Raiders HC Antonio Pierce, The Jaguars Kid Who Got His Head Stuck In A Statue, Hard Knocks, Mt Rushmore of Tough Thing + Grit Questions With USC HC Eric Musselman

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Speaker 1 See Mintmobile.com. On today's part of my take, we have a packed show for the AWLs.
It is grit week day three,

Speaker 1 and we have Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce, one of the grittiest guys out there.

Speaker 1 Great interview with him. We went to USC today to run a basketball practice with head coach Eric Musselman, recurring guest, great guy.

Speaker 1 He is going to be on the pod at the end of the show to answer listener-submitted grit questions.

Speaker 1 We also have a very special interview, probably the only podcast that would do this interview. We ran into

Speaker 1 at the meet and greet the kid, or he's not a kid anymore, the adult who, as a kid, got his head stuck in the Jacksonville Jaguars statue. So

Speaker 1 we did an exclusive with him,

Speaker 1 which was great. We have the Mount Rushmore of Tough Things.
We're going to talk hard knocks.

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Today is Wednesday, August 7th, and football is back. Memes, are you okay? I'm good.
He's crying.

Speaker 5 He's so happy that football is back.

Speaker 1 Listen, we're going to talk about hard knocks in a second. I just want to set the stage.
We are on day three of Grit Week. Grit Week, as Grit Week goes along, the days get longer.

Speaker 1 I feel like today was a thousand years.

Speaker 1 Thursday. Today's Thursday.
We are all kind of running on fumes/slash like weird fights, but fun fights.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what's going on. I don't know.

Speaker 5 Hank wasn't being that fun when he was being a bitch earlier.

Speaker 1 That's a real hibbity dibbity.

Speaker 1 Right, Huey? We found out. Also, we found out that Huey says hibbity dibbity.

Speaker 1 He doesn't?

Speaker 1 What do you mean by said that?

Speaker 1 Oh, I said

Speaker 1 that memes thinks that. Oh, he thinks that he says it.

Speaker 1 He thinks that that should be his catchphrase. Oh, okay.
Can that be your catchphrase? Hibbity-dibbity. Hibbity-dibbity.
All right, there it is.

Speaker 1 He said the words. Yeah.
He did the tweet, the smocking tweet. Hibbity Dibbity.
Say it one more time. Hibbity Dibbity.

Speaker 1 How do you spell that? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think it's spelled. Yeah, and that's above our pay grade.

Speaker 1 But football's back.

Speaker 1 And we are on Grit Week and we're losing our minds, but in a good way.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and we did the clothes thing yesterday. We had Huey and Pug, right? Pug went with with you, so we're wearing our new clothes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got an outcast shirt. I'm getting a lot of street credit.

Speaker 5 Big cat shirt is just awesome. Yeah, but you are wearing like horizontal

Speaker 5 horizontal seersucker shorts, which I've never seen before.

Speaker 1 It's kind of hypnotizing. I didn't even realize till now, one leg is horizontal, one leg is vertical.

Speaker 5 That's your yeah, your shorts are hypnotizing.

Speaker 1 Fuck, kind of cool.

Speaker 1 I've been wearing these shorts all day.

Speaker 5 It's like a magic eye thing for your crotch.

Speaker 1 What the hell?

Speaker 5 Uh, Hank is rocking a Daytona shirt.

Speaker 1 I would just wear this off. Yeah, Hank looks good.
Max,

Speaker 1 Max is wearing something.

Speaker 1 I look good.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What's your own by fit? Well, you're wearing a tank top.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well,

Speaker 1 Brian Callie.

Speaker 5 You look like the owner of the shittiest bar in Mexico.

Speaker 1 I think the boys look great. I think the boys look pretty good today.
But yeah, crit week.

Speaker 1 We're doing the damn thing. So we went, we watched Hard Knocks.
Shout out Corby and Susanna. Great AWLs.
They opened up their home to us. They made Buffalo Wings.

Speaker 5 And Rosie.

Speaker 1 Rosie, the beautiful dog. I wanted to be the one to shout out, Rosie.
No, the dog actually did growl at one person, and one person only matched it. Didn't grow.
Did not grow. It was a growl.

Speaker 1 Not even a slight growl. It was a growl.
It was a little. I saw it outstanding.
It was a little hesitant. There was no growl.
It was not. Not hesitant towards any of us.

Speaker 1 She wasn't hesitant to make it.

Speaker 7 She was hesitant. You guys suck.

Speaker 5 Okay, she rubbed up against my leg.

Speaker 1 I have dog hairs on my leg. But we did it all.

Speaker 1 We had a great meet and greet in Long Beach. Tons of AWLs came out.
We met the kid whose head got stuck in the Jaguar statue, which we have him on the show later on.

Speaker 5 Shout out to the guy that just brought me a football. He just came up to us.
He goes, APFT, I brought you a football and handed it to me. That's the nicest thing anyone's ever given.

Speaker 5 This is the nicest present of all time. Yeah.
Because then you get to just have a football and toss it around.

Speaker 1 Hank called the AWLs soft as fuck because they didn't give him any drugs. I didn't say soft.
I didn't say soft. That's not what I said.

Speaker 1 I was just, the last three or four meet and greets, we've walked away with like a lot of weed. It's so crowned.
The entire side.

Speaker 1 I was surprised that in California, of all places, that it didn't happen, but I don't, I wouldn't have taken it anyway.

Speaker 5 You don't like them. That's fine.
I love them. They were awesome.
Everybody was super cool today.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so we had a great day, and we finished it with hard knocks at Corby and Susanna's house. What are you going to say, Hannah? I'll say

Speaker 1 you probably will before the interview, but quickly, since I'm sure there's many, many people who will not understand the

Speaker 1 Jaguars kid, because even our own producers were like, I don't even know what they're talking about.

Speaker 1 That's fair. There's a famous picture from 1997.

Speaker 1 No, this was

Speaker 1 the NFL world. The NFL world, 1997.
I knew it. I knew it.
There's a famous picture of a nine-year-old who put his head inside the Jacksonville Jaguar, outside the Jaguar Stadium.

Speaker 1 He put his head in the statue's, the Jaguar's mouth, and he got his head stuck in the Jaguar. And there's a picture of this little kid with his head stuck in the Jaguar.

Speaker 1 And it's like the fire department had to come. He's going to tell the whole story.
I get to the bar today.

Speaker 1 This guy comes up to me. He's like, hey, you've talked about me a lot, but you don't know who I am.
And I was like, all right, this is weird. I'm skeptical.
And he's like, I'm the guy,

Speaker 1 kid, who got his head stuck in the Jaguar. And I was like, shut the fuck up.
And he showed me his ID. I then looked at all the articles about it, matched up.

Speaker 1 Age matched up everything.

Speaker 1 I used to post a picture every time the Jaguar is lost in my blogs. And

Speaker 1 listen, if Hank hates this interview, PFT, I thought it was fun.

Speaker 1 I thought it was a fun wrinkle. I don't think that Hank appreciates the lore behind Jaguars Kids.
No, you hate the interview. It's fine.
It's a 10-minute interview. It's a funny story.

Speaker 5 The guy even said

Speaker 1 ESPN and meeting and greeting while you guys were in the game. He said the ESPN and the Jaguars have reached out to him to try to get him to do an interview.
And he's like, I saved it for PMT.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 1 Big cat, I was standing next to him. As we started, you know, we're doing pictures, and every maybe first or like second or third picture, he'd be just like, I can't believe he's here.

Speaker 1 He couldn't.

Speaker 5 Well, Jaguars kid is a big deal, Hank.

Speaker 5 This kid is

Speaker 1 a Jaguar.

Speaker 5 I would say that the first things that come to mind with Jaguars, it's Blake Bortles and then probably Blake Bortles again, and then distant third Jaguars kid. Yeah.
Also Urban Meyer. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so that's the, we got a shitload for everyone, but we should talk hard knocks,

Speaker 1 which is great.

Speaker 5 I loved hard knocks. It was a good, good first episode.
I don't think that you did like it.

Speaker 1 I thought you didn't like it. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 Because Big Cat went through some emotional swings during the episode.

Speaker 1 I understand the storytelling HBO has to do. I thought they were pretty heavy on the bad Caleb Williams highlights to start, but then they turned around.

Speaker 1 And I will say right now, just watching it, I mean, Caleb Williams has aura.

Speaker 1 He's also got a fucking fat ass, which is good because that's the power to drive the football down the field.

Speaker 5 I made a couple notes during it, just right off the top, because Big Cat did get upset with how they showed his

Speaker 1 bad passes. And I was like, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 In the first five minutes, they did a montage of some silky, silky spirals.

Speaker 1 And great passes. It was a lot of bad passes.
The first pass was great. Yeah, and then it was bad passes.
Then they showed some good ones. I understand.
They're doing storytelling.

Speaker 1 I just, you know, and they also did the whole pun, like, oh, everyone can take the L, but they want W's. Uh-huh.

Speaker 5 So I made a couple notes here just of Big Cat's initial thoughts behind it.

Speaker 5 First thing Big Cat said.

Speaker 1 Wait, whoa, you were recording me when we were just watching?

Speaker 8 I made two notes.

Speaker 5 Two things that you said.

Speaker 5 You can tell me if they're false. Okay.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're probably true.

Speaker 5 All right. First, Big Cat thought that they were calling Caleb Williams gay when Iber Flu said the word grinder.
They would say cut the game.

Speaker 1 They were a suspect cut. I'm just, listen.

Speaker 1 Everyone shits on the Bears. Everyone outside of Chicago is saying that Caleb Williams is going to be a monumental bust.
I have my defenses up. I don't think that's a good question.
A lot of people.

Speaker 1 Okay, a lot of people. Everyone.
All right. Sorry, I saw, Oh, we never speak in hyperboles here.

Speaker 1 A lot of people are hoping for Caleb Williams to be a bust and wishing for Caleb Williams to be a bust, including Hank.

Speaker 1 I have my.

Speaker 1 Hank's going to bet on it. I have my guard up.
You guys do the same thing with your team.

Speaker 1 All right. All right.
You do the same thing with your team.

Speaker 5 So that was the first one. So after the gay thing.

Speaker 1 I think that's a totally normal thing to have my guard up. I'm trying to defend my guy.

Speaker 1 I'm watching out for negative things.

Speaker 1 Hank, you went to jail for Tom Brady. Yeah, I know.
You had your guard up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right.

Speaker 1 Okay, so after. If I got my guard up.

Speaker 5 After the gay thing, next thing was he was stretching, and the big cat says, Caleb Williams has a nice ass.

Speaker 1 He does. Yeah.
He's got a fat ass. You've never made a sexual comment?

Speaker 5 No, I'm just saying. You said he had a nice ass.
He does.

Speaker 1 He's got a powerful ass. I want my quarterback to have a big ass.

Speaker 5 He drives the ball. He's got a good ass.
But I think as it went on, correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 5 I might be psychoanalyzing you a little bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this sounds like you're watching me more than hardware.

Speaker 5 No, no, no, this is from the first 10 minutes. There were only two things.
But I think when they did use your clip, which was awesome at the beginning, when you said 100 out of 100, Kale Williams

Speaker 5 will be the best quarterback in the world.

Speaker 1 And they were playing serious behind it. It was pretty fucking

Speaker 1 Parsons project.

Speaker 5 But then Nick Sabin said, the one thing that gets quarterbacks is expectations.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 5 Is that why you were feeling touchy? Because you feel like you've given him big expectations.

Speaker 1 No, I'm going to say wild shit all the time, just like you, just like Hank. Yeah.
We all say wild shit.

Speaker 1 What? Not you. Not me.
Well, do you want to talk about your gaffe? Yeah, PFT is going to argue on my behalf on that one. Okay.

Speaker 5 Wait, have I just been deputized as his lawyer?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I didn't know. I feel like I was in a safe space in Corby and Susanna's house.
I didn't know I was being watched as closely as I was being watched.

Speaker 1 Well, we talk about things on the show that we understand personally that weren't personal. I get it.

Speaker 1 I know that because i have my guard up right i'm i'm agreeing with you that i'm i'm psychoanalyzing every moment but it's because i've been battered to a point where it's like you know like when you drop your keys and your dog flinches that's what i do when there's any negative thing i flinch i think you might feel the pressure of giving expectations to caleb No, I don't feel the pressure at all.

Speaker 1 I'm going to give expectations to everyone. I did the same thing that Justin Fields.
I did the same thing to Mr. Bisky.
I did the same thing. I go on down the line.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm going to do the same thing for the rest of my life. Caleb Caleb Williams doesn't turn out, the next guy, I'm going to do the same thing.
The next guy, I'm going to do the same thing.

Speaker 1 And round and round and round we go. And then when someone drops the keys or someone closes the door really loud, I'm going to flinch.

Speaker 5 Okay, so Nick Saban.

Speaker 1 Sucks a karaoke, by the way. That's that was I agree.

Speaker 1 I said that. If you want to criticize Caleb Williams about anything, he can't sing.

Speaker 5 Which is fine. Or read.

Speaker 1 What? He

Speaker 1 couldn't even. He wasn't even trying to sing.
This is why I have my defense up. This guy is going to see.

Speaker 1 Everybody in the defense.

Speaker 1 I'm proven correct.

Speaker 5 Everyone thinks he can't read.

Speaker 1 Can't read a defense or a karaoke machine. And I rest my case.

Speaker 1 This was the guy who just two seconds ago said he was an ally. I am.
I am. I am.
This is why I have my guard up.

Speaker 5 Drake May, you think he's good at karaoke? Definitely. I would rather my quarterback stink at karaoke

Speaker 1 to each their own. Okay, what else about Hard Knox?

Speaker 5 Okay, Nick Saban. Yeah.
They brought Nick Saban. Apparently, Matt Eberflues, he has a coach.
Yes. Because Nick Saban is now coaching Matt Eberflues.

Speaker 1 I didn't understand.

Speaker 1 Maybe this was just for cameras. And it is a show.
And that's what, you know, the Caleb Williams, the bad highlights, that I was like, come on, show something good.

Speaker 1 I understand there's telling a story. Did Nick Saban and Matt Eberflues never have that conversation before?

Speaker 1 So I was that made no sense.

Speaker 5 I was wondering that if you're Matt Eberflues, it actually, it's good that they're having this now when they have Caleb, but I feel like they would have had that conversation when he got the job.

Speaker 1 They 100% have had that conversation.

Speaker 1 He's probably had that conversation. Like, he probably talks to Nick Saban every year.
It's kind of like the clip at the end with Jonathan Owens clearly watching a tape recorded Smoke Piles. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Being like, yeah, go. It's like, no,

Speaker 1 she's going for a gold and you're half clapping.

Speaker 1 We know this isn't live. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So Saban gets in. He talks about what can kill a quarterback.
He's giving him advice. And then during that conversation, Max chimes in.

Speaker 5 Max says, Nick Saban not a great track record when developing quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 He's not a great whisper. Yeah, that's what they were just like showing Nick Saban as like this

Speaker 1 wise, like tell-all coach, which he is. But if you were to say one thing about Nick Saban, it's that he's not like a quarterback whisperer.
Right.

Speaker 1 And then Big Cat said trying to think about quarterbacks that he's had. No, but you took that as like a defense against the Bears for some reason.
No. And then Big Cat said.
Oh, yeah, it was. Yeah.

Speaker 1 My guard is up. That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, because you're like, why is this guy telling him about the quarterbacks? And Big Cat's going to be a bit more expensive.

Speaker 1 Listen, I'm going to have my guard up Ailen Hurts. And then I'm not going to apologize for having my guard up.
I want that very clear. Okay.
Notice.

Speaker 1 Memes back me up. You have your guard.
This is why you've had a Florio of the year. You've got to always have your guard up.
Yeah, always have your guard up.

Speaker 1 There's haters like Florio, Hank, and Max.

Speaker 1 When you're a battered franchise, you've got to be looking around every corner being like, there's a shooter.

Speaker 1 What? Max. Max is best.
He said the Jets are going to win the Super Bowl, so I love Max.

Speaker 1 He just kept saying that. I was like, after he told us to do a long shot pick, and I said the Jets.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but he's got his guard up, so he's like, Yeah, guard up, guard up. Hank's cool.

Speaker 1 Anti-Florio of the year.

Speaker 5 No, it's natural to have your guard up, but I said during when we were watching it that this was like Big Cat's version of the Dynasty, the Patriots documentary, where Hank got his guard up to the Patriots, and you're like, give me more football porn.

Speaker 1 I came around after they started showing Caleb good stuff. I understand.
They've got to tell a story. They're like, oh, he's a rookie.
He sucks. I just, I want to see him throw touchdowns.
That's all.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So it's not too much to ask for.

Speaker 5 So, Max, the Jalen Hurts comment when you said Saban, not really quarterback whisperer, and they brought up Hurts.

Speaker 1 I got flustered like I normally do.

Speaker 1 Actually, Corby brought up Hurts. He was like

Speaker 1 a fifth member of PMT. Yep, that was a good job by you.
He was just like, what about Hurts, Max? I got flustered and came up with a bad answer.

Speaker 1 And then PFT was like, all you have to do is say that he got better when he went to Oklahoma. Yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 When he left. That's true.
Yeah. He did.
He did. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I, I, I, listen, Max, I agree that Nick Saban, I think that was just all like, they're like, we want Nick Sabin in this, and we're going to have him do a conversation with Iberflues, a conversation they probably had a million times.

Speaker 1 The main story of this hard knocks is going to be Caleb Williams, so he's going to talk about Caleb Williams. Yes.
That's it. Like, there was no, that whole conversation was like basically for show.

Speaker 1 In my mind, because again, you cannot,

Speaker 1 you can never tell me that Nick Saban and Matt Iberflues have not talked about football every single year. Agreed.
It wasn't the first time they were doing it. And he was like taking fake notes.

Speaker 5 They had a very long montage of Matt Eberfloos getting hot.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, Funk, our guy Funk, he got funked up.
Yeah, I don't know how I still feel about that.

Speaker 1 I would feel better about it.

Speaker 5 He looks better. Because in some of the clips that they showed, feel good, feel good, play good.

Speaker 1 The last point of the seasons, when he was bald-faced and he was like making these goofy, goofy facial gestures yeah or facial expressions um it it made me like rappel in my chair a little bit yeah and then they showed him now and it's like that guy's hot yeah oh i forgot nick saban the the one funny part about nick saban was it's like the best college coach of all time this football genius and he also uses the dumbest argument in all of sports peyton manning threw a ton of interceptions his rookie year which is like there was only one guy who did that yep who threw as many interceptions as peyton manning and then went on to be Peyton Manning.

Speaker 5 The more interceptions you throw as a rookie, statistically, the better you are.

Speaker 1 It's every single person has been using that since Peyton Manning, being like, if your rookie sucks, you're like, well, Peyton Manning sucked.

Speaker 1 And to see Nick Sabin use that same dumb logic was awesome.

Speaker 5 The star of the show was the Canadian offensive lineman that Sangaraoke. Yes.
I think he might actually be deaf. Yeah.
But it wasn't about the singing.

Speaker 5 It was about the Speedo, rocking an American flag Speedo. Yep.
And his buddy in the background clanging the cymbals.

Speaker 5 And that was awesome. But it was like doing a speed run of hard knocks where usually you get

Speaker 5 the very sympathetic, the guy that you root for right off the bat, episode one. You follow him, you root for him, you root for him.
Then he gets cut in like the last episode.

Speaker 5 This time it was like, okay, I'm rooting for this guy because he's fucking hilarious and had the most hilarious Canadian accent.

Speaker 5 And then later on in the episode, he got hurt and he's going to get cut.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure going to get cut. But that guy rocks.
Yeah, he was awesome.

Speaker 5 He's the most American guy that I've ever met.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was cool. He's Canadian.
It was cool when Cale Williams said his signing bonus just because everyone was like, oh, fuck. And he was pointing at Ryan Poles.
The DJ Moore thing was cool.

Speaker 1 He's an awesome guy getting all that money. It was also funny watching Kevin Warren sit there and like read over the numbers at the end.
Being like, yeah, good deal.

Speaker 1 Okay, thanks. It's fair on all sides.
Appreciate that.

Speaker 1 I liked it.

Speaker 1 I liked it. I just want to see

Speaker 1 Caleb Blooms should probably throw more touchdowns, and I'll see more touchdowns. Yeah.
I understand that part of it.

Speaker 5 They did show a lot of his sick throws very early on. Yeah.
When they had the spirals, he had a very fuckable spiral. But yeah, there was the, okay, he's struggling a little bit.

Speaker 1 Do you think he has Aura? I do.

Speaker 5 I don't think that you can argue otherwise. Yeah.
I don't think that's even a question.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the slip and slide was cool. Also, Tyson Bajan is very funny.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Bajin's hilarious. The slip and slide thing was funny because there are two things that a coaching staff can do to train their quarterbacks how to slide.

Speaker 5 And every team does one of these two things. One is a slip and slide.

Speaker 5 The other is call up the professional baseball team in your city and ask them, do you have any pointers on how to slide? Yes.

Speaker 5 But football, you should be able to teach a guy how to slide without consulting a professional about it.

Speaker 1 Oh, breaking moves. We just had an earthquake.

Speaker 1 Did we feel it?

Speaker 1 We just had an earthquake. I've always wanted to feel an earthquake.
5.6.

Speaker 5 Is that what the breaking news is?

Speaker 1 5.6?

Speaker 1 How do we we not feel it? Is that the big one? Pug texted our group chat and was like, the whole hotel was shaking. The RV didn't move.

Speaker 5 This thing is a fucking tank.

Speaker 1 You felt it? I thought it was just like someone shifting on the bus. Oh, fat joke.

Speaker 1 Me, Huey, and Max just locking eyes being like, okay.

Speaker 5 Is it still going?

Speaker 1 No. No.

Speaker 1 We survived our earthquake.

Speaker 1 There could be a

Speaker 1 burst of bursts. It also might have been me yelling about the bears.

Speaker 1 caused a little fluss out first earthquake on the pop.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so we've done a tornado. We've done earthquake.
We've done we've survived.

Speaker 1 I'm kind of pissed that I didn't feel it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, me too.

Speaker 5 What else have we survived?

Speaker 1 Probably tougher than earthquakes?

Speaker 1 If we just didn't even feel it?

Speaker 5 Either that or we have really bad balance naturally, and so we just didn't feel being shifted.

Speaker 1 Bad awareness? Yeah, but I was probably focused on how I fucked up the Jalen Hurts thing. Yeah, also, Max did say that he was hoping that Cale Williams got hurt on the slip and slide.
That's not true.

Speaker 1 That was Hank that said that. Oh, did Hank say that? If he got hurt on the slip and slide.

Speaker 1 Hey, listen, just a little tip for everyone out there. You're not paranoid if everyone's out to get you.

Speaker 1 I agreed, though. I agree that it would have been fun.
That's a fact. Have you guys seen San Andreas?

Speaker 1 What are you guys talking about? San Andreas. You and memes.
Starts with an earthquake, then a tidal wave, then just.

Speaker 5 Does that get hit by a tidal wave?

Speaker 1 Do you think the Earth knows that it's grit weak? I think it would probably need more than 5.6, but yeah, maybe. You think there's a tsunami? Should we go catch a wave? We did.
Surfs up. Go surf up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we did. That video comes out Thursday.
I'm bummed that I didn't feel that earthquake. Insane.

Speaker 5 I know. Like,

Speaker 5 if I didn't feel it and we were just hanging out, then we could at least lie about it. But the fact that we were recording,

Speaker 5 we didn't talk about it, so everyone knows we didn't feel it.

Speaker 1 Do you think the cameras shook?

Speaker 1 That'd be cool. Earthquake cam.
Shake one of those cameras real quick.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, there's the earthquake. Oh, my God.
Oh, shit. What earthquake?

Speaker 5 That feels like I'm going to say a 5.6.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 1 All right. Last thoughts about hard knocks.

Speaker 1 I wish the Bears weren't on hard knocks. That's what I'll say.
It's too early for me to get my blood pressure this high. I don't like that.

Speaker 1 I don't like having, I think I even said during the episode, I was like, how many episodes of this are there? Because I don't. Oh, yeah.
I don't. I'm done watching this show.

Speaker 1 I'm going to have to just.

Speaker 1 But I'm just, I'm like,

Speaker 1 usually August is when I like reserve my energy getting ready for the battles I'm going to go into. And now I feel like I have to fight the battles early.
And it's just, I don't know. Why don't you?

Speaker 1 Buddha Ben just tweeted, whoa, big earthquake, hashtag Los Angeles. Wow.
What are you going to say, Max?

Speaker 7 I would be so excited if my team was on Hartnight.

Speaker 1 You've won something. But it's like

Speaker 1 you've got more football. Yeah, I understand.
Because it's your team. It's the most technical Max.

Speaker 1 You get to be excited. But your team's not a joke.

Speaker 7 No, if the commanders are so excited.

Speaker 1 If they are a joke, I would excitedly love them.

Speaker 1 you think that it's not like you think that everyone's out to get you when because they are i don't think they are yeah you guys were wishing kill williams got hurt on the slip and slide that would someone brought it up like they were getting off of that slip and slide with like no footing at the end of that okay wait wait wait wait wait

Speaker 5 i agree that they were very it made me nervous if it was another team but when you vocalized it i was like he's out to get you okay so so so so if this if this was like the Steelers and we were watching the Steelers hard knocks and Russell Wilson was on a slip and slide because he couldn't slide I wouldn't give a fuck and and you said like I wouldn't give a fuck someone said it'd be very funny like just hilarious though not like wishing bad will but objectively speaking it would be funny if he got hurt on the slip and slide they brought in no that wouldn't

Speaker 1 wait yeah they wouldn't know that shit PFT if it was the commanders on the hard knocks and someone said that you would have the same reaction you'd be like shut up no that's not what I'm saying I'm saying saying, if somebody said that, you would agree.

Speaker 5 Yes, objectively, it would be funny.

Speaker 8 No shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right. If it happened, I agree.

Speaker 5 I don't know if it happened to Jaden if I'd be this upset.

Speaker 1 Yes, you would. Okay.
You'd react the same way. That's why I...
I'd be upset. I'd be upset.
Yes, Max would be upset. Max would be upset.
Maybe you'd be upset. We all react the same way.

Speaker 1 It's just that this is why I don't, I wish I wasn't on hard knocks. You can't,

Speaker 1 PFT, don't pretend that you wouldn't be upset if it was Jaden Daniels. It's he comes up a little gimpy or something.
You're like, oh, it would be a shit. You'd be like, shut up.
Don't say that.

Speaker 5 I would say, shut up, don't say that. Yeah, if he got up gimpy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It would be the same thing.

Speaker 1 And if it was a team that wasn't my team, I would have no problem. That's how all of us react.

Speaker 5 Guards up.

Speaker 1 But that's how everyone reacts to fandom. Yeah, but their team, they defend.

Speaker 1 Everything else is funny. That's how fans work.

Speaker 5 I would love to see just,

Speaker 5 I'm with Max, where it's like, if we get five weeks of extra commanders content, I would be. But again, I'm not in the trenches.

Speaker 1 No, yeah, you're not a man in the arena.

Speaker 1 You're not right there right now.

Speaker 1 I'm going to watch every second.

Speaker 1 I wish I didn't have to have my guard up this early. That's all.
And we're a joke. I don't want to be a joke anymore.
Huey, you understand. You just stopped being a joke.
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 The Lions literally just stopped being a joke.

Speaker 10 But to that point, it was two seasons after hard knocks. True.
The best season ever.

Speaker 1 True. So I have to wait another year? Yeah.
Okay. Next year will be the year.
Okay.

Speaker 1 What are you doing, Hank?

Speaker 1 Hubbardi?

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 So close. So close.

Speaker 1 All right. What else?

Speaker 5 What else? USA basketball wins?

Speaker 1 Yeah, LeBron had quite the moment. Did you guys see that?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, that was funny.

Speaker 1 The French swimmer came into the arena and the arena went crazy. And LeBron thought everyone was cheering for him.
He even put on the crown.

Speaker 5 It's very funny seeing a guy who's been like main character his entire life not be main character and still thinks that he's main character.

Speaker 1 Right. Hank, did Tatum play?

Speaker 5 Yep. How'd Tatum do like compared to Joelle and Bi'd because that's been the big back and forth of who's better?

Speaker 1 No, I mean it's a team game. USA won.
Embiid played well. Tatum played well.
Embiid had a monster game. Monster game.
Only played half. Why?

Speaker 5 Because they were up so big. They tired

Speaker 1 of the starters.

Speaker 1 We now need to win every game by 30. Yeah, I mean, today was domination.
And who do we play next?

Speaker 1 We play Djokic, Serbia.

Speaker 5 Oh, so isn't Beag going to go home for that game?

Speaker 1 No, he's going to fucking dominate.

Speaker 1 But it's not in altitude. Okay, good.

Speaker 5 Wait, how high up is France?

Speaker 1 I don't know, bro.

Speaker 1 I don't know why.

Speaker 5 Max's guards up.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Max's guard's up. I'm shocked.

Speaker 1 Guards up for no.

Speaker 1 The USA basketball

Speaker 1 is just reach, reach city for takes.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 100%. Unless your guys play well, then it then it rocks.
No, it's a complete. Everything we've said has been a reach on USA basketball.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 1 I'm shocked, PFT.

Speaker 1 You would have the same reaction.

Speaker 1 He just had his guards up because we flipped it on him. And then when it flipped up.
Don't compare me.

Speaker 1 But you would have the same reaction, PFT.

Speaker 5 To which thing?

Speaker 1 Guards being up if your team was under the microphone.

Speaker 5 Did I just feel an earthquake?

Speaker 5 Now i'm feeling the phantom quakes

Speaker 5 because i want to feel one

Speaker 1 there you go max shake it shake it uh my guard would probably be a little bit up yeah but i would also be we all have our guards up when our team's under the microscope i'd be excited i'd be excited about having the team i am excited but guards up always got to get your guards up hank's got his guards up anytime we bring up tatum

Speaker 1 He's ready to go. No, when you win a championship, it's like, who cares? No, that hurts.
Yeah, that's hurt.

Speaker 1 He's right. No, he's right about that.

Speaker 1 you're actually absolutely right you're absolutely right about that uh okay what anything else in olympics happen snoop dogs getting paid half a million dollars just to hang out that's pretty sweet yeah a day uh i was gonna say i think he's made like ten million dollars it's crazy crazy it's good money mondo deplantis pole vaulting record that was a big story we met him in lsu

Speaker 1 six years ago we met that guy yeah i met him at a tailgate we were at a tailgate together i i was like separate i met him hung out with him Like, we went to a different tailgate.

Speaker 1 I was with him for a few hours. Just an I just thought he was a normal student.
Like, we just had a good time. He was a normal student.
Had a good time, was with his friends.

Speaker 1 And then he followed me on Instagram. After I remembered his name, I clicked his name and he had like a hundred thousand followers.
Like, oh, track and field star. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then he went on to break the world record. And then this, he won the gold medal in Tokyo.
Then he broke his own world record and won the gold medal yesterday.

Speaker 1 And like the celebration with his girlfriend went viral. He was like the talk of the Olympics yesterday, which is very cool.

Speaker 5 Does that mean he's got a small dick, though?

Speaker 1 It might.

Speaker 1 That's fine.

Speaker 5 Gold medalist, world record.

Speaker 1 Yeah, model girlfriend. Who cares?

Speaker 5 Yeah, no one cares. He's fine.
So, Hank, was it after you met him that we did the Mount Rushmore of Olympic sports that you think you could dominate at if you trained? That was after.

Speaker 5 And Hank selected pole vaulting?

Speaker 1 Was he bigger than you?

Speaker 1 He's.

Speaker 1 Oh, you think I'm going to be able to do that?

Speaker 1 No, I mean, he's an athletic freak, but he's probably. I don't know.
He might be like 5, 10, or 6. Well, he can't be that big of an athletic freak.
He needs a pole.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we had to run fast as fuck.

Speaker 5 Did he respond to you when you selected pole vaulting?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's like, you're the dumbest person of all time. I almost filmed a video with him.
The timing didn't work out. But if he didn't.

Speaker 1 I would have had it all time.

Speaker 1 If I had been able to execute my vision, it was going to be me

Speaker 1 doing the running and then cutting to him in the same outfit. so it looked like it was me.

Speaker 5 Okay, that's a good vision.

Speaker 1 It would have been great, yeah. Uh, but yeah, shout out to Mondo, Mando.

Speaker 5 Oh, we buried the lead at the start of the show. Congratulations to the Chicago White Sox.
Oh, yeah, they won. They won a game, they beat the Oakland Athletics today.

Speaker 1 So, 21 games in a row snapped. Yeah.
Also, did you guys see today that Schefter was doing a weird thing?

Speaker 1 He was, uh, it was very smart of him, he was just tweeting out depth charts for the first preseason game just to get like the interactions were crazy because it was like JJ McCarthy's the second second quarterback yeah Bo Nix I think was the third quarterback mm-hmm I see you Shefty that that plays although I think Russell Wilson was QB1 oh so does that mean he's actually QB2

Speaker 1 I think so are we they said fields was starting we're doing Terrence Howard math right now I don't know but it was was that I saw he had a flurry of them and I was like because I have alerts on for Shefty and each one that came in I was like these are going going to do numbers because it's basically like this first round pick is the second quarter, which doesn't mean anything,

Speaker 1 but it just gives fodder for everyone.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Listen, we all, we need content this time of year.
Correct. We need stuff to argue about.
Correct. Just give us a list.

Speaker 1 That's all.

Speaker 5 People say that all guys need to do is sit around naming names, and that's fine. We do that sometimes.

Speaker 5 But if you give us those random names in any sort of an order, That's when our blood really gets up. Yes.
That's when we have fun. That's a fact.

Speaker 1 All right. Anything else before we do Hot C, Cool throne and then get to the rest of the show? It's been a great day.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I can't believe we played basketball this morning. I can't.
Everything. Hot seat, cool throne.

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Speaker 1 Hank, hot seat cultural. My hot seat, unfortunately, guards up the Patriots.

Speaker 5 Oh, I had them too on my hot seat.

Speaker 1 Brandon Ayuk,

Speaker 1 rumors were hustling and bustling. It seemed like we were going to pick up a stud wide receiver, number one wide receiver, for a new quarterback.
And then the

Speaker 1 report came out on Monday that said it was basically two deals were in place, one with the Browns, one with the Patriots, and it was just going to be up to the 49ers, or I guess Ayuk, to decide.

Speaker 1 This whole thing makes no sense. And then a report came out today, which isn't official, that it's going to happen with the Steelers.

Speaker 1 McCaffrey, Christian McCaffrey, was in an interview called Ayuka's former teammate, which

Speaker 1 basically means

Speaker 1 everyone knows he's gone. I just don't know where he's going, but apparently it's not the Patriots.

Speaker 5 And Kyle Shanahan said something along the lines of it's hard to get better as a team when you lose a great player.

Speaker 1 Right. So I just don't know how the details aren't confirmed or out, but

Speaker 1 I was hoping it was going to be the Patriots and it's not. Yeah, so

Speaker 1 I think it means he doesn't want to come here.

Speaker 5 That's what it means.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 5 what happened was the Patriots, when the word got out there that things fell apart, they issued a statement being like, we're full steam ahead and we love the guys we have, so we're no longer going to pursue that.

Speaker 5 Then word came out that Brandon Ayuk did not want to go to the Patriots. So it sucks for you, Hank.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 I don't understand.

Speaker 1 We quit. Brandon Ayuk has even doing the whole training camp, even though...

Speaker 1 He's like, I don't want to be here and I want to be traded, but also I haven't agreed to a trade, but you guys have agreed to a trade?

Speaker 5 I don't think he's done that. But it's like very similar to what Debo did a couple years ago.
Yeah. But then Debo got the deal done.
So you probably thought maybe this is going to happen.

Speaker 5 Get the deal done, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 So now he's either going to be a Steeler or a Brown.

Speaker 1 Huh.

Speaker 1 Steeler would rock.

Speaker 5 It'd be very un-Steelers-like, wouldn't it?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 5 Like, make a deal like this in the middle of a training camp for a wide receiver.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, they also, yeah, they just draft great wide receivers. Yeah.
They never need a trade for them. Okay, good hot seat.

Speaker 1 My cool throwing is the market. We're good.
False alarm the other day. Oh, no worries.
Because you told us the world was ending.

Speaker 5 Well, did you? Oh, you said World War III.

Speaker 1 Oh, you said World War III. I said Black Monday, but it was more of like a light gray.
It was chill. Well,

Speaker 5 what happened was, Hank.

Speaker 5 Hank, as an economist yourself, I have no idea how you didn't pick up on this. It was bad on Monday, but then Black Monday ended, and now it's fine because it's no longer Black Monday.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 I got to do some more research into Japan, but I think it's all Japan's got to plays a big, plays a big role. They fucked this up, I think.
But now they're like, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know what to do. Print more money.

Speaker 1 No, I think that's the issue.

Speaker 1 But not if you print more money.

Speaker 1 No, that's bad. No, but if you...
Okay, so if you're out. This would happen to...
Right, but just keep printing money.

Speaker 1 I had a threat on a country about this the other day.

Speaker 5 No. Oh, which country was it? This is either Chile or Argentina.

Speaker 1 They just kept on printing money? Yeah, they were

Speaker 1 a booming economy in the 30s. But that's the problem.
I think it was Argentina. I think you're probably thinking of Germany, but anyway.

Speaker 5 In Germany, they had to carry cash around in wheelbarrows.

Speaker 1 But see, my theory is that they just didn't, they stopped. You got to go through the wall.
So like when you're like, oh, we printed so much money that it doesn't, like, it's not worth anything.

Speaker 1 That's when you print even more money. Right.
You can't quit printing money. You got to be committed to printing the money.

Speaker 5 And then when people are like, you've printed too much money, then you have to print more money than you originally printed.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 5 If you print twice as much money as you did the time before, then you're good. Right.

Speaker 1 You just have to be committed. It's almost like you're just not committed all the way to the process.
The process is printing money, and the minute you stop printing the money, it ends.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Listen, any of our econ takes that are incorrect, blame Hank Lockwood because he hasn't taught us anything.

Speaker 1 It's true. Yeah.

Speaker 5 We need that lesson.

Speaker 1 Also, Rough and Rowdy. Yeah, that was my Cool Terron.
Okay, never mind. I'll talk about Rough and Rowdy Cool Terran.
Done. All right, PFT, your hot seat?

Speaker 5 Hank stole my hot seat with the New England Patriots, but that's fine. So I'll just think of something else that I said.
Oh, hot seat, Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 5 No, hot seat is people in Arizona's teeth because the Cardinals just released a new dessert that they're selling at the stadium, which I'm convinced that teams do this just to get impressions on social media.

Speaker 5 I don't think that many people actually order them, but they're looking for the the next like epic meal that is sold at a stadium. Right.

Speaker 5 And so they released a candy, was it cotton candy stuffed burrito where it was like just filling, it was filled with all these different sugary cereals. And nobody's actually going to eat that, right?

Speaker 5 No one's going to order it. It's just something that you want to order.
Take a picture. Actually, that's a good idea for a restaurant, boys.

Speaker 5 We should do

Speaker 5 the most Instagrammable food, but it's disgusting, but it looks awesome. People come in and they buy it, take a picture of it, and then throw it away.
Yeah. Or give it back to us.

Speaker 5 They rent the food to take the picture, give it back to us, then we sell it, we rent it to the next person.

Speaker 1 Remember, early part of my take, we had the idea we were going to create a fake team and then create fake menus to then try to dupe Darren Revelle and it was going to be like a shit in a Frito. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then I created the account and we said it was going to be like the Montana Black Bears or something. Yeah.
But I did

Speaker 1 Montana's state code is MN. MT.

Speaker 5 And you did MN for Missouri.

Speaker 1 No, I did M-O for Missouri. For Missouri, and then I just quit.

Speaker 5 It was a good idea. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that was the whole story. Huey, maybe that's something for you.
You ever shit in a Frito?

Speaker 1 No. Okay, I haven't.
No, I haven't. Possibly.
But would you?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Have you shit in any type of chip?

Speaker 10 Not to my knowledge.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 11 Where's the weirdest place you pooped?

Speaker 11 Um.

Speaker 1 I I got got I got nothing. That would have been awesome if you just dropped like my ex-girlfriend's face.

Speaker 5 Or if it was like a a bag of candy.

Speaker 1 Never chip. Yeah.
In my hand. Okay, your cool throne.

Speaker 5 My cool throne is internet debates. Because there was a take.
I think Draymond Green put this out there.

Speaker 5 He said that the 1992 dream team, the original dream team, did he say that they would spank the current one?

Speaker 1 Oh, I don't know. I didn't see this.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Yeah, I think he said that? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 How can you say that if you're a current NBA player? Well, he's a throwback.

Speaker 5 Yeah, because he sees himself as being like Dennis Rodman.

Speaker 1 Right. He's a jump shot guy.
Born in the wrong error.

Speaker 5 I think that's true. I think that the original dream.
You don't think so, Ag?

Speaker 1 No. Modern game, more shooting.
Like, if it was, if you literally just took them in a time machine and dropped them in 2024, the 2024 team would smoke them. I don't know, smoke.

Speaker 1 I disagree about smoke.

Speaker 1 Smoke is not the right word. Same players and

Speaker 1 the same type of style. Smoke's not the right word.

Speaker 1 Smoke's not the right word.

Speaker 5 They went on a 46-1 run at one point. Smoke's not the right word.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the other countries didn't start playing basketball until after that. You've heard of Arvita Sabonis.

Speaker 5 Also, I fucked it up. He said, quite frankly, I'm taking the 2024 dream team

Speaker 5 seven days a week.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. You can't be a current activist.

Speaker 1 I got a better dumb debate, man.

Speaker 1 I got a better dumb internet debate for you. Ready for this?

Speaker 1 Maggie Gray, who hosts a show with our friend McLovin Perlin.

Speaker 1 This is valid.

Speaker 1 She had the take, can you really brag about being the fastest person on earth if you win a race by 0.005 seconds?

Speaker 5 So when you win a race by 0.005 seconds, does that mean that the person that you beat by 0.005 seconds is slower than you?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 5 Okay, then no, she's wrong.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. I don't understand the argument.
Yes, you can brag. You won the Olympic gold for fastest person.

Speaker 1 But by how much?

Speaker 1 But you won.

Speaker 1 How did you win? By how much? But you won. It doesn't matter how much.

Speaker 5 I think a better debate off that would be: can you really brag about being the fastest man alive if you win the 100-meter dash? Because who decided that was the fastest man alive?

Speaker 5 Yeah, true. Why not 40-meter dash?

Speaker 5 Why not the combine?

Speaker 1 Why not five-meter dash? Yeah. Get off.
But yeah, I think Noah Lyles can, if you win the gold medal, you won the gold medal.

Speaker 1 Didn't he set a world record too? No. No, no, that's Usain Bolt.

Speaker 5 Oh, that's right. He can brag about being the fastest person to ever live.
It's ever a little bit more.

Speaker 1 Which is pretty cool. All right.
My hot seat is Kyle Kuzma.

Speaker 1 I follow this account called NBA Alerts, which is very funny.

Speaker 1 The Celtics are.

Speaker 1 Uh-oh. So this was Kyle Kuzma this morning.
5:14 a.m. Pacific time.

Speaker 1 NBA Alerts tweeted: Kyle Kuzma is now following Ms. Thick Overload.
Oh,

Speaker 1 and then

Speaker 1 7:22 a.m. Kyle Kuzma is no longer following Ms.
Thick Overload.

Speaker 1 How long was that? It was about two hours.

Speaker 5 He lasted pretty long.

Speaker 1 I clicked on Ms. Thick Overload.

Speaker 1 It's just straight porn. Oh, just straight up porn.
Yep, there it is. All right, first, first, first tweet.

Speaker 5 My pussy said hi.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it did.

Speaker 1 Hi back.

Speaker 1 That's a brutal one, though, to have that. And that's also way too early in the morning to be that horny.
Well, we're on the West Coast. But even still, if it's 8 a.m., yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's 8 a.m. to be following Ms.
Thick Overload.

Speaker 5 I might give her a toss her follow here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'll tweet. PFT Commenter is now following Ms.
Thick Overload.

Speaker 5 I'm following her just so that I know what my favorite players are doing

Speaker 5 in their free time. Yes.

Speaker 1 And then my cool throne is Rough and Rowdy. This Friday, Rough and Rowdy, we're going to Wheeling, West Virginia.
We have a retirement match between our guy Mikey Betts and the Abel brothers.

Speaker 1 He's fighting on behalf of Frank the Tank. It's going to be awesome.
I'll be there. I think Nick Tarani is going to be filling in for Caleb.
He's from Wheeling.

Speaker 1 Roan, Dave, Robbie, Large, all the crew. So get excited.
We're going to be doing Rough and Rowdy Friday night. It's an awesome card doing the anthem.
BuyRNR.com. Go buyRNR.com right now.
Huey.

Speaker 1 My hot seat is the Utah Jazz.

Speaker 10 Oh. They just gave Lori Marketing a five-year, $200-plus million-dollar contract, but the kicker, he can only be traded on the exact trade deadline date.
What? So he can't be traded for six months.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's part of the cut. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that wasn't specific to his contract. No, yeah.

Speaker 10 But the only date he can be traded is on the trade deadline. It just happens to fall on that day.

Speaker 10 So if they don't trade him then, then they're potluck committed to him for a whole other year and for at least until another season. So a calendar year, Lori Marketen's going to be

Speaker 10 a near $50 million guy for the Utah Jets.

Speaker 1 He's a very good player.

Speaker 5 He's a very good player. Shout out Lori.

Speaker 1 He's not worth that much money. How much would you pay him? I'd pay him $35.

Speaker 1 Okay. So you think Danny Ainge

Speaker 10 doing too much. Okay.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 you overpaid him by $20 million.

Speaker 1 He's not on your team anymore. QE Analytics.
Yeah. I mean, that's just

Speaker 1 two recurring guests.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Laurie was on the show.

Speaker 1 He's a rich man who's going to be an all-NBA player one day. Yeah.
So why wouldn't you pay him? All right. I shouldn't have said all NBA.
Yeah. All-star.

Speaker 1 I was about to dump in a little bit about that. But also, he'll be a back-to-back all-star again.

Speaker 1 I feel good about that.

Speaker 10 I think it'll be fine. Teams wanted to trade for him.
Now they can't. So that kind of closes the Utah Jazz a little bit.

Speaker 1 The trade deadline thing is interesting. That's kind of a weird.
But if you're the only one day, yes.

Speaker 5 But if you're the Utah Jazz, you think this year you might be like, man, if we had those extra $15 million, we could win a championship.

Speaker 10 No, but

Speaker 10 what you're going to now do is have to... You're essentially saying that this is...

Speaker 10 We want to trade him, but we also can only trade him for one day in the next $365. So if we don't trade him today or that one day, then he's ours.

Speaker 10 But we are paying him in a way to where we could trade him.

Speaker 8 That would kind of rock.

Speaker 1 That's an exciting day everyone.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that would kind of rock if it was like that with every player.

Speaker 1 Like, you have 24 hours to trade, and then you can't do shit.

Speaker 5 You just have to live. It's called consequences of your own actions.
You have to live with him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Well, and there could be, God forbid, some tampering a few days before.

Speaker 1 I don't think that would happen.

Speaker 1 The NBA is not known for that, so I wouldn't think that. Okay.
My cool throne, Pit Bull.

Speaker 1 Yes,

Speaker 1 Dale.

Speaker 5 Buying the FIU stadium for $1.2 million a year.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 10 Or to put his name on it.

Speaker 7 So it's the Pit Bull Stadium.

Speaker 1 You guys are so distracting. Hank and memes.
Sorry. What are you guys doing? Trying to say podcasts.

Speaker 1 What are you guys doing? He's looking up, I don't know.

Speaker 1 You have to share with the classes. Talking about school lunches.
What is going on? Memes is, I don't know. Huey was talking about Pit Bull.
What's going on, memes?

Speaker 1 Hank almost just pressed retweet from the part of my take account that said, sorry, but I will never understand people being against free meals for kids in school.

Speaker 1 I do not give a shit if families who can't afford lunch, lunch, can't free lunch, feed the fucking kids.

Speaker 1 You were doing it. You were doing it.
I was just trying to hit retweet on something. That was a tweet.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 1 I should have mentioned the, what's his name? Tim, what's his name? Tim Walls. Tim Walls, football guy.
Football guy. Ran a 4-4.
Not political, football guy.

Speaker 5 Ran a 4-4 defense. I don't know if that plays at all levels, but it played in Minnesota Heights.

Speaker 1 Took them from like an 0-17 to three state titles. Three state titles?

Speaker 5 At least one. I don't know how many won.

Speaker 1 We haven't had a football coach or like a football guy.

Speaker 1 Who would be the last one? Gerald Ford. Gerald Ford.

Speaker 5 Gerald Ford would be the last one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is he the only president that was never elected?

Speaker 5 That's a good question. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think he was. Washington?

Speaker 5 Was he George? I think he won the first election. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. That's what democracy was built on.
Lynn. No, Andrew Johnson.

Speaker 1 Andrew Johnson is the one?

Speaker 5 Right? Because

Speaker 5 he took over for Lincoln, might have killed Lincoln. And then he got impeached.
And then I think he said, fuck you guys, I'm out.

Speaker 1 Gerald Ford did not get elected. Iguadala.
Yeah, he took over for Richard Nixon, and that was it. Yeah, but Joey Ford,

Speaker 1 Joey Ford, all time. What is going on over here? Hank is on his demon time.
He's just like,

Speaker 1 what is going on? I know. I got ADD.
I'm made ADD. What did you say? Iguadala.
Oh, wait, wait. So,

Speaker 1 wait, what Iguadala? I don't know. President.

Speaker 1 You're just saying Iguadala?

Speaker 1 He's a president of the Players Association. Oh,

Speaker 1 Andrew Johnson did not?

Speaker 5 I don't think so.

Speaker 1 He was.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, no, Andrew Johnson didn't as well because he took over for like yeah. Oh, no, Andrew Johnson.

Speaker 1 When was the election?

Speaker 1 He was president for four years.

Speaker 7 Oh, it's a little history. So he might have been elected then.

Speaker 1 He might have been elected.

Speaker 5 Sounds like he was.

Speaker 1 Presidency,

Speaker 1 Lincoln and Johnson. Okay.

Speaker 1 No, he might not have been. You might be right.
So, Gerald Ford, and how do we get here? Oh, Gerald Ford's the last football guy. Mm-hmm.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Iguadala?

Speaker 1 Football guy.

Speaker 1 He's not even.

Speaker 1 He says something. I know.
I just walks away.

Speaker 1 And then just goes back on his phone. He's the acting executive director.

Speaker 5 Is in the National Football League?

Speaker 1 Basketball. Okay.

Speaker 5 So, not a football guy.

Speaker 1 No. Okay.

Speaker 1 Glad we got to the bottom. And not a president.
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Acting executive director. Apologies.
All right.

Speaker 1 Pitbull.

Speaker 5 Acting executive director would be a good name for John Wilkes booth, too.

Speaker 1 Pitbull's got a stadium.

Speaker 10 Yeah, Pitbull put his name on a stadium in Florida.

Speaker 5 So it's called the Pitbull Stadium?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be the Dalled Dome.

Speaker 5 Mike Vick's going to go there all the time with that name.

Speaker 10 So I think this opens up the door now.

Speaker 1 I think this opens up the door. There's so much ink.

Speaker 1 You're just,

Speaker 1 your brain is gone. That'd be a great name.

Speaker 1 For the ballad dome.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 10 But I think this opens up a world for celebrities now to start saying, you know, what school can we get our name on? What stadium? Because 1.2 per year is not nothing.

Speaker 1 But it is FIU. We almost did Mercedes-Benz.
Yeah, Barcelona Sports. We also almost did Buffalo.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. That would rock if just celebrities did it and they just named it after themselves for a year.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I got, when that was going on, I was big into naming rights.
I wanted to do like naming rights for like people's man cave,

Speaker 1 which would be sick. If I just had like a if you show me a sick man cave and I just pay you like a thousand bucks to make it my man cave

Speaker 1 would be cool, right?

Speaker 5 But you're right, like $1.2 million for

Speaker 5 a mid-level school

Speaker 5 is not a bad deal at all.

Speaker 10 And it's one year, but still, yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but you get one year of having your name on the side of a giant stadium.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That'd be cool.
Really a good deal.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, compared to what about the Miss Thick Overload dome?

Speaker 1 Followed by PFT.

Speaker 5 You're followed by PFT.

Speaker 5 How much would that cost? What's a good, like,

Speaker 1 2.4. 2.4? 2.4.
The price goes up when it's mapped down. I mean,

Speaker 1 it's going to be a little inappropriate.

Speaker 5 Well, I didn't tell you the school.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 school? Yeah. All right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 BYU. PYU.

Speaker 1 Three. Three.
Okay. Done.
Three. Done.
Yeah. Ms.
ThickOverload Stadium.

Speaker 5 No, Dome. It's got to be.

Speaker 9 Dome. It's got to be.

Speaker 1 It's got to be the Dome. It's got to be a Dome.

Speaker 5 Also, on Twitter, she is ThickOverloadENT.

Speaker 5 Is she a doctor?

Speaker 1 Entertainment. Oh, okay.
Oh,

Speaker 1 you are. I've been around the porn game once or twice.

Speaker 1 You are a porn guy.

Speaker 10 Hey, you don't know how good it tells you try.

Speaker 1 Wait.

Speaker 1 No, I didn't do that. You've been in porn? No, I was just meant to be a little bit more.
You love porn. Okay.
You love that. No, no, no, no.
You addicted to sex? No. No sex problem? No.

Speaker 1 No, not at all. Not one problem.

Speaker 1 Hank, any last words before we get to our Mount Rushmore? You biddy-doobity.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Mount Rushmore time.

Speaker 1 We are sitting in the USC locker room. We're going to have Muss on at the end of the show for some FAQs about grit, which was great.
Just did a workout. Max looks like he threw up on himself.

Speaker 1 That's called sweat.

Speaker 1 That's called

Speaker 1 samurai. You guys were able to shower.
I was setting up for the pod. So

Speaker 1 that could be a tough thing if you were to ask. Yeah.
It is a tough thing. So we're going to do the Mount Rushmore of Tough Things, which feels very open-ended.

Speaker 1 This is one of those ones I really wish I wasn't going first, but I am going first. Yeah.
And we have updated standings. Who won the last one? Hank.
I think Hank did.

Speaker 5 Hank's fully back right now.

Speaker 1 Hank, so yeah, it's 47.

Speaker 1 It's over after this one. 47 Max, 40 me.

Speaker 5 Well, Max already won.

Speaker 1 Hank's 32, and PFT's got 31, so we got a new loser right now.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's okay. It's a long season.

Speaker 1 It's a long season.

Speaker 1 Mount Rushmore of tough things. Anything we want to say before?

Speaker 1 I'm woefully unprepared. I am as well.

Speaker 1 I think I'm prepared. I think I'm prepared.
Okay, I think.

Speaker 1 I would also like to say when we talked about it, when we talked about things you thought you were going to do when you were younger and going pro and basketball, I always thought I was going to play basketball at USC and then go pro.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was your goal?

Speaker 8 This is a dream true.

Speaker 1 This is a dream come true. That's holy shit.
Well, you were right.

Speaker 5 You played basketball at USC.

Speaker 1 Yeah, now I got to go pro today. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't think that

Speaker 1 Muss is going to give us a scholarship. I don't think we were very good.
No. Hustle, though.
Yeah. Yeah.
We tried. A lot of hustle.

Speaker 1 Okay. Mount Rushmore of tough things.
I have the first pick. Yep.

Speaker 5 So it's Big Cat, Hank, Max, me, then back.

Speaker 1 Yes. All right.
I'll go 1-1. I'm going to go a safe one because I don't know where this draft is going to go.
Tough things,

Speaker 1 Navy Seals.

Speaker 1 That was my 1-1.

Speaker 1 Was it? Well, troops. I had a troop seal.
Navy Seals. Toughest.
That has to be like the tip of the spear.

Speaker 1 Tip of the spear. Spear.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Tip of the

Speaker 12 sphere. Sphere.

Speaker 1 Tip of the sphere. Yeah.
I actually don't know. Don't think you eat so many mushrooms at the sphere that you get.

Speaker 5 I don't think that spheres have tips.

Speaker 1 They're tipless. They have heads.
They actually kind of look like, though, a big tit.

Speaker 1 The tit of the sphere. The tit of the sphere.
Yeah, that's put a nipple on the top. James Dolan, that creep.

Speaker 1 Okay. My 1-1, Navy SEALs.

Speaker 1 What do you think, Hank? I think it's a good pick. Oh, okay.
I think it makes me question my own pick. Like I said, I'm not prepared.
I'm going to go childbirth. No, wait, it's not your pick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is. It is.
Oh, it is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Childbirth. Oh, okay.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 That's That's good. That's one of the answers.
That's one of the hardest things anyone could ever do. It's a good answer.

Speaker 1 Heartburn.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Also,

Speaker 1 having a big shit.

Speaker 5 If you give birth and it's a C-section, then you're not pushing anything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they do a lot of, there's a lot of drugs involved.

Speaker 5 Taking the easy way out.

Speaker 1 I respect all. No, just say, I had it on my list.
I had it on my list. Yeah, I had it on my list.
I had it. Being pregnant is also just like the whole process.

Speaker 1 I had pregnant women, but I feel like that's... Yeah.
They're tough. Tough.
They are tough. They have the strength, they could pick up a car.

Speaker 1 I think while they're giving birth,

Speaker 1 same thing. That's women.

Speaker 1 Women can just pick up cars with people. Everyone knows that.
That's good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I kinda like that. That's one of those TikToks that went viral.
Guy tries to pick up a car, kick. Women? Yes.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
I'm going to go first responders.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Tough. Tough.
Tough. Yeah, very tough.
Running, running. Which one is the toughest? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love it. Which one have you had to pick?

Speaker 1 The Marlins man. You made a call.

Speaker 1 Which responder would you hope showed up first?

Speaker 1 I love all responders. I don't want to have alienation.
Wait, all responders matter? You called?

Speaker 1 You called for the first responders and Marlinsman shows up. Are you like, no.
No. He's the first responder.

Speaker 1 Every first responder minus Marlin's man. Are you including reply guys?

Speaker 5 Because reply guys, they're literally first responders.

Speaker 1 Nope. First responders.
First responders. The guy who

Speaker 1 the guy at 3 a.m. who says way to push the button, Max? Is he count? Nah, I'll go Fireman.
I got a buddy. Shout out, Mully.

Speaker 1 Don't like cops. Yeah, he only cops.
FDNY. Hate cops.
Only fans. Cab Max.

Speaker 5 OnlyFans models that have notifications set on for Adam Schefter.

Speaker 5 Then they reply immediately.

Speaker 1 I'm done with the reply guy. I'm not answering anymore.

Speaker 1 Questions?

Speaker 1 On reply guys, first responders. Okay.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 1 PFT.

Speaker 5 I can't believe this fell to me.

Speaker 1 Hockey players.

Speaker 1 Hockey players.

Speaker 1 Hockey tough. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Anyone complain? That's a good question. I'm very good answer.
That's a very good answer. Okay.

Speaker 5 The troops was a good one. I had the troops.

Speaker 1 The troops is my 1-1, yeah.

Speaker 5 So for my second one, I'm going to say

Speaker 5 passing a kidney stone.

Speaker 5 Now, not to belittle Hank's point about childbirth, but when I passed my kidney stone, I was in the hospital, and the nurse told me, she said, I've given birth to three kids.

Speaker 5 Passing a kidney stone is the worst pain I've ever felt in my entire life. Wow.
She said that. Wow.

Speaker 1 That's pretty good.

Speaker 5 But shout out women.

Speaker 1 Shout out women. Shout out women.
Shout out women. We love women.
Yep. They can have kidney stones too.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We love women. My turn, really.
Look at that chick. Look at that chick.

Speaker 1 So my turn. Yeah, I don't know what Hank's doing right now.
He's trying to Googling.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go with strength coaches. Ooh.
Okay. Good one.
It's good. Okay.

Speaker 1 That's a good pick. Yeah.
Ben Herbert was tough. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Very tough.

Speaker 1 Hank?

Speaker 1 I'll stick with the one

Speaker 1 I had in my notepad.

Speaker 1 I'd give anything to see Hank's notepad. It doesn't really follow this theme that we're going with here, so it might hurt.
But

Speaker 1 holding in puke in an Uber or in a bar.

Speaker 1 I like that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 No, actually, Max, you don't like doing that.

Speaker 1 I've seen you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like that as a bad thing. Big that actually did it yesterday.
Yeah, you guys don't even know I puked puked yesterday. Oh, yeah? Yeah.
From what?

Speaker 1 We weren't in an Uber, so you could be like, I'm going to puke and just open the window. But if you're in a car or like you're in an Uber with people and you have to puke, but you can't just do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We went through it.
There's nothing harder. There's nothing tougher.
Yeah. And in the ad, I chugged water as fast as I could.

Speaker 1 And you know, when you chug water, it goes down the wrong side and it just like sits in your chest. Yeah.
So it was just like a quick, I got to get this out of my like chest. Water puke, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, pretty much. But I would have my head out the window.
You're like, hey, we got to pull it real quick. And I laughed.
He's like, no, no, I'm serious.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 5 Are you going to get that like $250 Uber charge?

Speaker 1 No, well, we were in our car. Okay.
Yeah. But I timed it well.
I was just like, I was sitting there like, I think I can handle this. And then I was like, nope, I just got to get it out of my system.

Speaker 1 So yeah, that is, that is tough.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I got two picks.

Speaker 1 I will go

Speaker 1 city of Pittsburgh. City of Pittsburgh.
Tough. Good.
Built on steel. Just that whole city is just tough.

Speaker 1 It's a steel city.

Speaker 5 Fries on the sandwiches.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yinsers, they're just tough.
And then I'll go with one that's a little kind of like Hank. That's a little off the board from my notepad.

Speaker 1 Dealing with Hank when he wakes up in the morning. That's very tough.
Probably tougher than childbirth.

Speaker 1 If you actually have to do it, like...

Speaker 1 Childbirth versus like if you're like, hey, every day you have to just wake up Hank, I'd take childbirth. Shout out to my mom and my sister because growing up.
Toughest, toughest women ever.

Speaker 1 Getting me to school. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I can't even imagine

Speaker 1 just you the first hour of the day is just the one.

Speaker 1 It's the toughest. It tests our friendship every time.
So when we're on the road together, especially, it's just like. I think Hank's getting better in the morning, though.

Speaker 1 I've had two great breakfasts with Hank. Well, that's because he's eating breakfast.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's on his time.

Speaker 5 I've woken Hank up probably like a dozen times in my life, and I'm convinced that the first, first, I don't know, 15 minutes of Hank's life when he wakes up, he's just blacked out.

Speaker 5 He's just still asleep.

Speaker 1 He tried to punch one of us once. Thursday morning is going to be great.
He tried to punch us. Hank, do you have like...
He threw a punch.

Speaker 1 I almost killed one of my friends in sleepover when I was. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Do you have morning amnesia? Do you not remember the first 30 minutes of your day? It's not amnesia, but it's like

Speaker 1 it's bad. It's like, it's like Dr.
Jekyll, Mr. Hyde, where like I'll say and do things.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, oh my God, like that was, that was insane. Like, I was so mad, fired up.
It's like, I've had girlfriends and stuff too, where it's it's like, I just,

Speaker 1 you say stuff you would never say otherwise, and then you're like, why would I

Speaker 1 like, I don't know what happened to me there. I just, it was the first 30 minutes shouldn't count.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Uh, your pick, Hank? I will go

Speaker 1 bomb disposal engineer. Oh, okay.
Jeremy Reuter. Yeah.
Nice, nice. Nice.
That is love that. Huh? It's very good.

Speaker 1 Everyone knows one of those guys. It's very specific.

Speaker 1 Are they good? Are they tough, though? Because uh if you have a bad day as a bomb disposal engineer you're just dead yeah also what is wouldn't the tougher guy be the suicide bomber

Speaker 1 no that's a coward why they're literally blowing themselves up that's tough yeah yeah but they're not they're not sticking around okay okay

Speaker 1 they don't have to deal with their yeah that's true okay bomb disposal wait is that a first responder

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 they're usually

Speaker 1 firefighters like, hey, I think we got a bomb. Yeah.
They call Marlin's man. Those are actually tougher than Marlins.
Yeah, you can say that. Tougher than first responders.

Speaker 1 Because first responders are too scared to respond to that.

Speaker 1 So you hate first responders? No, I'm just

Speaker 1 responding. Well, you hate cops.

Speaker 1 That's not true.

Speaker 1 Cops are in my

Speaker 1 firefighters.

Speaker 1 I have a friend. Shout out Mully.

Speaker 5 What about a tow truck driver? If a tow truck driver gets there before the cops do, is he a first responder?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Stop asking me about the first first responders.

Speaker 5 Okay, well, you have to dive into these questions. All right.

Speaker 1 Nurses or cops?

Speaker 1 I love all first responders. Dr.
Shah. Svorkian?

Speaker 1 Who? I don't know who that is.

Speaker 1 He was the assistant suicide doctor. Oh.
He was just killing people. Okay.

Speaker 1 Is that him?

Speaker 1 I don't think that's a first responder. I'm just asking.
I'm asking you a question. I don't think that's a first responder.

Speaker 1 You're just saying random people and being like, that's a first responder. Like, Pug.
Pug's a first responder. I love Pug.
Pug's a first responder? I don't know.

Speaker 1 You're just saying random people and they're calling them first responders.

Speaker 5 No, that's a doctor. It's in line with what you were saying.

Speaker 1 He's a video podcast guy. Correct.

Speaker 1 He's the first one to click post on the YouTube and the Rumble.

Speaker 5 That's not a responder, though.

Speaker 1 You click the button. I click the podcast button.

Speaker 1 That's one thing that people... Oh, so they got to start saying good push on Pug.
Correct. Damn.

Speaker 1 Every year's someone.

Speaker 1 I'm the one who just brought it up. Wait, but what happens, though? So you're also putting, if it's late, they're going to say bad job, Pug.
Yeah. Yeah.
I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 I don't want our dear pug getting. Yeah, late can be me.
Early can be Pug. Okay.
I like that. What about

Speaker 5 corrupt cops?

Speaker 7 Can we stop with this?

Speaker 1 What about firefighters that are actually also arsonists?

Speaker 1 I don't even.

Speaker 1 There's got to be one of them. Rico Bosco?

Speaker 1 Next pick. Yeah.
Can't believe this lasted fullbacks.

Speaker 1 Good pick. Good pick.
I thought fullbacks was going to be in the first

Speaker 1 round. All right.
I mean, offensive linemen have to play a lot more. Yeah, they have to block a lot more.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Situational. Yeah.
I mean, I'm like more of. Yeah.
I actually won't get into my own strategy. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 5 Good pick, Max.

Speaker 1 Were you going to pick that? Yes.

Speaker 1 Shit.

Speaker 5 Okay, I'm going to go with Ronnie Lott.

Speaker 1 Ronnie Lott.

Speaker 5 Good one. Cut off his finger instead of having it repaired so that he could play football.
He was like, it'd just be easier if you cut it off. I don't need my pinky.
Put me back in. Yep.

Speaker 1 That's a good pick.

Speaker 5 And then my last one is going to be

Speaker 5 going vegan and not telling anybody about it.

Speaker 5 That's good. I think that's impossible.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 That's good. Being a secret vegan without bragging.

Speaker 1 That's tough because, well,

Speaker 1 if you eat with people, it's also. Yeah, yeah.
I just gave you

Speaker 1 a great confidence.

Speaker 5 I think it's actually, I don't think anyone's done it yet. Yeah.
It's like the three-minute mile.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
Good pick.

Speaker 1 I'm going to stick with people. I'm going to go coal miners.

Speaker 1 I kind of got that with the city of Pittsburgh, too.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 how How much coal is being mined these days? There's less, which makes it even tougher. So you're pro-fracking.

Speaker 1 I don't really know what fracking is.

Speaker 1 I personally don't know.

Speaker 1 I know it's bad. I know.
I don't know if I'm pro or anti-fracking. I have no idea.

Speaker 1 I think I'm anti. I don't know.
What do you think about the environment, though?

Speaker 1 I hope I want it to be good. Okay.

Speaker 5 What about like different types of, like, is it just coal?

Speaker 1 Do you believe in global warming? Yes, I think global warming is happening.

Speaker 5 All right, lip of the year not happening in 2024.

Speaker 1 That's on me.

Speaker 1 My pick? Yeah. Just like in the movies, the coal miners look so tough.
I don't know how this fell in the fourth round of it.

Speaker 5 Max loves miners.

Speaker 1 Put that on a quote card.

Speaker 1 Toughest people in the world, cancer patients.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 wow. You son of a bitch.
You asshole.

Speaker 1 You fucking asshole. What's tougher than cancer? No, you're...

Speaker 5 cancer patients.

Speaker 1 No, I'm saying, like, are you pro-cancer? No, I'm saying cancer is the toughest thing you can have to deal with. So, cancer patients are the toughest people in the world because

Speaker 1 including people who get like a mole removed? If it's cancer,

Speaker 1 what about an ingrown toenail? That's pretty tough.

Speaker 1 More stolen valor. It's pretty tough.
I'm just saying.

Speaker 5 Wait, Hank, would you say that we're the toughest people in the world because we have to deal with you and you're a cancer?

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. No, I'm not.
I'm fake cancer.

Speaker 5 Okay, you're benign.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 You are are eight.

Speaker 1 You think I am a cancer. I do not have cancer.
Right. You're the black plague.
I think you're a good guy.

Speaker 1 Okay, my last pick. I got last pick.
I'm going to go because

Speaker 1 this probably will not help me because we don't have a ton of wrestling fans, but I'm going to go with Mankind Mick Foley. Toughest dude ever.

Speaker 1 Fucking going when he got slammed on a bed of tax from Undertaker from the top of the hell in the cell.

Speaker 1 He is literally the toughest. Some of his early days where he's just like wrestling with barbed wire and shit,

Speaker 1 that might have hurt me, but people have told me I look like Strozman,

Speaker 1 but I don't know who that is. That's nice.
You don't know who Mankind is? I think that's the niche pick of all time. Whoa, whoa, that's not.
Hold on.

Speaker 1 That's not a niche pick because people hear your attitude on this show.

Speaker 1 They know.

Speaker 1 Everyone listening right now knows that dealing with Hank is tough. It's you guys, some of my friends, my mom, my sister.
So everyone are the true heroes of that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Max, you don't know who Mankind is?

Speaker 1 I don't really know Rex,

Speaker 1 but people tell tell me that I look like I know the name. I was going to go stone cold, but like my heart, in my heart, I was like, Mankind's tougher.
Mankind's tough. What about that?

Speaker 1 How is Vaughn's son not tougher? What?

Speaker 1 Not Vince Vaughn. What's his name? Vince McMahon.
Steve. What's

Speaker 1 Shane O'Mack?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, Shane, make a Photoshop of Vince Vaughn. Shanomac took insane bumps and stuff, but Mankind would do it every single week.
Off the top of a cell? He would do, dude, So I'll show you highlights.

Speaker 1 Like, when he was wrestling, like, in the Independent Circuit, or what was it? ECW? Yeah, ECW. Like, he would get...
Shane Vaughn. He'd literally get thrown into barbed wire and shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, his back broken over him. His back was all cut up all the time.
So far.

Speaker 5 Max does look a little bit like him. Yeah, he does.

Speaker 1 That would be a great highlight. That's it for you.

Speaker 1 People say you look like Mick Foley all the time, and I don't know. I'm always.
Oh,

Speaker 1 we got to watch the Mankind highlights. I'll just send you the clip.

Speaker 1 Undertaker literally threw him off the top of a cell. I think it's a compliment to be said that I look like him.
Yeah, yeah. Into a bed of tax.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude.

Speaker 5 You got so much tail.

Speaker 1 All right. Other picks? I had

Speaker 1 camels.

Speaker 1 Honey badgers.

Speaker 1 Ruda just texted me. He was sitting in the room.
Mankind lost an ear in Japan.

Speaker 1 Fucking tough shit.

Speaker 1 That rocks.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Who'd you have?

Speaker 5 I had camels, honey badgers.

Speaker 1 Camels?

Speaker 5 Camels, they go like three months without drinking water.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but they can smoke cigarettes. They can't.
At least that makes them tough. Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, that's, yeah.

Speaker 1 Smoking cigarettes would be a good pick. Yeah.
Calculus? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Real tough. I had that.

Speaker 1 Pitbulls? Pitbulls, tough.

Speaker 1 Getting an ingrown toenail removed and then playing 30-minute basketball practice immediately after. It's pretty tough.
That is tough.

Speaker 5 I was going to pick this guy, but Big Cat took all of Pittsburgh. Ben Rothelsberger.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's tough. Every inch of the ball.
Pretty much everyone from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 I thought about just. I actually got Ben Herbert before you took strength training because he's from Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 And I got all the cops and the firefighters. I picked that first before you.

Speaker 1 Accepting that you're going bald. Oh, yeah.
That's tough. That's a good one.

Speaker 1 Watching Cody Parky kick field goals. Yep.
That's very in the playoffs. Substitute teachers I had on my list because that just must be the worst job of all time.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It is tough.

Speaker 5 When I took hockey players, I got the FDNY and the NYPD hockey players, right?

Speaker 1 Well, I still took that first.

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 1 You guys have both said things that you that were just wrong. Standing up at a bar for a long time,

Speaker 1 very tough. You just don't get a seat at a crowded bar.
It's one of the toughest things a person can do.

Speaker 5 Just waking up is tough.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hank.

Speaker 1 Waking up and realizing your phone wasn't charging overnight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Chasing a charge. And you have to go to Canopy Lake Park with your other producer.

Speaker 1 What? That was Coleman.

Speaker 1 can't be like park that's where they went i think uh that place invading russia in the winter time

Speaker 1 yeah tough also dumb dumb tough man tough if you want to be dumb you got to be tough that's true that's true johnny cash yeah just him in general tough guy teddy roosevelt tough oh that was a miss damn that was a miss teddy roose shot through his hand yeah that's a big one no he got shot in his chest oh that was his chest he got shot in his chest, and then he stood there.

Speaker 5 He said, bring the guy up to me. Damn.
It takes more than that to stop a bull moose. Damn.

Speaker 1 Jean-Claude Van Damme, Stephen Seagal, deer, meat,

Speaker 1 deer. Meat.
Oh, the meat of deer. Oh, venison? It's tough.

Speaker 5 I guess. Human flesh?

Speaker 1 That's tough. Living with your conscience, knowing that you hit a bear cub 10 years ago and someone's going to find out eventually.
Yeah, tough. That is tough.

Speaker 5 Really tough.

Speaker 1 Sneaky. Oh.

Speaker 1 Bernie Madoff. Weirdly tough having to live with just the fact that you're a complete fraud and it's going to be found out one day.
Mentally, it's got to be tough.

Speaker 1 It wasn't a pick, Max, so we're doing, we're just spitballing. You're a Bernie Madoff apologist.
Yeah, you're an apologist. That sounds like what you're doing.
No. Hank, you definitely.

Speaker 5 Hank, you fucking shouted out suicide bombers.

Speaker 1 You were just saying

Speaker 1 to be Jeffrey Epstein next.

Speaker 1 I almost said Theo Epstein.

Speaker 1 I do that often, honestly. No, because he had no...

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 you just switch them. Sometimes I say, like if I'm talking about Theo Epstein, I'll say Jeffrey Epstein.
I mean, they're both known for

Speaker 5 evaluating young talent.

Speaker 1 That's a big mistake.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's a big mistake, Max. All right, anything else, Huey? Did we miss anything?

Speaker 5 Draft a lot of high schoolers.

Speaker 10 I didn't think of anything too crazy. Maybe a test.
Maybe just a, but you kind of come up with a test.

Speaker 1 Any tests. Any tests.

Speaker 1 Any test of any kind,

Speaker 1 tough. That is tough, Huey.
Huey didn't go to college.

Speaker 1 He tried it once.

Speaker 9 Dan Campbell, tough, tough.

Speaker 1 Detroit. Detroit, yep.

Speaker 1 Nails. Nails.
Nails? Tough as nails.

Speaker 5 That's a miss.

Speaker 1 Diamonds are the hardest thing. I thought about saying that before.
I was thinking steel or iron. Diamonds.
Yeah. Yeah, steel.

Speaker 5 Oh, spider silk.

Speaker 1 Isn't that tough?

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. Like, if you made spider silk as big as a steel bar, it'd be twice as strong.

Speaker 1 Kevlar.

Speaker 5 Kevlar. Tough.

Speaker 1 Hands are tough yep they lift 10

Speaker 1 100 times their weight or something harbaugh was just saying that right bees bees

Speaker 1 a big bees guy uh not coming too fast that's very tough

Speaker 1 actually that i i think that doesn't count because that's not tough that's impossible right yeah yeah big difference

Speaker 1 oh it's like

Speaker 1 it's not tough because it's not possible yeah uh super

Speaker 1 what were you gonna say i was like that's almost as tough as making a woman come

Speaker 1 I was like, that's also impossible.

Speaker 1 Women don't come.

Speaker 1 Next great week, Make a Woman Come challenge.

Speaker 5 That kid superhuman, the guy that does the backyard wrestling.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. That guy rocks.

Speaker 5 I love that dude. He'll just set up like a piece of plywood and then wrap it in barbed wire and be like, hey, I'm superhuman.
Shout out to all the juggalos and the juggalettes out there.

Speaker 5 I'm going to jump into this barbed wire.

Speaker 1 And he does it every day. Yeah.
And does he say something else like this, this fucking sucks or something like that?

Speaker 5 Well, he just screams in pain.

Speaker 1 Like every time.

Speaker 5 It's not like he doesn't feel the pain. He feels the pain.
Yeah. And then he gets back up, and every day he does it again.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Shoe nice.

Speaker 5 Shoe nice top. Shout out Shoe Nice.

Speaker 1 He ate like 100 tampons once live on

Speaker 1 a stream. Pretty fucking glue.
Yeah. He drank glue.
He ate a beer bottle. That's tough as fuck.

Speaker 1 All right. That was a good Mount Rush one.
Great Mount Rushmore. Yeah.
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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. It is our Grit Week interviews brought to you by Coors Light.
It is head coach, the Las Vegas Raiders, Antonio Pierce.

Speaker 1 Coach, first of all, thank you for spending any time with us. We appreciate it.
We're big fans. We start every Grit Week interview the same, though.
Okay. How do you define grit?

Speaker 1 For me, toughness. Guys that don't blink, look the barrel down the eye, that's still the eye focus.

Speaker 1 And more importantly, man,

Speaker 1 they got to have some shit to them. Yeah.
Yes.

Speaker 1 They got to have the ish to them, man. And if they got that, man,

Speaker 1 we'll go hand in hand. That's good to me.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Playing Raiders football.

Speaker 1 That sounds like Raider football, doesn't it? Yeah.

Speaker 5 You said that you were born a Raider, and I don't know what that means because I was not born a Raider.

Speaker 1 Or can you change?

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 It's either you got it or you don't. There's no Raiders convert.
Is there a DNA test that you can do? Well, no, it's kind of attitude. Okay.
You can look and you can feel it.

Speaker 1 You can feel a a raider somebody could present as a raider but you know deep down inside they're not actually raiders i mean sometimes i know we're in california right now so you can go hollywood around yeah yeah could can you look into someone's eye and know if they're a raider without a question look into our eyes

Speaker 1 no

Speaker 1 no oh

Speaker 1 he had you damn it yeah

Speaker 1 i was waiting for you to blink i saw a little twitching in the eyebrows kind of doing a like hey i'm gonna go at you but but the bears had

Speaker 1 like a raider raider a raider fan would never wear any other team yeah so what does that mean to be born a raider man like for me though to be honest like uh growing up in inner city los angeles it's go back to the to where we talked about it was grit it was toughness it was attitude it was um it was swag it was when you wore those you know colors and you saw uh silver and black walking down the street or somebody in all black you knew they meant you knew they meant business yeah it wasn't about no bs right it was straight it was straight stand on business and um that's what it kind of like started with me you know growing in inner city and then seeing that and seeing obviously you know the entertainment and that culture with hip-hop moving on but then wa and those gentlemen and then just watching bo jackson marcus all in harvey long man yeah tech mobo yeah you know that was that that that really did that actually is not gritty though to play with bow and tech mobo sound to cheat yeah right that's right easy way out yeah that was an easy way out it was fun though so i mean you do have grit uh we saw it last year when you took over the team we've seen it your whole career i want to go back though because you played at arizona you don't get drafted i've read some stuff that you were shocked you weren't drafted do you think your career goes different if you get drafted or was that like was that the motivation you needed to then have an incredible nfl career as a player i mean it definitely added more full fuel to the fire yeah you see 30 guys go in front of you like god damn 30 i get 10 15 But 30, then, you know, when you started seeing those guys at the end of that seventh, sixth, and seventh round, man, it was like, well, what did I do wrong?

Speaker 1 You know, yeah,

Speaker 1 he was productive, played some good players, good defense. Okay, measurables back then, everybody was 6'4, 6'3, 6'4, 250.
Okay, I get it. You know, 6'1, 230.
Right. All right, cool.

Speaker 1 But it definitely added fuel to the fire. I would have loved to be drafted because it's just kind of a badge.
Yeah. But at the end of the day, like, man, it's kind of like my whole life.

Speaker 1 It's not where you start and where you grew up and all that. It's how you come on top of all that stuff, right? And that kind of just really put that

Speaker 1 fire and desire in my eye to strive to be great. Yeah.
I think it's actually a cooler badge now. Like to be like, I was not drafted.
Right. And I had a

Speaker 1 people say that about me, they're shocked because you look at the end result. Yeah, right.
So you're like, oh my, he should have been second, third round.

Speaker 1 I don't know, maybe not first, but you know, you're like, yeah, I had to get drafted. Right.
You realize, no, wow. I wasn't good enough in 2001, right?

Speaker 1 And then you look at my career, and I'm going to brag a little bit. All those guys that got drafted before me didn't hit any of the stats as an individual or as a team player that I did.
Right.

Speaker 1 With the with the Redskins at the time and the Giants. So I really pride myself on it, man.

Speaker 1 And that obviously that fueled me as i got into uh playing especially in new york yeah i mean look at us three undrafted guys yeah let's hit and we're all the same sitting around bright lights

Speaker 5 every day i wake up and it fueled me if i had a jersey i'd wear 32.

Speaker 1 yeah come on man

Speaker 5 passed on me yeah so i i was born i don't think i can say i was born a redskin yeah you can yeah i was i was born a red skin fan uh because i'm from the dc area so i always appreciated you on that team you were the heart and soul of that defense that last year that you had

Speaker 5 some ballers on that team yeah i know but that last year you were like, you were a great player for us. And then we had Clinton Portis on the show like six months ago.

Speaker 5 And I was talking to him about you, and he said that the Skins were trying to lowball you at the time.

Speaker 5 And then you obviously had to take the money and go to New York where you ended up flourishing. But we missed you in D.C.
after that. Like, we wanted you back.

Speaker 5 I'm sorry that the ownership didn't feel the same way, but you made the right decision. You go to New York, you win a Super Bowl there.
And

Speaker 5 going into that game, everybody else in America, again, doubted you. They thought, okay, let's just anoint the New England Patriots.

Speaker 5 Go into that game, though, your mindset, did you feel like an underdog going in that game or did you feel like you're going to win?

Speaker 1 Felt disrespected. And it really went back to week 17.

Speaker 1 The media was asking us,

Speaker 1 we got into the playoffs. We beat the Bills the week prior.
Patriots coming into our place to kind of finish that undefeated season, the regular season.

Speaker 1 And I remember media asking, like, are you guys going to game? Like, what are you playing for? Me, myself, Strahan, a couple others was like, what the hell are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Like, why wouldn't we play? You know, we didn't pay for 16 games. And these dudes were coming into our house, nor did we not really like the Patriots at all anyway.
Right?

Speaker 1 So we obviously had a team meeting with Coach Coughlin, and it wasn't even like, we didn't even hesitate. We're like, no, we're doing it.

Speaker 1 And then if you guys remember that game, we were up 12 points late third quarter. But, you know, listen, Randy Moss is special.
And Tom had a great year that year. And they popped some plays.

Speaker 1 We lost by three.

Speaker 1 But that gave us kind of like that, man, listen, we just went toe to toe with probably the best team of all time.

Speaker 1 And I still think probably the best team of all time, regardless that they didn't win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 So when we got to the week of the Super Bowl, it goes back to, you know, your question, Born the Raider, man, you know what? We got off that plane where?

Speaker 1 All black.

Speaker 1 It was deaf to the Patriots. It was deaf to the dynasty.
Going to a funeral.

Speaker 1 That was a mindset. That's what I told the team.
Only guy they want to do is Eli. Everybody else were all black.
You know what I mean? But that was kind of our mindset. Yeah, so we had a big underdog.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, there was comments made out the week. We were going to lose by double digits.

Speaker 1 You know, Tom Brady was was laughing about the point spread that Plax and Bird or the points that Plax said we're gonna hold him to.

Speaker 1 And man, I ain't gonna lie, if you'd have just watched us practice on defense, you would have knew like it's not gonna be close.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we was gonna get after those guys because that was, it was crazy because Tom Brady, his entire career, he didn't give Bolton board material, but that one time it feels like he slipped up.

Speaker 1 Oh, is that,

Speaker 1 yeah? But is that like, because I never know, we're just fans, but like that type of stuff, we say, oh, yeah, Bolton board material. Does that matter a lot in the locker room? No, it did.

Speaker 1 Like I said, it even goes back to, like I said, back to private season, how the Patriots were being treated, right? That was Spygate year, too, as well. Remember that, right?

Speaker 1 So there was a lot of things going on, and they just, you felt a sense of entitlement, you know what I mean, with that team overall. And then, like you said, the comments came.
Again, I get it.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, competitors, you know, they're averaging almost goddamn 37 points per game. And we said, sit there and say we're going to hold them to 17 points.
And he spotted them through.

Speaker 1 It was 14, actually. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Were you worried at all during that run that Tom Coughlin's face was going to fall off? That Green Bay game? Yeah.
I've never seen a face like that. No, I was concerned for him.

Speaker 1 But he's a tough dude. Now you're talking about gritty.
Now, that's a gritty guy, man. His face was melting.
It was done. Yeah.
It was done.

Speaker 1 But all of our faces were done. So we're looking at each other like, this is not going to end well.
You know what I mean? But the coolest part about that game, man, like regardless of the weather.

Speaker 1 the adversity going back and forth overtime, you know, Brett Ford last game as a Packer, which it ended up to be, like, we were just so determined to make it happen because we had played the two teams, Dallas, really, the last three teams we faced, right?

Speaker 1 Dallas, Green Bay, and New England, we all faced in the regular season. The first two games of the season, we gave up 80 points and a thousand yards to Dallas and Green Bay to start the season.

Speaker 1 Then, the last game we lost was the Patriots. So, man, there was a lot of like bulletin board material, things that we could really go back and look at and really study.

Speaker 1 And that really propelled us and helped us in those playoff games.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah, Tom Coughlin, ultimate football guy, the ultimate great guy. We've heard a few stories about Tom as a head coach that he doesn't give bathroom breaks.
They have to be, that's true.

Speaker 5 Could you like raise your hand and be like, no, that's an emergency, please?

Speaker 1 You had time before. Are you still on Coughlin Time?

Speaker 1 We try to get, I do start my meetings early. Okay.
I think our team realized that. Because you kind of came two minutes late to this.
Yeah, well, I couldn't find you guys. Okay, all right.
All right.

Speaker 1 I mean, we're going to find you. Yeah.
Do you call it? Do you still call it Conflict? I'm going to find the head coach.

Speaker 1 I can resend that.

Speaker 5 Do you still call it Coughlin Time or do you call it Antonio Clock?

Speaker 1 No, I call it Coughlin Time. He was here the other day.
He was here last week for a week with the team, and we started his meeting five minutes early. Love it.
Yeah, for him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Does it get confusing with like daylight savings when you change the clocks? It does. Especially back then because iPhones wasn't even out.

Speaker 1 So he's trying to have us do things with our phones that we couldn't do. And we had to go by the clock inside a building, the stadium.

Speaker 1 But if you're not inside a building in the stadium, then how do you know what time it is? Yeah. I just realized that.

Speaker 1 That day probably sucks for

Speaker 1 on Coughlin time. It was very confusing.
And it was very costly. Yeah, you got to set your clock back an hour and 15 minutes? No, you just set it back.
An hour, but you also.

Speaker 5 And also the 15 minutes. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 No, five. It's only five.
Oh, it's five. Okay, so it's five.
It was five minutes early.

Speaker 5 We'd always heard 15 and - not five.

Speaker 1 That's five. All right.

Speaker 5 Well, he's an ultimate football guy. And

Speaker 5 listen, it's great that you're the coach of the Raiders. We were rooting for you last year.

Speaker 5 We wanted you to get this gig.

Speaker 5 And when you took over the team, it seems like they got a nice little boost. The players believed in you.
More than anything, they played hard. They played really hard for you.

Speaker 5 And that game against the Chargers on Thursday night, at that point, I knew I was like, they have to do this.

Speaker 5 They have to hire him as the full-time head coach because going out there on that field after about one second of game, it looked like the Chargers didn't want to be out there.

Speaker 5 Did you know in the first half of that game, like, I think I'm going to be the head coach of the Raiders next year?

Speaker 1 Not really. Not that game.
That felt good because the week prior, we scored zero. I was going to say that was the worst football game I've ever watched.
That was the worst game I had to be a part of.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, that was the 3-0 game. I'm just like, God, we can't get close to field goal range.

Speaker 1 We can't even attempt a field goal. It was incredible.
I mean, it was just one of those games. It really,

Speaker 1 as bad as it is, I know we love scoring. It was really two good defenses playing well.

Speaker 1 Obviously, quarterback play and offensive play on both sides wasn't good enough because, hell, they didn't score until almost three or four minutes left in the game. But that was tough.

Speaker 1 So then you got a short week.

Speaker 1 So we're doing, we got walkthroughs. We only got two practices.
Right. And then you're about to play the Chargers at home.
And we, but we did see something on the film.

Speaker 1 We're like, if we we can jump out and we can impose our will early and come out with the energy and a tempo and play with the style of play we wanted to play and attack certain players, we can get after them.

Speaker 1 And then right away, the first two plays in a run game, we got after them. And we knew it then.
So our office started rolling and defense was Mac start flying and turned the corner.

Speaker 1 Malcolm Koontz had some big plays and obviously Jack Jones did his little one-hand deal there. That was awesome.
Yeah, that was cool.

Speaker 1 So the game that I would assume you were like, I might get this job was that Chiefs game because that was another one where it was like,

Speaker 1 it's something beautiful with football where if you play that game a hundred times, the Chiefs probably win more than half. And, but it was, you guys just had a perfect game plan.

Speaker 1 You just frustrated the hell out of them. Was that the moment where you're like, okay, this, I, I think I might be able to do this?

Speaker 1 Well, that's what for me is like, wow, you know, I went up against, let's go back. I went up against Andy Reed 25 times in my career as a player.
Yeah. All right.
Or 23, excuse me.

Speaker 1 And so I'm used to that battle, but it was always different. It was a player versus coach.
Now it's coach versus coach.

Speaker 1 So ultimate respect for what he's done in his career, both in Philly and Kansas City. But it was like, man,

Speaker 1 it was tough. That was the hardest thing we've done.
Yeah. Yeah.
That we did that week.

Speaker 1 I thought the coaches, the buy-in, the players, just the mentality that we talked about all week and the way and the style of play we wanted to play with and what we wanted to do to 15 and 87

Speaker 1 was critical. And we wanted to make it ugly.
We want to make it gritty.

Speaker 1 Keep using your word because that's a good word for what we're talking about today.

Speaker 1 All that stuff came to fruition. And more importantly, man, the guys, they played with a purpose.
Like, we didn't want to be, they were not going to be denied that day. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 1 And it was good to feel it. After the game, we were in the locker room celebrating.
But did you, did I feel like that was a moment? No, I just felt like, okay,

Speaker 1 I belong in the National Football League as a head coach. Yeah.
I thought that myself. Did I belong to be the head coach or deserve to be the head coach of the Raiders? We still had some games to go.

Speaker 1 We was hoping to get in the playoffs at the time. I had two games left and playing the Colts the next week, you know, and see how the chips fall at that point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I do, I love the way that you attack like football in an old school way, like talking about Patrick Mahomes, like we're going to go after him.

Speaker 1 Because we have a theory that with the way that the quarterback position gets refereed now, there's a lot of times where Patrick Mahomes gets, and it's a credit to him, gets like that extra five yards because guys will like come up short and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 So are you like, is that something you guys preach every day where it's like, hey,

Speaker 1 we have to hit the quarterback. Like we know the rules are different, but we can't just play this style that like lets him do whatever he wants.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think our identity on defense is to to make you uncomfortable. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We want you to step. We want to step on your toes.
We want to be in your face. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 We want to make you thinking about us, why you're on the sideline, why you're preparing for us during the week. What are these guys going to do today?

Speaker 1 What they got up their sleeve now? And if we win that mental edge, then obviously we got to go to XQ with X and O's. And our players got to play at a high level.

Speaker 1 But the game is different the way it's officiated when I play, right? So, yeah, you got that old school mentality, but then also you got to be smart and play within the rules. Yeah.
Yeah. Definitely.

Speaker 1 I love it. I love, like, there's just something about old school football and just not.

Speaker 1 Especially late in the year, though, right? Like, late in the year, like, it was cold. Right.
You know, everybody got a hoodie on the beanies. Like,

Speaker 1 goddamn stuff's coming out your mouth. Like, it's that's what football is supposed to be, right? It's supposed to be high scoring and pretty, and guys sliding around.

Speaker 1 No, it's supposed to get like hit in your mouth. And that's ugly.
And that's why you tune in because you tune in and everyone's like, I mean, the Chiefs were like 10-point favorites.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, they'll win easily. It's like, no, the Raiders are going to just muck this up and make it a fight in the trenches.

Speaker 1 I love it. We did.

Speaker 5 You got some good coaches with you now, too. I read, I don't know how true this is.
I forget.

Speaker 5 It was one of your players that I think talked about it, but you have some of your coaches doing conditioning drills. Somebody said that Rob Ryan was on a treadmill the other day.

Speaker 1 That's some, all of them. You got 29 coaches.
Okay. Big group.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So in offseason, just and really just even when I was a position coach prior, you know, you watch coaches both on defense, offense, especially teams, and like

Speaker 1 we're always yelling at players to run from drill to drill. But then you got that coach and he's like 10 yards behind you.

Speaker 1 The players are there at the drill, but the coach is behind, so we're still late, right? So, cool, that's one thing. Then I started thinking about, like, man, what

Speaker 1 can I do to show the players also that, like, man, whatever we tell you to do, we can do as well, regardless if you played or not. And I said, look, one thing we can all do is we can get in shape.

Speaker 1 We can lose a couple pounds, right? So, yeah, man. So, I told the coaches that in February.
I said, listen, April, a week before the players come in, we're going to do the condition test.

Speaker 1 So, we ran 2040s.

Speaker 1 Rob Ryan did. Okay, hold on.

Speaker 1 Anybody over 60 got on a bike. Okay, okay.
So there was a bike rule. No, no, it was good.

Speaker 1 We had an age limit. We don't want to kill anybody.
We got to take care of our senior coaches. We had a few of them.

Speaker 1 But they had to do this. You know, the trainers had to equip, our training staff had a good idea of what to do.
And we ran them. And we got some former players on the staff.

Speaker 1 And there was a couple of guys showing out. And then we got to, it was funny.
We got to last five, right? So we did 15. We're doing the last five.
So now the guy was trying to show off.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm good. And we had about two coaches come up lane.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 So we, come on, man, you got to finish, you know, kind of like the players, you know, patting on the butt, like, hey, let's go, let's go. And then I give them credit, man.

Speaker 1 The last two reps, they fought through it, uh, kind of made the time, but at the end of the day, they finished it. Yeah, the whole thing is about finishing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so what we did, boom, players come back, off-season program starts. And I said, listen, man, I appreciate everybody being here, but let me show you how dedicated these coaches you got this year.

Speaker 1 Look, what, look what we did, and I put it on.

Speaker 1 You know, of course, Rob Ryan has his shirt off, and he's doing stretching.

Speaker 1 It's not pretty at all, but you know, Rob's got a hand. He's got the flow, yeah.
Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 1 He's laughing, he's karaoke, and and the knee's not going up at all. It's just,

Speaker 1 it was good for our team and our coaches to do it. But obviously, it was even better for their health, man.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Who's the fastest coach?

Speaker 1 It's you. It's you.

Speaker 1 I'm going to put myself in top three. We got Ricky Mannon.
Okay. Played corner league for several years.
He's up there. Andre Carter's still in tremendous shape.
So I would put us three here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Would you say, are you addicted to making other men run?

Speaker 1 Because that story that I also heard of you in high school, when you were coaching high school, and your team was up 63-9 at half, and you didn't like how they looked, so you made them run during halftime.

Speaker 1 And then you actually took a penalty at halftime because you got back before like not in time because they were still running gassers.

Speaker 1 Ran back the opening off in the second half, and then you won 99-9.

Speaker 1 So, would you say maybe you're addicted to making other guys run? Well, I know, you know,

Speaker 1 what was the thought process? I mean, that's a crazy story. What's crazy is when I played, I could run for days.
I was always in shape.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, you're a high school athlete, college athlete, want to be a pro pro athlete. You can never be out of shape, right?

Speaker 1 So, coached at Long Beach Poly, and, you know, we're getting after the team pretty good, but we're just being sloppy. You know, guys have, you know, got some penalties and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 So, what I 63 to 9 is the score. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The team was like 0-6, 0-7. I was mad they even scored.
Like, what are we doing?

Speaker 1 So, I told my, I told the other teammate, listen, y'all can have our locker room, go drink our water, you get all our stats. We're going on the side field at dark.
And we ran literally for,

Speaker 1 I think it was 20-minute halftime. And then the referees are blowing the whistle.
We didn't go out there and they threw the flag and they kicked the ball off and we ran it back and we were up 70 to 9.

Speaker 1 And we just kept running until the score hit 99.

Speaker 1 And we could have kept running, you know what I mean? But like, man, like, to me, that's, like, it's like with our team, we talk about effort. Because

Speaker 1 at this level, when you get to professional football, everybody's good, right? You're playing with the 1% or the 1%.

Speaker 1 What separates you? And like, you look at Max Crosby, what separates Max Crosby from the rest of the defensive ends and defensive players in National Football League? His effort. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So if I can get our guys in shape, in condition, in football shape to just constantly run and give that effort, man, like

Speaker 1 we can roll with the best of them because now you got 61 minutes to deal with us. Yeah.
I said 61 because we're going to play each second longer than you. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's probably nice having a defensive player like Max, too, as a leader of the team, and he's out there on road trips and he's like importing his meal prep that he brings in and makes at home.

Speaker 5 And if he's spending all that time taking care of himself, then yeah,

Speaker 5 you don't want to be a fat ass behind him, right?

Speaker 1 Listen, the first day I ever walked in this building back in 2022, the first person I met was Max at 6 a.m. in the morning.

Speaker 1 When I wake up every day, the first person I see in the building and downstairs is Max Crosby. It's amazing.
Like it's 365, 24-7. Yeah.
I've never seen nothing like it.

Speaker 1 Like there, we don't, we have walkthroughs and it's not a walkthrough for him. You just kind of understand that.
Yeah. Like there's walkthrough and then there's Max, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But when you have your best player playing at that level, what's happening now with the rest of our team? Yeah. Then I had a Christian Wilkins.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now I got two of them and I got a guy inside and outside because he does the same exact thing.

Speaker 1 So now that just breeds breeds this, man, this energy and this synergy into our building, into our defense that, you know, these guys, they just want to run, man. They want to run and hit.

Speaker 1 They love playing ball. You know, it's fun to watch.
It's really fun to watch.

Speaker 5 Do you have to change anything about your personality as a defensive guy? That's, you know, you've hated quarterbacks for a long time and now you're the head coach.

Speaker 5 And you're like, shit, I have to coach a quarterback now. Like, I have to love this guy.

Speaker 1 No, I don't change. I'll talk to them crazy just like I talk to the linebackers.
They look at me crazy too. Like, what do you like? That's not quarterback talk.
Like, it's okay. It's football talk.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Football is football. I like that.
Football is football, man. Don't let's not ever get confused, right? So that's how we operate here.
And they get it.

Speaker 1 Obviously, we got to be sensitive to them at times, how we touch them. Yeah.
But how we talk is how we talk. Do you talk football to the kickers?

Speaker 1 We do, Dale. Okay.

Speaker 1 They got to make tackles. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Kickoff rule, right? So.

Speaker 1 Daniel Carlson did a good job the other day with the media man. He's talking about like, man, I'm doing biceps and getting a little bench press going because I got to make some tackles now.

Speaker 1 You know, I got to be involved. So, yeah, we talk a a little bit, try not to get those guys too much, but

Speaker 1 you don't want to bog them down with too much. No, we don't.
And we got two special guys, man, with AJ and Daniel. So we talk a little bit, but

Speaker 1 a little bit sensitive because they're more with the feet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 A little different.

Speaker 1 I'm not that good with that one.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the kickers are weird. Very strange people.

Speaker 1 But our kickers are cool. Yeah.
We got cool kickers. I've been around weird kickers.
I've been around some weird guys. Like, oh man, this dude's a weirdo.

Speaker 5 But these guys can hang down with us.

Speaker 1 I'll hang out with these guys. We can hang out together.
They can hang out with a lot of Heatherford. Were you with him? Yes, he's a weirdo.
I played with Jay Feely.

Speaker 1 Jay used to come with all the wristbands poked up. He's going to knock somebody out of the camera.
Did you ever see the weirdo?

Speaker 5 Did you ever see the picture of Jay Feely when his daughter was going to prom and he had a gun in his hand?

Speaker 1 Jay Feasy, like, it's funny. We came in the same year in New York Giants together, both as free agents, the signees.
And

Speaker 1 so we played a couple years together. I got a good Jay Feely story.
Man, we play in Seattle. He misses a couple field goals and shock.
He just goes haywire.

Speaker 1 He's in the damn locker room throwing chairs at him. And Jay's bobbing the weaving, man.
Like, I actually kicked one of them damn things. You know what I mean? Kind of cool, man.

Speaker 1 But Jay was like a tough dude, man. Like, he was a guy that wasn't supposed to be a kicker.
He was supposed to be like a linebacker. Yeah.
He just happened to be a little short and a little stubby.

Speaker 1 He's a good linebacker. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I feel like Weatherford was kind of like that, too, where he was self-conscious about being a punter. So he spent all his time just working his eyes out.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 the most jacked-up punter of all time. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 So we are obsessed with the owner of the Raiders. We want to get him on the show at some point, Mark Davis.
Have you gone to,

Speaker 1 listen, we saw him at the Super Bowl. We kind of, we might have ambushed him at a hotel and we were like, hey, you're going to come on? He's like, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 So I don't think that's going to happen. But have you gone to PF Changs with him? No.

Speaker 1 Will you?

Speaker 1 That's all. PF Changs on the field.
That's where he eats all the time.

Speaker 5 That's every

Speaker 5 favorite meal.

Speaker 1 Breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I thought it was In N Out.
Oh.

Speaker 5 So I heard that earlier, too, that he's spending a lot of time at In N Out. But I also think he goes to PF Changs and that's like his meditation spot.
Yeah. He sits down by himself,

Speaker 5 eats the meal.

Speaker 1 But I don't think none of us will be going with him if he goes by himself and he's eating a meal at PF Changs. I think we're gonna leave that to him.
That's our dream to go to PF Changs with him.

Speaker 1 You gotta catch him. Yeah, we might just have to stake out of PF Chang's.

Speaker 5 That's fine. Yeah, so we will do that.
We'll just have to go to PF Chang's every day.

Speaker 1 There's not a lot of niggas. I mean, there's only a handful, right? Okay, yeah.
We'll just spot. You gotta have some spotters.
Yeah, he's got his minivan.

Speaker 1 I don't know if he still rides around in that thing. That thing rocks.
Yeah. He's got some toys too, though.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 What was it like when you got offered the job, like officially it was good came downstairs and kind of looked me in the eye says man

Speaker 1 i think i think you're the guy for the job and got up good little bear hug and i told him i said man i'm not gonna disappoint you we're gonna be consistent what you've seen last year is it'll just grow and um we got a good relationship man that's cool like i reach out to mark a lot keep him informed of what's going on It's good to see him around the building.

Speaker 1 He was at practice just a couple weeks ago to see the guys and watch the scrimmage and stuff, man. And I think it's important when your owner,

Speaker 1 owner's presence presence is around the team.

Speaker 1 Because, you know, when I was a player, I looked like, where's the owner? Like, does he care? Does he not around? Because I had two different organizations, right?

Speaker 1 I had one guy, you know, the team you like.

Speaker 5 He was probably drunk in Cuba, somewhere.

Speaker 1 Never around, right? Yeah. And I was with another organization where they were always there.
Yeah. And I thought that was a good idea.

Speaker 5 Which team was better? Just curious.

Speaker 1 Which owner was better? Did you choose the one on that side?

Speaker 1 I would have stayed with that one if there was better. But yeah, anyway.

Speaker 1 But no, man, listen, Mark. One thing about Mark, he just wants to win.
He was born a Raider. If anybody

Speaker 1 was born, he was born. He probably came out of silver and black.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Most times you get that pretty blanket, he probably had a Raider blanket. Yeah, it was pretty cool.
I didn't have a Raider blanket. I just happened to see the colors and fell in love with him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And he wears the white jeans, which rock. Yeah.
Nobody pulls off. No, no one.
I don't even pull that off.

Speaker 1 I've been seeing he's sometimes in the owner's suite with white jeans, white shirt, eating like buffalo wings.

Speaker 5 But not a stain on his shirt. Yeah, he doesn't spill.
He's an adrenaline junkie.

Speaker 1 Or you just keep a couple of white shirts with you. You get one, you just flip it and get it.
That might be the case. I think he could afford it.
Yeah, you could probably afford it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he could look at that more.

Speaker 1 All right. I know you got to run in a minute.
So we've got a couple last questions. My last question, Chevy question, Chevy.com.
Go to Chevy. The Silverado is the best truck ever.

Speaker 1 Great sponsor for Grit Week.

Speaker 1 So how often, like in day-to-day, do people bring up that 2007 Giants team? And has there ever been a time where you've talked about them and it was awkward? No. No, I'm never.
Not at a team meeting.

Speaker 1 I'm always apathetic to her.

Speaker 1 Things like that.

Speaker 1 Hey, coach. Now you know what the question was.

Speaker 1 I don't think I was asked the question. I just made a reference.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It goes back to the mindset, man. It goes back to that mindset.
Yeah. You go against the best.
You got to do something a little different, right? You got to approach it differently.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? What you did in the past doesn't work with this team. And that's kind of what it was.
But yeah, I've been asked that question quite a few.

Speaker 1 And when if you ask me the question, you better be ready for the answer. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's good. That's a good point.
That's about that very, very fair point. Maybe

Speaker 5 some people would cut too close to the bone, and they'd just be very sensitive about it, Hypothetically.

Speaker 1 Things like that can happen. Things can't talk about anybody in particular.

Speaker 5 My last last question is,

Speaker 5 just I read that you had interned on the Howard Stern show. Man.

Speaker 5 What was the process like for that? Why did you decide

Speaker 5 I would enjoy being interned for the Howard Stern show?

Speaker 1 So when I was with the Giants, I did a bunch of, I had my weekly show. I think it was a Pierce Fierce Report is what we called it.
And after we won the Super Bowl, I was like, hey, man,

Speaker 1 I played with Stra-Anne, play with Tiki Barber, two guys. I went to the media right after football.
So I'm like, man,

Speaker 1 I want to do some internships. So I did the, which is cool, which is crazy.
I did, which nobody really talked about. The Jamie Foxx did Playboy, which was you enjoyed that Playboy?

Speaker 1 Bogged. Let's stay with Howard Stern.

Speaker 1 And then they were like, Howard wants you to do it. So I'm like, cool.
So the first day, I literally did all the stuff with Sal Richard,

Speaker 1 Howard, and all the guys behind the scenes. And the next day, like, we're going to put you on camera.
And then it was, it was crazy, man. Like, I wish I could do it again.
Because

Speaker 1 I didn't know Howard as well as I know him now, especially back then. I knew who he was and how big he was.
I didn't realize how smart he was, how sharp he was.

Speaker 1 But then also, I didn't know what goes on in the back rooms. Yeah.
The back rooms are real. Yeah.
Like, when they pull back this curtain, I need them shades. Yeah.
Yeah. You better be prepared.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But, no, man, it was, it's funny because I get asked about that probably close, probably second most other than the Super Bowl game.

Speaker 5 If I had known you were an introductory Playboy, I would have just strictly written Playboy questions.

Speaker 1 It was weird.

Speaker 1 I said I want to be diverse, and they gave me the most damn diverse things possible.

Speaker 1 If I could do Howard Stern's show again, I'd love to do it, man. Howard's a good gentleman, obviously, very sharp.
They got a good thing going. I mean, how many years now? Yeah.
It's forever.

Speaker 1 30 years. Yeah.
He's the king of media, right? Yeah. He's a godfather.
Yeah. Well, Coach, thank you so much.
I know you're going to have grit on these Raiders. Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 Like, just being around you pumps me up.

Speaker 1 So we're big fans, and best of luck this season. You want to do a prediction? Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 We're going to win a lot of games. A lot of games.
Okay. I'm going to take over on that a lot.
Yeah. Yeah.
Four games that they think. Okay.
I like that. Very good play wrong.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Thanks so much, Coach.
I appreciate it. Thanks, man.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. This is a gritty interview because we only have one camera set up.
Backstory,

Speaker 1 we're in Legends at Long Beach doing a fan meetup. And a guy comes up to me and he says, Big Cat, you've talked about me a lot, but you don't know who I am.
And I was very skeptical.

Speaker 1 And I was like, what the fuck is this guy talking about? And he says, I'm Andy. I'm the kid that got my head stuck in the Jacksonville Jaguars statue however many years ago, 20 years ago?

Speaker 1 1997? 1997. So I verified, he showed me his ID, I verified it with the news stories.

Speaker 1 So we were like, we have to have at least five minutes with the kid that got his head stuck in the Jaguar statue in 1997, an all-time iconic picture. So Andy,

Speaker 1 I mean, just what happened?

Speaker 7 Well, first of all, thank you guys for having me for Grit Week. This is,

Speaker 7 I don't know if what I did was gritty enough of worthy of this sit down.

Speaker 1 I'd say it is. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, without a doubt.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 So, no, I was, so I grew up in Jacksonville.

Speaker 7 Love Jacksonville.

Speaker 7 I was nine years old. I think my parents took me there.

Speaker 7 We were going to some, because, you know, Jacksonville is like a Navy port city. I think they had some Navy boat museum thing they were doing.
And so we were already downtown.

Speaker 7 So we're like, oh, let's go to the statue and like, or the stadium and like kind of hang out and like check out the vibe or whatever.

Speaker 7 And I was like, I think at the time, I was like, oh, my God, this will be a really funny picture when I stick my head in here. Yeah.
And so I, you know, did my thing, went up there.

Speaker 12 It was your idea.

Speaker 1 It was my idea. Because there's a lot.

Speaker 7 I'm glad we're getting this moment because there's a lot of different things i know you guys have speculated my death a couple times yeah i think when you talked to toy kahn i think one of you said was i think he might be dead yeah he just died in the statue yeah because when we saw we saw the picture we're like this kid is so dumb there's no way he's laughed lasted like many years past oh yeah no i was nominated for a darwin award okay yeah i thought that there's a chance that maybe you died in the statue and then the news just covered it up oh yeah i mean there's i mean those conspiracy there's i mean it's a full spectrum of all those situations okay so so back to what happened on that day yeah fateful day Yeah.

Speaker 7 So I stuck my head in the statue for a picture thinking it'd be funny. And I, I, have, like, remember after the picture was done, I was like, I, you know, I'm, I can't get out.

Speaker 7 And I think at first my mom was like, all right, get in the fucking car kind of thing.

Speaker 7 Like, we're like, you know, I'm nine and like, I'm with my, you know, it's just me, my mom, my brother, and my sister hanging out there. And I was like, no, for real, like, this is like a thing.

Speaker 7 And it escalated from like a, holy shit, this is actually happening moment from like a parent who's like freaking out to to like how are we gonna what what do we do from here kind of thing so I think some Jaguar security like came out monitored the situation the first thing they did laid into it is they put Vaseline all over my head trying to like wiggle me out holding me by the feet

Speaker 7 holding me by the feet and trying to like wiggle me out and then I just remember them being like it's not gonna do it and I and I and all I'm like nine my head's in there they put a towel over me so I'm not like looking out at all the people because Because there's a crowd.

Speaker 7 As this is happening, it's starting to trickle in.

Speaker 7 As this is happening, it's starting to trickle in. Like a whole circle is forming.

Speaker 5 That's when I thought they killed you.

Speaker 1 When they put the towel over you, like you like a race overnight the tarp out and they're like, just put this guy out.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's been euthanized.

Speaker 7 There were just too many eyes on at the time.

Speaker 1 It would be hard to pull off. So how long were you in the statue?

Speaker 7 A little bit over, I would say like an hour and a half.

Speaker 1 Oh my God. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And so you got stuck in there because

Speaker 5 you were saying earlier, the curvature of the Jaguar's fangs, you can go in, but then when you try to go out, the fangs.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that was the number one question. That was the thing that was hitting.

Speaker 7 And this was pre-social media, obviously, but this still, like, this was so big that my mom's sister found out in Germany and no one from America called her.

Speaker 1 Like, they were like, is this Andy? Like,

Speaker 1 like, is this your son?

Speaker 7 And this was, like I said, this is pre-social media, pre-any of that. So like, this was like a big story.

Speaker 7 And the number one thing, like, my parents got all these phone calls, like, like, to come on these talk shows.

Speaker 7 I remember like Nickelodeon ones, like, something, I think it was a Summer Sanders, I don't remember the name of it, like thing. Some like Rosie O'Donnell and etc.

Speaker 7 Like all these like talk shows were like, Oh, we got to get like the story or whatever. And my dad's like, there's no story, whatever.

Speaker 7 I do remember that one of the big things that they talked about was the Jags were like, the Jags were nervous at the time. There was like things like, oh my God, these family is going to sue us.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is going to be, this is going to be a thing. Like, whatever.

Speaker 7 And I think my dad was just like, and he got a lot of respect for this. My dad's like, we're not going to sue you.
We're not like those type of people.

Speaker 1 Kids are shithead. Yeah.
Exactly. He's nine.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, he's just like whatever.

Speaker 7 But there was a lot of people like, oh my God, like freaking out. And the Jaguars were super thankful.
The owner at the time was owned by the Weaver. I know it's Shad Khan now.

Speaker 7 Prior to that, it was the Weavers. The Weavers came out and like, you know,

Speaker 7 made sure everything was okay. I got a football sign by like all the Jaguars back in the day because I've been a hardcore fan since ever.
So I was like, I came out and I didn't understand.

Speaker 7 the gravity of how big this was. It was like, oh, this is a, I was nine.
It's like, oh, this was kind of a shitty day.

Speaker 1 So, so wait, so how do they get you out?

Speaker 7 So after the Vaseline procedure failed, they're like, we're going to have to get the jaws of life.

Speaker 1 So the fire department shows up.

Speaker 7 So the fire department shows up. I was on Rescue 911.
There's still like some,

Speaker 7 there's still some clips you can find of this.

Speaker 7 So they call the fire department. They try to do something with a couple tools first.
And then eventually they're like, no. We got to bring out the Jaws of Life.

Speaker 7 So that's when I think, and it might have been around the moment when they actually put the towel on me because they didn't want me to see because they had that thing. Yeah.

Speaker 7 He's just like, you know, right above like my head. But going back to your thing earlier when you were talking about the actual, how does that work?

Speaker 7 And I explained, because the number one question was like, how does, how does it get in and not out? That's just the number one. You'll never not hear that question.

Speaker 7 I explain it like a crab trap where like you can push your ears backwards, like bending back, but then it gets

Speaker 1 can't go forward.

Speaker 7 And so that was like the simplicity of it. But everyone, like, that was the number one thing.
People were like, how does that, how is that even possible?

Speaker 1 So, all right, so you get out. And then, like, when you were growing up, was were people like, hey, you're the statue kid? Yes, 100%.

Speaker 7 And I, again, like, I knew when I got home home that day, I remember, I do remember getting home and being like, all I thought about when I got home was, oh my God, I have a football signed by like Mark Burnell.

Speaker 7 Yeah. And like, oh, that's all I cared about.
I was nine, but I was a diehard jacket.

Speaker 5 And I was like, it taught you the wrong lesson through this, which is like, do something really stupid and then everyone gives you stuff.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Congratulations. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Thank you.
I appreciate it. I appreciate it.
No.

Speaker 7 Um,

Speaker 7 so I remember getting home and being kind of stoked. I was like, look at this football I got.
Like, this is kind of rad.

Speaker 7 And I remember seeing my dad, you know, my dad's a doctor and he he got home like late that night. And he just like, and my mom, I think I had like called him at that point.
He just like comes in.

Speaker 7 I just remember him being like,

Speaker 7 like this big sigh, because it's like, I don't know how relatable that moment is when your kid, I know you have kids, but like if you just found out your kid is about to be all over the news, right?

Speaker 7 Because they get stuck in the bears statue or something like that. You'd be like, I don't even, how do we move forward with this?

Speaker 7 And so from that point on, it was, you know, parents getting calls to do this,

Speaker 7 and wanted to talk about it. And then me at school, I was in fourth grade.

Speaker 7 So when I remember I came back, I had somebody just like, yeah, dude, you're like, you know, know, you're a legend or like, whatever.

Speaker 7 This was in 1997 in fourth grade.

Speaker 7 And then I had to get like strategic about it as I got older later in life because it's like, I'm not going to like, you know, actually my college essay that helped me get in, like, I feel like to school, I went to Emory, was like, I bet you never heard of a kid who got his head stuck in a jaguar and lived to tell the tale.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Because that became like, you look for a hook for this or something.

Speaker 7 And that stood out.

Speaker 7 But I also had to be careful and not like any other kind of particular jogger used to be like, oh, yeah, I'm the idiot Yeah, I got my head stuck in a jaguar sent you when I was nine so how it so I used to do NFL recap blogs

Speaker 1 Like way back early barstool and I would use the picture every time the jaguars

Speaker 1 Yeah, so would you like you you obviously get older and you're like all right That was a thing of the past like have you had moments where you're like fuck it keeps coming up No one I mean I didn't know you came up to me.

Speaker 12 I had no idea who you were.

Speaker 7 No, no, I know exactly like that's the thing. I was lucky it was pre-social media.
I even know that people like you and other people and I'm not saying this this is a dig, I think it's still fun.

Speaker 7 I don't, it doesn't like affect you.

Speaker 7 The Jaguars official account posted on their TikTok like a few weeks ago, and people started, people don't know, a lot of people, like, who I didn't know in Jacksonville, who knew of the story growing up, are like, where is he now?

Speaker 7 Whatever. And I was laughing at the comments because some were like, like, I heard he's like in Bangladesh.

Speaker 1 Like, no, no, no.

Speaker 7 And one guy was like, and then one guy, it was funny, I saw a caption was like, I actually heard like, he's in LA, like, he's a producer on Vanderpump Rules, which at the time, that was correct.

Speaker 7 And I was like, I was like, oh shit, this guy, he's

Speaker 7 this guy's been digging.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 how long into a relationship if you're like dating somebody how long do you wait to tell them like just so you know I'm the kid that got his head stuck in the statue oh my god um

Speaker 7 I wouldn't say it's an icebreaker but it's definitely that something that comes up I would say I don't know three weeks in once you're past the like awkward vibe whatever if then they're comfortable with you then it's like hey yeah here's a fun story

Speaker 5 if you wait like two years then they'll be like why the fuck didn't you tell me that earlier exactly and I wouldn't put on my dating profile if it was like a first swipe.

Speaker 1 No, I would. I would just have the picture.
You would just have me in the hand.

Speaker 7 You might think I'm nine.

Speaker 1 Look at me now. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. But before now.
Yeah, they would think you're nine. Look at me now.
All right. So last question I have, do you think you've cursed the Jaguars?

Speaker 7 It's a great question. There's been a lot of speculation.

Speaker 7 I was actually, before we got on the bus, I was trying to dig back because there were some really funny old Facebook messages I would get from seriously angry fans that would be like, fuck you.

Speaker 7 Like, fuck you. Ever since you did that, we've been terrible.
We were sick back then.

Speaker 7 And now yeah you went to an afc championship game like soon after and like we were sick back then and we've been nothing but garbage since then it's all your fault and if i ever like fucking see you in jacksonville you better like keep your head on a swivel like and it's like and it's not like and it was dead and the guy was like and i don't get like tons of those but like those exist like people on the internet are that's incredible so i'll get something like that occasionally and i'm just yeah well so what what we're gonna do for you because we know tony uh I'm gonna I'm gonna send Tony a picture of this and I'm gonna be like, if the Jags ever win the Super Bowl, I think you need to be part of the parade.

Speaker 1 parade i yeah and we should all get together if the jags i'm i'm hoping we're going to go to we're not going to we're not going to go to jacksonville but you are oh you're going to go to jacksonville no we will do jacksonville yeah we do love jacksonville but we're not we're not going to go to jacksonville i might go play sawgrass again tpc i saw i saw your tweets yeah of course but i want you to be i want the jags to like embrace you I want to, like, going forward, you need to be like, hey, we found him, and everything's going to be good now.

Speaker 5 It's a matter of fact that you cannot tell the story of the Jacksonville Jaguar Wars without this kid getting his head stuck in the statue.

Speaker 5 That's like a very, very big part of the Jacksonville-Jagg Wars.

Speaker 1 I was seriously starstruck. I said to Hank, I was like, I don't remember the last time I felt this way.
When you told me that you were the kid, I was just like, I felt weird

Speaker 7 coming up because I know you get everywhere you guys go. There's like, no, this one was.

Speaker 7 I have a funny story. Anytime someone prefaces, especially to you at this point in your career, when they say, I have a funny story, I know you're in a bunch of funny.
This one delivered.

Speaker 1 No, this one delivered. Sure.

Speaker 7 Yeah, go ahead and shoot, man. No, no, no.
This is one that's really going to

Speaker 1 pand out. Yeah.
No. I might have started that rumor.
All right. Well, Andy, thank you.
Thank you, guys.

Speaker 1 The story's not ending, though. I want to see you with the Jags when they win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah. And maybe

Speaker 1 we get like a paper-mâché

Speaker 1 like Jags hat. That's just the...
The statue is still there.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so the statue's still there at one point. So when they gave me the tooth, and it sucks because I actually gave it back to them, and I wish I didn't.
I know at the time,

Speaker 7 so I gave it back to him. Then they put like a rubber, like fake stub tooth, and it was so funny because I want to say like, I mean, this was probably like eight years ago.

Speaker 7 I was back home and we went to like Monster Jam at the Jaguar Stadium or something.

Speaker 7 There was a yellow security guard standing out who was just monitoring to make sure like kids don't get near the statue. And my buddy's like, dude, you created a job.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you did. Job creator Andy.
All right, well, thanks, man. Appreciate you coming out.
Thanks for having me, guys. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 I feel like... A sense of relief that

Speaker 1 you're not dead. We can finally move on to the next one.
We know.

Speaker 7 And we found each other in the most unexpected

Speaker 1 sports bar in Long Beach, California.

Speaker 5 I kept that tooth, though. That would go so hard as like a necklace.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we got to get you another one.

Speaker 7 I know. Can I say one thing, too? Yeah.
Going forward, when you guys talk about, you know,

Speaker 7 I listen to you guys religiously from the beginning. When you do your recaps of the week, I get the joke sometimes when you do like, oh, Jags, Tennessee.
We're like, we can just skip that one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 There's a big Jag. We love the Jaguars.
They're a big deal.

Speaker 1 And we love listening to you guys.

Speaker 1 I know you're laughing. I think that was pretty laugh.
I think that was pre-Trevor Lawrence, though. Because you guys had some years between.

Speaker 1 after Blake.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, and then you had the Urban Meyer year.
All right,

Speaker 1 we'll do maybe more. At a minute.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was talking Jaguars.
That's what we'll do.

Speaker 1 And now we're talking Jaguars. Tagging off.
Tagging off. All right.
Thank you, Andy.

Speaker 7 Thank you, guys. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 So, y'all know that we're big fans of Cracker Barrel. And this holiday season, I will be sat at their table with a big plate of country fried turkey.

Speaker 13 And Brandon, I'll be right there with you, and I'll check it off my Christmas list in the country store while i'm at it it'll make a nice holiday tradition oh that's so cute of you enjoy all the more holiday traditions only at cracker barrel

Speaker 1 okay it's time to wrap up the show with our good good friend it is coach eric musselman usc basketball coach we just went through a workout with you uh let's start with that how how how'd we do I was super impressed.

Speaker 12 One, with the effort,

Speaker 1 the energy, and the enthusiasm.

Speaker 12 All right.

Speaker 1 That was no basketball skills. I like that.

Speaker 1 Just the effort, energy, enthusiasm. The three E's, you brought it.

Speaker 12 And then the fourth E, you guys executed. Okay.

Speaker 1 We put in a play.

Speaker 12 You guys executed. You had good reads.

Speaker 12 We kind of lacked ball skills. Yep.

Speaker 1 True. Yep.

Speaker 12 We for sure lacked shooting. Yep.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 These are, now, would you say criticism? Yeah, would you say shooting the basketball is important in basketball? Not that important. I mean,

Speaker 1 just a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 5 The meanest thing that you said was, I think you were trying to be nice, but the fact that you were impressed with us, you were surprised. And

Speaker 5 that really speaks poorly to what you thought of us going into this workout.

Speaker 12 Well, I hadn't seen, you know,

Speaker 12 I hadn't had the ability to really scout you guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's actually our secret weapon.
People don't know how unathletic we are.

Speaker 12 Yeah, so it would be hard to

Speaker 1 surprise you. It's hard to put a practice plan together.
And it's hard to coach.

Speaker 12 You guys were fairly easy to coach, great coachability, but that usually happens, like lack of skill, really coachable, and then super skilled and maybe not so easy to coach.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's perfect that we have you on the show because we were in Southern California for Grit Week.

Speaker 5 There were a few people that were pointing out that maybe it's hard to be gritty in Southern California. It's too nice, but you are a perfect example.

Speaker 5 So can you teach us how to maintain our grit while living in 73-degree weather year-round?

Speaker 12 Well, I think it's all about where you are. You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 So like if you're between the lines in the Galen Center, you got to have grit, you know, and then maybe tonight at the Manhattan Beach Pier, you don't really need the grit, you know?

Speaker 12 And so it's all about your environment and where you're at at the time. Yeah.
You know, but you don't need grit 24-7, right? You just need it when you're competing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And you are a gritty coach.
You know, your teams always play very hard,

Speaker 1 you know, always running. So what is it like when you when you get guys and you're like, hey, we're going to run, I'm I'm going to expect the most out of you.
How do you get that out of guys?

Speaker 12 I think the big thing is it's like starts in the recruiting process.

Speaker 12 You know, like you got to go recruit and get guys that kind of fit your style, fit your system, fit the identity that you want to play. It's kind of hard to change guys.

Speaker 12 You can tweak it, get them to step over the line a little bit more than maybe where they are. And that all comes with player development and buy-in.
You know, it's hard to run.

Speaker 12 You know, everybody says they want to run. And then you're like, hey, here's the commitment that it takes to play with some some pace, to play with defensive intensity.

Speaker 12 And then all of a sudden, guys might not want to do that.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 How do you get that? How do you get the conditioning?

Speaker 1 What's the conditioning drill that you do to get your guys to a point where it's like they're going to be able to outrun and outlast the other team?

Speaker 12 Yep. So the first thing we do is there's a mile test that you have to pass.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 12 And if you do not pass the mile, you have to do it again like two or three days later.

Speaker 1 What's the passing time?

Speaker 12 So it's 5.30 for the Gorge.

Speaker 1 Okay. 5.30.
Okay. I'm out.
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 12 It is.

Speaker 12 Can you use a bike?

Speaker 1 Huh?

Speaker 5 Can we ride a bike?

Speaker 1 You could. Okay.
All right. I could go.
Yeah. Beach cruiser.
Okay.

Speaker 12 And then it's 5.45 for the wings. Okay.
And then 5.55 for the bigs, the fours and fives.

Speaker 1 Damn. Yeah.
That's really fast.

Speaker 5 And then what happens after that?

Speaker 1 After they pass the streets.

Speaker 12 Once you pass, you're good to go. Okay.
And then we have a conditioning test that is in the gym with the strength coach that we've taken from the Miami Heat. Coach Riley did it.
Coach

Speaker 12 Spolster did it, or does it.

Speaker 12 And then they got to do that with the strength coach. And what's that? That's a sideline-to-sideline thing that I let him kind of run on dictate.

Speaker 12 And they'll do that when they, so we just finished our eight-week segment. We did the mile.
Everybody passed but two guys. So when they come back, they'll continue to try to work on the mile.

Speaker 12 The rest of the team, when they come back, they'll do this Miami heat conditioning in the gym. So it starts on the track and then it evolves onto the court.

Speaker 5 I noticed in your your evaluation of us, you didn't mention if we had aura. Is that part of your evaluation process?

Speaker 1 Aura. Yeah, do we have Aura, Mojo?

Speaker 12 Yeah, I thought there was a lot of confidence. You know,

Speaker 12 maybe at a few of the positions, too much confidence,

Speaker 12 but certainly swag.

Speaker 12 I would say the swag was there.

Speaker 12 That would be the biggest thing, you know, is you guys walked out there like you belonged.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 You know, and that's half the battle. You got to look good in the layup line.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's also insanity thinking that we belong out there.

Speaker 1 Probably.

Speaker 1 Probably. Yeah.
I did. When we went into the practice facility, I hit like four threes in a row.
And then one of your assistant coaches gave me a bad pass, and I missed the next like 10.

Speaker 1 And I was like, that bad pass probably ended my career. Yeah, you know.
Because I was kind of in a point where I was like, if Musk gets a look at this, like, he's going to be like, damn.

Speaker 12 You know, the deal, Big Hat, never shoot a bad pass.

Speaker 1 Oh. I like that.

Speaker 12 You got to remember that, whether you're watching an NBA game, it's really hard to make a shot off a bad pass. So

Speaker 12 you should have thrown it back to the assistant coach and said, hey, man, hit me in the chest, hit me in my shooting pocket, get your stuff together. Yeah.
Because that's not on you.

Speaker 1 That's the shot. Okay, so maybe I'm back.
Yeah, you're back. Yeah.
All right. So we have our listener submitted grit questions.
Hank has them.

Speaker 1 Hank will fire them off and we'll answer them to the best of them.

Speaker 12 Hank did have grit today, too. Yeah.
I mean, when he dove on the floor, he showed great.

Speaker 1 I can't wait till people see this video. We were flopping all over the floor.
Max, maybe some butt crack. We'll have to.

Speaker 1 There was some big-time butt crack for for Max. Yeah, Huey.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Huey with an all-time hustle play, chasing down that loose ball.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 12 All the way into the stands. All the way into the stands.

Speaker 1 He went a couple more. Oh, that was incredible.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, Hank.

Speaker 5 Is Grit and Moxie the same thing?

Speaker 1 Having Moxie in the pocket or having Grit on the line, are they the same? Ooh. I think Mojo, Kyoch also showed us the Mojo plays.

Speaker 1 And like Mojo, Grit, Aura, I feel like it's all kind of the same.

Speaker 1 I don't think Grit and Moxie are the same.

Speaker 1 I actually don't agree with you.

Speaker 5 yeah i don't think that you can have aura and grit at the same time i think they're mutually exclusive yeah moxie is like

Speaker 1 you can have grit in moxie i don't know but if you have moxie i don't know if you have grit yeah like in in football terms i'd say that drew lock has moxie right and like taysom hill has grit yeah so what would you rather have in in a guy you're recruiting a moxie or grit Both.

Speaker 1 You need the combination? Yeah. How many grit guys, if you have a 12-man roster, how many grit guys you need? How many Moxie guys do you need?

Speaker 12 I don't think you can have a lot of Moxie guys.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 12 So I would say Moxie guys, three. Okay.
Right. And the rest, Grit.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then you're going to win.
I think that's right, because if you have too many Moxie guys, everyone, there's only one ball. Everyone knows.
Egos. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Moxie, there's a little ego involved. Yeah, right.
Grit's just toughness. You're like a sewer rat.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But how good is it? You do need, the one thing I love about basketball is you do need at least one guy on the roster who thinks he's just never going to miss, right? Oh, no question. Yeah.

Speaker 12 You got to have a guy that's just got unbelievable confidence.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like too much confidence where you're like, he's actually insane, but you need that. No doubt.
Yeah. Good question.

Speaker 1 As an avid pickup basketball player, what's a good way for me to consistently be the grittiest guy out there?

Speaker 12 Floor burns. Yeah.

Speaker 12 I mean, it's a little hard if you're not.

Speaker 1 You can just pick up basketball, though.

Speaker 1 You're diving on the floor and pick up basketball.

Speaker 12 I mean, nobody wants to do that. Okay.
You know, so if you can do that or forget diving on the floor, then it's all about when the ball's in the air.

Speaker 1 How many loose balls can you get long rebounds balls that are floating around can you get those yeah it's like a receiver you think every every rebound when the ball is in the air that's your ball yeah go get it i i personally so wait what was the exact question how can you be the bet the most grit what's a good way for me to consistently be the grittiest guy out there so the two tips i would give is uh you want to save your energy so always uh try to correct the score every time down be like hey hold up check ball who what's the score again and then uh use your timeouts.

Speaker 1 So the timeout will always stop the game for at least 30 seconds. Everyone will be like, dude, there's no timeouts in pickup.
And then you get your breath back a little bit. Just yell ball.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 When people are shooting. Yeah.

Speaker 12 If you call a timeout, though, and you're playing with the wrong guys and pickup ball, especially if it's outdoor, you might.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. But listen, the timeout, everyone looks around.
They're like, what are you doing calling a timeout? Because then you get your breath back. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I called a timeout today during practice. The mic, yeah, when we were getting mic'd up, that saved me.
Yeah, right. It's all about that.
That can maximize your your grit.

Speaker 1 Can you please ask Muss what grit means to him when it comes to what makes a great walk-on?

Speaker 1 Oh, does he have any good stories from walk-on tryouts, specifically at Nevada and a walk-on's abilities to juggle and ride a unicycle?

Speaker 1 Also, does he have any good Gilbert Arenas or Ron Artest stories?

Speaker 1 Oh, good question.

Speaker 12 So, where do you want me to start? Just with the walk-on here,

Speaker 1 yeah, what grit means to him when it comes to what makes a great walk-on.

Speaker 12 Yeah, a great walk-on. First of all, a great walk-on's got to be the grittiest guy on the team.

Speaker 12 There's no questions about that.

Speaker 1 Or the coach's son. Or the coach's son.
That'll work too.

Speaker 1 Or grandson.

Speaker 12 But I would say,

Speaker 12 you know, a great walk-on story, right? Was that part of the question?

Speaker 1 Yeah, something about, I think, I'm guessing that he's talking about himself.

Speaker 1 Specifically at Nevada and a walk-on's ability is to juggle and ride a unicycle. What was this guy's name? It doesn't have his name.
So was there a walk-on at Nevada that

Speaker 12 we did a pre-game warm-up at Nevada, which was we had a guy that rode a unicycle and juggled.

Speaker 1 So this is this is his question for sure.

Speaker 12 So we had a walk-on tryout at Nevada, and one of the assistant coaches was really serious. He was having him do ball handling shooting.

Speaker 12 All I wanted was a walk-on who could ride the unicycle for the pregame warm-up. So I kind of stopped the thing and go, hey, let's stop with the basketball stuff.

Speaker 12 I just want to find a guy that can juggle and ride a unicycle for this warm-up.

Speaker 1 You want his red panda on the team. Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 Do you ever have walk-ons that try too hard in practice, or is that not a thing?

Speaker 12 Oh, no, for sure.

Speaker 1 Great question. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah, because if you got a walk-on who's too excited and really, you know, like, you don't want an injury, right? You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 And a lot of walk-ons oftentimes are smaller, maybe not as skilled, not as athletic. You don't want to walk on like hard foul, Bill Lambie or hard fouls on one of your better players.

Speaker 12 So you do have to tell some walk-ons like, hey, man, chill, or you're only on the scout team. You only need to go like 50% right now.
We're not going, you know. Yeah.

Speaker 5 What if you're playing against a team like, I don't know, Houston comes to mind, or a team that's just going to absolutely shove you around and be physical?

Speaker 5 Do you then tell your practice team, like, hey, we need to actually dial it up with the intensity? We need to be a little bit more physical.

Speaker 12 Yeah, we haven't played Houston, but if you're playing Calvin Sampson's team, yeah,

Speaker 12 I'd probably throw seven walk-ons out there

Speaker 12 and have our guys try to guard guard five, five on seven, and put seven scout team guys going to the offensive glass because that's what it looks like when Houston, when a shot goes up, like their best offense is a missed shot.

Speaker 12 So, yeah, we would probably over-exaggerate what we would have to do to try to take away their offensive rebounding game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. And then what was it, Ronner Tester, Gilbert Arenas?

Speaker 1 So do you have any good stories about them?

Speaker 12 I mean, there's so many with both of them.

Speaker 1 So you were an assistant coach when they were on what teams?

Speaker 12 No, I I was a head coach

Speaker 12 with Gilbert Arenas his second year

Speaker 12 playing for the Warriors. He didn't play much his first year.
I got hired as the head coach. And probably about the second or third practice, about 15 minutes in, I don't ever leave practice.

Speaker 12 I left practice, went upstairs. The GM was Gary St.
Gene. I'm like, this guy down here is an all-star.

Speaker 12 He's going to be a bona fide all-star. He was so talented, could go get his own shot whenever he wanted.

Speaker 12 So that's the one thing that, and then with Ron Artest, I mean, it was, it was every game. I was the head coach of the Kings.

Speaker 12 First close game we had, right? It's like 15 seconds left. We call a timeout.
We're playing in Milwaukee. Ron comes sprinting up to me.
Coach, what are we doing?

Speaker 12 The Kings need a basket and we're down one against Milwaukee Bucks. I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 He goes, get the ball to Ron Artest.

Speaker 1 That's a good answer. I'm like, all right, let's get the ball to run.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Gilbert Renas, he's one of those guys that had unbelievable confidence in himself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did. And he could back it up.
Yeah. Yeah.
He really could.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Unbelievable player.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, last one.
What, who's your favorite or player with most grit from your time at Arkansas? Ooh.

Speaker 12 That's a, yeah, that's a tough one. I would say we had a lot of guys at Arkansas that had grit, but I would say the one guy and he kind of changed our season was a guy named Trey Wade.

Speaker 12 And And

Speaker 12 he was a guy that just kind of stuck with it. And

Speaker 12 we had some other more offensively talented players. But as soon as we added him in the lineup, our team took off.
We made an elite eight, beat Gonzaga, who was, you know, number one at the time.

Speaker 12 And Trey Wade was the grittiest guy. He was six foot five and a half, six, six.
He ended up guarding Shed Holmgren, did a great job of doing all the dirty things. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, your teams are great tournament teams.
I mean, I loved the Nevada teams, were so much fun to watch. I mean, I've told Ruda a bunch, but like, I would, I would stay up.

Speaker 1 We were living in New York at the time. I'd stay up 11 o'clock tip off in New York time.
She'd be like, got to watch Muss's guys, got to watch the Martins going crazy. Hitting every three.

Speaker 12 Super talented team.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And how are we feeling about this upcoming season for USC? Yeah,

Speaker 12 we had finished our eight-week summer session. It was unbelievable.
Got great chemistry. Guys really get along.

Speaker 12 We lack certain things, but we know what areas. You know, we're

Speaker 12 like at that center spot. We don't have a lot of depth.
So we're going to have to play small ball. Those are some of the things that we're trying to figure out.

Speaker 12 We've had a lot of injuries, but there are injuries that everybody should heal.

Speaker 12 But this will be a great experiment. Like we're going to have to win off grit.
We're going to have to win off togetherness. We're going to have to win off team chemistry.

Speaker 12 We're going to have to win off having a better locker room than the other team team as far as being together.

Speaker 12 Because there are going to be some teams that probably have a little bit more talent in certain areas or certain positions, but it's a team that's super fun to coach.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 You guys got a theme for this year or something that you're hammering home to the team? Like, this is going to be your motto moving forward?

Speaker 12 Yeah, we don't have one yet. It's interesting you bring that up because we've talked about it.
We wanted to go through the summer.

Speaker 12 We got a two-week break where we need to come up with a hashtag or a theme or, you know, and then we got to be all about it.

Speaker 12 It's one thing to put it on a wall or put it on a shirt, but then how do you execute that identity? Yeah, it's got to match up.

Speaker 5 It's got to match up. You got to spend some time like meditating on it.
Let it come to you.

Speaker 1 Let the universe speak it right into existence. And welcome to the Big Ten.
It's tough basketball.

Speaker 12 Tough basketball. Tough basketball.

Speaker 12 Physical league, really hard to win on the road in this league.

Speaker 12 And then you think about the travel that USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington, you know, we have to go through the three time zones way more than the other. You know, they come up to us once

Speaker 12 and we got to go there four times. Yeah.
So it's how you manage that is super important. We've tried to study.
We've a couple weeks ago, we were over with the Rams asking them how they travel.

Speaker 12 When do you leave for a Sunday game? If it's an afternoon game,

Speaker 12 what time do you want to arrive at the hotel? Do you try to

Speaker 12 change your sleep habits or do you stay the same? And so all those things. It's going to be like for us, quite frankly, the first year, we're going to be learning on the fly.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm excited, though. Um, coach, you're the best.
We're going to finish off. We got we guess a number.

Speaker 1 We have a lottery ball machine in our office, um, so we don't have it here, but we do random number generators. So, I want you to any number from uh one to a hundred, guess whatever you want.

Speaker 1 I'll let you start. We're all gonna guess a number and then we're gonna we're gonna randomly generate it.
Perfect. So, what's your number? 13.
13.

Speaker 1 17.

Speaker 1 8. I'll go 20.
You guys want memes got three? 42. Max?

Speaker 1 11.

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1-1.

Speaker 5 Is that exciting?

Speaker 1 I mean, I wish somebody was. Really hard to explain it.
That would have been exciting.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it would have been.

Speaker 1 It's all right. You got to get better.
Yes. Yeah, you got to get better.

Speaker 1 We all got to get better, right?

Speaker 1 Next time, guess the right number.

Speaker 1 No question. Yeah, work with me.
No excuses, right? Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, thank you so much, guys.
Thank you guys.

Speaker 12 It was awesome.

Speaker 1 Great day.

Speaker 12 Appreciate you having us on. Yes.

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