NFL Week 13, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bears Fire Eberflus, Eagles Are For Real And Josh Allen vs Saquon For MVP

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Today is Monday, December 2nd, week 13. Some spread.
Not gonna get them. Let us be the last to wish you and your family a very merry thanksgiving we start in cincinnati where the scoring started when it's cam taylor britney bitch ran back an interception for a touchdown starting what would be a shootout in the afc north russell wilson opened up a can of whoop ass hitting calvin stone cold steve austin for a touchdown as well as visiting the Friar Muth Ferry for another score.
As for the Bengals, a late plain white Tee Higginson touchdown wasn't enough, and they're singing, hey there Lombardi, what's it like in playoff city? I'm a thousand miles away, but girl you look so pretty, yes you do. As Cincinnati's playoff chances are officially DEAD dead.
Steelers 44, Bengals 38. We go over to Atlanta where Plaid McConkie ran some complicated but interesting winter patterns, and Kirk Cousins had some wicked interceptions that were defying gravity, as he should have spent more time in his bye week engineering scores and less time singing along to them.
The Chargers defense had Jim Harbaugh saying, Tarheem's still rocking the khakis with a cuff in the crease, and I'm still on the sidelines rocking cleats. It's the Chargers 17, the Falcons 13.
Up to Minnesota. Wake up, wake up.
It's the first of the month. As Johnny was able to score in a furious Vikings comeback, Jonathan Gannon Elizabeth sent Nadia to putting the ball in the end zone, instead choosing for five field goals from Chad.
This land is your land. This land is Rylan.
And the game came down to Sam Darnold Palmer, who is all man, by the way, finding Karen Jones for the go-ahead touchdown as Cardinals fans left with a disappointing Yelp review. Hello, 911.
Yes, we lost a game that we should have won. We need a police officer here right now.
Vikings 23, Cardinals 22, and we head to Foxborough where Henry Lockwood was on the scene. Down to Foxborough, where Anthony Sha'Carri Richardson was smoking the Pats defense, running the ball down the field all day long.
But we'll get to that later. Jonathan, the tool man, Taylor, caught a TD to give the Colts an early lead, but Draker Mayfield was feeling dangerous, gunning it to Hunter Henry Biden, but couldn't get him apart and into the end zone.
He did connect with his dog, Austin Booper, in the third quarter, though, to give the pass a lead. This game came all the way down to the wire before Anthony Peyton Pritchardton, at the buzzer, bang, punches in the two-point conversion to give the Colts a 25-24 victory.
Thanks, Hank. Way to work at Peyton Pritchard there.
I noticed that even when you lose, you'll win. Peyton Pritchardson.
We now head to the happiest member of Pardon My Take. It's Memes in the swamp of the Meadowlands.
In New York, where Geno Smith finally showed up to play the charity case that is the New York Jets. Ric Flair, Kanae, Quang, whoo, strutted like the nature boy for 99 yards for a Jets touchdown.
Jason Mike Myers said, I'll take three, my lord, to bring the Seahawks within two. And Leonard Williams finished old Aaron Yeller-Rodgers off by shooting him in the head and sacking him dead.
Seahawks 26, Jets 21. We go to Jacksonville where Aziz Al-Shahir responsible knocked Trevor Lordrance of the Rings into concussion protocol, bringing on the return of the Mac as Jones was forced into the game.
The Jaguars mounted a furious comeback with Brian Thomas the Tank Engine, who looked at his owner and said, I think I can, I think I can. But P.J.
Stroud tucked him good night, sleep tight. Don't let the bed Dugs bite.
S. Peterson is still the coach of the Jaguars, I guess.
Huh? Huh? Huh? Doug Persons didn't get fired yet? Somehow? The Texans 23, the Jags, Jag off 20. 20 in Carolina where Bryce young dumb and full of cum doesn't know he's supposed to bust and is instead playing great ball the second year quarterback was Steely Dan down the stretch as he found Adam Thielen in the years as for a late touchdown to put the Panthers ahead but it was too much time for Undertaker Mayfield as the Bucs' playoff chances popped out of the coffin and reminded everyone you can't kill a dead man as Chase McLaughlin's sanity struck with two field goals late for the win.
Bucs 26, Panthers 23. We head on now to Baltimore, where Max is back.
We head over to Baltimore, where Justin Sucker continues to have a sucky year of sucking as he missed two field goals and an extra point. Hey, Mr.
DeGreen, Mr. DeGreen, I just want you to know that I think that you're the best ever for laying the boom on Derrick Henry.
Christopher Nolan Smith Jr. has gone nuclear as he recorded another sack while officially becoming death, the destroyer of worlds.
Eagles 24, Ravens 19. Thanks, Max.
We finished in our nation's capital where the Hennessy Titans looked like they were a little drunk and bottled up.

Brian's Swiss family Robinson was very hard for the Titans' D to read, but the film will be easier to understand.

Meanwhile, Will Lettuce didn't wilt down, mostly because he was kept in a lot of airtight sacks.

Jaden Manhattan Daniels made this a laugher for the rom-com Anders, disappearing behind his linemen like skinny from the block, running up the score.

We'll be right back. Jaden Manhattan Daniels made this a laugher for the Rom Commanders, disappearing behind his linemen like skinny from the block, running up the score, leading some to accuse Dan Quinjeman Netanyahu of really overdoing it with a bunch of weapons provided to him by Washington.
The Commanders, 42. The Titans, 19.
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See AHS.com slash contracts for coverage details, limitations, and exclusions. Okay, week 13 in the books.
What a week of football. What a week of football.
It was crazy. We've had football since Thursday morning.
Yeah. Well, including Maction, too.
Obviously Maction. Yeah.
Thanksgiving week goes exactly the same every year, where somewhere around Saturday afternoon, my body starts to be like, you can't just do this every single day, where all you do is eat leftovers and watch football from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to sleep. Well, what's awesome about Saturday is you get second Saturday.
Yeah. Because Friday is basically Saturday on Thanksgiving week.
Correct. You wake up and you get to redo Saturday all over again.
Correct. So it feels like forever ago, but we are going to talk about the Thanksgiving Day games.
This was actually though, I was very close to texting the boys on Thanksgiving being like, should we do an emergency pod? Because Lions 23, Bears 20. What a game that was.
It was everything. It was something.
It was literally every Bears game in one where it was a nationally televised game with the Bears looking as bad as possible in the first half, just being a joke of a team in front of the entire country then Caleb Williams playing phenomenal football in the second half having them come all the way back and then losing in they have invented new ways to lose they have lost six in a row I believe now the Hail Mary two games where they quit a block field goal against your rival an overtime loss and then the timeout game yeah it's insane it's it's actually I was thinking about this because it's a sick thing that the Bears do to you. I'm not talking about figuring out new ways to lose games.
That's actually very mentally stimulating. It's creative, and I applaud them for that.
But what they do is they play so shitty and get their teeth kicked in the first half of games, and then tune out right and then they don't see the bears

come back and then they look up when somebody tells them hey the bears actually just made this a football game you should probably watch the end of it and then you get to see the bears lose at the very end so they get all the dog shit from the bears and a lot of people miss out on any of the good stuff that ever happened but this thanksgiving everyone stays watching and they watch the whole thing and it was just an epic like failure of an ending but god bless the broken road that led us to Matt Eberflus being fired for the first time in a hundred years for the Chicago Bears yes you've had the you've had the necklace removed from your neck yeah it was it was obvious that it had to happen um because there's never been a worse coach in close games than Matt Eberflus like i think that statistically actually is proven true um the timeout is so obviously caleb deserves some blame for it uh but in hearing everything it basically and i talked to some guys like i talked to our good friend kyle long and i was like tell me straight like what what happens here he's like look it's probably 50-50 Caleb Matt Eberflus but the second there's any hesitation it's like 80-20 Matt Eberflus Caleb where it's the second there's hesitation the coach his job is to hit a timeout there and be like whoa shit's getting out of control we got to hit a timeout and reset and Matt Eberflus talking after the game basically didn't take any ownership and said well this is how he wanted to set it up. And in explaining how he wanted to set it up, he literally explained that if you had called a timeout with 30 seconds left, you would have set up exactly what you wanted to do, which is get another 5, 10 yards, clock the ball.
If you don't get a first down with 30 seconds, you can rush everyone out. If you do, you clock the ball, you kick a field goal, try to go to overtime.
He also acted like it would be impossible to throw the ball to somebody and then get out of bounds. Yeah.
He was like, well, we want to keep that timeout because we wanted to have a timeout for a field goal unit, the operation to get on the field. Acting like it would be impossible to get out of bounds or throw an incomplete pass.
The whole thing was just a perfect encapsulation of Matt Eberflus being one of the worst crunch time time coaches possible uh so I knew I said it on Wednesday's show I was like this is and I was actually like I do my hit with Waddle and Sylvie every uh Wednesday and I said to him I was like you know this is the last day that we're gonna have to watch a Matt Eberflus coach team and they're like no way no way I was like no I I seriously I didn't think it was gonna go down this way but I thought he was gonna get fired on Friday morning and then to add just the perfect cherry on top the Bears even fucked up his firing where I know how the Bears operate what happened is this on Wednesday or Thursday it's Thanksgiving it's a holiday uh the Bears have that terrible terrible loss you could read the tea leaves in the locker room like Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles were sticking around the locker room extra long, talking to players, all this stuff. Ryan Poles and Kevin Warren can't make a decision without George McCaskey.
George McCaskey probably was like, it's Thanksgiving. Don't call me.
So they weren't able to talk to George McCaskey about firing Matt Eberflus until friday morning matt eberflus had his scheduled 9 a.m press conference they were doing the meeting talking about firing him while he's doing the press conference he gets out of the press conference like oh yeah by the way you're fired that's just how dysfunctional this team in this organization is that they couldn't reach probably the owner on thanksgiving to be like hey just so you know we gotta fire this guy he's a fucking moron and in the press conference iber flus was asked i think three or four times like hey are you fired yet yeah do you think you're gonna be fired that's all they kept asking him over and over he's like well we do our normal operation he calls everything in operation by the way we do everything you know according to the standard procedure which is uh we talk right after the game and then we're going to talk the next day and yeah as he, as he's having that press conference, he's being fired. He doesn't know about it.
Then he goes – he gets fired. Do you think in a weird way that this was like a job interview, like the Bears were interviewing for Ben Johnson during the game? During the game? It's like, do we look enticing enough for you, Ben, to want to come coach us next season? Here's the thing.
I want Ben Johnson. I also want to say this because I'm going to get optimistic about whoever the Bears hire, even though they'll probably end up with the fourth option.
I want Ben Johnson or Mike Vrabel. The one thing with Ben Johnson, and I think he's a very good play caller, do you get his offensive line too? Because a lot of his play calls are good because he has an offensive line that is

elite and they take a little bit longer to develop and I think Ben Johnson would be good no matter what but then again the Bears organization will probably ruin anyone because at the end of the day it's the McCaskies and it's Virginia McCaskey who is very very old but she put her dumb son in charge

who says that he's not a football guy

who in the

I think he took over in 2011. They have been to the playoffs twice in the 14 years.
They've won zero playoff games. They've fired five head coaches.
They've fired three GMs. They've fired three offensive coordinators.
They have been 93 into 130. no what they do george mccaskey and the mccaskey family still runs his team and they are a joke and they are terrible owners and i don't know that he does the worst thing where he doesn't want it he says he doesn't want to medal but then he also needs to probably be consulted to fire a head coach it's like dude that's meddling and he also puts kevin warren who was supposed to build a stadium in charge of now the head coach because ryan poles is safe but kevin warren is i don't know if you saw that rap port was like uh ryan poles will be helping kevin warren in search of the new head coach kevin warren hates football yeah if i doofus listen if you're not a football guy and you're in charge of a football team you should probably try to find a different job i'm sure you can find a different i'm sure that there's a number of foundations around Chicago that would like a McCaskey to be in charge of them.
It's a joke, man. It's a joke.
You should become a football guy once you become the head of a football operation. You would think the family business.
The family business. Your grandfather basically started the NFL, the family business, and you're like, yeah, I'm actually not a big football fan.
Well, no, he does say he's a big football fan. He just says he doesn't know football.
So you should learn football, though. Yes, you had a lot of time.
You should learn to love football. If you're growing up and you're watching the 85 Bears, you should become obsessed with football.
You would think. Normal children would become – I question their parenting now for not getting their children and their grandchildren into football to the point where they become football guys.
But he's been running the show for 14 years, and it's been an absolute failure. And so I don't think anything is going to – I'm going to be – again, I will be optimistic because I'm optimistic by nature whenever they announce the new head coach.
And I will say, just because I have to be fair, good job firing the head coach when it was clear he needed to be fired because you were going to – like Brisker, I don't know if you guys saw, but he hated Matt Eberflus. He's just been subtweeting him.
Caleb Williams is good, and I know that people will, there's a lot of people who box score watch or they've only seen him in primetime games. Caleb Williams is very, very good.
He's on pace for 3,700 yards, 20-plus touchdowns, and less than 10 interceptions. The only other rookies to do it, I would assume Jaden Daniels iss is going to do it maybe Bo Nix but the only other two rookies to do those numbers are Justin Herbert and CJ Stroud and he's been going in his heads he's had he's going to be on his third offensive coordinator in one season and his second head coach because Thomas Brown is now interim so I would assume he's not going to be calling all the plays it's insane how good Caleb Williams has been given how bad the coaching has been and what they've done in terms of coaching to stunt his growth.
Yeah. So looking at Thomas Brown, the interim head coach, I don't know much about the guy, but just off the measure, running back coach for the Badgers when they ran all over Will Compton.
Sorry, Will Compton. Right.
So here's what I like about his measurables. He is 5'8 and 203 pounds.
Stout man. He was at one point the strength and conditioning coach for the University of Georgia.
I like these credentials as an interim head coach. McVaytree.
McVaytree. And by the way, I want to stick up for you real quick, Big Cat.
A lot of people out there, because I get tagged in a lot of them, are doing some very mean photoshops. I would like to put a list of names on a please do not Photoshop this coach as head coach of the Bears list.
Ryan Day. Yeah.
Please stop with Ryan Day Photoshopps. Cliff Kingsbury.
Cliff Kingsbury. Good offensive coordinator.
Please do not put him on Photoshopps. Good offensive coordinator.
Ron Rivera. Please do not put him on.
Please stop. Like him.
Nice guy. Don't put him on.
Mike McCarthy. Don't put him on mike mccarthy saved his job mike malarkey he's already been offered the job he's been offered the job according to ian rapacord yeah that's true uh hugh jackson do not put please stop do not do not photoshop these how do we feel about rex ryan do not photoshop those that's on the do not photoshop list okay that's all i had on my list but it's most importantly no ryan day yeah stop doing that either way i mean all in all it was just a chaotic 24 hours on thanksgiving uh it was it it it put me in a tailspin for the second half of thanksgiving day uh yeah what was what were where were you watching and how did that my house i was of thanksgiving dinner and and the kids the kids were uh kind of all over me during the game, so I had to remove myself and watch it in my bedroom and then scream at the TV.
And then, yeah, I was not... I wasn't a joy to be around, I would say.
I wasn't a joy to be around. But in a way, it's like this is so bad that they have to do something.
Yeah, no, I was a joy to be around on Friday. Friday was until the Badgers lost.
By the way, fun fact, people are like, hey, you're so negative. Hey, why are you in such a bad mood? Now that the month of November is gone, I did not win a football game in the month of November between the Wisconsin Badgers and the Chicago Bears.
I think I went 0-9. That's really hard to do.
It's a bad month. That's really, really hard to do.
And I lost in really bad ways. Like, left and right, everything.
Everything, every way I lost, I basically picked. If you had to write, how can you lose a game? I checked every single box.
Yeah, it's a pretty incredible run you went on. It's generational.
It's really, really bad. So, yeah, it was a tough, it was tough, Hank.
Thankfully, I had the Cowboys, so that bounced me back a little. But yeah, Thanksgiving, listen, Thanksgiving, people are like, oh, it's fun.
It's about family. No, it's about trying to win bets and not have your team lose.
And I just wish we wouldn't play on Thanksgiving because I knew it was going to be bad. I didn't think it was going to be that bad.
I mean, you guys were watching. It's a bad game.
When the timeout happened, I was just sitting there like how is this happening yeah we're just watching it was watching a car crash but it wasn't even watching a car crash because it's watching a car crash but you could like stop time and be like hey dude don't crash that car like you have a time out they're not gonna throw but then but then after not calling the timeout i was yelling at the tv being like what are they doing what are they doing and then it was like surely they're not going to drop back and throw a d pass well then yeah then caleb had to panic and like it was guys were coming back slow then caleb screwed up then maddie again maddie berflus i i do think caleb fucked up and that's a learning experience he's a rookie the the head coach's job is to call a timeout and be like hey guys let's stop let's fucking figure this out the look on that it's literally his job. Like right after that play was over, and he knew that he fucked up.
And he just did. No muscle on his face moved.
He just stared off into the distance like, well, that's probably it for me. Yeah.
He might as well have a blindfold and a cigarette in his mouth on that one. Yeah.
It was. Yeah.
I think everybody, including Lions fans, were probably yelling at the TV, what are you doing, Matt Eberfluss? Yeah. It was crazy.
It was nuts. What, Max, are you going to say something? I just laughed.
Yeah. I mean, it was funny for everyone else.
It was a classic of a classic Bears move in the history of the Bears. They've found every single way.
They've found every single way. And they cut to Eberfluss' dumb face on the sideline.
It was the dumbest face. That was the dumbest coach face that I've ever seen.
That's where I was in my bedroom screaming at the TV. I made a video just screaming at him.
Look at this fucking face, this fucking idiot. There are some coaches, though, that have very satisfying, dumb coach faces when they absolutely fuck things up.
But I think that Matt Eberflusose that what we saw on thanksgiving so stupid that

was the stupidest face he's ever made and caleb played well again in the second half like he brought that he looked really bad in the first half the offense looked completely like lifeless and then again he drives them i know there's there's plays he admit like the dj moore if he hits dj moore coming across with like i don't know 45 seconds left he probably runs in for a touchdown but again I

I think Caleb Williams given what

he has been stacked against in terms of the

coach more coming across with like I don't know 45 seconds left he probably runs in for a touchdown but again I I think Caleb Williams given what he has been stacked against in terms of the coaching has been great especially the last few games so I'm very bullish about that and he had to get rid of Matt Iberflus because you had to just be like we can't keep doing this are you um so you do want Ben Johnson now that you have your concerns about the offensive. Ben Johnson or Mike Vrabel would be my 1A, 1B.

Basically both 1A.

Either one, I'd be very happy.

I feel like Mike Vrabel is the direction you guys are going to go.

Is he not going to go to OSU?

No.

Remember, he doesn't want to.

Well, you don't listen to the show.

Yeah.

He said that to us.

He did.

He did say that to us.

We were on a golf trip kind of.

Memes. Good job by memes.
He put out the clip right away on Saturday. We were on a golf trip.
No, he doesn't want to recruit, which makes sense. The Bears want, they've been like openly saying, we want a leader of men, which tells me that they're looking at like a Mike Vrabel and less inclined for Ben Johnson.
And then Ben Johnson linked to, he leaked to Shefty over the weekend that he would be interested in the Bears if they come correct with the money. I think we've weirdly become as bad as the organization is and the owners are.
Caleb definitely makes it enticing because that's what any prospective coach says, is there a quarterback there? And he's a good quarterback who looks promising and looks like he could be a real guy. So you would want, like, I think we are weirdly appealing, which as long as they don't figure out, like, as long as they don't meet George McCaskey, I think it's an appealing job.
And Mike Vrabel, I haven't decided if I'm going to do this yet, but if he took the Bears head coaching job, I think I would, I've only done this for one other person. I think it was Jim Harbaugh when I was trying to get him to be the Bears head coach last year I think I would make a I will never criticize Mike Vrabel packed yeah I will never say a bad thing about Mike Vrabel if he takes the job what about what about I haven't decided yet I'm gonna I'm gonna I might actually try to sell that to him you'll be a big time Bears move if they went move? If they went out, they got Pat Fitzgerald.
No. That would be a big-time Bears move.
No, you know who's getting leaked is Marcus Freeman. Oh, yeah? Yeah, Marcus Freeman was – Schrager texted me that this morning.
Then he was like, I'm going to go just say it on NFL Network. I was like, thanks, dude.
What about – Appreciate it. What about a coach trade? I feel like the Jets, if anybody does a coach trade, it would probably be the Jets.
No, I'll tell you, no, the Jets have their own. They don't have a coach.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Neither do we.
You can trade for a coach is what I'm saying. But they don't have one.
Who do we train for? Yeah, we don't have one. You don't have one.
We both don't have coaches. No, I'm saying you can acquire a coach via trade.
Oh, another coach. Yeah, got it, got it, got it.
Not trading your coach. No, I do not want to do that.
Using free agency to acquire, or not free, but the trade deadline to acquire a currently employed coach. Yes.
The Jets would trade a first-round pick for someone. Oh, for McVay.
Yeah. They would.
It means you're thinking about it right now. And now you're thinking this might be a good idea.
No. Well, I was thinking we don't have a GM, so I guess somebody could just send a first-round pick.
Like maybe the owner? Is that something that you think Woody Johnson might be interested in? If he just sent 10 first-round picks for a round pick? Yeah, 10 first-round picks. By the way, we should talk about the Lions real quick.
They are very banged up on defense. Well, they acquired Jamal Adams.
They did. Blitz boys.
Blitz back. Man in the box, Allison Chains.
It does feel like the Lions, I mean, this game on Thursday night against the Packers is going to be massive, massive. Because I'm of the belief at this point that if the Eagles get home field advantage, they're going to go to the Super Bowl.
And if the Lions get home field advantage, they're going to go to the Super Bowl. I mean, I think the Eagles are right there with the Lions.
Right there with them. Right there.
Neck and neck. We'll get to it.
Yeah, we'll get to it. So their defense is they were missing a lot of guys, especially in the second half.
They're very injured. Everyone's injured, though.
I still believe in the Lions. This time of year, everyone's banged up.
Everyone's banged up. No excuses.
I did love the one play that the Lions ran in the first half, the little trick play yeah that they put the ball in panay sewell's hands he just started beasting people i don't even know if there was a like a pass or a designed run i think they just wanted to put the ball in his hands and let him just shove people around that was at the point of the game where it was as embarrassing as possible and ben johnson was like fuck it these guys suck yeah i'm just gonna do some cool shit i shit. I want to watch Penesal shove people over.
Yeah. He is scary.
Going to tackle him is very, very scary. But yeah, it was a crazy, crazy Thanksgiving.
Just chaotic. I basically spent like the next hour mumbling to myself like, why didn't you call a timeout? Why didn't you call a timeout? And I was not over it over it for a long time and again the worst part about this game is that I after the Packers game I made a pledge to myself to not let this team hurt me for the rest of the year because apathy had started to you know like take over and it was like look we're not going to the playoffs I'm just gonna watch Caleb Williams on Sunday and be happy I was actually mad about this game, and I was mad, and then I got mad at myself for getting mad at the game.
I mean, if you beat a really, really good team, a really, really good team, then that does huge, huge numbers for your ego. Right.
If you have a shitty team, you can be like, if we play like that every week, then we would be that really good team. Yeah, and it's, I mean, Caleb Williams is now just basically every game he goes on game-winning drives that just aren't game-winning drives because something terrible happens.
Yeah. And it just happens over and over.
You want to cut those off at some point. You don't want them to start accumulating those losses.
And to start, like, you know, we've seen quarterbacks and we've seen head coaches that just accumulate sad losses and they just weigh on them. Just stay with them.
I'm in full groundhogs mode with like the team two years ago and last year where it's like, oh, I feel good. Like they're making progress, but winning games would be nice every now and then.
Yeah. Morale.
You're in that Hank now. Kind of.
Yeah. Where it's like you don't want to.
Now Hank doesn't give a fuck. No, he cared when the Patriots lost because you want your quarterback to play well, one, and then you're like, eventually we got to win a game just so everyone feels good.
More so for you because you've lost for so long. Yeah.
Us. Okay, I shouldn't have set myself up.
A loss is a good draft pick. I shouldn't have set myself up for that.
What did you think about the Jameer Gibbs leaking the protections? Yeah, that was crazy. Dan Campbell was very upset.
If you saw the – so Jameer Gibbs did a TikTok in front of all of the verbiage that the offense uses for the Lions, and then after the game, a reporter told Dan Campbell, and he was just like, what? What happened? He's like, that and then he just walked right off it's like that actually sucks for the like they do i was i was reading i can't remember who who tweeted about it but someone's like this obviously this doesn't mean that everyone has their plays but it means they have to learn new language this late in the season that sucks yeah it's annoying yeah all of his teammates are probably really pissed off at him for that you know what i would do is i would just not change anything and be like there's everyone thinks we're going to change we've changed everything yeah yeah everyone everyone assumes we're going to change what yeah play it real quick he was you could just see in his face he was just like oh god damn it whiteboard behind him.

Is that something where you need to just remind a player to, you know,

be smart about what they're posting on social media?

Is there anything, you know, that could – Who was that?

I believe Gibbs posted a photo of Jefferson with a bunch of, you know,

lingo on the whiteboard in the running back room behind him.

Oh, I didn't know that.

I did not know that.

Okay.

Yeah, I need to check on that then.

I did not know that. Yeah, I'd rather our stuff not be out there.
Thanks. He walked off.
So mad. That was probably the beginning of the press conference.
He's like, I got to go right now. All right.
Enough about the Bears. Let's talk about the next game on Thanksgiving.
Cowboys 27, Giants 20. said you wanted to let's let's recap what we ate instead of talking about this game which i'm fine with i do have a couple giants things i wanted to talk about yeah yeah i just figured a apt recap for this game would be to just talk instead about what we ate on thanks yeah overshone's pick was awesome overshone's pick overshone is a really really good player and rico dadle's awesome overshone every time i watch the cowboys no I watch the Cowboys, no matter how bad things are going, he flies around out there.
Yeah. That's what he does.
Yeah. And, yeah, Mike McCarthy, congratulations to him.
Yeah. I think he might even get, like, an extension.
I do, too. I think he might just stick around for a while as a coach.
Their defense looked great. I mean, it was Drew Locke, but they looked great.
Yeah. But, yeah, what did you guys eat? What's your favorite thing you ate deep fried turkey i did uh steak this year steak is i like that i like steak and turkey because turkey oh you did both well yeah so we i think you can't just go i saw

our guy chuck calls it steak steak giving uh and i'm i think steak is fine you have to do a turkey

just out of like you just have to do a turkey but i I ate probably 80% steak, 20% turkey. If I switch to steak, I'm just going to do steak, I think.
Because turkey is the whole preparation for it. You have to brine it.
You have to cook it. You roast it for a few hours.
You deep fry it. It's a big thing with the setup.
If you're going to switch to steak, I feel like you just make that call. And you're like, we're doing steak this year instead of turkey.
Yeah, we did both and it was fucking awesome. I might have changed the game for Thanksgiving this year.
Oh, yeah. I invented something.
Oh, Thanksgiving soup. Oh, Thanksgiving soup.
It was so, so good. I took the leftover turkey.
I made it made a turkey stock. I boiled the fried turkey carcass, made a out of it then i added mashed potatoes i added stuffing mac and cheese i roasted the stuffing in the oven to use as the croutons on top of the soup i cut up carrots i put uh some green bean casserole in there because it's got cream mushroom soup as the base god damn i got so many left i got some leftovers i can bring it tomorrow i actually i was thinking about just bringing in the whole operation and deep frying a turkey for the bar still office yeah deep fried turkey is the way to go that sounded delicious what would you guys eat a lot of turkey a lot of stuffing yeah a lot of crab cakes how many plates you got crab cakes like crab cake like a little appetizer oh i did i.
I had like 20 of them. Hammered cheese and crackers.
I just went turkey sandwich right out of the gate. What? Yep.
Right out of the gate. Sandwich? Before? For your dinner? Meal.
You had leftovers before? You're crazy for that. You had pre-leftovers.
You're crazy for that. Meal.
That is a change of the game. Wow.

I also, and this was directly related to the Bears and the timeout.

I think I conservatively had about 15 cookies after like 4 p.m.

Yeah.

I went to cookie town.

For me, cookies are breakfast on Thanksgiving. Yeah, I was literally just walking.

I would just walk past the kitchen and just eat two cookies,

and I did that for seven hours straight.

You guys pumpkin pie people?

I'm not.

No.

I fucked myself up with some pumpkin pie.

I don't like pumpkin pie.

I'm not a big pumpkin guy.

Pumpkin pie. Fred Smoot taught me that.

Pumpkin's not food.

It's fucking hippopotamus, as he said, like them.

Yeah, I had this girl that came up to me one time.

You know what she asked me?

You ever had pumpkin pie?

No, she asked me actually a different question than that.

Oh, what'd she ask?

My pussy tastes like pumpkin pie?

Yeah.

Fuck out of here.

I didn't ever have no pumpkin pie.

Yeah.

Bernie Mac.

Bernie Mac.

Yeah.

It's the best.

Memes, what'd you have?

Had some turkey. Had some stuffing.
I didn't stop eating for like 48 hours. Have you heard Brandon do it? Yeah, I have.
Okay, yeah. I was going to say.
Yeah. He's done it so many times.
Diet's back tomorrow. Oh, no, no, no, no.
Monday? No, no. Why? You can't diet between Thanksgiving and Christmas, my friend.
Yes, you can. No, you can't.
That's crazy. It's a big month.
I think this Monday is a diet. It's diet Monday.
You can't. This is a give up.
This is a just drink, eat whatever you want. Kind of poop yourself every now and then.
I'm making a chicken chili tomorrow. Oh, okay.
For diet? Yeah. Chicken chili's healthy.
Yeah. You get a white chili.
How much butter are you putting in it? No butter. Oh, okay.
No, this Monday is the diet day, and then you go back to it on Tuesday. Yeah.
You get a one-day diet. Yeah.
Alright, I want to talk about the giant... Wait, memes, what'd you have? Anything good? Turkey stuffing.
That's it? That's it. Did you guys do sausage in your stuffing? Because I do.
It's awesome. My mom makes the best stuffing.
Really? How many people in America do you think say that? How many people are in America? Hundreds of millions. Did you guys see the viral tweet that was so funny? It's like, my grandma's in uh shack celtics era of cooking it was like i had like 50 000 retweets it was sad when it when it goes it goes um all right yeah no i want to talk about the giants real quick because we always memes and i'd say oh the bears and the jets are similar the bears and the giants Giants are the similarity because outside of the obviously two Super Bowls, which changed everything.
The Giants are in the same situation where they have an idiot fail son running an organization into the ground. Last 10 years, they've been to the playoffs twice.
They've won one playoff game. They've had, I think, three winning seasons out of last 14 they've won they're 78 and 128 and i think reading the like seeing what giants fans are saying it's like the same frustration where it's you switch out coaches you switch out john mara is the one who's calling the shots and he's going to keep fucking things up and every quarterback that they've had recently seems to play exactly the same too yeah they look identical when they're out there on the field yeah so i i feel like uh i have one guy to fix the giants it's bill belichick i like that i mean he's got he loves history he loves nfl history where you know he started everything and not where he actually started i think he started with the lions but where you know defensive coordinator for lawrence taylor and everything a founding organization he goes in and he just runs the whole show i feel like i feel like that could happen i think their legacy this most recent mirror legacy might be and he would probably like to get the the record with the giants yeah i was to say, I think that his legacy might be ending any semblance of anything interesting ever happening on Hard Knocks again.
Yeah. That might be it because of the Saquon thing.
Yeah. No team is going to want to put out film of their GM fucking something up so, so terribly that it'll just be a stain on the franchise forever.
You're not going to get anything good from Hard Knocks. No.
And it's really a shocking clip. I rewatch it every now and then.
Yeah. I'm just like, holy shit.
You really said it. They have had the most hilarious 18-year run as a franchise.
Yeah. Because, I mean, yeah, obviously you trade it all for the two Super Bowls.
Especially over the Patriots and Tom Brady. That's where they deviate from the Jets and the Bears.
But in terms of the last decade, they have been horrendously, horrendously bad. And they don't put together winning seasons.
They have no continuity. They fire coaches.
They fire GMs. And it's because they've got an idiot son running the whole organization.
That's what happens. Find someone else.
This is where the Jets, as bad as Woodyody johnson is he actually goes for it he's an idiot of a different kind he but he didn't inherit the team i think he's got some idiot family members too yeah he does but he didn't inherit the team and be like i'm just gonna be an idiot uh he's the idiot he is the idiot woody johnson's he is the idiot but he he tries really hard whereas like the Maros and the McCaskies in the last decade again I have to qualify because they obviously Giants won they just are like we own a NFL team this is sick we're just gonna print money and and do things the right way and hope it works I think the the Giants and the Bears are similar in that they care they both care very very deeply about running a classy organization and they that's what that's what winning is to them we run a classy organization

Virginia McCaskey didn't let swear words we have on the hard knocks we have a lot of dark stained

wood in our offices right yeah every everything in our house smells like a football yeah that

that's what they want ties we're all wearing ties all the time yeah books of football lore in in our

10,000 square foot

Thank you. Yeah.
That's what they want. Ties.
We're all wearing ties all the time. Yeah.
Books of football, lore in our 10,000 square foot studies. And we can't run a team, but we love football.
Yeah. And the history of the game.
And the meetings and all that stuff. They love that shit, not the actual game.
Okay. Yeah, the Cowboys, I do think Mike McCarthy has saved his job.
I don't think the Giants are going to win another game, by the way. It might not.
Especially Dexter Lawrence, I think, out for the season. Yeah, I believe so.
They might not. And I don't know if they're going to go back to Tommy DeVito.
It doesn't really matter. No.
I like Tracy, the running back. He's not bad.
Yeah. And they are now 11 games without an interception.
So that's quite something. Yep.
All right. Packers 30, Dol packers 30 dolphin 17 i mean this was the most obvious game ever mike mcdaniel was shivering on the sidelines he was all bundled up too he was shivering on the sidelines it was it was a bad scene and then to it did not rewrite the narratives no he still hasn't won a game under 40 degrees i believe yeah and i mean they a valiant comeback late that was like, hey, maybe if they score they got stopped at the goal line.
But the stat that – there's two stats that are like – when everyone's like, hey, you can't just say candy-ass uniforms, the Dolphins can't win in the cold. I have two stats for you that show you you absolutely can.
The first one is the Dolphins had 20 missed tackles to give up 132 extra yards a that's a cold weather stat that's a i don't want to get my nose in into the pile i don't want to tackle anyone and the second stat is mike mcdaniel was literally shivering on the side he was so cold he was so cold he looked like the kid from the the christmas story yeah bundled up he couldn't like move his extremity if he had to challenge a call i don't think he'd be able to find the flag uh yeah they uh they didn't even wear their most candy ass uniforms either no wore the old school dolphin with a helmet which is that's that's breaking all the glass in case of emergency for the golf the dolphins to look as tough as possible they should make one of those where the dolphins wearing a helmet with the guardian cap on yeah that would rock yeah but yeah it doesn't look like i mean they had to win this one if they wanted some hope they did not yeah now they can play spoiler they can play spoiler I think they still technically they need they need uh the Broncos to start losing yeah Colts and the Dolphins need the Broncos to start losing to have a chance but yeah that that was it uh to get back to 500 and the Packers I'm officially very very nervous that this Thursday night football game against the Lions, the Packers win this game. I'm already on the Packers look incredible.
Cause Jordan loved, hasn't thrown an interception last two weeks. Josh Jacobs.
They're running game. I tried to tell myself that that was a waste of money and it is not.
Cause he is really fucking good. They have become what the 49ers were in the past.
Yeah. Watching them run the football is it's interesting.

It's entertaining.

I like doing it.

I'm worried.

I'm officially worried about the Packers.

By the way, here's a fun stat. The Lions, the Packers, and the Vikings are 27 and three against all teams, not themselves.

So they all have lost a single game against a non-NFC North team.

It's pretty crazy. Yeah.
27 and three. They're all really, really fucking good.
Yeah. I'm looking at the AFC picture right now.
It's going to be all three. It's going to be tough.
Yeah. It's going to be all three.
Yeah, we could have. We actually very much could have.
We're right there. Oh, we're right there.
That's what they're fucking telling us. It's going to be tough.
They need the Colts and the Broncos to start losing. Yeah, that's exactly what it is.
And they need them to lose fast. But yeah, the Packers are really good.
That Thursday night football game, this Packers-Lions game is going to be... That's because if the Packers win this game, they could win the North.
Yeah, oh, easily. It's not ruling it out and because i think they still have a game against the vikings left that if they if they beat the vikings that would obviously put the vikings with another loss uh i mean it's going to be crazy watching this like if the packers win this game they're looking at hey we could win the north and if they lose this game they're they're basically like all right we're we're a road team on wildcard weekend.
Yeah, the Packers are 9-3, and the Vikings are right there 10-2 and 11-1. This is going to tell everything.
This is going to tell everything. Max, you're the biggest Packers fan on earth on Thursday night.
Yeah, I was a huge Bears fan this week, last weekend, too. I know.
Sorry we let you down. Yeah.
Who do the Lions lions have left do they have any hard games left besides obviously playing the vikings in the uh i guess i mean playing playing the bears outside who knows thomas brown might might get the boys going so if the if that were to happen if the lions were to lose the packers and the niners and fall to the uh the first wild card, what would that mean for their first-round matchup? They might go to Atlanta. The Packers? No, the Lions, if the Lions fell back.
Oh, yeah, yeah. If the Packers ended up winning the North or the Vikings won the North? Yeah, they could travel to Atlanta and just beat the fuck out of the Falcons.
It's just crazy because the Lions have been so good, and they are so good. But because the Vikings and the Packers are also so good, a division that they could have ran away with is still very much up for grabs, really depending on Thursday Night Football.
If the Lions win the game on Thursday Night Football, it's almost a wrap because they have already beaten the Vikings, and they play the Vikings at home. So that kind of seals it.
But if they lose that game, it's way up for grabs. Yep.
It's crazy. All right, yeah, the Packers are really good.
I'm scared. I'm very, very scared.
All right, last game that we're going to talk about from Thursday and Friday, Chiefs and Raiders. Chiefs 19, Raiders 17.
PFT, you should have put it as your pick. I should have put it as my pick.
But I didn't give it out as my pick. I gave Moneyline.
It's true. It's a missed bet.
I have to put my hand up and say bad bet. The Chiefs are.
That was the most Chiefs game ever. At the start of the game, looked like they were going to kill the Raiders.
The Raiders come back. Aiden O'Connell, shout out.
Not bad. Ballsy.
Max Crosby was doing his Max Crosby thing where he just – he has to piss off Patrick Mahomes more than any player on earth. Oh, yeah.
Because he was doing like little extra jabs here and there. Patrick Mahomes was complaining to the refs.
And then we had the last play, which for all the conspiracy theorists out there, it was just red meat. Well, I want to go back to the drive before that last drive.
Yeah, yeah. So Antonio Pierce, he had the ball in plus territory.
The Raiders down by one point. Three minutes left on the clock.
Let me ask you a question, Paquette. If you give the ball, would you want to give the ball back to Patrick Mahomes when Patrick Mahomes had a lead? I would not.
With three minutes left?

I would not.

All right, so Antonio Pierce did, and he sent his punt team out there. And then somebody on the sidelines was like, hey, Antonio Pierce, just a reminder, that's Patrick Mahomes on the opposite sideline.
Might not want to do that. So he did my favorite move in all sports, which is he called the think it over timeout.
Yep. To think it over.
and his decision coming out of that timeout was to send his kicker out there

who had missed two field goals of 55 and over yards i believe yep to try a 58 yard field goal yep shocker it actually landed short yeah of the upright so then you give the ball back to patrick mahomes with three minutes left and actually you get the ball back yep after that but it was just an insane decision I don't know what his decision tree was on that I I don't know what he was thinking um he doesn't really think it ended up working out for him so I guess I'm the idiot but they got the ball back drive down the field and then we get to the point where it's here come the refs yeah because uh the final play where the Chiefs get fumble, there is a ref that runs on the field that calls it a false start. Did he call it a false start? So there's some discussion going on.
Yeah. The Raiders are claiming that some people on the field heard a whistle.
Yeah. I don't know if I heard a whistle or not, but it was an illegal shift that they ended up calling after they got together to talk about it.
But the ref coming in from the sideline, it looked like he was calling a false start, I believe. And then he changed it to a legal shift, which then made it so that the place stood and the fumble counted.
Yes. So I guess it could have been thrown as a false start.
And then after the fact, he was like, let's just make this illegal shift because i'm not sure if it if they were going sideways or forward the bottom line is uh yeah the chiefs i get why they use the meme now yeah this game flipped it for me i get it i get it you guys lost this game you win i can't i'm done fighting against it the chiefs your fans your team your whole city whatever you're doing i want a part that. You guys are doing the right thing because they are 11-1.
They have the worst point differential of any 11-1 team in history. Ten consecutive playoff bursts.
You know what second worst is? Who? It's the 1976 Raiders. They won the Super Bowl.
Yeah. I don't think the Chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl this year, and I say that with caution because it is still Patrick Mahomes,

but their offensive line, and I know they got TJ Humphreys,

who's still working back from ACL.

Their offensive line is bad.

They shifted in the middle of the game.

Their left tackle stinks.

They're like, we can't figure this out.

I think they put Tooney at left tackle. Their offensive line is bad.
Their secondary has not been good. It feels like they're just holding on, and if they go up against a team with a really good pass rush, it's going to be very hard for the Chiefs.
Now, it's still Patrick Mahomes, so I say this with a lot of caution because he'll probably just end up winning the game and we'll be like, how the fuck did they do this? But it does feel a little bit different in that. Like it feels more 2019 chiefs who went to the Super Bowl, the COVID year or no, was it 2020 before COVID? It was 2020 in Miami.
They won that. They won that Super Bowl.
Then they won and then COVID hit. Yeah.
So it was a 2020 season where they played the bucks and patrick mahomes got had no time in the super bowl and the bucks were all over them and so they still might go to the super bowl so we don't we don't want to say that patrick mahomes won't win a super bowl we don't we don't want to we're fighting against it with every fiber of our being the chiefs are making us believe that you guys are doing it to yourselves i think chiefs fans though know that this feels a little different than last year where it was like okay they're kind of fucking around but they still have the fundamentals here of like a team that can win a Super Bowl and they obviously still can but this one feels like I don't I mean Patrick Mahomes went 113 games without a five sack game he's now been sacked five times by the Panthers last week. And then the Raiders five times this week.
So two in a row. And they could get, you know, like I said, they made a signing.
They could get healthier. But as it stands right now, I don't feel super optimistic.
And they also are going to be in a fight for the one seed. Yeah.
Did you hear Al Michaels kind of shitting on streaming? What are he say? During the game? Well, they missed a punt. We missed a whole punt.
Yeah, we missed a punt. We missed a play that'll be lost to history.
Nobody saw it happen. Who knows what happened and what the crisis actors at the game were told to say afterwards.
But Al Michaels was like, yeah, they wouldn't do that on linear, but they'll do that to us on streaming. And then he just kind of proceeded to take a shit on Amazon.
I love Al Michaels and his I don't give a fuck. Yes.
It's pretty good. Yes.
He does not care. He'll just say whatever.
I also Black Friday game. I don't even know.
Does Al Michaels like what does he eat on Thanksgiving? Does he steak? Just steak. Yes.
Steak. Steak for sure.
I wanted to say I saw this funny tweet. I wanted to shout out from stats guy daniel he said steelers chiefs on christmas day is just going to be 57 minutes of both teams doing everything possible to keep it a one score game before mike tomlin and patrick homes reveal who negotiated the better deal with the devil to win in the most unthinkable way possible nailed it nailed it that's what they do uh the raiders why by the way did we get a Chador Sanders tweet? Oh we did oh he was he was playing in a game yeah we did not he was playing in a game on friday so i i don't let's see did he do it on thanksgiving after the giants lost i don't know i did not check up on that i know that i did check on it for uh for friday how did his game go on friday uh he played well.
He had three touchdown passes to this really outstanding receiver. What's his name? Number 12, whatever that is.
Can someone look up number 12 for us? Shadur Sanders has tweeted, thank you God, an hour ago. Oh, so it's a Sunday thing.
He did it an hour ago. It's a Sunday thing.
Travis Hunter is the name. Travis Hunter.
I thought he played cornerback. He does.
Yeah. Look at it again.
And he scored three touchdown passes. He didn't.
Did he have an interception too? What? Wow. Damn.
We got to look up this guy. We should probably do some research for him.
Oh, is that the guy that did the Heisman pose twice? Oh. I was.
What is the Heisman pose? I think he kept doing it. They kept talking about it.
If you're good enough to win the Heisman, you do it. I don't know.
You know what? To the AWLs, we're going to look up this Travis Hunter guy. We'll give you a report on Wednesday.
Yeah, I just thought it was an interesting pose. And I was like, if that's a trophy, that must be a pretty prestigious trophy because that's a cool pose.
Yeah, that was the most Chiefs way for them to win the game. Just so classically Chiefs.

Hank, did you have Raiders money line?

Yeah, I saw it.

Yeah.

Look at Hank's face.

You knew he had Raiders money line.

Oh, I did too.

Oh, I'm sorry, Hank.

That was tough.

But it was so Chiefs.

It's the Patriots deal with the devil where you guys would win games like this.

There's been like 20 of them this year.

This year feels crazy.

The Patriots also were like, I feel like going against the the refs the chiefs have the refs in their pocket

i can't i don't know specifically you had the tuck rule i did see one person was like the patriots never had this deal with the devil and then someone just quotes you with the miles jack play yeah that one or d ford offsides yeah he was off but okay so jack one i i do i do say the the deal with the devil and like uh you know it's crazy they keep getting away with it but the actual reality of it is the chiefs make winning plays at winning time and like that's they're a team that will never get blown out and they will always be in that spot where if you make a mistake, they'll capitalize on it. So it's a combo of, yes, it looks like luck, but I also think it's just they're really fucking good and if you fuck up at all, they'll just jump on you and win the game.
Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? They are almost daring us to doubt them. Yeah.
You're doing all that you can.

I don't want to do it.

I think that's the only way that they can get amped up

is to have all the doubters show up.

I don't want to do it, but you're making me think about doing it.

I'm starting to do it.

I don't want to.

By the way, Max Crosby, 387 consecutive snaps,

which I think that's the most since 2016.

He just does it every year.

He just rips off another consecutive snaps record. Yeah.
It's nuts. It's nuts.
All right, should we take a break and we'll go to... Oh, yeah.
Raiders fans, Brock Bowers is awesome. True.
He's so fucking good. That's cool that you have him.
And AOC didn't look bad either. No, he didn't look bad.
Wonder. I don't know if they'll win another game, but...
He looks like you looks like you he does look a little bit like me i was gonna say it looks a little bit like derrick carr with the the mascara you both got that vibe that mustache a little bit of maybe could lose a couple just if we're being factual could lose a couple uh all right let's get to our sunday games before we do that pft you got of ads. All protein bars generally taste the same, but not one bars.
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We have Steelers 44, Bengals 38. I think the Bengals officially are done.
They got to take the ping pong table out now. They got to take the ping pong table out.
Mike Tomlin is now secured above 500 for his 18th consecutive season. So he's not had a losing record.
There was maybe a 500 record in there. 18 straight seasons.
He has not been under 500 as an NFL coach. That is insane.
And I'll say this, the Steelers, uh, I was impressed with them because I was, I was searching around for the, for the F word for the Steelers. I did not think they could win in a shootout.
That's exactly what they did. Russell Wilson was awesome throwing for over 400 yards.
Their defense made a couple of huge plays, big turnovers. Uh, yeah, the Steelers, that was big.
That was a big win. Yeah, huge.
Russell Wilson looked awesome. Najee Harris looks light.
He's weak to weak with how he looks around the football. Yeah, that was a big part of the game is they got him going, both in the screen game and running.
Yeah, so do you remember early in the game when he pulled up a little bit and everybody thought his hamstring was fucked up? Yep. All right, so they asked him about that thanksgiving he said pat friarmuth's girlfriend jill made some fire ass banana something and i guess he overindulged a little bit did nausea hair shit himself in the first quarter i think that's what that means right i think you're right i think nausea harris pooped himself when he ran that's why he pulled up like his hamstring was hurt when he grabbed grabbed it at the back of his leg, he's grabbing his butthole.
Yeah. Because he's pooping on himself.
But he looked awesome today. Yeah.
He looked really good. Now, it was against the Bengals' defense, and the Bengals' defense might have gotten worse out of the bye.
Yeah. If that was possible.
So the Bengals are 2-4 when they score over 30 points. The rest of the league is 75-3.
Yeah. When it comes to 33 points the bangles have four losses every other team in the league has one loss yeah this might be the end of the bangles dynasty the bangles defense has given up 34 or more points six times this year that's insane yeah six times we should say they have a three percent chance at making the playoffs i percent there and they've converted from being a we have to run the table in terms of wins now they're saying every drive is a must score drive tomorrow chase was like we i think we could we need to score on every single drive from now on because our defense can't stop anybody if they score a touchdown on every drive i think they would make the playoffs at this point i don't think they would they would you don't think so no because all the other teams have to lose no they need to score on every drive but also the other teams have to not score on every drive yeah they don't they don't control their own destiny like they can't say hey if we score on every drive we're good yeah they gotta be like hey we gotta score on every drive and also the colts have to The Dolphins have to never score again.
The Broncos have to never score again. It's pretty bad.
It's everyone. They got no chance.
It's over. And this has to be one of the most frustrating seasons for a fan base.
Because if I told you in August that we would be sitting here on the week of Thanksgiving and Joe Burrow would have 30 touchdowns, 5 interceptions and 3,300 yards in 12 games with a 68% completion percentage, you'd be like the Bengals are vying for the one scene. And how many interceptions is that? Five.
Five? And at least two or three of those are on badly deflected passes off the hands of his own receivers. Now he does have fumbles too.
He had two fumbles in this game that was bad. But still, Joe Burrow has played statistically his best season and you've completely wasted it because your defense fell off a cliff and your owner is a cheap ass.
Are we in a zone where it might be so bad, their defense might be so bad, that maybe Joe Burrow MVP is back on a little bit?

I mean, I put a little on him offensive player of the year

because I made the bet thinking Saquon might win MVP

and then they'll give offensive player of the year to the best quarterback.

Yeah.

And he's been the best quarterback.

His team stinks.

And if a running back wins MVP,

then they wouldn't necessarily have to give offensive player of the year to just the best quarterback on the best team i think i got it like 90 to one or something um no that can't be right uh yeah but either way joe burrow's been awesome and you've completely wasted a year of joe burrow's prime and like that's that would kill me as a fan and t higgins last year yeah yoshi looks pretty good though yeah but still like 90 to 1 a couple years ago you thought that this team was set up your windows open that window sorry yeah sorry about your window yeah that was bad that was bad so um yeah the bangles are dead i'm done i'm done thinking about them i'm done i mean they're still fun watch because they play in shootouts. But like this game was not an AFC North game at all with the way the first half went.
And again, I think the Steelers like winning in this style. I did not think they had it into him.
Maybe George Pickens was right. It was the snow that made them bad against the Browns.
And George Pickens, by the way, back. He did it all.
He did it all. He got he got for unsportsmanlike for simulating a gun.
But he claims, and we can watch the tape, he claims he was signaling first down after he got a first down. Got it.
Now, he did pull a trigger at the end of the first down. Which you have to do.
Which you have to do. I mean, who's to say that that was a gun? You just pulled the trigger on the first down.
He scored a touchdown, had a bunch of really good plays, got shot a fake gun, threw a ball in an opponent's face, and then punted a ball after scoring his touchdown. It was great.
He did it all. He did it all.
It was great. I love that guy.
And Tomlin said after, he's like, George has to grow up. No, I don't think so.
No, no, just let George be George. They did have a moment where Tomlin got into his face on the sidelines a little bit.
I don't know what Tomlin could be saying to George Pickens that he hasn't already said probably like 40 to 50 times already. But yeah, Tomlin Tomlin likes having a little bit of chaos on his team.
So you can tell he gets off on it. Tomlin has quickly become one of my favorite coaches because he just feels like even the videos after in the locker room where he's dancing with like Najee Harris he's the best guy ever and you get why he can handle like having an Antonio Brown or a you know George Pickens or Ben Roethlisberger on your on his team because he's just stable and he's like he's just down with the down with the dudes and he's like like, I'll be here for you no matter what.

Like, George Pickens on any other team, I feel like, is not as good

and maybe, like, fails and has shit happen that's bad.

But on the Steelers, he's still crazy, but Tomlin knows how to harness the crazy.

So what's the difference between the Bears, the Giants, and the Steelers?

Because the Steelers have that old school family.

Yeah, yeah.

We're a classy organization thing, but they're just really good.

They're really good.

Yeah, and they get coaches and they keep them.

And also they've had quarterbacks.

Well, they get good coaches.

They have Ben Roethlisberger.

That was a big thing.

Yeah, you could also say, okay, it probably wouldn't be the best thing for the Bears to keep a lot of the coaches.

Correct.

Correct.

But Ben Roethlisberger would probably be the big one. And then obviously their defense.
I feel like maybe it's also the jerseys. The towels.
When they put on the jerseys, their defense is just good. The towels, too.
Like if you did a video game, you put on the Steelers jersey, and it's just plus five points defense. What do you think the score of the game would have been on the Thanksgiving night game if the Packers and the Dolphins had just changed jerseys? It would have been a one score.
I think the Packers still win. Packers win by three.
No, I think the Packers might lose, actually. They might lose.
Imagine Jordan Love in a Dolphins jersey. And you maybe gave a coat to Mike McDaniel.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, Russ, though. I was very wrong about Russ.
414 yards, three touchdowns. His third 400-yard game in his career.
I would never have guessed that he had a 400-yard game still left in him. Yeah.
But he does. They're winning shootouts.
Winning shootouts. That's what I said.
The Steelers winning this game, the style they won this game, I'm like, all right, I was wrong. Like, Steelers are not frauds.
And they still have a tough schedule down the stretch. But, yeah, with their defense gets a little healthy, they just got dudes everywhere.
And even though their defense got lit up a little bit, I mean, the Bengals would do that to anyone, they still made the big plays when they had to. We're going to get some good quotes from Jamar Chase as the season concludes.
Yeah. I feel like he does not give a fuck.
He's just going to say whatever's on his mind. I feel bad for Joe Burrow.
It's not. I mean, you just wasted.
You can't waste these seasons when you have a quarterback like Joe Burrow. Yep.
You can't. Okay.
Next game. Chargers 17, Falcons 13.
This is one of those games where the Chargers were lucky to win because their offense couldn't do anything, and the Falcons, you've got a problem, and he's a friend of the show, but Kirk Cousins has been bad the last three weeks, and he threw four interceptions today. Some really, really bad picks, too.
The one in the end zone, the pick six was bad, too. I mean, was as about as bad as a four pick day can be my theory is that it's like james harden when he would play in cities that had really good strip clubs yeah he'd always play poorly kirk cousins does the same when very popular iconic musicals come out in theaters and so he's been up all night singing along and not focused on his playbook yeah i don I don't know if there's anything to that, but he looked bad today.
He looked bad. The pick six was really bad, and then the end zone interception was really, really bad.
And it was the hard part for the Falcons is the Falcons defense has not shown up in a lot of games. They did today they so the Falcons defense has had five sacks total in the last six games they had five today they were they they didn't let the Chargers do anything the Chargers had 187 total yards the the Falcons had uh 24 first downs to the Chargers 10 and they should have like the Falcons kept on going into the red zone not getting anything out of it missing field goals interceptions that's a game that you're gonna look and be like how did we lose that game because they should have won that game the Chargers offense couldn't do anything and you sack Justin Herbert five times and man you Kirk Cousins that was that was a tough one it was a very tough one so they've got the the Vikings but then they've got some winnable games after that too for the Falcons.
Yeah. So, Hank, thank you for sending a reminder to remind us to bet against the Falcons in the playoffs.
I feel very confident about that crystal ball pick. Yeah.
I think it's going to work out. They just don't look like a good team.
No. No, they've lost three in a row now.
Basically, they just need play the box for their offense to look good yep uh hank sorry about your chargers to not make the playoffs but did not make that bet because it looks like they're gonna make the playoffs yeah they're eight and four so so are the commanders yeah we'll get to that agreed we'll get to that uh yeah like i feel like if you're a charger if you're the chargers and your charge fan you you go go off a short week against you know an emotional game on monday night against the ravens however you win don't apologize for the win but they their offensive line looks like it needs some help and jk dobbins being out hurts them a lot because they do want to run the ball and they haven't been able to yeah their offense was not good at all today i think most charges fans would say that was like a painful thank god we won this right exactly it just walk away and be like thank god we won in the falcons you wasted a really good defensive effort uh yeah kirk do they do they make the switch people are asking people are, is it time for Penix?

And then what do you do with Kirk Cousins?

He's got zero touchdowns and six interceptions the last six games.

Sorry, three games.

Salary fully guaranteed for at least next year, right?

I mean, there's one team I could think of that would be a perfect fit for Kirk Cousins.

Who's that?

The man is shaking his head right now.

I mean, think about it.

Picture it.

Yeah, I could.

I could see it. Kirk Cousins.
I could see it. Kirk Cousins to the Jets.
Yeah. I could see it.
No. Why not? We already got one guy with a torn Achilles.
Yeah, true. Yeah, I would take a shot on Kirk.
Shout out Tarheeb still, by the way, because he had two picks. He had the pick six, another pick, and then he also broke up that pass on the last drive to Drake London that kind of sealed the game.
Yeah. So he was awesome.
But yeah, Chargers. Good job.
High fives everywhere around. You won a tough game, and now you're looking like you're going to be in the playoffs.
Yeah. Okay.
Vikings 23, Cardinals 22. This is another one where don't apologize for wins because the Vikings looked bad for three quarters.
They had 100 yards of offense late in the third quarter, and then Sam Darnold happened, and he was awesome down the stretch. Led on two two touchdown drives they were down 19 six with 443 left in the third quarter he was 12 for 17 156 yards and two touchdowns for the rest of the game so he won them that game this is what i love about kevin o'connell is he gets quarterbacks that have in their past look like they they're timid they're slow to process they don't trust themselves they're not confident and when they play for him they just look like everything's fast yeah like they know exactly what to do and it could be a backup quarterback like Dobbs it could be Darnold it could be anybody it could be Kirk Cousins but they look like just a way more confident version of themselves all the time and he must be an awesome guy which is why probably Daniel Jones yeah wants to go out there and just be like hey just tell me i'm pretty yeah make me feel good about myself for a little bit uh because i'm i'm gun shy about everything else i do think that there is there was an insane coaching decision in this yeah uh yeah where where gannon kicked that field goal i think from the four yard line yeah he was up three right and he's up three was up three for the four-yard line.
Kicked a field goal to make it six points. I feel like every time that happens, the other team wins.
Six points is the worst lead in football. I agree.
Because you basically, like, if you're up three, you're going to call offense a little differently, and you're going to play for the field goal, be a little field goal be a little more conservative if you're up six you're basically saying to the other team you have to go score a touchdown and that's exactly what the vikings did if you're up six you might as well be tied and it's overtime right and if you if you go for the touchdown there and get it you are winning the game you're up two scores you've won the game by the way if you're up one and you kick the field goal i like it yeah i like that a lot yeah up I like that a lot. If you're up three, I don't like it.
No, because it's like you didn't change anything really. Yeah.
The other team's just going to go even harder. The urgency's going to be there.
Kevin O'Connell. They have every fourth down now.
Stathole Sports pointed this out. Kevin O'Connell is now 24-10 in one-score games.
24-10. Pretty good coach.
That is a really good coach. Yeah.
No, Kevin O'Connell is a very good coach. And yeah, the Vikings like that was Sam.
Sam Donald won that game. He was 0 and 23 in games when he was trailing by 13 plus points until today.
I also like their strategy of when teams take away Justin Jefferson just hitting up Jordan Addison all the time. Yeah.
And then teams like, fuck, we can't let beat us and then they have justin jefferson just jefferson makes a big catch in fourth quarter he was by the way just jefferson was the fourth player all time to have a thousand yards in his first five seasons pretty impressive he's really fucking good yep um and yeah this was a game where it felt like the vikings were gonna lose the whole game because they couldn't do anything offensively. Their defense played well.
Bend, don't break. The Cardinals essentially, all they had to do was convert one of those red zone trips into a touchdown instead of kicking all these field goals, and they win this game.
And now they're looking at it and be like, we've lost two straight, and the Seahawks winning. Seahawks now have a game lead in the NFC West.
That was a missed opportunity, just like the Falcons. It as a missed opportunity for the card that one that crazy field goal too like best case scenario you go up six points and you also give them like 24 20 yards of extra field position correct correct i agree i wrote it down as well i was like this is a six point lead is the worst lead to have in football yeah what six point lead would be the worst i feel like 14 to 20 is pretty bad yeah because then you see the 21 20 21 20 you know it's gonna be 21 16 10 that's pretty bad as well 16 to actually you're right yeah 16 10 that is the worst because you just can see it you're like oh they're just gonna score a touchdown they're gonna have 17 13 7 2 i feel like it's more common yeah Yeah, 13-7 as well.
Yeah, those are bad leads.

What was it?

1913?

That one was... I'd rather be losing.

1913.

No, no, no.

Sorry.

1913, you got some cushion.

Yeah, that's a big one.

This one was 22-16.

They were up 19-6, and then it became 22-16.

22-16 is not bad.

Yeah.

That's sizable. Yeah, that one I actually...
Yeah, now that we're talking it out, I actually kind of agree with the field goal. Yeah.
To go from 19-16 to 22-16, you feel like you won the game. Yeah, 25-31.
That's a pretty big lead, too. Yeah, no.
24-30, kind of like, yeah, 24-30, you're going to lose that game. I think Jonathan Gannon might be vindicated.
I can understand why he got tripped up. You look at the score in 19-16, you're kicking a field goal every time to go up 22-16.
You're like, that doesn't make sense. A touchdown doesn't get to 23.
Oh, shit, yeah, it does. It does.
In fact, it does. But you could easily make that mistake.
What about 18 to 12? No, that's just – That's not a football score. You're just in a funky – that's just so many field goals.
It's just a year. You're just like, they're going to kick another field goal because that's all we've been doing.
I think the Steelers beat the Falcons 18 to 12 this week one. Things have changed.
That's weird if I – Oh, is that all all the field goals yeah that's like uh you've been watching too much football maybe go outside for a little bit if i'm thinking about that that feels like a falcons stealer score doesn't uh yeah it does uh yeah i the cardinals they're gonna kick themselves not having this game and the vikings i mean sam darnold i was impressed sam darnold they sam darnold won them this the defense again Ben don't break but like they were stuck in the mud, Sam Darnold. I was impressed.
Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold won them this game.
The defense, again, Ben, don't break.

But, like, they were stuck in the mud in Sam Darnold.

And Aaron Jones fumbles.

They put him in the doghouse, and he makes the big touchdown catch.

Vikings are good.

The NFC North is fucking.

It's a dogfight.

Yeah.

It's a dogfight.

Okay.

Next game.

Talk about an ass kicking.

PFT, you're back. 42.
Commanders, 42. Titans, 19.
That was an ass-kicking. It was a get right.
It was a get right, we got right. I actually think that was, if you had to script a realistic, worst way to start a game, the Titans did it.
Yeah, 21-0 in the first quarter. And it was almost 28-0 in 28 nothing in the first quarter too yeah just everything went poorly for the titans and the titans believe it or not did have the second best total defense yeah of any team in the nfl going in this game now yes a lot of that was because their special teams are so bad that a lot of opponents get short field position on them yeah so they don't give up a lot of yards sometimes when they're just you know fumbling like crazy on punt returns and shit but uh yeah it was it just took care of business and the haters out there they said that we couldn't make the playoffs the haters are furious the haters can't believe that they would ever make such a dumb bet and that was that was the goal for the commanders this entire season just make the playoffs that's our super bowl yeah and we took one step closer that 83 likelihood to make the playoffs now there you go had to have it had to have it now we're going to a bye i hate the late buys too it's way too late to have a bye but more importantly jayden daniels proved that he can win in cold weather because i don't think he's ever played a game that was 41 degrees of kickoff oh and he did he did the same thing that he does in every game which he he just stands there smiling with his hands in his pockets.
That's like athletic Ben Ments. Max.
Where did you get that 80% from? 83% chance to make the playoffs on the internet. I'm seeing 70%.
Have they updated it with the results of today's games? Yes. I updated it, and I saw...
Can you guys see this computer screen? Yeah. It says 70.
Yeah, go to a different website. It's basically 83.
Go to a different website, because I don't think your website's good, Max. What? This is NFL.
I think you got a bad... I don't think that they've updated it with all the results yet.
Are they updated with all the results, Max? Yes. By the way, the Titans...
Maybe your 83% was before the results were updated. No, it was post.
The Titans start was punt, punt, fumble, fumble. 11 penalties in the first half.
And before they ran their 10th offensive snap, it was 28-0. Yeah.
10th offensive snap, it was 28-0. Yeah, and hey, Cliff Kingsbury, I don't know if you listen to the pod or you just listen to literally everybody else,

but very first play of the game, he put Terry McLaurin on the right side of the field.

Yeah.

Which he's never done this year.

And he ran the ball.

And he ran the ball.

The 39 carries for 246 yards.

The big question, though, is...

I'm looking at 85% now.

Oh, it just went up in the last two minutes?

Yeah.

On what website?

Maybe because the Niners are losing could be pfts on microsoft paint right now yeah just making my own graphic right here look at this he was just typing in he was just drawing his own 85 percent two percent soupy whoa i'm liking that uh i'm not thinking soupy though i'm not max You literally just said soupy By saying the word soupy You were thinking about the word soupy You literally spent Thanksgiving thinking about soupy I made a soupy Max are you worried? No I can read Max a little bit The commanders looked awesome today I can read Max a little bit They played the fucking Titans Okay, but they looked awesome You struggled with the Ravens That's basically the same thing I thought that Max was rooting for the Bucs today Because he would rather play the Bucs in the playoffs No, they lose to the Bucs We get smoked by the Bucs They've lost their last million games to the Bucs They lose to the Bucs. We get smoked by the Bucs.
They've lost their last, like, a million games to the Bucs. They lose to the Bucs both now and historically.
Yeah. I'm just looking forward to our game coming up on December 22nd, Max.
I'm hoping that gets flexed on Monday night. I feel like it could.
I will be there no matter what. How are you guys, Hank and PFT? We're great.
We haven't discussed anything. Do you want to discuss? I don't want to talk to Hank right now.
No, I mean, I said I picked the Titans today, and I admitted that I let PFT's hatred and meanness and ugliness towards me cloud my judgment. Oh.
And his hate turned into hate. See, now he's in your head.
Rent free. And, yeah, I admit it.
And it was a good bounce back. The commander showed me a lot.
That's probably a bad bet. And that's it.
It was never personal, so I don't know why it's got to be. How happy would you have been if the Titans won this game? That would have been quite some potting.
Yeah, I would have been have been pretty happy i mean there's three teams that are a game back in the lost column yeah 85 percent stop it hank 85 percent hank and i uh yeah we're at each other's throats don't talk he wishes nothing but the worst for me that's not true i root for hank i got the time. I got the Commanders Super Bowl future.
I appreciate that, Hank.

You're a good guy.

Yeah, you're 8-5 in the Bucs.

Oh, maybe that's the Cardinals and the Rams are 6-6.

Is that what it was?

You're just looking at the Commanders record.

Yeah, so if the Bucs, Cardinals, and Rams won next week,

they would all be one game out.

That would be bad.

You got to root against that. That would be bad.

You got to root against that.

Would be bad.

You got to root against that hard.

Yeah, it says right here 85%. At the Saints, your schedule is...

It's not bad.

No, it basically might come down to what type of Cowboys team's going.

It might come down to the Cowboys.

It might come down to Kirk Cousins' revenge game.

Yeah.

Or Michael Penix.

Or Michael Penix.

Revenge game.

Yeah.

For not drafting.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, I'm happy that you guys are back together, kind of.

Yeah.

The offense looked really good today.

And our defense looked good.

What, Hank?

Yeah, the offense looked good.

The offense looked good. Say something nice about the Commanders.
They look great. Jane Daniels played great.
Pepsi Rookie of the Week? I also let it cloud my fantasy. I benched him on fantasy, too, and I was regretting it.
Oh, no! This is a great subplot that you were in PFT's head, and then now it's been reversed. But I'm going back to passively hating.
I'm not going to be betting against the commanders. If they lose, I'm not going to be mad, but I'm not going to be putting my chips on the table.
I don't think I got into Hank's head. I think Hank got into his own head.
Rent free. Well, no, you were just so mean to me that I was like, yeah, I don't want to see this guy happy.
Now I want them to lose. You live rent-free in your own head.
The commanders looked very good today. They did.
You get credit for killing bad teams. Yeah.
They did. The defense looked pretty good, too.
Everything. We needed a get-right game because we'd looked real bad over the previous three weeks.
So now I get a bye. Now I get a stress-free week of football, which I'm looking forward to.
Yeah. The byes.
Not having to watch your team on a Sunday. Well, I mean, your team has been fun.
But you have three teams that are chasing you, so it's not stress-free. Max is.
Sounds like you're stressed out. No, it just doesn't make sense to me.
Yeah, there will be some stress. I have stress.
I feel good. I feel good because of the way that we played today.
Now I'm like, it's like a magic. You lost to Cooper Rush and the Cowboys last week.
Yeah, but no, you don't get it. It's a magic wand.
This game happened. Now everything's fine.
It was the fucking Titans. Yeah.
Did you hear when I said that they had the second best defense in the NFL? Sick. It's the Titans.
Okay. They beat the Texans.
They also have four wins. True.
Three wins.

Three and nine.

Congratulations.

Listen, I'm happy.

You're not going to steal my happiness.

Don't be an energy vampire, Max.

Don't steal his happiness.

Allow me to grab him.

I just want expectations.

Jerry turned to him when he was up 28-0.

He was like, is this even fun for you?

He's like, I want to be like, Jerry, what are you talking about?

Yeah, it was a lot of fun.

So much fun. It was a lot of fun.
I wanted Marcus Mariio to get in for the second half. Play against the old team.
The sickos and perverts, if they had to write a script, it would be the Rams catching the commanders, Hank getting to laugh in PFT's face, and then the Rams winning the Super Bowl, and I'm losing my pinky. Yep.
Honestly. I like that.
I like the sound of that. Not from just an entertainment aspect.
Pretty good work. Pretty good work, script writer.
And the Rams beat the Eagles along the way so that you get that as well. Yeah.
Where I could just envision a podcast where I'm like in mid-January where i'm like max your team stink the rams beat

you and he's like you're gonna lose your fucking banking your rams beat the chargers in the super

bowl yeah the rams beat the chargers in the super bowl uh okay that'll probably happen yeah let's

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Okay. Colts 25, Patriots 24.
Hank. Yeah.
Basically exactly what we said in the preview. It was a fun game to watch because the past event is so bad.
Anthony Richardson looked really good. Drake May played.
He played well. He looked like a quarterback.
He won the game. His game winning drives.
He's had two game winning drives the last three weeks. And I've been very impressed with.
Yeah. And he was he was running the ball.
He was managing the game. He didn't look like he was completely lost out there like he has against other teams.
Drake may played well. I don't know.
I wanted them to win. You did.

Joey Sly almost hit that kick.

He missed a 25-yarder.

He missed a 25-yarder by 45 yards somehow.

And then, yeah, they tried to kick a 65-yard field goal.

68.

68.

Yeah.

Almost hit it.

Tried for an NFL record.

You guys, like, doubled up their yardage, too,

and just couldn't win the game in the end. Shane Steichen deserves a lot of credit for going for two.
Yeah, I respected that move. That was a ballsy move.
So there was a rumor that Juan Soto was going to be the keeper of the light before the game. What? There's a rumor out there about that.
From Jared Karabas? Instead, it was Kofi Kingston, WWE superstar. WWE legend.
Got it. So good company, Hank.
Yeah, I thought Anthony Richardson, I mean, it's the same thing every time, where some of his passes are drops. He had one interception, was very bad.
He threw for like 100 yards, and he started three for three and ended up 12 for 24. But his game-winning drives deserves a lot of credit, and that's where I'm like, oh, okay, I but i'm also not going to be like man he diced them up yeah did you do you always want to beat the colts does that still run your blood no the colts are i mean they've they have a rivalry with us we don't really have a rivalry with that yeah the rivalry's back on pain manning years even now is a rivalry but we've won most of those games and then you know andrew luck deflate gate those are all domination i mean the mayo the mayo thing is going to be the interesting team with the interesting thing with this team is they're so undisciplined there are so many penalties and they don't play good defense so why do they keep them around as a head coach that will be the question moving forward offseason etc i feel like they're going to stick with him but it doesn't make sense to me i feel like they might stick with him because robert craft would think that that's a bad look for him to fire a coach after one year yeah yeah and there was there's video you know there's videos of him being like i knew he's going to be the next patriots head coach five.
It's like, what? That was right after the Patriots won the Super Bowl. Yeah, that's weird.
Yeah, and Drake May played well. That 41-yard run was awesome.
And the interception wasn't his fault. That was a Madden glitch.
That was literally a Madden glitch where the ball fell on a guy who was on the ground and someone picked it up off of him.

Yeah, it was a good pass.

Yeah.

So disappointing in the loss, but everything's okay.

Yeah.

Fun loss.

How are the Celtics doing?

Celtics lost.

Today?

Yeah.

Fourth quarter lead, collapsed injuries.

Jalen Brown, Derek White didn't play.

Yeah, they lost. Damn.
Yeah. I'm sorry.
How are they looking in the sandings? Probably second place. Yeah? That was fun.
Any good teams that are looking pretty hot? I mean, they lost to the Cavs. The Cavs are in first.
But if we played them in the playoffs, we'd probably sweep them again. Would you be afraid of the Bucs game winning streak healthy Giannis they'd be a formidable opponent I wouldn't be afraid I'm not Celtics aren't afraid of anyone healthy healthy Celtics beat anyone that was funny what the Celtics did to the Bulls on Friday when they uh they're playing for the NBA Cup and they hit that three at the end for point differential Hauser Hauser hit the three and I felt bad about him yeah.
Yeah, it was very funny. But that's what the NBA Cup does.
You got to get the point differential. It just means more.
How are the Sixers doing on their race to get to 10 wins? I think we... So, we said by Christmas.
Yeah. What if we beat the Celtics on Christmas? Does that count as one of the 10? That would be a win.
I'm going to count that as four wins. Yeah, yeah.
Christmas Day. But it's at the start of Christmas Day or the end of Christmas? End of Christmas Day.
Okay, so then we can afford one loss. Wait.
Who's at the start of Christmas Day? Then we'd have to win every game. I think that game should count as more than one win, though.
Okay. That's a big game.
It's on Christmas. Yeah.
So, yeah, no, it's bad. You have the opportunity to ruin Hank's Christmas.
Beat the Pistons yesterday. You know what a gift that is? Wow.
I mean, there's no way. We might lose that game by 50.
Yeah. Is Joel going to play? I want him to get surgery on his knee and just clean it up.
Just clean it up. Just clean it up, take the ear off.
Oh, geez. Wow.
Cooper flag, and then we're back next year. You opted out.
You opted out. I told you I opted back in.
You can't do it. That's how it works.
Already opted in. By the way, the Colts, we should say.
So I love the Shane Steichen move going for two because you've got to win right now for the Coltsts. They basically their season comes down to they have a buy and then their game against the Broncos.
If they can beat the Broncos, they legitimately could go to the playoffs. Yeah, because that is the team right ahead of them.
And the end of their season is Titans, Giants, Jaguars. So watch out for the Colts.
It would be awesome for Anthony Richardson to get like there are I'll say this because I know I've been harsh on Anthony Richardson. I know that the Anthony Richard fans have been like you've been so mean.
I feel like I've only said facts, but the game winning drives against the Jets and the Patriots both have me being like, you know what? Keep keep running out there and see if he can he can figure this out. Hank, if it was any other quarterback that won the game against you and then did the Fortnite L dance in your face, would you be upset? I don't know.
I mean, that type of stuff gets you upset when you're a good team and you're fighting for something. Yeah.
We're in tank-a-thon mode it's like who cares you did

leave the room very abruptly i mean i had i had a big uh i had a big which it would have been more devastating when the celtics lost i had a big uh patriots bruins celtics because they all played today parlay that lost okay i noticed that and now you're for your fourth you're picking fourth. Who do you want? Travis Hunter? I know you're a big college football guy.
Yeah, I don't know. I got to do some more analyst analysis.
You got to do more analyst? You do a little more analyst? Analyst then. All right.
Speaking of who's picking first. You should do that.
You should make a big board. Hank-a-lytics.
Hank-a-lytics. Drake drink may look good that's all you got to keep saying to yourself and the interception was definitely not his fault that was an insane like how does that happen type of interception uh speaking of who's picking first the jaguars texans 23 jaguars 20 uh this was basically just the trevor lawrence holy shit he got rocked game because aziz Alshahir, that was as bad of a hit as we've seen in a long time.
Yeah, head bounced off the ground. Starting his slide, going in forearm, so shitty.
This is why it's so fucked up when Patrick Holmes is a fake slide. Yeah.
Because you're like, oh, he's not really down. And granted, Trevor Lawrence was very clearly going to the ground.
He was very much down. On this one.
Yes. It was a very dirty hit.
So much so, in fact, that D'Amico Ryans, after the game, basically threw his guy into the bus and was like, we don't coach that. Well, I mean, that also hurt their defense because the second half, the Jaguars, Mack Jones, had a little bit of a comeback.
Made it a close game. But, yeah, that was bad.
And then we. The Jaguars, credit to the Jaguars, they wanted to fight right away.
That was awesome. And then Jaguars fans started throwing shit at him.
I actually think that's okay in that, given those circumstances. I agree.
I also like when Aziz Alshahir hit him, he bounced up immediately. He was like, I didn't do it.
I didn't do anything wrong. Like what? And then was greeted by like four sets of cleats.
It looked like Biz in Scottsdale. Yeah.
They all wanted to fight him, which it was good that they all had his back. He got bootfucked.
That was a bad, bad hit. It was a bad hit.
And I still don't really believe in the Texans, but if they're going to win football games by just feeding Joe Mixon, then I think that they're a pretty good team. Yeah, he iced that.
But they're still like, I've got my doubts about him. Yeah, he iced out that game.
Their offense looked a little bit better because they didn't see a shot had time for once. Yeah.
He only got sacked twice. They didn't have a ton of penalties.
Their defense is what was bad in the fourth quarter when Mac Jones was bringing them back. I was actually shocked when I tuned into this game and looked at the screen for the first time that Doug Peterson is still in the coach oh yeah i was surprised he just i knew he hadn't been fired yet but is he the most pre-fired person in nfl history yeah i think shod con was just like i don't really want to do this right now yeah like i'll just wait till the end of the season why why why even do this yeah hank what just happened your eyes got real big matt coll Collins scored a touchdown.
Had him any time touchdown score.

There we go.

Because of the no shoes?

Because of the no shoes.

Yeah.

No shoes.

Yeah.

He's a dog.

Pills are fucking good.

We'll talk about that game when it ends.

By the way, Max has reached his ADD portion where he just stuck a quarter to his head

for like five minutes.

It's very weird.

Yeah, I don't believe in the Texans either.

Yeah.

And the Jaguars.

He's changing his mind.

Sit Trevor Lawrence for the rest of the year. Right? Yeah, yeah.
There's no reason to play him. I don't see a reason why you would bring him back.
Tank and then just basically the Jaguars are like bury the tape for the entire season. If you're the Jaguars, do you then trade the first overall pick? I think you have to, right? Possibly, yeah.
Someone's vying for it. Carolina.
Yeah, get a haul. i don't know bryce young is good i know he is bryce young is good he's fucking back uh but yeah sit him and and just just jaguars just go away like the jaguars don't need to be talked about anymore essentially yeah just opt out of the season we should opt out of all jaguars discourse who do they do they play meaningful games they have any meaningful opponents left i guess the the colts but no oh wow jaguars look this we're opting out of the jaguars who do we have officially the uh they play the titans yeah the jets uh-huh the raiders the titans again oh awesome we've opted out of the jag done.
I'm done. We're done with the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Put out a press release. The part of my take is officially done with the 2024 Jacksonville Jaguars and any discourse surrounding them.
Love that. We might, and then maybe an asterisk that says, depending on whether week 18 the Colts game has any implications.
actually says brings up a good point he says that this is actually massive for tankathon yeah all of those games are huge tankathon games yeah huge I guess so we're opted back in I will update tank we'll update tankathon in lieu of doing the Jaguars recap yeah yeah yeah we'll just do a tankathon that's when we'll talk about the Jaguars yeah yeah we will officially stop doing game recaps for the Jaguars recap. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We'll just do a tank-a-thon segment. Drop talk.
That's when we'll talk about the Jaguars. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We will officially stop doing game recaps for the Jaguars games. We'll just have it be the tank-a-thon games.
I like that. Okay, last game of the early slate.
Seahawks 26, Jets 21. Memes trying not to give eye contact.
This was... Memes, where do you want to start? This was one of the greatest first quarters of all time by any football team ever.
Okay, because I didn't know if you wanted to start with that, where the Seahawks had two fumbles on kickoffs and also gave up a 99-yard kickoff return. So they were down so fast.
They were down so quickly um i thought maybe you wanted to start with the fact that geno smith was playing the jets mark sanchez was calling the game and then someone pointed out that and and tannenbaum is doing the coach search and it's just it's like basically the gang is all back together yeah no or the Yeah, circus came to town. But yeah, that was an incredible start.

Incredible first quarter.

That's up there with the Mike White game from week eight

when we beat the Bengals.

Yep.

I lost my train of thought.

How good the first quarter was.

How good the first quarter was.

Incredible execution.

Devontae Adams, Aaron Rodgers slinging it it thought we just needed a buy they got going i thought the season was saved and then he overthrew garrett wilson in the end zone yeah that bad oh that was a bad one what happened after that as a sad and then it was a pick six uh leonard williams who's wait where did he play where did Where did he get drafted? There was a bridge team in there.

But where did he get drafted?

Yeah, originally.

He was really good when he was a rookie, right?

Where did he get drafted?

The Jets.

Oh.

So Gino Smith got drafted by the Jets?

Yeah, him too.

And Mark Sanchez got drafted by the Jets?

There was a bridge team for all three impact players for the Seahawks.

Who did Gino play for? Wait, who's the third impact player?ian love oh okay because of fumble and breeze hall and they were all on the giants oh oh what did you make the news coming out before the game that aaron rogers is unlikely to return uh i was like all right we'll move on and then that first quarter happened i was like all right let's just run it back restructure run it back yeah yeah what about say he's in the best shape of his life physically yeah he's well i should i should uh change that he said uh he feels the best that he's ever felt physically in his life feels the best he ever felt and this is a man who's done a lot of awesome drugs that make you feel really good physically so it makes sense based on that first quarter and then you saw the deterioration throughout the game when he overthrew davante adams on that fourth down he overthrew garrett wilson there was just a lot of timing mishaps yeah if we had a four years younger aaron rogers it would be unreal yeah so uh he said not only is the healthiest he's felt for a while, but he also said when asked about like whose fault it is, he said there's 11 guys on the field. Sometimes it's my fault.
And then sometimes the details aren't there in some other spots, too. Sounds like he thinks other people's faults.
Yeah, I saw that quote. A lot of it is his fault.
Yeah. Well, it means I got a bad stat for you.
Unfortunately, this game brought Aaron Rodgers out of the top five in EPA per play this year. Damn.
All the way down to 23rd. This game? Well, I assume he was top five before that.
Yeah, he was top five in everything. Everything.
At one point, he was top five. This is a terrible second-half collapse for the Jets.
Yeah. After their offense started the season off looking so good.
Yeah. Yeah, you guys just keep bringing up bad stats.
I actually – all right, memes. I got something to maybe cheer you up.
I found a bad stat, and then it ended up being – it was basically like call the mean, where, you know, the guy could pull the gun because Aaron Rodgers has not thrown for 300 yards in 34 games. And then I went to look it up.
And obviously the last time he did it was against the Bears. Yeah.
Week 13, 2021. So call the ambulance, but for me.
Yeah. I've been aware of that stat.
that yeah so uh memes what uh also air writers had the ball with a chance to win the game with a field goal or touchdown five times this year over five uh memes though since we're on the talk of memes walk us through geno smith after the game uh posted the meme of like you know dressed, dressed up for my haters funeral. That meme.
Yep. You were upset.
Yeah, it's fucked up. Talk shit when it's even score.
Oh. That's a Michael Jordan meme.
Yeah, that is. Yeah, talk shit when it's even score.
You won. Go back to Seattle.
Go fuck yourself. That's it.
Okay. I stopped.
You're his biggest hater. Yeah.
And today was your funeral. We're not his biggest hater.
And he stopped. Charities are his biggest hater.
Oh, God. What? Why do charities hate you? The reason why it didn't work out on the Jets is because he didn't show up to a charity event.
And he got punched in the face. Yeah.
And then Ryan Fitzpatrick had the second greatest season in Jets history. So theyyan fitzpatrick a new contract they they believed in him and ryan fitzpatrick got fat and sucked whoa he did yeah okay he held that out for more money which set a ripple effect to where we are now so geno smith not showing up to a charity event set the jets back 10 years to this moment okay and we're sure that he did not show up to the charity event said the Jets back 10 years to this moment.
Okay. And we're sure that he did not show up to the charity event.
That's exactly what happened. He bought him a plane ticket and he just didn't show up.
Yeah, memes replied, hey Gino, respectfully go fuck yourself. He's a bad guy.
Seems like you're not happy. Would you like him to be the next Jets quarterback? No.
Good question, Max. So given the opportunity you would say no too smith no i don't think you're in a place to be able to do that yeah yeah i mean we're gonna have to say yes to geno kirk cousins you would say yes to him i think you'd probably say yes to sam darnold he said yes to yeah yeah derrick car i think he's a free agent or he's he's going to be out of new Orleans probably next year.
Yeah. Derek Carr would be a wild ride.
Oh, my God. A wild ride.
What a wild ride. We got Derek Carr, boys.
Yeah, Derek Carr, I'd do Derek Carr. You would? Yeah.
Oh, wow. You would do Geno Smith.
No, you should say yes to Geno Smith. No, bad guy.
You should say yes to Geno Smith. You love memes.
You literally love memes. He's a bad guy.
You're jealous, I think. Of what? He memed you.
Yeah, exactly. He used your weapons against you.
That's a good point. That's why I brought it up, because I was like, oh, memes got memed.
He's got to be pissed about this. Yeah, but do it before the game.
Everybody talks after. You can't do that before the game? Yeah, be a man.
Be a man, guys. But it doesn't make sense before the game.
Yeah, that doesn't make sense before the game. If they're your biggest hater, talk your shit before the game.
But that's not the funeral. Yeah, he killed them.
So we're all black going into the game. The Jets were all black today.
That's true. How'd you like those uniforms? I love those uniforms.
Aaron Rodgers looked very, very depressed in that uniform. He wore that turtleneck.
Yeah, he looked like a French painter from the 1700s. Yeah, he should just retire.
So he wants to play next year, I think, but according to the Jets, he's not going to be back. I've got just something I'm going to toss out there because to me it makes sense.
Aaron Rodgers on the Rams next year. What happened to Matt Stafford? Jets.
Matt Stafford might. He might retire.
Okay. I don't hate it.
I feel like he would want to play for McVay, and I feel like McVay would look at him and be like, I've done it before. People are saying Aaron Rodgers titans Aaron Rodgers Titans.
He has a house in Nashville. And that does feel like he would be, that kind of fits his vibe.
Yeah. I feel like he'd do some, yeah, he feels like Nashville.
Well, think about it. So he got close to Woody Johnson because of the vaccine, right? To try to bring down the Jets from the inside.
He might make his next mission to destroy the entire state of California. Ooh, that's true.
Yeah, that's true. As for the Seahawks, they are in the lead for the NFC West, and I'm starting to believe.
Yeah, again, I can't figure the Seahawks out at all. Their goal line offense is so frustrating.
It's not even week to week. It's quarter to quarter.
Yeah. Yeah, no, this was a the beginning of this game was just a comedy of errors for the Seahawks.
And I don't know what... I think they probably got to get LaVisca Chanel not returning kicks anymore because that...
The second fumble where he almost fumbled and then fell down and then just threw the ball. Yeah, they are hard to figure out.
And they had like goal line offensive set where it felt like they ran 100 plays and they ended up on the 20-yard line. Yeah, so what's the Seahawks' schedule here? I think they still have a lot of NFC West, right? I think they have to play the Rams and Cardinals again at least.
So that should be – they should duke it out, figure this whole thing out on the field. I got about two and three.
Two and three? Two and three in their next five. Oh, no.
So that's probably not going to the playoffs, right? I don't know. Two and three in their next five is going to be tough.
Their two wins are against the Cardinals and the Rams. Oh.
No, they're going to beat the Bears. I don't know why you would say that as a loss.
Oh, they do have a tough schedule, though. They needed this game today.
That was a huge win for them. Yeah.
Packers, Vikings, both at home, and Cardinals, Rams, and Bears. They should probably beat the Bears.
Although that might be of the Bears' last win. Or next win.
Next and last win. Yeah.
Both. Combo win.
All right, so, Memes, are we looking at Tankathon? Yeah, the first-round pick. I mean, first overall win.
Yeah. Both.
Combo win. All right, so memes, are we looking at Tankathon?

Yeah, the first-round pick.

I mean, first overall pick.

You think you can get the first overall pick?

We are the anti-chiefs and manage to lose every single game.

Doesn't matter how.

We just figure out a way.

Yeah.

You have three wins.

Yeah, you're not getting the first pick, buddy.

Why not?

Because the Giants, Raiders, and the Jaguars, one of those teams is not winning another game. Maybe the Giants.
You're not getting the first pick. Are you taking a quarterback? There are no quarterbacks.
What do you mean? Shador? No. Cam Ward? No.
Carson Beck? Gartner. Oh, I found his Georgia.
Oh, no. You don't want that memes.
If you look at Carson Beck. This is great.
Tall, big arm, kind of stupid. There's one of those in the AFC East right now.
Oh, stop it. Stop it.
Don't do that. Who are you talking about? Josh Allen?

He's saying Carson Peck is Josh Allen.

Josh Allen?

That's insane.

Not the athleticism of Josh Allen, but those.

Wait, say stupid?

Josh Allen's not stupid, by the way.

There used to be a meme that it was just like if Josh Allen wasn't stupid

and it would just be like highlights of Tom Brady.

Josh Allen's not stupid, though.

He's actually.

You guys said he'd go full Josh Allen.

Yeah, he goes crazy.

He goes crazy.

That's totally different.

That's not stupid?

No.

No, no, no, no.

Crazy rocks.

Crazy...

Josh Allen.

Yeah.

Yeah, when he goes full Josh Allen,

he's like, I'm Josh Allen.

I can do anything.

Yeah.

It's not really stupid.

It's just like too much confidence.

You ever date a stupid chick? No. You ever date a crazy chick? Yes.
Crazy it's not really stupid it's just like too much confidence you ever date a

stupid chick you ever date a crazy chick yes crazy chicks it's called the jets it's a crazy chick every fall oh memes yeah cars and back i could also get behind jaylen milro okay but no What?

No, no.

He's so fast.

What?

Yes, he's fast.

He is fast.

No.

Memes is right.

No.

Memes is right.

There are moments where... behind Jalen Milrow.
Okay. No! What? No! He's so fast.
Wait, what?

Yes, he's fast. He is fast.
Memes is right.

No. Memes is right.
There are moments where

if we had a mobile quarterback this year...

Mobile?

No, Memes. Memes.

One that's hanging from the season? Memes, I will not let

you draft Jalen Milrow. You cannot do that to yourself.

No, not first round. I know, but still.

Blutman wants a Nussmeyer.

Oh, yeah. He's sussy for Nussie.
Yep. Okay.
Nussmeyer, he's got a hose. All right.
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PFT, I have a question for you.

Okay.

Yes.

What happened in those three weeks that Bryce Young got benched?

He became him.

It's crazy.

And I know they lost this game, but it wasn't his fault

because he had a touchdown drive with 30 seconds left.

He had basically a field goal drive in overtime to win the game if it wasn't for a Hubbard fumble, which was an incredible strip sack, by the way, by Anthony Nelson. But Bryce Young is a different dude.
Dude, he looks good. Bryce Young looks very, very good.
He looks comfortable. I think it was like getting benched and then all the trade talk and things like that.
He realized, oh, fuck, I'm going to have to move. And then he got a chance to play again.
He was like, I don't want to pack up all my shit. I'm playing now, not just for my career.
I'm playing so that I don't have to move again. Yeah.
I mean, the Panthers, they lost this game. Again, it was not.
I'm going to count this as a win for the Panthers. Yeah.
It's not going to count in the official standings, but this is as good as a win for the Panthers.

But they've officially, I mean, my power rankings last week

had them graduated officially from ass,

which they've been in ass for, I don't know,

like 30 consecutive weeks.

They are a spoiler frisky team that, oh, man,

are they building something for next year where, hey,

we have Bryce Young.

He's not so bad. We could maybe use our first-round draft pick and get him a really good receiver or an offensive lineman or someone on defense.
The Panthers, it's crazy how different the outlook looks for the Panthers if Bryce Young is a decent quarterback. Yeah.
Maybe they had him playing scout team safety as the backup quarterback yeah he got to see the offense from a different perspective it unlocks something and now he's good all of a sudden this game probably turned out as good as it could for the panthers because you don't win the game you don't screw up your draft pick bryce young plays well he leads you on a game tying drive yep uh and he doesn't fuck up in overtime he led you on a game-winning drive overtime yeah and then somebody else was it chuba hubbard that yeah yeah yeah so he didn't screw up the game in overtime that was running back who you already trust and believe in and it's not like you're gonna look at hubbard and be like oh fuck this guy from now on no you you still like that guy so it all actually comes out to just as good as a win pretty much for the panthers yeah and and the bucks umucs, they needed this game because you have the Falcons losing, and now the Bucs are tied for the NFC South. They lose the tiebreaker, obviously, to the Falcons because they lost twice to them, but the Bucs are very much in the thick of it.
Could not lose this game. Baker was not great today, but they were like, hey, we're just going to run Bucky Ir run bucky down your throat and it worked and shout out todd bowles because i think he is one of the more conservative meek coaches when it comes to in-game decisions and risk-taking i like that he tried to get that extra five yards with six seconds left and they they ran that like getting the ball back with 30 seconds they ran those 30 seconds perfectly to get into field goal range to get it into overtime.
Because if they had lost this game, I know their season wouldn't be over, but it would have felt over because it was like you just had everything fall in your lap. The Falcons lose.
They're absolutely skidding. You can now take the NFC South.
You could even maybe sneak into the playoffs another way, although the commanders do have 87% chance. I believe it's 85.
85. The Bucs are, like, back.
They had a, like, I think the Bucs are a very good team that had a really, really tough stretch of schedule that fucked them up. Well, it coincided with their worst injuries.

Yeah, their worst injuries at the same time

is the worst part of the schedule.

But now they have the only game that is against a team over 500 left

is the Chargers.

So they have five games left.

Let's even say they go 4-1.

That's a 10-7 record that should potentially win them the South and if not could potentially get them into the playoffs they could yeah they could the the bucks you don't want to play them in the playoffs and honestly i feel happy for for panthers fans because you get to enjoy watching football again on sundays yeah without feeling like a complete degenerate of like just making an appointment for your own torture and then just scheduling out the rest of your day you're going to feel like shit because you saw a miserable product but for as for the bucks i feel like you might be very frustrated at the end of the season looking back being like we were a much better team than our record says that there were and they probably were i think no matter what happens i feel like the bucks by the way that the injuries happened to them and even through the injuries they kept playing well yeah but if it weren't for those then you can definitely point back and say we should have won this division if they don't yeah the falcons overtime loss was the one that they'll look back and be like how did that happen because that game could end up deciding everything but i i'm a believer in the bucks i'm a believer in baker mayfield i think this team is is poised to go on a run to get into the playoffs and uh they this was the game though like if they had lost this game it would have been disastrous for them it wouldn't have been disastrous and like they still would have been very much alive it was felt disastrous because that's a game that you got to win and they have the Raiders coming up and you got to win that one too and then you're going to be looking around being like hey we're we're okay like we might actually win this nfc south because i believe the falcons have a tougher schedule because the falcons play the vikings next it's pretty much a coin flip between the falcons and the bucks to win that division right now and then i'd say a pretty pretty high likelihood that second place in the nfc south is going to get in over an nfc west. Wait.
No, PFD. If the Falcons get in, you're out.
There is no NFC. You're the team.
How? How do you figure? You're the 17th. They have an 85% chance.
I forgot about the Vikings and the Packers. Yeah.
You can't have a second NFC West or a second NFC South team go on a run. So right now the Bucs are at 50%, 49%.
Listen, I'm looking at the spreadsheet right now. It says 85%.
Is the New York Times lying to me? Is the needle lying? The playoffs are as set as set could be in the NFC. If you're a Commanders fan, it's just the Vikings, Packers, and Lions are all in.
And the Eagles. And then you just have to have it be a one-bid league between the NFC West and the NFC South.
That's it. Okay.
If that happens, you're in. If it doesn't, you're fucked.
I'll be fully transparent. I went to NFL.com.
I went to ESPN, and I went to the New York Times Athletic. They all have calculators.
I chose to stay on the one that had myself at the highest percentage, at 85. Got it.
Yeah. No, you're going to actually have a very big Week 17 game against the Falcons.
Against the Falcons, yeah.

That could be a shifter of everything.

If it were up to me and I got to decide the Falcons or the Bucs get it,

I would want the Bucs.

I want to watch more Bucs football than I want to watch Falcons.

Yeah, you just said both.

Yeah, why not both?

Why not both?

Why not both?

Do you want to just invite both?

No, I don't want to.

No.

I think they're both very nice. What about the Seahawks and the Rams? Do you want to just invite both? No, I don't want to.
No. I think they're both very nice.

What about the Seahawks and the Rams?

You want to invite both them?

No, I hate them.

It's like our previous conversation is like 85%,

and then you realize those three teams, yeah, it's the Bucs, the Cardinals,

the Rams all sitting there being like, hey, we want in.

Well, here's where I don't get it.

The only way they get in is if you get out.

85% for the commanders, and then the Bucs, 49%. But that's because of the division.
Then, yeah, I know. Then the Cardinals and the Rams, both 35%, 27%.
Right. Because of the division.
Because of the division. Their path to win right now to get in is the division.
Singular focus, get into the playoffs. Again, next week you just need the Bucs, the Cardinals, and Rams to somehow all lose.
I don't know who the Cardinals and Rams play. They play each other.
That would be good. Well, that would be good and bad.
Tie. A tie would probably fuck some shit up.
Would probably break your brain even more. I was rooting hard for a tie in the Bucs-Panthers game.
It it would have been a fun tie i like to have one tie per year at least just to have that little dash one at the end to fuck everything up with the schedules yeah it looks nice and then you can just revert back to like the 16 game schedule mindset where you're like oh they're gonna finish eight and eight and one my brain still kind of fucks up every now with the 16 17 game i know that's stupid to say. Cardinals play the Seahawks and the Rams play the Bills.
So you can get double losses there. Let's go double loss.
The Bucs play the Raiders, though, so that's probably not going to be a loss. That's okay.
But the Falcons play the Vikings, so that could be a loss. That's good.
Yeah. The disaster for next week is if somehow the Falcons, Bucs, uh cardinals and rams all won you know what you should do is you should parlay all four of them it's it's gonna work just as like a uh like anti uh don't lose the bi-week parlay yeah don't lose the bi-week parlay just bet all four of those teams to win so if you somehow if somehow do, you at least won a huge bet.

Listen, we control our own destiny.

You do probably control your own destiny, yes.

Yeah, if we won out.

That's all you can ask for this time of year.

Yeah, you control your own destiny.

Don't lose a game you're not supposed to lose.

I don't plan on it.

That's really what it comes down to, because aren't your game besides the Eagles pretty easy? Saints. Win.
Falcons. Win.
Thank you, Hank. That's a toss-up.
Cowboys. Win.
Whoa. Yeah, you can't say that.
You can't say it anymore. Revenge.
Just don't lose a game you're supposed to win. I won't.
Actually, you know what you should do is the Saints are a must-win. You have to win that game.
If you beat the Saints, I think you'll be good. The Saints are a must-win.
The Saints are a must-win. Yeah, because if you lose the Saints game, you're in deep doo-doo.
Yeah, then we've got to beat the Eagles. Yeah, right.
Yep. Yeah, Saints are a must-win.
Must-win next week or two weeks from now. But, yeah, the Bucs, I agree with you.
I'd like the Bucs to be in the playoffs. They're fun.
They'll cause some havoc. Also, the Bucs, if you go off the BCS model, the Bucs do have two very good wins because they beat the Lions and the Eagles.
Yeah. So they have two of the most impressive wins in the entire season.
Yeah. I mean, they're a very good team when they play.
I also like rooting for Bucky. He's fun to cheer on.
Yeah, Bucky Irving is fun. Okay.
Also, Stephen Shea being disavowed by the Bucs was great, although he had the ultimate Stephen Shea spin zone. He's like, if I'm no longer a Bucs fan, then that means I'm eligible for the Ring of Honor.
And he actually meant that. But also the person that would put him in the Ring of Honor is the person who disavowed him for being a Hucks fan.
Yes. Okay, Rams, 21 Saints, 14.
I feel like this was the end of Rizzy Ball. We had the first half where the Saints defense was flying around.
The Rams couldn't do anything. It was actually the first time that Sean McVay has been shut out in a first half in his career.
And then Matthew Safford woke up, and so did Kyron Williams, and he started throwing darts everywhere and rizzy ball is maybe dead i feel like as tasem hill goes so goes rizzy ball yeah so he got hurt he got carded off um hope he's okay but that's really rizzy was leaning heavily into just using tasem all the time yeah and yeah you're not going to be able to do that now and And I feel like the Saints are – the Saints, without Taysom Hill and Rizzi as the coach, to me are the exact same team as the Saints with Taysom Hill and Dennis Allen as the coach. Yes, I'd agree with that.
Just kind of not fun and boring. Also, Florida State has one victory this year.
Jared Verse should win Defensive Rookie of the Year. He's a beast.
And he ended this game. No? Oh, oh.
Cooper DeGene?

Quinny Mitchell.

Quinny Mitchell.

Yeah, that's true.

And Cooper.

But they'll split votes.

They will probably split votes.

But the Rams are back alive.

Yeah, very much.

They needed this win badly.

And it looked in the first half like they weren't going to get it.

And I have no idea what's going to happen in that division.

It's just a log jam.

What about the Seahawks and Rams getting it? Yeah, you could get two teams in. You could squeak two teams in.
It's a possibility. Everyone would hate it if that happened.
Could be two teams from that division. This is boy math, and I'm failing at it right now.
Actually, I feel like the NFC West is going to weirdly be decided by how much fight the 49ers have left yeah because if the 49ers the 49ers already played the seahawks twice um if they if they kind of quit they have the rams and cardinals left that could help the rams and cardinals i'm just looking at like if you were in a bad situation like you were running from the cops and you and your buddies had one coach from the NFC West that had to help you get out of the jam, who would that be? And that would probably be Sean McVay. Yeah, although I feel like Jonathan Gannon would do something weird.
He's got some connects in the underground, yeah. I feel like Jonathan Gannon would come up with a plan that would work like one out of a hundred times, but when it works, it would be incredible.
Sean McVay would be kind of like a Better Call Saul, like a shady-ass lawyer that could get you off on a technicality. Jonathan Gannon would be like, hey, let's just hide under this inflatable pool.
Yeah. Or let's hide in this trash can.
And it would work one out of a hundred times. And then all the other 99 times, they'd have the dogs, and they would get you.
Kyle Shannon would be like, be like let's call my dad yeah he'll get us out of this Kyle Shanahan would just choke not actually yeah not a bad strategy just like get your dad on the case but this is um it's a fucked up division oh weird Jared versus actually the odd I was on favorite oh yeah what minus he's minus 110 oh. So it wasn't crazy for me to say that?

I mean, you said he's the rookie of the year.

I said he might win defensive rookie of the year.

No, you said he is the defensive rookie of the year.

Oh, okay.

All right, so you know what?

I'll say that.

He is the defensive rookie of the year.

All right, we'll see.

We will see.

That's why they play the games.

That's why they play the games.

That's why they play the games, buddy.

Cooper DeGene's going to get split votes. That's your problem.
People are going to want to vote for Cooper. Yeah, the Rams are another team where it'd be fun to see them in just because Matthew Stafford.
Anything is possible with Matthew Stafford. One last ride.
It's basically when he just turns it on. He's like, the first half was so bad for the Rams.

And then he's like, yeah, you know what?

I'm Matthew Stafford.

Let me do this play action and let me hit everyone.

Oh, yeah. I have Cooper Cup and I have Puka Nakua.

Demarcus Robinson was getting big passes down the field.

All right.

I think that's all the games, right?

I think that's it.

Yep.

All right.

So who's back of the week?

Who's back of the week?

It's fine.

There's not much to say.

Okay. Let's do it.
Eagles are really to say. Okay, let's do it.

Eagles are really good.

All right, let's do it.

Bills 35, Niners 10.

All right, Max, Eagles 24, Ravens 19.

I think the Eagles might be for real.

If they beat the Panthers.

Well, I mean, they only beat the Ravens by five.

Yeah. It was a close game.
Max was so mad at the end. He's like, I don't want them to score so people would think it was close.
Yeah, you wanted to be double digits. You wanted the casuals, the box score watchers, to be like, hey, yeah, we beat them 24-12.
People who read the newspaper for their scores. Instead, they see 24-19, they're like, ooh, tight one.
It wasn't a tight one. No, it wasn't.
The Eagles are awesome. Saquon Barkley is incredible.
Tell us everything, Max. I mean, there's not really much to say.
The Eagles are what they are. They start off slow, and then by the end of it, the defenses just get worn down by Saquon, and he just goes off in the third and fourth quarter.
Yeah. So it's just like their defense is elite.
The defense is incredible. I wish I could say that they held on the 12 points.
Yeah. Like 12 sounds so much better.
12 is better. And Justin Tucker, though, he's washed.
He sucks. You actually need to cut him, I think, if you're the rake so harbaugh said that he wasn't going to do he wasn't going to like kick him out now what justin tucker should have done is like four weeks ago faked an injury yeah you can't you can't get cut you're gonna make you're gonna make john harbaugh cut you he doesn't want to have to cut you this is an old yeller situation yes where he will shoot you in the head behind the shed if you let this drag out far enough.

And just don't make him do that.

He doesn't want to do that.

You don't want that to happen. But it's bad because everyone knows it's an issue.

And the Ravens are going to hopefully be playing in big time playoff games.

And it's an issue.

It went from a sure thing.

This is our secret weapon to a very big issue.

Just make up an injury for yourself. Yeah.
You get a bad groin it's it's bad it's an issue it's an issue yeah it's really so right now he's this year he's kicking at 73 which is 36th in the nfl so he's worse than every starting kicker in the nfl and then what five backups worse backups? Worse than those guys. That's really bad.
It's bad. That's really bad.
That's a really extra point today. It is going to be a problem for him in the playoffs.
Yeah, it's going to be a very big problem. Do we want to do narratives on MVP? Lamar lost it today.
Saquon and Josh Allen, two-man race. I don't want to say that.
I just like to just be a knee-jerk. I mean, I don't think he actually lost it because he could probably,

depending on if he has primetime games,

that's really what it comes down to.

You just have to be a one or two seed and have enough primetime games at the

end to have everyone be like, oh, shit, he's the best.

Yeah, even a great Thursday night game would help at this point.

As somebody that has a future on Lamar Jackson to win MVP,

I don't want to say it's a two-horse race just yet but i will say um it's not looking good no no it's not looking good no uh because not because lamar's playing bad it's that josh and uh saquon are playing incredible saquon had another 100 100 plus yards is he is he is he on 2k watch oh, right? Big time 2K watch. What is he at right now? Are you going to make a shirt for 2K? Sure.
Yeah, you might as well. I had a real great glimpse of Eagles fandom just a minute ago before we walked in here.
So our president, Pug, President Pug is an Eagles fan as well.

And Max and Pug were having a disagreement.

Pug was saying that he wasn't satisfied with the win

because the Eagles didn't score in the first and third quarter.

That's good.

That's a winning mentality.

He's like, I would have liked to see the first and third quarter

have more points.

Your first quarter sucked, Max.

Our first quarter sucked all year.

You got to figure that out. Yeah.
Oh, he's at 1,500 yards right now, and how many games do you have left? Have you guys had your bye? Yes. I think we have five games left.
Yeah, five games. So he's gonna get it.
He's averaged 100 yards a game. Yeah.
100 yards a game's not a problem for Saquon. That's not a problem.
You guys have an easy schedule?

Oh, you play the Steelers.

Steelers and Commanders are tough.

Oh, you're putting...

Commanders are tough.

I like that.

Appreciate it.

Respect.

Any division game is tough.

Tough-ish.

Giants with no Dexter Lawrence?

Yep.

Do you have them twice?

Do you have the Giants twice?

No, we go Panthers.

Oh, 100.

Steelers.

75.

Commanders.

I'm just... Yep.
Do you have them twice? Do you have the Giants twice? No, we go Panthers. Oh, 100.
Steelers. 75.
Commanders. 100.
Cowboys, Giants. 150.
Yeah. 150.
That's it. He did it.
He did it. Congrats to Saquon Barkley.
MVP. 2,000 yards.
MVP. That's incredible.
I have his MVP, 5-1. Oh, hell yeah.
Yep. Love that for you, Max.
Not 20-1 like the other guy that we have. Who? Who's that? The Heisman.
Oh. What's his name again? I can't remember.
I got confused. I have him 40-1.
Oh. I don't look at my bets that much.
When you said 21, I thought you were talking about Lamar, who I do have 20-1. 40-40.
But then I've got 20-1 also on Travis. I just looked it up.
Oh, Travis Hunter. That's right.
Travis Hunter. It's going to be very interesting.
We're going to find out about this guy. We've got to learn about him.
Who is Travis Hunter? Yeah. Seems like a nice guy.
Are the Ravens – they're in trouble now. Not trouble, but it's going to be hard to win the AFC North.
Yeah, they're in trouble for home field. Right.
And that AFC North, like, oh, man. Imagine if they matched up with the Steelers.
I don't think. I think they actually right now they would.
If the playoffs started today, it would be Steelers hosting Ravens. I think we as a country deserve that.
Yeah. We deserve to have Ravens-Steelers in the playoffs.
It would be Chargers and Texans, which is a winnable game for us. That's a Saturday game all day.
Oh, yeah. That's early Saturday game.
Steelers, Ravens, they would maybe do the Monday night game. Yeah.
Remember, we have that Monday night game, which is such a shitty disadvantage. You want to look at the playoff matchups right now and say when they would be played? Yeah, sure.
Okay. So we've got the Bills and the Broncos.
Bills and Broncos, I think, would be the Sunday early game, like the noon kickoff. That might be Saturday night.
No, I don't think so. I think the Packers-Eagles would be Saturday night.
That's Sunday, like 4 o'clock. Wait, that's a that's a no.
So commanders Eagles. Commanders Eagles.
That would be maybe Saturday night. They would want to put the Eagles on a night.
They like that shit. Packers Seahawks.
That would be Sunday afternoon. Falcons Vikings.
Maybe Monday night. Maybeings.
Maybe Monday night.

Maybe Saturday.

Maybe Monday night.

Yeah, they probably would sprinkle that in as like a Monday night game.

Yeah.

Steelers-Ravens would be Saturday night or Monday night.

That would be the night one.

I feel like Sunday 1 and 4 are like the NFL's best slots, though.

No, Sunday night.

Night.

Night.

Night.

So you'd definitely have to do Steelers-Ravens.

That's a Sunday night game.

Yeah.

For sure.

Steelers-Ravens Sunday night.

This is really stupid.

The problem is we've got two candidates for early Saturday games.

All right, I'm writing this out.

Yeah, we've got two candidates for early Saturday games.

One would be the Vikings at the Falcons.

Texans should grandfather into that slot. Yeah, Chargers- be the Vikings at the Falcons.

Texans should grandfather into that slot.

Yeah, Chargers to Texans is the first game.

Okay, that's game one.

Saturday night.

Hold on, I'm just filling in the spots that I know.

Okay.

This is so dumb.

No, this is good.

Broncos at Bills is the noon Sunday game.

The afternoon game is going to be Packers and Eagles or Seahawks Packers and Seahawks. And then the night Sunday night game is going to be Steelers Ravens.
All right. Yep.
Then we have Monday night and Sunday Saturday night to fill in. And I believe Saturday night would be shit.
Pills Broncos? No, I have that Sunday at noon. No, Saturday night would be – Saturday night would be Eagles, Commanders, then they would put the Falcons, Vikings, the whole Kirk Cousins thing on Monday Night Football.
Okay. I feel good about that.
That's a hell of a weekend of football. I feel good about that.
I'm excited for fall. You can't wait.
It's going to be so many changes to the seating and everything. No, but think about it.
That's like we just planned out a perfect weekend of football with those. Yes.
That makes complete sense. Now I'm kind of attached to that schedule.
And it's December. This is when we start thinking about this stuff.
This is when you start putting in your head like, hey, playoff football. there's really those three weeks where you have the whole nfl playoffs it's the best because it's basically the middle of the week is just irrelevant in my brain where it's like just get me to the playoff games and every playoff game you just sit there and soak it in oh love it love it and it's all the roads to New Orleans.
Max, have you thought about Max? Being in New Orleans? Being in New Orleans. Of course I've thought about it.
With the Eagles. Of course I've thought about it.
I'd be kind of mad at you because that means we'd have to stay longer because you would have to go to the game. I'd get so drunk that Saturday night.
We would need to hire you your own big dom like like a big dom impersonator no to follow you around and keep try to keep you sober no no he's got to go all out we got to let him just do whatever he wants you should hire your own big dom yep yeah no that's that's what would really need to happen yeah we maybe we should go to the Super Bowl with him. I don't know.
I don't know about that. I've never been to a Super Bowl.
It's pretty fun. It would be fun to go with Max.
I mean, Roan would have to go, too. Yeah, Roan will come.
Roan will be invited for sure. Run it back.
Yeah, run it back. I would not be able to cheer on the Eagles in the Super Bowl.
I did it last time because of the future. Oh, Bills, yeah.
Well, if the Bills went, we'd have to go because we'd probably get to go into the locker room. Yeah.
Dude, I would be sitting next to Ed and Alicia. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. We can mess all week.
We should talk Bills, Niners. Bills are awesome.
35-10, they won. Niners are broken.
Christian McCaffrey, the walls are back. PCL is what they said.
Bonus snow game, too. I feel like you only usually get one a year.
Yeah, that was an awesome. I mean, the Bills are just built for the snow.
It's like the running game. Josh just being able to throw.
By the way, congrats to Josh getting engaged. Then scores two touchdowns.
Has a throwing. He had a passing touchdown, a receiving touchdown, and a rushing touchdown, and his receiving touchdown was passed by himself.
Getting engaged, loving it in the snow. This is a guy that does not need dome.
No. There it is.
Christian McCaffrey's calf exploded. Yeah.
I think it was PCL. Yeah.
But it looked like his calf exploded. Theers are season from hell it's season from hell this is one of those games where the snow affected one team way way way worse than the other yes like the 49ers looked like they couldn't walk out there yes and the bills were just doing whatever they wanted did matt milano play in this game i actually doing work during i actually don't know but he's back he's gonna be back like the bills man they they made a comment i don't know if it's because they're just building uh like green bay has with a heated heated turf but they mentioned like they were talking to josh and how yeah matt milano was in the game he played yeah when they're in the new stadium the weather might not matter as much that's something that you say when you're building a new stadium yeah like what the stadium's right next to the yeah it's you can the pit is right next to it uh the whoever was calling we were talking to josh before the game and i was asking him you know uh the weather when you're in the new stadium won't be as much of a factor you're going to miss this place and he was just like no uh are they saying that they're going to leave the old stadium up so it's going to shield the new stadium from the wind? I don't know.
Or I think the Packers have a heated field that can melt snow. No, it also is.
It's not a roof, but it's like a partial roof, so it probably is not going to be as windy. I would imagine.
Like, if you look at like uh half the yeah half of the stands have a roof over it oh yeah from the lake that's on the lake side it definitely won't be as windy as the old stadium they should just keep building new stadiums just in between all their old stadiums until it's 100 insulated from the wind you ever seen that picture where they're uh i think it was four i think there was four all four of the milwaukee bucks where they played were all like up at one point what do you mean like the bucks played can you look this up the milwaukee bucks all for their stadium so they built their new stadium before they demolished the old one and then the the one they played in like 50 years ago was like an auditorium that was across the. So it was like all of their history was all within like one block.
That's pretty cool. It was pretty cool.
It was a cool picture. I don't know if you can find it.
You didn't really. What did you search? Just Buck Stadium? Buck Stadium history.
No, all four. Pug was so good at this.
Maybe. Pug was awesome.
This is an impossible fucking match. All right, let's see if I can find it.
Pug accomplished that seat. No less than five days ago.
Four stadiums in one picture. Milwaukee.
Maybe it was three. It might have been three.
I don't know. I saw it once and it was fucking cool.
Here? Oh, yeah. Yeah, there it is.
Three NBA arenas all in a row. Yeah.
That's pretty cool. And I think the fourth was like an auditorium across the street.
It's pretty cool. I like that.
It's like the Evolution poster. Yeah, isn't that cool? I'm happy that we stopped for that.
Good job, Max, for finding that. Yeah, good job, Max, for finding that.
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Let's do week 13. We're in December.
Super Bowl matchups around the room. Memes, would you like to start? Give it to us.
Super Bowl matchup? Super Bowl matchup. We're week 13 13 I don't know if our predictions What our preseason predictions were Remember when Max Picked the He made fun of me for picking Vikings over Or no you picked Vikings under No you made fun of me for picking Vikings under Yeah and I was I'm still waiting for my apology Did you take it? I'm still waiting my apology.
Did you take it? I'm still waiting for my apology.

Did you take it?

I'm still waiting for my apology.

I did not.

We're in California for Grit Week, dude.

Memes.

I'm going to go Ravens, Vikings.

Oh, that's gross.

Yes, you should have gone Jeff Z.

That is gross.

Purple.

That's a...

Why would you do that?

Ugly Super Bowl. Why would you...
That was a vibe killer. Darnold.
He's Darnold guy now. All right, Hank.
Vibe booster. Yes.
Lions-Bills. Yes, that's mine.
Yep. That's mine.
Bills-Lions. You got to just think about what, like, I am a neutral party in New Orleans.
What do I want to see? Yes. And it's Bills and Lions fans just taking over Burberry Street.
Sneaky backup to Bills, Lions in terms of fan bases, Lions-Steelers. Steelers fans in New Orleans would be all-time as well.
That would be something. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, Bills, Lions. Okay.
That's it. Maybe Chargers lines.

Oh.

Chargers real good.

Hank would be Arthur meme.

I'm going to go with best thing for Barstool, Eagles Steelers.

Oh.

Steelers.

Wow.

Then we would have to go to the game.

No, actually, no.

We would be streaming.

Yeah, we would stream back here.

That would actually be great because then we'd come back.

I mean, if it's Bill's lines, I think everybody's happy except for Max. You're not going to let Jerry go to the game? That's like a once-in-a-lifetime stream.
Eagle Steelers would be such a good stream. Eagle Steelers put Gruden right in between the two of them.
I think Jerry would quit. I don't think he has an option.
I think he'd quit. I think he'd be like, I'm going to go work for Mr.
Beast. No, he could go to the parade.
I don't know. The Super Bowl is also like...
Dave's gone to all the Super Bowls. Yeah, that's true.
Max, would you like going? Would you rather watch it on TV? No. Max, quick question.
Would you like to go to the Super Bowl? Yeah. That is crazy.
I don't know, for a loss? The loss sucks, but I need to be there for a win. Yeah, that's true.
Like Hank fucking brags about how many fucking after parties he's been to. For the after party? Greatest nights of my life.
All right, so. Or the Celtics parade.
Yeah, Jerry would. I think we'd have to like Hannibal Lecter put him in like a mask and like a gurney thing.
No, we would have to stream in New Orleans. Yeah, probably.
They would have to go to the game. You guys should just go to the game, and I just want to watch them.
I'd want to be 15 rows behind them. We're just saying things this show like they're fact.
We're scheduling the first weekend of the NFL. We're scheduling what we're going to do if the Eagles-Steelers play in the Super Bowl.
Yeah, dude. Let's just go.
Let's just watch it. It's called using your imagination, Max.
Let's just watch it. Let's just let things happen.
What's going to happen? It's on the podcast. We're definitely going to come back.
We're streaming here if it's Vikings-Ravens. Oh, my God.
What a memes. What a dick.
It's going to end up being Chiefs-Packers, and the Chiefs win again.

That would.

Well, the Chiefs-Packers would be awesome.

No, Packers would be good because of you.

The Chiefs winning, beating the Packers would be awesome.

I can't.

Vikings-Ravens is just so.

The Ravens.

I don't even know what you just did, memes.

The Purple Bowl.

What does that mean?

The Purple Bowl.

Can I make a bigger

bummer? Oh, yeah. Falcons-Texans.

Falcons-Texans would be

bummer city. I think the Vikings are

bummer. I actually think Seahawks-Texans

would be worse. Seahawks-Texans?

Yeah. Seahawks-Texans would be

just like a... What?

Chargers. No, Chargers would be

great for you and me, Max. Ride.
Ride or die, guys. Correct.
Ride that thing. He's getting upset just thinking about it.
No, that's not even a thought. I want the Chargers to prove you wrong.
Prove you wrong, mister. All right.
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Henry, who's back of the week? Who's back of the week is the Red Sox? Question mark. Yeah.
Oh. PFT alluded to it earlier.
And I don't know if it was just because I was home in Massachusetts for the weekend and I was hearing the local reports and propaganda. But I'm seeing some tweets.
I'm seeing some reports. I'm seeing Juan Soto's sisters looking at apartments in Boston.
I love those, yeah. The Mick, Kirk Minahan guy, reported that he's 100% signing with the Red Sox.
I saw a picture of Juan Soto at Hertz Rent-A-Car at Logan International Airport. Did you see that one? I didn't see that one, but I've heard it's going to be as early as the middle this week, and I'm thrilled.
His Red Sox are back. Yeah, he's heard a lot.
So he's been signing? His sister signing his sister's yeah i mean why would his sister be looking at uh places it's always the real it's a beautiful city it's always the real estate does this have anything to do with our good friend jerek robis trying to speak into existence what did he do oh he's just been tweeting about it i've just seen him i've seen that's i definitely been been brainwashed and i definitely obviously follow a lot of uh you know boston biased people and accounts so that's definitely part of it but i've i've just convinced myself we're getting soda there he is see oh yeah oh yeah holy shit juan soto that's his sister no that's him look at the hair it's long hair guys can have long hair. Guys can have long hair, too.
Some of us have long hair. Yeah.
So, congrats, Hank. Thank you.
That's huge. Yeah, I'm excited.
I didn't even think we were going to be in the running, to be honest with you. So, the fact that we got him.
You're in the conversation. Yeah.
Yeah. Big stuff.
Okay. PFT.
My Who's Back of the Week is rivalry trophies. Yeah.
Did you guys see the news coming out of UMass? Yes. So UMass and UConn, they play their rivals, bitter rivals.
Hank, you know just as well as anyone. There was a trophy that was made for the rivalry game.
I don't even think kids from UConn or UMass care about this, by the way, which is the funniest part. So after the game, they did not present the rivalry trophy to UConn.
Is that correct? No. So apparently the initial report was that UConn refused to accept it.
And then Jim Moore Jr. was like, that's not true.
We wanted it. They wouldn't give it to us.
So now it's – Jim Moore Jr. said he was looking for the trophy after the game, and they were told to get lost.
And then UMass just put out a statement saying, regarding yesterday's football game and fan interest and presenting a trophy to the winner, prior to the game, the two schools had not discussed awarding the trophy to the winning team or using the trophy in general as a symbol to a longstanding series. The trophy was provided to UMass for the first time earlier in the week, not leaving a lot of time to properly consider an official name, should have been the Cumass Trophy, secure a mutually beneficial sponsor, or execute a marketing plan.
In addition, series results still need to be added to the base of the trophy. Both schools agree that celebrating our 78-game rivalry requires appropriate planning.
So now they're asking for the trophy so that they can award it to Coach Mora and his team. We have no issue with this plan, and for now we'll consider the trophy property of the two collectives to be used at their discretion.
It's a jug, by the way. It's's the cum jug it's a cum jug yeah yeah why did they not give the trophy why why i don't understand how this got held they made a trophy jim moore jr wanted the trophy if you make a rivalry trophy you have to be prepared to give it away if you don't want to give it away then you just do the jim harbaugh thing and you don't tell the other team about it beforehand yeah and then you just get keep it if you win it.
What was that line in there about we weren't planning on this being a

representative of this rivalry?

Like, I just love that UConn's always in the middle of these.

Yeah.

It's obviously the civil conflict, my favorite trophy of all time.

Is that dead, by the way?

Yeah.

What?

The civil conflict?

Is that still?

Yeah.

Well, they don't.

I don't think they play.

No, like you trying to find it.

Oh, I found it. The guy won't get the UCF has it, I don't think they play.
No, like you trying to find it. Oh, I found it.
The guy won't get it. The UCF has it, I believe.
I basically kicked the hornet's nest that got it out from some guy's garage who then donated it back to UCF, which sucks because I should have been me. I should have had that trophy.
I would have had it in the front of the office encased, and it would have been like the Clemson Rock. Everyone touches it when they come to work.
It would have been incredible. But they fucking robbed it from me.
I got to say, this trophy looks like you got it from like a 1980s pottery barn. Yeah.
They could have put a little bit more time into the trophy. Yeah.
I mean, how many times have these teams played when both teams have a winning record?

UConn's had a good year this year.

That would be interesting to look up, though,

and see when both teams are above 500.

What?

Jack Mack's going to get on your ass.

No, UConn's football has been very good this year.

I said both teams have a winning record.

Yeah, he clearly said both teams are above 500.

You didn't know UConn was having a good year. The wood in this trophy looks like an elementary school desk.
Yeah. Yeah, UConn, 8-4.
They better get a bowl invite. That would suck if they don't.
I thought you automatically get one if you get six. Nope.
They have to. What do you mean? They have to get a bowl.
So sometimes there's more bowl-eligible teams than there are bowls, which is crazy.

And UConn being an independent means they don't have a bowl tie-in.

So it's like a lot of these, like remember when we had the Barstool Bowl and it was Mountain West versus Mac?

They're independent, so they don't have an automatic bowl tie-in.

UConn needs a bowl.

It'll be bullshit if they don't get one.

They went 8-4 this year. Put them in a bowl besides a 6-16.
Crazy. Crazy.
It would be very funny if they got a bowl and Nebraska didn't. Just for real.
By the way, I know we're going to do college on Wednesday, but my Who's Back of the Week is Ryan Day. Because that was the worst loss.
I actually think that might have been the worst loss of all time. In the history of losses? Football games only? It was a loss that had me for the rest of the day muttering to myself, I can't believe they lost that game.
The stakes of that game, there were 20-point favorites. Ohio State is loaded.
Michigan doesn't have an offense. They don't have a quarterback.
Michigan has had a dog shit season, and they still went in and bullied them in Columbus. They have two not quarterbacks.
It's crazy. It is wild.
Michigan's offense is so bad, it looked like they were trying their best to give that game away to Ohio State, and Ohio State state couldn't do shit with it and then the uh the penalty on ryan day at the end of the game yeah not good not a good way to end it not not a good way to beat the fraud allegations ryan ryan day yeah and then you almost called him ryan ryan gay you did you were very close then the pepper spray yeah it was chaos i mean i love rivalry week what are you gonna say hank you say the stakes of the game but ohio state is still gonna make the playoffs and still can win the pepper spray. Yeah, it was chaos.
I mean, I love rivalry week. What are you going to say, Hank? You say the stakes of the game, but Ohio State is still going to make the playoffs and still can win the national championship.
If Ohio State wins the national championship, though, like you saw it, Tate came into the cave today. He's like, if we win the national championship, Michigan will just say they've won two in a row because they beat us.
Like that, the way the rivalry has gone the last four years and the way that Michigan beat them the last three years and then won a national title and the whole Connor Stallion shit and everything, it's not just one game. It's like the culmination of it all to get to that point where Ohio State was so much better and to lose that game.
And now, I think there's actually a decent amount of Ohio State fans that would be be like if we win the national championship game this was still a failure of a season because we lost to michigan that's how much it means though to those people and for the fact that they have they have seniors that have never and and will never beat michigan yeah by the way i had no i had no problem with uh i if you're a defensive player i think you're allowed to go fight over the flag and be like, don't plant that flag because the defense of Ohio State played tough. The offense should not get to do that.
That was also Jason Avant Eagle. Do you know that? That's crazy that that was Jason Avant who was the one who took the flag back.
I also think it's pretty funny. Yeah, isn't that crazy? He's like a sideline reporter for Michigan.
I think it's funny that they're fighting over planting a flag into an artificial surface field. Yeah, you can't even plant it.
Which you can't plant a flag into. Yeah, but it was a bad scene for Ohio State.
They got humiliated. I don't know.
Maybe I'm being reactionary, Hank. It just feels like that was...
Ohio State had such a better team this year, and Michigan, they weren't even trying this year. They didn't even have a quarterback and to have that happen is crazy.
Max, what were you going to say? It's definitely a failure of a season no matter what. And that is as devastating of a loss as you can get.
How can you win a nat? That's crazy. Hank, as a college football fan, you know this.

You know this. Hank, what would happen?

What would happen if Ohio State

won the national championship?

How do you think Dave would react to that?

I know how he'd react, but it's like

every... Well, he's the embodiment

of Michigan fans. We still have the banner.
I would say in

30 years, if I'm an Ohio State

fan grad, when I go to bring my

kids and I show them and say national championship.

And they'll be like, Daddy, what happened that year?

We must have killed Michigan. Yeah, because what happens is

Thank you. And it's also like, this was michigan now has bryce underwood ohio state has to figure out what to do with ryan day like this was the year where you beat michigan and then you go win a national title and all is restored in the world for ohio state none of that happened the syracuse qb going off too was fun oh yeah kyle mccord was so awesome i think they would still love to win a national championship.
Oh, for sure. They'd be very happy with it, but they also know that every time they bring it up, they're inviting Michigan fans to be like, we beat you.
It would not feel as sweet. Pre-season, if you ask Ohio State fans to say you can win a national championship to lose to Michigan, they're saying no.
A lot of them would say. Tate literally said that before the season starts.
They had to beat Michigan. Beating Michigan is more important than winning a national championship.
That's why college football is the best. I mean, it makes no sense to me.
Do you think Dave is rooting for Ohio State to win the national championship now? Yes, he might be. So that he can say back to back.
No, I think he's rooting for them to get to the semis or the final and then lose. And then he can be like, man, he's going to root for Ohio State.
I just want the Buckeyes to be a pro. Because he kept on saying, this is bad for the rivalry.
The rivalry is over because you couldn't beat us at our worst. This isn't a rivalry anymore.
He was like, oh, no. We can't have a rivalry with them anymore.
Yeah, I'll say this. I respected what Ohio State did after the game was over in the same way I respect what the Jaguars did when they knocked out Trevor Lawrence.
Yeah, I have no problem with it. It's good to have a little fight.
Yeah, I like it. By the way, Max, you weren't here, but I threw out the take.
Ryan Day should be, when he goes to bed at night, he should just thank his lucky stars that James Franklin exists. Because James Franklin has basically propped up Ryan Day.
James Franklin's playing for a big-time championship this year. I understand, but you get what I'm saying.
Ryan Day has not beaten Michigan in four years, but Ryan Day always beats Penn State, and they're like, look it, Ohio State, we beat Penn State It's just, that's just how it goes. But it still doesn't matter.
They don't care about Penn State. I understand.
I'm saying more like Ryan Day can't win the big one. No, he beats Penn State.
Yeah. And then James Franklin's like, oh, James Franklin can't win the big one.
Oh, no, he beats Iowa by 40. Beats everyone but the big one.
Yeah. I know.
Penn State in the big town. Are you going to go down? I was thinking about it.
I want to. I don't know.
I don't know if you guys looked, but on the DraftKings app, every single conference championship game this weekend is, I think the biggest spread is four and a half. It's going to be awesome.
I think Penn State, Oregon's three and a half. This would be such a big one, though, Max, for you.
This would be the crown jewel of the big ones for James Franklin. Yeah, it would be the one seed, maybe.
I still think it wouldn't be the same, though, because it's not Ohio State or Michigan. No, but I feel like the Big Ten championship.
Hank, you don't understand college football rivalries. Championships.
I understand championships. I would want to win a fucking, like, I don't care who I play in the Eastern Conference Finals or the Finals.
A championship's a championship. Celtics had an easy path to the fucking championship.
Who cares? It's different. College is different.
I would want to win a Big Ten championship, but not if it's against Michigan. Like, what? No, not if it's against Florida.
It's a Big Ten championship. No, I mean, it would be...
I would like Penn State to win this one, but it still wouldn't. It wouldn't feel as good.
Yeah.

If they beat Ohio State. Penn State beat Wisconsin in the Big Ten Championship.

We're talking about beating them over there.

Hank, you don't know anything about the Blue Bloods.

You want to beat a Blue Blood Big Ten big one.

I guess.

I kind of understand what you're saying.

I just don't personally feel the same way.

Rivalry week rocks.

The hatred is so, so deep. It's the best.
Okay. Good show, boys.
Good to be back. Should we do numbers? Memes will take 71.
PFT 100. What? Ooh.
Is 100 in there? Is 100 in there? 17. It used used to be what do you mean it used to

be that the old machine 83 it is 11 I believe it is in here hundreds in right here okay all right 99 poke I don't know what I said I'm changing mine 30 16 21 We got to figure out.

Oh, no.

And the 30 just came down.

12.

12.

12.

12.

12. Memes has 71, right? Memes has 71.
Jack, which one do you got? 16. Jack's a Michigan guy.
Yeah, I want to ask him a question 90 jack jack explain to hank uh we were talking about ohio state michigan and we're i was saying that that is one of the most devastating losses if not the most devastating loss like of all time because of what ohio state had at stake their team versus michigan do you think that if Ohio State – like you know Ohio State fans, right? If they win a national title, it's not going to be as sweet because they lost to Michigan, right? Definitely. And do you know Ohio State fans – no, let me ask you this way.
Do you know Michigan fans that are like, if we beat Ohio State, it doesn't matter if we win the national title or not? Yeah. Like, the rivalry means more than the national title, which is weird.
Yes, definitely. Hank? I hear you.
It just doesn't make any sense. It makes some sense.
It just doesn't make totals. Like, I understand how much rivalries mean.
You can hang your hat on beating Michigan or beating Ohio State, but a national championship should trump that. I think for a lot of fans it does, but I think there's some fans that are like, that was the end of their season.
I also think Michigan fans would say that. Like, if I was an Ohio State fan, you're devastated, but I'm like, fuck it, we've got to win the national championship now.
I think Michigan fans and Ohio State fans, if they hadn't won a national championship recently, then it might be a little bit different. Yeah.
Where they're like, yeah, national championship is the goal, but since they've accomplished that in their lifetimes and in their recent lifetimes, then they're just like, we want to beat our rivals. Didn't they lose when they blew the game against Georgia? Who? Ohio State.
What do you mean? The missed field goal? Yeah. That was in the playoffs.
2019? Ohio State won national championships, though. What year was that? CJ Stroud.
Oh, so that was 2020 or 21?

22.

So they lost to Michigan. They lost to Michigan that year.

But if they'd won the national championship,

do you think they would have been like,

ah, well, we lost to Michigan, so this sucks.

Yeah, I think they're not as bad as this one.

This one is the culmination.

I understand the heavy underdogs and stuff, but I still think.

And also it's the Conner Stallions, Michigan winning last year.

Jack, where'd you watch the game? Was that a game that you'll remember forever? 100%, yes. That was unbelievable.
Yeah, you never thought they were going to win that game. I planned on turning it off at halftime.
Yeah, and then they just bullied them again. They bullied them again.
That was crazy. It also has to do with they it's now four years in a row right so it's like they have no argument right even even if they get because michigan just won the natty they don't even have that argument right right and it feels like ohio state is in a crisis and Michigan had a one-down year

and they're going to be back next year.

Like, you had the moment.

Here's the thing.

The best part about winning a championship

is that you can be like,

you guys can't tell me anything.

I'm the champion of the world.

And guess what?

Michigan can tell them something.

Yeah, you put it perfectly.

There's one fan base that can tell you that,

and it's the worst fan base for you.

And it's the one that you don't want to have anything to say.

Yep.

All right. we'll talk

more college football on Wednesday