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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have a two for the people. We have Michigan Wolverines head coach Dusty May, recurring guest.

Speaker 1 Last time we talked to him, he was at FAU, but we had a great conversation with him. March is on its way.
We're here. It's one of the best two weeks of the year.

Speaker 1 We also have our good friend Pete Prisco on the show to break down NFL Free Agency. Also, get into an Italian versus Italian fight about Jalen Hurts with Max, which was great.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk NFL Free Agency. We've got Hot Seat, Cool Throne.
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Speaker 1 The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, March 12th,

Speaker 1 and NFL Free Agency is all the way going, boys. We've got a lot of

Speaker 1 new faces and new places, including Sam Darnold to the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 7 Sam Darnold to the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 Good for Sam, by the way.

Speaker 1 Just as a, like, whether you think Sam's going to be good going forward,

Speaker 1 pretty awesome that his career seemed like it was over, and he just signed a $100 million contract to go to Seattle.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think he played it right. Like he played very well last year with the exception of the last, what, three games of the season? Yeah.
So he had a great year here in this contract.

Speaker 7 Congrats to him.

Speaker 7 I don't know that I would love the situation in Seattle right now because they have gotten rid of a lot of guys. You're not going to have the same weapons in Jefferson and Addison and Hawkinson.
Yep.

Speaker 7 That's not going to exist out there. You're not going to have KOC.
Yep. It's going to be different, but I am very happy for him.

Speaker 7 It's interesting when you look around the league, you've got Sam Darnold signing a contract, Geno Smith on the move,

Speaker 7 Aaron Rodgers is going to get another job. Yep.

Speaker 7 And Zach Wilson to the Dolphins. Every former Jets quarterback

Speaker 7 did something big this free agency.

Speaker 1 He's getting something big.

Speaker 7 And the Jets got the memes, you got your guy.

Speaker 1 You got your guy, memes.

Speaker 7 Justin Fields is a New York Jet, just like you wanted.

Speaker 1 Congrats. We got our guy.

Speaker 8 Happy for Justin.

Speaker 8 Happy for Justin. I'm excited.
A lot of Bears fans have been DMing me, saying he's a lot of fun. Big ads told me he's a lot of fun.
He is.

Speaker 1 He doesn't. There's also a downside.

Speaker 8 But he's never had a good offensive line.

Speaker 7 We do have a good offensive line.

Speaker 8 We have good running backs. We're going to establish a run.
We're going to be a run-first team.

Speaker 1 And that's what's important here. I checked in with memes yesterday after it happened, and I had an honest conversation with him because I told him, I was like, he makes Sundays fun.

Speaker 1 Long term, I don't know if he's going to be your answer. And I said, if your expectations are not wildly out of control, it could be a fun time.
And I asked him,

Speaker 1 what's the ceiling of the Jets with Justin Fields next year? He said 9-8. And I said,

Speaker 1 that's a fine way to approach it. Yeah.

Speaker 7 You might be surprised.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the ceiling.

Speaker 9 Well, he's betting on himself, so you just got to hope he just pops off.

Speaker 7 You just got to back him up. Yeah.
And be like, if you're betting on yourself, I'm betting on you.

Speaker 1 Well, he's not totally betting on himself.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's a two-year deal.

Speaker 1 It's a two-year deal, so he's actually not betting on himself.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but if he pops off this year, he's already

Speaker 1 massive contract. Well, he's under contract for the second year.
The Jets are basically avoiding the Sam Darnold situation where they don't want him to, if he pops off,

Speaker 7 let me cook here. Like, you're always betting on yourself.
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 if he has a great year this year and then next year he's bad.

Speaker 7 I think if he has a great year this year, then he won't. They won't play the second year under that contract.
Maybe give him an extension after one year.

Speaker 1 Or they could be like, maybe

Speaker 1 we got to see another year and not make a mistake of Daniel Jones or say, who, Daniel Jones, by the way, incredible job of getting $14 million. I know it's probably not all guaranteed, but still.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Colts quarterback. You know how memes says if you don't like the Justin Fields trade, then you're racist.
Yeah. That's how I feel about Daniel Jones.
I'd agree.

Speaker 7 If you don't like Daniel Jones on the Colts, you have a problem with white people. Yeah, you do.

Speaker 1 You do. You do.
You absolutely do.

Speaker 7 He's doing the Manning Brothers career arc. Yeah.
Is what he's going to do. I think it's interesting having him, Anthony Richardson,

Speaker 7 and then you've got, obviously, Jonathan Taylor at running back. Why not just run the wishbone?

Speaker 1 I don't hate it.

Speaker 7 I don't hate it. That's what the Colts should do.
Just run the fucking football.

Speaker 1 Daniel Jones might be QB1 by

Speaker 1 mid-September.

Speaker 7 It also, there was an immediate Chris Berman that came to my brain when I saw this. He's just Indiana Jones.
There it is. And he kind of looks like it's perfect.

Speaker 1 He should start wearing the hat. Wear the hat, Daniel.

Speaker 7 That would be sick.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 the QB, I feel like Meme's in a good spot. The Giants have no quarterback.
The Steelers have no quarterback as of right now. We're taping this in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 It feels like Aaron Rodgers is going to be a Steeler, and then I don't know what the Giants are going to do.

Speaker 7 I feel like it might be just a game of musical chairs, but it's Aaron, whichever team Aaron Rodgers doesn't pick, then Russell Wilson might just be the quarterback of the other.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that does feel like it's going to be like, oh, Aaron Rodgers is a Steeler. Okay, I guess Russ is going to be a Giant.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we got Aaron Rodgers at home, and it's Russell Wilson. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So

Speaker 1 what other big I mean, the Bears had a nice day. I'm

Speaker 1 my take on free agency is if you have to, because everyone's like, oh, they're offseason champs again, the Bears haven't won anything with these guys.

Speaker 1 If you have to fix all the holes, that means you're a bad team.

Speaker 1 If you have to go into free agency, but with that said, I'm very happy that Ryan Poles did a good job of just beefing up the trenches on the offensive and defensive line.

Speaker 1 And it feels like what was a massive weakness is, I'm not going to go as far as say strength, but it's looking a lot better than it was a week and a half ago.

Speaker 7 I think you can say that he signed signed a lot of players that were not on the Bears last year,

Speaker 7 which would be a good thing. Correct.
And the guys that he did sign are, for the most part, big, strong, athletic guys that should be upgrades. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And you invested in some skill positions last year, some of which panned out, some didn't. But you kind of looked at that last year.
Now you're beefing up the trenches. I think it's a good idea.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like what the Bears are. The middle of the offensive line is a lot better.
The defensive line has some depth. Were there times yesterday in my inner monologue that I said to myself, Bears are back?

Speaker 1 Maybe, but that can't be confirmed.

Speaker 1 Six out of ten. It was in my brain, so I never said it, so it doesn't count.
But maybe,

Speaker 1 maybe.

Speaker 3 If there was a bracket for who had the best offseason, do you think the Bears would win?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 7 I think they might be in the championship game.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 10 I think we're looking at the two of them right here.

Speaker 7 I think so, too. I think it's the Bears and the Patriots.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Bears did okay.

Speaker 1 Commanders. Commanders did really well, too.
Yeah, they got Laramie Tunsel and Debo. Yeah, he was talking about us.

Speaker 7 Okay, I know, but I'm talking about the, I think the Patriots did a good job.

Speaker 7 Max came up to me yesterday, and he was just like, oh, this, you're what you're doing kind of reminds me of the dream team. You think you're putting together the dream team?

Speaker 7 We made a couple nice moves. This is not a dream team stat.
We're not like putting together a super team. We got Debo, who was fat last year, who I think will still be good.

Speaker 7 It's not like he's at the peak of his powers right now. He was a fifth-round pick.
That's what we traded for him.

Speaker 7 Then we swapped a third and a fourth round and then gave up a second rounder for Tunsil.

Speaker 7 So it's not like we're getting like all-stars that I mean, Larry Tunsil is very good.

Speaker 1 He's a Pro Bowler. He's Pro Bowler.
And you got Kin Law.

Speaker 7 I'm just pumped about Tunsil because now I have to do a gas mask bong. You do.
Welcome into town, yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, I don't understand the Texans strategy being like, we had a bad offensive line. Let's trade our best offensive lineman.

Speaker 7 Yeah, they got rid of two of them. Tunsall, I think, was the best.

Speaker 1 He had a lot of false start calls and whatever, but I still think he's, I mean, it's really hard to play that position. And you can see the price for left tackles.

Speaker 7 yeah so i i love laramie tunsell because then we can move our the guy that played left tackle for us last year he was a rookie not necessarily left tackle by trade we're going to move him around for sam cosme then maybe move him around again once sam gets back so i i like the moves that we made i'm pretty pumped about it um one thing that i was thinking about the other day because we were talking about joe milton bazooka joe and with the patriots signing the pastronaut josh dobbs to be your backup quarterback feels like the patriots are just burying Joe Milton.

Speaker 1 They're actively trying to trade him.

Speaker 7 We're never going to get to see Joe Milton.

Speaker 7 He'd be great on the Steelers.

Speaker 1 Hank, are you excited about the Patriots moves? How many of the players were you

Speaker 1 breaking down tape?

Speaker 3 Milton Wolves, I mean, Mac Collins I've known for 10 years.

Speaker 3 That was a cool full-circle moment. I met Mac when he was, I think, going into his junior year of college at UNC.

Speaker 3 He was Caleb's roommate, and I spent a year with Caleb living with him where he's like, Mac's going to be a pro, Mitch is going to to be a pro. And I was, you know, in my head, Mitch was a backup.

Speaker 3 Mac was playing well, but he was UNC. I didn't necessarily think that was like a,

Speaker 3 you know, a pro path. And, you know, to see him grind out, he got drafted fourth, been on a bunch of teams, great special teamer.
It's cool that he's on the Patriots. I'm pumped.

Speaker 1 What about the other guys?

Speaker 3 Milton Williams, Mac said he was good. Yep.
Carlton Davis, the reports, I mean, he's old, but he's very durable.

Speaker 3 And I don't know the other guys.

Speaker 1 Harold Landry, he was a rainbow guy in Tennessee.

Speaker 7 He was good in Tennessee, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Robert Sploin is a white linebacker, played in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 So I'm excited.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 What about

Speaker 7 another receiver, yeah?

Speaker 1 By the way, the winners of free agency are the teams that didn't have to do a lot. Like the Ravens just re-signing Ronnie Stanley.

Speaker 7 And Patrick Ricard.

Speaker 1 That's like the Eagles. Well, the Eagles lost some more players than the Ravens lost players.
But the winners of free agency are the teams that were already good and didn't lose a lot of guys. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're the big winners in free agency because they were already good.

Speaker 7 The 49ers have also lost a lot of guys, some to free agency, some to trade. The most recent, I think they cut Leonard Floyd today, and he got signed almost immediately by the Falcons.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 they're going to be a much different team next year.

Speaker 1 Also, we should say winner and free agency,

Speaker 1 the Cowboys, all in, because I don't know if you guys saw, but they signed a long snapper for a three-year $4.45 million deal.

Speaker 7 So that's pretty big. All in my ass.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's cooking. Jerry's up to something.

Speaker 7 They also re-signed Kevante Turpin.

Speaker 1 Yep. True.
True. Max, how do you feel about the Eagles losing a lot of guys?

Speaker 10 That's the problem with winning Super Bowls is that

Speaker 10 you provide good players, and then those good players don't have contracts anymore, and then other teams can pay those players more than you can.

Speaker 10 So right now, we're just offloading contracts, which kind of sucks. We traded C.J.
Gardner Johnson.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he thought he was going to be a leader. He was one of your co-leaders.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 10 Darius Slay retweeted something that kind of talked about that.

Speaker 10 Yeah, no, but Gardner Johnson's actually been very mature about it. He did a thank you, Philadelphia post, and then he also was on some live stream.

Speaker 10 He was talking about how it basically had to happen because he was like, I had to go. I just asked for them to send me to a contender because they have a lot of contracts that are coming up.
And

Speaker 10 the young guys got to get paid.

Speaker 10 So that's basically what he said is we're not really saving that much cap space for this year, but but we're saving a lot of cap space for the next couple years because we have a lot of guys on rookie contracts that are going to have to get paid.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 7 even as he left town, he was being a leader.

Speaker 10 Yeah, no,

Speaker 7 he requested a trade right now in order to make the team better in the future.

Speaker 10 He didn't request a trade. He just understood

Speaker 1 the trade.

Speaker 10 Okay. Like he understood that if he's there, then

Speaker 10 Nolan Smith might not get paid, and Nolan Smith's got to get paid.

Speaker 1 It's a business. It's a business.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a business. What about Bechton?

Speaker 7 What's Bechton going to do?

Speaker 10 It looks like he's gone. We're not going to be able to afford to pay him either.

Speaker 10 We instead went and traded for, statistically,

Speaker 10 the worst offensive lineman in the NFL. But Makai Bechton was also a bad offensive lineman and then

Speaker 10 coached Stoutland, coached him up, got him ready. So hopefully we can do the same thing.
Had a lot of potential. He was a first-round pick in 2022.
So he's basically, you know, still a first-rounder.

Speaker 10 We traded C.J. Gardner Johnson for a first-rounder.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
Okay. That's good.
Also, winner, Denver Broncos. I feel like they did a good job of beefing up their defense, which, you know,

Speaker 1 the need to maybe just go and get, try to splurge on some wide receivers when the wide receiver market wasn't like robust, they avoided that. And they're like, hey, let's get a really good defense.

Speaker 1 And they got some X9ers to come and come and help them.

Speaker 1 I also, by the way,

Speaker 1 because I have bashed him, and I'm now back to being a fan.

Speaker 1 Ryan Poles, I also think, has done a good job of signing guys that uh their contracts will it's usually it's about a two-year or three-year deal two-year most of them where it's like that's when you're gonna have to pay caleb williams if caleb williams you know becomes great setting yourself up right so it's like i think you don't want to get into something that's like five years from now i think that's why the texans are getting rid of a lot of guys right now yeah is because they know that they're gonna have to pony up for for cj stroud yeah also Stephon Diggs, I feel like he's gonna sign a pretty decent contract.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right? He probably will.

Speaker 7 Like, if you look at the free agent market for wide receivers this year, not that great. No.
There's some guys in the draft that I think probably some really strong receivers in the draft this year.

Speaker 7 But if you don't get one of them, I feel like he's probably the best that you can do.

Speaker 1 Also, Giants fans, I think this is probably the end

Speaker 1 of the making fun of Saquon Barkley and not re-signing him thing, but signing Darius Slayton for three years, $36 million, when Saquon Barkley got three years, $37 million.

Speaker 1 That's the end, though.

Speaker 1 I think it's the end. But that was pointed out a lot of times.

Speaker 7 And it was also the one-year anniversary of the Eagles signing Saquon today.

Speaker 1 I saw that Shefty tweeted that

Speaker 1 one-year anniversary. Like, really?

Speaker 7 It feels like everyone's just shitting on the Giants, which I get.

Speaker 1 But just back off, they know what they did. Also, loser, the Bengals still have a bunch of guys that they have not paid that they need to pay.
Yeah. And that seems like a

Speaker 1 pretty tough situation they're in right now.

Speaker 7 I have a question for you, Big Cat.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 7 Do you think that we've seen the big quarterback move?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I'm not talking about Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 7 I'm not talking about Aaron Rodgers. Joe Milton.
I'm not talking about Russell Wilson. I'm talking about a quarterback that has a job right now.
Kirk Cousins? Kirk Cousins might be to.

Speaker 7 I feel like Kirk Cousins may be to Cleveland.

Speaker 7 Cleveland's move is Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 1 He could be Giants, too.

Speaker 7 He could also be a Giant.

Speaker 1 I think we probably have seen the last of the big quarterback. Why do you have something?

Speaker 7 No, I just heard something on the radio the other day. It got me thinking.
Go ahead. Kyler Murray.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Do the Cardinals love Kyler Murray?

Speaker 7 I don't think they should. I don't know if they should.
And you got a coach that might need to shake something up,

Speaker 7 keep his job. Interesting.

Speaker 1 I like that. I kind of, yeah.

Speaker 7 I'm just saying, keep an eye on the Cardinals.

Speaker 1 Okay. It's up to something.

Speaker 7 Also, yesterday...

Speaker 7 The most important internet day of the year for NFL fans. Yeah.
Yeah. And I've been a big proponent of everything Elon's been doing with X.com, the everything app.
It's all happening on X.

Speaker 7 You are the media.

Speaker 7 What the fuck was going on yesterday, Elon? It was so bad. Then he started to claim that he was probably getting hacked by Ukraine.

Speaker 7 Buddy, you got one job, and that's to make sure that Adam Schefter can tweet on Free Agency Day in the NFL.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I like the tweet our coworker Nate had that Trump asked him to turn off Twitter because the stock market was plumbing

Speaker 1 Interesting conspiracy. We also had I tweeted like something along the lines of like Elon, you're a real fuckhead for having Twitter break on Today of all days.

Speaker 1 And I didn't realize there is a group of people out there that ride for Elon harder than any fan base ever. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 1 I was vaguely aware, but man, my replies were just,

Speaker 7 I think they searched for Elon Musk.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 1 I didn't know we had fans of the dude the way that people root for their teams.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, we got a lot of Elon fuckboys out there that just, they're his online defenders.

Speaker 1 Me?

Speaker 1 I would never, I would never, you know, root for another man like that and put all my hopes and happiness in how they do and how many interior offensive linemen they sign.

Speaker 7 Ryan Poles was cooking.

Speaker 7 Now, have you seen the meme that's legitimate criticism and they're firing a gun at Elon Musk, who's a poo, and then there's a guy jumping in to block the bullet and just says weird nerds?

Speaker 1 No, I have not seen that meme. I have not seen that meme.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 7 I've done everything that I possibly could to support Elon through his x.com, the everything app takeover.

Speaker 7 And this is how he repairs.

Speaker 1 You guys are big on Twitter.

Speaker 3 You must be getting paid a lot from their ads, right?

Speaker 7 So they just gave us the check mark. We didn't pay for the check mark.
I haven't gotten a payout in seven months because it asked me to submit proof of my ID or something. I was like, fuck that.

Speaker 7 I'm not sending that in.

Speaker 1 I mean, I get like a couple hundred bucks a month, maybe. It's not great.
I thought it was going to be more.

Speaker 3 If you are only getting a couple hundred bucks, then it can't be worth it for anyone.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was a bad day for Twitter to be down. Just keep it down.
Very bad day.

Speaker 7 Send some of those 19-year-olds. Send Big Balls, the 19-year-old guy in Doge, over to take a look at Twitter's source code.
Just get it fixed. Fix that up for me.

Speaker 1 All right,

Speaker 1 what other free agent,

Speaker 1 either teams or players?

Speaker 1 We're going to talk about Pete Prisco. We're going to get into depth with him about winners and losers.

Speaker 1 I'm starting to believe it's kind of like our Sam Darnold Baker Mayfield clip from like five years ago.

Speaker 1 I might start to believe in Zach Wilson again just because that offense is

Speaker 1 set up to just

Speaker 7 drop back throw. Well, there's a lot of MILFs in Miami for him to impress.
That's probably the best city in the world for him to go to. That's true.

Speaker 1 Hey,

Speaker 1 pull up the free agent signing tracker again, Max. Let's just go.

Speaker 1 I don't want to miss anyone. Go up to the top.
Oh, Puna Ford. That was big.

Speaker 7 Puna Ford for the Rams. That was huge.
Got a big run to the bank.

Speaker 1 The Rams are going to be good, man.

Speaker 7 Rams are going to be good.

Speaker 1 Rams are going to be good.

Speaker 7 What are the Chargers doing?

Speaker 1 Can we see it? Go back to that.

Speaker 7 Oh, Chargers got Najee Harris.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's right. Chargers got Najee Harris.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to look, see if we missed any

Speaker 1 big ones.

Speaker 1 You're going too fast.

Speaker 1 I can't keep it.

Speaker 2 I don't know if you want me to go fast or slow.

Speaker 1 I want you to go medium. Trevor Burrus Ward to the Colts.

Speaker 3 Kyle Yuschek got released.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, that sucked.

Speaker 7 It'd be nice to have him in D.C.

Speaker 3 Nice to have him in New England.

Speaker 1 The Bucs re-signed. God went in, Levante David, and I think they got a pass rusher as well.

Speaker 1 Teams, it didn't feel like it felt like a lot of the big moves happened via trade, you know, like on the week leading up and then Sunday night.

Speaker 1 And then there weren't, once Sam Darnold went, there's some nice pieces, but again, it's free agency. Like you,

Speaker 1 if you're getting someone in, like, Drew Dahlman's going to be a better center than what the Bears have had for a long time, but he's also not a perfect player because otherwise he wouldn't be in free agency.

Speaker 1 Right. That's just how it works.
Ronnie Stanley didn't go to free agency.

Speaker 7 You know who else is a free agent right now? Trey Lance.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 7 Trey Lance. Cowboys gave

Speaker 7 draft picks for him. Didn't play him for some reason.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 And now he's just, he's free to sign wherever. I think he's thrown like 400 passes as a NFL and collegiate quarterback.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, oh, yeah, Jameis is still out there.

Speaker 7 There's your big move. Yeah, Jameis is lurking.
There's your movie. Probably a bidding war for Jameis right now.

Speaker 1 Also, is Derek Carr going to start for the Saints again? That's kind of one of those those things that I just like, oh, yeah, I guess. I feel like, I guess so.

Speaker 7 I feel like Kellen Moore is going to look at Derek Carr and be like, yeah, I can work with this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all right, we'll give it a shot. I just,

Speaker 1 his name popped in my head last night. I was just like, oh, yeah, he is going to play for the Saints again.

Speaker 7 I'm going to do that. Let's see, Brandon Scherf, has he signed anywhere? Nope.

Speaker 1 So there's still some names out there.

Speaker 1 PFT, I like the Laramie Tunsel.

Speaker 7 I don't understand it for the Texans.

Speaker 1 I like Laramie Tunsle.

Speaker 1 I like Kinlaw. Yeah.
You did a lot of good things.

Speaker 7 Good moves. Memes is shaking his head.
No, for some reason.

Speaker 1 Oh, for Kinlaw?

Speaker 9 Oh, Javon Kinlaw.

Speaker 9 That was the worst contract of all time.

Speaker 1 Oh, that we gave out. Oh, yeah.
Here we go.

Speaker 1 He was on

Speaker 7 the worst contract of all time.

Speaker 8 You guys just let Jonathan Allen walk, and you signed Javon Kinlaw.

Speaker 7 There's a lot of shit.

Speaker 1 Wait, Deshaun Watson still is that contract still is going. You're right.

Speaker 1 Second worst. Second worst.

Speaker 7 Second worst. What about Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 8 No, he was a stud.

Speaker 9 He's still got some ball left in him.

Speaker 7 Top five. Top five.

Speaker 1 You think that was the worst contract given out yesterday? It was so bad.

Speaker 1 It was so bad. Oh, I didn't know yet.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you've got some real animosity towards Kinlaw.

Speaker 9 He's the king of just like, all right, plays over, 15-yard penalty, Javon Kinlaw.

Speaker 8 You can't stop the run.

Speaker 10 You can't do much.

Speaker 8 He was on a proven deal last year and just didn't prove anything.

Speaker 7 Bet on himself, though.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, it sounds like he proved something if he got that much money.

Speaker 7 You love guys who bet on themselves.

Speaker 1 I do. I do.

Speaker 8 But now he's your problem.

Speaker 7 Now he's my problem. Coach Quinn.

Speaker 8 Coach Quinn.

Speaker 7 He's going to coach him up. Other other than that you did a great job thanks me appreciate that what else did the jets do

Speaker 8 got a safety a corner they also told peter schraeger that we're not going they're not going to leak any information what so we don't know they could have signed more guys wait so they leaked to peter schrager that they will will be stopping the leaks yeah they they will they'll be announcing everything at 12 o'clock when the official Period starts.

Speaker 7 They're respecting the league year. Yeah, respecting the league year.

Speaker 8 So everything that got announced was from the agent or player side.

Speaker 7 Got it.

Speaker 1 You're not supposed to sign anyone right now.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but everyone's being signed.

Speaker 1 Right, but you're not supposed to.

Speaker 7 You're not supposed to.

Speaker 1 It's actually illegal. So we shouldn't.
We actually shouldn't even... We should delete this footage.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I like the whole thing. I like the Jets, though, being we're the only ones that are going to respect the official

Speaker 7 NFL state agency deadline.

Speaker 1 Wait, does that mean

Speaker 1 there's going to be a flurry of signings that you're expecting? I hope so. But Justin Fields got leaked.
He deleted it.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but that's from the player side. So the player side could leak it.
But inside the building, I don't fucking know.

Speaker 1 So they're basically just telling you, don't worry.

Speaker 7 Players and their agents would leak it if they were signing with the Jets, though.

Speaker 1 Wait, so the Jets are basically doing, like, if you forget your significant other's, like, birthday or, like, Valentine's Day, you're like, wait till you see the present. I got you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's coming later. It's in the mail.
And then you have to, like, rush out and grab something. That's what they're doing? Yeah, that's what they're doing.

Speaker 8 He also deleted that tweet immediately and then quote tweeted somebody who was just like, yeah, they're not telling anybody anything.

Speaker 7 Okay. What about your boy, one of the saviors of the season from last year, memes, Hassan Reddick?

Speaker 9 Oh, we got a conditional fourth-round pick for him.

Speaker 7 We got a fourth-rounder for him. So now he's with the picks.
Now he's with the Bucs, right? He's with the Bucs.

Speaker 7 What happened with that?

Speaker 7 Did you ever find out what the explanation was? Why

Speaker 7 you guys should have extended him when you signed him, when you traded for him?

Speaker 8 Yeah, we should have. And then it was just a holdoff between him and Joe Douglas.

Speaker 8 He never came in, got fat, refused to play,

Speaker 8 didn't get a contract, went to free agency.

Speaker 7 I love me just breakdowns of these things because that was such a weird, weird saga that went on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was. It was very weird.

Speaker 8 It didn't work out. He got a one-year deal.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Also, yeah, congrats to the Bucs, Chris Godwin.
Big re-signing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, big resigning.

Speaker 7 They know what they're doing in that front office down there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Should we do Hot Seat Cool Throne? And then we'll get to our interviews.
We're going to talk more NFL free agency with with Pete Prisco.

Speaker 1 And then we have Dusty Mae as well. We're going to actually start with Dusty May.

Speaker 1 Let's do Hot Seat Cool Throne. Man, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 12 When you're hungry out there, you start acting like a rookie quarterback in his first game, making bad decisions, messing up the basics, being all out of sorts. That's where Snickers comes in, man.

Speaker 12 That thing is packed. Roasted peanuts, nugget, caramel, milk chocolate.
It's like the MVP of candy bars.

Speaker 12 And when you bite into it, boom, it sorts you out, gets your head back in the game of life satisfying your hunger remember this snickers handles your hunger so you can handle everything else snickers satisfies man that's a winning play uh all right hank your hot seat cool throne my hot seat is tiger woods

Speaker 3 took him uh very unfortunate today he put out a statement that said as i began to ramp up my own training and practice at home i felt a sharp pain in my left achilles which was deemed to be ruptured

Speaker 3 uh he got surgery for it today surgery went well smoothly smoothly. We expect a full recovery.
And he said he's back home now, playing to focus all my recovery and rehab.

Speaker 3 Thank you for all the support.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 7 Is that his driving foot?

Speaker 3 I don't know, but it's

Speaker 3 just injury after injury.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's over.

Speaker 1 It's over. It sucks, but it's over.
It's probably over. Yeah.
He should enjoy his life. He's the best golfer I've ever seen.

Speaker 3 So go enjoy your life. Senior tour, maybe.

Speaker 7 That'd be cool. Just see him dominate.

Speaker 1 Get ready for, just get Charlie ready.

Speaker 3 And then just, yeah, play in in the majors. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Get Charlie ready to go. Next up.

Speaker 3 And then my cool throne is Superman punches. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 This happened last night in the Utah hockey game. Simon Benoit.
Benoit. I don't know.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Probably Benoit.

Speaker 3 Probably Benoit. Yep.
I like the way you say it.

Speaker 1 Benoit? Like Beloit, Wisconsin?

Speaker 3 Who was the bad wrestler guy?

Speaker 1 That would be Chris Benoit. Benoit was Benoit.
What did he do? Why is he?

Speaker 3 He just wasn't great at selling punches. No, I was kidding.

Speaker 3 He was a murderer.

Speaker 7 Bad guy. Was he on Adam Schefter's tweet?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 probably

Speaker 1 before Twitter.

Speaker 7 Was that 2007?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was a long time ago. Oh, Justin Reed breaking moves.
Is there no Benoits? No, it's Benoit. Benoit.

Speaker 3 But I feel like there's someone out there that's named Benoit.

Speaker 1 All right, so if you're a Benoit, hit us up.

Speaker 1 Former Chief Safety Justin Reed reached agreement today with the Saints on a three-year $31.5 million deal. All right, good for him.
Good for him.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so Simon Benoit.

Speaker 3 Threw a Superman punch in a fight. He kind of missed it.
He dislocated his thumb, but then Hockey Guy Move was in the penalty box, relocating his thumb himself.

Speaker 1 Love that. Relocating it?

Speaker 3 Undislocating it?

Speaker 7 Reducing the dislocation.

Speaker 1 Relocating. Is it relocating?

Speaker 3 Dislocated. What's the opposite of dislocation?

Speaker 7 I think it's relocating.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Popping it back in.
Popping it back in.

Speaker 7 I like relocating. Yeah, relocating is good.
Utah hockey's big on that.

Speaker 1 Benoit. Benoit.
Okay.

Speaker 7 He was sick, but he lost the fight.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he got smoked.

Speaker 1 If a picture went all out, yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, you have that picture in your house forever. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 7 Don't ask me what happened afterwards. Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 Something like

Speaker 7 it was fun. It is an insane move to do in a hockey fight, though.

Speaker 3 On skate, too.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I respect it.

Speaker 1 R.A. PFT?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, Hank took my tiger from me, so I'll say my hot seat is Doctors in Argentina.

Speaker 7 Because the guys, the doctors that were looking after

Speaker 7 my personal hero, Diego Maradona, maybe the best soccer player of all time and fellow short king. They are currently being put on trial for homicide for killing Diego Maradona.
What?

Speaker 7 I guess we're about to find out what happened, but he was being treated for a blood clot in his power.

Speaker 1 Were he takes cocaine from him?

Speaker 7 It had nothing to do with cocaine.

Speaker 7 The 2018 World Cup, where Maradona is up in the stands in his private box, that was the box of the decade. Yes.

Speaker 7 Because there's this glass pane that's in front of Maradona, and it's covered in white white powder. This guy was having the best time ever.
Ever.

Speaker 7 So he died in 2020, and then he had that blood clot in his brain. He had surgery.
It was a success. Then he goes home.
Then he died shortly thereafter.

Speaker 7 And they're saying that the doctors actually killed him.

Speaker 13 He's been dead for five years?

Speaker 7 Yeah, pretty crazy, right?

Speaker 1 That's crazy, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 7 I say justice for Maradona. Yeah, I'd agree.

Speaker 7 He was the absolute best.

Speaker 1 I'd like to see the findings here.

Speaker 7 And then my cool throne is the Big 12 because they're playing their tournament right now, and their court is the weirdest fucking thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

Speaker 7 And the commissioner of the Big 12 said that it's actually a resounding success because so many people are talking about it.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 7 So embrace debate. The court at the Big 12 tournament, which looks like a magic eye, it looks like if you've ever put on a VR headset and it asks you to scan the room.

Speaker 7 to know where the walls and the floor are, that's what it looks like.

Speaker 1 They're playing basketball on a Louis Vuitton bag. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And It's a Brooklyn Nets game. It's bad.

Speaker 7 I feel like if you're a player on the court, you probably don't mind it that much, but if you watch it on TV, it sucks ass.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's hard to look at. It's hard to look at.
Okay.

Speaker 1 My hot seat is UNC fans because I don't know if you guys saw, but Cooper Flag's mom, there was a viral clip over the weekend of doing the on the head because he threw down a dunk.

Speaker 1 And she released a statement, and she said, it was a very intense situation we were put into, and we were taken aback by the crudeness of UNC fans. We made our way into the arena.

Speaker 1 They continue to harass us, with much worse being spewed in our direction, as well as our 18-year-old son and his teammates throughout the entirety of the game.

Speaker 1 Celebration was a moment of being so proud of our kid, and also a big fuck you to the entire Carolina fan base for being classless assholes. If you're a UNC fan and didn't like it, tough shit.

Speaker 1 Better luck next time. Go, Duke.
I love this.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's good. That's awesome.
That's also good.

Speaker 1 This is an apology for, I apologize for absolute novels.

Speaker 3 It started soft. Yeah, it started like ravelry week.
I was getting into it. Of course, they're going to be chirping you, but you should be allowed to chirp back.

Speaker 3 That's a good response.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I love this so much because never in a million years would you expect a Duke player's mom to be putting that statement. Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It was, it was, that was very unduke of her.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Which is a compliment.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Big time compliment.
Uh, my other hot seat is me because my 16-0 streak has ended. 16 in a row.
I'll never do it again. It was a hell of an eight days.
I'm sad it's over.

Speaker 1 And now I'm just going to go on tilt for a little bit and then hopefully find my way back to neutral, which is like

Speaker 1 going like 46%.

Speaker 7 No, you got this.

Speaker 7 There's one thing about like getting high. If you go on like a 5-0 run, 6-0 run, you can chalk a lot of that up to luck.
But

Speaker 7 16-0,

Speaker 7 you knew the game better than the Bookmakers.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I had one moment

Speaker 1 I would like to take back as I got into bed last night and I just muttered, I have nothing to live for anymore. And my wife was like, what did you just say? So that was bad.

Speaker 1 But in the moment, I was very upset about the 16. I mean, it was fun.
It was a fun ride. Thank you for everyone who rode with me.

Speaker 1 And congrats to Hank because he's going to fade me now and he's going to win a shitload of money. It's going to be a great ride.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you made a lot of people rich in March.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So thank you.
And now you get to you're you put in the puts. It's the big short.
There's a bubble. You've made

Speaker 1 me buying a boat.

Speaker 3 You got a people that rode you during the streak rich, and now you're going to

Speaker 1 now give it all back. Yeah.
So you're

Speaker 1 Robin Hood.

Speaker 1 You saw me buying a stripper pole in a boat and you called Michael Scott and you were like, hey, it's a bubble. We got to short everything.

Speaker 7 Hank's Ryan Gosling, and he takes out one jinger piece and it just says UNCW. Yeah.
And he smashes the rest of it with the baseball ball.

Speaker 1 Congrats. It's going to be a hell of a ride for you, Hank.
You might go 16-0 the other way. It might happen.
And then my cool throne is Timothy Chalamet just because he's the man. And I saw him.

Speaker 1 Was it Kylie Jenner? Kylie? Kylie Jenner rubbing up on him. I would have came.

Speaker 1 Just going to say that.

Speaker 1 But he's.

Speaker 1 Does he have top five life right now going?

Speaker 7 It's pretty good.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's literally, how old is he?

Speaker 3 23? He's 27.

Speaker 1 And he's got the world by his balls. He's like universally loved.
He seems like a cool ass dude. He's got Kylie Jenner and her big jugs rubbing up on him while he's watching tennis.
He's 29 years old.

Speaker 1 He's got like everything in front of him right now.

Speaker 7 And he knows ball.

Speaker 1 And he knows ball.

Speaker 7 He's probably not Kylie Malgaib. Kylie's probably going to break up with him during the tournament.
Yeah. He's going to be like, sorry, babe,

Speaker 7 I got to watch watch ball. You understand?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 a good follow on Twitter, big content guy, had a funny tweet about how we're so dumb as sports fans that all you got to do is just like say one thing about ball, and everyone's like, dude, that guy rocks.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And I think, hold on, I'm going to say that.

Speaker 3 Miami of Ohio.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was like, if Osama bin Laden had said, I really like

Speaker 1 what Miami of Ohio is doing this year, we all would have been like, you know what? That wasn't that bad what he did. Yeah, he's kind of the guy's guy.

Speaker 7 I mean, just hung out with the boys in the caves, had the monkey bars set up. Yeah.
Yeah. Essentially, Al-Qaeda was just training camp.

Speaker 3 It was the gambling cave, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, yeah.
Timothy Chalamet's proof that you can change an entire nation's perception of you by knowing ball.

Speaker 1 If Osama bin Laden would have declared his love for May of Ohio's football program, we would have been like, you know, we can always just rebuild those towers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If Kim Jong, if Kim Jong got three picks right on college game day, I'm pretty sure we'd all just be like, that's just their culture. He ain't doing nothing wrong.
Yeah. it's true.
We're easy.

Speaker 7 Listen, Kim Jong-un does know ball.

Speaker 1 He does. Yeah.
Massive fan. He's a Rodman guy.

Speaker 7 He's a massive fan of the 90s Bulls.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Big, big Rodman guy.

Speaker 7 Yeah, if you're playing 2K online and you don't know who you're playing against, it's at a weird time of day, chances are pretty good that it's Kim Jong-un in North Korea. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, agreed. All right.
Should we get to our interviews? We've got two great ones, Dusty May and Pete Prisco talking more NFL free agency. And good luck to everyone in March Madness.
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Speaker 7 And now here is Dusty Mae.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, recurring guest. A little different this time.
Last time was with FAU and has run to the final four. It is Michigan Wolverines head coach Dusty May.

Speaker 1 It is March. We're excited.
Coach,

Speaker 1 I guess we've got to start with the elephant in the room. Sunday had a little dust up with Michigan State.
Did you know that you're not supposed to step on another man's logo?

Speaker 1 Was that ever

Speaker 1 coached in any of your meetings with the team?

Speaker 16 Well, the size of the logo, I assumed after the game, we probably wouldn't be on the logo for senior night. But as the game was going on, I didn't know that that was uncharted territory.

Speaker 16 Especially, we're shooting a free throw. And the time before that, the free throw situation before that, we missed it.

Speaker 16 They grabbed it, outlet it to half court, and Cohen Carr was at the rim in about a second and a half.

Speaker 16 So we were actually imploring our guys to stay alert and in case we missed the free throw to be ready to defend.

Speaker 16 And yeah, we didn't realize that it was going to, that would incite a wrestling maneuver.

Speaker 16 But now we know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I would assume that you, you know, obviously you don't want players, you know, fighting at half court, but it's a rivalry. I would assume you're a sports guy.
You love basketball.

Speaker 1 You know, that's rivalries are good for sports. This is what fans want.

Speaker 16 You know, I'm a big fan of Joel Mazzullah with the Celtics, so I was very intrigued by his comment about how the players should fight a lot more. And I'm not sure.

Speaker 16 I subscribe to that big cat. But the thing of it is, is there's already a player that came out and they told us the officials officials came over and said, hey, they have a tradition.

Speaker 16 They're going to kiss the floor. And I'd probably seen Mateen Cleves had done it before.
And I'd even read where Respirt had done it before after the fact.

Speaker 16 But I don't watch a lot of Michigan State senior nights. So I didn't know the exact protocol and procedures.
And even now, I'm a little bit surprised that they do it during the game.

Speaker 16 Typically, you take your seniors out, they get an ovation, they kiss the court, and they move on, or they hug their teammates, whatever the case. And the officials told me this is going to happen.

Speaker 16 I said, great. And so I think it was Fiddler, kissed the court, went out, took the applause.

Speaker 16 And then I forget the next player came out and something, and our players were standing in the exact same spot. They're having it, actually, it looked like they were having a conversation.

Speaker 16 And by the way, we played it, they probably weren't talking about the next assignment, but they're standing in half court chatting.

Speaker 16 And then just out of the blue, something angered Holloman and obviously came in with the

Speaker 16 aggressive maneuver.

Speaker 16 But yeah, now we know we'll, I guess, put our, you know, hopefully we're not in this situation anymore, but next time we'll clear the logo that covers about a third of the court and keep it rolling.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you got to respect the S kissing. Yes.
The S kissing is a big deal there.

Speaker 7 So in a way,

Speaker 7 could this be a good thing going into the conference tournament? Because in hockey, I always feel that way. If

Speaker 7 the team we're rooting for loses a big hockey game and there's a big fight at the end, you know, stir things up a little bit, get the sticks tapping a little bit, change the momentum.

Speaker 7 At least your guys are fired up, right, going into the tournament. Could you spin this and it'd be a good thing?

Speaker 16 Yeah, and to be honest, we were atrocious to begin the game. The first 10 minutes, they were playing at a different speed.

Speaker 16 They were playing 2X on podcast, and we were at 0.5.

Speaker 16 And the second half, we competed at a high level.

Speaker 16 We looked like us again,

Speaker 16 even though we didn't really make shots. We took care of the ball.
We defended much better. We play with more aggression and physicality.

Speaker 16 So it gives us hope that we can find our stride this last week or so against some of the the most talented teams in the league.

Speaker 16 We haven't competed at the level we needed to or play as well as we could have.

Speaker 16 But now a new season starts. We're excited for the Big Ten tournament.
Hopefully, a Sunday would be a great rematch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so yeah, I mean, your season's been interesting because you guys obviously started really hot, and the end of the season has been, you know, the Big Ten's tough. It wears on everyone.

Speaker 1 What is the message, though, when it's like you lose three straight going to the tournament? A lot of this tournament, you know, because you've been to a Final Four is getting hot at the right time.

Speaker 1 So is it drastically changing anything or is it, hey, we just have to start doing the little things better?

Speaker 16 Well, in the Big Ten now, there are breaks that you receive or you're on the wrong end. And our schedule, I think we played four games in the last 13 days

Speaker 16 against some of the best opponents

Speaker 16 where other teams had it earlier. And obviously, we have an advantage being in the Midwest where we're closer to most of the teams in the Big Ten.
The West Coast schools have to travel more.

Speaker 16 There's just disadvantage and advantages of being in a league this big. So now by us securing the double buy, we have some time to practice and rest.

Speaker 16 We really haven't had an opportunity to practice in a couple of weeks because the quick turns and the mandatory day offs and whatnot. And

Speaker 16 we don't have the depth that a lot of the other teams have. We've got a couple of reserves that have been injured and ill and haven't played.

Speaker 16 And so we've been riding really six guys during this stretch.

Speaker 16 So it gives us a chance to kind of take a deep breath, find a way to get healthy, and then also practice for a couple of days and try to clean up a few things. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Do you have a message to any Wolverine fans out there that might be thinking about hitting the panic button? Because I think the panic button might be in the room. They might be looking at it.

Speaker 7 They haven't smashed it just yet. But to those fans out there, do you have anything to say to them?

Speaker 16 Give us two weeks. These are the most important games coming up.
And yeah, I wouldn't hit it quite yet. We still have a group.

Speaker 16 We've got a heck of a front line that's continuing to put up staggering numbers, even when they're not playing their best. And I believe that we're going to make some shots.

Speaker 16 You know, if you would have said we were going to shoot 30% over Big Ten play, I would have said, man, we're done early. We're not going to, we probably won't make the Big Ten tournament.

Speaker 16 And that's what we ended up doing after being really 20 games in. We were one of the top shooting teams in the country, top 20 shooting teams in the country from three and top three or four from two.

Speaker 16 And over the last 14 games or so, I think we're around 355th or 360th. So there's been a big drop off in shooting.

Speaker 16 One of the factors is one of our best shooters hasn't played in a while. So, but yeah, I think we're going to make some shots.
We were really close yesterday.

Speaker 16 We generated some good looks that just didn't drop. So I think we're much closer than the scores

Speaker 16 indicates as of late.

Speaker 1 I got a kind of not a basketball nerd question, but obviously your team this year, very, very good. Struggle with turnovers.
That's been a kind of the bugaboo all year for you guys.

Speaker 1 Is there a specific drill or is there something that you do as a coach where you're trying to fix that? Because I'm just curious.

Speaker 1 It seems like something that it would be difficult to fix, but I'm wondering what, as a basketball coach, you're like, this is what we have to go through to clean this part of our game up.

Speaker 1 Because if we can clean this part up, we're probably a lot better of a team than people expect.

Speaker 16 Well, early in the year, we attributed to we were playing a little bit faster than these guys had ever played. We were really trying to sell something.

Speaker 16 for the future, the recruits, a system, the style of play.

Speaker 16 And then we we realized that we weren't really turning it over when we were playing fast. It was mostly just the decision-making, the ball movement.
We've tried every drill.

Speaker 16 I've consulted probably 25 different coaches. There's actually a group of us that were really struggling earlier in the year with turnovers.
So we were communicating with each other.

Speaker 16 about what we were trying to do, what, you know, and so

Speaker 16 the other two guys that were down at the bottom with us, those guys have made, they made a nice jump late. So they were able to fix it

Speaker 16 using the same ideas. So we just haven't been able to.
Yesterday we did in the second half, but it's a myriad of things. I think we had three or four turnovers on illegal screens.

Speaker 16 We've been imploring our guys to screen more and get their teammates open. So it's been a different problem every night.
There haven't been real consistent themes.

Speaker 16 And it's something where hopefully yesterday, the second half, the light bulb went on. And,

Speaker 16 you know, hopefully we can figure this out before it's too late.

Speaker 1 Okay, a couple ideas. One thing off that.
So there was a turnover group text. Who else else was on it? That's awesome.

Speaker 16 I'll just say my good friend Coach White at Georgia, who I worked with for a number of years at Louisiana Tech in Florida. And I was actually talking to one of his assistants this morning.

Speaker 16 I said, hey, I haven't checked your turnover numbers lately.

Speaker 16 They've won their last four or five games against really, like they've caught, they've found their stride in the last five games. And I asked if their turnover numbers were

Speaker 16 down because I didn't have time to research it. And he said drastically.

Speaker 3 And I asked him what they were doing.

Speaker 16 And he told me the two drills that they had done consistently. I said, yeah, we did those as well.
They didn't work for for us.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's awesome that you had a therapy group with, you know, the coaches with high turnover teams.

Speaker 1 The other thought is, have you thought about maybe making everyone on the team dribble around a basketball in Ann Arbor and letting like the entire student body know, like, hey, you can pickpocket at any time.

Speaker 1 Like these guys have to do a better job with the ball. Just really making it just playground rules.

Speaker 16 Well, Big Cat, actually, a lot of our issues are over-dribbling. So

Speaker 16 I'd like for these guys to be passing through crowds, passing around the fans, walking the sidewalks, but it's something to think about.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, so you need to have you need to pair everyone up and be like, you guys have to go to class together and you have to pass.

Speaker 1 The ball can't hit the ground, you have to pass all the way to class.

Speaker 16 I like it.

Speaker 7 Okay, or just run the three-man weave for an entire practice. Yeah, just the ball never hits the floor.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I always loved that drill because it was really fun to do as a player, but I don't think it helps in a basketball sense at all. The three-man weave.

Speaker 16 There's a lot of, there's a, that's actually a a uh a debate ongoing debate amongst coaches and and it serves different purposes catching on the run and and whatnot is not that easy but a lot of times the defenders have something to do with especially when you're playing a team as physical as michigan state and as intense as they are and as deep as they are uh they have a lot to do with those turnovers and and uh you've got to find a way to to slow down and and make simple decisions and and and reads i would just run a practice where i had five guys on offense and then i'd have eight guys on defense and be like take care of the ball

Speaker 16 We've done that against pressing teams. It has.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So what's Danny Wolf's ceiling? Because I love watching him play.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm a badger. We played earlier in the season and the Vlad Danny Wolf pick and roll was, I had nightmares about it afterwards.

Speaker 1 It just worked like over and over and you guys are just running it over and over. But Danny Wolf, he's an incredible player.
And like, what do you think his ceiling is as a player?

Speaker 16 I mean, he's just scratching the surface, to be honest, big cat.

Speaker 16 he can shoot it um you know he's still learning to trust his catch and shoot shot he's always been such a playmaker that his first instinct is usually to catch and dribble and and drive and we're trying to get him to to trust his three ball more for his long-term future and for us we had like i as i said that we haven't shot it well but his ability to dribble the ball make make difficult passes i mean he's he's got a special special gift um and he continues to try to simplify his game to get his turnovers down but that that wisconsin game um was kind of their coming out party and we're glad to do it against your alma mater yeah yeah I mean it's a great story too Danny Wolf like he usually when a guy transfers from an Ivy League because he went to Yale it's like you know a fifth-year senior or something and he's like going to be you know a role player he was he should have been and he should have been been playing power five basketball from the jump he's that good

Speaker 16 And he's a little bit of a late bloomer. I think even his freshman year at Yale, he had several DNPs, didn't play a lot.
And that summer, he played with the Israeli national team.

Speaker 16 And just part of playing more and having confidence. And then his sophomore year, he really exploded and became one of the best players in the Ivy League.

Speaker 16 And at his height, the situation's worked out well for him, too. I do think Vlad, his ability to get behind the defense and catch any basketball in his vicinity.

Speaker 16 has really helped Danny as a passer and helped his production. And as you guys saw in the Barstool imitation last year,

Speaker 16 that's a big target around that rim.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Coach, we take ourselves pretty seriously as journalists here, and one part of that is trying to dispel any fake news that goes around.

Speaker 7 So I want to give you the opportunity to get ahead of this because we have an internal reporter here, a person who works at Barcelona Sports.

Speaker 7 His name is White Boy Rick, and he is a massive Indiana Hoosiers fan. He reported that you would be the next Indiana Hoosiers head coach.
Can we just say, is White Boy Rick, is he onto something?

Speaker 7 Because I think it's fake. I think he made that up as a fan, but I'll give you the opportunity to say what you want about it.

Speaker 16 I'm going to go to fake news on that one.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 White boy Rick is a big fan. Sorry, White Boy Rick.

Speaker 1 All right, but off that,

Speaker 1 you're staying at Michigan. I think you signed into contract ascension.
Congratulations on that. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Part of you does feel good when your name just gets thrown out there, when you see Indiana and everyone's like, he could save us. That's got to feel at least good for the ego.

Speaker 1 You're never going to leave. You're a Michigan man, but that has to feel a little good where you're just like, yeah, let me read a couple of Indiana fans being like, we need Dusty May right now.

Speaker 16 Actually, it doesn't because

Speaker 1 you're a better guy than us.

Speaker 16 Winning games and people, coaches, and people that you really, really respect saying nice things about you. Those are the ones, the only ones that really matter.

Speaker 16 As far as that other stuff, you know, you lose a game.

Speaker 16 It's not, but yeah, I'm very, very happy at Michigan.

Speaker 16 I appreciate the opportunity that these guys gave me, and I'm excited about the foundation that we've laid in year one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, see, all right, so you're a better guy than us because I would definitely, if I were in your spot, there would definitely be moments where like players would try to talk to me and I'd be buried in my phone and be like, sorry, white boy Rick and Hoosier Bong Rips are saying they need me so bad right now.

Speaker 1 Hoosier Bong Rips knows ball.

Speaker 7 It's hard to pass up a compliment from that guy.

Speaker 1 Like, this is awesome. I'm their savior.

Speaker 16 Now that we're on topic,

Speaker 16 I wasn't aware of the Hoosier Bong Rips completely.

Speaker 16 I'm assuming he's got a real keen eye for Hoops.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Quiet eye. He's got a quiet eye.
They're red, but yeah, he's got a good eye.

Speaker 7 I read that you bike to work every single day. Did you keep that up throughout the entire winter in Ann Arbor or did you take a couple days off?

Speaker 16 I took a couple months off. Yeah, that

Speaker 16 was a bokeh thing.

Speaker 16 And I tried it the first day it got cold. I tried it and I was about a mile up the road and my hands were frozen.
So then I'm riding with one hand, switching hands.

Speaker 16 And so yeah, it didn't work out. I parked the bike.
The sun, it's 60. My wife just texted me a little bit ago.
I left early and she said it's 60 today. Make sure you make your calls outside.
Yeah.

Speaker 16 And so apparently we're going to get a little bit of that bokeh weather now. And,

Speaker 16 you know, I'm excited for it.

Speaker 1 Did it hurt a little losing that as a recruiting chip? Because when we last talked, when we last had you on, I think you said like, hey, when recruits come here, I just say, look outside.

Speaker 1 What do you, how did you get your FAU guys to come up to Ann Arbor? Did you just trick them? Did you tell, did you delete the weather app off their phone?

Speaker 16 The spring, summer, and fall in

Speaker 16 Ann Arbor are amazing. So that's when we're doing most of the official visits.
Okay. And so we brought a lot of guys up from the south.

Speaker 16 So they didn't get hit with that, with the sledgehammer until about really November, December, and it was too late. They'd already signed up.
They're already here.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And you got to just tell them, hey, look, in the winter, you're going to be locked in the gym anyway.
We got to get you better. So it's like, this is no distractions.
You're in the gym.

Speaker 16 Big cat, you got to, you're a heck of a salesman.

Speaker 16 Let me know if you're interested in us creating a GM position. I would never do it for Michigan.

Speaker 1 Although, actually, maybe I kind of technically am just by working at Barstool Sports. For the pres.

Speaker 1 Well, Dave, I mean, everything at this company is just geared towards Michigan NIL. So I don't know if you heard that.
You probably did. You've probably been in our meetings.
I've heard that.

Speaker 1 Every podcast we do on Pardon My Take, like half of the proceeds go to Michigan NIL. People don't realize that.
I like that. I'm a big fan.

Speaker 16 It sounds like we have one of the best leaders, quarterbacks, coming in. So

Speaker 16 he's made a great first impression.

Speaker 7 Get on the phone with Larry Ellison. Be like, hey, I hear that your wife really likes this guy.

Speaker 7 This five-star recruit from Damatha. Yeah, big fan.

Speaker 1 So, so we had Rick Petino in studio a couple weeks ago. He said he's not even recruiting high school guys this year.

Speaker 1 Is that something that you've considered, or is it like we still got to do both? Because obviously everything's changed with the NIL.

Speaker 16 We're going to do both. We signed two high school players early, technically three, and we brought one in at Christmas time to red shirt second semester.

Speaker 16 We thought that would help his development for next year. So we're going to do a combination of both.

Speaker 16 We do think for long-term sustainability at Michigan.

Speaker 16 There's a lot more constraints in recruiting than there are other places as far as we can't take third-year juniors.

Speaker 16 There's some things that, so we have to have a feeder system and be developing some young players. And also, just the way that we like to coach and we like to teach.

Speaker 16 We enjoy the relationship piece, we enjoy having lifelong relationships with them. So, we're going to do a combination.

Speaker 16 We're obviously going to hit the portal this spring aggressively, but we're going to continue to recruit high school players as well, just not as many as before.

Speaker 7 What is a Michigan man? And can you become a Michigan man, or is it something that you're born with?

Speaker 16 You're definitely not born a Michigan man. I'm evolving into one right now.
So

Speaker 16 it's someone that this place, there's so much pride and esteem in

Speaker 16 the connection, the relationships, the brand of Michigan, what it stands for.

Speaker 16 It truly is an honor to walk into the functions and meet the people that I'm able to meet as the coach and our players are able to interact with.

Speaker 16 So we take a lot of pride in representing Michigan and what it stands for.

Speaker 16 And the Michigan man is real to us. We're trying to find guys that

Speaker 16 they're high achievers. They're extremely motivated.
They care about other people. And

Speaker 16 we've done a good job of identifying those in the first cycle.

Speaker 7 I know that you're always looking to improve yourself as a coach. And I read that you were reading the, was it the Know Your Why book? The Why is Everything? The book with Shanahan, McDaniel, McVay.

Speaker 7 I think you might have read that this fall. What did you pick up? Yeah.
What did you pick up from that that you relate to your job?

Speaker 16 Oh, man,

Speaker 16 the evolution of McVay, number one, I think we all go through it at a different stage. I know

Speaker 16 years and years ago, I was an assistant coach and we got fired. And it caused me to completely realign my values.
And I instantly became a much better coach, much better mentor, much better father.

Speaker 16 And so that's the one thing that really stood out. And then obviously just the Shanahans,

Speaker 16 they're forward thinking. I don't follow football anymore.

Speaker 16 I used to, you know, when you have kids and you have this job that's just demanding, you can't spend six or eight hours on a Sunday watching football.

Speaker 16 Or, you know, I do watch college football still, but and so just

Speaker 16 the evolution of what that coaching tree was able to accomplish and how the forward thinking and the connection amongst them, how they helped each other and how they saw things in people that others didn't see and had a different way of doing things.

Speaker 16 Because especially for us starting this year, we felt like we had to be different in some way.

Speaker 16 We couldn't simply come in and try to play like Purdue or play like Michigan State, be a carbon copy and beat them at their own game. So we went with the two seven footers.

Speaker 16 We tried to do things differently and it allowed us to be in contention in the last couple weeks of the season. And that's all you can ask for other than finishing the job.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So in the course of a season, you have all these ups and downs.
How many times would you say after a practice, you're like, that was a Bob Knight practice?

Speaker 1 Because obviously, you know, you started your basketball career underneath him in Indiana. Is there a moment where you can be like, yeah, you know what? That was a Bob Knight practice.

Speaker 1 Like the guys, we worked them really hard and they felt it. And

Speaker 1 we got a lot done.

Speaker 1 Can you pinpoint how many Bob Knight practices you have a year?

Speaker 16 We didn't have any this year.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 We didn't have any. Maybe you need to get one this week.

Speaker 16 We'll have a few. We'll have a few, but we had a lot of, you know, we brought some guys in that didn't practice all summer.

Speaker 16 We were shorthanded really until September was the first time we could actually scrimmage with a full group. So we just didn't have the manpower to really bang with the physicality and

Speaker 16 develop the habits that we needed to be.

Speaker 16 I said it yesterday in the post-game press conference, there's a big divide between first and second. And we learned that this year, but going forward,

Speaker 16 we do know to get there what it's going to take. And it's going to be whether we're willing to do it or not.
And then catch the breaks you need to as far as health and whatnot.

Speaker 1 Would he ever turn fouls off in practice?

Speaker 1 Would he ever be like, all right, we're going to scrimmage and there's no fouls?

Speaker 16 Yeah, and even I was talking to Damon Stoddemeyer at Georgia Tech

Speaker 16 about this this past summer.

Speaker 16 And one of the ways that he said the best teams he's been on or been a part of in the summer, they would have basically like bodies on bodies practices and then bodies off bodies where like one day a week, they would just be able to foul the heck out of each other.

Speaker 16 And you're simulating certain opponents. And then on other days, you're simulating just playing good, solid positional defense, trying not to make contact.

Speaker 16 So your guys are comfortable and familiar playing against any different style. Because there have been times when Vlad will have an off-game finishing around the paint and we'll be watching the film.

Speaker 16 And I'll say, what happened happened here? What did you see? And he'll say, the guy just moved out of my way. It almost threw me off because I was expecting contact.

Speaker 16 And so just, but yeah,

Speaker 16 if you're healthy and you got a full roster,

Speaker 16 we didn't play with near the level of physicality and toughness that Michigan State did.

Speaker 1 I would love to turn fouls off for a practice. Just be like, go for it, boys.

Speaker 7 And if you don't want your players to hate you, you can outsource that too. You can call up Dan Campbell.
Be like, hey, coach, come in, run a practice for us.

Speaker 7 Have our guys just beat the shit out of each other. And then you get to come in and be a good cop later on.

Speaker 16 I like that. That's a good idea.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.
And if you're looking for a GM,

Speaker 7 I mean, you can copy what the Bonnies did with Woge.

Speaker 1 Call up Schefter.

Speaker 7 Schefter would probably jump at the opportunity.

Speaker 1 Rich Rising. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 16 Woge is actually a good friend of mine, and we were talking throughout that process. And so I tried to make a few overtures and

Speaker 16 I was turned down. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Did you actually want Woach to work for you? Or were you like kitting around with him about that?

Speaker 16 No, I did, without a doubt. With

Speaker 16 the scope that he's able to,

Speaker 16 I mean, he's got

Speaker 16 a worldwide brand.

Speaker 16 That position,

Speaker 16 and I think he's even taken the position there to another level. I mean, I don't want to stitch on him, but he's in Belgrade recruiting right now at the ANGT tournament.

Speaker 16 I mean, he's cast a big net, but the exposure that he's provided, I think fundraising, I mean, a guy like that could provide. I mean, that's that's the biggest area the last couple of years.

Speaker 16 The biggest impact of a position like that would be someone who has ideas and connections to generate revenue.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Um, all right, so, coach, this has been awesome.
I got one last question for you.

Speaker 1 Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 In your introductory press conference at Michigan, you said you don't have hobbies. So I believe it, but also you got to have some hobbies.
So what's your number one hobby? And you can't say family.

Speaker 1 You can't say family. So outside of basketball and family, what is Dusty May's actual, like if you had to pick hobby?

Speaker 16 Because I love to travel

Speaker 16 anywhere in the world.

Speaker 1 Kind of a cop-out. That's literally just saying my hobby is vacation.
That's just,

Speaker 1 that's a cop-out. That's like Hank.
Yeah, we have a guy who does that. I mean,

Speaker 16 I enjoy playing golf for about 300 years.

Speaker 1 Okay, you're Hank. Yeah, we have a guy who's for you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 16 And I enjoy talking crazy amounts of trash when we're playing pickup basketball.

Speaker 1 Okay. You love Joe Missoula.
You're Hank, yeah. Yeah, you're Hank.
Wait, do you

Speaker 1 anything?

Speaker 16 I mean, I like to bowl. I just, I mean, I do it three times a year.
So anything to compete. I love to compete.
I mean, my wife and I, we play cards.

Speaker 16 I mean, we'll play solitaire next to each other and I'll talk trash to her even though the hands aren't even, you know, just keeping scores. So when we're, you know, cornhole.

Speaker 1 Okay. These are good hobbies.

Speaker 16 You compete. Yeah.
I'm a gamer. I don't like to, you know, in high school, I worked at a video store, so I used to be a movie buff.
So I finally have have a guy on my staff

Speaker 16 that gets maybe 5% of my jokes. I can't really tell jokes in the office anymore.
I'm trying. So I've got some hobbies.
It's just, I don't, I can go play golf once a week or twice a week.

Speaker 16 But if we have an outing, I'll go out and hit the club and make some jokes.

Speaker 1 Okay, so and then

Speaker 1 you said, do you still play pickup with the guy? Like,

Speaker 1 do you ever get out there and like try to run with the guys?

Speaker 16 No, Coach White actually started this tradition at Louisiana Tech years ago. Every day we'd finish practice and then we'd work the guys out or get some shots up or whatever the case.

Speaker 16 And then as soon as the players cleared the floor, it was coaches versus managers and GAs.

Speaker 16 11 minutes on the clock, 45 minutes on the clock. And it's great camaraderie.
It's a blast. So we did that LaTeX.
We did it all the way through Florida. We did it at FAU every day as well.

Speaker 16 We had some gym constraint times there. So sometimes it turned into tennis matches with a group of guys other than one that had never played tennis before.

Speaker 16 And so, but yeah, anything to compete.

Speaker 16 So I had a major knee surgery a couple years ago but i've i've recently started playing again i've played probably three or four times this year and um try not to go inside that three-point line on either side that's smart yeah what's the hottest you've ever gotten from three

Speaker 16 um

Speaker 16 in a pickup game oh a legendary pickup games

Speaker 1 and in a real organized game not very hot yeah that's great though that's i mean that that is good camaraderie i mean if you play we we play hoops here in our office on friday afternoons and like we basically, there's one guy who's a total douchebag who calls a bunch of fouls, and we all just hate him, and that's camaraderie.

Speaker 1 You know, absolutely. Like, yeah, that guy sucks.
Yeah.

Speaker 16 Nothing brings a group together like a douchebag calling terrible calls.

Speaker 1 Yes, exactly. Yeah.
Shout out, Nikki Smith.

Speaker 1 We can all agree on that.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and if this guy stands on the logo at the end of a pickup game, we all just beat the crap out of him.

Speaker 1 We've simulated him. Powerbomb him.
You know, cable guy on him. Yeah, absolutely.
I got that reference. There we go.
We got it.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Coach, thank you so much.
Really enjoy having you on every time and best of luck in March.

Speaker 16 Likewise, guys, big fan. Thank you.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, a good friend of the program. It is the Italian stallion.
You can see him on cbssports.com or CBS Sports HQ.

Speaker 1 He's tan as tan could be. It's Pete Prisco talking some NFL free agency.
Pete, first of all, thank you for joining us.

Speaker 1 I wanted to start before we get to free agent winners and losers.

Speaker 1 Did you feel extra vindicated? Because I think that you're the number one guy out there who always says, hey, everyone shut the fuck up. It's always about the money.

Speaker 18 Did you feel extra vindicated when Miles Garrett decided oh i actually want to stay in cleveland because they offered me so much money that i can't say no of course it's always about the mom i mean think about this for a second he does that and then you have dk metcalf who says i want to go to a warm weather and everything and what did he do he ends up in pittsburgh yeah i mean so yeah absolutely it's always about the money and like i said I go around and ask players, rank them.

Speaker 18 I think they all rank first.

Speaker 1 Money.

Speaker 18 What do you think they rank second?

Speaker 1 Hall of Fame.

Speaker 18 Of course. And then the ring is third.
And you know why? Look around. Guys sell rings all the time on eBay.
You can go find Super Bowl rings.

Speaker 18 You know what? They don't sell. They don't sell their money on eBay.

Speaker 7 You cannot sell money on eBay. That's against the terms of service.

Speaker 1 But you can't. Correct.

Speaker 1 You could try.

Speaker 7 I actually might try to list some money on eBay. See what it goes.

Speaker 1 If we sign the money? Yeah.

Speaker 7 Autographed money. Is that illegal?

Speaker 1 Yeah. $100 bill, sell it for $1,000.

Speaker 18 You could do that. Yeah,

Speaker 18 it might be illegal. That might be illegal.

Speaker 1 You can sell bathwater.

Speaker 7 I saw that. So there's actually one exception.
You're right for the most part. I think it's always about the money.

Speaker 7 Chris Godwin, though, I feel like he could have gotten more money elsewhere, but he likes Tampa. He likes Baker.
He likes that offense. He wanted to stick around.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and again,

Speaker 18 you know, it's your own personal choice. What's the difference? Some people will say, well, what's the difference between having an extra 15 million and not and being comfortable in Tampa?

Speaker 18 And I think in that scenario, he did like Baker. He likes the offense.
He likes where he is. And I'm sure the family wanted to stay there.

Speaker 18 So sometimes you got to, you know, be happy for the family and they'd make a choice rather than you make the choice. But

Speaker 18 again, $15 million is a lot of money to leave on the table when you're talking about generational wealth and you're passing it on down to your families.

Speaker 18 And that's why these guys always say, oh, it's not about the money. Maybe not right now for you.
That 15 million isn't big, but as it hands down through generation to generation, it becomes big.

Speaker 18 So it's always about the money.

Speaker 1 And it's also with the NFL, you know, a lot of these guys get one, one crack at it. You know, you get one crack at this, at your free agency.

Speaker 1 You're not going to, you're not going to be sitting there when you're, you know, if you're playing an offensive line or defensive line, you're not going to be 35 years old being like, I'm still going to cash in.

Speaker 1 So the money is always important. All right.
Winners and losers.

Speaker 1 Answer this for me, though. I said this on Monday, and I wonder because you watched the tape.

Speaker 1 I don't really understand what the Seahawks are doing because I would rather have Geno Smith than Sam Darnold. And I think Sam Darnold's fine.
I get it. Like he had a good year.

Speaker 1 He, you know, the time they spent with Kyle Shanahan in San Francisco, he gets reunited with Clint Kubiak in Seattle. I get it.

Speaker 1 But I feel like Geno Smith was a better option and I don't really understand it.

Speaker 1 Well, he's older. Yeah.

Speaker 18 We forget that Geno, I mean, you look at Sam Darnold's only 27 years old. I mean, you think of him as an old guy, but he's not.

Speaker 18 So I think they've decided to go in a younger direction because the money was getting a little out of control from what you hear, what Gino was looking for.

Speaker 18 And he's going to get that contract from the Raiders. Again, I go back to what I said before free agency.

Speaker 18 Two years ago, if you would have said Sam Darnold, 35 million, Geno Smith, 40 million, Daniel Jones, you know, is a guy that can come in and compete for a starting job.

Speaker 18 Justin Fields getting two years and 20 million, whatever. You would have said, what are you talking about?

Speaker 18 But that's how starved and and and you know these teams need quarterbacks so badly that they're going to push up these guys and they get desperate and that's what this is this is all desperation you know how many times geno smith has thrown 21 or more over 21 touchdown passes in his career once one time

Speaker 18 And then you go, you talk about Sam Darnold. Yeah, he had a good season, but what about the rest of his career? And what about when the games matter down the stretch, the last two games?

Speaker 18 He didn't do much there. So I think desperation really impacts what these teams do with the quarterback position.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I was thinking about it more from Sam Darnold's perspective. And I, again, it's probably always about the money.

Speaker 7 I'm sure Seattle offered a lot more than maybe Pittsburgh might have been offering if they were in the discussion.

Speaker 7 But the situation that he's going into in Seattle, I don't feel good about it for Sam.

Speaker 7 He's got one weapon. The offensive line isn't very good.
And I just...

Speaker 7 He's been at his best when the situation has been perfect around him, when he's had great coaching. He's had an incredible assortment of weapons on offense.

Speaker 7 And now it kind of feels like he's taking that step back and he's going to be asked to do a lot of it on his own.

Speaker 18 I agree with you. It's not a great situation.
And here's the other thing. How many, both you guys, I know you said it at the end of the year.
Everybody did. Oh, Sam Darnold became Sam Darnold again.

Speaker 18 Oh, my gosh, right? You said it. You admit it.
You said it, right?

Speaker 18 And so that's the biggest concern for me is, was what he did over the course of the regular season an aberration and he got back to the norm and now you're going to get back back to being Sam Darnold again.

Speaker 18 That's the concern I have with Sam Darnold.

Speaker 1 Right, and life is a little easier when you're throwing it to the best, if not one or two, wide receiver in the league and Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 1 All right, biggest winner, biggest winner that you've got from free agency, and I put a caveat on this because I think you agree, Pete,

Speaker 1 when you win free agency, you're basically admitting

Speaker 1 you're not a good team because if you have to fix your holes in free agency, there's a reason for that.

Speaker 1 Like, there's the teams that were in the playoffs and made deep runs last year are not the most active because they're already good teams.

Speaker 18 Correct. And you're overpaying for players.
You're playing great money for good players.

Speaker 18 And so you get in the cap problems down the road. I get it.
I get it. But some teams have to make those moves.
Your team is one of them. Had to make moves.

Speaker 18 The Bears had to make moves on the offensive line. They had to fix the middle of that offensive line, and they did.
At least they feel they did. Now, there are some concerns with those guys.

Speaker 18 And I'm always playing the flip side of it.

Speaker 18 Dolman is a wide zone scheme center and in that offense how does he fit because that's not what they do uh you know jonah jackson was essentially benched last year uh didn't play very well they know him uh and then you got joe tooney he's a great player but he's 32 years old now you're gonna have to pay him after one year so they do come with these asterisks next to him but on the surface i think they're great moves and i love the grady jarrett edition that guy look 10 years into the league he can still get up the field he's still going to be able to push the pocket and i think that helps them from that standpoint.

Speaker 18 So I think the Bears actually did a nice job. But in two years, we might be looking back on it and saying those are more stopgap because they had to do it than having guys for the long term.

Speaker 18 I agree with that.

Speaker 1 The one thing I like what the Bears did in the fact that they made a very big weakness, what seems like fixed for now. You never know how it's going to turn out.

Speaker 1 But more than anything, they can now go into the draft where they have three picks in the top, I think it's like 60 select, or no, it's even higher than that, like top like 50 selections because they have that Panther second rounder where

Speaker 1 they don't have to reach. They can conceivably go best player available with those three selections instead of saying, we need to get offensive line right now.

Speaker 1 I hope they still draft offensive line, but that's the part where I think they give themselves a little flexibility when it comes to the draft.

Speaker 18 You know what teams don't do a good enough job of doing is draft an offensive lineman in like the fourth or fifth round who might not start right away, but you're developing them for a year or two down the road when they do step in and start.

Speaker 18 And that's why offensive line play is so bad in the NFL. The development is awful.
Here's the other part of it. If you look at free agency, you know what everybody did?

Speaker 18 They looked at the Eagles and they said, look how big and physical they are. Look what they do.
And all the teams tried to mimic that.

Speaker 18 You know, look at your, both of your teams, you look at go and get Tunsel at left tackle. They want to get bigger.
They want to get stronger.

Speaker 18 And they have questions on that offensive line with Cosme being injured. What do you do? Do you move Coleman, the right guard? Do you move guys around? Where's Wiley go?

Speaker 18 And so now everybody's trying to copy exactly what the Eagles did by getting bigger and stronger physical up front.

Speaker 7 I don't know that you can say that we're all copying the Eagles, like getting big, physical, strong, fast guys to play offensive line. That's generally been a good idea in the NFL.

Speaker 18 Oh, I'm with you, but you know how many teams have shunned that idea over the years by drafting skilled players and this guy and that guy?

Speaker 18 There's only so many, I say it all the time, there's only so many big people on the planet who can play the game of football, and you have to find those guys. If you don't, you have major problems.

Speaker 18 That is true.

Speaker 7 I do like the tunnel move, though, just because of what you said. Coleman, maybe put him at right guard for a little bit.
He's played some of that. Move him over until Cosme gets back.

Speaker 7 Then he's kind of a guy that you can put at any position as you move forward. But with the Bears specifically,

Speaker 7 I like what the Bears did getting bigger, stronger, better up the middle, because it's one thing to say, like, we're committed to Caleb Williams and to making sure that Caleb Williams has the perfect environment to succeed as a quarterback, which is what they did a lot of last year.

Speaker 7 And it's another thing to actually do something about it. And I feel like you're actually doing something about it now.

Speaker 18 You know, it's funny. We think back to last year before the season, everybody said, oh, it's the greatest situation ever for a rookie quarterback.

Speaker 1 And it really wasn't.

Speaker 18 It wasn't because of the offensive line.

Speaker 18 Now, a lot of that, he holds the ball, and he's got to quit, you know, thinking he's at USC where he can turn a play that's supposed to go one, two, three, four into a big play by getting out of there after the first read and making a play.

Speaker 18 And sometimes he did. And sometimes he made unbelievable plays.
But a lot of times he took those sacks 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage and it moves him back. So he's got to be better.

Speaker 18 Now that they're better in the middle, he should be better. Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 And he does have to be better. All right.
Other winners, other winners that you saw.

Speaker 18 The guards, the guard market. I mean, my God, look at the money being spent on those guys.
You know, and again, it goes back to the Eagles theory on, you know, building on the offensive line.

Speaker 18 I mean, you've got guys coming off major, you know, Will Fries is coming off of Fries is coming off a major injury, and he just got a major contract from the Vikings.

Speaker 18 You know, Ryan Kelly got hurt last year for the Colts, got a decent contract from the Vikings because they want to get bigger. James Daniels coming off an injury, they want to get a guard Miami.

Speaker 18 He got paid. So the guards across the board got a lot of money.
And again, it goes back to following what the Eagles did.

Speaker 7 Pete, let me ask you this.

Speaker 7 How were you getting your news updates yesterday when X.com, the everything app, became X.com, the absolutely nothing app when you couldn't refresh it, you couldn't get live information?

Speaker 7 What were you doing for free agency?

Speaker 18 You know, it's weird. We were on the air, and so somebody on our air actually had

Speaker 18 their Twitter was working and mine wasn't. And so we were kind of going through that.

Speaker 18 And, you know, Jonathan Jones was on with us. And so he was getting some live updates.
But yeah, what the hell happened? I got up in the morning. I'm like, the worst possible day for that to happen.

Speaker 7 I know. It was awful.
It sucked. It was awful.
So one other team I liked. Actually, no, give me another winner.
I'll wait to tell you who I like until I hear from the expert, Pete Prisco.

Speaker 18 I thought New England, even though they had to overspend for a lot of guys, they had to fill spots and they had a good, they did a nice nice job.

Speaker 18 I mean, when you go get Bilton Williams, to me, that's big for them because he's a game disruptor. He can get, you know, put him in there.

Speaker 18 Then you add Spillane, and people say they overpaid for Spilane, but he's a good football player. Landry, they know, is a pass rusher.

Speaker 18 You get Carlton Davis, you know, the team with Christian Gonzalez gives him a nice one-two combination. So I think the Patriots actually did a nice job.

Speaker 18 Having said that, They still need a left tackle. They still need a big play wide receiver, but they have an early pick in the draft that they can address that with.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they did a nice job with beefing up that defense, especially and also like a Harold Landry played for Vrabel, like trying to get the culture.

Speaker 1 Left tackle question. The Chiefs, I mean, that one was a little bit of a head scratcher.
They got Jalen Moore, who was a backup in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 Now, obviously, he's Trent Williams' backup, so it's hard to break through. But am I wrong to say that the Niners have not had like the best offensive line?

Speaker 1 They've had a lot of injuries, and he never broke through, even like switching positions.

Speaker 1 Is that going to be the fix for Patrick Mahomes?

Speaker 18 Well, I think he played okay when he went in. He did a nice job last year when he went in and played for Trek Williams.

Speaker 18 And I think that's one of those things where you're paying for what's going up rather than what he is. So they're speculating a little bit on it.
They're going to move Sumatia to inside to left guard.

Speaker 18 And now you're bigger and stronger on that offensive line. So it makes sense.

Speaker 18 Did you want to get crazy? They were going to go get in a Ronnie Stanley thing until he resigned in Baltimore. So did you want to go spend a bunch of money on some of those other left tackles?

Speaker 18 I mean, look what Tennessee did.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 18 They paid Dan Moore a ton of money, and everybody in Pittsburgh wanted that guy benched over the years.

Speaker 18 Now, he was better last year, and he is only 26, and it allows them to move Latham to right tackle, which is where he should play. But that's a lot of money for Dan Moore.

Speaker 1 Does it also not feel like, and this could be speculating here, but doesn't it feel like it's trending towards the Titans are going to take Cam Ward now? I mean,

Speaker 1 it feels like they need something. And Cam Ward, I think Shador Sanders has, you know, some question marks.
He feels like he's dropping in the mock drafts, but Cam Ward at one,

Speaker 1 which will leave the Giants in a very tough situation, the Browns in a tough situation where they're just,

Speaker 1 I don't think they have a plan.

Speaker 18 Their plan would be to look at next year's draft when there's actually a lot of really good quarterbacks in the draft. And that's a problem.

Speaker 18 And look, I've talked to a lot of guys in the league the last couple of weeks. They're not all convinced that Cam Ward's the end-all be-all either.

Speaker 18 I mean, somebody told me, look, he's got to throw a motion from the side. we're going to draft him number one overall.
And there's a lot to like about Cam Ward.

Speaker 1 There's also a lot to not like.

Speaker 18 They turn, you know, big plays when he should stay in the pocket into bad plays. A lot of those guys do.
Shador Sanders does as well. So will the Titans take one one overall?

Speaker 18 I'm not sure they will, to be honest with you.

Speaker 18 You know, Abdul Carter is a heck of a pass rusher, and those guys are hard to find as well. And I think you might be in that situation where you say, you know what, we'll bring a veteran in.

Speaker 18 Levis, you know, guys, I take enough grief from saying it on your show about Levis that it didn't quite work out for him, but he's still there.

Speaker 18 So I'm not sure they're going to take a quarterback at one.

Speaker 1 We're Will Levis, guys. I like Will Levis.

Speaker 7 I think that the Titans and the Giants, they have to get a different quarterback, though.

Speaker 7 If you don't get a different quarterback, you're pretty much saying, like, I'm okay with being fired because I feel like this is the last chance that Dayball has, at least for the Giants.

Speaker 7 If you don't win some games this year, you're gone. You were almost gone last year.
So the one,

Speaker 7 we know a lot about how coaches like to save their jobs. And the easiest way to save your job as a head coach is to get a rookie quarterback.
Maybe you don't start him right away.

Speaker 7 Maybe you put him in after four or five weeks. He shows some promise towards the end of the season.
Then you make your case and you're like, well, you can't change coaches now.

Speaker 7 We got something good working here. We needed some consistency.
That's like keeping your job 101. So I feel like the Giants have to do something about quarterback.

Speaker 18 Well, the Giants probably are in a little different situation because they're both going to get fired if they don't win.

Speaker 18 In Tennessee, you know, the new GM isn't getting fired after one year if they don't win. So it's not necessarily Callahan's decision to make

Speaker 18 whether they bring one in. So if you're the GM of the Tennessee Titans and you look at next year's class and you say, you know what, if we're not that good this year,

Speaker 18 go back in and get the real guy we want next year, then why would you force it? But the Giants, you're probably making a good point because they're both getting fired if they don't win.

Speaker 18 So they're probably in a much different situation than what they are in Tennessee.

Speaker 7 What about the Pittsburgh Steelers? Are we under the assumption that Aaron Rodgers is going to be the quarterback in Pittsburgh next year?

Speaker 18 Well, I think it almost has to be. If it's not Pittsburgh, where is it? The Giants? I mean, and it doesn't sound like he wants to do that, so it has to be Pittsburgh.
And

Speaker 18 here's the thing about Aaron Rodgers at the end of last year. Aaron Rodgers finished with 28 touchdown passes last year.
That's more than Mahomes. It's more than Herbert.

Speaker 18 It's more than a bunch of guys. And he actually played well in the last five or six games of the season when he looked healthy.

Speaker 18 You know, he talked the year before about I'm coming back at the end of the year with my, he didn't look healthy at all last year for the first seven eight games he wasn't the same guy he wasn't moving around his motion wasn't the same and that's a big part of who he is but at the end of the year he started looking like Aaron Rodgers so I think if Pittsburgh were smart they find a way to make that work yeah I would agree also he should take George Pickens on an ayahuasca trip I feel like that could fix everything with George Pickens and maybe Metcalf with him too because you know those both both those guys are going to be you know give me the ball give me the ball I need the ball I need the ball you know for all the talk about Mike Tom Mike Tomlin's a great coach but why can't he get that guy in line I don't understand that.

Speaker 1 He kind of likes like

Speaker 7 what's that? I think he kind of likes having a crazy guy on the team.

Speaker 3 I think he gets off on it.

Speaker 18 You might be right. But these coaches, they all talk about, well, what's wrong?

Speaker 18 Like Mike McDaniel at the end of the year came to the podium and said, I keep finding them and finding them and they're still late. Well, that's on you.
Yeah. That's on the coach.
Yeah.

Speaker 18 I mean, these guys got to, you can't allow that to happen. I wouldn't, it's just like, I wouldn't allow it to happen if I were him coach.

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Speaker 1 Who's uh what team or move is a head scratcher to you where you're like I

Speaker 1 I don't know what their plan is here. I don't know what their path is.
It's just kind of making moves to make moves.

Speaker 18 Well, the Aaron Banks signing in Green Bay is a little head scratcher to me because of the way they structured the contract. But more than that, he wasn't very good last year.

Speaker 18 You know, you talked to 40, you talked about Moore. Moore was better than Banks last year, and some people think Banks was the worst offensive lineman on the line.

Speaker 18 And here he is getting a nice contract because they're going to move Elton Jenkins to center. And I don't know if that's a good move by the Packers.
I think it makes them bigger.

Speaker 18 Again, we go back to that whole theory about getting bigger and stronger, but does it make you better? That one kind of was a little bit of a head scratcher for me.

Speaker 1 Okay. And then what other, any other teams that you're like, hey,

Speaker 1 why weren't they more active? Or you thought they were going to do something and then they just weren't able to capitalize on the first day of free agency?

Speaker 18 Well, I thought, you know, Atlanta might look into the pass rusher market a little more, and they didn't. That one surprised me a little bit because

Speaker 18 I like the makeup of the offense. I think Pennex is going to be really good, but defensively, they need to get a pass rusher.

Speaker 18 And I think that surprised me a little bit because there were some guys on the market that they could indeed go get. And now they don't even have Grady Jarrett to push the pocket on the inside.

Speaker 18 So I think pass rush could ultimately be their biggest problem next year.

Speaker 7 Do you think before the end, let's just say by the draft, by the draft, do you think Kirk Cousins is still a Falcon?

Speaker 18 There's some bitterness there now.

Speaker 18 I mean, you know, you look at what happened with him at the end of the season when he he kind of threw him under the bus by saying he was injured and he played injured. He was on the report.

Speaker 18 And from what I hear, they weren't real thrilled with that. And now they can keep him for $10 million and keep him as a backup and make him unhappy.

Speaker 18 And so, yeah, I do think he's still on their roster. I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 18 If Michael Pennex is my quarterback, I don't want Kirk Cousins behind him at all. I don't think that's a good situation.
Unhappy Kirk Cousins wants to play.

Speaker 18 I don't think he's going to be great about it. And people say, oh, he'll be wonderful in the line.
No, you're not. You want to play.
You're not going to be the same guy you were when you were playing.

Speaker 18 So I think they need to let him go.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 What about the Niners? The Niners lost everybody. This feels like it's the start.
It might be the start of a rebuild, or it might just be the reality of knowing that you have to pay Brock Purdy.

Speaker 7 And so you have to start making some moves for the future.

Speaker 18 But really, when you look at it, Devo Samuel wasn't close to being what he was. I mean, he was 20 pounds heavier last year.
He looked like it. He was slow.
What is he? Is he a receiver?

Speaker 18 Is he, you know, if he gets in shape, it's a different story, but he won the same guy last year. And you look at some of the other guys they lost.
You know, losing Ward is big.

Speaker 18 I think that's important to them.

Speaker 18 The corner Ward. He didn't play as well last year.
He missed time, but he had a lot of stuff going off the field. I think that hurts them.
But 49ers still have stars. Let's not forget.

Speaker 18 You know, when Trek Williams comes back, star left tackle. You have Kittle.

Speaker 18 That's a star. You go to the defensive side of the ball.
You got Bosa. You got Fred Warner.
There's still stars on that team, and stars usually show up. They just got to stay healthy.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 They lost Yushek, though.

Speaker 18 Come on. Let's donate it down.

Speaker 7 You give to the fullback. You hate that.

Speaker 1 Oh, come on.

Speaker 1 What the hell is that?

Speaker 7 Where's your boy Russell Wilson going? Speaking of guys you hate.

Speaker 18 Hate, I don't, I think my hate, it's not hate, it's a reality. I was right about him all along, and nobody ever, what nobody ever believed me.

Speaker 18 Look, the moon, if it's take away the moon ball on the sideline, what does he do? He never throws it in the middle of the field.

Speaker 18 He might be the guy, by the way, when all the chairs are taken, he doesn't have one. And so I don't know if he's going to be a starting quarterback anymore.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 7 What about the Giants?

Speaker 18 Do you get that desperate if you're the Giants?

Speaker 1 I think you have to. I mean, who are you going to play? If you don't, let's say Cam Ward goes 1-1 to the Titans.
And you said that.

Speaker 18 What if the Giants go to get Cam Ward, though?

Speaker 1 What? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
So what if the Giants? All right. So let's say they get the Giants, get Cam Ward.
Are you going to, are you going to start him week one? Yes.

Speaker 18 Just like. And by the way, in listening and watching some interviews and talking to people about Cam Ward, he's got a little bit of the Jaden Daniels cockiness from a year ago that I love.

Speaker 18 I think, you know, there's something about that.

Speaker 18 And so you kind of listen to these quarterbacks. You kind of get a read on them, which is kind of why I'm worried a little bit about J.J.
McCarthy.

Speaker 18 You know, there's a lot of ⁇ I don't know if he's ready to take over as a starting quarterback necessarily. It'll be interesting to see if the Vikings can make that work.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, Cam Ward's story is incredible. His rise is, I mean, he's got that dog in him.

Speaker 1 All right, Pete, we got a really important thing we want to do here. This is really the reason you're on.

Speaker 1 Our producer, Max, diehard Philadelphia Eagles fan, he is very upset at you because

Speaker 1 you have ranked quarterbacks every which way in the offseason. And somehow Jalen Hurts is always ranked behind a bunch of guys who have not done anything close to what Jalen Hurts has done.

Speaker 1 So I told Max to prepare. Max is prepared.
He said he's not going to art.

Speaker 1 What was the exact quote you said?

Speaker 10 I'm not going to speak articulately.

Speaker 1 Yeah, articulately, which is, I was like, all right, we're off to a good start.

Speaker 1 So, Max, go ahead. You have the floor with Pete.
Tell him what you think.

Speaker 10 Well, this isn't the first time you've had this debate with a Philly person. I already saw that you went on 97.5 and the Philly Sports Talk Radio and did the same thing.
It's about that.

Speaker 10 that video, which I basically just want you to admit that it was clickbait because there's guys on that list who you just can't make that debate for.

Speaker 1 Explain the list, Max. The list that he did,

Speaker 10 it was a social video, and the question was, who is the quarterback that you would rather have over the next five years? And it was Jalen Hurts compared to a bunch of different quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 Some of them I don't even,

Speaker 10 I can understand that you can make an argument for. Jaden Daniels, fine.
Justin Herbert, disagree, but I don't know film, whatever.

Speaker 1 I understand there's film people that like Justin Herbert.

Speaker 10 I'm not going to argue Justin Herbert.

Speaker 7 You argue with me about Justin Herbert. I said people in the film.
Yeah, but you're not a film guy.

Speaker 1 You don't know film either. Okay, all right.
So, yeah, so you go. All right, so then where did it get a pro, where did you have a problem?

Speaker 10 CJ Stroud, Young, whatever. Trevor Lawrence, I respect you dying on a take.
It's a bad take, but you've been to the Trevor Lawrence guy since day one, so

Speaker 10 you have to go there.

Speaker 10 Over the next five years, the fact that there's two quarterbacks that you just can't make this debate for, Over the next five years, what makes you think that Dak Prescott and Baker Mayfield are both better options at quarterback than Jalen Hurts?

Speaker 10 Dak Prescott is 31 years old. Baker Mayfield is 30 years old, and they have shown nothing in the NFL for the first eight years of their career.

Speaker 10 What does Jalen Hurts need to show more of rather than those two guys? It's just a clickbait video that you had to do if you're going to include Dak Prescott and Baker Mayfield over Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 18 You know what? Didn't Nick Siriani call you out? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 18 And you know what? Nick Siriani called you out, and rightfully so, because you probably wanted him fired, just like every other Eagles fan.

Speaker 18 But more than that, every other Eagles fan probably bitched and moaned about Jalen Hurts over the course of the entire season. And then he wins the Super Bowl.

Speaker 18 And all of a sudden, he's become the greatest quarterback in the history of the National Football League. He's a good quarterback.
Would I take Baker Mayfield over him for the next five years? Yeah.

Speaker 18 And by the way, you say, what did Baker Mayfield do? When Baker Mayfield was in Cleveland, he was really good. Then he got hurt.

Speaker 10 He won a single wild card game

Speaker 10 he won one playoff game with

Speaker 10 with a very good offensive line and a very good run game which you like to diminish Jalen Hurts for who there was a number they had the number three run game and the number one offensive line

Speaker 1 that's what Baker Mayfield has done exactly

Speaker 18 max max by the way I had the same argument with an Eagles fan in my building.

Speaker 7 And you know what I went to?

Speaker 18 Because you guys always go, he won a Super Super Bowl. He outplayed Patrick Mahomes.
He won a Super Bowl. He outplayed.

Speaker 18 So winning a Super Bowl, yes, it's a team thing. It's not a quarterback thing.
We know that, right? We know that, right?

Speaker 10 All of a sudden it is now. Hold on, Pete.

Speaker 1 I'm going to jump in on Max's side. He's outplayed Patrick Mahomes in two Super Bowls.

Speaker 18 And he didn't win the one. Yeah.
Now, you know what I went to? I went to the heart of the Philly fan. He was trying to say that he's better because

Speaker 18 he wins those games. So Allen Iverson, did he ever win anything?

Speaker 10 He went farther than Dak Prescott and Baker Mainfield.

Speaker 1 Did he ever win anything, Max? Did he ever win anything? He went more than Dak Prescott and Baker Mainfield.

Speaker 18 The point being, he's one of the great players of all time, but he didn't win anything. So you can't take winning something and just saying, oh, Jalen Hurts is a great quarterback because he won.

Speaker 18 The offense is perfect. If you rank the position group on offense, go through the Eagles.

Speaker 18 Rank them one through four. Offensive line, pass catchers, running back, and quarterback.
Where does he rank?

Speaker 10 Where does he rank within that list?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a good thought experiment. Who do you have?

Speaker 7 I personally have the offensive line, number one. Yes, but

Speaker 1 he's fourth. They all complement each other.
But he's saying he's fourth. He's fourth.
He's fourth.

Speaker 18 He's the fourth in the group.

Speaker 10 But

Speaker 10 they make each other better.

Speaker 18 He's fourth. Somebody has to be fourth.
He's fourth. You would agree with that?

Speaker 1 I don't know that I would. Yeah, no, he's got you.
He's got.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you would.

Speaker 1 I rest my case. But

Speaker 10 what is that case? That the Eagles have a good football team?

Speaker 10 I know that the 97-5 guys did this to you already. You picked them to lose every game in the playoffs.
So you didn't think that they were that good?

Speaker 18 I didn't pick them to lose. I didn't pick them to lose every game.
I picked them over.

Speaker 1 Okay, you picked them over the Rams.

Speaker 10 You picked the Packers over them. You picked the Commanders over them.
You picked the Chiefs over them.

Speaker 1 So you didn't think that they were that good.

Speaker 18 Yes, I was wrong about that. I was incorrect.
And I will sit there and I will say I was incorrect at how good they were. And they're really good.
But

Speaker 10 when has we've gotten to a point in sports where playing well in big games doesn't matter?

Speaker 1 Dak Prescott does not play well in big games.

Speaker 10 Dak Prescott puts up numbers against the Giants where he scored, gets 400 yards and five touchdowns. And everyone's like, oh, look at Dak Prescott's numbers for this year.

Speaker 10 He's one of the best quarterbacks in the league because he beats the shit out of shitty teams. And then when he comes down to it, when he needs to show up, he never does.

Speaker 1 He never does.

Speaker 18 He led the NFL a touchdown pass.

Speaker 1 Again, because

Speaker 10 he put up numbers against shitty teams and absolute blowouts. That's what Dak Prescott does.
I would rather a quarterback who wins football games, carries the game.

Speaker 10 Once they're winning, they run the football, run the clock out, doesn't put up garbage time numbers. And then when it comes down to it and times that matter, he shows up.
Jalen Hurts does that.

Speaker 10 Dak Prescott does not.

Speaker 18 Dak Prescott's not the fourth if you went position group one by four on the fifth.

Speaker 1 So now the Cowboys have a bad roster? Last year we were talking about how their offensive line was the best offensive line of of all time. And you know what they did?

Speaker 1 He went through 27-0 to the Packers.

Speaker 1 You have to pick six guards. He's a weak link.

Speaker 18 I'm not going to call him a weak link of the offense, but if number four is the weak link, then he's the weak link of the offense.

Speaker 7 But Pete, you didn't answer his question.

Speaker 7 When did we as sports come to the point where winning doesn't matter?

Speaker 18 That's not what I'm saying. Winning, of course, winning is the only thing.
Well, beside money, but winning is the second most important thing.

Speaker 18 And so, yeah, it matters. And look, Jalen Hurts played great in the big moments.
Nobody's taking that away from him.

Speaker 18 He was fantastic. No, I'm not.
I never did. And by the way, quarterbacks, there's five elite quarterbacks, including Jaden Daniels, by the way.
There's five right now.

Speaker 18 Then the rest of them are kind of lumped from six to 13 or 14. They're all kind of in together.
That's the difference. That's what the league is right now.
And Jalen Hurts is in six to 15.

Speaker 18 It's just your preference.

Speaker 7 You see, here's where I agree with Max. I hate that you're making me agree with Max.
Putting Dak Prescott on there feels, that feels a little over the top.

Speaker 18 I mean, of all the ones, you could pick that one apart. But the rest of them, I would look, I would take Herbert Overham for the next five years.
I would take who else?

Speaker 18 Trevor Lawrence?

Speaker 1 Trevor Lawrence?

Speaker 18 I would take Trevor Lawrence. That's crazy.

Speaker 18 Trevor Lawrence has had four

Speaker 18 seasons, one with Urban Meyer. You have to wipe it away.
Then Doug Peterson's offense was terrible by the way.

Speaker 1 So Pete.

Speaker 1 Also, Pete, that's basically saying if you take away Trevor Lawrence's bad years, he's actually really good.

Speaker 18 Well, he was good two years ago, and he's been good when he's healthy. He's been hurt.

Speaker 1 Jalen Hurts was good two years ago. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Jalen Hurts hasn't had to learn a bunch of different offenses, though, has he, Max?

Speaker 10 No, no. He's actually had the same regime, offensive coordinator and play caller every year of his career.

Speaker 1 No, he has. No, that's not.
No, he hasn't. I can't.

Speaker 1 It's basically the same. Every single year.

Speaker 18 The bottom line is with that offensive line, it makes it so much easier.

Speaker 18 What did Saquon Barkley average? 4.2 before he was touched last year?

Speaker 10 Dak Prescott's never had a good offensive line?

Speaker 18 Trevor Lawrence has never had a good offensive line.

Speaker 10 But you're using arguments for other people and not for others.

Speaker 7 He's willing to concede the DAC point.

Speaker 1 The DAC point has been conceded.

Speaker 10 Well, the Trevor Lawrence thing I don't even care about because I respect that. He's had this Trevor Lawrence take forever and you die with.

Speaker 10 Everyone knows that if you have a strong take, you die with that.

Speaker 7 So really, now we're just arguing about Baker Mayfield because he's already given you a DAC. So now we're on Baker.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And I think he's got a better case for Baker.

Speaker 1 How? Baker's pretty good.

Speaker 7 He's played well.

Speaker 10 What has he done?

Speaker 7 He's won a lot of football games.

Speaker 1 He played well for the Browns.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he had a great offensive line.

Speaker 10 He's benched in Carolina.

Speaker 7 It's Carolina.

Speaker 18 Didn't Baker beat the Eagles?

Speaker 10 Yes, in an absolute dumpster fire of a year in Philly. Baker came in and beat the Eagles and then lost in the next round.

Speaker 1 Congrats.

Speaker 18 Well, I mean, I mean, look,

Speaker 18 look, Baker Mayfield, it's close. They're the same.
They're all, like I said, they're in the same grouping, but I would take Baker Murturs.

Speaker 1 What did Baker Mayfield do this year?

Speaker 10 He played the Commanders. He had a chance to ice the game, and he fumbled in his own territory to lose the game.
Jalen Hurts went out and won football games.

Speaker 1 Baker Mayfield lost.

Speaker 10 What we're looking at, the most recent situation, they played the same team. Baker Mayfield put up 20 points.

Speaker 10 Jalen Hurts put up 52.

Speaker 1 52 points.

Speaker 7 A lot of fumbles.

Speaker 18 And look, in a lot of those games, Jalen Hurts threw for under 200 yards, didn't he?

Speaker 10 Baker Mayfield threw for 180 yards in that game when he needed to throw the ball to win. Jalen Hurts didn't need to throw the ball to win in those games that he didn't throw for 200 yards.

Speaker 18 Right, because he's the fourth option on the offense.

Speaker 1 Because they were winning the game.

Speaker 1 This is Italian on Italian crime. I love it.
This is

Speaker 7 Supreme Debate.

Speaker 1 Yeah, two Italians just going toe-to-toe.

Speaker 18 Does he still want Nick Siriani fired? That's what I want to know.

Speaker 10 He does not. Nick Siriani, my guy, never said a bad word about it.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 18 Yes, you did because you're an Eagles fan. And by the way, I lived outside of Philly when I was a kid.
I know how

Speaker 18 my first football game was at Franklin Field. I saw the old Eagles play way back in the day.
So I know how passionate Eagle fans are. I love them.
They're great. They're nasty.
They're vile.

Speaker 18 They're disgusting. They're everything you want about an NFL fan.
What?

Speaker 1 You need to dump yourself there. Franklin Field, did you watch that game in black and white?

Speaker 18 You know, it was Joe Green's rookie year, by the way, when he was with the Steelers, and he actually got into it and threw a helmet across the field that day. I was a little kid, but I remember it.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 7 Well, I think that was a great conversation between you and Max. I respect the disagreement.
I think you guys both handled yourselves well.

Speaker 1 I got Italian. I got it.
I got Italian. It's fine.
It's fine. Don't apologize for being Italian.

Speaker 18 I mean, I got it. I can give it to.

Speaker 18 I told Sirianni when I saw him at the combine, I said, I said, for that little period at the end of the year, I was the most, one of the most hated people in Philadelphia.

Speaker 18 People were, they were coming at me nasty. And he said, now you know how I feel.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 We got another Italian in the booth, memes.

Speaker 7 So I'm just curious. He's not going to get as angry as Max because he's a pretty chill guy.
But do you like the Justin Fields signing to the New York Jets or are you racist?

Speaker 18 No.

Speaker 18 I like it.

Speaker 18 You have to do something. You have to do something.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 18 I mean, otherwise you're the Giants right now trying to panic. You know, you had to do something.

Speaker 18 I think Justin Fields has talent. I think they can, if they can fix that, build that offense around him, get him creative.
Yeah, I think you can make that work for a couple of years.

Speaker 7 Scott Turner. Yeah.
Let him work his magic. Is there one signing that you have that's like underrated? One that only you love?

Speaker 1 I'll throw that out there too after I hear yours, Pete.

Speaker 18 I think the Bills did a nice job by adding Palmer to the offense. They needed to get somebody who could go down the field.
And I think Michael Hoyt's a good football player from the Rams.

Speaker 18 I think the Bills quietly had two good signings and they kept their own and they made the quarterback happy. They've had a good offseason.

Speaker 1 All right, here's mine, and this could be a crazy take.

Speaker 1 I think Zach Wilson might be okay because Tua is going to get hurt at some point, because he always does. That offense, like, you don't have to think a lot.

Speaker 1 I don't hate that. They need to do something where you get someone behind Tua that is not just like a total journeyman that you can't tread water with.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't be shocked if we see Zach Wilson play in Miami next year, and I think he's going to play okay.

Speaker 18 Everybody likes the story of the comeback quarterback, right?

Speaker 18 Baker, everybody points to Baker. Baker did it.
Well, Baker was good early in his career. Zach Wilson's never been good.

Speaker 18 I don't see that one. All right.

Speaker 1 It's a bold take. It's a bold take.

Speaker 18 It is a bold take.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, I'm not saying he's going to light the world on fire. I'm saying, like, say Tua misses five games.
I think Zach Wilson would go three and two.

Speaker 18 I will say this. He'd be better off than what they did last year trying to replace Tua.

Speaker 18 They were not prepared for that at all. And that, again, it goes back to the fault of the coach.
Why weren't you better prepared for that to have somebody in there ready to go?

Speaker 18 So, yeah, I'll give you that. It's a better preparation this time around.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 7 I got one more name that maybe the Giants could look at if they get desperate, if they're not able to do something at quarterback position, Marcus Mariota.

Speaker 18 No.

Speaker 1 No, come on, it's just a no. Marcus Mariota.
Was he only like 31? He's young.

Speaker 18 I mean, if you're playing Marcus Mariota, you might as as well just get your resume ready because you're gone come on give me a break

Speaker 18 that isn't working if they get desperate uh the other the move that i like that's a little bit onto the radar the rams getting puna forward good player up the field attacks i think that is actually a really good signing for them the rams know what they're doing i will say this the rams need to get faster You know, everybody raved about the Devontae Adams signing.

Speaker 18 He's going to be 33 in December. And you look at their offense.

Speaker 18 They have no speed on that offense. There's There's none.
Nobody scares you. They brought 2-2 Atwell back because

Speaker 18 he's the only speed they have. But everybody plays him in a phone booth.
The running back's not fast. The wide receivers aren't fast.
They're good players. They're not fast.
They got to get fast.

Speaker 1 But I feel like you pass over the Puna Ford thing too quickly. He just has to switch locker rooms.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 18 So

Speaker 7 the Rams need a right sign.

Speaker 7 They can get after the passer already. They got some good players on the outside.

Speaker 18 The Rams are going to be good on defense because their front seven is going to be

Speaker 7 How do the Chargers let a guy like Puna get away?

Speaker 1 Just go to the other locker room, too. He's walked down the hallway.
Yeah.

Speaker 18 Well, if Aaron Rodgers signed with the Giants, wouldn't that be the same thing?

Speaker 1 Yeah, true. That's true.

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Speaker 1 Not free agency related. How about draft-related? Because you were in Indy.
Is there a guy that you have your eyes on?

Speaker 1 Maybe a quarterback because you watch the tape that uh you know everyone's talking about cam ward and shadore sanders what's what's what's pete prisco's quarterback that he's like hey check this guy out he's gonna be good

Speaker 18 i don't really love the quarterback class but a guy i would take in the third or fourth round would be mccord from syracuse oh

Speaker 18 yeah i i think he's got he stands in the pocket he takes shots he's tough physically you know not a great athlete makes all the throws i i think and he played really well at syracuse last year i think McCord has a chance to be, if you draft him in the third or fourth round, he could end up being, you know, a starter down the road.

Speaker 18 I like that.

Speaker 1 I like that. All right, Pete, you're the best.
Thank you so much. Thank you for

Speaker 18 you know what I got to do before I get out of here? Yeah.

Speaker 18 The fourth option of that on that Eagles offense is who?

Speaker 18 Offensive line, wide running back, wide receivers, and then the quarterback.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is. He got you on that.

Speaker 7 I have him slightly above Dallas Goddard, if that makes any difference to you. That's good.

Speaker 1 That's really good. He got you on that, Max.
That was tough. You were playing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah. And which you, which is impossible for you to argue against.
Yeah, you can't.

Speaker 1 The Eagles are good. Yeah, he got you.
He checkmated you. Really good.

Speaker 18 And I was an idiot who picked against them all year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, Pete. Thank you so much, man.
We love you. All right, guys.

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Speaker 1 All right, let's wrap up the show. We got guys on chicks, Hank.
Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.

Speaker 7 Sup?

Speaker 1 Sup? Sup, Hank. Sup? Hi.
Hi. Sup?

Speaker 3 My name is Natalie. What's up, Natalie?

Speaker 7 Hey, Natalie.

Speaker 1 I'm from Los Angeles. Oh, I don't think we've ever done this.
And I have a chick question. She sounds hot.
Yeah. Natalie from Los Angeles is going to say it right off the rip.

Speaker 3 Hot. Is it possible for a girl to give a guy the ick? And if so, what is it?

Speaker 3 But also, if a girl is so hot, is she just accept from all icks? I think she meant exempt. Exempt.

Speaker 3 Thanks, guys. Big yak over here.
Would love to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 7 I think if she listens to part of my take, and that's a major sub.

Speaker 7 If she listens to a competing pod, if she listens to new heights, ick.

Speaker 3 What is the ick? She could like, what was it?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 3 The guy pulls up wearing some of these?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 she's gonna get it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, she's gonna get it. Yeah, if a chick pulls up listening to part of my take on a cracked iPhone screen, she's gonna get it.

Speaker 1 She's gonna get it.

Speaker 1 A white iPhone cracked. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 My opposite ick is when her iPhone screen is just demolished.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 What would be the girls? Yeah, what would be some icks? I'll say it. There's a lot.

Speaker 3 I think guys get the, I mean, the ick. I don't like the word ick.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think it's just like, it's, you know, the ick existed before the name existed, but it's just like red flags, I guess.

Speaker 1 I'll say it.

Speaker 7 And listen, this is not.

Speaker 1 Woman's brains is important. Not the smartest.

Speaker 1 That is a big ick.

Speaker 3 If they have them?

Speaker 1 If they don't, if they're not the smartest. I think that goes both ways.
I think girls think the same way if a guy's really dumb. Definitely.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 I would agree with that.

Speaker 1 Big ick if your girlfriend or wife doesn't make your lunch every morning before you go to your construction site

Speaker 7 with the special stuff.

Speaker 1 Someone said that that was eerily similar to a King of Queens episode.

Speaker 1 Hand up, didn't really watch King of Queens. So if we got got, good job.
You can get us with King of Queens potlines all day.

Speaker 1 He wasn't a construction worker, though. He was a postal worker, wasn't he?

Speaker 7 He worked for FedEx, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, the other one. UPS?

Speaker 7 UPS.

Speaker 1 UPS, yeah. You can probably get us on the film.

Speaker 3 King of Queens was a big time, like, came on after Seinfeld and would watch some of an episode occasionally.

Speaker 1 I think it was different, wasn't that different networks?

Speaker 7 Yeah, and also, the King of Queens is way later than Seinfeld. Yeah, but like,

Speaker 1 it was on after

Speaker 1 Seinfeld.

Speaker 10 I feel he was big on the CW network. Yeah.
And And it would be like two and a half men, King of Queens, and maybe Seinfeld.

Speaker 1 King of Queens feels like a lot of, I think people liked it, but I think a lot of its ratings was, you know, on in like a barber shop on in the middle of the day, like at 3 o'clock, the CW's on, on it, like a bodega.

Speaker 3 That's what, yeah, it was either on right before or right after a show. I would actually watch.
Was it Everybody Loves Raymond? No.

Speaker 3 I think that's closer, though. But yeah, you think it's Everybody Loves Raymond.

Speaker 1 I would say our weak point in this podcast, podcast, if you want to get us, is any

Speaker 1 very generic sitcom that was very popular, not named Seinfeld of the Office.

Speaker 7 I think you could get us. You could absolutely nail us on Friends Plotlines.

Speaker 1 Big Bang Theory could get us. You could get us on How I Met Your Mother.
Yep, exactly.

Speaker 10 Oh, I got How I Met Your Mother. Oh, you do?

Speaker 1 Yep. Okay.

Speaker 10 I've seen every episode like three times.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 that would be the part of our armor that is very weak.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Natalie, you're hot.

Speaker 3 My boyfriend is a die-hard Browns fan, and we talk about our future home all the time. He always says he wants a Browns kitchen, a Brown and Arch striped fridge being one of the ideas.
Please help.

Speaker 3 I tell him no, obviously, but this is a real fight in the future. Question mark.
Love you guys. Go Browns, go Calves.
Nobody's talking about the Calves. No one's talking about the Calves.

Speaker 1 No one's talking about Calves.

Speaker 7 I think having a Browns-themed kitchen is the funniest possible room to have. Yeah.
Like, you're never making anything healthy in that Brown's kitchen.

Speaker 1 Brown's theme kitchen, maybe also a Brown's theme, like

Speaker 1 the dining room that you only use for Thanksgiving and Christmas. That would also be very funny.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that'd be good too.

Speaker 1 Like your fine dining room, that one room in your house that you're just like, yeah, we sit in this room three times a year.

Speaker 7 But you know what I'm saying? Like if your kitchen's Brown's theme, you always have some sort of like greasy roast that's cooking in the oven. Never any, you always have gravy on the stove.

Speaker 1 There's always a bowl of dog food, even though you don't have a dog. Yeah, just in case.

Speaker 1 Settle. This is an easy one, though.
Say no Brown's kitchen. Every toilet's Brown.
Brown toilets should be more popular.

Speaker 1 You hide the stains. Easy.

Speaker 1 You should be like, listen, honey, we'll do every toilet in this house Brown's.

Speaker 7 I think Brown's themed laundry room could play, too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Garage. Garage seems like a Browns zone.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That feels like a natural setting for the Browns. Okay.

Speaker 1 Next. Cavs, no Cavs.
Cavs? Oh, you want to talk about the Cavs? Let's respect the calves. And she said, no Calves.
Calves are really fucking good.

Speaker 3 She said, go Browns, nobody. You don't want the Calves.

Speaker 1 You don't respect how good.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to.

Speaker 1 You don't respect how good the Cavs are. No, I do.

Speaker 7 No, you do. You overlooked them the other day.
You're like, they never won a championship. We won a championship.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no. No, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
No, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 No, no, misrepresentation of what I said.

Speaker 3 They haven't won a championship. You have to respect the champions.
Like, the Cavs are the number one seed. They're going to be the number one seed.

Speaker 1 they've had the best regular season, they've won 14 in a row,

Speaker 3 yeah.

Speaker 7 So, but again, your respect for the calves, you're saying I respect the calves, no, you don't because anytime we talk about the challenge,

Speaker 1 we will win.

Speaker 7 You just say we're we're the NBA champions, we are

Speaker 1 a lot of the calves.

Speaker 3 No, that's a fact.

Speaker 7 So, give me some analysis of the calves.

Speaker 3 Cavs are a good team,

Speaker 3 hot shooting team,

Speaker 3 but I am not scared of them in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's not out of the question the Cavs could get to 70 wins the way they're playing. They're 54 and 10.
If they finish the season 16 and 2, that's 70 wins.

Speaker 3 Diabolical big cat move, too, which is a super nice guy, but

Speaker 3 having the Cavs come in.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I wasn't here that night. I know.
Max Struis wanted to stop by.

Speaker 1 He's going to come on the show this summer when he's back, but the schedule didn't work out. They landed at like 6 p.m.
He had a dinner at like 8. He wanted to come by.

Speaker 1 I had to go home to do dinner with my kids. And I was like, hey, Hank, can you show Max Struce around? He's a great guy.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, no, they were good guys. It made me like them, and I don't, I don't want them.

Speaker 1 You don't want to like them, yeah.

Speaker 7 And who else was there?

Speaker 3 Sam Merrill, and then one of their equipment managers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We will get them on, though.

Speaker 1 Whatever.

Speaker 7 But the thing is, I don't think I've heard you say any of their players by name, except for Max Strews, which you were just kind of forced into saying.

Speaker 1 Donovan Mitchell, not afraid.

Speaker 7 You have not said Donovan Mitchell, I think, ever, on the history of Part of My Take. I don't think you've said those words.

Speaker 3 Donovan Mitchell. Okay, there it is.

Speaker 1 We just broke ground there.

Speaker 3 If they can make it to the Eastern Commons Finals, it'll be exciting.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 Also, get too hot too early.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 7 That's mean. That's mean, Hank.

Speaker 3 No, I'm just saying, like, it's going to be tough to keep this streak up.

Speaker 7 You gave a little look at Big Cat when you said too hot too early. Nope.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he did. He did.

Speaker 7 There was a look. It's fine.
Was the camera on Max or on Hank when he said that?

Speaker 1 It's fine. We'll break the film.
Troll Hank has been unleashed.

Speaker 7 We'll break the film down.

Speaker 1 Fader Hank has been unleashed.

Speaker 3 Not trolling if you just are honest.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, I told you I had no problem with it.
We're going to be a troll. Well, you are a troll.
Well, that was a troll move. You are unleashed.

Speaker 7 That's not you being honest. That was you throwing a little jab in under the radar.
And you are

Speaker 7 my radar is perfect. So are you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know. I know.
We're all trolls. That's why we get along.

Speaker 1 Just living under a bridge together.

Speaker 7 You need to accept the fact that you're a troll.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I do.

Speaker 3 And I'm upfront and honest about it.

Speaker 1 Are you? Fading. Yeah, I've been saying I'm fading you once you lose for two weeks.
Yeah, you have. I knew it was coming.

Speaker 3 Hey, boys, I have a really great boyfriend, top-tier kind of guy, and I have very few notes/slash complaints. However, there's one thing.

Speaker 3 He's addicted to the cry-laughing emoji.

Speaker 1 It's non-stop.

Speaker 3 Every other text, there it is, just taunting me. I'm not that funny, at least not a cry-face emoji.
Every other text, funny. Am I just being a happiness hater? Shout out to average height kings.

Speaker 7 Shout out to average height kings.

Speaker 7 all right i i think there's like a scale in terms of your response to something funny that applies to how funny you actually think that it is so if it's if it's ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha that means you really think it's funny i think that's funnier than crying

Speaker 1 two haz is not funny no two haws three haz is very funny ha ha period means kill yourself yeah and ha means dude that's fuck you Yeah, ha.

Speaker 3 But crying, laughing emoji is better than ha ha.

Speaker 1 Yes. But crying, laughing emoji, you can't use, you got to know your text relationships too.

Speaker 1 Like, if the other person's using it, you can use it, but you can't be the only one using the crying laughing emoji. What I would say to him is, why not just have him, my move is,

Speaker 1 you know how you add the like thumbs up or the heart? I don't do the ha-a

Speaker 1 adding thing. I do the exclamation point.
Same. That's good.
That's a good one. Where someone says something funny or interesting, just do the exclamation point.

Speaker 7 But if you do the crying, laughing emoji every time, that feels dismissive. It feels like you're just trying to move on.

Speaker 1 Unless you do like seven of them, then that's, then you're literally crying, laughing, and almost dead. And what about LOL?

Speaker 1 I don't like LOL.

Speaker 7 LOL is pretty much like, go fuck yourself. No, LOL.

Speaker 1 I use LOL too.

Speaker 10 It's more of like...

Speaker 3 LOL than next word, next sentence.

Speaker 1 LOL is more like breaking it, breaking it up in like, hey, I'm joking here.

Speaker 10 Oh, it's, or like, to break the tension of like,

Speaker 1 oh, LOL, I'm late.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, or something, I don't know, something like that.

Speaker 3 You can say something outlandish. It's like, ha ha, just like, LOL.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, it could have been used like LOL after like one in 15 props.

Speaker 7 What about LMAO?

Speaker 3 I use LMAO. I'm a bad texter, though.
I'm probably the wrong person to be answering this question.

Speaker 1 You're the worst texter. I don't think you're a bad texter.

Speaker 1 Why is take a bad texter?

Speaker 10 Ask any person who's ever worked on anything.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Why? What do you do?

Speaker 3 I'm a short texter, and people say that. Which is dramatic.
It's definitely a dramatic thing, but it's tough.

Speaker 3 You know, I think girls are over-texters and want more texting, and people think that I'm like upset or being an asshole because I just answer a question.

Speaker 1 Ah, like, okay. That's the Day Portnoy school.

Speaker 7 You're too honest.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you've been to the Day Portnoy school.

Speaker 3 It's just like it's texting to me because it means to an end. And it's like, you have a question, here's an answer.
And then they're like, why are you mad? It's like, I'm not.

Speaker 1 You asked the yes. But you are kind of mad.

Speaker 3 And I said yes.

Speaker 1 You are kind of mad. No, I'm not.
When you have to answer any question, you are a little mad. That is a fact.

Speaker 1 If I ask you any question, you're just a little bit mad. No.
Yeah,

Speaker 7 I appreciate somebody who texts like Hank. Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 PFT is mad. But do you agree with PFT? Like, when you ask Hank a question, he is a little mad at all times.

Speaker 7 He's usually mad that you're asking for his time.

Speaker 1 I have a resting anger face.

Speaker 3 It's something I'm working on.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to find the light in life, but

Speaker 1 it's an issue. It's a little bit mad.
It's been an issue for a few years, my texting. There's an underlying 5% mad at any question.
No. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're a great texter.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Me and PFT are probably on one side of the boat, and you're on the other.

Speaker 7 Texting to me is a means to an answer. Yeah, it's a transaction.
It's like, okay, I have a question. I got my answer.
Good interaction.

Speaker 1 I just have to, when we're pushing the boat, when we're pushing this show and we're trying to plan,

Speaker 7 I have to push us with some texting.

Speaker 3 No, I know. And I feel like you text, like, I have, I text you probably the most, and there's, I'm like, I feel like BitKat's also texting like four or five other people.

Speaker 3 This, like, you're, you're, you're a text.

Speaker 3 Communicator.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Over-communicator.

Speaker 3 Do you feel like uh

Speaker 1 when you send the exclamation point or haha like are you hoping that that ends the conversation yeah oh yeah that's the best way to end it yeah yeah just exclamation point and then just hoping yeah it's hope comes through yeah because you don't want to keep it going like you you get in those situations where you keep going back and forth you're like this conversation has ended like six texts ago you know who i have a lot of respect for is the lma oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh guys on twitter yeah Because they're they're just fucking with you.

Speaker 7 Yeah. They're like, that's like two middle fingers in your face.

Speaker 7 If you put the LMAO on their conversation over, you lost.

Speaker 1 They're clowning on you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Getting a quote treat LMAO feels bad. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's do numbers. Let's do numbers.
The boys are coming in. I'm going to go with three.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 7 That was a tie. That was such a tie.
That was a clean tie.

Speaker 1 That was an impossibly tie. That was a tie tie.
Memes. What do we want to do? Rock, paper, suitter, shoot?

Speaker 1 I don't know. We can rock, paper, scissors, shoot for it.
Do you want it?

Speaker 1 Do you want three memes? I want it. I also want three.
I want it. All right.

Speaker 1 Rock, paper, scissors, shoot.

Speaker 1 All right. One time.
Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot.
Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Ah, you got me.
You should have stuck with rock. Three.
All right.

Speaker 19 Also, Justin Fields is not three.

Speaker 8 In the graphic, he was.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was.

Speaker 7 That sounds racist.

Speaker 1 Memes, what would you have switched to?

Speaker 9 Whatever Puna Ford's number was.

Speaker 1 What's Puna Ford's number?

Speaker 1 What number it was?

Speaker 7 Look it up, man. Does anybody, anyone here a big Puna Ford fan?

Speaker 10 I'm trying to find Justin Fields wearing number three.

Speaker 1 Puna Ford's 95.

Speaker 1 95. All right, I'll go 95.

Speaker 3 We got to avoid some.

Speaker 1 I'm concerned.

Speaker 3 About what? That

Speaker 3 it's exactly five years ago.

Speaker 3 Yeah. That's concerning.
I didn't realize it was to the day. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Big cat was hot in March.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. We just got to hide hide in a bunker for two days.

Speaker 1 I'd probably just kill myself if they did that again to us.

Speaker 19 I will go with 99 Pug

Speaker 3 54.

Speaker 3 Imagine if we can just

Speaker 7 37.

Speaker 3 17.

Speaker 1 What was yours, Max?

Speaker 2 One, Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 1 Shouldn't it be four for being the fourth best? Nope.

Speaker 1 58.

Speaker 1 Two another eight. Yeah, let's do one more.
Let's do three. Let's do one more.
Come on.

Speaker 1 95. 95.

Speaker 1 I'll go.

Speaker 1 Means you're never going to get it. Eight.
One day.

Speaker 3 Go 17.

Speaker 1 How mad will you be if it's three right here? Very mad.

Speaker 3 I'd be upset. We need it.

Speaker 1 Everyone else sticking with their numbers. Say it again, real quick.
17.

Speaker 10 One.

Speaker 7 I bet Puna would be a good guess on part of my take.

Speaker 19 99. Po

Speaker 19 32.

Speaker 19 29

Speaker 1 75

Speaker 7 Love you guys.