NFL Week 2, Fastest 2 Minutes, Ravens + Bengals In Trouble? Chiefs Are Inevitable + Bears Lose A SNF Stinker

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WAP! WAP! WAP! WAP! WAP! Tick, say pussy, I'm talking about his throwing game as the Saints put that wop on Bodak Prescott to the tune of 44 points. Hey, Teej, you heard this one? You hear about this one? What's that, Boom? Tell me about it, Boom.
They call him Jersey Mike McCarthy because Jerry is going to need a sub as a head coach sooner than later. He's not on a roll, Boom.
Saints go where Sam Darnold and the Mono Soda Vikings put the kiss of death on Kyle Shanahan. Justin Thomas Jefferson had so much free room on his 97-yard cutback touchdown, it was like the Louisiana Purchase.
George Skittle said, Taste the Rainbow, bitch, after scoring a touchdown, leaving Harrison Buckhurst-Smith to shake his head in disgust. The Vikings win, and the Vikings are 2-0.
Huh? Huh? Huh? The Vikings? Huh? With Sam Darnold? With Sam Darnold? Vikings are 2-0? Huh? Vikings, 23. Huh? Huh? The Niners, 17.
In Baltimore, where the Raiders were down in the fourth quarter when Gardner Minshew said, Go, go, Bauer Rangers, as he hooked up with Brock Bowers in Las Vegas, morphed into an explosive offense. Daniel Carl Sun Tzu said, The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without them realizing you're a real football team.
Lamar Jackson had a chance at the end with a whoop and a whoop and a whoop and a fumble and the Ravens fall to 0-2. The Raiders 26, Ravens 23.
We go up to Raujon, Maryland. As an opening opening kickoff left the Giants with no kicker to work with.
Brian Dayball looked like his brain was in outer space, emerging as the worst challenger since former Washington commander Ronald Reagan's administration. Too soon, boom.
O-rings. That's the sound the rocket made.
Austin Seabert and Ernie said seven. Seven is the number of the day, as the new Washington kicker accounted for all 21 points of offense Malik, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood Took his sweater and his shoes off And got comfortable in the secondary But Brian from Family Guy Robinson Had that dog in him Leaving the Giants linebackers feeling very haiti Commies 21 Giants 18 And we go to to Nashville to our correspondent memes who did not delete everything off his phone.
Memes. We go to Nashville where it was a wonderful day in Mr.
Aaron Rodgers' neighborhood. Calvin Cambridge Ridley found a pair of touchdowns and said, Make me like Mike while Tony Polaroid picture was an outcast in the second half.
Will Levis Farve tried to take advantage with a Johnson being out, but Will McDonald said, I'll take a number three. Sacks, that is.
Bray Lynn Allen was getting there. When you masturbate, think about my legs going back and forth and running into the end zone.
Jets 24, Titans 17. Thank you, memes.
And then we head to New England. The keeper of the lighthouse, Henry Lockwood, was on scene.

Former keeper of the lighthouse, boom.

Yes, and he didn't keep anything.

Today, the keeper of the lighthouse was Malcolm Butler,

who was there to keep the light and lead the Patriots,

celebrating the 10-year anniversary of the greatest play in Super Bowl history.

Geno Jaden Smith said,

Yeah, I went 33 for 44 with 327 yards and a tutty to DK Metcalf. Breaking moves.
But can we talk about the political and economic state of the world right now? Ramadre Lance Stevenson blew through the Seahawks defense into the end zone for six to tie the game up in regulation. Jake Mike Myers was asked to kick three field goals and said, yeah, baby, to bring the game winner in overtime.
Patriots 20, Seattle Super Seahawks 23. Thanks, Hank.
Good job, Hank. Up around, boom.
To the stadium formerly known as Burrowhead, where a big man got in on the scoring as Wanya, Wanya, Wanya, Fanta. Morris caught a touchdown from Patrick Mahomes to take an early second half lead.
The Bengals used a blue shell finding Andre Yoshiva, Yoshi for short, for his second touchdown of the game. But it wouldn't be a Chiefs game if the Zebras didn't get involved as a late DPI led to Taylor Swift's favorite player, Harrison.

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lie as the Chiefs win a thriller.

26-25.

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Out west to Denver where Tebow Nixmania

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J.D. Vance Joseph couldn't stop the Steelers

as Darnelli Furtado Washington was a man-eater after he cooked his defender for a score.

There's no lutz shaming in Colorado as the Broncos used Will

to make sure their number wasn't zero.

Steelers 13, the Broncos 6. Standing on the corner, Jameis Winston, Cuyahoga, such a fine sight to see.
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Let's talk some games, PFT. We had a 10-game slate to start day and it was crazy too many games at once every week it's i don't know if this is going to continue through the regular season but at least through the first two weeks at some point i get lost in football yeah i feel like i'm just spinning through a vortex yeah and i get the games i start making like a melange of games you ever have like dreams where you combine seven different things that happened between your work, personal life? I'm out there, and I'm thinking Baker Mayfield is getting sacked by Josh Allen Hines from the Jaguars at some point.
I'm like, what's going on here? I can't straighten it out. I need to get better.
Yeah. We're basically watch these games.
They're with the Tasmanian devil, and there's just a cloud of dust. And then the witching hour ends.
We're like, wait, what just happened? And actually, we'll start with this game because this is the perfect encapsulation of what we're talking about. So I'd say the theme of this week was we had some pretty big upsets.
And Raiders 26, Ravens 23 was the biggest in terms of point spread. and it also was the biggest in terms of, as we were watching all the games, the Ravens were up 10 with like 13 minutes left, and we all thought, oh, that game's over.
And then we looked up and said, wait, the Raiders are about to win this game, and now the Raiders are 1-1, and the Ravens are 0-2. Yeah, Max Crosby happened.
Max Crosby happened. And then Brock Bowers got unlocked this week as I was gonna say the Raiders the Raiders I think are the number one team where I don't think they're good but they have really good players because Gardner Minshew was under attack all day but he then also reminded himself that he has Devante Adams and Brock Bowers who are both very very good and they won a game that I think we all thought was over.
And now the Ravens are sitting here 0-2, and you're like, what the fuck's going on with them? And they have Dallas, Buffalo, and Cincy coming up next three weeks. Are we sure that the Ravens are good? They might not be.
They're also good. Now, they did have a shitload of penalties.
Again. The offensive line is not good for the Ravens right now.
Ten penalties for 109 yards. Again, they were undisciplined.
Again, they played sloppy. And I do think the Ravens are always good for one or two of these games a year where they just – they look like they're about to win a game and then you look up and you say, what just happened? But it's significant because it's 0-2 and this is the first time the Ravens have started 0-2 since 2015, which is a long time.
Now you're wondering, I'll read those games again. At Dallas versus Buffalo at Cincy.
Yeah, it's going to be tough. They might have to be my pinky team.
I think that they're probably a good pinky team to have, because you know that they're going to be in contention. It's them or the Rams.
It's going to be you versus Stavros. It's going to be you versus Jimmy's Seafood.
It's going to be a lot of no love lost in any of those matchups. Shout out the Raiders, though.
Shout out the Raiders. Tough win.
I like that we called the Alexander Madison baby bump. Yep.
We told you. We told you about that.
He's been holding a baby all week. So that's better, actually, than when a coach tells you you walk around holding a football all week.
Yeah. If you're holding a baby, you've got three points of contact.
You're not dropping that thing. You can't hold a baby like a loaf of bread.
So Madison got in. I'm also happy for Antonio Pierce because after the worst punt ever last week, I think everyone had the same thought of, are we sure he's head coach material? And then to have this win on the road, eight-and-a-half-point underdogs, down 10 with 12 minutes left, that's impressive.
The Raiders are back to being a salty dog. Also, of note, this is the first time since 1980 that, for everyone who does Survivor Leagues, that the biggest favorite in Week 1 and the biggest favorite in Week 2 both lost.
Yeah, it's crazy. I got eliminated this week.
Yeah. Bengals last week against the Patriots, and then the Ravens in week one and the biggest favorite in week two both lost yeah it's crazy i got eliminated this week yeah i had bangles last week against the patriots and then the ravens this week against uh the raiders so everyone's bracket is busted yeah it's bad it was bad for me i'm in matt jones survivor league right now and i think like half the pool got eliminated in week two yeah someone's gonna win in week it's okay but you know here's the thing is there are too many leagues that I'm in.
When it comes to fantasy football, first touchdown score, other fantasy football, Survivor, there's just too many different ways that you have to compete about watching football. Yes.
And I can't win them all. Yeah.
I'm lucky if I win one. And it's good to have this one just off the books.
Yeah, so I don't even have to worry about it. That's one less text that I have to send on Thursdays every year.
Exactly. So, yeah, I in agreement with you that is it does feel like the survivor league is you don't pay attention to your survivor league picks until like week seven that's when you have to actually start thinking about it i know that there will be some people like hey i i've mapped this whole thing out the whole time and i'm really smart about it well that's not us no uh we think about it right before kickoff on thursday night yep and then say oh who's the biggest uh spread okay let's use them and if you did that you would have been out double i think that two years in a row not this year because obviously i just got balanced this year but the prior two years i was eliminated by week five for not submitting a pick yeah so that's just it's honestly good that i got eliminated this early yeah i'm happy with that but yeah the credit to the raiders i'm told that antonio pierce does have an analytics guy oh that tells him what to do and antonio pierce just said no i'm gonna go with my gut in week one it was deuce gruden it was it was not deuce gruden that'd be a great analytics guy just like pick up heavier stuff we were converting everything to kilograms yeah the uh i i have a question for you pft um Derekrick henry so he started very slow yep he was good in the second half yep but is that an issue for the ravens in the fact that if you have derrick henry the only way that you can effectively use derrick henry is that you have to keep running derrick henry so you can have moments where you're like hey this isn't working but we have to we have to go through the wall and running him in order to get the effective Derrick Henry.
And he's clearly not the same as he was, you know, three or four years. No running back is.
He does look better in the Ravens outfit, though. He does.
Those colors look awesome on Derrick Henry. He also had a nasty, nasty old school Derrick Henry stiff arm that rocked.
But are you too beholden to Derrick Henry when you know that the only way to use him correctly is you just have to keep going even if it's not working? See, I think that's exactly why they got him because the knock against the Ravens last year in the playoffs was they abandoned the run. So by having Derrick Henry on your team, it's almost forcing you like, hey, remember, you have to keep running the football because if you don't, there's no use in having Derrick Henry on henry i was just thinking about it because in and i think the ravens are going to end up being a playoff team um that's why i kind of don't want to make my pinky team just a reminder my pinky team is a team that was has super bowl aspirations starts oh and two i say i'll cut off the tip of my pinky if they win the super bowl i'm contrary to popular belief i think people think that i'm trying to do it to pick a team that could that I still think can win the Super Bowl I'm doing it because I think this team cannot win the Super Bowl and I I think the Ravens could still win the Super Bowl so I that's why like being true to myself I can't really pick them but I was thinking about it just some people will call you a coward for that no because that the whole thing started with yeah crossing a team off and saying they cannot win the Super Bowl.
If I, like, why would I pick them if I still think they can win the Super Bowl? You won't. Right.
You won't do it. I see what's happening here.
I'm going to go back to the Derrick Henry talk. You're not going to do it.
I was thinking about it because the Titans, their identity was Derrick Henry. Yeah.
The Ravens have more guys than the Titans did. Yeah.
So is there – this is just a dumb thought. I might be wrong.
I know what you're saying because they have to spread the ball around. They can't rely on just being like Derrick Henry focused offense because they've got Lamar Jackson who's also great at running the football.
Zay Flowers who's very good. They've got Zay Flowers, Isaiah Likely, and Mark Andrews.
They've got good players on offense, and their offense has been good not having to just run the ball down your throat the entire time. They do more interesting stuff with their running game than the Titans did, which was Titans would just, here, Derrick Henry, you take it.
Tractor Cito season. Yeah, and he wasn't the problem today because, like I said, he did play well in the second half and got it going.
It was just a thought. Yeah, no, I don think it's a terrible thought to have i think that the ravens have they've got a lot of issues but i i wouldn't look too heavily into derrick henry being a deep problem with the team just yet yeah but he might not be the same derrick henry that we've seen in the past i think that's fair to say it just sucks when he starts slow and it's like i think he had like seven carries for four yards to start the game but that's kind of how it goes with him i have a question for you big cat yeah is justin tucker washed yes he is washed compared to peak justin tucker 100 yes he's no longer justin tucker he's no longer hey we have a 50 yard field goal we're gonna make it because we have justin tucker yeah he got out kicked today yeah this is actually a tucker carlson game there are also like two or three kickers that you could say off the top of your head that are better than him here's some bucker aubrey for from the cowboys is better yep uh mcpherson might be i don't know missed an extra point today yeah yeah i know what you're saying justin tucker he used to be automatic this is crazy to say this is an insane statement to make he used to be automatic from 60 and in yeah it would and he was never a problem never a problem for him yeah and he uh he did miss what did he miss a 50 yarder yeah i think it was a another bomb today so don't get me wrong i would love to have justin well actually no i wouldn't my kicker didn't miss a field goal today yeah that's the thing that that thing that sucks for Justin Tucker is that we just compare him to old Justin Tucker.
Yeah. So it's not that he sucks.
He's still a very good kicker. We expect him to make every single kick no matter what.
Yeah. And now he's missed a few 50-yarders.
Like, oh, well, he's kind of washed. Yeah.
He's still great. He's still better than 90% of the kickers.
This might be a hardball problem hardball maybe hasn't realized that if he just uses justin tucker like a regular kicker then he's going to be one of the best kickers in the league yeah by the way we still don't have a team that's lost to two harbour brothers back to back that is true according to our research and john harbaugh is now one and one against brothers this year yeah yeah exactly Okay. Bucks-Lions.
Bucks 20, Lions 16.

That was... and won against brothers this year yeah yeah exactly uh okay um bucks lions bucks 20 lions 16 that was that was my gutsy win of the week by the bucks gutsy i like that win that because that was a baker mayfield win they had a ton of injuries on defensive uh back or uh secondary they had vita vae went out halfway through the game they got offensive line issues they just found found a way to win that game and we'll talk about the Lions in a sec, but I want to give props to Baker, who I just love watching and rooting for.
He got sacked three times in the first quarter by Aiden Hutchinson. Most guys would be like, fuck this, I'm out.
And he was just big play after big play. That QB draw for the go-ahead touchdown.
It was the second team since 1970 to win despite being outgamed by 200-plus yards and having a minus-five sack differential. I don't know how many times that's happened, but on paper, that's a bad game if you get outgamed by 200 and you have a minus-five sack differential.
It's very hard to win those games without the other team straight-up giving you those games. And lions did make a couple mistakes but the bucks you're right about baker like when he runs with the football we forget that baker's sneaky elusive yes like not only is he tough not only is he going to put his head down and try to run you over but baker in the open field he will make a guy miss every time yeah he's so fun to watch the way i think it's because he like he carries the ball with almost a straight arm down at his legs right as he's juking you out like a lot of other players will tuck it up and run but he's got the ball dangling out there too like he's almost distracting you with it gives you the dead dead leg steps around you and uh yeah the bucks you called it the gutsy one of the week yeah the gutsy one of the i think this might be todd bull's signature win uh yeah he won a playoff game you want a playoff game you won a playoff game but i'm going to give todd bulls his signature win this week okay signature win this is a win for todd bulls we've all been waiting for one it was it was like uh they shouldn't have won that game and if you just look at the box score and and the lions were able to move the ball and then they just stalled in the red zone i think they were one for seven in the red zone yeah and the big issue there were two big issues for the lions jared didn't play well and dan campbell cost them at the end of the first half he's and i don't even know what was happening at the end of the game when they didn't take any shots the end zone yeah that was weird too that's very strange dan campbell uh i love that he's i think he's so disgusted with himself that he can't say the word i so So after the game, he said in the press conference, I asked for improvement.
I guess he said I there. I asked for improvement from last week.
We did improve. Their coach cost them.
Their head coach cost them this one. I like that.
He's making himself either a fan or a member of the media. It's like a disassociation of their head coach cost them this one.
Yeah, a lot yeah i like that a lot that's that's a really powerful way of taking accountability that's that's way better than saying we yeah yeah exactly it's way better than saying we and dan campbell did cost him a game like it was he he had multiple i mean he did a classic dan campbell where he ended up doing a fake punt out of the end zone that worked. But he also punted, I think with like 10, 13 minutes left from the 41, which was a little weird.
I think it was a fourth and seven, but still, I don't know. Dan Campbell was kind of all over the place.
I think Dan Campbell is the league leader for the last three seasons of people saying, if that doesn't work out, that's a fireable offense. Yeah.
After it worked out. Yeah.
You know, somehow it usually the end of the first half they were in complete disarray they were trying to get the field goal unit onto the field at the same time as the offense was running a play yeah so i think they ended up having like 20 guys on 25 men on the 25 that's slightly too many men on the field at any given time and yeah their coach their coach really sold them short on that one yeah so dan campbell not a good job there well no dan campbell's fine it's their head coach whoever their head coach happened their head coach yeah fuck that up yeah but um i guess you could say the bucks have now beaten two outstanding teams yeah i think i have the bucks number one in my power rankings right now yeah there you go so that's good commanders in the commanders in the lions and also if you're a lions fan just remind yourself that last year you won week one and then you lost week two that's a good reminder you lost to the seahawks at home week two last year so this has happened before and your team turned out fine and you improved yes because dan campbell said you improved it's just that their head coach did that their head coach did it to their head coach screwed that one yep uh yeah it also this is this is why you can't do the commercials because then people were clowning on the applebee's commercial after that first half uh end of first half as you just gave it to people but that's their head coach that's their head coach that's not dan campbell that's their actor yeah that's their actor that's their actor who's different from their head coach who just plays a coach on tv yeah their actor did a great job yeah uh okay next up i had saints cowboys saints 44 cowboys 19 pft here's my question for you if we were just going off of two weeks are the saints the best team in the nfl yes they are second best i they i think they are the best team in the nfl if you go off two weeks i think that the entire nfc South is a lot better than we thought it was going to be. Yeah, I'd agree with that.
But the Saints are, so their cumulative scores are 91 to 20. They have not had a second where they've been trailing in the first two games.
Their defense is nasty. Derek Carr, 11-year bump, looks awesome.
Alvin Kamara looks like old-school Alvin Kamara. He had 180 yards and four touchdowns.
And their offensive line looked really good today. Yes, they kept them.
So not only that, but Derek Carr, first 15 drives of the season, the Saints scored points. Now, they took them out of the game against the Panthers, and they punted twice.
But the next closest, next next best was the 2000 Falcons started their season with seven straight drive scoring points 15 straight drive scoring points for the Saints if you had to do a BCS poll the Saints would be number one yeah I mean they they have looked unstoppable and it's not the Panthers that they're playing against the Cowboys and their defensive line is supposed to be really really good we saw week one that they can play really well really well. And the big question was going to be for the offensive line.
They held up really well today. And so if you add that in to what they're doing with their offense with Rasheed Shahid and Alvin Kamara just getting open all the time.
Looking like old school. Old school Alvin Kamara.
It's tough to imagine a team that you would put ahead of them besides the Buccaneers. Yeah.
Hank, asboys fan did you see the uh now I don't really believe it but it was still funny to think it might be real uh someone tweeted out that a Cowboys fan Jono Barnes tweeted out uh a Cowboys fan just airdropped this to my entire section if we don't fire Mike McCarthy I'm beating the fuck out of everybody here don't think it's real but still of funny. Just to imagine that a Cowboys fan, I mean, you're a Cowboys fan.
That's kind of what you guys get angry about. Yeah, I mean, I kind of gave up my fandom last year after the playoffs.
We talked about it, but I think you got to have the conversation. Yeah.
Well, this was, in a weird way, spin zone for Cowboys fans. This felt like a playoff loss.
Because usually when the Cowboys get to the playoffs, they have a game where Dak maybe on paper isn't the main problem, but their defense gets bullied. And if you watch the game, you're like, oh yeah, Dak, he didn't play so, so bad, but he also missed some guys and their offense stalled in the red zone.
Yeah, he didn't't play bad i'll agree with you but there was one interception that he had yes was like that's what we're waiting for that that that press guy and they're often stalled in the red zone which is exactly what happened last year and then their defense which was good last year got bullied against the packers and so maybe now you just have this conversation right now about mike mccarthy uh but i guess j guess Jerry Jones already settled this by just turning up the heat.

Yeah, he's all in.

Jerry Jones is all in right now.

He's not going to get rid of Mike McCarthy.

He's settled in with Dak.

He's settled in with Seedy.

I feel like this is Jerry Jones just nesting.

It's nesting for his imminent demise.

Yeah.

So he's just like, I want to keep the guys around me that I'm going to have for the rest of my life.

We're going to get to know each other.

We're going to be a family. So, yeah, I don't know if Mike McCarthy is going to go anywhere unless they do something crazy this year.
I've been thinking that he would for the last two seasons. But now I'm falling more into the camp of Jerry Jones.
He just wants people that are going to be around. Well, we talked about it in one of our preseason interviews with someone.
Like, Jerry Jones, the 90 jerry jones we still think that's the guy jerry jones is like too loyal to his coaches he kept jason garrett for way too long yeah so i think he's gonna probably just keep mike mccarthy for way too long yeah he probably well some might argue he already has yeah that's true i have a fun fact did you know that derrick carr's middle name is literally dallas oh i didn't yeah That's awesome. I guess he grew up, his parents and grandparents were Cowboys fans.
He's DDC? He's DDC. That's badass.
And he looks cool. I think Derek Carr got cool this year.
Yeah, he came on PMT. He came on PMT.
He scored a touchdown, did a Michael Jackson end zone celebration. Yep.
He grabbed his crotch, which I never would have imagined that Derek Carl would do. Yeah, kids are watching.

Kids are watching at home, Derek.

I hope you apologize for that.

But yeah, he looks cool.

He looks fun to watch.

He's throwing the ball deep. I mean, he's taking what the defense gives him, but having Rashid Shahid out there, when

he uncorks one, it looks good.

Yeah.

It looks exciting.

And Rashid Shahid is top guy's name to say.

Great name to say.

Great name to say. Great name to say.

Now, Big Cat, I have a question for you.

Yeah.

Do you think that the Cowboys are frauds?

No, because they have who they play week one.

Browns.

They beat the Browns week one.

No, I don't think they're fraud yet.

I think they're to be determined because you have to be you have to have a good record

and win games decisively to be certified. I don't think you can call anyone a fraud week two.
I think you need a little bit of a body of work. You need a month and a half where it's like, oh, we're 4-2, and the four wins were by 20-plus, and the two losses were against good teams.
Yeah, those are the fraud teams. So I don't think they're frauds yet.
I just think I don't know if they're good. I think this loss today might be submitted as evidence down the line for them being frauds.
Yeah. So I don't think we can call them frauds either.
But I do think that this would be a big bulletin point if we reach that point where they're 4-2. Yeah, I'd agree with that.
I'm happy for Saints fans because it does feel like they've been, since Drew Brees, kind of just going in circles. Every year you hear about them being in cap hell.
They kind of run it back. Dennis Allen is the most forgettable coach in the NFL.
But credit to him, he did hire Clint Kubiak, who's done a really good job through two games. But it feels like the Saints are a fun team.
And like I said, their defense is playing nasty too. So it's not just their offense has been lights out they they've been both sides of the ball so i'm happy for saints fans it's cool to have an identity besides we're gonna let taysom hill run through linebackers faces right and so that's a nice piece to have right that's a great piece to have but you don't want that to be your thing as an offense yeah your only thing yeah and and the thing that you have to time.
And then once a year when he gets hurt, you're like, well, this is going to suck. Yeah, now what do we do? Yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, good for the Saints. Yep.
Happy for the Saints. All right, you want to go to the next game? Yeah, let's do it.
Commanders have won. Commanders are 1-1.
Commanders 21, Giants 18. I told you at the end of the game, it was actually very mean what you did to the Giants because they had Graham Gonneau who got hurt on the opening kickoff.
So the Giants didn't play with a kicker, which I love games when a kicker's injured because you just don't know what's going to happen. And then the Commanders basically went out and said, hey, you don't have a kicker.
We're going to kick seven field goals right in your face. Right in your face.
We got all the field goals on our side. Yes.
Seven field goals. Now, I will say the offense was pretty good today outside of what we did in the red zone which was just take penalty after penalty until it backed us up a little bit then we couldn't actually score a touchdown i'd like to see touchdowns but in a weird way i like winning a game like this because it's been so long yeah since we've had a field goal kicker who's capable of making three field goals in a game, much less four, much less five, six, or seven field goals in a game.
So having a guy that is that competent is a really good thing for our team. And this is a crazy stat.
This is actually insane. Austin Siebert, our kicker right now, he is our fifth kicker in the year 2024.
Your fifth kicker. It's week two.
Oh, yeah, because you got rid of kade york we got rid of kade york and this is i i count that as a front office win for us yes it's a front office win because we cut kade york after one game which we would never do in the past right and we got a guy that can make seven of seven and i think we also saved on like whatever compensation we owed the browns for making that trade because we cut them after one game as opposed to two games.

Right.

So the fact that we were competent enough to address a problem and then bring in a solution

to that problem, that's what you want to see out of your front office.

Yeah.

So I have no problem with how the offense looked today.

I thought we played pretty well.

Brian Robinson, he's our first...

I think he's our first 100-yard running back in a a season and a half, which is also surprising to say. Yeah.
But he looked good today. He looked really good.
Jaden Daniels looked like he was, because Dan Quinn said it in the middle of the week that they were going to try not to run him as much. Yeah.
And it looked like he was doing a better job of like, hey, I'm not going to just run right away. Yeah, and he got the ball downfield better than he did in week one yeah he looked good as a quarterback uh i was very encouraged with how the offense moved the ball for the most part our defense still stinks but that's fine our defense is probably going to stink yeah and that's okay we we benefited very much from the giants having to run fourth down plays whenever they cross midfield well it's funny you say it that way because they didn't have to do that.
So Brian Dable's going to be under a lot of fire in New York this week because Graham Gano hurt his hamstring on the opening kickoff. He had a groin injury on Saturday.
So he was already like, hey, something's a little off. The Giants went into this game with 52 guys on the roster.
Could have gotten a kicker. Could have gotten a kicker.
They have a backup kicker they could have had, and they didn't, knowing that Graham Gonneau had a groin injury, and they went into this game being like, he'll be fine. Got hurt on the opening kickoff.
Brian Dable, what the fuck are you doing? That's not great. It's not great at all.
I would also say- Florio, by the way, was the one who was on this obviously i would oh he was all over he's like they i guess they put uh gunner olchefsky on uh ir on thursday which made it go from 53 to 52 so they could have brought up could have brought up a kicker now this is crazy but you know there's another michael florio that covers the nfl stolen valor his name is Michael B. Florio.
Oh, like Michael B. Jordan?

I think so.

That's kind of cool.

And memes, how has this guy not made your top Florios list?

His name is literally Florio.

I think it's Michael F. Florio.

Michael F. Florio.

Okay, so yeah, it is.

It's like that version of the Michael B. Jordan.

Yeah.

Yeah, memes, how come this guy hasn't even crossed your radar?

I've seen him on Twitter one time, and then I saw that same clip from Dan Patrickrick this weekend that guy's very mad that michael florio is also named michael florio yeah wait michael f florio is mad that our mike florio is named mike florio our mike florio oh no no no big cat's right oh that other guy is also mad that michael florio is michael well fuck the fake michael florio what gives you the right dude i would understand if our mike florio was mad about the other mike florio yeah but the other mike florio being like that's my name no no that's not your name change your name dude no it does piss me off i i kind of agree with him like mike walks around calling himself pft all the time yeah you we got to stand up for our guy yeah no i stand with mike florio yeah F. In the Mike Florio versus Mike Florio debate.
Yeah. We do not stand with Mike F.
Florio. They should do a radio show together called Mike and Mike.
That would be fun. Yeah.
It'd be very fun. Florio on Florio.
Florio on Florio. That's literally memes hell.
Yeah. It's constant Florio.
Welcome to hell. Topping out of the woodwork.
Florio interviewing Florio. So Brian Dable, yeah, he deserves a lot of blame for that.

He also deserves a lot of blame. He might be the worst challenger coach.
Yeah. He's a very bad challenger.
He does what Belichick did a lot in his later days, the frustration challenge, where you're not really challenging anything other than you're upset with how the game's going. You're challenging reality.
Yeah. You're challenging that you basically are a like seven-year-old turning off the console you're throwing a flag we're not playing this game anymore you're throwing a flag and you're saying nah yeah and it's yes huh restart it no it happened you you're like hey let's restart ball up top yeah restart zero zero two bad challenges by dable today and uh terrible.
He didn't play terrible. No, he didn't.
I think we told you that on Friday, which is Daniel Jones typically plays better against the Commanders. And Malik Nabors is good.
Really good. Yes.
So he did have that one drop at the end of the game that kind of cost you, but he's not the reason why he lost. No.
Malik Nabors is good. And, I mean, if they had a kicker, they probably would have won this game.
Maybe. they they had they had to go for it on fourth down they missed an extra point like they and they didn't get the two-point conversions so it felt like brian dable cost his team the game here by not having a kicker he might have yeah do you see jayna daniel's handoff today though yeah it was pretty sick he had the best handoff of the week it was pretty sick it was sick he just he stopped froze turn around looked like move.
That's awesome. He's so good at handing the ball off.
He is good at handing the ball off. And he's very good at playing quarterback, too.
Yeah. Max, you got anything to say? Did you watch the game? No.
I was flying back. Oh.
Wedding, Max. But playing Daniels.
That's a win. That's a win.
That's a win. One and one.
I love bragging about how good my quarterback is at handing the ball off it was a great handoff yeah so you just told yourself because you said you didn't watch the game so you didn't see the handoff you have no idea it was the handoff i think i'm so happy i think the point is you didn't have to see it no it was so sick though yeah pull it up watch the clip best handoff i've ever seen it's so smooth I'm so happy for you to have a quarterback that's good at handing it off yeah so am I no the best handoff ever was the one I'll give you second best handoff the best handoff ever was when uh oh I guess it wasn't a handoff because when when Jared Goff did the uh fake handoff yeah and got sacked or no sorry. He handed the ball off, and he did it so well that the defensive end sacked him, and they're like, that's roughing.
He doesn't have the ball right now. I think it's hard to compare those two handoffs because one was he did such a great job of the play action, and this was just so cool.
No, but it wasn't play action. I was wrong.
He did hand it off, and he didn't have the ball, and he did such a good job of pretending he had the ball that they sacked him and then called a roughing the passer. Got it.
Yeah. That was one of the coolest handoffs ever.
Nobody's talking about this handoff. It was so good.
Why? If it's this sick of a handoff, it shouldn't be this hard to find. The All-22 is going to come out.
The gambling game was talking about it. Yeah.
Okay. The All-22 is going to come out, and you're going to be like, God damn, I wish I could Who's the one who brought it up in the gambling game? PFT.
Oh, okay. That's true.
It was a great handoff. I think how it went down is he shouted it, and then no one responded, then he shouted it again, and then everyone's like, yeah.
Although, yeah, I guarantee out of all of the games in the 1 o'clock slate, everyone was watching Giants Commanders. He had eyes on it.
Yep. Great sarcasm there, Max.
Great use of sarcasm. That game must have rocked.
Go get on another plane, Max. Yeah, have another wedding.
Mr. Popular with all your friends.
I got one more. One more of the season.
737, Max. I got a bye week this week, and then I have the finale.
Finish strong. Rest up.
Yep. All right.
You can watch the game. Yeah, you won a game, PFT.
Won a game. It feels good to be one and one.
Who do you have have next week that's actually a great question that i should know the answer i know the answer it's oh and two bengals so that oh that's oh of course yeah i'm going to that game yeah i was so lazy i'm gonna be angry i was laser focused on this game i wasn't looking ahead at all the bengals are gonna be angry on monday night it's a monday night game i'm gonna be in cincinnati yeah get some chili um hank you want to talk about your game yeah seahawks 23 patriots 20 we almost had hank almost all in we were an overtime away from having hank almost all in that's how close we were you wouldn't have been all in but you would have been almost all in and we were almost there if the patriots had won the jets had lost i would have been all the way all in all the way all in so you were but but that didn't happen so now where do we

stand kind of the same as last week almost you're still almost all in I want to beat the Jets we

talked about it last week will you be we'll be back to almost all in almost back to almost all

in so you can't get all in by just beating the Jets no okay got it you're almost almost all in

Thank you. He made some plays.
I get a stat for you. Listen.
You always have a stat. I have a stat for you.
Jacoby Brissett, let me get his final stat line. He was getting the offensive line.
Yeah, no, your offensive line is not good. So why would you start a rookie QB with a bad offensive line? So here's the thing with Jacoby Brissett.
He's a good backup quarterback. I don't know if he's a starter.
He doesn't really push the ball downfield, so to speak. Jacoby Brissett was 15 for 27, 149 yards, and a touchdown, no interception.
He doesn't make mistakes. How many completions and for how many yards did he have to wide receivers, which are usually the guy's quarterbacks throw it to? Well, I know how many yards Hunter Henry had.
He had a lot. So I'm going to go with seven for 40.
Jacoby Brissett had three completions for 19 yards to wide receivers today. That's why I was saying start trade.
Again, not this week, but Jacoby Brissett is a really good backup good backup if you want and your wide receivers aren't like out of this world good but if you want to push the ball downfield and give your team chances like that you also need time in the pocket true true good point good counterpoint with three for 19 yards is tough so some quarterbacks are just they're meant to be backup quarterbacks and that'soby Brissett. Correct.
He has a hard time flipping the switch over into starter mode because he's still playing like, the way that he played today would be a perfect backup quarterback spot start game. Yeah, like don't lose us the game.
Yeah. He's a big don't lose us the game guy.
Yeah. Which I guess if that's, I guess it's a question of whether you go all in or not.
If you go all in, it should be Drake May. That's my point.
If it's Tank, then Jacoby Rousset's perfect. That make sense? Yeah.
I think that's fair. Hank, let me ask you this.
And I think it's still up in the air. If at the start of the year you had been told you're going to be 1-1 through two games, would you take it? Yeah.
Yeah. Would you have rather 0-2? No.
Okay. I would have rather 2-0.
Yeah, because you won the first one. Because we won the first one.
They went for it on fourth and – or they punted on fourth and one. It was – they were on like their own 40, 45 area in overtime.
I feel like they should have just went for it and tried to win the game. That was stupid because then it's just all the other team has to do is kick a field goal.
That would be my only note from the game. If you're going to be in, if you're going to be in overtime, just, just go for the win.
Yeah. How do you feel about Malcolm Butler being the next man to touch the bell after you? I thought he did a great job.
It's crazy. It's been 10 years.
Yeah. Led the team onto the field, picked a good game to do it too.
Yeah. Hank, I actually want to give you credit.
I think you're dealing with this Patriots season the correct way because you've never really been in this spot where it is a hard dance to do where you don't want to tank right away because then it's like, fuck, this sucks. We're tanking from game one.
That's stupid. You have something to believe.
But you also don't want to go all in and then end up with five or six wins and not a good draft pick. So you're in that middle ground right now where you've got to feel it out and figure out which way you want to go.
And I was expecting us to look like the Broncos or the Steelers where it's just ugly games, not a lot of points, not a lot of happening. But they're just ugly games to watch.
They're 2-0. All right, Broncos maybe, Commanders maybe.
We're 1-1. I know, but I'm saying the games are not fun to watch.
The Commanders offense today you guys didn't score a touchdown you kicked a thousand field i'm trying so hard to find this handoff it's literally it's nowhere i guarantee you i am the only person online that cares about this honestly this is you know i'm gonna get it for you on the alternative okay hey can i can i tell you something that would maybe be fun your number three overall pick drake may that would be fun if no i'm saying we've been having i've been having fun oh i was expecting not fun oh i've been entertained and had fun in both games got it oh that's good then that's all matters you're having fun that's really what you want yeah i mean you almost won that game yeah you should have won that game there was a bad defensive pass interference call that i think tyler lockett even told whoever your defensive back is like that actually was not a penalty like on the field he said it to him so you can just say the refs and they just had that one you know brain fart on the dk metcalf touchdown yeah he was wide open and credit to is that's not pat the patriot it's one the live-action Patriots that stand in the end zone and shoot a gun when you score a touchdown. Are they the Minutemen? I think so.
Okay, so one of the Minutemen, when DK scored his touchdown, DK almost ran up to him like he was going to use him for a prop, and the guy just turned around and was like, I'm not even going to look at you. Wait a whole – you know, hold the line.
Yeah. Defend the wall.
Defend the wall. Defend the wall.
Yeah, your defense is good. I mean, Christian Gonzalez is incredible.
He did a very good job against DK Metcalf. I know DK had a big day, but a lot of it was not.
It was mostly just that one player. And it wasn't against Christian Gonzalez.
Right. I don't know.
For your sake, you should start Drake May. It's fun when you have a new toy.
Yeah. And Jacoby Rousset, again, very nice guy.
Like him. Want to have him on the show someday.
He was getting smoked. Really good backup quarterback.
Smoked. Our offensive line is so bad.
Yeah. Like, he had no time.
I know the wide receiver thing, but he also had no time to throw. If you throw in a rookie quarterback, the risk just goes through the roof.
He did have a really fucked up hand, too. Did you see that? Yeah, they showed his arm at the end of the game.
He had, like, I don't know, turf burns? Yeah, he looked like a flesh wound. Yeah, it looked like the start of the zombie disease that this is us.
Yeah. By the way, we have an update on the handoff.
Rashad White takes a handoff from Jaden Daniels and gets into the end zone for the 9-yard touchdown. 21-10 ASU with 45 seconds remaining in the third.
I don't think that's from this year. That's two teams ago.
That might not be from this year. I mean, I told you I was going deep trying to find this handoff.
Well, it sounds like that was a great handoff, too. It sounds like there's a lot of tape on there, and scouts are buzzing about how good he is.
Oh, no. Jaden Daniels' handoff to A.J.
Carter never seemed to be secured, and it's a lost fumble on ASU's first play at its own 13 yard line so that's a bad start aj carter wasn't ready for that's from december 31st 2019 aj carter has fumble itis everybody knows you guys are gonna whatever listen i'm i said it was a good it was a great handoff i'm not gonna back down from that i said it was good it looked like he was doing a dance move it was sick i did so there was a point uh in the afternoon games where I just asked around the room, what do you guys think about Jaden Daniels? Because I feel like he's played well, and I just need to have other people say it. Yeah.
It might be some insecurity. I thought he played well.
I thought he played well to that. Yeah.
And his chinstrap was buckled. I thought he played well.
By the way, the Seahawks might be good. I think they are.
I mean, they're 2-0. Yeah, they're 2-0.
I guess thecos and patriots maybe aren't the best test they play the dolphins broncos almost i mean patriots almost beat the chiefs what essentially oh yeah we're we're yeah that's we should have beat the chiefs you basically beat the chiefs well the raven if you played the chiefs in a seven game series that's going seven maybe not might be 4-0 sweet patriots the ravens almost beat the chiefs but then the ravens lost to the raiders so did the raiders almost beat the chiefs yeah so the patriots and the raiders are two of the best teams in the nfl yeah interesting yeah i mean the patriots beat the bengals soundly and the bengals only lost only lost by one or two to the Chiefs.

That's huge.

I know. That's huge.

So you're not thinking the offs yet?

No. Okay.
Smart.

What did you think about Jerry O'Connell's video?

I love that he's back

in his bing bong voice. Did you see

the video? I did see it.

Okay. Let's play it for the people.
I'm going to find it.

Or you want to pull it up, Max? you pull it up uh what did you think i saw that he did it i didn't watch it oh you didn't why not he's so to set the scene for anyone's listening on the podcast jerry's out what looks like some kind of uh hike with four dogs four dogs shirtless great dogs and And he's got the arm weights on, the two and a half pound arm weights. It's going to be something about...
No. No.
Blowing it. I don't know what his obsession with me is.
He likes you. Bong, Hanky, look at me.
I'm outside. I'm doing my exercises.
I'm not inside of a golf simulator. My beautiful dogs, all of them.
You got your offs on the mind. You think your pats are going to beat Seattle today? I don't think so.
I'm taking Seattle plus the under. Because your team can't score.
Bing, bong. Get outside, Anki.
You blew it. Then it cut off.
I mean, he's just talking shit. Just guys.
It's just smack talking. But Jerry's actually the most.
Half of the show is just an obsession with you. PFT and this desk has an obsession with you.
Yeah, just let me live. Yeah.
So, I mean, he's just he's falling in line with the obsession with you did the under hit no no no and the seahawks also didn't cover i think i think it ended up going to three or it was three a kick so he pushed so oh one and one for jerry i got my three and a half yeah um all right well good job hank thanks just being just existing that. That's my first good job existing.
Yeah. So thank you.
Do you want to quickly just talk about the Apple Cup real quick? I know we talk college football on Wednesdays. Yeah.
I mean, that was brutal. And then I woke up this morning and saw the news that they lost.
Yeah. Yeah.
Rivalry game. It's always tough.
When did you find out they lost? I saw that they lost last night. I didn't see the play until today.
Yeah. So we texted you right away.
I text you the minute the play happened. I said, sorry, Hank.
And PFT was like, he doesn't even know what we're sorry for. And no, he said, I can't.
I can't wait to see Google text or Google search to figure out why he's upset right now. why he needs to be upset.
Like, hey, Hank, when you see that we're sorry for you, and you have to find out why, what does that Google search look like? It will go through your head. I honestly didn't even, my phone was dead, and by the time I turned it on, those messages got lost in the flood.
Got it. Got it.
So I didn't even see the apologies. So you weren't, was dead were you not were you watching kent state tennessee nope damn just living your life living my life and the apple cup that's brutal because that one meant more yeah it did and we were right there at the at the goal line at the end i know because you can't chant mountain west at wazoo Yeah.
You can't make fun of them for their non-conference.

Are you still confident in the coach?

Yeah.

And his name is what?

How do you think their quarterback played, Hank?

I don't know.

You got the coach's name.

I don't.

Jed?

Hoyer.

No.

Jed Fish. Jed Fish.
Came from Arizona. That's an easy one.
Yeah. You got that now.
We're going to quiz you next week. Okay.
This is tough. I know how much that Apple Cup meant to you.
I know. Like I said, it was seeing the play.
I couldn't even bring myself to watch the play until today. Yeah.
And Tyler Van Dyke got hurt. Have that's brutal have you watched the play I did you

saw the play yeah what happened on it oh they ran to the right it got stuffed yep he saw it confirmed he saw it was there any pitch back or what kind of play was it it's a run play I don't think you watch the play you watch the play option play you watch the play option play

that is a run

it was so hard for you to watch it you barely an option is a run yeah piquette he probably watched it like through his fingers because he was almost like i can't look i can't look i'm so nervous he was essentially uh roman roy in in succession when the rocket blows up and he sees the rocket blow up and he just puts it puts the phone back in his pocket and he just goes on about his day.

Yeah.

You saw that and you're just like, I can't deal with this right now.

Pretty much.

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Find all One B bars at a retailer near you or on amazon.com okay uh more games in the 10 10 game slate vikings 23 49 or 17 sam darnold sam darnold sam darnold's back sam darnold's arrived sam darnold is our baker mayfield of this year yeah him seven years. Yeah, but he has finally arrived in the NFL.
He's not one of the worst quarterbacks in the world, which he was with the Jets. He is now, dare I say good.
Yeah, he had a 97 yard touchdown pass to Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson did some awesome work with the cutback there.
QBs to never have a 97 yard more touchdown pass in the nfl is from our friend stat hole who has a great blog every monday recapping all the stats patrick mahomes these are guys who have never had this that sam darnold now has patrick mahomes peyton manning eli manning dan marino john elway joe montana aaron rogers troy eggman pretty good pretty good uh group of quarterbacks and they never did what sam darnold did today and it was incredible it was a great pass it was and you can't help but root for sam either yeah i feel like he's he's one of those guys where through no fault of his own right he's been just kind of like run through the dog shit he was on those hyperdrive jets right when they were turning the offense to hyperdrive he was poisoned by adam gaze yeah yeah so you have to root for a guy like that to come back and uh yeah he looked good today against his old team yeah it was i was very happy to see it the 49ers did not look great fred warner by the way that guy he is so fun to watch yeah as fun of a linebacker that's a football player's a football player. That guy plays football and he does it very well.

I wouldn't smash the panic button yet if I was the 49ers. But today, I thought about the panic button.
It's not. So, Brock Purdy was under fire all day, it felt like.
Brandon Ayuk has still not got going, which I guess I understand. And Christian McCaffrey is now.
Is he out for four weeks at least? He's on the IR. so not panic button because I think the 49ers

could play bad and still tread water for a month because they have so much talent. Yeah.
But if you're expecting to go back to the Super Bowl, it hasn't been the greatest start with the fact that Christian McCaffrey is out for a while and the Vikings defense kind of ate you up a little bit. Brian Flores, he's a good defensive coach.
Not a good head coach, good defensive coach. Yeah, they ate you up for sure.
Christian McCaffrey being out week one didn't really seem to matter at all, but you think about how good the 49ers are and how many options they have, and you're like, oh, that won't be a problem not having Christian McCaffrey, but then all you're saying is that you're just going back to the pretty good 49ers that you had before christian mcafree right and then he just makes your offense look entirely different when he's on the field right you can't play defense against the 49ers the same way at all when he's just there right his presence makes it makes a huge difference hank what do you think about christian mcafree when do you think he's going to come back how long do people usually stay on the ir for? Four weeks is minimum. And he just went on this week? Yeah.
So probably no around week six. Yeah.
You think he's definitely coming back? Yeah, I don't see why he wouldn't. Yeah.
Okay. You think he loves football? Not like a Barry Sanders situation? Yeah, he's from a football family, football guy through and through.
He is. He is a football family.
Yep. Good point Flores, this just popped in my head.
I want to see how I can phrase this. Do you think there was a part of Brian Flores? Well, we know Brian Flores is the nicest guy, right? I think that's been established.
Correct. Do you think a part of him was like, man, Tua's concussion means I can't say, see, I told you so with how how bad to was playing before the concussion oh yeah he probably thought about that he was definitely rooting against to yeah he probably was like telling people see i told you so and then had to delete the text message after to have got the concussion because we obviously that was a horrific concussion he was probably upset he was playing horrible before the right so brian flores was like damn now i can't say hey hey i told to his to his close friends he probably would say hey i told you so he was he was equally upset with the hit as he was with not being able to take victory laps about to correct yeah because you know that's actually what the viking the vikings have done a very good job they've just completely sequestered him from sam darnold yeah brian flores should not be allowed to even look at sam darnold right because he'll just eat him a lot don't let him speak to a quarterback ever he probably mutters under his breath like sam darnold you're not worth shit dude but i think that might be a mark of a great defensive coordinator yeah if you hate quarterbacks that much true that you just will do anything to break them down yeah yeah just that's great just coach defense yeah this game also could have gone very differently if jordan mason hadn't fumbled was jordan mason who fumbled i think jordan mason fumbled he fumbled at the goal line going in uh and that like the the 49ers that's why the panic button would be stupid because you you just had some plays not go your way even though the vikings deserved this win because their defense was very good but like that fumble took all the momentum out of that game.

Yeah, how mad do you think fantasy owners are

if they drafted Chris McCaffrey first overall?

Hank, what do you think?

Might be a class action lawsuit.

Yeah, very mad.

But it's not like anything else is going on there, right, Hank?

I don't think so.

Okay.

Oh, wait, maybe it was Brock Purdy who fumbled.

Brock Purdy did fumble, and I think Debo might have recovered it.

Maybe the stat sheet's saying lost was only one from Brock Purdy,

and fumbled Brock pretty did fumble and I think Debo might have recovered it oh maybe the statute statute saying lost was only one from Brock Purdy and Jordan Mason had a fumble as well I don't know either way they fumble on the goal line yeah yeah um okay Jets 24 Titans 17 memes congrats memes let's go one baby all the apps still on your phone all the apps still on my phone all tvs intact yes let's go memes so how we feeling uh currently feeling great beginning of the game i was i was in a dark place because it was one of those time is a flat circle the patriots are good and and the Jets suck. Yeah.
Because it looked like the Patriots were going to win. Going to win.
I mean, it was 7-0. Yeah.
Now, Memes, you're a big TV setup guy, right? Yes. Like at your house.
It's quite the setup. How many do you have? Four.
Four in the one room, one in the other. So, Memes, you're also a big interactions, impressions guy on social media correct correct have you thought about if the jets lose a big game sacrificing one of those tvs just to do numbers to buy another one easily just smash many times well no i was going to if they if the titans scored a touchdown and got the two-point conversion and they would have gone for were you gonna film it probably not it would just been a full kick.
Well, you got to film it.

You got to have like a GoPro going.

Yeah, I'll set one up on the ceiling so it captures it.

I don't think I have time to take the phone out and then.

Right.

It's just got to be all one motion.

Yeah.

Have you thought about which TV you're going to sacrifice when it does happen?

The one all the way to the left.

Okay.

That's the one.

That's like the bastard child.

You don't like that one? Memes. How are you feeling about Nathaniel Hackett and Robert Salah? First quarter, I wanted every single person fired.
As the game progressed, I'm okay. Because there's a chance Robert Salah is just not a good head coach, but he always had the excuse of Zach Wilson as his quarterback.
Yeah, there's a very good chance. Because the Jets were kind of sloppy again.
A lot of penalties. Just like, what was up with, there was multiple times where I feel like Aaron Rodgers, the play clock, they had to call timeouts.
I believe that was on Aaron Rodgers. Okay.
He just forgot. He forgot about time.
Yep. Okay.
That'll happen when you're in a darkness retreat, yeah. What do you think about my guy Braylon Allen? Badger.
Braylon Allen's a stud. Having him and Brees Hall in the same backfield is a problem.
Yeah, it is. Do you want the craziest woe stat? Yes.
It was such a woe stat that I actually had to call Jake and tell him the stat because I knew he'd appreciate it. I swear to God, I called him like an hour ago.
Braylon Allen is the youngest player to score a touchdown in the NFL in almost 100 years, since 1930. 1930 was the last time there was someone as young as him.
Braylon Allen today is 20 years old, 239 days. In 1930, Arnie Herber was 20 years old, 239 days.
The exact same age. They're both from Wisconsin.
They both are Badgers. That was the last time someone as young as him scored a touchdown.
To the day. So they tied.
Yeah. Arnie Herber was a problem.
I watched some of his. He was actually the first one to pass.
Was he really? Yeah. So was he quarterback or running back? He was both.
Okay. So kind of like a dual threat guy.
Yeah, like a Justin Fields. I like that.
Yeah. Yeah, memes.
Braylon Allen, he is very, very explosive. And this is why running backs should be allowed to enter the draft earlier.
Because you get guys like that that are ready, and then they get to their second contract by the time they're, what, like 24, 25 years old? Yeah, I mean, he's young. He's always been young.
Then you can dip on a second contract. But, yeah, he's very fun to watch.
He was 17. Was that a woe for you? That was a wo crazy herber we might need my mind is blown we might need you to make an arnie like arnie herber was a problem highlight reel what team did he play for he played for the packers so he he had a crazy story he uh played freshman for wisconsin yeah then went to regis college in denver and regis college disbanded their football team.
And so he's from Green Bay. He moved back to Green Bay and was working as a janitor, and then they were just like, he's like, can I try out for the team? And then he was a problem.
And then he was a phenom. And then he scored.
Is this him right there? Yeah. He's running the ball.
He's passing the ball. I saw one where he threw one of the worst passes ever, but it worked.
Look at that. Back foot.
He's actually known as the predecessor to the Sammy Ball, the guys who started really throwing the ball. This is sick.
Yeah. Arnie Herber.
Problem. Look at him.
Look at that field. It's trash.
Bang. Dime.
Oh, is that a milkman? Yeah. It looked like a milkman got lost.
The ref uniforms used to be newsboy caps and then pajamas. That guy rules.
And there's all, yeah, look at that. That was a tight spiral.
Yeah, they were probably saying that's witchcraft. You can't pass the ball.
Arnie Herber, problem. So, yeah, that 20 years old, 239 days.
That's where Alan Allen did the exact same thing today. Yeah, I do like how Nathaniel Hack hackett is kind of figuring out all these guys they actually do have in their offense braylon allen was this week next week they'll figure out mike williams yeah i'm thinking one week at a one week they'll figure out every single person they have on the team when is garrett wilson going to be figured out uh thursday night okay so nathaniel hackett is essentially uh renting an Airbnb And like you get there You check in at night And then the next day you're like Oh there's this room? Yeah essentially Oh shit they got a back patio? Oh cool we can just unlock everything here Yeah one week at a time though Okay Yeah you can't put too much on his plate No GTL for Thursday That's that line.
Oh. Where's the game being played? New York.
I'm going to say it's New York. New Jersey.
In New Jersey, I'm going to say the New Jersey Jets minus three and a half. I was going to say four.
What is it? I'm going to guess four and a half. I'm going to say five.
We've covered it all. Max, do you want to go five and a half or do you want to go two and a half? I'll go two and a half.
Oh, wow. Okay, we've got it all.
I guess we didn't have three. All right, do we have a line? Is anyone looking at it? Hank, when you say, should we do GTL, you should look up GTL.
So then you can tell us the GTL. My phone's dead.
Oh, again?

Whoa, Jets minus seven.

Seven.

Our advanced stats say you got to hammer the Patriots.

Yeah, I'm going to hammer the Patriots.

Damn.

Wow.

Damn.

Wow.

It must have been Braylon Allen.

He's only 20 years old, 239 days.

Maybe, do they know Drake May starting?

Oh.

Does Vegas know something?

Push the ball downfield. Yeah.
Will Levis, we like. Yep.
Will Levis needs to maybe go to a Mike Pence conversion therapy where they're like sacks are okay. That would be the opposite.
Yeah, that would be the opposite. No sacks.
Taking a sack is okay. No, still not Mike Pence he did he did the same thing different because it wasn't a pick six but it was a fumble uh where he was getting sacked and he just threw the ball backwards when they were going in on the six yard line yeah it's okay to take a sack we'll have us play better today but it's okay to take a sack and not do it's actually briscoe said he's kind of like Josh Allen, early Josh Allen, and there is a similarity in that just mash all the buttons and hope the play works.
That play was – it was full Josh Allen. It was bad Josh Allen.
I think Josh Allen did that exact same play when he was in the playoffs. Was it against the Texans? I believe it was.
It was the same game where he threw the bomb downfield to the fullback. Right.
Yeah, it was the exact same type of play where he was upside down and then threw the ball underhand to some guy that wasn't standing there yes and one of the worst fumbles that you'll ever see he does he is a little bit crazy crazy i think you're going to get a lot of he's crazy um at when he throws the ball downfield sometimes it looks really good coming out of his hands he's got strong arm he can look good he can run but he needs to be just like 20 less crazy yeah maybe even 40 less crazy because the titans defense is good yeah they are that's a good defense and like that he's got some weapons too yeah they could have won yeah like the titans are the titans are the number one oh and two team that could easily be two and oh yeah le. LeJerry Sneed, pretty good at defense.
Yeah. Calvin Ridley.
Great catch. Unbelievable catch.
Just dial back the crazy. Just turn it down a little bit.
Yeah. And just remind yourself that, hey, getting sacked is not the worst thing.
Was it an offensive coordinator or his head coach that was like, hey, Will, what the fuck are you doing? I think it was Brian Callahan. Was that Brian Callahan? Yeah.
Who we like as well we like him too yeah titans are gonna be they're not gonna make the playoffs but i think they will be one of those spoiler teams tough out teams you've seen it through two weeks uh but just turn down the crazy a little yeah also that's the complete correct reaction from your coach when you do something like that oh 100 you don't want to all were thinking you don't want to nurture that don't want to be like, that's okay. It'll be better next.
No, you want to correct that problem immediately. Yeah, you want to basically...
They should do the... I know it's kind of like a trope.
It doesn't actually... I hope it doesn't still happen, but you catch your kid smoking a cigarette, you make him smoke an entire pack of cigarettes.
Yeah. They should just have him just keep getting sacked and throwing it backwards being like another fumble fuck you what are you doing i was going to say actually the next time they catch him doing that he should make him smoke a whole pack of cigarettes that too i think that would fix the problem that's actually the best way to correct any behavior if he was just sitting on the sidelines smoke like what happened will why why are you smoking this pack of cigarettes did another crazy i turned the ball over crazy play where I could have easily just taken a sack.
I actually think that would work. Yeah.
Yeah, he should do that. Yeah.
Or ban mayo from him. Yeah.
If you take away the mayo, maybe he'll stop doing it. That's cruel.
You just give it as a treat. Yeah.
You're just like, hey, you can't have mayo this week unless you turn down the crazy. Instead of the things that go around your neck, the collars that prevent concussions, he should just wear an actual shock collar.
Yeah. And so during the game, just buzz him.
Yeah, you buzz him when you need him to just go down for a sack. Yeah, that is Mike Pence.
Yeah. Yeah, there it is.
We found it. Okay, next game.
Packers 16, Colts 10. Malik Willis did it.
There should be a giant blinking sign that appears on this podcast that whenever i say this is my favorite game to bet of all time that you should take the opposite of what i say and we call it in real time too yeah i mean i i like to pack they were my mortal i am a big advisors i'm a giant square i have four equal distance sides i have uh four six lines of symmetry however many a square that's me i'm square when i told you i was going to bet this game heavier than any other game that was the most obvious sign of all time that when uh when it's reached me when that level of confidence has reached me you should do the exact opposite of what i say here's the thing you can't you you weren't wrong in the fact that betting against malik Willis is probably a good idea the it just overshadowed that uh and I know that I'm I'm in for a war we're gonna get to the Bears game I'm in for a war next week with the Colts fans uh because the Bears play the Colts but Anthony Richardson is just not that good at quarterbacking right now right now he could get better uh I know that there were also some drop passes so i'll say that right right up front like there were definitely drop passes for anthony richardson but he had two very very bad interceptions and missing guys and the packers like i said on friday i thought they were going to just run the ball they ran the ball 53 times they basically were like malik here's the game plan we're going to you throw it i think he threw it 14 times he's 12 for 14 we're gonna play defense and we're gonna let anthony richardson make the mistakes not you make the mistakes and it was we give matt lafleur a lot of shit i think he's a phenomenal coach uh and that this game showed it like this was a a coaching game where matt lafleur was like i know that i got my hand behind my back with malik willis but i have a path and this is the path and they the packers ran it to perfection yeah it was it was ugly for the indianapolis defense and their run defense stinks yeah this is two games that was part of why yeah they've got absolutely gashed and this was it was ugly they just cannot stop anything they did fumble on the goal line they got a break on that one yeah uh so yeah it was mostly about the packers just owning the clock and then letting anthony richardson make the mistakes um he did not play well malik willis played better than i thought that he would too yeah i was surprised so he obviously didn't win the game for the packers but he had over 100 yards passing for the first time in his career so that's pretty impressive you ran You ran the ball. The Packers had the ball for 40 minutes.
And the Packers have now won 12 straight home openers. That's the longest streak in the NFL and the next longest going into this weekend.
I'm not sure where it is now, but the next longest was three going into this weekend. Yeah.
So now I guess that would be 13 straight home openers that the Packers have won. So tough place to play no matter what time of year.

Yeah, and they looked – I mean, normally I'd be mad that the Packers won a game like this,

but because I prepared myself and I was like, I think they're going to win this game

because I think Matt LaFleur is going to do a really good job getting them ready.

I was ready for it.

And again, Anthony Richardson, I just don't – I don't see it what other people see maybe hank you're an anthony richardson guy what do you see and and i know everyone's going to come after me like kill williams has not looked good through two games i agree we're going to get to that the only difference is kill williams is really good in college anthony richardson wasn't so that's where i'm like i don't know i don't know where it came from he's got a great pr team anthony richardson the college game that i saw many was the greatest player that's i've ever seen play I don't know. I don't know where it came from.
He's got a great PR team, Anthony Richardson. The college game that I saw him in, he was the greatest player that I've ever seen play in person.
Yeah. I know there's all setting up for Anthony Richardson to ball out against the players.
Anthony Richardson also had some cool games last year before he got injured. He's got, obviously, that arm doesn't grow on trees.
So, again, I feel like I'm repeating myself. I apologize if I am.
I understand drafting drafting him as a project it's just not there yet where he should be a favorite on the road i would say that anthony richardson highlights are up there with almost any other quarterbacks highlights yeah if you just watch his good plays and the low lights are tough low lights are very very bad yeah yeah so you still believe in him no okay we had a quick technical issue hank just teleported over the couch. We also forgot where we were in our conversation.
Quick in the pocket. Took a minute.
Oh, Andy Richardson. Quick in the pocket.
No accuracy, though. Yeah, I think I said, I think I was explaining it to someone.
His deep ball, if he could throw his medium deep ball and his short ball like his sometime deep ball. Yeah.
It would be sick. If he could throw his short ball like his deep ball and his short ball like his sometime deep ball yeah it'd be sick if he could throw his short ball like his deep ball yeah yeah i agree because his deep ball is awesome yeah except when he throws picks on it yeah yeah he's look i think he's exciting to watch when he plays well but right now he's got a lot of work to do yeah young quarterbacks shouldn't be judged by uh a few games he's what on his fifth game

yeah i'm just saying i don't see it right now maybe it could be the offensive line's fault could be could be the defense fault could be could be the rushing the indianapolis needs to figure out the run defense yeah i mean i again i just walked away from this game being like this is what i've known it forever the packers run a uh model organization that's what they fucking do They're annoying that way.

They have a guy who, by all visuals, can't play quarterback in the NFL, and they bring him out there, and then he wins a game. That's what they do.
That's what the Packers fucking do. I think Hank gave him a nickname prematurely.
What do you say? Tony Rich. Tony Rich.
Tony Rich. A little too soon for that.
Tony Rich. Today was not Tony Rich.
Also, shout out Josh Myers for puking on the ball and then still snapping it. Yeah, that was a great part of the game.
Wouldn't Malik say, like, I didn't throw the ball because it had puke on it? Yeah. Yeah.
Not a gamer. And the ref, I guess, went up to Matt LaFleur after the game was like, or maybe after the play and said, hey, if that happens again, do you want us to stop the play? He's like, yeah, I'd appreciate that.
That'd be fun. Now, is it a flag if your center pukes on a defensive lineman? I don't think so.
Because I would— Stink used to piss on people. Yeah, I would train my offensive line to do that.
Yeah, that was quite a visual, though, just puking directly on the ball and then snapping it. Yeah, then Malik Willis didn't throw the ball because he had puke on it.
Now, next week, we have a Malik Willis revenge game. He's playing the Titans? He's playing the Titans.
So how do we handicap that? Because I feel like we got a good Malik game today. Are we going to bet on it to happen two games? I might just keep betting against Malik until I win.
Just double my bet every time. I think it might be 3-1 against the spread.
I'm pretty sure. And the Titans have snatched two defeats from the Jaws of Victory.
Yeah. Good line there, Hank.
Yeah, but everyone's down on the Titans. Maybe I'm just cashing at the right time.
Wait, so you're down on the Titans? I think I might double my bets every week against Malik Willis until I hit one. Got it.
Okay. Yeah.
I feel like that's a good stretch. It will happen eventually.
It has to. Although Jordan Love, that was weird when he was questionable and then doubtful, but it was weird that he was even questionable for a minute.
Yeah. It was really strange.
Yeah. So then Jordan Love could start and then I'd feel like a real asshole.
Yeah. I was worried about that for you.
I don't think, truth be told, Big Cat, you'll probably agree with this. I think that it's just the Packers.

Just if somebody puts on a Packers uniform, that's what I said, then they become good

at quarterback.

That's it's it's bullshit.

There's some teams where you put on their uniform and you become a bad quarterback.

We know several of them.

And then there are some teams where it's just you fit in and it's it's again, it's they

have a backup quarterback and they're like, hey, here's what we're going to do.

We're going to drop a perfect game plan. Yeah, this is how we can win the game and play to our strengths.
And then they execute it. And then you walk away saying, how the fuck did they just do that? And everyone tweets you being like Malik Willis has more wins or touchdown passes than Caleb Williams and shit like that.
Yeah, that's mean. Yeah.
That's bullshit. And for a while, it was also true that he had more 100 yard passing games.
Yeah, but not anymore. Not anymore.
Wow, you're feeling yourself with the handoff king. Dude, he handed the fuck out of that ball.
He's feeling himself with the handoff king. Jayden Daniels is good.
He doesn't score a touchdown. Yeah, but guess what? We won, Hank.
We scored 21 points. First team in NFL history to win a game when your opponent scores three touchdowns and you don't score a single touchdown.
Do offensive, do false starts come back to the quarterback or is that not related? It depends. It depends on what kind of false start, yeah.
Because they had like 27 in the red zone. In the red zone, they did, yeah.
That's true. And we overcame them.
Yeah. All right, Browns, Jaguars.
Do you want to see him fail, Hank? No. I think you want to see Kale Williams fail.
I want all of your teams to win. I don't at all.
I want all of their teams to lose. I want Caleb.
I've been nothing but nice about Jaden. I want every team in this room to win.
I want Caleb to be good. I don't.
I was rooting for Caleb tonight. I'm starting to feel that's not the case.
I was rooting for Caleb tonight. Hank and I just wanted Jaden Daniels to score a touchdown for the parlay.

I bet that as well.

And there were so many times he was in great situations,

and then I was following the game cast on the plane.

I think I'm the second biggest Caleb fan in this room.

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

Why?

I just don't think so.

I think Hank probably is.

I'm on my fantasy team.

Yeah, Hank probably is.

I like Caleb Williams.

I think if there's like a mouse in here, he might be. I don't know what else to say.
I'm rooting for them. I'm rooting for them.
I'm rooting for them game we're gonna get to it but uh it's okay I can feel the the shift I felt the shift there I did I you guys both want your quarterback to be better than the other and that's of course well yeah yeah but I'm not rooting against Jaden Daniels like I was I have never said you can find one bad thing i've ever said about jayden daniels i'm not really i don't think pft is the vibe i understand the vibe shift i'm talking about vibe but like purely i i think they're like i think both of your vibes are shifting i think big cats his vibe at first because you're on high alert no i mean which is fine i said the malik willis thing and then you're like and also malik willis had more hundred yard passing games before caleb williams that was you basically turned into a twitter a twitter well at this at this point in the podcast i was also feeling salty about losing my bet so badly because it was a big bet and so losing to malik willis yeah then i get mad about malik will i've been gracious about it i bet the packers i've been very gracious yeah i've been very gracious i just fucking hate the packers and i know when they're gonna win and that was such a packers game i told you i wanted caleb williams to win how many nine super bowls yeah and then jayden just gets three yeah i feel like that's that's pretty gracious yeah we're doing a gracious off just saying the vibe shifted there. All right, Browns-Jaguars.

Let's talk about the Browns-Jaguars.

Browns defense is back. Trevor Lawrence had 16 yards in the first 35 minutes of the game, and they looked so bad.
Yeah, I've got a sad Jaguar stat for you. I courtesy of our good friend, Uncle Chaps.
He sent this one over to me. You know how long it's been since Trevor has his last victory as a starter? It's 294 days.
It's longer than the drought between his last college victory and his first NFL victory. Oh, man.
So it's been a while. Urban Meyer is coached his first year.
Yeah, it's been a while for Trevor uh the Browns didn't look bad today

and it seems like maybe having their starting tackles back makes a pretty big difference yeah they didn't look bad until they did look bad and tried to be the Jaguars they tried to out Jaguar the Jaguars uh they had the game in hand and then they're like let's see if we can fuck around and give this game to the Jaguars there was that moment with two minutes left where they had a third and 36, up 16

to 13. They ended up getting the safety, make it

18- 13, but that was close. The Browns were close.
They were close. The Browns also passed the ball for some reason when they had the ball and they were up late.
They could have essentially run out the clock, but then they decided that they were going to get cute with it and try to pass. Did not work for them.
It was nice to see Jameis out on the field.

Yes.

I guess he's their designated quarterback sneaker.

Memes had the stat 1-0 in games that Jameis plays.

That's pretty good graphic.

I think we've got a formula there.

That's pretty good graphic.

So are the Browns good or the Jaguars bad?

I think Jags bad.

Yeah, I think the Jaguars are bad.

I think the Browns defense can still be good

against bad quarterbacks.

Yeah, Miles Garrett was making Trevor live in hell today.

Yeah, and Trevor Lawrence did have,

he ended up with 220 yards,

but yeah, it was ugly for a very long time.

Yeah, it was very ugly.

It was a very ugly game, weird weather.

And Deshaun Watson, that one graphic, oh man. Do we have that? The latest allegation graphic for Deshaun.
He literally has, like, working in a factory, you know, five days since the last time he's had an allegation against them. I have it right here.
Deshaun Watson, latest. This was a graphic on the TV during the.
On the broadcast. Yeah.
I said it's bad when they have a latest allegations graphic ready to go yeah latest allegations monday accused of sexual assault new lawsuit this week strongly denies allegation of 2020 incident nfl reviewing under personal conduct policy 2022 season served 11 game ban for violating conduct Faces three active lawsuits alleging sexual misconduct.

Settled 23 claims in 2022.

Faced no criminal charges.

That's a rough graphic for you to interrupt a football game with.

Yes.

Now, I heard that when they restructured his contract, they did something with being able to cut him for moral issues.

Yeah.

So this summer, that report came out that they took the clause out where if he gets another suspension by the nfl yeah he can be cut and not have to pay him as much he's on a zero tolerance policy for committing sexual assault yes let that be a lesson it's finally enough is enough yeah after 22 allegations um is it 22 i thought it was more i forget how many i think it might the 30s. Well, I don't know by the time this podcast comes out.
Yeah, sure. I think we learned our lesson last week.
Yeah, the Browns didn't look great. Their offense didn't look great.
Jerome Ford looked okay at times, but they're not back where they were last year. No.
They don't look like they did with Flacco. No.
You can't go with a different vibe than Joe Flacco to Deshaun Watson. Bad vibe.
It was also uh deshaun watson's birthday this weekend oh which the browns pointed out by they put out a post on instagram and on twitter it seems mean because you know the admin knew exactly you're walking to happen with the comment section i don't know maybe maybe that's in his contract you have to wish me a birthday i could see him doing that i could see that too because there's no other reason for them to just subject themselves to the worst possible replies. Yeah.
It's like, well, I guess they know it's going to do numbers. They just stood out there and took it.
It's going to do interactions. Why didn't memes? Why isn't that part of our social media? Yeah, why didn't we wish him a happy birthday? We should start wishing Deshaun Watson.
Please put that in the calendar. Yeah, for next year.
Make sure you wish him a happy birthday and the part of my take socials i think he has this blocked that doesn't matter okay yeah that's fine still wishing him a happy birthday means we're getting too close to the truth to the truth uh all right last game of the early slate chargers 26 panthers three um this is exactly what we expected to happen it happened uh jim har has completely changed the culture now the Panthers are bad very very bad worst team in the NFL Jim Harbaugh has completely changed the culture of the Chargers to the point where Quinton Johnson is catching footballs yeah crazy right but it actually is and I know so I think there's some new, not new listeners, but also new just people to Jim, like my love affair with Jim Harbaugh, which has been very long time. I had to have it kind of under wraps when he was the Michigan head coach, just because I don't like Michigan.
Now that he's back in the NFL, I'm going to be posting every single thing the guy does because I love him to death. But his backing of Quentin Johnson this summer I feel like gave Quentin Johnson the confidence to be like, you know what? I can catch and that is my job.
Let me go do it. You need somebody else to believe in you sometimes.
And that's what happened. And he said it after he's like, everyone just piles on the guy and he's a good football player and he's going to be a good football player for us it's like jim harbaugh has changed the culture where quentin johnson is catching football and now justin herbert is accepting pre-game dap ups from jim where he just beats the shit out of his shoulder pads and his back the look that that harbaugh gave him after the first week where he's like no we're not hugging this is what i do to quarterbacks yeah for every game and then week two it rolls around and herbert's Herbert's ready.
He's ready. He's ready for it.

He's ready to go.

He's ready to contact now.

Yes.

Harbaugh's been so much fun to watch.

Now, if you're a Panthers fan, I do have a stat that will make you feel better.

I feel like we should give them a little bit of positive.

Try to find something that Panthers fans can be mildly okay about.

Yeah.

So this is the stat to make you feel better of the week if you're a Panthers fan.

Bryce Young had 38% more passing yards in the first half

than trevor lawrence had so bryce had 22 yards passing in the first half trevor lawrence had 16 yards passing in the first half whoo um that's big bryce young did that that little hop he did to try to get it over the lineman was so cute it was i feel bad for b Bryce Young. I feel bad for Adam Thielen.

They're a tough watch.

They're a really, really tough watch.

Yeah, there's not a lot to look forward to about those games.

The Panthers didn't get a first down until their fifth drive of the game,

and then when they got the first down,

the very next play was a Bryce Young interception.

That's sad. Now, is there something that Carolina Panthers fans could do

to do like a reverse major league to make their owner, David Tepper, move the team out of town? Can you tank property values in the stadium area? He's probably looking for a new stadium anyways because that's what owners do when they get a team. He's just getting restless.
He's like, well, this toy isn't working. We'll get a new one.
It's not anything about how I'm running the team. It's just the walls that my team is forced to play in.
That's what's making us bad. But if I was a Panthers fan, I would strongly consider trying to ask him to move the team.
Yeah, this is bad. He said, asked about his confidence.
Bryce Young says his confidence is in the Lord. At least he's getting it from somewhere.
That's good. Yeah.
They're a tough watch. It's in God's hands.
It's in God's hands. That was the worst matchup for them because the Chargers are a man football team now.
They ran the ball 44 times. Jim Harbaugh just – I mean, yeah, the team is Jim Harbaugh's identity.
He's so enwrapped in everything that he asked the equipment staff this week to give him Justin Herbert's shoes, whatever sneakers he wears, because there's not a gene in his body I wouldn't immediately trade for, talking about Justin Herbert. That's amazing.
That was his quote. That's amazing.
I love it. And I love that he's wearing his shoes now, because it probably makes him feel like a quarterback too.
Yeah. He's like, I'm a real ball player.
Yeah, I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go.
So he is keeping the team out east. We talked about this on Thursday.
So they're staying in Charlotte this week. Body clock.
He said, bring the board games for the trip. I looked into it.
I found out the board game that we're bringing along. I think this was on The Athletic.
It's called Chameleon. It can be played by anyone from three to eight players.
One player is secretly designated as the chameleon. A code word is also selected.
The other players must figure out who the chameleon is before the chameleon figures out the code word that sounds like a fun game oh so harbaugh loves it wolf yeah werewolf yeah sounds a little bit like secret wolves right yeah werewolf so they're going to just be playing chameleon all week which it should be fun just a little boys trip and harbaugh was like i love it it reminds me of just being back in training camp doing this road trip i get it i get it for him but also like training camp was like three weeks ago yeah four weeks ago but he misses it he misses training camp already it's so much he's a football guy yeah now for bryce young he did uh he set a record today so he threw for 84 yards on 18 completions which is record low for that completions panthers haven't led a game in 272 days i guess 273 now it's a long time without a lead so i have a question for you big cat yeah can the panthers should the panthers bench bryce so why would you because he's not very good But what's the point? Are you trying to win football games?

Well... So why would you? Because he's not very good.
But what's the point? Are you trying to win football games? Well, in theory. In theory.
Theory. But you would have, if you're just this bad all year, you'd have the number one pick.
Then you can draft a quarterback of your choosing. Yeah.
I see what you're saying. I do think they would maybe fuck around and win a couple games with Danny Dalton.
I guess the question is what, because it sucks for Bryce Young. I don't know if he ever would have been a good quarterback, but it doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen in Carolina.
I feel like that part is kind of done, because even if he plays the rest of this year, there's no way the Panthers are going to be good enough where they're like, we're going to keep him going forward, especially if they have the number one pick. Okay.
So, Canales was brought in to fix Bryce Young. Right.
Because he's obviously still a very young quarterback. They still probably hope that he can be good.
You can't give up hope in year two. Yeah.
So, they hired a head coach to fix him. He's not playing well right now.
Would he play better if he was benched right now and got to sit for a while and watch Andy Dalton? Would that improve the long-term prospects for Bryce Young? I don't know if it would. I don't think anything would improve.
Maybe. I guess you could try it.
But then Andy Dalton, then you come into the problem of Andy Dalton plays better. Everyone in the locker room is like, this guy's better.
You try to go back to Bryce Young, and everyone in the locker room is like, what the fuck are you guys doing? We're putting our bodies on the line, and you just bench the better quarterback. And then Bryce Young understands that the better quarterback is Andy Dalton, and then he feels weird about playing.
I mean, he probably feels weird about his play right now. Yeah.
I yeah i mean it sucks it's a bummer i feel bad for him it's it's a tough watch he he uh he didn't complete a pass over 10 air yards and he only attempted two of them over 10 air yards yeah so he's just not even was one of those a cute little jump it might have been no that was kind of a sideways yeah yeah sidelines yeah it's a tough The last thing is, I think you posted this as well, PFT, but the Harbaugh quote that we got to play for the people is so, so good. I'm going to play it here.
Let's see. I'm going to find it.
Let me get it. Ready for this? Yep.
Guys who like football. I love guys who like football.
And guys who like football, they like me back. And I like them back.
And even guys that don't like football, I mean, they try to avoid me because I'm always trying to get them to like football more. One of the best quotes ever.
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Let me play it one more time. Then I'm going to ask my question.
Okay. I love guys who like football.
And guys who like football, they like me back. And I like them back.
And even guys that don't like football, I mean, they try to avoid me because I'm always trying to get them to like football more. Without saying too much, I think we uh remix this and make it our new intro okay what do you think i'm in yeah i mean it's the perfect quote he literally made that quote for us i like guys he described our podcast one of my favorite parts about that quote is he said i love guys who like football yeah so you don't even have to love football for jim harbaugh to love.
Right. You just have to like football.
Right. If you like football, then he loves you.
And then later on in the quote, he almost says, even guys who don't like football, he was almost saying like, I like those guys too. But then he stopped himself.
He was like, well, no, they probably don't like me because I'm always trying to get them to love football. Right.
Which is so applicable to all of our lives where it's like people who don't like football, you, you in that social setting where it's like you find someone who doesn't like football, and you can get through maybe a few minutes of conversation, then just boom. Wait, so what do you do on Sundays? You don't watch football? Then what's your life? What do you do? What do you care about? What do you love? We might as well just be from different countries.
I don't understand this. I love guys who like football.
There should be a dating app for just guys that like football. Yeah.
It's called Yahoo Fantasy Football. I like that.
It's called DraftKings DFS, which, how did we finish? Did I win? I was close. Yeah? How did you finish? It's a dead last.
Oh. That was a great setup.
I was close as fuck. you finish dead last oh that was a great setup I was close as fuck you were should we should we remix that and make it an intro I think we should I'm already working on it oh hell yes Max I like it let's go alright so that's a I'm excited about that and he's our good friend it really is like it's so refreshing that I can just embrace and enjoy everything that Jim Harbaugh does again because it was like this when he was with the Niners and then when he went to Michigan I was like well I gotta take a step back here because I gotta play them and all that shit and now we're back.
It's great I would watch a Hard Knocks on just Jim Harbaugh like a Yeah. Like a guy in a khaki outfit just following him around like he's a wildlife photographer.
Yeah. Observing Jim and talking about all the things that Jim's doing.
Yeah. I did see a very funny, a Michigan fan it seemed like, online basically trying to get, it was very clear it was one of those people that only watches college football.
Yeah. It took Jim Harbaugh two weeks to tie Urban Meyer's wins in the NFL.
He was in the NFL for a while, and he won a lot of games before that. Yeah.
I like that, though. Because usually it's all the other way around.
Yeah. When it's like NFL guys parachuting into college football.
Right. And then talking about those players, and then to see it come the other way.
That's nice. Yeah.
like that guy was watching the chargers game like wow jim harbaugh is a pretty good nfl coach you know a lot of times these guys don't translate to the nfl but harbaugh does so yeah uh panthers are the biggest bummer and i don't know what the spread i who they play next week oh they're i think they're playing the Raiders. Whose line is it anyway? Where is it?

Can you find it?

Yep. It's in Las Vegas, I believe.
I don't – the Panthers are going to get to a point, if they keep losing like this, where their spreads are going to get. They're going to be like college football spreads.
Can you imagine? Yeah. Okay, I'm going to say Raiders minus seven.
I'm going to say Raiders minus seven and a half. One of you is correct.
Which one? Big cap. Seven.
All right. So it'll probably be seven and a half.
Let me see. I'm going to look up the Panthers schedule real quick.
Let's see where. Find their win.
not only find their win, but I want to see how outrageous

these games are going to get a nice five and five split next week too yeah i like that bengals week four uh is going to be a pretty that's gonna be like a 10 so they play the chiefs uh looks like after thanksgiving i mean that mean, that could be like a 17 points point. That's mean.
Yeah. They play the Eagles at the Eagles, Cowboys.
Those could be creeping up 14, 17 points. Then you're going to be like, I have to bet them.
Oh, shit. What? I didn't realize we had a Tony Rich-Caleb Williams bowl next weekend.
Yeah. Dude, that's what I've been saying.
Hello. I didn't realize that was all leading up to this.
Now the feelings make more sense. I was saying that I'm like in, it's going to be, no matter what, it's going to be hell for me for four hours because it's just going to be hell.
It's going to be hell. Where have you been? a top that was like a point of conversation yeah i didn't realize it was next week yeah that's the entire point behind the rich stuff yeah but i'm saying all this stuff knowing there's a chance that anthony richardson could beat kale williams and i'm just going to i will have to deactivate my twitter yeah all right let's get to uh we'll do a couple ads and then we'll get to the afternoon games and talk Sunday Night Football.
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Yep. A lot better.
Joe Burrow looked okay. Yep, Joe Burrow looked okay.
I was like, walked away from that game saying the Bengals that, I thought the Bengals might be in trouble. I was teetering on that with the wrist and everything and the water bottle.
I do not think the Bengals are in trouble. They just couldn't beat the Chiefs because the Chiefs just are inevitable yeah they're inevitable a million times it's we had one of the coolest interceptions ever uh by the bengals a one-handed grab down the sideline and it was like this incredible play cam taylor brit and then like three plays later joe burrow fumbled in the in the end everyone stopped playing and the Chiefs ran in for a touchdown yeah and Cam Taylor Britt was the guy that was talking shit about Xavier Worthy yes Xavier Worthy didn't beat him Patrick Mahomes had what like 154 yards passing today yeah so they limited him a little bit Xavier Worthy with two for 17 so he was kind of right but there's there's a an issue that I've seen creeping up and it showed its head today.
Maybe you'll agree with this. That last flag of the game.
Yeah. A lot of people have Chiefs derangement syndrome when it comes to the refs.
Oh, yeah. A lot.
And it's an issue. So occasionally the Chiefs will get calls, and I think the biggest difference is with the Chiefs, if they get a call that's borderline, they make you pay for it, and they end up winning the game usually if they get one thing that goes in their favor this was a perfectly normal call and then you see all the people like across the NFL media landscape posting still shots of what appears to not be pass interference correct it was very clearly pass interference yes listen the Chiefs we can complain about thes being thieves of joy, but it doesn't always have to be the refs gave a win to the Chiefs.
It's even one, I completely agree with everything you said. It's one more than that because it is the Bengals.
Yes. And listen, we love Joe Burrow.
We've spent some time in Cincinnati. Bengals fans, for the most part, are very good people.
they also probably lead the league in online uh like screen grabs posting them constantly this all started maybe with the Damar Hamlin stuff and like it's not fair that we're doing a coin flip all this shit uh but Bengals fans and Chiefs fans is a very combustible situation and then you add a defensive pass interference which i agree was it was pass interference uh and you have what's going on right now where we have the minute you have reply guys uh quoting the nfl rule book you know you're in too deep yes and we have and then i don't know if you've seen this pft but uh bengals fans have now also and i'm not i'm not judging bals fans because I would do the same thing. So I just want that on the record that Bengals fans, you have every right to be upset about this maybe for like two days.
Then you've got to get on with the season. They found a holding call that was missed on that same play.
So they're now screen grabbing that and throwing it under every single reply. But you're absolutely right.
The Chiefs are very, very hard to beat. So if they get any call late in the game, whether it's warranted or not, everyone's going to be like, this is bullshit.
The Chiefs already are really good. Why are we helping them out at all? Yeah, and if you remember that game last year where Mahomes did not get the call.
Correct. And then after the game.
It's the Packers, yeah. And then after the game, he was like, no, I'm not going to blame it on that.
I'm not going to complain about that. I'm going to yell at my wide receivers.
Yeah, like sometimes the shit doesn't go your way. And I get it too if you're a Bengals fan because you're furious.
You played good enough to win. You lose at the last second.
And you can find all the screenshots that you want if you just look at every play. You can just pause it and it'll be blurry enough and take a picture and be like, look, our guy that one you didn't call it you have to have so you can't just be like okay i admit it we lost great game chiefs you have to fight it for a little bit yeah you have to you have to fight it and you have to be like well we didn't really lose the refs fucked us yeah and that that'll make you go to sleep a little bit better if you can be angry at somebody that's not your own team right um or just you don't you want to delay accepting the fact that the chiefs are just really good when it counts right and they just are we should note there was that one game where he did complain yeah he went up i think it was after i think he went up to josh after a game it was like that was bullshit and you know it yeah he apologized afterwards yeah but that that was heat of the moment bengal's fans are in heat of the moment right now you get a cup 48 hours hours, go off, say everything you want.
It's going to make you feel a little bit better. It's not going to change anything.
Yeah, screen grabbing. But it will make you feel better.
Screen grabbing the NFL rule book is a wild move. Right.
Especially the one that was going around, which was like, you don't have to call pass interference if the defender's making a normal play of the ball and they're not trying to move the other guy out of the way. Then you could say that about almost every pass interference.
You'd be like, I think he was trying to make a play on the ball. And here's a pathetic fact about all of us, and I'm talking to all the listeners, all of us in this room, and this is just the truth.
When you get screwed in a game like this, when you think you get screwed in a game like this, because, again, we don't think that they got screwed. That was the right call.
When you think you get screwed in a game like this because again we don't think that they got screwed that was the right call when you think you get screwed in a game like this sometimes the best coping mechanism is to get in a hours long argument with a random person on twitter yeah that's what you do you just you you go back and forth with someone and you try to well actually them and you never get to an actual point that makes any sense whatsoever. And you guys will never see eye to eye, but it's, it's kind of, it kind of brings off the stress and you're like, Hey, you know what? I feel better that I just had a two hour argument with, with fart sniffer 69 and I don't even know where he is.
Yeah. Then you just get really mad at fart sniffer.
Yeah. Right.
And you're like this guy online. And then when he- Then you block him.
Then when he makes a good point, you just stop responding to the conversation. Yeah, agreed to disagree.
And move on. But you can see how the Chiefs are just morphing everybody into a conspiracy theorist.
Yes. When they win these types of games.
It's Chiefs-a-gate. Right.
Is what it is. And they're just like, this cannot be how the game ended.
You must have cheated. I'm going to get to the bottom of this.
It's kind of like the Super Bowl against the Eagles. Yeah.
Where there's two things can exist in the same exact universe where a penalty can be a penalty. And you can also be mad that the game ended on that.
Yeah. That's the truth.
Like the Eagles penalty was a penalty. And we all said all said well that was a really underwhelming finish

for a Super Bowl this game

was a really good game that was hard fought

back and forth and having it end on

a penalty when it felt

like the Bengals had the

Chiefs on the ropes that sucks

and guess what Bengals

I feel like even though you're 0-2

and you gotta start winning some games

which I think you will a tough game on Monday

I think you proved

that now that Joe Burrow

Thank you. I feel like even though you're 0-2 and you got to start winning some games, which I think you will.
A tough game on Monday. I think you proved that now that Joe Burrow is back, you guys are the hardest out for the Chiefs.
That's a fact. They are the hardest out for the Chiefs.
If you ask the Chiefs fans, if you ask Patrick Mullins, if you ask Andy Reid, you hit him with true serum, you're like, what team do you not want to play? It's the Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah, I think the Bills could be up there in that argument.
They haven't beat them in a big game. But if you ask the Chiefs, they'd say we'd much rather play against the Bills than against the Chiefs.
It's not that the Bills are head and shoulders better, but I think right now I would put them easily ahead of the Bengals. Yeah, the Bengals haven't won a game yet.
What is going on with T. Higgins? I don't know.
Do we know?

Yoshi's next up, though.

He's fun. He's good.

Jamar Chase is in.

T. Higgins is out.
It's exactly the opposite of what we thought it would be like two

weeks ago. So I don't know what's going on

with T. Higgins.
I think Jamar Chase

and T. Higgins, from everything I understand,

they just flip-flop with who's got

the headlines this week that they're upset. That's what I'm saying.
It was Jamar Chase until the last week of training camp, and then T. Higgins has an injury, and then some people are saying it's not a real injury.
Then T. Higgins had to come out last week and say, I'm not faking it.
It's real. I don't know.
Can Bengals fans explain it to me? Because I've heard conflicting reports, but essentially what I understand is this all just goes back to the fact that mike brown is poor by owner by nfl owner's standards yeah he's poor he's like he doesn't have the money to throw at everyone and uh this is what ends up happening he threw all the money at joe burrow which he obviously should have but now he's got to pay everyone else and it's difficult and jamar chase says that he's not going to negotiate this season he feels like they lied to him oh no in the process that's not good so it's not good it's not good whatever's happening and since and i think it does boil down to the fact that he doesn't like spending money yeah it you forced him he had his back up against the wall and had to give a massive contract to joe burrow yeah uh and so now he doesn't have any money for his receivers yeah this is why you just should never draft really good players because then you have to pay him yep facts what a curse um we also have got a little too far with uh everything that patrick rahomes does is the best thing ever because did you did you hear that clip that tony romo when patrick rahomes he just missed travis kelsey threw it under through travis Kelsey it went in the dirt and Tony Romo, when Patrick Mahomes, he just missed Travis Kelsey. He threw it under through Travis Kelsey.
It went in the dirt. And Tony Romo, I got to find the quote.
He basically was like, that's a winning play. He did that intentionally.
It was so not intentional. But another Chiefs derangement where Patrick Mahomes could have an incompletion and Tony Romo would be like, that was awesome.
Dude, I've been watching quarterbacks that throw that incompletion for the last 25 years. There's nothing special.
No. A lot of guys can throw that incompletion, but not like Patrick Mahomes.
Yeah, it was great. I feel like the Bengals are going to be okay.
I really do. I watched that game being like the Bengals are going to be fine.
They do have to win a couple games. It's the September Bengals.
They always get to this point where they're like, now we've got to win some games. They always start 0-2.
This is the third straight year starting 0-2, I think. Yeah, I might have to just bet on them to win the Super Bowl.
It feels like they're probably a good price right now. They're probably good, yeah.
Yeah, they started in a bad spot. It's crazy to say that the Pittsburgh Steelers are 2-0 and the Bengals and the Ravens are 0-2.
Yeah. Both badly need a win.
Who do the Bengals have next week? Bengals have the Commanders. Oh.
Monday Night Football. Then they badly need a win.
It's an LSU quarterback party. Yeah.
And I'm going to be staring at it. And they play.
So the Bengals have the Commanders and Panthers next two weeks. Yeah, this feels to me like i'm about to get my ass kicked so this should be the bengals should get right ish the only good news is that it's not the standalone monday game yeah because i feel like we play worse when we have the nation's undivided attention on our shitty team yeah uh by the way update on uh dylan raiola cosplaying as Patrick Mahomes.

I feel very confident in my position that it's weird.

What do you do this week?

He did the exact replica of the run to the end zone to pump up the crowd doing this.

Yeah.

And then he did the jump that Mahomes does where he does a jump squat, and it was weird.

Okay, that's strange.

It's strange, but if it works. But if it works works i no knock on the guy he's a really good quarterback it's weird what he's doing do you feel confident in it hank no you still oh you have to defend it because of the tatum kobe stuff i don't think it's that weird yeah i think i think wait all right so you just let me hear hear you out quarterback before the game goes up to his student section, gets them pumped up, and stretches.
Okay, if a quarterback ran to the end zone and did the, let's fucking go. I feel like every quarterback does it every game.
No, no. You're reaching.
No, Hank, well, first of all, you don't watch college football, so I can't really, you don't even know what you're you're talking about I saw the same highlight you saw on Twitter and you don't think that that's weird? If you put him side by side, I'm sure if you did that with a million other quarterbacks, you could make it about the same But then you add in the hair and the facial hair It's a trending hairstyle I'll agree with you if the facial hair and the regular hair weren't...

If he had totally different hair, totally different facial hair, didn't wear the same

shades, and he did the pump up, I would agree with you.

Like, that's...

All right, whatever.

That's fine.

It's everything.

Max, I feel like you're...

He's a fuck...

It's so weird.

Thank you.

And you know that it's weird.

Thank you.

The look on Hank's face knows that...

He knows that it's weird.

Of course he does.

He's playing devil's advocate, which I appreciate. It's what you do if you're an 11-year-old in your backyard.
They're just kids. Not when you're the starting quarterback of Nebraska.
They're just kids. He's a good quarterback.
That's the craziest part. Be yourself.
What happens if he gets drafted? I know. Is he going to still act like Patrick Mahomes when he's in the NFL? No, that would be an electric video, though.
He shaves the head. Isn't he supposed

to be the number one pick when he's

available? Yeah.

It's not a knock on him as a person. It's just weird.

I think it's... I mean, it's so weird.

I'm ready to say it's a knock on him.

It feels like he

wants to steal his life. Yeah.

It's weird. It's weird.

So, was that talented Mr. Ripley?

Yeah. Is that the one where he just becomes people? Again, Hank has to defend it because of the Jason Tatum, Kobe Bryant.
Yeah. Just kids.
Just kids. Just kids.
Just kids. I don't think it's that weird.
Can you imagine? Again, it's like you want to be the best quarterback in the world. Why not emulate the best quarterback? You are a starting quarterback for Nebraska.
Why don't you just be yourself and be the best quarterback in the world? That's what he's doing. No.
No. That's not what he's doing.
He's getting the crowd pumped up. He even tries.
It's trash. What if it's just coincidence? What if he doesn't even know that he's doing Patrick.
He did kind of try to say that. He's like, he had a quote where he was like, yeah, I was playing baseball when I was growing up, which, okay.
He's like didn't really watch football so i don't i or what he said no he said that he was like why do you wear number 15 he goes oh yeah i was a big tim tebow fan yeah right yeah right and it's like you were no it's patrick like it's patrick yeah what if he like what if he starts dating a girl that looks like britney yeah tebow makes his brother act like Jackson? You have memes? There was also a story that he transferred to Nebraska because the colors of the jersey look more like the Chiefs than Georgia does. Is that true or is that something that you read? That's just a rumor and there were a lot of people saying it.
Okay, a lot of people saying it.

I like that rumor.

He's a good quarterback.

Yeah, he is.

Just be yourself.

You guys are haters.

I think it's very funny.

It's definitely weird, but it's also funny. I think it's cool.

You should start doing it, Hank.

You should.

Not Mahomes.

Fuck that guy.

Yeah.

You should start dressing like Shannon Sharp.

Uncle Lockwood. That would Shannon Sharp.
Uncle Lockwood.

That would be cool.

Uncle Lockwood would be awesome.

Yeah.

Double Unk.

That'd be sick.

All right.

Next game.

Yeah.

I'm happy we are in complete agreement that the world has Chiefs derangements.

It is.

And it pains me to say that because, like, yeah, sometimes the Chiefs,

they beat teams that I would prefer to beat the Chiefs. I'm not saying I'm a Chiefs hater because I'm not.
I respect the Chiefs. I respect greatness in all its forms.
When they beat the Bills in the playoffs, sometimes I'm like, yeah, I wish Josh Allen was able to beat this team and go to a Super Bowl. That'd be fun.
So I'm not a Chiefs hater at all, and you're forcing me to have to show you, like, open your eyes. This is weird to complain about that pass interference call.
I also think the Chiefs fans have a little part in this. They have to do their part where they have to kind of morph into Patriots fans and just circle the wagons.
Well, no, no, no. Just admit like you're better than everyone and you're not going to bother with the peons of the NFL because that's the best.
The one thing that I can't stand is when she says like, well, we had so many bad quarterbacks for yet. No shit.
Everyone has had bad quarterbacks. You have the best quarterback.
Just, just tell everyone that you're better than them. Yeah, that's it.
I would respect that more. Yeah.
Don't get in arguments. Don't say, Oh, Oh, well, you know, what about this call and this call that went against us? No, just say we're better than're better than you yeah that's what you need to do because you're going to be the villain no matter what you win enough that you have become the villains embrace the villain role and just be the villains the nfl yeah it's crazy because there's there are thousands of unique photoshops of refs wearing what appear to be kansas city chiefs gear usually it's like one or two yeah there's like the ref doing the lambo leap yeah there's that one uh but with the chiefs it's seriously i've seen thousands of them that are all different yes yes uh okay uh the cardinals rams we can do quickly kyler murray was sensational yeah he was really good marvin harrison jr awesome called it on friday yeah awesome first quarter for him.
Is the first win over the Rams at home for the Cardinals since 2014. Ten years.
I seriously... Kyler was...
He played perfect football to start that game. He was making the right...
Running at the right time. Passing at the right time.
Marvin Harrison. Deep balls.
James Conner might be my favorite running back to watch just because of how he runs. It's crazy that he can run that upright and just roll over people.
It is crazy. It's so much fun.
When he gets the ball with a head of steam and he's just standing, he looks like a different creature out there. They're not used to hitting a guy that's upright like him.
Yeah, and he shouldn't be that tall like they don't make running backs like that yeah it was it was a fun game if you're a cardinals fan if you're a rams fan you're in trouble you're in trouble cooper cup i don't know if he's actually injured or if he like tweaks something and then sean mcvay smartly was like don't play for the rest of this game yeah you don't have to hurt yourself anymore we're alreadyed up to hell. So he didn't play in the second half, and the Rams are already crushed by injuries right now.
It feels like 2022 Rams. Yeah.
When they had that year where it was just everyone got hurt at the same time, and they were fucked. Yeah, your offensive line is not looking great.
Two receivers that are injured. I felt bad for the Rams in the second.
It looked like McVay was just trying to get the game over yeah like let's just turn the page on this one yeah because the cardinals just rolled them and i i've said it but the cardinals are my fun watch they're fun they're very fun watch kyler murray when he's healthy is so much fun to watch and that loss at the bills week one looks like maybe the best loss of the year so far that was a fun watch great loss yeah it was a fun game and you didn't have to show show Marvin Harrison. Yeah.
You knew they were going to get him going. Save it for week two.
Yeah. And then speaking of fun watches, the opposite of that was Steelers-Broncos.
Yeah. I feel like the Steelers are like that every year.
Yeah. Not a fun watch, but they win.
But then you add in Bo Nix. Yeah.
Who has struggled. Still time, but yeah, it was tough to watch.
Justin Fields was good for a half. Yeah.
What was his first half? I think he had like 100 yards in the first half and then ended with 117. Yeah, they just ran the ball in the second half.
They didn't even really look like they wanted to score at all. Yeah, and their defense is so good, and you knew going into this game that Bo Nix would be in trouble.
Sean Payton gets the double whammy of what the fuck are you doing where he kicked a sad field goal because the Broncos have never been shut out at home. So that felt like he was kicking the field goal for that specific reason.
That one came, let's see, it was 10 minutes left. Or sorry, it was 10 minutes left in the fourth quarter down 13 to nothing they kicked a field goal yep uh and then i guess because he kicked that first field goal he did have to kick the second field goal uh and then with what two minutes left 154 left he kicked he kicked it deep he did not do an onside kick yeah so he only likes to surprise onside kicks yeah um there's somebody out there online jacob sanderson wrote this up pretty good i think he said sean payton made me suffer today i'm gonna make you suffer with me so this spells out pretty good sean payton had four possessions that reached or began in the fourth quarter today starting down 13 to nothing on possession one payton passed up a fourth and six from the 16 with 10 45 remaining in favor of field goals make it 13 to 3 in exchange for giving up the ball his team went from needing two touchdowns to needing two touchdowns fortunately for payton he did get the ball back but this time he chose to punt on fourth and eight from the 33 with 757 remaining locking himself into a best case scenario of getting the ball back with about five and a half minutes remaining, down two possessions.
Again, he'd need his defense to either stop punting, stop either punting or missing on fourth down, so Payton decided on the second straight possession that being down 10 instead of 13 was worth not having the ball and losing two-plus minutes of the game. On possession three, Payton faced a fourth and five at the 11 with 1.55 remaining.
he chose the path of the foot making it 13 to 6 and forgoing a chance to play to win regulation and to need only a field goal on his potential next drive so sean payton was playing extend the game until the game ended it's crazy so extend the game works if if you end up extend the game enough to win the game yeah but if you lose all that time by trying to extend the game, you're actually shortening the game. It felt like Sean Payton has a secret clause in his contract that – who's the Walton's? The Walton family.
Yeah, the Walton's gave him a special clause in his contract being like, it doesn't matter wins and losses. We just need to have the ball with a chance to tie.
Yeah. And that's how he played the game because they did actually get the ball back with nine seconds left.
People watch the game. And a chance to tie.
You know what? If people are watching on TV all the way through the fourth quarter, that's good for business. Yeah.
That's good ratings. It's like some Jerry Reinsdorf shit.
You can sell advertising in the fourth quarter for way more than you sell it for in the first quarter that time. Yeah.
Yeah. I guess it's smart.
They also did a terrible towel knockoff giveaway at the game today, which I feel like teams are 0 for lifetime when they play the Steelers

and they try to do their own terrible towel giveaway.

Yeah.

Because what they try to do is they try to drown out the towels in the stadium

with their own home team towels, and you don't piss off the terrible towel.

No.

You just don't do that.

It was bad.

Steelers are well ahead of schedule for their 8-9 or 9-8, it feels like.

So, Russie is still out.

He was inactive, but also the emergency quarterback.

Again.

Again today.

Jussie's 2-0.

Jussie's 2-0.

Do you stick with Jussie?

I think you got to go Russie.

You think you go Russie?

I think you got to go Russie at this point.

Because if you go Jussie again, you go russie i think you got to go russie at this point because if you go if you go jussie again you're essentially playing a game of russian just justin roulette i

guess with him because if you put justin back in eventually he will have a good game that they win

because of him and if that happens before he has his bad game then you got to keep going with justin

yeah at that point you can't switch to russie right now justin has played poorly enough where

you can make that switch right now yeah and then maybe then maybe if Russell Wilson struggles, then you put Justin in. Yeah.
So I think you got to go back and then maybe you go back again. Yeah.
Switch back and forth. Yeah.
And there's also, there's always one play in every Steelers game. It happens every week where they run like an outside stretch play against the Steelers defense and they don't block block T.J.
Watt. Yeah, and it's always a four-yard loss.
And every week, T.J. Watt makes a tackle easily in the backfield on the running back.
Yeah, and it almost gives him like a freebie that just gets him even more juiced up. But why does every single team run that play? I don't know.
He's such a monster. He is a monster.
He's an absolute monster. Yeah, their defense looks awesome awesome i have a bo nicks stat for you oh no bo nicks is 11 of 36 for 212 yards and four picks on passes that are more than five yards downfield so more than five yards downfield 11 for 36 four interceptions on those not very good and he is like he's a coach's son.
Yeah. Sean Payton looks at him like he's his son.
Yeah. And whatever was in that backpack.
We got to know. Yeah.
Famous backpack. All right.
Last game before we do who's back. We'll talk a little Monday Night Football as well.
The Texans 19, the Bears 13. What would you, Hank, I'll let you decide.
What should you like me to do first? You want me to get as negative as I've been getting in the last, I don't know, 45 minutes that we've been taping and talking about other games, or you want me to do what is trying to be a reasonable, stop laughing memes, memes. You deleted everything on your phone.
I haven't done that. Uh, listen, we all deal with losses poorly here i think that's i think that we've learned if we learn anything from from this podcast we all are not great when our teams lose would you like me to get really really dark really really negative or the calm easy like it's gonna be okay let's get dark first and then do the calm at the end and then move on.
Okay, so the dark is – Cale Williams is going to get murdered. He's going to get killed behind this offensive line.
And I don't know how this offensive line is so, so bad and we just completely ignored it. It's the old meme, you know, Panay Sewell blocking, throw it to literally anyone, Jamar Chase is in completion.
He is going to get killed. He got, I think there was, what was the stat? He got pressured, and he did not play well.
I want that on the record. He did not play well.
He played well for a half. I thought his first half was very good.
It was better. What do you do in that face? What was that face? Well, he played okay first i thought he played very well sunday night football first first start on the road in the nfl he played well in the first half he did not play well in the still doesn't have a touchdown yeah that's fine things those things kind of take some time okay max uh what was the stat going to find it.
36 pressures on 42 pass attempts for Caleb Williams tonight. And he was getting hit on every single one of them.
He was getting just driven into the – he took some big shots tonight. Six times he had a semi-clean pocket.
He was not – he did not play well in the second half. I do think he looked better in the first half than he did against the titans calmer hitting some guys he missed a lot of guys downfield i you could say that's pressure you could also say that that's just what it is i don't know i i just don't fucking know okay i don't know can i tell you it's fucked up.
It's all fucked up right now.

Can I tell you something?

What?

Watching the game, I thought that Caleb Williams was like probably the sixth or seventh biggest concern.

Yeah, I appreciate that.

So, I appreciate that.

I appreciate that.

Being honest.

Name a couple.

Okay.

Name a couple what? I wish we had done.

I wish.

So, we taped the first 10 games, the recap of the first 10 games before Sunday Night Football. You've probably already tweeted this at me, but everything we said about Brian Dable and his challenges, Matt Aberflues is 100 million times worse.
Those were two of the dumbest challenges I've ever seen. I don't know what the fuck he was doing.
One was right in front of him right in front of him you could see him on the sideline watch the play clearly two feet down and then he challenged it because he didn't like it and then later on challenging what the interception yeah yeah this there were no there was zero chance take the flag away from him yeah he shouldn't have access that he's lost flag privilege he has his brain for those two challenges was no different than uh like my five-year-old's brain when i watch him do something bad and then i'm like why'd you do that he's like i didn't do that like you're it was a five-year-old brain to try to convince someone that what you what just happened did not happen we all saw it it we all watched it happen in slow-mo and then you're like nah fuck it maybe they'll just look at it and be like no it's totally different so i listen every coach kind of has that little bit of uh i guess delusion in them where they want bad things to not be true i think a lot of people have that yeah it's a natural thing uh what separates good coaches from bad coaches is having some sort of system that accounts for that where you have somebody that's not as emotionally attached to what just happened yeah tell you hey matt that's a bad idea to challenge it you're going to lose a challenge yeah hey matt don't do that we're going to lose a timeout they don't have that in place which that's that's the concerning part to me um so yeah i i'm i'm borderline thinking like everything's fucked and everything's fucked. Do you want me to do the positive? Yeah.
Okay. So, boys, it's the second start.
The offensive line is historically bad. People aren't talking about the fact that those two interceptions, he actually made incredible plays to extend the play and then had to throw him up,

hoping something worked.

And the Bears' defense is elite.

The Bears' defense showed up tonight where they time and time again

were put in very bad spots, and they kept on answering the bell

and kept on making big plays after big plays.

And the Texans are a Super Bowl contending team that they went in there

and they held them to – I think they had one offensive touchdown, right?

Let's see. after big plays.
And the Texans are a Super Bowl contending team that they went in there and they held them to, I think they had one offensive touchdown, right?

Let's see.

Nico Collins scored.

Nico Collins scored.

I think everything else was field goals.

Mixon did not score.

Yeah.

I think it was all field goals.

They were all long field goals too.

Long-ass, we kept them to long-ass field goals.

You held them to extremely long-distance field goals.

Also, you guys have a good kicker.

Oh, yeah. Cairo Santos I trust 100%.
Yeah. Kicking has gotten easy for everyone.
But, yeah, I'm in a bad spot right now. I know that this is exactly what people wanted to hear.
Guess what? You got your wish. I'm in a bad spot.
I'm in a bad spot because I think that it's – I'm actually worried that even if Caleb Williams – I still believe in Caleb Williams. I don't know if Caleb Williams will survive.
The offensive line is that bad. Yeah, the offensive line was bad on – was it the second-to-last play, that sack that he took, where Daniel Hunter just landed on him, just jumped on him like a spider monkey? He got crushed time and time again.
It was all night he was getting killed, and so he's going to be very, very sore. And also the worst – you can run the ball next week yeah probably maybe hopefully um the worst part is that i think that hank is gonna be proven exactly correct that like this was a huge mistake having iberflus come back so hank drafted him though and shane waldron like i don't know what the fuck's going on with the calls on calls? It felt like every single time it was either a false start or the call came in late or Caleb didn't get it or everyone was running around.
And I don't know if DJ Moore doesn't like Caleb anymore. Everything's bad.
Okay? Everything's bad. Yeah, what was up with him not running? I don't know.
He was tired, okay? Everyone gets tired on Sunday nights. You're tired right now.
You're half asleep. Not as bad as last week.
There has been, I think, a 75% increase in false starts in illegal formations across the league this year. Point of that, unbearable to watch.
Yeah, the play calls were getting in late. It seemed like they were up at the line of scrimmage.
People were confused. like knew what was supposed to happen but he could only like point and grab people so much until the clock was expiring it looked a little bit out of sorts but the good news is this is the texans the texans are very good and it's not as bad as some of the bears primetime games have been in recent history it was pretty bad that second half was really tough to watch i kind of understand why memes cried i'm gonna cry um can you guys just make me a promise and just don't call him a bust until i say he's a bust i don't think he's a bust i don't think he's it's only it's only week two it's only that's the only thing you have to thank you it's we're one and one yeah i think i think you're like he he's look he look bad but like it's only week two and he's a rookie quarterback stop smiling Hank it's true people are listening and they just watched that game like Caleb Williams did not look good but it's week two of a long career in the second half but he didn't look like a fucking superstar he's averaging a half of a touchdown the offense is averaging a half of a touchdown per game right now.
That's not good. But it's only week two.
That's the only thing that you've got to say. It's only week two.
It's only week two. You can't judge an entire guy by two weeks.
Can't judge him. He's looked bad.
For the second half and the whole first game. No, no, bad.
He's looked bad. Max, he was good in the first half.
What defines good? Compared to the Titans game. Yeah, they scored one touchdown in the first half.
But he looked good in the first half. But, like, you guys have a wrong definition of good right now.
But it was compared to last week. But, like, that isn't.
How are his handoffs, Max? Yeah, see, this is. I don't care about his handoffs.
I don't care about his handoffs. I want him to throw the ball.
I want him to have time to throw the ball. Correct.
And that is an issue, for sure. But let's just not sugarcoat it.
That's why I don't care if Drake made a thing. He looked bad in the second half.
No. He looked very bad in the second half.
He looked like, he didn't look good in the first half. He didn't have a touchdown.
You can't say that a guy – He let a touchdown drive. Won in a whole half of football.
That's not like a good half of offensive football. That's pretty good.
So we're looking to have 14 points as an offense? Max is very upset because we hold Jalen Hurts to quite a different standard on the show than anything else. No, it's just that we hold all quarterbacks to a different standard.
But I understand it's a rookie, but let's call a spade a spade. I agree.
I was judging his first half based on the Titans game. But that's not what you want to do.
I understand. Well, it's baby steps.
So I was basically saying compared to the Titans game, he looks like the greatest quarterback ever. Then in the second half, he looked almost worse than the Titans game.
So we've gone backwards. Week two.
Two weeks. That's all.
I'm not going to sugarcoat it. And the Colts defense stinks.
I am not sugarcoated at all being like, Caleb looks awesome. I just thought the first half, he looked...
Well, PFT tried to say that the sixth

most concerning thing,

it's the first.

The Bears always will

be...

Max, I'll give you my

top six. What are you most scared about?

I'll give you my top six.

Future of the Bears, what are you most scared about?

Offensive line coaching.

You can fix offensive lines very quickly. Fixing a quarterback, not easy.
Coaching? Hold on. Coaching, yes.
But we all talk at the same time. Me and his brain is going crazy.
Offensive line is my first concern right now because it directly impacts Caleb Williams' growth and health. Fair, fair, fair.
That's why. The quarterback is the most important thing always.
I just don't know who would have played well behind that line tonight. That's fair.
I don't. And I'm not saying that he's looked good because he's not.
In week one, I didn't think the offensive line looked bad, but it didn't look as bad as it did tonight. And I said Caleb played really bad.
Tonight, were times where i was like this looks a little bit more comfortable and then it just all went to shit so yeah i'm i'm in a fucking world of hurt i've i all my worst fears it's all happened faster than i ever expected and uh it just sucks everyone's just i i think i tweeted fucking sucks, and maybe three minutes later, I had 550 replies,

and they were all nasty.

Very nasty stuff.

Very nasty.

It is funny, because it's like the bus meme, where Big Cat's one-on-one, he's on the sad

side of the bus.

I'm one-on-one, I'm on the happy side of the bus.

Yeah.

It's just about...

It's about the fact that it was a primetime game.

I hate primetime games. Yeah, primetime games are mean mean they're very mean to do to especially a rookie quarterback especially a team that has lost a lot of sunday night football games eight in a row it's very mean and i didn't like the bears uniform i hate the fucking i didn't like the traffic cone helmets the best way i could describe the bears orange uniforms when they wear them is like it looks like a seven-year-old's playing madden they're like let me just do this combo of cool uniforms it's bright i like bright colors they're just the bears have a great uniform why why fuck with it but yeah everything's bad everything sucks kill does not look good pretty much at all uh offensive line is terrible defense is great so it's bears football we're back in the same spot

first half was okay we really needed that we really needed that pump block needed a punt block need devin hessler to come out of retirement and then we might be cooking maybe keenan allen plays next next week and i'll be nice did you see how many he had like a lot of chains people were saying that keenan allen is overweight i think he just might weigh in wearing all his jewelry Yeah

I think that adds like 15 pounds

Fuck man

It's fucking People are saying that Keenan Allen is overweight. I think he just might weigh in wearing all his jewelry.
Yeah. I think that adds like 15 pounds.

Fuck, man.

This fucking sucks.

It happened so fast.

It'll be okay.

It's two weeks in the season.

I told you this weekend was going to be shitty.

Bookends.

I had bookends of shit.

This is a dumb sport to even be a fan of.

I just want to talk about football and hang out with Jim Harbaugh.

Yeah.

I don't want to root for anything.

Thank you. of shit.
This is a dumb sport to even be a fan of. I just want to talk about football and hang out with Jim Harbaugh.
Yeah. I don't want to root for anything.
Now, I like to, when memes, I should do the memes thing and just delete everything. That was sounds better.
And I also don't like when Max is like sitting in there, like he's kind of talking down to us a little bit, which he has every right to do. Very much.
Hank always talks down to us, but we expect it. Max is like trying to snap us into reality.
Yeah. And it hurts.
You guys are trying to get to a winning place. You're sounding like losers.
This is a hard part, PFT, where they can just do this to us. Yeah.
You know, for a while. And I know you're feeling a lot better, which I understand.
Well, just saying, yeah, those handoffs. No, but he's looked better.
Hank, don't patronize me. Jayden Daniels has looked better.
You patronized him. No, Hank, it was one handoff.
It wasn't all his handoffs. And you haven't even seen it, so you're talking out of your ass.
It's impossible to find. Literally impossible to find.
Have any of the first-round quarterbacks thrown a touchdown pass? I think Bo Nix may have thrown one last week. Did he? Did he? I think he threw one late.
Yeah. Because this would make me feel a little bit better where it's like, dude, maybe it's just really hard right now for rookies to come into the NFL.
No, he did not throw a touchdown pass. All right, so no rookie quarterback has thrown a touchdown yet.
Wow. Well, that's good, I think.
No, I think that's good. We should see if they do.
What are you shaking your head about, Max? No, yeah, I thought that he did, but I was shaking my head. I wonder.
Oh, he ran one. That's what I'm thinking of.
Oh. He ran one.
I wonder if DraftKings can do a bet next week. Oh, no, you play a play him in money night yeah i was gonna say it would have been great if we did a race the first touchdown yeah i feel like uh but you get juicy odds on jayden i don't know kill might never throw a touchdown i i honestly think that at this point it feels like there's a force field and we're never gonna get there chris collinsworth even said it where he's like, they haven't really run any plays in the red zone, so they don't know what to do.

I think it'll happen.

It's hard not to overreact to it because he did get his ass kicked tonight.

He got his ass kicked.

You got some good defense, like some exploitable defenses coming up.

Yeah, and also the Bears' defense is very good.

It's going to keep – I mean, the Bears got the ball back with a chance to win the game with a minute and a half left. Their defense is awesome.
What are you laughing about, Memes? You're fine. I'm looking at the schedule.
You got a couple... Colts, Rams, Panthers, Jaguars, Manders.
He'll be fine. He's just got to find it.
Cardinals. Yeah, the Texans are good.
They're probably going to win the Super Bowl. Alright.
Max, let's talk Monday night. How are you feeling? Would be a shame if you guys lost after you've been belittling us.
I wasn't belittling. I just wanted to have an honest conversation, and I think it was good.
I think it was constructive. Did we not have an honest conversation? We did.
I said that he was bad. No, we did.
I think we had a good conversation. That's all I wanted to do.
And and in relation to last week there were moments where he looked good because he was so bad yeah you you just gotta like hang on to those like those plays that were like oh that's a good play that's a good throw yeah you'll go back and watch the highlights and you'll just like look at those plays where it's like this is a really good throw someone will make like a like a all 22 breakdown of the good plays that caleb williams did and then the bad ones that's what you will think of going no no no there'll be a Bears guy who like goes and I mean someone did that for Jalen Hurts last week okay so that's why I was like the picks weren't his fault all good ones please make that for me uh all right so Max uh real quick uh Draft they're dishing out an nfl no sweat touchdown bet for all customers opt in get your no sweat token and place an nfl touchdown bet if your touchdown bet doesn't hit you'll get it back as a bonus bet download the draft king sports recap use code take that's code take to get your no sweat token tonight max uh how are you feeling about this game? And also give us a touchdown bet.

I like Jahan Dotson.

A.J. Brown out.

Jahan Dotson is probably going to have to fill in that role

of the

big

receiver in the end zone.

Like an end zone guy that you need to go to to go

catch a ball. varies by jurisdiction void in ontario opt in each week to get one no sweat for each game day no sweat bonus bet issued based on amounts of losing qualifying bet max reward varies bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance for additional terms or responsible gaming resources see dkng.co ftball um are you nervous about this game i'm nervous about every game are you going to the game i am going to the game.
But are you nervous or, like I said, scared? You asked me before the Sunday Night Football. I was nervous.
I said scared. I think we're six-point favorites right now.
Yeah. So I'm definitely not scared.
We should win the game. But we look sloppy.
We won week one against Packers, but it was a weird game. The field was shit.

Sloppy win.

I would love if we finished tomorrow winning by like 20 points,

that would be great.

I have a prediction.

I think defense is going to eat.

I think you guys are going to get after Kirk.

Kirk Cousins.

That would be great.

I would love that.

Yeah.

He didn't look like he could really move around.

I got deep into some Falcons film breakdown Twitter last week.

Apparently, they're having Kirk Cousins stand with his right foot back

when he gets snaps, and the entire rest of his career,

he's going left foot back.

So he might be uncomfortable, might not be fully healed.

I feel like your defensive line is going to tee off on him.

I would love that.

I would love that.

I think you guys are going to win. I think you guys are going to win.

I think you guys are going to win by –

Easily.

Do you know what jerseys you're wearing?

I do not.

That's kind of significant.

That would be important because if you're wearing –

you're not wearing Kelly Green, right?

No, that would be everywhere.

Hopefully they're wearing black.

I would like black.

Okay, so, yeah. Good luck.
You're going to the game are you tailgating uh kind of yeah kind of yes are people going to be uh i mean you're you're the king of philly you're gonna get people are gonna be like max max max i can't find my flight info right now oh no that's kind of that's kind of stress is that What, he said you might be going? Yeah. What do you mean? You can't find your flight info.
It was, like, booked for me, and there's no, like, confirmation. It'll be fine.
It'll be fine. Okay.
Find your flight, and then you're going to the game. Yeah.
Yeah. No, I got to figure that out.
Be a real shame. Also an early flight.
Hank. Hank is such a fuck.
This is the bullshit about Hank, though, is that he's so removed where it's like, I lose a game. Memes loses a game.
Max, if you lose Monday night, it's like ruined your week. Oh, that would be, yeah.
Hank, it doesn't matter to him. That would be a sad fight.
He's great. He can just fucking just sit up in his tower and just count the banners.
Oh, Dylan Rao is cool. Count the banners and just fucking chirp at us.
Because Hank has the reassurance of the universe that eventually things will swing back in his favor. We don't have that same luxury.
No. We have to trick ourselves into thinking that it's happening right now for us all the time.
And he just won an NBA final. We have the reverse luxury.
That's the worst part is that he just won his number one championship. Yeah.
You know what I – We're going to reap. Here's the harsh reality that me and Big Cat have to live with, okay? When you have a quarterback, when he releases a pass, we feel an impending sense of doom every single time.
I yearn to have a quarterback that when the ball comes off their hands, I get excited. And I'm like, something good is going to happen to me.
But until I get enough of that positive reinforcement for the rest of my life, I will just be thinking something bad is about to happen every time we attempt to pass. I don't approve it otherwise.
I don't remember the last time I watched a quarterback for one of my teams drop back in a clean pocket, like perfect five-step drop, step up, like 30-yard dime down the middle of the field, the guy's wide open. Yeah.
I don't even know what that looks like. And I do mean earnestly, like I want for you guys what I've been able to experience.
But we are the reverse where...

But I can't sit here as you guys try and justify these terrible games

and be like, oh, everything's great.

You also have to be real.

I never said everything's great.

Realistic.

Show me where I said everything's great.

Never said everything's great.

I'll take nine Super Bowls, you take three.

Well, that was exciting.

We have the exact reverse where he knows that everything will work out for him. We know no matter what happens, we'll just end up back in square one.
Yeah. I'm literally at square one where the Bears defense is elite and everything else sucks.
Square one. It's just nice to be able to not really care.
I was saying this earlier. Right now it's gross, but things are turning out very similar.
Everything. The Patriots look kind of good.
The Bears and Commanders both look pretty bad. The Eagles look good, but not good at the same time.
The Jets are the Jets. The Jets are the Jets.
The Jets are pretty hard. What the fuck? I mean, that is the truth, memes.
The Jets are the Jets. We're the best.
The only big winner is Shane. Shane owns the podcast.
Shane's a Chargers fan. He owns the podcast.
And it's because he's got Harbaugh. Yeah.
All right. Let's finish up the show.
We got Who's Back of the Week. PFT, you're going to do a quick ad before we go to Who's Back of the Week.
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Lay it on us.

Who's back of the week is The Sphere.

Yes.

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UFC at The Sphere.

I feel like that's going to be the future of UFC. I think it should be the future of all sports.
Yeah. Basketball game at the Sphere.
That's where the NBA Cup, the finals should be held in the Sphere. It looks so sick.
Every time I see the Sphere, I'm like, why do I not just live there? Why don't I just figure out a way to get a job at the Sphere? I don't think you could do basketball, but insane why not yeah why not it's definitely distract the players but i guess maybe not i don't know honestly who cares no you could probably black out this is like the one-on-one aspect of fighting it's like yeah you're like you have to focus on the guy in front of you because he's literally trying to choke you out. Basketball, you're moving, you're looking around.

There's like a little more moving pieces, but it would be unbelievable.

Yeah, it'd be great.

You could do the first half and have the sphere light up like it was one team's home arena.

And then second half, have it be the other teams.

I'll watch any event that they have there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

How big is it?

Could they do a football game in there?

You've been.

I haven't.

No. No football in the sphere? Probably not.
We got to build a bigger sphere. Yeah.
Yeah. How big is it? Could they do a football game in there? You've been.
I haven't. No.

No football in the sphere?

Probably not.

We got to build a bigger sphere.

Yeah.

We do need a bigger sphere.

It looked awesome.

Were the fights good?

I missed it.

Ah, Sugar Sean lost.

Oh.

There was maybe one of the gnarliest cuts I've ever seen.

You see that fighter?

Oh, I saw that.

Yes.

That fighter.

Yes.

Forehead was split open.

I saw that. Also, shout out our guy robbie fox yeah broke news on friday night did you see that i did okay um he broke news that michael chandler is going to fight in a fight before he potentially fights conor mcgregor so it's going to be michael chandler conor mcgregor michael chandler's sick of waiting for conor mcgregor well i think they're ufc michael chandler our good friend McGregor.
So it's going to be Michael Chandler, Conor McGregor. Michael Chandler's sick of waiting for Conor McGregor.
Well, I think they're UFC. Michael Chandler, our good friend.
McGregor. What? They're like holding him, holding him out.
Why? Because he has two fights left on his deal. And then once his deal's done, then he can obviously make another deal.
So UFC is delaying him so he can't do that. Do you think it might also be that Conor McGregor really likes to party? Yes.
Because probably somewhere in the middle. I don't know how that guy keeps going on camera.
Zooted out of his mind. Yeah.
Allegedly. But.
Just stop going live, Conor. He's so paranoid to just be on.
He's just on TV. On the moon.
You know, it's great breaking news about Robbie.

He also got Dana gave him $20,000 for his wedding.

Yeah.

Well, no.

Robbie won it.

Tunnel of chaos.

Yeah, tunnel of chaos.

Tunnel of chaos happens.

Yeah.

Tunnel of chaos.

I want to go back to the tunnel of chaos.

Me too.

The Bears don't lose in the tunnel of chaos.

At the Sphere, they could definitely set up like 10 TVs, right? You could watch 10 NFL football games at the same time in the Sphere on a Sunday. Yeah.
They should do that. They should do that.
That would be sick. All right, PFT, your who's back.
My who's back of the week is bands getting into fights on stage. Jane's Addiction got into a little fracas.
I think that was Friday night. Yep.
Perry Farrell went after Dave Navarro as the song ended. Threw maybe the wimpiest, least intimidating punch of all time.
When he punched him off. I guess they've kind of been like biting at each other's heels for a while.
Perry Farrell's been a dick on stage a few times. I didn't actually know that Jane's Addiction was still a band.
Yeah, I didn't either. I just thought that Dave Navarro, his full-time job was just being cool with tattoos on tv yeah i thought that's what he got paid for but also being married to carmen lecture are they still married no for like a year yeah that was awesome she was she she was one one for a little bit yeah long time she was great for me well it was like her and her and pam were like sosa m Maguire.
So I liked Pam. But yeah.
Both good. Yeah.
Both really good. Starsky and Hutch, elite.
Yeah. Sneaky.
Yeah. Yeah.
But yeah, they got into a fight and it looks like the band's breaking up now. Damn.
So maybe they took the bullet for Oasis. Maybe Oasis is going to be just fine.
Yeah. I think you and Roan are going to do that this weekend.
That's a good point. I should try to fight roan on stage yeah in austin go viral yeah that would be awesome uh we are playing in austin on friday night free show west 6th street hell yes come out check it out pup punk excited to be back in austin i'm gonna eat so many breakfast tacos love that put it on your mount rush for drink a couple margaritas.
All right, my who's back.

We talked about it earlier, but I got to pick a pinky team.

So let's do it.

Right now?

Yeah.

I thought you were going to wait until Wednesday.

No, we got to do it right now.

We have 0-2 teams.

The Falcons weren't.

Were the Falcons?

Could the Falcons be in there?

They could.

No.

Yeah.

If you're doing it right now, then no.

No, but if the Falcons lose Monday night, then the Falcons are

going to lose Monday night.

Alright, so I think... Don't say that.

What I'm going to do

is I'm going to, for the

first time ever, I'm going to put three teams in a hat

and I'll just pick them out. Is that fair?

Yeah. So...
Lottery

ball? Oh, lottery ball.

Okay. We do lottery ball.

I'm not going to pick

the Cincinnati Bengals, I believe, in Joe Burrow. That would be

disrespectful to Joe Burrow. I think the three teams are the baltimore ravens yeah again by the way i just wanted to clear it's gonna be from the like right here up the tip of my pinky so are you gonna go to the joint no or where's the joint here no it's going to be like half of my nail got it yeah but but also the flesh oh yeah yeah yeah i still don't really know yeah wherever the bone i don't i still don't know you legally can do this are you going to take off bone i'm going to not take off bone where's the bone start i don't think that's possible i think you would have to take off i'm going to take off off bone.
Where's the bone start? I don't think that's possible.

I think you would have to take off.

I'm going to take off some bone.

Because if you take off just, does that regenerate?

I don't know.

I don't like talking about it.

I think you just go full line.

No, Hank.

I'm not going.

No, you can't go full line.

It's a pinky bag.

It would look kind of cool.

The nail would also fucking hurt.

The nail would hurt.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, I'll consult a doctor, but it's not.

I have the right to go half nail up.

If a doctor's like, hey, man, just go to the line or just take the whole thing, I'll just do that.

Either way, every year I pick a pinky team.

They're not going to win the Super Bowl.

This team is not going to win the Super Bowl.

I believe they're not going to win the Super Bowl.

Don't do the Ravens.

Don't do the Ravens.

Why?

The Ravens could win the Super Bowl.

I don't know if they can.

Their offensive line is bad.

Well, let was going to do Ravens, Falcons, and Rams. What? Rams and Ravens would be scary.
You think so? No, Ravens is scary. I mean, the Rams...
They just had their ass kicked today. Yeah.
Alright. I should just pick the team that I think is not going to win the Super Bowl.
Yes! I don't know why you're like... You're right, because what BFT got in my head...
This is like an amputating part of your body. I know! The whole point of this was that it's a team I confidently think will never win the Super Bowl this year.
The reason I told you won't when it came to the Ravens is because the Ravens definitely have a chance to win the Super Bowl. Correct.
And I was just trying to. I don't want this to happen.
I know. It's getting reversed in everyone's head where they want me to definitely win the Super Bowl.
It's like, no, the whole point of it was that it started with the Texans that one year where I was like, the Texans aren't winning the Super Bowl. Cut off the tip of my pinky if they do.
Then they went on this crazy run and got to the playoffs. But I still was right, and I still believed in it.
Okay, so I think I know Big Cat pretty well. I'm translating his brain.
He does think that the Ravens could win the Super Bowl. Correct.
So it would actually be against what this pick is. He does not think that the Rams can win the Super Bowl.
I do not think the Rams can win the Super Bowl. You're very sure that the Rams can win.
I guarantee the Falcons don't win the Super Bowl. Just pick the Rams.
Rams or Falcons to me. But the Falcons are not 2-0.
They're not 0-2 yet. Yeah, they are.
No, they're not. Yeah, they're 0-2.
You guys got this, Max. I hate this.
All right. Final say.
I'm going to take the Falcons. If the Falcons somehow win this game on Monday night, I have to also have the Rams.

That's fair. So you'll have two.
Of two. Of two.

So you're big on the, you're

an Eagles fan tomorrow. Yeah, yeah.
The Falcons are not winning

the Super Bowl. Yeah.
Like, they're not.

They're the Falcons. You guys agree? Well, just

because of the fact that they're the Falcons. They could have,

you could switch their uniforms to the

Chiefs, and you'd be like, well, no, they're not

winning the Super Bowl because they're the Falcons.

Yeah.

Let me look at the Rams schedule real quick.

I could never see the Falcons winning the Super Bowl.

Well, you could see them winning a Super Bowl during the Super Bowl.

No.

In the process of winning it.

When you're up 28-3, is one team winning?

Winning in the Super Bowl. The Falcons at one point were winning the Super Bowl.
This is really stupid that I do this anyway because eventually I'm going to have to do this. Yeah, Falcons are not winning the Super Bowl.
Guaranteed. Falcons are not winning the Super Bowl.
I believe it. End the season.
But if they win on Monday night, then it's two Rams. Then I have to take the Rams.
Yep. Tip of the pinky.
Anything else? Do you have a who's back, Max? Oh, I do want to say who's back of the week. I'm so, so, so excited for playoff baseball.
That's not back yet. Yeah, but I can feel your anxiety, and I'm excited to...
Nothing makes me more anxious than playoff base i know because it is it's the most i mean playoff hockey yes but playoff baseball i think is just a different piece that playoff hockey things happen so fast that you can't even register it playoff baseball you just sit there and you're like well here we go like another pitch You you just have so much downtime to like let it all wash every pitch feels like 20 minutes and it's should we all bet on the Phillies with him I bet on the Padres but I can also sprinkle on the Phillies I'm gonna bet on the Phillies with you why can't I can I do that sure I mean Dave's already on the Phill, so it doesn't matter at this point. Yeah.
All right, maybe I'll just watch. I'll just bet him game to game.
I'm on the pods as well. You are? Yeah, let's go.
So what's the number? Well, I had that. It's the first time winner from like.
Oh, I forgot about that. I put it in forever ago.
Remember he did that bet? A team to win the World Series for the first time? Are the Brewers

in the playoffs? Yes. So, Brewers

pods. Did the Brewers

just clinch? They might have.

The Cubs just kept on losing games. Because Rockies,

Mariners, and Rays are not in it. Correct.

So, Brewers or pods.

What were the odds on that one?

Plus 900. Alright, good luck.

That's going to be great.

That's going to be fun. Shane, congrats on 2-0.
You're the king of the podcast. Also, Max.
Max is 2-0. Yeah, Max is 2-0.
And I have the Falcons. Stop it.
Alright. Good show, boys.
We'll talk college football on Wednesday. Numbers.
Nine. Three.
Eight.

Twenty.

Did you not pick a number yet?

Wait, what number did you pick, Big Cat?

I haven't.

Oh.

Three.

Fifty-six.

I don't understand why you keep doing the number thing with me.

I already won.

Yeah, I don't either.

I don't know why I'm doing it either.

I have no idea.

Congrats on the win, poke. There's a number.
There's a ball up Pug There's a ball up there There's a ball up there What What number would that have been It would have been 83 Congrats on what win for Pug Eagles You are jerks. It comes from a place of pain.
You get that, right? It's pain. All right, numbers.
Say it again. 29.
56. 97.
97. 20?

Bang.

Damn it.

It really, at this point, I don't really know what to do.

Love you guys.

Because I'm just a winner.

Love you guys. I'm just a winner.

20 bang.

I'm specifically just a winner.

Love you guys.

Congrats, Max.

Yep.

Congratulations, Maxwell. Thank you.
Thank you.