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We're talking hockey with our guy, Biz Paul Bissinet, after his Leafs lose in game seven, previewing the conference finals.

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We also have our good friend, Chris Berman, the Schwamm, on the show to check in with him because he just signed his new deal at ESPN and he's going to be there for 50 years.

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We talk a little football with him, a little golf, great catching up with him.

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Today is Wednesday, May 21st,

and the Oklahoma City Thunder are going to win the NBA title.

You're probably right, but that doesn't mean I have to like it, big cat.

Yeah,

I have to like it.

Yeah, the game started.

It was very funny that the game started, and I think SGA had seven free throws in the first quarter.

I want to hear what you have to say because I agree with a lot of what you're about to say.

But let me just say this first.

Oklahoma City's defense is very fucking good.

They're elite.

They pack the paint so well.

They make you take threes.

They close out on those threes.

The Wolves could not hit a three to save their life.

I don't know if the Wolves' strategy of having their bench shoot 28 threes and hit like three of them is sustainable.

Actually, I know it's not sustainable, but that is a lot of credit to the Oklahoma City Thunder defense.

Their defense is so goddamn good.

And Chet Holmgren, I feel like is going up another level.

The way he was playing in the fourth quarter, how he impacts everything, he is so good.

Their team is so good.

Their defense is so good.

They don't have a weak link on defense.

And yeah, SGA, the floor is yours, PFT.

Okay, so you're right.

Credit to the Thunder.

I think the Thunder are a good team.

I think SGA is a phenomenal basketball player.

I think he's an awesome basketball player.

But he doesn't have to do this shit.

He doesn't have to do it.

It pisses me off watching him play.

It pisses me off when they show the replays.

I have to watch the foul baiting like three times in a row where I have to see the same non-foul three times.

You force the opposing coach to decide, like, do I want to use a challenge right now on this?

Or do I want to wait until later on in the game?

Yeah, they would have won the game no matter what.

They were the much better team tonight.

But it pisses me off.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.

And I don't feel like being silent because it pisses me off watching SGA play.

And Doris Burke is compromised too.

She was like complimenting the foul baiting that he was doing.

He just leans into people at the last minute and then falls down.

And to his credit, he's very good at hitting these off-balance shots as he's flopping.

He practices those and he's very good at it.

And so you have to like take your hat off and be like, that was a really good shot that you made when your body was like completely parallel to the floor as you were falling down because you didn't get touched.

That one he made on the baseline in the fourth quarter where he was literally on the floor and

he got

fouled in that.

No,

it's similar to the start of the playoffs when I said the same thing about Jalen Brunson.

SGA is probably worse than Jalen Brunson, but

they're such good basketball players, and it's so annoying to have to watch that style of basketball.

And I feel like Jalen Brunson actually has kind of like not done it as much, and he's been so clutch and in such tight games.

But SGA is

the number one.

He's taking the mantle from James Harden.

He's the number one foul baiter and he's so good.

But

it's partially rules.

Like it's got to, something's got to change because, and maybe this will be, if they win the title, which I think they will, because I think they're the best team, maybe something changed because it is not fun to watch.

when he is doing the foul baiting thing.

And he is such a good player.

He's about to win MVP and deservedly so.

But it's still, you can say those two things at the same time.

You can say SGA is an incredible, incredible basketball player.

I don't enjoy watching it.

Yeah, and if you're a Thunder fan, you have to defend your guy.

I get it.

You're going to hate what I have to say about SGA.

Like, I'm attacking your guy.

So, yeah, I'll be the bad guy in this situation.

But also, everybody else thinks that it sucks to watch him.

Everybody else that watches it,

it's very tough to get through, again, the foul where you're like, wait, what did they just call?

And then two replays from different angles that you watch, and you get progressively angrier as they keep showing these replays.

I don't know what they can do.

Maybe it's like in hockey where, yeah,

you've got penalties, you've got whistles, but in the playoffs, you lose those whistles a little bit.

Yeah, well,

you know what?

You know what the shittiest part is?

It's very similar to like the Jalen Brunson thing where we, when it, when it happens in a bad way, it takes away from how incredible Jalen Jalen Brunson is, how clutch he is.

When SGA does this, it takes away from how great the Thunder are as a team, just because it's aesthetically not a fun watch.

And like that second half, the Thunder just suffocated the Wolves.

The Wolves were terrible.

I don't think they had a single transition point the entire game.

Like I said, they basically were like, go ahead, shoot these threes, and they'll probably make some threes.

They'll have a game where they make some threes.

So there'll be at least a little drama in this series.

But I don't know

the Thunder's defense, there just is no hole.

And I do not know how you, like, it's a nightmare series for Ant.

It's, it's going to, I mean, Julius Randle got hot for a little bit there in the first half.

We're like, okay, maybe he can carry him.

I think if you took away Julius Randall's threes, I was looking at it.

I think if you took away his three-pointers, the rest of the team went 10 for 45.

That's pretty bad.

That's pretty bad.

And it's, again, it's by design.

They don't let you score.

20 points in the paint was the lowest amount of points in the paint for the Timberwolves this year.

The Timberwolves have to get out in transition.

They have to get in the paint.

They have to let Ant go downhill.

And the Thunder just do not allow that because their defense is so goddamn good.

Yeah, there was absolutely no cutting to the basket.

So they didn't even get the opportunity because the defense was so good.

They didn't even get the opportunity to get a lot of those fouls and the end ones that Oklahoma City was getting.

There were virtually no fast break points for the Timberwolves tonight either.

It was, yeah, it was a dominant performance by the Thunder for sure.

And also, yes, Julius Randle, great in in the first half.

I think the Wolves are still going to get a couple games out of this because

he went down the first half, sprained his ankle again, came back.

Very, very tough performance on his part to come back and still have some of the explosiveness that he normally does.

If he gets healthy in this series, I think it'll be competitive.

It's not going to be as lopsided as it was tonight.

But as of tonight, the Thunder, clearly, the better.

I mean,

we spent several years being like, I wish teams would stop just taking threes and dunking and then the Thunder do it.

And we're like, no, not like this.

Yeah, well, like this.

I mean, I don't want to overreact to one game, but this was the game that it felt like the Wolves would have had their best leg up because you had the Thunder playing in a game seven two days ago.

They came out a little slow.

Like, the Wolves kind of jumped on them.

But that second half, it was maybe it was the kisses that SGA got from his kid at halftime.

Do you see that?

They also, I think everyone should just,

we're going to be the first to report it.

Breaking Moose.

Is Hank here?

Hank's here.

He was in the breaking moose.

Breaking Moose.

SGA.

Go ahead, Hank.

SGA

is cousins with Nikhil Alexander Walker.

I don't know if you heard that.

I don't know if you heard that.

I don't know if you heard that.

Here's the other thing, PFT.

So they brought that up a million times.

It was the Kershaw Stafford thing.

I have a a take on the,

because I agree with everything you said about SGA.

And it's, again, it's just the

extreme foul baiting is just not fun basketball to watch.

That's just what it comes down to.

And everyone knows it when they see it.

And it goes game to game.

It can be one game on, one game off.

But when it happens, it sucks.

Here's what also

I was thinking about it because I don't know if you noticed, like, it didn't feel like the Thunder crowd had a lot of juice, but I think they did.

I think the ESPN just turns down their mics so much that they do them disservice because you could see moments when it was like popping and you're like, oh, that they are loud.

This is a loud crowd.

So I'm not going to.

I think, I think OKC was loud.

I think the ESPN, for some reason, they do this with hockey too, where they turn down the crowd.

It's like, I want to hear the crowd.

I also,

the booth, the Richard Jefferson, Doris Burke, there's not a lot of aura.

I'm sorry.

I'm just smashing the aura button on everything.

Yeah, but I'm smashing it.

We like RJ.

I like Doris Burke as a team.

It just doesn't feel big game-ish.

It just, I don't know.

It's like, but let Mike Breen just do it himself.

It just didn't feel something was off, and it was like all the pieces, the crowd being low, SGA foul baiting.

That booth just didn't, it didn't feel what I needed to feel for a Western Conference final game one.

Yeah, and like, I agree.

I've watched maybe, I think five or six Thunder games in the regular season before the playoffs started.

And I, for some reason, I don't have a problem with SGA when he does this in the regular season.

It's fine.

But in the playoffs, it's like, come on, man, this really pisses me off.

James Harden used to do it.

I mean, there's a lot of guys have done this.

And a lot of guys get criticized for it.

It just is what it is.

Like, guys have that in their game where they just, they go to the hoop and they try to get their, their initial, they're not trying to score as much as they're trying to get contact.

Yeah.

Did you see that ESPN did a horoscope reading of the NBA playoffs?

No.

This is real deep stuff.

Real deep stuff.

So they predicted the Pacers and the Thunder based on everybody's horoscope signs going on.

Oh, yeah.

So I might have missed that because I want to shout out our guy.

So

maybe I'll give the main booth a chance again, but I'm going to recommend it.

And this is, yeah, this is partially biased because he is our guy.

But Legler and Goldsbury were were on ESPN too.

Watched the second half on that.

Great watch.

Great watch.

Yeah, I would check that out.

You're right.

There were several times in the broadcast tonight where I was just,

I wanted to pretend like this game was closer than it was.

And a good announcement booth will do that.

They'll bring some like, you know, they'll make it a big moment, even when it might not be.

This one, it felt like it was a, yeah, I was watching the circus.

And it's, it's, I mean, it happens all the time in announcing booths.

It's like, you can tell when they're not, they don't have a ton of chemistry rapport years of rapport together the the jeff van gundy mark jackson booth as i know we made fun of it but like they they genuinely made each other laugh and they genuinely like to be around each other i feel like this is more they're just going and punching a clock so whatever i'm maybe they'll get better uh but it was a weird it was a weird clunky game and then it was also a game where the thunder it looked like it was going to be a tight game and then the thunder were just so much better in the second half than the the Timberwolves, and it was, it was easy.

Like it was just,

once they, the Thunder have done this, I don't know how many times there's, I think it's probably half of their playoff games, it feels like they've been able to empty their bench at the end of the game, like in a playoff game, and it's because they're so good.

And when they hit that turbo button and their defense feeds into their offense and they get, you know, multiple stops in a row on the defensive side, because this game was close and then it just wasn't.

You blinked and it wasn't.

It was like, oh, yep, this game's over.

They're going to cover and they're going to win by a lot.

Yeah, I actually do think that the Wolves are going to win two, maybe three games.

I think that that's possible.

I know it doesn't feel like it after what we just watched tonight, but I mean, crazy shit happens in the playoffs.

I think so.

So it was one game, it was dominant.

The Thunder defense was really, really good.

Like when we watched game one of the Thunder and the Nuggets in the last series, we were like, oh shit.

the Thunder are in real deep trouble here because they're not going to be able to do anything on the inside against that.

Things happen over the the course of a seven-game series.

So it'll even out a little bit, I think.

But I think

they need to get Ant healthy.

That would be a problem if his ankle lingered on for a little bit.

Max,

what's the injury prognosis?

I think you probably have the exact same ankle injury that Ant has.

You know, it's one day, one day of a tough walk, and then, you know, you're fine.

You're fine.

Tape it up.

They probably got better painkillers than me.

He'll be fine.

Yeah.

I mean, you're fine.

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Uh, speaking of games that there are series that are not gonna change, uh,

the Panthers are so good.

They're so good.

And we're going to talk to Biz about all hockey, but they're so good.

And this,

I don't think, because it's similar.

Like, the Panthers go from a game seven.

They go from Toronto to Carolina.

This is where you can get them.

And it wasn't even, it wasn't a doubt.

Like,

what was the final score?

I turned it off.

Yeah, it was 5-1

5-2.

And

the first goal that Carolina scored was

he kicked it in.

He did like a back kick.

This just reminds me,

remember, this is from last year of the series

when their coach said

after getting swept by the Panthers, I believe it was last year, right, Memes?

I think they swept him last year.

I'm going to look it up.

I'm looking at a stat that matters here, Big Cat.

If you want to talk about shots on goal, if you're a Carolina Hurricanes fan, the Carolina Hurricanes had 33 shots on goal, and the Florida Panthers had 20 shots on goal.

So you guys won the shots on goal.

Yeah, shots on goal is huge.

Matters.

Shots on goal is huge.

Here, filibuster real quick.

Hank, are you here?

How are you doing, Hank?

Yeah, I've been here the whole time.

What's up, boys?

What did you think about the Thunder game?

They took over.

They dominated.

Good second half.

I was doing a stream for a majority of it, but.

What do you think about SGA?

Foul baiting.

Not fun to watch.

Unethical.

Yeah.

What is this?

Where are you going with this?

I'm not going anywhere.

It was two years ago.

I'm going somewhere.

When the Panthers swept the Hurricanes, remember, and their coach said,

that's the unfortunate part of this.

People are going to look back, and everyone's going to say, you got swept.

That's not what happened.

I watched the game.

I'm there.

I'm cutting the game.

We're in the game.

It could have been four games the other way.

They did get swept, but that wasn't what happened.

But it feels like this might be the same thing where Hurricanes are going to have to be like, I swear we didn't get swept.

Did you see what happened at the, I think it was like 10 minutes into the third period where Gattespear took that shot from like the opposite end of the ice and tried to hit Marshawn with it?

Yeah, because he got a Marshawn got in a fight.

They got a little brew ha ha.

Yeah.

At least we've got some intrigue.

Now we've got some real bad blood between the teams.

Yeah.

The Panthers bring the bad blood out of anyone.

That's just what they do.

They're dirty.

But like in the that's a compliment when I say it about the Panthers.

They're a big bunch of assholes.

That's how, yeah, that's how

playoff hockey should be.

Absolutely.

Hank.

Yes.

So we're going to kick it back to ourselves in the studio and we're going to talk some Jordan and some Bill Belichick.

Oh, do we want to do predictions for the Knicks Pacers series?

Did we already do them?

Yeah, we did.

We did.

I think I just said game seven.

I'd like to change my pick, though, before it starts.

I can do that, right?

Yeah.

I think I said Pacers in seven.

I'm going to say Knicks in seven now.

Oh.

Because I just found out that the Pacers are changing their uniforms.

They're getting off the City Connects.

That was NBA League mandate.

Yeah.

The NBA said you can't do that.

You have to go to your core colors.

So we've been demanding that they get off the City Connect jerseys, but now that they actually did it, I'm like, wait, they won a lot of playoff games wearing those alternate uniforms.

Yeah, but again, I feel like it's different that the NBA mandated it versus the Pacers doing it in free will.

So they're going to be upset that they're not playing in the City Connect.

Right.

There's nothing they can do.

Their hands are tied.

The NBA, correct move by the NBA to be like, you have to wear the real jerseys.

Yeah.

All right.

Before we kick it to ourselves, Hank, you great stream tonight.

Thank you.

Why are you nervous?

Because you called me and were like, I have a question.

I was like, what is it?

You're like, I can't tell you.

Yeah.

So I've been thinking about what the question could be for 20 minutes.

Okay, but why didn't I just, I could have just asked you on the

well, yeah, no, hand up.

I told you.

We decided to do this stream, which we had to break Scotty Scheffler's Sunday round.

And however many times it took us to do it was how long the stream was going to go.

So, I was planning on just being on a stream till 4 a.m.

So, I assumed you know, I was not going to be able to make the

first 10 minutes of the show.

We finished early, everyone was so happy, like, we're going to get dinner.

I was like, I'm in.

I literally, until you texted, like, I we were sitting down for dinner and you're like, send the draftings out.

I was like, oh no, I forgot it's Tuesday.

Oh, no, I do part of my take.

Well, no, but you know what I'm saying.

Like, I like it in 90, like,

we were dialed.

We had some clutch-clutch shots to beat minus, we were minus two or minus one.

But

if the stream was still going, I obviously was not going to be on this part of the show.

Right.

If anybody out there is like, Hank, cares more about golf than about the podcast.

I didn't want to do that.

I didn't want to do it.

Oh, my God.

This is crazy.

I'm more shadowing too.

I think honest mistake, Hank.

Honest mistake, honest mistake.

But you're here now, so it doesn't matter.

All's good.

Yeah, I was here the whole time.

Yeah, you were here the whole time.

Um, Hank, here's my question, and maybe we can put in the video.

Do you think we could put this video into the YouTube?

Do you think we put this video in the YouTube?

No, so for the listeners, no, probably,

go watch the video, go watch the YouTube to see what I'm talking about.

For the listeners, though, this is a question.

Hank

posted a video on Instagram.

Well, let's talk about like my

let's talk about my

history, though.

Okay, okay, let me explain it.

Hank has a history, he loves to post whale videos.

I think it goes back to a Mount Rushmore.

Yeah, best slow-mo videos in the world.

Yeah, so every time there's a whale breaching water, Hank is posting it.

I look at Hank's Instagram stories tonight.

Hank has posted a video of

whales on boats

being cleaned by like tractor vacuums.

They're driving the tractor over the back of the whale.

They're cleaning off the barnacles.

It's the fakest video I think I've ever seen in my entire life.

And I really do think Hank posted it thinking it was real.

Did you see my next story?

Hank, did you post it thinking it was real?

Did you see my next story?

I didn't.

Did you post it thinking it was real?

No, you want me to play?

I'll play what I posted because a lot of people were confused, but I cleared it up.

Okay, so can you be honest, though?

Be honest with the listeners.

That was it.

That was enough.

If the video is posted, it's like a beautiful, like thinking about whales that have barnacles stuck on their backs and they're just floating through the ocean, stuck with these barnacles.

And then there's this group of people who get the whales onto a boat somehow

and then power wash them to clear the barnacles off and basically

free them.

I actually was going to send it to DPFT.

That's what I thought at first.

But

I felt so good, happy for the whales.

Yeah,

yes,

at first glance, I'm not joking.

Uh, because we were doing the stream, I opened my phone and like, I got scared because I had like 10

DMs from people, like people I know.

Like, you know, when you see that number, like when you see it's usually like one or two or whatever, it was like 11

new messages from people being like, you fucking idiot.

I mean, they were tractors i'm they were full-on tractors on top of whales power washing them they were driving there was a guy like sitting in a driver's seat driving the tractor up and down the back the spine of the whale as the wheel is just sitting there not moving like thank you like the whale knows that he's getting power washed they were making noises they made noises like they were like

thank you and thank you yeah

i agree with hank though if can you imagine how cool that video would have been if it was real oh very cool but i just this is everyone's talking about AI this, AI that, new, new evolution in AI.

It's going to be a problem.

It's going to be a problem for the Hanks in the world.

He's the one who's going to be spreading this.

But like, who's this?

I didn't say it wasn't AI.

I didn't say anything.

No, but you shared a cool video to my followers.

You just said right now that you thought it was real.

Again, this is like a trust tree.

I posted on my story.

I was like, just for a follow-up, like obviously it was AI, but like, I just, I share cool whale videos and this fell into that category.

Maybe it's not real now.

Here we go.

Maybe it, it helps start.

Like, I just feel bad for the whales with barnacles.

Like, stuck on, like, you're just ahead of your time.

Maybe your post is going to give somebody a great idea for an invention and they can actually do this for real to the whales.

Yeah.

Think about what Hank.

Hank is spreading the message that, hey, hey, guys, we have the technology now.

Let's start cleaning whales with tractors.

I love it.

I love it.

It's good AI, man.

It's not that good.

It's not good at all.

But I also didn't hear the whales saying thank you.

I didn't hear how accurate the whale sounds were.

The whales, yeah, power washing.

Cleaning.

Have you guys seen,

the other one that almost got me that I had to literally do research on was the

these guys are sliding on the back of the whale with a freaking with a Zamboni.

He's doing like Tokyo Drift on the back of the whale.

This guy's driving a full-on John Deere.

Also, the barnacles wouldn't spray.

It depends on the power washer.

Oh my God.

All right.

That was all I had, Hank.

I'm going to, I'll post it tomorrow just just for the.

Can we put it in the...

Are we allowed to put it in the YouTube?

I don't know.

It's It's toss-up.

Pug?

Pug.

President Pug?

Probably fine.

It's AI.

Yeah.

I will post on my story tomorrow.

I won't give any updates just so people listening, they know.

But there was an Anaconda video.

Yes, Max knows what I'm talking about.

It almost got me, too.

It was like a 70-put, like it was like the biggest Anaconda of all time.

I was like, that's real.

We're fucked.

I believe all of them.

There's not a video that I've ever watched that I thought was that.

Did you guys see the one that Stephen Shea posted a few months, like maybe a month ago?

It was a polar bear with what looked like

a leech on its back.

And it was like, it was like, it was the leech was bigger than the polar bear.

And it was people going and scraping the leech off the polar bears.

The polar bear was probably really appreciative.

You thought that was real?

We got to be better.

PSA, we got to be better.

Listen, I get tricked all the time.

Our boss got sentled today.

So it happens, but the AI thing scares me because we can't let AI take us over.

We're smarter than AI.

We are.

Although, if AI does take over, just shout out AI.

I actually seriously love you.

That was just a joke earlier.

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah, we got to tip our cap.

Like, please give us a job.

Please give us a job to make different faces into a camera and pay us $2 an hour.

Well, the great thing is, I don't think that they make AI that's dumb enough that could ever do part of my take.

Like, AI would never be dumb enough to

attempt them.

AI would never be dumb enough to fall for an AI video of a whale.

That's true.

That's true.

The computer would figure it out.

Program that.

You can't replicate these moments.

No.

Okay.

All right.

Well, let's kick it to ourselves back in studio.

Then we got Biz and Chris Berman.

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Henry?

Yes.

Congratulations.

Are in order?

Are they?

I think we're going to have a baby.

Who?

Jordan and Bill Belichick.

They're engaged to be married.

Well, at least Jordan is saying that they are engaged to be married.

I don't know if Bill knows yet.

I don't think that Jordan would make this up, but apparently she's told at least one friend who then talked to the New York Times.

This all seems so.

Maybe or maybe without Jordan's direction to talk to the New York Times

to let the world know.

Happy news.

Save the date.

Save the date.

To get married.

Little May-December relationship.

I also imagine this going as like Jordan just takes Bill Belichick being like, hey, we got to do some shopping real quick.

We're going to stop at Whole Foods.

I got to go to Lululemon.

And then also, we're just going to go pick out a diamond real quick.

Yeah, it's just a ring.

Just a diamond ring.

You've got several of them.

Yeah.

Can I get one?

Yeah.

So, Hank?

I will wait until

Miss Hudson and Mr.

Belichick report this themselves.

I do not believe the New York Times, fake news media.

This is just a report as far as I'm forced to say.

Well,

it sounds like you don't want to believe it because you don't want it to be true.

Right.

It sounds like you're rooting against Bill's happiness.

No, I think everyone should be deserved

in life, personal things.

Everybody should be what?

Like everyone's deserved the right to tell the world themselves.

Everyone is deserved.

Everyone is deserved in life.

PFT, I think it's bigger than that.

I think Hank's rooting against love.

In general.

I love love.

No, you don't.

I do.

Because when I don't love you, I don't love the fake news.

But when you hear about an engagement of a young, vivacious couple that is going to plan the rest of their life together, my initial reaction is always, congratulations.

No, but you guys have a lot of friends, you know, that have gotten married, maybe are possibly talking about getting engaged, things of that nature.

Do you want to hear it from them?

You don't want to hear it from, you know, a source of a source being like, oh, did you hear

they're going to get married?

I know what's going on, big cat.

Yeah.

Hank is just upset because he thinks that they're engaged and he didn't find out from Bill.

Oh.

He was expecting.

He's like, I would have thought that I would have been on that text.

Yeah.

Listen, I want to make it a personal.

I don't think Bill knows.

Well, he's going to be so excited when he finds out.

Imagine that.

Imagine you find out through the New York Times that you're engaged to be married.

That's so cool.

That's romantic as fuck.

I mean, this is like

the elite class of this country always does their wedding announcements via the New York Times.

If Bill Belichick had to find out a way that he was engaged, he would have liked to see it in the press first.

Yeah.

He has always been his friend.

It's your favorite thing, journalism and love.

So, Hank, I want to make it a pledge.

I don't know how we're going to do it.

I don't really have any connections,

but I will not rest until we get Henry Lockwood an invite to the Jordan Bill Belichick wedding.

What's the hashtag going to be?

I think at the very least, Hank should be invited to the bachelor party.

Yeah.

That would be fun.

What would be a great time?

What do you think it's going to be?

How many rings?

He has eight.

So not

something with nine?

I think it's probably going to be just love story, Bill's version.

Oh, I like that.

That's a great hashtag.

You might be able to go to the.

oh, dude.

Think about this.

Bill Belichick, we all know, listens to the show religiously.

What if he's the AWO who we pick for his bachelor party next year?

That would be sick.

I'd like to preemptively say that that's the guy.

That would be sick.

Bill,

we know you're listening.

We will send Max to your bachelor party.

And when he has a sprained ankle, you can look at it and be like, You fucking pussy.

I think Bill just went out there.

Bill just wouldn't tell the media about the nature of the injury.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But we'll see how he does.

He's got a lower body.

We'll see it.

I'm excited for you, Hank.

Why aren't you excited?

I just think a baby's on the bottom.

I don't like this reporting.

I mean, the hashtag is definitely going to be Chapel Bill.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Although she might have that, she might have to sue herself because I'm pretty sure

she trademarked that already.

She would love that.

There also was a report that the

denigration of Hard Knocks and Carolina, their relationship,

might have been because Ms.

Hudson, soon to be Mrs.

Belichick,

Jordan Belichick.

There's a great ring to it.

I wouldn't be shocked if they do hyphenated names.

Bill Hudson, Belichick?

Yeah, Bill takes it.

Yeah, yeah.

Bill Hudson-Belichick.

I mean, you got to think about the kids.

You want the kids to also be Hudson's.

When they consummate the marriage, if he's able to get up, that's going to be the miracle on the Hudson.

There was a report in this same article that Ms.

Hudson demanded she be granted content approval and partial ownership of the show.

She said this to NFL Films.

Allegedly.

Allegedly.

I don't believe that part.

I believe the engagement.

We're choosing one thing to believe from this article.

It's that they're engaged.

I think that HBO just heard that everyone was going to call it Tard Knocks, and then they backed out.

I don't think this has anything to do with Ms.

Belichick Hudson.

They might be the new Kardashians.

They're doing a reality show.

Their marriage?

Their wedding.

Honestly, it's everything.

It is.

It's squad goals.

Me and this is.

I don't like your attitude.

It's the ultimate zag for Bill Belchuk.

I'll say that much.

Ultimate zag.

Like, you think Bill's going to go one way the way he's won his whole life?

Which is.

Straight and narrow.

Stay away from the media.

Stay away from the drama.

Focus on the team.

Sometimes the opposites attract.

I do think that.

And this is the all opposite.

There are a lot of very rich, powerful people that get attracted to women that just completely dominate them.

Maybe I'm just basing that on the show Billions with Paul Giamatti.

But Bill is a control freak, and he finally met somebody that can control him, and now he's just going hogwild.

He loves it.

Yeah.

He loves being in the passenger seat for a change.

Yeah.

I'm happy for that.

He's riding shotgun on the Jordan Hudson show.

There was also a report that she was attending Patriots' practices in training camp, and that she would wear bright red sweatpants so that Bill could see her from the sidelines.

I love that.

That's love.

And that's the year that,

well, we don't have to talk about that year what happened.

That's inconsequential to the story, which is about true love.

And I don't think that has anything to do with football.

But apparently she was, yeah, she was like staying in the team hotel with him.

That's normal.

That's very normal for a couple that's engaged.

Yeah, for a coach, his girlfriend.

Let's stop with the girlfriend talk.

It's a fiancé.

It's a fiancé now, though.

But it's a fiancé.

Let's respect it.

She's also meeting with senators, according to this article.

What's wrong with that?

I don't know.

Power.

Yeah.

No, we don't.

Why do you think I think there was something wrong with that?

I was very clear.

I think it's wonderful.

I think we need more women speaking truth to power.

I want you to say fiancé.

I can say the word.

I want you to say it when it comes to Jordan and Bill Bellach.

When Jordan.

When they do a collab Instagram post,

then I'll believe it.

Okay.

Okay.

There was also another part of the story.

I didn't realize this, but when he was watching the Miss Maine pageant, when he was, which again, very supportive fiancé move to do.

I like him sitting front and center rooting for her.

That's fiancé goals.

It is.

It really is.

And he was sitting next to her dad.

I didn't realize this part, but her dad is 49 years old.

Oh.

So Bill is old enough to be her dad's dad.

Yeah.

What?

That makes sense.

Yeah.

That does make sense.

I mean, he was...

It's a little weirder that he's only 49, but he always was old enough to be her grandfather.

Is Bill, like, when they get married, and it's going to be a lovely wedding, I hope that you're in attendance, Hank.

Is her dad going to walk her down the aisle and give her away to Bill Belichick?

No, I think he'll be, he's still young enough to be the ring bearer.

He probably could, yeah.

Yeah, he'll come down and he'll be like, he and his, you know, Jordan's mom will come down with the flower.

She'll be the flower girl.

He'll be the ring bearer.

It'll be so cute.

I think it's lovely.

It is.

It's beautiful.

What, Max?

Beautiful.

Yeah, no, I, do you think he asked for permission?

Oh, from the dad.

Bill Belichick had to ask her.

Oh, I think the dad might have asked permission from Bill Belichick.

Will you please marry my daughter?

Yeah.

Are you okay with my daughter telling everyone

you're engaged?

This is Romeo and Juliet all over again.

It's fucking beautiful.

Except for the ending.

The ending is going to be great in this one.

It's fucking beautiful.

It really is.

Two star-crossed lovers.

I love love.

Has Belichick ever done like a big documentary about his life?

I know he's done NFL film stuff.

No.

So she'll be in that.

Oh, I think it's going to be a documentary about her life featuring Bill Belichick.

Bill Belichick through the eyes of Jordan Hudson.

Who's more famous, Bill Belichick or Jordan?

I think it's pretty neck and neck right now.

Bill's marrying up.

Right.

And like non-football fans probably don't know who Bill Belichick is.

Anyone, any pop culture fan knows who Jordan is.

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All right, other thing we had to talk about: we have the world's worst Twitter fight because

both guys can be a lot on Twitter.

Ryan Clark versus RG3,

all based on a foul in the WNBA.

So, quick summation.

RG3 did a podcast, which I didn't realize he does his podcast with his lovely wife, Greta.

Yeah, Greta, yeah.

Sitting in the background.

Yeah, is that RG3 and the ones?

Yeah, that's so she sits in the background.

She's like

Glenn Humperdick.

Oh, from the Tom Green show.

One of the most insane podcast aesthetics I've ever seen.

She's quite something.

She's a little more active than Glenn.

Yeah, but she's sitting there, and then RG3 did an entire podcast

basically saying that Angel Reese hates Caitlin Clark, which

why is that wrong?

I don't understand why anyone would be upset about that portion.

I understand there's racial, again, this story, Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese just becomes a race war instantly, but I believe that Caitlin Clark does dislike, or sorry, Angel Reese does dislike Caitlin Clark very much.

I kind of think that by now it goes both ways, where Caitlin got, she was very upset.

I think rightfully so last year when she got that hard foul and Angel Reese was the first one off the bench clapping and then Angel hit her in the head.

I think that there's like there's definitely some animosity between them.

But

I think that obviously it's clear that Angel Reese hates Caitlin Clark or at the very least hates what she perceives to be Caitlin Clark's audience and what they stand for.

I'm just going to go outright and say it.

She hates Caitlin Clark.

I think she does.

And that's fine because rivalries are good.

I'm hating two of them both true serum.

They both hate each other.

Yeah, they like it.

That's the fun part about this.

I think Angel Reese hates Caitlin Clark more, though.

Yeah, probably.

And Angel Reese, because, again, this goes back to what I said on Monday, the issue with this rivalry is Caitlin Clark is just a lot better and more entertaining of a basketball player.

If Angel Reese is a power forward, it's not going to be the same as

the Steph Curry of women's basketball.

And Caitlin Clark, she is fun to watch, hitting deep threes and everything.

Getting rebounds is not as fun or appealing to the viewers.

Not saying Angel Reese isn't a good basketball player, but Caitlin Clark is a transcendent basketball player.

I'm lightweight upset that we're taping part of my take right now because this is time that I could be using to scroll X, the everything app, to read more takes about Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark and what it means about our society and all the think pieces about the WNBA.

Can we just take some time to appreciate the fact that we're at a point where people are now engagement farming off of the WNBA?

Oh, yeah.

Which should be a massive.

That should be a massive win for the WNBA, right?

Big time.

Like they're now to a point where content about the WNBA is leading the news cycle, but it does get

absolutely exhausting reading all these takes.

Like I am, I'm worn out from reading these takes.

It's exhausting, but it's also so entertaining because I don't really have a dog in this fight in that I'm just watching from the sidelines being like, yeah.

Yeah, that is really.

Oh, no, that is.

Oh, no, no, that is racist.

It's back and forth.

I made a list yesterday of the best takes or the strongest, most wild takes I've seen about this because people are on their shit right now.

They see this and they're like, I got to come up with a threat.

I'm going to compare the situation to Israel-Palestine.

That's next.

Very important thread.

But the best takes that I've seen.

One, Caitlin should be arrested for getting a triple-double.

Okay.

Yeah, I saw that.

Because she asked her coach to put her back in the game so she could get another rebound, and that is literally illegal.

That person is going to, I hope that person is sitting down when we show them a tape of Ricky Davis.

Yeah.

That would shock them.

Ricky Davis famously throwing the ball off the opposition's hoop to try to get the 10th rebound for a triple-double.

Yep.

Number two, what if Angel Reese had gotten killed on that foul?

Oh,

what if she got seriously injured or worse?

Now, I'm going to be honest with you, PFT,

I didn't think about that.

And now that I'm thinking about that, it's problematic.

I love that tape.

It's problematic.

I love that take.

What if anyone died?

Yeah.

I mean, ever.

Listen, when you have hard foul, it's a hardwood court.

She could have hit her head on it.

That's true.

Number three, Caitlin Clark is a racist.

Yep.

And then number four, Caitlin Clark is not racist enough.

So everyone's angry at everybody.

And it is, it's something to see.

I personally think that this is a big psyop to distract you from the fact that the Boston Celtics, they blew a 0-2 lead against the New York Knicks in the playoffs.

The other one that I have, I enjoy very much is people basically saying Caitlin Clark has to speak for all of her fans

and say something about them.

You know,

you can't hate Angel Reese.

She needs to stand up and

do her responsibility and say, hey, fans, stop it.

Which she has done in the past.

And she literally did that.

I think it was after the NCAA National Championship.

Yeah.

She was like, don't treat her badly.

And Angel Reese has also done the, she did a speech, I think, last year where she was essentially like,

I'm the villain here, and I like it.

Like, I'm going to help grow the game for being a villain.

And then they asked her about that this year, and she said, no comment.

But,

so, so back to RG3 versus Ryan Clark.

Ryan Clark then did a show.

This is all very stupid, but also very funny.

Ryan Clark did a show, his podcast, where he basically

said that RG3 can't talk about this because he has a white wife.

His ex-wife was white as well, is obsessed with making milk jokes.

And then RG3 came over the top and said, hey, dude, don't bring my family into this.

That's fair.

Everyone knows in mafia and podcast wars, the family stays out of it.

But

if the wife is literally

good point.

She is in the show.

And then, that's a very good point, Hank.

And then Ryan Clark, I feel like Ryan Clark does this like maybe four or five times a year where he gets in a fight and then he does the like, well, yeah,

I hope your dad dies and then walks away.

He basically was like, yeah, hey, RG3, you're you're the worst teammate I ever had, both on the field and at ESPN.

Everyone hates you and you suck at your job.

Why did he?

He just went all the way.

It is funny how the podcast scene turns even like the hardest professional athletes into just middle school girls.

Yeah, just little bitches.

Just like, dude,

you're fighting over a foul in the WNBA.

Hey, Robert, guess what?

You're not invited to my birthday anymore.

Yeah, so suck on that.

Hey, Robert, I heard in fifth grade, you pissed your pants during lunch and people called you pee pants.

So

it is kind of exhausting to keep up with all this.

And

I just know that I'm the big winner in this situation.

Oh, yeah.

I just get to sit back and scroll, baby.

Yeah.

Just refreshing the timeline.

It is.

They should play one W NBA game a week so that we can have the other six days to just think about what that game meant.

Yes.

And discuss it.

Thanks, V.

So this is what Ryan Clark said.

This was the final for now.

And again,

he just goes right to the lowest point, being like, hey,

you don't realize everyone hates you, which is such a shitty thing to do.

But he said, bro, you know what it is with me and you.

I saved you the entire season of Menonet football.

I urged people to let you be you.

No matter how corny, how bad a teammate you were.

I had your back.

This is really, this is like, hey, I don't care what everyone says about you.

I think you're an okay guy.

What did you do?

Invite someone on your show you know I don't fool with to ask questions about me and then hit me weeks later to tell me you're going to challenge one of my takes.

You're a phony, bro.

One of the worst teammates I ever had, both on the field and in TV.

You got to do what you got to do.

I didn't attack your wife.

I spoke on what you do on social media and TV.

Like I said, I met your wife and she seemed like a lovely lady that was worth more than the color of her skin.

You be good, bro.

It was a foul.

It was a pretty common foul.

And

that's what RG3 should come back with.

He'd be like, hey, dude, are we still talking about a foul?

This is like heroin to me.

Yeah.

It's quite something.

It's so good.

And by the way, the one thing that Ryan Clark is correct on is RG3 is corny.

He is.

But he'll be the first to say that he makes him.

And listen, I am compromised when it comes to the RG3 situation because I have no choice but to support his wife.

Yeah.

I think his wife is a strong, powerful woman with a great voice, and I will not ever say anything bad about her.

I am not compromised, and I would say my ruling is RG3, yes, he is corny.

Yes, it is kind of uncomfortable when he's like makes a joke about like his wife's milk.

That does kind of creep me out a little bit.

But other than that, Ryan Clark

is

kind of a psycho and just went like nuclear on a take about a foul in the WNBA.

I think Ryan Clark gets very, very emotional.

Very emotional.

That's kind of the thing with his podcast is the times where I see him go mega viral, it'll be like that soft, somber music, and he'll just be like almost crying into the camera, talking about something, getting worked up.

He's a

bit in touch with his feelings.

It basically comes down to RG3 had a misdemeanor of being corny online, and Ryan Clark put him in front of a firing squad.

Yeah, the the punishment does not

meet the crime here.

What do you say, hey?

I just more been thinking, you know, my biggest takeaway is just thinking about the conversation between RG3 and Greta about

setting up the podcast.

Yeah, like you guys are podcasting Trailblazers.

Did you ever think like

sit someone?

Let's just have someone sit without a mic 10 feet behind us.

Yeah.

Is that a joke about yourself?

Yeah.

You actually have.

But behind.

My whole goal for you.

But behind.

You're right.

Behind.

Yeah, actually, that's the crime.

If RG3 really wanted to do a podcast, he'd put the person scrolling their phone on a couch next to him.

Well, you guys obviously have not watched RG3's podcast.

This was a clip that RG3 did.

In the podcast, Greta is a very important part, and she does have a microphone, and

she's about to voice her opinion, Hank.

That's good.

that's good.

Yeah, now, if you had asked me when we started part of my take, what's the reason you're starting this podcast?

I would have told you so that one day RG3 and his wife can also do a podcast together.

And also, one day we can

do 20 minutes on Jordan Hudson marrying Bill Belichick and RG3 and Ryan Clark having a fight that literally does not mean anything to anyone, except it's very great entertainment.

What I love about this entire situation, going back to the Angel Reese, Caitlin Clark dynamic, is that this is just but a small taste of how toxic sports fans can be online.

Yeah.

And the WNBA is just.

Sports fans are mean and ugly.

They're just getting a tiny nibble of what really goes on.

Like the WNBA,

if you compare that to NBA Twitter or what happens on NBA social media, it's way, way worse in the NBA.

But now it's like

a new fan base being exposed to how crazy sports fans get online.

And yeah,

that's kind of the world that we live in.

I think, though, the only difference is like NBA Twitter is fun for the most part.

People are trying to have fun, get jokes off.

Not for Hank.

Well, Hank is specifically talking about the other night.

WNBA Twitter just takes itself way too seriously.

It just can't, it can't, every foul

can't be the most egregious thing that's happened in race relations in the world.

Where I get lost is kind of like the white boy Rick, like when like NBA Twitter is absolutely ruthless to every single player.

Right.

Making fun of them.

Like every single night it's a meme.

It doesn't matter how good they are.

Jokes are made at their expense.

So like the angel, people getting mad about a clip where Angel Reese is dribbling the ball at her face and kind of like poking fun at her.

That's what sports Twitter is.

That's where NBA Twitter, yeah, like they have a

quiet agreement that you can just be mean to everyone and no one's going to really take it too personally.

I saw Jalen Brown's face as Osama bin Laden the other day.

Yeah.

Now, if I'm Angel Reese, some advice for both Angel and Caitlin, just don't be on social media because I would imagine that most of the really, really bad shit that you deal with is from people that are DMing you from anonymous accounts, probably saying some really, really bad stuff.

And then you take reading all that into the real world, and then you just assume the worst about your opponent's fans and all this shit.

I would just log off, have somebody else run your social media, do your ad deals, do all that shit for you, but don't, I would stay off.

I'd imagine they are.

That's also where I lose Ain't the Angel argument a little bit, too, because I do think, which is rightfully so, and not a bad thing at all.

Like, it's good if she kind of flip-flops between, like, I'm a villain.

Right.

I have a podcast.

I do all these magazine shoots.

Like, I'm putting myself out there.

But then she kind of takes the other side of like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm just a basketball player trying to do my job.

She doesn't fully want to get embraced like the Bill Lember role.

Yeah.

I think you have to be, that has to be in you to begin with.

Yeah.

You can't, like LeBron said, I think it is though.

I i don't think so because like remember when lebron went even like the ring like that was funny

that was good though like she's a good heel and she knows that and she says that sometimes but then we'll also play victim see yeah you can't you can't need you can't hate to be hated and love to be loved at the same time but that's also the problem with the this entire robbery again is that i think that I think she likes to be the villain in it until they play and it's like, oh shit, Caitlin Clark's really good.

This kind of sucks.

I think think she likes to say, I'll be the villain because it makes her feel good in the moment, but she really does not want to be the villain.

I also think that if the sky beat the fever in a playoff series, she would be the villain.

Yeah.

She would go back to be the villain.

Like, you can't see.

I agree with Hank that, like, you can't pick and choose.

When you're on top, you can't be the villain.

And then when you're losing, be like, oh, no, I don't want this.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Like, you can't have both.

You can't look.

I mean, honestly, Dreamon, it's kind of like Dreamon.

Yeah.

Dreamon does something similar.

Yeah.

All I know is that

they should just play these games every single week.

There should be a Sky Fever game every Saturday.

And they're playing in Chicago next.

Love it.

I feel like we should go to that one.

Go.

Just supporting both sides.

What is the date?

I forget.

It's on a Saturday, though.

All right, I'm out.

But I'll watch the highlights on Twitter when people have.

Yeah, I don't think I was ever in.

I think I'm going to go just.

Yeah, Hank was not in.

Just as a peacemaker.

June 7th, is that a Saturday, 7 p.m.?

Yeah.

Nope.

Definitely.

Okay.

You know those?

I'm going to take a rain check.

Wait.

What?

What?

Is it in Rosemont?

No, it's at Winchester Center.

No, it's Winchester.

No, they play that game at the United Center.

Oh, they moved that game to the United Center?

Yeah, the Sky Fever.

You better believe it.

Oh, that's awesome.

I thought they played their game.

Caitlin Clark effect.

And Angel Reese effects.

I might go to the game.

You know the guys that wear the orange vests around Chicago and they try to neutralize situations?

Yeah.

You know them?

Yeah.

I think I might do that at this game just to try to calm everybody down.

I forgot they were moving a lot of these Caitlin Clark games to bigger places.

What were you going to say, Hank?

I'm still out, but the United Center makes it a little more appealing.

Well, Wintrust is downtown, too.

They play it.

Oh, yeah.

They played their games at Wind Trust because of Caitlin Clark.

They're playing it at United Center.

Nice.

I think they did the same thing for some other games.

I can't remember where.

I think maybe San Antonio have a

team.

I don't think so.

Sparks.

No.

No, Dallas Wings.

You know what?

We're just Sky Fever guys.

Yeah, just let me know when this game is happening.

We're Skyfever.

Yeah, the Stars.

No, that's this.

Oh, the Stars?

The San Antonio Stars?

Yeah.

Because I'm pretty sure they moved that one to the Alamodome.

Oh, they do have a team.

Yeah.

Yeah,

we know we're at WNBA.

Come on, guys.

All I know is that National Sports Podcast for a reason.

This is all a big distraction, and the Mystics are 2-0, and nobody's talking about that.

They're all talking about these other teams.

All right, let's do hot seat, cool throw, and then we'll get to our interviews we got.

Oh, wait, no.

No, San Antonio Stars were a professional basketball.

Okay, so listen, hand up.

We're fans.

We have a nostalgia brain with the WNBA.

Bring back the stars.

We were bigger fans 10 years ago, if we're going to be honest.

That's all I'm saying: bring the stars back.

So they didn't move the game to the Alamoto.

They moved one of the games.

I don't know where.

One of the games.

So find the game they moved

so I can take a half a point.

One of the games they moved to a bigger arena similar to the Wind Trust to the United Center.

You're talking about they moved at some point in WNB history, they moved a game in San Antonio from no, no, no, no.

I'm saying they moved they've been moving games for Caitlin Clark to bigger arenas.

So that's why the oh, okay, so Dallas.

So I was right, Texas.

Yeah, they moved it from, they moved it to a bigger arena.

That's the Caitlin Clark effect is that like when they go to these cities, they've been moving the venue, similar to Wind Trust United Center, to a bigger venue because the tickets are so crazy.

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Hank, hot seat cool throw.

The hot seat is Juan Soto.

Yeah.

Probably might be regretting the crosstown move.

Yankees to Mets.

And because I do think this is like a lot of the reports I've seen are from Yankees kind of biased media.

Tommy Smokes.

Tommy Smokes.

Michael Kay.

Well, it's like Tommy Smokes, John Boy, Michael Kay are the ones pushing this story forward.

Michael Kay said, people in the know say Juan Soto wanted to be a Yankee.

He chose the Yankees, but his family wanted him to be a Mets, so he chose the Mets.

This feels like Cope from the Yankees.

But the private jet one, they're...

What was that?

He's taking private jets instead of traveling with the team.

Good for him.

How common is that?

It can't be common.

It can't be common.

Jeff Passen denounced this.

Oh, okay.

So that was from John Boy, that one.

Okay.

So that, that, all right.

I'm thinking he might have taken a private jet at some point for some specific reason.

Like, there could be, yeah, there could be a

series in the middle of the summer where he's bringing his family.

Yeah.

He's like, oh, yeah, I'll just hop on with them.

There's no way he's taking a private jet for every...

That's just a waste of money.

Or he's got like a family event that he has to make it back for.

So he takes a slightly earlier flight.

This is big time cope by Yankees fans, and I get it.

You're not used to losing out on the big fish, and especially not losing out on a big fish that goes just right across town.

So, listen, you got to get through it somehow.

So, if you just want to tell yourself stories, that's fine.

Yeah.

Deal with it.

But, Mets fans, I mean, memes, you tell us.

Mets fans aren't happy with him either.

Oh, why?

Is he hitting 150?

That's the thing.

No, Frank's.

Oh.

He doesn't look happy.

He didn't run first base against the Yankees.

That's the thing.

It's like there's one play where he didn't run as hard as he possibly could to first base.

I personally don't give a fuck

on the team for however many years, so it doesn't matter.

You never met.

Guess what memes?

He's awesome at baseball.

I got a bad take that I'm going to say out loud: if someone paid me $700 million to play baseball, I would sometimes not run to first base

because I would probably just be distracted and be like, shit, why am I running first base?

I have $700 million.

That was an out.

That's the thing.

Is like, if you reach that point where you get that massive contract, you won.

Yeah, right.

You won.

It'd be hard to get motivated.

I'll just be totally honest.

It's human nature.

You're one-on-one lifetime.

Right.

And you're going to retire with that record.

Like, imagine striking out with a $700 million contract.

Can you be that bummed?

No.

I don't think so.

But have you seen his projected numbers for his 15 years on that?

Tell me about the projected numbers.

0.050 average.

This isn't the whole 15 years.

34 home runs, 120 RBIs, and 2,087 double plays.

Wow.

Would that be a record?

When was this

baseball reference?

Had skipped.

This was Frank the Tank Fleming.

Oh, okay.

He's created

almost 3,000 double plays.

Wow, and only 34 home runs?

Two home runs a year for, yeah.

Oh, man.

That probably means that.

Where's he hitting in the order?

Fourth?

Probably, yeah.

That means that whoever's hitting ahead of him is going to be basically like the hit king.

He'll get 370K per induced double play.

By the way, speaking of home runs, Kyle Schwarber hit his 16th.

He's one back from Shohei.

He should maybe be MVP.

Cubs are good, right?

Kyle Schwarz was not on the 10th.

I mean, the Belch Farmer shit.

With the San Antonio Stars and Schwarber on the Cubs.

I'm an idiot.

Oh, that was a bad moment.

No, our guy, Kyle Stowers, who, if you didn't listen to this show on Monday, Kyle Stowers and Tyler Phillips were awesome on the show.

It's a little different.

We obviously don't have a ton of baseball guests, but they were just cool dudes.

He had a big hit and beat the Cubs on Monday night.

That sucked.

Kyle Tucker, maybe not running out to get a

final out, maybe not running as hard as he can, but he actually doesn't have an excuse because he hasn't gotten the $500 million contract.

Yeah, he's got no quit.

He might have couldn't have gotten it.

It became one of my favorite things

that we do as sports fans, especially online.

I don't know if you could pull up the Kyle Tucker.

He might have been able to get to it.

He's not the fastest guy, but there were two outs and there was a ball hit to him and it went past him.

And then the Marlins ended up winning in extra innings.

Or sorry, in in they walked it off and just having a bunch of people being like I would have caught that

like me I run a lot harder and I fucking get that ball I do love that discourse though about Wan Soto like I wish that he would have run harder to first base on this

therefore he's not worth the money that we paid him on this one hit ideally yeah you'd like your players but yeah to your point big cat if you won the lottery

would you still take the trash out every single day i'll tell you what if i won the lottery i would podcast and then like if you guys brought up a story i hadn't seen i'd just be like, I don't care.

Yeah.

That would be me not running to first base.

I just refreshed my bank account like AB in a team meeting.

Yeah, it's like, what are you saying, Hank?

Oh, I'm sorry.

I'm looking at all the zeros.

Max is just in a torture chamber.

Finding baseball highlights are so hard.

Well,

if they're not home.

Yeah.

Xy Everything App doesn't exactly have the best search bar anymore.

So it is what it is.

All right, Hank, what's your cool throne?

Cool throne is the All-American Rejects.

Oh, yeah, I saw this.

This is very cool.

They're doing

a backyard tour.

Oh, that's awesome.

Across the Midwest.

Yeah.

They're just showing up in people's backyards.

I think they're playing.

They have like a sign-up sheet that you can book them for a backyard tour.

They were in Chicago.

Yeah.

Yeah, they did this the other night, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, that's awesome.

Like, they just were at a house party, which is one of the coolest things.

This is something if I were a very famous musician, I would do all the time.

Like, remember when we were in Atlanta for the Super Bowl and went to the Northside Tavern, great fucking bar.

Shout out Northside Tavern.

Everyone was like, oh, you should have been here last night.

At two in the morning, Dave Grohl came up and played for like an hour.

Yeah, I would do that too.

That's so cool.

It's like the, I would get dressed up, though, as an old guy, like Uncle Drew.

Yeah.

I would just be like, can you believe this old man got up there and then sang a song and sounded exactly like Good Charlotte?

Remember?

And they take the mask off.

It's me, Bingy.

Yeah, Jewel did that.

I remember that video.

She dressed, she put on prosthetics and did a karaoke night.

And I was like, holy holy shit, this woman's incredible.

This is very cool.

I like the All-American Rejects.

Good for them.

Yeah.

Very cool.

Cool throwing.

Okay.

PFT.

My hot seat is the Tush Push.

Again, so

they've officially put this rule out there.

They're going to be voting on it this week about whether or not the Tush Push should be banned.

And it's all the reporting on it makes it seem like it has a possibility of getting banned now.

Breaking Moose.

Breaking Moose.

Sorry.

Breaking Moose is a huge breaking moose.

Glassbanger is out of jail.

Okay.

Glassbanger is out of jail.

We'll talk to you about Biz.

But that's pretty big.

Oh, you were holding the cow back in case it was Jordan?

That's illegal.

You have to do breaking moves.

I didn't know if you're, it could have been satirical.

Yeah.

He's out of jail.

He's spread the word LFG stars bang.

He's tweeted.

So

how did that come across your timeline?

Liam Bluttman sent it to me.

Oh, sick.

Yeah.

he he he just said out of jail okay well that's yeah that's that's gonna affect how i bet on that series yeah absolutely uh okay sorry uh tush push so the packers proposed the rule change we know that that way there's no owner that everybody can get mad at you just get mad at the entire city of green bay and matt lafleur has to go on podcast and take the bullets when it's not him that's proposing the rule change and be and be called a pussy yeah it does sound like

it does sound like it might get banned this year.

And again, I'm opposed to banning the tush push.

Just figure out a way to stop it.

But also, if they do ban it, I'll be pumped because I was on the side saying, don't ban it, but now I don't have to deal with anything.

Correct.

So I'm playing both sides.

As a podcast, we do not want the tush push banned.

It's very unfair.

But if it got banned, I will not get in front of it.

It's very unfair to ban it.

You can't ban a play because one team is way better at it than every other team.

Okay.

But if it does get banned, that's awesome.

Congrats, by the way, on Nick Siriani's new contract, Max.

You wanted him fired how many times in his tenure with the Philadelphia East?

Zero times.

That's a lie.

I don't know what what you're talking about.

I never said that.

I think the real issue that they should deal with with the tush push, don't ban it.

Just let the defense do the exact same thing where you can throw guys at the play.

Yeah.

Fight fire with fire.

Yeah.

I think they do that.

I don't think that you're allowed to.

Well, you're allowed to push.

Yeah.

He's saying throw guys over the line.

Yeah.

What are the rules on defense?

He's saying launching.

You can lift them up and throw them.

Can you propel a player on defense?

Can you grab a player on defense and then push them towards the ball?

You can reverse Mike Leech, like getting a shorter person and launching them over the line.

Yeah.

I don't understand why they keep saying player safety when no player's ever gotten hurt from the play.

Yeah, no, it makes no sense.

They're trying to

scare you.

No, no player has ever gotten hurt.

Chris Jones.

Max, let me just follow what you're saying real quick.

Are you saying that the NFL doesn't care about player safety?

Yeah, no.

What?

Are you serious?

They're just whiny babies.

Max, the NFL does not care about player safety.

They just say players.

It's basically the all-due respect of the NFL, where they can say whatever they want afterwards.

They say player safety, and then they're like, yeah, you know what?

Let's send a team to fucking Spain and play on weird grass and then have them come back and play a game six days later.

But we care about player safety.

That's fair.

That's fair.

That's the whole thing they do.

Defenses are.

maybe this is just kicking plays.

It might be on, they're not allowed to push or pull their own teammates is what I'm reading in the rule book right now.

It might just be on kicking plays, though.

PFT, the other rule that is up for grabs this week, which I am going to be upset about, is they are proposing to do playoff seeding one through seven strictly based on record.

Automatically get in if you are a wild card, or if you win the division, but they're going to do it on record.

I hate this.

I don't like it either because it's fun when you have a team that's below 500 that somehow wins a playoff game.

It also doesn't make sense if

you're going to have, like, the division winners should get a home playoff game.

That should be,

like, some years it sucks.

Last year, this is all a reaction to one year where the NFC North was really good and the Packers and Vikings had really good records, and they had to go all the way down to the wild card.

They're making the argument because

they did this whole slideshow.

I read this article that

they essentially showed that that weeks 17 and 18 will have less starters sitting because they'll be just more up for grabs.

Like last year, the Eagles could have gone down to the three seed.

The Texans were locked into the four seed last year.

They could have gone all the way down to seven.

So their argument is you have to play the whole season.

I get that part.

I just think that if you're going to play a lopsided schedule where you play six teams in your division, you should reward the winner of that division.

I agree.

If you're not going to, then

get rid of divisions, which would also suck.

If you're in a great division, then yes, absolutely.

If it means more if you're able to beat that division, get home, it puts more on the line in those games.

Yeah, so I agree with this.

I think it's reactionary to like this one thing that happened that could have blown up in their faces, but it didn't even really blow up in their faces that much.

Yeah, I'm just scared that once, because my knee-jerk reaction was like, This is stupid.

They're being reactionary.

And then I saw that someone put together a slideshow about the ratings and week 17 and 18 starters.

And that makes me nervous because if there's one thing the NFL will do is is change everything so that more people watch.

That's true.

So that's where I'm scared that this could pass.

They're also voting on whether or not to allow players to play in the Olympics in flag football.

I think that passed.

Did it officially passed?

Okay, it passed.

So you can make the rules saying that the players are allowed to play in the Olympics, but I don't know if you've seen the flag football players that we already have playing flag football for us and I don't know that Patrick Mahomes would be an upgrade on what we got at quarterback.

No, we got that guy who's like 5'8 ⁇ , right?

170 pounds.

Who throws it so weird, but he said he's better than Patrick Mahomes.

Yes, he's a flag football specialist.

Patrick Mahomes wouldn't understand this game.

Pretty sure Patrick Mahomes would be able to be good at flag football.

No, not better than this guy.

It's true.

This guy is, he's dialed in.

Patrick Mahomes doesn't understand the rules of flag football.

It's so arrogant for NFL players to think that they can just go in and dominate football.

Could you imagine Lamar trying to get Lamar Jackson's flag?

It would be so funny.

Oh, I can't wait for the schedule release video that we do for the U.S.

flag football team.

Just roasting every other country.

I'm just imagining like a Croatian dude trying to grab the flag of Lamar Jackson.

Yeah.

He would never be down.

Or Tyreek Hill.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

All right.

Your cool throne?

My cool throne is I got two.

One is friendship.

Oh.

Friendship's on the cool throne.

As we discussed a couple months ago, I drunkenly ordered eight tickets to go see ACDC, and then I had Greer give away all the tickets because I didn't want anyone to feel left out in this office.

Smart move.

I got a little notification yesterday from one of the people that had committed to going, Ben Mence.

Oh, no.

And he got an offer for another ticket.

A better offer?

I think my ticket might be better.

I didn't ask, but Ben was like, is it cool if I take this other ticket and then you can have my ticket?

Wait, so he gifted your ticket back to me.

My ticket back to me.

What a guy.

So now, Hank, I'd like to formally invite you to go see ACDC on Saturday at Soldier Field.

I actually, I mean, I appreciate the offer.

I do have

family in town.

Man, because you've been complaining about not getting to go see ACDC.

Well, I accepted it initially, and then when you took it away from me, I made other plans.

Okay, well, Hank, I want to give you a ticket.

Don't you have someone else you need to get a ticket for?

What about me?

Big Cat, would you like to go?

I'll accept the ticket.

Okay.

Hank, would you like to take my ticket?

No.

Oh, I'm going to give my ticket back.

I'll tell you what.

No.

You have someone else you need to give a ticket to.

I'm giving Big Cat's ticket back to Big Cat.

And now Big Cat gets to decide who gets the last ticket to ACDC.

I can't go.

You're not going to take a free ticket?

I would love to.

I got other, I got

commitments.

You got Coles.

What was that?

Responsibility.

Do you have 18 commitments on Saturday?

No.

What if we got you another ticket?

Let's get him to Saturday.

Yeah, all right.

So we just got to get you one more ticket.

You know what?

Let's get, let's get, let's convince Mincy he's got to give us that extra ticket.

The new ticket that he has.

That he has.

We'll get that one.

We'll give two to Hank.

Okay, Hank's in.

No, Big Cat, you are now officially in charge of giving away this last ticket to somebody.

I actually think there might be a ticket up for Greer.

I think I heard someone bailed in the Greer crew.

Okay.

So we got two tickets?

Am I going to end up with all the tickets now?

Do you want me to ask if there's an extra ticket?

Yeah.

I got an extra ticket.

Well, Hank wants to go.

And Greer's got an extra ticket.

So we've got two extra tickets right now.

So Hank's going to go.

So I would go.

You would go if there were two tickets.

Yeah.

You would take two tickets and then just not use one and use one.

No, he's going to use the other one.

He's going to go with someone.

My cousin is staying, like, he's moving in on Sunday, so he's staying with me Saturday.

So I don't want to just leave him behind.

He's moving to Chicago.

Oh, nice.

Where did he get a job?

He's interning.

He's got an internship.

My other cool throne is acting.

Acting other.

I can't believe we didn't talk about this on Sunday or maybe even Friday when it came out.

There's a movie coming out about the Raiders.

Yes.

Oh, yeah.

I thought this was AI.

Me too.

When I first saw it, it's going to star Nick Cage and Christian Bale.

Nick Cage is going to play John Madden.

It looks so good.

Which is incredible.

By the way, I watched The Rock on Saturday.

It still holds.

Oh, of course.

That is a fucking banger of a movie.

I'm going to watch it.

Yeah.

It's so good.

Losers cry about their best.

Winners go home and fuck to the prom queen.

It's so good.

Look at this.

This is

Christian Bale and Nick Cage.

Christian Christian Bale is Al Davis.

Nick Cage is John Madden.

I saw somewhere Shane Gillis is in it.

Yeah.

I got to say, they nailed the pants.

Yeah, they did.

I've seen a bunch of pictures of Nick Cage walking around wearing pants.

And it's like, those are John Madden 1970s pants.

I'm so excited.

It's hard to do a good sports movie.

Like, there's a lot more.

I feel like there's more bad sports movies than good ones.

So I'm rooting for this.

Well, here's the thing about it.

I think the F1 movie with Brad Pitt will be good, too.

Ford v.

Ferrari?

No, that movie's great.

Shout out Peter Turner.

No, there's a new one that's coming out.

Oh, okay.

The thing with sports movies, they get a lot better if they have the official logos.

Yes.

So, like, Draft Day would have sucked as a movie.

Yes.

Like, terrible acting from whoever played the running back that was drafted by the Browns.

I forget that guy's name, but he sucked.

But if they didn't have the official logos for the teams, that movie would suck.

They had the official logos.

And the movie was awesome.

Yeah.

This is going to have the official logos.

So now I'm going to watch and be like, is this the NFL?

This is awesome.

I think I'm watching the NFL right now.

I'm watching football.

It'll trick me into thinking the movie's movie's good, no matter.

And also, with those two acting, fuck yeah, sign that up.

Okay, my hot seat is

the Phoenix Suns.

Phoenix Suns, as everyone remembers, they sold their team.

What was the old owner's name?

Robert Sarver?

That sounds right.

Yeah,

for kind of institutional chaos in the Phoenix Suns.

I think he was a wee bit of a racist, maybe, allegedly.

I can't remember.

NBA owner?

I can't remember the details to it, but that's neither here nor there.

Matt Ishbia bought the team, and

guess what?

They're back in it because there's a lawsuit now out that son CEO Josh Bartelstein might have had an inappropriate relationship with Sophie Cunningham, who played on the Phoenix Mercury.

So the sons are back in it.

So this guy, Bartelstein, I looked him up.

You know, he was a college basketball player?

Yeah, Michigan.

He's a Michigan man.

This is what I think of when I think of Michigan men.

This guy.

And yeah,

I kind of like having chaos around ownership groups in the NBA.

I don't know what to think about this one.

Was this an affair or was it

allegations of an affair?

There was a - I think there's been three different

lawsuits filed against the Suns for

bad workplace, unsafe conditions, discrimination.

They basically have just been getting the same thing the old owner got.

And then in one of these lawsuits, I think it it was an old, an ex-security guard,

like team security guard, who filed a lawsuit about racial discrimination and demotion.

And in that, he was like, oh yeah, the son CEO and Sophie Cunningham are fucking.

So do we know that that's true?

It's all alleged as right now, but it's just also very funny because the sons are just back in it.

If true, you probably need to fire that guy.

Yeah.

I don't think that you can be at least fire him from the Mercury side of it because he's the CEO of both.

Yeah, well, unless he's sleeping with any of the dudes.

That's true.

You're going to have to do a little research.

Gonna have to do a little research.

Also, my hot seat is,

and this guy seems like a nice guy, but I have a problem with his reporting.

I don't know if you guys saw, but in the BP the other night, on Monday night, there was a Reds player who hit a pigeon

with a, I think it was, I think he hit the ball and hit a pigeon.

Yeah, Charlie Goldsmith reported in batting practice today, a Reds player hit a pigeon with a line drive.

Unfortunately, the pigeon passed away immediately.

I immediately was like, R.I.P.

to the pigeon.

I feel terrible that we loved that pigeon.

I missed his update.

He said, update, the pigeon is alive, but he's essentially on life support.

I don't know what pigeon life support is.

So maybe they injected him with that stuff that lowers the body temperature?

Yeah.

And just put him in a coma.

Yes, Miracle on Ice.

Yeah.

I think that this pigeon,

if it pulls through, then the Reds are the team of Destiny.

Yeah.

I haven't gotten an update on what's happening with the pigeon.

I mean, the pigeon also could have had Do Not Resuscitate on his license.

Is the pigeon brain dead?

Yeah, so they, so they could have, the pigeon family could have pulled the plug.

So they've just got maybe a pigeon in a hospital bed with like a feeding tube of mushed-up sunflower seeds that's just going right into its stomach?

Just trash?

Yeah.

It's just like a solo cup and trash going just ground up into his feeding tube.

Yeah, this is, I mean, this is sad stuff.

Real sad stuff.

I hope the pigeon's okay.

It would be an amazing comeback.

Would be amazing.

It's actually Cincinnati, man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Something with

that.

Well said, Hank.

Throw it in there.

I mean,

the advancements they've made in bird health

is kind of crazy.

Prayers for Damar.

Harambe or Sweet Prince.

Yeah.

I mean,

both those things.

Yeah.

I mean, this happened on a Harambe, obviously.

Part of it because the animal, but Damar died for a second on the field.

So did this pigeon.

Yeah, I mean, if this happened at a Bengals practice, the jokes would just be like, oh, another season cursed by injuries for the Bengals.

We need to get a name on this pigeon.

I need an update on this pigeon.

And then my cool throne is Tom Cruise because he eats two buckets of popcorn at the movie theaters, and that is awesome.

That's very relatable.

One bucket is never enough.

You guys do.

I try to do what?

Was that Facebook?

One bucket is one bucket is.

No, it's not.

Have you seen

that?

I've never rolled it.

I've never come close to even like putting a I don't even put a dent in the

second bucket, but I finished my bucket before the movie starts.

That's soft on Henry and Max's part because you never, that one bucket of popcorn, you can finish that.

But there's stuff.

I don't believe that you guys have never.

I don't believe for a second you've never finished a popcorn.

I finished my popcorn before the movie starts.

Maybe if I was in like a, like me and one other person,

I've never

gotten to the bottom of the movie.

You're soft.

Yeah, that is soft.

I finished one popcorn every time.

Also, the end of the popcorn is always kind of like, you know, when it's like ground up, when you, the bottom of the popcorn can't be great.

So that's where I would go get a second.

I never really get up and get a second because usually that's right when the movie's starting and I don't want to miss it.

But I like this move by Tom Cruise.

That's a beast move.

I went to a movie.

And he definitely knows like the best parts time to get a popcorn.

Right.

That is true.

I'm not in this scene for the next five minutes.

I went to a movie a couple weeks ago.

My very first bite of popcorn got a kernel stuck right in between.

On the very first bite.

Nothing will ruin your day.

Like like bite number one worst the worst

worst feel we should do that for mount rush four worst minor inconveniences yeah we might have done that definitely we definitely probably

but i don't i don't remember ever talking about the popcorn kernel in your mouth tom crew's just throwing on the charm there look at him look at that he's just popping it back oh that's not even a small yeah that's small that's different that is different He's eating a small, like a bag.

You know what that bag is?

That's like a bag they give you at a screening of an important movie that comes out.

Hey, here's your popcorn.

And if you get a small when you're actually at a movie that you pay for, the small is about, like, it's the size of a keg.

It's crazy.

Shadow Tom Cruise.

I'm looking at another picture of him eating buckets.

It's another smaller bucket.

Yeah, see, this is free popcorn.

Shadow Tom Cruise, like...

The whole Scientology thing is very weird, and he probably knows where Shelly Miscavige, like, is, her body is buried and everything.

He just was like, yeah, I'm going to put out a new top gun and everyone's going to forget about that.

Yeah, I mean, Scientology, say what you want about the religion, but they picked the best spokesman that they could ever get.

But seriously, like, it felt like the block was getting a little hot with the documentaries and everything.

He's like, I know.

Top gun, too.

Yeah.

People won't care anymore.

It was a banger of a movie.

It was such a good thing.

I can't wait for Top Gun 3.

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We got Biz, and then we've got our guy

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And now here's Paul Bissinet.

Okay, we now welcome on our very, very, very, very good friend and very special guest.

It is Paul Bissinet.

You can listen on Spit and Chicolits.

You can see him on TNT.

He might be the saddest guy in

the world right now.

We're two days removed from the Leafs getting absolutely shit pumped at home in a game seven.

And Biz, let's start with that game because we want to talk about the conference finals and who you have to win.

But how are you doing?

Your fullies, like, do you know that you can take off the Leafs gear now?

I just figured I'd come in costume, right?

I've been a clown for them all playoffs long, but

not so much sad, just disappointing.

Like, you know, I knew Florida was a great team defending Stanley Cup champions, but for them to show up like that in games five and seven at home, I just, I couldn't believe it.

I thought they took their shit in game five.

So coming back, especially after the way they played in game six on the road, where they locked it up defensively, you know, they didn't make many stupid plays.

They were great defensively.

Penalty kill was good.

I was just shocked to see them come home and lay an egg like that.

But But ultimately, the pressure was too much.

And credit to the Florida Panthers, man.

They fucking beat the shit out of the Leafs.

Like as far as defensemen and hits taken throughout playoffs, I believe the Leafs, their top five defensemen were in the top seven as far as hits taken.

Chris Tannev being the most over 100 hits he took throughout the first two rounds.

So Warriors back there, but yeah, just disappointing on the effort in game seven.

So where do we go from here?

Leafs fans.

I mean, Marner during the game, the cameras obviously caught him.

Maybe he was getting the team fired up, but he looked disappointed.

He did a press conference today.

He seemed to be non-committal about whether or not he was coming back.

He ain't coming back.

Did we blow it up?

Are we blowing it up?

I got a question before that about the Marner clip of him yelling to the team.

Was his hair too dry to be yelling like that?

Listen, like,

I'm asking.

The internet's going to run with it.

I think that, like, you know, obviously he's wearing a letter and he's trying to be a leader in that situation.

I think it's a little bit difficult when it's a guy like that at that particular time saying something where maybe he hasn't been at his best, especially come that second round.

There's a stat.

I think he's played

like 20 to 22 games, games five to seven throughout his playoff career at the Toronto Maple Leafs, and he doesn't have a goal and he's got seven assists.

So based on his regular season performance and numbers, like he just hasn't lived lived up to what not only he's being paid, but what the hype is

in crunch time.

And I think that that is a little bit of the criticism that's being snapped around as far as the whole core four.

For those of you listening who are not fully aware of this situation, the Toronto Maple Leafs have had these four guys, John Tavares, Austin Matthews, William E.

Lander, and Mitch Marner, who, you know, making a lot of money.

The core group for the Toronto Maple Leafs have constantly been criticized about not being able to make it out of the second round.

sometimes they can't even make it out of the first round and uh ultimately this was kind of the last season where you were going to see the four assembled where mitch marner's contracts up they try to trade him at the deadline for miko rotnen and that became made public along all the other along all the other things where like i guess you could say mitch and his camp have felt disrespected and where the leafs have maybe lacked loyalty towards him but at the end of the day like the core four hasn't gotten it done They're all making big, big money.

Mitch Marner off his entry-level contract signed a deal where he's making $10 million.

So there's only been one player who makes $10 million or more who has ever won a Stanley Cup.

And that just speaks to the volumes of how with the hard cap, you have to snap the money around and you can't just rely on a couple guys throughout these runs.

Like it has to be...

like you you have to snap the money around serge bobrovsky is that guy who has won it he's got a cap hit of exactly $10 million.

John Tavares is at 11.

Austin Matthews, who just re-signed a contract, he's making 13.5.

He was playing hurt throughout these playoffs.

I think the diagnosis and what exactly he was playing through will come out later on.

He did score in game six, but as far as offensive output compared to the regular season, just like Mitch, he struggled also.

But I think people are a little bit more lenient on Austin Matthews because he has to play center and he's good defensively.

He breaks up a lot of plays.

I mean, in the first two games at home in the series against Florida, you know, he was, they were, they were plus three.

Like they'd scored three goals their line against Sasha Barkov, who's an incredible two-way centerman for the Florida Panthers.

So they were, maybe he wasn't lighting up the score sheet, but he was doing his job stopping him defensively and doing everything else that is involved in a good 200-foot game.

So John Taveras, who was the older guy who was from Toronto, who was brought in as a free agent, signed a seven-year deal when he left the New York Islanders and Frankie.

He's done that contract.

So I would be surprised if they brought him back, but they might with a hometown discount.

So three of the four core four members might be back.

My theory would be that you bring back Nielander, you bring back Matthews, and you can build around those guys.

Marner and Taveras coming off the books, you have 21 million to spend right there in free agency.

So that's kind of the synopsis as to what's going on.

And

it's shitty, man.

It was brutal.

Like to see, Witt described it perfectly.

Like Mitch Marner is a Toronto kid who was drafted top five to them, played for the London Knights in the OHL, gets to live his childhood dream playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs.

He's making all-star games, putting up 99-point, 100-point seasons.

Obviously, we talked about his playoff performance, but

his last game is a Toronto Maple Leaf.

They get get beat 6-1 at home and they're getting booed off the ice jerseys on the ice beers being thrown on the ice like just like not how you thought that it would end for like you know a dream scenario of this kid getting to play in his hometown so he won't be back it sucks um i do feel bad for him as far as the amount of heat that he's probably taking personally i don't think that I think that when you are very vocal and a little bit greedy in contract negotiations, thinking that you're worth a certain amount and you don't live up to that, especially in crunch time.

I mean, it's Toronto.

You're playing in a big market.

You want to put yourself in that situation and not snap the money around a little bit more other places.

Well, you're going to have to fall on the sword, right?

I think that getting guys that are from Toronto might actually just make the problem worse because they've grown up as, you know, with all the Leafs failures that they've had in the playoffs, like that moment becomes bigger if it's a team that you grew up rooting for.

And now you're in that moment, right?

Yeah, I would agree with that because you really can't escape it, right?

Like your roots are in Toronto.

Everybody you know is a Leaves fan.

Like you, you just can't get out of your bubble.

And that's where I sympathize for these guys.

We had Matthew Kachuk on to come stuff me in a locker for the, what, 14th time this season?

on yesterday's podcast.

And he goes, I feel for those guys.

They competed, but he goes, any other market, if they're living somewhere else, I feel like they're a way better team.

Essentially saying that the pressure and of how ridiculous fans are in Toronto,

it's counteractive.

It's not even necessarily home ice advantage.

In fact, you'd rather go play on the road like they did in game six, get away from the noise, but buddy, you're playing in the big smoke.

Like, yo, I, I,

you know, you be vocal about not not signing there or don't bend them over in contract negotiations.

And the, but, but going back, though, that is the, one of the bigger issues that I have with who is in charge and when they handed these deals over.

Like, I think that, you know, Bitch Marner, Austin Matthews, William Nielander are incredible players.

Nielander actually, out of his entry level, only ended up signing a $7 million deal.

So he was being fairly paid, if not maybe a little bit underpaid.

But Matthews and Marner got the big tickets, right?

And that's where I feel like they, because they were restricted, if I was the general manager, I would have said, hey, I get that you guys are going to be superstars in this league, but you haven't proven shit.

So this is the number we're prepared to offer you.

You're restricted.

If you don't want to sign it, sit the fuck at home and we'll get the job done without you until you want to sign something that's more of a fair deal.

Yeah, I got a fun little game that we can play, and then maybe we can move on to some things that aren't Maple Leafs related.

But I'm going to give you a list of things, and you tell me if these things happened before or after the Leafs won their last Stanley Cup.

This is good, okay?

All right, post-it notes were invented.

I would say that those were invented past, post.

For people at home, the last time Elise won the cup was 67.

67.

67.

Yeah, that's bang on.

That was after they won the last Stanley Cup.

The Rubik's Cube.

I would say the Rubik's Cube is after they won the cup.

It's also after they won the cup.

Yeah.

Next one, dialing 911.

I would say that you could, I mean, where phones?

Yeah, I would say that was before.

No, that was after also.

That was after they won.

The ATM.

Oh, for sure, after.

That was also after.

The Nation of the Bahamas.

After?

That's also after.

Yeah.

Star Wars.

After.

Also after, correct.

And Landing on the Moon.

After?

Also after.

Yeah, they were all after.

These are all things that have happened since they won the Stanley Cup.

Wow.

Was that a fun game?

That's a tough one.

That's a real tough one.

Yeah, that

yeah, Leafs fans are cursed.

It's much like the Boston Red Sox before they won theirs, the curse of the Bambino.

And I actually thought that there was a chance, maybe there was a chance in that game where kind of like when the Boston Red Sox were down in game four,

weren't they down like 3-4-0 in that game and rallied to win game four and then rattled off four straight wins?

I thought maybe at...

Maybe when Max Domey put that in for a split second, I thought there was a possibility they could come back in that game.

But 45 seconds later, they made it 4-1 and then the onslaught of jerseys and beers started flooding the ice and they got booed.

Ty Dome knew when they showed him in the stands.

Yeah.

He was just like, he didn't even think about celebrating down 3-1.

And he was just, it was just steel jaw.

All right, so let's go from bad to worse.

So you, the Maple Leaves lose.

You get like mocked online relentlessly.

Everyone's laughing at you.

And then

one of your number, one of your like top foes, two days later, gets out of jail.

Glassbanger's out of jail.

Correct.

And

he's going to go to the games and see the stars.

The wrestling conference final.

Oh, he might not.

I don't know if they're going to, I don't think they're going to let him in the building.

Okay, okay.

So, okay.

So, for those of you who don't know, they've had this longtime fan in Dallas who wears an all-white suit and he has a cardboard cutout that says hashtag bang.

And when the play goes in the offensive zone, or like when Dallas is there, or when the play even comes near him, he's like standing up and banging on the glass and like body checking the glass.

He's essentially their sixth man in on the four check, but he's so obnoxious and he brings like hookers to the game.

So he just completely annoys everybody in his section, including the people who are sitting behind him.

Like they don't want to see this guy standing up, blocking the vision and

creating all this noise.

And nobody likes glass bangers at hockey games it's a faux pas you don't bang on the glass like those people are the most painful annoying people on the planet so he apparently had a bunch of duis and then like didn't show up for his court date and in december of 2024 so about what six months ago five six months ago he got thrown in the clink so he was gone obviously he wasn't in his seats for the first two rounds well i think he just got out in the last couple days.

So the Dallas stars have been rolling.

They beat the Colorado Avalanche, who people, a lot of people thought could win the Stanley Cup with the roster they had.

They didn't have their top scorer and best defenseman in the lineup.

They get through Colorado.

Well, their top scorer comes back.

They still were waiting on their best defenseman.

Well, they end up winning the last round and getting through that one against the Winnipeg Jets in six games.

So all of a sudden, hey, smooth sailing.

They're going to play the Edmonton Oilers, a very difficult conference finals.

And then he drops the hammer today on twitter that he's back and they get their best fan back holy

uh i would say best slash worst depends who you ask right i think in his i just love the rivalry you have with him yeah

it's not i'm just i'm just fascinated by him because the leafs have never gone against him it's more about like is he aware that his own fans hate his guts i'm sure he is aware of that uh is he actually going to be in his seats come game one of the the conference finals because they have home nice advantage advantage, right?

Wit's loving this.

Like, he's like, Wit might buy his tickets to put him in that seat because he's such a mush for them.

And he's more of a distraction than

a fan, including rattling all the other people who have had peace and quiet for this last six months at Vallastars games.

Yeah.

But think about the prostitutes.

They're going to be happy.

Oh, yeah.

The money train's back.

The bartender.

I'll show your viewers a picture of him unless you guys are able to pick it up.

Yeah, you can send it to me and we'll put it in the YouTube.

Yeah.

Yep, look at that.

I'm back, baby.

Oh, man.

I just love any fans that think they matter this much.

It's the best.

This is what makes sports so fun.

He thinks you should be paid like Mitch Martin.

Yeah, right, right.

So, all right, so let's talk about this series.

Who's going to win?

And how is Wit feeling?

So I picked.

The Oilers, and then Witt said, no, you can't.

You're done.

You're a mush.

Stay away from my team.

So then I switched my pick to Dallas and seven.

I'll be heartbroken for either of these teams because Pete DeBoer, the Dallas stars head coach, he's never won a Stanley Cup.

He's, he's been to the conference finals, I want to say the last seven years, guys.

And he's been fired in two of those years.

So he went with, I believe San Jose Sharks was one of them.

And then the Vegas Golden Knights was the other one that he went with.

And he's just kind of been shipped around and he's found a great home in Dallas.

So he's 9-0 in game game sevens in playoff history.

So if it does go seven, look out.

He's undefeated.

And also Jamie Benn, their captain, who hasn't won a Stanley Cup.

I would put Jamie Benn up there with like Joe Thornton.

And the list goes on of a certain few, like Jerome McGinla, like legends who have never won the big one, who you feel bad if they retire and they never got the hoist to Stanley Cup.

Connor McDavid.

Connor McDavid at this point, but he's only halfway through his career.

And he hasn't won the big one.

And he's in his prime.

But boys, like,

I have a hard time betting against the oilers right now because you got leon and connor the the biggest dynamic duo um in sports right now and the fact that they're getting secondary scoring finally like the the i believe that that they've gotten goals outside of connor and leon i think they have 16 goals right now contributed by like they see their their um

like their bottom six slash role guys.

And all of last year's run, they only had, I believe, 12 or 14.

So already halfway through playoffs, they've outscored last year's role players, which is huge, man, because I talked about it.

Like you're when you're like with the Toronto Maple Leafs, when you're paying all the top guys, like it's hard because you can't just rely on a few players.

You really, truly need everyone.

So they've been getting great contributions from everyone.

Dallas has home ice.

They're a wagon.

They got that Miro Haskin in back, who will be the best defenseman in that, all-around defenseman in that series.

Evan Bouchard on Edmonton's side is a lethal offensive defenseman who's been playing incredible.

So guys, it's like both of these teams could easily win a Stanley Cup,

but the problem is they're going to beat the shit out of each other.

And then Florida gets to play Carolina, which I think they'll make damage of in about five or six and then a little bit easier of a path to get to the Stanley Cup finals, in my opinion.

I think everybody would agree that

Oilers and Dallas playing each other, like those are two juggernauts going at it.

So with the with the Hurricanes, you think that this is a matchup where the Panthers should dominate?

So there's a few things that Carolina has on its side.

They have home ice advantage.

They were able to beat Washington in five games, so they do have rest.

So they've been sitting there waiting at home for the Leafs and Panthers to finish the seven-game series.

Well, they finished Sunday.

I just talked to you about how physical Florida is.

Like

this could be, if they make it pass this round, their third straight Stanley Cup final.

So that's a lot of hockey being played, boys.

Like we're not talking about

a sport with no contact.

We're talking about one of the most physical, if not the most physical sport in the world, especially based on the grind, 82 games and then going through playoffs every other day.

So Carolina, they got great goaltending.

They have rest.

They have home ice advantage.

And the fact that Florida has played so much hockey, to me,

I wouldn't be shocked if it goes seven games with Carolina, but I think that Florida should win this series in six, if not maybe five games.

Yeah, that's my opinion.

And a lot of people have been criticizing Carolina about maybe playing boring hockey.

They do.

Compared to boring hockey when the New Jersey Devils were doing like the left-wing lock and hanging out in the neutral zone in 2-1 games,

Carolina goes.

Like they might not get all these amazing

glorious scoring chances because they tend to just throw a lot of pucks towards the net maybe from non-threatening positions but they're also sending guys there and then like on the four check like their d you're pinching like they're getting up and they swarm you so at least it's like fast and in your face where it's like you know it's not just sitting back and and necessarily extremely boring and i feel like florida and carolina have very similar systems in the sense that they're very aggressive with their d they're great at filtering back and and like protecting like the forwards are great at supporting their defensemen who are pushing up.

They both have great goaltending.

They both have extremely good penalty kills.

I would give the advantage to Florida on the power play.

Carolina did struggle early in that series against Washington.

They started figuring it out towards the end, but Florida comes at you like so hard.

And then as far as Carolina is concerned, I want to say they were top one or two penalty kills all season long.

And that's the case every year, year over year.

So

that was the one thing that I came away really impressed with the Hurricanes on is their, their penalty kill.

On the penalty kill, not only do they stop you from getting shots off and stop you from getting through the neutral zone, they also counterattack really well on the penalty.

They get opportunities for a shorthanded goal almost every time.

As a player, what makes a great penalty kill?

They are just well connected.

So they don't just sit back.

in like a little like they call it the box or sometimes they call it the triangle depending how the offense sets up you basically basically like rotate it to take away what the offense is trying to accomplish.

But they'll have one guy attack where, okay, well, then the offensive player will move it to the open guy.

But that next guy for Carolina knows that his guy is going.

So they anticipate one another.

So they all close on you very quick.

So you have to make like two, three quick, really, really good plays in order to beat their defense where, you know, with how hard they come and how fast they pressure, it's hard, like at that level to make like two, three really quick, good plays.

And if you're able to accomplish that, you probably will end up getting a scoring chance.

So Florida, Florida is, is very strong on their power play because they have good high options with guys who can shoot the puck and have bombs, but they also have really good low plays.

So they have a good option everywhere, Florida, including Sam Reinhart, who is up for the one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL.

Like him and Sasha Barkov on Florida are up for the Selkie Trophy.

So not only are they amazing offensive players, but they're being recognized as how good they are defensively.

Like Sam Reinhart's a 50 goal scorer.

So he is in their bumper position where if Kachuk doesn't like the low play, he'll hit him in the slot and boom, it's off the stick top corner, just a lethal sniper.

So

I would, like I said, advantage power play for Florida, but both of them lethal, lethal penalty kills.

And Carolina,

they roll four lines and they're high high energy all game long.

They have six great defensemen, four great lines.

So they're able to maintain that high pace throughout the course of the 60 minutes.

Rarely do you see lulls because they're not just relying on the top guys all the time.

They spread the ice time out very evenly, as does Florida.

Like Florida's got two guys, two forwards sitting out that could easily be inserted in the lineup and you wouldn't even notice and wouldn't even blink.

And they could put one of those guys like Boquist on the top line with Barkov and he would fit right in because Barkov's just that nasty.

So I think that high-end superstar talent also advantage Florida, but let's see if the rest

and the home ice and the fact that Florida's beat up can pay dividends for Carolina because the last three times Carolina's been to the conference finals, they haven't won a game.

They got swept by

I believe they got swept by the Pittsburgh Penguins, the Boston Bruins, and then last time, two years ago, the Florida Panthers.

Like we had the series.

The games were very close.

They were all, I believe, one goal games, but you know, they just, Florida can play any way you want.

That's what makes them dogs.

Oh, you want to play the up and down game?

We'll play that.

Oh, you want to lock shit down?

We'll lock shit down too.

Oh, you want to try to be physical?

Oh, yeah, we'll fucking stuff you in a locker.

So they are just, they're a, Florida is a well, well-oiled machine.

And who are the two best most noticeable players on the ice in game seven against the Leafs?

Brad Marshawn, Seth Jones, the two guys they make deals for at the deadline.

So as far as management top to down, Florida's looking good.

Rank the four goalies left.

Oh, wow.

So,

I would probably have to put Bob at the top, Bobrofsky, just because he's been there, done that.

He seems very dialed, like maybe not as good early in the series against Toronto, but he tends to figure things out as the series progresses.

And like I said, he's just locked in right now.

Guys, got a couple couple Vesnas, Stanley Cup champion.

He gets the nod.

Two, I would put Ottinger,

up and coming USA goaltender, just beat out Hellebuck, who is the starter for Team USA at the Four Nations.

He's really trying to prove himself as the number one American goaltender, especially ahead of next year's Olympics.

And he seems very dialed right now.

And yeah, I would put him as the number two.

And Freddie, I would say shared position at number two with Freddie Anderson.

Freddie Anderson's with Carolina.

He's dealt with a lot of injuries, blood clots, you name it.

Didn't play the whole season this year.

He shared the net, but these playoffs, I think he has the best save percentage right now going in to the conference finals.

Like he's been unbelievable.

That's a testament to also the guys in front of him and how they play team defense.

He also looks like Ed Sheeran.

So there's a little fun fact.

Wednesday.

Wenham

is for Halloween one year.

So if you guys want to check out that costume online.

And then last, I would put the Oilers goaltending.

It's been shaky.

Pickard went in for Stuart Skinner.

Stuart Skinner got the reset, and he's gotten shutouts in his back-to-back games in the last round against the Vegas Golden Knights.

So no disrespect to him.

He's an Edmonton kid.

You talked about pressure of being a Toronto kid playing in Toronto.

He's been pretty vocal about the anxiety that he deals with because of the amount of pressure playing in a Canadian market as a starting goaltender.

He's got the net back after Calvin Pickard kind of saved them a little bit, and he's posted back-to-back shutouts against the Vegas Golden Knights.

So he's the fourth guy, but like last year, he turned it on the later it got in a playoff.

And the bounce back from the, I mean, the horrendous goal he let up for the one game that the Knights won, he then bounces back with back-to-back shutouts.

So it's like that might be a change in like his toughness grit.

Like he answered the bell in that.

You know what, Big Cat?

Sometimes sometimes when you're maybe playing a little too much hockey, especially as a goaltender, you get away from your fundamentals and you start being a little bit like

slipping around too much, not being in position.

And,

you know, when I was doing radio for the Phoenix Coyotes, Rick Tockett was the head coach and we had Darcy Kemper.

And this year he had an incredible year with the LA Kings.

He was nominated for the Vesna Trophy.

And

he was scrambling like that.

And they gave him like a a week to reset with Corey Schwab, the goaltending coach.

And then he came back and he was one of the best goaltenders the rest of the year.

So, sometime is a goalie because when you're being put out there, you have to stay focused a whole 60 minutes.

Like, guys are getting a change, and you know, if they make a mistake, well, they got the defense to help them out.

Well, if the defense makes a mistake, they got the goalie to help them out.

They're the last man there, right?

Right.

So, sometimes they just need that mental reset, get back to their old techniques, and that could pay massive, massive dividends.

And, and I'm happy for them, man.

That's, It must be a mental grind going through a season in Canada like that.

Yeah.

So are you rooting for Ryan Whitney to get a Stanley Cup?

Like how intolerable is he going to be?

No, he's not nearly as intolerable as I am with the Toronto Maple Leaves.

I actually give him full marks and full credit.

And,

you know, for me, it's...

It's been over 30 years now since Canada has brought home a Stanley Cup.

A lot of Americans like to use that against us.

I want the Americans to keep in mind these American teams teams are like built of 50% Canadian players on these rosters that are winning them the Stanley Cup.

But I would like, especially this season after winning four nations and, you know, the USA, all the barking going on and USA, I would like the Cup to come back to Canada for that reason.

And of course, like Connor McDavid, man, what he's done for the sport.

um the most electrifying hockey player we've seen since wayne gretzky and just for every you know every fiber of his being that he's put into the game and um you know living up in Canada, I hope he wins the big one.

Yeah.

Because just like I was happy when Ovi won the big one, right?

That was something like a scarlet letter that was being used against them where, you know, he got that and then nobody ever talked about that again.

He can ride off into the sunset.

And I really hope that Conor McDavid, David, and Leon Dreisetto are able to help them win a Stanley Cup.

And like Edmonton, the people of Edmonton are the nicest people on the planet.

Like, I really want them to, like, that's all they live for.

Yeah.

It'd be nice.

That's it.

It'd be nice.

I have one question about Ovie because after seeing him in this series, I had some dark thoughts about Ovie after game five.

He didn't seem to be really skating around that much.

He was kind of just getting out on the ice standing there.

He looked slow when he was skating.

Is this something, should I be worried about Ovie going into next year?

I think that next year, like it's the last year of his contract.

I believe he signed a three-year extension a few years ago.

Yeah, he said he wasn't retiring.

Yeah, he's not.

I figured he would come back for sure next year.

I mean, why wouldn't you?

He scored, what do you have, 42 goals and he broke his leg and missed some games.

I think he played just over 60 games.

So when you're on that type of heater, like, why would you?

And they have a solid team around him, so it'll be enjoyable.

I would assume they make playoffs again next year.

He's just slowing down a little bit.

It's just, you know, the, the,

the, the, the, what's the term on that?

Father time is undefeated.

Father time.

Fucking rights, big cat.

We just saved me there.

And I think in playoffs, I think that did hurt them a little bit, if I'm not lying.

I think that he should have been playing around 15 minutes a game for them to be efficient.

And I think that he wanted to play more, thinking that he could help the team.

But with how fast the Carolina was, like they were getting exposed in that area.

Like, I don't think that Ovi's a 20-minute game guy now.

So I think that next year he will return.

I think he'll be playing right where he normally plays on the power play.

And I wouldn't be shocked if he scores another 30 goals.

But if he continues to slow down, it's just hard in today's day and age to keep up as far as skating.

And he has been vocal about wanting to go play one more year and finishing off his career in Russia.

Don't know if that's still the case, but I could see him after next year going back to the KHL and playing one more year and really having his final swan song and goodbye.

I really, really hope, and this is not a political conversation at all.

Next year's Olympics, Russia's not going to be playing.

It would suck because, like, politics out the window, it would be probably Evgeny Malkins and

Ovi's last opportunity to play in the Olympics.

And there's just so much momentum for the league, and there's so many good Russian players that are now coming into the NHL.

Like, you had Michkov this year, who was in Philadelphia, Kirill Kaprisov.

Like, this kid is a top 10 player in the NHL, no doubt, worth the price of admission.

This Nikitian kid who just showed up in Carolina, who I didn't mention during my breakdown with them, like

they would have, like they could win a gold medal.

That's how good their young guys are, along with the nostalgia of having Ovi and Malkin kind of passing off the torch, as well as the fact that it probably would be Sidney Crosby's last Olympics, right?

Those two guys entered the league at the same time and have carried the torch for 20 years.

Like we are blessed as hockey fans at the fact that these kids lived up to every bit of hype and surpassed it like insurmountably.

So, to see all of not only Russia, Canada,

the list goes on, Sweden, Finland.

I think Germany is going to be there with Leon Dreisaito.

It would just be so good for the sport with the momentum it has off of four nations.

And would you guys not agree?

Like, I don't know how hard core of hockey fans you are compared to other sports, but nothing has even came close to what the playoffs have provided in the first place.

Oh, it's been great.

Yeah, the playoffs are the best.

It's insane yeah i think it i think the stanley cup is the hardest tournament to win it is no doubt i think it's harder to win a stanley cup than uh nba championship i know it's impossible to actually measure those together but just by the vibe of how things go and how hard these teams play it feels like it's an absolute grinder to get to the playoffs in hockey buddy florida just finished a seven-game series They went to Toronto, packed for three games, and then won that game, flew to Carolina, and now they're playing tonight.

Like we have the broadcast.

So less than 48 hours you're suiting up again for another seven game series playing every other night in these humid temperatures carolina florida and then if they win that they got to go play another round against edmonton or dallas and then start on the road like it's it's a grind boys and uh agreed hockey's on a heater and i have so much respect for these players all right i got one last question for you biz we always love having you on hey barskill fans pft here making my irish entrance with proper number 12 irish whiskey how do you make an irish entrance, you ask?

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I want you to be honest with this question.

Game six, Leafs Panthers happens.

Was there a small part of you that was like, holy shit, Oldie is my good luck charm.

We're going to win it all with Oldie.

I thought that by the time that Toronto's run was over, there would be a statue of him outside of Scotiabankers.

Because I had the same feeling.

I was like, oh my God, I think maybe this is, I think Oldie may be able to pull this off.

So the craziest part about all this.

So like, let's talk, let's talk about Oldie for a second, how this all came to be.

I believe during Four Nations, I came on your pod and you guys were talking about the stream you're going to have.

And I said, we need Canadian representation.

Yep.

You guys kind of got the ball going on that.

You had about four or five people who you were considering for applicants to come in and watch it.

And then Yans must have, I think he listens to every single one of your shows.

And he said, boys, I got to send in this oldie guy.

Yep.

So he put you guys in touch with this oldie and you saw one second of his videos and you're like, this guy's electric.

We're bringing him in.

So he does what he does on your guys' stream.

You guys hire him.

He becomes famous overnight, rightfully so, even though he'd done a bunch of stuff for NHL guys and teams in the past.

So fast forward to the other day.

where I before he, Yans, it came on your podcast, I mentioned that I was going back to Welland, Ontario for game five to go to a local watering hole to bring luck to the Leafs.

So Yans was trying to figure out where I was going to go.

And he said on your show, he's like, I'm going to have Oldie buddy

buddy him up

and try to get information so I could send Panthers fans to where Biz is watching the game to fuck with their mojo.

Well, Oldie listened to that and then he DM'd me on Twitter.

Then he tried to call me on Twitter.

I didn't even know you could do that.

He's a big FaceTimer.

Big FaceTimer.

He loves the FaceTime.

So I'm like, well, I'm going home.

I texted Yans.

I said, hey, can I get Oldie's number?

And I invited him down to Welland.

And after just spending three hours with him, even though Toronto got shit kicked, I was like, he's like the most positive guy in the world.

He's like, he's like, well, get him in six and four.

And I'm, and then, and then Merle texted the chat.

He goes, you should send him down there.

So I had my lucky shirt on me.

I said, would you go down there with my lucky shirt to bring the leaf some mojo?

Absolutely.

He's got a wife, two kids.

He's on the next plane down there.

Takes the day off work and then then does what he does behind the glass and makes friends with everybody.

And I'm like, well, we got to send him to gain seven.

And that didn't work at all.

It was close, though.

Did he get kicked out?

Is that what happened?

I saw a cop escorting him up the steps.

That was in Sunrise.

They couldn't handle his little, he calls it his pocket pussy.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, we're very

intimately familiar.

The reason I brought up Yans coming on your show was because Yans has been rooting for the Panthers, played there, still hangs around with a bunch of those guys.

Like, they love him there.

He banged the drum with the biz idiot shirt on.

It got them going for game four.

And then they fucking smoked the Leafs too.

But he almost ruined the Panthers.

Like their own guy

created that, put it into the universe.

And that's how oldie came to be, at least for the Leafs in this round.

So it would have been so poetic that if Yans would have said that, and then Oldie would have pulled off victories in game six and seven, and then he would have been off to the Eastern Conference finals, but it didn't come to be.

And there's one other thing I wanted to mention, and I'm sure you guys talked to Witt or even Yans about it, is

that Miko Ratnan.

You guys have been following this story?

Yeah, unreal.

So this is a guy who won a Stanley Cup with the Colorado Avalanche, and they were going through contract negotiations, and basically

they never gave him a final offer and said, hey, if you don't sign this, we're going to trade you.

And I believe that he would have taken eight years times 12 million in Colorado to stay.

Well, they were kind of going through the negotiations.

Things went a little bit silent, and then boom, he gets blindsided, goes to Carolina.

He didn't want to go to Carolina to begin with.

Carolina asked to start negotiations even before they made the move.

And Ranton and his camp were like,

no, we don't want to go there.

That's not the style of play.

We want to try to work things out with Colorado.

They make the trade regardless.

He goes to Carolina.

He's there for three weeks.

Obviously, it's not going to work out.

And they ship him to the same fucking division as Colorado and Dallas.

And then he goes on that heater that he's been on.

This is the dominance that he performed over the first two rounds is some of the likes we've, I think him and Wayne Gretzky are the only ones that had that many points in that period of time in the Stanley Cup playoffs.

So talk about a kick in the dick, but I'm so happy for him having gone through all that bullshit for whatever it was, six weeks, two months, to now find a landing spot, sign an eight times 12 extension, and then no state tax, and then be on the heater he's on.

And I would say right now, he's probably the favorite for the Con Smythe.

And I just wanted to mention him before I logged off because he deserves his flowers, and he's an absolute playoff beast right now.

Yeah, he's been awesome.

And yeah, you're right.

The playoffs have been incredible, and we love watching you.

So everyone tune in, TNT.

Biz, you're the best.

We'll have you back on.

Sorry about the leaves.

We love you, man.

I love you, boys.

Keep doing your thing, and I appreciate you guys having me on as always.

And thank you for,

of course, thank you you to Yance for bringing Oldie into our lives, but thank you for really putting him on that pedestal that he deserves and snapping the love of what is oldie around.

Yeah, he's absolutely the best.

He is the best.

All right, we'll see you, Biz.

Was that the that might have been the biggest free agency signing of like the year?

Easily.

Easily.

Yes, Oldie.

Easily.

He is the absolute best.

He has the ability to just talk anybody down.

If anyone's mad at him, he becomes their best friend in about two seconds.

Two seconds.

I love you, boys.

Thank you, as always.

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And now for something completely different.

Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very, very special guest.

It is our Schwam, Chris Berman.

And you're probably thinking, hey, schwam outside of football season?

Huh?

Huh?

Well, we wanted to have him on because he just signed a multi-year contract extension with ESPN, and it will run through 2029 when he will become the first employee at ESPN to hit the 50-year mark.

So we wanted to congratulate Schwamm, have him on, catch up.

First of all, congratulations.

Incredible.

I think you, you, last time we saw you, you said that we get to plan your 50

celebration, the party, right?

Absolutely.

Oh, absolutely.

I mean, you guys are le crancha and le croconteur.

I mean, I thought we'd be really speaking, well, Toronto's not French, but at any rate,

I appreciate it.

I fooled them one last time, fellas.

I mean, you know, you can only fool them so long, but I,

you know, like I said, you read it.

I started at 24.

I mean, our grandfathers are my grandfathers era, maybe you work 40 or 50 years at a company, not now, and not in our business.

And

I pitched myself.

It's pretty cool.

And you guys have always been so kind.

You had the imitations right out of the gate.

So I appreciate it.

Yeah, it really is cool because it is something that in this business specifically,

you don't make it that far.

You don't work 50 years at a company.

You don't work 50 years in the spotlight.

And you've done it.

And

it's it's really cool.

It's just a really cool accomplishment.

So have you had, I mean, I know that this is the contract extension.

Have you had thoughts like, hey, I got one more in me after this one too?

Just keep running it.

I want to see you keep going.

I mean, look, I'll be 75 when this is over.

Let's hope I have, you know, I'm not worried about, well,

let's just hope 75 is an easy.

accomplishment and we'll go from there.

But look,

I never thought of 50.

i think we might have talked about this i don't remember at the super bowl i don't think so um i never thought of it okay yes bam was very kind 45 years they made a deal of it and i was

you know my god i'm looking at myself in the mirror is this really you 45 years same place and i was asked a couple of times so do you want to make it to 50 and i i never that was never a goal fellas i mean that's not

i mean

i'm not in my wildest dreams.

And you'd hope to be in the business 30 years, let alone the same place 50, right?

So I started thinking about it and I brought it to our president's attention, not in negotiation or anything, but in the fall, he goes, oh, you can, you know,

you got to be here to our first Super Bowl in two years.

I said, well, I hope so.

I'd love to be.

Bye, bye, bye.

I guess that's up to you, isn't it, Jimmy?

He goes, yeah, I guess it is.

So I just told you.

And I went, you know what would be cool?

Not because it's me, but

we may never have a 50-year employee again.

I mean, we probably will, I mean, in engineering or a lot of different departments, but 50 years, you got to start young, right?

So, what are the odds of even starting in your 20s and being still hopefully very good at your job?

I'm not saying I am, but let's say an engineer is in his or her 70s.

So,

yeah, I'm not.

One more.

I haven't gotten this one done yet.

Let's reconvene after the party.

Then we all may be hurting a little bit.

Yeah.

I think that would be an all-time record that would probably stand for forever.

Yeah.

And you put it in perspective, we've been doing this show for 10 years.

Imagine doing this five times as like not even 10 years yet for us, but imagine doing this five times as much as we've done it.

It's a testament to you.

It's a testament to the people that you've worked with.

But like you have been a mainstay, I think, for a lot of people's sports childhoods all the way up through adulthoods.

And so we're glad that we're going to see you there.

It would be weird if you went somewhere else.

Did that thought ever occur to you?

Was it going to be ESPN or nowhere?

Or were you thinking like, hey, maybe I could join, maybe I joined Barcelona Sports?

Would it be cool?

Well, you never know.

There's time for everything.

But

to be honest,

no,

because my guy said, you know, if this gets tricky, which it wasn't.

Are you interested in anything?

Absolutely not.

If you read my bio, of course, everything changes, but I mean, this was written really 30 years ago, fellas, or 25 years ago.

And unfortunately, a lot of the people in the quote in my bio have passed.

I said, I want to be Walter Payton, for example.

I want to be Tony Gwynn,

to whom we've lost.

George Brett,

maybe now more modern terms, you know, a Derek Jeter.

maybe a,

you know, someone that started and finished with my very first job, but really for all intents and purposes, it was.

Someone that started and finished with the same ball club.

I mean, that's

now I know where I wouldn't,

you know, I thought of Franco Harris carrying the ball as a Seahawk.

I thought of Tony Dorsetta.

Tony and I have laughed about it.

That's Franco, another one we've missed, and he and I have laughed about it too.

Tony Dorsetta's final year was a Bronco.

Like,

I know

some of them are fine, but that was like the last year.

So, if this is my last, no,

no, I couldn't.

Yeah, it's

hard.

No, thank you.

Emmett Smith on the Cardinals.

Always, whenever that pops up, I'm like, whoa, I forgot about that.

All right.

So, so you were definitely staying with the SPN this time.

What was the closest you ever got to maybe leaving in your 50 years?

Because I'm sure now that you've stayed, you can laugh about it.

But was there a moment, and do you remember that moment of like, oh, well, these people, I don't know, we got to see what happens?

Well, I guess once you turn 70, you can give some secrets up, right?

Right, exactly.

So we're good now.

Well, one I've talked about,

but that was a different time.

So

the real

time was 10 years in, started in 79,

89.

The ESPN and even cable, cable was big by then but ESPN was it was different okay so basically I'll try to boil it down

NBC Dick Ebersole inquired um

would you like to come over

well I I mean I you know my contract's running up in a little bit

they they essentially offer me times four

now let's not get carried away this isn't just 1989

cable TV.

To be honest with you, I wasn't,

you know, I was 160,000 maybe.

Okay, so this isn't, oh,

20 million versus 10 million.

I mean, I've never gotten to those, nor was I thinking.

I mean, so this is a different time for our company, which is fair.

But

actually, there's another story I will tell you right before this, too, that's interesting.

I hadn't thought of it.

get back to this i you know and bob constas was doing their football show at the time, so that wasn't open.

They said it was going to be soon,

but that wasn't open, and I was already doing it.

Admittedly, just two years at ESPN, 87, 88, when we got the NFL

and prime time had started.

We didn't have baseball yet,

so it was interesting.

And I went to our guys.

Steve Bornstein wasn't the president.

He was about to be, but

he and I, really.

I said, Steve, I went to Brown.

It's times four.

I can add,

you know,

because I can too.

I said, so

we've not broken the mold, not only on somebody on the air, but really anyone, let's say, high up in programming or any.

I know this is a tough decision, but, and it inched along for a little bit for a couple months, never

rough, never nasty, I mean.

And I finally said to him, I said, Steve, Steve, you're not a golfer,

but you got to get to within a nine-iron.

And I don't know what that means.

And I want to stay.

And I said, I will tell you one other thing.

And maybe

I'm telling stuff I shouldn't.

I reached a little farther and I said,

the company may be watching this one.

Not because I'm so good, but

where we've gone, where we've come,

If I go and they're the top in their area, well, they're not going to help me out either if something.

Yeah.

He actually, no, no, to give Steve, and there's a actually,

he said, thank you for saying that.

And within another week,

he got within an iron iron.

And in the end,

look, the beauty about one of the many beauty things that's saying at the SPM was 10 years, like, you guys, you built something from the ground up.

There's a lot to be said for that.

It wasn't only me, but we built brick and mortar from the ground up.

A lot of us, names you'll never know.

For sports, like you guys get to talk golf, hockey, NBA, college.

Want to talk darts on this show for 10 minutes?

You could.

We cover everything.

Now, we may not have the Super Bowl or the World Series or U.S.

Open Columb, but I got to go to all of them, cover them all.

Well, or talk about them on the air every day.

So, if you love sports,

there was that part.

Why would you want to leave?

Now,

to fast forward where I didn't think I'd be going in this story, bringing up Steve's name,

when it was announced a week ago, I heard from him right away.

I mean, he's long been out.

George Bodenheimer, I heard from George.

Those two guys were president, added up maybe 22 of the 45 years.

That's the kind of place we had.

And

my release at the time, the press release said it was a Brian Adams decision.

It was straight from the heart.

And

I couldn't go.

I couldn't.

And it was the best move I never made, even though more money, bigger at the time, but was it?

You know, that's not a knockout NBC, of course.

It's just,

I live, I'm from here.

I didn't necessarily want to live in New York City.

I didn't necessarily want to do that.

Young, young kids.

Now, one other interesting story that

I rarely bring up, rarely.

This is a year before.

So it sounds like I'm looking to leave.

I'm not, but I'm like this.

From 85 to 89, I'm like this, okay?

And the ESPN was like this, more importantly.

So I'm a San Francisco Giant fan, as you know, above everything, even though I grew up Northeast.

Willie Mays, seven years old, in the World Series.

He's a giant.

I'm a little kid, Giants.

That's my team.

The owner of the Giants then, Bob Lurie,

great San Francisco.

Said, I got a call from his, I got to know them a little bit.

I'm going on here, but this is a story I rarely tell.

I get a call from his office.

I'm so-and-so.

I'm Mr.

Lurie's assistant.

When the Giants are playing the Mets late in May, he'd like to have lunch with you at the 21 Club.

No, I mean, first of all, the 21 Club, my club is McDonald's.

Okay, so

what can you get for 21 bucks in 1988 at McDonald's?

Hell, meals for a week.

So

we meet, and there's nothing, you know, oh my God, I'm a young guy, take the train in

a couple hours.

We meet, and he goes, Well, up till now, most teams, um, the announcers are hired by the station they work for.

But just about a year or two before that,

teams were hiring the man guy or woman, but let's just say guy at the time, was a team employee.

I don't know when that happened in Chicago with Harry or with Jack Buck.

I don't know, but it was starting, but only like one.

He goes, next year we're going to hire

that's going to be our hire.

We think you'd be a great San Francisco Giants play-by-play guy.

Oh, man.

Well, I've not done it other than Brown baseball, all right?

But

if you, it was one of my goals to do the Giants.

Right.

And

I told him,

I said, well,

we just got football and I'm kind of that guy.

We didn't have baseball yet again.

And I said, but this is, and it would have been a salary increase at that time.

Oh, God, yes.

Not times four, but times two, maybe.

Never discussed.

Move to the Bay Area, which I love from afar.

Young family, I'd be hired by them.

He goes, well, think about it.

Call me in a day or two, which I did.

And I said, Mr.

Lori, I can't believe I'm telling you this.

It's been my life dream, but I'm going to have to turn it down.

And here's what he said.

What a good guy he was, is.

After what you told me yesterday about ESPN, about the NFL, and you're the host, you're Brent Musberger, you made the right decision.

That's the guy who offered me the choice.

So that's 88 and 89.

Since then, I'm a Taurus.

I'm stubborn.

I ain't leaving.

But your agent loves to hear that.

That's crazy, though.

I mean, that's a, that must have been very difficult to turn down because calling baseball games your favorite team, that would be incredible.

Yes.

Yeah.

And Bay Area, not even, hey, I like the team, but do I know?

I San Francisco

to me,

I mean, I know they've had after COVID more trouble than many other cities, but that's not the discussion.

My favorite city.

Yeah.

Even though, and I grew up 2,500 miles away from it.

So,

but again,

i was smart then he said it

and

by not leaving the ass band look we're having this discussion today yeah and i probably would have been near neither place in 2025 that's for damn sure that's true yeah you built that place that place also shaped you so it's uh that's got to be tough to watch i think it's been a great fit i'm i'm very glad that you're sticking around it would be weird to see you if you just popped up on like fox sports one day uh doing like a nfl pregame show show.

It would look so weird.

It would look really, really strange.

I saw that the MLB All-Star game in 2029, they have not announced who's got the TV rights to it.

If that's ESPN, can we please get you doing the home run derby?

Well,

I guess we have one more year of it, but we're losing it.

I mean, yeah, okay.

I'm in.

If they'll have me.

Okay.

Yeah.

They'll sign.

I mean,

yeah, there you go.

We'll have our 50th party at the home run derby.

How about that?

That sounds perfect.

Yeah.

When I think back of all the years of you on ESPN, I also think of the Sports Center commercials.

This is Sports Center commercials.

Do you have a list of your favorite ones?

Well, you know, those ads were great.

I was never in them because by the time they were doing all those,

I was, well, still doing plenty of Sports Center.

Charlie Steiner,

what is it?

Welcome to Freedom or Send Me to Freedom with the Headband.

yeah the y2k one yep yep yeah that that that was a pretty good one there are a ton of them it's funny so i really was never if i was in one it was like one of the first ones when they weren't great yet the football ones to be honest

other than bristol university which was funny

i mean they were funny um

We, the ones I was in, weren't of the same caliber as the sports center.

I don't mind.

Again, I'm 70.

I can say whatever the hell I want.

Yeah.

Hell yeah, you can.

I'm not even sedile, and I could say.

Not yet.

I might be for our in five years, but

what were your favorites?

I mean, you remember probably more of them than I do.

I mean, that one was actually, I think, my favorite, the Y2K scare.

I like the don't walk, the PSA that you guys did for NBA players to stop traveling.

That was a great one.

The Crocodile Hunter, where he sees the Florida Gator and wrestles him to the ground.

And then my home arising, I like when Ovie, and I think it was Alexander Simmon lowered through the ceiling, like they were in Mission Impossible, like Russian spies.

I like it.

I like the LT one where he was wearing his visor trying to sort the mail.

Yeah.

I got to say,

they were sharp.

They were, and everyone related to it.

And the players and those in sports bought into it.

Yeah.

But the great ones, I wasn't in.

That's probably why they were great.

I wasn't in them.

So it is offseason right now.

How's the golf game?

Um,

in and out, you know, you

struggle with

okay, 65, you were still hitting the ball not far, let's not get carried away, but far enough,

you know, it's yeah, you really gotta move up to not the goals yet, but that you gotta you play in the hybrid, and now you're at the white because,

and so you end up hitting the ball off the tee, and you say to yourself, honestly, once you get over a macho thing,

ah, this is where I used to hit it.

It's okay.

I mean, I'm

played yesterday, it was pretty good.

Played the day before was pretty mediocre.

So I'm a usual 14 that

occasion you want,

and on other occasions, you wish you never knew me.

How about you guys?

You never get to play, right?

Yeah, we play on camera a lot.

We're bad.

Hank, our producer, plays all the time.

He plays every single day.

But he's also still bad, which is crazy.

Yeah, I mean, you have to get to a point where you play all the time if you want to be good at golf.

It's not something you can parachute in and out of.

Right.

But yeah, on a good day, I think we'll probably shoot in the 90s.

On Hank's good day, he'll shoot in the 80s.

What's your best round ever?

I don't think I ever broke 80, maybe 81.

That's a while ago.

Here's the thing:

I did look up the chart.

If you get to 70 in the United States, average life expectancy, male, 85, female, 87.

I have a shot to shoot my age.

Yes.

There you go.

Yes.

I will tell you this, though.

I played in the pro-am at New Orleans.

You remember I did once upon a time with

your guy down there.

So I had never met Andrew Novak and Ben Griffin.

We played with them day one.

Media Day the next week, Travelers, which I've done forever, right?

Interviewed

Scotty Sheffler.

Byron Nelson that week.

We just saw the PGA.

It ain't my game, but how's my game influencing others?

Yeah.

Not bad, right?

Yeah.

Do you think we threw this out there on today's show, but do you think there's a chance Scotty

could creep up into that?

Hey, we're talking about him versus Tiger at some point because it does feel,

we're joking, he feels like he's 40 years old because he just has the look of not in a bad way, but he just looks like he's always looked a lot more put together than everyone else.

He's 28, and he's won his third in 22 starts in the majors.

It feels like he's going to be, you know, in the next five years, what do you like, call it, you know, he wins, you know, five more in the next five years.

He's now at eight.

And it's like, oh, now we're starting to talk about this.

Well,

let's see how many tour wins.

Again, he's only, he's done them all really the last few years, right?

He had not, I think, seven on tour, but nine.

Oh, by the way, the gold medal.

And now here's two more.

I mean, here's of the of the current day or the last 20 years.

It's really, does he approach Phil?

Yeah.

Where do we put Rory, Rory, who's not a generation?

Tiger's not a generation ago, but Rory was a little, you know, was after Tiger in 2010 and all that.

So by the way, what a perfect.

We have Rory.

Hey, he's back.

He wins the players.

He wins the Masters.

He's playing the Open, the British Open at Port Rush home game.

Oakmont is the hardest course I've ever seen.

So you better be really good if you plan to win there, by the way.

I don't know if you guys have ever been, but of all the media day courses, by about the eighth hole, you can't wait to get back to your immunity.

Okay.

So,

so

what an interesting setup.

Here's one thing about Scott.

So

you don't want to go to Tiger yet?

Because, geez, do we talk about Tiger to Jack?

This was a little early, even in Tiger's run, to go Jack, but where are you going?

Is he

Arnie?

Right.

So

he's still underappreciated.

I know he's after the PGA, okay?

But

here's an observation that I thought of knowing I was going to talk to you guys today, and the PGA would come up.

He won the Travelers last year, one of his seven.

Like I said, I think he won nine worldwide in the President's Cup and gold, etc.

For the Travelers, you might remember, you know, signature event.

We had the little thing on 18, but that's not the point.

and he got in a playoff with tom kim friend and

uh but was also in the last threesome was in it but by then not really but close

and i'm looking at these three guys because travelers here in in in hartford um

uh i i do the trophy honors afterwards so i'm i'm dialed in there and here's scotty at six foot three Now we have a playoff with the two of them with Kim and Scotty.

Here's Scotty at six foot three.

Here's Kim short, which by the way, golfers come in all shapes and sizes.

Look at the three of us.

It's proof.

And

Batia, the next stiff wind is going to blow him into the sand.

And I'm not knocking him.

I mean, my God, I'd like to be that skinny, right?

Yeah.

But

by the way, you could really have fun with, but Batia, Patia, that's all, folks, but never mind.

It's actually debut right here.

That's a good one.

That's a great one.

Never mind.

Or Bug's buddy.

Can't believe I said that.

At any rate, then Kim goes in the bunker.

So Scotty has

a two-putt to win with no sweat, just trundle it down, kind of like his bogey up by five.

Oh, he won by four, but who cares, right?

And I'm thinking, this is like the old movies where there was a pie fight or let alone a gun duel.

And the knight in white armor is standing unscathed and everyone else goes down one by one.

And as I'm watching yesterday, or at this time when we're taping it,

oh, is Lee's tied

with Rahm or, you know, here Bryson, and here's maybe one of the other two.

Then all of a sudden he wins by four anyway.

It's like he's, this stuff's flying around and he's there like, no, bullet ain't going to hit me.

No pie is going to dirty this nice white suit.

And I know that seems crazy, but being at the event unlike yesterday when i watched like you tv

i was like this guy

wow it's just something about his demeanor he's not i mean tiger was tiger i mean we don't have to go to jack and arnie we know what they were

phil flamboyant with the way he played the shots he invented etc scotty

rory bombs it

does scotty hit it just about as long probably now i don't know that but maybe not quite as rory's is unbelievable, right?

But so Scotty

name

what he does

unbelievably better than anyone else, except everything.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

He's not, this is him.

Here's swashbuckling.

Here's,

he's so impervious to, oh my God, he's going to lose this.

No, he's not.

It's unbelievable how he does it, isn't it?

Yeah, it is.

It really is.

He makes it look easy.

One of the craziest stats that I saw this week was that Scotty Scheffler, he's right now, I think, how long is this that he's been ranked number one?

82nd consecutive week being ranked number one in the world to bring it up to a total of 116 weeks.

116 weeks is what Scotty Scheffler has been ranked number one at.

Tiger Woods has 683 weeks.

So he would need to be ranked number one in the world every week for the next what 10 plus years yeah to catch what tiger did right which is unbelievable it's crazy but

commercially how many are in the hundreds admittedly they didn't have you know when when

even nicholas and palmer i mean i don't know that they had that then they certainly didn't when

Byron Nelson, just to pick up a name, or Sam Steed, who won more than anybody else played.

But how many are in the hundreds?

Not many.

Yeah.

yeah i think tigers got the number one and number two

all-time rankings for the longest streaks being ranked number one it's crazy absolutely insane to think about yeah yeah greg norman might be a name that i don't know about a hundred i we'd have to look it up interesting yeah norman got up to 96 weeks okay i believe yeah so yeah pretty close and swan one thing we love about you is you're you're such a football fan even though it's the offseason i know that you've been thinking about football through the draft through free agency, through the schedules coming out for next season.

What are you thinking about the most?

What are you looking forward to the most in the 2025 football season?

That's a good thing.

You know, here we are.

It's not a any of the,

you know, last year we had all the quarterbacks picked at the top, and you're wearing a Doug Williams shirt.

So obviously, your quarterback.

Now Washington is on 8 million times in primetime, whereas the year before,

why are they on, right?

what am I looking forward to the most?

I mean, what Philly did was pretty darn strong.

I mean, that was, I mean, we don't even need to rehash it.

That was from the beginning, it was whoa,

okay, this is going to be trouble for the Chiefs.

However,

all right, you know what?

I'll give you one.

It's kind of obvious, but is this the year Buffalo somehow avoids Kansas City

in the playoffs?

I don't know what that means.

It means someone would have to lose or somebody, I don't hope nobody gets hurt, i.e.

Josh,

i.e.

Patrick, etc.

But somehow they don't meet.

And then how does that flush out?

By the way, I only thought of it today.

Even though the Eagles are the champs.

God, they play week two, right, at Kansas City, right out of the gates.

Yep.

Which I don't know what that'll decide, not a lot.

The cheat, you know, the Bills are the only team.

Again, it sounds like, oh, I'm more than about Buffalo.

I'm not.

The Bills are the only team to make, you know, to get to four in a row.

Admittedly, they didn't win any of them.

The Chiefs could get to four in a row, even though they didn't win last year, and they were trying to win three in a row.

Now,

Philly could get to three out of four.

Yeah.

As we discussed last year, that's a short list

getting to three out of four.

So,

but then who are the Washingtons this year?

I don't know.

What do you guys think?

Who are, I mean, it's hard in May to say, well, I'm just telling you, Atlanta with Pennix, for example, I'm not saying that's a team.

Like,

what are the teams that are

the Rams much better?

I mean, they gave every time in the playoffs, they're a tough out.

Are they better?

I'm talking about a team, of course, Washington was not on the playoff radar.

What's that team?

Because we know like five or six of them don't go back to the playoffs.

So

I've got an answer.

It's kind of a cheap answer, but the 49ers,

they might get healthy.

If they stay healthy this year, I wouldn't bet against them making the playoffs.

Yeah.

I got an answer that's a little, I'm still working on it.

I think the Giants are going to be better than people think.

And I don't know what's going to happen with Jackson Dart, but like Brian Dable,

good quarterback coach.

If you can get just enough, I think that defense is going to be elite.

Their defensive line has just monsters on it.

So I think they might be one of those teams where, you know, maybe they're not playoffs, but they're, you know, go jump up to seven, eight, nine wins.

And it's like, ooh, look, they're, they're not.

You look at the schedule this time of year and you're like, all right, that's a win, that's a win.

I don't think the Giants are going to be a that's a win team.

Well, I think you're right.

Um, of course, now we think

Dallas, healthy quarterback along with Philly and Washington.

Like, that's a tough climb with those six games.

Absolutely.

And they go two and four.

That would be a win for what you just said.

Who else?

You know, is there room to move?

Well, we know the NFC is tougher

and overall, right?

Because obviously the Central, I still call it the Norris division.

But the Bears lost a lot of games, but they're going to be better, but the other three teams are all going to be good.

Minnesota.

Detroit's going to be them.

Green Bay is going to be good.

Very good again.

So hard to move.

So the Bears have a much better record.

Again, they got to play those teams.

The West is, I agree with San Francisco.

They either miss the playoffs or they get to at least the championship game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're going to be good.

The Rams are going to be good.

Don't overlook Seattle.

Arizona, I don't know, but let's just say two and a half teams in that division.

South.

Well, that's the opening, right?

Like, could, but it won't be, it's a little early for the Panther.

You know what I'm saying.

So,

so, so, in the AFC,

where Miami fell and the Jets fell,

and will they be back or back, the Jets?

Will Miami be

or

could the Patriots move like the Giants to your point?

Seven and ten, eight, nine.

We still don't know who Pittsburgh's quarterback is in that division.

We think the Bengals

won't start out one and four or whatever the hell they always do.

The Browns, I mean, I.

Sad.

Good luck.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's a good coach.

He got a coach with one hand tied behind his back, Kevin.

Very good coach.

Yeah.

You know, we know Baltimore.

Yeah, we haven't brought them up as usual, right?

I actually looked at knowing I was doing this show and again, analyze the schedules.

I kind of just looked at the upper echelon off of last year.

I looked at Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore, just real quick, like a half hour ago.

Just it seems like

Baltimore's schedule is they play the good teams on the road.

And the others have more of the good teams at home.

Again, that doesn't ensure anything.

But they're going to be formidable.

At what point does

is this a year for Lamar?

But again, it all depends on the Chiefs.

But somehow the Chiefs and the Bills will miss each other in the playoffs.

What does that mean?

I like that.

I like that as a Bills fan, you're thinking, okay, well, we've tried to take the bad man out.

It hasn't worked for us.

Maybe somebody else just does it for us.

Maybe Lamar gets maybe Lamar elevates his game, becomes a playoff quarterback, and then we don't have to worry about Patrick Mahomes.

That would be a better formula.

Could be.

Or something else, or the Bengals just beat the Chiefs, which they have, right?

So

I

betting against the Chiefs would be foolish, too.

I'm not claiming the Bills will get there because they won't play the Chiefs.

That's why we talk about it in May.

Yeah, even talking about it,

even talking about it has me juiced up.

Just football in May.

All right.

Schwab, I got one last question for you.

And again, congratulations.

We love you, and it's awesome.

And we're so pumped for you to be able to still get to watch you for

another five years here.

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My last question is this.

In the offseason, do you ever catch yourself, maybe it's in the shower, maybe it's in the car, just throwing a quick whoop just to make sure you still got it?

Because you're like, I don't know.

I haven't done it in a few months.

Do I still have it?

Do you just test to make sure that it's still there

that's a better question than you think

um and i'll tell you why because i do go to hawaii after the super bowl i live there part-time i mean you know i get go get my eight week whatever and i don't do the draft the first time i even put a tie on after i from the super bowls how do you tie this so um week one now i do the Hall of Fame at Canton.

So that's a different deal.

But other than showing up at the Espys, I kind of started Canton the way it is now, and the way it's been the last eight, nine years, primarily.

I mean, the SPN needs me for something.

I'm here,

some big football matter.

Can you come in in two hours?

Yes, I'll be in, you know.

But week one is why it's this really intelligent question.

Intelligent question.

Yeah.

Well, I'll have it.

I know I'm really stepping out now, right?

But week one,

that's when

I know how to do it.

We know how to drive a car.

You know, it's not all of a sudden a stick ship that you rented in Europe and it's like find them, grind them.

Week one, you go in, it's like, do I

bring my little earpiece?

Did I remember to bring my three or four tikes?

Because I always have a game time decision, by the way.

I always bring three or four and decide about 20 minutes before we go on.

Okay, that's the one tonight.

You got to have a game time decision.

Yeah.

I have little butterflies, not nervous,

but it's not so much texting the whoop.

Although I might drink grapefruit juice week one, but better for the throat than orange juice in the morning, okay?

And a little

better.

A little citric acid action.

So I don't practice the whoop in the shower in the car.

I blast music.

To quote, I remember remember Joe Torrey telling me this, and it's kind of the answer.

And at that point, when he was managing, but he told me how many opening days it was.

I had them opening day a few times, you know.

And I went, Joe, it's opening, you know, opening day, you've been as a player and as a manager, whatever the number was, 35, I mean, whatever it was.

It was boomer.

I don't care who you are.

If you don't have a couple of butterflies in your stomach on opening day, there's something wrong with you.

And I never forgot that.

It's not, can I speak?

It's not,

can I tie a tie?

It's not, he could go all the way.

I'll probably come up with it, but it's week one.

You ain't as good as you thought you were because you haven't been doing it lately.

You got to do this every day or two.

I used to be on the air every day.

Didn't make me good.

But it made me, I just did this yesterday.

I mean, what's the problem?

Right.

Well, the problem problem is you haven't done it for six months.

So

there are some days

that, okay, week one, let's give them everything we got in the garage.

Maybe not.

Maybe not.

Maybe you haven't checked some of the toys out lately,

right?

Yeah.

Probably not.

We might give you a patiea, but that's all, folks, but we might not give you.

12 of them.

Right.

But I, you know, and you'll see when, if and when you ever get to the point where you're still a regular, but for whatever reason, I know you can't imagine not doing this every day, and neither can your fans, but

butterflies, opening day, Joe Torrey, who would know better than him?

Right.

It's a privilege.

It's a privilege to feel those butterflies.

I got one last one for you, Boom, because every year we have, you know, when we do our recaps of the games as a tribute to you, we talk about Jameis Winston, and when we bring up Jameis Winston's name, we put him in the Eagles song.

We put him in Take It Easy, Standing on the Corner, Jameis Winston, Cuyahoga is what it was last year on the Browns.

Now he's on the Giants.

So we had a couple ideas.

We want to get your feedback, or maybe you've got something else.

We were thinking, standing on the corner, Jameis Winston down in Soho,

or standing on the corner, Jameis Winston and Hoboken.

Hoboken.

Well, there's a there's a

there's a thought.

Uh

Hoboken,

Soho, I go to Warren Zivon, which before your time really

is werewolves of London.

So that it's a different Soho.

It's a London Soho.

So that put me off the track for a minute.

Well, either works because you want him to represent New York.

And it's funny.

Jameis, I know

you love him on your show.

I ran into him in New Orleans in dinner and eating the next table.

And we had a couple of chuckles.

And I've told you, we love him.

And I know you got to know him.

He's so enjoyable, but

not a butt.

He's one of the most exciting players in the league.

And here's why.

I think we've talked about it maybe off the year.

Bill Walsh once described Steve DeBerg, not a bad quarterback, as, and I, and I taken this to Jameis,

giving Bill Walsh credit.

He keeps both teams in the game.

Yeah.

I mean, that's as a, he's must see.

I mean, I don't know.

The Giants, I don't know what they're, I mean, the rookie and two vets, vets.

Like, who knows how that plays out, right?

Is that a trade?

I don't know.

Yeah, it might be.

Nobody gets hurt August 10th.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, I think he would probably be one of the first calls if you have a starter that goes down.

At least I hope he would.

Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't you think they

got to go Russell?

I mean, what?

I mean, how do we think the Giants start the year at quarterback, not the rookie yet?

I think he's probably going to go Russell Wilson.

I would think so.

But if it's a truly open competition,

it it could be Jameis.

Yeah.

Should be Jameis.

Well,

unless Sierra thinks an actual anthem.

That's true.

That's true.

That's true.

So, what I'm hearing from you is:

Standing on the Corner of Jameis Winston and Hoboken, such a fine sight to see.

I like that.

You like that?

Yeah.

Hoboken, you're going?

I think so.

Unless you, you know what?

If you think of one, you text us.

Standing on the corner.

Hoboken making an Eagle song is a pretty good left-hand turn.

A blackbed forward that has a flat.

Which reminds me of,

again,

the poor, the fumble by Joe Pesarchik, Herm Edwards, you know, The Miracle in the Meadowlands,

not far from Hoboken.

Instead of Broadway Joe, poor Joe Pesarchik, they called him Patterson Plank Joe, you know, like, yeah.

Yeah.

But Hoboken, there's a ring to it.

Yeah.

It'd be the only one including that in a song.

Okay.

I like it.

All right.

We'll continue to consider it.

That's something to be considered.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We'll continue to consider.

Yeah, we'll throw any other ideas we have off you.

Sean, you're the best, though.

We love you.

And thank you for coming on.

And congrats again.

Very well deserved.

And we can't wait for the 50th party.

We're going to be there no matter what.

Well, and maybe we'll join in the middle of the year or something.

We know we got the end of the year, whatever you want.

I can't wait to hear what you come up with in your Monday morning.

I tell you,

if it's great, it's on TV and I give full credit.

All right.

Well, thanks so much, Swan.

We'll talk to you later.

All right, guys.

Have a great spring and summer.

Work on the golf when you can sneak it in.

Yes.

All right.

Sounds good.

Thanks, Boom.

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Hank, Dan.

What's up?

Those shoes look small.

Small?

Yeah, black shoes always look look small.

Slimming.

Your shoes look small.

10 and a half.

Yeah.

Not the biggest, not the smallest.

Same.

When I was younger, my brother's a size 12, and I tried to convince myself for like a couple years.

You white socks steve it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

FAQs.

Hey there, men and loser Henry.

Oh, no.

That's mean.

That's mean.

Bad start.

Hank, how are you doing now that we're a few days removed?

I'm fine.

You know, it gets easier as time passes, but

once the finals, like the conference finals, start, it'll probably be sad watching the games.

You don't sound fine.

No, I'm fine.

You're on to golf.

You're on to golf.

We talk, I'm always, like, I've never been off of golf.

Right.

But you're on to golf.

But you're on to golf.

Less distractions, sure.

But

I will be watching the same amount of ball and playing the same amount of golf.

Would you say that there's less distractions from your distraction?

So you can focus on your distractions.

Well, that's the thing.

As I said, I realized it's really not true.

Like,

I will watch every game and I will play the same amount of golf.

So in that sense.

But

maybe there's a, maybe there's a Easter Conference final game that starts at 7 p.m.

and you're like, man, I'm having the round of my life.

Now you don't have to go home and be home at 7 p.m.

Yeah, to watch the first half from the clubhouse.

Yeah.

I love that for you.

Whatever.

No, you don't.

I do love that you get love to golf.

Thank you.

I love you for loving that I love to golf.

Wow.

Love fest.

I've love, love.

We talked about that.

What is your, I've reached a summit moment in your life.

Something you are hoping to achieve or have already achieved.

Love you all and thank you.

Ooh.

I mean, I don't want to say something that I've already done because that implies that it's all downhill from here.

It's peaked, but it probably is.

Like, I'm 40.

I'm a man.

Yeah, I mean, I had no right being on the duckboat.

I didn't deserve it.

I didn't like, it wasn't like an achievement that I worked hard and reached that goal, but it was that was it.

Don't tell yourself.

It will be all downhill from there, and that's all right.

I think Barcelona purchased was definitely there.

Buying a house, I was late to buying a house, but bought a house.

Getting a house is cool.

That was very cool.

Playing Freebird, playing the Freebird solo.

That's very

something that I've worked for.

I mean, on stage with my brother, it was a pretty cool moment.

Yeah.

Going to the sphere,

kind of reached that summit big time.

Stanley Cup winning night in Vegas with the Cup.

That's a tough one to beat.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Being anywhere near the Stanley Cup is pretty fucking sweet.

Yeah.

Do you think anyone's ever fucked the Cup?

The Cup has watched someone fuck

anyone's fucked up.

I'd say like hundreds of people.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Max, what's your summit?

Max turning 30 this weekend?

Yep.

So huge.

Partying with the Eagles after the Super Bowl.

Yeah.

The Mount Joy concert was.

was a big, like, what am I doing here?

That was pretty fun.

Yeah.

They have a new album coming out this weekend good play out max no free ads my summit was john summit when he was on part of my team

i guess i'm just a bigger john summit fan than you max

big catlib williams fan pf caps shank

if we see an awl in the wild what's our calling card what do we say to acknowledge that we don't say that anymore we don't say it anymore Just a what's up?

Also, I want to compliment the AWLs out there because there were a lot of them at the Caps game, all very well-behaved.

I was around my mom.

Not one person said the thing that we don't say anymore.

And I appreciate that.

Yeah, they've done a really good job of like

whether it be

a long time ago, but like the Max Homa pervert stuff, we were able to stop that.

Like, good job.

You know what?

You could say, do you think memes will ever get it?

That's a good one.

And then the other guy says, no.

No chance.

No way will he ever get it.

That's a good one.

Yeah.

That's the inside, you know, baseball.

Like, oh, memes won't get it.

Or just say, hey, what's up?

Pug.

Yeah.

A bunch of my friends are starting to listen and to really enjoy PMT.

But they can't understand the booth.

And we, my AWL friends, try to explain to them that it used to just be Hank.

But then they ask what Hank does other than golf, which is funny to try and explain.

They get Max and memes, but they don't understand Shane slash Pug.

They think they are the same person.

Very different people.

Pug does the YouTube edits.

Shane creates incredible A's in the graphic department.

No, Shane does our graphics.

Pug does our YouTube.

Memes and Max obviously are in here while we're recording.

Jack Wiper is our new guy.

He harasses us for ads.

And Hank does a lot.

I don't want people to be sullying Hank here.

I don't know where they get the idea that all Hank does is all from.

I really don't.

I know.

It's crazy.

It's like a narrative that's run away.

It's crazy.

Yeah.

Hank is we're playing Friday, right?

Hank's my most trusted guy.

He's 10-10.

11-10.

He's got Hank's an ideas guy.

He's got the pulse of the nation.

Just working behind the scenes.

It's one of those things you don't want to have it defined because then.

Right, because then someone might be like, hey, you're not doing much.

You've been silent.

Listen, I take care of business.

But yes, there was a long time where Hank was

the sole proprietor of the booth.

He was doing it all.

I miss it sometimes.

No, you don't.

So then go Do it.

Do it for Max and Memes.

I did.

I added the Super Bowl a couple years ago.

Our sound guy, fuck me.

That's true.

A couple years ago.

I would.

The first time the Eagles were

well, not the first time, but Chiefs, the first Chiefs, Eagles Super Bowl.

Why don't you do it?

Yeah,

why don't you do it?

Just one random time.

Just be like, hey, you know what?

I got it tonight, boys.

Let's get out of here.

I would actually like to.

Because I don't ask him.

I have to ask a million questions.

You've learned the ability to do it?

Or you've lost the ability to do it?

No, but there's just more at back end and, and

I don't know.

I got people.

You can figure it out.

Yeah, if I had to, if the booth disappeared, I could make it work.

But yeah, I'd like to give you the keys to the socials for like three days.

Hank weekend.

Hank early week.

Hank Monday?

No, but it is crazy because like just the Twitter.

At the beginning of the podcast, we didn't have YouTube.

We didn't have a video for a lot of our interviews.

Now we've gotten a full team, and the guys are awesome.

They like keep it running.

Like when we leave on a Sunday night after a football Sunday, we leave at like midnight or one o'clock.

They're here till five in the morning.

So shout out those guys.

Hey, guys, was wondering, since you are the number one sports podcast and have so many people listening, do you ever think about the amount of famous people slash athletes that listen to the show and their reactions to the things you say?

I feel like the idea of a pro athlete laughing along while listening to you guys troll each other or hear you guys talk shit about one of their teammates has got to be pretty surreal.

Yes.

The teammate part I sometimes think about, like when we're really, when we're getting deep into it and we're laying into somebody and they're like laughing at it and they have to stop themselves because they're like, oh shit, that's actually my good friend and teammate they're making fun of.

Yeah.

I just have more of like when someone says they listen, like when we had Pablo Torrey on and he's like, smiley.

Smiley, yeah.

I'm just like, why?

Like, what?

What are you doing?

I think with Pablo, it's important to hear how bad podcast can be so he knows what to avoid.

But I still get a little, like,

it still gets me a little excited.

Even retired guys.

Even when, like, our, our guy Jans will text me being like, oh, that was amazing.

I'm like, oh, fuck yes.

I made Jens laugh.

That's cool.

That's fucking awesome.

And I definitely think there's a phenomenon, not phenomenon, but just like there's a lot of guys that are now professional athletes that.

you know, when they're just high school or college, like grinding, it's not weird for them to listen to podcasts.

It's just weird that now they're as famous as they are.

But it is awesome.

Like it never loses, it never loses the awesomeness factor where if someone says they listen i'm just like that's fucking awesome but also why

you got to have better things to do yeah no i mean i i

have always been in i think it works about denial about the listeners yeah you can't think about it you can't think about the amount of people listen because it will fuck you up bad yeah as far as i'm concerned it's just us yeah and then somehow everybody else finds out yeah it it definitely will mess with your head because it's like i don't think it would mess with my head head if we were, if I were smarter,

but it messes my head because like, oh, this many people heard me say something really stupid.

Ah, that sucks.

That's the part.

I think it would always mess with your head, though.

No, even if you're like, if you think about, if you're smart.

And the amount of, I get worried with, I was sarcastic, like the amount of sarcasm and just like laying it on thick where people are like, they might, a lot of, and I know a lot of fans, like, they'll, get seriously upset about it.

I'm like, is there like an athlete that's like, yeah, yeah.

What a fucking idiot.

No, I mean everyone thinks we're idiots, but that's the beauty of it because we are.

We don't run from it.

No.

We run into it.

We run into it.

We're the Marines of idiots.

We're the first responders of idiots.

If there's a problem, we'll be there saying dumb shit.

Do you guys ever get FOMO when you don't immediately record?

Max talked about it a little bit with Hanky self-appoosing bing bong and not recording after any games, but other stuff like LeBron, Stephen A or big trade news, is there anything you you really wish you recorded right after?

Yes.

Yeah, I mean, we changed up how we do Fourth of July week because of the NBA trade deadline.

Yeah.

But there's definitely one agency, not Jeffrey.

When something big happens on like a Monday afternoon, I'm like, shit, we got to wait, you know, or something happens on like a Friday night.

That does always give me a little FOMO that we're not recording right then.

Well, it's also because stuff is going to happen over the weekend.

So by the time Monday morning comes around, we can't react to the same news on Friday like we would if it had just broken.

Yeah, big time.

That's it.

Oh, great job, Hank.

Thanks.

We love love.

We love each other.

Yeah.

Love being around each other

so much.

Who would be your plus one to Belichick's wedding?

If you can only choose one,

I don't know.

I'd have to go back.

Tiff.

Oh,

Tiff.

What a power cup.

Show the Tootsies.

Show the Tootsies, Tiff.

Should we.

Jerry's here.

No.

Jerry bing-bonging Hank.

Randomly.

Just the bing-bong button.

Okay, good show, boys.

Great show.

Big guests on Friday.

Get excited

before the long weekend.

Let's do number two.

That was like a three-way tie.

Oh, man.

I think you guys have to do odds or evens for this.

Just say it again.

No, no, no.

No.

Memes, Max, and Hank.

All you guys, one, two, three, shoot.

Throw out a one or a two.

Throw it high.

I'll take odds.

Three.

No, no, no.

What?

No.

Throw out a one or a two over your head.

All right.

Max, pick one or two.

No, shut up, memes.

Hank, you know what I'm saying?

Why should not pick three?

No,

you throw out a one or a two.

Yeah, so one of them is going to pick one, one of them is going to pick two.

All right, that breaks his odds.

Three, two, one, shoot.

Three, three, one.

All right, so Max gets three.

All right, so memes got you.

Oh, memes.

You got got by Hank.

So I got to get it back.

Okay, I'll take what was your second number you would pick?

I don't know.

I'm going to punch his computer if it's three.

Okay.

Dude, things are good right now.

I'm going to go 95.

I'm going to go

57.

Six

999 44

55

21

I'll fucking cut back the

back of the hole

Come on three come on

53 oh

damn

What was yours wiper?

55

55

He's the next person that needs to get it Yeah

he's gonna to get it before memes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

For sure.

Yeah.

Memes is just sad.

It's just sad at this point.

I guessed it for you.

Then I got it again on my own.

It's true.

Right in your face.

Fixing six.

Love it, guys.