Skip Bayless In Studio, TNF, Playoff Baseball And Sad Max + Week 6 Picks and Preview

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On today's Pardon My Take, we have Skip Bayless in studio. Crazy.
Never thought we'd see the day. Skip.
Skip Bayless on the show. Got to the bottom of a lot of stuff with him uh we also learned a new phrase that uh we'll be

taking with us that i'm not gonna i'm gonna tease it i'm not gonna say it i'm a different man after

hearing a different man after hearing it for sure we're gonna talk thursday night football we're to talk playoff baseball.

Our Max is back.

Max is back.

Max.

We got week six picks and preview. Loaded, loaded show for you sending into the weekend.
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The crown is yours. Today is Friday, October 11th, and the 49ers are back.
They have won the must-win game in Seattle. Let's start with the 49ers.
Brock Purdy's just good. Well, Brock Purdy has also never lost to the Seahawks.
I believe he's now 5-0 against Seattle. That's a great stat.
Seattle turned into like a little mini San Francisco tonight. A lot of red in the stands.
Yeah. A lot of 49ers jerseys.
And there were two 49ers wives that were sitting in front row. Yeah, Kyle Yushek and Kyle Yushek's wife and George Kittle's wife.
And they were able to – we had a double Kittle and a Yushek touchdown. Yeah, we had double Kittle.
And they both did the Lambeau leap into their wives' arms. It was awesome.
And then Yushek scored the fullback touchdown at the very end,

which was awesome to see.

And then he goes up.

He does another leap to his kind of a simp move,

jumping twice for your wife.

Love it.

Guy loves his wife.

Jumps into her arms.

And then he gave her a kiss through his face mask.

Love that too.

Which I've never seen before.

That's like getting in a fight with a helmet on.

Throwing a punch at someone with a face mask.

Yeah.

Same as kissing.

Do you think anyone ever done it with the helmet on?

Whoa.

It's a good yeah he He is has wheels he's moving around he's throwing guys open yeah he's good I just hope that Kyle doesn't start doing the thing where it's just all Brock Purdy all the time well they they had to because Jordan Mason obviously got hurt tonight he was having a hell of a game and yeah I mean the 49ers are good i wasn't worried about the 49ers i am worried about the seahawks i think their defense has problems and it's got injuries but it's also got problems and it feels like three weeks in a row we've just watched the same seahawks game where they're down and gino is trying desperately to get them back in it that pick he threw uh that basically ended the game, that was tough. And, yeah, the Seahawks are just in this spot.
If you just turn on the fourth quarter of a Seahawks game, they're down anywhere between 5 and 12 points, and Gino is desperately trying to get the ball down the field. Yeah, I think when we said that there was a statement loss that they had to the Lions on Monday Night Football, I think the statement was just like, I think we should quit on the season.
They've looked like a completely different team the last couple weeks. Yeah, and again, they do have a bunch of injuries.
I do love those uniforms, though. Whenever they put on these uniforms, I'm like, man, the Seahawks, this is so much fun.
That's a uniform they should keep. They should just wear that all the time.
Even changing the logo. love when teams change the logo i thought the best middle of the field the the throwback was awesome i love the uh the old school seahawks logo but the old school seahawks font is awesome too it's like 1980s you see that font and you're like i am in the 80s that's steve largen out there yeah so as uh much hand-wringing as there was about the 49ers start, they are on top of the NFC West.
And maybe getting Christian back. Maybe getting Christian back.
So what was the vague report? Let's go to the big matchup next week against the Chiefs, the 49ers. That's going to be fun.
What are the walls saying? I don't know what the walls are saying. The walls said that after week six, we'll probably know.
But on the broadcast, they said that they talked to Kyle and they were hoping three or four weeks maybe, but they're not sure. And that's what the walls talked to Kyle.
And with an injury like that with the calf, and he said they went out with a calf injury week 17 last week, you can figure out the calf and Achilles are close. You just never know with that that so it's a very vague updated report of like they're hoping for four to five weeks but anything could happen so wait i'm confused even retirement did the walls talk to shanahan or did the walls talk to a different source a different person it's the original walls the walls haven't haven't changed anything from the original reporting correct was this walls in tiananman square no no the protest no okay all right um the 49ers ran the ball fucking down their throat i know that it's a little inflated from that last run by garendo but uh 6.9 yards per carry 228 yards is that's that's that's bully ball yeah it is yeah and jordan mason was gonna i mean jordan mason was on pace he had nine carries for 73 yards the niners got a lot of weird injuries again tonight though they had jordan mason with a shoulder i think he shot it up at at halftime tried to play played one play i believe it was like nope i shouldn't be playing football with whatever it is i have and then what was kittleittle? A pee.
Oh, he had to pee. Yeah, yeah.
To just piss your pants. Yeah.
Come on, George. Yeah, Debo, yeah, with the stinger.
Debo with the stinger, shaking his hand out. And then.
He lost some offensive linemen. And they also lost another kicker.
And their kicker is their backup kicker. Oh, that was the kicker.
Yeah, that was the kicker, not the punter. Yeah.
Yeah, the kicker at the end. So now they got to go find another kicker again.
Get janikowski back out there yeah that's what i'm saying get the big polack he could fucking kick yeah he was he was the he was the original i can kick it from anywhere guy get uh get doug flutie doing some drop kicks out there what uh i'm trying to think who which team has a good kicker that's not playing well i guess those kind of don't go go together. But, like, what would the Cowboys lose? Does Cowboys start losing? Would they trade Aubrey for, like, a third rounder? Dicker? Dicker the kicker.
Get Dicker up there. Get Dicker the kicker.
That was enough football talk. We got more football talk coming up with NFL Week 6 picks and preview.
Let's talk some playoff baseball. You know what? Let's talk about the other series first.
The Yankees advance. So we have maybe we were the problem with New York City boys because Monday is shaping up to be an all-time day in New York City.
You got the Mets at 4 o'clock. You have the Yankees at 7 o'clock.
And then you have the Jets playing the Bills, both New York City teams, kind of, New York State and then New Jersey, playing at 8.15. It's the center of the world.
Yeah. Finally.
Finally, ESPN. Finally, Stephen A.
Smith can say who he's rooting for. Yeah.
It's going to be fun, I guess, if you're a New Yorker. For everybody else, we're going to be like, okay, enough New York.
Yeah. It hasn't happened in a while.
It hasn't happened in a while. The Liberty, they're not playing, right, on Monday? I don't know if they're playing on Monday.
Also, we talked about pinstripes. I think Giancarlo gets his pinstripes for this series alone.
He basically staved off the Royals and was like, nope, it's not going to end now because he was awesome the last awesome the last two games in kansas city and we also had the rare the rare oh liberty when is that game three when's sunday sunday uh we had the rare benches clearing conversation that was cool oh i didn't see that part yeah they had they had a benches clearing conversation i liked i i like they. They just talked.
Did anybody come out of the dugouts? Yes. Okay.
Did they sprint out of the dugouts? It was kind of like a... You mean to say bullpen? Yeah, I meant to say bullpen.
I don't think it was... I don't think the bullpen.
I think it was the dugouts. So it was benches-clearing conversation.
It was a bang-bang play at second base, and then they were like, hey, that's wrong. And then another guy came out and said, hold on.
Wait a second. You don't say that to my teammate.
You're wrong. And then they all just stood around and basically were just – Just talked it out.
Max will pull it off. It was very funny.
I like the benches clearing conversation. Just everyone had to get in on the conversation.
I've been watching a lot of old school, like, 80s. It was a different sport at second base.
Oh, yeah. It wasn't even a dangerous play or anything.
It was just kind of like, hey guys, let's all come out and have a conversation real quick. Yeah, I think that guy even said, my bad.
The other guy's like, it's okay. Yeah, the bullpen came out.
Oh, the bullpen. I love it when the bullpen catchers get up and sprint out onto the field.
But they just sprinted to have more of a conversation. Then they sprint onto the field.
Then they stand at the back of the big crowd. There wasn't even really a shove thrown.
Sometimes you'll get chest to chest looking like our friend Jimmy Tatro when they have the fights in Real Bros. We didn't even really get that.
Just a nice little conversation. Somebody said the F Yeah.
And now it's like, okay, we all have to come out here and say the F word. And then the other two series, we have game five for both, which I'm very excited for.
Padres, Hugh Darvish going back to LA. That's going to be a great game.
Do we know who's starting for the Dodgers yet? It was not up earlier when I checked. I'll check again.
It was not up. And then I know college football Saturday is a loaded, loaded slate, and it's going to be great.
I'm so excited for Scooble to pitch game five. Yeah, that's going to be great.
That's his moment. With the Padres game, I like the new wrinkle that's been added to it because we talked about Ken Rosenthal's column where he called Let's see, what did he say? He was a dancing strutting peacock When he was talking about Fernando Tatis And then he said that Jerks and Profar Is the kid that pulls the fire alarm And then acts like it's a joke Again, that kid's awesome And then the Padres were like Well, guess what, Ken Rosenthal We're not going to do weird bow tie interviews During the games Love that So we've got a big jay versus uh mlb team beef going on right now i love i'm also just excited to see the padres go back to la and piss everybody off yeah and it's uh we also have it happens every october people being like why are they why are they drinking champagne after winning one series i love the celebrations i always am in for the celebrations you need to drink after every single series yeah i'm i'm as 162 games general rule of thumb if you're allowed to get drunk at work you should get drunk at work yeah it's fun um so two game fives so excited to see scoobal uh pitch because that's just like everything i expect and know from scoobal he's gonna heble.
He's going to fucking be a hoss.

He's going to give me the ball for the whole game.

But that's going to be great.

Nothing better than a couple game fives.

We also had the Phillies and the Mets series end.

Max is back.

Max. Max, do you have something for us? Phillies lost the game.
They looked like shit. It's the exact same thing that went on from 2009 to 2011 of the Phillies, and then they had 10 years of nothingness.
So it looks like it's going to be a lot of the same. But that team won a World Series.
I said 2009 to 2011. I know, but that...
They won a World Series in 2008. I know, but I'm saying that team had won a World Series.
I said 2009. 2009, they went to the World Series.
The 2009 team did not win a World Series. I'm saying that team had won a World Series.
The guys on that team from 2009 to 2011 had won a World Series. Correct.
But 2009, they went to the World Series, lost. 2010, they went to the NLCS, lost.
2011, they went to the NLDS, lost. Right.
But you see what I'm saying. But what I am saying, yes, it is the same.
Like, they had, like, the 2009-2011 stretch, like, they had done something. They had earned something.
Yeah. In 2008, they had earned something.
Yeah, but that carries over. But that's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is that, like, it is just a downhill spiral. Got it.
But with no World Series. Correct.
Yeah, and what makes this even worse is the fact that at that first World Series, you thought to yourself, like, this team is built to win a World Series at some point.

And the other weird part about it is 2011 was supposed to be the best team of them all,

and then they had the best record.

This is the best record of this little stretch.

It's the same thing.

The guys are getting older.

And you didn't win a World Series.

Didn't win a World Series.

So many people just didn't show up.

It's the same thing of last year.

They can't carry over momentum from one game to the next.

You got screwed.

The bullpen is insane.

The bullpen was a top five bullpen in baseball this year.

All of a sudden, we get to the postseason.

They pretend like they don't know how to pitch.

JT Real Muto doesn't have a single hit in the entire postseason.

Trey Turner hits 200. Kyle Schwarber, after his first home run, he gets one bloop single.
Other than that, nothing. What did you say after he hit that home run? You know what? I don't give a fuck.
I don't take it back at all. I love that.
You shouldn't. If you're scared to be excited over a leadoff homer against the fucking Mets, I was the only person in that room.
I was outnumbered, and I tried to call my shot, and I missed. I don't give a fuck.
Max, yes, I'm 100% on your side. There's nothing worse than what's happened in this culture these days of the old takes exposed in the middle of a game because you're rooting for a team or rooting for a game and commenting in the middle of a game.
That's just what fans do. They root for their team.
You shouldn't have to apologize for it. Yeah, no.
Did it go poorly after that? Yeah. But that shouldn't be an apology.
Yeah. And it was like in the moment, it was like, holy shit.
Lead off batter. Bomb.
We have our ace on the mound. We're not the Brewers.
Mentally tough. And also Brewers fans being like, oh, we fought them.
You did the same fucking thing that we did. Because I kept like, we're not the Brewers.
And they're like, yeah, you're not the Brewers. We at least gave them a harder fight.
Like, what the fuck does that mean? You lost, we lost. Also, you know what you say to Brewers fans? We at least won a World Series in 2008.
Facts. Yeah.
And we would have beat the shit out of the Brewers. Yeah, you would have.
That's the worst part. And the Mets are too fucking good.
The Mets are really fucking good.

They are a team of destiny. And I've said it

and I'll say it again. The only

thing that I'm rooting for in this baseball season

is Mets, Yankees, and the Yankees

to beat the absolute fuck out of the

Mets.

Because that's the only way that Mets fans

will be upset at the end of this

run. Would you rather a sweep or

a loss in Game 7?

You want sweep.

I want sweep.

You want sweep.

I want them to be reminded that they're little brother.

Would Game 7 be Max and Payne?

No, because then they can build off of that.

Bet it.

Bet Yankees sweep Mets.

Those are probably crazy odds on Trap Kings.

Yankees fans should be upset that this is what I want to happen

because it won't happen.

You don't get the things you want to happen to happen.

Max, you had a tweet yesterday, last night after it was over. You said, I may have to quit this company.
I keep thinking I can't have worse losses on stream, and then they just keep happening. Yeah.
Like the Mets factor of it was like. They're just, and they just clutch hit but you're not you're not quitting and oh my god if that yeah oh yeah that's well ball oh my god fans if that foul ball happened I had every Mets fan you can see the strike zone in today's baseball watching experience they show you where the strike zone.
They still complain about pitches that are outside of that strike zone being called balls. I was fighting with them the entire week and I was like, it's outside of the zone.
You can see the zone. Mets fans suck.
You guys fucking suck. All right, so you just turned to memes when you said that.
You did block memes on Twitter last night. He was doing too many memes, and I was in a bad spot last night.
That's fair. That's fair.
I was in a bad spot, and I was looking at too many memes. I appreciate the fact that you blocked him not because he was tweeting at you, not because he was tagging you.
You just didn't want to see his memes on the timeline. I'm with you on all of this, Max, by the way.
I unblocked him in the morning. Last night, it's good we're talking about this now last night i was in a very bad yes not having to talk yes getting a little bit of time is good and you you in that moment it's the worst you you i i was like yes you should block him he's memising too much he was doing a lot of memes wait memes did you follow him back after he unblocked you? Because when you block someone, you don't follow them anymore.
I don't think so, but I'll go do it right now. That's nice.
See? This is a good peace treaty. Yeah, I like this a lot.
So, Max, you were not quitting the company, correct? I take back looking at you when I said you guys fucking suck. You were actually very respectful during this whole run.
Yeah. Quitting or not? Not quitting'm not quitting i never said that i was quitting i said i may i may have and then every philly fan in my replies are just like please quit please quit oh that's mean max we love you uh we missed you i i felt bad for you i really did uh do you want to address the butt crack not just the butt crack the torn underwear those are like it was like a $5 pair of underwear it was like an old pair of underwear I thought would bring good luck okay so can we put that clip into the no can we put that no can we pull that clip up I was actually so pissed off about that.
Yeah. What? No, we're not putting it in.
Why? Because YouTube. No, no.
We'll put it in the rumble. No.
Come on. Show us the clip.
Pull it up. No, no.
Why? There's zero chance I would pull it in. Memes, can you pull it up? Nope.
I didn't even know there was a picture of his ripped underwear. Yeah.
So what is it about this underwear that's not ripped? There's a massive kind of max come on the people want to see it everyone has old under old fucking underwear it's just no one else is fat that you get to fucking see it when you stand up but why is it why is it your lucky underwear i don't know there's just honestly what lucky has happened go pull it up go pull it up the people have to see it no max it's for the awl it's not for you it's bigger than you no i there's no chance i had that i was so pissed off that like our own accounts were fucking tweeting that last night like i went through so much fucking shit in that room what that's why you were there. For my fucking asshole? What? Max, I mean, you understand that.
That's where you're drawing the line. If you're on a live stream and you're getting mad and your underwear pops out and you've got a hole in it.
Do you think people are not going to clip that?

That's day one. There's so much other shit

that was going on in there.

I got fucking smoked in the head

by a fucking,

by another asshole

and more people were talking about

my fucking butt crack.

Yeah,

holy shit.

Let's fucking sound the alarm

that I have a fucking ass crack

that comes out.

Jesus Christ. Oh, tears in my eyes.
It was partially the ass, partially the rip in the underwear. It was the rip.
I don't give a fuck. Every single person has old underwear that they wear.
It was also the face that you had right before you hit the camera out of Duke's hand. The face.
I didn't think that we were going to be talking about the fucking ass crap. The face that you had, it was just like pure things you see.

It was like a road rage video.

I also love the idea of Big J's listening to this podcast to see what Skip Bayless is. And they're sitting through Max screaming about his ass crap.

All right.

I got to watch the video just so I can remind myself. Oh, my God.
I love you so much, Max. Max, I'm very upset, though, because I didn't see any of the overalls.
You had lucky overalls. You had brand new overalls.
Yeah, no. I thought about it a lot, and I just kept going back to remembering how I felt in the old overalls.
And I like i can't i can't have this again i can't have this like it it it was such bad vibes the first time why would i rewind the bad vibes better or worse vibes than you felt seeing everyone talking about your asshole can i just can we watch the video the video? I want to watch the video. That's great.
You can watch it right there. I'm watching it.
I'm watching it too. The face that he does is just the best face.
I want to get it framed. And you're sitting baby mode on the ground.
Get the fucking camera out of my face. Did you damage that camera?

It was Duke.

It was Duke's phone, and I apologized to him right after.

Like, when I get people who think that this shit's an act, it's just, it fucking.

It's not.

It's not an act.

It just happens.

It's not an act.

And it was a fair ball.

It was.

You were right.

True.

You were right on that. Like, it was a justified explosion.
I was. You were right.
True. You were right on that.

Like, it was a justified explosion.

I can't.

Oh, my God.

All right.

So, Max, where do we go from here?

You got a chain.

You got it.

New underwear would be a good first chain.

I mean, kind of the whole point of wearing overalls is that they go overall including your own we have we have we have to move on from this it was what did you did you did you break the chair no I just like slammed it did you know did you know in the moment that that your butt crack was out I will not be addressing max you know um what phase the moon was in last night i love that we were oh no he took that he took that set off i love that we're planning on like organically we're gonna talk about it we knew that max was gonna get upset at some point i thought it was gonna be just about the philly's feeble effort little did we know it was about his ass crack he didn't think he was going to get upset at some point. I thought it was going to be just about the Phillies' feeble effort.
Little did we know it was about his ass crack. He didn't think he was going to have to address the ass crack.
Listen, Max has the headphones off right now, so I will say. And the other accounts are posting it.
I think he's 100% correct. What? I think he's right.
About what? About the future of the Phillies. Yeah, no, no, he's right.
And they don't have a World Series. Yeah, this feels like it's, you know, we can try to turn the page on this chapter of the Phillies right now.
Come on, I'm going to play the video for... Fuck, crack? Yeah, the fucking bullshit of the camera.
Memes. I can watch that end of that video I'll say this Max the ass crack was not the highlight of the video the highlight of the video I know I'm just gonna say it to him though anyway the highlight of the video was your face fucking bullshit big baby memes how happy are you? Yeah, Memes, congrats.

I'm excited.

This is one of those runs.

What is he doing right now?

He is on Twitter.

I saw a picture of the Rizzler.

Okay.

Timeline cleanse.

He's taking a timeout.

All right, he's back.

He's back. This makes all the shitty years of watching worth it this type of run yeah it happened in 2015 it's kind of happening now uh just every time you take their out they just something special happens i know people don't want uh like it's hard from a national perspective to root for the mets or be like oh i'm happy for the Mets.
I am happy for the Mets. Mets fans are tortured.
Oh, no, he'd take it off again. Yeah, no.
Would you rather me talk about Mets fans being tortured or the ass crack, Max? What is he looking at now? Continue. Okay.
They are. They're a tortured fan base.
So it's fun to see them have this run. And it seems like there's just something about playoff baseball.
They have just every big hit, every big out. They got some magic going on.
Something's going on. There's definitely some magic going on.
Grimace. You got Grimace.
And also, shout out to all the fans that show up to baseball games wearing the full-on Grimace outfits. I know they're the knockoff Grimace outfits.
I don't think that they're actually McDonald's.

I think they're like Party City Grimaces.

That's got to be a very inconvenient way to watch a baseball game.

Yeah.

Those mascot eyes.

But they're doing it.

They've got Grimace.

They've got the song.

Memes, how does that song go?

Oh, my God.

We had the Gay Mets, too.

What's that?

We just didn't lose in June.

Oh, the Gay Mets.

Okay.

The Gay Mets, yeah. Got it.

We had Grimace, the Gay Mets, OMG Mets, Seymour Wiener. He was at opening day.
The Gay Met? Yeah. And Jorge Lopez happened this year when he threw his glove into the stand and said, I'm on the worst team in the league.
Yep. And they were 22 and 35 at that point and then turned the season around at that point.
And Hawk Tua. And Hawk Tua.
This is kind of crazy because, like, Steve Cohen, the owner, this team isn't really – does he have his fingerprints all over it or is it kind of like just magic in a bottle where the team got forced into this weird set of circumstances where this is your starting item now and they all kind of caught fire at the same time. I will say they all caught fire at the same time

because there's a lot of expiring contracts on this team.

It was kind of glued together.

Yeah.

And half of our salary is down in Texas with the Rangers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was the end of the sentence.

Okay.

Yeah.

We got to work on periods.

Yep.

Max, let's finish it before we get to Picks and Preview.

It's going to get better. We loveview.
It's going to get better.

We love you. It's going to get better.

It's going to get better.

Yeah, whatever.

Hank, tell them it's going to get better.

It's going to get better.

It's going to get better.

How mad are you at Hank right now, Max?

I was rooting for the Phillies.

I don't give a fuck who you're at.

True, fair. As you shouldn't't so is that very mad at Hank? no I just let's get to picks and previews yeah let's get to picks and previews alright and we got Skip Bayless after picks and previews all time pardon my take episode let's kick it to ourselves when your home system or appliance breaks down American Home Shield will help fix or replace the covered item, no matter its age.
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Okay, boys, week six of the NFL. We're ready to go.
I feel good. We have a good even slate of the early game.
Obviously, Bears-Jaguars, and then we have six, I believe, then four, then one. We also have a good slate of buys this weekend.
I like it when it's very evenly split between good teams and bad teams in the bye week. So this week, we've got the Chiefs on a bye, Rams on a bye, on a bye and the vikings on a bye the rams won the bye week yeah they're the bye week winners uh chiefs i mean well they're on we just keep forgetting that the never count out patrick five and oh and just rolling yeah if the royals somehow do some work during the bye week then i will say that the that patrick mahomes and the chiefs have won the bye week yeah um but yeah the r the Rams need this bye.
Get healthy. They did big time.
All right. So let's get into some games.
We need a bye from the Dolphins too. Yeah, absolutely.
That would be fine if they just didn't come back. Yeah.
How long would it take you to notice? It would be at least a week. I think I could go a week.
I think maybe when Tua comes back. There are certain teams that go on the bye, and I forget that they exist.
That happened with the Titans and the Chargers this week.

You have to remember the Titans.

The Titans.

You got to remember the Titans.

But yeah, if the Dolphins didn't play next week either, I don't think I would fully realize

it for another week.

Yeah.

And then I'd be like, oh, shit.

Because they're just...

It's not even like a...

You can't even make the fantasy argument because all those guys stink now without Tua.

Yeah.

So this is...

I think this is good bye week. Yeah.
Good bye week. Okay.
Let's get it going. Jaguars at Bears in London.
The Jaguars, hopefully everyone's okay from Hurricane Milton, have some, I think they were delayed by a little bit. So they usually go Thursday.
Bears win on Monday. I think the Jaguars are going to go later on Thursday.
This is a must win for the Bears. I would say so.
This is the meat of your schedule, right? This is the you got to make some hay time. Got to dive into that meat right now.
I do think the Bears defense will give Trevor Lawrence some issues. I also, I don't know if you guys agree with this, but there's something about like there's teams when the urgency, when they haven't won a football game, the urgency gets really high.
They win the game. Doug Peterson said it himself.
There's a weight off our shoulders. Now I'm in.
Yeah, I think. To go against you.
Doug Peterson is, he's like black and white when it comes to lying and telling the truth. Yeah.
I think doug peterson says before a game that week is a lie everything that he says after the game is usually the truth yes yes and so this week except for again the good conversations good conversations and both before and after games well maybe it was a good conversation the fact that they had a conversation yeah Yeah. No, that's true.
It's important to communicate with people. That's true.
So this week, I think he's lying about Tank Bigsby. Okay.
Because Tank Bigsby has outperformed ATN at running back, and they're asking him, well, are you going to give more carries? He's like, no, he just had a good game. Like, that's how this league works.
You don't just give a guy more carries because they had a good game. That actually is usually how football works.
Yeah. If your player plays well, then you give him more carries.
So I have a feeling that he's lying about that. I am a little nervous about Tank Bigsby and Etienne because there's one thing the Bears defense, it could get a little better on is run defense at times.
But I must win. Caleb's looked better and better.
Must win. Can't lose the Jaguars.
Can't lose it. Let the Jaguars win their game next week I have a staff for you PFT from BetLabs it's really good speaking of the like weight off your shoulders after a win and when you get deeper into the season and you're you're winless so teams in week six or later coming off their first straight up win of the season are 45 and 82 straight up so 35 in their next game okay this is obviously a two-point line so yeah they could cover and lose straight up but it there's something to be said behind uh the feeling of oh we won one we can have a sigh of relief we're okay also because a team that waits that long to get their first one usually isn't that great no definitely not definitely not so i and.
So I don't think the Jaguars are very good. And I would be a very sad boy if the Bears lose this game.
Because again, it's a must win. It is a must win.
You have to stack your wins now. Yeah.
So yeah, I remember the first game that I went to here in Chicago. You remember that? We went to the Bears-Jaguars game.
And it was rainy it was shitty we did you were in a you you were in a wheelchair we did a uh we did a preview of the game in a porta potty i think we were vaping in the porta potty yep a hot box to porta potty with uncle chaps that that might have been one of the worst nfl games ever to go to that's a pretty tough one i would put that one right up there with that jets broncos game that we saw earlier this year yes people will ask me like oh have you ever been to a game at soldier and i tell them that story i'm like yeah it makes me never want to go back if we had the worst seats i think yeah i think we intentionally made it the worst experience we did we tried we were doing that as like kind of a bit but like it was two not good teams and uh yeah you were in a wheelchair i was in a wheelchair at the time yeah that was that was because we had gone to the nlcs the night before and you walked and further broke your foot but my foot got more broken well and then they dug into it and they didn't discover a fracture once they did the surgery but it was pretty much it was pretty much broken it was basically a broken foot but yeah uh i think i agree with the big cat this is a must win week for the bears jaguars defense is bad too their offensive line didn't look bad last week though they look good last week in fact the jaguars yeah uh but they have some guys got some guys and also trayvon walker the most forgotten number one overall pick of all time he had a big week like last week too so um their defensive line can get at it but again i like i like the bears this weekend i'm with you on that one um there was a little bit of an update to the tom brady acquisition story from the bears okay the mccaskey family confirmed it they're like yeah we were in the beginning stages of conversation or we got it we wanted to be in the conversation for tom brady but you remember what the outcome of that of not getting tom brady was you guys got nick foals yes also jaguars legend. And Andy Dalton later, and yeah.
Yeah. It all worked out.
A lot of dominoes. It all worked out.
It all worked out. Okay.
Going into the regular slate, Cardinals, by the way, just as an aside, I hate having your team play in the London game. Because not only is it like, because usually the 8 30 game i will i'll watch on my phone half watch trying to spend some time with the family like i'm aware of what's going on but i'm not like fully fully glued in because i know that it's a long sunday if i'm like obviously this one i'm fully glued in and uh this is a complete like the risk of losing this game and then having to just sit there all day.
It's similar to playing the first game on Thursday of March Madness. If you lose that, it's so disastrous.
If you win it, it's free football for the rest of the day. It's a great day, yeah.
But I don't like having that. If you lose it, also people might just forget about that over the course of the day.
Yeah, but it just sticks in the back of your head, and god damn it how we lose that game so you got to win this game you know last sunday i think it was statistically the longest nfl day ever because yeah the london game and the the rain delay at the night game yeah so it was the longest day of nfl football we've ever had yeah yeah uh okay cardinals and packers cardinals off a win. Packers, they're good.

Jordan Love, Okay, Cardinals and Packers. Cardinals, awful win.
Packers, they're good.

Jordan Love, is he fully healthy?

Here's what I think will happen in this game.

I think the Packers are going to win.

I think they're going to win semi-easy.

And I think it's going to be because Jordan Love has gotten healthier

and is going to stop being in shotgun every single snap.

Okay, that makes sense. Because he's good at play action.
And I think that's the last step of the Packers' offense coming back. And they also, you saw it on Sunday, they were getting the tight end involved.
They're going to run the ball. The Cardinals' defense, they played great in the second half against the 49ers, but I just like a team that comes off a huge, huge win, has to travel.
I'm gonna go against that team yeah i think jordan loves getting better he got better over the course of the last game he's been doing that in every game yeah so he did the first time first game he came back it was three bad quarters one good quarter this time it was two bad quarters uh two good quarters so you'd assume just one bad quarter this time yeah so he uh they went down 14 to 7 after that hilarious interception yeah that like slapstick interception and then he completed 12 of his next 13 passes yeah right after that and dobbs i believe is back which that was a weird yeah so what's going on with dobbs dobbs from my understanding he skipped practice which that fucking rocks in the nfl to just skip practice yeah that's something straight out of high school where you're like i don't feel like it or my buddies are going to go smoke by the steps so i'm just not going to go to practice it's like a very high school thing to just be like um you know what fuck it yeah i'm not going i'm not going to work i don't know what's going on because it feels like there might be something mental health i don't know because they had to go check on him to make sure everything was okay um And then he got suspended for one game by the team. So maybe he's back and okay.
I don't know. And Christian Watson possibly.
I thought I saw a report. I saw Christian Watson saying something good about Dobbs.
No, I'm saying we're glad to have him back. Christian Watson might play.
Oh, yeah, he did. Christian Watson came to his defense, and Christian Watson returned to practice okay so the Packers could be getting a lot healthier better I think you're gonna get uh barring the weather a Packers offensive explosion because I feel like you're the same way as I am about this type of stuff but has there ever been a game that you've watched between two teams and then that that game stays in your memory for so long that it affects how you see all the other matchups you're talking about the shootout i'm talking about the shootout the shootout so i'm expecting a lot of points in this game yeah because of that playoff shootout was it kurt warner against rodgers yeah and that was one of the coolest games that i've ever watched it was just points points points yeah it's like 49 48 or something yeah i don't even know what the final score when i see these two uniforms on the field at field at the same time, my brain goes back to that game, and I expect there to be a lot of points.
Wait, not that one. Wait, was it 26-20? Why did my – oh, I think they played – It's the playoffs, right? There's a playoff game between the Packers and the Cardinals.
Oh, yeah, 51-45. There it is.
There it is, 51-45. Yeah, that was the shootout game.

That was the crazy game.

Yeah, so I see these colors on the field at the same time.

I agree.

And I'm like, okay, it's going to be a points factory.

Yeah.

I'm trying to think if there's any others that I can think of off the top of my head.

Oh, I guess Chiefs-Rams.

Yeah, from that Monday night?

Yeah.

That one's a good one.

That was a great one.

Chiefs-Rams.

I mean, Jags-Titans, but I'm always right about that one Bengals bills for a different reason yep I just expect someone to need CPR in my head it does it pray for tomorrow um that that's just a fact uh yeah that's a good point I didn't I didn't think about it but you're right you're right And it's not this weekend, but it's next that Call of Duty comes out, right? Yeah. And Kyler.
I mean, credit to Kyler for doing a Call of Duty commercial, for doing an advertisement. Gotta lean into it.
Gotta lean into it. Gotta lean into it.
Okay. Next up, Commanders at Ravens.
PFT. Yes.
This is a very big game. Yes.
This is a measuring stick game. I like that.
I like measuring stick. I've seen people saying passing of the torch game.
No, I think it's a measuring stick. It could be a passing of the torch game in retrospect, but I think going into it, it could be, we could look five years from now and be like, that was a passing of the torch game.
I think going into it, it has to be measuring stick. Yeah, so people are talking about passing the torch.
Is this the week that Lamar Jackson finally surpasses Jaden Daniels as the better scrambling and passing quarterback? I think it's too early to say that. I like the measuring stick game.
I'm still dealing with my PTSD, my post-traumatic Snyder disorder, where I still feel like going into every single week, this is the week that it all falls apart. I do think that the Ravens offense is...
It's the best in the league. Yeah, it's the best in the league.
Our defense, I don't think that what we saw for the last two weeks can be expected to be the defense that we're going to see moving forward, but I don't think we're going to be as bad as we were in week one. And I'll be okay with that.
This is a, this is a game. This is a potential statement loss for the commanders this weekend.
It's an interesting game because the commanders, as great as Jaden Daniels has been, and he's been great, a lot of their offense working has been the run game being so effective. And the Ravens run defense is very, very good.
So it's like this could be a game where Jaden Daniels has to do like a little more. I think he will.
I also think this is a good spot, though, PFT, because you have Ravens off of Sunday Night Football, big win against the Bills, overtime, 77 snaps for the offense last week for the Ravens, and then you get them in a noon game. I don't know.
I think it's a good spot. Now, if we win this this game i will say all the reckless things that i've been thinking about that i have i've somehow stopped myself from saying absolutely i will be the happiest boy that i've ever been in my entire life if we win this game and i think it's a possibility i think we could win this game yeah i i don't think it's likely, but I think if the Ravens play a lot of zone defense,

that's when Jaden has his games when he's like 90% completion rate.

Against Mann, he's a little bit less of that,

but we'll see what the Ravens defense does.

I had a dumb thought about this game.

And I texted our friend Chris Long because Chris played on the defensive line in the NFL for a long time.

He hasn't gotten back to me because I just had the thought,

and I texted him.

I was like, is this really dumb for me to say this or not?

Maybe you guys can tell me.

Our pass rush is not good.

Our defensive end's not great.

Our defensive tackle's very good for the commanders.

Is it maybe sneaky a good thing that our pass rush on the end sucks

against Lamar because you naturally keep contained because you're not good enough to get downfield and turn that corner. I think you'd probably want better guys though.
No, it might be better to have worse. I don't, yeah, I don't hate the thought.
I don't hate the thought. This is like, this is like 3d, 5d chess levels of rationalization that I have right now.
They're, they're so slow. They can't physically give up contain.
Exactly. That's exactly what I'm saying.
It's like if you have a really slow player on your hockey team, it's like, well, he's too slow to ever be off sides. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't hate that.
We should mention, because we have to mention, Lamar Jackson is 21-1 straight up against the NFC. Yeah.
Which is crazy. 11-11 against the spread.
So don't be afraid to take the spread, the commanders in the spread. I think I will.
But that should be mentioned. Also, fun fact.
A couple fun facts for you in this game. Sunday's game will tie the record for most Heisman Trophy winners on the field at the same time.
So we got Jaden. Yep.
Marcus Mariota, he might not be on the field, though. Yeah, well, he's...
On the sideline. He'd be on the sideline.
Lamar. Yep.
Derrick Henry. Yep.
There it is. Four.
Four. So the other time it happened was the Raiders and Bills in 1998 had Tim Brown, Desmond Howard, Charles Woodson, and Doug Flutie.
Wow. Yeah.
Kind of cool. And I'd really like to draft Travis Hunter next year.
Yeah. Oh, Travis Hunter.
He's playing this week, and he should be the Heisman. Another fun fact.
Dean Pease is back. He is back.
One of my favorite names in the NFL. Ever.
Dean Pease. P-E-E-S.
Dean Pease. So he's a special assistant to defensive coordinator Zach Orr for the Ravens.

Dean Pease is back.

Yep.

Dean Pease.

We don't know much about him.

It's in the name.

But he's back in an advisory role.

Yeah.

The guy is named Dean Pease.

His name literally translates to Dean Pease.

Dean Pease.

Yeah.

He looks like a football guy.

He looks like a football lifer.

He's from Ohio.

Dean Pease. Well, credit to the Ravens because their defense hasn't looked as good as they did with Mike McDonald.
I agreed. I do think Joe Burrow's playing.
Well, the Ravens' secondary has not been great. Yeah.
Their run defense has been great. I think Joe Burrow's been on that, like he's been on fire.
Yeah. Because they did look good against the Bills.
That's true. They did shut down the the bills.
That's true. They also got off to a nice early lead against them.
Yeah. Beacon, have you ever been addicted to watching hype videos? All the time.
This is the first I've ever been addicted to. Oh, my God.
I've been watching all the time. I've been watching all of them.
I think that's how I learned about 90% of my new music catalog. Yeah.
Is just via watching hype videos. Yeah.
Oh, my God. These hype videos, it's better than porn.
Yeah. Hype videos are the best.
I also had another question about this game this week here for you. The report came out yesterday that Jaden Daniels gets into the facility at 4 a.m.
every morning. Is that too early? I think every quarterback does this.
No, that's too early. No, it's not.
Every team, there is a story that comes up that's like, this guy is the first one in. He gets in so early.
I like this. You should be getting in that early if that is your job.
I like Max doing that. 4 a.m.? Yes, fine.
All right, fun fact off that. So I don't know what time every quarterback gets in.
It does feel like too early. 5 a.m.
feels more appropriate. Did you know that our coworker and trying to be college football expert, Brandon Walker, who lives almost in Wisconsin, do you know that he sometimes like this morning got here at 630 in the morning to beat the traffic? Yeah.
He just paces around. Yeah, no, I know he pays'd like he is now so obsessed with traffic that he wants to get in here in 55 minutes flat that he leaves at 5 30 in the morning i don't blame him crazy i would think about doing that too just to avoid traffic because there's always some asshole and he doesn't have to be here till there's always some asshole that's broken down on the highway 10 and and jam up.
True. True.
That's like that.

I mean, he's an older guy.

That is like a dad move.

He said he went to sleep at seven last night.

So I guess that makes sense.

But still, that's too early.

Update on the El Camino that broke down traffic because of massive traffic jam.

It was not out of gas.

Thank God.

It was almost out of gas.

Okay.

So I'm not that big of an asshole.

Okay.

By the way, this is the best start.ar jackson gonna get fixed yeah it's in the process of getting fixed and it'll be fine do you want to tell them how many how many miles per gallon yeah so i did find out how many miles per gallon it gets because as they were checking it out it did run out of gas as they were running it at the at the garage um it gets actually somewhere between four and five miles per gallon that's pretty good that's awesome that's pretty damn good in your face greta thernberg that's how many how many gallon tank is it 12 uh no i think it's like six 15 or 16 okay yeah so yeah you can drive for like an hour yeah a few days i will not be taking that on the highway. Okay.
By the way, this is by advanced metrics. Lamar Jackson, who has two MVPs, this is the best he has started a season, week one through five, which is pretty crazy.
Yeah, scary. It is scary because he's been insane.
Okay, Colts and Titans. Forgot about the Titans.
I love the Titans in this game. You do? Because Anthony Richardson is coming back? I don't know if...
I love the Titans if Joe Flacco plays. I love, love, love the Titans if Anthony Richardson plays.
I think the Titans are the snake-bitten team of the year, and snake-bitten mostly means Will Levis turnovers. But they've been in every game, right? They should have beaten the Bears.
They should have beaten the Jets. Who else did they play? They beat the Dolphins.
What was their other game? They played the Colts? No, they haven't played the Colts yet. Packers.
Okay, that was Malik Willis. That was the first week, Willis.
Yeah, I think Will Levis is going to have a good game. There it is.
That's my hot take. Will Levis is not going to turn the ball over.
I think their defense is really good. They're off a bye.
Maybe fix some things. And I also think the Colts defense is like, remember how last week I said colts defense were the get right for trevor lawrence i think they're just the get right for everyone it could be that could be so do you think that will levis watching mason rudolph go in there and run the offense somewhat competently that little little fire on his ass inspiration it might be a fire under the ass game for will levis yeah i just i don't know maybe this one is way off but i i really really like the titans this game i like teams any team off a buy i like i don't know it's just something about it it's like oh they're off a buy they got a little rest they feel good they worked on some things i i don't know what to think until i know who's starting this game for the colts yeah i can't i can't go yeah flacco yeah no that that that's fair flacco to me is an automatic over but i back But the Titans defense is good.
Yeah. That's the thing.
I think they'll be able to handle either. I would prefer it to be Anthony Richardson.
I'd like my bet more. But yeah, that's kind of where I'm at.
What's the line on this game right now? Two and a half on DraftKings. Is that right, Hank? Hank, you be our line expert.
Got it. Be our line expert.
What do you got? Three. Colts are plus three.
Oh, it's gone to three. Okay.
Minus 118s. Is that maybe Anthony Richardson being called the starter? Because I think he would – I think – which would be crazy, but I think he's the only one who would be named starter and that would go against him.
That would go against him, yeah. The line would not be in their favor.
Let me look up if Anthony Richardson is playing. Again, they're stuck in that spot where I don't think anyone in the world thinks that Anthony Richardson right now is better than Joe Flacco, but you have to play.
What I saw is that he's been practicing more. He's been doing more in practice this week.
Oh, here's a headline that I'll read.

Well, it's paywall.

Nobody's lying about Colts.

It's QB Anthony Richardson, but nobody's telling full truth.

Is that a lie?

I don't know.

I can't read the whole thing.

In a court of law.

Yeah.

The whole truth.

They make you say the whole truth.

The whole truth.

That sounds like it might be a lie.

And Jonathan Taylor, I don't know if he's playing or not.

But, yeah, I like the Titans in this game.

I do.

I don't know if he's playing or not uh but yeah i like the titans in this game i do i do it's probably stupid you know what this will be my this will be my i'm quitting the titans if they lose this game bet i'm not not taking the titans it is my last last line in the sand yeah i mean off a buy off a buy off a buy if they can't if they can't compete against the colts off a buy i think that's line in the sand. Yeah, I mean, off a bye.
Off a bye. Off a bye.

If they can't compete against the Colts off a bye,

I think that's fair to abandon them.

Yes.

Do you ever write teams off for the entire season?

Yeah.

I do sometimes.

They'll still come back somehow.

And then I feel bad because usually those teams that I write off,

they end up coming back and winning.

Yes.

Yes.

Okay, Hank, you ready?

Texans or Patriots.

It's May Day.

Hank, is there anything you'd like to address?

In terms of no.

Your excitement for Drake May.

I'm nervous for this game.

I'm not going to say I'm excited because I still have thought about it.

I slept on it.

You guys told me I should be excited.

I'm excited to see him in the throwback jerseys.ys i'm just nervous i'm not excited i'm nervous okay can i make you a little feel a little bit better sure nico collins is out nico collins is very important to the texans offense okay that the texans offense has felt at times like we're in trouble hit nico collins i actually think in a weird way this is going to to help the Texans going forward for the rest of the season because they're going to have to learn how to play without Nico. Tank Dell.
Yeah. But they're going to have to learn how to survive without Nico.
There was a mutiny, Hank, for Drake May. Was there? The mutiny worked.
The Patriots will have maximum effort in this game because you have to you have to have maximum effort after a mutiny if you say was his mutiny I saw one report with the word mutiny in it and that wasn't that legitimate do you know this show that's legitimate that's as that's as sources it gets Hank if you do a mutiny for a guy and then you get the guy to start everyone's got to be like hey we got to step up because we did a mutiny for it yeah it's your guy that you've installed i just pulled up i just looked up patriots mutiny there's there's multitude of articles multitude of articles if you look at patriots mutiny yeah jerry may response to mutots. We won't read that one.
Well, it sounds like it's about, it's all these articles are in response to that one article that said there was a mutiny. But they're all talking about immunity.
There's smoke, there's fire. Good point.
Good point, Max. But you want there to have been a mutiny, Hank, because now the mutiny worked, and now they're going to play hard for him.
You got some skin in the game, in other words. The reporter who said that he got a little carried away with locker room mutiny comments on Patriots Podcast earlier today.
A little carried away. A little.
Not all the way carried away. A touch of mutiny.
Yeah. They dabble in mutiny.
You should be rooting for the mutiny though because the mutiny like i would understand who wants their team to be have a mutiny listen to me listen to me you ever seen captain phillips yeah they took over that shit look at me i'm the i'm the captain now i'm the captain i'm the drink may i'm the captain now hank you don't want a mutiny unless mutiny works if it was still in state of mutiny you'd be like fuck this this is bad mutiny but it worked they got the mutiny works. If it was still in state of mutiny, you'd be like, fuck this.

This is bad mutiny.

But it worked.

They got the mutiny done.

The mutiny's over.

And what's the end goal of this mutiny?

Drake May starts and it's good.

It's fine.

The end goal was we need Drake May to play

because he gives us the best chance to win.

He gives me as a hypothetical wide receiver the best chance to get more stats. Dude, think about it.
We've talked about it before. Post-ski, post-shovel, post- game-winning drive tailgate beer, post-mutiny beers up there.
The boys are pumped after a mutiny that worked. A successful one.
Yeah. Not that's still going on a mutiny that worked i'm pretty sure it's devin mccourty that said it but when the news came out he said i wish we had let houston wait till sunday to figure this out that would have probably been smart but you also had a mutiny on your hands so you kind of had to deal with it now i would have been a lot more excited if it was like sunday 11 30 and it's like drink may starting Then I would have been fired up.
You get the pop, yeah. But it's better.
The alternative is that the mutiny doesn't work. It gets quelled.
It gets put down. That's way worse.
And then you're never drinking a beer again. Right.
And then the season's over at that point. Locker room loss.
I do think the offensive line will be better. Because Drake May, he can run.
And he can pass. Two things that Jacoby Brissett couldn't do, which are very important parts of playing quarterback.
I would say pros for Jacoby Brissett, he's better at getting hit. He's better at getting tackled and getting back up again.
Pros for Drake May, at playing quarterback. Who are you going to bet on in this game? The Patriots, plus seven.

You have a one-game chance to ride the mutiny.

You have to take it.

It's minus six and a half right now.

You don't...

I want to do a mutiny on him now

so he can see how fucking great it is.

I have.

It's minus six and a half.

Memes max. You guys got to do a mutiny on Hank hank just show him what it's like against hank yeah mutiny is that already yeah memes has a meme has like a 25 page manifesto right and okay so that is a perfect example in these terms memes is actively trying to mutiny you right he hasn't been successful what? A grumpy guy.
If he mutinied you, he would be happy. That's a bad example.
That's not a bad example. When you're actively in a mutiny, you can't be happy because you're like, fuck, I'm thinking about this.
I just can't see memes as a happy guy. Okay, but hypothetically.
Maybe he would if you disappear. I don't know if one man can do a mutiny.
I feel like one man is a lone wolf. Right? But if somehow he got Max on his side and Pug and Shane and me and Big Cat and we mutinied you, we got you out of there, do you think that the vibes would be higher? Yeah.
I think we need to mutiny Hank just to show him what it's like. I'm not saying your absence would cause a mutiny.
I'm saying that in this situation where we all hate you,

hypothetically,

then we get you out.

Hypothetical.

Then we'll be happy,

hypothetically.

This is hypothetical.

So hypothetically,

it sounds like that Drake May

is going to give a little spark

to the locker room.

Yeah.

I'm excited to see what happens.

I'm nervous.

Are we still calling it Mayday?

Sunday will be Mayday.

That's Mayday.

But again,

Mayday,

not a great term.

Mayday for the Texans. Mayday for the Texans.
Because I did look up the origins of Mayday because I was like, why do pilots say Mayday when they're about to crash? It's actually from, it's a French pilot term because they would say, uh, a day Ed sound. It's a French term for help.
So it's just saying, help me. Mayday.
Mayday. And then everyone's like, oh, they're saying Mayday.
So, fun fact.

Pardon my French.

Mayday.

Memes just texted our production chat saying we're starting a mutiny.

Yes.

And when this is successful, we're basically just going to do an experiment on you.

And then when they get the mutiny done, you're going to see the vibes.

They're crazy.

You got to ride the mutiny back.

I just got pug and chain computers.

There's no way they're mutinizing against me. Oh, shit.
Good luck memes. You bought them computers? Kind of.
You told Pete to buy him computers. Something like that.
You stole them computers? Little Cam Newton? Alright, be excited, Hank. And Eagle Collins is hurt.
He's really good. I also, we weren't here last year for it.
I don't know how I'm going to get to the office because of the marathon. Oh, yeah.
You are in trouble. I looked it up today.
Yeah, I'm not. You are.
It's impossible. Yeah, you're in trouble.
You might just sleep here on Saturday. You're going to have to just run the marathon.
I have a gas room, Hank. I do, too.
Super Bowl. You can stay over.
Super Bowl. Super Bowl.
Listen, it sounds like Max might be in this mutiny. He's like, stay over at my house.
It'll be fun. And then kill him? Yeah, then kill him.
And kill him. Memes is like, yeah.
Bucks, Saints. Spencer Rattler.
Rattler, baby. Spencer Rattler.

So I was thinking about Saints quarterbacks,

and I couldn't remember, with the exception of Ian Book,

the last time that the Saints had a rookie quarterback

that they had starting for him.

I looked it up, and it goes all the way back to 97 with Danny Werfel.

So the Saints are just one of those teams

that doesn't ever start rookie quarterbacks ever.

Mostly because they had Drew Brees for a long time,

and then now Derek Carr.

But that Ian Book game, that was because of COVID. I think they had both their backup quarterbacks.
It was a Monday night game, yeah. That was ugly.
But yeah, Spencer Rattler. I'm excited to watch Spencer Rattler.
I think the Saints are live in this game. I think the Saints are live in this game.
I think everyone's going to say Spencer R think everyone's gonna say spencer rattler stinks hammer the bucks i here's the thing with derrick carr nice guy recurring guest first two weeks looked awesome if you saw him monday night it felt like he was going back to derrick carr where it was dump off dump off dump off moonshot pass maybe maybe clint kubak has, maybe he can mold Spencer Rattler in his own image.

Is he going to be on the sidelines for Spencer Rattler?

I think he will be.

Or is he up in the booth?

I just think three and a half is a lot for a division game.

And you know Mike Evans will get kicked out.

Mike Evans loves fighting.

At some point, he's going to be out of this game.

But that was usually, it usually has something to do with CeeDee Deuce. I think Lattimore, too.
Lattimore, yeah. Mike Evans always gets into a fight against the Saints.
Yeah. So, do you guys like the Bucs here? I like the Saints.
Ebo, a kid we work with here, has been saying don't overthink Spencer Radler, Rookie of the Year, Offensive Rookie of the Year. Oh, wow.
That's a great way to put it. Don't overthink it.
Don't overthink that. All right, wait.
All right, yeah, I'm done thinking about it. Yeah.
If you don't think about it at all, it's a great bet. So I'm going to bet the Saints this week with that in mind.
Because if there's any way he does it, he has to start hot. Yep.
Yeah. Here's another thing to just throw in there.
Just a thought starter. Saints defense is still good, right?

The Bucs won a game against the Commanders, not a great defense.

Won a game against the Lions, not a great defense.

Won a game against the Eagles, not a great defense.

Scored seven points against the Broncos, very good defense.

Yeah.

Are the Saints closer to the Broncos or closer to the Commanders, Eagles, and Lions?

I would say they're probably closer to the Broncos in terms of defense. Just a thought starter.
It's a good thought starter. When you put this all together, it ultimately is going to come down to whether or not Spencer Rattler is good.
Yeah. Of course.
We don't know. Of course.
But it also is just one of those games that my dumb brain said, hey, this is going to be the easiest thing ever.

I'm going to take the Bucs.

And then I paused and said, hold on a second, idiot.

You've been doing this a long time.

You've been losing a long time.

Maybe it's not that easy.

Yeah.

I don't hate the Saints at all.

Because you want to be on the right side of calling Spencer Rattler being good.

Correct.

Correct.

Okay.

Browns and Eagles.

Max, what are the vibes? Do you want to do Phillies right now? We did it already. I've already done it.
Okay. So what are the vibes for the Eagles? Let's focus on just the Eagles.
Browns money line. What? Why would you say that, Max? The Browns are bad.
The Eagles are bad. Lane Johnson's back.
Devontae Smith's back. That's not true.
A.J. Brown's back.
What do you mean? They haven't confirmed that. What about A.J.
Brown and Devontae Smith? I heard they were bad. The vibe in that stadium is going to be horrendous.
Not if they win. The vibe in that stadium, they're going to get booed within one incompletion.
That stadium is going to erupt in booed. That's what Philly does.
Yeah, Max Witt is an ESPN segment where you're like, oh no, Philly's booing too early. No, it's just that no one expects anything out of this Eagles team.
The Browns are going to win. Also, the Philadelphia sports culture right now.

I think that the Eagles are going to catch some residual

anger from Philly fans.

Why would you

say that?

That's what I'm doing right now.

That's what I'm doing right now.

You guys are on edge right now.

But they also suck.

Do they suck?

Yeah. With Lane Johnson

who, by the way, as of four hours ago eagles lane johnson to play versus browns post concussion i've been on a plane okay uh you guys also have a pretty winnable couple games coming up so if you look at the eagles schedule right now they've got the brown right now, they've got the Browns this week, they've got the Giants next week, then they've got the Bengals, then they've got the Jaguars. So if they're healthy, if the Eagles are healthy, the Eagles are not out of it.
Here's another thing for you, Max. According to Sports Info Solutions, they have great stats.
The Browns run a majority of single high safety. Guess who dominates single high safety? Why don't you tell me? A.J.
Brown. A.J.
Brown's going to feast in this game. All the overs.
Come on, Max. I'll be taking the unders.
Cooper DeGene is going to play in place of Avante Maddox. That's got to get the Eagles fans going.
Come on. Sure.
Did you guys see Deshaun Watson said that when talking about his benching and his bad places, I don't hear it. Yeah.
I don't see it. I'm not on Twitter.
I'm not on any social media or things like that. So anytime that stuff comes up, the only time I hear it is either you guys are bringing it up or somebody else outside the building.
just don't know who it's coming from i'm gonna guess everyone deshaun i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that he's probably heard a few fans that have said it at games there's no way he has not heard a single thing because everyone is saying it if he hasn't heard a single thing then that would actually make me more concerned for Deshaun because that means that he's got this attitude all the time,

even though he doesn't know that people want to bench.

He would basically be Jimmy Carter.

He's just not waking up some days.

Yeah.

It's concerning that I don't believe him for the record.

I think that Deshaun Watson walks around knowing that he shouldn't be starting right now.

I actually did the math on some of this.

Tell me if this is the craziest thing.

Okay.

If you're a Browns fan.

Granted, this weekend you're playing in Philly, but you've got home games coming up. You're paying Deshaun, I believe, like 47 mil.
Okay. Right? Over the course of this season.
And I don't think it's going to be 47 mil every year, but I think it was 47 million this year. If you do the math on it and you do the capacity at the Browns stadium, I think it's 65,000 people go to those games.
If they just all agreed to not buy any beer at the games, if there was $0 in concession sales at the games, that comes out to about, I believe that's $40 million a year. But you can't ask Browns fans to do that.
Sneak your shit in. I'm not saying don saying don't drink at a brand they gotta watch to sean watson imagine going to a browns game sober yeah no one's gonna do that that's actually guantanamo but be creative sneak your beer in sneak your liquor in no concessions whatsoever no concessions go on a concession strike i like that because a lot of the season tickets have already been sold for a lot of the fans so you can can't go on a strike because then you paid for them.
You want to go watch the games. Just sneak your beer in.
Sneak liquor in. Bring plastic flasks.
Why don't we start with something easy? Let's go no popcorn. No popcorn.
No nachos. You got to let them get drunk.
Yeah. but I'm saying sneak your shit in.
Yeah. Cause they,

they can't watch Deshaun Watson sober.

You can,

that's torture.

You can do a plastic flask that you fill up from home,

duct tape it to your body.

Yeah.

Under your shirt.

I like the idea.

Cleveland can do it.

If any city can pull it off,

I'm pretty sure it's the Browns.

Yeah.

Come on,

Max,

you guys are gonna win this game.

When you win this game,

we'd be happy.

Nope. Oh, I refuse to get excited about any Philly sports teams for the rest of my life.
You gotta care, dude. That's not true.
You gotta care. I saw a tweet.
Are you thinking about abandoning the city or just not rooting for any team? Windows are closed. Rebuild.
Rebuild every team. You know, I was telling this to memes.
The next team that wins a championship in Philadelphia will be the Flyers. Because I don't give a fuck.
Last 24 months for being a Philly fan. Philly's blow.
This is actually. When did you start producing this show? That would be two months before the beginning of this tweet.
Okay. So you started two months before this.
Philly's blow World Series after 2-1 series lead. Eagles blow second half in Super Bowl.
Sixers blow Game 6, Game 7 to Celtics. Phillies blow Game 6, Game 7 in NLCS.
Eagles start 10-1, crash and burn. Sixers lose to Knicks in first round.
Phillies lose to Mets in NLDS. Also, don't forget the Union lost the MLS Cup in overtime.
They were winning, I think, in the 89th minute, and the Philadelphia Waterdogs finished second play. They stink.
Which one of those was the worst, Max? Do you want me to read them again just so you know? No. Phillies blow World Series after 2-1 series lead in 2023.
Eagles blow second half lead in super bowl sixers blow game six game seven to celtics phillies blow game six game seven in nlcs eagles start 10 and one uh crash and burn and sixers lose to nick's first round phillies lose to metz and lds i think it's this one there's no hope there's no hope at the windows closed for every team. Okay it's this one.
There's no hope. There's no hope.
The window's closed for every team.

Okay.

Close them up.

There's like,

at least the last one

we were like,

at least we got the Phillies.

There's nothing that I can say right now.

Sixers and Bede.

No.

Oh.

What about playoff B?

Dead.

You haven't even seen it.

Yabu.

You haven't seen this new Sixers.

You got Yabu.

Okay. Max, what if you win your next four games? I'm not.
Nope. I don't believe you.
I don't believe you either. If the Eagles dominate the next four games, you're going to be right back.
They haven't dominated a game in like five years. That's not true.
They started 10-1 last year, remember? But even those games, they didn't dominate any of them.

But no, that's not true.

I'm looking at it right now.

Phillies blow World Series after 2-1 series lead.

Stop doing this. Eagles blow second half.

The game six and game seven is back-to-back.

That hurts.

Oh, you're talking about Sixers blow game six, game seven.

Stop!

Celtics, Phillies blow game 6, game 7.

Oh, he's doing the earmuffs.

Hey, Memes, can you...

Because it was two of them,

so I was wondering which ones you were talking about.

Memes, can you ask Max if he thinks that there's any correlation

between starting working on part of my take

and Philadelphia sports going to shit?

Max, do you think there's any correlation

between you starting on PMT and... He's doing the baby.
He's doing the baby. Oh, man.
He's going baby mode on us. I can't hear you.
Okay, let's go to the afternoon games. You're going to win this game, though, Max.
Eagles money line. Yeah.
Chargers at Broncos. Rashawn Slater might be back.
Joe Alt also might be back. Well, I looked at their injury report on the Chargers.
It honestly looks like their depth chart. Yeah.
It's the longest injury report that I've seen in a long time. It's very Chargers.
It's extremely Chargers. Yeah.
We haven't seen Justin Herbert look anything like he's looked in years past. I don't know if it's Greg Roman.
They said they were going to try to throw more. I was always told that Justin Herbert, I distinctly remember, maybe I'm being Berenstain Bears or Mandela affected, but Justin Herbert at one point was a dynamic quarterback with a sick-ass arm, right? Yeah, I mean, the beginning of last year I feel like he was, and then he hurt and now they've changed the offense they're trying to run the ball and he got hurt again so it kind of just gets hurt every time yeah i think i like the chargers in this game i said it there's another one that felt too obvious where i was like oh broncos at home uh plus three are they going to wear the uh blue helmets if they do i'm taking the broncos at some point there should be there should be a director of common sense for the broncos that sees how awesome those helmets were and they're just like fuck it we're not doing any of the other uniforms for the rest of the year these were so good their uniforms again yeah true throwbacks uh start of last year yeah.
He had 305 yards and two touchdowns in a game against the Titans. He had 405 yards, three touchdowns in a game against the Vikings.
I think that's right around where he got hurt. But yeah, he was doing okay last year and then it just kind of fell off and he got hurt and the whole team.
Remember, I mean, Brandon Staley. Yeah.
Remember Brandon Staley? I remember Brandon Staley. Yeah.
We remember Brandon Staley. It was so frustrating.
Yeah. I mean, so it's somewhere in there.
Put up four touchdowns, 323 against the Lions in a shootout. It's somewhere.
I think they're going to try to throw it more. And also, if Sean Slater and Joe Allt come back, that's enormous.
Yeah. Especially against a very good Broncos defense.
Do you think that Harbaugh was watching that Chiefs game and he saw the Travis Kelsey lateral and he thought to himself, what if we did this lateral but we pitched it back to Joe Alt? That would be awesome. Rumbling, stumbling.
Let him carry the ball a little bit. Did you see Sean Payton addressed the Bo Nix exchange on the sidelines where Bo Nix yelled at Sean Payton.
He said it's all good. It's the heat of the moment.
It the moment it's the game it's competitive he's fiery this is basically just a cliche for all this we're in the business of passion we're looking for passion and we're looking for people who have passion for the game not other things i think that is so important to him again i love his response we're on the next play and it's nothing i like saying every class every cliche in with just a sandwich, and in the middle of the meet was, we're in the business of passion. I like business of passion.
Yeah. That's a good thing to say about your team.
Business of passion. Listen, I like watching Bo Nix play.
He might not be the best, but goddamn, he is fun. Yeah, very fun.
Steelers at Raiders. Aiden O'Connell is the quarterback.
This is perfect because that that means he I could see Antonio Pierce taking him out of the game in like the second quarter yep for Gardner based on play yep not because of injury or anything like that I could see Gardner coming off the bench and guess what that's how you get a spark yep you get spark Gardner possibly Russ possibly Russ I don't know I I can't begin to understand what Mike Tomlin is thinking because he doesn't. And he's got the right idea, which is why would I say anything to you guys? Yeah.
Like we handle everything behind closed doors. The Patriots should have done that with Drake May.
But I understand where he's coming from, but he's hard to read. Should Mike Tomlin cut George Pickens? No.
Did you watch some of the tape? Yes. Holy fuck.
He's not trying at all. And then after, or this week in the media availability, he was asked, uh, if like how he can get more touches, his snaps back.
And he said it, nah, it's not on me. It's all up to Arthur.
Yeah. I mean, this is George Pickens.
But it's not. It would be one thing if he was lighting it up.
Yeah. He's just a negative right now.
Yeah. This is George.
I love players like this because we missed the era of the diva wide receiver. But he's not even like you can't even say he's a wide receiver right now.
He's not even running routes. He's just kind of out there.
He's just a diva. So I...
Open fucking always. I'm just...
Yeah. I don't know what...
And Russ... Russ was...
He's fully practicing now. He did the media availability.
I wonder if he's the only practice guy ever who does eye black. But he had eye black on.
Yeah. For practice.
I mean, when it comes time for the road trips that Russell Wilson knew he wasn't going to play in, he was just telling his family, like, hey, sorry, I got a business trip that I got to go to. You'll see me on the sidelines when I go there.
Just trying to get out of the house for a little bit. Yeah, great uniform matchup.
I love when the Steelers and the Raiders play. Yeah, it is good.
So we always talk about Tomlin being, when he's an underdog, scrappy underdog, bet on. He's the last four seasons he's four and two against the spread when he's a road favorite oh so this is another good situation I do think even though Nick Herberg is out I think that the Steelers pass uh pass rush is going to be all over Aiden O'Connell because they can't block anyone for the Raiders uh I lean the Steelers, but man, George Pickens, he's in my head.
Yeah, that's what he does best. But he's not doing anything.
He's so fun, though. But he's not fun.
That's the thing. He is fun when he's playing and catching, but he's not fun.
Yeah. George Pickens is, if you just watch a highlight tape of George Pickens, you're like, this is the greatest wide receiver ever.

Then you watch him in a game, you're like, is this guy even trying?

Yeah, and if Russell Wilson gets in,

I predict that George Pickens will hate Russell Wilson even more

than he hates Justin Fields.

Although Russell might.

I think things will get worse.

He might just try to throw to him all the time just to try to get him.

That would be the smart thing.

Yeah.

Is get him involved early.

Get him involved early.

Best game in the afternoon, Lions and Cowboys.

I'm so pumped for this game.

Yeah, it should be high scoring.

I hope it's high scoring.

Yeah, I hope it's high scoring yeah i think it will be uh i have some some good quotes from you for uh from the lions this week uh we had so dan campbell frank rag now hurt his pack uh dan campbell said he was walking through the facility last week went out of nowhere someone punches me against wall. Then I get punched again and I realize that it's Frank trying to show me that his peck is great.
That's his way of telling me, look how strong I am. It's good.
Yeah, I like that. That's how they figure out injuries in Detroit.
I fucking love it. I also think this might be one of those examples of Dan Campbell knowing what people will think about him and then leaning into it and tossing some red meat out there.
Like when he talks about having the lion on the sidelines. I think Dan Campbell is secretly way smarter than we think that he is.
Oh yeah, definitely. And he loves having people think that he's a dumb meathead.
So this might be one of those things. He's like, I know what I'm going to say.
We're going to just do injuries by punching. And if you can hurt me, then you're good to back you're good to play football yeah we also had did you guys see jordan lewis's uh the cowboys cornerback uh quote it's one of my favorite quotes ever so uh amon ross said that last year when they played that jordan lewis was talking crazy like some shit i've never heard before they asked jordan lewis about this they're like hey this is whaton Ross said.
He said, I honestly don't remember. Sometimes I just black out.
Just go somewhere else with it. But if I said anything disrespectful, I'd probably say it again.
Love that. Stand by.
It's just like, yeah, I'm going to. Yeah, I probably said some fucked up shit.
And guess what? I'm going to do it again. Yeah.
Calling your buddies after a night out. Hey, I don't know what happened at the end of last night night but i meant every single word that it's so good yeah i fucking love that quote as for this game i do think with dallas's uh defensive line being decimated so i mentioned them before but sports info solutions uh has uh so the lions run the most 12 personnel of any team in the league.
The Cowboys ranks versus 12 personnel. 23rd against

run plays. Last.
the most 12 personnel of any team in the league. The Cowboys ranks verse 12 personnel,

23rd against run plays last against play action.

I think this is going to be every lion's offensive weapon just going fucking

off.

And honestly,

I think the Cowboys are going to be able to move the ball too,

because the lions run a lot of man coverage.

And I think Dak is going to like,

this is going to be a big,

I think it's going to be a points fiesta.

I like that. I hope I'm right because I need a points fiesta in the afternoon but I want a points fiesta yeah so Detroit is 6th in the league at rushing 151.3 yards per game and the only team with two backs in the top 20 in rushing and Dallas has the 24th ranked run defense and then you can drill it down further 12 personnel Warren Sharp taught us one running back, two tight ends.
Yeah. Sound like you know what you're talking about.
Yeah. And the Cowboys defensive line, they're bad against the rush, and they also are injured.
I don't know if Micah's back. He possibly is.
As Skip Bayless will say, missing Parsons report has been filed. He's not.
He's not. Micah Parsons ruled.
Oh, no, that's for Steelers. Jerry Jones leaves glimmer of hope regarding Micah Parsons' status for Lions Cowboys.
I love that Jerry Jones is the one. It's perfect, right? Like, this is a job for a head coach.
Instead, you've got the owner slash GM slash warlord of Arlington, Texas. It's perfect.
Just going out there and telling the coach what's happening. Yeah.
Remember last year in this game? That was a great game. Great game.
I think we were in Arizona. Yeah, we were driving back.
We were driving back. And the ending of this game was peak Dan Campbell.
Oh, yeah. If you thought that what Dan Campbell did in the NFC Championship game was reckless, this was way crazier at the end of that two-point conversion.
It's so much fun. It still keep going for it yep uh yeah so dan campbell's gonna let all hang out this week yeah this is nuts hanging out yeah this is a revenge game yep uh okay falcons at panthers is the last afternoon game i don't care i mean i care but i i i'm the panthers are back we had the fun andy dalton week and now it feels like we're just back to – they got more injuries on the offensive line.
I kind of want to take the Panthers, but I also – because I just feel like Kirk Cousins is playing above his head right now, but this game stinks. I think Cousins is going to get better as the season goes on too because he's going to get healthier.
He's going to be more comfortable with the new wide receivers i just this game stinks uh yes but i'm i'm kind of going to disagree with that why it doesn't stink in a way of you know how on youtube tv where it says like here's your moment is then during commercial breaks and just plays like butterflies landing watching andy dalton and kirk cousins going up against each other in the football game that's kind of like moment is then it's good to have it just there i don't really care about it but it's good that it's on yeah i just think the falcons are gonna probably kill them and it's just gonna be another one of those oh man the panthers like you had one week that raiders win was awesome yeah that was great i think it's just good i think it's good for the soul to have andy dalton and kirk cousins yeah all right sunday night football bangles. Must win for the Bengals.
We've been on a must win watch basically every single week. They had a players only meeting on the defense.
Mutiny? Nope. Players only meeting.
And Mike Hilton said, I know we've been playing like shit for real, honestly. Yeah.
He said this, by the way. Did you guys know there's a beat reporter for ESPN.com who covers the cincinnati bangles yeah whose name is ben baby yeah i love that ben baby i laugh every time every time i see it ben baby great name seems like an awesome guy but yeah uh i would say that that's true they have been let's quote again i know we've been playing like shit for real honestly that's a for real for real and an honestly.
It's a for real, honestly, like shit. Yeah.
So I like the Bengals in this game. Yeah.
Daniel Jones is 1-13 in primetime. Oof.
Not a great record for Danny. Oof.
So again, it's must win. It's a season of must win games.
It's a season of must win games. The Giants defensive line is very good.
Their secondary's a little suspect. I think Joe Burrow's going to keep...
Joe Burrow has to do

it all. Until their defense

shows up, he's got to do it all. And do we

have neighbors coming back? I believe so.

I like that. So it'll be fun to watch.
It's going to be

a fun game. I'm actually like weirdly

think... The Giants, if they had lost

to the Seahawks, we'd be going into this game being

like, ugh. Or even

if the Giants had lost and the Bengals had won, be like, forget it.

But the Giants are frisky.

Yeah.

They're a frisky team.

And their defensive line is good.

Yeah.

Like, no joke, they're good.

I think they, yeah, they lead the league in sacks.

Yeah.

22 sacks.

So this is going to be a fun game.

I'm excited for this game.

Any other thoughts from week six?

Max, you want to take back anything you said about the Eagles?

He's now, this is a great podcast. He's shaking his head.
What about this stat? People talking shit about the NFC East this year. The NFC East against the AFC North? This is just a stat to compliment yourself.
No, it's not. It is.
I'm done. I'm done here.
We're five and one. Done.
What do you think about think about this? Yes. You've got to care, dude.
He's saying you've got to care. Well, you know why he's saying that.
Because he doesn't care. Yeah.
Hank, there's been reports that Hank doesn't care. Those are erroneous.
Hank does care about some things. You envy Hank? Yes.
The fact that he can watch his teams just play like shit and be like, oh, well, at least I can golf tomorrow. I actually can't.
It's depressing. It's the falls hitting hard.
Oh, we just got a meeting email for the mutiny tomorrow. I don't think there's ever been a mutiny that we've done an email for but yeah friday october 11th 11 a.m mutiny me meme shane max pug pft i'll i'm i'm replying yes i will be there mutiny invitation i can't wait for this mutiny what are we gonna do though memes i don't know put I don't know.
Put them in a trash can? I spoke to the advisor guys. They also want in.
Oh, hell yes. Is anyone bringing snacks? Oh, Hank just nodded like, of course they want a mutiny.
No, I don't believe that. I like memes trying, but I...
Quiggy was like, Hank did something yesterday, so I'm in. Oh.
Mutiny. What'd you do?

I didn't do anything.

Yeah, what did you do?

He sounded pissed.

Sounds like you did something.

You didn't do anything?

Like, you didn't work?

No, I was working. You're working?

Hank cares, guys.

About things.

All right.

Do you feel bad at how bad Max feels?

I feel bad. Oh.
for max on those streams yes yes i got a text for my dad he also feels bad oh that's i appreciate that that's i appreciate that sir a second filiberto has felt bad yeah yeah i don't know that's it that's all we got uh all right should we do our picks uh let's do let's win a fucking touchdown parlay we were close last week i think we had two out of three and we i don't know that was on me okay uh so uh all protein bars generally taste the same but not one bars one made protein bars are actually delicious with Reese's and Hershey's. Only one Reese's Peanut Butter Lover's protein bar is made with Reese's Peanut Butter, and only one Hershey's Cookies and Cream protein bar is made with Hershey's Cookie Bits while delivering 18 grams of protein and 3 grams of sugar.
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I mean, I do like A.J.

Brown to score.

All right.

So A.J.

Brown's in there.

He's going to be my pick anyway.

I'll go A.J.

Brown, David Montgomery.

Hank.

I have to pick an Eagle?

No.

You can pick anyone.

I was going to pick Jamar Gibbs. Jameer Gibbs? Jameer Gibbs.
Okay. Jeez.
Hank, what's your coach's name? I'm not good at speaking. Whatever.
All right. Jameer Gibbs is in I'll do Jamar Chase.
Okay? Because that was a sign you just gave. By saying Jamar Gibbs, that means you meant Jamar Chase.
it's going to be AJ Brown Jameer Gibbs Jamar Chase I like it that's all three windows just got to get one a window we can do this boys we can do this uh all right so let's do picks uh what's the record and who's going first the records are big Big Cat, 6 and 4. Memes, 5 and 5.
PFT, 5 and 5. Hank, 4 and 6.
Max, 3, 6 and 1. Oh.
What are we going to do? Big Cat, what are we going to do this baseball show? Oh. I wish you just laughed out loud.
Oh. I'm sorry.
No. We're sorry.
I'm sorry. Sorry.
Man. Where's Munch? It's okay, Munch.
Munch. Come back.
Fell down. He's taking that foot off again.
Okay. Let's do some pics.
Hey, who's up first? I go first. Memes.

I'm taking the Lions.

Minus three.

Hank made a face like he's calling Cat.

Do you go first?

No, I trust him.

Okay.

It's week six.

There's five of us.

Are you like the Lions?

Got you there.

Do the math real quick.

Five of us.

Week six.

We started with memes.

Got it. I'm waiting for Hank to get it.
Got it. I thought we started with me.
That was where I was mistaken. Got it.
Me, right? Yeah. I'll be taking the Browns plus nine and a half.
Why not Moneyline? I'm going to take the Eagles minus nine and a half. I'm going to take the Browns-Eagles over 42 and a half.
I'm going to take the Saints plus three. and I'm going to take the Browns Eagles over 42 and a half.
I'm going to take the Saints plus three.

And I'm going to take the over in the Chargers Broncos over 35 and a half.

I will take the Bears minus one and a half.

I'm going to take the Bucks Saints over 41. Okay, Spencer Rattler.
Yep. I will take the Bears-Jags under 44.5.
I like that pick, Max. I like that pick, Max.
I will take the Bengals-Giants under 47.5. Why wouldn't you take the under in the Browns-Eagles game, Max? I thought about it.
That was my first initial thought, but now I was like, I don't know. Oh, no.
AJ Brown's going to probably eat. Nope.
Nope. No.
Then the defense. Because then the defense would have to step up.
But there's part of you that's like, oh, this is going to be a good game for the offense. Nope.
Ah. Nope.
I don't know. All right.
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My start on this week is Utah hockey. Utah hockey.
The hockey team in Utah. They soak over there.
They play hockey on the pond out in hockey. They broke a beer sales record at the Delta Center night one.
But wait, I thought they was the Latter Day Saints. I thought they drank the milk.
They're excited to drink. They're excited to soak.
They're doing puck and they're not fucking. Oh, not fucking.
They're soaking. Soaking? Hockey.
Hockey. Utah hockey.
Terrible name. What should their name be? They should have mascots.

Teams should have mascots.

They should be the Utah Oasis.

The Yeti.

Oasis is back. A bum with a snowman.

My sit-um.

Rafa.

Oh, Rafa.

He's retired.

He's sitting down forever.

Could never hold a torch to our boy Roger Fed.

Roger.

Roger. He's no Roger.
Roger Fed. He's's no Djokovic He's the king of clay But Roger's the king of everything Why you like Roger? What do you like about Roger? He's a good old boy From where? Roger I don't know where he's from You think he's from England? You thought think he's...
You thought he was from England. He's from Switzerland.
He's from Switzerland. He's from Switzerland, you fuck.
You thought he was from England. No, no.
You thought he was Andy Murray. No, he's the king of Wimbledon.
He's the king of our home country. You thought he was from England.
No, he's just the king of Wimbledon. You don't know your fucking country's history.
He's the king of grass. He wears all white just like those hockey virgins in a Utah.
My sleeper, Deontay Johnson, this week going up against Atlanta. He's first in red zone targets.
He's fifth in targets overall. What you doing there? You got some stats.
I'm giving the people a sleeper. Should we sing a bit of a tune? If you got him on your bench, put him in the game.
Should we sing a bit of a tune? If you got him on your bench Put him in the game Should we sing a bit of a tune? I'll be your dream I'll be your wish I'll be your fantasy We did this last week Let's do another one So after all You're my wonder wall I said maybe Said maybe Said maybe You're gonna be the one that saves me That saves me That saves me And after all You're my wonderful That's a good tune Thanks A couple of pints for the lads. Hey, I'm British.

Hey, British.

That's my name.

Oh.

I'm British.

I'm British person.

British person number two.

No, British first name, last name.

Person.

Person.

Person.

This week, I'm starting a cup of tea.

Oh.

Starting a cup of tea.

Aaron Rodgers had a cup of tea.

What's the tea?

He had a tea.

Ayahuasca.

Oh.

And then you drink it, and then you fire your boss. And then you puke.
You vomit. It cup of tea.
What's the tea? He had a tea. Ayahuasca.
Oh. And then you drink it and then you fire your boss.

And you puke. It's

mutant. You vomit.
It's mutant tea.

You vomit everywhere on the street, in the

alley. Indeed you do.
You hallucinate

just a wee bit. Not the

tea time that Henry Lockwood has.

No. Different type of tea time.
For

golfing weeks. That's not

true. We golfed this week with you.
That was the work.

Yeah, but we did. We saw you

golf this week. Video out

soon. Make sure you watch it.
You got a spot.

All right. Golfed in weeks? That's not true.
We golfed this week with you. That was the work.
Yeah, but we did.

We saw you golf this week.

And it was great. Video out soon.

Make sure you watch it.

You got a spot.

Really watch the part with Henry.

Perhaps the final nine holes you were into my Alaska yourself.

It's for anyone who doesn't like Henry.

Watch that video.

It won't be out for a couple weeks.

That doesn't matter.

It's worth the fucking wait.

Maxwell, I think you should talk in that accent.

You said so much more cheery.

Cheerio.

It's worth the fucking wait.

Maxwell, what do you think about Philadelphia sports, Maxwell?

In this voice.

I don't really know how to do this voice.

They're rubbish.

Right, right, right.

Listen, that video could come out in 2035, and it would be worth the wait. I'll pay seven quid for it right now.
Yeah. I'd mortgage my house for it.
I'd kill another queen for it. I'd sell my flat.
I'm sitting this week. This week, I'm sitting on my couch all weekend because college football.
Great day on Saturday. Saturday.
Proper day on Saturday. Proper, proper day.
And then also sitting on my couch on Sunday because it's a great day of football on Sunday it is. And then on Monday, is it Columbus Day? It is Columbus Day.
Columbus Day, where we found the new world and we started some colonies that ended up beating us in a war. And then my sleeper this weekend is Bob Costas.

Oh.

Bob Costas, because he makes me want to fall asleep.

He was talking Mark Twain.

He makes me want to fall asleep.

Every time I hear him, he does, he does.

He's a bum.

And there's a drive to set a field.

Wait, was that caught?

Did they catch that?

Oh, they caught.

Oh.

Oh, me.

Bob Costas is positively rubbish. He's rubber.
He hasn't

been good since he had the pink eye. The pink eye.
My cousin, my cousin gave him the pink eye when he was overseas here in England for the Olympics. He took a big steaming crap on his eyeball.
He did. He put his bum on his face.
He was eating his rusty trombone out like he was playing the tuba. Hey, oi.

Oi. My name is

Harry Potter.

Harry Potter. Hello, Harry.
You're a wizard, Harry.

I'm a wizard, Harry. You got struck

by lightning, Harry. Not really.

It was a witch's spell.

Right?

Wizard. A wizard's spell.

My sodomous

Ben Simmons. He said

it's disrespectful that fans think

he's robbing NBA teams. I agree with Ben Simmons.
I fucking love this guy. He just doesn't give a fuck about anything.
Takes the piss. Takes the piss out of it.
You think he's taking the piss right now? I think he's taking the piss. I think he's going to be a very good player this year.
This is the year we don't count out Vincent. Yeah.
My sit-um is Lieutenant Dan, the guy who's riding out the hurricane out in Florida. You got new legs.
Yeah. Turns out he might be a bit of a legend pedophile, so we should probably not make him a star.
Plot twist. Yes, Henry? Do you have the plot twist? Plot twist.
No, it's a plot twist that he's a pedophile. No, there's a pedophile plot twist.
Oh, there's a pedophile plot twist? Hey, make the sound memes. Pedophile plot twist.
New segment. Here we go.
There's a guy with the same name as Lieutenant Dan, who is a pedophile. Oh! Lieutenant Dan is a criminal.
Oh, he's not a pedophile? Fought a cop and tried to light a woman on fire. Oh, okay, so I'll take it back.
He's not a pedophile. But not convicted for pedophilia.
No pedophile there. He tried to...
He's just maybe been arrested a few times. He's done a little bit in the bin.
Tried to light a woman on fire, and then when the cops arrested him, he punched the cop. Oh.
But not a pedophile. Not a pedophile.
He punched the cop for unfairly trying to stop him from lighting a woman on fire. Got it.
Something like that.

So he's okay.

He's okay.

Could be a pedophile.

Yeah, possible pedophile.

My sleeper is the clocks because guess what?

We're turning them forward.

That's right.

I'm going to climb up to the top of Big Ben this weekend and just pull it right down.

Turn it around.

Pull it down for an hour.

Turn around.

Bright eyes.

Every now and then. For far when I see that look in your eyes.
Turn around, bright eyes. Every now and then.
I need you now tonight. I need you more than ever.
And I hold you tight. I fucking need you more than ever.
That's a song by a man named Meatloaf R.I.P. Good job, Fantasy Lab boys Do reminder to everyone that we do change the clocks this week So, we'll lose an hour of sleep Fall back Yeah, sucks for the kickoff of the Bears-Jaguars But you get an an extra hour at the bar.
That's true. I think they should.
Drinks should be free during that hour. Yes.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest in studio. It is Skip Bayless.
Never thought we'd see the day, but he's here in the flesh. Skip, we got a lot of questions, but let's start with something easy.
Warm us up. Okay.
Is Dak Prescott a Super Bowl winning quarterback? By the way, could I jump in before I answer that question? Yeah, go for it. Go for it.
This is surreal to me. To you.
Yeah. Surreal to us.
For similar reasons. So I was blessed to break through in this business for the first time, really, in about 2010 into 2011, which was the Tim Tebow run through that nfl season and on first take we started to crush and we took over the sports media world and then steven a joined me the following year we took it up a level and it dawned on me last night as i was thinking about joining you guys that that you guys were in the rightest plates at the rightest time and you became if i may stephen a and skip like you took over as as i was leaving stephen a to go to fox and fs1 you guys rose to the top of the sports media world right on time and so it's it's bizarre to me in a surreal way that that i'm on with you because i honor what you guys have achieved because i know what it feels like to be where you are now and and i congratulate you on that and it takes some luck it does take some right place right time yeah and you were right on schedule to do what you did in this world as i was in the linear tv world and i would say that your your career helped our career in the fact that you guys would have the dumbest debates sometimes.
Sometimes not. Sometimes

real. Sometimes, would you say sometimes dumb? No, I can't go dumb.
LeBron versus MJ in horse? Yeah. Okay, I got you there.
No, we did him play in one-on-one. Okay, one-on-one.
But no, I think we found a niche. MJ wouldJ would destroy him in one-on-one.
That's just me. Okay, if you want to do that, I'll do it.
But the niche that we found is that we just talk sports like two regular guys. Okay.
And it helped that we could kind of play off of the debate shows. Well, you took a title.
I'm proud to say I was responsible for half of your title yes yes you were yeah i actually didn't realize that until i think two weeks into the show i was like wait we're called pardon my take yeah yeah and then we got it we got a cease and desist from espn and we're like okay he was like what's this i was like well we did rip off the name but you ripped it off in in like a fun way like you're saying to your audience we're not're not going to take it as seriously as they do. We're going to do this.
Right, right. And that's going to be two guys talking about this.
Okay. Which one of us is Stephen A.
And which one is Skip? You know, I knew you were going to ask me that. And I didn't want to have to go there.
I think you're both Skip. Oh, okay.
Nice. How about that? You know, we used to have two frogs named Stephen A.
And and skip i did not know that oh that was that was a tragedy yeah that was a tragedy they got sucked up into the like uh filter yeah there was a wait they they died tragically they died tragically not not of old age we had a run of pets where they would just die we had goldfish we had frogs they would just die but we did name them it was a white one and a black one the white one was steven a and the black one was skip yeah yeah okay okay look i like to argue and i'm passionate about it it's it's like my life it's what i was born to do born to be and so i i wanted to actually debate authentically on television where i took it seriously yeah and And I'm not going to trick it up. It's going to be real.
I'm not going to say anything I don't believe. And Stephen A was the perfect foil for me.
I'm from Oklahoma City. He's from Queens.
I'm white. He's black.
And yet from the start, we loved each other. And he knew from the start, even though I'm trying to like rip his throat out in the debate that i always told him no punches pulled but none thrown we can't get to the point where we're going to throw punches or the audience is just going to turn it off because they don't want to see mad they just want to see heated right they want to see emotion they want to see passion but they they don't want to see strangle each other across the table.
And Stephen A. and I were great that way because he wanted to beat me, but he knew in the end I would protect him.
Yeah. And he knew I had his back and he knew I loved him like a brother.
And we're to this day brothers so the point was that we did that because i pushed for it and then you guys took it someplace new and different where you can kind of argue about sports but but you don't do it the way we did we're we're i'm not going to lose the debate right and by the way i never lost a debate to stephen a smith is that true you're like lenny dykstra's stock record yeah he lost one he lost one he was like 350 and one stock pick the thing that i loved about first take which made it very different from like around the horn yeah which you guys both had it was similar in that every conversation was a competition right but the thing i loved about first take is there's no score there's no score being kept we tried that once and it doesn't work no you know what would happen we'd let the audience sort of i don't even know what we're what technology we're using to let the audience actually score the debate on the fly and i would lose a hundred to one every time because i was the most hated man in sports media i was the one person that was voting for you by the way thank you for that uh yeah I remember the ESPN phone and I would text in afterwards but the great thing about about first take was after it was over the winner of the debate was actually up for debate then you got to debate with people about hey do you like do you like Stephen A and I always said the perfect thing about about what you guys had was you took two guys that were very, very skilled at screaming at each other. And they were maybe the only two people at ESPN that would disagree on both of the two questions of is LeBron James good and is Tim Tebow bad? And putting that together, there was some magic that happened.
It was magic fan of uh of that entire era do you and i you actually believe the tim tebow stuff too right like you believe that tim tebow if he was given a fair shot in the nfl i'm gonna tell you what i said from day one after i watched tim tebow beat my oklahoma sooners i grew up in oklahoma city and oklahoma fan i was born into the tradition can't help myself after I watched what he did to my Sooners in the second half of the championship game and then I saw that video of him at halftime saying we're gonna take the ball we're gonna drive it down their throats I said god I want that guy on my team so I said on the air on first take before the draft if he's available at the bottom of the first round, I'm going to take him. And if I run his college offense, I'm going to win a lot of games in the National Football League.
He'll never make a Pro Bowl, but I want him on my team. And Josh McDaniels, then the Denver head coach, took him with the 25th overall pick.
And when he got his chance his rookie year after Josh got fired, he lost his guy go look at what happened the last three games of his rookie year when he did get to play he put up big numbers legs and arm and they won two of those three games including one over the Texans at home which he drove them to the champ to the winning touchdown at the end of the game and And obviously, when Elway and Fox took over the next year, they just wanted to get the Tebow thing out of the way. When they fell to one and four, let's just get it over with.
Let's throw him into the fire at Miami. Remember this? And let's just get it over with because he'll suck and the fans will finally say, okay, you're right about this.
And all the zealots out there will say, okay, that's enough of Tebow. And they won in overtime.
And they kept winning games, as I kept saying, all he does is win. And so day after day on first take, we would bring in a parade of ex-NFL players along with Stephen A.
and others. And they would all fight me to the death over, he can't throw.
And I'd say the last five minutes of games he has the best qbr in the national football league throwing the football because as eric mangini once said to me you know you're right about this he gets accurate when it's time to get accurate so he takes a one in four team to the division title and all those naysayers had to keep eating crow

monday after monday after monday and obviously our ratings went through the roof we we did numbers

in 2011 on espn2 obviously now pretty much abandoned by studio shows but we did numbers

on espn2 that will never ever be touched because of me and tebow yeah and you still think

Thank you. abandoned by studio shows but we did numbers on espn2 that will never ever be touched because of me and tebow yeah and you still think i mean he's not good well he never got another chance did he he never did he's a winner i mean just basically say that seriously 20 years from today somebody who knows nothing about what we just discussed somebody will take the numbers and say wait a second this guy won the division in 2011 and then he beat the pittsburgh steelers in a playoff game and then he never got another chance to play never never started another game nobody ever gave him a shot right okay how can you explain that well you think he's just not good and finally i guess belichick chip kelly and philly decided well he's just not good enough but but you have to you have to give him a chance to win the game because i think he could have kept winning game what about this what if you just made him a closer like in baseball he.
He comes in. You get Dak out there for three quarters.
Tebow comes in in the fourth quarter. It's a revolutionary thought, and it's a great one.
And I do not disagree with that premise. It's just something the National Football League doesn't do because we don't do that.
But someday somebody will try that and succeed with it, and then everybody will develop a closer for their team. That be awesome get some music playing have him run out of the tunnel yeah yeah so have you have you spoken with did tim tebow ever thank you for everything you did for him i interviewed him twice we had him once on first take and then i went to um superbowls in indianapolis that year and i sat with him for an hour for a piece that we played on first take.
And I never got close to him. I never connected.
I do believe in God. He obviously really believes in God in ways that I don't quite worship.
But we never talked about that. And it surprised me, frankly, that off the air he didn't say something to me about any connection we had i didn't ever feel any closeness at all so i i didn't have a relationship i don't have his contact i i just believed in him winning football games yeah yeah yeah so you you very artfully dodged the dallas cowboys portion oh i'm sorry I love that.
Yeah. Is your is your jersey in the trash still?

I threw them away and my wife burned them. Did she burn the jerseys? Wait, wait, wait.
Hang on. She took them out of the trash can.
She burned them. And then put them into the fire.
It was an exorcism. Yeah.
What happened with, can you explain to me what happened with the smart trash can that one video? That was tough. It kept on closing on you.
Yeah, but was I not deadly accurate? I know, but that thing was bodying you. Yeah, it was.
It just kept on closing on you. I know, but I didn't miss a throw because I was going Tebow like in the last five minutes where I'm out of my mind.
It's like pure anger is manifesting in my deadly accuracy.

Yes.

Where I'm throwing with all my might. In fact, it reminds me a bit, if I may, my Vanderbilt Commodores.
Yeah. We finally beat Alabama and we kicked their ass.
Yeah. We beat them fair and square because we outplayed them on Saturday in Nashville at our stadium.
And our smart students then took the goalpost and carried it all the way down West End Avenue. It's like three miles to the Cumberland River, downtown Nashville, and threw the goalpost into the river.
It's like 134 years of frustration because we hadn't beaten a top five team in 134 years of playing college football and we took 134 years and threw it in the river so i took every piece of cowboy memorabilia that i own jerseys hats scarves and i fired every piece into the trash she went into the trash and took all of the above and burned them in a big pile in the kitchen she just set them on fire so you have no more dallas cowboys merch well i started over with a number 17 jersey because i thought he was the greatest kicker i've ever seen in my life so i decided what about 11 from heaven go what about what about parsons that's the new go i kick against the Giants are we talking about the guy I have to file a missing Parsons report missing Parsons that's really good I said this to you before when we talked for a minute but you need to be called to task on your tweet after Vandy won when you said if you watched or heard the end of this's Skip Bela show, I strongly hinted at this possibility but didn't want to predict the upset for fear. Bama coaches would show it to their players and I would doom my school.
You don't get credit for hinting. You gotta take the pick.
Okay, but if you listen to the end of my podcast the week before, I whispered it at the end. I literally whispered, we have a quarterback who gives us a chance to win every game, including this game.
He just knows how to play, but don't tell anybody. Don't tell Alabama.
Thank God you whispered it because the Bama coaches, they probably can't hear the whispers. I don't think they did.
Although they all put they put mouse traps in each player's

locker because this is going to be a proverbial trap game yeah and i'm like yeah trap shooting like clay pigeons you know pull bam you know like that's what the trap's going to be but i i wanted them to saunter in i wanted them to be drained and a little down from from the game of the year the game before and we were coming off a bye. And we do have a Diego Pavia who just knows how to win college football games.
It's simple as that. He's played five years of college football and started every year, two at New Mexico Military, two at New Mexico State.
He brought five coaches with him to Vanderbilt, including his offensive coordinator because we needed him to put us on the national map and he did and if that's our version of nil is hiring five coaches that's what we have to do yeah all right so i got a question uh how do you watch all the games and how do you have the energy i know you get up at like two in the morning to run and lift all the time but is there has there been a moment in your career where you've started to run out of gas or you're like I can't I mean it's it's pretty crazy that you're able to do it and keep this up big cat if you know me I am obsessed with this I I am still more on fire than I have ever been I I live for it I eat sleep breathe it I explain it. You can ask my wife.
On our first date back in 2005, I told her, if this goes anywhere, you will always be number two to my work because it's not work to me. It's my life.
It's my reason for being. I love the games.
It's not a task for me to watch the games. And then you have to figure out the why of what you just saw.
So I'm really into processing the why and trying to see things others don't see. Not that I'm a shock jock.
These things just come naturally to me. And then I'm going to say exactly what I see.
Yeah okay do you surprise yourself sometimes when you're like oh man this take is this is a fiery one that no one's going to see coming yeah but i i don't think of it as a take like a hot take i hate that cliche it's just me i don't know it's just me being me yeah you just think you you have the ability to think counter to what most people seeing and thinking. Like they'll see one thing and you're seeing, Hey, this is actually the story here.
Yeah. I, I don't think of it that way, but I do think it's clearly you have that because you will have, you'll have opinions.
It's like, Oh, I didn't even think about it that way. That are fresh.
Yeah. That make you think.
And then you're going to sit back because you're a smart guy and you're a really smart guy and you're gonna sit back and say oh okay yeah that that makes sense because i'm not i'm not shock jockey to the point i'm coming up with something where i say oh this this will stir up the hornet's nest i i don't have a hornet's nest i i'm just me i'm just seeing and saying exactly what i saw last night so you don't you don't gamble on the games do you just with my pride or like some mountain dew occasionally but actually that's a good point because you in a weird way you have a lot at stake on every game because yeah you're rooting for what you just said about the game yeah you're rooting for you know you're sometimes your takes that that zig when everybody else is zags you're rooting for that to be right so you can get on the that's true i told you so yeah okay i'll buy that yeah so when you watch the games are you watching are you watching multiple games at once or do you have what's your setup like my limit is three at once because i can't process i i have a hard time processing two, but I try to go three.

I've got two giant screens

and then I always have some game

on either phone or computer.

Yeah.

And when you wake up,

Big Cat alluded to the workout routine.

How many hours a day are we working out now?

Okay, I do cardio every day for one hour.

Never miss.

Was that just on a treadmill?

I used to run outside more. Now I'm confining everything to inside i'm in la it's just too dangerous to run outside the the trap that the there's psycho drivers in la i know they are in new york and chicago and everywhere else but it just got too dangerous so i'm i'm confining myself to all treadmill or upright exercise bike so i do that for an hour and i do not miss lifting monday wednesday friday afternoon every every single every single i don't miss wow i remember there was a profile i forget what magazine it was in but somebody talked about what a psycho you were in the gym just like locked what do you listen to when you work out a lot of times i'm listening to games like you're asking me how do you do it i try to time it around a game like because they start earlier in california obviously in the west so if it's 4 30 or 5 i've got a game on in my ear or i'm just watching it at home i got a home gym where i've got a tv in my home gym yeah you really are just like all sports all the time yeah which i love is there date night friday night ernestine's an angel for for she's a saint yeah so their friday night is date night yeah um but the rest cheat night we we have one slice of pizza every friday night oh my God, that's crazy.
Isn't that crazy?

We get really nuts.

I mean, we get like sicko, psycho nuts.

Only one?

You've done two.

That's the role.

I've done two a couple of times.

Yeah, you have.

I know you've done two.

And you eat the same thing for lunch every day, right?

You still do that?

I do.

I'm crazy.

What do you eat?

I'm happy crazy.

Every Monday you sit down, you make all your turkey sandwiches?

No, we have a chef make them.

Okay.

Yeah.

But I eat white meat turkey and broccoli and brown rice and beans, like dark beans.

I have that kind of combination two big times a day, lunch and dinner.

And then Friday, one, possibly two pieces lunch and dinner and that's and then friday one possibly two pieces of pizza and that's it and we'll we'll go frozen yogurt on friday night now which is a

big cheat now you're getting bad yeah that's crazy so when we're talking about the cowboys earlier

it always reminds me of you know to go back to you and steven a having the constant debates about

the dallas cowboys you and steven a part ways you go out to the west coast the cowboys losing the

Thank you. me of you know to go back to you and steven a having the constant debates about the dallas cowboys you and steven a part ways you go out to the west coast the cowboys losing the playoffs it felt like steven a turned up the cowboys dial a little bit yeah put the cowboy hat on sure it always felt like he was sending secret messages to you like this is for skip it's for an audience of one i'm still rubbing it in for skip did you feel that way too i thought he was doing it for his ratings just to remind everybody now he's the cowboy hater as opposed to me being the cowboy lover so i thought it was smart on his part but i'm a psycho sicko cowboy fan i'm spoiled rotten and you asked me about back yeah i'm just not buying yeah i don't believe.
I've seen enough. I know what he is and what especially he is not.
He is two and five in the postseason. And every time a big moment has come in a postseason game that is begging to be won, he's not there.
And they played a game three years ago at San Francisco that was begging to be won by the defense when Micah was riding highest. And he was at least a Defensive Player of the Year candidate.
And he basically took over a game at San Francisco that the offense needed one play to be made. And missed five open receivers in that game and they lost a close game and that was as close as they're ever going to come to getting to an NFC championship game with Dak Prescott at quarterback wow and yet Jerry has committed to him for four more years made him the richest player in the history of pro football because Jerry just wants to sell tickets.
And Dak will sell tickets because he's safe. And you know he's going to put up gaudy enough numbers to be somewhere on the fringe of the MVP race.
And they'll win some games. I got them at eight and nine missing the playoffs, But they'll win enough games as they stole one the other night at Pittsburgh because of Dak in the end after he had three horrendous turnovers, two in the red zone.
They'll be just good enough to be a factor, just good enough to be relevant, just good enough to be the team nobody can take their eyes off of so that's why dak is the quarterback i was praying for trey lance to have a sensational preseason to the point that jerry would say well maybe maybe yeah i should go here and plunge with him the way the shanahan's plunged no yeah that did not happen just did not happen sometimes wake up in cold sweats thinking about mason crossbar yeah no game has ripped my guts out more than that game did because that was that was arguably dac's best game of his career that was his first playoff game that's when they were the one seed that's when they had a home playoff game against aaron bleep and rogers who always plays the best against the dallas cowboys there's something in the bears but yeah i'll give you that yeah thank you but that's that's like too easy yeah that's also i'll give you that yeah but yeah he that was a okay that so that so they're the one seed at home yeah and they're not ready to play and they come out and fall what was it 21 to something behind 21 to three and here came Dak and here came Zeke and Dak was made possible by Zeke and I didn't see that coming I was more Dak at that point but Zeke was leading the league in rushing and he was such a force and a factor that it allowed Dak to maximize himself as a fourth round pick in his rookie year. So all of a sudden, bam, bam, bam, he's got Des Bryant.
We roll back and we tie the game. And then it took Mason Crossbar hitting two intergalactic field goals that had no chance of making it over over the crossbar and the first one was a dying quail that that that he missed to the right he he actually it was a near shank but it was definitely a slice and it faded just over the crossbar from 53 maybe the first one was and the second one we're indoors and go back and look at i dare anybody call up the video it hooks badly off his foot there's no wind indoors he hooked it and as soon as it left his foot i won and the hand of god comes down and and pulls the ball back inside the left upright i don't know how football hooked left and then somehow faded back to the right with no wind i don't know how it happened it was not meant to be yeah that's probably the closest they've come to that was a pretty good team too i well let me ask this about this uh the new iteration that we see the cowboys are we still all in or are we all in my ass all in my ass i i tweeted that and it blew up and i was like what's wrong with that i think somebody thought it was some perverse sexual yeah yeah no that's exactly what people thought yeah yeah i i no it's just all in my ass all in my ass yeah the uh what you follow no one on twitter do you ever see any other tweets like what what what's up with that you know you asked me about forming opinions yeah i just don't want to be influenced by what anybody else thinks yeah so i don't need that i don't want that i want to be completely true to myself authentic as cliched and silly as that might sound to you guys i i just want to be me and i don't need anybody to define me or to help me form my opinion i don't want to respond to what the public's opinion is i want to set the tone and the table and you know i i only had my days working with steven a and shannon sharp both of whom i love like brothers my my only grievance with either one of them was when we'd go to break and they're looking at their phone and they're scrolling like seeing what what twitter said in those days twitter what did they say about what I just did? As if they need validation that they won the argument.
Wait. And then in my days with Stephen A, one guy in Alaska would say, you just got your ass kicked.
Aren't you embarrassed? And we come out of break and we go back on live tv and he's angry at me for reasons i don't know and then he might turn to his camera and say and i don't care what you say i'm right about tim tebow or whatever yeah right and he's out of his mind i'm saying what are you doing yeah and it's because there was the one guy in alaska who who told him he just got his ass kicked. And I would say, you're so much better than that.
You're Stephen A. freaking Smith.
Just stand on your own two feet. You don't need validation.
You don't want to let them creep into your psyche and define who you are on the air to actually play a role in how you're going to respond to me and then coming out of the next break seriously so that's that's commendable yeah i i think it's a very human uh emotion and instinct being being out in the public sphere and looking for that you guys look yeah i try not to as much because of what you just described where it's like i could see a hundred positive comments and then one guy and that will ruin my day so i've i think i've gotten better you know i was a one guy ruined my day guy i started in 2009 on twitter and for maybe a year i i would look at my ads my responses my mentions I would find, I would see one guy who said, your hair looks like shit today. And I would think it does.
My hair looks like shit. Maybe it does.
Maybe it does. And it would start to affect my concentration.
Okay. So why, why would I inflict that upon myself? Yeah, no, it's smart.
It's a good way to, it's a good way to go through it so your career was there i mean you you don't lack in confidence i think that's fair to say uh was there a moment though where you not not a light bulb moment let's say a light bulb moment where it's like oh i can do this and i i have a skill here and this is what you know i'm good on air i'm good on radio was there that moment for you or did you just always think hey i'm the best i can do this that's a great question thank you that great question thank you i'm not sure i have that moment so quick background story I began to do things for ESPN in like 1989 i started being a regular on what was called sports reporters with dick schaap back in the day mike lupica tony kornheiser bob ryan and i found right away i i i like the medium it was good for me because I could really, I'm more introverted off camera, but I could really come out of my shell and just be me. And that's the real me on camera more than off camera.
And ESPN liked what I did. So they started a show called Cold Pizza, whose remnants are still first take, but they started in 2004.
And Mark Shapiro was running ESPN and called me and said, you've done a lot for us. I need you to come to New York and try to help us save my show because that was his signature morning show based in New York City.
it was a show loosely based on sports that was sort of the GMA, Good Morning America, of ESPN. Not a great idea because if you want GMA and you're just a casual sports fan, you'll probably just watch GMA.
Right. And they were getting no ratings.
So he said, I love you as a debater.

It's what you do best.

I'm going to sports up cold pizza. I want you to do four segments a day.
It was with Woody Page at that point because he was already on the show. You guys go back and forth four times a show.
And let's see if we can spike the ratings, which we started to do. But the first morning I was there, we did one rehearsal for the showrunner who was not a sports guy and then Brian Donilon, who became a good friend of mine.
So we go into the debate. It was just something we did trick up at that point just to see how it felt.
We were going live the next day and two sentences flew out of my mouth i went first and brian donnellan came running out of the control room down onto the floor of the new yorker hotel at 34th and 8th in manhattan where we shot the show and screamed at me you're can i say that yeah he says you're way too fucking hot for morning television and i'm like brian trust me on this this is what you need for morning television and that was a eureka moment because i stopped him in his tracks and he shook his head and he said okay okay just just take it down one notch for me and we'll be okay. So we finished the rehearsal and I took it down one notch.
And then the next morning, I took it two notches back up. And the rest was ratings history because they eventually pulled every plug in New York City on ESPN.
Stephen A's, quite frankly, and they had Howie Schwab stumped the Schwab and Josh Elliott on ESPN Classic all plugs got pulled but they couldn't pull the cold pizza plug because we were making money because we were starting to rate in large part because of the debates right because we were actually doing some hardcore sports talk in the midst of the pet segments in the ballpark food segments and the cigar segments that were good morning america on espn yeah so from there they just took us up to the mothership in bristol and rebranded us first take and the rest is yeah so that is the kind of a light bulb moment yeah it was like this this one segment actually deserves its own show deserves deserves to have other shows even packaged around the idea that this is our centerpiece of the mornings. At what point did you first debate Stephen A.
Smith, and did you realize instant chemistry? I did, and that is also a great question. Great question.
Thank you. That was in Los Angeles in 2002.
We were both on Jim Rome's show on what was called Fox Sports Net. It was the forerunner to FS1's today.
And Jim did a show called The Last Word on Fox Sports Net, and he would frequently have different sort of sparring partners on. He loved me.
And one day, faithfully, I got paired with this guy, Stephen A. Smith.
And I got a kick out of him from day one. And right away, we got into it about some NBA topic.
And Jim became a spectator at a tennis match where his head was just going back and forth and back and forth and

back and forth and I knew right away this had magic to it. We just clicked because he has the greatest gift of gab in the history of television in my view and there's something about his respect for me was instant and you you have to be able to respect where he he let me go hard at him he's got a big ego and i love him but he has a huge ego because he's earned a huge ego and yet he already had it then and he allowed me to go right at him and and to make little jokes about him and and to insult him in the realm of the debate you don't know what you're talking about no one can tell Stephen that but I just knew right away he's going to let me say that to him because he didn't know what he was talking about right so I was just telling him the truth you're just so wrong about this because of x and y and z yeah but and and he loved for me to set tables for him because he's a great reactor as as opposed to a pre-actor i'm more of a pre-actor where i'm gonna go boom boom boom and and he can sit back stroke his chin and say wait a second And he can take my point D and say, did you just say that X is Y? Yeah, I said that.
What do you make of it? And here we go off on a tangent that he was comfortable playing over here in that might not be the question that was originally asked by jim rome and i knew you you can't teach that you can't coach it you guys know it you have it it's connection it's chemistry that that either happens or it does not happen and there's there's no manager there's no showrunner i i don't know what you guys go through behind the scenes but he tells us what to do all the time okay he's the public master well that's fine and and yet he can't tell you exactly what to say when it's time to say it and right away i'm i'm in your flow right now and and it's really a beautiful place to be because it's magic You have it and i don't know why you have it you could thank god or you could thank you could thank the gods of barstool i i don't know if something happened that connected the two of you and you play off each other and you're comfortable with the flow of this and you don't step on each other and i don't know if you ever fight off the air whatever you probably do because i did with steven a occasionally because it's what happens when you're doing this although you guys don't do it at the sort of go for the throat level that we did but the the point is i just knew right away that he liked me that turned into loved me. So, yeah.
And it all, I love that answer because chemistry is the most important thing. We don't really fight off air.
The only time we ever really had was the dip spit. The dip spit.
I accidentally left a bottle of dip spit. I used to.
It was all the way to the full. But it might not have been my bottle.
It had no cap on it. But it also might not have been my bottle.
Okay, but real quick. So would there ever be a show where Big Cat thinks that PFT jumped in too much? Or are you...
We've never thought about anything like that. No, not like to the point of arguing about something on the show.
I mean, I'll say this. We've been doing this for eight plus years.
There's definitely shows where I'll walk away and be like, oh, that wasn't our best. But we consistently are doing it every time.
And there's also a lot of shows where I'm like, we'll say it out loud. Like, that was a great show.
Like, we hit everything. We were in the flow.
So I'm very curious because what you said was kind of beautiful about chemistry. And I believe in it big time.
What we have here is special, and I don't take that for granted. You're now, though, kind of going out on your own.
So is there part of you that is going to miss that? And are you a little not scared because I don't think you probably ever get scared? Maybe if Charles Barkley showed up at your door, you might get scared. We can get to that later.
My wife my wife would handle him okay yeah shout out ernestine uh is there though a piece of you that's like i i don't know if i want to do this solo because i don't have that foil someone to go back and forth with play tennis almost also a good question because now ironically i'm coming after you guys like i want to do what what you did i did the linear tv at the highest level and i needed another challenge and this is it you were in the right space at the right time and and you guys are extraordinary not just you guys but the whole barstool universe is extraordinary, what you have achieved in a fairly short time. So maybe I'm a little late to the party, but I need to be late to the party because I need that challenge.
And I found over the last two years on linear TV, as those ratings start to erode slowly but surely, that people want video, digital and i was reaching far more people with my videos with my tweets than i was on linear television and it was an eye-opener to me till this was two years ago i'm saying i i gotta go do this and yet i gotta take baby steps because the hardest thing i'm finding right now is to find the right foil figure i'm still doing my solo podcast i i just go solo for an hour i don't know anybody does that on the internet the way i do it and it's fine and it's i can scratch the itch but but we are now trying to develop three or four different shows, an interview show, a debate show.

I'm even thinking very strongly.

Every time I had Ernestine on air with me on Undisputed, the ratings went through the roof.

And we're thinking about she and I doing a show together because she is a live wire fireball.

She's the only one who will shut me down. So we're thinking about even trying that.
But the foil figure for the debate show has been very difficult for me to find so far. And we are scouring the backwaters for it.
Yeah. So and you obviously leave FS1,1 uh you know what is it a month or two ago um the ending with shannon people talk about are there any regrets there uh because obviously there was it felt like what you were talking about where pft9 we don't fight off air but it felt like it was kind of a real fight on air at times and and viewers can see that and feel that.
And that's where it might turn a little bit. Yeah, I understand that.
Trust me on this. I love that guy.
And we were together for seven years in a very different way than you guys are together. Because we took it up a from Stephen A.
and I, because in the end,

Stephen A. is more of a showman, an entertainer.
So our debates could be a little sillier than the ex-pro football player now in the Hall of Fame versus me, because I do know football, and I would take it to whatever depth Shannon wanted to go to on X and O football. Wherever he wanted to go, I'll go there because I learned from a lot of great people in this business.
I learned from Don Shula and Bill Walsh and Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson. I know football.
I don't know the jargon that Shannon knows about 22-man and bomb blitz and whatever the Denver Broncos used or the Baltimore Ravens used for jargon, but we would get into it about football, and he would get miffed occasionally that I would dare to go that deep with him about football when I didn't play football. And I've said this from day one.
My experience debating pro football or basketball players is the greater they were at playing, sometimes the less they actually can explain about why that or that or that happened. Because not that they didn't work hard, but it came so naturally to them that they can't see or feel exactly why it works see michael jordan as the team builder in charlotte who was the biggest disaster of a general manager in the history of sports the greatest performer and player in the history of sports was the worst team builder in the history of sports for low those many years in Charlotte because he couldn't see why can he play and he can't because he was too supremely gifted at what he did yeah okay so we would clash occasionally on the football part don't you understand I'm in the hall yeah I get it I understand but that that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion that's correct about whether he can or can't play.
So my point is, I loved every minute with Shannon, but we took it to levels of supreme debate where it went right to the edge and occasionally slightly over the edge of competitive. Yeah.
To where we got mad at each other. And by the seventh year, it's a long time, man.
We had some great runs. We did some big ratings numbers, trust me, that will never be touched again in FS1 history.
I doubt. God bless them, but I doubt it.
But the point was that, yeah, in year seven, did we fray a little bit? Sure we did. But I fought for him to stay.
And I don't know what happened between Shannon and the people upstairs because I was not privy. but he went before I went, you know, and it tore me apart.

I did not want him to go.

And I told him the last day, I sat with him in his dressing room and I said, I envy you because you're going to get to go do what I want to do. I still had a year left on my deal.
And he got pushed out the back door and it tore me up and I missed him. We'll get back to Skip in a second.
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So what would happen when you would go... I like the idea of supreme debate, by the way.
It's almost like Nirvana. You've reached the higher path.
It's like an ayahuasca of debate. You've gone through the wall.
But what would happen when it would get frayed a little like the the famous obviously the tom brady that moment that was the moment yeah that was the moment but what happens after the cameras are off is it uh fuck you fuck you is it uh don't talk for a while like what tell us as viewers what what how that comes back together a little bit or did it not come come back together? I showed him from day one in 2016, shortly after you guys had started. Our first day was September 6th, 2016.
You were- We were March 2016. So you were about six months out of us.
I tried to make him understand because I handpicked him because I really thought he could do this and he can do it and did do it because Shannon works hard at the craft.

He was always prepared and always on time and always there for me.

And I love him for that.

And I will be forever grateful to him for what he gave to me for seven great years or maybe six and a half ish because now to these incidents the the one okay so i think i misunderstood some of what he was saying but what we're talking about brady and i'm a brady fan i don't even know tom brady but when he won seven of these and I can make a case he should have won eight because I still don't understand why Bill Belichick benched Malcolm Butler for the Philly Super Bowl. I don't get it.
I've not heard a rational, reasonable explanation of what happened, but he played the most snaps on defense and then he doesn't play any snaps in the Super Bowl and i don't get it something must have happened behind the scenes but both tom and malcolm said nothing happened behind the scenes my point is it's hard to rip that it's hard to it's it's hard to criticize that as savagely as shannon began to criticize tom brady and i just just couldn't get it and so at one point he says to me you do understand I'm in the Hall of Fame and I said yeah but you're you're not in this guy's universe he won seven Super Bowls nobody's in his universe and Shannon got mad about somehow I'm disparaging his career well no he won three super bowls and he's in the hall of fame and there was some misunderstanding to it but but there was no lingering fight about it and when we went to commercial i i i tried to show him from day one when we go to commercial i am letting all of it go i'm passionate about it but i also know the show must go on so i'm gonna walk away for a second as i always did i walked over to my little desk and i began to prep for our next debate and i let it go um people who ran the show decided we should maybe sit down after that one and we did and we had a great talk it. And we hugged and went on to the next day.
So we were really good. We got through it.
But that was the only day I can remember where he actually got mad on the air. You could see it.
And that's where it gets uncomfortable. Where it's like the chemistry kind of.
And I told you. Yeah.
Once you cross that line, audience is like. Yeah.
We're out. Yeah.
That's the danger you run when you do supreme debate that's supreme supreme debate and i needed ayahuasca after that yeah you've reached levels that no man has ever reached so uh so shannon leaves and like we talked about you're trying to find your foil good luck with that i hope i really hope i mean in my own personal dreams i would hope that at some point you and Stephen A, somewhere down the line, could link back up again.

You never know.

What's the percentage chance of that happening?

I have no idea.

We tried in 2020.

To his credit, my deal was up after my first four years.

So I've been there from 2016 to 2020.

And he did his darndest and I did my damnedest to reunite with him and they did make an offer and i was unaware i had a matching clause in somewhere at the very bottom in very fine print of my contract that was standard to all contracts i was told i had one at ESPN that I was not aware of. And not only did Fox match, they did sweeten the pot.
Thank you to Lachlan Murdoch for that. So they tried to make it happier for me to stay.
But I tried everything in my power to rejoin him because I missed him dearly. No disrespect to Shannon.
I'd done four years with Shannon. I wanted to go back with

Stephen A. And then ESPN came up with a second idea of a hybrid show whereby I would stay on Undisputed.
He would stay on First Take. But every afternoon, we would reunite for 30 or 45 minutes to do ESPN Plus together, digital show.

And we tried and tried to make it happen. And it's just, there are too many egos involved on both sides to have those two.
I guess you ought to be messy. Two competitors, you know, Fox doesn't want to give anything to ESPN Plus.
They don't, and vice versa. So that never got off the ground.
Well, I hope you find somebody. I hope you find your next foil.
And I hope that foil is Stephen A. Smith somehow.
Thank you. But Shannon goes on.
He's obviously done really well at ESPN on his own. Did you happen to see his Instagram live? I did not.
You heard about the Instagram live. I heard about it, but give me some details.
Okay. He was engaged in an in an activity oh yeah yeah okay i thought we're gonna reenact okay okay oh oh oh puppy puppy oh and it was like that for about about 20 minutes we just did that for a skip it was very authentic yeah there was a lot of that okay yeah uh but you didn't see anything you didn't see anything it was audio only.
When I saw Yeah, there was a lot of that. Okay.
Yeah. But you didn't see anything.

You didn't see anything.

It was audio only.

When I saw it, I was like, I need to turn on notifications for Skip Bayless because I thought you might have a take about it when you first saw it.

So do you have a take about it now that you've heard it from us?

I have no take about it.

Do you guys have a take about it?

Yeah.

It's a perfectly normal activity that a healthy male was engaged in and both parties seem to be enjoying themselves.

I'll buy that.

You need to hear it again.

I feel like I'm want to hear it again. So you can have a take about it.
No, I'll wait until later today. Okay, or maybe tomorrow.
Just be careful with your phone. It might be careful with your phone.
It might just go live at any given time. And we'll never know.
Yeah. But yeah, I hope you I hope you find whoever that next foil is doing the podcast by yourself.
You said you did it for an hour. So it's just an hour of skits.
Hour of takes. Straight takes.
Hard, long form. Baring my soul.
Emptying my heart. All the passion spills.
And I've been doing it for a couple of years years i kind of did it with my left hand at fox just to have some outlet something else besides undisputed and yet my greater passions lie in all these other shows that we are developing did you did you find that over the years your um your enjoyment of sports? Increased. I love that.
Because you talk to a lot of people in the business and they say, like after being around it for so long. Burned out.
You get either burned out or you get numb to it. I like hearing that you're getting more excited by sports.
I mean, my God. I watched Vanderbilt University beat Alabama.
and it was the greatest moment of my sports watching existence on this planet to where I felt a joy that I'm getting goosebumps as we speak that lingers, that continues on through the week for me. I felt a satisfaction that I could spill out in my podcast that dropped this morning that i've never felt watching a game and i'm still going strong you know like like those things are happening they're still out there i i was watching the dodger game last night and they used they used eight pitchers and i'm thinking you can't do that I grew up in an era with Bob Gibson going nine every night in two hours and two minutes and and I'm watching Dave Roberts use eight bullpen you know he's going one inning 1.1 inning and I'm thinking this is absurd the the way the evolution has changed in this game so i'm fascinated i i can't i can't stop talking about all these things that drive your lives right right right um is there a take or an opinion that you wish you had back or one that you're like man that was dumb or do you just always look forward never i i would tell you the truth i'm telling you from my soul i i have no regrets if you have one you want to throw at me i got a bunch um derrick fisher will prove to be a much better nba head coach than steve kerr okay i love derrick fisher and i still believe in him kerr's won a lot of titles yeah okay um what year was that that was uh 2014 okay um i still believe in derrick fisher right place right time here's the thing big cats not understand at that time yeah he could have been right yeah everything's wrong in the benefit of hindsight all right here's one.
Manti Tao, the next Ray Lewis. Yeah, I didn't know about the fishing incident that was about to transpire.
So you weren't familiar. Material change.
All right, I like how you're, this is good. Okay, like Johnny Manziel.
I thought he could go to Cleveland and take the town over to where he'd be bigger than LeBron James ultimately because football is way bigger than basketball in Cleveland, Ohio. And yet I said repeatedly on the air and my bosses did not like it.
I said, if he ever has drug or alcohol problems that plague him going forward into the NFL, because I'd heard lots of stories, I said, I'm out. Yeah.
So he did. And I was out.
That was smart. What about this one? Long-term, give me Josh Freeman over Cam.
Better leader, more consistent passer, more clutch, more poised under fire, more careful with the ball. Yeah.
Love Josh Freeman at Kansas State. And they went 10-6 at Tampa.
He's just wriggling out of me. I'm not wriggling.
I'm telling wait what year was that that was 2012 okay oh yeah he also he had I'm trying to take his side substance abuse yeah see this is this is like this is watching but I can't know that yeah no you can't know that it's material change but also also Cam Newton won an MVP in what, 2015? Yeah. That was pretty good.
That was pretty good. Cam Newton was pretty good.
Cam Newton pretty clutch. He won a Heisman.
That was a pretty crazy year. He won a national title with a not a great Auburn team.
But then he started dabbing. He won another one on the junior college level.
Yeah. Yeah.
He was pretty good. I mean, I like that you're able to find your way out of all these.
No, I can't know. If they have off-the-field issues that are going to derail them, if you saw Josh Freeman beat Texas at Texas when he was at Kansas State and they were nothing, he was impressed.
You're a college guy. Yeah, no, Josh Freeman, I like Josh Freeman.
And that year he's a pro bowler and they're 10 and 6 and i'm sure that's when i tweeted that but can't can't i am i am a college cam was really good in college he was he had the issue at florida that got him kicked out of florida right yeah but he was really good i think cam newton has seen that last year at auburn that might have been the best season of any college player of all time you could make the case yeah. Yeah.
But you didn't see Josh Freeman. But Josh Freeman was also very good.
He was second. He was number two.
What about, so where are we at with LeBron right now? Now, I'm MJ over LeBron, but what does LeBron have to do for the rest of his career to maybe get a little bit of respect? Respect? I mean, he's got respect. Listen, I still call LeBron the best passer in basketball to this day to this moment he's the best passer in basketball he is the greatest driver of the basketball i have ever witnessed on any level at any time the poor man was just born without a clutch gene and we see it again and again and again so all of my lebron debates have always been in the context that you started this question with yeah mj or lebron stop it don't don't don't even go there because it's offensive to me you would put those two in the same sentence because lebron could not carry jordan's sneakers and mike's got a lot of sneakers to carry, right?

So where is he now? He's played 20,000 plus more minutes than MJ played. 20,000 more minutes than Michael Jordan played.
And he's the greatest scorer in the history of basketball, even though he's a 74% free throw shooter for his career, which is pathetic given his magnitude as a score. As a three-point shooter, he's at 34.8%, which among active players ranks in the 200s and among all players all time ranks in the 700s of three-point shooting.
Yet, he's score ever because of longevity because he has stayed healthier at a high level he's obviously supremely gifted as a driver of the basketball so he leads the world in scoring while he's a poor three-point and a poor free throw shooter and the second is more inexcusable because they're called free throws for a reason they are free shots from 15 feet unguarded and michael jordan made 84 percent career from the free throw line lebron's at 74 percent larry bird shot 89 for his career because they're called free throws look how many points lebron has left on the table over the years. So that debate ended long ago.
And yet, I remind you, we've seen back-to-back Denver series, LA-Denver series, in which in fourth quarters, LeBron has been more pathetic than ever. No clutch gene.
Yeah, no clutch gene. So what is the clutch gene? It being able to to take and make the shot at the moment to win the game and jordan obviously had the clutch gene the greatest ever lebron no clutch gene um what about lebron's other titles what about cleveland delhi delhi carried him well no i mean lebron's a great player i mean he's he's obviously a very gifted passer and all-around player but he needs somebody else to take and make the kairi shot that won game seven at oakland right yeah okay so here's here's an interesting thought experiment we're not going to do lebron versus mj one-on-one right now but what about mj right now how old is he is he 55 60 no he's all his 50th birthday was he's like i'm not sure oh no he might have been 60th yeah i think you're right it might be around 64 yeah let's just say uh michael jordan right now okay 64 let's see 61 61 61 year old michael jordan one-on-one against brawny who wins that's that's amazing uh fascinating yeah mike would just out intangulum excuse me intangible him he would out trash talk him and by the way i love brawny because they raised him right he's such a great kid LeBron's a very good father.
Hey. Yeah.
Come on. You can see it.
Hey. You can.

It's manifested.

It's manifested itself a number one son. I mean, what a great kid.
J.J. Reddick keeps saying he's so coachable.
And yet, it's ripping my guts out to watch Bronny through the summer league when he didn't even belong in summer league, alone g league and now i kept saying okay maybe when he's alongside his father it'll bring out the best in brawny because he got raised around all the superstars maybe he'll rise to that occasion so now i've seen 14 13 minute stints in two preseason games and and it's summer league all over again yeah i've seen him make one basket late in the first game that he played, a little left-handed layup, and I'm like, really? Then I watch him again on the night that he actually is sharing the floor with his father for the first time ever, and he plays 14 minutes, and he turns it over four times, and he scores zero points. And I'm saying, I don't know if he can play.
Seriously.

So it's everything LeBron has lasted for was to play with his son.

And what if his son just can't hack it?

What if he just doesn't deserve any minutes with the big league team?

And I know LeBron well enough to tell you,

it's beneath the family's dignity for Bronny James to play in the G League for the South Bay Lakers. I don't think they want that because it's disgraceful.
Like it's below their stature that they've earned. Yeah.
I think it's a very cool moment though for LeBron. It's a great story.
Okay. It's a great story.
How are they going to manage it for a season? Yeah. Okay.
Then what? Can the can the kid back it up yeah what if he's getting 10 minutes a night and that kid max christie who's starting to come along what if what if he's going to jj saying seriously what if all of a sudden jared vanderbilt or or any of the guys cam reddish down the bench they're they're going to to JJ saying, you got to stop this. It's insanity.
You just can't play. Then what happens? Does it start to tear the team apart? Yeah.
No, it's a fair question. It's a fair question.
Well, I have a couple last questions here because I know you're going to do something else in the office. One question is, when you were in Bristol, you basically renovated a hotel room and got uh i did is that right and you got a satellite on top you explain this because this is like i'm i'm obsessive about making sure i can watch all the games but this is to another level okay so they moved our show from new york to bristol and i had met my wife, Ernestine.
We weren't husband and wife, but we were together. We were living together in Manhattan.
She had a great job in Manhattan. All of a sudden, I got to go to the mothership two hours away up into central Connecticut.
And I realized the first day I was there, as I stayed in the Residence Inn, which is in Southington, Connecticut, just down the street from Bristol ESPN, I really liked it. So why would I buy a place if they'll pick up the tab? And they said, sure, well, you could stay there as long as you, like 365, I'll do it.
Done. So I made it my home away from home and they loved me so much they took care of me I was there almost like their child upstairs I was on the top floor they they let me have a satellite dish installed right outside my window on the top floor of the residence inn I bought my own furniture I got my own exercise equipment into the room it was a room.
And it was some of the most fun I ever had because they came in and cleaned every day. They gave me fresh towels every day.
I loved it. It was some of the happiest days, of course, career-wise.
Yeah, yeah. It was the happiest time on.
That's incredible though, getting a- The residence in. And so I would go back to New York on friday afternoon and be with ernestine and yet she started to like it so much she started taking my car service car up to bristol for the weekend and do a reverse trip where she would stay with me at the residence in because she enjoyed the people and they're just good good folks i miss vacation from manhattan like little vacation from Manhattan.
Yeah, I work in Manhattan Monday through Friday,

then I leave to get out of the city.

I go to Bristol.

That's incredible.

Beautiful Bristol, Connecticut.

Go to Lake Compounds Water Park and watch the museum.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Yeah, I miss that.

Magical place.

Yeah.

Big Cat alluded to it earlier,

but have you ever had the occasion

to cross paths with Charles Barkley?

No.

He said he wants to kick your ass.

No, he has said way more than that.

He said he wants to kill you. Kill you.
Yeah, the K word. I think he said on the Dan Patrick show, he said, if I'm ever diagnosed with like a life-threatening illness, just invite Skip Bayless on the show so I can kill him on live TV.
So you've never got a chance to meet him. This is the closest I got, but I'm pretty sure this wasn't the genesis of all this because i was just a columnist in dallas texas for the dallas morning news or maybe the times herald at this point spud webb then big nba star won the slam dunk contest good friend of mine players honored him and respected him so much that he would put on a big all-star game every summer in Dallas and everybody would come.
Magic would come, Bird would come, Charles Barkley would come. And occasionally I was asked to be a celebrity coach of a team, but I would actually have to make substitutions with the players.
So one year Charles was on my team. I tried to introduce myself to Charles before the game and he was uninterested in whoever the hell I was and yet I did have to take him in and out of the game so true story near the end of the game I leaned over and said Charles you want to go back in I'd like to try to win the game and he said brother I want to win the game too but my shit hurts and i'm like okay fine and i put somebody else in and it was um who was the shoot i just went blank on the kentucky the white kid um shooter rex chapman rex chapman so i put rex chapman in in place of charles and rex chapman hit the game winner that's a true story so tony kukot scotty pippen that's right it was bingo so that was as close as i ever got to charles and then as soon as i started doing this and that for espn in the early 2000s he started on his tirades against me on back in the day leno and letterman and Patrick and I have no idea but it got so bad that my wife Ernestine and her mother God rest her soul when she was alive started to take it very personally because their point to me was there might be one psycho out there who listens to Charles and idolizes Charles and decides to do Charles's bidding and take you out so you've got to figure out some way to get him to stop using the k-word he can rip and slash all he wants I don't care and I used to publicly thank Charles because he he hung on every word I said on television and I appreciated that he.
He was our most loyal fan of our show. But I finally went on my podcast a year and a half ago and just beseeched him to please stop using the K-word just for the sake of my wife and her mom.
And did he? And I'm pretty sure he has. I don't monitor it on a daily basis.
So we're off the K-word. That's good.
I think he quit the K word. Yeah, that's good.
Yeah. Maybe one day we can bury the hatchet between you two.
Because you're right. It sounds like he does listen to what you say.
Yeah. He gets mad at it.
I have no idea. I don't get what his issue is with me.
And yet we would have Kenny Smith on, had him on a couple of times on first take. And he would always say, you guys are too much alike.
And I'd'd be like me and charles are alike but he said just opinion wise he wants his opinion to be the opinion and he hears yours and maybe he thinks god i wish i'd thought of that or whatever maybe there's some jealousy or resentment i don't know but i got nothing against charles whatsoever yeah i think people will ask us because on wednesday's episode our guest was Troy Aikman. So he was just on, where are we at with Troy? Are things better? Are things worse? Have we got to get a talk? We're in touch.
We're friendly. About my book that I wrote.
Yeah. Did you imply or did you say he was gay? I did not say.
You didn't read it. I didn't know.
We don't read. I understand't read i understand and i respect and appreciate thank you if you if you had read my book you would love the way i portrayed troy in my book because troy was the hero of that book i liked my portrayal of him that i signed a book and hand delivered it the very first copy of my, to Troy on the, it would be the camp practice field at St.
Edwards University in Austin, Texas. First day of camp, practice ended.
I took my book up and gave it to him. And I was shocked that originally he did not like it, but we have come back around and he's been nothing but great to me.
And we text and I did catch your show with him and i thought he was great yeah he was uh and he did it because he loves joe buck like a brother and joe loves you guys and loves being on your show and so it was clear to me he was cool with you because you're so cool with joe yeah yeah um all right so i had one last question this has been great skip We really appreciate you coming in. Roback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com, promo code TAKE.
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Yep, I mean, it is. You have more energy than everyone here.
How many more years you got i endless i i don't know i never think about that honestly i don't so we could have like a skip bayless 90 year old screaming about uh you could lebron's grandchildren you could i hope i'm screaming about bra but it doesn't feel right at this point.

No, because it feels like you're not going to stop doing what you do, because like you said, that is your life.

It's my life.

There's no retirement for Skip Bayless.

I don't even think, like my wife, every time somebody brings that up somewhere, we see it somewhere, she just laughs out loud at it.

Like they don't get you.

Like, no.

Yeah.

No, that's the last thing in your universe is i want to gear down i want to gear up i love it yeah may get back to the supreme debate supreme debate no one's ever done it before yeah you're like a guru you like live at the top of a mountain and occasionally people walk up the steps how do i achieve yeah supreme debate i love the idea of supreme debate you and shannon reached debate levels that have never been reached in the world we did yeah actually yeah and we took it right to to that tiniest razor's edge it was dangerous and then then we're like teetering on the razor's edge and then we slip yeah and we cut our foot yeah people think they want to reach supreme debate but if you're not prepared for it no it it will end in a disaster. You would send somebody out on a surfboard and send them to Portugal during the storm and be like, yeah, go learn how to surf now.
And seriously, when you reach that level with Stephen A. and then Shannon, once you've been there, you're going to love those two humans like you've never loved anybody the rest of your born days because you went you went someplace with them no one's ever gone right right you have something in common with them that no other human it's almost like the the the guys who who walked on the moon like there's only a few of them it's beyond that yeah right right like you can only relate to those guys it's like tantric debate almost yeah i love it do you ever miss writing? I'm going to write a book.
I'm just about ready to start it about my wild ride through television. So I do miss it.
I'm going to reach hard for it very soon. All right.
Okay. Well, Skip.
I will read it. Yeah.
Thank you. Thank you so much for coming.
This has been great. Anytime anytime you're in the city we'd love to have you back on so uh good luck with everything and really really appreciate it it's been a pleasure i feel like i went into your supreme place yes with you guys today that very few get to occupy so i i feel like it's been tantric is that yeah yeah We can do the Shannon Sharp thing again if you want no I'll check it out also I was right by the way I do have a tweet where you said MJ vs LeBron who would win in horse so I was right horse? yeah you said horse I don't think we did it on the air I just remember doing one on one I have horse what about this i have horse lebron retires and and you just well in in in horse in horse you you you well couldn't mike just go to the free throw line and start shooting free throw the question is why would you have that debate because you it's so clear that who would win that what year was that um hold on let me find it uh you've dug deep yeah all right so this was 2020 april 6th so on covid you said this will be an all-time great who wins a game a horse between jordan in his prime and lebron and i just remember on air many times we did one-on-one i know we did horse that that's also now that i'm looking at it that's you got me you got me you needed something you're right you finally won a debate from me there we go right there we go i've defeated i've done what congratulations.
You just have LeB needed something during COVID. You're right.
You finally won a debate from me. There we go.
Right there. There we go.
I've defeated. I've done what's great ever good.
Congratulations. You should have LeBron on as your co-host.
I congratulate both of you for all your success. Thank you.
And may it continue for many years. Thank you.
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Fire fest of the week.

Let's wrap it up.

Henry.

Everything's good.

Yeah.

Nothing crazy.

The marathon.

I mean,

trying to,

the marathon is a,

it's a long route.

It's directly,

it blocks off every way for me to get to the office. I'm just going to have to drive like 20 miles out of the way.
Why don't you park your car in a spot that you can get it on Saturday night? Did you think about that? Overnight? Yeah. I could do that.
Just find a garage. I mean, you just...
Then just walk to your car on Sunday morning. Or stay at Max's.
Super Bowl. Because Max's Super Bowl.
Super Bowl. What happened? Why did you say Super Bowl? Because the night before the Super Bowl, I stayed in Hank's extra bed.
Yeah. Super Bowl.
Because I was too drunk to get back to your room. Correct.
Which was down the hall? No. That was when I was there.
And you didn't sleep on the bed. You slept on the couch, even though there was an extra bed.
Yeah, that's true. And your puke shirt.
And my puke shirt. Yeah.
And the pants. The pants.
No, the pants you put on the next day. Yeah, I think the pants.
And you lost your phone. I did lose.
And one thing about you is that you could beat the fuck out of Hank. We don't have to talk about that loss.
We already talked about enough losses today. What loss was that if I looked at the tweet i have it right here do you want me to say yeah okay so this is fire fest 2022 phillies blow world series after 2-1 series lead also they got no hit in that world series yep uh 2023 the uh union lose in overtime the eagles blow second half lead in the super bowl that's what it was okay yeah that was the one yeah were they they were his hands and his fingers in his ears again what memes uh you could relive that on our youtube there's a vlog about it there's also a vlog coming out uh tonight or should be out right now about max recapping uh and rumble and rumble yeah okay memes thanks memes hank that's your only fire fest is that you don't know how to get here on sunday well i was i was also upset about you know everyone everyone hating on me and everyone saying i don't care and and and you know just all the hate online and then i watched the uh the nba starting five documentary current guest joe mazula uh was one of the talking heads on it wearing the Boston Barstool hat.
Love to see it. Best friend.

And they asked him about like Tatum dealing with hate and his response was very Missoula he was like you mean he gets to deal with it that's what you want you want to be in that situation where you're getting the hate you're on one of the best teams that's That's what's going to happen. Man in the arena.
He gets the privilege. And that gave me perspective.
I also would like to come to Hank's defense here. We've been doing this show for a very long time.
I think the beauty of this show is that we're not all the same. And PFT and I obviously are obsessed with football.
Hank maybe not obsessed with all things football. But that's the beauty of it.
We have a guy who maybe not obsessed with all things football. We have a dog in the booth.
We have a guy who's angry trying to actively do a mutiny, and we have a big baby that won't talk about his teams anymore. We're from all different.
Yeah, we're from just different. I'm talking.
I'm just saying that they're bad. We're just different.
We're different people. That's the beauty of the show.
Yeah. We can't all be the same.
That would suck. So, Max, what we can't have you do, we can't have you turn to Hank, where after a loss, you just don't talk.
That would be the worst. Oh, we already talked about it at the beginning.
That's true. I got things to say.
Oh. All right.
Good, good, good. Oh, no.
That sounded like a threat. I like it.
I just have thoughts. I like it.
I like Fiery Max. Okay.

Good at Fyre Fest, Hank. And I have your back.

Thanks. People just...
We're at the point... I actually think this is partially

the election coming up. I've

had this theory that just everyone... I don't know why

this thing's broken. I should stop playing with it.

Everyone just gets way more on edge

in an election year, but

we're at the point now where there are...

We have millions of people listening to this show, and 99.9 percent of them enjoy the show and then there's 0.01 that will find every little thing to hate or nitpick you just can't listen to them yeah but i want to be like i don't care what they say then i'm like wait that plays into the whole thing i'm not caring but i really just yeah what are we Meme just keeps asking if the mutiny is off. No, the mutiny is still on.
I love that we're having like a real moment here. And Meme just popped in.
It's been like, mutiny? No, mutiny is still on, dude. I fucking replied yes in the calendar.
I'm down to be mutiny off. I'm out of the mutiny.
But it's not about the mutiny. It's about showing Hank.
What did Pug say to the mutiny? Pug. Pug.
Pug? Looking it over. Still looking it over.
Pug. I don't know what I'm going to do.
I told him if he said yes, no computers. Pug, are you? Oh, this is why we got a mutiny.
The guy's fucking holding resources from me. I also could get...
It's just texting Pete. You could...
Yeah, I could text him. This is how we get the power.

I don't want to deal with it.

I don't care.

What about Shane?

Is Shane Hank in or Hank out?

All right, fine.

I'm going to change myself to a maybe on the meeting.

Shane's going to crack.

Shane's going to crack.

You're going to crack him?

No, no, no.

Hank's going to crack him.

All right, I'm updated.

I'm a maybe.

A maybe on the meeting.

I'm just not replying to it.

BS.

I never replied to any calendar invites.

We know.

Yeah. It's against my whole ethos.
Or they pop up on my phone. Yeah.
I don't need to reply to them. Hank, don't listen to the haters.
I don't. There's a very, very small percentage of people that hate everything about each and every one of us in this room, and we can't listen to it love everyone else they don't i even love the haters they're listening they just they want hank to be different you're being authentic to you which is not caring about anything but golf uh pretty pretty clean week but i did notice something earlier today that that affected me a little bit um i broke my nose when i was in college when i was playing a rugby game and i got it i got it fixed after it had started to heal i never got the entire surgery on it the doctor just basically put a rod up my nose and then punched it back into place as best that he could um but i think it's getting more broken as i get older you know how like people that get old, their face becomes more of whatever it was, like their features get more and more exaggerated? Yeah.
I think that my nose is slowly migrating over to the side of my face as I get older. Because I caught myself, if you wear a certain pair of sunglasses, it shows off the bridge of your nose more.
I think my nose is just moving to the side of my face as I get older shit you know who else had a fucked up nose who billy oh my god yeah no i'm not no don't say it don't put that evil out there uh but yeah i think my face is just gradually i'm becoming a picasso painting as i get as i get older i do miss billy's loud nose breathing when he would eat and it would be like an animal yeah he'd just be like yeah he sounded like uh what kenny g like plays the longest note ever on the saxophone that was billy when he was eating a sub uh so wait what are you gonna do or can you go get it fixed i don't know i don't know what i can do but i haven't i haven't like talked to a doctor about it since 2005 2006 i think i'm gonna go to a doctor by the way for physical. Okay.
Let me know. Yeah.
Also, I have high cholesterol because I had a physical. Yeah.
I got to do that. I got to do that.
I'm going to do that. I'm worried that they're going to be like, whoa, should have come in a while ago.
Yeah. That's kind of my big fear too.
So when I got the results back and then that was the weekend of a pop punk show. So we were eating dinner and I was like'm gonna do a salad and then frankie was like yeah i have high cholesterol i was like me too and then robbie was like i also have high we're the only punk band in america where we all have high cholesterol what's more punk rock than that nothing nothing getting um fuck lipids all right i got two fire fests uh one is uh it's from from both of my children one or two of the three of my children one is uh my daughter at school had to do a project what do what is your uh what does your dad do for work and her answer that was written down was plays around yeah it's fair she's smart oh that one is a little moment where i was like shit she's kind of right yeah nobody just plays around our job is recess it was like this whole thing i saw it was just you know you get doctors you get everything and it's just plays around that's what i do play around yeah uh and then um on tuesday i was taking my son to t-ball with my daughter as well.
And it was during the Mets-Phillies game. So we took a break walking to the field.
And I looked down at my phone while they were sitting on some steps taking a break to look at the Phillies score. And my son hit me so hard in the dick that it brought me to my knees to the point that a random passerby actually said, do you need me to call someone? Because I was on the ground, two little kids crying, like writhing in pain.
And it made me remind reminded me of when we used to dick, dick hit each other. And we should bring that back.
Yeah, that was fun. I'm ready.
I'm I'm I'm warmed warmed up i get hit in the dick like three times a week every week well blake does go after my balls sometimes still so i feel like i've developed calluses yeah those things but it was direct punch when i wasn't looking and it's hoof maybe you're maybe your son's gonna grow up to be like the next generation of jackass that would rock if he thinks that's funny already yeah. They didn't think it was funny because they saw me go.
I went instant to my knees. Then they started crying.
So maybe he's going to hate you. Because they were like, dad's hurt.
And then the fact that a random stranger with a stroller literally walked by and just like, do you need me to call? Someone's like, dude, who are you going to call? You call the cops on my son? Call the dick doctor. It was bad.
Max, you have a firefest? Yep. Last night.
Okay. Last night after the game, I took like an hour and just kind of, you know, dark room.
Just had to think about everything that just happened in that game and, you know, the future of Philadelphia sports. I feel like I know.
I feel like I know what he's going to say. I don't think you do.
I'll text it to Big Kid. I don't think you do.
Okay, hold on. Hold on.
Just hold on a sec. Just hold on a sec.
Go ahead. Keep going.
Just hold on a sec. So I didn't eat during the stream because I was nervous.
I know. Fat joke.
Oh, crazy. You must have been super nervous.
You weren't going to eat. Okay, yeah.
Keep going. Keep going.
And then I went to Kava and got a meal and sat down by myself in a corner, and a Mets fan came up to me and patted me on the back on his way out. And it was like, I assume it was an AWL.
I couldn't really hear what he said because I had two headphones in listening to music, but I just got like a, it'll be okay. And then he just walked away.
I have no idea what idea what he said oh he got there there by like by like a stoolie oh yeah that's tough we need that mets fan to show his face i want to i want to shake his hand good for that mets fan yeah that was nice that was really nice they could have rubbed it in yeah hank thought you would order taco bell to the wrong address which would have been you nope i that would, it was like, I need to go eat healthy. I need to, you know, change.
You did Kava. Yeah.
Kava's healthy. Not that.
I mean, just buy some new boxers. It's like the healthiest.
Every time I go to Kava, I just get like 17 orders of the pita chips. I got zero orders of pita chips.
Okay. All right.
So then it's healthy. Yeah.
You didn't get anything? No pita chips? Zero pita chips. Soda? No soda.
What'd you have for breakfast today? Any candy? Oh. No candy.
No candy? For breakfast, I did. I mean, I went and got a turkey bacon egg white breakfast sandwich on a bagel, but I got a bagel.
That's fine. Yeah.
How many sodas on the plate? Zero sodas. I had had water what do you have for lunch salad what are you gonna have for dinner what'd you listen to i don't know probably we're probably gonna eat like shit tonight so yeah good question was it techno probably i don't know i thought about listening to philly sports talk radio and then i was like i can't do this no that's what i've been listening to all week and what are.
What are they saying on Philly Sports Talk Radio? I mean, Philly Sports Talk Radio is crazy. The best was the guys calling in after Wheeler's start, after he threw 110 pitches through seven innings on Saturday, and the guys furious that they took him out in the eighth inning.
They wanted him to pitch 150 pitches. Yeah, why not? It's the playoffs.

If you don't – I mean, you go home if you don't – I would never let the manager take the ball out of my hand.

I would want the ball in my hand.

Max, I feel bad.

I hope you can bounce back.

Also, butt crack pictures are just always out.

Well, that was –

So your underwear is ripped.

That was a double whammy.

All right.

Numbers.

Three.

Five.

Come on, memes.

I'm pushing you to be great, memes.

69.

I'm pushing you to be great, memes.

99, pug.

PFTM memes.

You ever gotten this?

No.

No.

This would suck.

21.

What was your number, Max?

11. I think you're gonna get it.

Wait.

Is 11 A.J. Brown's number?

Oh-ho! He's starting to believe again.

25. 25.

25.