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Speaker 1 The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, March 5th.
Is that the odds of March?

Speaker 8 15th. 15th.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 8 Beware the odds of March. Beware the odds of March.
What is that? That's when Caesar got shanked.

Speaker 1 Beware the odds of March. I apologize.
I was going to say another bummer for the season from hell from the Mavs, but I got distracted. You're right.

Speaker 8 15th. 15th.
15th. March 4th was yesterday, and that's the only day of the year that's a complete sentence.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, March the 4th be with you. Yes.

Speaker 8 Is what the Star Wars page is. Yes, it is.
That's a fact. No, but yeah, Season from Hell for the Mavs.
So worse. Sucks for Kyrie.
I feel bad for him. I feel bad for Mavs fans.

Speaker 8 This has just been so shitty for you guys. Yeah.
And now Anthony Davis, according to Shoms, he and his representatives are huddling up right now. Oh, no.

Speaker 8 So they're all going to figure out whether or not Anthony Davis is going to return this year.

Speaker 1 You basically went from

Speaker 1 the window opening,

Speaker 1 incredible run to the finals last year. Luca, a superstar, your young bigs, you know, going to be big pieces.

Speaker 1 Kyrie, his whole career, like, you know, not rebirth, but he started to have fun playing basketball again to now we're sitting here at the Ides of March and

Speaker 1 Kyrie is out for the year with the torn ACL. Luca's on the Lakers, and Anthony Davis is huddling up.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they're huddling to determine whether or not they're going to. I'll tell you what's going to happen if they decide for him to come back.
He's going to have like a hamstring strain in game one.

Speaker 8 Yeah. It's going to be planned out like the Bay of Pigs, and then it's going to be over just as fast.
It's not a good situation for the Mavericks to be in.

Speaker 1 I feel bad for him just because

Speaker 1 this is the worst season Dallas fans have had to deal with since the 2024 Cowboys.

Speaker 8 Since this season. Yeah, this season.
And then the season before last.

Speaker 1 And then the season before last.

Speaker 8 But Duke's good.

Speaker 1 Duke is good. Boyd Romo.
Yeah, that's good for them.

Speaker 1 I think it was put perfectly by a noted NBA insider.

Speaker 1 He said, it is bad that they don't have Luca anymore. Who said that? That was Pug.
Pug nailed it. Pug nailed it.
Pug absolutely nailed it. If you had Luca,

Speaker 8 you'd still be like, ah, this sucks. But yeah, maybe he'll be back next year.

Speaker 8 Probably not. But even so, we got Luka.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we got Luca.

Speaker 1 We'll make a run in the playoffs. We probably won't win it all, but we'll at least have some fun moments.
But it is bad that they don't have Luca anymore.

Speaker 8 That was the one thing that Dallas fans had for a long time. Even when the Cowboys weren't playing well, when Dak would get hurt, they'd be like, well, Luca's season coming up.
Luca.

Speaker 8 Luca holds it all together. Now it's like, yeah, Kyrie, he's got another...
Another season left on his contract, I think, right? I imagine he'll opt into that after this injury.

Speaker 8 I have no idea how NBA contracts work, but I think he has one more year left. Yeah.

Speaker 8 So he'll be back next year, hopefully, maybe.

Speaker 8 It just looked bad, but respected Kyrie for stepping up to the foul line while he was crying and then hitting the foul shots.

Speaker 1 Yes. That was kind of cool.
It's kind of like when Kobe did it with his Achilles.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that's the best thing that's happened to the Mavericks this year was Kyrie being able to hit those clutch free throws.

Speaker 1 I don't know. If you're a Mavs fan, I don't know what you just...
You just pretend this year didn't happen.

Speaker 5 Well, they also, if you're a season ticket holder,

Speaker 5 they got the notification that it's going to, prices are going to be up 8% next year.

Speaker 8 That was to help pay for Anthony Davis's medical bills. Yes.
And their insurance went up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Brutal.
I feel bad for Mavs fans.

Speaker 8 What do you think are the worst seasons?

Speaker 8 This has got to be one of the worst seasons, right?

Speaker 1 This has to be, I mean, given all the context.

Speaker 1 Given all the context, though, I think this has to be one of the worst seasons of all time.

Speaker 1 And I know that people are like, well, that's reactionary, but I'm just saying the context of finals run last year,

Speaker 1 like future seems super bright.

Speaker 1 And then to have everything fall apart and not just every, like you can deal with if Luca was injured but still on the Mavs, you're like, all right, season from hell, we'll be back next year.

Speaker 1 Everything fell apart, and your own team sabotaged your bright future because they traded away a top three guy.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's not good. I would say this, the White Sox had a season from hell, but that was just, that was different.

Speaker 1 That was almost by design. And that also like gets to comical level where it's like, holy shit, how many games are they going to lose? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, this is really bad.

Speaker 8 Browns 2024. Browns 2016.

Speaker 1 Browns 2024. What was Deshaun? That was this year.

Speaker 8 Yeah, but CI. Yeah, Jameis.
He had some bright spots in there. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think with sports, it's always like when

Speaker 1 a team is bad. It's like, all right, that was a bad season, but it's the expectations and then where it ends up.

Speaker 1 That's the combo. That's the deadly combo that the Mavs fans are dealing with right now.
Yeah. It's bad.
It's brutal.

Speaker 1 We also had,

Speaker 1 I'm going to assume, we're taping this in the afternoon. I'm going to assume LeBron has hit his 50th,000th point.
50,000 points.

Speaker 8 Congrats, LeBron.

Speaker 1 He was one shy the other night. I think everyone probably bet that he was going to score 18 points.

Speaker 8 That didn't work out. I thought he was going to have an empty netter at the end.

Speaker 1 Yeah. 50,000 is pretty insane.
Yeah. I know he's been in the center of all the who's the face of the league controversy, which isn't really controversy, but it is pretty nuts.

Speaker 1 We're not the number one LeBron podcast, but I also know how incredible he's been and

Speaker 1 two decades plus of being at the top of the NBA is insane when you think about it.

Speaker 8 I'm pretty clear on LeBron. He can be very frustrating and funny sometimes.
Very funny. He can be unintentionally hilarious.
He's one of, if not the best basketball player of all time.

Speaker 8 He's done a great job in terms of being in the public eye since he was, what, 16 years old? Yes. And not having any major scandals, not having anything like derail his career.
That's hard hard to do.

Speaker 8 I don't know how he's done it, but he's done a great job of it. I think you could actually make the case that LeBron James, he is top two basketball player of all time.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 8 He might be a better dad than basketball player.

Speaker 5 Could be.

Speaker 8 The fact that he got his son drafted. Yeah.
That's facts. He might actually be one of the best dads.
It's like him and God. Yeah.
I guess depending on which testament God you're looking at, probably.

Speaker 1 It is funny because the drafted thing, we didn't talk about that on Sunday when we were talking about the face of the league stuff.

Speaker 1 It is funny to throw that in there that LeBron was like, yeah, Brownie's better than a lot of guys in the NBA right now and doing that. And then being like, media, don't be mean to me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But he deserves credit. 50,000 points is insane.
Hank, would you like to give him credit? That's an insane amount of points. Yeah, credit where credit's due.

Speaker 5 Steroids.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. Oh, wow.
That was mean. That was ugly.
Hank, you might get sued. That was ugly.

Speaker 5 That wasn't related.

Speaker 1 We're just.

Speaker 5 Credit where credit's due, period.

Speaker 5 Steroids are illegal.

Speaker 1 Separate sections. Don't do them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 Gotcha. Okay, that's a good sentence.

Speaker 1 We were doing one minute of pro LeBron talk.

Speaker 1 And I gave him credit where it was due. Credit where credit's due to 50,000 points.
Remember for the punishment, you were going to try to get his point total?

Speaker 5 Yeah. That was crazy.

Speaker 8 Do you guys think you've ever done 50,000 of anything in your life?

Speaker 1 Bets?

Speaker 8 You think

Speaker 8 you've made 50,000 bets?

Speaker 3 I don't know, maybe. Sunflower seeds.

Speaker 8 You think, yeah, all those years playing baseball for you? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Let me think about it. How many sunflower seeds do you think are in a bag?

Speaker 8 Max, that's actually a genius answer. Yep.
Yeah. How many are in a bag?

Speaker 8 300.

Speaker 1 Piss?

Speaker 1 Piss for sure. I think I might have 50,000 bets.
You might have done 50,000 bets.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's probably in like the multiple thousands a year.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I just don't know if I've done anything 50,000 times.

Speaker 1 Piss,

Speaker 1 bets,

Speaker 1 no, I was gonna say eat ice cream, probably not. That's a lot of ice cream.

Speaker 8 50,000 meals?

Speaker 1 50,000 meals sounds right.

Speaker 8 So 900

Speaker 8 to a thousand, let's say 1,000 meals a year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Nope.

Speaker 1 No?

Speaker 1 No. Less.
Thousands.

Speaker 1 So that's 40,000 meals. Golf shots?

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Think about how many you take just randomly on the simulator.

Speaker 5 I've only been playing for five years. If I played my whole life, then yeah, but like,

Speaker 5 what?

Speaker 5 110 around?

Speaker 1 What about meatballs? No. Max.
Meatballs?

Speaker 1 Nah. No, they're talented.

Speaker 8 You had to have something small.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I've probably played 50,000 notes on the guitar.

Speaker 1 I've taken 50,000 steps.

Speaker 8 Yeah, 50,000 steps. There you go.
That's huge. I've not thought about Michael Sam 50,000 times.
That's awesome. Probably leading all-time record for that.

Speaker 5 Yeah. 50,000 minutes podcasted.

Speaker 1 Yes. We have to have hit that.
Yeah, but minutes is different.

Speaker 8 It's like minutes spent doing something as opposed to doing the actual task. We couldn't say 50,000 pods.

Speaker 1 Also, is our 500th show coming up soon? Yeah. I think so.
I think it's this one. I think it might be this one.
Huge, huge. All right.
So, and then the NFL. Saquon got a new contract.
Zoom worked.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Are running backs overvalued in the NFL now?

Speaker 1 They might be.

Speaker 8 I don't think I'd ever pay a running back.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 What was the deals of his term?

Speaker 1 The terms of his deal?

Speaker 8 It was two years, $41 million, I believe.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's pretty good.

Speaker 8 It put it over 20 million no running back has ever been paid that much i think there's what at least a dozen maybe two dozen receivers who make that much money good for him but good for him happy for saquon he deserves it again it goes back to like him and and derrick henry they are worth that much money yeah to be a piece on a good team yes agreed but they are not worth that much money like if you're a bad team paying them that much doesn't make sense.

Speaker 8 Yes. But it is better to pay him that much money than it is to pay a quarterback who's not very good a lot of money.
Correct.

Speaker 1 A Daniel Jones, if you would.

Speaker 8 Hypothetically.

Speaker 1 Max, what do you think about that? Also, you cut Darius Slay.

Speaker 3 And James Bradbury.

Speaker 1 Getting rid of

Speaker 8 all your secondary.

Speaker 3 James Bradbury, I don't think, was active for a single game this year.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 Super Bowl champion.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl champion, though. He gets a ring.

Speaker 3 And he was a good vet in the locker room. Apparently, he did all the right things.
He was never upset about it.

Speaker 3 So shout out James Bradbury. But Saquon deserved it.
I also think how he's doing,

Speaker 3 there's got to be some cap reasoning.

Speaker 1 He's up to something? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Restructuring?

Speaker 3 I think

Speaker 3 that had to have been part of it. How he had a great game.

Speaker 3 How he just moves money back all the time. So I think somehow he probably restructured it that he's getting more money

Speaker 3 with the extension.

Speaker 11 Miles Garrett.

Speaker 3 This is bad podcasting. I stopped my sentence midway just so I could do the fingers.

Speaker 8 Yeah, Max, we were getting to a little debate over the weekend and on Monday's show about how I was maybe overreacting to the Commanders getting Miles Garrett, but now it's more even between the Eagles and the Commanders.

Speaker 8 Now, actually, the Browns have retaken the lead on that.

Speaker 3 The Browns had always had the lead when we.

Speaker 3 I always knew. I was saying other than the Browns.

Speaker 11 Okay, other than the Browns.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 3 He's probably just going to stay with the Browns. The Browns are probably going to be like, Miles Garrett's the best player in the league.
We're not giving him up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But no, I contract.

Speaker 8 Listen, Howie is always cooking something.

Speaker 1 He's got something cooking.

Speaker 8 It must be fun to be an Eagles fan because you get to see any possible free agent or any possible trainer and be like, that seems like a Howie deal. Yeah.
Howie's working the phones.

Speaker 1 The only two tags we ended up getting because the deadline is passed is T. Higgins and Trey Smith.
And so T.

Speaker 1 Higgins, the Bengals released that they tagged him and they were working on a new long-term deal. I actually think the Bengals might be able to pay everyone.

Speaker 8 Do you think so? I don't know. I would.
Sure.

Speaker 1 Figure it out. You could just pay everyone.

Speaker 8 If he doesn't get a new deal and he goes into the second year in a row on the franchise tag, which is, you know, it's still a lot of money, but it's still bullshit. It's not guaranteed.

Speaker 8 There's nothing in the future. I guess this one year is guaranteed, but there's nothing past that.

Speaker 8 What's the over-under for amount of weeks that he plays before he has an injury that they can't figure out how severe it is?

Speaker 1 Can it be negative?

Speaker 8 Would you put it at half a week? You think he's playing?

Speaker 1 Well, I'm saying, yeah, can it be TMB Training Camp? Can it be...

Speaker 8 Yeah, does he play week one or does he have a calf injury?

Speaker 1 The franchise tag is kind of bullshit for a guy like T. Higgins, where it's like, dude, just, I don't know, figure it out.
I know it's a lot of of money. What is it? What's it going to end up being?

Speaker 8 Probably, I have no idea. In the 20s?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would say maybe even in the 30s. No, probably not the 30s.
Wide receiver franchise tag. Let's figure this out.
Franchise tag price. Either way, he wants his guaranteed money, deserves it.

Speaker 1 I agree. $21,000, $22,000, pretty much.

Speaker 1 That was for last year. Okay.
So it might. Million.

Speaker 1 Million. $22 million.
Sorry.

Speaker 1 It would be interesting, though, because if they sign Jamar Chase to a new deal, that would also...

Speaker 8 Impact. That's like giving him a raise.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 be like, hey, don't worry, we'll get you on the back end.

Speaker 8 That's cool. I wonder if Jamar Chase thought about that when he was negotiating.
Like, I need more money in the first year

Speaker 8 because that makes T's franchise tag worth more.

Speaker 1 I'm sure T. Higgins would be totally thrilled with that explanation.
Yeah. Like, hey, we're paying Jamar Chase this much money, but guess what?

Speaker 1 It actually means that you get another half a million dollars.

Speaker 8 Yeah. He'd be like, great, fuck you.

Speaker 8 There's one other thing that Howie did, Max. I don't know if you saw that quote.
You see his quote about winning Super Bowls?

Speaker 8 I did not see it. It's pretty good.
He said, the first one is almost like having sex for the first time. You're just so happy you had sex.
It's not even the quality of it.

Speaker 8 The second time, it's like I can almost have fun and enjoy this.

Speaker 8 I like that.

Speaker 3 I need him to have more sex, though.

Speaker 1 He's only had sex.

Speaker 1 I want him to like on the bonk list.

Speaker 3 Is that a bonk list?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you want Howie Row listening to you.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 3 but it's a metaphor.

Speaker 8 No, that's supporting the boys.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 You want your boys to get laid. Correct.
Imagine losing your virginity to Nick Foles.

Speaker 1 That would hurt. That would be bad.
That would hurt.

Speaker 8 He probably didn't even enjoy that Super Bowl at all.

Speaker 1 That would hurt a lot. Probably couldn't walk for a week after that.
Yeah. That would not be good.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Howie's up to something. He's up to something.
So are we officially in the non-tampering zone of free agency?

Speaker 8 Yeah, fuck it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Let's just say fuck it. Fuck it.

Speaker 1 Let's start tampering. Tamper away.

Speaker 8 Also, Devontae Adams got released. Yes.
So he will probably co-attend whatever job interview that Aaron Rodgers goes on, like in Step Brothers. Yeah.
That's probably ski vacation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's exactly what they're going to do.

Speaker 8 You think he'd want to play in Las Vegas?

Speaker 1 I can't see my Raiders uniform.

Speaker 3 Six days away from.

Speaker 1 Six days from the non-tampering?

Speaker 1 Start tampering.

Speaker 3 NFL's legal tampering period, aka free agency, is one week away. You know what?

Speaker 8 I hereby declare legal tampering open.

Speaker 1 I will look the other way if anyone wants to tamper right now. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Do you think A.J. Brown is going to stay a Philadelphia Eagle match?

Speaker 1 Oh, is that a question?

Speaker 3 This is going off of the Patriots reached out to see if A.J. Brown was available.

Speaker 1 Well, good thing we released the tampering period. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Did they reach out to Howie or did they reach out to AJ?

Speaker 3 I don't know. I saw an aggregator tweet about this, which seems like a big nothing.

Speaker 8 Yeah, did you get aggregated, Hank?

Speaker 1 No, the Patriots want him. Aggregated.
Every team should want A.J. Brown.

Speaker 5 He's really good. They don't have his former coach as their new head coach.
Traded him away.

Speaker 1 Oh, memes just threw and traded him away. That wasn't him.

Speaker 1 He was the coach then.

Speaker 5 There's a video of him in the war room.

Speaker 1 Hank's done his research. Hanks come with the research.
You didn't expect that, memes.

Speaker 10 He was traded away under Mike Vrabel's tenure.

Speaker 1 Didn't expect that. Ah, that's not really.

Speaker 5 He's not the one that totally takes away.

Speaker 8 Do you think that Mike Vrabel wanted to trade A.J. Brown?

Speaker 7 Yeah, probably.

Speaker 8 Probably fucking hates him. Oh.
I don't think that's what happened.

Speaker 5 So then why would they call the Eagles to see if he's available?

Speaker 1 You got aggregated. Oh, aggregated.
Wait, so they didn't.

Speaker 5 You're saying the Patriots didn't call the Eagles?

Speaker 1 No. That's a heavy accusation to lay on someone else, tell them they got aggregated.
They got aggregated. That's fucked up.

Speaker 8 Memes would never get aggregated.

Speaker 1 Never. No.
Ever. Memes.
Where's Devontae Adams going to go? And are you sad? I'm going to say San Francisco. What was your favorite Devontae Adams highlight?

Speaker 1 Was it when he popped out behind Aaron Rodgers on the McAfee show? That was cool. Oh, he had one.

Speaker 1 I liked his tackle that he made against the Steelers. Oh, that's good.

Speaker 8 He had one great release, too.

Speaker 8 Did you see that release? The Texans? I think it was against the Texans. He did a little sidestep at the line of scrimmage, broke a guy's ankles.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was cool.

Speaker 8 I think it was like an 11-yard gain.

Speaker 10 No, but thinking of the touchdown.

Speaker 1 So, overall, Devontae Adams, as a jet, graded.

Speaker 7 Gonna go C-

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Wow. That's very generous.

Speaker 8 He wasn't the most disappointing missing piece.

Speaker 1 No, he was electric. He was incredible.

Speaker 7 He gave that speech that fired up the team that Aaron Rodgers said was life-changing.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 the life-changing speech. Changed everyone's life.
That's exactly right.

Speaker 1 Okay, do we have anything else going on in the world of sports?

Speaker 8 Sam Darnold will not be franchise tagged. Yes.

Speaker 1 Situation is fluid.

Speaker 8 It's very fluid. I guess he could go back to Minnesota at this point.
Yeah. Or he could be a giant.

Speaker 1 He could be a giant. That would be very funny.
Yeah, I just, I love whenever a situation is fluid. Yeah.
I think he's going to be a Raider.

Speaker 8 You think so?

Speaker 1 I think he's going to be a Raider. I don't know where that puts.
I think Aaron Rodgers is going to be a giant.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 Adam's going to be a giant as well.

Speaker 8 I think I would like to see Sam back in New York.

Speaker 1 Back.

Speaker 1 Back in the New York Groove. Groove.

Speaker 1 Back.

Speaker 1 Back in the New York Groove. The New York Groove.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Want to do Hot C, Cool Terran? Sure. We got two great interviews coming up.
Uh,

Speaker 1 very, very fun interviews.

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Speaker 5 My hot seat is not really a hot seat, it's more of a hat tip around the horn.

Speaker 5 ESPN announced today that they will host their final episode Friday, May 23rd.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 5 That made me a little sad a little missal.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Ides of May,

Speaker 5 PTI around the horn every single day after school.

Speaker 5 It's just sad. Times are changing.

Speaker 1 It is sad. Yeah, it is sad.

Speaker 8 Woody Page must have run out of shit to put on his blackboard. That's the only excuse I can think.

Speaker 1 Why are they getting rid of it? Is there a reason? Ratings, or is it just run its course?

Speaker 8 Nothing? Don't know. No followers.
Well, I think they announced that they were going to get rid of it a while ago, but now they have a date.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 8 That they put on it. So, I mean.

Speaker 8 You can't get rid of a sports program like that during football season. No.
But late May, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Just let it go out.

Speaker 8 Yeah, people won't, they're not going to realize it's gone until August, and then they'll be like, wait, I need to hear people scream at each other.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Round the Horn PTI back in like the early 2000s was that was peak.

Speaker 8 PTI is still good, by the way.

Speaker 1 Oh, PTI is still great. I'm just saying, like, that was when it was, because PTI was very new and refreshing when it started, and those guys are still awesome together.

Speaker 1 But I'm just saying, like, that stretch where it was just, especially because it was before smartphones, so your sports news came from those two. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah. And I think that's what made the early Round of Horns so great, too, was the panelists that they'd have on, they had those relationships, and they would get, like, pissed off at each other.

Speaker 8 They'd yell at each other. Right.

Speaker 1 And it was great. And they figured out.

Speaker 11 Mariati.

Speaker 8 They figured out. Yeah, Mariatti was the GOAT.
They figured out a way to make talking to each other about sports a sport. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And the point system that made no sense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Tony Reali seems like one of like the best dudes ever.

Speaker 8 Yeah, seems like a solid guy.

Speaker 1 I feel like no one's ever said a bad word about Tony Reali.

Speaker 5 no and this program won't either no yeah yeah tony rialli and tj lavin i feel like they were like kind of like related they they always looked the same to me and they were iconic hosts of the early 2000s we gotta go visit our friend tj i know yeah i love tj can't you see them like they're like yeah like cousins i can see what you're saying uh and then my cool throne is embracing the bait

Speaker 5 we didn't talk about this uh

Speaker 5 Travis Hunter at the Combine said that him playing offense and defense is harder than Shohei playing offense and defense.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 okay.

Speaker 1 Embrace that. No.

Speaker 1 And I think he's right. Wait, but

Speaker 1 what he does on the football field

Speaker 1 is harder than

Speaker 1 pitching and hitting?

Speaker 1 Playing offense and defense, every baseball player does that. No,

Speaker 5 obviously. Right.
Being a professional pitcher and a professional. Being a professional cornerback and a professional wide receiver.

Speaker 5 At the same time, playing in the same game.

Speaker 8 I feel like it would be a better comparison if Travis Hunter was a cornerback and a quarterback.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think Shohei still clears.
Why? Well, we've seen it.

Speaker 8 It's a more specialized position. And we've seen it.
There's so much crossover between like...

Speaker 5 Hitting is not a specialized position.

Speaker 8 No, but I'm saying

Speaker 8 there's a lot of crossover between if you're playing corner, if you're playing wide receiver, there's a lot of the same skills that you would use for both of those.

Speaker 8 Shohei as a pitcher and then as a hitter, it's completely different.

Speaker 1 I also think I don't know about that. There's a lot of pitchers that can hit.

Speaker 5 And there's a lot of others that can pitch.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 There's not a lot of pitchers that can hit like Shohei can hit.

Speaker 1 There's not a lot of hitters that can pitch like Tontrell Willis.

Speaker 5 No one can.

Speaker 1 Killo Zambrano.

Speaker 1 Big Z could hit.

Speaker 3 This is bad.

Speaker 1 No one can pitch.

Speaker 1 No pitcher has been able to pitch and hit the way Shohei hits. And no hitter has been able to hit and pitch the way Shohei pitches.

Speaker 5 And no person has successfully. I guess he hasn't done it yet.

Speaker 1 There have been other guys

Speaker 5 that have successfully played both snaps all game.

Speaker 3 Well, you haven't seen it in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Yeah, in the NFL, maybe not.

Speaker 8 Sonny Ball.

Speaker 1 But you can't say this until he does it.

Speaker 1 Some of these guys could do both.

Speaker 8 I think Sonny Ball led the league in touchdown passes, interceptions, and punting in a season.

Speaker 5 I mean, Troy Brown

Speaker 5 Edelman played both, but not successful. I guess it will see after the season if he's successfully able to do both.

Speaker 1 I think what Shohe's doing is still one of the most insane things. It is crazy, yes.
And I love Travis Travis Hunter. We'll see if he can do it again if he's a husband.

Speaker 1 That's a fucking good point.

Speaker 1 God damn it. You're on your game today.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 I have no response to that.

Speaker 8 Travis Hunter doesn't have any gambling scandal connections to him.

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter doesn't have

Speaker 1 MOB World Series. He doesn't have a World Series ring.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but I mean, Shohei didn't even play.

Speaker 1 He only played one position.

Speaker 8 But can Shohei go live on Twitch?

Speaker 5 Probably not.

Speaker 1 I don't think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't think so.

Speaker 8 Could he pull like Travis Pull?

Speaker 1 He got us with the Heisenberg. Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 1 Embrace debate. Yeah.

Speaker 8 This is why we debate. This is

Speaker 1 how it's done.

Speaker 8 That was Supreme Debate.

Speaker 1 Point Hank. Travis Hunter more impressive than Shohei Otani.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I will say that he has to hit people.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 On both sides.

Speaker 1 I will start

Speaker 1 agreeing. Shohei doesn't even play the field.
I'll start agreeing with

Speaker 1 what you're saying.

Speaker 5 How hard can that be?

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter is able to do this in the pros because that will be insane.

Speaker 1 I think he'll have packages on offense, but I don't think any team's going to let him play that many snaps in the pros.

Speaker 5 I feel like that's what he said wasn't he.

Speaker 8 No, I think he's going to be.

Speaker 5 He made the switch to Colorado. It's like, oh, it's different now that he's, you know, D1.
But that's

Speaker 1 double the chance of getting injured.

Speaker 8 I think he's going to try to do it.

Speaker 3 I still don't think you want to. Like, he would have to be the best corner and the best receiver in the the league.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Shoe's not the best pitcher, but he's up there. He's up there.
He's up there.

Speaker 3 He is up there. He's the best hitter in the league, and he would have to be a.

Speaker 1 He'd have to be the best wide receiver and a top five, top 10 cornerback, would be the comparable.

Speaker 3 He would be an all-pro and if MLB had all-pro like the NFL does, he would be an all-pro in both.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 5 If he stayed healthy and played both.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's a good point. Why are you putting that on him? Gotcha.
Because he didn't. He didn't.
He did not. He did not.
And

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 showhei eventually will just go you will just be hitting eventually yeah but we'll see how much more he can pitch i hope he can keep pitching

Speaker 8 hank kind of bodied well also a counterpoint though hank this is one thing i learned watching around the horn you have to say the hardest thing to do in sports is hitting a baseball i also don't think hank actually believes what he's arguing he just wants to be the other side of the argument which is a good which is a good role to have no i don't think you actually believe no we are inside.

Speaker 5 I think there's a better chance of another Shohei Otani coming around than another Travis Hunter.

Speaker 1 No, that's not right. That's not right.

Speaker 1 Show Ross. That's way more physically demanding.
That's just not right. What do you just said? What do you mean that's more physically demanding? What you just said is just not right.

Speaker 8 Yeah, Hank, who else has done it at Shohei's level ever?

Speaker 1 Babe Ruth. And

Speaker 1 100 years ago. When they didn't let black people have a lot of people.
It's been 100 years.

Speaker 5 Well, they didn't have the DH in in the NL till like two years ago.

Speaker 8 So? What?

Speaker 3 They had it in the AL?

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's not on the AL team.

Speaker 1 Where was he two years ago? What is that? Oh, okay. Now Hank's losing.
Now Hank's losing. Go back to the Heisman.

Speaker 8 How many picks does he have?

Speaker 1 It's a good debate. That was a good fucking debate.

Speaker 1 You agree? Yes. Embrace the debate.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 we leave. We get outside the white lines.
We're friends again. Yep.
Inside the white lines, we're enemies.

Speaker 8 I still think Hank won, though. Yeah, I mean, the Heisman thing just crippled him.
He got off to a hot start. We couldn't catch him.

Speaker 1 That brought me to my knees. Yeah.
All right, PFT.

Speaker 8 My hot seat is the Houston Rodeo. I think it was a Houston Rodeo.

Speaker 8 It was a rodeo that was happening right outside NRG Stadium, or they were loading in for the rodeo to take place at NRG Stadium, and a bull got out and ran away.

Speaker 8 I think it might still be on the loose right now. We got a runaway bull in Houston.

Speaker 8 And according to the Texas Livestock Committee, they have a name for it when a bull escapes and gets out in the wild. Okay.

Speaker 1 Is it just O shit?

Speaker 8 No, it's not O shit. It's called a Johnny Football.
Oh. So we have a currently happening Johnny football.
We need to get the choppers in the air and chase this thing down.

Speaker 8 But this thing is just steamrolling people on the sidewalks of Houston. It's pretty great.
Like, there's a guy wearing a neon vest that steps in front to try to stop it.

Speaker 8 And the bull is just like, no, I'm not, I don't care about your neon vest.

Speaker 8 He's like blowing a whistle at it. Bull doesn't care.
Bull just goes through. Anyways, it's a cool video to watch.
And it's rodeo season. That is cool.

Speaker 8 My other hot seat is: I'm just going to say it, Blake's on my hot seat right now. Uh-oh.
Blake got putting time out at daycare again today. This has happened a couple times.

Speaker 8 He's grabbing dogs by the collar and walking them around.

Speaker 10 I love that.

Speaker 8 Alpha. I don't like that.
I don't like that behavior from him.

Speaker 1 He's taking other dogs. It's the fun uncles.
We love them. Yeah, this is fun uncle's behavior.

Speaker 8 We're going to have to have a talk when I get home because he can't be doing this.

Speaker 1 And why, Max? What do you know about owning a dog?

Speaker 3 Dog life is tough.

Speaker 3 Dog life is tough.

Speaker 1 Max said reality just hit him that he got a dog. It's cute.
And then

Speaker 1 you gotta train the dog and live with the dog.

Speaker 8 There's a lot that goes into it. And think about the dog.

Speaker 3 I love my dog. It's been I've been I've been single dog parent this week, and it's just sucked.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 3 I've just been going back and forth from the office.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Honestly, it has me on edge.

Speaker 3 I'm yelling at everybody today.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. I'm yelling at everybody today.
A whole dog just to yourself? Yeah. That's a lot of responsibility.

Speaker 3 Dogs are harder than kids.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yep. I agree, Max.

Speaker 8 Preach, Max.

Speaker 1 Good name.

Speaker 8 I've been doing it.

Speaker 1 What if you have three and what do you have three kids and a dog? But then the dogs. The kids get to take care of each other.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right.
That's right.

Speaker 8 The dog helps to raise the kids.

Speaker 1 The dog definitely gets in line when the kids show up.

Speaker 8 Stops being a dog.

Speaker 8 I get a call like once every, I'd say three weeks from his daycare.

Speaker 8 And when I see it pop up on my my phone I'm like oh fuck what did he do just the same as you would if you got a call from your kid's school being like oh shit he's in trouble right now so I got the call pick up they're like yeah he's been uh he's been walking other dogs around they're not liking it but he won't stop doing it and he we can't think of anything to do to make him stop there's one thing that I've learned that I can do to make Blake stop doing whatever it is he's doing and he like freezes and looks at me like oh fuck I'm in big trouble and if it's if I make this sound it's

Speaker 8 oh that sound he fucking hates that sound I couldn't figure out a cream pie guy i couldn't i couldn't figure out why

Speaker 8 and then it dawned on me the only other time i've seen him give me that look is when he was laying on the couch one time and i farted on him and he he stood up and he stared at me he was like what the fuck was that bro that's it i think he thinks that i'm farting every time i make that sound at him so i'm just gonna have to go home and either fart on him or just make that noise damn he's in trouble though Blake, if you're listening, I still love you very much.

Speaker 1 I think I'd still rather get

Speaker 8 about Stella than one of my kids at school no he max he doesn't get it you don't get it you don't get it you don't get it one's a human

Speaker 1 yeah but humans can understand

Speaker 1 they can understand words human you can't just go to your son and he's got a soft

Speaker 1 school calls me i'm like my my immediate thought is something really bad happened to my human

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 8 yeah when i get a call i'm like oh something really bad happened to my dogs yeah and it's pretty bad yeah i'm still pissed at hank for the otani thing

Speaker 1 He fought at you in Supreme Debate. What did he say? No.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I've been yelling. I just got to stop yelling.

Speaker 5 You're literally mad. You have to go eat tonight dinner a couple of times.

Speaker 1 Oh, you would be in tears right now.

Speaker 1 You would have been crying for a week. No, break it off.
Oh, that dude's challenge.

Speaker 5 I'd probably do 50 to 11. Oh,

Speaker 1 all right. My hot.
My cool throne. Oh, sorry.
My cool throne. Sorry.

Speaker 8 My cool throne, Pete Rose.

Speaker 1 Ah.

Speaker 8 Because Pete Rose might get reinstated into baseball.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 8 Now, he is dead, but Rob Manford is considering allowing him to be reinstated and therefore maybe putting him in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 He got pardoned.

Speaker 8 He got pardoned, and then I think

Speaker 8 a quote from Pete came out from before he died that said, after I die, they'll reinstate me at that point, which

Speaker 8 it was a lifetime ban. Right.
The operative word being life.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 8 He's no longer alive.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 8 He's dead. So the ban should have already been lifted.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it would make sense.

Speaker 1 I mean, from everything I've heard from the Pete Rose, I always thought he should have been in the Hall of Fame, but it did feel like Pete Rose never had actual remorse for anything he did.

Speaker 8 Never.

Speaker 1 At all. Never.

Speaker 8 He just incrementally apologized for more and more things, but also said more lies about what he didn't do.

Speaker 1 I think someone told a story once that

Speaker 1 he had a big meeting with, I think it was either Selig or Manfred,

Speaker 1 basically trying to show contrition, and then he just walked across the street and went right to the sports book. Yeah.
And it was just like, all right.

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 8 he did not,

Speaker 8 the man liked to gamble. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. My hot seat is UPFT.
Do we think that

Speaker 1 the hit show Tard Knox, the naming of it, has maybe ended Hard Knocks at UNC?

Speaker 8 The Tard Nox curse?

Speaker 1 I think you dropped it on Sunday, and then on Tuesday, they're like, yeah, we're not doing it.

Speaker 8 I think somebody from HBO listened to the show and was like, everyone's going to be calling it Tard Knox. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think we can't have this. Yeah.
It was a good name. It was a good name, but it's no longer.

Speaker 8 So what happened there?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 8 Bill Belichick struggles with commitment.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But Bob Diaco is back.
He's on the staff.

Speaker 8 Love Bob Diaco. So are they going to try to get a professional team to do it, or are they going to just try to find another college team?

Speaker 1 Hard knocks, you can do the PMT. Yeah.
You're welcome to do it. Pardon.
For the right price.

Speaker 1 Pardon. Pard knocks.
Doesn't the NFL have to do it? That's what I always thought. I always thought so, too.

Speaker 1 Does it just demand?

Speaker 8 I think they have to do the regular hard knocks, but to do the off-season hard knocks, since it's like a new thing, they might just be like, no, fuck you. We don't want to do that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. My other hot seat is...

Speaker 5 Are we good? No one asked for more hard. I mean, the in-season one's not bad.

Speaker 1 The in-season one I liked. The training camp one or the OTA, I don't care.
But the

Speaker 1 in-season I actually enjoy just because it's one of those stupid tricks you play on your brain. It's like seeing yourself on a jumbotron.
You're like, oh, I'm right there. I'm right here.

Speaker 1 When you watch in-season hard knocks and you're watching it, you say, oh, I remember watching that game. Yeah.

Speaker 8 That was cool. Are you watching it with somebody that isn't a big football fan? And you're like, I know what's going to happen.
Yeah, right. They're setting you up for something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's pretty cool to watch. Also, my hot seat,

Speaker 1 are we good with Canada or no? I'm good with Canada. I'm good with Canada.

Speaker 8 It seems like they just, they put a retaliatory tariff on us.

Speaker 1 Oh, we're in a tariff off.

Speaker 8 We're in a tariff off, and I'm hearing that it might get resolved tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Okay. So

Speaker 8 shortest war ever.

Speaker 1 I don't want to hate Canada. No, I like Canadian.
I got no beef with Canada.

Speaker 8 I got no beef with the Canadian people.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. My cool throne is the bonk list because ask and you shall receive our guy, PMT Stats, who does a great job, has updated the bonk list.

Speaker 1 So I'm sure he'll send it to you, memes. But so far, the standings through

Speaker 1 this year are PFT.

Speaker 5 I thought it was a competition.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, that was how it started.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think I was.
I think I just started it. No, we started it because we had a debate of who's hornier.

Speaker 8 I said Big Cat was hornier.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was like, PFT is hornier. He makes more sex jokes, and then we started the bonk list.
PFT, you are in the lead right now with five.

Speaker 8 Well, who is so? PMT stats, I appreciate it. Met him.
Great dude. I appreciate all the work that he does.
But how are we?

Speaker 8 He's just going based on what he thinks is a horny comment.

Speaker 1 Well, probably when we say bonk list. Okay.
All right. I'm in second at four.
Hank, you have two. Max and memes, both asexual.
Zero. All right.

Speaker 1 Also, Daryl Maury's on the bonk list because there was Kesha had an Instagram where it was just her butt was out and he liked it.

Speaker 10 And it's just kind of a funny thing.

Speaker 8 What post is that?

Speaker 1 Hold on, I bookmarked. Okay, yeah, show it.
I'll send it to you.

Speaker 1 It's just a funny vision. I like Kesha.
I love Kesha. She has bangers.
It's just a funny visual of just seeing Kesha with her butt out and then Daryl Maury liked by. Good job, Daryl.

Speaker 8 I like that, Daryl.

Speaker 1 He's getting horny with it.

Speaker 1 Okay. I'm going to have to look this up in bookmark it, too.
Yeah. But don't bonk him.
That was just research.

Speaker 1 Max memes, you guys have anything to say about being asexual?

Speaker 10 I got to step my game up. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Sorry, I respect women.

Speaker 1 Do you?

Speaker 1 Sounds like you don't. Yeah, it sounds like you don't.
Sounds like you guys look at

Speaker 1 sexual objects.

Speaker 8 No, no.

Speaker 1 I'd say out of those five,

Speaker 8 I'm going to guess that

Speaker 8 two of them have just been.

Speaker 1 Joey had 60 stolen bases last year.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yes, he doesn't have to play the field.
How can you respecting women so much to say that they're attractive and you want to have sex with them? That's the ultimate respect.

Speaker 1 No? Okay.

Speaker 1 Max is literally just looking up more stats.

Speaker 8 Yeah, is it disrespectful to women to go on their Instagram and say, I like this picture that you took and you uploaded?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm appreciating their work.
Is it disrespectful to

Speaker 1 go on Twitter and see a woman post something and say, I would pay a million dollars just for you to fart in a cup for me? No, that's just respecting their work.

Speaker 1 Come on, Max.

Speaker 8 Is it disrespectful to say, AJ Titties, I would drink your bath water? Or is it supporting a small business?

Speaker 5 Is it disrespectful to say, who's back of the week, Casey Anthony?

Speaker 5 Or you just really like murderers? Right.

Speaker 8 Who'd said that?

Speaker 1 You did it. Well, she's back.

Speaker 8 She is back. And I am fascinated with her.

Speaker 1 The murdering part?

Speaker 8 I'm fascinated with her as a liar. Okay.
she is like what a top five liar of all time casey anthony looks like susan boyle do you care no

Speaker 8 i don't and the thing is i don't know who susan boyle is it's the uh the

Speaker 1 talent british i was gonna say yeah yeah yeah oh yeah i mean even if if casey anthony looked like almost anybody besides casey anthony would not care yeah um yeah max why don't you start respecting women a little bit more i very very much respect women.

Speaker 1 Doesn't sound like it.

Speaker 1 You got another Shohei stat for us? You're deep into stats right now. I can see that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, he finished fourth in Cy Young one year.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 Wow. What is that? Is that in the AL?

Speaker 3 What does that mean?

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 8 Now, I want to defend Daryl Moray real quick.

Speaker 5 That was the Heisman Even.

Speaker 1 All right, do they invite four people to the Heisman to New York?

Speaker 3 The Heisman is college.

Speaker 5 I know, but I'm just talking awards.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Shohei does not have one.

Speaker 3 He has two MVPs.

Speaker 1 Does not have a Heisman.

Speaker 8 But on this post, he might have just been liking the caption because the caption was, Fuck Kanye. Oh.
Love to two chains. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 So that might be it. Yeah.
Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is Jacksonville Jaguars head coach Liam Cohn.

Speaker 1 First of all, coach, thank you for joining us. We're at the Combine.
How does it feel just right off the rip? Are you getting used to the fact that you're being introduced as a head coach now?

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's a dream, man. Dream come true.
Obviously, grew up in this deal, right? Watched my dad do it at a really young age. Grew up in sidelines in coaches' offices and locker rooms.

Speaker 7 And I always wanted to be him. You know, I wanted to be him.
And to be able to do it on this stage with this opportunity. Can't thank Shad Khan enough for this.

Speaker 1 So I read a story about you growing up that like even when you were five years old, you weren't playing with like ninja turtles, you were drawing up plays.

Speaker 1 Is that like a tall tale or is that actually what it was when you were a kid? You were just drawing up the wishbone offense.

Speaker 7 That was real.

Speaker 7 I think that was probably dad

Speaker 7 pushing that narrative in ways, but it was our passion. That was our shared bond.

Speaker 7 It was football. It was sports.
It It was basketball. It was baseball.
It was all sports.

Speaker 7 You know, that's been life at a very young age. And unfortunately for my wife, I don't have a lot of other tools in life.
But football is something that ultimately I've done for a really long time.

Speaker 8 Do you use any of those plays that you drew up when you were five?

Speaker 7 Dude, the wing tee, a lot of the wing tee principles that we used in a lot of our 21-pony stuff with the two-back and the gap schemes and some of the GT stuff we did with the misdirection.

Speaker 7 It was really a process from the wing tee, which is what I ran and what my dad ran back in the day.

Speaker 1 So when you were playing, because you played college ball, was there a moment even when you were playing college ball, you're like, I know I'm not going to be playing anymore, but I'm going to be a coach.

Speaker 1 Was that like, when did that happen?

Speaker 7 Like my senior year, I had a pretty, my elbow was shot. I was getting shot up every Wednesday to practice and Saturday to play.
And so knew that was falling off. The cliff was falling off.

Speaker 7 Too many curveballs as a 10-year-old. And it just wasn't going in that direction.
I went and trained, and Matt Nagy actually was training me at the time in Lancaster PA.

Speaker 7 And I just knew it wasn't really going to be in the future. So I had an opportunity to go to Brown really early on.

Speaker 7 Mark Whipple actually helped kind of get me that job and knew from a very young age, I think, that this is what I wanted to do if I couldn't play.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I feel like Brown and Holy Cross are two schools where coaches know that's a great coaching school.

Speaker 8 What makes a great coaching school?

Speaker 7 Man, Maine, too, I would say a lot of good coaches from that area, like that Northeast, you go with the Atlantic, old Atlantic 10, which became the CAA.

Speaker 7 And in the Ivy League, you just, you can get opportunities because, well, you're paying nothing at a young age. You can go in and you wear a lot of different hats.
So I was like the video coordinator

Speaker 7 in 2010. I'm the video coordinator, quarterbacks coach,

Speaker 7 recruited like 10 states, and you get an opportunity to develop. as a coach.
But, you know, I've met guys that have come into the NFL and not knowing how to make a copy, right?

Speaker 7 So you've got to be able to learn and give the ops. And I think that that's what some of those kind of programs do.
They give you an op to really kind of dive into it.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 so at what point,

Speaker 1 talk me through your Sean McVay coaching tree.

Speaker 1 His coaching tree is pretty insane. There was a joke that if you had a cup of coffee with Sean McVay, you're going to be a head coach.

Speaker 1 So you got the benefit of that, but how did you get introduced to Sean McVay?

Speaker 1 And like, I would assume we know him, you know, fairly well, but like impressing him to the point, it feels like he's got a pretty discerning eye in terms of who he's bringing into his group. Right.

Speaker 1 How were you able to like get into the Sean McVay like house?

Speaker 7 Yeah, so it was after the first year in 2017.

Speaker 7 Matt LaFleur ends up going to the Tennessee Titans to go call it. Zach Taylor gets promoted from assistant receivers coach to quarterbacks.
He doesn't name an offensive coordinator.

Speaker 7 A couple guys were on that staff. Shane Waldron was on that staff.
A couple guys that I knew. I knew Zach a little bit when he was at Cincinnati.

Speaker 7 I was at Maine. We played UConn, had a little bit of a familiarity there.
So knew a couple guys in the building, but ultimately

Speaker 7 it was a blind op. Like it was a blind op.
Michane, I knew a little bit, but it was a blind op. Those guys that I kind of were in the interview process against had connections to Sean.

Speaker 7 I had no connection to him. Came in.
I was the offensive coordinator at Maine. And then a quick stop at Holy Cross that I didn't even get to coach at.

Speaker 7 Go in, interview for the assistant receiver's job. And he's got me on the board doing, you know, protections.
He was drawing up an Abbey front, which we talk about, the split mug.

Speaker 7 It's the Zimmer stuff with the double A-gap mug stuff. And he's like, hey, man, how are you picking up nickel mic pressure out of this look?

Speaker 7 And I'm up on the board like, wait, I'm interviewing for the assistant receiver's job. Right.
And you got me talking protections. Right.
And I had never seen that, that look.

Speaker 7 And he's like, I turned to him. I said, I don't know what this is.
He's like, man, don't worry about it. It's new in the league.
We're just trying to ask a bunch bunch of people and figure it out.

Speaker 7 So it was an honest kind of opportunity.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And I felt like I ended up going and winning the job.

Speaker 1 When you go for that interview, do you have like one play in your back pocket? You're like, I'm going to fucking knock his socks off with this one. What is it?

Speaker 7 It was a play action concept with basically a Max Pro play action that I knew that they had run a few times with Deshaun Jackson when he was in Washington.

Speaker 7 It was like a deep V-cut pylon route, we call it, which is like an 18-yard, stick your foot in the ground, go to the back pylon, and then he would use reed on the sale concept and be able to chase it with it with a Max Pro play pass.

Speaker 7 I drew that one up. We had used it at Maine.

Speaker 7 And then really on third down, we drew up my favorite dropback concept was what we call pressure drive, which is an old, you know, old school West Coast concept that he had run for a long time.

Speaker 7 But the detail, right?

Speaker 7 It was like detailing that play, I think was cool to be able to talk through because, you know, when you get off the board and he's not really hitting you on a ton of different coaching points, you feel like at least you nailed it.

Speaker 7 Right.

Speaker 8 Do you have an overall coaching philosophy?

Speaker 7 Yeah, fast. That is what we talk about fast.
You know, fundamentally sound attacking, situational masters, and tough, both mentally and physically. So that's where it starts.
That's where it stems.

Speaker 7 I think that

Speaker 7 the mentally and physically tough part, though, is the one that we really want to talk about. We go into Tampa this past year.
They have the 32nd ranked run game in the NFL in the last two seasons.

Speaker 7 And we go and bring it to number four this past season. So it was buy-in.
It was all about toughness, physicality, the way that we wanted to play the game, our style of play.

Speaker 7 I mean, dude, Mike Evans is digging out support on safeties. He doesn't have to do that.

Speaker 7 And so we got him to that point. There was immediate buy-in.
I think that that's where it all kind of stemmed from.

Speaker 1 Wait, run through that acronym again? Fast.

Speaker 7 Okay. Yep, fundamentally sound.
Attacking.

Speaker 1 Already, not a great acronym if you have to use two words, but keep going.

Speaker 7 Fundamental.

Speaker 1 Attacking.

Speaker 7 Situational masters.

Speaker 1 Again, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 Situational.

Speaker 1 Situational. Wait, it's toughness.
Situational mastery.

Speaker 8 Is that one word or two?

Speaker 1 It's two. It's two words.
Okay, so situational.

Speaker 8 Phasmed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Situational masters.

Speaker 8 How do I achieve situational mastery?

Speaker 7 Dude, there's a lot of tape that we can go back and watch. Yeah.
I mean, we watch Super Bowls, two-minute drives, four-minute drives, clock management situations

Speaker 7 we try to show them the good and the bad, right? But from previous years. Like Belichick had this book.
Coach Belichick had a book.

Speaker 7 We thought it was like the Bible that you have, and it's been kind of passed along through a lot of different people.

Speaker 7 And he's got specific games, situations, when things came up to where you can go back and look at those situations still come up today. Yeah.

Speaker 8 We have a situational book. Do you really? Yeah, you want to ask him about the book?

Speaker 1 Our book? Yeah, yeah, we can ask him about the book. What's the T, though?

Speaker 7 Tough.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you kind of recovered at the end, but yeah, you've got to work on that. You can't.

Speaker 7 Come on.

Speaker 1 An acronym can't have multiple words in each one.

Speaker 7 I mean, it was pretty clean.

Speaker 1 Or situational faith.

Speaker 1 Fundamental.

Speaker 7 Situational masters.

Speaker 8 I forgot A already.

Speaker 1 Yeah, attacking.

Speaker 1 Attacking.

Speaker 8 Attacking. Fundamental.

Speaker 1 No, it's not fundamental. It's fundamental.

Speaker 1 There's two words, right? What's F? Fast.

Speaker 1 Fast.

Speaker 7 Fundamentally sound. Attacking.

Speaker 8 Fundamentally sound, attacking. Situational masters.
Situational masters. And Tough.

Speaker 1 Okay. D-minus.
Pretty close. So the fastest.
D-minus. Pretty easy.
But also the fast is also the easy.

Speaker 1 Ask Bake.

Speaker 7 I think he'll probably say it was pretty good.

Speaker 1 Listen, that was.

Speaker 7 I think those guys all bought in pretty good. Wait, who? Baker? The entire Tampa Beach.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Baker's a dog. Baker's a dog.
Wait, so yeah, let's do a little bit more.

Speaker 8 No, I was going to say, if you brought up Baker, I just want to see, do you feel bad making Baker have to meet another offensive coordinator?

Speaker 7 Bad.

Speaker 7 I don't feel, you know, it's not bad. It's unfortunate in ways because of the competitor, because of the person that he is.

Speaker 7 You know, we got really close. Obviously, we worked together in LA for those last kind of like five or six weeks.
He was paramount, you know, kind of in my

Speaker 7 evolution to coming to Tampa, like getting there. So yeah, you definitely feel

Speaker 7 you feel unfortunate for the situation because of the type of dude that he is.

Speaker 7 But he's in a place where he's continuing to ascend. Like he's just doing this right now.
He's got a ton of confidence. He's at a place where a lot of people love him and believe in him.

Speaker 7 And I think that's only going to continue. Did you ever text him back? Oh, yeah.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 Because he said that he was left on red.

Speaker 7 No, I didn't. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 1 Good, good. Good.
Because we love it.

Speaker 7 We'll talk to each other in person.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right.

Speaker 8 So which situation you have to do? Well, I was thinking too. The book that we use for everybody is it's pretty simple math.
It's an end-of-game situation. You want to ask the

Speaker 8 two point, one point?

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, all right. So you score, so let's say there's five minutes left.
You're down 14.

Speaker 1 You score a touchdown. Are you going for two? You got to go for two.
All right. That's smart.
That's smart.

Speaker 7 Just so you know what you're going to deal with moving forward.

Speaker 1 All right, that's good. You know that.
Here's another one, hot shot.

Speaker 1 It's fourth and goal on the eight, and you're down eight,

Speaker 1 and you're going up against the greatest quarterback of all time. Do you kick a field goal to go down five, or do you go for it to try to score a touchdown and tie the game?

Speaker 7 Got to go for it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think you got to go for it.

Speaker 7 Well, who's on the other side?

Speaker 8 It's actually the best quarterback in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 1 It's the Tampa Bay Bucks in the NFC Championship game against Matt LaFord.

Speaker 7 You're going to have to use that op.

Speaker 7 You're down there.

Speaker 1 You're down there.

Speaker 7 You're going to have to use that op.

Speaker 1 You got it.

Speaker 8 But you can also kick three field goals.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 You're down there, and you're an opportunity to go score a touchdown. You're that close.

Speaker 7 We all know how hard it is to score in the red zone in this league. So when you're down there, you got to have your op.
I think you got to be aggressive there.

Speaker 8 I feel like over the last 10 years, especially, coaches have started to realize that it's smart. It's actually the correct thing to do to go for on fourth down more often.

Speaker 8 But is that a change that you noticed as you started coaching? Or the second you got into the coaching gig, it was like that was already the thought that was bubbling its way up to the end.

Speaker 7 2018,

Speaker 7 Seattle, we're in Seattle.

Speaker 7 We're up one in Seattle. We're on like the minus 40.

Speaker 7 And we're playing Russell Wilson at the time. They were rolling.
And we were in a back and forth game.

Speaker 7 They hadn't stopped us. We really hadn't stopped them.
And we take a timeout. It's fourth and one.
And Sean goes around the whole headsets. What do we want to do? You know, sneak it or pun it.

Speaker 7 Obviously, give those guys the ball back again. Every single dude on the headset said, pun it.
Everybody. He goes to Wade Phillips.
He's like, man, we haven't stopped him once. Go for it.

Speaker 7 And we went for it, sneaked it, won it, game over. If we didn't, it could have been catastrophic.
They're going to go five yards basically to go, you know, kick the game winning field goal.

Speaker 7 But it was like that aggressive mentality there, that believing in the guys and have an understanding of like, you haven't stopped them yet. Yeah.
So that's not probably going to stop at that point.

Speaker 7 That may not change. It may, but

Speaker 7 play the odds. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So enough of the niceties.
Let's get to the real business here, why you're here.

Speaker 1 Duval. Let's just break it down because we're actually the perfect people to fix what happened there.

Speaker 1 What was going through your head? I have a theory that it actually wasn't the way you said Duval. It was your eyebrows.

Speaker 11 Is that right?

Speaker 1 You did two eyebrow raises, which is unheard of. I've never seen it before.

Speaker 1 That was the part where it went off the rails. Yeah, like it was going okay.
And then you raised the other eyebrows.

Speaker 1 This guy's a freak. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So what was going through your head?

Speaker 7 No, it's just a cadence, right? I'm a quarterback by nature.

Speaker 1 I'm using my cadence.

Speaker 7 And hey, at the end of the day, you have to adapt to to different cadences. That was my cadence at the time.
And now, hey, I'm going to learn from these guys and be able to do a better job next time.

Speaker 1 How does it work with the PR team when you finish the press conference and you walk off, you're like, I nailed that. And then someone's like, sir.

Speaker 1 The Duval thing is going viral.

Speaker 7 I mean, I just go back to Dan Campbell talking about biting kneecaps.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We actually made that point on your behalf. It's like, listen, you can judge on a, our job is to judge on first impressions.
For sure. That is our job.

Speaker 1 But there's, you know, if you just judge fully on first impressions, everyone thought Dan Campbell was a meathead. Yeah.
And like he'd never win.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I think kind of a message for, you know, Shad Kahn and what we're trying to do is be bold and be different. And I've never, you know, this past season in Tampa was my most truest authentic self.

Speaker 7 For the first time, I wasn't trying to be Sean. I wasn't trying to be Kevin O'Connell.
I wasn't trying to be Zach Taylor.

Speaker 7 I was just being myself. And

Speaker 7 yeah, that was my cadence that day.

Speaker 7 Obviously, it wasn't too loved, but I think these guys, once we start winning games.

Speaker 1 Made an an impression. Do you want to give it another shot without the double eyebrow? I'm good.
Come on, just give us a Duval, but just regular. Duval.
There we go. That's better.

Speaker 1 That was what I was doing.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I think you're smart. How easy is that?

Speaker 8 I think you're smart to hold off on it. Wait until after your first win.
That's right.

Speaker 1 And then maybe you hit the Duval and you hit it with a wink too.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 1 There you go. Yeah.

Speaker 7 It's the eyebrow.

Speaker 1 Just keep the other eyebrow down. Keep it up.
Like The Rock does the one eyebrow, and everyone loves it. There you go.
You got it.

Speaker 7 So it's my dad. We actually were having this conversation in Tampa two weeks ago.
My son, three-year-old son, just did it. Okay.
I can do it. My dad does it.
It's just kind of a thing.

Speaker 7 It's not probably the coolest thing, but it's a thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The eyebrows work. Yeah.

Speaker 8 I think we also, I don't know how much you know about the storied history of the Jacksonville Jaguars, but we have a couple of things that we'd just like to inform you about so that you know what you're getting into.

Speaker 8 And you have to learn the history of where you're working.

Speaker 8 Are you familiar with the kid that got his head stuck in the Jaguar statue?

Speaker 1 No. Oh, my God.
So you need to familiarize yourself with this.

Speaker 8 What do you mean?

Speaker 7 We've actually had him on the show.

Speaker 8 We had him when we interviewed him. He was pumped up one day.
He was, I think, eight years old at the time.

Speaker 8 There's a giant jaguar statue outside the facility. He stuck his head in it.
There was a little bit of blood. They called the fire department.

Speaker 8 I think they had to saw off one of the jaguars' teeth.

Speaker 1 And there was a theory that the jaguars were cursed because of this.

Speaker 8 What year was this?

Speaker 1 This was like in the late 90s, I want to say, early 2000s. 95, 90s.

Speaker 7 Do you have any issues moving forward?

Speaker 1 So we were in

Speaker 1 California last year, and we were doing a bar event, and this guy comes up to me. He's like, you don't know who I am, but I'm very important to you.
I was like, what?

Speaker 1 And then he was like, I'm the kid who got my head stuck in the Jaguar statue. So we had him on the show, and we kind of closed the book.
So you're welcome for that.

Speaker 8 He's fine now. Yeah, you guys are good.

Speaker 1 He's good.

Speaker 8 How familiar are you with Blake Bortles? Just his game?

Speaker 7 I mean, L.A., we were together.

Speaker 1 Yeah, did you reach out to him? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 8 When you took the job and you're like, hey, just tapping in, making sure I'm letting you know I'm in town now. Blake, absolute best.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is the best.

Speaker 7 He took us to golf at Calabasas when he was living out there. He lives right around the corner from the golf course out there.
We went and played a few times. I mean,

Speaker 7 the boat's the stud.

Speaker 1 Here's a free idea for you.

Speaker 1 I know that he's welcome in the Jaguars family, but maybe excommunicate him so then you can bring him back. And everyone's like, holy shit, he did it.
He brought the boat back.

Speaker 1 He brought the boat, man.

Speaker 1 And Blake would do that. He would.
He probably won't even find out he was excommunicated.

Speaker 7 Yeah. He's all in on that.

Speaker 1 He's just like, you're back.

Speaker 7 He actually gave us my realtor.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 1 he's the best. Yeah, absolutely.
Maybe you do Blake Bortle's night. Oh.

Speaker 8 And then any fan that shaves Blake Bortle's haircut into their head,

Speaker 8 yeah, they get free tickets to the game.

Speaker 8 Blake Bortle's look-alike contest in my bedroom.

Speaker 7 He was so, he gave me a completely different perspective on the quarterback position when he came to L.A. You know, I mean, Jared was still growing and still

Speaker 7 just that kind of little, the mentality, the little bit of the, hey, screw it.

Speaker 7 You just now kind of go let it rip and go play this is who I am this is how I play he's like dude I'm like Chuck Knobloch yeah like my throat like he would kill himself yeah he was like so self-deprecating yeah but it was good it was in a good way you know that's actually a good word in our profession yeah yeah have you had a chance to sit down with Trevor Lawrence yet yeah so what was that I I assumed that you had probably met him before but as coach what was that first meeting read about like hey I'm gonna unlock you yeah I watched him play as actually a freshman in high school like it was random I was there recruiting a different player on his team.

Speaker 7 He was in a playoff game against Buford High School in Georgia, and he went and let it, like, ripped it. He was getting smashed in the face, just kept getting up, making plays.

Speaker 7 And so, when I got with him, you know, a couple weeks ago, it's just you felt a dude that just wants to go take it to the next level. Like, he's mentally and physically tough.

Speaker 7 He's been able to go through a lot of stuff and he's been through a ton of change. And all he wants to do is be great.
Like, he really does. He just wants to go be coached, go pour into this thing.

Speaker 7 And I think he's primed to go do that.

Speaker 7 He's going through a ton of ton of change right now, obviously. Had the injuries, a new father, new coaching staff for the third time now, right?

Speaker 7 Ton of humility. But he's got a feeling where he's like, man, I need to kind of play to my potential.
I haven't reached it yet.

Speaker 7 And that's cool to see. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Also in Jacksonville history, are you familiar with the pool?

Speaker 8 The pool and the stadium. Yeah.
Very important.

Speaker 8 You have a swimming pool in your stadium.

Speaker 8 It might be the only NFL team with the pool.

Speaker 1 Who swam in it.

Speaker 7 Played there in two. Clemson.
We played Clemson, Kentucky in the bowl game. I didn't even see this thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Seriously? We swam in it with Doug Marone.
Is it clean? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, very clean. We were wearing jeans.
Yeah. You went full clothes?

Speaker 8 Just jeans.

Speaker 8 As one does in Florida.

Speaker 1 You were with Coach Marone in the middle of the year. Yeah, he went in with us.
It was awesome. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 Just spitballing here. I feel like maybe you should ban the pool until you guys have a winning record.
Maybe have it like a little carrot, you know, no one in the pool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then when people get in the pool, it's like, look, we did it. Open up the pool.
Yeah, open up the pool.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I got you. I can respect that.

Speaker 1 Listen, the pool is great. We love the pool.

Speaker 1 If things are going bad, the pool gets mocked because it will be like, you know, the Jags are down 20, and then there's like four dudes standing in the pool. And you're like, oh, man, this is sad.

Speaker 1 I could see that. So, yeah.
Maybe

Speaker 1 only when the Jags are up

Speaker 8 in the pool. Or how about this? How about you, you know, that die that you grew up hearing about that's in a pool where if you pee?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't think that exists.

Speaker 1 A phenomenal idea you put it you put that in the pool until you start winning and then you take the guy out start to shame people yeah yeah you can shame people for peeing in it yeah off the bat i respect that i got a question about your time in lay that i still don't understand what does it mean when you're the non-play calling oc do you just sit there the whole time being like man i wish i could call a play no it's more that you're you're in a support role okay like you're the head obviously he's got a ton of responsibilities with offense defense special teams personnel a lot of stuff so you're really the rhythm of the week.

Speaker 7 You're trying to help create the clean rhythm, right? Make sure everybody's staying on task, getting their stuff done, getting the scripts done, defensive scripts, cards.

Speaker 7 You're essentially organizing throughout the entire week.

Speaker 7 And then as he gets caught up and gets into more of the roots of the game plan, then he can start to dive into how he wants to attack, how does he want to call the game. So is it

Speaker 7 difficult? Yeah, I probably underestimated that going from calling plays in Kentucky to going to that role in LA after they won a Super Bowl. Probably underestimated that for me.

Speaker 7 But you know what you're getting into. You know that you're going to go support a dude that's a complete stud and does things the right way, treats people the right way, and is super infectious.

Speaker 7 So that's what you're going to be a part of, and you kind of know what you're getting into. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Would you ever get in trouble for, I don't know, calling too many shots or something when you're an offensive coordinator and you're in practice going up against the defense? Yeah.

Speaker 8 And the head coach has to

Speaker 8 dial you back and say, hey, we're both trying to learn here. Just practice for both sides.

Speaker 7 No, we've kind of had some of those conversations this past year in Tampa when we were trying to get the run game going.

Speaker 7 Todd's so multiple, Coach Bowles is so multiple on defense where you're saying, hey, Todd, we might have to have a couple periods where we're just static here, where we can just go block people that are staying put.

Speaker 7 So we can get good at blocking a double and a B and a single and a deuce.

Speaker 7 If we don't get those blocks in practice, how are we supposed to get good at them in the game?

Speaker 7 And the guys that can really adapt and see it from both lenses, those are the probably, you know, usually the most successful ones.

Speaker 8 Is Todd Bowles addicted to blitzing?

Speaker 7 Dude, it's, it was like, I felt like it was just a barrage in training camp, but you don't know where it's coming from.

Speaker 7 You really don't. He's so multiple that way.
I've never seen somebody in the second half of games adjust in 10 minutes. And we all know what halftime adjustments got.

Speaker 7 Like you're getting the stuff you hadn't called in the first half or things that are working. How do you now dress it up to go do it differently?

Speaker 7 Todd Bowles had an ability in the second half of games to take what they were doing and almost be like,

Speaker 7 we're going to do this and completely shut people down. I had never really seen that before.
He ran the entire show. It was pretty cool to see.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you say to the haters that say Mike Evans getting that thousand yards was cheap?

Speaker 7 Dude, I know.

Speaker 7 That was one of the coolest moments I've ever been a part of, man.

Speaker 8 I think at the time, I liked it for Mike Evans a lot. I give him all the credit in the world.
I didn't like it from the Saints because it was like, you're supposed to hate the Bucs.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Why are you going to let them do this?

Speaker 7 Yeah. They didn't let it happen.

Speaker 1 You don't think so? Not at all.

Speaker 8 So what happened on that play?

Speaker 7 We got him open and he made a play. Okay.

Speaker 1 Like that. That's confidence.
Dude, you sure?

Speaker 7 We ran the same exact play in the red zone the prior play when Bucky Baker flips it to Bucky. We had had that play called, but Baker checked out of it because he thought he was getting zero blitz.

Speaker 7 So he checked out of that exact play. We ran something else.
It wasn't open. Mike wasn't open.
He ends up scrambling, flipping it to Bucky.

Speaker 7 Bucky just kind of innately gets in the end zone and everybody's like, oh my God.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 What did we just do? Yeah. You know, we just ruined this for him.

Speaker 7 And so when we got the ball back, we went back to that same play that we wanted to call down there and obviously didn't check out of it.

Speaker 1 They weren't letting that happen, bro. You don't think it was? Not at all.

Speaker 7 Asked their coaches. I've talked to their coaches.
There was no shot they were letting that happen.

Speaker 8 Well, then I will retract my

Speaker 1 take on the same. It moment.

Speaker 8 It was never anti-Bucks because Mike Evans is a stud and he's been a stud and he gets the reaction of those players, man.

Speaker 7 It was awesome. It was the coolest moment of the year, hands down.

Speaker 1 Do you want to say anything to people who maybe drafted Rashad White too early in the fantasy draft and then you were like, no, Bucky Irving's just going to get all this stuff.

Speaker 7 Oh man, I gained such a different respect for Rashad after this year.

Speaker 7 When you go through it and see what he brings from a pass protection standpoint, there's probably not a lot of backs in the NFL better than him, and that goes so unnoticed.

Speaker 7 And he can still do it in terms of making people miss in the screen game. No, Bucky's just a dog.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Like that dude is in the building at 5 a.m. every single day hanging out with Tom Moore.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 87-year-old Tom Moore and Bucky Irving, one of the youngest players on our roster, hung out every single morning. Yeah.
Like, dude's a stud.

Speaker 1 All right. We're going to do something very awkward.
Just so you know, we have your side. We're defending you.

Speaker 1 The weirdest guy we got in our company is a Die Hard Bucks fan, Stephen Che over there.

Speaker 1 His blog was posted new jaguars head coach liam cohen is the biggest snake in football today

Speaker 1 brutal now brutal i i told stephen he can ask you a question yeah but he has to do something first okay steven

Speaker 1 no you have to say the thing i said first he also called you uh a ladder climber which i think that's every coach ever uh is trying to get a new job and get a better job sounds like you wanted to be a head coach one day yeah and we defended you because it's like yeah if someone offers you this and then the other offers that, like, to change your life and your family's life.

Speaker 1 Right. Stephen, what would you like to say first about yourself? About myself? Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I have a lot of questions.
No, but

Speaker 1 you can't ask Coach Cohn a question until you admit to something. Sure.
I mean, my feelings were hurt

Speaker 1 when you left.

Speaker 1 We had this long debate in our gambling cave in our office, and the whole time I was like, dude, your feelings are hurt.

Speaker 1 He's like, no, they're not i was like yes they are and you were your feelings were hurt yeah i mean i have a lot of questions for you number one how dare you

Speaker 1 yeah i mean it was a it was a rough we could we come off the and you you were a hot name in the head coaching circles and you were asked about it i think towards the end of the regulars i i steer breast conference every week very great very informative

Speaker 1 And I was a card-carrying member. I was a cone head.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 That's cool, man. I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 I love what you did with the backfield, the run game, the 21 pony stuff, like integrating Rashad as the best pass-blocking running back in the game.

Speaker 1 And then Bucky was great. But then, yeah, that week, you know, we get a very salty loss to PFT's commanders at home, which,

Speaker 1 you know, in my mind, we win that game. I think we're going to beat the Eagles.
Yeah, if we don't...

Speaker 7 We played really well against them the first time, too.

Speaker 1 That was frustrating. Yeah, is there a question?

Speaker 10 You're just talking about yourself.

Speaker 1 No, I appreciate it. I appreciate what what he said.

Speaker 1 But, yeah, I mean, if you could go back in time,

Speaker 1 how does that week change? Because you interviewed there

Speaker 1 Monday and then

Speaker 1 Tuesday.

Speaker 7 It was, I interviewed on Zoom Wednesday.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 And I never got in person.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 Never was able to kind of get in person until

Speaker 7 after I ended up going there. Yes.
After that, yes. But

Speaker 7 ultimately, it came down to new information.

Speaker 7 New information became available.

Speaker 1 That's called money, Stephen.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And, you know, and like when you're going to buy a house and you figure out like it's either not as good or better than you thought.

Speaker 7 And some of the people that ultimately have kind of helped me throughout this journey have said, like, at the end of the day, you're allowed to change your mind. Yeah.
And that's like kind of life.

Speaker 1 That's we said that at the time.

Speaker 7 It was the most gut-wrenching, you know, week week of my life It was it's genuine like some you sound like a lot of my my boys that lived in my neighborhood that are were diehard fans like they were pissed at me feelings hurt.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, like they were pissed, but they're cool now.

Speaker 7 We're good and you know at the end of the day with with the guys the boys and they're FaceTiming me from the Bahamas all excited and I just go hug Todd Bowles and those guys like It's all good. Yeah.

Speaker 7 It's all good.

Speaker 1 It's okay that you have feelings. Like we all have feelings too.
Sure. As an adult we learn to process.
I do. He's a fan.

Speaker 1 Do you know that you're about to receive a real big dish of revenge, though, preseason week? Yeah, I mean, we're going to whoop your ass in mid-August. Oh, wait.
Preseason week what?

Speaker 1 It's not out yet. Oh, okay.
We play with Gene Wars every August. A lot worse.
He has it circled. Yeah, I got you.

Speaker 1 He was like, they're going to get Liam Cohen's going to get all of our rap in the preseason.

Speaker 1 We don't play until 27, so all of our threes are going to

Speaker 1 go play the whole thing. He's got it circled.

Speaker 8 You better hope that's not week two.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 8 Because Todd Bowles is coming. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're going to put a countdown clock in the office for you. Rob's preseason game.

Speaker 7 At the end of the day, man, it's entertainment, right? I mean, as much as it is, I grew up a Patriots fan. Die Hard.
Die Hard. So I get it, man.
I understand.

Speaker 8 So since you grew up a Patriots fan, was Miles Jack down in the AFC Championship game? Jaguars Pats? Dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 You think he was down?

Speaker 7 I watched that game live. Boat was, I mean, he was dealing.
They were running the ball really well.

Speaker 7 Nah, dude,

Speaker 7 that shouldn't have been called down.

Speaker 7 I'm all going Jags.

Speaker 1 Good answer.

Speaker 8 Jag should have been at the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 There's loyalties now, yeah. All right, I know you got to run.
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Last question, Stephen, do you have one final question? I do.

Speaker 1 So, I mean,

Speaker 1 again, when he,

Speaker 1 the best thing that happened was he got his feelings so hurt that we had to go the total opposite side and defend you to the death.

Speaker 1 Like his, because he's so annoying that we're like, this is such a bad opinion. We're just going to go the other way.
So he actually helped you out.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that, man.

Speaker 1 Well, fandom it was weak of.

Speaker 8 Jay, before you, I have a question for you. Would you rather have your job or would you have a better job and $10 million?

Speaker 1 I don't think there is a better job than this job. What about if the Bucs wanted to hire you?

Speaker 1 be liar. No.

Speaker 1 If the Bucks offered you $10 million tomorrow, I would be hurting the team. Okay.
That's fair, dude. You know what? That's an honest opinion.
That's a good answer. That's a really good answer, dude.

Speaker 1 That was a great deflection. Okay, okay.
That was a phenomenal deflection. It was.

Speaker 1 So I'm representing the Bucks community here. I'm not going to go, you know,

Speaker 1 what happened has happened. But talk to the Bucs fans about Grizz, Josh Grizzard,

Speaker 1 who's the new OC who was in control of over 30 third downs.

Speaker 7 I've known Grizz for a while, man. Like, met him here.
I met him here, I don't know, five, six years ago.

Speaker 7 He's a Yale dude, but he's a bro. I mean, he's a guy that he connects with so many different dudes.
Like, he can connect.

Speaker 10 He's smart.

Speaker 7 He's so smart. He dialed up all of our third downs.
He did so much of the red zone, all the past game. He can see it from an all-11 perspective, both in the run and the pass.

Speaker 7 He's going to be a really good force.

Speaker 7 For you guys, he will. I promise you that.

Speaker 1 And I do have one Jag's question, if I could. Yeah.

Speaker 1 James Gladstone. Yeah.
GM. He's 34.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's very, you're 39. Yeah.

Speaker 7 You guys changing the game? How old was Theo Epstein when he took a Red Sox job?

Speaker 1 He's pretty young.

Speaker 7 28.

Speaker 1 Sean McVay won a Super Bowl when he was pretty young. Doesn't matter.

Speaker 7 No, what's cool is he grew up on the sidelines. His dad was a coach.
He grew up on sidelines, in the locker rooms, like same.

Speaker 7 So we share that vision, right? And I think that's kind of what's cool about it is like we're coaches, kids. We have a chip on our solar.
We want to prove it. Like, we want to go do it.

Speaker 7 And we've learned from pretty darn good people. And now it's an opportunity to go do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, love it. Well,

Speaker 1 thank you. So, yeah, good job, Che.
Hopefully, we can close this book. Yes, yes.
Okay, all right, good.

Speaker 1 Good. Although, preseason is still back on.

Speaker 7 We like the shoes, too.

Speaker 1 Yes, preseason. Yeah, both Jordan guys.
Robo is back on. Yeah.
So thank you, coach, for joining us.

Speaker 1 Just so you know, you legally just got at least 10 weeks of losing football where we'll still defend you. That's a Nathaniel Hackett rule that we have implemented.
Hopefully, that doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, hopefully you just hit the ground running. You forget how to use timeouts on Monday Night Football Week One.
We'll see. We'll just pretend it didn't happen.
We'll give this guy time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, come on the show. We give you a little grace period.

Speaker 1 But hopefully you hit the ground running.

Speaker 1 And hopefully you kick the... Fucking shit out of the box in the preseason.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. We're going to drop it.

Speaker 8 I'm going to game of the year that feeds.

Speaker 1 Seriously. We're going to do a watch party for you.

Speaker 7 I'm just going to point at it.

Speaker 1 It's going to rip me all up.

Speaker 1 Well, thank you so much, and best of luck this season. Thanks, guys.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest. It is Captain America.
Can I call you Captain America? Sure. Okay, it's Captain America.
It's Brady Kachuck from the Ottawa Senators.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're Captain America now. I think it's official.
I think you have to be Captain America. Is that okay?

Speaker 10 I'll take it, but I would love to know the reasoning.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, you fight, you score goals,

Speaker 1 you put the team on your back for four nations. Let me start with this.

Speaker 1 How weird was it playing for Team USA and then immediately going back to Ottawa and being like, all these people in this arena hated my guts for the last two weeks, and now they're back to being fans of me?

Speaker 10 It was weird. It was was just a whole, I'm like, I just got booed in Montreal, which is expected.
And then in Boston, like,

Speaker 10 like, they don't like Matthew and I in Boston. And to get cheered on and supported there, I was like, okay, this is pretty awesome.
And then come back.

Speaker 10 I actually missed the first two games in Ottawa, but I just would see Twitter. I'm like, it's so, everybody would be like, it's so weird cheering against them.

Speaker 1 But I have to. I'm for Canada.

Speaker 10 And, but now it's nice to get them back on my side.

Speaker 8 Are they still booing the national anthem?

Speaker 10 They are, yeah.

Speaker 1 What the fuck?

Speaker 8 Well, I think you should just remind them, like, it was, you're an all-star finalist. It was the all-star game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was an all-star final.

Speaker 8 That's what we said the second that we lost. We were just like, oh, we don't care about the all-star game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 That's exhibition.

Speaker 1 You agree, right? Like, that was just the all-star break.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I don't know if I knew

Speaker 1 that tournament meant a lot.

Speaker 8 It is weird, though, because, yeah, you mentioned it, but you and Austin Matthews, especially, like, you go to Boston, and now all of a sudden that Boston crowd is cheering for you.

Speaker 8 Was that a little bit surreal to be in that arena and feel, I mean, mean, obviously you've played in Boston before, but to have them like support guys that they normally just boo the shit out of, was that kind of strange?

Speaker 10 Yeah, it was really strange.

Speaker 10 Honestly, it put a smile on my face. Like I was trying to hide it, but when they're announcing the lineup for the final and I just heard the crowd, I was like, I felt really like...

Speaker 10 patriotic and like representing the U.S. and

Speaker 10 it was a pretty pretty cool feeling that I was trying to be all serious, but it put a smile on my face.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I mean, the Olympics next year are going to be incredible. You got to be juiced up for that just off of this Four Nations thing.

Speaker 10 I can't wait. It's going to be, I think it was the perfect thing to set up for the Olympics and gaining all these hockey fans.
And I know they're going to

Speaker 10 do a good job of building it up and hyping it up. But I really do

Speaker 10 feel good about our team, too, going into it.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you got a little mark on your face that from Tom Wilson.

Speaker 10 That one Tom Wilson knuckle next to the mouth.

Speaker 1 You got to fight and score the goal.

Speaker 8 Yeah, respect. That was a good fight, good scrap against Tom.
He's a big dude.

Speaker 8 We like to ask all the NHL players that come on the show, like, what do you say to another guy when you're about to, how do you instigate the fight?

Speaker 10 Last night, I don't even think I got a word out. It was just more like a head nod.
And it just like, it was like one of those like connections. I don't know.
It's hard to explain.

Speaker 10 Not many words needed to be said. It was just like we both knew it was happening.

Speaker 1 But like, usually,

Speaker 10 usually it's like, you want one? And it's like, like, that's like, or when you're really pissed off, you just, you just grab him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 We're going. Like, not even give them an option, but it was weird last night.
I don't even think a word was said. It's just like, all right, we're going.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 8 It's almost like a romance for hockey guys. You just look each other in the eye and you know it's on.

Speaker 8 Time to lean into this. Yeah, I noticed that you had a nice little takedown at the end.
That's a good strategy to have.

Speaker 8 Like, if you're in a fight, it's been going for a while, train some heavy blows, just try to land on top of the other guy, and then it's almost like you won the fight.

Speaker 10 Yeah, oh, for no, this is usually

Speaker 10 the non-hockey fans that see that. They're like, oh, he won just because he finished on top.
But oh, no, he hit me with some good ones. And no,

Speaker 10 he's a big boy.

Speaker 1 Did you wake up feeling it this morning? Did you have to fly like late, late? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah. I'm a little sort of made, but good that we have a day off.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you ever turn down fights?

Speaker 1 Are people always like, because I would imagine there's some fights where you're like, I can't like, I'm going to beat this guy up, or if he gets like a lucky one, I'm going to look like a loser.

Speaker 1 Like, why would I fight this guy?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I think now I used to like, no, if somebody says something, then like it would be automatic just because I wanted to prove myself and all this, but now I want to like go out there and help the team.

Speaker 10 Yeah. And I'm at a point now where I need to be out there and help the team.
But last night we're down to nothing and try to create a spark for our team going into the second period. So

Speaker 10 things like that. And especially, you know, Tom, a guy who's, I don't think they win 2018 if it's not for him.
So he's a, he's a unbelievable.

Speaker 8 You guys are kind of similar in that you're both very, very skilled hockey players, but also very capable of handling yourselves in a fight.

Speaker 8 That feels like a new type of player, whereas back in the day, it was mostly like you have a goon and his job is to go out there like Paul Bissenet.

Speaker 8 You're going to step on the ice and you're going to fight somebody, then you're going to go waddle to the piloting box.

Speaker 8 Nice day at the office. But now it's like guys like you and Tom Wilson are so valuable.

Speaker 8 But now that you're going into the playoff stretch where you have to be around, you have to designate somebody else. Be like, I want to fight this guy, but I can't.
Can you do that for me?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well,

Speaker 10 I try not to

Speaker 10 do that, especially to a teammate. Be like, hey,

Speaker 10 you're going to have to fight this guy. If it happens, that it's got to be me.

Speaker 10 I'm fine with it, and I'm not too worried about it. But

Speaker 10 fights don't happen as often anymore.

Speaker 10 It's just kind of going away, but I think it is still important to almost keep everything in check and have that accountability and responsibility that can't just go after the best players and not

Speaker 10 have to answer the bell. So I'm glad that hockey is still important, but just doesn't happen as often as it used to with

Speaker 10 business. You just going toe-to-toe with guys every single game.
So that just doesn't happen anymore.

Speaker 1 You did say something there, though, like firing up the boys.

Speaker 1 I do think that like one thing that's happened in all of sports is analytics has kind of taken over numbers and the human element is no longer there as much.

Speaker 1 I love like a good old-fashioned meatball take where it's like, oh, the coach has to get kicked out or a guy has to fight.

Speaker 10 Can you feel feel the momentum after a good fight being like everyone kind of wakes up a little bit i i know for me even i know for example when matthew fought first i've never felt like more fired up in my life that like i was like no matter what i'm i'm going yeah like i have to because like i gotta like i can't have this pent up like just like aggression and like i'm like i gotta i gotta get this out somehow because i was so fired up but um yeah no i feel in fights like when it's somebody else, it's just, it gets me so fired up that I'm like, all right, here we go.

Speaker 10 Yeah, this is, that's exactly what we needed.

Speaker 1 Is it a little weird that you can beat up your big brother?

Speaker 1 Uh,

Speaker 10 well, all the, all the abuse I took as a kid, yeah, I'm like, because you were telling me before off-camera that you could beat the fuck out of him.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, I'll say, and he'll see it and be like, yeah, he can. Oh, so he knows, yeah.

Speaker 10 Oh, he knows, yeah, yeah, yeah, but he, he's just so good at chirping that, like, he, he can definitely get under my skin. Now, that's where he's he's got me like I'll never catch up.

Speaker 8 Yeah, yeah, you know who else gets the boys fired up freebird Have you grown to love that song?

Speaker 10 I still listen to it.

Speaker 10 I'm like, oh, just it just brings me back to like how awesome it was and even when we were like after we listened to dream on yeah, because it's like the end of miracle and we just wanted to implement it and yeah, like that still fires me up.

Speaker 10 I'm just like, I mean, it was such a special, awesome experience that, no, I miss it. I miss playing with those guys.
It was so cool, but it definitely sets up for next year. It does.

Speaker 8 Yeah, the Four Nations was awesome. I think it's going to generate a lot of interest in hockey, especially

Speaker 8 as the playoffs get closer in the NHL. I feel like the ratings should be up across the board for that.
And now you're like, are you the face of hockey?

Speaker 1 I don't think so. Not in America?

Speaker 10 I mean, there's just so many guys that,

Speaker 10 I mean, I don't know. I don't think so.
I think there's so many good players that represent our league so well. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tell me last year, so obviously your brother wins the Stanley Cup, but before that happens, your dad called out the entire Panthers team and basically called them all pussies.

Speaker 1 What was the group chat like with your dad and your brother after that? Like, because you, he, he even said he was like, I'd rather watch Brady and the Senators.

Speaker 1 They actually like play with grit and they're real men, and the Panthers are soft. Did that make you feel good? Would you, like, what was the conversation after that?

Speaker 10 I actually love how you brought that up because he's considering himself to be GM of the year when that happened.

Speaker 10 And he he won them the cup. He was like, I just changed his team all around.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did. But was it, like, did you guys joke about it afterwards?

Speaker 8 It was after we played them and we won.

Speaker 10 And I think he was fired up. Matthew's fired up.

Speaker 10 But Matthew didn't know about it. And I think the next morning, I think I just saw like a...

Speaker 1 Really, Dad, like, you just put me in a terrible spot.

Speaker 10 Because now guys in the meal room, he's like, is he talking about me?

Speaker 10 Matthew's just like,

Speaker 1 good old-fashioned pitting the brothers against each other. Oh, yeah.
One's tough, one's not.

Speaker 10 But I was like, I was loving it. I was like, that was hilarious.
And he just keeps that. He's like, I might give it to your team.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 That guarantees a cup final and then a cup. Like, yeah, go ahead and do it.
That's the problem with it. Is you know that someday he's going to try to do that.

Speaker 1 He's going to play that again against you. Yeah.

Speaker 10 And then he's going to hopefully win GM of the year again. Yeah.
According to himself, I think if he calls it, you got to fight him.

Speaker 8 You ever fought your dad?

Speaker 10 No. No.
I have. I have not.
I was.

Speaker 10 I think he'd be too huff too tough to handle with if we put the boxing gloves on.

Speaker 1 Old man stranger, yeah.

Speaker 10 He'd throw, and he's got some powerful ones.

Speaker 8 Yeah, so coming from a hockey family, and your hockey family, your hockey tree extends like all across the NHL with all the guys that you're related to in various ways.

Speaker 8 But from that hockey family, were you told very early on the importance of the unwritten rules of hockey?

Speaker 1 I don't know if we.

Speaker 10 The unwritten rules?

Speaker 8 because I remember you enforced one last year

Speaker 10 empty netter oh yeah the empty netter after after the the clock expired I think it was like two seconds afterwards they dumped it in and you were the first guy to be like hey fuck you you don't do that yeah it's actually yeah because obviously we've we lost and the siren went off but I don't think he heard it because the rink was buzzing and and I was like all right perfect like this is gonna be like I saw him put it I'm like all right I'm going up and we'll see if like a line brawl brawl happens or something.

Speaker 10 Like, I don't know, something to like get everybody excited about. But with saying that earlier that year, a teammate of mine, I don't know if you saw this with the slap shot and the empty net.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 So it was kind of like, I got the, the opposite of it because I loved what he did.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 10 The slap shot and unwritten rule. I'm like, oh, when it's on my side, like, that's great.
Do it anytime. But when it's against us, I'm like, Yeah, I'm going to get that fucked up.

Speaker 1 It can't happen to me. Yeah.

Speaker 8 So when you were growing up, was it always you were going to be in the NHL? That was the one thing that you knew?

Speaker 10 It was, yeah, it was always hockey. I mean, I played other sports, loved playing other sports, but at the end of the day, it was always hockey.
And honestly, I never thought the NHL was

Speaker 10 like, could be a reality until I was like 16, 17, where I was playing in Ann Arbor at the U.S. national team for the U17, U18 year.
And that's when more teams are coming around scouting and

Speaker 10 guys are getting drafted before you.

Speaker 10 And you're like, okay, kind of in comparison, where do I need to get at to get drafted and you know I'm gonna go as high as possible so started thinking about that when I got there and and uh then it kind of became a reality when I was you know 17 and gonna go to college and then get drafted from college yeah was there there was never a moment even when you were like you know 12 or 13 we're like rebellious like I'm not playing in the NHL dad like don't make me do this I think I gave like I think he would just shred me after one game's like all right I'm done playing hockey yeah right I don't want to like

Speaker 10 he's like no you're a kachuck that's what we do And then he just, and then my mom would be like, no, it's okay, sweetie. You played great.

Speaker 1 You worked hard.

Speaker 10 It's just, you know, your dad's tough on you because he expects a lot out of you.

Speaker 10 And then she'd always calm us down.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, I'm going to be a plain roller hockey next year.

Speaker 10 So it was never really a hockey was never going to be quit on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you were never going to be like, I kind of like to be an accountant. Yeah.
Yeah. You know what?

Speaker 10 I just want to go in the business world.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who's the funniest guy on your team?

Speaker 10 Thomas Shabbat. Okay.
He's just non-stop.

Speaker 1 Because I feel like every hockey locker room has like one of those guys who's just a total

Speaker 1 electric personality and a glue guy. Is that who? Is that what he's that be fanny?

Speaker 10 He's never had a bad day in his life. He is such a positive, just, and everybody, it's, everybody is getting it.
Like, he's not just picking a couple guys.

Speaker 10 It's he sees somebody and somebody's getting it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And Barcelona hire him in a couple years.
Yeah. Probably.

Speaker 10 And he's the biggest fan of you guys. Yeah.
He's so fired up. It's perfect.

Speaker 1 Hockey guys for some, I mean, it's, I don't know what it is, but I, I feel like I've never met a hockey guy who wasn't like funny in some way. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Whether it be dry humor or like outwardly funny. There's just, it feels like a hockey locker room is unlike any other sport.

Speaker 10 It's, it's the best part of the day. Yeah.
Just going there and just shooting the shit and just hanging out. And I mean, there's just nothing better.

Speaker 1 All right. So, Thomas, you got to come on the show.

Speaker 8 They love the boys more than anything. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's one thing. It's like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 8 Always for the boys.

Speaker 10 Always for the boys. Always for the boys.
The dinners,

Speaker 10 the nights out, just they're hilarious.

Speaker 8 And they'll walk into a room and they'll see one guy and they'll they'll be like, What's up, boys? What's up?

Speaker 8 Everybody's boys. Yeah, boys, beauty.
Yeah, legend.

Speaker 1 Is the Vegas flu real?

Speaker 10 Have you been hit by the Vegas flu at any point? This actually came up the other day.

Speaker 10 My dad, I feel like we're bringing him up a lot.

Speaker 10 went to his analytic guys because he works scout in St. Louis.
He's like, just do me a favor. Can you look up Brady and Matthew's stats when they play Vegas in their own cities versus them in Vegas?

Speaker 10 It's not like we're going out and doing all this crazy stuff. Like we're just hanging and chilling.

Speaker 1 Our stats in Vegas are absolutely awful.

Speaker 1 We played there.

Speaker 10 I would love to see like 18 games. I think like

Speaker 10 combined.

Speaker 10 We both have like two goals and like one assist in 18 games. But like at home, like it's a different story.

Speaker 1 That should be illegal that your dad's using the analytics department of the blues against that. There's no, I think it was just a family thing.

Speaker 10 I don't want him getting any trouble. But no, he, that, that's this, that's some of the stuff that he's like, you know what? I'm, I've thought about it.
You guys have played like shit in Vegas.

Speaker 10 I got to see some stats.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wait, so did he send you all the stats? Oh, he sent it to Matthew and I group chat.

Speaker 10 Just like it was like a log chat of just like the caps in Vegas and back home.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's incredible. It's awesome.

Speaker 8 You've got, you've got cameras following you around now, right?

Speaker 10 Yeah, not every day. They come, I think they've came twice for the Amazon series.

Speaker 1 So it's been

Speaker 10 really cool.

Speaker 10 It's new. But I mean, I grew up watching the 24-7s and seeing that and how cool that was.
But no, it'll be cool to see them this ride and into playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are you able to say, like, cut that? Because we have cameras here all the time. And it's just, at some points, it's like, dude,

Speaker 1 I need a second without a camera in my face. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Well, they came, I think, in January for four days, and then I saw them twice over Fort Nation. Like, that's all we've filmed so far.
So I'm hoping

Speaker 10 as this kind of playoff race picks up that it'll catch more of that and

Speaker 1 into playoffs. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I think there's going to be some good footage. So you

Speaker 1 recently became a father. Was it like nine months ago, six months ago?

Speaker 10 He's five and a half. Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 I'm way off.

Speaker 10 He's on my birthday.

Speaker 1 Oh, fuck. Way off.
Five and a half. All right.
So is he good at hockey yet?

Speaker 1 When did he first get on skates?

Speaker 1 Oh, that's just five and a half months. Five and a half months.
All right, that's right. All right, all right, all right.
So I was five months. I was like, holy shit, did I fuck that up?

Speaker 1 No, no, no, five and a half months. Five and a half months.
All right. Yeah, but we've tried putting a hockey stick to the side.

Speaker 10 Yeah, so when does that happen?

Speaker 1 When is the first, like, what actual age is like, all right, it's time for you to do the family business, get on the ice?

Speaker 10 I mean, we started skating at two. So we already have his hockey skates.
It was a

Speaker 10 gift that somebody gave us. He's like, here's the skates when he's ready.
But we got that all dialed in. So we'll have to see, hopefully, too.
I love it though.

Speaker 8 Is that when you started?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I think Matthew and I both started skating at two, respectively.

Speaker 1 So I don't know.

Speaker 10 That would be nice.

Speaker 8 That's such a crazy thing because you can barely walk when you're two. Yeah, oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 Just holding them along. I'd be more than happy to do that.

Speaker 1 Well, because I bought my son's skates. He's five and a half years old.
And I'm, I like bought him skates. I was like, I already missed.

Speaker 1 Like, he's already, there's no, I mean, not that he was ever going to go to the NHL, but like, he's already way behind. He's not playing hockey.

Speaker 1 Like, it's way too late, late, five and a half years old.

Speaker 10 A lot of guys have started skating later. It's just like, and they end up in the NHL.

Speaker 1 My son's not going to the NHL. No offense again.
No offense.

Speaker 8 How are we feeling about the team this year?

Speaker 10 I'm very confident in our team. I think just we're a tough team to handle for a seven-game series.
So we just got to get there. But no, I think

Speaker 10 all stars are kind of aligning for this year and just find a way to get in. And I think we can do some damage.

Speaker 8 This late in the season, is this the grind? Obviously, you would get a nice little energy boost for the playoffs.

Speaker 8 But right now, I feel like this is the time of year where everyone's everyone's banged up. It's been long.
You barely got a break at all.

Speaker 8 Is this like a part of the year where you're just like kind of just going day to day? Got to get through this.

Speaker 10 It's definitely, I think it's more of a mental grind now.

Speaker 10 I think November to

Speaker 10 Four Nation break was like the physical grind of just like every day, just grinding away and kind of setting yourself up for this time of the year.

Speaker 10 I think it's mentally just, I think you can look at it, it's a little stressful this time of the year. And I think it's it's okay to be a little nervous and have the nerves.
I think it's a good thing.

Speaker 10 And,

Speaker 10 no, but I think it's, you know, playoffs for us kind of started a couple of games ago where every game's almost a must-win. And

Speaker 10 just to get ourselves to April, that, you know, we need to just kind of stick around. Every team around us is doing well.

Speaker 10 Just stick around and hopefully can rattle off a couple game win streak and put ourselves in a good spot. But

Speaker 10 no, that's a fun type of year.

Speaker 10 And like I said, like, this is my first experience at like in this playoff race kind of feeling and and it's been the best feeling to just grind it out every single day yeah playoffs already started that's a that's a good trick have you thought about what it would be like if you brought the stanley cup back to canada i think about it all the time yeah it's

Speaker 10 maybe think about it too much but uh i feel like i have my whole whole day planned when we win yeah be captain canada at that point wait did you did you celebrate with your brother when he had his day with the cup i yes i was i went back to St.

Speaker 10 Louis for his day.

Speaker 10 He actually had it for a day and a half, and it was really awesome to see what we were able to do with it. And I was there the night they won.
Yeah. I was kind of around it and just to see the

Speaker 10 happiness that it brought.

Speaker 10 Motivation.

Speaker 1 Did you touch the cup? No. All right.
No. Good.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Did he try to trick you into touching it?

Speaker 10 No, he was, he was, you know what? He was, I didn't expect it. He was very respectful.

Speaker 10 just I thought he'd for sure just be rubbing it in my face, but he actually was very nice about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 8 I definitely would have tried to trick you into touching it. Oh, 100%.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would have put it in your bed.

Speaker 1 I would have given you some ambient and then put it in your bed next to you. Take up pictures of you.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Look at him touching the cup.

Speaker 1 I got a bone to pick with you. You said you were watching Miracle before some of the games.
I feel like USA hockey, we're not the underdogs like that anymore.

Speaker 1 You got to start watching like Dream Team 92 stuff and like have the perspective change of like, we're not the plucky underdogs. We're, we're team USA.
We can win this thing.

Speaker 10 Yeah, no, you're right. I think it was more the patriotic feeling.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 10 Like, all right, we're like, like, Mike Ruzzioni came and talked to us right before the tournament started.

Speaker 10 And just like to watch him, Rob McLanan, and because those two guys came to our dinner, and we were hearing stories of Mike and after the fact, and how basically he left his hockey bag in Lake Place and never played again.

Speaker 10 And just to hear that, he went from gold medal to

Speaker 10 what he's doing now and just an amazing life that he's given him and his family. But we've just had to watch it, get that childhood.

Speaker 1 All right, maybe for Olympics, we do like Armageddon or like a Rocky movie. Would love that would be good.
Get you pumped up that way.

Speaker 8 Yeah, Rocky would be solid. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 I like tricking yourself into thinking that you're underdogs, though. That works a lot like the Patriots did that for years where Belichick's like, nobody believes you.

Speaker 8 Nick Saban does that, or he did that at Alabama. He's like, nobody thinks you can win.
It's like, well, you have the number one recruitment class.

Speaker 1 Everyone can win.

Speaker 8 Yeah, Yeah, everyone. Yeah, just make it, put that chip on your shoulder.
Oh, you can get it.

Speaker 8 Not specifically for Vegas, but is there any other place that you play that's just harder to score goals in? Like in college basketball, some places are way harder to score in.

Speaker 8 Does that carry over to hockey at all?

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 It's a spot that I haven't scored is Chicago.

Speaker 1 That's right here. Okay.

Speaker 10 Maybe tonight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tomorrow. Tomorrow.
Yeah, yeah. Well, tonight when people are listening.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 10 No, so we'll see. I haven't scored here, and this is a tough building to score.

Speaker 1 What about the ice in what rink has the worst ice? Also, Calgary's ice, I feel like, is so shiny. Is that yeah?

Speaker 10 They have like three teams skate on it, so their ice actually

Speaker 10 takes a good beating. I mean, all those warm places, like they're...

Speaker 1 It gets soupy?

Speaker 10 Yeah, just like snowy, quick, and soft. I never really realized it, but guys always tell me that.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 10 I'm just extra slow today.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm thinking about.

Speaker 10 Oh, I'm dragging a piano behind me all game today, but probably like Tampa. Like, probably just, it's hard to keep the ice all dialed in when it's so beautiful and so warm there.

Speaker 8 Samboni drivers in Canada are probably better.

Speaker 8 They've probably been driving those things since they were kids.

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah. When they're not doing it, they're doing it to the outdoor ranks.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We have a debate with Witt, and he loses his debate every time we do it. But

Speaker 1 have you ever thought about not coming off the ice? If you're so good, just staying on the ice, playing the whole game? Like, Patrick Mahomes never takes off a snap.

Speaker 10 I couldn't do it cardio-wise. I'd be

Speaker 10 even 30 seconds. I'm tipping.
I'm like, oh, God, I got to get off.

Speaker 1 I can't be doing that.

Speaker 1 So 30 seconds is when you're like...

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 On a good day, 30 seconds hard. I'm like, all right, I'm done.
I got to get off.

Speaker 1 When you have a, like, what's the longest shift? Do you remember the longest shift?

Speaker 10 I actually had like a three and a half minute shift one time.

Speaker 1 And how much did that fuck you up for a while?

Speaker 10 I, after the game, I was exhausted. It was like the extra, we had, I was the sixth man, and I just refused to get off because I thought I was like, all right, I'm going to be the hero tonight.

Speaker 10 It just did not happen.

Speaker 10 And it was a little too long of a shift that I got into some trouble the next day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Wick gets mad at us whenever we do that debate.

Speaker 8 I wouldn't, I wouldn't step off the ice. Yeah, I would never come off.
I care that much about the game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 LeBron plays 44 minutes.

Speaker 8 Travis Hunter plays 110 snaps a game.

Speaker 10 Yeah, which is very impressive. Right.
That's very impressive.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Heisman.

Speaker 10 I just don't think he could play

Speaker 10 a full game

Speaker 10 with the speed that it's at.

Speaker 1 LeBron probably could.

Speaker 8 Yeah, and he gained weight while he did it. What if he did

Speaker 8 overtime should just be no shift changes?

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just see you coming. That was kind of last night.

Speaker 10 I was out there for a minute and a half. I'm like, I might be out here for five minutes.

Speaker 10 This is what might happen. And thank God it wasn't.

Speaker 1 When does it officially, you said playoffs already started because you guys are in the playoff race.

Speaker 1 When does it officially become like we're putting all of our bodies in front of the pucks and don't care at all?

Speaker 1 Because I do love that shift in hockey when you get to actual playoffs, and guys are like, fuck it, I'm selling out on everything.

Speaker 10 I mean,

Speaker 10 that day is definitely coming. Yeah.

Speaker 10 It's coming very soon. And just.

Speaker 1 Will that be a talk in the locker room being like, boys, it's time. Like,

Speaker 1 everyone's on the like, do whatever you got to do.

Speaker 10 Eventually, like, it's going to be like, this is game seven. Right.
Like, this is like, and of course, it's going to be sometime this month, but like, this, this is the game that we need to win.

Speaker 10 And can't look past, like, can't look at the future games. Like, right now, like, we need this one.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's got to be a little bit of a pit in your stomach being like, fuck, I'm just going to get like buried with some pucks. Yeah.
So I'm just going to run around and have 12 hits tonight. Yeah.

Speaker 8 You get hit with a puck in between what, like the skate and down on your leg.

Speaker 8 Is that the worst place to get hit?

Speaker 10 I don't block too many shots, but. The ankle's tough.
I think right here.

Speaker 1 The knee.

Speaker 1 I've seen that before.

Speaker 10 It just makes you feel like you broke your knee. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like you just can't move. How, uh, in terms of, I feel like all goalies are psychos.
How psycho is your goalie?

Speaker 1 Do you talk to him before the game at all?

Speaker 10 Yeah, he's very loose. Okay.
He's very like, I've, but I've had goalies where it's like not a word. Like he's just in his own world.
You don't say a word to him.

Speaker 10 But he's, he's great in that aspect where it's just chill. He's like throwing the football around before the game.
And just, I think it's hilarious. He's got like the wide receiver gloves.
and like

Speaker 10 it's like our strength guy throwing you the ball.

Speaker 1 It's not too hard, but protect the paws at all times.

Speaker 10 But no, he's good, but once the game gets going, then he locks it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because goalies do, it feels like that. That's one of the positions in sports where it's just true psychos.
Like, you can.

Speaker 1 You can't play that position unless you got a little bit of something wrong with you.

Speaker 10 Like, it's psychos, and I think they could all say that it's a little weird. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Like, they're all like some, not all weird, but like all have some different thing that they got going on yeah right you're just getting peppered with like 100 mile an hour slapshots and i've i put the pads on every christmas party like for the kids i put the goalie gear on i think it's like the best thing in the world but then i'll have some of the guys shoot on me i'm like oh my like they hurt right you have all that padding but it still hurts right right that's the most insane to me thing to me about hockey is until what maybe 50 years ago 40 years ago goalies didn't all wear masks yeah how insane is that yeah just absolutely nuts and even guys like,

Speaker 10 what, 20 years ago, like, didn't wear helmets? I'm like, how are you playing this game with no helmets?

Speaker 10 Like, I'm wearing a visor, and then you have Jamie Benn, Ryan O'Reilly, who like they don't have a visor still. I'm like, how are you not worried about your eyes?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, that is crazy. Although, the flow did look awesome.
Oh, yeah, flow looked good.

Speaker 8 You had a couple nice scars, not like bad scars, but a couple scars on your face. Then you can, everyone sees you for the rest of your life.

Speaker 13 You're like, that guy played hockey.

Speaker 1 Who was it? There was one guy, right, who got grandfathered in, and he was like the last guy not wearing a helmet. I can't remember who it was.

Speaker 10 Frag McTavish.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's just like, you just watch a game. He's like, what? He doesn't have a helmet? Oh, yeah.
He's grandfathered in. He doesn't have to do it.

Speaker 10 The best part is warm-ups. So, where you can go, no bucket, and warm-ups.
Like, that's exciting.

Speaker 1 I love the hot helmet. Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 8 This is a very important question for you. How much chicken parm do you eat in a normal,

Speaker 1 I guess, we'll go with a month.

Speaker 10 Oh, I have it every game day.

Speaker 8 Every game day?

Speaker 10 Every game day of chicken parm.

Speaker 8 So you had that for like an early lunch?

Speaker 10 Yeah. So like I'll have it

Speaker 10 early lunch around 11.30 and then take a nap and be ready for the game at 7. So

Speaker 10 I have a lot of chicken parm.

Speaker 8 Does everyone eat chicken parm?

Speaker 1 It's a great meal. Yeah, it is a great meal.

Speaker 10 A lot of guys have that, but like more pasta or

Speaker 10 with the chicken parm than I don't have pasta with mine.

Speaker 10 Just chicken parm. Just chicken parm.
So to go straight meat. Stay light.

Speaker 8 Have you had like chicken parm and you're like, that's a good chicken parm. I'm going to play well tonight.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 Like, whenever I go to a hotel, I'm like, I know it's a bad, like, over the years, I know, like, it's a shitty chicken parm. Just puts me in a bad mood.

Speaker 1 But it's like, I'm going to have a bad nap.

Speaker 10 I'm going to have a bad start to the game. Got to find a way.

Speaker 1 Sounds like another analytics homework for your dad.

Speaker 1 Figure out the best chicken parm cities and how you play in them.

Speaker 8 What are the best chicken parm cities?

Speaker 10 DC was good yesterday.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Yeah.
They've got a good one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got to do a review. Oh, what's around?

Speaker 10 Every hotel, just do a review.

Speaker 10 Montreal's got good chicken parmes.

Speaker 8 But also, I feel like if the chicken parm is too good, that could be bad too, right?

Speaker 10 Oh, I'm, I'll crush as many and just, you know, I might be a little heavy that night, but just I can't turn down a chicken parm.

Speaker 8 Which describe your ideal plate setup for a chicken parm?

Speaker 10 Well, like what I like, a perfect chicken parm in my book. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 You know, I'm not like a too big a cheese on it, but like a thin chicken parm, almost like a chicken cutlet, and just like a lot of sauce, put a little olive oil on it. That's exactly what I want.

Speaker 8 What about the pasta? What type of pasta do you like with it?

Speaker 10 I usually don't have pasta with chicken parm.

Speaker 8 So, just the chicken parm.

Speaker 10 Yeah, chicken parm with sweet potato.

Speaker 8 Okay, that's a very healthy way to go about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 8 I would load up on the pasta. Yeah, no, I know.

Speaker 10 I did that, and I blew up pretty quick, so my God, I gotta take a pasta out of my. I can't be gaining this much weight during a season.

Speaker 1 Yeah, back to the Four Nations, real quick. I had one last question about it.

Speaker 1 the fight obviously in the in the round play with canada to start the game three fights in nine seconds so you guys planned that all out beforehand right did you know who you were fighting and you were just like with like no bad blood we're just gonna have to do it yeah so

Speaker 10 it happened where we were talking about it before and we're like let's unite our team we're in montreal we're the villains we're There's only 20 of us that we have just, let's just stick together.

Speaker 10 And that was a way to go about that is to to show that we're united and then it happens that before the game they give our starting lineups and we're the away team so we sent in ours first and and then they sent it and they circle on the board at we're going on two minutes four minutes and then matthew looks at me he's like like the the guy he's funny he's like he's starting he's like all right i'm first shift i'm going him and then after

Speaker 10 and like uh i'm gonna grab benny off the bench which is his teammate in florida and be like you're you're coming out, like, we're going next. And then Milsy talked to Pareko in warm-ups.

Speaker 10 He's like, we're going. And they had it.

Speaker 1 I love that. Yeah.
I love it talking beforehand and like, hey, just so you know, we're fighting. Yeah.
Right away.

Speaker 10 And so then Matthew fought. I just think, like, then me and Milsy almost had an argument about who was going next.
He's like, let me go second.

Speaker 10 And then he was like asking the defenseman Pareko out there. And he's like, we're going.
And he's like, looks at me. He's like, I'm not going.
Like, I'm like, what do you mean? Like, you're not going.

Speaker 10 Then I'm like saying to Millsy, I'm like, he's not going.

Speaker 1 Like, let me go him right away.

Speaker 10 And then we were just arguing. I'm like, I'm going him.
And then we did. And then the next whistle, then Milsy got his.

Speaker 10 It was great.

Speaker 8 It was so awesome. Was there any talk about doing that again for the finals?

Speaker 10 No, no. There

Speaker 10 wasn't much of that. It was once he got to the finals, it was just all about trying to win.
And

Speaker 10 I know people probably would have liked that again, but I think at that point, we're, you know, if it happened organically, like if they wanted to go again, but I think it was just all right from the start, just trying to, trying to get it done and just one shot away.

Speaker 8 We watched the game with a Canadian, Oldie, and he's, he is the definition of a beauty, and he was talking shit to us all the entire game just about how bad the ice is in America because he drives the Zamboni up in Canada.

Speaker 8 He's like, that's bad ice, bad job by the Zamboni guy. Did you, have you seen Oldie? Have you seen this guy?

Speaker 1 I don't, I don't. Nash's buddy.

Speaker 10 No, I don't think. I think I saw a clip, right? Because was it Yan's? Yeah.

Speaker 1 yeah yeah i remember yeah i saw a clip that he set it up right so yeah yeah so no i i didn't watch the full video but because we're ready to go at him we're like you want to go you want to go oldie he didn't want it i'll show you his side pouches after it's probably the most insane thing i've ever seen in my life you're i'll i'll send it to you yeah you the boys will get a good laugh out of it uh falls here kids are back in school vacations are over and cozy season is officially on You know what that means?

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Speaker 1 You're never going to win a PGA championship because you drank out of Brooks's PJA championship trophy? Because that's out now. Yeah, that's out.
Okay.

Speaker 10 That's out. But I'm happy that it's out.
What was it like?

Speaker 1 Brooks is a good friend of ours.

Speaker 1 He looked like he was having a great time that night. Was it fun hanging out with him? Yeah, because

Speaker 10 I was told that he was there. I was like, all right, I'll just go say hi and introduce myself.
And all of a sudden, I walk in and just, I get handed it. He's like, what do you want?

Speaker 1 What do you want in it? I was like,

Speaker 10 I guess I'll just take a beer. Yeah.
And then puts it in front of me. And I like look down.
I'm like, all right, well,

Speaker 10 I'm gonna have to chug this like I can't just have a couple

Speaker 10 sip it yet I'm like all right I gotta show him a beauty yeah

Speaker 1 but no it was good like the inner monologue of like this guy's gonna think I'm not a beauty

Speaker 1 I got it I got one touch this

Speaker 8 and then we met up after the game and had more drinks out of it and yeah it was he was he was locked in that game I think that was the night laser focus I think that was the night he bet Josh Allen to win MVP that night he did bet Josh Allen to win MVP that night and he was so focused on the game he's just staring at the game.

Speaker 8 He's like, I can't even,

Speaker 1 I'll miss something going on here. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's the man, yeah. All right, well, Brady, thanks so much.
Are you gonna get in a fight uh tonight?

Speaker 1 Because I'm like I said, I'm taking my son to the game, so I could point out and be like, See that guy right there? He's a tough motherfucker, he's gonna fight.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean, we'll have to see.

Speaker 1 All right, maybe a goal, goal, goal would work too. Yeah, Blackhawks are bad, they need to get they need to keep getting good picks.

Speaker 10 They had a big win, though, yeah, they did, they did, so yeah, it'll be a tough one, though.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I had one last thing, actually. I forgot to ask you this.
Uh, your teammate, Shane Pinto,

Speaker 8 he was asked about you, and they said, what's the most kachuck thing about Brady Kachuck? And he said, you mean, what's the rattiest thing about him?

Speaker 8 Was that a compliment?

Speaker 1 Pence. Oh, Pence.

Speaker 10 I'll take it as a compliment.

Speaker 1 I think he called it. I don't know, though.

Speaker 8 So the way that he explained it, he said that you stir the pot, but off the ice, you're super nice. But then once the game starts, you kind of switch into a different mode, like ratty ka-chuck.

Speaker 8 So do you actually feel that? Like puck drop, your personality changes?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah, no, I feel like, I don't even know when the switch happens,

Speaker 10 but I definitely feel like I turn into a completely different person. Yeah.
So it's, it's, it's fun, though.

Speaker 1 It is fun.

Speaker 8 We like that person on the ice. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Can't be bringing that home, though. Can't be bringing the rattiness back.
No, no. Just disastrous waiting to happen.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Brady, thank you so much, Captain America.
Good luck rest of the year. Get in the playoffs and appreciate you stopping by, man.

Speaker 10 Awesome. Thank you guys for having me.
That was a lot of fun. Yeah, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up the show. We got a listener-submitted FAQs.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 5 What's up, PMT crew?

Speaker 8 What's up?

Speaker 1 Hey!

Speaker 5 First, if you had to make a pickup basketball starting five of guests on the show,

Speaker 5 excluding all professional athletes, former and current,

Speaker 1 who would be on the team?

Speaker 5 Also, can we get a 999 challenge in the cave for opening day?

Speaker 8 I think I would go Rosillo.

Speaker 1 Rosillo definitely has to be on the team.

Speaker 3 Jerry?

Speaker 1 Jerry O'Connell? O'Connell?

Speaker 8 You think he could be on our basketball?

Speaker 1 He could hoop?

Speaker 3 I don't know. I feel like he could.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. This is a good question.

Speaker 5 Mark Wahlberg.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Rosillo.

Speaker 1 Fuck. This is a really good question.

Speaker 8 I'm just thinking through the tallest people that we've had on the show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Wendy. Wendy's got handles.

Speaker 1 For sure. Sandler.
Sandler, great call. So, Wendy running the point.

Speaker 1 Rossillo, Sandler.

Speaker 8 I think we might have Kane at center.

Speaker 1 Kane at center. That's a good call.
Stone Cold, power forward. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We're just all wrestlers.

Speaker 5 Those are kind of athletes, though.

Speaker 8 No, I think we should actually do all professional wrestlers, and we'll just beat the fuck out of everybody.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think of who else we got.

Speaker 5 Tom Segura.

Speaker 8 Yeah, in the dunk contest.

Speaker 1 Tom Segura in the dunk contest. Tom Tom Sega.
It's a great call. Danny DeVito.

Speaker 1 Danny DeVito, probably not.

Speaker 1 Hmm. It's a good question.

Speaker 1 We got to come up with a solid. We're pretty much.
We're building this team on Rossillo and Wendy.

Speaker 1 No, Mark Walberg. I mean, Mark Wolfberg.
Mark Walberg, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I do think Wendy would be smooth with it. I don't know.
You think he could dribble? Yeah.

Speaker 8 He just spends enough time around the game.

Speaker 1 I think he could.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 We got Rothstein. Has he ever taken a jump shot? I don't think so.

Speaker 1 I don't think Rothstein's ever taken a jump shot. Brandon Walker.
Yeah. Brandon Walker won't be bad.
Mark Titus. Well, he played.

Speaker 8 Not professionally. True.

Speaker 1 He didn't play professionally, but yeah, he would definitely, if we're, I was thinking just no athletes whatsoever.

Speaker 8 He was drafted by the Globetrotters. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good question. We've got to come up with some more.

Speaker 8 We could probably do coaches, right?

Speaker 1 Josh Duomo.

Speaker 1 He probably is a good athlete.

Speaker 11 Right? Yeah, I think he would be.

Speaker 8 Missoula.

Speaker 1 Missoula played, yeah. Skip.
1.4. Stephen A.
Stephen A. Stephen A.
There it is. There it is.
I knew we'd find it. All right.

Speaker 5 Oz the mentalist. So final answer.

Speaker 1 Wendy at the at the point

Speaker 1 Stephen A shooting guard. Yeah.
Rosillo the three or Rosillo the four?

Speaker 8 Rosillo would, if we talked to Rosillo about if he wanted to be a three or a four, he would have like an hour-long answer.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We'll put him at the three.

Speaker 1 Kane at the five.

Speaker 8 Is he a professional athlete?

Speaker 1 Who?

Speaker 8 Kane.

Speaker 1 Hank's trying to to take him away from us.

Speaker 8 Mayor Kane. He's 100% a professional athlete.

Speaker 1 He's a mayor.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 1 Who's our tallest guest that wasn't a professional athlete?

Speaker 8 Man. Who's the one person that we said you should have hooped?

Speaker 8 Yeah. Shane.

Speaker 1 Osama bin Laden? Yeah. Obi.
Shane Gillis. Shane Gillis.
Yeah, Shane Gillis at R4, and then maybe Kane at R5.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 5 Just keep throwing Kane in there, okay?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I'm going to keep throwing Kane in there. I don't know what you want me to say.
I'm going to keep doing it.

Speaker 5 Sup, fellas, how did you guys guys meet Tim Woods and start doing DD shows?

Speaker 8 Ooh, good question.

Speaker 8 That was in Barstool Gold.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Back in the day, we wanted to do some different shows that weren't sports related, something different for the people out there.

Speaker 8 We had a professional cuddler come on the show and tell us about her job. We had a marine biologist come on the show, and we wanted to do like a board game type thing, and we thought DD might be good.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's, I mean, one of the best relationships we've made.

Speaker 8 And credit to our guest booker, who just, we told her, her, go out, find a DD Jordan Barry.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Jordan. Shout out Jordan.

Speaker 1 And Tim Woods is now, he's, I mean,

Speaker 1 he's part of, I sometimes think about this,

Speaker 1 not as like we're going to end the show anytime soon, but like if whenever the show does end, if we did like a tour or like a last show, the pop Tim Woods would get when he came in would be awesome.

Speaker 1 If we did like

Speaker 1 all the best

Speaker 1 recurring guests. Yeah, kind of.
But not a clip show, but like just having them all come in.

Speaker 8 No, for like the last episode. Oh, I thought you were talking about a live show.

Speaker 5 That would be a live show. Oh, yeah, but I'm saying just the pop.

Speaker 1 The pop online if we had them come in and just had everyone.

Speaker 3 Didn't we talk about doing a 10-year anniversary show?

Speaker 1 We did. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Next year. Next year.
Next year would be 10.

Speaker 1 We actually missed our anniversary this year.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's actually we're two.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Because the show started on leap day.
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 1 We're not good with it.

Speaker 3 We're right, next year.

Speaker 1 We're not good with the anniversary. We're going to the 10th year.

Speaker 5 No, no, no, no, no, no. You just implied, you said,

Speaker 1 didn't you guys say you're doing a 10-year anniversary? Didn't we just pass it?

Speaker 3 No, I did not say just pass anniversary.

Speaker 1 We did technically miss our nine year.

Speaker 5 You were implying, you were like, I thought you were going to do one for 10 years. We are.

Speaker 1 We did miss our nine years.

Speaker 1 Which I'm actually, I'm happy about because I do. There is like a trend online to be like, oh, I've been doing this for 100 days.
Yeah. Congratulations to me.

Speaker 1 So we missed nine. Whoops.
Our bad.

Speaker 1 What we did.

Speaker 1 I thought thought you were just talking about mostly. But this is.
No, I'm not talking about mostly smokes. I'm just talking about like people who do something in college.
Something

Speaker 1 like a fifth year in college. It's like people who work out for like, you know, 50 days.
They're like day 50. Yeah, we have to do it.
I was really talking about Nikki Smokes.

Speaker 1 That's who I was talking about.

Speaker 8 We technically had our nine-year, what, four days ago? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I was talking about Nikki Smokes.
Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, next.

Speaker 5 I was just wondering, in regards to Hot See, Cool Throne or other segments, like Who's Back of the Week, if that is something we guys, you guys meet together for, whether it may be hours before each show, to make sure you are pinpointing some of the key things that have happened recently and made sure there's not overlap kind of thing.

Speaker 1 There wasn't

Speaker 1 anything to come prepared.

Speaker 5 Things you might want to say, and if other people had on their best listen, so be it. I usually just think of what would Big Cat say and what would PFT say.

Speaker 5 And then I just use that. You try to take those.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, that's a very astute question. We never have any overlap.
And we always hit all the main points in the sporting calendar.

Speaker 8 No, yeah, yeah, we have, I think it's like a 45-minute, it used to be an hour long, but now it's a 45-minute production meeting, four hours before each trip.

Speaker 8 And then we plotted out on we use post-it notes, color-coded.

Speaker 1 We did, there was a point early on where we planned a lot more, and I think we found, no, we did. Oh, for sure.

Speaker 8 We planned like topics and stuff.

Speaker 1 And say, I think we found pretty quickly that like just being ourselves is a lot, and also surprising each other with things is a lot funnier.

Speaker 1 But yeah, if you ever hear shorts on Hot Seater Seat or Cool Throne, that's because we ran out. Yep.

Speaker 8 Or keeping beers outside. Yeah.
Or Daylight Savings.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I still, I'm so mad at myself.

Speaker 8 No, the start of the show, when we did for the first like two, maybe three years, it was every topic at the start. So the main sports talk at the start.

Speaker 8 And then we would do segments after the interview. And the segments would be like Hot Seat Cool Throne was one of them.
Hurt or Injured would be another one.

Speaker 8 PR 101. I'm trying to remember the other ones that we had.
Mike Wilbon's name drop of the week. He'd play golf with Obama, not to brag.
That was another one.

Speaker 8 But we would go through whatever happened in the sports thing, hit them into one of those segments, and then the show kind of evolved from there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we realized that we're just hitting him on our own in a natural way. Don't have to put him in a bucket.

Speaker 5 When is Max doing the baseball streak?

Speaker 1 Oh, good question.

Speaker 5 This is memes. I feel like ever since PMTV came out, showing he was throwing maximum 60 miles per hour, it went dark.
Is Max scared?

Speaker 1 Great question.

Speaker 3 Well, the thing is. Let's answer the second question.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the thing is, what is the thing?

Speaker 8 Are you scared?

Speaker 1 Scared?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Probably an accurate answer there.

Speaker 3 So here, the real answer is we had it set up twice. We got rained out twice.
We were working on rescheduling for a third time.

Speaker 3 And then I broke my foot.

Speaker 3 And now the college baseball season has started.

Speaker 1 I think we got to go maybe minor league team?

Speaker 3 Maybe

Speaker 3 independent. Yeah, independently.
Yeah, I think independent is probably.

Speaker 1 The Mallards would probably do it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, independent, we could definitely find some teams.

Speaker 1 Mallards, if you're listening, let's get this set up.

Speaker 8 And we can say now we were going to do it with the University of Tennessee. Yes.

Speaker 1 It's going to be the Volves.

Speaker 3 Who won a national championship last year.

Speaker 3 I think they're currently undefeated.

Speaker 8 Max was going to get shelled by them, and they were in on it. But then because of the weather in Knoxville, we couldn't find a day that worked.
And then he broke his foot. And then he broke his foot.

Speaker 8 And I broke my foot.

Speaker 3 The breaking of the foot was the real.

Speaker 1 yeah yeah that was bad but then you won a super bowl but then i won super bowl yep and now i'm like basically healthy basically healthy yeah what does basically healthy look like i'm technically not supposed to run or jump for another like two weeks but we're taping this right before we do a challenge where we go to 15 fast food restaurants or attempt to go to 15 fast food restaurants and eat from every single one of them yeah no i'm never gonna get skinny yeah it's okay that's you listen you when we do like the combine and stuff you show out.

Speaker 1 I think that's all that matters. If you're a little overweight, it's like you got to just every now and then remind people, like, I could be in good shape.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I could be.

Speaker 3 Fathleet.

Speaker 1 Fat, fathlete. Fathlete.

Speaker 1 Fathlete. Fathlete.
I like obese better.

Speaker 3 Obeste is what's good.

Speaker 1 Obese just goes for me.

Speaker 8 Obese was a good one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you are obese.

Speaker 1 Okay, is that it? Yep. Good job, Hank.
Thanks. You look good today.
Thanks. Yeah, that's it.
Just complimenting each other. Boys.
Boys compliment each other. All right.
Numbers, memes.

Speaker 1 Happy birthday, memes. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I like compliments. Let's compliment each other.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 I really hope you get this.

Speaker 1 Here's a compliment, memes. I know at least you're trying to get this.
You're never going to get it, but I know at least you're trying. Okay.
So that's my compliment to you. Thank you.

Speaker 8 I love how much you care.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it is, and it's, it's bullshit that people keep bringing up that you didn't get it on the previous machine and the new machine, and it's getting a little ridiculous how bad you are at this.

Speaker 1 That's mean.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that's very mean. And then PFT's tweet yesterday was also very nice.

Speaker 1 What was my tweet?

Speaker 8 It's part of my meme's birthday.

Speaker 8 Everybody say something nice about him.

Speaker 1 Oh, and then what do people say?

Speaker 8 Have you ever gotten your birthday would be a lot better if you would have got the ball?

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 8 I did not want people to confess.

Speaker 5 I'm not going to sue you out, memes. Like, does that ever happen to you? Because that's when it it really gets dark.

Speaker 1 No, once they start yelling at me, that would be a real shame if people, you know,

Speaker 5 were able to identify memes. I looked at that.

Speaker 8 I just look like every generic white male.

Speaker 5 All right, so if you see a generic white male in your neighborhood, just ask them if they've ever got the lottery ball just to be safe. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 Numbers. Seven.
Three.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 It's his birthday. It was his birthday.

Speaker 1 We'll go 30. I'll give you three.
No, no, you go. No, no, no, I'll give you three.
It's not going to be.

Speaker 3 All All right, Big Cat, take 30.

Speaker 1 I'll take 30. You take three.
No, you take three.

Speaker 8 I'll take 30.

Speaker 1 You want, are you okay with this? Yeah. All right.
Are you okay?

Speaker 1 I'm fine with it. You're not going to get it either way.
So, what if it pops up? It's not going to.

Speaker 8 Go ahead. 77.

Speaker 1 99, Pug.

Speaker 8 44.

Speaker 1 21.

Speaker 1 What was yours, Hank?

Speaker 8 Seven.

Speaker 11 So, for the record, Big Cat, you have three.

Speaker 3 Memes has 30.

Speaker 1 45 45

Speaker 1 memes what just just hypothetically what would you do if

Speaker 1 three hits and you don't have it that day

Speaker 10 can't can't punch the monitor because we would lose all the files

Speaker 10 Storm out?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 I don't think I've never seen you storm out.

Speaker 1 Would you try to fist fight the person who got three? Yes. Okay.

Speaker 8 I think he would punch the person closest to him. Who's that person?

Speaker 8 It's Max. Max.
He would punch Max. That's Max.
Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. See you everyone Friday.

Speaker 8 Love you guys.