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And Tibbs, you're fired.

See you.

You're fired.

See you, Tibbs.

That was the news that we had today.

Tom Thibodeau out as Nick's head coach after one of their best seasons in the last

25 years.

Is that Jay Wright's music?

I think I hear Jay Wright.

Do you think Jay Wright?

So here's the thing about Jay Wright.

He is a great, great college coach.

The guys that they have on the Knicks right now, I don't know that they would get along with Jay Wright.

I can't see that working.

Like Jalen Brunson, do you think that Jay Wright is capable of getting the best out of him after what we saw in these playoffs?

That's a good question.

I don't know.

Max?

Jay Wright to the Knicks?

In what world would that combination work, Max?

This is bad national sports podcasting.

This is the first name that everyone, he has as many connections to a team as you could possibly have outside of, which I would think it would be very funny if the Knicks just hired Rick Brunson to be their coach.

So outside Rick Brunson,

he has more connections, deeper connections than anyone else out there in the coaching pool.

Jay Wright as the Knicks head coach would be fantastic, Max.

He doesn't want to coach.

He doesn't want to coach?

He doesn't want to coach.

Why not?

He's retired.

He's retired from coaching.

I don't know how many times the guy has to say he's retired from coaching.

Oh, man.

People never change their mind.

I want it so bad now.

He's not.

I just watched the Brett Favre documentary the other day.

People changed their mind.

Yeah.

And people are scumbags, not Jay Wright.

No.

Yeah.

Oh, you know who would be a good fit, too, if we're just going to toss names out there?

Mm-hmm.

Petino.

Oh,

doesn't have to move.

Rick Petino.

Doesn't have to move.

Petino.

Petino, Petino, Petino.

It might be a lesson from Tibbs that maybe flying too close to the sun can be a bad thing.

Yeah.

Like,

they accomplished a lot this season, right?

It was a great season.

We established that on PMT, that this season was not a disappointment for the Knicks.

Nope.

But then you get that far, and then people start asking questions, is this the guy that can even get us farther?

Yeah.

Tibbs is also,

he's kind of like a Harbaugh.

He's a long-lost Harbaugh.

Brother, where he's just so obsessed with the sporty coaches and really more Jim, not John, because John's been there for

sorry, yeah, John's been there forever with the Ravens.

But remember when the 49ers and Jim Harbaugh split up?

And it was just like, this guy's a really good coach.

What's happening?

It's like, sometimes you just run out of gas here.

This happened to Tibbs in Chicago,

Minnesota, and now New York.

Minnesota, a little different.

Although people are making the joke that Kat has gotten him fired twice.

Very mean joke.

Yeah, very mean.

But yeah, maybe it's a run.

It's run its course kind of firing because Tom Thibodeau is

a basketball mastermind.

He is pushing his guys very hard.

He's so addicted to the game.

He was engaged to be married and broke it up six weeks before the marriage when he was like 24 and said, nah, honey, it's basketball.

And then he's never been engaged since.

Yeah.

So, I mean, this is what Tibbs does.

He will play starters.

He will play them long minutes.

He'll exhaust them.

And then he'll make people that are watching the game second-guess every small move that he makes because he very rarely does make these little tinkers to his lineup.

So when he does do something, then everyone's like, he's making the wrong choice.

And then you have to blow it up.

Uses his challenge too early.

I mean, we've said it a million times, but if you're a coach of a professional team,

you just can't mess up the small things because idiots like us sitting on the couch,

we can't tell you, oh, well, they should have run a different set in this situation, but we can tell you, hey, dumb challenge, dude.

How do you not have a timeout here?

Yeah, we're really good at watching sports on TV, which is something that you never do.

You don't watch your own games on TV as a coach.

You watch the film afterwards, but you miss a lot of the stuff that we see.

He's a great coach.

I don't know if he's going to coach next season.

He might just be an analyst.

He might be on TV somewhere.

TM on TV would be great.

Might have him doing a podcast.

I don't know, but this does feel like a move that the Knicks would make knowing that they've got a guy that they want.

Yeah, can I throw out something for Tibbs?

Maybe a trip to Turkey.

Maybe coach in Turkey.

Maybe a coach in Turkey, trip to Turkey, get the new hair, come back a different guy.

Is he going bald?

Just a little.

Like, I think it's one of those situations that if they catch it now,

it won't get bad.

Nobody will ever know that he was balding.

If he waits five years, it might be a situation where he does actually get bald.

Yeah, if you get the camera angle on TV from the stands that shows the bald spot, the tiny bald spot on the crown of his head,

that would be a bad look for him.

So I don't want it to get get to that place.

Memes, Knicks fan, how are we feeling?

Sad, happy, angry, Jay Wright, you pick.

Those are the emotions that any Knicks, those are pretty much the four.

You can be either sad, happy, angry, or Jay Wright.

I'm in the sad category.

Okay, not in the J Wright.

Will you get to the J Wright?

I'm moving towards the J Wright.

Okay, nice.

That's kind of how it goes.

Don't cry because it's over.

Smile because it happened.

Yeah, I mean, I do feel like Jay Wright is the perfect fit, right?

Yeah, yeah.

I would say so.

Fits like a nice tailored Italian suit.

It's a shame he doesn't want to coach anymore.

He is built for the bright lights in New York City.

Wouldn't you, as a Villanova fan, want to see him reunite with Villanova players?

Seriously.

I'm just saying he doesn't want to coach anymore.

Oh, you know what?

But would you be happy if you're speaking for him?

Coach for the Knicks.

Oh, wow.

Would you be happy?

Huh?

You'd be happy if you coached the Knicks?

He doesn't want to coach.

That was not the question.

Wow.

So Jay Wright can't even.

speak.

He wouldn't be happy if he was the coach for the Knicks.

No.

You know what?

I'm actually going to say Jay Wright probably shouldn't be the coach of the Knicks because Max is the one who has to talk for him.

Jay Wright can't even speak anymore.

Yeah, Max, where are you getting this information from?

From him.

This happens every single time there's a coaching vacancy.

Everyone screams Jay Wright.

Has it ever happened?

Every time I don't want to coach anymore.

Question, question.

Has it ever happened for a job where,

what, four of his, three of his players are flourishing in the professional league?

And also for a job that he has said on a certain little podcast named Pardon My Take that if he had to pick any job in the NBA, it would be the New York David.

Say that.

No, that's not waiting.

I didn't force him to say that.

He did.

No, we didn't.

Wait, is he not a grown up?

Play the clip.

Play the clip.

Play the clip.

Play the clip.

Put the clip in this podcast.

Pull up the clip.

He's smashing.

We didn't even do gun to his head.

No.

We didn't at all.

We didn't even have guns at that time in our career.

It was in New York.

We got guns.

I actually did have a gun

at that time.

You did have a gun.

I had an illegal gun to get him.

I forgot about your gun.

Yeah.

Okay.

This is using the game.

What NBA team would you like to coach?

Kind of kidding.

The Knicks.

Oh, the Knicks.

O.J.

Right to the Knicks.

Okay.

Passing Square Garvey.

He just said that he pulled that one out himself.

Mm-hmm.

All right.

Do you want to make a bet on this podcast?

No.

I don't like to gamble.

That's what I thought.

I would make a bet.

Soul Patch.

No.

Oh, so

you already have a Soul Patch.

Put your money where your mouth is, Max.

Put the money where the mouth is.

Max is a bitch.

Either way, we're ready for the finals.

I'm ready for the finals to start.

I am too.

I am too.

It does.

I feel bad.

I don't feel bad for Pacers fans.

You've got a great team.

You're in the finals.

What a year for you so far.

But it does seem like everyone's just taking a giant dump on the Pacers before the series gets started.

Yeah, it's hard.

The Thunder are just so good.

It's not like a dump on the Pacers.

It's more the Thunder are so good.

Yeah.

Hank, you picked

on this podcast.

Yeah.

Are you going to pick the Pacers?

Nah.

I know.

That's kind of how I...

The way you said that.

is exactly how I feel where it's like, I've enjoyed watching the Pacers so much this run,

and I want to pick them, but goddammit, the Thunder are so good.

Feels like the Celtics series last year, except the

Mavericks were better than the Pacers.

Like, people were a little bit higher on the Mavericks.

Were the Thunder better than the Celtics last year?

This Thunder, those Celtics.

No, no, no.

But it'd be cool.

It'd be a good matchup.

It'd be a good matchup.

It'd be a good matchup.

It'd be a good matchup.

I almost got him going back to Guy Forgotten.

You know who this thought about it for a second.

Great team reminds me of is the Celtics.

Is that wrong, though?

I'm going to allow you to say it.

You had a great team last year.

I don't know.

The Pacers are really good.

That's what I'm saying.

People, you know, Luca Dan,

there was some hype for the Mavs.

They got blown out.

I feel like

there's less hype for the Pacers.

It's just going to be.

They might win one.

Big Boy's going to be a good one.

They're going to lose five.

Yeah.

Is a gentleman sweep if they win the third game of the series?

The fourth game?

No, they win the fourth game of the series, so it goes 3-1.

I always thought, well, gentlemen's sweep is 4-1 overall.

4-1 overall.

But I always thought it was the

whatever, whichever one it's the home team kills them first two games, go back to the

other arena.

They give up the third game or fourth game, one or the other, and then it's over.

I think by the letter of the law, it's the fourth game.

It is, okay.

But I feel very comfortable saying it's the the third game, too.

Yeah.

Either one.

One of those games where it's like,

I consider the Thunder gentleman sweep, they

gentlemanly swept the Timberwolves.

Yeah.

That felt like a gentleman's sweep.

Yeah, I think it's, I might put money on

a five-game series.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Pacers in five?

I would be good.

Pacers in five.

I might go both.

Yeah.

Gentleman sweep one.

Just end it in five?

I might parlay it.

Both of them.

No.

I think.

What about the Mount Rushmore parlay?

Just both teams sweep.

Yeah.

Just getting to Mount Rushmore season as fast as possible.

See, that's why I want this series to...

I want sports to keep going for as long as possible.

I know baseball is here.

Baseball is very long.

Talk baseball.

But it does feel like, you know, when you have the NBA and the NHL going, to me, it also kind of feels still like an extenuation of the NFL and football season because they overlapped.

Yeah.

So once we get done with this, then we've really turned the page.

No man's land.

Yeah.

Waiting for it.

Thunder and six.

That's my official.

I got Thunder and Five.

Thunder and five.

What do you got, Hank?

Thunder and five.

Max, what do you have?

Thunder, Pacers, or Jay Wright?

Not Jay Wright.

I have Pacers and seven.

Pacers and seven?

Why do you hate the notion of your favorite coach ever getting a job?

With some of your favorite players.

I can't.

I don't understand.

It's crazy.

He said he doesn't want to coach anymore.

No, but I'm not talking about that.

I'm talking about why you hate the idea of your all-time favorite guy making money.

You don't want him to be happy.

Right now, he's happy.

I want him to be happy.

He's happy with his life.

I want to be as happy as hell.

I want to be.

Right now he's happy.

Okay, let's say we're in a world where Jay Wright absolutely

would love this Knicks job.

It would make him so happy.

But it wouldn't.

But what if it did?

What if it made him so happy?

It wouldn't.

It wouldn't.

Like, so happy.

He would just come back to coach for Villanova at the same time?

Sure.

If that were the case.

If he could be the Nova and the Knicks coach at the same time.

Wait, but you wouldn't want him to come back to Villanova because he's happy, right?

Yeah, because you wouldn't want.

Yeah, you wouldn't want him to coach him.

No, but then he wouldn't have to move.

He'd have to move to New York.

That's a whole thing.

It's a whole thing.

So far.

So far.

Yeah, no.

Who would do that?

Yeah.

So far.

He posted a picture at a bar, at a nice little music bar in my hometown on Sunday.

He's happy.

So here's a guy that lives near Philly.

He likes going out drinking with the boys.

And you think, in no world, would somebody that lives in that town that likes to drink ever move to New York, Max?

He likes, he's happy.

He's happy where he is.

He's happy.

You guys don't want him to be happy.

By the way, for game one on Thursday night, we do do have a parlay we're going to put up.

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Okay.

Love that pick.

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Love that one.

Big Cat has Chet over 27.5.

Points, rebounds, assist.

Great pick.

I think it's going to be a big change.

And then Max Delente has Siakam over 19.5 points.

Oh.

That will be a plus 1,200 parlay.

Oh, spicy pick.

So, boys, let's get spicy.

Let's get spicy.

And we're going to talk hockey with Jens.

I had a couple other things before we do Hot C Cool Chill thrown.

Should we be worried about C.J.

Stroud?

So he's not throwing at OTAs.

That's

his arm sore.

He plays quarterback.

He plays quarterback.

That's his job to throw.

Yep.

I'm not worried about him yet.

Okay.

But I am worried that I might end up worried about him.

Okay.

He's pre-worried.

I'm worried that I'm going to be worried about him.

Yeah.

I think they call that anxiety.

It's weird, right?

It's weird.

Did this come out of kind of nowhere?

Okay.

Get a surgery?

Do we have a surgery?

If I were C.J.

Stroud, what I would do is I would talk to the coaching staff and be like, hey, my arm is still kind of fucked up right now.

Can I just not be at OTAs?

And you'll say it's excused.

That way we won't have to answer any questions about whether or not I can throw.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah.

That makes perfect sense.

I don't know.

Maybe he needs to just go to Egypt.

Just in general, like Aaron Rodgers did?

Yeah.

Just check out the pyramids?

Yeah, because you don't have to throw when you're in Egypt.

That's a good point.

Yeah, I am.

I'm definitely anxious about it.

If I was a Texans fan, I would be worried.

Yeah.

I would be.

You're not.

You want your quarterback to be able to throw.

Ideally.

Yep.

Yep.

We also had Frank Ragnow retired for the Lions.

Big, big loss for them.

He was 29.

He was an awesome, awesome player.

Feels like he was at a point where just the injuries and

just getting up for the season, like reading his letter, he's just like, I wanted to play, but I just couldn't get there physically.

I feel like he probably kept the Lions informed about this.

I don't think that they were super, they're obviously not excited that he's retiring, but I don't think that this was like a shot out of the blue.

Right.

But it sucks for the Lions.

That's a big piece of their offensive line.

He's a great player.

Yeah.

Oh, Max pulled it up.

There's no concerns with CJ, said Texans head coach D'Amico Ryans.

It's just General Soreness.

We're taking every precaution with him, but he'll it'll be good to go.

No concerns on my end there.

General Soreness, how old is he?

Like 24.

Buddy, you're 24.

You don't know about General Soreness.

No, I live with General Soreness.

That'll be my rank in the military.

He went from Lieutenant Soreness to General Sorensen.

Five stars.

Yeah.

The double no concern from D'Amico Ryans makes me concerned.

Not worried, yeah.

Saying not worried repeatedly.

And he said there's no concerns with CJ, no concerns on my end there.

Let me ask you this, big cat.

If you were to redraft that NFL draft right now, you're taking Bryce first overall, knowing that he's dealing with general soreness.

Is Bryce Young throwing from in OTAs?

I think so.

Okay.

You could call it throw.

Whatever he does.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's doing that.

Okay.

Start the debate.

Await.

Redraft.

We got a OTA footage showing big film.

Can I say something about the X, the Edressing app?

It's all happening on X?

Yeah, because free speech is back.

The search function is dog shit.

It's pretty bad.

Oh my God, I'll look for something and it will just be a completely different thing from years ago.

Yeah.

You can look for something you know exactly what it is and type it in and it still won't appear.

I can look for something on there and it will be like a highlight, like a sports highlight.

And then in the third option for what comes up, it's just a Nazi.

Mm-hmm.

It's crazy.

Or someone like a

Russian soldier getting hit by a drone.

Yeah.

Did you see those drones, by the way?

Yes.

I saw those drones.

Damn.

Saw those drones.

Crazy shit.

$3 billion in damage.

Okay, so C.J.

Stroud is throwing in OTAs.

Price Yannis.

Price Yannis.

Sorry.

And did you see that spiral?

That was sick.

That looks pretty good.

People are asking the question.

Dude.

OTAs are awesome.

Hank.

Yeah.

Your boy,

Stefan Diggs at OTAs.

Yep.

He's on my cool throne.

Okay, we can get to it.

Love.

Well, no, love, just more outside of the OTAs, but he looks good at OTAs for a guy that tours ACL.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Everyone looks good at OTAs.

And he's got, you know.

It would be awesome.

He's locked down.

If you had someone who's just like, love his back.

Their beat was just...

This guy sucks at OTAs.

Yeah.

Like, I watch all the OTAs, and he's garbage.

He's got no for the goal line, this guy.

They did a drill with no defenders.

He's dog shit.

Yeah, I mean, you don't hear that from OTAs very often.

Look at these clips of Diggs.

He's catching everything.

Balls, gonorrhea.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Cardi's your girl.

Are you jealous?

Are you jealous?

It's the other girls.

Those little bitties, they had the clap.

But he is their Instagram official now.

No,

that's a Instagram official?

Yeah.

Look at that.

That's good.

That's beautiful.

It worked.

Yeah.

The strategy worked.

It did work.

Please stop showing the video to Tucson.

It's making, it's giving me flashbacks.

Tussie.

I want to go back to to Panama.

Tucsie.

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Hank, what is your hot seat chill thrown thanks to body arm?

My hot seat is Magnus Carlson.

Yes.

He lost to current world champion.

Oh, he's got it.

He's giving us some chill throne.

Oh, nice.

Love some electrolytes.

He lost to current world champion who basically he's like Prince.

He just has one name.

Yep.

Jukish.

Jukish?

Jukish.

And then he had a, in chess, this is chess, obviously, for

aware of who Magnus Carlson is.

He was chess prodigy.

Lost to Jukish.

Wait, wait, wait.

You kind of glossed that over.

He's not just a chess prodigy.

He's the good prodigy.

He is the best chess player of all time.

Yeah.

And better than Bobby Fisher?

Yeah, by the ELO numbers.

Oh.

Yeah.

What about the girl from that documentary?

Queens Gambit.

What's her name?

Queen's Gamut?

Anya, what's her name?

Queen's Gamut.

Anya Taylor.

She was good.

I mean, especially in a time when they didn't let women into Russia, that was impressive.

Yeah.

But Magnus Carlson is, I think, by the stats, the greatest chess player of all time, while also being the bad boy of chess.

Yeah.

Bad boy of chess.

He got banned from jeans.

Jeans wearing, right?

Yeah.

They lifted the ban

because he was wearing jeans.

Because of the anal beads?

That's different.

That wasn't that different guy.

He was puzzled.

I think he beat Magnus.

This is some good chess talk.

But he lost to Jukish and then a violent, violent outburst, slammed the table,

went super viral.

So everyone's talking about it.

So he's on the, you know, he's the greatest chess player of all time, according to PFT.

But everyone's talking about how he lost.

Yeah.

He had a blunder.

So he's.

No,

video.

Oh, he lost again.

He lost again.

Oh, he blundered again?

The same guy?

Are you sure that's new?

No, we wins.

We wins.

No, it's Wii Yi

one.

Oh, no, Magnus.

He blundered.

Bluntman tweeted 24 minutes ago.

He was Oh, no, Magnus.

And it's a new video.

He tweeted a video.

Again, he's washed.

Should we get Bluntman?

When did that video come out?

Yeah, he knows chess.

I want to know.

So

the other one was...

I guess he blundered and he knew he blundered and he just had a slow death of like 10.

Did you guys see the extended cut of the clip where there was a full crowd there?

No, I didn't see it.

So funny.

Can we pull that up?

We're now, Zach, this is a big moment for you.

Find us Magnus.

I don't think the search is going to work.

I don't think this is going to work.

Oh, no, it's the other angle.

It's on the other side.

He did lose again.

He lost again?

Doesn't have it.

He's breaking moves.

He lost again.

You know what's crazy about chess is like the grandmasters, the people that compete in these top-of-the-line tournaments, you know how much weight they lose during a tournament?

How much?

They lose like 15 pounds over the course of a tournament just because their bodies burn calories because they're so stressed out during the matches.

I believe it.

They just sweat the brain.

I believe it.

I'm going to get this clip for you.

Don't you worry, Zach.

We kind of put you on the hot seat, not the chill throne here.

Also, Max taking him a long time to get out there, right?

I think he stopped by the bathroom.

He definitely stopped by and grabbed some food.

If he comes back with Cheeto fingers,

he's eating on the John right now.

All that Jay Wright talk.

I got to shit this bad energy out of my system.

Okay, let me find it.

Wait, so Magnus lost again.

And

Bluntman's coming in to tell us what happened because this is crazy, I guess.

He's supposed supposed to be the best, and he keeps fucking losing.

I'm going to say right now, Magnus, not the best.

Because I have been watching chess religiously for almost

48 hours now, and all I've seen is Magnus loss.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

Beth Harmon.

That was her name.

Goat.

That's what they do, though.

Beth Harmon.

Yeah.

They whisper your successes and they shout your failures.

That's a fact.

Facts.

That's a fact.

So you're going to see clips of Magnus losing because it's a big deal when Magnus loses.

And guess what?

He's a bad loser.

You show me a good loser.

I'll show you a loser.

Really bad loser.

All right, Max, I sent you the clip.

So play that clip.

Play like halfway through.

So the best part about this is that

I didn't realize it when the clip was going viral.

There was a full crowd there and they

didn't know when to like clap.

And then after all Magnus like, you know...

kind of freaked out

they they did finally clap but it was funny because i i assumed no one was in the room when they were doing this.

I thought chess was played in private.

Apparently, there's it's not.

Yeah, no, it's a spectator sport.

Go for it in the clip.

Max, maybe give us some audio, too.

Okay, so this is Magnus.

He's gonna make this move.

Oh, nope, bad move.

And Magnus makes another move.

I don't know.

Oh, no, got him.

Oh, oh, my God.

That reminded me of that.

Remember that Vikings fan video?

Yeah.

Oh,

boy.

This guy almost feels bad that he just beat him.

Yeah.

He kind of Magnus kind of stole this guy's moment.

Ready?

Oh, it just brought us what to do.

Yeah.

Right?

Like, uh, what do we do?

What do we do?

Yeah, he feels bad that he beat him.

There's just a bunch of people.

Magnus was so like demonstrative with his losing,

the crowd didn't know to clap or not.

I'm just going to say it.

I think Magnus is going to come back stronger.

I think he's washed.

I literally am.

He has never won a chess match as far as I know.

This is a man that's going to, he's going to be studying the film on this, and you're going to wish that you never beat Magnus.

Do they just tie a bunch?

Yeah, there's a bunch of ties, a bunch of draws.

Yeah.

Because I was going to say, like, if you're that good at chess, you should never get beat.

So they also score how good of a chess player you are based on what the perfect move would be at any given time.

Because let's be real, AI is the best chess player ever.

Alan Iverson?

Alan Iverson, really good crossover with his rooks, yeah.

What do you got, Max?

Bluttman left, but I do have him on the phone right now, and he is giving an explanation.

All right, tell us, Bluttman.

Explain what happened today.

You're live to tape.

You're live to tape on part of my take.

Can you hear me?

I'm in the elevator.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, I can hear you.

Oh, jeez, crazy.

We needed Bluttman live from the elevator.

He's just lying.

That's a smoke detector.

Oh, we may have lost him.

Yeah, we lost him.

I mean, I told him that I was going on the table.

The fact that he went in the elevator when I told him that he was about to come on is.

That is a crazy move.

Great chess recap.

Yeah.

Well, okay.

He gave me the recap.

Do you want me to give you the recap?

Yeah, give us a moment.

This is Bluttman from an elevator to Max.

Yeah.

Max here.

Oh.

And that's it.

Yeah, there's just a lot of stuff.

I don't know.

He lost again today, and the guy that beat him also lost today.

Oh, okay.

So he washed.

Well, maybe.

And that wasn't really a recap.

That's a recap.

You literally just saw the bracket.

But if he didn't lose yesterday, would he have lost today?

See, these sounds like these.

I want to lost

that.

I also want to know how did he lose?

Like the one that went viral on Sunday.

All right, he's calling me back.

It felt like he was, he lost

Bluttman.

Blutman.

You got to do it.

How did he lose?

Is that the question?

Yeah.

Was it embarrassing?

Was it embarrassing?

Magnus blundered today.

He couldn't believe it.

He made a weird, like, shaking of the head after he blundered today.

What did he blunder?

What did he blunder?

I gotta be honest.

I have no clue.

This is our chess expert.

Ask him if chess is ball.

did you hear that question yeah it's chess ball chess is ball it's a subdivision involved it's in the brains category of sports

okay okay okay you have like chess backgammon checkers that's all in the brains category the smart stuff can you ask him if jukish is a chess notch is he the goat no jukish lost today so yeah who's the goat now so yeah who's the goat of chess now

the goat of chess is magnus no he still is the goats lose sometimes they're getting upset with you He's only lost.

How could they possibly be getting upset?

Magnus is the goat of chess.

He's been world number one since 2011.

Well, he loses all the time.

He just keeps losing.

When was the last time he lost before this?

When was the last time he lost, Bluntman?

Wait, can you hear all this?

The butthole guy.

I can only hear this.

No, it's the Queen's Gambit.

Okay.

When was the last time he lost?

Well, he lost today.

No, before today.

Sunday.

Two days ago.

Okay,

before that.

God damn it.

I only am cognizant about the world of chess when I see like these big tournaments going on.

I'm like, ooh, that's kind of fun to see.

Because I like the chess beeps and the chess overreactions are some of the funniest things to me.

Yes.

All right.

So he's not really a chess expert.

This was the worst chess

recap.

This is going to be way too chess.

Yeah.

All right.

Thanks, Budman.

Like, remember a few months ago?

Nope.

No.

We don't remember.

We don't remember any of them.

Okay.

Oh, yeah.

He's talking about the jeans.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

We're done with chess talk.

Thank you, Bluntman.

Okay, thanks.

Bye.

I mean, we're...

Dude, Lowes is non-stop.

I feel confident in my take saying he sucks.

No one can show me anything else.

All right.

Okay, you know who's a loser?

Is this Jukish guy?

Why?

Here was.

Well, no, he beat Magnus.

But here was his quote.

You tell me if this is a quote from a loser or a winner.

Okay.

He called it his lucky lucky day.

It was just clearly lost, so I was just trying to make moves which are tricky for him, and luckily he got into time scramble.

99 times out of 100, I would lose.

Just a lucky day.

It's kind of cocky.

First classical win against Magnus.

I mean, not the way I wanted it to be, but okay, I'll take it.

So it sounded like Magnus won.

Magnus lost on time.

Father Time is undefeated.

I don't know if he's a loser.

He's just, he sounds like someone who got lucky.

It's kind of sick.

Like an honest person.

Yeah, he's just like, yeah, dude, I'm not that good.

Magnus is...

That really just shows you how bad Magnus is now.

He's got guys winning on luck.

You don't win on luck in chess.

Not my chess.

All right, your chill throne?

My chill throne is what I love.

Cardi Bean and Stefan.

Instagram official.

That's huge.

Right for the season.

Don't have to worry about.

Outside activities.

They'll probably just hang out, you know, watch movies together at night.

Get well rested.

Super chill.

And the snack rap.

Snack wrap.

Yes.

There's on mine as well.

Snaprap.

Snap rap is.

Snack rap is back.

Do you have it?

Snack wrap is back.

Snack wrap is back.

Did Jerry have something to do with this?

Yeah.

They put it in their video, and then I think one of their directors of marketing said his tweet, his original tweet from a few years ago, was in a lot of their slides and all these meetings.

Oh, hell yeah.

Snackrap's elite.

Shout out to Jersey Jerry.

Yeah.

Popeyes is doing snack rap too with the spicy chicken.

Snack wrap needs to be back.

Yeah, it's true.

It's double back.

Yeah.

Yeah, someone from Console says your tweet has been in many slides in many meetings.

Thank you for pushing us.

You won.

See you July 10th for snack wrap.

Hell yeah.

They got to give you a free snack rap, right?

At least, yeah.

He's got to.

Yeah, his tweet was from 2022.

I know I'm not the only one.

Do the right thing for the people.

We miss the snack wrap, all of us.

He's right.

We do.

We all miss it.

Okay.

Good job, Hank.

Thanks.

PITT.

My hot seat is,

unfortunately, Max Homo.

Although Max put up a great performance, so he competed in the U.S.

Open qualification process to get into the tournament.

He carried his own bag, and the longest day of golf, is that what they call it, Hank?

Yeah, the longest day of golf.

Hank, golf's longest day?

Yep.

Which is how many holes?

36.

36, which is how many rounds?

Two.

Okay.

Nice.

Max was playing to qualify for the U.S.

Open.

Also, in his qualification group, the group that was playing in Columbus, it was just, it looked like a PGA leaderboard.

It was like Ricky Fowler was there, Cam Young was there, a lot of great players.

Max unfortunately lost in a playoff, but I did like seeing Max carry his own bag.

But it was weird watching him wear shorts.

Yeah.

I think he should have worn pants.

Now he's going to find a new caddy, too.

That's right.

So he fired his most recent Caddy.

Okay, so who's he on?

I believe.

Who's out there?

Who's available?

I don't know.

Bones?

Bones?

Jersey Jerry.

Hank?

No, Hank's spoken for.

Hank is spoken for.

I'm pretty sure.

Did he not split?

Yeah, he split with his caddy Billy Hark.

Bill Hark.

Okay, well, listen, just a minor setback for a major comeback.

We're going to rebuild.

Yep.

He did show a lot of grit out there carrying his own bag.

I like the format of the U.S.

Open where you can compete and anybody off the street can

get to it.

It's very awesome.

And they did like a...

He was a high school kid that got in.

Really?

Yeah.

That's sick.

He's just like 18 under in two rounds.

Holy shit.

Now, are you keeping your own score?

Yeah, always.

There was a kid.

There was a kid

who finished his first round.

He did well.

He's like a truck driver.

He went to go,

he like him and his dad went down and got a bite to eat.

Forgot to turn his scorecard in.

By the time he realized it, went to turn his scorecard in, the group behind him had turned theirs in, so he got disqualified.

Didn't get to play the second round.

That's bullshit.

Yeah, so yeah, the scorekeeping is very, very important.

Is there any also don't you just hate that type of bullshit with golf?

I kind of like it.

I also

forgetting to turn your scorecards a wild move.

He's a truck.

Yeah.

But that's just a wild move.

Like, you have to turn.

Yeah,

that was Monday.

I think the Twitter account's Monday QINFO.

The guy just tracks all this stuff, but there were some jokes in the replies being like, you know, you would think as a truck driver, they would understand how to get packages packages to places on time.

But that's some good humor.

That's some good edge humor.

It's a little edgy, but wow.

He was just, you know, he got swept up in the moment.

And he said he was eating like 200 feet away from the scorer's place.

He just slipped his mind.

Max Homer will have Lance Bennett.

All right.

What do we know about this Lance Bennett guy?

He's a fucking stud.

I love him.

Yeah.

You're scoring home shit.

Yeah, he's a stud.

We're ready to go.

Oh, he was on Colin Moore Cow's bag.

Nope.

No.

Nope.

No?

Nope.

Bennett was working for Michael Thorbergenson, but Thor hired JJ Jakovich

as his full-time

swing caddy.

If you're scoring at home, JJ had been on Colin Morakawa's bag until Joe Greenier left Max for him.

What's a swing caddy?

You're Hank.

It's Hank for you.

Yeah, no, Hank's CEO of Golf Operations.

Oh, hell yes.

We're putting together staff.

Yeah.

We're doing a series of mergers right now.

Love it.

Are you your children?

Max is director of nutrition.

Nice.

Can I get a spot?

Yeah, do you want to be director of Intimidation?

Sure.

For PFT Golf Interpretation.

Oh, actually, yeah, yeah, I could do that.

Yeah, I figured that.

Shit-talking?

Yeah, shit-talking.

Yeah,

compiling dossiers on everybody that I'm competing against.

I'm in.

I'm in.

Get in their heads?

100%.

Okay.

Memes, your director of memes.

Zach, your director of Tuesie.

If If you can get me Tucsi,

I can win this whole fucking thing.

And then I'm buying a million dollars worth of Tucsie.

We'll see what we can do for you on that.

All right.

Okay.

I got you.

All right.

All right.

Love that.

You're on my Tucsi team.

He just delivered you Tussie.

Yeah.

And you've done a great job with the ice cream.

So

we'll find out.

So do you want a Tussie topping?

No, this is a good question.

I think Tucsie is the top.

Oh, for the ice cream.

Yeah, for the ice cream.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'd like it.

Yeah, yeah.

Surprise us with that.

Yeah.

And then my chill throne.

My chill throne is being romantic about baseball.

So

I want to confess something to you guys.

I went to the Cubs game on Saturday, and

I felt very romantic about baseball.

Lovely.

But then I feel guilty about being romantic about the Cubs.

Well, we're playing right now.

I know.

But what I realized, and this was all subconscious, I went home that day.

I watched the Nats play, watched the entire game.

Then on Sunday, I watched the entire Nats game.

And also Sunday morning, I bought a shitload of Nats merchandise.

Hell yes.

Any weird stuff?

I don't buy strange

patterns, yeah.

That is a sick hat.

But thank you.

I realized after the fact, after I did all that stuff, I think I had a guilty conscience.

Of falling in love.

But you fell in love with baseball.

Of like really enjoying myself at Wrigley Field.

No, but what you did was basically you went to a strip club and then you went home and like fucked the shit out of your significant other.

Right, so I went home and then I may have subconsciously, and I actually do think I subconsciously purchased all these things because I felt bad and guilty.

That hat is sick.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

Yeah, but

I think I can love watching the Cubs play at Wrigley Field.

Yeah, right.

So it's going to a game is the best.

Okay.

It's a great song at the end.

Yeah.

Fantastic song.

Are you talking about the seventh inning stretch?

No, you're talking about going.

Go Cubs, go.

Go Pugsco.

Go Pugsco.

Go Pugs Go.

Go to Chicago.

What do you say?

Oh, Oh, the Pope is from the USA.

A lot of Pope merchandise at Wrigley Field.

I bought one for White Sox, Dave.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah, it said

Not Even Pope Leo could save the socks.

I like that.

He begrudgingly accepted it, and I was like, dude, I'm not actually making you wear this.

I also think that just Wrigley Field has the

best merchandise.

For advertising the game and the field, like people wearing the shirts that just have the clock that says 120 on it.

Like, there's nothing like going to a 120 game.

Now, I want to make if you're a national and you're listening to this,

you're my main bitch, right?

I'm never going to leave you.

I'm very excited about what the future has for us.

We got a great young team, but I did feel

I felt like when the Cubs scored a run, I got excited.

I was like, yes, this is good.

I was at

Root Roof for the home team.

I was at

Saturday and Sunday, I was at Wrigley.

So Saturday was the game you went to, right?

Yep.

It was also...

Maybe the best weather possible.

That might have had

it was not a cloud in the sky, 63 degrees in the, like that perfect mix of in the sun, you're warm, in the in the shade, you're a little cool.

Oh, yeah, memes went.

I took memes on Saturday to his first Cubs game.

That's adorable.

Yeah, he didn't wear a hat.

I do think this, it was jarring.

The weather had a ton to do with it, probably.

Yes, I got free hot dogs to shout out the hot dog concession guy.

Well, oh, that's sick.

Yeah, so he actually said, Can I get a shout-out on part of my take for giving you these free hot dogs?

And I was like, I don't know.

He goes, Yeah, you're right.

That's probably asking too much.

No, but then I did it.

There you go.

No, it's like you ever go on vacation somewhere.

And if the weather is perfect, you're just like, I could live here.

Oh, yeah.

Any nice day, you're just like, yeah, this is the best place ever.

If the weather's in the 70s or 80s,

I hop on Zillow.

Yeah.

And I'm like, maybe I'll just buy a house here in all this great weather.

Yeah.

That will do it for you.

Okay.

My hot seat is

Saquon Barkley.

Because he needed a harness to get on the Madden cover.

Oh, I thought you were going to say Madden Curse.

Yeah, well, that too, but he needed a harness to do the jump over a player thing.

So he actually can't do that move in real life.

Correct.

Yeah.

He did do that move in real life.

He needed a harness.

People forget he almost got hurt because of that move.

Yeah.

People forget Coach Girani didn't want him to do that.

Actually, probably kids at home got really hurt trying to recreate that.

J-Wright doesn't even like coaching anymore.

My child thrown.

I got a couple.

Versus Hank.

The kangaroo got on the plane.

Yep.

Did you see that video?

I did not see that.

The kangaroo has made, he finally was able to board, and he's on the plane.

Okay, so it was a real kangaroo.

It was a real kangaroo.

And he was tucked in perfectly, sitting, minding his own business in the middle seat

with a seatbelt on.

That kangaroo, way to go, Hank.

I was happy.

I was happy for the kangaroo.

And the woman who's, you know, it was the emotional support kangaroo.

Yeah.

She was now okay.

Yeah.

Now, did they check its pouch?

Look at that.

PFT seat.

No, it wasn't a middle seat.

It was aisle seat.

Did they have my mistake?

Did you check its pouch when it went through TSA?

It better have.

Look at kangaroos eating.

Are those peanuts?

That's illegal on a plane.

Uh-oh.

Yeah, no, that's why I think this video might be fake is because

there's so many peanut allergies.

They won't let you do that anymore.

Yeah.

I'm just eating more peanuts, Royal.

It's fantastic.

Other cool throne.

We talked about Cal Raleigh on Monday and how awesome he is, and he should be considered for the MVP.

A listener hit us up, PFT, and said, this is from Sacman 8.

He said, long time listener, first time caller, thank you for showing the nerves.

I guess that's what they call the Mariners.

The NERS?

You just say Mariners.

You can just say Mariners.

Some of the SERS for the Pacers?

Yeah, the Nerves.

Some love on today's show.

Wanted to let you know some of us, Cal Rowley's dump fans, have been saying, Big Dumpy go poo-poo every time he goes yard.

I fucking love that.

I mean,

just texting your boys, Big Dumpy just went poo-poo.

Big Dumpy go poo-poo.

And my other cool throne is Max, our Max, because he made the catch of the summer with the hot dog.

For people who missed it, we got a hot dog stuck in the ceiling at Barcelona HQ Chicago.

And it took us an hour and a half to get it out.

And Max caught it and ate it.

Yeah.

So you just opened up his buns and the meat slid right in.

Yeah.

I took a bite.

The video of Max, can we put it in the YouTube of Max running around, just

like if you take all context out of what happened,

Max doing a lap holding a hot dog.

He's the most special boy we got.

That's all I'll say.

He's a special, special boy.

The butt crack came out.

Yeah.

No.

Yeah.

Do this video.

If you just started the video when Max, when Max caught it, yeah, the butt crack did come out.

Just when Max catches it, it's a special, special video of him just look at him.

Everyone cheers.

He's like, I got a hot dog.

I got a hot dog.

Good job, Max.

You got a hot dog.

He's just showing everyone, like, look, see?

Hot dog.

It looks like he's running like a baton race at the food Olympics.

Yeah.

It's like

when they let the old guy at the spring football game score a touchdown.

Hair looks great, though, Max.

Yeah.

Hair looks great.

Shout out, Joel.

Yeah, no, it was a special day in the office yesterday.

It was.

It was a special day at the office.

I felt like a very special boy.

And someone sent you a drink at dinner because of it?

I don't know if that was true, but I did get sent a drink.

Oh, it had to have been damn damn damn.

It had to have been that.

It had to have been that.

Had to have.

Yeah, absolutely.

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It is Ryan Rosillo, the Ryan Rosillo podcast.

He is the number one ball knower in the world.

And we have you on to talk about the NBA Finals, but we got gifted with a news breaking an hour ago.

Tom Thibodeau out.

With the New York Knicks.

So let's start there.

I want to say not shocking because this is kind of how it goes with Tibbs, where you can kind of feel the C changing on him and he gets them to a level and then it's like, all right, he can't get us to that next level.

But I'll say a little shocking because Jalen Brunson just did a press conference where he was like, I love him.

Were you shocked at all?

No, I wasn't.

You were hearing about this a little bit.

I mean, we can talk about whether or not we're shocked based on, you know, this next season, it's tough because you're playing the Pacers, you beat Boston, you think you have a chance against the Pacers.

I still thought they had a chance against them, even though I picked the Pacers.

You know, and if you take a step back and not get emotional about it the next morning, you look at this Knicks season and you're like, all right, this team hadn't been to the Easter Conference Finals in 25 years.

I mean, there's a Knicks conversation about this team winning a title before I was even born, where you're like, man, we talk about this team a lot.

Although you probably say the same thing about the Red Sox prior to 2004, where you're like, you know, there's a lot of Knicks conversation.

There's just a handful of teams that have had a better run for a really long time.

Most wins, I think, since 2013, they take out Boston.

And, you know, look, Tatum went down in game four, but they were up, what, nine and 11 points three minutes ago.

So they're probably going to win that game anyway.

And that's a huge, huge statement.

And I think on the whole, you have to feel really good about who the Knicks were this year in comparison to who they've been.

But there was definitely a lot of lingering stuff.

And even the last two days, you were just hearing like he's out.

Bill had mentioned it on the pod where he thought he'd be out.

I was actually at a lunch yesterday where like, yeah, he's probably done.

And the thing that sucks is I'll tell you, in all the years I've spent getting the chance to talk to people about basketball, whether it's front office people, the last 25 years working with all these different coaches when I was at ESPN and we'd be in the same room together and I'd be doing like maybe late night TV or something.

Tibbs is without question the most impressive single person I've ever talked to about basketball.

Like he made me after five minutes go like, holy shit, do I not know anything?

Like I've been watching this game a long time and he is so incredibly impressive.

I think there's absolute buy-in.

There's kind of like a toughness resetting that he brings when he comes into the franchise.

But you're right, big cat.

It seems to run its course.

And, you know, the minute stuff, I don't really think it's as egregious this year.

I thought that Bulls run where it looked like Joachim couldn't even make it up the floor and you're like, dude, you're wearing these guys down.

It just seems to be, look, I think the NBA, that's the job.

I don't even know whether it's specific to Tibbs.

I think it's the job where it is very hard to get everyone to keep listening to you after you've had this job four or five years.

So, I mean, there's some other basketball stuff we get into, why they got away from the Cat Brunson combo stuff.

There was a defensive adjustment to Kat, the team started doing, playing with smaller guys.

You could get on his ass for like, why did you start going to bench guys that you had buried for such a long stretch of the year?

But, you know, that part always frustrates me.

The coach does something different and then you lose.

And then it means the coach is a moron.

And it's like, well, you know, would you rather lose without any adjustments or attempt at anything and putting Mitchell Robinson in the starting lineup?

So I feel bad for him because I know how smart he is, and I think he's a terrific coach, but it's very hard in this job to have it longer than five games.

Yeah, it is the league.

The longest outside of Eric Spolstra and Steve Kerr, who is the longest tenured coach now that Tibbs has been fired?

Finch?

It's actually Billy Donovan.

All right.

Which speaks to how crazy, you know what I mean?

Like, that doesn't, Billy Donovan feels relatively new still with the Bulls.

And it's like, this is just how it goes.

Guys, guys go in and out very quickly.

Oh, no, it's nuts.

Like, whenever you look at the Wikipedia page for this, you'll have half the coaches in the league.

Like, I'm doing it right now.

Like, Will Hardy is already on the longer side of the 10-year run with jazz.

Okay.

Missoula's like in the middle of the pack.

So if I were going to run through it really quickly here, I think more than half the coaches are hired from 2023 on.

So you're totally right.

I mean, it's, it's a nearly impossible job.

And, you know, I don't know if you can talk about like, I was talking with somebody about it, and they were talking about like the money, right?

It was a really funny line because he said to me, he's like, you cannot even be good and make $10 million a year now.

You don't even have to be that good.

And you might get 10 million a year on a multi-year contract.

But we've been having that conversation for decades.

It's like, oh, the players make all this money and now they're not going to listen to the coaches.

So that's not necessarily anything new.

I just, it's a bit like the roommate theory.

It's really hard to have a roommate

where, if you think of all the people you've lived with in your life, like, how many guys did you get to know that you loved versus how many guys you get to know that you hated?

Right, after living for a couple of years.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So,

so what do the do the sons pick up the phone now?

Are they like, hey, I know that we had it down to two?

That would be a very funny fit, Tibbs out in Phoenix.

Yeah, it would be.

I mean, they're running through them.

You know,

You know, Monty and that whole thing changed post-Chris Paul and the changes they wanted to make.

And then you have Vogel, who is a really good coach.

But, you know, the Lakers thing, they move on from him so quickly that you're kind of like, all right, the guy just won a title there, and now he's the problem.

But look,

it's pretty clear.

Look, I give him all the credit for the bubble one.

No, not us.

That's fine.

Oh, Ryan, we did a bad job introducing you.

Congratulations.

Chris Paul played entire season.

Oh, yeah.

I'll be sure to let Chris know.

Vindication.

Yeah, that he was acknowledged for this.

I can't wait.

I can't wait to see what's next.

I got a question.

I got one more question about the Knicks.

Yeah, but I want to talk about the Suns thing, though, just because

if I were Tibbs, I'd be like, I'm good.

I'm good right now.

Like, you guys just blasted out Vogel immediately.

You brought in Bud, paid him, blasted him out.

It seems with the finalists for Phoenix, it's like maybe we don't have to spend a ton of money this time around because they're spending all this money on these other guys.

I think you have to have a certain mindset to respond to Timbs, to Tibbs.

And I don't know.

I'm sure Booker would be fine with it.

I can't even imagine Beal in Tibbs rotation

if they're still stuck with Beal because I do think the rank gets traded.

Yeah.

All right.

My last next question, because I want to talk finals.

I know you don't like Kat.

I don't.

You do not.

I respect it.

He's better than I give him credit for.

I don't like watching it.

Do you...

So my take is he is not a perfect player.

Yeah, so much tests.

But

all your complaints about him or criticism of him are fair and they come from a fair place.

I feel like, though, he is maybe the greatest scapegoat that a team could ever have because it's all about Kat and Tibbs and not a real conversation about Jalen Brunson maybe being

defensive liability at points.

Mikael Bridges not playing up to the level he should have played to.

Josh Hart not being able to hit a three.

And Kat is like this lightning rod.

And it happened with the Timberwolves too, where if you have Kat on your team, you know, if you're another guy, you're safe.

Because if you lose, it's going to be like Carl Anthony Towns is the problem.

Yeah, it's like being on the cabinet where you just go like, well, ultimately, everybody's going to forget what I'm in charge of.

Right.

Yeah, look, I mean, Brunson is like almost bulletproof.

Yeah.

And, you know, it's funny because Becky Hammond made made the comment, I believe it was Becky, who'd said,

you know, you wonder about Brunson as a smaller guard on a title contending team, which has been

accepted for years in this league.

I mean, that's why, you know, Isaiah Thomas has become criminally underrated for what he was

as like the real go-to offensive player.

And granted, you know, Dumars was terrific and Vinny Johnson coming off the bench, and that'll be the end of that Pistons breakdown.

But

there's just GMs that will tell you, like, I don't want to have to go through multiple rounds with a small guard.

I don't want to.

And here's Brunson, who,

whether it was one year, I know I flipped it with he and Tatum, where I had one in the top five in the MVP voting.

I think I had Brunson fifth and then put Tatum first team all NBA.

You know, Brunson's, if he's healthy, you know, he's, I don't know, he's not outside of the top 10 players in this league.

They nailed it.

You know, he was, he was good in Dallas.

I didn't think he was was going to be this.

And then, on top of everything else, he's just so comfortable in all these huge moments.

However, you know, the Boston series, it wasn't really about Brunson in the beginning.

They did a really good job containing him.

Bridges went off.

And then, you know, Boston just becomes this comically stagnant team.

So you're right.

Like, Brunson has brought such energy to this franchise, and those moments at MSG where he's just dialing it up and no one can do anything with him.

It ignores,

and maybe it's kind of baked into the cat part of it.

Is like, if he, if you have one bad defender, you can kind of hide it.

Right.

But when it's the pacers deciding, like, do we want to attack Kat this time or do we want to attack Brunson?

And to Halliburton's credit, too, which I had to remind myself a little bit of like his standing in the league, where you go, you know, how we all kind of fall in love with like who those guys are-the top 10 players, top 15.

I voted them all NBA.

It was close for third-team for him.

But when you have somebody who's approached the game more like a quarterback, who's dissecting things and playing playing like this natural point guard position with the instincts that are so rare in today's game.

Like, when you have a guy like that who knows, like, okay, there was a play that he had in the closeout game when he went on that little bit of a tear.

So, Kat was late in drop coverage and doesn't get to Halliburton.

Halliburton hits a floater inside the paint.

And it was another one of those discussions where one of Kat's teammates is like, What are you doing?

Like, you have to show more on that.

They run something very similar.

Halliburton knows because he just got yelled at that Kat's going to come up to him.

And Halliburton's like, yep, and delays just enough.

Siakam has the cutoff of it.

He's wide open.

He actually missed the layup.

So I know I'm kind of going off here a little bit, but when you have two of these liabilities defensively and Kat is the sassy one,

and seven feet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And look,

I don't know what happened with them.

I mean, there was only five assists total from Brunson to Cat in that entire series.

When you look at the offensive ratings for the Knicks over the course of the year, like month by month, it was the best offense in the NBA to like the bottom third the last couple months.

So they lost something.

And whether that's on Tibbs not being creative enough, you know, I would say there's probably more Bridges possessions in there with an offense that's a little bit more creative.

Or we're like, hey, can't we just use the Kat Brunson thing as some kind of decoy instead of Brunson or Bridges is watching so much of this.

But you're absolutely right.

There's no dispute that with a guy like Brunson.

bringing this energy and just excitement and he's so much fun.

Like, you know, every kid has a Brunson jersey that's a fan of this team that nobody's ever in a hurry to criticize that guy when you have somebody else who you feel like is a bigger liability on the whole than Brunson is.

Right.

If you're going to have a guy who's bad at defense, you would rather have a guy who's bad at defense and also very tall than a guy that's short and also bad at defense.

Well, also when that other guy can like drop 40 in a playoff game and it's so much fun watching it happen,

you know, look, I don't even think SGA is like a great defensive player.

He's even been subbed out at times for defensive purposes, but it's never a thing.

Right.

One, because he's taller.

Two,

there's so many great defensive players.

Like sometimes he gets targeted because it's like, I'd rather do this than switch into Jalen Williams, Door, or Caruso.

Yeah.

Or then, you know, Chet holds up pretty well, which I think they'll probably close with Chet more in this series than the double big lineup that they've done off and on throughout this year.

So

I don't want to sit here and be like, hey, you're right.

Let's, we should all be shitting on Brunson more.

No, I don't think that's a good thing.

I like that part of the NBA.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

It's like, hey, you know who we don't shit on enough?

It's this guy.

Let's do it.

And I know that's not what you're saying, but he's bulletproof.

He kind of should do it.

It's more just cat.

Everyone hits the trade cat button.

And it's like, yeah, he's not perfect, but there's other things too.

Maybe it is just trade cat.

It's also very funny whenever basketball comes down to just like, oh, yeah, being taller does help.

It does.

It's like, hey, we shouldn't overthink this.

Tall players are better than shorter players.

I'll be honest, if I was 7-4, I truly believe I would be in the NBA.

I would have played some minutes in the NBA if I was 7'4.

I know you didn't listen to the podcast already today because it just posted, but we had a life advice specifically about this where a guy was working construction and he was 6'6.

And there was another guy on the site that was like, man,

if I had your height, I'd be in the NBA.

And the emailer was like,

look, I get it.

It's happened to me my whole life, but it's also insinuating that I'm a waste of a human being because I wasted all this God-given talent.

And then the punchline was, you want to guess what the other guy's height was?

Oh, was it like 6'3?

Yeah, it was 6'4.

Just need those extra two inches.

No, but 7'4.

I mean, let's be real.

If you were 7'4, you'd be in the NBA.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

For sure.

Not long.

I think I would have blown through money and been a bit of a fuck up in my 20s.

But you would have had, you would have been in the, you would have gotten drafted.

All right, let's talk about the finals.

Oh, yeah, but I'd be on podcasts talking about how coaches fucked me over.

I got like black walls in the league and stuff.

Yeah, you'd have the clips of you in a gym playing against a bunch of like dad my comeback videos i mean we wouldn't have anywhere to post them but it would be incredible you would be you would be ready to shit on players if you had gotten in the league for like a cup of coffee then you just gain a lot of weight after you get out and you're like this guy stinks this guy's a bum never win anything yeah i do wonder like if you took just a general fitness test of people like north of 45

how many people that are in shape are in shape because their athletic career was such a massive disappointment versus guys that had like incredible success.

And then after 45, you're like, I don't want to do any of that shit because it was my life.

You're just describing CrossFit.

You really are.

Like, if you ever go to a serious CrossFit gym, and if you go to a serious CrossFit gym and you throw one of them a football, it's not getting caught, but they could fucking burpee forever.

Yeah, I was thinking about that.

Like, if somebody had just played catch with Rudy Gobert when he was a kid.

Did you see Rudy?

Did you see Rudy's warm-up dribble video where he just couldn't do it?

In the game?

No, it was like before the game, it was like Rudy's

working on his handles.

It's like, why are they taping this?

Don't do this to the guy.

I know.

It kind of reminds me.

Is that the Tristan Thompson video where he was like

doing like little jump pull-ups?

Oh, because I seen another one.

Well, you like watching sex tapes.

Well, I mean, if they

if they're on, if they're in my purview, I'm going to watch.

I'm not going to avert my eyes.

Yeah, but would you want to watch a sex tape of somebody you knew?

If you told me, if you came up to me right now and you're like, if you sat, if you, if you walked into this studio and PFT and I are sitting here right now and be like, someone's like, hey,

I got a sex tape of Hank.

We'd watch.

I want to see his stroke.

We'd watch.

We'd watch.

Come on.

You'd watch.

I wouldn't.

Yes, you wouldn't.

I wouldn't want to watch that.

Yes, you would.

I don't want to watch Hank Bang ever.

I wouldn't watch it multiple times.

I'd watch it once out of curiosity.

You guys would have to.

I mean, you're in the content.

You got to know what your man's style is.

You got to know what his go-tos are.

We're going to break down some film.

Yeah.

What if he started crying and was the little spoon?

That would be awesome.

That'd be very funny.

Yeah.

Then I'd watch many times.

Yeah, that'd be good.

Before we get to the finals, you mentioned something in passing.

KD, you think he's going to get traded?

Why do you think that?

And who do you think he's going to get traded traded to?

What would make you think he'd play on a different team?

I don't know.

Just something.

Hot tapes with Drasillo.

KD might not be on the Suns next year.

I thought last year he was, there was a lot of stuff, right?

A lot of stuff around the draft.

There was like rumors about Houston.

And then I think Stephen A even had said like he is going to be traded.

And then I talked about it like two days days later and said, I know for a fact that he's not going to be traded.

And at least I had this year.

I don't know.

I feel like the seeds have been planted.

Okay.

Okay.

What is that?

Is that when

it's a wind horse?

Windy fingers.

Yeah, windy fingers.

I don't think that deserves to be a windy fingers.

No, dude.

Why would you rain on the move?

Why would you say that?

Huh?

Well, you're also plugged in, Ryan.

You're the most plugged in guy we got.

Yeah, but see, I don't, I don't,

you know, I don't,

as I've gotten older, I don't need to do any of that stuff.

And if I get it wrong, it's like the damage is so much worse than no one's ever like, hey, good call.

Yeah, that's why I like threads so much, big cat.

Yeah, threads is threads is like

being out in last call looking for food in Philadelphia versus like Sarasota.

That's what threads is.

It is threads.

All right, let's talk the finals.

I, I love, I've, I've loved watching the Pacers these playoffs.

They're so much fun.

They play with so much pace.

They have Halliburton.

I know there's games where it's like, hey, how is this guy, you know, a top 10 player?

But when he's on, he's on, and he makes everything so much better.

I just can't get over the fact that the Thunders defense is so fucking suffocating, and they have so many guys that they can throw at you.

And just like, even, I know regular season doesn't matter.

Like, Lou Dort

is going to is going to make Halliburton work his ass off.

And it's like, then they have other guys.

And Caruso comes off the bench.

Is there, what's the path for the Pacers?

Like, how do you, when you look at this, is there a case you can make that, like, here's how the Pacers can win this series outside of Caitlin Clark going to every game, which they are 7-0 in these playoffs with Caitlin Clark in attendance?

That's good.

It was good to see Mike Epps in the mix because all this Knicks stuff, they were like, is there anybody

available?

Like, can we do anything?

And I, just to share with you guys, because I know how much you like the Jam bands, you know, Trey's been at these Knicks games.

So is Derek Trux, right derek trux i saw him on the baseline right yeah and you're just thinking to yourself like can't we get one one shot of any of the guys on the creative side of music you know uh although i shouldn't say that about buster rhymes because i still think um his third album is is one of my favorites still a go-to listen to it today shooting around a little bit flip modes of ghost

yeah Right.

So I didn't want to make that sound like one form of music is more creative than the other, but there's seriously something against the

improvisational guys.

I just don't understand why Trey doesn't deserve some sort of graphic.

We don't have to worry about that anymore.

The Knicks are eliminated.

So look, I think when you're watching the Pacers, you're going, okay, cool.

They take care of the basketball and they love to get out and run.

Here's the problem.

I went back and watched the March game, the late March game where the Thunder put it on the Pacers.

There was no Chet.

There was no Jalen Williams 2.

Hartenstein left the game at halftime with a hip thing.

So only played like 14 minutes.

So they decided to come out small and play with Kenrich.

And that's where they put, they were up like 10 at the half.

They put like real separation.

They got up to 22 in the third quarter.

They didn't get a great SGA game because Jalen Williams was on the attack, man.

And when he was like the primary ball handler, like he was on the attack.

So then you're thinking, okay, so going into this, we expect the Pacers to take care of the ball.

We expect them to want to go small at sometimes.

They have this bench and they're going to want to.

I would say, get out and run, right?

The Thunder were the better running team in the regular season matchup.

In that game, there were two things that really stood out.

One was the Jalen Williams attacking Neese Smith and having zero issues with it whatsoever.

Number two was they got out and pushed.

Okay, so like if you, the Thunder can basically do anything.

The other thing that's crazy, like I know I'm throwing a bunch of stuff at you here, the Thunder are 13th out of 16 playoff teams in three-point shooting.

And they're a minus 750 for the NBA Finals.

The only series they've shot it well from three is the Minnesota series.

They can get to this point, be 12-4 through 16 playoff games and still not shoot it nearly as well as they've shot it in the regular season.

That's fucking horrifying.

They've played at a faster pace than the Pacers.

They take care of the basketball better than the Pacers do.

And even as much as we all love that bench, because we know who all the guys are for the Pacers, through 16 games, TJ, OB,

Thomas Bryant, and Matherin are all net negatives.

They're all net negatives.

And to your point about like the Thunder, can go, hey, we'll run a double big at you.

I don't think they're going to want to because Hartenstein is actually of of like the main nine rotational guys, the biggest net negative.

And I think it's played out that way.

And they started tailing his minutes off in the Minnesota series.

Also, because Chet is somebody like you just feel so much better about now a month into this because he's had some massive moments, including, I would say, you know, one of the closed Denver games and also game five against Minnesota.

He was unbelievable.

And you don't even have to really run any plays for this guy.

You know, even though I'm picking the thunder and it's going to be really hard for anybody to talk themselves into the Pacers, the things that the Pacers pride themselves on, running, keeping the basketball, not turning it over is the better way to say it, and their bench depth, the Thunder can match you with a better bench.

Their bench is actually played better.

They've taken care of the basketball better.

And they're more than ready to run with you if you want to run with them.

And that's what's so impressive about this team is that

they can just take on almost any form needed in a basketball game, and it's probably going to be their advantage.

Have you heard anybody that's taking the Pacers that's not just doing it to be the, I'm the guy who's taking the Pacers guy?

I haven't.

I mean, have you guys had a moment where it was like the Giants,

Pat's undefeated season where you really thought the other team, because look, it's sports.

This is the whole reason we care about this stuff is that we have to be surprised sometimes.

So I always try to like figure out like, when's, is there, is there a time to just go ahead and pick against everybody else because you feel like everyone's overrating the other side a little bit too much?

I meant this, this is actually a question.

Like, do you have one in your past that you remember?

You were like, I'm on the other side of this?

Yep.

It was just a few short months ago, NFL playoffs, commanders against the Lions.

Yeah, that doesn't count.

I know.

What did I do?

The doink in the Super Bowl.

Oh,

well, no.

No, I guess that would be the opposite.

That's the exact thing.

I got it.

Hank did the no doink.

But he did it out of spite.

So he didn't actually think that there was going to be a doink.

He just did it because he knew I was betting no doinks.

That's actually a great comp for the line.

Yeah.

Because I think, what are the pacers right now?

Plus 550?

Yeah, something like that.

I'm trying to think.

I don't think I have.

580.

I thought it was this morning.

Whatever.

It's the same number.

Keep going.

I don't think there's been,

like, it doesn't, you're not, you're, you're talking about like big-time games, too, right?

Because there, there are definitely

moments, like, there's coaches, you know, where it's like,

you know, Mike Vrabel used to do this with the Titans, where it's like, oh, here's a Titans game.

Like, where everyone's picking against them and they're going to win this game.

Or Mike Tomlin, Mike Tomlin on the road is a dog.

It's like, well, yeah, give me Mike Tomlin on the road as a dog, but that doesn't really count.

No, I don't think that that counts at all.

And the gambling part of it that drives me crazy is when a guy takes the massive odds and then tries to take credit for like picking it straight up like they thought that was going to happen.

Right.

And that drives me fucking nuts because it's like, you know, somebody loves the payout.

So then they invest in the payout and then they pretend after the fact.

Like if somebody were to bet the Pacers, who's just a gambler and then the Pacers win, it's like, I told you.

It's like, did you tell us, or did you just like the odds?

Yeah.

I also think it's different, obviously, in football than it is in battle.

You got a seven-game series here.

Yeah.

That's true, too.

And I look, I didn't mean to dismiss you on the Commanders thing, but that's because you're a fan of them.

No, no.

No,

you dismiss away.

Yeah.

I agree with that.

I think anybody that's picking the Pacers right now, I would be shocked if I heard a good basketball reason behind it besides just the fact that everyone else has taken the other side.

So I'm going to be different.

Yeah,

this might be a goal of ours.

We got to figure out, we got to finally call our shot on a game.

What if it's the Pacers?

What if it's the Pacers?

But we're definitely just doing

to be different.

And I can't do that to Caruso.

What about Travis Hunter?

40 to 1.

We had that.

No big deal.

What did you get on his number being retired?

What was the payout on Shador's number being retired?

Good question.

That one was actually minus money.

All right, so we got to find one.

We got to do this at some point.

We got to find a big game.

And we should all

because we do this for a living and we're wrong enough on the favorites

to just feel like, hey, do we just...

And again, like to the dismissive point, because we live it every single day.

The guy that can't stop tweeting about his fucking team who then is like, see, I told you.

What was your fucking reasoning?

Right.

Yeah.

And also

the other outcome was going to make you cry.

Like, you know, so to me, those never really count all that much.

That happens a lot in college football, too.

Yeah.

It's like, oh, you know, you didn't think we could do this.

It's like, well, why did you think you could do it?

Like, I'm telling you right now, like, my, my process was far less emotional than yours was.

And you ended up being right about it.

But this is

sometimes it's fun, man.

You know who Stanford Steve every now and would just throw a doozy at you.

Yeah.

But Stanford Steve also has been doing this thing to me.

And I don't know if it's like a bit, but he's been like texting me to like take things.

And I think he's just trying to get me to change the odds a little bit, like super long shots and then i'll bet it and then he'll like do something else so that's how i ended up with the kyle schwarber 90 to 1 mvp ticket that's some sinister shit he might be doing it i don't know i have i have somebody who'll hit me up being like hey don't you think this and i'll be like yeah and then i kind of think like this guy's already heard me say this so he knows i think exactly this and then he'll he'll be like You know, I can't believe all these people think this.

And I'll be like, yeah, again, I agree.

I've said this like seven times we are in agreement and then i realize like he has a future on it and wants me to keep banging the table more and more for it let's get the brands going though let's let's hop on the group chat find a long shot that we that we believe in and then we can how about this one by the way russo was was talking about travis hunter there what

me texting and being like hey you should talk about travis hunter more oh yeah yeah

no but i'm just i wasn't talking about you but that did happen because i wouldn't think that you would do it to me but i guess you wanted an outside guy.

Because I remember when that text happened and I said, are you nuts?

I go, I'm actually doing an open on it today.

And you were like, good, I can't wait.

And then after I did it, Big Cat goes, that was really good.

I have a 40 to 1 on it.

Because

I think I did the segment where I went, hey, who are we kidding at this point?

Like, based on the field, I don't even know

who else are you voting for at this point.

And then Big Cat was like, that was really well done.

One of your best monologues.

Good job.

Because I was going to put put you on the Panthers.

Yeah.

Carolina Panthers.

Carolina Panthers to win the NFC.

Be a crazy one.

I believe in Bryce Young.

What can I say?

Man,

I was really happy with Bryce Young this year.

I started rooting for Bryce Young only because it felt like people wanted him to retire after week eight of his rookie season.

Yeah.

Yeah.

If I had his height, I would be in the NFL.

Who is he?

5'10?

A question about SGA.

If they thunder go on and win this, is he up?

Like,

where is he top seven all-time season?

Top nine?

All-time season?

I don't know that off the top of my head.

It's pretty crazy when you actually stack it up.

MVP, scoring title, 80-plus win team.

Like, it's kind of, he's in a weird spot where he's kind of underrated because people don't like watching his game, which I understand the complaints.

But, like, he, he will submit one of the, one of the best seasons ever in terms of totality.

Just seasons, I'm talking about.

Yeah, just seasons.

I'd have to do more work on it.

But two things that you said there.

One, the free throw thing.

I was really worried about it, like a Brunson SGA finals, because there's always a bit of a reminder.

Like I remember there was some Harden stuff in 2018 where you could tell how little regular season Houston Rockets basketball people on social media had actually watched during the regular season.

And it was like, what the fuck is this?

Like, first Rockets game?

Yeah.

And you could see with Brunson and SGA, just more eyes were on it in a way where people were paying attention.

And again, I'm not to gatekeep it like this.

It's not like I'm a WNBA fan and I don't want people to watch my product.

But I look at it where I was worried about what could happen there with Brunson and SGA.

And I also, it becomes like just so annoying.

It's a bit like...

It's a bit political where, again, the only people defending Brunson are Knicks fans with it, you know, and it's

on the SGA side.

It's like, no, no, no, your fouls suck.

Our fouls suck less.

And then you have foul totals, and you go, hey, you know, I like how you guys made something that's pretty simple, really complicated.

For those of us that have no emotional tie to it whatsoever, the foul merchanting of today fucking sucks compared to the total number of free throws.

Like we watched all those games, and I'm not saying Jordan didn't get a few calls.

You don't need to clip me as if case closed, but over the course of like whatever the free throw rates were or the free throw totals were, it sucks way more now with the most egregious players than it ever sucked in the past because the officials don't penalize the players in the past for baiting them.

The old school officials, and Van Gundy said this to me, so you don't have to believe me.

He's like, the old school guys would police it in this gray area, which is what officiating needs to be more like, where it's like, hey, you got me and fuck you.

This is the game.

Like, I'm never giving you one of those.

And guess what?

The player stops doing all of that stuff.

So I just think there's a lot of smart people that started counting up free throws for any guy.

Pick a guy you don't like, trying to argue, oh, actually, historically, it's not that bad.

It's like, okay, so now you've just eliminated the visual comparison where it's certainly more bad or worse, I should say, and unfortunately gets in the way of what can be awesome, awesome games and an awesome product.

This is where, Rasil, you doing a podcast on your own hurts you because you have to speak the truth.

We did something accidentally on this podcast that's actually been very great for us.

I went after Jalen Brunson's foul merchanting and PFT went after SGA's foul merchanting.

So like there's always a guy who didn't like people will be like tag me a tweet and be like, oh, but PFT doesn't like this and tag PFT in the tweet and be like, oh, but Big Cat doesn't like Brunson.

Yeah, no, they split it right.

Now it's to the point where Oklahoma City fans, they don't think I should take any joy in Alex Caruso winning a championship.

Yeah.

We split it up because

I do stand by my take with SGA.

And you're right.

It's the thing I don't like about the foul merchant stuff, it's not the act of shooting free throws.

Like, don't get me wrong, I would rather see open play.

I would rather see, like, you know, not a whistle every 30 seconds and guys going to the line.

But, like, free throws, I don't get triggered by watching people shoot free throws.

I get triggered by watching guys dribble through the lane, fall down, acting like they're falling down because they got fouled, but they're falling down under control, shooting a shot that they've practiced when they practice flopping, and then getting to the line that way.

That part to me, that's hard to watch.

Yeah, I think Brunson's grosser than SGA is

because there's so much with Brunson that's off the ball, like shoving a guy as he's trying to cut.

And then, like, every single thing with Brunson is some sort of dramatic sell.

I mean, you'd think he'd get sick of it on some of the off-ball stuff.

I mean, he drew, like, Knicks fans will always say, oh, look at his free throw rate and look at his free throw, look at all these other guys.

It's like he actually drew the second most fouls per game than any other player in the league.

And number one is Giannis by a pretty healthy margin because Giannis is just, you just, there's nothing you can fucking do against that guy physically.

But to bring

some sort of conclusion on this thing that you'd asked me about

sga's all-time season i don't know again off the top of my head but this is when we're really dangerous because

the morning shows can't if sga runs through this finals mvp which is all a very likely outcome coming off of this mvp and for a guard to have the efficient season that he had and he would have had

The the free throw part of it that I would defend SGA on is like, it's not like he's just some free throw guy and that's the only thing that's working here.

He's fucking incredible.

All right.

But those shows, if that happens, it's going to be like, hey, does this guy have the NBA belt?

Is this the best player in the world?

And this is where I would be probably a downer on those TV shows is I go, I have him fourth still.

Like, I know he just won the title.

I feel like that Jokic series against OKC is like, I don't know how anybody watches that series and then feels worse about Jokic this year.

To me, Jokic is unobtainable.

Like you cannot get to his level right now.

And there's going to be a lot of people arguing just because it's better.

It's better.

Nobody goes, you know, if Mission Impossible 8 comes out, nobody in the review goes third best one.

Right.

It has to be the best Mission Impossible ever.

And it's the best one every fucking time.

There's a new one.

And with SGA on the cusp of this, nobody's going to feel like they're having fun if they're saying, yeah, okay, now I have them ahead of Giannis, where I would have Giannis and Jokic ahead of everybody, and then we could talk about Luca and SGA, which is kind of funny.

Like, Luca,

like SGA, still sort of locked in.

I don't know, I don't think a sane person, a real basketball person, should look at this and be like, Okay, SGA is now the best in the world, because they're going to look back on that take in October going, Whoa, I got fucking caught up in everything.

Yeah, but what's crazy about SGA's game is he doesn't have to do the foul merchant stuff.

He would still have to.

He's a great player, he's a great player when he's not doing that.

Yeah.

And by the way, your point, I agree with saying accolades, like one of the most impressive years doesn't mean he's the best.

I'm just saying, like, statistically, when you match it all up, what he did this year could be up there with, like, holy shit, that was an insane season.

Doesn't mean I would take him over Jokic.

Right.

Like, did you guys have Halliburton in your top 10 before the playoffs started?

Oh, yeah, I did.

I had the Pacers

above the Celtics going to the playoffs.

Oh, yeah.

We had him.

Yeah.

Hank Hayden.

Who did you have him ahead of?

I had him ahead of Brunson.

Tatum.

I had him ahead of Tatum for sure.

Top of Mitchell.

Mitchell easily.

Giannis.

Paolo.

Yeah, that's a good chunk.

That's a good healthy chunk of guys right there.

Indeed.

You're better at it than I am because...

I have never thought Halliburton's a top 10 player.

And by the way, nobody would even start shit with you saying that four weeks ago.

No one would.

I had him all all NBA third team.

So that means I believe he's in this kind of like 13th best to 17th best player.

The Dak range.

Yeah, yeah, which is a lot worse for Dak than it is Halliburton.

Because there's so many basketball players.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Over the course of a season, 48 quarterbacks.

Yeah.

You know, maybe 28.

Hey, Dak Range is a great range to be in.

He's got paid a shitload of money.

You should do that.

Like, if you were doing ESPN still, I got Halbert in the Dak range.

That's a real crossover that Greene would be going nuts for.

That would be Greeny be losing his mind.

Oh, what about that one?

What about, hey, let's bump Jalen Rose.

What about this one?

Me and Big Ket have been working on this one: that this is going to be the worst Thunder team to win a championship

because they're going to get so much better over the course of the next couple seasons with their draft picks.

This is actually a down year for the Thunder.

Yeah, we're going to look back.

Wow.

You might be right.

Yeah, you like that, don't you?

You thought about it and you were like, these boys know.

They're going to win four or five, and we're going to look back and be like, that 2025 team, not that great compared to the 2027 team, the 28 team.

28 is when they come into form.

Yeah, 28 is going to be in special.

I'll be happy if they win just so people can be like, okay, finally, Presty's good.

Yeah.

Like that group that was holding out.

You know, this guy has just been like.

an absolute architect.

He wants a certain kind of player.

The personality part that they emphasize, because there's a realness to this team and like how, and look, the Pacers kind of have this too.

So I'm not trying to make this all about the Thunder, but this is why they're the heavy favorites.

But the guy in the friend group or text chain that it's like, all right, give me your three best executives in basketball.

You'd be like, Presty.

And then, you know, the guy's like, for all, you know, people talk a lot about how good Presti is.

He hasn't won anything.

You know what else is funny too about?

You're in some great text threads.

Yeah, that's a fun one.

I enjoy that one a lot.

Changing my number soon.

I'll get that to you guys.

But

let's look at this Thunder rebuild real quick because you realize it was only like a couple years.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They were in.

Obviously, Chris Paul, if his teammates, if SGA had stepped up more in that game seven against the Rockets four years ago,

well,

that's what we all think.

Yep.

Yep.

Yeah.

But yeah, they were back for two years.

Yeah, that's fucking crazy.

That's crazy.

Like, that gets lost in, well, you know, hey, it finally paid off.

They were, what was it, 20?

So they lose in 20.

That's the Rockets game.

Remember, Hardin had a block towards the end, and they were like, you know, people knock this guy's defense.

You're like, this is fucking one play.

All right.

22 and 50, 24 and 58.

And when they went 40 and 42 two years ago, people were like, what the fuck?

That's incredible that they're 40 and 42.

It was two down years, and some of these teams are on year 15.

Yeah.

And it's also like you could say a similar thing about the Pacers in the fact that the Pacers had, you know, when they had Sabone, they traded for Sabonis, and Ola Depo obviously was injured.

But there's a lot of franchises that are just be like, oh, yeah, we'll just, we'll just continue to be like the, you know, seventh to tenth best team in the East.

And like, we're not going to, you know, to get out of what they were in that quickly, too.

Both these teams are just incredible built.

If you could have the Thunders roster tomorrow, and I said you can't watch the Cubs for 10 years.

Ooh.

10 years.

Well, remember,

you're getting five championships.

PCA is really awesome.

Five championships.

Five, yeah, minimum.

My brother talks about that guy.

PCA?

Yeah.

He's fun.

He's fun.

He's so fast.

I was like, what's going on?

He's like, yeah, he's like my favorite player.

He is going to, I'll say this.

There's going to be a slight regression just because he's been playing out of his mind, but he's still very good.

Like, people are going to start shit.

You know, when you can feel it coming, especially in baseball, we're like, Wally Joyner.

This guy's going so hot.

Obviously, he's going to have a stretch where he's not going to get a couple hits, and then the haters are going to pile on and be like, see, he actually does suck.

That might, I'm going to go.

That's why you take it to threads.

Yeah.

I'm getting ready for it.

He's still awesome.

I don't care.

Ryan, I got a question for you because I can just sense topics sometimes that you're going to be worked up about.

And I want to just let you.

This whole SGA belt thing was the other open I was going to do this week, but now I'm not going to do it.

I just want to hear you speak speak about small markets and what this means for the NBA as a whole.

You can mix in a little ratings.

Oh, that's part of the

small market.

Yeah, yeah.

Maybe the Thought Starter, like Jumbo Trump.

Ratings aren't going to be good.

Yeah, Jumbo Trown in your head is a Klay Travis tweet being like, look, the NBA is dying.

Now go.

Yeah, they're losing market share to the WNBA, which I also hate.

Yeah, yeah.

Look, I think a lot of the ratings decline stuff is driven by people's political beliefs, where if you're really, really right-wing, you love the idea of the NBA being a dying product because it's probably the most progressive of the league.

Certainly more progressive than the NHL.

You know, there's a lot of bubble stuff that maybe I would even understand some of the criticism of

being in the moment, feeling it was the right thing, and then looking back years later, being like, you know.

Group economics jersey?

What the fuck is that?

But what I don't like is disingenuous arguments.

And I would tell you, people that are like in the TV game, the people making these decisions that I've talked to of investing into live rights are like, who the fuck is using traditional ratings anymore?

Right.

And if you want to hit me over the head with every NFL rating, guess what?

I submit.

I'm going to tap out before they even ask me if I'm ready in the octagon.

I can't.

I don't have an argument.

It's the best product.

It's on network TV.

Everybody, it is a part of Americana.

It's the best packaged.

The scarcity of the inventory and all of those things.

And the fact that it's an OKC Indiana matchup, like the guys that are going to be doing victory laps on this, I already can name them all, right?

But I also saw like ratings numbers for OKC Minnesota that were terrible while ignoring like some really great New York Pacers series numbers.

And you're just like, okay, as soon as I see what you're doing, like I remember this.

One of my favorite examples of like how fucking pathetic some people are with their political ideology and just hitting you over the fucking head with it over and over and over again is when Kaepernick, that deal had been signed where Kaepernick was with Nike.

And if the Nike stock went down, then everybody on the right side of it was like, see,

fucking morons.

And then the stock price would go up.

And then the left side of it would be like, this shows that America like gets it and whatever.

And when the reality is, it fucking had nothing to do with the Kaepernick deal.

It was just the way the markets fucking work.

There was nothing significant.

And whatever way the stock went for like two weeks, people were going back and forth and arguing it.

And my whole point would be like, you're about to get an example, a piece of evidence that tells you now the NBA is now a declining product when we already know because of the small market, the rating isn't going to be strong.

But is that really...

Is that really what this is?

Is that really what the investment is from the broadcast partners where it felt like every single person that has a channel wanted to get involved in the NBA?

It's not the NFL.

It's not perfect.

But, you know, you want to compare it to the 90s.

All right, let's do it with the NBA.

It looks terrible.

You want to do it with any other fucking TV show from the 90s?

Because I'm telling you right now, it's probably going to look bad when you start comparing sitcoms to friends.

Yeah.

7 billion people watch the Seinfeld finale.

Are you aware of who I am, Larry?

He got canceled.

He got canceled.

That Larry King Seinfeld thing is so good.

And some people were like, oh, Jerry, they kind of let him have it.

I'm like, I actually think he kind of, you know, sometimes I don't prep for an interview and then I watch that Larry King Seinfeld one and I go,

you prep enough.

Brendan Marshall.

I got to tell you, Brendan Marshall.

Keep it in this lane.

Like, I know I'm on and we're all friends.

Do you think I'm crazy for having maybe a bit more open-mindedness of like

what the ratings truths really are?

Because

I, I like, I don't know.

Maybe, maybe I'm the, because I know know it's like, oh, you're the NBA guy.

So

I defend what I think is like a reasoned way of looking at things.

And I'm not trying to tell you, like,

hey, it's the NFL, because that'd be fucking stupid of me to even try to do.

But, you know, if the NHL dips in ratings or the MLB dips in ratings, nobody ever talks about how progressive they were as a league.

I also just find it very funny that like,

I don't watch sports to be like, I hope a lot of people are also watching this with me.

Like, I just don't, like, I'm excited for these NBA finals.

I'm going to watch all the NBA finals.

If the ratings stink, I'm not going to be like, damn, well, that was a waste of time.

Yeah, I like the other part of this is kind of like you ask the owners and you go, what do you want?

Well, they just did the new TV deal.

So timing of things, if it were expiring, you know, this summer, or, you know, again, they'd have the negotiation done prior to that.

But like, if the heat of the negotiation was coming off, what's going to be potentially a terrible ratings final,

you know, maybe that impacts the value of it.

But it does feel like all of these broadcast partners go, hey, I'd still rather be in the second best live rights thing outside of football, which again, college football and the bowl games and what those numbers do are incredible and everything like that.

But on a grander scale of like what the owners want or don't want,

I mean, this league, forever, the lack of parity, if you didn't have a top five guy, if you didn't have a number two guy that that was number 10, like it really was like there was no point.

And for a long time, we were conditioned to accept that if one team had two stars, then the next third star was going to be mad and want to go join those guys.

So clearly, in a way to pull back some of the from the player empowerment decade that we had, the owners introduce stricter financial restrictions.

When you really dig into what happens to a team when it's over the second apron for a little while, it's like you're losing draft picks and all that stuff.

Or like, hey, in the past, when the player said, I want to go there and only there now you can go back to that player saying hey we'd love to do it for you but we actually are not legally allowed to do any of those things and on top of it trying to even though it's a split which is a percentage and the players are guaranteed that amount of money the restrictions for what individual teams can do it felt like all the owners wanted these things to speak to greater parity to pull some of the power back and then feel like they have a better chance.

So there's a version of this finals matchup where you go, in a world where it felt like this league had the least least amount of parody, is it actually on this stretch of parody that is better for all of the markets as opposed to the very top?

Now, granted, look, the NBA officers still rather this be Knicks Lakers.

Who are we fucking kidding?

But if you're an owner of any of these teams, you probably feel like you have more of a chance than you've ever had before with this version of the NBA.

Agree.

I think it's better as a whole.

And like Big Cat said, I personally don't care what the ratings are.

I don't care if other people are watching it in mass like they have in the past.

The one thing I do care about is afterwards when they put out the ratings of like the 50 most watched events on TV this year, I care about it all being NFL and then maybe one NBA game.

Or maybe an Olympics.

And then Albert Breer quote-tweeting it and saying NFL is king.

Yeah.

That's what I care about.

Yeah, because we respect the shield.

That's my Super Bowl.

Yeah, you guys are big football guys.

You could say that.

I know I see like the countdowns.

Yeah.

The countdowns to like week one tweets.

It'll get like 7,000 likes.

Yeah.

We have a countdown clock in our office, college football countdown clock.

That one I don't understand.

I'll never understand it.

The like, how many fucking tackles did you make?

You know, like, I don't, I don't really get that.

No, I don't get the prideful, like, well, I am a football guy.

Well, you wouldn't.

Yeah, you wouldn't.

Yeah, we're basketball,

Ryan.

No, I guess I don't get it.

Yeah, you would never get it.

We're speaking a different language, you know.

Listen, yeah, but for me who watches like 20 hours of football a weekend.

Yeah.

See, for you, it's a job.

For us, it's life.

Yeah.

And that's okay.

Listen, listen.

You're right.

You have that shirt, too, right?

It says football is life.

Yeah, football is life.

The rest is just details.

This is a long way of us.

I don't even wear that.

This is a long way of us saying, like, hey, we hope your little league does okay in the NBA Finals, all right?

Like, we're rude for you.

We're rude for you,

we're rude for you.

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Ryan, well, I need your official prediction, and then I'll ask the last question.

Thunder in.

Five, I played, I think it was plus 680, Thunder Games one and two, Pacers game three, Thunder Games four and five.

Ooh, I like that.

I like that.

All right, my last question.

As a former ESPN-er,

obviously there was a lot of talk this week inside the NBAs going to ESPN.

Who's the weirdest person that could be on inside the NBA?

Is it like Schefter or someone?

I think it's more interesting to like, well, by the way, I don't want to make the Mina Kimes joke again because that ended up in surprise.

I know, I know.

Because I wasn't, and I haven't talked to her, but I saw her respond to Awful Announcing, which I surprised wasn't doing another Lebatard story, so they had room for something else.

Something changed, by the way, recently with Awful Announcing.

They just aggregate

everything.

It's like everything's a beef.

It's bizarre.

I don't know what.

Well, I think they do big numbers.

They do really big numbers because there's a show that basically started pivoting into covering every single beef.

And my whole point was the people that lose their minds when Mina is on a show.

It had nothing to do with.

No, I knew it.

Yeah.

So

I don't know.

Then it turned into a bit of a thing, and I was pretty busy yesterday.

So I was like, I'm not going to worry about this one today.

I'm just going to kind of let it

sort of live and then die off a little bit.

I do think it'd be really interesting to see who would ask to be on it.

Who would

sincerely think, I don't think Schefter's beyond being crazy enough to be like,

Do you need me?

Could it happen?

Call me.

Need a point guard?

Yeah.

Need somebody to come in Listen.

And do something?

I know they say you can't win with small point guards.

No playoffs, regular season only.

I don't know how Stephen A.

doesn't just like

he's on the show.

He's sitting in Chuck's lap.

But they're not going to want that.

Ooh, you know who'd be a good one?

Boomer.

Well, Boomer deserves to be on it.

I wouldn't, and I love him.

And now I'll get aggregated.

I could see Orlofsky maybe getting in there for a segment.

He's tall tall as shit.

He's really tall.

He's a great athlete.

They'd probably just bring him in to talk about food.

Yeah, Chuck would just make fun of his, like, hey, Ida Reese is in front of us.

We want to make fun of you.

Orlovsky would be like, you know what?

I put in my cereal instead of milk is mayonnaise.

And then, boom, that's 45 minutes of TV.

You know, it'd be killers if Orlovsky was allowed and he sat down and just turns to the group and goes, I'm here to bring the white guy's perspective.

Oh, yeah, Dan doing weird food.

I would watch that for sure.

I would watch Stanford Steve on Inside the NBA, too.

Yep.

That crew loves Stanford Steve.

Well, everyone does.

Oh, there's behind the scenes people that love Stanford Steve.

He's hung out with them.

He might have the best chance.

If Ernie's off, I could see them asking Van Pelt and then them liking because Chuck likes Van Pelt.

Everybody loves Van Pelt, too.

That would be...

But I don't...

I disagreed with Bill.

Bill was like, they're going to fuck it up.

And

everybody treats that show like everyone finds it.

I mean, you could even make an argument the show's a little fucking overrated.

Oh, that's good.

That's definitely

right there.

No, just

when they come on and they don't want to talk about the game and Shaq dumps on a center and then they're like, we don't even know who this guy is, or this game sucked.

Like the fact that they've been doing it this long, they can get away with all that stuff.

When the segments are really long and then it goes into the unplanned stuff, they are better than that than everybody else.

But there's a lot of stuff in that show.

If you were starting it out, out, being like, what the fuck did those guys just do?

Like, we've all accepted it.

If that show launched next week and none of those guys have been on TV and they say and do some of the stuff that they do, they would be much,

like, much more harshly criticized.

Oh, yeah.

And because it's also not an ESPN show and it gets to be a TNT show, I think that gives it a bit of a bump.

But

look, they already, what?

I mean, they almost had to release some sort of statement, like getting in front of the whole thing, but saying, we're actually not going going to do what Simmons said.

They can't

mess with it because the reaction will be so severe if it changes at all.

Like, it is such a beloved show, and it's hard to have a show that has that high of an approval rating that if they mess with it, like you don't bring in that show and mess with it.

And Barkley could also just say, hey, they're trying to fuck with our show on the air.

He would say it immediately.

Immediately.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, yeah, you can't do that.

I would have a hard time believing that, like, I mean, they're probably going to be overly sensitive to try, like, hey, what kind of lens do you guys use?

You know, like, is that desk a different color?

Like, uh-oh, like, uh, I would be surprised if at some point

you wouldn't have like a Stephen A going having to stop by or something, but people are going to be so mad about it when it happens.

You better wait until like April.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I hope if they get SVP to sit in, they make him wear the bow tie.

Like, you're good.

We're just going to call you Ernie for tonight.

Tall Ernie.

Yeah.

I know.

And just SVP getting little brothered, and he's like 57.

Yeah.

All right, Ryan, you're the best.

Everyone listening to Ryan Rosillo podcast.

Thank you.

Excited about the NBA Finals.

Listen, we're going to watch.

So we're going to do our part.

All right.

But now I'm disappointed because I.

I want to talk about what I was reading.

Oh, yeah.

By all means.

Go ahead.

Almost done with chernau's latest opus thousand pages on mark twain oh wow mark twain's a fast you know he was a uh he was a shakespeare truther

he would have tweeted a ton

yeah

thousand pages on mark twain yeah didn't know i needed it can't put it down

yeah i mean look it's chernau you got to as a citizen is as a legal citizen you got to do your part and read chernow yeah so would you characterize twain as a humorist or as a satirist?

Oh, satirist, yeah.

Okay, good.

Because definitely.

Humorist is a word that people use for people that are trying to be funny that aren't funny.

Yeah.

Bummed out guy, though, man.

Mark Twain,

not so happy.

Bummed out guy.

Bummed out guy.

There's the book.

You don't have to read the book now.

Oh, man.

All right, Ryan.

You're the best.

Thanks, guys.

Thanks.

Bumped out, guy.

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I'll take another.

Well, it's hard when it's

recurring guests and co-worker and friend.

So it's like, I don't know how many, I don't know if I go very, very good friend or very, very special guest.

You know what I mean?

I'll take both.

Okay.

I'd say

great friend, even better guest.

Yeah.

Wow, that's huge.

Yeah, I'll take anything.

Yeah.

All right.

So, Stanley Cup final, we're ready to go.

Your Florida Panthers versus Wits, Edmonton Oilers.

There it is, right there.

Let's start with the most important thing.

I

told you that you got an invite from Marlin's Man to sit on the glass, and you just, I think you just ha-ha it and not replied.

Does that mean that you are going to go with Marlin's Man and sit on the glass?

Well, your text was,

Marlin's Man has four seats on the glass, Yans has one, so I thought that was already

caught that, yeah.

Okay, good.

So, you're gonna sit with Marlin's Man.

Um, are you excited for that?

Yeah, I can't wait.

Uh, never sat on the glass before, so that'll be a first.

Um, I plan on wearing all my clothes.

I'm like the last guy who's sitting on the glass that works for this company.

Yes, so yeah, it should be a lot of fun.

Can I give you a Marlin Man?

I met Marlin's Man

at the racetrack down at the Gulf Stream one time, and obviously his shirt said Marlin's man.

I told him that we're very, very, very good friends and very good co-workers.

So,

you know, I talked to him for a bit, but what a trip that guy is.

Yeah, I remember that you FaceTimed me out of the blue, and I was like, oh, Yance has FaceTime me in the middle of the day.

And then you just put the phone on Marlin's man.

I was like, oh, man, here we go.

He's locked in.

You got to ask him about his cats when you're hanging out with him.

All he could talk about was your mom.

Jesus Christ, Marlin's man.

It was crazy.

I'm like,

man, I love the guy, but let's stay away from family here, Marlins, man.

Let's be clear about that.

Yeah, you should ask him about his cats.

He's got like nine main coon cats, and they're all, I think, like 50 pounds.

He's got Panthers living in his house.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, that means that's so.

He got the seats on the glass for free just for being that big of a loyal fan and owning that many cats.

That's awesome.

Yeah,

all right.

Let's talk about, let's talk some hockey.

How are you feeling confidence-wise?

Obviously, a rematch last year goes seven.

Now you got to go to Edmonton first.

It feels like the Panthers are the best team, but

are you nervous at all that this might be a storybook, Connor McDavid,

kind of like Sidney Crosby, kind of like Wayne Gretzky, where he loses and then wins against in the rematch type of year?

Yeah, no.

I mean, everyone puts all that type of stuff out there in the internet.

They did it for

the first round series against Toronto with

Biz and his buddy Hockey Illuminati.

It's just people making up ways to hopefully help their team win.

But I don't see anything with it.

You know, different times, different players, different teams.

That stuff means absolutely nothing.

Obviously, it's good storylines and something to talk about.

I think when it comes down to it, it really doesn't mean anything.

And this Florida Panthers team, man, they know what they're doing.

They know how to play in these big games.

Obviously, Edmonton back in the finals as well.

But yeah, I just, I think that Florida is too deep, too big, too mean, and they're ready to roll.

So if we're comparing it to last year, that would be a pretty fair comparison, right?

Same two teams rematch.

Which team do you think improved the most over the last 12 months?

Honestly, I'd probably say Florida.

You know, there was a lot of talk with Edmonton getting a little bit older and a little bit slower, but those guys have helped them out a ton this year.

I think Corey Perry, 40 years old, I think this is his fifth or sixth Stanley Cup appearance.

I wouldn't even say that that's a bad thing for them.

Getting older and slower,

they're getting a lot of help from those guys.

But I think just what the moves that Florida made with bringing in a stud defenseman like Seth Jones and then

Brad Marchant, who's probably going to be a Hall of Famer and a guy that is built for playoff hockey and built the way that Florida has been playing the last few years.

So, in my opinion, I would say Florida got, you know, obviously they were really good last year and won it all, but I think they got even better and even deeper.

So, from like a nerd hockey perspective, I feel like I kind of understand Florida, but maybe you can explain it better.

Like, their strength is their depth and the fact that they are able to just keep on rolling lines and four-check the fuck out of you.

And you basically never feel like you have good good footing in an offensive set.

Is that fair to say?

Yeah, very fair.

And I don't even know if it's like a depth thing because every team's deep and has good players, and there's so many good players in the league.

I think it's more like I give a lot of credit to Sasha Barkov.

Like, if someone on his line goes out, they can bring a guy in from the stands, and he's going to look like he's been playing on his line all year.

It just goes to show how good Barkey is, and

you know, just a true hockey player where he just all he wants to do is make people around him better.

He's so unselfish, just won the Selkie, just won the leadership award as well.

So just a guy that has all the hardware and has nothing to prove in this game.

He's going to be a Hall of Famer.

But I think just what he does for his linemates and the guys that are playing with him to help them

be a better player, to help them get their success, because he honestly, like, he doesn't care about himself.

All he cares about is winning.

And, you know, you see, I I think it was two series ago, Boquist, who hadn't played at all, gets put on his line, and he had two goals.

And he looks like he was a first-line player.

So I think a lot of that credit should go to Barkey with how deep their team is, just because they can plug anyone in with him, and he's a horse, and

they can flourish with him.

I wanted to get your feedback on a very important issue to us as a podcast, the handshake line.

We love the handshake line, the best tradition in sports.

But there was some controversy about the handshake line in the Eastern Conference Finals.

Can you tell us, one, if we should be offended as handshake line guys, and two,

should coaches be in the handshake line?

Yeah, I think you should be offended.

And yes, coaches should be involved, I think.

I mean, obviously, I'm not a coach, and Paul Maurice has done it a lot longer than 90% of the guys in the league.

But

I just think that maybe he's downplaying how much that coaches mean to a team, especially during playoffs.

It's the hours that they're putting in,

the schemes that they're coming up with, the video that they're watching.

I think they deserve to be in there.

And whether you're winning a series or losing a series, going through that handshake line,

just what it means to

shake every guy's hand, look him in the eye, tell them either good luck or good series.

I think it's one of the best traditions in hockey, and

it shouldn't be taken away.

Yeah, I watch the games for the handshake line sometimes.

And to have the coaches just say, we're not a part of it.

Dude, you're part of it, you're part of this team.

I think he was saying that that coaches didn't used to be, but then they became part of the handshake line, and now they're trying to pull that back, and they're trying to say, No, we're not doing this anymore.

I say the more handshakes, the better.

Yeah, I do like how they only do it once.

Like, you never hate shaking hands after a regular season game.

It's kind of all hate till you know, that

seven-game series where guys are literally trying to kill each other and

to just show the amount of class that that guys have of going out there, shaking guys' hands, and

you know, what it means.

And, like, you guys, like, the fans love seeing it.

You know, you see these animals going to work every single night and trying to kill each other, and then they're just shaking hands and giving hugs and licking their wounds.

Did you ever get in a handshake line where you shook hands with someone and they're like, I don't really think they mean it, like, they're not respecting the handshake line?

No, not really.

My most favorite one is when

it was Montreal and Boston, and Milan Luchik

looked every single guy in the eye.

I think Montreal beat Boston.

He was like,

basically like, I'm going to kill you next game.

I'm going to kill you next game.

Look it up.

It's one of the most frightening things because he was like a bona fide monster.

Like he could, he could have beat up anyone and he'd scored 20, 30 goals a year.

So I think that one kind of sticks out the most, but I was never a part of anywhere there was any shenanigans going on.

Is it usually just guys being like, go win it all?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Usually, yeah, it depends.

Because

at the end of the day, if you do lose to a team, it looks better if that team that beat you goes on to win the Stanley Cup.

So you're probably rooting for them a little bit.

But yeah, it's usually the great series.

You know, during playoffs, you're mostly playing against the same guys.

You're matched up against the same guys.

So you see a lot of each other.

And,

you know, just

telling a guy great series, you know, you did a number on me, those type of things, it goes a long way.

I'm watching this video right now of Lucha.

He is just staring at every guy.

He's like, scary.

He's like, you're fucking dead.

You're fucking dead.

And the Canadians are just like, come on, guys, let's get through this line.

He's going to start a fight out here.

That guy rocks.

Yeah, he's the man.

Are you worried at all about Skinner?

starting to kind of stand on his head a little bit?

Because he has, he's had weird moments in these playoffs.

Obviously, they started down,

was it 02?

Did they start the whole playoffs?

Yeah, down 02.

Yeah, about against the Kings.

He had the buzzer beater goal with the Golden Knights series.

But in between that, he's been awesome.

Do you feel confident that Bob is going to outplay Skinner, or is there a chance that Skinner has another level to him?

I think

this layover is good for the Panthers.

I think, you know, worst case,

I think they might lose first game.

I think there's going to be a lot of goals.

So take the over first game.

Love that.

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but um yeah i i think that's gonna hurt them because i don't think skinner can turn it on like bob can i think you gotta have to be that that different type of animal that bob is where you know if he goes out on on wednesday uh tonight when the show is airing he he could give up six and then the next game give up none but so i think for oilers fans if skinner does go out and lay an egg uh you know tonight i think they could be in for a long series.

But I think Bob has the mental capacity to, if he does have a a bad game to shut it off and go on to the next one how much does conor mcdavid scare you because i mean that's obviously he's the best player in the world uh is there hockey's not like uh nba where it's like all right team with the best player is going to win it's more of a team sport but is there a world where you're like what if conor mcdavid just like plays out of his mind and and that that could be it

Yeah, and it does scare me a little.

I mean, obviously, he's been amazing this whole playoff series, but I mean, this whole playoffs, but remember, last year, I think he had 40 points, which is insane.

And,

you know, so there could be one of those series where he really just pops off and he's, you know, got 15 points by the end of this.

end of this series.

So that scares me a little bit because, you know, he's one of one where, you know, he's a guy that at any time can do whatever he wants on the ice.

He can, you know, score goals,

you know, make great plays.

And he's got a, you know, another another top five player in the league, Leon Dreisidel with him.

And then when they put those guys together, when they're down a goal or two, it's scary as an opposing team.

You know, you're going to get a lot of shots on you, a lot of time in your D zone.

But like we said earlier, with the, you know, with Bob, I think he's that guy in there that kind of settles the group a little bit.

And we talked to Sam Reinhart yesterday, and he's, you know, they play a

where they're D or up in the play, they're pinching, they're up in the offense, and, you know, they're willing to make some mistakes and give up some odd man rushes because they know they got Bob back there to settle them down and make big saves.

But yeah, Connor does scare me a little bit, you know, just with how good of a player he is.

But I think Florida has the guys that can control him.

All right, so play Devil's Advocate because obviously you're rooting for the Panthers.

What do the Oilers have to do to win this series?

Oh, man.

I think it has to be McDavid, the McDavid show.

I think he's got to put on a clinic.

I think he's,

you know, earlier you said you look at the history of when Sid and Wayne and, you know, those guys passing the torch.

I think for him to win this series,

he's got to be the guy all series and not have any shifts off because Florida is a team that doesn't take any shifts off.

Their big guys play hard every single night.

Even when Florida's big guys aren't scoring, like they're making plays defensively.

They're not giving up opportunities.

So I really really think for him, if they're going to win this, he's got to put on a show for the ages.

Do you think Flora's dirty?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I love that.

I mean,

it feels like they get under everyone's skin.

And do you think they'll not go like, well, yeah, they'll take runs at Conor McDavid in this series.

Yeah.

I mean, you look at last year, Sam Bennett and Conor McDavid grew up playing on the same team.

I think they're, you know, really good friends.

And, you know, Bennett's punching them in the face face after whistles.

They're getting under his skin.

And

especially in the Stanley Cup playoffs,

they call it North Bay rules because I guess there was a prison up in North Bay that there was no rules.

So they call it North Bay rules where it's just anything goes, got to find a way to win the game.

And Florida's done a really good job of that, but also staying out of the box, too, because Edmonton's a team.

If you get stuck on the PK all night, you're going to be losing a lot of games.

Yeah.

So in terms of just the style matchup between the two teams, who would you say on paper has the advantage given the brand of hockey that they play?

Probably say Florida.

I think home ice obviously is going to help Edmonton,

but Florida's been really good on the road, too.

So

I just, I really think that the way that Florida is built to play, they're built to play in the playoffs.

They're big, they're mean, they're fast, their D are huge.

You know, guys like Aaron Eckblad, Mikola, like these guys are 6'4 with massive,

wingspans that can eliminate you anywhere on the ice.

And, you know, so I just, I really think that their D

especially are just built for playoffs.

Like guys like Seth Jones, he's 6'4, probably 230, and just eliminates guys.

So

just, yeah, I would say Florida probably has the upper hand of the way that they're built.

All right.

I want to talk chiclets real quick because there's a storyline that came out this week.

It echoes, it's very NBA, actually.

I know you guys don't like to hear that.

But one of the stars of your show, Biz, revealed that he's actually been injured throughout the entire playoffs, that he's got gout.

How did Biz get gout?

He looks to be in pretty good shape.

Well, he told us last night, and I looked it up online,

he's eating 20 ounces of steak a night.

He's eating, he's eating

50, he's eating a 12-ounce steak for dinner, like a normal at seven o'clock.

At TNT, they treat you right.

Like they got runners taking, and he's getting it from Morton's or whatever.

Like, you know, they're loading it with butter and salt.

So, he's, yeah, he's getting, he's getting a 12-ounce steak at seven o'clock and then another eight-ounce steak at 10 o'clock, 11.

He's like, oh, I just want to, just because he doesn't eat a mashed potato with it, he thinks that he's doing the right thing.

But the guy is just such a dragon.

He sent a video walking through the airport the other day.

It was so fucking funny.

Like,

how do you eat that much steak?

And like, there's no, like, you shouldn't eat that in a month.

Like, right.

Two steaks eaten.

Mix in a chicken.

I would even eat.

One time.

I would even say if you eat 20 ounces of steak in one steak, that's different than having two separate servings of steak.

Yeah, because your body's like, okay, I'm in steak mode.

I'm going to process the steak.

But then, like, three hours later, his body's like, what the fuck, dude?

More red meat?

He's doing an encore of steak.

Dessert steak has never been done.

His body's trying to break down the first 12 ounces as

the next eight ounces are coming in.

And just, yeah, it's, he thinks because he, uh, he only eats steak and goes for hikes that he, that he's healthy.

But

to get gout not drinking is so unbelievable.

Like that, he's got to be the first guy in history to ever have that.

That's incredible.

And Biz is in relatively good shape.

He looks like he's still skinny.

Works out for him to get gout.

Yeah, it's like, maybe just only have one steak for dinner.

That's your prescription.

But

like everybody else in the world, maybe do it once a week, maybe twice a week.

Like, Morton's has chicken, Morton's has salmon.

Yeah.

They have salad.

You can get whatever you want there.

It's, he, I mean, you guys know him

as much as I do.

He, he's an excessive guy, and whatever he's going to do, he's going all in, and he's all in on the steak.

Was it kind of a pussy move for him to admit this before the cup finals?

Like, this is something you got to say after the cup finals.

Yeah, it just goes to his inexperience, right?

Like, he's a Toronto Maple Leafs fan.

They're not used to getting out of it.

Yeah, he's used to golfing right now.

So Andy said

he threw out his L5S1, which is a running joke with our group because he does more yoga than anyone.

He stretches all day.

Like if you ever see him.

Like during Survivor, they'd have like five-minute clips of him just stretching.

He does a whole routine in the morning.

It's crazy.

And he's still very unflexible.

It's probably because all the red meat, realistically,

he's turning into a cow.

I threw out a stat on PMT on Monday, and I wanted your take on it because you actually were teammates with him.

So, this is the 45th consecutive year that a player in the Stanley Cup final is a teammate of Yarmouth Yager.

You were a teammate of his.

Was he just the best dude ever?

It feels like he doesn't get talked enough about like being, you know, whatever we want to say, top 10 player of all time.

Also, seems like the best dude.

Was he just the best to be around?

I loved him.

He was, he, he was literally, he was like a kid that just loved hockey.

That's all, literally all he cared about was hockey.

He was at the rink.

You know, say you got to be there at 9 a.m.

He was probably there at like 6.30 and he'd go home, nap for a little bit, and then come back to the rink.

This is at home on the road.

Where the arena is in Fort Lauderdale, in Sunrise, no one lives around there.

Everyone lives in either Boca, Fort Lauderdale on the ocean.

He lived within walking distance of the arena just so he could be close to the rink so he could go there every time.

But he was such a treat, man.

Like just his love for the game, like to be, I think he was probably like 42 years old when I played with him and just how happy he was every day to be at the rink.

I'd bring like the way he used to snack on blueberry muffins or chocolate chip muffins.

And I'd get him a muffin every once in a while and he would love it.

He'd eat it in the back of the bus like he was hiding something.

But he was the best.

He also had some great mullets.

Did he still have the mullet when he played with you?

No, no, I wish.

That old school mullet that he had was so good coming out of the Jofa helmet.

Probably the worst helmet of all time, but he made it look good.

His hair at one point was like your lane, PFT.

Yeah, it was long.

And he had an aggressive mullet.

I mean, he cut that thing off like a 90-degree angle at the ears and just the waterfall in the back.

That to me, that's 1980s, early 90s hockey.

When I think of that, I think of Yager's mullet.

It was beautiful.

Yeah.

YouTube, some of the videos of him, like when he first came over to play for Pittsburgh, like

his first, I think one of the first things he bought was like a Gene Tuxedo because he just wanted to look like North American.

And like, he'd drive his portraits.

He used to get, he told me he got some crazy speeding tickets of just, you know, he was just a young stud in the NHL.

Just he was the best.

He deserves a lot of credit for how good Barkoff is because Barkov kind of gravitated towards him.

And then, you know, those guys would just go, go to the rink all day and put in work.

And I think that the work ethic that Barky has a lot comes from Yoggs.

Yeah.

I had a dumb thought the other day when I was watching hockey.

Do we underestimate how athletic the referees are in hockey?

So I was telling my buddies the other day, like down here in Florida, people don't know a ton about hockey, but the linesmen, the guys who are breaking up the fights and calling out, like, they're the strongest guys on the ice.

Like those guys grab you and it's like, oh, man, it's like your dad grabbing you when you're a kid.

it's scary like they're big they're all probably all the linesmen are probably six three six like i'd say six two to six four and massive men the the the refs are a little smaller um but very athletic you know skating without a stick is like for me if i'm skating without a stick you feel naked like you don't know what to do and the way that they skate around the ice and you know with four of them on the ice now too that there's not a lot of room for them to move they're always in a good position um Yeah, the refs don't get a lot of love.

So, you know, you got to give them, and then you see the one of the Chickarooney took a stick to the eye this year.

He'll be doing the finals.

He's one of the best in the game.

You know, comes back a week early.

I texted him a day or two.

He's like, I'll be back.

I'll be back.

Like these guys take it serious, man.

They love the game just as much as the players do.

They take a lot of pride in what they do.

you know hopefully that gets florida some good calls this series and they don't come off the ice that's crazy yeah like we always say like David David, he comes off the ice all the time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Even go public skating for 60 minutes straight or even, you know, 20 minutes.

They get a rest in between the periods.

But if you're standing up the whole time, like you're like, I don't know how goalies do it.

I would take a knee every single time out.

If I was a goalie down the other end, I don't know how they stand that long.

They're just well-oiled machines, all the refs and goalies.

Yeah.

All right.

Last question.

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i think it's gonna go six um

i think they steal one on the road early uh and take care of business at home and then you know win it at home i think winning at home uh game six would be huge uh

you know a lot of that comes from I don't want to go to Edmonton for game seven.

I think we'd have to go for that.

So I'm really, really praying it's in game six.

Yeah.

Do you have a mayor's bet with Whitney?

A mayor's bet?

Spin Chiefless Mayor's bet?

Yeah.

No, we actually should.

You guys got any ideas?

Let's see.

You could give him some, what's big in South Florida?

Tucsi.

Yeah.

You give him some Tussie, and then if the Panthers win, he has to just tweet Conor McDavid is a fraud.

Ooh, he would never do that.

You would never do that.

He might kill me by the end of this series i know i honestly think i i i think he wants you dead at some point like if you're in in

i don't know i don't know if you bet on them or not

i didn't i'm gonna put some major money on the oilers i told him so i i i figured it out like i was obviously busting his balls because we were texting about the dallas series and he's like you're rooting for dallas i was like no dude i'm i'm rooting for the oilers because i want them to lose in the final um and so and he like said i was like i might even just bet on him.

And he got very mad at me.

I was like, you know what?

I think this is actually where the line is.

Like, I'm not going to bet on them because he, that it might actually break up our friendship.

So I'll go up to that line, but I'm not going to bet on the Oilers.

I'm going to watch it as a fan.

I'm going to bet over in game one.

But yeah, he's, he might just take out all his anger on me.

Me and Big Cat, this is an exclusive.

We have been named to be fan ambassadors for the Edmonton Oilers.

Wow.

Yeah, which is huge.

So now we're basically, I'm pretty much part of the team.

That's huge.

You guys should go to the Moss Pit.

What's the Moss video?

Well, we know what the Moss Pit is.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

The Moss Pit.

I'll tell the listeners.

Yeah, Liv Moss.

You tell the listeners.

It's a pit outside of their arena with a statue of Joey Moss, who was a guy that worked the visitor's room for a long time.

He had Down syndrome.

He was the best guy ever.

And I believe Wayne was the one who had him there.

So he was there forever.

And he passed away, but they have a section outside of the arena where fans can watch the game all together.

And

it's a gong show out there.

And then even if they win, win or lose, they're fighting after the game.

They just get into these absolute scraps.

It'll be two guys in a

Conor McDavid jersey just blasting each other.

It's so good.

And you know, at the end of it, they're like, oh, good game.

Shake hands.

See you later.

Unless they're coaches.

But

it's, yeah, it's amazing.

But yeah, that's awesome.

You guys are ambassadors.

Didn't Dave

win in six?

Yeah, yeah.

So, so here's my if it does go to seven, he's going to be rooting for Florida, right?

Because he won't get, he'll be so pissed.

Yeah, so that's kind of the only reason I hope it goes to seven so he can get all over Wit for that and be in Wits here.

But Wit's a good fan.

He's a

he's a really good fan, and he played for the team.

That was my only gripe with Biz, with Toronto.

Like, He never played for the team.

He never even played against them.

Never mind.

Played for it.

And Witt also, he's been riding hard.

I know this is going to sound really silly, but

if like the puck drop for the Eastern time zone in the playoffs is so fucking late.

And he's just, like, he's said it to us, like, he just doesn't sleep during the playoffs.

But he's there.

He's doing spaces in between periods.

He's as diehard as it gets.

So, yeah,

I'm not going to push it too far and bid on the Oilers, but I am going to be

watching and

I'm going to be having fun.

I'm going to have fun.

I'm going to watch as a fan.

Hell yeah.

You should come down to Florida for a game.

No, well, Marlon's man, you got your seats with him.

And all his cats.

Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah.

PFT's mom.

No, she's not going down there.

The seats are for his cats.

He owns cats, but he rents pussy.

Yeah.

All right, Yans, you're the best.

Everyone tune in to Spit and Chicklets All Stanley Cup final.

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Okay, Hank, FAQ time.

Let's do it.

With Mount Rushmore season upon us, will the teams be the same this year?

Will there be any twists?

Love you guys.

Thanks for providing content that helps AWS get through our lives and distract us from hard times.

Oh, appreciate that.

Good question.

We were just talking about this today.

Yeah, we're

thinking through some things.

I think we have a, should we just say the idea?

Because it doesn't matter.

It won't ruin anything.

Yeah, first I think, I think Zach might be involved.

Yeah, Zach might be involved.

So there's six of us.

So I think we're going to do teams of two, three teams of two.

And what we're going to do for a PM TV episode, we're all going to sit in the conference room and do a Mount Rushmore draft that then we put out the poll.

And then we'll just, whoever finishes first will be linked up with the sixth place person.

And that might be how we decide the teams.

But I'm excited for Mount Rushmore's season.

Zach, what do you know about Mount Rushmore season?

So I would assume Mount Rushmore being the four prominent presidents in the Mount Rushmore there.

Yep.

We're doing seasons based on such.

Yep.

This is some context clicking.

And then where are we going back from there?

Yeah.

Okay.

You can move your body.

That's actually

got you.

My bad.

So Zach.

It's good.

It's good figuring that out.

So

the three operative words are Mount Rushmore season.

Season, yes.

And so, you broke down Mount Rushmore and then you described what a season was pretty good.

What do you think we do during Mount Rushmore season?

I would assume

picking out your Mount Rushmores or seasons, not seasons regarding to like winter, fall, spring, anything like that, the upcoming season of play.

Okay, so what we do is

close.

Yeah, you're close.

I'm really close.

You know what Mount Rushmore is, you know what seasons are, so that's a good building block.

You're on the block.

But what we do is during the summer, when there's no

nfl nba or nhl going on is we have a topic on every show and we have to submit our four best picks like the four presidents on mount rushmore that fit that category so it would be like mount rushmore of the best nfl head coaches of all time And then you'd have to figure out if you were to make that Mount Rushmore, whose faces would you put on?

It's oftentimes way more dumb than what, like, yellow things was a big one last year.

Yeah, give us your four top yellow things.

Four top yellow things.

Banana would be huge.

Usually the big rafts at water parks are yellow.

Yep.

Oh, that's a good one.

Love a good yellow raincoat.

Yep.

Also love,

you know, sometimes the casino yellow chips be in a decent amount.

At a hard rock, they're like, I think in the

1000s might be a natural.

You might be ready.

What's on your Mount Rush more pizza toppings?

Pizza toppings.

1-1, I'm probably going to go sausage,

pepperoni,

ham,

olive, double olive?

No vegetables, top four.

All right.

All right.

All right.

So we've got sausage, pepperoni, ham.

Finish us off.

Bacon would be.

Yeah.

Bacon.

That's a really, really good Mount Rush.

I've got all those four.

It's good.

Yeah.

What about

Mount Rushmore, Green Things?

Mount Rushmore, Green Things.

I'm going to go

stream bean casserole.

Ooh, okay, maybe not.

That's not bad.

Oh, they got the onions on top.

It doesn't count.

My value.

No, it's more than just a terrible pick.

Oh, fair.

Super fair.

Yeah, definitely.

You got different green things than me.

I'm going to go two would be Xbox.

Three would be.

He's right on that.

The green rings.

Yeah.

Yeah, their whole branding is green, super green.

Three, I'm going to go with

a nice green pasture.

Love a good field.

Love good sighting of grass.

And four, I'm going to go palm tree.

I love palm trees.

Money didn't make the cut.

It's it could be all rounded out top, maybe top ten, yeah.

okay green jacket st.

Patrick's Day

top 15 green jacket st.

Patrick's Day is a great pick that's fantastic pick thanks okay you're ready you're ready you're so ready love you Zach yeah love you too you're so ready all right Hank what's the next one

hey big cat PFT King Hank and the guy who won't ever win the lottery ball if you could take someone in PMT's talent whose talent would you take and what talent would the talent be

I know I mean PFT playing guitar ought to be mine Yeah.

Maybe Hank's leaping ability.

Memes' memes ability.

Like, a knowledge of the internet.

You know what I would say?

It's pretty high up there.

It is.

But it's also kind of.

I feel like you have that.

Not to memes' level.

He might be too knowledgeable.

Yeah, memes has everything.

He literally just like.

But that's not something I would take something

in the internet run.

I would take something that I have zero of and a super edition.

You have knowledge of the internet.

You would just be slightly upgrading.

So why would you take PFT's driving ability?

Because I'd rather, I can't.

That's the same thing.

I can drive.

It would just be a slight upgrade.

I'd rather go from zero to 100.

Are you talking about a car?

No, that would be a major downfall.

For a second, I thought that's what the cat was getting.

I would probably take Max's singing ability.

People don't know that Max.

Max, he's got some pipes.

Very good singer.

I mean, PFT's guitar is just the answer.

Yeah, it is.

Or maybe

flying.

Plane flying.

Simulating?

Yeah, you take my ability to pretend to fly a plane flying.

Correct.

Yeah, I'm pretty fucking good at that.

Okay.

Max's hot dog catching ability.

Yeah.

Facts.

Last one.

Longtime AWL, first time caller.

One question.

Fuck Mary kill JOC Wit Rosillo.

Oh,

that is so easy.

Okay.

You go ahead.

Yeah, hey, speak for us.

Fuck Rosillo.

Okay.

Good-looking dude.

I'd marry Witt.

Just golf all the time, sit you with guys.

Yeah, but when you go golfing, you do that to get away from your wife, right?

No.

I'd love to marry a girl who likes to golf.

And I'd kill JOC.

Happily.

Because you could then.

I see what you're doing.

No comment.

You're getting the competition out of the way.

No comment.

No comment.

No comment.

We're in peace times.

So what would you do?

We're in peacetime.

I think I would probably marry

This is good.

Keep going because we'll all do different answers.

And get mad.

I think I would kill Rosillo and I would fuck Whitney.

The ears are good.

You could hold on.

Roblox earrings, yeah.

You can hold on to those ears, yeah.

So I would marry Rosillo.

What's the combo that I need to do here?

You would kill J.O.C.

No, fuck J-O-C.

You've already killed J.O.C.

So you're killing Whitney, which works for this moment.

Yeah.

Also, you saying you'd kill Rosso, like, sorry, dude, you're dead.

Because he's going to hear that and be like, oh, PFT thinks he could take me.

He's got to defeat me.

For the record,

it makes sense because he's mad at you right now.

Yeah, well,

he's coming on Friday.

He's mad at me for fair reasons.

I might have said

when he claimed that I was rooting against the Oilers against the Dallas Stars, I said, actually, that's not true.

I'm rooting for the Oilers to beat the Dallas Stars and then lose in tragic fashion in the Stanley Cup final.

He said that was sick, twisted, deranged.

All fair.

So, really, actually, Whitney and I aren't in a beef.

Everything he said, I agree with.

So, you're on his side.

I'm on his side so much so.

So, if he hates you, then he's actually hating himself.

Right, and also hating the Oilers.

Yep.

Yeah.

I'm so on his side.

But yeah, he's going to come on after game one for Friday.

We'll hash it all out.

I'll be honest.

Any of those three guys, catches.

Oh, I love them.

I mean, are those the three top guys in terms of guest appearances?

Titus might be the only other one in there.

I don't know.

Yeah.

We do this all the time.

Yeah, we do do this all day.

Whitney's number one.

Titus is two.

Titus is two.

But Russilla's got to be up there, and so does JOC.

I love all three of those guys.

Fucking love them.

Not Titus, just so we're clear.

I feel like JOC.

I'm talking about Whitney.

He's been on a run.

I also love Titus.

Before we do numbers, real quick.

Wait, what is it?

You have it?

We do this all the time.

Yeah, this is all good.

Zach, real quick.

this show is going to go out on Wednesday morning.

By the time the show is out, you're going to be waking up to the biggest day of your life.

Do you have any predictions or thoughts about your delivery of ice cream to this office, which will take place on Wednesday?

The prediction is satisfied customers.

Okay.

For the ice cream delivery.

Because Hank took a video of you

and Jacob, the other part of the cream team, being talked to by the technician, and you guys took no notes for two hours.

I didn't want to be rude and pull the phone out right in front of Mr.

Eric because he was doing such a great job explaining the process of cleaning and disassembling the machine.

As soon as we were done with the live demonstration, I went straight to the notes app and put some spark notes in.

Give us two notes.

I can do that.

One, you're going to want to make sure that you lube the drive shafts, but not the hex bolt at the end.

And then also, when you put that front face on for the drawer, you need to keep a steady hand on it so your seals don't fall because you don't want to leak.

Okay, so this guy, that what he just said,

he's the one who's standing between us and Listeria.

But I was very impressed with him.

I was just recalled that off the top of his head.

He's ready to go.

Yeah.

Do you have photographic memory?

No, not close.

No, sir.

It was all filmed, so technically you can go back and watch Tate

on what the guy, the man was saying, Mr.

Eric.

I heard

a little rumor from Mincy that the toppings might not be ready for Thursday or for Wednesday.

Yeah.

That might get pushed back.

We can't have the ice cream grand opening without the toppings.

Well, we can.

I think we're going to have.

It's not the toppings because Mincey

did not invent how to buy like Reese's and crush them up.

It's the free toppings holder that he is holding us up with.

So we will make do.

So Mincey will go out, buy the toppings, and then Mincey will crush them up.

No, I don't want him touching any of our food.

I think Zach will do that.

The toppings toppings have been secured.

The holder, we can work out.

That's going to be a great display and a great way for self-service toppings.

You want to fluctuate how much you want to do, but you're going to have toppings for ice cream tomorrow.

Zach, before tomorrow, I really, tonight you got to go OG, run the ball, Green Bay Power Sweep, do the traditional McDonald's dinner.

You have to have all your energy for tomorrow.

It's only right.

It also feels like

it's a good call.

Yeah, I agree.

Zach, have you tried the Fries Well Done thing?

I did.

Yeah, I did.

So the other day, I'm going to tell you, I did go to the Small Shore Valley, tried the Fries Well Done.

I went one regular, one well done.

I did enjoy the well done because they're a little hotter than the regular.

So it almost felt like they came a little bit fresher.

I appreciate the recommendation very much.

Yeah, a little life action.

Huge.

It was.

It was great.

All right.

Good show, boys.

Let's do numbers.

33.

That's memes.

That was memes.

77.

6.

11.

99.

Pug.

90.

85.

95.

Zach's also.

26.

One for one on his tasks.

21.

Oh, he got new headphones.

Got new headphones.

Nice work.

Memes, what was the number you guessed on Monday?

Zach gets things done.

We have six.

Okay, great.

I have six.

Zach, you're at 55.

71.

Oh, what'd you have?

77.

Oh, not that close.

Well, the one looks like 75.

You want to do one more?

Yeah.

Let's do one more.

Let's go, boys.

Same numbers.

Or should I say the word again and we all.

Okay.

What word?

3.

Oh, that was PFT.

I'll go 11.

6.

Come on, 3.

66.

74.

99, Pro.

53.

44.

21.

What was that number, Zach?

53.

Memes, what was your number?

11.

What did you say?

Did I say 74?

What did I say?

Did you say 74?

This is 74.

I said 70.

No, no, no, no.

I said 70 something.

I actually can't remember.

You said 70.

This is a.

Did you say 74?

I think I said 74.

Everyone's

in the booth and cannot.

I said 66.

I'm pretty sure I said 74.

Hank, what do you think?

This will be the least.

You said 74.

No.

No,

he said 77 last time.

I'm pretty sure I said 76.

Can someone go listen back?

Go, Shane.

Give us a ruling.

We're going to VAR.

We're going to VAR.

We're going to VAR.

Where are you going, Hank?

He's got a P.

Hank's got a P.

You can't take a P during this.

I'm going to suspend myself for one lottery ball if I'm wrong.

That's it.

But you think that you got it?

I think I said 74.

You got to know your number.

I know.

There's so many numbers.

But you just have to remember the one that you said.

No, but this is fair.

If he's saying that maybe

there's a punishment if you get it wrong.

Yeah.

That's fair.

What happens to memes if the if well, I mean, I've already gotten it.

It's waste.

I know, but.

Could anything worse happen to him?

Yeah.

I really, I want, I need Zach to get it bad.

Oh, so bad.

That's what I'm rooting for.

Yeah.

Zach, it's not hard.

How about Zach gets your number?

I think memes is coming soon.

Three's going to hit.

No, no, no.

No, no, no, no, no, Zach.

All right, that was the first mistake you've made.

That was the first mistake.

You're kind of patronizing, which I appreciate.

Was that a patronizing?

You think memes is going to get it?

No, I think statistically, if you keep riding three, it's going to hit.

You'd think so.

Yeah!

Let's go.

Shane's shit.

74 in your face, memes.

Congrats, big cats.

B-A-R.

B-A-R comes through.

Memes, look at me.

Do you see how fucking easy it is, dude?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's all Shane's fault.

Why is it Shane's fault?

He's copying everybody's glasses.

Wait, what?

We got a glass it?

Do we have a controversy in the booth?

Memes just did like five Shane insults in a row.

I like this.

Like, so many.

We have so many dudes in a booth right now.

So many.

Five dudes in a booth.

Zach, are you Italian?

There's six, by the way.

Not super sure on lineage.

Six.

I didn't even see wiper.

Count it.

No way.

74.

Memes.

Dude, isn't it crazy that he can't get this?

What are you pointing at?

It's so easy.

I'm pointing at you.

Yeah, Hank got it.

I was pointing at.

Not only that, but I just got the first ever VAR,

and nobody's gotten it.

What?

Big hat got it.

Nobody else has gotten it.

I've gotten it like five times.

You guys are just living in the past.

That was like my third time.

And I just did, I also just got the first ever VAR.

Nobody else has gotten it in the past.

What?

I've gotten it in the past.

No, yeah.

I've gotten in the past.

Actually, you gotta have a lot of stuff Everyone has gotten it.

I've got it a couple times.

This is like the Super Bowl all over again.

That was so far ago.

I got it a couple times.

I literally got it.

No, no, congrats to you.

Nobody else has gotten it.

Hank, did you?

Also, not sure.

In the past five minutes.

Did you know that Shane's stealing people's glasses?

Yeah.

We got a problem in the past.

He's copying.

PFT.

Have you gotten the lottery ball?

I've gotten it twice.

Oh, okay, good.

Look at all our boys with their headphones on.

And glasses.

I don't know.

We got five minutes.

No, you just copy it.

It's blue light.

Oh, those are.

Yeah, actually, yeah.

Yeah, you know what, Shane?

That's fucked up.

You would buy glasses.

I can't believe they made more than one pair of those glasses.

That was a joke in your defense, Shane.

Oh, thank you.

All right.

Love you guys.

We do.

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