Raiders HC Antonio Pierce, The Jaguars Kid Who Got His Head Stuck In A Statue, Hard Knocks, Mt Rushmore of Tough Thing + Grit Questions With USC HC Eric Musselman

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On today's part of my take, we have a packed show for the AWLs. It is Grit Week Day 3, and we have Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce, one of the grittiest guys out there.
Great interview with him. We went to USC today to run a basketball practice with head coach Eric Musselman, recurring guest, great guy.
He is going to be on the pod at the end of the show to answer listener-submitted grit questions. We also have a very special interview, probably the only podcast that would do this interview.
We ran into, at the meet and greet, the kid, or he's not a kid anymore, the adult who as a kid got his head stuck in the Jacksonville Jaguars statue. So we did an exclusive with him uh which was great we have the mount rushmore of tough things we're going to talk hard knocks it was a very good mount rushmore by the way great mount rushmore great mount rushmore we have hot seat cool throne it is jam-packed show ever had one of those days when it's just too cold to keep working nah neither has ari Ariat.
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Today is Wednesday, August 7th, and football is back.

Memes, are you okay?

I'm good.

He's crying.

He's so happy that football is back.

It's wild.

We're going to talk about hard knocks in a second.

I just want to set the stage.

We are on day three of Grit Week.

Grit Week, as Grit Week goes along, the days get longer.

I feel like today was a thousand years.

Thursday.

Today's Thursday.

We are all kind of running on fumes slash weird fights, but fun fights.

I don't even know what's going on. I don't know hank wasn't being that fun when he was being a bitch earlier that's a real himity dibbity right yui we found out also we found out that huey says himity dibbity he doesn't why do you guys said that no i said i remember.
I said that Memes thinks that...

Oh, he thinks that he says it.

He thinks that that should be his catchphrase.

Oh, okay.

Can that be your catchphrase?

Hibbity-dibbity.

Hibbity-dibbity.

All right.

There it is.

What?

He said it.

I think he said the words.

Yeah.

He did the tweet, the smocking tweet.

Hibbity-dibbity. Say it one more time.
Ibbity-dibbity. How do you spell that? I don't know.
I don't think it's spelled. Yeah, and that's above our pay grade.
But football's back. And we are in Grit Week, and we're losing our minds, but in a good way.
Yeah, and we did the clothes thing yesterday. We had Huey and pug right pug went with you so we're wearing our new clothes yeah i got an outcast shirt i'm getting a lot of street cred big cat shirt is just awesome yeah uh but you are wearing like horizontal conduct horizontal seersucker shorts which i've never seen before it's kind of hypnotizing i didn't even realize till now one leg is horizontal one leg is vertical that's your yeah your shorts are hypnotizing kind of cool it's like i've been wearing these shorts all day it's like a magic eye thing for your crotch what the hell uh hank is rocking a daytona shirt i would just wear this outfit yeah hank looks good max max is wearing something yeah i look good yeah yeah what's your own life fit well you're wearing a tank top yeah welli, bro.
We're in Cali. You look like the owner of the shittiest bar in Mexico.
I think the boys look great. I think the boys look pretty good today.
But yeah, Grit Week. We're doing the damn thing.
So we went. We watched Hard Knocks.
Shout out Corby and Susanna. Great AWLs.
They opened up their home to us. They made buffalo wings.
And buffalo wings And Rosie Rosie the beautiful dog I wanted to be the one to shout out Rosie No the dog actually did growl at one person And one person only Max Didn't growl Did not growl It was a growl Not even a slight growl It was a growl It was a little I saw it It was a little hesitant There was no growl It was a little Not hesitant towards any of us. She wasn't hesitant to me.
She was hesitant. You guys suck.

No, she rubbed up against my leg.

I have dog hairs on my leg.

But we did it all.

We had a great meet and greet in Long Beach.

Tons of AWLs came out.

We met the kid whose head got stuck in the Jaguar statue, which we have him on the show

later on.

Shout out to the guy that just brought me a football.

He just came up to us.

He goes, hey, PFT, I brought you a football and handed it to me. That the nicest thing anyone's ever given this is the nicest present of all time yeah because then you got to just have a football and toss around hank called the awl soft as fuck because they didn't give him any drugs i didn't say soft i didn't say soft that's not what i said i was just the last three or four meet and greets we've walked away with like a lot of weed so i was surprised I was surprised that in California of all places that it didn't happen but I don't I wouldn't have taken that anyway you don't like them that's fine I love them they were awesome everybody was super cool today yeah so we had a great day and we we finished it with hard knocks uh at Corby and Susanna's house what are you gonna say I'll say I'm you probably will before the interview but quickly since i'm sure there's many many people who will not understand the jaguars kid because even our own producers are like i don't even know okay that's fair that's fair uh there's a famous picture of from 1997 to you no this was the nfl world the nfl world 1997 i knew it i knew there's a famous picture of a nine-year-old who put his head inside the jacksonville jaguar outside the jaguar stadium he put his head in the statues the jaguar's mouth and he got his head stuck in the jaguar and there's a picture of this little kid with his head stuck in the jaguar and it's it like the fire department had to come he's gonna tell the whole story i get to the bar today this kid this guy comes up to me he's like hey you've talked about me a lot but you don't know who I am and I was like all right this is weird this I'm skeptical and he's like I'm the guy kid who got his head stuck in the Jaguar and I was like shut the fuck up and he showed me his ID I then looked at all the the articles about it matched up age matched up everything um i used to post the picture every time the jaguars lost in my blogs and uh yeah listen if you if hank hates this interview pft i thought it was fun i thought it was a fun wrinkle i don't i don't think that hank appreciates the lore behind jaguars no you hate the interview it's fine it's a 10 minute interview it's a funny story jaguars the guy even Jaguars.
No, you hate the interview. It's fine.
It's a 10-minute interview. It's a funny story.
Jaguars. The guy even said to us.
I didn't even listen to the interview. He said ESPN.
I was meeting and greeting while you guys were interviewing. He said the ESPN and the Jaguars have reached out to him to try to get him to do an interview.
And he's like, I saved it for PMT. I love that.
Big Cat, I was standing next to him. As we started doing pictures and every maybe first or second or third picture, he'd be just like,

I can't believe he's here.

I couldn't.

Well, Jaguars kid is a big deal, Hank.

This kid is synonymous with Jaguars.

I would say that the first things that come to mind with Jaguars,

it's Blake Bortles, and then probably Blake Bortles again,

and then distant third Jaguars kid.

Yeah.

Also Urban Meyer.

Yeah.

All right, so we got a shitload for them for everyone but we should talk hard knocks uh which is great I loved hard it was a good good first episode I don't think that you did like it I thought you didn't like it no no no no I thought I went through some emotional swings during the episode I understand the storytelling HBO has to do I thought they were pretty heavy on the bad kaleb williams highlights to start but then they turned around and uh i will say right now just watching it i mean kaleb williams has aura he's he's also got a fucking fat ass which is good because that's the power uh to drive the football down the field i made a couple notes during it just right off the top because big cat did get upset with how they showed his the first 10 The first 10 minutes were just bad passes. I was like, where is this going? No, no, no, no.
In the first five minutes, they did a montage of some silky, silky spirals. Some great passes.
It was a lot of bad passes. This pass was great.
Yeah, and then it was bad passes. Then they showed some good ones.
I understand. They're doing storytelling.
I just, you know, and they also did the whole pun like, oh, everyone can take the L, but they want Ws. So I made a couple notes here, just of Big Cat's initial thoughts behind it.
First thing Big Cat said. Wait, whoa, you were recording me when we were just watching? I made two notes, two things that you said.
You can tell me if they're false. Okay, I mean, they're probably true.
All right, First, Big Cat thought that they were calling Caleb Williams gay when Iberflue said the word grinder.

It was a suspect cut.

I'm just got, listen.

Everyone shits on the Bears.

Everyone outside of Chicago is saying that Caleb Williams is going to be a monumental bust.

I have my defenses up.

I don't think that's true.

A lot of people. Okay, a lot of people.
All right of people. Sorry, we never speak in hyperboles here.
A lot of people are hoping for Caleb Williams to be a bust and wishing for Caleb Williams to be a bust, including Hank. I have my...
Hank's going to bet on him. I have my guard up.
You guys do the same thing with your team. Alright, alright.
You do the same thing with your team. So that was the first one.
So So after the gay thing I think that's a totally normal thing to have my guard up I'm trying to defend my guy I'm watching out for negative things Hank you went to jail for Tom Brady Yeah I know You had your guard up Yeah Right So I got my guard up After the gay thing Next thing was he, and Big Cat says, Caleb Williams has a nice ass. He does.
Yeah. He's got a fat ass.
You've never made a sexual comment? No, I'm just saying. You said he had a nice ass.
He does. He's got a powerful ass.
I want my quarterback to have a big ass. Drives the ball.
He's got a good ass. But I think as it went on, correct me if I'm wrong, I might be psychoanalyzing you a little bit.
Yeah, this sounds like you're watching me more than Hard Knocks. No, no, no, no.
This is from the first 10 minutes. There were only two things.
But I think they did use your clip, which was awesome at the beginning, when you said 100 out of 100, Cale Williams will be the best quarterback. And they were playing serious behind it.
It was pretty fucking cool. Yeah, it was pretty cool.
Alan Parsons project. But then Nick Saban said the one thing that gets quarterbacks is expectations.
Correct. Is that why you were feeling touchy? Because you feel like you've given him big expectations.
No, I'm going to say wild shit all the time. Just like you, just like Hank.
Yeah. We all say wild shit.
I get- What? Not you? Not me.

Well, do you want to talk about your gaffe?

Yeah, PFT is going to argue on my behalf on that one. Okay.

Wait, have I just been deputized as his lawyer?

I don't know.

I didn't know-

I feel like I was in a safe space in Corby and Susanna's house.

I didn't know I was being watched as closely as I was being watched.

Well, we talk about things on the show that we said-

You are, I understand.

Personally, that weren't personal. I get it.
I know that because I have my guard up. Right.
I'm agreeing with you that I'm psychoanalyzing every moment, but it's because I've been battered to a point where it's like, you know, like when you drop your keys and your dog flinches, that's what I do. When there's any negative thing, I flinch.
I think you might feel the pressure of giving expectations to Caleb no I don't feel the pressure at all I'm gonna give expectations to every I did the same thing to Justin Fields I did the same thing to Mr. Biskey I did the same like go on down the line okay I'm gonna do the same thing for the rest of my life Caleb Williams doesn't turn out the next guy I'm gonna do the same thing the next guy I'm gonna do the same thing and round and round and round we go and then when someone drops the keys or someone closes the door really loud i'm gonna flinch okay so nick saban sucks karaoke by the way that's i agree yeah i said that if you want to criticize caleb williams about anything he can't sing which is fine or read what he like couldn't he couldn't even he wasn't even trying to sing this is why i had my defense up this guy is going to see.
Everybody in the national media I'm proven correct. Everyone thinks he can't read.
Can't read a defense or a karaoke machine. And I rest my case.
This was the guy who just two seconds ago said he was an ally. I am.
This is why I have my guard up. Drake May, you think he's good at karaoke? Definitely.
I would rather my quarterback stink at karaoke. To each their okay what else about hard knocks okay uh nick saban yeah they brought nick say apparently matt eberflus he has a coach yes because nick saban is now coaching matt eberflus i didn't understand maybe this was just for cameras and it is a show and i had so you know the cale williams the the bad highlights that i was like, show something good.
I understand they're telling a story. Did Nick Saban and Matt Eberflus never have that conversation before? That made no sense.
I was wondering that if you're Matt Eberflus, it actually, it's good that they're having this now when they have Caleb. But I feel like they would have had that conversation when he got the job.
They 100% have had that conversation. They won, right? He's probably had that conversation.
Like, he probably talks to Nick Saban every year.

It's kind of like the clip at the end with Jonathan Owens

clearly watching a tape-recorded Simone Piles being like,

yeah, go.

It's like, no, she's going for a gold and you're half-clapping.

We know this isn't live.

Yeah, so Saban gets in.

He talks about what can kill a quarterback.

He's giving him advice. And then during that conversation, Max chimes in.
Max says Nick Saban, not a great track record when developing quarterbacks. He's not a QB whisperer.
Yeah, that's what they were just like showing Nick Saban as like this wise, like tell all coach, which he is. But if you were to say one thing about Nick Saban,

it's that he's not like a quarterback whisperer. Right.

And then Big Cat said...

And then we started trying to think about quarterbacks that he's had.

No, but you took that as, like, a defense against the Bears for some reason.

No.

And then Big Cat said...

Oh, yeah, it was.

Yeah.

My guard is up.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, because you're like,

why is this guy telling him about the quarterbacks?

And Big Cat said, what about Jalen Hurts? I'm not going to apologize for having my guard up. I want that very clear.
Memes back me up. You have your guard.
This is why you've had a Florio of the year. You've got to always have your guard up.
Yeah, always have your guard up. There's haters like Florio, Hank, and Max.
When you're a battered franchise, you've got to be looking around every corner being like, there's a shooter. Not Max.
Max is best. He said the Jets are going to win the Super Bowl, so I love Max.
He just kept saying that after he told us to do a long shot pick, and I said the Jets. Yeah, but he's got his guard up, so he's like, you're troll.
Yeah, guard up, guard up. That's cool.
Anti-Florio of the year.

No, it's natural to have your guard up, but I said during, when we were watching it, that this was like Big Cat's version of the Dynasty, the Patriots documentary, where Hank got his

guard up about the Patriots, and you're like, give me more football porn.

I came around after they started showing Caleb's good stuff.

I understand.

They've got to tell a story.

They're like, oh, he's a rookie.

He sucks.

I just, I want to see him throw touchdowns. That'ss that's all yeah so it's not too much to ask for so max the jalen hurts comment when you said saving not really quarterback whisperer and they brought up hurts i got flustered like i normally do actually corby brought up hurts yeah he was like a he was like a fifth member of pm Yep, that was a good job by him.
He was just like, what about Hurts, Max? I got flustered and came up with a bad answer. Then PFT was like, all you have to do is say that he got better when he went to Oklahoma.
Yeah, he did. When he left.
That's true. Yeah.
He did. Yeah, listen, Max, I agree that Nick Saban, I think that was just all like, they're like, we want Nick Saban in this and we're going to have him do a conversation with Iberflus, a conversation they probably had a million times.

The main story of this hard knocks is going to be Caleb Williams.

So he's going to talk about Caleb Williams.

That's it.

Like there was no, that whole conversation was like basically for show in my mind.

Because again, you could never tell me that Nick Saban and matt eberflus have not talked about football every single year agreed it wasn't the first time they were doing it and he was like taking fake notes they had a very long montage of matt eberflus getting hot yeah well funk our guy funk he got funked up yeah i don't know how i still feel about that uh i would feel i would feel better about he looks better because in some of the clips that they showed feel good feel good play good the last couple seasons when when he was uh he was bald-faced and he was like making these goofy goofy facial gestures yeah or facial expressions um it it made me like rappel in my chair a little bit yeah and then they showed him like, that guy's hot. Yeah.
Oh, I forgot. Nick Saban, the one funny part about Nick Saban was it's, like, the best college coach of all time, this football genius, and he also uses the dumbest argument in all of sports.
Peyton Manning threw a ton of interceptions his rookie year. Which is, like, there was only one guy who did that.
Yep. Who threw as many interceptions as Peyton Manning and then went on to be Peyton Manning.
The more interceptions you throw as a rookie, statistically, the better you are. It's every single person has been using that since Peyton Manning, being like, if your rookie sucks, you're like, well, Peyton Manning sucked.
And to see Nick Saban use that same dumb logic was awesome. The star of the show was the Canadian offensive lineman that sang karaoke.
Yes. I think he might actually be deaf.
Yeah. But it wasn't about the singing.
It was about the speedo. Rocking an American flag speedo.
Yep. And his buddy in the background playing the cymbals.
Yeah. And that was awesome.
But it was like doing a speed run of hard knocks. Where usually you get the very sympathetic, the guy that you root for right off the bat, episode one.
You follow him, you root for him, you root for him. Then he gets cut in like the last episode.
This time it was like, okay, I'm rooting for this guy because he's fucking hilarious and had the most hilarious Canadian accent. And then later on in the episode, he got hurt and he's going to get cut.
Yeah, for sure going to get cut. But that guy rocks.
Yeah, he was awesome. He's the most American guy that I've ever met.
Yeah, he was cool. But he's Canadian.
It was cool when Caleb Williams said his signing bonus just because everyone was like, oh, fuck. And he was pointing at Ryan Poles.
The DJ Moore thing was cool. He's an awesome guy getting all that money.
It was also funny watching Kevin Warren sit there and read over the numbers at the end being like yeah good deal okay thanks it's fair on all sides appreciate that um I liked it I I liked it I just want to see Caleb Williams should probably throw more touchdowns and I'll see more touchdowns yeah I understand that part of it I they did show a lot of his sick throws very early on yeah When they had the spirals, he had a very fuckable spiral. But, yeah, there was the, okay, he's struggling a little bit.
Do you think he has aura? I do. I don't think that you can argue otherwise.
Yeah. I don't think that's even a question.
Yeah. The slip and slide was cool.
Also, Tyson Bajan is very funny. Yeah.
Bajan's hilarious. The slip and slide thing was funny because there are two things that a coaching staff can do to train their quarterbacks how to slide.

And every team does one of these two things.

One is a slip and slide.

Yep.

The other is call up the professional baseball team in your city and ask them, do you have any pointers on how to slide?

Yes.

But football coach, you should be able to teach a guy how to slide without consulting a professional about it. Oh, breaking moves.
We just had an earthquake. Did we feel it? We just had an earthquake.
I've always wanted to feel an earthquake. 5.6.
Oh, is that what the breaking news was? 5.6? How do we not feel it? Is that the big one? Pug texted our group chat and was like, the hotel was shaking. The RV didn't move.
This thing is a fucking tank. You felt it? I thought it was just like someone shifting in the bus.
That's a fat joke. Me, Huey, and Max just locking eyes, being like, okay.
Wait, is it still going? No. No.
We survived our earthquake. There could be a...
Let's go. After earthquake afterquake.
It also might have been me yelling about the bears.

Caused a little fluss there.

First earthquake on the pod.

Yeah, so we've done a tornado.

We've done an earthquake.

We've done...

We've survived...

I'm kind of pissed that I didn't feel it.

Yeah, me too.

What else have we survived?

Are we tougher than earthquakes?

We just didn't even feel it?

Either that or we have really bad balance naturally,

and so we just didn't feel being shifted around.

Bad awareness?

Yeah, bad awareness.

I was probably focused on how I fucked up the Jalen Hurts

Thank you. just didn't even feel it either that or we have really bad balance naturally and so we just didn't feel being shit bad awareness yeah i was probably focused on how i fucked up the jalen hurts thing yeah also max did say that he was hoping that uh caleb williams got hurt on the slip and slide

that's not true that was hank that said that oh did hank say that if he got hurt on the slip and

slide you're not hey listen just a little tip for everyone out there you're not paranoid if

everyone's out to get you okay i agreed though i agree that it would have been funny. That's a fact.
Have you guys seen San Andreas? What are you guys talking about? San Andreas. You and memes? Starts with an earthquake, then a tidal wave, then just...
Are we about to get hit by a tidal wave? Do you think the Earth knows that it's grit week? I think it would probably need more than 5.6, but yeah, maybe.

You think there's a tsunami?

Should we go catch a wave?

We did go surfing.

Yeah, we did go surfing.

That video comes out Thursday.

I'm bummed that I didn't feel that earthquake.

Same.

I know.

If I didn't feel it and we were just hanging out, then we could at least lie about it.

But the fact that we were recording, we didn't talk about it, so everyone knows we didn't feel it.

Do you think the camera's shook? That'd be cool.'d be cool earthquake cam shake one of those cameras real quick oh yeah there's the earthquake oh my god oh shit what an earthquake that feels like i'm gonna say a 5.6 whoa uh all right last thoughts about hard knocks i i'm i wish the bears weren't on hard knocks that's what i'll say it's too early for me to get my blood pressure this high i don't like that i don't like having i think i even said during the episode i was like how many episodes of this are there because i don't oh yeah i don't i'm done watching this show i'm gonna have to just but i'm just i i'm like usually august is when I like reserve my energy getting ready for the battles I'm going to go into. And now I feel like I have to fight the battles early and it's just, I don't know.
Why can't you? Buddha Ben just tweeted, whoa, big earthquake, hashtag Los Angeles. Wow.
What are you going to say, Max? I would be so excited if my team was on hard knocks. You would have won something.
But it's like. You've won.
You get more football. Yeah, I understand.
Because it's your team. I agree with Max.
But your team's not a joke. But your team is so excited right now.
If they are a joke, I would absolutely love that. But you think that it's not.
You think that everyone's out to get you. Because they are.
I don't think they are. Yeah, you guys were wishing Caleb Williams got hurt on the slip and slide.
Someone brought it up. They were getting off of that slip and slide with no footing at the end of that.
I agree that they were very... It made me nervous.
If it was another team... But when you vocalized it, I was like, he's out to get it.
Okay, so if this was like the Steelers, and we were watching the Steelers hard knocks, and Russell Wilson was on a slip and slide because he couldn't slide anymore. I wouldn't give a fuck.
And you said like. I wouldn't give a fuck.
And someone said it'd be very funny, like just hilarious though. Not like wishing bad will, but objectively speaking, it would be funny if he got hurt on the slip and slide they brought in.
No shit. Wait, yeah.
No shit, PFT. If it was the commanders on Hard Knocks and someone said that, you would have the same reaction.
You'd be like, shut up. No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying if somebody said that, you would agree, yes, objectively, it would be funny. No shit.
Yeah. Right.
If it happened. I agree.
I don't if it happened to Jayden if I'd be this upset. Yes, you would.
Okay. You'd react the same way.
That's why I'd be upset. I'd be upset.
Yes, Max would be upset. Max would be upset.
We all react the same way. It's just that this is why I wish I wasn't on hard knocks.
You can't, PFT, don't pretend that you wouldn't be upset if it if it was jaden daniels is like he like comes up a little gimpy or something you're like oh would be a shit you'd be like shut up don't say that i would say shut up don't say that if he if he got up gimpy yeah it would be the same thing and if it was a team that wasn't my team i would have no problem that's how all of us react guards up but that's how everyone reacts to fandom yeah but their team they defend. team, I would have no problem.
That's how all of us react. Guards up.
But that's how everyone reacts to fandom.

Yeah, but their team, they defend.

I would love-

Everything else is funny.

That's how fans work.

I would love to see just-

I'm with Max, where it's like if we get five weeks of extra commander's content, I would be-

But again, I'm not in the trenches.

No, yeah, you're not a man in the arena.

You're not right there right now.

I'm going to watch every second.

I just- I wish I didn't have to have my guard up this early.

That's all.

And we're a joke.

Thank you. And in the arena.
You're not there right now. I'm going to watch every second.
I wish I didn't have to have my guard up this early.

That's all.

And we're a joke.

I don't want to be a joke anymore.

Huey, you understand.

You just stopped being a joke.

Yeah, I mean.

The Lions literally just stopped being a joke.

But to that point, it was two seasons after hard knocks.

True.

We had a best season ever.

True.

So I have to wait another year?

Yeah.

Okay. Next year will be the year.
uh what are you doing hank hubby oh no so close so close all right what else what else we got usa basketball wins yeah lebron had quite Did you guys see that? Yeah. Yeah, that was funny.
The French swimmer came into the arena, and the arena went crazy, and LeBron thought everyone was cheering for him. He even put on the crown.
It's very funny seeing a guy who's been, like, main character his entire life, not be main character, but still thinks that he's main character. Right.

Hank, did Tatum play?

Yep.

How did Tatum do?

Compared to Joel Embiid, because that's been the big back and forth of who's better.

No, I mean, it's a team game.

USA won.

Embiid played well.

Tatum played well.

Embiid had a monster game.

Monster game.

Only played half.

Why?

Because they were up so big.

He was tired.

We killed them. The rest of the starters.

We now need to win every game by 30. Yeah, I mean, today was domination.
And who will we play next? We play Djokic, Serbia. Oh, so isn't B going to go home for that game? No, he's going to fucking dominate.
It's not in altitude. Okay, good.
Wait, how high up is France? I don't know, bro. I don't know why I said it.
Max's guards up. Yes.
I'm shocked. The USA basketball is just reach city for takes.
Yeah, 100%. Unless your guys play well, then it rocks.
Everything we've said a complete – everything we've said has been a reach on USA basketball.

Yeah.

100%.

I'm shocked, PFT, you – like, you would have the same reaction.

He just had his guards up because we flipped it on him.

Don't compare me.

But you would have the same reaction, PFT.

To which thing?

Guards being up if your team was under the microscope.

Did I just feel an earthquake?

Now I'm feeling the phantom quakes.

Because I want to feel one.

There you go, Max.

Shake it.

Shake it.

My guard would probably be a little bit up.

Yeah.

But I would also be excited.

We all have our guards up when our team's under the microscope.

I'd be excited.

I'd be excited about having the team up.

I am excited.

But guards up. Always got to get your guards up.
Hank's got his guards up anytime we bring up Tatum. He's ready to go.
No, when you win a championship, it's like, who cares? No, that hurts. He's right.
No, he's right about that. You're absolutely right.
You're absolutely right about that. Okay, anything else in the Olympics happen? Snoop Dogg's getting paid half a million dollars just to hang out.
That's pretty sweet, yeah. A day.
I was going to say, I think he's getting paid like $10 million. It's crazy.
Crazy. It's good money.
Mondo DiPlantis. Pole vaulting record.
That was a big story. We met him at LSU six years ago.
We met that guy? Yeah, I met him at a tailgate. We were at a tailgate together.
I was like was like separate i met him hung out with him like we went to a different tailgate i was with him for a few hours just an i just thought he was a normal student like we just had a good time he was a normal student had a good time was with his friends and then he followed me on instagram after i remembered his name i clicked his name and he had like 100 000 followers like oh track and field star and field star. Yeah.
And then he went on to break the world record.

And then he won the gold medal in Tokyo.

Then he broke his own world record and won the gold medal yesterday.

And the celebration with his girlfriend went viral.

He was like the talk of the Olympics yesterday, which is very cool.

Does that mean he's got a small dick though?

It might.

That's fine.

Gold medalist, world record.

Yeah, model girlfriend.

Who cares?

Yeah, no one cares he's fine it was so hank after you was it after you met him that we did the mount rushmore of olympic sports that you think you could dominate at if you trained that was and hank selected pole vaulting was he bigger than you he's oh you think maybe a No, I mean, he's an athletic freak, but... He might be like 5'10 or 6'1.
Well, he can't be that big of an athletic freak. He needs a pole.
Yeah, but he had to run fast as fuck. Did he respond to you when you selected pole vaulting? Yeah, he's like, you're the dumbest person of all time.
I almost filmed a video with him. The timing didn't work out, but...
But if he didn't... If he was an athletic freak, wouldn't he just win the high jump? I had it all time.
If I had been able to execute my vision, it was going to be me doing the running and then cutting to him in the same outfit so it looked like it was me. Okay, that's good vision.
It would have been great. Yeah.
But yeah, shout out to Mando. Mando.
Oh, we buried the lead at the start of the show congratulations to the chicago white socks oh yeah they won they won a game they beat the oakland athletics today so 21 games in a row snapped yeah also did you guys see today that shefter was doing a weird thing he was uh it was very smart of him he was just tweeting out depth charts for the first preseason game just to get, like, the interactions were crazy. He was like, J.J.
McCarthy's the second quarterback. Yeah.
Bo Nix, I think, was the third quarterback. Mm-hmm.
I see you, Shefty. That plays.
Although I think Russell Wilson was QB1. Oh.
So does that mean he's actually QB2? I think so. They said Fields was starting.
We're doing Terrence Howard math right now. I don't know.
But it was – Was that an out-of-story? I saw he had a flurry of them, and I was like – because I have alerts on for Shefty. And each one that came in, I was like, these are going to do numbers because it's basically like this first-round pick is the second quarter, which doesn't mean anything.
But it just gives fodder for everyone. Yeah.
Listen, we all, we need content this time of year. Correct.
We need stuff to argue about. Correct.
Just give us a list. That's all.
People say that all guys need to do is sit around naming names and that's fine. We do that sometimes, but if you give us those random names in any sort of an order, that's when our blood really gets up.
Yes. That's when we have fun.
That's a fact. anything else before we do Hot Seat, Cool Throne, and then get to the rest of the show? It's been a great day.
Yeah. I can't believe we played basketball this morning.
I can't. Everything.
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Hank, hot seat, cool throw. My hot seat, unfortunately, guards up the Patriots.
Oh, I had them too on my hot seat. Brand Nayuk rumors were hustling and bustling.
It seemed like we were going to pick up a stud wide receiver number one wide receiver for a new quarterback and then the report it the report came out on monday that said it was basically two deals were in place one with the browns one with the patriots and it was just going to be up to the 49ers or i guess i you could decide this whole thing makes no sense and then a report today, which isn't official, that it's going to happen with the Steelers. McCaffrey, Christian McCaffrey, who's in an interview, called Ayuk his former teammate, which basically means everyone knows he's gone.
I just don't know where he's going, but apparently it's not the Patriots. And Kyle Shanahan said something along the lines of, it's hard to get better as a team when you lose a great player.
Right.

So I just don't know how the details aren't confirmed or out, but I was hoping it was going to be the Patriots, and it's not.

Yeah.

I think it means he doesn't want to come here.

That's what it means. So what happened was the Patriots, when the word got out there that things fell apart, they issued a statement being like, we're full steam ahead and we love the guys we have, so we're no longer going to pursue that.
Then word came out that Brandon Aiyuk did not want to go to the Patriots. So it sucks for you, Hank.
I'm sorry. I don't understand.
You're not fired. We quit.
Brandon Aiyuk, has he been doing the whole training camp, even though he's like, I don't want to be here and I want to be traded, but also I haven't agreed to a trade, but you guys have agreed to a trade? I don't think he's done that. But it's very similar to what Debo did a couple years ago.
Yeah. But then Debo got the deal done.
So you probably thought maybe this is going to happen. Get the deal done, yeah.
Yeah. So now he's either going to be a Steeler or Brown? Huh.
Steeler would rock. It'd be very un-Steelers-like, wouldn't it? Yes.
Like, make a deal like this in the middle of training camp for a wide receiver? Yeah, I mean, they also, yeah, they just draft great wide receivers. Yeah.
They never need to trade for them. Okay, good hot seat.
My cool throw in it is the market. We're good.
False alarm the other day. Oh.
No worries. Because you told us the world was ending.
Well, did you? Oh, you said World War III. No, you said World War III.
I said Black Monday. But it was more of like a light gray.
It was chill. Well, what happened was, Hank, as an economist yourself, I have no idea how you didn't pick up on this.
It was bad on Monday, but then Black Monday ended, and now it's fine because it's no longer Black Monday. Yeah, I got to do some more research into Japan, but i think like it's all japan's got to plays a big plays a big role they fucked this up i think but now they're like you know i don't know i don't i don't know what to print more money um no i think that's the issue i think but not if you print more money no that's bad no but if you okay so if you're out what happened to uh right but keep printing money what hat who had a threat on a country about this the other day no oh which country was it it's either chile or argentina they just kept on printing money yeah they were but then they were a booming economy in the 30s but that's the problem i think it was argentina i think you're probably thinking of germany but anyway oh in germany they had to carry in wheelbarrows.
But see, my theory is that they just didn't, they stopped. You got to go through the wall.
So like when you're like, oh, we printed so much money that it doesn't, like it's not worth anything. That's when you print even more money.
Right. You can't quit printing money.
You got to be committed to printing the money. And then when people are like, you've printed too much money, then you have to print more money than you originally.
Correct. You like, if you print twice as much money as you did the time before, then you're good.
Right. You just have to be committed that it's almost like you're just not committed all the way to the process.
The process is printing money. And the minute you stop printing the money, ends right yeah i listen any of our econ takes that are incorrect blame hank lockwood because he hasn't taught us anything it's true yeah we need that lesson uh also rough and rowdy yeah that was my cool turn okay never mind i'll talk about rough and rowdy All right, PFT, your hot seat.
Hank stole my hot seat with the New England Patriots, but that's fine. So I'll just think of something else that I – oh, hot seat, Arizona Cardinals.
No, hot seat is people in Arizona's teeth because the Cardinals just released a new dessert that they're selling at the stadium, which I'm convinced that teams do this just to get impressions on social media. I don't think that many people actually order them, but they're looking for the next epic meal that is sold at a stadium.
Right. And so they released a candy, was it cotton candy stuffed burrito where it was filled with all these different sugary cereals.
And nobody's actually going to eat that, right? No one's going to order it. It's just something that you want to order, take a picture.
Actually, that's a good idea for a restaurant, boys. We should do the most Instagrammable food, but it's disgusting, but it looks awesome.
People come in and they buy it, take a picture of it, and then throw it away. Yeah.
Or give it back to us. They rent the food to take the picture, give it back to us, then we rent it to the next person.
Remember early part of my take? We had the idea we were going to create a fake team and then create fake menus to then try to dupe Darren Revell, and it was going to be like a shit in a Frito. Yeah.
And then I created the account, and we said it was going to be like the Montana Black Bears or something.

Yeah.

But I did Montana's state code is MN, MT.

And you did MN for Minnesota?

No, I did MO.

For Missouri?

For Missouri, and then I just quit.

That's a good idea.

Yeah, that was the whole story.

Huey, maybe that's something for you.

You ever shit in a Frito?

No. Okay.
No, I haven't. No, I haven't.
Would you? A Dorito? No. Have you shit in any type of chip? Not to my knowledge.
Okay. What's the weirdest place you pooped? That would have been awesome if you just dropped my my ex-girlfriend's face Or if it was like a bag of candy Never chip In my hand Okay your cool throne My cool throne is internet debates Because there was a take I think Draymond Green put this out there He said that the 1992 Dream Team The original Dream Team He said that they would spank the current one Oh I don't know I didn't see this He said that the 1992 Dream Team, the original Dream Team, he said that they would spank the current one.
Oh, I don't know. I didn't see this.
Yeah, I think. He said that? Yeah, yeah.
It was. How can you say that if you're a current NBA player? Well, he's a throwback.
Yeah, because he sees himself as being like Dennis Rodman. Right.
He's a throwback guy. Born in the wrong era.
I think that's true. I think that the original Dream Team.
You don't think so, Hank? No. Modern game, more shooting.
If you literally just took them in a time machine and dropped them in 2024, the 2024 team would smoke them. I don't know smoke.
I disagree about smoke. Smoke is not the right word.
If it was the same players and they were playing the same type of style of basketball. Smoke's not the right word.
They went on a 46-1 run at one point. Smoke's not the right word.
If it was the same players and they were playing the same type of style of basketball. Smoke's not the right word.
Smoke's not the right word.

They went on a 46-1 run at one point.

Smoke's not the right word.

Yeah, the other countries didn't start playing basketball until after that.

Ever heard of Arvidas Sabonis?

Also, I fucked it up.

He said, quite frankly, I'm taking the 2024 Dream Team.

Oh, okay.

Seven days a week.

That's what I'm saying.

You can't be a current NBA player.

I got a better dumb debate for you.

I got a better dumb internet debate for you. Ready for this? Maggie Gray, who hosts a show with our friend McLovin Perloff.
This is valid. She had the take.
Can you really brag about being the fastest person on earth if you win a race by .005 seconds? So when you win a race by .005 seconds, does that mean that the person that you beat by .005 seconds is slower than you? Yes. Okay, then no, she's wrong.
It's crazy. I don't understand the argument.
Yes, you can brag. You won the Olympic gold for fastest person.
But by how much? But you won. How did we? By how much? But you won.
It doesn't matter how much. I think a better debate off that would be, can you really brag about being the fastest man alive if you win the 100-meter dash? Because who decided that was the fastest man alive? Yeah, true.
Why not 40-meter dash? Why not 40? Why not the combine? Why not 5-meter dash? Yeah. Get off.
But yeah, I think Noah Lyles can, if you win the gold medal. Yes, you won the gold medal.
Did he set a world record, too? No. No, that's Usain Bolt.
Oh, that's right. He can brag about being the fastest person to ever live, which is pretty cool.
All right, my hot seat is Kyle Kuzma. I follow this account called NBA Alerts, which is very funny.

There was a doozies.

The Celtics are.

Uh-oh.

So this was Kyle Kuzma this morning.

5.14 a.m. Pacific time.

NBA Alerts tweeted,

Kyle Kuzma is now following Ms. Thick Overload.

Oh.

And then at 7.22 a.m., Kyle Kuzma is no longer following ms thick overload how long was that it was about two hours he lasted pretty long uh that it's i clicked on ms thick overload she has it's just straight porn oh just straight up yeah yep is. All right, first tweet.
My pussy said hi. Yeah.
Yeah, it did. Hi back.
That's a brutal one, though, to have that. And that's also way too early in the morning to be that horny.
We're on the West Coast. But even still, if it's 8, yeah, you're right.
I mean, that's 8 a.m. to be following his thick overload i might give her toss her follow here yeah i'll tweet pft commenters now following his thick overload i'm following her just just so that i know what my favorite players are doing yes in their free time yes uh and then my cool throne is rough and rowdy this friday rough and rowdy we're going to wheeling, West Virginia.
We have a retirement match between our guy Mikey Betts and the Abel brothers. He's fighting on behalf of Frank the Tank.
It's going to be awesome. I'll be there.
I think Nick Turani's going to be filling in for Caleb. He's from Wheeling.
Roan, Dave, Robbie, Large, all the crew. So get excited.
We're going to be doing Rough and Rowdy Friday night. It's an awesome card.
Doing the anthem. BuyRNR.com.
Go BuyRNR.com right now. Huey.
My hot seat is the Utah Jazz. Oh.
They just gave Lori Markinan a five-year, $200-plus million contract. But the kicker, he can only be traded on the exact trade deadline date what so he can't be traded for

six months oh that's part of the cup yeah that's that wasn't specific to his concept no yeah but

the only day he can be traded is on the trade deadline it just happens to fall on that day

so if they don't trade him then then they're they're potluck committed to him for a whole

other year and for at least until another season so a calendar year lori marketing is going to be a

Thank you. him then then their their potluck committed to him for a whole other year and for at least until another season so a calendar year lori marketing is going to be a you know a near 50 million dollar guy for the utah jack he's a very good player he's a very good shout out lori not he's not worth that much money how much would you pay him i'd pay him 35 okay so you think danny age Doing too much Okay But Yeah

He's already

You overpaid him by $20 million. He's not on your team anymore.
Huey Analytics. Yeah.
I mean, that's just two recurring guests. Yeah, Laurie was on the show.
He's a rich man who's going to be an All-NBA player one day. Yeah.
So why would you pay him? All right. I shouldn't have said-star i was about to talk a little bit about that but also he'll be a back-to-back all-star again um i feel good about that i think it'll be i think it'll be fine teams wanted to trade for him now they can't so that kind of closes their the utah jazz a little bit the trade deadline thing is interesting that's kind of a weird one day yeah but if you're the utah, you think like this year you might be like, man, if we had those extra $15 million, we could win a championship.
No, but what you're going to now do is have to – you're essentially saying that this is – we want to trade him, but we also can only trade him for one day in the next 365. Yeah.
So if we don't trade him today or that one day, then he's ours. But we are paying him in a way to where we could trade him That would kind of rock Yeah that would kind of rock If it was like that with every player Like you have 24 hours to trade And then you can't do shit You just have to live It's called consequences of your own actions You have to live with them And it could be god forbid some tampering A few days before I don't think that would happen the nba is not known for that so i wouldn't think that okay my cool throne pitbull yes big news here dale buying the fiu stadium for 1.2 million a year wow or to put his name on it so it's the pitbull stadium um you guys are so distracting hank and memes sorry what are you guys doing? I'm trying to podcast your voice.
No, memes are distracting. What are you guys doing? Trying to podcast your voice Yeah, no memes are distracting What are you guys doing? He's looking up I don't know You have to share with the class Talking about school lunches What is going on? Memes is, I don't know Huey was talking about people What's going on memes? Hank almost just pressed Retweet from the part of my take account That said Sorry, but I will never understand People being against free meals for kids in school i do not give a shit if families who can't afford lunch get free lunch feed the fucking kids i just got distracted you were doing it i was trying to retweet on something and that was a tweet got it now we should have mentioned that what's his name tim what's his name tim walls tim.
Football guy. Football guy.
Not political. Football guy.
Ran a 4-4 defense. I don't know if that plays at all levels, but it played in Minnesota high school.
He took them from like an 0-7 team to three state titles? Three state. At least one.
I don't know how many he won. We haven't had a football coach or like a football guy.
Who would be the last one? Gerald Ford. Gerald Ford would be the last one, yeah.
Is he the only president that was never elected? That's a good question. I don't know.
I think he was. Washington? Was George? I think he won the first election.
Yeah. That's what democracy was built on.
Linden, no, Andrew Johnson. I thought he got it.
Andrew Johnson is the one? Right, because he took over for Lincoln.

Might have killed Lincoln.

And then he got impeached.

And then I think he said, fuck you guys, I'm out.

Gerald Ford did not get elected.

Yeah.

Yeah, he took over for Richard Nixon, and that was it.

Yeah, but Joe Ford.

What is going on over here?

Hank is on his demon time.

He's just like, what is going on? I know. I got ADD I'm ADD now.
What did you say? Iguodala. Oh.
Wait, so. Wait, what Iguodala? I don't know.
President. You're just saying Iguodala? He's the president of the Players Association.
Oh. Or he was.
Andrew Johnson did not? I don't think so. He was.
Oh, yeah. No, Andrew Johnson didn't as well because he took over for.
Wait. Oh, no.
Andrew Johnson. When was the election? He was president for four years.
Oh, it's a little history. So he might have been elected then.
He might have been elected. Sounds like he was.
Presidency, Lincoln and Johnson. Okay.
No, he might not have been. You might be right.
So Gerald Ford and... How did we get here? Oh, Gerald Ford's the last football guy.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Iguodala? Football guy. He's not even...
I know. He says something and then just walks away.
I know. And then just goes back on his phone He's the acting executive director In the National Football League? Basketball So not a football guy? No And not a president Yes Acting executive director Alright Pitbull Acting executive director would be a good name for John Wilkes Booth too Pitbull's got a stadium Yeah Pitbull put his name on a stadium in Florida So it's called the Pitbull Stadium Yeah Mike Vick's gonna go there all the time with that name So I think this opens up the door now I think this opens up the door I I hate you so much, Hank.

Your brain is gone right now. That'd be a great name.

It's not a dome.

Okay.

But I think this opens up a world for celebrities now to start saying, you know, what school can we get our name on?

What stadium?

Because 1.2 per year is not nothing.

But it is FIU.

We almost did Mercedes-Benz. Yeah, Barso Sports.
We also did, almost did Buffalo. Yeah.
Yeah. That would rock if just celebrities did it and they just named it after themselves for a year.
Yeah. I got, when that was going on, I was in big into naming rights.
I wanted to do like naming rights for like people's man cave, which would be sick. if you show me a sick man cave and i just pay you like a thousand bucks to make it my man cave would be cool right but you're right like 1.2 million dollars for like a mid-level school yeah is not a bad deal at all no and it's one year but still yeah yeah but you get one year of having your name on the side of a giant stadium yeah that'd be cool really a good deal yeah i mean what about the mystic overload dome followed by pft you're followed by pft how much would that cost what's a good like uh 2.4 2.4 price goes up when it's x-ray down we already need you gotta it's gonna be a little inappropriate Why didn't we tell you the school? Oh, well, school.
Yeah. All right.
Yeah.

BYU.

BYU.

Three. Three.
Okay. Done.
Done. Yeah.
Miz Thick Overload Stadium. No, dome.
It's got to be a dome. It's got to be a dome.
It's got to be a dome. It's got to be a dome.
Also, on Twitter, she is Thick Overload ENT. Is she a doctor? Entertainment.
Oh, okay. Oh, Huey.
I've been around the porn game once or twice. You are a porn guy.
Hey, you don't knock it until you try. Wait.
No, I didn't do it. You've been in porn? No, I was just been watching.
You love porn. Okay.
You love porn. No, no, no, no.
You addicted to sex? No. You have a sex problem? No.
No. Not at all.
Not one problem. Hank, any last words before we get to our Mount Rushmore? Youbidi-doubidi.
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Okay, Mount Rushmore time. We are sitting in the USC locker room.
We're going gonna have muss on at the end of the show for some faqs about grit which was great just did a workout max looks like he threw up on himself that's called sweat looks like a samurai you guys were able to shower i was setting up for the pod so that that that could be a tough thing if you were to ask yeah it is a tough thing so we're gonna do the mount rushmore of tough things which feels very open-ended this is one of those ones i really wish i wasn't going first but i am going first yeah and we have updated standings who won the last one hank hank did hey hank's fully back right now hank so yeah it's 47 it 47. It's over after this one.
47 max, 40 me. Oh, Max already won.
Hank's 32, and PFT's got 31, so we got a new loser right now. Yeah, it's okay.
It's a long season. It's a long season.
Mount Rushmore of tough things. Anything we want to say before? I'm woefully unprepared.
I am as well. I think I'm prepared.
I think I'm prepared. I would also like to say when we talked about it, when we talked about things you thought you were going to do when you were younger and going pro in basketball, I always thought I was going to play basketball at USC and then go pro.
That was your goal? So this is a dream day. This is a dream come true.
That's awesome. Holy shit.
Well, you were right. You played basketball at USC.
Yeah. Now I've got to go pro.
Today, yeah. I don't think that Muss is going to give us a scholarship.
I don't think we were very good. Hustle, though.
Yeah, we tried. A lot of hustle.
Okay, Mount Rushmore of tough things. I have the first pick.
Yep. So it's Big Cat, Hank, Max, me, then back.
Yes. Alright, I'll go 1-1.
I'm going to go a safe one because I don't know where this draft is going to go. Tough things.
Navy SEALs. That was my 1-1.
Was it? Well, troops. Navy SEALs.
Navy SEALs. That has to be like, yeah.
Tip of the spear. Tip of the spear? Spear.
Yeah, tip of the sphere. Sphere.
Tip of the sphere. Yeah.
I actually don't think... That's when you eat so many mushrooms at the sphere that you get...
I don't think that spheres have tips. They're tipless.
They have heads. They actually kind of look like the big tit.
The tit of the sphere. The tit of the sphere.
Yeah, that's the same. They put a nipple on the top.
Yeah, yeah. James Dolan, that creep.
Okay. My one 1-1, Navy Seals.
What do you think, Hank? I think it's a good pick. Oh, okay.
I think it makes me question my own pick. Like I said, I'm not prepared.
I'm going to go childbirth. No, wait, it's not your pick.
Yeah, it is. Oh, it is? Yeah, childbirth.
Oh, okay. Interesting.
That's good. That's one of the hardest things anyone could ever do.
That's a good answer. Eh, heartburn.
Also, having a big shit. If you give birth and it's a C-section, then you're not pushing anything.
Yeah, there's a lot of drugs involved. Taking the easy way out.
I respect all others. I had it on my list.
I had it on my list. Being is also just like the whole process.
I had pregnant women, but I feel like that's – Yeah. They're tough.
They are tough. They have the strength.
They could pick up a car. I think that's a mother.
Yeah, same thing. Women can just pick up cars.
Everyone knows that. That's good.
Yeah. That's one of those TikToks that went viral.
Guy tries to pick up a car, can't women. Yes.
Okay. Okay.
I'm going to go first responders. Okay.
Tough. Tough.
Tough. Yeah, very tough.
Running towards danger? Which ones are the toughest? Yeah. I love them all.
Which one have you had to pick? If you had to... But Marlon's man is one of those guys.
If you made a call, which responder would you hope showed up first?

I hope... I love all responders.

I don't want to...

I don't want to...

Wait, all responders matter?

You called...

You just said, Paul, you call for the first responders and Marlon's man shows up.

Are you like, hey, that's...

No.

He's a first responder?

Every first responder minus Marlon's man.

Are you including reply guys?

Because reply guys, they're literally first responders. Nope.
First responders. First responders.
The guy at 3 a.m. who says, way to push the button, Max? Does he count? No.
I'll go fireman. I got a buddy.
Shout out Mully. Don't like cops.
FDNY. You hate cops.
ACAB Max. Only fans models that have notifications set on for Adam Schefter.

Then they reply immediately. I'm done with the reply guy.

I'm not answering anymore.

Questions on reply guys.

First responders.

Okay.

Correct.

PFT.

I can't believe this fell to me.

Hockey players.

Hockey players.

Hockey tough. Yeah.
Anyone complain? That's a good question. Very good answer.
That's a very good answer. Okay.
The Troops was a good one. I had the Troops.
The Troops was my one one, yeah. So for my second one, I'm going to say passing a kidney stone.
Now, not to belittle Hank's point about childbirth, but when I passed my kidney stone, I was in the hospital, and the nurse told me, she said, I've given birth to three kids. Passing a kidney stone is the worst pain I've ever felt in my entire life.
Wow. She said that.
Wow. Pretty good.
But shout out women. Shout out women.
Shout out women. Shout out women.
We love women. Yep.
They can have kidney stones too. Yeah.
Yeah. We love women.
My turn. Really? Look at that chick.
Look at that chick. Okay.
So my turn? Yeah, I don't know what Hank's doing right now. He's just Googling stuff.
I'm going to go with strength coaches. Ooh.
Okay. Good one.
That's good. Okay.
That's a good pick. Yeah.
Thank you. Ben Herbert was tough.
Yeah. Very tough hank oh i'll stick with the one i other one on ahead of my notepad uh i'd give anything to see hank's notepad it doesn't really fall follow this theme that we're going with here so it might hurt but uh holding in puke in an uber or in a bar i like that yeah no i actually max you don't like doing that i've seen you yeah yeah like that actually did it yesterday you guys don't even know i puked yesterday oh yeah yeah from what uh we weren't we weren't in an uber so you could be like i'm gonna puke and just open the window but if you're in a car or like you're in an uber with people and you have to puke but you can't just do it like yeah we went to do it there's nothing harder there's nothing tougher yeah in the ad i uh chugged water as fast as i could and you know when you chug water it goes down the wrong side and it just like sits in your chest yeah so it was just like a quick i gotta get this out of my like chest water puke yeah pretty much but i would have my head out the window you're like hey we gotta pull over real quick and i laughed he's like no i'm serious it's crazy are you gonna get that like 250 uber charge no we were in our car okay yeah but i timed it well i was just like i was sitting there like i think i can handle this and then i was like nope i'm i just gotta get it out of my system so yeah that is that is tough uh okay i got two picks um i will go uh city of Pittsburgh, city of Pittsburgh.
Tough. Good.
Built on steel. That whole city is just tough.
It's a steel city. Fries on the sandwiches.
Yeah. Yinzers, they're just tough.
And then I'll go with one that's a little kind of like Hank. It's a little off the board from my notepad.
Dealing with Hank when he wakes up in the morning. That's very tough.
Probably tougher than childbirth. Yeah.
If you actually have to do it, like childbirth versus like if you're like, hey, every day you have to just wake up Hank, I'd take childbirth. Shout out to my mom and my sister because growing up.
Toughest. Toughest women ever.
Getting me to school. Yeah.
I can't even imagine like just you the first hour of the day is just it's it's the toughest it tests our friendship every time so when we're on the road together especially it's just like I think Hank's getting better in the morning though I've had two great breakfasts with Hank well that's because he's yeah yeah that's on his time I've woken Hank up probably like a dozen times in my life and I'm convinced that the first I don't know 15 minutes of Hank's life when he wakes up he's just blacked out He's just still asleep Thursday morning is going to be great He tried to punch us He threw a punch I almost killed one of my friends in a sleepover Do you have morning amnesia? you not remember the first 30 minutes of your day it's not amnesia but it's like it's bad it's like Dr. Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde where like I'll say and do things and I'm like oh my god that was insane I was so mad fired up I've had girlfriends and stuff too you say stuff you would never say otherwise and then you're like why would i like i don't know what happened to me there i just it was the first 30 minutes shouldn't count yeah yeah okay uh your pick hank i will go uh bomb disposal engineer oh yeah nice nice nice love that huh it pretty good. Everyone knows one of those guys.
It's pretty specific. It's pretty good.
Are they tough, though? Because if you have a bad day as a bomb disposal engineer, you're just dead. Yeah.
Also, wouldn't the tougher guy be the suicide bomber? No, that's a coward. Why? They're literally blowing themselves up.
That's tough. Yeah, but they're not sticking around.

Okay, okay.

They don't have to deal with their shit.

Yeah, that's true.

Bomb disposal.

Wait, is that a first responder?

No.

Firefighters are like, hey, I think we got a bomb.

They call Marlon's man.

So they're actually tougher.

Yeah, you can say that.

They're tougher than first responders. First responders are too scared to respond to that so you hate first responders no i'm just you don't respect well you ain't cops yeah that's not true the cops are in cops are in my in my firefighters i i have a friend shout out mully what about what about a tow truck driver if a tow truck driver gets there before the cops do is he a first responder what stop asking me about the first responders okay well we have to dive into these questions all right nurses or cops i love all i love all first responders dr kevorkian who i don't know who that is.
He was the assisted suicide doctor. Oh.
And I was killing people. Okay.
Love him? I don't think that's a first responder. I'm just asking.
I'm asking a question. I don't think that's a first.
Simple question. You're just saying random people and being like, that's a first responder? Like, Pug.
Pug's a first responder. I love Pug.
Pug's a first responder a first responder i don't know you're just saying random people and they're calling the first responders no that's a doctor it's it's in line with what you were saying he's a he's a video podcast guy correct first he's the first one to click post on the youtube and the rumble that's not a responder though that you click the button I click the podcast button. That's one thing that people...
Oh, so they got to start saying good push on Pug. Correct.
Damn. So you're stolen valor.
I'm the one who just brought it up. Wait, but what happens, though? So you're also putting, if it's late, they're going to say bad job, Pug.
Yeah. Oh, I don't know about that.
I don't want our dear pug getting that.

Yeah, late can be me.

Early can be pug.

Okay.

I like that.

What about corrupt cops?

Can we stop with this?

Can I make my next pick?

What about firefighters that are actually also arsonists?

There's got to be one of them.

Rico Bosco?

Next pick?

Yeah.

Can't believe this lasted fullbacks.

Good pick.

Good pick.

I thought fullbacks was going to be in the first round.

All right.

I mean, offensive linemen have to play a lot more.

Yeah, they have to block a lot more.

All right, then pick it.

Situational.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm like more.

Yeah, I actually won't get into my own strategy.

Okay. Okay.
I mean, I'm like more of, yeah. I actually won't get into my own strategy.
Okay.

Okay.

Good pick, Max.

Were you going to pick that?

Yes.

Shit.

Okay.

I'm going to go with Ronnie Lott.

Ronnie Lott.

Good one.

Cut off his finger instead of having it repaired so that he could play football.

He was like, it'd just be easier if you cut it off. I don't need my pinky.
Put me back in. Yep.
That's a good pick. And then my last one is going to be going vegan and not telling anybody about it.
That's good. I think that's impossible.
Yeah. That's good.
Being a secret vegan without bragging. That's tough because – Yeah, it is tough.
Thank you. If you eat with people, it's also – yeah.
I just gave you a great compliment. I think it's actually – I don't think anyone's done it yet.
Yeah. It's like the three-minute mile.
Yeah. Okay.
Good pick. I'm going to stick with people.
I'm going to go coal miners miners i kind of got that with the city of pittsburgh too and i got how much coal is being mined these days there's less which makes it even tougher so you're pro fracking those people i don't i see i don't really know what fracking is i don't i personally don't know i personally i know it's bad i know i i don't know if i'm pro Or anti-fracking. I I don't.
I personally don't know. I personally.
I know it's bad. I know.

I don't know if I'm pro or anti-fracking.

I have no idea.

I think I'm anti.

I don't know.

What do you think about the environment, though?

I hope.

I want it to be good.

Okay.

What about, like, different types of, like, is it just coal?

Or believe in global warming?

Yes.

I think global warming is happening.

All right.

Live with the year nominee. 24.
That's on me. My pick? Yeah.
Just like in the movies, the coal miners look so tough. I don't know how this fell to the fourth round.
Max loves miners. Put that on a quote card.
Toughest people in the world, cancer patients. You son of a bitch.
You asshole. You fucking asshole.
What's tougher than cancer? No, cancer patients. No, I'm saying like- Are you pro-cancer? No, I'm saying cancer is the toughest thing you can have to deal with, so cancer patients are the toughest people in the world because we're dealing with them.
Okay, all right. Including people who get like a mole removed? If it's cancer.
What about an ingrown toenail? That's pretty tough. More stolen valor.
It's pretty tough. I'm just saying.
Wait, Hank, would you say that we're the toughest people in the world because we have to deal with you and your cancer? No, I'm not. I'm fake cancer.
Okay, you're benign. Okay.
You're AIDS. You think I am a cancer.
I do not have cancer. Right.
You're the Black Plague. I think you're a good guy.
Okay. My last pick.
I got last pick. I'm going to go because this probably will not help me because we don't have a ton of wrestling fans, but I'm going to go with Mankind Mick Foley.
Toughest dude ever. Fucking going when he got slammed on a bed of tacks from Undertaker from the top of the hell in the cell he is literally the toughest some of his early days where he's just like wrestling with barbed wire and shit um that might have hurt me but people have told me i look like this man but i don't know who he is you don't know who mankind is of all time whoa that's not hold on that's not a niche pick because people hear your attitude on this show.
They know. Everyone listening right now knows that dealing with Hank is tough.
It's you guys, some of my friends, my mom, my sister. Everyone.
Are the true heroes of that answer. Max, you don't know who Mankind is? Me either.
I don't really know wrestling. But people tell me that I look like him.
I know the name. I was going to go stone cold, but in my heart, I can't handle it my heart in my heart i'll make it tougher mankind is tougher that's what i had to do how is uh vaughn's son not tougher what vince or what not vince vaughn what's his name vince mcmahon steve what's shano mac yeah oh shane make a make a photoshop of vince vaughn took insane bumps and stuff But like Mankind would do it every single week Off the top of a cell Dude so I'll show you highlights Like when he was wrestling like in the independent circuit Or what was it ECW Yeah ECW like he would get Shane Vaughn He'd literally get thrown into barbed wire and shit Things broken over him His back was all cut up all the time So all cut up all the time.
So fucked up. Max does look a little bit like him.
Yeah, he does. That would be a great Halloween outfit for you.
People say you look like Mick Foley all the time, and I don't know. I'm always like, I don't know what that is.
We got to watch some kind highlights. I'll just send you the clip.
Undertaker literally threw him off the top of hell himself. I think it's a compliment to be said that he look like him, right? Into a bed of tax.

Yeah, you got so much tail.

All right.

Other picks?

I had camels.

Honey badger.

Ruda just texted me.

It was sitting in the room.

Mankind lost an ear in Japan.

That's a fucking ton of shit.

That rocks.

Okay.

Who'd you have?

All right.

Camels.

Honey badgers. Camels.
Camels go they go like three months without drinking water yeah but they can smoke cigarettes they can i guess that makes them tough yeah that's true yeah that's yeah um smoking cigarettes would be a good pick yeah calculus yeah real tough i i had that uh pit bulls pit bulls tough uh i had an ingrown toenail removed and then playing 30 minute basketball practice immediately after it's pretty tough that is tough i i i was gonna pick this guy but uh big cat took all of pittsburgh i've been roethlisberger yeah he's tough every injury pretty much everyone from i thought about i thought about just i actually got ben herbert before you took strength training because he's from Pittsburgh. And I got all the cops and the firefighters.
I picked that first before you. Accepting that you're going bald.
Oh, yeah. That's a good one.
Watching Cody Parkey kick field goals. Yep.
That's very tough. Substitute teachers I had on my list because that just must be the worst job of all time.
Yeah. That is tough.
When I took hockey players, I got the FDNY and the NYPD hockey players, right? Well, I still picked that first. No.
You guys have both said things that were just wrong. Standing up at a bar for a long time, very tough.
You just don't get a seat at a crowded bar. It's one of the toughest things a person can do Just waking up is tough Yeah Hank Waking up and realizing your phone wasn't charging overnight Yeah Chasing a charge And you have to go to Canobie Lake Park with your other producer What? That's Coleman Canobie Lake Park That's where, I think.
Invading Russia in the wintertime. Yeah.
Tough. Also dumb.
Dumb, tough. Dumb and tough.
If you're going to be dumb, you got to be tough. That's true.
That's true. Johnny Cash.
Yeah. Just him in general.
Tough guy. Teddy Roosevelt.
Tough. Oh, that's a miss.
Damn. That was a miss, Teddy Roosevelt.

Shot through his hand.

Yeah.

That's a big one.

No, he got shot in his chest.

Oh, that was his chest?

He got shot in his chest, and then he stood there and said, bring the guy up to me.

Damn.

It takes more than that to stop a bull moose.

Damn.

Jean-Claude Van Damme.

Steven Seagal.

Deer.

Meat.

Deer.

Meat.

Oh, the meat of deer.

Oh, venison? It's tough. I guess.
Human flesh? That's tough. Living with your conscience knowing that you hit a bear cub 10 years ago and someone's going to find out eventually? Yeah, tough.
That is tough. Really tough.
Sneaky. Oh, Bernie Madoff.
Weirdly tough having to live with just the fact that you're a complete fraud and it's going to be found out one day. Mentally, it's got to be tough.
It wasn't a pick, Max, so we're just spitballing. You're a Bernie Madoff apologist? You're an apologist.
That sounds like what you're doing. Hank, you fucking shouted out suicide bombers.
You were going to say it's tough to be Jeffrey Epstein next? I almost said Theo Epstein. I do that often, honestly.
No, because he had no... Yeah.
You just switch them? Sometimes I say, like, if I'm talking about Theo Epstein, I'll say Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, they're both known for evaluating young talent.
That's a big mistake. That's a big mistake, Max.

All right, anything else, Huey?

Did we miss anything?

Draft a lot of high schoolers.

I didn't think of anything too crazy.

Maybe a test.

Maybe just a bit.

Yeah, any test.

Yeah, any test.

Tough, dude.

Any test of any kind.

Tough.

That is tough, Huey.

Yeah, Huey didn't go to college.

He tried it once. Dan Campbell.
Tough. That is tough, Huey.
Yeah, Huey didn't go to college. That makes sense.

He tried it once.

Dan Campbell.

Tough.

Tough.

Detroit.

Detroit, yeah.

Nails.

Nails.

Tough as nails.

That's a miss.

Diamonds are the hardest thing.

I thought about saying that.

I was thinking steel or iron.

Diamonds.

Yeah.

Yeah, steel.

Oh, spider silk.

Isn't that tough?

Oh, yeah.

Like if you made spider silk as big as a steel bar, it'd be twice as strong. Kevlar.
Kevlar. Kevlar.
Tough. Ants are tough.
Yep. They lift 10 times.
They're so tough. 100 times their weight or something? Marbaugh was just saying that, right? Bees.
Bees. He's a big bees guy.
He's a big bees guy. Not coming too fast.
That's very tough. Actually, I think that doesn't count because that's not tough.

That's impossible.

Big difference.

It's not tough because it's not

possible.

What were you going to say? I was like, that's almost as tough as

making a woman come.

I was like, that's also impossible.

Women don't come. Next grit week, make a woman come.
I was like, that's also impossible. Women don't come.
Next grit week, make a woman come challenge. That kid's superhuman? The guy that does the backyard wrestling? Oh, yeah.
That guy rocks. I love that dude.
He'll just set up like a piece of plywood and then wrap it in barbed wire and be like, hey, I'm superhuman. Shout out to all the juggalos and the juggalettes out there.
I'm going to jump into this barbed wire. And he does it every day.
Yeah, and doesn't he say something else like, this fucking sucks or something like that? Well, he just screams in pain every time. It's not like he doesn't feel the pain.
He feels the pain. Yeah.
And then he gets back up, and every day he does it again. Yeah.
Shoe nice. Shoe nice, tough.
Shout out, shoe nice. He ate like 100 tampons once, live on a stream.
He's pretty tough. Drinking glue.
Yeah, he drank glue. He ate a beer bottle.
That's tough as fuck. All right, that was a good Mount Rushmore.
Great Mount Rushmore. Yeah.
All right, boys. Good job.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. It is our Grit Week interviews brought to you by Coors Light.
It is head coach, the Las Vegas Raiders, Antonio Pierce. Coach, first of all, thank you for spending any time with us.
We appreciate it. We're big fans.
We start every Grit Week interview the same, though. Okay.
How do you define grit? Ooh. For me, toughness.
Guys that don't blink, look the barrel down the eye, that's still the eye focus. And more importantly, man, they got to have some shit to them.
Yeah. Yes.
They got to have the ish to them, man.

And if they got that, man, we'll go hand in hand.

That's good to me.

Yeah.

Playing Raiders football.

That sounds like Raider football, doesn't it?

Yeah.

You said that you were born a Raider.

And I don't know what that means because I was not born a Raider.

Or can you change?

No.

No, no, no.

It's genetic.

It's either you got it or you don't.

There's no Raiders conversion.

Is there a DNA test that you can do?

Well, no.

It's kind of attitude.

Okay.

You can look.

You can feel a Raider.

Okay.

I'm sorry. It's genetic.
You have it in you. It's either you got it or you don't.
There's no Raiders conversion. Is there a DNA test that you can do?

Well, no.

It's kind of attitude.

Okay.

You can look.

You can feel a Raider.

Somebody could present as a Raider, but you know deep down inside they're not actually Raiders.

I mean, sometimes.

I know we're in California right now, so you can be like Hollywood around.

Yeah.

Can you look into someone's eye and know if they're a Raider?

Without a question.

Look into our eyes.

No.

No. Oh, shit.
He had you. Damn it.
I was like, I might be a Raider. Holy shit.
I was waiting for you to blink. I saw a little twitch in the eyebrow.
That's why. I was kind of doing a little like, hey, I'm going to go at you.
But the Bears had it. Yeah, yeah.
Raider, Raider family everywhere on the other team. So what does that mean to be born a Raider? Man, like for me, to be honest, like growing up in inner city Los Angeles, it was go back to where we talked about.
It was grit. It was toughness.
It was attitude. It was swag.
It was when you wore those colors and you saw silver and black walking down the street or somebody in all black, you knew they meant business. Yeah.
It wasn't about no BS, right? It was straight standing on business. And that's what it kind of started with me, growing in the inner city and seeing that and seeing, obviously, the entertainment and that culture with hip-hop moving on, but then WA and those gentlemen.
And then just watching Bo Jackson, Marcus Allen, and Howie Long, man. Yeah.
Tecmo Bo. Yeah.
That really did. That actually is not gritty, though, to play with Bo and Tecmo Bowl.
That was cheat. Yeah, right.
That was an easy way out. Yeah, that was an easy way out.
It was fun, though. So, I mean, you do have grit.
We saw it last year when you took over the team. We've seen it your whole career.
I want to go back, though, because you played at Arizona. You don't get drafted.
I've read some stuff that you were shocked you weren't drafted. Do you think your career goes different if you get drafted? Or was that the motivation you needed to then have an incredible NFL career as a player? I mean, it definitely added more fuel to the fire.
You see 30 guys going in front of you like, God damn, 30? I get 10. 15? But 30, when you start seeing those guys at the end of sixth, and seventh round, man, it was like, what did I do wrong? You know, he had a good career.
He was productive, played some good players, good defense. Okay, measurables back then.
Everybody was 6'4", 6'3", 6'4", 250. Okay, I get it.
You know, 6'1", 230. Right.
All right, cool. But it definitely added fuel to the fire.
I would have loved to be drafted because it's just kind of a badge. Yeah.
But at the end of the day, like, man, it's kind of like my whole life. It's not where you start and where you grew up and all that.
It's how you come on top of all that stuff, right? And that kind of just really put that fire and desire in my eye to try to be great. Yeah.
I think it's actually a cooler badge now. Like, to be like, I was not drafted.
Right. And I had a career.
But when you say that, when people say that about me, they're shocked because you look at the end result. Yeah, right.
So you're like, oh, man, no, he should have won the second, third round. I don't know.
Maybe not first. But, you know, you're like, I had to get drafted.
Right. You realize, no.
Oh, wow. I wasn't good enough in 2001, right? Yeah.
And then you look at my career, I'm going to brag a little bit. All those guys that got drafted before me didn't hit any of the stats as an individual or as a team player that I did.
Right. With the Redskins at the time and the Giants.

So I really pride myself on that man.

And obviously that fueled me as I got into playing,

especially in New York.

Yeah.

I mean, look at us.

Three undrafted guys.

Yeah.

We're all the same.

Sit around.

It fueled me.

It fueled me.

Every day I wake up and it fueled me.

If I had a jersey, I'd wear 32.

Yeah, come on, man.

Every team passed on me.

Yeah.

So I was born – I don't think I can say I was born a Redskin. You can.
I was born a Redskin fan because I'm from the D.C. area.
So I always appreciate you on that team. You were the heart and soul of that defense.
That last year that you had – We had some ballers on that team. I know, but that last year, you were a great player for us.
And then we had Clinton Portis on the show like six months ago. Yeah.
And I was talking to him about you, and he said that the Skins were trying to lowball you at the time. And then you obviously had to take the money and go to New York where you ended up flourishing.
But we missed you in D.C. after that.
Like, we wanted you back. I'm sorry that the ownership didn't feel the same way, but you made the right decision.
You go to New York. You win a Super Bowl there.
And going into that game, everybody else in America, again, doubted you. They thought, okay, let's just anoint the New England Patriots.
Going into that game, though, your mindset, did you feel like an underdog going into that game, or did you feel like you were going to win? I felt disrespected. It really went back to Week 17.
The media was asking us, we got into the playoffs, we beat the Bills a week prior. Patriots coming into our place to finish that undefeated season, the regular season.
I remember media asking, are you guys going to play in the game? What are you playing for? Me, myself, Stray and a couple others was like, what the hell are you talking about? Why wouldn't we't we play? You know, we could pay for 16 games.

And these dudes are coming into our house.

Nor did we not really like the Patriots at all anyway.

Right?

So we obviously had a team meeting with Coach Coughlin,

and it wasn't even, like, we didn't even hesitate.

We were like, no, we're doing it.

And then if you guys remember that game,

we were up 12 points late third quarter.

But, you know, listen, Randy Moss is special, and Tom had a great year that year,

and they popped some plays.

We lost by three.

But that gave us kind of like that, man, listen,

we just went toe-to-toe with probably the best team of all time.

Thank you. special and Tom had a great year that year and they popped some plays.
We lost by three. But that gave us kind of like that, man, listen, we just went toe-to-toe with probably the best team of all time.
And I still think probably the best team of all time regardless that they didn't win the Super Bowl. So when we got to the week of the Super Bowl, it goes back to, you know, your question, born a Raider, man.
You know, we got off that plane where? All black. It was death to the Patriots.
It was death to the dynasty.

Going to a funeral. Going to a funeral.

That was a mindset.

That's what I told the team.

Only guy they wanted to do was Eli.

Everybody else, we're all black.

You know what I mean?

But that was kind of our mindset.

Yeah, so we had a big underdog.

And then, you know, there was comments made out the week.

We were going to lose by double digits.

You know, Tom Brady was laughing about the point spread that Plax could burn

or the points that Plax said we were going to hold them to.

And, man, I ain't going to lie. If you would have just watched us practice on defense you'd have knew like it's not gonna be close yeah we was gonna get after those guys because that what it was crazy because tom brady his entire career he didn't give bolton board material but that one time it feels like he slipped up and yeah but is that like because i never know we're we're just fans but like that type of stuff we we say, oh, yeah hold them to 17 points.

And he spied them through.

He was 14, actually.

Yeah.

Were you worried at all during that run that Tom Coughlin's face was going to fall off?

That Green Bay game?

Yeah.

I've never seen a face like that.

No, I was concerned for him. But he's a tough dude.
Now you talk about grit. Now that's a gritty guy, man.
His face was melting. It was done.
Yeah. It was done.
But like all of our faces done. So like we're looking at each other like this is not going to end well.
You know what I mean? But the coolest part about that game, man, like regardless of the weather, the adversity going back and forth, overtime, you know, Brett Favre last game as a Packer, which it ended up to be like, we were just so determined to make it happen, because we had played the two teams, Dallas really the last three teams we placed, right? Dallas, Green Bay and New England, we all faced it in regular season the first two games of the season, we gave up 80 points at 1,000 yards to Dallas and Green Bay to start the season then the last game we we lost to was the Patriots. So, man, there was a lot of, like, bulletin board material,

things that we could really go back and look at and really study.

And that really propelled us and helped us in those playoff games.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Tom Coughlin, ultimate football guy, ultimate grit guy.

We've heard a few stories about Tom as a head coach.

He doesn't give bathroom breaks.

They have to be –

That's true.

Could you, like, raise your hand and be like, no, this is an emergency, please? You had time before. Are you still on Coughlin time? I do start my meetings early.
Okay. I think our team realized that.
Because you kind of came two minutes late to this. Yeah, well, I couldn't find you guys.
Okay, all right, all right. I mean, we're going to find you.
Do you still call it Coughlin time? I'm going to find the head coach. I can rescind that.
Do you still call it Coughlin time or do you call it Antonio clock? No, I call it Coughlin time. He was here the other day.
He was here last week for a week with the team and we started his meeting five minutes early. Love it.
Yeah, for him. Yeah.
Does it get confusing with like daylight savings when you change the clocks? It does. Especially back then because iPhones wasn't even out.
So he's trying to like have us do things with our phones that we couldn't do. And we had to go by the clock inside a building, a stadium.
But if you're not inside a building, a stadium, then how do you know what time it is? Yeah. I just realized that.
That day probably sucks for anyone on Coughlin time. It was very confusing.
And it was very costly. Yeah.
You got to set your clock back an hour and 15 minutes? No, you set it back an hour. But also the 15 minutes.
Yeah, right. No, five.
It was only five. Oh, it's five.
Okay. It was five minutes early.
We'd always heard 15 in the past. No, five.
It was five. Okay.
Well, he's an ultimate football guy. And listen, it's great that you're the coach of the Raiders.
We were rooting for you last year. We wanted you to get this gig.
And when you took over the team, it seems like they got a nice little boost. The players believed in you.
More than anything, they played hard. They played really hard for you.
And that game against the Chargers on Thursday night, at that point I knew I was like they have to do this. They have to hire him as the full-time head coach because going out there on that field after about one second a game, it looked like the Chargers didn't want to be out there.
Did you know in the first half of that game, like I think I'm going to be the head coach of the Raiders next year? Not really. Not that game.
That felt good because the week prior we scored zero. I was going to say that was the worst football game I've ever watched.
That was the worst game I had to be a part of. Yeah, I mean, that was the 3-0 game.
It's like, God, we can't get close to field goal right now. We can't even attempt to field goal.
It's incredible. I mean, it was just one of those games.
And really, as bad as it is, I know we love scoring. It was really two good defenses playing well.
Obviously, quarterback play and offensive play on both sides wasn't good enough because, hell, they didn't score until almost three or four minutes left in the game. But that was tough.
So then you got a short week. Yeah.
So we got walkthrough. We only got two practices, right? And then you're about to play the Chargers at home.
And we, but we did see something on film. We're like, if we can jump out and we can impose our will early and come out with the energy and the tempo and play with the style of play we wanted to play and attack certain players, we can get after them.
And then right away, the first two plays in the run game, we got after them and we knew it then. Yeah.
So our offense started rolling and defense defense was max started flying and turned the corner malcolm coombs had some big plays and obviously jack jones did his little one hand deal there that was awesome yeah that was cool so so the game that i would assume you were like i might get this job was that chiefs game because that was another one where it was like there's it's something beautiful with football where if you play that game a hundred times the chiefs probably win more than half and but it was you guys just had a perfect game plan you just frustrated the hell out of them was that the moment where you're like okay this I I think I might be able to do this well that's what for me is like wow you know I went up against let's go back I went up against Andy Reid 25 times in my career as a player yeah all right or 23 excuse me and so I'm used to that battle but it was was always different. It was a player versus coach.
Now it's coach versus coach. So ultimate respect for what he's done in his career, both in Philly and Kansas city.
But it was like, man, it was tough. That was the hardest thing we've done.
Yeah. Yeah.
That we did that week. I thought the coaches, the buy-in, the players, just the mentality that we talked about all week and the way and the style play we wanted to play with and what we wanted to do to 15 and 87 was critical.
And we wanted to make it ugly. We wanted to make it gritty.
Yeah. Keep using the word because that's a good word for what we're talking about today.
All that stuff came to fruition. And more importantly, man, the guys, they played with a purpose.
Like, we didn't want to be – they were not going to be denied that day. Yeah.
Right? And it was good to feel it after the game. We were in the locker room celebrating.
But did I feel like that was a moment? No, I just felt like, okay, I belong in the National Football League as a head coach. Yeah.
I thought that myself. Did I belong to be the head coach or deserve to be the head coach of the Raiders? We still had some games to go.
We were hoping to get in the playoffs at the time. We had two games left and playing the Colts the next week.
You know, and see how the chips fall at that point. Yeah, and I do.
I love the way that you attack football in an old school way. Talking about Patrick Mahomes, we're going to go after him.
Because we have a theory that with the way that the quarterback position gets refereed now, there's a lot of times where Patrick Mahomes gets, and it's a credit to him, gets that extra five yards because guys will come up short and stuff like that. So are you like – is that something you guys preach every day where it's like, hey, we have to hit the quarterback.
Like we know the rules are different, but we can't just play this style that like lets him do whatever he wants. Yeah, I think our identity on defense is to make you uncomfortable.
Yeah. We want you to step – we want to step on your toes.
We want to be in your face. You know what I mean? We want to make you thinking about us, why you're on the sideline, why you're preparing for us during the week.
What are these guys going to do today? Yeah. We want you to step.
We want to step on your toes. We want to be in your face.
You know what I mean? We want to make you think about us. Why are you on the sideline? Why are you preparing for us during the week? What are these guys going to do today? Yeah.
Like, well, what they got up their sleeve now? And if we can win that mental edge, then obviously we got to go there and execute with X and O's. And our players got to play at a high level.
But, you know, the game is different the way it's officiated when I play, right? So, yeah, you got that old school mentality. But then also you got to be smart to play within the rules.
Yeah. Yeah.
I love it. There's just something about old school football and just not – Especially late in the year, though, right? Late in the year, it was cold.
Everybody got their hoodie on, their beanies. Goddamn stuff's coming out your mouth.
That's what football's supposed to be. You're not supposed to be high scoring and pretty and guys flying around.
No, you're supposed to get hit in your mouth. And that's why you tune in because you tune in and everyone's like, I mean, the Chiefs were like 10-point favorites.

Like, oh, they'll win easily.

It's like, no, the Raiders are going to just muck this up

and make it a fight in the trenches.

I love it.

We did.

You got some good coaches with you now too.

I read – I don't know how true this is.

I forget.

It was one of your players that I think talked about it.

But you have some of your coaches doing conditioning drills.

Somebody said that Rob Ryan was on a treadmill the other day. Not some, all of them.
So we've got 29 coaches. Okay.
Big group. Yeah.
So in offseason, and really even when I was a position coach prior, you watch coaches both on defense, offense, and special teams. We're always telling that players to run from drill to drill.
But then you've got that coach, and he's like 10 yards behind you. The players are there at the drill, but the coach is behind, so we're still late, right? So, cool.
That's one thing. Then I started thinking about, like, man, what can I do to show the players also that, like, man, whatever we tell you to do, we can do as well, regardless if you played or not.
And I said, look, one thing we can all do is we can get in shape. We can lose a couple pounds, right? So, yeah, man.
So, I told the coaches that in February. I said, listen, April, a week before the players come in, we're going to do the condition test.
So, we ran 2040s. Rob Ryan did.
Okay, hold on. Anybody over 60 got on a bike.
Okay, okay. So, they were on a bike.
No, no, it was good. We had an age limit.
You don't want to kill any coaches. Got to take care of our senior coaches.
We had a few of them. But they had to do this.
You know, the trainers had a good idea of what to do, and we ran them. And we got some former players on our staff.
And there was a couple guys showing out, and then we got to – it was funny. We got to the last five, right? So we did 15.
We were doing the last five. So now the guys are trying to show off.
Like, I'm good. And we had about two coaches come up lane.
Ooh. Right? So we, come on, man, you got to finish.
You know, kind of like the players. You know, patting on the butt.
Like, hey, let's go. Let's go.
And then I give them credit, man. The last two reps, they fought through it.
Kind of made the time. But at the end of the day, they finished it.
Yeah. I mean, the whole thing is about finishing.
Yeah. So what we did, boom, players come back.
Off-season program starts. And I said, listen, man, I appreciate everybody being here.
But let me show you how dedicated these coaches you got this year. Look what we did, and I put it on.
Of course, Rob Ryan has his shirt off, and he's doing stretching. It's not pretty at all, but Rob's got the hair back.
He's got the flow, yeah. Yeah, it's good.
He's laughing, he's karaoke-ing, and the knees not going up at all. It was good for our team and our coaches to do it, but obviously it was even better for their health, man man.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Who's the fastest coach? It's you. It's you? I'm going to put myself in top three.
We got Ricky Manning. Okay.
Played corner league for several years. He's up there.
Andre Carter's still in tremendous shape. So I would put us three there.
Yeah. Would you say, are you addicted to making other men run? Because that story that I also heard of you in high school, when you were coaching high school, and your team was up 63-9 at half, and you didn't like how they looked, so you made them run during halftime.
Yeah. And then you actually took a penalty at halftime because you got back, like, not in time because they were still running gassers.
Ran back the opening kickoff in the second half. Yeah, and then you won 99-9.

So would you say maybe you're addicted to making other guys run?

Well, I know, you know.

What was the thought?

I mean, that's a crazy story.

What's crazy is when I played, I could run for days.

I was always in shape.

Like, you know, you're a high school athlete, college athlete,

you want to be a pro athlete.

You can never be out of shape, right?

So coached at Long Beach Poly, and, you know,

we're getting after the team pretty good, but we're just being sloppy. You know, guys have got some pill needs and stuff like that.
63-9 is the score. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The team was like 0-6, 0-7. I was mad they even scored.
Like, what are we doing? So, I told my other teammates, listen, y'all can have our locker room. Go drink our water.
You get all our snacks. We're going on the side field in the dark.
And we ran literally for, I think it was 20-minute halftime.

And then the referees were blowing the whistle.

We didn't go out there.

And they threw the flag.

And they kicked the ball off.

And we ran it back.

And we were up 70 to 9.

And we just kept running until the score hit 99.

And we could have kept running.

You know what I mean?

But to me, that's like what our team.

We talk about effort.

Because at this level, when you get to professional football, everybody's good, right? You're playing with the 1% of the 1%. What separates you? And, like, you look at Max Crosby, what separates Max Crosby from the rest of the defensive ends and defensive players in the National Football League? His effort.
Yeah. So if I can get our guys in shape, in condition, in football shape to just constantly run and give that effort, man, like we can roll with the best of them because now you've got 61 minutes to deal with us.
I said 61 because we're going to play each second longer than you. It's probably nice having a defensive player like Max too as a leader of the team, and he's out there on road trips, and he's importing his meal prep that he brings in and makes at home.
If he's spending all that time taking care of himself, then, yeah, you don't want to be a fat ass behind him, right? Listen, the first day I ever walked in this building back in 2022, the first person I met was Max at 6 a.m. in the morning.
When I wake up every day, the first person I see in the building and downstairs is Max Crosby. Yeah.
It's amazing. Like, it's 365, 24-7.
Yeah. I've never seen nothing like it.
Like, we don't, we have walkthroughs and it's not a walkthrough for him. He just kind of understands that.
Yeah. Like there's walkthrough, and then there's Max.
Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah.
But when you have your best player playing at that level, what's happening now with the rest of our team? Yeah. Then I had a Christian Wilkins.
Yeah. Now I got two of them.
I got a guy inside and outside because he does the same exact thing. So now that just breeds this, man, this energy and this synergy into our building and into our defense that, you know, these guys, they just want to run, man.

They want to run and hit.

They love playing ball.

You know, it's fun to watch.

It's really fun to watch.

Do you have to change anything about your personality as a defensive guy that's, you

know, you've hated quarterbacks for a long time and now you're the head coach and you're

like, shit, I have to coach a quarterback now?

Like, I have to love this guy?

No, I don't change.

I talk to him crazy just like I talk to the linebackers.

They look at me crazy too. Like, that's not quarterback talk.
talk. It's okay.
It's football talk. Yeah.
Football's football. I like that.
Football's football, man. Let's not ever get confused, right? So that's how we operate here.
And they get it. Obviously, we got to be sensitive to them at times, how we touch them.
Yeah. But how we talk is how we talk.
Do you talk football to the kickers? We do, Dale. Okay.
They got to make tackles. Yeah.
It's the kickoff rule, right? So Daniel Carson did a good job the other day with the media. I mean, he's talking about, like, man, I'm doing biceps and getting a little bench press going because I got to make some tackles, you know, I got to be involved.
So, yeah, we talk a little bit. Try not to get those guys too much.
But you don't want to bottom down with too much football. No, we don't.
And we got two special guys, man, with AJ and Daniel. So we talk a little bit, but a little bit sensitive because they're more with the feet.
Yeah. More with the feet.
A little different. I'm not that good with that one.
Yeah, kickers are weird. Very strange people.
But our kickers are cool. Yeah.
We got cool kickers. I've been around weird kickers.
I've been around some weird guys. Like, oh, man, this dude's a weirdo.
But these guys can hang. They can hang out with these guys.
We can hang out together. They can hang out with a lot of guys.
Steve Weatherford? Were you with him? Yes, Steve. He's a weirdo.
I played with Jay Feely. Yeah.
Jay used to come with all the wristbands popped up. He's going to knock somebody out on the kid.
Those guys are weirdos. Did you ever see the picture of Jay Feely when his daughter was going to prom and he had a gun in his hand? Jay Feely, it's funny.
We came in the same year in New York Giants together, both as free agents, the signees. So we played a couple years together.
I got a good Jay Feely story. Man, we play in Seattle.
He misses a couple field goals and Shockey just goes haywire. He's in the damn locker room throwing chairs at him.
And Jay's bobbing and weaving, man. Like, I actually kicked one of them damn things.
You know what I mean? Kind of cool, man. But Jay was like a tough dude, man.
Like, he was a guy that wasn't supposed to be a kicker. He was supposed to be like a linebacker.
Yeah. He just happened to be a little short and a little stubby.
He's a good linebacker. I feel like Weatherford was kind of like that, too, where he was self-conscious about being a punter.
So he spent all this time just working his arms out. Yeah.
Got him. Yeah.
Jacked up. Yeah, yeah.
The most jacked up punter of all time. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah. So we are obsessed with the owner of the Raiders.
We want to get him on the show at some point uh mark davis have you gone to we listen we saw him at super bowl we kind of we might have ambushed him at a hotel and we're like hey you're gonna come on he's like yeah okay uh so i don't think that's gonna happen but have you gone to pf chang's with him no will you that's all that's where he eats all the time that's every it- It's his favorite meal. Breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
I thought it was In-N-Out. Oh.
So I heard that earlier, too, that he's spending a lot of time at In-N-Out. But I also think he goes to P.F.
Chang's and that's like his meditation spot. Yeah.
He sits down by himself. It's his spa.
Eats the meal. So I don't think none of us will be going with him if he goes by himself and he's eating a meal at P.F.
Chang's. I think we're going to leave that to him.
That's our dream, to go to P.F. Chang's with him.

You got to catch him.

Yeah.

We might just have to stake out a P.F. Chang's.

That's fine.

Yeah, so in other words, we'll just have to go to P.F. Chang's every day.

There's not a lot of things.

I mean, there's only a handful, right?

Okay, yeah.

We'll just –

You got to have some spotters.

Yeah, he's got his minivan.

I don't know if he still rides around in that thing.

That thing rocks.

Yeah.

He's got some toys too now. Yeah.
I'm going to pull out every once now. Yeah.
What was it like when you got offered the job, like officially? It was good.

Came downstairs and kind of looked me in the eyes and says, man, I think you're the guy for the job.

And got a good little bear hug. And I told him, I said, man, I'm not going to disappoint you.

We're going to be consistent. What you've seen last year is going to just grow.
And we got a good relationship relationship, man. That's cool.
Like, I reach out to Mark a lot, keep him informed of what's going on. It's good to see him around the building.
He was at practice just a couple weeks ago to see the guys and watch the scrimmage and stuff, man. And I think it's important when your owner's presence is around the team.
Because, you know, when I was a player, I looked like, where's the owner? Does he care? Does he not around? Because I had two different organizations, right? I had one guy, you know, the team you like. He was probably drunk in Cuba somewhere.
Never around, right? And that was another organization where they were always there. Yeah.
And I thought that was important. Which team was better? Just curious.
Which owner was better? Let you choose the one on that side, yeah. I would have stayed with that one if there was better.
But, yeah, anyway. Yeah.
But, no, man, listen, Mark, one thing about Mark, he just wants to win. He was born a Raider.
If anybody was born a Raider. Clearly, he was born a Raider.
He probably came out in silver and black. I don't know.
Most of the time you get that pretty blanket, he probably had a Raider blanket. Yeah.
Pretty cool. I didn't have a Raider blanket.
I just happened to see the colors and fell in love with him. Yeah.
And he wears the white jeans, which rock. Yeah.
Nobody pulls off. No.
No one. I can't pull that off.
I've been seeing he he's sometimes in the owner's suite with white jeans white shirt eating like buffalo wings but

not a stain on his shirt yeah he doesn't spill he's an adrenaline junkie or you just keep a

couple white shirts with you you get why you just flip it that might be the case i think he could

afford yeah you could probably yeah a little bit more than one white shirt yeah um all right i know

you got to run in a minute so we got a couple last questions my last question chevy question

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So how often, like in day-to-day, do people bring up that 2007 Giants team?

And has there ever been a time where you've talked about them and it was awkward?

No.

No, I'm a champion.

Not in a team meeting.

I'm always a leader.

You know, things like that. This head coach? Now you know what the question was.
I don't think I was asked the question. I just made a reference.
Yeah. It goes back to the mindset, man.
It goes back to that mindset. Yeah.
You go against the best, you got to do something a little different, right? You got to approach it differently. You know what I mean? What you did in the past doesn't work with this team.
And that's kind of what it was. But yeah, I've been asked that question quite a few.
And if you ask me the question, you better be ready for the answer. Yeah.
How about that point? That's a good point. How about that point? That's a very, very fair point.
How about that point? Some people would cut too close to the bone. And they'd just be very sensitive about it.
Hypothetically. Things like that can happen.
Yeah, things can happen. Talk about anybody in particular.
My last, last question is just I read that you had interned on the Howard Stern Show. Man.
What was the process like for that? Why did you decide, like, I would enjoy being an intern for the Howard Stern Show? So when I was with the Giants, I did a bunch of how about weekly show. I think it was a Pierce Fierce Report is what we called it.
And after we won the Super Bowl, I was like, hey, man, I want to play with Stray Ann, play with Tiki Barber, two guys that went to the media right after football. So I'm like, man, I want to do some internships.
So I did the, which was cool, which was crazy. I did, which nobody really talked about.
I did Jamie Foxx, did Playboy, which was behind us. You interned at Playboy? Let's stay with Howard Stern.
And then they were like, Howard wants you to do it. So I'm like, cool.
So the first day, I literally did all the stuff with Sal, Richard, Howard, and all the guys behind the scenes. And the next day, like, we're going to put you on camera.
And then it was crazy, man. Like, I wish I could do it again.
Because I didn't know Howard as well as I know him now, especially back then. I knew who he was and how big he was.
I didn't realize how smart he was, how sharp he was. But then also I didn't know what goes on in the back rooms.
Yeah. The back rooms are real.
Yeah. When they pull back this curtain, I need them shades.
Yeah, yeah. You better be prepared.
Yeah. But no, man, it's funny because I get asked about that probably second most other than the Super Bowl game.
If I had known you were an intern for Playboy, I would have just strictly written Playboy questions. It was weird.
I said I want to be diverse, and they gave me the most damn diverse things possible. If I could do a Howard Stern show again, I'd love to do it, man.
Howard is a good gentleman, obviously very sharp. They got a good thing going.
I mean, how many years now? Yeah. It's forever.
30 years. Yeah.
He's the king of media. Yeah.
He's the godfather. Yeah.
Well, coach, thank you so much. I know you're going to have grit on these Raiders.
Oh, yes. Like, just being around you pumps me up.
So we're big fans, and best of luck this season. You want to do a prediction? Yeah.
Okay. We're going to win a lot of games.
A lot of games. Okay.
I'm going to take you over on not a lot. Four games than they think.
Okay. I like that.
Very good. I'm wrong.
Yeah. All right.
Thanks so much, Coach. I appreciate it.
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This is a gritty interview because we only have one camera set up. Backstory, we're at the Long Beach, we're in Legends at Long Beach doing a fan meetup and a guy comes up to me and he says, big cat, you've talked about me a lot, but you don't know who I am.
And I was very skeptical. And I was like, what the fuck is this guy talking about? And he says, I'm Andy.
I'm the kid that got my head stuck in the Jacksonville Jaguars statue. Uh, however many years ago, 20 years ago, 1997, 1997.
so i verified what he showed me his id i verified it with the news stories so we were like we have to have at least five minutes with the kid that got his head stuck in the jaguar's statue in 1997 an all-time iconic picture so andy what i mean just what happened well first of all thank you guys for having me for grit week this is uh i don't know if what i did was gritty enough of worthy of this uh sit down i'd say it is yeah yeah yeah without a doubt yeah um so no i was uh so i grew up in jacksonville um love jacksonville um i was nine years old i think my parents took me there we were there we were going to some because you know jackson is like a Navy port city. I think they had some Navy boat museum thing they were doing.
And so we were already downtown. So we're like, oh, let's go to the statue or the stadium and kind of hang out and check out the vibe or whatever.
And I was like, I think at the time I was like, oh my God, this will be a really funny picture when I stick my head in here. Yeah.
And so I did my thing, went up there. It was your my idea because there's a lot i'm glad we're getting this moment because there's a lot of different things i know you guys have speculated my death a couple times i think when you talked to tony con i think one of you said well i think he might be dead yeah he just died in this yeah because when we saw we saw the picture we're like this kid is so dumb there's no way he's laughed lasted like many years past oh yeah no i was nominated for a darwin award okay yeah i thought that there was a chance that maybe you died in the statue and then the news just covered it up oh yeah i mean there's i mean those conspiracies there's i mean it's a full spectrum of all those situations okay so so back to what happened on that day yeah fateful day yeah so i stuck my head in the statue for a picture thinking it'd be funny and i i have like remember after the picture was done i was like i you know i'm i can't get out and i think at first mom was like all right get in the fucking car kind of thing like we're like you know i'm nine and like i'm with like you know it's just me my mom my brother and my sister hanging out there and i was like no for real like this is like a thing and it escalated from like a holy shit this this is actually happening moment, from a parent who's freaking out to, what do we do from here kind of thing.
So I think some Jaguar security came out, monitored the situation. The first thing they did, related to it, is they put Vaseline all over my head.
Trying to wiggle me out, holding me by the feet. You're talking to the mic.
holding me by the feet and trying to like wiggle me out and then i just remember them being like it's not gonna do it and i and i and all i'm like nine my head's in there they put a towel over me so i'm not like looking out at all of the people yeah because there's a crowd as this is happening it's starting to trickle in like there's as this is happening it's starting to trickle in. A whole circle is forming.
That's when I thought they had killed you. When they put the towel over.
Yeah, they shoot you like a racehorse. They put the tarp out.
They just put this guy out there. It's been euthanized.
There were just too many eyes on at the time. It would be hard to pull off.
So how long were you in the statue? A little bit over, I would say like an hour and a half. Oh my God.
Yeah. And so you got stuck in there because the the you were saying earlier the curvature of the jaguar's fangs you can go in but then when you try to go out the fangs yeah that was the number one question that was the thing that was hitting and this was pre-social media obviously but this still like this was so big that my mom's sister found out in germany and no one from america called like they were like is this andy like like is this your son and this was like i said this is pre-social media pre any of that so like this was like a big story and the number one thing like my parents got all these phone calls like like to come on these talk shows i remember like nickelodeon's like something i think was a summer sanders i don't remember the name of it like thing some like rosie o'donald and etc like all these like talk shows like oh we got to get like the story or whatever and my dad's like there's no story whatever i do remember that one of the big things that they talked about was the jags were like the jags were nervous at the time there was like things like oh my god this family is gonna sue us yeah this is gonna be yeah this is gonna be a thing like whatever and i think my dad was just like and he got a lot of respect for this my dad's like we're not gonna sue you we're not like those type of people like kids a shithead yeah exactly yeah he's nine yeah he's just like whatever but there was a lot of people like oh my god like freaking out and the jaguars were super thankful the owner at the time was owned by the weaver i know it's shod con now prior to that it was the weavers um the weavers came out and like you know made sure everything was okay i got a football signed like all the jaguars back in the day because i've been a hardcore fan since ever so i was like i came out and i didn't understand the gravity of how big this was it was like oh this is i was nine it's like oh this was kind of a shitty day so so wait so how did they get you out so after the vaseline procedure failed they're like we're gonna have to give the jaws of life so the fire department shows the fire department shows up i was on rescue 9-1-1 there's still like some there's still some clips you can find of this um so they call the fire department they try to do something with a couple tools first and then eventually they're like no we got to bring out the jaws of life so that's when i think and it might have been around the moment when they actually put the towel on me because they don't want me to see because they had that thing yeah it's just like you know right above like my head but going back to your thing earlier when you were talking about the actual how does that work and i explained

because the number one question was like how does how does it get in and not out that's just the

number one you'll never not hear that question i explain it like a crab trap where like you can

push your ears backwards like bending back but then it gets can't go forward can't go forward

and so that was like the simplicity of it but everyone like that was the number one thing people

were like how does that how is that even possible so all right so you get out and then like when you were growing up with were people like hey you're the statue kid yes a hundred percent and i again like i knew when i got home that day i remember i do remember getting home and being like all i thought about when i got home was oh my god i have a football signed by like mark burnell yeah like oh Mark Burnell. Yeah.
And, like, oh, that's all I cared about. I was nine, but I was a diehard Jackman.
It taught you the wrong lesson through this, which is, like, do something really stupid, and then everyone gives you stuff. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean. Congratulations.
Yeah. Thank you.
I appreciate it. I appreciate it.
No. So I remember getting home and being kind of stoked.
I was like, look at this football I got. Yeah.
This is kind of rad. of rad and i remember my dad you know my dad's a doctor and he got home like late that night and he just like and my mom i think i had like called him that point he just like comes in i just remember him doing like like this big sigh because it's like i don't know how relatable that moment is when your kid i know you have kids yeah like if you just found out your kid is about to be all over the news right because they got stuck in the bear's stash yeah yeah right like'd be like i don't even how do we move forward with this and so from that point on it was you know parents getting calls to do this and want to talk about it and then me at school i was in fourth grade so i remember i came back i had somebody's like yeah dude you're like you know you're a legend or like whatever this was in 1997 in fourth grade and then um i had to get like strategic about it as i got older

later in life because it's like i'm not gonna like you know actually my college essay that

helped me get in like i feel like to school i went to emory was like i bet you never heard of

a kid who got his head stuck in a jaguar and lived to tell the tale yeah because that became

like you look for a hook for those right right and that stood out but i also had to be careful

and not like any other kind of particular jogging reason be like oh yeah i'm an idiot yeah i got

I'm going to... became like you look for a hook for those right right and that stood out but i also had to be careful and not like any other kind of particular jogging reason be like oh yeah i'm an idiot yeah i got my head still gonna jaguar statue when i was nine so how it so i used to do uh nfl recap blogs uh like way back early barstool and i would use the picture every time the jaguars i would see it every time yeah so would you like you you obviously get older and you're like all right that was a thing of the past like have you had moments where you're like fuck it keeps coming up no one i mean i didn't know you came up to me i had no idea who you were no no i know exactly like that's the thing i was lucky it was pre-social media even know that people like you and other people and i'm not saying this is a dig i think it's still fine i don't it doesn't like affect yeah the jaguars official account posted on their tiktok like a few weeks ago and people started people don't know a lot of people like who i didn't know in jacksonville who knew of the story growing up are like where is he now whatever and i was laughing at the comments because someone were like like i heard he's like in bangladesh like one guy was like and then one guy it was funny i saw a caption was like i actually heard like he's in la like he's a producer on vanderpump rules which at the time that was correct and i was like I was like oh shit this guy he knows this guy's been digging yeah like how long into a relationship if you're like dating somebody how long do you wait to tell them like just so you know I'm the kid that got his head stuck in the statue oh my god um I wouldn't say it's an ice breaker but it's definitely that's something that comes up I would say I don't know three weeks in once you're past the like awkward vibe whatever if then they're comfortable with you then it's like hey yeah here's a fun story yeah if you wait like two years then they'll be like why the fuck didn't you tell me that earlier exactly and i wouldn't put on my dating profile if it was like a first swipe yeah oh i would i would just have the picture yeah you just have me in the head yeah yeah i think i'm look.
Look at me now. That's true.
Before and after. Yeah, they would think you're nine.
Look at me now. All right, so last question I have.
Do you think you've cursed the Jaguars? It's a great question. There's been a lot of speculation.
I was actually, before we got on the bus, I was trying to dig back because there were some really funny old Facebook messages I would get from seriously angry fans that would be like, fuck you. Like, fuck you.
Ever since you did that, were sick back then and now you went to an afc championship game like soon after and like we were sick back then and we've been nothing but garbage since then it's all your fault and if i ever like fucking see you in jacksonville you better like keep your head on a swivel like and it's like and it's not like and it was dead and the guy was like and i don't get like tons of those but like those exist like people on the internet that's incredible so's incredible. So I'll get something like that occasionally, and I'm just, yeah.
Well, so what we're going to do for you, because we know Tony, I'm going to send Tony a picture of this, and I'm going to be like, if the Jags ever win the Super Bowl, I think you need to be part of the parade. Yeah, and we should all get together.
If the Jags, I'm hoping we're going to go to the Super Bowl this year. We're not going to go to Jacksonville, but you are.
Oh, you're going to go to Jacksonville. No, we will.
You guys love Jacksonville. Yeah, we do love Jacksonville, but we're not going to go to Jacksonville.
I might go play Sawgrass again. TPC, I saw your tweets.
Great course. I want the Jags to embrace you.
I want going forward, you need to be like, hey, we found them, and everything's going to be good now. It's a matter of fact that you cannot tell the story of the Jacksonville Jaguars without this kid getting his head stuck in the statue.
That's like a very, very big part of the Jacksonville Jaguars. I was seriously starstruck.
I said to Hank, I was like, I don't remember the last time I felt this way. When you told me that you were the kid, I was just like, oh my God.
I felt weird coming up because I know you get everywhere you guys go. There's like, there's like no this one was i have a funny story anytime someone prefaces especially to you at this point in your career when they say i have a funny story i know this one delivered no this one delivered sure yeah go ahead and shoot man yeah no no no this is one that's really gonna i thought you were dead and out yeah no i might have started that rumor uh all right well andy thank you thank you guys um the story's not ending though i i want to see you with the jags when they win a super bowl oh yeah and maybe we'll have to get maybe we get like a paper mache like jags hat that's just the the statue's still there yeah so the statue's still there at one point so when they they gave me the tooth and i it sucks because i actually i gave it back to them and i wish i didn't i know at the time i didn't so i gave it back to him then they put like a rubber like fake stub tooth and it was so funny because i want to say like i mean this was probably like eight years ago i was back home and we went to like monster jam at the jaguar stadium or something there was a yellow security guard standing out who was just monitoring to make sure like kids don't get near the statue and my buddy's like dude you created a job yeah yeah you did yeah job creator and Job creator Andy.
All right, well, thanks, man. Appreciate you coming out.
Thanks for having me, guys. I really appreciate it.
I feel like a sense of relief that you're not dead. We can finally move on.
And we know. And we found each other in the most unexpected place.
At a sports bar in Long Beach, California. I kept that tooth, though.
That would go so hard as a necklace. Yeah, we got to get you another one.
I know. Can I say one thing, too? Yeah.
Going forward, when you guys talk about, you know, I listen to you guys religiously from the beginning. When you do your recaps the week, I get the joke sometimes when you do like, oh, Jags Tennessee.
We're like, we can just skip that one. Yeah, yeah.
There's a big Jag. We love the Jaguars.
I know. They're a big deal.
And we love listening to you guys. I know you're laughing.
I think that was pre-Trevor Lawrence, though. Because you guys had some years between...
Yeah, but Gardner... After Blake...
Yeah, and then you had the Urban Meyer year. All right, we'll do maybe more.
At a minute. Yeah, yeah.
And now we're talking Jaguars. That's what we'll do.
Now we're talking Jaguars. Jagging off.
Jagging off. All right.
Thank you, Andy. Thank you, guys.
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Okay, it's time to wrap up the show with our good, good friend. It is Coach Eric Musselman, USC Basketball.
Coach, we just went through a workout with you. Let's start with that.
how how'd we do i was super impressed um one with the uh effort okay energy and the enthusiasm all right you guys that was no basketball skills i like that it's just the effort energy enthusiasm the three e's you brought it and then the fourth e you guys executed okay right we put in a play play. You guys executed.
You had good reads. We kind of lacked ball skills.
Yep. True.
Yep. We for sure lacked shooting.
Yep. Yep.
Now, would you say shooting the basketball is important in basketball? Not that important. I mean, not that.
Just a little bit. Yeah.
The meanest thing that you said was, I think you were trying to be nice nice but the fact that you were impressed with us you were surprised and and uh that really speaks poorly to what you thought of us going into this workout well i hadn't seen you know i had i hadn't had the ability to really scout you guys yeah that's actually our secret weapon so people don't know how unathletic we are yeah so it would be hard to right it's hard. It's hard to put a practice plan together, and it's hard to coach.
You guys were fairly easy to coach, great coachability, but that usually happens, like lack of skill, really coachable, and then super skilled and maybe not so easy to coach. Yeah, it's perfect that we have you on the show because we're in Southern California for Grit Week.
There were a few people that were pointing out that maybe it's hard to be gritty in Southern California. It's too nice, but you are a perfect example.
So can you teach us how to maintain our grit while living in 73-degree weather year-round? Well, I think it's all about where you are. You know what I mean? So if if you're between the lines in the Galen Center, you got to have grit, you know, and then maybe tonight at the Manhattan Beach Pier, you don't really need the grit, you know? And so it's all about your environment and where you're at at the time, you know, but you don't need grit 24-7, right? You just need it when you're competing.
Yeah. And you are a gritty coach.
You you know your teams always play very hard uh you know always running so what is it like when you when you get guys you're like hey we're gonna run we're i'm gonna expect the most out of you how do you get that out of guys i think the big thing is it's like starts in the recruiting process you know like you got to go recruit and get guys that kind of fit your style your system, fit the identity that you want to play. It's kind of hard to change guys.
You can tweak it, get them to step over the line a little bit more than maybe where they are. And that all comes with player development and buy-in.
You know, it's hard to run. You know, everybody says they want to run.
And then you're like, hey, here's the commitment that it takes to play with some pace, play with defensive intensity and then all of a sudden guys might not want to do that yeah how do you get that how do you get the conditioning what's the conditioning drill that you do to get your guys to a point where it's like they're going to be able to outrun and outlast the other team yep so the first thing we do is there's a mile test that you have to pass okay and if you do not pass not pass the mile, you have to do it again like two or three days later. What's the passing time? So it's 530 for the guards.
Okay. 530 for the guards.
Okay. Yeah.
It is five. Can we use a bike? Huh? Can we ride a bike? You could.
Okay. I could do it.
Yeah. Beach cruiser.
Yeah. And then it's 545 for the wings.
Okay. And then 555 for the bigs, the fours and fives.
Damn. Yeah.
That's really fast. And then what happens after that? After they pass the test? Once you pass, you're good to go.
Okay. And then we have a conditioning test that is in the gym with the strength coach that we've taken from the Miami Heat.
Coach Riley did it. Coach Spolster did it or does it.
And then they got to do that with the strength coach. And what's that? That's a sideline to sideline thing that I let him kind of run.
Yeah. They'll do that when they – so we just finished our eight-week segment.
We did the mile. Everybody passed but two guys.
So when they come back, they'll continue to try to work on the mile. The rest of the team, when they come back, they'll do this Miami heat conditioning in the gym.
So it starts on the track, and then it evolves onto the court. I noticed in your evaluation of us, you didn't mention if we had aura.
Is that part of your evaluation process? Aura. Yeah, do we have aura, mojo? Yeah, I thought there was a lot of confidence.
You know, maybe at a few of the positions too much confidence um but certainly swag i i would i would say the swag was there that would be the biggest thing you know as you guys walked out there like you belonged yeah you know and that's half the battle you got to look good in the layup line yeah it's also insanity uh thinking that we belong out there probably probably but yeah i did i when we went to the practice facility i hit like four threes in a row and then uh one of your assistant coaches gave me a bad pass and i missed the next like 10 and i was like that bad pass probably ended my career yeah you know because i was i was kind of in a point where i was like if musk gets a look at this like he's gonna be like damn you damn. You know the deal, Big Cat, never shoot a bad pass.

Oh, I like that. So you've got to remember that.

Whether you're watching an NBA game, it's really hard to make a shot off a bad pass.

So you should have thrown it back to the assistant coach and said,

hey, man, hit me in the chest, hit me in my shooting pocket, get your stuff together.

Because that's not on you, that's your shot.

Okay, so maybe I'm back.

Yeah, you're back. Yeah.
All right, so we have our listener submitted grit questions hank has them hank will fire them off and we'll answer them to the best hank did have grit today too yeah i mean when he dove on the floor yeah he showed great i can't wait till people see this video we were flopping all over the floor max maybe some butt crack we'll have to there was some big butt crack for Max. Yeah, Huey with an all-time hustle play,

chasing down that loose ball.

Yeah.

All the way into the stands.

All the way into the stands.

He went a couple rows up.

That was incredible.

Yeah.

Okay, Hank.

Is grit and Moxie the same thing?

Having Moxie in the pocket or having grit on the line,

are they the same?

Ooh.

I think Mojo, Coach also showed us the Mojo plays. Yeah, yeah.
And like Mojo, grit, or I feel like it's all kind they the same oh i think mojo coach also showed us the uh the mojo plays yeah and like mojo grit or i feel like it's all kind of the same i don't think grit and moxie are the same i don't think i actually don't agree with you yeah yeah i don't think that you can have aura and grit at the same time i think they're mutually exclusive yeah moxie is like you could have grit in moxie i don't know but if you have moxie i don't know if you have grit yeah like in in football terms i'd say that drew lock has moxie right and like tasem hill has grit yeah so what would you rather have in in a guy you're recruiting a moxie or grit both you need the combination yeah how many grit guys if you have a 12-man roster how many grit guys you need how many moxie do you need? I don't think you can have a lot of moxie guys. Okay.
So I would say moxie guys, three. Okay.
Right? And the rest, grit. Yeah.
And then you're going to win. I think that's right, because if you have too many moxie guys, there's only one ball.
Egos. Yeah.
Moxie, there's a little ego involved. Yeah, right.
Grit's just toughness. You're like a sewer rat.
Yeah. Yeah.
You know? But how good is it?

You do need, the one thing I love about basketball is you do need at least one guy on the roster who thinks he's just never going to miss, right?

Oh, no question.

Yeah.

You got to have a guy that's just got unbelievable confidence.

Yeah, like too much confidence where you're like, he's actually insane, but you need that.

No doubt.

Yeah.

Good question.

As an avid pickup basketball player, what's a good way for me to consistently be the grittiest guy out there?

Floor burns.

Yeah.

I mean, it's a little hard if you play it outdoor.

Just pick up basketball, though.

If you're diving on the floor and pick up basketball.

I mean, nobody wants to do that.

Okay.

So if you can do that, or forget diving on the floor then.

It's all about when the ball's in the air.

How many loose balls can you get? Long rebounds, balls that are floating around. Can you get those? Yeah.
It's like a receiver. You think every rebound when the ball's in the air, that's your ball.
Yeah. Go get it.
Personally, so wait, what was the exact question? How can you be the most grit? What's a good way for me to consistently be the grittiest guy out there? So the two tips I would give is you want to save your energy,

so always try to correct the score every time down.

Be like, hey, hold up, check ball.

What's the score again?

And then use your timeouts.

So the timeout will always stop the game for at least 30 seconds.

Everyone will be like, dude, there's no timeouts in pickup.

And then you get your breath back a little bit.

Just yell ball.

Yeah.

When people are shooting.

Yeah.

If you call a timeout though

and you're playing with the wrong guys in pickup ball,

especially if it's outdoor, you might.

Yeah, that's true.

But listen, the timeout, everyone looks around.

They're like, what are you doing calling a timeout?

There's no question.

And then you get your breath back.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I called a timeout today during practice.

The mic, yeah, when we were getting mic'd up,

that saved me.

Yeah, right.

It's all about that.

That can maximize your grit.

Can you please ask Mus what grit means to him

when it comes to what makes a great walk-on?

I hope you enjoyed it. That saved me.
Yeah, right. It's all about that.
That can maximize your grit. Can you please ask Mus what grit means to him when it comes to what makes a great walk-on? Does he have any good stories from walk-on tryouts, specifically at Nevada and a walk-on's abilities to juggle and ride a unicycle? Also, does he have any good Gilbert Arenas or Ron Artest stories? Oh, good question.
So where do you want me to start? Just with the walk-on. Yeah.
Yeah, what grit means to him when it comes to what makes a great walk-on? Yeah, a great walk-on. Well, first of all, a great walk-on's got to be the grittiest guy on the team.
I mean, there's no questions about that. Or the coach's son.
Or the coach's son. That'll work, too.
Or grandson. But I would say, you know, a great walk-on story, right? Was that part of the question? Yeah, something about, I think, I'm guessing that he's talking about himself.
Specifically at Nevada and a walk-on's ability is to juggle and ride a unicycle. What was this guy's name? It doesn't have his name.
So was there a walk-on at Nevada that rode a unicycle? Yeah, we did a pregame warm-up at Nevada, which was we had a guy that rode a unicycle and juggled. So this is his question for sure.
So we had a walk-on tryout at Nevada, and one of the assistant coaches was really serious. He was having him do ball handling shooting.
All I wanted was a walk-on who could ride the unicycle for the pregame warm-up. So I kind of stopped the thing and go, hey, let's stop with the basketball stuff.
I just want to find a guy that can juggle and ride a unicycle for this warm-up. You wanted Red Panda on the team.
Yeah. There you go.
Yeah, exactly. Do you ever have walk-ons that try too hard in practice, or is that not a thing? Oh, no, for sure.
Yeah. Great question.
Yeah. Yeah, because if you've got a walk-on who's too excited and really you know like you don't want an injury right you know what i mean and a lot of walk-ons oftentimes are smaller uh maybe not as skilled not as athletic you don't want to walk on like hard file bill lambeer hard foul right on one of your better players so you do have to tell some walk-ons like hey man hey, man, chill, or you're only on the scout team.
You're only to go, like, 50% right now. We're not going, you know.
Yeah. What if you're playing against a team, like, I don't know, Houston comes to mind, or a team that's just going to absolutely, like, shove you around and be physical.
Do you then tell your practice team, like, hey, we need to actually dial it up with the intensity? We need to be a little bit more physical? Yeah, we haven't played houston but if you're playing kelvin sampson's team yeah you would probably i'd probably throw seven walk-ons out there yeah to and have our guys try to guard five five on seven and put seven scout team guys going to the offensive glass because that's what it looks like when houston when a shot goes up like their best offense is a missed shot. Yeah.
So, yeah, we would probably over-exaggerate what we would have to do to try to take away their offensive rebounding game. Yeah.
Okay, and then what was it, Ron Artester Gilbert Arenas? So do you have any good stories about them? I mean, there's so many with both of them. So you were an assistant coach when they were on what teams? No, I was a head coach with Gilbert Arenas his second year playing for the Warriors.
He didn't play much his first year. I got hired as the head coach and probably about the second or third practice, about 15 minutes in, I don't ever leave practice.
I left practice, went upstairs. The GM was Gary St.
Gene. i'm like this guy guy down here is an all-star.
Like, he's going to be a bona fide all-star. He was so talented, could go get his own shot whenever he wanted.
So that's the one thing. And then with Ron Artest, I mean, it was every game.
I was the head coach of the Kings. First close game we had, right? It was like 15 seconds left.
We call a timeout. We're playing in Milwaukee.
Ron comes sprinting up to me. Coach, what are we doing? The Kings need a basket and we're down one against Milwaukee Bucks.
I'm like, I don't know. He goes, get the ball to Ron Artest.
That's a good answer. I'm like, alright, let's get the the ball to run yeah gilbert arenas he's one of those guys that had unbelievable confidence in himself yeah he did and he could back it up yeah yeah he really could yeah unbelievable player uh all right well last one what who's your favorite or player with most grit from your time at arkansas oh that's a yeah that's a tough i would say uh we had a lot of guys at Arkansas that had grit, but I would say the one guy, and he kind of changed our season, was a guy named Trey Wade.
And he was a guy that just kind of stuck with it. And we had some other more offensively talented players, but as soon as we added him in the lineup,

our team took off. We made an elite eight.

Beat Gonzaga, who was number one at the

time. And

Trey Wade was the grittiest guy.

He was 6'5", 6'6".

He ended up guarding

Shed Holmgren, did a great job

of doing all the dirty things.

Yeah. I mean, your teams are great tournament teams.
I mean, I loved the Nevada teams. They were so much fun to watch.
I mean, I've told Ruta a bunch, but, like, I would stay up. We were living in New York at the time.
I'd stay up, 11 o'clock tip-off in New York time. Just be like, got to watch Mus' guys.
Got to watch the Martins going crazy, hitting every three. Super talented team.
Yeah do you how are we feeling about this upcoming season for usc yeah i'm we're like our we had finished our eight-week summer session was unbelievable got great chemistry guys really get along um we lack certain things but we know what areas you know we're uh like at that center spot we don't have a lot of depth so we're going to to play small ball. Those are some of the things that we're trying to figure out.
We've had a lot of injuries, but there are injuries that everybody should heal. But this will be a great experiment.
Like we're going to have to win off grit. We're going to have to win off togetherness.
We're going to have to win off team chemistry. We're going to have to win off having a better locker room than the other team as far as being together.
Because there are going to be some teams that probably have a little bit more talent in certain areas or certain positions. But it's a team that's super fun to coach.
Okay. You guys got a theme for this year or something that you're hammering home to the team? Like, this is going to be your motto moving forward? Yeah, we don't have one yet.
It's interesting you bring that up because we've talked about it. We wanted to go through the summer.
We got a two-week break where we need to come up with a hashtag or a theme. And then we got to be all about it.
It's one thing to put it on a wall or put it on a shirt, but then how do you execute that identity? Yeah, it's got to match up. You got to match up.
You got to spend some time meditating on it. Let it come to you.
Let the universe speak it right into existence. And welcome the big 10 it's tough basketball tough basketball physical league really hard to win on the road in this league and then you think about the travel that usc ucla oregon and washington you know we have to go uh through the the three time zones way more than the other you know they come up to to us once and we got to go there four times.
Yeah. So it's, it's how you manage that is super important.
We've tried to study. We've a couple of weeks ago, we were over with the Rams asking them how they travel.
When do you leave for a Sunday game? If it's an afternoon game, what do you know, what's, what time do you want to arrive at the hotel? Do you try to slate, to sleep change your sleep habits or do you stay the same and so all those things it's going to be like for us quite frankly the first year we're going to be learning on the fly yeah yeah i'm excited though um coach you're the best we're going to finish off we got we guess a number we have a lottery ball machine in our office um so we don't have it here, but we do random number generators. So I want you to

any number from

1 to 100, guess whatever

you want. I'll let you start.

We're all going to guess a number and then we're going to

randomly generate it. Perfect.

So what's your number? 13. 13.

17.

8. I'll go 20.

Memes got 3.

Max. 11.
21. Alright, here we go want to? Memes got 3.
42. Max?

11?

21.

All right, here we go.

PFT, you're watching?

Yep.

48.

48.

So nobody got it. 1-1.

Is that exciting?

I mean, I wish somebody would have won.

Really hard to explain.

That would have been exciting.

Yeah, it would have been.

It's all right.

You got to get better.

Yes.

Yeah, you got to get better.

For sure.

We all got to get better, right? Next time, guess the right number. Okay? No questions.
Yeah, work hard. No excuses, right? Yes, yes.
Alright, well thank you so much, Coach. Thank you guys.
It was awesome. Great day.
Appreciate you having us on. Yes.
Awesome way to start the day. Talking away I don't know what I'm to say.
I'm sage anyway, today is another day to find you. Shine away, I'll be coming for your love again.
Shine away, I'll be coming for your love again grace Take on me

Take me on

I'll be gone

In a day of tears guitar solo Take care. Take on me Take me on

I'll be gone

In a day of time guitar solo Thank you.