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Speaker 1 On today's Pardon My Take, we have a lot of football to get to. Week 13, including the Thanksgiving Day games.
The Bears have finally fired a coach.

Speaker 1 We have the Bengals dead.

Speaker 1 The Eagles looking for real for real.

Speaker 1 Commanders back. A lot to get to, and we're going to start with Bass's two minutes.

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Speaker 1 13.

Speaker 1 Some spread. Not gonna get them.
Let us be the last to wish you and your family a very merry Thanksgiving. We start in Cincinnati, where the scoring started when it's Cam Taylor.

Speaker 1 Brittany Bitch ran back an interception for a touchdown, starting what would be a shootout in the AFC North.

Speaker 1 Russell Wilson opened up a can of whoop-ass, hitting Calvin Stone Cold Steve Austin for a touchdown, as well as visiting the Friarmuth Ferry for another score.

Speaker 1 As for the Bengals, a late plain white T. Higginson touchdown wasn't enough, and they're singing, hey there, Lombardi, what's it like in playoff city?

Speaker 1 I'm a thousand miles away, but girl, you look so pretty. Yes, you do.
As Cincinnati's playoff chances are officially DEAD dead.

Speaker 1 Steelers 44, Bengals 38. We go over to Atlanta where Plaid McConkey ran some complicated but interesting winter patterns.

Speaker 1 And Kirk Cousins had some wicked interceptions that were defying gravity, as he should have spent more time in his bi-week engineering scores and less time singing along to them.

Speaker 1 The Chargers' defense had Jim Harbaugh saying, Tarheb's still rocking the khakis with a cuff of the crease. And I'm still on the sidelines rocking clates.
It's the Chargers 17, the Falcons 13.

Speaker 1 Up to Minnesota. Wake up, wake up.
It's the first of the month. As Johnny was able to score to Furious Vikings comeback, Jonathan Gannon Elizabeth said, Nadia to putting the ball in the end zone.

Speaker 1 Instead, choosing for five field goals from Chad. This land is your land.
This land is Ryland.

Speaker 1 And the game came down to Sam Darnold Palmer, who is all man, by the way, finding Karen Jones for the go-ahead touchdown as Cardinals fans left with a disappointing Yelp review. Hello, 9-1-1.

Speaker 1 Yes, we lost a game that we should have won. We need a police officer here right now.
Vikings, 23. Cardinals, 22.
And we head to Foxborough, where Henry Lockwood was on the scene.

Speaker 5 Down to Foxborough, where Anthony Shakari Richardson was smoking the Pats defense, running the ball down the field all day long. But we'll get to that later.

Speaker 5 Jonathan, the tool man, Taylor, caught a TD to give the Colts an early lead, but Draker Mayfield was feeling dangerous, gunning it to Hunter Henry Biden, but couldn't get him apart and into into the end zone.

Speaker 5 He did connect with his dog Austin Booper in the third quarter though to give the pass a lead. This game came all the way down to the wire before Anthony Peyton Pritchardson at the buzzer.

Speaker 1 Bang. Punches in the two-point conversion to give the Colts a 25-24 victory.
Thanks, Hank. Way to work in Peyton Pritchard there.
I noticed that even when you lose, you win.

Speaker 5 Peyton Pritchardson.

Speaker 1 We now head to the happiest member of Pardon Might Take. It's memes

Speaker 1 in the swamp of the Meadowlands. In New York, where Geno Smith finally showed up to play the charity case that is the New York Jets.

Speaker 1 Ric Flair, Kennae, Kwang, woo, shrudded like the nature boy for 99 yards for a Jets touchdown. Jason Mike Myers said, I'll take three, my lord, to bring the Seahawks within two.

Speaker 1 And Leonard Williams.

Speaker 1 Finished old Aaron Yeller Rogers off by shooting him in the head and sacking him dead. Seahawks 26, Jets 21.

Speaker 1 We go to Jacksonville, where Aziz Al-Shair responsible knocked Trevor Lordrence of the Rings into concussion protocol, bringing on the return of the Mac as Jones was forced into the game.

Speaker 1 The Jaguars mounted a furious comeback with Brian Thomas, the tank engine, who looked at his owner and said, I think I can, I think I can. But PJ Stroud tucked him.
Good night, sleep tight.

Speaker 1 Don't let the bed dugs bite. As Peterson is still the coach of the Jaguars, I guess.
Huh? Huh? Huh? Doug Pearson does

Speaker 1 get fired yet? Somehow? The Texans 23. The Jags tag off 20.

Speaker 1 In Carolina, where Bryce Young, dumb, and full of cum doesn't know he's supposed to bust and is instead playing great ball.

Speaker 1 The second-year quarterback was Steely Dan down the stretch as he found Adam Thielen in the years

Speaker 1 for a late touchdown to put the Panthers ahead.

Speaker 1 But it was too much time for Undertaker Mayfield as the Bucs playoff chances popped out of the coffin and reminded everyone you can't kill a dead man as Chase McLaughlin's sanity struck with two field goals late for the win.

Speaker 1 Bucs 26, Panthers 23. We head on now to Baltimore where Max is back.

Speaker 1 We head over to Baltimore where Justin Sucker continues to have a sucky year of sucking as he missed two field goals and an extra point.

Speaker 1 Hey, Mr. DeGreen, Mr.
DeGreen, I just want you to know that

Speaker 1 I think that you're the best ever for laying the boom on Derrick Henry.

Speaker 1 Christopher Nolan Smith Jr. has gone nuclear, has gone nuclear as he recorded another sack while officially becoming death,

Speaker 1 the destroyer of worlds. Eagles 24, Ravens 19.
Thanks, Max. We finished in our nation's capital where the Hennessy Titans looked like they were a little drunk and bottled up.

Speaker 1 Brian Swiss Family Robinson was very hard for the Titans D to read, but the film will be easier to understand.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, Will Lettis didn't wilt down, mostly because he was kept in a lot of airtight sacks.

Speaker 1 Jaden Manhattan Daniels made this a laugher for the ROM commanders, disappearing behind his lineman like Skinny from the block, running up the score, leading some to accuse Dan Quinjamin Netanyahu of really overdoing it with a bunch of weapons weapons provided to him by Washington.

Speaker 1 The Commanders 42! The Titans 19!

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Speaker 1 Okay, week 13 in the books.

Speaker 1 What a week of football.

Speaker 4 What a week of football.

Speaker 1 It was crazy.

Speaker 4 We've had football since Thursday morning.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, including Max. Obviously, Maxion.
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 Thanksgiving week goes exactly the same every year, where somewhere around like Saturday afternoon, my body starts to like be like, you can't just do this every single day where all you do is eat leftovers and watch football from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to sleep.

Speaker 4 Well, what's awesome about Saturdays, you get second Saturday. Yeah.
Because Friday is basically Saturday on Thanksgiving week. And then you wake up and you get to redo Saturday all over again.

Speaker 4 Correct.

Speaker 1 So it feels like forever ago, but we are going to talk about the Thanksgiving Day games.

Speaker 1 This was actually the, I was very close to texting the boys on Thanksgiving, being like, should we do an emergency pod? Because Lions 23, Bears 20. What a game that was.
It was everything.

Speaker 4 It was something.

Speaker 1 It was literally every Bears game in one where it was a nationally televised game with the Bears looking as bad as possible in the first half, just being a joke of a team in front of the entire country.

Speaker 1 Then Caleb Williams playing phenomenal football in the second half, having them come all the way back, and then losing in, they have invented new ways to lose, they have lost six in a row, I believe, now.

Speaker 1 The Hail Mary, two games where they quit, a block field goal against your rival, an overtime loss, and then the timeout game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's insane. It's actually, I was thinking about this because it's a sick thing that the Bears do to you.
I'm not talking about figuring out new ways to lose games.

Speaker 4 That's actually very mentally stimulating. It's creative, and I applaud them for that.

Speaker 4 But what they do is they play so shitty and get their teeth kicked in the first half of games, and then people tune out. Right.

Speaker 4 And then they don't see the Bears come back, and then they look up when somebody tells them, hey, the Bears actually just made this a football game. You should probably watch the end of it.

Speaker 4 And then you get to see the Bears lose at the very end. So they get all the dog shit from the Bears.
And a lot of people miss out on any of the good stuff that ever happens.

Speaker 1 But this, Thanksgiving, everyone stays watching. And they watched the whole thing, and it was just an epic failure

Speaker 1 in the ending.

Speaker 4 But God bless the broken road that led us to Matt Eberflues being fired for the first time in 100 years for the Chicago Bears. Yes.

Speaker 4 You've had the necklace removed from your neck.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it was obvious that it had to happen

Speaker 1 because there's never been a worse coach in close games than Matt Eberflus. Like, I think that statistically actually is proven true.

Speaker 1 The timeout is...

Speaker 1 So obviously, Caleb deserves some blame for it.

Speaker 1 But in hearing everything, basically, and I talked to some guys, like I talked to our good friend Kyle Long, and I was like, tell me straight, like, what happens here?

Speaker 1 He's like, look, it's probably 50-50 Caleb Matt Eberflus, but the second there's any hesitation, it's like 80-20 Matt Eberflus Caleb, where it's the second there's hesitation, the coach, his job is to hit a timeout there and be like, whoa, shit's getting out of control.

Speaker 1 We got to hit a timeout and reset. And Matt Eberflus, talking after the game, basically didn't take any ownership and said, well, this is how we wanted to set it up.

Speaker 1 And in explaining how he wanted to set it up, he literally explained that if you had called a timeout with 30 seconds left, you would have set up exactly what you wanted to do, which is get another five, ten yards, clock the ball.

Speaker 1 If you don't get a first down, you can with 30 seconds, you can rush everyone out. If you do, you clock the ball, you kick a field goal, try to go to overtime.

Speaker 4 He also acted like it would be impossible to throw the ball to somebody and then get out of bounds.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he was like, Well, we wanted to keep that timeout because we wanted to have a timeout for a field goal unit, the operation to get on the field.

Speaker 4 Acting like it would be impossible to get out of bounds or throw an incomplete pass.

Speaker 1 The whole thing was just a perfect encapsulation of Matt Iberflues being one of the worst crunch time coaches possible.

Speaker 1 So I knew, I said it on Wednesday's show.

Speaker 1 I was like, this is, and I was actually like, I do my hit with Waddle and Sylvie every Wednesday, and I said to him, I was like, you know, this is the last day that we're going to have to watch a Matt Eberflues coach team.

Speaker 1 And they're like, no way, no way. I was like, no, I seriously, I didn't think it was going to go down this way, but I thought he was going to get fired on Friday morning.

Speaker 1 And then to add just the perfect cherry on top, the Bears even fucked up his firing, where I know how the Bears operate. What happened is this.

Speaker 1 On Wednesday or Thursday, it's Thanksgiving, it's a holiday,

Speaker 1 the Bears have that terrible, terrible loss. You could read the T leaves in the locker room.

Speaker 1 Like Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles were sticking around in the locker room extra long, talking to players, all this stuff.

Speaker 1 Ryan Poles and

Speaker 1 Kevin Warren can't make a decision without George McCasky. George McCasky probably was like, it's Thanksgiving.
Don't call me.

Speaker 1 So they weren't able to talk to George McCasky about firing Matt Matt Eberflus until Friday morning. Matt Eberfluus had his scheduled 9 a.m.
press conference.

Speaker 1 They were doing the meeting talking about firing him while he was doing the press conference. He gets out of the press conference like, oh, yeah, by the way, you're fired.

Speaker 1 That's just how dysfunctional this team and this organization is, that they couldn't reach probably the owner on Thanksgiving to be like, hey, just so you know, we got to fire this guy.

Speaker 1 He's a fucking moron.

Speaker 4 And in the press conference, Eberflus was asked, I think, three or four times, like, hey, are you fired yet? Yeah. Do you think you're going to be fired? That's all they kept asking him over and over.

Speaker 4 He's like, well, we do our normal operation. He calls everything an operation, by the way.

Speaker 4 We do everything, you know, according to the standard procedure, which is we talk right after the game, and then we're going to talk the next day.

Speaker 4 And yeah, as he's having that press conference, he's being fired. Yep.
He doesn't know about it. Then he goes, he gets fired.

Speaker 4 Do you think in a weird way that this was like a job interview? Like the Bears were interviewing for Ben Johnson

Speaker 4 during the game. During the game.
He's like, do we look enticing enough for you, Ben, to want to come coach us next season?

Speaker 1 Here's the thing. I want Ben Johnson.
I also

Speaker 1 want to say this because

Speaker 1 I'm going to get optimistic about whoever the Bears hire, even though they'll probably end up with like the fourth option. I want Ben Johnson or Mike Vrabel.

Speaker 1 The one thing with Ben Johnson, and I think he's a very good play caller, do you get his offensive line too? Because a lot of his play calls are good because he has an offensive line that is elite.

Speaker 1 And it takes a little bit longer to develop. And I think Ben Johnson would be good no matter what.

Speaker 1 But then again, the Bears organization will probably ruin anyone anyone because at the end of the day, it's the McCaskys. And it's Virginia McCasky, who is very, very old, but she put her dumb

Speaker 1 son in charge, who says that he's not a football guy, who in the

Speaker 1 I think he took over in like 2011. They have been to the playoffs twice in the 14 years.
They've won zero playoff games. They've fired five head coaches.
They fired three GMs.

Speaker 1 They fired three offensive coordinators.

Speaker 1 They have been 93 and 130.

Speaker 1 No matter what they do, George McCasky and the McCasky family still runs his team, and they are a joke, and they are terrible owners. And I don't know.

Speaker 1 He does the worst thing where he doesn't want to, he says he doesn't want to meddle, but then he also needs to probably be consulted to fire a head coach. It's like, dude, that's meddling.

Speaker 1 And he also puts Kevin Warren, who was supposed to build a stadium, in charge of now the head coach because Ryan Poles is safe, but Kevin Warren is, I don't know if you saw that rap port was like, Ryan Poles will be helping Kevin Warren in search of the new head coach.

Speaker 1 Kevin Warren hates football. Yeah, if I'm doofus.

Speaker 4 Listen, if you're not a football guy and you're in charge of a football team, you should probably try to find a different job.

Speaker 4 I'm sure you can find a different, I'm sure that there's a number of foundations around Chicago that would like a McCasky to be in charge of them.

Speaker 1 It's a joke, man. It's a joke.

Speaker 4 You should become a football guy once you become the head of a football office.

Speaker 1 You would think the family business.

Speaker 1 The family business, your grandfather started, basically started the NFL, the family business, and you're like, yeah, I'm actually not a big football fan.

Speaker 1 Well, no, he does say he's a big football fan. He just says he doesn't know football.

Speaker 4 So you should learn football, though.

Speaker 1 Yes, you had a lot of time.

Speaker 4 You should learn to love football. If you're growing up and you're watching the 85 Bears, you should become obsessed with football.

Speaker 4 Normal children would become...

Speaker 4 I question their parenting now. Yeah.
For not getting their children and their grandchildren into football to the point where they become football guys.

Speaker 1 But he's been running the show for 14 years and it's been an absolute failure.

Speaker 1 And so I don't think anything is going to, I'm going to be, again, I will be optimistic because I'm optimistic by nature whenever they announce the new head coach.

Speaker 1 And I will say, just because I have to be fair, good job firing the head coach when it was clear he needed to be fired because you were going to, like, Brisker, I don't know if you guys saw, but he hated Matty Briflus.

Speaker 1 He's just been sub-tweeting him. Caleb Williams is good.
And I know that people will, there's a lot of people who box score watch or they've only seen him in primetime games.

Speaker 1 Caleb Williams is very, very good. He's on pace for 3,700 yards, 20-plus touchdowns, and less than 10 interceptions.

Speaker 1 The only other rookies to do it, I would assume Jaden Dale is going to do it, maybe Bo Nicks, but the only other two rookies to do those numbers are Justin Herbert and C.J. Stroud.

Speaker 1 And he's been going, and he's had,

Speaker 1 he's going to be on his third offensive coordinator in one season and his second head coach because Thomas Brown is now interim, so I would assume he's not going to be calling all the plays.

Speaker 1 It's insane how good Caleb Williams has been, given how bad the coaching has been and what they've done in terms of coaching to stunt his growth.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so looking at Thomas Brown, the interim head coach, I don't know much about the guy, but just off the measurable.

Speaker 1 Running back coach for the Badgers when they ran all over Will Compton. Sorry, Will Compton.

Speaker 4 Right. So here's what I like about his measurables.
He is 5'8 and 203 pounds.

Speaker 4 Stout, stout man. He was at one point the strength and conditioning coach for the University of Georgia.
I like these credentials as an interim head coach.

Speaker 1 McVay Tree.

Speaker 4 McVay Tree. And by the way, I want to stick up for you real quick, Big Cat.

Speaker 4 A lot of people out there, because I get tagged in a lot of them, are doing some very mean Photoshops.

Speaker 4 And I would like to put a list of names in a please do not photoshop this coach as head coach of the Bears.

Speaker 4 Ryan Day.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Please stop with Ryan Day Photoshops. Cliff Kingsbury.
Cliff Kingsbury. Good offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 Please do not put him on Photoshops.

Speaker 4 Good offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 Ron Rivera. Please do not put him on.
Please stop. Like him.
Nice guy.

Speaker 4 Don't put him on. Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 1 Don't put him on.

Speaker 1 Mike McCarthy saved his job.

Speaker 4 Mike Malarkey. He's already been offering the job.
Mike Malarkey. He's been offered the job, according to Ian Rapid.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 Hugh Jackson.

Speaker 1 Do not put his list. Please stop, please.

Speaker 1 Do not Photoshop these.

Speaker 4 How do we feel about Rex Ryan?

Speaker 1 Do not Photoshop those.

Speaker 4 That's on the do not Photoshop list. Okay, that's all I had on my list.
But it's most importantly, No Ryan Day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Stop doing that.

Speaker 1 I mean, all in all, it was just a chaotic 24 hours on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 It was, it, it, it put me in a tailspin for the second half of Thanksgiving Day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what was, what were you, where were you watching and how did that

Speaker 5 rest of Thanksgiving dinner and the kids?

Speaker 1 the kids were uh kind of all over me during the uh game so I had to remove myself uh and watch in my bedroom and then scream at the TV and then yeah I was I was not

Speaker 1 I wasn't a joy to be around I would say I wasn't a joy to be around but in a way it's like this is so bad that they have to do something Yeah, no, I was a joy to be around on Friday.

Speaker 1 Friday was until the Badgers lost. By the way, fun fact,

Speaker 1 people are like, hey, you're so negative. Hey, why are you in such a bad mood?

Speaker 1 Now that the month of November is gone, I did not win a football game in the month of November between the Wisconsin Badgers and the Chicago Bears. I think I went 0-9.

Speaker 4 That's really hard to do. It's a bad month.

Speaker 1 That's really, really hard to do. And I lost in really bad ways.
Like, left and right, everything, everything, every way I lost, I basically picked. If you had to write, how can you lose a game?

Speaker 1 I checked every single box.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's a pretty incredible run. You went on to do it.

Speaker 1 It's really, really bad. So, yeah,

Speaker 1 it was a tough, it was tough, Hank. Thankfully, I had the Cowboys, so that, that, that bounced me back a little.
But yeah, Thanksgiving, listen, Thanksgiving, people are like, oh, it's so, it's fun.

Speaker 1 It's about family. It's something.
No, it's about trying to win bets and not have your team lose. And I just wish we wouldn't play on Thanksgiving because I knew, I knew it was going to be bad.

Speaker 1 I didn't think it was going to be that bad. I mean,

Speaker 4 you guys were watching.

Speaker 1 It's a bad game. When the timeout happened, where you just, I was just sitting there like, how is this happening?

Speaker 1 It was just watching, it was watching a car crash, but it wasn't even watching a car crash because it was watching a car crash, but you could like stop time and be like, hey, dude, don't crash that car.

Speaker 1 Like, you have a timeout.

Speaker 5 Surely they're not going to throw, but then, but then after not calling the timeout, I was yelling at the TV being like, what are they doing? What are they doing?

Speaker 5 And then it was like, surely they're not going to drop back and throw a deep pass.

Speaker 1 Well, then, yeah, then Caleb had to panic. And like, it was guys were coming back slow.
Then Caleb screwed up. Then Matty, again, Mattyberflus.

Speaker 1 I do think Caleb fucked up, and that's a learning experience. He's a rookie.

Speaker 1 The head coach's job is to call a timeout and be like, hey, guys, let's stop. Let's fucking figure this out.
The look on Matt. That's literally his job.

Speaker 4 Too, like, right after that play was over, and he knew that he fucked up. And he just did, no, no muscle on his face moved.
He just stared off into the distance, like, well, that's probably it for me.

Speaker 4 Yeah. He might as well have a blindfold and a cigarette in his mouth on that one.
Yeah. It was, yeah.

Speaker 4 I think everybody, including Lions fans, were probably yelling at the TV, What are you doing, Matt Iberflues?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was crazy. It was nuts.

Speaker 1 What, Max, are you going to say something? I just laughed. Yeah.
I mean, it was funny for everyone else. Classic of a classic Bears move in the history of the bears.
They've found every single way.

Speaker 1 They've found every single thing. They cut

Speaker 1 Iber Fluce's dumb face on the sideline as

Speaker 1 it was the dumbest face.

Speaker 4 That was the dumbest coach face that I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 That's where I was in my bedroom screaming at the TV. I made a video just screaming at him.

Speaker 1 Look at this fucking face, this fucking idiot.

Speaker 4 There are some coaches, though, that have like very satisfying, dumb coach faces when they absolutely fuck things up.

Speaker 4 But I think that Matt Iber Fluce, that what we saw on Thanksgiving, so stupid. That was the stupidest face he's ever made.

Speaker 1 And Caleb played well again in the second half. Like he brought that, he looked really bad in the first half.
The offense looked completely like lifeless. And then, again, he drives them.

Speaker 1 I know there's plays he met. Like the DJ Moore, if he hits DJ Moore coming across with like, I don't know, 45 seconds left, he probably runs in for a touchdown.
But again,

Speaker 1 I think Caleb Williams, given what he has been stacked against in terms of the coaching, has been great, especially the last few games. So I'm very bullish about that.

Speaker 1 And you had to get rid of Matt Eberflues because you had to just be like, we can't keep doing this.

Speaker 4 Are you so you do want Ben Johnson now that you have your concerns about the offensive line?

Speaker 1 Ben Johnson or Mike Vrabel would be my one 1A, 1B,

Speaker 1 basically both 1A. Well, either one, I'd be very happy.

Speaker 4 I feel like Mike Vrabel is the direction you guys are going to go.

Speaker 5 Is he not going to go to OSU? No.

Speaker 1 Remember, he's

Speaker 1 going to listen to the show. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He said that to us.

Speaker 1 He did. He did.

Speaker 4 We were on a a golf trip.

Speaker 1 Memes, good job by memes. He put out the clip right away on Saturday.

Speaker 1 We were on a golf trip. No, he doesn't want to recruit.
The Bears make sense.

Speaker 4 The Bears want, they've been openly saying, We want a leader of men, which tells me that they're looking at like a Mike Frable

Speaker 4 and less inclined for Ben Johnson. And then Ben Johnson linked it, he leaked to Shefty over the weekend that he would be interested in the Bears if they come correctly.

Speaker 1 Well, I think we've weirdly become as bad as the organization is and the owners are, Caleb definitely makes it enticing because that's what

Speaker 1 any prospective coach says. Is there a quarterback there? And

Speaker 1 he's a good quarterback who looks promising and looks like he could be a real guy. So you would want, like, I think we are weirdly appealing, which

Speaker 1 as long as they don't figure out, like, as long as they don't meet George McCasky, I think it's an appealing job.

Speaker 1 And Mike Rabel, I haven't decided if I'm going to do this yet, but if he took the bear's head coaching job, I think I would, I've only done this for one other person i think it was jim harbaugh when i was trying to get him to be the bears head coach last year i think i would make a uh i will never criticize mike rabel

Speaker 1 uh pact yeah i will never say a bad thing about mike rabel if he takes the job what about what about i haven't decided yet i'm gonna i'm gonna i might actually try to sell that to him you know it'll be the big-time bears move if they went out they got pat fitzgerald

Speaker 1 no that'd be a big time bear no you know who's who's getting uh leaked is marcus freeman oh yeah yeah Marcus Freeman was Schraeger text me that this morning.

Speaker 1 Then he was like, I'm going to go just say it on NFL Network. I was like, thanks, dude.

Speaker 4 What about

Speaker 4 a coach trade? I feel like the Jets, if anybody does a coach trade, it'd probably be the Jets.

Speaker 1 No, I'll tell you, no, the Jets have their own, and they don't have a coach.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Neither do we.
You can trade for a coach, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 But they don't have. We train for.
Yeah, we don't have one. You don't have one.

Speaker 1 We both don't have coaches.

Speaker 4 No, I'm saying

Speaker 4 you can acquire a coach via trade.

Speaker 1 Like Buckshot.

Speaker 1 Another guy another coach a different got it got it got it not trading your coach no i do not want to i do not want to do that using free agency to acquire or not free agency but the trade deadline to acquire a currently employed coach yes the jets would trade a first-round pick for someone oh for mcvey yeah

Speaker 1 they would memes you're thinking about it right now and now you're thinking this might be a good idea no well no i was leaning into don't have a gm so i guess somebody could just send a first-round pick for like maybe the owner is that something that you think woody johnson might be interested in if he just sent 10 first-round picks for

Speaker 1 yeah 10 first-round picks uh and by the way we should talk about the lions real quick they are very banged up on defense uh well and they they acquired jamal adams they did blitz boys blitz back man in the box allison chains it does feel like the lions uh i mean this game on thursday night against the packers is going to be massive massive because i'm i'm of the belief at this point that

Speaker 1 If the Eagles get home field advantage, they're going to go to the Super Bowl. And if the Lions get home field advantage, they're going to go to to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 I mean, I think the Eagles are right there with the Lions. Right there with them.
Right there. Neck and neck.
We'll get to it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we'll get to it.

Speaker 4 So their defense is, they were missing a lot of guys, especially in the second half. They're very injured.
Everyone's injured, though. I still believe in the Lions.

Speaker 1 This time of year, everyone's banged up.

Speaker 4 Everyone's banged up. No excuses.
I did love the one play that the Lions ran in the first half, the little trick play that they put the ball in Penne Sewell's hands.

Speaker 4 And he just started beasting people. I don't even know if there was a pass or a designed run.
I think they just wanted to put the ball in his hands and let him just shove people around.

Speaker 1 That was at the point of the game where it was as embarrassing as possible, and Ben Johnson was like, fuck it. These guys suck.
Yeah. I'm just going to do some cool shit.

Speaker 4 Hard to watch Panay Sewell shove people over. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he is scary.

Speaker 1 Going to tackle him is very, very scary. But yeah, it was a crazy, crazy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 I just chaotic. I basically spent like the next hour mumbling to myself, like, why didn't you call a timeout? Why didn't you call a timeout? And I was not over it for a long time.

Speaker 1 And again, the worst part about this game is that I, after the Packers game, I made a pledge to myself to not let this team hurt me for the rest of the year because apathy had started to, you know, like take over.

Speaker 1 And it was like, look, we're not going to the playoffs. I'm just going to watch Kale Williams on Sunday and be happy with that.
I was actually mad about this game and I was mad.

Speaker 1 And then I got mad at myself for getting mad at the game.

Speaker 4 I mean, if you beat a really, really good team, a really, really good team, team, then that, that does huge, huge numbers for your ego. Right.

Speaker 4 And it's just, if you have a shitty team, you can be like, we could just, if we played like that every week, then we would be that really good team.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it's, I mean, they, Caleb Williams is now just

Speaker 1 basically every game he goes on game-winning drives that just aren't game-winning drives because something terrible happens. Yeah.
And it just happens over and over.

Speaker 4 You just, you want to cut those off at some point. You don't want him to start accumulating those losses.
I'm in.

Speaker 4 And to start, like, you know, we've seen quarterbacks and we've seen head coaches that that just accumulate sad losses and they just weigh on them.

Speaker 1 Just stay with them.

Speaker 1 I'm in full groundhogs mode with like the team two years ago and last year where it's like, oh, I feel good, like they're making progress, but winning games would be nice every now and then for morale.

Speaker 1 You're in that, Hank, now.

Speaker 1 Kind of. Yeah, where it's like, you don't want to

Speaker 1 give a fuck. No, he cared when the Patriots lost because

Speaker 1 you want your quarterback to play well, one, and then you're like, eventually we got to win a game just so like everyone feels good.

Speaker 5 More so for you because you've lost for so long. Like us, us.
Okay, I shouldn't have set myself up. A loss is a good draft pick.

Speaker 1 I should have set myself up for that.

Speaker 5 What did you think about the Jameer Gibbs leaking the

Speaker 5 protections?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was crazy. Dan Campbell was very upset.
If you saw the, the, so Jameer Gibbs did a TikTok in front of all of the verbiage that the offense uses for the Lions.

Speaker 1 And then after the game, a reporter told Dan Campbell, and he was just just like, what? What happened? And he's like, I didn't see that. And then he just walked right off.

Speaker 1 It's like, that actually sucks.

Speaker 1 I was reading. I can't remember who tweeted about it, but someone's like, this,

Speaker 1 obviously, this doesn't mean that everyone has their plays, but it means they have to learn new language this late in the season. That sucks.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's annoying. Yeah.
All of his teammates are probably really pissed off at him for that.

Speaker 1 You know what I would do is I would just not change anything and be like, everyone thinks we're going to change.

Speaker 4 We've changed everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, everyone assumes we're gonna change what yeah play it real quick he was he you could just see in his face he was just like oh god damn it

Speaker 1 something where you need to just remind a player to you know be smart about what they're posting on social media is there anything you know

Speaker 1 i believe gibbs posted a photo of of jefferson with a bunch of you know lingo on on the whiteboard in the running back room behind him oh i didn't know that

Speaker 1 did not know that okay yeah i need to check on that then.

Speaker 1 Did not know that. Yeah, I'd rather our stuff not be out there.

Speaker 4 Thanks.

Speaker 1 He walked off.

Speaker 1 That was probably the beginning of the press conference. He's like, I got to go right now.

Speaker 1 All right. Enough about the Bears.
Let's talk about the next game on Thanksgiving. Cowboys 27, Giants 20.

Speaker 1 You said you wanted to,

Speaker 1 let's recap what we ate instead of talking about this game, which I'm fine with. I do have a couple Giants things I wanted to talk about.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, I just figured a apt recap for this game would be to just talk instead about what we ate on things.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Overshone's pick was awesome. Overshones pick.
Overshone is a really, really good player. Enrico Dowdle's awesome.

Speaker 4 Overshone, every time I watch the Cowboys, no matter how bad things are going, he's always, you know, he's the definite, he flies around out there. Yeah.
That's what he does. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And yeah, Mike McCarthy, congratulations to him. Yeah.
I think he might even get like an extension. I do too.
I think he might just stick around for a while as a coach.

Speaker 1 Their defense looked great. I mean, it was Drew Locke, but they look great.
Yeah. But yeah, what did you guys eat? What was your favorite thing you ate?

Speaker 4 Deep-fried turkey.

Speaker 1 I did steak this year.

Speaker 4 Steak is, I like that. I like that.
Steak and turkey. Because turkey.
Oh, you did both?

Speaker 1 Well, yeah. So I think you can't just go.

Speaker 1 I saw our guy, Chuck, calls it steak giving.

Speaker 1 And I'm, I think steak is fine. You have to do a turkey just out of like.

Speaker 1 You just have to do a turkey. But I did, I ate probably 80% steak, 20% turkey.

Speaker 4 If I switch to steak, I'm just going to do steak at front. Right.
Because turkey is, it's the whole preparation for it.

Speaker 4 You have to brine it, you have to cook it, you roast it for a few hours, you deep-fry it. It's a big thing with the setup.

Speaker 4 If you're going to switch to steak, I feel like you just make that call and you're like, we're doing steak this year instead of turkey.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we did both and it was fucking awesome.

Speaker 4 I might have changed the game for Thanksgiving this year.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 I invented something.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 4 Thanksgiving soup.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 4 Thanksgiving soup. It was so, so good.
I took the leftover turkey. I made a turkey stock.
I boiled the fried turkey carcass, made a stock out of it. Then I added mashed potatoes.
I added

Speaker 4 mac and cheese. I roasted the stuffing in the oven to use as the croutons.

Speaker 4 I cut up carrots. I put some green bean casserole in there because it's got cream mushroom soup as the base.
God damn.

Speaker 1 I got so many left.

Speaker 4 I got some leftovers. I can't.
Can you bring in tomorrow? I actually, I was thinking about just bringing in the whole operation and deep-frying a turkey for the Barstool office. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Deep-fried turkey is the way to go.

Speaker 1 That sounded delicious.

Speaker 1 What did you guys eat?

Speaker 5 A lot of turkey, a lot of stuffing. Yeah.
A lot of crab cakes.

Speaker 1 You had crab cakes?

Speaker 5 I like crab cake like a little appetizer.

Speaker 1 Oh. I did.
I fucking hammered. I had like 20 of them.
Hammered cheese and crackers. I just went turkey sandwich right out of the gate.
What? Yep, right out of the gate. Sandwich? Before?

Speaker 1 For your dinner? Meal.

Speaker 4 You had leftovers before.

Speaker 1 You're crazy for that.

Speaker 4 You had pre-leftovers.

Speaker 1 You're crazy for that. Meal.
That is a change of of the game. Wow.
I also, and this was directly related to the Bears and the timeout. I think I conservatively had about 15 cookies after like 4 p.m.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Cookies. I went to Cookie Town.

Speaker 4 For me, cookies are breakfast on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was literally just walking. I would just walk past the kitchen and just eat two cookies.
And I did that for seven hours straight.

Speaker 4 You guys pumpkin pie people?

Speaker 1 I'm not. No.

Speaker 4 I fucked myself up with some pumpkin pie.

Speaker 1 I don't like pumpkin pie. I'm not a big pumpkin guy.
Pumpkin pie. Fred Smoot taught me that.

Speaker 1 Pumpkin's not food. It's fucking hippopotamuses, he said, like them.

Speaker 4 Yeah, my uh,

Speaker 4 I had this girl that came up to me one time. You know what she asked me?

Speaker 1 You ever had pumpkin pie?

Speaker 4 No, she asked me actually a different question than that.

Speaker 1 Oh, what'd she ask?

Speaker 4 My pussy tastes like pumpkin pie? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fuck out of here. I didn't ever have no pumpkin pie.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bernie Mac. Bernie Mac.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's the best.

Speaker 1 Memes, what'd you have?

Speaker 4 I had some turkey, I had some stuffing.

Speaker 1 I didn't stop eating for like 48 hours. Have you heard Brandon do it? Yeah, I have.
Okay, yeah. I was going to say.
Yeah. He's done it so many times.
Diet's back tomorrow. Oh, no, no, no, no.
Monday.

Speaker 1 No. Why? You can't diet between Thanksgiving and Christmas, my friend.
Yes, you can.

Speaker 1 No, you can't.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 5 It's a big month.

Speaker 4 I think this Monday is a diet. It's diet.

Speaker 1 You can't.

Speaker 1 This is a give up. This is just drink, eat whatever you want.
Yep, kind of poop yourself every now and then. I'm making a chicken chili tomorrow.
Oh, okay. For diet? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Chicken chili is healthy. Yeah.
You get a white chili.

Speaker 1 White chili,

Speaker 1 butter you put in it. No butter.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 No, this Monday is the diet day. And then you go back to it on Tuesday.
Yeah. You get a one-day diet.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. I want to talk about the giant.
Wait, meebs, what did you have? Anything good?

Speaker 1 Turkey stuffing. That's it? That's it.
Did you guys, do you guys do sausage in your stuffing? Because I do. It's awesome.
Awesome. My mom makes the best stuffing.
Really?

Speaker 1 How many people in America do you think say that?

Speaker 5 How many people are in America?

Speaker 1 Hundreds of millions.

Speaker 1 Did you guys see the viral tweet that was so funny? It's like

Speaker 1 my grandma's in Shaq's Celtics era of cooking.

Speaker 1 Had like 50,000 retweets. It was sad.

Speaker 1 When it goes, it goes.

Speaker 1 All right. Yeah, no, I want to talk about the Giants real quick because we always, memes and I had say, oh, the Bears and the Jets are similar.

Speaker 1 The Bears and the Giants are the similarity because outside of obviously two Super Bowls, which changes everything, the Giants are in the same situation where they have an idiot

Speaker 1 fail son running an organization into the ground. Last 10 years, they've been to the playoffs twice.
They've won one playoff game. They've had, I think,

Speaker 1 three winning seasons out of the last 14.

Speaker 1 They're 78 in 128. And I think reading

Speaker 1 seeing what Giants fans are saying, it's like the same frustration where it's you switch out coaches, you switch out John Mara is the one who's calling the shots and he's going to keep fucking things up.

Speaker 4 And every quarterback that they've had recently seems to play exactly the same, too. Yeah.
They look identical when they're out there on the field.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I feel like I have one guy to fix the Giants. It's Bill Belichick.

Speaker 4 I like like that.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 he loves history. He loves NFL history, where, you know, he started everything.
Not where he actually started.

Speaker 1 I think he started with the Lions, but where, you know, defensive coordinator for Lawrence Taylor and everything, a founding organization, he goes in and he just runs the whole show.

Speaker 1 I feel like that could happen.

Speaker 4 I think their legacy.

Speaker 4 This most recent Merrill legacy might be.

Speaker 5 And he would probably like to get the record with the Giants on you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I was just going to say, I think that his legacy might be ending any semblance of anything interesting ever happening on Hard Knocks again.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That might be it because of the Saquon thing. Yeah.
No team is going to want to put out film of their GM fucking something up so, so terribly that it'll just be a stain on the franchise forever.

Speaker 4 It's really going to get anything good from Hard Knocks. No.

Speaker 1 And it's really a shocking clip. I re-watch it every now and then.
Yeah. I'm just like, holy shit.
But it really said it.

Speaker 4 They have had the most hilarious, like, 18-year run as a a franchise.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because, yeah, obviously you trade it all for the two Super Bowls. Especially the Patriots and Tom Brady.
That's where they deviate from the Jets and the Bears.

Speaker 1 But in terms of the last decade, they have been horrendously, horrendously bad. And they just, they don't put together winning seasons.
They have no continuity. They fire coaches.
They fire GMs.

Speaker 1 And it's because they've got an idiot son running the whole organization.

Speaker 1 That's what happens. Find someone else.

Speaker 1 This is where the Jets, like as bad as Woody Johnson is, he actually goes for it. He's an idiot of a different kind.

Speaker 1 He didn't inherit the team.

Speaker 4 I think he's got some idiot family members, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he does, but he didn't inherit the team and be like, I'm just going to be an idiot.

Speaker 1 He's the idiot. He is the idiot.
Woody Johnson's the idiot. He is the idiot, but he tries really hard.
Whereas, like, the Mars and the McCaskies

Speaker 1 in the last decade, again, I have to qualify because they obviously Giants want to, they just are like, we own an NFL team. This is sick.

Speaker 1 We're just going to print money and do things the right way and hope it works.

Speaker 4 I think the Giants and the Bears are similar in that

Speaker 4 they both care very, very deeply about running a classy organization.

Speaker 1 Organization.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 that's what winning is to them. We run a classy organization.

Speaker 1 Virgin McCasky didn't let swear words on the hard knocks.

Speaker 4 We have a lot of dark stained wood in our office.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah,

Speaker 1 everything in our house smells like a football. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what they want.

Speaker 4 Ties. We're all wearing ties all the time.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Books of football lore in our

Speaker 1 10,000 square foot studies. And we can't run a team, but we love football.
Yeah. And the history of the game

Speaker 1 and the meetings and all that stuff. They love that shit, not the actual game.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Cowboys, I do think Mike McCarthy has saved his job. I don't think the Giants are going to win another game, by the way.

Speaker 4 They might not.

Speaker 1 Especially Dexter Lawrence, I think, out for the season.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I believe so.

Speaker 1 They might not.

Speaker 4 And I don't know if they're going to go back to Tommy DeVito.

Speaker 4 It doesn't really matter. No.
I like Tracy, the running back. He's not bad.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they are now 11 games without an interception. So that's quite something.

Speaker 1 All right. Packers 30, Dolphins, 17.

Speaker 1 I mean, this was the most obvious game ever. Mike McDaniel was shivering on the sidelines.

Speaker 4 He was all bundled up, too.

Speaker 1 He was shivering on the sidelines.

Speaker 4 It was a bad scene. And then Tua did not rewrite the narratives.
That stuff. He still hasn't won a game under 40 degrees, I believe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I mean, they made a valiant comeback late that was like, hey, maybe if they score, they got stopped at the goal line.

Speaker 1 But the stat that there's two stats that are like, when everyone's like, hey, you can't just say candy ass uniforms, the Dolphins can't win in the cold.

Speaker 1 I have two stats for you that show you you absolutely can. The first one is the Dolphins had 20 missed tackles to give up 132 extra yards.

Speaker 1 That's a cold weather stat. That's a, I don't want to get my nose into the pile.
I don't want to tackle anyone. And the second stat is Mike McDaniel was literally shivering on the side.

Speaker 4 He was so cold. He was so cold.
He looked like the kid from the Christmas story, all bundled up. He couldn't move his extremity.

Speaker 4 If he had to challenge a call, I don't think he'd be able to find the flag.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 they didn't even wear their most candy-ass uniforms either. No.

Speaker 4 They wore the old school dolphin with a helmet, which is that's that's breaking all the glass in case of emergency for the golf the dolphins to look as tough as possible.

Speaker 4 They should make one of those where the dolphins are wearing a helmet with the guardian cap on. Yeah.
That would rock, dude. Yeah.
But yeah, it doesn't look like...

Speaker 4 I mean, they had to win this one if they wanted some hope. They did not.
Yeah. Now they can play spoiler.

Speaker 1 They can play spoiler. I think they still technically,

Speaker 1 they need

Speaker 1 the Broncos to start losing. Yeah.
The Colts and the Dolphins need the Broncos to start losing to have a chance. But yeah, that was it to get back to 500.

Speaker 1 And the Packers, I'm officially very, very nervous. This Thursday night football game against the Lions, the Packers win this game.

Speaker 1 I'm already on the Packers look incredible because Jordan Loved hasn't thrown an interception in the last two weeks. Josh Jacobs.

Speaker 4 They're running a game.

Speaker 1 I tried to tell myself that that was a waste of money, and it is not because he is really fucking good.

Speaker 4 They have become what the 49ers were in the past. Yeah.
Watching them run the football is

Speaker 4 interesting. It's entertaining.
I like doing it.

Speaker 1 I'm worried. I'm officially worried about the Packers.
By the way, here's a fun stat: the Lions, the Packers, and the Vikings are 27-3 against all teams not themselves.

Speaker 1 So they all have lost a single game against a non-NFC North team.

Speaker 1 It's pretty crazy. 27-3.

Speaker 1 They're all really, really fucking good.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'm looking at the AFC picture right now.

Speaker 4 We're going to beat all three. It's going to be tough.
What?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's going to beat all three. Yeah, we could have.
We actually very much could have. We're right there.
Oh, we're right there.

Speaker 4 That's what they're fucking telling us. It's going to be tough.

Speaker 4 They need the Colts and the Broncos to start losing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's exactly what it is. And they need them to lose fast.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the Packers are really good. That Thursday Night Football game, this Packers-Lions game game is going to be.

Speaker 1 Because if the Packers win this game,

Speaker 1 they could win the North. Yeah, oh, easily.
Like, that's, that's, it's not ruling it out.

Speaker 1 And, because I think they still have a game against the Vikings left that if they, if they beat the Vikings, that would obviously put the Vikings with another loss.

Speaker 1 It's going to be crazy watching this. Like, if the, if the Packers win this game, they're looking at, hey, we could win the North.

Speaker 1 And if they lose this game, they're, they're basically like, all all right, we're a road team on wild card weekend.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Packers are 9-3, and the Vikings are right there at 10-2 and 11-1.

Speaker 1 This is going to tell everything. This is going to tell everything.
Max, you're the biggest Packers fan on Earth on Thursday night. Yeah, I was a huge Bears fan this

Speaker 1 last weekend, too. I know.
I'm sorry we let you down. Yeah.
Who do the Lions have left? Do they have any hard games left?

Speaker 1 Besides, obviously, playing the Vikings and the,

Speaker 1 I guess, I mean,

Speaker 1 playing the Bears outside. Who knows? Thomas Brown might

Speaker 1 get the boys going. So

Speaker 4 if that were to happen, if the Lions were

Speaker 4 and fall to the first wild card, what would that mean for their first-round matchup? They would probably, they might go to Atlanta. The Packers? No, the Lions.

Speaker 4 If the Lions fell back.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 If the Packers ended up winning the North or the Vikings won the North?

Speaker 4 Yeah, they could travel to Atlanta and just beat the fuck out of the case.

Speaker 1 It's just crazy because the Lions have been so good and they are so good, but because the Vikings and the Packers are also so good, a division that they could have ran away with is still very much up for grabs, really depending on Thursday Night Football.

Speaker 1 If the Lions win the game on Thursday Night Football, it's almost a wrap because they have already beaten the Vikings and they play the Vikings at home. So that kind of seals it.

Speaker 1 But if they lose that game, it's way up for grabs. Yep.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 All right, yeah, the Packers are really good.

Speaker 4 I'm scared.

Speaker 1 I'm very, very scared. All right, last game that we're going to talk about from Thursday and Friday, Chiefs and Raiders.
Chiefs 19, Raiders 17. PFD, you should have put it as your pick.

Speaker 4 I should have put it as my pick, but I didn't give it out as my pick. I gave Moneyline.

Speaker 1 So it's a missed bet.

Speaker 4 I have to put my hand up and say bad bet.

Speaker 1 The Chiefs are, that was the most Chiefs game ever. They, they, at the start of the game, looked like they were going to kill the Raiders.
The Raiders come back. Aiden O'Connell, shout out.
Not bad.

Speaker 1 Ballsy. Max Crosby was doing his Max Crosby thing where he just

Speaker 1 has to piss off Patrick Mahomes more than any player on earth. Oh, yeah.
Because he was doing like little extra jabs here and there. Patrick Mahomes was complaining to the refs.

Speaker 1 And then we had the last play, which

Speaker 1 for all the conspiracy theorists out there, it was just red beat. Well,

Speaker 4 I want to go back to the drive before that last drive. Yeah, yeah.
So Antonio Pierce, he had the ball in plus territory. The Raiders down by one point, three minutes left on the clock.

Speaker 4 Let me ask you a question, Piquette. If you give the ball, would you want to give the ball back to Patrick Mahomes when Patrick Mahomes had a lead? I would not.
With three minutes left? I would not.

Speaker 4 All right, so Antonio Pierce did, and he sent his punt team out there, and then somebody on the sidelines was like, hey, Antonio Pierce, just a reminder, that's Patrick Mahomes on the opposite sideline.

Speaker 4 Might not want to do that. So he did my favorite move in all sports, which is he called the Think It Over timeout to Think It Over.

Speaker 4 And his decision coming coming out of that timeout was to send his kicker out there who had missed two field goals of 55 and over yards, I believe. Yep.
To try a 58-yard field goal.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 4 Shocker actually landed short of the upright. So then you give the ball back to Patrick Mahomes with three minutes left.
And actually, you get the ball back after that.

Speaker 4 But it was just an insane decision. I don't know what his decision tree was on that.

Speaker 4 I don't know what he was thinking.

Speaker 1 He doesn't really think.

Speaker 4 It ended up working out for him, so I guess i'm the idiot but they got the ball back drive down the field and then we get to the point where it's here come the refs yeah because uh the final play where the chiefs get a fumble there is a ref that runs on the field that calls it a uh false start did he call it a false start uh i so there's some discussion going on yeah the raiders are claiming that some people on the field heard a whistle yeah I don't know if I heard a whistle or not, but it was an illegal shift that they ended up calling

Speaker 4 after they got together to talk about it.

Speaker 1 But the ref coming in from the sideline was, it looked like he was calling a false start, I believe.

Speaker 1 So, and then he changed it to a legal shift, which then made it so that the place stood and the fumble counted.

Speaker 4 Yes, so I guess it could have been thrown as a false start.

Speaker 4 And then, after the fact, he was like, let's just make this illegal shift because I'm not sure if it, if they were going sideways or forward. The bottom line is,

Speaker 4 yeah, the Chiefs, I get why they use the meme now. Yeah.
This game flipped it it for me. I get it.
I get it. You guys lost this game.
You win. I can't.
I'm done fighting against it.

Speaker 4 The Chiefs, your fans, your team, your whole city, whatever you're doing, I want a part of that. You guys are doing the right thing because they are 11 and 1.

Speaker 4 They have the worst point differential of any 11-1 team in history.

Speaker 1 10 consecutive playoff bursts.

Speaker 4 You know what second worst is?

Speaker 1 Who?

Speaker 4 It's the 1976 Raiders.

Speaker 4 They won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 don't think the Chiefs are going to to win the Super Bowl this year. And I say that with caution because it is still Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 But their offensive line, and I know they got TJ Humphreys, who's still working back from an ACL, their offensive line is bad. They moved.

Speaker 1 They shifted it in the middle of the game. Their left tackle stinks.
They're like, we can't figure this out. I think they put Tooney at left tackle.

Speaker 1 Their offensive line is bad. Their secondary has not been good.
It feels like they're just holding on.

Speaker 1 And if they go up against a team with a really good pass rush, it's going to be very hard for the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Now, it's still Patrick Mahomes, so I say this with a lot of caution because he'll probably just end up winning the game, and we'll be like, how the fuck did they do this?

Speaker 1 But it does feel a little bit different in that, like, it feels more 2019 Chiefs who went to the Super Bowl the COVID year, or no, was it

Speaker 1 before COVID?

Speaker 4 It was 2020 in Miami.

Speaker 1 They won that.

Speaker 1 They won that Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 Then they won, and then COVID hit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so it was a 2020 season where they played the Bucs, and Patrick Mahomes had no time in the Super Bowl, and the Bucs were all over them. And so they still might go to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 So we don't want to say that Patrick Mahomes won't win a Super Bowl. No, we don't want to.
We're fighting against it with every fiber of our being. The Chiefs are making us believe that.

Speaker 4 You guys are doing it to yourselves.

Speaker 1 I think Chiefs fans, though, know that this feels a little different than last year where it was like, okay, they're kind of fucking around, but they still have the fundamentals here of of like a team that can win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 And they obviously still can, but this one feels like,

Speaker 1 I mean, Patrick Mahomes went 113 games without a five-sack game. He's now been sacked five times by the Panthers last week, and then the Raiders five times this week.
So two in a row.

Speaker 1 And they could get, you know, like I said, they made a signing. They could get healthier.

Speaker 1 But as it stands right now, I don't feel super optimistic. And they also are going to be in a fight for the one seed.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Did you hear Al Michaels kind of shitting on streaming? What he's saying? During the game?

Speaker 1 Well, we missed a punt.

Speaker 4 We missed a whole punt. We missed a punt.
We missed a play that'll be lost to history. Nobody saw it happen.
Who knows what happened and what the crisis actors at the game were told to say afterwards.

Speaker 4 But Al Michaels was like, yeah, they wouldn't do that on linear, but they'll do that to us on streaming. And then he just kind of proceeded to take a shit on Amazon.

Speaker 4 I love Al Michaels and his I don't give a fuck. Yes.
It's pretty good.

Speaker 4 He does not care. He'll just say whatever.

Speaker 1 I also Black Friday game.

Speaker 4 I don't even know. Does Al Michaels, like, what does he eat on Thanksgiving? Does he

Speaker 4 just steak? Yeah, steak.

Speaker 1 Steak for sure. I wanted to say, I saw this funny tweet I wanted to shout out from stats guy Daniel.

Speaker 1 He said, Steelers, Chiefs on Christmas Day is just going to be 57 minutes of both teams doing everything possible to keep it a one-score game before Mike Tomlin and Patrick Mahomes reveal who negotiated the better deal with the devil to win in the most unthinkable way possible.

Speaker 1 Nailed it. Nailed it.
That's what they do.

Speaker 1 The Raiders, by the way, did we get a Shadur Sanders tweet? Oh, we did not. Oh, he was playing in a game.
Yeah, we did not.

Speaker 4 He was playing in a game when it was on Friday. So I don't.
Let's see. Did he do it on Thanksgiving after the Giants lost?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 4 I did not check up on that. I know that I did check on it for Friday.

Speaker 1 How did his game go on Friday?

Speaker 4 He played pretty well. He had three touchdown passes to this

Speaker 4 really outstanding receiver.

Speaker 1 What's his name?

Speaker 4 Number 12, whatever that is.

Speaker 1 Can someone look up number 12 for us?

Speaker 4 Shadur Sanders has tweeted, Thank You God, an hour ago.

Speaker 1 Oh, so it's the Sunday thing.

Speaker 4 He did it an hour ago. It's a Sunday thing.

Speaker 5 Travis Hunter is the name.

Speaker 4 Travis Hunter. I thought he played cornerback.
He does.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Look at it again.
And he scored three touchdown passes?

Speaker 1 Did he have an interception, too? What? Wow. Damn.
We got to look up this guy. We should probably do some research for him.

Speaker 4 Oh, is that the guy that did the Heisman pose twice? Oh,

Speaker 4 what is the Heisman pose? I could see it. They kept doing it.
They kept it. They seasoning

Speaker 1 if you're good enough to win the Heisman, you do it. I don't know.

Speaker 1 You know what? To the AWLs, we're going to look up this Travis Hunter guy. We'll give you a report on Wednesday.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I just thought it was an interesting pose. And I was like,

Speaker 4 if that's a trophy, it must be a pretty prestigious trophy because that's a cool pose.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Chiefs just, that was the most Chiefs' way for them to win the game. Just so classically Chiefs.
Hank, did you have Raiders' money line? Yeah, I saw it. Yeah.
Look at Hank's face.

Speaker 1 You knew he had Raiders' money line.

Speaker 4 Oh, I did too.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry, Hank.

Speaker 1 That was tough. But it was so, Chiefs.
It's the Patriots' deal with the devil. Where you guys win games like this?

Speaker 5 There's been like 20 of them this year.

Speaker 1 This year feels crazy.

Speaker 5 I feel like going against the refs. The Chiefs have the refs in their pocket.

Speaker 1 I can't. I don't know specifically.

Speaker 4 You had the tuck rule.

Speaker 1 I did see one person was like, the Patriots never had this deal with the devil, and then someone just quote you it with the Miles Jack play.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That one. Or D Ford offsides.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was offside. But, okay, so.
Jack won.

Speaker 1 I do say the deal with the devil and like,

Speaker 1 you know, it's crazy to keep getting away with it. But the actual reality of it is the Chiefs make winning plays at winning time.

Speaker 1 And like, that's, they're a team that will never get blown out and they will always be in that spot where if you make a mistake, they'll capitalize on it.

Speaker 1 So it's like, it's a combo of, yes, it looks like luck, but I also think it's just they're really fucking good. And if you fuck up at all, they'll just jump on you and win the game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? They are almost daring us to doubt them. Yeah.

Speaker 4 You're doing all that you can.

Speaker 1 I don't want to do that. That's the only way that

Speaker 1 they can get amped up is to have all the doubters.

Speaker 4 I don't want to do it, but you're making me

Speaker 4 think about doing it. I'm starting to do it.
I don't want to.

Speaker 1 By the way, Max Crosby, 387 consecutive snaps,

Speaker 1 which I think that's the most since 2016. He just does it every year.
He just rips off another consecutive snaps record. Yeah.
It's nuts. It's nuts.
All right.

Speaker 1 Should we take a break and we'll go to... Oh, yeah.
Raiders fans, Brock Bowers is awesome. True.
He's so fucking good. That's cool that you have him.

Speaker 4 And AOC didn't look bad either.

Speaker 1 No, he didn't look bad.

Speaker 1 Wonder. I don't know if they'll win another game, but...
He looks like you. He does look a little bit like me.

Speaker 4 I was going to say he looks a little bit like Derek Carr with the mascara.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but he's got

Speaker 1 that mustache, a a little bit of, maybe we could lose a couple.

Speaker 1 Just if we're being factual, could lose a couple.

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Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 let's get to some Sunday games. We have Steelers 44, Bengals 38.

Speaker 1 I think the Bengals officially are done.

Speaker 4 They got to take the ping pong table out now.

Speaker 1 They got to take the ping pong table out. Mike Tomlin is now secured above 500 for his 18th consecutive season.
So he's not had a losing record. There was maybe a 500 record in there.

Speaker 1 18 straight seasons.

Speaker 1 He has not been under 500 as an NFL coach. That is insane.
And I'll say this, the Steelers,

Speaker 1 I was impressed with them because I was searching around for the F-word for the Steelers. I did not think they could win in a shootout.
That's exactly what they did.

Speaker 1 Russell Wilson was awesome, throwing for over 400 yards. Their defense made a couple huge plays, big turnovers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Steelers, that was big. That was a big win.
Yeah, huge.

Speaker 4 Russell Wilson looked awesome. Najee Harris looks light.

Speaker 4 He's weak to week. Yeah, he looks around the football.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a big part of the game, they got him going. They got him screen game and running.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so do you remember early in the game when he pulled up a little bit and everybody thought his hamstring was fucked up? Yep. All right, so they asked him about that, and he said Thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 He said Pat Fryermuth's girlfriend Jill made some fire ass banana something

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 4 I guess he overindulged a little bit. Did Naja Harris shit himself in the first quarter? I think that's what that means, right? I think you're right.
I think Naja Harris pooped himself when he ran.

Speaker 4 That's why he pulled up like his hamstring was hurt. When he grabbed at the back of his leg, he's grabbing his butthole because he's pooping on himself.
But he looked awesome today. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He looked really good. Now, it was against the Bengals defense, and the Bengals defense might have gotten worse out of the bye if that was possible.

Speaker 4 So the Bengals are 2-4 when they score over 30 points. The rest of the league is 75-3.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 When it comes to 33 points, the Bengals have four losses. Every other team in the league has one loss.
So this might be the end of the Bengals dynasty.

Speaker 1 The Bengals defense has given up 34 or more points six times this year. That's insane.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Six times. We should say they have a 3% chance at making the playoffs.
5%.

Speaker 4 And they've converted from being a we have to run the table in terms of wins. Now they're saying every drive is a must-score drive.
And MR Chase was like,

Speaker 4 I think we need to score on every single drive from now on because our defense can't stop anybody. If they score a touchdown on every drive, I think they would make the playoffs at this point.

Speaker 1 I don't think they would.

Speaker 4 You don't think so?

Speaker 1 No, because all the other teams have to lose. No, they need to score on every drive, but also the other teams have to not score on every drive.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They don't control their own destiny.

Speaker 1 Like they can't say, hey, if we score on every drive, we're good.

Speaker 1 They got to be like, hey, we got to score on every drive. And also the Colts have to never score again.
The Dolphins have to never score again. The Broncos have to never score again.

Speaker 4 It's pretty bad.

Speaker 1 It's everyone.

Speaker 1 They got no chance. It's over.
And

Speaker 1 this has to be one of the most frustrating seasons for a fan base because if I told you in August that we would be sitting here on the week of Thanksgiving and Joe Burrow would have 30 touchdowns, five interceptions, and 3,300 yards in 12 games with a 68% completion percentage.

Speaker 1 You'd be like the Bengals are vying for the one season.

Speaker 4 And how many interceptions is that? Five. Five, and at least two or three of those are on badly deflected passes off the hands of his own receivers.

Speaker 1 Now, he does have fumbles, too.

Speaker 1 He had two fumbles in this game that was bad, but still, Joe Burrow has played statistically his best season, and you've completely wasted it because your defense defense fell off a cliff and your owner is a cheap ass.

Speaker 4 Are we in a zone where it might be so bad, their defense might be so bad, that maybe Joe Burrow MVP is back on a little bit? I mean,

Speaker 1 I put a little on him offensive player of the year because I made the bet thinking Saquon might win MVP and then they'll give offensive player of the year to the best quarterback. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he's been the best quarterback. His team stinks.

Speaker 4 And if a running back wins MVP, then they wouldn't necessarily have to give offensive player of the year to just the best quarterback on this team.

Speaker 1 I think I got it like 90 to 1 or something.

Speaker 1 No, that can't be right. Yeah, but either way, Joe Burrow's been awesome, and you've completely wasted a year of Joe Burrow's prime.
Like, that's that would kill me as a fan.

Speaker 4 And T. Higgins last year.
Yeah. Yoshi looks pretty good, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But still,

Speaker 1 90 to 1.

Speaker 4 A couple years ago, you thought that this team was set up, your window's open.

Speaker 4 That window. Sorry.
Yeah. Sorry about your window.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was bad. That was bad.
So,

Speaker 1 yeah, the Bengals are dead.

Speaker 1 I'm done thinking about them. I'm done.
I mean, they're still fun to watch because they play in shootouts.

Speaker 1 But, like, this game was not an AFC North game at all

Speaker 1 with the way the first half went. And again, I think the Steelers, like, winning in this style, I did not think they had it into them.
Maybe George Pickens was right.

Speaker 1 It was the snow that made them bad against the Browns. And George Pickens, by the way.

Speaker 1 He did it all.

Speaker 4 He did it all.

Speaker 4 He got flagged for unsportsmanlike, for simulating a gun. But he claims, and we can watch the tape, he claims he was signaling first down after he got a first down.
Got it.

Speaker 4 Now, he did pull a trigger at the end of the first down. Which you have to do.
Which you have to do. I mean, who's to say that that was a gun? You just pull the trigger on the first down.

Speaker 1 He scored a touchdown, had a bunch of really good

Speaker 1 plays,

Speaker 1 shot a fake gun, threw a ball in

Speaker 1 an opponent's face, and then punted a ball after scoring his touchdown. It was great.

Speaker 4 He did it all. He did it all.
It was great. I love that guy.

Speaker 1 And Tomlin said after, he's like, George has to grow up. No, I don't.

Speaker 4 No, no, just let George be George. They did have a moment where Tomlin got into his face on the sidelines a little bit.

Speaker 4 I don't know what Tomlin could be saying to George Pickens that he hasn't already said probably like 40 to 50 times already. But yeah, Tomlin, Tomlin likes having a little bit of chaos on his teams.

Speaker 4 You can tell he gets off on it.

Speaker 1 Tomlin has quickly become one of my favorite coaches because he just feels like even the videos after in the locker room where he's dancing with like Najee Harris he's the best guy ever and you get why he can handle like having an Antonio Brown or a you know George Pickens or Ben Rothsberger on your on his team because he's just stable and he's like he's just down with the what down with the dudes and he's like uh like I'll be here for you no matter what like George Pickens on any other team I feel like

Speaker 1 is not as good and maybe like fails and and has shit happen that's bad but on the Steelers he's still crazy crazy, but Tommy knows how to harness the crazy.

Speaker 4 So, what's the difference between the Bears, the Giants, and the Steelers? Because the Steelers have that like old-school family

Speaker 4 where a classy organization thing, but they're just

Speaker 1 really good. Yeah, and they get coaches and they don't, and they keep them.
And also, they've had quarterbacks. Well, they get good coaches.
Ben Rothsberger. Because he was a big thing.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you could also say, like, okay, it probably wouldn't be the best thing for the Bears to keep a lot of the coaches at the cost. Correct.

Speaker 1 Correct. But Ben Rothsberger would probably be the big one.
And then obviously their defense. I feel like maybe it's also the jerseys.

Speaker 1 The towels. When they put on the jerseys, their defense is just good.

Speaker 4 The towels, too.

Speaker 1 Like, if you did a video game, you put on the Steelers,

Speaker 1 you know, jersey, and it's just plus five points to defense.

Speaker 4 What do you think the score of the game would have been on the Thanksgiving night game if the Packers and the Dolphins had just changed jerseys?

Speaker 1 It would have been a one-score. It would have been a...

Speaker 1 I think the.

Speaker 4 The Packers still win.

Speaker 1 Packers win by three.

Speaker 4 No, I think the Packers might lose, actually. They might lose.
Imagine Jordan Love and a Dolphins.

Speaker 1 And you maybe gave a coat to Mike McDaniel. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Russ, though. I was very wrong about Russ.
400.

Speaker 4 14 yards, three touchdowns.

Speaker 1 His third 400-yard game in his career. I would never have guessed that he had a 400-yard game still left in him.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 But he does. They're winning shootouts.

Speaker 1 Winning shootouts. That's what I said.
Like,

Speaker 1 the Steelers winning this game, the style they won this game, I'm like, all right, I was wrong.

Speaker 1 Like, the Steelers are not frauds, and they still have a tough schedule down the stretch, but yeah, with their defense, it gets a little healthy. They just got dudes everywhere.

Speaker 1 And even though their defense got lit up a little bit, I mean, the Bengals will do that to anyone. They still made the big plays when they had to.

Speaker 4 We're going to get some good quotes from Jamar Chase as the season concludes. Yeah.
I feel like he does not give a fuck. He's just going to say whatever's on his mind.

Speaker 1 I feel bad for Joe Burrow. It's not, I mean, just, you just wasted.
You can't waste these seasons when you have a quarterback like Joe Burrow. Yep.
You can't.

Speaker 1 Okay. Next game.
Chargers 17, Falcons 13.

Speaker 1 This is one of those games where the Chargers were lucky to win because their offense couldn't do anything. And the Falcons,

Speaker 1 you've got a problem. And he's a friend of the show, but Kirk Cousins has been bad the last three weeks.
And he threw four interceptions today.

Speaker 4 Some really, really bad picks, too. The one in the end zone, the pick six was bad, too.

Speaker 4 I mean, it was about as bad as a a four-pick day can be. My theory is that it's like James Harden when he would play in cities that had really good strip clubs.
Yeah. He would always play poorly.

Speaker 4 Kirk Cousins does the same when very popular, iconic musicals come out in theaters. And so he's been up all night singing along and not focused on his playbook.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't know if there's anything to that, but he looked bad today.

Speaker 1 He looked bad.

Speaker 1 The pick six was really bad, and then the end zone interception was really, really bad.

Speaker 1 And it was the the really the hard part for the Falcons is the Falcons defense has not shown up in like a lot of games. They did today.

Speaker 1 So the Falcons defense has had five sacks total in the last six games. They had five today.

Speaker 1 They didn't let the Chargers do anything. The Chargers had 187 total yards.

Speaker 1 The Falcons had 24 first downs, the Chargers 10.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the Falcons kept on going into the red zone, not getting anything out of it, missing field goals, interceptions. That's a game that you're going to look and be like, how did we lose that game?

Speaker 1 Because they should have won that game. The Chargers' offense couldn't do anything, and you sacked Justin Herbert five times, and man,

Speaker 1 Kirk Cousins, that was a tough one.

Speaker 4 It was a very tough one. So they've got the Vikings, but then they've got some winnable games after that, too, for the Falcons.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 So, Hank, thank you for sending a reminder to remind us to bet against the Falcons in the playoffs. I feel very, very confident about that

Speaker 4 crystal ball pick. Yeah.
I think it's going to work out.

Speaker 4 They just don't look like a good team. No.

Speaker 1 No, they've lost three in a row now.

Speaker 1 Basically, they just need to play the Bucs for their offense to look good. Yep.

Speaker 1 Hank, sorry about your Chargers to not make the playoffs bet.

Speaker 5 Did not make that bet.

Speaker 1 Because it looks like they're going to make the playoffs. Yeah.

Speaker 4 They're eight and four.

Speaker 5 So are the Commanders.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we'll get to that. Agreed.
We'll get to that.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I feel like if you're a Charger, if you're the Chargers and you're a Chargers fan, you go off a short week against, you know, an emotional game on Monday night against the Ravens.

Speaker 1 However, you win, don't apologize for the win. But

Speaker 1 their offensive line looks like it needs some help. And J.K.
Dobbins being out hurts them a lot because they do want to run the ball and they haven't been able to.

Speaker 4 Yeah, their offense was not good at all today. I think most Chargers fans would say that was like a painful, thank God we won this week.

Speaker 1 Right, exactly. And just walk away and be like, thank God we won.
And the Falcons, you wasted a really good defensive effort.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Kirk.

Speaker 1 Do they make the switch?

Speaker 4 People are asking.

Speaker 4 People are asking, is it time for Pennix?

Speaker 4 And then what do you do with Kirk Cousins?

Speaker 1 He's got zero touchdowns and six interceptions the last six games. And sorry, three games.

Speaker 4 Salary fully guaranteed for at least next year, right?

Speaker 4 I mean, there's one team I could think of that would be a perfect fit for Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 1 Who's that?

Speaker 4 The man is shaking his head

Speaker 1 right now.

Speaker 4 I mean, think about it. Picture it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I could. I could see it.

Speaker 4 Kirk Cousins. I could see see it.
Kirk Cousins to the Jets.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I could see it.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Why not? We already got one guy with a torn Achilles.

Speaker 4 Yeah, true. System.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would take a shot on Kirk.

Speaker 1 Shout out to Tarheb still, by the way, because he had two picks. He had the pick six.

Speaker 1 He had another pick, and then he also broke up that pass on the last drive to Drake London that kind of sealed the game. So he was awesome.
But yeah, Chargers, good job. High fives

Speaker 1 everywhere around. You won a tough game, and now you're looking like you're going to be in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Okay, Vikings 23, Cardinals 22. This is another one where

Speaker 1 don't apologize for wins because the Vikings looked bad

Speaker 1 for three quarters. They had 100 yards of offense late into the third quarter, and then Sam Darnold happened, and he was awesome down the stretch, led them on two touchdown drives.
They were down 19-6

Speaker 1 with 4.43 left in the third quarter. He was 12 for 17, 156 yards, and two touchdowns for the rest of the game.

Speaker 1 He won them that game.

Speaker 4 This is what I love about Kevin O'Connell: he gets quarterbacks that have in their past looked like they're timid. They're slow to process.
They don't trust themselves. They're not confident.

Speaker 4 And when they play for him, they just look like everything's fast. Yeah.
Like they know exactly what to do. And it could be a backup quarterback like Dobbs.
It could be Darnold. It could be anybody.

Speaker 4 It could be Kirk Cousins. But they look like just a way more confident version of themselves all the time.

Speaker 4 And he must be an awesome guy to play, which is why probably Daniel Jones wants to go out there and just be like, hey, just tell me I'm pretty.

Speaker 4 Make me feel good about myself for a little bit because I'm gun shy about everything else. I do think that

Speaker 4 there was an insane... coaching decision in this.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Where Gannon kicked that field goal, I think, from the four-yard line.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He was up three, right? And he was up three with the

Speaker 4 from the four-yard line. Kicked a field goal to make it six points.
I feel like every time that happens, the other team wins.

Speaker 1 Six points is the worst lead in football. I agree.
Because you basically, like, if you're up three,

Speaker 1 you're going to call offense a little differently, and you're not going to, you know, you're going to play for the field goal, be a little more conservative.

Speaker 1 If you're up six, you're basically saying to the other team, you have to go score a touchdown, and that's exactly what the Vikings did.

Speaker 4 If you're up six, you might as well be tied and it's overtime. Right.

Speaker 1 And if you, if you go for the touchdown there and get it, you are winning the game. You're up two scores, you've won the game.

Speaker 4 By the way, if you're up one and you kick the field goal, I like that. Yeah.
I like that a lot. Yeah.
You're up two, I like that a lot. If you're up three, I don't like it.

Speaker 1 No, because it's like you, I mean, you're just, you didn't change anything, really. Yeah.
The other team's just going to go even harder. Their urgency is going to be there.
Kevin O'Connell.

Speaker 1 They have every fourth down now.

Speaker 4 Stathole Sports pointed this out. Kevin O'Connell is now 24 and 10 in one score games.
24 and 10. Pretty good coach.
That is a really good coach.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, Kevin O'Connell is a very good coach.

Speaker 1 And yeah, the Vikings, like, that was Sam Darn. Sam Donald won that game.
He was 0-23 in games when he was trailing by 13-plus points until today.

Speaker 4 I also like their strategy of when teams take away Justin Jefferson, just hitting up Jordan Addison all the time. Yeah.
And then teams are like, fuck, we can't let Jordan Addison beat us.

Speaker 4 And then they have Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Justin Jefferson makes a big catch in the fourth quarter. He was, by the way, Justin Jefferson was the fourth player all time to have a thousand yards in his first five seasons.

Speaker 1 Pretty impressive. He's really fucking good.

Speaker 1 And yeah, this was a game where it felt like the Vikings were going to lose the whole game because they couldn't do anything offensively. Their defense played well.
Ben don't break.

Speaker 1 The Cardinals essentially, all they had to do was convert one of those red zone trips into a touchdown instead of kicking all these field goals, and they win this game.

Speaker 1 And now they're looking at it and be like, we've lost two straight, and the Seahawks winning. The Seahawks now have a game lead in the NFC West.

Speaker 1 That was a missed opportunity, just like the Falcons. It was a missed opportunity for the Cardinals.

Speaker 4 That crazy field goal, too. Like, best case scenario, you go up six points and you also give them like

Speaker 4 20 yards of extra field position. Correct.

Speaker 1 Correct. I agree.
I wrote it down as well. I was like,

Speaker 1 a six-point lead is the worst lead to have in football. Yeah.

Speaker 4 What six-point lead would be the worst? I feel like 14 to 20 is pretty bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because then you see the tourism. 21, 20, 21, 20.

Speaker 4 You know it's going to be 21 to 20.

Speaker 1 16-10.

Speaker 1 That's pretty bad as well.

Speaker 4 16-1, actually, you're right. Yeah, 16.
16-10. That is the worst.
Because you just can see it.

Speaker 1 You're like, oh, they're just going to score a touchdown. They're going to have 17.

Speaker 4 13-7, too.

Speaker 5 I feel like it's more common.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 13-7 as well. Yeah, those are bad leads.

Speaker 1 What was it? 19-13? That one was...

Speaker 4 I'd rather be losing 19-16.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. Sorry, this one was.

Speaker 5 19-13, you got some cushion.

Speaker 1 That's a big one. This one was 22-6.
16. They were up 19-6, and then it became 22-6.

Speaker 5 22-60 is not bad. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's sizable. Yeah, that one I actually, yeah, now that we're talking it out, I actually kind of agree with the field goal.
Yeah. To go from

Speaker 1 19 to 16 to 22.16, you feel like you won the game. Yeah,

Speaker 4 25 to 31. That's a pretty big lead, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no.

Speaker 4 24 to 30, kind of like, yeah, 24 to 30.

Speaker 1 I think anybody's exact number is a good idea.

Speaker 1 I think Jonathan Gannon might be vindicated. I can understand why he got tripped up.
You look at the score in 1916, you're kicking a field goal every time to go up 22.16.

Speaker 1 You're like, that doesn't make sense. Touchdown doesn't get to 23.
Oh, shit. Yeah, it does.
It does.

Speaker 1 In fact, it does.

Speaker 1 But you could easily make that mistake.

Speaker 4 What about

Speaker 4 18 to 12?

Speaker 1 No, that's just.

Speaker 1 That's not the best. That's just, you're just in a funky.
Yeah, that's just so many field goals. That's just a year.

Speaker 1 You're just like, they're going to kick another field goal because that's all we've been doing.

Speaker 1 I think the Steelers beat the Falcons 18 to 12 this week one.

Speaker 4 Things have changed.

Speaker 1 That's weird if I, if that's.

Speaker 4 Oh, is that all the field goals?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that might be, that's like uh, you've been watching too much football. Maybe go outside for a little bit, if I'm thinking about that.

Speaker 4 That feels like a Falcons Steelers score, doesn't it?

Speaker 1 Uh, yeah, it does. Uh, yeah, the Cardinals, they're gonna kick themselves not having this game.
And the Vikings, I mean, Sam Darnold, I was impressed. Sam Darnold.

Speaker 1 Sam Darnold won him this game. The defense, again, Ben don't break, but like they were stuck in the mud in Sam Darnold.
And Aaron Jones fumbles.

Speaker 1 They put him in the doghouse, and he makes the big touchdown catch.

Speaker 1 Vikings are Vikings are good. The NFC North is fucking

Speaker 1 a dog fight. Yeah.
It's a dog fight.

Speaker 1 Okay. Next game.
Talk about ass kicking. PFT, you're back.
42. Commanders 42.
Titans 19.

Speaker 4 That was an ass kick. It was a get right.
It was a get right. We got right.

Speaker 1 I actually think that was,

Speaker 1 if you had to script a realistic

Speaker 1 worst way to start a game, the Titans did it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, 21-0 in the first quarter, and it was almost 28-0 in the first quarter, too. Yeah.
Just everything went poorly for the Titans.

Speaker 4 And the Titans, believe it or not, did have the second best total defense of any team in the NFL going in this game.

Speaker 4 Now, yes, a lot of that was because their special teams are so bad that a lot of opponents get short field position on them.

Speaker 4 So they don't give up a lot of yards sometimes when they're just fumbling like crazy on punt returns and shit. But yeah, it was it just took care of business.

Speaker 4 And the haters out there, they said that we couldn't make the playoffs. The haters are furious.
The haters can't believe that they would ever make such a dumb bet.

Speaker 4 And that was the goal for the Commanders this entire season, just make the playoffs. That's our Super Bowl.
And we took one step closer to that. 83% likelihood to make the playoffs now.
There you go.

Speaker 4 Had to have it. Had to have it.
Now we're going to a buy. I hate the late buys, too.
It's way too late to have a buy.

Speaker 4 But more importantly, Jayden Daniels proved that he can win in cold weather because I don't think he's ever played a game that was 41 degrees of kickoff. Oh.

Speaker 4 And he did the same thing that he does in every game, which he just stands there smiling with his hands in in his pockets. It's like an athletic bin mint.
Max.

Speaker 1 Where did you get that 80% from?

Speaker 4 83% chance to make the playoffs on the internet.

Speaker 1 I'm seeing 70%.

Speaker 4 Have they updated it with the results of today's games? Yes.

Speaker 4 I updated it and I saw.

Speaker 1 Can you guys see this computer screen? Yeah.

Speaker 4 It says 70. Yeah, go to a different website.

Speaker 4 Go to a different website because

Speaker 4 I don't think your website's good, Max. What?

Speaker 4 That is an NFL. I think you got a bad.
I don't think that they've updated it with all the the results yet.

Speaker 1 Have they updated with all the results, Max? Yes. By the way,

Speaker 5 the Titans. Maybe your 83% was before the results were updated.

Speaker 4 No, no, it was post.

Speaker 1 The Titans start was punt, punt, fumble, fumble, 11 penalties in the first half, and before they ran their ninth or their 10th offensive snap, it was 28-0. Yeah.
10th offensive snap, it was 28-0.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and hey, Cliff Kingsbury, I don't know if you listen to the pod or you just listen to literally everybody else, but very first play of the game, he put Terry McLaurin on the right side of the field.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Which he's never done this year.
And he ran the ball.

Speaker 1 And he ran the ball. And he ran the ball.
The 39 carries for 246 yards. The big question, though.

Speaker 4 Look at 85% now.

Speaker 1 Oh, it just went up in the last two minutes? Yeah.

Speaker 1 On what website? Maybe because

Speaker 1 the Niners are losing. Could be.
BFT is on Microsoft Paint right now.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I was just making my own graphic.

Speaker 1 Right here, look at this. He was just typing in.
He was just drawing his own.

Speaker 4 85%, 2% soupy.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 4 I'm liking that.

Speaker 4 I'm not thinking soupy, though. I'm not, Max.

Speaker 1 You literally just said soupy.

Speaker 4 I said, I'm reading the soupy.

Speaker 1 By saying the word soupy, that

Speaker 1 you were thinking about the literature.

Speaker 5 I never spent Thanksgiving thinking about soupy.

Speaker 4 I made a soupy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Max, are you worried? No.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 4 I can read Max a little bit.

Speaker 1 The Commanders looked awesome today.

Speaker 4 I can read Max a little bit.

Speaker 4 I played the fucking Titans.

Speaker 1 Okay, but they looked awesome.

Speaker 1 You struggled with the Ravens. You were rooting pretty hard for the Baxters.
Basically, the same thing.

Speaker 4 I thought that Max was rooting for the Bucs today because he would rather play the Bucs in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 No, they lose the Bucs.

Speaker 1 They were smoked by the Bucks. They've lost their last million games to the Bucs.

Speaker 1 They lose the Bucs both now and historically.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm just looking forward to

Speaker 4 our game coming up on December 22nd, Max. I'm hoping that gets flexed some Monday night.

Speaker 1 I feel like it could.

Speaker 4 I will be there no matter what.

Speaker 1 How are you guys, Hank and PFT?

Speaker 1 We're great.

Speaker 4 We haven't discussed anything.

Speaker 1 Do you want to discuss?

Speaker 4 I don't want to talk to Hank right now.

Speaker 5 No, I mean, I said I picked the Titans today, and I admitted that I let PFT's hatred and meanness and ugliness towards me cloud my judgment.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 5 And his hate turned into hatred.

Speaker 1 See, now you're

Speaker 1 rent free.

Speaker 5 And I, yeah, I admit it. And it was a good bounce back.
The commander showed me a lot. It's probably a bad bet.

Speaker 5 And that's it. It was never personal, so I don't know why it's got to be.

Speaker 1 How happy would you have been if the Titans won this game? That would have been

Speaker 1 quite some potting.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I would have been pretty happy.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's three teams that are a game back in the lost con.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but 85%'s a lot.

Speaker 4 Stop it, Hank.

Speaker 1 85%?

Speaker 4 Hank and I, yeah, yeah, we're at each other's throats. Don't talk.
He wishes nothing but the worst for me.

Speaker 1 That's not true. I'd root for Hank all the time.
I got the Commanders Super Bowl future.

Speaker 4 I appreciate that, Hank.

Speaker 1 You're a good player. Wait, yeah, you're 8-5 and the Bucs

Speaker 1 and the Cardinals and the Rams are 6-6.

Speaker 5 Is that what it was? You're just looking at the Commanders' record.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so if the Bucs, Cardinals, and Rams won next week, they would all be one game out.

Speaker 1 That would be bad.

Speaker 1 You got to root against that would be bad you got to root against that hard

Speaker 4 says yeah it says right here 85%

Speaker 1 at the Saints you your schedule is

Speaker 4 it's not bad no it's it basically it might come down to what type of Cowboys team's going it might come down to the Cowboys it might come down to Kirk Cousins revenge game yeah or Michael Pennix or Michael Pennix

Speaker 1 revenge game yeah for not drafting him yeah um all right well I'm happy that you guys are back together kind of Yeah, the offense looked really good today, and our defense looked good.

Speaker 1 What, Hank?

Speaker 5 Yeah, the offense looked good.

Speaker 1 The offense looked good.

Speaker 4 Say something nice about the commanders.

Speaker 5 They look great.

Speaker 5 Jane Daniels played great. Capsule Rookie of the Week.
I also let it cloud my fantasy. I benched him on fantasy, too, and I was regretting it.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 This is a great subplot that you were in PFT's head, and then now it's been reversed. But

Speaker 5 I'm going back to passively hating. I'm not going to to be betting against the commanders.
If they lose, I'm not going to be mad, but I'm not going to be putting my chips on the table.

Speaker 4 I don't think I got into Hank's head. I think Hank got into his own head.

Speaker 1 Rent-free.

Speaker 5 Well, no, you were just so mean to me that I was like, yeah, I don't want to see this guy happy.

Speaker 1 Now I want them to lose.

Speaker 4 You live rent-free in your own head.

Speaker 1 The commanders looked very good today. They did.
You get credit for killing bad teams. Yeah, they did.

Speaker 4 The defense looked pretty good, too.

Speaker 4 We needed a get-right game because we'd looked real bad over the previous three weeks. So now I get a buy.
Now I get a stress-free week of football, which I'm looking forward to. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The buys,

Speaker 1 not having to watch your team on a Sunday, well, I mean, your team has been fun. But you have three teams that are chasing you, so it's not stress-free.

Speaker 1 It sounds stressed out. No,

Speaker 1 it just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, there will be some stress.
I have stress.

Speaker 4 I feel good. I feel good because of the way that we played today.

Speaker 1 Now I'm like, you lost to Cooper Rush and the Cowboys. Yeah, but no, you don't get it.

Speaker 4 It's a magic wand. This game happened.
Now everything's fine.

Speaker 1 It was the fucking Titans. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Did you hear when I said that they have the second best defense in the NFL?

Speaker 1 Sick. It's the Titans.
Okay.

Speaker 4 They beat the Texans.

Speaker 1 They also have four wins. True.
Three wins.

Speaker 1 Three and nine. Congratulations.

Speaker 4 Listen,

Speaker 4 I'm happy. You're not going to steal my happiness.

Speaker 4 Don't be an energy vampire. Don't steal his happiness.

Speaker 1 Allow me to do that.

Speaker 1 I just want expectations. Jerry turned to him when he was up 28-0.
He was like, is this even fun for you? It's like, I want to be like, Jerry, what are you talking about?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it was a lot of fun. So much fun.

Speaker 1 It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 I wanted Marcus Berrio to get in for the second half. Play against the old team.

Speaker 1 The Sickos and Perverts, if they had to write a script,

Speaker 1 it would be

Speaker 1 the Rams catching the Commanders, Hank getting to laugh in PFT's face, then the Rams winning the Super Bowl, and I'm losing my pinky. Yep.
Honestly, I like that. I like the sound of that.

Speaker 4 Not from just an entertainment aspect.

Speaker 1 Pretty good work.

Speaker 4 Pretty good work script right there.

Speaker 1 And the Rams beat the Eagles along the way so that you get that as well. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Where,

Speaker 1 where I, where, like, I could just envision

Speaker 1 a podcast where I'm like in mid-January, where I'm like, Max, your team stink. The Rams beat you.
And he's like, you're going to lose your fucking pinky.

Speaker 4 Your Rams beat the Chargers in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, the Rams beat the Chargers in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Okay. that would probably happen.
Yeah, let's take another break and we got three more early games we want to talk about.

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Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Colts 25, Patriots 24.

Speaker 1 Hank. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Basically, exactly what we said in the preview. It was a fun game to watch because the Pat's defense is so bad.
Anthony Richardson looked really good. Drake May played.

Speaker 5 He played well. He looked like a quarterback.

Speaker 4 He won the game.

Speaker 1 His game-winning drives, he's had two game-winning drives the last three weeks that I've been very impressed with.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and he was running the ball. He was managing the game.
He didn't look like he was completely lost out there like he has against other teams.

Speaker 5 Drake May played well.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 5 I wanted them to win.

Speaker 1 You did. Joey Sly almost hit that kick.
He missed a 45 yarder.

Speaker 5 He missed a 25-yarder by 45 yards somehow.

Speaker 4 And then, yeah, they tried to kick a 65-yard field goal. 68.

Speaker 1 68. Yeah.

Speaker 4 They hit it. Tried for an NFL record.

Speaker 1 You guys doubled up their yardage, too, and just

Speaker 1 couldn't win the game in the end. Shane Steichen deserves a lot of credit for going for two.
Yeah, I respected that man. That was a ballsy move.

Speaker 4 So there was a a rumor that Juan Soto was going to be the keeper of the light before the game. What? There's a rumor out there about Jared Karabas?

Speaker 4 Instead, it was Kofi Kingston, WWE Super Sports. WWE Legends.

Speaker 1 So good company, Hank. Yeah, I thought Anthony Richardson, I mean, it's the same thing every time where

Speaker 1 some of his passes are drops.

Speaker 1 He had one interception, was very bad.

Speaker 1 He's, you know, he...

Speaker 1 threw for like 100 yards and he was he started three for three and ended up 12 for 24 but his game-winning drive deserves a lot of credit and that's that's where I'm like, oh, okay, I could see it.

Speaker 1 But I'm also not going to be like, man, he diced him up. Yeah,

Speaker 4 do you always want to beat the Colts? Does that still run your blood?

Speaker 5 No, the Colts are.

Speaker 5 I mean, they've.

Speaker 5 They have a rivalry with us. We don't really have a rivalry with them.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Rivalries back on.

Speaker 5 Peyton Manning years.

Speaker 5 Even that was a rivalry, but we've won most of those games. And then, you know, Andrew Luck, Deflate Gate, those are all domination.

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 5 the Mayo thing is going to be the interesting team with the interesting thing with this team is they're so undisciplined. There are so many penalties and they don't play good defense.

Speaker 5 So why do they keep him around as a head coach? That will be the question moving forward, offseason, etc. I feel like they're going to stick with him, but it doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 4 I feel like they might stick with him

Speaker 4 because Robert Kraft would think that that's a bad look for him to fire a coach after one year. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and there was, there's video, you know, there's videos of him being like, I knew he was going to be the next Patriots head coach five years ago. It's like, what?

Speaker 5 That was right after the Patriots won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
That's weird.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And Drake May played well.
That 41-yard run was awesome.

Speaker 1 And the interception was that was that was a Madden glitch. That was literally a Madden glitch where the ball fell on a guy who was on the ground and someone picked it up off of him.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was a good pass. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 disappointing in the loss, but everything's okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Fun loss.
How are the Celtics doing?

Speaker 5 Celtics lost.

Speaker 1 Today? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Fourth quarter lead. Collapse.
Injuries. Jalen Brown.
Derrick White didn't play.

Speaker 1 But yeah, they lost. Damn.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm sorry. How are they looking in the Sandings?

Speaker 1 Probably second place. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's fun.

Speaker 4 Any good teams that are looking pretty hot?

Speaker 5 I mean, they lost to the Cavs. The Cavs are in first, but if we played them in the playoffs, we'd probably sweep them again.

Speaker 4 Would you be afraid of the Bucs?

Speaker 1 Not afraid.

Speaker 4 Six-game winning streak. Healthy Giannis.

Speaker 5 They'd be a formidable opponent. I wouldn't be afraid.

Speaker 5 Celtics aren't afraid of anyone.

Speaker 5 Healthy Celtics beat anyone.

Speaker 1 That was funny what the Celtics did to the Bulls on Friday when

Speaker 1 they were playing for the NBA Cup, and they hit that three at the end for point differential.

Speaker 5 Hauser hit the Celtics.

Speaker 5 I felt bad about him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was very funny. But that's what the NBA Cup does.

Speaker 4 You got to get the point differential. It just means more.

Speaker 1 How are the Sixers doing on their race to get to 10 wins? I think we.

Speaker 1 So we said by Christmas.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What if we beat the Celtics on Christmas? Does that count as one of the 10? That would be a win. I'm going to count.

Speaker 4 I'm going to count that as four wins. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, but like. Christmas Day.
But it's at the start of Christmas Day or the end of Christmas Day. End of Christmas Day.
Okay, so then we can afford one loss.

Speaker 1 Wait, what if

Speaker 1 we'd have to win every game?

Speaker 4 No, I think that game should count as more than one win, though. Okay.
It's a big game. It's on Christmas.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 So, yeah, no, it's bad. You have the opportunity to ruin Hank's Christmas.
Beat the game.

Speaker 1 You know what a gift that is? Wow.

Speaker 1 There's no way. Like, we might lose that game by 50.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Is Jola going to

Speaker 4 play?

Speaker 1 I want him to get surgery on his knee and just clean it up. Just clean it up.
Just get the whole six. Just clean it up.
Take the air off. Oh, geez.
Wow. Cooper flag.
And then we're back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you opted out. You opted out.

Speaker 1 I told you I opted back in. You can't do it how it works.

Speaker 1 I already opted in. By the way, the Colts, we should say, so I love the Shane Steichen move going for two because

Speaker 1 you've got to win right now if you're the Colts. They basically, their season comes down to, they have a buy and then their game against the Broncos.

Speaker 1 If they can beat the Broncos, they legitimately could go to the playoffs. Yeah.
Because that is the team right ahead of them. And the end of their season is Titans, Giants, Jaguars.

Speaker 1 So watch out for the Colts. It would be awesome for Anthony Richardson to get, like, there are, I'll say this because I know I've been harsh on Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 1 I know that the Anthony Richardson fans have been like, you've been so mean.

Speaker 1 I feel like I've only said facts, but the game-winning drives against the Jets and the Patriots both have me being like, you know what?

Speaker 1 Keep running them out there and see if he can figure this out.

Speaker 4 Hank, if it was any other quarterback that won the game against you and then did the Fortnite L dance in your face, would you be upset?

Speaker 5 I don't know. I mean, when you're, it's that type of stuff gets you upset when you're when you're a good team and you're like fighting for something.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 We're in tankathon mode. It's like, who cares?

Speaker 1 You did leave the room very abruptly.

Speaker 5 I mean, I had a big, I had a big, which would have been more devastating when the Celtics lost, I had a big Patriots, Bruins, Celtics, because they all played today, parlay. Ah.

Speaker 1 Ah, okay.

Speaker 1 I noticed that. And now

Speaker 1 you're fourth. You're picking fourth.

Speaker 1 Who do you want?

Speaker 1 Travis Hunter? I know you're a big college football guy. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 I got to do some more analysts. Analysis.

Speaker 1 You got to do more analysts?

Speaker 4 You got to do a little more analyst.

Speaker 5 Analyst then.

Speaker 1 All right. Speaking of who's picking first.

Speaker 4 You should do that.

Speaker 4 You should make a big board. Hankalitics.

Speaker 1 Hankalitics. Drake may look good.
That's all you got to keep saying to yourself. And the interception was definitely not his fault.
That was an insane, like, how does that happen type of interception?

Speaker 1 Speaking of who's picking first, the Jaguars. Texans 23, Jaguars 20.

Speaker 1 This was basically just the Trevor Lawrence, holy shit, he got rocked game because Aziz Al Shahir, that was as bad of a pick or bad of a hit as we've seen in a long time.

Speaker 4 Yeah, head bounced off the ground

Speaker 1 starting his slide, going in forearm.

Speaker 4 So shitty.

Speaker 4 This is why it's so fucked up when Patrick Holmes is a fake slide. Yeah.
Because you're like, oh, he's not really down. And granted, Trevor Lawrence was very clearly going

Speaker 4 on this one. Yes.
It was a very dirty hit. So much so, in fact, that D'Amico Ryans, after the game, basically threw his guy into the bus and was like, we don't coach that.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean,

Speaker 1 that also hurt their defense because the second half, the Jaguars, Mac Jones, had a little bit of a comeback, made it a close game. But yeah,

Speaker 1 that was bad. And then we had

Speaker 1 the Jaguars, credit to the Jaguars, they wanted to fight right away. That was awesome.
And then Jaguars fans started throwing shit at him.

Speaker 1 I actually think that's okay in that, given those circumstances. I agree.

Speaker 4 I also like when Aziz Al-Shaheer hit him, he bounced up immediately. He was like, I didn't do it.
I didn't do anything wrong. Like, what? And then was greeted by like four sets of cleats.

Speaker 4 He looked like Biz in Scottsdale. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They all wanted to fight him, which it was good that they all had his back.

Speaker 4 He got boot fucked. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was a bad, bad hit.

Speaker 4 It was a bad hit. And I still don't really believe in the Texans, but if they're going to win football games by just feed Joe Mixon, then I think that they're a pretty good team.
Yeah, he iced out.

Speaker 4 But that's still like, I've got my doubts about him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he iced out that game.

Speaker 1 Their offense looked a little bit better because they didn't, C.J. Shard had time for once.
Yeah. He only got sacked twice.
They didn't have a ton of penalties.

Speaker 1 Their defense was bad in the fourth quarter. Mac Jones was bringing them back.

Speaker 4 I was actually shocked when I tuned into this game and looked at the screen for the first time that Doug Peterson is still their coach.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 I was surprised.

Speaker 4 I knew he hadn't been fired yet, but is he the most pre-fired person in NFL history?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think Sean Kahn was just like, I don't really want to do this right now. Yeah.
Like, I'll just wait till the end of the season.

Speaker 1 Why even do this? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Hank, what just happened? Your eyes got real big. Matt Collins scored a touchdown.

Speaker 5 Had a many time touchdown score.

Speaker 1 There we go.

Speaker 4 Because of the no shoes?

Speaker 1 Because of the no shoes. Yeah.
No shoes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's a dog. The pills are fucking good.
We'll talk about that game when it ends. By the way, Max has reached his ADD portion where he's he just stuck a quarter to his head for like five minutes.

Speaker 1 It's very weird. Yeah, I don't believe in the Texans either.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And the Jaguars.
He's changing his mind.

Speaker 1 Sit Trevor Lawrence for the rest of the year, right? Yeah, yeah. There's no reason to play him.

Speaker 4 I don't see a reason why you would bring him back.

Speaker 1 Tank, and then just basically the Jaguars are like

Speaker 1 bury the tape for the entire season.

Speaker 4 If you're the Jaguars, do you then trade the first overall pick? I think you have to, right?

Speaker 5 Possibly, yeah.

Speaker 1 Someone's vying for it.

Speaker 4 Carolina.

Speaker 1 Yeah, get a halt. I don't know.
Bryce Young is good.

Speaker 4 I know he is good. Bryce Young is good.

Speaker 1 He's fucking back.

Speaker 1 But yeah, sit him and just

Speaker 1 Jaguars just go.

Speaker 1 Jaguars don't need to be talked about anymore, essentially.

Speaker 4 Yeah, just opt out of the season.

Speaker 1 We should opt out of all Jaguars discourse.

Speaker 1 Do they play any meaningful games? Do they have any meaningful opponents left? I guess the Colts,

Speaker 1 but no. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Jaguars,

Speaker 1 we're opting out of the Jaguars. Who do we have? Officially, the

Speaker 1 They play the Titans,

Speaker 1 the Jets,

Speaker 1 the Raiders, the Titans again.

Speaker 4 Oh, awesome.

Speaker 1 We've opted out of the Jaguars. I'm done.
I'm done. We're done with the Jets.
The Jacksonville Jaguars put out a press release.

Speaker 1 The pardon my take is officially done with the 2024 Jacksonville Jaguars and any discourse surrounding them. Love that.

Speaker 1 We might, and then maybe an asterisk that says, depending on whether week 18, the Colts game has any implications. Memes actually brings up a good point.

Speaker 1 He says that this is actually massive for tankathon. Yeah.
All of those games are huge tank-a-thon tankathon games. Yeah, huge.
I guess so we're opted back in.

Speaker 4 We'll update tankathon in lieu of doing the Jaguars recap. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. We'll just do a tankathon segment.
Draft talk. That's when we'll talk about the Jaguars.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We will officially stop doing game recaps for the Jaguars games.

Speaker 1 We'll just have it be the tankathon games.

Speaker 4 I like that.

Speaker 1 Okay, last game of the early slate.

Speaker 1 Seahawks 26, Jets 21. Memes trying not to give eye contact.

Speaker 1 This was... Memes, where do you want to start?

Speaker 1 This was one of the greatest first quarters of all time by any football team ever. Okay, because I didn't know if you wanted to start with that, where the

Speaker 1 Seahawks had two fumbles on kickoffs and also gave up a 99-yard kickoff return. So they were down so fast.

Speaker 1 They were down so quickly.

Speaker 1 I thought maybe you wanted to start with the fact that Geno Smith was playing the Jets, Mark Sanchez was calling the game, game, and then someone pointed out that, and Tannenbaum is doing the coach search, and it's just, it was like basically the gang is all back together.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, or the circus. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The circus came to town. But yeah, that was an incredible start.

Speaker 1 Incredible first quarter.

Speaker 1 That's up there with the Mike White game from week eight when we beat the Bengals. Yep.

Speaker 1 I lost my train of thought.

Speaker 4 How good the first quarter was.

Speaker 1 How good the first quarter was. Incredible Incredible execution.
Devontae Adams, Aaron Rodgers, slinging it. Thought we just needed a buy.
They got going. I thought the season was saved.

Speaker 1 And then he overthrew Garrett Wilson in the end zone. Yeah, that bad one.
Oh, that was a bad one. What happened after that? It was a second.
And then it was a pick six to Leonard Williams.

Speaker 1 Where did he play? Where did he get drafted?

Speaker 1 There was a bridge team in there. But where did he get drafted originally?

Speaker 4 He was really good when he was a rookie, right?

Speaker 1 Where did he get drafted? The Jets. Oh.

Speaker 1 so it was Geno Smith who got drafted by the Jets? He did. Yeah, him too.
But there were, and Mark Sanchez got drafted by the Jets who's calling the game.

Speaker 1 There was a bridge team for all three impact players for the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 Who did Geno? And who's the third impact player? Julian Love. Oh, okay.
He caused a fumble in Brees Hall.

Speaker 1 And they were all on the Giants.

Speaker 4 What did you make of the news coming out before the game that Aaron Rodgers is unlikely to return?

Speaker 1 I was like, all right, we'll move on. And then that first quarter happened.
I was like, all right, let's just run it back. Restructure, run it back.
Yeah. Yeah, what about.

Speaker 4 He did say he's in the best shape of his life physically. Yeah.
Well, I should change that. He said

Speaker 4 he feels the best that he's ever felt physically in his life.

Speaker 1 Feels the best he's ever felt physically.

Speaker 4 And this is a man who's done a lot of awesome drugs that make you feel really good physically.

Speaker 1 So it makes sense based on that first quarter, and then you saw the deterioration throughout the game when he overthrew Devontae Adams on that fourth down. He overthrew Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 1 There was just a lot of timing mishaps. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If we had a four years younger Aaron Rodgers, it would be unreal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he said that not only is the healthys he's felt for a while, but he also said when asked about like whose fault it is, he said there's 11 guys on the field.

Speaker 1 Sometimes it's my fault, and then sometimes the details aren't there in some other spots, too.

Speaker 1 Sounds like he thinks it's other people's faults.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I saw that quote.

Speaker 1 A lot of it is his fault. Yeah.
Well, it means I got a bad stat for you.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately, this game brought Aaron Rodgers out of the top five in EPA per play this year. Damn.
All the way down to 23rd.

Speaker 4 Damn. This game?

Speaker 1 Well, I assume he was top five before that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he was top five in everything.

Speaker 10 Everything.

Speaker 1 At one point, he was top five.

Speaker 4 This is a terrible second half collapse for the Jets. Yeah.
After their offense started the season off looking so good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you guys just keep bringing up bad stats. I actually, all right, memes, I got something to maybe cheer you up.

Speaker 1 I found a bad stat, and then it ended up being, it was basically like a call the ambulance, but not for me meme, where, you know, the guy pulls a gun because Aaron Rodgers has not thrown for 300 yards in 34 games, and then I went to look it up, and obviously the last time he did it was against the Bears.

Speaker 1 Yes, week 13, 20, 21. So call the ambulance, but for me.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 I've been aware of that

Speaker 1 Yeah, so memes, what

Speaker 1 also, Aaron Rodgers had the ball with a chance to win the game with a field goal or touchdown five times this year over five.

Speaker 1 Memes, though, since we're on the talk of memes, walk us through Geno Smith after the game posted the meme of like, you know, dressed up for

Speaker 1 my haters' funeral.

Speaker 1 That meme. Yep.

Speaker 1 You were upset.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's fucked up. Talk shit when it's even score.
Oh, wait, that's a Michael Jordan meme. Yeah, that is.
Yeah, talk shit when it's even score. You won.
Go back to Seattle. Go fuck yourself.

Speaker 1 And that's it.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 You're his biggest hater. Yeah.
And today was your funeral.

Speaker 1 We're not his biggest hater. And he stopped.
Charities are his biggest hater. Oh, god.
What?

Speaker 1 Why do charities? The reason why it didn't work out on the Jets is because they show up to a charity event. And he got punched in the face.

Speaker 1 And then Ryan Fitzpatrick had the second greatest season in Jets history. So they gave Ryan Fitzpatrick a new contract.
They believed in him. Then Ryan Fitzpatrick got fat and sucked.
Whoa.

Speaker 1 He did? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because he held out for more money, which set a ripple effect to where we are now. So Geno Smith not showing up to a charity event set the Jets back 10 years to this moment.
Okay.

Speaker 4 And we're sure that he did not show up to the charity event. That's exactly what happened.

Speaker 1 He bought him a plane ticket, and he just didn't show up. Yeah, memes replied, hey, Geno, respectfully, go fuck yourself.
He's bad guess. Seems like you're not happy.

Speaker 1 Would you like him to be the next Jets quarterback? No.

Speaker 1 Good question, Max.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 given the opportunity, you would say no to Geno Smith. No.
I don't think you're in a place to be able to do that. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 you're going to have to say yes to Geno.

Speaker 4 Kirk Cousins, you would say yes to him. I think you'd probably say yes to Derek Crimson.

Speaker 1 Sam Darnold, he said yes to.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Derek Carr, I think he's a free agent, or he's going to be out of of New Orleans probably next year.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Derek R will be a wild ride. Oh, a wild ride.

Speaker 4 What a wild ride.

Speaker 1 We got Derek Carr, boys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Derek Carr, I do Derek R. You would.
Yeah. You would do Geno Smith.
No. You should say yes.

Speaker 1 You should say yes to Geno Smith. No, bad guy.
You should say yes to Geno Smith. You love memes.
You literally love memes. He's a bad guy.

Speaker 4 You're just jealous, I think. Of what?

Speaker 1 He memed you. Yeah, exactly.
He used used your weapons against you.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. That's why I brought it up, because I was like, oh, memes got memed.
He's got to be pissed about this. Yeah, but do it before the game.
Everybody talks after.

Speaker 1 You can't do that before the game. Yeah, be a man.

Speaker 1 Be a man. It doesn't make sense before the game.
Yeah, that doesn't make sense before the game.

Speaker 1 If they're your biggest hater, talk your shit before the game. But that's not the funeral.
Yeah, he killed them.

Speaker 1 So we're all black going into the game.

Speaker 4 The Jets were all black today. That's true.
How'd you like those uniforms?

Speaker 1 I love those uniforms.

Speaker 4 Aaron Rodgers looked very, very depressed in that uniform.

Speaker 1 He wore that turtleneck.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he looked like a French painter from the 1700s. Yeah, he should just retire.
Well, so he wants to play next year, I think, but according to the Jets, he's not going to be back.

Speaker 4 I've got just something I'm going to toss out there because to me, it makes sense. Aaron Rodgers on the Rams next year.

Speaker 1 What happened to Matt Safford? Jets.

Speaker 4 Matt Safford might, he might retire.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't hate it.

Speaker 4 I feel like he would want to play for McVay. And I feel like McVay would look at him and be like, I've done it before.

Speaker 1 People are saying Aaron Rodgers Titans.

Speaker 4 Aaron Rodgers Titans, another thing.

Speaker 1 He's a house in Nashville. And that does feel like he would be.

Speaker 1 That kind of fits his vibe. Yeah.
I feel like he'd do some.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he feels like Nashville. Well, think about it.

Speaker 4 So he got close to Woody Johnson because of the vaccine, right? To try to bring down the Jets from the inside. He might make his next mission to destroy the entire state of California.

Speaker 1 Ooh, that's true. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 As for the Seahawks, they are in the lead for the NSC West, and I'm starting to believe.

Speaker 4 Yeah, again, I can't figure the Seahawks out at all.

Speaker 1 Their goal line offense is so frustrating.

Speaker 4 It's not even week to week. It's quarter to quarter.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, this was a... The beginning of this game was just a comedy of errors for the Seahawks.
And I don't know what...

Speaker 1 I think they probably got to get LaVisca Chenault not returning kicks anymore because that the fun, the second fumble where he almost fumbled and then fell down and then just threw the ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 they are hard to figure out. And they had like that, that goal lines

Speaker 1 offensive set where it felt like they ran 100 plays and they ended up on like the 20-yard line.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so what's the Seahawks schedule here?

Speaker 1 I think they still have a lot of NFC West, right? I think they have to play the Rams and Cardinals again at least. So that should be...

Speaker 1 They should duke it out, figure this whole thing out on the field.

Speaker 4 I got them at 2-3.

Speaker 1 2-3?

Speaker 4 2-3 in their next 5.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. So that's probably not going to the playoffs, right? I don't know.
2-3 in their next five is going to be tough.

Speaker 4 Their two wins are against the Cardinals and the Rams. Oh.

Speaker 1 No, they're going to beat the Bears. I don't know why you would say that as a loss.

Speaker 1 Oh, they do have a tough, tough schedule, though. They needed this game today.
That was a huge win for them. Yeah.
Packers, Vikings, both at home, and Cardinals, Rams, and Bears.

Speaker 1 They should probably beat the Bears. Although that might be of the Bears' last win or next win.
Next and last win. Yeah.
Both. Combo win.
All right, so memes, are we looking at tankathon?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the first-round pick. I mean, first overall pick.

Speaker 1 You think you can get the first overall pick? We are the anti-Chiefs and manage to lose every single game. Doesn't matter how.

Speaker 4 We just figure out a way.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You have three wins.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 you're not getting the first pick, buddy. Why not? Because the Giants,

Speaker 1 Raiders, and Jackson, and the Jaguars, one of those teams is not winning another game. Maybe the Giants.

Speaker 1 You're not getting the first pick. Are you taking a quarterback?

Speaker 1 There are no quarterbacks. What do you mean? Shadur? No.
Cam Ward? No.

Speaker 1 Carson Beck?

Speaker 1 Gart.

Speaker 1 Oh, I found his Georgia.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 you don't want that memes.

Speaker 1 If you look at Carson Peck,

Speaker 1 tall, big arm, kind of stupid.

Speaker 1 There's one of those in the AFC East right now.

Speaker 4 Oh, stop it. Stop it.
Don't do that.

Speaker 1 Who are you talking about, Josh Allen? I'm saying Carson Peck is Josh Allen. Josh Allen's insane.

Speaker 1 Not the athleticism of Josh Allen, but those

Speaker 1 are stupid. Josh Allen's not stupid.
There used to be a meme that it was just like if Josh Allen was as stupid, and it would just be like highlights of Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen's not stupid, stupid, though. He's actually

Speaker 1 go full Josh Allen. Yeah, he goes crazy.
He goes crazy, crazy. He's totally different.

Speaker 1 That's not stupid. No, no, no, big difference.

Speaker 4 Crazy is crazy rocks. Crazy.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen. Yeah.
Yeah. When he goes full Josh Allen, he's like, I'm Josh Allen.
I could do anything. Yeah.
It's not really stupid.

Speaker 4 It's just like too much confidence. You ever date a stupid chick?

Speaker 4 You ever date a crazy chick? Yes.

Speaker 1 Crazy chicks.

Speaker 1 They're called the Jets.

Speaker 1 It's a crazy chick every fall. Oh, memes.
Yeah, Carson Beck, I could also get behind Jalen Milro. Okay.

Speaker 1 No, what?

Speaker 1 No, no. He's so fast.
What? Yes, he's fat. Yeah, he is fast.
No, memes is right. No, memes is right.
There are moments where if we had a mobile quarterback this year.

Speaker 1 Mobile. No, memes.
Memes. One that's hanging from the season? Memes, I will not let you draft Jalen Millro.
You cannot do that. No, not first round.
Not first round. I know, but still.

Speaker 1 Bluntman wants a Nussmeier. Oh, yeah, he's sussy for Nussy.
Yep. Okay.

Speaker 1 Nussmeier's got a hose.

Speaker 1 All right, let's

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Speaker 1 Okay, afternoon games,

Speaker 1 Bucks26 Panthers 23 PFT, I have a question for you. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yes. What happened in those three weeks that Bryce Young got benched?

Speaker 4 He became him.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. And I know they lost this game, but it wasn't his fault because

Speaker 1 he had a touchdown drive with 30 seconds left. He had

Speaker 1 basically a field goal drive in overtime to win the game if it wasn't for a Hubbard fumble, which was an incredible strip sack, by the way, by Anthony Nelson. But Bryce Young is a different dude.

Speaker 4 Dude, he looks good. Bryce Young looks very, very good.
He looks comfortable. I think it was like getting benched and then all the trade talk and things like that.

Speaker 4 He realized, oh, fuck, I'm going to have to move. And then he got a chance to play again.
He was like, I don't want to pack up all my shit.

Speaker 4 This is, I'm playing now, not just for my, I'm playing so that I don't have to move again.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I mean, the Panthers they lost this game. Again, it was no, I'm going to count this as a win for the Panthers.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, it's not going to count in the official standings, but this is as good as a win for the Panthers.

Speaker 1 But they've officially, I mean, my power rankings last week had them graduated officially from ass, which they've been in ass for, I don't know, like 30 consecutive weeks.

Speaker 1 They are a spoiler frisky team that, oh, man, are they building something for next year where, hey, we have Bryce Young. He's not so bad.

Speaker 1 We could maybe use our first-round draft pick and get him a really good receiver or an offensive lineman or someone on defense.

Speaker 1 The Panthers, it's crazy how different the outlook looks for the Panthers if Bryce Young... is a decent quarterback.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Maybe they had him playing Scout Team Safety as the backup quarterback. He got to see the offense from a different perspective.
It unlocks something, and now he's good all of a sudden.

Speaker 4 And this game probably turned out as good as it could for the Panthers because you don't win the game. You don't screw up your draft pick.
Bryce Young plays well. He leads you on a game-tying drive.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 4 And he doesn't fuck up in overtime. He led you on a game-winning drive in overtime.
Yeah. And then somebody else, was it Chuba Hubbard that

Speaker 4 he didn't screw up the game in overtime? That was a running back who you already trust and believe in. And it's not like you're going to look at Hubbard and be like, oh, fuck this guy from now on.

Speaker 4 No, you still like that guy. So it all actually comes out to just as good as a win, pretty much for the Panthers.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the Bucs,

Speaker 1 they needed this game because you have the Falcons losing. And now the Bucs are tied for the NFC South.
They lose the tiebreaker, obviously, to the Falcons because they lost twice to them.

Speaker 1 But the Bucs are very much in the thick of it. Could not lose this game.
Baker was not great today, but they were like, hey, we're just going to run Bucky Irving down your throat, and it worked.

Speaker 1 And shout out Todd Bowles, because I think he is one of the more conservative, meek coaches when it comes to in-game decisions and risk-taking.

Speaker 1 I like that he tried to get that extra five yards with six seconds left, and they ran that, like getting the ball back with 30 seconds, they ran those 30 seconds perfectly to get into field goal range to get it into overtime.

Speaker 1 Because if they had lost this game, I know their season wouldn't be over, but it would have felt over because it was like you just had everything fall in your lap the Falcons lose they're they're absolutely skidding

Speaker 1 you can now take the NFC south you could even maybe sneak into the

Speaker 1 playoffs another way although the commanders do have 87% chance but I believe it's 85 85 the Bucks are are like back they they had a like I think the Bucs are a very good team that had a really really tough stretch of schedule that that fucked them up well it coincided with their worst injuries Yeah, their worst injuries at the same time as the worst part of the schedule.

Speaker 1 But now they have, you know, the only game that is against a team over 500 left is the Chargers. So they have five games left.

Speaker 1 Let's even say they go 4-1. That's a 10-7 record that should

Speaker 1 potentially win them the South. And if not, could potentially get them into the playoffs in a good way.
Yeah, they could.

Speaker 4 The Bucs, you don't want to play them in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 And honestly, I feel happy for Panthers fans because you get to enjoy watching football again on Sundays without feeling like a complete degenerate of just making an appointment for your own torture and then just scheduling out the rest of your day.

Speaker 4 You're going to feel like shit because you saw a miserable product.

Speaker 4 But as for the Bucs, I feel like you might be very frustrated at the end of the season looking back, being like, we were a much better team than our record says that they were. And they probably were.

Speaker 4 I think no matter what happens, I feel like the Bucs, by the way that the injuries happened to them, and even through the injuries, they kept playing well.

Speaker 4 But if it weren't for those, then you can definitely point back and say, we should have won this division if they don't.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Falcons' overtime loss was the one that they'll look back and be like, how did that happen? Because that game could end up deciding everything. But I'm a believer in the Bucs.

Speaker 1 I'm a believer in Baker Mayfield. I think this team is poised to go on a run to get into the playoffs.
And this was the game, though. Like, if they had lost this game, it would have been...

Speaker 1 disastrous for them.

Speaker 1 It wouldn't have been disastrous and like they still would have been very much alive. It felt disastrous because that's a game that you got to win.

Speaker 1 And they have the Raiders coming up, and you got to win that one, too. And then you're going to be looking around and being like, hey,

Speaker 1 we're okay. Like, we might actually win this NFC South because I believe the Falcons have a tougher schedule because the Falcons play the Vikings next.

Speaker 4 It's pretty much a coin flip between the Falcons and the Bucs to win that division right now.

Speaker 4 And then I'd say a pretty high likelihood that second place in the NFC South is going to get in over an NFC West team.

Speaker 1 Wait, No, PFD.

Speaker 4 If the Falcons get in, you're out.

Speaker 1 There is no NFC.

Speaker 1 You're the team. How? How do you figure?

Speaker 1 You're the seventh team. Oh, 55% chance.

Speaker 4 I forgot about the Vikings and the Packers.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You can't have an NFC. You can't have a second NFC West or a second NFC South team go on a run.

Speaker 4 So right now, the Bucs are at 50%,

Speaker 4 49%.

Speaker 4 Listen, I'm looking at the spreadsheet right now. It says 85%.

Speaker 4 Is the New York Times lying to me?

Speaker 1 The playoffs are the needle lying.

Speaker 4 That's your source?

Speaker 1 The playoffs are as set as set could be in the NFC if you're a Commanders fan.

Speaker 1 It's just the Vikings, Packers, and Lions are all in, and the Eagles, and then you just have to have it be a one-bid league between the NFC West and the NFC South. That's it.
Okay,

Speaker 1 if that happens, you're in.

Speaker 4 I'll be fully transparent. I went to NFL.com.
I went to ESPN, and I went to the New York Times Athletic. They all have calculators.

Speaker 4 I chose to stay on the one that had myself at the highest percentage. Got it.

Speaker 1 85. Got it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 you're going to actually have a very big week 17 game against the Falcons. Against the Falcons.
That could be

Speaker 1 a shifter of everything.

Speaker 4 If it were up to me and I got to decide the Falcons or the Bucs get it, I would want the Bucs.

Speaker 4 I want to watch more Bucs football than I want to watch Falcons.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's supposed to be. You just said both.

Speaker 5 Yeah, why not both? Why not both?

Speaker 1 Why not both? Do you want to just invite both?

Speaker 4 No, I don't want to.

Speaker 4 No. I think they're both very.

Speaker 1 I like the Seahawks and the Rams. You want to invite both of them?

Speaker 4 No, I hate them.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's our previous conversation. It's like 85%, and then you realize those three teams, yeah, it's the Bucs, the Cardinals, the Rams, all sitting there being like, hey, we want in.

Speaker 1 Well, here's where I don't get it. The only way they get in is if you get out.

Speaker 4 85% for the Commanders. And then the Bucs, 49%.

Speaker 1 But that's because of the division.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I know. Then the Cardinals and the Rams, both 35%, 27%.

Speaker 4 Right. Because of the division.
Because of the division.

Speaker 1 Their path to win right now, to get in is the division.

Speaker 4 Singular focus, get into the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Again, next week, you just need the Bucs, the Cardinals, and Rams to somehow all lose.

Speaker 1 I don't know who the Cardinals and Rams play. They play each other.
That would be good. Well, that'd be good and bad.
Tie.

Speaker 1 A tie would probably fuck some shit up.

Speaker 1 Possibly break your brain even more.

Speaker 4 I was rooting hard for a tie in the Bucs Panthers game. It would have been a full tie.

Speaker 4 I like to have one tie per year, at least, just to have that little dash one at the end to fuck everything up with the schedules. Yeah.
It looks nice.

Speaker 4 And then you can just revert back to the 16-game schedule mindset where you're like, oh, they're going to finish 8-8 and 1.

Speaker 1 My brain still kind of fucks up every now with the 16-17 game. I know that's stupid to say.

Speaker 1 Cardinals play the Seahawks and the Bills play the Rams. The Rams play the Bills, so you could get double losses there.

Speaker 4 Let's go double loss.

Speaker 1 The Bucs play the Raiders, though, so that's probably not going to be a loss. That's okay.
But the Falcons play the Vikings, so that could be a loss. That's good.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Disaster

Speaker 1 next week is if the Falcons, if somehow the Falcons, Bucs,

Speaker 1 Cardinals, and Rams all won, you know what you should do is you should parlay all four of them. It's going to work.
Just as like a

Speaker 1 anti- Don't lose the week parlay. Yeah, don't lose the bye week parlay.
Just bet all four of those teams to win. So if you somehow, if they somehow do, you at least won a huge bet.

Speaker 4 Listen, we control our own destiny.

Speaker 1 You do probably control your own destiny. Yes.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 you control your own destiny. That's all you can ask for this time of year.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You control your own destiny. Don't lose a game that you shouldn't.
Don't lose a game you're not supposed to lose.

Speaker 4 I don't plan on it.

Speaker 1 That's really what it comes down to because

Speaker 1 aren't your games besides the Eagles pretty easy?

Speaker 4 Saints win Falcons win. Thank you, Hank.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the Eagles. That's a toss-up.
Cowboys win.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you can't say that. You can't say it anymore.

Speaker 1 Revenge.

Speaker 1 Just don't lose a game you're supposed to win. I won't.

Speaker 1 Actually, you know what? You should do is you get the Saints are a must-win. You have to win that game.
If you beat the Saints, I think you'll be good. The Saints are a must-win.

Speaker 4 The Saints must win.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because if you lose the Saints game, you're in deep doo-doo. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Then we got to beat the Eagles. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right. Yep.
Yeah. Saints are a must-win.
Must-win next week or two weeks from now.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the Bucs, I agree with you. I'd like the Bucs to be in the playoffs.
They're fun. They'll cause some havoc.

Speaker 1 Also, the Bucs, if you go off the BCS model, the Bucs do have two very good wins because they beat the Lions and the Eagles. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So they have two of the most impressive wins in the entire season. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, they're a very good team when they play well. I also like rooting for Bucky.
He's fun to cheer on.

Speaker 1 Bucky Irving is fun.

Speaker 1 Okay. Also, Stephen Shea being

Speaker 1 disavowed by the Bucs was great, although he had the ultimate Stephen Shea spin zone. He's like, if I'm no longer a Bucs fan, then that means I'm eligible for the ring of honor.

Speaker 1 So, and he actually meant that.

Speaker 4 But also, the person that would put him in the ring of honor is the person who disavowed him from being a Bucs fan.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Okay. Rams, 21, Saints, 14.
I feel like this was the end of Rizzy Ball. We had the first half where the Saints defense was flying around.
The Rams couldn't do anything.

Speaker 1 It was actually the first time that Sean McVay has been shut out in a first half in his career.

Speaker 1 And then Matthew Safford woke up and so did Kyron Williams, and he started throwing darts everywhere. And Rizzy Ball is maybe dead.

Speaker 4 I feel like as Taysom Hill goes, so goes Rizzy Ball. Yeah.
So he got hurt. He got carted off.

Speaker 1 Hope he's okay.

Speaker 4 But that's really, Rizzy was leaning heavily into just using Taysom all the time. Yeah.
And yeah, you're not going to be able to do that now.

Speaker 4 And I feel like the Saints are, the Saints without Taysom Hill and Rizzy as the coach, to me, are the exact same team as the Saints with Taysom Hill and Dennis Allen as a coach.

Speaker 4 Yes, I'd agree with you. It's kind of not fun and boring.

Speaker 1 Also, Florida State has one victory this year. Jared Verse should win Defensive Rookie of the Year.
He's a beast, and he ended this game. No, oh, oh, Cooper Dejine?

Speaker 1 Quinyan Mitchell. Quinny and Mitchell, yeah, that's true.
And Cooper, but they'll split votes.

Speaker 1 They will probably split votes. But the Rams are back alive.
Yeah, very badly. They needed this win badly.

Speaker 1 And it looked in the first half like they weren't going to get it.

Speaker 4 And I have no idea what's going to happen in that division. It's just a log jam.
Would you,

Speaker 1 what about the Seahawks and Rams getting it?

Speaker 4 Yeah, you could get two teams in. You could squeak two teams in.

Speaker 4 It's a possibility. Everyone would hate it if that happened.

Speaker 1 Could be two teams from that division.

Speaker 4 This is boy math, and I'm failing at it right now.

Speaker 1 Actually, I feel like the NFC West is going to weirdly be decided

Speaker 1 by how much fight the 49ers have left. Yeah.
Because if the 49ers, the 49ers already played the Seahawks twice,

Speaker 1 if they kind of quit, they have the Rams and Cardinals left. That could help the Rams and Cardinals.

Speaker 4 I'm just looking at it like if you were in a bad situation, like you were running from the cops and you and your buddies had one coach

Speaker 4 from the NFC West that had to help you get out of the jam, who would that be? And that would probably be Sean McVay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, although

Speaker 1 I feel like Jonathan Gannon would do something weird.

Speaker 4 He's got some connects in the underground, yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel like Jonathan Gannon would come up with a plan that would work like one out of 100 times, but when it works, it would be incredible.

Speaker 4 Sean McVay would be kind of like a better call saw, like a shady-ass lawyer that could get you off on a technicality.

Speaker 1 Jonathan Gannon would be like, hey, let's just hide like under this inflatable pool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or like, let's hide in this trash can. And it would work one out of 100 times.
And then the other 99 times they'd have the dogs and they would get you.

Speaker 4 Kyle Shannon would be like, let's call my dad. Yeah, he'll get us out of this.
Kyle Shanahan would just choke. Not actually, yeah.
Not a bad strategy. Just like get your dad on the case, but this is

Speaker 4 a fucked up division.

Speaker 1 Oh, weird. Jared versus actually the Azam favorite? Oh.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's minus 110. Oh, okay, so it wasn't crazy for me to say that.

Speaker 1 I mean, you said he's the rookie of the year.

Speaker 1 I said he might win rookie, defensive rookie of the year. You said he is the defensive rookie of the year.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 All right, so you know what? I'll say that. He is the defensive rookie of the year.
All right, we'll see. We will see.
That's why they play the games. That's why they play the games.

Speaker 1 That's why they play the games, buddy. Cooper Dejine's going to get split votes.
That's your problem. People are going to want to vote for Cooper.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 the Rams are another team where it'd be fun to see them in just because Matthew Stafford. Anything is possible with Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 4 One last ride.

Speaker 1 It's basically when he just turns it on. He's like,

Speaker 1 the first half was

Speaker 1 so bad for the Rams, and then he's like, yeah, you know what? I'm I'm Matthew Stafford. Let me do this play action and let me hit everyone.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah, I have Cooper Cup and I have Puka Nakua.

Speaker 1 Demarcus Robinson was getting big passes down the field. All right.

Speaker 1 I think that's all the games, right?

Speaker 4 I think that's it.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 4 All right, so who's back of the week?

Speaker 1 Who's back of the week? It's fine. There's not much to say.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's do it. Eagles are really good.
All right, let's do it. Bills 35,

Speaker 1 Niners, 10.

Speaker 1 All right, Max, Eagles, 24, Ravens, 19.

Speaker 1 I think the Eagles might be for real.

Speaker 1 If they beat the Panthers. Well, I mean, they only beat the Ravens by five.
Yeah. It was a close game.
Max was so mad at the end.

Speaker 1 He's like, I don't want them to score so people would think it was close.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you want it to be double digits.

Speaker 1 You wanted the casuals, the box score watchers,

Speaker 1 to be like, hey, yeah, we beat them 24-12. People who read the newspaper for their scores.
Instead, they see 24-19. They're like, ooh, tight one.
It wasn't a tight one. No, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 The Eagles are awesome. Saquon Barkley is incredible.

Speaker 1 Tell us everything, Max. I mean, there's not really much to say.
The Eagles are what they are.

Speaker 1 They start off slow, and then by the end of it, the defenses just get worn down by Saquon, and he just goes off in the third and fourth quarter. Yeah.
So it's just like

Speaker 1 their defense is elite. The defense is incredible.
Real.

Speaker 1 I wish I could say that they held on the 12 points. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, 12 sounds so much better. 12 is better.

Speaker 1 And Justin Tucker, though, is he's washed. He actually sucks.
You actually need to cut him, I think, if you're the raid.

Speaker 4 So Harbaugh said that

Speaker 4 he wasn't going to kick him out. Now, what Justin Tucker should have done is four weeks ago, faked an injury.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 You can't get cut.

Speaker 4 You're going to make John Harbaugh cut you. He doesn't want to have to cut you.
This is an old yeller situation. Yes.

Speaker 4 Where he will shoot you in the head behind the shed if you let this drag out far enough. And just don't make him do that.
He doesn't want to do that.

Speaker 1 No, you don't want that to be a good thing. But it's bad because everyone knows it's an issue.
And he's

Speaker 1 going to hopefully be playing in big-time playoff games, and it's an issue.

Speaker 1 It went from a sure thing, this is our secret weapon, to a very big issue.

Speaker 4 Just make up an injury for yourself. Yeah.
You get a bad groin.

Speaker 1 It's bad. It's an issue.

Speaker 4 It's an issue. Yeah, it's really.
So right now this year he's kicking at 73%,

Speaker 4 which is 36th in the NFL.

Speaker 4 So he's worse than every starting kicker in the NFL. And then, what, five backups? Worse than those guys.

Speaker 1 That's really bad. It's bad.

Speaker 4 That's a really bad point today.

Speaker 4 It's going to be a problem for him in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's going to be a very big problem. Do we want to do narratives on

Speaker 1 MVP? Lamar lost it today. Saquon and Josh Allen.
Two-man race.

Speaker 1 I don't want to say that. I mean, I just like to just be knee-jerk.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't think he actually lost it because he could probably, depending on if he has primetime games, which that's really what it comes down to.

Speaker 1 You just have to be a one- or two seed and have enough prime-time games at the end to have everyone be like, oh, shit, he's the best.

Speaker 4 Yeah, even a great Thursday night game would help at this point.

Speaker 4 As somebody that has a future on Lamar Jackson win MVP, I don't want to say it's a two-horse race just yet, but I will say it's not looking good.

Speaker 1 No, no, it's not looking good. No.

Speaker 1 Because not because Lamar is playing bad. It's that Josh and Saquon are playing incredible.
Saquon had another

Speaker 1 100-plus yards.

Speaker 1 Is he on 2K watch? Oh, yeah. Big time, right? Big time 2K watch.
What is he at right now? Are you going to make a shirt for 2K?

Speaker 1 Sure. Yeah, you might as well.

Speaker 1 I had a real great glimpse of Eagles fandom just a minute ago before we walked in here. So our president, Pug, President Pug is an Eagles fan as well.
And Max Max and Pug were having a disagreement.

Speaker 1 Pug was saying that

Speaker 1 he wasn't satisfied with the win because the Eagles didn't score in the first and third quarter.

Speaker 4 That's good. That's a winning mentality.

Speaker 1 He's like, I would have liked to see the first and third quarter have more points.

Speaker 4 Your first quarter sucked, Max.

Speaker 1 Our first quarters suck all year.

Speaker 4 You got to figure that out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's at 1,500 yards right now. And how many games does he have left? Have you guys had your buy? Yes, I think we have five games left.
Yeah, five games. So he's going to get it.

Speaker 1 He's average 100 yards a game. Yeah.
100 yards a game is not a problem for Saquon.

Speaker 1 That's not a problem. Who do you guys have an easy schedule?

Speaker 1 Oh, you play the Steelers. The Steelers and Commanders are tough.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're putting

Speaker 1 Commanders tough. I like that.

Speaker 4 I appreciate it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Respect division games are tough. Toughish.

Speaker 1 Giants with no Dexter Lawrence. Yep.
Do you have him twice? Do you have the Giants twice?

Speaker 1 No, we go Panthers. Oh, 100.
Steelers. 75.
Commanders. 100.

Speaker 1 Cowboys, Giants. 150.
Yeah. 150.

Speaker 1 That's it. He did it.
You got it. He got it.
Congrats to Saquon Barkley on his 10,000 yards. Yes.
MVP. That's incredible.
I have his MVP 5-1. Oh, hell yeah.
Yep. Love that for you, Max.
Not 20-1 like

Speaker 1 the other guy that we have. Who? Who's that? The Heisman.
Oh.

Speaker 1 I can't remember. I got confused to have him 40 to 1.
Oh. I don't look at my bets that much.

Speaker 4 When you said 20 to 1, I thought you were talking about Lamar, who I do have 20 to 1. But then Lord's got 20 to 1 also on Travis.
I just looked it up.

Speaker 1 Oh, Travis Hunter. That's right.
Travis Hunter.

Speaker 4 Very interesting guy.

Speaker 1 We were going to find out about this guy.

Speaker 1 We got to learn about him.

Speaker 4 Who is Travis Hunter? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Seems like a nice guy.

Speaker 1 Are the Ravens...

Speaker 1 They're in trouble now. Not trouble, but...

Speaker 1 It's going to be hard to win the AFC North.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they're in trouble for homefield. Right.

Speaker 1 And that AFC North, like,

Speaker 1 and, oh, man, that would be. Imagine if they matched up with the Steelers.
I don't think, I think they, actually, right now they would.

Speaker 1 If the playoffs started today, it would be Steelers hosting Ravens.

Speaker 4 I think we as a country deserve that. Yeah.
We deserve to have Ravens, Steelers in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 It would be Chargers and Texans, which is a winnable game for

Speaker 5 a Saturday game all day. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's

Speaker 4 a third Saturday game.

Speaker 1 Steelers, Ravens, they would maybe do the Monday night game. Yeah.
Remember, we have that Monday night game, which is such a shitty disadvantage.

Speaker 4 You want to look at the playoff matchups right now and say when they would be played?

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure. Okay.

Speaker 4 So we've got.

Speaker 1 This is fun.

Speaker 4 The Bills and the Broncos.

Speaker 1 Bills and Broncos, I think, would be the Sunday early game, like the noon kickoff.

Speaker 4 That might be Saturday night.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think so. I think the Packers-Eagles would be Saturday night.
You have

Speaker 1 Sunday.

Speaker 5 That's Sunday, like 4 o'clock.

Speaker 5 Wait, that's a...

Speaker 1 No, so the Eagles. Commanders, Eagles.
Commanders, Eagles. That would be maybe Saturday night.
They would want to put the Eagles on a night. They like that shit.

Speaker 1 Packers, Seahawks, that would be Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 4 Falcons, Vikings.

Speaker 5 Maybe Monday night. Maybe

Speaker 5 Saturday night.

Speaker 1 Maybe Monday night.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they probably would sprinkle that in as a Monday night game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Steelers-Ravens would be Saturday night or Monday night.

Speaker 1 That would be be the night.

Speaker 5 I feel like Sunday, Sunday one, and four are like the NFL's best slots, though.

Speaker 1 No, Sunday night. Night.
Night. Night.

Speaker 4 So you'd definitely have to do Steelers-Ravens. That's a Sunday night game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. For sure.
Steelers, Ravens, Sunday night.

Speaker 1 This is really stupid.

Speaker 1 Chargers?

Speaker 4 The problem is we've got two candidates for early Saturday games. All right, I'm writing this out.
Yeah, we've got two candidates for early Saturday games. One would be the Vikings at the Falcons.

Speaker 4 Texans should

Speaker 5 have fathered into that slot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Chargers at Texans is the first game.

Speaker 4 Okay, that's game one.

Speaker 1 Saturday night. Hold on, I'm just filling in the spots that I know.
Okay. This is good.
Broncos. No, this is good.
Broncos at Bills is the noon Sunday game.

Speaker 1 The afternoon game is going to be

Speaker 1 Packers at Eagles or Seahawks. Packers at Seahawks.

Speaker 1 And then the Sunday night game is going to be Steelers-Ravens. All right? Yep.
Then we have Monday night and Saturday night to fill in. And I believe Saturday night

Speaker 1 would be

Speaker 1 shit.

Speaker 4 Pills, Broncos?

Speaker 1 No, they have that Sunday at noon. No, Saturday night would be

Speaker 1 Saturday night would be Eagles, Commanders. Then they would put the Falcons, Vikings,

Speaker 1 the whole Kirk Cousins thing on Monday night football. Okay.
I feel good about that.

Speaker 4 That's a hell of a weekend of football. I feel good about that.

Speaker 1 I'm excited for it. I can't wait.

Speaker 1 There's going to be so many changes to the scening and everything.

Speaker 4 But think about it. That's like we just planned out a perfect weekend of football with those.
Yes. That makes complete sense.
Now I'm kind of attached to that schedule.

Speaker 1 And it's December. This is when we start thinking about this stuff.
This is when you start putting it in your head, like, hey, playoff football. There's really those

Speaker 1 three weeks where you have the whole NFL playoffs, it's the best because it's basically the middle of the week is just irrelevant in my brain.

Speaker 1 Where it's like, just get me to the playoff games, and every playoff game, you just sit there and soak it in. Oh,

Speaker 1 love it, love it. And it's all the roads to New Orleans.
Max, have you thought

Speaker 1 about

Speaker 1 Max being in New Orleans? Being in New Orleans. Of course, I do.
With the Eagles. Of course I do.
I'd be kind of mad at you because that means we'd have to stay longer

Speaker 1 because you would have to go to the game.

Speaker 1 I would get so drunk that Saturday night.

Speaker 4 We would need to hire hire you your own big dom.

Speaker 4 Like a big dom impersonator to follow you around and try to keep you sober.

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 1 No. He's got to go all out.
We've got to let him just do whatever he wants to do.

Speaker 4 You should hire your own big dom.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yeah, no, that's what would really need to happen.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Maybe we should go to the Super Bowl with him.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't know about that.
I've never been to a Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 It's pretty fun.

Speaker 1 It would be fun to go with Max.

Speaker 1 Me and Roan. Well, Rowan would have to go, too.
Yeah, Roan would come. Roan would be invited for sure.

Speaker 1 Run it back. Yeah, run it back.

Speaker 4 I would not be able to cheer on the Eagles in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 I did it last time because of the future. Oh, Bills, yeah.

Speaker 1 If the Bills win, we'd have to go because we

Speaker 1 probably get to go into the locker room after.

Speaker 4 Dude, I would be sitting next to Ed and Alicia.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, yeah.
We're the best all week. We should talk Bills, Niners.
Bills are awesome. 35-10, they won.
Niners are broken. Christian McCaffrey, the Walls are back.

Speaker 4 PCL is what they said.

Speaker 5 Bonus snow game, too. I feel like you only usually get one a year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was an awesome. I mean, the Bills are just built for the snow.
It's like the running game, Josh just being able to throw.

Speaker 1 By the way, congrats to Josh getting engaged, then scores two touchdowns. Has a throwing.

Speaker 1 He had a passing touchdown, a receiving touchdown, and a rushing touchdown. And his receiving touchdown was passed by himself.

Speaker 4 Getting engaged, loving it in the snow. This is a guy that does not need dome.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 There it is.

Speaker 5 Christian McCaffrey's calf exploded. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think it was PCL. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it looked like his calf exploded. The Niners are season from hell.
It's season from hell.

Speaker 4 This is one of those games where the snow affected one team way, way, way worse than the other. Yes.
Like the 49ers looked like they couldn't walk out there. Yes.

Speaker 4 And the Bills were just doing whatever they wanted.

Speaker 1 Did Matt Milano play in this game?

Speaker 1 Or doing work during it?

Speaker 4 I actually don't know.

Speaker 1 But he's back. He's going to be back.
Like, the Bills, man.

Speaker 5 They made a comment. I don't know if it's because they're just building

Speaker 5 like Green Bay has with the heated turf, but they mentioned they were talking to Josh and how.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Matt Milano was in the game. He played.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 When they're in the new stadium, the weather might not matter as much.

Speaker 4 That's something that you say when you're building a new stadium.

Speaker 5 Yeah, like the stadium's right next to the stadium.

Speaker 4 The pit is right next to it.

Speaker 5 Whoever was calling over, we were talking to Josh before the game, and I was asking him, you know,

Speaker 5 the the weather when you're in the new stadium won't be as much of a factor. Are you going to miss this place? And he was just like, no.

Speaker 4 Are they saying that they're going to leave the old stadium up so it's going to shield the new stadium from the wind?

Speaker 5 I don't know. Or I think

Speaker 5 it's like a heated field that can melt the snow.

Speaker 1 No, it also is, it's also, there's like,

Speaker 1 it's not a roof, but it's like a partial roof, so it probably is not going to be as windy. I would imagine.
Like, if you look at it, it looks like

Speaker 1 half the, yeah, half of the stands have a roof over it. Oh, yeah, from the window.
So it definitely

Speaker 1 won't be as windy as the old stadium.

Speaker 4 They should just keep building new stadiums just in between all their old stadiums until it's 100% insulated from the wind.

Speaker 1 You ever seen that picture where they're,

Speaker 1 I think it was four. I think there was four.
All four of the Milwaukee Bucks where they played were all like up at one point.

Speaker 4 What do you mean?

Speaker 1 Like, the Bucs played. Can you look this up? The Milwaukee Bucks, all four of their stadiums.
So they built their new stadium before they demolished the old one.

Speaker 1 And then the one they played in like 50 years ago was like an auditorium that was across the street. So it was like all of their history was all within like one block.
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 It was pretty cool. It's a cool picture.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you can find it. You didn't really.
What did you search? Just Buck Stadium? Buck Stadium history. No, all four.

Speaker 4 Pug was so good at this. Maybe.

Speaker 1 Pug. I mean,

Speaker 1 this is an impossible fucking picture. All right, let's see if I can find accomplished features no less than five days ago.
Stadiums in one picture. Milwaukee.
Maybe it was three.

Speaker 1 It might have been three.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I saw it once and it was fucking cool.

Speaker 1 Here?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah, there it is.

Speaker 4 Three NBA arenas all in a row. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's pretty cool. And I think the fourth was like an auditorium across the street.

Speaker 4 It's pretty cool. I like that.
It's like the evolution poster.

Speaker 1 Yeah, isn't that cool?

Speaker 1 I'm happy happy that we stopped for that.

Speaker 1 Good job, Max, for finding that. Yeah, good job, Max, for finding that.

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Speaker 1 Let's do week 13. We're in December.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl matchups around the room. Memes, would you like to start?

Speaker 1 Give it to us. Super Bowl matchups? Super Bowl matchup.

Speaker 1 We're week 13. We haven't.

Speaker 1 I don't know if our predictions, what our preseason predictions were. Remember when Max

Speaker 1 picked the... Or no, he made fun of me for picking Vikings over? Or no, you picked Vikings under.

Speaker 1 No, you made fun of me for picking Vikings under.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I was.

Speaker 1 I'm still waiting for my apology. My apology.
So waiting for my apology. Did you take it? I'm still waiting for my apology.

Speaker 1 I did not.

Speaker 1 We're in California for grit week, dude.

Speaker 1 Memes.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go Ravens Vikings. Oh, I thought it was gross.
Yes, he should have gone Jeff State. That is gross.
Purple. That's a

Speaker 4 ugly Super Bowl. Why would you.

Speaker 1 That was a vibe killer. Darnold.
He's Darnold's guy now. All right, Hank.

Speaker 5 Vibe

Speaker 5 booster. Yes.
Lions Bills. Yes, that's mine.

Speaker 1 That's mine. Bills Lions.

Speaker 5 You got to just think about what, like, I am a neutral party in New Orleans, and what do I want to see?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 5 And it's Bills and Lions fans just taking over Berbie Street.

Speaker 1 Sneaky backup to Bills Lions in terms of fan bases, Lions Steelers.

Speaker 1 Steelers fans in New Orleans Orleans would be all-time as well.

Speaker 4 That'd be something. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, Bill's Lions.

Speaker 4 Okay. That's it.
Maybe Chargers Lions. Oh, Chargers really good.

Speaker 1 Hank would be Arthur Meme.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go with

Speaker 1 best thing for Barstool, Eagles Steelers. Oh.

Speaker 1 Steelers. Wow.
Then we would have to go to the game. No, actually, no, we'd be streaming.
Yeah, we would stream.

Speaker 1 We'd stream back here. That would actually be great because then we can come back.

Speaker 4 I mean, if it's Bills Lions, I think everybody's happy except for the money.

Speaker 5 You're not going to let Jerry go to the game.

Speaker 1 That's like a once-in-a-lifetime stream. The Eagles Steelers would be Eagles Steelers, put Gruden right in between the two of them.
I think Jerry would quit. I don't think he has an option.

Speaker 4 I think he'd quit. I think he'd be like, I'm going to go work for Mr.
Beast. No,

Speaker 1 he could go to the parade.

Speaker 1 I don't know. The Super Bowl is also like...
The Super Bowl is also like.

Speaker 5 Dave's gone to all the Super Bowls. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 Max, would you, I mean, did you like going? Like, would you rather watch it on TV? No, no. no.

Speaker 1 Max, quick question.

Speaker 1 Would you like to go to the Super Bowl? Yeah, yeah. That is crazy.
I don't know, for a loss. The loss sucks, but, like,

Speaker 1 I need to be there for a win. Yeah, that's true.
Like, you get, like, Hank fucking brags about how many fucking after parties he's been there. For the after party?

Speaker 5 Greatest nights of my life. All right, so.
For the Celtics parade.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jerry would, I think we'd have to, like, Hannibal Lecter, put him in, like, a mask and, like, a gurney thing. Nah, we

Speaker 1 should stream in New Orleans. Yeah, probably.

Speaker 5 They would have to go to the game. You guys should just go to the game and I would just want to watch them.
I'd want to be like 15 rows behind them.

Speaker 1 We're just saying things this show like they're fact.

Speaker 1 We're scheduling the first weekend of the NFL. We're scheduling what we're going to do if the Eagles Steelers play in the Super Bowl.
Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 Let's just go.

Speaker 1 Let's just watch it. It's called Using Your Imagination, Max.
Let's just watch it. Let's just let things happen.
Oh, man.

Speaker 1 It's going to happen on the podcast. We're definitely going to come back to, we're We're streaming here if it's Vikings Ravens.
Oh, my God. It's going to be memes.
What a dick.

Speaker 4 It's going to end up being Chiefs, Packers. And the Chiefs win again.
That would.

Speaker 1 Well, the Chiefs would be. No, Packers would be good because

Speaker 1 Chiefs winning, beating the Packers would be awesome. I can't think.
Vikings, Ravens is just so.

Speaker 1 The Ravens.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what you just did, memes.

Speaker 1 The Purple Bowl. What does that mean? The Purple Bowl.

Speaker 1 I think the only.

Speaker 1 Can I make a bigger bummer? Oh, yeah. Falcons, Texans.

Speaker 1 Falcons, Texans would be bummer sadly. The Vikings are actually bummer.

Speaker 4 I actually think Seahawks Texans would be worse.

Speaker 1 Seahawks Texans? Yeah. Seahawks Texans would be just like a what?

Speaker 1 Chargers. No, Chargers would be great for you and me, Max.
Correct. Ride or die guys.

Speaker 1 Ride that thing.

Speaker 1 He's getting upset just thinking about it.

Speaker 5 No,

Speaker 5 that's not even a thought.

Speaker 5 I want the Charters to

Speaker 5 prove you wrong.

Speaker 1 Prove you wrong, mister. All right, let's do who's back of the week.

Speaker 4 Man, I'll tell you what.

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It's like the MVP of candy bars.

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Speaker 1 Henry, who's back of the week?

Speaker 5 Who's back the week? Is the Red Sox question mark? Yeah. Oh.

Speaker 5 PFT alluded to it earlier. And I don't know if it was just because I was home in Massachusetts for the weekend and I was hearing the local reports and propaganda, but

Speaker 5 I'm seeing some tweets. I'm seeing some reports.
I'm seeing, you know, Juan Soto's sisters looking at apartments in Boston.

Speaker 5 The Mick, Kirk Minahan guy, reported that he's 100% signing with the Red Sox.

Speaker 4 I saw a picture of Juan Soto at Hertz Renticar at Logan International Airport. Did you see that one?

Speaker 5 I didn't see that one, but I've heard it's going to be as early as the middle of this week, and

Speaker 1 I'm thrilled.

Speaker 5 The Red Sox are back. Yeah, he's here.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 4 he's been

Speaker 1 signing. He's signing?

Speaker 5 His sister's, yeah. I mean, why would his sister be looking at places?

Speaker 1 It's always the real estate. It's a beautiful city.
It's always the real estate. Does this have anything to do with our good friend Jarek Robbis trying to speak it into existence?

Speaker 5 What did he do?

Speaker 1 Oh, he's just been tweeting about it. I've just seen him.
I've seen,

Speaker 5 I've definitely been brainwashed, and I definitely, obviously, follow a lot of

Speaker 5 Boston-biased people in accounts, so that's definitely part of it. But I've just convinced myself we're getting soda.

Speaker 1 There he is, see?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Holy shit.

Speaker 4 Want soda? That's his sister.

Speaker 1 No, that's him.

Speaker 1 Look at the hair.

Speaker 4 It's long hair. All these guys can have long hair.
Some of us have long hair. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, congrats, Hank. Thank you.
That's huge.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm excited. I didn't even think we were going to be in the running, to be honest with you.
So the fact that we got him, you're in the conversation.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Big stuff.

Speaker 1 Okay. PFT.

Speaker 4 My Who's Back of the Week is rivalry trophies. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Did you guys see

Speaker 4 the news coming out of UMass? Yes. So UMass and UConn, they play their rivals, bitter rivals.
Hank, you know, just as well as anyone.

Speaker 4 There was a trophy that was made for the rivalry game.

Speaker 5 I don't even think kids from UConn or UMass care about this, by the way, which is the funniest part.

Speaker 4 So after the game...

Speaker 4 They did not present the rivalry trophy to UConn. Is that correct?

Speaker 1 No, so apparently the initial report was that UConn refused to accept it. And then Jim Moore Jr.
was like, that's not true. We wanted it.
They wouldn't give it to us. So now it's

Speaker 1 Jim Moore Jr.

Speaker 4 said he was looking for the trophy after the game. Yeah.
And they were told to get lost.

Speaker 4 And then UMass just put out a statement saying, regarding yesterday's football game and fan interest in presenting a trophy to the winner, prior to the game, the two schools had not discussed awarding the trophy to the winning team or using the trophy in general as a symbol to our long-standing series.

Speaker 4 The trophy was provided to UMass for the first time earlier in the week, not leaving a lot of time to properly consider an official name, should have been the Comeass trophy,

Speaker 4 secure a mutually beneficial sponsor, or execute a marketing plan. In addition, series results still need to be added to the base of the trophy.

Speaker 4 Both schools agree that celebrating our 78-game rivalry requires appropriate planning. So now they're asking for the trophy so that they can award it to Coach Mora and his team.

Speaker 4 We have no issue with this plan. And for now, we'll consider the trophy property of the two collectives to be used at their discretion.

Speaker 1 It's a jug, by the way. It's the cum jug.

Speaker 4 It's a cum jug. Yeah, yeah.
Why did they not give the trophy? Why? I don't understand how this got held. They made a trophy.
Jim Moore Jr. wanted the trophy.

Speaker 4 If you make a rivalry trophy, you have to be prepared to give it away.

Speaker 4 If you don't want to give it away, then you just do the Jim Harbaugh thing, and you don't tell the other team about it beforehand. And then you just get to keep it if you win it.

Speaker 5 What was that line in there about we weren't planning on this being a representative of this rivalry?

Speaker 1 I just love that UConn's always in the middle of these. Yeah.
It's obviously the civil conflict, my favorite trophy of all time. Is that dead, by the way? Yeah, what? The civil conflict?

Speaker 1 Is that still. Yeah, well, I don't think they play.

Speaker 5 It's not like you're trying to find it.

Speaker 1 Oh, I found it. The guy won't get the

Speaker 1 UCF has it, I believe.

Speaker 1 I basically kicked the hornet's nest that got it out from some guy's garage who then donated it back to UCF, which sucks because I should have been me. I should have had that trophy.

Speaker 1 I would have had it in the front of the office, encased, and it would have been like the clemson rock. Everyone touches it when they come to work.
It would have been incredible.

Speaker 1 But they fucking robbed it from me.

Speaker 4 I got to say, this trophy looks like you got it from like a 1980s pottery barn. Yeah.
They could have put a little bit more time into the trophy.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, how many times have these teams played when they have like a winning, when both teams have a winning record?

Speaker 1 UConn's had a good year this year.

Speaker 4 That would be interesting to look up, though, and see, like, but when both when both teams are above 500,

Speaker 1 what? Jack Mac's going to get on your ass. No, the UConn's.
UConn football. UConn's football has been very good this year.

Speaker 5 I said both teams have a winning record. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He clearly said both teams above 500.

Speaker 1 It does. He didn't know UConn was having a good year.

Speaker 4 The wood in this trophy looks like

Speaker 1 elementary school desks.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, UConn 8 and 4. They better get a bowl invite.

Speaker 5 That would suck if they don't.

Speaker 5 They automatically get one if you get six. Nope.

Speaker 1 They have to. Because

Speaker 1 sometimes there's more bull eligible teams than there are bulls,

Speaker 1 which is crazy. And UConn being an independent means they don't have a bull tie-in.
So it's like a lot of these, like, remember when we had the Barstool Bowl and it was Mountain West versus Mac?

Speaker 1 They're independent, so they don't have an automatic bull tie-in. UConn needs a bull.
It'll be bullshit if they don't get one. They went 8-4 this year.
Put them in a bowl besides

Speaker 4 a 6-6 team.

Speaker 1 Crazy. Crazy.
It would be very funny if they got a bowl and Nebraska didn't.

Speaker 1 Just for real. Yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way, I know we're going to do college on Wednesday, but my who's back of the week is Ryan Day. Because that was the worst loss.

Speaker 1 I actually think that might have been the worst loss of all time.

Speaker 4 In the history of losses.

Speaker 1 Football games only? It was a loss that had me for the rest of the day muttering to myself, I can't believe they lost that game. Like the stakes of that game,

Speaker 1 there were 20-point favorites. Ohio State is loaded.
Michigan doesn't have an offense. They don't have a quarterback.

Speaker 1 Michigan has had a dog shit season, and they still went in and bullied him in Columbus.

Speaker 4 They have two not quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 4 It is wild. And Michigan's offense was so bad, it looked like they were trying their best to give that game away to Ohio State, and Ohio State couldn't do shit with it.

Speaker 4 And then the penalty on Ryan Day at the end of the game. Yeah.
Not good. Not a good way to end it.
Not a good way to beat the fraud allegations,

Speaker 4 Ryan Day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then the

Speaker 4 Ryan Gaye.

Speaker 1 You did. You were very close.

Speaker 4 And the pepper spray. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was chaos. I mean, I love Rivalry Week.
What were you going to say, Hank?

Speaker 5 You say the stakes of the game, but Ohio State is still going to make the playoffs and still can win the national championship.

Speaker 1 If Ohio State wins the national championship, though, like you saw it, Tate came into the cave today.

Speaker 1 He's like, if we we win the national championship michigan will just say they've won two in a row because they beat us like that

Speaker 1 the way the rivalry has gone the last four years and the way that michigan beat them the last three years and then won a national title and the whole connor stallion shit and everything it's it's it's not just one game it's like the culmination of it all to get to that point where ohio state was so much better and to lose that game.

Speaker 1 And now, if they, like, I think there's actually a decent amount of Ohio State fans that would be like, if we win the national championship game, this was still a failure of a season because we lost to Michigan.

Speaker 1 That's how much it means, though, to those people.

Speaker 4 And for the fact that they have seniors that have never and will never beat Michigan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, by the way,

Speaker 1 I had no problem with

Speaker 1 if you're a defensive player, I think you're allowed to go fight over the flag and be like, don't plant that flag because the defense of Ohio State played tough. The offense should not get to do that.

Speaker 1 That was also Jason Devont, Eagle. Do you know that? That's crazy that that was Jason Devont, who was the one who took the flag back.

Speaker 1 I also think it's pretty funny that they're, yeah, isn't that crazy? He's like a sideline reporter for Michigan.

Speaker 4 I think it's funny that they're fighting over planting a flag into an artificial surface field. Yeah, you can't.
Which you can't plant a flag into. Yeah, but that

Speaker 1 was a bad scene for Ohio State. They got humiliated.
I don't know. Maybe I'm being reactionary, Hank.
It just feels

Speaker 1 like that was

Speaker 1 Ohio State had such a better team this year,

Speaker 1 and Michigan was, they weren't even trying this year. They didn't have a quarterback, and to have that happen is crazy.
Max, what are you going to say?

Speaker 1 It's definitely a failure of a season, no matter what.

Speaker 1 And that is as devastating of a loss as you can get.

Speaker 5 How can you win a national? That's crazy.

Speaker 1 Hank, as a college football fan, you know this.

Speaker 1 You know this. Hank, what would happen?

Speaker 4 What would happen if Ohio State won the national championship? How do you think Dave would react to that?

Speaker 1 I know we've won back-to-back national championships.

Speaker 4 He's the embodiment of Michigan.

Speaker 5 He's going to have the banner. I would say in 30 years, if I'm an Ohio State fan grad, when I go to bring my kids and I show them, say, national children,

Speaker 1 they'll be like, daddy, what happened that year? We must have killed Michigan.

Speaker 4 Because what happens is every time you bring up that national championship, it starts a story.

Speaker 4 And the story is, yeah, we beat you guys. A national championship.

Speaker 1 We had no national championship. But to be like, we won a national championship and Michigan had a fucking dog shit year and they still beat you.

Speaker 1 And it's also like this was michigan now has bryce underwood ohio state has to figure out what to do with ryan day like this was the year where you beat michigan and then you go win a national title and all is restored in the world for ohio state none of that happened the syracuse qb going off too was fun oh yeah kyle mccord was so awesome i think they would still love to win a national championship oh for sure they'd be very happy with it but they also know as sweet they also know that every time they bring it up they're inviting michigan fans to be like we beat you it would not feel as sweet preseason if you ask Ohio State fans, say you can win a national championship to lose in Michigan, they're saying no.

Speaker 1 A lot of them would say no. He literally,

Speaker 1 he said that before the season starts.

Speaker 1 They had to beat Michigan. Beating Michigan is more important than winning a national championship.
That's why college football is the best.

Speaker 5 I mean, it makes no sense to me, but.

Speaker 1 Do you think Dave is rooting for Ohio State to win the national championship now? He might

Speaker 1 so that he can say.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I think he's rooting for them to get to the semis or the final and then lose.

Speaker 1 And then he can be like, man,

Speaker 1 he's going to root for Ohio State being like, I just want the Buckeyes to be

Speaker 1 because he was doing, I mean, he kept on saying, he's like, this is bad for the rivalry. Like, the rivalry's over because you couldn't beat us at our worst.
This isn't a rivalry anymore.

Speaker 1 He's like, that he was like, oh, no.

Speaker 1 We can't have a rivalry with them anymore.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'll say this. I respected what Ohio State did after the game was over in the same way I respect what the Jaguars did when they knocked out Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have no problem with it. It's good to have a little fight.
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 1 By the way, Max, you weren't here, but I threw out the take. Like,

Speaker 1 Ryan Day should be,

Speaker 1 when he goes to bed at night, he should just thank his lucky stars that James Franklin exists.

Speaker 1 Because James Franklin has basically propped up Ryan Day. James Franklin's playing for a big-time championship this year.
I understand, but you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Ryan Day has not beaten Michigan in four years, but Ryan Day always beats Penn State, and they're like, look at Ohio State. We beat Penn State every year.
It's just, that's just how it goes.

Speaker 1 But it still doesn't matter. They don't care about Penn State.
I understand. I'm saying more like Ryan Day can't win the big one.
No, he beats Penn State. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then James Franklin's like, oh, James Franklin can't win the big one. Oh, no, he beats Iowa by 40.
Beats everyone but the big one. Yeah.
I know. Penn State in the big town.

Speaker 1 Are you going to go down? I was thinking about it. I want to.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you guys looked, but on the DraftKings app, every single conference championship game this weekend is, I think the biggest spread is four and a half.

Speaker 1 It's going to be awesome. I think Penn State Oregon's three and a half.

Speaker 4 This would be such a big one, though, Max, for you. This would be the crown jewel of the big ones for James Franklin.

Speaker 1 Now he'd be the one seed, maybe. I still think it wouldn't be the same, though, because it's not Ohio State or Michigan.

Speaker 4 No, but I feel like the Big Ten championship.

Speaker 4 You don't understand.

Speaker 1 Henry does understand college. I think there are rivalries.
Like Penn State. Championships.
I understand championships.

Speaker 1 I would want to win a fucking, like, I don't care who I play in the Eastern Conference Finals or the finals.

Speaker 5 A championship's championship's a championship. Silks had an easy path to the fucking championship.
Who cares?

Speaker 4 It's different. College is four college.

Speaker 5 I would want to win a Big Ten championship, but not if it's against Michigan. Like, what?

Speaker 1 No, not if it's against Michigan. It's a Big Ten championship.
No, I mean, it would be, like,

Speaker 1 I would like Penn State to win this one, but it still wouldn't. It wouldn't feel as good.
Yeah. If they beat Ohio, Penn State beat Wisconsin in the Big Ten championship.

Speaker 1 We're talking about beating them. And it didn't play.

Speaker 4 Hank, you don't know anything about the Blue Bloods. You want to beat a Blue Blood, Big Ten, big one.

Speaker 5 I guess. guess.

Speaker 5 I kind of understand what you're saying. I just don't personally feel the same way.

Speaker 1 Rivalry Week rocks. This is what the hatred is so, so deep.
It's the best.

Speaker 1 Okay, good show, boys. Good to be back.
Should we do numbers?

Speaker 4 Memes will take

Speaker 4 71.

Speaker 1 PFT 100.

Speaker 1 What? Ooh, is 100 in there? Is 100 in there? 17.

Speaker 5 It used to be.

Speaker 4 What do you mean it used to be?

Speaker 1 The old machine? 83.

Speaker 1 11.

Speaker 1 I believe it is in here. 100 is in? It's 3 right here.
It's right here. Okay, all right.
99 pug.

Speaker 5 I don't even know what I said. 82.
I'm changing mine.

Speaker 4 30.

Speaker 1 16.

Speaker 1 21.

Speaker 5 We got to figure it out. Oh, no, no.
30 just came down.

Speaker 5 12.

Speaker 1 Memes has 71, right?

Speaker 4 Memes has 71.

Speaker 1 Jack, which which one do you got?

Speaker 1 16.

Speaker 1 Jack's a Michigan guy. Yeah, I want to ask him a question.
90!

Speaker 1 Jack.

Speaker 1 Jack, explain to Hank.

Speaker 1 We were talking about Ohio State, Michigan, and I was saying that that is one of the most devastating losses, if not the most devastating loss, like of all time, because of what Ohio State had at stake, their team versus Michigan.

Speaker 1 Do you you think that if Ohio State, like you know, Ohio State fans, right?

Speaker 1 If they win a national title, like it's not going to be as sweet because they lost to Michigan, right? Definitely. And do you know Ohio State fans?

Speaker 1 No, let me ask you this way.

Speaker 1 Do you know Michigan fans? They're like, if we beat Ohio State, it doesn't matter if we win the national title or not?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like the rivalry means more than the national title, which is weird, but. Yes, definitely.
Hank?

Speaker 5 I hear you.

Speaker 1 That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 5 It makes some sense. It just doesn't make totals.
Like, I understand how much rivalries mean.

Speaker 5 You can hang your hat on beating Michigan or beating Ohio State, but a national championship should trump that.

Speaker 1 I think for a lot of fans it does, but I think there's some fans that are like, that... That was the end of their season.

Speaker 4 I also think Michigan fans.

Speaker 5 If I was an Ohio State fan, you're devastated, but I'm like, fuck it, we got to win the national championship championship now.

Speaker 4 I think Michigan fans and Ohio State fans, if they hadn't won a national championship recently, then it might be a little bit different. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Where they're like, yeah, national championship is the goal, but since they've accomplished that in their lifetimes and in their recent lifetimes, then they're just like, we want to beat our route.

Speaker 1 Didn't they lose when they blew the game against Georgia? Who?

Speaker 5 Ohio State?

Speaker 1 What do you mean?

Speaker 5 The missed field goal?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 That was in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 2019?

Speaker 4 Ohio State won national championships, though.

Speaker 1 What year was that?

Speaker 1 C.J. Stroud.
Oh, so

Speaker 1 that was 2020 or 21?

Speaker 1 22. 22? So they lost to Michigan? They lost to Michigan that year.

Speaker 5 If they'd won the national championship, do you think they would have been like, ah, well, we lost to Michigan, so this sucks.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think they not as bad as this one. This one is

Speaker 1 the culmination.

Speaker 5 The underdogs and stuff.

Speaker 1 And also, it's the Connor Stallions, Michigan winning last year. Jack, where did you watch the game?

Speaker 1 Was that like a game that you'll remember forever? 100%, yes. That was unbelievable.
Yeah. You never thought they were going to win that game.
I planned on turning it off at halftime. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then they just.

Speaker 1 They bullied them again.

Speaker 1 They bullied him again.

Speaker 1 That was crazy. It also has to do with like they, it's now four years in a row.
Right. So it's like.

Speaker 1 They have no argument. Right.
Even if they get because Michigan just won the natty, they don't even have that argument. Right.
Right.

Speaker 1 And it feels like Ohio State is in a crisis, and Michigan had a one-down year, and they're going to be back next year. Like, you had the moment.

Speaker 4 Here's the thing: the best part about winning a championship is that you can be like, you guys can't tell me anything. I'm the champion of the world.
And guess what? Michigan can tell them something.

Speaker 1 It's a perfect, yeah, you put it perfectly. There's one fan base that can tell you that, and it's the worst fan base.

Speaker 4 And it's the one that you don't want to have anything to say. Yep.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 1 We'll talk talk more college football on Wednesday. Uh, see you guys then.
Love you guys.