Thanksgiving Special With Fred Smoot In Studio, CFB, Week 13 Picks And Preview, Kirk Cousins And PFT/Hank Rivalry Continues

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have an extra long Thanksgiving special for the people. We have Fred Smoot in studio.
We have Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk college football. We're going to talk Monday night football.
We're going to do a weekend preview. We're going to do a Thanksgiving preview.

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Speaker 3 We're going to put you guys on timers so you get your Wednesday episode, then you get your Friday episode. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1 Today is Wednesday, November 27th, and John Harbaugh. Unfortunately, owns Jim Harbaugh.
3-0.

Speaker 1 Jim Harbaugh saying before the game, I'd lay down my life for my brother, but I would not let him win a football game.

Speaker 1 I enjoyed the Harbaugh Bolt. The Ravens are very, very good.

Speaker 1 Chargers,

Speaker 1 Quentin Johnson decided to start dropping balls again at the worst possible time. But that was the Ravens.
Like, the Ravens dominated that second half, and they are who we thought they are.

Speaker 1 They were a Super Bowl contender.

Speaker 3 I think the Ravens dominated the second half and also the last two minutes of the first half.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Going forward on fourth down.

Speaker 3 That was crazy. That was a great call.
And you know what? I'm going to say it. If it hadn't worked out,

Speaker 3 I would absolutely kill John Harbaugh.

Speaker 1 Duh.

Speaker 3 But it worked out, so he's a genius. Yeah.
But if it didn't work, fire him.

Speaker 1 I feel like that call on what were they on their own 20? 19? 1920? Yeah. I feel like that call was

Speaker 1 the Harbaugh Bowl getting the best of him, where he's like,

Speaker 1 normally I wouldn't do this, but against my brother, I got to fucking do it. You got to.

Speaker 1 You got to fucking do it.

Speaker 3 This was their Super Bowl for sure. Their mom and dad were watching.
It was their anniversary. They were watching watching with Tom Crean.
Yep. That should have been the Manning cast last night.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. It should have been Jack and Joni, and then Tom Crean.

Speaker 1 I walked away from that game, not really changing my opinions on either team. Ravens are really good.
The Chargers, they have to.

Speaker 1 I think the Chargers are good, and they have to play perfect to beat a Ravens-like team. I do wonder,

Speaker 1 little thought I had when I was watching the game.

Speaker 1 Is there a chance Hank

Speaker 1 bet the Chargers to miss the playoffs?

Speaker 3 Well, Hank cashed out of his Chargers Super Bowl bet. Right.
It's pretty much the same thing. Do you think he.

Speaker 1 I didn't. You did not? I didn't.
Are you sure?

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Speaker 2 It's up to units, which is positive. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 You want to be positive about things.

Speaker 2 Yeah, plus two units is good.

Speaker 1 You want to have a positive mindset.

Speaker 1 Derrick Henry continues to be a beast. It is the return of the running backs and the fact that Derrick Henry and Saquon Barkley are complete game changers in today's NFL.

Speaker 3 And I do think that some of the reason why they got Derrick Henry was just because he's so fucking big that they will not forget to put him in the game late on. They'll keep him going.

Speaker 3 He's a giant looming presence on the sideline.

Speaker 3 So if John Harbaugh is starting to think like, let's get cute with it like we did in the playoffs last year, Derrick Henry, he's so big that you're like, oh shit, yeah, we have that guy.

Speaker 3 Let's keep running him. And he just, he wears you down, he tenderizes you over the course of a game.

Speaker 1 And it also just further proves what we already know, but I would tackle him by his chain.

Speaker 3 Yeah, why don't more people do that? Just reach in, grab the chain. Akib Talib, he would have fucking ripped his throat out.

Speaker 1 When he gets outside and it's just one-on-one, one-on-one, it's, it's, they're, Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry are the same, but they do it in a different way.

Speaker 1 Saquon Barkley, when he gets out in space one-on-one, you know, he's going to make a guy miss. There's just nothing the guy can do.

Speaker 1 Derrick Henry, when he gets out in space one-on-one, the guy just can't tackle him, especially if we're like the NFL has gotten a little, the edge rushers have gotten a little lighter.

Speaker 1 Like, the teams are playing, you know, too high safety and defensive linebackers are a little bit, it's not Ray Lewis anymore where it's like, you know, these guys in the upper 200 pounds.

Speaker 1 It's just Derrick Henry can just bowl over people. And

Speaker 1 we're stupid.

Speaker 1 We have dumb opinions, but it just needs to be reminded that situation is so, so important in all the sports, but especially the NFL, because if Derrick Henry was still on the Titans and Saquon Barkley was still on the Giants, they'd be having okay years on bad teams and we wouldn't be talking about them.

Speaker 1 But when you put them on good teams with a ton of talent around them that's hard to defend, you get the best of both where it's like, yeah, running backs still do matter, especially when you have an elite one and they're the cherry on the top of a really good football team.

Speaker 3 Yeah, maybe the Giants were right to not pay Saquon Barkley.

Speaker 1 They were wrong to pay Daniel Jones, but I do think that I know what you're saying.

Speaker 3 It's that like a good running back on a good team is worth the investment. A good running back on a bad team, it'll just kind of make you a little bit less bad.
Like,

Speaker 1 if the New York Giants had Saquon Barkley this year, and this is where I feel bad for Giants fans because it's basically a constant the clip of Mara and Joe Shane, like, you know, talking in the offseason.

Speaker 1 That's just being hammered in their head, and Memes does the, he's trying to deflect from the Jets where he just keeps posting, like, rushing yards for the Giants, rushing yards for Saquon Barkley, touchdowns for Saquon Barkley, touchdowns for the Giants, all those insult stats.

Speaker 1 If Saquon Barkley was on the Giants this year, would the Giants have maybe one more win? Yeah, at least. Like, they would still be a bad football team because they don't have everything else.

Speaker 1 They don't have a quarterback. So,

Speaker 1 yeah, I think the running back position is like, if you already have the foundation in a good team and then you add an elite running back, then it's, yeah, that's where running back becomes very important and takes you to a Super Bowl level.

Speaker 3 It's definitely worth it. And

Speaker 3 there are a few games where you can look back on and be like, one play really did kind of change the outcome of this game. And this one would be Quentin Johnson dropping that wide open pass.

Speaker 1 And then he probably still would have lost, but

Speaker 1 that was a 30-yard game.

Speaker 3 It was a 30-yard gain at least, and it was huge in terms of what happened right afterwards. They give the ball away, they punt away, and then the Ravens go score a touchdown.

Speaker 3 It feels at that point like it's out of reach.

Speaker 3 Now, in that instance, if he catches that, the Chargers have a pretty good chance to win that game, or at least come back and make it very, very close down the stretch.

Speaker 3 Now, I have a question for you about the way Justin Herbert handled that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So he drops that. That's kind of been the knock against Quentin.
He's had some bad times in the NFL. He's looked pretty good this year.

Speaker 1 His His hands don't always work.

Speaker 3 They don't always work. It's okay.
It happens.

Speaker 3 So when he drops that pass, Justin Herbert goes back and immediately throws two more passes to him in the fourth quarter, and he drops both of those as well.

Speaker 3 Do you think that that was the right thing for Justin Herbert to do? To be like, I trust my guy. I'm going to try to build back his confidence.

Speaker 3 Or do you think it was very mean of Justin Herbert to keep throwing the ball to him? Or was it dumb of Justin Herbert to keep throwing the ball to him?

Speaker 1 Is there an option C that the Chargers don't have elite wide receiver talent and you got to kind of just do what you get. Like Joshua Palmer was getting these deep targets.

Speaker 1 It reminds you that the Chargers are.

Speaker 3 The whole team at a lad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Lad McConkey's awesome, but the Chargers are, I feel like, an elite wide receiver next year away from being a real, real threat.

Speaker 1 Because it is like when you throw it to Quentin Johnson in crunch time,

Speaker 1 he's had a nice season. He's kind of recaptured a little of what we thought he was going to be when he was drafted out of TCU.

Speaker 1 But it is a reminder that, oh, man, if they had a T. Higgins or

Speaker 1 one of these guys, you know, a DJ Moore or I don't even know, like, you can list a bunch of guys where it's like, even a Jordan Addison, if they had someone.

Speaker 3 What if they had Zay Flowers or Jordan Addison, big cat? Yeah. Hypothetically,

Speaker 3 the two receivers that were drafted right after Quentin Johnson.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would be nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think it's kind of funny that we're talking about the Chargers and we're like, they're a good receiver away from being a really good team, which goes to show you how much Harbaugh has completely flipped what the Charges were on its head.

Speaker 3 Like the knock against the Chargers in the past was always kind of a soft team.

Speaker 3 Couldn't like run the football, couldn't stop the run. Their defense is very good.
Yeah, J.K.

Speaker 1 Dobbins getting hurt was obviously big. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You can't really rely on him to be healthy up there.

Speaker 3 But he's changed the Chargers up so much that they're sometimes winning games that they would have easily lost in the past 10 seasons.

Speaker 3 And instead, we're talking about them like they just need a great wide receiver.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's all these. Yeah, they used to have.
And it's, I mean, this is is a rebuilding year for the Chargers, and they're going to be a playoff team. And

Speaker 1 I still would take, like, the Chargers can beat anyone. Again, they have to play a perfect game.
They can't have the Quentin Johnson drop.

Speaker 1 I have a fun fact for you about the Ravens and their dominance. You ready for this?

Speaker 1 The Ravens, the only team to hold the Baltimore Ravens under 20 points this season, who is it?

Speaker 1 Let's see.

Speaker 3 They lost to the Raiders, but I think that was a high-scoring game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was recently, within the last three weeks. Oh.
The Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah. So the only team to hold them under 20 points.
That's how good the Ravens' offense has been. Before that,

Speaker 1 who was the only other team to hold them under 20 points?

Speaker 3 The Steelers.

Speaker 1 Week 18 of 2023 against the Pittsburgh Steelers. Before that, who was the only team to hold them under 20 points? The Steelers.
The Steelers, week five of 2023.

Speaker 1 The Ravens, as long as they don't have to play the Steelers, will just dominate anyone on offense. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So the last three times they've been held under 20 points, it's been the the Pittsburgh Steelers. That was from Alex

Speaker 1 Kazora. Sorry for butchering your name.
But yeah, that's what the Ravens offense is. It's just elite.
And I didn't even think like Lamar, it wasn't like one of those nights. He had a couple moments.

Speaker 1 You're like, holy shit. But it wasn't a true Lamar has taken over this game.
He played good, not incredible, and they still scored 30 points.

Speaker 3 He didn't have that sick touchdown run where he did the exact same thing he did in his high school highlight test. Yes.
We just stopped at the corner and let the guy go right by him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, did you see?

Speaker 3 The Chargers right now, I've got them, what are they? 35 to 1 to win the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, you don't have them.

Speaker 3 No, no, I'm looking at the odds right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Hop back in.

Speaker 3 I think I might hop back in on the Chargers to win the Super Bowl at 35 to 1.

Speaker 1 What do you have them at? I have 40 to 1 and 35 to 1. So hop back in.

Speaker 1 Be a friendship thing. Not you, Hank.
You're not in the friend group. By the way, you mentioned that Lamar touchdown run.
So Kevin Clark had an anecdote.

Speaker 1 He called the high school coach of Lamar Jackson. Yeah.
His name is Don Hanna,

Speaker 1 and Lamar Jackson did that kind of play against him in high school. And Don Hanna said,

Speaker 1 like, he was questioning whether he should be a football coach after Lamar Jackson did that. He said, there's something I'm not doing to put my kids in position to be successful.

Speaker 1 The feeling stayed with Hanna for a long time. Jackson had made him question his own coaching.

Speaker 1 Fast forward two years later, and he's watching Florida State and Louisville, and he can't believe what he's doing against one of the top teams in college college football. I feel a lot better.

Speaker 1 Fast forward another two years later, he's doing against the NFL, and no one can tackle him. And he's like, Oh, actually, I'm fine.
I maybe should be an NFL coach. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So Lamar Jackson had a guy basically questioning his existence for like a five-year span off of how great Lamar Jackson is.

Speaker 3 There's a good lesson in that. Don't blame yourself so quickly for small mistakes that you make.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 Because maybe other people make those mistakes much more publicly than you.

Speaker 1 Yes. So

Speaker 1 I like the idea, though, that the Steelers have built a a defense kind of specifically to beat the the ravens and if you can if you can beat the ravens then it'll make you pretty good against everybody else too right right yeah you you'll you just need to find a way to play the ravens it's basically a kirby smart alabama situation they have one team to beat if the if the steelers ever have to play the ravens in a super bowl i'm taking the steelers yeah i mean you might not beat every team all the time but if you can beat the ravens consistently then you will do you'll be hitting probably like 60 70 against the rest of the nfl NFL yeah um okay do we have anything else from week 12 before we get in so so the plan today is we're going to talk college football we're going to do the the Thanksgiving games with a pick and then we are going to have an interview with

Speaker 1 Fred Smoot and then we can everyone who wants to stop can stop if you have to work on Friday you can stop

Speaker 1 then we're going to do all the the Sunday games and then we're going to finish with the interview great interview with Kirk Cousins try to close your eyes and figure out who's Kirk Cousins and who's fred smoot yeah i bet you can't yeah it's gonna be tough uh where's hot sea cool throne hot seat cool thrones right before fred smoot so it's basically the regular show and then we add on friday show at the end with another interview for the people uh

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Speaker 1 Week 13 in college football was,

Speaker 1 I don't want to take a victory lap, but I'm going to take a victory lap because, and I think I speak for all of us here. We were all on the side of the 12-team playoff rules.

Speaker 1 The 12-team playoff is going to be great. Anyone who says the regular season won't matter is not seeing the big picture, not to name names of Tom Fernelli.

Speaker 1 We saw on Saturday a chaotic, chaotic scene all across the country in games that would not have mattered if it weren't for the 12-team playoff. Ole Miss, two-loss Ole Miss team losing to Florida.

Speaker 1 That game doesn't matter if it's a 1-team playoff. Two-loss Alabama losing to Oklahoma.
That game doesn't matter if it's a 1-team playoff. We had Texas A ⁇ M losing late to Auburn.

Speaker 1 That game doesn't matter if

Speaker 1 it's a 14-team playoff. So having these games means so much.
And I know, you know, you'd be like, well, a two-loss team

Speaker 1 shouldn't even be in the conversation. Well, they are now because it's a 12-team playoff.
I loved it. I loved every second of it.

Speaker 1 It basically started, the Saturday started where Indiana was the big loser because of how Ohio State treated them.

Speaker 1 And by the end of the night, the big winners were Indiana and Tennessee because the SEC spent all the early slate watching Indiana lose and being like, told you so. We're going to get six teams in.

Speaker 1 And then they pissed down their leg. And now the SEC is littered with three lost teams that maybe one of them gets in, but that might even be too much.

Speaker 3 Maybe not. Yes.
So if you're an Indiana fan, your Saturday went as follows. Never daunted.

Speaker 3 Game starts first quarter, never daunted. Second quarter, I'm starting to feel maybe a little bit daunted, but I won't publicly say that I'm daunted.
A touch of dauntness. Second half, you know what?

Speaker 3 I'm definitely daunted, and maybe it's okay to be daunted.

Speaker 3 Maybe we're not ready to be undaunted just yet. Then the SEC games start.

Speaker 3 We're fucking never daunted. We're never daunted.
Yes. Now you get to point to the scoreboard for SEC teams.

Speaker 3 And anyone that says to Indiana, well, maybe you shouldn't get your ass kicked by Ohio State and just point to the rest of your schedule being cupcakes. Well, guess what?

Speaker 3 Now the SEC and teams like Notre Dame, you can't make the schedule argument anymore because Indiana, if you just look at their losses and you look at their wins and their overall strength and schedule, you can't say that you should be in over Indiana anymore.

Speaker 3 So it was crazy. And now I'm going to take,

Speaker 3 I've been a big

Speaker 3 pro-college football playoff guy since they announced it. I think that having a 12 and eventually 16 playoff is awesome.
It's good. Every other sport has a tournament like this.

Speaker 3 I'm going to take, I'm going to do devil's advocate for Tom Fernelli. Okay.
Because this thought crept into my head on the drive-in this morning.

Speaker 3 Is there an argument to be made that teams, like powerhouse teams, are losing more frequently because they don't have that same sense of urgency every single week.

Speaker 3 Like, you have to be perfect or else you do not get into the four-team playoff.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think that's the case. I think it's the parody of the NIL and the transfer portal has made it so it's a lot more flattened out.

Speaker 1 And it's not like this year is, I mean, this year has had chaos, but we still have an undefeated Oregon team. We still have a one-loss Ohio State team.
We still have a one-loss Texas team.

Speaker 1 And like, so there still would be a four-team playoff that we just never paid attention to five through 12, and now we are. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like, the conversation on Saturday would have just been Ohio State, Penn State almost losing to Minnesota. By the way, shout out James Franklin.
That fake punt was awesome.

Speaker 1 Like, it would have just shifted our eyes to we're only watching those four teams play and not the rest of the teams that are still eligible for the playoffs.

Speaker 3 Like, if you're Georgia, you don't think that there's like a small, small bit that's like if you, if all these games are must-wins, they come out, they play just a tiny, tiny bit more focused or harder against Ole Miss?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I mean, I think they play, I think Ole Miss was just the better team.

Speaker 3 They were the better team that day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 It was a thought that I had. Now, I'm still in favor of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Tom's point, and I understand Tom's point, is that

Speaker 1 the like Notre Dame losing to NIU in the past would have been a catastrophic loss that ended their season. You do lose a little of that.
I agree with Tom there.

Speaker 1 But Notre Dame's playing good ball right now. Like, I know that Army, I had Notre Dame versus Army.
I thought they were going to kill him. They killed him.
Army was undefeated going to that game.

Speaker 1 I want to see Notre Dame. And I don't know if Notre Dame can win the entire thing, but they could probably win a playoff game, maybe two.
I do think there's been such a mess at

Speaker 1 all these

Speaker 1 conferences. And the Big 12 has eight teams

Speaker 1 still

Speaker 1 could get into the Big 12 championship game. I do strongly think that if your name's not Oregon, Ohio State, or Georgia, you're not going to win the whole thing.

Speaker 1 But I'm happy about the 12-team playoff. So it's kind of like we're going to get to the same thing at the end, but it's going to be more fun during the season because you have these crazy results that

Speaker 1 like Alabama losing to Oklahoma. Alabama already would have had just a disappointing this season is over before Saturday night.

Speaker 1 Then having that, it's like, holy shit, how do you not make the 12-team playoff? You're Alabama.

Speaker 3 Could you see Tennessee going on a little run? Tennessee also

Speaker 3 was a big winner throughout this Saturday. Like everything that had to happen in Tennessee and more happened.
Yeah, I said that.

Speaker 1 The Indiana and Tennessee were the big winners.

Speaker 1 I'm still a little nervous about Nico.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but I've seen like flashes here and there from Nicole. He hasn't been good this season, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 3 But he's had a couple plays, a couple games where I'm like, oh, this guy's really good. And anytime I see that out of a young player, I'm like, what if they just become that player?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the other big winner we should say is the ACC because now SMU and Miami in a collision course course to which I'm not ruling out more chaos happening this weekend.

Speaker 1 I think rivalry weekend throughout the record books, there could be more chaos that we don't even see.

Speaker 1 But SMU and Clem or SMU and Miami, both of them should get in now with a bunch of three-loss SEC teams.

Speaker 3 They should, yeah.

Speaker 1 And Texas AM, by the way, is still alive if they win out. So if Texas A ⁇ M beats Texas, they'll be in the SEC championship game.
And if they win the SEC championship game, they're automatically in.

Speaker 3 So there's another big story that happened after Oklahoma beat Alabama. Brent Finnibles,

Speaker 3 the under-fire coach, I would say, for Oklahoma. I think that's fair to call him.

Speaker 3 He spent a Saturday night at a Taco Bell in Norman after beating Alabama. He and his daughters spent $94 at Taco Bell.

Speaker 1 How many daughters?

Speaker 3 I'm going to guess two.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 I'm going to guess two daughters.

Speaker 1 That's a lightweight order.

Speaker 3 That's $94 at Taco Bell between a football coach and two daughters.

Speaker 3 He might have had like $70 worth of orders. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So I don't know how that breaks down, but I do know that that's kind of a big boy. It's a big boy order to do that with your daughters.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, hey, he deserved it.
They rushed the field twice. Yeah.
They rushed the field. There's rushing the field everywhere.

Speaker 1 Hank already pointed out, because he seems to only care about our teams losing PFT, that Nebraska

Speaker 1 rushed the field on Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 It's a big win for Nebraska. Yeah, they deserve it.

Speaker 3 They haven't been to a bowl game in like a decade. Yeah, been a bad, bad football team.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Really bad. And shout out to our good friend Dana because he turned around that offense.
Yeah. Good.
Shout out to Dana.

Speaker 3 Also, news breaking this morning, Mac Brown has been fired.

Speaker 1 Oh, I thought he was going to come back.

Speaker 3 Mac Brown has been fired by the University of North Carolina.

Speaker 1 He said he wanted to come back after he had tried to retire halfway through the season.

Speaker 3 He quit. He quit after JMU beat them.
I think it was 70 to 50.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 He quit for 24 hours. I don't even think it was 24 hours.
I think it was like a five-hour

Speaker 1 quit. Remember, he told his team, I don't think I can coach you anymore.
And then on Sunday, they talked to Mac Brown's assistant, and he was like, he'll be at work. He'll be at work on Monday.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he says this all the time. This is Mac.
So do you think Mac does it? Do you think he gets another job or he goes back to TV?

Speaker 1 I would say he's probably done.

Speaker 3 Probably going to TV.

Speaker 1 Yes, I would say he's probably done. That's interesting because now

Speaker 1 we'll see. I mean, if...
If Kirby Smart wins the national title this year, we're going to have,

Speaker 1 how many national title head coaches will be, will there be? Like, zero, there'll be just be Kirby Smart.

Speaker 3 Just Kirby Smart. No, Dabbo.

Speaker 1 Yep, Dabbo. Dabbo.
Because Jimbo's gone.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Harbaugh's gone.

Speaker 1 Harbaugh's gone.

Speaker 1 Ed O's obviously gone. Urban Meyer's gone.

Speaker 3 Sabin's gone.

Speaker 1 Sabin's gone. I don't know if we're forgetting someone.
I'm sure we are. And fucking this up.
No, I don't know. I think we're right.

Speaker 1 I think that's it. So it would be just be, I mean, obviously, Ryan Day or Dan Lanning could could join the crew this year.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think that's it, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's crazy. Mac Brown was the best part of the trivia question of how many head coaches currently have a national title.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that was the do you know ball question about Mac.

Speaker 1 Last thing I wanted to talk about with college football.

Speaker 1 Do you want to do a new segment? A new segment. It's called Our Unbiased Take on the Heisman Trophy Race.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 3 It's hot. Why is it so hot in the studio?

Speaker 1 All right. So, quick, unbiased take on the Heisman trophy race.
I have a couple of things I would like to say to Heisman voters that might be listening.

Speaker 2 Listen. Here, just put your laptop down.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 All right, put my laptop down. I have some stats I have to read as well.
I'll find them on my phone. So, unbiased take on the Heisman Trophy race.

Speaker 1 The first thing I'd like to say is, so I believe the Heisman ballots go out on Monday, and you can send them in as early as you want, or you could wait for conference championship weekend to happen.

Speaker 1 We know how politics have worked in the last, whatever, decade,

Speaker 1 actually going all the way back to 2000, fraught with, you know, maybe some voter fraud, some irregularities. What I would like to say to the Heisman voters is send in your ballot early.

Speaker 1 Make sure your ballot gets counted. You get that ballot on Monday or Tuesday.
You fill it out. You send it right back.
So I've read. Nothing in Conference Championship Weekend can change your opinion.

Speaker 3 Yeah, there's nothing to stop you from registering in multiple states either.

Speaker 3 You don't have to worry about signature verification if you're in California.

Speaker 3 I know sometimes it'll take the voters from California maybe two months to process the vote, so you should get them in now just so you have a higher likelihood of them getting counted.

Speaker 3 If you look at it, I think it really comes down to two guys, Big Cat.

Speaker 3 I think it's Genty from Boise's. Ash and Genty having a great year.
He's having a great year. He has a fantastic year.

Speaker 3 You know, they're saying that he's doing things that haven't been done for like 30 years or so.

Speaker 1 Hold that thought real quick.

Speaker 3 I'm holding the thought. I'm holding space for that thought thought right now.

Speaker 1 Unbiased, unbiased, unbiased Heisman Trophy talk. Can you say that last sentence again?

Speaker 3 Yeah, Ashton Genty is doing stuff that, you know, people are saying that it hasn't been done for 30 years or so. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Melvin Gordon in 2014, I can't remember what team he played for, he had 2,587 yards, 7.5 yards per carry, which is the same as Ashton Genty, 32 total touchdowns.

Speaker 1 Now, Ashton Genty right now has 2,000, a little over 2,000 yards and 28 total touchdowns. So he could get to those numbers.
Melvin Gordon played in, I think it was the Big Ten.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and didn't Melvin Gordon

Speaker 3 put up some of those stats against a very avaunted Nebraska defense.

Speaker 1 He rented 400 yards against Nebraska.

Speaker 3 A really tough defense with great linebackers.

Speaker 1 Another random guy because we've never seen this before.

Speaker 1 Again, Ashton Gentee having a great year. No, no, like he's having a great year.

Speaker 1 Monty Ball, I don't know where he played.

Speaker 1 2011, he had just south of 2,000 yards, 39 total touchdowns.

Speaker 3 And he was was fat.

Speaker 1 And he was fat, and he did that.

Speaker 1 I think he was in the Big Ten as well. We also have just random guys.
Kevin Smith, who played for UCF in 2007, he had 2,500

Speaker 1 rushing yards and 29 touchdowns. And Rashad Penny, who actually plays in the Mountain West in 2017, had 2,248 yards, 7.8 yards per carry, which is more than Ash and Genti, and 23 touchdowns.

Speaker 1 So it seems like we maybe have seen this before. Again, we're we're very unbiased here.
This is our unbiased Heisman Trophy take.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and, you know, Barry Sanders did it a long time ago. All-time great.
Nothing to take away from Barry Sanders.

Speaker 3 He had some very, very impressive stats that are, I think, currently, as they stand, better than Ashton Genty's.

Speaker 3 So Ashton Genty is doing stuff that has almost never been done before, with the exception of those, what, five people that you mentioned? Well, actually,

Speaker 1 I want to give credit to Ashton Genty real quick because he has done something that's never been done before, as far as I know.

Speaker 1 He had

Speaker 1 nine total touchdowns against Utah State and Georgia Southern. I don't know if anyone else has done that.
So,

Speaker 1 yeah, a third of his total touchdowns came against Utah State and Georgia Southern.

Speaker 1 So, he has done something that no one's ever done.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so but overall, big picture zooming out, very impressive season. Incredible.
I'd say one of the best seasons for a running back of all time in the last five years.

Speaker 3 Five years, five years, six years.

Speaker 3 Now, wait, Georgia Southern, they beat Ole Miss, right?

Speaker 1 I don't think so.

Speaker 3 They lost Ole Miss. Yeah.
They had one big

Speaker 3 James Madison.

Speaker 3 They beat James Madison. That's what it was.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 you're right, Big Cat. Pretty impressive season.

Speaker 3 Travis Hunter was the other name that came to mind. Oh, who's

Speaker 3 he play for?

Speaker 1 I don't even know.

Speaker 3 He plays for the Colorado Buffaloes.

Speaker 3 Ask me what position he plays.

Speaker 1 PFT, what position does he play?

Speaker 3 He plays two positions, Big Cat.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Oh, is he kicker and punter?

Speaker 3 At the highest of levels. He probably could.
He could be like Sammy Ball if you want him. And he also plays a little bit of quarterback, too.
They do a lot of direct snaps to him.

Speaker 3 So really kind of three positions for the Colorado Buffaloes. He plays wide receiver, cornerback, and yeah, occasionally he'll take some snaps as the quarterback in some running situations.

Speaker 3 Now, he's doing things that nobody has ever done in the history of college.

Speaker 1 Not even in the last five, ten years?

Speaker 3 Not even in the last five to ten years. No, and it's like every time he puts the ball, you put the ball in his hands, he scores a touchdown, which is pretty impressive.

Speaker 3 And he doesn't get bottled up in halves either. I've noticed that.

Speaker 3 Sometimes you can say about other players, they might be bottled up for a little bit, but you give them enough reps, they're going to break one through.

Speaker 3 You can't bottle up Travis Hunter.

Speaker 1 You can't bottle him up.

Speaker 3 The guy is a beast. He is a ballhawk, and he's dynamic with the ball in his hands.
And he's probably going to be invited to be

Speaker 3 to the awards for the top defensive back in the country and also the top wide receivers in the country. I believe that's Blitnikov and is it the Jim Thorpe? Yeah.

Speaker 3 He'll probably be nominated for both of those awards.

Speaker 1 I got a question for you, PFT. So does he,

Speaker 1 cornerback and wide receiver, does he play over 100 snaps a game?

Speaker 3 Yeah, even more than that, you could say, because you don't take into account the penalties, as our good friend Joe Clatt would tell us.

Speaker 3 So when you look at the total snaps that he plays, it's way over 100 snaps per game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, all right, last question about this guy, Travis Hunter, who I'm just learning about.
So he plays both sides. He doesn't score touchdowns, touchdowns, does he?

Speaker 3 All he does is score touchdowns.

Speaker 1 Did he score a couple on Saturday?

Speaker 3 He had a pair of touchdowns on Saturday.

Speaker 1 But Colorado, you said that he played for Colorado. Yeah.
They lost to Kansas. So did Kansas throw for like a million yards, or did they run for a million yards?

Speaker 3 No, they ran the football.

Speaker 1 Oh, they ran the football. So actually,

Speaker 1 he did his job, and he, if you watch the game, which I didn't, but I'm just saying I might have watched the game. They just didn't throw at him because he's such a good cornerback.

Speaker 3 They don't really throw at him, but even when they don't throw at him, he still manages to get interceptions. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wow.
Any questions, Hank?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 I feel like it's like,

Speaker 2 it seems like there's no media bias whatsoever. It's not a popularity contest.

Speaker 2 I've seen people say that. It doesn't really make sense.
Like, this isn't, it has nothing to do with his popularity or, you know, the sexiness of it. It's just strictly numbers.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, PFT just explained it. Like, we're, it's one guy who we've literally never seen this happen before, and then another guy who we see it happen every five to ten 10 years.

Speaker 1 And then also maybe sometimes against better competition in the Big Ten, Melvin Gordon Monty Ball. Again, I don't know who they play for.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I mean, this is a no-brainer. If I had a Heisman vote, I think I'd go Travis Hunter.

Speaker 1 We did a bad job this year. We didn't really talk about the Heisman much.

Speaker 1 So I'm happy that we're kind of at the end of the regular season when, again, you should send in your vote early, often, right away.

Speaker 1 No, no conference. I don't count conference championship weekend.

Speaker 3 No, don't wait. Don't wait to see what happens.
Anything can happen.

Speaker 1 So send in your vote early.

Speaker 1 And it sounds like it's kind of

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter. If I had to vote right now, I think I'd vote Travis Hunter unbiased.

Speaker 2 Whose line is it anyway? You guys said you haven't been locked in, but whose line is it anyway, would you say for the Heisman Trophy right now?

Speaker 1 I mean, it should be like Travis Hunter minus like 5,000 if everything what PFT said is correct.

Speaker 2 Right now it's Travis Hunter minus 800.

Speaker 1 Minus 800.

Speaker 2 Ashton Gentee is plus 600.

Speaker 1 Well, that's kind of crazy because it doesn't seem like, again, it's something we've never seen before.

Speaker 2 I mean, minus 800 is like basically a sure thing.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 3 What is the difference?

Speaker 1 This fucking guy. Hank is a tiny thing.
This fucking guy. Tell the truth.
Tell the truth. Basically,

Speaker 1 Hank, hey. Look at me right now.
Hold on. I'm putting, hold on.
Tell the truth, Hank.

Speaker 3 Did you bet on Ashton Gente to win the Heisman?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 No, I did not. Okay, I'm not.
And if you follow me on the DraftKings Sportsbook Barcelona Group, you would know that.

Speaker 3 At that point, I would almost respect it if you bet on Travis Genty. That'd be crazy.

Speaker 1 I bet on Travis Hunter.

Speaker 1 Unbiased Heisman Trophy conversation is over. I put my sweatshirt back on.
What the fuck are you doing? I'm bet on Trump. What the fuck are you doing?

Speaker 1 I'm just talking about.

Speaker 2 You're doing a thing. I thought I was trying to speak from the hate.
Okay, my bad.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 you just said it was a sure thing. What are you doing?

Speaker 2 That's not what I said.

Speaker 3 Travis Hunter has

Speaker 3 nine receiving touchdowns, 74 receptions,

Speaker 3 911 receiving yards. He's got two carries and a rushing touchdown.
That's a pretty high percentage, isn't it?

Speaker 1 What is that? Back to unbiased.

Speaker 3 Is Ashton Genty's carry-to-touchdown ratio is it better than

Speaker 3 two carries with a rushing touchdown?

Speaker 3 Does he score touchdowns 50% of the time he touches the ball?

Speaker 1 No, definitely not.

Speaker 3 Does he play defense?

Speaker 1 He does not play defense.

Speaker 3 Okay, so Travis Hunter.

Speaker 1 He also plays in the Mountain West, which I like the Mountain West. Great Mountain West.

Speaker 3 Travis Hunter, 23 tackles, 8 PBUs, 3 picks. And oh, yeah, he has a forced fumble at the goal line that won his team a game.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 3 That's crazy. That is crazy.

Speaker 1 Hank,

Speaker 2 I don't like you, Hank. Lock it up.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 1 I love you. Fucking clean it up.
I love you too. All right.
Unbiased Heisman talk is over.

Speaker 1 That was our college football talk. I'm happy for the listeners that we were able to finally talk about the Heisman Trophy, which we haven't done all year.

Speaker 3 You think any voters out there just hate Deion so much that they'll take a vote out against him?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 those people should hand in their vote and don't vote

Speaker 1 if you are that biased.

Speaker 3 Yes, we're unbiased. Be a big J.
Be a big J and admit your biases and be like, you know what, I am going to recuse myself from voting because there's a conflict of interest. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because Deion wouldn't answer my question at a press conference.

Speaker 1 And vote early, vote often. We can't say it enough.
Make sure you get that in. Conference championship games don't really matter.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's do our

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Speaker 1 For details, by the way, we did that whole thing, and I don't know why. So, Pug, Max is in Philly.
Pug is, I don't know what we have on the TV right now. We have like a,

Speaker 1 they're like a English artifact finders.

Speaker 3 Why are we watching the show?

Speaker 1 Pug, what did you put on the TV?

Speaker 1 I have Max up right now. No, you do not.
We are watching two British women look at like an old scroll.

Speaker 2 This is a good finishing example because it said pounds. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it just looked British. Yeah, yeah, no,

Speaker 3 it was the teeth. Yeah.
What a beautiful pair of earrings that we have here.

Speaker 1 Oh, look at this.

Speaker 1 This is when we colonized every country.

Speaker 3 My mom actually gave them to me as a wedding present, but they actually came from my mom.

Speaker 1 We put them through her granny.

Speaker 3 My great-granny. Oh, how wonderful.
Oh, granny. They are absolutely stunning.

Speaker 1 When is this? This is from when we colonized every country in the world.

Speaker 3 Our Prince Harry has left for the United States, but now he's in a professional separation from his girlfriend. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's not talk about this. Misery gave up the kingdom for a girl.
A pedophile. Ah, Max.
You're back. I don't know why we had that on.
Are you in a bathroom? Max, can you hear us?

Speaker 2 No, I'm in the basement.

Speaker 7 My mic just got fucked up again.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Are you pooping? Like seconds before. You look like you're in a bathroom.
You look like you're in a bathroom.

Speaker 3 We should do an episode where we're all pooping.

Speaker 1 Oh, that would be good. Pardon my poop.
Max, real quick, before we talk about the Thanksgiving games and the Black Friday game, were you able to hear our unbiased Heisman conversation?

Speaker 7 Yeah, Hank's a fucking asshole. He always is.

Speaker 1 What was that?

Speaker 1 It was like.

Speaker 1 basically, PS and I were playing a perfect pick and roll off. So was I.
And then Hank just showed up and just tripped out. No words.
I said it.

Speaker 2 I said, basically, you got whatever.

Speaker 1 Said basically, Magic. You just tried to jinx it.
You know.

Speaker 2 Hank, you've done that a million times.

Speaker 2 I was doing, I was talking, I was talking from a unbiased.

Speaker 1 He doesn't. He doesn't know.

Speaker 1 It's his life. He doesn't know how to get out of it.
It's his life. I did love.
This is the Brooks.

Speaker 2 This is there's sometimes when I troll it, sometimes when I get it.

Speaker 3 I did love Barcelon Paul Paul being like, all he does is try to make the podcast better and all you guys hate on him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I mean, Hank did a phenomenal job on Monday's episode, I will say that.

Speaker 2 Like

Speaker 7 phenomenal, phenomenal podcasting by Henry.

Speaker 3 Yeah, instead of calling timeout to hate like Mr. Kraft would like him to do, he literally calls timeout to hate so he has more time to take.

Speaker 1 I have Travis Hunter.

Speaker 1 Like, I have Travis Hunter.

Speaker 3 I actually think it'd be very funny if you had secretly had Juji this entire time.

Speaker 2 But like, that's where it's like, you guys are coming down my throat i'm in the same exact boat

Speaker 1 what are we doing we're coming down your throat

Speaker 7 i don't think you did that on purpose but i think your brain yeah

Speaker 2 if i said it was a lock then it'd be different i said so basically that's opening up the idea to to to whatever i was trying to play into their bit

Speaker 3 How was that playing along? I'm just curious.

Speaker 1 It wasn't a bit, by the way.

Speaker 2 Because I was doing the, like, you guys, I was basically giving the sides of people who are against Travis Hunter, and I was giving you guys the opportunity to refute it by being like, oh, like, it's a popularity contest.

Speaker 2 No, like, oh, it must be a sure thing then. Like, no.

Speaker 2 You're giving a reason for why it's not a sure thing, and you should vote early.

Speaker 3 Hank, there's a great quote by Kurt Vonnegut. I think he says, we are what we pretend to be, so we must be very careful about what we pretend to be.

Speaker 3 And I feel like you have pretended to be a troll so much that it is actually running through your blood right now.

Speaker 1 I think it's the opposite. I think he does.
Kifty, your entire career is based off being a troll.

Speaker 1 This whole T-word gets thrown around. How do you think I know that negative thing?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, let's talk Thursday and Friday games.

Speaker 1 We're going to do one pick each for Thursday, or yeah, for Thursday and Friday, and then we'll do two picks on Sunday. What is the updated standings? Do we have that?

Speaker 3 I believe Max had two wins last week, and so Max is now a half game back of me.

Speaker 1 So he's still in last.

Speaker 3 And I'm one game back of you, big cat. And I think you might be one game back of

Speaker 1 We're a human centipede of losing picks. Yeah, nobody is

Speaker 1 losers. Me and Hank, 12 and 12, Big Cat 11-13.
PFT 10-14. Max, 9-14-1.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's talk the games. First up, Bears at Lions.

Speaker 1 Lions minus 10, over under 48.5.

Speaker 1 I am on high alert of a very embarrassing Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 Yeah, this is bad timing to be playing against the Lions right now as the early game on Thanksgiving because that's going to set the tone for your entire day.

Speaker 1 It feels, yeah, I know the Lions lost last year to the Packers.

Speaker 1 I don't feel good about the Bears' chances in this game. Did you guys see

Speaker 1 Matt Eberflus? Who, by the way,

Speaker 1 they should fire him after we get embarrassed by the Lions.

Speaker 1 Because at this point, I know the Bears have never fired a coach in 100 years' history in mid-season.

Speaker 1 At this point, you should honestly tell Caleb, like, hey, we fucked up with Shane Waldron and and Matt Eberflues are bad. We're firing them right now.
It's your franchise.

Speaker 1 You're going to have a very big part of who we hire next because it's your franchise.

Speaker 3 So you're saying fire Eberflues after Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 Right after

Speaker 3 on Thanksgiving. Leave him in Detroit.

Speaker 1 Leave him in Detroit.

Speaker 1 He was asked about the

Speaker 1 challenge that he had of Jordan Addison, where

Speaker 1 he might have gone out of bounds and they challenged the play.

Speaker 1 He says it always warrants a a challenge when you have that big of a gain, even if we don't have the best look at what we would have. Yeah, it's not good.

Speaker 1 Admitting that essentially if there's an explosive play, even if you think that everything was fine, just challenge it because you just want to challenge it.

Speaker 2 It's a rage challenge.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it happens all the time. Coaches challenge a play because they don't like what happened.

Speaker 1 But they don't admit that.

Speaker 3 They won't admit it, but he admits it, which is pretty crazy. There should be somebody on that staff that is in charge of watching the plays and telling them when to challenge.

Speaker 3 That's bad. It's a bad thing to think.
It's a bad thing to do. And it's a pretty terrible thing to admit publicly.
Yes. It's almost like he wants to be fired.

Speaker 1 Do you think is David Montgomery going to play?

Speaker 3 I don't think it matters. I don't know.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 The Lions are going to do whatever they want on offense because that's the biggest thing is the Bears' defense is falling off a cliff.

Speaker 1 Injury update. Will the Lion play on Thanksgiving? This is Pug on the computer.
He sits out walkthrough practice. Yeah, the Lions are going to win this game.
I don't know what to say.

Speaker 1 I just hope that Kale plays well. Like, the Lions Lions are going to win this game.
It's crazy that we are in a world where for the longest time, the Thanksgiving early game was the Lions

Speaker 1 like in the midst of a terrible season and you have the sad pilgrim guy taking a nap halfway through the game. Lions are the best team in football and they get their center stage on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 I wish it wasn't at my expense, but it is and I understand the deal here.

Speaker 3 I'm always curious about the pattern of Lions fans on Thanksgiving because you've had this game for a very long time.

Speaker 3 It was only yours and I think Jerry Jones was like, I want to get in on some of that turkey action. Give me that.
The Cowboys should have one too, but it's been the Lions tradition.

Speaker 3 What is the pattern? What do you go through? What does your day look like as a Lions fan? Do you have family over and you all go to the game together? Do you have

Speaker 3 a lot of stuff pre-made before you go to the game? Then you go home, you pop it in the oven. Do you get a nap on Thanksgiving if you're a Lions fan?

Speaker 1 I think if you go to this game, are you saying, guys, people who go to the game?

Speaker 3 People that go to the game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I think if you're going to the game, the perfect way to do it is you go you tailgate and you have everything ready for after the game and you do thanksgiving uh dinner like at the tailgate in the parking lot after the game that'd be fun which has to hit so much harder if you have a good team yeah or you could actually do it before i mean it's 1230 local time you could you could do a thanksgiving you know do thanksgiving dinner at like 11 30 and then leftovers i mean that's I think that's too early for regular people, but if you're going to a game, Thanksgiving dinner at 11.30, then leftovers when you get out of the game.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you might be able to, depending how cold it is, it might keep pretty well in the parking lot afterwards.

Speaker 3 But yeah, it's got to be a whole different animal for Lions fans having a good team to watch, a fun team to watch on Thanksgiving. Hopefully

Speaker 3 you have a good one afterwards because eating a sad, somber Thanksgiving every single year.

Speaker 3 I bet people from Detroit have a completely different vibe of what Thanksgiving is like from the rest of the country because they had to deal with such shitty teams for so long that they'd be forced to watch in the morning.

Speaker 3 And then Thanksgiving is probably pretty low down on their list of national holidays compared to the rest of the country.

Speaker 1 But now it's a celebration.

Speaker 3 Now it's the best.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Now it's a celebration.
By the way, this is just a fun stat I came across.

Speaker 1 Since playing the Buccaneers,

Speaker 1 the Eagles and Lions are combined 16 and 0.

Speaker 1 So the Bucs are the third best team in the NFC. This is all I got from that stat.
Yeah. So 16 and 0.
The last loss for the Eagles and the Lions is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Speaker 1 It's pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 The Lions are. It's crazy.
I think they're the best at everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I really do.

Speaker 3 I think that they have maybe the best running attack in the NFC. I think they've got the best.
Yeah, Max. This is.

Speaker 1 Max? He said the best at everything.

Speaker 1 Everything.

Speaker 7 I mean, that's incorrect, but that's fine.

Speaker 1 Well, they can't be the best at

Speaker 3 the best at having Saquon Barkley.

Speaker 1 But they're also not the best at running quarterbacks. That's true.
Lamar and Josh Allen would be, I would take them over Jared Goff in terms of running.

Speaker 3 But I'm saying, like, as a team,

Speaker 3 they might be the best at everything.

Speaker 1 This is also, by the way, the biggest favorite the Lions have been since 1968. That's pretty crazy.
So 1968 was the last time they were this big of a favorite on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 So yeah, they usually it's usually a bad scene. Max, do you want to dispute that?

Speaker 1 What are the Eagles better at?

Speaker 7 I mean, they're They're comparable at every single position. Their defense and the defense is better.

Speaker 1 The Eagles' defense is unequivocally better. Okay.

Speaker 3 They are better at

Speaker 3 yards allowed per game.

Speaker 7 Which is a pretty important thing for a defense.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 3 they are better at running the football.

Speaker 7 Which is a pretty important thing for an offense.

Speaker 1 It's also true. But yeah, no, the Lions are better at everything.

Speaker 3 I'd like to walk back that take gracefully. The Lions are better than the Eagles at almost everything.

Speaker 7 No, this is perfect, though, because I love that everybody who doesn't, everybody across the NFL has just anointed the lions the winners of the nfts they've anointed the lions as the winners of the super bowl i agree with you matt even though when you just look look at the stats the eagles are right there yeah they're a different team than than the first four games since i mean

Speaker 1 ball since baldiani has come out it's they're the best team of football yeah the uh i yeah i i think the eagles are are right there i know lions lions fans have also gotten to the point where they're they're they've

Speaker 1 They haven't embraced the fact that they're just like the favorites to win the Super Bowl and like they'll be mad if you pick against the Lions.

Speaker 1 It's like if you pick against the team, it doesn't mean you think the team stinks. It's called a spread.
Right.

Speaker 1 I'm one and one picking against the Lions in the last three weeks when I had the Texans and then last week I obviously had the Colts.

Speaker 1 Here's another stat that's going to suck for the Bears. Favorites of over 10 points are 9-0 against the spread on Thanksgiving since 2005 and 11-0 against the spread in the wild card era.

Speaker 1 So big favorites Thanksgiving, they just crush.

Speaker 1 All right, next game. Gross.
Jerry World. Giants and Cowboys.
Cowboys minus four over under 37.5.

Speaker 1 I don't know. This is going to suck.

Speaker 3 Is this Drew Locke, or are we getting more Tommy?

Speaker 1 I think it might still be Tommy.

Speaker 1 This is a perfect nap game. Yeah, yeah, good timing.

Speaker 3 Good perfect nap game. Good timing for the nap.
I would like to see Drew Locke start in this game. I don't know if we're going to get him, but Jerry Jones came out this week.

Speaker 3 He did his hit on 105.3, and he said, I don't see why we wouldn't be thinking about keeping Mike McCarthy around, giving him an extension.

Speaker 1 So they are thinking about it.

Speaker 3 I also think there's a chance Jerry just might be fucking with Mike McCarthy. Yeah.
Just like, he knows he's going to fire him, but he's trying to be nice guy, Jerry, in public.

Speaker 1 Listen, he. Wait, what is that? QB.

Speaker 1 What is that? Stop typing. Giants QB.
Drew Lock revealed final request he made of Daniel Jones. What was that?

Speaker 3 Hold my hair. Can I have your locker? Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're going to shoot me. Drew Lock jokes he wouldn't let Daniel Jones out of the building after hearing of his release until the fourth.
Oh. He just said he was going to kidnap him?

Speaker 1 This game's going to stink.

Speaker 3 One last thing he would do before the team

Speaker 3 at the facility. If he leaves without doing a jersey swap, we're going to have a problem because

Speaker 3 I really want a Daniel Jones jersey.

Speaker 1 Wow. I mean, you could go to probably Dick's and get one for $20.

Speaker 1 I have a theory.

Speaker 3 I think Drew Locke, as you know, he's played backup quarterback a few times. I think he wants to have the jerseys of all the guys whose jobs he took even momentarily.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, which I guess he technically hasn't. So he needs to get Tommy DeVito.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, he hasn't taken his job yet.

Speaker 3 Has he been playing Scout Team Safety? He might have. He might have, yeah.

Speaker 1 He might have taken his job there. I don't really know this game.
I'm probably going to end up betting the Cowboys, and something weird is going to happen because it's the NFL.

Speaker 3 Does this not, though, feel like a great time to take the Giants?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, it's just the Cowboys won, the Giants got embarrassed.
Yeah. Flip it.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Also,

Speaker 3 I recall Tommy DeVito's season last year starting pretty poorly, right?

Speaker 3 Well, he. And then he had a couple games where he was.

Speaker 1 He came in. When he came in,

Speaker 1 yeah, he had, I think there was that Raiders game that wasn't very good, and then he had the Monday night game against the Packers, which is great. That was big.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So Tommy is capable of pulling it together.

Speaker 3 Do Italians do the seven fishes on Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know if Tommy's capable.

Speaker 1 I think he is what he is. We'll see.

Speaker 1 I would like to have an Italian Renaissance with Tommy. That would be nice.
That would be a lot of fun.

Speaker 3 How many crowd shots are we going to get of Sean Stilato?

Speaker 1 Ooh, I don't know if he'll be there.

Speaker 3 You don't think so on Thanksgiving with all the cameras on him? He's got to do the seven fishes though. You think Sean Stilato is more of a low-key guy?

Speaker 1 He doesn't like to come to listen.

Speaker 3 I think that's only Christmas, though. Oh, yeah, that is Christmas.
Max,

Speaker 1 what do Italians eat on Thailand?

Speaker 7 I was just chomping at the bit to correct you on that. There's no seven fishes during Thanksgiving.

Speaker 3 Lasagna.

Speaker 1 Lasagna, you guys eat lasagna?

Speaker 7 Lasagna is an Italian Thanksgiving thing for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What do you eat for Thanksgiving? I traditionally

Speaker 1 go traditional. Oh.

Speaker 1 Okay. Next game.
Next game. Packers, Dolphins at Packers.

Speaker 1 The line right now on DraftKings is Packers minus three and a half. Over-under is 47.

Speaker 1 Tua

Speaker 1 in

Speaker 1 weather under 40 degrees, which I think is going to be like 20 degrees on Thursday night in Lambea. He is 0-4 straight up, 1-3 against the spread.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it doesn't. I'm very nervous about the Dolphins' chances in a cold weather game.

Speaker 3 I'm kind of in on Tua, though, being a destroyer of narratives.

Speaker 1 Well, here's the thing: the Dolphins are in a weird spot because they are 5-6. They have the chance to make a run here down the stretch.

Speaker 1 They have been a good team when Tua has been playing, and they've been obviously a terrible team when he's been out.

Speaker 1 Why not have this be the game that you destroy the cold weather narrative? I would like to see, because we're taping this early.

Speaker 1 My big thing is, like, is Mike McDaniel making too much of the cold? Because remember when he did the t-shirts before the Buffalo game?

Speaker 1 And it's kind of one of those things where if you talk about it so much, that's all you're going to think about.

Speaker 1 Just let it be cold.

Speaker 3 He's probably watching film on the weather. Yeah.
He's probably got the boys in the meeting room tuned to weather.com and showing stuff on the big screen about it.

Speaker 3 I don't know. This makes no sense to me.
It makes no sense why I would right now start to believe believe that the Dolphins can win a cold weather game.

Speaker 3 But for whatever reason, the fact that Tua talked about it, I think I'm in. I think I'm in on the Dolphins winning a game.

Speaker 1 How cold? It's going to be like 20 degrees in Green Bay on Thursday night.

Speaker 3 I want to see what kind of haircut Tua comes out with. If he has a fresh haircut, he's not winning that game.

Speaker 2 He's got the frosted tips right now.

Speaker 3 That's perfect for the cold.

Speaker 3 Yeah. But if he has, like, if he hasn't worried about

Speaker 3 getting a shape up, if he's got, you know, stray hairs looking kind of shaggy,

Speaker 3 that's a quarterback that can win in the cold weather.

Speaker 1 I'm not a hater,

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 if I were going to be a hater and I was trying to get some copium going and be desperate to try to tell myself the Packers are not that good,

Speaker 1 I would maybe point out the fact that the Packers, I believe, have only beaten one team over 500.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So I think it's just the Houston Texans would be the only team. Are the Cardinals exactly 500 right now?

Speaker 1 I think the Cardinals are exactly 500.

Speaker 3 Are you saying that the Packers are fraudulent?

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, if I wanted to say, you know, hey, look at this. This is interesting.
The Houston Texans are the only team they've beaten that are over 500. They've beaten the Colts, the Titans.

Speaker 1 The Rams without Cooper Cup and Puka Nakua, the Cardinals, the Texans, the Jaguars, the Bears and the Niners without Brock Purdy.

Speaker 3 Interesting.

Speaker 1 Oh, I guess the Cardinals. So Cardinals and Texans.
Cardinals are six and five. So Cardinals and Texans, two teams.
Did you just have to? If I had to just say that.

Speaker 3 So the Dolphins' record on Thanksgiving was, what, seven and

Speaker 3 one, two, three, five and two?

Speaker 1 Five and two. Okay.
That's

Speaker 3 something.

Speaker 1 I don't even remember the Dolphins playing on Thanksgiving. That doesn't even.

Speaker 2 2011 was the last time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
So that doesn't even feel like a real thing.

Speaker 3 And I think all these games were indoors. This is the first time the Dolphins have played outdoors on Thanksgiving.
Huge, huge storyline. Ooh.
Destroyer of narratives, man.

Speaker 3 He's like Khaleesi.

Speaker 1 Okay. Last game, Friday, Black Friday, works pumped for this game, right, Hank? Pumped.
Pumped. Chiefs, Raiders,

Speaker 1 Chiefs minus 12.5, over under 42.5.

Speaker 1 Aiden O'Connell? I think we're going back to AOC.

Speaker 3 We're just skipping over Desmond Ritter.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The only take I really have on this game is I think this is, I know the Chiefs' big spreads have been, you know, they don't cover big spreads very often, especially on the road, so they're home here.

Speaker 1 And they also have struggled a little against the Raiders.

Speaker 1 I think this is a get-right game for the Chiefs' defense because they gave up 30 points to the Bills. They gave up 27 points to the Panthers.
They've hit a little bit of a low.

Speaker 1 I think this is Spaggs being like, hey, guys, this is Aiden O'Connell. If I don't don't get three turnovers this game and, you know, and like five sacks,

Speaker 1 we got problems. So let's really do let's do what we should do and what we're built to do and just smother them as a defense.

Speaker 3 Do you think Antonio Pierce pays attention to the spread?

Speaker 1 No. You don't think so? No, because remember, he kicks field goals in weird times.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but some of those weird times where he kicks field goals are very convenient for the spread.

Speaker 1 I think he doesn't care about the spread. He just is addicted to kicking field goals, and and sometimes that helps us.

Speaker 3 Sometimes it accidentally.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because he is addicted to kicking field goals. Yes.
Yeah. That feels like the

Speaker 1 because why? Because they covered last time?

Speaker 3 No, they lost by 10. What was the spread of that game with the Broncos?

Speaker 1 Oh, no, they did not cover that. They did not cover that.
Yeah, the Broncos were minus 6.

Speaker 3 But did they try to do something at the end of that game?

Speaker 1 No, I'm thinking of

Speaker 1 the Chiefs game they played earlier this season. They were kicking a bunch of field goals.

Speaker 3 And I think it was the Rams, too. The Rams earlier this season.
I want to say they were down maybe nine points late. He He kicked a field goal to get within six.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he might pay attention to the spread. Either way, this is the same.
I'm paying attention to whether or not Antonio Pierce is paying attention to the spread.

Speaker 1 I got my eyes on this game because this is what this is my personal the Chiefs better just smush the Raiders. Otherwise, I'm I'm not going to just go off the record.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go off how they're playing. Yeah.
Does that make sense? Like, they have to

Speaker 1 the conversation about the Chiefs being 10 and one, I think they're the 60, there's 64 teams that have started 10 and 1 in the NFL in the Super Bowl era. There's 63 out of 64 point margin.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to start really, if they win this game by 6 or 3,

Speaker 1 I'm going to start leaning into that and being like, I don't believe this 11-1. If they win this game by two scores or more, that's exactly what they should do.
Smash the bad teams.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I could also see this being the Max Crosby game.

Speaker 3 Max likes to show up in very important games every now and again.

Speaker 3 Just to remind people that Max Crosby is like a great defensive player, even though he's stuck on a shit team. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I believe it was the Chiefs game that they kicked a field goal to cover the spread eight and a half earlier this year. What were you going to say?

Speaker 3 I was looking at the, yeah, so the Rams won as well. Yeah.
Yeah, Rams was a big one. So it was a seven-point spread.
I believe they were down nine. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And they kicked a very sad field goal at the end to get it within six. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What were you going to say? The other thing?

Speaker 3 Oh, I forget. I was just talking about Max Crosby.
Like, we have forgotten a little bit about it. He's gotten lost in the sauce this year.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Because there's been really nothing to pay attention to, especially their defense as a whole has been bad.

Speaker 3 And I feel like he shows up occasionally on these standalone games where everyone's like, oh, yeah. Remember the Condor? Yeah.
Absolute monster.

Speaker 1 This

Speaker 1 game.

Speaker 1 Ah, man. I just...
I'm excited for it. That's all I really have.

Speaker 1 Right, Hank? I have a question for Hank. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Hank, does the NFL make sense?

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is a big question.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 It doesn't. Okay.
No.

Speaker 3 It would make absolutely no sense if the Raiders beat the Chiefs on Black Friday, right?

Speaker 2 No. But an interdivision game.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think this might be my NFL Doesn't Make Sense game.

Speaker 1 Ah, because Pug just pulled up. Remember the first time they played this was the Mahomes Kermit the Frog.
He said that it will be handled when it's handled.

Speaker 2 But then they didn't.

Speaker 1 Well, they beat him, but he didn't cover. Yeah, yeah.
No, you're right.

Speaker 3 You don't get two Kermit the Frog games.

Speaker 1 But he also said

Speaker 1 it will be handled when it's handled. Maybe he meant when they come to Kansas City.

Speaker 1 Because he didn't actually say when it would be handled. He just said it will be handled when it's handled.

Speaker 3 You think they delayed the handling of it?

Speaker 1 Well, it's very genius of him because he can just wait till they beat the Raiders by like 30 points and be like, all right, you see that? That's exactly when it was going to get handled. Handled.

Speaker 1 Told you it was going to get handled.

Speaker 3 I mean, last weekend, playing down to their opponent. Panthers look good.
Panthers offense look good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that you're doing last weekend, this weekend. Like, Panthers was the NFL doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 So, would you rather have. So,

Speaker 1 you're chasing the NFL doesn't make any sense, High.

Speaker 3 Who do you trust more? Bryce Young or Bryce Young. A-O-C.
Bryce Young.

Speaker 1 But, okay.

Speaker 3 The NFL doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 But Bryce Young.

Speaker 3 But the NFL doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 They were 11-point, and the Panthers were in that game. I feel like that was the game.
The NFL doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 I've talked myself into the Raiders.

Speaker 3 You can hear me getting stupid or making words.

Speaker 1 Are you saying money lines? Because that's all that matters. But the NFL doesn't make sense.
Because if the chiefs win by 10 it's not like

Speaker 1 raiders money line okay wow wow um this also will be our definitive uh is shadur sanders tweeting after raiders loss or is he tweeting after going to church because this game's on a friday so we'll find out well he preemptively did it last week yeah so we'll find out uh all right let's do our picks then we'll do hot seat cool thrown and get to fred smoot who's up first

Speaker 2 This shouldn't count. It's no sneak.

Speaker 1 But this actually counts more because there's less to choose from.

Speaker 2 I guess.

Speaker 1 You want it to not count? Who's up first? It would be PFT. So I'm fine with it not counting.
What do you want to do?

Speaker 3 We count it every year, don't we?

Speaker 1 No, no, no. He's saying

Speaker 1 you should get to go first this time and...

Speaker 2 No, I guess you're right. You're right.
PFT should just go first.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 there's only four games, so it is a benefit to go first here.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Okay, I'm going to take the Lions.

Speaker 3 Okay. Until further notice.

Speaker 1 How do you not take the Raiders after that whole speech?

Speaker 3 Because I'm taking the money line.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Lines by speech.
Somebody has to take the Raiders plus 13 if you're going to.

Speaker 2 You're taking the money line, but you don't want to free 13 points. I'm speaking.

Speaker 3 I'm diversifying my points.

Speaker 1 You have to take the Raiders. You just gave us the speech.

Speaker 3 How can I not diversify my point? I'm going to bet the Raiders money line on my own.

Speaker 3 Hank, Hank, we're a national football podcast.

Speaker 1 National sports podcast.

Speaker 3 National podcast. I would feel irresponsible giving out a pick like that to the listeners that tail us every weekend and live and die with our bets.

Speaker 3 And if you do that, you're an idiot, by the way, because we're awful again.

Speaker 1 But it's 13 points.

Speaker 2 Wait, what do you mean you'd feel terrible?

Speaker 3 I don't want to endorse that publicly and tell people, like, hey, you just did.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you did.

Speaker 3 I'm not, I'm taking the lines until we get to the point.

Speaker 2 If you're betting the money line, but you're not, you don't feel confident giving them 13 points. Correct.
But you feel confident in them winning.

Speaker 3 I don't feel confident in them winning. I am going to do it because I want the rush of being right about something.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 But that doesn't.

Speaker 1 you're playing both sides. Yes.

Speaker 1 You want the rush of being right about something, but you're not making your official pick. So then if the Chiefs kill them,

Speaker 1 you can be like, oh, I never said that. No, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 I don't want there to be any consequences to being wrong.

Speaker 3 How is that a new phenomenon on the spot? You're doing a free bet.

Speaker 1 I'm doing free roll

Speaker 3 on the Raiders.

Speaker 1 Free bet, audio free bet.

Speaker 3 But I'm taking the Lions until further notice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all right. I'll take the over in Bears, Lions, over 48.5.

Speaker 2 I will take the under in Dolphins, Packers, under 47.

Speaker 1 Good pick, Hank. Thank you.
I'm taking the over in Giants, Cowboys, 37.5.

Speaker 1 Oof.

Speaker 2 Although I did that last week, I was like, Tommy DeVito can't score, and the Bucs almost did it on their own. Yeah, but it didn't score.
It's Cooper Rush, yeah.

Speaker 1 Because Tommy DeVito can't score. Yeah.
So you were right. Max.
But

Speaker 2 it was more of a sweat that I was expecting.

Speaker 1 Max.

Speaker 7 I disagree with PFD. I will be taking the Chiefs minus 12 and a half.

Speaker 1 Ooh, okay.

Speaker 3 I was actually going to take the Chiefs if it came back.

Speaker 1 Okay.

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Speaker 1 Thanks, Dan.

Speaker 2 My hot seat is me.

Speaker 2 Just unfortunate timing. Celtics are in town for the NBA Cup game against the Chicago Bulls, and it's this Friday.
The only weeks we're out of town.

Speaker 3 Damn. So you're going to miss Coach?

Speaker 2 Gonna miss Coach. You're not going to be with Coach.

Speaker 2 Not going to see Coach. He will be back in December.

Speaker 3 Do you expect a text from Coach just to let you know, hey, I'm in town?

Speaker 2 No, no, he's probably busy. He's probably game planning.
I don't think he's he doesn't need recommendations. I'm sure he's just kind of like a hotel prep.
Maybe go do some jiu-jitsu.

Speaker 3 You're going to leave some for him at the hotel?

Speaker 2 Maybe, yeah. I got to find out where they're staying.
But, yeah, NBA Cup, it means more. Sad I don't get to see the court in person.

Speaker 2 Just unfortunate scheduling. I would like to talk to schedule makers next year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, make sure they get that.

Speaker 3 How are we doing with our bets on the NBA Cup?

Speaker 1 Good question. I think you and I are both five and one.
Oh, wow. So we'll put out our, if you're listening to this, reminder, every Tuesday we put out all of our bets

Speaker 1 on all of our socials.

Speaker 1 PFTN, I think, are 5-1.

Speaker 1 We're playing for a free bet, $10,000 free bet, I think. Pretty cool.
So, NBA Cup. I love the NBA Cup, and I am actually a believer

Speaker 1 in the courts. I like them.

Speaker 3 I do too.

Speaker 2 Have you seen the red ones? Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 You can't really see. I just like something different because otherwise the NBA Cup was stupid in my mind.

Speaker 1 I'm totally a sucker.

Speaker 3 Admitted sucker.

Speaker 2 they're doing color rush yeah i just like to be able to see the basketball man that's overrated

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 uh okay

Speaker 2 cool throne my cool throne is uh biz nasty oh yeah he was my cool throne as well paul bizonet

Speaker 2 soon as you lose pft um

Speaker 2 oh you went first yeah you should have tried to go first uh

Speaker 1 he

Speaker 2 a report came out that he got in a in a fight in a restaurant and then when the the details of the report came out he's just like he's like

Speaker 2 he's like two men in one like he's he's so much more manly than than anyone I can even like all of us combined aren't equivalent to the man that biz is yeah he's basically he was at a restaurant that he goes to a lot sitting by himself saw a bunch of like group of eight drunk golfers gone out of their mind trying to order a drink and the bartender told him no like you can't drink in this area they were getting mouthy and he just stepped in to try and diffuse the situation and they just started fighting them eight on one and he they were getting physical with the manager.

Speaker 3 Yeah. The guy was assaulting the manager and Paul is like a fucking superhero.
Yeah. He got up.
He's like, I saw that they were unequipped to kind of handle themselves. They were smaller guys.

Speaker 3 So nobody's sticking up for these guys. So I said, you know what? I'm going to tell these guys where to stick it.
And then he got up in the dude's face.

Speaker 3 It was like, stop assaulting the wait staff or we're going to go outside. And then one of the dudes punched him from the side.
He got booted a couple times. He got boot fucked outside the CD.

Speaker 1 He got booted, got back up. I'm sure he fucked these guys up a little bit.
Yeah. Seven guys.

Speaker 3 He said that he dropped one of the guys

Speaker 3 when he got bum rushed outside. I can't wait to see the CCTV.
And he wants the guys' names. He wants to take, I think the way he put it was like, I want all their names.

Speaker 3 I want to take them all out behind the barn one-on-one. Yeah.
Which is awesome.

Speaker 2 And he said he'd drop all the charges if he could just take these guys one-on-one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Rough and rowdy. He looks great, too.

Speaker 3 I mean, obviously, they really, really fucked his nose up pretty badly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's going to probably need a surgery.

Speaker 3 But besides that, he not a scratch on his face.

Speaker 1 Did he say, can you play the start of the video real quick?

Speaker 1 Biz is the best. We love Biz.
And he's just, I mean, he is just so manly. The fact that seven guys,

Speaker 1 I would just get knocked. I'd probably die.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's like, there was a strategy, too. He's like, you know, you can't stay still.
You got to keep moving backwards because, you know, if they get you on the ground, then you get fucking...

Speaker 2 What was he calling it? Boot fucked.

Speaker 3 Boot fucked.

Speaker 3 They got boot fucked in the CVS parking lot.

Speaker 1 Boot fucked.

Speaker 1 What do you say? Started again? Start the video. What's up, gang?

Speaker 11 I just wanted to pop by because the news is out there and I'm getting a lot of texts and calls.

Speaker 11 Love love you guys, uh, thank you guys all for reaching out and checking.

Speaker 2 You gave a bunch.

Speaker 11 Um, I just want to kind of address what happened.

Speaker 3 I think it's uh took some gave more so you hear it from my mouth.

Speaker 11 I don't know what's kind of, I know there's a few articles that came out and uh news is floating around, but uh, along of the gist of it, and I address the whole thing and talk way more in detail on tomorrow.

Speaker 1 This

Speaker 11 is the podcast. Like, it just so happens this happened last night.

Speaker 11 Today was a recording day, and to be quite frank, it was kind of nice to hop on with the boys and just have some laughs and and kind of what do you say about the bus for four hours

Speaker 1 he said go to dinner

Speaker 11 at this place called houston's i go there like three four times a week some of the staff's menus and all

Speaker 1 and just like good people and i love going there and he kept saying oh i thought he said it was a family joint or something no he kept saying family restaurant oh yeah i mean it

Speaker 1 it is a chain Family restaurant.

Speaker 3 Yeah. There's a family restaurant.
I actually listened to Spitting Chicklets this morning to hear the full story from Biz. And yeah, he's like, it's a great restaurant.
Very militaristic.

Speaker 1 He's the best. I fucking love him so much.
Yeah, no, he is. It's an A1 guy.

Speaker 1 He was like, it's an awesome restaurant.

Speaker 2 It's like a military.

Speaker 1 It's really like a military. He's like going to eat at the military, pretty much.

Speaker 3 What does that mean?

Speaker 3 So he wants the guys' names. I want the guys' names.
I'm tracking down their names right now. I'm trying to get the names to Biz,

Speaker 3 and I can't wait to see what he does.

Speaker 3 Because, I mean, Biz is, this is the ultimate good guy move that he pulled. And it's dangerous what he ended up going through.

Speaker 3 Like, if you fight seven guys at once and you get knocked on the ground and they start kicking your head, like, that's some dangerous shit. He's a badass.

Speaker 2 Imagine blacking out in Scottsdale with your boys. I mean, I guess we would never be in a situation where you just fucking fight a random guy, but no,

Speaker 2 these guys got in a fight, blackout drunk, woke up in jail, and then it was like, yeah, the guy you got in a fight with is biz.

Speaker 1 He's asking for your names and the one on one with you.

Speaker 2 He has a national podcast,

Speaker 1 global podcast, because he's Canadian.

Speaker 2 So he's a worldwide podcast, international podcast.

Speaker 2 And he's coming for your neck. Like, this is just the beginning.

Speaker 1 He is just the one guy. Like, if you're like, hey, someone at Barcelona got jumped and he was fine and now wants to fight him all.
Yeah, Biz. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And also, somehow, like, just the way he explains things. I mean, it's why they're spitting chickles so popular.
Like, wit and biz, just the way they talk, I could just listen to forever. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just him, yeah, explaining the whole thing.

Speaker 1 What was the mellow?

Speaker 1 What do you say? The

Speaker 1 restaurant was?

Speaker 3 It's a a very militaristic restaurant.

Speaker 1 A militaristic organization? Yeah. It's a great organization.

Speaker 3 Biz, great guy, all-time dude. I can't wait to see what he does once he finds out who these are.
This is the start of his John Wick story. Yeah.
Like, you want to see it?

Speaker 1 I want Rufford.

Speaker 1 Imagine Rough and Rowdy just a tournament

Speaker 1 one right after the other.

Speaker 2 They should have to do it on the ice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it knocks him out. Yeah.
You want one?

Speaker 2 Rough and Rowdy on skates.

Speaker 3 So one thing that Hank conveniently omitted from his story, these are a bunch of golfers. Yeah.
A bunch of golfers. I think.

Speaker 1 No, he did say it. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 1 Your alerts were a little high.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say right now, your alert on Hank is a little too high. A little too high.
Crazy. Just turn it down a little bit.

Speaker 3 Going through everything Hank says with a phone.

Speaker 1 A little bit.

Speaker 2 Not actually. Taking a little bit.
Yeah, like you're just choosing narratives and then just spitting them out there.

Speaker 1 All right, your hot seat, cool throne. Well, that was your cool throne.
So what was your hot seat? My hot seat is Drake. Oh.

Speaker 3 Yeah, explain this to me. So Drake's on the hot seat.
You're probably going to screw this up. Drake?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I had this on my hot seat and I didn't want to. I don't know.

Speaker 1 It was too complicated. I opted out on it.
So I I had too many conspiracies.

Speaker 3 I read a few headlines, and then I just saw people talking about it online. So this is what I believe happened.

Speaker 3 Drake is suing his own record label

Speaker 3 because he's claiming that they artificially inflated the stats on Kendrick Lamar's Not Like Us disc track, which was it's the track that ended the battle this summer.

Speaker 3 Just absolutely destroyed him, the one certified pedophile. Yeah.
That one.

Speaker 3 So Drake is suing his own record label because he's claiming that there were like bot views that gave him like millions of views and downloads and listens on his song.

Speaker 3 And he's saying that ended up being bad for his career because now everyone's talking about how great this song was.

Speaker 3 He's not familiar with the Stry Sand effect, where now, first of all, if you call the cops and get like the courts involved because you lost a rap battle, that might be the worst look of all time.

Speaker 3 Agreed. And then you're only driving more attention to Kendrick Lamar.

Speaker 1 Agreed.

Speaker 1 Who I get.

Speaker 3 The only person that had a worse beef with Kendrick than Drake would be Father John Misty. Did you see that story? No.

Speaker 1 I'm not up to date on any of these stories.

Speaker 3 All right, so I think it's like the last six times Father John Misty has put an album out. Okay.
Kendrick Lamar has put an album out that same day. Oh, shit.
And Kendrick like sneak dropped fucking.

Speaker 1 Fuck is Father John Misty.

Speaker 3 You don't know Father John Misty? He's very popular. He's a singer-songwriter.
Okay. But is he religious? No.

Speaker 1 Yeah, why is his name Father John Misty?

Speaker 3 That's just kind of his name. Okay.
But no, he's very popular. So for the last, I think, six albums that he put out, Kendrick put out an album on the same day, just completely stealing all the shine.

Speaker 3 And then last Friday, Father John Misty had an album coming out, and then Kendrick, like, very sneakily dropped one that nobody saw coming, like, a couple hours after Father John Misty had, like, a little bit of time to be like, finally, I got away from Kendrick.

Speaker 3 And he's just like, oh, no, Kendrick is going to put it out again.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I think

Speaker 3 I'm going to go out of limb and say this is a bad strategic move on Drake's part. Yeah, I'd agree.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 I think that's where I get, I was trying to get in the weeds, and then I was like, this is, but I, the more I looked into it, the more I think Drake might like, he's not going after Kendrick, he's going after the label.

Speaker 2 The UMG tried to say, like, you're not mad at us, you should be suing Kendrick Lamar. And he's like, no, I'm coming at you.
It's just like, they're skeletons in the closet that they're not trying to.

Speaker 1 The headline of Drake suing

Speaker 1 based on the like,

Speaker 2 but I think Drake knows that, and he's like, I'm going to, I'm going to, people are going to, you know, say I'm being a pussy and like I'm a sore loser, but this is for the greater good, and I'm coming at the label.

Speaker 1 Right, but I'm, I'm stupid, I don't understand any of this. All I saw was Drake suing in relation to beef with Kendrick Lamar, and I ended my judgment of the whole thing right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's calling like, damn, he called, he called the cops, Kendrick.

Speaker 3 He called the cops because he got beat in a rap battle too bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what it's called. That's what I'm explaining.
All right.

Speaker 1 My hot seat is anyone who's trying to to go after Jon Fanta on Twitter spaces. I don't know if you guys saw this last night, but Fanta,

Speaker 1 I think it was a Cincinnati fan, was mad at Fanta for his bias for Xavier over Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 Well, if you look over the course of the last several seasons,

Speaker 3 Jon Fanta has been saying that Xavier is a better basketball program than Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 But it happened on the court.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all right, play it real quick. This is Fanta in all his glory.
Adam, go.

Speaker 12 Hey, John, thanks.

Speaker 12 Just following up on the crosstown shootout, How bad did it hurt to finally rank Cincinnati ahead of your buddy Sean Miller this week?

Speaker 3 Oh, this guy sucks.

Speaker 13 Didn't hurt me one bit, Adam.

Speaker 13 I do my job. Cincinnati's better than Xavier right now.

Speaker 12 You've had Xavier ranked ahead of him all season until this week. I just figured it had to hurt.
I know your buddies with Sean. I mean, just, you know.

Speaker 13 I got a job to do, Adam.

Speaker 13 So, Adam, you call me up.

Speaker 1 This is where he is. This is what it's cooking me.

Speaker 13 And you want to tell me it must hurt me to rank somebody against over somebody else?

Speaker 12 I've seen the media bias in Xavier's favor for the last several years.

Speaker 14 Yeah, they've been a better program.

Speaker 14 They've kicked Cincinnati's butt.

Speaker 14 They've been a better program by a wide margin. Frankly, Cincinnati, we've been waiting for this version of Cincinnati.
Cincinnati's been, their butts have been kicked.

Speaker 14 You're using the past couple years. No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 14 That's your argument? Xavier's been better than Cincinnati in every facet. There's a media bias.
I go off score. The scores of the game were Xavier over Cincinnati.

Speaker 14 You want to tell me about how I feel about stuff? I don't lose sleep over where I rank a team.

Speaker 14 I lose sleep over whether I took the trash out on time, whether I picked up the right groceries for my wife if I'm taking care of her right now, and the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 14 I didn't lose any sleep over them, Adams, but I might lose sleep because of you. Happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 12 Happy Thanksgiving, Johnny. Go Browns.

Speaker 14 No, you don't get to salvage the call.

Speaker 1 That's my favorite. I want to make that

Speaker 1 shirt. All right, so you don't get to salvage the call.

Speaker 3 So Fanta is, he's giving off strong, strong lawyer vibes. If I ever get arrested for anything, I want Jon Fanta representing me in court, bring that same passion.
He sounds like Matt Locke.

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He just brings it to the people. He's ready to get in the mix with the people.
You don't get to salvage the call. Jon Fanta.

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Speaker 1 Now here's Fred Smoot.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on recurring guest, one of the greatest talkers we've ever been around in studio. It is the man, the myth, the legend, Fred Smoot.
Fred,

Speaker 1 welcome into the studio. Welcome into the office.

Speaker 1 Thank y'all for having me,

Speaker 1 it's good to be around a whole building of talkers.

Speaker 1 So now you don't feel like an outsider. Like, you want to talk about inclusion? This is inclusion that is finest.
Yeah, and no one can talk like you. So let's talk some ball.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 are you watching every game? Are you still tuned into every game? Are you still like, man, why haven't you coached, by the way? No, I ain't going to do it. Why?

Speaker 1 I was blessed with the gift of gal. Yeah.
And guess what? I do go help. I help my sons.
I help his friends out. I train them sometimes.
Coaching is a lot of damn time.

Speaker 1 Like, you got to realize, Coach Gibbs,

Speaker 1 I remember when he asked, a lot of people don't understand this. I actually kind of springboard Coach Gibbs to coming back to football.

Speaker 1 I was actually driving home after the season after Coach Spuria quit on us.

Speaker 1 When Coach Spuria quit, the people at ESPN say, hey, come do an interview right quick. And I'm just talking outside of my head.
And the last question they asked me, well, who going to be y'all coach?

Speaker 1 And I was like, the only person who can save us is Coach Gibbs.

Speaker 1 He happened to be watching ESPN at that time with his wife the only thing coach said he didn't want to do was ask his wife can he go coach again because it's just so much time right and she looked him in the face said you do want to go coach again he was like yeah i do two days later he was out here coach thank you that's how that happened so i could watch coach gibbs come in there on a monday He don't actually get to see Mitch Gibbs to a Thursday night or Friday.

Speaker 1 He spends the night there. And all the coaches I watching, my friends that doing coaching now, I was like, man, can can I give football more that much more of my life.
Yeah, no, I'd rather talk it.

Speaker 1 I enjoy talking it because I can get in and out of there. I can do my studying beforehand and I can spew it out and I can get going back to my life.
I love smart, and is it?

Speaker 3 Yeah, you are very good at it. Could anybody talk shit with you? Like, was there a receiver that you'd be matched up with?

Speaker 1 My classmates, I pound like if you look at my class, the 2001 class, I want y'all to go back through this class, draft pick for draft pick.

Speaker 1 We might have the most dense class in each position: quarterbacks, Michael Vick, Drew Brees, running backs, Ladanian Thompson. I can just go on with the running back.
We had tons of running backs.

Speaker 1 Wide receiver, one of the best talkers of all time, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith. That ain't even getting into the Santana Mouse's, the Reszi Rains, and getting into all them guys.

Speaker 1 Then we got the Richard Seymour.

Speaker 1 We got guys at every position you can think of. It ain't a position we didn't have in that 2001 draft.
That 2001 draft, when it's all said and done, we might have 10 yellow jackets in that draft. Wow.

Speaker 3 So I'm looking at the list pretty good. But was there something like Chad?

Speaker 1 Was the guy on the field he could give it back to you? And me, Chad, and Steve Schmidt was all in junior college at the same time.

Speaker 1 With Deion, Branch, Javon Walker, all us in junior college at the same time. So we yapping at each other before we even own on Saturdays.
Once we get into the Saturday part up, we yapping them.

Speaker 1 Then the league comes and all us kind of transform into who we are. So the junior college thing, I feel like I've never really dove into it, but what was the decision to go to junior college?

Speaker 1 Was it it like you didn't have any offers?

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 1 how does it work where you're in junior college and are there guys that are like, hey, these guys are going somewhere else? And then you're playing with guys who are like, hey, this is the limit.

Speaker 1 How does that all work? Well, to me, is I had the academics, I had everything, but I was about 165 pounds. I was skinny.

Speaker 1 And I did not,

Speaker 1 all my college, they recruit me. Of course, they smart.
They want me the red shirt. They want me to put on some pals.
They want to protect me. And I'm like, no, I want to play football.

Speaker 1 Like, Fred Smoot just sitting on somebody's campus being a regular student ain't going to work for me. I need to play football.

Speaker 1 So, luckily, I had one of the best junior colleges in America down the street from me, Heinz Junior College.

Speaker 1 By the time I make it there, Grady Jackson, Michael Myers, all these guys leaving, they on a two-peak. I come there, we three-peak national champions.
We whooping everybody around the nation.

Speaker 1 So, I was like, yeah, I'm going to go here, win me a couple of championships. Then I'm going to Division I because I do not want to stop playing football.
I want to get better game in and game out.

Speaker 1 And a lot of my draft class, we was all in junior college together.

Speaker 1 So that's what's the big thing about junior college. It gives you a chance to do what the other guys can't do.

Speaker 1 Cause old Miss wanted me to come. They were like, come on, we want you to come on camp.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Now,

Speaker 1 like they say, an item of mine is the devil's workshop.

Speaker 1 I'm like, no, Fred Smoot needs reps.

Speaker 1 I need to rep.

Speaker 1 And I need to rep against the best. That's one thing about junior college.
Ain't no age restriction. Ain't no.

Speaker 1 You can play against some grown men.

Speaker 1 So it's a whole different belly of the beast. So I enjoyed junior college because it taught me lessons, man.
So you're there for two years?

Speaker 1 Well, a year and a half, two years. A year and a half.

Speaker 1 But when you're playing junior college, you're obviously always thinking like, hey, the next step is I want to go to Division I.

Speaker 1 And so after you're due a year and a half in division college, were the offers flooding in or was it? Oh, yeah,

Speaker 1 they were flooding in when I was coming out of school.

Speaker 1 They just all wanted the same thing for me. And that's not to play football.

Speaker 1 And I wasn't willing to do that.

Speaker 1 So now when I, my second chance to get recruited now i'm getting recruited i'm the number one defensive back in the junior college right so now i'm getting recruited by everybody like i was when i came out but now they want me to play that's all and luckily my coach jacket shirt one of the greatest college coaches of all time baby he recruited like seven of us from junior college we was the top of our positions we came to mississippi state and for the next two years we had the number one defense in college football giving up I think nine points a game.

Speaker 1 So he understood I need to go get players that's ready to play now because the worst thing can happen to you at junior college is sitting because we play on fridays i'm watching football all saturday all i do is watch sec so i'm watching champ bailey i'm watching everybody and i'm like i can play with these guys yeah so you itching to get to to play with these guys and you know you don't have the time that they got so once you get there as a junior Like,

Speaker 1 ain't no sitting no bench. You got to be ready to play now.
Right away.

Speaker 3 Did you think about leaving the state or was always you're going to stay in Mississippi?

Speaker 1 Oh, no, I was thinking about leaving the state. I almost went to Indiana with Randall L.

Speaker 1 Randall L and his brother was at Indiana with Coach Cam, and he was going to let me play both ways, wide receiving cornerback. I almost went to West Virginia.

Speaker 1 They literally had seven pros on their team. So I was taking trips.
At first, I was only taking SEC trip because you know it's SEC against the world where I'm from, Mississippi.

Speaker 1 But then after I say, I get recruited again, I say, I'm going to do what I didn't do the first time, and I'm going to go give other divisions a chance to recruit me. And that's what I did.

Speaker 1 I got to go see some great schools. And by the way, I really love Bloomington, Indiana.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The times that I can remember, because it was a blur for the whole weekend. It was great in Bloomington.
Wait, so you, you, at what point did you decide you're not going to play both ways?

Speaker 1 Because we've talked about it, obviously, all this year. Travis Hunter playing both ways.
It's insane.

Speaker 1 I don't think people understand how hard it is to never come off the field. It's hard, especially at the rate he's doing it.

Speaker 1 Usually, I was going to do it similar to Champs. Like, I got to play offense at Mississippi State.
Yeah. But it's...
It's trick play. It's a package.
It's a package.

Speaker 1 It's not you are a wide receiver and you are a full-time corner because it's just usually it's just too acting too much. Not too much when it comes to being in shape, but too much mentally.

Speaker 1 Like imagine this guy he had to take that whole defensive playbook, then come around and remember the whole offensive playbook. That's a lot.

Speaker 1 Luckily, he's been a part of Coach Prime's team since he's a freshman. It makes his crossover to that very easy.
But I think

Speaker 1 what it takes on the body, the toe, what it takes on you mentally, most guys can't do it. And I think when he gets drafted, Trav, they will draft him as a corner.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they will spot play him as a wide receiver. Because if he gets on a pro team, he can legitly be your best corner.
But he's probably going to be your third best receiver. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it's going to be the same similar thing, like where they have different packages. Yeah, they have a package for you or two.

Speaker 1 I can see that happening, but also I can see a team saying no because he's skinny like me.

Speaker 1 Pro in college, two different things. Yeah.
I don't know if he could take that 17-game pro,

Speaker 1 happen to check receivers that's 6'5 ⁇ , 230 pounds, and then turn around and catch on DBs like Jalen Ramsey. I don't know if you can do that.
You also don't want him going across the middle.

Speaker 1 You're like taking big hits. Well, the thing about it is, I can't put you in and don't do stuff.
Like, if I put you at wide receiver, you can't have limitations. We're going to play.

Speaker 1 Because if not, us at the cornerback position, we're going to know he ain't going across the middle. I'm just going to play him outside.
I'm going to pick the ball off. It's simple math.

Speaker 3 It's got to be nice for a cornerback cornerback to play wide receiver every now and again because then you get those flags occasionally, right?

Speaker 3 Like every time you touch a wide receiver, I feel like cornerback is the hardest position to play.

Speaker 1 It gives you permission to be a diva. You get to play a little wide receiver.
You can do a little crying.

Speaker 1 You can go over there and say it ain't fair what you're doing right there. And like the one thing about receiver, it's turned into that it position.

Speaker 1 Like every kid on the playground now wants to be a receiver. Back when I was coming up, Deion was so hot.
All us ex-receivers, we wanted to be a cornerback. The cornerback was the glamour position.

Speaker 1 But because of college and the NIL and Jamar Chase and all these type of players, it's back to the wide receiver position. It's that it position that everybody wants to play.

Speaker 3 Is it true that a cornerback is a wide receiver that can't catch? And that's why you got to play.

Speaker 1 Hey, listen, man. Like they always say, man, a grasshopper will tell a lie to a horse if you let him.

Speaker 1 They always say that.

Speaker 1 They do in Mississippi.

Speaker 1 Receive, I mean, DBs can catch, because think about it. What's harder to catch? A ball that's meant for you, a ball that's not meant for you?

Speaker 1 So for me to go steal this ball, I got to anticipate, jump in front, catch a ball that don't belong to me, steal this ball. That's the one thing about a cornerback.

Speaker 1 A cornerback is somebody that you don't take to church with you. We're taught to lie.

Speaker 1 Lie. This is how we lie to ourselves.
You can beat me for 80 yards. I still turn around and tell you, oh, I'm the shh.
It's me. So I'm lying to myself.
I have to lie to myself. We taught to cheat.

Speaker 1 I got to stop you by any means necessary. Sometimes I hold you.
Sometimes I won't hold you. Sometimes I do this.
I do that. And we paid to steal.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 The more we steal, the more rich I am. Yeah, yeah.
Right? So everything that you do as a cornerback, it's kind of got this bad boy connotation to it.

Speaker 1 So you have to mentally be strong to play that position.

Speaker 3 Did you ever do the trick where you'd find out what color jersey your opponent was going to wear in the same way?

Speaker 1 And I'm going to wear the same colour gloves. Yeah.
So if they wear white jersey, I'm going to wear white gloves. They wear black jerseys, I'm going to wear black gloves.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so when I'm holding them, you'll never know it. See, that's them OG tricks.

Speaker 1 You be in the league five, six years before you start to do stuff like that. Luckily, when I came into my meeting room, imagine walking into this meeting room.
As a rookie, I get drafted.

Speaker 1 Martin Schottheim drafted me to the Commanders. Washington, it was Redskins at the time.

Speaker 1 I walk into the meeting room, Deion Sanders sitting in there, Daryl Green sitting in there, Champ Bailey sitting in there, Mark Carrier sitting in there, Sam Shade sitting in there.

Speaker 1 I walk right out, like, why did you draft me?

Speaker 1 He's like, boy, go on back in there and learn from them dudes. I had so much, like, when I say I had just a brain trust.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's probably the best defensive back room of all time.

Speaker 1 Of all time. Yeah.
Of all time. Nobody could compare it to that defense.
Come on, I just named three yellow jackets. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just named three yellow jackets and people would argue over these who the best.

Speaker 1 It's crazy what I walked into. Yeah.
Now, you are such a good talker. Fast talkers.

Speaker 1 Well, were you ever, did you ever have a moment where you're talking shit on on the field and you were talking too fast? And the guy was like, I don't even understand what you're saying, Fraser.

Speaker 1 Oh, lots of times.

Speaker 1 And I think it's the fast talking plus the southern. Yeah.
The southern talking. So sometimes it can come off as Charlie Brownish to a guy, especially if I'm like really emotional about it.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'd have had Reggie Wayne just look at me and say, what?

Speaker 1 You're like, I hope that wasn't supposed to get to me because I haven't understood nothing you said the last six planes. And I'd be like, all right, I'll tell you when you get back out here.

Speaker 1 See, I was one of those talkers. I wouldn't just talk when the play was going on.
I mean, one going on.

Speaker 1 They're like the snap of the ball, jam the guy. Now I'm running up the sideline.
I'm talking to him as we run. Like, that's my whole thing.
Yeah. And I'm really just trying to get you to focus on me.

Speaker 1 Right. That's how I'd have won so many battles.
It wasn't because I was the better player. It's because mentally I had you thinking about me instead of doing your damn job.

Speaker 1 So that's where I win these mental battles at. And don't let you mess up one time.
Now it's been an avalanche. Yeah.
Because you are who I thought you were.

Speaker 1 I told you to wear pants out here with pockets in them so you can put your hands in them. You need that.
Like to make it with me today. Like, so I would just drill it on.

Speaker 1 And if I start before the game, during the game, and after the game, we ain't lose a drop. Yeah.
Now they think you're crazy. Yeah.
Like, yeah, now they like, man, I'm not dealing with you.

Speaker 1 Were there any wide receivers that were great shit talkers back? They're like, oh, shit. Me.
Game on. Me and Chad, me and Plex, me and Steve Smith.
Yeah. Plex coding had some.

Speaker 1 I don't think people understand how big Plex is.

Speaker 1 Plex is basically a power forward in basketball in the league. He's huge.
All right. So battles with him.
And a lot of people don't. Joy Galloway was a beast, especially when he was at the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 Terry Glenn, those guys. So I had, ooh, fast Freddie Mitchell who came out with me.
And Freddie Mitchell is an idiot. Fred X.

Speaker 1 Freddie Mitchell. Let me tell you something.
Class with another one of my classmates.

Speaker 1 Freddy would go four quarters.

Speaker 1 We was rarely up on them because them the Donovan McNeil nab years with Andy Reid. So they was in their bag.
They was winning. We'll be down like 15.
It'll be like two minutes left in the game.

Speaker 1 Freddy would come across the middle, catch like a nine-year-old ball. And that's his only catch of the game.

Speaker 1 And he would just get up and just fast Freddy this time. I like,

Speaker 1 just be quiet, dude. What are you doing? Like, if the game is over with, you're not part of the offense.
What are you? Every chance I get, Fred, they're gonna feel me.

Speaker 1 And that's every pro athlete. Yeah.
Like, that's why y'all see a five-yard catch and a wide receiver get up and give you the first. Like, it's hard to get those things to happen.

Speaker 1 So, I understand why people celebrate.

Speaker 3 Yeah, who's one guy in the league right now that you would like to match up against? You look like you could still play, by the way.

Speaker 1 Oh, no,

Speaker 1 the one thing, listen, this old truck right here got a good paint job and a bad motor.

Speaker 1 But I would love to play against a lot of these dudes. I love to play against CeeDee Lamb.
I love to play against the ones that come off as arrogant.

Speaker 1 Them the ones I want, the quiet ones.

Speaker 1 You won't see me come at them at all. Like a Devontae Smith that verily says something just goes out there and burn you and go home and watch TV.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to really say nothing to him, but an A.J. Brown.
Yeah. But see, A.J.
Brown is from Starkville. That's where Mississippi stayed at.

Speaker 1 That's why him and Forbes got this thing going on because he went to Old Miss. I played against DK Metcalf, daddy, Terrence Metcalf.
He came out of my class with me.

Speaker 1 Me, him, Deuce McAllister, like our all-star team in Mississippi, we played the all-star team from Alabama, high schoolers. We had 11 pros on our team.
For me, Deuce McAllister, Ken Lucas, Metcalf.

Speaker 1 They had one pro on their team, Jamie Winborn, and they beat us. Damn.
By seven points.

Speaker 1 What happened? Our quarterback, Romero Miller, threw an interception. Larry Casher ran it back.
They beat us 7-0. Oh, so you did your job on defense.
Oh, we did our job on defense. Shut them out.

Speaker 1 But at the end of the day, they just showed you football.

Speaker 1 It doesn't matter sometimes.

Speaker 1 The best coach team will win most of the time.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I would put, I mean, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, those three states right there in particular. What is it about those three states that produce so many high-level football players?

Speaker 1 We're running from something. We're running.
We know we can get out of whatever situation we is by that ball. That ball can show you the world.

Speaker 1 I remember one of my young coaches, I mean youth coaches telling me this you want to see the world this ball will show you the world you do right by this ball it'll show you the world then you you built in a different way like when we start playing football we start playing at four or five years old like and we trying to get out there with the older guy they ain't gonna quite let you unless you like oddly built or something like that DK probably DK was out there.

Speaker 1 He was probably out there. He was three years old, probably out there.
You know what I'm saying? He's huge. His daddy was huge.

Speaker 1 But, you know, once you earn your stripes there in Mississippi, I think you think you can play anywhere. because you're just not, you're not storing as a ninth grader in Mississippi.

Speaker 1 Like, it's unheard of for a guy to even have that chance to do that. Just too many greats.

Speaker 1 Think about it.

Speaker 1 This is the home of Jerry Rice, Walter Payton, Brett Favre. If I want to go yellow jacket for yellow jacket, Mississippi is up there, babe.
We got Hall of Famers from Jacket Slater, Walter Payton.

Speaker 1 I can keep going now. Like, we're there when it comes to football.
And I know Texas, Florida, California, get all the love. But California, you a whole coastline.
Texas, you could be your own country.

Speaker 1 Florida, come on. Like, y'all huge compared to us.
But if you put Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi together, we got just as many as they do.

Speaker 3 Yeah, if that was one state, and that was coming.

Speaker 1 Ala, Mississippi, Bama, yeah.

Speaker 1 It would be a great, like we would have, when it comes to sports, we would be right up there with everybody.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Louis Abama.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that'd be a good idea.

Speaker 1 But you got to have some oils in there, too. You got to have some Louisiana in there.
Occasion, yeah.

Speaker 1 So last time we had you on was like five or six years ago.

Speaker 1 Twitter got bought by Elon Musk for $44 billion.

Speaker 1 You invented Twitter. I did.
Nobody believes it, but I did.

Speaker 1 Smoothsmack.com was the invention of Twitter where people could just go online and talk shit to each other.

Speaker 1 When you saw $44 billion, you're like, fuck. You know what? That would have been nice.
Why am I chasing this brown football?

Speaker 1 I should have been chasing my intellect.

Speaker 1 That's why they say, never want to be on the team. Want to be the team owner.
It's a difference.

Speaker 1 But when you grow and want to be, but I say this, we did it, and it was me and a couple of my classmates.

Speaker 1 And I was like, man, I just need an avenue to get at these guys because they usually like try to talk trash to me after the game. That ain't good enough.
I need to talk trash before the game.

Speaker 1 You were just basically searching for more trash talking. Yeah, so we went to the internet.
We started to build it. We built it out.
And I was shocked because they were starting to respond to me.

Speaker 1 Like, I knew I was going to lash it out, but when they started to respond to me, that's when I think it caught on. Yeah.
And once it caught on, it was good.

Speaker 1 And then when I left to go to the league, you know, when you leave college behind, you leave everything behind. And I left it behind.
And I should have kept it. I should have nurtured that baby.

Speaker 1 I should have grew that baby. Instead of Elon Musk out, it would have been Fred Smootsie.

Speaker 1 It would have been different. All right.
And I would have come here and be like, oh, I like Bar Stew. Let me buy everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you would have $44 billion.

Speaker 3 What would you do with $44 billion? First purchase.

Speaker 1 Man, you know what? The thing we do, we get to see billionaire habits because every team is owned by a billionaire.

Speaker 1 And you get to see a couple of billionaires. And most billionaire, they usually go be villains and be in a

Speaker 1 yacht in the south of France. Ain't that where villains go to just live and enjoy themselves? It just, I think it's a millionaire.

Speaker 1 Now you can have what you want, but a billionaire, you can create what you want. It's a different thing.
Like a millionaire could go visit an island. A billionaire could buy the island.

Speaker 1 Like so it's a different dynamic to the airness of them both.

Speaker 3 I feel like you'd be a man of the people as a billionaire.

Speaker 1 No, I'm still going to be who I am. I'm never going to change that.
That's why I love the Harris group and the owners we got now at the Commanders. Magic Johnson, we have the most approachable.

Speaker 1 Mitchell Rails, the most approachable billionaires in the game right now.

Speaker 1 You wouldn't even know they billionaire. They don't even act like billionaires.
And I had to ask these guys, how did all y'all become billionaires?

Speaker 1 Because all of them from the same little spot in Maryland. Like, you would think these billionaires would be spread out, but even with Dan, Dan was from Maryland.

Speaker 1 I was like, what's going on in Maryland? What are they teaching in elementary that they're not teaching in Mississippi?

Speaker 1 That you too can't be a billionaire.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so staying on the Commanders, we talked real quick before we sat down and started taping. You didn't want to waste anything off the air.
So

Speaker 3 you were telling me why I should not be worried about the Commanders and should not be worried about Cliff Kingsbury later on in the season.

Speaker 1 You shouldn't. We at the emphasis.
We at the start of something great. Nobody would have thought we've been 7-4 right now.

Speaker 1 We got rookies that hadn't had a break since last year before their college year.

Speaker 1 For some reason, some idiots put out

Speaker 1 our bye weekend week, what, 14? Yeah, December bye. That's ridiculous.
These guys just got their first break.

Speaker 1 on a short week on a thursday night game i you talking about ailing bodies you talking about hurting you talking about testing your depth?

Speaker 1 You talking about texting your coaches, your players, everybody physically, mentally, emotionally?

Speaker 1 That's what's going on right now. That's why you see us get to the fourth quarter and it just die.

Speaker 1 Just ain't got that energy. Think about this.
They ready to crown. Pittsburgh still is the best team on earth.

Speaker 1 They just got out of Northwest Stadium. Like they just got out of Northwest Stadium.
We're one inch away from Zach Ertz leaning in different ways. How about this is what I want to say too.

Speaker 1 I'm tired of the old referees. I want youth.

Speaker 1 I want youth. I want my referees to be able to see 400 yards and run 800 yards.

Speaker 1 I'm tired of the old, dirty old men. I'm tired of it.
Get them out. Get them out.

Speaker 1 We got to get these plays right. But Philly got out of there.
By the hair on their chin and chin, chin. The whole state of Pennsylvania just got out of Spedeck by the hair of their chin and chin chin.

Speaker 1 We're right there. If you're going to tell me that Philadelphia and they Super Bowl wonder right now, Pittsburgh in their Super Bowl wonder, we're right there and we ain't supposed to be there.

Speaker 1 So relax. Okay, juiced me up.
I like it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm excited. I'm back in now.

Speaker 3 I was never out, but

Speaker 3 you start to think about it.

Speaker 1 Family's been getting emotional.

Speaker 3 Things have looked different for the last couple weeks.

Speaker 1 They're just telling me you got spoiled. You got spoiled when we had them numbers that you knew was going to go down.
You knew he wasn't going to be able to keep that up at third down.

Speaker 1 He was 80% on third.

Speaker 1 These numbers weren't did by Tom Brady. You knew they had to come back down at one point.

Speaker 1 Come on now. We have to be realistic here.
All right. Like I told him now, you can lie to a lot of people in this world, but lying to yourself, that make you ignorant.
The grasshopper horse thing.

Speaker 3 I've heard that. People say it all the time.
Grasshopper tell a lie to a horse if you could. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He also, Fred, had a had a great line because I was guaranteeing something and he said, the only guarantees is you're a past baby and a future ghost. Yeah.
That's it.

Speaker 1 That's it. That's it.
Now, in between, that's up to you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But you do, but we know for a fact we don't remember stuff from being no baby yeah we just know we used to be one yeah and we ain't gonna remember much about being a ghost we just know we don't be one good bad or ugly

Speaker 1 um a a difficult question but i i have to ask please the the the love boat we i know we talked about it six years ago but i saw you did a quote where you're like i wish people would stop bringing it up because it wasn't even that cool

Speaker 1 there's no way that it wasn't that cool first of all let me ask you

Speaker 1 and let me ask you something have you you've been to a bachelor party party before? Yeah. You've been to a bachelor party before.
Was it the end-all, be-all? No, but there were fun times.

Speaker 1 It was fun times.

Speaker 1 And guess what? We had the same ingredients y'all had at y'all bachelor party. Okay.

Speaker 1 The only way my best, it could have been better than y'all's if I, if an alien would have flew down and came down, a female alien.

Speaker 1 I didn't have no female alien in mine.

Speaker 1 It was like people try to glow it up. I think it's because it was just a lot of millionaires doing this.
Yeah. It was also funny.
Yeah. I mean, I love both.
Yeah, that's funny. That's funny.

Speaker 1 But guess what? The Vikings have been doing this since the early 1700s.

Speaker 1 They've been going to villages doing this for a long time. We just got into character too.

Speaker 1 And it wasn't nothing but a, you know, every team has its rookie party. And that's basically how they haze us as rookies.
Like, mine, I had to take my guys to Capitol Grill, the whole defense.

Speaker 1 They ran the tab up for $20,000. It hurt me.

Speaker 1 With this one, they took up money. We threw a party.
That was it. It only got blew up because we got caught.
Yeah, because someone pissed, right? Someone pissed in the water. Somebody lying.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that's it.

Speaker 1 And I like, because no rules were broken. It was a legit bachelor party.
What do you mean by rules?

Speaker 3 What do you mean by no rules were broken?

Speaker 1 Well, you know. I think a couple rules were left.
No, no, they tried to say some rules were broken, but at the end of that, we all just, we got charged with disturbing the peace.

Speaker 1 We paid a $50 fine when it was over with each.

Speaker 3 And I'll tell you what, getting charged with disturbing the peace, that's a pretty badass charge. Yeah.
I would love to get charged with it.

Speaker 1 Well, disturbing the peace on the lake. Yeah.
The lake of Minnetonka.

Speaker 1 Ain't but two people been watching the waters. That's me and Prince.

Speaker 1 We the only two right there been washing the waters of Lake Minnetonka. But I always said it was

Speaker 1 overhyped

Speaker 1 because guys like to come. They say, oh yeah, they're afraid.
They'll come nudge you.

Speaker 1 How would that party?

Speaker 1 And I'd be like, what you doing, old dirty old man?

Speaker 1 What are you trying to do?

Speaker 1 But everybody thinks it was the, the i've been to better parties i'm sorry not i've been to better parties and i'm sure y'all have too okay like it was just it was rookies money getting pushed to the limit they gonna enjoy themselves the veterans ain't really sized they they chilling because they saw when they were rookies yeah but they more secretive anyway they ain't doing nothing but the rookies they are They are out of control.

Speaker 1 They don't care. If I had to give you this money, I'm about to enjoy myself.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 Listen, if somebody gave me millions of dollars when I turned turned 20 years old, I would have done some stupider shit than that.

Speaker 1 That's what I always like to ask people. Let me take you there, P.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 25. Yeah.
I give you 10 million. In jail.
Prison. Prison.

Speaker 1 What do you think the one thing that's going to kind of lead you astray? It's going to be your friends. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is it going to be you trying to do too much for all this, go too much, or be in the streets too much?

Speaker 1 What do you think would have been that one vice that had been like...

Speaker 3 I think I would have found new vices?

Speaker 1 Oh, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 I think you give me $10 million when I'm 25, and I'm like, I will try anything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, why do people look at athletes and be like, that's a damn shame I wouldn't have did that? Yeah, no, it's when they're 40 years old, right?

Speaker 1 I think it's a weird thing where you see a pro athlete 23 years old and in your head, you're like, that guy's older than me. Even if you, you know what I mean? Just because they mature them.

Speaker 1 And they're mature and they have the money that you can only dream of. So you put a, you put, PFT's right, like 23-year-old me, you gave me $10 million,

Speaker 1 I'd be dead.

Speaker 1 No, that's most people.

Speaker 1 No, that's most people because now it ain't like, imagine this. I always tell people this.
Imagine waking up on just a Saturday and you can go anywhere in the world you want to in you in your 20s.

Speaker 1 That means if I can make it up in my head,

Speaker 1 I can go there. I can wake up like, I'm going to Alaska.
Yeah. I'm going to see y'all.
I'm out. Like, nothing's stopping you but you.
Yeah. All right.
So whatever you can dream of, you can do it.

Speaker 1 So imagine just having one simple thing, having a

Speaker 1 girlfriend that just liked to be spoiled. She can get up in the morning.
I want to go to Paris. All right, let's go to Paris.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now you're in Paris for four days. You didn't plan to be there.
Now I'm in Monaco for five days. I ain't planning to do this.
Like it just happens.

Speaker 3 I also think it's like when you grow up, that's when you learn to love sports. That's when you watch a lot of sports on TV.
You got your favorite team.

Speaker 3 You watch these guys, and you're so ingrained with the idea of watching that when you were a kid.

Speaker 3 That's how you learn to love the sport that even after you age out of that and age past the playing years, you still have that somewhere deep inside where you think professional athletes, grown men, even like compared to me.

Speaker 3 So when I watch Seinfeld now, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm older than the guys on Seinfeld, which fucks up my brain. Because I grew up being like George Costanza's.
He's like, you know, a middle-aged man. I'll never be that.

Speaker 3 Now I'm like six years older than George Costanza was during Seinfeld, but I still think of them as being adults. Same thing with professional athletes, I think, sometimes.

Speaker 3 Also, it's just, I think some people like to just complain about people that make more money than them. So they'll see an athlete be like, look at these entitled spoiled brass.

Speaker 1 Like, we didn't work for that our whole life. And like, it wasn't that big old if over there.
Because we all won big if from not making it to the league. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If we ain't hurt our knee, if we didn't ball out that game, if I didn't choose this school, I could have did something

Speaker 1 just easy as just choosing the wrong school and i don't make it to the league yeah coach don't play me coach don't like me oh just that one simple thing but for some reason when athletes get to the league people think we run the damn lottery you know it takes no energy to win the lottery right but i've been putting i've been lifting running my whole life no knowing it wasn't guaranteed that i was gonna make it to the league right yeah well maybe not lifting

Speaker 1 you're right about that yeah what happened with the one bench press of the combine list i told them this look you You see how long my home dog? Yeah, there you go. You see it.

Speaker 1 I have to reach up somebody 6'4.

Speaker 1 If you want me to bench press, it's gonna be harder for me to do it. So I said, you know what? I'm gonna do what the guys don't do because most corners and receivers do not do the bench.

Speaker 1 They don't even get on there. I said, I'm gonna give them what they want, but I'm gonna only do it one time.
Like, I got on that did it one time. I racked it.

Speaker 1 I said, you ain't come for no bodybuilders. Y'all came for an athlete.
Come on, watch me run. So we went outside, and all the scouts watched me run and do my drills.
I'm like,

Speaker 1 you could have done more. Maybe one more.

Speaker 1 One more. That's a good way to spin it, though, to be like, I'm only going to do one.

Speaker 1 But that's it. I'm not going to tell you that all I can do is two, but I'm only going to do one.
And guess what?

Speaker 1 One of these scouts, one of the coaches, DB coaches, walked up to me and tapped me on the shoulder after where he said,

Speaker 1 You know what? I'm shocked you even got under there. DBs don't even get under there.
YRC don't get under there. They tell me a lot.
They tell me you don't care about humility.

Speaker 1 That just ain't a part of who you are. I'm like, I don't care nothing about that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 like it is what it is they can't beat me playing football right i don't care about them out benching me y'all don't say he benched 500 pounds out i get a pick yeah y'all just say he out here playing football he good at it yeah i feel like that doesn't translate at all especially the cornerback i mean you want to know that somebody's strong right you know you want to know that somebody's willing to tackle but i don't want you to be so strong that you stiff yeah like and when you see athletes or guys walking around gold's gym and they walk around there like this they can't play sports they're not flexible enough they are one big muscle rat.

Speaker 1 And we even say when the guys walk in, that we draft a guy, and I'd be like, oh, he's too muscular. Like, he, he ain't gonna be, his flexibility won't allow him to have a longevity in football.

Speaker 1 He's gonna tear muscles

Speaker 1 every year. Not me.
I could be at the bottom of a pile looking like Gumby, just rubbery, and I'm gonna jump right back up.

Speaker 1 Everybody talk all that about how much I bitch. How many games did I miss? Yeah, yeah, not a lot.

Speaker 3 You were a tough motherfucker.

Speaker 1 Because either you got it or you don't. Weights won't save you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 When you ended up retiring, how, because you seem like a guy who loved being in the locker room. Yeah.
Locker room was my thing. Yeah, right.
So how long did it take you to mentally get out of there?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, yeah, you retire. I know

Speaker 1 it's a struggle for some guys. It hurt.
It hurt you mentally

Speaker 1 because

Speaker 1 now you feel like you by yourself for the first time because them 52 other brothers from 52 other mothers They ain't it they ain't with you every day. And think about it.

Speaker 1 When you sit in a locker room, all 53 of us got the same problems.

Speaker 1 Whatever those problems may be,

Speaker 1 family, not really loving on you no more, just want you for money. Could be we, we, hey, did all us choose the wrong woman? You know,

Speaker 1 like, so we got these same problems that now we're just talking to each other, leaning on each other about. And now that's gone.
And it ain't really gone because you can still call your brother up.

Speaker 1 It's just that it don't come full serve to you on the platter no more. It's not there every day.

Speaker 1 Now you got to reach out for it. Now you got to reach out to your man.
How you doing? How you doing, brother? I'm doing good. So I think it's more of the mental separation.
Think about this.

Speaker 1 Being in love with something or somebody for 30 plus years and she just divorces you cold. That's what football does.
It just quits you.

Speaker 1 You quit it. It don't matter.
It's being quit.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I don't think it's everybody loves money. Don't get that.
But it's some stuff football can give you that money can't buy you. That crowd walking out there 100,000 people.
Imagine this. Imagine how

Speaker 1 mentally stimulating it is to have 100,000 people saying your name simultaneously at one time.

Speaker 1 And the ground just started shaking. You can't buy that with money.

Speaker 1 The energy that's coming through your body, that becomes addictive. I want it over.
I want y'all to say it over and over and over again.

Speaker 1 You can't get that competition of one-upping another man. That everybody say this is the greatest athlete in the world.
I just one-upped him, so no, he not.

Speaker 1 He ain't the biggest gladiator. I am.
That's why I say the only thing that could literally beat football is that gladiator sport to me, is boxing. Because

Speaker 1 ain't nothing badass like walking around saying, I'm the heavyweight champion of the world. That's true.
That's true. I can kick everybody's ass

Speaker 1 on the planet.

Speaker 1 That's the only job I think that could one-up the quarterback position at football.

Speaker 3 Everybody calling you champ all the time. That has to be awesome.

Speaker 1 Not just champ. Imagine how your girl feels when she walks in and be like, My husband could kick

Speaker 1 all of you turns. Like, not all of you.
Yeah. All eight million of you.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 my husband can beat all eight billion of you. If it's somebody not from Mars, my husband will beat you.
That's badass. That's true.

Speaker 3 One of my favorite quotes of all time was,

Speaker 3 did you say two-thirds of the water is covered?

Speaker 1 Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, and I cover the rest. I said that in college.
Yeah. Was that true? Most definitely.
I felt that way.

Speaker 3 Is there a guy that you couldn't guard?

Speaker 1 It is no guy that I couldn't guard. It's some guys that give you more problems.
I would tend because

Speaker 1 we had gotten into the tall corners when I started to come out. Well, for a tall corner, you're a kryptonite going to be a short receiver.
So if you're checking a guy like Santana Moss,

Speaker 1 he's going to give you hell. You see it now with the big cornerbacks when they go against the smaller receiver.
But put him against Calvin Johnson. He has no problem with Calvin Johnson.

Speaker 1 It's the guy that he can lose sight of. So when I said this, I was just feeling myself in my bag.
You know, you're in school, you got all this useless knowledge in you.

Speaker 1 Let me mix this with a little football and run with it. You know what I'm saying? But I wouldn't say it was no guy.

Speaker 1 I say Tyrone Calico, when I was in college, probably gave me the most problems in college. He ended up being a hell of a player, kind of cut short by injuries in Tennessee.

Speaker 1 But he was a hell of a player. So I played against some guys, but if I get to play against you more than once, I can solve the problem.

Speaker 3 Did you guard Calvin Johnson one-on-one?

Speaker 1 Yes, I did. What was that like? He's the biggest human being I ever seen in my life.

Speaker 1 But I have no problem with tall guys because I'm not going to lose sight of you. You can look, I have no problem with T.O., no problem with Randy.

Speaker 1 You ain't going to see me on their highlight because they ain't burning me.

Speaker 3 T.O. was so good.
There was one thing about him, though, whenever he would play against you guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 He was afraid of Sean Taylor. No.

Speaker 1 You damn right.

Speaker 1 Like, come on, because,

Speaker 1 hey, beast, let me introduce you to another beast. Like, because the one thing about Sean is...

Speaker 1 He's their size, but he's faster than them. And that's the craziest thing about it.

Speaker 1 I remember one day we were sitting in in the back of the huddle, and LeVar Arrington and Sean were talking in the huddle. And I was like, is it me? Are they the same damn size? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, they the same. Like, when we got him as a rookie, he was 240, 245.
Sometime played at 250. And he's still the fastest man on the damn field.
That's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Like, it's something when the 1%, the top 1%, because once you're in the league, you part of that top 1%, but then it's the 1% of the 1%.

Speaker 1 Sean was the 1% of the 1%, meaning he's sticking out amongst the 1%.

Speaker 1 You can still be like, he's different. Me and Coach Gill would talk about it, eh? He's different, Coach.
I'm like, yeah, because we can't control him. When I say can't control him, he had one speed.

Speaker 1 We'll be doing walkthroughs. You know, walkthroughs, touching people.
We're not

Speaker 1 Sean. Come right down here.

Speaker 1 And we're doing ones against ones. Clinton Porters get the ball, come right down here.

Speaker 1 Sean, mow him down. Coach would be like, come on now.

Speaker 1 Half speed. No tackling.
Yeah. Height,

Speaker 1 mow him down.

Speaker 1 And he'll be like, Coach, if they put the ball in their hands, I'm going to mow them down.

Speaker 1 He dad serious. Like,

Speaker 1 he just, when he comes to practice, he clicks in. And it's all, I remember one day, I don't know if he was a little late or what.

Speaker 1 This dude comes out there with blue jeans under his football pants.

Speaker 1 I said, something to happen today.

Speaker 1 I said, it ain't right. And he just started mowing through people.
I'm like, dude, Greg William, you know, Greg Williams loves this type stuff.

Speaker 1 Like, so even though Coach Gibbs telling him, lay off, Greg just got this grin on his face. Like, let him lose.

Speaker 1 And that's what type of play he was. Your teammates, it's not safe.

Speaker 1 We was on defense together playing against Dallas. We beat Dallas, but I got

Speaker 1 Jones.

Speaker 1 On the running back, Jones, I got him. I'm holding him.
And Sean just come and knocked the whole powder down. He hurts me.
He hurts Jones. I have to go to the hospital because he lacerated my kidney.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. Jones got a concussion.
And this just the people that was in the pile.

Speaker 1 Like, so that's friendly fire. That's all up above.
Like, I'm laying in the hospital. I can't fly back with the team because he lacerated my kidney.

Speaker 1 So that's what type player, like, the one thing that I just always wish I could have seen him play out the career. You know, because that last year.

Speaker 1 We were heading to Green Bay. This dude leading the interception, leading the league in interceptions, got like six, seven at this time.
He had it for 14 picks this year at the rate he's going.

Speaker 1 Then he had slimmed up. He had slimmed up.
He was like 220 pounds. So he ain't faster right now.

Speaker 1 I was like, man, because me, Air Reed, all of us talking about, I like, dude, this dude keeps going the way he's going. He's going to be the best safe to ever play together.

Speaker 1 And Eric was like, yeah, man, like, he is. So when you got a guy like Eric Reed agreeing with you on a situation like that, that tells you the depth of this player.

Speaker 1 Because he had Eric Reed's ball skills, exact to the T, but he hit like running a lot.

Speaker 1 That's the perfect safety. Like, if God's billing a safety, his name is Sean Taylor.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, well, Fred, this has been awesome.

Speaker 1 You're the best.

Speaker 1 We got to have you back on again, not wait six years the next time.

Speaker 17 Man, I'll tell you what. When you're hungry out there, you start acting like a rookie quarterback in his first game, making bad decisions, messing up the basics, being all out of sorts.

Speaker 17 That's where Snickers comes in, man. That thing is packed.

Speaker 17 Roasted peanuts nugget caramel milk chocolate it's like the mvp of candy bars and when you bite into it boom it sorts you out gets your head back in the game of life satisfying your hunger remember this snickers handles your hunger so you can handle everything else snickers satisfies man that's a winning play ama a few years ago yeah and someone asked what should i eat when i get home and you said pussy if possible my friend low in calories i was just funny i was gonna say

Speaker 1 no i did not say that yeah you did no i'm gonna tell you who said that

Speaker 1 i i had a guy that used to do my pr and i let him run my pr guy said pr guy said pussy he has the foulest mouth of all because i i i did reddit like once or twice but i did all mine visually like i got on there and did it and i just let him do it And he did that.

Speaker 1 You got to realize, my mouth is filthy, but my mouth is filthy in person. Yeah.
You will never see me like look at my Twitter. You see anything written down that's crazy?

Speaker 1 Like, I don't write things down that's crazy. Yeah, that was all him, and I let him have that one.

Speaker 3 Okay, so you instead of saying eating pussy, you would have said running through the ochre patch, right?

Speaker 1 Thank you. Yeah, you know, I say mine with a little bit more mystery to it.
Exactly. Now, people have to come and ask me what's running through the ochre patch.
It is what it sounds like. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, but other than that, I'm more clean, pure, because I done did the top of the line medias. So I know how to say what I need to say and how I need to say it.
Yeah. Now, grasshopper and a horse.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What is that again? What the hell is that again? No.
No, it was a grasshopper tell the truth to a horse. Okay.

Speaker 1 You let him, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Well, Fred, thank you so much, man.
We really appreciate it. Anytime, man.
Thank y'all for having me.

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Speaker 1 All right, let's do our weekend preview,

Speaker 1 talking some games. We'll rip through a few of these because we're obviously taping on Tuesday, so there hasn't hasn't been a ton of new news.

Speaker 1 But I wanted to start with the Seahawks at the Jets. Jets plus two and a half over, under 41.5 on DraftKings Sportsbook.
Memes,

Speaker 1 what most recent news have we heard about the Jets this past week?

Speaker 1 We have hired an outside company to find our GM.

Speaker 3 What outside company is that?

Speaker 1 That'd be the 33rd team.

Speaker 3 Okay, what do they do?

Speaker 1 They are consultants to the owner to find a proper GM to lead your team. Are they a media company?

Speaker 1 Kind of.

Speaker 3 So, like hiring Barcelon Sports? Pretty much, but the Commanders also just did that.

Speaker 3 Well, they had an extensive search and they hired the

Speaker 3 executives from the Golden Sports.

Speaker 1 It was led by these guys. Wait, Mike Tannenbaum, is that the guy who said that you should trade Miles Garrett to the Lions and the Lions should give up three first-round picks and Jameer Gibbs.

Speaker 1 He was doing media.

Speaker 3 Is that the same Mike Danbaum that hates Josh Allen and said he would never have drafted him?

Speaker 1 Same guy who has a winning record as a GM as the Jets. With the Jets.
Memes, how old are you again? 29. People keep making fun of me for that.
Why? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Why do they make fun of you for being 29? I don't know. I don't know.
That makes no sense. To me.
Memes doesn't like when people think that he's...

Speaker 7 It's a compliment. They're like, how is he that old?

Speaker 1 I thought he was 22, which pisses me off because I get the opposite. Yeah, well, that's um, that's weight-related, Max, just so you know, because I get the opposite.

Speaker 1 Uh, you think, yeah, people are like, oh, you're 50. Uh, so memes, you're 29, so how old were you in 2008-ish?

Speaker 1 2008. Let's do some math.
14, 15, 16.

Speaker 1 13. Okay, all right.
So, my question is, so there was a report that came out that Aaron Rodgers is so injured that that he doesn't want to do a scan on his injuries

Speaker 1 because he doesn't want to be taken off the field.

Speaker 1 This report coming from most likely Aaron Rodgers when the shit goes down and he's like, oh yeah, actually, you guys don't even understand how injured I am.

Speaker 1 Memes, has this ever happened to the Jets before?

Speaker 3 If a player played through injury?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that actually kind of hurt the team.

Speaker 7 Not that I could remember.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you're too young because it has happened before, and it was a former Packers quarterback named Brett Favre who tore his bicep and decided to keep playing through the injury and basically was so bad at the end of his Jets run that he should have taken himself out, but he didn't.

Speaker 1 It's insane that he started 8-3 that year, too.

Speaker 1 Yes, and then he tore his bicep, and he basically was like, I'm going to play through it because I'm Brett Favre, similar to Aaron Rodgers, who obviously didn't start 8-3, but is playing through an injury.

Speaker 1 They are just living the same life.

Speaker 3 Wait, do you think that

Speaker 3 you think Aaron Rodgers leaked this news? Probably. Even though the same news was leaked when Brett Favre was the quarterback?

Speaker 1 What do you mean, yeah?

Speaker 3 Like, that might be coming from Woody Johnson.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true, true.

Speaker 3 Like, he's the one common denominator in all this.

Speaker 3 I think he's, it would benefit Woody to get the story out there that Aaron Rodgers is being an insubordinate dick and he's injured and he's costing our team games.

Speaker 1 I think it helps Aaron Rodgers, though, a lot, too, to be like, he's such a warrior. He wants to stay in this game.

Speaker 3 That is true. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you guys don't even understand what he's dealing with.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so he refuses to get scans.

Speaker 1 It's Brett Favre. Brett Favre did that in 2008.
He basically, after the season, had to get surgery on his torn right bicep. And he's like, yeah, it kind of affected me.
Yeah. My torn right bicep.

Speaker 3 Memes, where are you seeing that the commanders hired the 33rd team?

Speaker 1 Spielman, the other guy that's not Town and Bomb, was part of the search for Adam Peters. Right, I agree with that.

Speaker 3 I just don't think that they hired the 33rd team.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? What do you mean?

Speaker 1 What do you mean?

Speaker 3 I mean that I don't think that they hired the 33rd team to try to fight. They might have had Spielman.
They might have had

Speaker 3 the guy from Golden State Warriors and some other guys. I just never heard of that, so I was wondering.

Speaker 1 Wash,

Speaker 1 what's going on here?

Speaker 3 This is a blog on the 33rd team.

Speaker 1 I'm confused on who the 33rd team is.

Speaker 1 I know who the 33rd team is, but I don't really know. The Jets hired the 33rd team, did they not? Correct.
Yes.

Speaker 3 They hired the organization. Now, I will say that being a coaching and executive search firm is the best job in the world.
Yes. It is the best.

Speaker 3 In fact, the 33rd team had a blog up, I think, like two weeks ago, saying, here's who they should look at hiring if they do fire Joe Douglas. Yes.
So

Speaker 3 they had blogged it, so they've got their own list that's ready to go that they had also hopefully shared with the rest of the league.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, it's, I mean, it's Ernie O'Coursey, it's Bill Pollion, all these guys who are basically, they just, they, they get a million dollars to be like, hey, here's the person you should hire.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a friend.

Speaker 3 You should hire Ben Johnson to be the coach. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think the Seahawks are, their defense is really good. And this is, this is basically Gino, just, Gino, stop throwing picks in the end zone.
Gino, you guys can be good.

Speaker 1 You guys can go to the playoffs. Just be good, Gino.
Gino revenge game.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Gino revenge game. That's huge.
The Seahawks are the team that is just impossible to figure out. Yeah.
Every time you think they're good, they're bad.

Speaker 3 Every time you think they're bad, they're good.

Speaker 1 It's the entire NFC West.

Speaker 1 One of those teams is going to go to the playoffs.

Speaker 3 You know that the Jets are bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 But the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 But Aaron Rodgers is hurt. Aaron Rodgers is hurt.

Speaker 1 But they had a buy. But we don't know how hurt.
They had a buy.

Speaker 3 He might have gotten healthy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He might have gotten healthy.

Speaker 3 I don't hate the Jets. I don't hate the Jets this weekend.
At least they're not favored anymore. That was a weird stretch where they were

Speaker 1 favored. Very weird.

Speaker 3 Memes, do you think that the Jets have a chance? I think they might.

Speaker 1 Nope. Okay.
Yeah, I don't know. I think Kenneth Walker is going to have a day.
Yeah, probably, probably. And a lot of guys are going to quit, and then some guys will be fine for a job for next year.

Speaker 1 But the season is over. Yeah.
Oh, wow. I think that was the first time he said that.
Over. Over.

Speaker 1 Fully over. All right.
Steelers at Bengals. Bengals minus three over under 47.
I like the Bengals here because

Speaker 1 Zach Robinson put

Speaker 1 Zach Taylor. Sorry.
Zach Taylor put ping pong tables back in the Bengals locker room. Yep.
That's it.

Speaker 3 Being a head coach is a never-ending cycle of taking the ping pong table out and putting the ping pong table back in.

Speaker 3 I saw an interesting quote about that, and it came from their kicker, Evan McPherson. Hasn't had a great season.
Nope.

Speaker 3 He said he felt the Bengals teams over the past three years have been really close, that ping pong has played a role in that because players spend time with the teammates they might not otherwise.

Speaker 3 It sounds like Evan McPherson, as a kicker, is like, it's the only way that people hang out with me is if we're playing ping pong.

Speaker 3 Can we just get like the punters and the kickers to feel like they're part of the football team? Yeah. He might not be wrong.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, he's not wrong. And he's, yeah, Zach Taylor on the ping-pong tables returning to the locker room creates a little energy, gets guys to interact, creates competitiveness.

Speaker 3 Competitiveness all the time. You compete from the time you step foot inside those doors.

Speaker 1 By the way, President Pug is doing a great job on the computer. He's just pulling shit up for us.
Something that Max would never do.

Speaker 3 You're crushing it.

Speaker 1 Well, Max is too busy with his ADD, just like throwing a football to himself.

Speaker 1 Got Pug, excuse me. Whoa, whoa, whoa, government name.

Speaker 1 What are you doing?

Speaker 3 Pug has nice, delicate little skinny fingers that are able to type much faster.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's doing Pug. Max, Pug's putting you to shame right now.

Speaker 7 I mean, sorry, I got fat fingers.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 3 no, we had to.

Speaker 1 We might have to have Pug sitting in here and

Speaker 1 he does the computer. Max on the couch.
Yep. That would be nice.
Also, Jermaine Pratt, guaranteed a win. I don't really know if you can be a Bengals defensive player and guarantee a win.

Speaker 3 No, you probably shouldn't do that. The Steelers didn't look awesome against the Browns, but I'm going to chalk all this up to just AFC North games.

Speaker 1 Or you could do, well, this is AFC North game, so

Speaker 1 you could do George Pickens. It was a snow.

Speaker 3 It was a snow. Pickens got in a fight after the game with a defensive back.
At first, I thought he was fighting a fan. Yeah.
Turns out it was a DB.

Speaker 3 The Bengals being favorites, does that make sense?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think the Steelers are on fraud watch for me. Okay.
Yeah, I do. I mean, their defense is very, very good.

Speaker 3 I think they're on fraud watch. Tomlin as an underdog, though.
We always say it.

Speaker 1 Oh, for sure. The Steelers absolutely could win this game, but this is a game that

Speaker 1 if the Bengals get life back in this, I'm putting the Steelers on fraud watch, especially with who the Steelers have the rest of their way.

Speaker 3 The ping pong table.

Speaker 1 They're going to play the Ravens again. I think they play the Chiefs.
I think they're going to play the Bengals again. Steelers have a very tough schedule down the stretch, and I don't know,

Speaker 1 like, who the Steelers have beaten

Speaker 1 lot of bad teams and the Ravens who they always beat they also lost the Cowboys you know what I mean like I just think if you look at the Steelers

Speaker 1 I'm I'm not saying they're frauds I'm just saying fraud watch to beat did they beat the chargers they beat the chargers when Justin Herbert couldn't walk yeah um he literally had a like severely sprained ankle and I remember watching that game he couldn't move at all uh he couldn't do like play action beat the Broncos I think they did beat the Broncos that was Bo Nick's second start in the NFL.

Speaker 3 Beat the commanders when the commanders were looking decent.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I mean, Raiders, Giants, Jets, lost to the Cowboys. Who could lose to the Cowboys?

Speaker 3 No one. Well, they attack, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they did attack.

Speaker 1 I just, again, I don't, I'm not putting the Steelers under frauds. This is their fraud watch game because the rest of their season is Bengals, Browns again.

Speaker 1 Then they have to play the Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs, Bengals. That's really tough.

Speaker 1 If they let the Bengals back in here, because I think the Bengals have a little bit of easier schedules, they let the Bengals back in this thing, the Bengals will most likely be playing for something in week 18.

Speaker 1 So it's like a double whammy against them. They're hurting themselves twice.
They got to win this game. And then I'm not, and then they're off the fraud watch.

Speaker 1 Okay. Next game, Cardinals and Vikings.
Vikings minus three and a half, over under 45.5.

Speaker 1 I think the Vikings are going to win this game.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Thanks for taking notes. I am.

Speaker 3 Again, the Cardinals kind of fall into the same line as the Seahawks with me, which is I'm not really sure how to peg them at all. Yeah.
I can't peg the Cardinals.

Speaker 3 I do think that the Vikings are a legitimately good football team. Yes, I do too.

Speaker 1 I think I have a read on the Cardinals-ish, and it's if you can run the ball, their offense looks explosive. When they can't, it looks broken.
I think I said this two months ago.

Speaker 1 Vikings can stop the run. So that's why I like the Vikings.

Speaker 3 Vikings can really stop the run. Right.

Speaker 1 And the Vikings are the first time they've been home in three weeks, four weeks.

Speaker 1 I think they played three straight.

Speaker 1 No, they played two straight

Speaker 1 three straight road games, and they've been playing tough games.

Speaker 3 I think it's going to, I just like the Vikings in this game. I will say, though, that if the Cardinals win this game, I will believe fully in the Cardinals.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 This is like Kyler would be locked in if he, if they somehow win this game on the road. That would be a huge win for them.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 But until they do, I just think that the Vikings are very, I believe in Sam Darnold still. I think he's having a great season.

Speaker 3 He's had a couple missteps, but I still think that what we see now is Sam Darnold. That's who Sam Darnold is now.
Agreed.

Speaker 3 I don't think that he's going to suck down the stretch or turn into a different player. I think he's a legitimately good quarterback right now.

Speaker 3 If the Cardinals can go in and win this game, then I will be like, yeah, Cardinals should win their division.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, agreed.

Speaker 1 Next game, the

Speaker 1 Tennessee Titans at the Washington Commanders.

Speaker 1 Commanders minus five and a half, over under 45.5.

Speaker 1 You have to win this game, PFT. We said it last week.

Speaker 3 Must win. But you have to win this game.
Must win and can't lose at the same time.

Speaker 1 You have to win this game.

Speaker 3 It's a double must.

Speaker 1 How are you and Hank, by the way? I noticed you guys didn't sleep in the same house the last two nights.

Speaker 3 No, we haven't been speaking.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Memes is legitimately.

Speaker 1 Memes is the child that, like, if mom and dad disagree. Over, like, they get in, like, a little spat because they're going, driving somewhere and they get lost.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Memes is like, oh my god, they're getting divorced.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, we're fighting over the radio. I want Kendrick on.
Hank is a huge Drake fanboy, so we're having those arguments in front of memes. And yeah,

Speaker 3 it's kind of awkward. Memes does think that everyone's breaking up all the time, though.

Speaker 1 PFT was in the gambling cave yesterday going to every single person saying, did you see Hank, the clips of Hank?

Speaker 3 Well, so what's interesting is they came to me yesterday.

Speaker 3 So who's there? Little update.

Speaker 3 People in the gambling cave that happened to be around at the time, they came to me because they listened to Monday's part of my take and they came up to me and they said, Hank is so full of shit.

Speaker 1 Who?

Speaker 3 They're not on trial here. I have sources, the walls.

Speaker 1 All right, well, I guess we'll do an unnamed source off.

Speaker 2 Okay, so the walls came up to me and they said because I heard what Meme said that you were just walking up, trying to find people to.

Speaker 3 No, that's not the case. No, no,

Speaker 3 they came to me and they said, Hank is so full of shit. I listened to Monday's part of my take,

Speaker 3 and you were absolutely picking up on Hank trying to secretly root against you during that game. And then they said, we can actually find the clips.

Speaker 3 And so Hank was showing people his future bet on the Commanders, not making the playoffs and laughing whenever the Commanders would do something bad, the Cowboys would do something good.

Speaker 3 You were showing it around and you were laughing and they sent me the clips.

Speaker 1 Is this true? Yeah,

Speaker 3 before you watch the video, Hank, is this true?

Speaker 2 I showed someone the bet slip, I think, that someone also

Speaker 2 might have went to JMU, which is interesting, interesting piece of evidence.

Speaker 2 The jury member that we're talking about here.

Speaker 2 But I wasn't laughing. I was not laughing when the commanders did something bad.
I laughed when they missed the extra point the same way I laughed when the Bears.

Speaker 2 That's just like a trauma laugh.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, trauma laugh.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 2 but like showing someone a bet slip, because again, I also showed them the commanders to win the Super Bowl bet slip. So it's like, I have the commanders who win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 If the commanders make the playoffs, I will be calmied the fuck out.

Speaker 3 All right, so do we have the video video here? The videos?

Speaker 1 Pug?

Speaker 1 Oh, too loud. Too loud.
Too loud. Too loud.
Too loud.

Speaker 3 Okay, that's the missed extra point. There's Hank laughing.

Speaker 1 Whoa,

Speaker 1 where's the laugh? Where's the laugh? Where's the laugh? Where's the laugh? Where's the laugh?

Speaker 1 Where is the laugh?

Speaker 1 Start over. Where is the laugh? Can you zoom in? Pug, can you just make it bigger? I am going.

Speaker 2 I have my hand for the podcast.

Speaker 2 I have my hand over my mouth. Okay.
And I was going, oh, my God. Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 We should start at the first one because I think the

Speaker 1 first one. I chinks Pug doing a great job.
He's all over the place now.

Speaker 3 I think it might be the other one, Pug, because that's the one where he's showing the bet slip. Yeah, the one that's first.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Okay, so here's Hank looking at his phone.

Speaker 3 And this is after the spin-move touchdown, showing Ebo

Speaker 3 commanders missed the playoff.

Speaker 1 It wasn't a laugh.

Speaker 3 He's just showing. Showing the bet slip and smiling.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's. I mean, that's not guilty of anything crazy.

Speaker 3 That's the clip?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's more. I thought the clip would be more damning.
There's more. Like, if he had like if he had pointed to you and then throat slashed.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 This is the second clip? Mm-hmm. I would have thought he's an A-plus receiver, but he doesn't have a quarterback.

Speaker 1 No!

Speaker 1 No!

Speaker 1 Yo, that kicker sucks! That was a bad hold. I don't want that hard hold on.

Speaker 2 Now, keep in mind.

Speaker 3 Hank running and laughing.

Speaker 1 This is no, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 Pause it, pause it, pug, pause the pug.

Speaker 2 The laugh there was because before that clip, that was when you turned around and told me to suck your dick and fuck you. So after that, after you said that, I was actively rooting against commanders.

Speaker 2 I was happy they lost after that. Everything before that was nothing.

Speaker 2 So that smile that I had after they missed extra point was literally after you turned around to me, DX sucked in my face and said, fuck you, Hank, suck my dick.

Speaker 3 I didn't DX. There was no DXing.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 The entire reason that people.

Speaker 2 No, let's play the third clip because I'm curious where the smiles and laughs are. The entire reason.

Speaker 1 If people came up, let's show it. Let's show the evidence.
Show the evidence.

Speaker 3 After listening to Monday's show and told me this was because they, listen,

Speaker 3 Hank can bet however he wants. I think it's a funny troll bet.

Speaker 3 But then Hank tried to convince me that he was not rooting against the commanders.

Speaker 1 There is the evidence of me rooting against the commanders. You just showed evidence that proved nothing you just said.

Speaker 3 Showing the bet slip and then laughing, and then

Speaker 3 we show that again.

Speaker 1 And then I don't think that was laughing.

Speaker 1 I don't see a laugh around the clip one pug.

Speaker 2 Clip one, pug.

Speaker 1 Please show me the laugh here.

Speaker 2 Because Ebo laughs.

Speaker 1 Beatrix scored a touchdown once we're talking about it.

Speaker 3 Need the late card.

Speaker 3 There's some smirking going on.

Speaker 1 So we've gone. So we've downgraded from laughing to smirk.
Can I say something real quick?

Speaker 1 Sidebar with UPFT.

Speaker 1 Okay, I've watched these clips.

Speaker 1 Listen, Hank's a piece of shit. He's a troll.
He's a piece of shit. He's a bad guy.
Correct.

Speaker 1 I think he might be too much in your head right now.

Speaker 3 It's a possibility.

Speaker 1 I think you're overthinking Hank's existence a little. Memes is nodding right now.

Speaker 3 Well, the thing,

Speaker 3 you don't get to do that.

Speaker 1 I think he might be winning because you spent

Speaker 1 48 hours collecting that.

Speaker 3 No, see, no, here's where I'll disagree with you. I have not done any collection.
These are people that are out there in the company that agree with me, that think that Hank.

Speaker 1 And again,

Speaker 1 where'd this person go to school?

Speaker 3 Well, it's multiple people, actually, Hank.

Speaker 1 Who else?

Speaker 2 All right, who else?

Speaker 3 There were three people yesterday that were telling me about this.

Speaker 1 It's just convenient to name their names. You're right.
Because, like,

Speaker 2 why are you protecting their identity?

Speaker 3 I'm going to send clips to you.

Speaker 1 Because I've had YouTuber people come up to me and say that I'm in your head and I'm destroying you.

Speaker 3 I've done zero sourcing. These are all people that have come to me and said, Hank's a piece of shit.
He was rooting against you all game.

Speaker 3 Hank can root however he wants. My whole thing is you.

Speaker 1 You just had no evidence.

Speaker 3 I accurately picked up on Hank. We have a whole stream.
And now Hank is saying that I did not accurately pick up on that. That's my whole thing.

Speaker 3 And if me caring about that is Hank being too far in my head, then guilty is charged. I am 100% guilty of Hank being in my head.

Speaker 2 Again, like, I really don't care. I know I'm in your head.

Speaker 2 I know this is a dub for me. You went on this whole soliloquy on Sunday about how you picked up on these things and you have evidence.
It was on stream.

Speaker 2 The evidence that you just presented proves nothing of what you just said.

Speaker 3 Well, I didn't have people go back through the entire stream and pull things out. They just sent

Speaker 1 what?

Speaker 3 No, I didn't. They just sent these clips to me.
I didn't ask them to go through the entire stream. Did you ask them?

Speaker 1 I didn't send you you the clips?

Speaker 3 When they said we can find the clips, I said, yes, send them to me.

Speaker 1 Max, do you have anything to say?

Speaker 1 Max is in his bathroom taking a shit.

Speaker 3 He's frozen. He doesn't see anything.

Speaker 1 Just good Wi-Fi there, Max. Yeah.
Oh, here he is. Oh, Max?

Speaker 1 No, he sucks. You suck, Max.

Speaker 1 He's got nothing.

Speaker 1 I think,

Speaker 1 yeah, I mean, again, I have your back in the fact that Hank does root against us and he is a troll and these are all facts, but

Speaker 1 he's going to kill you by you like he's

Speaker 1 you're all consumed by Hank.

Speaker 3 I am consumed by Hank a little bit. Right.
But I needed somebody. It's not healthy.
I needed somebody to take the sting off losing to the Cowboys. And Hank is a great scapegoat to have around.

Speaker 3 But I'm just saying, facts are facts. Hank was rooting against the Commanders, was pretending that he wasn't.

Speaker 2 The facts that you're, the evidence that you're using to prove those facts is just proves nothing.

Speaker 2 Like, Like, that's where it's like, I would actually, this was a court of law, like, I'd be even more innocent than I was on Sunday.

Speaker 3 I probably, I probably should have been.

Speaker 2 That evidence was horrible.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, the evidence.

Speaker 3 The evidence was shown to me.

Speaker 1 The evidence showed something, but not really the full.

Speaker 1 Like, he wasn't laughing. He just showed a bet because the game was going a certain way.

Speaker 3 I have circumstantial evidence. I did not go back through the footage.

Speaker 3 I'm going to have to. No, then Hank's in my head.

Speaker 3 I think I will concede the point to Hank that the evidence is not as compelling as I was told it would be.

Speaker 3 And we can move on from there. We're still not going to talk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, don't talk. Great.
Max, you're back.

Speaker 1 I'm back. I'm back.
Okay. Thoughts?

Speaker 7 I think

Speaker 7 I've been in PFT scenario. Right.
I have to. There's something about Hank that when you're going through it and you know that he's happy, that it makes you angry.
Hank does a good job of it.

Speaker 1 It's good for the show. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 7 I'm not completely faulting PFT because I've told Hank to suck my dick many a time.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 7 For really no reason.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, what you're saying, I agree with because I, I've been in this, I've been in PFT's shoes many, many times as well.

Speaker 1 That's why as an outsider in this spot, it's like, there's nothing you can do. You got to just give it up because he's going to drive you nuts.
He's driving me nuts.

Speaker 2 Another good way to show you're losing max uh pft is that big cat and max both would love to have evidence that goes against me and call me a piece of and say you're right the fact that they can't and they're tiptoeing around being like yeah but just means like they know i'm 100 right they just really don't want to admit it i mean i've been yeah i've been in your shoes many many times i mean the the the the wisconsin jmu game when he showed up in all purple and he's like i'm the i'm that was for

Speaker 1 that was our yeah see i've been that was for work and i wish that was literally we had it

Speaker 1 this is the point at some point i wish

Speaker 3 speak to me that night i wish i had a point where i someone had been like hey just give it up because he's he's he's going to just destroy you mentally that was pretty because of his existence uh so yeah a little peek behind the curtain here i'm not i'm not actually mad at hank at all for any of this yeah but he is driving me insane the fact that he won't admit correct that he was doing something that that's all i wanted to say that's all it boils down to it's like hank he's really good hank is very good at his job he's a very good troll he's doing a great job stirring things up.

Speaker 3 And even though his bets go against me, guess what? That's betting. You're going to bet against your friends at some point.
Tommy's future. You're allowed to do that.

Speaker 3 But then when it gets down to him denying something that is true, then I start to be like, I'm going insane. Hank is driving memes.
I need this Thanksgiving break to get away from Hank.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, he has a very good ability to just make you insane. Yeah.
And he's done it to all of us.

Speaker 1 You're doing a great job, Hank. Memes, you've had it too, where Hank's made you go insane.

Speaker 2 Again, this is where the existence thing comes in. It's like the Patriots playing the Jets memes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no. No.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 Listen, I'm sorry, guys.

Speaker 1 I mean, when Hank just literally says,

Speaker 1 we're thinking about hiring someone to help with your load, you're like, I want to kill you, Hank. You're trying to fire me.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, that's just life-related.

Speaker 1 When Hank's doing his job as a good boss, Hank's name in Memes' phone was Heneme for memes.

Speaker 2 I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 That's insane.

Speaker 2 That's good to know.

Speaker 1 That's good shit. It's Henrod now.
All right, so Henro, as it pertains to this game, I'm just going to take Washington.

Speaker 3 We have to win this game, and we got to win it decisively.

Speaker 3 Again, I'm officially concerned about the offense right now.

Speaker 3 Here's a thought experiment for Cliff Kingsbury. Close your eyes and imagine Terry McLaurin lining up on the other side of the football occasionally because he only has him line up on one side.

Speaker 3 Like 97% of the time, he's never in motion. He's an awesome player.
Let Terry move around a little bit.

Speaker 3 The Titans do scare me.

Speaker 3 Every team scares me now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Right now, if you were to look at the Commanders and say, are they a good football team? I think the answer is no. I don't think that they are at all.
So

Speaker 3 we still control our own destiny if we can just manage to beat teams like the Titans and the Saints. Yeah.
And the Falcons. You just got to win this.
And the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do Rapid Fire a couple of these games that are kind of gross.

Speaker 1 Colts at Patriots. Patriots plus three over under 42.5.

Speaker 2 Anything, Hank? I think the Colts, this is a game where Anthony Richardson is bad against complex defenses. The Patriots defense is bad.
I think this is where he'll have like four touchdowns.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I could just dominate.

Speaker 3 What are your thoughts on Gerard Mayo basically simming football games? Where he's like, I can't do anything once they're out there on the field.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's bad coaching.

Speaker 2 He's bad with the media.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we talked about that on Monday where it's just like, don't say that. Yeah.
Don't, don't, that quote makes no sense.

Speaker 3 What was the game? Was it, it's not Madden, was it football, like football coach, head football coach? Yeah, something like that. Where you just like do everything except actually play the game?

Speaker 3 Yeah, football manager is the one where you like do the transactions, get your team prepared during practice, and then the game happens and you just hit like sim and you don't get to control anything.

Speaker 3 That's what Gerard Mayo has been doing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he needs that bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this game, I don't know, it's gross. It's a gross game.

Speaker 2 I think it's a cult play. I think Anthony Richardson

Speaker 1 goes off. A couple other rapid fire because these are not the best.
Bucs and Panthers.

Speaker 1 I mean, the Panthers have been playing a lot better.

Speaker 1 Maybe they keep this one tight, too. Panthers are plus six.
Over-under is 46.5.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so Bryce Young has looked good. Yep.

Speaker 3 I saw people doing cut-ups of the all-22 of Bryce Young throws for good reasons, which I've never seen before.

Speaker 3 They looked like he was actually slinging the ball. Like he was dropping him in some tight windows.
He was decisive with his throws. I just like the Bucs too much.
Yeah. I feel like that was a very

Speaker 3 that there's no moral victories in the NFL.

Speaker 3 The Panthers had a big-time moral victory last week. Yes.
That was huge. They blew the Chiefs out morally.
Yes. But yeah, Baker's on a mission right now.
Baker. I like the Bucs.
Baker.

Speaker 1 Baker, Baker, Baker. Houston at Jacksonville.
Jacksonville minus five. Overdos 43.5.

Speaker 1 I just had Urban Meyer didn't know who Mike Vrabel was. That was a crazy story from the Manning cast.

Speaker 3 Was that a joke that he always said?

Speaker 1 I don't know if it was a joke, but but I believe it, too.

Speaker 3 If it's a joke, I'm going to start using that line. Yeah.
Just to like people I know very well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so who are you? Who are you on the couch? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But this is a, if Houston wants to get right going through the December stretch and make a push, this is the game they have to do it. Yeah.
Because I can't believe Doug Peterson.

Speaker 3 How has he not been fired?

Speaker 1 Did he wake up every morning during the bye week being like, okay, today's the day?

Speaker 3 Yeah, in a way, I actually was thinking,

Speaker 3 this is worse than being fired for Doug Peterson.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is a way to get back back at him. Where you have to,

Speaker 3 you go into the work, you go into your office every morning into work, you tap your key card, and you think to yourself, this is the day where my key card doesn't work anymore, and it works.

Speaker 3 And you're like, what the fuck? And you have to do that over and over and over again.

Speaker 3 At some point, having it not work has got to be so relieving to you because you've been thinking about getting fired for the last probably seven, eight weeks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's just been flinching all week.

Speaker 3 He's been flinching. He's been flinching at the door, and he's like, somehow this is still going on.
I would really like to just play golf.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Maybe, I mean, with Trevor Lawrence back, maybe the Jaguars do something.
Maybe.

Speaker 3 They could. I mean, I don't really believe in the Texans that much either.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Yeah, no, I don't either.
This is a gross game.

Speaker 1 The Texans need to win this game. This is a proven game for the Texans.
Take care of business. Chargers at Falcons actually is a pretty good game.

Speaker 1 Chargers off a loss. Falcons off a buy where I forgot the Falcons existed.

Speaker 1 We did do a great interview with Kirk Cousins coming up, but that is, they were one of those Jaguars and Falcons, kind of both. I just kind of forgot about their existence for a week.

Speaker 3 Loser leaves town?

Speaker 1 Loser leaves town.

Speaker 1 If the Falcons lose,

Speaker 3 they can still make it. And same with the Chargers.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Loser.
No, this is not. Loser is.

Speaker 3 Loser is slightly more for real.

Speaker 1 Loser got to the town limits and then turned around and went back.

Speaker 3 Loser called a realtor? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Loser looked around in another town. Yeah.
They're going to stay put.

Speaker 3 Loser checked on insurance rates in a new city.

Speaker 1 I do think the Chargers' offensive line against a weak Falcons pass rushes is a mismatch in this game. It feels like.

Speaker 1 And then Rams Saints was another one that I had listed that's like, this, I mean, the Saints have already left town, but Rams, you have to win this game if you're the Rams.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of back against the wall games this week.

Speaker 3 The Saints left town, but then they came back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're like a cat.

Speaker 3 You hated this cat. It's shit in the house all the time.
You drove it outside town limits, left it, like opened up the door to its crate, put it out in the forest, and then the cat came back.

Speaker 3 The cat showed up, and the Saints, they've looked like a different football team since the Rizzler has taken over.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Rizzy God is doing the thing. But yeah, don't you feel like this is the last stand for the Rams? Yes.
You have to win this game. Yes.
Go win this game.

Speaker 3 If the Rams don't win this game, then I think your pinky's 100% safe. Yes,

Speaker 1 I would say it's already safe. That's why I made it my pinky team.
All right, a couple games that are good games.

Speaker 1 The last two. Eagles at Ravens.
Ravens minus three over under 51. I'm going to say right now, this is my,

Speaker 1 if the Eagles win this game, they're for real game.

Speaker 3 Max?

Speaker 7 So, what does that mean if they lose?

Speaker 1 They're not for real.

Speaker 3 I mean, not for real. Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, we can hear you. They're not for real.

Speaker 1 They have to win this game. So losing

Speaker 7 on the road at Baltimore, like they just have to win every single game to be for real?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's why I did that because I've done that a couple weeks, and you're like, what the fuck? Why is every single week they have to win this game to be for real? I was trolling you, Max.

Speaker 7 Nope, nope, nope. That's me being dumb.

Speaker 1 That's me being dumb. That's okay.
That's okay.

Speaker 1 Do you think you're going to win this game? The Ravens do stop the run very well. Are you worried? Jalen Hurts maybe has to win this game.
No, yeah, this is a tough game. Yeah.

Speaker 7 This is obviously a tough game. I'm not going to overreact one way or the other.

Speaker 1 Actually, no, I will so overreact if they win this game.

Speaker 7 If they win this game, they're favorites to win the Super Bowl. But I'm telling myself I will not overreact if they lose this game.
It's going to be a close one.

Speaker 7 Sirianni hasn't coached too well with decision-making in close games. I do think Siriani is coaching very well right now.
I'm worried about a close game.

Speaker 7 I think this game might come down to the kickers. There's two kickers that haven't been great this year that are historically good.

Speaker 7 I think the kickers are going to be a factor in this game. That's my take.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 I would say the winner of this game, I would put them firmly as the second most likely team to win the Super Bowl in each conference.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.
No,

Speaker 1 if the the Eagles win this game, I don't know why they wouldn't be just as likely as the Lions.

Speaker 3 The Lions are better at everything.

Speaker 7 They're that way right now.

Speaker 1 Wait a minute.

Speaker 9 You said if the Eagles win this game, they're second most likely.

Speaker 1 They are firmly second most. Yeah, they already are.
But yeah, I'm with you, Max, in the fact that

Speaker 1 I know the Lions have been killing teams, and I know the Lions look really good, but I think the Eagles, if those two teams play,

Speaker 1 it will matter a lot where they play. Because if the Eagles can somehow get the one seed, I think that changes the entire dynamic of the NFC playoffs.

Speaker 1 But I think that's as evenly matched a game as you can get. Yeah, I agree.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We're all on the same page.

Speaker 1 Except PFT. This will be fun on the same page.

Speaker 7 This will be a fun game to see where everyone's at, see where the Ravens are at, see where the Eagles are at.

Speaker 1 PFT's not on the same page with you in terms of where the Lions are versus the Eagles. He thinks the Lions are way, way, way, way, way better.

Speaker 3 I just think they're the best team in the NFL.

Speaker 7 Well, yeah, and then you just said that they were better at every facet, and then we looked at the stats, and you were just wrong.

Speaker 3 I was wrong about that. That's correct.

Speaker 2 More wrong evidence.

Speaker 1 So your opinion might not

Speaker 1 matter.

Speaker 3 No, I think my opinion matters.

Speaker 1 National Sports Podcast.

Speaker 3 I think that you're being a little disrespectful of the city of Detroit and everything that the Lions have accomplished this season. They're a historically good football team right now.

Speaker 3 It's a great story. I'm rooting for my underdogs up in Detroit, and I'm still showing respect to the Eagles.
No, it's not.

Speaker 7 I don't think you are. And

Speaker 7 I'm not saying that the Eagles are better than the Lions. I'm just saying that the Eagles and the Lions need to be in the same conversation.

Speaker 1 They are. I think the Lions are better than that.

Speaker 3 We're literally having that conversation right now.

Speaker 1 I think the Lions are better than the Eagles. I think

Speaker 1 it's that conversation. Yeah.
I think the Lions are better than the Eagles right now. I think the difference between the two teams is razor thin.

Speaker 7 I'm fine with that. Yeah.
I'm fine with that. But the other national podcasts around the world are not saying that.
They're saying it's the Lions and then everybody else. Yeah.

Speaker 9 And I just wanted to say that I don't think that's the case.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 3 No, I think that.

Speaker 1 Well, you got to win this game to prove it.

Speaker 3 Listen, especially if the Eagles get the one seed and Detroit has to go in the cold to Philadelphia, I would say that that's about as close to a toss-up game as you can get. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Is that good enough for you?

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's fine. I'll accept that.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.

Speaker 1 Hank

Speaker 3 gave you the fuck up. You're going to drive me crazy.

Speaker 3 You're going to drive me absolutely insane. Can you imagine looking across the Thanksgiving table at Hank? No.
Knowing he's betting against all your Thanksgiving

Speaker 1 games. Yeah, just smirking.
All right, last game, and then we'll do our picks and we'll get to Kirk Cousins. Niners at Bills.
Bills minus six and a half over under six

Speaker 1 over under, sorry, 46. I don't really.
We're taping this on Tuesday. This game, you can't handicap or talk about if you don't know if Brock Purdy's playing or not.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we don't know what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 It's a Bills route if he's not playing.

Speaker 3 If it's Brandon Allen again, yeah, take the Bills for everything. If it's Brock Purdy, probably still also take the bills.
Yeah. Because I think the 49ers are broken.

Speaker 1 Here's a stat

Speaker 1 that

Speaker 1 I read, but I didn't fact check. So if it's wrong, whatever.
I don't care.

Speaker 1 Doug McDermott, or sorry, Sean McDermott.

Speaker 1 Sean McDermott and Josh Allen

Speaker 1 are 19 and two in the regular season in December and January regular season games. So they finished the seasons very strong.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 Is there any chance?

Speaker 1 Also, it might not be true.

Speaker 3 Wait, are you pulling up something about Daniel Jones right now?

Speaker 3 Just trying to see if there's a chance he goes to the Niners. Yeah, because I was going to say that

Speaker 3 seems like a fit for him, right? It seems like Kyle Shanahan would like a quarterback as a backup like that. It's certainly a lot better than Brandon Allen, but he wants to play for a contender.

Speaker 3 I don't know if you can call the 49ers a contender right now.

Speaker 3 Even with Brock Purdy, would you say that the 49ers?

Speaker 1 No, I've been on the 49ers are broken for a month now.

Speaker 1 And yeah, I don't, I haven't seen, like, even in their wins, they've played with their food in some of their wins. They're just, yeah, I don't think they're, I think they're broken.

Speaker 1 I think they're just having a really bad season from hell where everything's gone wrong. And it's, I don't expect them to

Speaker 1 stay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Was that just, that was, Pug is like 0 for 4 since I complimented him.

Speaker 3 It went to his head.

Speaker 1 Just playing random noise while we're talking.

Speaker 1 All right, should we do our picks?

Speaker 1 Our picks. Let's do our TD party.
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Okay, conviction. T.
Higgins.

Speaker 3 Jonathan Taylor. Oh, I had a conviction one, but Big Cat made me feel less convicted about it.
Oh, no. Because I was going to say Jamar Chase.

Speaker 1 I will audible. No, no, I'll.
No, I'll. No, no, no.

Speaker 3 You had the conviction. You had the conviction.

Speaker 1 Jamar Chase is more likely to be conviction.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Conviction.

Speaker 3 Drake London.

Speaker 1 That's good conviction. Okay.
That's going to be some good odds. Let's win this one.
Let's win this one. All right.
Our picks. Our picks.

Speaker 1 So, we obviously just did our one pick for Thanksgiving, so we don't know what the records are as we're taping this one. But

Speaker 1 so, I go first. Am I going first?

Speaker 1 I will take first up.

Speaker 1 Give me the Seahawks, minus two and a half. Okay,

Speaker 2 I will take the Steelers, Bengals under 47,

Speaker 1 Ravens, Eagles over 51.

Speaker 1 Max.

Speaker 7 I will take the

Speaker 7 Rams minus three.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wait, who?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Max gets two. Oh, PFT gets two.

Speaker 3 I'm going to take the Saints plus three.

Speaker 3 And then I'm going to take the

Speaker 3 Seahawks Jets over. Has that been taken? No, I don't think so.
Seahawks Jets over 41.5.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Max.

Speaker 7 I am going to take the.

Speaker 7 Wait, did you take Seahawks Jets over?

Speaker 1 Yeah, or under?

Speaker 1 Over.

Speaker 7 Which one? Over.

Speaker 7 I will take that under.

Speaker 3 Okay, so Max and I are going head-to-head on two picks. Love that.

Speaker 1 Love that. Wait, what's it? Oh, that's big.

Speaker 7 I mean, this could be everything.

Speaker 3 This might be the weekend that costs one of us the Bachelor Party.

Speaker 1 Or,

Speaker 1 given the way we've all picked, you guys will go one and one.

Speaker 3 Yeah, possibility.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's been. We're really bad.
We go 500 or worse. Okay.
Memes. I'm going Primetime Jameis plus 5.5.
Love it.

Speaker 2 I'm going to go

Speaker 2 Will Levis and the Titans plus 5.5. Okay.

Speaker 1 Has anyone picked

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 Patriots Colts over?

Speaker 1 42.5.

Speaker 2 No, but I like it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
We should just play over games. Okay, should we finish up with Fantasy Fuck Boys before we get to Kirk Cousins?

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Speaker 1 Oi, oi, oi. Oi, hey.

Speaker 2 It's Johnny Salami. Didn't even know we were doing this week.
My stadim.

Speaker 2 Leftovers. Leftovers.

Speaker 3 Good stardom. Good stardom.

Speaker 2 You probably paused the podcast. You listen to this on Friday.
You got the leftovers in the fridge.

Speaker 1 Get up.

Speaker 2 Go put some in the microwave. Get yourself a nice meal.
Dove it. Good for the whole weekend.

Speaker 3 My sidem is Drake.

Speaker 1 Drake. Oh, Drake.

Speaker 2 I don't know what the fuck this guy's doing. It's a rap battle and he's going to fucking court, getting lawyers involved.
What a fucking loser. I remember packing rap back in my days.

Speaker 2 People ended up dead over rap battles, not in court.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Or locked in Diddy's basement.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts on Diddy?

Speaker 2 Bad guy. Okay.

Speaker 1 Killed Biggie. Bad guy.

Speaker 3 Killed Biggie.

Speaker 1 Killed a lot of people.

Speaker 2 My sleeper

Speaker 1 is Jonathan Taylor. There we go.
Okay, good, good sleep. He hasn't scored in two weeks.
Nice. He hasn't scored in two weeks.
He's due.

Speaker 2 PMT Palet pick. Nice.

Speaker 1 Justin Taylor. Nice.

Speaker 3 That's a great pick. That's a great pick.
I love it. Hey, what's up, fuckheads? This is Sean Stilato.
Nice. What's up, Sean? I definitely knew that we were doing fantasy fuck players this week.

Speaker 3 Same with me. And I'm not stalling before I get to my first one.
I'm just saying for the record, some of us come prepared to this podcast.

Speaker 3 Like me,

Speaker 3 Sean Stilato. I'm starting deep frying your turkey.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Deep fry that Friday.

Speaker 3 Toss that bitch.

Speaker 3 Toss that bitch in the oil. Make sure, hey, safety first.
Yeah. Make sure you fry it indoors.
Make sure you don't defrost the turkey at all. And make sure you drop it in all at once.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's the key to having a real great, safe, delicious, juicy, deep-fried turkey.

Speaker 3 My sit-em this week is going to be Drake because Drake's a bitch.

Speaker 3 And Drake doesn't know what he's doing. And guess what? Now he just made a very, very powerful, powerful enemy out of most of the listening public.

Speaker 3 And we're going to find find out about this Kendrick Lamar song and listen to it even more.

Speaker 1 What is it? The Brids.

Speaker 3 And he's going to be going on. Kendrick's going to be at the Super Bowl in Lil Wayne's house, trashing everybody.
Big year for Kendrick Lamar.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Love that guy. And then my sleeper this week is going to be Drake London.

Speaker 3 That guy's going to catch multiple touchdowns, possibly from Kirk Cousins. Yep.

Speaker 3 Good Italian guy, Kirk, and he's going to be throwing to Drake in the end zone. Yeah.
I'm sleeping Drake and I'm sitting Drake.

Speaker 1 Okay, so what's up, guys? It's Anthony Lasagna.

Speaker 1 I knew we were doing this, too.

Speaker 1 I just thought we were doing it, but I didn't prepare anything either.

Speaker 3 Well, no, I did prepare something. Oh, which is

Speaker 1 my stardom is rivalry week. Yeah.
Yeah, these two teams don't like each other. They're going to play in rivalries all weekend.
It's going to be sick.

Speaker 3 Throw out the record book when Texas and Texas AM get together.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my sitem is

Speaker 1 going to be shorts.

Speaker 1 Why? It's

Speaker 1 Thanksgiving's official start of no shorts.

Speaker 3 Oh, really? It's cold outside.

Speaker 1 Summer's over.

Speaker 3 Keep your beers outside.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and my sleeper is Drake Bulldogs, the college basketball team. They're 6-0.
Love that. They won the Charleston tournament.

Speaker 3 The good, the bad, the ugly for Drake's this year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's it. That's all of them.
Very cool. That was fantasy fuck, boys.
Before we get to Kirk Cousin, I had Breaking Moose.

Speaker 1 Breaking Moose.

Speaker 1 Breaking Moose.

Speaker 1 I just got a text message message from Big Dom. Oh.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are you listening, Max? Big Dom texted me. It was just a picture of the Rizzler.
And he said, how are you, bro? Tell Max I have some Eagles gear for him.

Speaker 1 Love this kid. He could be my son.
Oh.

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 1 Hey, love this kid. He could be my son.
Just so you know, is about the Rizzler, Max.

Speaker 1 Oh, is that about Max? No, that's about the Rizzler, but he has Eagles gear for you. That was the picture of the Rizzler, and then he said, love this kid, he could be my son.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yep, he's got Eagles gear for you.

Speaker 7 Yeah, Big Dom's the best. I'll always take the Eagles gear.
I get great compliments on all the Eagles gear that he sends me.

Speaker 1 He is the best. He is the best.
Okay,

Speaker 1 let's do our interview with Kirk Cut. What's up, guys? It's Big Cat here, making my Irish entrance with proper number 12 Irish whiskey.
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Speaker 12 How about this backdrop? I got it's sick.

Speaker 3 It is nice, yeah.

Speaker 12 I like this a fake. It's always a green screen, but that's a literal backdrop.
That's real. That's real.

Speaker 1 Holy shit. Is it real wall?

Speaker 12 Like, like, this is like a

Speaker 1 future.

Speaker 12 Touch.

Speaker 1 We should just start the interview right now. Is that Kirk Cousins a recurring guest friend of the program? Is that Ellie? Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 3 Or is that textured? Can you touch that? Because I want to know that.

Speaker 12 No, like, my, like, I can go, I can go back here.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, that's sick.

Speaker 12 Like, my hand can go behind the Falcon. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. So this first question is actually perfect.
First question going from, oh, clap.

Speaker 1 Can we run everything? All right. So we'll just jump right in.
Kirk Cousins with us, recurring guest.

Speaker 1 How was the switch from purple to black? Because, I mean, like, you had to get a whole new wardrobe, right?

Speaker 12 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 12 It was a big switch. The wardrobe,

Speaker 12 you know, I'd love to tell you that was the biggest challenge, but there there were a lot of other challenges with switching teams. But yes, certainly the wardrobe.

Speaker 12 I heard a lot of high school friends who said, Man, Kirk, I bought the Michigan State stuff. Then I bought the Washington stuff.
Then I bought the Minnesota stuff. Now I got to buy Falcon stuff.
So

Speaker 12 I think I've cost my family and family friends a lot of money over the years switching teams. But

Speaker 12 yeah, the wardrobe changed.

Speaker 12 We kind of took a lot of our purple and gold stuff and had to drop it off at my neighbor's house in Minnesota and say, hey, you guys can go through this because we'll keep a few things as mementos, mementos, but the rest we don't really have a use for anymore.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 3 How did you feel the first time you put on the all-black? Like, I always think of the Mike Vick era all-black Falcons uniform.

Speaker 12 I like the swagger the Falcons have always had. I mean, you mentioned Mike Vick.
You mentioned Deion Sanders is another one that comes to mind. I love our throwbacks we wear with the red helmets.

Speaker 12 I grew up in the Chicago suburbs. Barrington is where I would have gone to high school before we moved to Michigan.
And we were red and black.

Speaker 12 And so it kind of takes me back to my childhood growing up in Barrington outside Chicago. So I love it.
And,

Speaker 12 you know, you always look a little better when you're winning and playing well. So that's usually what you got to do.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And you're a Blackhawks fan.
So

Speaker 1 you can just cross over like that. It's perfect.
So wait, I want to go back to something because you said

Speaker 1 you would say that the switching colors is the hardest part about joining a new team, but it wasn't. What is the hardest part about joining a new team?

Speaker 1 Because I don't even, I don't think that's ever kind of crossed my mind players, especially someone who's been in the league for as long as you've been in the league and had success, to be like, all right, now I got to kind of not start over, but kind of start over, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 So I used to joke with my wife when I was in Minnesota.

Speaker 12 I would say, I don't know if I'm putting pressure on myself to play well because I want to play well or if it's because I never want to move again.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 12 Because moving from Washington to Minnesota, it was really difficult to start over. You know, nice to meet you.
I'm Kirk. You know, tell me how to call the plays.

Speaker 12 Tell me, you know, who my teammates are. What do they do well?

Speaker 12 You just, you start over from scratch. And you're in, I was in year seven, but I felt like a rookie.

Speaker 12 And it felt like it took a whole season to get to a place where you go, okay, I really have been here. I'm established.
I'm one of the guys. It took time, but now I'm here.
And

Speaker 12 I knew when you change teams, you have to take that on. So it wasn't a surprise, but.

Speaker 12 but it's it there's no easy way to do it you can't just snap your fingers and and make up for you know the last you know several years of not being there so um i worked as hard as I could this offseason to create that.

Speaker 12 I thought we did a good job,

Speaker 12 but that's just a big challenge. And then you have all the off-the-field stuff of finding a house and moving and living out of boxes for a while.

Speaker 12 But it's amazing because you see on the ticker, like, you know, like NBA or Major League Baseball, so-and-so, you know, is traded or so-and-so switches teams. It's just kind of like a simple thing.

Speaker 12 And the next night you see him in a different jersey, but we all kind of forget all that goes with that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, in baseball season, I always wonder how long it takes them to figure out the new individualized personal handshakes that you have with everybody on the team. That would be a tough.

Speaker 3 And you strike me as a guy that would want to say hi to everybody at the facility, like every employee, try to learn their names. Learn names.

Speaker 1 How do you learn names?

Speaker 3 Do you have a trick?

Speaker 12 I wish I had a trick like Michael Scott in the office, but

Speaker 12 pretty much just try to memorize. And when I got here, I asked for like basically like a yearbook printout of different staff so I could start to try to learn names.

Speaker 12 But even that, like the NFL staffs from when I was in Washington to now, it feels like they've doubled in size and so every staff the strength staff the training room the pr team it's just so many more people and that's a good thing but it's also a lot more people to to get to know yeah how how is the uh the achilles feeling and do you have any words of wisdom for your sunday night football uh yeah broadcasting partner mike to rico Yeah, and fellow Michigander.

Speaker 12 Just learned, just learned that he tore his Achilles crazy. But

Speaker 12 yeah, I don't know. Maybe Achilles were torn at the same rate 20 years ago, but it feels like something you hear a lot more about now than we did when I was growing up.
But

Speaker 12 it's coming along. It's been great.
I'm really grateful that

Speaker 12 I've been able to play this whole season and was able to go through all the training camp and really much of OTAs. And so the injury was a setback.
It was a lot of unknowns.

Speaker 12 But now looking back, I'm grateful that

Speaker 12 it was really more of a bump in the road than a true detour in this football journey. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's also, I mean, you tore your Achilles on an NFL football football field. I feel like

Speaker 1 most guys our age, we tear our Achilles doing like the dumbest things possible. I'm very nervous that it's like we play pickup hoops every Friday here.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm just waiting for it to happen.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's not a good feeling. I when I'm retired, I'm going to play pickup basketball and a lot of tennis.
And I kind of worry about my other one.

Speaker 12 I don't worry as much about my surgically repaired one because it's pretty locked down, but the other one I wonder about. So

Speaker 12 we'll see. But honestly, I love sports so much much and I love playing.
It's worth the risk.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, all right, so grade this take for us because you, you know, you're having a great season.
The Falcons are at the top of the NFC South right now. Go back, though, to week one.

Speaker 1 We thought, okay, Kirk, coming back from an Achilles injury, then having to face TJ Watt was probably not the funnest game possible.

Speaker 1 And that, like, we, I think we said the Monday show that we did, we're like, look, it looked like it was maybe a little too fast just to start, but he'll be fine.

Speaker 1 And you could see that as the weeks went on, it's like you got your feet back to you, you got your mind back to you.

Speaker 1 Is that fair to say that it was like, holy shit, being out and having a new Achilles that I have to trust in the pocket against TJ Watt is not exactly how I wanted to start the season.

Speaker 12 I think you were spot on, but probably less so about the Achilles and more just period, just being out since the previous year, week eight. Yeah.

Speaker 12 It did feel like, all right, I got to get some rust off.

Speaker 12 If I had a fully healthy Achilles that never tore and I had been out since week eighth year before, there was still an element of, or that was the element was, I got to, you know, this got to get familiar again.

Speaker 12 Wearing a red jersey in practice, not playing in a preseason game,

Speaker 12 it was a big jump to the real deal. And then we played, like you said, a really good defense that has kind of proven all year to be one of the better in the league.
So

Speaker 12 that was something that I was like, okay, this needs to get back here quickly. And even in Philly, the next week, another good defense.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, we did okay.

Speaker 12 We moved the football, but it was really the last drive of the game in the two minute. It started to feel like, okay, we're starting to, I'm starting to get more comfortable.
And

Speaker 12 the NFL season is so much of a roller coaster. You have weeks where you think you figured it out, and then you have a week that sets you back and you wonder if you can even gain a yard.

Speaker 12 And so it kind of goes the whole gamut.

Speaker 12 certainly do feel like you know i've worked my way back now and that's a good feeling to know that after all we went through last year tearing it and rehabbing to feel like okay i'm back now is that's that's encouraging and what you always wanted yeah so talking about the roller coaster

Speaker 1 how do you stay even keel during a NFL season? Because from where we sit,

Speaker 1 if like the Bears lose a game or pretty much any game I watch, I'm like, oh, that team stinks forever.

Speaker 1 And then I just write them off or like a team wins. You're like, that's the best team I've ever seen in my life.
We don't really emotionally stay even keel.

Speaker 1 So how the hell are you able to do it week in and week out?

Speaker 12 I wish I could tell you I do it well. I know what I need to do.
Now, whether or not I do it is a different story.

Speaker 12 It's hard not to ride the roller coaster. It's hard, you know, I internalize the losses and you take them hard.

Speaker 12 And sometimes, you know, like Bill Walsh, I heard, he used to take the losses really, really hard, but he did not celebrate the wins in the other direction. It was sort of like.

Speaker 12 A win got you back to zero and then a loss was like negative 10. You only kind of live and the negatives are at zero.
And I can relate to that. Like the win never really takes you to plus 10.

Speaker 12 You just always feel like, okay, we got the next game and we got to get the next one. And, but the loss is hurt.
And so it does beat you up.

Speaker 12 It is a roller coaster, but you, you do try to just, okay, one game at a time, stay the course. Each game counts as its own entity.
You kind of tell yourself the same messaging. And

Speaker 12 Mike Shanahan told me my rookie year, I think it was, Kyle Shanahan used the phrase a lot too. He would say, tough times don't last, tough people do.

Speaker 12 And so I would just always say that to myself, you just got to get back up, get on the horse one more time, choose to be a tough person, and believe that if you do that, you'll last and that the tough time will pass.

Speaker 12 And,

Speaker 12 you know, that's always kind of helped me through the tough losses.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Michael Silver was on our show a few weeks ago, and he shared a pretty interesting story about your time in D.C.

Speaker 3 He said that after you got in and you started playing pretty well as a backup for RG3, but when he would be hurt, you'd fill in, you'd do a great job.

Speaker 3 That in his exit interview, Mike Shanahan went to Dan Snyder and said, you should make Kirk the starting quarterback of the team and you should trade Robert because you're never going to get as high a price for Robert and Kirk's actually the guy that you want to build around moving forward.

Speaker 3 Did you get that sense at the time that he was like all in on you?

Speaker 12 Yeah, I don't know the details of those conversations.

Speaker 12 I know when I was drafted, their message was, we really believe in you. That's why we kind of picked you in an unconventional manner.
But our plan would be to trade you in a few years.

Speaker 12 If you can play well in preseason games, you would really help us because then you can become an asset and we can trade you for a draft pick that we can get or whatever. So,

Speaker 12 but then as we went, they always were very affirming, encouraging, believed in me.

Speaker 12 And that's really continued, you know, even long after they left Washington.

Speaker 12 I've always kind of viewed coach Mike Shanahan as a mentor, and I'll always reach out to him, you know, to get his input on things.

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 12 yeah, someday we'll have to all go back and kind of rehash those years in Washington. But

Speaker 12 it helps to always have people in your corner. And I do think that Mike and Kyle and Matt LaFleur and Sean McVay, Mike McDaniel,

Speaker 12 you know, even Raheem Morris, you know, he was, he was there too. Like they were all in my corner.
And that really helped me believe in myself.

Speaker 12 Because at the time, I think you even wonder, like, am I good enough to play in this league? And when you have them telling you you are, it really helps.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's crazy that you got drafted and they're like, hey, you're an asset and we're not going to play you.

Speaker 1 And then obviously you end up playing, but that's got to be a weird feeling because you want to play football. I think it's pro football.

Speaker 12 I think that's the way it is. I mean, I remember going to Michigan State and signing your scholarship and feeling like, okay, I'm the quarterback in this recruiting class.

Speaker 12 I'm going to be the guy to kind of lead this group of freshmen coming in next year. And two weeks later, Coach Santonio calls me and says, hey, change of plans.

Speaker 12 We're going to take a second quarterback. His name's Nick Foles.
He's going to sign here this weekend. And you're like, oh, okay.

Speaker 12 So you realize pretty quickly, like, we're all just assets and people are going to do what they need to do to kind of build up their team.

Speaker 12 And it may, it may not be in your best interest, but you've got to always just compete and do the best you can and uh in that case it worked out for me and nick both but uh yeah um it was kind of from day one of college football like okay it's a competition and and uh you got to earn your spot every day and it's kind of been that way now for i guess 18 years now you gave you those anger issues at michigan state where you had to go and beat up the entire hockey team yeah Yeah, oh my goodness.

Speaker 12 People don't know these backstories like you do. So you may have to go into detail later.
But yeah, I wake up one morning. We played Ohio State the night before.

Speaker 12 I wake wake up the next day i stayed with my my family in a hotel near but near campus because they they stayed in town um after the game and i come to find out that it's being reported that i led a fight on campus at the local hockey house and to this day i have no idea why my name got brought up as the ringleader but all my teammates thought it was hilarious because they actually know me yeah and they were going to sell t-shirts that said i party with kirk cousins on the back it would say late nights and hockey fights but uh

Speaker 12 yeah and and so like they reported on the news and everything but there was nothing nothing to it. And so it died.
But yeah, that's pretty good that you would even know that.

Speaker 12 That was like 20 years ago.

Speaker 3 The bad boy reputation of Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 1 Don't fuck with Kirk Cousins. Wait, so going back to going to Michigan State and then Nick Foles,

Speaker 1 if you were in today's college football and that happened, would you have transferred? Because I do think that there's a weird thing. That's a great question.
Yeah, great question.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because it's a weird thing that happens now where I think guys might give up a little too quickly and look for somewhere they can start right away.

Speaker 1 And they don't realize that staying with the program and seeing it out is very beneficial in a lot of ways.

Speaker 12 So the what ifs I've asked myself are, would I have transferred right away, potentially,

Speaker 12 missed out on a lot.

Speaker 12 What if I had had the chance to transfer after my first year starting or my second year starting and just said, you know, hey, I'm going to go to the best opportunity. It may be Michigan State.

Speaker 12 It may not. Like, I don't know.
I think, I think you kind of would have missed out on

Speaker 12 what it means to be a Michigan State Spartan and to and to kind of have that as your program the rest of your life.

Speaker 12 You know, it may have been more lucrative to switch teams, but

Speaker 12 just seems like it's just a totally different world. It's one I didn't live in, and so it's hard for me to put myself there.

Speaker 12 And asking yourself those questions makes you realize how different college football is now.

Speaker 1 I know, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 I mean, there's a chance that you go somewhere else and it's the perfect situation for you, and that's all well and good.

Speaker 3 But there's also the aspect of if you stay at a program for a while, you get that whole network of people that you have to be in touch with for the rest of your life.

Speaker 12 Well, we started this interview talking about how much I don't like to move. So

Speaker 1 maybe I wouldn't have wanted to leave.

Speaker 12 But no, I remember thinking, okay, once I signed my scholarship at that time, if I transfer, I have to sit out a year. Right.
And who knows in a year what could happen.

Speaker 12 So I remember feeling like pretty stuck, like, okay, I've got to make this work or plan on sitting out a year. And what ended up happening was Nick just, it really wasn't that.
I had beat him out.

Speaker 12 The competition really hadn't even gotten started yet, but he transferred to Arizona and that's what he had to do.

Speaker 12 He had to sit out a year and he was patient and then ended up playing there and ended up getting drafted ahead of me. So, um,

Speaker 12 you know, it all worked out for everybody, but uh, yeah, you're just it was a long, long journey.

Speaker 3 Yeah, what kind of car are you driving now, Kirk? I remember you used to have that sick-ass minivan, it was nice, it was a good minivan.

Speaker 12 So, I still have that conversion van. Not that, sorry, not that conversion van.

Speaker 12 That conversion van is totaled, but I had to double down and I went to the like conversion van Explorer vans in northwest Indiana.

Speaker 12 I went to their like factory and I like went through and I picked out all the specs I want. And so I've got like the full like moonroof.

Speaker 1 Oh, hell yes.

Speaker 12 Like the bucket seats that can swivel. Like perfect for like road tripping with your family to Big Ten college football games.

Speaker 12 So I still have that style of conversion vam, but it's not my daily driver like it used to be when I was in DC. So the daily drivers, Mercedes-Benz.

Speaker 12 I got a great partnership here with them in Atlanta, which is a sweet deal when you move here and you realize that playing quarterback for the Falcons, you get to drive a Mercedes. That was awesome.

Speaker 1 That's a pretty good deal. Yeah, that's pretty good.
They got the Sprinters.

Speaker 3 If you ever are looking to seriously upgrade, get one of those Sprinters with

Speaker 1 the four rows in it.

Speaker 3 Trick that thing out.

Speaker 12 I feel like that's almost above my brand. I'm more of a true conversion van guy.
The minute you go to like Sprinter van style, that's like another altitude.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, you're driving a sprinter van, you're just expecting like a drunk bachelor party to try to get in at any point. Like if you stop too long at a red light,

Speaker 1 I want a conversion van so bad. I'm jealous.
I know. I want to

Speaker 1 be so bad.

Speaker 1 I tell my wife that, I'm like,

Speaker 1 we're going to get a conversion van or an RV like later on in life and just drive around America. And she's like, well, not with me.
So I think that'll be the end of our marriage.

Speaker 12 My wife, my wife did not like the concept. And

Speaker 12 she's usually right about everything. But on this one, she'll admit, she's like, you know what? This conversion van is pretty sweet.
You sit high. It's comfortable.
The boys always have entertainment.

Speaker 12 There's plenty of room. We can pack a lot.

Speaker 12 We drove it when I signed with the Falcons, like the day i was it was out that i was going to sign with atlanta we were in the van and road tripping to atlanta from michigan so like we even did the conversion van road trip to to come be a falcon that's awesome i love that i love that so uh the we haven't talked to you since you were on quarterback on netflix what is has it changed at all i mean i i think we we all watched it and we're like Kirk Cousins just like a really awesome dude.

Speaker 1 Like that was kind of our takeaway. Like, you know, whatever you think about him and we we're watching him, it's like, yeah, he's, you know, he's getting his sweaters from, you know, Kohl's or Target.

Speaker 1 And like, he's just an awesome dude. So, has anything changed at like your, the perception that you feel, or even your wife getting recognized? Like, has anything changed from that?

Speaker 12 Yeah, you said it. My wife was kind of the star of the show besides Patrick Mahomes.
And

Speaker 12 she definitely gets recognized a lot more,

Speaker 12 which is fun. And

Speaker 12 I think people getting to know me is what's really fun about it because you don't get a chance

Speaker 12 for your fans to get to know you just playing for the team. They know you as a football player, but they don't know you as a person.

Speaker 12 And I felt like that show, in one way or another, just kind of helped people who have followed me or followed of the teams I've played on to get to know me a little better, which was a huge win.

Speaker 12 And then also.

Speaker 12 Just for posterity's sake, like my boys are pretty young.

Speaker 12 So in 10 years to be able to pull up that show and say, hey, boys, you want to kind of go down memory lane and kind see some of what dad did in the 2022 football season?

Speaker 12 I think that'll be valuable content to have. So

Speaker 12 that's kind of fun too and a win coming out of it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, your whole movie's on Netflix. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Exactly. That's pretty cool.
Exactly. That's well said.
Really, it's in the cloud.

Speaker 3 I like that.

Speaker 3 I read that you're a big musical guy. And have you had a chance to see Wicked yet?

Speaker 12 So you are on it. And I just appreciate the research you've done because you're hitting all the main points.

Speaker 12 Saw Wicked last Thursday.

Speaker 12 We were on our bye bye week, got to go, brought the boys. I had a hard time because I was singing along to all the songs in the movie theater.

Speaker 12 I don't think the people around me liked that, but I was waiting for my wife to like nudge me and she never really did. So I just kept singing.
But

Speaker 12 I was in like a high school swing choir at my high school and we sang the wicked songs. So like I learned them without having seen the musical.
Then I saw the musical in college.

Speaker 12 And so when the movie came out, I had to go. Yeah.

Speaker 12 It's awesome, but it's just part one. I didn't know that.
I thought it was the the whole story, but it's just part one. And then the conclusion comes out next year at this time.
So big musical guy.

Speaker 12 My mom put us in musicals growing up. We went to a bunch of musicals growing up.
Just love it.

Speaker 3 You should be in the second one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like as an extra cameo.

Speaker 12 So I was trying to get in Happy Gilmore 2, but they were taping in New Jersey during the season, so I couldn't get there.

Speaker 12 It's not a bad idea to try to get into musical.

Speaker 12 But my dream is, or not my dream, but like a retirement goal is to be like a background person in like a local musical in my hometown and have like, you know, the people come to the show and be like, is that Cousins in the back there doing the box stuff?

Speaker 1 I'll be like, yeah, that's me.

Speaker 12 So on my many list of things to do in retirement, it'll be have a small role in a local musical. I love that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's great. You should get one in Wicked 2, though.

Speaker 1 Like, I feel like there's a lot of people who are in the middle of the day.

Speaker 12 I feel like your guys' platform is a great springboard to make this happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we can get this done.

Speaker 3 You want to get like the average dude football fan to go see Wicked 2, put Kirk Cousins in the back of it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We all show up. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So how are you liking Atlanta? Things been going pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 What's what's the one thing that's different about the offense that you're running right now that was like the hardest to adjust to compared to Minnesota?

Speaker 12 That's a good question. I think Zach Robinson is our play caller, you know, is just a different person.
I've had nine play callers in 13 years, and so that change has always been difficult.

Speaker 12 But what I've been fortunate to have is nine good play callers. So aside from the change, I've kind of always been around a guy who knows what he's talking about, knows what he's doing.

Speaker 12 It's just more about us kind of getting on the same page and meshing our backgrounds. And so that's partly what's happened with me and Zach is just kind of meshing our backgrounds.
And

Speaker 12 that happens a little bit with the whole team, you know, like saying to Drake London and Darnell Mooney, hey, here's what I've done in the past. What have you guys done in the past?

Speaker 12 What are your favorite routes? Here's my favorite routes. Here's what I did with Justin Jefferson.
Do you think you can, you know, get comfortable doing that?

Speaker 12 And just trying to get on the same page there. And even with the O-line coach, you know, hey, do you like this run? Do you like that run?

Speaker 12 If I get this blitz on this run, do you want me to check to a different run or do you want me to leave it on?

Speaker 12 Like, and sometimes like the old line coach in Minnesota would say, hey, check that run, go to a different one. I then got here in OTAs.

Speaker 12 I started to check the run and the O-line coach is saying, why are you checking it? I like to run this run into that look.

Speaker 12 So you realize there's different philosophies and you've kind of got to rewire your brain to learn what these coaches want to do.

Speaker 12 But it all works, you know, as long as everybody's on the same page and we know what they want,

Speaker 12 there's no one way to do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Should we talk about walking your trap, take over your trap?

Speaker 12 Absolutely, we should.

Speaker 1 How do you think that's going right now?

Speaker 1 Because it was very funny at the press conference. I don't know if everyone was into it

Speaker 1 in the tunnel, but maybe I read it wrong.

Speaker 12 No, no, you actually are very perceptive. So I made the mistake.

Speaker 12 I didn't prep anybody. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I just sprung it on them.

Speaker 12 So like the front row, like I'll never forget Zach Harrison, one of our D-linemen was like all about it, looking me in the eye, totally like my hype man.

Speaker 12 And then I realized like the guy like five rows back can't even hear what I'm saying. So there was buy-in, but like there wasn't good communication on my part to get the whole team on board.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 But like the three guys that could hear me, we really had it going, you know?

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 12 no, it's got, remember when I was playing for the Vikings,

Speaker 12 we always used to bring this boombox out in the tunnel. I think a lot of teams do that, but they would play that rap sometimes, walk in your trap, take over your trap.

Speaker 12 If we went to an away game, and so at a press conference, they asked me about the importance of winning on the road. And that just came to mind.

Speaker 12 Like, yeah, I mean, you're supposed to walk into someone's trap and take over.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 12 one thing led to the next. Now, we've actually lost our last two away games.
So we've got some work to do on that front.

Speaker 12 It's still a rallying cry. I mean, it doesn't change, win or lose.
It's still something you got to do in this league.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you just got to let everyone know that that's what you're going to be doing in the tunnel so we can get it I got to like breathe them beforehand

Speaker 3 Yeah, but you can also use that for home games like they're trying to walk into our trap

Speaker 1 Yeah, we can't let them

Speaker 3 this is my trap. Yeah, defend our trap exactly.

Speaker 12 You're exactly right. And yeah, as a guy with a musical background, I probably just assumed everybody's just going to jump into my chant and buy right in.
But

Speaker 12 some guys didn't grow up doing musicals.

Speaker 1 Work to be done. Yeah.

Speaker 3 How awesome is it to just hand the ball to Bijan Robinson? Oh, I was going to ask that question.

Speaker 1 And just

Speaker 12 watch the mark, the mark of a great running back, among other traits, is can they make the first guy miss?

Speaker 12 And as I had a high school friend comment recently, they said, he makes the first guy miss every time.

Speaker 12 So it's, it's fun. I mean, and the thing is, I don't care if it's a pitch, if it's a handoff, if it's a pass.
Like, let's just get the ball in his hands. I used to say this about Dalvin Cook.

Speaker 12 Let's just get the ball in his hands and good things happen, especially if we can get the ball in space. So he's having a great year playing at a really high level.

Speaker 12 And it's just more about as defenses are keying on him,

Speaker 12 how can we be creative and how can we get the ball in his hand in space so he can go do his thing?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, he's so much fun to watch.
So fun.

Speaker 1 People get mad at me because

Speaker 1 every Monday when we do the recap,

Speaker 1 I'd say three minutes of the Falcons recap is just like, I love watching Bijan. Like everything he does.
It's just crazy.

Speaker 1 He's got great hands.

Speaker 12 He could legitimately play wide receiver here in the NFL because he can run routes. He has late hands.
He tracks the ball well.

Speaker 12 But we found the best way to use him, I think, is similar to how the Saints have used Kamara, which is he's going to show up in the past game, but we don't need to make him a wide receiver.

Speaker 12 He's going to have receiving production just as a running back. And

Speaker 12 so, you know, I just think he's a big asset. And,

Speaker 12 you know, and I kind of wonder what his ceiling is, you know, if we can continue to get him more and more productive to where he can really do some special things.

Speaker 3 He's got got that great dead leg where he puts the leg in the ground and then takes it away and the guy just sprints past me.

Speaker 3 How did that even happen? It does not compute.

Speaker 1 Oh, you got another question. I was just going to say,

Speaker 3 it's Kirk Cousins' revenge season coming up right now. You've got two revenge games.
I think both away games, right? So you're going at Minnesota. You're going at Washington.

Speaker 3 Which is the biggest revenge game for you?

Speaker 12 Well, I would say that while I'd love to win them,

Speaker 12 you know, and I said this when I went to Washington in 22, like

Speaker 12 there's just so much gratitude for what they did for me like first of all they drafted me washington second of all they franchise tagged me twice like they they changed my whole life and then minnesota you know much the same way even more so the way they brought me in free agency um you know gave me a great contract gave me great opportunity gave me great coaches great players around me for six years

Speaker 12 And even on when I left, like the way that Quasi handled it, Kevin handled it, ownership, Rob Brzezinski, like they just handled it so well.

Speaker 12 My agent would get off every call with them and just say, Kirk, the Vikings are just handling it really well. They're being honest.
They're being candid.

Speaker 12 They're being open. Like, it's just been a great process.
And so,

Speaker 12 you know, it's, it,

Speaker 12 yes, I want to win, but there's just so many people in that building that I care about. And so revenge probably wouldn't be the word as much as just like,

Speaker 12 you know, wanting to go walk in their trap, I guess, and play play well and do your thing. But, but, uh, but man, I, it's hard for me not to root for everybody there, too, you know?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's the perfect Kirk Cousins answer. It's like, it's, it's not, it's not a revenge game.
You're too nice of a guy. You're like when

Speaker 3 somebody sees like a dog that they haven't seen in years, and the dog, like, freaks out and is super happy to see him. That's not, that's not revenge.
That's like you, you just being Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 3 But I would, if you had revenge and like hate in your heart for those games, I would actually bet against you because I'd be like, that's not, I want Kirk to be Kirk, not to like have this giant chip on his shoulder on a fuck everybody tour.

Speaker 3 Yeah. That would be concerning to me.
Yeah. There you go.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Yeah.
Sometimes, sometimes that Kirk still exists, though. Adam Thielen used to say, like,

Speaker 12 you know, we need that dark Kirk, he would say, like, we need that

Speaker 12 Kirk who's like, you know, that you like that Kirk. So

Speaker 12 that guy's still in there. I don't think you play as long as I've played unless that guy, you know.
gets out every now and then and has some walking around money.

Speaker 3 Yeah, when was the last time dark kirk came out?

Speaker 12 I think that's a great question. It's happened this year.
It's happened multiple times this year.

Speaker 1 Bucks game? I feel like that was.

Speaker 12 You probably have to ask my teammates a little bit. I've kind of gotten fiery

Speaker 12 in the locker room pre-game a little bit. So

Speaker 12 he's shown up and

Speaker 12 usually people respond well to it, you know?

Speaker 12 But you can't force it.

Speaker 1 You got to let it happen. Yeah.

Speaker 3 How can we tell as viewers at home when we might be witnessing Dark Kirk?

Speaker 12 If you see me uh if you see the veins in the neck if you see me pointing my finger yeah if you see me pointing my finger in someone's chest oh um

Speaker 1 if you see you know the scowl um if you see me pacing um dark kirk is starting to rise to the surface i love it i love it i'm gonna keep an eye out yeah sometimes the referee gets it a lot of times the referee's the target yeah so that's another thing to look for uh all right so kirk this has been so much fun we we love having you on i have one last question it's a robot question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com, promo code TAKE, 20% off your first purchase, Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com, promo code TAKE.

Speaker 1 I want to go back to one thing you said, playing hoops when you retire. So we have a full gym in our office in Chicago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. So open invite when you do retire.
What should we expect from your game if you come and I would assume you just probably dominate us?

Speaker 12 I'm the high school version of Sean Livingston. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So I am a, I, I'm a tall

Speaker 12 high school point guard who's not overly twitchy. Usually the high school point guard is the quickest guy in the court.

Speaker 12 I'm way taller than the guy I'm guarding, but I have a great, great floor vision. Like my ability to pass.
I see it. I see I'm pass ahead.
And then I'm great with the one-handed pass.

Speaker 12 I'm great like inbounds plays. I'm the guy passing it from the sideline or from the baseline.
And if I'm on the far baseline, go deep and I'm launching it all the way down the court.

Speaker 12 Don't really look for my own shot, but I'll probably give you six points a game. And

Speaker 12 I'm going to communicate well on defense.

Speaker 1 You sound like a dream. Yeah, you dream to play on pickup hoops.
This is like the, like, if you had to say the perfect teammate on pickups hooker, it's like

Speaker 1 a guy who passes well and like, and communicate, calls out the picks.

Speaker 12 Coach, coach, this is the conversation every day in the weight room. You know, oh, who was our starting five on the Falcons? Who's our starting five on the Vikings?

Speaker 12 For years, you hear this, and I'm like, guys,

Speaker 12 not everybody can go drop 30 points. So like, you want me on your starting five because I'm going to distribute.
I'm going to bring the ball up the floor. I'm going to communicate on D.

Speaker 12 I'm going to be your backside help. Like you need that guy.
So, you know, I kind of am like the Draymond for the Warriors. Like, I don't have to, you know, get this, get all the, the, the accolades.

Speaker 12 I'll just fill in what I can and still be pretty productive. But I said that to Drake London, who's a great basketball player.
I said, like, what's my NBA comp?

Speaker 12 And I kind of told him, you know, my game. and he goes, Sean Livingston.
So

Speaker 1 I'm rolling with that.

Speaker 12 And then before I sign off, guys, I'm a big John Gruden guy. Yes.

Speaker 12 I go see him every year in Tampa. We watch tape together.
He kind of challenges me, gasses me up, tells me what I'm doing well, tells me what I'm not doing well.

Speaker 12 All the stuff he's done, talking ball with you guys lately.

Speaker 12 I've just lived that for years with him. It's so good.
So I just think it's awesome that he's on board with you guys, and I think he'll provide great content.

Speaker 12 He's the best.

Speaker 12 he's he's the absolute best I don't know if you heard the story but we watched the Eagles commanders game with him live stream so we watched the whole game and then he gets on the plane the next day with Dave to go back to Florida and he was like how did this end up on the internet and Dave was like what do you mean and he's like how'd this end up on the internet he didn't realize that we were live streaming the entire game and he's so authentic like nothing like he was just him on the live stream he just had no idea the cameras were on the entire time he's so good it's a perfect fit uh he's gonna provide great content i learn so much from him all the time and there's really no off switch yeah he is one of one when i was a rookie i didn't really know him at all except for doing the grood and qb camp coming out and kyle shanahan was his quality control guy you know way back in the day and kyle said it's like watching a movie like there's no off there's like but he's not acting like there is no off switch and um it's amazing so i always go down there every offseason because i just feel like man two days with him i'm gonna come back excited about football excited to put in the work, excited to lead, challenged as to how I got to get better, but also, you know, pumped up.

Speaker 12 And if he, if he does that at all, half of what he's done for me for the barstool staff, he's going to be a huge ass.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's been awesome.

Speaker 3 He's the best. When you get like a tunnel screen called for you to throw during a game, are you like, man, Coach Gruden would hate this?

Speaker 1 He hates

Speaker 1 screens.

Speaker 12 Oh, there's all kinds of times where I'm like.

Speaker 12 Like little things that I know I have to do at a high, high level because Coach Gruden's watching. And if I don't do it right, he's going to pull up this this tape in March and show me.

Speaker 12 Like one year, one year I led the league in completion percentage. I was like, I think it was like 69.7, let's say.
And the first thing we do, I sit down with him in Tampa after the season.

Speaker 12 It might have been my first year starting. And

Speaker 12 he opens up like a black screen PowerPoint with white numbers and it just says 30.2.

Speaker 1 He goes, you know what that is?

Speaker 12 And I said, no, what is that? He said, that's the number, that's the percentage of incompletions you had.

Speaker 12 He goes, Kirk, he goes, there's like he says something like, there's never been a 75% completion percentage guy in the NFL. He goes, you're the guy to do it.

Speaker 12 Like, I'm going to show you all this, all the silly incompletions you had that you have no excuse for, that you could have completed 80% of your passes if you had just completed these easy ones.

Speaker 12 And we go through this whole clip just to make me feel bad of all the passes I missed to Jordan Reed and to Pierre Garcon and Deshaun Jackson.

Speaker 12 And so it was stuff like that where you're like, heck yeah, like I'm going to go back and try to complete 80% of my passes. I got to be better.
And there's no excuse for missing an open guy.

Speaker 12 And so he just challenged you. And he's a coach at heart.
And I just love seeing him get back in it and have an impact. Yeah, he's the best.

Speaker 1 He's the best. Well, thank you so much, Kirk.
This has been awesome, man. We love having you on.

Speaker 1 And if you're ever in town, we got to-I don't know if you're allowed to play pickup hoops while you're still playing the NFL. Maybe you could come and coach us.
That would work. I would love it.

Speaker 1 I would love it.

Speaker 12 Someday, Sean Livingston, the high school version of Sean Livingston, coming to a town near you. All right.

Speaker 3 Such a perfect comp. I love it.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Kirk.

Speaker 1 Okay, boys. Good long show for the people at home.
Thanksgiving Thanksgiving week. Let's send it off with some numbers.
Maybe we'll get it this time. Memes.
17. Three.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to help you, memes. I'm going to go 92.

Speaker 1 I'll give you 99. Oh.

Speaker 3 Go 94, Pug.

Speaker 1 Oh, max.

Speaker 7 11.

Speaker 7 11.

Speaker 1 27. Oh, I thought that was the number.
27.

Speaker 1 I knew it wasn't, but I thought it wasn't. Love you guys.