NFL With Steve Smith, The Jameis Winston Experience, CFB With Brandon Walker And Listener Submitted Pardon Your Takes

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Speaker 1 On today's part in my take, we have our good friend Steve Smith Sr. back on the show talking some NFL.

Speaker 1 And then we have a very special guest, our good friend Brandon Walker, to talk some college football. The crazy rivalry weekend looking ahead to the college football playoff.

Speaker 1 Also, special cameo from Liam Bluttman, number one ball watcher in the world. We're going to talk Monday night football.
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Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 that Jameis Winston is my favorite athlete of all time that I didn't root for on my own team.

Speaker 4 He is the best athlete to root for of all time on not your team. What we saw on Monday night, 460 yards.

Speaker 1 It was historic.

Speaker 4 Historic. And I mean, truly historic, not in the, we love Jameis Winston, we're going to call everything historic type of way, which we will do.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 It was literally historic. He had four touchdowns.

Speaker 4 He had three interceptions, two pick sixes,

Speaker 1 almost a third.

Speaker 4 If you count every yard that was gained by an NFL football player who received any of his passes, doesn't matter what uniform they're wearing.

Speaker 4 He threw for 668 passing passing yards. I love it.
That is the most of any quarterback in NFL history. Second is Vinny Testaverdi.

Speaker 4 And I think he had

Speaker 4 quite a bit less than 668 combined passing yards.

Speaker 1 His passing chart was so funny. 34 for 58, 497, 4 touchdowns, 3 receptions.
Jameis Winston should play every single primetime game. He should be all-time quarterback.

Speaker 1 It was the full Jameis Winston experience where it would be one drive, pick six, one drive, he's just dicing up a very good Broncos defense. Yeah.
And it was back to the Broncos defense.

Speaker 1 And afterwards saying, I know I'm better than this. I'm praying for the Lord to deliver me from pick sixes.

Speaker 1 He's just the best. I love it.
He's the fucking best. And listen, the Broncos are a good team.
The Broncos are going to go to the playoffs. Bonix, not his best night, but he still played well.

Speaker 4 He had a great, great throw. That long touchdown throws.
Oh, yeah. That was a bows and rope.
Yeah, to Mims.

Speaker 1 That was sick.

Speaker 1 And Bonix is the real deal, but this was the Jameis show. Like, I feel bad because, you know, it was going to be Bonex's coming out party.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately, he had to play against Jameis Winston, who, good and bad, he steals the show.

Speaker 4 The Browns have went from, they went from being borderline unwatchable.

Speaker 4 I would say unwatchable. Well, we still watched them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but

Speaker 1 if we could have not watched them, we would have not.

Speaker 4 If I could men in black myself and remove those memories, I would do it. To now they are must-CTV.

Speaker 4 And it sucks that they got flexed out of another primetime game because I want to see more primetime Jameis. That would have been, it would have been the Browns and the Bengals in primetime.

Speaker 4 That game, I guarantee you, that game is going to be just a fireworks display. Jameis might break Norm Van Brockland's record for most yards passing in a game that game.

Speaker 1 It's going to be incredible. And I'm getting retro mad where I was already mad that Deshaun Watson played the beginning of this season.

Speaker 1 And now I'm retro mad that Andy Dalton played over Jameis Winston last year when we were saying it should be Jameis Winston.

Speaker 1 Will he make some mistakes? Yes. But will it be maybe the most exciting brand of football you could ever watch? Also, yes.

Speaker 4 It's exciting. It's fun.
Everybody, if you want to draw on the casual viewer,

Speaker 1 give us

Speaker 4 number one, give us a Simpsons game. Yeah.
Or two, give us Jameis Winston.

Speaker 1 I'm kind of excited for the Simpsons.

Speaker 4 Oh, I've been excited. I'm pumped to see what they do with it.
Like, The Simpsons, that was my entire life going on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the Browns are officially, I mean, they were already out. I think they officially got eliminated.

Speaker 4 Also, Jerry Judy with a hell of a game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, incredible.
Revenge game. Jerry Judy.

Speaker 1 Although it was perfect because it was like he got the revenge, and then the lasting image is him having to tackle a Broncos player off another Jameis Woodson pick.

Speaker 1 The Browns are, sorry, are not officially officially eliminated, but they're out. They were 3-9.

Speaker 1 Even if they won that game, it wouldn't have really changed anything. They are full-on spoiler mode.
And the Broncos, that was a win where it's like they are now on a collision course with

Speaker 1 their, I mean, their Colts game in two weeks is going to basically either be their in or out because that's the two teams. Like the Colts still have to win.
The Broncos are what, two games up?

Speaker 1 But that head-to-head will, if the Colts win, they have a real chance. If they lose, it's the Broncos.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And

Speaker 1 I'm a bow leaver. I'm a reformed bow leaver.

Speaker 4 He's so good.

Speaker 1 He hurt me enough at Auburn and Oregon.

Speaker 1 I love Bo Nicks.

Speaker 4 I also love seeing Jameis and and Bo side by side when they were doing the Monday Night Football graphic where they had them stand in front of the camera and they said, okay, just stand there and maybe twirl the ball.

Speaker 4 And Jameis put on like a full-on improv comedy routine. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He's just the best.

Speaker 4 He's a drug. Jameis Winston is a drug.

Speaker 1 That I want to be addicted to forever.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and there's no downside.

Speaker 1 Well, except the pick sixes, which the Lord is going to help us.

Speaker 4 Well, the Lord also said, Jeremiah 27, 4, 6, intercept them and give them a message for their masters. There you go.

Speaker 1 So we need to get that to Jameis.

Speaker 1 What other thoughts? Anything else from Monday night football? I mean, it was just a very fun game. The Broncos, it's also nice.

Speaker 1 The Broncos are one of those teams that I want them to be in big games because it's just something about mile high.

Speaker 1 And like,

Speaker 1 they're just, they are football to me. I mean, we've talked about it before, but up until, you know,

Speaker 1 up until the Super Bowl, when they win with Peyton Manning, if you look back 30 years, the Broncos were consistently just always there, and they've had a really bad decade.

Speaker 1 And now with Bo Nicks, they got something.

Speaker 4 and it was cool to watch a big-time game on monday night mile high were you also thinking the same way that this game would be just a little bit better if they weren't wearing those uniforms i liked the helmets though i didn't like them i i want to see i like the white

Speaker 4 white on white bronco that's thursday night yeah um

Speaker 1 oh max is on the couch by the way uh Hank had a meeting. We were just doing the intro.
Hank's on the rest of the show. Max, any thoughts? You didn't watch Monday Night Football?

Speaker 1 No, I did not watch Monday. You didn't watch Monday Night Football? No, you know I don't watch Monday Night Football.
But Jameis,

Speaker 4 I'm disgusted with you.

Speaker 1 That's gross, dude. I don't know what to tell you.
What did you watch?

Speaker 1 I caught up on some shows. What shows?

Speaker 4 I'm reading your mind right now.

Speaker 1 Their lady shows. Below Deck.
You watched the lady show. No, I watched Silo.

Speaker 1 I watched two episodes of Silo, made a nice chicken chili. Were you following along a little bit? Yes, I followed it along the entire time.

Speaker 4 Did you not have FOMO of what is Jameis doing right now?

Speaker 1 It's Broncos.

Speaker 1 He's a winner. He's thinking about winning.
He doesn't play.

Speaker 1 These teams have nothing to do with the Eagles. And that's basically.
If the Lions were playing, I would be a good one.

Speaker 4 Well, no, because if the Browns win, then you could be like, that win against the Browns. That means a little bit more.

Speaker 1 Means not. I'm looking at winning the division, getting the one seed.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're looking at Thursday night football. Thursday night football, I will be dialed.
Dialed. Dialed.

Speaker 4 I just wish that you watched Monday Night Football. Yeah.
Our friend Joe Buck.

Speaker 1 I love Joe Buck. Shout out to Troy.

Speaker 1 He's giving us a little nod where he said, I'm a big

Speaker 1 Indiana guy. Yep.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 1 I'm happy that Jameis entertained the people. I'll tell you that.

Speaker 1 So, Pug is in Max's seat, President Pug. Did you watch Monday Night Football? Yes.
Oh, I love him. That's our president.
It's our president. Good job, Pug.
Memes, did you watch Monday Night Football?

Speaker 1 I did. Okay.

Speaker 4 Your thoughts? Jameis Winston is an XQB of of the New York Jets.

Speaker 1 Oh, I didn't see that one coming. Wait, is Rogers,

Speaker 1 were you just wishing something on Twitter when you said Rogers is going to retire at the end of MACV today?

Speaker 4 No, so I'm forced to watch MACV every Tuesday

Speaker 4 because my quarterback does an hour-long interview, and he was reminiscing on how the Jets impacted his life.

Speaker 1 And it seemed like... Oh,

Speaker 1 this is.

Speaker 4 Because they said an announcement was coming, and he was reminiscing, and then it was just a trailer for his new show.

Speaker 1 Ah,

Speaker 1 so you so

Speaker 1 you just torture yourself all week.

Speaker 4 That doesn't sound like something that you'd say if you were still planning on having more memories of that team.

Speaker 1 It seemed like the memories were over. Oh, and what memories they were.
Yeah, he said he met some good people inside the building.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's always a

Speaker 1 relationship. That's always a failure line.
Some really great people in the building.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 1 Damn. Yeah.
So he didn't retire.

Speaker 1 Also, Al Shaher got suspended three games after the Lawrence hit and he also apologized but was it it was kind of weird it was not tap yeah no tapped it dark mode which I think is appropriate yeah solemn occasion

Speaker 4 and then D'Amico Ryan's kind of walked back some of the stuff that he was saying right after the game yeah because he kind of threw him under the bus a little bit and he kind of defended al Shaheer I have been watching I watched the clip a bunch and I did some think I did some ruminating on it okay on the slide the quarterback slide it's kind of weird that the way that you give yourself up to protect yourself in the NFL, like the rule that's written in for quarterbacks, also puts you in a position where you're very likely to get concussed.

Speaker 4 How many times have we seen a quarterback slide, their head is down near the ground, they get even slightly hit on their head, and it bounces off the ground and they get a concussion? Yeah.

Speaker 4 It feels like it's one of those rules where I understand why they did it because they have to protect the Golden Boys. Yeah, what will the guys that bring in the money?

Speaker 1 The alternative is they just get hammered.

Speaker 4 They get hammered, they learn not to run, or they dive headfirst.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because I have seen this take throw around like, oh, the slide is actually making it more dangerous for quarterbacks. I feel like that can't be right.

Speaker 1 I know it makes it more dangerous for quarterbacks in the rare occasion where a Trevor Lawrence hit happens, but how many times do we see a slide where nothing happens and guys give up and they're safe?

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 4 I have no data to back this up. I'm just going on vibes.

Speaker 4 I feel like the slide, you have a higher likelihood of getting a concussion. getting crunched and not sliding you have a higher likely much higher likelihood of getting another injury but

Speaker 1 i agree with that but what i'm saying is the slide i i guess someone has to give us the data but it feels like It feels like you could do, it's like the traffic analogy where it's like you could have no traffic for a month and then the one day you have traffic, you're like, god damn it, traffic is the worst.

Speaker 1 You can never get out of traffic. Like we're reacting to Trevor Lawrence, but how many slides slides happen in a week where nothing happens?

Speaker 4 I think it's also like extending the traffic analogy.

Speaker 4 You're way, way more likely to get into a car crash than you are into a plane accident. Yeah.
But if you get into a plane crash, you're dead. You're dead.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 4 It's very safe to slide.

Speaker 1 But it goes wrong. It's more dangerous than

Speaker 4 if it goes wrong, you're fucked. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I wonder what Tua's thoughts are on this. He's like, no, let's go headfirst.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, some quarterbacks do that. They dive headfirst.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 And they do the little roll. I mean, this also was like,

Speaker 1 there are some times when a slide happens, you're like, that was bang, bang. This was avoidable.

Speaker 4 It was kind of, yeah, it was avoidable, but also we do forget how quickly this

Speaker 1 was a bad one. I mean, he had forearm to the head.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I think it was kind of targeted, and I think it's probably worthy of some sort of a suspension. But three games is a lot.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Absolutely. Max, what are your thoughts? I know you don't watch football, but what are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 CDD's kicking in.

Speaker 1 It's a lot more present when it's right here on the couch.

Speaker 4 I get a good look at him during the show, and I just see him. He's like looking all around the room.

Speaker 3 He looks dizzy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I have ADD, and I think it was a dirty hit, and then the fight was bad. But it's not Eagles, so who the fuck cares?

Speaker 1 And neither of those teams really affect the Eagles, so that's what I got for this. Oh, it's not Eagles.
Okay, well,

Speaker 1 we have a great show because we did an hour with Brandon and Liam Bluntman joined at the end. We have Steve Smith Sr.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk a lot of college football because it's the best time of year for college football. Let's kick it to ourselves and let's get into that discussion.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Brandon Walker is here,

Speaker 1 our college football expert.

Speaker 1 By the way, at memes, I asked you if you could find me their picks so we could do an update at the end between Brandon and Tom Fernelli, because that is to decide the true expert, upon my take.

Speaker 4 And Brendan's very paranoid right now.

Speaker 4 We got a second mic set up.

Speaker 1 Gee, I wonder why.

Speaker 4 And you think that we're not just going to have you on? You think Andy Staples is walking in the door.

Speaker 1 I think Andy Staples could be be behind that door. I think Tom Fernelli.
I think Chip Patterson. I think Danny Connell.
I think Josh Pate. It's just you.
I think Ben Metz could be on the other side.

Speaker 1 That's definitely not happening. It's just you, and we're here to talk ball.

Speaker 4 We're in the office, Brandon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're likelihood.

Speaker 1 We're here to talk ball, and let's start. So we'll do like a mini recap, and then we'll look forward.
I feel good about the standings we had because I didn't even remember we did that on the couch

Speaker 1 last time I was here. Yeah.
But I remember getting the teams. I think I had Oklahoma State, so that was probably.
But you guys had to pick a lot of teams. Like he had Iowa or something.
Ah, okay. So

Speaker 1 I threw out the idea on Sunday's pod, and I know you've probably talked about it, but I think that Ohio State's loss on Saturday was one of the worst losses of all time.

Speaker 1 I think it's a top five worst loss in my life that I can think of. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it is time for a recalculation of what we think worst losses can be because they're not dead at all, and they're going to spend the next three weeks hearing how much they suck and hearing their coach should be fired and hearing how embarrassing this is and it is embarrassing but shit they might get up off the match i agree with you that it changes it that they're not eliminated but unless they win the national title right michigan will then say like if they lose in the college football playoff michigan will say well it was because michigan ended their season well keeping it just a saturday you talk about an ohio state team that was number two had everything to play for and not only that for the last 364 days correct you had three years of embarrassment built up.

Speaker 1 And it was all leading to this, when you finally got a chance to play on an even playing field, you thought, and finally got a chance to take out three years of frustrations, and then you just didn't, and you let them out-tough you on your own home field.

Speaker 1 It's the most embarrassing loss I can remember because Ryan Day is the one coach who couldn't get embarrassed in this spot, and he did. Yeah, he is.
He's the modern-day John Cooper.

Speaker 1 This is who he is now. He's John Cooper, where John Cooper had great recruiting classes at Ohio State and went 2-10 against Michigan.
He can't,

Speaker 1 it's why I love this rivalry. It's why I love rivalry weekend.

Speaker 1 Ryan Day can't get over the Michigan hump. There's something about it.

Speaker 1 He doesn't, it was similar to when Urban Meyer was getting Ohio to a spot where it's like they would just beat the fuck out of Michigan and they meant more for those guys.

Speaker 1 Michigan played their bad football team, and Ohio State played so tense and Ryan Day choked and they had an outside advantage throwing the ball and they didn't throw the ball.

Speaker 1 Also, I did say in our preview, Will Howard was my main bugaboo about Ohio State and that proved true.

Speaker 1 But that was so catastrophic for Ryan Day and Ohio State's program because if they fire Ryan Day, they're basically having to reset for a couple years because you can't fire him before the playoffs are over.

Speaker 1 Well, the playoffs are over. The transfer portal is going to be opening up.
Right.

Speaker 1 I'm going to steal a take from Mark Titus, who did it on mostly sports, but he was right. Ryan Day came out the other day.

Speaker 1 Ryan Day and Chip Kelly, the offensive coordinator, came out and they seemed determined to win the right way. They wanted to show they were tougher than Michigan.
They wanted to show, oh, we're soft.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're going to run it right down Michigan's throat. And that played right into their advantage.
Michigan has the best defensive line.

Speaker 1 They have a great defensive line, and you have advantages everywhere else, but they kept running first down, second down, then third down. They try to throw it, and everybody's covered up.

Speaker 1 Like they tried to win a certain way and they couldn't do it. They never adjusted.
It was a shocking failure of coaching. It was a shocking failure of preparation.
It was a shocking lack of nuts.

Speaker 1 And to be honest,

Speaker 1 your point is correct. They went to the Mercedes dealership this year and got a safety.
They went to the Mercedes dealership and they got a running back.

Speaker 1 And they went to Dollar General and got a quarterback. I have no idea why they did that when Miami's going out and getting Cam Ward and everybody else is doing this and they settle for Will Howard.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I knew, I mean, Will Howard's a nice player. Will Howard should not be the starting quarterback for a $20 million roster at Ohio State in a must-win season.

Speaker 4 Or you can get away with using him if you're going to throw the ball to your skill players that are much better than Michigan skill players. So, like,

Speaker 4 Michigan, when they changed the tide because Harbaugh was like, we're going to beat you playing man football.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 We're going to just be tougher. We're going to shove you around.
And it worked for him. Ohio State still has that advantage of having better skill position players.

Speaker 4 And now, especially, Michigan's not as tough as they were when Harbaugh was there.

Speaker 4 But when Ohio State tries to play Michigan's game, Michigan's still going to be able to beat them at that shitty brand of football.

Speaker 1 But Will Howard also is not a pat, like, he's not a great passer. No.
He's an okay passer. He's not a 45 to 40.
He's not C.J. Stroud.

Speaker 1 So it's like they built

Speaker 1 all the parts around him, and then they gave it to him. And it's like, dude, if you're going to build this team,

Speaker 1 you need to actually get a passer. Yeah, they gave the keys to a race car to

Speaker 1 a four-wheel driver. Yeah.
Like an off-road rider. Like somebody that doesn't belong behind the wheel of something that powerful.

Speaker 4 Do you need somebody from Georgia to drive that car? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Something like that.

Speaker 1 Do you think they fire Ryan Day? Because it actually is. I don't either.
Because I think that firing Ryan Day at this point is going to be very difficult because

Speaker 1 you're probably going to win your first college football.

Speaker 1 The schedule is so messed up in college football, and you lose all your stud players and you have to reset.

Speaker 1 I think they're going to have to wait till they don't make the college football playoff for Ryan Day to get fired. I mean, signing day, this is coming out tomorrow.
Yeah. Signing day is today.
Right.

Speaker 1 This is high school signing day. This is when everybody gets better for the next four years.
The transfer portal is going to open and close by the time the playoff is over.

Speaker 1 So they will not have any window. The players won't have any window to leave Ohio State.
It's why Michigan had a down year because Jim Harbor had to wait till after the national championship to leave.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they were forced to hire Sharon Moore. Maybe they were going to do that anyway.

Speaker 1 And who are you going to hire? The coaching carousel will be done by then. You'll be lucky to get somebody out of retirement or get somebody late in the game.
It's just the schedule doesn't work.

Speaker 1 You need a little bit more roadway to fire a guy in this day and age. And plus,

Speaker 1 They could still win the fucking national championship.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they could. That's what would be so crazy about it.
So, Brandon, the real real reason why I had you on today's show was because. All right, Harry Common.

Speaker 4 Well, I mean, we've talked a lot about Ohio State, and it's probably painful. We have a lot of listeners that are buck guys that are going to be listening to this, and they feel down about themselves.

Speaker 4 They need some advice on how to handle it, how to get over it. You have lost a lot of rivalry games in your life, a ton.

Speaker 1 The eggs.

Speaker 1 That's actually not true. Since 1990, when it went to campuses, it's tied at 17.
So it's

Speaker 4 a lot recently. Not really.
So, do you have any advice for Ohio State students or fans on

Speaker 4 what the next couple weeks are going to look like?

Speaker 4 How you like to get over the fire?

Speaker 1 I'd like to point something out real quick. I don't like to say this a lot.
Brandon's a Buckeye, too, by the way. I'm not.
Our coach died. So that's really kind of unprecedented in college football.

Speaker 1 Not a lot of coaches die. Sounds like you're bragging.
I'm not bragging at all, but our coach did die. So we've been in an unprecedented situation.

Speaker 1 It really doesn't apply to Ohio State at all, at all. And they've lost four in a row.
We've only lost four out of five, so there's no

Speaker 1 real comparison there. Urban Meyer should also be four out of five.

Speaker 4 He almost died several times.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Anytime he almost lost to Maryland, he would die. Sure, sure, but he didn't die.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It is so crazy that Urban Meyer was able to, like, Urban Meyer would lose to Purdue. Right.
Urban Meyer would not lose to Michigan. No.
And Ryan Day has it flipped where Ryan Day.

Speaker 1 That is also not to just really pick on Ryan Day, but it's so crazy that Jim Harbaugh broke his brain to such an extent with the born-on-third thing where he is he he puts so much pressure on himself.

Speaker 1 That was not only the worst loss for Ryan Day just because it was Michigan, that was the worst loss in terms of like quality of opponent that Ryan Day has ever had.

Speaker 1 He never loses schematically to bad teams. And Michigan was a bad team.
They were a bad team.

Speaker 1 It was bad in every way a loss could be bad. And if you lose to Purdue in a season as Ohio State,

Speaker 1 your fan base is mad. They're furious until the next game.
Correct. And then you put it all back together.
Well,

Speaker 1 the next game in this rivalry isn't until 365 more days. The next game isn't really going to, the next game on your schedule isn't going to fix this.
They're going to be mad for a year. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They are.

Speaker 4 There's not a lot. So if you lose to Purdue, you write that off.
It's a trap game. Right.
You overlooked an inferior opponent.

Speaker 1 Oh, well. It's not great.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 But we can get over it. But this is the one opponent that you're supposed to be thinking about all year long.

Speaker 1 And you were thinking about him all year long. Yeah, you've been thinking about him.
To their detriment, I believe. I think Ryan Day said it right.
I think Michigan's in his head at this point.

Speaker 1 Oh, and beyond. He is not himself against Michigan.
They are not themselves against Michigan. They try to pose as somebody there not to beat Michigan, and that's not how you're beat once you do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he tries to do like a fake tough guy. It's like, you're not Jim Harbar.
You're not Urban Meyer. That's not who you are.
You're John Cooper. That's not what your program is.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Boron third base got picked off.

Speaker 1 Your program is having the best players in every position. Well, the wind had strength.
The wind. They didn't account for the wind.
Yeah. I'd say it was windy.

Speaker 4 They could have at least, I know, I'm not saying that Will Howard's the best quarterback in college football. Yeah.

Speaker 1 he's not. Well, he's not.

Speaker 4 But they could have at least tried to get the ball to their playmakers.

Speaker 1 Well, he threw two really bad picks. He threw one pick.
He set them up at the two-yard line. Yeah, he did.
And he also threw a pick where they should have scored points. Yeah.
And it was a bad pick.

Speaker 1 And it's not like Michigan had this overwhelming, like, they were the same bad team they were all year. Their quarterback threw for 62 yards.

Speaker 1 Their quarterback threw the worst pick in the history of football when they were trying to take the lead with seven minutes left. And that's when I knew Ohio State was done.

Speaker 1 When Ohio State got that play, that should have been the light switch. That should have been like, all right, well, we fucked around long enough.
Let's go do it.

Speaker 1 They go run up the middle for nothing, a little dinky pass that gets dropped, and then a run up the middle for nothing. They punt it right back.
And they just were not, they were not ready to compete.

Speaker 1 And you know who probably wins that game? Who? Kyle McCord.

Speaker 1 Oh, Kyle McCord wins that game by three touches. He can pass.
Yeah. He can't run like Will Howard.
Yeah, but they wanted to. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. Yeah, and Chip Kelly is kind of, because Ryan Day has been the head coach and has lost so many games.

Speaker 1 Chip Kelly's game plan and his aggressive or lack of aggressiveness is killing that team. Yeah.
Because not only did it happen against Michigan, but they had a very slow start against Penn State.

Speaker 1 They had a very slow start against Indiana. Nebraska, Nebraska.
They are not coming out and being aggressive offensively and it's killing them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Kyle McCord, like, it is, like, I feel I'm happy for him because I would say it's 12-1 last year. Yeah.
And he and he lost by six points to the national champions?

Speaker 1 Had the ball to 30 to win the game.

Speaker 1 I understand you wanted a mobile quarterback, but yeah, you have the dudes to beat him on the outside. You got to get someone to get him the ball.

Speaker 1 All right, so any other rivalry weekend, I mean, the Georgia, Georgia Tech, here's a take.

Speaker 1 They have to, have to, have to figure out the overtime rules because we can't have a playoff game in that way.

Speaker 1 No, we can't have a playoff game in that way, but they don't want to figure out the overtime rules. They just changed it three or four times.
I understand.

Speaker 1 I'm saying like, there's different overtime rules in the NFL.

Speaker 1 MLB does the guy on second in regular season, then they take that away.

Speaker 1 Georgia, Georgia Tech was an incredible game. So much fun to watch.
I still don't know what to make of Georgia.

Speaker 1 I just know that if we have to watch a two-point conversion to decide a national champion, it's going to suck. It will be absolutely sickening, but that is very, very much on the table.

Speaker 1 Just be like, playoffs get the old.

Speaker 1 Yeah, put them at the 25, put them at the 25. We had that format for years.
One, seven overtime game spooked us.

Speaker 1 I have no idea why one game out of however many college football games are in a year, there's probably a bunch. I have no idea why one game spurred the change.

Speaker 1 But college football will, I feel like that's an adjustable rule that if that were to happen,

Speaker 1 they can go back and just say, you know what?

Speaker 1 For a do-or-die game, for a game that must have a result, we're going to have a result.

Speaker 4 Yes, I think that just doing it the regular way, in a meaningful game, that would make by far the most sense.

Speaker 4 It was so annoying, too, to watch. There's no flow on offense for either team.
You don't have any real drop. It's just like all or nothing on this one player.

Speaker 1 It's coin flip. And I'll tell you what I was really struck by with that game.

Speaker 1 Play calling on two-point conversions, particularly in these situations,

Speaker 1 have really collapsed. They're terrible.

Speaker 4 Okay, so if you have the ball on the two-yard line in a game,

Speaker 4 in the course of a normal game,

Speaker 4 what are you likely to do in that scenario?

Speaker 1 Run.

Speaker 4 You're likely to run the football. For some reason, in this overtime, like coaches' brains get broken.
Correct. And they think we have to pass the ball from the two-yard line.

Speaker 4 Can you explain that to me at all? That makes no sense.

Speaker 1 There were 12 two-point conversions in the six overtimes after the first couple, right? There were 12 two-point conversions. There were two running plays, including the one run that won the game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. When Georgia finally said, we're going to run it, we're going to win.
Haynes King spent the entirety of that game running the football and dominating Georgia's offense or defensive line.

Speaker 1 He was just running for three, running for four, running for five. In a slant.

Speaker 1 When they get to the two-point conversions and they have to have it, they want him to turn into Joe Montana and become a precision passer. And I have no idea why Georgia Tech went away from that.

Speaker 1 I have no idea why coaches try to outsmart themselves and say, you know what, I'm going to roll him out. I'm going to give him options because that's what they're expecting.

Speaker 1 I think they just ran out of their place. Like, I think they go into a game and they have to.
I know, I know.

Speaker 1 They have three or four, like, you know, dynamite tube, but it's crazy given the way the overtime works. You got to go in there with a lot more than three plays.

Speaker 1 But Haynes King, and in regulation, I believe, had 18 carries, something like that. And you get to

Speaker 1 get the overtime and he has zero? Oh, he had one carry in overtime. Yeah.
He didn't score, but he only one carry.

Speaker 4 Sometimes not having options is way better. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But you know what you have to do.
Go that way. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So, and then after the game, the post-game hug between Brent Key and Kirby Snowden.

Speaker 1 crying. Yeah, how long did you clock that?

Speaker 4 I feel like it was a minute hug.

Speaker 1 I didn't clock it. It was at first, I was like, wow, that's nice to see.
Yeah, that's that's nice. Two guys locked in battle.
And then after about 30 seconds, I'm like, all right, let's wrap it up.

Speaker 1 This is getting a little tough. A little, a little much.
Too much. Yeah.
And it was very close. There might have been some neck kissing.
That's how close it was. Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 By the way, we got the list. So

Speaker 1 this is the preseason list where we made Brandon and Tom almost.

Speaker 1 well, there's no way there's any good teams left.

Speaker 1 Brandon and Tom picked,

Speaker 1 they each got 12 picks. And if one of their picks wins the national title, they are our college football expert for an entire year.
I'm missing one pick from each of them.

Speaker 1 I'm going back and listening. So, Tom, but I'll just say the ones that are meaningful here.
Tom has Georgia, Oregon, Tennessee, Penn State, and Alabama, which I want to talk about.

Speaker 1 Brandon has Ohio State, Clemson, Texas, Miami, and Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 Ole Miss.

Speaker 1 Omiss.

Speaker 4 Coach Kiffin's making a hell of a campaign. We should talk about that.

Speaker 1 It looks very even.

Speaker 1 Brandon. Sure.
We're taping this at 2:30 in the afternoon. We don't know what the actual standings are going to be, but we can take a guess.

Speaker 1 They're going to find a way to get Alabama into this tournament. Yeah, they are.
But given the options. So it's basically, as far as I can understand, it's SMU wins the ACC title game, right?

Speaker 1 There's going to be a spot. Alabama will get it, in my opinion.
And I don't think that's the correct pick, but I think that's what they're going to do.

Speaker 1 If SMU loses, as long as it's not a bloodbath, it will be Clemson and SMU. Yeah, to put it frankly, there's 11 spots that are just spoken for right now.

Speaker 1 There's 11 spots, the four in the Big Ten, three in the SEC. You're an ACC champ, your Big 12 champs, your group of five, you're Notre Dame.
All right, so there's 11 spots. SMU and Clemson play.

Speaker 1 If Clemson wins, they steal a spot. Yep.
And SMU, who goes 11-1 the regular season, probably shouldn't get punished. They should take that 12th spot.
I think they will. I think they will, too.

Speaker 1 Now, if Clemson loses, SMU wins. SMU is inside the 11, and that opens up for Miami at 10-2.
That opens up for Alabama, Ole Miss, South Carolina at 9-3.

Speaker 1 I think they would give it to Alabama. I do too.
And out of the three SEC teams, that is far and away the best options.

Speaker 1 That's where we disagree.

Speaker 4 But also, you should preface this: you hate the Gamecocks.

Speaker 1 I hate all SEC teams, not Mississippi State.

Speaker 1 And frankly,

Speaker 1 I see what you're doing now.

Speaker 1 I see what you're doing. Oh, I hate the Gamecocks.
Because that's what every emotional fan base thinks if you say one thing that isn't sucking their dick, that you hate them. No, I don't hate them.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying reality, okay?

Speaker 4 You sound like an emotional fan base.

Speaker 1 If they're in the SEC and they're up against Alabama for the spot and Ole Miss for this spot, and they lost to both of them, Yeah, no, it seems like that conversation's over.

Speaker 4 I think this is a fair point. I just wanted to preface it so that people knew

Speaker 1 you hate the Cox. Yeah, it was an unbiased journalist.
No, you're exactly right.

Speaker 1 I hate out of this group, Alabama, who I live next to my whole life, and my mother is a fan, and I hate her, and Ole Miss,

Speaker 1 who I absolutely hate and wish all their businesses would fail and their marriages would get divorced. I hate them.
You're right. South Carolina is the one I hate the most.

Speaker 1 Okay, so, Brandon, we actually agree that

Speaker 1 you can't just disregard what happened on the field and Alabama and Ole Miss beat them. I think it's going to be Alabama because that's just what they're going to do.
Who should it be then?

Speaker 1 I want it to be South Carolina because I think they're playing the best ball. And in terms of a viewership, I want to see Lenora Sneed in the playoffs.
Sellers. Sellers.
Sorry.

Speaker 1 Oh, I was thinking of Snead from Kansas City. Lenora Sellers in the playoffs.
I want to see them. They've been playing great ball.
I don't want to see Alabama again, who failed

Speaker 1 three times and went to Oklahoma. I really don't want to see Miami.
I know that Cam War is exciting, but their defense can't stop anything. I wouldn't mind seeing Miami because they can score.

Speaker 1 It'd be fun game. But I just think, like,

Speaker 1 it's a flawed system in the fact that you're going to, if you don't put in my, if you put in Miami, that's actually the easiest thing the committee could do because they'd be like, hey, they have two losses.

Speaker 1 You can't lose three times. I'd totally be fine with that.
But like, you know what? Don't lose three times. But if they do go from the SEC teams,

Speaker 1 I want the team that's playing the best ball right now. I think that playing the best ball is a crutch that people are leaning on.

Speaker 1 That's my personal preference. When you say they're playing the best ball, all you're really telling me is they played all the teams capable of beating them early rather than late.

Speaker 1 They did get screwed against LSU. They made a comeback.
And Sellers was hurt.

Speaker 1 They scored a late touchdown to beat Missouri with 10 seconds left. Missouri's not that good at all.
They did that. They won on a last-second touchdown against Clemson.

Speaker 1 This isn't a team that is just rolling everybody all of a sudden. They've won the last six, including four against ranked teams.
Two of those teams were Missouri, who's not good, and Vanderbilt.

Speaker 1 Let me ask you a question. If they keep an undefeated Florida State team out last year because of quarterback issues, shouldn't Sellers being out against LSU? I don't mind that.

Speaker 1 I don't mind the committee looking at that, but I don't think Sellers being out for a quarter and a half against LSU

Speaker 1 is the reason they gave up 36 points to an LSU offense that couldn't score 36 against anybody else. There's also some bad calls.
I think quarterback thing is like if

Speaker 4 they want a reason to keep you out and you have an impact player that's not going to play, they will use that as a reason, but they're not going to give you a benefit.

Speaker 1 I know, which is bullshit.

Speaker 4 Your quarterback was out for a game.

Speaker 1 And I hear people saying that, you know, like Florida State last year, they want to use that precedent. That was a 14 playoff.
That was a once-in-a-lifetime thing. This is a 12-team playoff.

Speaker 1 This team has lost three times. It's not like you're nitpicking to say one thing about them when they lost three times like that.

Speaker 4 One thing you did beat Tom Fernelli on was in the argument of whether or not the 12-team playoff is better.

Speaker 1 If it's good. It's way better.
It's so good. Like way better.

Speaker 4 All these conversations we're having right now, we would not be having these at all.

Speaker 1 So many games in November matter.

Speaker 1 So many games in November matter. Miami

Speaker 1 Syracuse was a big fucking game. This ACC championship game coming up is, I think we will care more about this ACC championship than we've ever cared about.

Speaker 1 The Big 12 championship, the Mountain West Championship, all these games that are winning, get in. Those are playoff games.
They're playoff games. It's so great.

Speaker 1 So I think the South Carolina thing,

Speaker 1 I don't think they'll put South Carolina in. I understand the reasoning.
I'm just saying personal preference. I would love to see them because I think that Georgia.

Speaker 1 You just don't want to see Alabama Alabama again. Yeah, that's part of it.
That's part of it. That's fine.
But Alabama beat Georgia. Yeah.
Alabama beat South Carolina.

Speaker 1 Alabama lost to a really bad Oklahoma. That's true.
They did.

Speaker 1 And they lost to a mediocre Vanderbilt. And South Carolina beat them both.
But they also, South Carolina lost to LSU. Alabama killed them.
Yeah. No, you're right.

Speaker 1 And South Carolina did get worked by Ole Miss. Yeah, like South Carolina.
We're talking about South Carolina and Alabama. South Carolina can't pass Ole Miss.

Speaker 1 Ole Miss beat them 27 to three at their place. PFT was right when he said it last week.
Like, just don't ever let a three-team lost team in. Just put Miami in.

Speaker 4 I don't like seeing the number three. If you're giving an at-large bid to a problem with three losses, I know the problem with it this year is that you don't have that many teams to choose from.

Speaker 1 It's not just this year. If you look back over the last 20, 30,

Speaker 1 if you're talking, all right, we're going to do a 12-team playoff and you retroactively take that 12-team playoff back 30 years. There's three lost teams inside the top 12 every year.

Speaker 1 All the time, there's a three-lost team inside the top 12. So that's just going to happen.
When you say it's a flawed system, you're right. Any system we choose is going to be flawed.
But

Speaker 1 we also are talking on Sunday, they'll have a selection, right? We know 11 of the spots right now.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good. Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 I've been a long proponent of the way to fix all of this is you need to actually embrace college football being an NFL model where you have divisions in each conference and it's the division winners go.

Speaker 1 And they play out of their own conference and then you get to the playoffs. So it's like you decided on the field.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're We're like Alabama and Ole Miss are in the same, say they're in the same division. They want, you know, LSU, Alabama, Ole Miss, Mississippi State.
Sorry, that's a bad division for you.

Speaker 1 Alabama and Ole Miss will be playing this weekend to see who comes out of the SEC South or whatever.

Speaker 4 The real problem is we don't have a set tiebreaker system. Yeah.
So in the NFL, you got the divisions, yeah. But, and, you know, every winner of each division, they get in.

Speaker 4 Every conference champion gets in, but we have no tiebreaker system that's on like a national scale for the at-large bids.

Speaker 1 Under this system, the super conferences are probably a mistake. The super conferences this year have allowed teams, certain teams, I'm just saying, I'm going to say it, Indiana.

Speaker 1 They've allowed certain.

Speaker 1 Let me say what I'm going to say. We're an undaunted podcast.

Speaker 4 You sound a little daunted right now.

Speaker 1 You sound super daunted. You guys are too on the internet.
You know that? No. No.

Speaker 4 Wait, we're two on the internet?

Speaker 1 A team that goes 11-1 in the Big Ten should be in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Absolutely they should.

Speaker 1 Everyone's more on the internet.

Speaker 1 You should block half the internet. I would like you to be undaunted.
Would you allow me to do the point? Would you like to be undaunted? Would you like me to do the point?

Speaker 1 Would you you like to be undaunted? An 11-1 Big Ten team deserves to be in 100% of the time. Indiana deserves to be in.

Speaker 1 However, these big conferences allow schedule disparity that we didn't have before.

Speaker 1 And the schedule disparity allows Ohio State to play every other team in the top five of the Big Ten and Indiana to play none of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, listen, part of my undauntedness, if I'm being totally transparent here, is I have looked ahead and 2026 is the year that I will have to be undaunted for the Wisconsin Badgers because if we can put our shit back together, we can be like a 10-1 and never played any one team.

Speaker 1 I'll use another team.

Speaker 4 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you don't get to say that about Indiana because if you look at, if you want to talk steadily,

Speaker 4 if you want to talk strength of schedule for Indiana, though, I believe that their strength of schedule is now better than Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 Fine. And Notre Dame has a way worse.
I'm going to use another team. Schedule disparity has been caused by big conferences and everybody, all the contenders in the conference not playing each other.

Speaker 1 Texas is another great example. There are six nine-win teams in the SEC.
Texas played one of them. That team beat them by 15 points.

Speaker 1 Like Texas, but Texas is in this playoff, no doubt, because Texas and Georgia didn't play the same schedule. Didn't even play anywhere near the same schedule.

Speaker 1 So, what I'm saying is the system is good. I like the 12-team playoff, but the fact that you've got these 16- and 18-team conferences allows these pockets of bad schedules to affect this.

Speaker 1 That's why they need to do the divisions. And it's not Indiana's fault.

Speaker 1 It's not Texas's fault. They played the schedule put in front of them, but we need to make sure schedule disparity is addressed at some point.
What are you looking at?

Speaker 4 It looks like Indiana. Where's Indiana on this list?

Speaker 1 Indiana

Speaker 1 was

Speaker 1 65.

Speaker 4 Oh, there's 65. I thought they were in the 50s.

Speaker 1 15 was 57. Okay.

Speaker 4 So they're close.

Speaker 1 I think last year. You also can't, we should say, you can't predict year to year because Indiana did play

Speaker 1 the reigning national champions and the team that went to the national championship last year. You can't predict that.

Speaker 1 Again, not Indiana's fault,

Speaker 1 but it is a consequence of of the big conference of teams playing on balanced schedules within these countries. I feel like you can't even predict what the schedules are going to be.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, there's teams will be down.

Speaker 4 I think your point is valid.

Speaker 4 It's not fair to have certain teams have to play a gauntlet and then other teams only dip their toes in.

Speaker 1 But you guys did what a lot of people on the internet are doing. If I use Indiana, for example, because they're Cinderella, if I use them, for an example, people freak out.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Daunted, all this stuff. If I use Texas, for an example, they're like, oh, okay.
Well, you do sound daunted. It's the same as I've been saying it.

Speaker 1 The three lost teams in the SEC, Alabama, Ole Miss, and South Carolina. You know who also has three losses at a big conference? Illinois.
Illinois.

Speaker 1 Syracuse. Syracuse, Illinois.

Speaker 1 Illinois shouldn't have lost to Minnesota, but Alabama shouldn't have lost to Oklahoma. That's why I don't have any sympathy for three-lost SEC teams.

Speaker 1 When Indiana had one loss and there were some two-lost SEC teams, I was like, well, let's take a look at the schedules.

Speaker 1 But Alabama and Ole Miss particularly gave up any advantage they have with strength of schedule schedule when they lost, when they chose to lose to Kentucky, when they lost to Oklahoma, when they lost to Vanderbilt.

Speaker 1 You give up any schedule talk when you lose to bad teams on your schedule. Yeah, great.

Speaker 4 So you sound moderately daunted, but that's fine.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're like... I'm the only person in any world.

Speaker 1 I think you wake up.

Speaker 1 I think you wake up undaunted and then it slowly wipes off where at the end of the day, you go to bed, you're daunted. So

Speaker 1 I'm forever going through a daunting throughout my day. Yeah, right.
As the day goes on, it wears on you and you just become daunted by the majority of it. At 2 o'clock right now, I'm kind of daunted.

Speaker 1 Yeah, oh, you're very daunted. If we were to talk at like 9 p.m., the most daunted.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm the opposite. I wake up in the morning a little bit daunted, like a hangover.
But then as the day goes on, the world gets better.

Speaker 1 You shed your daunting.

Speaker 4 I shed my daunting. Yeah, so I want to give you the opportunity.

Speaker 1 Have you ever been daunted, Big Dad? I'm always undaunted. Actually, no, I was a little daunted

Speaker 1 like

Speaker 1 I was a little daunted in the fourth quarter of Ohio State, Indiana, and then the SEC shit the bed, and I became undaunted. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, Brandon, I want to give you the opportunity to talk a little bit more about old miss because lane kiffin is making very powerful arguments yeah online he's taken upon himself to just kind of he's embarrassing himself as he has most of the the this season you like lane kiffin on this podcast i don't i don't give a shit okay i'm just letting you know that we like that's fine you can like whoever you want okay

Speaker 1 sounds like you guys are daunted why do you think he's embarrassing himself uh because Lane Kiffin had a roster worthy of going to the playoffs Lane Kiffen had a roster he built a roster worthy of winning a national championship he has probably the best defensive line in the country.

Speaker 1 He has one of the five best quarterbacks in the country. He has one of the five best receiving rooms in the country.
He had everything lined up, and he beat Georgia, and he beat South Carolina 27-3.

Speaker 1 This is a team that can compete with anybody in the country, and he figured out a way to lose to Kentucky, to lose to a bad LSU team, to lose to Florida on the road.

Speaker 1 And the entire time, he has been, he whined this year about, oh,

Speaker 1 the SEC didn't give us any night games. Our fan base deserves better.

Speaker 1 Oh, a couple of weeks ago, he's like, it would be a big disadvantage if we went to the SEC championship game.

Speaker 1 A lot of coaches I've talked to don't want to go to it because if they lose, they might be out. Lane Kiffin as the Ole Miss coach should be saying, We want to go to the SEC championship game.

Speaker 1 We haven't won the SEC in 60 years. We'd love to go and win and get to the playoff and do all this.
And now

Speaker 1 he's doing this whining about schedule, and he's whining about strength of schedule, and he's doing all this while all he had to do was beat Kentucky, a four and eight team who won one SEC game at home.

Speaker 1 At Ole Miss.

Speaker 1 He is grandstanding. He is out there appreciating it.
He's out there doing it. And the one thing he didn't do was coach his football team, which was a winner.

Speaker 1 All right, so a lot of things you said are correct, but

Speaker 1 I didn't say anything incorrect. Well, no, I'll just say this.
Nick Saban did this every year.

Speaker 1 But Nick Saban did it when he went 11-1. I understand

Speaker 1 9-3. But I'm fine with coaches advocating for their case.
I would want them to do that.

Speaker 1 I agree with you, like, don't lose to Kentucky, but I would rather my coach try to fight fight it than just lay down and be like, Yeah, we shouldn't have lost Kentucky.

Speaker 1 You got to fight, you got to fight for your guys, but you know when you could have fought? Yeah. When Mark Stoops was beating your ass at your own place, that's a fact.
That's a fact.

Speaker 1 Uh, Brandon, I want to say, okay, a couple of things here about the college football playoff.

Speaker 1 Uh, one, I think one of the dumbest narratives going right now is that uh, it is bad to go to your championship game because I hate it, man. Like, do people understand what a buy is?

Speaker 1 Yeah, a buy is very important in a fucking playoff. That's correct.
Rest? That's rest. And also, you don't have to win a playoff game.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You get all, like, I know that everyone has it, you know, Notre Dame, getting the five spot is actually probably advantageous. I understand that, but I still would rather have a buy.
You have a buy.

Speaker 1 And for some of these teams,

Speaker 1 in certain situations, you could be avoiding a road playoff game. Like, there's so many things.
A buy is the perfect thing at this time of the year.

Speaker 1 You have somebody go out the week before and they wear themselves out. A buy would be incredible.
These coaches should be saying SEC championship game, Big 12 championship game,

Speaker 1 if we make it, we're going to go win. They've got to be saying that.
Saying that it's loser talk is what they're doing. It is.
It's loser talk. I think those teams getting a buy this week.

Speaker 1 Like, Notre Dame is getting a buy this week. But it's not in the playoff.

Speaker 1 But what he's saying is getting a buy for rest. For rest, but also

Speaker 1 a buy in the playoff. Penn State, who is currently ranked higher than Notre Dame, could play themselves out of that five seed.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think

Speaker 1 just because they lose to the number one team in the future? I don't think that they're going to ding teams like Texas, Georgia. If he loses to Oregon, Notre Dame will 1,000% take that five seed.

Speaker 1 Well, Notre Dame is always the tricky one because they will always help Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 But I still would rather

Speaker 1 built for Notre Dame. I still would rather play for a buy because it's a buy in the playoff.

Speaker 1 That's the thing. You don't have to play.

Speaker 1 Playing a playoff game is going to be intense.

Speaker 1 A winner, a one-game playoff game, you could have a bad game.

Speaker 4 It's going to matter if your buy is the week before as opposed to two weeks before, three weeks before. That's a big deal, too.

Speaker 4 Like, if you sit out the championship game, okay, that's a little bit different than sitting at a playoff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you're going too deep.

Speaker 1 A sitting head coach speaking into a mic and saying, we do not want to go to our conference championship game because something bad might happen is bitch made. That's bitch mate.
And that is

Speaker 1 bitch mate. You're undaunted.
It is absolutely bitch made. Yeah, it's bitch made.

Speaker 1 Notre Dame, could they win it all? No.

Speaker 1 I agree.

Speaker 1 But they can beat people who can win win it all. Yes.
I think their defense is elite. It's similar.

Speaker 1 Their run game is incredible. Jeremiah Love is awesome.

Speaker 1 It's similar to kind of Ohio State, where it's like, do I trust Riley Leonard in a big moment?

Speaker 1 Probably not. For me, it's no.
I don't trust Riley Leonard in a big moment. I don't really trust Marcus Freeman in a big moment.

Speaker 1 I think they are built to beat an Oregon, to beat an Ohio State, to maybe beat a Texas. I don't think they can beat three of those in a row, or maybe two out of three.

Speaker 1 I just don't think they're going to be able to put together enough of a passing game. I don't think they'll be able to put together enough of even a consistent run game.

Speaker 1 I think they can beat like if they met Ohio State in the second round, I don't know how the seeds are going to line up, but they could beat them like 14 to 10 and then get beat the next week 17-6 or something like that.

Speaker 1 I don't think they have enough consistent offense to win three games in a row.

Speaker 4 So at their best, each team at their best, whose best is better than everyone else's?

Speaker 1 I think Ohio State's best is still the best in the country, followed by Oregon. You mean with their offensive line banged up? He asked at their best.
Oh, quarterback.

Speaker 1 But no, but at their best right now. Yeah, with the left tackle and the center out for the year.
Yeah, I'm not saying like

Speaker 4 imagine putting their offensive line back.

Speaker 1 It's Oregon or Ohio State. So who can win the whole thing? Because I've been.
Oregon can win it. Ohio State can win it.
Texas can win it. Georgia can win it.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I guess Texas.
I mean, I don't know if Texas AM was good or not. I actually like Texas this week because I think Georgia just went through hell in that game.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I don't know. I don't know.
Also, got embarrassed the way they played against George Levinson. Big time.
Big time embarrassed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think

Speaker 1 Sark as a coach is, I trust him schematically enough to not have that happen again. Yeah.
And even more, I'm not even worried about the players.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying this coach, I believe, will come out here with something to really prove. Yeah.
And it's, yeah.

Speaker 4 I just want to say, I wanted to revisit a conversation we had a while ago, Brandon.

Speaker 1 That's not fair.

Speaker 1 Or it might be fair.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's fair. It happened.
I have the exact date that it happened. Oh, Oh, boy.
It was September 24th.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 The year of our Lord 2024.

Speaker 4 I said to you,

Speaker 4 I like Travis Hunter to win the Heisman Trophy. And you said, I would not make that bet.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 4 I did say that. You did say that.
And you tried to talk me out of it. Big Cat talked me into it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I made the bet

Speaker 1 in August.

Speaker 4 You daunted me a little bit

Speaker 1 in that moment.

Speaker 4 No, I'm admitting, self-admitting. I got a little bit daunted after that conversation because I was saying it with my chest.
I was all in on Travis Hunter. Thank God Big Cap brought me back in on him.

Speaker 1 Thank God.

Speaker 1 August.

Speaker 1 I placed a bit noise.

Speaker 4 You said he wouldn't have the stats. Correct.

Speaker 4 Well, as a cornerback, Brandon, you're a smart guy.

Speaker 4 You know that stats aren't everything for a good cornerback.

Speaker 1 Let me tell you something. Wait, you're a cornerbacker? A cornerback? I don't know what he's saying.
No, as a cornerback, they don't.

Speaker 1 He's in

Speaker 1 a cornerback.

Speaker 4 The stats don't tell the story. They don't give out a lot of speeding tickets.

Speaker 1 That's also not what I said.

Speaker 4 They don't give out a lot of speeding tickets in Amish country.

Speaker 1 That's not what I said.

Speaker 4 That doesn't mean the roads are unsafe.

Speaker 1 That's not what I said.

Speaker 1 What did I say?

Speaker 1 Well, you said

Speaker 1 he's not going to have the stats because of something.

Speaker 4 You said he's not going to have the stats because there will be a quarterback that separates them.

Speaker 1 What I said was:

Speaker 1 if Travis Hunter plays every snap of every game like he is doing for 12 games, he will probably win the Heisman. I said that is virtually impossible.
I just cannot see somebody with his usage rate

Speaker 1 surviving 12 games. Whoa.
What?

Speaker 1 It's virtually impossible, but then he did it, so he sounds like he should be the Heisman. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What are you doing? You don't have to continue talking about it. He's going to win the Heisman.
You don't have to continue. Are you going to vote for him if you had a vote? I don't have a vote.

Speaker 1 If you had a vote.

Speaker 1 I'm not.

Speaker 1 Got your head if you had a vote. No, I wouldn't.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Would you have voted for Melvin Gordon in 2014? No, I would have voted for Dak Prescott.

Speaker 1 You are bullshit. This is why you don't have a Heisman vote.
No, it's not. You talked your way out of it.
Anyway, what I am saying is

Speaker 1 I I didn't think Travis Hunter's usage rate, or I thought his usage rate would cost him a game or two along the way, like it did last year. It cost him one game this year.
It cost him half a game.

Speaker 1 Half a game. It cost him half a game.
And I thought that would happen more often. And I thought his usage rate would slide him down and he wouldn't be able to do it.
He did it.

Speaker 1 He played every game and therefore he is going to win the Heisman. But you can, but you wouldn't vote for him.
Give it to him.

Speaker 1 And even though you said something is impossible, and then he did the impossible. I said virtually impossible.
And he did it. He's going to do it.

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter is going to win the 2024 Heisman Trophy. You guys can stop politicking.
You don't have to keep doing it. We never stop politicking.

Speaker 1 He could be holding it and I'll be politicking. Anyway, I personally would vote for Ashton Genty.

Speaker 1 I think he has had a remarkable year. I think Boise State, what he did against Oregon and his one shot against a great team.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 you don't have to shit on Ashton Gentee just because you're a Heisman band. No, it's gotten ugly.
It's gotten ugly.

Speaker 1 No, it's gotten ugly.

Speaker 1 Ashton Jenny's been incredible.

Speaker 1 I clicked on one anti-Travis Hunter tweet and I got in the algorithm. It's gotten ugly.
They're calling him the Cardio Award winner. Yeah.
Like shit like that. He is winning because of snaps.
Yes.

Speaker 1 He also has a lot of touchdowns. He has 15 total touchdowns, interceptions, and catching.
They're also starting about November, Deion and the coaching staff. He's winning the Heisman.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Which I love. He started to get everything.
Who would you have voted for last year?

Speaker 1 Buddy, I don't even know who won the damn Heisman. Jaden Daniels, Michael Penny.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You remember last year, I was pushing the Jaden Daniels thing early.
Okay, guns are down.

Speaker 1 I was the first one. I was the first one.
Oh, Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 1 Guns are down.

Speaker 4 Yeah, there was a caller into Andy Staples' show that said that Travis Hunter is just good at stamina.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's where it got ugly. I didn't get ugly till they got ugly.
You go low, I go lower.

Speaker 4 I love that take, by the way, for the record. Like, if you're going to be a hater, that's a great line.

Speaker 1 But even if that is the take, he's also the greatest in history.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
Yes. And Ash and Genti's been incredible.
I mean, he has.

Speaker 1 He's very fun to watch. Like, if you don't watch Ashton Genty and you're just like, oh, he's just doing it against Mountain West teams.
No, he is like, guys cannot bring him down.

Speaker 1 I think in some years we give the Heisman away, even though there's not really a Heisman caliber guy. And this year, I think there's two Heisman-caliber guys.

Speaker 1 I think Travis Hunter is going to win it, but Genty could have won it in any other year or maybe any other era because it's just hard for a running back to win.

Speaker 1 How many touchdowns does Genty gets on Saturday or we officially, or Friday, are we officially worried?

Speaker 1 I don't think it's possible. If he gets eight touchdowns, I think it will be worse.
If he runs for 621 yards and eight touchdowns, you're in trouble. All right.
So we should be worried about that.

Speaker 1 You're in trouble. I'm going to bet the under on both.
No, I shouldn't because I should bet the over on both. That'd be a hell of a hit.
That's probably even better than that.

Speaker 1 No hedge, no hedge. We're not hedging.
We're not hedging on this podcast. Congratulations, guys.
No. Stop it.
No, no, no. You won't be.

Speaker 4 No, no. You just said you wanted to walk.
Stop right now.

Speaker 1 Why are the guns out somewhere? Because you're trying to jinx us.

Speaker 1 And the guns will stay out. All right, fine.
I would vote Ashton Genti. Most people are going to vote Travis Hunter.

Speaker 4 Okay, that's why you don't have a vote.

Speaker 1 That's not why I don't have a vote. Yeah, no, it's definitely why you don't have a vote.

Speaker 1 They have 870 people who vote on this award. Do you think one day you will have a vote? No, I don't won't vote for these things.
We should try to give you a lot of people.

Speaker 1 I don't have any votes for the Blitnikoff and something else. I just don't want to vote.

Speaker 4 When they tried to give you one, you said no? Yeah.

Speaker 1 How could you do that for the sport that you love?

Speaker 1 Liam Bluttman, who has votes for LeBlitnikoff and something else.

Speaker 4 Does he have a Heisman vote?

Speaker 1 He doesn't have a Heisman vote. Wait a minute.
Liam Bluttman has votes? Oh, yeah. No context college football is big.
Yeah. Liam Bluttman has votes for multiple things.

Speaker 1 I mean, he watches the most ball, yeah.

Speaker 4 If you call yourself a college football expert, you say that you love the sport. Wouldn't you want your voice as somebody who pays attention and knows what he's talking about? Because

Speaker 1 these awards are mostly bullshit. Like Travis Hunter, for example, is a finalist for the...
See, he's getting dirty here.

Speaker 1 Can you guys listen?

Speaker 1 Why don't you let people talk?

Speaker 1 We actually do, just not you.

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter is a finalist for the Blitnikov, which is for the best receiver, but he is not a finalist for the Thorpe Award, the best defensive back. He should have been.

Speaker 1 He's a better defensive back than he is a receiver, even though he's been great at a receiver.

Speaker 1 There's better receivers than he is, but there's not, I don't think there's three better defensive backs than he is.

Speaker 1 Agreed. Was that a problem? No, I'm fine.
I think he's calmed down.

Speaker 4 He should win both. I've calmed down and the Heisman.

Speaker 1 I've calmed down.

Speaker 4 How come when they do the Heisman pose, they don't actually do the pose?

Speaker 1 I think Desmond Howard broke it. He did.
In 1991, when he did it, he hiked the leg up too high, and I think he broke it.

Speaker 4 It's Berenstein Bears. It's like, yeah, the the statue, both feet are on the ground.

Speaker 1 They're not doing the Heisman, they're doing the Howard. Yeah.
Right. And Howard broke it.
Howard did break it. But the Howard, I mean...
It's cool.

Speaker 1 If you were to do the actual Heisman pose and just do this, but when you hike that leg up.

Speaker 4 Yeah, after you score a touchdown, you're amped up, and then you just put both feet calmly on the ground. Yeah, that doesn't do it.

Speaker 1 It doesn't hit you. Are you pro or anti-putting a flag into the middle of the field? I am anti-the Fuhrer about it.
This has been happening for decades and years.

Speaker 1 And post-rivalry, if if you want rivalries to matter and be great, well, this is what comes with it.

Speaker 1 There are skirmishes, there are fracases, and that's just reality. Just fracases.
They're not real fights.

Speaker 1 And again, I don't like the phrase, if you don't want to plant the flag, beat them. Well, they fucking tried to beat them.
But it's just whatever.

Speaker 1 Here's my problem with anyone who's getting on

Speaker 1 a white horse, no. Ivory Tower, and being like, can't do this, don't do this, white knighting.
Yeah, white knighting. There it is.
Can't do this. Don't do that.
Don't do

Speaker 1 The problem with it is, guess what? Next year, before Rivalry Week,

Speaker 1 every single Fox, NBC, ESPN, CBS, you don't think they're going to play video of all those moments to get people to watch? You don't think the Michigan-Ohio State pepper spray is going to get played?

Speaker 1 So spare me.

Speaker 1 Spare me, Gus Johnson.

Speaker 1 What's the step? Do they ban flags? No more flags? No, I want all of it. I love it.

Speaker 1 I think that's exactly what what rivalry week should mean it's it's it's the that is one of those things that if you take that out of the this sport it's the nfl and they like these are the like it's already becoming the nfl paying the players which i'm all for and my idea for the divisions which i think will eventually happen

Speaker 1 keep college football college football keep this like anger and and this real bitter rivalries like that it doesn't happen it's not going to happen if the chiefs play the ravens in the afc championship game no it's what what it's the tip of the sword to college football right If you want the passion, if you want the fight, if you want all this, then it comes with this.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It comes with this.
And this isn't that big of a deal. Like the pepper spray the other day was crazy.
It's just a bunch of players up in each other's face, yelling at each other.

Speaker 1 That's not a real fight.

Speaker 1 It's just separate them, send them to the locker rooms, and be done with it. That was a tough look for Ryan Day, by the way.
I don't know if you guys saw that. It was a tough look for Gus Johnson.

Speaker 1 No, but yeah, but Ryan Day, like the video standing there, he just literally was just like walked over, like looking like he was like a little kid looking at a car crash.

Speaker 4 He also took pride in his players defending midfield. Like after the game, he tried to salvage a little bit of self-respect.

Speaker 4 He was like, I'm really proud of my guys for what they did right after the game was over.

Speaker 1 Yeah, as he just stood silently and motionless as Jack Sawyer is having a meltdown. I feel bad for Jack Sawyer.
I do too. That one was tough.

Speaker 1 Because the defensive players that came back to win the national title, and they still can win the national title. Defensive players came back to beat Michigan and win a national title.

Speaker 1 And they go 0-4 against Michigan. That's a rough.

Speaker 1 And there was nothing that they could have done. No.

Speaker 4 How do you feel about Michigan these days?

Speaker 1 i don't i i don't really think about michigan at all that's when we talked about michigan for like 10 minutes we were talking about ohio statement about them we were talking about ohio state not michigan uh michigan's a non-factor in college football in 2024 uh brandon

Speaker 1 who which team is

Speaker 1 most likely to cause some chaos in the college football playoff because i'll throw one out for you

Speaker 1 okay you ready

Speaker 1 i'll throw one out for you the one like and what i mean by that is we're talking about oregon we're talking about you know Ohio State, Georgia, Texas. I think Tennessee could cause some chaos.

Speaker 1 Tennessee's defensive line. Another good defense, another good running.
Nico's starting to play a little better. Nico is starting to play a little better.
He is.

Speaker 4 And if he plays at his best, if this is like the new Nico that we're seeing, which we've said that before, by the way. But if he shows consistency, then yes, they can definitely beat anybody.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And Tennessee kind of went through a mid-season slump, and Nico went through a mid-season slump.
I think they're as talented as anybody. They're so bad in that Oklahoma game.

Speaker 1 They're kind of under the radar. Yeah.
No, I agree. I think they have, especially if they somehow get a home playoff game, which I think they should

Speaker 1 probably get one because I don't, I would rather

Speaker 1 one over. Well, I think it's going to be Ohio State or Tennessee.
Because Notre Dame's going to be five. Penn State's going to take one of the home playoff games.
And who am I forgetting?

Speaker 1 And Georgia will probably take another one. They're going to Texas.

Speaker 4 They're going to be right in that flip-flop zone with probably Ohio State.

Speaker 1 One of them might host the. I think Tennessee probably has to get it over Ohio State.
I think they should because they have two losses. Yeah.

Speaker 1 and they have the same amount of losses, but they haven't lost as late as Ohio State lost.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 if that's Tennessee, Ohio State at that 8-9 matchup, is that where it intersects? 5-6-7? Yeah, 8-9.

Speaker 1 Because you would assume, yeah, Georgia and Penn State, or say Texas and Penn State, but Georgia and Penn State, because they both would have, or Georgia would have three losses.

Speaker 1 Penn State could get a buy. The way you keep saying Penn State.
Well, they could.

Speaker 1 I'm just throwing out who's favored in the game, Max. Yeah.
Cool down. It's a three-point.
I understand. He's throwing out his favorite dude.

Speaker 1 But do you know how annoying it is if I say Oregon, Penn State, Texas, Georgia? It's the loser of Oregon, Penn State.

Speaker 1 Okay, the loser of Oregon, Penn State will get a buy, or will get a home playoff game. The loser of Texas, Georgia, will get a home playoff game.
Notre Dame will get a home playoff game.

Speaker 1 Ohio State and Tennessee. Boy, if I'm Oregon.
Oh,

Speaker 1 what are you doing?

Speaker 4 It's college football expert, Liam Blunt.

Speaker 1 He turned on his microphone. So there wasn't.
No, there was not. I just texted him when I found out he had votes.
Oh, I will always talk ball with Liam Bluntman.

Speaker 1 Liam Bluttman, our college football, most, the number one ball watcher. Mike's not plugged in.
Mike's not plugged in. What's your proposal?

Speaker 1 You can take brands, Mike. He's a man of few words, the number one ball watcher in America.

Speaker 1 I have said that many times. I just said it.

Speaker 1 Liam Bluttman has joined us very quickly. Liam Bluttman, I have a simple question for you.
A simple question. I don't have a producer who knows how to plug into Mike.
He knows how to plug in.

Speaker 1 You hate producers, Brands. All right.
Yeah, you are. You're like Ellen DeGeneres around here.

Speaker 1 Liam Bluttman. You don't look like Ellen.
If you had a vote. No, I don't.
A little bit.

Speaker 4 You do. Yeah, I can see it now.

Speaker 1 If you had a vote for Heisman, who would you vote for?

Speaker 1 If I had a vote for the Heisman,

Speaker 1 I would vote for Ashton Jenti.

Speaker 1 Get out of here. Get out of here.
Get out of here. I would happily be okay with Travis Hunter winning because I think that these are the two best Heisman-like contenders that we have had in so long.

Speaker 1 That's what I said. Neither is a

Speaker 1 door should be number three in the Heisman voting, too. I don't know what's going on there.

Speaker 1 Split votes.

Speaker 1 That is a possibility.

Speaker 1 I think I would personally vote for Genti. I think it's not talked about enough that the second-lane rusher in the country is Aston Genty after contact.
I think it's incredible. I said that.

Speaker 1 He's hard to bring down.

Speaker 1 It's crazy to watch. His Heisman run.

Speaker 1 Backfiring PFT. His Heisman run was derailed because of injuries.
Foot injury.

Speaker 4 Stamina is important.

Speaker 1 Stamina is important. He was in a booty.
Didn't win the stamina award? What all

Speaker 1 votes?

Speaker 1 Tell us all the votes you have, by the way. What votes do you have?

Speaker 1 Balitnikov? Balitnikov. Are you going to hunter for that?

Speaker 1 I vote for Nick Nash. Yes.

Speaker 1 Nick Nash.

Speaker 1 One of my big things about

Speaker 1 wanting so badly again to the voting scene personality thing in college football was the group of five representation, representation for all the other people that didn't do it.

Speaker 1 So I thought to myself, if I don't vote for Nick Nash,

Speaker 1 you've become who you hated. Correct.
So four years ago, Liam would be livid. You know, like Jarrett Stearns got robbed of his bulletinikoff right a few years ago.

Speaker 1 So Nick Nash, triple crown leader, it's kind of a no-brainer. Yeah, he's electric.
What other votes you have? Davy O'Brien?

Speaker 1 Shadore. Okay.

Speaker 1 What else?

Speaker 4 I'd like to give you a low-man trophy vote.

Speaker 1 I voted. Okay.
North Dakota State's fullback. Oh, okay.
All right. Tough name to say, but

Speaker 1 did you also just out yourself as being biased towards Ash Agenti over

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter? That's a great point, Max. That's a great point.
You said you just outed yourself for being biased towards

Speaker 1 Ash and Genti over Travis Hunter. You did.
Because he's G5. Yeah, you did.

Speaker 1 That's a fair point. PFT, do you want to do the lowman nominees?

Speaker 4 Yeah, we actually have the list.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so let's finish with that. Oh, actually, before we finish with that, Bluttman, answer this one question.

Speaker 1 We're taping this again at 2.30 in the afternoon, but

Speaker 1 they're going to get Alabama in, aren't they? Alabama's 100% in the population. it sucks, but it's going to happen.

Speaker 1 So they would go in over SMU who loses, or they go in over

Speaker 1 Clemson. All right, Clemson loses.
Would they go in over SMU if they lost to Clemson? That would be the travesty. That would open up two spots, though, wouldn't it? No, no, if Clemson beats it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Clemson's still. That would be the travesty.
SMU should be in over Alabama if SMU loses the championships. I think SMU's in regards to.
I mean, Alabama's in regardless? Yes.

Speaker 1 And I don't think they should be, but as a fan of college football,

Speaker 1 against it, I kind of love the chaos factor of Alabama getting in there and make stuff happen. I just

Speaker 1 the fact that we would get like a three-loss Clemson and a three-loss Alabama in would just suck. Zombie Dabbo.
Yeah. All right.
Let's do the low man.

Speaker 1 This is unveiling the finalists for the low man award, which we're going to be announcing the winner in a couple weeks. Yes.
Does Brandon have a vote?

Speaker 4 Brandon does have a vote. Okay, nice.
He has not given his vote yet, though.

Speaker 1 I did not.

Speaker 1 submit the ballot.

Speaker 4 This is why you don't have a Heisman vote. No, it's not.
You don't do the paperwork.

Speaker 4 I gave you a vote, and you asked me to shoot it.

Speaker 1 You asked me yesterday at 5 o'clock. I didn't know that.
You didn't put a clock on me. I didn't know that we were doing this.
I only gave you 22 hours.

Speaker 1 That's what you're right. That's on me.
All right, Bubbin, if you have anything to say about any of these guys at PFT lists,

Speaker 1 feel free.

Speaker 4 So we consulted the panel, very prestigious panel of current former fullbacks, and they submitted these names. These are the most common names.

Speaker 4 And then we will narrow them down and have a winner in due time. Max Breedeson, Michigan.

Speaker 1 Kanye Udo. Like that name.
Army. Kanye is great.

Speaker 4 Christian Moore, UNLV.

Speaker 1 Steve-O'Klotz, Iowa State.

Speaker 4 You like Klotz?

Speaker 1 I like the most of Art Brasson.

Speaker 4 It's a great name, Steve-O'Klotz.

Speaker 1 Steve Oklahoma. It's on the right.

Speaker 4 That's what you think about when you think about a fullback. Gabe Fisher from Vandy.

Speaker 4 Eli Heidenreich from Navy.

Speaker 1 That's also a great name.

Speaker 4 Yeah, great name. It means Argentina.

Speaker 1 Heidenreich.

Speaker 4 Tyler Crowe from Boise State.

Speaker 1 He was very good. Even took a few carries over for Genti because their RB2 and RB3 were hurt.

Speaker 4 Oh, so Genti system back.

Speaker 1 Sounds like it. I can't say anything around these guys.
Oh, I jump on it. They're very good.
We allow them to say what they want. They are great for college football brands.
Thank you, Leigh.

Speaker 1 Thank you. You're a great football football.
Thank you. Why are you talking down to me?

Speaker 4 I think Lin might be a great football.

Speaker 1 I'm not a single-handedly going to win Travis Hunter of the Heisman. You got to give him some respect.

Speaker 4 Thank you. I think he had something to do with it.

Speaker 1 He definitely had.

Speaker 1 And I just, I don't think two people can do anything single-handedly. Double-handly.
You can. Quadruple-handly.

Speaker 1 Okay. Grandma Francisco.
I thought. That's what I thought.

Speaker 4 And then the final. Actually, no, I'm going to add yours, Liam.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Truman Wehrmeyer.

Speaker 4 How do you pronounce that?

Speaker 1 Truman Wehrmeyer. How he just said it.

Speaker 1 Truman Wehrmeyer. Straight out Fargo.
Fargo kid went to play at NDSU.

Speaker 4 North Dakota State.

Speaker 1 Now look where he's at. Rich Heritage.
Still at NDSU.

Speaker 4 And then the final nominee, this was actually from the AWLs. I allowed them to nominate somebody.
And truthfully, I would have nominated this guy as well. Brock Lampe

Speaker 4 from Northern Illinois. Instrumental in their defeat of North America.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 4 So that's your list. Max Bredesen, Bredison, Kanye Udo, Christian Moore, Steve O'Klotz, Gabe Fisher, Eli Hayden Reich, Tyler Crowe, Bluttman.

Speaker 1 Oh, Tyler Warmire.

Speaker 4 And Brockman. Truman Warmeyer.

Speaker 1 Truman Warmire.

Speaker 4 So that's the list, and we will get the final votes.

Speaker 1 Is this given to the fullback who had the best season or the man who looks most like a fullback?

Speaker 4 This is given to the top fullback.

Speaker 1 I'd say both of those meet the criteria.

Speaker 4 If your name is Brock, you have a much higher percentage of the menu. I mean, Klutz

Speaker 1 in good shape.

Speaker 4 Steve O'Klotz, yeah.

Speaker 1 Historically, if you played for Armed Forces Academy or Wisconsin or Iowa, you had a good shot.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but I mean, that's just where the best fullbacks go. Yeah.
And I think we do a good job of awarding them because we have like, you know, professional fullbacks, people that take this seriously.

Speaker 1 He just showed me the North Dakota State fullback. Let me see him.
He looks awful fullbacky.

Speaker 4 He looks very fullbacky.

Speaker 1 Are we talking neck roll? I'm talking dreamy fullback.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a fullback.

Speaker 4 He's got the nice fullback tilt right there. Yeah.
Where he's like not all the way hunched over, but he can still run your ass over. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, this has been fun.

Speaker 4 Boys. You know what I love about the college football playoffs? What?

Speaker 4 I just realized after having all these conversations, they've secretly turned us, they've tricked us into doing math, but just with names of schools.

Speaker 4 Like we're doing algebra, like probability, if this team beats this team. And they made us learn a quadratic formula.
Yeah. A brand new one in like 12 months.

Speaker 1 Our

Speaker 1 skills are off the charts.

Speaker 1 And you could have just looked in the back of the book and seen written Alabama. Yeah, the entire time.
You could have figured this out.

Speaker 4 It's like how your dumbest friend from high school was tricked into learning the metric system. Yeah.
Buying and selling drugs.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like Nikki Smokes could do grams to ounces

Speaker 1 faster than Google Calendar. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Boys, thank you.
Brandon, great job. Yep.
Two-time PMT guests. Liam Buttman, one-time PMT guest, three-time.
Oh, yeah. Dingers only.
Which, are you ready for that? I'm ready.

Speaker 1 We're finally going to do it. I won dingers only.
You did? I've received no prize.

Speaker 1 No, your prizes. You get to come with us, and it's going to be a hell of a video.
All right. It's going to be a hell of a video.
Excited. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 You're running to generous.

Speaker 1 It's okay. You're not generous.

Speaker 1 Liam, first time PMT? I think.

Speaker 1 Well, no, I love that. I love that.
I think. Yep.

Speaker 4 College football expert.

Speaker 1 Let's make sure you get to four before Brandon gets to four.

Speaker 1 Five years, man. 3, 9, 25.
All right. See you guys.

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Speaker 1 Oh, Henry, hot seat cool thrown.

Speaker 3 My hot seat are the best players on NBA teams that don't play back-to-backs.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit, you stole mine. Load management? Maybe you didn't.

Speaker 3 Jalen Brown.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Eastern Conference Finals MVP. Okay.
NBA Finals MVP.

Speaker 1 Aura MVP. Aura Champion.

Speaker 1 King of the Aura on the Celtics. Batman.
99% of the Celtics Aura. Actually, no.
50%.

Speaker 1 50% Joe Missoula.

Speaker 4 49% Joe Missoula, 1% Peyton Pritchard.

Speaker 1 Yeah. At the end of quarters.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Luke Cornette.

Speaker 3 He didn't play Saunders. He was sick.
And then he played on Monday. Celtics won.
And I think he was talking about missing the back-to-back.

Speaker 3 And he said, it's hard for teams to be great if some of your best players don't play back-to-backs.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 3 anyone, you know, I don't know who falls in that category.

Speaker 4 I guess you could probably look at the, there's probably some website that shows, you know, percentage of NBA players that don't play back-to-backs but I think after anyone that wants to be great after everything he's done for the city I think Boston can give him a pass yeah no he you know he he acknowledged it he's like I wanted to you know I want to play back-to-backs I was just feeling sick right he wants the reason you want to play is because it's hard to be great if you don't yeah showing up you have to show up to be great and I think yeah if I I think that star players can get away with doing that if they've got results you know if they if they've got pelts on the wall right if they can say I want a championship there's no doubting my commitment to this team.

Speaker 1 Also, they lost Sunday.

Speaker 1 I mean, it is an interesting strategy if you're like the Celtics and you have a pretty loaded team to schedule your back-to-backs correctly where it's like one night Jason Tatum sits out, one night Jalen Brown, you probably win both games.

Speaker 1 No. But this is also that's loser mentality.
Okay, all right, all right. He said it.
He said, if you want to be great, it's hard to be great if your best players don't play back-to-backs. That's true.

Speaker 4 It's a good point.

Speaker 1 Is there anyone who doesn't play back-to-backs?

Speaker 3 Like, there's got to be a bunch.

Speaker 1 No, LeBron plays back-to-backs. That's my cool tone.
We'll get to it. LeBron played back-to-back at 40 years old, 39, about to be 40.
Is there anyone else? Is the boot.

Speaker 1 The guy you're referring to doesn't even play single games anymore. So I don't even remember.
He doesn't play backs. Oh, Kawhi? He doesn't play backs, let alone back-to-backs.

Speaker 4 Oh, no, Paul George. Paul George.

Speaker 1 I think Paul George is back tonight.

Speaker 1 By the way, NBA Cup, we do release our picks every Tuesday.

Speaker 1 Max is really bad. Yeah.
Really bad. What's your record, Max?

Speaker 1 I am sitting out this NBA season.

Speaker 4 What's your record, though?

Speaker 1 Bad. I don't know.
Bad.

Speaker 3 Even the NBA Cup season?

Speaker 1 So we're in a competition. I'm going to keep doing my picks, but I'm just so bad at it.

Speaker 3 What an endorsement.

Speaker 1 I'll say it.

Speaker 1 I'm a full NBA Cup guy.

Speaker 1 I thought that it was lame last year, but the courts I love.

Speaker 1 The what?

Speaker 1 The courts I love. You're just digging your heels into that.
I do. I like the courts.
I like something different. The courts I love.

Speaker 1 I also love the fact, and this is probably because I like to gamble on overs, that teams are playing for point differential.

Speaker 1 That makes it fun, where it's like at the end of a game, where it shouldn't mean anything. Teams are still trying to score to get the point differential up.
I'm an NBA Cup guy.

Speaker 4 I am locked in on the NBA Cup.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I've never been this hot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, never. Yeah, no, you are.
Yeah, you're blazing.

Speaker 3 The Wizards, because it started last year, I think they're like the worst team in NBA Cup history.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Setting records. This is part of the plan.
It's the process.

Speaker 1 But Max is getting Cooper Fluff.

Speaker 4 No, he disavowed. So, wait, Max, what is your record for the NBA Cup?

Speaker 1 I am two and seven on that.

Speaker 4 That's tough, not good. That's tough.

Speaker 1 I think I'm like six and three or something. Yep, you are exactly six and three.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 no idea.

Speaker 1 No, but uh,

Speaker 1 do follow us. We're playing it.
What am I? Oh, five and four. I was just curious.
You're eight and one. I'm eight and one.
I'm eight and one. Oh, we're asking for records, memes.

Speaker 1 What did you go on Sunday in the NFL picks?

Speaker 1 I went 0-1.

Speaker 1 On the NFL picks? On Sunday? On Sunday, I went. On Sunday 8.
Oh, semantics. But yeah, the NBA Cup.
We're releasing our picks on all of our socials on Tuesday. We're in a competition.

Speaker 1 So follow along, follow PFT. He's hot.
He's a woman. Where's the winner?

Speaker 1 $10,000 free bet.

Speaker 4 You know what?

Speaker 4 If I get the free bet. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm going to Mississippi. I'm going to hang out for a while.

Speaker 1 Here, say something nice about the Sixers. Ready for it?

Speaker 1 I am a full.

Speaker 4 This wasn't about the the Sixers, by the way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it wasn't that. It wasn't.

Speaker 1 Don't play back to that. Say something nice about the NBA.
I'm a full-blown Jerry McCain fan. Stan.
I've watched all his TikToks. He is.

Speaker 1 The fact that he pisses people off makes me like him. But then, more than that, watching his TikToks, it's the old rule of if you watch something.

Speaker 1 If you watch someone do something that they genuinely love, it kind of puts a smile on your face. He genuinely loves doing TikToks, and I find myself smiling when I watch him.

Speaker 4 I also love the fact that he's awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no,

Speaker 4 like if he's making the TikToks and he's stunk, would be different, then everybody would be like, fuck this guy.

Speaker 1 I'd still be a fan of the TikToks.

Speaker 4 Well, what happens is he makes people so mad with the TikToks, and then he goes out and he just drops an insane game on you and tells you that he's rookie of the year, and it makes his opponents so much more angry at him.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah,

Speaker 3 I have a yes or no question. Okay, that would be good, I think, to get on the record.

Speaker 1 It's a good segment.

Speaker 3 Three years from now,

Speaker 3 will the city of Philadelphia have broken

Speaker 3 McCain?

Speaker 1 No, I think they're embracing him. Simmons, yeah.

Speaker 3 They've broken Embiid.

Speaker 1 Oh, man, that's a good question.

Speaker 1 Tyrann Maxie?

Speaker 4 It's a good question.

Speaker 1 Tyrus Maxie might be broken. No.

Speaker 1 Mentally, I mean, he's got to deal with Joel Embiid. I mean, you're

Speaker 1 elephant in the room. You're forgetting about the elephant in the room.

Speaker 3 Maxie's always been, like, he hasn't, you know, he's he's one A, one, but he's never been, like, Embiid, you know, got all the shine. Simmons got all the shine.

Speaker 3 Now McCain is really getting all the shine on the Sixers and still not Maxie. So, yeah.

Speaker 1 Max, I will fight for you to not have that happen because I like Jared McCain's.

Speaker 3 This is a yes or no question.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say yes. I think it's completely fair to ask that question.

Speaker 4 Because it is like

Speaker 4 the second things start going poorly, it's very easy to be like, this guy needs to get off TikTok.

Speaker 1 How are the Eagles playing? That's the question. It has to become a point where we stop talking about the Sixers in the three weeks.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 we're talking the NBA play.

Speaker 1 We're talking about the NBA cop. We're talking about...
Named Ben Simmons and Joelle MB.

Speaker 1 Explain to me how that is not talking about the Six.

Speaker 4 Max, we're talking about the rookie of the year.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Max, National Sports Podcast.

Speaker 1 Hank just brought up Ben Simmons and Joelle MB. See, I disagree, Max.
I think we're allowed to talk about the Sixers until Christmas Day. If they don't have 10 wins, then they're done.

Speaker 1 That's the deal. End of Christmas Day.
End of Christmas Day. If they don't have 10 wins, then they're done.
Philadelphia is broken.

Speaker 3 And Bede Simmons, that robot.

Speaker 1 The Liberty Bell. The Liberty Bell.
Liberty Bell.

Speaker 1 That robot. Fuck that robot.
The robot. Yep.
Yeah, I'm with you. Snick Siriani's brain.

Speaker 1 No, Siriani's all the way back.

Speaker 1 Oh, all the way back. Oh, my God.
If you don't think he's got a little crazy, that he's just waiting for the first crack, he's just going to shave his head again.

Speaker 1 Baldiani undefeated. They broke Carson Wentz.

Speaker 1 Donovan McNabb.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, no.

Speaker 4 Ryan Howard. Mike Shanahan broke him.

Speaker 1 You just booed him on the way out, didn't you? Not me. Okay.
Ryan Howard.

Speaker 4 You broke Trey Turner, then you put him back together. Yep.
Yep.

Speaker 1 How about that? He's like Humpty-Dumpty. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Good hot seat, Hank, about the NBA.

Speaker 1 What's your cool throne?

Speaker 3 My cool throne is getting hacked.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 3 Did you guys see this? No.

Speaker 3 Obviously, congrats to Josh. He got engaged over the holiday break.
Yeah, Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 Our guy.

Speaker 3 Kaylee Steinfeld.

Speaker 3 Steinfeld? Steinfeld.

Speaker 1 Steinfeld. Steinfeld.
Steinfeld.

Speaker 3 His ex, Brittany, was someone, I think she posted a TikTok and someone commented asking her, like, you know, when is she going to get another athlete boyfriend or something? And she replied,

Speaker 3 her account replied, sorry. Luckily, my boyfriend owns a team and doesn't play for one.
Don't have to be with another brain-dead CTE athlete.

Speaker 4 That's mean.

Speaker 3 Also, listen, about an hour later, she posted on Instagram. She said, I got hacked.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's definitely what a hacker would do. I think she, when was this?

Speaker 4 This was on Friday?

Speaker 3 It was like after the news broke.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think she probably got hacked by Pino Agrigio.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Most hackers will have a very specific reply

Speaker 1 about how you're actually living your best life. Is Brittany? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's the nicest hacker ever. Yeah.
To just be like, now I'm going to come to my girl. I hacked this girl's account and now I'm going to come to her to defend.

Speaker 4 Actually, the person's account who I hacked, they're doing great.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't even know.

Speaker 3 She got hacked by a Chiefs fan trying to slander Josh Allen. They're thriving.

Speaker 4 She's focusing on herself, which honestly she deserves to do. And by the way, Britney is the most ex name of all time.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Every Britney is somebody's ex. It's Britney Betch.

Speaker 4 Good job, Hank. Nice job, Hank.

Speaker 1 Thanks.

Speaker 4 My hot seat is Hank.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 4 Hank, who are the members of the Four Aces?

Speaker 1 Uh-oh.

Speaker 3 Dustin Johnson.

Speaker 3 Varner.

Speaker 1 Perez.

Speaker 3 It's not you you line because you just won a DP World tour event.

Speaker 4 Double penetrations?

Speaker 1 Come on, Hank. I don't know.

Speaker 4 You know this guy.

Speaker 3 Is he old?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 You got to make sure you keep track of your

Speaker 1 wallet.

Speaker 4 His wife has burners.

Speaker 1 Maybe hacked. Oh,

Speaker 1 Pat Reed. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Actually, incorrect, Hank.

Speaker 4 There's a fifth ace.

Speaker 4 They just acquired Thomas Peters from the Range Goats. So there are five four aces right now.

Speaker 1 You knew that Thomas Peters was on the Range Goats? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 So there are five four aces. Pat Perez's contract ends on January 1st.

Speaker 1 So as of right now. That's awkward.

Speaker 4 There are five four aces.

Speaker 4 That's very awkward. So can you remember those? We'll quiz you on those later.

Speaker 3 So Perez out.

Speaker 4 Perez out, Peters in.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's a stacked team.

Speaker 4 Yeah, my other hot team is Michael Greenberg.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 4 Because baseball is implementing some very dumb rules. Maybe.
They're floating some very dumb rules.

Speaker 1 Oh, I haven't heard this.

Speaker 4 And this sounds like it's right out of Mike Greenberg's brain. That's why he's on the hot seat for not thinking of this first.

Speaker 4 Rob Manford is talking about the winter meetings and all the stuff that gets discussed in the offseason baseball, whatever that might be.

Speaker 4 And there's a new rule that he says has a lot of buzz going around the meetings. Okay.
It's called the golden at bat.

Speaker 4 The golden at bat is a rule change that MLB is considering implementing.

Speaker 1 Can I guess what the golden at bat is? Yeah, yeah, guess. Because I actually think this would be awesome if this is what it is.

Speaker 1 At any point in the game, you can go out of order and put anyone up.

Speaker 4 You can put one player up, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, is that it? That's the golden hat. Oh, I love this.
Now they're floating out. It's a Shohei rule.

Speaker 4 They're floating out the idea that it might be only if your team is trailing.

Speaker 4 And then they have to figure out what's going to happen if, like, if you want to move Shohei up like two spots in the lineup, and then he gets on base, and then his turn comes around in the order, does he get to bat again?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Or do they have to like flip-flop his ghost runner i would love a ghost runner ghostrunner would rock ghost runner would be awesome uh isn't there isn't it isn't there a mathematical way though where you could just put him like five spots back where it would basically be mathematically impossible for him to be on base no with no the amount of outs no five spots back or whatever yeah it would be it would be a certain amount yeah yeah i don't know what i think yes five is just a random number yes where it could be bases loaded and you have two outs that's the worst case scenario yeah like let's just say if he bats first

Speaker 1 the second guy gets on, the third guy gets on, that's bases loaded. And then, let's say the fourth gets out, the fifth gets out, so seventh.

Speaker 1 Sixth would be up seventh. So first and seventh.

Speaker 4 You could do it, but I think the idea is that when you have

Speaker 4 a hitter that's up that you don't think is going to get a hit, then you can be like, hey, instead of Aaron Judge hitting, let's just have John Carlos Stanton hit twice.

Speaker 1 I like this rule. I think that makes it cool.

Speaker 4 Baseball hard arts are going to be

Speaker 1 so mad.

Speaker 1 Think about the ninth inning when you're like, oh,

Speaker 1 you know, Shohei made the last out, but he can bat again, and we're down two. That's cool.

Speaker 4 This is one of those rules that it sounds fun to talk about because this is what baseball does.

Speaker 4 There's just like so many different opportunities to make the game more entertaining that you have an endless supply of like wrinkles that you can put in.

Speaker 4 But once it gets in the game, I feel like that's going to be very weird to watch.

Speaker 1 I don't think I'm going to like it. I like

Speaker 1 it. I like this.

Speaker 1 It's a great idea. Yeah.
You know what they should... need to do to make it even though is the

Speaker 1 defense the pitcher should you should be be able to bring one pitcher back.

Speaker 4 Golden arm

Speaker 1 because then you could like bring in a guy to pitch against a lefty, then put him back in the bullpen, and then bring him back in. I don't know, that would probably get confusing.

Speaker 1 I like the golden bat rule, though, because it does, it just makes it so that games will be exciting at the end.

Speaker 4 What I really want them to do is to implement the idea of having challenges for strikes,

Speaker 4 but it's just done by the batter at the plate, and he has to say it immediately.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, they have a in

Speaker 1 minor, there's some minor league baseball teams. Yeah, where they have one challenge and they just immediately look at it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like this.

Speaker 4 I see.

Speaker 3 Golden at bat, but you start 0-1.

Speaker 1 No, I think it's just golden at bat. You just get to do your order over where you get to put your best guy up because it's just, I mean, numbers

Speaker 4 mean anything to you guys anymore. Am I the only one that loves the numbers in baseball?

Speaker 1 No, numbers mean jack shit at this point.

Speaker 1 It's, I mean, think about it. It's just, you know, if you get to the bottom of the ninth and you can be like, our best guy is now going to at bat.

Speaker 3 That's cool. The numbers that actual baseball fans care about now are the dumbest.
Like, it's like, if you talk to a true seam head, they're talking about like the random, you know, war, OBGR.

Speaker 3 Like, they're just the numbers that they're like, the actual important numbers are like, who cares?

Speaker 1 I also think make baseball entertainment. I also think PFT, they kind of, like, it's the point of no return as soon as they did the pitch clock, which I'm in favor of.

Speaker 1 The pitch clock, the like rule that if you come in the game, you can, you have to face a certain amount of batters, slightly bigger bases. Yeah, throws over to first.

Speaker 1 As soon as you do that, you've changed the game and how it's played. So it's like, why not?

Speaker 4 Okay, I could be on board with this, but what I really want to see is some nerds go back and do projections for what Babe Ruth's numbers would have been if they had the golden at-bat.

Speaker 1 Well, if they only do, if you can only do it when you're down.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you only can do it when you're down, it's probably going to end up being like, what, 20 extra at-bats?

Speaker 1 It's a certain amount because you probably wouldn't.

Speaker 1 You can't do it only when you're down. I think both teams got to be able to do it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it won't happen as often because think about it, you have to be a if you if you if they did the rule where it's you're only down

Speaker 1 it has to be half the like it has to be every game you're down so it's whatever split that in half and then it also has to be all the games that your guy wasn't going to come up anyway yeah so it could maybe like 30 40 at bats extra what they really need to do is just make red zone for baseball yeah they should make it that if

Speaker 3 the player if he's on base he can come out but the opposing team gets to pick the pinch runner So they can pick the slowest.

Speaker 1 Fattest, fattest guy. Yeah.
Maybe there's just every team has to carry a 26 guy that's over 300 pounds.

Speaker 1 That would be awesome.

Speaker 1 Like, you get the golden at-bat, but that, like, how awesome would it be? Like, oh, a golden at-bat's coming up. Hopefully, he gets a single so we can watch a fucking fatso run around the base.

Speaker 4 I like that idea.

Speaker 4 Also, one of the infielders gets a knife.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm in for that.

Speaker 4 The

Speaker 4 cool throne today is going to be Instagram hockey.

Speaker 4 There's a guy that does Monday night hockey. I forget his name.

Speaker 4 Is it Steve Valiquette? He works for the Rangers. Memes, maybe you can provide some insight as to this guy.

Speaker 4 So he went after Jack Hughes because

Speaker 4 in the game on Monday night, Jack Hughes had a breakaway and then he did like a few too many moves on the breakaway and tried to score with one hand on a stick. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And Steve Valiquette went after him and was like, this is a clown show. You're trying to show up your opponent.
You're trying to embarrass the other goalie.

Speaker 4 In my day, we would have had guys coming over the boards at you. This is Instagram hockey.
This isn't real hockey.

Speaker 4 Also, side note, he didn't end up scoring on it. Like, Shirkin stopped the shot.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 But in hockey, the idea is to beat the goalie on a breakaway. Right.
So who cares if you juke him out too much?

Speaker 3 You're goalie's going to be embarrassed by any goal.

Speaker 1 Right, correct.

Speaker 4 But I also, this goes back to-yeah, it was a save. This goes back to how we love these type of guys being around sports.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 We need Don Cherry needs a guy like this to step up and take the torch for him in the future, who just hates fun stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's Ian Rapport crying about Mike Muller.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we need old guys that get pissed off over stupid shit because that actually makes sports more fun for those of us who aren't old, who get pissed off. Prisco,

Speaker 1 yeah, Prisco,

Speaker 1 all the people who were tweeting that like the flag

Speaker 1 stuff during Rivalry Week was too far far and someone's gonna get hurt i love those guys yeah don't need them it was a big day for flags it was a big day

Speaker 1 but like it's just it was one of those situations where i need someone on the other side to be like this is actually really bad and dangerous yeah because i don't want to have to invent a straw man in my head right that i can argue against and be like i i can't believe there's some people out there that think this isn't fun right that would then

Speaker 1 have

Speaker 4 you'd just be we'd be rascillo yeah yeah exactly it fills a valuable role for us to have somebody who actually believes this stuff so So did Jack Hughes say something about it? What do you say, memes?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I had Max pull up the clip. Okay, let's see.

Speaker 10 And what was your reaction to hearing that?

Speaker 11 What did he say?

Speaker 10 He said he thought you were trying to embarrass Sisterkin on that breakaway when you went for the Forsberg. Yeah, I mean, I don't even know what that means.
Like, what does that even mean?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I don't even know what that means.

Speaker 3 It's literally like Alan Iverson was trying to embarrass his defenders when he crossed them up.

Speaker 4 I like to imagine that Jack Hughes actually just didn't understand what those words meant.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 I think he was being nice, but his real answer is probably like, yeah, no shit. I was trying to embarrass him.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's my job.

Speaker 3 It's literally a shootout. Like, I want to do the filthiest,

Speaker 3 nastiest, like, most embarrassing goal that you can score.

Speaker 1 And score. You're a fucking goal score.
And it's good for the sport.

Speaker 4 It is good for the sport. Also, this guy's good for the sport because we're talking about the sport.
And hockey season hasn't even started yet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It hasn't started.

Speaker 1 All right. My hot seat is beta males

Speaker 1 because the Bears did a press conference. They're looking for leader of men.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they're very clear about that.

Speaker 1 Leader of men.

Speaker 4 I think they've said the phrase leader of men too many times.

Speaker 1 Way too many times.

Speaker 4 TJ Moore says, like, what are you? They asked him, what are you looking for in a head coach? He's like, well, Kevin Warren told me we're looking for a leader of men.

Speaker 4 It seems like they're obsessed with the phrase leader. Leader of men.

Speaker 1 I'm staying cautiously optimistic, but I will say that the immediate press conference after with Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles did not give me a lot of confidence because it feels like Kevin Warren is now running the show.

Speaker 1 I feel bad for Ryan Poles because I honestly think there was a report that he wanted to fire Iberflues after the Patriots game.

Speaker 1 Also, Jalen Johnson basically told Iberflues to fuck off in front of the whole team after the Lions game. And that was the moment where they're like, oh, we should maybe fire this guy.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it looks like it might be a mess and they're looking for leader of men.

Speaker 4 During the post-game speech, apparently, Jalen Johnson was just like, the same fucking thing happens over. I've heard the speech five times in a row.
Yeah. Shut the fuck up, Matt.

Speaker 4 And Matt Ibrif Luce just, in a very non-leader of men fashion, closed his mouth and just ended the speech after a couple seconds.

Speaker 4 There was also something that I read, Big Cat, where they did the press conference on that Friday morning. Yeah.
And they started the meeting behind the scenes with Kevin Warren, Ryan Poles, and

Speaker 1 George Kaskowski.

Speaker 4 So they started that meeting at 7 a.m.

Speaker 4 Matt Ebriff Luce's press conference started at 9 a.m.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I can explain this.

Speaker 4 But the meeting of whether or not to fire Matt Hebrew Fluis wasn't concluded until like 10 a.m. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So that tells me that in this meeting that lasted three hours, there was somebody who was passionately trying to defend Matt Ebriff Luce and not let him be fired.

Speaker 1 No, what I think happened was George McCasky was like Michael Scott being like, explain this to me, like I'm five that I have to pay this guy to to not work.

Speaker 1 And they just had to go over that over and over and over.

Speaker 4 He was just looking at what

Speaker 4 your bank statements were.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was like, wait, so he's not going to coach anymore this year, but he's our head coach and we have to pay him.

Speaker 1 And they're like, all right, let's go over this for the 75th time.

Speaker 3 But we're paying one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're paying one right now. How does this make sense?

Speaker 4 I feel like in a three-hour meeting, somebody probably had a dissenting voice.

Speaker 1 No, they probably are just, I mean,

Speaker 1 it's bad. It's bad.

Speaker 3 And then they pulls it like the clip, which was a great, the hard knock Saquon clip where there was the one guy in the room being like, you know, someone's going to pick him up.

Speaker 3 Like, and they're like, who's going to want Saquon? He's like, anyone that wants a good running back. You could tell he was fighting for it and just getting overruled.

Speaker 1 And Ryan Poles deserves a lot of criticism for how this year has gone, but I do think that he is, it's pretty clear that he is being held back and not being able to do what he wants to do.

Speaker 1 There also was a report that he wanted to fire Iber Flues last year and was told not to. So,

Speaker 1 yeah, it's fun times. But leader of men, we're going to get a leader of men.

Speaker 1 someone who can lead some men I like that also really like I don't feel bad for Iber Fluis he got paid to not work and I'm sure he'll get a job somewhere else because that's how all coaches work out but um what a terrible terrible like 48 hours where essentially every single person called you a pussy yeah they're like we need a leader of men we didn't what we had was not a leader of men have one of those guys you can lead oh man maybe it's

Speaker 4 men it's so funny that they're going out and they're like looking to hire somebody to lead them. Yeah.
It's like, I want you to come into this office and show me how you would dominate me. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, exactly. Pay a lot of money for that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. My cool throwing.

Speaker 3 My last question is

Speaker 3 what's the timeline? And just like offseason?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, they'll probably hire someone within the first week of the offseason. I mean, they're guys have to well, unless they hire from outside.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, if they hire someone who doesn't have a job right now, it could be sooner.

Speaker 1 But if it's Ben Johnson, it's going to be longer.

Speaker 1 I'll read the power rankings to you real quick. It was interesting what the computer spit out this morning.

Speaker 4 I think Ron Rivera is available.

Speaker 1 Stop.

Speaker 1 The 49ers power ranking was should probably start fresh and fire Shanahan. And then the Bears were below the 49ers and it said, need a new head coach.

Speaker 1 If anyone can think of a team that probably should start fresh and fire their Shanahan.

Speaker 1 Seems like that's a match.

Speaker 4 Well, you guys play Shanahan this week, right? Yeah, it's true. You guys are on back-to-back weeks trying to impress your coaches.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I actually think the Bears are going to win that game.

Speaker 1 I think they're going to play for Thomas Brown. And my cool throne is I have two.
One is for LeBron James. So LeBron played a back-to-back.
Is there any big players that don't play back-to-backs?

Speaker 3 It's tough to be a great team if you don't.

Speaker 4 Jalen Brown.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jalen Brown. Well, he had his tummy ache.
But he was championship. He played the back of the back-to-back.
Eastern conference. He didn't play the first back.

Speaker 4 He didn't play the front.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he played the front. He was the first MVP.

Speaker 1 LeBron James kept his streak of 10-point games alive in his back-to-back, and

Speaker 1 it was when he was down 25 points in the fourth quarter with eight minutes left when LeBron James usually is not in a game. Yeah.
But they kept him in so that he could get that.

Speaker 4 Well, I mean, he probably only played for, what, 15, 17 minutes?

Speaker 1 He played. So, yeah, I mean, credit to him, he did play back-to-back.
He played 31 minutes. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 LeBron's old.

Speaker 4 No, he's not. He's not.
He's not old. Because the second I admit that LeBron is old, guess what?

Speaker 1 We're old. We're old.
But

Speaker 1 I think it's happening.

Speaker 4 He's not old.

Speaker 1 I think it's happening. It's been incredible that he's almost 40 years old and he's still in the league, but it's happening.

Speaker 4 You know what I realized the other day?

Speaker 4 Derrick Henry, you would consider him to be old, right?

Speaker 1 He's like, what, 29?

Speaker 4 I think he might be a year younger than Hank.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, he's ancient. Yeah.
He's 30 years old. So old.
Cooper DeGene also fucked him up. Okay.

Speaker 4 We're not talking about why do you have to inject Philly into every conversation?

Speaker 1 I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 That was a really nice tackle.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 like, Derrick Henry caught the ball and turned around. It wasn't like they were both squared up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
Took him off his feet. All right.
Yeah, yeah, no, it was a really nice tackle, but it wasn't like...

Speaker 1 It wasn't like

Speaker 1 Derrick Henry was running full force. Cooper DeGene was running full force.
Cooper DeGene fucked him up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Derrick Henry also has 60 pounds on him. Okay.
And he lifted him off his feet. Form tackle.
You should put that in textbooks. Textbooks?

Speaker 4 What kind of textbook would that be in?

Speaker 1 Form tackle.

Speaker 1 Oh, now we're above football textbooks? No, I took football in college. We're down.

Speaker 1 We're down for football textbooks.

Speaker 4 We took football in college, but we didn't have a textbook. We had film.
Relax, buddy.

Speaker 1 We're down for football textbooks. I forgot my other cool throne.
God damn it. There should be a football textbook.
Yeah. Oh, I remember my other cool throne because it's right there.

Speaker 1 Ryan Day's on the cool throne.

Speaker 1 Because I don't know if you guys saw this. This is from the 11 Warriors podcast.
Now, it is out of not out of context, but it's a one-minute clip. So, they could have been joking.

Speaker 1 I'm going to give them at least out there that we don't know the full thing, but the one-minute clip is very, very funny. And I also respect these guys because every fan does this.

Speaker 1 Where if you have a tragic loss, you cope as hard as you can. Have you guys seen this clip? No.
Okay, it is quite something. So, Ryan Day, officially on the cool throne, and here's why.

Speaker 12 If you want to, every Ohio State fan I know has spent the last, I don't know, what, 15 months, screaming that Michigan cheated. Michigan cheated.
Michigan cheated. Me and me as well.

Speaker 12 You know, all of us. Like, I think everyone in here was probably, you know, I'm not pointing fingers.
I'm one of those people as well. And if that's the case, you probably put an asterisk on 21.

Speaker 12 Probably put an asterisk on 22.

Speaker 12 23, maybe a different story because they had time maybe to change signs, but that had come out by the time the 23 game came about.

Speaker 12 So, on that thinking, if they cheated to win in 21 and 22,

Speaker 12 then does Day only have two losses to Michigan, only one of them really considered a bad loss? I mean, is that a fair question to ask?

Speaker 12 Because they lost to a national championship team gave probably their closest game, one of their closest games of the season, have, in my opinion, the best offensive drive any team had on that Michigan defense last year, that third quarter running drive.

Speaker 1 Drive of the year against Michigan.

Speaker 12 If that's the case, then he's only got one really bad defense

Speaker 1 that we saw this weekend. I love these guys.

Speaker 4 I want to stand up for these guys real quick because

Speaker 4 they undersold it a little bit because this year, Michigan probably also cheated because they had cheated in the past. So now Ohio State's like, how are they cheating this time?

Speaker 4 And that got into their own head.

Speaker 1 I love these guys because it is the, this is what fandom does to you.

Speaker 1 Where you do a podcast after a horrendous loss and you've spun zone it into actually Ryan Day, if you do it, he's actually actually only lost once to Michigan and drive of the best drive against the national championship.

Speaker 4 Nobody's talking about that.

Speaker 1 About that for that drive, Ohio State was national champions.

Speaker 4 No one's talking about that drive and how they basically won a national championship.

Speaker 1 Raise a banner in the horseshoe, 2023 national champions third-quarter drive against Michigan.

Speaker 4 Also, I feel like protecting legacy is more important than winning a football game, and the player has protected the legacy of the school by defending their midfield against having a flag planted on it.

Speaker 1 That's facts. I can't tell.

Speaker 1 I probably have to go listen to the whole thing, but shout out the 11 Warriors. This is what we sound like when our teams lose.
And

Speaker 1 we're like, oh, well, it was this. It was this.
We make every excuse. But that was...

Speaker 1 I didn't expect that spin zone. One loss for Ryan Day against Michigan.

Speaker 4 I like that. I honestly do like this take.
And I don't know if we've talked about this with Brandon Walker earlier because we haven't recorded that yet.

Speaker 4 I really want Ohio State to win the national championship. I think that would be the funniest thing ever.
It would. It would be so funny.

Speaker 4 In my dream scenario, I like Root for Chaos and just for ridiculous things to happen.

Speaker 4 Ohio State winning the national championship by going through like the easiest schedule ever.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 They don't have to win any upsets everywhere else.

Speaker 1 Upsets everywhere else.

Speaker 4 They don't have to win a single big game. They win the national championship, and then Ryan Day gets fired.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That would be the funniest possible outcome to this season.
Dave can claim that he's won two national championships in a row. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 if you don't have a horse in this race, that's a pretty funny one to back. Yes.

Speaker 1 I'd agree. Yeah, no, I actually, I had a similar thought because I went to look to bet Ohio State to win the national championship, but

Speaker 1 it's $4.75.

Speaker 1 Not enough. I need a little more.
Yeah, I mean... I need a little bit more because there's a chance they just crumble.

Speaker 4 I might do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I got Oregon.

Speaker 4 I might sprinkle in some Ohio State.

Speaker 1 I'm doing Ohio State. All right.
Let's do it. Let's do it.
We'll do it as a TV. We'll do it as a pod.

Speaker 4 Are you actually, are you rooting against my bet?

Speaker 1 Are we cashing out?

Speaker 1 Is there a cash out or no?

Speaker 3 I'm putting it in right now. I also already have

Speaker 3 another night, the Eagles-Bills parlay, so I'm going to parlay them as well.

Speaker 4 I'm going to wait until

Speaker 4 Saturday night to make this future bet.

Speaker 1 Because you might go up?

Speaker 4 Well, because I

Speaker 4 at the moment.

Speaker 1 No, it's not this Saturday.

Speaker 4 That Saturday night is what I'm talking about. Two Saturdays.
Two Saturdays. I'm going to wait to put in this bet in two Saturdays.

Speaker 1 That's responsible gambling. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 it would be very funny. It would be very, very funny if Ohio State was able to do it and then they fired Ryan Day.

Speaker 1 Or it would actually be funnier if Ryan Day won the national title and then went and took the North Carolina job. He's like, I don't want to do this anymore.
You guys drive me nuts.

Speaker 4 What do you think would be a funnier outcome if Ryan Day goes through the easiest possible road, wins the national championship, and then he gets an extension afterwards?

Speaker 1 Yeah. That would be funnier.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's an extension. Either way, I'm rooting for that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay, let's get to our interview with Steve Smith before we do that.
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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on recurring guest, friend of the program, and future Hall of Famer, which we have to talk about off the top. It is Steve Smith Sr.

Speaker 1 Steve, first of all, thank you for coming back on.

Speaker 1 You are a semifinalist this year. I know we talked about this last time you were on.
This is the year, right? You need to be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 This is crazy that Steve Smith is not in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 11 Well,

Speaker 11 I'm not really sure how to go about it.

Speaker 11 You know, I'm honored and

Speaker 11 it's cool, you know, and

Speaker 11 I don't know how the voting goes. So, you know, I just kind of wait for my time and

Speaker 11 do that.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 11 the real reason I have avoided coming on you guys.

Speaker 1 Yes. One,

Speaker 11 I owe you hats.

Speaker 1 Yes, you do.

Speaker 11 And you notice I'm not even wearing an LA hat just because it was so bad. And you guys were so right.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 I just wasn't sure what to do. So I just, you know what I did?

Speaker 11 I did what any middle-aged father

Speaker 11 would do. I put my head in the sand and hoped it went away.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a smart strategy. So for people who don't remember, last time Steve was on, it was last year.
We made a bet. I think it was Panthers four.

Speaker 1 It was a wager. Wager.
Not a bet. A wager.
Four and a half wins.

Speaker 4 I thought it was even higher than that. It might have been five or six.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they didn't even come. It doesn't matter how high it was.
It was real low. It didn't happen.
Yeah. Yeah.
So you owe us some Steve Smith's signature flat-brim hats, which we expect to receive.

Speaker 1 We'll send you our info, but at least

Speaker 1 at least you acknowledge it off the top because that was definitely on my list of things to talk about. You got to.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah, you got to.

Speaker 11 When you owe people things,

Speaker 11 you have to be willing

Speaker 11 to,

Speaker 11 you know, to follow through. And I planned on following through,

Speaker 11 but it was kind of like

Speaker 11 when you owe somebody some money, you know, owe that bill, and they call, you know, when they used to call you and say, hey, checks in the mail. You know, so I was checks in the mail.

Speaker 11 I don't have your address, but

Speaker 4 I feel like you ignored it for an appropriate amount of time where it was just you were annoyed by the fact that not only did you lose the bet, but you lost it by, like, it wasn't even really close.

Speaker 4 No, never close. So then you were just like, I just don't want to have to admit that I was very wrong, but I will eventually, and I'll make it right.

Speaker 4 And I actually think, listen, Steve, this goes a long way towards the Hall of Fame case for you, being nice to journalists, the guys that are going to be in that room writing your name down.

Speaker 4 Do you have a sappy story you can tell about a time like Peter King convinced you to keep playing football when you felt like quitting, and then he'll feel important and he'll write your name down for the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 11 Peter King is important no matter what. It has to do with Steve.
Peter's the dude, man. I like Peter.
Peter does,

Speaker 11 you know, on training camp, he doesn't get a lot of credit, but in training camp, he goes around a whole bunch of different teams and he talks.

Speaker 11 So a lot of stuff that you're seeing him kind of print up and do.

Speaker 11 It's been seven or eight months of accumulating data information. So Peter King is one of the good ones, man.

Speaker 11 It's a lot of good journalists out there. Um, it just sometimes the way they write articles, sometimes it um

Speaker 11 excuse your perspective on uh the individual when you see them in person.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so what's an example? What where's the line where players are like, all right, this is bullshit? Because obviously, they got a job to do, you got a job to do, but what

Speaker 1 asking the wrong person, yeah, I guess that's true, yeah.

Speaker 11 You're like one of those journalists that players have said, Yeah.

Speaker 11 But I think the toughest thing

Speaker 11 is trying to figure out and find out which guy really actually watches

Speaker 11 film. How much do they watch film? Because there are times where,

Speaker 11 you know, I've had guys who say, you man, you don't, you obviously aren't watching the film. I've had some people even on my podcast to say, oh, Steve, you don't understand.

Speaker 11 You must, you don't watch the games because they're they're looking at it from their point of view.

Speaker 11 A great example is: I was, we're talking about Miami Dolphins and how they struggled in the cold weather, right?

Speaker 11 Having won. And a fan said at the bottom of my podcast at a comment, was like, You don't watch the games.

Speaker 11 We lost those three games by one point.

Speaker 11 Bro,

Speaker 11 an L is an L. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 11 it's, it's not about like what you see,

Speaker 11 it's about the end result. and sometimes the end result gets

Speaker 11 uh you get distracted because of the way someone articulates it that you disregard

Speaker 1 the actual content that they're talking about yeah so so let's talk about the dolphins real quick because we we were talking about on our show uh the biggest there was two things that stuck out one was mike mcdaniel shivering on the sidelines that was not a good look and the second sniffy yeah and the second was they had 20 missed tackles and that to me is cold cold weather affecting you, where it's like you're not getting physical.

Speaker 1 You're not, you know, putting your nose in the pile and that kind of stuff. So, what are the Dolphins have a couple more cold weather games? What is it that they have to fix?

Speaker 1 Like, what's the mentality? Or is it just, hey, this team just can't play in the cold. It is what it is.

Speaker 11 I mean, I think they can play in the cold.

Speaker 11 I just really think sometimes that people aren't looking at the teams that they're playing. Green Bay isn't a cakewalk.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 11 just like last night, night, when we watched the 49ers play the Buffalo Bills, the Buffalo Bills aren't a cakewalk. And also, too, the 49ers are injured.
They're not extremely healthy.

Speaker 11 They're not firing all cylinders. So to blame everything on the cold weather, to say the cold weather has these guys

Speaker 11 not playing,

Speaker 11 man, you go.

Speaker 11 Missed tackles happen in the heat.

Speaker 1 True. Right?

Speaker 11 It doesn't necessarily matter.

Speaker 11 What happens is when the elements

Speaker 11 are what they are and the outcome, then all of a sudden the overreaction and the reasoning behind it

Speaker 11 is always front and center where sometimes it's just we don't want to really give credit to the people who get paid who maybe had a, who had a better

Speaker 11 and executed a better game plan than opposing team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's easier for us. We like to just say it's their candy ass uniforms.
As soon as you put them under 40 degrees, it's as simple as that.

Speaker 1 Nothing to do with the X's and O's.

Speaker 4 The Aqua doesn't play in the snow. Yeah, they put on...

Speaker 1 I mean, you guys... They have South Beach uniforms.
Yeah, I mean, the Panthers have some candy ass uniforms every now and then

Speaker 1 where it's like the blue. I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 Did you feel it? Did you feel it in the cold? You're like, I know.

Speaker 1 You did rip up the bears.

Speaker 4 I mean, when you'd wear the black uniforms, those travel. You can play in cold weather in the black, but in the blues, you don't want to see that in an ice game.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm in a teacher, though. I think you know that we're right.
Yeah. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 You know that unfortunately your life has been about football and sometimes dumb people like us can boil it down to just candy ass uniforms and that hurts.

Speaker 4 I don't like that color. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't have to like the color.

Speaker 11 One,

Speaker 11 candy, I disagree. And then I don't think you guys are dumb.
I just think you have your perspective that you're willing to die on the hill about.

Speaker 1 I mean, candy makes sense. If I handed you a lollipop that was orange and teal and I handed you a lollipop that was green and

Speaker 1 yellow, like you would be like, I want the orange and teal that looks yummy.

Speaker 11 First of all, two grown men handing each other lollipops is uh

Speaker 1 that's a problem. So,

Speaker 1 that is that's probably a problem.

Speaker 11 I'm not necessarily sure why you're handing me lollipops and I'm taking it, but I think we can normalize giving candy to your friends as adults.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're gonna, you know, what we're gonna do that

Speaker 1 as soon as you give us our hats.

Speaker 11 Next time is the last time when's the last time, y'all two, yeah, uh, just pop what you say, you pop

Speaker 1 yesterday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, it was yesterday. Bad question for us.

Speaker 4 There was nerds gummy clusters yesterday, and I ate like 10 of them.

Speaker 1 And they actually looked like dolphins. You know what I'm saying? That's a different situation.

Speaker 11 We're not talking about that. You're talking about just regular old touchy rolls and dumb dumbs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have a secret candy stash here that I'll put people onto it. I'll be like, hey, you want to see this? And I'll hand them some candy.
So, yeah, you're asking the wrong dudes.

Speaker 1 We're passing around candy all day.

Speaker 4 That was talking Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 11 We're not talking about the candy that you guys are talking about. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Steve, I got a question for you. So I'm a Bears fan.
They fired their coach. The line that's coming out of Hallis Hall right now is they need to find a leader of men.

Speaker 1 Can you explain to me what a leader of men is?

Speaker 11 I think so. A leader of men,

Speaker 11 when you compare it and talk, it's really about holding everyone accountable,

Speaker 11 not based on your draft status, not based on

Speaker 11 what this individual means to the franchise, that everybody is treated at the same. However, there are certain people with veterans where they have different

Speaker 11 opportunities and different things to do. I think it was a lot of mixed messages going on, a lot of things that probably

Speaker 11 did not live up to the expectation based on the talent of that team.

Speaker 11 And so that's what the leader of men is: that not someone not Shilly Shally and someone sticking to what they believe and kind of making sure that they hold the rest of the team accountable to that as well.

Speaker 11 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Who's the best leader of men that you've played for?

Speaker 11 Obviously, let's see. Recently, so

Speaker 11 John Harbaugh,

Speaker 11 John Fox.

Speaker 1 They tried that. Yeah, we tried that.
Johns. John's.

Speaker 11 Who else?

Speaker 11 Ron Rivera was like a player's coach.

Speaker 11 And I wouldn't say he's not a leader of men, but I think players' coaches sometimes get a pass where

Speaker 11 they make themselves more about the players. And

Speaker 11 I just, he's a leader of men, too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't even want to go there.

Speaker 1 When you have a coach, though, and like it obviously was that the Bears, like the Eberfools kind of had lost the locker room, is there, can you feel that shift in a locker room where it's like, uh-oh, this is,

Speaker 1 and is there any coming back from it? Can you feel the shift? Yeah, is there any coming back from it? Or is it like once it happens, it's kind of over?

Speaker 11 The only thing you could do is win games to come back from it. Yeah.
The way they were losing games, how they were losing games, it got worse. It wasn't improving.

Speaker 11 It was getting worse each and every time. So you got to make a step.
And I would imagine probably something was said in that locker room after the game

Speaker 11 that probably was about, hey, we, and it wasn't a we, it was a he.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 11 And that just kind of just,

Speaker 11 that was a straw that broke the camel's back.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So in your career,

Speaker 4 have you had the experience of playing for an interim coach?

Speaker 11 No, I have not.

Speaker 4 Okay, because I was wondering.

Speaker 11 That was a great question.

Speaker 11 Great question.

Speaker 1 Great question. Thank you.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so we always like to bet on interim head coaches when they step in that first week because you get the bump of having a guy that's gone that probably had lost the locker room.

Speaker 4 And then usually the interim coach would be somebody that's like, you know, big, tough guy, strength and conditioning background, might just get you juiced up to run through somebody's face that game, that week.

Speaker 4 But yeah, I guess if you haven't been through it, that's probably a good thing because you never had a coach that was fired in season for you.

Speaker 11 No, I haven't. I've just had a coach

Speaker 11 get fired right after the team meeting and was talking to us. It was George Seifer as if he was going to be coaching us next year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 11 That was really weird. Yeah, that was extremely weird.
It's like, hey, make sure you do this. You make it.
I'm like, this dude about to get fired. What is he talking about?

Speaker 4 The other thing that happens a lot during losing streaks is the the players-only meetings. And we're big fans of players-only meetings, but sometimes

Speaker 4 you might have too many players-only meetings.

Speaker 4 At what point in the season do you decide, hey, it's time to have a players-only meeting? And then what gets discussed during those meetings?

Speaker 11 Since you two aren't a player, I can't discuss it with you.

Speaker 11 Matt,

Speaker 1 too many is

Speaker 11 too many.

Speaker 11 Two is too many. The first one, you got to do it.
After that, if it's not getting done, then you just have to have little conversations on the side. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I want to talk about your Panthers.
Bryce Young.

Speaker 1 Incredible what he's looked like since he came back from that benching. You ain't lying.

Speaker 1 What happened in those three weeks? Like, what I want, I want to study those three weeks because it looks like a completely different guy.

Speaker 1 Obviously, he's still got a lot of work to do, but the confidence and like how he's seeing the field is night and day versus what we saw last year, all of last year in the beginning of this year.

Speaker 11 Well, you're just getting a guy that gives opportunity to see the game from a different perspective, seeing it from the seat versus seeing it from behind the center and getting opportunity to be coached and seeing, you know, not everybody deals with adversity the same, but obviously Bryce has shown you that he could deal with adversity.

Speaker 11 He's used to it. He has a good pedigree.
And, you know, I think I've said it from the beginning. I thought it was a great idea just based on how the situation went.

Speaker 11 He was the first overall pick, really didn't have to fight for his job. It was handed to him.

Speaker 11 That team wasn't, you know, that team obviously wasn't great looking at

Speaker 11 the record, offensive line, sustained some injuries.

Speaker 11 So there's a lot of different things, and you just throw them out there and expect Bryce Young to fix all the ailments of all the other areas that are needed improvement. And so

Speaker 11 it didn't go well, and it kind of picked up from where it started,

Speaker 11 picked up where it started with the firing of Coach Wright, and then with Coach Canalis, same thing.

Speaker 11 Coach Canales, you know, had the authority and also had the perspective of, hey, I think this is the best thing for our team moving forward. And it looks like that was the right move.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's been fun to watch him. I think a lot of people wrote him off, maybe, maybe us included, at some points, but

Speaker 1 it's fun to,

Speaker 4 yeah, we, I mean, we did, yeah, we watched a lot of the bad games, but it's been cool to see him come back and play well. So what is Dave Canalis doing that is helping Bryce out specifically?

Speaker 11 Well, one,

Speaker 11 they have a better offensive line, play action. He's under center.
You know, you're seeing a lot of different things. He's the RPO game, some of the things he did in college.

Speaker 11 So, and then his offensive mind is bringing a different perspective. They're running the football.

Speaker 11 I mean, they're doing a lot of different things compared to last year.

Speaker 1 I mean, you name it.

Speaker 11 I mean, heck, the points they're scoring. How about the type of throws that he's making down the field?

Speaker 4 Yeah, he just seems to be way more confident in every throw that he's making. It was a great game on Sunday.
I want to give you the opportunity to say something nice about Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 1 We lost him. Is he frozen? Well, I'm not frozen.
Not frozen.

Speaker 1 He's a dog.

Speaker 4 Is he a dog?

Speaker 1 He's a dog.

Speaker 1 Baker. Baker.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 1 I don't believe it.

Speaker 4 I'm not buying that dog.

Speaker 1 I sell him.

Speaker 1 That was a little purse dog you just had right there.

Speaker 4 Has he been better than you thought he would be?

Speaker 11 Bro, I don't.

Speaker 11 He don't care. He doesn't care about me.
I don't care about him.

Speaker 1 I like that guy.

Speaker 4 I think, yeah, he probably would respect that. There's no beef.

Speaker 1 Sounds like there's no beef in there. Sounds like a little bit of beef, Steve.

Speaker 1 There's some beef there.

Speaker 11 Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 I'll bet you a flat-brim hat. There's beef.

Speaker 11 I'll bet you 10 flat-brim hats is not a beef. Okay.

Speaker 1 There is no beef.

Speaker 4 So if there's no beef, can you say one thing that he's done well?

Speaker 11 He's doing really good. He's throwing the football.
He beat the Panthers.

Speaker 1 He's doing a good job, man. Yeah.

Speaker 11 What I try to do is I try to leave that alone, man.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 No more beef. Okay.
Got it.

Speaker 11 There is no beef.

Speaker 1 What quarterback can you be critical of right now? Because you do like to be critical of quarterbacks. Which one are you expect more of coming down the stretch?

Speaker 11 Kirk Cousins. I expect him.
He got to be better, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Kurt was out there. Kurt was killing it for the other team the other day.

Speaker 11 Just didn't see that coming.

Speaker 1 Who else? Do you think they make the switch?

Speaker 1 What do you say?

Speaker 11 I don't think they'll make a switch. They got too much.

Speaker 11 I don't know if Michael Penix is ready to make that switch. I also think the offense line is for the Atlanta Falcons,

Speaker 11 it's not great, you know, but

Speaker 11 Kurt is moving a lot, moving around in the pocket a lot more than he should be. That's not his specialty.

Speaker 11 But, you know, he just got to play better. Four picks.

Speaker 11 That's uncharacteristic of.

Speaker 4 Man, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 When you're hungry out there, you start acting like a rookie quarterback in his first game, making bad decisions, messing up the basics, being all out of sorts. That's where Snickers comes in, man.

Speaker 1 That thing is packed.

Speaker 1 roasted peanuts nugget caramel milk chocolate it's like the mvp of candy bars and when you bite into it boom it sorts you out gets your head back in the game of life satisfying your hunger remember this snickers handles your hunger so you can handle everything else snickers satisfies man that's a winning play what about um what about the defensive side of the ball is there a cornerback that you've seen recently uh maybe a new guy on the scene that you're like that guy can play that that dude will be very tough to go up against.

Speaker 11 I mean, those fifth-round picks from the Los Angeles Chargers, man, those dudes is out there playing well. I'm pretty impressed with them.

Speaker 11 The defense a little bit this year has been kind of hit or miss, right? You've seen guys play well.

Speaker 11 And then you've seen guys disappear.

Speaker 11 Guys are playing a lot of zone coverage, like the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 11 Their draft picks are bowling.

Speaker 11 I mean, there's a lot of guys

Speaker 11 that aren't first-round draft picks are really contributing to their teams in ways that people

Speaker 11 were not expecting.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you see that Jim Harbaugh said that Lad McConkey reminds him of you?

Speaker 1 I like Lad. Is that a good colleague?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Lad's been awesome.

Speaker 11 Man, Lad. That's a dog.
I like that. I did a breakdown on that.
I liked him

Speaker 11 at Georgia. I was very consistent.

Speaker 11 I mean, I take that as a compliment. I'm not worried about falling into the old, he's this, he's that, or who reminds me.
Man, if Coach says that Ladd can play, then I agree. Ladd can play.

Speaker 11 When I look at Ladd, and then I, you know, and I look at myself, I was like, man, is this Ladd or Steve? Steve or Ladd? I mean, so that's, you know, that's how I feel.

Speaker 1 All right, so I have another receiver I wanted to ask you about.

Speaker 1 One of our favorite. Wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 4 Does that mean that you're rooting for Ladd to do well? Because that way the comparison to Steve Smith is good. Are you rooting for Ladd to not be as good? Because then you can be like,

Speaker 11 I want Ladd to ball just because I've been watching. I watched this film last year where he's coming out of college at Georgia.
He's steady, Eddie. He's consistent.
What you see is what you get.

Speaker 11 This has nothing to do with me. This has to do with man who

Speaker 11 could just ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, flat out. All right.
So the other receiver I wanted to ask you about, one of our personal favorites, George Pickens. Okay.

Speaker 1 What? Yeah. What are your thoughts on George Pickens? Because he plays with an edge that

Speaker 1 sometimes goes over the line. Is that,

Speaker 1 like, do you need to, you don't want to take all the George out of George Pickens. You want him to be that fiery guy, but

Speaker 1 what does he have to do that maybe tone it down a little? Or do you just say, hey, no, George, go be you?

Speaker 11 He got to tone it down a little bit just because people are talking about it.

Speaker 11 So, and I, you know, and I've been a guy that understands, you know, when people are talking about you like that, there's going to be this assumed

Speaker 11 disposition about you. People are going to believe what they see or believe believe what some other people may say, even though the context may not be all in line.

Speaker 11 But George is going to have to calm down. He's a heck of a football player.

Speaker 11 You know, he has one of the best coaches out there who really rocks with you. So

Speaker 11 if Mike T is telling you, you know, you need to rein it in, then guess what? You need to rein it in. Because Mike T, if you think about it, Mike T has been around a lot of

Speaker 11 special wide receivers, guys who can change the game like that in your favor. He's also seen that some of these guys haven't managed themselves well.

Speaker 11 And so he's speaking more from not I'm better than, but I've seen this movie before and I know how the ending is. So you need to be careful.

Speaker 4 I think he likes having guys like that around, though, because it gives him a good challenge as a coach.

Speaker 4 He likes being able to, you know, take somebody and help them reach that next level and maybe battle some of their internal demons. But with George, I feel like

Speaker 4 you can't really tell George to stop being George because that's who he is and that makes him special.

Speaker 4 I think you need to tell his teammates almost have like a like a quarterback rule where the second he gets tackled, just have everybody out in the field run up to him, help him up and walk him back to the huddle.

Speaker 4 Just like, don't, don't do the gun sign. Don't grab anybody by the face mask.
Don't pump the ball into the stands. Just let's all work as a team to get George back to the huddle after every reception.

Speaker 11 Okay, sounds like a play.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I feel like, so

Speaker 4 you got those reputation calls at points when they'd be looking at you. Another guy that gets reputation calls, I feel like, is DK Metcalf, where now he's under a microscope for Seattle.

Speaker 4 Have you watched him recently this year?

Speaker 11 I watched him. He's been hurt a little bit,

Speaker 11 but they're doing a really good job.

Speaker 11 I don't think you could put DK in the same category.

Speaker 11 of some of the stuff that's going on. I think, you know, every situation is different.
To lump all these guys together and say they're troublemakers, man, I don't think that's fair.

Speaker 4 No, no, I don't think DK is is a troublemaker at all. I love the way that DK plays the game.

Speaker 4 I'm just saying that I feel like the refs, after there's enough times where you get a penalty against you, I feel like the refs, they start to zero in on you and you get reputation calls that maybe you don't earn.

Speaker 4 And I think that that's what's happened sometimes with DK.

Speaker 11 Okay. I'll go with that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right, Steve.
So it's December. It's winning football time.
If you had to pick your Super Bowl right this second, give you a second chance.

Speaker 1 I don't know what your Super Bowl was before the season, but

Speaker 1 I didn't pick anything. You didn't pick anything? All right, so this is your first chance.
You get a good chance here. Who would you say in December is gonna be in the Super Bowl?

Speaker 11 Let's go with

Speaker 11 I'll give you two. How about can I give you two?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can give us as many as you want.

Speaker 11 All right, let's go with um

Speaker 11 Detroit, Kansas City, okay,

Speaker 11 um, or

Speaker 11 Philly and Buffalo.

Speaker 1 I like that. Those are both good picks.

Speaker 1 With Kansas City,

Speaker 4 they are playing with fire. They've had like a bunch of really, really close victories where it seems like they're going to lose and then somehow they manage to pull it off.

Speaker 4 Do you think that's more of like a weakness in Kansas City, or has it become almost to the point where it's a strength where they know how to win these close games?

Speaker 11 Man, people always looking at, especially the way Kansas City is winning, they're looking to really kind of be critical of them. I mean, there's ugly wins wins and there's pretty wins, but

Speaker 11 the thing you want to just really focus on on the wins.

Speaker 11 They've sustained a lot of injuries.

Speaker 11 And it's really hard to say that, hey, next man up when

Speaker 11 Pacheco is not a guy that you just, his backup is not. the next Pacheco.
So it's hard to really replace him, right? Rashid Rice, when he's been able to do Hollywood, like all these guys had a role.

Speaker 11 And that offense and defense was constructed based on those individuals' roles. And then now those guys are gone.
And so the next guy that's filling in, he won't be better.

Speaker 11 If he was better, he would have been starting. So that's why they went and got D-hop because he's more of a guy that can freelance a little bit.
That's what he does. And then with

Speaker 11 Patrick. So

Speaker 11 I don't really think

Speaker 11 them winning by less is anything. I think sometimes they maybe play down to their opponent, but I mean, they're still only one, they've only lost one game.

Speaker 11 So I don't really understand all the, it's just more of the hate more than anything because they've been so successful in trying to get that three-peat.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We had

Speaker 1 our good friend Fred Smootz stop by the office last week, and he's an all-time shit talker. You're an all-time shit talker.
Did you ever line up against him, and how did that shit-talking go?

Speaker 11 Yeah, me and Fred, we had some pretty fun times. It's just now we're chilling.
Two old men now.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I would imagine that's fireworks when you, I mean, that's, I feel like that's been a match for both of you.

Speaker 1 Like, if you're like, who, who could match up against Fred Smoot in the shit talking department? It's Steve Smith and vice versa.

Speaker 11 Yeah, Fred is

Speaker 11 funny.

Speaker 11 He still talks

Speaker 11 some good stuff, though. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Was there any cornerback that would get in your head that would know to piss you off?

Speaker 11 You know, Brandon Browner got in my head a little bit.

Speaker 11 Sherm, Sherm got in my head. I got in Sherm's head.
It's funny is

Speaker 11 when me and Sherm are like kind of in the same area when we're working, we always end up talking and somehow, some way, I end up always apologizing to Sherm for something I did to him.

Speaker 11 It's like every single time and I don't understand it. Like he's the victim every time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's how he gets you.

Speaker 1 Don't let him do that to you. Stand up for yourself.

Speaker 11 And the way he talks about it actually feels bad, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He was doing some of the talking too.

Speaker 11 Oh, a lot of the talking.

Speaker 4 He needs to apologize to you for some stuff.

Speaker 4 It's all right.

Speaker 11 Yeah. We all can't live in the past, man.
Some people need to move forward.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's true.

Speaker 1 Steve, I had one last question for you.

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Speaker 1 Experienced. You are a big golfer.
How's your golf game going, and how's the shit talking on the golf course? Because that's,

Speaker 1 I would love to see that.

Speaker 1 We got to do a video with you.

Speaker 11 Let's do it.

Speaker 11 I'm enjoying golf, man. I'm enjoying golf big time.
Like one of my guys right here,

Speaker 11 out of the office right here with Ghost Golf.

Speaker 11 so I've been having with I've been hanging with them a little bit. That's one of my partners, so I've been enjoying it.
Golf, um,

Speaker 11 actually, it's kind of weird. Golf is that place.

Speaker 11 Uh, there's some, there's some stuff about 89, some stuff about Smith 18,

Speaker 11 and I didn't even know it was there. Like, um, I've really

Speaker 11 I can't play a lot of rap music, uh, no trap, none of that stuff on the golf course. You know, one of the big things I've been in is uh man, country music on the golf course, bro.

Speaker 1 that's it that's the stuff

Speaker 11 man some little jelly roll shaboozy

Speaker 11 um

Speaker 11 uh um um

Speaker 11 morgan wallen like i just bro it's i i've been rolling on it's been it's been kind of dope yes nice chill stuff what what's your handicap uh it's about a 15.

Speaker 11 um i the last couple weeks i've been working i played the other day and i was terrible i mean terrible like

Speaker 11 it was so bad me and my driver are not seeing eye to eye.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 I had to, I had to, it cost too much to, well, I got fitted, so I put it in there. I put it in the bag, and I was just playing with my

Speaker 11 irons, which helped help my game a little bit. I was just, but I'm doing pretty good.

Speaker 4 That's perfect. A golf company called Out of Office.
That's Hank's two favorite things. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All rolled into one. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Our producer would absolutely love that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So have you got a hole in one yet?

Speaker 11 No, I have not.

Speaker 11 Bro, I missed the Eagle for a birdie.

Speaker 11 I missed the birdie for a par. I missed the Eagle for a Birdie and a Parr.
Oge. So

Speaker 11 my putty is, as my son Peyton was saying, my putting,

Speaker 11 I putt like Ray Charles. He says, dad,

Speaker 11 what are you reading?

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 4 You should invite journalists to play golf with you, to be friends with them so that they put you in the Hall of Fame. We need Steve Smith in a gold jacket.
And I want to see how they make your bust.

Speaker 1 I want to see what that statue looks like yeah it's going to happen i just hope it's not the same people that did the uh the wayne weight so yeah yeah

Speaker 4 we'll make sure that guy's not involved yeah yeah they usually do a good job with the hall of fame though yeah they do um all right well steve we look forward to getting our hats

Speaker 1 yep you're gonna actually do it this time you're gonna give me your information i'll give you all of our information and you and you're gonna we'll have well we'll have it text it to you right now and uh yeah we we need the hats send us

Speaker 11 I'll get you some, I'll do the LA hats, and then I'll get you some um because I'm driving down there. I'm in LA right now, so I'm driving down there to get uh go to Ghost Golf today.

Speaker 1 Okay, perfect. Love that, love it.

Speaker 4 And you want to make another hat bed at any time, just let us know. Yeah, we're game.

Speaker 11 Okay, yeah, hey, where are you guys located?

Speaker 1 Chicago, you got to come check it out. We got a whole studio, uh, uh, you know, it's nippy in Chicago right now.
We got a golf simulator, though. Yeah, we got a golf simulator coming the summer.

Speaker 1 We got a full court basketball court, we got everything.

Speaker 11 Can we get out there?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would be awesome. We'd love to have you.
We'd love to host you. All right, Steve, thanks so much, man.
Be well, and we're looking forward to the Hall of Fame. We're excited for it.

Speaker 11 Hey,

Speaker 11 give me guys information, too.

Speaker 1 All right, okay, perfect. All right.
Thanks so much, Steve. Thank you.
Thanks, Steve. See ya.

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Speaker 1 Okay, pardon your take Henri.

Speaker 1 Give it to us.

Speaker 4 Let's play guess guess that age

Speaker 3 with this question.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 3 NFL kickers should have to finish a 12-pack of beer between the beginning of the game and their first field goal attempt or extra point in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 19. How old is Malasek? 25, 26.

Speaker 1 Wait, NFL kickers should have to finish a 12-pack of beer.

Speaker 4 Actually, I'm going to guess like 46. How old is Sebastian Janikowski? This is definitely from him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it might be him.

Speaker 4 He would be the greatest. The greatest kicker of all time if that were the case.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They should just put NFL kickers on like

Speaker 1 something that like a downer. They just seem to get hyped up.

Speaker 4 They got to put them on Xanax.

Speaker 1 Yeah, put them on Xanax. Have them go out there on Xanax.

Speaker 4 There's something going on with kickers, and we're going to find out what there really is.

Speaker 3 What's up, Henry Lighthouse, Big Fat, and Ski Yee EFT?

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 3 My girlfriend and her boy brother.

Speaker 3 My girlfriend and her brother are massive Ravens fans, and her brother recently said if Lamar wins the Super Bowl this year, he'll begin to unseat Mahomes as the best QB in the league.

Speaker 3 Is this crazy glazing, or is there some merit to this? Absolutely some merit.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 okay. Interesting.

Speaker 1 How many time in there?

Speaker 1 Lamar has two.

Speaker 1 And Mahomes has two?

Speaker 4 Does Lamar have two or does he have Lamar has two?

Speaker 1 It's abundantly clear that MVPs don't matter on this show. With Mahomes' individuals.

Speaker 3 With Mahomes' individual numbers falling off this year, is there any chance people begin to declare Lamar's best QB or is that too far-fetched?

Speaker 4 I think this happens a lot with quarterbacks that are considered to be the greatest of all time.

Speaker 4 There will be doubters and and haters along the way that predict their demise before it actually happens, and then the great ones bounce back against them.

Speaker 3 What have you done for me lately?

Speaker 1 Mahomes has two MVPs. They won a Super Bowl last year.
Three Super Bowl MVPs, three Super Bowls. I think that's pretty tough to say one Super Bowl would now unseat Mollombo.

Speaker 4 I got a question for you, Biquette. Hank just said it's a what have you done for me lately league

Speaker 4 in regards to Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's back to back. This is

Speaker 4 two Super Bowls in a row.

Speaker 3 That's this conversation in March. 11 and 1.

Speaker 1 Listen,

Speaker 1 Mahomes is going to go. He's going to be Brady.
He's going to win

Speaker 1 probably a couple more.

Speaker 1 If you're Lamar, if you're Josh, or if you're Joe Burrow, your hope is that you are Rothesberger, Brees, or Manning. Yeah.
Like, that's... I'm just being honest with you.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't think Lamar's not going to win five Super Bowls, but if he can win one or two, then he's going to go down in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's already a Hall of Famer, but he's going to go down as as one of the greats. But

Speaker 1 Mahomes is so far ahead.

Speaker 4 The good news is there is time to rewrite the narrative. Yeah.
Like, we know what the narrative is going to be, and it's what Big Cat just said. But at this moment in time,

Speaker 4 you can think and use your imagination and say, there's still time. Like, what if Lamar just rattles off four in a row?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, if Lamar wins back-to-back Super Bowls, then we will start having this conversation because then it would be three Super Bowls to two and same amount of MVPs.

Speaker 1 So you've got to get to two before we can start talking about unseating Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 3 I think if Josh Allen wins MVP in a Super Bowl, he's in that conversation too.

Speaker 1 He's got to get to two to start unseating. I think if it's three to two, you can start having a conversation.
But three to one is not.

Speaker 1 You can't have that conversation.

Speaker 1 What about Russ?

Speaker 1 Russ wins the Super Bowl this year. Win his second.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And he's got to be in the conversation. You think of

Speaker 4 2000s quarterbacks. You think of Mahomes, Brady, Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 That's Stafford. Eli, Stafford wins his second.
I lose a piece of my pinky.

Speaker 3 Michigan fan here. I'm buzzing from Saturday.
Last three years have been nothing short of amazing with all the massive wins and championships.

Speaker 3 Something about watching Ohio State and Ryan Day shit down their pants was maybe even more satisfying than any of it. I don't know why that is.
I can't explain it, but we were just so bad this year.

Speaker 3 Didn't matter at all. Then the meltdown they had after the game with the flag, it was like good porn.

Speaker 3 The game game had me damn near having to cross my legs hiding a chubby, even though the football was so awful. Yeah.
Am I way off base for feeling like this?

Speaker 3 I know Hank would say I'm crazy, but I don't know what it is, man. That win hit like crack.

Speaker 1 That, all right, so he just explained a rivalry. And I

Speaker 1 can't exist.

Speaker 3 You explain winning it. Like,

Speaker 3 I understand that feeling. Like, that's, you know, the Patriots beat the Seahawks.
Patriots win 28-3. Like, the...

Speaker 3 buzzing feeling you have after winning a good game literally lasts you for months maybe even years like the celtics win the championship like i'm still so i get the riding that high. I do.

Speaker 3 For Michigan fans,

Speaker 3 it's, and I understand the rivalry and that Ohio State fans should be devastated, but I'm, I was more surprised at the lack of like, let's keep fighting because their season's not over.

Speaker 3 But I, I hear the point of them being like, well, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 It's again, that's what I feel like.

Speaker 3 If I was Ohio State, I would be crushed, but also like, let's win a national championship.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think the part you're missing is it's been

Speaker 3 part I get.

Speaker 1 it's been four years of Ryan Day being like, we have to beat Michigan. Like, we have to beat Michigan.
And then they spent all this money and they couldn't beat a dog shit Michigan team.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, you find a lot of joy in winning things and being a personal champion. You find almost as much joy in watching your biggest rivals just piss down their leg and fuck up.

Speaker 4 Like, being a hater is very, very fun. But what adds to that is if your biggest rivals can absolutely shit the bed while you're still buzzing in the afterglow of a championship yourself.

Speaker 4 And it's then that's full.

Speaker 4 That's a speedball.

Speaker 1 When you play once a year and you've been playing for 100 years, you win that game, you get to talk shit for literally 365 days.

Speaker 1 And they have the counter, like, it's been this many days since Ohio State's beaten Michigan. It's brutal.

Speaker 4 Well, two of those were wins because Michigan Chiefs. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 And the quarter.

Speaker 3 And I guess the difference, too, between like the Celtics or some of the other championships that were, you know, easy wins, essentially, or like never in doubt, Winning games you're supposed to lose or like your big $200 or you're down a lot.

Speaker 3 And then that next week of

Speaker 3 searching the opposite fan bases cope

Speaker 1 is the best. The best.

Speaker 4 Also, Ohio State,

Speaker 4 this year against Michigan, they're 1-0 in having better players.

Speaker 1 And spending more money.

Speaker 3 It's also great. And again, I'm not completely oblivious to the rivalry thing.
It is great. Michigan fans can

Speaker 3 lose Ohio State. They're watching the playoff games with pure hatred.
Now they can, like, watch the games and, like, laugh. They can be like, oh, this is going to be funny.

Speaker 3 Even if they win, this is still funny.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Our good friend Tom Fernelli suggests that maybe Hank should go to the Big Ten championship game and root against his hated rival, the Oregon Ducks.

Speaker 4 I mean, Hank has two favorite teams in college football: the Washington Huskies and whoever's playing the Ducks.

Speaker 3 Nope, I got a new one.

Speaker 1 And whoever's playing Wazoo.

Speaker 3 No, there's a new one. What?

Speaker 1 Nebraska. That's your new favorite team?

Speaker 3 Second to Washington.

Speaker 1 Danik signed a contract. section.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's my best friend. But that is your best friend.
Those are your two big 10 teams. I know.

Speaker 3 I mean, Belichick and Dana, like,

Speaker 3 those are two heavy hitters. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, rivalries in college football mean more than in pro sports. They just do.

Speaker 1 It's what, like,

Speaker 1 it's just why the sport is so, so much fun is because the hatred is so deep and like it's all that matters.

Speaker 1 All right, was that it?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, that guy, by the way, is completely, everything he says is completely right. If I were a Michigan fan, I'd just be watching.
I mean, I even

Speaker 1 saw a hype video where they had the Michigan team going into the shoe, and it was a song. It was a song from Sicario, and it was one of the coolest hype videos I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 And I'm not a Michigan fan.

Speaker 1 I would say that I don't like Ohio State more than I don't like Michigan, but I don't like either. And I watched that and being like, holy fuck.
I would like to see more.

Speaker 3 I don't know if it.

Speaker 1 That was from Richard not

Speaker 1 to Richard not down bad right now. Okay.

Speaker 3 I think the only thing I would like to see more of, I would like to see more Ohio State bar reactions. I feel like there wasn't a lot of those.

Speaker 3 Like those are always good. Yeah.
Yeah. Crush.

Speaker 1 But there wasn't really

Speaker 1 slow death.

Speaker 3 Because those, like, that's thinking about the Seahawks like that. Those are the greatest videos of all time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You have to have a big swinging moment where

Speaker 4 they thought they're going to win.

Speaker 3 Like the Yankees, like Billies.

Speaker 1 The Ohio State had the ball for two minutes in the fourth quarter. It's crazy.
It's nuts. All right.
Good show, boys.

Speaker 1 Numbers:

Speaker 1 three.

Speaker 1 PFT 2, 11.

Speaker 4 Memes, I'm going to give you

Speaker 1 99 Pug.

Speaker 4 58.

Speaker 4 44.

Speaker 3 85.

Speaker 1 21.

Speaker 1 You got it. Oh.

Speaker 1 Oh!

Speaker 1 Hey, memes, have you ever gotten this?

Speaker 1 I didn't get it. No, you didn't.
I got it. No, I got it.
PFT. I got it.
No, I got it. No, no, no.
I got it. PFT.
I got it. I got it.
Present Pug. Present Pug.

Speaker 1 The rules stands. Wait.
Why don't you talk to the mic present? Oh,

Speaker 1 hey, dumb rule. Hey,

Speaker 1 respect.

Speaker 1 Respect the office. Dumb fucking.

Speaker 1 Who out of

Speaker 1 me, Max, Memes, Hank, PFT, who has never gotten it? I believe it was Meme. Oh,

Speaker 1 good pick.

Speaker 1 I got it. I get that right.

Speaker 1 Good pick, PFT.

Speaker 4 Thank you. I appreciate it.
Way to go.

Speaker 1 Hey, no, that was his number.

Speaker 1 That was his number.

Speaker 4 That was my number. That was his number.

Speaker 1 You don't get his number. You don't get to turn President Pug's money.

Speaker 1 You didn't pick it. We live in a society that's not going to be

Speaker 1 the rule. Hey, you got deep stickers.
His number here. You technically did not pick that.
No. That's his pick.
I got it. Means.
You're the one that you plug into office. I got the number.

Speaker 1 You did that. I got the number.
That's his pick.

Speaker 4 Guess what?

Speaker 1 But I got the pick. No, no, no.
You said, have you ever picked it right? No, no, no. I got it.
No, no. Have you ever gotten this? No, the question is, have you ever gotten this?

Speaker 1 Have you ever gotten this? That's what I was asking. Yes.
No, you have not. You have never gotten this.
I think the question is. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 I have gotten it because I said

Speaker 4 you get to see it.

Speaker 1 No, have you? I've never picked it right. Have you ever picked it? Have you ever, ever gotten this?

Speaker 1 Not in the old studio, but in the news. No, you haven't.
Never, ever.

Speaker 4 This is a win.

Speaker 1 He's never gotten it. This is a win.
No, it's not. Well, Hank took the three-ball out in the old studio.
Oh, here come the excuses. Oh, what? Remember, it went missing?

Speaker 4 Hank honestly lives in your head, memes.

Speaker 1 TFT has a win here. No.

Speaker 1 He has gotten the number. You are the only one who has not gotten the number.
I'm now rooting so hard for Shane and Jack.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Oh, Shane's gotten it. Oh, Jack.
Jack's guessed like four times total. Oh, my God.
We must get Jack a win.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 That's way longer than my streak.

Speaker 4 Memes, you were so close.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you have the longest streak by far. No way.
Four years. Someone's got to crunch the data.
Hank's streak was long, but I think you went to the old studio to this. But I just guessed it right.

Speaker 1 No, you didn't. I got it.
Memes,

Speaker 1 memes, what was your number?

Speaker 1 I guessed. No, no, no, no, no.
What was your number? I'll ask PFT. PFT, what was your your number?

Speaker 4 I think it was at 58.

Speaker 1 Oh, PFT is bad at picking up his numbers. What was your number, PFT? Oh, my number was two.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 1 Two is up there. Yeah.
PFT got it. I picked that.

Speaker 4 Well, and also. To Pug, you motherfucker.

Speaker 1 And Pugs are guaranteed.

Speaker 1 No, his mic's off. I picked the right number.

Speaker 1 Respect the president.

Speaker 3 Secret Service, please turn the mic back. Hank's mic is off.

Speaker 1 I picked the right number.

Speaker 4 Memes is drunk with power right now. So, but the thing is, Memes, in picking my number, you knew that he would not want me to get it before him, right?

Speaker 4 So, he was trying to pick a number that he didn't think would hit, and he's even bad at that.

Speaker 3 Is PFT still picking memes' number, Pug, and vice versa?

Speaker 3 Mike's off.

Speaker 1 This is

Speaker 1 going to say yes.

Speaker 1 What do you guys think?

Speaker 4 I'll continue to pick memes' number.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 If it pleases the president. I'd say for now.

Speaker 3 I mean, memes, we gotta, like, we're trying to have a conversation.

Speaker 1 Memes, we're trying to do a podcast. The podcast is over.
Okay. Great job.
Great job, PFT. Congrats.
Thank you.

Speaker 4 Thank you. Thank you.
Appreciate it, guys. I want to thank everybody out there that stuck with me.

Speaker 4 All the PFT riders, appreciate you.

Speaker 4 There's so many people in the room to thank. Big Cat, I want to thank you.

Speaker 1 All right. All right.
Thanks. Congratulations.

Speaker 1 Great show.

Speaker 4 Max, thank you very much for sticking with me through thick and thin. NFC Beast for everybody.

Speaker 4 Pug, great job as president. You've done, this has been a great era for the podcast.
Shane, awesome as always.

Speaker 4 Never forget that really cool letter that you designed that one time, and the chargers look great.

Speaker 4 Jack is doing an awesome job too. And most of all, there's one other person I forgot to thank.

Speaker 4 And that's you. Love you guys.