RG3 In Studio, Lions Take Down Packers, Week 14 Picks And Preview And Fyre Fest Of The Week

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He was hanging out with us all day. We're going to talk Thursday night football.

Speaker 1 Great game. We have week 14 picks and preview.

Speaker 1 And we also have some contentious moments at the end of the show with memes and the whole squad.

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Today is Friday, December 6th.

Speaker 1 And PFT, I think Dan Campbell has an addiction, and his addiction is doing the craziest fucking shit at every turn.

Speaker 6 He's addicted to being a psychopath.

Speaker 6 He is insane. He's insane.
Dan Campbell is insane. And this was a rare instance where it worked at the end.
And I still think it was fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, he did two things.

Speaker 1 It was not only that, it was going for it on his own 30

Speaker 1 in, what was it, the third quarter?

Speaker 1 He just wants, I don't think he fully feels alive unless he's doing something that everyone in the stadium is like, no, what are you doing? Stop, please, stop. What did he do? He went for it.

Speaker 1 So, first of all, it was Lions win, 34-31. Great, great game.
Probably one of the best games, Thursday night games we've had.

Speaker 1 It was 45 seconds left, fourth and inches on the 19-yard line or 20-yard line, wherever it was.

Speaker 1 going in. Going in, and Dan Campbell could have kicked the field goal and given the Packers maybe 40 seconds left.

Speaker 1 Instead, he went for it on fourth down

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 to get that extra time off the clock and be able to end the game without the Packers getting the ball back. But he went for it on fourth down after getting stuffed on third down.

Speaker 1 And if you don't get it there,

Speaker 1 you're you I mean you could lose in regulation. It's going to overtime.
You could just kick the field goal with 40 seconds left, but no, no, no. Dan Dan Campbell's like, fuck it.
I'm a psycho.

Speaker 1 I'm basically, I'm going to make sure they never get the ball back. I'm going for this on fourth down.

Speaker 6 The risk reward was insane in that because what he ended up doing was he got the first down, and then he just proceeded to take 40 seconds off the clock and kick the field goal with no time left.

Speaker 6 So he defeated, he defeated Matt LaFleur, and he also defeated the clock. Yeah.
He defeated time tonight. He's 1-0 against time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it was,

Speaker 1 we were having the debate after the game.

Speaker 1 I mean, I would have just kicked the field goal, but I'm not Dan Campbell. But the one thing I've always said about Dan Campbell is he's consistently psycho.
And,

Speaker 1 you know, Stephen Shea was sitting next to me. He's like, they're going to lose a game.
Like, that's going to cost them. I was like, yeah, it might.
But

Speaker 1 they went for it on fourth down on their own 31 in the third quarter that did not work.

Speaker 1 And so I feel like Dan Campbell's got this algorithm in his head, this big balls algorithm that's like, if we just go for it enough on fourth down, enough of them will go our way and we'll come out winners.

Speaker 6 He feels like Tin Cup if he was a football coach. Just like constantly challenging, like staring death in the face repeatedly when he knows that he shouldn't.

Speaker 6 He probably knows it's a problem too. Like after the game, after the adrenaline rush wears off, have you ever done anything really stupid in your life and you got away with it? A lot of times.

Speaker 1 A lot of shit.

Speaker 6 You know that feeling that you get when like you wake up the next morning and you're like, Fuck, that was dangerous. Yeah.
I should have died. I shouldn't have done that.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 And then later on in life, you think back to how dumb you were as a kid and you get scared all over again for what you did.

Speaker 6 Dan Campbell wakes up after game days and he's like, oh, fuck, I did it again.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. But it worked out.

Speaker 1 You guys aren't even mentioning that Jared Goff tripped on the play and was somehow able to get the

Speaker 1 great handoff. Like, it was an unbelievable handoff.
Great handoff. But he, like,

Speaker 1 it was so close to just blowing up in his face.

Speaker 6 And this double blew Max's mind. Max is double mad right now because, one, obviously the Packers, they lost.
Max was hoping that they were going to win.

Speaker 6 But then, two, he hears us talk about Dan Campbell, and all his brain translates it into is, if this was Nick Siriani, you guys would make 45 minutes out of what a turkey is on the podcast.

Speaker 6 But that's the thing.

Speaker 1 Dan Campbell is consistently. So is Nick Siriani.
No, he's not. Nick Siriani does dumb shit all the time.
It was just in the beginning of the year. None of it was working.

Speaker 1 That's a good point.

Speaker 6 Nick Siriani does dumb shit all the time.

Speaker 1 He does Dan Campbell's shit like that.

Speaker 1 And it just wasn't working.

Speaker 1 That's the only difference.

Speaker 6 Dan Campbell does a lot of aggressive stuff that is borderline dumb.

Speaker 1 So does Nick Siriani.

Speaker 6 This was one example where... No, Nick Siriani does a lot of dumb, dumb stuff.
This was one example where Dan Campbell did something that was dumb.

Speaker 1 This was Doidoy.

Speaker 1 If Jared Goff slips there and falls down and isn't able to get

Speaker 1 and he isn't able to get that handoff, you are talking about how much of a fucking idiot he is right now.

Speaker 6 We kind of are right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 but there's no like, no, but I, I, like, he's crazy, he's psycho, but again, he just can, he is consistent.

Speaker 1 He, he, he has a way of doing it, and he's always going to put Dan Campbell's basically driving a car with his foot on the gas to the floor at all times.

Speaker 6 And the, uh, the gas meter is like right on empty. Yeah.
He's like, I think we can make it. Yeah.
He's past this exit.

Speaker 1 He's just always like, we're never going to take our foot off the gas. And I think that that's why it works.
I think that's why they have 11.

Speaker 1 That was their 11th straight win. They're 12-1.

Speaker 6 And what's crazy is it was December 5th, three years ago, that they got their first win of the season

Speaker 6 under Dan Campbell. The Lions beat the Vikings with that walk-off touchdown.
And now they have

Speaker 6 completely flipped it in week 14. I want to address Max's point, though.
Max, if that happened to the Eagles

Speaker 6 and Nick Sirani makes a crazy, crazy play call on fourth down, he's rolling the dice, going for it, and Jalen Hurts' foot gets stepped on, do you think Jalen Hurts can make a game-winning play in a Super Bowl after he gets stepped on?

Speaker 1 If

Speaker 6 he would

Speaker 1 have stepped on and throw a 75-yard pass, I don't think Jared Goff would have been able to play it.

Speaker 6 Make the play. I just said make the play.

Speaker 1 Hand the ball off? Yes.

Speaker 6 Make the play. Make the game-winning play.

Speaker 1 You're comparing a once-in-a-million Hail Mary to a handoff. Just saying

Speaker 6 right now. Jared Goff got it done.
That's what you're doing right now. He gets it done.

Speaker 1 A Hail Mary to a handoff it's listen i i don't agree with going for it there but again that's just what he does he's a psycho and it might and the guys love it and they fight for him and the lions are the best team in football right now and max here's what i should say all right what one thing about the packers the packers i think are still i there i still have them in my problem territory where they i think they could make a run in the playoffs They can't have what happened tonight where Jordan Love had a slow start.

Speaker 1 And it felt like, you know, I know that they were, you blinked, and in the third quarter, they were up, but they were down 10 in the first half, and it just didn't feel like they had any rhythm besides that deep ball.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 they got to get, like, started a little faster, especially in a playoff game.

Speaker 1 So the Packers, I think, are fine,

Speaker 1 and they'll make a ⁇ or fine by the way of like, I'm very nervous about them. The Lions, though, Max, the Lions are going to lose another game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 Like, the Bills next week's basically a buy for them. Them losing that game even though they're going to be in the middle because of the individual?

Speaker 1 Because it's. But then they've got to play the Niners,

Speaker 1 the Bears, the Niners, and the Vikings.

Speaker 1 They need, yes, one of those.

Speaker 1 And even the Niners, I don't know if that gets it done. It needs to be.
Max is obviously nervous because he wants the one seed very badly.

Speaker 6 And it's a big one seed.

Speaker 1 It's huge.

Speaker 6 I'm going to Detroit. It's huge.
It's tough.

Speaker 1 It's a massive one seed. I know.
It's not even going to. It's them.
And them coming to Philly. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's it. That's it.
They don't win that game in Philly.

Speaker 1 Not with the Link.

Speaker 1 They don't win that game. The Lions are so good, though.
Yeah. They're so good.
And Tim Patrick. And all their big games are at home.

Speaker 1 No, they have to go play

Speaker 1 at the Bears and at the Niners.

Speaker 1 But then the Niners.

Speaker 1 That Max at the end of the game was on his phone screaming, all their games are at home. All their games are at the game.
The Lions only play home games. All their games are at home.

Speaker 1 That was me deflecting. That was me being.
It's okay. Yeah, you can be mad.

Speaker 7 Make sure they have big games that are on the road.

Speaker 1 Their division games. They have the Bills at home next week.
That's what.

Speaker 6 That's what really set it off.

Speaker 1 They're scared to play home again. The scariest thing about the Lions, too, is just everyone gets involved.

Speaker 1 They had six guys have five or more catches tonight. And it's just every single guy contributes.

Speaker 1 And by the way, Josh Jacobs, three touchdowns, he was awesome.

Speaker 6 Yeah, if you're the Packers, you're obviously upset that you you lost this game. You're very upset because it was winnable.
But you also know that you can beat the Lions.

Speaker 6 Maybe. You can beat the Lions.

Speaker 1 You're 0-2 against them.

Speaker 6 But you can beat them.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Beatable.
Maybe.

Speaker 7 Tough to beat a team three times. Tough to beat a team to three times.

Speaker 6 Do you think the Packers could beat the Lions in Philly? Yes. I think definitely.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 If it was for the one seed? Yeah, for the one seed. Yeah, yeah.
I wasn't paying attention. I'm looking at their away games right now.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 What's crazy?

Speaker 7 I mean, it's just bullshit. How many are there?

Speaker 1 Less.

Speaker 1 Uneven. So they have less road games than home games.
Damn.

Speaker 6 That's crazy. I have a question for you, Big Cat.
Yeah. Does Matt LaFleur have an anger problem?

Speaker 1 What was he angry about, Pop?

Speaker 6 He's been very angry the last month or so.

Speaker 1 We almost fought a fan before the game.

Speaker 6 Yeah, before the game, this is from

Speaker 6 Dyer Kerrager. Matt LaFleur just told a Lions fan on the field who was taunting in his face to shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 I'm on Matt LaFleur's side. The guy was out there to do the big flag.
I don't think you should be yelling at a NFL coach when you're doing the big flag. Yeah.
Just respect America.

Speaker 6 I also don't think that.

Speaker 1 And I kind of like Matt LaFlore was fired up.

Speaker 6 I also don't think that this reporter should have reported on that. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Like, keep that to yourself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, keep it to yourself. You're NARC.
But what was he mad about?

Speaker 6 He was mad the entire game. He's mad all the time now.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it is, but he's Mad LaFleur. He's Mad LaFleur.
I think he probably, I mean, this was a very important game, and it was a great game.

Speaker 1 And I have one other note I had that's unfortunate. We have stood strong in

Speaker 1 the don't

Speaker 1 try to retire Al Michaels.

Speaker 1 His energy was not there for a game of this caliber.

Speaker 1 This was a playoff game, and it was,

Speaker 1 he was calling touchdowns like they were like, you know, five-yard outs in the first five minutes of the game.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but he can bounce back.

Speaker 1 But it's just like this,

Speaker 1 if there was a time to bounce back, it was this game. Maybe this was the game.

Speaker 6 Saving something for January.

Speaker 1 This was the game. Does he have a game in January? All out.

Speaker 1 I think they stopped. No, week 18 doesn't have any Thursday night football.

Speaker 6 It's kind of ironic that he's turned into a vegetable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is. It's crazy.
It's crazy. I just, I needed more out of him.
I needed more out of him. And I just feel like this was the time for him to really give us more.
Yeah,

Speaker 6 it's okay. I'm willing to forgive.

Speaker 1 I am too. I mean, I'm not.
Listen, I still love the game, and the announcer doesn't affect me that much. Yeah, but I just don't.

Speaker 6 This might be his last season, but

Speaker 6 I don't want to kick Al Michaels out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't want him to go out in a way that it's like, you know, like if we keep going, it's like

Speaker 1 three years from now, and we're like, damn, what's going on?

Speaker 6 What was the over-under on this game?

Speaker 1 It was 52. That's mash.

Speaker 6 Maybe that's why he kind of turned it down because the overhitch everything else.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What are you looking at, Max? I remember there was a streaming playoff game last year, but it's Peacock, not Amazon.
It's on the cock, yeah. Yeah, that's what I got.

Speaker 1 You were worried that. Oh, you thought it was going to be a game.
I thought maybe

Speaker 1 they had a wild card round game, but that's Peacock. Got it.

Speaker 1 You're not going to be in the wild card round.

Speaker 6 No, he's worried about Al Michaels calling the playoff game.

Speaker 1 Yes, we are.

Speaker 1 With that attitude, yes. You're right.

Speaker 1 You're getting home games. With that attitude, yes.

Speaker 1 Yes, Max.

Speaker 1 Anything else from this game? I just love this game. It's just great.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, like, having a game of this caliber on a Thursday night was fucking awesome.

Speaker 6 So,

Speaker 6 somehow, the Lions' defense, I know statistically, they didn't play well.

Speaker 1 They're the most injured. They're the most defense ever if you talk to a Lions fan.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think they have 13 guys on injured reserve. I believe that includes offense, too, but they've got a lot of guys that are hurt.

Speaker 6 The defense didn't look, they didn't look as bad as their numbers were. Right.
That's what I'm saying. I guess you know what it is.

Speaker 6 It's when they hit you, the guys that are out there, if they're in position to, if they're in the right position and they're playing well as a team, they knock the fuck out of you.

Speaker 6 They hit you hard, but then they also give up like a lot of really, really big, easy plays. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So it tricks you into thinking that they're better than they are because when they make a tackle, they make a fucking tackle.

Speaker 1 Aleem McNeil is very, very important for their defense, and he went out like, what was it, six minutes into the game? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, they'll maybe get, I mean, I think Anzalone's coming back,

Speaker 1 get a little healthier. But yeah, the

Speaker 6 lines are just good. You can get Aiden Hutchinson back for the Super Bowl, maybe.

Speaker 1 Maybe, maybe.

Speaker 1 I had one last thing. We didn't say it because we taped everything else earlier, but we did get the Spotified wrap numbers.
And thank you to all the AWLs. This blows my mind every year.

Speaker 1 Yes, it's crazy.

Speaker 6 Thank you very, very much.

Speaker 1 All the people tweeting us, all the people hitting us on Instagram.

Speaker 1 We don't take it for granted one bit. At the end of the year, I always think about it like, fuck, man, we have the best job in the world, luckiest guys in the world.

Speaker 1 And it's like all these people spend all this time with us, and

Speaker 1 it's not lost on us at all.

Speaker 6 No, there's so many podcasts out there that you could listen to. And as a podcast listener myself, you know, you make that choice every single time.
So thank you. Thank you for making that choice.

Speaker 6 And we love you guys and appreciate you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, memes, you want to say anything to our fans?

Speaker 1 I love you. Okay, nice.
That was good. What about to us? You guys are cool, too.
Oh, thanks. And PFT.
Oh,

Speaker 6 and I'm cool, too.

Speaker 1 Now, this is, yeah,

Speaker 1 all right. That was perfectly said.

Speaker 6 I've started a new tradition where I just hug memes every time I see him. Yeah.
And he just physically, he just like recoils. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He doesn't meet me. He doesn't like touching.
He doesn't like touching. Hank, you guys anything you want to say? No, yeah, love you guys.

Speaker 7 It's Spotify.

Speaker 7 Apparently, Spotify fired a bunch of people and that's why the Spotify raps were just bad in general.

Speaker 7 Like it was crazy seeing our numbers, but the aesthetic feeling of going through your own personal Spotify raps and even our part of my take Spotify rapped wasn't the same.

Speaker 7 And apparently it's because Spotify fired a bunch of people.

Speaker 1 Oh shit.

Speaker 1 Very well said. I don't know why I just said that.

Speaker 7 I don't know why I said that. I don't know why I said that.
Thanks to the fans. I know why I said that.

Speaker 6 Thanks to everybody at Spotify.

Speaker 1 You want to take another shot at it?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, I just get weird when I get emotional.

Speaker 7 Our fans are the best fans in the world.

Speaker 1 We're not emotional guys.

Speaker 7 It's mind-blowing that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people, you know, listening and watching the show know who we are. I forget that all the time.

Speaker 7 I just think I'm saying stupid shit with my friends.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which is how it should always remain. That's the beauty of this show: that we have never really thought that we're not just saying stupid shit with our friends.
Maximum.

Speaker 7 Sorry, Spotify.

Speaker 1 I don't know why you did that. That was just like a fuck Spotify, man,

Speaker 1 for no reason.

Speaker 1 That was so weird.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't even

Speaker 1 have to say that. I'm off like Spotify rap drop the ball.

Speaker 6 Thank you to Spotify for carrying our podcast on their platform.

Speaker 1 Keep pumping us.

Speaker 1 Like, Hank heard you say Spotify. Yeah, he just blacked out listening to everything else.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Spotify, that reminds me. Max.
I was thinking it.

Speaker 7 I just shouldn't have said it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Max, instead of saying thank you to our fans, do you have anything else to say about the lion's schedule?

Speaker 7 Also, Apple Music, do something similar.

Speaker 7 Maybe this is your channel.

Speaker 6 What are you encouraging people to do?

Speaker 1 Thank you for listening to everyone who listens to Apple Music, too. I think Apple Music does.
Apple Podcast doesn't. Apple Podcasts.
Thank you, everyone who listened to Apple Podcasts.

Speaker 1 Thank you, everyone who listened to me. Google Play.
Google Play, yeah. Washington Rumble.

Speaker 1 Is that still a thing? Yeah. iHeart.
Yeah. Amazon.
iHeart. Yep.
Yep. Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 I think Google might have got rid of podcasts. I think we're on iHeart.
Fuck. No, not going to say that.
No. Max, anything last thing about the Lion schedule? Instead of saying thank you to the fans?

Speaker 1 The fans probably know how easy the lion's schedule is.

Speaker 1 And that they've just given them all of their hard games at home.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 6 I feel like they play only their division rivals only at home.

Speaker 1 I know. For some reason, I'm only paying attention to the divisional games at home.

Speaker 1 I don't even think that they played those road games earlier in the season. Oh, man.
All right,

Speaker 1 let's kick it to ourselves. We got week 14 preview.
We've got RG3, and then we've got some great Firefests and a little lottery ball magic.

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Speaker 1 Okay, boys, week 14. It's getting late.

Speaker 1 This is not a great slate. We got six teams on a bye.
Last bye week of the season, Broncos, Colts, Patriots, Commanders, Ravens, Texans.

Speaker 1 It has left us with, I would say, not the greatest groupings of games, but that usually is what gives us the most chaos.

Speaker 6 There's a couple good ones out there.

Speaker 1 There's a couple good ones, but you would agree there's also some ones that we'll go through quickly.

Speaker 6 Yeah, we can just talk about draft picks. Right, right.

Speaker 1 Okay, so here's, I have the, I have them ranked in kind of order. One of the first ones that I thought was compelling.

Speaker 1 I don't know. This, I think, might be main TV.
Falcons at Vikings. Yep.

Speaker 1 Kirk Cousins Revenge Games. Kirk Cousins Revenge Games.
Vikings minus five and a half. Over under 45.5 all in the DraftKings app.

Speaker 1 This is kind of do or die for the Falcons here because it feels like everything is trending in the wrong direction. And now you go up against a Vikings defense.

Speaker 1 Brian Flores knows Kirk Cousins from last year. He's going to blitz the fuck out of him.
And here's a stat for you.

Speaker 1 Kirk Cousins, when he gets sacked three plus times, he is one in three straight up this year. And he is one in five straight up when getting sacked three plus times over the last two seasons.

Speaker 1 Gun to your head, do you think he gets sacked more than three times on Sunday?

Speaker 6 I think he gets sacked more than three times. So I think the Vikings are going to win.

Speaker 6 Also, we talk about the In the Hunt graphic a lot on this show because it comes out, you know, what, two weeks ago, I think they debuted In the Hunt. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And how it can be like a very powerful narcotic if you are a fan of a bad team that is still featured in the in the hunt graphic because it tricks you into rooting for your team even though you should actually be hoping that they lose as many games and i'm not talking about like as the games are playing you all become fans and you root for your team to win during the game yeah um but it makes you think oh we still have a chance and you almost never have a chance the tampa bay buccaneers are the team that's lurking in the hunt yeah they're they're like right there with the falcons If anything fucks up with the Falcons, the Bucs are ready to just take that division and run away with it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Falcons obviously have the tiebreaker because they beat them twice, but it is definitely, it feels like two teams going in the opposite direction.

Speaker 1 Right now, we talked about it, I think, two or three weeks ago when we were saying, take the Bucs plus 400 to

Speaker 1 win the NFC South. Yeah.
He's just looking at the schedules and looking at how the Bucs are playing and getting healthier. Yeah, this could be...

Speaker 1 Given the fact that the Bucs are playing the Raiders and the Vikings are playing the Falcons or the Falcons are playing the Vikings, this could be the week that the Bucs are now in first in NFC South.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so Aaron Jones had a bad fumble last week, and he's fixing it.

Speaker 6 I don't think he's in Kevin O'Connell's doghouse. In fact, kind of the opposite.
They kind of nurtured him this week. Kevin O'Connell kept saying, like, I love Aaron.
He's the best.

Speaker 6 Everybody loves Aaron. So, what's the opposite of a doghouse? He's sleeping on the bed?

Speaker 1 Sleeping on the bed. Yeah, sleeping under the covers.

Speaker 6 Sleeping under the covers on the bed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He owns the bed now. Ultimate opposite of doghouse.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so Aaron Jones, to fix the fumbling remedy, some guys carry around a football all week, and that teaches them not to fumble.

Speaker 6 He's been carrying around his children like footballs in his arms all week,

Speaker 6 teaching himself not to fumble. High and tight.
I like this strategy.

Speaker 1 He's been breastfeeding?

Speaker 6 I don't know if he has, but it would mean that Aaron Jones has three generations of Joneses on his body at all times because doesn't he wear, he wears his dad's ashes in a necklace around his

Speaker 6 Joneses. So a lot of Joneses.
I like this strategy of carrying your kids around.

Speaker 1 I'd like to see how he does it, though, because

Speaker 1 if it's a baby and it's it's reverse, I think that's even funnier where it's the asses to

Speaker 1 his chest. Yeah.
So the face is out, so he's carrying it around. The baby gets kind of like a good POV.

Speaker 6 You think he's palming his baby's face?

Speaker 1 No, I would think back. No, no, no, no.
I'm saying

Speaker 1 he's got his hand on the baby's chest. Okay, got it, got it.

Speaker 1 So the baby can look out and he's holding it high and tight. That'd be kind of cool.

Speaker 6 But then he's exposing his baby's head, exposing the end of the football. He's carrying his baby like a little bit.

Speaker 1 So you don't know if his baby can't slide.

Speaker 6 That's true.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We should give credit

Speaker 1 because sometimes we get caught in the trap of like, hey, this guy stinks, this guy stinks. Matty Bafouse is an idiot.
Sometimes some of us get caught in that trap.

Speaker 1 Kevin O'Connell has been elite in one score games. So he is 24-9 straight up in one score games.
And it's the third best win percentage for any head coach in NFL history.

Speaker 1 seven and one this year in one score games. He's such an awesome coach.
And like that kind of is, if you had to pick a stat for

Speaker 1 what makes a great coach, it might be one score games because those are the games where like, you know, blowout wins, blowout losses probably doesn't have a big factor the coaching.

Speaker 1 One score games when you have to make decisions late in the fourth quarter, that's the definition of a great coach. And Kevin O'Connell is that.

Speaker 6 Yeah, high-scoring one-score games. Yeah.
Where do you stand in that? I think he's probably pretty good at it.

Speaker 1 And it's even the, the money.

Speaker 6 It's so weird to me that they didn't give him. He was like doing a contract before the season, and then they just stopped during the season.
I said, we'll figure it out later.

Speaker 6 I think next year would be his last season as a head coach for the Vikings.

Speaker 1 I think that's more contracted.

Speaker 6 Like, what more did he have to do leading to this point to make you feel if you're a Vikings, if you're the owner of the Vikings, like, this is our coach. We want to lock him up.

Speaker 1 He went on expert mode and was like, here, you want me to make Sam Darnold good?

Speaker 6 Josh Dobbs. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Remember that?

Speaker 1 Remember J.J. McCarthy?

Speaker 6 They should have locked him up.

Speaker 1 J.J. McCarthy's going to end up being the best quarterback from that draft class.
Well, that's just what's going to end up happening after all this discussion.

Speaker 1 That JJ McCarthy is somehow going to be like the best player of all time.

Speaker 6 Is it going to affect him at all that they play on artificial grass and so he can't properly ground himself before the games?

Speaker 6 They'll probably put a patch, which is a patch on, where he can also plant a flag if you get

Speaker 6 upset if you come in there and beat him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I like the Vikings in this game, and I do think the Falcons are in deep, deep trouble, especially because the way they lost that Chargers game, their defense finally showed up and had a great game, and their offense completely let them down.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I just, I feel like it's slowly, the air is coming out of the balloon for the Falcons.

Speaker 6 And it is Kirk Cousins' revenge week, but talking to Kirk, he doesn't seem, well, he made it seem like he gets into psycho Kirk mode, but I don't see a revenge game from Kirk.

Speaker 6 I see a turn the other cheek game from Kirk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it sounded like when we did talk to him, that it was the Commander's game will be more of a revenge game.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and really, what does Kirk have to be upset about? Like, a revenge game for paying me hundreds of millions of dollars?

Speaker 1 Living an awesome life, the fans loving me. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Next up, Browns at Steelers.
Steelers minus six and a half. Over-under is 46.

Speaker 1 Have you guys watched any of the hard knocks?

Speaker 6 I saw clips of it.

Speaker 1 I watched the first part of it the other night.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 love Mike Tomlin more than anyone, I think, in the NFL right now. It's crazy how awesome he is.
He is just, he gets in front of a room, and you just get pumped up.

Speaker 1 And then he was sitting watching tape. There was this clip where he's sitting watching tape.
He's got his feet up on the desk. He's eating

Speaker 1 chili cheese Fritos, which are elite.

Speaker 1 And he's just like, yeah, we got to get physical with them.

Speaker 1 He said some clip like, he might, this running back here for the Bengals, he doesn't know your name today, but he better know your name on Monday. And I was just like, yes, let's go.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, he's the best.

Speaker 6 I like all the coach speaks.

Speaker 6 Like, when they get up in front of the team, they're like, this, this NFL schedule has been designed to crush you he's been designed to defeat you and then i was it stefanski or was it zach taylor that was like you guys wanted to be in the playoffs uh stefanski he's like you're already in congrats you're in the playoffs that that's exactly what you say to a team that you know is not going to be very good yeah like congrats guys we've made the playoffs because it's week one and everybody's in the playoffs yeah but tomlin man he just he's he i get it like just even i i i've obviously started to realize it but i now fully fully get it in the fact that like watching him in front of a room, he opened up his house for the whole team for Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 I like that. He's like, if anyone needs a place to go, come over to my house.

Speaker 1 And yeah,

Speaker 1 his big thing was either you're thriving or surviving.

Speaker 1 If you're just surviving, figure out a way to thrive.

Speaker 6 The league will figure you out. Yeah.
Just, it's great. Makes me feel like I'm in a locker room.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then Jameis doing, like, practicing cadences with no shoes on in the quarterback's room was pretty awesome.

Speaker 6 He's the best.

Speaker 1 It's good. The AFC North Hard Knocks is very good.

Speaker 1 As for this game, fun fact, which I think I just memory hold because the Browns went and won a playoff game in Pittsburgh,

Speaker 1 but the Cleveland Browns have not won a regular season game in Pittsburgh since. Anyone got a guess? Baker?

Speaker 1 Miles Garrett? Give me a quarterback and a year if you can.

Speaker 6 Baker 2020. No.

Speaker 1 The Browns have lost. Mason Rudolph assault.
No. Yeah, that's what I was going for when I said Miles Garrett.

Speaker 6 The last time. Spurgeon win.

Speaker 1 The last time the Cleveland Browns have won a regular

Speaker 1 and got it

Speaker 1 in 2003. That's crazy.
20 years.

Speaker 1 Because they won in the playoff game, so it doesn't feel like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's absolutely. Isn't that insane? Is that a COVID playoff game? That was the COVID playoff game.

Speaker 1 That was Stefansky wasn't able to. He was in his basement.
Yeah, that's right. Isn't that nuts?

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's very difficult.

Speaker 7 I don't know

Speaker 7 how much you can count of COVID playoff games.

Speaker 1 Oh, also.

Speaker 1 No, we got to give that. Come on, Hank.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it was late. They had fans there.
Probably first responders in the stadium. It was weird, but I'm going to count it.

Speaker 1 You got to count it.

Speaker 1 You hate Cleveland.

Speaker 1 Is that true, Hank? No, I.

Speaker 6 I did. There was a guy, and I think he was being serious.
And so hosting this show, we get a lot of fan bases that claim that we hate them. You start to get like a taste of the Joe Buck life.

Speaker 6 For the first time, there was a Browns fan that accused me directly. He's like, PFT, you've always hated the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 6 And that, to me, is like the last fan base that I would have expected that from.

Speaker 1 That one's weird. It's weird, right? I've gotten a couple weirds.

Speaker 6 I think it's because, like, I, in the Baker-Browns split-up,

Speaker 1 are talking about memes. Yeah, memes are.
Which I agree with the Browns fan.

Speaker 6 Did I hate the Browns? Yeah. I just took Baker's side.
I said, you should have kept Baker when they did it.

Speaker 1 I didn't anti-PFT memes is agreeing with me.

Speaker 6 Yeah, memes hates me right now. For the record, I don't hate memes.
I love memes.

Speaker 1 I also love memes. memes.
So

Speaker 1 in that 20 years since the Browns have last won a regular season game in Pittsburgh, the Browns have only beaten the Steelers one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, eight times in the regular season total.

Speaker 1 So it's been hammer and nail.

Speaker 6 And also coming off a very public win against the Steelers in prime time. Yeah.
Very emotional win. Reverse.
I feel like this is

Speaker 6 prime for a Tomlin shit kicking.

Speaker 1 Alex Highsmith is back.

Speaker 6 But I do hate the Browns.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you do. You do hate the Browns.

Speaker 1 I don't think the Browns are going to quit

Speaker 1 because of Jameis. But

Speaker 1 we are on quit watch for some teams right now. Yeah.
Like, this is definitely the part of the season. Also, did you guys see...

Speaker 1 Wait, so back to that real quick. What's the Browns fan saying that you hate the Browns? Definitely one of the weirdest.
I was trying to think which one I had.

Speaker 1 I can't remember, but there's always a stray one where it's like, what are you talking about, dude?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think sometimes we don't realize it because we just talk, and we say like a stray comment can really affect somebody.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And I get it as a...

Speaker 1 The Dolphin fans think you guys hate. Oh, I do hate the Vikings, but that's because they're in the NFC North.
I don't hate the Vikings at all.

Speaker 7 Dolphins, Raiders.

Speaker 7 I don't hate the Vikings. Those are the ones I remember

Speaker 1 seeing. No, I'm saying like

Speaker 1 people.

Speaker 7 No, not for me.

Speaker 7 The Raiders we did on purpose when we didn't. Remember, we didn't do them for fastest two minutes.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Yeah, that was all of 2019, maybe.

Speaker 1 I also just want to say, if you pick against a team, that doesn't mean you hate the team. Like, that's someone's got to cover the spread.

Speaker 6 Unless it's me and the Browns. Unless it's you and the Browns.

Speaker 1 Very personal. And you are taking the Steelers.

Speaker 6 I just said this is Mike Tomlins shit kicking. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you see Mike Tomlins' quote about Joey Porter getting flagged six times? He said, when we play Shaq, we're going to use our fouls. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Well, all right, so this week, they've got Land Clark officiating. Oh.

Speaker 6 You know, Land and his crew, they like to throw a lot of pass interference flags, which that should be a stat for the offense and for the defense, too. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And actually, not a bad stat for the defense, because if you commit pass interference, it means that your cornerback was in position to make a play. True.

Speaker 6 But it should be a good stat for the, like, what quarterbacks out there right now,

Speaker 6 I feel like Russ would not be a bad pass interference quarterback with the moon balls.

Speaker 1 No, he would be good. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 6 Yeah, if you got, if you got late hands getting him up there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, although Joey Porter. Joey Porter.
He does get.

Speaker 6 Well, the Steelers might be very good at drawing offensive pass interference and also very bad at committing defensive pass interference.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 1 I'm backing on believing on the Steelers.

Speaker 1 This team makes no sense to me because they're good, but I also don't.

Speaker 1 I'm going to need Russell Wilson to win another Super Bowl for me to say he's not washed.

Speaker 6 Is he back in the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 1 He might be.

Speaker 6 He might be. Should we leak our

Speaker 1 it's also hard for ⁇ oh, yeah, let's leak our news a second. It's hard.
I don't know if you guys struggle with this as well.

Speaker 1 It's very difficult for me to make a quick transition on a team on what I expect from them. I don't expect the Steelers to score a lot of points and have explosive plays.

Speaker 1 They clearly can do that with this offense, but my brain is not caught up, and it probably won't catch up for like four to five years. Yeah.

Speaker 6 We talk about this with RG3 a little bit, but do you know what I'm saying? That you can get a vibe for the Steelers offense pretty early in the game just on how fast Najee Harris looks. Correct.

Speaker 6 Just on the eyeball test. His first run, is he doing the slow, like two-footed hop to the side and get tackled for one yard? Or is he like breaking it to the outside and hitting the hole hard?

Speaker 6 If he hits the hole hard on the first run, I feel like that's instantly Steelers' offense will be good that day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree. Yeah, you want to bleak it?

Speaker 6 Well, let's bleep it out. Can we bleep this out?

Speaker 1 What are you going to say, Max?

Speaker 1 Do you think that there's any chance of a divisional look-ahead game for the Steelers? No, because this is a game in the division. No, that's what I'm saying.
Like, next week,

Speaker 1 they go to Philly, play the Eagles,

Speaker 1 play the three-win Browns.

Speaker 6 That's not their division. Why are we talking about the game?

Speaker 1 Wait, so what would be the look ahead?

Speaker 1 That the Steelers are looking towards the Eagles next year. No, because they just lost to the Browns.

Speaker 1 And they're in the division.

Speaker 6 But, okay. It was a very.
It was a primetime loss.

Speaker 1 And also, if you watch Hard Knocks,

Speaker 1 they all take a lot of pride in division games. I didn't watch Hard Knocks.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You don't watch football during the week. I watch it on, I'm going to watch it tonight.
Okay.

Speaker 1 You sure you can do it?

Speaker 1 Thousands of people. What is it on?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 7 Ardnox. It's on HBO.

Speaker 1 HBO. Max.
Max.

Speaker 6 It's literally on your app.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Who asked that? Someone asked that question the other day.

Speaker 6 I think it was Che.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that was a stupid question.

Speaker 6 So should we leak this news? Yeah. But maybe let's just bleep out the second part of this guy's name.

Speaker 1 Oh, and I want to read this too because I actually was too busy today that I saw it, but I didn't process it. But go ahead.
I'm going to read along.

Speaker 6 Okay, so

Speaker 6 me and Big Cat got a text today from a guy at Barstool named Jersey.

Speaker 6 Bleep out the second part of that so they can't figure out who it is.

Speaker 6 He has been contacted by a representative from Russell Wilson. And he said, I was a day one believer.
Everybody counted him out. I defended him.
I'm so happy he's a Steeler.

Speaker 6 He's done so much in a short time. And the representative was very happy that Jerry Jerry was out there defending Russ.

Speaker 6 Jerry sent us a screen grab of this and said, oh my God, guys, don't leak this yet. And I was confused what he meant by what does he not want us to leak?

Speaker 1 That he's friends, that he's DM'd with Russell Wilson's manager. Yeah.
And he said, well, don't leak this.

Speaker 6 I said, leak what? He said, this thread. I'm going to ask for a meet and greet with Russi.
Is that too fast?

Speaker 6 And I said, what would we leak? He says, the thread, Eric, the messages. This is massive for me.

Speaker 6 And an an update this person said have you met russ yet i want to make it happen and then jerry says no i want to so bad with three exclamation points also i'm looking at this first time jerry's he's hearting too many messages yeah so i've hearted every single one of her messages i said are you hearting every message he said yeah is that too much

Speaker 6 It might be too much. He might be making a little stronger because there's, I think, five messages from this person.
He's hearted all of them.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, he's mad at me now because I told him we were going to maybe leak.

Speaker 6 well we didn't leak it we bleeped out his name

Speaker 1 yeah what also what what what would be the leaking of this yeah

Speaker 1 hello hey jerry we're live on pmt right now uh

Speaker 1 we we might have leaked we bleeped out the second part of your name but we did leak your messages is that a problem

Speaker 1 uh yeah big one why

Speaker 1 well because the meeting is set up oh so it's getting it's getting set up, but I don't want to ruin the chance of that. No, it's all positive stuff.

Speaker 1 If anything, this will actually make it like this person can't back out now because

Speaker 1 if they back out, it's like, hey, what did you do to Jerry?

Speaker 1 I think you're actually right. Yeah.

Speaker 6 To steal a play from Providence Twitter, this is hashtag the meet and greet.

Speaker 1 Yeah. When are you meet and greeting him?

Speaker 1 That's up to her, but I think it's going to be sooner rather than later.

Speaker 6 Jerry, one thing I noticed, why are you spelling it M-E-A-T and greet?

Speaker 1 But if I do do the meet and greet, I want like full access. What does full access mean? Like all access.
Like

Speaker 1 pre-post.

Speaker 1 Pre-post.

Speaker 1 Pre-game, post-game, game worn something, gloves or cleats or something. Why don't we start with just meeting him?

Speaker 1 Good. That means fair.
Okay, that's fair.

Speaker 1 Now, what dates are you looking at?

Speaker 1 She's the one looking at the dates. All right, but you can't miss streaming.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we'll have to. Yeah,

Speaker 1 we're going to figure everything out, Dean. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 1 But it's been leaked, but that's okay. Let's put pressure on them.

Speaker 1 Pressure makes diamonds. Yeah.
Yeah, there you go. Russie Riders.
Russie Riders.

Speaker 6 Jerry, who do you like this weekend? You like them to cover?

Speaker 1 Steelers or Browns?

Speaker 1 I think they win by 25. Oh, wow.
Okay. All right.
Thanks, Jerry. See ya.
You got it. Bye-bye.
All right.

Speaker 6 The meet and greet and pre and post. It should be a lucker.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That was crazy that Max tried to bring in the Eagles for this.

Speaker 6 He's always bringing up Philly Sports.

Speaker 1 I'm just. I want the Steelers to win because we pay for the next week.
They will. But I don't want that.

Speaker 1 That is my worry. And I don't think it's that bad of a take.

Speaker 1 Okay, next game. You know what? Before I say the next game, I'm going to give a trivia.
Let's see who can get it.

Speaker 1 Who

Speaker 1 leads the NFL in receptions this year?

Speaker 1 Adam Thielen.

Speaker 1 He's been hurt for so much of the year, Hank.

Speaker 1 PFT. This shocked me.
I got it wrong, so don't feel bad if you get it wrong. I got it wrong when I saw it.

Speaker 6 Is it Garrett Wilson?

Speaker 1 It is not Garrett Wilson. Any guests in the booth? Memes is a good one.
Brock Bowers? It is Brock Bowers.

Speaker 6 Memes knows the ball.

Speaker 1 Brock Bowers,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 so we're going to do Raiders at Bucs. Bucks minus six and a half over under 46.
Brock Bowers is first in receptions. He's fourth in yards.

Speaker 1 I know that it will go to a quarterback, but Brock Bowers is the best tight end in the NFL.

Speaker 1 He should win rookie of the year.

Speaker 6 I disagree.

Speaker 1 I understand why you have to disagree.

Speaker 6 I just, in principle, have to disagree.

Speaker 1 I understand why you have to disagree. But you see what I'm saying? Like, he is literally the best player at his position in the NFL as a rookie.

Speaker 6 Well, it's also the fact that the Raiders don't really have anything else. Correct.
So

Speaker 6 their opponents know that they have to get him the ball no matter what.

Speaker 1 And they have not great quarterbacks throwing him there.

Speaker 6 And they're still getting him the ball.

Speaker 1 He's that good.

Speaker 1 Do you think the fact that

Speaker 6 he literally doesn't look like a rookie? Maybe. In and out of his helmet.
Maybe. That has something to do with, oh, this guy, he's basically like a BYU player playing against other guys.

Speaker 1 I was just trying to figure out ways to talk about the Raiders without being a big bummer. Yeah, no.
And Brock Bowers is that.

Speaker 6 Brock Bowers is awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's incredible.

Speaker 1 Do you think Mike Rabel's going to be be the next coach of the raiders no because i think he's going to the bears i think he might be the next coach of the raiders

Speaker 1 brady

Speaker 1 yeah the brady connect doesn't it feel like that maybe

Speaker 1 i have no idea how coaching shit's gonna play out um i think the bucks will probably win this game though and maybe cover it because it does feel like the raiders that was uh that was everything on their season against the chiefs yeah they they uh everything's going good for them right now everything's looking good if you're a bucks fan yeah i know it was close against the panthers and Baker's banged up.

Speaker 6 Baker's banged up.

Speaker 1 He hasn't played great in the last couple games.

Speaker 6 But Mike Evans had that sick catch. He did.

Speaker 7 So, why would you replace a former defensive stud players

Speaker 7 coach with a former defensive stud players coach?

Speaker 1 Because Mike Rabel's a really good coach, and Antonio Pierce, who we like, maybe isn't.

Speaker 1 Is that a fair answer?

Speaker 6 I guess. If you're going based off,

Speaker 1 I mean, Antonio Pierce is one,

Speaker 1 I know the team is bad, but I think Mike Rabel's is a better coach than Antonio Pierce. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Antonio Pierce would be so pissed off if a Patriot took his job. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he would.

Speaker 1 Maybe Jets, too. I saw there was a Jets Mike Vrabel conversation.
That should happen. I did see that.

Speaker 1 He wants control of the GM choice, and then he would consider.

Speaker 6 So he wants to pick the GM.

Speaker 1 He wants control, and he doesn't care what Bill Belichick thinks about Woody Johnson. That's what the report was.
I mean,

Speaker 1 that's smart to demand control.

Speaker 1 I don't think he's going to come here. No.
I think he might be the Raiders.

Speaker 6 So, wait, does Vrabel, he says that he wants control over who the GM will be or he wants control over personnel?

Speaker 1 That's what the tweet was.

Speaker 1 He wants to choose the GM so they're on the same page. Got it.
Okay.

Speaker 4 Got it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Bucs.

Speaker 1 I think Monday morning the Bucks are going to be NFC South, top of the NFC South.

Speaker 6 We got a pirate off in this game. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Big time. I like the Bucs.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
Panthers at Eagles. Eagles minus 12.5 over over under 46.

Speaker 1 I'll say it. I think this is...

Speaker 1 The Eagles have to win this game by a lot for me to take them for real.

Speaker 6 How much is a lot?

Speaker 1 They have to cover.

Speaker 1 If I want to take them for real, this is kind of a huge game.

Speaker 1 Trustry? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I said the look-ahead thing because I'm worried about a look head. You're looking ahead.
But it's not divisional.

Speaker 1 I know, but then I added a divisional thing because I thought that made sense, and it honestly made sense. No, it was the opposite.
It was the opposite side. It was dumb.
But that was me projecting.

Speaker 1 That was me projecting my own insecurities.

Speaker 6 Max, would you ever think playing against the Giants you would look ahead if you had the Steelers?

Speaker 1 Ye

Speaker 1 no, but yes. Honestly, yes.
Max, can I make you feel better about this game? Because I think the Eagles are going to kill them.

Speaker 1 Everyone thinks the Eagles are going to kill them.

Speaker 1 But no, I actually disagree. I think there's like the Panthers have covered a couple games in a a row, so people are kind of like wise to the Panthers aren't as bad as they used to be.

Speaker 1 The Eagles' defense is elite. They're top five in total defense.
They're also top five in run defense, which the Panthers are going to want to try to do, which they won't be able to do.

Speaker 1 And then the Panthers' run defense is 31st in DVOA. I think

Speaker 1 this could be the game that Nick Siriani goes video game controller. and tries against Saquon the MVP.

Speaker 1 That would be elite. That would be awesome for me.
I actually think we should contemplate for our TD parlay

Speaker 6 Saquon 2? Saquon 2. The problem with that is if this goes according to plan for the Eagles,

Speaker 6 it's going to be a blowout. And then Barkley might not stay in the game.

Speaker 1 But I think they're going to.

Speaker 1 And I'm not basing this off anything, but I'm just taking a guess. Could we potentially see instead of the tush push at goal line, Saquon trying to get some TDs? Fake tush push?

Speaker 1 No, no, or just Saquon just running the ball normally and scoring that way because the Panthers defense.

Speaker 1 But I'm just saying, like the fake tush push where they fake it and then pitch it to Saquon going to the outside. Okay, but it's just like that, like Saquon, his numbers are there.

Speaker 1 Maybe he needs a couple more TDs because Jalen Hurts has vultured some, so they might just pump him up a little bit this week.

Speaker 6 Max, do you think that the tush push is getting back to

Speaker 6 pre-post-Kelsey levels of effectiveness?

Speaker 1 No, it went. There was a couple weeks where it was bad, but that was because Jordan Milata wasn't there because Jalen Hurts always goes towards Jordan Milata's side.

Speaker 4 So it's just like with Milata back, it's still elite.

Speaker 6 Just as effective.

Speaker 1 I feel like you have some sort of stat to tell me that.

Speaker 6 No, no, this is not a trick question at all. I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 I think it's like

Speaker 1 90% as effective with Jordan Milata.

Speaker 6 Does it still give you that same rush that you used to get?

Speaker 1 I mean, I still have zero.

Speaker 1 I still get just as excited if we're third and one or fourth and one.

Speaker 6 You wouldn't be more excited if it was Jason Kelsey?

Speaker 1 I still kind of have that comfortable. You're just having me put bad tape out there right now for when it does get fucked up, but I still have

Speaker 1 95% of the comfortability that I did last year when it's fourth and one.

Speaker 1 I'm not worried.

Speaker 1 95?

Speaker 1 Like, of last year.

Speaker 6 I've realized what it is with Max when he gets stuck in his senses in his own brain.

Speaker 6 It's because he is actively thinking about whether or not his answer is going to give us something to make fun of him for a little bit.

Speaker 1 Correct, you got later on. But he doesn't realize that no matter what his answer is.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sometimes we just have conversations, Max. Because, like, 95%, that seems like that's pretty good, but there's also 5% where that could be game of inches.
Ever heard of that?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 It sounds like

Speaker 1 I get skeptical every single time you guys want to talk to me. 95% of the time.
Every single time. I think you're out to get me.

Speaker 6 95% is a very high number, too.

Speaker 1 Memes is nodding his head. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I thought Hank was. I thought you were looking at Hank when you were looking at memes.
Memes' reactions are so funny in this episode.

Speaker 1 Here, Max, I got a good stat for you.

Speaker 1 Teams off overtime are 44% against the spread over the last decade.

Speaker 1 So 44% against the spread's bad. And the spread's 12.5%.

Speaker 1 So even if the Panthers cover, the Eagles can still win comfortably. Eagles are going to win this game, Max.
I would love to be be 45% against the spread, by the way. Yeah, me too.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 You said that, and you're, I was like, that's that seems like kind of good.

Speaker 1 It's basically making money.

Speaker 6 This is the non-NBA Cup division.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Max, you're going to win this game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I think we're going to win. I'm just worried it's going to get.
I just don't want it to be. I don't want them to get cute.
Yeah. I don't want them to get cute.

Speaker 1 Win every game, especially because I could see

Speaker 1 we're taping after this.

Speaker 1 The Lions Lions just lost. The Eagles are playing for the.

Speaker 6 You're so bad at this match.

Speaker 1 You did so good for a little bit.

Speaker 1 I know. That's just wishful thinking.
And now this is going to be the part that, whatever.

Speaker 1 So, like, if the Eagles are, like, they have to beat the Panthers for the one seed, it's like, oh, Eagles, one seed, done. Yeah.
Lock it in.

Speaker 1 And then it's like, oh, my God, we finally have a chance to be the one seed, and then we lose to the fucking Panthers.

Speaker 6 So, Baldiani, undefeated, after he shaved his head, is he going to reshave his head, or is it just like this new hair? Whatever's growing in is good, that's winning hair.

Speaker 1 No, he's just got to, he has to keep until he loses again, then he goes Baldiani again. God,

Speaker 1 every loss bald.

Speaker 6 You restart.

Speaker 1 And another thing that I've been worried about for the past couple weeks is Hank keeps saying it, when are we getting the NFL Makes No Sense game? It could have been the Raiders

Speaker 1 on Black Friday. Yeah.
Like, I'm worried that the Eagles are going to get one of these NFL Makes No Sense games. Here's maybe your answer.
What if we have already hit our

Speaker 1 full of it? We had so many

Speaker 1 September and October.

Speaker 6 Raiders over Ravens.

Speaker 1 Remember the first four weeks where it was just

Speaker 1 every single week, there'd be like an eight-point dog that would lose outright? Or eight-point favorite?

Speaker 1 This was a crazy year for the

Speaker 1 diverpool. Correct.

Speaker 7 It's also kind of late in the season for those games. I agree that it might have just passed.

Speaker 1 I don't know, but you said it, and I've been thinking about it ever since. As soon as you said NFL Makes No Sense game, I've been worried it's going to be coming to me.
We did get one two weeks ago.

Speaker 6 What was that?

Speaker 1 It was me. It was me.
Yeah, but it's still like.

Speaker 1 It was like an 11-point spread. But it's also like.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 6 It's also what? What's the last one?

Speaker 1 I mean, it's not like a storied franchise.

Speaker 6 Okay, put it in the bulletin board.

Speaker 1 Don't the Commanders have more Super Bowls than the Eagles? Yeah, we do. Three times? How many do you have?

Speaker 1 I think it's three times more. Were you alive? Three times more?

Speaker 6 Yes, I was. Three times more?

Speaker 1 Were you? Yeah, fucking oldest shit.

Speaker 6 I was alive for two of them.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Saints at Giants. Giants minus four and a half.
Over-under is 41. Giants haven't covered in seven straight games.

Speaker 6 Yeah, there's a lot of depressing stats out there about the Giants.

Speaker 1 This game is not.

Speaker 6 This is going to suck. Because no Taysom Hill to me just means that the Saints are back to just a lot of Derek Carr.

Speaker 1 Yeah, too much Derek Carr.

Speaker 6 Too much Derek Carr. I like a little bit of Derek Carr.
Oh, I do too.

Speaker 6 Sprinkle him in there, but you also have to have like, you know, the crazy Taysom Hill plays where it makes you excited as a viewer to watch. But we're not even going to get that.

Speaker 6 There is a storyline, big storyline. Guaranteed.
I'm going to do the PFT guaranteed graphic of the week that they will show at some point during the game. Darren Rizzi and Brian Dable,

Speaker 6 both on the staff of the 2011 Dolphins together. Wow.
So they'll show the coach's picture

Speaker 6 from that staff. That's as exciting as this game is going to get.

Speaker 1 Are either Darren Rizzi or Brian Dable going to be head coaches next year?

Speaker 1 I think. Over under a half.

Speaker 6 I'd take the over.

Speaker 1 I think I might take the under. I think it's going in the wrong direction for the Giants for the table.
I think they might clean the hole.

Speaker 1 He's a good coach, but I think they might.

Speaker 1 This is a quick game. Yep.
This is a quick game for sure. Although Drew Locke is playing for a contract.

Speaker 6 I guess. Ish.
Is that good, though?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he might try too hard. Yeah.
And I don't think the Saints are very good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this game stinks.

Speaker 1 Bad game.

Speaker 6 This is going to be a bright, sunny day in New York, and it's going to be cold as fuck. And the Meadowlands, that stadium gets brighter in the sun and the cold than any other stadium.

Speaker 1 Yep, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 Okay, next game.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 Jaguars at the Titans. Titans minus three over-under is 40.

Speaker 1 So if the Jaguars lose this game, they will remain with the first pick.

Speaker 6 This might be the NFL Makes No Sense game of the week.

Speaker 1 What, that they're just playing it and putting on TV?

Speaker 6 Yeah, you're going to be watching and be like, what is this? Yeah, I none of these plays make sense.

Speaker 1 Do you think there's any first of all

Speaker 1 Aziz Al Shair doing the like Joker memes and being like, if you want me to be your villain, I'll be your villain to see you soon.

Speaker 1 It's like, no, dude, we just want you to not concuss a quarterback when he's sliding. Yeah.
That was an interesting, interesting thing.

Speaker 1 And people obviously ran with the whole Trevor Lawrence held four weeks and Aziz Al Shir is only suspended for three weeks. Like, yeah, no, duh.

Speaker 1 Suspension is not going to be as long as an injury sometimes.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's kind of how it works.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, what are we talking about?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I do like, I like the fact that he's making himself the villain. Yeah.
But he's literally doing I can't exist.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And so I'm just going to go Joker on you.

Speaker 1 You should get it on a Zal Shahir jersey.

Speaker 6 Or just get your face painted like the Joker.

Speaker 1 Question. Actually, this question for you, Hank.

Speaker 1 I've been thinking about betting the Jaguars in this game.

Speaker 1 And the reasoning behind it is, is there a chance Mac Jones is like, hey, if I want to stick in the league, I got to throw at least one good game out there?

Speaker 7 I've been on that train past couple weeks, and I don't think that's true.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's possible.

Speaker 1 I'm sure he's thinking that. Yeah, no, he's trying to do that, but it might not happen or be able to happen.
It might not physically be possible.

Speaker 6 No, I don't think it is. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 So, you know, Lad McConkey, he is the lead league in rookie receptions as a wide receiver. Brian Thomas is 50 yards away from that.
So Brian Thomas Jr. is having a great season for the Jaguars.

Speaker 6 And I feel like if you get him the ball, then the offense can look average for the Jaguars at times. Average.
The Titans kind of quit last week, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they did. And I think that that's another quit game where both teams are eligible to quit.

Speaker 1 Actually, you know what? I might do in this game.

Speaker 1 Man, it's stupid because it's a divisional game. I was going to say, what if I might just bet

Speaker 1 adjusted line Titans minus nine and a half and Jaguars minus nine and a half and be like, hope one of the teams quits.

Speaker 6 Yeah, one of the two will. This is interesting.
Mac Jones stat here.

Speaker 6 In his two starts this year, the Jaguars didn't reach double digits.

Speaker 6 So I don't know if he's capable of breaking out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it sounds like he's not capable.

Speaker 1 Last early slate game, Jets at Dolphins. Dolphins minus five and a half over under 45.

Speaker 1 Memes?

Speaker 1 I'm excited. For

Speaker 1 Enigma? No, to see how Aaron Rodgers responds. So we have an Aaron Rodgers chip on a shoulder game.
He was calling out the owner, subtly, in the press conference this week.

Speaker 1 When he was saying, like, I shouldn't have to prove myself.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He said, yeah, he said, someone asked, like, is this prove it last five weeks? He says, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 With all due respect, if they want me to stay fantastic, if it takes them five games, maybe they don't know what I bring to the table.

Speaker 1 That being said, I'd love to play really friggin' well the last five games yeah so i'm interested to see if he actually has greatness in him i don't and if he could sling it right as a football fan he also just redid his house in new jersey he said so my giants take could still be yeah yeah that's true that could happen did there did obrick say anything about rogers maybe not being the quarterback no he said he's still he's our quarterback he's our quarterback also don't people like redo their houses right before they're about to sell it for like true yeah wait did if it's like remodeling the bathroom in the kitchen then that's that's to increase value of the home.

Speaker 6 Do we know rooms?

Speaker 1 We don't know what rooms.

Speaker 1 Do you want them to win? I don't want them to win. I want them to play well.
Okay, so that's a perfect answer. Like the Jameis loss.
Yeah. That's what I want.

Speaker 1 You want Rodgers to throw for over 300 yards, which he hasn't done in like three years, and you want the Jets to lose. Jets lose.
Alan Lazard's coming back.

Speaker 1 He's an Alan Lazard merchant. Yep.
So I think the offense should sell it. No Sauce Gardner, though.
No Sauce. The defense will probably get run all over.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was going to say, no Sauce Gardner against the Dolphins offense is tough. Yeah.
I think it's going to be a high-scoring game.

Speaker 1 I got to give credit to Tua. Did you guys see his quote?

Speaker 1 It was very cool.

Speaker 1 Most guys wouldn't do that, but he was asked.

Speaker 1 if he was surprised how surprised he is by the team's five and seven record he said nobody else will say it but me i feel like this has a lot to do with myself obviously putting myself in harm's way in the second game, basically leaving my guys out to dry.

Speaker 1 That's a lot of accountability.

Speaker 6 Yeah, because nobody wants to be like, if he didn't get concussed, we would be better, and he needs to be better at not being concussed for us to win.

Speaker 6 But yeah, there's times where you can avoid hits and try to. Yeah.
I think it's good for him to say.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do too. So

Speaker 1 we're going to root for a good Aaron Rodgers performance. Good Aaron Rodgers performance.

Speaker 6 Jets also haven't beat Tua.

Speaker 1 So there's your stat for the day. Have the Jets won since you you said that Aaron Rodgers was top five in everything?

Speaker 1 Texans?

Speaker 1 Maybe. I think it was after the Texans game.
Before it was. It was after a Thursday, before a Sunday.

Speaker 6 It feels like you're really attacking memes here, big. I'm not.

Speaker 1 I'm just asking questions.

Speaker 6 He's just a solid Jets fan. He's been through a lot of shit.
He's trying to find silver lining. We should applaud

Speaker 1 you, memes. We should patronize.

Speaker 6 Applause this optimism from you.

Speaker 1 He's patronizing.

Speaker 1 He is patronizing.

Speaker 6 I'm not patronizing.

Speaker 1 I like your take, memes, that just have Rogers show that he has some life but lose the game. That's it.

Speaker 1 Show you're still good at football. Don't go outside.
Right.

Speaker 6 Are you going to be watching his Netflix special?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think so. Nice.
Some more torture for yourself.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 There's never been a bigger dumpster fire of a team that's provided as much.

Speaker 6 like documentation of how things are falling apart as the jets have recently that's what makes it feel even more like mean and and pointed where it's like a normal bad team you you can turn your head away from, but with the Jets, they're like, Well, you have to consume all this brand new content that we have coming out.

Speaker 1 You hear what this guy's saying, memes? I'm hearing it.

Speaker 6 Memes, if you had to kill me, what method would you choose?

Speaker 6 Uh,

Speaker 6 hmm,

Speaker 1 Max wants explosion, yeah, bomb, not a big murderer. I feel like you'd poison him,

Speaker 6 so small murderers. So chicks do, yeah, chicks poison.

Speaker 1 Maybe just beat him, beat his brain to pulp. Memes already has released his playbook on death.
Yeah. It's explosion.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I just have a feeling memes might show up dressed in all black with a mask and a backpack on, and that happens.

Speaker 4 Memes.

Speaker 1 Avenge me.

Speaker 1 Memes,

Speaker 1 don't do this to PFT, okay?

Speaker 1 Not think about it. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, afternoon games. We got three.
Sucks. We have three again.
Seahawks at Cardinals, but again, last bye week. Seahox at Cardinals, Cardinals Cardinals minus three, over under 44.5.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I don't know what to do with this game. Mike McDonald had a baby on Tuesday.
That's good.

Speaker 6 I think that's good for a coach. It might give you too much perspective, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The Seahawks defense has gotten better,

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 according to my guys at Sports Info Solutions, they rank as the second worst defense in success rate allowed for the year against play action. Okay.
Cardinals can run play action.

Speaker 1 And I also just feel like it's one of those situations where the Cardinals lost a game to the Seahawks two weeks ago, three weeks ago, revenge spot. Seahawks.

Speaker 6 Or sorry, Cardinals. Cardinals.
Cardinals, because they lost in Seattle. Yeah.

Speaker 6 The Seahawks has, they've beaten the Cardinals six in a row.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 so far as the head coach, Jonathan Gannon hasn't beaten the Seahawks. He's 0-3 against the the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 But the Seahawks are a very strange team where, like, week to week, you have no idea what's going to happen.

Speaker 6 I like the Cardinals, and I like it low scoring. I do, too.

Speaker 6 Maybe a little just heavy Connor running game. Yeah.

Speaker 6 This might be like the James Conner three touchdown game.

Speaker 1 Without a dog in the fight, I want the Cardinals to win just because I want the NFC West to be a cluster fuck all the way to the last game of the season.

Speaker 6 Where we have no idea who.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. By the way, Breaking Moose.

Speaker 1 Breaking Moose. Miami Dolphins wide receiver Tyree Kill just had a baby girl.
Hill now reportedly has 10 plus children in 30 years of life. Oh, wait, that's December 2nd?

Speaker 6 What does 10 plus mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 How many is that?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I'm just reporting this tweet.

Speaker 1 Once you get double choices when you said

Speaker 1 the other baby thing

Speaker 1 triggered memes to say, show them this. So we should maybe bet Tyree Kill?

Speaker 1 But he has so many.

Speaker 6 Well, he scores a lot of touchdowns. How many times has he scored on a baby bird?

Speaker 6 Maybe that's why he scores all those touchdowns.

Speaker 1 Somebody out there

Speaker 1 figure out those facts. 10 plus.

Speaker 6 That's also not a number.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 10 plus.

Speaker 6 That means at least 11.

Speaker 6 Does it? When you throw the plus in there, yeah.

Speaker 1 But if you.

Speaker 6 Or is it just like that's the most babies that you can have? So you count each individual baby, and then once you hit double digits, it becomes 10 plus.

Speaker 1 Like

Speaker 1 you're betting on on DraftKings, and it's 10-plus. It could just be 10 plus.
10, 10 hits. 10-plus children.
Maybe it's just an adjective, like they're really awesome children.

Speaker 1 10-plus children.

Speaker 6 His sperm are just

Speaker 6 as fast as he is.

Speaker 1 Close to a whole team. All right.

Speaker 1 Afternoon game number two, Bills at Rams. Rams plus 3.5 over under 49.5.

Speaker 1 This is a very important game for the Rams. They need to win this game.
Otherwise, they're in trouble.

Speaker 1 Also, just a shout-out, Sean McDermott and Josh Allen. If the Bills win this game,

Speaker 1 Sean McDermott will be the fifth,

Speaker 1 that will be his fifth straight 11-win season. The only coaches to do that are Bill Belichick, Tony Dungy, Andy Reid, and Tom Landry.

Speaker 6 Pretty good company.

Speaker 1 Yeah, really good. That's Bill Belichick with Tom Brady.
That's Tony Dungy with Peyton Manning. That's Andy Reed with Patrick Mahomes.
That's Tom Landry with, you know, Roger Staubach.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good company.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's really good. He's been an elite regular season coach.

Speaker 6 I like the Bills in this.

Speaker 6 I think the Bills are a better team than they've been given credit for all year and getting Matt Milano back on defense and showing some of that up.

Speaker 6 I think I really, really like the Bills this season. I think that they're kind of a slept-on team.
I agree.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 1 Rams in the Hungry Dog?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Let-down game.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Why is that travel?

Speaker 1 Travel. I just think this is.
I don't know if the Rams can win this game, but three and a half.

Speaker 1 The Rams have to win this game. It's a kitchen sink game.
Sean McVay throwing everything at the wall.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the kitchen sink game didn't factor that in. I do.

Speaker 1 You just want to know in those days.

Speaker 6 When I say the Bills are slept on, obviously nobody out there thinks that the Bills are a bad football team. They all think that they're a very good football team.

Speaker 6 I think that they're a great football team.

Speaker 1 No, no, the narrative going into the season was rebuilding year. So now we're in December and they're vying for the one seed, like, respect the fact that they rebuilt kind of on the fly.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think they're a great team and they're having a great season. Micah Hyde's been going to tell me a lot.

Speaker 6 That's what it is for the Bills. Tell me a lot about you, Bills this week.
Tell me a lot.

Speaker 1 Are you for real? Are you for real? Tell me, are you for real? Okay.

Speaker 1 Also, Stafford has an ankle sprain, so we'll see what happens with that, but I'm sure he'll be fine. He's a gamer.

Speaker 6 The Rams picked up Emmanuel Forbes off waivers,

Speaker 6 who was released by the Commanders. Did you see the the video of him? No.
He gets skinnier every single day. It's actually insane how tiny this guy is.
Can we pull up the

Speaker 6 video of him

Speaker 6 practicing with the Rams?

Speaker 1 Oh, he's already out there practicing?

Speaker 6 Yeah, he was on the field.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Yeah, he is very skinny.
Look at that. Whoa.

Speaker 6 He looks like an alien, doesn't he?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's great. I think it's also because of the helmet.

Speaker 6 Oh, he's got the Guardian cap on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, definitely change. But no, he looks very skinny.

Speaker 6 He should never wear a Guardian cap.

Speaker 1 He looks very skinny. I could run over him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, Bears, 49ers, 49ers, minus three and a half. Over, under is 44.

Speaker 1 I think this is going to be a Thomas Brown bump game.

Speaker 6 I'm down for an interim coach bump game. Yeah.
Especially. Do you know anything about him that would make him a great interim coach?

Speaker 1 I think he's just a fiery guy.

Speaker 1 He also has lost 22 pounds since November 12th. He said it's because he's gotten so busy.
Okay. He's gotten two job promotions.
He said if you increase tasks to your day, you forget about food.

Speaker 1 I don't know if he's like traditionally, like, he's not a huge guy, but it's more how much everyone hated Matt Eberflues. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which, by the way, we should give one compliment to Matt Eberflues. Cairo Santos was asked

Speaker 1 about Matt Eberflues, and he said he made the grass at Soldier Field amazing, which he did.

Speaker 1 He did after the 49ers game two years ago, when it was that monsoon, he had them change the grass at Soldier Field and it's been significantly better since. So Maddie Raffle's great legacy.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you can't change the story once once the Bears win multiple Super Bowls. Yeah.
You'll have to give credit to Matty Raffle.

Speaker 1 But that's a hell of a quote to have your kicker be like, hey, say something nice about the coach that just got fired. Yeah, like, dude,

Speaker 1 he changed the grass. It's cool.

Speaker 6 Well, also, the kicker saying that is a bit different than if it was like a lineman stuff. Yeah.
Like, he made it good for kicking. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I also.

Speaker 6 Are you trying to impress Kyle Shanahan this week?

Speaker 1 Well, Florio did do a fan fiction. He did.
And I like it.

Speaker 6 But you've adopted Fan. When I read it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've totally adopted it. You kidding me? I mean, I've been thinking about it for a while now, but I'm totally in on this.

Speaker 1 And Kyle Shanahan did do a press conference where he just said

Speaker 1 Kale Williams is as talented as there is, and he was born to play the position. So, yeah, I'm thinking about it.
I'm thinking about it. Are the Niners just bad?

Speaker 6 Yeah, they might be just bad. They're just bad this year.

Speaker 1 So we just got to accept the fact that they're just not good. Yeah, they're bad.

Speaker 6 Their offense doesn't look great. You can't score in the red zone.
Defense isn't what it was at all.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Just a completely different team right now. Yeah.
Also, a little update on what the Walls reported last September. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 Chris McCaffrey posted on Instagram that he's looking forward to returning and playing better than ever. So he's back next year.

Speaker 6 Not just this year. He's back next year.

Speaker 1 So that's as much of a non-retirement as you can get. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's not retiring. Not even close.
Not even close to retiring.

Speaker 1 Okay. last game, Sunday Night Football.
Chargers a Chief. Chiefs minus four, over under 43.

Speaker 1 Did you see Harbaugh give away

Speaker 1 the lunch pails?

Speaker 6 It's such a blue-collar guy.

Speaker 1 Just love it.

Speaker 1 I unfortunately think this is the Chiefs spot.

Speaker 6 So the lunch pails, they said, what, stalwart was on the one?

Speaker 1 Stalwart? Yeah.

Speaker 6 That's a hardball word.

Speaker 1 That is a harba word.

Speaker 6 Harbaugh read that in like a Hemingway novel and was like, I'm putting that on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Stalwart. Lad McConkey might not be playing in this game, which that is a very significant injury for the Chargers' offense that is limited to begin with.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so his knee and his shoulders fucked up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Harbo's like, he went as long as he could go. Yeah.
And then he came out.

Speaker 6 Thank you for your service, Lad. Yeah,

Speaker 1 the Chargers, when Lad McConkey's targeted, is 0.55 EPA per play, and when he's not,

Speaker 1 0.08. That's pretty significant.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 We'll see what happens with the Chargers' defense and this Chiefs' offensive line, too.

Speaker 1 Well, DJ Humphreys might be

Speaker 1 playing for left tackle, which would be big for the Chiefs. But I just, aren't we kind of like the conversation of the NFL makes no sense?

Speaker 1 Aren't we due for Chiefs flexing on people and being like, hey, we're not bad?

Speaker 6 A reverse makes no sense. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No?

Speaker 1 Maybe. Maybe.

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 1 Are they, though? I don't know. This is why we're having a preview.

Speaker 1 Are they good? I think they are.

Speaker 1 This has to be the Chargers. Why?

Speaker 1 Right. It has to be the Chiefs.

Speaker 7 It has to be the Chargers.

Speaker 6 But if it has to be the Chargers, if they have to play the game.

Speaker 7 If there's any chance of the Chargers winning the Super Bowl, they have to win this game.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 they're going to get to the playoff anyway.

Speaker 7 But if they're going to win the Super Bowl, they have to win this game. Why?

Speaker 1 Because it's an ultimate test. Ultimate coach.
Yeah, you could fail a test and then still ace it later. No, this.

Speaker 7 The Chargers don't win this game.

Speaker 1 Sounds like you have a Chargers not make the playoffs bet.

Speaker 7 No, I just have been brainwashed by you, even though I've pushed back and then

Speaker 7 I'm like, all right, this has to be the Chargers. You're saying, yeah.

Speaker 1 I think the Chiefs blow them out. Yeah, I think it's...
Look, I'm being honest.

Speaker 1 I never said the Chargers winning.

Speaker 1 It's good to hear you be honest. It's like the Chargers.
I never said they were going to win every game.

Speaker 1 I don't know what you're doing here. What do you mean? It's not.

Speaker 1 I never said the Chargers are going to win every game the rest of the way. I think the Chiefs are going to win this game.

Speaker 1 The whole thing is we got to get to a good number. I understand.
Once it gets to the playoff, the Chargers have to win. We got to win a game and win a playoff game and we'll have a great number.

Speaker 1 And then we'll flex on Hank on our cash out.

Speaker 6 Wouldn't they be much more likely to win a playoff game if they won a game like this?

Speaker 1 I don't think it matters. I think they're probably locked in to the spot they're in.

Speaker 1 I feel like you're trying to do some mind tricks right now, and I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know what the story is. I'm being honest, and I think the Chiefs are going to win this game.
I hope the Chargers win, unless I bet on the Chiefs.

Speaker 7 If they can't win a lunch pail game, then they're not winning shit.

Speaker 6 Where else can you go after the lunch pail?

Speaker 1 The hard hat? Yeah. He might even just get his jackhammer.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he's got a few more tricks in his bag.

Speaker 7 I love the Chargers in this game.

Speaker 1 Fuck you.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Let's do our picks.

Speaker 6 Do you think, by the way, with the Chiefs, what are the chances of them trying to fix some of their offensive stuff by bringing B and E B back?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 Isn't that the perfect Andy Reid thing to do again? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, maybe the greatest agent press release ever

Speaker 1 by Eric B. Enemy's agent.
He got fired from UCLA today, and he said, His agent said, Eric and UCLA mutually parted ways today. As previously planned, he's still getting paid by the commanders.

Speaker 1 After interviewing for head coaching jobs last year, he wanted to stay active and busy, so he decided to go help out Deshaun Foster, who is like his little brother at UCLA as opposed to sitting out a year.

Speaker 1 The plan was always to return to the NFL in 2025, and he's looking forward to the opportunities ahead. I'm not owned.
I like that.

Speaker 6 The conversation was, you're fired.

Speaker 1 I agree. Yeah.
They mutually agree. This was always the plan, dude.

Speaker 1 I was always going to not be here next year.

Speaker 6 It wasn't even a coaching gig, really. It was, I'm going to go help out my buddy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my little brother.

Speaker 6 Yeah, if you look at his title, it wasn't offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 It was here to help out. Yeah, but you're exactly right.
Special assistant Eric Bianni.

Speaker 6 Yeah, they're going to bring him back. It's going to happen.

Speaker 1 Should we do a TD parlay first, and then we'll do our picks?

Speaker 1 Do we want to do the Saquon 2?

Speaker 1 I am.

Speaker 6 PFT's out. I'm out this week.
I'm recusing myself from the touch that.

Speaker 7 You could pick Saquon and Big Hat could pick Saquon.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Or I could pick Saquon. No, no, Max is back in.
PFT's out because he's lost the last couple.

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Speaker 1 It's Hank, me, Hank, and Max. Can we get some conviction?

Speaker 1 Can we get some conviction together, boys?

Speaker 1 Bijan.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Max.

Speaker 1 I will go.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to lie. I thought PFT was going to go.

Speaker 6 I will go.

Speaker 1 This is no conviction. God damn it.
You go, and I'll find conviction. No,

Speaker 1 I'm going to do the last one. Or are you going to do a late game? I want to do a late game.
Sure.

Speaker 1 I can find a late game. No, I'm going to do a late game, so you do an early.
Okay, fine. I'll do an early game.

Speaker 1 Jesus.

Speaker 1 Tyrone Tracy.

Speaker 6 What are the odds?

Speaker 1 Plus 140.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Someone's got to score. All right, I'll take Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 He doesn't have a score. Yeah.
All right, let's see what that. Tyrone Tracy is planning to score.
Also, someone doesn't have to score. I know, that's exactly what Memes just said.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's just not right. Yeah, well,

Speaker 6 in this game,

Speaker 6 I could see no score.

Speaker 6 So we're going to do.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen is plus 100. Tyron Tracy is plus 140.

Speaker 1 Bijan. Why don't you just do Saquon, dude? All right, fine.
I'll do Saquon. We want to win, right? I'll do Saquon.
I'll do Saquon. I'll do Saquon.
We want to win. I'll do Saquon.

Speaker 1 Winning is the best part of this. Saquon.
Okay, and then what's Hanks? Josh Allen. Bijan.
Bijan.

Speaker 1 Oh, this will be fine. Plus 415.
Okay. As of now, can change by the time this comes out.
Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, so plus 415. All right, let's do our picks.
Who's up first?

Speaker 1 So last week we did

Speaker 1 no, no, no. So PFT went first for the Thanksgiving pick, and then you went first right after

Speaker 6 for the snake.

Speaker 1 So do you want to pick first again or does Hank? Wait, what? No, Hank would pick first. No, if I went first after, then I shouldn't go first.
Okay, then Hank.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 7 I will take

Speaker 7 what's the records. Are me and Big Cat close?

Speaker 1 We're all

Speaker 1 bad. Big Cat 13-14, Hank, 12-14-1.
The other co-host, 11-16.

Speaker 1 11-16-1.

Speaker 7 I will take the Jets Dolphins under 45.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
I'm going to take the Bengals minus five and a half.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take the Jets Dolphins over 45.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's too bad. He was trying to leave that for me.
He wanted me to go head-to-head with him. Sorry.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take fuck that up, dude.

Speaker 6 I'm going to take the Bucs minus six and a half.

Speaker 1 Bucks minus six and a half. All right.
I'm going to take

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 shit.

Speaker 1 I'll take the Bears plus three and a half.

Speaker 1 and then I will take

Speaker 1 the Falcons, Vikings under 45.5.

Speaker 6 I'm going to take the Seahawks, Cardinals

Speaker 6 under 44.5.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take the Titans minus three

Speaker 1 against the Jacks. I'm going to take the Browns, Steelers over 43.5.

Speaker 7 And I will rock with Jim Harbaugh and the Los Angeles Chargers plus four.

Speaker 6 You love them. Good pick.
Great pick, memes, by the way.

Speaker 1 I love them. What was Memes pick?

Speaker 6 He took the Brown Steelers over.

Speaker 1 Oh, nice.

Speaker 1 Love that pick.

Speaker 6 What? It was a good pick. I was going to take it.

Speaker 1 Patronizing. If I had a third pick, I would have voted

Speaker 1 for Obama a third time if I had a chance.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 You guys should just pick for each other for the rest. Yeah, you guys should.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 No, that's not good for me. No, that would be great.
I'd love to see PFT on a basher party.

Speaker 4 What is that supposed to mean?

Speaker 1 I don't know what it means out there, but I said it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you did say it.

Speaker 6 Sounded cool.

Speaker 1 All right, before we get to RG3, awesome interview with RG3, by the way.

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Speaker 1 Hey, hey, hey, hey, yo, what's up? It's Ryan Ricardo. Hey, Ryan Ricardo.
Ryan Ricardo.

Speaker 6 My statum this week, candy corn.

Speaker 1 Candy corn. You like candy corn.

Speaker 7 Get it on sale. 90% off.

Speaker 7 Great, delicious snack. Great for the holidays.
Underrated. Overhated.

Speaker 6 Overhated. Get some leftover candy corn.

Speaker 7 Get you some candy corn. Great value out there.

Speaker 6 This is the fantasy fuckboys.

Speaker 7 We're looking for value. Speaking of value, my sit him, Hawk Tour.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was mine, too. What happened?

Speaker 7 She just had a bad podcast episode, so I think we're putting her on the bench.

Speaker 7 Did a rug pull. She's got to do a little better with the podcasting.
She also might have started a cryptocurrency scam did a rug pull. I don't even know how that shit works.
It's called a rug pull.

Speaker 6 A rug pull, like what we did to my friend Maury in his wig shop.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. Rug pull.

Speaker 4 My sleeper,

Speaker 7 University of North Carolina. Yeah.
Tah Heels.

Speaker 1 Beautiful school, beautiful campus. You can only root.

Speaker 6 This is what I love about this rivalry.

Speaker 6 You can only cheer for UNC or Duke, no matter what. You can't split them up.
Why were you saying that they're a great team?

Speaker 7 I just think it's a great school, great program. It'd be a great place to end up.
Oh, interesting.

Speaker 7 I'm just, I'm, I'm, you know, people sleep on UNC, and I'm just telling you.

Speaker 7 It's a great spot.

Speaker 1 You would look good in Carolina Blue. Who wouldn't? Yeah.
Great color. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 House divided between Hank and Hank?

Speaker 1 Hank and Henry.

Speaker 6 Henry's Duke, right? Henry. Hank is UNC.
David is Duke.

Speaker 1 What? What? My father.

Speaker 1 David Duke. David Duke.

Speaker 7 David, my father. David.

Speaker 1 Did you Duke? Yeah, but David Duke. David Duke.

Speaker 1 Bad guy. Bad guy.
Bad guy. Bad guy.
Bad guy.

Speaker 1 Is he a football player? No, no.

Speaker 1 He's not a basketball player. No, no.
Providence, but then we're talking about the other guy. Yeah, the other guy.

Speaker 6 KKK. The other wizard.
Not good.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 What's up, fuckheads? This is Michael Thomas Anthony Vincent.

Speaker 1 Oh, what's up, Michael Thomas Anthony Vincent? MTV.

Speaker 6 MTV is what they call me.

Speaker 6 This week, I'm starting

Speaker 6 drug testing. Oh.
Starting drug testing.

Speaker 6 The NFL has just lowered the threshold for the amount of marijuana that can be in a player's system. So they're saying, hey,

Speaker 6 just don't take a hero dose on weed, and we won't get you in trouble. But they're also saying if you post a picture of your drug test on social media, you'll be fined $15,000.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's bad.

Speaker 6 So we're not going to get those posts from guys that have great games out of nowhere and then take the picture and put them online and be like, oh, imagine that random test.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 My cool throne is super fans.

Speaker 6 Not cool throne.

Speaker 6 My sitem

Speaker 6 is super fans in the NFL. A story just came out that super fans are now selling jersey patches on the super fan jerseys and making $2,000 every week like NASCAR drivers out there.

Speaker 6 It's supposed to be about the name name on the back of the jersey. Shoot the name on the front of the jersey, not the name right beneath the name on the front of the jersey.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 6 And then my sleeper this week, big-time sleeper, I'm talking shorts. It is so cold outside.
It is unreal. It was zero degrees the other day.
I went outside of my shorts, put the Christmas lights up.

Speaker 6 I almost froze to death. My balls up in my belly.

Speaker 1 Oh, in the belly.

Speaker 6 Belly balls.

Speaker 1 What's up, fuckers? It's Maxi Delenti. Hey, Maxi.
My stardom this week is

Speaker 1 sandwiches. I make a mean sandwich.
I made sandwiches for everyone

Speaker 1 today,

Speaker 1 yesterday, tomorrow. Look at it on PM TV.
Look at it on PM TV. Maxi Delly.

Speaker 1 My sitem is going to be the fake George McCasky Twitter account that everyone's buying because he's got a blue check mark. Stop tagging everyone in it.
It's not really George McCasky.

Speaker 1 I don't even think he knows how to work a phone, let alone the internet. And my sleeper

Speaker 1 is the Georgia Bulldogs because they banned Bevo Bevo from the SEC championship game.

Speaker 6 That's fucked up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, why?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Mad Cow Disease.

Speaker 6 What's ever happened between those two? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Remember Mad Cow Disease? Yeah. Remember that? That was wild.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 There were a lot of rumors out there.

Speaker 1 You just ate meat and then you went crazy.

Speaker 6 Well, Danny Boy Kane, I think, had Mad Cow.

Speaker 1 No, he did not. Never.
Never. Max, why don't you make his sandwiches once a week?

Speaker 1 I could do that. I'd be happy to fund it.
Every other week. I'd be happy to fund it.

Speaker 1 Max making his sandwiches and tuning to the PMTV.

Speaker 1 It was basically like watching a kid with like a spinning toy where it's like a sensory, you know, like you need to have a sensory break. That was him like spreading the sauces and everything.

Speaker 1 He was just sitting there having the time of his life.

Speaker 6 They were really good sandwiches. I was concerned at how good they looked.
Yeah. Like you really took your time dressing them up.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He did it. He did a great job.
All right. Let's get to RG3.
Awesome interview with RG3 in studio. Give

Speaker 1 Ripped to shreds on his super yacht and the boxes keep

Speaker 1 coming.

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Speaker 6 And now, here's RG3.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He's a recurring guest.
He's in studio. It is Robert Griffin III, Heisman winner,

Speaker 1 rookie of the year.

Speaker 1 And also, we got a beef that we got to settle. All right.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 RG3 and I have gone back and forth. Actually, it's not even a beef because I was just wrong.
Yeah, it's not a wow. So, I mean, I said it, but.
That's big.

Speaker 1 So, you were saying that Caleb Williams, I think the beginning of it was you were like, Caleb Williams should try not to go to Chicago.

Speaker 4 In so many words. In so many words.
In so many words.

Speaker 1 In so many words. I admit it hand up.
Obviously, I'm very defensive of everyone on the internet shitting on the Bears because it happens constantly.

Speaker 1 But I was saying that he's walking into the best situation for a number one quarterback.

Speaker 1 And while I still think it might have been true for some of the players that are around him, the coaching does matter, and that was a disaster, and I was very wrong.

Speaker 1 And I got myself a little hyped up to the point where I looked stupid. So you were right.
Coaching matters, and it was as bad as bad gets because I actually, I wanted Jim Harbaugh.

Speaker 1 There's reports that they actually were going to maybe interview him, but Kevin Warren said no. Once they kept Matt Eberfluis, I was like, I guess this is what we're going to do.

Speaker 1 I'm going to convince myself, but you were spot on. Coaching matters.
And I guess, so hand up, you were right.

Speaker 1 I was wrong. Victory lap, would you like a victory lap?

Speaker 4 It's not a victory lap. Like, I know

Speaker 6 you say when you're taking a victory lap, yeah, that's the best thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, go for the victory lap. You deserve a victory lap.
I understand that. And I, and I get it.

Speaker 4 When I say it's not a victory lap, and then everyone comes and says, Hey, RG, you just took a victory lap. I understand that.

Speaker 1 You deserve one.

Speaker 4 I think where I'm coming from with it is

Speaker 4 I wasn't, honest to God, I was not trying to shit on the Bears. I know.
Right.

Speaker 4 So when I came out and I said Caleb Williams should pull an Elon Manning and tell the Bears he's not coming unless this happens. Yeah.
Now,

Speaker 4 the take that was out there was fully on, hey, coaching matters, structure matters. You're looking at the Bears.
You got, if Caleb comes in and they don't do anything with

Speaker 4 Eberflus, he'll be the third quarterback in a row that had a hot seat coach. And then now he's working on his second coach and his third coordinator in the second year.

Speaker 4 So from that sense, yes, I was right, but I wasn't rooting for the Bears to fail. I just wanted them to make a decision on Fieberflus.

Speaker 1 And when you said too.

Speaker 4 When you said, because I know you, you were a big advocate for them to move on from him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right after the season, I was like, get rid of him. And then this season, obviously, I was like, this is terrible.
Get rid of him.

Speaker 4 And I'd probably say 90% of the fan base also wanted to get rid of him. Yes.

Speaker 4 And so I'm sitting there and I'm like, if in this new age of quarterback, right, in this new age of NIL, transfer portal, player empowerment, LeBron James started in the NBA, it's trickling in all the other leagues.

Speaker 4 If you're a quarterback like Caleb, like Shadura coming out, and you have the power to tell a team, I need you to make a decision on your coach. So I was just saying, extend him.

Speaker 4 If you're going to keep him, extend him so that the team

Speaker 4 knows that he's their guy.

Speaker 1 I think they did secretly extend him into the wraps. Yeah.
So here's my question to that. And again, you were absolutely right because it was a debacle what Matt Eberflus and Shane Waldron did.

Speaker 1 And I was hyper-defensive because I spent, whatever it was, six months of like every national

Speaker 1 media being like, Caleb Williams wants ownership of the Bears. Caleb Williams should try to trade out.
You know what I mean? I saw that. I saw that.

Speaker 1 Here's my question. If you are Caleb Williams and you do that,

Speaker 1 what is the narrative then? Is it like, hey, is this guy a diva? Correct. He's trying to get a coach fired before he's even showing up.
Correct. How does that work?

Speaker 4 So for me, it wasn't about him getting him fired. The Bears had already made a decision that they were keeping Iberflus.
So now it's like I'm having

Speaker 4 Cordy Cronin was a former colleague at ESPN, and she's telling me, well, the Bears don't ever publicly announce when they give a guy an extension.

Speaker 4 That's just

Speaker 4 an organizational practice. But if you're going to do that, look what it did to Iber Flus in that locker room.
When you've got, was it Jalen Johnson? Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, going off on him, you know, allegedly in the locker room after. No, that definitely happened.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't recount that as going off.

Speaker 6 I would just count that as speaking his mind appropriately.

Speaker 4 But who's been speaking their mind the most of all the guys all year? It's been DJ Moore. Yeah.
He's been so honest, like to a fault almost, in his post-game pressers.

Speaker 4 If you publicly extend Eberflus, every player in that locker room now knows he's not going anywhere.

Speaker 1 He's our guy.

Speaker 4 They left it in the balance.

Speaker 4 So for me with Caleb Williams, all I was suggesting he do is say, I need to know what you're doing with the coach so I don't come into a situation where the structure is bad.

Speaker 4 And now he's going to be sitting there, second head coach, third offensive quarterback.

Speaker 1 And the structure is bad. And the structure is bad.
And the organization is bad.

Speaker 4 And we don't have to belabor the point, but the thing that bothered me the most, like, I root for guys. I root for teams.

Speaker 4 I know, like, me saying that kind of turned a lot of the Chicago Bear fans against me because they want their team to be successful.

Speaker 1 You want your team to be successful. I understand that.
I didn't hold it against you.

Speaker 4 When you wrote that, I don't think I wrote, I think I wrote back, but I didn't tear you down, write you back. It was like, I understand why you're frustrated.

Speaker 4 The thing that bothered me was the way that Ryan Poles handled it. Okay.

Speaker 4 Go ahead.

Speaker 1 No, I want to hear what you have to say because I feel like from the outside,

Speaker 1 go ahead. Give me your take.

Speaker 4 Yes. The way that they handled it, going on Pat McAfee's show, and when asked about it, saying it kind of pissed him off, almost as if they weren't walking down the same street.

Speaker 4 They're walking down the yellowbook road to go see the Wizard of Oz that the last three organizational leaders had done. And for him to say it pissed him off because they're there to break the cycle.

Speaker 4 I'm like, well, I'm giving you my educated,

Speaker 4 not just throw something at the wall and see if it sticks. I've been through this.
PFT knows this.

Speaker 4 I went through the structure portion of why it matters in coaching and why it matters organizationally. So I'm giving my advice based off of GMs I've talked to, my own shared experience in the NFL.

Speaker 4 And it's not that they need to listen to me, but don't spit in my face and act like what I'm saying is so disrespectful to you.

Speaker 4 And, you know, I request from Pat McAfee the same time that you guys are giving me on here to be able to go up there and talk about.

Speaker 4 not just why I was right, but how the Bears can fix the issue moving forward. Yeah.
And to me, that was just like, it pissed you off. You want to break the cycle? I want you to break the cycle, man.

Speaker 4 I'm not rooting against Caleb Williams. I'm not rooting against your team.
I want the Bears to be successful.

Speaker 4 Otherwise, I'd have been doing victory laps all year, but I waited because I knew there was a chance that we could have this conversation and it wouldn't be just constant dunking on you guys.

Speaker 4 No, it's not a good idea.

Speaker 1 I'm not a villain. I'm not a villain.
No, you're not a villain. And you were right.
And

Speaker 1 it's more, it's frustrating from a fan's perspective because I want them to be good. And every time there's a change, I'm like, this is going to be different.
And unfortunately, it's still the same.

Speaker 1 Correct. And you were right calling that out.
I still think Caleb has played well this year. And

Speaker 1 he's the one shining glimmer of hope that it's like maybe things will change because of him. Yeah.
Because I think they'll probably screw up this coaching search, too.

Speaker 4 I think Caleb is a phenomenal player. Early in the year, I noticed a lot of Bears fans were like really worried because Jaden was balling.

Speaker 4 He came out, but he came out playing so well because of the structure. Right.
New owner, new GM, new head coach.

Speaker 1 Guy who can call plays. No expectations.

Speaker 4 So they've exceeded them. The Bears are what?

Speaker 1 Four and

Speaker 1 lost six in a row now? Something like that? Four and eight.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think they might be four and eight. So you look at that, and it's like, well, last year you guys were seven and ten.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 You trade away Justin Fields for a bag of chips on layaway next year, right? A fifth rounder next year. Then you keep Eberflus.

Speaker 4 And you're in a worse situation now. So I do think that.

Speaker 1 I think they're in a better situation because Kale Williams is better than Justin Fields.

Speaker 4 I don't disagree with that.

Speaker 4 But if you move on from the quarterback, you should move on from the coach. Agreed.

Speaker 1 That's 100%.

Speaker 1 We agreed on that.

Speaker 4 That was my point.

Speaker 1 And then once they decided to keep him.

Speaker 6 And at the time, deciding to keep Eberfloos, what ended up happening was you had to settle for, I don't want to use the word second rate, but you had the real hot offensive coordinators did not want to go to Chicago to a guy that was on the hot seat and have to move immediately.

Speaker 4 Because I know that Bears fans feel a certain type of way about Shane Waldron, but I don't think Shane Waldron's a horrible coach.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 4 he's a decent coach, but he's the only coach they could get because, as you said, PFT, no one wants to come in and be the hot seat to the hot seat.

Speaker 1 As soon as things go wrong,

Speaker 1 you're fired. You're the first one out.
This is why I wanted Harbaugh.

Speaker 1 And if the reports are true, the problem now the Bears have is that Ryan Poles has basically been kneecapped with all his decision making because Kevin Warren is running the show.

Speaker 1 And it's like, now it's really stupid. And that's exactly what me and PFT were just talking about after the the werewolf game.

Speaker 4 It's, well, now, who was going around doing all the talking this offseason? Right.

Speaker 1 It was pissed off Ryan Poles. Right.
All right.

Speaker 4 Now it's Kevin Warren.

Speaker 1 It's Kevin Warren. I know.
It's stupid.

Speaker 4 So now you're saying to yourself, okay, now is Ryan Poles in the doghouse?

Speaker 1 Yeah. He is.

Speaker 1 I honestly hope Ryan Poles, he would never do this because there's only 32 of these jobs.

Speaker 1 But like, if he has a strong candidate for the head coach and then Kevin Warren vetoes it, Ryan Poles should just quit.

Speaker 1 I don't think he would, but I would love to see it just being like, you guys aren't letting me do my job. I'm not going to be here.

Speaker 1 Because Ryan Poles knows Eberfloos is gone. They're going to hire a new coach.
He'll get at least two or three years. Who's the next on the chopping block? Ryan Poles.
Exactly.

Speaker 4 And it's a never-ending cycle. Correct.
You're just constantly cannibalizing yourself.

Speaker 4 And when I look at Ryan Poles, I had a team, a former teammate call me from my time in Washington when I made the statement.

Speaker 4 about Caleb Williams pulling an Eli to use it as leverage to get the Bears to make a decision. And I thought a public decision, as we mentioned before, was important.
I think that stuff matters.

Speaker 4 I think what happened with me in Washington, I think if there were more public statements from the organization, it wouldn't have stopped it all, but it could have damn sure slowed some of that stuff down.

Speaker 6 Yeah, because when you don't get those public statements, then you start to create your own fan fiction about what could be going on. Thank you.

Speaker 6 And there's all these conflicting narratives about who's talking to who, who's not talking to who.

Speaker 4 They're talking to the fourth string tight end and he's putting a story out and they're like, well, we verified it.

Speaker 4 It's like, okay, you got the fourth string tight end and the fourth string linebacker to verify a story. And it just becomes a constant problem.

Speaker 4 So now I look at it and I'm like, for Ryan Poles, he should still be the one that is out front making the decisions and talking to the media.

Speaker 4 Otherwise, it just looks like you said, like, he got handy. Yeah.
But the question I have for you, Big Kevin, is who do you think should be the next coach? So now who do you want to be the coach?

Speaker 1 So I think knowing the Bears' history, the only way that I'm going to totally buy in on the fact that they've changed anything is if it's Ben Johnson, if it's Mike Vrabel, or somehow, some way Kyle Shanahan.

Speaker 1 If it's not those three guys, it's the same old bears. Okay.
Because Ben Johnson, they probably have to drop a bag for. Drop a big bag.
And they don't want to do that. They're not comfortable.

Speaker 1 They're cheap.

Speaker 1 Kyle Shanahan, similar, would have to drop a bag, maybe draft picks.

Speaker 1 And Mike Vrabel would be a personality that they have not wanted in that building for a very long time, where they don't want an alpha who is like,

Speaker 1 this is my system. This is my program.
Kevin Warren, go sit in the fucking locker, you know, go sit in the toilet and let me run the show.

Speaker 1 If they don't pick those three guys, it's going to be the same thing.

Speaker 1 They're going to pick an offensive coordinator who's, you know, Liam Cohen, who I think is great for the Bucs, who won 10 games in Kentucky. They'll pick him, but they won't give him any power.

Speaker 1 And Ryan Poles won't have power. And the whole team will just be the same.

Speaker 4 I can see. Okay.
Let's talk about the three you mentioned. Yeah.
So first, Ben Johnson. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He didn't leave Detroit last year, talked to Amon Ross St. Brown because they felt like they had unfinished business.
I think they're on the path to try to go finish some of that business they had.

Speaker 4 Why would he come to Chicago?

Speaker 1 Caleb Williams. I understand that.
That's it. That's the only ticket.
That's the golden ticket. I know.
I know.

Speaker 1 It's basically that's why Caleb Williams, unfortunately for Caleb Williams, he has so much on his shoulders now because

Speaker 1 he is the golden ticket because everything else is a mess. And I admit that.
And I see it. Caleb Williams, like, it's going to be a coach.

Speaker 1 If it's Ben Johnson, he's going to be like, Caleb Williams is such a talent that I think I can make this work.

Speaker 4 And I think it's an attractive job as well because of the skill guys that they have around. You come in, you build up the offensive line, you improve the defense, but you have Caleb Williams.

Speaker 4 You have Roma Dunze. You have DJ Miller.

Speaker 1 The roster isn't so bad. It's not a bad roster.

Speaker 6 On a personal level, if you're Ben Johnson, though,

Speaker 6 if you're the kind of guy that would turn down a head coaching job, there are very few coaches. How many were there last year? Seven, eight? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 It's rare that it comes up, and it's rare that you're a hot name, right? So last year, if you're talking about striking while the iron was hot, he should have done it.

Speaker 6 The iron was pretty fucking hot last year, and he said he had unfinished business with a team he cares so deeply about and a staff he cares so deeply about.

Speaker 6 He's willing to turn down a raise of, I'm going to guess, $10 million a year or more.

Speaker 4 Minimum, right?

Speaker 6 Uh, to go back to Detroit. To me, that does not seem like the kind of guy that would want to go coach a team in the division against that same team of brothers that he had twice a year, right?

Speaker 6 Exactly.

Speaker 4 And you're right. It's like you mentioned about Ryan Paul's.
There's only 32 GM jobs. Like to just walk away from one is very.
It's not.

Speaker 1 So you shouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 It would be, I would think higher. Oh, yeah.
No, he would be banned for doing that.

Speaker 4 He would put his foot down. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And that would be awesome. It would be an awesome move.

Speaker 1 That would be a full circle moment.

Speaker 4 Hey, Caleb should pull an Eli, and then Ryan Paul rises up to Eli.

Speaker 1 He gets out of there.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 4 I think, to your point, I agree.

Speaker 4 It's difficult to see him coming to Chicago.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I agree, but listen, it's whether or not if he sees something something in Caleb Williams that he doesn't see in any of the other job openings, that's our only chance.
Agreed.

Speaker 1 Drabo would be great.

Speaker 4 Now, who's the next one other than Kyle?

Speaker 1 Kyle Shannon, that's a pipe dream.

Speaker 4 We have to trade for him.

Speaker 1 Trade for him or if he resigns something. I don't know.
I will say this.

Speaker 4 Kyle,

Speaker 4 you know, I don't want to say we work together. I don't want to misrepresent it.
Okay. But he does a thing called the Quarterback Collective, or he used to.
And they've been working with...

Speaker 4 with Caleb since he was in junior high school. So Kyle knows Caleb.
He knows him really well. He's coached him before in the offseasons.
I don't think that he would shy away from that.

Speaker 4 But it's, again, it's the structure. Yeah.
To me, you almost have to go get someone that no one is expecting.

Speaker 1 Right, which is a bad thing because that's what they always do. Are you saying like a new person?

Speaker 1 In a good way.

Speaker 4 Who was the third person you mentioned?

Speaker 1 Mike Rabel.

Speaker 4 Mike, yeah, Mike.

Speaker 1 But they'll never hire someone who is bigger than the organization, who has an alpha personality. He scares

Speaker 4 Mike Man.

Speaker 1 I love Mike Rabel. I want Mike Rabel.

Speaker 1 George McCasky is a meek man who does not like football. So he's like, you can't have, and Kevin Warren is the same.

Speaker 1 So I think Mike Vrabel wouldn't fit, they wouldn't want Mike Vrabel in the building, which is crazy. Because he's a great coach.

Speaker 4 Wasn't one of the things that got Mike out of Tennessee, the fact that he was like such a big intimidating.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was a big, strong intimidating. He's a big, strong, intimidating.

Speaker 6 Yeah, during the interim process, the owners got intimidated by a real football guy.

Speaker 4 I would love to play for a guy like Mike Vrabel. I think Ryan Tannehill enjoyed playing for him.
I think, obviously, Will Compton here at Barstall enjoyed playing for him. Taylor LaWand.

Speaker 4 I agree with you, though. When you bring Mike Vrabel in, Mike Vrabel is not going to say, hey, Kevin Warren, I'm going to answer to you.
Yeah, right. Hey, hey, Ryan Poles, I'm going to answer to you.

Speaker 4 He's coming in there and he wants to, he's going to be the alpha dog. Even if you don't give him full control, you're still going to feel like he has full control.

Speaker 6 What about Belichick?

Speaker 4 Man,

Speaker 1 honestly,

Speaker 6 in terms of for the podcast, no,

Speaker 1 I don't want. It'd be great.
I don't want Belichick in the fact that I think Belichick is 72 years old.

Speaker 1 I want a coach that, and this is all wishful thinking, is potentially going to be coaching for the Bears for the next five, 10 years because you're going to want to have him have a relationship with Caleb Williams.

Speaker 1 And Caleb Williams hopefully be here for a very long time. Is Belichick going to coach into his 80s?

Speaker 1 Belichick seems more like a guy who's ready to go for a team that's like ready to win in the next two years.

Speaker 4 Here's my two suggestions. And these are off-the-wall, you know, out-of-the-box thinking.

Speaker 4 I think you have to bring in someone someone that knows Caleb Williams. And I know that people have talked about

Speaker 1 fucking. No, no, no, don't you?

Speaker 1 Don't say it. Don't say Lincoln Riley.
Don't say Lincoln Riley.

Speaker 1 Don't take Cliff from me. Don't say Lincoln Riley.
Cliff? No, don't take Cliff from me. Now we'll start with Cliff.

Speaker 4 I've heard rumors that there's some interest there for Cliff to become the head coach.

Speaker 6 There's not. I'm going to pour some cold water on that.
There's no interest per meeting.

Speaker 4 I don't think that Cliff would go to that job personally. For Lincoln Riley, it hasn't worked out the way they want it to at USC.

Speaker 4 I don't believe that Lincoln would succeed in Chicago as the head coach.

Speaker 4 But if he wanted to come to the NFL and be with the quarterback that he won a Heisman trophy with, you make him the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 That would be fine with me. I don't know if he would do that.

Speaker 4 I don't know if he would either. He's making a boatload of money at USC.

Speaker 4 Whoever is working with Caleb doesn't need to be someone that comes in and tries to, hey, let's change what he is. Let's change what he does.
They need to know him.

Speaker 4 That was a big reason why I thought Caleb should want to go to Washington because he had Cliff there who knew how he is.

Speaker 4 And I think we would all believe that Caleb would have started faster this year if he had Cliff Kingsbury as his offensive. For sure.
Right. So that to me would be an out of the box.

Speaker 4 Brent Cliff is the head.

Speaker 4 But I think Lincoln Riley, there's something there of maybe bringing in him or a coordinator that Caleb worked with so they can help him continue to grow.

Speaker 4 But at a head coach spot, until they really iron out the structure,

Speaker 4 I don't see why any top coach would pick the Bears outside of you get Caleb and you got all these weapons on offense.

Speaker 1 Does this give you like PTSD, like even talking about the Bears seeing it and being like, Yeah, I know all the, how all this works because I was basically in this same situation?

Speaker 4 It doesn't give me PTSD. It's just I care too much.
Yeah. Like, I talk to PFT every now and then, you know, and I talk about the commanders and I talk about, it's not about what I went through.

Speaker 4 I talk about Lamar and I and I talk about my process of being a mentor for him. I just care too much, guys.
I had a coach tell me that once. It was Jay Gruden.

Speaker 4 He just told me, hey, man, you need a hobby or something. Like, go play some golf.

Speaker 4 You care too much about winning. You care too much about winning in the weight room, winning in the film room, winning on the field.
You need to loosen up.

Speaker 4 When I see these quarterbacks get thrown in these situations, a lot of guys, there's one, I can't remember, he's always on Pat McAfee's show, former GM,

Speaker 4 and he was like trying to take some stabs at me and say that I always look at it from a player's perspective.

Speaker 4 Well, if you're a player and you come in and you've got a shitty organization and they're not helping you succeed, like a Baker Mayfield going to Cleveland, and now you look at him in Tampa and he's a $40 million quarterback.

Speaker 4 You look at Sam Dartle with the Jets.

Speaker 1 Well, also

Speaker 4 to the Vikings and he's winning. They're 10-2.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Your intensity when it came to, like, you were very public, right, when you got to the NFL about you want to take on a leadership role. You were encouraging guys to do like go above and beyond.

Speaker 6 Correct. Asking everybody like, no, yeah, you have to know your why.
Know your why. And all that stuff, I feel like was great when we were winning.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 6 And then once things go poorly, then it's like, this guy just won't shut the fuck up sometimes.

Speaker 4 And they want to poke holes in everything you do. So when it's know your why, and I ask 50 of my teammates on Twitter, because it was Twitter at the time,

Speaker 4 what's your why? And they're all responding back, it's like, oh, this is the greatest thing since sliced bread. We went 10 and 6.
We won the division.

Speaker 4 We're winning all these awards, all these accolades. But then the next year you go 4 and 12.
And now when you say know your why,

Speaker 4 the tendency is to say, that's why they're not successful. Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's like, well, well, we were successful in the previous year.

Speaker 1 You guys liked it. It was the same thing.

Speaker 6 It's like when Cam Newton wins a game and he puts on the crazy outfit, that guy looks awesome. And he loses a game.
It's like, why is he wearing a peacock on his neck?

Speaker 4 Exactly. And like, we understand as players, like, now at 34, 34, I understand the ebbs and flows of that.

Speaker 4 You don't take it personally as a player anymore because you understand that when you're winning, everything is fine.

Speaker 6 Yeah. So, what does it look like from a player's perspective going into an organization that is in disarray, chaos, mismanaged?

Speaker 6 Like, what are the actual day-to-day things that make your life harder as a player?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, for I'm sure Caleb comes to Chicago, he realizes that the fan base is phenomenal, right? Like, I'm not mad at the Bears fan base. I don't didn't.

Speaker 1 No, you're right.

Speaker 4 It's fine to be right, but I don't do it to be right. I'm trying to

Speaker 4 educate you with my own opinion. So Caleb comes here.
He's probably like, oh, I'm going to be the guy. I'm going to throw for 4,000 yards.
I'm going to be the franchise QB.

Speaker 4 So when you get here at first, you don't have a focus of, hey, what's going on with Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles and what's going on with the McCaskies? You just come in and you do your job.

Speaker 4 You're trying to win over your locker room.

Speaker 4 And I was like a little bothered by the fact that even before Caleb got to the locker room, there were people in the locker room saying, hey, he can't come up in here being Hollywood.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, they love Justin Fields. They love Justin Fields.

Speaker 4 What is going on?

Speaker 6 Yeah, DJ Moore liked Justin Fields, and he's a loyal guy. And so they were still upset after they dealt him away.
So he's like, I really miss Justin. I'm not going to move on like that.

Speaker 4 And I respect that from the players. It's just the organization clearly didn't care.
Right. And they said, we're going in this direction.
We don't care what you think.

Speaker 4 So when you step into that environment, you're just trying to win him over. I think Caleb has won him over over the past three weeks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 4 I think before that, they were sitting there like, bro, we should probably still have Justin. And I don't know if that's necessarily right or not.

Speaker 4 But as a player, you walk in, you don't understand the layers of it till years go by. It took me to go to Cleveland.
I went from dysfunction in Washington to dysfunction in Cleveland.

Speaker 4 Then I was out for a year. Then I was blessed with the opportunity to go play in Baltimore.
And that organization, the way they run it, Mr. Bashadi at the top.
You got Eric DeCasa.

Speaker 4 We had Ozzie was the GM my first year there. And then Eric DeCasa took over.
You got John Harbaugh. The way they structure that organization is how it's supposed to be done.

Speaker 4 And that's where I think players don't understand, damn, why did I come into this league this whatever, all-star, Balitnikov, whatever you win.

Speaker 4 And you get to a team and it's like, why am I not being used the same way?

Speaker 4 Why aren't they helping me get in the right position? Why am I not making the same types of plays? It's all about the structure.

Speaker 4 And I think for a quarterback, you have a structure that helps you build leadership.

Speaker 4 I don't know if Matt Eberflus created a structure for Caleb to be a leader in that first part of the season, and now he's gone, and Caleb's got to do that whole process all over again with a new head coach.

Speaker 6 You talked about going to Cleveland. Wasn't there a story that your car got broken into? Or like some shit got stolen out of your car?

Speaker 4 Yes, man, you bring in. My car actually got broken into in Cleveland and Baltimore, but it was Cleveland.
We were at the game, and

Speaker 4 they valet the vehicles in Cleveland. So you come in, boom, valet guy takes it out.
And they had stole like 5,000 bucks from my car.

Speaker 4 I stole a Rolex out of the out of the glove box. And then, you know, we kind of like, it became public.
And they actually got mad. Like, the Browns got mad at me for that.

Speaker 4 And I'm like, well, I'm not the one who broke into my car. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, like, we got to obviously take care of the players a little bit better, but it was just another sign of a dysfunctional organization. I even look at Jameis now.

Speaker 4 Like, I think Jameis is a genuine guy. I think that the way he plays the game, he reminds me of Sexy Rexy.

Speaker 1 Right? Yeah,

Speaker 6 also RG3.

Speaker 1 Also, RG3. Exactly.

Speaker 4 He's going to keep both teams in the game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 4 Six touchdowns in the last game. It just so happened that two went the other way.
And

Speaker 4 he has become the story there in Cleveland, but it's the sign of a dysfunctional organization. Yeah.

Speaker 4 They're not winning. They're 3-9.

Speaker 4 And the team is excited about a quarterback who is almost 50-50 on touchdowns to interceptions. That's why we love them.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 And it's all because of the dysfunction that they created when they signed Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 6 Yeah. A breath of fresh air.

Speaker 4 Exactly. So when you see Jameis and you see the speeches and the comments in the post-game, like I always wonder, are people laughing more with him? Are they laughing at him?

Speaker 4 I just think they're laughing because it's different than what they've been dealing with the turmoil right of the whole Deshaun Watson debacle yeah and Jameis is getting the feed off of that yeah so I mean I think it's I laugh with everyone else I think it's funny yeah but that's dysfunction it's a sign of dysfunction as a player you don't even know it until you get out of it because we're so used to being the man in high school being the man in college and then you get to the pros and you realize well there's like 16 pro teams that just don't know how to get it done yeah i've always said that there's just there's a dozen 16 whatever you want want to call it, that just, they're not in the business of trying to win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 It doesn't feel like it. They're just trying to, they're basically trying to make money and maybe catch lightning in a bottle where it's like, oh, a draft class was awesome.

Speaker 1 Now we're going to the playoffs. How do we sustain it? We don't care.
Correct. That's, it's the worst.

Speaker 4 And I'm not, I'm not advocating for the Bears to fire Kevin Warren, to

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 1 To fire Ryan Poles, to sell the team George McCasky.

Speaker 4 I'm not doing that. It's just more of have it be clear.

Speaker 4 Let the football guys make the football. Corrections.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 4 Bring the coach in.

Speaker 4 Let him control what he needs to control and stop trying to be the forward-facing,

Speaker 1 I was right.

Speaker 4 Like, imagine if the Bears were, I don't know, 12 and 4 right now.

Speaker 6 Or Big Cat would definitely be saying.

Speaker 1 Well, no, I'm still waiting for that because everyone still says that Caleb Bones is a bust.

Speaker 4 He's not. I don't think he's a bus.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of people that think that.

Speaker 1 They do. And I'm waiting.

Speaker 4 This conversation would be different if the Bears were 12 and 15. Oh, of course.

Speaker 1 Big Cat would be like, hey, remember when you said this, blah, blah, blah. I'd take a victory lap.
Not to take a victory lap. Yeah, but I wouldn't.
Not to

Speaker 1 take the victory.

Speaker 4 And I understand that. So when you make a statement, you have to be ready to back it up.
So I don't ever make a statement and say to myself, man,

Speaker 4 I hope this doesn't work out. I wanted you to be able to have a victory lap against me because I want Caleb Williams to be successful.
And I want the Brears to have a great team.

Speaker 4 But until they make the changes that they need to make, it's going to be this never-ending cycle. And I I don't want to see you guys ruin Caleb Williams.

Speaker 1 I got a question that's different than just the Bears.

Speaker 1 Did Paul Feinbaum get you fired? Wow, that is a heavy one.

Speaker 1 I don't think he actually did.

Speaker 4 I don't think he did.

Speaker 4 I have no proof of that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 What I do know is that when I'm on TV with somebody,

Speaker 4 I just feel like there's a way to tell stories the right way and there's a way to cover the athletes a right way.

Speaker 4 And I didn't feel like at times, times, and I think there was like two instances when I was on First Take with Paul, that

Speaker 4 he was taking care of their stories the right way.

Speaker 4 And like, I wouldn't come to you and be like, we can disagree.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 I'm not going to say big cat's a fraud.

Speaker 1 That's a strong term.

Speaker 4 Right. I'm not going to say that PFT is irrelevant.

Speaker 1 Right. Like, that's...
That's a

Speaker 1 personal. It's personal.
Right.

Speaker 1 Debating and having friendly debate back and forth. Like, that's what sports, that's what makes sports great.
That's what we like to do. You were right.
I was wrong. Like, it's okay.

Speaker 1 I didn't care. Right.

Speaker 1 So, so, how was it, though? I mean, like, when you got fired from ESPN, that sucked. It feels like you're thriving right now.
But when it first happened, were you like, shit, what the hell was that?

Speaker 4 Well, I first have to say I was not fired. Okay, not fired.

Speaker 1 I was laid off. Laid off.
Sorry.

Speaker 1 There is a difference, and I should say.

Speaker 4 And I am getting paid.

Speaker 1 Love that.

Speaker 1 Love that.

Speaker 4 While I'm off. That's awesome.
The first reaction was why?

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 4 So you go through the process of why did this happen? Okay, let me look at performance.

Speaker 4 All right. They are saying it's not performance-based.
They put me on Monday Night Countdown, blessed me with that opportunity.

Speaker 4 I was very thankful to be on the show with Susie Culber, Steve Young, you know, one of the greats. Susie's one of the greats as a host.
We had Booger on the show, Adam Schefter,

Speaker 4 and that was an iconic crew.

Speaker 6 They were pissed off that you beat the bird. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe they showed up the the bird.

Speaker 4 I can give you the story about the bird.

Speaker 4 But for me, it was more of a, they put me on here for a reason. I was a younger guy.
Everyone else on the set was a little older.

Speaker 4 They wanted to hit the younger demographic, just like everyone is trying to do right now when it comes to content creation. And we accomplished that.
The show was a success. Then we changed the show.

Speaker 4 Now it's me, Ryan Clark, Scott Van Pelt, Marcus Spears. And you go on that show and the ratings stay the same.
Right. So then they bring Jason Kelsey in, and it's like, well,

Speaker 4 we should be on this thing together, having a good time, two great personalities. I love Jason.
I think he's a phenomenal dude. I know he's had some run-ins with some stuff here.

Speaker 6 We took his side here recently.

Speaker 1 We took his side in that.

Speaker 4 When I looked at it from that point, it's like, okay, it's not performance-based. They're telling me it's not performance-based.
And what is it about? And I don't know. It sucks.

Speaker 4 But what I can do is I can sit here and I can twiddle my thumbs for three, four months, five months, and try to figure out, well, why did this happen?

Speaker 4 Or I can just go move on and have fun, enjoy the process. We had the podcast out of pocket with RG3, and my wife is a co-host on that.
And we've had some great conversations with people.

Speaker 1 You guys are crushing it. It feels like every other day you're sitting with someone, some big name or whatever stories.

Speaker 4 And it's fun. I mean, you sit down with Deion, Shadow and Shadur, Dana White, sit down with Reggie Bush and talk about him getting his Heisman back.

Speaker 4 We had a chance to sit down and have a conversation with the guy, Mike Norvell, at Florida State. Yeah.
When they're not.

Speaker 4 Doing very good right now.

Speaker 4 I know you guys, you would rather do the interviews with the people who are having a good time. Yeah.
As opposed to people who are going through some things.

Speaker 4 And that was a tough one to navigate, but it's been a fun process for me. And I got some stuff in the works that's going to be coming up here in the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 And I'm blessed to be a part of those opportunities. But you just don't want to sit on your hands and feel sorry for yourself.
Yeah, it'd be good for you.

Speaker 1 I bet you it probably feels good to know that you like, you kind of control your own destiny now.

Speaker 4 Correct. And it's, you know, like legacy media, as far as like the ESPNs, the Foxes, the NBCs, the CBSs,

Speaker 4 and then the new age media, Amazon and Netflix. Like,

Speaker 4 I'm open and excited about all those opportunities, but I wasn't just going to sit at the house and be mad about something.

Speaker 4 It's like they decided to go in a certain direction, and you just find a way to be the best version of yourself that you can be.

Speaker 6 That kind of stinks that they didn't tell you why, though. Yeah.
That would have been nice. Or maybe it wouldn't.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 It would bother me. I think,

Speaker 4 I think it would be nice. I think everyone wants, you want to know.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 When they tell you what it wasn't, you're like, oh, yo, cool.

Speaker 1 Sweet. No, you're great.
Sweet. It was awesome.
And then it's like, but what was it?

Speaker 1 You're a big boy. Just be honest.
What was it?

Speaker 4 Right. And you didn't, I didn't get that answer.
And at this point, like, you know, we're shoot, what, four months past that? Yeah. I'm not asking for the answer anymore.
I don't need it.

Speaker 1 Right. I don't need it anymore.

Speaker 4 It's like, like you said, we're thriving. We're having a good time, being able to connect with the fans in a different way.
That's great.

Speaker 4 And then when we get back to legacy media, like, I'm not going to lie to you, the thing I miss most is calling games. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I miss calling games. Yeah.
Three hours to talk to the fans, have a good time, crack jokes, educate them.

Speaker 4 I miss that, and I look forward to getting back to that, whether it's college football, NFL, or both.

Speaker 6 Some really good things can happen when ESPN lets you go. Yeah, we know from experience.
We know from experience.

Speaker 4 What experience are you guys talking about?

Speaker 6 We had a hitch show at ESPN.

Speaker 1 Was it called Barstool Van Tong? Yes, it was. Yes.

Speaker 1 But I think you came to the same realization that we did in that it sucks, but if people like you and what you're putting out there, you can give it to them by yourself and it's awesome.

Speaker 1 And people will love it. And then guess what? You don't have someone looking over your shoulder being like, oh, don't do that.
Don't do that.

Speaker 4 I'll answer that and I'll get to that eagle. The

Speaker 1 Seahawk story.

Speaker 4 For me, when you do this, there's no like podcasting, it's views, likes, comments. Hey, what do they like? You kind of move in that direction of what you're comfortable doing, right?

Speaker 4 I'm not going to go be an OnlyFans model. That's just not what I want to to do with my life.

Speaker 1 You kind of dabble in it. You duck.
The croissant picture.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 the internet's going to internet because the croissant picture, they took that bad boy and ran with it.

Speaker 6 It's a very good meme.

Speaker 1 It's a solid meme. It is a solid meme.

Speaker 4 I was told today that I'm in the internet Hall of Fame because of that meme.

Speaker 4 But the reception that I got after the news broke and I cracked the joke about Friday and then I posted the basically farewell from ESPN.

Speaker 4 And, you know, I miss my colleagues and the people behind the camera and the teams that I got to work with. The reception from the fans let me know, hey,

Speaker 4 you did it the right way.

Speaker 1 It wasn't like, thank God, that guy's gone.

Speaker 4 And you're like, that makes you feel like you should keep going and keep doing it.

Speaker 6 And if this were the 1980s or the 1990s, if you get let go from ESPN, then you're like, oh, shit, what do I do? What do I do? There's not really a lot of options for you at the point.

Speaker 6 But now it's like, yes, you have literally every option is available. And whatever you want to do, you're going to be good.
So So, yeah, tell me about the birds.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so funny, it was a funny story because when I first got put on Monday Night Countdown, they told me that, hey, you're going to be replacing Randy Moss.

Speaker 4 And I'm like, ah, I don't know if I want to do that, guys. Like, Randy Moss, he's a legend, straight cash homie.

Speaker 4 Randy Moss was actually the person that got me on Monday Night Countdown in the first place.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 4 I was going, I was at ESPN my first year, 2021, and I was going there to read the Heisman finalists. That's it.
Hey, a Heisman finalist has to do it. We need you on the show.

Speaker 1 I read it.

Speaker 4 It's in Buffalo. It's the coldest game I've ever been to in my life, and I didn't have a jacket.
Because in Buffalo, if it says it's, you know, 45 degrees, it's really not 45 degrees. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 4 It more feels like it's 15 degrees. And Randy stopped me in the truck and said, do you want to do Come On Man? No, it wasn't Come On Man.
Do you want to do You Got Mossed?

Speaker 4 So then... The producer's like, yeah, I mean, Randy, if you want them in there, we'll put them in there.
And I'm like, yeah, sure, I'll do You Got Mossed.

Speaker 4 That was my first hit on Monday Night Countdown. Next thing I know, I'm on Monday Night Countdown the next year.
And it was because Randy wanted to move to Sunday Countdown.

Speaker 4 So it wasn't that I was replacing him there. He didn't want to travel anymore.
And now I know we see some of the health things that he's talked about. He's going through.

Speaker 4 I kind of understand why he wanted to make that transition. So when they bring me on, they're trying to find something.

Speaker 4 We need to liven up the show. I get on and it's the Seahawks game.
And I'm like, they're like, hey, what do you think we can do?

Speaker 4 I thought about it for a couple of weeks, and I came back to the producer. And his name was Greg Shapiro.
And I said,

Speaker 4 why don't I just race the Hawk?

Speaker 4 What do you mean, race the Hawk? You can't beat a Hawk in a race. I'm like, I think I could beat him in a race.
So I didn't tell anyone

Speaker 4 on the production side why I thought I could win the race. But then when I ran, I beat the Hawk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you did it.

Speaker 4 And Booger was like rebbing me, saying I didn't win. So then we did it again the following year.
And I blew him out even worse this time because I had football cleats on.

Speaker 6 Did you do your research ahead of time?

Speaker 1 I did my research ahead of time. You're like, what kind of bird is it?

Speaker 6 It's an osprey.

Speaker 4 No, no. It's the fact that the type of hawk that it was, because seahawks don't exist, by the way.

Speaker 1 It's just a hawk. Yep.

Speaker 4 So they can fly up to 120 miles per hour when they're hunting. When they're going down.

Speaker 4 When they're going down into the water and they're hunting, they fly at 120 miles per hour, but they don't fly that fast when they're just gliding.

Speaker 4 So they made me have to take off when the hawk took off because I raced it first before they aired it and blew it out by like 25 yards so i had to run again and they made me take off when he did so he could actually have a chance to to beat me and i beat him the first time and then obviously blew him out the second time but there's there's no

Speaker 4 i always tell people don't be afraid to try new things just do your research yeah i knew he wasn't gonna beat me in that race yeah they didn't and the person at home certainly didn't know it's just rg3 just beat a wild animal and the hook go 120 miles an hour yeah exactly first time it's like this hawk doesn't know it's in a race The second time, the hawk fucking knew.

Speaker 6 The hawk was embarrassed.

Speaker 4 And the handler was so mad because the first year when I beat it, he was like, We're gonna race again and he's gonna be ready.

Speaker 4 And the second year, I said, I'm just gonna throw on some football cleats so I can have a little bit more grip.

Speaker 4 Shing.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's trust on him.

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Speaker 6 I want to talk to you about something that's happened just recently.

Speaker 6 Trevor Lawrence. Yes.
So it's kind of another dysfunctional franchise for the Jaguars. But he got hit when he was sliding.
Yep. Took a shot to the head, pretty nasty, bounced his head off the ground.

Speaker 6 Correct. Pretty bad concussion.
Then they suspended the guy that hit him three games.

Speaker 6 I've been watching a lot of clips of quarterbacks sliding, and I don't think that you're a sliding expert.

Speaker 1 I did not.

Speaker 6 You did not like to slide.

Speaker 4 I didn't know how to slide. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Did they ever do the thing where they bring in like the slip and slide? They brought it up. They have nationals players to.

Speaker 4 There was a rumor that they did that, but that never happened.

Speaker 6 So that's how dysfunctional Washington was. Correct.
Where to address questions about the quarterback sliding, they just planted a rumor in the press.

Speaker 4 And then made it seem like I turned it down.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. That never happened.
That's crazy.

Speaker 6 But in watching all these clips, it dawned on me when a quarterback slides, they're actually putting themselves in a pretty bad position to get a concussion.

Speaker 6 So you can avoid a lot of hits if you slide, obviously, and you can declare yourself down and you won't take those big shots in the open field.

Speaker 6 But when you slide, you're putting your head right at ground level to get bounced off the ground if they contact you at all.

Speaker 6 With Trevor Lawrence, I'm not blaming Trevor Lawrence for this, by the way. He gave himself up in advance, and I think most defenders would have pulled up at that point.

Speaker 6 But it's like a bang-bang play, and you have to make a decision as a defender at the last second whether or not you need to pull up.

Speaker 6 But what are your thoughts on quarterback slides?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it's a lot.

Speaker 4 I will say, in Trevor Lawrence's specific example, I've had two concussions from that same exact thing.

Speaker 4 In Washington, we were playing the Atlanta Falcons, and Sean Witherspoon did the same thing to me.

Speaker 4 I was sliding near the sideline, last second slide, even later than, because I don't think Trevor slid late. I think his was just

Speaker 4 the guy formed in the face. But I did slide late.
Witherspoon hit me, bounced my head off the ground. I was out for the rest of the game.

Speaker 4 In college, I was playing against Texas Tech in Jerry's World, running towards the sideline, slid, boom, got my head, bounced off the ground.

Speaker 4 In college, that probably that situation that Trevor just went through happened to me at least six times. And this is 2011, right?

Speaker 4 Defenders are trying to get as many licks as they can on the quarterback. So when they see you slide, they're going to try to give you something.

Speaker 4 I'm not saying that they're trying to put you out the game, but they're trying to give you something to prevent you from thinking it's sweet, right? They want you to know that it's sour.

Speaker 4 When I hear quarterbacks talk about sliding who were not mobile guys,

Speaker 4 they don't have as many opportunities to be put in those positions.

Speaker 4 Whereas Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence, Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, these guys are being put in these situations 5, 10, 15 times a game.

Speaker 4 So my belief is, yes, sliding is a mechanism to protect the quarterback.

Speaker 4 You don't take sliding out of the game, but I can also understand from a defensive side why they get mad when Patrick Mahomes does a fake slide or when Kenny Pickett had the infamous fake slide in college that I was on the call for.

Speaker 4 That was awesome. I thought it was awesome.
It looked cool. But from a defensive perspective, they're saying, well, I'm not supposed to hit the guy.

Speaker 4 I don't think that there's a perfect solution to it. But I think everyone in their right mind would agree that what Aziz Al-Shahir did was wrong.
Trevor Lawrence did not slide late.

Speaker 4 He clearly went after his head once he went for that slide. That shouldn't happen anymore.
But we do have to, I think we might have to start penalizing quarterbacks for fake slides.

Speaker 1 Oh man, imagine a Chief Scheme getting unsided by Patrick Rahm's fake slides.

Speaker 6 That they don't call.

Speaker 1 Because I'll tell you the technique that Lamar has.

Speaker 4 Lamar doesn't slide.

Speaker 4 Maybe he's sliding twice in his entire career. He just attacks

Speaker 4 the knees of the defender. I heard Rex Ryan talk about attacking their ankles.
If you attack their ankles, they're going to hit you in the face with their knee.

Speaker 4 Lamar, when he runs and he knows he wants to get down to avoid avoid the hit, he goes after their legs because what do they do? They move.

Speaker 4 So now they don't have any power to hit you, and

Speaker 4 they're thinking more about self-preservation than they are about how can I get this lick on the quarterback. But like I said, there's no perfect solution to it.

Speaker 4 But damn, man, we got to be able to see a play and say, yeah, there's no two sides to that. It was wrong.
And I think he got suspended three games because of what happened.

Speaker 1 After the hit. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Not just. Partially.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 The sportsmanship they're talking about. and him he got in like two fights after that and was like cussing out the fans.
That's why he got suspended three games, yeah, not just the hit.

Speaker 6 Mac Jones used to go in with his cleats up and just kicking the dick.

Speaker 1 Remember that? I remember that.

Speaker 6 He kicked like three guys in their pens, yeah.

Speaker 1 He did, he did. Yeah, that's the way to do it.
Smart play, yeah, out there meet hunting.

Speaker 1 All right, so NFL, we're getting into December, winning time. Yep, how many teams can win the Super Bowl? One,

Speaker 1 but how many teams?

Speaker 1 Good answer. Good answer.
How many teams right now do you think are Super Bowl? Like,

Speaker 1 let me phrase it a better way because that was a bad question. How many teams would it not shock you if they won the Super Bowl?

Speaker 4 It would not. I mean, I still think that even though the Chiefs are.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I agree.

Speaker 4 I still think that they're, as long as they've got those, the core four, as I call them, Mahomes, Andy Reed, Travis Kelsey, and Chris Jones,

Speaker 4 they're top of the list. I think the Chiefs, I can see the Chiefs winning it.
I can see the Packers. I can see the Lions.
I could see the Eagles.

Speaker 1 Bills, Ravens?

Speaker 4 I can see the Bills. The Ravens, to me, are a dangerous team because it looks like they're not going to win their division.
But then, if they get in the wild card, I don't think anyone wants to play.

Speaker 4 No, I don't think they want to play the Ravens.

Speaker 1 What about the Steelers?

Speaker 6 I think the Steelers have a chance to win it, too.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I said that in the offseason when they got Russell, and everyone's like, oh, yeah, no possible way. So, again, I was right.

Speaker 4 But for the Steelers, it's more about if Russell plays like he did against the Bengals.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, my God.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 They can go score 44 points. Yeah.

Speaker 4 This is the, it's a cliche answer.

Speaker 4 But any team could i could see washington winning the super bowl i don't know this year you know i could see i could see them winning the super bowl because it's so up in the air right now especially with the lions i know we're going to talk about this you know when we're watching the stream but the lions are so beat up on defense i know they're and they're the best team in the league in my opinion right now but every team at the top is vulnerable the eagles are slow starters the the bills How many times are they going to allow Josh Allen to drop back 17 times and score 35 points?

Speaker 4 Like at some point, he is going to have to be Superman, and that will really test his decision-making. So, all these teams are so vulnerable.
I could see a team like Washington sneaking in.

Speaker 6 Washington on defense, I know we're getting Lattimore, which is a nice little addition, and he's going to be playing against the Saints next week.

Speaker 6 Yeah, been pretty tough at cornerback, but the defense just and the offense and the inconsistency that they've had in the last like four weeks.

Speaker 6 To me, it's all about actually the same thing with Pittsburgh.

Speaker 6 You talked about Russell Wilson, but I feel like the Steelers are that one team that you can tell if they're going to win based on how fast Najee Harris looks on his first carry.

Speaker 6 If he looks good and they're able to establish the run, then everything opens up for him. But there are some games where Najee goes out there and it's like, is this fat Najee that we have this week?

Speaker 6 Like, I'm not saying that he's fat, but I'm saying he's. He's like, he doesn't have to be fat.

Speaker 6 He runs like he's fat sometimes, even though he's not. You get slow Najee, you get fast Najee.
If you get fast, Najee Harris, then I feel like the Steelers, they can beat anybody.

Speaker 4 Now, why is that to me? It's a rhetorical question, but why is that the case for the Steelers? It's because that's exactly how Russell Wilson won his Super Bowl in Seattle. Right.
Yeah. Beast mode.

Speaker 4 Yeah. But the Steelers are playing great defense right now.
They had the Legion of Boom on the other side. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 4 So you're putting Russell in a very familiar situation where now he can drop back and throw those moon balls, and they're not all off-play action. Some of them are drop back.

Speaker 4 Some of them are him scrambling.

Speaker 4 He looks so much younger. He looks five years younger than he did last year in Denver.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he does.

Speaker 4 So to put him in that situation with Anaji Harris and to have that running back group rolling and the offensive line rolling, that's why they're in the position they're all. And let's be honest.

Speaker 4 Mike Tomlin,

Speaker 4 he's definitely in the running for a coach of the year.

Speaker 1 The guy is unbelievable.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and I appreciate you saying that the commanders can do it. I'm not letting myself believe that yet because I'm just thinking our goal is the playoffs.
If we make the playoffs, then

Speaker 4 anything can happen.

Speaker 1 Anything can happen.

Speaker 4 Look at the Ravens in, was it 2013? Was it 2012? When Joe Flacco Flacco was

Speaker 4 his magical run.

Speaker 6 No interceptions.

Speaker 4 Anything can happen. I think it was 13 touchdowns, no picks.
Anything can happen once you get in the dance.

Speaker 4 And I think that the reason I feel that mostly is because of the Chiefs. They look vulnerable right now.
And the other teams that are at the top also look vulnerable. So it could be anybody's game.

Speaker 1 Right. I just

Speaker 6 won't allow myself to compliment. I will try to accept the game.

Speaker 1 We're going to Chargers.

Speaker 1 Team Chargers.

Speaker 1 Chargers?

Speaker 4 Again, they're playing top-five defense.

Speaker 4 Justin Herbert hasn't had to be Superman all year,

Speaker 1 really.

Speaker 4 I think that bodes well for them because he's not going to go into the playoffs banged up. Everyone wants to say, oh, the Chargers can't win any playoffs games.

Speaker 4 Oh, Justin Herbert's all, he's stat and, you know, he's stat padding and doing all this stuff. It's like, no, the man's being Superman for 17 weeks.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And then when he does get to the playoffs, he's tired. He's banged up.
He's got an ankle injury. He's got a rib injury.

Speaker 4 He's got a hairline fracture in his collarbone or something.

Speaker 4 Now he doesn't have that. Now, now they're actually,

Speaker 4 they just won 17 to 13. You know, they're not having to win, putting up 39 points like they were with Brandon Staley.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 So we should talk about the croissant picture. Let's do it.

Speaker 4 In full.

Speaker 1 Let's do it.

Speaker 6 Can you just walk me through it when you posted it? Where you're like, yeah, people are going to love this and not think it's a giant dick in my mouth.

Speaker 1 Because this happened after we had you on in the Super Bowl, right? Yeah. Yeah.
This is true.

Speaker 6 Was that the Olympics? Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. So, yeah.
We haven't seen you since. We're at the Olympics.
Yep.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 We find out in Paris that they have these giant croissants.

Speaker 4 So I'm like, hey, we got to go get one of these things. Actually, TikTok actually worked with us to get us the giant croissants and create content with them at their headquarters in France.

Speaker 4 So that was an incredible experience with me and my wife.

Speaker 4 You know, shout out to TikTok for doing that for us. But then when we got the croissant back at home, I'm like, we have to take a picture eating this croissant.

Speaker 4 So here's,

Speaker 4 you guys have had a situation where your wife kind of, or your lady friend threw you under the bus a little bit.

Speaker 4 I'm not blaming my wife for saying that she threw me under the bus.

Speaker 4 What I'm saying is that when we took the picture, we were both supposed to be eating it.

Speaker 4 And she didn't do that. And then she posted it on Instagram

Speaker 4 with a zoom in. Ah.

Speaker 1 On you.

Speaker 4 On me.

Speaker 1 So she went to full in on that. So she kind of set the motion, set everything in motion.

Speaker 6 I think she's a wonderful woman. I would never say anything bad about her.
I'm going to take her side in this argument. Are you three?

Speaker 1 I appreciate you. What about me?

Speaker 1 I appreciate you saying that, BFT. And she knows it because she did it off purpose.
She took the picture.

Speaker 4 It was the blank picture. And then it was three frames.
And the second one was zoomed in, and the third one was zoomed in even more.

Speaker 4 So then when I posted it on Twitter, I got all the zoomed-in pictures on Instagram that came over. And in like 10 minutes, it was like, yeah, this is going to be a long day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so she didn't go all in on eating the croissant you did but how do you explain you were cupping the croissant's balls i was not yeah you were no i was you were you were caressing the croissant balls when you grab a croissant like if the croissant was a was a double hander on the side you might have been in the croissant's body i'd have been able to grab it like that the croissant was so big yeah i had no choice he's cupping the balls piercing i am not i am not you're giving a lot of support i had no choice but to have the hand underneath because

Speaker 6 You got one hand

Speaker 1 and then one hand underneath.

Speaker 1 I think you might even have a finger in the croissant's ass. I do not.

Speaker 1 I stand 10 toes down that that did not happen.

Speaker 1 This is not what happened and went down. But the croissant was super heavy.
And what I like about you, RG3, because I feel like

Speaker 1 you have fun online and you know that it's supposed to be fun. Because some people would post that picture and be like, oh, shit, I don't want that out there.
It's like, let's have a fucking laugh.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I sucked off a croissant.

Speaker 4 I definitely didn't do that. And that was not the point.

Speaker 1 That was not the purpose of posting the croissant picture.

Speaker 4 But I think to your point, you have to be able to have fun in a way that

Speaker 4 people can relate to. When you see that picture of me eating the croissant, I saw Josh Hart, the guard or forward for the Knicks.

Speaker 4 He said, not in the, he said, Jesus himself could not get me to post this picture.

Speaker 1 But guess what?

Speaker 4 He's engaging with the picture because he understands that it's funny.

Speaker 4 He understands that you have to have a sense of of humor in life. And I think for me,

Speaker 4 the internet took it and went with it. The way I captioned it wasn't like, hey, watch me eat this giant croissant that looks like whatever.
It was enjoying a croissant with my wife.

Speaker 4 The internet will always internet. There's been times that I've said things in games that I never anticipated would go viral and they go viral.

Speaker 4 And then there's times when you're in a game and you know you have a one-liner and you hit it and you're like,

Speaker 4 I knocked that out the park and it's nowhere.

Speaker 4 And you're like, you don't know what people are going to gravitate towards. You don't know what they're going to grab a hold of.
But at the end of the day, you have to be willing to laugh at yourself.

Speaker 4 So there was a time, I'm not going to lie, within that first hour and it was going like ape, you know, ballistic. Yeah.
There was a, there were some people that thought like, hey, maybe we should.

Speaker 4 Maybe we should take the, take it down. And it's like, nah, man, the internet's going to do what the internet's going to do.
I'm not at fault for them taking it and making it whatever.

Speaker 4 It's a croissant. I'm eating, I can't eat pastries now.
Yeah. And you just have fun, you laugh it off and you move on.

Speaker 6 And you realize that there's a separation between the internet and real life, too. Correct.
It's like the internet, they're going to make jokes and we can laugh about the internet making jokes.

Speaker 6 The people that spend more time like inside the internet where that becomes the biggest part of their life, they're the people that are like, I can't have this on there.

Speaker 6 It makes my whole life worse because I spend my whole life online.

Speaker 4 And I don't see it. Like, I think on Instagram, I have a couple of videos where I was explaining because it happened.
I'm like, well, I got to.

Speaker 1 like address this. Yeah.
So that I can. Yeah, when you couple croissants balls, you have to talk about it.

Speaker 4 Definitely didn't do that.

Speaker 6 There's no frosting on it.

Speaker 1 You are committed. You are committed to it.
I'm looking at the picture right now.

Speaker 4 It's me eating a croissant. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So there's a video on Instagram of me explaining it. And like, if you go to the comments, it's like 15,000 pictures.
of the croissant assumed.

Speaker 1 And like, what are you going to do? Are you going to go through and delete every single comment?

Speaker 4 Or are you going to just laugh about it and move on?

Speaker 6 It would be funnier if you like every day put a video online explaining more about how actually that croissant picture is not dirty.

Speaker 6 Just double, triple, quadruple down. It's like, you guys got to stop with this fucking

Speaker 6 perverts.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And honestly, I mean, it's the truth.

Speaker 4 It's like, hey, how you view something is how you view it. If you can't laugh at yourself, man,

Speaker 4 then what are you really doing? You can't

Speaker 4 laugh at yourself or laugh at a moment and move on from it and not be bogged down by it in your own mind, then it doesn't matter. So I don't worry about it.

Speaker 4 It was fun. It went galactical, and you move on.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. I got one last question for you.
This has been awesome, RG3. If people haven't seen, we basically, he's been here all day.
He's going to be on the Pro Football Show.

Speaker 1 When this comes out, it'll be tonight.

Speaker 1 He did Werewolf with us. He's going to watch Thursday Night Football with us.

Speaker 1 Spent a whole day with RG. He did Chef Donnie.
Yes, did Chef Donnie at the same time?

Speaker 4 Cook some beignets. He did a show with Chef Donny.

Speaker 1 Yeah, did Chef Donnie? Oh, did the show with Chef Donnie? Some more French pastries. Yes, we did some of these.
Okay, all right.

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Speaker 1 Heisman is coming up. Yep.
You are a Heisman trophy winner.

Speaker 1 How cool is it when you go there and you get to like,

Speaker 1 how does it work? Because I imagine it's like some back room with a bunch of books and everyone, you know, sits down and won a Heisman, and you guys trade war stories. That's what I want to imagine.

Speaker 1 But is it like being in a room with everyone?

Speaker 4 That happens at the Heisman House. Okay.

Speaker 4 So when we're with Nissan and we go to the Heisman House, we got video games in the back, and you get to sit down with Baker Mayfield and Tim Tebow and Charles Woodson and Desmond

Speaker 4 and Eddie George and all these guys. OJ, was he ever invited?

Speaker 6 Who? OJ?

Speaker 4 No, I don't think so. I don't think he was invited.

Speaker 6 They canceled OJ?

Speaker 4 I don't want to say that.

Speaker 6 Well, there's a story just came out yesterday that his bodyguard says that he has a confession from him.

Speaker 1 I saw that that wasn't true.

Speaker 4 I saw that it wasn't true, though. Okay.
It came out and said that

Speaker 4 the recording was him just talking to himself. Ah, okay.
It was the bodyguard talking to himself.

Speaker 6 So OJ's still innocent.

Speaker 4 Per RG3. I am leaving that all the way alone.

Speaker 1 I never went to the high school.

Speaker 4 But he hasn't been there. I I haven't seen him there.
I don't know if he's ever been there, but I have never seen him there.

Speaker 4 But it's a good time, you know, kicking it with the guys, shooting the funny commercials.

Speaker 4 When you go to the Heisman ceremony, it's more of just, I know some people think that the guys that are on stage, they go there just so they can be seen, and that's not what it is.

Speaker 4 They're there to support the next guy that's coming in. And like the Heisman loses its value if the guys who won it before don't welcome the new guy into the fraternity.

Speaker 4 So it's really cool to go there and see Mike Rosier, right?

Speaker 4 It's really cool to go there and see Archie Griffin, guys that I never got to see play, but they believe so much in the Heisman fraternity that they're willing to come back and welcome the next guy into that.

Speaker 4 That to me is awesome. So,

Speaker 4 you know, ESPN runs the show, and I've been a part of that broadcast for the last three years.

Speaker 4 I'm not going to be a part of the broadcast, but I'm still going to go back because it's important to welcome whether it's Travis Hunter, Aston Genty, Shadir Sanders, Cam Ward, whoever it is that wins the Heisman, it's important to be there to support them.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 I just, it's a cool, you know, it's a trophy that still holds meaning. You know, there's not,

Speaker 1 people don't really remember MVPs very often. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, you know, rookie of the years, like, there's, they're obviously great, but a Heisman, I don't know, there's something special about it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it certainly feels special, and it changes your life forever. It's not just the Heisman house, but it's the way that people look at you and other awards.

Speaker 4 You know, it's not to speak down on the other awards. They just don't remember.

Speaker 4 right I won with all due respect I won the Manning Award when I my last year in college no one says Robert Griffin III the Manning Award winner right right they say RG3 the Heisman trophy winner yeah so there is a certain level of prestige and that goes with all of them it's not just the Manning Award it's whether it's the Maxwell the Balitnikoff all these other ones the Davey O'Brien They have value and you appreciate getting the award and being a part of that fraternity, but there's there's something so much more special about the Heisman.

Speaker 1 It really is.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 1 When did you first realize that? Like, how many years after you won where you're like, oh, shit, yeah, I'm a Heisman trophy winner forever, and they only give out one of these a year.

Speaker 4 Honestly, I'm 34, so it's not like I'm 55. Right.
And

Speaker 4 that first check for the Heisman house, I was like, wait, what?

Speaker 1 Y'all giving out checks like this to come do this commercial?

Speaker 4 Like, that was a moment of like, oh, wow, this is the gift that keeps on giving because we have have guys liking Eddie George who's been removed from the game for 20 years and he's still getting those types of opportunities due to the Heisman and

Speaker 4 I was just at an event doing a speaking engagement and they introduced me as Heisman trophy winner and like

Speaker 4 and you're like man

Speaker 4 you don't understand how much it means to the other people until you hear it when you're so far removed from it.

Speaker 4 I remember the moment I could feel my heart beating through my chest when they said the 2011 Heisman Trophy winner is.

Speaker 4 I still remember that moment, but I don't think I knew it was going to have this type of impact on my life. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I mean, it's a special award. Do you get upset at all when they do the pose and they don't do the pose correctly?

Speaker 6 We were talking about them last year.

Speaker 4 Isn't it funny that everyone who does the pose, it's literally not the Heisman Trophy.

Speaker 1 They do the Charles Woods.

Speaker 6 I think that there's

Speaker 4 Desmond Howard.

Speaker 6 There's a Heisman Trophy. There's Desmond Howard.
Heisman Trophy, and then there's the Heisman pose, and they're different things.

Speaker 4 They're completely different. And honestly, if someone got up and scored a touchdown and did the actual Heisman pose, it wouldn't be as cool.

Speaker 1 No, people are like, what is he doing? What is he doing? Yeah, he got two feet on the ground.

Speaker 4 You got two feet on the ground, and you're like, you're going like this.

Speaker 4 It's not as cool. So I actually appreciate it.

Speaker 4 I think they should give two trophies out. Give the normal Heisman and then a bronze sculpture.

Speaker 4 of the guy doing it because almost every Heisman winner has done it at some point in their Heisman season.

Speaker 4 Because I know I did it at Baylor with my teammates. Yeah, when did you do it?

Speaker 4 It was early in the season.

Speaker 1 Oh, early? Yeah. You called your shot.

Speaker 4 At one point, we had more touchdowns than incompletions

Speaker 4 five games into the year. That's insane.
So it was after one of those early games, and I did it with my offensive lineman. So that was pretty cool.

Speaker 6 What was it like being big man on campus at Waco?

Speaker 4 Waco's not as big of a city. Yeah.
Right. But, you know, we used to have this

Speaker 4 student gym called the Slick. And I used to play basketball there all the time.
So in 2008 through 2010, like 2008 and 2009, we weren't very good. 2010, we got good.
We beat Texas. We were 7-5.

Speaker 4 Everyone's feeling good about themselves because Baylor wasn't winning any games at that point. Then in 2011, we went on a run, we won 10 games, and that was wild.

Speaker 4 Just walking around campus, smaller school,

Speaker 4 Baptist school. You know what I mean? So

Speaker 4 a lot of different

Speaker 4 people on campus, but the majority of the student population that was black were like on the athletic teams. Like it was that type of environment.

Speaker 4 But it was cool to be there to see the impact and see how Baylor changed.

Speaker 4 Because when I got to Baylor, we had to drive 25 minutes across town to go work out because our facility and our stadium was not on campus.

Speaker 4 And then by the time I left, we had an on-campus workout facility. They were building McLean Stadium, which is what they play in now.
Thanks to you. Not just me, but a lot of other people.

Speaker 4 But I got to see the university change. At one point when I was a freshman, man, I'd go to class.
You know, those big auditorium classes where you got 500 kids. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And the teachers would be in the class making fun of us. Like making fun of the football team.
Like cracking jokes. And I'm like, my God.

Speaker 4 Our coach made us walk around with a shirt that said, I play football for Baylor

Speaker 4 because nobody took pride in it.

Speaker 4 But by the time... In 2010, 2011, now I'm going to these big auditorium classes and the teachers are praising us.

Speaker 4 That was a very weird thing to go through. Yeah, that's a cool thing.

Speaker 1 But it was a great transformation to see.

Speaker 6 I'm glad you're saying this, but also, I know what you said. Yeah.
I remember what you said four years ago.

Speaker 6 It also must have felt pretty good to just like walking around Texas being like, Austin didn't want me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mac Brown didn't want me. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, Mac Brown just unfortunately got

Speaker 1 fired. But JMU made him quit early this season.

Speaker 6 You think so? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, he quit.

Speaker 6 No, he literally quit. He quit for like 24 hours.
And then he's like, Psych, I'm back.

Speaker 1 Oh, really?

Speaker 6 Yeah. So JMU broke him.

Speaker 1 I did not know that.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 Mac never talked to me in recruiting. It was his recruiting coordinator.
And they wanted me to be an athlete, which means they'll play you at safety. They'll play you receiver.

Speaker 4 They'll put you wherever they want you to be. I was a fast track and field guy.
So they never gave me an opportunity to play quarterback or even be recruited as a quarterback.

Speaker 4 But after my freshman year at Baylor, Mac met me at the 50-yard line at UT Stadium, and he said, man, we really messed up with you, didn't we? You can come here anytime you want.

Speaker 4 So I look at that sometimes. I'm like, Man, what if we were in the NIL transfer portal

Speaker 4 back in 2008? Would I have transferred to Texas? And the answer is, no, I wouldn't have. But it's nice to think about.
And had they offered me a scholarship to play quarterback,

Speaker 4 I probably would have went there. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 To be quite honest with you, I probably would have.

Speaker 6 It was you and Johnny Menzel. Correct.
And I think Mac Brown was like, these guys could play safety for me.

Speaker 6 And then Andrew Luck, too.

Speaker 4 They missed on Andrew, missed on myself, Johnny. Drew Brees didn't go there.
It's crazy. They missed on Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 6 Wait, you wouldn't have transferred, though? I know it's easy to say right now, but if Texas is like, we're going to give you $6 million a year to play football.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I would go to Baylor and say, give me four.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Give me four if you can.

Speaker 4 And I'm not saying, like, I did not grow up with money. So the likelihood of a team coming to you when you're an 18-year-old and paying you $6 million, you're going to entertain that.

Speaker 4 The way I look at it is I love my university, and I went there for a reason. You know, everything worked out for me the way they worked out because I went to Baylor University.

Speaker 4 So, had I gone to Texas, would the Heisman trophy that we won at Baylor mean as much at Texas? I don't know if it would have. Yeah, probably not.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 So, it's God has a plan of working and making that stuff all work out, and it definitely worked out in my favor.

Speaker 1 Well, RG3, it's been awesome today. Great having you on.
Congratulations on being very right again.

Speaker 4 I got one last thing for you guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 Why do you guys sometimes let guys come on the show and just lie?

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 Good question. Go on.
All right.

Speaker 4 Mike Silver. Okay.
I thought that's where we were going.

Speaker 1 You knew where we were going.

Speaker 1 I did not know where you were going. All right.
So

Speaker 4 Mike Silver came on the show. This was about a month ago, maybe? Yeah.
A couple months ago, maybe a month and a half. Yeah.
And he told you guys this story about the Cleveland game.

Speaker 4 when Kirk threw for like 7,000 yards

Speaker 4 and like five 16 touchdowns and it was a great game.

Speaker 6 It was like right after Hilodi Nada hit you. Right after the knee, you sprained your MCL, so you were out, right? Exactly.

Speaker 4 It was LCL. LCL.

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah, he messed me up.

Speaker 4 Good. And he told you a story about how Dan Snyder walked in the locker room and

Speaker 4 damn near trucked Kirk to get to me and asked me if I was okay. Yeah.
And then he threw something else out there saying that Mike, Shanahan, and my dad were off in the corner of the locker room.

Speaker 4 My dad was yelling at him, saying, you need to run these plays with my son.

Speaker 4 That reminded me, I watched, I did watch it, I saw the clip, I didn't respond because I had a feeling we would come on the show and talk. And it's not you guys's fault, right?

Speaker 4 It's your show, but it's not your fault that he comes on there and he lies about it.

Speaker 4 But I had this conversation with a teammate of mine who was on the team at that time, and they're like, When is a parent ever in the locker room yelling at a coach? Yeah,

Speaker 4 when is a

Speaker 4 you ever see a guy say, hey, he got beat up by seven dudes, and then you go back and you watch the tape, and and he got beat up by one guy. Somebody,

Speaker 1 you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 It's like over-exaggeration of the story, right? So, I remember the story, I know exactly what happened.

Speaker 4 My dad was never in the locker room, my dad was never a problem in the locker room, but when Mike Silver and media members from DC go around telling those stories constantly, the next generation tends to think that those things are true.

Speaker 4 And what bothers me is not myself, like I'm so far past it for me, but from my family. Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 4 That type of stuff does not sit well with me because you could ask Will Compton, you could ask any of my teammates. My dad was never in the building.

Speaker 4 He was never telling anyone what plays they needed to run. He was never micromanaging anything.

Speaker 4 And for a military veteran of 21 years to put his time in and serve this country, for them to constantly go around making those lies because they're trying to paint it in a certain way as to why it didn't.

Speaker 4 didn't work, that bothers me.

Speaker 4 Dan Snyder, the whole story is Dan Snyder walked in the locker room and he did walk to me, but he didn't brush past Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 4 He walked to me and he said, Hey, I heard you worked out in pregame, and they said you'll be ready to go next week. Then he turned around and he congratulated Kirk Cousins on the job that he did.

Speaker 4 And for them to change that story to make it seem like it was something that it wasn't, that's always bothered me. Yeah, that's it.
I hadn't heard that story in years.

Speaker 4 But when he came on the show and he said that, I was like, that's fucking bullshit.

Speaker 1 I had never heard the story, so I wish I had and been able to correct him. Now we'll just say, Mike Silver, you're a liar.
So now he's got to come on back on.

Speaker 4 I would love to be on the show with Mike Silver. All right, we'll do it.

Speaker 1 We'll get it done.

Speaker 4 I would love to come on with Mike Silver because the lies that he tells and whether it's in the book or not, I don't know if it's in the book. If it's in the book, I might sue the shit out of him.

Speaker 4 But the lies that they tell about that stuff, it's defamatory towards my family.

Speaker 1 I will always protect my family. Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 if that didn't happen,

Speaker 1 I would be very upset. That's completely fair.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and I guess I'm not mad at you guys about it. I more so saw it and I was like, you know what? I think I'm going to be at Barstill soon.

Speaker 4 I'm just going to talk to to my guys, Big Cat and PFT, about it. Because going online and talking about it isn't going to do anything.
No, you're right.

Speaker 1 I was smart. Let's just have the conversation.

Speaker 4 No parent has ever been in the locker room screaming at a coach.

Speaker 4 It never happens. It would never happen.
No team would allow that to happen.

Speaker 4 The only time my dad has ever been in the locker room was when I got knocked out of that Atlanta Falcons game because then they bring your family to the locker room to check on you when you're hurt.

Speaker 4 You have a head injury.

Speaker 1 You have a head injury.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So that bothered me.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm happy you were able to say that because

Speaker 1 we obviously didn't know the story. So we're sitting here like, oh, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 And you handled it the right way.

Speaker 1 I mean, listen, sometimes it's better not to fight on the internet. Correct.

Speaker 1 That's what I did when you were taking the not victory lap on me. I literally responded.
I was like,

Speaker 1 RG3, I'll see you in literally four days. We'll talk about it then.
And then I hit mute conversation.

Speaker 1 Because everybody's in the case. Hey, hey, big cat, he took a victory lap.

Speaker 1 It's like, no, I like RG3. I'm not going to let other people try to you know, put a wedge here.

Speaker 4 No, I like you guys.

Speaker 4 I think what you do is phenomenal. The way you connect with your fans is great.
Everything today has been top-notch. I look forward to the stream.
Yes.

Speaker 6 And we'll have to catch a Commanders game together. We were going to go to the Cowboys game.
It was on a Sunday, but if there's a Monday night game in D.C.

Speaker 6 and you have that available, I will be there no matter what. Love it.

Speaker 4 I appreciate that. Last request I have for you guys is, would you guys like to come with me? Or is this Chris on? Run with the Bulls.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 4 Can you do it?

Speaker 1 When? We've talked about this being a punishment. I don't

Speaker 1 talk about this being a punishment. I don't want to.
But I want to.

Speaker 1 I want to. Come on.

Speaker 6 I don't want to, but I feel like I should.

Speaker 1 No, I'm the opposite. I want to.
I don't want to

Speaker 1 have to travel.

Speaker 1 Like, if you could bring the bulls here, I'd fucking run with the bulls every day.

Speaker 1 We might actually have to pull that power. But, like, I don't really want to get on a flight in July and have to go to Spain.

Speaker 6 When is it? It's in Spain.

Speaker 4 It's in July. It's the first two weeks of July.

Speaker 6 That happens to be when we usually take a vacation.

Speaker 1 And Chill Week. Can you find us some bowls that we could do it here?

Speaker 6 What about Chill Week in Spain?

Speaker 1 Chill week.

Speaker 1 Chill week in Spain. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say, I'm going to put me down as a maybe. As a maybe? Yeah.
I'm going to tell you, I think I'm in. Yeah.
I'm in.

Speaker 1 But chill week.

Speaker 6 But we could do chill week in Spain.

Speaker 1 Well, the whole point of chill week is the interviews.

Speaker 1 There are no interviews in Spain? No. Yes, we can get some interviews in Spain.
Messi? Max is shaking his head. He agrees with me.

Speaker 1 We have to do.

Speaker 1 We already have plans. We already have sold shillies.
This is already sold.

Speaker 6 Do we know the date?

Speaker 1 Yeah, what date is it? They do it every year. So I'm out this year.

Speaker 1 I'm out this year. Okay.
But I'm in for a future year. Okay.

Speaker 4 I'm going to hold you to the next one.

Speaker 1 We don't even know if Chris Long and Kill him in your life. The dates might not conflict.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Let's look at them.

Speaker 1 I don't think they conflict. Oh, fuck you, memes.
I mean, it's good man, memes. This is last year's date.
Last year's date was July 10th. That's exactly when we're in Tahoe.
For what?

Speaker 1 Are we on the goal of Tahoe again? Yeah. Oh, okay.
Because, I mean,

Speaker 1 we did it last year. It was the best thing we had.
Was it great? Well, we got like, I don't know, 10 interviews, incredible interviews. You know,

Speaker 1 I was there. I was there.
Face to face. Tahoe was a monster now.

Speaker 4 Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 Top notch. July 7th through 14th.
That's literally chill week.

Speaker 6 That's the Bulls? Yeah. All right.

Speaker 4 We'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 We'll figure it out. I want to do it, man.
I do.

Speaker 1 I've always wanted to do it. I've just never wanted to travel.

Speaker 6 I don't want to do it, but I'm in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm relaxing. I know exactly what you you mean.

Speaker 6 You know what I'm saying? Like, I know exactly what you're saying. Sometimes you have to take stuff that feels so wrong and be like, you know what?

Speaker 1 Yes. I also wouldn't, I wouldn't hate getting roughed up just a little bit by a bull.
Really? Not fully.

Speaker 1 I don't want to get dragged off. I don't want the horns from the bull.
I would like just, not the horns, maybe like the bull head-butts my ass or something.

Speaker 6 Vikette's concerned after all the bad shit he's said about the bulls for the last 10 years. Yeah, they're going to come after me.

Speaker 1 I've always thought it looks like the most exciting thing ever. And also, I'm an idiot, so I'm like, I'd have no problem getting out of the way.

Speaker 4 I think it'd be awesome.

Speaker 1 I might end up killing a bull with my strength.

Speaker 6 Am I allowed to take any mind-altering substances before I run with these bulls?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I should neither confirm nor deny if you have taken any mind-altering substances.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right, so put it on the list. Put it on the list.
It's that and climbing Kilimanjaro with Chris Long. Yeah, we'll do that.
We owe him that. Really? Yeah.
You guys are climbing Kilimanjaro?

Speaker 1 Well, we say yes to a lot of things. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I would like to do this. Okay.
So we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out.
I'm not going to happen. All right.
RG3, thanks so much, man. Appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up. We got Firefest of the week.
Henry? Yeah.

Speaker 1 How are you doing? What's up? I'm not doing great.

Speaker 7 I have about five Fire Fests currently going on all at once.

Speaker 1 Five alarm Fire Fests.

Speaker 7 One of which I'm not even ready to talk. We'll talk about in a couple weeks.

Speaker 7 And then the other one

Speaker 7 I'm just going to brain dump because I don't even really know where to start or finish. And then hopefully we just come to a solution.

Speaker 6 Okay. Inside Hank's head.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Nine darter. Yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Dunking.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 I know I said I was going to do the nine darter. Vanny Woodhead.

Speaker 1 Vanny Woodhead's looking good. By the way, let me stop you before this.

Speaker 1 Vanny looking good. I mean, kind of.
I have talked to Tattoo. That's not even on the list, but that's like a future fire thing.
I have talked to a tattoo artist.

Speaker 1 I think I'm getting my tattoo next week. Well, maybe

Speaker 1 we can collab.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just going to pay off my bet.

Speaker 7 Oh, okay.

Speaker 7 Cool.

Speaker 1 Baseball's dreams also not looking great. Uh-oh.

Speaker 1 The boys are down bad.

Speaker 6 I was going to get a perm two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 The boys are down bad. But I couldn't.
I will be getting a perm.

Speaker 1 We're trying with baseball. We are trying very, very hard.
We want to make it the best video possible. And we've had some hurdles.

Speaker 6 The weather.

Speaker 7 Yeah, with the nine-darter, that's part of it, too, is where I've kind of planned it out because I came to the realization that since Max chose a punishment, that's literally physically impossible.

Speaker 7 Like, if you guys had to do it, none of us would be able to do it. It would take, you know, years, centuries.
Where you could veto.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I just didn't realize how hard it was when I did.

Speaker 1 You run a marathon.

Speaker 7 Well,

Speaker 7 we already went through this process. Whatever.

Speaker 7 So came up with a plan for a stream where basically I live in the office for like three or four days, and there's stipulations every 12 hours. It gets easier and easier.

Speaker 7 So that way, at some point, it can finish. It's not going to be nine consecutive darts, but it's like, you know.

Speaker 7 enough where the punishment is paid off because I've literally stayed at this office for four days.

Speaker 7 But with the dunk training also coming down to the wire,

Speaker 7 I kind of have been in the head of like, I need every, you know, all the time that I can have to

Speaker 7 focus on what?

Speaker 6 Just do the nine darter in January.

Speaker 7 That's what I'm going to do.

Speaker 1 We got nothing going on in January. Do the nine darter in January.
All right. That's great.
Great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Easy.

Speaker 7 And I was going to say, like,

Speaker 7 with the, you know, the four days, there's going to be other stuff that's going on during the streams because it's like, I can't just throw darts the whole time.

Speaker 7 So, like, stuff like getting a tattoo tattoo or like whatever made me. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 I could do that. Um, but yeah, just do the nine-darter in January.
Focus on dunking now, it will all get paid off.

Speaker 1 Uh, it's also something to look forward to in January because there's nothing like you know, obviously, the weekends have playoff football, but during the week, we'll find a time and we'll do it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, at least you're getting a sick car soon.

Speaker 1 All right, I said two weeks ago. Oh, no, I forgot about that.
I have a sick car.

Speaker 6 Okay, now you have a nice car.

Speaker 1 Is it sick? It's pretty sick.

Speaker 6 It's got some damage.

Speaker 1 I drove in it the other day. It's a little tiny.

Speaker 1 I'm being honest. It's a little tiny.
Like, I was parking Hank's car, and

Speaker 1 my car is large. And so I was like, oh, shit, can I fit in this spot? And

Speaker 1 I parallel parked, and I was like, oh, my God, I can put another car in here. Yeah.
It's so tiny. It's so cute.
It's like putting in your little pocket.

Speaker 6 You have a boyfriend car.

Speaker 6 That's a plus.

Speaker 1 It's that guy from the bar. It's a plus right there that he just said your car stinks because you can get into parking spots.
No, no, no. It's so small that I can put it in my pocket.

Speaker 1 Hank, fight back.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, I mean, like, you have kids and shit. I don't.
So I was like, I don't really need large space. I'm also not, you know, I don't have to worry about my personal size

Speaker 1 like you do.

Speaker 1 That's good. Way to go, Max.
Get him, get him. All right, Max just pumped you up.

Speaker 6 Also, Hank's pull in the parking lot has claimed another victim. There was a

Speaker 6 shattered brake light next to the portal.

Speaker 1 Oh, it wasn't you. No, it wasn't.

Speaker 7 It was red because I was like, oh, boy.

Speaker 6 No, it wasn't me. Somebody else because Hank installed that pole directly in the middle of the parking lot where nobody can see it.
He did. And removed the yellow paint, advising people to caution.

Speaker 6 Another car from Barcelon Sports, an anonymous employee, has backed into it. Yeah.
So that's two pelts on the wall for that pole, Hank.

Speaker 4 I hope you're happy.

Speaker 1 Okay, good job.

Speaker 1 Glad we got that figured out.

Speaker 1 Glad we got that figured out. Yeah, me too.
All right. PFT.

Speaker 6 My fire fest of the week is turkey. I didn't go there for hair plugs.
I already got my hair plugs in the United States, but turkey, the bird.

Speaker 6 So I had planned on deep-frying a turkey for the boys for this Thursday's stream. We were going to fry turkey, have a nice post-Thanksgiving feast.
And

Speaker 6 I planned a little bit ahead on this, but I got fucked at every single turn. So on Tuesday, I was like, okay, we got to get a turkey because

Speaker 6 if I get a frozen one, it has to have time to defrost.

Speaker 6 Or I could get a fresh one, and then we could go ahead and get the brine going, put the seasoning and the rubbing on there. So on Tuesday, I ordered a fresh turkey from the store.

Speaker 6 And they said, okay, no problem. It'll be delivered soon.
It got delivered Tuesday around lunchtime. And

Speaker 1 I forget

Speaker 6 if Max brought it in or Paige brought it in, but it was a tiny little bag. And I paid $50 for this turkey.
And I took the bag and looked inside. And they brought me two turkey drumsticks.

Speaker 6 And the price on there was $7.

Speaker 6 And they still charged me $50

Speaker 1 in the app.

Speaker 6 And I was like, what's going on with this? This is not right. So now that's a thing I have to fix, go back and forth with the app, get a refund.
But still, it's okay.

Speaker 6 We got plenty of time to get a turkey. No big deal.
So Paige hit me up and she was like, hey, I can have somebody go get a turkey for you. We've got Jacob, the intern, on it.

Speaker 4 Cool, no problem.

Speaker 6 We'll have the turkey in plenty of time. Jacob goes out, runs to the store, comes back.
We get done recording part of my take, and Jacob's like, great news. I got your turkey for you.

Speaker 6 And I look at the turkey. I'm like, this turkey is cooked.
Oh, it's got nice golden skin on it. Yeah.
A full 12-pound turkey. I think it was like 13, 14 pounds.

Speaker 1 You max made a free throw with it.

Speaker 6 And I think it was $100 for that turkey. That was $120 turkey.
Okay, so now we're at $170 for the turkey. And so I was like, Paige, I can't work with this turkey.

Speaker 6 We can't deep-fry turkey that's already cooked.

Speaker 1 Can't work with this turkey.

Speaker 6 You can't really, though. No, it wouldn't, it wouldn't be good.
No, it would just be way too cooked. Yeah.
So then, Paige is like, don't worry about it. We'll get you a fresh turkey.

Speaker 6 We're calling butcher shops right now. I was like, cool.
Sounds great.

Speaker 6 Max hit me up and he's like, great news. We found a fresh turkey.
We're going to go pick it up. And then he updated me: say, we have acquired the turkey and it is now in the walk-in fridge here.

Speaker 6 It's a fresh turkey. You'll be able to freeze it no problem on Thursday.

Speaker 1 Fry it.

Speaker 1 Fry it. Yes.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no problem on Thursday. So then we get back in the office yesterday and we go to start seizing this turkey.
Myself, Max, Chef Donnie,

Speaker 6 and we take the turkey out of the bag and there has never been a worse smelling thing that I've ever smelled in my entire life. It was a rotted turkey.
They sold a rotted turkey

Speaker 1 $200.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 6 $200 for that fresh turkey. Additional? Yes, additional.

Speaker 1 So now we're at what,

Speaker 1 $370.

Speaker 6 $370 for no turkey.

Speaker 1 But PFT, we're still getting a fried turkey tonight, right?

Speaker 6 No, because the thing was, because the fresh turkey was there, I now waited so long that I lost time to defrost a frozen turkey. Next week?

Speaker 6 If we can find, I don't think there are any turkeys in Chicago.

Speaker 1 They stop selling them.

Speaker 6 They stopped selling. It's like trying to buy a pumpkin after Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like

Speaker 1 the Halloween stores that pop up every year.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the bird deadline has passed. Yeah.
And now we can't have any turkey tonight, which is a bummer. But I could do one next week with a frozen turkey.

Speaker 6 That would be fine because there's plenty of frozen turkeys out there. Yeah.
But yeah, this has been just a nightmare trying to find a turkey this week. Shit.
So $370

Speaker 6 down the drain.

Speaker 7 I got to say, I don't think collectively.

Speaker 1 That's worse than your firefighters.

Speaker 7 I don't think collectively, as an entire unit, we've been this much of a mess ever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're in a bad spot. Also, you can watch everything that PFD just said.
We're all

Speaker 1 coming out. We're all.
Yeah, we're all

Speaker 1 watch all of this debacle go.

Speaker 6 President Pug, who is as wise as he is benevolent, he documented the entire thing with the understanding that we were going to get

Speaker 6 a fried turkey paid off on Thursday, and the boys would have a nice feast before football.

Speaker 6 So he was following around the entire time. So yeah, you can watch that on PM TV.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, we're

Speaker 1 in a bad spot, though.

Speaker 1 I had a real sentence to Hank last week.

Speaker 1 I was like, hey, Hank, I'm seeing a therapist.

Speaker 1 You want him?

Speaker 1 I was like,

Speaker 1 I can recommend you.

Speaker 1 That's where we're at. It's been a long football season.

Speaker 7 What if

Speaker 7 you fry the turkey during the dart stream?

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Okay.
In January? I love it. That's, yeah, that's forever.
What if Jerry tries to get a hole in one during the dart stream?

Speaker 6 I just, I'm, I'm just disappointed because I love fried turkey.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're the best. That's a good idea.
Let's do a fried turkey. That's good news.
Yeah. What? Baseball might be back.
Oh, we're back. Let's go.
We're back. All right.
Just got a text.

Speaker 1 Baseball might be back. Okay, we're working.
We're working.

Speaker 1 All right. My fryer fest is a little different.

Speaker 1 So I've talked about it. My daughter is, I've raised a troll.
She's a troll in my image. She just, she literally does things to me that I like I recognize myself.
I'm like, you're just trolling.

Speaker 1 So they send pictures from her school. And the other day it was like, what do you want for the holidays? And her answer was a baby.

Speaker 1 And I asked her later that night, I was like, what did you mean by a baby, like a doll baby? And she won't give me a straight answer.

Speaker 6 So I think she just wants to have another sibling. She wants a little brother.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. She has a little brother.
She probably wants a little sibling. But she won't.
She likes to smile. I'm like, do you want a real life baby or a doll baby?

Speaker 1 And she just kind of smiles and just looks at me. I'm just like, God damn it.
She won't give me an answer, but that's a bad one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I can't have another baby. When you cannot.

Speaker 6 When a kid asks you for time up. Did you think about it, though? Or are you like, I can't disappoint my daughter?

Speaker 1 We had a conversation. That sounds like you're about to have a daughter.
We had a conversation like three months ago. It's actually the world works in a particular way where we had a conversation.

Speaker 1 We're like,

Speaker 1 what if? And then my kids submitted like the worst night of like dinner and bedtime and bath. And we're like, haha, that's out the window.
You got to get sniffed. I do.
You got to get snipped.

Speaker 1 I got to get snipperino. I'm just scared.
I don't want to.

Speaker 1 What if you end up getting sniffed?

Speaker 6 10 kids. Once you have like...
That would be a fun thing. Once you have

Speaker 6 six kids, I feel like...

Speaker 1 10 kids is not. It would be fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what would be fun about it? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I also don't want...

Speaker 1 I'm scared. I'm scared to get snipped.
I know that's stupid, but I'm still scared.

Speaker 6 No, I'd do it during March Madness.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, March Madness is my fucking fan.
That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 1 No, I need March Madness. I need to be full.
I need to be full of colour. You have to, you're full of colour.

Speaker 6 Your testicles need to be working in March Madness.

Speaker 1 Okay. Good show, boys.

Speaker 6 Memes, do you have a Fire Fest?

Speaker 1 Memes?

Speaker 6 Oh, he took his headphones.

Speaker 1 He took his headphones off. Memes.

Speaker 7 Memes.

Speaker 1 We're doing a podcast right now. You're going to have to put your headphones back on.
He has no headphones on memes.

Speaker 1 I mean, the fact that you were turning mics off during a podcast last on his. His mic is also not on.
He's just saying no. Memes.
No. Memes.
I'm speaking. This is an order.

Speaker 1 The people want to hear this. Come on.
Put on your headphones. Hank.
By the way, shout out our guy.

Speaker 1 Let me find it. Memes, put on your headphones.
He's putting them on.

Speaker 6 They're not fully on. They're close enough, though.

Speaker 1 He can hear it. He can hear.
Memes, I have good news for you.

Speaker 1 Here's a good news. Shout out to our guy,

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Speaker 1 Memes, you're not even top three longest days without getting it right. So Hank had a streak of 988 days.

Speaker 6 That's impossible.

Speaker 1 It's three years.

Speaker 1 88 days. That is so long.
988 days. Max had 691 days.
That doesn't make sense to me there.

Speaker 1 PFT, you had 558 days.

Speaker 1 And then memes, you are at 407 days. I'm after you at 366 days.

Speaker 1 Pug has only gone 109 days is the longest Pug has gone from getting it.

Speaker 1 So, memes.

Speaker 1 Do you have a question for him, PFT?

Speaker 6 Have you ever gotten this?

Speaker 1 I couldn't hear you, but I'm opting out going forward. No, you can't do that.
You cannot do do that. I can't do that.
You can't do that. You are not allowed to opt out.
This is what we do as a show.

Speaker 1 Nope. Memes, memes.
No, then you're opting out of everything.

Speaker 1 Done. Your job? Well, I'm...
Are you quitting? No speaking. No, no, no.
Then you're quitting.

Speaker 1 No, I can still do my job. No, your job is to guess a number here.
That's not my job. Yes, it is.
It's part of your job. It is 100% part of your job.
Imagine if we opted out after a bad loss.

Speaker 1 That's our job. Do you just compare me to you? Well, I mean, you're opting out after one bad loss.
Employees, yeah. One bad loss, and you've opted out.

Speaker 1 Well, I was just like, uh, the commanders got a Hail Mary. I'm not talking about the Bears for us here.

Speaker 1 Well, Big Cat co-host of the number one sports podcast compared to National Sports Project. It's a guy named Memes guessing a lottery balls.
But it's your job. You're part of the team.

Speaker 1 You're part of the number one

Speaker 1 national sports podcast.

Speaker 1 I'm opting out. No, you can't opt out.

Speaker 1 You can't opt out. out.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 Max can pick it. But if you get it,

Speaker 1 then Max got it. Pug, where does that mean? That's what he's going to say.

Speaker 6 Where's the ruling going forward?

Speaker 1 You can just have PFT, then just still make the pick.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so, so, memes, listen to me, okay? I want you to trust me because you did me a solid. You did a great job picking my number for me.

Speaker 6 I just want you to know that I am going to do everything I can to get you this lottery ball, okay? You'll never see a podcaster podcast as hard as I will the rest of the season.

Speaker 6 You'll never see someone push the rest of the team as hard as I will push everybody the rest of the season. You'll never see a team play harder than we will the rest of the season.
God bless.

Speaker 7 It sounds like if you opt out, though, it's just like PHC can pick the right number, but it just doesn't count.

Speaker 1 No, if you're opted out, you're never going to get it. Yeah, I guess.
And these will count as days that you didn't get it.

Speaker 6 I guess that goes to somebody else.

Speaker 7 Opt back in. Say a number.

Speaker 1 It's the show, dude. Come on.
Don't do this. This is going to be bad if you try to opt out.
And you're not opting out of just talking. You can't do that.

Speaker 1 Why not? Because this is a podcast.

Speaker 1 What do you mean, why not?

Speaker 1 Just pick. I'll let you pick the number first.

Speaker 7 Are you opting out of the booth?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, are you opting out of your job? I don't understand this.
No, no, no. Just a lottery ball.
But this is part of your job.

Speaker 1 This is part of your job. No, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is.

Speaker 7 If you opt out of lottery ball, you're opting out of the booth. Is that what you're doing?

Speaker 1 And then you might be opting out of your job. I I don't want you, I don't want to, I love you, memes.
You're part of the team.

Speaker 1 You took one bad loss, and it was a horrific loss because PFT did get it before you, and you've never gotten it, which that sucks because you've never gotten it. Is that true? It's true.

Speaker 1 I looked at the stats. You can ask Hank.
I mean, Hank's been in this situation.

Speaker 7 I went twice as long and handled it like an absolute champ.

Speaker 1 I've never complained once.

Speaker 1 That's a lie. That's an absolute.

Speaker 1 Yeah, complaining is fine. Opting out is not fine.

Speaker 6 Hank is the very definition of grace.

Speaker 1 You can complain. You can bitch.
You can do anything you want. That's totally fine.
People like that shit from us. You can't opt out.

Speaker 1 I guess I'm in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wow.
That's the spirit. All right.
So, what is

Speaker 1 it with conviction? Numbers.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, memes.

Speaker 1 Am I picking my own? Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 6 We need a ruling from Pug. Just to make sure this is all.

Speaker 1 By the way, Pug walked into the studio the other day and Memes just said, what's up, Hollywood?

Speaker 1 Memes picks his own number. Okay, great.
Okay, great, great.

Speaker 1 Memes,

Speaker 1 I'll go two for Ash and Genty. Okay,

Speaker 1 we're going back to back.

Speaker 1 Memes has gone to the dark side and created a he's Travis Hunter Cardio King guy now. Just off that.
All right, it would be a great show if you guys lost the Heisman.

Speaker 1 There we go. There we go.
How are time?

Speaker 1 Did you not bet at two? No. Oh,

Speaker 1 all right.

Speaker 1 I'll go three. I'll go 12.

Speaker 1 Good pick, Hank. 11.

Speaker 1 99, Pug.

Speaker 6 76.

Speaker 1 Wait, what was that, Jack?

Speaker 1 Jack, what was that?

Speaker 1 So years ago. 44.
44. 71 was yours,

Speaker 1 Shane? 21. 21.

Speaker 1 Memes, have you ever gotten this? I have. No.
No, no, no. I've guessed.

Speaker 1 You've never gotten this, dude. I've guessed the number.
No, you've never gotten this. PFT, have you ever guessed the number right?

Speaker 6 The question was: have you ever gotten this?

Speaker 1 We sold merch.

Speaker 1 Own it again. Have you ever gotten this?

Speaker 1 PFT has won it. He's never gotten this.
Have you ever gotten this?

Speaker 1 I got it.

Speaker 1 He got it. No, you got it.
He got it. I got it.

Speaker 6 PFT.

Speaker 1 No, he didn't get it. No, he didn't get it.
PFT needed help getting a turkey. He needed help getting the ball.
Six.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 You've never gotten this. God,

Speaker 1 God help us all if Jack gets this before me.

Speaker 1 That's what all the listeners are. I mean, we need 44 million people.

Speaker 1 No, now we need PFT to pick it on his own. Yeah.
Well, I mean, but

Speaker 1 he's got it. No, I'm saying, but now

Speaker 1 what he said. What? He said, well, he's incapable of doing anything on his own.

Speaker 1 The entire Fire Fest was other people messing up.

Speaker 6 No, I screwed up the delivery.

Speaker 1 You're like, ah, Jacob couldn't do this. Max couldn't do that.
He's going to do that. Yes, he's back in.
I mean, I can't help you. He's uttered back.

Speaker 1 No, no, I'm not blaming Max.

Speaker 6 I'm just saying these are the events that transpired.

Speaker 1 He's opted back in.

Speaker 1 Let's go. This is your Joker arc right now.

Speaker 6 Dude, Memes has always been the Joker.

Speaker 1 I know, but it's now like everyone's seeing it in the light of dead.

Speaker 7 He's in Joker denial. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's truly a...

Speaker 1 He's an angry boy. Agent Chaos.
He's an angry boy. What's up, Yank? And also, you know what I realized the other day? We got too many Italians.
That entire booth is Italians.

Speaker 1 Outside of Jack, every single one of these fucking guys got a vowel on their last name. So they just get in that little box and they just get angry Italians.
It's fucking nuts.

Speaker 6 Mimi's turning to Joe Pesci right now.

Speaker 1 Pug, what?

Speaker 6 Jack is confirmed half Italian.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. All right.
So yeah, it's just a disgusting.

Speaker 6 Damn.

Speaker 1 Just too many Italians in one booth.

Speaker 6 I like that we got him locked up in a cell.

Speaker 1 We should actually put a big Italy flag behind you guys. Just remind us every time

Speaker 1 every time you get mad, we're like, up, Italian. Are you mad? Like a chart, maybe.
Like the zero to 10,

Speaker 1 you know, hurt chart at the hospital. It's just, where are you right now? Are you angry or Italian?

Speaker 1 I'm just Italian. No, memes is angry.
Yeah, memes is angry. And Italian.
Yep. Shades of pervert.
Shades of pervert. All right.
See ya. Love you guys.