Skip Bayless In Studio, TNF, Playoff Baseball And Sad Max + Week 6 Picks and Preview

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Speaker 2 On today's Pardon My Take, we have Skip Bayless in studio.

Speaker 5 Crazy. Never thought we'd see the day.

Speaker 10 Skip.

Speaker 11 Skip Bayless on the show.

Speaker 13 Got to the bottom of a lot of stuff with him.

Speaker 14 We also learned a new phrase that we'll be taking with us.

Speaker 17 I'm not going to, I'm going to tease it.

Speaker 19 I'm not going to say it. I'm a different man after hearing it.

Speaker 20 I'm a different man after hearing it for sure.

Speaker 21 We're going to talk Thursday night football.

Speaker 23 We're going to talk playoff baseball.

Speaker 24 Our mx is back.

Speaker 26 is back.

Speaker 24 Merx.

Speaker 27 We got week six picks and preview.

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Speaker 32 The crown is yours.

Speaker 36 Today is Friday,

Speaker 39 October 11th, and the 49ers are back.

Speaker 9 They have won the must-win game in Seattle.

Speaker 34 Let's start with the 49ers.

Speaker 41 Brock Purdy's just good.

Speaker 19 Well, Brock Purdy has also never lost to the Seahawks. I believe he's now 5-0 against Seattle.
That's a great stat. Seattle turned into like little mini San Francisco tonight.

Speaker 19 A lot of red in the stands. Yeah.
49ers jerseys, and there were two 49ers' wives that were in the front row.

Speaker 32 Yeah, Kyle Ushek and Kyle Ushek's wife and George Kittle's wife.

Speaker 40 And they were able to, we had a double kittle and a Ushek touchdown.

Speaker 19 Yeah, we had double kittle, and they both did the Lambo leap into their wives' arms. It was awesome.
And then Ushek scored the fullback touchdown at the very end, which was awesome to see.

Speaker 19 And then he goes up, he does another leap to his kind of a simp move, jumping twice for your wife.

Speaker 40 Love it. Kyle loves his his wife.

Speaker 19 Jumps into her arms, and then he gave her a kiss through his face mask. Love that kid.
Which I've never seen before.

Speaker 17 That's like getting in a fight with a helmet on.

Speaker 41 Throwing a punch at someone with a face mask. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Same as kissing.

Speaker 44 Do you think anyone? Do you think you've ever done it

Speaker 19 with the helmet on? An NFL player.

Speaker 36 Yeah. Yeah, an NFL player, yes.

Speaker 24 Well, wearing that mask.

Speaker 45 Let's respect our friends.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah, NFL player.

Speaker 46 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 24 For sure.

Speaker 47 For sure.

Speaker 48 Absolutely.

Speaker 49 And Rodio Brown, for sure. For sure.

Speaker 50 For sure, for sure.

Speaker 8 Probably still to this day.

Speaker 22 Brock Purdy's just good.

Speaker 19 Yeah, he is.

Speaker 52 He has wheels.

Speaker 2 He's moving around. He's throwing guys open.

Speaker 19 Yeah, he's good. I just hope that Kyle doesn't start doing the thing where it's just all Brock Purdy all the time.

Speaker 52 Well,

Speaker 6 they had to because Jordan Mason obviously got hurt tonight.

Speaker 36 He was having a hell of a game. And

Speaker 28 yeah, I mean, the 49ers are good.

Speaker 2 I wasn't worried about the 49ers.

Speaker 14 I am worried about the Seahawks.

Speaker 54 I think their defense has problems.

Speaker 22 And it's got injuries, but it's also got problems.

Speaker 9 And it feels like three weeks in a row, we've just watched the same Seahawks game where they're down, and Geno is trying desperately to get them back in at that pick he threw that basically ended the game.

Speaker 59 That was tough.

Speaker 22 And yeah, it's just the Seahawks are just in this spot.

Speaker 9 If you just turn on the fourth quarter of a Seahawks game, they're down anywhere between five and 12 points, and Geno is desperately trying to get the ball down the field.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I think when we said that that was a statement loss that they had to the Lions on Monday Night Football, I think the statement was just like, I think we should quit on the season.

Speaker 19 They've looked like a completely different team the last couple weeks.

Speaker 8 Yeah, and again, they do have a bunch of injuries.

Speaker 41 I do love those uniforms, though. Whenever they put on these uniforms, I'm like, man, the Seahawks, this is so much fun.

Speaker 2 That's a uniform they should keep.

Speaker 59 They should just wear that all the time.

Speaker 9 Even changing the logo.

Speaker 41 I love when teams change the logo.

Speaker 40 I thought the best.

Speaker 19 The throwback was awesome. I love the old school Seahawks logo, but the old school Seahawks font is awesome, too.
It's like 1980s. You see that font, and you're like, I am in the 80s.

Speaker 19 That's Steve Largen out there.

Speaker 14 Yeah, so as much hand-wringing as there was about the 49ers start, they are on top of the NFC West.

Speaker 65 And

Speaker 19 maybe getting Christian back.

Speaker 6 Maybe getting Christian back.

Speaker 59 So what was the vague report?

Speaker 40 Let's go to our big matchup next week against the Chiefs, the 49ers.

Speaker 33 That's going to be fun.

Speaker 46 What are the walls saying?

Speaker 24 I don't know what the walls are saying.

Speaker 66 The walls said after week six, we'll probably know.

Speaker 66 But on the broadcast, they said that they talked to Kyle and they were hoping, you know, three or four weeks, maybe, but they're not sure.

Speaker 49 And that's what the walls, the walls are going to be.

Speaker 66 And with an injury like that with the calf, and he said they went out with a calf injury week 17 last week. You can, you know, figure out the calf and Achilles are close.

Speaker 66 You just never know with that.

Speaker 66 So it was a very vague, updated report of like they're hoping for four to five weeks, but anything could happen.

Speaker 49 So wait, I'm confused about that. Even retirement.

Speaker 19 Did the walls talk to Shanahan or did the walls talk to

Speaker 19 a different person?

Speaker 62 It's the original walls.

Speaker 66 The walls haven't changed anything from the original reporting. Correct.

Speaker 19 Was this walls in Tiananmen Square? No. During the protest.

Speaker 46 No. Okay.

Speaker 16 All right.

Speaker 33 The 49ers ran the ball fucking down their throat. I know that it's a little inflated from that last run by Garendo, but 6.9 yards per carry,

Speaker 41 228 yards is.

Speaker 67 That's bully ball.

Speaker 49 Yeah, it is, yeah.

Speaker 41 And Jordan Mason was going to, I mean, Jordan Mason was on pace.

Speaker 58 He had nine carries for 73 yards.

Speaker 19 The Niners got a lot of weird injuries again tonight, though. They had Jordan Mason with a shoulder.
George Kittle with a P.

Speaker 19 Shot it up at halftime, tried to play, played one play, I believe, and was like, nope, I shouldn't be playing football with whatever it is I have. And then what was Kittle?

Speaker 48 A P.

Speaker 19 Oh, he had to pee. Yeah, yeah.
To just piss your pants. Yeah.
Come on, George.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Debo, yeah, with the Stinger.

Speaker 19 Debo with the Stinger, shaking his hand out.

Speaker 17 And they lost some offensive linemen.

Speaker 19 And they also lost another kicker. And their kicker is the backup kicker.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was the kicker.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was the kicker, not the punter, yeah.

Speaker 19 Yeah, the kicker at the end. So now they got to go find another kicker again.

Speaker 41 Get Janikowski back out there.

Speaker 37 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 19 Get the big pole off.

Speaker 58 He could fucking kick. Yeah.

Speaker 69 He was the original I can kicker from anywhere guy.

Speaker 19 Get Doug Fluty doing some drop kicks out there.

Speaker 6 I'm trying to think,

Speaker 58 which team has a good kicker that's not playing well?

Speaker 13 I guess those kind of don't go go together.

Speaker 59 But, like,

Speaker 69 if the Cowboys lose, the Cowboys start losing, would they trade Aubrey for like a third-rounder?

Speaker 24 Dicker?

Speaker 72 Dicker the kicker.

Speaker 19 Get dicker up there.

Speaker 51 Get Dicker the kicker.

Speaker 12 That was enough football talk.

Speaker 63 We got more football talk coming up with NFL Week 6 picks and preview.

Speaker 12 Let's talk some playoff baseball.

Speaker 68 You know what? Let's talk about the other series first.

Speaker 59 The Yankees advance.

Speaker 61 So we have

Speaker 9 maybe we were the problem with New York City boys because Monday is shaping up to be an all-time city day in New York City.

Speaker 6 You got the Mets at 4 o'clock.

Speaker 75 You have the Yankees at 7 o'clock.

Speaker 60 And then you have the Jets playing the Bills, both New York City teams, kind of.

Speaker 55 New York State and then New Jersey playing at 8.15.

Speaker 76 It's the center of the world.

Speaker 46 Yeah, finally.

Speaker 77 Finally, ESPN.

Speaker 5 Finally, Stephen A.

Speaker 27 Smith can say who he's rooting for.

Speaker 19 Yeah, it's going to be fun, I guess, if you're a New Yorker for everybody else. We're going to be like, okay, enough New York.

Speaker 44 yeah but it hasn't happened in a while it has happened a while the liberty they're not playing right on monday i don't know if they're playing on monday um also i we we talked about uh pinstripes i think john carlo gets his pinstripes for this series alone he basically staved off the royals and was like nope it's not going to end now because he was uh he was awesome the last two games in kansas city and we also had the rare the rare oh liberty when is that game three wednesday sunday Sunday.

Speaker 23 We had the rare benches clearing conversation.

Speaker 12 That was cool.

Speaker 19 Oh, I didn't see that part.

Speaker 6 Yeah, they had a benches clearing conversation. I liked that.

Speaker 48 I liked it.

Speaker 10 They just talked.

Speaker 19 Did anybody come out of the dugouts?

Speaker 67 Yes. Okay.

Speaker 19 Did they sprint out of the dugouts?

Speaker 2 It was kind of like a...

Speaker 12 Did you say bullpen?

Speaker 19 Yeah, I meant to say bullpen. I don't think.

Speaker 43 I don't think the bullpen. I think it was the dugouts.

Speaker 59 So it was benches clearing

Speaker 22 conversation.

Speaker 80 It was a bang-bang play at second base, and then they just, were like, hey, that's wrong.

Speaker 17 And then another guy came out and said, hold on, wait a second.

Speaker 18 You don't say that to my teammate.

Speaker 2 You're wrong.

Speaker 24 And then they all just stood around and basically were just talked it out.

Speaker 24 Maxwell pulled off.

Speaker 52 It was very funny.

Speaker 43 I like the benches clearing conversation.

Speaker 2 Just everyone had to get in on the conversation.

Speaker 19 I mean, watch a lot of old school 80s baseball clips recently. It was a different sport at second base.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 9 it wasn't even like a

Speaker 9 dangerous play or anything.

Speaker 2 It was just kind of like, hey, guys, let's all come out and have a conversation real quick.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I think that guy even said, my bad.

Speaker 26 And the other guy's like, it's okay.

Speaker 60 Yeah, the bullpen came out. Oh, the bullpen.

Speaker 19 I love it when the bullpen catchers get up and sprint out onto the field.

Speaker 20 But they just sprinted to have more of a conversation.

Speaker 19 Then they sprint onto the field, then they stand at the back of the big crowd.

Speaker 11 There wasn't even really a shove thrown.

Speaker 34 Like, it was sometimes you'll get like chest to chest.

Speaker 36 Looking like our friend Jimmy Tatro when they have the fights in Real Bros.

Speaker 52 We didn't even really get that.

Speaker 78 Just a nice little conversation.

Speaker 19 Like somebody said the F word, and now it's like, okay, we all have to come out here and say the F word.

Speaker 23 And then the other two series, we have game five for both, which I'm very excited for.

Speaker 53 Padres, Hugh Darvish, going back to L.A.

Speaker 3 That's going to be a great game.

Speaker 61 Do we know who's starting for the Dodgers yet?

Speaker 66 It was not up earlier when I checked. I will check again.
It was not up.

Speaker 36 And then I am.

Speaker 32 I know college football Saturday is a loaded, loaded slate, and it's going to be great.

Speaker 18 I'm so excited for Scoobel to pitch game five.

Speaker 19 Yeah, that's going to be great.

Speaker 60 But that's his moment.

Speaker 19 With the Padres game, I like the new wrinkle that's been added to it because we talked about Ken Rosenthal's column where he called,

Speaker 19 let's see, what did he say? He was

Speaker 19 a dancing, strutting peacock when he was talking about Fernando Tatis.

Speaker 19 And then he said that jerks and profars, the kid that pulls a fire alarm and then acts like it's a joke. Again, that kid's awesome.
And then the Padres were like, well, guess what, Ken Rosenthal?

Speaker 19 We're not going to do weird bow tie interviews during the games. I love that.
So we've got a Big J versus MLB team beef going on right now. I love that.

Speaker 19 I'm also just excited to see the Padres go back to L.A. and piss everybody off.

Speaker 34 Yeah, and it's, we also have it, it happens every October, people being like,

Speaker 41 why are they drinking champagne after winning one series?

Speaker 25 I love the celebrations.

Speaker 41 I always am in for the celebrations.

Speaker 59 You need to drink after every single series.

Speaker 76 Yeah, I'm as-played 162 games.

Speaker 19 General rule of thumb, if you're allowed to get drunk at work, you should get drunk at work. Yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 51 Um,

Speaker 84 so two game fives.

Speaker 8 So excited to see Scoobel uh pitch because that's just like everything I expect and know from Scoobel.

Speaker 8 He's gonna, he's gonna, he's gonna fucking be a hoss.

Speaker 18 He's gonna be uh, give me the ball for the whole whole game.

Speaker 9 Uh, but that's gonna be great.

Speaker 41 Nothing better than a couple game fives.

Speaker 2 We also had the Phillies in the Mets series end.

Speaker 81 Um,

Speaker 4 Max is back,

Speaker 4 Max, do you have something for us?

Speaker 47 Phillies lost a game. They looked like shit.
It's the exact same thing that went on from 2009 to 2011 of the Phillies, and then they had 10 years of nothingness.

Speaker 47 So it looks like it's going to be a lot of the same.

Speaker 9 That team won a World Series.

Speaker 47 I said 2009 to 2011.

Speaker 46 I know, but that...

Speaker 47 They won a World Series in 2008.

Speaker 2 I know, but I'm saying that team had won a World Series.

Speaker 47 I said 2009. 2009, they went to the World Series.

Speaker 66 2009 team did not win a World Series.

Speaker 53 I'm saying that team had won a World Series. The guys on that team from 2009 to 2011 had won a World Series.

Speaker 47 Correct, but 2009, they went to the World Series, lost. 2010, they went to the NLCS, lost.
2011, they went to the NLDS lost.

Speaker 24 Right, but you see what I'm saying.

Speaker 47 But what I am saying, yes, it is the same thing.

Speaker 88 They had

Speaker 2 the 2009 to 2011 stretch, like they had done done something.

Speaker 79 They had earned something.

Speaker 87 Yeah.

Speaker 47 In 2008, they earned it something.

Speaker 56 Yeah, but that carries over.

Speaker 47 But that's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 47 What I'm saying is that it is just a downhill spiral.

Speaker 48 Got it.

Speaker 24 But with no World Series.

Speaker 19 Correct. Yeah, and what makes this even worse is the fact that at that first World Series, you thought to yourself, like, this team is built to win a World Series at some point.

Speaker 47 And the other weird part about it is 2011 was supposed to be the best team of them all, and then they had the best record. This is the best record of this little stretch.
It's the the same thing.

Speaker 47 The guys are getting older.

Speaker 9 And you didn't win a World Series.

Speaker 47 Didn't win a World Series.

Speaker 47 So many people just didn't show up. It's the same thing as last year.

Speaker 47 They can't carry over momentum from one game to the next.

Speaker 47 You got screwed. The bullpen is insane.
The bullpen

Speaker 47 was a top-five bullpen in baseball this year. All of a sudden, we get to the postseason.
They pretend like they don't know how to pitch. J.T.

Speaker 47 Realmuto doesn't have a single hit in the entire postseason. Trey Turner hits 200.

Speaker 47 Kyle Schwarber, after his first home run,

Speaker 47 he gets one bloop single. Other than that, nothing.

Speaker 24 What did you say? The bottom of the three.

Speaker 24 What did you say?

Speaker 23 What did you say after he hit that home run?

Speaker 47 You know what? I don't give a fuck. I don't take it back at all.

Speaker 24 I love that.

Speaker 48 You should.

Speaker 47 Like, if you're scared to

Speaker 47 be excited

Speaker 47 over a leadoff homer against the fucking Mets, I was the only person in that room. I was outnumbered

Speaker 47 and I tried to call my shot and I missed. I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 6 Max, yes, I'm 100% on your side.

Speaker 6 There's nothing worse than what's happened in this culture these days of the old takes exposed in the middle of a game because you're rooting for a team or rooting for a game and commenting it in the middle of a game.

Speaker 53 That's just what fans do.

Speaker 52 They root for their team.

Speaker 6 You shouldn't have to apologize for it.

Speaker 47 Yeah, no, I don't apologize.

Speaker 52 Did it go poorly after that?

Speaker 53 Yeah, but that shouldn't be an apology.

Speaker 47 Yeah, and it was like in the moment, it was like, holy shit, leadoff batter, bomb. We have our ace on the mound.

Speaker 37 We're not the brewers.

Speaker 19 Like, Brewers, mentally tough.

Speaker 47 And also, Brewers fans being like, oh, we fought the Mars. You did the same fucking thing that we did.
You're like, because I kept saying, like, we're not the Brewers.

Speaker 47 And they were like, yeah, you're not the Brewers. We at least gave them a harder fight.
Like, what the fuck does that mean?

Speaker 52 You lost, we lost.

Speaker 1 Also, you know what you say to Brewers fans?

Speaker 61 We at least won a World Series in 2008.

Speaker 24 Facts. Yeah.

Speaker 47 And we would have beat the shit out of the Brewers.

Speaker 93 Yeah, you would have.

Speaker 2 That's the worst part.

Speaker 47 And the Mets are too fucking good.

Speaker 46 The Mets are really fucking good.

Speaker 34 They are a team of destiny.

Speaker 47 And I've said it, and I'll say it again.

Speaker 47 The only thing that I'm rooting for in this baseball season is Mets, Yankees, and the Yankees that beat the absolute fuck out of the Mets.

Speaker 47 Because that's the only way that Mets fans will be upset at the end of this run.

Speaker 66 Would you rather a sweep or a loss in game seven? You want sweet.

Speaker 49 I want sweet.

Speaker 59 You want sweet.

Speaker 66 I want them to be like reminded of game seven be maximated maximum pain.

Speaker 47 No, because then they'll be they can build off of that.

Speaker 48 Bet it.

Speaker 9 Bet Yankees sweep Mets.

Speaker 24 Those are probably crazy odds because

Speaker 47 then it won't.

Speaker 47 Yankees fans should be upset that this is what I want to happen because

Speaker 24 it won't.

Speaker 24 That's a good point.

Speaker 73 You don't get the things you want to happen to happen.

Speaker 19 Max, you had a tweet yesterday, last night after it was over. You said, I may have to quit this company.
I keep thinking I can't have worse losses on stream, and then they just keep happening.

Speaker 28 Yeah, so like the Mets factor of it was like they're just and they just get every clutch hit, but you're not you're not quitting.

Speaker 24 And oh my god, if that's where that foul ball happened to happen,

Speaker 47 if that foul ball happened to I had every Mets fan, you can see the strike zone in today's baseball watching experience. They show you where the strike zone is.

Speaker 47 They still complain about pitches that are outside of that strike zone being called balls. I was fighting with them the entire week, and I was like,

Speaker 47 it's outside of the zone. You can see the zone.
Mets fans suck. You guys fucking suck.

Speaker 95 All right, so you just turned to memes when you said that.

Speaker 18 You did block memes on Twitter last week.

Speaker 47 He was doing too many memes, and I was in a bad spot last week.

Speaker 24 I was in a bad spot.

Speaker 47 I was looking at too many memes.

Speaker 19 I appreciate the fact that you blocked him not because he was tweeting at you, not because he was tagging you.

Speaker 19 You just didn't want to see his memes on the timeline.

Speaker 72 I'm with you on all of this, Max.

Speaker 47 I unblocked him in the morning.

Speaker 47 Last night I was.

Speaker 47 It's good we're talking about this now. Last night, I was in a very bad

Speaker 47 story.

Speaker 5 Yes, getting a little bit of time is good. And you,

Speaker 67 in that moment, it's the worst.

Speaker 34 I was like, yes, you should block him.

Speaker 9 He's memesing too much.

Speaker 19 He was doing a lot of memes.

Speaker 19 Wait, memes, did you follow him back after he unblocked you because when you block someone you don't follow them anymore uh i don't think so but i'll go do it right now that's nice see this is a good this good peace treaty yeah i like this a lot so max you were not quite back

Speaker 89 correct looking at you when i said you guys fucking suck you were actually very respectful during this during this whole run yeah quitting or not uh not quitting i'm not quitting

Speaker 47 i never said that i was quitting i said i may i may have and then every philly fan in my replies are just like please quit quit, please quit, please quit.

Speaker 82 Oh, that's mean.

Speaker 1 Max, we love you.

Speaker 56 We missed you.

Speaker 99 I felt bad for you.

Speaker 59 I really did.

Speaker 28 Do you want to address

Speaker 6 the butt crack, not just the butt crack,

Speaker 71 the torn underwear?

Speaker 47 Those are like, it was like a $5 pair of underwear. It was like an old pair of underwear I thought would bring good luck.

Speaker 34 Okay, so can we put that clip into the

Speaker 96 can we put that clip?

Speaker 24 No, we pull that clip on the I was actually so pissed off about that.

Speaker 72 Yeah, what?

Speaker 24 No, we're not putting it in it.

Speaker 52 Why?

Speaker 47 Because YouTube.

Speaker 24 No. No.

Speaker 24 We'll put it in the Rumble.

Speaker 4 No, come on. Show us the clip.

Speaker 76 Pull it up. No, no.

Speaker 47 Why?

Speaker 47 There's zero chance I would.

Speaker 24 Memes, can you pull it up?

Speaker 66 Nope.

Speaker 98 I didn't even know there was a picture of his ripped underwear.

Speaker 60 Yeah.

Speaker 19 So what is it about this underwear that's... It's not ripped.

Speaker 66 There's just a massive hole.

Speaker 97 Max, come on. Do people want to see it this time?

Speaker 24 Everyone has

Speaker 47 old fucking underwear. Max, no one else is fat that you get to fucking see it when you stand up.

Speaker 19 But why is it your lucky underwear?

Speaker 47 I don't know. It's just that honestly happened.

Speaker 24 What lucky has happened? Go pull it up.

Speaker 34 Go pull it up. The people have to see it.

Speaker 72 No.

Speaker 53 Max, it's for the AWS.

Speaker 61 It's not for you.

Speaker 93 It's bigger than you.

Speaker 47 No.

Speaker 47 There's no chance.

Speaker 47 I was so pissed off that our own accounts were fucking tweeting that last night. I went through so much fucking shit in that room.

Speaker 24 That's been there. Wait, wait, wait, wait, what? What?

Speaker 100 Max, that's why you were there.

Speaker 47 For my fucking asshole?

Speaker 24 What?

Speaker 49 Max, I mean, you understand?

Speaker 46 That's where you're drawing the line. If

Speaker 19 you're on a live stream and you're getting mad and your underwear pops out and you got a hole in it, do you think people are not going to clip that?

Speaker 47 There's so much other shit that was going on in there.

Speaker 46 I got fucking smoked in the head by a fucking ass by another asshole and more people were talking about my fucking butt crack.

Speaker 47 Yeah, shot, holy shit, let's fucking sound the alarm that I have a fucking ass crack that comes out.

Speaker 24 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 24 I'll have tears in my eyes.

Speaker 26 It was partially the ass, partially the rip in the underwear.

Speaker 93 It was the rip in the underwear.

Speaker 24 I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 93 Every single person has old underwear that they wear.

Speaker 97 It was also the face that you had right

Speaker 20 before you hit the camera out of Duke's hand.

Speaker 88 The face

Speaker 24 was talking about the fucking ass.

Speaker 24 Come on.

Speaker 28 The face that you had, it was just like pure

Speaker 1 things you see.

Speaker 8 It was like a road rage video.

Speaker 19 I also love the idea of Big J's listening to this podcast to see what Skip Bayless is. And they're sitting through Max screaming at the moment.

Speaker 24 Fucking ass clerk.

Speaker 73 All right, I gotta watch the video just so I can remind myself.

Speaker 63 Oh my God, I love you so much, Max.

Speaker 19 Max, I'm very upset because I didn't see any of the overalls.

Speaker 19 You had lucky overalls. You had brand new overalls.

Speaker 47 Yeah, no, I thought about it a lot, and I just kept going back to remembering how I felt in the old overalls. And I was like,

Speaker 47 I can't have this again. I can't have this.

Speaker 48 Like,

Speaker 47 it was such bad vibes the first time. Why would I rewind the bad vibes?

Speaker 66 Better or worse vibes than you felt seeing everybody talking about your asshole.

Speaker 97 Can I just, can we watch the video? No,

Speaker 46 I want to watch the video.

Speaker 48 That's great.

Speaker 47 You can watch it right there.

Speaker 63 I'm watching it. I'm watching it too.

Speaker 5 The face that he does is just the best face.

Speaker 53 I want to get it framed.

Speaker 19 And you're sitting in baby mode on the ground.

Speaker 24 The fucking camera out of my face.

Speaker 19 Did you damage that camera?

Speaker 24 It was Duke's.

Speaker 47 It was Duke's phone, and I apologize to him right after.

Speaker 47 Like, when I get...

Speaker 47 People who think that this shit's an act, it's just, it fucking

Speaker 24 happens. It's not an act.

Speaker 26 And it was a fair ball.

Speaker 52 It was. You were right.
True.

Speaker 53 You were right on that.

Speaker 66 Like, it was a justified explosion.

Speaker 24 I can't.

Speaker 12 Oh, my God.

Speaker 86 All right, so, Max, where do we go from here?

Speaker 24 You got it,

Speaker 24 you got it.

Speaker 52 New underwear would be a good first chance.

Speaker 19 I mean, kind of the whole point of wearing overalls is that they go overall,

Speaker 48 Including your ones.

Speaker 44 We have to move on from this.

Speaker 34 Did you break the chair?

Speaker 47 No, I just

Speaker 60 slammed it.

Speaker 17 Did you know in the moment that your butt crack was out?

Speaker 24 I will not be addressing that.

Speaker 24 They were done with butt crack questions.

Speaker 19 Max, do you know what phase the moon was in last night?

Speaker 102 I love that we were...

Speaker 26 planning on like organically.

Speaker 20 We're going to talk about it.

Speaker 83 We knew that Max was going to get upset at some point.

Speaker 5 I thought it was going to be just about the Phillies' feeble effort.

Speaker 53 Little did we know it was about his ass crack.

Speaker 24 He didn't think he was going to have to address the ass crack.

Speaker 19 Listen, Max has the headphones off right now, so I will say

Speaker 24 Max isn't.

Speaker 24 I think he's

Speaker 19 100% correct.

Speaker 24 What?

Speaker 19 I think he's right about the future of the Phillies.

Speaker 49 Yeah, no, no, he's right.

Speaker 43 And they don't have a World Series.

Speaker 19 Yeah, this feels like it's, you know,

Speaker 19 we can try to turn the page on this chapter of the Phillies right now.

Speaker 59 Oh, and I'm going to play the video for.

Speaker 59 I covered it again.

Speaker 59 Yeah!

Speaker 46 Fuck crack.

Speaker 24 The fucking bullshit of the camera kidding.

Speaker 10 Memes.

Speaker 93 I can watch that end of that video.

Speaker 68 I'll say this, Max.

Speaker 12 The ass crack was not the highlight of the video.

Speaker 93 The highlight of the video, I know.

Speaker 32 I'm just going to say it to him, though, anyway.

Speaker 8 The highlight of the video was your face and the fucking bullshit.

Speaker 19 Memes, how happy are you?

Speaker 56 Yeah, memes, congrats.

Speaker 19 I'm excited.

Speaker 98 This is one of those runs.

Speaker 97 What is he doing right now?

Speaker 98 He is on Twitter.

Speaker 44 I saw a picture of the Rizzler.

Speaker 24 Okay.

Speaker 24 The timeline claims.

Speaker 53 He's taking a timeout.

Speaker 97 All right, he's back. He's coming back.

Speaker 37 He's back.

Speaker 98 This makes all the shitty years of watching worth it, this type of run.

Speaker 98 It happened in 2015. It's kind of happening now.

Speaker 98 Just every time you take the route, they just...

Speaker 97 Something special happens. I know people don't want.

Speaker 17 Like, it's hard from a national perspective to root for the Mets or be like, oh, I'm happy for the Mets.

Speaker 9 I am happy for the Mets.

Speaker 28 Mets fans are tortured.

Speaker 22 Oh, no. He's taking it off again.

Speaker 46 Yeah, no, I.

Speaker 53 Would you rather be talking about Mets fans being tortured or the ass crack Max?

Speaker 47 What is he looking at now? Continue. Okay.

Speaker 52 They are.

Speaker 31 They're a tortured fan base.

Speaker 78 So it's fun to see them have this run.

Speaker 9 And it seems like there's just something about playoff baseball.

Speaker 56 They have just every big hit, every big out.

Speaker 39 They got some magic going on. Something's going on.

Speaker 19 There's definitely some magic going on. Grimace.

Speaker 61 Talk to him. You got Grimace.

Speaker 19 And also, shout out to all the fans that show up to baseball games wearing the full-on Grimace outfits. I know they're the knockoff Grimace outfits.
I don't think that they're actually McDonald's.

Speaker 19 I think they're like Party City Grimaces. That's got to be a very inconvenient way to watch a baseball game through those mascot eyes.
But they're doing it. They've got Grimace.

Speaker 19 They've got the song. Memes, how's that song go?

Speaker 98 Oh, my God. We had the Gay Mets, too.

Speaker 19 What's that?

Speaker 98 We just didn't lose in June.

Speaker 19 Oh, the Gay Mets. Okay.
The Gay Mets, yeah.

Speaker 24 Got it. Fake.

Speaker 98 The Gay Met Mets, OMG Mets, Seymour Weiner.

Speaker 19 He was at opening day. The Gay Met?

Speaker 46 Yeah.

Speaker 98 And Jorge Lopez happened this year when he threw his glove into the stand and said, I'm on the worst team in the league.

Speaker 24 Yep.

Speaker 98 And they were 22 and 35 at that point, and then turned the season around at that point.

Speaker 49 It's

Speaker 19 kind of crazy because, like, Steve Cohen, the owner,

Speaker 19 this team isn't really, does he have his fingerprints all over it, or is it kind of like just magic in a bottle where the team got forced into this weird set of circumstances where this is your starting light now, and they all kind of caught fire at the same time?

Speaker 98 I will say they all caught fire at the same time because there's a lot of expiring contracts on the Steam. It was kind of glued together.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 98 And half of our salary is down in Texas with the Rangers.

Speaker 49 Yeah. Yeah, that was the case.
Yeah, that was the end of the sense. Okay.

Speaker 39 We all work on periods. Yep.

Speaker 34 Max, let's finish it before we get to Piction Preview.

Speaker 8 It's going to get better.

Speaker 5 We love you.

Speaker 53 It's going to get better.

Speaker 88 It's going to get better.

Speaker 47 Yeah, whatever.

Speaker 19 Hank, tell tell them it's going to get better.

Speaker 88 It's going to get better.

Speaker 87 It's going to get better.

Speaker 39 But how mad are you at Hank right now, Max?

Speaker 24 I was ruined for the Phillies.

Speaker 66 I actually.

Speaker 66 I don't give a fuck who you're at.

Speaker 46 For a fair.

Speaker 66 As you shouldn't.

Speaker 2 So is that very mad at Hank?

Speaker 47 No, I just.

Speaker 47 Let's get to picks and previews.

Speaker 11 Yeah, let's get to pick some previews. All right.

Speaker 50 And we got to skip Bayless after picks and previews.

Speaker 69 All-time pardon my take episode.

Speaker 41 Let's kick it to ourselves.

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Speaker 2 Okay, boys, week six of the NFL.

Speaker 60 We're ready to go.

Speaker 12 I feel good. We have

Speaker 3 a good even slate of the early game.

Speaker 73 Obviously, Bears, Jaguars, and we're going, then we have six, I believe, then four, then one.

Speaker 19 We also have a good slate of buys this weekend. I like it when it's very evenly split between good teams and bad teams in the bye week.

Speaker 19 So this week we've got the Chiefs on a bye, Rams on a bye, Dolphins on a bye, and the Vikings on a bye.

Speaker 19 The Rams won the bye week.

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 19 They're the bye week winners.

Speaker 56 The Chiefs, I mean, the Chiefs.

Speaker 60 You just keep forgetting the Chiefs.

Speaker 19 You never count out Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 78 5-0 and just rolling.

Speaker 19 If the Royals somehow do some work during the bye week, then I will say that Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs have won the bye week.

Speaker 19 But yeah, the Rams needed this bye.

Speaker 70 Getting healthy. They did big time.

Speaker 53 All right, so let's get into this.

Speaker 19 We need to buy from the Dolphins, too.

Speaker 70 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 73 That would be fine if they just didn't come come back.

Speaker 26 Yeah, we didn't buy.

Speaker 19 How long would it take you to notice?

Speaker 5 It would be at least a week.

Speaker 19 I think I could go a week. I think maybe when Tua comes back.

Speaker 6 There are certain teams that go on the bye and I forget that they exist.

Speaker 103 That happened with the Titans and the Chargers this week.

Speaker 19 You have to remember the Titans.

Speaker 22 The Titans. You got to remember the Titans.
But yeah, if the Dolphins didn't play next week either, I don't think I would fully realize it for another week.

Speaker 18 Yeah. And then I'd be like, oh, shit.

Speaker 74 Because they're just, it's not even like a, you can't even make the fantasy argument because all those guys stink now without Tua.

Speaker 19 Yeah, so this is, I think this is good bye week.

Speaker 12 Yeah, good bye week.

Speaker 82 Okay, let's get it going.

Speaker 5 Jaguars at Bears in London.

Speaker 54 The Jaguars, hopefully everyone's okay from Hurricane Milton, have some, I think they were delayed by a little bit.

Speaker 59 So they usually go Thursday.

Speaker 2 Bears went on Monday.

Speaker 42 I think the Jaguars ended up going on or are going to go later on Thursday.

Speaker 19 This is a must-win for the Bears. I would say so.
Yeah.

Speaker 19 This is the meat of your schedule, right?

Speaker 11 This is the, you got to make some hay time.

Speaker 19 You got to dive into that meat right now.

Speaker 32 I do think the Bears defense will give Trevor Lawrence some issues.

Speaker 2 I also, I don't know if you guys agree with this, but there's something about, like, there's teams when the urgency,

Speaker 86 when they haven't won a football game, the urgency gets really high.

Speaker 18 They win the game.

Speaker 78 Doug Peterson said it himself.

Speaker 50 There's a weight off our shoulders.

Speaker 60 Now I'm in. Yeah, I think.
Go against you.

Speaker 19 Doug Peterson is, he's like black and white when it comes to lying and telling the truth. Yeah.
I think anything that Doug Peterson says before a game that week is a lie.

Speaker 19 Everything that he says after the game is usually the truth.

Speaker 49 Yes.

Speaker 19 Yes. And so this week.

Speaker 18 Except for, again, the good conversations.

Speaker 19 Good conversations.

Speaker 39 Both before and after games.

Speaker 19 Well, maybe it was a good conversation, the fact that they had a conversation. Yeah.
And it's important to communicate with people.

Speaker 106 That's true.

Speaker 19 So this week, I think he's lying about Tank Bigsby. Okay.
Because Tank Bigsby has outperformed Atien at running back, and they're asking him, Well, are you going to give more carries?

Speaker 19 He's like, No, he just had a good game. Like, that's how this league works.
You don't just give a guy more carries because they had a good game. That actually is usually how football works.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 19 If your hand plays well, then you give him more carries. So I have a feeling that he's lying about that.

Speaker 59 I am a little nervous about Tank Bigsby and Etienne because if there's one thing the Bears' defense could get a little better on is run defense at times, but I must win.

Speaker 43 Caleb's looked better and better.

Speaker 70 Must win.

Speaker 60 Can't lose the Jaguars. Can't lose it.

Speaker 73 Let the Jaguars win their game next week.

Speaker 14 I have a stat for you, PFT, from Bet Labs that's really good.

Speaker 74 Speaking of the weight off your shoulders after a win, and when you get deeper into the season and you're winless,

Speaker 73 so teams in week six or later coming off their first straight-up win of the season are 45 and 82 straight up.

Speaker 78 So 35% in their next game.

Speaker 78 This is obviously a two-point line.

Speaker 78 So, yeah, they could cover and lose straight straight up, but there's something to be said behind the feeling of, oh, we won one, we can have a sigh of relief, we're okay.

Speaker 19 Also, because a team that waits that long to get their first one usually isn't that great. No, definitely not.

Speaker 23 Definitely not.

Speaker 110 So, I and I don't think the Jaguars are very good, and I would be a very sad boy if the Bears lose this game because, again, it's a must-win.

Speaker 19 It is a must-win.

Speaker 19 You have to stack your wins now. Yeah.
So,

Speaker 24 yeah.

Speaker 19 I remember that first game that I went to here in Chicago. You remember that? We went to the Bears Jaguars game, and it was rainy.
It was shitty.

Speaker 34 You were in a wheelchair.

Speaker 8 We did a preview of the game in a port-a-potty.

Speaker 19 I think we were vaping in the port-a-potty. Yep.
A hot box to port-a-potty with Uncle Chaps. That might have been one of the worst NFL games ever to go to.
That was a pretty tough one.

Speaker 19 I would put that one right up there with that Jets Broncos game that we saw earlier this year. Yes.

Speaker 66 People will ask me, like, oh, have you ever been to a game at Soldier? And I tell them that story. I'm like, yeah, it makes me never want to go back.

Speaker 19 If we had the worst seats,

Speaker 19 that I think we intentionally made it the worst experience.

Speaker 52 Yeah, we did.

Speaker 23 We were doing that as like kind of a bit, but like it was two not good teams.

Speaker 36 And yeah, you were in a wheelchair.

Speaker 19 I was in a wheelchair at the time, yeah.

Speaker 2 That was because we had gone to the NLCS the night before and you walked and further broke your foot.

Speaker 19 My foot got more broken. Well, and then they dug into it and they didn't discover a fracture once they did the surgery.

Speaker 22 But it was pretty much broken.

Speaker 19 It was pretty much broken. It was basically a broken foot.
But yeah, I think I agree with Big Cat. This is a must-win week for the Bears.

Speaker 12 Jaguars defense is bad, too.

Speaker 19 Their offensive line didn't look bad last week, though. They looked good last week, in fact.
The Jaguars. Yeah.

Speaker 37 They have some guys.

Speaker 19 They got some guys. And also, Trayvon Walker, the most forgotten number one overall pick of all time, he had a big week last week, too.
So their defensive line can get at it.

Speaker 19 But again, I like the Bears this weekend. I'm with you on that one.
There was a little bit of an update to the Tom Brady acquisition story from the Bears. Okay.
The McCasky family confirmed it.

Speaker 19 They're like, yeah, we were in the beginning stages of a conversation. Got it.
We wanted to be in the conversation for Tom Brady.

Speaker 19 But do you remember what the outcome of that, of not getting Tom Brady was? You guys got Nick Foles. Yes.
Also Jaguars Legend. Yes.

Speaker 60 Nick Foles.

Speaker 73 And Andy Dalton later.

Speaker 65 And yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 19 It all worked out. A lot of dominoes.

Speaker 67 It all worked out.

Speaker 45 It all worked out.

Speaker 23 Okay, going into the regular slate.

Speaker 2 Cardinals,

Speaker 60 by the way, just as an aside, I hate having your team play in the London game.

Speaker 62 Because not only is it like because the usually the 8:30 game, I will, I'll watch on my phone, half watch, trying to spend some time with the family.

Speaker 46 Like, I'm aware of what's going on, but I'm not like fully, fully glued in because I know that it's a long Sunday if I'm let.

Speaker 99 Obviously, this one I'm fully glued in, and this is a complete, like the risk of losing this game and then having to just sit there

Speaker 90 all day.

Speaker 73 It's similar to playing the first game on Thursday of March Madness.

Speaker 43 If you lose that, it's so disastrous.

Speaker 32 If you win it,

Speaker 52 it's free football for the rest of the day.

Speaker 19 It's a great day, yeah.

Speaker 53 But I don't like, I don't like having that.

Speaker 19 If you lose it, you might also people might just forget about that over the course of the day.

Speaker 72 Yeah, but it just sticks in the back of your head and you're like, God damn it, how we lose that game.

Speaker 62 So you've got to win this game.

Speaker 19 You know, last Sunday, I think it was statistically the longest NFL day ever because the London game and then the rain delay at the night game. Yeah.

Speaker 19 So it was the longest day of NFL football we've ever had. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 51 Okay.

Speaker 106 Cardinals and Packers.

Speaker 44 Cardinals off a win.

Speaker 47 Packers,

Speaker 60 they're good.

Speaker 1 Jordan Love, is he fully healthy? Here's what I think will happen in this game.

Speaker 104 I think the Packers are going to win.

Speaker 54 I think they're going to win semi-easy.

Speaker 22 And I think it's going to be because Jordan Love has gotten healthier and is going to stop being in shotgun every single possession, every single snap.

Speaker 70 Okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 50 Because he's good to play action.

Speaker 22 And I think that's the last step of the Packers' offense coming back.

Speaker 61 And they also, you saw it on Sunday.

Speaker 65 They were getting the tight end involved.

Speaker 24 They're going to run the ball.

Speaker 2 I just, the Cardinals' defense is,

Speaker 70 they played great in the second half against the 49ers, but I just like a team that comes off a huge, huge win, has to travel.

Speaker 22 I'm going to go against that team.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I think Jordan loves getting better. He got better over the course of the last game, actually.

Speaker 105 He's been doing that in every game.

Speaker 67 Yeah, so he did it.

Speaker 28 The first time, first game he came back, it was three bad quarters, one good quarter.

Speaker 108 This time, it was two bad quarters, two good quarters.

Speaker 73 So you'd assume just one bad quarter this this time.

Speaker 19 Yeah, so he they went down 14 to 7 after that hilarious interception. Yep, that like slapstick interception, and then he completed 12 of his next 13 passes right after that.

Speaker 34 And Dobbs, I believe, is back, which that was a weird situation.

Speaker 19 Yeah, so what's going on with Dobbs? Dobbs, from my understanding, he skipped practice, which that fucking rocks in the NFL to just skip practice.

Speaker 19 Yeah, that's something straight out of high school where you're like, I don't feel like it, or my buddies are going to go smoke by the steps, so I'm just not going to go to practice.

Speaker 19 It's like a very high school thing to just be like,

Speaker 19 you know what? Fuck it. Yeah, I'm not going to play.
I'm not going to work.

Speaker 1 I don't know what's going on because it feels like there might be something mental health.

Speaker 39 I don't know because they had to go check on him to make sure everything was okay.

Speaker 60 And then

Speaker 39 he got suspended for one game

Speaker 75 by the team.

Speaker 6 So maybe he's back and okay.

Speaker 43 I don't know.

Speaker 84 And Christian Watson, possibly.

Speaker 12 I thought I saw...

Speaker 19 I saw Christian Watson saying something good about Dobbs. No, I'm saying...

Speaker 12 We're glad to have him back.

Speaker 113 Christian Watson might play.

Speaker 42 Oh, yeah, he did.

Speaker 25 Christian Watson came to his defense and Christian Watson returned to practice.

Speaker 114 Okay.

Speaker 62 So the Packers could be getting a lot healthier, better.

Speaker 88 I think you're going to get,

Speaker 19 barring the weather, a Packers' offensive explosion.

Speaker 19 Because I feel like you're the same way as I am about this type of stuff, but has there ever been a game that you've watched between two teams and then that game stays in your memory for so long that it affects how you see all the other matchups?

Speaker 108 You're talking about the shootout?

Speaker 19 I'm talking about the shootout. The shootout.
So I'm expecting a lot of points in this game because of that playoff shootout. Was it

Speaker 19 Kurt Warner against Ron Rodgers? Yeah. And that was one of the coolest games that I've ever watched.
It was just points, points, points.

Speaker 65 Yeah, it was like 49, 48 or something.

Speaker 54 I don't even know what the final score was.

Speaker 19 When I see these two uniforms on the field at the same time, I just, my brain goes back to that game and I expect there to be a lot of points.

Speaker 24 Wait, not that one.

Speaker 32 Wait, was it 26-20?

Speaker 19 Why did my oh, I think they played the playoffs, right?

Speaker 19 There's a playoff game between the Packers.

Speaker 46 Oh, yeah, 51-45.

Speaker 76 There it is.

Speaker 19 There it is. 51-45.

Speaker 23 Yeah, that was the shootout game.

Speaker 74 That was the crazy game.

Speaker 19 Yeah, so I see these colors on the field at the same time. I agree.
And I'm like, okay, it's going to be points factory. Yeah.

Speaker 115 I'm trying to think if there's any others that I can think of off the top of my head.

Speaker 5 Oh, I guess Chiefs Rams.

Speaker 19 Yeah, from that Monday night? Yeah. That one's a good one.
That was a great one. Chiefs Rams.
I mean, Jags Titans, but I'm always right about that one.

Speaker 23 Bengals Bills for a different reason.

Speaker 110 Yep. I just expect someone to

Speaker 69 need CPR.

Speaker 63 In my head, it does

Speaker 12 for tomorrow.

Speaker 69 That's just a fact.

Speaker 41 Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 74 I didn't think about it, but you're right.

Speaker 24 You're right.

Speaker 19 Points. And it's not this weekend, but it's next that Call of Duty comes out, right? Yeah.
And Kyler, I mean, credit to Kyler for doing a Call of Duty commercial, for doing an advertising.

Speaker 60 Got to lean into it. You got to lean into it.

Speaker 62 Got to lean into it.

Speaker 79 Okay.

Speaker 22 Next up, Commanders at Ravens, PFT.

Speaker 59 Yes. This is a very big game.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 116 This is a measuring stick game.

Speaker 19 I like that. I like measuring stick.
I've seen people saying passing of the torch game.

Speaker 62 No, I think it's a measuring stick.

Speaker 68 It's a measuring stick.

Speaker 108 It could be a passing of the torch game in retrospect, but I think going into it, like, it could be.

Speaker 43 We could look five years from now and be like, that was a passing of the torch game.

Speaker 75 I think going into it, it has to be measuring stick.

Speaker 19 Yeah, so passing people are talking about passing the torch. Is this the week that Lamar Jackson finally surpasses Jaden Daniels as the better scrambling scrambling and passing quarterback?

Speaker 19 I think it's too early to say that.

Speaker 19 I like the measuring stick game.

Speaker 19 I'm still dealing with my PTSD, my post-traumatic Snyder disorder, where I still feel like going into every single week, this is the week that it all falls apart.

Speaker 19 I do think that the Ravens offense is

Speaker 19 the best in the league. Our defense,

Speaker 19 I don't think that what we saw for the last two weeks can be expected to be the defense that we're going to see moving forward, but I don't think we're going to be as bad as we were in week one.

Speaker 19 And I'll be okay with that. Like, this is a game, this is a potential statement loss for the Commanders this weekend.

Speaker 108 It's an interesting game because the Commanders, as great as Jaden Daniels has been, and he's been great, a lot of their offense working has been the run game being so effective, and the Ravens

Speaker 18 run defense is very, very good.

Speaker 17 So it's like, this could be a game where Jaden Daniels has to do a little more, and I think he will.

Speaker 2 I also think this is a good spot, though, PFT, because you have Ravens off of Sunday night football, big win against the Bills, overtime,

Speaker 78 77 snaps for the offense last week for the Ravens,

Speaker 39 and then you get them in a noon game. I don't know.
I think it's a good spot.

Speaker 37 Now,

Speaker 19 if we win this game,

Speaker 24 I

Speaker 19 will say all the reckless things that I've been thinking about that I have somehow stopped myself from saying. Absolutely.

Speaker 19 I will be the happiest boy that I've ever been in my entire life if we win this game. And I think it's a possibility.
I think we could win this game.

Speaker 19 I don't think it's likely, but I think if the Ravens play a lot of zone defense, that's when Jaden has his games when he's like 90% completion rate. Against Mann, he's a little bit less of that.

Speaker 19 But yeah, we'll see what the Ravens defense does. I had a dumb thought about this game.
Okay. And I texted our friend Chris Long because Chris played on the defensive line in the NFL for a long time.

Speaker 19 He hasn't gotten back to me because I just had the thought and I texted him. I was like, is this really dumb for me to say this or not? Maybe you guys can tell me.
Our pass rush is not good.

Speaker 19 Our defensive ends, not great. Our defensive tackles, very good for the commanders.
Is it maybe sneaky a good thing that our pass rush on the end sucks against Lamar?

Speaker 19 Because you naturally keep contained because you're not good enough to get downfield and turn that corner?

Speaker 69 I think you'd probably want better guys, though.

Speaker 19 No, it might be better to have worse guys.

Speaker 73 Yeah, I don't hate the thought.

Speaker 52 I don't hate the thought.

Speaker 19 This is like 3D chess, 5D chess levels of rationalization that I have right now.

Speaker 1 They're so slow, they can't physically give up contain.

Speaker 18 Exactly.

Speaker 67 That's right.

Speaker 24 Yeah, no, I don't hate what I'm saying.

Speaker 19 It's like if you have a really slow player on your hockey team, it's like, well, he's too slow to ever be off sides. Yeah.

Speaker 67 Yeah. I don't hate that.

Speaker 115 We should mention, because we have to mention Lamar Jackson is 21 and 1 straight up against the NFC.

Speaker 49 Yeah.

Speaker 19 Which is crazy.

Speaker 106 11-11 against spread.

Speaker 68 So don't be afraid to

Speaker 55 take the spread and the commanders in the spread.

Speaker 40 I think I will.

Speaker 106 But that should be mentioned.

Speaker 12 Also, fun fact, a couple fun facts for you in this game.

Speaker 40 Sunday's game will tie the record for most Heisman Trophy winners on the field at the same time.

Speaker 6 So we got Jaden.

Speaker 19 Yep. Marcus Mariota, he might not be on the field, though.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, he's on the sideline. He'd be on the sideline.

Speaker 19 Lamar? Yep. Derrick Henry? Yep.

Speaker 52 There it is. Four.
Four.

Speaker 54 So the other time it happened was the Raiders and Bills in 1998 had Tim Brown, Desmond Howard, Charles Woodson, and Doug Fluti.

Speaker 24 Wow. Yeah, kind of cool.

Speaker 19 And I'd really like to draft Travis Hunter next year.

Speaker 24 Yeah. Oh, Travis Hunter.

Speaker 12 He's playing this week, and he should be the Heisman.

Speaker 12 Another fun fact: Dean Pease is back.

Speaker 19 He is back. One of my favorite names in the United States.

Speaker 70 Ever. Dean Pease.
Dean Pease.

Speaker 19 P-E-E-S. Dean Pease.

Speaker 78 So he's a special assistant to defensive coordinator Zach Orr for the Ravens.

Speaker 3 Dean Pease is back.

Speaker 37 Yep.

Speaker 19 Dean Pease. We don't know much.
In the name. But he's back in an advisory role.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 116 The guy's named Dean Pease.

Speaker 19 His name literally translates to Dean Pease.

Speaker 24 Dean Pease.

Speaker 67 Yeah.

Speaker 40 He looks like a football guy.

Speaker 86 He looks like a football lifer. He's from Ohio.

Speaker 19 Dean Pease. Well, credit to the Ravens because their defense hasn't looked as good as they did with Mike McDonald.

Speaker 61 I agreed.

Speaker 59 I do think Joe Burrow's playing.

Speaker 8 Well, the Ravens' secondary has not been great.

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 59 Their run defense has been great.

Speaker 43 I think Joe Burrow has been on that, like, he's been on fire.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Because they did look good against the Bills.

Speaker 70 That's true. They did shut down the Bills.

Speaker 19 That's true. They also got off to a nice early lead against him.
Yeah.

Speaker 19 Because have you ever been addicted to watching hype videos?

Speaker 57 All the time.

Speaker 19 This is the first I've ever been addicted to. Oh, my God.
I've been watching all the time. I've been watching all of them.
I think that's how I learned about 90% of my new music catalog. Yeah.

Speaker 19 It's just via watching hype videos. Yeah.
Oh, my God. These hype videos,

Speaker 19 it's better than porn. Yeah.

Speaker 24 Hype videos are really the best.

Speaker 19 I also had another question about this game this week here for you.

Speaker 19 The report came out yesterday that Jaden Daniels gets into the facility at 4 a.m.

Speaker 19 every morning.

Speaker 26 Is that too early?

Speaker 47 I think every quarterback does this.

Speaker 76 No, that's too early.

Speaker 24 It's not necessary.

Speaker 26 Every 4 a.m.

Speaker 47 There is a story that comes up that's like, this guy is the first one in. He gets in so early.

Speaker 19 I like this.

Speaker 47 You should be getting in that early.

Speaker 47 If that is your job.

Speaker 19 I like Max doing that. 4 a.m.

Speaker 47 4 a.m. Fine.

Speaker 106 All right. Fun fact off that.

Speaker 73 So I don't know what time every quarterback gets in.

Speaker 61 It does feel like too early.

Speaker 18 5 a.m.

Speaker 86 feels more appropriate.

Speaker 110 Did you know that our coworker and trying to be college football expert, Brandon Walker, who lives almost in Wisconsin, do you know that he sometimes, like this morning, got here at 6.30 in the morning to beat the traffic?

Speaker 19 Yeah. He just paces around.

Speaker 78 Yeah, no, I know he paces, but he is now so obsessed with traffic that he wants to get in here in 55 minutes flat that he leaves at 5.30 in the morning.

Speaker 19 I don't blame him much. That's crazy.
I would think about doing that, too, just to avoid traffic, because there's always some asshole.

Speaker 19 And he doesn't have to be here till there's always some asshole that's broken down on the highway

Speaker 19 and jamming you up. True, true.

Speaker 24 That's like a...

Speaker 66 I mean, he's an older guy. That is like a dad move.

Speaker 33 He said he went to sleep at 7 last night, so I guess that makes sense.

Speaker 14 But still,

Speaker 21 that's too early.

Speaker 19 Update on the El Camino that broke down traffic, caused a massive traffic jam. It was not out of gas.

Speaker 85 Thank God.

Speaker 19 It was almost out of gas. Okay.
So I'm not that big of an asshole.

Speaker 24 Okay.

Speaker 75 By the way, this is the best start.

Speaker 45 Lamar just going to get fixed.

Speaker 19 Yeah, it's in the process of getting fixed. It's getting fixed.
It'll be fine.

Speaker 110 Do you want to tell them how many miles per gallon?

Speaker 19 Yeah, so I did find out how many miles per gallon it gets because as they were checking it out, it did run out of gas as they were running it at the garage.

Speaker 19 It gets actually somewhere between four and five miles per gallon. That's pretty good.
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 That's pretty damn good.

Speaker 19 In your face, Greta Thurnberg.

Speaker 39 How many gallon tank is it?

Speaker 19 12? No, I think it's like

Speaker 19 15 or 16.

Speaker 24 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 87 So.

Speaker 69 Yeah, you can drive for like an hour.

Speaker 24 Yeah, a few days.

Speaker 19 I will not be taking that on the highway again.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 43 By the way, this is by

Speaker 75 advanced metrics.

Speaker 57 Lamar Jackson, who has two MVPs, this is the best he has started a season week one through five, which is pretty crazy.

Speaker 19 Yeah, scary.

Speaker 22 It is scary because he's been fat.

Speaker 61 Insane.

Speaker 82 Okay, Colts at Titans.

Speaker 69 Forgot about the Titans.

Speaker 24 I love the Titans in this game.

Speaker 19 You do? Because Anthony Richardson is coming back?

Speaker 73 I don't know if...

Speaker 67 I love the Titans if Joe Flacco plays.

Speaker 19 I love, love, love the Titans if Anthony Richardson plays.

Speaker 65 I think the Titans are the snake-bitten team of the year, and snake-bitten mostly means Will Levis turnovers.

Speaker 67 But they are...

Speaker 97 They've been in every game, right?

Speaker 88 Like, they should have beaten the Bears.

Speaker 8 They should have beaten the Jets.

Speaker 53 Who was their,

Speaker 67 who else did they play?

Speaker 61 They beat the Dolphins.

Speaker 52 What was their

Speaker 90 other game?

Speaker 47 They play the Colts.

Speaker 39 No, they haven't played the Colts yet.

Speaker 12 Packers. Okay, that was Malik Willis.

Speaker 24 That was the first week Willis.

Speaker 51 Yeah,

Speaker 39 I think Will Levis is going to have a good game.

Speaker 69 There it is.

Speaker 13 That's my hot take.

Speaker 63 I think Will Levis is not going to turn the ball over.

Speaker 75 I think their defense is really good. They're off a bye, maybe fix some things.

Speaker 61 And I also think the Colts' defense is like, remember how last week I said the Colts' defense were the get-right for Trevor Lawrence?

Speaker 22 I think they're just the get-right for everyone.

Speaker 19 It could be. That could be.
So do you think that Will Levis watching Mason Rudolph go in there and run the offense somewhat competently, that lit a little fire under his ass? Inspiration.

Speaker 19 It might be a fire under the ass game for Will Levis. Yeah.

Speaker 22 I just, I don't know. Maybe this one is way off, but I

Speaker 22 really, really like the Titans this game.

Speaker 39 I like teams any team off a bye I like.

Speaker 22 I don't know. It's just something about it.

Speaker 67 It's like, oh, they're off a bye.

Speaker 24 They got a little rest. They feel good.

Speaker 39 They worked on some things.

Speaker 19 I don't know what to think until I know who's starting this game for the Colts. Yeah.

Speaker 19 I can't go against it. Just Flacco.

Speaker 12 Yeah, Flacco. Yeah, no, that's fair.

Speaker 19 Flacco to me is an automatic over.

Speaker 5 But the Titans' defense is good.

Speaker 40 Yeah. That's the thing.

Speaker 62 I think they'll be able to handle either.

Speaker 50 I would prefer it be Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 45 I'd like my bet more.

Speaker 24 But

Speaker 13 yeah, that's kind of where I'm at.

Speaker 19 What's the line on this game right now?

Speaker 6 Two and a half on DraftKings.

Speaker 26 Is that right, Hank?

Speaker 12 Hank, you be our line expert. got it be our line expert

Speaker 66 what do you got three colts are plus oh he's gone to three okay minus one eighteen is that maybe anthony richardson being called the starter because i think he would i think

Speaker 104 which would be crazy but i i think he's the only one who would be named starter and that would go against that would go against him yeah the line would would not be in the game.

Speaker 69 Let me look up if Anthony Richardson is playing.

Speaker 6 Again, they're stuck in that spot where I don't think anyone in the world thinks that Anthony Richardson right now is better than Joe Flacco, but you have to play it.

Speaker 19 What I saw is that he's been practicing more.

Speaker 19 He's been doing more in practice this week. Oh,

Speaker 33 here's a headline that I'll read.

Speaker 108 Well, it's paywalled. Nobody's lying about Colts.

Speaker 80 It's QB Anthony Richardson, but nobody's telling full truth.

Speaker 19 Is that a lie?

Speaker 43 I don't know. I can't read the whole thing.

Speaker 19 In a court of law.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 19 The whole truth. They make you say the whole truth.
The whole truth. That sounds like it might be a lie.

Speaker 18 And Jonathan Taylor, I don't know if he's playing or not.

Speaker 72 But yeah, I like the Titans in this game.

Speaker 46 I do.

Speaker 60 I do.

Speaker 75 It's probably stupid.

Speaker 38 You know what?

Speaker 50 This will be my... This will be my...

Speaker 59 I'm quitting the Titans if they lose this game.

Speaker 78 Bet. I'm not taking the Titans.
It is my last

Speaker 12 line in the sand.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I mean, off a bye. Off a bye.
Off a buy

Speaker 19 if they can't compete against the Colts off a bye. I think that's fair to abandon them.

Speaker 19 Do you ever write teams off for the entire season? Yeah. I do sometimes.

Speaker 2 They'll still come back somehow.

Speaker 19 And then I feel bad because usually those teams that I write off, they end up coming back and winning.

Speaker 42 Yes, yes.

Speaker 77 Okay, Hank, you ready?

Speaker 35 Texans and Patriots.

Speaker 12 It's May Day.

Speaker 70 Hank, is there anything you'd like to address?

Speaker 55 In terms of no, I'm your excitement for Drake Bay.

Speaker 66 I'm nervous for this game.

Speaker 66 I'm not going to say I'm excited because I just, I still, I've thought about it. I slept on it.

Speaker 59 You know, you guys told me I I should be excited I'm excited to see him in the in the throwback jerseys I'm just nervous I'm not excited I'm nervous okay can I make you a little feel a little bit better sure Nico Collins is out Nico Collins is very important to the Texans offense okay that the the Texans offense has felt at times like we're in trouble hit Nico Collins I actually think in a weird way this is going to help the Texans going forward for the rest of the season because they're going to have to learn how to play without Nico tank tell yeah but he's like they're going to have to learn how to survive without Nico.

Speaker 73 There was a mutiny, Hank, for Drake May.

Speaker 52 Was there?

Speaker 65 The mutiny worked.

Speaker 56 The Patriots will have maximum effort in this game because

Speaker 77 you have to have maximum effort after a mutiny.

Speaker 120 If you incredible was his mutiny.

Speaker 66 I saw one report with the word mutiny in it, and that wasn't that legitimate. Do you know this show?

Speaker 8 That's legitimate.

Speaker 8 That's as source as it gets.

Speaker 62 Hank, if you do a mutiny for a guy and then you get the guy to start, everyone's got to be like, hey, we got to step up because we did a mutiny for him.

Speaker 19 Yeah, it's your guy that you've installed.

Speaker 47 I just pulled up, I just looked up Patriots Mutiny.

Speaker 52 There's a multitude of articles.

Speaker 24 Multitude of articles.

Speaker 37 If you look at Patriots Mutiny,

Speaker 47 Jared Mayer responds to Mutiny.

Speaker 48 Yep.

Speaker 47 Patriots,

Speaker 24 we won't read that one.

Speaker 19 Well, it sounds like it's about, it's all, these articles are in response to that one article that said there was a mutiny that but they're all yeah now they're all

Speaker 24 talking about it yep

Speaker 5 there's smoke there's fire good point good point max but you want you want you want there to have been a mutiny hank because now the mutiny worked and now they're going to play hard for him

Speaker 66 you got some skin in the game in other words the reporter who said that he got a little carried away with locker room comments on patriots podcast earlier today

Speaker 49 a little carried away a little not all the way carried away a touch of mutiny yeah they dialed like mutiny.

Speaker 5 You should be rooting for the mutiny, though, because the mutiny, like, I would understand.

Speaker 59 Who wants their team to have a mutiny?

Speaker 24 Listen to me.

Speaker 74 Listen to me.

Speaker 19 You ever seen Captain Phillips? Yeah. They took over that mutiny.

Speaker 26 Look at me.

Speaker 46 I'm the captain now.

Speaker 24 I'm the captain.

Speaker 19 I'm the Drake May. I'm the captain now.

Speaker 74 Hank, you don't want a mutiny unless the mutiny works.

Speaker 3 If it was still in state of mutiny, you'd be like, fuck this. This is bad mutiny.

Speaker 12 But it worked.

Speaker 77 They got the mutiny done.

Speaker 52 The mutiny's

Speaker 66 And what's the end goal of this mutiny?

Speaker 24 Drake May starts.

Speaker 48 It's fine. It's fine.
What do you mean?

Speaker 19 The end goal was we need Drake May to play because he gives us the best chance to win.

Speaker 19 He gives me as a hypothetical wide receiver the best chance to get more stats. Dude, think about it.

Speaker 70 Like, we've talked about it before.

Speaker 105 Post-ski, post-shovel, post-or like, you know, post-game winning, you know, drive, tailgate beer, post-mutiny beer is up there.

Speaker 12 Like, the boys are pumped after a mutiny that worked.

Speaker 19 A successful one. Yeah.

Speaker 43 Not a mutiny that's still going on, a mutiny that worked.

Speaker 66 I'm pretty sure it was Devin McCordy that said it, but when the news came out, he said, I wish we had let Houston wait till Sunday to figure this out.

Speaker 2 That would have probably been smart, but you also had a mutiny on your hands, so you kind of had to deal with it.

Speaker 66 I would have been a lot more excited if it was like Sunday, 11:30, and it's like Drake May starting. Yeah, and I would have been fired up.
You get the pop, yeah.

Speaker 19 But it's better. The alternative is that the mutiny doesn't work.
It gets quelled. It gets put down.
That's way worse. And then you're never drinking a beer again.
Right.

Speaker 19 And then the season's over at that point. Locker room lost.

Speaker 61 I do think Dre, I think the offensive line will be better.

Speaker 19 Because Drake May, he can run.

Speaker 107 And he can pass.

Speaker 5 Two things that Jacoby Brissette couldn't do, which are very important parts of playing quarterback.

Speaker 19 I would say pros for Jacoby Brissette,

Speaker 19 he's better at getting hit. He's better at getting tackled and getting back up again.
Pros for Drake May, at playing quarterback.

Speaker 66 Who are you going to bet on this game?

Speaker 32 The Patriots, plus seven.

Speaker 116 You have a one-game chance to ride the mutiny.

Speaker 13 You have to take it.

Speaker 66 It's minus six and a half right now. You don't.

Speaker 70 I want to do a mutiny on him now so he can see how fucking great it is.

Speaker 61 I have.

Speaker 66 It's minus six and a half.

Speaker 112 Memes, Max.

Speaker 73 You guys got to do a mutiny on Hank.

Speaker 22 Just show him what it's like.

Speaker 47 Against Hank?

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 24 Mutiny is.

Speaker 66 Yeah, memes has a manifesto.

Speaker 61 memes has like a 25 page manifesto right and okay so that is a perfect example in these terms memes is actively trying to mutiny you right he hasn't been successful what is he a grumpy guy if he was mutant if he mutinied you he would be happy that's a bad example that's not a bad example When you're actively in a mutiny, you can't be happy because you're like, fuck, I'm thinking about this.

Speaker 66 I just can't see memes as a happy guy.

Speaker 37 Okay, but hypothetically.

Speaker 67 Maybe he would if you disappeared.

Speaker 19 I don't know if one man can do a mutiny. I feel like one man is a lone wolf, right?

Speaker 19 But if somehow he got Max on his side and Pug and Shane and me and Big Cat and we mutinied you, we got you out of there, do you think that the vibes would be higher?

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 52 I think we need to mutiny him just to show him.

Speaker 19 I'm not saying your absence would cause a mutiny. I'm saying that in this situation where we all hate you, hypothetically, then we get you out,

Speaker 19 then we'll be happy, hypothetically. This is hypothetical.
So hypothetically, it sounds like that Drake May is going to give a little spark to the locker room.

Speaker 66 Yeah, I'm excited to see what happens.

Speaker 48 I'm nervous.

Speaker 19 Are we still calling it May Day?

Speaker 66 Sunday will be May Day.

Speaker 19 That's May Day. But again, May Day, not a great term.

Speaker 66 May Day for the Texans. May Day for the Day for the Feight.

Speaker 26 May Day for the Texans.

Speaker 19 I did look up the origins of May Day because I was like, why do pilots say May Day when they're about to crash? It's actually from, it's a French pilot term because they would say

Speaker 19 A D, Ed sound, it's a French term for help, so it's just saying help me. May Day.
Mayday. And then then everyone's like, oh, they're saying Mayday.

Speaker 19 So, fun fact.

Speaker 19 Pardon my French.

Speaker 47 Memes just texted our production chat saying we're starting a mutiny.

Speaker 87 Yes.

Speaker 84 And when this is successful,

Speaker 55 we're basically just going to do an experiment on you. And then

Speaker 78 when they get the mutiny done, you're going to see the vibes. They're crazy.

Speaker 67 You got to ride the mutiny bag.

Speaker 66 I just got Pug and Shane computers. There's no way they're mutinizing against me.

Speaker 41 Oh, shit.

Speaker 66 Good luck, memes.

Speaker 19 You bought them computers?

Speaker 24 Kind of.

Speaker 18 You told Pete to buy him computers.

Speaker 66 Something like that.

Speaker 119 You stole them computers?

Speaker 19 Little Cam Newton.

Speaker 91 All right.

Speaker 60 Be excited, Hank.

Speaker 56 And Eagle Collins is hurt. He's really good.

Speaker 66 I also know we weren't here last year for it. I don't know how I'm going to get to the office because of the marathon.

Speaker 60 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 46 You were in trouble.

Speaker 66 I looked it up today.

Speaker 76 Yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 40 You are.

Speaker 66 It's impossible.

Speaker 33 Yeah, you're in trouble.

Speaker 19 You might just sleep here on Saturday.

Speaker 45 You're going to have to just run the marathon.

Speaker 47 I have a guest room, Hank.

Speaker 24 I do too.

Speaker 87 Super Bowl.

Speaker 49 You can stay over.

Speaker 49 Super Bowl.

Speaker 19 Super Bowl. It sounds like Max might be in this mutiny.
He's like, stay over at my house. It'll be fine.

Speaker 47 And then kill him? Yeah, then kill him.

Speaker 19 And kill him. Mimes is like, yeah.

Speaker 70 Bucks, Saints.

Speaker 115 Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 49 Rattler, baby.

Speaker 37 Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 19 So I was thinking about Saints quarterbacks, and I couldn't remember, with the exception of Ian Book, the last time that the Saints had a rookie quarterback that they had starting for him.

Speaker 19 I looked it up and it goes all the way back to 97 with Danny Werfel. Oh.
So the Saints are just one of those teams that doesn't ever start rookie quarterbacks ever. Yeah.

Speaker 19 Mostly because they had Drew Brees for a long time and then now Derek Carr. But

Speaker 19 that Ian Book game,

Speaker 19 that was because of COVID. I think they had both their backup quarterbacks with some Monday night even.

Speaker 19 That was ugly. But yeah, Spencer Rattler.
I'm excited to watch Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 111 I think the Saints are alive in this game.

Speaker 117 I think the Saints are live in this game.

Speaker 27 I think everyone's going to say Spencer Rattler stinks.

Speaker 78 Hammer the Bucks.

Speaker 28 Here's the thing with Derek Carr.

Speaker 35 Nice guy.

Speaker 76 Recurring guest.

Speaker 59 First two weeks looked awesome.

Speaker 33 If you saw him Monday night, it felt like he was going back to Derek Carr where it was dump off, dump off, dump off, moonshot pass.

Speaker 55 Maybe Clint Kubiak has, maybe he can mold Spencer Rattler in his own image.

Speaker 19 Is he going to be in the sidelines for Spencer Rattler?

Speaker 46 I think he will be.

Speaker 19 Up in the booth.

Speaker 60 I just think, I think three and a half is a lot for a division game.

Speaker 88 And you know Mike Evans will get kicked out at some point.

Speaker 94 He loves fighting.

Speaker 73 At some point, he's going to be out of this game.

Speaker 19 But that was usually

Speaker 19 has something to do with CeeDee Deuce.

Speaker 62 I think Lattimore, too. Lattimore, yeah.

Speaker 19 Mike Evans always gets into a fight against the Saints. Yeah.

Speaker 70 So

Speaker 40 do you guys like the Bucs here?

Speaker 66 I like the Saints. I don't, Igbo, a kid we work with here, has been saying

Speaker 66 don't overthink Spencer Rattler, rookie of the year, offensive rookie of the year.

Speaker 24 Oh, wow.

Speaker 19 That's a great way to put it.

Speaker 43 Don't overthink that. Don't overthink that.

Speaker 19 All right, wait.

Speaker 73 All right, yeah, I'm done thinking about it.

Speaker 46 Yeah.

Speaker 19 If you don't think about it at all, it's a great bet.

Speaker 66 So I'm going to bet the Saints this week with that in mind. Because

Speaker 66 if there's any way he does it, he has to start hot.

Speaker 87 Yep.

Speaker 91 Yeah.

Speaker 73 Here's another thing to just throw in there.

Speaker 56 Just a thought starter.

Speaker 62 Saints' defense is still good, right?

Speaker 90 The Bucs won a game against the Commanders, not a great defense.

Speaker 111 Won a game against the Lions, not a great defense.

Speaker 22 Won a game against the Eagles, not a great defense.

Speaker 25 Scored seven points against the Broncos.

Speaker 58 Very good defense.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 55 Are the Saints closer to the Broncos or closer to the Commanders, Eagles, and Lions?

Speaker 23 I would say they're probably closer to the Broncos in terms of defense.

Speaker 70 Just a thought starter.

Speaker 19 It's a good thought starter. When you put this all together, it ultimately is going to come down to whether or not Spencer Rattler is good.
Yeah.

Speaker 19 Of course. We don't know.

Speaker 53 Of course. But it also is, it's just one of those games that

Speaker 22 my dumb brain said, hey, this is going to be the easiest thing ever.

Speaker 39 I'm going to take the Bucs.

Speaker 111 And then I paused and said, hold on a second, idiot.

Speaker 110 You've been doing this a long time. You've been losing a long time.
Maybe it's not that easy.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I don't hate the Saints at all because you want to be on the right side of calling Spencer Rattler being good. Correct.

Speaker 24 Correct.

Speaker 116 Okay, Browns and Eagles.

Speaker 4 Max, what are the vibes?

Speaker 43 Do you want to do Phillies right now?

Speaker 72 We did it already.

Speaker 47 I've already done it.

Speaker 43 Okay, so what are the vibes for the Eagles?

Speaker 62 Let's focus on just the Eagles.

Speaker 46 Brown's money line.

Speaker 49 Why would you say that, Max?

Speaker 19 The Browns are bad.

Speaker 62 The Eagles are bad. Lane Johnson's back.

Speaker 21 Devontae Smith's back.

Speaker 105 That's not true. A.J.
Brown's back.

Speaker 82 What do you mean?

Speaker 47 They haven't confirmed that.

Speaker 105 What about A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith?

Speaker 47 I heard they were. The vibe in that stadium is going to be horrendous.

Speaker 19 Not if they win.

Speaker 47 The vibe in that stadium, they're going to get booed within one incompletion. That stadium is going to erupt in booze.

Speaker 26 That's what Philly.

Speaker 66 That's what Philly does.

Speaker 19 Yeah, Max Wood is an ESPN segment where you're like, oh, no, Philly's booing too early.

Speaker 47 No, no, it's just that no one expects anything out of this Eagles team.

Speaker 47 The Browns are going to win.

Speaker 19 Also,

Speaker 19 Philadelphia's sports culture right now.

Speaker 19 I think that the Eagles are going to catch some residual anger from Philly fans.

Speaker 47 Why would you say that?

Speaker 46 Well, because they're doing right now. Huh?

Speaker 47 That's what I'm doing right now. Yeah,

Speaker 19 you guys are on edge right now.

Speaker 47 Yeah,

Speaker 47 but they also suck.

Speaker 52 Do they suck? Yeah.

Speaker 26 With Lane Johnson, who, by the way, as of four hours ago, Eagles Lane Johnson to play versus Browns post-concussion.

Speaker 47 I've been on a plane.

Speaker 72 Okay.

Speaker 19 You guys also have a pretty winnable couple games coming up. So if you look at the the Eagles' schedule right now, they've got the Browns this week.
They've got the Giants next week.

Speaker 19 Then they've got the Bengals. Then they've got the Jaguars.

Speaker 26 Okay. So if they're healthy,

Speaker 19 if the Eagles are healthy, the Eagles are not out of it.

Speaker 70 Here's another thing for you, Max.

Speaker 22 According to Sports Info Solutions, they have great stats.

Speaker 73 The Browns run a majority of single high safety.

Speaker 14 Guess who dominates single high safety?

Speaker 46 Why don't you tell me AJ Brown?

Speaker 53 AJ Brown's gonna feast in this game.

Speaker 24 All the overs.

Speaker 47 Come on, Max. I'll be taking the unders.

Speaker 62 Cooper Dejean is gonna play

Speaker 78 in place of Avante Maddox.

Speaker 62 That's got to get the Eagles fans going.

Speaker 4 Come on.

Speaker 24 Sure.

Speaker 57 Did you guys see Deshaun Watson said that

Speaker 31 when talking about his benching in his bad places? I don't hear it.

Speaker 59 Yeah. I don't see it.

Speaker 63 I'm not on Twitter.

Speaker 80 I'm not on any social media or things like that.

Speaker 15 So anytime that stuff comes up, the only time I hear it is either you guys are bringing it up or somebody else outside the building.

Speaker 22 I just don't know who it's coming from.

Speaker 73 I'm going to give it to you. Everyone, Deshaun.

Speaker 19 I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he's probably heard a few fans that have said it at games.

Speaker 65 There's no way he has not heard a single thing because everyone is saying it.

Speaker 19 If he hasn't heard a single thing, then that would actually make me more concerned for Deshaun because that means that he's just, he's got this attitude all the time, even though he doesn't know that people want to bench.

Speaker 18 He would basically be Jimmy Carter.

Speaker 54 He's just not waking up some days.

Speaker 46 Yeah.

Speaker 19 This this is it's concerning that I don't believe him for the record. I don't think that I think that Deshaun Watson walks around knowing that he shouldn't be starting right now.

Speaker 19 I actually did the math on some of this. Tell me if this is the craziest thing.
Okay. If you're a Browns fan.
Granted, this weekend you're playing in Philly, but you've got home games coming up.

Speaker 19 You're paying Deshaun, I believe, like 47 mil

Speaker 19 right over the course of this season. And I don't think it's going to be 47 mil every year, but I think it was 47 million this year.

Speaker 19 If you do the math on it and you do the capacity at the Browns Stadium, I think it's 65,000 people go to those games.

Speaker 19 If they just all agreed to not buy any beer at the games, if there was $0 in concession sales at the games,

Speaker 19 that comes out to about,

Speaker 19 I believe that's $40 million a year.

Speaker 41 But you can't ask Browns fans to do that.

Speaker 19 Sneak your shit in. I'm saying, like, yeah, I'm not saying don't drink at a Browns game.

Speaker 39 Because they got to watch Sheshawn Watson.

Speaker 19 Imagine going to a Browns game sober. Yeah, no one's going to do that.

Speaker 6 That's actually Guantanamo.

Speaker 19 But be creative. Sneak your beer in.
Sneak your liquor in.

Speaker 35 No concessions whatsoever.

Speaker 19 No concessions. Go on a concession strike.

Speaker 9 I like that.

Speaker 19 Because a lot of the season tickets have already been sold for a lot of the fans, so you can't go on a strike because then, you know, you paid for them. You want to go watch the games.

Speaker 19 Just sneak your beer in.

Speaker 19 Sneak liquor in. Bring plastic flasks.

Speaker 83 Why don't we start with something easy?

Speaker 117 Let's go like no popcorn.

Speaker 19 No popcorn.

Speaker 39 No nachos.

Speaker 76 You got to let them get drunk. Yeah.

Speaker 19 You got got to, but I'm saying, sneak your shit in.

Speaker 49 Yeah.

Speaker 110 Because they can't watch Deshaun Watson sober.

Speaker 19 That's torture. You can do a plastic flask that you fill up from home, duct tape it to your body under your shirt.

Speaker 10 I like the idea.

Speaker 60 Cleveland can do it.

Speaker 19 If any city can pull it off, I'm pretty sure it's the Browns. Yeah.

Speaker 80 Come on, Max. You guys are going to win this game.

Speaker 1 When you win this game, we'd be happy.

Speaker 47 Nope.

Speaker 24 Oh.

Speaker 47 I refuse to get excited about any Philly sports teams for the rest of my life.

Speaker 19 You got to to care, dude. That's not true.

Speaker 66 You got to care.

Speaker 19 I saw a tweet. Are you thinking about abandoning the city or just not rooting for any team?

Speaker 39 Windows are closed.

Speaker 47 Rebuild. Rebuild every team.
You know, I was telling this to memes.

Speaker 47 The next team that wins a championship in Philadelphia will be the Flyers. Because I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 35 Last 24 months for being a Philly fan. Phillies blow.

Speaker 69 This is actually...

Speaker 22 When did you start producing this show?

Speaker 47 That would be two months before the beginning of this tweet.

Speaker 41 Okay, so you started two months before this.

Speaker 50 Phillies blow World Series after 2-1 Series lead.

Speaker 35 Eagles blow second half in Super Bowl. Sixers blow game six, game seven to Celtics.
Phillies blow game six, game seven in NLCS.

Speaker 115 Eagles start 10-1's crash and burn.

Speaker 27 Sixers lose the Knicks in first round.

Speaker 35 Phillies lose to Mets in NLDS.

Speaker 19 Also, don't forget: the Union lost the MLS Cup in overtime. And they were winning, I think, in the 89th minute, and the Philadelphia Water Dogs finished second.

Speaker 24 They stink.

Speaker 66 Which one of those was the worst, Max?

Speaker 35 Do you want me to read them again just so you know? No.

Speaker 50 Phillies blow World Series after 2-1 Series lead in 2023.

Speaker 35 Eagles blow second half lead in Super Bowl. Sixers blow game six, game seven in Celtics.
Phillies blow game six, game seven in NLCS.

Speaker 115 Eagles start 10 and one,

Speaker 35 crash and burn.

Speaker 111 And Sixers lose to Knicks first round.

Speaker 35 Phillies lose to Mets in NLDS.

Speaker 47 I think it's this one.

Speaker 47 There's no hope. There's no hope.
The windows closed for every team.

Speaker 81 Okay. Close them up.

Speaker 47 There's like, at least the last one, we were like, at least we got the Phillies. There's nothing that I can say right now.
Like, Sixers and B'de. No.

Speaker 24 Oh,

Speaker 24 what about playoff B? Dead.

Speaker 113 You haven't even seen Yabu.

Speaker 19 You haven't seen this new Sixers. You got Yabu.

Speaker 19 Okay. Max, what if you win the next four games?

Speaker 47 I'm not. Nope.

Speaker 72 I don't believe you.

Speaker 8 I don't believe you either.

Speaker 73 If the Eagles dominate the next four games, you're going to be right back.

Speaker 47 They haven't dominated a game in like five years.

Speaker 62 That's not true. They started 10-1 last year, remember?

Speaker 47 But he had those games. They didn't dominate any of them.

Speaker 62 But, no, that's not true.

Speaker 100 I'm looking at it right now.

Speaker 50 Phillies blow World Series after 2-1 Series lead.

Speaker 68 Stop the house.

Speaker 96 The Eagles blow second half.

Speaker 66 The game six and game seven is back-to-back. That hurts.

Speaker 96 Oh, are you talking about Sixers blow game six, game seven?

Speaker 78 Celtics, Phillies blow, game six, game seven.

Speaker 19 Oh, he's doing the earmuffs.

Speaker 105 Hey, memes, can you ask me?

Speaker 119 Because there was two of them, so I was wondering which ones you were talking about.

Speaker 19 Memes, can you ask Max if he thinks that there's any correlation between starting working at part of my take and Philadelphia sports going to shit?

Speaker 98 Max, do you think there's any correlation between you starting on PMT and

Speaker 10 he's doing the baby?

Speaker 93 He's doing the baby.

Speaker 24 Oh,

Speaker 24 man.

Speaker 80 He's going baby mode on us.

Speaker 47 I can't hear you.

Speaker 93 Okay, let's go to the afternoon games.

Speaker 19 You're going to win this game, though, Max. Eagles money line.
Yeah.

Speaker 56 Chargers at Broncos.

Speaker 26 Rashawn Slater might be back.

Speaker 76 Joe Alt also might be back.

Speaker 19 Well, I looked at their injury report on the Chargers. It honestly looks like their depth chart.
Yeah. It's the longest injury report that I've seen.

Speaker 24 It's very long.

Speaker 34 It's very Chargers.

Speaker 19 It's extremely Chargers.

Speaker 37 Yes.

Speaker 19 We haven't seen Justin Herbert look anything like he's looked in years past. I don't know if it's Greg Roman.

Speaker 62 And they said they were going to try to throw more.

Speaker 19 I was always told that Justin Herbert, I distinctly remember, maybe I'm being Berenstein Barris or Mandela affected, but Justin Herbert at one point was a dynamic quarterback with a sick-ass arm, right?

Speaker 19 Yeah,

Speaker 62 I mean, the beginning of last year, I feel like he was, and then he got hurt, and now they've changed the offense, and they're trying to run the ball, and he got hurt again.

Speaker 68 So it kind of just gets hurt every time.

Speaker 39 Yeah.

Speaker 58 I think I like the Chargers in this game.

Speaker 15 I said it.

Speaker 46 There's another one that felt too obvious where I was like, ooh, Broncos at home.

Speaker 48 Plus three.

Speaker 19 Are they going to wear the blue helmets?

Speaker 12 If they do, I'm taking the Broncos.

Speaker 19 At some point,

Speaker 19 there should be a director of common sense for the Broncos that sees how awesome those helmets were, and they're just like, fuck it. We're not doing any of the other uniforms for the rest of the year.

Speaker 19 These were so good. They're uniforms again.
Yeah. True throwbacks.

Speaker 21 Start of last year, yeah.

Speaker 36 He had

Speaker 78 305 yards and

Speaker 35 two touchdowns in a game against the Titans. He had 405 yards, three touchdowns in a game against the Vikings.

Speaker 104 I think that's right around where he got hurt.

Speaker 73 But yeah, he was doing okay last year, and then it just kind of fell off and he got hurt.

Speaker 33 And the whole team, remember, I mean, Brandon Staley.

Speaker 46 Yep.

Speaker 14 Remember Brandon Staley?

Speaker 19 I remember Brandon Staley. Yeah.

Speaker 45 We remember Brandon Staley.

Speaker 19 It was so frustrating.

Speaker 49 Yeah.

Speaker 62 I mean, so it's somewhere in there.

Speaker 35 Put up four touchdowns, 323 against the Lions in a shootout.

Speaker 96 It's somewhere.

Speaker 96 I think they're going to try to throw it more.

Speaker 21 And also, if Rashawn Slater and Joe Alt come back, like, that's enormous.

Speaker 73 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Especially against a very good Broncos defense.

Speaker 19 Do you think that Harbaugh was watching that Chiefs game and he saw the Travis Kelsey lateral and he thought to himself, what if we did this lateral, but we pitched it back to Joe Alt?

Speaker 19 That would be awesome. Rumbling, stumbling.
Let him carry the ball a little bit.

Speaker 39 Did you see Sean Payton addressed the Bonix

Speaker 78 exchange on the sidelines where Bonix yelled at Sean Payton.

Speaker 57 He said, it's all good.

Speaker 27 It's the heat of the moment.

Speaker 55 It's the game.

Speaker 78 It's competitive. He's fiery.

Speaker 32 This is basically just a cliche for all of this.

Speaker 31 We're in the business of passion.

Speaker 62 We're looking for passion, and we're looking for people who have passion for the game, not other things.

Speaker 50 I think that is so important to him.

Speaker 111 Again, I loved his response. We're on the next play and it's nothing.

Speaker 19 I like saying

Speaker 32 every cliche mixed in with just a sandwich, and in the middle, the meat was, we're in the business of passion.

Speaker 19 I like business of passion. Yeah, that's a good thing to say about your team.

Speaker 37 Business of passion.

Speaker 19 Listen, I like watching Bonex play. He might not be the best, but goddamn, he is fun.

Speaker 24 Yeah, very fun.

Speaker 5 Steelers at Raiders.

Speaker 56 Aiden O'Connell is the quarterback.

Speaker 19 This is perfect because that means he... I could see Antonio Pierce taking him out of the game in like the second quarter

Speaker 19 based on play, not because of injury or anything like that. I could see Gardner coming off the bench, and guess what? That's how you get a spark.
Yep. You get Spark Gardner.

Speaker 21 Possibly Russ.

Speaker 19 Possibly Russ. I don't know.

Speaker 19 I can't begin to understand what Mike Tomlin is thinking because he doesn't. And he's got the right idea, which is why would I say anything to you guys?

Speaker 26 Yeah.

Speaker 19 Like we handle everything behind closed doors. The Patriots should have done that with Drake May, but I understand where he's coming from, but he's hard to read.

Speaker 78 Should Mike Tomlin cut George Pickens?

Speaker 91 No.

Speaker 6 Did you watch some of the tape?

Speaker 24 Yes.

Speaker 116 Holy fuck, he's not trying at all.

Speaker 1 And then after, or this week in the media availability, he was asked

Speaker 78 if, like, how he can get more touches, his snaps back.

Speaker 111 And he said, no, it's not on me.

Speaker 22 It's all up to Arthur.

Speaker 77 Yeah.

Speaker 19 I mean, this is George Pickens.

Speaker 21 But it's not,

Speaker 1 it would be one thing if he was lighting it up.

Speaker 60 Yeah. He's just a negative right now.
Yeah.

Speaker 19 This is George Pickens.

Speaker 19 I love players like this because

Speaker 19 we missed the era of the D.Va wide receiver.

Speaker 78 But he's not even like, you can't even say he's a wide receiver right now.

Speaker 105 He's not even running routes.

Speaker 19 He's just kind of out there he's just a diva so i open fucking always i'm just uh yeah i i don't know what and russ russ was he's fully practicing now he did the media availability i wonder if he's the only practice guy ever who does i black but he had i black on yeah for practice i mean when it when it comes time for like the road trips that russell wilson knew he wasn't going to play in He was just telling his family, like, hey, I got a, sorry, I got a business trip that I got to go to.

Speaker 19 You'll see me on the sidelines when I go there. Just trying to get out of the house for a little bit.

Speaker 22 Yeah, great, great uniform matchup. I love when the Steelers and the Raiders play.

Speaker 19 Yeah, it is good. So we always talk about Tomlin being when he's an underdog, scrappy underdog beton.

Speaker 19 He's also in the last four seasons, he's four and two against the spread when he's a road favorite. Oh, so this is another good situation for George Tomlin.

Speaker 2 I do think, even though Nick Herberg is out, I think that the Steelers

Speaker 76 pass rush is going to be all over Aiden O'Connell because they can't block anyone for the Raiders.

Speaker 55 I lean the Steelers, but man, George Pickens,

Speaker 33 he's in my head.

Speaker 19 Yeah, that's what he does best.

Speaker 50 But he's not doing anything.

Speaker 19 He's so fun, though.

Speaker 112 But he's not fun. That's the thing.

Speaker 11 He is fun when he's playing and catching, but he's not fun.

Speaker 95 George Pickens is,

Speaker 34 if you just watch a highlight tape of George Pickens, you're like, this is the greatest wide receiver ever. Then you watch him in a game, you're like, is this guy even trying?

Speaker 19 Yeah, and if Russell Wilson gets in, I predict that George Pickens will hate Russell Wilson even more than he hates Justin Fields.

Speaker 48 Although Russell Fields will get worse.

Speaker 73 He might just try to throw to him all the time just to try to get him.

Speaker 19 That would be the smart thing. Yeah.
Is get him involved early.

Speaker 70 Get him involved early.

Speaker 35 Best game in the afternoon, Lions of Cowboys.

Speaker 22 I'm so pumped for this game.

Speaker 19 Yeah, it should be high scoring. I hope it's high scoring.

Speaker 60 Yeah, I think it will be.

Speaker 25 I have some good quotes from you

Speaker 111 from the Lions this week.

Speaker 63 So Dan Campbell, Frank Ragnow hurt his peck.

Speaker 22 Dan Campbell said he was walking through the facility last week when out of nowhere, someone punches me against the wall.

Speaker 22 Then I get punched again and I realize that it's Frank trying to show me that his peck is great.

Speaker 18 That's his way of telling me, look how strong I am.

Speaker 33 It's good.

Speaker 26 Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 74 That's how they figure out injuries in Detroit. I fucking love it.

Speaker 19 I also think this might be one of those examples of Dan Campbell. Knowing what people will think about him and then leaning into it and giving, tossing some red meat out there.

Speaker 19 Like when he talks about having the lion on the sidelines. I think Dan Campbell is secretly way smarter than we think that he is.
Oh, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 19 And he loves having people think that he's a dumb meathead. Yeah.
So this might be one of those things. He's like, I know what I'm going to say.
Yeah.

Speaker 19 They're going to, we're going to just do injuries by punching. Yeah.
And if I feel, if you can hurt me, then you're good to play. You're back.
You're good to play football. Yeah.

Speaker 110 We also had, did you guys see Jordan Lewis's the Cowboys cornerback quote?

Speaker 14 It's one of my favorite quotes ever.

Speaker 23 So

Speaker 14 Amon Ra said that last year when they played, that Jordan Lewis was talking crazy like some shit I've never heard before.

Speaker 22 They asked Jordan Lewis about this.

Speaker 57 They're like, hey, this is what Amon Ra said.

Speaker 12 He said, I honestly don't remember.

Speaker 84 Sometimes I just black out, just go somewhere else with it.

Speaker 70 But if I said anything disrespectful, I'd probably say it again.

Speaker 4 Love that. Stand by.

Speaker 24 It's just like, yeah, I'm going to, yeah, I probably said some fucked up shit, and guess what?

Speaker 12 I'm going to do it again.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 19 You're calling your buddies after a night out. Hey, I don't know what happened at the end of last night, but I meant every single word that I said.
So good.

Speaker 26 I fucking love that quote.

Speaker 22 As for this game, I do think with Dallas's defensive line being decimated, so I mentioned them before, but Sports Info Solutions has, so the Lions run the most 12 personnel of any team in the league.

Speaker 78 The Cowboys ranks versus 12 personnel,

Speaker 73 23rd against run plays, last against play action.

Speaker 14 I think this is going to be...

Speaker 115 Every Lions offensive weapon just going fucking off.

Speaker 34 And honestly, I think the Cowboys are going to be able to move the ball too because the Lions run a lot of man coverage.

Speaker 67 And I think Dak is going to like, this is going to be a big, I think it's going to be a points fiesta.

Speaker 24 I like that points fiesta.

Speaker 78 I hope I'm right because I need a points fiesta in the afternoon, but I want a points fiesta.

Speaker 19 Yeah, so Detroit is sixth in the league at rushing, 151.3 yards per game, and the only team with two backs in the top 20 in rushing. And Dallas has the 24th ranked run defense.

Speaker 19 And then you can drill it down further. 12 personnel.
Warren Sharp taught us one running back, two tight ends. Yeah.
Sound like you know what you're talking about.

Speaker 56 Yeah, and the line, or sorry, the Cowboys' defensive uh line, they're bad against the rush, and they also were injured.

Speaker 14 I don't know if Micah's back, he possibly is.

Speaker 19 Well, as Skip Bayless will say, missing Parsons report has been filed.

Speaker 110 He's not, he's not had Micah Parsons ruled.

Speaker 22 Oh, no, that's for Steelers.

Speaker 73 Jerry Jones leaves a glimmer of hope regarding Micah Parsons' status for Lions Cowboys.

Speaker 59 I love that Jerry Jones is the one.

Speaker 19 It's perfect, right? Like, this is a job for a head coach. Instead, you've got the owner/slash GM

Speaker 19 slash warlord of Arlington, Texas just going out there and telling the coach what's happening. Yeah.
Remember last year in this game? That was a great game. Great game.
I think we're in Arizona.

Speaker 19 Yeah, we were driving back.

Speaker 46 We're driving back.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 the ending of this game was peak Dan Campbell. Oh, yeah.
If you thought that what Dan Campbell did in the

Speaker 19 NFC Championship game was reckless, this was way crazier at the end of that two-point conversion.

Speaker 19 It's backed up. Fuck it.
Let's still keep going for it. Yep.

Speaker 19 Yeah, so Dan Campbell's going to let it all hang out this week. This is nuts hanging out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is a a revenge game yep uh okay falcons and panthers is the last afternoon game i don't care i mean i care but i i i'm the panthers are back we had the fun andy dalton week and now it feels like we're just back to they got some they got more injuries on the offensive line like i just

Speaker 50 i i kind of want to take the panthers but i also because i just feel like kirk cousins is playing above his head right now but This game stinks.

Speaker 19 I think Cousins is going to get better as the season goes on, too. Because he's going to get healthier.
He's going to be more comfortable with the new wide receivers.

Speaker 78 I just, this game stinks.

Speaker 19 Yes, but I'm kind of going to disagree with that.

Speaker 19 It doesn't stink in a way of, you know, how on YouTube TV where it says, like, here's your moment of Zen during commercial breaks and it just plays like butterflies landing?

Speaker 19 Watching Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins going up against each other in a football game, that's kind of like moment of Zen. It's good to have it just there.

Speaker 19 I don't really care about it, but it's good that it's on.

Speaker 54 Yeah, I just think the Falcons are going to probably kill him, and it's just going to be another one of those, oh man, the Panthers.

Speaker 38 Like, you had one week.

Speaker 22 That Raiders' win was awesome.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 19 That was great. I think it's just good.
I think it's good for the soul to have Andy Dalton and Kirk Cousins. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 70 Sunday night football.

Speaker 78 Bengals at Giants. Must win for the Bengals.

Speaker 33 We've been on a must-win watch basically every single week.

Speaker 75 They had a players-only meeting on the defense.

Speaker 120 Mutiny?

Speaker 38 Nope.

Speaker 5 Players-only meeting.

Speaker 76 And

Speaker 23 Mike Hilton said, I know we've been playing like shit for real, honestly.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 61 He said this, by the way.

Speaker 32 Did you guys know there's a beat reporter for ESPN.com who covers the Cincinnati Bengals?

Speaker 69 Yeah.

Speaker 115 Whose name is Ben Baby?

Speaker 44 Yeah. I love that.

Speaker 40 Ben Baby.

Speaker 19 I laugh at every name every time I say it. Ben Baby.

Speaker 24 Great name.

Speaker 70 Seems like an awesome guy. But yeah,

Speaker 2 I would say that that's true. They have been, what's the quote again?

Speaker 23 I know we've been playing like shit for real, honestly.

Speaker 12 That's a for real and an honest.

Speaker 19 It's a for real, honestly, like shit. Yeah.

Speaker 19 So I like the Bengals in this game.

Speaker 67 Yeah.

Speaker 19 Daniel Jones is one and 13 in primetime. Oof.
Not a great record for Danny.

Speaker 24 Oof.

Speaker 19 So, again, it's must-win. It's a season of must-win games.

Speaker 78 It's a season of must-wins games. The Giants' defensive line is very good.

Speaker 31 Their secondary is a little suspect.

Speaker 115 I think Joe Burrow is going to keep.

Speaker 52 Joe Burrow has to do it all.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 53 Until their defense shows up, he's got to do it all.

Speaker 19 And do we have neighbors coming back?

Speaker 2 I believe so. Okay.
I like that.

Speaker 19 So it'll be fun to play.

Speaker 62 It's going to be a fun game.

Speaker 11 I'm actually weirdly think the Giants, if they had lost to the Seahawks, we'd be going into this game being like, oh.

Speaker 5 Or even if the Giants had lost and the Bengals had won, like, forget it.

Speaker 34 But this, the Giants are frisky. Yeah.

Speaker 77 They're a frisky team.

Speaker 19 And their defensive line is good. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Like, no joke, they're good.

Speaker 19 I think they, yeah, they lead the league in sacks. Yeah.
22 sacks.

Speaker 105 So this is going to be a fun game.

Speaker 3 I'm excited for this game.

Speaker 27 Any other thoughts from week six?

Speaker 78 Max, you want to take back anything you said about the Eagles?

Speaker 14 He's now, this is a great podcast.

Speaker 19 He's shaking his head. What about this stat? People talking shit about the NFC East this year, the NFC East against the AFC North.

Speaker 47 This is just a stat to compliment yourself. No, it's not.

Speaker 49 It is.

Speaker 47 I'm done. I'm done here.

Speaker 19 We're 5-1.

Speaker 47 Done.

Speaker 24 This is sad about this.

Speaker 59 Max, you got to care, dude.

Speaker 24 He's saying you got to care.

Speaker 53 Well, you know why he's saying that.

Speaker 47 Because he doesn't care.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 48 Hank, there's no.

Speaker 48 And

Speaker 24 I don't envy him. I envy him.
He doesn't care.

Speaker 53 Those are erroneous.

Speaker 14 Hank does care.

Speaker 24 About something.

Speaker 24 Hank?

Speaker 47 Yes. The fact that he can watch his teams just play like shit and be like, oh, well, at least I can golf tomorrow.

Speaker 66 I actually can. It's depressing.

Speaker 66 The fall is hitting hard.

Speaker 2 Oh, we just got a

Speaker 109 meeting email for the mutiny tomorrow.

Speaker 14 I don't think there's ever been a mutiny that we've done an email for, but yeah, Friday, October 11th, 11 a.m., mutiny.

Speaker 109 Me, meme, Shane, Max, Pug, PFT.

Speaker 19 I'm replying yes.

Speaker 24 Wait, is this

Speaker 19 mutiny?

Speaker 65 Invitation from movie.

Speaker 61 I can't wait for this mutiny.

Speaker 76 What are we going to do, though, memes?

Speaker 77 I don't know.

Speaker 105 Put them in a trash can?

Speaker 98 I spoke to the advisor guys. They also want in.

Speaker 24 Oh, hell yeah.

Speaker 19 Is anyone bringing snacks?

Speaker 2 Oh, it just nodded like, of course they want a mutiny.

Speaker 66 No, I don't believe that. I think I like memes trying, but I.

Speaker 98 Quigs was like, Hank did something yesterday, so I'm in.

Speaker 24 Oh,

Speaker 24 mutiny.

Speaker 19 What'd you do?

Speaker 24 I didn't do anything.

Speaker 98 Yeah, what did you do? He sounded pissed.

Speaker 19 Sounds like you did something.

Speaker 44 You didn't do anything? Like, you didn't work?

Speaker 24 No, I was working. You're working.

Speaker 28 Hank cares, guys,

Speaker 12 about things.

Speaker 24 Ah, memes.

Speaker 19 Do you feel bad at how bad Max feels?

Speaker 94 I feel bad.

Speaker 24 Oh.

Speaker 19 For Max on those streams.

Speaker 67 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 24 I got a text for my dad. He also feels bad.
Oh, that's tough. I appreciate that.
That's

Speaker 24 true.

Speaker 70 Sir, second Filiberto has felt bad.

Speaker 24 Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know.

Speaker 24 That's it.

Speaker 93 That's all we got.

Speaker 27 All right. Should we do our picks?

Speaker 83 Let's do.

Speaker 106 Let's win a fucking touchdown parlay.

Speaker 40 We were close last week.

Speaker 9 I think we had two out of three.

Speaker 49 And we don't know if it was on me.

Speaker 51 Okay.

Speaker 12 So.

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So let's do it in here.

Speaker 14 Because Max,

Speaker 19 should we just do all Eagles?

Speaker 60 Try to prove a point.

Speaker 19 I mean, I do like A.J. Brown to score.

Speaker 2 All right, so A.J. Brown's in there.

Speaker 19 He was going to be my pick anyway. You want to go?

Speaker 112 I'll go A.J.

Speaker 73 Brown, David Montgomery.

Speaker 24 Hank.

Speaker 24 I have to pick an Eagle? No.

Speaker 66 You can pick anyone.

Speaker 66 I was going to pick Jamar Gibbs.

Speaker 54 Jameer Gibbs? Jameer Gibbs.

Speaker 24 Okay.

Speaker 19 Hank, what's your coach's name?

Speaker 102 I'm not good at speaking.

Speaker 66 Whatever. All right.

Speaker 5 Jameer Gibbs is in I'll Do Jamar Chase.

Speaker 32 Okay?

Speaker 78 Because that was a sign you just gave.

Speaker 62 By saying Jamar Gibbs, that means you meant Jamar Chase. So it's going to be A.J.

Speaker 59 Brown, Jameer Gibbs, Jamar Chase.

Speaker 48 I like it.

Speaker 2 That's all three windows.

Speaker 43 Just got to get one a window.

Speaker 8 We can do this, boys.

Speaker 50 We can do this. All right, so let's do picks.

Speaker 12 What's the record and who's going first?

Speaker 94 The records are big cats six and four, memes, five and five, pft five and five, hank, four and six, max three, six and one.

Speaker 24 Oh,

Speaker 24 when are we gonna do this?

Speaker 49 When are we gonna do this baseball challenge?

Speaker 47 I wish you just laughed out loud.

Speaker 49 I'm sorry, no,

Speaker 19 sorry, I'm sorry, sorry, man,

Speaker 24 no,

Speaker 24 Man.

Speaker 24 Philadelphia wants to be. Hey, sing your headphones off again.

Speaker 52 Okay, let's do some picks.

Speaker 5 Who's up first?

Speaker 24 I go first.

Speaker 65 Memes.

Speaker 94 I'm taking the Lions minus three.

Speaker 19 Hank made a face like he's calling Cat.

Speaker 66 Do you go first? No, I trust him.

Speaker 24 Okay.

Speaker 87 It's week six.

Speaker 19 There's five of us. All right, you like.
Ha! You like the lions?

Speaker 96 Got you there.

Speaker 76 Do the math math real quick.

Speaker 27 Five of us, week six.

Speaker 22 We started with memes.

Speaker 62 Got it. I'm waiting for Hank to get it.

Speaker 19 Got it.

Speaker 66 I thought we started with me. That was where I was mistaken.
Got it.

Speaker 47 Me, right? Yeah. I'll be taking the Browns plus nine and a half.

Speaker 60 Why not Moneyline?

Speaker 19 I'm going to take the Eagles minus nine and a half.

Speaker 62 I'm going to take the Browns, Eagles over 42.5.

Speaker 66 I'm going to take the Saints plus three.

Speaker 66 And I'm going to take the over and the Chargers, Broncos over 35.5.

Speaker 28 I will take the Bears minus 1.5.

Speaker 19 I'm going to take

Speaker 19 the Bucs, Saints over 41.

Speaker 41 Okay, Spencer Rattler. Yep.

Speaker 47 I will take the Bears, Jags under 44.

Speaker 33 I like that pick, Max.

Speaker 59 I like that pick, Max.

Speaker 98 I will take the Bengals, Giants under 47.5.

Speaker 14 Why wouldn't you take the under in the Browns Eagles game, Max?

Speaker 47 I thought about it. That was my first initial thought, but now I was like,

Speaker 24 I don't know.

Speaker 24 Oh,

Speaker 97 no. A.J.
Brown's going to probably eat. Nope.

Speaker 24 Nope. Nope.
Then the defense.

Speaker 47 Oh, because then the defense would have to step up and beat it.

Speaker 20 Yeah, but there's part of you that's like, ooh, this is going to be a good game for the offense.

Speaker 74 Nope.

Speaker 24 I don't know.

Speaker 52 All right.

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Speaker 103 soaking

Speaker 66 hockey hockey Utah hockey terrible name what should their name be they should have mascots teams should have mascots

Speaker 97 this should be the Utah Oasis the Yeti you so you oasis is back abominable snowman mar sit him

Speaker 48 rafa

Speaker 66 oh rafa he retired he's sitting down forever could never hold a hold a torch to our boy Roger Fay Roger Roger he's no Roger he's he's no Jokovich He's the king of clay.

Speaker 66 But Roger's the king of everything.

Speaker 97 Why do you like Roger?

Speaker 66 Everything.

Speaker 88 What do you like about Roger?

Speaker 52 He's a good old boy.

Speaker 76 From where?

Speaker 26 Roger.

Speaker 105 From where?

Speaker 60 I don't know.

Speaker 100 You think he's from England? I think he's...

Speaker 97 You thought he was from England?

Speaker 101 He's from Switzerland.

Speaker 84 He's from Switzerland.

Speaker 106 He's from Switzerland, you fuck.

Speaker 24 You thought he was from England. No, no, no.

Speaker 51 You fucking

Speaker 37 father was Andy Murray.

Speaker 102 You thought he was the king of Wimbledon.

Speaker 96 He's the king of our home.

Speaker 24 You thought he was from England.

Speaker 66 No, he's just the king of Wimbledon.

Speaker 84 You don't know your fucking country's history.

Speaker 19 He's the king of grass. He wears all white just like those hockey virgins in Utah.

Speaker 66 My sleeper, Deontay Johnson, this week going up against Atlanta. He's first in red zone targets.
He's fifth in targets overall.

Speaker 60 What you doing there?

Speaker 101 You got some stats.

Speaker 102 I'm giving the people a sleeper.

Speaker 100 Should we sing a bit of a tune?

Speaker 123 If you got him on your bench, put him in the game.

Speaker 100 Should we sing a bit of a tune?

Speaker 93 I'll be your dream, I'll be your wish, I'll be your wish.

Speaker 101 We did this last week.

Speaker 106 Let's do another one.

Speaker 28 So, after roll,

Speaker 24 you're my wonder.

Speaker 21 I said, maybe.

Speaker 37 Said maybe.

Speaker 68 I said, maybe you're gonna be the one that saves me, that saves me, that saves me.

Speaker 24 And after roll,

Speaker 24 you're my wonder.

Speaker 82 That's a good tune.

Speaker 24 Thanks.

Speaker 19 I had a couple pints with the lads.

Speaker 60 Hey, I'm British.

Speaker 37 Hey, British. That's my name.
Oh, I'm British.

Speaker 19 I'm British person.

Speaker 34 British person number two.

Speaker 19 British first name, last name, person.

Speaker 26 Person. Person.
Person.

Speaker 19 This week I'm starting a cup of tea.

Speaker 37 Oh. Starting a cup of tea.

Speaker 19 And Rogers had a cup of tea. What's the tea?

Speaker 37 He had a tea. Ayahuasca.
Oh.

Speaker 19 And then you drink it, and then you fire your boss.

Speaker 24 You have to puke.

Speaker 19 You vomit.

Speaker 52 It's mutant tea.

Speaker 101 You vomit everywhere on the street, in the alleys.

Speaker 19 Indeed, you do. You hallucinate just a wee bit.

Speaker 19 Not the tea time that Henry Lockwood has. No.
Different type of tea time.

Speaker 24 For golfed in weeks.

Speaker 100 That's not true. We golfed this week with you.

Speaker 100 Yeah, but we did. We saw you golf this week.

Speaker 100 Video out soon. Make sure you're watching.
Yeah, it's part of it. Really watch the part with Henry.

Speaker 19 Perhaps the final nine holes you were on to my Wasco yourself.

Speaker 100 It's for anyone who doesn't like Henry.

Speaker 101 Watch that video.

Speaker 93 It won't be out for a couple weeks. That doesn't matter.

Speaker 101 It's worth the fucking wait.

Speaker 19 Maxwell, I think you should talk in that accent. You sound so much more, cheery.

Speaker 97 Cheerio.

Speaker 124 It's worth the fucking wait.

Speaker 19 What do you think about Philadelphia Sports, Maxwell? In this voice?

Speaker 47 I don't really know how to do this voice.

Speaker 100 They're rubbish.

Speaker 24 Right, right, right.

Speaker 100 Listen, that video could come out in 2035 and it would be worth the wait.

Speaker 19 I'd pay seven quid for it right now.

Speaker 49 Yeah.

Speaker 124 I'd mortgage my house for it.

Speaker 19 I'd kill another queen for it. I'd sell my flat.

Speaker 19 I'm sitting this week. This week I'm sitting on my couch all weekend because college football is

Speaker 37 a great day on Saturday.

Speaker 26 Saturday.

Speaker 19 Proper day on Saturday. Proper, proper day.
And then also sitting on my couch on Sunday because it's a great day of football. On Sunday, it is.
And then on Monday, is it Columbus Day?

Speaker 83 It is Columbus Day.

Speaker 19 Columbus Day, where we found the New World and we started some colonies that ended up beating us in a war. And then my sleeper this weekend is Bob Costas.
Oh. Bob Costas, because

Speaker 19 he makes me want to fall asleep. He was talking Mark Twain.
He makes me want to fall asleep. Every time I hear him, he does, he does.
He's a bum. And there's a drive to set a field.

Speaker 19 Wait, was that caught?

Speaker 68 Did they catch that?

Speaker 123 Have they caught?

Speaker 24 Oh.

Speaker 24 Oh, oh, me.

Speaker 100 Bob Costas is positively rubbish.

Speaker 19 He's rubbish. He hasn't been good since since he had the pink eye.

Speaker 60 The pink eye.

Speaker 19 My cousin gave him the pink eye when he was overseas here in England for the Olympics. He took a big steaming crap on his eyeball.
He did.

Speaker 54 He put his bum on his face.

Speaker 19 He was eating his rusty trombone out like he was playing the tuba.

Speaker 60 Hey, oi.

Speaker 100 Oi.

Speaker 124 My name is Harry Potter.

Speaker 46 Hello. Harry Potter.

Speaker 64 Hello, Harry. You're a wizard, Harry.

Speaker 72 I'm a wizard, Harry.

Speaker 19 You got struck by lightning, Harry.

Speaker 97 Not really.

Speaker 100 It was a witch's spell.

Speaker 125 Right?

Speaker 28 Wizard. A wizard's spell.

Speaker 100 My sodomist

Speaker 100 Ben Simmons. He said it's disrespectful that fans think he's robbing NBA teams.

Speaker 37 I agree with Ben Simmons.

Speaker 46 I fucking love this guy.

Speaker 100 He just doesn't.

Speaker 46 He doesn't give a fuck about anything.

Speaker 49 Takes a piss.

Speaker 24 He takes a piss out of it.

Speaker 19 You think he's taking the piss right now? I think he's taking the piss. I think he's going to be very good, very good player this year.
This is the year we don't count out Benson.

Speaker 100 Yeah. My sitem is Lieutenant Dan, the guy who's riding out the hurricane out in Florida.

Speaker 60 You got new legs. Yeah.

Speaker 100 Turns out he might be a bit of an alleged pedophile.

Speaker 101 So we should probably not make him a star.

Speaker 19 Plot twist.

Speaker 26 Yes, Henry? Do you have a picture?

Speaker 84 You have a plot twist? Plot twist.

Speaker 19 Oh, it's a no, it's a plot twist that he's a pedophile.

Speaker 66 Yeah, there's a pedophile plot twist.

Speaker 24 Oh, there's a pedophile plot twist.

Speaker 37 Hey, make the sound memes. There's a pedophile plot twist.

Speaker 24 Here we go.

Speaker 64 There's a guy with the same name

Speaker 66 as Lieutenant Dan, who is a pedophile.

Speaker 26 Oh!

Speaker 102 Lieutenant Dan is a criminal.

Speaker 46 Oh, he's not a pedophile.

Speaker 102 He fought a cop and tried to light a woman on fire.

Speaker 100 Oh, okay, so I'll take it back. He's not a pedophile.

Speaker 60 He's not convicted for pedophilia.

Speaker 101 No pedophile there.

Speaker 53 He's just maybe been arrested a few times.

Speaker 100 He's done a little little bit in the bin.

Speaker 66 He tried to light a woman on fire, and then when the cops arrested him, he punched the cop.

Speaker 49 Oh, sorry, punched the cop.

Speaker 66 He's not a pedophile.

Speaker 19 Not a pedophile. He punched the cop for unfairly trying to stop him from lighting a woman on fire.
Got it.

Speaker 46 Something along the way. But not a pedophile.

Speaker 19 So he's okay. He's okay.

Speaker 66 He could be a pedophile. Yeah.

Speaker 37 A possible pedophile.

Speaker 100 My sleeper is the clocks. Because guess what? We're

Speaker 106 turning him forward.

Speaker 37 That's right.

Speaker 19 I'm going to climb up to the top of Big Bend this weekend and just pull it right down.

Speaker 26 Turn it around.

Speaker 19 Pull it down for an hour.

Speaker 46 Turn around,

Speaker 123 bright eyes.

Speaker 39 Every now and then.

Speaker 24 I see that look in your eyes.

Speaker 24 Turn around,

Speaker 24 bright eyes.

Speaker 24 I need you now tonight.

Speaker 52 I need you now than ever.

Speaker 24 This one holds you tight.

Speaker 24 I fucking need you more than ever.

Speaker 19 That's a song by a man named Meatloaf.

Speaker 51 R.I.P.

Speaker 61 Good job, Fantasy Lab Boys.

Speaker 41 Do reminder to everyone that we do change the clocks this week, so lose an hour of sleep.

Speaker 19 Fall back.

Speaker 61 Yeah, sucks for the kickoff of the Bears Jaguars.

Speaker 19 But you get an extra hour at the bar.

Speaker 60 That's true. I think they should.

Speaker 19 Drink should be free during that hour.

Speaker 24 Yes.

Speaker 81 So,

Speaker 81 change those clocks.

Speaker 21 Skip payloads time.

Speaker 59 Let's do it. Let's do it.

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Speaker 21 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest in studio.

Speaker 15 It is Skip Bayless.

Speaker 67 Never thought we'd see the day, but he's here in the flesh.

Speaker 22 Skip,

Speaker 68 we got a lot of questions, but let's start with something easy.

Speaker 18 Warm us up.

Speaker 46 Okay.

Speaker 76 Is Dak Prescott a Super Bowl-winning quarterback?

Speaker 87 By the way, could I jump in before I started?

Speaker 24 Yeah, go for it. Go for it.

Speaker 87 This is surreal to me.

Speaker 24 To you. Yeah.
Surreal to us. Yeah.

Speaker 87 For similar reasons. So I was blessed to break through in this business for the first time really in about 2010 into 2011, which was the Tim Tebow run through that NFL season.

Speaker 87 And on first take, we started to crush.

Speaker 87 And we took over the sports media world. And then Stephen A joined me the following year.
We took it up a level.

Speaker 87 And it dawned on me last night as I was thinking about joining you guys that

Speaker 87 you guys were in the rightest place at the rightest time.

Speaker 87 And you became, if I may, Stephen A and Skip. Like you took over as I was leaving Stephen A to go to Fox and FS1,

Speaker 87 you guys

Speaker 87 rose to the top of the sports media world right on time. And so

Speaker 87 it's bizarre to me in a surreal way that I'm on with you because I honor what you guys have achieved because I know what it feels like

Speaker 87 to be where you are now. And I congratulate you on that.
And it takes some luck.

Speaker 87 It does take

Speaker 87 some right place, right time.

Speaker 87 And you were right on schedule to do what you did in this world as I was in the linear TV world.

Speaker 3 And I would say that

Speaker 59 your career helped our career in the fact that you guys would have the dumbest debates sometimes.

Speaker 78 Sometimes not, sometimes real, sometimes, would you say sometimes dumb?

Speaker 87 No, I would

Speaker 30 go dumb.

Speaker 73 LeBron versus MJ in horse.

Speaker 24 Yeah. Okay, I got you there.

Speaker 87 No, we did him play in one-on-one.

Speaker 24 Okay, one-on-one.

Speaker 60 But no, I think we found a niche.

Speaker 87 MJ would destroy him in one-on-one.

Speaker 24 That's just me.

Speaker 97 If you want to do that, I'll do it.

Speaker 53 But the niche that we found is that we just talk sports like two regular guys.

Speaker 67 Okay.

Speaker 99 And it helped that we could

Speaker 46 kind of play off of the debate show.

Speaker 87 Well, you took a title, and I'm proud to say I was responsible for half of your title.

Speaker 24 Yes, you know.

Speaker 87 Yes, you were.

Speaker 19 I actually didn't realize that until I think two weeks into the show. I was like, wait, we're called, pardon my take.
Yes,

Speaker 24 and then we got to cease and desist from ESPN, and we're like, okay.

Speaker 12 EFTA was like, what's this?

Speaker 44 I was like, well, we did rip off the name.

Speaker 87 But you ripped it off in like a fun way. Like, you're saying to your audience, we're not going to take it as seriously as they do.
Correct.

Speaker 24 We're going to do this. Right, right.
And we're just going to be

Speaker 87 talking about this.

Speaker 19 Which one of us is Stephen A and which one is Skip?

Speaker 87 You know, I knew you were going to ask me that, and I didn't want to have to go there. I think you're both Skip.

Speaker 24 Oh, okay.

Speaker 24 How about that?

Speaker 62 You know, we used to have two frogs named Stephen A and Skip.

Speaker 24 I did not know that. They died.

Speaker 19 Oh, that was a tragedy. Yeah, that was a tragedy.

Speaker 76 They got sucked up into the

Speaker 79 filter.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 87 Don't wait, they died tragically? They died tragically. Not of old age?

Speaker 12 We had a run of pets where they would just die. We had goldfish, we had frogs, they would just die.

Speaker 73 But we did name them.

Speaker 19 We had a white one and a black one. The white one was Stephen A and the the black one was

Speaker 24 yeah yeah okay all right

Speaker 24 okay look

Speaker 87 i like to argue and i'm passionate about it it's it's like my life it's what i was born to do born to be

Speaker 87 and so i i wanted to actually debate authentically on television where i took it seriously yeah and i'm not going to trick it up it's going to be real i'm not going to say anything i don't believe and stephen a was the perfect foil for me i'm from oklahoma City, he's from Queens, I'm white, he's black, and yet from the start, we loved each other.

Speaker 87 And he knew from the start, even though I'm trying to like rip his throat out in the debate, that I always told him, no punches pulled, but none thrown.

Speaker 87 We can't get to the point where we're going to throw punches or the audience is just going to turn it off because they don't want to see mad. They just want to see heated.
They want to see emotion.

Speaker 87 They want to see passion, but they don't want to see strangle each other across the table.

Speaker 87 And Stephen A. and I were great that way because

Speaker 87 he wanted to beat me,

Speaker 87 but he knew in the end I would protect him.

Speaker 87 And he knew I had his back, and he knew I loved him like a brother, and we're still to this day brothers. So the point was that

Speaker 87 we did that because I pushed for it. And then you guys took it someplace new and different where you can kind of argue about sports, but you don't do it the way we did.

Speaker 87 I'm not going to lose the debate. Right.
And by the way, I never lost a debate to Stephen A. Smith.
Is that true?

Speaker 34 You're like Lenny Dykstra's stock record?

Speaker 72 Yeah.

Speaker 24 He lost one. He lost one.

Speaker 117 He was like 350 in one stock pick.

Speaker 19 The thing that I loved about first take, which made it very different from like around the horn, which you guys both had, it was similar in that every conversation was a competition. Right.

Speaker 19 But the thing I loved about first take is there's no score, there's no score being kept.

Speaker 87 We tried that once, and it's

Speaker 49 work.

Speaker 24 No, you know what would happen?

Speaker 87 We'd let the audience sort of, I don't even know

Speaker 87 what technology we were using to let the audience actually score the debate on the fly. And I would lose 100 to one every time because I was the most hated man in sports media.

Speaker 19 I was the one person that was voting for you, by the way.

Speaker 49 Thank you for that.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I remember the ESPN phone, and I would text in afterwards. But the great thing about First Take was after it was over, the winner of the debate was actually up for debate.

Speaker 19 Then you got to debate with people about, hey, do you like Skip? Do you like Stephen A?

Speaker 19 And I always said the perfect thing about what you guys had was you took two guys that were very, very skilled at

Speaker 19 screaming at each other. And they were maybe the only two people at ESPN that would disagree on both of the two questions of is LeBron James good and is Tim Tebow bad?

Speaker 19 And putting that together, there was some magic that happened. It was magic.
Big fan of that entire era.

Speaker 19 And you actually believe the Tim Tebow stuff, too, right? Like, you believe that Tim Tebow, if he was given a fair shot in the NFL.

Speaker 87 I'm going to tell you what I said from day one. After I watched Tim Tebow beat my Oklahoma Sooners, I grew up in Oklahoma City, an Oklahoma fan.
I was born into the tradition. Can't help myself.

Speaker 87 After I watched what he did to my sooners in the second half of the championship game, and then I saw that video of him at halftime saying, we're going to take the ball.

Speaker 87 We're going to drive it down their throats. I said, God, I want that guy on my team.
So I said, on the air, on first take, before the draft,

Speaker 87 if he's available at the bottom of the first round, I'm going to take him. And if I run his college offense, I'm going to win a lot of games in the National Football League.

Speaker 87 He'll never make a Pro Bowl, but I want him on my team. And Josh McDaniels, then the Denver head coach, took him with the 25th overall pick.

Speaker 87 And when he got his chance his rookie year after Josh got fired, so he lost his guy, go look at what happened the last three games of his rookie year when he did get to play.

Speaker 87 He put up big numbers, legs, and arm. And they won two of those three games, including one over the Texans at home, which he drove them to

Speaker 87 the winning touchdown at the end of the game. And obviously, when Elway and Fox took over the next year, they just wanted to get the Tebow thing out of the way when they fell to one and four.

Speaker 87 Let's just get it over with. Let's throw him into the fire at Miami.
Remember this? Yeah.

Speaker 87 And let's just get it over with because he'll suck and the fans will finally say, okay, you're right about this. And all the zellots out there will say, okay, that's enough of Tebow.

Speaker 87 And they won in overtime. And they kept winning games, as I kept saying, all he does is win.

Speaker 87 And so day after day on first take, we would bring in a parade of ex-NFL players along with Stephen A and others. And they would all fight me to the death over he can't throw.

Speaker 87 And I'd say, well, in the last five minutes of games, he is the best QBR in the National Football League throwing the football because, as Eric Mangini once said to me, you know, you're right about this.

Speaker 87 He gets accurate when it's time to get accurate. So he takes a one in four team to the division title, and all those naysayers had to keep eating Crow Monday after Monday after Monday.

Speaker 87 And obviously, our ratings went through the roof. We did numbers in 2011 on ESPN2,

Speaker 87 obviously now pretty much abandoned by studio shows, but we did numbers on ESPN 2 that will never ever be touched because of me and Tebow.

Speaker 48 Yeah.

Speaker 11 And you still think, I mean, he's not good.

Speaker 87 Well, he never got another chance, did he?

Speaker 24 He never did. He's a winner.

Speaker 49 I mean, just basically.

Speaker 24 So seriously, 20 years from today,

Speaker 87 somebody who knows nothing about what we just discussed, somebody will take the numbers and say,

Speaker 87 wait a second, this guy won the division in 2011, and then he beat the Pittsburgh Steelers in a playoff game, and then he never got another chance to play?

Speaker 87 Never started another game. Nobody ever gave him a shot, right?

Speaker 87 Okay, how can you explain that? Well, you think he's just not good. And finally,

Speaker 87 I guess Belichick,

Speaker 87 Chip Kelly, and Philly decided, well, he's just not good enough.

Speaker 87 But

Speaker 87 you have to give him a chance to win the game because I think he could have kept winning games. What about this?

Speaker 19 What if you just made him a closer, like in baseball?

Speaker 19 He comes in. You get Dak out there for three quarters.

Speaker 49 Tebow comes in in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 87 It's a revolutionary thought, and it's a great one. And I do not disagree with that premise.
It's just something the National Football League doesn't do because we don't do that.

Speaker 87 But someday somebody will try that and succeed with it, and then everybody will develop a closer for their team.

Speaker 24 That would be awesome.

Speaker 19 Get some music playing after the one out of the tunnel.

Speaker 49 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 67 So

Speaker 73 have you spoken with did Tim Tebow ever thank you for everything you did for him?

Speaker 87 I interviewed him twice. We had him once on first take, and then I went to the Super Bowl in Indianapolis that year, and I sat with him for an hour for a piece that we played on first take.

Speaker 87 And

Speaker 87 I never got close to him. I never connected.

Speaker 87 I do believe in God. He obviously really believes in God in ways that I don't quite worship.

Speaker 87 But we never talked about that. And it surprised me, frankly, that off the air he didn't say something to me about any connection that we had.
I didn't ever feel any closeness at all.

Speaker 87 So I didn't have a relationship. I don't have his contact.

Speaker 87 I just believed in him winning football games. Yeah.

Speaker 24 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 19 So you very artfully dodged the Dallas Cowboys portion. Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 24 Yeah, let's say

Speaker 49 I love that. Yes, counts.

Speaker 27 Is your jersey in the trash still?

Speaker 87 I threw them away, and my wife burned them.

Speaker 34 Did she burn the jerseys?

Speaker 5 Now,

Speaker 24 wait, wait, hang on.

Speaker 19 She took them out of the trash can. She burned them and then put them into the fire.

Speaker 87 She's an exorcism.

Speaker 24 What happened with...

Speaker 62 Can you explain to me what happened with the smart trash can that one video?

Speaker 53 That was tough.

Speaker 73 It kept on closing on you.

Speaker 87 Yeah, but was I not deadly active?

Speaker 93 I know, but that thing was bodying you.

Speaker 24 It just kept on closing on you.

Speaker 87 I know, but I didn't miss a throw because

Speaker 87 I was going Tebow like in the last five minutes where I'm out of my mind.

Speaker 87 It's like pure anger is manifesting in my deadly accuracy. Yes.
Where I'm throwing with all my might. In fact, it reminds me a bit, if I may, my Vanville Commodores.

Speaker 87 We finally beat Alabama and we kicked their ass.

Speaker 87 We beat them fair and square because we outplayed them on Saturday in Nashville at our stadium. And our smart students then took the the goalpost and carried it all the way down West End Avenue.

Speaker 87 It's like three miles to the Cumberland River, downtown Nashville, and threw the goalpost into the river.

Speaker 87 It's like 134 years of frustration because we hadn't beaten the top five team in 134 years of playing college football, and we took 134 years and threw it in the river.

Speaker 87 So I took every piece of cowboy memorabilia that I own, jerseys, hats, scarfs, and I fired every piece into the trash. She went into the trash and took all of the above and burned them

Speaker 87 in a big pile in the kitchen. She just set them on fire.

Speaker 19 So you have no more Dallas Cowboys merch.

Speaker 87 Well, I started over with a number 17 jersey because I thought he was the greatest kicker I've ever seen in my life. So I decided to go to the house.
What about 11 from heaven?

Speaker 19 What about Parsons? That's the new GOAT. I wish you don't the giants.

Speaker 87 Are we talking about the guy I have to file a missing Parsons report for?

Speaker 24 That's Parsons.

Speaker 87 That's really good.

Speaker 49 By the way, you're Vandy.

Speaker 27 I said this to you before when we talked for a minute, but you need to be called to task on your tweet after Vandy won when you said, if you watched or heard the end of this week's skip mail show, I strongly hinted at this possibility, but didn't want to predict the upset for fear Bama coaches would show it to their players and I would doom my school.

Speaker 86 You don't get credit for hinting.

Speaker 73 Okay.

Speaker 84 You got to take the pick.

Speaker 87 Okay, but if you listen to the end of my podcast the week before,

Speaker 87 I whispered it at the end.

Speaker 24 I literally whispered, we have a quarterback. You do?

Speaker 87 Who gives us a chance to win every game, including this game? He just knows how to play, but don't tell anybody. Don't tell Alabama.

Speaker 74 Thank God you whispered it because the Bama coaches, they probably can't hear the whispers.

Speaker 87 I don't think they did. Although they did all put, they put mousetraps in each player's locker because this is going to be be a proverbial mouse trap trap game.

Speaker 87 And I'm like, yeah, trap shooting like clay pigeons, you know, pull, bam, you know, like that's what the trap's going to be. But I wanted them to saunter in.

Speaker 87 I wanted them to be drained and a little down from the game of the year,

Speaker 87 the game before. And we were coming off a buy.
And we do have a Diego Pavia who just knows how to win college football games. It's simple as that.

Speaker 87 He's played five years of college football and started every every year, two at New Mexico military, two at New Mexico State.

Speaker 87 He brought five coaches with him to Vanderbilt, including his offensive coordinator, because we needed him to put us on the national map. And he did.

Speaker 87 And if that's our version of NIL as hiring five coaches, that's what we have to do. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 12 So I got a question.

Speaker 73 How do you watch all the games and how do you have the energy?

Speaker 45 I know you get up at like two in the morning to run and lift all the time, but

Speaker 22 has there been a moment in your career where you've started to run out of gas or you're like, I can't, I mean, it's it's pretty crazy that you're able to do it and keep this up.

Speaker 24 Big cat,

Speaker 87 if you know me, I am obsessed with this. I am still more on fire than I have ever been.

Speaker 87 I live for it. I eat, sleep, breathe it.
I can't explain it. You can ask my wife.

Speaker 87 On our first date back in 2005, I told her, if this goes anywhere, you will always be number two to my work because because it's not work to me.

Speaker 87 It's my life. It's my reason for being.

Speaker 87 I love the games. It's not a task for me to watch the games.
And then you have to figure out the why of what you just saw. So I'm really into processing the why

Speaker 87 and trying to see things others don't see. Not that I'm a shock jock.

Speaker 87 These things just come naturally to me. And then I'm going to say exactly what I see.
Yeah.

Speaker 14 Do you surprise yourself sometimes when you're like, oh man, this take is this is a fiery one that no one's going to see coming?

Speaker 87 Yeah, but I don't think of it as a take, like a hot take. I hate that.

Speaker 87 It's just me. I don't know.
It's just me being me.

Speaker 73 You just think you have the ability to think counter to what most people are seeing in thinking. Like they'll see one thing and you're seeing, hey, this is actually the story here.

Speaker 24 Yeah,

Speaker 87 I don't think of it that way, but I do think that clearly you do.

Speaker 27 You have that because you will you'll have opinions that's like, oh, I didn't even think about it that way.

Speaker 87 That are fresh. Yeah.

Speaker 87 That make you think. And then you're going to sit back because you're a smart guy and you're a really smart guy.
And you're going to sit back and say, oh,

Speaker 46 okay. Yeah.

Speaker 87 That makes sense because

Speaker 87 I'm not shock jockey to the point I'm coming up with something where I say, oh,

Speaker 87 this will stir up the hornet's nest.

Speaker 87 I don't have a hornet's nest. I'm just me.
I'm just seeing and saying exactly what I saw last night.

Speaker 19 So you don't gamble on the games, do you?

Speaker 87 Just with my pride.

Speaker 24 Or like smelling you occasionally.

Speaker 19 But actually, that's a good point because you, in a weird way, you have a lot at stake on every game because you're rooting for what you just said about the game.

Speaker 87 You're rooting for

Speaker 19 sometimes your takes that zig when everybody else's zags. You're rooting for that to be right so you can get on the air and be like, I told you so.

Speaker 87 Yeah, okay, I'll buy that.

Speaker 19 Yeah, so when you watch the games,

Speaker 19 are you watching multiple games at once? Or do you have, what's your setup like?

Speaker 87 My limit is three at once because I can't process. I have a hard time processing two, but I try to go three.
I've got two giant screens, and then I always have some game on either phone or computer.

Speaker 87 Yeah.

Speaker 19 And when you, when you wake up, Big Cat alluded to the workout routine. How many hours a day are we working out now?

Speaker 87 Okay, I do cardio every day for one hour, never miss.

Speaker 24 What's that? Just on a treadmill?

Speaker 87 I used to run outside more. Now I'm confining everything to inside.
I'm in L.A. It's just too dangerous to run outside.

Speaker 87 There's psycho drivers in L.A. I know they are in New York and Chicago and everywhere else, but

Speaker 87 it just got too dangerous. So

Speaker 87 I'm confining myself to all treadmill or upright exercise bike. So I do that for an hour, and I do not miss lifting Monday, Wednesday, Friday afternoon.

Speaker 115 Every single day.

Speaker 87 Every single day. I don't miss.
Wow.

Speaker 19 I remember there was a profile. I forget what magazine it was in, but somebody talked about what a psycho you were in the gym.
Just like locked up. What do you listen to when you work out?

Speaker 87 A lot of times I'm listening to games.

Speaker 24 Like you're asking me how you do it.

Speaker 87 I try to time it around a game, like, because they start earlier in California, obviously, in the West. So if it's 4.30 or 5, I've got a game on in my ear, or I'm just watching it at home.

Speaker 87 I've got a home gym where I've got a TV in my home gym. Yeah.

Speaker 19 You really are just like all sports all the time.

Speaker 24 Which I love.

Speaker 12 Is there date night?

Speaker 24 Friday night.

Speaker 78 Ernestine's an angel for

Speaker 46 dealing with scenes.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 105 So Friday night is date night.

Speaker 46 Yep.

Speaker 2 But the rest of the day.

Speaker 87 And cheat night, we have one slice of pizza every Friday night.

Speaker 24 Oh my God, that's crazy.

Speaker 67 You got crazy?

Speaker 24 We get really nuts. And you eat.

Speaker 87 I mean, we get like sicko psycho.

Speaker 24 You're the only one?

Speaker 24 You've done that's the role. I've done two a couple times.

Speaker 60 I know you've done two.

Speaker 19 And you eat the same thing for lunch lunch every day, right?

Speaker 49 You still do that?

Speaker 87 I do.

Speaker 52 I'm crazy.

Speaker 24 What do you eat?

Speaker 24 I'm happy crazy.

Speaker 19 Every Monday you sit down, you make all your turkey sandwiches?

Speaker 87 No, we have a chef make them.

Speaker 24 Okay. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 87 But I eat white meat turkey and broccoli and brown rice and like beans, like dark beans. I have that kind of combination two big times a day, lunch and dinner.

Speaker 32 And that's, and then Friday, one, possibly two pieces of pizza, and that's it.

Speaker 87 And we'll go frozen yogurt on Friday night.

Speaker 87 Now

Speaker 87 there's a big cheese. Now you're getting bad cheese.

Speaker 120 That's crazy.

Speaker 19 So when we were talking about the Cowboys earlier, it always reminds me of, you know, to go back to you and Stephen A having the constant debates about the Dallas Cowboys. You and Stephen A part ways.

Speaker 19 You go out to the West Coast. The Cowboys lose in the playoffs.
It felt like Stephen A turned up the Cowboys dial a little bit.

Speaker 46 Yeah.

Speaker 19 Put the Cowboy hat on. Sure.
It always felt like he was sending secret messages to you. Like, this is for Skip.
It's for an audience of one. I'm still rubbing it in for Skip.

Speaker 19 Did you feel that way too?

Speaker 87 I thought he was doing it for his ratings, just to remind everybody now. He's the cowboy hater, as opposed to me being the cowboy lover.
So I thought it was smart on his part.

Speaker 87 But

Speaker 87 I'm a psycho-sicko cowboy fan. I'm spoiled rotten.
And you asked me about Dak.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 87 I'm just not buying. Yeah.
I don't believe. I've seen enough.
I know what he is and what especially he is not. He is two and five in the postseason.

Speaker 87 And every time a big moment has come in a postseason game that is begging to be won,

Speaker 87 he's not there.

Speaker 87 And they played a game three years ago at San Francisco that was begging to be won by the defense when Micah was riding highest. And he was

Speaker 87 at least a defensive player of the year candidate. And he basically took over a game at San Francisco

Speaker 87 that the offense needed one play to be made. And Dak missed five open receivers in that game,

Speaker 87 and they lost a close game, and that was as close as they're ever going to come to getting to an NFC championship game with Dak Prescott at quarterback. Wow.

Speaker 87 And yet, Jerry has committed to him for four more years, made him the richest player in the history of pro football because Jerry just wants to sell tickets.

Speaker 87 And Dak will sell tickets because he's safe. And you know, he's going to put up gaudy enough numbers to be somewhere on the fringe of the MVP race.
And

Speaker 87 they'll win some games.

Speaker 87 I got them at 8-9 missing the playoffs, but they'll win enough games as they stole one the other night at Pittsburgh because of Dak in the end after he had three horrendous turnovers, two in the red zone.

Speaker 87 They'll be just good enough to be

Speaker 87 a factor, just good enough to be relevant, just good enough to be the team nobody can take their eyes off of. So that's why Dak is the quarterback.

Speaker 87 I was praying for Trey Lance to have a sensational preseason to the point that Jerry would say, well, maybe, maybe

Speaker 87 I should go here and plunge with him the way the Shanahans plunged. No.

Speaker 39 Yeah, that did not happen. Just did not happen.

Speaker 19 Sometimes wake up in cold sweats thinking about Mason Crossbar.

Speaker 87 Yeah, no game has ripped my guts out more than that game did because

Speaker 87 that was arguably Dak's best game of his career. That was his first playoff game.
That's when they were the one seed.

Speaker 87 That's when they had a home playoff game against Aaron Bleep and Rodgers, who always plays the best against the Dallas Cowboys. There's something.
And the Bears, but yeah.

Speaker 110 I'll give you that.

Speaker 87 Yeah, yeah, thank you. But that's like too easy.

Speaker 53 Yeah, that's also, I'll give you that.

Speaker 112 Yeah.

Speaker 5 But yeah, that was a

Speaker 5 good one.

Speaker 87 So they're the one seed at home.

Speaker 87 And they're not ready to play. And they come out and fall, what was it, 21 to something behind, 21 to 3.

Speaker 87 And here came Dak and here came Zeke. And Dak was...
made possible by Zeke and I didn't see that coming.

Speaker 87 I was more Dak at that point, but Zeke was leading the league in rushing, and he was such a force and a factor that it allowed Dak to maximize himself as a a fourth-round pick in his rookie year.

Speaker 87 So all of a sudden, bam, bam, bam, he's got Des Bryant.

Speaker 87 We roll back and we tie the game. And then it took Mason Crossbar hitting two intergalactic field goals that had no chance of making it over the crossbar.
And the first one was a dying quail

Speaker 87 that he missed to the right.

Speaker 87 He actually, it was a near shank, but it was definitely a slice. And it faded just over the crossbar from 53, maybe the first one was.
And the second one, we're indoors. And go back and look at it.

Speaker 87 I dare anybody, call up the video. It hooks badly off his foot.
There's no wind indoors. He hooked it.
And as soon as it left his foot, I won.

Speaker 87 The hand of God comes down and pulls the ball back inside the left upright. I don't know how a football hooked left and then somehow faded back to the right with no wind.
I don't know how it happened.

Speaker 87 It was not meant to be.

Speaker 19 Yeah, that's probably the closest they've come to. That was a pretty good team, too.

Speaker 19 Well, let me ask this about this, the new iteration that we see, the Cowboys. Are we still all in or are we all in my ass?

Speaker 87 All in my ass.

Speaker 87 I tweeted that and it blew up. And I was like, what's wrong with that? I think somebody thought it was some perverse sexual thing.

Speaker 67 Yeah, yeah. No, that's exactly what people wrote.

Speaker 24 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 87 No, it's just all in my ass.

Speaker 24 All in my ass.

Speaker 86 You follow no one on Twitter.

Speaker 20 Do you ever see any other tweets?

Speaker 34 Like,

Speaker 34 what's up with that?

Speaker 87 You know, you asked me about forming opinions.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 87 I just don't want to be influenced by what anybody else thinks. So I don't need that.
I don't want that.

Speaker 87 I want to be completely true to myself, authentic, as cliched and silly as that might sound to you guys.

Speaker 87 I just want to be me, and I don't need anybody to define me or to help me form my opinion. I don't want to respond to what the public's opinion is.
I want to set the tone and the table.

Speaker 87 And, you know, I only had

Speaker 87 my days working with Stephen A. and Shannon Sharp, both of whom I love like brothers.

Speaker 87 My only

Speaker 87 grievance with either one of them was when we'd go to break and they're looking at their phone and they're scrolling like seeing what what Twitter said in those days Twitter what did they say about what I just did yeah as if they need validation that they won the argument wait and and then in my days with Stephen A

Speaker 87 one guy in Alaska would say you just got your ass kicked Aren't you embarrassed?

Speaker 87 And we come out of break and we go back on live TV and he's angry at me for reasons I don't know.

Speaker 87 And then he might turn to his camera and say, and I don't care what you say, I'm right about Tim Tebow or whatever.

Speaker 46 Yeah.

Speaker 24 Right.

Speaker 87 And he's out of his mind. I'm saying, what are you doing?

Speaker 87 And it's because there was the one guy in Alaska who told him he just got his ass kicked.

Speaker 87 And I would say, you're so much better than that.

Speaker 87 You're Stephen A. freaking Smith.
Just stand on your own two feet. You don't need validation.

Speaker 87 You don't want to let them creep into your psyche and define who you are on the air to actually

Speaker 87 play a role in how you're going to respond to me and then coming out of the next break. Seriously? So that's

Speaker 46 commendable.

Speaker 65 Yeah, I think it's a very human emotion and instinct

Speaker 117 being out in the public sphere and looking for that value.

Speaker 12 Do you guys look at people say I try not to as much because of what you just described, where it's like, I could see 100 positive comments and then one guy and that will ruin my day.

Speaker 12 So I think I've gotten better as my career starts.

Speaker 87 I was a one guy ruined my day guy. I started in 2009 on Twitter, and for maybe a year,

Speaker 87 I would look at my ads, my responses, my mentions, and I would find I would see one guy who said,

Speaker 87 Your hair looks like shit today.

Speaker 24 And I would think, it does? Yeah. My hair looks like shit.

Speaker 87 Maybe it does.

Speaker 87 Maybe it does. And it would start to affect my concentration.

Speaker 24 Okay.

Speaker 87 So why would I inflict that upon myself?

Speaker 84 Yeah, no, it's smart.

Speaker 103 It's a good way to go through it.

Speaker 77 So your career, was there, I mean, you don't lack in confidence.

Speaker 14 I think that's fair to say.

Speaker 73 Was there a moment, though, where you,

Speaker 78 not a light bulb moment, let's say a light bulb moment, where it's like, oh, I can do this and I have a skill here.

Speaker 43 And this is what, you know, I'm good on air.

Speaker 73 I'm good on radio.

Speaker 117 Was there that moment for you?

Speaker 33 Or did you just always think hey i'm the best i can do this

Speaker 87 that's a great question thank you that great question thank you

Speaker 87 i'm not sure i have that moment so quick background story

Speaker 87 i began to do things for espn in like 1989 i started being a regular on what was called sports reporters with dick shapp back in the day mike lupica tony kornheiser bob Ryan.

Speaker 87 And I found right away

Speaker 87 I liked the medium. It was good for me because I could really,

Speaker 87 I'm more introverted off camera, but I could really come out of my shell and just be me. And that's the real me on camera more than off-camera.

Speaker 87 And ESPN liked what I did, so

Speaker 87 they started a show called Cold Pizza, whose remnants are still first take, but they started in 2004. And Mark Shapiro was running ESPN and called me and said, you've done a lot for us.

Speaker 87 I need you to come to New York and try to help us save my show because that was his signature morning show based in New York City.

Speaker 87 It was a show loosely based on sports that was sort of the GMA, Good Morning America,

Speaker 87 of ESPN.

Speaker 87 Not a great idea because if you want GMA and you're just a casual sports fan, you'll probably just watch GMA. Right.

Speaker 87 And they were getting no ratings. So he said,

Speaker 87 I love you as a debater. It's what you do best.
I'm going to sports up Cold Pizza. I want you to do four segments a day.
It was with Woody Page at that point because he was already on the show.

Speaker 87 You guys go back and forth four times a show and let's see if we can spike the ratings, which we started to do. But the first morning I was there, we did one rehearsal for the

Speaker 87 showrunner who was not a sports guy named Brian Donnellin, who became a good friend of mine. So

Speaker 87 we go into the debate. It was just something we did trick up at that point just to see how it felt.
We were going live the next day, and two sentences flew out of my mouth.

Speaker 87 I went first, and Brian Donnelly came running out of the control room down onto the floor of the New Yorker Hotel at 34th and 8th in Manhattan, where we shot the show, and screamed at me, you're, can I say that?

Speaker 87 He says, you're way too fucking hot for morning television.

Speaker 49 And I'm like, Brian,

Speaker 87 trust me on this.

Speaker 87 This is what you need for morning television. And that was a eureka moment because

Speaker 87 I stopped him in his tracks and he shook his head and he said,

Speaker 24 Okay,

Speaker 87 okay, just take it down one notch for me and we'll be okay. So we finished the rehearsal and I took it down one notch.
And then the next morning, I took it two notches back up.

Speaker 87 And the rest was ratings history because they eventually pulled every plug in New York City on ESPN.

Speaker 87 Stephen A's, quite frankly, and they had Howie Schwab stump the Schwab and Josh Elliott on ESPN Classic.

Speaker 87 All plugs got pulled, but they couldn't pull the Cole Pizza plug because we were making money because we were starting to rate

Speaker 87 in large part because of the debates.

Speaker 87 Because we were actually doing some hardcore sports talk in the midst of the pet segments and the ballpark food segments and the cigar segments that were Good Morning America on ESPN.

Speaker 87 So from there, they just took us up to the mothership in Bristol and rebranded us first take and the rest is yeah so that is the kind of a lunch.

Speaker 24 That was a moment. Yeah.

Speaker 19 I was like this one segment actually deserves its own show, deserves to be have other shows even packaged around the idea that this is our centerpiece of the mornings.

Speaker 19 At what point did you first debate Stephen A. Smith, and did you realize instant chemistry?

Speaker 87 I did. And that is also a great question.
Thank you. Great question.
Thank you. That was

Speaker 87 in Los Angeles in 2002. We were both on Jim Rome's show on what was called Fox Sports Net.
It was the forerunner to FS1s today.

Speaker 87 And

Speaker 87 Jim did a show called The Last Word on Fox Sports Net, and he would frequently have different sort of sparring partners on. He loved me, and one day, fatefully, I got paired with this guy, Stephen A.

Speaker 87 Smith, and I got a kick out of him from day one, and right away we got into it about some NBA topic, and Jim became a spectator at a tennis match where his head was just going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth.

Speaker 87 and I knew right away this had magic to it. We just clicked because

Speaker 87 he has the greatest gift of Gab in the history of television in my view. And there's something about his respect for me was instant and you have to be able to respect where he let me go hard at him.

Speaker 87 He's got a big ego and I love him, but he has a huge ego because he's earned a huge ego. And yet, he already had it then, and he allowed me to go right at him and to make little jokes about him and

Speaker 87 to insult him in the realm of the debate.

Speaker 87 You don't know what you're talking about. No one can tell Stephen A that, but I just knew right away he's going to let me say that to him because he didn't know what he was talking about.

Speaker 87 So I was just telling him the truth. You're just so wrong about this because of X and Y and Z.

Speaker 87 Yeah, but, and, and he loved for me to set tables for him because he's a great reactor as opposed to a pre-actor. I'm more of a pre-actor where I'm going to go boom, boom, boom.
And he can sit back,

Speaker 87 stroke his chin and say, wait a second. And he can take my point D and say, did you just say that...

Speaker 24 X is Y?

Speaker 87 Yeah, I said that.

Speaker 87 What do you make of it?

Speaker 87 And here we'd go off on a tangent that he was comfortable playing over here in that might not be the question that was originally asked by Jim Rome.

Speaker 87 And I knew you can't teach that. You can't coach it.
You guys know it. You have it.

Speaker 87 It's connection. It's chemistry that either happens or it does not happen.

Speaker 87 And there's no manager. There's no showrunner.
I don't know what you guys go through behind the scenes.

Speaker 19 But he tells us what to do all the time.

Speaker 24 He's the public master, yeah.

Speaker 87 Well, that's fine. And yet, he can't tell you exactly what to say when it's time to say it.
And right away, I'm in your flow right now. And

Speaker 87 it's really a beautiful place to be because it's magic.

Speaker 87 You have it. And I don't know why you have it.
You could thank God or you could thank

Speaker 87 you could thank the gods of barstool. I don't know.

Speaker 87 Something happened that connected the two of you, and you play off each other, and you're comfortable with the flow of this, and you don't step on each other.

Speaker 87 And I don't know if you ever fight off the air, whatever. You probably do because I did with Stephen A.

Speaker 87 occasionally, because it's what happens when you're doing this, although you guys don't do it at the sort of gopher-the throat level that we did. But the point is, I just knew right away

Speaker 87 that he liked me, that turned into loved me. me.
So, right?

Speaker 60 Yeah, and it all, I love that answer because chemistry is the most important thing.

Speaker 42 Um, we don't really fight off-air.

Speaker 40 The only time we ever really had was the dip spit.

Speaker 19 The dip spit. I accidentally left a bottle of dip spit.

Speaker 46 I used to, yeah, and it was all the way to the full.

Speaker 24 But it might not have been my bottom.

Speaker 72 It had no capital.

Speaker 19 But it also might not have been my bottom.

Speaker 87 Okay, but real quick, so would there ever be a show

Speaker 87 where

Speaker 87 BitCat thinks that

Speaker 87 PFT jumped in too much?

Speaker 19 We've never thought about anything like that. No,

Speaker 19 not like to the point of arguing about something on the show.

Speaker 96 I mean, I'll say this, we've been doing this for eight plus years.

Speaker 86 There's definitely shows where I'll walk away and be like, oh, that wasn't our best, but we consistently are doing it every time.

Speaker 12 And there's also a lot of shows where I'm like, we'll say it out loud, like, that was a great show.

Speaker 23 Like, we hit everything.

Speaker 12 We were in the flow.

Speaker 28 So, Mike, I'm very curious because what you said was kind of beautiful about chemistry, and I believe in it big time.

Speaker 12 What we have here is special and i i don't take that for granted you're now though kind of going out on your own so is there part of you that is going to miss that and are you a little not scared because i don't think you probably ever get scared uh maybe if charles barkley showed up to your door you might get scared we can get to that later but my wife would handle him

Speaker 86 yeah shout out ernestine uh is there though a piece of you that's like i i don't know if i want to do this solo because i don't have that foil someone to go back and forth with, play tennis almost.

Speaker 87 Also a good question because

Speaker 87 now ironically, I'm coming after you guys. Like I want to do what you did.
I did the linear TV at the highest level and

Speaker 87 I needed another challenge and this is it. You were in the right space at the right time and you guys are extraordinary.

Speaker 87 Not just you guys, but the whole barstool universe is extraordinary what you have achieved in in a fairly short time

Speaker 87 so maybe i'm a little late to the party but i need to be late to the party because i need that challenge and i found over the last two years on linear tv as those ratings start to erode slowly but surely that people want video they want digital and i was reaching far more people with my videos, with my tweets, than I was on linear television.

Speaker 87 And it was an eye-opener to me till this was two years ago. I'm saying, I got to go do this.

Speaker 87 And yet, I got to take baby steps because the hardest thing I'm finding right now is to find the right foil figure. I'm still doing my solo podcast.
I just go solo for an hour.

Speaker 87 I don't know if anybody does that on the internet the way I do it. And it's fine.
And it's,

Speaker 87 I can scratch the itch, but we are now trying to develop three or four different shows, an interview show, a debate show.

Speaker 87 I'm even thinking very strongly, every time I had Ernestine on air with me on Undisputed, the ratings went through the roof.

Speaker 87 And we're thinking about she and I doing a show together because she is a live wire fireball.

Speaker 87 She is the only one who will shut me down.

Speaker 87 So we're thinking about even trying that.

Speaker 87 But the foil figure for the debate show has been very difficult for me me to find so far right and we are scouring the the backwaters yeah yeah so and and you you obviously leave fs1 uh

Speaker 67 you know what is it a month or two ago yeah um the ending with shannon people talk about are there any regrets there uh because obviously there was it felt like what you were talking about where pft and i we don't fight off air but it felt like it was kind of a real fight on air at times and and viewers can see that and feel that and that's where it might turn a little bit.

Speaker 87 Yeah, I understand that. Yeah,

Speaker 87 trust me on this, I love that guy, and we were together for seven years

Speaker 87 in a very different way than you guys are together because we took it up a notch from Stephen A and I. Because, in the end, Stephen A is more of a showman, an entertainer.
So,

Speaker 87 our debates could be a little sillier than the ex-pro football player now in the Hall of Fame versus me because I do know football and I would take it to whatever depth Shannon wanted to go to on X and O football.

Speaker 87 Wherever he wanted to go, I'll go there because

Speaker 87 I learned from a lot of great people in this business. I learned from Don Shula.
and Bill Walsh and Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson.

Speaker 87 I know football. I don't know the jargon that Shannon knows about 22-man and Bomb Blitz and whatever the Denver Broncos used or the Baltimore Ravens used for jargon, but

Speaker 87 we would get into it about football and he would get miffed occasionally that I would dare to go that deep with him about football when I didn't play football. And

Speaker 87 I've said this from day one.

Speaker 87 My experience debating pro football or basketball players is the greater they were at playing, sometimes the less they actually can explain about why that or that or that happened.

Speaker 87 Because not that they didn't work hard, but it came so naturally to them that they can't see or feel exactly why it works.

Speaker 87 See Michael Jordan as the team builder in Charlotte, who was the biggest disaster of a general manager in the history of sports, the greatest performer and player in the history of sports, was the worst team builder in the history of sports for low those many years in Charlotte because he couldn't see why he can play and he can't because he was too supremely gifted at what he did.

Speaker 87 Yeah, okay, so we would clash occasionally on the football part. Don't you understand? I'm in the hall.
Yeah, I get it.

Speaker 87 I understand, but that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion that's correct about whether he can or can't play.

Speaker 87 So,

Speaker 87 my point is, I loved every minute with Shannon, but

Speaker 87 we took it to levels of supreme debate, where it went right to the edge and occasionally slightly over the edge of competitive,

Speaker 87 to where we got mad at each other. And by the seventh year, it's a long time, man.
We had some great runs.

Speaker 87 We did some big ratings numbers, trust me, that will never be touched again in FS1 history, I doubt. God bless them, but I doubt it.

Speaker 87 But the point was that, yeah, in year seven, did we fray a little bit? Sure, we did.

Speaker 87 But I fought for him to stay. And

Speaker 87 I don't know what happened between Shannon and the people upstairs because I was not privy.

Speaker 87 But he went before I went.

Speaker 87 And

Speaker 87 it tore me apart. I did not want him to go.
And I told him the last day I sat with him in his dressing room and I said, I envy you because you're going to get to go do what I want to do.

Speaker 87 I still had a year left on my deal. And he got pushed out the back door and it tore me up and I missed him.

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Speaker 12 So, so what would happen when you would go?

Speaker 22 I like the idea of supreme debate, by the way.

Speaker 14 It's almost like Nirvana. You've reached the higher path.

Speaker 46 It's like the ayahuasca of debate.

Speaker 12 You've gone through the wall.

Speaker 39 But what would happen when it would get frayed a little?

Speaker 78 Like the famous, obviously the Tom Brady, that moment.

Speaker 87 That was the moment. Yeah, that was the moment.

Speaker 12 But what happens after the cameras are off? Is it

Speaker 24 fuck you, fuck you? Is it don't talk for a while? Like,

Speaker 28 tell us, as viewers,

Speaker 73 how that comes back together a little bit, or did it not come back together?

Speaker 87 I showed him from day one in 2016, shortly after you guys had started.

Speaker 87 Our first day was September 6th, 2016. You were March

Speaker 87 26 months old.

Speaker 87 So you're about six months.

Speaker 87 I tried to make him understand because I hand-picked him because I really thought he could do this and he can do it and did do it because Shannon works hard at the craft.

Speaker 87 He was always prepared and always on time.

Speaker 87 and always there for me. And I love him for that.
And I will be forever grateful

Speaker 87 to him for what he gave gave to me for seven great years,

Speaker 87 or maybe six and a half-ish, because now to these incidents, the one.

Speaker 87 Okay, so

Speaker 87 I think I misunderstood some of what he was saying, but what we're talking about Brady, and I'm a Brady fan. I don't even know Tom Brady, but

Speaker 87 he won seven of these.

Speaker 87 And I can make a case, he should have won eight because I still don't understand why Bill Belichick benched Malcolm Butler for the Philly Super Bowl. I don't get it.

Speaker 87 I've not heard a rational, reasonable explanation of what happened, but he played the most snaps on defense, and then he doesn't play any snaps in the Super Bowl, and I don't get it.

Speaker 87 Something must have happened behind the scenes, but both Tom and Malcolm said nothing happened behind the scenes. My point is

Speaker 87 it's hard to rip that. It's hard to

Speaker 87 criticize that as savagely as Shannon Shannon began to criticize Tom Brady. And I just couldn't get it.
And so at one point he says to me, you do understand I'm in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 87 And I said,

Speaker 87 yeah,

Speaker 87 but you're not in this guy's universe. He won seven Super Bowls.
Nobody's in his universe. And Shannon got mad about somehow I'm disparaging his career.

Speaker 87 Well, no, he won three Super Bowls and he's in the Hall of Fame. And there was some misunderstanding to it,

Speaker 87 but there was no lingering fight about it. And when we went to commercial,

Speaker 87 I tried to show him from day one, when we go to commercial, I am letting all of it go.

Speaker 87 I'm passionate about it, but I also know the show must go on. So I'm going to walk away for a second, as I always did.
I walked over to my little desk and I began to prep for our next debate.

Speaker 87 And I let it go.

Speaker 87 People who ran the show decided we should maybe sit down after that one, and we did. And we had a great talk about about it, and we hugged and went on to the next day.
So we were really good. Yeah.

Speaker 87 We got through it, but that was the only day I can remember where he actually got mad on the air. You could see it.

Speaker 53 And that's where it gets uncomfortable, where it's like the chemistry.

Speaker 87 And I told you, once you cross that line, audience is like, yeah, we're out.

Speaker 98 Yeah.

Speaker 19 So that's the danger you run when you do supreme debate.

Speaker 87 That's supreme debate.

Speaker 87 And I needed ayahuasca after that.

Speaker 117 You've reached levels that no man has ever reached.

Speaker 19 So Shannon leaves, and like we talked about, you're trying to find your foil. Good luck with that.

Speaker 19 I really hope, I mean, in my own personal dreams, I would hope that at some point you and Stephen A., somewhere down the line, could link back up again. You never know.

Speaker 19 What's the percentage chance of that happening?

Speaker 87 I have no idea. We tried in 2020.
To his credit, my deal was up after my first four years. So I've been there from 2016 to 2020.

Speaker 87 And

Speaker 87 he did his darndest and I did my damnedest to reunite with him.

Speaker 87 And they did make an offer and I was unaware I had a matching clause somewhere at the very bottom in very fine print of my contract that was standard to all contracts.

Speaker 87 I was told I had one at ESPN that I was not aware of.

Speaker 87 And not only did Fox match, they did sweeten the pot. Thank you to Lachlan Murdoch for that.

Speaker 87 So they tried to make it happier for me to stay, but I tried everything in my power to rejoin him because I missed him dearly.

Speaker 87 No disrespect to Shannon. I'd done four years with Shannon.
I wanted to go back with Stephen A.

Speaker 87 And then

Speaker 87 ESPN came up with a second idea of a hybrid show

Speaker 87 whereby I would stay on Undisputed, he would stay on First Take, but every afternoon we would reunite for 30 or 45 minutes to do ESPN Plus together, digital show.

Speaker 87 And we tried and tried to make it happen. And it's just there are too many egos involved on both sides to actually.

Speaker 49 That would be messy.

Speaker 19 Two competitors, you know, Fox doesn't want to give anything to the other side.

Speaker 87 They don't, and vice versa. So that never got off the ground.

Speaker 19 Well, I hope you find somebody. I hope you find your next foil.
And I hope that foil is Stephen A. Smith somehow.
Thank you. But Shannon goes on.
He's obviously done really well at ESPN on his own.

Speaker 19 Did you happen to see his Instagram live?

Speaker 87 I did not.

Speaker 19 You heard about the Instagram live?

Speaker 87 I heard about it, but

Speaker 87 give me some details. Okay.

Speaker 24 He was engaged with an activity. Oh, yeah, you're going to actually enjoy it.
I thought we were going to be enacting. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 24 Oh, mmm. Ugh.
Mm-hmm. Puppy.
Puppy.

Speaker 19 And it was like that for about 20 minutes.

Speaker 59 I can't believe we just did that for a skip.

Speaker 87 It was very authentic.

Speaker 43 Yeah, there was a lot of that.

Speaker 24 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 67 But you didn't see anything.

Speaker 19 You didn't see anything. It was audio only.

Speaker 19 When I saw it, I was like, I need to turn on notifications for Skip Bayless because I thought you might have a take about it when you first saw it.

Speaker 24 So do you have a take about it?

Speaker 12 Now that you've heard it from us?

Speaker 87 I have no take about it.

Speaker 87 Do you guys have a take about it?

Speaker 19 I think it's a perfectly normal activity

Speaker 19 that Healthy Male was engaged in, and both parties seem to be enjoying themselves. I'll buy that.

Speaker 72 And if you need to hear it again, I feel like you maybe want to hear it again so that you can have a take about it.

Speaker 24 No,

Speaker 24 I'll wait until later today. Okay,

Speaker 87 or maybe tomorrow.

Speaker 19 Just be careful with your phone.

Speaker 46 Yeah, be careful with your phone.

Speaker 19 It might just go live at any given time, and we'll never know.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 19 But yeah, I hope you find whoever that next foil is doing the podcast by yourself. You said you did it for an hour.
So it's just an hour of

Speaker 26 takes.

Speaker 87 Straight takes, hard, long form.

Speaker 87 Bearing my soul, emptying my heart. All the passion spills.

Speaker 87 And

Speaker 87 I've been doing it for a couple of years. I kind of did it with my left hand at Fox just to have some outlet, something else besides Undisputed.

Speaker 87 And yet my greater passions lie in all these other shows that we are developing.

Speaker 19 Did you find that over the years your

Speaker 19 enjoyment of sports has increased or increased?

Speaker 19 I love that because you talk to a lot of people in the business and they say, like, after being around it for so long,

Speaker 19 you're getting either burned out or you get numb to it. I like hearing that you're getting more excited by sports.

Speaker 24 I mean, my God,

Speaker 87 I watched Vanderbilt University beat Alabama, and it was the greatest moment of my sports watching existence on this planet to where I felt a joy that I'm getting goosebumps as we speak.

Speaker 87 that that lingers, that continues on through the week for me. I felt a satisfaction that that I could spill out in my podcast that dropped this morning that I've never felt watching a game.
And

Speaker 87 I'm still going strong, you know, like

Speaker 87 those things are happening. They're still out there.

Speaker 87 I was watching the Dodger game last night and they used eight pitchers.

Speaker 84 And I'm thinking, you can't do that.

Speaker 87 I grew up in an era with Bob Gibson going nine every night in two hours and two minutes.

Speaker 87 And I'm watching Dave Roberts use eight bullpen you know he's going one inning one point one inning and I'm thinking this is absurd the the way the evolution has changed in this game so I'm fascinated I can't I can't stop talking about all these things that drive your lives right right right

Speaker 65 is there a take or an opinion that you wish you had back or one that you're like man that was dumb or do you you just always look forward, never look at it?

Speaker 87 I would tell you the truth. I'm telling you from my soul, I have no regrets.
If you have one you want to throw at me, I got a bunch.

Speaker 12 Derek Fisher will prove to be a much better NBA Higg coach than Steve Kerr.

Speaker 87 Okay. I love Derek Fisher.
And I still believe in.

Speaker 76 Steve Kerr's won a lot of titles.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 87 Okay.

Speaker 87 What year was that? Help me. That was

Speaker 86 2014.

Speaker 24 Okay.

Speaker 87 I still believe in Derrick Fisher, right place, right time.

Speaker 24 I just do.

Speaker 19 Here's the thing, Big Cat's not going to say, at that time, he could have been right. Yeah, yeah, you figure out everything's wrong in the benefit of hindsight.
All right, here's one.

Speaker 53 Mantai Teo, the next Ray Lewis.

Speaker 87 Yeah, I didn't know about the fishing incident that was about to happen.

Speaker 24 That's right, so you weren't familiar with the change.

Speaker 46 Yeah, like there was material change.

Speaker 24 All right, I like how you're, this is good.

Speaker 87 Okay, like Johnny Manzel, I thought he could go to Cleveland and take the town over to where he'd be bigger than LeBron James ultimately because football is way bigger than basketball in Cleveland, Ohio.

Speaker 87 And yet I said repeatedly on the air, and my bosses did not like it, I said, if he ever has drug or alcohol problems that plague him going forward into the NFL, because I had heard lots of stories, I said, I'm out.

Speaker 87 Yeah. So he did, and I was out.
That was smart.

Speaker 12 What about this one?

Speaker 116 Long-term, give me Josh Freeman over Cam.

Speaker 90 Better leader, more consistent passer, more more clutch, more poised under fire, more careful with the ball.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 87 Love Josh Freeman at Kansas State and loved, you know, they went 10 and 6 at 10 by seconds.

Speaker 24 He was just wriggling out of his face.

Speaker 46 I'm not wriggling.

Speaker 24 I'm telling you.

Speaker 49 Wait, what year was that?

Speaker 73 That was 2012. Okay.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 49 He also,

Speaker 19 I'm trying to take your side as Ms.

Speaker 87 Substance abuse. Yeah, see, this is like, this is watching.

Speaker 46 But I can't know that.

Speaker 60 Yeah, no, you can't know that.

Speaker 24 It's material change.

Speaker 19 But also, also, Cam Newton won an MVP in what he did in 2015.

Speaker 49 That was pretty good.

Speaker 90 That was pretty good.

Speaker 52 That was pretty good.

Speaker 73 Cam Newton was pretty clutch.

Speaker 78 He won a Heisman.

Speaker 74 That was a pretty crazy year.

Speaker 14 He won a national title with not a great auburn.

Speaker 19 And then he started dabbing.

Speaker 87 He won another one

Speaker 87 on the junior college level.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 103 Yeah, he was pretty good. I mean,

Speaker 20 I like that you're able to...

Speaker 73 You're able to find your way out of all these.

Speaker 87 No, I just, I can't know. If they have off-the-field issues that are going to derail them, if you saw Josh Freeman beat Texas at Texas when he was at Kansas State and they were nothing,

Speaker 87 he was impressed. You're a college guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 19 Yeah, no, Josh Freeman, I like college.

Speaker 46 I like it.

Speaker 87 And that year, he's a pro bowler and they're 10-6, and I'm sure that's when I tweeted that.

Speaker 40 I am a college guy.

Speaker 99 Cam was really good in college.

Speaker 87 He was. He had the issue at Florida that got him kicked out of Florida, right?

Speaker 60 Yeah, but he was really good in college.

Speaker 19 I think Cam Newton has seen that last year at Auburn, that might have been the best season of any college player of all time.

Speaker 24 If you make the case, yeah, but you didn't see Josh Reen.

Speaker 19 But Josh Green was also very good. He was second, he was number two.

Speaker 12 What about, so where are we at with LeBron right now?

Speaker 107 Now, I'm MJ over LeBron, but where, what does LeBron have to do for the rest of his career to maybe get a little bit of respect?

Speaker 76 Respect.

Speaker 87 I mean, he's got respect. He's got respect.
Listen, I still call LeBron the best passer in basketball. To this day, to this moment, he's the best passer in basketball.

Speaker 87 He is the greatest driver of the basketball I have ever witnessed on any level at any time.

Speaker 87 The poor man was just born without a clutch gene, and we see it again and again and again. So all of my LeBron debates have always been in the context that you started this question with.
Yeah.

Speaker 87 MJ or LeBron. Stop it.

Speaker 87 Don't even go there because it's offensive to me you would put those two in the same sentence because LeBron could not carry Jordan's sneakers and Mike's got a lot of sneakers to carry, right?

Speaker 87 So

Speaker 87 where is he now?

Speaker 87 He's played 20,000 plus more minutes than MJ played, 20,000 more minutes than Michael Jordan played, and he's the greatest scorer in the history of basketball, even though he's a 74% free throw shooter for his career, which is pathetic given his magnitude as a scorer.

Speaker 87 As a three-point shooter, he's at 34.8%,

Speaker 87 which among active players ranks in the 200s, and among all players all time ranks in the 700s of three-point shooting.

Speaker 87 Yet, he's the greatest scorer ever because of longevity, because he has stayed healthier at a high level.

Speaker 87 He's obviously supremely gifted as a driver of the basketball, so he leads the world in scoring while he's a poor three-point and a poor free throw shooter.

Speaker 87 And the second is more inexcusable because they're called free throws for a reason. They are free shots from 15 feet unguarded.
And Michael Jordan made 84% career from the free throw line.

Speaker 87 LeBron's at 74%.

Speaker 87 Larry Bird shot 89% for his career because they're called free throws. Look how many points LeBron has left on the table over the years.
So that debate ended long ago.

Speaker 87 And yet, I remind you, we've seen back-to-back Denver series, L.A. Denver series, in which in fourth quarters, LeBron has been more pathetic than ever.

Speaker 19 No clutch gene.

Speaker 87 Yeah, no clutch gene.

Speaker 19 What is the clutch gene?

Speaker 87 It's being able to take and make the shot at the moment to win the game.

Speaker 19 And Jordan obviously had the clutch gene.

Speaker 87 The greatest ever.

Speaker 19 LeBron, no clutch gene.

Speaker 19 What about LeBron's other titles? What about Cleveland?

Speaker 49 Deli.

Speaker 19 Deli carried him.

Speaker 24 Well, no.

Speaker 87 I mean, LeBron's a great player. I mean, he's obviously a very gifted passer and all-around player, but he needs somebody else to take and make the Kyrie shot that won game seven at Oakland, right?

Speaker 87 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 19 So

Speaker 19 here's an interesting thought experiment. We're not going to do LeBron versus MJ one-on-one right now, but what about MJ right now? How old is he? Is he 55, 65?

Speaker 58 No, his 50th birthday was

Speaker 24 like 50. I'm not sure.

Speaker 41 Oh, no, he might have been his 60th birthday.

Speaker 24 Yeah, I think I think he's right. He might be around.
He's 64.

Speaker 19 Let's just say Michael Jordan right now. Okay.
He's 64.

Speaker 115 Let's see. 61.

Speaker 19 61. 61-year-old Michael Jordan, one-on-one against Bronny.

Speaker 19 Who wins?

Speaker 87 That's amazing.

Speaker 87 Fascinating. Yeah.

Speaker 87 Mike would just out intangible him, excuse me, intangible him. He would out-trash-talk him.
And by the way,

Speaker 87 I love Bronnie because they raised him right. He's such a great kid.
And Bron's a very good father.

Speaker 24 Hey. Yeah.
Come on.

Speaker 46 You can see it. Hey.

Speaker 87 It's manifested itself in number one son. I mean, what a great kid.
J.J. Reddick keeps saying he's so coachable.
And yet,

Speaker 87 it's ripping my guts out to watch Bronny through the summer league when he didn't even belong in summer league, let alone G-League.

Speaker 87 And now I kept saying, okay, maybe when he's alongside his father, it'll bring out the best in Bronny because he got raised around all the superstars. Maybe he'll rise to that occasion.

Speaker 87 So now I've seen 14, 13-minute stints in two preseason games, and it's summer league all over again. I've seen him make one basket late in the first game that he played, a little left-handed layup.

Speaker 87 And I'm like, really? Then I watch him again on the night that he actually is sharing the floor with his father for the first time ever.

Speaker 87 And he plays 14 minutes and he turns it over four times and he scores zero points. And I'm saying, I don't know if he can play.
Seriously, so

Speaker 87 it's everything LeBron has lasted for was to play with his son. And what if his son just can't hack it?

Speaker 87 What if he just doesn't deserve any minutes with the big league team?

Speaker 87 And I know LeBron well enough to tell you it's beneath the family's dignity for Bronny James to play in the G League for the South Bay Lakers. I don't think they want that because it's disgraceful.

Speaker 87 Like it's below who

Speaker 87 their stature that they've earned.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I think it's a very cool moment, though, for

Speaker 19 it's a great story.

Speaker 49 Okay, it's a great story, and then what?

Speaker 44 Okay, then what?

Speaker 87 Can the kid back it up?

Speaker 87 What if he's getting 10 minutes a night and that kid Max Christie, who's starting to come along?

Speaker 87 What if he's going to JJ saying, seriously?

Speaker 87 What if all of a sudden Jared Vanderbilt or

Speaker 87 any of the guys camerettish down the bench, they're going to JJ saying,

Speaker 87 you got to stop this. It's insanity.
You just can't play. Then what happens? Does it start to tear the team apart? Yeah.

Speaker 98 No, it's a fair question.

Speaker 76 It's a fair question.

Speaker 54 Well, I have a couple last questions here because I know you're going to do

Speaker 45 something else in the office.

Speaker 54 One question is, when you were in Bristol,

Speaker 12 you basically renovated a hotel room and got...

Speaker 12 I did.

Speaker 46 Is that right?

Speaker 67 And you got a satellite on top.

Speaker 67 Explain this because this is like

Speaker 84 I'm obsessive about making sure I can watch all the games, but this is to another level.

Speaker 24 Okay.

Speaker 87 So

Speaker 87 they moved our show from New York to Bristol, and I had met my wife Ernestine. We weren't husband and wife, but we were together.
We were living together in Manhattan.

Speaker 87 She had a great job in Manhattan. All of a sudden, I got to go to the mothership two hours away up into central Connecticut.

Speaker 87 And I realized the first day I was there, as I stayed in the Residence Inn, which is in Southington, Connecticut, just down the street from Bristol ESPN,

Speaker 87 I really liked it. So why would I buy a place if they'll pick up the tab? And they said, sure, well, you could stay there as long as you, as long as like 365,

Speaker 24 I'll do it.

Speaker 87 Done. So

Speaker 87 I made it my home away from home. And they loved me so much.
They took care of me. I was there almost like their child upstairs.
I was on the top floor.

Speaker 87 They let me have a satellite dish installed right outside my window on the top floor of the Residence Inn.

Speaker 87 I bought my own furniture. I got my own exercise equipment into the room.
It was a great room. And it was some of the most fun I ever had because they came in and cleaned every day.

Speaker 87 They gave me fresh towels every day.

Speaker 26 I loved it.

Speaker 87 It was some of the happiest days, of course, career-wise. Yeah, yeah.
It was the happiest time. It was incredible, though, getting

Speaker 87 the residence in.

Speaker 87 And so I would go back to new york on friday afternoon and be with ernestine and yet she started to like it so much she started taking my car service car up to bristol for the weekend and do a reverse trip where she would stay with me at the residence in because she enjoyed the people and they're just good good folks i miss a vacation from manhattan like yeah i work in manhattan monday through friday then i leave to get out of the city i go to bristol

Speaker 19 connecticut go to lake compounds water park and the watch museum thank you yeah i miss that.

Speaker 87 Magical place.

Speaker 19 Big Cat alluded to it earlier, but have you ever had the occasion to cross paths with Charles Barkley? Yeah.

Speaker 19 He has said he wants to kick your ass.

Speaker 87 No, he has said way more than that.

Speaker 24 He said he wants to kill you. Kill you on live TV words.

Speaker 19 I think he said on the Dan Patrick show,

Speaker 19 he said, if I'm ever diagnosed with a life-threatening illness, just invite Skip Bayless on the show so I can kill him on live TV.

Speaker 19 So you've never got a chance to meet him.

Speaker 87 This is the closest I got, but I'm pretty sure this wasn't the genesis of all this because I was just a columnist in Dallas, Texas for the Dallas Morning News, or maybe the Times-Herald at this point.

Speaker 87 Spud Webb, then big NBA star, won the Slam Dunk contest, good friend of mine.

Speaker 87 Players

Speaker 87 honored him and respected him so much that he would put on a big All-Star game every summer in Dallas, and everybody would come. Magic would come, Bird would come, Charles Barkley would come.

Speaker 87 And occasionally, I was asked to be a celebrity coach of a team, but I would actually have to make substitutions with the players. So one year Charles was on my team.

Speaker 87 I tried to introduce myself to Charles before the game and he was uninterested in whoever the hell I was.

Speaker 87 And yet

Speaker 87 I did have to take him in and out of the game. So true story.

Speaker 87 Near the end of the game, I leaned over and said, Charles, you want to go back in?

Speaker 87 I'd like to try to win the game. And he said, brother, I want to win the game too, but my shit hurts.
And I'm like, okay, fine.

Speaker 87 And I put somebody else in, and it was, who was the, shoot, I just went blank on the Kentucky, the white kid

Speaker 87 shooter. Rex Chapman.
Rex Chapman. So I put Rex Chapman in in place of Charles and Rex Chapman hit the game winner.
That's a true story.

Speaker 19 Sony Ku Coach Scotty Pipper. That's right.

Speaker 49 It was.

Speaker 87 Bingo. So that was as close as I ever got to Charles.

Speaker 87 And then as soon as I started doing this and that for ESPN in the early 2000s, he started on his tirades against me on back in the day, Leno and Letterman and Dan Patrick.

Speaker 87 And I I have no idea, but it got so bad that my wife Ernestine and her mother, God rest her soul, when she was alive, started to take it very personally because

Speaker 87 their point to me was there might be one psycho out there who listens to Charles and idolizes Charles and decides to do Charles's bidding and take you out.

Speaker 87 So you've got to figure out some way to get him to stop using the K word. He can rip and slash all he wants.
I don't care.

Speaker 87 And I used to publicly thank Charles because he hung on every word I said on television and I appreciated that. He was our most loyal fan of our show.

Speaker 87 But I finally went on my podcast a year and a half ago and just beseeched him to please stop using the K-word just for the sake of my wife and her mom.

Speaker 24 And did he?

Speaker 87 And I'm pretty sure he has. I don't like monitor it

Speaker 87 on a daily basis.

Speaker 87 I think he quit the K-word. Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 49 Yeah, that's, yeah.

Speaker 19 Maybe one day we can bury the hatchet between you two. Because you're right, it sounds like he does listen to what you say.
Yeah. He gets mad at you.

Speaker 87 I have no idea. I don't get what his issue is with me.
And yet, we would have Kenny Smith on, had him on a couple of times on first take, and he would always say, you guys are too much alike.

Speaker 87 And I'd be like, Me and Charles are alike. But he said, Just opinion-wise, he wants his opinion to be the opinion, and he hears yours, and maybe he thinks, God, I wish I'd thought of that or whatever.

Speaker 87 Maybe there's some jealousy or resentment. I don't know, but I got nothing against Charles whatsoever.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I think people will ask us because on Wednesday's episode, our guest was Troy Aikman. So he was just on.
Where are we at with Troy? Are things better? Are things worse?

Speaker 24 Have we gotten in touch?

Speaker 87 We're friendly

Speaker 87 about my book that I wrote? Yeah,

Speaker 19 did you imply or did you say he was gay?

Speaker 87 I did not say. You didn't read it.
No, no, no.

Speaker 24 We don't read.

Speaker 87 I understand. And I respect and appreciate that.
Thank you for listening to me.

Speaker 87 If you had read

Speaker 87 my book, you would love the way I portrayed Troy in my book because

Speaker 87 Troy was the hero of that book. I liked my portrayal of him that I signed a book and hand-delivered it, the very first copy of my book, to Troy on the

Speaker 87 camp practice field at St. Edwards University in Austin, Texas.
First day of camp, practice ended. I took my book up and gave it to him.

Speaker 87 And I was shocked that originally he did not like it, but we have come back around

Speaker 87 and he's been nothing but great to me. And we text, and I did catch your show with him, and I thought he was great.
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 87 And he did it because he loves Joe Buck like a brother, and Joe loves you guys and loves being on your show. And so it was clear to me

Speaker 87 he was cool with you because you're so cool with Joe.

Speaker 76 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 Um, all right, so I had one last question.

Speaker 115 This has been great, Skip.

Speaker 33 We really appreciate you coming in.

Speaker 30 Man, I'll tell you what, when you're hungry out there, you start acting like a rookie quarterback in his first game, making bad decisions, messing up the basics, being all out of sorts.

Speaker 127 That's where Snickers comes in, man. That thing is packed.
Roasted peanuts, nugget, caramel, milk chocolate.

Speaker 127 It's like the the mvp of candy bars and when you bite into it boom it sorts you out gets your head back in the game of life satisfying your hunger remember this snickers handles your hunger so you can handle everything else snickers satisfies man that's a winning play uh 72 years old yep going on 32 but yep i mean it is you have more energy than everyone here uh

Speaker 12 how many more years you got

Speaker 87 i in i i don't know i never think about that.

Speaker 24 Honestly, I don't.

Speaker 117 So we could have like a Skip Bayless 90-year-old screaming about

Speaker 65 LeBron's grandchildren.

Speaker 24 You could.

Speaker 87 I hope I'm screaming about Bronnie,

Speaker 87 but it doesn't feel right at this point. No, because it feels like

Speaker 19 you're not going to stop doing what you do because, like you said, that is your life. It's my life.
There's no retirement for Skip Bayless.

Speaker 87 I don't even think, like, my wife, every time somebody brings that up somewhere, we see it somewhere, she just laughs out loud at it. Like, they don't get you.
Like, no. Yeah.

Speaker 87 No, that's the last thing in your universe is, I want to gear down. I want to gear up.

Speaker 38 I love it. Yeah.

Speaker 38 Get back to the supreme debate.

Speaker 28 Supreme debate.

Speaker 46 No one's ever done it before.

Speaker 120 Yeah, you're like a guru.

Speaker 19 You like live at the top of a mountain and occasionally people walk up the steps. How do I achieve supreme debates?

Speaker 103 I love the idea of supreme debate.

Speaker 75 You and Shannon reach debate levels that have never been reached in the world.

Speaker 87 We did. Yeah, actually.

Speaker 87 And we took it right to that tiniest razor's edge.

Speaker 70 It was dangerous.

Speaker 87 And then we're like teetering on the razor's edge, and then we slip and we cut our foot.

Speaker 19 People think they want to reach Supreme Debate, but if you're not prepared for it,

Speaker 19 it will end in a disaster.

Speaker 19 You would send somebody out

Speaker 19 on a surfboard and send them to Portugal during the storm and be like, yeah, go learn how to surf.

Speaker 87 And seriously,

Speaker 87 when you reach that level with Stephen A and then Shannon,

Speaker 87 once you've been there, you're going to love those two humans like you've never loved anybody the rest of your born days because

Speaker 87 you went someplace with them, no one's ever gone. Right, right.

Speaker 62 You have something in common with them that no other human, it's almost like the guys who walked on the moon.

Speaker 53 Like, there's only a few of them.

Speaker 87 It's beyond that. Yeah, right, right.

Speaker 20 Like, you can only relate to those guys.

Speaker 19 It's like tantric debate almost.

Speaker 120 Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 19 Do you ever miss writing?

Speaker 87 I'm going to write a book. I'm just about ready to start it about my wild ride through television.
So

Speaker 87 I do miss it, and

Speaker 87 I'm going to reach hard for it very soon. All right.

Speaker 87 Okay.

Speaker 24 We'll skip. We'll read it.
Yeah. Thank you.

Speaker 84 Thank you so much for coming. This has been great.

Speaker 27 Anytime you're in the city, we'd love to have you back on.

Speaker 73 So good luck with everything and really, really appreciate it.

Speaker 87 It's been a pleasure. I feel like I went into your supreme place with you guys today that very few get to occupy.

Speaker 87 So I feel like it's been

Speaker 87 tantric.

Speaker 24 Yeah, it's tantric. You can do the Shannon Sharp thing again if you want.
No.

Speaker 24 Also, I was right, by the way.

Speaker 61 I do have a tweet where you said MJ versus LeBron, who would win in horse.

Speaker 23 So I was right. Horse?

Speaker 22 Yeah, you said horse.

Speaker 87 I don't think we did it on the air.

Speaker 87 I just remember doing one-on-one. Yep.

Speaker 46 Yeah, I have horse.

Speaker 34 What about this?

Speaker 52 I have horse.

Speaker 19 What if LeBron retires and you just... Well, in

Speaker 24 horse.

Speaker 52 In horse,

Speaker 87 you couldn't Mike just go to the free throw line and start shooting free throw line.

Speaker 24 So the question is, why would you have that debate?

Speaker 56 Because it's so clear that who would win that.

Speaker 87 What year was that?

Speaker 12 Hold on, let me find it.

Speaker 87 You've dug deep.

Speaker 67 Yeah.

Speaker 73 All right, so this was 2020, April 6th.

Speaker 5 So on COVID, you said this will be an all-time great who wins a game of horse between Jordan in his prime and LeBron in his life.

Speaker 87 I wish you were on air many times we did one-on-one.

Speaker 20 I know, but you did horse.

Speaker 24 That's also, now that I'm looking at it, that's cool. You got me.
You got me. You needed something to do.
You're right.

Speaker 87 You finally won a debate from me. There we go.

Speaker 24 Right there. There we go.
I've defeated.

Speaker 46 I've done what's going on.

Speaker 24 Congratulations.

Speaker 19 You have LeBron on as your co-host.

Speaker 87 I congratulate both of you for all your success, and may it continue for many years. Thank you.
Thank you.

Speaker 49 Okay.

Speaker 24 Thank you, Skip.

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Speaker 24 Okay,

Speaker 27 Firefest of the week. Let's wrap it up.

Speaker 10 Henry.

Speaker 39 Everything's good?

Speaker 66 Yeah, nothing crazy in the marathon. I mean, trying to, the marathon is, it's a long route.
It's directly,

Speaker 66 it blocks off every way for me to get to the office. I'm just going to have to drive like 20 miles out of the way.

Speaker 35 Why don't you park your car in a spot that you can get it on Saturday night?

Speaker 6 Did you think about that?

Speaker 66 Overnight?

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 24 I could do that.

Speaker 114 Just find a garage.

Speaker 63 I mean, you just then just walk to your car on Sunday morning.

Speaker 114 Or stay at Max's. Super Bowl.

Speaker 46 Because Max's Super Bowl.

Speaker 24 Super Bowl.

Speaker 19 Why did you say Super Bowl?

Speaker 47 Because the night before the Super Bowl, I stayed

Speaker 47 in Hank's extra bed.

Speaker 24 Yeah. Because

Speaker 47 I was too drunk to get back to your room.

Speaker 44 Correct. Which was down the hall?

Speaker 19 No, that was when I slept.

Speaker 66 And you didn't sleep on the bed. You slept on the couch, even though there was an extra bed.

Speaker 49 Super Bowl.

Speaker 19 In your puke shirt.

Speaker 47 And my puke shirt.

Speaker 49 And the pants. The pants.

Speaker 40 No, the pants you put on the next day.

Speaker 69 Yeah, I think the pants. And you lost your phone.

Speaker 14 I did those. And one thing about you is that you could beat the fuck out of Hank.

Speaker 24 We don't have to talk about that loss.

Speaker 47 We already talked about enough loss.

Speaker 57 What loss was that if I looked at the tweet?

Speaker 19 I have it right here. Do you want me to say? Yeah.
Okay, so. This is Firefest.
2022, Phillies blow World Series after 2-1 Series lead. Also, they got no hit in that World Series.
Yep.

Speaker 19 2023, the Union lose in overtime. The Eagles blow second half lead in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 40 That's what it was.

Speaker 19 Okay, yeah, that was the one. Yeah.

Speaker 11 His hands and his fingers hit his ears again.

Speaker 55 What, memes?

Speaker 98 Uh, you could relive that on our YouTube. There's a vlog about it.
There's also a vlog coming out tonight, or should be out right now, about Max recapping the film.

Speaker 46 And Rumble.

Speaker 98 And Rumble.

Speaker 72 Yeah.

Speaker 48 Thanks, memes. Thanks, memes.

Speaker 70 Hank, that's your only Firefest?

Speaker 43 Is that you don't know how to get here on Sunday?

Speaker 66 Well, I was also upset about

Speaker 66 everyone hating on me and everyone saying I don't care and just all the hate online. And then I watched

Speaker 66 the NBA Starting Five documentary.

Speaker 66 Current guest, Joe Missoula, was one of the talking heads on it, wearing the Boston Barcelona hat. Love to see it.
Best friend.

Speaker 66 And they asked him about Tatum dealing with hate, and his response was very Missoula-esque. He was like, you mean he gets to deal with it?

Speaker 24 That's what you want. You also want to just get it.

Speaker 66 You want to be in that situation where you're getting the hate

Speaker 66 on one of the best teams. That's what's going to happen.
Man in the arena. He gets the privilege.
And that gave me perspective.

Speaker 2 I also would like to come to Hank's defense here.

Speaker 55 We've been doing this show for a very long time.

Speaker 22 I think the beauty of the show is that we're not all the same.

Speaker 41 And PFT and I obviously are obsessed with football.

Speaker 78 Hank, maybe not obsessed with all things football,

Speaker 61 but that's the beauty of it.

Speaker 108 We have a guy who may be not obsessed with all things football.

Speaker 60 We have a dog in the booth.

Speaker 22 We have a guy who's angry trying to actively do a mutiny.

Speaker 69 And we have a big baby that won't talk about his teams anymore.

Speaker 49 We're from all different.

Speaker 34 Yeah, we're from just different. I'm talking.

Speaker 47 I'm just saying that they're bad.

Speaker 24 We're just different.

Speaker 5 We're different people.

Speaker 34 That's the beauty of the show. Yeah.

Speaker 97 We can't all be the same.

Speaker 19 That would suck. So, Max, what we can't have you do, we can't have you turn to Hank, where after a loss, you just don't talk.

Speaker 60 That would be the worst. Oh, we already talked about it at the beginning.

Speaker 19 That's true.

Speaker 47 I got things to say. Oh.

Speaker 46 All right, good, good, good.

Speaker 24 Oh, no, that sounded like a threat.

Speaker 48 I like it. I just have thoughts.

Speaker 19 I like it. I like fiery Max.

Speaker 24 Okay.

Speaker 77 Good Firefest, Hank. And I have your back.
Thanks.

Speaker 52 People just. we're at the point.

Speaker 54 I actually think this is partially the election coming up.

Speaker 63 I've had this theory that just everyone, I don't know why this thing is broken.

Speaker 49 I should stop playing with it.

Speaker 24 Everyone just gets way more on edge in election year, but we're at the point now where there are, we have millions of people listening to the show, and 99.9% of them enjoy the show.

Speaker 75 And then there's 0.01 that will find every little thing to hate or nitpick.

Speaker 114 You just can't listen to them.

Speaker 66 Yeah, but I want to be like, I don't care what they they say. Then I'm like, wait, that plays into the whole thing of not caring.
But I really just.

Speaker 24 Yeah.

Speaker 40 What were you going to say?

Speaker 47 Meme just keeps asking is the mutiny.

Speaker 24 Is the mutiny off now? Off. No, the mutiny's still on.

Speaker 46 I love that we're having like a real moment here.

Speaker 24 And meme just popped in. Like, mutiny?

Speaker 101 No, mutiny's still on, dude.

Speaker 100 I fucking replied yes in the calendar.

Speaker 47 I'm down to be mutiny off.

Speaker 48 I'm out of the mutiny.

Speaker 62 But it's not about the mutiny. It's about showing hate.

Speaker 66 What about the pug side of the mutiny?

Speaker 99 Pug, pug.

Speaker 56 Pug?

Speaker 44 Looking it over.

Speaker 87 Still looking it over, Pug.

Speaker 120 I don't know what I'm going to do.

Speaker 70 I told him if he said yes, no computers.

Speaker 66 Pug, are you.

Speaker 101 Oh, this is why we got a muni.

Speaker 100 The guy's fucking holding resources from you.

Speaker 10 I also could get...

Speaker 47 It's just texting Pete. You could.

Speaker 21 Yeah, I could text him. This is how we get the power.

Speaker 24 Yeah,

Speaker 66 I don't want to deal with it. I don't care.

Speaker 19 What about Shane? Is Shane Hank in or Hank out?

Speaker 60 All right, fine.

Speaker 78 I'm going to change myself to a maybe on the mutant.

Speaker 76 Shane's going to crack.

Speaker 19 Shane's going to crack.

Speaker 19 You're going to crack him?

Speaker 98 No, no, no. Hank's going to crack him.

Speaker 38 All right, I'm updated.

Speaker 75 I'm a maybe.

Speaker 19 I'm a maybe on the mute. I'm just not replying to it.

Speaker 19 I'd never replied to any calendar advice.

Speaker 46 We know. Yeah.

Speaker 19 It's against my whole ethos.

Speaker 19 If they pop up on my phone, I don't need to reply to them.

Speaker 107 Hank, don't listen to the haters.

Speaker 40 I don't.

Speaker 14 There's a very, very small percentage of people that hate everything about each and every one of us in this room and can't listen to it.

Speaker 63 We love everyone else. They don't boot.

Speaker 46 I even love the haters.

Speaker 104 They're listening. They just, they want Hank to be different.
You're being authentic to you, which is not caring about anything but golf.

Speaker 19 Pretty, pretty clean week, but I did notice something earlier today that affected me a little bit.

Speaker 19 I broke my nose when I was in college, when I was playing a rugby game, and I got it fixed after it had started to heal. I never got the entire surgery on it.

Speaker 19 The doctor just basically put a rod up my nose and then punched it back into place as best that he could.

Speaker 19 But I think it's getting more broken as I get older. You know how, like, people that get old, their face becomes more of whatever it was, like, their features get more and more exaggerated.
Yeah.

Speaker 19 I think that my nose is slowly migrating over to the side of my face as I get older.

Speaker 19 Because I caught myself where if you wear a certain pair of sunglasses, it shows off like the bridge of your nose more.

Speaker 19 I think my nose is just moving to the side of my face as I get older.

Speaker 69 Shit, you know who also had a fucked-up nose?

Speaker 24 Billy.

Speaker 46 Oh my god.

Speaker 19 Yeah, no, I'm not. No,

Speaker 19 don't put that evil out there.

Speaker 19 But yeah, I think my face is just gradually, I'm becoming a Picasso panning as I get older.

Speaker 14 I do miss Billy's loud nose breathing.

Speaker 45 When he would eat, and it would be like an animal. Yeah.

Speaker 24 He'd just be like,

Speaker 19 Yeah, he sounded like what Kenny G like plays the longest note ever on the saxophone. It was Billy when he was eating his sub.

Speaker 8 So wait, what are you going to do?

Speaker 44 Can you go get it fixed?

Speaker 19 I don't know. I don't know what I can do, but I haven't talked to a doctor doctor about it since 2005,

Speaker 19 2006.

Speaker 22 I think I'm going to go to a doctor, by the way, soon for a physical.

Speaker 19 Okay, let me know. Yeah.

Speaker 37 Also, I have high cholesterol because I had a physical.

Speaker 19 Yeah, I got to do that.

Speaker 54 I got to do that. I'm going to do that.

Speaker 72 I'm worried that they're going to be like, whoa, should have come in a while ago.

Speaker 19 Yeah, that's kind of my big fear, too. So when I got the results back, and then that was the weekend of a pup punk show.
So we were eating dinner, and I was like, yeah, I'm going to do a salad.

Speaker 19 And then Frankie was like, yeah, I have high cholesterol. I was like, Me too.
And then Robbie was like, I also have high. We're the only punk band in America where we all have high cholesterol.

Speaker 19 What's more punk rock than that?

Speaker 76 Nothing.

Speaker 4 Nothing.

Speaker 19 Getting fucked lipids.

Speaker 107 All right, I got two fire fests.

Speaker 2 One is, it's from both of my children, one or two of the three of my children.

Speaker 52 One is my daughter at school had to do a project.

Speaker 40 What do, what is your,

Speaker 74 what does your dad do for work?

Speaker 115 And her answer that was written down was, plays around.

Speaker 19 Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 49 She's smart. Oh,

Speaker 112 that one is a little moment where I was like, shit, she's kind of right.

Speaker 46 Yeah.

Speaker 24 No, we just plays around.

Speaker 19 Our job is recess.

Speaker 70 It was like this whole thing I saw.

Speaker 53 It was just, you know, you get

Speaker 90 doctors, you get everything.

Speaker 5 And it's just plays around.

Speaker 56 That's what I do.

Speaker 24 Play around. Yeah.

Speaker 51 And then

Speaker 78 on Tuesday, I was taking my son to T-ball with my daughter as well.

Speaker 22 And I was, it was during the Mets Phillies game.

Speaker 45 So we, we took a break walking to the field, and uh, I looked down at my phone while they were sitting on some steps taking a break and uh to look at the Phillies score.

Speaker 24 And my son hit me so hard in the dick that it brought me to my knees to the point that a random passerby actually said, Do you need me to call someone?

Speaker 62 Because I was on the ground, two little kids crying, like writhing in pain.

Speaker 39 And it made me remind me of when we used to

Speaker 19 dick uh hit each other and uh we should bring that back yeah that was fun i'm ready i'm i'm i'm warmed up i get hit in the dick like three times a week every week well blake does go after my balls sometimes still so i'm i feel like i've developed callousness yeah

Speaker 86 but it was a direct punch when i wasn't looking and it's

Speaker 19 maybe your maybe your son's gonna grow up to be like the next generation of jackass that would rock if he thinks that's funny already like yeah

Speaker 24 they didn't think it was funny because they saw me go i went instant to my knees then they started crying so maybe he's gonna hate you because they were like dad's hurt and then the fact that a random stranger with a with a stroller literally walked by and just like do you need me to call someone's like dude who are you gonna call the dick you call the cops or my son call the dick doctor it was bad uh max you got firefest yep

Speaker 47 uh last night okay last night after the game i took like an hour and just kind of

Speaker 47 you know, dark room, just had to think about everything that just happened in that game and, you know, the future of Philadelphia sports.

Speaker 66 I feel like I know.

Speaker 66 I feel like I know what he's gonna say.

Speaker 19 I'll text a debate.

Speaker 47 I don't think you did. Okay, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 48 I know that.

Speaker 70 Just hold on a sec. Just hold on a sec.

Speaker 24 Keep going.

Speaker 70 Just hold on a sec.

Speaker 47 So I didn't eat during the stream because I was nervous. I know a fat joke.
Oh, crazy. You must have been super nervous.
You weren't going to eat.

Speaker 54 Okay, yeah, keep going.

Speaker 47 And then I went to Kava and got a meal and sat down by myself in a corner. And a Mets fan came up to me and patted me on the back

Speaker 47 on his way out. And it was like,

Speaker 47 I assume it was an AWL. I couldn't really hear what he said because I had

Speaker 47 two headphones in listening to music, but I just got like

Speaker 26 to be okay.

Speaker 47 And then he just walked away. I have no idea what he said.

Speaker 24 He got there, there.

Speaker 18 By like

Speaker 47 by like a stoolie.

Speaker 48 Oh, yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 22 We need that Mets fan to show his face.

Speaker 70 I want to shake his hand.

Speaker 19 Good for that Mets fan. Yeah.
That was nice. That was really nice.
They could have rubbed it in. Yeah.

Speaker 88 Hank thought you would order Taco Bell to the wrong address, which would have been new.

Speaker 47 Nope. That would have been.
No, it was like, I need to go eat healthy. I need to, you know, change.
You did Kava.

Speaker 47 Yeah.

Speaker 24 Kava's healthy. Not that.

Speaker 76 I mean, it's like the healthiest value.

Speaker 66 Buy some new boxers.

Speaker 47 It's like the healthiest valves.

Speaker 27 Every time I go to Kava, I just get like 17 orders of the Pita chips.

Speaker 47 I got zero orders of Pita chips.

Speaker 34 Okay, all right.

Speaker 68 So then it's healthy.

Speaker 48 Yeah.

Speaker 18 You didn't get anything? No pita chips? Zero pita chips.

Speaker 47 Soda? No soda.

Speaker 19 What'd you have for breakfast today?

Speaker 59 Any candy?

Speaker 24 Oh.

Speaker 76 No candy. No candy?

Speaker 47 For breakfast, I did. I mean, I went and got a turkey, bacon, egg white breakfast sandwich on a bagel, but I got a bagel.

Speaker 44 That's fine. Yeah.

Speaker 2 How many sodas on the plate?

Speaker 47 Zero sodas. I had water.

Speaker 14 What do you have for lunch? Salad. What are you going to have for dinner? What'd you listen to?

Speaker 66 I don't know.

Speaker 47 We're probably going to eat like shit tonight.

Speaker 19 Yeah. Good question, Eck.
Was it techno?

Speaker 24 Probably. I don't know.

Speaker 47 I thought about listening to Philly Sports Talk Radio, and then I was like, I can't do this.

Speaker 48 No, no.

Speaker 47 That's what I've been listening to all week.

Speaker 19 What are they saying on Philly Sports Talk Radio?

Speaker 47 I mean, Philly Sports Talk Radio is crazy. The best was

Speaker 47 the guys calling in after Wheeler's start, and after he threw 110 pitches through seven innings on Saturday, and the guy's furious that they took him out in the eighth inning, that they wanted to pitch 150 pitches.

Speaker 69 Yeah, why not?

Speaker 19 It's the playoffs.

Speaker 12 If you don't,

Speaker 45 I mean, you go home if you don't.

Speaker 19 I would never.

Speaker 19 I would never let the manager take the ball out of my hand. I would want the ball in my hand.
Max, I feel bad.

Speaker 46 I hope you can bounce back.

Speaker 47 Also, butt crack pictures are just always out.

Speaker 72 Well, that was something.

Speaker 12 So your underwear is ripped.

Speaker 14 That was a double whammy.

Speaker 62 All right, numbers.

Speaker 49 Three, five. Ah!

Speaker 78 Come on, memes.

Speaker 62 I'm pushing you to be great, memes.

Speaker 94 69.

Speaker 28 I'm pushing you to be great, memes.

Speaker 59 99 pug.

Speaker 39 PFTM memes, you recognize?

Speaker 87 No, no, this would suck.

Speaker 86 21.

Speaker 112 What was your number, Max?

Speaker 43 11. I think you're gonna get it.

Speaker 21 Wait, is 11 AJ Brown's number?

Speaker 93 Oh,

Speaker 93 he's starting to believe again.

Speaker 24 25.

Speaker 107 25.

Speaker 71 Love Guys