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Today is Wednesday, November 27th.

And John Harbaugh unfortunately owns Jim Harbaugh.

3-0.

Jim Harbaugh saying before the game, I laid down my life for my brother, but I would not let him win a football game. I enjoyed the Harbaugh Bowl.
The Ravens are very, very good. Chargers, Quentin Johnson decided to start dropping balls again at the worst possible time.
But that was the Ravens. The Ravens dominated that second half, and they are who we thought they are.
They were a Super Bowl contender. I think the Ravens dominated the second half and also the last two minutes of the first half.
Yes. Going forward on fourth down.
That was crazy. That was a great call.
And you know what? I'm going to say it. If it hadn't worked out, I would absolutely kill John Harbaugh.
Oh, duh. But it worked out, so he's a genius.
Yeah. But if it didn't work, fire him.
I feel like that call on, what were they on, their own 20? 19, 20? Yeah. I feel like that call was the Harbaugh Bowl getting the best of him where he's like, normally I wouldn't do this, but against my brother, I got to fucking do this.
You got to do it. I got to fucking do this.
This was their Super Bowl for for sure. Their mom and dad were watching.
It was their anniversary. They were watching with Tom Crean.
Yep. That should have been the Manning cast last night.
Absolutely. It should have been Jack and Joni and then Tom Crean.
I walked away from that game not really changing my opinions on either team. Ravens are really good.
The Chargers, they have to – I think the Chargers are good, and they have to play perfect to beat a Ravens-like team.

I do wonder – little thought I had when I was watching the game.

Is there a chance Hank bet the Chargers to miss the playoff?

Well, Hank cashed out of his Chargers Super Bowl bet,

which is pretty much the same thing.

Do you think he –

I didn't.

You did not?

I didn't.

Are you sure?

I'm positive.

100%.

Again, DraftKings Sportsbook, they have a great feature, the Barstool Betting Group. All my bets go in there.
So it's trackable. There's proof.
There's a documented history. Yeah.
No charters to make the playoffs has been placed. A fully documented history of your troll bets.
Not troll bets. Just smart, good plays.
If you want to win some money, follow me on the drive. How's the hungry dog doing this year? It's up to units, which is positive.
Yeah. Right? Like you want to be positive when you gamble? You want to be positive about things.
Yeah, plus two units is good. You want to have a positive mindset.
Derrick Henry continues to be a beast. It is the return of the running backs and the fact that Derrick Henry and saquon barkley are complete game changers in today's nfl and i i do think that some of the reason why they got derrick henry was just because he's so fucking big that they will they will not forget to put him in the game late on they'll like keep him going you know he's a giant looming presence on the sidelines so if john harbaugh uh is starting starting to think like let's get cute with it like we did in the playoffs last year derrick henry he's so big that you you're like oh shit yeah we have that guy let's keep running him and he just he wears you that he tenderizes you over the course of a game and it also just further proves what we already know but i would tackle him by his chain yeah why don't more people do that just reach in grab the chain a kib to leave he would yeah fucking ripped his throat out they the when he gets outside and it's just one-on-one it's it's they're saquon barkley and derrick henry are the same but they do it in a different way saquon barkley when he gets out in space one-on-one you know he's gonna make a guy miss there's just nothing the guy can do derrick henry when he gets out in space one-on-one the guy just can't tackle him especially if we're like the nfl has gotten a little, the edge rushers have gotten a little lighter.
Like the teams are playing, you know, too high safety in the, in defensive linebackers are a little bit there. It's not Ray Lewis anymore where it's like, you know, these guys in the upper 200 pounds, it's just Derek Henry can just bowl over people and it, we're stupid.
We have dumb opinions, but it just needs to be reminded that situation is so so important in all of sports but especially the NFL because if Derrick Henry was still on the Titans and Saquon Barkley was still on the Giants they'd be having okay years on bad teams and we wouldn't be talking about them but when you put them on good teams with a ton of talent around them that's hard to defend you get the best of both where it's like yeah running backs still do matter especially when you have an elite one and they're the cherry on on the top of a really good football team yeah maybe the giants were right to not pay say well barkley they weren't i i they were wrong to pay daniel johns but i do think i know what you're saying is that like a good running back on a good team is worth the investment. A good running back on a bad team, it'll just kind of make you a little bit less bad.
Like, if the New York Giants had Saquon Barkley this year, and this is where I feel bad for Giants fans because it's basically a constant, the clip of Mera and Joe Shane talking in the offseason, that's just being hammered in their head, And memes does the – he's trying to deflect from the Jets where he just keeps posting rushing yards for the Giants, rushing yards for Saquon Barkley, touchdowns for Saquon Barkley, touchdowns for the Giants, all those insult stats. If Saquon Barkley was on the Giants this year, would the Giants have maybe one more win? Yeah, at least.
They would still be a bad football team because they don't have everything else. They don't have a quarterback.
So, yeah, I think the running back position is, like, if you already have the foundation and a good team and then you add an elite running back, then it's, yeah, that's where running back becomes very important and takes you to a Super Bowl level. It's definitely worth it.
And there are a few games where you can look back on and be like, one play really did kind of change the outcome of this game. And then this one would be Quentin Johnson dropping that wide open pass.
And then probably still would have lost, but that was a 30-yard gain. It was a 30-yard gain at least, and it was huge in terms of what happened right afterwards.
They give the ball away, they punt away, and then the Ravens go score go score touchdown it feels at that point like it's out of reach uh now in that instance if he catches that i still the chargers have a pretty good chance to win that game or at least come back and make it very very close down the stretch now i have a question for you about the way justin herbert handled that yeah so he drops that that's kind of been the knock against quinn he's had some bad times in the NFL yeah he's looked pretty good this year his hands don't always work they don't always work it's okay it happens so when when he drops that pass Justin Herbert goes back and immediately throws two more passes to him in the fourth quarter and he drops both of those as well do you think that that was the right thing for Justin Herbert to do to be like I trust my guy i'm going to try to build back his confidence or do you think it was very mean of justin herbert

to keep throwing the ball to him or was it dumb of justin herbert to keep throwing the ball is

there an option c that the chargers don't have uh elite wide receiver talent and you got to kind of

just do what you get like joshua palmer was getting these deep targets like yeah it reminds

you that the chargers are the whole team out of lad yeah glad the cocky is awesome but the Chargers are I feel like an elite wide receiver next year away from being a real real threat yeah because it is like when you throw it to Quentin Johnson in crunch time he's had a nice season he's kind of recaptured a little of what we thought he was going to be when he was drafted out of tcu but it it is a reminder that oh man if they had a t higgins or you know one of these guys you know a dj moore or i don't even know like you can list a bunch of guys where it's like even a jordan addison if they had someone what if they had zay flowers or jordan addisonetically. Hypothetically.
The two receivers that were drafted right after Quentin Johnson. Yeah.
That would be nice. Yeah.
I think it's kind of funny that we're talking about the Chargers and we're like, they're a good receiver away from being a really good team, which goes to show you how much Harbaugh has completely flipped what the Chargers were on its head. Yeah.
Like, the knock against the Chargers in the past was always, like, kind of a soft team. Couldn't, like, run run the football couldn't stop the run uh their defense is very good yeah jk dobbins getting hurt was obviously big yeah that was you can't really rely on him to be healthy but he's changed the charges up so much yeah that they're sometimes winning games that they would have easily lost in the past 10 seasons and instead we're talking about them like they just need like a great wide receiver yeah there's all they used to have and and it's it's uh i mean this is a rebuilding year for the chargers and i they're going to be a playoff team and i still i still would take like the chargers can beat anyone they again they have to play a perfect game they can't have the quentin johnson drop uh i have a fun fact for you about the ravens and their dominance you ready for this uh the ravens the only team to hold the bal Ravens under 20 points this season.
Who is it? Let's see. They lost to the Raiders, but I think that was a high-scoring game.
It was recently, within the last three weeks. Oh.
The Pittsburgh Steelers. Okay, yeah.
So the only team to hold them under 20 points. That's how good the Ravens' offense has been.
Before that, who was the only other team to hold them under 20 points? The Steelers. Week 18 of 2023 against the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Before that, who was the only team to hold them under 20 points? Steelers. The Steelers week five of 2023.
The Ravens, as long as they don't have to play the Steelers, will just dominate anyone on offense. Yeah.
So the last three times they've been held under 20 points, it's been the Pittsburgh Steelers. That was from Alex Kizora.
Sorry for butchering your name. But yeah, that's what the Ravens offense is.
It's just elite. And I didn't even think like Lamar, it wasn't like one of those nights.
He had a couple moments where like, holy shit shit but it wasn't a true lamar has taken

over this game he played good yeah not incredible and they still scored 30 points he didn't have

that sick touchdown run where he did the exact same thing he did in his high school highlight

yes we just stopped at the corner and let the guy go right by him yeah did you so the the charges

right now i've got them what are they 35 to 1 to win the super bowl yeah well you don't have them

no no i'm looking at the odds right now.

Yeah, yeah. You can hop back in.

I think I might hop back in on the Chargers

to win the Super Bowl at 35-1.

What do you have them at? I have 40-1 and 35-1.

So hop back in.

Be a friendship thing. Not you, Hank.

You're not in the friend group. By the way, you mentioned

that Lamar touchdown run.

So Kevin Clark had an

anecdote. He called the high school coach of Lamar Jackson.
Yeah. His name is Don Hanna and Lamar Jackson did that kind of play against him in high school.
And Don Hanna said, like he was questioning whether he should be a football coach after Lamar Jackson did that. He said, there's something I'm not doing to put my kids in position to be successful.
The feeling stayed with Hannah for a long time. Jackson had made him question his own coaching.
Fast forward two years later, and he's watching Florida State and Louisville, and he can't believe what he's doing against one of the top teams in college football. I feel a lot better.
Fast forward another two years later, he's doing against the NFL, and no one can tackle him, and he's like, oh, actually, I'm fine. I maybe should be an NFL coach.
Yeah. So Lamar Jackson had a guy basically questioning his existence for like a five-year span off of how great Lamar Jackson is.
There's a good lesson in that. Don't blame yourself so quickly for small mistakes that you make.
Yes. Because maybe other people make those mistakes much more publicly than you.
Yes. I like the idea, though, that the Steelers have built a defense kind of specifically to beat the Ravens.
And if you can beat the Ravens, then it'll make you pretty good against everybody else, too. Right.
Right. Yeah.
You just need to find a way to play the Ravens. It's basically a Kirby Smart Alabama situation.
They have one team to beat. If the Steelers ever have to play the Ravens in a Super Bowl I'm taking the Steelers yeah I mean you might not beat every team all the time but if you can beat the Ravens consistently then you will do you'll be hitting probably like 60% 70% against the rest of the NFL yeah okay do we have anything else from week 12 before we get in so the plan today is is we're going to talk college football.
We're going to do the Thanksgiving games with the pick. And then we are going to have an interview with Fred Smoot.
And then everyone who wants to stop can stop. If you have to work on Friday, you can stop.
Then we're going to do all the Sunday games. And then we're going to finish with the interview.
Great interview with Kirk Cousins.

Try to close your eyes and figure out who's Kirk Cousins

and who's Fred Smoot.

Yeah.

Bet you can't.

Yeah, it's going to be tough.

Where's Hot Seat Cool Throne?

Hot Seat Cool Throne's right before Fred Smoot.

So it's basically the regular show,

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with another interview for the people.

Let's do a little college football.

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Okay. Week 13 in college football was, I don't want to take a victory lap, but I'm going to take a victory lap.
Because, and I think I speak for all of us here. We were all on the side of the 12-team playoff rules.
The 12-team playoff is going to be great. Anyone who says the regular season won't matter is not seeing the big picture.
Not to name names of Tom Fornelli. We saw on Saturday a chaotic, chaotic scene all across the country in games that would not have mattered if it weren't for the 12-team playoff.
Ole Miss, two-loss Ole Miss team, losing to Florida. That game doesn't matter if it's a 14-playoff.
Two-loss Alabama, losing to Oklahoma. That game doesn't matter if it's a 14-playoff.
We had Texas A&M losing late to Auburn. That game doesn't matter if it's a 14-playoff.
So having these games means so much. And I know, much and I know you know you're like well a two loss team or shouldn't even be in the conversation well they are now because the 12 team playoff I loved it I loved every second of it it basically started the Saturday started where Indiana was the big loser because of how Ohio State treated them and by the end of night, the big winners were Indiana and Tennessee because the SEC spent all the early slate watching Indiana lose

and being like, told you so, we're going to get six teams in.

And then they pissed down their leg,

and now the SEC is littered with three lost teams

that maybe one of them gets in, but that might even be too many.

Maybe not.

Yeah, so if you're an Indiana fan, your Saturday went as follows.

Never daunted.

Game starts first quarter.

Never daunted.

Second quarter, I'm starting to feel maybe a little bit daunted, but I won't publicly

say that I'm daunted.

A touch of dauntness.

Second half, you know what?

I'm definitely daunted, and maybe it's okay to be daunted.

Maybe we're not ready to be undaunted just yet. Then the SEC games start.
We're fucking never daunted. We're never daunted.
Now you get to point to the scoreboard for SEC teams, and anyone that says to Indiana, well, maybe you shouldn't get your ass kicked by Ohio State and just point to the rest of your schedule being cupcakes. Well, guess what? Now the SEC and teams like Notre Dame, you can't make the schedule argument anymore because Indiana, if you just look at their losses and you look at their wins and their overall strength of schedule, you can't say that you should be in over Indiana anymore.
So it was crazy. And now I'm going to i'm i've been a big like pro college football playoff guy since they announced it i think that having a 12 and eventually 16 playoff is awesome it's good every other sport has a tournament like this um i'm gonna take i'm gonna do devil's advocate for tom for nelly okay because this thought crept into my head on the drive-in this morning.
Is there an argument to be made that teams, like powerhouse teams, are losing more frequently because they don't have that same sense of urgency every single week, like you have to be perfect or else you do not get into the 14 playoff? No. I don't think that's the case.
I think it's the parity of the NIL and the transfer portal has made it so it's a lot more flattened out and it's not like this year is I mean this year has had chaos but we still have a undefeated Oregon team we still have a one loss Ohio State team we still have a one loss Texas team and one like so there still would be a 14 playoffoff that we just never paid attention to five through 12 and now we are you know what I mean like the conversation on Saturday would have just been Ohio State Penn State almost losing to Minnesota by the way shout out James Franklin that fake punt was awesome uh like it would have it would have just shifted our eyes to we're only watching those four teams uh and not the rest of the teams that are still eligible for the playoffs. Like if you're Georgia, you don't think that there's like a small, small bit that's like if all these games are must-wins, they come out, they play just a tiny, tiny bit more focused or harder against Ole Miss? No.
I mean, I think Ole Miss was just the better team. They were the better team that day.
Yeah, yeah. It was a thought that I had.
Now, I'm still in favor of the playoffs. Tom's point, and I understand Tom's point, is that Notre Dame losing to NIU in the past would have been a catastrophic loss that ended their season.
You do lose a little of that. I agree with Tom there.
But Notre Dame's playing good ball right now like I know that army I I had Notre Dame versus army I thought they were going to kill them they killed them army was undefeated going into that game I want to see Notre Dame and I don't know if Notre Dame can win the entire thing but they could probably win a playoff game maybe two I do think there's been such a mess at all these all these like uh, the Big 12 has eight teams still could get into the Big 12 championship game. I do strongly think that if your name's not Oregon, Ohio State, or Georgia, you're not going to win the whole thing.
But I'm happy about the 12-team playoff. So it's kind of like we're going to get to the same thing at the end, but it's going to be more fun during the season because you have these crazy results that – like Alabama losing to Oklahoma.
Alabama already would have had just a disappointing this season is over before Saturday night. Then having that, it's like, holy shit, how do you not make the 12-team playoff? You're Alabama.
Could you see Tennessee going on a little run? Tennessee also was a big winner throughout this Saturday. Like everything that had to happen in Tennessee and more happened.
Yeah, I said that. Indiana and Tennessee were the big winners.
I'm still a little nervous about Nico. Yeah, but I've seen flashes here and there from Nico.
He hasn't been good this season, don't get me wrong. But he's had a couple plays, a couple games where I'm like, oh, this guy's really good.
And any time I see that out of a young player, I'm like, what if they just become that player? Yeah, the other big winner we should say is the ACC because now SMU and Miami in a collision course too, which I'm not ruling out more chaos happening this weekend. I think rivalry weekend throughout the record books, there could be more chaos that we don't even see.
But SMU and Miami, both of them should get in now with a bunch of three loss sec teams they should yeah and texas a&m by the way is still alive if they win out so if texas a&m beats texas they'll be in the sec championship game and if they win the sec championship game they're automatically in so um there's another big story that happened uh after Oklahoma beat Alabama, Brent Finables, the under fire coach, I would say, for Oklahoma. I think that's fair to call him.
He spent a Saturday night at a Taco Bell in Norman after beating Alabama. He and his daughters spent $94 at Taco Bell.
How many daughters? I'm going to guess two. Okay.
I'm going to guess two daughters. That's a lightweight order.
That's $94 at Taco Bell. How many daughters? I'm going to guess two.
I'm going to guess two daughters. That's a lightweight order.
That's $94 at Taco Bell between a football coach and two daughters. He might have had like $70 worth of orders.
Yeah. So I don't know how that breaks down, but I do know that that's kind of a big boy.
It's a big boy order to do that with your daughters. Yeah.
Yeah. he deserved it they rushed the field twice yeah they rushed the field there's rushing the field everywhere hank already pointed out because he seems to only care about our teams losing pft that nebraska rushed the team on uh rushed the field on wisconsin it's a big win for nebraska yeah they deserve it they haven't they haven't been to a bowl game in like a decade yeah been a bad team.
Yeah. Really bad.
And shout out our good friend Dana, because he turned around that offense. Yeah.
Good. Shout out to Dana.
Also, news breaking this morning, Mack Brown has been fired. Oh, I thought he was going to come back.
Mack Brown has been fired by the University of North Carolina. He said he wanted to come back after he tried to retire halfway through the season.
He quit. He quit after JMU beat them.

I think it was 70 to 50.

Yeah.

He quit for 24 hours.

I don't even think it was 24 hours.

I think it was like a five-hour quit.

Remember, he told his team, I don't think I can coach you anymore.

And then on Sunday, they talked to Mac Brown's assistant.

He was like, he'll be at work.

He'll be at work on Monday.

Yeah, don't worry.

He says this all the time.

This is Mac.

So do you think Mac does it? Do you think he gets another job he goes back to tv i would say he's probably done probably going to tv yes i would say he's probably done that's interesting because now uh we'll see i mean if if kirby smart wins the national title this year we're gonna have there there's how many national title head coaches will be that will there be Like, it'll just be Kirby Smart. Just Kirby Smart.
No, and Dabo. Yep, Dabo.
And Dabo. Because Jimbo's gone.
Yeah, Harbaugh's gone. Harbaugh's gone.
Eddo's obviously gone. Urban Meyer's gone.
Saban's gone. Saban's gone.
I don't know if we're forgetting someone. I'm sure we are fucking this up.
No, I don't know's it obviously Ryan Day or Dan Lanning could join the crew this year yeah I think that's it right it's crazy Mac Brown was the best part of the trivia question of how many head coaches currently have a national title yeah that was the do you know ball question about Mac last last thing i wanted to talk about with college football uh do you want to do a new segment a new segment it's called our unbiased take on the heisman trophy race okay okay it's hot why is it so hot in the studio all right so quick unbiased take on the heisman trophy race i have a couple things I would like to say to Heisman voters that might be listening. Listen.
Here, put your laptop down. Okay, all right, put my laptop down.
I have some stats I have to read as well. I'll find them on my phone.
So, unbiased take on the Heisman Trophy race. The first thing I would like to say is, so I believe the Heisman ballots go out on Monday, and you can send them in as early as you want, or you could wait for conference championship weekend to happen.
We know how politics have worked in the last whatever decade, actually going all the way back to 2000, fraught with maybe some voter fraud, some irregularities. What I would like to say to the Heisman voters is send in your ballot early.

Make sure your ballot gets counted.

You get that ballot on Monday or Tuesday.

You fill it out.

You send it right back.

Nothing in conference championship weekend can change your opinion.

Yeah, and there's nothing to stop you from registering in multiple states either.

You don't have to worry about signature verification if you're in California. I know sometimes it'll take the voters from California maybe two months to process the votes.

So you should get them in now just so you have a higher likelihood of them getting counted.

If you look at it, I think it really comes down to two guys, Big Cat.

I think it's Gentry from Boise State.

Ashton Gentry having a great year.

He's having a great year.

Fantastic year.

They're saying that he's doing things that haven't been done for like 30 years or so. Oh, hold that thought real quick.
Uh-huh. I'm holding the thought.
I'm holding space for that thought right now. Unbiased, unbiased, unbiased Heisman Trophy talk.
Can you say that last sentence again? Yeah, Ashton Jinty is doing stuff that, you know, people are saying that it hasn't been done for 30 years or so. Yeah.
Melvin Gordon in 2014, I can't remember what team he played for, he had 2,587 yards, 7.5 yards per carry, which is the same as Ashton Gentry, 32 total touchdowns. Now Ashton Gentry right now has a little over 2,000 yards and 28 total touchdowns.
So he could get to those numbers. Melvin Gordon played in, I think it was the Big Ten.
Yeah, and didn't Melvin Gordon, he put up some of those stats against a very vaunted Nebraska defense. He ran 400 yards against Nebraska.
A really tough defense with great linebackers. Another random guy because we've never seen this before.
Again, Ashton Gentry having a great year. He's having a great year.
Monty Ball, I don't know where he played. 2011, he had just south of 2,000 yards, 39 total touchdowns.
And he was fat. And he was fat, and he did that.
I think he was in the Big Ten as well. We also have just random guys.
Kevin Smith, who played for UCF in 2007, he had 2,500 rushing yards and 29 touchdowns. And and Rashad Penny who actually plays in the Mountain West in 2017 had 2248 yards 7.8 yards per carry which is more than Ash and Gentry and 23 touchdowns so it seems like we maybe have seen this before again we're very unbi here.
This is our unbiased Heisman Trophy take.

Yeah, and Barry Sanders did it a long time ago.

All-time great.

Nothing to take away from Barry Sanders.

He had some very, very impressive stats that are, I think,

currently as they stand, better than Ashton Gentry's.

So Ashton Gentry is doing stuff that has almost never been done before,

with the exception of those, what, five people that you mentioned?

Well, actually, I want to give credit to Ashton Gentry real quick because he has done something that's never been done before, as exception of those what five people that you mentioned well actually i i want to give credit to ash and genti real quick because he has done something that's never been done before as far as i know um he had uh nine total touchdowns against utah state and georgia southern i don't know if anyone else has done that so a third of his touched or yeah a third of his total touchdowns came against utah state and georgia. So he has done something that no one's ever done.
Yeah, but overall, big picture, zooming out, very impressive season. Incredible.
I'd say one of the best seasons for a running back of all time. In the last five, ten years.
Five, ten years. Now, wait, Georgia Southern, they beat Ole Miss, right? I don't think so.
They lost Ole Miss, yeah. They had one big – oh, yeah, James Madison.
They beat James Madison. That's what it was.
So, you're right, Big Cat. Pretty impressive season.
Travis Hunter was the other name that came to mind. Oh, who does he play for? I don't even recognize that name.
He plays for the Colorado Buffaloes. Ask me what position he plays.
PFT, what position does he play? He plays two positions, Big Cat. What? Oh, is he kicker and punter? At the highest of levels.
He probably could. He could be like Sammy Ball.
Oh. And he also plays a little bit of quarterback, too.
They do a lot of direct snaps. So really kind of three positions for the Colorado Buffaloes.
He plays wide receiver, cornerback, and yeah, occasionally he'll take some snaps as the quarterback in some running situations. Now he's doing things that nobody has ever done in the history of college football.
Not even in the last 5-10 years? Not even in the last 5-10 years, no. And it's like every time you put the ball in his hands, he scores a touchdown, which is pretty impressive.
And he doesn't get bottled up in halves either. I've noticed that.
Sometimes you can say about other players, they might be bottled up for a little bit, but you give them enough reps, they're going to break one through. You can't bottle up Travis Hunter.
Right. You can't bottle him up.
Right. The guy is a beast.
He is a ball hawk, and he's dynamic with the ball in his hands. And he's probably going to be invited to the awards for the top defensive back in the country and also the top wide receivers in the country.
I believe that's Blitnikoff. And is it the Jim Thorpe? Yeah.
He'll probably be nominated for both of those awards. I got a question for you, PFT.
So does he – cornerback and wide receiver, does he play over 100 snaps a game? Yeah, even more than that, you could say, because you don't take into account the penalties, as our good friend Joe Klatt would tell us. So when you look at the total snaps that he plays, it's way over 100 snaps per game.
Yeah. So, all right, last question about this guy, Travis Hunter, who I'm just learning about.
So he plays both sides. He doesn't score touchdowns, does he? All he does is score touchdowns.
Did he score a couple on saturday he had a pair of touchdowns on saturday colorado you said he played for colorado yeah they lost to kansas so did kansas throw for like a million yards or did they run for a million yards no they ran the football oh they ran the football so actually he he he did his job and he if you watch the game which i didn't but i'm just saying i might have watched the game, they just didn't throw at him because he's such a good cornerbacker. They don't really throw at him, but even when they don't throw at him, he still manages to get interceptions.
That's crazy. Yeah.
Wow. Any questions, Hank? No.
It seems like there's no media bias whatsoever. It's not a popularity contest.
I've seen people say that. It doesn't really make sense.
This has nothing to do with his popularity or the sexiness of it. It's just strictly numbers.
Well, I mean, PFT just explained it. It's one guy who we've literally never seen this happen before, and then another guy who we see it happen every five to ten years.
And then also maybe sometimes against better competition in the 10 melvin gordon monty ball again i don't know who they play for uh so yeah i mean this is a no-brainer if i had a heisman vote i think i'd go travis hunter we we did a bad job this year we didn't really talk about the heisman much so i'm happy that we're kind of at the end of the regular season when again you should send should send in your vote early, often, right away. I don't count conference championship weekend.
No, don't wait. Don't wait to see what happens.
Anything can happen. So send in your vote early.
And it sounds like it's kind of Travis Hunter. If I had to vote right now, I think I'd vote Travis Hunter unbiased.
Whose line is it anyway? You guys said you haven't been locked in. But whose line is it anyway would you say for the Heisman Trophy right now? I mean, it should be like Travis Hunter minus like 5,000 if everything what PFT said is correct.
Right now it's Travis Hunter minus 800. Minus 800? Ashton Ginty is plus 600.
Well, that's kind of crazy because it doesn't seem like, again, it's something we've never seen before. I mean, minus 800 is basically a sure thing.
No, I wouldn't say it's a sure thing at all. This fucking guy.
Hank, Hank, Hank, tell the truth. Tell the truth.
This fucking guy. Hank, look at me right now.
Hold on. Hold on.
Tell the truth, Hank. Did you bet on Ashton Jinty to win the Heisman? No.
No, I did not. Okay.
And if you follow me on the DraftKings Sportsbook, Barstow Betting Group, you would know that. At that point, I would almost respect it if you bet on Travis Jensi.
I bet on Travis Hunter. Unbiased Heisman Trophy conversation is over.
I put my sweatshirt back on. What the fuck are you doing? What the fuck are you doing? I'm just talking.
You piece of shit. I thought you were doing a thing.
I thought I was trying to speak from the hate. Okay, my bad.
No, you just said it was a sure thing. What are you doing? That's not what I said.
Travis Hunter has nine receiving touchdowns, 74 receptions, 911 receiving yards. He's got two carries and a rushing touchdown.
That's a pretty high percentage, isn't it? Back to unbiased. Is Ashton Jinty's carry to touchdown ratio, is it better than two carries with a rushing touchdown? Probably not.
Does he score touchdowns 50% of the time he touches the ball? No. Definitely not.
Does he play defense? He does not play defense. He also plays in the Mount West, which I like the Mount West.
Great Mount West. Travis Hunter, 23 tackles, eight PBUs, three

picks, and oh yeah,

he has a forced fumble at the goal line that won

his team a game. Wow.

Wow. That's

crazy. That is crazy.

Hank, I don't like you,

Hank. Lock it up.
Come on, Hank.

I love you. Fucking clean it up.
I love you too.

Alright. Unbiased Heisman talk

is over.

That was our college football talk.

I'm happy for the listeners that Thank you. Fucking clean it up.
I love you too. All right.
Unbiased Heisman talk is over. That was our college football talk.
I'm happy for the listeners that we were able to finally talk about the Heisman Trophy, which we haven't done all year. You think any voters out there just hate Dion so much that they'll take a vote out against him? Well, those people should hand in their vote.
And don't vote if you are that biased. Because we're unbiased.
Be a big J. Be a big J and admit your biases.
And be like, you know what? I am going to recuse myself from voting because there's a conflict of interest. Yeah.
Because Dion wouldn't answer my question at a press conference. Yeah.
And vote early, vote often. We can't say it enough.
Make sure you get that in. Conference championship games don't really matter.
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By the way, we did that whole thing, and I don't know why. So Pug, Max is in Philly.
Pug is, I don't know what we have on the TV right now. We have like a, they're like an English artifact finders.
Why are we watching this? Pug, what did you put on the TV? I have Max up right now. No, you do not.
We are watching two British women look at an old scroll. This is a good furnishing example because it said pounds.
Yeah. I think you just look British.
You can just see it in their teeth. It was the teeth.
Yeah. What a beautiful pair of earrings that we have here.
Oh, look at this.

How they come into life.

My mom actually gave them to me as a wedding present,

but they actually came from my mom.

We put a granny.

My great granny.

Oh, how wonderful.

Oh, granny.

They are absolutely stunning.

When is this?

This is from when we colonized every country in the world.

Our Prince Harry has left for the United States,

but now he's in a professional separation from his girlfriend. Yeah.
Let's not talk about Andrew being a pedophile. Max, you're back.
I don't know why we had that on. Are you in a bathroom? Max, can you hear us? No, I'm in the basement and my mic just got fucked up again.
Oh, no. Are you pooping? Like seconds before.
You look like you're in a bathroom. You look like you're in a bathroom.
We should do an episode where we're all pooping. Oh, that would be good.
Pardon my poop. Max, real quick, before we talk about the Thanksgiving games and the Black Friday game, were you able to hear our unbiased Heisman conversation? Yeah, Hank's a fucking asshole.
He always is. What was it? What? What do you mean what? Basically, PNTI were playing a perfect pick-and-roll offense.
So was I. And then Hank just showed up and just tripped us both.
No, you weren't. I said basically.
Whatever. You said basically, Max.
You just tried to jinx it. No.
You've done that a million times. I was talking from an unbiased.
Oh, my God. He doesn't.

He's stuck in trouble.

It's his life.

He doesn't know how to get out of it.

It's his life.

I did love...

This is the Brooks.

Sometimes when I troll...

I did love Barstool Paul being like,

all he does is try to make the podcast better

and all you guys hate on him.

Yeah.

I mean, Hank did a phenomenal job on Monday's episode.

I will say that.

Yeah.

Phenomenal.

Phenomenal podcast phenomenal podcasting by Henry.

Yeah, instead of calling timeout to hate like Mr. Kraft would like him to do,

he literally calls timeout to hate.

So he has more time to hate.

I have Travis Hunter.

Like, I have Travis Hunter.

I actually think it'd be very funny if you had secretly had Jintzy this entire time.

But, like, that's where it's like you guys are coming down my throat.

I'm in the same exact room.

What are we doing? We're coming down my throat I'm in the same exact I don't think you did that on purpose but I think your brain yeah if I said it was a log different I said so basically yeah that's opening up the idea to to to whatever I was trying to play into their bit how was that playing along I'm just curious it wasn't a bit by the because I was doing the like you guys I was basically to play into their bit. How was that playing along? I'm just curious.
It wasn't a bit, by the way. Because I was doing the like you guys, I was basically giving the sides of people who are against Travis Hunter and I was giving you guys the opportunity to refute it by being like, oh, like it's a popularity contest.
No, like, oh, it must be a sure thing then. Like, no.
I'm giving the reason for why it's not a sure thing and you should vote early. Hank, there's a great quote by Kurt Vonnegut.
I think he says, we are what we pretend to be,

so we must be very careful about what we pretend to be.

And I feel like you have pretended to be a troll so much

that it is actually running through your blood right now.

I think it's the opposite.

I think he doesn't pretend to be a troll.

Pitty, your entire career is based off being a troll.

This whole T word gets thrown around.

How do you think I know that quote so well? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right.
Let's talk Thursday and Friday games. We're going to do one pick each for Thursday and Friday, and then we'll do two picks on Sunday.
What is the updated standings? Do we have that? I believe Max had two wins last weekend, so Max is now a half game back of me.

So he's still in last.

And I'm one game back of you, Big Cat, and I think you might be one game back of Hank.

We're a human centipede of losing picks.

Yeah, nobody is above 500.

Me and Hank, 12-12.

Big Cat, 11-13.

PFT, 10-14.

Max, 9-14-1.

Okay, so let's talk the games.

First up, Bears at Lions. Lions minus 10 over under 48-and-a-half.
I am on high alert of a very embarrassing Thanksgiving. Yeah, it's bad timing to be playing against the Lions right now as the early game on Thanksgiving because that's going to set the tone for your entire day.
It feels, yeah i know the lions lost last year uh to the packers i don't i don't feel good about the bears chances in this game did you guys see uh matt eberfuss who by the way i they should fire him after we get embarrassed by the lions because at this point i know the bears have never fired a coach in 100 years history in midseason. At this point, you should honestly tell Caleb like, hey, we fucked up with Shane Waldron and Matt Iberflus.
Our bad. We're firing him right now.
It's your franchise. You're going to have a very big part of who we hire next because it's your franchise.
So you're saying fire Iberflus after Thanksgiving. Right after Thanksgiving, on Thanksgiving.
Leave him in Detroit. Leave him in Detroit.
He was asked about the challenge that he had of Jordan Addison where he might have gone out of bounds and they challenged the play. He says it always warrants a challenge when you have that big of a game, even if we don't have the best look at what we would have yeah it's not good admitting that essentially if there's an explosive play even if you think that it everything was fine just challenge it because you just want to challenge yeah rage challenge yeah yeah it happens all the time coaches challenge a play because they don't like what happened but they don't admit that they won't admit it, but he admits it, which is pretty crazy.
There should be somebody on that staff that is in charge of watching the plays and telling them when to challenge. That's bad.
It's a bad thing to think. It's a bad thing to do, and it's a pretty terrible thing to admit publicly.
Yes. It's almost like he wants to be fired.
Do you think – is David Montgomery going to play? I don't think it matters. I don't know.
Yeah, it yeah it doesn't matter the lions are gonna do whatever they want on offense because that's the biggest thing is the bears defense is take falling off a cliff um injury update will the line play on thanksgiving this is pug pug on the computer he sits out walkthrough practice yeah lions are gonna win this game i don't know what to say i just hope the kill plays well like the lions are win this game. It's crazy that we are in a world where, for the longest time, the Thanksgiving early game was the Lions, like, in the midst of a terrible season, and you have the sad pilgrim guy taking a nap halfway through the game.
Lions are the best team in football, and they get their center stage on Thanksgiving. I wish it wasn't at my expense, but it is, and I understand the deal here.
I'm always curious about the pattern of Lions fans on Thanksgiving because you've had this game for a very long time. It was only yours, and I think Jerry Jones was like, I want to get in on some of that turkey action.
Yeah, give me that. The Cowboys should have one too.
But it's been the Lions tradition. What is the pattern? What do you go through? What does your day look like as a Lions fan? Do you have family over and you all go to game together do you have um like a lot of stuff pre-made before you go to the game then you go home you pop it in the oven do you do you get a nap on thanksgiving if you're a lions fan i think if you go to this are you saying guys people who go to the game people that go to yeah yeah i think if you're going to the game the perfect way to do it is you go you tailgate and you have everything ready for after the game and you do thanksgiving uh dinner like at the tailgate in the parking lot after the game that'd be fun which has to hit so much harder if you have a good team yeah or you could actually do it before i mean it's 12 30 local time you could you could do a thanksgiving you know do thanksgiving dinner at like 11 30 and then left i mean that's i think that's too early for regular people.
But if you're going to a game Thanksgiving dinner at 1130, then leftovers when you get out of the game. Yeah, you might be able to depending how cold it is, it might keep pretty well in the parking lot afterwards.
But, yeah, it's got to be a whole different animal for Lions fans having a good team to watch, a fun team to watch on Thanksgiving. Hopefully they have a good one afterwards because eating a sad somber thanksgiving every single year like i bet people from detroit have a completely different vibe of what thanksgiving is like from the rest of the country yeah because they had to deal with such shitty teams for so long that they'd be forced to watch in the morning yeah and then thanksgiving is probably pretty low down on their their list of national holidays compared to the rest of the country but now it's.
Now it's the best, yeah. Now it's a celebration.
By the way, this is just a fun stat I came across. Since playing the Buccaneers, the Eagles and Lions are combined 16-0.
So the Bucs are the third best team in the NFC. This is all I got from that stat.
Yeah. So 16-0.
The last loss for the Eagles and the Lions is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

That's pretty crazy.

The Lions are – it's crazy.

I think they're the best at everything.

Yeah.

I really do.

I think that they have maybe the best running attack in the NFC.

I think they've got the best – yeah, Max, this is –

Max?

He said the best at everything.

Everything.

I mean, that's incorrect but that's fine well they can't be the best that the best at having saquon barkley but they're also not the best at running quarterbacks that's true lamar and josh allen would be i would take them over jared goff in terms of running but i'm saying like as a team. Yeah.
They might be the best at everything. This is also, by the way, the biggest favorite the Lions have been since 1968.
That's pretty crazy. So 1968 was the last time they were this big of a favorite on Thanksgiving.
So, yeah, it's usually a bad scene. Max, do you want to dispute that? What are the Eagles better at? I mean, they're comparable at every single position, and the defense is better.
The Eagles defense is unequivocally better. Okay.
They are better at yards allowed per game. Which is a pretty important thing for a defense.
And they are better at running the football. Which is a pretty important thing for an offense.
that's also true but yeah no better at everything I'd like to walk back that take gracefully um the Lions are better than the Eagles at almost everything no this is perfect though because I love that everybody who doesn't everybody across the NFL has just anointed the Lions the winners of the NFS they've anointed the Lions as the the winners of the Super Bowl. I agree with you, Matt.
Even though when you just look at the stats, the Eagles are right there. They're a different team than the first four games.
Since Baldiani has come out, they're the best team in football. Yeah.
I think the Eagles are right there. I know Lions fans have also gotten to the point where they haven't embraced the fact that they're just the favorites to win the Super Bowl, and they'll be mad if you pick against the Lions.
It's like if you pick against the team doesn't mean you think the team stinks. It's called a spread.
Right. I'm one-on-one picking against the Lions in the last three weeks when I had the Texans, and then last week I obviously had the Colts.
Here's another stat that's going to suck for the Bears. Favorites of over 10 points are 9-0 against the spread on Thanksgiving since 2005, and 11-0 against the spread in the wildcard era.
So, big favorites Thanksgiving. They just crush.
Yeah. All right.
Next game. Gross.
Jerry World. Giants and Cowboys.
Cowboys minus four over under 37 and a half. I don't know.
It's just going to suck. Is this Drew Locke or are we getting more Tommy? I think it might still be Tommy.
This is a perfect nap game. Yeah.
Perfect nap game. Good timing for the nap.
I would like to see Drew Locke start in this game. I don't know if we're going to get him.
But Jerry Jones came out this week. He did his hit his hit on 105.3 and he said i don't see why we wouldn't be thinking about keeping mike mccarthy around giving him an extension so they are thinking about it i also think there's a chance jerry just might be fucking with mike mccarthy yeah just like he knows he's gonna fire him but he's trying to be nice guy jerry in public listen he wait what is that what is that QB...
What is that... Stop typing.
Giants QB Drew Locke revealed final request he made of Daniel Jones. What was that? Hold my hair? Can I have your locker? Yeah.
They're going to shoot me? Drew Locke jokes he wouldn't let Daniel Jones out of the building after hearing of his release until the... Oh.
He said he was going to kidnap him? This game's going to stink. One last thing he would do before the team This is so sad The facility If he leaves without doing a jersey swap We're going to have a problem Because I really want a Daniel Jones jersey Wow You could go to probably Dick's And get one for $20 I have a theory I think Drew Locke He played backup quarterback a few times.
I think he wants to have the jerseys of all the guys whose jobs he took even momentarily. Yeah, which I guess he technically hasn't.
So he needs to get Tommy. Yeah, no, he hasn't taken his job yet.
Has he been playing scout team safety? He might have. He might have.
He might have taken his job there. I don't really know this game.
I'm probably going to end up betting the Cowboys, and something weird is going to happen because it's the NFL. Does this not, though, feel like a great time to take the Giants? Yeah.
Well, it's just the Cowboys won. The Giants got embarrassed.
Yeah. Flip it.
Yeah. Also, I recall Tommy DeVito's season last year starting pretty poorly, right? Well, he – And then he had a couple games where he looked good.
When he came in, yeah, he had... I think there was that Raiders game that wasn't very good, and then he had the Monday night game against the Packers.
Which is great. That was big.
Yeah. So Tommy is capable of pulling it together.
Do Italians do the seven fishes on Thanksgiving? Yeah, I don't know if Tommy's capable.

I think he is what he is.

We'll see.

I would like to have an Italian renaissance with Tommy.

That would be nice.

That would be a lot of fun.

How many crowd shots are we going to get of Sean Stellato?

Oh, I don't know if he'll be there. You don't think so on Thanksgiving with all the cameras on him?

He's got to do the seven fishes. You think Sean Stellato is more of a low-key guy? He on Thanksgiving with all the cameras on him? He's got to do the seven fishes.

You think Sean Salato is more of a low-key guy?

He doesn't like the publicity?

No, he's got to do the seven fishes.

I think that's only Christmas, though.

Oh, yeah, that is Christmas.

Max, what do Italians eat on Thanksgiving?

I was chomping at the bit to correct you on that.

There's no seven fishes during Thanksgiving.

Lasagna?

It's Christmas Eve.

Lasagna?

You guys eat lasagna?

Lasagna is an Italian Thanksgiving thing for sure. Yeah.
What eat for Thanksgiving I everything I go traditional oh uh okay next game next game Packers Dolphins at Packers uh the line right now on DraftKings is Packers minus three and a half over under 47 Tua in weather under 40 degrees which I think it's gonna be like 20 degrees on thursday night in lambo he is oh and four straight up one and three against the spread uh yeah it doesn't i'm very nervous about the dolphins chances in a cold weather game i'm kind of in on two though being a destroyer of narratives the thing. The Dolphins are in a weird spot because they are five and six.
They have the chance to make a run here down the stretch. They have been a good team when Tua has been playing and they've been an obviously terrible team when he's been out.
Why not have this be the game that you destroy the cold weather narrative? I would like to see, because we're this early uh my big thing is like is mike mcdaniel making too much of the cold because remember when he did the t-shirts uh before the buffalo game and it's kind of one of those things where if you talk about it so much that's all you're going to think about he's probably just let it be cold he's probably watching film on the weather yeah he's probably got the boys in the meeting room tuned to weather.com and showing stuff on the on the big screen about it uh i i don't know this makes no sense to me it makes no sense why i would right now start to believe that the dolphins can win a cold weather game but for whatever reason the fact that tua talked about it i think i'm in i'm i think i'm in on the dolphins winning a game how cold it's going to be like 20 degrees in green bay on uh Thursday night. I want to see what kind of haircut Tua comes out with.
If he has a fresh haircut, he's not winning that game. He's got the frosted tips right now.
That's perfect for the cold. Yeah.
But if he hasn't worried about getting a shape up, if he's got stray hairs looking kind of shaggy, that's a quarterback that can win in cold weather. I'm not a hater, but if I were going to be a hater and I was trying to get some copium going and be desperate to try to tell myself the Packers are not that good, I would maybe point out the fact that the Packers, I believe,

have only beaten one team over 500.

Okay.

So I think it's just the Houston Texans would be the only team.

Are the Cardinals exactly 500 right now?

I think the Cardinals are exactly 500.

Are you saying that the Packers are fraudulent?

I'm just saying if I wanted to say, you know, hey, look at this. This is interesting.
The Houston Texans are the only team they've beaten that are over 500. They've beaten the Colts, the Titans, the Rams without Cooper Cup and Puka Nakua, the Cardinals, the Texans, the Jaguars, the Bears, and the Niners without Brock Purdy.
Interesting. Oh, I guess the Cardinals.
So Cardinals and Texans. Cardinals are 6-5.
So Cardinals and Texans, two teams. If I had to just say that.
So the Dolphins record on Thanksgiving was what? 7-1, 2, 3, 5-2? 5-2. Okay.
That's something. I don't even remember the Dolphins playing on Thanksgiving.
That doesn't even. 2011 was the last time.
Yeah. Yeah.
So that doesn't even feel like a real thing. And I think all these games were indoors.
This is the first time the Dolphins have played outdoors on Thanksgiving. Huge.
Huge storyline. Oof.
Destroyer of narratives, man. Destroyer of narratives.
He's like Khaleesi. Okay.
Last game., Black Friday Works pumped for this game, right Hank? Pumped Chiefs Raiders, Chiefs minus 12.5 Over under 42.5 Aiden O'Connell? I think we're going back to AOC We're just skipping over Desmond Ritter Yeah, the only take I really have On this game is I think this is, I know the Chiefs' big spreads have been, you know, they don't cover big spreads very often, especially on the road, so they're home here, and they also have struggled a little against the Raiders. I think this is a get-right game for the Chiefs' defense because they gave up 30 points to the Bills.
They gave up 27 points to the Panthers.

They've hit a little bit of a low.

I think this is Spags being like, hey, guys, this is Aiden O'Connell.

If I don't get three turnovers this game and, you know, and like five sacks,

we got problems.

So let's really do what we should do and what we're built to do

and just smother them as a defense. Do you think Antonio Pierce pays attention to the spread? No.
You don't think so? No, because remember, he kicks field goals in weird times. Yeah, but some of those weird times where he kicks field goals are very convenient for the spread.
I think he doesn't care about the spread. He just is addicted to kicking field goals, and sometimes that helps.
Sometimes it accidentally helps out. Yeah, because he is addicted to kicking field goals.
sometimes that helps sometimes it accidentally yeah because he is addicted to kicking field goals yes yeah that feels like the because what why because they covered last time uh no they lost by 10 what was the spread of that game with the broncos oh no they they did not cover that they did not come but did they try to do something at the end of that game no i'm thinking of the the the there's one the chiefs game they played earlier this season they were kicking a bunch of of field goals. And I think it was the Rams, too.
The Rams earlier this season. I want to say they were down maybe nine points late and kicked a field goal to get within six.
Yeah, he might. He might pay attention to the spread.
Either way, this game. I'm paying attention to whether or not Antonio Pierce is paying attention to the spread.
I got my eyes on this game because this is my personal the Chiefs better just smush the Raiders. Otherwise, I'm not going to just go off their record.
I'm going to go off how they're playing. Yeah.
Does that make sense? Like, they have to – the conversation about the Chiefs being 10-1, I think there's 64 teams that have started 10-1 in the NFL in, like, the Super Bowl era. There're 63 out of 64 point margin.
So I'm going to start really if they win this game by 6 or 3, I'm going to start leaning into that and being like I don't believe this 11-1. If they win this game by 2 scores or more, that's exactly what they should do.
Smash the bad teams. Yeah, I could also could also see this being the max crosby game max likes to show up in very important games every now and again just to remind people that max crosby is like a great defensive player even though he's stuck on a team yeah uh i believe it was the chiefs game that they they kicked a field goal to cover the spread yeah eight and a half yeah earlier this year what were you gonna say i was looking at the uh yeah so the rams one as well yeah yeah rams was a big one so it was a seven point spread i believe they were down nine yeah and they kicked a very sad field goal at the end to get it within six yeah yeah uh what were you gonna say the other thing oh i forget i was just talking about max crosby like we have forgotten a little bit about he's gotten lost in the sauce this year yeah because there's been really nothing to pay attention to especially their defense as a whole has been bad and i feel like he he shows up occasionally on these standalone games where everyone's like oh yeah remember the condor yeah absolute monster the this uh game ah man i just i'm excited for it that's all i really have wait I have a question for Hank.
Hank, does the NFL make sense? Yeah, this is a big question. No.
It doesn't. No.
It would make absolutely no sense if the Raiders beat the Chiefs on Black Friday, right? No. But an inter-division game.
I think this might be my the NFL doesn't make sense game. Because Pug just pulled up, remember the first time they played this was the Mahomes, Kermit the Frog.
He said it will be handled when it's handled. But then they didn't.
Well, they beat him, but he didn't cover. Yeah, no, you're right.
You don't get two Kermit the Frog games. But he also said it will be handled when it's handled.
Maybe he meant when they come to Kansas City. He didn't actually say when it would be handled.
He just said it will be handled when it's handled. You think they delayed the handling of it? Well, it's very genius of him because he can just wait until they beat the Raiders by like 30 points and be like, all right, you see that? That's exactly when it was going to get handled.
Handled. Told you it was going to get handled.
I mean, last weekend, playing down to their opponent, Panthers look good. Panthers offense looked good.
Yeah, but that you're doing last weekend, this weekend. Like, Panthers was the NFL doesn't make any sense.
So would you rather have- So you're chasing the NFL doesn't make any sense high. Who do you trust more, Bryce Young or- Bryce Young.
AOC. Bryce Young.
But, okay, the NFL doesn't make any sense. But Bryce Young.
But the NFL doesn't make sense. They were 11 point and the Panthers were in that game.
I feel like that was the game. The NFL doesn't make any sense.
I've talked myself into the Raiders. You can hear me getting stupider and making worse and worse decisions.
Are you saying money line? Because that's all that matters. But the NFL doesn't make sense because if the Chiefs win by 10, it's not like...

Raiders money line.

Okay.

Wow.

Wow.

This also will be our definitive, is Shadour Sanders tweeting after Raiders loss or is

he tweeting after going to church?

Yeah.

Because this game's on a Friday, so we'll find out.

Well, he preemptively did it last week.

Yeah.

So we'll find out.

All right.

Let's do our picks.

Then we'll do hot seat, cool thrown and get to Fred Smoot. Who's up first? This shouldn't count.
It's no sneak. But this actually counts more because there's less to choose from.
I guess. You want it to not count? Who's up first? It would be PFT.
So I'm fine with it not counting. What do you want to do? We count it every year, don't we? No, no, no.
He's saying you should get to go first this time and? No, I guess you're right. You're right.
POT should just go first. I mean, there's only four games, so it is a benefit to go first here.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Okay. I'm going to take the Lions.
Okay. Until further notice.
How do you not take the Raiders after that whole speech? Because I'm taking the money line. That's crazy.
Lions minus 10. No, but just take the Raiders plus 13 if you're going to.
You're taking the money line, but you don't want to free 13 points? I'm diversifying my portfolio. This is illegal.
You have to take the Raiders. You just gave us the speech.
How can I not diversify my – I'm going to bet the Raiders money line on my own. Hank, we're a national football podcast.
National sports podcast. National podcast.
I would feel irresponsible giving out a pick like that to the listeners that tail us every weekend and live and die with our bets. And if you do that, you're an idiot, by the way, because we're awful at game play.
But it's 13 points. Wait, what do you mean you'd feel terrible? I don't want to endorse that publicly and tell people like, hey.
You just did. Yeah, you did.
I'm taking the lines until further notice. But you're betting that money line, but you don't feel confident giving them 13 points.
Correct. But you feel confident in them winning.
I don't feel confident in them winning. I am going to do it because I want the rush of being right about something.
Okay. But that doesn't – you're playing both sides.
Yes. You want rush of being right about something.
Correct. You're not making your official pick.
Correct. So then if the chiefs kill him, yep.
You can be like, Oh, I never said that. No.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. I don't, I don't want there to be any consequences to being wrong.
Okay. How is, how is that a new phenomenon on this podcast? So you're doing a free bet.
I'm doing a free bet. Free roll on the Raiders.
A free bet. Audio free bet.
But I'm taking the Lions until further notice. Yeah, all right.
I'll take the over in Bears-Lions. Over 48 and a half.
I will take the under in Dolphins-Packers under 47. Good pick, Hank.
Thank you. I'm taking the over in Giants-Cowboys 37 and a half.

Although I did that last week, and I was like,

Tommy DeVito can't score, and the Bucs almost did it on their own.

Yeah, but it didn't hit. It's Cooper Rush, yeah.

Tommy DeVito can't score.

Yeah.

So you're right.

Max?

But it was more of a sweat than I was expecting.

Max?

I disagree with PFT.

I will be taking the Chiefs minus 12 and a half. Oh, okay.
I was actually going to take the Chiefs if it came back to me. Yep, yep.
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Hank. My hot seat is me.
Just unfortunate timing. Celtics are in town for the NBA Cup game against the Chicago Bulls, and it's this Friday.
We're the only weeks we're out of town. Damn.
So you're going to miss Coach?

You're not going to be with Coach?

Not going to see Coach. He will be back in December.

Do you expect a text from Coach just to let you know,

hey, I'm in town? No. No, he's probably

busy. He's probably game planning.
I don't think he's

he doesn't need recommendations. I'm sure he's just

kind of like a hotel prep.

Maybe go do some jujitsu. You're going to leave

something for him at the hotel? Maybe, yeah.

I got to find out where they're staying. But yeah, NBA Cup,, it means more.
I'm sad I don't get to see the court in person. Just unfortunate scheduling.
I would like to talk to the schedule makers next year. Yeah, make sure they get that.
How are we doing with our bets on the NBA Cup? Good question. I think you and I are both 5-1.
Oh, wow. So we'll put out put out our if you're listening to this reminder every tuesday we put out all of our bets uh in on all of our socials uh pft and i think are five and one this is we're playing for a free bet ten thousand dollar free bet i think pretty cool so nba cup i love i love the nba cup and i am actually a believer in the in the uh in the courts i like them.
Have you seen the red ones? Yeah, I know. Makes you feel different.
You can't really see. I just like something different because otherwise the NBA Cup was stupid in my mind.
I'm totally a sucker. Admitted sucker.
They're doing color rush. Yeah.
I just like to be able to see the basketball. Nah, that's overrated.
Yeah. Okay.
Cool throne. My cool throne is Biz Nasty.
Oh, yeah. He was my cool throne as well.
Paul Bizonette. Lose or lose PFT.
Or you went first. Yeah, you should have tried to go first.
A report came out that he got in a fight in a restaurant and then when the details of the report came out, he's just like, he's like two men in one. Like, he's so much more manly than anyone I can even, like, all of us combined aren't equivalent to the man that businesses.
Basically, he was at a restaurant that he goes to a lot, sitting by himself, saw a bunch of, like, a group of eight drunk golfers gone out of their mind trying to order a drink and the bartender told him no like you can't drink in this area they were getting mouthy and he just stepped in to try and diffuse the situation and they just started fighting him eight on one and he they were getting physical with the with the manager yeah the guy was assaulting the manager and and paul is like a fucking superhero yeah he he got up he's like i saw that they were unequipped to kind of handle themselves. They were smaller guys.
So nobody's sticking up for these guys. So I said, you know what? I'm going to tell these guys where to stick it.
And then he got up in the dude's face. It was like, stop assaulting the waitstaff or we're going to go outside.
And then one of the dudes punched him from the side. He got booted a couple of times.
He got boot fucked outside the CBS. He's like, I got booted, got back up.
I'm sure he fucked these guys up a little bit. Yeah.
Seven guys. He said that he dropped one of the guys when he got bum-rushed outside.
I can't wait to see the CCTV. And he wants the guys' names.
He wants to take – I think the way he put it was like, I want all their names. I want to take them all out behind the barn one-on-one.
Yeah. Which is awesome.
He said he'd drop all the charges if he could just take these guys one-on-one yeah rough and rowdy he looks great too i mean obviously they really really fucked his nose up pretty badly yeah he's gonna probably need surgery but besides that he not a scratch on his face what did he say can you play the start of the video real quick um he biz is the best we love biz and he's just i mean he is just so manly the fact that seven guys i would just get i'd just get knocked i'd probably die. There's a strategy, too.
He's like, you know, you can't stay still. You got to keep moving backwards because, you know, if they get you on the ground, then you get fucking, what was he calling it? Boot fucked.
Boot fucked. I got boot fucked in the CVS parking lot.
Boot fucked. What do you say? Start it again? What's up, gang? I just wanted to pop by because the news is out there and I'm getting a lot of texts and calls um love you guys uh thank you guys all for reaching out and checking you gave a bunch yeah i just want to kind of address what happened i think it's uh took some gave more so you hear it from my mouth i don't know what's kind of i know there's a few articles that came out and uh news is floating around but uh long of the gist of it and i address the whole thing and talk way more in detail on tomorrow's Spittin' Ships podcast.
Like, it just so happens this happened last night. Today was a recording day.
And to be quite frank, it was kind of nice to hop on with the boys and just have some laughs and kind of forget about it for four hours. So I go to dinner at this place called Houston's.
I go there like three, four times a week. Some of the finest.
The staff's incredible. It's incredible.
And just like good people. And I love going there.
Oh, I thought he said it was a family joint or something. No, he kept saying family restaurant.
Oh, yeah. I mean, it is a chain.
Family restaurant? Yeah. It was a family restaurant.
I actually listened to Spitting Chicklets this morning to hear the full story from Biz. And yeah, he's like, it's a great restaurant.

Very militaristic.

He's the best.

I fucking love him so much.

Yeah.

He's an A1 guy.

He was like, it's an awesome restaurant.

It's like a military.

It's like a military.

It's like going to eat at the military pretty much.

What does that mean?

So he wants the guy's names.

I want the guy's names.

I'm tracking down their names right now.

I'm trying to get the names to Biz. and I can't wait to see what he does.

Yeah.

Because, I mean, Biz is, this is the ultimate good guy move that he pulled.

And it's dangerous what he ended up going through.

Like, if you fight seven guys at once, and you get knocked on the ground,

and they start kicking your head, like, that's some dangerous shit.

He's a badass.

Imagine blacking out in Scottsdale with your boys. I mean, I guess we would never be in situations where you just fucking fight a random guy.
But no, these guys got in a fight, blackout drunk, woke up in jail. And then it was like, yeah, the guy you got in a fight with is biz.
He's asking for your name. He beat your ass.
One with you. He has a national podcast.
Yeah. Global podcast because he's Canadian he's he's a worldwide podcast international podcast and he's coming for your neck like this is just the beginning he is just the one guy like if you're like hey someone at barcel got jumped and he was fine and now wants to fight him also yeah biz yeah and also somehow like just the way he explains things i mean i it's why they're spitting chicklets so popular like wit wit and biz just the way they talk i could just listen to forever yeah just him yeah explaining the whole thing but what is what was the mellow what do you say the the uh restaurant was it's a very militaristic restaurant militaristic organization yeah great organization biz great guy all-time dude i can't wait to see what he does once he finds out who this is the start of his john wick story yeah like you kill john wick's imagine rough and rowdy just a tournament one right after the other one right after the other they should have to do it on the ice yeah it knocks him out yeah you want one rough and rowdy on skates you know so one thing that hank conveniently omitted from his story these are a bunch of golfers yeah a.
A bunch of golfers. Pussies.
No, he did say. Okay.
All right. This is crazy.
Your alerts are a little hot. I'm going to say right now, your alert on Hank is a little too hot.
A little too hot. Crazy.
Just turn it down a little bit. Going through everything Hank says with a fine tooth comb.
A little bit. You're just nitpicking a little bit too much.
You're just choosing narratives and then just spitting them out there. All right.
Your hot seat, Cool Throne. That was your Cool Throne.
So what was your hot seat? My hot seat is Drake. Oh.
Yeah, explain this to me. So Drake's on the hot seat.
You're probably going to screw this up. Drake? Yeah, I had this on my hot seat.
I didn't want to. It was too complicated.
I opted out on this. There's too many conspiracies that go into it.
I read a few headlines, and then I just saw people talking about it online. So this is what believe happened uh drake is suing his own record label yep umg because he's claiming that they artificially inflated the stats on kendrick lamar's not like us this track which was it's the the track that ended the battle this summer just absolutely destroyed him the one certified pedophile yeah that one so drake is suing his own record label because he's claiming that there were like bot views that gave him like millions of views and downloads and listens on his song and he's saying that ended up being bad for his career because now everyone's talked about how great this song was he's not familiar with the streisand effect where now first of all if you call the cops and get like the courts involved because you lost a rap battle that that might be the worst look of all time agreed and then you're only driving more attention to kendrick lamar agreed um who i get the only person that had a worse beef with with kendrick than drake would be father john misty did you see that story no so i I'm not up to date on any of these stories.
I think it's like the last six times Father John Misty has put an album out. Kendrick Lamar has put an album out that same day.
Oh, shit. And Kendrick sneak dropped one.
Who the fuck is Father John Misty? He's very popular. He's a singer-songwriter.
Is he religious? No. Yeah, why is his name Father John Misty? that's just kind of his name okay but no he's very popular so for the last i think six albums that he put out kendrick put out an album on the same day just completely stealing all the shine and then last friday father john misty had an album coming out and then kendrick like very sneakily dropped one that nobody saw coming like a couple hours after father John missed he had like a little bit of time to be like finally I got away from Kendrick and he's just on his ass Kendrick is gonna put it out again but yeah I I think I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this is a bad strategic move on Drake's part yeah I'd agree I don't know I think that's where I I get I was trying to get in the weeds and I was like, this is.

But the more I like to do it, the more I think Drake might like.

He's not going after Kendrick.

He's going after the label.

The UMG tried to say, like, you're not mad at us.

You should be suing Kendrick Lamar.

And he's like, no, I'm coming at you.

It's just like there are skeletons in the closet that they're not trying to.

The headline of Drake suing based on.

Like, I think Drake knows that. And he's like, I'm going to.
I'm going to. People are going to, you know, say I'm being a pussy.
And like, I'm dumb. But I think Drake knows that, and he's like, I'm going to, people are going to say I'm being a pussy and I'm a sore loser, but this is for the greater good, and I'm coming at the label.
You're right, but I'm stupid. I don't know.
I don't understand any of this. All I saw was Drake suing in relation to beef with Kendrick Lamar, and I ended my judgment of the whole thing right there.
Yeah, he's calling.

Like, damn, he called the cops on Kendrick? He called the cops because he got beat in a rap battle too bad. Yeah.
That's what I'm explaining. All right.
My hot seat is anyone who's trying to go after John Fanta on Twitter spaces. I don't know if you guys saw this last night, but Fanta, I think it was a Cincinnati fan, was mad at Fanta for his bias for Xavier over Cincinnati.
Well, if you look over the course of the last several seasons, John Fanta has been saying that Xavier is a better basketball program than Cincinnati. But it happened on the court.
Yeah, all right, play it real quick. This is Fanta in all his glory.
Adam, go. Hey, John, thanks.
Just following up on the Crosstown shootout,

how bad did it hurt to finally rank Cincinnati ahead of your buddy Sean Miller this week?

This guy sucks.

Didn't hurt me one bit, Adam.

I do my job.

Cincinnati's better than Xavier right now.

You've had Xavier ranked ahead of him all season

until this week.

I figured it had to hurt. I know you're buddies with Sean.
I got a job to do, Adam. So Adam, you call me up.
This is when it's over. And you want to tell me it must hurt me to rank somebody over somebody else? I've seen the media bias in Xavier's favor for the last several years.
Yeah, they've been a better program. They've kicked Cincinnati's butt.
They've been a better program by a wide margin. Frankly, Cincinnati, we've been waiting for this version of Cincinnati.
Cincinnati's been their butt's if they kick. You're using the past couple years.
No, no, no, no, no. You're using the past couple years.
That's your argument? Xavier's been better than Cincinnati in every facet. There's a media bias.
I go off score. The scores of the game were Xavier over Cincinnati.
You want to add, tell me about how I feel about stuff. I don't lose sleep over where I rank a team.
I lose sleep over whether I took the trash out on time, whether I picked up the right groceries for my wife, if I'm taking care of her

right now, and the Cleveland Browns.

I didn't lose any sleep over them,

Adam, but I might lose sleep because of you!

Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving, Johnny. Go Browns.

No, you don't get

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That's my favorite. I want to make that

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If I ever get arrested for anything, I want John Fanta representing me in court. Bring that same passion.
He sounds like Matlock. He's the best.
He's just the best. He just brings it to the people.
He's ready to get in the mix with the people. You don't get to salvage a call.
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In studio, it is the man, the myth, the legend, Fred Smoot. Fred? Yeah.
Welcome into the studio. Welcome into the office.
Thank you all for having me, fellas. It's good to be around a whole building of talkers.
Yeah. So now you don't feel like an outsider.
Like, you want to talk about inclusion? This is inclusion at his finest. Yeah, and no one can talk like you so let's talk some ball uh i mean what you are you watching every game are you still tuned into every game are you still like man why haven't you coached by the way no i ain't gonna do it why i was i was blessed with the gift of gal yeah and guess what i do go help i help my his friends.
I train them sometimes. Coaching is a lot of damn

time. Like, you gotta realize, Coach Gibbs,

I remember when

he asked, a lot of people don't understand this.

I actually kind of springboard

Coach Gibbs to coming back to football.

Okay. I was

actually driving home after the season

after Coach Spurrier quit on us.

When Coach Spurrier quit,

the people at ESPN say,

hey, come do an interview right quick.

And I'm just talking outside of my head.

And the last question they asked me,

well, who going to be our coach?

And I was like,

the only person who can save us

is Coach Gibbs.

He happened to be watching ESPN

at that time with his wife.

The only thing Coach said

he didn't want to do

was ask his wife,

can he go coach again

because it's just so much time.

Right.

And she looked him in the face and said, you do want to go coach again. He was like, yeah, I do.
Two days later, he was our head coach. Wow.
Thank you. That's how that happened.
So I could watch Coach Gibbs come in there on a Monday. He don't actually get to see Mitch Gibbs to a Thursday night off Friday.
He spends the night there. Yeah.
And all the coaches I watch and my friends that doing coaching now, I was like, man, can I give football that much more in my life? No, I'd rather talk it. I enjoy talking it because I can get in and out of it.
I can do my studying beforehand and I can spew it out and I can get going back to my life. That's smart.
Yeah, you are very good at it. Could anybody talk shit with you? Was there a receiver that you'd be matched up with give it back? My classmates.
Like, if you look at my class, the 2001 class, I want y'all to go back through this class, draft pick for draft pick. We might have the most dense class in each position.
Quarterbacks, Michael Vick, Drew Brees. Running backs, LaDainian, Thompson.
Like, I can just go on with the running back. We have tons of running backs.
Wide receiver, one of the best talkers of all time, Chad Johnson, Steve Smith. That ain't even getting into the Santana Mosses, the Redsley Wayans.
I'm getting into all them guys. Then we got the Richard Seymours.
We got guys at every position you can think of. It ain't a position we didn't have in that 2001 draft.
That 2001 draft, when it's all said and done, we might have 10 yellow jackets

in that draft. Wow.
So I'm

looking at the list pretty good, but was there so, like

Chad was the guy that on the field he could give it back

to you? And me, Chad, and Steve Smith

was all in junior college at the same time.

With Dion, Branch, Javon Walker,

all of us in junior college at the same time. So

we yapping at each other before we even

own on Saturdays. Once

we get into the Saturday part up, we yapping and then the league comes and all is kind of transforming to who we are. So the junior college thing, I feel like I've never really dove into it, but what was the decision to go to junior college? Was it like you didn't have any offers? And then how does it work where you're in junior college and are there guys that are like, hey, these guys are going somewhere else and then you're playing with guys who are like hey this is the limit yeah how does that all work well to me is i had the academics i had everything but i was about 165 pounds i was skinny and and i did not all my all my college they recruit me they of course they smart they want me to red shirt they want me to put on some pounds they want to protect me and i'm like no i want to.
Like Fred Smoot just sitting on somebody's campus being a regular student ain't going to work for me. I need to play football.
So luckily I had one of the best junior colleges in America down the street from me, Heinz Junior College. By the time I make it there, Grady Jackson, Michael Myers, all these guys leaving, they on a two-peat.
I come there, we three-peat national champions. We whooping everybody around the nation.
So I was like, yeah, I'm going to go here, win me a couple of championships. Then I'm going to Division I because I do not want to stop playing football.
I want to get better game in and game out. And a lot of my draft class, we was all in junior college together.
So that's what's the big thing about junior college. It gives you a chance to do what the other guys can't do.
Because Ole Miss wanted me to come. They were like, come on.
We want you to come on camping. I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
Now, like they say, an eye of mine is the devil's workshop. I'm like, no, Fred Smoot needs reps.
I need to rep. And I need to rep against the best.
That's one thing about junior college. Ain't no age restriction.
You can play against some grown men. So it's a whole different, the belly of the beast.
So I enjoy junior college because't no age restriction ain't no yeah you can play against some grown men yeah right so it's a whole different the belly of the beast so i enjoyed junior college because you taught me lessons man so so you're there for two years well year and a half two years year and a half so but but when you're playing junior college you're obviously always thinking like hey the next step is i want to go to the division one yeah and so after you do a year and a half in division college yeah were the offers flooding in? Oh, yeah, they were flooding in when I was coming out of school.

They just all wanted the same thing for me.

And that's not to play football.

And I wasn't willing to do that.

So now my second chance to get recruited, now I'm getting recruited.

I'm the number one defensive back in junior college.

So now I'm getting recruited by everybody like I was when I came out.

But now they want me to play.

That's awesome.

And luckily, my coach, Jackie Sherrill, one of the greatest college coaches of all time, baby,

he recruited like seven of us from junior college.

We were the top of our positions.

We came to Mississippi State, and for the next two years,

we had the number one defense in college football, giving up, I think, nine points a game.

Right.

So he understood, I need to go get players that's ready to play now, because the thing that can happen to you at junior college is sitting because we play on Fridays. I'm watching football all Saturday.
All I do is watch SEC. So I'm watching Champ Bailey.
I'm watching everybody. And I'm like, I can play with these guys.
Yeah. So you itching to get to play with these guys.
And you know you don't have the time that they got. So once you get there as a junior, like ain't no sitting no bench.
You got to be ready to play now. Right away, yeah.
Did you think about leaving the state or was it always you're going to stay in Mississippi? Oh, no, I was thinking about leaving the state. I almost went to Indiana with Randall Ale.
Randall Ale and his brother was at Indiana with Coach Cam, and he was going to let me play both ways. Well, I was receiving cornerback.
I almost went to West Virginia. They literally had seven pros on their team.
So I was taking trips. At first, I was only taking SEC trips because you know it's SEC against the world where I'm from.
But then after I say I get recruited again, I say I'm going to do what I didn't do the first time and I'm going to give other divisions a chance to recruit me. And that's what I did.
I got to go see some great schools. And by the way, I really love Bloomington, Indiana.
The times that I can remember because it was a blur for the whole weekend. It was great in Bloomington.
Wait, so at what point did you decide you're not going to play both ways? Because we've talked about it obviously all this year, Travis Hunter playing both ways. Yeah.
It's insane. I don't think people understand how hard it is to never come off the field.
It's hard, especially at the rate he's doing it. Yeah.
Usually I was going to do it similar to Champ. I got to play offense at Mississippi State, but it's trick plays.
It's a package. It's not you are a wide receiver and you are a full-time corner because it's just usually, it's just acting too much.
Not too much when it comes to being in shape, but too much mentally. Like imagine this guy, he had to take that whole defensive playbook,

then come around and remember the whole offensive playbook.

That's a lot.

Luckily, he's been a part of Coach Prime's team since he was a freshman.

It makes his crossover to that very easy.

But I think what it takes on the body, the toe, what it takes on you mentally,

most guys can't do it.

And I think when he gets drafted, Trav, they would draft him as a corner. Yeah.
And they will spot play him as a wide receiver because if he gets on a pro team, he can legitimately be your best corner. But he's probably going to be your third best receiver.
Yeah. Yeah, so it's going to be different.
Similar thing, like where they have different packages for him. Yeah, they have a package for you too.
I can see that happening, but also I can see a team saying no because he's skinny like me. Pro and college, two different things.
I don't know if he can take that 17-game pro, happen to check receivers that's 6'5", 230 pounds, and then turn around and catch on DBs like Jalen Ramsey.

I don't know if you can do that.

You also don't want them going across the middle.

Right?

Like taking big hits.

Well, the thing about it is, I can't put you in and don't do stuff.

Like, if I put you at wide receiver, you can't have limitations.

We're going to play.

Because if not, us at the cornerback position, we're going to know he ain't going across

the middle.

I'm just going to play here on my side.

I'm going to pick the ball off.

It's simple mail.

It's got to be nice for

a cornerback to play wide receiver every now and again

because then you get those flags occasionally.

Right? Like, every time you touch a wide

receiver, I feel like cornerback is

the hardest position to play in sports. It gives you

permission to be a diva when you get to

play a little wide receiver. You can do a little crying.

You can go over there and say it ain't

fair what you're doing right there.

And, like, the one thing about receiver,

it's turned into that it position.

Like, every kid on the playground now wants to be a receiver. Back when I was coming up, Deion was so hot.
All us ex-receivers, we wanted to be a cornerback. The cornerback was the glamour position.
But because of college and the NIL and Jamar Chase and all these type of players, it's back to the wide receiver position. It's the it position that everybody wants to play.
Is it true that a cornerback is a wide receiver that can't catch and that's why you got moved? Hey, listen, man. Like they always say, man, a grasshopper will tell a lie to a horse if you let him.
They always say that. They do.
They do in Mississippi. Yeah, yeah.
Receive, D.B.s can catch, because think about it. What's harder to catch? A ball that's meant for you, a ball that's not meant for you.
All right? So for me to go steal this ball, I got to anticipate, jump in front, catch a ball that don't belong to me, steal this ball. That's the one thing about a cornerback.
A cornerback is somebody that you don't take to church with. We're taught to lie.
Lie, This is how we lie to ourselves. You can beat me for 80 yards.
I still turn around and tell you, oh, I'm the shit. It's me.
So I'm lying to myself. I have to lie to myself.
We're taught to cheat. I got to stop you by any means necessary.
Sometimes I'll hold you. Sometimes I won't hold you.
Sometimes I do this. I do that.
And we pay to steal. The more we steal, the more rich I am.
So everything that you do as a cornerback has kind of got this bad boy connotation to it. So you have to mentally be strong to play that position.
Did you ever do the trick where you'd find out what color jersey your opponent was going to wear? And I'm going to wear the same club gloves. So if they wear white jersey, I'm I'm going to wear white gloves.
They wear black jerseys, I'm going to wear black gloves. Yeah, so when I'm holding them, you'll never know it.
See, that's them OG tricks. You know what I mean? You be in the league five, six years before you start to do stuff like that.
Luckily, when I came into my meeting room, imagine walking into this meeting room. As a rookie, I get drafted.
Martin Schottenheim would draft me to the Commanders. Washington, it was Redskins at the time.
I walk into the meeting room. Deion Sanders sitting in there.
Dale Green sitting in there. Champ Bailey sitting in there.
Mark Carrier sitting in there. Sam Shade sitting in there.
I walk right out like, why did you draft me? He's like, boy, go on back in there and learn from them dudes. I had so much.
Like when I say I had just a brain trust. Yeah, that's probably the best defensive back room of all time.
Of all time. Nobody can compare it to that defense.
Come on, I just named three yellow jackets. I just named three yellow jackets and people with auger over these who are the best.
It's crazy what I walked into. Now, you are such a good talker.
Fast talker as well. Did you ever have a moment where you were talking shit on the field and you were talking too fast and the guy was like, I don't even understand what you're saying, Fred.
Oh, lots of times. I think it's the fast talking plus the southern.
The southern talking. So sometimes it can come off as Charlie Brownish to a guy, especially if I'm really emotional about this.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'd have had Reggie Wayne just look at me and say, what?

He was like, I hope that was supposed to get to me

because I haven't understood nothing you said the last six plays.

And I'd be like, all right, I'll tell you when you get back out here.

See, I was one of those talkers.

I wouldn't just talk when the play was going on.

I mean, wasn't going on.

They're like the snap of the ball, jam the guy, now I'm running up the sideline. I'm talking to him as we run.
Like, that's my whole thing. And I'm really just trying to get you to focus on me.
That's how I done won so many battles. It wasn't because I was the better player.
It's because mentally I had you thinking about me instead of doing your damn job. So that's where I win these mental battles at.
And don't let you mess up one time. Now it's been an avalanche.
Yeah. Because you are who I thought you were.
I told you to wear pants out here with pockets in them so you can put your hands in them. You need that to make it with me today.
So I would just drill it on. And if I start before the game, during the game, and after the game, we ain't lose a draw.
Yeah. Now they think you crazy.
Yeah. Now they're like, man, I'm not dealing with you.
Were there any wide receivers that were great shit talkers back? They're like, oh, shit, game on. Me and Chad.
Me and Plex. Me and Steve Smith.
Me and Plexico done had some. I don't think people understand how big Plex is.
Yeah. Plex is basically a power forward in basketball, in the league.
He's huge. All right, so battles with him.

And a lot of people don't – Joey Galloway was a beast,

especially when he was at the Cowboys.

Terry Glenn, those guys. So I didn't have, ooh, fast Freddie Mitchell who came out with me.

And Freddie Mitchell is a idiot.

Fred X, yeah.

Freddie Mitchell.

Let me tell you something.

Class with another one of my classmates. Freddie would go four quarters.
We was rarely up on them because them the Donovan McNabb years with Andy Reid. So they was in their bag.
They was winning. We'll be down like 15.
It'll be like two minutes left in the game. Freddie would come across the middle, catch like a nine-yard ball, and that's his only catch of the game.
And he would just get up and just fast, Freddie, this style. Like, just be quiet, dude.
What are you doing? Like, if the game is over, you're not part of the offense. What are you doing? Every chance I get, Fred, they're going to feel me.
And that's every pro athlete. Like, That's why y'all see a five-yard catch and a wide receiver get up and

give you the first. It's hard to

get those things to happen, so I understand

why people celebrate them. Who's one guy

in the league right now that you'd like

to match up against? You look like you could still play, by the way.

Don't let me prove you. The one thing,

listen, this old truck right here

got a good paint job and a bad motor.

That happens.

I would love to play against a lot of these dudes. I love to play against C.D.
Lamb. I love to play against the ones that come off as arrogant.
Them the ones I want. The quiet ones.
You want to humble them. You won't see me come at them at all.
Like a Devontae Smith that barely says something just goes out there and burn you and go home and watch TV. I'm not going to really say nothing to him but A.J.
Brown. Yeah.
But see, A.J. Brown is from Starkville.
That's where Mississippi State at. That's why him and Forbes got this thing going on because he went to Ole Miss.
I played against D.K. Metcalfe, daddy, Terrence Metcalfe.
He came out of my class with me. Yeah.
Me, him, Deuce McAllister. Like, our all-star team in Mississippi, we played an all-star team from Alabama, high schoolers.
We had 11 pros on our team. For me, Deuce McAllister, Ken Lucas, Metcalf, they had one pro on their team, Jamie Winborn, and they beat us.
Damn. By seven points.
What happened? Our quarterback, Romero Miller, threw an interception. Larry Cash ran it back.
They beat us 7-0.

So you did your job on defense.

We did our job on defense. Shut them out.

But at the end of the day, they just showed you football.

It doesn't matter sometimes.

The best coach team will win most of the time.

Yeah, I would put Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama,

those three states right there in particular.

What is it about those three states that produce so many high-level football players? We're running from something. We're running.
We know we can get out of whatever situation we is by that ball. That ball can show you the world.
I remember one of my youth coaches telling me this. You want to see the world? This ball will show you the world.
You do right by this ball, it'll show you the world. Then you're built in a different way.
When we started playing football, we started playing at four or five years old. We're trying to get out there with the older guy.
They ain't going to quite let you unless you oddly built or something like that. DK probably.
DK was out there. He was probably out there.
He was three years old probably out there. He's huge.
His daddy was huge. Once you earn your stripes there in Mississippi, I think you think you can play anywhere.
Because you're just not – you're not storing as a ninth grader in Mississippi. Like, it's unheard of for a guy to even have that chance to do that.
Just too many greats. Like, think about it.
This is the home of Jerry Rice, Walter Payton, Brett Favre. I want to go yellow jacket for yellow jacket.
Mississippi is up there, baby. We got Hall of Famers from Jackie Slater, Walter Payton.
I can keep going now. We're there when it comes to football.
I know Texas, Florida, California get out of love. But California, you're a whole coastline.
Texas, you can be your own country. Florida, come on.
Y'all huge compared to us. But if you put Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi together, we got just as many as they do.
If that was one state. If that was Alabama, Mississippi, Alabama, yeah.
That would be a great, like we would have, when it comes to sports, we would be right up there with everybody. Yeah.
Louis-A-Bama. Yeah.
But you gotta have some Orleans in there too. You gotta have some Louisiana in there.
Some Cajuns, yeah. So last time we had you on was like five or six years ago.
Twitter got bought by Elon Musk for $44 billion. You invented Twitter.
I did. Nobody believes it, but I did.
Smootsmack.com was the invention of Twitter where people could just go online and talk shit to each other. When you saw $44 billion, you're like, fuck.
That would have been nice. Why am I chasing this brown football when I should have been chasing my intellect? Yeah.
That's why they say never want to be on the team, want to be the team owner. Yeah.
It's a difference. But when you grow up, want to be.
But I say this. We did it.
And it was me and a couple of my classmates. And I was like, man, I just need an avenue to get at these guys because they usually, like, try to talk trash to me after the game.
That ain't good enough. I need to talk trash before the game.
Yeah, you were just basically searching for more trash talk. Yeah, so we went to the Internet.
We started to build it. We built it out.
And I was shocked because they were starting to respond to me. Like, I knew I was going to lash it out, but when they started to respond to me, that's when I think it caught on.
And once it caught on, it was good. And then when I left to go to the league, you know when you leave college behind, you leave everything behind.
And I left it behind and I should have kept it. I should have nurtured that baby.
I should have grew that baby. Instead of Elon Musk out, it would have been Fred Smootsap.
It would have been different. And I would have came here and been like oh I like Barstool, let me buy everything.
Yeah you would have $44 billion. What would you do with $44 billion? First purchase.
Man you know what? The thing we do, we get to see billionaire habits because every team is owned by a billionaire. And you get to see a couple of billionaires and most billionaires they they usually go be villains and be in a uh yacht in the south of france ain't that where villains go to just live and enjoy themselves it's just i think it's a millionaire now you can have what you want but a billionaire you can create what you want it's a different thing like millionaire could go visit an island.
A billionaire could buy the island. So it's a different dynamic to the airness of them both.
I feel like you'd be a man of the people as a billionaire. No, I'm still going to be who I am.
I'm never going to change that. That's why I love the Harris Group and the owners we got now, the commanders, Magic Johnson.
We have the most approachable. Mitchell Rales, the

most approachable billionaires

in the game right now.

You wouldn't even know they're billionaires. They don't

even act like billionaires. And I

had to ask these guys, how did

all y'all become billionaires? Because all of them

from the same little spot in Maryland.

You would think these billionaires would be spread out

but even with Dan, Dan was from

Maryland. I was like, what's going on in Maryland? What are they teaching in elementary that they're not teaching in Mississippi? That you too can be a billionaire.
Yeah. Yeah.
So staying on the commanders, we talked real quick before we sat down and started taping. You didn't want to waste anything off the air.
So you were telling me why I should not be worried about the commanders and should not be worried about Cliff Kingsbury later on in the season. You shouldn't.
We're at the infancy. We're at the start of something great.
Nobody would have thought we'd been 7-4 right now. We got rookies that hadn't had a break since last year before their college year.
For some reason, some idiots put out our bye weekend week, what, 14? Yeah, December bye. That's ridiculous.
These guys just got their first break on a short week on a Thursday night game. You talking about ailing bodies? You talking about hurting? You talking about testing your depth? You talking about texting your coaches, your players, everybody physically, mentally, emotionally? That's what's going on right now.
That's why you see us get to the fourth quarter and they just die. Just ain't got that energy.
Think about this. They ready to crown Pittsburgh Steelers the best team on earth.
They just got out of Northwest Stadium. They just got out of Northwest Stadium.
We're one inch away from Zach Ertz leaning in different ways way. How about this? What I want to say, too.

I'm tired of the old referees.

I want youth.

Yeah.

I want youth.

I want my referees to be able to see for 100 yards and run 800 yards.

I'm tired of the old dirty old men.

I'm tired of it.

Get them out.

Get them out. All right.

We got to get these plays right.

But Philly got out of there by the hair on they chitty chin chin. The whole state of Pennsylvania just got out of Spheedick by the hair on their chinny chin chin.
All right, we're right there. If you're going to tell me that Philadelphia in their Super Bowl wonder right now, Pittsburgh in their Super Bowl wonder, we're right there, and we ain't supposed to be there.
So relax. That juice me up.
I like it. Yeah.
I'm excited. I'm back in now.
I was never

out, but you start to think about

it. Things have looked

different for the last couple weeks. That just tell me

you got spoiled. You got spoiled when we

had them numbers that you knew was going to go down.

You knew he wasn't going to be able to keep that

up at third down. He was 80% on

third. These numbers wasn't

dead by Tom Brady. You knew

they had to come back down at one point. Come on now.
We have to be realistic here. Like I told him now, you can lie to a lot of people in this world, but lying to yourself, that make you ignorant.
The grasshopper horse thing. I've heard that.
People say it all the time. Grasshopper, tell a lie to a horse if you could.
He also, Fred, had a great line because I was guaranteeing something, and he said the only guarantees is your past baby and a future ghost. Yeah.
That's it. That's it.
That's it. Now, in between, that's up to you.
Yeah. What you do.
But we know for a fact we don't remember stuff from being no baby. Yeah.
We just know we used to be one. Yeah.
And we ain't going to remember much about being a ghost. We just know we don't be one one.
Good, bad, or ugly. A difficult question, but I have to ask.
Please. The love boat.
I know we talked about it six years ago, but I saw you did a quote where you're like, I wish people would stop bringing it up because it wasn't even that cool. There's no way that it wasn't that cool.
First of all, let me ask you something. You had a double-sided dildo.
And let me ask you something. Have you, you've been to a Bachelor Porter before? Yeah.
You've been to a Bachelor Porter before. Was it the end-all, be-all? No, but there was fun times.
It was fun times, all right? And guess what? We had the same ingredients y'all had at y'all Bachelor Porter. Yeah, okay.
The only way my Bachelor, it could have been better than y'all's if I had an alien with a flu down and came down, a female alien. I didn't have no female alien at mine.
People try to glow it up, I think, because it was just a lot of millionaires doing this. Yeah.
It was also funny. I mean, a love boat.
That's funny. But guess what? The Vikings been doing this since the early 1700s.
That's true. They've been going to villages doing this for a long time.
We just got into character too much. Yeah, that's right.
And it wasn't nothing but a – you know, every team has its rookie party. And that's basically how they haze us as rookies.
Mine, I had to take my guys to Capitol Grill, the whole defense. They ran the tab up for $20,000.
It hurt me. With this one, they took up money.
We threw a party. That was it.
It only got blew up because we got caught yeah cause someone pissed right someone pissed in the lawn and that's it cause no rules were broken it was a legit bachelor party what do you mean by rules what do you mean by no rules were broken well you know I think a couple rules were like no no they tried to say some rules were broken but at the end of that we all just got charged with disturbing the peace. We paid a $50 fine when it was over with each.
And I'll tell you what, getting charged with disturbing the peace, that's a pretty badass charge. Yeah.
I would love to get charged with it. Well, disturbing the peace on the lake.
Yeah. The lake of Minnetonka, you know.
Ain't but two people been washed in them waters, that's me and Prince. We the only two right there

been washed in the waters of Lake Minnetonka.

But I always said

it was overhyped

because guys

like to come, they say,

oh yeah, Fred, they'll come nudge you.

How was that party?

And I'd be like, what you doing, old dirty

old man? What you trying to do?

But everybody thinks

it was the, I've been to better parties.

I'm sorry. I've been

the And I'd be like, what you doing, old dirty old man? What you trying to do? But everybody thinks it was the, I've been to better parties. I'm sorry.
I've been to better parties, and I'm sure y'all have too. It was just, it was rookies, money getting pushed to the limit.
They going to enjoy themselves. The veterans ain't really sized.
They chilling. Because they saw when they were rookies.
Yeah, but they more of secretive anyway. They ain't doing nothing.
But the rookies, they are out of control. They don't care.
If I had to give you this money, I'm about to enjoy myself. Yeah, right.
If somebody gave me millions of dollars when I turned 20 years old, I would have done some stupider shit than that. That's what I always like to ask people.
Let me take you there, P. 25.
I'll give you 10 million in jail what do you think the one thing that's gonna kind of lead you a scrape it's gonna be your friends yeah uh is it gonna be you trying to do too much fire this go too much uh be in the streets too much or is it what do you think would have been that one vice that had been like i think i would have found new vices oh that's what it is i think i think you give me 10 million dollars when i'm 25 and i'm like i will try anything yeah well why do people look at athletes and be like that's a damn shame i wouldn't did that yeah no it's like 40 years old right i think it i think it's a weird thing where you see uh pro athlete 23 years old and in your head you're like, that guy's older than me. You know what I mean? Because he's mature to you.
They're mature, and they have the money that you can only dream of. So you put – PFT's right.
Like, 23-year-old me, you gave me $10 million, I'd be dead. No, that's most people.
No, that's most people because now it ain't like, imagine this. I always tell people this.
Imagine waking up on just a Saturday and you can go anywhere in the world you want to in your 20s. That mean if I can make it up in my head, I can go there.
I can wake up like, I'm going to Alaska. I'm going to see y'all.
I'm out. Like, nothing's stopping you but you.
Yeah. So whatever you can dream of, you can do it.
So imagine just having one simple thing, having a girlfriend that just liked to be spoiled. She can get up in the morning.
I want to go to Paris. All right, let's go to Paris.
Yeah. But now you're in Paris for four days.
You didn't plan to be there. Now I'm in Monaco for five days.
I ain't plan to do this. It just happens.
I also think it's like when you grow up, that's when you learn to love sports. That's when you watch a lot of sports on TV.
You got your favorite team. You watch these guys.
And you're so ingrained with the idea of watching that when you were a kid. That's how you learn to love the sport.
That even after you age out of and age past the the playing years yeah you still have that somewhere deep inside where you think professional athletes grown men even like compared to me yeah it's like so when i watch seinfeld now right yeah i'm older than the guys on seinfeld which which fucks up my my brain yeah because i grew up being like george costanza's he's like you know a middle-aged man i'll never be years old. Now I'm like six years older than George Costanza was during Seinfeld.
But I still think of them as being adults. Same thing with professional athletes, I think, sometimes.
Yeah. Also, it's just I think some people like to just complain about people that make more money than them.
So they'll see an athlete be like, look at these entitled, spoiled brats. You know, like we didn't work for that our whole life.
And like it wasn't that big old if over there. Because we all won big if from not making it to the league.
Yeah. If we didn't hurt our knee.
If we didn't ball out that game. If I didn't choose this school.
I could have did something just easy as just choosing the wrong school and I don't make it to the league. Coach don't play me.
Coach don't like me. Ooh, just that one simple thing.
But for some reason, when athletes get to the league, people think we run the damn lottery. You know, it takes no energy to win the lottery.
Right. But I've been putting, I've been lifting, running my whole life, knowing it wasn't guaranteed that I was going to make it to the league.
Right, yeah. Well, maybe not lifting.
You're right about that. Yeah.
What happened with the one bench press at the combine? Listen, I told them this. Look, how long my home's off? There you go.
Do you see it? I have the reach of somebody 6'4". If you want me to bench press, it's going to be harder for me to do it.
So I said, you know what? I'm going to do what the guys don't do. Because most corners and receivers do not do the bench.
They don't even get on there. I said, I'm going to give them what they want.
But I'm going to only do it one time. Like I got on that did it one time.
I racked it. I said, you ain't come for no bodybuilders.
Y'all came for Adley. Come on, watch me run.
So we went outside, and all the scouts watched me run and do my drills. I'm like, oh, no.
So you could have done more. Maybe one more.
One more. That's a good way to spit it, though, to be like, I'm only going to do one.
But that's it. I'm not going to tell you that all I can do is two, but I'm only going to do one.
And guess what? One of these scouts and one of the coaches, DB coaches, walked up to me and tapped me on the shoulder after where he said, you know what? I'm shocked you even got under there. DBs don't even get under there.
YRC don't get under there. They tell me a lot.
They tell me you don't care about humility. That just ain't a part of who you is.
I'm like, I don't care nothing about that. Yeah.
Like, it is what it is. They can't beat me playing football.
Right. I don't care about them out benching me.
Y'all don't say he benched 500 pounds after I get a pick. Yeah.
Y'all just say he out here playing football. He good at it.
Yeah, I feel like that doesn't translate at all, especially to cornerback. I mean, you want to know that somebody's strong, right? You want to know that somebody's willing to tackle.
But I don't want you to be so strong that you're stiff. Yeah.
Like, when you see athletes, a guy's walking around Gold's Gym and they walk around there like this, they can't play sports. They're not flexible enough.
They are one big muscle rat, alright? And we even say it when the guys walk in, if we draft the guy and I'd be like, oh, he's too muscular. Like, he ain't gonna be, his flexibility won't allow him to have a longevity in football.
He going to tear muscles every year. Not me.
I could be at the bottom of a pile looking like Gumby, just rubbery, and I'm going to jump right back up. Everybody talk all that about how much I bitch.
How many games did I miss? Yeah, not a lot. No, thank you.
You were a tough motherfucker. Because either you got it or you don't.
Waste won't save you. Yeah.
When you ended up retiring, how – because you seemed like a guy who loved being in the locker room. Locker room was my thing.
Yeah, right. So how long did it take you to mentally, like – Get out of there? Yeah, or like, yeah, you retire.
I know it's a struggle for some guys. It hurt.
It hurt you mentally because now you feel like you by yourself for the first time because them 52 other brothers from 52 other mothers, they ain't with you every day. And think about it.
When you sit in a locker room, all 53 of us got the same problems. Whatever those problems may be, family, not really loving on you no more, just want you for money.
Could be, hey, did all of us choose the wrong woman? You know? Yeah. Like, so we got these same problems that now we're just talking to each other, leaning on each other about.
And now that's gone, and it ain't really gone, because you can still call your brother up. It's just that it don't come full serve to you on the platter.

It's up there every day.

Now you got to reach out for it.

Now you got to reach out to your man.

How you doing?

How you doing, brother?

I'm doing good.

So I think it's more the mental separation.

Think about this.

Being in love with somebody for 30 plus years and she just divorces you cold. That's what football does.
It just quits you. You quit it.
It don't matter. It's being quit.
And I don't think it's everybody low money. Don't get that.
But it's some stuff football can give you that money can't buy you. That crowd walking out there, 100,000 people, imagine this.
Imagine how mentally stimulating it is to have 100,000 people saying your name simultaneously at one time. Smooth in the ground just starting shaking.
You can't buy that with money. All right? The energy that's coming through your body, that becomes addictive.
I want it over. I want y'all to say it over and over and over again.
You can't get that competition of one-upping another man. Did everybody say this is the greatest athlete in the world? I just one-upped him, so no, he not.
He ain't the biggest gladiator. I am.
That's why I say the only thing that could literally beat football is that gladiator sport to me is boxing. Because ain't nothing badass like walking around saying I'm the heavyweight champion of the world.
That's true. I could kick everybody's ass on the planet man on the planet.
On the planet. Yep, yep.

That's the only job I think that could one-up the quarterback position at football. Everybody calling you champ all the time.
That has to be awesome. Not just champ.
Imagine how your girl feel when she walk in and be like, my husband could kick all of you turds. Like, not all of you.
Yeah. All eight billion of you.
Yeah. My husband can beat all eight billion of you if it's somebody not from mars my husband will beat you yeah that's badass that's true uh one of my favorite quotes of all time was i think did you say two-thirds of the water is covered or two-thirds of the earth is covered by water and i cover the rest i said that in college yeah yeah was that true uh most I felt that way.
Is there a guy that you couldn't guard? It is no guy that I couldn't guard. It's some guys that give you more problems.
I would tend because we had got into the tall corners when I started to come out. Well, for a tall corner, your kryptonite is going to be a short receiver.
So if you're checking a guy like Santana Moss, he going to give you hell. You see it now with the big cornerbacks when they go against the smaller receiver, but put them against Calvin Johnson.
He has no problem with Calvin Johnson. It's the guy that he can lose sight of.
So when I said this, I was just feeling myself in my bag. You know, you're in school, you got all this useless knowledge in you.
Let me mix this with a little football and run with it. You know what I'm saying? But I wouldn't say it was no guy.
I'd say Tyrone Calico when I was in college probably gave me the most problems in college. He ended up being a hell of a player, kind of cut short by injuries in Tennessee, but he was a hell of a player.
So I played against some guys, but if I get to play against you more than once, I can solve the problem. Did you guard Calvin Johnson one-on-one? Yes, I did.
What was that like? He's the biggest human being I've ever seen in my life. But I have no problem with tall guys, because I'm not going to lose sight of you.
You can look, I have no problem with T.O., no problem with Randy. You ain't going to see me on they highlight because they ain't burning me.
T.O. was so good.
There was one thing about him, though, whenever he would play against you guys. Yeah.
He was afraid of Sean Taylor. No.
You damn right. Yeah.
Like, come on, because, hey, beast, let me introduce you to another beast. Like, because the one thing about Sean is he's their size, but he's faster than them.
And that's the craziest thing about it. I remember one day we was sitting in the back of the huddle and LeVar Arrington and Sean were talking in the huddle.
And I was like, is it me? They the same damn size. Yeah.
Like, when we got him as a rookie, he was 240, 245. Sometime played at 250.
And he's still the fastest man on the damn field. That's unbelievable.
Like, it's something when the 1%, the top 1%, because once you're in the league, you're part of that top 1%, but then it's the 1% of the 1%. Sean was the 1% of the 1%, meaning he's sticking out amongst the 1%.
You can still be like, mm, he different. Me and Coach Gil would talk about it.
Eh, he different, Coach. Go like, yeah, because we can't control him.
When I say can't control him, he had one speed. We'll be doing walkthroughs.
You know walkthroughs, touching people. We're not shunned, come right down here.
And we're doing ones against ones. Clint Portis get the ball, come right down here, shunned, mow him down.
Coach would be like, come on now. Half speed, no tackling.
Height, mow him down.

And he'd be like, coach, if they put the ball in their hands,

I'm going to mow him down.

He dead serious.

When he comes to practice, he clicks in.

I remember one day, I don't know if he was a little late or what,

this dude comes out there with blue jeans under his football pad. I said something that happened today.
I said it ain't right. And he just started mowing through people.
I'm like, dude, Greg Williams loves this type stuff. So even though Coach Gibbs telling him, lay off, Greg just got this grin on his face, like, let him lose.
And that's what tight play he was. Your teammates is not safe.
We was on defense together playing against Dallas. We beat Dallas.
But I got Jones, the running back, Jones. I got him.
I'm holding him. And Sean just come knock the whole powder down.
He hurts me. He hurts Jones.
I have to go to the hospital because he lacerated my kidney. Jones got a concussion.
And this is the people that was in the pile. So that's friendly fire.
That's all of above. I'm laying in the hospital.
Can't fly back with the team because he lacerated my kidney. So that's what type player like.
The one thing that I just always wish I could have seen him play out the career. Yeah.
Because that last year we were heading to Green Bay. This dude leading the league in interceptions.
Got like 6'7 at this time. He headed for 14 picks this year at the rate he's going.
Then he had slimmed up. He had slimmed up.
He was like 220 pounds. So he ain't faster right now.
I was like, man, because me,

Ed Reed,

all of us talking about it, I was like, dude, this dude keep

going the way he's going. He's going to be the best safety

to ever play the game. And Ed was like,

yeah, man. Like, he is.
So when you got a

guy like Ed Reed agreeing with you on

a situation like that, that tells you

the depth of this player. Because

he had Ed Reed's ball skills exact to the T, but he hit like running a lot. That's the perfect safety.
If God's building a safety, his name is Sean Taylor. All right, well, Fred, this has been awesome.
You're the best. We've got to have you back on again, not wait six years the next time.
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This isn't even a question.

It's just that you did a Reddit AMA a few years ago.

Yeah.

And someone asked, what should I eat when I get home?

And you said, pussy, if possible, my friend, low in calories.

That was just funny.

I just wanted to say it.

No, I did not say that. Yeah, you did that you did no i'm gonna tell you who said that i had a guy that used to do my pr and i let him run your pr guy said pussy he has the foulest smile of all because i i did read it like once or twice but i did our mind visually.
I got on there and did it. And I just let him do it.
And he did that. You got to realize, my mouth is filthy, but my mouth filthy in person.
You will never see me. Like, look at my Twitter.
You see anything written down that's crazy? Like, I don't write things down that's crazy. That was all him.
And I let him have that one. Also, instead of saying eating pussy, you would have said running through the okra patch, right? Thank you! You know I say mine with a little bit more mystery to it.
Now people have to come and ask me what's running through the okra patch. It is what it sounds like.
But other than that, I'm more clean, pure, because I done did the top of the line media, so I know how to say what I need to say and how I need to say it. Yeah.
Grasshopper and a horse. Yeah.
What is that again? What the hell is that again? No, it was a grasshopper tell the truth to a horse. Okay.
You let him, yeah. Oh, man.
Well, Fred, thank you so much, man. We really appreciate it.
Anytime, man. Thank y'all for having me.
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Just go three chi that's number three chi.com all right let's do our weekend preview uh talking some games we'll rip through a few of these because we're obviously taping on tuesday so there hasn't been a ton of new news uh but i wanted to start with the seahawks at the jets Jets Jets plus two and a half over under 41 and a half on DraftKings Sportsbook. Memes, what most recent news have we heard about the Jets this past week? We have hired an outside company to find our GM.
What outside company is that? That'd be the 33rd team. Okay okay what do they do uh they are consultants to the owner to find a proper gm to lead your team are they a media company uh kind of so like hiring barstool sports pretty much but the commanders also just did that ah well they they had an extensive search and they hired uh the but it was one of the executives from the it was led by the it was led by these guys wait mike tannenbaum is that the guy who said that you should trade miles garrett uh to the lions and the lions should give up three first round picks and jameer gibbs he was doing media is that is that the same Mike Tambom that hates Josh Allen

and said he would have never drafted him?

Same guy who has a winning record as a GM as the Jets, with the Jets.

Memes, how old are you again?

29.

People keep making fun of me for that.

Why?

I don't know.

Why do they make fun of you for being 29?

I don't know.

I don't know.

That makes no sense.

It's mean.

Memes doesn't like when people think

that he's that it's a compliment they're like how is he that old i thought he was 22 which pisses me off because i get the opposite yeah well that's um that's weight related max just so you know because i get the opposite uh you think yeah people are like oh you're 50 uh you're 29. So, how old were you in 2008-ish?

2008. Let's do some math.
14, 13, 16. 13.
Okay. All right.
So, my question is, so there was a report that came out that Aaron Rodgers is so injured that he doesn't want to do a scan on his injuries because he doesn't want to be taken off the field uh this report coming from most likely aaron rogers uh when the shit goes down and he's like oh yeah actually you guys don't even understand how injured i am uh memes has this ever happened to the jets before if a player played their injury yeah that actually kind of hurt the team uh not remember. Okay, so you're too young because it has happened before,

and it was a former Packers quarterback named Brett Favre

who tore his bicep and decided to keep playing through the injury

and basically was so bad at the end of his Jets run

that he should have taken himself out, but he didn't.

It's insane.

They started 8-3 that year too, right? Yes, and then he tore his bicep, and he basically was like, I'm going to play through it because I'm Brett Favre, similar to Aaron Rodgers, who obviously didn't start 8-3, but is playing through an injury. They are just living the same life.
Wait, do you think that, you think Aaron Rodgers leaked this news? Probably. Even though the same news was leaked when Brett Favre was the quarterback? What do you mean like that that might be coming from woody johnson yeah true true like he's but he's the one common denominator in all this i think he's it would benefit woody to get the story out there that aaron rogers is being an insubordinate dick and he's injured and he's costing our team games i think it helps aaron rogers though a lot too to be like he's such a stay in this game.
That's that is true. Yeah.
He he's, you guys don't even understand what he's dealing with. Yeah.
So he refuses to get scans. It's Brett Favre.
Brett Favre did that in 2008. He basically, after the season had to get a surgery on his torn right bicep.
And he's like, yeah, it, it kind of affected me. Yeah.
By torn right bicep. Memes, where are you seeing that the commanders hired the 33rd team? Spielman, the other guy that's not Tannenbaum, was part of the search for Adam Peters.
Right. I agree with that.
I just don't think that they hired the 33rd team. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean?

I mean that I don't think that they hired the 33rd team to try to fight.

They might have had Spielman.

They might have had the guy from Golden State Warriors and some other guys.

I just never heard of that, so I was wondering.

Wash, what's going on here?

This is a blog on the 33rd team.

I'm confused on who the 33rd team is. I know who the 33rd team is, but I't really know the jets hired the 33rd team did they not correct yes yeah they hired the organization now i will say that being a coaching and executive search firm is the best job in the world yes it is the best in fact the 33rd team had a blog up i think like two weeks ago saying here's who they should look at hiring if they do fire joe douglas yes so like they had they had blogged it so they've got their own list that's ready to go that they had also helpfully shared with the rest of the league yeah no it's it's i mean it's ernie of coursey it's bill polian all these guys who are basically they just they they get a million dollars to be like hey here's the person you should hire yeah friend you should hire ben john to be the coach.
Yeah. I think the Seahawks, their defense is really good.
And this is basically Gino. Just Gino, stop throwing picks in the end zone.
Gino, you guys can be good. You guys can go to the playoffs.
Just be good, Gino. Gino, revenge game.
Yeah, Gino, revenge game. That's huge.
The Seahawks are the team that is just impossible to figure out. Yeah.
you think they're good they're bad every time you think they're bad they're good it's the entire nfc west with the one of those teams is going to go to the playoff you know that the jets are bad yeah and but the seahawks i but aaron rogers hurt aaron rogers hurt but they had a bye we don't know how hard they had a bye he might have gotten healthy yeah he might have gotten healthy i i don't hate the jets i don't hate the jets this weekend. At least they're not favored anymore.
That was a bye. He might have gotten healthy.
Yeah. He might have gotten healthy.
I don't hate the Jets.

I don't hate the Jets this weekend.

At least they're not favored anymore.

That was a weird stretch where they were always favored.

Very weird.

Memes, do you think that the Jets have a chance?

I think they might.

Nope.

Okay.

Yeah.

I think Kenneth Walker is going to have a day.

Yeah, probably.

Probably.

And a lot of guys are going to quit, and then some guys will be fine for a job for next

year, but the season is over. Yeah.
Oh, wow. I think that was the first time you said that.
Over. Over.
Fully over. All right.
Steelers at Bengals. Bengals minus three over under 47.
I like the Bengals here because the Zach Robinson put – Zach Taylor. Zach Taylor, sorry.
Zach Taylor put ping pong tables back in the Bengals locker room. Yep.
Being a head coach is a never ending cycle of taking the ping pong table out and putting the ping pong table back in. I saw an interesting quote about that and it came from their kicker.
Evan McPherson hasn't had a great season. Nope.
He said he felt the Bengals teams over the past three years have been really close that ping ping pong has played a role in that because players spend time with the teammates they might not otherwise.

It sounds like Evan McPherson, as a kicker, is like,

it's the only way that people hang out with me is if we're playing ping pong.

Can we just get the punters and the kickers to feel like they're part of the football team?

Yeah.

He might not be wrong.

Yeah, no, he's not wrong.

And he's, yeah, Zach Taylor on the ping pong tables returning to the locker room, creates a little energy, gets guys to interact, creates competitiveness. Competitiveness all the time.
You compete from the time you step foot inside those doors. By the way, President Pug is doing a great job on the computer.
Yeah, I love this. He's just pulling shit up for us, something that Max would never do.
You're crushing it. Max is too busy with his ADD just, like, throwing a football to himself.
Got whoa whoa whoa government name what are you doing pug has nice uh delicate little skinny fingers that are able to type much faster yeah he's doing pug max pug's putting you to shame right now i mean sorry i got fat fingers yeah no we had we we might have to Pug sitting in here. Max on the couch.
He does the computer. Max on the couch.
Yep. That would be nice.
Also, Jermaine Pratt guaranteed a win. I don't really know if you can be a Bengals defensive player and guarantee a win.
No, you probably shouldn't do that. The Steelers didn't look awesome against the Browns, but I'm going to chalk all this up to just AFC North games.
Or you could do, well, this is AFC North games.

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

You could do George Pickens.

It was a snow.

It was a snow.

Pickens got in a fight after the game with a defensive back.

At first, I thought he was fighting a fan.

Yeah.

Turns out it was a DB.

The Bengals being favorites, does that make sense?

Yeah.

I think the Steelers are on fraud watch for me. Okay.
Yeah, I do. I mean, their defense is very, very good.
I think they're on fraud watch. Tomlin as an underdog, though.
We always say it. Oh, for sure.
The Steelers absolutely could win this game, but this is a game that if the Bengals get life back in this, I'm putting the Steelers on fraud watch, especially with who the Steelers have the rest of their way. The ping pong table.

They got to play the Ravens again. I think they play the Chiefs.
I think they got to play the Bengals again. Steelers have a very tough schedule down the stretch.
And I don't know, like, who the Steelers have beaten a lot of bad teams in the Ravens, who they always beat. They also lost to the Cowboys.
You know what I mean? Like, I just think if you look at the Steelers, I'm not saying they're frauds. I'm just saying fraud watch.
Did they beat the Chargers? They beat the Chargers when Justin Herbert couldn't walk. Yeah.
He literally had a severely sprained ankle, and I remember watching that game. He couldn't move at all.
He couldn't do, like, play action. Beat the Bron action beat the broncos i think they did beat the broncos that was bo nicks's second start in the nfl so commanders when the commanders were looking decent yeah but i mean raiders giants jets lost the cowboys who could lose the cowboys no one well they had that too yeah they did attack uh i, I don't, I'm not putting the Steelers under frauds.

This is their fraud watch game because the rest of their season is Bengals, Browns again.

Then they have to play the Eagles, Ravens, Chiefs, Bengals.

That's really tough.

If they let the Bengals back in here, because I think the Bengals have a little bit of easier schedules.

If they let the Bengals back in this thing, the Bengals will most likely be playing for something in Week 18. So it's like a double whammy against them.
They're hurting themselves twice. They've got to win this game.
And then they're off the fraud watch. Okay.
Next game, Cardinals and Vikings. Vikings minus 3.5 over under 45.5.
I think the Vikings are going to win this game.

Okay.

Thanks.

Taking notes.

I am.

Again, the Cardinals kind of fall into the same lines of Seahawks with me, which is I'm not really sure how to peg them at all.

Yeah, I can't peg the Cardinals.

I do think that the Vikings are legitimately good football team.

Yes, I do, too.

I think I have a read on the Cardinals ish. And it's if you can run the ball, their offense looks explosive when they can't.

Thank you. ball team yes i do too i i i think i have a read on the cardinals ish and it's if you can run the ball their offense looks explosive when they can't it looks broken i think i said this two months ago vikings can stop the run so that's why i like the vikings vikings can really stop the run right and the vikings the first time they've they've been home in three weeks four weeks they've they've i think played three straight.
No, they played two straight, three straight road games and they've been playing tough games. I think it's going to, I just like the Vikings in this game.
I will say though, that if the Cardinals win this game, I will believe fully in the Cardinals. Oh yeah.
Yeah. This is like Kyler would be locked in if he, if they somehow win this game on the road.

That would be a huge win for them.

Yeah.

But until they do, I just think that the Vikings are very – I believe in Sam Darnold still.

I think he's having a great season.

He's had a couple missteps, but I still think that what we see now is Sam Darnold.

That's who Sam Darnold is now.

Agreed.

I don't think that he's going to suck down the stretch

or turn into a different player.

I think he's legitimately a good quarterback right now.

If the Cardinals can go in and win this game, then I will be like, yeah, Cardinals should win their division. Yeah.
Yeah. Agreed.
Next game, the Tennessee Titans at the Washington Commanders. Commanders minus 5.5, over under 45.5.
You have to win this game, PFT. I know we said it last week.
Must win. But you have to win this game.
Must win and can't lose at the same time. You have to win this game.
It's a double must. How are you and Hank, by the way? I noticed you guys didn't sleep in the same house the last two nights.
No, we haven't been speaking. Yeah.
Memes is legitimately... Memes is the child that if mom and dad disagree over...
They get in a little spat because because they're going driving somewhere and they get lost yeah memes is like oh my god they're getting divorced yeah no we're fighting over the radio i want kindrick on hank is a huge drake fanboy so we're having those arguments in front of memes and uh yeah it's kind of it's kind of awkward memes does think that everyone's breaking up all the time though pft was in the gambling cave yesterday going to every single person saying uh did you see hank the clips of hank well so so what's interesting is they came to me yesterday so um who's that little update people in the gambling cave that happened to be around at the time they came to me because they listened to monday's part of my take and they came up to me they said hank is so full of shit who they're not on trial here I have sources, the walls. All right.
I guess we'll do an unnamed source off. Okay.

So. Hank is so full of shit.
Who? They're not on trial here. I have sources.

The Walls.

All right. I guess we'll do an unnamed source off.
Okay. So the Walls came up to me and they said.
Because I heard what Meme said. What? That you were just walking up trying to find people to.
No, that's not the case. No.
Interesting. No, they came to me and they said, Hank is so full of shit.
I listened to Monday's part of my take, and you were absolutely picking up on Hank trying to, like,

secretly root against you during that game.

And then they said, we can actually find the clips.

And so Hank was showing people his future bet on the commanders,

not making the playoffs and laughing.

Whenever the commanders would do something bad,

the Cowboys would do something good.

You were showing it around, and you were laughing, and they sent me the clips. Is this true? Yeah.
Before you watch the video, Hank, is this true? I showed someone the bed slip, I think, that someone also might have went to JMU, which is an interesting piece of evidence, the jury member that we're talking about here. But I wasn't laughing.

I was not laughing when the commanders did something bad.

I laughed when they missed the extra point the same way I laughed when the Bears missed.

That's just like a trauma laugh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Trauma laugh.

Now.

But like showing someone a bet slip.

Because again, I also showed them the commanders to win the Super Bowl bet slip.

So it's like.

True.

I have the commanders to win the Super Bowl.

If the commanders make the playoffs, I will be commied the fuck out. All right, so do we have the video here? The videos? Pug? Oh, too loud.
Too loud. Too loud.
Too loud. Too loud.
Okay, that's the missed extra point. There's Hank laughing.
Whoa! Where's the laugh? Where's the laugh? Where's the laugh? Where's the laugh? Where's the laugh? Where is the laugh? Start over. Start over.
Where is the laugh? Can you zoom in? Pug, can you make it bigger? I am going. I have my hand for the podcast.
I have my hand over my mouth. And I was going, oh, my God.
Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
We should start at the first one because I think the first one is the one. I jinx Pug doing a great job.
He's all over the place now. I think it might be the other one, Pug, because that's the one where he's showing the bats.
Yeah, the one that's first. Yeah, yeah.
Okay, so here's Hank looking at his phone. And this is after the spin move touchdown, showing Ebo.
Commanders missed the playoff. It wasn't a laugh.
He's just showing. Showing the bet slip and smiling.
Okay, that's not guilty of anything crazy. That's the clip? Yeah, there's more.
I thought the clip would be more damning. There's more.
If he had pointed to you and then throat slashed. Okay.
This is the second clip? Mm-hmm. He thought he's an A-plus receiver, but he doesn't have a quarterback.
Oh, no. No.
That kicker sucked. That was a bad hold.
I don't know. Now, keep in mind.
Hank running and laughing. This is – whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Pause it. Pause it, pug.
Pause it, pug. The laugh laugh there was because before that clip that was when you turned around and told me to suck your dick and fuck you so after that after you said that i was actively rooting against the commanders i was happy they lost after that everything before that was nothing so that smile that i had after they missed extra point was literally after you turned around to me dx sucked in my face and said fuck you hank i didn't suck my dick i didn't dx there was no dxing okay um where the the entire the entire reason that people let's play the third clip because i i'm curious where the smiles and laughs are the entire if you're gonna pull this evidence let's show it and let's show the evidence show after listening to monday's show and told me this was because there was, I Hank can bet however he wants.

I think it's a funny troll bet.

But then Hank try and convince me that he was not rooting against the

commanders.

That's where you're on.

Where is the evidence of me rooting against the commanders?

You just showed evidence that proved nothing that you just said.

Showing the bet slip and then laughing.

And then.

Wait, can we show that again?

Because I don't think that was laughing.

I don't see a laugh.

Clip one, Pug.

Clip one, Pug.

Please show me the laugh here.

Because Ebo laughs.

Patriots scored a touchdown.

I'm looking to him.

Got it.

Need the late card.

Yeah, there's some smirking going on.

So we've downgraded from laughing to smirking Can I say something real quick Sidebar with you PFT Okay I've watched these clips Listen Hank's a piece of shit He's a troll, he's a piece of shit He's a bad guy I think he might be too much in your head right now it's it's a possibility um i think you're you're overthinking hank's existence a little memes is nodding right now well the thing memes i think you don't get to do that i think you i think he might be winning because you spent 48 hours collecting that now see no here's where here's where I'll disagree with you. I have not done any collection.
These are people that are out there in the company that agree with me, that think that Hank... And again, where'd this person go to school? Well, it's multiple people, actually, Hank.
Who else? There were three people yesterday that were telling me about this. It's just convenient you won't name their names.
You're right. like why why are you protecting their identity i'm going to send their i'm going to send clips to you because i've had like a hundred people come up to me and say that i'm in your head and i'm destroying you i've done zero i've done zero sourcing uh these are all people that have come to me and said hank's piece of shit he was rooting against you all game but hank and root however he wants my whole thing is you have no evidence i accurately picked up on hank we have a whole stream and now hank is saying that i did not accurately pick up on that that's my whole thing and if me caring about that is hank being too far in my head then guilty as charged i am i am 100 guilty of hank being in my head again like i i really don't care i know i'm in your head.
I know this is a dub for me. You went on this whole soliloquy on Sunday about how you picked up on these things and you have evidence that was on stream.
The evidence that you just presented proves nothing of what you just said. Well, I didn't have people go back through the entire stream and pull things out.
They just sent... What? No, I didn't.
They just sent these clips to me.

I didn't ask them to go through the entire stream.

Did you ask them to send you the clips?

When they said, we can find the clips,

I said, yes, send them to me.

Max, do you have anything to say?

Max is in his bathroom taking a shit. He's frozen.

Can't see anything.

Just good Wi-Fi there, Max.

Yeah.

Oh, here he is.

Oh, Max?

No, he sucks. You suck, Max.
He's got nothing. I think, yeah, I mean, again, I have your back in the fact that Hank does root against us, and he is a troll, and these are all facts, but he's going to kill you by you.
Like, he's, you all consumed by hank i'm consumed by hank a little bit right but i needed somebody healthy i needed somebody to to take the sting off losing to the cowboys and hank is a great scapegoat to have around um but i'm just saying facts are facts hank was rooting against the commanders was pretending that he wasn't the facts that you're the evidence that you're using to prove those facts just proves nothing. Like, that's where it's like I would actually – this was a court of law.
Like, I'd be even more innocent than I was on Sunday. I probably should have gone – That innocent was – that evidence was horrible.
Okay. Agree or disagree with the cat? The evidence was shown to me – The evidence showed something but not really the full – Like, he wasn't, like, laughing.
He just showed a bet because the game was going a certain way. I have circumstantial evidence.
I did not go back through the footage myself. I think you're going to have to.
No. Then Hank's in my head.
I think I will concede the point to Hank that the evidence is not as compelling as I was told it would be. And we can move on from there.
We're still not going to talk. Yeah, don't talk.
Max, you're back. I'm back.
I'm back. Okay, thoughts? I think I've been in PFT's scenario.
Right, I have too. And there's something about Hank that when you're going through it and you know that he's happy, that it makes you angry.
Yeah, does a good job of it. It's good for the show.
Yeah. Yeah.
And I'm I'm not completely faulting PFT because I've told Hank to suck my dick many a time. Yeah.
For really no reason. Yeah.
Yeah. No, what you're saying, I agree with because I I've been in this.
I've been in PFT's shoes many, many times as well. That's why as an outsider in this spot, it's like there's nothing you can do.
You got to just give it up because he's going to drive you nuts. He's driving me nuts.
Another good way to show you're losing, PFT, is that Big Cat and Max both would love to have evidence that goes against me and call me a piece of shit say, you're right. The fact that they can't and they're tiptoeing around being like, yeah, but just means they know I'm 100% right.
They just really don't want to admit it. I mean, I've been in your shoes many, many times.
I mean, the Wisconsin JMU game when he showed up in all purple. He's like, I just wore purple today.
See, I've been there. That was for work.
That was some point You didn't speak to me that night either I wish I had a point where someone had been like Hey, just give it up Because he's going to destroy you mentally That was bracket butters Because of his existence So yeah A little peek behind the curtain here I'm not actually mad at Hank at all for any of this. Yeah.
But he is driving me insane. Correct.
The fact that he won't admit that he was doing something that he was. That's all I wanted as well.
That's all it boils down to. It's like, Hank is very good at his job.
He's a very good troll. He's doing a great job stirring things up.
And even though his bets go against me, guess what? That's betting. You're going to bet against your friends at some point.

Calm his future.

You're allowed to do that.

But then when it gets down to him denying something that is true,

then I start to be like, I'm going insane.

Hank is driving me.

I need this Thanksgiving break to get away from Hank. Yeah, no, he has a very good ability to just make you insane.

Yeah.

And he's done it to all of us.

You're doing a great job, Hank. Memes, you've had it too where hank's made you go insane again this is where the existence things comes in it's like the patriots playing the jets means yeah no no i don't know i don't think so listen i'm sorry guys i'm i really i mean when when hank just literally says uh we're thinking about hiring someone to to help with your're like, I want to kill you, Hank.
You're trying to fire me. Yeah, well, that's just life-related.
When Hank's doing his job as a good boss. Hank's name and names his phone was Henemy for years.
I didn't know that. That's insane.
That's good to know. That's good shit.
It's henrolled now. All right.
So as it pertains to this game, I'm just going to take Washington. We have to win this game.
And we got to win it decisively. Again, I'm officially concerned about the offense right now.
Here's a thought experiment for Cliff Kingsbury. Close your eyes and imagine Terry McLaurin lining up on the other side of the football occasionally because he only has him line up on one side.
Like 97% of the time, he's never in motion. He's an awesome player.
Let Terry move around a little bit. The Titans do scare me.
Every team scares me now. Yeah.
Right now, if you were to look at the commanders and say, are they a good football team? I think the answer is no. I don't think that they are at all.
So, I mean, we still control our own destiny if we can just manage to beat teams like the Titans and the Saints and the Falcons.

Just got to win this.

And the Cowboys.

All right, let's do rapid fire a couple of these games that are kind of gross.

Colts at Patriots.

Patriots plus three over under 42 and a half.

Anything, Hank?

I think the Colts, this is a game where Anthony Richardson is bad against, like, complex defenses. The Patriots defense is bad.
I think this is where he'll have, like, four touchdowns. Yeah, I kind of agree.
What are your thoughts on Gerard Mayo basically simming football games where he's like, I can't do anything once they're out there on the field? Yeah, that's bad coaching. He's bad with the media.
Yeah, we talked about that on Monday where it's's just like don't say that yeah don't don't that quote makes no sense what was the game was it it's not madden was it football like football coach head football coach yes where you just like do everything except actually soccer game yeah football manager is the one where you like do the transactions get your team prepared during practice and then the game happens and you just just hit sim and you don't get to control anything. That's what Gerard Mayo has been doing.
Yeah, he needs that bad. Yeah, this game, I don't know.
It's gross. It's a gross game.
I think it's a cold. I think Anthony Richardson goes off.
A couple other rapid fire because these are not the best. Bucks at Panthers.

I mean, the Panthers have been playing a lot better.

Maybe they keep this one tight too.

Panthers are plus six over under 46 and a half.

Yeah, so Bryce Young has looked good.

Yep.

I saw people doing cut-ups of the all 22 of Bryce Young throws for good reasons,

which I've never seen before.

They looked like he was actually slinging the ball.

Like he was dropping them in some tight windows. He was decisive with throws i just like the bucks too much yeah i feel like that was a very that was they say that there's no moral victories in the nfl the panthers had a big time moral victory last week yes that was huge they they blew the chiefs out morally yes uh but yeah baker is on a mission right now Baker I like the Bucs Baker

Baker Baker Baker Houston at Jacksonville Jacksonville minus five overrunners 43 and a half I I just had uh Urban Meyer didn't know who Mike Vrabel was that was a crazy story from the Manning cast was that a joke that he always says I don't I don't know if it was a joke but I believe it too if it's a joke I'm gonna start using that line yeah just like people I know very well yeah Who are you?

Who are you on the couch?

Yeah.

But this is a, if Houston wants to get right going through the December stretch and make a push, this is the game they have to do it. Yeah.
Because I can't believe Doug Peterson. How has he not been fired? Did he wake up every morning during the bye week being like, okay, today's the day? Yeah.
In a way, I actually was thinking this is worse than being fired for Doug Peterson. Yeah, this is a way to get back at him.
Where you have to. You go into the work.
You go into your office every morning into work. You tap your key card and you think to yourself, this is the day where my key card doesn't work anymore.
And it works. And you're like, what the fuck? And you have to do that over and over and over again.
At some point, having it not work has got to be so relieving to you because you've been thinking about getting fired for the last probably seven, eight weeks. Yeah, he's just been flinching all week.
He's been flinching. He's been flinching at the door.
And he's like, somehow this is still going on. I would really like to just play golf.
Yeah. Maybe, I mean, with Trevor Lawrence back, maybe the Jaguars do something.
Maybe. They could.
I mean, I don't really believe in the Texans that much either. I don't know.
Yeah, no, I don't either. This is a gross game.
The Texans need to win this game. This is a prove-it game for the Texans.
Take care of business. Chargers at Falcons actually is a pretty good game.
Chargers off a loss. Falcons off a bye where I forgot the Falcons existed.
We did do a great interview with Kirk Cousins coming up. But that is, they were one of those Jaguars and Falcons kind of both.
I just kind of forgot about their existence for a week. Loser leaves town? Loser leaves town.
If the Falcons lose, they can still make it happen. And same with the Chargers.
Yeah. Yeah, no, this is not.
Loser is slightly more for real. Loser got to the town limits and then turned around and went back loser called a realtor yeah loser looked around in another town yeah they're gonna stay put loser uh checked on insurance rates in a new city i do think the chargers offensive line against a weak falcons pass rushes is a mismatch in this game it feels like uh and then ram saints was another one that i had listed that's like this i mean the saints have already left town but rams you have to win this game for the rams there's a lot of back against the wall games this week the saints left town but then they came back yeah they're like a cat you you hated this cat it's shit in the house all the time you drove it outside town limits left it like opened up the door to its crate put it out in the the forest, and then the cat came back.
Yeah. The cat showed up and the Saints, they've looked like a different football team since the Rizzlers taken over.
Yeah, the Rizzy God. Yeah.
He's doing the thing. But, yeah, don't you feel like this is the last stand for the Rams? Yes.
You have to win this game. Yes.
Go win this game. If the Rams don't win this game, then I think your pinky's 100% safe.
Yes. say I would say it's already safe that's why I made it my pinky team all right a couple games that are good games uh the last two Eagles at Ravens Ravens minus three over under 51 I'm gonna say right now this is my if the Eagles win this game they're for real game Max so what does that mean if they lose they're not for real you mean not for real hear me yeah yeah we can hear you They're not for real.
They have to win this game to they're for real game. Max? So what does that mean if they lose? They're not for real.
You mean not for real. Can you hear me? Yeah, yeah, we can hear you.
They're not for real. They have to win this game to be for real.
So losing on the road at Baltimore, like they just have to win every single game to be for real? Yeah, that's why I did that because I've done that a couple weeks and you're like, what the fuck? Why is every single week they have to win this game to be for real? I was trolling you, Max. Nope, nope, nope.
That's me being dumb. That's me being dumb.
That's okay. That's okay.
Do you think you're going to win this game to be for real i was trolling you man nope nope nope that's me being dumb that's me being dumb that's okay that's okay i'll do you think you're gonna win this game the the ravens do stop the run very well are you worried jalen hurts maybe has to win this game oh yeah this is a tough game yeah this is obviously a tough game um i'm not going to overreact one way or the other actually no i will so over will so overreact if they win this game. If they win this game, they're favorites to win the Super Bowl.
But I'm telling myself I will not overreact if they lose this game. It's going to be a close one.
Sirianni hasn't coached too well with decision making in close games. I do think Sirianni is coaching very well right now.
I'm worried about a close game. I think this game might come down to the kickers.
There's two kickers that haven't been great this year that are historically good. I think the kickers are going to be a factor in this game.
That's my take. Okay.
I would say the winner of this game, I would put them firmly as the second most likely team to win the Super Bowl in each conference yes yes no i the eagles win this game i don't know why they wouldn't be just as likely as the lions the lions are better at everything they're that way right now but okay wait a minute you said if the eagles win this game they're second. Yeah, they already are.
But, yeah, I'm with you, Max, in the fact that I know the Lions have been killing teams, and I know the Lions look really good, but I think the Eagles, like, if those two teams play, it will matter a lot where they play because if the Eagles can somehow get the one seed, I think that changes the entire dynamic of the NFC playoffs. But I think that's as evenly matched a game as you can get.
Yeah, I agree. Okay.
We're all on the same page. Except PFT.
He's not on the same page. This will be a fun game to see where everyone's at.
See where the Ravens are at. See where the Eagles are at.
PFT's not on the same page with you in terms of where the Lions are versus the Eagles.

He thinks the Lions are way, way,

way, way, way better. I just think they're the

best team in the NFL. Well, yeah, and then you

just said that they were better at every facet, and then we looked at

the stats, and you were just wrong. I was wrong

about that. That's correct.

More wrong evidence.

So your opinion might not

matter.

I think my opinion matters.

I think that you're being a little disrespectful

of the city of Detroit and everything that

Thank you. your opinion might not matter.
I think my opinion matters. I think that you're being a little disrespectful of the city of Detroit and everything that the Lions have accomplished this season.
They're a historically good football team right now. It's a great story.
I'm rooting for my underdogs up in Detroit and I'm still showing respect to the Eagles. No, it's not.
I don't think you are. And I'm not saying that the Eagles are better than the Lions.
I'm just saying that the Eagles and the Lions

need to be in the same conversation.

They are.

We're literally having that

conversation right now. I think the Lions

are better than the Eagles. But I'm forcing

that conversation. Yeah, I think the Lions

are better than the Eagles right now. I think

the difference between the two teams is

razor thin. I'm fine

with that. I'm fine with that.
But the

other national podcasts around the world

I'm going to go. I'm fine with that.
But the other

national podcasts around the world

are not saying that. They're saying it's the Lions

and then everybody else. And I just

wanted to say that I don't think that's the case.

Yeah, no, I think that... Well, you've got to win

this game to prove it. Listen, especially if

the Eagles get the one seed and Detroit

has to go in the cold to Philadelphia,

I would say that that's about as close to a toss-up game as you can get. Yeah.
Is that good enough for you? Yeah, that's fine. I'll accept that.
Okay. All right.
Hank, you've got to shut the fuck up. You're going to drive me crazy.
You're going to drive me absolutely insane. Can you imagine looking across the Thanksgiving table at Hank? No.
Knowing he's betting against all your Thanksgiving games. Just smiling.
Yeah, just smirking. Alright, last game

and then we'll do our picks and we'll get to

Kirk Cousins. Niners at Bills.
Bills minus

6.5 over under

46.

We're taping this on Tuesday.

This game, you can't handicap

or talk about if you don't know if Brock Purdy's playing or not.

Yeah, we don't know what's going to happen. It's a Bills

route if he's not playing. If it's Brandon

Allen again, yeah, take the Bills for everything. If it's brock purdy probably still also take the bills yeah because i think the 49ers are broken here's a stat uh that i was i read but i didn't fact check so if it's wrong whatever i don't care uh doug mcdermott or sorry sean mcdermott Sean McDermott and Josh Allen are 19-2

in the regular season in December in January regular season games. So they finish the seasons very strong.
Is there any chance? Also might not be true. Wait, are you pulling up something about Daniel Jones right now? Just trying to see if there's a chance he goes to the Niners.
Yeah, because I was going to say that seems like a fit for him, right? It seems like Kyle Shanahan would like a quarterback as a backup like that. It's certainly a lot better than Brandon Allen, but he wants to play for a contender.
I don't know if you can call the 49ers a contender right now. Even with Brock Purdy, would you say the 49ers are a contender? No, I've been on the 49ers are broken for a month now.
Yeah, I haven't seen – even't seen like even in their wins they've played with their food and they're in some of their wins they're just yeah i don't think they're i think they're broken i think they're just having a really bad season from hell where everything's gone wrong and it's it's i don't expect them to flip the switch yeah um was that just that was pug is like 0 for 4 since I complimented him.

It went to his head.

Apologies.

Just playing random noise while we're talking.

Sorry.

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Okay, conviction. T.
Higgins. Jonathan Taylor.
I had a conviction one, but Big Cat made me feel less convicted about it. Oh, no.
Because I was going to say Jamar Chase. I will audible.
No, no, I'll audible. No, no, no.
Jamar Chase is more like. You had the conviction.
You had the conviction. Jamar Chase is more likely to score.
Yeah. Conviction.
Drake London. That's good conviction.
Okay. That's going to be some good odds.
Let's win this one. Let's win this one.
All right. Our picks.
Our picks. So we obviously just did our one pick for Thanksgiving, so we don't know what the records are as we're taping this one but uh so i go first am i going first i will take first up um give me the seahawks minus two and a half okay i will take the steelers bangles underles under 47.
Ravens-Eagles over 51. Max.
I will take the Rams minus three. Wait, who? Yeah, Max gets one pick.
Oh, PFT gets two.

I'm going to take the Saints plus three.

And then I'm going to take the Seahawks-Jets over.

Has that been taken?

No, I don't think so.

Seahawks-Jets over 41.5.

Okay.

Max.

I am going to take the – wait, did you take Seahawks-Jets over? Yeah, I did. Over.
Which one? Over. I will take that under.
Okay, so Max and I are going head-to-head on two picks. Love that.
Love that. Wait, what's – oh, that's big.
I mean, this is everything. This might be the weekend that costs one of us the bachelor party.
Or, given the way we've all picked, you guys will go one-on-one. Yeah, possibly.
I mean, we're really bad. We go 500 or worse.
Okay. Memes.
I'm going primetime Jameis plus five and a half. Love it.
I'm going to go Will Levis and the Titans plus five and a half. Okay.
Has anyone taken the Patriots Colts over? 42 and a half. No, but I like it.
Yeah. Okay.
We just play over games. Okay.
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Okay. Oy, oy, oy.
Oy. Hey.
It's Johnny Salami. Didn't even know we were doing this week.
My stardom. Leftovers.
Leftovers. Good stardom.
Good stardom. You've probably paused the podcast.
You're listening to this on Friday. You got the leftovers in the fridge.

Get up.

Go put some in the microwave.

Get yourself a nice meal.

Good for the whole weekend.

My sit-em is Drake.

Drake.

I don't know what the fuck this guy's doing.

It's a rap battle, and he's going to fucking court, getting lawyers involved.

What a fucking loser. I remember back in my days, people ended up dead over rap battles, not in court.

Yeah. Or locked in Did not in court.
Yeah.

Or locked in Diddy's basement.

Yeah.

What are your thoughts on Diddy?

Bad guy.

Okay.

Killed Biggie.

Bad guy.

Killed Biggie.

Killed a lot of people.

My sleeper is Jonathan Taylor.

Yeah, there you go.

Okay, good sleeper.

He hasn't scored in two weeks.

Nice.

He hasn't scored in two weeks. He's due.
PMT Palais pick. Nice.
Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, there you go.
Okay, good sleeper. He hasn't scored in two weeks.
Nice. He hasn't scored in two weeks.
He's due. PMT Palais pick.
Nice. Jonathan Taylor.
Nice. That's a great pick.
That's a great pick. I love it.
Hey, what's up, fuckheads? This is Sean Stilato. Nice.
What's up, Sean? I definitely knew that we were doing Fantasy Fuck Coors this week. Yep, same with me.
And I'm not stalling before I get to my first one. I'm just saying, for the record, some of us come prepared to this podcast.
Yep. Like me, Sean Stilato.
I'm starting deep frying your turkey. Yeah.
Deep fry that bitch. It's Friday.
It is Friday. Toss that bitch in the oil.
Make sure hey, safety first. Yeah.
Make sure you fry it indoors. Make sure you don't defrost the turkey at all.
And make sure you drop it in all at once. Yeah.
That's the key to having a real great, safe, delicious, juicy, deep fried turkey. Yeah.
My sit-em this week is going to be Drake. Because Drake's a bitch.
Oh, yeah. And Drake doesn't know what he's doing.
And guess what? Now he just made a very, very powerful, powerful enemy out of most of the listening public, and we're going to find out about this Kendrick Lamar song and listen to it even more. What is it, the Braids? And he's going to be going on, Kendrick's going to be at the Super Bowl in Lil Wayne's house, trashing everybody.
Big year for Kendrick Lamar. Yeah.
Love that guy. And then my sleeper this week is going to be Drake London.
That guy's going to catch multiple touchdowns possibly from Kirk Cousins. Good Italian guy, Kirk.
And he's going to be throwing to Drake in the end zone. I'm sleeping Drake and I'm sitting Drake.
Okay, so what's up, guys? It's Anthony Lasagna. I knew we were doing this, too.
I just thought we were doing it, but I didn't prepare anything either. Well, no, I did prepare something.
Oh, what did you prepare? My stardom is rivalry week. Yeah.
Yeah, these two teams don't like each other. They're going to play in rivalries all weekend.
It's going to be sick. Throw out the record book when Texas and Texas A&M get together.
Yeah, my sit-em is gonna be shorts. Why? Thanksgiving's official start of no shorts.
Oh, really? It's cold outside. Summer's over.
Keep your beers outside. Yeah, and my sleeper is Drake Bulldogs, the college basketball team.
They're 6-0. Love that.
They won the Charleston tournament. The good, the bad, the ugly for Drake's this week.
Yeah. Yeah, that's it.
That's all of them. Very cool.
That was Fancy Fuck Boys. Before we get to Kirk Cousins, I have breaking moves.
Breaking moves. Breaking moves.
I just got a text message from Big Dom. Oh.
Yeah. Are you listening, Max? Big Dom texted me.
It was just a picture of the Rizzler. And he said, how are you, bro? Tell Max I have some Eagles gear for him.
Love this kid. He could be my son.
Oh. That's awesome.
Let's go. Love this kid.
He could be my son. Just so you know, it's about the Rizzler, Max.
Oh, it's not about Max? No, that's about the Rizzler, but he has Eagles gear for you. That was the picture of the Rizzler, and then he said, I love this kid, he could be my son.
Yeah. Yeah, but he's got Eagles gear for you.
Yeah. Big Dom's the best.
I'll always take the Eagles gear. I get great compliments on all the Eagles gear that he sends me.
He is the best. He is the best.
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Okay.

All right.

So this is the first question.

This is actually perfect.

First question going from, oh, clap.

Can we run everything?

All right.

So we'll just jump right in.

Kirk Cousins with us, recurring guest.

How was the switch from purple to black?

Because, I mean, like you had to get a whole new wardrobe, right?

Oh, my goodness.

It was a big switch. The wardrobe, you know, I'd love to tell you that was the biggest challenge, but there were a lot of other challenges with switching teams.
But, yes, certainly the wardrobe. I heard a lot of high school friends who said, man, Kirk, I bought the Michigan State stuff.
Then I bought the Washington stuff. Then I bought the Minnesota stuff.
Now I've got to buy Falcon stuff. So I think I've cost my family and family friends a lot of money over the years switching teams.
But yeah, the wardrobe changed. We kind of took a lot of our purple and gold stuff and had to drop it off at my neighbor's house in Minnesota and say, hey, you guys can go through this because we'll keep a few things as mementos, but the rest we don't really have a use for anymore.
Yeah. How did you feel the first time you put on the all black? Like I always think of the Mike Vick era, all black Falcons uniform.
I like the swagger the Falcons have always had. I mean, you mentioned Mike Vick, you mentioned Deion Sanders is another one that comes to mind.
I love our throwbacks we wear with the red helmets. I grew up in the Chicago suburbs.
Barrington is where I would have gone to high school before I moved to Michigan, and we were red and black. And so it kind of takes me back to my childhood growing up in Barrington outside Chicago.
So I love it, and you always look a little better when you're winning and playing well. So that's usually what you got to do.
Yeah, and you're a Blackhawks fan, so you can just cross over like that. It's perfect.
So wait, I want to go back to something because you said you would say that the switch in colors is the hardest part about joining a new team, but it wasn't. What is the hardest part about joining a new team? Because I don't think that's ever kind of crossed my mind.
Players, especially someone who's been in the league for as long as you've been in the league and had a success, to be like, all right, now I've got to kind of not start over, but kind of start over, right? Yeah. So I used to joke with my wife when I was in Minnesota, I would say, I don't know if I'm putting pressure on myself to play well because I want to play well, or if it's because I never want to move again.
Right. Yeah.
Right. Because moving, moving from Washington to Minnesota, it was really difficult to start over, you know, nice to meet you.
I'm Kirk, uh, you know, tell me how to call the plays. Tell me, you know, who my teammates are.
What do they do well? You just, you start over from scratch and you're in, I was in year seven, but I felt like a rookie and it felt like it took a whole season to get to a place where you go, okay, I really have been here. I'm established.
I'm one of the guys that took time,, but now I'm here. And I knew when you change teams, you have to take that on.
So it wasn't a surprise, but there's no easy way to do it. You can't just snap your fingers and make up for the last several years of not being there.
So I worked as hard as I could this offseason to create that. I thought we did a good job, But that's just a big challenge.
And then you have all the off the field stuff of finding a house and moving and living out of boxes for a while. But it's amazing because you see on the ticker, like NBA or Major League Baseball, so-and-so is traded or so-and-so switches teams.
It's just kind of like a simple thing. And the next night you see him in a different jersey, but we all kind of forget all that goes with that yeah in baseball season i always wonder how long it takes them to figure out the new individualized personal handshakes that you have with everybody on the team that would be and you strike me as a guy that would want to say hi to everybody at the facility like every employee try to learn their names their names how do you learn names do you have a trick yeah i wish i had a trick like Michael Scott in the office, but pretty much just try to memorize.
And when I got here, I asked for basically like a yearbook printout of different staff so I could start to try to learn names. But even that, like the NFL staff from when I was in Washington to now, it feels like they've doubled in size.
And so every staff, the strength staff, the training

room, the PR team, it's just so many more people. And that's a good thing, but it's also a lot more people to get to know.
Yeah. How is the Achilles feeling? And do you have any words of wisdom for your Sunday night football broadcasting partner, Mike Tirico? Yeah.
And fellow Michigander. Just Just learn that he tore his Achilles.

Crazy.

But, yeah, maybe learned, just learned that he tore his Achilles crazy, but, uh, yeah, I don't, I, maybe the Achilles were, were torn at the same rate 20 years ago, but it feels like something you hear a lot more about now than we did when I was growing up. But, um, uh, it's coming along.
It's, it's been great. You know, I'm really grateful that, you know, I've been able to play this whole season and was able to go through all the training camp and really much of OTAs.
And so, you know, the injury was a setback. It was a lot of unknowns.
But now looking back, I'm grateful that, you know, it was really more of a bump in the road than a true detour in this football journey. Yeah.
I mean, it's also, I mean, you tore your Achilles on a NFL football field. I feel like most guys our age, we tear our Achilles doing like the dumbest things possible.
I'm very nervous that it's like we play pickup hoops every Friday here. Time bomb.
I'm just waiting for it to happen. Yeah, that's not a good feeling.
When I'm retired, I'm going to play pickup basketball and a lot of tennis. And I kind of worry about my other one.
I don't worry as much about my surgically repaired one because it's pretty locked down.

But the other one I wonder about. So we'll see.
But honestly, I love sports so much and I love playing. It's worth the risk as you guys know.
Yeah. So all right.
So grade this take for us because you're having a great season. The Falcons are at the top of the NFC South right now.
Go back, though, to week one. we thought, okay, Kirk coming back from an Achilles injury

then having to face TJ Watt was probably not the funnest game possible. And I think we said the Monday show that we did, we're like, look, it looked like it was maybe a little too fast just to start, but he'll be fine.
And you could see that as the weeks went on. It's like you got your feet back to you.
You got your mind back to you. Is that fair to say that it was like, holy shit, being out and having a new Achilles that I have to trust in the pocket against TJ Watt is not exactly how I wanted to start the season.
I think you were spot on, but probably less so about the Achilles and more just period. Just being out since the previous year, week eight.
eight, it did feel like, all right, I got to get some rust off. If I had a fully healthy Achilles that never tore and I had been out since week eight the year before, there was still an element of, or that was the element was I got to, you know, this got to get familiar again, wearing a red Jersey in practice, not playing in a preseason game.
It was a big jump to the real deal. And then we played, like you said, a really good defense that has kind of proven all year to be one of the better in the league.
So that was something that I was like, okay, this needs to get back here quickly. And even in Philly the next week, another good defense.
You know, we did okay. We moved the football, but it was really the last drive of the game in the two-minute that started feel like, OK, we're starting to I'm starting to get more comfortable.
And and the NFL season is so much of a roller coaster. You have weeks where you think you figured it out and then you have a week that sets you back and you wonder if you can even gain a yard.
And so it kind of goes the whole gamut. But certainly do feel like, you know, I've worked my way back now.
And that's a good feeling to know that after all we went through last year, tearing it and rehabbing and like okay I'm back now is that's that's encouraging and what you always wanted yeah so talking about the roller coaster how do you how do you stay even keel during a NFL season because from where we sit uh if like the Bears lose a game or pretty much any game I watch I'm like oh that team stinks forever uh and then I just write them up or like a team wins. You're like, that's the best team I've ever seen in my life.
We don't really emotionally stay even keel. So how the hell are you able to do it week in and week out? I wish I could tell you I do it well.
I know what I need to do. Now, whether or not I do it is a different story.
It's hard not to ride the roller coaster. It's hard.
I internalize the losses and you take them hard. And sometimes, like Bill Walsh, I heard he used to take the losses really, really hard, but he did not celebrate the wins in the other direction.
It was sort of like a win got you back to zero and then a loss was like negative 10. And you only kind of live in the negatives are at zero.
And I can relate to that. Like the win never really takes you to plus 10.
You just always feel like, okay, we got the next game and we got to get the next one. And, but the loss is hurt.
And so it does beat you up. It is a roller coaster, but you, you do try to just, okay, one game at a time, stay the course.
Each game counts as its own entity. You kind of tell yourself the same messaging.
And Mike Shanahan told me my rookie year, I think it was, Kyle Shanahan used the phrase a lot too. He would say, tough times don't last, tough people do.
And so I would just always say that to myself. You just got to get back up, get on the horse one more time, choose to be a tough person, and believe that if you do that, you'll last and that the tough time will pass.
And, uh, you know, that's always kind of helped me through the tough losses. Yeah.
Uh, Michael Silver was on our show a few weeks ago and he, he shared a pretty interesting story about your time in DC. Uh, he said that after you got in and you started playing pretty well, uh, as a backup for RG three, but when he would be hurt, you'd fill in, you'd do a great job, that in his exit interview, Mike Shanahan went to Dan Snyder and said, you should make Kirk the starting quarterback of the team, and you should trade Robert because you're never going to get as high a price for Robert, and Kirk's actually the guy that you want to build around moving forward.
Did you get that sense at the time that he was all in on you? Yeah, I don't know the details of those conversations. I know when I was drafted, their message was, we really believe in you.
That's why we kind of picked you in an unconventional manner. But our plan would be to trade you in a few years.
If you can play well in preseason games, you would really help us because then you can become an asset and we can trade you for a draft pick that we can get or whatever. But then as we went, they always were very affirming, encouraging, believed in me.
And that's really continued, you know, even long after they left Washington. I've always kind of viewed Coach Mike Shanahan as a mentor and I'll always reach out to him, you know, to get his input on things.
but yeah someday we'll have to all go back and kind of rehash those years in Washington. But it helps to always have people in your corner.
And I do think that Mike and Kyle and Matt LaFleur and Sean McVay, Mike McDaniel, even Raheem Morris, he was there too. They were all in my corner.
And that really helped me believe in myself. at the time I think you even wonder, am I good enough to play in this league? And when you have them telling you you are, it really helps.
Yeah, that's crazy that you got drafted and they're like, hey, you're an asset and we're not going to play you. And then obviously you end up playing, but that's got to be a weird feeling because you want to play football.
I think it's pro football. I think that's the way it is.
I mean, I remember going to Michigan State and signing your scholarship and feeling like, okay, I'm the quarterback in this recruiting class. I'm going to be the guy to kind of lead this group of freshmen coming in next year.
And two weeks later, Coach D'Antonio calls me and says, hey, change of plans. We're going to take a second quarterback.
His name's Nick Foles. He's going to sign here this weekend.
And you're like, oh, okay. So you realize pretty quickly, like we're all just assets and people are going to do what they need to do to kind of build up their team.
And it may not be in your best interest, but you've got to always just compete and do the best you can. And in that case, it worked out for me and Nick both.
But it was kind of from day one of college football, like, okay, it's a competition and you got to earn your spot every day. And it's kind of been that way now for, I guess, 18 years now.
He gave you those anger issues at Michigan State where you had to go and beat up the entire hockey team. Yeah.
Yeah, oh, my goodness. People don't know these backstories like you do, so you may have to go into detail later.
But, yeah, I wake up one morning. We played Ohio State the night before.
I wake up the next day. I stay with my family in a hotel near campus because they stayed in town after the game.
And I come to find out that it's being reported that I led a fight on campus at the local hockey house. And to this day, I have no idea why my name got brought up as the ringleader, but all my teammates thought it was hilarious because they actually know me.
And they were going to sell t-shirts that said, I party with Kirk Cousins on the the back it would say late nights and hockey fights but uh yeah and so they reported on the news and everything but there was nothing to it and so it died but uh yeah that's pretty good that you would even know that that was like 20 years ago yeah the bad boy reputation yeah don't fuck with kirk has to wait so going back to the going to michigan state and the nick foals uh if you were in today's college football and that happened, would you have transferred? Because I do think that there's a weird, great question. Yeah.
Great question. Yeah.
Cause it's a weird thing that happens now where I think guys might give up a little too quickly and look for somewhere they can start right away. And they don't realize that staying with a program and, and seeing it out is very beneficial in a lot of ways.
So the what ifs I've asked myself are, would I have transferred right away? Potentially missed out on a lot. What if I had had the chance to transfer after my first year starting or my second year starting and just said, you know, hey, I'm going to go to the best opportunity.
It may be Michigan State. It may not.
Like, I don't know. I think you kind of would have missed out on what it means to be a Michigan State Spartan and to kind of have that as your program the rest of your life.
It may have been more lucrative to switch teams, but it's just a totally different world. It's one I didn't live in, and so it's hard for me to put myself there.
Asking yourself those questions makes you realize how different college football is now. I know.
It's crazy. I mean, there's a chance that you go somewhere else and it's the perfect situation for you and that's all well and good.
But there's also the aspect of if you stay at a program for a while, you get that whole network of people that you have to be in touch with for the rest of your life. Well, we started this interview talking about how much I don't like to move.
So maybe I wouldn't have wanted to leave, but no, I remember thinking, okay, once I signed my scholarship at that time, if I transfer, I have to sit out a year. And who knows in a year, what could happen? So I remember feeling like pretty stuck, like, okay, I've, I've got to make this work or plan on sitting out a year.
And what ended up happening was Nick just, it really wasn't that I had beat him out. The competition really hadn't even gotten started yet, but he transferred to Arizona and that's what he had to do.
He had to sit out a year and he was patient and then ended up playing there and ended up getting drafted ahead of me. So, um, you know, it all worked out for everybody, but, uh, yeah, you're just, it was a long, long journey.
Yeah. What kind of car are you driving now, Kirk? I remember you used to have that sick ass minivan.
It was nice. It was a good minivan.
So I still have that conversion van, not that, sorry, not that conversion van. That conversion van is totaled, but I had to double down and I went to the like conversion van, Explorer vans in, in Northwest Indiana.
I went to their like factory and I like went through and I picked out all the specs I want. And so I've got like the full like moonroof.
Oh, hell yes. Like the bucket seats that can swivel, like perfect for like road tripping with your family to big 10 college football games.
So I still have that style of conversion van, but it's not my daily driver. Like it used to be when I was in DC.
So, uh, the daily drivers, Mercedes Benenz, I got a great partnership here with them in Atlanta,

which is a sweet deal when you move here and you realize that playing quarterback for the Falcons,

you get to drive a Mercedes. That was awesome.
That's pretty good. Yeah.
That's pretty good.

They got the sprinters. If you ever are looking to seriously upgrade, get one of those sprinters

with the four rows in it. Trick that thing out.
I feel like that's almost above my brand. I'm more of a true conversion van guy than when you go to like Sprinter van style that's like another altitude.
Yeah I mean you're driving around a Sprinter van you're just expecting like a drunk bachelor party to try to get in at any point like if you stop too long at a red light. I want a conversion van so bad I'm jealous.
They're awesome. I know.
I want it so bad. I tell my wife that I'm going to, we're going to get a conversion van or an RV like later on in life and just drive around America.
And she's like, well, not with me. So I think I'll be the end of our marriage.
But my wife, my wife did not like the concept. And she, she's usually right about everything, but on this one, she'll admit, she's like, you know what? This conversion van is pretty sweet.
You sit high, it's comfortable. The boys always always have entertainment there's plenty of room we can pack a lot we drove it when i when i signed with the falcons like the day i was it was out that i was going to sign with atlanta we were in the van and road tripping to atlanta from michigan so like we even did the conversion van road trip to to come be a falcon that's awesome i love.
So, uh, the, we haven't talked to you since you were on quarterback on Netflix. What is, has it changed at all? I mean, I, I think we, we all watched it and we're like, Kirk Cousins is just like a really awesome dude.
Like that was kind of our takeaway. Like the, you know, it, whatever you think about him and we were watching him, it's like, yeah, he's, you know, he's getting his sweat sweaters from, you know, Kohl's or target.
And like, he's just an awesome dude. So has anything changed that like your, the perception that you feel or even your wife getting recognized? Like, has anything changed from that? Yeah, you said it.
Uh, my wife was kind of the star of the show, um, besides Patrick Mahomes and, uh, uh, she definitely gets recognized a lot more, which is fun. And I think people getting to know me is what's really fun about it, because you don't get a chance for your fans to get to know you just playing for the team.
They know you as a football player, but they don't know you as a person. And I felt like that show, in one way or another, just kind of helped people who have followed me or followed the teams I've played on to get to know me a little better, which was a huge win.
And then also, um, just for posterity sake, like my boys are pretty young. So in 10 years to be able to pull up that show and say, Hey boys, you want to kind of go down memory lane and kind of see some of what dad did in the 2022 football season.
I think that'll be valuable content to so um that's kind of fun too is and a win coming out of it yeah your home movies are on netflix yeah that's pretty cool that's really it's in the cloud i like that i i read that you're a big musical guy and have you had a chance to see wicked yet so you are on it and i just appreciate the research you've done because uh you're you're hitting all the all the main points. Saw Wicked yet? So you are on it.
And I just appreciate the research you've done because

you're hitting all the main points. Saw Wicked last Thursday.
We were on our bye week, got to go,

brought the boys. I had a hard time because I was singing along to all the songs in the movie

theater. I don't think the people around me like that, but I was waiting for my wife to nudge me

and she never really did. So I just kept singing.
But I was in a high school swing choir at my high

Thank you. me like that, but I was waiting for my wife to like nudge me and she never really did.
So I just kept singing. But I was in like a high school swing choir at my high school and we sang the Wicked songs.
So like I learned them without having seen the musical. Then I saw the musical in college.
And so when the movie came out, I had to go. It's awesome, but it's just part one.
I didn't know that. I thought it was the whole story, but it's just part one.
And then the conclusion comes out next year at this time. So a big musical guy, my mom put us in musicals growing up.
We went to a bunch of musicals growing up. Just love it.
You should be in the second one. Yeah.
Like as an extra. So I was trying to get in Happy Gilmore 2, but they were taping in New Jersey during the season, so I couldn't get there.
So it's not a bad idea to try to get in a musical. But my dream is, or not my dream, but like a retirement goal is to be like a background person in like a local musical in my hometown and have like, you know, the people come to the show and be like, is that Cousins in the back there doing a box stuff? I was like, yeah, that's me.
So on my many list of things to do in retirement, it'll be have a small role in a local musical. I love that.
Yeah, it's great. You should get one in Wicked 2, though.
I feel like there's somebody out there that's listening. I feel like your guys' platform is a great springboard to make this happen.
Yeah, we can get this done. You want to get the average dude football fan to go see Wicked 2, put Kirk Cousins in the back of it.
Yeah, we all show up. Yeah.
So how are you liking Atlanta? Things have been going pretty good. Yeah.
What's the one thing that's different about the offense that you're running right now that was like the hardest to adjust to compared to Minnesota? That's a good question. I think Zach Robinson is our play caller.
You know, it's just a different person. I've had nine play callers in 13 years.
And and so that change has always been difficult. But what I've been fortunate to have is nine good play callers.
So aside from the change, I've kind of always been around a guy who knows what he's talking about, knows what he's doing. It's just more about us kind of getting on the same page and meshing our backgrounds.
And so that's partly what's happened with me and Zach is just kind of meshing our backgrounds. And that happens a little bit with the whole team, you know, like saying to Drake London and Darnell Mooney, hey, here's what I've done in the past.
What have you guys done in the past? What are your favorite routes? Here's my favorite routes. Here's what I did with Justin Jefferson.
Do you think you can, you know, get comfortable doing that? And just trying to get on the same page there. And even with the old line coach, you know, hey, do you like this run? Do you like that run? If I get this blitz on this run, do you want me to check to a different run? Or do you want me to leave it on? Like, and sometimes you like the old line coach in Minnesota would say, Hey, check that run, go to a different one.
I then got here in OTAs. I started to check the run and the old line coach is saying, why are you checking it? I like to run this run into that look.
So you realize there's different philosophies and you've kind of got to rewire your brain to learn what these coaches want to do. But it all works, you know, as long as everybody's on the same page and we know what they want.
There's no one way to do it. Yeah.
Should we talk about walking your trap, take over your trap? Absolutely, we should. How do you think that's going right now? Because it was very was very funny the press conference I don't know if everyone was into it on the in the in the tunnel but maybe maybe I read it wrong no no you you actually are very perceptive so I made the mistake I did not um I didn't prep anybody yeah so I just I just sprung it on him so like the front row like I'll never forget Zach forget, Zach Harrison, one of our D linemen, was like all about it, look him in the eye, totally like my hype man.
And then I realized like the guy like five rows back can't even hear what I'm saying. So there was buy-in, but like there wasn't good communication on my part to get the whole team on board.
But like the three guys that could hear me, we really had it going, you know? No, it's good. I remember when I was playing for the Vikings, we always used to bring this boombox out in the tunnel.
I think a lot of teams do that, but they would play that rap sometimes, walk in your trap, take over your trap, if we went to an away game. And so at a press conference, they asked me about the importance of winning on the road.
And that just came to mind. Like, yeah, I mean, you're supposed to walk into someone's trap and take over.
And one thing led to the next. Now, we've actually lost our last two away games.
So we've got some work to do on that front. But it's still a rallying crime.
It doesn't change. Win or lose.
It's still something you've got to do in this league. Yeah, you just got to let everyone know that that's what you're going to be doing in the tunnel.
I got get it. I got to like breathe them beforehand instead of bringing it out of.
Yeah, but you can also use that for home games. Like they're trying to walk into our trap.
Yeah, we can't let them. This is my trap.
Defend our trap. Exactly.
You're exactly right. And yeah, as a guy with a musical background, I probably just assumed everybody's just going to jump into my chant and buy right in.
But some guys some guys didn't grow up doing musicals yeah work to be done yeah how awesome is it to just hand the ball to be john robinson oh i was going to ask that question and just watch what he does the mark the mark of a great running back among other traits is can they make the first guy miss and as i had a high school friend comment recently they said he makes the first guy I miss every time. So it's fun.
I mean, and the thing is, I don't care if it's a pitch, if it's a handoff, if it's a pass. Like, let's just get the ball in his hands.
I used to say this about Dalvin Cook. Let's just get the ball in his hands and good things happen, especially if we can get the ball in space.
So he's having a great year playing at a really high level. and it's it's just more about as defenses are keying on him uh how can we how can we be creative and how can we get the ball in his hand in space so he can go do his thing yeah yeah he's so much fun to watch so fun i people get mad at me because like every monday when we do the recap like i'd say three minutes of the falcons recap is just like i love watching bijon like John, like everything he does.
It just creates some of the moves. He's got great hands.
He's, he could, he could legitimately play wide receiver here in the NFL because he can run routes. He has late hands.
He tracks the ball well, but we found the best way to use him, I think is similar to how the saints have used Camaro, which is he's going to show up in the past game, but we don't need to make him a wide receiver. He's going to have receiving production just as a running back.
And, um, and so, you know, I, I just think he's a big asset and, um, you know, and I, I kind of wonder what his ceiling is, you know, if we can continue to get him more and more productive to where he can really do some special things. He's got that great dead leg where he puts the leg in the ground and then takes it away.
And the guy just sprints past me. How did that even happen? It does not compute.
Oh, you got another question? I was just going to say it's Kirk Cousins' revenge season coming up right now. You've got two revenge games.
I think both away games, right? So you're going at Minnesota. You're going at Washington.
Which is the biggest revenge game for you? Well, I would say that while I'd love to win them, and I said this when I went to Washington in 22, there's just so much gratitude for what they did for me. First of all, they drafted me, Washington.
Second of all, they franchise tagged me twice. They changed my whole life.
And then Minnesota, much the same way, even more so, the way they brought me in free agency, gave me a great contract, gave me great opportunity, gave me great coaches, great players around me for six years. And even when I left, the way that Kwasi handled it, Kevin handled it, ownership, Rob Brzezinski, they just handled it so well.
My agent would get off every call with them and just say, Kirk, the Vikings are just handling it really well. They're being honest.
They're being candid. They're being open.
It's just been a great process. And so, yes, I want to win, but there's just so many people in that building that I care about.
And so revenge probably wouldn't be the word as much as just like, you know, wanting to go walk in their trap, I guess, and play well and do your thing. But man, it's hard for me not to root for everybody there too, you know? Yeah.
I mean, that's the perfect Kirk Cousins answer. It's not a revenge game.
You're too nice of a guy. You're like when somebody sees like a dog they haven't seen in years, and the dog freaks out and is super happy to see him.
That's not revenge. That's you just being Kirk Cousins.
But if you had revenge and hate in your heart for those games, I would actually bet against you because I'd be like, I want Kirk to be Kirk, not to have this giant chip on his shoulder on a fuck-everybody tour.

That would be concerning to me.

Sometimes that Kirk still exists, though. Adam Thielen used to say, we need that dark Kirk, he would say.

We need that Kirk who's like, you like that Kirk.

That guy's still in there.

I don't think you play as long as I've played unless that guy gets out every now gets out every now and then and has some walking around money. Yeah.
When was the last time Dark Kirk came out? I think that's a great question. It's happened this year.
Great question. It's happened multiple times this year.
Bucs game? Yeah, I feel like that was – Yeah, you probably have to ask my teammates a little bit. I've kind of gotten fiery in the locker room pregame a little bit.
So he's shown up, and usually people respond well to it. But you can't force it.
You've got to let it happen. How can we tell as viewers at home when we might be witnessing Dark Kirk? If you see me, if you see the veins in the neck, if you see me pointing my finger, if you see me pointing my finger in someone's chest, if you see the scowl, if you see me pacing, Dark Kirk is starting to rise to the surface.
I love it. I love it.
I'm going to keep an eye out. Yeah.
Sometimes the referee gets it. A lot of times the referee's the target.
So that's another thing to look for uh all right so kirk this has been so much fun we love having you on i have one last question it's a rowback question rhoback.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase qzips polos hoodies joggers shorts rowback.com promo code take i want to go back to one thing you said uh playing hoops when you retire so we have a full gym in our office in chicago yeah yeah so open invite when you do retire what should we expect from your game if you come in and i i would assume you just probably dominate us i'm the high school version of sean livingston okay okay so i am a i'm a tall uh high school point guard who's not, I'm a tall high school point guard. Who's not overly twitchy.
Usually the high school point guard is the quickest guy in the court. I'm way taller than the guy I'm guarding, but I have a great, great floor vision.
Like my ability to pass. I see it.
I see I'm pass ahead. And then I'm great with the one handed pass.
I'm great. Like inbounds plays.
I'm the guy passing it from the sideline or from the baseline and if i'm on the far baseline go deep and i'm launching it all the way down the court um don't really look for my own shot but i'll probably give you six points a game and uh i'm going to communicate well on defense uh you sound like a dream. Yeah, dream to play on pickup hoops.

This is like if you had to say the perfect teammate on pickup hoops,

it's like a guy who passes well and calls out the picks.

Coach, coach, this is the conversation every day in the weight room.

You know, oh, who is our starting five on the Falcons?

Who's our starting five on the Vikings?

For years you hear this, and I'm like, guys,

not everybody can go drop 30 points. So, like, you want me on your starting, because I'm going to distribute, I'm going to bring the ball up the floor.
I'm going to communicate on D I'm going to be your backside help. Like you need that guy.
So, you know, I, I kind of am like the Draymond for the warriors. Like I don't have to, you know, get this, get all the, the, the accolades.
I'll just fill in where I can and still be pretty productive. But, uh, I said London, who's a great basketball player.
I said, what's my NBA comp? And I kind of told him my game. And he goes, Sean Livingston.
So I'm rolling with that. And then before I sign off, guys, I'm a big John Gruden guy.
I go see him every year in Tampa. We watch tape together.
He kind of challenges me, gases me up, tells me what I'm doing well, tells me what I'm not doing well. All the stuff he's done, talking ball with you guys lately, I've just lived that for years with him.
It's so good. I just think it's awesome that he's on board with you guys, and I think he'll provide great content.
He's the best. He's the absolute best.
I don't know if you heard the story, but we watched the Eagles-Commanders game with him live stream.

So we watched the whole game, and then he gets on the plane the next day with Dave to go back to Florida.

And he was like, how did this end up on the internet?

And Dave was like, what do you mean?

And he's like, how'd this end up on the internet?

He didn't realize that we were live streaming the entire game.

And he's so authentic.

He was just him on the live stream. He just had no idea the cameras were on the entire time he's so good it's a perfect fit uh he's gonna provide great content i learn so much from him all the time and there's really no off switch yeah he is one of one when i was a rookie i didn't really know him at all except for doing the gruden qb camp coming out and kyle shanahan was his quality control guy you know way back in the day and Kyle said it's like watching a movie like there's no off there's like but he's not acting like there is no off switch and um it's amazing so I always go down there at every off season because I just feel like man two days with him I'm going to come back excited about football excited to put in the work excited to lead challenged as to how I got how I got to get better, but also pumped up.
And if he does that at all, half of what he's done for me, for the Barstool staff, he's going to be a huge asset. He's been awesome.
He's the best. When you get like a tunnel screen called for you to throw during a game, are you like, man, Coach Gruden would hate this.
He hates it. He hates screens.
Oh, there's all kinds of times where I'm like, like little things that I know I have to do at a high, high level because Coach Gruden's watching. And if I don't do it right, he's going to pull up this tape in March and show me.

Like, one year, I led the league in completion percentage.

I was like, I think it was like 69.7, let's say.

And the first thing we do, I sit down with him in Tampa after the season.

It might have been my first year starting. And he opens up like a black screen PowerPoint with white numbers.
And it just says 30.2. He goes, you know what that is? And I said, no, what is that? He said, that's the percentage of incompletions you had.
He goes, Kirk, he goes, there's like, he said something like there's never been a 75% completion percentage guy in the NFL. He goes, you're the guy to do it.
I'm going to show you all the silly incompletions you had that you have no excuse for, that you could have completed 80% of your passes if you had just completed these easy ones. And we go through this whole clip, just to make me feel bad, of all the passes I missed to Jordan Reed and to Pierre Garçon and to Sean Jackson.
And so it was stuff like that where you're like, heck yeah, I'm going to go back and try to complete 80% of my passes. I've got to be better.
And there's no excuse for missing an open guy. And so he just challenged you, and he's a coach at heart.
And I just love seeing him get back in it and have an impact. Yeah, he's the best.
He's the best. Well, thank you so much, Kirk.
This has been awesome, man. We love having you on.
And if you're ever in town, I don't know if you're allowed to play pickup hoops while you're still playing the NFL, but maybe you could come and coach us. That would work.
I would love it. I would love it.
Someday, Sean Livingston, the high school version of Sean Livingston coming to its town near you. All right.
It's such a perfect comp. I love it.
Thanks, Kirk. Okay, boys, good long show for the people at home Thanksgiving week.
Let's send it off with some numbers. Maybe we'll get it this time.

Memes.

17.

Three.

I'm trying to help you, memes.

I'm going to go 92.

I'll give you 99.

Oh.

Go 94, pug.

Oh, max.

11.

11. 27

Oh I thought that was the number

27

I knew it wasn't but I thought it was

Love you guys Thank you. Thank you.