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And boys, that was a tough, tough watch. And PFT, you should be nervous.
And I should be nervous. Because the Rams are now eight and six.
Yeah, the game was terrible. Terrible.
That was a bad game. It was raining pretty hard for the first half.
but it looked like neither team could. They couldn't get the ball going on the ground.
They couldn't get the ball going in the passing game. Nothing happened in the first half.
Nothing. That's like the first game that I can remember where absolutely nothing happened in a half.
Puka Nakua made a good catch. The camera misidentified a player as being Trent Williams.
Yep. That might have been the highlight of the first half.
That might have been it. Like looking at the TV and being like, hey, that's not Trent Williams.
The first quarter specifically went three plays punt, four plays punt, five plays punt, three plays punt, three plays punt, three plays punt, six plays. This is going into – wait, we started the game one, two.
Oh, I guess there was a field goal in there but one two three four five six seven eight nine ten punts ten punts in one field goal yeah start of the game yeah you know when i watch games like this especially in prime time because if it's in on a sunday and it gets swallowed up by the rest of the slate, you can overlook it. But if it's a primetime game like this,

I look at watching it like we're making a deposit into the future football bank.

Yeah.

That money is going to go ahead and make money.

You don't always see me at returns on your investment.

But I know if I watch enough games like that,

then I'm going to watch.

If you don't love me at my 49ers Rams,

you don't deserve me at my Bills Rams.

Yeah.

That was, I mean, it was bad. It was bad.
I mean, we had the Lions-Packers game last week was great. This just happens late season, Thursday night football, just a little bit of rain, fucks everything up.
We also have to have a conversation about Brock Purdy. We should probably walk back.
Well, you know what? I'm not going to walk it back because last year he was playing like a top five quarterback. But there's been talk about him getting an extension.
I know a lot of guys are hurt, but how much can you pay Brock Purdy knowing that he's a good quarterback? He's not in the level of make everyone better quarterback. I think he is.
I think he had a very bad game tonight. He looked stupid and shitty tonight.
That's my analysis. That last throw was so bad.
It was stupid and shitty in one throw. It was dumb to throw it, and it was a bad pass.
I think he's still a very good quarterback. You think he's – give me a number.
How much I would pay him? I mean, 60 has been floated around. It's not my money um 60 a year 60 60 what i think it was 60 was floated around what was the what was the number does anyone know the number i have a question for you yes if he was in the nfc east would you want good question a rival team to sign him long term good question 65 million a year i have a question for you max holy shit would i want the giants to sign brock purdy yes i would yeah yeah but if he's on a team that's got weapons i guess milik neighbor's pretty good but if he's on a team that's like if he's on a good team he can be a very very good quarterback we've obviously seen it from him but that's the point that once you pay them then you have to actually i don't get the cat i don't get no the cap doesn't exist all right so this yeah i i think you make kind of a valid point though which is like if he's not on a team with good players then no he's not like a difference maker that can take a team to the super Bowl.
The projections that I'm reading right now.

There was a report 60 a year.

That's insane.

You can't pay Brock Purdy 60 a year.

A year?

A year.

Again, all these things are like fake money.

Yeah.

Because you don't know how much is guaranteed.

The cap is going up.

You could just be like, we're going to pay him 60 a year,

and then you can cut him after.

How did you think that salaries were broken down?

You thought it was just 60 total? Yes. 60 million dollars you're a quarterback for like five years so you're saying like 60 for five years for a second i'll do that in a second yeah no i think it's it's got to be more than like the 30s i don't know he's he's's not.
Brock Purdy? Yeah. Yeah.
This is the conversation that's going on. I mean, we've seen Brock Purdy be a good football player.
Yeah, very good at times. But it's also when all his guys are healthy and everyone else is very good at him.
Also, the thing with Brock Purdy is John Lynch kind of owes Brock Purdy. You can't play like that.
No, but think about it. You can't play like that.
Think about it. The move that John Lynch made on draft day to move up, get Trey Lance, he's not talked about as being one of the bigger draft busts of all time.
He just needs more snaps. But the fact is Brock Purdy saved John Lynch's ass by being good with the very last pick.
Yeah, I don't know what they're going to pay him. The Niners need a full reset, though, I feel like.
This was the game. If they win this game, they're like, all right, maybe we'll make it to the playoffs.
I don't think they're making the playoffs. What are the odds? Can we get the odds up? You have us watching some stupid show right now on this.
They're not going to make the playoffs. Yeah, we're watching a show.
We're watching a happy holidays show. Maybe this game just taught us that Trent Williams was the most valuable player of this team and brandon iuke and less than one percent chance and if you know what what's less than for the diners and uh trent williams is very important brandon is very important debo samuels four years ago was very important all right i mean even last season christian mccaffrey is very important very important.
They're going to have to make some hard decisions and shed some of these guys. So less than 1%, what about the Rams? Because the Rams, let's talk about the Rams.
The Rams, credit the Rams, they've won games in very, I mean, you can't win games in two different ways than what they did against the Bills four days ago, five days ago in that shootout where they score, and then figure out a way tonight to grind it out and win a 12-6 game where it felt like nothing was happening. Cooper Cup, did he have a catch? I know he didn't have a catch until going into the fourth quarter.
I don't think that he did. Yeah, I mean, Puka Nakua had a couple big plays, but that was a gutsy, find-a-way-to to win, tough, tough game for the Rams,

and now they are 8-6.

They play the Jets.

They play the Cardinals.

They play the Seahawks.

Again, I mean, I'm the biggest Commanders fan in the world now because this is –

Well, Hank, too.

Hank has a Super Bowl future.

Hank, too.

I can't have the Rams in the playoffs.

No.

The Rams have a 48% chance right now to make it to the playoffs. And what are the commanders at? The commanders.
50. That was current.
If win, it jumped up to 50 from 48. Oh, Max.
The way Max said 50 there, he's so excited. Well, that was also like it went from 48 to 50.
It wasn't like it. The commanders, if they win on Sunday, have an 86% chance.
Okay, just win that game. I control my own destiny.
If they lose 57. Oh, my God.
But there's no way. Yeah.
Oh, my God. There's literally no way.
Yeah, we're going to get to that. We talk about it in the preview, but...
Oh, my God. I can't have the Rams in these playoffs.
Max, you'd rather play the Rams than the Commanders? I mean, the Rams. Which world are we in? Yeah, what world are we in? I might paint myself green if the Eagles have to play the Rams.
That's actually a fair question. I'm going to say this.
Say it. Who would you rather play? That game we just watched.
I didn't watch a game that had been like, holy shit, I don't want to play this team. Yeah.
That was the worst football game ever. But the Rams do deserve credit for finding a way to win that game because it was ugly.
It was terrible. It was horrendous.
The Rams did look much better in a very, very shitty game than the Niners did. I said during the game, but if that was the first game ever played of football, they would never play a second game of football.
Maybe this is... They'd be like, this sport is not good.
Let's retool, get back together. We're playing rugby now.
Maybe this is the solution because Al Michaels is back for another year. So they announced that this week.
He's back for another year. Yeah, he's year to year.
Listen, I've... But hold on, PFT.
I've had my sword out for Al Michaels the last two two seasons i don't know if i've got a hold on bft maybe the solution is they just have to guarantee that there's no touchdown scored on thursday night football because al michaels was not a problem tonight he matched the energy perfectly yeah like he was the perfect announcer for this game when he's annoyed at an appropriate time then it's okay but I can't do another season of defending Al Michaels. Yeah.
I just can't do it. My men are tired.
Do you have anything for us? Oh, I thought you had one other thing for us looking up. What are the chances? Oh, no, the Niners we already did.
So wait, what are the commanders at right now, Max? 78%. 78, okay.
That's good. You guys are acting like Max, you never answered the, you never answered the question.
The end of the world. Oh, yeah, you never answered the question, Max.

In what world...

The playoffs start tomorrow.

In this world, I would like the Rams.

But in the real world...

In the real world, I would like...

It is the same world.

But see, Hank doesn't get it.

Because Hank never loses the big game.

He always wins it.

Who the fuck is the guest on this show today, dude? Oh, Hank. Nick Foles on the show and Hank had to leave midway through.
Once he started talking about the Super Bowl, Hank gets up. Watch for this in the YouTube.
He took his headphones off and he was just going off what Nick Foles was saying by my reaction. And he was getting angry.
And I was looking at him. He was like, oh, can't hear.
Everyone was acting like the fucking president was here. It made me sick.
You and Hank are pretty much the same person, Max. Did you know that? Deep down, in your core, you're the same guy.
Also, Bruins lost Game 7 like two years ago. Oh, Hank, don't even.
I saw you retweet that horrendous horrendous stat of all the Chicago teams. I want Chicago to be good.
That stat is insane. It was insane.
Honestly, though, I read it as a good thing because the tides have to turn. It was actually insane.
Chicago is a very fun city. I love living in Chicago.
Great sports town. Passionate fans.
They deserve better. Here it is, and I'm'm gonna give you guys some guesses so this is from jay kuda uh so in the last seven years he did a combination of wins playoff wins per city last seven years so uh boston has 133 wins between their four teams in the last seven years.
Philly, 72 wins. The Bay Area, which has five teams, 81 wins.
Phoenix, 38. Atlanta, 38.
Atlanta only has three teams. Denver, 94.
Tampa, 83. Toronto, only three teams.
Doesn't Tampa only have three, too? Tampa has three teams, 83 wins. Toronto has 51 wins.
They have have three teams how many playoff wins do you think the city of chicago has in the last seven years five seven years five teams five teams so the blackhawks none the cubs this does not count 2016 or does it does not okay. Okay.
So none for the Cubs then.

None for the White Sox.

The Bears don't have any either.

You're off on a couple.

Wait, does a play-in count?

Play-in counts.

Okay, let me guess five.

Four.

The answer is four.

The White Sox have two. The Blackhawks have one.
The Bulls have one. So shut the fuck up, Hank.
Max, I got your back. He doesn't understand.
All right, but again. You couldn't take Nick Foles sitting in here for a minute.
The fact that you want to play the Rams, Super Bowl champion Rams, stud quarterback, great coach. What year are we in? No, like they've won a Super Bowl recently.
Like they have a Super Bowl three years ago. But like Aaron Donald.
Same coach, same quarterback. Aaron Donald's very important.
Same coach, same quarterback. That's the same core.
Okay. Or the most dysfunctional franchise of all time with a rookie quarterback.
Hank. And you're taking the Rams.
Hank. Three Super Bowls.
Okay. Joe Gibbs.
I don't want to lose again to another person on this podcast in the playoffs. I've done it to you twice, and it's the worst feeling.
You don't understand how bad the feeling is when you lose to somebody in this podcast in a playoff game. He doesn't.
He does that. Wrong, Jake Marsh.
He got you there. Gotcha.
Either way, the Niners are dead. It's over.
Reset everything. It's over.
And then the Rams. We got a Rams problem on this podcast.
Yeah, it's a big Rams problem. We got a Rams problem.
I'm knee deep in the Rams right now. I'm with you.
I'm a brother in arm. They've got a great coach.
And somebody sent this scenario to me. This is sick.
The more it plays out. This is sick.
It's perverted. This person go to jail.
It's disgusting. Pre-crime.
They should be arrested and executed. There's a scenario that is looking more likely.
I don't want to say it's probable, but the scenario is out there and it's talking to me every day. That week 18.
Hank is so late. You want to take off your pants, Hank? I'm very excited.
I need to beat the Cowboys. Or maybe it doesn't matter if I beat the Cowboys or not.
But the commander's playoff chances come down to the Bears beating the Packers. When PFT told me that, I was like, dude, that sucks.
And he's like, no, I'll root for the Bears. I'm like, no, no, we won't beat the Packers.
It's a scenario that's out there.

And it's all I'm going to be thinking about.

It would be the worst scenario ever because there's no chance they're going to beat the Packers.

Is it separate time?

They don't do that.

They don't announce it until before.

But I think if the Bears lost that game,

that might be the top part of my take.

There's not an if, PFT.

They're going to lose that game. If you lose by like 45 points to the Packers again.
Sure. And then that knocks me out.
And then that makes Hank's bet win. And then Max is happy.
That would be real sick if it like. No, not 45.
One. If it came down, it would be really sick if it was like all the the tie breakers then it came down to point differential yeah yeah packers won by like 50 yeah yeah we're rooting in the fourth quarter because the packers are only winning by 40 points and the bears have four yards yeah and then the packers score a meaningless touchdown on the last drive you just gotta send me that i want to go don't need it i need to send it to me do your own homework okay someone send me the notes all right well we got the rest of week 15 picks and preview that game sucked i am impressed with the rams just because if you could win both again if you win those two ways in five day span that's i mean they weren't the problem tonight the nin Niners were the problem.
Yeah, somehow Sean McVay looked less wet than Kyle Shanahan, and he wasn't even wearing a hat. Yeah, Kyle Shanahan had that hood up where it's like, I don't want to be anywhere but here.
McVay was just gliding between the raindrops. Someone asked him if he wants to leave again tonight because I know he said no after he won by a million.
Better weather in Chicago. Listen, you don't have to pay Caleb Williams for a few years.
Brock Purdy's got to get paid right now. Right now.
Okay, let's kick it to ourselves. Picks and preview.
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Okay, boys week 15 and we have no more buys and we have maybe the grossest early slate and just a incredible treat in the afternoon with all the games that have, I mean, the early slate has some games that have playoff implications, but it's a lot of good team, bad team matchups. The late slate is everything.
The late slate is maybe the most perfect part of an NFL Sunday that we've had all season. You'd rather have it better late than early, though, right? You'd rather have this be this way than if you reversed it.
Yeah, shout people they go to church they're gonna get back have have great nfl matchups ready for them yeah yeah this might be the slate of the year the afternoon slate week 15 church normally ends before yeah church is like 10 yeah maybe if you got the way you guys worship maybe what time did you go to church i was went to Quaker Meeting. That was a little bit more relaxed.

Would you be hungover, stumble on in?

I went to 1130 Mass, but it would be done at 1230 and you'd be home by the 1 o'clock.

What time do games start in Central Time Zone, Max?

Well, 1130 is East Coast time.

You think church starts at 1030 in Central Time Zone?

They schedule church for football.

Do they?

Yeah.

Smart.

They should.

Yeah. There's multiple Masses, you know? Yeah, there are.
Yeah. Okay, so that's the setting for this weekend.
We've got to get through the early slate. We've just got to get through the early slate.
First up, let's do some games. First up, Chiefs at Browns.
Browns plus four over under 43.5. The Kansas City Chiefs are on a seven game against the spread losing streak, which is pretty crazy.
It is. Especially because they are 11 and one.
Yeah. Well, maybe they're just.
No, 12 and one. Are they 12 and one? 12 and one.
They're just perfect at not exerting themselves too much. They don't waste any energy.
Yeah. They don't waste any energy.
They're 12 and one, and they've lost seven games against the spread in a row. Basically, they're testing everything where it's like, we're going to be so great, but also anyone who's like, you don't get rich betting against Patrick Mahomes.
Actually, you do this year. Yeah, it's been the year to do it.
Yeah. I just want Jameis to play well enough in this game that he doesn't get benched next week.
I agree with that. Because next week, it will be Browns-Bengals,

and I just want to see Jameis Winston and Joe Burrow duel it out.

I want to see 85 points, yeah.

I think Jameis is going to be okay.

The Chiefs' pass defense...

The Chiefs have a couple problems.

Their offensive line's a problem.

Their pass defense is a problem.

Their pass defense, since Jalen Watson,

one of their great defensive backs, went out for the season is 28th in EPA.

So Jameis might be able to cook.

And also, DJ Humphreys is already questionable.

So he had a hamstring issue.

So they might be back to like, holy shit, we're shuffling along the line.

Did they get that MRI back?

Yeah.

I don't know if they did that.

I know that Andy was waiting on that.

The MRI. The MRI.
He said that. Yeah, he's like, I'm waiting like i'm waiting on this we ordered an mri yes we'll see what happens with that uh i i like what the browns did this week they cut cadarius tony which is smart yes that's addition by subtract it also tells me that uh they probably asked cadarius tony hey can you give us any information about the chief's playbook realize that he had absolutely no help on.
And they're like, well, that's really the only reason why we're hoping to have you around this week. Yeah, yeah.
So we'll see you. Yeah, yeah.
I like the Browns in this game. Do you like them straight up? I don't know if I like them straight up.
Also, another stat that might be pro-Jameis. The Chiefs are third fewest in the league in takeaways.
So they've only had 10 takeaways this year. Not turning the ball over on opposing offenses that much.
Maybe we know he's been, Jameis has been, so he had the game against the Broncos. Pick six after pick six.
He asked the Lord to deliver him from pick sixes against the Steelers. No pick sixes.
Did throw two picks. Maybe the final iteration is no picks.
No picks this week. I don't know.
I wouldn't mind if he had. I don't want James to throw no picks.
That means he's not taking enough chances. True.
I want full-blooded James. Yeah, we need full-blooded James.
You're right. I don't know.
I don't know which James we're going to get this week. It could be good.
It could be bad. I'm hoping for good.
I'm hoping for great. Browns against the spread.
Not a bad play. Browns straight up.
I don't know. It's up to you.
I don't know. Well, here's the thing, too, is this is probably the best game in the early slate just because it is the Chiefs and it's Jameis.
Yeah. Like, this is the game that I'll be watching the most, I would say.
For ball knowers, this game should catch your eye. Yeah, this game will be the best, so I will have something for this game.
What do you say, Hank? I know no one cares about your fantasy team, but I do. I am wrestling between Patrick Mahomes this week and Jayden Daniels, and this game could mean a lot for me if I go with Patrick Mahomes.
You could, yeah. What do you guys think? I think that's a man's fantasy questions are between him and the Lord.
I want to answer this, but I've got to buy in both my leagues. Okay.
Thanks. Well, actually, no.
I have the big league. I don't have a bye, but that Ebo and Bluntman are going to handle that.
Say the question again. I got you.
Jayden Daniels, Patrick Mahomes. Jayden Daniels.
Easy. No question.
Just in general or this week? Because I would say... This week in fantasy.
Okay, this week in fantasy. This week in fantasy, that's, yeah.

Jaden Daniels, for sure.

Smart man.

I mean, Mahomes could do great, but like.

I've done that too many times where I'm like, it's Mahomes,

and he just sucks.

Yeah, I mean, I think he's going to.

I think the Browns defensive line is going to be all over him.

So, like, they haven't been able to protect him.

Have they been saving Kelsey for the playoffs? I thought so, but also, yeah, maybe they have. We have to give them the benefit of every single doubt.
I don't think the Chiefs are bad. I'm not one of those, they're just lucky.
We've said this before. I think that the Chiefs, the championship DNA they have, Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, they're a type of team that if you make one mistake, they will capitalize on it, and they will make that into winning football.
I'm just more pointing out that if you're a Chiefs fan, you know there's holes. The secondary's been struggling.
The offensive line's been struggling. Can Patrick Mahomes overcome all of that? Probably, maybe.
I don't know. You probably still can.
Yeah, but I like the Browns are live here. Okay, next game.
Bengals at Titans. Titans are plus five and a half over under 46.
All the lines on DraftKings. Does the words Brian Callahan revenge game mean anything? A little bit.
Well, maybe not because him and Zach Taylor are like best friends. Yeah.
So Callahan would say that like after losses, I think it actually was the other way around i think i think zach taylor was saying after losses the only people that hit you up are like your wife and uh maybe like you're one of your parents right you up right but apparently callahan would hit him up after every loss to know exactly what to say so these guys are like very very close friends so i don't know if revenge is going to be the right thing yeah so there's maybe a little bit of a hybrid revenge i love this guy yeah it's an i love this guy game yeah joe burrow got uh robbed when he was playing monday football that fucking sucked yes there's a criminal syndicate out there that is targeting players based on their monday night football schedules it's nuts and then just invading their homes while their homes while they're known to be away. I feel bad for Joe.
I feel bad for Joe. He said his privacy has been invaded in more ways than one.
So I won't touch on the other part. I'll just say that Joe Burrow is so handsome that literally everyone finds him attractive.
Yes. Regardless of your sexual orientation, that's just a good looking human.
That's a good looking human and a cool dude yeah um i like the bangles just because the the titans are so bad have the titans given up i don't know if they've given up i don't know if they're good enough to um like if they were trying their hardest what would i don't think it would look good anyway what would be worse if this was them trying their hardest right the last two weeks the loss against the commanders and then losing to the jaguars um would it be worse if they were trying their hardest in those games or would it be worse if they were just kind of giving up on this i think it'd be worse they're trying their hardest and i think they still are trying their hardest and it's so bad that it looks it masks is giving up i feel like everybody except calvin ridley is trying their hardest calvin ridley kind of gave up yeah yeah but it's it's bad the titans are really really bad uh and the bengals are alive ish yeah we're gonna we're gonna keep doing it listen if the bengals they get to play the broncos if the colts beat the broncos this weekend and uh then Colts lose a couple games the Bengals are they kind of start not controlling their own destiny

but they have a at least a little more say in their destiny than they would otherwise.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean I want the Bengals to keep winning.

It'd be just because it'd be great going into the last couple weeks of the season if they

were still theoretically alive.

It also would just be a great playoff like it would just bolster the playoff matchups if we're like oh, first round is Josh Allen versus Joe Burrow? I mean, Bo Nix would be awesome too. So I'm not, we got good options, but the Bengals at least we know they are statistically, or technically still alive and still playing for something.
Yep, they sure are. And they're doing the whole, I'm sure they're doing the playoff start now speech.
Where's the ping pong table at? I don't know. That's going to be key for me.
The playoffs start now. Every game is a must.
Every game is a playoff game for them. And they still might not even get in the playoffs.
This is super, super wild card weekend. Yeah.
All right. Commanders at Saints.
Saints minus seven and a half. Over under is 44.
PFT, I think there's going to be a whomping. It a whopping can i can i can i can i give you some confidence well so my first question is because i don't know i haven't seen anything out there about this are we getting spencer rattler on the saints are we getting jake hainer on the same i don't think it matters because i have i have some things that are gonna maybe fill you fill you up with confidence okay the first is jay daniels is seven and one against spread versus teams under .500.
The Saints are under .500. The second is, here's a list of games, and I want you to tell me what they have in common.
Bucs 51, Saints 27, Broncos 33, Saints 10, Chargers 26, Saints 8. The overhitting three out of four of those those were the three games that derrick carr missed okay they got fucking smoked derrick carr you can say whatever you want about him but i think he uh masks a lot of the badness of the saints even though they're still bad with derrick carr sometimes uh i think it's gonna i they can't how are they gonna move the ball no der And no Taysom Hill.
Two of those games were no Taysom Hill. They lost by 20 plus.
They lost by 20 plus. Yeah, also Jaden makes his return to Louisiana.
Going to be in the Dome. I feel like he's fully healed now.
I think this is going to be a shit kick. You know what? You know what they're going to do this weekend? They're going to turn them loose.
Oh. This is the Jaden Daniels gets turned loose weekend.
Off a bye? Off a bye, feeling good, going back to Louisiana, playing. I think this is his first game in a dome on artificial turf because he played in Arizona, but that's grass.
And he played in Cincy, but that's not a dome. Yeah, it is turf, but this is the first combo artificial turf.
Wow, He's an anti-Jerry Goff. He might be.
I feel like this is going to be a – this could be a whomping. I don't want to get too confident, but it's a must whomp.
I think there's no thing as – like, I think you guys are going to win this game. I feel confident in the Commanders, and it's a must whomp.
It's a must whomp. It's a must whomp.
No, don't say must whomp. For me, it's a must whomp.
I think it just a must-womp. Yeah, so anything.
And then you've got to look over there. If the Eagles lose, then you're starting to think, ooh, next week.
Don't look in that rearview mirror. Watch out.
Watch out, buddy. Don't drop the soap.
I'm not going to overlook the Saints, though. Saints are a good football team.
I'm just trying to do coach speak right now. Yeah, yeah.
Jake Hayner does a lot of good things. jake hainer he's looked good in some of his uh pictures that he took the official team photos were very interesting that jake hainer took this season uh spencer rattler five-star guy out of high school we know he's got the talent yeah it's somewhere in there alvin kamara i mean what hasn't he done in this league says that's all you got to say he does it all you got to just say that they got some they got some playmakers on defense that have been around uh good kicking game they pay those guys too they pay those guys too being a road favorite like this is a it's still a very unusual sensation for me yeah i don't know how to feel about it but uh marshall latimore should play this weekend revenge game for him revenge game for him which will be nice and good vibes in the district it looks like we're getting rfk stadium back oh wow yeah all we had to do is trade a squadron of f-16s to maryland for it oh hell yes which is that's an awesome trade that's a story that was i think only written for me to yeah yeah but yeah what is why does maryland need dc's f-16s't know.
Are we thinking about naming an RFK Junior Stadium?

RFK Junior Stadium.

That would be kind of cool.

Yeah, no shots allowed.

Yeah.

There's some dead animals in the end zone.

I kind of like that.

Yeah, put one at midfield.

Yeah.

Yeah, not bad.

Just got to play around the whale carcass.

Yeah, you get brain worms if you play there. Yeah.

Hank, have we mentioned any of your Hungry Dog teams yet?

No.

Okay.

So the Saints are not in the Hungry Dog. So you're in the No.
Okay. So the Saints are not in the Hungry Dog.

So you're in the clear.

Yeah.

The Browns are not in the Hungry Dog.

Nope.

Titans.

Nope.

God, no.

Okay.

Okay.

Hank, what are your thoughts on this?

If the Commanders win, I know you put that bet in for them to not make the playoffs because you're Jake Hader.

I did.

Well, if the Commanders win, my Super Bowl future gets that much better, so I'd be excited. I love you, Hank.
That's so nice. That's very nice.
That was very nice of you. How about this one, Hank? Ravens a giant.
There's no way they lose this game. Like, it's...
Okay, now you're being mean. Further.
He went a little further. Now you're being mean.
Give me Hank's supercomputer projected outcome for this game. The things we just said were coach speak talking up the Saints.
You could simulate this game a thousand times. The Saints might win twice.
Oh, okay. But what's the aggregate projection? Aggregate projection, 35-7.
Okay. All right.
That's your statistical model. All right.
So are you taking the commanders this weekend? I mean, that's a pretty powerful model. A thousand times.
The Saints only win twice. Seven and a half points NFL team, though.
It's a lot. Why don't you throw the commanders in the hungry dog? Yeah, I'll tease them.
Why don't you throw the commander's money line in the hungry dog? Just use those odds. That's not how the hungry dog works.
But, I mean, it could just – it's just – it's 1,000 times they play, only two times they would lose.

I'll tease them.

Yeah, if you tease them, what would that be?

Seven and a half down to one and a half?

Yeah.

Yeah, something like that.

Yeah.

There's no chance, right?

Literally no chance.

Well, no, you said two.

Two out of 1,000.

I'll hop on that teaser too.

Yeah.

Just let me know what you do with that.

Give me the second leg.

Find the second leg for that teaser.

We'll find it as we go through the games.

How about that?

Yeah.

We'll make a PM tease.

Okay.

This is not a teaser game, but Ravens and Giants.

Giants plus 16 over under is 42 and a half.

16.

That's a lot of points.

The Giants have not been underdogs of double digits in the last 50 years at home It's a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of points Okay, so this is the centennial season for the New York Giants It's their 100th season There is a chance Because their last two home games are against the Ravens and the Colts. They're going to be underdogs, I would imagine, against the Colts as well.
Yeah. If they lose those two games, they will become the first team in NFL history to go 0-9 at home in a single season.
Damn. That's crazy.
You've got to redo the centennial season next year. Yeah.
You've just got to pretend this season didn't happen. Well, because there's no year zero, right? Right.
So do season. Damn.
That's crazy. You got to redo the centennial season next year.
Yeah.

You just got to pretend this season didn't happen.

Well, because there's no year zero, right?

So do that.

This is also, it's only the 10th time in the last 48 years

that a road team has been this big of a favorite.

It's an insane spread.

This is a college football spread.

No home team has been this much of an underdog since 2021. You know who it was? The Jaguars when they hosted the Bills, but the Jags won 9-6.
Oh, I remember that game. Who could forget that game? Yeah.
Yeah, I do remember that game. Was that like week two or something? Was it the week two or was it the last week game? Remember the season? Wait, Jaguars versus who was it?

Jaguars-Bills.

Bills.

Oh, yeah, that was.

Was that week two?

Yeah, that was like something early in the season.

I remember that.

Yeah, so we'll see what happens.

Tommy DeVito, he's back.

Tommy DeVito. Remember him?

Italians are back.

Also, we had a weird story this week that Lamar Jackson shared that his mom was mad at him for not running enough. So he my mama just told me that she cussed me out this after the game against the eagles i'm mad we're gonna get after it i'm not gonna lie to you we're gonna go get after it i can't wait for this bye to get on we got the giants coming up she said there were lanes i should have taken and ran i was just trying to let guys develop routes uh yada yada yada he then also had a tweet yesterday said i can't wait for the internet to crash yeah is that because people were like hey your mom tells you what to do i don't know what that was about why the buddy pregnant yeah why the buddy pregnant all-time tweet i don't know yeah why was lamar jackson i i would imagine that most people most of the feedback lamar gets gets online is generally positive.
Yeah, I would think so. Right? Unless he's missing a practice for diarrhea.
Yeah. Or losing in the playoffs.
Or losing the playoffs. Yeah.
That's probably not a good time for him to go online. This would make more sense if he tweeted that out in January.
Yeah. But the Ravens are also prone to weird games.
But the Giants are really bad. That's a good point.
Counterpoint, the Giants are so, so bad. So in their seven home losses, they've been outscored 164 to 71.
No Dexter Lawrence. They're just so bad.
They're such a bummer. Are they the worst team? They might be the worst team.
I don't know. Titans.
Titans might. I'll say this.
Without Dexter Lawrence, I think they might be the worst team. I think they would take the cake.
So it would be between the Giants, the Raiders, and the Titans. If Daniel Jones was starting, I don't think that they would be the worst team, though.
I agree with that. But it is kind of crazy that he probably would have found them a win somewhere.
Yeah, they're doing elective surgery to make themselves uglier right now. Right.
Okay, so the next game, Cowboys at Panthers. Panthers minus three over under 43.
So the Panthers, I think we all agree, have been playing good football football i think if you just look at the pan if you throw away uh everything before andy dalton got into a car accident yep then i think the panthers are like an average team that has actually been trending in a very good direction like an above average team right now they're the one of the bad teams that is still playing really hard and in pushing teams to the limit and uh was thinking, I was like, man, what is this turnaround? Like, you know, Bryce Young obviously has been great. There was a report this week that David Tepper has actually taken a hands-off approach to the team.
Smart. So that might be why the Panthers are good again.
Very smart. Good is a relative term.
This is the first time they have been favorites in 33 games. So, I

kind of like the Panthers this week. I do too.

I kind of like them straight up. Uh-oh.

I mean, they are... Oh, Hank's going

hungry dog with the Cowboys?

Gomas Hank? They let down spot.

Hank Gomas? A let down spot

for the Panthers. Listen to you guys.

They've lost three in a row. But you guys

are talking about them like they're a good team.

It's fair. I said relative.
I said they're a good team relative to... PFT just said above average.
I think they're playing above average football right now. They should have beaten the Eagles last week.
They should have beaten the Chiefs. They should have been the Eagles.
They went to overtime against the Bucs. Let down.
But they haven't won those games. But they're riding high.
But they haven't won them. Hank kind of makes a little bit of sense.
Like the Panthers, we've never talked about the Panthers. It's like Mike Tomlin, Steelers as home underdogs, Panthers as favorites.
As road favorites. But the Cowboys stink.
They almost beat the Bengals. Well, the Cowboys also have some bad injuries.
Yes. And Overshawn's out, right? Yep.

He's out for a long time.

So to me, Overshawn, the way that he's played this season,

if you compare it just straight up to how Micah Parsons has played this season,

Overshawn, I think, has been their best defensive player.

Cooper Rush isn't good.

Neither are the Panthers.

Okay.

They're playing good ball. It's just Panthers road favorites no they're not road they're home home panthers favorites fade you don't want to go into the bank probably bank of america i think type of bank yeah you don't you don't go into the bank like that yeah you don't do that you don't go into that bank they're gonna pound that keep pounding key pounding drum.
Somebody's going to break that drum this weekend. That's my call.
Chubba Hubbard. Memes, what's up with the sunglasses? So there's a light in there that I guess I haven't noticed still now, and I've just been staring at it.
Now my eyes are all fucked up. You couldn't stop staring at the light? It's literally been there since we've been in this studio.
Which light? It's above your left shoulder.

And you just started staring at it and couldn't stop?

Yeah.

What are you, moth?

I was looking at the screen, and then I was seeing dots, so now I got sunglasses.

You look ridiculous wearing sunglasses during the podcast.

Above.

This one?

Yeah.

Oh, it doesn't even look like it's on to me.

It's very bright.

Got it.

It's literally been there since we've started the show.

And you just caught eyes with it.

Yeah.

And it's just-

It's all I could see.

Are you still staring at it right now with the sunglasses?

It's literally been there since we've started the show. And you just caught eyes with it.
Yeah. And it's just...
It's all I could see. Are you still staring at it right now with the sunglasses? Is this a rebrand? Yeah, make me like PFT.
Yeah. Okay.
You wish. You get the lottery ball, maybe.
So you're going Cowboys. Panthers have covered five straight as well.
Letdown. They've lost three in a row.

I mean, Hank is kind of right in that nobody has talked about the Panthers

in such glowing terms as everybody's been talking about the Panthers recently.

But that might just be because they've been playing well.

And we're so shocked at Bryce Young.

It's been shocking.

Yeah.

Because we thought we had written the book.

Yeah, classy guy.

Very classy. Bryce Young, did you see him? He said a prayer in the game.
Who was it that got injured on the Eagles? I don't know. But there was a guy who went down.
CJ Gardner Johnson went down twice. I don't know if it was him, but he said a prayer.
Yeah. I didn't see this.
Yeah, you would never do that for an opponent. No.
Yes, I would. Is CJ Gardner Johnson okay? I believe so.
Oh, so the prayer worked. Yeah.
So, wow, Bryce Young. Maybe you should thank Bryce Young.
Say thank you to Bryce Young. Thank you to Bryce Young.
Okay. I have no problem with Bryce Young.
He's a good quarterback. He thought some prayers do, and it worked.
Yeah. Okay, next game.
Jets at Jaguars. Jaguars plus three over under 40 and a half.

We have said we're not talking about the Jaguars anymore.

We also said that this would be when Hank can maybe unload some conspiracy theories on us.

I also have a very funny anecdote I'd like to share with the boys before we hear from Hank.

Remember on Wednesday when we were talking about Juan Soto and the fact that Yankees fans are now doing a spin zone where they're like, oh, that guy, he can't even play defense. Well, we actually had a similar situation happen for a murder because I overheard Max in the gambling cave yesterday say, yeah, I heard actually Luigi is Greekreek a real thing he said he's like his full name luigi mangioni he's greek greek guy he's a greek guy i saw a tweet okay but that was an all-time spin zone to be like yeah someone told me that uh he actually be Greek.
This guy. This guy right here.
Greek individual. Greek and Italians are sometimes close.
Luigi Mangione. Is Mangione, is that? What's the country of origin on that? Greece.
It could be. You can't find anything.
None of these say Greece. I know.
I don't know where. It was like an ancestry thing.
Someone's got a ancestry in me.

Oh, my God.

But it's just so funny that Max is like, I've got to move away from this murder.

He's Greek. I heard he's Greek.

He's actually Eastern Italian, which is pretty much Greek.

You know, there's countries in between.

I will find this.

I just never thought that would happen where you get that kind of spin zone where you're

trying to disavow by changing where he's from. Mangione.
All right, so Hank, your conspiracy theory. What do you got for us? The government has- All right, good start.
Good start. They have technology that's illegal to use to track and find someone like Luigi, which they used- The Greek guy the greek guy which they used illegally to find him and then planted uh you know they planted all the evidence the mcdonald's worker the written manifesto to cover their tracks about the fact that they illegally they basically just like uh edward snowden type stuff where he uncovered that they were you know illegally surveying people and illegally tracking people they basically used that type of technology to find him and then planted evidence that fit the narrative okay how'd they know it was him though they used illegal stuff okay and then the mcdonald's worker also a government employee the mcdonald's worker was a plant and that's why they're not going to get paid oh yeah so i did hear about this yeah yeah so the the person in mcdonald's that allegedly called the cops is not going to get whatever the fifty thousand dollar reward yeah there's honestly like a low reward for this but 50 grand reward because they did not call like crime stoppers they which they dialed 9-1-1 what is crime stop crime stoppers is the company that you call if you see a criminal and they give you money that's crazy yeah so this guy's not or this man or woman is not getting paid for that that's because they dialed 9-1-1 that makes no sense it's a loophole about the eyebrows? Eyebrows are suspect.
There's some pictures where there's a much bigger separation in the pictures they use to try and find him than what he actually has. And then I don't know how this connects to the drones, but I'm still working on that.
Yeah, the drones. We need some reports on the drones.
I'm happy we're out of Jersey. I was in Jersey.
I i'm happy i'm out of there those drones are just hovering huh someone said someone was like not to be an alarmist but i've figured out what the drones are doing and they're looking for uh atomic bombs okay not to be alarmist not to be alarmist but the drones i've i've heard that they came out of the ocean somebody like in the coast guard said that the drones came out of the ocean, which means that they could be aliens, too. And then President Pug was reporting that they might be aliens, but good news, they're aliens that are fighting against other aliens, protecting us from the other aliens.
So President Pug's got it. By the way, Max is still looking for the Greek thing, and he can't be an alien.
You made this up. I may have just made this up in my head.
I could have swore. The whole time we've been talking, he's been furious.
We can see his computer. He's been furiously typing in different things in the search bar being like, Greece, Greek, ancestor.
It's like there's no way that an Italian could commit murder. I saw.
Does Luigi Mangione pay his taxes? You ever hear of Socko and Vincetti? I saw like an Ancestor.com thing that was just like a screenshot of his... It could have been any screenshot now that I think about it.
I don't... I'm just going to shut up.
How about his cousin, though? Or not his cousin, his old roommate throwing him under the bus. Dude, his roommate called up...
Was it the Daily Mail? Called up the newspaper and said, Yeah, you know, I lived with him for a while uh his back was so bad that he couldn't fuck he never had sex because his back was too bad i'm pretty sure that if you are able-bodied enough to like get up go to new york shoot somebody ride a bike yeah get on a bus go to altoona pennsylvania you could probably have sex yeah i'd agree the uh there's nothing whenever like something happens whether it's a Murder,ona, Pennsylvania. You could probably have sex.
Yeah, I'd agree. There's nothing, whenever something happens, whether it's a murder, a tragedy, whatever it could be, and you have the news the next day and it says, former roommate or former friend, I immediately am like, that guy's a scumbag.
He literally saw something and was like, oh, ask me about this. What the fuck, dude? Also, this is just just conspiracy theory i'm not saying i believe this just connecting dots uh diddy allegations come out bridge blows up right remember that good point jay-z allegations come out drones happen oh so like whenever something in the news happens then there will be another news story that happens.
Well, there's these elite rings that there are,

the elitists and the people in the Illuminati,

they're worried about getting busted,

and they're pushing the distraction button.

And it's like distraction button is drones.

Drones.

Bridge.

Where does Mangione fit into this?

Distraction.

We just need to send him back to Greece. Was he a distraction distraction from jay-z or was jay-z a distraction from him he was because he jay-z happened what is going on jay-z can someone tell me yeah uh did he yeah did he did he related allegations there's a uh a woman that is suing him so it's a civil case and the same attorney davby, I think that's his name, Busby, whatever it is.
He's out of Houston. He's the same guy that represents all the Deshaun Watson accusers.
Him and his client have filed a civil case against Jay-Z claiming that he raped a 14-year-old girl. That's bad.
And then Jay-Z said, like, take my name out of your mouth. You're about to find out where i come from got it and then roger goodell said we're still doing the halftime show all is good yeah he's like roger goodell would never lie roger goodell said we're gonna stick with jay-z and wait for all the facts to come out got it yeah i'm i was yawning so i asked president pug to grab me a coffee real quick, do you have any thoughts on the drones real quick? Do you want to say it in there? Yeah, it's probably alien.
I've heard it's aliens protecting from other aliens is what I've heard. Okay.
Pug. Got it.
That kind of wraps it up. I don't know what anyone else is going to look for.
Marvel versus DC. Probably aliens protecting from other aliens.
That's what I've heard. Make that a whole quote.
It's good aliens. Probably.
Good aliens are protecting us. Okay.
Why do the good aliens want to- Wait, come back in. Come back in.
Come on. Why do the good aliens- Why are they protecting us? What's in for them? Are they just nice? Apparently, they've been here the whole time, but just in the water.
Okay. And when the bad aliens, I guess, are threatening now, so they came out to protect us against the bad aliens.
So they're our saviors. Yes.
And how do I tell the difference? If I'm outside and I see an alien, how do I know if it's a good alien or a bad one? That's the scary part. I don't think we know.
Okay. Okay.
But you know the other part. Yeah.
Because saying, I don't think we know. Is this just the plot of Transformers? You understand saying I don't think we know okay okay yeah but you know the other part yeah because like saying i don't think we know what is this just the plot of transformers you understand saying i don't think we know would imply that everything else you said before that is like well that's facts well we know they're protecting us but we don't know like the war with the bad aliens got it no got it okay we don't know like the result of that yet yeah because it's ongoing yes okay'll keep us updated.
I'm on whoever's side wins. Yeah.
Okay. Okay.
All right. Who just said all this stuff? Pug.
All right. Thank you, Pug.
Memes, do you have anything about the Jets? We can talk about the Jets. I think this is going to be a shit kicking.
By? The Jets. Okay.
Okay. This is actually my game of the year.

Oh, okay.

I think they're going to take all the frustrations out of this dog shit season

onto the Jaguars this Sunday, and that's it.

I actually don't disagree,

and it's also just simple like Aaron Rodgers versus Mac Jones.

Yeah, you guys want to hear the sad stat of the day?

Yeah.

Aaron Rodgers averages 260 yards for the next four games. He'll be the single-season passing leader of the New York Jets.
Wait, say it again? If he averages 260 yards a game for the next four games, he'll be the single-season passing leader for the Jets. That seems like a lot of yards, though.
Yeah, but he's kind of in that range. And it's an extra game.
Yeah. Yeah, but still.
Those aren't like the Bears passing sad stats. When they do the thing like the, what is it, 4,000-yard passer? Yeah.
It's everyone's, it's all the pictures, and they're just blank for the Bears. Is Caleb on track for that? I don't think this year, but next year, yes, he is.
Okay. I mean, I don't disagree with you.
It feels like this is a weekend for the Jets' offense to do something. Well, the Jets offense hasn't been bad.
Top five. Top five.
They put over 20 the past couple games. Not the offense versus Seahawks.
Okay, let's see. The last couple games for the Jets.
Okay, so the last couple games for the Jets. Yeah, he scored some points against the Dolphins.

The Seahawks game, they did not score 21 on offense.

Yeah, they did 14.

Okay.

And then you scored 27 against the Colts.

Was that any, none of that was pick sixes or anything?

Nope.

All offense, Brees Hall.

All offense, Brees Hall.

Okay.

And then you scored six against the Cardinals. So two out of the last four games, the offense has scored over 20 points.
They're figuring it out. This is actually the last few games of the season for the Jaguars.
I know we're not supposed to preview them, but we have a potential narrative that could stick around for a while developing. Okay.
So I'm sitting up. Head coach of the Jaguars, Doug Peterson, still the head coach.
Mm-hmm. They should, if he wins this game, they should fire him.
Because that would put him one game above 500 lifetime. Oh.
As a head coach. I like that.
And you don't want to be like one of those statistics where it's like this Super Bowl winning coach is actually below 500 for his career. Yeah, you're right.
The nice thing to do for the Jaguars would be to fire Doug Peterson with a win. Yeah, I think you're right.
Yeah. Fire him after a win.
Let him get above 500. They're not going to win this game, though.
Memes is right. I think memes is right, too.
Okay, Dolphins. Memes is always right.
Dolphins and Texans. Texans minus three.
This is the last game of the early slate. This one actually has some playoff implication because Texans are eight and five off a bye.
Dolphins still technically alive. So Texans minus three over under is 46 and a half.
Can I point out one thing? Because Tua's been hurt this year, we haven't been able to do the, like, hey, fraud dolphins thing. Tua's five wins this year are the Rams, good-ish team.
Yeah, good team. Are they above 500? They are 6-7, I think.
All right, so close enough. The Rams, the Jaguars, the Raiders, the Patriots, and the Jets.
Oh, there's 7-6. All right.
There they are. So let me say it again.
The Rams, the Jaguars, the Raiders, the Patriots, and the Jets. The losses for two of this year, Buffalo twice, Arizona Green Bay.
Texans are above 500. We should remember the fact that the that the dolphins just can't beat a team above 500 yeah but i think i like the dolphins straight up this weekend but did you hear what i said i did i heard that i still like them i still like them because i don't think the texans they're not in that obviously the the cardinals they don't kind of qualify the same way that the bills would qualify as like a very very good.
Or the Packers would qualify as a very, very good team. But I don't think that the Texans are a super good team.
But are the Texans closer to the Bills and the Packers or the Jaguars, Raiders, Patriots, and Jets? Probably closer to the Packers. That's my only thought in this game not really deep level thoughts but that was my thought so i mean what you're saying is essentially if the texans beat the dolphins then the texans are a good team and if they lose then they're a bad they're a bad team yeah yeah this really has a lot to do with yeah tell us what happens.
Tell us what happens. Yeah.
Yeah. Basically.
That makes sense. Anything else for this game? I got nothing else.
That's about it for me. That's the early slate.
Let's get into it. You know what? Let's build up to the three games.
Let's build up to the three great games. Let's start with the ones.
There's a couple mixed in there that are not. Actually, there's four great games in the afternoon, but one bad one.

Hank, Patriots or Cardinals.

Cardinals minus six over under 46.

I'm happy this game's in the afternoon.

Yeah.

Get swallowed up.

Swallowed up.

Should we talk about Bill Belichick?

Yeah.

UNC.

Happy for him.

Your beloved Tar Heels.

Yeah.

Think it probably will work out.

It was funny seeing that whole, like, Bill Belichick basically was saying,

fuck you to the NFL.

While I believe that, I also think there's an element of Bill Belichick being like,

if I'm not going to get, I don't want to do another hiring cycle where I don't get hired.

I'm going to go take this into my own hands.

Yeah.

And I think he's going to be successful at UNC.

I really do.

I don't know.

I'm not saying that he's not. Yeah.
Because he's obviously one of the smartest and best football coaches of all time. But there's a lot that's different about college.
Yeah. From the NFL.
Well, that was the fun. And to think that you're going to jump into it and immediately be able to run the best program.
Yeah. I don't think that.
I think it's going to be a lot more complicated than even he thinks it's going to be. I mean, Bill O'brien has done decently well with boston college this year in terms of like writing them and i don't think they're going to win the acc next year i think they'll just look a lot more competent than they have um but did you read that article where he was like i'm just tired of like the bullshit in the nfl yeah feels kind of weird to be like i'm tired of the bullshit in the NFL.
Let me go to somewhere where there's significantly more bullshit.

Yeah, college football is the bullshitest sport.

That's what we love about it.

It's all bullshit.

It's insane.

There's so much crazy shit that happens all the time.

The NFL is pretty buttoned up for the most part,

but there's wild stuff that he can't even account for in that.

I like the people that are pointing out some coaches have been successful

as NFL coaches that then transition into college coaches, and i love the fact that they're including nick saban in that list as like a great nfl coach that proved that he just make the transition to college football and win there yeah so hank i think he spent you know obviously he wasn't coaching this year his son was so i think he think he obviously got to hear and see how the way things worked

and made the decision that he thought he could handle it.

I don't think he's going into it blind

and it's going to be blindsided by the way college and recruiting

and all that stuff works.

He's seen it.

He knows how it goes, and he made the decision himself to take the job.

He obviously has the 400-page.

I would love, love, love to get my hands on that manifesto on his manifesto i think it's going to be exciting i think you're going to see a different side of bill i think you know you saw it this year where it's like he was a hard-ass nfl coach because he knew that's what it took to win i think he's going to know that he has to show his softer side which he did this year in the media and he's going to do it with coaching where it's like it's not going to be the same NFL Bill Belichick. It's going to know that he has to show his softer side, which he did this year in the media.
And he's going to do it with coaching where it's like, it's not going to be the same NFL Bill Belichick. It's going to be a different type of Bill Belichick where it's like, he's going to do what he has to do to win.
It's like back to school with Rodney Dangerfield. He's going to be, he's going to be cool guy, Bill to an extent.
Yeah. To a certain extent, I think he's going to be more like the NFL, you know, the NFL players would be like, he was such a hard ass, but it's different when, you know, players are under contract.
They getting paid so much money. Obviously, with NIL, it's a little bit similar.
But I think he's going to be successful. I am happy that he's at UNC.
Yeah. Yeah, it's cool.
You've always been a Tar Heel. I mean, listen, obviously the Duke stuff, I was a Duke fan growing up.
But again, I am very close with Caleb. I've known him since I was 22.
When I first went to UNC, it was Mitch, Matt Collins, Switzer, Jeff Schottmer. And so I've had some Carolina football relationships since I've been 22.
So I have nothing against Carolina football. Drake May, greatest trainer of all time.
Some of your best friends are UNC. And if Bill Belichick is using Caleb to recruit,

that's going to be awesome.

Can we make you a split jersey?

That would be awesome.

A UNC football, Duke basketball?

Or, yeah.

And golf.

I'm going to get a Drake May Patriots-UNC split.

Oh.

I like that a lot.

That would be hot, yeah.

So you think he's going to be...

When you say successful, first year.

Playoff.

What? College football playoff. We should have won the ACC.
Yeah. I know.
Okay. Playoff in the first year.
Yeah. What kind of props is old Bill going to have on the sideline? You know, the turnover chain, turnover hoop.
You got gotta appeal to the kids how i feel like he's going to build a staff of people that do all that he's got lombardi as the gm which i didn't even really i guess that's a new thing with nil but he's going to build a staff and he's like he knows what he wants to do and he's going to build a staff he's got his son he's going to build a staff who do most of the shit he doesn't want to do and he's going to focus on winning do you think he's going to ban tick tock no yeah probably can't do that i i i agree with you that i think i don't think he's going to play off in one year but i think if he sticks it out like i think i said this on wednesday but there is a compelling case for bill belichick shows up to your living room and says, hey, I can get you in the NFL. It's kind of like the Cal.
I can get you in the NFL. I know what it takes to get you in the NFL.
I know what it takes to play NFL football. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that you need an education and UNC is like some – all this.
I'm just going to get you the NFL. Go back to what works at UNC, the Butch Jones era.
Like I wouldn't be shocked if Bill Belichick gets a program running that's like maybe they don't win, get to the playoff, maybe they don't win like a ton and ton of games, but they're like getting guys in the draft every year. And the transfer portal, like he's always been good at getting the most out of guys that you wouldn't expect.
True. He's going to be able to, you you know watch film and watch other teams and players and stuff and get them in the transfer portal and all of a sudden they're going to be good can you evaluate a quarterback i think that there will be some people in the portal that would take less money to play for bill belichick for sure can he evaluate a quarterback yes sure yeah with the new rules Jones.
So there's Cam Newton. Cam Newton was good.
Cam Newton got hurt. He was good his first year, and then he got injured.
Well, how come he didn't start Tom Brady initially? Why didn't he draft Tom Brady in the first round? He had a six-round grade on Tom Brady. I actually agree with you, so I don't know.
I'm just trolling you.

I think he's going to be good.

And it's also just going to be hilarious watching him be pissed off at 18-year-old kids on the sideline.

Yeah.

It makes the ACC significantly more fun with Bill Belichick.

Also, if you're a college ref and Bill Belichick screaming at you

from this call, you think you're saying, I fucked that up.

Yeah.

He's going to hate Dabo so much.

I saw that tweet.

It's like Bill Belichick's face when he sees Dabo running down the hill. Yeah.
He's going to hate him. He's the anti-Dabo.
Yeah. I also think part of this was just the colors because I've said it before.
If you're thinking about going to a school and you see the Carolina blue, do it. Is that going to mellow him out? The nice calming shade of blue? Yeah, I think he's been chilled.
I think you've seen the good side and the chill side of Bill Belichick this year. I think he's going to, to some extent, The only thing that shocks me, I did think he wanted that Shula record.
But maybe he also was like, Andy Reid is hot on his tails and Andy Reid's going to, if Bill Belichick takes over another NFL team, there's no guarantee they're going to win 12 games a year Andy Reed's almost guaranteed 12 games a win a year and he's I think he's a control freak yeah it also would be a crazy like and he's a family man well and it also would be like his legacy is already cemented as one of if not the best coach of all time if If he does successful in college, that's like insane.

He's like, oh, I did it.

I just did it for fun.

Is his girlfriend going to enroll at grad school?

Maybe.

She probably already is.

Yeah, that's cool.

Yeah.

Okay, Cardinals.

I like the Cardinals.

I don't disagree.

I think they need this game.

I also think they're going to be able to run the ball,

and that's like the big thing.

The Cardinals can run the ball.

Everything else works. Yeah, I agree.
I think the Cardinals buy a decent margin in this game i also think they're gonna be able to run the ball and that's like the big thing the cardinals can run the ball everything else works yeah i agree i think i think the cardinals by a decent margin this game if kyle can stop turning the ball over because he's had he had two last week yeah and then one or two interceptions each in the previous two games yeah he needs to stop turning the ball over kyle stop turning the ball over uh okay colts at broncos broncos minus four over under 44. This is a crazy swing game in the playoff picture.
So the Colts, if they win this game, will have a 66% chance of making the playoffs. With a loss, they'll have an 11% chance.
And the Broncos, with a win, will have an 89% chance of making the playoffs and a 42% chance with a loss. So, holy shit, it means a lot.
Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of rooting for the Colts in this just to keep more chaos in the playoffs. Because this is the first time in a while, I feel like, where we're kind of almost set.
Other than this, and I guess the Rams and Commanders, but there's not like a ton that's still up for grabs in terms of we have, at least in both conferences, five or six teams that are almost guaranteed set. And if you're rooting for the Bengals to still be in the conversation at all, then you're definitely rooting for the Colts this weekend.
Yeah, yeah. Hungry Dog Hank? Hungry Horse? Yep.
Colts. No Riley Moss for the Broncos.

That's significant.

Shane Steichen off a bye.

Both teams are off a bye, right?

Yeah.

Both teams are off a bye.

I kind of like that, Hank.

I don't know if they can win outright.

But Anthony Richardson, he's kind of showing me something.

Colts defense not that great recently.

Yeah.

Bo Nix might go off.

He is Bo Nix.

He's got so much dog, he makes people uncomfortable.

I want the Colts to win this weekend, but I feel like the Broncos have been playing much better football.

Yeah.

Okay.

The other one that's significant in the afternoon, but not one of the marquee ones.

Bucks at Chargers. Chargers minus 2.5 over under 45.5.
I need Ladd McConkie to play. That's really all I got.
Yeah, people are pissed off. Chargers fans are pissed off because Ladd was left off of ESPN's list of top 10 rookies.
Oh, that is actually very... I would be pissed off.
Yeah, so they're mad about that. And I think they're mad fairly, not just because he should be on there, but when they listed what the stats for each rookie were, they had the wrong number of receptions and yards for him.
I think they shortchanged it by like 150, 200 yards. Oh, shit.
Yeah. So Chargers fans are pissed off.
They have every right to be pissed off. The Bucs, this is a big game for them.
Huge. Huge game for the Chargers.
So if they lose for the chargers back to percentages if the bucks lose their playoff chances are down to 59 if they win they're up to 87 and no anton winfield which is uh big uh also do you guys know that justin herbert's only thrown one one one interception this year. Was it 14 touchdowns? Week two.
One pick.

So he's gone 11 straight games with no interceptions?

Week two.

And I think, is that the record or he has like one more to go?

I think he has one more to go.

So if he throws no picks against the Bucs,

then he has the record for most consecutive games started

with like a minimum of 15 attempts, I think.

Yeah.

Also, the Bucs are going to want to blitz, and Justin Herbert's the best quarterback in the NFL this year against the blitz. So what do you got, Max? Talk us through the top 10 list here.
Ladd McConkie just missed is the category that they have. Yeah, I don't agree with that.
And I think they updated those receiving yards for him. Did it used to be wrong? Yeah, those were lower.
It was like 600-something. Wait, Lab McConkie just missed and they did a top 10 with 11 because they have a tied for 10th? Yep.
Brian Thomas and Cooper Jean. Okay, I mean, those guys are both...
Marvin Harrison. I don't think Marvin...
Yeah, Marvin Harrison shouldn't be on there. Joe Alt.
Yep. That makes sense.
Zach Frazier. Malik Neighbors.
Yeah. Quinion Mitchell.
Bo Nix. Bo Nix, number four.
Jared First. Wait, hold on.
James, number two. Brock Bowers won.
Brian Thomas isn't there? He was tied for ten. Oh, he's tied for ten.
But he was the first ten. I missed it.
That's crazy. Yeah.
He's been... Good rookie class.
Good rookie class.

He should be in there instead of Marvin Harrison.

Yeah.

Marvin Harrison, 45 receptions.

Brian Thomas also has been very consistent.

Caleb Williams also just missed.

Just missed.

Okay.

I got no issues with that except for Ladd.

Ladd should be on there.

I don't know if Brock should be number one.

He's broken records in his position.

He's great, but. Quite literally.
What's the most important position in the NFL? Probably maybe tight end. Maybe tight end.
Okay. Oh, yeah.
Bucs, Chargers. I kind of like the Chargers.
I kind of like the Bucs. Mm.
Mm. Kind of like the Bucs.
I don't know. What are they going to do with Bucky Irving?

Is he going to play or are they going to dangle Bucky around for us again? They're going to screw us?

We're going to have to file a lawsuit. They might screw us.
They might.

Okay. Max.
Steelers and Eagles.

Eagles minus five and a half over under is 43. Will Jalen Hurts play better? He said that he will.
Oh. Oh, how do you say that? He said that I do well when criticized or something like that.
So he's saying that AJ Brown's criticizing. Wrong.
He said that when the media and the fans are criticizing. AJ Brown did say BG was just being BG, talking about Brandon Graham, which means everything Brandon Graham said was correct.
Jordan Mailata had the best response to it. He was just joking around, saying, he was like, I'm happy to be talking about it now, because the more we can talk about it now, the more we can eliminate and just focus on the Steelers.
That doesn't sound like a joke. That's a good spin zone.
No, he wasn't joking about it at first. Well, they start off and he's like, you guys think I spread the rumor? You guys think I spread the rumor? And then he was joking.
Then he went down. It's classic Jordan Milad.
Are you nervous, Max? So, I like the Steelers in this game just because Mike Tomlin is an underdog. The Steelers have not won in Philadelphiailadelphia since 1965 uh been a long long time and but mike tomlin is an underdog we've said it a million times 65 against the spread he's five and oh this year straight up and against the spread so every time he's been an underdog this year they've won straight up and more than anything this is i max i'm wondering what your thoughts are on this this feels like it could be a recipe for disaster where you have an entire week of everyone being like, the passing game is broken.
Jalen Hurts doesn't look good. So now he's like, I'm going to play better.
I'm going to throw it more versus a really good Steelers defense. I don't think that that's necessarily going to be the case.
You think they're going to try to – They're still going to going to run the ball. Okay.
It's a very good defense, though. Yeah.
Correct. And we have a very good defense, and their best weapon is out.
Mm-hmm. So that's – where are they going to score? Well, they've got other receivers.
Mike Williams, who's – Yeah. He played good last weekend.
Okay. It sounds like you're overlooking the Steelers.
I'm not overlooking the Steelers, but it seems like you're underlooking the Eagles. No, I don't think we are at all.
I mean, you just went for 10 Steelers. They're favored.
We're underlooking the... The Eagles are favored.
Correct. So how can we underlook them? We're underlooking the Steelers, or the Eagles.
Yeah. We're underlooking them.
We just said that Pittsburgh hasn't won in Philly since 1965. They've lost 10 straight.
I know, but you were saying that as like, I don't know. How are you feeling on this game? I feel good.
You feel good? I feel good. You feel strong? Yeah.
You feel confident? Yeah, I feel confident every week. Jerry said he wasn't going to bring his gun.
Jerry doesn't feel confident. Jerry said he was not going to bring his gun to the game.
I know. That was nice of him.
Yeah. You can tell Jerry when he...
I'm scared of... I'm scared of Jerry.
Yeah. What do you mean you're scared of Jerry? He's...
You should be. If you have to clarify that you're not going to bring your gun.
Yeah. No, but he said I'm not going to bring my gun.
Correct. So that should make you not scared of Jerry.
How clear could it be that he's not bringing his gun? You know what? I'm not going to bring a gun either. There you go.
Facts. When Jerry doesn't say that before he gets back, that's when you should be terrified.
Yeah, you should. When he says he's not going to bring his gun, it's like, damn, all right, great.

It's not even the point.

He told me that in the context of if I bring my gun, I may shoot you.

So I'm not going to bring my gun.

You can tell Jerry's nervous, though, because he is doing the thing where he walks around

and he's just telling everybody, I don't think George Pickens is going to play at all for the rest of the year.

He's like out.

According to Jerry, George Pickens has retired from the NFL. Yeah yeah because his hamstring hurts max can i can i overlook you can i stop underlooking you for a second with a stat yeah overlook them and i love these stats uh the rushing yards leaders saquon barkley is in first right we know that 1623 second place derrick henry with 1407.
You know who third place in the NFL is? Saquon Barkley in the second half. Saquon Barkley before contact.
Wow. With 1,175.
Wow. So your offensive line has done a very, very, very good job for your boy Quan, as you call him.
Yeah, I mean, good offensive line, good running back, good run game. Yeah, that's from Jacob Nira, by the way.
That's his stat. Steelers have a very good job for your boy Quan, as you call him.
Yeah, I mean, good offensive line, good running back, good run game.

Yeah, that's from Jacob Nira, by the way.

That's his stat.

Steelers have a very good defensive line.

Yeah.

Jalen Hurts takes sacks on his own.

Slides.

Are you worried about TJ?

Are you worried about TJ Watt hitting Jalen Hurts very hard? Lane Johnson. What about Alex Highsmith? Jordan Mailata.
What about Nick Herbig? I don't know. I don't know what you want me to say.
He's right out of guys. You just said guys forgot.
But I also don't know where that guy plays, so I don't know. Are you worried about getting Russie? That I'm worried about.
Yeah. It's going to be an awesome game.
I'm so excited for it. Should we talk about the Steegals at all? Sure.
So the Steegals, the team that was put together during World War II, a combination effort between the Steelers. What did you just say? What did you say? Oh, your mic was on.
What did you say? I keep accidentally ordering hot chocolate. Oh.
How many hot chocolates do you have? Oh, no. How do you accidentally order hot chocolate? Yeah, that sounds like something you've ordered before.
You order hot chocolate as an adult. No.
Yeah. I did take a couple sips of this hot chocolate.
It's fire. But you don't accidentally order hot chocolate if you haven't ordered a hot...
Like, you've just been reordering what you always order.

Hot chocolate.

No.

How do you accidentally order a hot chocolate?

It said hot, and then I...

Large, and then I pressed order.

Hot and large?

You just missed the middle word?

The actual thing?

But he made a mistake once, and then he did it again.

Wait, on the same day

in the same episode of this podcast and i had pug get it twice where are you ordering these from uh no free ads okay but you've placed the same wrong order twice in a row in the last 30 minutes correct it's a place down the street okay stop looking at the sun memes all right what uh steagles Yeah, the Steagles.

There were a team that was put together in 1943, I believe,

during World War II. stop looking at the sun memes all right what uh steagles yeah the steagles uh there were a team that was put together 1943 i believe during world war ii when a lot of players had to be shipped overseas to go fight the nfl tried to carry on and they uh they combined the eagles and the steelers into one team yeah called the steagles and they finished five four and one which is the eagles first winning season officially is how it's been uh written down in the record books and i looked at some of their players that they had their leading receiver had 17 receptions named tony bova and he was blind in one eye oh i love it because in order to get out of serving in world war ii you usually had to have like disability.
To become a Stiegel, you had to be the few, the proud.

Their center was deaf,

and their kicker and punter, Troy Smith, had a fake leg.

Oh.

I would love to go back and find footage of this team.

This team won five games.

That's awesome.

With a deaf receiver and a kicker with one leg.

They also did a draft in 1940. I it was in 1944 they drafted together um and they they selected a guy named max kielbasa fucking great name max kielbasa great name that's literally just max at lunch yeah or that's translates to nick foals yeah i don't think i've ever had a kielbasa yeah you have yeah you definitely I don't like I don't even is it a brat

is that also Yeah, or that translates to Nick Foles. Yeah.
I don't think I've ever had a kielbasa.

Yeah, you have. Yeah, you definitely have.

I don't even.

Is it a brat?

Is that also a brat?

Don't lie.

You've had a lot of kielbasa.

I don't know what to tell you.

Remember, we made shirts back.

That was actually a really cool shirt.

It made no sense.

The Bears and the Eagles were both bad at the same time,

and we made Chiladelphia Beagles shirts.

Yeah.

Which would have been. That's a sick name.
It is a sick name. Chiladelphia Beagles.
It was a cool shirt. Look at that.
Look at that. Look at that dog.
It's chill. That's a chill ass dog.
He's just a chill guy. Chiladelphia Beagles.
Those are fucking cool ass Beagles. Do they still sell Stiegel's merchandise? I don't know.
I want Beagle's merchandise. Stiegel's merchandise.
Yeah, I'm sure like Canton probably has something. Oh, yeah.
Do you think there's anyone wearing a Stiegel's? Are there any Stiegel's still alive today? No, probably not. I mean, there might be, but it would be...
There's only, what? There's only 40 Stegals? Well, yeah. And they all have to get to...
They'd be 100 plus right now? And it would have to be somebody that probably had a disability? And it also had to be someone who played professional football in the 40s, which also creates disabilities? Probably not. Yeah, probably not.
Probably lost all of our Stegals. But I do want to see highlights.
If there's any highlights out there of Steagulls games.

They need to make a movie about this.

Yeah.

Steagulls.

Okay.

So, Max, you think they'll cover the five and a half?

I don't care about covering anything.

All right.

I like the Steelers plus five and a half.

Okay.

Wait.

Why is that funny?

It's just funny.

I don't care about covering anything.

I know.

I just want to win the game.

Yeah.

Yeah. Okay.
The big one. The big kahuna.
Bills at Lions. Lions minus two and a half over under 54 and a half.
Thoughts? This is an awesome game. My thought on this game is it fucking rocks.
Rocks. That we're getting this game in week 15.
Rocks. So you got two teams, double digit wins playing each other in week 15 the last time that happened was all the way back in 1985 so it's fucking rocks rocks this is a historically fucking rocks matchup yeah i uh i'm contemplating a game of the year in this game.
Contemplating. On the over? No.

This is a very fun over.

It is.

It'd be on the Buffalo Bills.

Okay.

I love this game for the Bills.

Okay.

Last week, I had the Rams.

I kind of saw that coming where it's like, hey, they just clinched the AFC East.

They went all the way west.

I think Josh is playing out of his mind. I think this is the week that the Lions, all their defensive injuries.
I know they might be getting a couple guys back, but this is an elite, elite offense. And Aaron Glenn, I know this from experience because Justin Fields used to play well against the Lions.
Aaron Glenn's defenses don't do well against running quarterbacks. He refuses to do a spy.
The only thing that's holding me back is I think that the Lions are going to be able to run the ball. And if I get into a situation where the Lions are just grinding them out and then Josh Allen's scoring a quick touchdown and then they're grinding them out, that feels scary.
I'll know on Sunday if I have the balls to do it. I'd love it to get to three.
I don't think it will. What's the over-under on this game? 54 and a half.
Over. Yeah, over.
The funnest over possible. You know possible i should just do that as a game of the year i mean the game of the year is you're gonna do a game of the year i might not this weekend hank it's called responsible gambling but yes would there is a people are like oh you're gonna do a game of the year 12 hours after travis hunter wins the heisman possibly oh that's right i need to recalibrate my thinking about this weekend correct because my bank account that's all i've been thinking about i'm gonna have game of the year like arsenal basically someone's just walking over and just and just loading my gun with bullets and i'm just firing everywhere i'm fast as i can i'm i'm ukraine right now what i this i i'm still nervous about genti don't know don't worry about Don't worry about it.
Stop saying it. Which one is done.
Which done is done. The votes are in.
Yeah, but it doesn't matter. We still don't know.
All right, here's something that will help you. Ready? Travis Hunter won the AP College Football Player of the Year, and every player who's won that has won the Heisman since Chris McCaffrey.
And that award goes out to the best football player of the year, I would imagine. Yeah.
Although Gentry did win the Maxwell. That's fine.
Okay. I'm a little nervous.
There's so many people on Twitter that keep saying that Gentry. When I hear Maxwell, I think second place.
Yeah, true. That's my name.
I mean, listen. That's a coincidence.
I have to go to a Christmas party on Saturday night, and I'm going to have to ask for them to put on the Heisman Trophy ceremony while I stand, like, antisocial, just staring at a TV with probably no sound on it this is I'll just go home I'll just leave if this happens I think me and Blake might get dressed up in suits yeah and sit down on the couch like we're the family and watch this game but yeah no you reminded me I I'm Ukraine right now I have no bullets left and then a shipment coming over. Yeah, Joe Biden's about to come and give us a little package.
And then Sunday, you better fucking watch out, NFL. That's why I'm saying game of the year might be on.
But this feels scary because it's like the Lions are so good. I'm not saying that no game of the year.
It's going to be a nuclear missile whale play. Okay? Let's just do that.
Bill's nuclear missile whale play is what I'm going to do. And we'll save a game of the year for maybe the playoffs.
Possible Super Bowl preview. Possible Super Bowl preview.
This would be my dream Super Bowl matchup in terms of fans. Yes.
In New Orleans. Holy shit, would it rock.
Just like partying with Lions and Bill's fans all week. Also would be heartbreaking for whoever lost that game.
Yes also maybe the most merchandise ever sold the day after the super bowl regardless of fan base for we i i threw out this uh trivia question the other day uh last time if it was bill's lions uh what was the last time there was a chance for a first time super Super Bowl winner? Double chance for a first-time Super Bowl winner.

The Indians and the Cubs.

No.

Super Bowl.

And also no.

Oh, yeah.

It's like 100 years.

Yeah, yeah.

Double chance for a first-time Super Bowl winner.

The Super Bowl guarantees a first-time Super Bowl winner.

Patriots Rams.

No.

Thank you. Super Bowl.
So you walk to the Super Bowl guarantees a first time Super Bowl winner. Patriots Rams.

No.

Close.

Box Ravens.

Rams Titans.

Yes.

Patriots Rams Rams have won the year before.

Yeah.

Rams Titans.

This will be fun.

I mean, it doesn't happen very often.

I hope it doesn't happen very often where you get a chance for a guaranteed chance for a new Super Bowl winner yeah so the other parts about the Bills Keon Coleman and Kincaid I think will be back that might push me over the ledge of saying I'm going to have to take it Josh Allen's also good against the Blitz uh Aaron Glenn's gonna want to blitz he's gonna want to you know like I said running quarterbacks not the best and I just think the Lions I mean the defense of the Lions is good but it's also been very banged up and this is the Bills offense is one of the top what three like the most elite offenses so I mean Lions obviously have one as well. I'm just excited for this game.
I'm so pumped up for this game. I should not make a game of the year because I want to watch.
I could not bet on this game. This game is going to be so awesome.
That's not true. I could not.
No, you couldn't. Just like Jerry could not bring his gun.
I bet you $1,000 that you'll bet on this game. I'm not going to take that bet.
I thought that there was a chance that you could not bet on this game. Yeah.
I'm not going to take that bet. Okay.
That's a great bet that I just offered. Nuclear missile whale play.
I just offered you $1,000 to not lose money. Well, no, because the minute I say yes, you're going to be like, well, you just bet on this game.
I would have said that. Yeah.
You're not Max. I'm not Hank.
I'm not Max. I'm not Means.
Max would have fallen for that. Come on, in a second.
In a second. I would have walked right into that.
Okay, last game. Seahawks, Cardinals.
Did you guys see that the Seahawks are plus 2.5, over-under is 45.5. Wait, Seahawks.
Sorry, Packers. Packers and Seahawks.

Seahawks plus two and a half.

Over-under 45 and a half.

Did you see the Seahawks are calling their defense the death zone?

Okay.

How do you like that?

In what way are they at the death zone?

Is that like on a mountain?

You just die when you go up against them.

Once you get up a certain altitude?

Yeah.

They have been really good.

I like Legion of Spoon better.

Legion of Spoon. Oh, no.
Death zone. What no death zone what death zone yeah you gotta earn death zone legion of spoon yeah no way in terms of intimidation death you gotta earn death zone though death zone death zone rocks if you're an elite defense that is like dominating people they have been in since the bye they've been in top top five and well that this is a name that's come about since the bye so we entered the death zone after the bye they have just started being the death zone okay so yeah i like it uh also a reminder the nfc north which this goes against what i just said about the bills but the nfc north is 28 and 3 outside of the division yep or sorry the the packers vikings and lions are 28 and 3 outside of the division those three.
Or sorry, the Packers, Vikings, and Lions are 28-3 outside of the division. Those three teams.
Those three teams, not the NFC North. Not the Bears.
It's not the whole division? Not the Bears. Definitely not the Bears.
Yeah, I like the Seahawks, though. Yeah.
This is one of those games, I'm sure we all have them, but if you have a certain matchup, you just think of the iconic, they had the Phil Maryary and then obviously the nfc championship game and it's fun when you have these matchups where you can immediately be like oh yeah i've seen this and it was fucking crazy you just might yeah this might just be a wild ending to a game right right you just have wild endings in your head when you see that matchup um this is gonna be be a great afternoon of football, boys. I can't wait for it.
Max is stressed. I wish one of those games was in the afternoon.
I do, too. They could have given us Bucks Chargers.
They could have given us Lions. It would have been nice.
I would have taken Lions. Eagles Steelers, too.
I would have taken Eagles Steelersers that would actually been the perfect sunday if eagle stealers and you swap out like the the jets and the jags put them in the afternoon just forget about it set it and forget it um okay td uh parlay uh do it on draft kings every day is game day draft king sportsbook and now through the end of the year it's's extra special. All customers get a special daily promo every single day from profit boost, odd boost, no sweat bets, and more.
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sorry again to everyone last week

let's do our picks

we're so bad

are we all under 500

collectively not a lot

yikes

yikes

who's up first

that'd be me

I feel like you went first last week

Hank went first

Thank you. You sure? Yes.
I feel like that was you. Memes, what about the graphic that you put out besmirching my NBA Cup reputation? My apologies.
I don't make that graphic. You don't make a lot of graphics, huh, buddy? I make memes.
My name is Memes. Because every time there's a graphic, you're like, I don't make that one.
Yeah. I mean, putting 0-3 up there when it was not 0-3 is a dirty move.
No, that was McCarthy's fault. He's a scumbag.
Yep. Everyone knows that.
My apologies. I'll take the Jets minus three.
Okay. I am going to take Colts Broncos under 44.
Ooh. Okay.
Interesting. I'm going to take the Arizona Cardinals minus six.
Love that number six. I'm going to take the Buffalo Bills plus two and a half.

I'm going to take the over in that game, 54 and a half.

Like it.

And I'm going to take the.

Yeah.

Box plus two and a half. Box plus two and a half box plus two and a half um okay you know what give me the over 46 and a half patriots cardinals give me what's i didn't look at the weather bad mistake what do you need i got you i need the cleveland weather forecast don't have it thought i had you if you had asked me seattle i would have said rain i'm can i can i ask max to bring up the weather forecast yes sunday rain sunday should have said rain no that's yeah that's.
That's maybe rain. That's grapple.

That's could be rain.

Okay. I'm going to stay away.

Glad I looked at the weather forecast.

I'm going to take the over in the commies saints.

44.

Nice.

Dome dome.

I will take the Bengals minus five against the Titans.

Okay.

Memes.

I will do Texans dolphins over 46 and a half. Okay.
And a reminder, let me see the standings again. We got to remember for standings, we got to start going back to the point system because that makes it a lot easier to follow.
Memes has 14 points. Hank has 13.5 points.
I have 13 points. PFT has 12 points.
Max has 11.5 points. So it's anyone's game.
Anyone's game. It's anyone's game.
We are all within. Yeah, we're all within two and a half points.
Whoa. That's crazy.
We're all so, so bad together, which I appreciate. Yeah, it would be really bummer if one of us was just like insanely good right now or one of us was insanely, insanely bad.
We all just are like bad. We're very bad.
Yeah, we're not insanely bad. Right.
We're all. Well, no, memes is bad.
Hank is bad. I'm really like not really bad.
I'm I'm really bad. PFT is really bad.
Max, you're really bad getting close to insanely bad. I'm just telling you what the records are saying.
Don't get me wrong. Wait, I'm a half a point behind PFT.
But he's 12 and 17. You're 11, 17, and 1.
How are you and PFT the same when you guys are a full point away from each other? Because 13 and 12 look very similar. 11 looks as a different.
But it's 11 and a half. But 13 and 12 look very similar number-wise.
11 is totally an outlier. But you're forgetting about the half.
Yeah, I get that. But Max, you just have to accept where you are right now.
By the time next week comes around, I might be insanely bad. Like, if I go 0-2, 12-19, I would say that's insanely bad.
Yeah, I'm insanely bad territory. I think that's pretty much I'm losing almost twice as much as I'm winning.
Yeah, 13-18, I'd be insanely bad. I also feel horrible about my picks this weekend.
What were they again? One was bad. Bengals minus five.
Yeah, it's a bad pick. What was the other one?

Colts Broncos under 44.

Yeah, that's a bad pick.

I mean, you.

No, I actually like the Bengals pick.

No, I hate the.

It's a bad pick.

I like that pick.

Good pick.

It's a bad pick.

Anyone could be in last.

Other than memes, anyone could be in last place at the start of next week.

And also for the AWL's sake.

Memes is the one that everyone should be rooting against, or rooting for. What? Do you, I don't think they want you at your bachelor party.
Why? You've never got the water ball. Oh, you're a fun guy.
Yeah, you're fun. Yeah, imagine going to the bachelor party and having them just, like, bust your balls the entire time.
Me and Hank would also be boring. No.
Oh. No.
That's wrong. But we're both in bachelor party age.
I'm saying for the listeners. That's why you'd be great.
You'd be great, Max. But the funniest outcome would be either.
I understand the funniest, but I also would not. I could.
You would find a way to go for six hours. If I went on a bachelor party, I have, I'm like, I got four innings of like low 90s fastballs.
You would do a Chicago bachelor party. Yeah.
I'd go to a Cubs game. We'd go to a Cubs game, I'd get drunk, I'd go home.
Yep. I'd have to travel.
I'd have to travel. I would be a lot of fun for one night.
Yeah. One night, and then after that night's over, I'd just be miserable.
We have very few.

I'd just be talking about different aspects of my hangover for the next seven hours.

We have very few details.

We haven't put out any ground rules to this.

Hank might just not come back.

Hank might have such a great time on your bachelor party that he just goes wherever you go.

He's just hoping it's a golf trip.

Yeah.

Max, you'd be fun on the party. Yeah, we also need to figure out who's filming.
Whatever, that's a later thing. Yeah, that's whatever.
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My name's Mario Mangione. Get yours today at Walmart or local grocery store near you.
Greek, Giannis, fucks are playing good. Greeks are back.
Fucking love Greeks. Alpha males.
Gyros. Yeah.
My sit-em. YouTube TV.
Yeah. Yeah, they're jacking up the price.
They banged us. I just made the switch to YouTube TV this week, and they fucking yacked up the price.
$9 a month. Some bullshit.
Absolute bullshit. It is bullshit.
When they started, it was $40. Cord cutters, they should have just kept stuck with cable it's a shit show now you gotta have every fucking app you gotta pay out of your fucking ass i would yeah i would pay a lot of money to have just one app and my oh wait x the everything app love it it's all happening on x my sleeper is hawk tour she did her spaces she was getting She said, I'm going to sleep.
Haven't heard from her since. So she's sleeping.
She's having a good time. I thought that was a respectful way to get out of a very awkward conversation.
Just being like, I'm tired. I'm tired.
I'll see you guys tomorrow. Hasn't been working up yet.
It was like a cartoon voice, too. Yeah.
Respect. Respect.
You know, she makes the money. Hey, respect.
You make her the money yeah hey uh this is luigi mangione oh luigi just heard from my brother mario uh i'm starting the mcrib oh it's back fuck yes if loving the mcrib is a crime then lock me up and throw away the key i just want to get a mcrib that's why i go to mcdonald's all love that it's great i'm sitting i'm sitting in a jail cell right now and then uh my sleeper this weekend it's fuck fuck winter jack frost is my sleeper this yeah i woke up this morning my balls was up in my stomach had no balls no ball no balls at all like a castrated bowl wasn It wasn't that bad. No balls.
It was bad. I had a friend.
Luigi, Mario, you're tougher. I had a friend.
I had a friend. Last year, he said, Chicago winner, not that bad.
Kind of a pussy. That was Mario.
That was Mario. Today wasn't that bad.
Mario's staying with it. He's sticking with it.
This winner's bad. Get a fucking coat, dude.
You talk shit to the wrong guy. I ain't scared.
You're not made. You thought you was made.
I was born in the winter. Yeah.
I am a winter. You were born in June.
No, you were born in June, bro. Bro, you were born in June.
You were fucking June. June.
Still. Australian winter.
I ain't winter. What's up, fuckers? It's Wario.
Hey, what's up, Wario? My stardom this week is our pal, I can't remember her name.

Is it Livvy or something?

The girl who took a thousand dicks?

Yeah, she's a-

A hundred dicks.

She's the world's guma.

That was something.

You watched the documentary about her?

No.

The cockumentary?

Fuck no.

It was sad.

Fuck no.

It was very, very sad. I ain't watching that.
It was sad. Fuck no.
It was very, very sad.

I ain't watching that.

It was sad.

My cinnamon's lasagna.

I think it's overrated.

I like a little pasta.

Just lasagna too much.

Too much going on.

I never liked lasagna.

That's a bad take.

I don't like ricotta.

You don't like lasagna?

I hate lasagna.

My sleeper this week is Josh Allen.

Touchdown machine.

Josh Allen. Rock it machine.
Josh Allen.

Rock it off.

Wario.

I'm gonna win.

Is that Mario?

I think so.

What does Wario say?

I'm gonna win.

It's a me, a Wario.

The documentary thing about that girl.

It's just.

She was like, they interviewed the dudes.

The dudes were like, yeah, you can talk to me about it.

You watched it? I saw clips. You watched it? No, I saw clips.
I think he watched it, guys. I did not watch it.
And I don't think that there was porn in it if you did watch it. No, I think the sadness of it would be worse than the porn.
The clips I saw, she was like crying afterwards. Oh.
Bad choice. Yeah, and somehow my algorithm is just, it's like Luigi memes and the woman who took a thousand cocks.
Well, I think she took a hundred. A hundred.
And she wants to take a thousand. Oh, man.
Yeah. I want to know more about the order that the guys got put in when they went there.
If you just showed up and you were put in a waiting room, or if there was a lottery ball, like the NBA draft. Yeah.
If you're a virgin, you get to go first. I don't know.
I don't know how it works. Yeah.
It's crazy. Crazy.
Okay. Should we get to our interview? Maybe that's what Lamar Jackson was talking about.
Oh, yeah. That is what he was talking about.
Because that's what I thought when I saw it. Like it like the internet was a bad idea yeah do you guys really you i lasagna just like in terms of pastas it's great i'm not a lasagna fan me neither lasagna is it depends on the lasagna if there it's it is is easy to fuck up lasagna and it's just too much going on lasagna it's like yeah yeah Fuego? Yeah.
It might be like a good lasagna might be my favorite Italian dish.

No. No.
You just haven't. You're telling yourself you're never eating good lasagna.
No, I've had good lasagna. I just don't.
It's just too much. I just like a little.
You got to get. I got to get.
You got to get some good lasagna. Make some lasagna.
You've offended the booth. Make me some lasagna.
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Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very special guest.
He is Super Bowl champion, a legend forever in Philadelphia. Super Bowl MVP.
Super Bowl MVP, played a bunch of of different places. Nick Foles, QB1, in studio.
First of all, welcome. Thank you so much for joining us.
Thank you for coming here. Have you been harassed by any of our Philly fans yet? Because they're lingering.
Like, the buzz of Nick Foles in the office was, we said it, I think, a couple days ago, and all the Philly fans were like, fans were like oh my god I gotta wear my best Kelly Green shirt like Nike shoes and and all that stuff they dressed up for you they did and I wouldn't say harassed I'd say it's love okay you know it's just you know there's that Philly love there's something we were talking about last night when you you've been a part of Philadelphia you're from Philadelphia there's just something special um about it and you know I know you being a Bears fan, you're longing for that. It's been since the mid-80s.
So we've had it more recently and Eagles are doing pretty good right now. So there's a lot of love to go around.
I mean, he walked in today and Paige was showing the inside of her shoes to him. He'd be like, look at this type of green I got.
Hey, you know what? Inside the shoes, it's like the streets of Philly of South Philly, the heart of Philly. I mean, Nike did those shoes, right? Yeah.
Yeah. You got to show them.
If there's one city to be a legend in, I feel like Philadelphia would be a pretty good one. Yeah.
I mean, it's a, it's a, it's an awesome city. I mean, if any of y'all have ever been to a game in the link, I mean, it is a amazing place to be the home team.
Yeah. If you're their weight team, it it sucks but there's also a lot of places in the nfl it's that way right you know there's a lot of home field advantages but um philly's amazing you know going back there i'm not one to want all the limelight so going back there and walking around and i love seeing everyone but i'm not built for that like i'm more of a laid back like even killed like i don't mind going to the grocery store not getting recognized and stuff so yeah but it's uh a lot of love in philly i mean you have a statue right yeah there is one a statue outside the stadium it's a good statue it's a great statue there's been some bad statues recently it looks like me yeah it actually looks like me there's been some statues uh the last several years that just aren't great so whoever you know created the statues it's fantastic yeah an iconic moment that will that will stand the test of time that's got to be cool to think about it's like philadelphia will always remember this one moment and you're you're a hero forever in their eyes and yeah um philly fans they can be a little bit over the top sometimes but they also have your back were they ever down on you as a quarterback where uh you felt like the wrath of the philly fans i mean I would say say never the wrath, but yeah.
I mean, I think part of being a Philadelphia athlete or quarterback is they're going to be down at you at times because you're not perfect. You're going to throw interception.
You're going to have some bad games. You might even have a length of bad games, and it's going to be tough.
You're going to get booed. I mean, I've even had a great game throwing like three incompletions.
You're going to get a couple of boos. Right.
But I think you just have to start owning that and realize like that is the city and they they have your back they love you but you also have to buy into that and you have to understand their perspective like blue car hard-working city like you know their grandparents their their moms their dads took them to games now they're taking their kids again it's a generational like place so there's a lot of heart a lot of heartbreak and that's where like the super Bowl year was so special because we finally were able to break that heartbreak. And now there's a Super Bowl.
They want more, but that's just part of it. You've got to understand that.
Do you think that maybe you screwed up by that one season that you had? I forget how many interceptions. There were just two interceptions, right, over the course of one year? 27 and two? 27 touchdowns, two interceptions.
Was that a mistake on your part to do that? Because you set the so if you perfect football you throw like nine interceptions the next year they're like this guy sucks you know what uh it was amazing having that year and i was having so much fun playing in chip system it's like playing basketball you're just you know letting it rip playing a point guard and then you know it was different you know the next year halfway through the season i got injured but i think i had thrown like 10 interceptions everyone thought like the everything was falling apart but like I was still like we were still playing well we were six and two but I think you do set expectations so high that you can't keep meeting that because there's always changes in the offseason the offense starts evolving coaches leave players leave so but yeah I think I definitely set expectations really high in 13. Yeah and also also, I would assume, like, playing quarterback, you know, like, there's an element of luck to have that specific, like, 27-2.
You know, like, okay, a couple of them might have been dropped that won't go my way next year. Oh, for sure.
I mean, I had one, you know, we're going back in time, but I think it was after the seven-touchdown game we were in Green Bay, and I threw, like, a post route down the middle to D-Jack, and I think it went through two corner in a safety's hands and then just popped up, and D-Jack caught it and just walked in backwards. I'm just like, all right, you're just feeling it.
You've got to take the luck and the juice and that favor when it comes. But we had a lot of it that year, and we were fortunate to – unfortunately, we didn't win the playoff game, but we still had a good year.
Yeah, so your Super Bowl season, Carson Wentz gets hurt in that Rams game. You come in and you're like, what's going through your mind when you come in? Because you're a really good team and that's a weird spot to be in in the fact that you've been rolling as a team and you know that this team has big-time aspirations and now everyone's going to look at you and be like, all right, dude, don't fuck this up.
Did you feel that pressure? Were you like, this team is so good, I feel like almost supported by everyone? I mean, Carson, as we all know, was having an MVP caliber year that year. And then when he got hurt on the play, he actually stayed in and threw a touchdown the next play.
I knew something was wrong because I had been around him enough. I know how tough he is.
So I knew something was wrong when he came off and they took him up. I knew it was going to be probably bad just from being around him and knowing his toughness.
And your body knows when something like that, like I'm about to step in. So all of a sudden, the adrenaline changes, the nerves start coming, your stomach starts getting what we say butterflies.
And I think the key in that is I just took a moment, took a deep breath, just said a prayer and just was like you know what I'm not going to be out there alone I'm with 10 other guys in the huddle and I have a great team around me I just I need to do my job I still have to execute at a high level I can't just go out there and just sit there and hope someone else is going to make a play I'm a quarterback I have to make a play but I also know there's like an acclimation period so there was grace and understanding but that but that was from my, you know, previous part of my career and playing football my whole life. Like, I think you have expectations to go out there.
And if you don't meet them, then all of a sudden gets in your head. I knew I would need to acclimate.
So I gave myself grace and eventually it hit at the right time. But yeah, I mean, the nerves started, I'm human, man.
The next day, I mean, I'm in a QB room, uh, just Nate Subfeld and I watching film and we know what's happened. We get the news about Carson.
And I say we were watching film. We had the film on.
We did not watch film that day because we were both going through emotions because we're going to the playoffs, we have a great team, and then we realized it's on our shoulders. So we just talked about that and hashed it out as humans do because it's a lot of pressure.
But having that brother like Nate there during that time, we developed such a brotherly bond that will last for life. But I'm so grateful I had him.
But that was the realness after the situation. It's like we're not in there like watching film.
We're like dealing with the emotions of what is about to happen. Right.
So you get to the Super Bowl that year and you're going up against the Patriots. What were your feelings? What was the mentality that you had going into that game? Because the Patriots, obviously, Dynasty, one of the greatest football teams of all time, right in the thick of their groove that they had.
What was the mentality going into that game to prepare yourself to compete and eventually beat them? Yeah, I think the biggest thing leading up to that, I mean, you get a bye week before the Super Bowl, so you have that time at home to go through a normal prep week. So the biggest thing was preparation and then eliminating distraction.
So a lot of going into the Super Bowl, there's a lot of hoopla, and then, you know, you got a lot of tickets and you're trying to get family there. So my wife was the instrumental part of like taking control of all that.
So I didn't have to deal with it. So I could just focus on ball.
Wasn't on my phone a lot. Wasn't like, you know, I might have talked to my dad once.
I was just so locked in because we have so much respect for the Patriots. One of the greatest dynasties, if not the greatest dynasties in NFL sports history.
We know what we're going against. So just the preparation, the hard work, you know, testing things at practice, being super aggressive at practice to test my limitations.
And, you know, going into the game, I felt like we had a great preparation in those two weeks and, you know, we shredded all our papers and we hit all our stuff. And in the walkthrough, we had 13 to 15 guys.
So if they did have cameras in the the stadium you know yeah we're set so like when we do our walkthrough in the stadium when we did our super bowl picture like we literally had 13 guys in the huddle and we just said do whatever you want we're like hiding simple place oh you had like decoy guys running you know what i think it's just you know understood that you want to take precautions like even like when we got sheets of paper at the hotel they're like you done with that i'm like well yeah, well, yeah, we got a new one. They'll give it to me, and they shred it right there.
Wow. Because you thought the Patriots were going through your trash? Yeah, you know what? Teams want the advantage.
I mean, we see it in sports all the time. Every team's trying to find the advantage to get the upper hand.
But going into the game, so much respect for the Patriots. But Doug Peterson and even when I play for Andy Reid, the biggest thing they talk about is faceless opponents.
Like, don't like think about like who they are, their history or what's on their helmet. Just like they're objects out there.
So just treat them as objects and play them and do your job and just execute the play. So I just kept it simple.
All right. So I need an honest answer here.
Was there any part of you when you got, you know, in thedle you're getting in the game you're getting the flow of the game you're like man it would probably be a lot harder if malcolm butler was out there you know what i didn't even think about that i i wasn't his opponents yeah i i didn't even like even like you know gilmore out there like yeah it was one of the greatest dbs of all time i didn't even think about it really because i had so much trust in my guys that i didn't really care who was on them and i know afterwards that was a topic and everything and you know malcolm butler a great player physical player you know they were talking about how he'd you know be up in the grill holding on the guys getting them off the line but i still take alshon any day of the week or any of my guys and i have so much respect respect for Malcolm. That's not me taking a slide.
That's just my mindset with them, and my teammates know that. I would tell them, I don't care if there's two guys on you.
Make a play. Worst case scenario, knock the dang ball down, but make a play.
I think when you tell your teammates that and they know that, that gives them a little bit extra juice when they're going there. But hey, he's going to throw me the ball even if I'm covered, so I better just be ready and I better be aggressive.
Yeah, and Alshon was one of those guys who could make the play whenever he was covered. He would go up and get it and be physical.
The Philly special play, when that happens, walk us through it because, I mean, it's still a really cool thing to watch, even the mic'd up where it's like the moment where you guys kind of – I don't know if it was you or Doug who first said, hey, should we do this?

Yeah.

Was it you?

Yeah, I ran over there.

We had a play call beforehand, and we called a timeout, so I ran over to Doug.

And it just – you know, sometimes you have this instinct.

It's like, hey, this play could work.

You go run over to your coach, almost like you're in high school or middle school, and you're like, hey, you know, you want Philly Philly.

And the headset goes quiet.

You know, Doug's got to make a decision.

Like, he can say no.

But, you know, Doug was the quarterback coach.

My quarterback coach, my rookie year, he worked me out at Westlake.

I'm going to go over there and ask for Philly Philly, I'm running a route and Trey's throwing the ball and Corey's pitching it to him and we're doing the lane-lane stuff, he's probably thinking if Nick's feeling confident about this right now, this is the one time we probably should run it. So I'm just grateful he allowed us to do it.
And then going into the huddle, the biggest thing was just not to smile because I was excited to run it because I didn't think we'd be talking about it here and I'd be signing Philly special autographs all the time. For the rest of your life.
Yeah. It was a play that has a great name great name that just worked yeah you just needed six points on fourth and one going into halftime like i to me that's what that play was it was not like hey i'm gonna run this play and i'm gonna sign autographs for it afterwards like no no this play will they're not gonna expect me to go on a route they're gonna be in man coverage they're not gonna account for me and it's gonna work we just have to you know get the lane.
Corey's got to get the snap. There's a lot of moving parts in it.
Right. But that was the best way ever ran it, and Trey threw an absolute dime.
Was there any part of you when the ball is in the air where you're like, don't fuck this up? Because that is – you were so wide open. Yeah.
And it was right there that it's like that actually can happen where guys – Oh, no doubt. They'll stare at it for so long they'll drop it.
You know, previous in the game, this is no slight of him because, you know, Tom's the greatest. But they had ran a similar one.
It was different, but a quarterback going out on pass and it was right where I was standing on the sideline so I saw it go through his fingertips and drop it and in my mind, that might have even put it more at the forefront of my mind watching him do it like, alright, we we're going to get this called. But I'm going to make sure I look this thing in, and I don't care if I look like an idiot.
I'm going to look it in like I'm in elementary school and catch the ball. Because I just need to catch it.
I don't want to drop it or act cool. Not that Tom was.
I think Tom just had taken a rib shot or something. So he was feeling it.
But, no, I felt confident. I mean know basketball player growing up i you know they the reason they had me going on routes because before every game i go out there catching one-handed passes and throwing it all around like i'm a kid so i can get that like kid feel warm up the body so i can catch the the ball one hand all that i was not going to do it on that play though i was going to look that thing in and you see me i make the triangle and everything yeah you did, it was like picture perfect and yeah, you look like a 12 year old trying to figure out how to catch a pass.
So now when I coach you sports, I say even when you're in the Super Bowl, I'm making the triangle. I'm keeping my hands together.
I'm not trying to do all this stuff. So I have a teaching photo and a teaching tape of me going out on route.
So when you guys practiced it that week, you said that was the best that you'd run it was during the game. Yeah.
Were you confident in the play? Like you had – how many times did you practice it beforehand? You know, we had it in before we played the Vikings in the divisional round. We put it in the bye week, and, you know, any great trick play, you know, Doug Peterson and Andy Reno say it needs marination.
There's always, like, food terms with those guys. They love food, so marination.
You got to let it set, marinate until it's ready. You know that that does sound like Andy Reid right yeah it comes from so you know we had it in and we probably ran at full speed maybe like twice the whole month and then walked through a few times so it was I don't even know if I asked Doug right now if he really thought he was going to call it that game we had talked about it but he might have just been making me feel better feel better.
I mean, I just talked to Jason Kelsey about it a couple weeks ago, and he said when I called in the huddle, he was like, we're calling this play? So I didn't know he felt that way, but now we can all look back and be really happy about it. But that was the best we had ever ran it, and the best trade through it and everything.
The craziest part about that play, if you watch it back, is too that Torrey Smith was wide wide open as well. Yeah, I was the only option.
Yeah, I know you were the only option, but it was such a well-drawn-up play. He was running over the middle wide open.
Yeah. Alshon's supposed to create confusion.
Torrey's supposed to create confusion. And then they're supposed to drop me.
Yeah. And it worked like that.
Yeah. You mentioned Brady uh and how he was not able to catch the ball earlier but do you know that to this day like he has a hard time saying your name you're like his kryptonite he just won't even acknowledge you you know I and honestly I think that's a you know a huge sign of so I respect Tom so much I feel like that is his way of giving me respect you know I've actually had a time to FaceTime him and he actually shared that there's just a lot of respect.
He's such a competitor. There's a reason he's the greatest of all time because he has those emotions and he's not focusing on all his Super Bowl wins.
He's focusing on where he could have been better and that's why he's so great. That's why even in broadcasting, he in broadcasting he's you know working to continue to grow i mean everything he does he's always working that's like in his dna so i take it as a sign of respect for him and um you know that's uh saying a lot to have that from tom yeah there's uh there was a famous clip in in the patriots documentary the dynasty documentary did you see that where i didn't watch it but i heard some things.
Okay. So had um they had the nfl films yeah version of the philly special and they put that in and he edited out foals like the word foals has actually been removed from that as they broadcast i think that's a pretty healthy mentality to have to be like you know what tom brady wouldn't do this about somebody that he isn't that he doesn't respect because you beat him no for sure and.
But I think you have to realize that. I think at first you're like, oh, man.
But then you realize, you know what, that is a sign of respect. So it's perspective.
So all admiration for Tom, and that's cool. Like I said, we've FaceTimed since then, and I know for a fact it's just he has a lot of respect for me, and that means a lot.
He probably thinks about you all the time. I hope not.
I don't think about it all the time.

Hopefully he's thinking about

better things than me.

You mentioned something there when you were talking about

you played basketball and that's how you'd

warm up. A lot of guys

obviously in the NFL are like

yeah, I had another sport that I was really good at.

You got recruited by Georgetown?

You got offered by Georgetown?

Recruited. I would say I could have played

potentially D1. I mean those guys

are had this I had another sport that I was really good at you got recruited by George you got offered by Georgetown recruited I would say you know I could have played potentially D1 I mean those guys are so dynamic though I was a good basketball player no I mean you it sounds like you were a great basketball player if those if Georgetown Baylor and Texas were all looking at you yeah they're all looking um you know potentially would have had a chance to play at Baylor, but ended up at Michigan State my first year.

But basketball and football, there's such a different feeling when you step on the court.

Basketball, I mean, football, when you're playing quarterback,

you're trying to think about execution, making sure you're always thinking

about protections, you've got to be protected first,

all these different things.

Basketball, you're just like, I'm going to let it rip.

You make a mistake on the basketball court, you can fix it on the defensive end. Right.
And all that. Football is very different.
Football is very different, so there's a different emotion. My brother-in-law, both of them played basketball in college.
One was a two-sport. Evan was a two-sport athlete at Stanford, played in the NFL for five years as a tight end.
And we talk about it all the time, like going to the football game, you're just thinking about execution doing your job basketball you're just like going out there and just letting it rip yeah what was your game like what was your you know i was all over the place i was a big you know three-point shooter but obviously being you know six five and i was probably in high school you know 235 i take it down low big you know aggressive with rebounding um a little bit of everything yeah you know definitely you know shot some threes when could you when could you first palm a basketball because your hands are huge yeah i palmed it in middle school first first time i dunked it was eighth grade wow jesus so that's pretty cool that's pretty awesome that's awesome yeah so when you went to michigan state i know that izzo likes to get basketball players sometimes to compete against the football team yeah it's like toughen them up and to learn how to rebound did you ever get that call call? I never got that call. When I went to the University of Arizona, though, in the offseason, we did a lot of pickup ball.
We had a lot of great basketball players on our football team. So we would scrimmage the basketball team at the rec center.
So we had a lot of good battles with the basketball team. And that was fun because those guys – I mean, basketball players, and I just went to an NBA game not long ago, and those guys are just so talented.
The guys on the court are just so athletic, big, fast. The way they can play, the way they can shoot.
I mean, I think I saw like 10 straight baskets made. And then you go watch college.
College players are amazing as well, but it's definitely different than the NBA. A little more chaos.
It's always the shot making. The NBA always just – it always shocks me because they just do not miss open shots.
They don't. No matter what.
It just doesn't happen. In college, you see it all the time.
In NBA, they just drain it. Yeah, every single time.
All right, so I have to ask you, and I don't know how much insight you can give me, but you obviously played for the Bears for two years. You also were kind of on a team that's kind of like this year's Bears in the fact that it's a young quarterback and they're transitioning coaches and you were there for the last year at Nagy.
Shoot me straight, how much of a clusterfuck is it at House Hall just from an organizational standpoint? You know what? They're sort of in this cycle that it's just not a healthy cycle yeah and what i why i say that is you know you look back to their last three um draft picks at quarterback and you know you got mitch um you got justin you got kale right so they're coaching staff at the end of their like their prove it year they draft a quarterback in the first round so they get that rookie quarterback for one. They throw him out there.
They've been struggling. They're on their last leg.
They have to win that year to stay there, and if not, they're gone. So they bet on everything.
So then the rookie quarterback gets one year with the coaching staff, and then they've just been fired. And then that rookie quarterback who, mind you, all three of those guys are outstanding players.
Caleb's a great player. Justin, Mitch, all outstanding players.
Then they have to get a whole new regime with a whole new offense after taking a beating and going through that psychological battle as a rookie where you come from college, you're the man, you're a first-round pick, you have all this confidence. I'm not saying you lose it all, but it takes a hit, and then you have a whole new staff, and then you have to deal with that again.
So it's not a great cycle. You'd rather, as ownership and everything, if you know that, don't let them draft a quarterback.
Even at the end of their leg, you want a new staff to come in and choose a quarterback. Now, fortunately, they've inherited three great quarterbacks.
It just hasn't worked out. So my hope for them is because playing for Chicago for two years and just seeing how much the bears fans love the bears and how much they want to succeed you know they had the great year in 2018 that you know i was with the eagles yeah yeah yeah yeah that was the only great year for a long time yeah but they just you know they're not far away there's you know i was in the locker room there it feels so far away you you literally were in – because you were last year Mitch, first year Justin, right? Yes.
Yeah, so you've seen it. I've seen it.
I know it. You know it as intimate as you can.
You watched it happen where it's like – and then not only first year Justin but last year Nagy. Yeah.
And when I was there, the locker room was so good. We had good talent.
We had great leadership. leadership we had great guys we had a locker room that could win um because i had seen winning locker rooms yeah i was like we have a winning locker room they're just missing some pieces outside it and what i've seen you know through my career is when i started my career i always thought it's the locker room it's locker room and that is a huge part but what helps create the locker room is top down you You know, when I was in Philadelphia, you know, just with Mr.
Lurie,

just how he approached ownership, you know, in Kansas City, you know,

the Hunt family.

You know, I always say about Mr. Lurie is like he was at a lot of practices

and before every game he's in there and he goes around and shakes everyone's

hand and then, you know, he wants to win just as bad as anyone.

I'm not saying that's different like in Chicago, but I different in Chicago, but they're going to make those plays.

Howie Roseman's super aggressive with getting guys.

So I don't know.

I mean, I loved the locker room when I was here.

I loved my teammates when I was here.

It was unfortunate we didn't have success.

I mean, Coach Nagy's had great success since he's gone back to KC.

I mean, now what does he have, two rings?

Yeah, I mean, Patrick Mahomes.

I mean, Pat definitely helps, but they have a – Yeah, I'm going to give those to Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid. I'm not going to let you do that.
But, yeah, no, so what is a locker room like when you say a winning locker room? Because I agree, like obviously we don't know the intimacy of an NFL locker room, but it does feel like culture matters a lot. And, yeah, talent is important, But, like, guys who feel like they want to, like, die for each other can go a long way.
Yeah. And how does that – like, is there a certain amount of leaders? Is there a certain amount of – or is it, like you said, top down, the owner, the GM, the coach, they all have to be aligned? You know, you definitely want an alignment up there.
I think you've got to have a strong head coach. You've got to have a strong personality um that when they take the job you know you you see a lot of coaches that take a lot of input from outside sources or like maybe the ownership like and then it changes the way that they view how they'd run a team um I always go to the example of Andy Reid I think Andy Reid is the greatest I love Coach Reid Andy Reid has a way he knows he's going to coach and you're not going to change he doesn't listen to input but input.
But Big Red's going to make the best decision. Like you might think like you have said something that's really going to impact and change the way he thought.
He knows what's best for the pulse of his team. And he's going to take you that direction.
He's going to lead. Whereas sometimes we listen to outside sources.
And then we're like, you know what? Because so-and-so said this, I need to do it. Maybe ownership said, hey, you need to do this, and then you do it.
Coach Reed, they trust Coach Reed, rightfully so, to make those decisions and do those things. So in my opinion, ownership's got to be strong, but you have to have a head coach that can take the reins, and he just goes, and he makes all those decisions.
But when he's in front of the team, you have a lot of guys and a lot of different personalities and a lot of different backgrounds, which I think is so awesome about like football, because you come together as one, you go on the field as one and you, there's, you know, all these different backgrounds, but you need someone at the, you know, lead of it, the head coach, that's like gonna, you know, do all that. Like, you know, coach Tomlin, like how much success has he had in Pittsburgh with all these different things? You know, he has a way he leads that is his way.
It's no one else's.

He's not going to be anyone else.

So if I'm getting a head coach, I'm going to be like, hey,

I want to coach with a personality that's going to move a room.

Now, the locker room, you've got to have talent, you've got to have guys,

and you've got to put egos to the side to be great.

Because if egos come in, it can be toxifying to a locker room.

But what helps that is a head coach that sees that

and stops it before it gets started.

So I don't know.

Andy Reid was always a great, you know, example for me in doing that.

He also had Big Dom.

I think Big Dom helps the locker room too.

You know, Big Dom, you know, he has a great pulse on the locker room and the guys.

Yeah, he does.

And, you know, he's one of my, you know, just being in Philadelphia, just going and sitting with Big Dom.

And, you know, his office is one-tenth this size. It's literally just like a little story.
He loves it. He loves it.
He has a great – because they're not going to let things fly. If something's going on, they're going to nip it in the butt.
They're going to knock it out. They're not going to let it fester.
They're going to find a way to get through it. And that's why they have success in Philadelphia.
That's why the teams that have success, when things become toxified in the locker room, they stop it before it gets started. Whereas teams that ultimately fall apart, it's the coach feels uncomfortable to step in because of the – maybe it's like a high-paid player or something like that, and it's scary.
But we're all human beings. We're all players.
We want to succeed at this level. Sometimes we just need a coach to come in and intervene and separate, and then let's talk talk this thing out usually when you talk it out and you put everything on the table we usually get through it i mean that's part of it do you think big dom had aj brown and jalen hurts have a sit down you know what i have no information on that um i do know would that surprise you if big dom was like hey boys we gotta have a sit down it would not surprise me if big dom, hey, no.
That would not surprise me. Yeah.
But I have no idea if that happens. If it happened.
Yeah, that's fair. Fair answer.
I do have another Big Dom question. Just walk me through, like, what's Big Dom's day-to-day? What does he do? You know what? When I was there, it's very different.
The guy, you know, Big Dom's a celebrity now. I mean, he's going to, like, you know, take pictures and sign an orgasm.
He's big sexy. So, you know, his day-to-day, I mean, he's there in the morning, goes to his office.
I could not tell you everything that man does. That man is a secret weapon for the Philadelphia Eagles.
He's been that way for a long time. It's funny just seeing him, being around him.
That's my guy. Seeing him in his track suits.
Yeah, he's the best. He used to be the best kept secret.
Me and Big Cat were upset that we didn't know about big dom until just a couple years we were mad at max on the 49ers game when big dom was introduced to america we're like you've been keeping this from us yeah why isn't big dom here with me right now i should be he sent us some footballs i think he autographed some footballs he called he texts me he calls me my uh he says you're my paisans to us so he's we're i think we're big dom approved and then at Super Bowl, and he was, I forget what he said. I was like Kid Rock on mushrooms or something like that.
It was the highest compliment I've ever. He almost arrested you.
At some point, he's got to write a book. Yeah.
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Zbiotics. Now, more Nick Foles.
So Max is a huge Eagles fan. Big Philly sports guy.
I'm sure he asked some questions for you. He said many, many questions.
Oh, we got to put the headphones on. They're right next to you.
Oh, I got it. Yeah, there you go.
Look at that. I said few for the record.
Okay, few. So how many is a few? I think I have three.
Three questions. I didn't write any of them down.
You also screwed up Nick giving him like a short cord on there. It's all right.
I'm making it work. That's Hank.
That's Hank. Yeah, okay.
Hank also, by the way, couldn't listen. He didn't have his headphones on the entire time back here.
He couldn't listen? Couldn't listen to a single word that he was saying. Hank's a Patriots fan.
He literally left. Yeah.
Yeah, he walked out. This is the ultimate sign of a reaction from Hank.
He walked out for a meeting. I'll give him credit for that.
How many reasons do you got? Yeah, right. He was talking about the Super Bowl.
He said he couldn't listen. He couldn't listen.
All right, go ahead, Max. First of all, I want to thank you for everything you've done for the city of Philadelphia and for the people of Philadelphia.

You're the best, and I love you.

This is very similar to what Luca Brazzi and The Godfather,

like, you know, practicing his speech, like,

hey, I just wanted to thank you on your daughter's wedding day.

He's got his notes right in front of him, so he's good.

I got nothing.

You can see what I'm looking at. First question, Philly Philly call.
Had you ever gone to Peterson before and, like, recommended another call, or was that a one-and-done situation? You know, I've definitely had times in my life where I've gone over to coaches and recommended plays. You know, before the Philly Philly call with Doug, I'm sure we talked about things on the sideline.
The next big moment, um, play call that I ran over to the Doug for was actually against the bears in the playoff game. Uh, I was like, Hey, let's do Q eight, um, to golden Tate and let's just run it.
Cause we had two plays called and they were doing like a zero, zero hole coverage, which basically means it looks like they're bringing everyone, but they they can also drop out. And, uh, so that was the next time, but that was the next year.
So there's only a few times that I've run over there. Cause usually, you know, Doug's a great play caller.
So, I mean, most of the time, um, when he'd call plays, I'd, I'd approve and I knew what he was thinking. That was the biggest thing with quarterbacks that if you have quarterbacks listening to this, the biggest thing you can do is, you know, know your play caller and why they're calling a play.
You know, that's the what's the intentionality of the play. So I knew that with Doug.
So I really never had to do that other than that. Were you confident that he was going to say yes to that? I mean, that is a crazy call.
You know what? I think me mispronouncing the name of the play, the Philly special and asking for Philly Philly. I don't know if it was all the commercials on TV or what it was that were going Philly Philly, uh, maybe rattled his brain to where he just said yes, but no, I, you know, we had talked about it.
We were more thinking second half, go up by two scores, you know, safer place to do it, not fourth and one in that situation. Um, but at the same time, like I said, you know, when a quarterback runs over there and you trust the quarterback a lot of times the coach goes with it okay that was great that was it there's no no no no i gotta know he's letting it soak in he just thought about that memory one more time that's good great that i'll never forget where i was okay um i know it's been said before i think in like different media outlets what where did the hungry dogs thing start and like what was the story that came from there yeah hungry dogs run faster um was from you know and this is from my knowledge and you know i'll get fact checked but from jeff stoutland the offensive line coach who is still at philadelphia and you know he's with chip's with Chip Kelly, Doug Peterson and you know now with Sirianni.
He's just an amazing O-line coach. Does a great job.
The guys love him. I mean the line play consistently since 2013 has been fantastic and that's one been because of the O-linemen and the quality of O-linemen but also because of Coach Coach Stallone.
So that's one of his sayings is, you know, hungry dogs run faster.

And that's the mentality he wanted from his O-line.

And then, you know, the underdog stuff came in because, you know,

we were one of the top teams statistically going into the playoffs.

But then when I took over, we then became the least feared,

which we printed all over our facility.

So even when you went to the restroom and you went number two, where you thought you you could have peace from everything you look to your right and it's just on the wall so there was there was a reminder like what it reminded me i was like don't take anything for granted no one expects every anything from us so put in the work so coach like that was forever that wasn't just because that they were underdogs in every game like all year he was saying hungry dogs run fast that's all. From what I know, that's always been one of his sayings in the O-line, and then it just sort of transformed to the underdog mentality, and then underdog mentality with what is underdog? Well, hungry dogs run faster.
But once again, now I've got another guest for y'all. Get Coach Stout on the show.
He'd be better than me. Yeah, no, I think they just came out with NFL films films about him last night i didn't get to watch yeah he's fantastic i mean he's fantastic yeah eagles online always the best yep all right last question i think you talked a little about a little bit about the philly media they like to emphasize drama what was a quarterback room like when you were when you were taking over yeah i mean they're they're always gonna emphasize drama drama I mean we had a really solid quarterback room in Philadelphia I mean with Carson Nate and I um it was really solid obviously with Carson going down and that you know the one thing I always do with my teammates is try to put myself in what they're going through whether it's an injury or you know that's difficult so you know with Carson having such an amazing year and then getting injured like that down the stretch and then you know we keep going.
That's tough, man. He handled that's difficult.
So, you know, with Carson having such an amazing year and then getting injured like that down the stretch and then, you know, we keep going, that's tough, man. He handled that so well.
And it was a really great quarterback room, and we've all stayed in touch. You know, I was in Nate Sudfeld's wedding, and, you know, when Carson went to Kansas City, I texted him and was like, pump for him, because I got to play for Kansas City in 16 with Andy and just said how much he's going to love it.
And I was like, hey, go get some burn-ins. Make sure you enjoy it while you're there.
So really, for the NFL standards, great quarterback room. I love what Max did right there because he was like, you know the Philly media, they always try to get drama.
Can you please talk some shit about Carson Wentz? That wasn't what I said. Yeah, it was.
He was like, hey, what are you doing? I was just acknowledging that that was something that was being talked about at that time. I also like how you say the word drama with a J.
Drama. There was a lot of drama.
That's what Philly Media likes to do. They're doing it right now.
You're doing it right now. You literally are doing it.
Max, you're literally doing it. I want him to give the opportunity to say that the Philly Media overemphasizes things, and that's what's going on with Jalen Hurts and A.J.
Brown right now. They were saying that Nick and Carson were – that Carson was pissed off that he was there, and I wanted to give him the chance to say that wasn't true or if it was true.
So, yeah, you got it from me that we had a great quarterback room, and the life emotions definitely go in, but we had a great quarterback room in the sense of, like, another and being there during an injury, being there during a difficult situation. The Philadelphia media is nationally known for putting stuff out there and being aggressive with it.
That's what they do, and that's their job to do that. That's how they put food on the table for their family, and that's what they're asked to do.
It is a, you know, when you go into the media and the thing with them is I always had a great relationship with the media because I eventually just took the perspective. I was like, listen, these are human beings.
I know what they're doing. I know they have to ask these questions.
They have, maybe they want to ask you or their boss is telling them like, you have to ask this. It's my job to not get offended or be upset about it.
And if I can't answer a question, I just have to pivot it and give them something to write about. Like, they have to write something.
So instead of just being upset and like, oh, why did you ask that? I was like, you know, I'd eventually be like, you know I can't answer that. So nice try.
But what I can give you is this. But it was more just having that because, I mean, you don't want the media mad at you right in philly i mean if they're mad at you they're gonna go at you so i always want to treat them as human beings and have that perspective and in doing so um i felt like i had a really great relationship with them and i never really had an issue with it i actually had fun going into the media i changed my perspective i was like when i go into this i get my you know heads up like hey here's some stuff that's going on but i'm like all right let's see what they're gonna try to ask as opposed to like i hope they don't ask this because i'm gonna get pissed off i was like let me see if they go this way and if they did i just had fun with it yeah would you listen to philly media would you find yourself in the car tuned in no i actually don't listen to much me i don't literally listen to media i listen to country music uh some christian raps and christian music and then screaming.
Yeah. That's about it.
For me, there would be like a little bit of morbid curiosity where I would know that it wouldn't be healthy for me, but I'd find myself on the drive into the facility and I'd be like, let's just see what WIP is saying. Yeah, I would do like one minute of radio on, one minute off.
Yeah. Just be like, all right, give me a little taste.
You're going to do like a little interval set of the radio. Yeah, right.
That's your mental. So the problem with that, okay, if you're a normal fan, I give me a little taste you're gonna do like a little interval yeah right yeah right that's your mental so so the problem with that okay if you're a normal fan i get it but if you're a player or a coach and i know the coaches you know this coach out there actually do listen and they could say it's their prep work for the media and stuff but my thing is this it goes back to what i said at the beginning with like coach reed and stuff like you have to have a clear-cut direction of where you want to go without the outside sources coming in.
So the second you bring in someone talking potentially bad or ill or dramatic about your team, no matter what you do, it's going to be a part of your mind. You're not tough enough to say, I'm not going to let this affect me.
It might affect you 1%, but that 1% you're going to need to be the best that you can be in the nfl so that's why i think you know anytime you do that as a you know coach or a player you're creating clutter in your brain that you don't want in there yeah it's better to just ignore it completely if you hear them say like one thing nice about you if you have a good game and you tune in real quick and they're like oh nick pulls he's the best this guy's the best you don't want that either and then you don't want that either because when you have a bad game they say say something bad about you, then that's going to absolutely crush you because you gave them power in the first place to have your emotions affected by them. So you don't want to swing the other way.
What about the offseason after the Super Bowl? Did you think that, like, hey, I might just stick around in Philly for a little bit? You know what? I knew that I was signed for two years for two years. So I was signed to go there, uh, you know, the backup Carson for two years.
Um, so I was under contract and I love Philadelphia. I wish, you know, it's one of those places you wish you could play your whole career.
And that's why I retired there. But I, we restructured my deal.
I wasn't going to be like, Hey, I want to be, I want to be released. Like, so we restructured it and, uh, added some bonus protection and all that if I played again, but you know, after we're in the Superbowl, um, you know, that never crossed my mind.
You're so busy too. We wrote a book, you're doing different tours and it just happens.
You know, we, our daughter Lily was seven, eight months old when we won it, you're going on shows. So then all of a sudden the off season hits and it was really nice going back to Philadelphia.
And, I took all the reps in the offseason as Carson healed but you know once he came back I was running scout team and it was good for my heart though you know you go from winning the Super Bowl and being Super Bowl MVP and then all of a sudden you're running scout team and it's just part of it but it was a lot of you know I love the I love the guys the locker room and I really love going to work there but I knew after that season when Carson in 18 when we beat the Bears in the playoffs. And I say that, but I'm also a Bear.
That game broke Matt Nagy's brain forever. I know.
I know. I remember running that same play in practice as a Bear, and I completed it.
Yes, it broke his brain. And they were just like, oh, we can't have you run that play like I'm like dang

there's some ill will towards here but um yeah I think you know I was excited to go back and we restructured in and I'm glad I had 18 I'm glad you know I didn't have to go reset somewhere else after winning the Super Bowl and being there you know we love it like I said that's why I retired there's how much I love the Eagles yeah was that a humbling moment like you you're Super Bowl Superbowl MVP and then boom, scout team. You know, it's definitely humbling, but you know, God had worked so much in my heart through the years.
And you know, when I almost stepped away from the game after my year in St. Louis that I realized when I came back to the game, I was like, you know, whatever I do, I want to glorify God throughout that.
So I just looked at that as another, you know, opportunity to do so. And, you know, he got it done such a work that he took the, you know, maybe the football being an idol

or my identity. And it was like, you know what, you know, your representation of me, you're not

perfect. I'm, I'm a, you know, I'm a human, I'm sinful.
I'm, I've fallen short, but like, I got

to be an example in that situation. So you definitely have to fight the demons of like,

man, like when I'd walk into the facility, like the first picture is like me catching the Philly

special on the Superbowl 52 logo. But then I reminded I reminded like I get to be an example in the locker room with the young guys, the guys coming in, the guys that are here.
You know, even I remember when we were going to London for the London game, you know, all the starters were in the first class because they're playing. And then I'm in the back of the plane, you know, with a lot of the, you know, scout team and guys who are back up because I was back up.
And, you know, we even had some starters come back there with me he's like well nick's in the back of the plane you know i'm gonna be back there too so it was one of those things where it was really cool and i just didn't want to let that ego uh you know take over my heart because if it does it can be to come toxic to the team yeah max was just shaking his head like don't fucking let nick folks in the back of the plane yeah he was upset about that so So when you look back, because it's really interesting, your career is fascinating because you had the highs, the lows, like backup, a bunch of different teams. Do you look back and you're just like, well, at least there was that year I proved what my peak was.
And I was able to show everyone this is the guy that was inside me the whole time. And, yeah, Jaguars didn't go so well.
And there's times where you bounce around. You even said you thought about retiring.
But do you look back and the first thing you think of is like, yeah, see that? I was able to prove to everyone I'm a Super Bowl MVP. You know, I look back on my career just because it was such a wild journey you know from the beginning to the end um and i look back with gratitude um and the one thing is funny because like you know growing up and growing in my faith and through different situations in life i always like prayed for wisdom so like i feel like you want to be downloaded with wisdom i just download it like we download an update on our iphone or android whatever y'all are yeah no we're iPhonehone yeah okay yeah yeah but uh crazy the green bubble sucks are you android i go back and forth on my phone right now but i go back and forth i go i like technology yeah hey i like testing out i always try to you know test different things out um but when i when i look back at it i i gained a lot of wisdom through the ups and downs and you know even you know, when we got to the high, um, I had the heart to realize that, you know, this is really special, embrace it, enjoy it.
And it's about the journey and the people alongside it. It's not about the trophy.
It's about, you know, you remember the moments, the tough moments, cause it was so hard to get there. And then why was I able to endure those moments with my teammates? Well, it was because of the bad moments before that I thought were bad that taught me something inside when every time we'd step on the field we'd get killed maybe when I was in St.
Louis when I was struggling when I got benched um you know where I almost left the game and came back to Kansas City all those different moments come to fruition and I realized how much wisdom I gained to where now I am retired and you know raising three children and raising kids is not easy because you're being intentional and all the different things go on, but it's also the most special thing in life. But I say that as it's also very hard.
So, you know, even coaching you sports, there's a lot of wisdom and I'm grateful for that. So when I look back, I know what I was able to do.
I showed moments of that, but I also think it was a great, um, example of how, how important a team is. Yeah.
You know, it wasn't me. It was my teammates and our coaches and everything together.
So whenever I had success, everyone always says, like, why did you have so much success in Philadelphia? Well, they have a great owner. They have, you know, Howie's done a great job as GM, and they've done great with coaches in the locker room.
They have a system that they hold to. And then also I think the fan base.
The really like makes you know it's like we said like they're gonna hold you accountable just as much if not more than any fan base so like you better lock in because you can't go out there complacent on sunday or monday or thursday whenever you're playing like you have to bring it every single day because those fans are going to let you hear it so yeah you you remember that when you step on it's not that way all the time. Sometimes the stadium's not even full.
So there's not that accountability. So when you almost walked away from the game, that was in St.
Louis? After St. Louis, it was such a turmoil of years.
The last year there in St. Louis going to L.A.
And there was a lot of different moving parts that happened. And I had just been traded from Philadelphia.
And I just did not have fun playing the game, lost heart for the game, and really needed to take a deep breath. And I just feel like playing football, you know, in the NFL it's a business.
But at the same time, like you've got to play the game with a childlike heart and a love for the game. Like that's got to be a part of it.
So I had lost that part of it, and I didn't know if I was going to get it back. And then, you know,, went through this journey and, you know, it was all based on a journey God had presented before me.
You know, my wife was such a huge piece of that. Um, you know, I read that she wrote you a letter.
She wrote me a letter that I keep in a Bible at my house and, you know, I have several different study Bibles and everything. And occasionally whenever I'm using that study Bible, it'll be there and I'll reread it.
And it was, it was her being an amazing wife and best friend and just one challenging me, but two realizing like she was there no matter what I decided, but she also felt like I was going through something and I needed to face it head on and let not let that darkness overtake me. So was it a handwritten letter? Uh, it was, she typed it up.
I think she probably hand wrote it and then typed it up, but it's, it's, and then she just handed you it great writer she's like here are my words and then you sat down you read a letter that's that's very old school but it sounds like it was powerful yeah it was a long letter it was like four pages so it was a long letter i mean you have to think back now every now and then being like what if i had retired you i know money's not everything but you ended up making like 60 more million dollars and won a super bowl mvp that's an all-time what if yeah i mean that that's crazy yeah i mean in the moment that i decided to go back and play i'll never forget it you know we were in california and i was you know i just got back from a camping trip with tory's brother ryan we went camping and fly fishing and you know it was actually the first time i had peace since i was probably a kid because football did not consume me. I had just been released from the Rams, so I was free.
No team controlled me. I got to go on a camping trip.
Andy Reid and I were texting because I was a free agent, and, you know, he wanted me to go to KC, and I just told him, like, hey, I think I'm done. I'm just going to go on this trip and just enjoy being out in the wilderness and fly fishing.
I never got a chance to do that because I was always training. And then I got back, and I had to deal with, you know, six teams that called and all these different things.
And Tori and I are talking about everything. And it's just really hard for me to take because I'm not ready to make a decision.
And I just didn't feel like I could do it. But then I remember just saying a prayer, you know, prayer to God, like, God, like, I really don't know what to do.
I'm struggling. And, you know, there's the calming voice or something inside me, whatever it was, discernment from the Holy Spirit said, just move.
Yeah. Like, stop being paralyzed.
You're living in fear. That doesn't come from me.
Either retire and I'll be with you and I love you and I'll be with you or go back and play. And then the ultimate deciding factor is what are you most afraid of? Yeah.
And I was most afraid of going back to play. So that's why I made the decision.
I was like, that was the thing I did not want to do but i was most afraid of and i knew that he'd be walking alongside me so called andy reed i left my wife thought i was calling my agent to just put in my retirement papers wow and she had no idea because this the conversation had gone where i was probably gonna retire yeah because we're like in tears it was that close it was tough and she was there and she's our rock of our family i walk outside i call andy reed and i'm like hey if you'll have me the training camp's already a week or two in i was like i'll come i was like and i told him 100 what was going on in my heart so he knew i'm like hey but if the love of the game can come back i know it's playing for you in kansas city and if you'll still have me i'd be honored to come here and give it a shot because training camp you have so many guys so like if i don't cut it and I lose heart, they're just going to cut me anymore. So I called my agent, told them.
And then I hadn't thrown a ball for like three, four months or something. So that night, I called Torrey's brothers, Evan and Ryan, who, like I said, both great athletes.
I'm like, hey, we got to go find a field and throw. I got to see if I can still throw this thing.
So I went through. And then like a day later, I'm on a flight K you know get the training camp they don't have like pads or shoes or helmet that fit the quarterback because they didn't count on that so like I'm wearing number one I'm wearing like lineman shoes receiver shoulder pads and like a random helmet and I felt so dumb like I just felt like an imposter right right but it was the fourth day of training camp where I woke up and I was doing my bible study and watching film.
And honestly, like full transparency, like tears came to my eyes because I realized it was the first time in a long time I was pumped to go to practice. I hadn't felt that in a long time.
So that year in 2016, being with the Kansas City Chiefs was my favorite year of football because of everything it led to. And that's why when, you know, I cook with Chef Donnie and, you know, I do all these different things.
Like Big Red is always a big part of like my journey. And I'm super grateful for him having me and the leader he is as a head coach.
Yeah. I mean, it sounds like Andy Reid, like not save your career, but like he having that relationship with him and having someone you can call and be like, hey, here's because if you if you call, you said six teams called you.
If you call one of those other teams and you're like, hey, I don't know if I really want to do it, they'd be like, all right, fine, fuck you, don't come on. No doubt.
You know, but like Andy Reid being like, no, I want to give you this opportunity, that's awesome. Yeah, and he drafted me.
So he knew me for my rookie year in playing and going through the draft process and we stayed in touch after. And, you know, even when I was with Chip and having success, I'd always get a text from Andy.
And, you know, that meant a lot to me.

And that was, you know, really, really special.

And that's why, you know, he means so much.

And I had so much fun.

You know, Alex Smith, Tyler Bray, our QB room.

You know, Coach Nagy was our offensive coordinator.

It just, you know, it showed me so much structure.

Alex's preparation was amazing.

So I got to learn a lot from him and his preparation and just the man man he is and we had a really great quarterback room that the environment was healthy um we had a lot of success you know I played in two games that year and you know had success and sort of got my mojo back. So Andy Reid gets credit for the Eagles Super Bowl.
Yeah and also uh Alex Smith might be the best starting quarterback of all time to be a backup quarterback for. Yeah, he's, you know, yeah, he done, you know, durable, done, you know, just such an amazing player, such an amazing leader.
And I will tell you this, like Alex in the facility, the way he locks in at the facility is truly amazing. Because then we'd have like quarterback date nights and I'm like so used to like, like with the wives, not quarterback.
Yeah, I assume that. Did you have quarterback date nights in Philly with Carson Wentz? How close were you? We did a couple.
So Carson was not – You used to. Hold on.
Nate wasn't married. Nate just got married a year ago.
They're about to have their first kid. They might have had their first kid right now.
And then Carson was not married at the time. Okay.
So he was not invited to date night. Got it.
Yeah. So I did date night with my wife.
Okay, so you would skip, so you and Carson were not as close as you were. Yeah, but context is everything.
They're not married. But he had a girlfriend? He had a new girlfriend who's now his wife.
Oh, okay. Sounds like you could have gone on a date.
Yeah, sounds like things weren't so rosy in Philly. That's interesting.
Yeah, see, y'all are just like, I see what y'all are doing. This is why y'all do what you do.
Yeah. This is why y'all do what you do.
In Philly, did you ever learn all the lyrics to Dreams and Nightmares? I did not, but to this day when that song comes on, so I listen to the beat and everything. When that song comes on, there's something inside me that just juices me up because of running out of the tunnel and what it meant to our team and Meek Mill and everything is going through.
That that song forever will get me going. Yeah.
Yeah. That was a time and place.
Max is smiling ear to ear. All right.
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So my last question was, do you want to give, we've kind of been, you know, singing your praise, Nick Foles, Super Bowl MVP, everything. Do you want to give us any credit for not asking a question about everyone saying you have a big dick? Well, I mean, in a way, you just sort of did that.
No, no, no, he didn't. No, no, no, no.
That was not. Give us credit.
So we're doing this So we're doing this, and when I go on the show, I'm like, all right. Is it weird that the first thing I thought of is like, that's going to be the question? Didn't ask the question.
Didn't ask the question. Playing the tape back, I asked if we, the question is, do we get credit for not bringing up the fact that other people say that you have a big dick? So really, the question is, do we get credit? Y'all do get credit.

Okay, there we go. Nice.

Yeah, I mean, y'all get credit for not asking.

We get the awkwardness of it all,

so you get what you need.

We get credit. Speaking of Roback, they've got

very roomy pants and joggers

and shorts for all types

of bodies. What are you going to say, Max?

I was going to ask if there's ever anyone in Philly who has asked you to sign their dick. What? Alright, so now you can take the credit away because he made it even worse.
That arguably was a little worse because then when you ask the question, then you're thinking about what he just asked. What? Good question, Max.
People feel crazy. People in Philly are crazy crazy i could see it i mean like a tattoo great gratefully no yeah um but there's a lot of tattoos of the super bowl 52 or me um funny story funny story about tattoos so i was in san francisco doing a speaking thing and you know i'd been in philadelphia for a few days san fran before i went back to socal and i really needed to go like get a shower because i travel across country in the morning so i'm like all right there's a ymca so i go to the ymca i'm like all right hopefully you know these gyms now with day passes i don't even know i just work out in my garage so i go in there walk in i'm in san francisco and i'm like hey do you have a uh and the guy just pausing staring at me and my marketing And my marketing agent buddy Austin's with me, and I'm like – and he just lifts up his shirt.
And it's just a full Super Bowl 52 tattoo. And this is San Francisco.
Wow. So I was like, oh, wow.
And, you know, I was like, so I can get a day pass. He's like, yeah, we get free day passes anyway.
But I'm like, well, you're going to give me a free day pass. So I need a shower.
Yeah. But, yeah, that's just sort of the – you know, Philly fans are everywhere.
They love the team. They love the city.

And it's an amazing family. Max, was that you asking

him if he would sign your penis? No.

No. No.
No.

That's not what I was saying. That's what it sounded like to me.

That's not what I was saying. I really wanted

to ask what was the craziest Philly

thing that you saw. And then you talked about

that. And then it made me think, damn,

I wonder if that has ever happened.

In terms of rumors about you, it's the best one you can have the best possible yeah and i don't even think it's a rumor but but in terms of people talking about something yeah i mean i mean it could be worse yeah very well i mean listen i have a small dick so like that sucks i've never had that rumor started about me that never i've never had like former teammates go on podcasts and be like hey yeah just like to confirm the size of pft's dick for you that's really the dream scenario wait so what is the last last question what is the craziest philly fan story or weird or request that you've gotten that was basically what i meant to ask yeah you just did a terrible job like hey dude i don sign their dick? Yeah, I mean, you know, you'll run in occasionally like maybe an image of, you know, a dick that they want signed or something. You know, stuff like that.
But, you know, usually it's not too crazy. I think they know me too.
So they, you know, a lot of it's just like a Philly special thing or something like that. Yeah, they were respectful like us.
You did not ask the question. We did not ask the question.
You didn't ask the question. He brought in a worse question.
That was disgusting, Max. I didn't even ask him.
But my thing is this. I asked about other people's things.
But Max back there is thinking, what can I ask? My question is, how do you get to that? Yeah. Because he was thinking in his head.
He was like, I think Nick Foles has had a good enough time on this interview. He'll sign my dick later.
That's not what I was saying. That's absolutely what's happening.
That's not what I was saying. That's not what I was saying.
100%. Not what I was saying.
Because he's done this before with guests. He's had guests sign his dick.
So he was like. Correct.
And then he goes and gets it tattooed. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
No. His dick is like a wall of graffiti right now.
No, this is incorrect. This is incorrect.
This is not how I wanted this podcast to end. You became a huge part of this podcast.
Yeah. Nope.
Nope. Now on social media, when we pump out, y'all pump out all the, this is like what you're pumping out.
Yeah. He's going to be very upset about it.
That one just popped into my head. Wait.
Oh, man. All right, wait.
So last, last question. You have a merch brand now.
Yes. So you're wearing the hats.

Yes.

Dad season.

Dad season.

I like it.

Dads need more representation.

Yeah.

We deserve credit.

So, yeah, story about it.

So, like, Pat O'Donnell was punting for the 49ers, teammate in Chicago.

Bear, yeah.

One of my best friends.

We co-founded the brand Dad Season.

And, you know, at the beginning of any brand, like, you know, the idea was 2023 really got

going in 2024 throughout the course of this year. It's like, you know, the idea was 2023 really got going in 2024.

Throughout the course of this year is like, how are we going to do this?

You're figuring out what is, is it a podcast?

Is this?

And we're like, you know what?

Let's do great hats.

Let's do merch, you know.

So right now in 2025, we have a great plan to scale more merch, more hoodies, more shirts.

We want like performance golf, performance.

The hat I'm wearing right now is a hydro performance hat. So, you know, moisture repellent these will come out in like january so we want to create and spec out great hats so we have a line of that and you know it's dadszn.com and then on our social but you know it's been a lot of great feedback and we're also going to make things for you know we have a mom brand coming out we have kid stuff coming out uh you know a philly philly girl hat because we have a philly line that's really cool love it um and then we're gonna do stuff for people that are not dads coming out.
Uh, you know, a Philly, Philly girl hat. Cause we have a Philly line.
That's really cool. Love it.
Um, and then we're going to do stuff for people that are not dads. You know, we have, uh, you know, we're going to drop a lot of our performance hats without, you know, just our logo on the side that even if you want to wear it, like you can wear it.
And then, you know, you want Philly, Philly beanie just cause we have the Philly, Philly dad line. So we have a lot of great ideas.
My brain is always churning with ideas and we have a great team. We're truly small.

It's Pat, myself, and our wives are heavily a part of it.

And then we have a small team of people that love the brand.

They're dads and they love what we're doing and they help as we grow in content and merchandise planning and scaling.

So it's pretty awesome.

Nice.

Being a dad rocks.

Yeah.

It's fun. Sometimes it's not fun.
In Chicagoago it becomes a little more difficult because of the cold weather huh yeah well they thank god we have this office i just have my kids just come here and run around yeah that's that's a lifesaver yeah yeah this office is like yeah an adult yeah they love it so um all right well nick thank you so much man it was awesome on. Awesome meeting you.
Max is going to ask for the dick signing after this. Nope.
Nope. Nope.
We won't do that. We're going to cut this.
We'll sign your shirt. No, we're not going to cut any of this.
This is what goes on. This is the real nitty gritty.
He actually did a good job, too, with his previous questions. No, no.
I got it. I was proud of Max for not asking a weird question earlier in the interview.
You know what? He's a true Philly fan. Yeah, right.
You can only contain it for so long. I just wanted to know about other Philly fans.
Once you go... Now, Max, you know what you've done is now Philly fans are going to ask him that all the time and it's all because of you.
Yeah, you actually just created a lot of issues for me. We cut all of this.
You ruined it. You ruined it.
All of this can match. No, no.
You did it to him. All right.
Thanks so much, Nick. All right.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
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Yeah, I mean, I've enjoyed the training. I've seen progress.
I will see if I've seen enough progress. I think it will be close.
I probably didn't go as hard as I should have in the beginning, and much like a project or whatever whatever in school i procrastinated too long i was going through the motions i just wasn't i've been locked in for like two months i just needed to be locked in for like probably an extra two or three um but there is a second part of the dunk bet where it's like we went back and watched the footage when we recorded it you know last year yeah it was go perfect it was go can i all want to explain it? No, you want to explain it? I knew this day would come. You want to explain it? You got it.
My bad. In the, when we, the discussion was, Big Cat said, if you go perfect from three-point contest, 25 for 25, then you win as well.
I said, that's never going to happen. You said, okay, 20.
That's not how it was said. All right you explain no you explain it you explain it i so max is walking around showing everybody this clip yesterday trying to figure out what this clip means if you watch it put it back i watched the clip hank my initial reaction was put it back for 20 we got a mic off right now we got two two podcasters and just not talking into a mic put it back put it back we got a mic off put it back hank what did you think that the the second part i don't i don't know pft maybe if you let me fucking speak i would explain it but you guys got it you take it away my fire fest is i'm not good at shooting threes no that's it say i just you didn't you didn't say literally didn't let me let you finish the part where you said that I was wrong.
Every time I was speaking. That's not what I said.
Okay. Restart.
I misinterpreted what the initial discussion was. I'm not going to be able to shoot 20 threes in a row.
That's it. I have a question, Hank.
Yeah. What was the initial discussion? Do we have a clip? The initial discussion was 25 for 25.
I said, that's never going to going to happen you said okay 20 there was you have to go perfect from three point 25 for 25 i said that's never gonna happen you said okay 20 i heard that as 20 out of 25 when i re-watched the clip this week i realized you guys meant 20 for 20 so i attempted to shoot i i had three shots at it uh i took 25 attempts at it on tuesday and didn't make it more than five times in a row. So that's over.
We have to figure out something that I don't want you to be as down as you are. I actually still think you might be able to dunk.
You're not giving up on the dunk, are you? Nope. So why are you this upset about the three-pointer? I'm not.
You you're not a text you sent me last night makes me think that you might be close to dunking i thought big cat lowered the rims which he said he wants to do to fuck with me i can't i try i don't think i'm gonna dunk i think i'm gonna be i'm just not i'm i can jump 10 feet four inches i think i probably need another inch i don't think i'm going to run out of time Alright so let's negotiate Yeah Let's negotiate Because here's what it comes down to I don't mind It is what it is We made the bet No no no I'm going to honor my bet I'm not trying to get out of it No no So what I told him PFT is like This is for the viewers We want it to be fun for the viewers So obviously if he can't dunk and he can't do the 20 for 20, we should come up with a redemption bet for Hank where it's not us at stake, so we don't have to pay him anything. It's just him getting out of paying us.
Getting back to zero. Yeah.
Okay, so here's the clip if you want to play it. If you can't dunk, I'll give you three chances to go perfect from a three-point contest.

And if you get that, then you get the money.

Okay.

That was smart by me because now he's going to like halfway through not training.

He's going to be like, maybe I'll just train my three-pointers and he'll stop training to dunk.

That works.

So three times through, you'd have to make 25 three-pointers in a row. Yeah, that'll never happen.
All right, we'll say 20. That is so much more likely to happen than you.
So I, again, I remember talking about it, and I remember 20. In my head for the last few months, it was 20 out of 25.
Watching the clip back. I realized it was 20 for 20, which is impossible.
I think 20 for 25 is possible. Obviously, that's not what we discussed.
So the thing we could do, and I propose this, is that we could do you get a redemption rack or a run through and I get three chances to beat you. and if I beat you you or we could do the average of me and PFT and then the difference is what you pay us was the other thing I proposed say that again you and PFT both do one time through we get no no.
You go one time through. That's your score.

So let's say you get 20.

Okay?

PFT and I go three times through each, and we average our best scores.

And then the difference is like, so say our average is 14, and you get 20.

We would then take off whatever it is. So what do you owe us? Eight grand? Eight grand.
You'd owe us two grand. So it'd be like a thousand a point or something.
What do you think about that, PFT? What were the terms that you guys were throwing around yesterday? That was kind of it. It was like that.
It was us going. Is Hank going to risk anything more? It was going to be.
Not necessarily money. It was going to be PFT versus Hank straight up one time going through for a million dollars.

He would have to pay us a million dollars if you beat him.

And we wouldn't have to pay anything if he beat you, we wouldn't have to pay anything.

That was where the insult came in.

He was willing to do a million dollars and get a cat and shave his face.

I kind of want to take that back.

A million? Dude, a million dollars and get a cat and shave his face i kind of want to take that bet a million i mean dude a million it's not the million is cool but getting a cat yeah and shaving i mean i'm open to the either of those okay oh we could do this all right so how about we do this because you owe you would owe us you'd owe us four grand four grand right correct uh i would be willing to go heads up with you one round versus one round if you beat me i'll wipe mine clean okay and then pft go heads up with you if pft beats you you got to get a cat and shave and shave but here's what i'll do wipe it clean i'll also wipe it clean if i beat you i'm willing to trade four thousand dollars cash yeah yeah so it's white so you'd be wiped clean on pfts no matter what and then if he beats you you got to get a cat and shave your face why wouldn't you take this you just said a million dollars why would you take this and? And listen, I do not shoot three-pointers. I mean, we're just going heads up.
One time, one time. I feel like I would probably make four threes.
If PFT goes first, I'll do it. If PFT goes first, I'll do it.
I'll go first against you. Okay.
Okay, yeah, I don't care when I go. Yeah.
Why don't you want me to go second? It's a lot of pressure for me. Oh, I think he's got to go second.
I think he's got to go second for the viewers. I think there's way more pressure on you if you go second.
Yeah, that's true. Way more.
I don't know. I want Hank to go second against BFT.
Oh, okay. Yeah.
All right. I want Hank to go second against PFT.
Except. I don't.
You already accepted. No, I didn't.
I literally did not. You just said if PFT goes first, I'll do it.
And I said, okay, I accept. All right, fine.
I think this is fair. So you're going to go.
So you're going to try to dunk. If you don't dunk, you're going to try to get 23s in a row.
You have three shots at that. If that doesn't happen, we owe you nothing.
So we've won that side of the bet. And then we have the elimination is essentially me and you heads up one time, one time.
If I beat you, you owe me the four grand. If you beat me, we're clear.
And then one time, one time, you're already clear with PFT. But if he beats you, you have to get a cat and shave your face.
It's the shaving the face, isn't it? No, it's the cat. Oh, it is? Oh, I thought it was the shaving the face.
The cat might take care of the spiders. Yeah, true.
Spiders have gone away for winter.

The cat?

Listen, the cat is fine.

I love Hank's ongoing war against the spiders.

I think this is a fair deal.

Yeah.

I mean, I don't want to own a cat, but I also know I'm going to be PFT, so whatever.

You could also adopt an elderly cat.

They need homes, too.

True.

From paws. That'd be so sad if you just adopted a cat.
They need homes too. True.
From paws.

That'd be so sad if you just adopted a cat for it to die like six months later.

You would definitely love that cat.

All right.

We're good. All right, we're good.

Yeah.

Okay.

So already the most you're going to have to pay is four grand.

Correct.

Yeah.

This is a win.

This is a massive win for you, Hank. And you've been shooting a lot more than me.
So I think you're going to have to pay is four grand. Correct.
Yeah. This is a win.
This is a massive win for you, Hank.

And you've been shooting a lot more than me,

so I think you're going to beat me.

Although you've never beat me in a three-point contest.

Yeah, pressure, but I'll walk in.

This is going to be great.

Imagine a PFT beat.

PFT, you got to fucking get tight.

I'm texting tight.

You got to get tight.

You got to get your shit on.

All right.

Pressure.

Pressure makes diamonds.

Or I can just dunk.

Or you can just dunk.

If you dunk, you just, what would you get?

18 grand or something?

20.

20?

Damn.

What a, what a, I mean, now I'm rooting for you to dunk.

Yeah, me too.

Would you still do heads up against PFT just for the cat?

Come on.

The people need the cat.

Hank, if you can dunk, I think you should go heads up against me,

and I'll double how much I owe you.

I'm going to get it.

Oh, my God.

Deal.

Deal.

So you're shooting for a cat no matter what.

Yeah, I love that.

I love that. All right.
And what day are we doing this? Friday. Deal.
So you're shooting for a cat no matter what. Yeah.
I love that. I love that.
All right. And what day are we doing this? Friday.
Friday. Okay.
I'm texting Mark. Yeah.
There also might be someone who could help you. Like a week from today.
Yeah. There's also someone who might be here who could help you shoot too.
PFT. Yes.
A coach of some kind. But I got to put the hours.
That won't add any pressure to you. No, I mean, I'm going to fall apart.
This is going to be terrible. I'm already falling apart.
But you know who wins? The EWLs. And that's all that matters.
That's all that matters. They are winning in this whole thing.
They're going to win. This is going to be a big win for them.
And we're doing the racks, not the guns. Yes.

Racks.

Also, this will be the finale of the PMT documentary. Yeah, this will air Christmas week.

Yes, yes.

So just for everyone who's been asking about that.

This will air Christmas week.

This will air Christmas week at the end of the last episode of the PMT documentary.

Yes, yes.

Okay.

PFT, you're Fyre Fest. That was good.
That was a good talk. I'm sorry for interrupting you at the startT documentary.
Yes. Yes.
Okay. PFT, your fire fest.

That was good.

That was a good talk.

I'm sorry for interrupting you at the start.

It's okay.

I apologize.

My fire fest kind of addressed a couple of them already.

One was that Hank brought back winter by provoking it.

Dude, it's fucking like whatever.

Today was not that bad.

It was negative five wind chill this morning.

It's okay.

My other fire fest. It's going to get to be 40 degrees again tomorrow.
It'll be okay. It'll be okay.
My other fire fest is that I have entered the metaverse. Uh-oh.
I think I like it. I think I enjoy it.
So I got the Apple Vision Pro like seven months ago. What a waste of fucking money that was.
was that's probably the the biggest waste of money i've ever had in my entire life was buying that but a couple days ago went out picked up the uh the meta quest three that thing rocks so you can watch nba games and feel like you're actually courtside at it it's not an ad i just enjoy being in the metaverse i might have to buy it uh you feel like a court side it's great for flight simulators i know you love those big cat yeah so i'm just like rocking my meta helmet at home i was watching college football on saturday i had three games on at once on like big screen tvs that were just floating in my room it is it's awesome i think i'm just a full-time metaverse guy i guess i gotta get it i'm going you can troll in the metaverse too oh you can like go up to other people and start fucking with them oh yeah it's fun okay it's fun i'm gonna be a meta quest guy i'm in the metaverse right now that sounds it was it hard to set up uh no it's very easy to get any headaches no headaches no headaches i remember because we had this in the new york office and I played like two games of something and my brain could...

I also have a fucked up brain.

That's true.

That's a me thing.

That's a me thing.

Yeah, stop talking.

I know that if you don't adjust it,

if you don't adjust the tightness of it

or the lens distance or whatever,

it fucks with you.

But if you have it set up perfectly,

it's...

Man, I'm telling you,

the Apple Vision Pro was like five grand.

This thing was 500.

This kicks the shit out of the apple vision

pro apple vision pro sucks ass but this rocks i might have to get it um all right my fire fest

i get two one is i do think i have a broken pinky i've had it for two weeks i don't know what to do

about it i don't think you can do anything for a broken pinky you cut it off it just hurts really

bad it hurt really bad when i heard it and then it got a little better and now it hurts again

um so yeah i don't think you can they don't do anything for a broken pinky right no you can like

Thank you. It just hurts really bad.
It hurt really bad when I hurt it, and then it got a little better, and now it hurts again. So, yeah, I don't think you can.
They don't do anything for a broken pinky, right? No. You can, like, tape it, I think.
Yeah, I'm not doing anything. So, I think I'm just, like, a hurt hand guy for the rest of my life.
Yeah. And then the other one was that my son just threw up all over my car on Saturday, and that was fun.
And we were in a parking lot after lunch, and I said to him, I was like, you look like you're going to throw up. Do you need to throw up? And he's like, no.
And then we got in the car everywhere. Spin zone, though, big cat.
At least now you have a sick car. Yeah, real sick car.
Real sick car. Oh, it was everywhere.
And then I got blamed for it because he was like, you shouldn't have made me eat the single noodle that he ate for lunch. That was your fault.
He was like, I told you I didn't want that single noodle. It would make me sick.
Damn, you're right. You got me.
All right. Thank you.
Okay. You're fine.
You're we just what just happened here is that you already are down. You already don't have to pay for grant.
You i would i would pay four grand to not have a cat and you're not gonna lose to pft no i know dude i suck pressure pft you shouldn't practice no no stop stop i mean it's not gonna make a difference i think i would honestly shoot i'm probably like seven percent from three. Is that fair?

And you're also going to be on.

You're already going to have done it.

You're going to do it like, what, three times?

So you're going to be warmed up.

And you're in great shape.

Yeah, I'm excited.

I'm nervous, but I'm excited.

You shouldn't be nervous.

I think you're good.

I think you're going to walk away from this and probably not owe anything.

Hopefully. Yeah.
Or be up 20. Or be up 20 or be up 20 yeah you could dunk dude how sick would it be if you were to dunk and you'd have that video for forever oh the way I'm gonna dunk wait how many times does he get again to dunk unlimited yeah cause you'll stop being able to jump as high after a little bit.
You'll quit. Memes, are you still staring at that light? I was showing Pug off the light.
I can't stress enough how long this light has been there. Forever.
And you can also just stop looking at it. All right.
Now I have to look at it. All right.
We ready for numbers? 11. Three.
Nice. What the fuck, man? Two.
That's a big thing for me. 94.
Pug. 35.
I'll go 10. 21.
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