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Today is Wednesday, December 4th. And PFT, I think that Jameis Winston is my favorite athlete of all time that I didn't root for on my own team.
He is the best athlete to root for of all time on not your team. What we saw on Monday night.
460 yards? It was historic. Historic.
was historic historic and i mean i mean truly historic not in the we love jamis winston we're going to call everything historic type of way which we will do yeah it was literally historic he had four touchdowns he had three interceptions two pick sixes almost a third if you count every yard that was gained by an nfl football player who received any of his passes doesn't matter what uniform they're wearing yeah he threw for 668 passing yards i love it that is the most of any quarterback in nfl history second is vinnie test of Ernie it's and I think he had quite a quite a bit less than 668 combined passing yards his passing chart was so funny 34 for 58 497 four touchdowns three interceptions James Winston should play every single uh primetime game he should be all-time quarterback it was the full James Winston experience where it would be one drive pick six one drive he's just dicing up a very good broncos defense yeah and it was back really good broncos defense and and afterwards saying i know i'm better than this i'm praying for the lord to deliver me from pick sixes i he's just the best i love it he's the fucking best and i listen the broncos are a good team the broncos uh are going to the playoffs. Bo Nix, not his best night, but he still played well.
He had a great, great throw. That long touchdown pass.
Oh, yeah. That was a bows and rope.
Yeah, to Mims. That was sick.
And Bo Nix is the real deal. But this was the Jameis show.
I feel bad because it was going to be Bo Nix's coming out party. Unfortunately, he had to play against Jameis Winston, who, good and bad, he steals the show.
The Browns went from being borderline unwatchable. I would say unwatchable.
Well, we still watched him. Yeah, but if we could have not watched him, we would have not watched him.
If I could men in black myself and remove those memories, I would do it. To now, they are must-see TV.
And it sucks that they got flexed out of another primetime game because they want to see more primetime Jameis. It would have been the Browns and the Bengals in primetime.
That game, I guarantee you, that game is going to be just a fireworks display. Jameis might break Norm Van Brocklin's record for most yards passing in a game that game.
It's going to be incredible. And I'm getting retro mad where I was already mad that Deshaun Watson played the beginning of this season.
And now I'm retro mad that Andy Dalton played over Jameis Winston last year when we were saying it should be Jameis Winston. Will he make some mistakes? Yes.
But will it be maybe the most exciting brand of football you could ever watch? Also, yes. It's exciting.
It's fun. Everybody, if you want to draw on the casual viewer yeah give us well number one give us uh a simpsons game yeah or two give us james winston i'm kind of excited for the simpsons oh i've i've been excited i'm pumped to see what they do with it like the simpsons that was my entire life yeah yeah so uh the the browns are officially i mean they were already out i think they officially got eliminated.
Also, Jerry Judy with a hell of a game. Yeah.
Oh, incredible. Revenge game.
Jerry Judy. Although it was perfect because it was like he got the revenge and then the lasting image is him having to tackle a Broncos player off another James Winston pick.
The Browns are, sorry, are not officially, officially eliminated, but they're out. They were 3-9.
Even if they won that game, it wouldn't have really changed anything. They are full on spoiler mode.
And the Broncos, that was a win where it's like they are now on a collision course with their Colts game in two weeks is going to basically either be their in or out because that's the two teams like the Colts still have to win the Broncos are what two games up but that head to head will if if the Colts win they have a real chance if they lose it's the Broncos yeah and I I'm I'm a believer I'm a reformed believer he's so good he hurt me enough in Auburn in Oregon I'm a I I love Bo Nix I also love love seeing james and both side by side when they were doing the monday night football graphic where they had them stand in front of the camera and they said okay just you know stand there and maybe twirl the ball yeah and james put on like a full-on improv comedy routine yeah for his he's he's just the best yeah he's a drug james winston is a drug that i want to be addicted to forever yeah and there and there's no downside. Well, the pick sixes, which the Lord is going to help us.
Well, the Lord also said Jeremiah 27, 4, 6, intercept them and give them a message for their masters. There you go.
So we need to get that to Jameis. What other thoughts? Anything else from Monday Night Football? I mean, it was just a very fun game.
The Broncos, it's also nice. The Broncos are one of those teams that I want them to be in big games because it's just something about mile high.

And, like, they are football to me.

I mean, we've talked about it before, but up until the Super Bowl

when they win with Peyton Manning, if you look back 30 years,

the Broncos were consistently just always there,

and they've had a really bad decade.

And now with Bo Nix, they got something, and it was cool to watch a big time game on monday night mile high were you also thinking the same way that this game would be just a little bit better if they weren't wearing those uniforms i like the helmets though i didn't like them i i want to see i like the white thursday white on white bronco that's thursday night yeah um oh max is on the couch by the way uh hank had a meeting. We're just white Bronco.
That's Thursday night. Yeah.

Oh, Max is on the couch, by the way.

Hank had a meeting.

We were just doing the intro.

Hank's on the rest of the show.

Max, any thoughts?

You didn't watch Monday Night Football.

No, I did not watch Monday Night Football. You didn't watch Monday Night Football?

No, you know I don't watch Monday Night Football.

But Jameis, I'm disgusted with you.

That's gross, dude.

I don't know what to tell you.

What did you watch? I caught up on some shows. What shows? I'm reading your mind right now.
They're lady shows. Below Deck.
You watched the lady show. No, I watched Silo.
I watched two episodes of Silo, made a nice chicken chili. Were you following along a little bit? Yes, I followed it along the entire time.
Did you not have FOMO of what is Jameis doing right now?

It's Broncos.

He's a winner.

He's thinking about winning.

He doesn't care about the low. These teams have nothing to do with the Eagles.

And that's basically...

If the Lions were playing, I would be watching.

Well, no, because if the Browns win,

then you could be like, that win against the Browns,

that means a little bit more.

I'm looking at winning the division,

getting the one seed.

You're looking at Thursday Night Football.

Thursday Night Football, I will be dialed.

Dialed. I just wish that you

watched Monday Night Football.

Our friend Joe Buck. I love Joe Buck.

Shout out Troy. He's giving us a little

nod where he said, I'm a big

Indiana guy.

Yep. Listen,

I'm happy that Jameis

entertained the people. I'll tell you that.

So Pug is in Max's seat.

President Pug, did you watch Monday Night Football?

Yes.

That's our president.

Memes, did you watch Monday Night Football?

I did.

Okay.

Your thoughts? Jameis Winston is the next

QB of the New York Jets. Oh!

I didn't see that one coming. Wait, is Rogers

Thank you. I did.
Okay. Your thoughts? James Winston is an XQB of the New York Jets.
Oh, I didn't see that one coming. Wait, is Rodgers? Were you just wishing something on Twitter when you said Rodgers is going to retire at the end of McAfee today? No.
So I'm forced to watch McAfee every Tuesday because my quarterback does an hour-long interview, and he was reminiscing on how the Jets impacted his life. And it seemed like...
Oh, this is... Because they said an announcement was coming, and he was reminiscing, and then it was just a trailer for his new show.
Ah. So you just torture yourself all week.
It doesn't sound like something that you'd say if you were still planning on having more memories of that team. It seemed like the memories were over.
Oh, and what memories they were. Yeah, you said you met some good people inside the building.
Oh, that's always a failure line. Some really great people in the building.
Damn. Damn.
Yeah. So he didn't retire.
Also, Al Shearer got three games after uh the lawrence hit and he also apologized but was it it was kind of weird it was no tap yeah no tapped it uh dark mode which i think is appropriate yeah solemn occasion uh and then tamiko ryan's kind of walked back some of the stuff that he was saying right after the game yeah because he kind of threw him under the bus a little bit and he kind of of defended Al Shaheer. I have been watching, I watched the clip a bunch, and I did some ruminating on it.
Okay. On the slide, the quarterback slide.
It's kind of weird that the way that you give yourself up to protect yourself in the NFL, like the rule that's written in for quarterbacks, also puts you in a position where you're very likely to get concussed. Yeah.
How many times have we seen a quarterback slide? Their head is down near the ground. They get even slightly hit on their head, and it bounces off the ground, and they get a concussion.
Yeah. It feels like it's one of those rules where I understand why they did it because they have to protect the Golden Boys.
Yeah. You have to protect the guys that are bringing the money.
The alternative is they just get hammered. They get hammered.
They learn not to run, or they dive run or they dive head first yeah because i have seen this take throw around like oh the slide is actually making it more dangerous for quarterbacks i feel like that can't be right i know it makes it more dangerous for quarterbacks in the rare occasion where a trevor lawrence hit happens but how many times do we see a slide where nothing happens and guys give up right And they're safe i think um i have no data to back this up i'm just going on vibes okay i feel like the slide you have a higher likelihood of getting a concussion getting crunched and not sliding you have a higher likely much higher likelihood of getting another injury but i agree with that but what I'm saying is the slide i i guess someone has to give us the data but it feels like it feels like you you could do it's it's like the traffic analogy where it's like you could you could have no traffic for a month and then the one day you have traffic you're like god damn it traffic is the worst i can never get out of traffic like we're we're reacting to trevor lawrence but how many slides happen in a week where nothing happens i think it's also like extending the traffic analogy uh you're way way more likely to get into a car crash than you are into a plane accident yeah but if you get into a plane crash you're dead you're dead that's true so it's very safe to slide but dangerous than, yeah. If it goes wrong, you're fucked.
Yeah. I wonder what Tua's thoughts are on this.
He's like, no, let's go head first. Yeah.
I mean, some quarterbacks do that. They dive head first.
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
And they do the little roll. I mean, this also was like, there are sometimes when a slide happens, you're like, that was bang, bang.
This was avoidable. It was kind of, yeah, it was avoidable.
But also, we do forget also we do forget how quickly this of course it was a bad one i mean he had forearm to the head yeah i think it was kind of targeted and i think it's probably worthy of some sort of a suspension but three games is a lot yeah yeah absolutely max what are your thoughts i know you don't watch football but what are your thoughts cdd's kicking in um it's a lot more present when it's right here right here on the couch. I get a good look at him during the show, and I just see him.
He's looking all around the room. He looks dizzy.
Yeah. Yeah, no, I have ADD, and I think it was a dirty hit, and then the fight was bad.
But it's not Eagles, so who the fuck cares? But it's not Eagles. And neither of those teams really affect the Eagles, so that's what I got for this.
Oh, it's not Eagles.

Okay.

Well, we have a great show because we did an hour with Brandon and Liam Blutman joined at the end.

We have Steve Smith Sr.

We're going to talk a lot of college football because it's the best time of year for college football.

Let's kick it to ourselves and let's get into that discussion.

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Brandon Walker is here.

Our college football expert. By the way, at memes, I asked you if you could find me their picks so we could do an update at the end with between Brandon and Tom for Nelly.
Cause that is to decide the true expert apart of my take. And Brandon is very paranoid right now.
He's we got a second mic set up. I wonder why.
And you think that we're not just going to have you on. You think Andy Staples is walking in the door i think andy staples could be behind that door i think tom franelli i think uh chip patterson i think danny cannell i think josh pate it's just you i think ben metz could be on the other side that's definitely not happening it's just you and we're here to talk we're in the office brandon yeah we're likely to we're here to talk ball and uh let's start so we'll do like a mini recap and then we'll look forward i don't feel good about the the standings we had because i i didn't even remember we did that on the couch what last time i was here yeah but i remember getting the teams i think i had oklahoma state so that's probably you guys had to pick a lot of teams like he had like iowa or something uh okay so i threw out the idea on sunday's pod and I know you've probably talked about it, but I think that Ohio State's loss on Saturday was one of the worst losses of all time.
I think it's a top five worst loss in my life that I can think of. Yeah.
But it is time for a recalculation of what we think worst losses can be because they're not dead at all, and they're going to spend the next three weeks hearing how much they suck and hearing their coach should be fired and hearing how embarrassing this is. And it is embarrassing, but shit, they might get up off the mask.
I agree with you that it changes it, that they're not eliminated. But unless they win the national title, Michigan will then say, like if they lose in the college football playoff, Michigan will say, well, it's because Michigan ended their season.
Well, keeping it just a Saturday, you talk about an Ohio State team that was number two, had everything to play for, and not only that, for the last 364 days, you had three years of embarrassment built up, and it was all leading to this when you finally got a chance to play them on an even playing field, you thought, and finally got a take out three years of frustrations and then you just didn't and you let them out tough you on your own home field it was it's the most embarrassing loss i can remember because ryan day is the one coach who couldn't get embarrassed in this spot and he did yeah he is he's the modern day john cooper this is who he is now he's john cooper where john cooper had you know great recruiting classes at ohio state and went two and ten against michigan he can't it it's That's why I is now. He's John Cooper, where John Cooper had great recruiting classes at Ohio State and went 2-10 against Michigan.
He can't. It's why I love this rivalry.
It's why I love rivalry weekend. Ryan Day can't get over the Michigan hump.
There's something about it. He doesn't.
It was similar to when Urban Meyer was getting Ohio to a spot where it's like they would just beat the fuck out of Michigan. They meant more for those guys.
Michigan played their bad football team, and Ohio State played so tense, and Ryan Day choked, and they had an outside advantage throwing the ball, and they didn't throw the ball. Also, I did say in our preview, Will Howard was my main bugaboo about Ohio State, and that proved true, but that was so catastrophic for Ryan Day and Ohio State's program because if they fire Ryan Day, they're basically having to reset for a couple years because you can't fire him before the playoffs are over.
Well, the playoffs are over, the transfer portal's going to be opening up. I'm going to steal a take from Mark Titus who did it on Mostly Sports, but he was right.
Ryan Day came out the other day.

Ryan Day and Chip Kelly, the offensive coordinator,

came out and they seemed determined to win the right way.

They wanted to show they were tougher than Michigan.

They wanted to show, we're soft?

Yeah, we're going to run it right down Michigan's throat.

And that played right into their advantage.

Michigan has the best defensive line.

They have a great defensive line.

And you have advantages everywhere else,

but they kept running first down, second down,

then third down they tried to throw it and everybody's covered up. like they tried to win a certain way and they couldn't do it they never adjusted it was a shocking uh failure of coaching it was a shocking failure of preparation it was a shocking uh lack of nuts and to be honest what your point is correct they went to the mercedes dealership this year and got a safety they went to the mer Mercedes dealership and they got a running back and they went to Dollar General and got a quarterback.
I have no idea why they did that when Miami's going out and getting Cam Ward and everybody else is doing this and they settled for Will Howard. Will Howard's a nice player.
Will Howard should not be the starting quarterback for a $20 million roster at Ohio State in a must win season. Or you can get away with using him if you're going to throw the ball to your skill players that are much better than Michigan's skill players.
So like Michigan, when they changed the tide because Harbaugh was like, we're going to beat you playing man football. We're going to just be tougher.
We're going to shove you around. And it worked for them.
Ohio State still has that advantage of having better skill position players. And now especially, Michigan's not as tough as they were when Harbaugh was there, but when Ohio State tries to play Michigan's game, Michigan's still going to be able to beat them at that shitty brand of football.
But Will Howard also is not a great passer. He's an okay passer.
He's not a 45-14 quarterback. He's not C.J.
Stroud. So it's like they built all the parts around him, and then they gave it to him and it's like dude you if you're going to build this team you need to you need to actually get a passer yeah they gave the keys to a race car to like a to like a a four-wheel driver yeah like an off-road rider like somebody that doesn't belong behind the wheel of something that powerful do you need somebody from georgia to drive that car yeah something like that do you do you do you think they fire ryan day because it actually is i don't either because i i think that firing ryan ryan day at this point is going to be very difficult because you're going to get you're probably going to win your first college playoff game yeah the schedule is so messed up in college football and you lose all your stud players and you have to reset i think they're going to have to wait till they don't make the college football playoff for Ryan Day to get fired.
I mean, signing day, this is coming out tomorrow? Yeah. Signing day is today.
This is high school signing day. This is when everybody gets better for the next four years.
The transfer portal is going to open and close by the time the playoff is over, so they will not have any window. The players won't have any window to leave Ohio State.
It's why Michigan had a down year, because Jim Harbaugh had to wait until after the national championship to leave. Yeah, and they were forced to hire Sharon Moore.
Maybe they were going to do that anyway. And who are you going to hire? The coaching carousel will be done by then.
Right. You'll be lucky to get somebody out of retirement or get somebody late in the game.
It's just the schedule doesn't work. You need a little bit more roadway to fire a guy in this day and age.
And plus, they could still win the fucking national championship. Yeah, they could.
That's what would be so crazy about it so brian the real reason why i had on today's show was all right here we come well i mean we've been we've talked a lot about ohio state and it's probably painful we have a lot of listeners that are buckeyes that are going to be listening to this and they feel down about themselves they need some advice on on how to handle it how to get over it you have lost a lot of rivalry games in your life a ton the egg that's actually not true since 1990 when the when the it went to campuses uh it's tied at 17 so it's uh you've lost 50 50 a lot recently not really so do you have any advice for ohio state students or or fans on you know what what the next you know couple weeks are going to look like how you like to get over i'd like to point something out real quick i don't like to say this a lot brandon's a buckeye too by the way i'm not uh our coach died so there's that's really kind of unprecedented in college football not a lot of coaches die sounds like you're bragging i'm not bragging uh at all but our coach did die so we we've been in an unprecedented situation uh it really doesn't apply to ohio state at all at all and they've lost four in a row we've only lost four out of only lost four out of five. So there's no real comparison there.
Urban Meyer should also be four out of five. He almost died several times.
Yeah. Anytime he almost lost to Maryland, he would die.
Sure. Sure.
But he didn't die. Yeah.
It is so crazy that Urban Meyer was able to, like, Urban Meyer would lose to Purdue. Right.
Urban Meyer would not lose to Michigan. No.
And Ryan Day has it flipped. That is also, not to just really pick on Ryan Day, but it's so crazy that Jim Harbaugh broke his brain to such an extent with the born-on-third thing where he puts so much pressure on himself.
That was not only the worst loss for Ryan Day just because it was Michigan. That was the worst loss in terms of quality of opponent that Ryan Day has ever had.
He never loses to bad teams. And Michigan was a bad team.
They were a bad team. It was bad in every way a loss could be bad.
And if you lose to Purdue in a season as Ohio State, your fan base is mad. They're furious until the next game.
Correct then you put it all back together well the next game for the next game in this rivalry isn't until 365 more days the next game isn't really gonna the next game on your schedule isn't gonna fix this they're gonna be mad for a year yeah yeah they are there's there's not a lot so if you lose to purdue you write that off it's a trap game right overlooked an inferior opponent oh It's not great, but we can get over it. But this is the one opponent that you're supposed to be thinking about all year long.
And you were thinking about him all year long. Yeah, you've been thinking about him for four years.
To their detriment, I believe. I think Ryan Day said it right.
I think Michigan's in his head at this point. Oh, and he is not himself against Michigan.
They are not themselves against Michigan. They try to pose as somebody they're not to beat Michigan, and that's not how you're beat once you do that.
Yeah, he tries to do a fake tough guy. It's like, you're not Jim Harbaugh, you're not Urban Meyer.
That's not who you are. You're John Cooper.
That's not what your program is. Yeah, born on third base got picked off.
Your program is having the best players at every position. Well, the wind.
Play to that strength. The wind.
They didn't account for the wind. Yeah.
They didn't say it was windy. They could have at least.
I'm. I'm not saying that Will Howard's the best quarterback in college football.
Yeah. He's not.
Well, he's not. But they could have at least tried to get the ball to their playmakers.
Well, he threw two really bad picks. He threw one pick.
He set them up at the two-yard line. Yeah.
He did. And he also threw a pick where they should have scored points.
Yeah. And it was a bad pick.
And it's not like Michigan had this overwhelming. They were the same bad team they were all year.
Their quarterback threw for 62 yards. Their quarterback threw the worst pick in the history of football when they were trying to take the lead with seven minutes left.
And that's when I knew Ohio State was done. When Ohio State got that play, that should have been the light switch.
That should have been like, all right, well, we fucked around long enough. Let's go do it.
They go run up the middle for nothing, a little dinky pass that gets dropped, and then a run up the middle for nothing. They have to punt it right back just were not they were not ready to compete and you know who probably wins that game who Kyle McCord oh Kyle McCord wins that game by three times he can pass yeah he can't run like Will Howard yeah but they wanted yeah I know it's crazy yeah and Chip Kelly is is kind of because Ryan Day has been the head coach and has lost so many games, Chip Kelly's game plan and his lack of aggressiveness is killing that team.

Because not only did it happen against Michigan,

but they had a very slow start against Penn State.

They had a very slow start against Indiana.

Nebraska.

Nebraska.

They are not coming out and being aggressive offensively,

and it's killing them.

Yeah, and Kyle McCord, I feel I'm happy for him.

Because Ohio State was 12-1 last year,

and he lost by six points to the national champions. Had the ball for 30 to win the game.
I understand you wanted a mobile quarterback, but, yeah, you have the dudes to beat him on the outside. You've got to get someone to get him the ball.
All right, so any other rivalry weekend? I mean, the Georgia-Georgia Tech. Here's a take.
They have to, have to, have to figure out the overtime rules

because we can't have a playoff game in that way.

No, we can't have a playoff game in that way,

but they don't want to figure out the overtime rules.

They just changed it three or four years ago.

I understand. I'm saying there's different overtime rules in the NFL.

MLB does the guy on second in regular season,

and they take that away.

Georgia Georgia Tech was an incredible game, so much fun to watch. I still don't know what to make of Georgia.
I just know that if we have to watch a two-point conversion to decide a national champion, it's going to suck. It will be absolutely sickening, but that is very, very much on the table.
Just be like playoffs, get the old. Yeah, put them at the 25.
We had that format for years. right one seven overtime games spooked us i have no idea why one game out of out of however many college football games are in a year there's probably a bunch uh i have no idea why one game spurred the change uh but college football will i feel like that's an adjustable rule that if that were to happen easy they can go back and just say you know what for for a do or die game for a game that must have a result we're going to have a result yes i i think that just doing it just say, you know what, for a do-or-die game, for a game that must have a result, we're going to have a result.
Yes. I think that just doing it the regular way in a meaningful game, that would make by far the most sense.
It was so annoying, too, to watch. There's no flow on offense for either team.
You don't have any real drop. It's just like all or nothing on this one play.
It's coin flip. And I'll tell you what I was really struck by with that game um play calling on two-point conversions particularly in these situations yeah have really collapsed they're terrible okay so if you have the ball on the two-yard line in a game yes right in the course of a normal game right what are you likely to do in that scenario run you're likely to run the football yeah for some reason in this overtime like coaches brains get broken correct and they think we have to pass the ball from the two-yard line.
Can you explain that to me at all? That makes no sense. There were 12 two-point conversions in the six overtimes after the first couple, right? There were 12 two-point conversions.
There were two running plays, including the one run that won the game. Yeah.
When Georgia finally said, we're going to run it, we're going to win. Haynes King spent the entirety of that game running the football

and dominating Georgia's defensive line.

He was just running for three, running for four, running for five.

Hit a slant.

When they get to the two-point conversions and they have to have it,

they want him to turn into Joe Montana and become a precision passer.

And I have no idea why Georgia Tech went away from that.

I have no idea why coaches try to outsmart themselves and say,

you know what, I'm going to roll him out, I'm going to give him options, because that's what they're expecting. I think they just ran out of their place.
I think they go into a game and they have... I know.
I know. They have three or four dynamite, too, but it's crazy given the way the overtime works.
You've got to go in there with a lot more than three plays. But Haines King, in regulation, I believe, had 18 carries, something like that.
He was a bully. You get to overtime and he has zero? He had one carry in overtime yeah uh he didn't score but he only one carry sometimes not having options is way better yeah yeah you know what you have to go that way yeah so and then after the game the post game hug between brent key and kirby's crying yeah how long did you clock that i feel like it was a minute hug i didn't clock it it was at first i was like wow

that's nice to see yeah that's that's nice two guys locked in battle and then after about 30 seconds i'm like all right let's wrap it up this is getting a little yeah it's a little a little much too much yeah and it was very close there might have been some neck kissing that's how close it was yeah it was um by the way we got the list so this is the this is the preseason list where we made Brandon and Tom.

Almost.

Well, there's no way there's any good teams left uh brandon and tom picked every uh they each got 12 picks right and if one of their picks wins the national title they are our college football expert for an entire year so i'm missing one one pick from each of them i'm i'm going back'm going back and listening. But I'll just say the ones that are meaningful here.
Tom has Georgia, Oregon, Tennessee, Penn State, and Alabama, which I want to talk about. Brandon has Ohio State, Clemson, Texas, Miami, and Notre Dame.
Ole Miss. Ole Miss.
Coach Kiffin's making a hell of a campaign. We should talk about that.
It looks very even. Brandon.
Sure. We're taping this at 2.30 in the afternoon.
We don't know what the actual standings are going to be, but we can take a guess. They're going to find a way to get Alabama into this tournament.
Yeah, they are, but given the options. So it's basically, as far as I can understand, it's SMU wins the ACC title game.
Right, there's going to be a spot. Alabama will get it, in my opinion.
And I don't think that's the correct pick, but I think that's what they're going to do. If SMU loses, as long as it's not a bloodbath, it will be Clemson and SMU.
Yeah, to put it frankly, there's 11 spots that are just spoken for right now. Yeah.
There's 11 spots, the four in the Big Ten, three in the SEC. You're an ACC champ, you're a Big 12 champ, you're a group of five, you're Notre Dame.
All right? So there's 11 spots. SMU and Clemson play.
If Clemson wins, they steal the spot. Yep.
And SMU, who goes 11-1 the regular season, probably shouldn't get punished. They should take that 12th spot.
I think they will.

I think they will, too.

Now, if Clemson loses, SMU wins.

SMU is inside the 11, and that opens up for Miami at 10-2.

That opens up for Alabama, Ole Miss, South Carolina at 9-3.

I think they would give it to Alabama.

I do, too. And out of the three SEC teams, that is far and away the best options.

That's where we disagree. But also, you should preface this.
You hate the Gamecocks. I hate all SEC teams, not Mississippi State.
Fair. And frankly, I see what you're doing.
Now he's sitting back. I see what you're doing.
Oh, I hate the Gamecocks. You do.
Because that's what every emotional fan base thinks. If you say one thing that isn't sucking their dick, that you hate them.
No, I don't hate them. I'm just saying reality.
Okay. You sound like an emotional fan base.
If they're in the SEC and they're up against Alabama for the spot and Ole Miss for the spot and they lost to both of them. Yeah, no.
It seems like that conversation is over. I think this is a fair point.
I just wanted to preface it so that people knew. It was a good preface.
You hate the Cox. Yeah, it was unbiased journalism.biased journalism you're exactly right i hate out of this group alabama who i live next to my whole life and my mother is a fan and i hate her and oh man she's a saint who i absolutely hate and wish they all their businesses would fail their marriages would get divorced i i hate them you're right south carolina is the one i hate the most okay so brandon we actually agree that uh you can't just disregard what happened on the field and alabama and Ole Miss beat them.
I think it's going to be Alabama because that's just what they're going to do. Who should it be then? I want it to be South Carolina because I think they're playing the best ball.
And in terms of, like, a viewership, I want to see Lenore Snead in the playoffs. Sellers.
Sellers, sorry. What was it? Oh, I was thinking of Snead from Kansas City.
Lenore Sellers in the playoffs. I want to see them.
They've been playing great ball. I don't want to see Alabama again, who failed three times and won to Oklahoma.
I really don't want to see Miami. I know that Cam Ward's exciting, but their defense can't stop anything.
I wouldn't mind seeing Miami because they can score. It'd be a fun game.
But but i just think like you it's a flawed system in the fact that you're gonna if you if you don't put in my if you put in miami that's actually the easiest thing the committee could do because you're like hey they have two losses you can't lose three times i'd totally be fine with that but like you know what don't lose three times but if they do go from the sec teams i want the team that's playing the best ball right now i I think that playing the best ball is a crutch that people are leaning on. That's my personal preference.
When you say they're playing the best ball, all you're really telling me is they played all the teams capable of beating them early rather than late. They did get screwed against LSU.
They made a comeback. And Sellers was hurt.
They scored a late touchdown to beat Missouri with 10 seconds left. Missouri's not that good at all.
They did that. They won on a last-second touchdown against Clemson.
This isn't a team that's just rolling everybody all of a sudden. They've won the last six, including four against ranked teams.
Two of those teams were Missouri, who's not good, and Vanderbilt. Let me ask you a question.
If they keep an undefeated Florida State team out last year because of quarterback issues, shouldn't Sellers being out against LSU? I don't mind that. I don't mind the committee looking at that, but I don't think Sellers being out for a quarter and a half against LSU is the reason they...
Well, it was a three-point game that they got screwed on. ...is the reason they gave up 36 points to an LSU offense that couldn't score 36 against anybody else.
There was also some bad calls. I think quarterback thing is like...
I don't doubt you. If they want a reason to keep you out and you have an impact player that's not going to play, they will use that as a reason, but they're not going to give you a benefit.

I know, which is bullshit.

Your quarterback was out for a game.

And I hear people saying that, you know, like Florida State last year, they want to use that precedent.

That was a four-team playoff.

That was a once-in-a-lifetime thing.

This is a 12-team playoff.

This team has lost three times.

It's not like you're nitpicking to say one thing about them when they lost three times like that.

One thing you did beat Tom Fernelli on was in the argument of whether or not the 12-team playoff is better. It's way better.
It's so good. All these conversations we're having right now, we would not be having these at all.
So many games in November matter. Matters.
So many games in November matter. Miami-Syracuse was a big fucking game.
This ACC championship game coming up, I think we will care more about this ACC championship than we've ever cared about the ACC championship. The Big 12 championship, the Mountain West championship, all these games that are winning get in.
Those are playoff games. Yeah, they're playoff games.
It's so great. So I think the South Carolina thing, I don't think they'll put South Carolina in.
I understand the reasoning. I'm just saying personal preference.
I would love to see them because I think that they – You just don't want to see Alabama again. Yeah, that's part of it.
That's part of it. That's fine.
But Alabama beat Georgia. Yeah.
Alabama beat South Carolina. Alabama lost to a really bad Oklahoma team.
That's true. They did.
And they got killed. And they lost to a mediocre Vanderbilt.
Yeah. And South Carolina beat them both.
But they also – South Carolina lost to LSU. Alabama killed them.
Yeah, you're right. And South Carolina did get worked by

Ole Miss. Yeah, we're talking about South

Carolina and Alabama. South Carolina

can't pass Ole Miss. Ole Miss beat them 27-3

at their place. PFT was right when he said

it last week, like, just don't ever let a

three-team loss team in.

Just put Miami in. I don't like seeing the number

three. If you're giving an at-large bid to

a team with three losses,

the problem with it this year is that you don't have that many teams to choose from. It's not just this year.
If you look back over the last 20, 30, if you're talking, all right, we're going to do a 12-team playoff, and you retroactively take that 12-team playoff back 30 years, there's three lost teams inside the top 12 every year. All the time, there's a three-loss team inside the top 12.
So that's just going to happen. When you say it's a flawed system, you're right.
Any system we choose is going to be flawed. But we also are talking on Sunday they'll have a selection, right? We know 11 of the spots right now.
Yeah. That's pretty good.
Yeah, no, I've been a long proponent of the way to fix all of this is you need to actually embrace college football being an NFL model where you have divisions in each conference and it's the division winners go. And they play out of their own conference and then you get to the playoffs.
So it's like you decided on the field. Yeah.
We're like Alabama and Ole Miss are in the same – say they're in the same division. They want LSU, Alabama, Ole Miss, Mississippi State.
Sorry, that's a bad division for you. Alabama and Ole Miss will be playing this weekend to see who comes out of the SEC South or whatever.
The real problem is we don't have a set tiebreaker system. Yeah.
So in the NFL, you got the divisions, yeah. But every winner of each division, they get in.
Every conference champion gets in. But we have no tiebreaker system that's on a national scale for the at-large bids.
Under this system, the super conferences are probably a mistake.

The super conferences this year have allowed teams, certain teams,

I'm just saying, I'm going to say it, Indiana,

they've allowed certain –

Ah.

Let me say what I'm going to say.

We're an undaunted podcast.

You sound a little daunted right now.

You sound super daunted.

You guys are too on the internet.

No.

We're too on the internet?

A team that goes 11-1 in the Big Ten should be in the playoffs.

Absolutely they should.

I'm going to go. right now.
You sound super daunted. You guys are two on the internet.
No. We're two on the internet? A team that goes 11-1 in the Big Ten should be in the playoffs.
Absolutely they should. Everyone's more on the internet.
You block half the internet. I would like you to be undaunted.
Would you allow me to do the point? Would you like to be undaunted? Would you like me to do the point? Would you like to be undaunted? An 11-1 Big Ten team deserves to be in 100% of the time. Indiana deserves to be in.
However, these big conferences allow schedule disparity that we didn't have before.

And the schedule disparity allows Ohio State

to play every other team in the top five of the Big Ten

and Indiana to play none of them.

Yeah, I mean, listen, part of my undauntedness,

if I'm being totally transparent here,

is I have looked ahead in 2026 is the year

that I will have to be undaunted for the Wisconsin Badgers because if we can put our shit back together, we can be like a 10-1 and never played any one team. I'll use another team.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't get to say that about Indiana because if you want to talk strength of schedule for Indiana, though, I believe that their strength of schedule is now better than Notre Dame.
Fine. And Notre Dame has a way worse loss.
I'm going to use another team. Schedule disparity has been caused by big conferences and all the contenders in conference not playing each other.
Texas is another great example. There are six nine-win teams in the SEC.
Texas played one of them. That team beat them by 15 points.
But Texas is in this playoff, no doubt, because Texas and Georgia didn't play the same schedule. They didn't even play anywhere near the same schedule.
So what I'm saying is the system is good. I like the 12-team playoff, but the fact that you've got these 16 and 18-team conferences allows these pockets of bad schedules to affect this.
That's why they need to do the divisions. And it's not Indiana's fault.
It's not Texas' fault. They played the schedule, put it in front of them, but we need to make sure schedule disparity is addressed at some point.
What are you looking at, Max? It looks like Indiana. Where's Indiana on this list? Indiana was 65.
What's the list? Oh, there's 65. I thought they were in the 50s.
Notre Dame was 57. Okay, so they're close.
You also can't, we should say, you can't predict year to year because Indiana did play the reigning national champions and the team that went to the national championship last year. You can't predict that.
Again, not Indiana's fault, but it is a consequence of the big conference of teams playing unbalanced schedules within these conferences. I feel like you can't even predict what the schedules are going to be.
You know what I mean? You just can't.

Yeah, teams will be down.

I think your point is valid.

It's not fair to have certain teams have to play a gauntlet

and then other teams only dip their toes in it.

But you guys did what a lot of people on the internet are doing.

If I use Indiana, for example, because they're Cinderella,

if I use them for an example, people freak out.

Oh, my God.

Daunted, all this stuff.

If I use Texas for an example, they're like, oh, okay. Well, you do sound daunted.
It's the same as I've been saying it. The three loss teams in the SEC, Alabama, Ole Miss, and South Carolina.
You know who also has three losses at a big conference? Illinois. Syracuse.
Syracuse, Illinois. Illinois shouldn't have lost to Minnesota, but Alabama shouldn't have lost to Oklahoma.
That's why I don't have any sympathy for three-loss SEC teams. When Indiana had one loss and there were some two-loss SEC teams, I was like, well, let's take a look at the schedules.
But Alabama and Ole Miss particularly gave up any advantage they have with strength of schedule when they chose to lose to Kentucky, when they lost to Oklahoma, when they lost to Vanderbilt. You give up any schedule talk when you lose to bad teams on your schedule yeah great so you sound moderately daunted but that's fine yeah you're you're like I'm the only person in this world I think you wake up undaunted and then it slowly like wipes off where the end of the day you go to bed you're daunted so there's a I'm forever going through a daunting throughout my day yeah right you as the day goes on it wears on you and you just become daunted by the end of the night right now i'm kind of daunted yeah oh you're very daunted if we were to talk at like 9 p.m the most daunted yeah i'm the opposite i wake up in the morning a little bit daunted like a hangover but then as the day goes on yeah the world gets better you shed your daunting i shed my daunting yeah so i want i want to give you the opportunity have you ever been daunted big cat i'm always undaunted actually no i no, I was a little daunted.
I was a little daunted in the fourth quarter of Ohio State, Indiana, and then the SEC shit the bed, and that became undaunted. Yeah.
So, Brandon, I want to give you the opportunity to talk a little bit more about Ole Miss because Lane Kiffin is making a very powerful argument online. He's taken upon himself to just kind of do all the marketing.
He's embarrassing himself, as he has most of the season. We like Lane Kiffin on this podcast.
I don't give a shit. Okay, I'm just letting you know that we like him.
You can like whoever you want. Okay.
Sounds like you guys are daunted. Why do you think he's embarrassing himself? Because Lane Kiffin had a roster worthy of going to the playoff.
Lane Kiffin had a roster. He built a roster worthy of winning a national championship.
He has probably the best defensive line in the country. He has one of the five best quarterbacks in the country.
He has one of the five best receiving rooms in the country. He had everything lined up, and he beat Georgia, and he beat South Carolina 27-3.
This is a team that can compete with anybody in the country, and he figured out a way to lose to Kentucky, to lose to a bad LSU team, to lose to Florida on the road last week and the entire time he has been he whined this year about oh we they the SEC didn't give us any night games uh our fan base deserves better oh a couple of weeks ago he's like it would be a big disadvantage if we went to the SEC championship game a lot of coaches I've talked to don't want to go to it because if they lose, they might be out. Lane Kiffin, as the Ole Miss coach, should be saying, we want to go to the SEC championship game.
We haven't won the SEC in 60 years. We'd love to go and win and get to the playoff and do all this.
And now he's doing this whining about schedule, and he's whining about strength of schedule, and he's doing all this while all he had to do was beat Kentucky, a 4-8 team who won one SEC game at Ole Miss. He is grandstanding.
He is out there preaching. He's out there doing it.
And the one thing he didn't do was coach his football team, which was a winner. All right.
So a lot of things you said are correct. I didn't say anything incorrect.
Well, no. I'll just say this.
Nick Saban did this every year. But Nick Saban did it when he went 11-1.
I understand. He didn't do it when he went 9-3.
But I'm fine with coaches advocating for their case. I would want them to do that.
I agree with you, like, don't lose to Kentucky. But I would rather my coach try to fight it than just lay down and be like, yeah, we shouldn't have lost to Kentucky.
You've got to fight. You've got to fight for your guys.
But you know when you could have fought? Yeah. When Mark Stoops was beating your ass at your own place.
That's a fact. That's a fact.
Brandon, I want to say, okay, a couple things here about the college football playoff. One, I think one of the dumbest narratives going right now is that it is bad to go to your championship game because.
I hate it, man. Like, do people understand what a buy is? Yeah.
A buy is very important in a fucking playoff system. Rest.
That's rest. And also, you don't have to win a playoff game.
Yeah. I know that Notre Dame, getting the five spot is actually probably advantageous.
I understand that. But I still would rather have a buy.
You have a buy. And for some of these teams, in certain situations, you could be avoiding a road playoff game like there's so many things a buy is the perfect thing at this time of the year you have somebody go out the week before and they wear themselves out a buy would be incredible these coaches should be saying sec championship game big 12 championship game we if we make it we're going to go win they got to be saying that saying that it's loser talk is what they're doing it is is.
It's loser talk. But are those teams getting a bye this week? Like Notre Dame is getting a bye this week.
But it's not in the playoff. But what he's saying is like getting a bye for rest.
For rest. But they're getting that this week.
A bye in the playoff. Penn State, who is currently ranked higher than Notre Dame, could play themselves out of that five seed.
Just because they lose to the number one team in the country. I don't think that they're going to ding teams like Texas, Georgia.
If Penn State loses to Oregon, Notre Dame will 1,000% take that five. Well, Notre Dame is always the tricky one because they will always help Notre Dame.
But I still would rather play for a bye because it's a bye in the playoff. That's the thing.
You don't have to play. Playing a playoff game is going to be intense.
It's going to matter. A winner, a one-game playoff game, you could have a bad game.
It's going to matter if your bye is the week before as opposed to two weeks before, three weeks before. That's a big deal, too.
If you sit out the championship game, okay, that's a little bit different than sitting at a playoff yeah but y'all are going too deep a head a sitting head coach speaking into a mic and saying we do not want to go to our conference championship game something bad might happen is bitch me and that is i like that you said that with your chest it is absolutely bitch me it's bitch made uh notre dame could they win it all no i don. I agree.
But they can beat people who can win it all. Yes.
I think their defense is elite. Their run game is elite.
Their run game is incredible. Jeremiah Love is awesome.
It's similar to kind of Ohio State where it's like, do I trust Riley Leonard in a big moment? Probably not. For me is no.
I don't trust Riley Leonard in a big moment. I don't really trust Marcus Freeman in a big moment.
I think they are built to beat an Oregon, to beat an Ohio State, to maybe beat a Texas. I don't think they can beat three of those in a row, or maybe two out of three.
I don't think they're going to be able to put together enough of a passing game. I don't think they'll be able to put together enough of even a consistent run game.
I think they can beat, like if they met Ohio State in the second round, I don't know how the seeds are going to line up, but they could beat them like 14-10 and then beat the next week 17-6 or something like that. I don't think they have enough consistent offense to win three games in a row.
So at their best, each team at their best, whose best is better than everyone else's? I think Ohio State's best is still the best in the country, followed by Oregon.

Even with their offensive line banged up?

He asked at their best.

Oh, quarterback.

No, but at their best right now.

Yeah, with the left tackle and the center out for the year.

Yeah, I'm not saying like if you can imagine putting their offensive line back in.

It's Oregon or Ohio State.

So who can win the whole thing?

Because I've been –

Oregon can win it.

Ohio State can win it.

Texas can win it.

Georgia can win it.

I don't know.

I guess Texas – I mean, I don't know if Texas A&M was good or not.

I'll see the first time. Big time embarrassed.
Yeah. And I think Sark – Sark as a coach is – I trust him schematically enough to not have that happen again.

Yeah.

And even more – I'm not even worried about the players.

I'm just saying this coach, I believe, will come out here

with something to really prove.

Yeah.

And it's – yeah.

I just want to say I wanted to revisit a conversation

we had a while ago, Brandon.

That's not fair.

Or it might be fair.

Yeah, it's fair.

Okay. It happened – I have the exact date that it happened.
Oh, boy. It was September 24th.
Okay. Year of our Lord, 2024.
I said to you, I like Travis Hunter to win the Heisman Trophy. And you said, I would not make that bet.
That is true. I did say that.
You did say that. And he tried to talk me out of it.
Big Cat talked me into it into it yeah i made the bet in august you daunted me a little bit stop in that moment saying okay no i'm admitting self-admitting i got a little bit daunted after that conversation because i i was saying with my chest i was all in on travis hunter thank god big cat brought me back yes thank god uh august you said i placed a bit in august You said he wouldn't have the stats. Correct.

Well, as a cornerback, Brandon, you're a smart guy.

You know that stats aren't everything for a good cornerback.

Well, let me tell you something.

You're a cornerback.

I don't know what he's saying.

No, as a quarterback, they don't.

He said as a cornerback, Brandon.

Cornerback.

The stats don't tell the story.

They don't give out a lot of speeding tickets. That's also not what I said.

They don't give out a lot of speeding tickets in Amish country. That's not what I said.
But that doesn't mean the roads are unsafe. That's not what I said.
What did I say? Well, you said he's not going to have the stats because of something. You said he's not going to have the stats because there will be a quarterback that separates himself.
What I said was if Travis Hunter plays every snap of every game like he is doing for 12 games he will probably win the heisman i said that is virtually impossible i just cannot see somebody with his usage rate surviving 12 surviving 12 games whoa what but it's virtually impossible but then he did it so he sounds like he should be the husband yeah what are you doing you don't have to continue he's going to. You don't have to continue.
Are you going to vote for him if you had a vote? I don't have a vote. If you had a vote.
I'm not. Under your head if you had a vote.
No, I wouldn't. Wow.
I'd vote for Ashton Gentry. You're a piece of shit.
But would you have voted for Melvin Gordon in 2014? No, I would have voted for Dak Prescott. You are bullshit.
This is why you don't have a Heisman vote. No, it's not.
You just talked your way out of it. Anyway, what I am saying is I didn't think Travis Hunter's usage rate, or I thought his usage rate would cost him a game or two along the way like it did last year.
It cost him one game this year. It cost him half a game.
Half a game. It cost him half a game, and I thought that would happen more often, and I thought his usage rate would slide him down, and he wouldn't be able to do it.
He did it. He played every game and therefore he is going to win the Heisman.
But you still wouldn't give it to him. And even though you said something is impossible and then he did the impossible.
I said virtually impossible. And he did it.
He's going to do it. Travis Hunter is going to win the 2024 Heisman Trophy.
You guys can stop politicking. You don't have to keep doing it.
We never stop politicking. You don't have to.
He could be holding it and I'll be politicking. Anyway, I personally would vote for Ashton Gentry.
I think he has had a remarkable year. I think Boise State, what he did against Oregon and his one shot against a great team.
No. You don't have to shit on Ashton Gentry just because you're a Heisman best.
No, it's gotten ugly. It's gotten ugly.
No, it's gotten ugly. I don't – Ashton Jettie's been incredible.
I clicked on one anti-Travis Hunter tweet, and I got in the algorithm. It's gotten ugly.
They're calling him the cardio award winner. Yeah.
Like shit like that. He is winning because of snaps.
He also has a lot of touchdowns. He has 15 total touchdowns, interceptions, and catching.
They're also, starting about November, Deion and the coaching staff, he's winning the Heisman. Yeah.
Which I love. He started to get every touchdown.
Who would you have voted for last year? Buddy, I don't even know who won the damn Heisman last year. Jaden Daniels, Michael Penix.
No, no, no, no, no, no. You remember last year, I was pushing the Jaden Daniels thing early.
Okay, guns are down. I was the first one on Jaden Daniels for Heisman.
Guns are down. Guns are down.
Yeah, there was a caller into Andy Staple's show that said that Travis Hunter is just good at stamina. Yeah, that's where it got ugly.
I didn't get ugly until they got ugly. You go low, I go lower.
I love that take, by the way. For the record, if you're going to be a hater, that's a great line.
But even if that is the take, he's also the greatest in history. Yes.
And Ashen Gentry's been incredible. I mean, yes.
He's very fun to watch. If you don't watch Ashton Gentry and you're just like, oh, he's just doing it against Mountain West teams.
No. Guys cannot bring him down.
I think in some years we give the Heisman away even though there's not really a Heisman caliber guy. And this year I think there's two Heisman caliber guys.
I think Travis Hunter is going to win it, but Gentry could have won it. And in the other year or maybe in the other era, because it's just hard for a running back to win it.
How many touchdowns does Gentry get on Saturday or Friday? Are we officially worried? I don't think it's possible. If he gets eight touchdowns, he wouldn't be worried.
If he runs for 621 yards and eight touchdowns, you're in trouble. All right.
So we should be worried about that. You're in trouble.
I'm going to bet the under on both. No, I shouldn shouldn't because that i should bet the over on both that'd be a hell of a hit just probably

even better no hedge no hedge we're not hedging yeah we're not hedging on this podcast congratulations

guys no stop it no no no you won your bet no no you you just said you wanted stop right now

because you're you're trying to jinx us and the guns will stay out all right fine i would vote

ashen jenty most people are going to vote travis hunter okay this is why you don't have a vote

Thank you. Because you're trying to jinx us.
And the guns will stay out. Alright, fine.
I would vote Ashton Jenty. Most people are going to vote Travis Hunter.
Okay, that's why you don't have a vote. That's not why I don't have a vote.
No, it's definitely why you don't have a vote. They have 870 people who vote on this award.
I have no idea. Do you think one day you will have a vote? No, I don't want votes for these things.
We should try to get one. They tried to give me votes for the Blitnikoff and something else.
I just don't want it. Wait, they tried to give you one? You said no? Yeah.
How could you do that to the sport that you love so much? Liam Blutman, who has votes for the Blitnikoff and something else. I just don't want it.
Wait, they tried to give you one? You said no? Yeah. How could you do that to the sport that you love so much? Liam Blutman,

who has votes for the Blitnikoff and something else.

Does he have a Heisman vote? He doesn't have a Heisman vote.

Wait a minute. Liam Blutman has votes?

Oh, yeah. No Context College Football

is big. Yeah.
Liam Blutman has

votes for multiple things. I just think that he watches

the most ball. If you call yourself a college

football expert, you say that you love the

sport, wouldn't you want your voice

as somebody who pays attention and knows what he's

talking about? Because these awards are mostly bullshit. Like Travis Hunter, for example, is a finalist for the Bulls.
See, he's getting dirty. Can you guys listen? Why don't you let people talk? We actually do, just not you.
Travis Hunter is a finalist for the Blitnikoff, which is for the best receiver, but he is not a finalist for the thorpe award the best defense he should have been he's a better defensive back than he is receiver even though he's been great at receiver there's better receivers than he than he is yeah but there's not i don't think there's three better defensive backs than he is agreed was that a problem no i'm fine i think he's calmed down he should win both i've calmed down and the heisman. I've calmed down.
Why? How come when they do the Heisman pose, they don't actually do the pose? They don't. I don't.
I think Desmond Howard broke it. He did.
Yeah. In 1991 when he did it, he hiked the leg up too high and I think he broke it.
It's Berenstain Bears. It's like, yeah, the statue, both feet are on the ground.
They're not doing the Heisman. They're doing the Howard.
Yeah. Right.
And Howard broke it. Howard did break it.
But the Howard, I mean. It's cool.
If you were to do the actual heisman pose and just do this that but when you hike that leg up yeah after you score a touchdown you're amped up and then you just put both feet calmly on the ground yeah that that doesn't do it doesn't are you pro or anti state uh putting a flag into the middle of the field i am uh anti the furor about it this has been happening for decades and years and post rivalry if you want rivalries to matter and be great well this is what comes with it uh there are skirmishes there are fracases and that's just reality there's fracases they're not real fights and and and and again i don't like the the phrase uh if you don't want them to plant the flag uh beat them. Well, they fucking tried to beat them.
But just whatever.

Here's my problem with anyone who's getting on a white horse, no ivory tower, and being like, can't do this, don't do this, white knighting. Yeah, white knighting.
There it is. Can't do this, don't do this.
I've had some family do that. The problem with it is, guess what? next year before before Rivalry Week, every single Fox, NBC, ESPN, CBS, you don't think they're going to play video of all those moments to get people to watch? You don't think the Michigan-Ohio State pepper spray is going to get played? So spare me.
Spare me, Gus Johnson. What's the step? Do they ban flags? No more flags? No, I want all of it.
I love love it I think that's exactly what rivalry week should mean I know it's it's the that is one of those things that if you take that out of this sport it's the NFL and like these are the like it's already becoming the NFL paying the players which I'm all for and my idea for the division which I think will eventually happen keep college football college football, college football, keep this anger and this real bitter rivalry. It's not going to happen if the Chiefs play the Ravens in the AFC Championship game.
No, it's the tip of the sword to college football, right? If you want the passion, if you want the fight, if you want all this, then it comes with this. It comes with this.
And this isn't that big of a deal. The pepper spray the other day was crazy it's just a bunch of players up in each other's face yelling at each other not a real fight no it's just separate them send them to the locker rooms and be done with that was a tough look for ryan day by the way i don't know if you guys saw that tough look for gus johnson no but yeah but ryan day with like the the video standing there he just literally was just like walked over like looking like he was like a little kid looking at a car crash.

He also took pride in his players defending

midfield. Like after the game.
He

tried to salvage a little bit of self-respect.

He was like, I'm really proud of my guys for

what they did right after the game was over.

Yeah, as he just stood silently and motionless

as Jack Sawyer is having a meltdown.

I feel bad for Jack Sawyer. I do too.

That one was tough.

The defensive players that came back to win a national,

and they still can win a national title.

Defensive players came back to beat Michigan and win a national title,

and they go 0-4 against Michigan.

That's a rough.

And there was nothing that they could have done.

No.

How do you feel about Michigan these days?

I don't really think about Michigan at all.

That's when we talked about Michigan for like 10 minutes.

We were talking about Ohio State, Michigan.

Definitely think about them.

We were talking about Ohio State, not Michigan.

Michigan's a non-factor in college football in 2024.

Brandon, which team is most likely to cause some chaos

in the college football playoff?

Because I'll throw one out for you.

Okay.

You ready?

I'll throw one out for you.

And what I mean by that is we're talking about Oregon. We're talking about Ohio State, Georgia, Texas.
I think Tennessee could cause some chaos. Tennessee's defensive line.
Another good defense, another good running game. Nico's starting to play a little better.
Nico is starting to play a little better. And if he plays at his best, if this is like the new Nico that we're seeing, which we've said that before, by the way.
But if he shows consistency, then yes, they can definitely beat anybody. Yeah, and Tennessee kind of went through a midseason slump, and Nico went through a midseason slump.
I think they're as talented as anybody. They're so bad in that Oklahoma game.
They're kind of under the radar. No, I agree.
I think they have, especially if they somehow get a home playoff game, which I think they should probably get one because I think they deserve one over. They deserve one over.
Well, I think it's going to be Ohio State or Tennessee. Because Notre Dame's going to be five.
Penn State's going to take one of the home playoff games. And who am I forgetting? And Georgia will probably take another one.
Or Texas. They're going to be right in that flip-flop zone with probably Ohio State.
It's going to get. One of them might host the other.
I think Tennessee probably has to get it over Ohio State. I think they should because they have two losses and they have the same amount of losses but they haven't lost as late as Ohio State lost.
But if that's Tennessee Ohio State at that 8-9 matchup is that where it intersects? 5-6-7-8? Yeah. Because you would assume Georgia and Penn State or say Texas and Penn State but Georgia and Penn State because they both would have or Georgia would have three losses.
Penn State could get a bye. The way you keep saying Penn State.
Well, they could. I'm just throwing out like who's favored in the game, Max.
Yeah. Cool down.
It's a three point. I understand.
He's throwing out his slots. All right.
But do you know how annoying it is if I say Oregon, Penn State, Texas, Georgia? The loser of Oregon, Penn State. Okay.
The loser of Oregon, Penn State will get a bye or will get a home playoff game. The loser of Texas, Georgia will get a home playoff game.
Notre Dame will get a home playoff game. Ohio State and Tennessee.
Boy, if I'm Oregon. Oh, what are you doing? It's college football expert, Liam Blutman.
Can you turn on his mic real quick? So there wasn't. No, there was not.
I texted him when I found out he had votes. Oh, I will always talk ball with Liam Blutman.
Liam Blutman, our college football. The number one ball watcher.
Mike's not plugged in. Mike's not plugged in.
You can take Brandon's mic. He's a man of few words.
The number one ball watcher in America. I have said that many times.
I just said it. Liam Blutman has joined us very quickly.
Liam Blutman, I have a simple question for you. A simple question.
Y'all don't have a producer who knows how to plug into my mic? He knows how to plug into my mic. You hate producer's brand.
All right. Yeah, you are.
You're like Ellen DeGeneres around here. Liam Blutman, if you had a vote.
No, I don't. A little bit.
You do. Yeah, I can see it now.
If you had a vote for Heisman, who would you vote for? If I had a vote for the Heisman, I would vote for Ashton. Get out of here.
Get out of here. Get out of here.
I would happily be okay with Travis Hunter winning because I think that these are the two best Heisman-like contenders that we have had in so long. That's what I said.
Neither is a loser. It sounds better coming from him.
Shador should be number three in the Heisman voting, too. I don't know what's going on there.
I agree. Split votes? That is a possibility.
Oh, no. I think I would personally vote for Gentry.
I think it's not talked about enough that the second-linging rusher in the country is Ashton Gentry after contact. I think it's insane.
I said that. He's hard to bring down.
It's crazy to watch. His Heisman run.
This is backfiring PFT. His Heisman run was derailed because of injuries.
Foot injury. Stamina is important.
Stamina is important. He was in a boot after.
Didn't win the stamina award? What all votes do you have? Tell us all the votes you have, by the way. What votes do you have? Bolitnikoff? Bolitnikoff.
Are you going to vote for Travis Hunter for that? I vote for Nick Nash. Yes.
He won the vote for nick nash yes crown nick nash one of my big things about like wanting so badly again for the voting scene like personality thing in college football was the group of five representation representation for all the other people that didn't do it so i thought to myself if i don't vote for nick nash yeah nick nash is electric you've become who you hated correct so four years ago liam would be livid i you know like jared stern's got robbed of his bullet in the cough right a few years ago so nick nash triple crown leader it's kind of a no-brainer yeah he's electric what other votes you have uh davy o'brien we vote for their door okay um what else i'd like to give you a low man trophy vote i vote okay north akota states fullback oh okay all right tough name to say but did you also just out yourself as being biased towards asha jenty over yes he did that's a great point max that's a great point you said you just outed yourself for being biased towards uh ashen jenny over Travisvis hunter you did because he's g5 yeah you did oh that that's a fair point pft do you want to do the low man uh nominees yeah we actually have the list yeah so let's finish with that oh actually before we finish that uh blutman answer this one question uh we're taping this again at 2 30 in the afternoon but al they're gonna get alabama in aren't they alabama's a hundred percent on the planet. Yeah, it sucks, but they're going to get Alabama in, aren't they?

Alabama's 100% in the playoff. Yeah, it sucks, but it's going to happen.

So they would go in over SMU who loses,

or they go in over Clemson.

Would they go in over SMU if they lost to Clemson?

That would be the travesty.

That would open up two spots, though, wouldn't it?

No, if Clemson beats SMU.

Yeah, Clemson steals.

That would be the travesty.

SMU should be in over Alabama if SMU loses the championship game. You think SMU's in? I mean, Alabama's in regardless? Yes.
And I don't think they should be, but as a fan of college football. What a...
Against it, I kind of love the chaos factor of Alabama getting in there and make stuff happen. I just...
I don't think they're good enough. The fact that we would get a three-loss Clemson

and a three-loss Alabama

in would just suck.

Zombie dabbo.

Yeah.

All right.

Let's do the low man.

This is unveiling the finalists

for the low man award,

which we're going to be announcing

the winner in a couple weeks.

Yes.

Does Brandon have a vote?

Brandon does have a vote.

Okay, nice.

He has not given his vote yet, though. I did not...
You didn't submit the ballot. This is why you don't have a Heisman vote.
No, it's not. You don't do the paperwork.
I gave you a vote, and you eschewed it. You asked me yesterday at 5 o'clock.
I didn't know that. You didn't put the clock on me.
I didn't know that we were doing this. I only gave you 22 hours.
That's right. That's on me.
All right, Bubbin, if you have anything to say about any of these guys at pft lists all right so we consulted the panel very prestigious panel of current former fullbacks and they submitted these names these are the most common names and then we will narrow them down and have a winner in due time max bredison michigan kanye udo like that name. Kanye is great.
Christian Moore, UNLV. Steve-O Klotz, Iowa State.
You like Klotz? I like the most so far, Bresson. It's a great name, Steve-O Klotz.
Steve-O Klotz is great. That's what you think about when you think about a fullback.
Gabe Fisher from Vandy. Eli Heidenreich from Navy.
That's also a fullback name. Yeah, great name.
It means Argentina. Heidenreich.
Tyler Crowe from Boise State. He was very good.
He even took a few carries over for Gentry because their RB2 and RB3 were hurt. Oh, so Gentry system back.
Sounds like it. You can't say anything around these guys.
Jump on it. They're very good.
We allow them to say what they want. They are great for college football.
Thank you. Thank you.
You're great for college football. Why are you talking down to me? They're single-handedly going Travis Hunter of the Heisman.
You gotta give them some respect. I think he had something to.
I like 50-50. Can I just – I don't think two people can do anything single-handedly.
Double-handedly. You can.
Quadruple-handedly. Okay.
That's what I thought. That's what I thought.
And then the final – Actually, no. I'm going to add yours, Liam.
Yeah. Truman Wehrmeyer.
How do you pronounce that? Truman Wehrmeyer. How he just said it.

Truman Wehrmeyer.

Straight out Fargo.

Fargo kid went to play at NDSU.

North Dakota State.

Now look where he's made. Rich Heritage.

Still at NDSU.

And then the final nominee.

This was actually from the AWLs.

I allowed them to nominate somebody.

And truthfully, I would have nominated this guy as well.

Brock Lampe from Northern Illinois. Instrumental in their defeat of Northern Illinois.
So that's your list. Max Bredesen, Kanye Udo, Christian Moore, Steve Oklotz, Gabe Fisher, Eli Heidenreich, Tyler Crowe, Blutman.
Oh, Tyler Warmeyer. And Brock Lampe.
Truman Warmeyer. Truman Warmeyer.
So that's the list, and we'll get the final votes. Okay.
Is this given to the fullback who had the best season or the man who looks most like a fullback? This is given to the top fullback. I'd say both of those meet the criteria.
If your name is Brock, you have a much higher percentage being nominated. Klotz is in good shape.
Steve-O Klotz, yeah. Historically, if you played for Armed Forces Academy, Wisconsin or Iowa, you had a good shot.
Yeah, but I mean, that's just where the best fullbacks go. Yeah.
And I think we do a good job of awarding them because we have professional fullbacks, people that take this seriously. He just showed me the North Dakota State fullback.
Let me see him. He looks awful fullback-y.
He looks very fullback-y. We're talking neck roll.
I'm talking number 44. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a fullback.
he looks very fullback here we're talking neck roll i'm talking 44 i'm talking oh yeah yeah that's a fullback he's got he's got the nice fullback tilt right there yeah where he's like not all the way hunched over right but he can still run your ass over yeah yeah i love that um okay well this has been fun boys you know what i love about the college football playoff what i just realized after having all, they've secretly turned us, they've tricked us into doing math, but just with names of schools. Like we're doing algebra, like probability.
If this team beats this team, then they made us learn a quadratic formula, a brand new one in like 12 months. Our critical thinking skills are off the charts right now.
And you could have just looked in the back of the book and seen written Alabama. Yeah, the entire time.
You could have figured this out. It's like how your dumbest friend from high school was tricked into learning the metric system.
Yeah. Buying and selling drugs.
Yeah. Like, Nicky Smokes could do grams to ounces.
Oh, easy. Faster than Google Calendar.
Yeah. Alright, boys, thank you.
Brandon, great job. Yep.
Two-time PMT guest. Liam Blutman, one-time PMT guest.
Three-time. Oh, yeah.
Dingers only. Which, are you ready for that? I'm ready.
We're finally going to do it. I won dingers only.
You did. I've received no prize.
No, your prize is you get to come with us, and it's going to be a hell of a video. All right.
It's going to be a hell of a video. I'm excited.
I'm sorry. I called you Ellen DeGeneres.
It's okay. You're not generous.

Liam, first time PMT?

I think.

I love that.

I love it.

Yep.

College football expert.

Let's make sure you get to four before Brandon gets to four. Five years, man.

Three, nine, 25.

All right.

See you guys.

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Henry, hot seat cool throne. My hot seat are the best players on NBA teams that don't play back to backs.
Oh shit. You stole mine.
Load management. Maybe you didn't.
Jalen Brown. Yeah.
Eastern conference finals, MVP. Okay.
NBA finals, MVP. Aura MVP.
NBA champion. King of the aura on the Celtics.
Batman. 99% of the Celtics aura.
Actually, no. 50%.
50% Joe Mazzula. 49% Joe Mazzula, 1% Peyton Pritchard.
Yeah. At the end of quarters.
Yeah. Luke Cornett.
He didn't play Sunday because he was sick, and then he played on Monday. Celtics won.
And I think he was talking about missing the back-to-back. And he he said it's hard for teams to be great if some of your best players don't play back-to-backs so yeah anyone you know i don't know who falls in that category i guess you could probably look at the there's probably some website that shows you know percentage of nba players that don't play back-to-backs but i think after everyone that wants to be great after everything he's done for the city i think boston can give him a pass yeah, no, he acknowledged it.
He's like, I want to play back-to-back because I was just feeling sick. Right, he wants it.
The reason you want to play is because it's hard to be great if you don't. Yeah, showing up.
You have to show up to be great. And I think, yeah, I think that star players can get away with doing that if they've got results, you know, if they've got pelts on the wall.
Right. If they can say, I won a championship,

there's no doubting my commitment to this team.

Also, they lost Sunday.

I mean, it is an interesting strategy if you're like the Celtics

and you have a pretty loaded team to schedule your back-to-backs

like correctly where it's like one night Jason Tatum sits out,

one night Jalen Brown, you'd probably win both games.

No. But this is also – That's loser mentality.
Okay, all right, all right. He said it.
He said night Jason Tatum sits out, one night Jalen Brown, you probably win both games. No.

But this is also.

That's loser mentality.

Okay, all right, all right.

He said it.

He said if you want to be great, it's hard to be great

if your best players don't play back-to-backs.

That's true.

It's a good point.

Is there anyone who doesn't play back-to-backs?

There's got to be a bunch.

LeBron.

No, LeBron plays back-to-backs.

That's my cool throw.

I'll get to it.

LeBron played back-to-back at 40 years old.

39, about to be 40. Is there anyone else? The guy you're referring to doesn't even play single games anymore.
So I don't even understand his pitch. He doesn't play backs? Oh, Kawhi? He doesn't play backs? Let alone back-to-backs? Oh, no.
Paul George. Paul George.
I think Paul George is back tonight. By the way, NBA Cup, we do release our picks every Tuesday.
Max is really really bad yeah really bad what's your record i'm i am sitting out this nba season what's your record though bad i don't know bad even the nba cup season so we're in a competition we're gonna keep doing my picks but i'm just so bad at it what an endorsement i'll say it i am uh i'm a full nba cup guy guy. I thought that it was lame last year, but the courts I love.

The what?

The courts I love.

You're just digging your heels into that thing.

I do.

I like the courts.

I like something different.

The courts I love.

I also love the fact, and this is probably because I like to gamble on overs,

that teams are playing for point differential.

That makes it fun where it's like the end of a game where it shouldn't mean anything. Teams are still trying to score to get for point differential.
That makes it fun, where it's like the end of a game

where it shouldn't mean anything.

Teams are still trying to score to get the point differential up.

I'm an NBA Cup guy.

I am locked in on the NBA Cup.

Yeah.

I've never been this hot.

Yeah.

No, you are.

Yeah, you're blazing hot.

The Wizards, because it started last year,

I think they're like the worst team in NBA Cup history.

Oh, no.

Yeah, setting records.

Yeah.

This is part of the plan.

It's the process.

But Max is getting Cooper fired. No, he disavowed..
Wait, Max, what is your record for the NBA Cup? I am 2-7 on my pick. That's tough.
Not good. That's tough.
What are you, Big Cat? I think I'm like 6-3 or something. Yep, you are exactly 6-3.
Yeah. No idea.
500? Do follow us. We're playing it.
What am I? Oh, 5-4. Just curious.
You're eight and one. I'm eight and one.
I'm eight and one. While we're asking for records, memes, what did you go on Sunday in the NFL picks? I went oh and one.
On the NFL picks? On Sunday? On Sunday, I went on. On Sunday and Sunday.
Oh, semantics. But yeah, the NBA Cup, we're releasing our picks on all of our socials on Tuesday.
We're in a competition.

So follow along.

Follow PFT.

He's hot.

Where's the winner get?

$10,000 free bet.

You know what?

If I get the free bet.

Yeah.

I'm going to Mississippi.

I'm going to hang out for a while.

That's what people are going to say.

Here, say something nice about the Sixers.

Ready for it?

I am a fool.

This wasn't about the Sixers, by the way.

It's just hypothetical players that don't.

Thank you. here say something nice about the Sixers ready for it? I am a full this wasn't about the Sixers by the way it's just hypothetical players that don't play back to back say something nice about the NBA I'm a full blown Jerry McCain fan Stan I've watched all his TikToks he is the fact that he pisses people off makes me like him but then more than watching his TikToks, it's the old rule of if you watch someone do something that they genuinely love, it kind of puts a smile on your face.
He genuinely loves doing TikToks. And I find myself smiling when I watch him.
I also love the fact that he's awesome. Yeah.
So if he's making the TikToks and he's stunk- Would be different. Then everybody'd be like, fuck this guy.
I'd still be a fan of the TikToks. Well, what happens is he makes people so mad with the TikToks and then he goes out and he just drops an insane game on you and tells you that he's rookie of the year and it makes his opponents so much more angry at him.
Yeah. Yeah.
I have a yes or no question. Okay.
That would be good, I think, to get on the record. It's a good segment.
Three years from now. Okay.
Will the city of Philadelphia have broken McCain? No, I think they're embracing him. They broke Simmons.
Yeah. They've broken Embiid.
Oh, man, that's a good question. Tyrus Maxey? It's a good question.
Tyrus Maxey might be broken. No.
Ment think mentally. I mean, he's got to deal with Joel Embiid because I mean, you're an elephant in the room.
You're forgetting about the elephant. Maxie's always been like he hasn't, you know, he's he's one a one, but he's never been like Embiid, you know, got all the shine.
Simmons got all the shine. Now McCain is really getting all the shine on the Sixers and still not Maxie.
So, yeah, Max, I will fight for you to not have that happen because I like Jared McCain so much. Just a yes or no question.
I'm going to say yes. I think it's completely fair to ask that question.
Because it is like if the second things start going poorly, it's very easy to be like, this guy needs to get off TikTok. How are the Eagles playing? That's the question.
There has to become a point where we stop talking about the Sixers every week. We're talking about players that don't play back in Philadelphia.
We're talking about the NBA Cup. We're talking about...
And then named Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid. We're talking to me how that is not talking about the Sixers.
Max, we're talking about the rookie of the year. Yeah.
Max, I... Hank just brought up Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid.
See, I disagree, Max. I think we're allowed to talk about the Sixers until Christmas Day.
If they't have 10 wins and they're done. That's the deal.
End of Christmas Day. End of Christmas Day if they don't have 10 wins and they're done.
Philadelphia's broken. Embiid, Simmons, that robot.
The Liberty Bell. Liberty Bell.
That robot. Fuck that robot.
The robot, yep. Yeah, I'm with you.
Nick Sirianni's brain. Fuck that guy.
No, Sirianni's all the way back. Oh.
All the way back. Oh, my God.

If you don't think he's got a little crazy that he's just waiting for the first crack,

he's just going to shave his head again.

Baldiani undefeated.

They broke Carson Wentz.

Baldiani.

Donovan McNabb.

Yeah.

Well, no.

Ryan Howard.

Mike Shanahan broke him.

You guys booed him on the way out, didn't you?

Not me.

Okay.

Ryan Howard broke him.

You broke Trey Turner.

Thank you. yeah well no ryan howard mike shanahan broke him you guys booed him on the way out didn't you not me okay you broke trey turner then you put him back together yep how about that he's like humpty dumpty yeah all right good hot seat hank about the nba uh what's your cool throne uh my cool throne is getting hacked oh did you guys see this no uh obviously congrats to josh he got engaged over the holiday break josh allen our guy steinfeld uh science out steinfeld steinfeld steinfeld steinfeld uh his ex britney was someone i think she posted a tiktok and someone commented uh asking her like you, when is she going to get another athlete boyfriend or something? And she replied.
Her account replied. Sorry.
Luckily, my boyfriend owns a team and doesn't play for one. Don't have to be with another brain dead.
Oh, that's mean. But listen, about an hour later, she posted on Instagram.
She said, I got hacked. So that's definitely definitely what a hacker would do.
I think she... When was this? This was on Friday? It was like after the news, bro.
Yeah, I think she probably... She got hacked by Pino Grigio.
Yeah. Most hackers will have a very specific reply about how you're actually living your best life.
Is Britney... Yeah.
That's the nicest hacker ever. Yeah.
To just be like, no, I'm going to come to my girl.

I hacked this girl's account, and now I'm going to come to her defense.

Actually, the person's account who I hacked, they're doing great.

Yeah.

You don't even know.

She got hacked by a Chiefs fan trying to slander Josh Allen.

They're thriving.

She's focusing on herself, which honestly, she deserves to do.

And by the way, Brittany is the most ex name of all time.

Yeah. Every Brittany is somebody's ex-name of all time.
Yeah.

Every Brittany is somebody's ex. It's Brittany, bitch.
Good job, Hank. Nice job, Hank.
Thanks. My hot seat is Hank.
Oh. Hank, who are the members of the Four Aces? Uh-oh.
Dustin Johnson. Mm-hmm.
Varner. Perez.
It's not Uline because he just won a DP World Tour event. It is.
Double penetration? Come on, Hank. I don't know.
You know this guy. Is he old? No.
You've got to make sure you keep track of your wallet. His wife has burners.
Maybe hacked. Oh.
Pat Reed. Yeah.
Actually, incorrect, Hank. There's a fifth ace.
They just acquired Thomas Peters from the Range Goats. So there are five four aces right now.
You knew that Thomas Peters was on the Range Goats? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
So there are five four aces. Pat Perez's contract ends on January 1st.
That's awkward. So as of right now, there are five four aces.
That's very awkward. So can you remember those? We'll quiz you on those later.
So Perez out. Perez out, Peter's in.
Yeah. That's a stacked team.
Yeah. My other hot other hot seat is mike greenberg oh because baseball is implementing some very dumb rules maybe they're floating some very dumb oh i haven't heard this and this sounds like it's right out of mike greenberg's brain that's why he's on the hot seat for not thinking of this first uh rob manford is talking about like the winter meetings and all the stuff that gets discussed in the offseason baseball whatever that might be and there's a new rule that he says has a lot of buzz going around the meetings okay it's called the golden at bat the golden at bat is a rule change that mlb is considering implementing can i guess what the golden at bat yeah i guess because i actually think this would be awesome if this is what it is uh at at any point in the game you can go out of order and put anyone up you can put one one player up.
Yeah. Is that it? That's the golden at bat.
Oh, I love this. Now they're floating out.
It's a Shohei rule. They're floating out the idea that it might be only if your team is trailing, and then they have to figure out what's going to happen if you want to move Shohei up two spots in the lineup, and then he gets on base, and then his turn comes around in the order.
Does he get to bat again? Oh, yeah. flip-flop his ghost runner i would love a ghost runner would rock ghost runner would be awesome isn't there isn't it isn't there a mathematical way though where you could just put him like five spots back where it would basically be mathematically impossible for him no on base no with no the amount of outs no five spots back or whatever yeah yeah There would be a certain amount.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. amount.
I don't know what. Five is just a random number.
Yes, where it could be bases loaded and you have two outs. Worst case scenario, yeah.
If he bats first, the second guy gets on, the third guy gets on, that's bases loaded. The fourth gets out, the fifth gets out, so seventh.
Six would be up seventh.

So first and seventh.

You could do it, but I think the idea is that when you have a hitter that's up

that you don't think is going to get a hit, then you can be like,

hey, instead of Aaron Judge hitting, let's just have Giancarlo Stanton hit twice.

I like this rule.

I think that makes it cool.

Baseball hardouts are going to be so mad.

But think about the ninth inning when you're like, oh,

Shohei made the last out, but he can bat again,

and we're going to be so mad. But think about the ninth inning when you're like, oh, Shohei made the last out, but he can bat again, and we're down two.
That's cool. This is one of those rules that it sounds fun to talk about, because this is what baseball does.
There's just so many different opportunities to make the game more entertaining that you have an endless supply of wrinkles that you can put in. But once it gets into the game, I feel like that's going to be very weird to watch.
I don't think I'm going to like it. I like Oaks.
I like this. It's a great idea.
Yeah. You know what they need to do to make it even, though, is the defense, the pitcher, you should be able to bring one pitcher back.
Golden arm. Because then you could bring in a guy to pitch against a lefty, then put him back in the bullpen, and then bring him back in.

I don't know.

That would probably get confusing.

I like the golden bat rule, though,

because it just makes it so that games will be exciting at the end. What I really want them to do is to implement the idea of having challenges

for strikes, but it's just done by the batter at the plate,

and he has to say it immediately.

Yeah, I mean, they have that in minor leagues.

There's some minor league baseball teams. Yeah, where they have one challenge and they just immediately look at it.
Yeah, I like this. I see.
Golden at bat, but you start 0-1. No, I think it's just golden at bat.
You just get to do your order over where you get to put your best guy up because it's just... Do numbers not mean anything to you guys anymore? No.
Am I the only one that loves the numbers in baseball? No, numbers mean jack shit at this point. And it's, I mean what does mean anything to you guys anymore am i the only one that loves the numbers in baseball no numbers mean jack shit at this point uh it's i mean think about it it's just you know you if you get to the the bottom of the ninth and you can be like our best guy's now gonna bat that's cool the numbers that actual baseball fans care about now are the dumbest number like it's like if you talk to a true seam head they're talking about like the random, you knowGR.
The actual important numbers are like, who cares? Let's make baseball entertaining. I also think PFT, it's the point of no return.
As soon as they did the pitch clock, which I'm in favor of, the pitch clock, the rule that if you come in the game, you have to face a certain amount of batters.

Slightly bigger bases.

Yeah, throws over to first.

As soon as you do that, you've changed the game and how it's played.

So it's like, why not?

Okay, I could be on board with this, but what I really want to see is some nerds go back

and do projections for what Babe Ruth's numbers would have been if they had the golden at-bat.

Well, if you can only do it when you're down.

It's an extra at-bat a game. If you only can do it when you're down, it's probably going to end up being like, what, 20 extra at bats.
If it's a certain amount, because you probably wouldn't. I think you can't do it only when you're down.
I think both teams got to be able to do it. Yeah, but it won't happen as often because think about it.
If they did the rule where it's you're only down it has to be half like it has to be every game you're down so it's whatever split that in half and then it also has to be all the games that your guy wasn't going to come up anyway yeah so it could maybe like 30 40 at bats extra what they really need to do is just make red zone for baseball yeah they should make it that if the player if he's on base he can come out but the team gets to pick the pinch runner. So they can pick the slowest person.
The fattest guy. Yeah.
Maybe there's just every team has to carry a 26 guy that's over 300 pounds. That would be awesome.
Like, you get the golden at bat, but how awesome would it be? Like, oh, a golden at bat's coming up? Hopefully he gets a single so he can watch a fucking fatso run around the bases. I like that idea.
Also, one of the infielders gets a knife. Yeah, I'm in for that.
The cool throne today is going to be Instagram hockey. There's a guy that does Monday Night Hockey.
I forget his Valaket he works for the Rangers maybe you can provide some insight as to this guy so he went after Jack Hughes because in the game on Monday night Jack Hughes had a breakaway and then he did like a few too many moves on the breakaway and tried to score with one hand on a stick. Yeah.
And Steve Vallecat went after him and was like, this is a clown show. You're trying to show up your opponent.
You're trying to embarrass the other goalie. In my day, we would have had guys coming over the boards at you.
This is Instagram hockey. This isn't real hockey.
Also, side note, he didn't end up scoring on it. Okay.
Shester can stop the shot. Yeah.
But in hockey, the idea is to beat the goalie. Right.
On a breakaway. Right.
So who cares if you juke him out too much? Like a goalie's going to be embarrassed by any goal. Right.
Correct. But I also, this goes back to- And this was a save.
Yeah, it was a save. This goes back to how we love these type of guys being around sports.
Oh, yeah. We need, Don Cherry needs a guy like to step up and and take the torch for him in the future who just hates fun stuff yeah it's in rapport crying about mike malarkey yeah we need old guys that get pissed off over stupid shit because that actually makes sports more fun for those of us who aren't old who get pissed off the yeah prisco the the all the people who were tweeting that like uh the flag you know stuff rivalry week was too far and someone's going to get hurt.
I love those guys. You need them.
It was a big day for flags. It was a big day.
But it was one of those situations where I need someone on the other side to be like, this is actually really bad and dangerous. Yeah, because I don't want to have to invent a straw man in my head that I can argue against and be like, I can't believe there's some people out there that think this isn't fun.

Right.

Then we would just be Rusillo.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

It fills a valuable role for us to have somebody who actually believes this stuff.

So did Jack Hughes say something about it?

What do you say, memes?

Yeah, I had Max pull up the clip. Okay, let's see.
I had your spot that you were trying to embarrass the Sturkin. Just take me through that.
And what was your reaction to hearing that? What did he say? He said he thought you were trying to embarrass the Sturkin on that breakaway when you come to the Fortsburg. Yeah, I mean, I don't even know what that means.
Like, what does that even mean? Yeah, I don't even know what that means. It's literally like Allen Iverson was trying to embarrass his defenders when he crossed them up.
I like to imagine that Jack Hughes actually just didn't understand what those words meant. Well, I think he was being nice, but his real answer was probably like, yeah, no shit, I was trying to embarrass him.
Yeah, that's my that's my job literally right shootout right like i want to do the filthiest yeah nastiest like most embarrassing goal that you can score and score yeah fucking goal score and it's good for the sport it is good for the sport also this guy's good for the sport because we're talking about the sport and hockey season hasn't even started yet yeah it hasn't started uh all right my hot seat is beta males uh because the bears did a press conference they're looking for leader of men yeah they're very clear about that leader of men i think they've said the phrase leader of men too many times and then way too many dj moore says like what are you they asked him what are you looking for head coach he's like well kevin warren told me we're looking for a leader of men yeah it seems like they're obsessed with the phrase leader of men. I'm staying cautiously optimistic, but I will say that the immediate press conference after with Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles did not give me a lot of confidence because it feels like Kevin Warren is now running the show.
I feel bad for Ryan Poles because I honestly think there was a report that he wanted to fire Iberflus after the Patriots game. Yeah.

Also, Jalen Johnson basically told Iberflus to fuck off in front of the whole team after the Lions game,

and that was the moment where they're like,

oh, we should maybe fire this guy.

Yeah.

But, yeah, it looks like it might be a mess,

and they're looking for leader of men.

During the post-game speech, apparently, Jalen Johnson was just like,

the same fucking thing happens over.

I've heard this speech five times in a row. Yeah.
Shut the fuck up, Matt up matt yeah matt eberflew's just in a very non-leader of men fashion closed his mouth and just ended the speech after a couple seconds there was also something that i read big cat where they did the the press conference on that that friday morning yeah and they started the meeting behind the scenes with kevin warren ryan poles and mccaskey. George McCaskey, yeah.
So they started that meeting at 7 a.m. Matt Eberflus' press conference started at 9 a.m.
Yeah, I can explain this. But the meeting of whether or not to fire Matt Eberflus wasn't concluded until like 10 a.m.
Yeah. So that tells me that in this meeting that lasted three hours, there was somebody who was passionately trying to defend Matt Eberflus and not let him be fired.
No. What I think happened was George McCaskey was like Michael Scott being like, explain this to me like I'm five that I have to pay this guy to not work.
And they just had to go over that over and over and over. He was just looking at what the future bank statements were.
Yeah. He was like, wait, so he's not going to coach anymore this year, but he's our head coach and we have to pay him? And they're like, all right, let's go over this for the 75th time, George.
We have to get a new head coach, but like, we're paying one already. Yeah, we're paying one right now.
How does this make sense? I feel like in a three hour meeting, somebody probably had a dissenting voice. No, they probably are just, I mean, it's bad.
It's bad. And then they pulls it like the clip, which was a great, the hard-knock Saquon clip, where there was the one guy in the room being like, someone's going to pick him up.
And they're like, who's going to want Saquon? He's like, anyone that wants a good running back? You could tell he was fighting for it and just getting overruled. And Ryan Poles deserves a lot of criticism for how this year has gone.
But I do think that he is... It's pretty clear that he is being held back and not being able to do what he wants to do because there also was a report that he wanted to fire iber flus last year and was told not to so yeah uh yeah it's fun times but leader of men we're gonna get a leader of men someone who can lead some men i like that also really like i don't feel bad for iber flus he got paid to not work and I'm sure he'll get a job somewhere else because that's how all coaches work out.
But what a terrible, terrible 48 hours where essentially every single person called you a pussy. Yeah.
They're like, we need a leader of men. What we had was not a leader of men.
We didn't have one of those guys. You can lead a man, maybe, but men.
It's so funny that they're going out and they're like looking to hire somebody to lead them yeah it's like i want you to come into this office and show me how you would dominate me yeah yeah exactly a lot of money for that yeah uh okay my cool throne my last question yeah is it what's the timeline and just like offseason yeah i mean they'll probably hire someone within the first week of the offseason i mean they're guys have to, well, unless they hire from outside. Do you know what I mean? Like, if they hire someone who doesn't have a job right now, it could be sooner.
But if it's Ben Johnson, it's going to be longer. I'll read the power rankings to you real quick.
It was interesting what the computer spit out this morning. I think Ron Rivera's available.
Stop. the 49ers power ranking was should probably

start fresh and fire shanahan and then the bears were below the 49ers and it said need a new head coach if anyone can think of a team that probably should start fresh and fire their shanahan hmm seems like that's a match well you guys play shanahan this week right yeah it's true you guys are on on back-to-back weeks trying to impress yeah coaches yeah i actually think the bears are gonna win that game uh i think they're gonna play for thomas brown my cool throne is i have two uh one is for lebron james so lebron played a back-to-back is there any big players that don't play back-to-backs it's tough to be a great team if you don't yeah jalen brown. Yeah, Jalen Brown.
He had his tummy ache. But also championship.
He played the back of the back-to-back. Eastern Conference.
He didn't play the first back. He didn't play the front.
Yeah, he played the front. NBA Finals MVP.
LeBron James kept his streak of 10-point games alive in his back-to-back. And it was when he was down 25 points in the fourth quarter with eight minutes left when LeBron James usually is not in a game.
Yeah. But they kept him in so that he could get that.
Well, I mean, he probably only played for, what, 15, 17 minutes? He played. So, yeah, I mean, credit to him.
He did play back-to-back. He played 31 minutes.
Oh, okay. LeBron's old.
No, he's not. He's not.
He's not old. Because the second I admit that LeBron is old, guess what? We're old.
We're old. But I not he's not he's not old because the second i admit that lebron is old guess what

we're old we're old but i think it's happening he's not old i think it's happening it's been incredible that he's almost 40 years old and he's still in the league but it's happening you know what i realized the other day uh derrick henry you would consider him to be old right he's like what like, what, 29? I think he might be a year younger than Hank.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, he's ancient.

Yeah.

He's 30 years old.

So old.

Cooper DeGene also fucked him up.

Okay, so.

We're not talking about, why do you have to inject Philly into every conversation that

we're having?

You guys inject Philly into everything.

That was a really nice tackle.

I mean, like, Derrick Henry caught the ball and turned around. It wasn't like they were both squared up.
Yeah. Okay.
Took him off his feet. All right.
Yeah, no, it was a really nice tackle. But it wasn't like Derek Henry was running full force.
Cooper DeGene was running full force. Cooper DeGene fucked him up.
Yeah, Derrick Henry also has 60 pounds on him. Okay.

And he lifted him off his feet.

Form tackle.

You should put that in textbooks.

Textbooks?

What kind of textbook would that be in?

Form tackling. Oh, now we're above football textbooks?

No, I took football in college.

We're down for football textbooks.

I took football in college, but we didn't have a textbook.

We had film.

Relax, buddy.

We're down for football textbooks.

I forgot my other cool throne. God damn it.
There should be a football textbook. Oh, I remember my other cool throne.
This is right there. Ryan Day's on the cool throne.
Because I don't know if you guys saw this. This is from the 11 Warriors podcast.
Now, it is not out of context, but it's a one-minute clip. So they could have been joking.
I'm going to give them at least out there that we don't know the full thing, but the one-minute clip is very, very funny. And I also respect these guys because every fan does this where if you have a tragic loss, you cope as hard as you can.
Have you guys seen this clip? No. Okay.
It is quite something. So Ryan Day, officially on the cool throne, and here's why.
If you want to, every Ohio State fan I know has spent the last, I don't know what, 15 months screaming that Michigan cheated. Michigan cheated.
Michigan cheated. Me as well.
You know, all of us. Like, I think everyone in here was probably, you know, I'm not pointing fingers.
I'm one of those people as well. And if that's the case, you probably put an asterisk on 21, probably put an asterisk on 22.
23, maybe a different story because they had time maybe to change signs that had come out by the time the 23 game came about. So on that thinking, if they cheated to win in 21 and 22, then does they only have two losses to Michigan? Only one of them really considered a bad loss? I mean, is that a fair question to ask? Because they lost to a national championship team game, probably their closest game, one of their closest games of the season.
In my opinion, the best offensive drive any team had on that Michigan defense last year, that third quarter running drive. Drive of the year.
If that's the case, he's only got one really bad loss. I love these guys.
I want to stand up for these guys real quick because really they undersold it. They undersold it a little bit because this year Michigan probably also cheated because they had cheated in the past.
So now Ohio State's like, how are they cheating this time? And that got into their own head.

I love these guys because this is what fandom does to you,

where you do a podcast after a horrendous loss and you've spun zoned it into.

Actually, Ryan Day, if you do it, he's actually only lost once to Michigan and the best drive against the national championship team.

Nobody's talking about that.

For that drive, Ohio State was national champions. No one's talking about that drive and how they basically won a national championship.
Raise a banner in the horseshoe. 2023 national champions third quarter drive against Michigan.
Also, I feel like protecting legacy is more important than winning a football game, and the players protected the legacy of the school by defending their midfield against having a flag planted on it.

That's facts.

I can't tell.

I probably have to go listen to the whole thing, but shout out the 11 Warriors.

This is what we sound like when our teams lose.

And we're like, oh, well, it was this.

It was this.

We make every excuse.

But that was...

I didn't expect that spin zone.

One loss for Ryan Day against Michigan.

I like that.

I honestly do like this take. And I don't know if we've talked about this brand walker earlier because we haven't recorded that yet i really want ohio state to win the national championship i think that would be the funniest thing ever it would it would be so funny it would in in my dream scenario i like root for chaos and just for ridiculous things to happen ohio state winning the national championship by going through the easiest schedule ever.
Yeah. They don't have to win any...
Upsets everywhere else. Upsets everywhere else.
They don't have to win a single big game. They win the national championship, and then Ryan Day gets fired.
Yeah. That would be the funniest possible outcome to this season.
Dave can claim that he's won two national championships in a row. Yeah.
I mean, if you don't have a horse in this race, that's a pretty funny one to back yes that a lot i'd agree yeah no i actually i had a similar thought because i went to look to bet ohio state to win the national championship but it's five it's it's 475 not not enough i need a little more yeah i mean i need a little bit more because there's a chance they just crumble i might might do it. Yeah.
I got Oregon. I might sprinkle in some Ohio State.
I'll do it. All right.
Let's do it. Let's do it.
We'll do it as a pod. Are you actually? Are you rooting against my bet? Are we cashing out? Is there a cash out or no? I'm putting it in right now.
I also already have from the other night the Eagles-Bills parlay, so I'm going to parlay them as well. I'm going to wait until Saturday night to make this future bet.
Because you might go up? Well, no. At the moment.
No, it's not this Saturday. That Saturday night is what I'm talking about.
Two Saturdays. Two Saturdays.
I'm going to wait to put in this bet in two saturdays that that's responsible gambling yeah um yeah i mean it would be very funny it would be very very funny if if ohio state was able to do it and then they fired ryan day or it would actually be funnier if they if ryan day won the national title and then went took the north carolina job yeah it's like i don't want to do this anymore you guys you guys drive me nuts what do you think would be a funnier outcome if ryan day goes through the easiest possible road wins national championship and then he gets an extension afterwards yeah that would be funnier yeah yeah either way either way i'm rooting for that yeah um okay let's get to our interview with steve smith before we do that pft you got a couple ads noble is known for their best in class award-winning footwear with

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And now here's Steve Smith. Okay, we now welcome on recurring guest, friend of the program, and future Hall of Famer, which we have to talk about off the top.
It is Steve Smith Sr. Steve, first of all, thank you for coming back on.
You're a semifinalist this year. I know we talked about this last time you were on.
This is the year, right? You need to be in the Hall of Fame. This is crazy that Steve Smith is not in the Hall of Fame.
Well, I'm not really sure how to go about it. I'm honored,'m honored and it's cool, you know, and I don't know how to vote and go.
So, you know, I just kind of wait for my time and do that. But the real reason I have avoided coming on you guys.
Yes. One, I owe you hats.
Yes, you do. and and notice I'm not even wearing an L.A.
hat just because it was so bad. And you guys were so right.
Yeah. I just wasn't sure what to do.
So I just, you know what I did? I did what any middle-aged father would do. I put my head in the sand and hoped it went away.

Yeah.

That was a smart strategy.

So for people who don't remember, last time Steve was on, it was last year.

We made a bet.

I think it was Panthers four, four and a half wins.

It was a wager.

Wager.

Not a bet.

A wager.

Four and a half wins, was it?

I thought it was even higher than that.

It might have been five or six.

Yeah.

And they didn't even come close.

It doesn't matter how high it was.

It was real low.

Yeah.

It didn't happen. Yeah.
Yeah. So you steve smith's signature flat brim hats which we expect to receive we'll send you our info but at least yes please at least you acknowledge it off the top because that was definitely on my list of things to talk about you got to yeah yeah you got to um when you owe people things um you have to be willing um to you know to follow through and i was i planned on following through um but it was kind of like uh when you owe somebody some money you know owe that bill and they call you know when they used to call you and say hey checks in the mail you know so i was checks in the mail i don't have your address but i feel like you ignored it for an appropriate amount of time where it was just you were annoyed by the fact that not only did you lose the bet, but you lost it by – like, it wasn't even really close.
No, never close. So then you were just like, I just don't want to have to admit that I was very wrong, but I will eventually, and I'll make it right.
And I actually think, listen, Steve, this goes a long way towards the Hall of Fame case for you, being nice to journalists, the guys that are going to be in that room writing your name down do you have a like a sappy story you can tell about a time like peter king convinced you to keep playing football when you felt like quitting and then he'll feel important and he'll he'll write your name down for the hall of fame uh peter king is important no matter what has to do with steve peter's a dude man uh i like peter peter does uh you know, he doesn't get a lot of credit, but in training camp, he goes around a whole bunch of different teams and he talks. So a lot of stuff that you're seeing him kind of print up and do, it's been seven or eight months of accumulating data information.
So Peter King is one of the good ones man it's it's it's a lot of good journalists

out there um it just sometimes the way they write articles sometimes it um excuse your perspective on uh the individual when you see them in person yeah so what what's an example what where's the line where players are like all right this is bullshit because obviously they got a job to do you got a job to do but what you're asking the wrong person yeah i guess that's true yeah you're

like players are like, all right, this is bullshit. Because obviously they got a job to do.
You got a job to do. But what you're asking the wrong person.
Yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah.
You're one of those journalists that players have said. Yeah.
But I think the toughest thing is trying to figure out and find out which guy really actually watches film.

How much do they watch film?

Because there are times where, you know, I've had guys who say,

you obviously aren't watching a film.

I've had some people even on my podcast who say, oh, Steve,

you don't understand.

You don't watch the games because they're looking at it from their point of view.

A great example is we're talking about Miami Dolphins and how they struggle in the cold weather, right? Having won. And a fan said at the bottom of my podcast, a comment was like, you don't watch the games.
We lost those three games by one point. Bro, an L is an L.
Yeah. Like, it's it's not about like what you see it's about the end result and sometimes the end result gets uh you get distracted because of the way someone articulates it that you disregard the actual content that they're talking about yeah so so let's talk about the dolphins real quick because we were talking about on our show uh the biggest there were two things that stuck out one was mike mcdaniel shivering on the sidelines that was not a good look and the second yeah and the second was they had 20 missed tackles and that to me is cold weather affecting you where it's like you're not getting getting physical, you're not putting your nose in the pile and that kind of stuff.
So the Dolphins have a couple more cold weather games. What is it that they have to fix? What's the mentality, or is it just, hey, this team just can't play in the cold, it is what it is? I think they can play in the cold.
I just really think sometimes that people aren't looking at the teams that they're playing

Great Bay isn't a cakewalk. Yeah, and

Just like last night when we watched the 49ers play the Buffalo Bills

The Buffalo Bills aren't a cakewalk and also to the 49ers are injured

They're not extremely healthy. They're not firing all cylinders.
So to blame everything on the cold weather to say the cold weather has these guys not playing. Man, you're going to...
Miss tackles happen in the heat. True.
Right? It doesn't necessarily matter. What happens is when the elements are what they are and the outcome then all of a sudden the overreaction and the reasoning behind it is always front and center where sometimes it's just we don't want to really give credit to the people who get paid who maybe had a who had a better and executed a a better game plan yeah than opposing team yeah it's easier for us we like to just say it's their candy ass uniforms as soon as you put them under 40 degrees it's simple as that there's nothing to do nothing to do with the x's and o's the aqua doesn't play in the snow yeah they put on i mean you kind of south beach uniforms yeah i mean the the panthers have some candy ass uniforms every now and then where they you know where it's like I'm just saying.
Did you feel it? Did you feel it in the cold? You're like, I know.

Stop it. Yeah, I mean, the Panthers have some candy-ass uniforms every now and then where it's like the blue.
I'm just saying. Did you feel it? Did you feel it in the cold? You're like, I know you did rip up the Bears.
I mean, when you'd wear the black uniforms, those travel. You can play in cold weather in the black, but, yeah, in the blues, you don't want to see that in an ice game.
Yeah. I'm going to teach you, though.
I think you know that we're right. Yeah.
We watched the film. You know that, unfortunately, your life has been about football, and sometimes dumb people like us can boil it down to just candy-ass uniforms, and that hurts.
I don't like that color. Yeah.
You don't have to like the color. One, candy, I disagree.
And then I don't think you guys are dumb. I just think you have your perspective that you're willing to die on the hill about.
I mean, candy makes sense. If I handed you a lollipop that was orange and teal and I handed you a lollipop that was green and yellow, you would be like, I want the orange and teal.
That looks yummy. First of all, two grown men handing each other lollipops is a problem.
Yeah, that's probably a problem. I'm not necessarily sure why you're handing me lollipops and i'm taking it but i think we can normalize giving candy to your friends as adults i think that's fine you know what we're gonna do that as soon as you give us our hats next time we see you when's the last time y'all two yeah uh just pop what you say you popped oh oh yesterday pop for you yeah it was yesterday bad question for us.
There was Nerds gummy clusters yesterday, and I ate like 10 of them. And they actually looked like Dolphins uniforms.
That's a different situation. We're not talking about that.
You're talking about just regular old Tootsie Rolls and Dum Dums. Yeah.
I have a secret candy stash here that I'll put people onto it. I'll be like, hey, you want to see this? And I'll hand them some candy.
So yeah, you're asking the wrong dudes. We're passing around candy all day.
That was talking Miami Dolphins. We're not talking about the candy that you guys are talking about.
Steve, I got a question for you. So I'm a Bears fan.
They fired their coach. The line that's coming out of Hallis Hall right now is they need to find a leader of men.
Can you explain to me what a leader of men is? I think so. A leader of men, when you compare this talking, it's really about holding everyone accountable, not based on your draft status, not based on what this individual means to the franchise, that everybody is treated the same.
However, there are certain people with veterans where they have different um you know opportunities and different things to do I think there's a lot of mixed messages going on a lot of things that probably I live up to the expectation based on the talent of that team and so that's what the leader of men is that not someone not shilly shally and someone sticking to what they believe and kind of making sure that they hold the rest of the team accountable to that as well. Yeah.
Who's the best leader of men that you've played for? Obviously, let's see. Recently, so John Harbaugh, John Fox.
They tried that. Yeah, we tried that.
Johns. Who else? Ron Rivera was like a player's coach.
And I wouldn't say he's not a leader of men, but I think player's coaches sometimes get a pass where they make themselves more about the players and

I just easily

don't mean to. Yeah.
I don't even want to go there.

When you have a coach

though and like it obviously was that the Bears

like the Iberfus kind of had lost

the locker room. Is there

can you feel that shift in a locker room

where it's like uh oh this is and is

there any coming back from it? You can feel definitely. And is there any coming back from it?

You can feel the shift.

Yeah, is there any coming back from it, or is it like once it happens,

it's kind of over?

The only thing you could do is win games to come back from.

Yeah.

The way they were losing games, how they were losing games, it got worse.

It wasn't improving.

It was getting worse each and every time, so you got to make a step.

I would imagine probably something was said in that locker room after the game that probably was about hey we and it wasn't a we it was a he right and that just kind of just it was that was a straw to broke camel's man yeah so in your career have you uh have you had the the experience of playing for an interim coach? No. I'm not.
Okay, because I was wondering... That was a great question.
I have to think about it. Great question.
Thank you. Yeah.
So we always like to bet on interim head coaches when they step in that first week, because you get the bump of having a guy that's gone that probably had lost the locker room, and then usually the interim coach would be somebody that's like, you know, big, tough guy, strength and conditioning background, might just get you juiced up to run through somebody's face that game that week. But, yeah, I guess if you haven't been through it, that's probably a good thing because you never had a coach that was fired in season for you.
No, I haven't. I just had a coach get fired right after the team meeting and was talking to us.
It was George Seifert as if he was going to be coaching us next year. Yeah, that's weird.
That was really weird. Yeah, that was extremely weird.
He's like, hey, make sure you do this. I'm like, I'm about to get fired.
What is he talking about? The other thing that happens a lot during losing streaks is the players-only meetings. And we're big fans of players only meetings but sometimes there might you might have too many players only meetings um at what point in the season do you decide hey it's time to have a players only meeting and then what gets discussed during those meetings since you two aren't a player i can't discuss it with you on the player meeting um madden right yeah too many is too many when you two is too many the first one you gotta do it after that if it's not getting done then you just have to have little conversations on the side yeah I want to talk about your Panthers Bryce Young incredible what he's looked like since he came back from that benching what happened in three weeks? I want to study those three weeks because it looks like a completely different guy.
Obviously, he's still got a lot of work to do, but the confidence and how he's seeing the field is night and day versus what we saw last year, all of last year, in the beginning of this year. Well, you're just getting a guy that gives the opportunity to see the game from a different perspective seeing it uh from the seat versus seeing it from behind the center and getting opportunity to be coached um and seeing you know not everybody deals with adversity the same but obviously bryce has shown you that he could deal with adversity he's used to it he has a good pedigree and And, you know, I think I've said it from the beginning.
I thought it was a great idea just based on how the situation went. He was first overall pick, really didn't have to fight for his job.
It was handed to him. That team wasn't, you know, that team obviously wasn't great looking at the record, offensive line, sustained some injuries.
So there's a lot of different things, and you just throw them out there and expect Bryce Young to fix all the ailments of all the other areas that are needed improvement. And so it didn't go well, and it kind of picked up from where it started with the firing of Coach Wright.
And then with Coach Canales, same thing. And Coach Canales, you know, had the authority and also had the perspective of, hey, I think this is the best thing for our team moving forward.
And it looks like that was the right move. Yeah.
It's been fun to watch him. I think a lot of people wrote him off, maybe us included at some points.
Oh, yeah. But it's fun.
No, we definitely did. Yeah, we watched a lot of the bad games, but it's been cool to see him come back and play well.
So what is Dave Canales doing that is helping Bryce out specifically? Well, one, have a better offensive line, play action. He's under center.
You know, you're seeing a lot of different things. He's the RPO game, some of the things he did in college.
So, and then his offensive mind is bringing a different perspective. They're running the football.
I mean, they're doing a lot of different things compared to last year. I mean, who name it.
I mean, heck, the points they're scoring. How about the type of throws that he's making down the field?

Yeah, he just seems to be way more confident in every throw that he's making.

It was a great game on Sunday.

I want to give you the opportunity to say something nice about Baker Mayfield.

We lost him.

Is he frozen?

I'm not frozen.

He's a dog.

Is he a dog? He's a dog. Baker.
Yeah, I guess so. I don't believe it.
I'm not buying that dog. I sell him.
That was a little purse dog you just had right there. Has he been better than you thought he would be? Bro, I don't care.
He doesn't care about me. I don't care about him.
I like that beef. I think, yeah, he probably would respect that.
There's no beef. Sounds like a little bit of beef.
Sounds like a little bit of beef, Steve. There's some beef there.
Absolutely not. I'll bet you a flat brim hat there's beef.
I bet you 10 flat brim hats is not a beef. There's no beef.
So if there's no beef, can you say one thing that he's done well? He's doing really good. He's throwing the football.
He beat the Panthers. He's doing a good job, man.
What I try to do is I try to leave that alone, man. No more beef.
Got it. There is no beef.
What quarterback can you be critical of right now? Because you do like to be critical of quarterbacks. Which one do you expect more of coming down the stretch? Kirk Cousins.
I expect him. He got to be better, man.
Yeah. Kirk was out there.
Kirk was killing it for the other team the other day. Um, just didn't see that coming Well, do you think they make the switch? We say I don't think they'll make a switch they got too much I don't know if I don't know if Michael Penix is ready to to make that switch I also think the offensive line is for the Atlanta Falcons it's it's not great you know but um Kurt is moving a lot moving around in the pocket a lot more than he should be that's not his uh specialty but you know he just got to play better four picks so that's that's that's uncharacteristic of uh Kurt okay we'll be back to Steve Smith in a second quick word from our friends at Aura Frames isn't it funny how people we love most are often the hardest to shop for? Luckily, there's one gift that everyone on your list is sure to enjoy, an Aura digital picture frame.
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All right, back to Steve Smith.

What about the defensive side of the ball?

Is there a cornerback that you've seen recently,

maybe a new guy on the scene that you're like, that guy can play?

That dude would be very tough to go up against.

I mean, those fifth-round picks from the Los Angeles Chargers, man, those dudes out there playing well. I'm pretty impressed with them.
The defense a little bit this year has been kind of hit or miss, right? You've seen guys play well, and then you've seen guys disappear. Guys are playing a lot of zone coverage, like the Philadelphia Eagles.
their draft picks are bowling uh i mean there's a lot of guys um that aren't first round draft picks are really contributing to their teams in ways that people weren't just were not expecting it yeah um did you see that jim harbaugh said that uh lab mcconkey uh reminds him of you yeah what is that that's a like that is that a good compliment yeah that's a bit awesome. Man, Lad's a dog.
I did a breakdown on that. I liked him at Georgia.
I was very consistent. I take that as a compliment.
I'm not worried about falling into the, oh, he's this, he's that, or who reminds me. Man, if Coach says that Lad can play, I agree, Lad can play.
When I look at Lad, and then I look at myself, I was like, man, is this Lad or Steve? Steve or Lad? I mean, so that's how I feel. Alright, so I have another receiver I wanted to ask you about.
One of our favorite. Wait, does that mean that you're rooting for Lad to do well because that way the comparison to Steve Smith is good? Are you rooting ford to not be as good because then you can be like, there's only one Steve Smith.
I want Ladd to ball just because I've been watching. I watched his film last year.
He's coming out of college at Georgia. He's steady, Eddie.
He's consistent. What you see is what you get.
This has nothing to do with me. This has to do with, man, the two can just ball.
Yeah. Flat out.
All right. So the other receiver I wanted to ask you about, one of our personal favorites, George Pickens.
Okay. What? Yeah.
What are your thoughts on George Pickens? Because he plays with an edge that sometimes goes over the line. Is that, like, do you need to, you don't want to take all the George out of George Pickens.
You want him to be that fiery guy, but what is, what does he have to do that maybe tone it down a little? Or do you just say, Hey, no, George, go be you. He got to tone it down a little bit just because people are talking about it.
So, and I, you know, and I've been a guy that understands, you know, when people are talking about you like that, there's going to be this assumed disposition about you.

People are going to believe what they see

or believe what some other people may say,

even though the context may not be all in line.

But Georgia's going to have to calm down.

He's a heck of a football player.

He has one of the best coaches out there who really rocks with you.

So if Mike T is telling you you need to rein it in, then guess what? You need to rein it in. Because Mike T, if you think about it, Mike T has been around a lot of special wide receivers, guys who can change the game like that in your favor.
He's also seen that some of these guys haven't managed themselves well and so he's speaking more from not i'm better than but i've seen this movie before and i know how the ending is so you need to be careful i think he likes having guys like that around though because it gives him a good challenge as a coach he likes being able to you know take somebody and help them reach that next level and maybe battle some of their they demons. But with George, I feel like you can't really tell George to stop being George because that's who he is, and that makes him special.
I think you need to tell his teammates, almost have like a quarterback rule where the second he gets tackled, just have everybody out in the field run up to him, help him up, and walk him back to the huddle. Just like don't do the gun sign.

Don't grab anybody by the face mask.

Don't punt the ball into the stands.

Just let's all work as a team to get George back to the huddle

after every reception.

Okay.

Sounds like a plan.

Yeah.

I feel like – so you got those reputation calls at points

when they be looking at you.

Another guy that gets reputation calls I feel like is DK Met metcalf where now he's he's under a microscope for seattle have you watched him recently this year i watched him he's been hurt a little bit um but they're doing a really good job i don't think you could put dk in the same category um of some of the stuff that's going on i think you know every situation is different um to lump all these guys together and say they're troublemakers, I don't think that's fair. No, no, I don't think DK is a troublemaker at all.
I love the way that DK plays the game. I'm just saying that I feel like the refs, after there's enough times where you get a penalty against you, I feel like the refs, they start to zero in on you and you get reputation calls that maybe you don't earn.
And I think that that's what's happened sometimes with DK.

Okay. I'll go with that.

Yeah. Alright, Steve.
So it's

December. It's winning football time.

If you had to pick your Super Bowl

right this second, give you a second

chance. I don't know what your Super Bowl was

before the season.

I didn't pick anything. You didn't pick anything?

Alright, so this is your first chance.

You get a good chance here.

Who would you say in December is going to be in the Super Bowl? Let's go with – I'll give you two. How about can I give you two? Yeah, you can give us as many as you want.
All right. Let's go with Detroit, Kansas City.
Okay. Or Philly and Buffalo.
I like that. Those are both good picks.
Yeah. With Kansas City, they are playing with fire.
They've had like a bunch of really, really close victories where it seems like they're going to lose and then somehow they manage to pull it off. Do you think that's more of like a weakness in Kansas City or has it become almost to the point where it's a strength where they know how to win these close games?

Man, people are always looking at, especially the way Kansas City is winning, they're looking

to really kind of be critical of them.

I mean, there's ugly wins and there's pretty wins, but the thing you want to just focus on on the wins um they've sustained a lot of injuries um it's really hard to say that hey next man up when the you know pacheco is not a guy that you just his backup is not the next pacheco so it's it's hard to really replace him right rasheed rice what he's been able to do, Hollywood, all these guys had a role. And that offense and defense was constructed based on those individuals roles.
And then now those guys are gone. And so the next guy that's filling in, he won't be better.
If he was better, he would have been starting. So that's why they went and got Dehop because he's more of a guy that can freelance a little bit that's what he does and then with um with patrick so uh i i don't really think at them winning by less is anything i think sometimes they maybe play down to their opponent but i mean they're still only one they've only lost one game so i don't really understand all the it's just more of the hate more than anything because they've been so successful in trying to get that three-peat.
Yeah. We had our good friend Fred Smoot stop by the office last week, and he's an all-time shit talker.
You're an all-time shit talker. Did you ever line up against him, and how did that shit talking go uh yeah me and fred

we had some uh some pretty fun times it's just now we now we're chilling two old men now yeah but i would imagine that's fireworks when you i mean that's i feel like that's has been a match for both of you like if you're like who who could match up against fred smoot in the shit talking department. It's Steve Smith and vice versa.

Yeah, Fred

is British.

He's still Who could match up against Fred Smoot in the shit-talking department? It's Steve Smith and vice versa. Yeah, Fred is funny.
He still talks some good stuff, though. Yeah, yeah.
Was there any cornerback that would get in your head that would know to piss you off? You know, Brennan Brown got in my head a little bit. Sherm got in my head.
I got in Sherm's head. It's funny.
When me and Sherm are kind of in the same area when we're working, we always end up talking. And somehow, someway, I end up always apologizing to Sherm for something I did to him.
It's like every single time. And I don't understand it.
He's the victim every time. Yeah, that's how he gets you.
Don't let him do that to you. He gets me every.
And the way he talks about it, I actually feel bad too. Yeah.
Yeah. He was doing some of the talking too.
Oh, a lot of the talking. He needs to apologize to you for some stuff.
That's all right. Yeah.
We all can't live in the past, man. Some people need to move forward.
Yeah, sure. Steve, I had one last question for you.
It's a rowback question. RHOBACK.coma-c-k dot com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts you're a big golfer how's your golf game going and how's the shit talking on the golf course because that's i would i would love to see that we gotta we gotta get we gotta do a video with you let's do it uh i i'm enjoying golf man i'm enjoying golf uh big time like uh one of my guys right here uh out for the uh out of the office right here with ghost golf um so i've been having with i've been hanging with them a little bit that's one of my partners so i've been enjoying it golf um actually it's kind of weird golf is that place uh there's some there's some stuff about 89, some stuff about Smitty, Steve.

And I didn't even know it was there.

Like, I really, I can't play a lot of rap music.

No trap, none of that stuff on the golf course.

You know, one of the big things I've been in is country music on the golf course, bro.

That's it?

That's the stuff?

Man, some little Jelly Rose, Shaboozy, Morgan Wallen. Like, I just, bro, I've been rolling on it.
It's been kind of dope. Yes, nice chill stuff.
What's your handicap? It's about a 15. The last couple of weeks I've been working.
I played the other day and I was terrible. I mean, terrible.
Like, it was so bad. Me and my driver are not seeing eye to eye.
Yeah. I had to.
It cost too much to, well, I got fitted. So I put it in there.
I put it in the bag and I was just playing with my irons, which which helped helped my game a little bit i was just uh but i'm doing pretty good that's perfect the golf company called out of office that's hank's two favorite things yeah all rolled into one yeah our producer would absolutely love that yeah so have you got a hole in one yet no i have not i've bro i missed the eagle for a birdie i missed the birdie for a par I missed the eagle for a birdie.

I missed the birdie for a par.

I missed the eagle for a birdie and a par.

Okay, so my putting is, as my son Peyton was saying, my putting,

I putt like Ray Charles.

He says, Dad, what are you reading?

I love it.

You should invite journalists to play golf with you.

Yeah. To be friends with them so that they put you in the Hall of Fame.
We need Steve Smith in a gold jacket. And I want to see how they make your bust.
I want to see what that statue looks like. Yeah.
It's going to happen. I just hope it's not the same people that did the Wayne Wade bust.
Yeah. That was bad.
We'll make sure that guy's not involved. Yeah.
They usually do a good job with the Hall of Fame, though. Yeah, they do.

All right, well, Steve, we look forward to getting our hats.

Yep.

You're going to actually do it this time?

You're going to give me your information?

I'll give you all of our information, and we'll have it texted to you right now.

And, yeah, we need the hats.

Send us as many as you want.

I'll get you some. I'll do the L.A.
hats, and then I'll get you some because I'm driving down there.

I'm in L.A. right now, so I'm driving down there to get –

Thank you. We need the hats.
Send us as many as you want. I'll get you some.
I'll do the LA hats, and then I'll get you some, because I'm driving down there. I'm in LA right now, so I'm driving down there to go to Ghost Golf today.
Okay, perfect. Love that.
Love it. If you want to make another hat bed at any time, just let us know.
Yeah. We're game.
Okay. Yeah.
Hey, where are you guys located? Chicago. You got to come check it out.
We got a whole studio. It's Nippy in Chicago.

We got a golf simulator.

We got a golf simulator coming this summer. We got a full court basketball court.
We got

everything. Can we get out there?

Yeah. That would be awesome.
We'd

love to have you. We'd love to host you.

Alright, Steve. Thanks so much, man.

Be well and we're looking forward to the Hall of Fame.

We're excited for it.

Alright. Hey, give me

guys information too. Alright.
Okay. Perfect.
Alright. Thanks so much, Steve.
Thank you. Thanks, Steve.
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Oh.

My girlfriend and her brother are massive Ravens fans, and her brother recently said if Lamar wins the Super Bowl this year, he'll begin to unseat Mahomes as the best QB in the league. Is this crazy glazing, or is there some merit to this? Absolutely some merit.
Oh, okay. Interesting that you would chime in there.
Lamar has two. Mahomes has two.
Does Lamar have two, or does he have two? Lamar has two. We've made this abundantly clear that mvps don't matter on this show with mahomes individual numbers with mahomes individual numbers falling off this year is there any chance people begin to begin to declare lamar's best qb or is that too far-fetched i think this happens a lot with quarterbacks that are you know considered to be the greatest of all time there will be doubters and haters along the way that predict their demise before it actually happens, and then the great ones bounce back against them.
Yeah. So what have you done for me lately? Mahomes has two MVPs.
They won a Super Bowl last year. Three Super Bowl MVPs.
Three Super Bowls. I think that's pretty tough to say one Super Bowl would now unseat Mahomes.
I got a question for you, Biket. Hank just said it's a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately league in regards to Patrick Mahomes.
Yeah, he's back-to-back. This is, I'm saying.
You won two Super Bowls in a row. That's this conversation in March.
11-1. No, listen.
Mahomes is going to be Brady. He's going to win probably a couple more.
If you you're Lamar if you're Josh or if you're Joe Burrow your hope is that you are Roethlisberger Breeze or Manning yeah like that's I'm just being honest with you like I don't Lamar's not going to win five Super Bowls but if you can win one or two then he's going to go down in the hall I mean he's already a hall of famer but he's going to go down as one of the greats. But Mahomes is so far ahead.
The good news is there is time to rewrite the narrative. Yeah.
We know what the narrative is going to be, and it's what Big Cat just said. But at this moment in time, you can think and use your imagination and say, there's still time.
What if Lamar just rattles off four in a row? Yeah, no. If Lamar wins back-to--back Super Bowls then we will start having this conversation because then it would be three Super Bowls to two and same amount of MVPs so he's got you got to get to two before we can start talking about unseating Patrick Mahomes I think if Josh Allen wins MVP in a Super Bowl he's in that conversation too he's got to get to two to start unseating I think if it's three to two you can start having a conversation.
But 3-1 is not. You can't.
You can't have that conversation. What about Russ? Russ wins the Super Bowl this year.
He's got to be in the conversation. You think of 2000s quarterbacks, you think of Mahomes, Brady, Russell Wilson.
That's Stafford. Eli.
Stafford wins his second. I lose a piece of my pinky.
Michigan fan here. I'm buzzing from Saturday.
Last three years have been nothing short of amazing with all the massive wins and championships. Something about watching Ohio State and Ryan Day shit down their pants was maybe even more satisfying than any of it.
I don't know why that is. I can't explain it, but we were just so bad this year.
Didn't matter at all. Then the meltdowndown they had after the game with the flag it was like good porn the game game had me damn near having to cross my legs hiding a chubby even though the football was so awful yeah am i way off base for feeling like this i know hank would say i'm crazy but i don't know what it is man that went hit like crack that all right so he just explained a rivalry and i can't exist you explain winning

it like i understand that feeling like that's you know the patriots beat the seahawks patriots win 28 to 3 like the the buzzing feeling you have after winning a good game literally lasts you for months maybe even years like the celtics winning the championship like i'm still so I get the riding that high.

I do.

For Michigan fans.

And I understand the rivalry and that Ohio State fans should be devastated but I'm I was more surprised at the lack of like let's keep fighting because their season's not over but I I hear the point of them being like well it doesn't matter it's again that's what I I feel like. If I was Ohio State, I would be crushed.
But also like, let's win a national champion. Yeah.
I think the part you're missing is it's basically in part, I guess. It's been four years of Ryan Day being like, we have to beat Michigan.
Like, we have to beat Michigan. And then they spent all this money and they couldn't beat a dog shit Michigan.
Yeah. I mean, you find a lot of joy in winning things and being a personal champion.
You find almost as much joy in watching your, your biggest rivals just piss down their leg and fuck up. Like being a hater is very, very fun.
But what adds to that is if your biggest rivals can absolutely shit the bed while you're still buzzing in the afterglow of a championship yourself. And it's like full.
That's a speedball. When you play once a year and you've been playing for 100 years, you win that game.
You get to talk shit for literally 365 days. And they have the counter like it's been this many days since Ohio State's beat Michigan.
It's brutal. Well, two of those were wins because Michigan.
Yeah, that's true. And that quarter and and i guess the difference too between like the celtics or some of the other championships that were you know easy wins essentially or like never in doubt winning games you're supposed to lose or like you're big 20 point underdog or you're down a lot and then those that next week of of like searching the opposite fan bases cope yeah is the best the best.
Also, Ohio State, this year against Michigan, they're 1-0 in having better players. And spending more money.
Yep. It's also great.
And again, I'm not completely oblivious to the rivalry thing. It is great.
Michigan fans can like, they lose Ohio State. They're watching the playoff games with pure hatred.
Now they can like watch the games and like laugh. They can be like, oh, this is going to be funny.
Even if they win, this is still funny. Yeah.
Our good friend Tom Fernelli suggests that maybe Hank should go to the Big Ten championship game en route against his hated rival, the Oregon Ducks. I mean, Hank has two favorite teams in college football.
It's the Washington Huskies and whoever's playing the Ducks. I got a new one.
And whoever's playing Wazoo.

No, there's a new one.

What?

Nebraska.

That's your new favorite team?

Second to Washington.

Dana signed a contract section.

Yeah.

That's my best friend.

That is your best friend.

Those are two Big Ten teams.

I know.

I mean, Belichick and Dana,

those are two heavy hitters.

Yeah.

But yeah, rivalries in college football mean more than in pro sports they just do it's it's it's what it like it's just why the sport is so so much fun is because the hatred is so deep and like it's all that matters um all right was that it okay uh yeah no that guy by the way is complete everything he says completely right if i were a michigan fan i'd just be watching i mean i even saw i saw a hype video where they had the michigan team going into the shoe and it was a uh song it was a song from sicario and it was one of the coolest hype videos i've ever seen and i'm not a Michigan fan I I I would say that I don't like Ohio State more than I don't like Michigan but I don't like either and I watched that and being like holy fuck I would like to see more I don't know if it that was from Richard not not Richard not down bad right now okay I think the only thing I would like to see more of, I would like to see more Ohio State bar reactions. I feel like there wasn't a lot of those.
Those are always good. Yeah.
Crushed. But there wasn't really...
I guess there wasn't a moment where they get... It was a slow death.
Because those, thinking about the Seahawks like that, those are the greatest videos of all time. Yeah.
Yeah, you have to have a big swinging moment where they thought they're going to win.

Like the Yankees, like Billies.

The Ohio State had the ball for two minutes in the fourth quarter.

It's crazy.

It's nuts.

All right.

Good show, boys.

Numbers.

Three.

PFT, two.

Eleven.

Memes, I'm going to give you.

Nine and nine, Pug. Fifty-eight..
21. You got it.
Oh. Oh! Hey, Memes, have you ever gotten this? No! I did get it.
No, you did. I got it.
No, didn't. PFT did.
I got it. No, no, no, no.
I got it. PFT got it.
I got it. President Pug.
President Pug. Wait.
Why don't you talk to the mic, President Pug? Oh. Hey.
Hey. Respect the office.
Dumb fucking rule. Dumb rule.
Dumb rule. Dumb rule.
Who out of me,ax, memes, Hank, PFT, who has never gotten it?

I believe it was Mimax.

Oh.

Good pick.

He's my job.

I got it.

I guessed that right.

Good pick, PFT.

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

Way to go.

No, that was his number.

That was his number.

That was my number.

That was his number.

You don't get his number.

You don't get to turn President Pug's mug off.

No, you didn't pick that. We live in a society.
That was his pick. You don't get to turn President Pug's mug off.

You didn't pick that.

We live in a society.

That was his pick.

We got deep state memes over here.

You technically did not pick that.

No.

That's his pick.

I got it.

Memes, you're the one that got it.

I got a pug into office.

I got the number.

You did that.

I got the number.

That's his pick.

Guess what?

But I got number two.

No, no, no.

You said, have you ever picked it right? No, no. I got number two.
Have you ever gotten this? No, the question is, have you ever gotten this? Have you ever gotten this? That's what I was asking. Technically, yes.
No, you have not. You've never gotten this.
I think the question should also be memes. Technically, I have gotten it because I said, if you get two, I picked it right.
Have you ever gotten this? Not in the old studio, but in the old studio. No, you haven't.
Never, ever. This is a win.
He's never gotten this. This is a win.
No, it's not. Well, Hank took the three ball out in the old studio.
Oh, here come the excuses. Oh, what? Remember it went missing? Hank honestly lives in your head, Mims.
TFT has a win here. No.
He has gotten the number. I love that.
You are the only one who has not gotten the number. I'm now rooting so hard for Shane and Jack.
Oh, my God. Oh, Shane's gotten it.
Oh, Jack. Jack's guessed like four times total.
Oh, my God. We must get Jack a win.
Oh, my God. I mean, that's way longer than my streak.
Memes, you were so close. Yeah, you have the longest streak by far.
No way. Four years.
someone's got to crunch the data hank's streak was long but i think you went to the old studio to this but i just guessed it right no you didn't i got it memes what memes what was your number i guess no no no no what was your number i'll ask pft pft what was your number i think PFT is bad at picking numbers. What was your number, PFT? Oh, my number was two.
Okay. Two is up there.
Yeah. PFT got it.
I picked that. No.
And also- Pug, you motherfucker. Pugs are going forward.
No, his mic's off. I picked the right number.
His mic's off. Respect the president.
Secret Service, please turn the mic back on. Hank's mic is off.
I picked the right number. Memes is drunk with power right now.
So, but the thing is, Memes, in picking my number, you knew that he would not want me to get it before him, right? So he was trying to pick a number that he didn't think would hit, and he's even bad at that. Is PFT still picking Memes' number, Pug, and vice versa? Mic's off.
This is Memes is I would say yes. What do you guys think? I'll continue to pick memes is number.
If it if it pleases the president. I mean, we got it like we're trying to have a conversation memes.
We're trying to do a podcast. The podcast is over.
Okay. Great job.
Great job, PFT.

Congrats. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
Appreciate it, guys.

I want to thank everybody out there that

stuck with me. All the PFT

riders, appreciate you.

There's so many people in the room to thank.

Big Cat, I want to thank you. All right.
Thanks for coming.

Thanks for coming. Great show.
Max,

thank you very much for sticking with me through

Thick and Thin. NFC Beast for everybody.

Pug, great job as president.

This has been a great era for the podcast.

Shane, awesome as always.

Never forget that really cool letter that you designed that one time,

and the chargers look great.

Jack is doing an awesome job too.

And most of all, there's one other person I forgot to thank,

and that's you.

Love you guys. Thank you.
Thank you.