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I love guys who like football. And guys who like football, they like me back.
And I like them back.

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Beware the Ides of March. I apologize.
I was going to say another bummer for the season from hell from the Mavs, but I got distracted. You're right.
15th. 15th.
March 4th was yesterday, and that's the only day of the year that's a complete sentence. Yeah.
Also, March the 4th be with you. Yes.
Is what the Star Wars people say. Yes, it is.
That's a fact. No, but yeah, season from hell for the Mavs.
So worse. Sucks for Kyrie.
I feel bad for him. I feel bad for Mavs fans.
This has just been so shitty for you guys. Yeah.
And now Anthony Davis, according to Shams, he and his representatives are huddling up right now. Oh, no.
So they're all going to figure out whether or not Anthony Davis is going to return this year. You basically went from the window opening, incredible run to the finals last year.
Luka, a superstar. Your young bigs, you know, going to be big pieces.
Kyrie, his whole career, like, you know, not rebirth, but he started to have fun playing playing basketball again to now we're sitting here at the Ides of March and and Kyrie is out for the year with the torn ACL Luke is on the Lakers and Anthony Davis is huddling up yeah they're huddling to determine whether or not they're I'll tell you what's going to happen if they decide for him to come back he's going to have like a hamstring strain yeah game one yeah it's going to be planned out like the bay of pigs and then it's going to be over just as fast yeah it's not not a good situation for the mavericks to be in but i feel bad for him just because uh this this is the worst season dallas fans have had to deal with since the 2024 cowboys since this season yeah and then the season before last and then the season before last but Duke's good Duke is good Tony Romo yeah that's good for them uh I I have uh I think it was put perfectly by uh noted NBA insider uh he said it is bad that they don't have Luka anymore who said that uh that was Pug Pug nailed it Pug nailed it if you absolutely nailed it if you had Luka you'd still, if you had Luka, you'd still be like, ah, this sucks. But, yeah, maybe he'll be back next year.
Probably not, but even so, we got Luka. Yeah, we got Luka.
We'll make a run in the playoffs. We probably won't win it all, but we'll at least have some fun moments.
But it is bad that they don't have Luka anymore. That was the one thing that Dallas fans had for a long time, even when the Cowboys weren't playing well, dak would get hurt to be like well luca season coming up luca luca holds it all together now it's like yeah kairi he's got another another season left on his contract i think right i imagine he'll opt into that after this injury i have no idea how nba contracts work but i think he has one more year left yeah uh so he'll be back next year hopefully maybe it just looked bad, but respect to Kyrie for stepping up to the foul line while he was crying and then hitting the foul shot.
Yes. That was kind of cool.
It's kind of like when Kobe did it with his Achilles. Yeah, that's the best thing that's happened to the Mavericks this year was Kyrie being able to hit those clutch free throws.
I don't know. If you're a Mavs fan, I don't know what you just pretend this year didn't happen.
Well, they also, if you're a season ticket holder, they got the notification that prices are going to be up 8% next year. That was to help pay for Anthony Davis' medical bills.
Yes. Their insurance went up.
Yeah. Brutal.
I feel bad for Mavs fans. What do you think are the worst seasons? This has got to be one of the worst seasons, right? This has to be, I mean, given all the context.
Winter. Given all the context, though, I think this has to be one of the worst seasons of all time.
And I know that people are like, well, that's reactionary. But I'm just saying the context of finals run last year, like, future seems super bright.
And then to have everything fall apart. And not just everything.
Like, you can deal with if luca was injured but still on the mavs you're like all right season from hell we'll be back next year everything fell apart and your own team sabotage your bright future because they traded away a top three guy yeah it's not good i would say this the white socks had a season from hell but that was just that was different that was almost by design and that also like gets to comical level where it's not good. I would say this, the White Sox had a season from hell, but that was just, that was different.
That was almost by design. And that also like gets to comical level where it's like, holy shit, how many games are they going to lose? Yeah.
But yeah, this is really bad. Browns 2024, Browns 2016.
Browns 2024, what was, that was Deshaun, that was this year. Yeah, but see.
You had Jameis, you had some bright spots in there. Yeah, I think with sports, it's always like when a team is bad, it's like, all right, that was a bad season, but it's the expectations and then where it ends up.
Yeah. That's the combo.
That's the deadly combo that the Mavs fans are dealing with right now. Yeah.
It's bad. It's brutal.
We also had, I'm going to assume, we're taping this in the afternoon, I'm going to assume LeBron has hit his 50,000th point. Congrats.
50,000 points. Congrats, LeBron.
He was one shy the other night. I think everyone probably bet that he was going to score 18 points.
That didn't work out. I thought he was going to have an empty netter at the end.
Yeah, 50,000 is pretty insane. Yeah, it is.
I know he's been in the center of all the who's the face of the league controversy, which isn't really controversy, but it is pretty nuts. We're not the number one LeBron podcast, but I also know how incredible he's been in two decades plus of being at the top of the NBA.
It's insane when you think about it. I'm pretty clear on LeBron.
He can be very frustrating and funny sometimes. Very funny.
He can be unintentionally hilarious. He's one of, if not the best basketball player of all time.
He's done a great job in terms of being in the public eye since he was, what, 16 years old? Yes. And not having any major scandals, not having anything like derail his career.
That's hard to do. I don't know how he's done it, but he's done done a great job of it i think you could actually make the case that lebron james he is top two basketball player of all time yep he might be a better dad than basketball player could be the fact that he got his son drafted yeah that's facts he might actually be one of the best dads it's like him and god yeah i guess depending on which testament god you're looking at probably it is funny because the the drafted thing we didn't talk about that on sunday when we were talking about the face of the league stuff it is funny to throw that in there that lebron like was like yeah brownie's better than like a lot of guys in the nba right now and doing that and then being like media don't be mean to me yeah but he deserves credit 50 000 points is insane hank would you like to give him credit that's an insane amount of points yeah credit where credit steroids too.
Steroids. Oh, wow.
50,000 points is insane. Hank, would you like to give him credit? That's an insane amount of points.

Yeah, credit where credit's due.

Steroids.

Oh, wow.

Oh, wow.

That was mean.

That was ugly.

Hank, you might get sued.

That was ugly.

That wasn't related.

We're just...

Oh, you're just...

Credit where credit's due, period.

Steroids are illegal.

Yeah, don't do them.

Yeah, yeah.

Gotcha.

Okay, that's a good sentence.

We were doing one minute of pro-LeBron talk. And I gave him credit where it was good.
Credit where credit's due. 50,000 points.
Remember for the punishment you were going to try to get his point total? Yeah. That would have been crazy.
Do you guys think you've ever done 50,000 of anything in your life? Bets? You think you've made 50,000 bets? I don't sunflower seeds you think yeah all those years playing baseball for you yeah let me think about how many sunflower seeds do you think are in are in a bag max that's actually a genius answer yep yeah how many are in a bag uh 300 piss piss for sure i think i might have 50,000 might have done 50,000 bets i don't know it's probably in like the the multiple thousands a year yeah i don't i just don't know if i've done anything 50,000 times piss bets eat no i was gonna say eat ice cream probably not that's a lot of ice cream. 50,000 meals? 50,000 meals sounds right.
So 900 to 1,000, let's say 1,000 meals a year? Yeah. Nope.
More? Less. 1,000, yes.
So that's 40,000 meals. Golf shots? No.
Yes. No.
Think about how many you take just randomly on the simulator i've only been playing for five years if i play my whole life then yeah but like what 110 around what about meatballs max meatballs nah nah they're too big so yeah you have something small yeah i've probably played 50,000 notes the guitar. I've taken 50,000 steps.
Yeah, 50,000 steps. There you go.
That's huge. I've not thought about Michael Sam 50,000 times.
That's also huge. I'm probably leading all-time record for that.
Yeah. 50,000 minutes podcasted.
Yes. We have to have hit that.
Yeah, but minutes is different. It's like minutes spent doing something as opposed to doing the actual task.
We couldn't say 50,000 pods. Also, is our 500th show coming up soon? Yeah.
I think so. I think it's this one.
I think it might be this one. Huge, huge.
All right. So, and then the NFL.
Saquon got a new contract. Zoom worked.
Yeah. Are running backs overvalued in the NFL now? They might be.
I don't think I'd ever pay a running back. I don't know.
What what was the deals of his term uh the terms of his deal it was two years 41 million I believe okay that's pretty good it put it over 20 million no running back has ever been paid that much I think there's what at least a dozen maybe two dozen receivers who make that much money good for him but good for him happy for Saquon he deserves it it goes back to like him and derrick henry they are worth that much money yeah to be a piece on a good team yes agreed but they are not worth that much money like if you're a bad team paying them that much doesn't make sense yes but it is better to pay him that much money than it is to pay a quarterback who's not very good a lot of money correct a daniel jones if you would hypothetically uh max what do you think about that also you cut darius slay and james bradbury getting rid of all your all your secondary bradbury i don't think was active for a single game this year okay super bowl champion super bowl champion gets a ring and he was a good vet in the locker room apparently he did all the right things he was never upset about it. So shout out James Bradbury.

But Saquon deserved it.

I also think how he's doing this.

There's got to be some cap reasoning.

He's up to something?

Yeah.

How he's structuring?

I think that had to have been part of it. How he just moves money back all the time.

So I think somehow he probably restructured it that he's getting more money.

Miles Garrett?

With the extension.

Miles Garrett.

I don't know. back all the time.
So I think somehow he probably restructured it that he's getting more money with the extension.

Miles Garrett.

This is bad podcasting.

I stopped my sentence midway just so I could do the fingers.

Max, we were getting into a little debate over the weekend and on Monday's show

about how I was maybe overreacting to the commanders getting Miles Garrett,

but now it's more even between the Eagles and the commanders. Now, actually, the Browns have retaken the lead on that.
The Browns had always had the lead. I always knew.
I was saying other than the Browns. Okay, other than the Browns.
Yeah. He's probably just going to stay with the Browns.
The Browns are probably going to be like, Myles Garrett's the best player in the league. We're not giving him up.
Yeah. But no, I do.
Listen, Howie is always cooking something. He's got something cooking.
It must be fun to be an Eagles fan because you get to see any possible free agent or any possible trainer and be like, that seems like a Howie deal. Yeah.
Howie's working the phones. The only two tags we ended up getting because the deadline is passed is T.
Higgins and Trey Smith. And so T.
Higgins, the Bengals released it. They tagged him and they were working on a new long-term deal.
I actually think the Bengals might be able to pay everyone. Do you think so? I don't know.
I would. Sure.
Figure it out. You could just pay everyone.
If he doesn't get a new deal and he goes into the second year in a row on the franchise tag, which is still a lot of money. But it's still bullshit.
It's not guaranteed. There's nothing in the future um i guess this one year is guaranteed but there's nothing past that what's the over under for amount of weeks that he plays before he has an injury that they can't figure out how severe it is can it be negative would you put it at half a week you think well i'm saying yeah could it be can be training camp can it be yeah does he play week one or does he have a calf injury? The franchise tag is kind of bullshit for a guy like T.
Higgins where it's like, dude, just, I don't know, figure it out. I know it's a lot of money.
What's it going to end up being? Probably, I have no idea. In the 20s? Yeah, I would say maybe even in the 30s.
No, probably not the 30s. Wide receiver franchise tag.
Let's figure this out. Franchise tag price.
Either way, he wants his guaranteed money. He deserves it.
I agree. $22,000 pretty much.
That was for last year. Million.
$22 million. It'll be interesting though because if they sign Jamar Chase to a new deal, that would also...
Impact. That's like giving him a raise.
Yeah. Yeah.
Be like, Hey, don't worry.

We'll get you on the backend.

That's cool.

I wonder if Jamar Chase thought about that when he was negotiating.

Like I need,

I need more money in the first year because that makes T's franchise tag

worth more.

I'm sure T Higgins would be totally thrilled with that explanation.

Yeah.

Like,

Hey,

we're paying Jamar Chase this much money,

but guess what?

It actually means that you get another half a million dollars.

Yeah.

You'd be like,

great.

Fuck you.

There's one other thing that Howie did, Max max i don't know if you saw that quote you see his quote about winning superbowls i i did not see it's pretty good he said the first one is almost like having sex for the first time you're just so happy you had sex it's not even the quality of it the second time it's like i can almost have fun and enjoy this. I like that.
I need him to have more sex, though. He's only had sex.
I want him to like. You're on the bonk list.
Is that a bonk? Yeah, you want Howie Roast into fun. I want Howie Roast into fun.
Yeah, you want him into fun. But it's a metaphor.
No, that's supporting the boys. Yeah.
You want your boys to get laid. Correct.
Imagine losing your virginity to Nick Foles. That would hurt.
That would be bad. That would be bad.
That would be bad. He probably didn't even enjoy that Super Bowl at all.
That would hurt a lot. Probably couldn't walk for a week afterwards.
That would not be good. But yeah, Howie's up to something.
He's up to something. So are we officially in the non-tampering zone of free agency? Yeah, fuck it.
Yeah. Let's just say fuck it.
Fuck it. Let's start tampering.
Tamper away. Also, Devontae Adams got released.
Yes. So he will probably co-attend whatever job interview that Aaron Rodgers goes on, like in Step Brothers.
Yeah. That's probably ski vacation.
Yeah, that's exactly what they're going to do. You think he'd want to play in Las Vegas? I can't see him in a Raiders uniform.
We're six days away from... Six days from the non-tampering? Start tampering.
NFL's legal tampering period, a.k.a. free agency, is one week away.
You know what? I hereby declare legal tampering open. I will look the other way if anyone wants to tamper right now.
Yeah. Do you think A.J.
Brown's going to stay at Philadelphia Eagle? Oh, is that a question? This is going off of the Patriots reached out to see if A.J. Brown was available.
Well, good thing we released the tampering period. Yeah.
Did they reach out to Howie or did they reach out to A.J.? I don't know. I saw an aggregator tweet about this.
Seems like a big nothing. Yeah.
Did you get aggregated, Hank? No, the Patriots want him. Every team should want A.J.
Brown. He's really good.
They don't have his former coach as their new head coach. Oh, memes just threw and traded him away.
That wasn't him. He was the coach then.
There's video of him in the war room. Hank's done his research.
Hank's come with the research. You didn't expect that, memes.
He was traded away under Mike Vrabel's tenure. He didn't expect.
Ah, that's not really. He's not the one that decided to trade him.
Do you think that Mike Vrabel wanted to trade A.J. Brown? Yeah, probably.
He probably fucking hates him. Oh.
I don't think that's what happened. So then why would they call the Eagles to see if he's available? You got aggregated.

Oh. Aggregated assault.

You're saying the Patriots didn't call the Eagles?

No. That's a heavy accusation

to lay on someone else to tell them they got aggregated?

You got aggregated. That's fucked up.
Memes would

never get aggregated. Never.
Ever.

Memes, where's Devontae Adams gonna go

and are you sad? I'm gonna say San

Francisco. What was your favorite Devontae Adams

highlight? Was it when he popped out behind Aaron Rodgers on the McAfee show?

That was cool.

I liked his tackle that he made against the Steelers.

Oh, that's good.

He had one great release, too.

Do you see that release?

The Texans?

I think it was against the Texans.

He did a little sidestep at the line of scrimmage,

broke a guy's ankles.

Yeah, that was cool. I think it was like an 11-yard gain.
No, I'm thinking of the touchdown. So overall, Devontae Adams as a Jet graded.
Going to go C-. Oh, okay.
That's not bad. That's very generous.
Was he the – he wasn't the most disappointing missing piece. No, he was electric.
He was incredible. He gave that speech that fired up the team that Aaron Rodgers said was life-changing.
Yeah, the life-changing speech changed everyone's life. That's exactly right.
Okay, do we have anything else going on in the world of sports? Sam Darnold will not be franchise tagged. Yes.
Situation's fluid. It's very fluid.

I guess he could go back to Minnesota at this

point. Yeah.
Or he could be a giant.

He could be a giant.

That would be very funny. Yeah, I just

love whenever a situation is fluid.

I think he's going to be a Raider.

You think so? I think he's going to be a Raider.

I don't know where that puts... I think Aaron Rodgers is going to be a

giant.

Devontae Adams is going to be a giant as well.

I think I would like to see Sam back in New York.

Back.

Back in the New York groove.

I'm back.

Back in the New York groove.

The New York groove.

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they're big bottles with the big wide mouth, and i like those more than any other bottle out there uh hank my hot seat is not really a hot seat it's more of a hat tip around the horn espn announced today that they will host their final episode friday may 23rd oh okay that made me made me a little sad yeah Ides of May PTI around the horn every single day after school it's just sad times are changing yeah it is sad Woody Page must have run out of shit to put on his blackboard that's the only excuse I can think why are they why are they getting rid of it is there a reason ratings or is it just run this course nothing don't know no follow-up i think they announced that they were going to get rid of it a while ago but now they have a date got it that they put on it so i mean you can't get rid of a sports program like that during football season no but late may yeah yeah just let it go out yeah people won't they're not gonna realize it's gone until august and then they'll be like wait i need to hear people scream at each other yeah around the horn pti back in like the early 2000s was that was peak pti is still good oh pti is still great i'm just saying like that was when it was because pti was very new and refreshing yeah when it started uh and those guys are still awesome together but i'm just saying like that stretch where it was just, especially because it was before smartphones, so your sports news came from those two. Yeah.
Yeah. And I think that's what made the early Round the Horn so great too was the panelists that they'd have on, they had those relationships and they would get pissed off at each other.
They'd yell at each other. Right.
And it was great. And they figured out-

Mariotti?

They figured out-

Yeah, Mariotti was the GOAT.

They figured out a way to make talking to each other about sports a sport.

Yeah, yeah.

And the point system that made no sense.

Yeah, and Tony Reale seems like one of the best dudes ever.

Yeah, seems like a solid guy.

I feel like no one's ever said a bad word about Tony Reale.

No.

And this program won't either.

No?

Yeah.

Tony Reale and TJ Lavin.

I feel like they were kind of related.

They always looked the same to me.

Really?

And they were just iconic hosts of the early 2000s.

We got to go visit our friend TJ.

I know.

Yeah.

I love TJ.

Can't you see them?

They're like cousins.

I can see what you're saying.

And then my cool throne is embracing debate.

We didn't talk about this.

Travis Hunter at the Combine said that him playing offense and defense

This is the first time I'm. We didn't talk about this.
Travis Hunter at the Combine said that him playing offense and defense is harder than Shohei playing offense and defense. Oh, okay.
Embracing. Oh.
And I think he's right. Wait, but.
Like what he does. Well, no.
On the football field. No.
Is harder than. Than pitching and hitting? Playing offense and defense, every baseball player does that no yeah no obviously right being a professional pitcher and like being a professional cornerback and a professional wide receiver at the same time playing in the same game i feel like that would it would be a better comparison if travis hunter was a cornerback and a quarterback yeah i think shohei still clears that.
Why? Well, we've seen it. Because it's a more specialized position.
And we've seen guys do it. There's so much crossover between like.
Yeah, but hitting is not a specialized position. No, but I'm saying there's a lot of crossover between if you're playing corner, if you're playing wide receiver.
There's a lot of the same skills that you would use for both of those. Shohei as a pitcher and then as a hitter, it's completely different.
I don't know about that. There's a lot of pitchers that can hit.
And there's a lot of fielders that can pitch. No, no, no.
He's like the best. There's not a lot of pitchers that can hit like Shohei can hit.
And there's not a lot of hitters that can pitch like. Dontrell Willis.
No one can. Carlos Zambrano.
No one. Big Z could hit.

This is bad.

No one can pitch.

No pitcher has been able to pitch and hit the way Shohei hits.

And no hitter has been able to hit and pitch the way

Shohei pitches.

And no person has successfully. I guess he hasn't

done it yet. There have been other guys

that have successfully played

both snaps all game.

Well, you haven't seen it in the NFL.

Yeah, in the NFL, maybe not. But like Sonny Ball

I love you. There have been other guys that have successfully played both snaps all game.
Well, you haven't seen it in the NFL. Yeah, in the NFL, maybe not.
But you can't say this until he does it in the NFL. Some of these guys could do both.
I think Sonny Ball led the league in touchdown passes, interceptions, and punting in a season. I mean, Troy Brown, like Edelman played both, but not successful.
I guess it will see after the season if he's successfully able to do both.

I think what Shohei's doing is still like one of the most insane things.

It is crazy.

Yes.

And I love Travis Hunter.

We'll see if he can do it in the NFL. Shohei has a husband?

That's a fucking good point.

God damn it.

God damn it.

You're on your game today.

I mean, I have no response to it.

Travis Hunter doesn't have any gambling scandal connections to him.

Travis Hunter doesn't have MLB World Series. He doesn't have a World Series ring.
Yeah, but Shohei didn't even play. He only played one position.
But can Shohei go live on Twitch? Probably not. I don't think so.
Could he pull like Travis pulled? He got us with the Heisman. Yeah, that's good.
Embrace debate. Yeah, that's how it's done.
This is why we debate. This is how it's done.
That was supreme debate. Point Hank.
Travis Hunter more impressive than Shohei Otani. Yeah.
I will say that he has to hit people. Yeah.
On both sides. I will start agreeing.
And Shohei doesn't even play the field. I'll start agreeing with.
He just hits. I'll start agreeing with what you're saying.
How hard can that be? If Travis Hunter is able to do this in the pros, because that will be insane. I think he'll have packages on offense, but I don't think any team's going to let him play that many snaps in the pros.
I feel like that's what he said when he knew.

I think he's going to try. He made the switch to Colorado.

It's like all those different now that he's, you know, D1

major conference. But that's just double the chance of getting injured.

I think he's going to try to do it. I still don't think you

like he would have to be the best

corner and the

best receiver in the league. Yeah.

I'm sure he's not the best pitcher,

but he's up there. He's up there.
He's up there.

He is up there. He's the best hitter

in the league, and he would have to be the best pitcher but he's up there he's up there he's up there he is he's the best hitter in the league and he would have to be he'd have to be the best wide receiver and a top five top 10 cornerback would be the comparable he would be an all pro and if the if mlb had all pro like the nfl does he would be an all pro in both correct if he stayed healthy and played both oh that's are you putting that on him? He's got you. Because he didn't.
He didn't. He did not.
He did not. And Shohei has.
He has. Incorrect.
But Shohei has. Shohei eventually will just be hitting.
Eventually. We'll see how much more he can pitch.
I hope he can keep pitching. Hank kind of bodied us.
Well, counterpoint though, Hank, this is one thing I learned watching around the horn. You have to say the hardest thing to do in sports is hitting a baseball.
I also don't think Hank actually believes what he's arguing. He just wants to be the other side of the argument, which is a good role to have.
I don't think you actually believe it. I think there's a better chance of another Shohei Ohtani coming around than.
So wrong. No, that's not right.
That's not right. That is so wrong.
That's just not right. It's way more physically demanding.
That's just not right. What do you mean that's more physically demanding? You know what you just said? That's just not right.
Yeah. Hank, who else has done it at Shohei's level ever? Babe Ruth.
And a hundred years ago when they didn't let black people play.

It's been a hundred years since.

Well, they didn't have the DH and the NL until like two years ago.

So?

What?

They had it in the AL?

Yeah, he's not on the ALT.

Where was he two years ago?

What is that?

Oh, okay.

Now Hank's losing.

Now Hank's losing.

Go back to the Heisman.

Yeah.

How many picks does he have? It's a good debate. That was a good fucking debate.
You agree? Yes. Embrace the debate.
Yeah. We leave.
We get outside the white lines. We're friends again.
Yep. Inside the white lines, we're enemies.
I still think Hank won, though. Yeah.
I mean, the Heisman thing just crippled. He got off to a hot start.
We couldn't catch up. That brought me to my hot seat is the houston rodeo i think it was a houston rodeo okay it was a rodeo that was happening right outside energy stadium or they were loading in for the rodeo to take place at energy stadium and a bull got out and ran away i think it might still be on the loose right.
We got a runaway bull in Houston. And according to the Texas Livestock Committee, they have a name for it when a bull escapes and gets out in the wild.
Okay. Is it just, oh, shit? No, it's not, oh, shit.
Okay. It's called a Johnny football.
Oh. So we have a currently happening Johnny football.
We need to get the choppers in the air and chase this thing down. But this thing is just steamrolling people on the sidewalks of houston it's pretty great like there's a guy wearing a neon vest that steps in front to try to stop it and the bull's just like no i'm not i don't care about your neon vest i'm gonna be like he's like blowing a whistle at it bull doesn't care bull just goes through anyways it's cool video to watch and it's rodeo season that is cool um my other hot seat is i'm just gonna say it blake's on my hot seat right now oh blake got putting time out at daycare again today this has happened a couple times he's grabbing dogs by the collar and walking them around i love that alpha i don't like that i don't like that behavior from him he's taking other dogs as the fun uncles we love that no this is fun uncle encouragement behavior we're gonna have to have a talk when i get get home because he can't be doing this shit.
I'm on your side. Why, Max? What do you know about owning a dog? Dog life is tough.
Yeah, dog life is ruined. Max said reality just hit him that he got a dog.
It's cute. And then you got to train the dog and live with the dog.
There's a lot that goes into it. And think about the dog.

I love my dog.

I've been single dog parent this week, and it just sucks. Oh, no.

I've just been going back and forth from the office.

Oh, no.

Honestly, it has me on edge.

I'm yelling at everybody today.

Oh, no.

I'm yelling at everybody today.

A whole dog just to yourself?

Yeah.

That's a lot of responsibility.

Oh, my God.

Dogs are harder than kids. Yep.
Yep. I agree, Max.
Preach, Max. I've been doing it.
What if you have three kids and a dog? But then the dog gets in line. The kids can take care of each other.
That's right. The dog helps to raise the kid.
The dog definitely gets in line when the kids show up. Stops being a dog.
I get a call like once every, I'd say three weeks from his daycare. And when I see it pop up on my phone, I'm like, oh, fuck, what do you do? Just the same as you would if you got a call from your kid's school.
Being like, oh, shit, he's in trouble right now. So I got the call, pick up.
They're like, yeah, he's been walking other dogs around. They're not liking it, but he won't stop doing it.
And we can't think of anything to do to make him stop. There's one thing that I've learned that I can do to make Blake stop doing whatever it is he's doing.
And he like freezes and looks at me like, oh, fuck, I'm in big trouble. And if I make this sound, it's that sound.
He fucking hates that sound. I couldn't figure out a cream pie guy.
I couldn't figure out why. And then it dawneded on me the only other time i've seen him give me that look is when he was laying on the couch one time and i farted on him and he stood up and he stared at me he was like what the fuck was that bro that's it i think he thinks that i'm farting every time i make that sound at him so i'm just gonna have to go home and either fart on him or just make that noise damn he's in's in trouble, though.
Blake, if you're listening, I still love you very much. I think I'd still rather get a call about Stella than one of my kids at school.
No. Max, he doesn't get it.
You don't get it. You don't get it.
What's a human? Yeah. Humans can understand.
Humans can talk. They can understand words.
Humans. You can't just go to your son and he's going to stop.

He'll probably laugh.

When school calls me, I'm like, my immediate thought is something really bad happened to

my human.

Yeah.

When I get a call, I'm like, oh, something really bad happened to my dog.

Yeah.

And it's pretty bad.

Yeah.

I'm still pissed at Hank for the Otani thing.

He bodied you in Supreme Debate.

What are you going to say?

Yeah. I've been yelling.
I just got to stop yelling at people. You're literally mad you have to go eat tonight dinner a couple times.
You would be in tears right now. You would have been crying for a week.
No, bring it on. Oh, that dude's a challenge.
I'd probably do 50 to 1. All right, my hot seat.
My cool throne. Oh, you have to be cool throne.
Sorry. My cool throne uh pete rose ah because pete rose might get reinstated into baseball oh now he is dead but rob manford is considering allowing him to be reinstated and therefore maybe putting him in the hall of fame he got pardoned he got pardoned and then i think uh pete a quote from pete came out from before he died that said after i die they'll rein me at that point, which it makes it was a lifetime ban.
Right. The operative word being life.
Right. He's no longer a life.
Right. He's dead.
So the band should have already been lifted. Yeah, it would make sense.
I mean, from everything I've heard from the Pete Rose, I always thought he should have been in the Hall of Fame. But it did feel like Pete Rose never had actual remorse for anything he did.
Never. At all.
He just, like, incrementally apologized for more and more things, but also said more lies about what he didn't do. I think someone told a story once.
He had a big meeting with, I think it was either Selig or Manfred, basically trying to, like, show contrition, and then he just walked across the street and went right to the sportsbook was just like all right yeah he did he did not he the man liked to gamble yeah um all right my hot seat is uh you pft do we think that the hit show tard knocks the naming of it has maybe ended hard knocks at unc the tard knocks curse it was it was one it was i think you dropped it on sunday and then on tuesday they're like yeah we're not doing it i think somebody from hbo listened to the show and was like everyone's going to be calling it tard knocks yeah i think we can't have this yeah it was a good name it was a good name but it's it's no longer so what happened there i don't know bill belichick struggles with commitment yeah but bob diaco is back he's on the staff love bob diaco so are they going to try to get a professional team to do it or are they going to just try to find another college team hard knocks you can do the pmt yeah you're welcome to do it part for the right price part knocks doesn't the nfl like have to it? That's what I always thought. I always thought so too.
I think they have to do the regular hard knocks, but to do the offseason hard knocks, since it's like a new thing, they might just be like, no, fuck you. We don't want to do that.
Yeah. My other hot seat is...
No one asked for more hard. I mean, the in-season one's not bad.
The in-season one I liked. The training camp one, or the OTA, I don't care.
But the in-season I actually enjoyed just because it's one of those stupid tricks you play on your brain. It's like seeing yourself on a jumbotron.
You're like, oh, I'm right there. I'm right here.
When you watch in-season hard knocks and you're watching it, you say, oh, I remember watching that game. Yeah.
That was cool. Or you're watching it with somebody that isn't a big football fan and you're like i know what's gonna happen yeah right they're setting you up for something yeah it's pretty cool to watch uh also my hot seat are we are we good with canada or no i'm good with canada i'm good with canada it seems like they just they put a retaliatory tariff on us oh we're in a tariff off we in a tariff off, and I'm hearing that it might get resolved tomorrow.
Okay. Shortest war ever.
I don't want to hate Canada. No, I like Canada.
I got no beef with Canada. I got no beef with the Canadian people.
Yeah. All right.
My cool throne is the bonk list because ask and you shall receive. Our guy, PMT Stats, who does a great job, has updated the bonk list.
So I'm sure he'll send it to you, memes. But so far, the standings through this year are PFT.
I know it was a competition. Well, I mean, that was how it started.
Yeah. I think I was.
I'm pretty sure I just started it. No, we started it because we had a debate of who's hornier.
I said Big Cat was hornier. He said I was hornier.
And I was like, PFT's hornier. Yeah.
He makes more sex jokes, and then we started the bonk list. PFT, you are in the lead right now with five.
Well, who is... So, PMT stats, I appreciate all...
Met him. Great dude.
I appreciate all the work that he does, but how are we... He's just going based on what he thinks is a horny comment.
Well, probably when we say bonk list. Okay.
All right. I'm in second at four.
Hank, you have two. Max and Memes, both asexual.
Zero. All right.
Also, Daryl Morey's on the bonk list because there was Kesha had an Instagram where it was just her butt was out, and he liked it. And it's just kind of a funny thing.
What post is that? Hold on, I bookmarked it. Okay, yeah, show it.
it's just a funny i like kesher i love kesher she has bangers it's just a funny visual of just seeing kesher with her butt out and then daryl maury liked by good job daryl i like i like that daryl he's getting he's getting horny with it um okay i'm gonna have to look this up and bookmark it too yeah but don. That was just research.
Max, memes, you guys have anything to say about being asexual? I got to step my game up. Yeah.
Sorry, I respect women. Do you? Sounds like you don't.
Yeah, sounds like you don't. No, you guys look at them as sexual objects.
No. No.
I'd say out of those five, I'm going to guess that two of them have just been me being horny. Joey had 60 stolen bases last year.
Yeah, listen. He doesn't have to play the field.
How can you, respecting women so much to say that they're attractive and you want to have sex with them, that's the ultimate respect. No? Okay.
Max is literally just looking up more stats. is it disrespectful to women to to go on their instagram and say i like this picture that you took and you uploaded yeah i'm appreciating their work is it disrespectful to to go on twitter and see a woman post something and say i would pay a million dollars just for you to fart in a cup for me no that's just respecting their work come on max is it disrespectful to say aj titties i would drink your bath water or is it supporting a small business is it disrespectful to say who's back of the week casey anthony or you just really like murderers right who said that you did well she's back.
And I am fascinated with her. The murdering part? I'm fascinated with her as a liar.
Okay. She is like a top five liar of all time.
Casey Anthony looks like Susan Boyle. Do you care? No.
And the thing is, I don't know who Susan Boyle is. It's the American Idol singer.

I was going to say American Idol talent.

Yeah, I mean, even if Casey Anthony looked like almost anybody besides Casey Anthony,

we'd not care.

Yeah, Max, why don't you start respecting women a little bit more?

I very much respect women.

That doesn't sound like it.

You got another Shohei stat for us?

You're deep into stats right now.

I can see your face.

Yeah, I mean, he finished fourth in Cy Young one year.

Damn.

Wow.

Wow.

What is that?

In the AL?

What does that mean?

Wow.

Now, I want to defend Daryl Morey real quick here.

That was the Heisman.

Did they invite four people to the Heisman to New York? The Heisman is college. I know, but I'm just talking awards.
Yeah. Shohei does not have one.
He has two MVPs. Does not have a Heisman.
But on this post, he might have just been liking the caption because the caption was, fuck Kanye. Oh.
Love to 2 Chainz. Oh, okay.
So that might be it. Yeah.
Yeah. All right.
Let's get to our interviews. We got Liam Cohn and then we have Brady Kachuk Captain America.
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Jacksonville Jaguars head coach, Liam Cohn. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest.
It is Jacksonville Jaguars head coach, Liam Cohn. First of all, coach, thank you for joining us.
We're at the combine. How does it feel just right off the rip? Are you getting used to the fact that you're being introduced as a head coach now? Yeah, it's a dream, man.
Dream come true. Obviously, I grew up in this deal, right? Watched my dad do it at a really young age.
Grew up in sidelines and coaches' offices and locker rooms. And I always wanted to be him.
You know, I wanted to be him. And to be able to do it on this stage with this opportunity, can't thank ShotKan enough for this.
So I read a story about you growing up that, like, even when you were five years old, you weren't playing with, like, Ninja Turtles. You were drawing up plays.
Yeah. Is that like a tall tale, or is that actually what it was when you were a kid? You were just drawing up, you know, the wishbone offense.
That was real. I think that was probably, you know, dad pushing that narrative in ways, but it was our passion.
Like that was our shared bond. It was football.
It was sports. It was basketball.
It was baseball. It was all sports.
You know, that's been life at a very young age. And unfortunately for my wife, I don't have a lot of other tools in life.
But football is something that ultimately I've done for a really long time. Yeah.
Do you use any of those plays that you drew up in your five? Do the wing tee. A lot of the wing tee principles that we used in a lot of our 21 pony stuff with the two back and the gap schemes and some of the GT stuff we did with the misdirection.
Yeah. It was really a process from the wing tee, which is what I ran and what my dad ran back in the day.
So when you were playing, because you played college ball, was there a moment, even when you were playing college ball, you're like, I know I'm not going to be playing anymore, but I'm going to be a coach. When did that happen? My senior year, my elbow was shot.
I was getting shot up every Wednesday to practice and Saturday to play. And so knew that was falling off.
The cliff was falling off too many curve balls as a 10 year old. And it just wasn't going in that direction.
I went and trained and Matt Nagy actually was training me at the time in Lancaster, PA. And I just knew it wasn't really going to be in the future.
So had an opportunity to go to Brown really early on Mark Whipple actually helped kind of get me that job and um knew from a very young age I think that this was what I wanted to do if I couldn't play yeah yeah I feel like Brown and and Holy Cross are two schools where like coaches know that's a great coaching school yes what makes a great coaching school man Maine too I would say a lot of a lot of good coaches from that area. Like that Northeast, you go with the old Atlantic 10, which became the CAA.
Yeah. And in the Ivy League, you can get opportunities because, well, you're paying nothing at a young age.
You can go in and you wear a lot of different hats. So I was like the video coordinator in 2010.
I'm the video coordinator, quarterbacks coach, recruited like 10 states.

And you get an opportunity to develop as a coach.

But I've met guys that have come into the NFL and not knowing how to make a copy.

So you've got to be able to learn and give the ops.

And I think that that's what some of those kind of programs do.

They give you an op to really kind of dive into it. Yeah.
So at what point, talk me through your Sean McVay coaching tree. His coaching tree is pretty insane.
There was a joke that if you had a cup of coffee with Sean McVay, you're going to be a head coach. So you got the benefit of that, but how did you get introduced to Sean McVay? And I would assume we know him fairly, but like impressing him to the point, it feels like he's got a pretty discerning eye in terms of who he's bringing into his group.
How were you able to like get into the Sean McVay like house? Yeah. So it was after the first year in 2017, Matt LaFleur ends up going to the Tennessee Titans to go call it.
Zach Taylor gets promoted from assistant receivers coach to quarterbacks. He doesn't name an offensive coordinator.
A couple of guys were on that staff. Shane Waldron was on that staff.
A couple of guys that I knew. I knew Zach a little bit when he was at Cincinnati.
I was at Maine. We played UConn, had a little bit of a familiarity there.
So knew a couple of guys in the building, but ultimately it, I, it was a blind op. Like it was, it was a blind op.
I mean, Shane, I knew a little bit, but it was a blind op. Those guys that I kind of were in the interview process against had connections to Sean.
I had no connection to him, came in. I was the offensive coordinator at Maine and then a quick stop at Holy Cross that I didn't even get to coach at, go in, interview for the assistant receivers job.
And he's got me on the board doing, you know, protections. He was drawing up an Abbey front, which we talk about the split mug.
It's the Zimmer stuff with the double A gap mug stuff. And he's like, Hey man, how are you picking up nickel Mike pressure out of this look? And I'm up on the board like, wait, I'm interviewing for the assistant job right and you got me talking protections right and I had never seen that that look and he's like I turned to him I said I don't know what this is he's like man don't worry about it it's new in the league we're just trying to ask a bunch of people and figure it out so it was an honest kind of opportunity yeah and I felt like I ended up going and winning the job when you when you for that interview, do you have like one play in your back pocket where you're like, I'm going to, I'm going to fucking knock his socks off with this one.
What is it? It was, it was a, it was a play action concept with basically a max pro play action that I knew that they had run a few times with Deshaun Jackson when he was in Washington. It was like a deep V cut pylon route.
We call it it, which is like an 18-yard, stick your foot in the ground, go to the back pylon, and then he would use read on the sail concept and be able to chase it with it with a Max Pro Play Pass. I drew that one up.
We had used it at Maine. And then really on third down, we drew up my favorite dropback concept was what we call pressure drive, which is an old, you know, old school West Coast concept that he had run for a long time.
And, but the detail, right. It was like detailing that play, I think was cool to, to be able to talk through because, you know, when you get off the board and he's not really hitting you on a ton of different coaching points, you feel like at least you nailed it.
Right. Right.
Do an overall coaching philosophy? Yeah, fast. That is what we talk about fast.
Fundamentally sound attacking, situational masters and tough, both mentally and physically. So that's where it starts.
That's where it stems. I think that the mentally and physically tough part, though, is the one that we really want to talk about.
We go into Tampa this past year, they have the 32nd ranked run game in the NFL in the last two seasons. And we go and, you know, bring it to number four this past season.
So it was buy-in. It was all about toughness, physicality, the way that we wanted to play the game, our style of play.
I mean, Mike Evans is digging out support on safeties. He doesn't have to do that.
Right. And so we got him to that point.
There was immediate buy-in. I think that that's where it all kind of stemmed from.
Wait, run through that acronym again? Fast. Okay.
Yep. Fundamentally sound.
Attacking. Already not a great acronym if you have to use two words, but keep going.
Fundamental. Okay.
Attacking. Situational masters.
Again. What do you mean? This is bad.
This is bad. This is bad.
Toughness. Situational masters.
Is that one word or two it's two words okay situational phasmed yeah all right so situational masters how do i achieve situational mastery dude there's a lot of tape that we can go back and watch yeah i mean we watch super bowls two minute drives four minute, clock management situations from – we try to show them the good and the bad, right,

but from previous years.

Like Belichick had this book.

Coach Belichick had a book.

It was like the Bible that you have,

and it's been kind of passed along through a lot of different people,

and he's got specific games, situations, when things came up,

to where you can go back and look at those situations still come come up to hell. We have a situational book.
Do you really? Yeah, you want to ask him about the book? Our book? Yeah, yeah, we can ask him about the book. What's the T, though? Tough.
Okay, so you kind of recovered at the end, but you've got to work on that. You can't.
Come on. Acronym can't have multiple words in each one.
I mean, it was pretty clean. Or situational pretty clean.
Maybe it would have been better. Fundamental.
Situational masters. I forgot A already.
Attacking. Attacking.
Attacking. Fundamental.
No, it's not fundamental. It's fundamental.
There's two words, right? What's F? Fast. Fast.
Fundamentally sound. Attacking.
Fundamentally sound. Attacking.
Situational masters. Situational masters.
And tough. Okay.
D minus. D minus.
Pretty easy. But also the fast is also the F.
Ask Baker. I think he'll probably say it was pretty good.
Listen, that was. I think those guys all bought in pretty quick.
Wait, who? Baker? The entire Tampa Bay. Yeah, Baker's a dog.
Yeah. Baker's a dog.
Wait, so let's do our situational. I was going to say, if you brought up Baker, up baker i just want to see like do you feel bad making baker have to meet another offensive coordinator bad uh i don't feel you know it's not bad it's it's uh unfortunate in ways because of the competitor because of the person that he is um you know we got really close obviously we L.A.
for those last kind of like five or six weeks.

He was paramount, you know, kind of in my evolution to coming to Tampa, like getting there.

So, yeah, you definitely feel you feel unfortunate for the situation because of the type of dude that he is.

But he's in a place where he's continuing to ascend.

Like he's just doing this right now. He's got a ton of confidence.

He's at a place where a lot of people love him and believe in him, and I think that's only going to continue. Did you ever text him back? Oh, yeah.
What do you mean? Because he said that he was left on red. No, I didn't.
Okay, all right. Good, good, good.
Because we love Baker. We saw each other in person.
Okay, all right. So which situation do you want to make? I was thinking two.
The book that we use for everybody, it's pretty simple math. It's end of game situation.
You want to ask the two point, one point? Okay, yeah. All right.
So you score. So let's say there's five minutes left.
You're down 14. You score a touchdown.
Are you going for two or one? Got to go for two. All right.
That's smart. Just so you know what you're going to deal with moving forward.
All right. That's good.
You know that. Here's another one, hot shot.
It's fourth and goal on the eight, and you're down eight, and you're going up against the greatest quarterback of all time. Do you kick a field goal to go down five, or do you go for it to try to score a touchdown and tie the game? Got to go for it.
Yeah. It would be crazy to kick that field goal.
Who's on the other side? It's actually the best quarterback in the history of the NFL. It's the Tampa Bay Bucs in the NFC Championship game against Matt LaFleur and the Packers.
You're going to have to use that op. You're down there.
You're down there. You're going to have to use that op.
But you can also kick three field goals. Yeah.
You're down there, and you're an opportunity to go score a touchdown. You're that close.
We all know how hard it is to score in the red zone in this league. So when you're down there, you've got to have your op.
I think you've got to be aggressive there. I feel like over the last 10 years especially, coaches have started to realize that it's smart.
It's actually the correct thing to do to go four and fourth down more often. But is that a change that you noticed as you started coaching? Or the second you got into the coaching gig, it was like that was already the thought that was bubbling its way up to the NFL.
2018, Seattle. We're in Seattle.
We're up one in Seattle. We're on like the minus 40.
And we're playing Russell Wilson at the time. They were rolling.
And we were a back and forth game. We they hadn't stopped us.
We really hadn't stopped them. And we take a timeout.
It's fourth and one. And Sean goes around the whole headset.
What do we want to do? You know, sneak it or punt it. Obviously, give those guys the ball back again.
Every single dude on the headset said punt it. Everybody.
He goes to Wade Phillips. He was like, man, we haven't stopped him once.
Go for it. And we went for it, sneaked it, won it, game over.
If we didn't, it could have been catastrophic. They're going to go five yards, basically, to go kick the game-winning field goal.
But it was like that aggressive mentality there, that believing in the guys and have an like, you haven't stopped them yet. So that's not probably going to stop at that point.
That may not change. It may, but, um, play the odds.
Yeah. Um, all right.
So enough of the niceties, let's get to the real business here. Why you're here.
Um, Duval, let's just break it down. Cause we're actually the perfect people for, to fix what happened there.
Um, what What was going through your head? I have a theory that it actually wasn't the way you said Duval. It was your eyebrows.
Is that right? You did two eyebrow raises, which is unheard of. I've never seen it before.
That was the part where it went off the rails. Yeah, like it was going okay.
And then you raised the other eyebrows like, this guy's a yeah uh so what was going through your head no it's just a cadence right we all I'm a quarterback by nature I'm using my cadence and uh hey at the end of the day you have to adapt to different cadences that was my cadence at the time and now hey I'm gonna learn from these guys and be able to do a better job next time how does it work with with the PR team when you finish the press conference and you walk off and you're like, I nailed that. And then someone's like, sir, the Duval thing is going viral.
I mean, I just want to go back to Dan Campbell talking about biting kneecaps. Yeah, yeah.
We actually made that point on your behalf. It's like, listen, you can judge on a – our job is to judge on first impressions.
For sure. That is our job.
But there's – you know, if you just judge fully on first impressions, everyone thought Dan Campbell was a meathead. Yeah.
And, like, he'd never win. Yeah, I think kind of a message for, you know, ShotKhan and what we're trying to do is be bold and be different.
Yeah. And I've never – you know, this past season in Tampa was my most truest authentic self for the first time.
I wasn't trying to be Sean. I wasn't trying to be Kevin O'Connell.
I wasn't trying to be Zach Taylor. I was just being myself.
And, yeah, that was my cadence that day. Obviously, I wasn't too loved, but I think these guys, once we start winning games.
It made an impression. Do you want to give another shot without the double eyebrow? I'm good.
Come on, just give us a Duval, but just regular. Duval.
There we go. That's better.
Yeah, that was better. And I think you're smart.
I mean, how easy is that? I think you're smart to hold off on it, wait until after your first win, and then maybe you hit the Duval and you hit it with a wink too at the same time. Yeah, there you go.
It's the eyebrow, I guess. Just keep the other eyebrow down.
Yeah, keep it down. Like the rock does the one eyebrow and everyone loves it.
There you go. There it is.
So we actually were having this conversation in Tampa two weeks ago. My son, three-year-old son, just did it.
Okay. I can do it.
My dad does it. It's just kind of a thing.
It's not probably the coolest thing, but it's a thing. Yeah.
The eyebrows work. Yeah.
Yeah. I think we also, I don't know how much you know about the storied history of the Jacksonville Jaguars, but we have a couple of things that we'd just like to inform you about so that you know what you're getting into and you have to learn the history of where you're working.
Are you familiar with the kid that got his head stuck in the Jaguar statue? No. Oh, my God.
You need to familiarize yourself with this. What do you mean? We've actually had him on the show.
We interviewed him. He was pumped up one day.
He was, I think, eight years old at the time. There's a giant Jaguar statue outside the facility he stuck his head in it there was a little bit of blood they call the fire department they had i think they had to solve one of the jaguars teeth and there was a theory that you that the jaguars were cursed because of this what year was this this was like in the late 90s i want to say early 2000s 95 96 like issues moving forward is that right so we were in uh california last year and we were doing a bar event and this guy comes up to me he's like you don't know who i am but i'm very important to you i was like what and then he was like i'm the kid who got my head stuck in the jaguar statue so he we had him on the show and we we kind of closed the book so you're welcome for that i think he's fine now yeah you guys are good he.
He's good. How familiar are you with Blake Bortles, just his game? I mean, L.A., we were together.
Yeah, did you reach out to him? Oh, yeah. When you took the job and you're like, hey, just tapping in, making sure, you know, letting you know I'm in town now.
Blake, absolute best. Yeah.
He is the best. I mean, he took us to golf at Calabasas when he was living out there.
He lived right around the corner from the golf course out there. We went and played a few times.
I mean, he's the boat's the stud. Here's a free idea for you.
I know that he's welcome in the Jaguars family, but maybe excommunicate him so then you can bring him back and everyone's like, holy shit, he did it. He brought the boat back.
And Blake would It would. He probably wouldn't even find out he was excommunicated.

Yeah, he's all in on that. Yeah, and then he's just like, you're back.

He actually gave us my realtor.

Oh, really?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

I mean, he's the best.

Yeah, maybe you do Blake Bortles' night,

and then any fan that shaves Blake Bortles' haircut

into their head, they get free tickets to the game.

Blake Bortles' look-alike contest in my bedroom.

He gave me a completely different perspective on the quarterback position when he came to L.A. You know, I mean, Jared was still growing and still just that kind of little, the mentality, the little bit of the, hey, screw it.
Just kind of go let it rip and go play. This is who I am.
This is how I play. He's like, dude, I'm like Chuck Knobloch.
Yeah. Like my throat, like he would kill himself.
He was like so self-deprecating. But it was good.
It was in a good way. That's actually a good word in our profession.
Have you had a chance to sit down with Trevor Lawrence yet? Yeah. So what was that? I assume that you had probably met him before.
But as coach, what was that first mean and read about like, hey, I'm going to unlock you? Yeah, I watched him play as actually a freshman in high school. Like it was random.
I was there recruiting a different player on his team. He was in a playoff game against Buford High School in Georgia and he went and let it, like ripped it.
He was getting smashed in the face, just kept getting up, making plays. And so when I got with him, you know, a couple of weeks ago, it was just, you felt a dude that just wants to go take it to the next level.
Like he's mentally and physically tough. He's been able to go through a lot of stuff and he's been through a ton of change and all he wants to do is be great like he really does he just wants to go be coached go pour into this thing and um i think he's primed to go do that yeah he's going through a ton like ton of change right now obviously had the injuries a new father new coaching staff for the third time now right yeah um, ton of humility, but like, he's got a feeling where he's like, man, I need to kind of play to my potential.
I haven't reached it yet. Um, and that's cool to see.
Yeah. Also in Jacksonville history, are you familiar with the pool, the pool in the stadium? Yeah.
Very important. You have a, you have a swimming pool in your stadium.
That might, you might be the only NFL team with the pool. We swam in it.
We played there in Clemson. We played Clemson, Kentucky in the bowl game.
I didn't even see this thing. Yeah.
Seriously? We swam in it with Doug Marone. Is it clean? Yeah, it's clean.
Yeah, very clean. We were wearing jeans.
Yeah. You went full clothed? No, just jeans.
Oh. I was one dozen Florida.
Just an idea. You were with Coach Coach Marone.
Yeah, he went in with us.

It was awesome.

Just spitball in here, I feel like maybe you should ban the pool

until you guys have a winning record.

Maybe have it like a little carrot, you know, no one in the pool.

And then when people get in the pool, it's like, look, we did it.

Open up the pool.

Yeah, open up the pool.

It's like a family.

Yeah, I got you.

I respect that.

Listen, the pool is great.

We love the pool.

Yeah.

If things are going bad, the pool gets mocked. Could be a little bit.
Because it will be like, you know, the Jags are down 20, and then there's like four dudes standing in the pool. And you're like, oh, man, this is sad.
I can see that. So yeah, maybe only when the Jags are up, people out in the pool.
Or how about this? How about you? You know that dye that you grow up hearing about that's in a pool where if you pee? Pee't think that exists but a phenomenal idea you put that in the pool until you start winning and then you take the guy out start to shame people yeah you can shame people for peeing in it yeah okay i respect that i got a question about your time in la that i still don't understand what does it mean when you're the non-play calling oc do you just sit there the whole time being like man I wish I could call play no it's more that you're you're in a support role okay like you're the head obviously he's got a ton of responsibilities with offense defense special teams personnel a lot of stuff so you're you're really the rhythm of the week you're trying to help create the clean rhythm right make sure everybody's staying on task getting their stuff done, getting the scripts done, defensive scripts, cards. You're essentially organizing throughout the entire week.
And then as he gets caught up and gets into the more of the roots of the game plan, then he can start to dive into like how he wants to attack. How does he want to call the game? So is it difficult? Yeah, I probably underestimated that going from calling plays in Kentucky to going to that role in L.A.
after they won a Super Bowl. Probably underestimated that for me.
But you know what you're getting into. You know that you're going to go support a dude that's a complete stud and does things the right way, treats people the right way, and is super infectious.
So, like, that's what you're going to be a part of, and you of know what you're getting into yeah would you ever get in trouble for uh i don't know calling too many shots or something when you're an offensive coordinator and you're in practice going up against the defense yeah and the head coach has to like dial you back and say hey we're both trying to learn here yeah let's practice for both sides no we've we kind of had those some of those conversations this past year in tampa when we're the run game going. Right, Todd's so multiple.
Coach Bowles is so multiple on defense where you're saying, hey, Todd, we might have to have a couple periods where we're just static here, where we can just go block people that are staying put. So we can get good at blocking a double and a B and a single and a deuce.
If we don't get those blocks in practice, how are we supposed to get good at them in the game? And the guys that can really adapt and see it from both lenses, those are probably usually the most successful ones. Is Todd Bowles addicted to blitzing? Dude, I felt like it was just a barrage in training camp, but you don't know where it's coming from.
You really don't. He's so multiple that way.
I've never seen somebody in the second half of games adjust in 10 minutes. And we all know what halftime adjustments got.
Like you're getting the stuff you hadn't called in the first half or things that are working. How do you now dress it up to go do it differently? Todd Bowles had an ability in second half of games to take what they were doing and almost be like, we're going to do this and completely shut people down.
I'd never really seen that before. He ran the entire show.
It was pretty cool to see. Yeah.
What do you say to the haters that say Mike Evans getting that thousand yards was cheap? Dude. I know that was one of the coolest moments I've ever been a part of, man.
I think at the time I liked it Evans a lot I give him all the credit in the world I didn't like it from the Saints because it was like you're you're supposed to hate the Bucs right why are you letting them do that right yeah they didn't let it happen you don't think so not at all so what happened on that play we got him open and he made a play okay like that that's. You sure? We ran the same exact play in the red zone, the prior play when Bucky –

Baker flips it to Bucky.

We had had that play called, but Baker checked out of it

because he thought he was getting zero blitz.

So he checked out of that exact play.

We ran something else.

It wasn't open.

Mike wasn't open.

He ends up scrambling, flipping it to Bucky.

Bucky just kind of innately gets in the end zone,

and everybody's like, oh, my God. Yeah.
What did we what did we just do yeah you know we just ruined this for him and so when we got the ball back we went back to that same play that we wanted to call down there and obviously didn't check out a bit they weren't letting that happen you don't think it was not at all ask their coaches I've talked to their coaches there was no shot they were letting that happen well then I will retract my my the Saints. It was the coolest moment.
It was never anti-Bucks because Mike Evans is a stud, and he's been a stud. You see the reaction of those players, man? It was awesome.
It was the coolest moment of the year, hands down. Do you want to say anything to people who maybe drafted Rashad White too early in the fantasy draft? Then you were like, no, Bucky Irving is just going to get all the touches.
No, man, I gained such a different respect for Rashad after this year. When you go through it and see what he brings from a pass protection standpoint, there's probably not a lot of backs in the NFL better than him.
And that goes so unnoticed. And he can still do it in terms of making people miss in the screen game.
No, Bucky's just a dog. Yeah.
Like that dude is in the building at 5 a.m. every single day out with tom moore yeah 87 year old tom moore and bucky irving one of the youngest players on our roster hung out every single morning yeah like dude's a stud um all right we're gonna do something very awkward just so you know we have your side we're defending you um the weirdest guy we got in our company's diehardhard Bucs fan, Stephen Che over there.

His blog was posted,

new Jaguars head coach Liam Cohn is the biggest snake in football today.

Brutal.

Brutal.

Now, I told Stephen he can ask you a question,

but he has to do something first.

Okay.

Stephen?

No, you have to say the thing I said first.

He also called you a ladder climber, which I think that's every coach ever. It's trying to get a new job and get a better job.
It sounds like he wanted to be a head coach one day. And we defended you because it's like, yeah, if someone offers you this and then the other offers that, like to change your life and your family's life.
Steven, what would you like to say first about yourself? About myself? i mean i have a lot of questions no but you you and you can't ask coach cone a question until you admit to something sure i mean my feelings were hurt when you left we had this like long debate in our gambling cave in our office and the whole time i was like dude your feelings are hurt he's like no they're not i was like yes they are and you were your feelings were hurt yeah i mean i have a lot of questions for you number one how dare you yeah i mean it was a it was a rough we could we come off the and you you were a hot name in the head coaching circles and you were asked about it, I think towards the end of the regular season. I'll sit here at press conference every week.
Very great, very informative. And I was a card-carrying member.
I was a conehead. Yeah, for sure.
That's cool, man. I appreciate that.
I love what you did with the backfield, the run game, the 21 ponies stuff. Like integrating Rashad is the best pass-blocking running back in the game yes and then bucky was great but then yeah that week you know we get a very salty loss to pft's commanders at home which that was you know in my mind we win that game i think we're going to beat the eagles yeah if we don't yeah it was we had we had we played really well against in the first time too so do you have a question yeah is there a question you're just talking about your feelings? No, I appreciate it.
I appreciate what he's saying. But, yeah, I mean, if you could go back in time, how does that week change? Because you interview there Monday and then Tuesday.
I interviewed on Zoom Wednesday. Okay.
And I never got in person. Okay.
Never was able to kind of get in person until, um, after I ended up going there. Yes.
After that. Yes.
But, um, ultimately it came down to new information, new information became available. That's called money.
Um, and like when you're going to buy a house and you figure out like, it's, uh, either not as good or, or, or better than you thought. And some of the people that ultimately have kind of helped me throughout this journey have said like at the end of the day, you're allowed to change your mind.
Yeah. And that's like kind of life.
That's said that at the time it's the, it was the most gut-wrenching you know week of my life it was that's genuine like some you sound like a lot of my my boys that lived in my neighborhood that are were diehard fans like they were pissed at me feelings hurt yeah like they were pissed but they're cool now we're good and you know at the end of the day with with the guys the boys, and they're FaceTiming me from the Bahamas all excited,

and I just go hug Todd Bowles and those guys.

Like, it's all good.

Yeah.

It's all good.

It's okay that you have feelings.

Like, we all have feelings, Chad.

Sure.

As adults, we learn to process.

I do.

He's a fan.

Do you know that you're about to receive, like,

a real big dish of revenge, though, preseason week?

Yeah, I mean, we're going to whoop your ass in mid-August. Preseason week what? It's not out yet.
Oh, okay. We play the Jaguars every August.
He has it circled. Yeah, I got you.
He was like, they're going to get – Liam Cohn's going to get all of our rap in the preseason. We don't play him until 27, so I mean – All of our threes are going to go play – You better hope that's not – He got it, sir.
You better hope that's not week two.

Seriously.

Because Todd Bowles is coming.

Yeah.

We've got to put a countdown clock in the office for you.

Rivalry of the season game.

At the end of the day, it's entertainment, right?

I mean, as much as it is, I grew up a Patriots fan.

Die hard.

Die hard.

So I get it, man.

I understand.

So since you grew up a Patriots fan,

was Miles Jack down in the AFC championship game? Jaguars-Pats? Dude, yeah. You think he was down? I watched that game live.
Boat was – I mean, he was dealing. They were running the ball really well.
No, dude, that shouldn't have been called down. I'm all Jack.
I'm going Jack. Good answer.
Jack should have been in the Super Bowl. There's loyalties now yeah um all right i know you got to run so roback question r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com uh pro uh promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts roback.com promo code take last question steven do you have one final question i do uh so i mean again when he the best thing that happened was he got his feelings so hurt that we had to go the total opposite side and defend you to the death.
I appreciate that, man. Like his, cause he's so annoying that we're like, this is such a bad opinion.
We're just going to go the other way. So he actually helped you out.
Yeah. Yeah.
I appreciate that, man. Well, fandom is weak of and yeah.
Yeah. Before we, I have a question for you.
Would you rather have your job or would you have a better job and $10 million? I don't think there is a better job than this job. What about if the Bucs wanted to hire you? Head coach.
I know. Liar.
No. If the Bucs want to hire me.
The Bucs offered you $10 million tomorrow. I would be hurting the team.
Okay. That's fair, dude.
You know what? That's an honest opinion. That honest opinion that's a good answer that's a really good answer dude that was a great deflection okay that was a phenomenal deflection it was um so i'm representing the the bucks community here i'm not gonna go you know what happened what happened has happened but talk to the bucks fans about grizz josh grisard who's the new OC who was in control of oversaw third downs.
I've known Grizz for a while, man. Like met him here.
I met him here, I don't know, five, six years ago. He's like, he's a Yale dude, but he's a bro.
I mean, he's a guy that he connects with so many different dudes. Like he can connect.
He's smart. He's so smart.
He dialed up all of our third downs. He did so much of the red zone, all the pass game.
He can see it from an all-11 perspective, both in the run and the pass. He's going to be a really good force.
For you guys, he will. I promise you that.
And I do have one Jags question, if I could. Yeah.
James Gladstone. Yeah.
GM. He's 34.
Yeah. That's very – you very you're 39 yeah you guys changing the game how old was theo epstein when he took a red sox job it's pretty young 28 sean mcveigh won a super bowl when he was pretty young doesn't matter no what's cool is like he grew up on the sidelines his dad was a coach he grew up like on sidelines in the locker rooms like same share that vision, right? And I think that's kind of what's cool about it is like we're coaches' kids.
We have a chip on our shoulder. We want to prove it.
Like we want to go do it. And we've learned from pretty darn good people.
And now it's an opportunity to go do it. Yeah.
Love it. Well, thank you.
So, yeah, good job, Che. Hopefully we can close this book.
Yes, yes. Okay, all right.
Good. Although preseason is still back on.
We like the shoes, too. Yes, yes.
Yeah, preseason is on. Both Jordan guys.
Yeah, so thank you, Coach, for joining us. Just so you know, you legally just got at least 10 weeks of losing football where we'll still defend you.
That's the Nathaniel Hackett rule that we have implemented. Hopefully that doesn't happen.
Yeah, hopefully you just hit the ground running. But if you forget how to use timeouts on Monday Night Football week one, we'll say you've got to give this guy time.
Come on the show, we'll give you a little grace period. But hopefully you hit the ground running and hopefully you kick the fucking shit out of the box in the preseason.
Oh man. We're going to run it up on you.
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Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest.
It is Captain America. Can I call you Captain America? Sure.
Okay. It's Captain America.
It's Brady Kachuk from the Ottawa Senators. Yeah.
You're Captain America now. I think it's official.
I think you have to be Captain America.

Is that okay?

I'll take it, but I would love to know the reason.

Well, I mean, you fight, you score goals, you put the team on your back for four nations.

Let me start with this.

How weird was it playing for Team USA and then immediately going back to Ottawa and being like, all these people in this arena hated my guts for the last two weeks and now they're back to being fans of me it was weird it was just a whole i'm like i just got booed in montreal which is expected but then in boston like all like they don't like matthew and i in boston and to get cheered on and supported there i was like okay this is pretty awesome i come back actually missed the first two games in ottawa but i just would see twitter i'm like it's so everybody would be like it's so weird cheering against them but yeah i have to yeah for canada and but uh now it's nice to get them back on my side are they still booing the national anthem they are yeah what the fuck well i think you should just remind them like it was you're an all-star finalist it was the all-star game yeah it was an all-star so we said the second that we lost we were just like oh we don't care about the all-star yeah yeah that's exhibition you agree right like that was just the all-star break yeah i don't know if i can hear that term it meant a lot it is weird though because yeah you mentioned it but you and austin matthews especially like you go to boston and now all of a sudden that boston crowd is cheering for you was that a little bit surreal to be in that arena and feel i mean obviously you played in boston before but to have them like support guys that they normally just boo the shit out of was that kind of strange yeah it was really strange um honestly it put a smile on my face like i was trying to hide it but when they're announcing the lineup for the final and i just heard uh the crowd i was like i felt really like patriotic and like like representing the u.s and and uh it was a pretty pretty cool feeling that i was trying to be all serious but it put a smile on my face yeah that's awesome yeah and i mean the olympics next year are going to be incredible you got to be juiced up for that just off of this four nations I can't wait. It's going to be, I think it was the perfect thing to set up for the Olympics.

And. year are going to be incredible you got to be juiced up for that just off of this four nations i'm i can't wait it's going to be i think it was the perfect thing to set up for the olympics and and gaining all these hockey fans and i know they're going to do job uh do a good job of building it up and hyping it up but i really do uh now feel good about our team too going into it yeah you got a little uh mark on your face that from tom wilson now well tom wilson knuckle next to the mouth yeah You got to fight and score the goal.
Yeah, respect. That was a good fight.
Good scrap against Tom. He's a big dude.
We like to ask all the NHL players that come on the show, what do you say to another guy when you're about to? How do you instigate the fight? Last night, I don't even think I got a word out. It was just more like a head nod.
And it was like one it was like one of those like connections. I don't know.
It's hard to explain. Like not many words like needed to be said.
It was just like, we both knew it was happening. Yeah.
But like, usually it's like, you want one? And it's like, like, that's like, or when you're really pissed off, you just, you just grab them. Yeah.
We're going like, like not even give them an option, but it was weird last night. I don't even think a word was said.
It's just like, all right, we're going. I love that.
It's almost like a romance for hockey guys. You just look each other in the eye and you know it's on.
Time to lean into this. Yet I noticed that you had a nice little takedown at the end.
That's a good strategy to have. Like if you're in a fight, it's been going for a while, train some heavy blows, just try to land on top of the other guy.
And then it's almost like you won the fight. Yeah.
Oh yeah oh for no this is usually the non-hockey fans that that see that they're like oh he won just because he finished on top but yeah oh no he he hit me with some good ones and no he's he's he's a big boy did you wake up feeling it this morning you had to fly like late late yeah yeah i yeah i'm a little sore today but good that we have a day off yeah did you Do you ever turn down fights? Are people always like, because I would imagine there's some fights where you're like, I can't, like, I'm going to beat this guy up. Or if he gets like a lucky one, I'm going to look like a loser.
Like, why would I fight this guy? Yeah, I think now I used to like, if somebody say something, then like it would be automatic just because I wanted to prove myself and all this. But now I want to like go out there and help the team.
Yeah. And I'm at a point now where I need to be out there and help the team.
But last night we're down to nothing and try to create a spark for our team going into the second period. So things like that.
And especially, you know, Tom, a guy who's I don't think they win 2018 if it's not for him so yeah he's a he's a unbelievable you guys you guys are kind of similar in that you're both very very skilled hockey players but also very capable of handling yourselves in a fight that feels like a new type of player whereas back in the day it was mostly like you had you have a goon and his job is go out there like you're Paul Bissonette yeah you're gonna step on the ice and you're gonna fight somebody then you're gonna go waddle to the piddly box nice nice day at the office but now it's like guys like you and tom wilson are so valuable but now that you're going into the playoff stretch where you have to be around you have to like designate somebody else be like i want to fight this guy but i can't can you do that for me yeah well i try not to you know do that especially to a teammate be like hey like you're gonna have to fight this guy if it happens that it's gotta be me it's it's i'm fine with it and i'm not too worried about it but uh what fight fights don't happen as often anymore yeah it's it's just kind of uh going away but i think it is still important to almost keep everything in check and have that accountability and responsibility that can't just go after the best players and not you know have to answer the bell so i'm glad that hockey's still important but just doesn't happen as often as it used to with you know with biz nasty just going toe-to-toe with guys every single game so that just doesn't happen anymore you did say something there though like firing up the boys i do think that like one thing that's happened in all of sports is analytics has kind of taken over numbers and the human element is no longer there as much i love like a good old-fashioned meatball take where it's like oh the the coach has to get kicked out or a guy has to fight can you feel the momentum after a good fight being like everyone kind of wakes up a little bit? I know for me, even I know, for example, when Matthew fought first, I've never felt like more fired up in my life that like I was like, no matter what I'm going. Yeah.
Like I have to because like I got it. Like I can't have this pent up like just like aggression.
And like I'm like, I got to get this out somehow because i was so fired up but um yeah no i feel in fights like when it's somebody else it's just it gets me so fired up i'm like all right here we go yeah this is this that's exactly what we needed is it a little weird that you can beat up your big brother uh well all the all the abuse i took as a kid yeah i'm like because you were telling me before off camera that you could beat the fuck out of him oh yeah oh yeah i'll say and he'll see it be like yeah he can't oh so he knows yeah oh he knows yeah yeah yeah but he he's just so good at chirping that like he he can definitely get under my skin that's where he's he's got me and i'll never catch up yeah yeah you know what else gets the boys fired up? Freebird. Have you grown to love that song? I still listen to it.
I'm like, oh, it just brings me back to how awesome it was. And even after we listened to Dream On, this is like the end of Miracle, and we just wanted to implement it.
And that still fires me up. I mean, it it was such a special awesome experience that no i

miss it i miss playing you know what those guys is it was so cool but it definitely sets up for next year it does yeah the uh the four nations was it was awesome i think it's going to generate a lot of interest in hockey especially the uh you know as the playoffs get closer in the nhl i feel like the ratings should be up across the board for that and now you're like are you the face of hockey? I't think so there's america uh i mean there's just so many guys like that i mean i don't know i don't think so i think there's so many good players that don't represent our league so well yeah yeah what uh tell me last year so obviously your brother wins the stanley cup but before that happens your dad called out the entire Panthers team and basically called them all pussies. What was the group chat like with your dad and your brother after that? Because he even said he was like, I'd rather watch Brady and the Senators.
They actually play with grit and they're real men and the Panthers are soft. Did that make you feel good? What was the conversation after that? I actually love how you brought that up because

he's considering himself to be GM

of the year when that happened.

He won them the cup.

I just changed his team all around.

Yeah, he did. But was it

did you guys joke about it afterwards?

It was after we played

them and we won. And I think

he was fired up. Matthew was fired

up. But Matthew didn't know about

it. And I think the next

morning, I think I just saw like a

Thank you. And we won.
And I think he was fired up. Matthew was fired up.
But Matthew didn't know about it. And I think the next morning, I think I just saw like a really, dad, like you just put me in a terrible spot.
Because now guys in the meal room, he's like, is he talking about me? Is he talking about Matthew? He's just like. That's good old-fashioned hitting the brothers against each other.
Oh, yeah. One's tough.
One's not. But I was loving it.
I was like, that was hilarious. He just keeps that.
He's like, I might give it to your team. Yeah, I know.
That guarantees a cup final, then a cup. Like, go ahead and do it.
That's the problem with it is you know that someday he's going to try to do it. He's going to play that again against you.
Oh, yeah. And then he's going to hopefully win GM of the year again.
Yeah. According to himself.
I think if he calls it, you've got to fight him. You ever fought your dad? No.
No. I have not.
I was, I think he'd be too tough to handle with, if we put the boxing gloves on. Old man strength.
Yeah. He'd throw.
And he's got some powerful ones. Yeah.
So coming from a hockey family and your hockey family, your hockey tree extends like all across the NHL with all the guys that that you related to in various ways but uh from that hockey family were you told very early on the importance of of the unwritten rules of hockey i don't know if we the unwritten rules because i remember you enforced one last year empty netter oh yeah the empty netter after after the the clock expired i think it was like two seconds afterwards they dumped it in and you were the first guy to be like hey fuck you you don't do that yeah it's actually yeah because obviously we lost and the siren went off but i don't think he heard it because the rink was buzzing and i was like all right perfect like this be like i saw him put it i'm like all right i'm going up and we'll see if like a line brawl happens or something like i don't know something to like get everybody excited about but was saying that earlier that year a teammate of mine i don't know if you saw this with the slap shot in the empty net yeah so it's kind of like i got the the opposite of it because i loved what he did yeah the slap shot an unwritten rule i'm like oh when it's on my side like that's great do it anytime but when it's against us i'm like yeah i'm gonna get that yeah yeah so when you were growing up was it always you're going to be in the nhl that was the one thing that you knew it was yeah it was always hockey i mean i played other sports loved playing other sports, but at the end of the day, it was always hockey.

And honestly, I never thought the NHL was like,

could be a reality until I was like 16, 17, where I was playing in Ann Arbor at the U.S. national team

for the U-17, U-18 year.

And that's when, you know, more teams are coming around scouting

and, you know, guys are getting drafted before you and you're like, okay, like kind of in comparison, like where do I need to get at to get drafted? And, you know, I want to go as high as possible. So I started thinking about that when I got there.
And then it kind of became a reality when I was, you know, 17 and going to go to college and then get drafted from college. Yeah.
There was never a moment, even when you were you know 12 or 13 we're like rebellious like i'm not playing in the nhl dad like don't make me do this i think i gave like i think he would just shred me after one game's like all right i'm done playing hockey yeah right i don't want to like and he's like no you're a kachuk that's what we do and then he just and then my mom would be like no it's okay sweetie you worked hard. It's just, you know, your dad's tough on you because he expects a lot out of you.
So, and then she'd always calm us down and be like, I'm going to be playing roller hockey next. Yeah.
So it was never really a, hockey was never going to be quit on. Yeah.
You were never going to be like, I kind of like to be an accountant. Yeah.
Yeah. You know what? I just want to go to the business.
Who's the funniest guy on your team? Thomas Shabbat. Okay.
He's just nonstop. Because I feel like every hockey locker room has like one of those guys who's just a total like electric personality and a glue guy.
Is that who? Is that? He's never had a bad day in his life. He is such a positive just in everybody.
Everybody's getting it.

He's not just picking a couple guys.

He sees somebody and somebody's getting it.

Yeah, and Barstow will hire him in a couple years.

Yeah, probably.

And he's the biggest fan of you guys.

He'll be so fired up.

It's perfect.

Hockey guys for some, I mean, I don't know what it is,

but I feel like I've never met a hockey guy who wasn't funny in some way.

You know what I mean?

Whether it be dry humor or outwardly funny, it feels like a hockey locker room is unlike any other sport it's it's the best part of the day yeah just go in there and just shooting the shit and just hanging out and i mean there's just nothing better all right so thomas you gotta come on the show they love the boys more than anything yeah that's one thing it's like oh yeah always for the boys always for the boys the dinners the the nights out just they're hilarious and they'll walk into a room and they'll see one guy and they'll be like what's up boys what's up like everybody's boys yeah boys beauty yeah legend is the uh is the vegas flu real have you been hit by the vegas flu at any point this actually came up the other day um my dad i feel like we're bringing him up a lot

went to his analytic guys because he works scout in st louis he's like just do me a favor can you look up brady and matthew stats when they play vegas in their own cities versus them in vegas it's not like we're going out and doing all this crazy stuff like we're just just hanging and our stats in Vegas are absolutely awful.

We've played there.

I would love to see, like, 18 games, I think, like, combined. Like, we both have, like, two goals and, like, one assist in 18 games.
But, like, at home, like, it's a different story. That should be illegal that your dad's using the analytics department of the Blues against's no i think it was just a family thing yeah i don't want him getting any trouble but no he that that's this that's some of the stuff that he's like you know what i've thought about it you guys have played like shit in vegas i gotta see some stats yeah wait so did he send you all the stats oh he sent to the math and i group chat just like it was like a log chat of It's just like the caps in Vegas and back home.
Oh, that's incredible.

It's awesome. You've got cameras following you around now, right? Yeah, not every day.
They come. I think they came twice for the Amazon series.
Oh, nice. It's been really cool.
It's new. But, I mean, I grew up watching the 24-7 yeah yeah seeing that and how cool that was but uh no it'd be cool to see them you know this ride and into playoffs yeah do you are you able to say like cut that because we have cameras here all the time and it's just at some points it's like dude i i need i need a second without a camera in my face yeah well they're they came i think in january four days and then i saw him twice over four nation like that's all we've filmed so far so i'm hoping uh as this kind of playoff race picks up that i'll catch more of that and yeah and uh into playoffs yeah i think there's gonna be some good footage so you you uh recently became a father was it like nine months ago six months ago he's five and a half oh shit i'm way off he's on my birthday oh fuck ago? He's five and a half.
Oh, shit. I'm way off.
He's on my birthday. Oh, fuck.
I'm way off. Five and a half.
Alright, so is he good at hockey yet? We're trying to... When did he first get on skates? Oh, this is five and a half months.
Five and a half months. Alright, that's right.
Alright, so I was right. I was like, holy shit, did I fuck that up? Five and a half months.
Five and a half months. We've tried putting a hockey stick yeah so when does that happen when is the first like what actual age is like all right it's time for you to do the family business get on the ice i mean we started skating at two so we already have his hockey skates it was um it was a gift that somebody gave us he's like here's this here's the skates when he's ready but uh we got that all dialed in so we'll have to see hopefully two i love that is that when you started yeah i think matt and i both started skating at two respectively so i don't know that'd be nice that's such a crazy thing because like you can barely walk when you're yeah oh yeah just just holding them along i'm more than happy to do that well because i bought my son my son skates.
He's five and a half years old.

I bought him skates. I was like, I already missed.

He's already...

Not that he was ever going to go to the NHL, but he's already

way behind. He's not playing hockey.
It's way

too late. Five and a half years old.

A lot of guys have started skating later.

It's just...

They end up in the NHL.

My son's not

going to the NHL. No offense.

How are we feeling about the team this year? I'm very confident in our team. I think just we're a tough team to handle for seven-game series, so we just got to get there.
But, no, I think all-stars are kind of aligning for this year and just find a way to get in, and I think we can do some damage. This late this season, is this the grind? Obviously, you would get a nice little energy boost for the playoffs but right now i feel like this is the time of year where everyone's banged up it's been long you barely got a break at all uh is this like a part of the year where you just like kind of just going day to day got to get through this it's definitely i think it's more of a mental grind now um i think november four nation break was like the physical grind of just like every day, just grinding away and kind of set yourself up for this time of the year.
But I think it's mentally just, I think you can look at it. It's a little stressful this time of the year.
And I think it's okay to be a little nervous and have the nerves. I think it's a good.
No, but I think playoffs for us kind of started a couple games ago where every game is almost a must win. Just to get ourselves to April, we need to just kind of stick around.
Every team around us is doing well. Just stick around and hopefully can rattle off a couple-game win streak and put in a good spot but um no it's a fun type of year and like i said like this is my first experience at like in this playoff race kind of feeling and and it's been the best feeling to just grind it out every single day yeah playoffs already started that's that's good trick have you thought about what it would be like if you brought the stanley back to Canada? I think about it all the time.
Yeah. Maybe think about it too much, but I feel like I have my whole day planned when we win.
Yeah. You'd be Captain Canada at that point.
Wait, did you celebrate with your brother when he had his day with the Cup? Yes. I went back to St.
Louis for his day. He actually had it for a day and a half, and it was really awesome to see what we were able to do with it.
And I was there the night they won. Yeah.
I was kind of around it and just to see the happiness that it brought. It was motivation.
Did you touch the cup? No. All right.
No. Good.
Yeah. Did he try to trick you into touching it? No.
He was, you know what, he was, I didn't expect it. He was very respectful and just I thought he'd for sure just be rubbing it in my face, but he actually was very nice about it.
Yeah, that's good. I definitely would have tried to trick you into touch.
Oh, 100%. Yeah.
I would put it in your bed. Yeah.
I would have given you some ambient and then put it in your bed next to you. Taking pictures of you.
Yeah. Look at him touching the cup.
I got a bone to pick with you you said you were watching miracle before some of the games i feel like usa hockey we're not the underdogs like that anymore you got to start watching like dream team 92 stuff and like have the perspective change of like we're not the plucky underdogs we're we're team usa we can win this thing yeah no you're right i think it was more the the patriotic okay yeah like all right we're like like mike ruzione came and talked to us right before the tournament started and just like to watch him rob mcclannian and because those two guys came to our dinner and then we were hearing stories of mike and uh after the fact and how basically he left his hockey bag in lake placer never played again and just to hear that he went from gold medal to yeah know what he's doing now and just an amazing life that he's given him and his family but like we just had to watch it get that childhood all right maybe for olympics we do like uh armageddon or like a rocky movie would love that would be good get you pumped up that way yeah rocky would be solid yeah yeah i like i like tricking yourself into thinking that you're underdogs though that works a lot like the patriots did that for years where belichick's like nobody believes you nick saban does that or he did that at alabama he's like nobody thinks you can win it's like well you have the number one recruitment class everyone ever yeah everyone yeah just make it put that chip on your shoulder and get it uh not specifically for Vegas, but is there any other place that you play that's just harder to score goals in? Like in college basketball, some places are way harder to score in. Does that carry over to hockey at all? Oh, yeah.
It's a spot that I haven't scored is Chicago. Oh, right here.
Okay. Maybe tonight.
Yeah. Or tomorrow.
Tomorrow. Yeah, yeah.
Tonight when people are listening. Yeah.
Yeah. No.
So we'll people are listening yeah yeah no uh so we'll see i haven't i haven't scored here and this is a tough building to score and so what about uh the ice in uh what what rink has the worst ice also calgary's ice i feel like it's so shiny is that yeah okay it's they they have like three teams skate on it so So their ice actually takes a good beating.

I mean, all those warm places.

It gets soupy?

Yeah, just like snowy, quick, and soft.

I never really realized it, but guys always tell me that.

Yeah.

I'm just extra slow today.

That's what I'm thinking.

Oh, I'm dragging a piano behind me all game today.

But probably like Tampa.

Like probably just it's hard to keep the ice all dialed in when it's so beautiful and so warm there. Zamboni drivers in Canada are probably better.
They've probably been driving those things since they were kids. Oh, yeah.
When they're not doing it, they're doing it to the outdoor rinks. Yeah, yeah.
It's buzzing. We have a debate with Witt, and he loses his debate every time we do it.
But have you ever thought about not coming off the ice? If you're so good staying on the ice playing the whole game like patrick mahomes never takes off a snap i i couldn't do it cardio wise i'd be okay even 30 seconds i'm tipping i'm like yeah god i gotta get off i can't be doing that what's so 30 seconds is when you're like oh yeah on a good day 30 seconds hard i'm like all right i'm done i gotta get off but what But when you have a like, what's the longest shift? Do you remember the longest? I actually had like a three and a half minute shift one time. And how much did that fuck you up for a while? I after the game, I was exhausted.
It was like the extra we had. I was the sixth man and I just refused to get off because I thought I was like, all right, I'm going to be the hero tonight.
Did not happen. And it was a little too long of a shift that I got into some trouble the next day.
Yeah, Wick gets mad at us whenever we do that debate. I wouldn't step off the ice.
Yeah, I would never come off. I care that much about the game.
Yeah. Like LeBron plays 44 minutes.
Travis Hunter plays 110 snaps a game. Yeah, which is very impressive.
Right. That's very impressive.
Yeah, Heisman. I just don't think he could play like a full game like with the speed that it's at.
LeBron probably could. Yeah, and he gained weight while he did it.
What if he did overtime should just be no shift changes? Yeah. Just see who came last.
That was kind of last night. I was out there for a minute and a half.
I'm like, I might be out here for five minutes. Yeah.
This is what might happen. And thank God it wasn't.
When does it officially, you said playoffs already started because you guys are in the playoff race. When does it officially become like we're putting all of our bodies in front of the pucks and don't care at all? Because I do love that shift in hockey when you get to actual playoffs and guys are like, fuck it.
I'm selling out on everything. I mean, that day is definitely coming.
Yeah. It's coming very soon and just.
Will that be a talk in the locker room being like, boys, it's time. Yeah.
Everyone's on it. Like, do whatever you got to do.
Eventually, like, it's going to be like, this is game seven. Right.
And, of course, it's going to be sometime this month.

But this is the game that we need to win.

And can't look past, can't look at the future games.

Right now, we need this one.

Yeah.

That's got to be a little bit of a pit in your stomach being like,

fuck, I'm just going to get buried with some pucks. Yeah, I'm just going to run around and have 12 hits tonight.

Yeah.

When you get hit with a puck in between, what, like the skate

and down on your leg?

Is that the worst place to get hit?

I don't block too many shots, but the ankle's tough.

I think right here.

The knee inside of the knee.

I've had that before.

It just makes you feel like you broke your knee.

Yeah.

You just can't move.

How, in terms of, I feel like all goalies are psychos. How psycho is your goalie? Do you talk to him before the game at all? Yeah, he's very loose.
Okay. He's very, like, but I've had goalies where, like, not a word.
Like, he's just in his own world. You don't say a word to him.
But he's great in that aspect where it's just chill. He's, like, around before the game and just i think it's hilarious he's got like uh the wide receiver gloves it's like our strength guy throwing you the ball it's not too hard but protect the pause at all times uh but no he's good but once the game gets going then he locks it yeah because goalies do it feels like that that's one of the positions in sports where it's just true psychos like you can't play this you can't play that position unless you got a little bit of something wrong yeah like it's psychos and i think they could all say it's a little weird yeah like they're all like some stuff not all weird but like all have some different thing that they got going on yeah right you're just getting peppered with 100 mile an hour slash And shots and i've i put the pads on every christmas party like for the kids i put the goalie gear on i think it's like the best thing in the world but then i'll have some of the guys shoot on me i'm like oh my like they hurt yeah you have all that padding but it still hurts right right but that's the most insane to me thing to me about hockey is until what maybe 50 years ago 40 years ago goalies didn't all wear masks yeah that's crazy how insane is that that's just absolutely nuts and even guys like what 20 years ago like didn't wear helmets i'm like yeah how are you playing this game with no helmets like i'm wearing a visor and then you have jamie ben ryan o'rally who's like they don't have a visor still i'm like how are you not worried about your eyes yeah yeah that is crazy although the flow did look awesome oh yeah look good you get a couple nice scars not like bad scars but a couple scars on your face then you can everyone sees you for the rest of your life you're like that guy played hockey who was it there was one guy right who got grandfathered in and he was like the last guy not wearing a helmet i can't remember who was reg mctavish yeah he's just like you just watch a game like what he doesn't have a helmet oh yeah he's grandfathered in he doesn't have to do the best part is warm up so where you can go no bucket and warm-ups like that's exciting yeah i love the helmet oh yeah oh yeah yeah this is a very important question for you how much chicken parm do you eat in a in a normal i guess we'll go with a month oh i i have it every game game day.
Every game day? Every game day of chicken parm. So you had that for like an early lunch? Yeah.
So I'll have it early lunch around 1130, then take a nap and be ready for the game at seven. So I have a lot of chicken parm.
Does everyone eat chicken parm? It's a great meal. Yeah, it is a great meal.
a lot of guys have that but like more pasta or like with the chicken parm then i don't have pasta with mine so just chicken parm just chicken so just go straight meat stay like have you had like chicken parm you're like that's a good chicken parm i'm gonna play well tonight oh yeah like whenever i go to a hotel i'm like i know it's a bad over the years, I know like that's a shitty chicken parm. Just puts me in a bad mood.
It's like I'm going to have a bad nap. I'm going to have a bad start to the game.
Got to find a way. But sounds like another analytics homework for your dad.
Yeah. Figure out the best chicken parm cities and how you play in them.
What are the best chicken parm cities? DC was good yesterday. Yeah.
Yeah. They've got yeah you got to do a review every hotel just do a review montreal's got good chicken parm but also i feel like if the chicken parm's too good that could be bad too right oh i'm i'll crush as many and just you know i might be a little heavy that night but just i can't turn down a chicken parm.
Describe your ideal plate setup for a chicken parm. Well, like a perfect chicken parm in my book.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know, I'm not like too big a cheese on it, but like a thin chicken parm, almost like a chicken cutlet, and just like a lot of sauce, put a little olive oil on it. That's exactly what I want.
What about the pasta? What type of pasta do you like with it? I usually don't have pasta with chicken parm. So just the chicken parm? Yeah, chicken parm and sweet potato.
Okay. That's a very healthy way to go about it.
Yeah. I would load up on the pasta.
Yeah. No, I know.
I did that and I blew up pretty quick. So I'm like, I got to take the pasta out of my, I can't be gaining this much weight during the season.
Yeah. Back to the Four Nations real quick.
I had one last question about it. The fight, obviously, in the round play with Canada to start the game, three fights in nine seconds.
So, you guys planned that all out beforehand, right? Did you know who you were fighting and you were just like, like, no bad blood, we're just going to have to do it? Yeah. So it happened where we were talking about it before, and we're like, let's unite our team.
We're in Montreal. We're the villains.
There's only 20 of us that we have just – let's just stick together. And that was a way to go about that is to show that we're united.
And then it happens that before the game, they give our starting our starting lineups and we're the away team so we sent in ours first and and then they sent it and they circle on the board at we're going on two minutes four minutes and then matthew looks at me he's like like the the guy he's fighting he's like he started he's like all right i'm first shift I'm going him. And then after, I'm going to grab Benny off the bench,

which is his teammate in Florida, and be like, you're coming out.

We're going next.

And then Millsy talked to Pareko in warm-ups.

He's like, we're going.

And they had it all.

I love that.

I love the talking beforehand.

And like, hey, just so you know, we're fighting.

Yeah, right away.

And so then Matthew fought. I just think.
Then me and Millsy almost had an argument about who was going next. He's like, let me go second.
And then he was like asking the defenseman Pareko out there. And he's like, we're going.
And he's like, looks at me. He's like, I'm not going.
And I'm like, what do you mean? Like, you're not going. Then I'm like saying to Millsy, I'm like, he's not going.
Like, let me go him right away. And then we were just arguing.
I'm like, I'm going him. And then we did.
And then the next whistle, then Millsy got his. That's awesome.
It was great. It was so awesome.
Was there any talk about doing that again for the finals? No. No.
There wasn't much of that. Once he got to the finals, it was just all about trying to win.
And I know people probably would have liked that again, but I think at that point where if it happened organically, like if they wanted to go again, but I think it was just all right from the start, just trying to get it done and just one shot away. We watched the game with a Canadian oldie, and he is the definition of a beauty.
And he was talking shit to us all the entire game just about how bad the ice is in America.

Because he drives the Zamboni up in Canada.

He's like, that's bad ice.

Bad job by the Zamboni guy.

Have you seen Oldie?

Have you seen this guy?

Nash's buddy?

No, I think I saw a clip, right?

Because was it Yans?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I remember I saw a clip that he set it up, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So no, I didn't watch the full video. Because we're ready to go at him.
I saw a clip that he set it up. Right.
So. Yeah.
Yeah.

So no, I didn't watch the full video, but.

Because we're ready to go at him.

We're like, you want to go?

You want to go old?

He didn't want it.

I'll show you his side pouches after.

It's probably the most insane thing I've ever seen in my life.

I'll send it to you. Yeah.

The boys will get a good laugh out of it.

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So we talked about not touching the Stanley Cup.

Are you worried that you're never going to win a PGA Championship

because you drank out of Brooks' PGA Championship trophy?

Because that's out now.

Yeah, that's out.

Okay.

But I'm happy that it's out.

What was it like?

Brooks is a good friend of ours. Yeah.
He looked like he was having a great time that night was it fun hanging out with him yeah because i uh i was told that he was there i was like i'll just go say hi and introduce myself and all of a sudden i walk in and just i get handed he's like what do you want what do you want in it i was like uh i guess i'll just take a beer. Yeah.
And puts it in front of me.

And I, like, look down.

I'm like, all right.

Well, I'm going to have to chug this.

Like, I can't just have a couple sips.

You can't sip it.

I'm like, all right.

I got to show him a beauty.

Yeah.

But no, it was good.

I like the inner monologue of, like, this guy's going to think I'm not a beauty.

I got to fucking do it.

I got to one touch this.

And then we met up after the game and had more drinks out of it. Yeah, it was.
Yeah. He was locked in that game.
I think that was the night laser focus. I think that was the night he bet Josh Allen to win MVP.
He did bet Josh Allen to win MVP that night and he was so focused on the game. He's just staring at the game.
He's like, I can't even like it. I'll miss something going on here.
Yeah, he's the man. Yeah.
All right. Well, Brady, thanks so much.
Are are you gonna get in a fight uh tonight because i'm like i said i'm taking my son to the game so i i could point out and be like see that guy right there he's a tough motherfucker he's gonna fight yeah i mean we'll have to see all right maybe a goal goal goal would work too yeah blackhawks are bad they need to get they need to keep getting good they had a big win though yeah they did they did so yeah i'll be a tough one. I had one last thing, actually.
I forgot to ask you this. Your teammate, Shane Pinto, he was asked about you, and they said, what's the most kachuk thing about Brady kachuk? And he said, you mean what's the rattiest thing about him? Was that a compliment? Pence.
Oh, Pence. I'll take it as a compliment.
I think he kind of – so the way that he explained it he said that you stir the pot but often off the ice you're super nice but then once the game starts you kind of switch into a different mode like ratty could chuck so do you actually feel that like puck drop your personality changes yeah yeah no i feel like i don't even know when the switch happens but i definitely feel like i turn into a completely different person yeah so it's it's it's fun though it is fun we like that person on the ice yeah can't be bringing that home though can't be bringing the rat in this back home no no just disastrous waiting to happen uh all right well brady thank you so much captain america uh good luck rest of the year get in the playoffs and uh appreciate you stopping by man awesome thank you guys for having me that was a lot of fun yeah appreciate it part of my take is sponsored by better help think about your favorite leaders mentors and idols they don't have all the answers but they do know when to ask questions or seek support from their community in a society society that glorifies hyper-independence, it's easy to forget that we're all better when we have a support system behind us. Therapy can be a source of support for any area of your life.
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Hank.

What's up, PMT crew?

What's up?

Hey.

First, if you had to make a pickup basketball starting five of guests on the show,

excluding all professional athletes, former and current, who would be on the team?

Also, can we get a 999 challenge in the cave for opening day?

I think I would go Russillo. Russillo definitely has to be on the team.
Jerry. Jerry O'Connell.
You think he could be on our basketball team? He could hoop? I don't know. I feel like he could.
Oh, man. This is a good question.
Mark Wahlberg. Yeah.
Rosillo. Fuck.
This is a really good question. I'm thinking through the tallest people that we've had on the show yeah windy windy's got handles for sure sandler sandler great call so windy running the point rossillo sandler i think we might have cane at center cane at center that.
That's a good call. Stone Cold, power forward.

Yeah.

We're just all wrestlers.

Those are kind of athletes, though.

No, but I think we should actually do all professional wrestlers, and we'll just beat the fuck out of everybody.

I'm trying to think of who else we got.

Tom Segura.

Yeah, in the dunk contest.

Tom Segura in the dunk contest.

That's a great call.

Danny DeVito. Danny DeVito.

Danny DeVito, probably not.

Hmm.

It's a good question.

We got to come up with a solid.

We're pretty much.

We're building this team on Rosillo and Wendy.

No, Mark Wahlberg.

Mark Wahlberg, yeah, yeah.

I do think Wendy would be smooth with it.

I don't know why. You think he could dribble?

Yeah.

He just spends enough time around the game. I think he could.
I think he could. Yeah.
What about Rothstein? Has he ever taken a jump shot? I don't think so. No.
I don't think Rothstein's ever taken a jump shot. Brandon Walker.
Yeah. Brandon Walker would be bad.
Oh, Mark Titus. Well, he played.
Not professionally. True.
He didn't play professionally, but yeah, he would definitely. I was thinking just no athletes whatsoever.
He was drafted by the Globetrotters. Yeah.
Good question. We got to come up with some more.
We could probably do coaches, right? Josh Duhamel. He probably is a good athlete, right? Yeah, I think he would be Missoula.
Missoula played, yeah. Skip.
1.4. Stephen A.
Stephen A. Stephen A.
There it is. There it is.
I knew we'd find it. All right.
Oz the mentalist. So final answer.
Windy at the point. Stephen A.
shooting guard. Yeah.
Rusillo the three or Rusillo the four? Rusillo would. If we talked to Rusillo about if he wanted to be a three or a four, he would have like an hour-long answer.
Yeah. We'll put him at the three.
Kane at the five. Is he a professional athlete? Who? Kane.
Hank's trying to take him away from us. Mayor Kane.
He's 100% a professional. Okay.
He's a mayor. Okay.
Who's our tallest guest that wasn't a professional athlete? Man. Who's the one person that we said, you should have hooped? Yeah.
Shane? Osen yeah obia gillis shane gillis would be yeah shane gillis at our four and then maybe kane in our five i like that just keep throwing kane in there okay yeah i mean i'm gonna keep throwing kane in there i don't know what you want me to say i'm gonna keep doing it sup fellas how did you guys meet tim woods and start doing D&D shows? Ooh, good question. That was in Barstool Gold.
Yeah. Back in the day, we wanted to do some different shows that weren't sports related, some different for the people out there.
We had a professional cuddler come on the show and tell us about her job. We had a marine biologist come on the show, and we wanted to do like a board game type thing, and we thought D& be good yeah and it's i mean one of the best relationships we've made and credit to our guest booker who just we told her go out find a dnd jordan jordan jordan shout jordan best and tim woods is now he's i mean he's part of i i sometimes think about this uh not as like a we're to end the show anytime soon, but whenever the show does end, if we did a tour or a last show, the pop Tim Woods would get when he came in would be awesome.
If we did all the best recurring guests. Yeah, kind of.
But not a clip show, but just having them all come in would be sick. For the last episode.
Oh, I thought you're talking about a lot we got that would be a live show oh yeah but i'm saying just a real pop the pop online if we had him come in and just had everyone did we talk about doing a 10-year anniversary show we did yeah this next year next year next year would be 10 we're we're we actually missed our anniversary this year yeah it's actually uh we're two yeah because the show started leap day yeah we do we we're not good right next year we're not good we're going to the 10th no no no no no no you just implied you said didn't you guys say we're doing 10 year anniversary didn't we just pass it no i did not say just we did technically miss our nine year you were implying you were like i thought you were going to do one for 10 years we are i we did miss our nine year which You were implying, you were like, I thought you were going to do one for 10 years. We are.
We did miss our nine year. It's in a year.
Which I'm actually, I'm happy about because I do, there's like a trend online to be like, oh, I've been doing this for 100 days. Yeah.
Congratulations to me. So we missed nine.
Whoops. Our bad.
What we did. I thought you were just talking about mostly sports.
But this is, no, I'm not talking about like people who do something and a fifth year in college it's like people who work out for like you know 50 days or like day 50 I was really talking about Nikki Smokes is who I was talking about we technically had our nine year what four days ago yeah I was talking about about nicky smokes okay all right next i was just wondering in regards to hot seat cool throne or other segments like who's back of the week if that is something we guys you guys meet together for whether it may be hours before each show to make sure you are pinpointing some of the key things that have happened recently and made sure there's not overlap kind of thing or something to come prepared that things you might want to say and if other people had on their best list and so be it i usually just think of what would big cat say and what would pft say and then i just use that you try to take those yeah i mean that's a very stoop question we never have any overlap yeah we always hit all the main points in the sporting calendar uh no yeah we have um i think it's like a 45 minute it used to be an hour long but now it's 45 minute production meeting four hours before each show and then we plot it out on we use post-it notes color-coded uh no we did we did there was a point early on where we planned a lot more and i think we found no we did oh for sure we planned like topics and stuff and say i think we found pretty quickly that like just being ourselves is a lot and also surprising each other with things is is a lot funnier uh but yeah if you ever hear shorts on hot seat or cool thrill that's because we ran out yep or keeping beers outside yeah or daylight savings yeah i still i'm so mad at myself no the the start of the show when we for the first like two, maybe three years, it was every topic at the start. So the main sports talk at the start.
And then we would do segments after the interview. And the segments would be like Hot Seat, Cool Throne was one of them.
Hurt or Injured would be another one. PR 101.
I'm trying to remember the other ones that we had. Mike Wilbon's name drop of the week.
He played golf with Obama, not to brag.

That was another one.

But we would go through whatever happened in the sports and fit them into one of those segments.

And then the show kind of evolved from there.

Yeah, we realized that we're just hitting them on our own in a natural way.

Don't have to put them in a bucket.

When is Max doing the baseball streak?

Oh, good question.

This is memes. I feel like ever since PMTV came out showing he was throwing maximum 60 miles per hour, it went dark.
Is Max scared? Great question. Well, the thing is.
Let's answer the second part first. Yeah, the thing is, what is the thing? Are you scared? Scared? Yeah.
Probably an accurate answer there. So here, the real answer is we had it set up twice.
We got rained out twice. We were working on rescheduling for a third time, and then I broke my foot.
And now the college baseball season has started. I think we got to go maybe minor league team.
Maybe independent.

Yeah, independent.

Yeah, independent is probably.

The Mallards would probably do it.

Yeah, independent we could definitely find some teams.

Mallards, if you're listening, let's get this set up.

And we can say now we were going to do it with the University of Tennessee.

Yes.

It's going to be the Vols.

Who won a national championship last year.

I think they're currently undefeated. Max is going to get shelled by them.

They were in on it, but then because of the weather in Knoxville,

we couldn't find a day that worked.

And then he broke his foot.

And I broke my foot. The breaking of the foot was the real...
Yeah, that was bad. But then you won a Super Bowl.
But then I won a Super Bowl. Yep.
And now I'm basically healthy. Basically healthy? Yeah.
What does basically healthy look like? I'm technically not supposed to run or jump for another two weeks. We're taping this right before we do a challenge where we go to 15 fast food restaurants or

attempt to go to 15 fast food restaurants and eat from every single one of them.

Yeah.

No, I'm never going to get skinny.

Yeah.

It's okay.

You...

Listen, when we do the combine and stuff, you show out.

I think that's all that matters.

If you're a little overweight, it's like you got to just every now and then remind people like i could be in good shape yeah i could be i fat athlete fat fat athlete fat fat fleet fat athlete i like obese better obese is obese just goes obese was a good one yeah you are is that it? Yep. Good job, Hank.
Thanks. You look good today.
Thanks. Yeah, that's it.
Just complimenting each other. Boys.
Boys compliment each other. All right.
Numbers. Memes.
Happy birthday, memes. Yeah.
I like compliments. Let's compliment each other.
Okay. I really hope you get this.
Here's a compliment, memes. I know at least you're trying to get this.
You're never going to get it, but I know at least you're trying. Okay.
So that's my compliment to you. Thank you.
I love how much you care. Yeah.
Yeah. And it's bullshit that people keep bringing up that you didn't get it on the previous machine and the new machine and it's getting a little ridiculous how bad you are at this uh that's mean yeah it's very mean and then pft's tweet yesterday was also very nice what was my tweet uh it's part of my meme's birthday yeah everybody say something nice about him oh and then what do people say have you ever gotten your birthday would be a lot better if you would have got the ball that's true i did not want people to see you out memes like is that does that ever happen to you because that's when it really gets dark no once they start yelling numbers that'd be a real shame if people you know yeah that would be real identify memes i look like i just look like every generic white male all right so if you see a generic white male in your neighborhood, just ask them if they ever got the lottery ball.
Yeah. Just to be safe.
Yeah. Okay.
Numbers. Seven.
Three. Oh.
It's his birthday. It was his birthday.
We'll go 30. I'll give you three.
No, no. You go.
No, no. I'll give you three.
It's not going to pop up. All right, Big Cat, take 30.
I'll take 30.

You take three.

No, you take three.

I'll take 30.

Are you okay with this?

Yeah.

All right.

Are you okay with this?

I'm fine with it.

You're not going to get it either way, so.

What if it pops up?

It's not going to.

Go ahead.

77.

99, Pug.

44.

21.

What was yours, Hank?

Seven. So for the record, Big Cat, you have three.
Memes has 30. 45.
45. Memes, just hypothetically, what would you do if three hits and you don't have it that day?

Can't punch the monitor because we would lose all the files.

Storm out?

Okay.

I've never seen you storm out.

Would you try to fist fight the person who got three?

Yes.

Okay.

I think he would punch the person closest to him.

Who's that person?

It's Max.

Max.

He'd punch Max.

That's Max.

Okay.

All right.

See you on Friday.