Greg Olsen, Celtics Take Game 2, SCF G1 And Vanny Woodhead Is Back

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On today's Pardon My Take, the Celtics have a commanding 2-0 lead over the Mavericks. We're going to talk about Game 2 that we just watched.
We had Game 1 of the Stanley Cup Final. Goalie Bob stood on his head.
We have a great interview with our long time friend

Greg Olson getting ready for TEU. And we got some other sports to talk about.
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The crown is yours. Today is Monday, June 10th, and Hank is bopping around.
The Celtics are up 2-0. Congratulations, Hank.
Thank you. Your team is so much better than the Mavs.
Yeah, they are. They are a way better team.
Great team win. Not even really close.
So you're up 2-0 right now. 92.6% of the time, the team that goes up 2-0 in the NBA playoffs ends up closing it out.
And in the NBA Finals, it is 86.1% of the time. So you guys are looking pretty good right now.
Where were you for the Drew Holiday game game that was crazy because they basically the the broadcasting booth was like the celtics have the best backcourt one of the best backcourts of all time with jalen brown and jason tatum and drew holiday and and derrick white were incredible tonight they have derrick white is their fourth i mean with a healthy porzingis derrick white is their fourth or fifth option and he he was, like, imagine having that on your team. They're just such a good team.
One of the all-time blocks in playoff history. I'm trying to think of some of the other chase-down blocks that have occurred in the finals.
That one, it really is the one that jumps to mind. Although you will have losers every time you talk about that block that will say it was a foul.
Just tune the haters out. It might have been a foul, but who cares? They didn't call it.
They didn't call it, right? It was, yeah, Drew Holiday was out of his mind. Derek White was huge.
Jason Tatum, I know he didn't shoot well, but he played an incredible all-around game, rebounding, assists. He was one rebound away from a triple-double.
He really wanted that rebound. He's also being guarded in a way that, you know, I mean, like he – I think if you could make any critique on Jason Tatum, it's weird that he's missing some of his layups, but everything else, like he's getting double teamed.
He's making the right pass. And he, you know, like his, the focus that they put on him opens up everyone else.
And he had a great game, even though he didn't shoot well. I have a fun stat for you, Big Cat, about Jason Tatum and his shooting woes.
The Celtics in the playoffs, when Tatum shoots beneath 50% this year, they're 6-0. Yeah, I think he realizes when he doesn't have his, you know.
Well, they've only lost two games. That's true.
His A game, he does a great job facilitating. I'm trying to gas Hank up because I want cockier Hank.
Does Jason Kidd go into the next press conference saying Drew Holiday is their best player? He's going to have to. He's going to have to do something.
That was a that was it was it was basically like uh we're already out of this i need to just like empty the tank yeah it was desperate it was anything i can because we're not going to beat them you know straight up so set the table if you if you didn't hear jason kidd in a press conference said yeah jalen brown he's a great player he's their best player and uh it was very much designed to get i don't know maybe like tatum reaching for something or jalen brown like in his own head he was trying to pull a move like a psychology move like phil jackson used to do but it does feel like it's too early in the series to break out the big guns and it also feels like it's three years too late yeah that's a narrative that they've been dealing with right their entire tenure together and there was probably some some truth to it a few years ago, but they've been through wars and the maturity. I mean, you saw Jason Tatum.
He did not shoot well tonight, but he still was super impactful. And that's the difference in maturity and where they are as a team.
They're just way better than the Mavs. And then on the Mavs side, Kyrie Irving, Luka can't do much more.
That first half, he was out of control, and he ran out of gas a little bit. And it was also smart.
The Celtics basically played him one-on-one for a long time, and they're like, all right, now we're going to double him. No one's in a feel for the game.
And they just attack him on offense every single possession.

But Kyrie, that's the difference.

Kyrie, you are supposed to be one of the best players on the court,

and through two games you have not.

When Luka comes out, Kyrie has to be the guy,

and he hasn't been even close to the guy.

0-12 since he stomped on Lucky.

Do you feel that Kyrie is, though,

kind of delivering on his promise to bring a championship to Boston? Because he is. He kind of is.
Like the way he's playing. Yeah, no, he's playing terrible.
I mean, he's not shooting well. He wasn't even like a factor.
It felt like for half the game, like he just disappeared. He hasn't made a single three point shot yet.
So I think he's what? 0 for 8 from 3 right now. And somebody needs to like snap Kyrie out of this because we've been talking, we've been glazing Kyrie a lot these playoffs talking about how mature he's gotten and how it's interesting how he's like found a fit on a team and he's not causing any division he needs to get weird with it Kyrie needs to get back like has Kyrie gotten too mature is a question we should be asked I do think I just could just be dumb dumb sports fan take but I do think there is something to the fact that Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum played him one-on-one in practice all the time for years, and it's like that they probably feel a lot more comfortable going up against him because they know his bag.
Obviously, he's one of the best players in the world, but they've been in those situations day in and day out, and you can see when they play that it doesn't matter who's guarding them. They're ready to face the challenge.
You know what they're really good at doing? I saw this from Tatum and from Jalen Brown tonight. They can time when Kyrie does the like almost fake spin and they poke their hand on the backside as the ball is coming up.
And it's like a very, very small window that you have to hit with them. But they both do have that timed out.
Yeah. I mean the Celtics defense has been incredible.
They can't – the role players for the Mavs can't get any of their shots off. Like, you know, Luka – they're basically like, Luka's going to do what he does and we can live with that because no one else is going to be able to do anything because we can guard everyone else one-on-one and have no problem.
And, like, every guy can play defense on their team. And Kyrie is just – yeah, I mean, he's just been completely shut down.

Luke had eight turnovers.

Like, that's how good the Celtics defense has been.

They're just a better team front to back, back to front.

The only bad thing that happened tonight was Porzingis looked like he got hurt again,

and Max was celebrating before the podcast.

Yeah, we walked in and Max goes, oh, Porzingis got hurt. Let's go.
This is that is we have. Let's play the audio.
We have. Yeah, this is out of context.
This is out of context. Let's go.
Pershingus kind of got hurt tonight. No, you're gaslighting.
You're gaslighting. No, I'm continuing.
I didn't have the cans on. I just heard everybody say, wow, Max just was celebrating that Christophe's got injured.
I was not celebrating. Let's go.
Me and memes do a very poor job of updating the hurt or injured board behind Hank, and I realized that we did not update it before this game, so I turned to Hank and to memes. I was like, oh, nice.
Porzingis actually got hurt, so it's not outdated. That sounds like celebrating to me.
That's not what you said, though. You said, oh, nice.
Porzingis got hurt again. Let's go.
Shane, let's do a quote card. Oh, nice, Porzingis got hurt again.
That was only because it was like. Let's go.
Don't forget the let's go. It was only because of the context of the hurt or injured board because I forgot to update it.
But it updated. It kind of updated itself.
We don't celebrate injuries on this podcast, Max. It's not an injury.
That wasn't an injury. That was legitimately just a...
You were happy that he was injured. Max.
For the sake of that one thing. And he's not really injured.
He's going to play next game. It doesn't matter.
He's going to play and he's going to be fine next game. Max, you know what you need to transition your brain to because this series...
The Celtics are just better. Yeah, no, this is over.
So you need... I'm over.
Jason Tatum just needs to play horribly. That's all I care about.
He sucks. You guys were sucking his dick.
He sucked tonight. I mean, he didn't suck.
He's terrified. He was terrified to shoot the ball tonight.
His shooting has been bad. It's weird.
It's weird. He had open looks at the rim, and then he would just pass out every time.
It was weird. I mean, he did have, like, what, 12 assists? Yeah, but there were times where he had the easier shot and he just didn't take it okay so Max what you need to transition to because you are the biggest Hank hater on the podcast which is actually there is competition for that and you take the cake PFT and I do try to try to vie for that every now and then it's like one of those Loki loki loki memes is the biggest hangout oh yeah no means it's one of those interactive graphics where it shows like you know uh like followers year over year yeah like points leaders in their home run leaders in the in major league baseball and it just you know every now and then it will be pft or me or memes will pop up but you stay up there you.
You never leave it for very long. Hank's such a dick to me whenever my team loses, but his team just fucking wins.
I would be nice to you if they won, though. That's true.
No, Hank, he's a very, very gracious friend when your teams end up winning. You need to root for a suite because Friday night would be game four and we would basically be old news when we record on Sunday.
I mean, I don't care anymore. Max, as a hater of Hank, which would you be rooting for harder? Kristaps Przingis to be injured and out for the rest of the— Wait, wait.
Let me finish the fucking question, Max. The other.
Hank is loving this. Okay.
Or Luka's rib injury to be severe, severe, and he can't play for the rest of the series. That way you can tell Hank that's a Mickey Mouse championship.
Well, I can put it on. Flag flag forever.
I said that. Yeah, he did.
He said that to me before. He said he hoped that Luka was out.
Oh, my God. He wanted Luka to be out for the rest of the series.
He was rooting for injuries. Yeah.
He wanted Luka to be out for the rest of the series. It doesn't matter who it is.
What do you have against Europeans? Oh, that's a good question. Oh, yeah, that's a good point.
Slovenia. Nothing.
I just, like, I don't know. This is bullshit.
This isn't even fun. None of these guys are even Italian.
Yeah. Yeah, they're fake Italian.
Gallinari would never. Another fun fact about this Celtics team, Hank.
They are now 13-0 on Sundays. That is a very fun fact.
Crazy. Game 7.
Game 7 would be a Sunday. Yeah.
It's not going to get... I don't think...
I mean, if they don't win game... If the Mavs don't win game 3, it's sweet.
Yeah, I'd agree. I'd say that anything less than...
If it goes 6 games, that's a big disappointment. I wouldn't even give the Celtics a championship if they wouldn't.
I mean, the Mavs role players, they're also going to make shots, but the Celtics also, their bad shooting game, you knew they were going to have one. Yeah, and this was the one.
And they won. What are they, 26% from three? Yeah, and they even had Peyton Pritchard throwing in that half-court shot.
That was huge. It was beautiful.
I will agree with Max that Tatum, yes, he had a great statistical game, and he did really well in terms of his passing. They're triple-teaming him.
Everybody touches the ball. They're putting a lot of focus on him.
He's passing up open shots. It's in his head.
He had 13 assists. He's thinking about it.
You said it yourself. While we were watching the game, you were like, I don't know why he's not taking that.
There was a couple, but it's not a problem. because you're someone you won by 15 points it's not a problem someone who thinks that tatum is overrated by just by sitting next to hank when he said that tatum was better than luca i i tatum played well tonight like he didn't shoot well but he the impact he had on the game was significant yeah but you can't say that you watch that game and you like that looks like a guy a guy who was like, wanted.
And the game was close at times. Remember game 7 versus Philly when he was terrible and then he just took over in the fourth quarter? This year.
But if you take him out of that game, it's a completely different Celtics team because it can't. Like, he makes so much and his rebounding is so good and like, there's just, there's so many more parts of the game I I agree that his shot looks

off yes and that's all I'm saying and it's more his layups have not been going in like they usually do but everything else he's done he does is winning basketball yeah right right now he would be if you were to rank your in NBA finals MVPs for the Celtics what would he be fourth um I don't know, almost getting a triple-double today.

I mean, that would be, fourth would

seem, I mean, you can't do it after two games. It's pretty close, yeah.
I mean, it's probably Jalen. I mean, Drew.
Porzingis would get some votes. Yeah, Jalen, Porzingis, Drew.
I mean, it's two games, so it's like... It shows how good there are as a full team.
Yeah, there's so many guys on this team. Brad Stevens should get the NBA MVP.
Lucky. Lucky should get MVP consideration.
Kyrie, yeah, this is the Kyrie story arc, just having like a renaissance this entire spring. But you know what I'm saying? When they talk to him about Boston, he sounds like very mature.
Like, I love the city. There's still a lot of people up there that I really care about.
And yeah, it didn't go the way we wanted, but sometimes things in life, it's too much perspective. I want to hear the Kyrie hatred for Boston.
Yeah. He's gotten too mature.
Yeah. I want him to get- I mean, that's the- What would you do if you tried to disrespect the entire city and then was 0-13 against them since then? Is it 0-13? Mm-hmm.
Wow. Tip my hat and say, they're my daddy.
The old Pedro. Damn.
0-13? That's crazy. Luka is hurt as well, but I don't really know.
He's an all-time hurt when he's missing shots.

He did the Big Ben.

Feeling good.

He just runs out of gas, too.

He was just out of gas. He did the Big Ben.

He had his knee iced up.

He had his ribs iced up.

Did you see the big wrap that they put around his torso?

It was like something that you put on a stabbing victim.

It was wild.

We need a flow chart.

Luka hits incredible shot, and then it leads to talking shit to someone sitting in the first 10 rows. Luca misses shot.
Oh my God, is he out for the series? Yeah. That's it.
Every single time. He got into it with one of the Celtics owners, I think.
Yeah. Sitting in the front row and they started jawing at it.
I did like the Celtics fan rubbing his belly during Luca's free throws. What's up with Luca and Jalen Brown just like being incredible offensive players and not being able to hit free throws.
Jalen Brown hasn't been that bad in the finals, but it's weird. Luka makes even less.
Luka makes some of the hardest shots ever, and then he gets to the free throw line, and it's like, what is going on? You know how we're saying that some players should just take a couple steps back? Like if you're goalie and you're really good at shooting threes, shoot from the top of the key. What Lucas should do, first, he should try to dunk a free throw.
I think that is in the rules. The second thing he should do is try to do a fadeaway.
Well, he actually just needs maybe one of his teammates to just stand behind him. Yeah.
Like stand like – because you know that shot he makes where he gets a guy on his hip and he just makes that every single time. He needs a teammate to just stand on his hip, and he kind of can lean away from it and hit it every time.
And maybe almost foul him. Yeah, right.
And then Luka can complain about getting fouled on a foul shot. On a foul shot, yeah.
I think we solved it. Hank, you're as happy as you can be.
You deserve it. Well, you don't deserve it.
No, I think I do. You don't deserve it.
Oh, I hate you. I hate this smile.
This is, this is me bringing it's bring me to Max's side very quickly seeing this little grin on your face. Your happiness is deserved.
You don't deserve it personally, but your happiness is been a long time. It's been a long time and it's not over.
It's only two games. Oh, come on.
So there's work to be done. 86% Hank.
There's just, I'm done with cocky Hank. I don't need him to be any more cocky than he is right now.
What are you talking about? Like, yes, the Mavs could win a game. Yes, they could even win two games.
They could win the next two games. You still wouldn't be that nervous.
Two games would be a little bit, depending on how they went. But no, yeah, you're right.
Like, the Celtics shot like shit tonight, and they had that game in full control for the entire second half.

The only time that the Mavs looked like they were going to maybe win this game was when Luka was just hitting absolutely everything in the first half.

Their role players have been non-existent.

Not good.

Well, they could have been in it if they called that foul on the chase down block.

Yeah, Max Schieber, I don't know.

I mean, I know he was hurt, but he doesn't want to shoot.

Non-Luka guys were 2-for-17 from 3 tonight.

2-for-17.

And one of those was Dante Exum.

One of those was Dante Exum.

I thought we were going to have the Dante Exum game.

Yeah, he was 1-for-1.

He was actually their best player tonight.

Beast.

Build the whole team out of Dante.

He was a plus 4.

He actually was their only... P.J.
Washington was plus two but dante hexam was plus four led the led the team more minutes southern's going seven point favorites at home to two point dogs on the road i think that's just desperation like they just you know you'd think that the mavs going home they have some pride there's gonna be not but i feel like tonight was the off night for the except for Drew going home, they have some pride.

But I feel like tonight was the off night for the Sunday,

except for Drew Holiday.

He was 11 for 14.

He was insane.

Because Tatum was just giving him.

Like, Tatum got him so many open looks.

How stupid are the Bucs?

So stupid. That really is.

And I know that Giannis got hurt in the playoffs, but still.

Like, how stupid?

How stupid? I mean, he's an elite defender. And he has games like this where it's like he doesn't have to be the number.
He's never going to have to be the number one option on offense, but he has games where he can play like the number one option. And him and Porzingis have experience in their careers taking on more of a significant role.
So when they have to step up, they're not going to shy away from it and be like, I'm a role player. Well, maybe not Porzingis, but...

He was the first...

I mean, he was the two-year-old guy in New York.

This was his first...

Game one was his first game after the first round.

No, I'm just saying as a player on a team.

Oh, yeah.

It's like a star.

Being the number one option.

You know you have to score 30 if your team's going to win. He's clearly the guy.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's true.
Okay. Anything else? I mean, Hank, you just...
Congrats, man. Yeah.
Life is great. Congrats.
It's really good. Life is great for you.
Nothing bad's going to happen after this. Now, you've got to wait.
You've got to wait until Wednesday. But you've got Brady Day on Wednesday.
Yeah. You're going to meet Brady.
You're doing the past and the future. All in one day.
What a day for you. How many minutes do you think you're going to get with Tom? I have no idea.
I don't even know if we're going to meet him, to be honest. You're going to go celebrate a guy who won you six Super Bowls and then at night watch Max just took off his headphones.
Tom's probably going to be like, hey, Hank, what are we watching the game tonight? Put your headphones back on. You're the producer of this podcast.
Produce. He's pointing to memes.
He's passing the ball. You just couldn't have me just say that one set the stage for Hank that one night.
I mean, Boston's, I fucking hate that. It's bullshit.
Hank has his, he just can't, he cannot take that smile off his face. I need the Phillies to win the World Series.
Yeah, the Phillies were great today. I mean, they lost one game.
Yeah, that was a pretty big game. It was a London series.
London Sunday morning game. No one will lose the London series.
Nine game lead. Celtics would never lose on a Sunday morning.
Every single team that's lost a London game has not gone on to win the World Series. That's a fact.
I think that's a fact. That's a fact.
Right? Getting doubled up on the last play. Who's played in the London Series? You could say the same thing about any team that's won the London Series.
What? Has never gone on to win the World Series. Yeah, playing in the London Series means you won't win the World Series.
Yeah, the Mets are not going to win the World Series. But if they won today, you could have just said the same thing.
You're out, though. You shouldn't have played in the London series.
Yeah. They're going to lose to the Cubs in the first round of the playoffs.
Every time. They're going to lose to who? The Cubs.
And it's going to be the worst. The Cubs aren't making the playoffs, buddy.
They're in it right now. Dude, they stink.
The pitching is good, though. Yeah.
But they can't fucking hit for shit. Yeah, because the wild card, the stupid wild card.
Make a move at the deadline. Yeah, we'll make a move at the deadline.
Get some bullpen depth. You're right.
That's my biggest nightmare. I keep thinking about it.
By the way, can we say real quick, Jazu, because we're on baseball. You're at it.
Scoobal Cy Young. Scoobal Cy Young.
Also, bad sports town Philly. Scoobal Cy Youngung he's been incredible live and that guy who gave me the tip

when we did the cheesesteak pass out at detroit he just handed me a piece of paper said take scoobal syung uh because i said scoobal syung and then i had multiple i think it was two or three phillies fans reply ranger suarez but that's it's really tough to not know that they give out two Cyanox.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

That's tough.

That's tough.

Very tough.

Very, very tough. I mean, Philly fans, I mean, sometimes we're not the smartest people on the earth.
There's just one guy just being like, it's already locked up. Rachel swore.
It's like, buddy, I hope you're sitting down. They give two of these out every single year.
If Kyrie does the I brought a championship to Boston, that's exactly what Bryce Harper did when he signed with the Phillies. He said, I've been looking forward to bringing a championship to Washington, D.C.
Yeah. Crazy, right? He's fulfilling the prophecy.
All roads lead back to the Phillies. The Harper slide yesterday was so sick.
What's up with him drinking vodka? We're done talking about baseball. We were currently talking about baseball.
The city of Philadelphia has driven Bryce Harper to drink vodka in the dugout.

Is that what I'm saying?

He doesn't drink.

I know he's a Mormon.

I think it's one of those Homer juice things where you do something good

and they hand you a fake bottle of liquor.

Yeah, probably.

Hank, what's better, winning Banner 18 or just being around Max

and watching just the pain and torture going through his body at all times. Banner 18, but you get the runoff forever.
Whenever I see him, I'll get all the merch. Oh, yeah.
Where would you rank this championship when the Celtics do win? Is that in your top 10 of Boston championships? Yeah. Top five? It's up to them.
The Celtics are my favorite team as a Boston sports fan. It must be hard to have just one.
I was only a freshman when they won in high school. I wasn't fully developed.
My frontal lobe is all the way there now. Oh, it is? Yeah.
That's news to us. Really? It'll be nice as an adult if they do win.
Is it the first Boston championship that you can truly remember? Celtics. Well, no, I remember the

front of lobe. Your week

is incredible.

You just go blue tomorrow.

You have a golf day tomorrow and then you just go

straight to Boston. Mandatory golf day.

Yeah.

That's why he's rooting so hard for holiday.

Reminds me of vacation.

The truth.

Yeah, who came up with that one? I think Pilar. It's fire.
Okay. Drush the process.
The Stanley Cup final started. They did.
And goalie Bob stood on his fucking head. Unreal.
Unreal. 32 shots, 32 saves.
It reminded me of Nick Turani when he made that save where he was coming across and did a cartwheel. Wild move.
He even had a save where maybe multiple saves without a stick. Yeah.
He was just unconscious. Yeah.
I feel like Edmonton might be the better team, but it doesn't matter. Didn't matter that night.
They outshot him. They looked like the better team, but it's just like you have the better goalie, and goalie Bob was just insane.
Not that Skinner played poorly, but it was just an all-time Stanley Cup performance

to shut them down.

And we also got, did you see Chicklets?

Yep.

Got the Oilers fan, the exclusive.

I heard she's dating R.A.

Yeah, I heard that as well.

Long distance.

Was R.A. the guy in the crowd tonight that was just grabbing his ribs at Luka?

It looked like R.A., Yeah, I heard that as well. Long distance.
Was R.A. the guy in the crowd tonight that was just grabbing his ribs at Luka? It looked like R.A., but if it was R.A., he'd just be grabbing his liver.
Like, oh. What did you say? They asked Missoula about Porzingis.
Oh, we were talking about hockey. And he said zero, he's good.
I just want to update Max. So let me erase him off of this board.
Zero, he's good? No, I am happy. I am happy that he's not injured.

Oh, he almost slipped right there.

No, I am happy that he's not injured, and it still works for the board.

So all is well.

He's neither hurt nor injured.

All is well.

It's the most panicking all is well.

All is well.

Everything is fine.

Put Luke on there if you want, Hank.

That works.

Did you see the video of him walking into the game tonight? Yeah. He had his cup of coffee down on his side, and it looked like he shit himself.
He was just doing the Chipotle walk down the aisle. Yeah, he looked like he was going to get a flight after a long weekend in Vegas.
Yeah. It's like, I have to reassess everything.
But yeah, the hockey game was incredible. Goalie Bob.
We also had Mike McDaniels.iels i'm gonna keep calling him mike mcdaniels people get mad about that and i kind of enjoy it mike mcdaniels uh got a playoff win because he banged the drum or whatever they do what do they do bang the drum what they bang the drum yes and the crowd chants let's go panthers yeah they got a drum oh that's good also wait does he have to update the uh the meeting now? I don't know why he didn't have number 24 in his jersey. Yeah, 24 just lives in his brain.
Yeah, but the Panthers looked good. I mean, Goalie Bob looked good.
Yeah. I just like saying Goalie Bob.
Yeah, the P's look. They are going to be very, very tough to beat if Goalie Bob does Goalie Bob things.
We deserve at least one of these series to go the distance

or have some iconic moments.

I don't think it's going to happen in the NBA Finals.

Max DeLinte.

Just get us to the Olympics.

Get us as close to the Olympics as possible,

and then summer's just on fast forward.

And unfortunately, the big reason why we—

I know you were really looking forward to cheering on our Olympic team.

Oh, yeah.

Here's Caitlin Clark. Yes.
Unfortunately, she's not going to be on the team so i guess we're not going to be watching that was true it's just dumb it's it's not smart it's okay so i have uh i agree with you it is dumb you have a moment in time where uh everyone is is tuned in to caitlin clark and she is i maybe since like tebow in terms of the takes that she she is just she generates them yeah she she doesn't say anything but she just generates takes because people are just angry all the time about caitlin clark and it's also i'd say kaepernick i think what it is too that was the last one remember Kaepernick didn't he wasn't playing yeah right so it's kind of I'd say Kaepernick. I think what it is, too.
That was the last one. But Kaepernick, remember, Kaepernick didn't...
He wasn't playing. Yeah.
Right. So it was kind of the same thing.
Well, he was playing at the start. No, but then he...
He had the shoulder injury. Most of his takes were after.
Right, after he stopped playing. So it wasn't like new takes.
It was the same. Caitlin Clark, it's a new take, a new thing that has happened every single day.
Yeah, there's an industrial complex right they're not recycled takes they're just they're new ones about jumping around to each topic there should there should be a different version of twitter that's just caitlin clark twitter yeah where it's like okay you want to argue about caitlin clark okay go here don't make all of us read it all the time and i think i think there's a a pretty big percentage of the reason why she's not on the team is just because they didn't want to deal with all the bullshit yeah of people coming out with takes about caitlin clark every single day which is the dumbest reason ever it's a dumb reason not not a good basketball reason the it's this happens in sports when it's it probably will never happen just like this again because you have a sport in WNBA that's not like super, super popular and mainstream.

And then you have Caitlin Clark fans show up to it.

So it's like there's a bunch of people who are Caitlin Clark fans, not WNBA fans.

And then you get it's almost like an earthquake of takes where the two tectonic plates hit each other.

Max, you're a plates expert. Yeah.
Clean Plate Club. That was crazy.
That was a crazy sideswipe. But it's incredible.
She's an industrial take complex that just keeps churning them off. The only thing I would say, Hank, and PFT, I don't know if you agree with this so dumb to not capitalize on her here

extra dumb if it was actually veterans on the team saying we didn't want to deal with her because again this is like if you're trying to grow the sport this is going to grow the sport is it crazy to say though in a weird way I think Caitlin Clark might have been a little bit relieved because she probably wouldn't have played that much.

And she finally gets a little bit of a break from the take machine. And she's been going, going.
Because the WNBA, the way it works is they played the whole college season and then she got drafted two weeks later and then she's playing in the WNBA. I feel like this is – I would hate to be – you would hate to be the person on the team that's not getting any minutes and gets talked about more than everyone else.
Yeah. So I think that there's probably a good amount of her that's like, okay, I'm okay with not going over and playing.
She wants a break. And I think that it would be uncomfortable for her if she was over there and all of her teammates were getting asked questions about her as they're winning a gold medal.
Yeah. That would be weird.
Now, if you really want to see some fucking takes pop off this summer, this is going to be good. This is going to be good for the internet, just in general, for internet traffic.
Brittany Griner gets all the minutes that Caitlin Clark was supposed to get. Then everyone's pissed off.
Then the takes are going to keep going regardless of whether or not she's there. Is there any chance they lose? Because that would be – No, I don't think – They're minus 1,400.
Yeah. They haven't lost a game in forever.
That would be a take city. Now, I don't even know – I'm not an expert on the roster.
Was there a person that was specifically – you could point to and say that they shouldn't be on the team i'm not an expert in women's basketball um maybe diana taurasi i don't know i don't know if she's still good but i do know that this would be i think her sixth gold medal so she gets it crazy yeah right so she would get in um and then i feel bad for the first time in my life i felt bad for christian laettner today yeah because he cut he started to get trending online because everybody was like, well, you can always bring the best college player. Like when we got Christian Laettner on the Dream Team.
Yeah. When Shaq was still there.
Everyone said at the time it should have been Shaq. Yeah.
It's just interesting. But he had one player of the year.
Yeah. In the championship.
All right, Duke boy. Shut up.
Fact. There is an interesting – I asked that question because there's an interesting dynamic going on.
I don't know if she deserved to be on the team in terms of playing, right? I know she deserves to be on the team in terms of if you're trying to grow the sport, she should be on the team. But it is very funny to me if she didn't – if you could make the argument that she didn't deserve to be on the team just from playing, that there's a group of people who normally would be anti-participation trophy now saying put her on the team just because of who she is.
Also, USA Basketball, their goal isn't to get eyeballs. Their goal is just to win the gold medal, and that's pretty much it.
I don't know if it's players on the team or if it's the people that are in charge of the roster makeup.

But I would not be surprised if they were just like, I don't want to deal with the Caitlin Clark shit. Yeah, they should be on the team, though, just because it would be good for the sport.
But again, I honestly think that if you hit Caitlin Clark with truth serum, she's like that. That's a little bit of a relief because it just would have been a whirlwind.
and I wouldn't if she

was on the team and playing

then it then it then yeah

it may little bit of a relief because i it just would have been a whirlwind and i wouldn't if she if she was on the team and playing then it then it then yeah it makes sense like she she would want to be on the team but if she's on the team and she's not getting any minutes that would suck beyond belief what if she shows up once the wnba kicks back in and she just like cuts her hair dyes it she's got like short blonde hair now you know what should do? She's Italian. If you have any amount of Italian in you, you can get an Italian passport.
She should play for Team Italy. That would fucking rock.
What if she won? She won and played for Team Italy? I don't think they're in it. I'm looking at the 12 teams.
They would let her in. Yeah.
They should just make an exception. The second favorite is Chinayna plus 2,000.
We're going to fuck Chyna up. If she became Chinese.
Yeah, but should we be rooting against the U.S. just for the takes? Well, yeah, for the show.
Right. She's a take machine.
She's incredible. All right.
Other things we got to talk about. Let me see.
I had a list. Is Dan Hurley going to lakers we're gonna find out today yeah okay you have to make an announcement today one way or the other which which is it gonna be because right now vegas has him going to the lakers i think he's plus 300 to stay at uconn i think he is going to stay at uconn the fact that it's taken this long and that he made an announcement like, okay, I'm going to make my decision on Monday,

it feels to me like it's going to be a hype video.

Yeah.

I'm back.

I'm back, and he's also going to get a crazy contract,

and he can essentially, this is the course of Dan Hurley's career.

He's going to stay, probably win another couple more,

and then he's kind of told UConn fans, like,

I do want to eventually go to the NBA.

So when it happens five, six years down the line, it won't hurt as much as it would have hurt right now. This is a dream scenario for Dan Hurley if he was just trying to get a raise.
Yeah. The way that the last three months have shaken out has been incredible, from the Kentucky job opening up to the L.A.
Lakers job opening opening up that's like the best one that he could ever have yep just drive up his value so of course if he does go back to UConn and that's the plan all along of course you're going to say yeah I'm very interested in this Lakers job they made a very compelling offer to me knowing that your AD is back at home like shit I gotta double the check now yeah and think about the recruiting when he can just be like yeah I turned on the Lakers because I love I love UConn so much yeah come win a national title he's an east coast guy he's gonna take the next job in like five six years that would not surprise me yeah like that why wouldn't you wait if you unless you think that I definitely don't think Dan Hurley suffers from imposter syndrome but you have to assume even if you don't win another national title, you're going to be in the mix every single year because winning national titles is hard. He will still get the pick of the litter when it comes to whatever job he wants, and if he wants the next job and he wants to stay close, not that Tibbs is on the hot seat, but five years from now, it could be Dan Hurley.
It could happen i want him i want him to stay uh but also it'd be it'd be very fun if he went to the nba so hank what do you think lakers oh you think he's gonna go yeah why you have any inside sources i don't have any inside sources uh billy football reported that he was going to Lakers. He texted the three of us on Saturday and said, I just found out, I ran into the Hurleys in L.A., and I got inside source that he's going to the Lakers.
Which was basically, I think he asked, and they made a face or something. Yeah, one of them shushed him.
One of them shushed him, and then he said, Which means nothing. Means.
It means nothing. They probably were like, shh, Billy, we're having a conversation.
Please. Billy must think he gets tips all the time from people that are just telling him to be quiet.
Yeah, or just looking at him. Yeah.
Winking. Like, stop talking, Billy.
He's like, oh. Oh, I got it.
Confirmed. Something's up.
Yeah. So then he texted us that and said, please do not share.
I don't want anyone to know. And then Hank even said that before you could even read the text,

Billy had tweeted saying, Dan Hurley, the Lakers, confirmed by me.

With a graphic.

He's credited me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He also has a 50-50 chance of getting it correct,

and he's going to be like, I reported it first if he's right.

And then material change if not. So it's not anything crazy.

Yeah, but as Billy giveth, he taketh away.

If he does get this one wrong, at least he got us Vanny Woodhead. Yeah, that's true.
Vanny Woodhead is now in our possession. Yeah, big time who's back.
Who's back? You couldn't. Well, I could see it on Hank's face.
Hank's who's back is no different than Steve Carell in Anchorman. Whatever's in front of his face right before we start recording is who's back.
He's going to be like, who's back? The Washington Commanders. Correct.
He would be right about that. Max, going or staying? There's zero chance he goes to the Lakers.
All right, but you're doing this as an emotional hedge. This is smart.
Very smart by you. I think I said this to you.
I said the exact same thing that PFT just said was he's the hype video tomorrow is going to be a crazy. I'm not fucking leaving.
It might be the best hype video. It's going to be it.
He's a man. He's the man of theater and he's very good.
He also I love that he went to Billy Joel at Madison Square Garden last night or Saturday Saturday night because you can basically play it. It's a choose your own adventure.
Like he loves he loves being a Northeast guy so much. This is the most Northeast guy thing to do.
He's staying or be like he's saying goodbye to the Mecca and to Billy Joel. Well, he did go last worry his assistant.
Yeah, that would be fair. I don't know what that means either.
It would be very funny if he did plan that out as like a goodbye to New York. He's like, I'm going to do one more Billy Joel concert.
They'll know what that means. Yeah.
This is my so long farewell. Yeah.
So he's staying, Max. Oh, yeah.
Like, oh, yeah. He's good.
He's good. He's good for the dramatics.
He's going to fucking make me very upset to be a Villanova basketball fan for a long time, and that's not changing tomorrow. I just tweeted a poll.
Who breaks the news? Woj, Shams, Hurley himself, or The Field? Ooh, I think Woj. Billy.
It would be Billy. Yeah.
No, that'll be her. The hype video.

That's going to be a hype video.

Yeah.

But I think Woj might get him.

He might beat the hype video by like three minutes.

It's a tough call.

He probably has Hurley's hype video guy on retainer.

That guy, as he's producing the video, is going to give Woj a heads up.

Yeah.

I think Rothstein's a sleeper.

Rothstein will not have this.

Was it May?

Fanta, maybe.

No, he's awake.

Fanta could.

Fanta.

Fanta, that'd be great for him.

Yeah, it's a sleeper. Rothstein will not have this.
Was it May? Fanta maybe. No, he's awake.
Fanta could. Fanta.
Fanta, that'd be great for him. Fanta could.
All right. Let's do Who's Back the Week so that we don't take anything else that Hank was going to talk about.
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Hank, who's your who's back? Wait, wait, let me guess. Should we guess? Shorts.
Scotty Scheffler. Yeah.
Yeah, I got it. I knew it.
Oh, shorts. Oh.
Shorts? Shorts are back. Shorts are back.
It was a big shorts weekend. No, Scotty Scheffler's back.
Why? He won the, what the fucking? Memorial? Memorial. Presented by Workday.
Presented by Workday. Shake Oh, free ads.
Fuck work day. Yeah.
Fuck work. It's work.
Yeah. Hank doesn't even know what a work day.
I'm a fan of work day. That's like you're a big fan of work day.
That's a Hank golf. Sark day.
Yeah. Well, tomorrow is a golf work day.
Yeah. He almost choked.
I had bet him and I figured it it was the one time I bet him he was somehow going to choke more car. Or charge late.
He buried 18. He's won, I think, basically every tournament except for when he got arrested and when he had a baby.
I think in his last 12 weeks, he's won seven. I think he's five of eight.
I think five of seven. How many, Jake? I think he's five of eight.
I saw that. He did have his baby on him today.
Oh, he did? Yeah, his baby was there. He keeps that thing on him? He keeps it on him, yeah.
You never know. You want a good guy with a baby instead of a bad guy with a baby.
Yeah, first win going into Pinehurst this week, major week. It's kind of cool.
We were there in the summer. Five of eight and the three he didn't win.
Two T2s and a T8. Jesus Christ.
Insane. It's his world.
What are his odds for the U.S. Open? Plus 300.
Oh, my God. I think I saw something.
He's a bigger favorite than the Mavs are to win this series. Jeez.
There's 150 other people in this tournament. He's that good.
We going to have a US Open preview on Wednesday. Oh, did you see Detective Gillis' pants made the news? They showed his pants.
It was like torn on his butt. It still could have been that he shit, and he shit so hard that he blew out his pants.
It was a horrific image. Yeah.
And his knee? Those pants. Yeah, he had a scrape.
Imagine taking a shower after you get that. He had the very definition of a boo-boo.
Yeah. Like, if he went to a doctor and they're like, I need you to diagnose me for the police file after Scotty Scheffler dragged me with his car, the doctor would come back and be like, yes, sir, you have a grade one boo-boo.
Would you like me to kiss it? We could put a Band-Aid on it even though it's not bleeding. Yeah.
This boo-boo.

Does it make you feel better?

Does us being at Pioneers last summer do anything for you guys?

Oh, it does so much.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, just the- We didn't play the course they're playing.

Yeah, we were there.

We walked on a little bit.

If I had played the U.S. Open course, I would be feeling, yes, very-

I saw it.

We were on the third fairway, Riggs' house.

Yeah.

Didn't play it, though. Didn't walk on it.
All walk on it all right just a question it does a lot for me does it do anything for you sounds like it does a lot for you cool we're going to pioneers i was like i was just i was just at pioneers not really though yeah we played the wasn't it wasn't pinehurst yeah but we were in the pilot we're staying in the hotel the history of the staff anytime you're around you yeah it's cool okay it's kind of like when you like fly into a city

as a connection Yeah, but we were in the hotel, the history, the statues. So anytime you're around, are you?

Yeah, it's cool.

Okay.

It's kind of like when you fly into a city as a connection,

and you're like, have you ever been to X?

And it's like, well, I've been in the airport.

You haven't really been to that city.

Right.

Like if they played the U.S. Open on our basketball court,

I'd be like, this is fucking sick.

I know this course.

I'm excited.

I'm excited just for golf.

I'm excited for golf.

For the sport.

I don't know what the course is going to look like. I'd be like, this is fucking sick.
I know this course. I'm excited.

I'm excited just for golf.

I'm excited for golf.

For the sport.

I don't know what the course is going to look like. Is Pinehurst, is it notoriously difficult?

Yeah.

Yeah, very difficult.

All U.S. Opens.

Well, the last, I mean, Valhalla just got its shit pushed.

That wasn't U.S. Open.

U.S. Open, they make sure.

Marion was easy.

I just know because it's close to where I'm from. okay they're known for uh the turtle shell greens so pretty much it's a podcast mr pair yeah it's also use your hand use your yeah use your use your words it's like a bowl it's like an upside down bowl yeah it just makes it it's just like a little like a helmet that sounds difficult That sounds difficult.
Yeah. That sounds very difficult.
I'm excited for the Pines. No, mid-Pines is where they're playing? Pines is where we played.
Okay. Pinehurst number two.
Pinehurst number two. And we played Pinehurst number one? We played mid-Pines.
Oh, shit. So we didn't even play the other course that Pinehurst has.
It had like seven. Wait, so we didn't even play one of the seven? No.
We were supposed to. Okay.
We basically played Pinehurst number eight. We were near Pinehurst.
We were at the hotel. There was a pine tree.
The hotel they're going to be staying at? Yeah, some guys will definitely stay there. Okay.
By the way, I was so wrong, Marion. It was a plus one, the winner.
Yeah, I mean, the U.S. Open is always like that.
That's what they do. This is our week to root for the court.
Yeah, I am rooting hard. I want the winning score to be plus territory.
Yeah. And we need one of our guys to win.
Brooks. We need Bryson.
I think this is it for Bryson. If Bryson comes and wears, because remember he used to wear the scally cap? Yeah.
Payne Stewart. Mm-hmm.
I could see it happening. Oh, as a tribute? I'll call my shot right now.
As a homage to Payne Stewart. You're going to bet him? Yeah.
Hank tells me Bryson's back every week, though. He's great.
He's played great. Hank would know.
He's our Liv correspondent. Yeah, that's true.
How did he do this week? It was a tough week for Liv, to be honest. The leaderboard was so bad.
Really? How can it possibly be bad? Because they only have so many top guys, and it was like Patrick Reed. Brooks played okay.
But the guy who won, it's like I never heard of him in my life. Can I say something, too, about Liv? And I know you're a big Liv head.
Jon Rahm got hurt. Something about getting hurt while wearing shorts.
It was sad. When you're golfing, you mean? Yeah, it was just sad to watch.
It just didn't feel like a real golf injury. Well, I'd say just in general, getting hurt while golfing.
He doesn't look good in shorts either, Jon Rahm. He's got a big body.
Right. And the shorts don't really help.
Yeah. Okay, your who's back.
My who's back of the week is Vince Young. Vince Young's back.
Yes. There was a celebrity program that was taking place on the Golf Channel, and they cut it down to do a walk and talk with Vince while he was on the course.
So they talked to Vince about his championship at Texas, his rookie of the year in the NFL, what a great career he's had, what it's like playing golf at a program for the very first time. And it just wasn't Vince Young.
It was another black guy yeah it was a guy named Everett Sands who's the assistant coach at the Citadel and they thought he was Vince Young and credit to Everett Sands who who handled it like a pro he was just like I think you have me confused somebody else and they tried to answer the questions very diplomatically he was like you know anytime you're out here playing golf it's great because you're competing against yourself and against everybody else. Just not answering her questions about Vince Young.
So she probably thought he was being very rude and not answering any of the Vince Young questions. But turns out it just wasn't Vince Young.
And this guy didn't look a single thing like Vince Young either. No.
He was probably like 5'10", maybe like 2'10". So, yeah, tough look.
Tough look for the golf announcers out there. I kind of like, though, just interviewing anyone.
Remember that guy, the F1 guy, who was just going up to random celebrities in Miami? He just got all of them wrong. Or just asking Dana White, what's Joe Rogan's dream? Yeah.
Yeah. Shout out Sage Steele.
What do you got, Hank? Are you going to see Tiff? She is – I don't know. She is on vacation, so she's not around Dallas this week.
If it goes to game six, then yes. With whom is she on vacation? Her friends.
Oh. Yeah.
What kind of friends? Guys or girls? I don't know. I don't really want to put a business out there, to be honest.

But I don't know.

I don't know.

I think it's just her friends.

Did she ask you?

No.

So game six would be on.

On.

So now we've got to root for game six.

And then that's when Max has to go down there and videotape everything Hank does.

Oh, no.

Yeah.

Yes.

Everything.

Everything. Need you on Hank's hip.
Everything. On that hip.
Now I'm rooting for a sweep. Okay.
My who's back is James Harden. James Harden, very funny video.
He was at a wedding, and it looked like his girlfriend caught the bouquet. Incredible catch.
It bounced off six people before it got to her and james harden's reaction was so fucking funny when he just had it all hit him that that means that he needs to get engaged by law and uh i think it was just it was basically a rolodex of all the strip clubs going through his brain in that moment being like i need to say goodbye to a lot of people James Harden I hope he gets married

because he would have the best bachelor party

in the history of bachelor parties

drop whatever you're doing

and just try to show up in the same town as he's at

yeah

it actually would be very similar

to the Olympics

or the World Cup

strip clubs bidding for his bachelor party

they would have to put out like the

offers and I would hope

he would do it where he'd just do like an announcement

Thank you. or the World Cup strip clubs bidding for his bachelor party.
Yeah. They would have to put out the offers, and I would hope he would do it where he'd just do an announcement video, I'm going here.
Because I don't think I can name a bigger strip club guy than James Harden. I think he is number one, currently at least.
But how many strip clubs would he go to on a bachelor party? He would probably just live in one.

Yeah, I don't know if there is a bigger one. Future.
Jersey Jerry. Jersey Jerry did give some money to...
Back in the day, he gave money to a stripper and she just took it and went back to Brazil. That did happen to him.
What a nice guy. If you give a stripper money, is it like a binding contract that she has to stay in the United States? No, of course not.
But he thought maybe that was going to be the future, and then it just wasn't. Yeah, but James Harden, my who's back of the week, big time who's back.
Also just perfect that the NBA finals are going on. are going on that's that's what we get from james harden yep oh also uh talking tennis yeah oh oh alcatraz alcatraz one alcatraz oh i think alcatraz is next he he might be he might be back big today he blew that third set and he just dominated four is carlos alcatraz him dude do you see that video of him when he was 12? Yeah.
And they asked him what his dream was. He's like, he's going to win Wimbledon, going to win the Spanish Open.
Yeah. Spanish Open? French.
French Open? This is the French Open. This is the French Open.
It's on clay. What's the Spanish Open? There isn't a Spanish Open.
I don't think so. It's just Rafa wins the French Open.
Correct. If there is a Spanish Open, Rafa has won that too.
Right. Spanish Open.
So what is he? He won a Grand Slam title on every surface now? Alcatraz. Alcatraz.
And he beat Zverev, who was going to be next. Maybe, yeah.
But Carlos, he's... He's for real.
Great position to be... Great forehand, great backhand.
Great footwork. Great serve.
Great serve. Is this passing the torch? Great conditioning.
Great conditioning. Jake, look this up for me.
When was the last time there was a French Open final that didn't have Nadal, Federer, or Djokovic in it? Well, Nadal, it's like never. Except for one.
But like with those three,

it's got to be like 15 years.

Might be even more.

You have to go all the way back to 2023.

Oh, really?

Last year?

Djokovic beat Kasper.

No, I said Djokovic. Oh, sorry, sorry.

I was looking at the Spain plan.

That would have been very funny if it was last year.

I'm going to keep moaning until you get it, Jake.

2009, Federer and Robin Soderling.

No, he said Federer.

You said Federer.

Federer and Nadal or Djokovic.

I was listening.

You guys are distracting me.

2004.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

That's so distracting. Oh, I i gotta take a shit gaston past me the watch audio over guillermo correa 2004 who could forget now you guys have a hack to distract.
Yeah. Yeah.
Just got to come. Okay.
Jake, your who's back. Don't say.
That's in my head. My who's back is the College World Series.
Oh. Ping.
We had some crazy storylines from the Super Regionals. The Florida Clemson game today was bonkers.
A Clemson player got ejected for celebrating a home run. It's always weird, too, when in the Super Regionals, the host team has to play as the away team in Game 2 because Florida hit a walk-off on Clemson's field and sent them home even though they're already home.
But that's a moment they weren't home like a walk-off silence the crowd game over yeah you never get that sports you get it right yeah you hit a buzzer beater on the road you could kick a field goal but yeah that was crazy uh my inning of the month goes to the Texas A&M Oregon inning yeah yeah like that was crazy they were down they were down four think, going into it. And then it was like walk, walk, walk, hit by pitch, grand slam, walk, hit, hit by pitch, walk.
It was crazy. Cam Canarello deserves his flowers.
That was an unbelievable ninth inning by him. It sucks that Clemson lost.
You've always been a college baseball guy, first and foremost. You just like him because he's Italian.
The behind-the-pitcher camera went out in the 9th, 10th, and 11th inning, which was insane. Watching a game just from an ESPN broadcast on the wide angle behind the plate was one of the more infuriating things I've ever watched.
It was torture. It was so bad.
It's very hard to call balls and strikes with that angle.

You can't watch anything.

You couldn't watch a thing.

You were just like hoping.

You just heard what the umpire was saying.

Right.

It was so, so bad.

But yeah, college baseball, it rocks.

We got some games today, right?

Yeah, I believe there's a few game threes.

Winner to Omaha.

Love it.

All right, let's get to our interview with Greg Olson, long-time friend. I'm going to sneeze.
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Emmy Award winner Greg Olson, who has TEU coming up in a couple weeks. Let's start with the – I want to talk about tight end university because we're a year whatever, five? Four.
Four. All right, we're year four.
It's been incredible. We were there last year.
But first, we got to talk about this Emmy. You won an Emmy.
Did you ever think you'd win an Emmy? You know, I didn't. And, you know, I actually humble brag amongst friends, obviously just between just the three of us and the 20 million people that watch this.
I've actually won two now. Oh, wow.
Yeah, so no big deal. But, yeah, so I didn't go to the ceremony last year.
And so I always told myself, I'm like, you know, if I ever get nominated again, I'm going to go. Last year was for like breakout, you know, breakout artists, you know, like the equivalent of like, we no one knew who you were.
And now we kind of know who you are. So we're going to make that in any category.
So it wasn't like a wasn't amongst with all the big boys. But this year I was nominated with all the big ones, you know, Aikman and Collinsworth and guys that have been obviously doing this at a high level for a long time.
So my wife and I went to New York and went to the event, had really low expectations about whether or not we were going to win or not, and was able to pull one away. It's incredible.
If I had this really cool TEU background, my Emmys are actually behind me. No big deal.
Yeah, it's incredible. They gave an Emmy for worst sport coat in a broadcast.
And, like, that's – Oh you could win my god what hold on yeah put it on go get it hold on no no no hold on even better oh i literally almost called you from the emmys so you know like they call the person who wins and then there's like a little highlight reel and they show like a clip and a picture. When they showed all of the nominees, guess what still photo they used of me at the booth? Yep, that's incredible.
Worst coat ever. Wow.
I was wearing the sport coat. I literally laughed out loud.
Like the host is like, you know, Troy Aikman. There's like a picture of him next to Joe Buck.
Greg Olson. And when they shot to me on the camera, the picture was me in that sport coat.

Wow.

That might be why you won.

You left a lasting image with the voting.

I feel like the voters have like a disconnect with mainstream America.

You know?

Or am I a trendsetter?

No, I would not say trendsetter.

How many announcers have you seen wearing that type of jacket since you wore it? How many of those people have Emmys? Okay. I think a lot of them probably do.
Yeah. I think they kind of give Emmys to just about anybody, right? Have you ever won an Emmy? We have some fake ones there.
We bought them on Amazon for like five bucks. Got it.
So they look pretty cool. Yeah.
Yeah. We weren't technically on TV long enough to get an emmy shortest show ever yeah we should have worked for for yeah best one episode run yeah it was a great episode though it was it was pretty solid but congratulations emmy award winning i appreciate it i actually thought of you guys you were in my heart that day at the award show because i knew when that when that sport on.
What was your speech like? Did you give an acceptance speech? I did. So I actually, during the day that day, you do the whole, I didn't expect to win, but then everybody has an acceptance speech, which means you're at least prepared for the fact that you were going to win.
So I actually did write something in the notes of my phone. So there's no podium on the stage.
So there's just like a stick mic, like on a big stand. So you get up and you walk up on stage, you shake the guy's hand.
He hands you the trophy. He hands you the envelope.
So I have that in one hand. And then I have my cell phone because I typed my people I want to make sure I mention in my notes.
So I'm holding my phone in one hand, my left hand's like full of envelopes and trophy and just stuff, but there's nowhere to set anything down because there's no podium. My phone turns off, like the screen goes black.
So I'm like up there trying to do like face recognition, you know, to open my screen. So it was a complete disaster.
So I just made it up on the fly. Everything that I had typed on my phone in the notes um i didn't get to because i couldn't get my phone to unlock in real you know i panicked a little bit on stage they should have taken your emmy away right there yeah they weren't prepared for the moment also there should be a category for uh best accidental telestrator penis drawn during a game yeah have you ever done that it's my biggest it's my biggest fear yeah yeah booger used i think he was the goat at that booger drew some excellent songs that was i think some guys do it on purpose yeah yeah for sure yeah rg3 i could see him yes he absolutely does it yeah rg3 love yeah but you know like it it always starts when you go like all 22 and everybody wants to show the two high safeties yeah yeah the second you start second you start by circling safety, if you do any, you have to clear that screen before anything else gets written.
That's like, that is rule number one of Telestrator. If you circle two objects, the next button is clear.
Cause it doesn't matter if you draw a straight line, a squiggly line, it looks like a day. We'll find it.
It's like a Rorschach test. 100% of the time, it looks like a dick.
That was a big month for you.

You had two great television events.

One was the Emmys, and then the second was the Roast of Tom Brady, which must have been

very fun for you to watch.

I was a little jealous I didn't get invited.

Yeah.

You should have gotten invited.

You and Drew Bledsoe could have had a really good talk.

Me and Bledsoe could have had a little moment know we we understand what it's like to lose our jobs um so i felt like we could have both kind of bonded over a glass of red wine and and that but i'll tell you i didn't want to sit there i it's one thing for brady to get paid a couple million bucks to get made fun that was all in fun but i thought everybody else on that stage was just like catching strays from all over town going in I was like man that would have been cool and then I was like I'm thankful that I'm not up there who knows what they would have said about me I would have started crying yeah yeah gotta have thick skin I think though and obviously you know you you wish that you were still on on the number one broadcast you've you know you said it's like you're human you're a competitive guy I think you're in a great spot though Greg because you proved it that you're so good at it for uh a couple years there did a Super Bowl that you now get in that spot where everyone's like it's like the backup quarterback like everyone's like oh we want him we want him I mean you know in Chicago especially backup quarterback's always the most popular guy I like the the you're the people's champ is basically what I'm saying. Yeah.
Well, I appreciate that. And no, people have been super cool and the support has been great.
And listen, I, I've said it a million times. I haven't shied away from it.
I understand why you go out and get Tom Brady, right? If there's anybody in the world that you understand the why it doesn't mean like you love it. It doesn't mean you're not like disappointed, but you get it right.
It would take a a very self-unaware person to be like, why am I being replaced for Tom Brady? People be like, are you joking? Like, is that a serious question? So in one regard, like I get, I get the why I get why it's enticing. So I understand the business model and everything going on.
For me personally, like I want to get back to calling number one games. I want to get back to calling playoff games in front of 60 million.
I want to call Super Bowls of 100 plus million like I want to get back to call number one games I want to get back to call playoff games in front of 60 million I want to call Super Bowls of 100 plus million I want to call the only game on town at 425 that's the national kickoff with you know 95 percent of the country you know have that as their window so like I want I love those games I love those marquee games um so we'll see how it all shakes out you know there's not many of these jobs there's not a lot of seats that call playoff games there's not a lot of seats that call super bowls there's only four so uh you know that that's the other issue you know that this line of work is you know a little patience is a big element to it because you can be as good as you want people can like you people could want you but until a seat opens you know it's kind of out of your control great answer people's champ that's good yeah we love you and we said at the time when you called the super bowl you gave fox something to think about yeah tom brady is tom brady but at the end of the day you've proven you can do it and they at least had to have a conversation where it's like i know we have tom brady like literally tom brady but greg's really fucking good yeah and attractive and he's all natural well yeah all natural yeah you're all natural are you all natural all natural yeah yeah he's all natural um hair's real yeah body's real i gotta shave yeah um yeah this is just pizza hot dogs a couple beers um a couple youth baseball and football practices during the day to get my sweat in and uh what you see is what you get yeah man of the people tom brady never did a rap song greg has true you just relate to all demographics have you thought about that uh how much money nil money you would have made in college it had to have been it would have been insane right dude i think i i said so my wife and i went to college together you know, she was my girlfriend for three of the four years that I was there and obviously saw everything. So I was like, could you imagine, like when I would get my scholarship check in college, I would get like 1200 bucks a month.
And I lived in Miami and your rent, when you moved off campus, you know, to rent with four other dudes or three other guys, you know, you're probably paying between five and $600 a month, you know, $1,500, $1,800 a month rent for a decent house there by campus. It was not cheap.
And, you know, five, 600 would go to that and then another hundred bucks in utilities. So you had like $500 left over, four or $500 left over.
First week of college, first week of that month, man, we're eating at, you know, in our world, you know, you're going for sushi, you're getting nice restaurants. By the end, you're at like the dollar menu at Wendy's, right? So I told her, I said, could you imagine if at any moment in college, someone gave me $50,000? And some of these guys are making hundreds of thousands to a million.
I'm just talking, if you gave me 50 grand, 20 grand in college, I would have been the richest. In my mind, I don't even know how I would have handled having that in my bank account.
I'd have $1,200 in my bank account, and I thought I was the richest guy on campus. Yeah.
Yeah. No, it's true.
I personally could relate to that and say I would spend money on the dumbest things possible if you gave me 50 grand a college. Yeah, 50,000 when you like 20 years old in college, you're basically a billionaire.
I would get like seven jet skis. It's crazy.
Yeah. Oh, and now remember, you're in Miami.
Yeah. I mean, you could go to clubs.
You can go to bars. You know, guys are driving.
I remember the stupidest thing I ever bought in college. So good.
A buddy of mine, I don't know where it originally came from, but he bought from someone else. Like, remember when people would change out their like face, the screens of their radio.
Oh yeah. You would change on your car plate of like the stock radio of the car.
Yeah. You'd, you'd pick it out.
Like the next thing was, then the next phase was they would come out and flip up and it was like an external screen. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah.
And you would, you would, you would take the screen with you or put it in your glove compartment because people would steal it. You would have to.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Like a fate. Yeah, exactly.
Right. So, so this guy got one, one of the guys on the team got one.
He's like, Hey, you want to buy this? I'm feeling good. It's summer.
I probably got a scholarship check like the day before. I'm like, yeah, I need that in my truck.
It's like 400 bucks out the window because this guy sells me like this portable, doesn't do anything other than just look sweet popping out of your dashboard. But if you gave me 50 grand, the equivalence to that stupid $400 purchase, I can't even imagine what I would have bought.
Neon lighting under the car, the black lights, subwoofers. That was big.
That was big. I had a subwoofer in college.
I mean, in high school, I had a subwoofer, so I thought I was cool. Yeah.
But we all kind of went through that. That was like our era.
That was like our generation where you spent all your money on fun things on your car that you look back on and you're like, that was really stupid. I remember one of my car when I was, it might have been right out of college, had six CD changers.
So six CDs you could hold. And I was like, this is fucking, I can listen to anything.
They'll never be able to sing. Six different CDs I can go to.
And you put them in your visor? And you could put them in your visor storage unit yeah yeah that rocked i got spinners for my uh for my minivan at one point spinning hubcaps i felt like an absolute gangster uh but yeah so just think you had 50 grand in college how nice your spinners would have been yeah they would have been incredible insane yeah so tight end university very excited for what you guys have planned this year will there be a class that somebody teaches on how to date the most famous woman in the world. Yeah.
So Titan University, very excited for what you guys have planned this year. Will there be a class that somebody teaches on how to date the most famous woman in the world? Yeah.
So it's a really good question. So we actually had that presentation last year.
And Travis was paying the most attention and seemed to have really taken that class to heart. But Travis is coming back.
I'm looking forward to seeing him, making sure he hasn't changed um you guys saw it firsthand it's a it's a super cool event the fact that it just started from me and kiddo kind of texting and bullshitting after i retired back in 2021 and coming down saying you know come down and work out with some of the guys and then it turned into 20 guys 30 guys and next thing you knew we had a full-on event that you know we now had we had over 80 85 guys last year and you know obviously we pay for everything we have unbelievable sponsors that allow if you couldn't see all my plugs behind me for any of you actually watching this um you know obviously Charmin's our presenting sponsor because they love tight ends you guys understand that oh um you see how that works yeah you see how that works yeah Yeah. You see how that works.
Yeah. So Charmin

Bridgestone, we're doing a really cool, like girls football camp, like a little flag football

camp with Bridgestone and Levi's and Bud Light. So they give us all, all the court, all the

sponsorship money allows us to bring all the guys in, put them up. You know, we, we do everything

first class from how we feed them to, we bring in physical therapists and, uh, Pete, you know,

different PTs and chiropractors and do different, you know, kind of medical different things. And

Thank you. from how we feed them to we bring in physical therapists and, you know, different PTs and chiropractors and do different, you know, kind of medical different things and food parties.
We have a concert this year that we're doing Tuesday night, which will be super cool. We have some really fun guests that we're excited to kind of keep a secret until the night of.
So it's going to be, as you guys know, it's three days of a lot of fun. We get our work done during the day and the morning and during the day.
And then at night, Nashville is not a bad place for 80 tight ends to let it loose a little bit and have a little fun. Yeah.
Is there a guy that showed up last year that took something that he learned at TEU and then went on and had a breakout career or breakout year afterwards? Yeah. So I think it's been cool.
Like we, we typically always have like the young crop of incoming rookies. So two years ago was Kyle Pitts and last year, you know, Laporta and Dalton Kincaid, um, who were, you know, they were about to be rookies.
They were between draft and their rookie season. So over the last two years, we've had those guys, you know, we'd love, you know, I got to actually go back and check.
I'm not sure if Bowers, I'd be loving him to come I have to check on the list and see if he said he's coming or not but it's really cool to see those young guys and then you know in front of them a couple you know right in their same line when you know guys demonstrate the drill or running the route before them is Travis Kelsey and Darren Waller and you know George Kittle and they're in a full sweat and they're going full speed 100 miles an hour and then here guys saying, you know, one day I want to be them. I want to beat Kittle.
I want to beat Kelsey. I want to date Taylor Swift.
Well, you better run full speed. You better practice.
You better have the intensity. When no coaches are out here, you're not being judged.
You're just trying to get better. For those young guys to see how hard these veterans, these all pros, these guys that everyone just thinks, oh, they've always been the best just because they are.
They don't realize how much goes into it. And I think it's very eye-opening for the young guys to just see how much time and thought and effort is put in to why these guys are having Pro Bowl and in some case, you know, Hall of Fame type years, careers.
If Brock Bowers does come, you got to give him a little tip to just never stand next to Gronk again because Brock Bowers is an incredible tight end he does not give off the same like aura as as uh Gronk in terms of just maybe it's the way it was when he was wearing those black shoes he might need to do something with the hair he cut that short it was also a lot of us in the media we we started talking about Brock Bowers like he was baby Gronk yeah and then when he's staying next to Gronk, he does look like baby Gronk. No one should stand next to Gronk.
That should just be a tip at tight end you. Just don't ever get a picture next to Gronk because people will be like, oh, this guy can't play tight end.
Yeah. If you think every tight end out there looks like Gronk and is 6'7", 265 and threaded and lean, That's not the reality.
I can tell you that firsthand coming from a guy who played 14 years and did not look like Gronk. Yeah.
Yeah. You can't wear black cleats that, that, that we should actually, that's a really good idea.
Along with date, the most famous person, we should do a, what, like how to dress to look faster than you are white like tall white guys cannot wear black cleats in my opinion unless you're just like an absolute freak yeah agreed yeah black shoes with high white socks make you look slow that's like that's like one-on-one so white cleats light color cleats always make you look faster than you are and for a lot of these uh six five tight tight ends, that's really good advice. We're going to get back to Greg in a second.
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Do you agree that tight ends should benefit from no more hip drop tackles where it's just that much harder to bring these weird freaks where they're too much bigger than a lot of the secondary and they can take a linebacker? Do you think that's going to help tight ends? Yeah, I can't tell you the amount of guys I've seen blow out their ankles, their knees, break their legs on the hip drop. And selfishly, when we we were playing you know if it wasn't a rule you know it's like when they changed the rule that you couldn't hit defenseless receivers when I came in the league you could and you better be in a real good place with your quarterback and you better be really aware of where everybody is and you got to be real smart or else you're going to run yourself and the ball the ball's going to be thrown and get you in a lot of danger when that got taken off the table your you know your fears go down you're a little bit more free you're a little bit more well you know it's easier because you don't have that in the back of your head like hey i gotta protect myself because you know this guy he can kill you but at least there's going to be a punishment to prevent him from killing you a second time the same thing now with the hip drop tackle but on the other side of that, now that I'm out of the game and I'm just looking at it from both sides, I'm not exactly sure how they expect some of these guys to tackle.
I think you're going to have a lot of guys going low. I think you're going to have a lot of guys taking shots to the knees and the legs to try to kind of knife you down.
You're not going to tackle Gronk and Kittle and these guys up at their shoulder pads you're just not it's just physics are what they are you know you're you're 205 and they're 265 it's just it's not going to happen so yeah I think these defenders every year that these rules get put into place it becomes harder to play defense and I'm an offensive guy I get that I don't the position that they're in. But I do understand the idea is you don't want George Kittle and Christian McCaffrey and Gronk in his day.
You don't want those guys getting knocked out of the game for those kind of tackles and putting them in harm's way. You want these guys on the field playing.
The league is better when our stars are healthy. So I get the rules, the method behind them and the idea behind them I understand but I don't envy defensive players I think it is becoming more and more difficult every year to play defense and but that's the rules of the game it's an offensive driven league they want points they want scoring they want passing and they want their best players to be healthy they don't want injuries they don't want to be the league where by the end of the year it looks like an infirmary that's not good for anyone so yeah i also think that this is why they do it the hip drop tackle is a rule where the offense actually has a say in how they get hit so they could bait themselves into getting hip drop tackled if you see a guy coming towards you just turn around twerk real quick just stick that ass out and then get that as the target and then boom next thing you know 15 yards easily it's going to be very very challenging to officiate it i think and to determine whether or not it was intent for them to hit from the back and then drop down i feel like this is going to be a rule that we're going to get very angry about in about three weeks of actual gameplay.
Yes. And the twerking part is an interesting angle, but I think what's inevitable is at some point there's going to be a critical drive that on third down, they throw a drag route underneath short of the first down and some DB or linebacker is going to grab him from behind.
He's going to hip drop tackle him. He's just going to say, I got to get him on the ground, and they're going to celebrate.
And all of a sudden the flag is going to come in. It's going to be a personal foul, and the drive is going to be extended, and they're going to go down to score and win the game.
I mean, it's going to happen at some point that it's going to be a game altering, no different than how many drives have we seen in critical moments, pass, fall, incomplete, and then that late flag come, and it's a hit to the head, defenseless receiver, automatic personal foul first down, and the drive continues. So it's going to happen.
It's going to be controversy on Monday morning that a game is going to be viewed as being decided by is it the right call, is it the wrong call, and then the next level is is it the right rule or is it the wrong rule. There's two levels to it.
The interpretation of whether it's a foul or not is one. And then just on a bigger level, should this have even been a foul to begin with? Or should we just say, Hey, get them on the ground.
However you can, this is big boy football. You know, I can make an argument both ways.
Yeah. It's going to give fans an additional, like three seconds after every play to be like, wait, wait, wait, maybe there's a flag.
Maybe there's a flag that like moment of hope when you get bailed out by something uh one thing that you guys do a great job of you kind of undersell at teu is you have you have great quarterbacks that come to throw balls and just hang out so last year i think there was i know josh was there he was throwing some balls um sam darnold yep i forget who else was there who's on your list quarter of quarterbacks? Trey Lance. Trey Lance was there.
Zach Wilson was there. You said Josh, Sam.
Yeah, so we've had some good quarterbacks over the years. I think a lot of those guys are coming back this year.
And what I think is cool for, especially the young tight ends, and you see it with a guy like Kittle and Kelsey and some of these guys and gronk with brady in their day like the rapport and understanding that it's not what we want to do right we're the we're the end of the equation right we want to get the ball thrown to us and how do you do that you got to be you know the quarterback's got to be on the same page and you know all those cliches that we all hear so it's cool we would let hey josh allen josh tell them what you're looking for what's good body language what's good indicators like what is a friendly target in and out of the break look like and say hey the reason kelsey gets a million balls thrown is because mahomes knows exactly what he's going to do he knows what every little head nod every little mannerism he knows what he's seeing and they're seeing the game through the same set of eyes like i think for these young guys it's not about what you want to run it's not how you see the defense you need to see it through the eyes of the quarterback that's your responsibility so let's hear what the quarterbacks have to say like let's listen when Josh Allen's telling you this is what I'm looking for you better listen like this guy this guy knows what he's doing so I think that's a not just an arm to throw the ball you know know, we can get anybody to do that. I think the perspective of a lot of these quarterbacks to share with tight ends, like how the quarterback sees the game is all that matters.
It's our job to match how we see it with them. Yeah, yeah.
I want to give you credit, by the way. You went on Pat Bev and Roan's show, and you said that the transition from sports to media is harder than people think.
So I'm just going to, I read that and all I took from it is it's really hard to be in the media and do the job that we do. So thank you for that.
Right. Yeah.
You're welcome. Yeah.
Harder than, harder than being an athlete. I think it's different, right? I think, I think any, and listen, you, you guys obviously do it at the, and I'm not just telling you this to kiss your ass.
You guys know, obviously you're really good. And thank you.
The most popular thing out there. Thank you.
Kiss my ass. Kiss my ass.
Kiss my ass. No.
Listen, I already wiped with Charmin. So you're good to go.
Well done. Nice.
Well done. The Charmin folks are thrilled.
Yes. Very well done.
You're a professional. No, I think, I think the part that people don't realize, right? I mean, we were talking about it from the perspective of like hey you hang your cleats up your shoes up you're done playing and everyone just assumes all right the most the most realistic thing is you either become a coach or you just all of a sudden get a microphone and you go tell everybody about what's happening but on a global level the media world like it's very hard in today's world i I mean, you guys do it on a daily basis, to break through what's a very complicated media landscape, especially in the world of sports.
What makes what you guys say any more interesting than the other 10,000 sports pods or just current events or just fun guys on the internet? They're a dime a dozen. So it's finding your alley.
It's finding your voice. It's finding a way to cut through all of the noise that's out there.
And people go, of all the people I can choose with my time, of all the people that I can listen to, of all the podcasts I can listen to on the train into New York City or in my commute in Chicago or whatever, I get an hour of my morning. I could pick from a million different places.
I'm going to pick PMT or I'm going to pick Bev or whatever it is. To find that lane and to be the voice and the person that people look to and seek out, I'm curious what you think.
I think people think that that's everybody. And the reality is it's not.
There's a lot of really smart people that have interesting things to say. And it's hard to find that voice to cut through in today's world where you can get information at every corner.
And most of it's bad. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, you're, you're absolutely right.
Like the competition is there. It's, it's higher than it's ever been in the fact that there are so many options out there.
That is also where I always come back to, and I hate when people, successful people,

just completely minimize what luck had to do with their success.

Because I think what you just described and maybe our success is a lot of luck.

We got very lucky.

The right time.

The time when podcasting wasn't as big, when there was that niche of like, where can we find a podcast that doesn't take sports too seriously? If you try to replicate it today, it'd be a lot harder. So I always take a step back.
And yeah, people are like, oh, you're really talented. We got very lucky.
We got very, very lucky. It's a combo of luck and pissing your pants and eating horse shit on camera.
Yeah. I think if you can get those three together in one place, that hits all the bases.
Yeah. And remember, and again, not to get super cliche and hang a bunch of banners in the weight room with fun sayings, but there is an element that, yeah, luck 100%.
A lot of life is being right place, right time, and having right situations unfold. But certain people tend to be lucky because they're constantly prepared.
They're constantly ready for that moment. Then all of a sudden that right moment does flip and it clicks, right? But how many people aren't prepared for those moments, haven't put the work in, haven't studied the craft, haven't built their voice or whatever the industry is.
And that moment came and they never even knew it. And it came and it went And it was just, it was just poof.
It was gone in thin air. So yeah, there's, you got to have people believe in you.
You got to have people that give you opportunities. I mean, that was the case with me.
I mean, it was 2017 and Fox was kind enough to ask me to call a three-man booth with, with Kevin Burkhart and Charles Davis. And oh yeah, Kevin Burkhart and I knew each other since I was 15 years old.
he used to cover my high school football games as like a young aspiring journalist because he went to college in my hometown and he worked for like the local AM radio station that did Friday night high school football. So yeah, I was very comfortable stepping into a live broadcast for the first time with a guy that I had known for 10 years and knew him since I was a young kid in high school.
Yeah. That, that was very lucky.
It could have been anybody under the world and maybe we don't have that rapport. Maybe it doesn't get a click that I get asked to come back and do it in 2019 again.
And then obviously go on to do it in my career. So yeah, you're right.
I mean, there's a lot of elements to all this that are outside of our control. All we can do is be good.
Success. And that's always say all the time.
Just be good. Yeah.
Yeah. Be good.
Yeah. And also show up every day.
That was one thing we learned very quickly is that if you, the consistency of delivering something to people is half the battle. Because if you, if you, a lot of people want to start a podcast and then you don't do it, you update it, you know, once a week for a and then the next month comes oh i missed an episode okay that that i have in my mind every time we don't really i mean we we don't miss episodes but even on like memorial day we did two episodes that week instead of three it's sick it's absolutely sick in my head but i'm thinking we might have lost a couple listeners because there was a Wednesday where we weren't there.

That's sick.

I need to go to therapy.

You have to feel that way.

Yeah, but I need to go to therapy.

Remember, there's a lot of overlap between this.

Success in any industry, again, this is just one guy's opinion.

I'm not the smartest guy in the room, but success in any industry, there is an element that your greatest asset to being successful also is a greatest detriment in your normal life, right? The obsessive nature of excelling and the excessive nature is I can't take a pot off. Yes, I'm number one.
I've been the most watched sports podcast for five years. You don't have to do any on Memorial Day, but the fear that you're living in a constant threat of i don't want to be three and the next year we miss and we go to five is no different than what great players go through you you worry every single year you're on your you've just made your third fourth pro bowl you've just signed your third contract extension and the next morning you're like i wonder if they're going to draft the tight end if they draft the tight'm going to fucking kill them.
I'm going to be at OTAs and I'm going to kill. That's what it takes.
And that's not like a secret formula. Just very few people are willing to live their lives like that every single day.
Because as you said, it's sick. It's exhausting.
It takes a toll on your life. But guess what? It's a really good formula for being successful.
Also, I just miss talking sports with the boys yeah if we don't have a show for a week if we take our vacation in the summertime stuff happens in sports i'm like damn i really wish i was here to make fun of hank for that yeah you know yeah yeah maybe we're a little bit sick but that's fine oh i know i'm sports with the boys is the best man that's what it's all about it is yeah that's a great quote card it really is uh so you also touched on the nfl nba debate that's engrossing america um so let me ask you do you think it's easier for nfl analysts to transition to the nba announcing or for nba analysts to transition to the nfl good question that's a really good thank you really that might be the best question that might be the best question i've ever been asked ever been asked holy shit. Ever been asked.
Let's go. Put in the trophy case.
The ass kissing. Oh, God.
The internet is going to go bananas. All right.
Bananas. All right.
Here's my honest answer. And the football people were not happy when I was on with Bev and Roan.
And I said, like, maybe not 30. Austin Rivers might have been out over skis a little bit with 30, but for football people to not think that there's, I think the number we said there was like 10 seems realistic.
We could probably come up with 10 names that could play in the NFL just on just their athletic freaking freak ism. I think an NFL broadcaster could broadcast an NBA game with more understanding and clarity than vice versa.
Okay. I'd agree.
Offenses are too complicated. Defense is too complicated.
The NFL. You know, because you got, because remember, like in football, every play is an individual story, right? It's not just like a constant evolve where, again, this is my layman basketball understanding.
When I'm watching, you know, when J.J. Reddick, who I think is awesome, when he's broadcasting the game and I'm like genuinely listening to what he's saying because I think it's fun to learn and whatnot, he's not, or the play-by-play guy is not saying like, hey, down screen, flare screen, then they run an Iverson cut, and then they're going to backdoor, pick and roll, high, low screen.
They're not really giving the play-by-play exactly because it's happening so fast. They're flowing from offense to defense, from transition to foul, inbounds, baseline out of bounds.
They're flowing through so many different situations in real time that they're only diving into the real, real specifics of a great baseline out of bounds or a great side out of bounds or the strategy at the end of the game of who to foul who to trap how to get the ball out of their hand really in just like a handful of those moments and i find that super fascinating to like sit and learn as just like a basketball fan in football it's a start and stop you know 150 times you know 104, say, has the ball 70 times. There are 70 offensive plays, 70 defensive plays, and then flips.
So there's just a million different plays that you have to be prepared to explain what the offensive line is doing, why they're sorting pass protection, why the receiver cut his route off, what's the difference between a two-shell and a single-high shell, man leverage high shell man leverage zone like i just think there's more need and space to fill in more like football lingo and talk that then there is maybe in a ever you know a constant flowing basketball game that you could kind of fake it a little bit more maybe i'm crazy and maybe the basketball guys are going to think i'm nuts but but if I found myself in a basketball game, I think that would be my approach.

I think you'd be better than Reggie Miller.

I think the other part to this is that a lot of football players did play basketball.

Not all basketball players played football.

Whereas I think there's more of a crossover in that.

Maybe I'm way off.

No, and I think people are just more familiar with the sport of basketball because you know you go to any local and again i'm not saying what's going on at the y let me just be very clear here before the nba people jump over my head here i'm not suggesting that what's going on with the men's over 40 league at the ymca in downtown chicago is nba basketball i'm not i'm just suggesting the fact that it's like golf, right? Like it doesn't mean we could do it. It doesn't mean we're good at it, but people are more comfortable with playing golf in a tradition, just like a casual sense of exercise and fellowship and social than they are in like a competitive nature.
If you're not, if you're not playing competitive tackle football, you're not playing football. You're not doing it on the weekends.
People are just more accustomed to basketball, and they're playing it. It's more accessible.
I just think the sports are more accessible. People are just more familiar with the ins and outs of it because more people do it than they do play tackle football.
I'm going to push back real quick. A lot of people play Madden.
Oh. A lot of people play Madden.
And they understand timeouts. They understand whether you're running cover two, cover three.
I feel like more people play Madden. I think that's a good counter.
I think that's a legitimate. I think you're right.
I think the knowledge, especially of young people around football, has grown because of how popular and how great Madden is. That's fair.
I would love to know how many basketball guys – I'd be very curious to know, do basketball guys play Madden or are they playing 2K? I think Madden. Yeah, I think they play Madden.
I think NBA Jam was the last great basketball game. So that's – Yeah, sure.
So if you had a basketball guy what what max is very very very popular 2k is very popular max said my kids my kid like in my house obviously madden is a big deal like madden our kids get it every year who's on the cover whatever it's a big deal we're a football like for our whole lives madden was the thing in my house there is a ton of 2k tournaments when my kids friends come over yeah we definitely dated ourselves with nba jam that video game was awesome that was popular in like 1996 uh we'll cut that it was a good video game though speaking of how iconic was it when you could get like those secret nba jam players into the game you unlock them yeah speaking of madden uh do you ever go back and watch john madden highlights like the best of his announcing and and do you take anything from how he would call a football game i never have i mean i've obviously seen a million highlights and watched that great documentary they did a couple years ago um on him andden, which was ironic that it was shortly right before he passed. He called, he actually called my first ever touchdown when I was in Chicago.
We played up in Green Bay on Sunday night football and I caught my first career touchdown pass and he was the Sunday night football announcer. And so I've heard that call over.
I mean, I've heard his calls. I grew up with his voice.
I mean, Madden, I think Madden 94 is the all-time greatest video game ever made. That was the Madden game.
I don't even know if I got 95 and 96. It was Madden 94 and NHL 94.
Those were the two games that we wore out growing up. But his voice, video games, calling my games, just watching games in my life.
I've heard a million of his calls. I've never really gone back and studied anybody.
I don't really like it. I watch games now, you know, the Thursday night games and the Sunday night games when I'm home, Monday night football, when I'm home, I watch and listen to other announcers and, you know, you pick up little things about how they come in and out of breaks and how they use the telly and just different comments that you're making.
Okay. Yeah, I was really smart.
Or I don't know if I would have said that. Like your, it's no different than when I was playing, I'd only watched the tight end.
But I think you have to be careful going back and trying to like recreate the magic of a guy like John Madden, because I just don't know if anybody can. And I think you put yourself in a position where you end up sounding stupid.
yeah it's true he is a legend a legend's legend when he would just say like boom or bam yeah sometimes something that simple just gets the point across yeah um all right so greg i had one last question rowback question rh uh rho b-a-c-k dot com promo code take 20 off's, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com, promo code TAKE. They have swimsuits too.
It's summertime. Last question, and a little personal question, but how is TJ doing, your son? Oh, he's doing awesome.
He actually, yesterday, or actually today's the 6th, two days ago, Tuesday, he celebrated his three-year heart anniversary of his transplant incredible so super so good timing on the question and um he's doing awesome man it's hard to believe he's been three years so he was eight when he had his trans heart transplant and um he's 11 he'll be 12 in the fall so that's awesome he's doing awesome he's playing summer baseball and getting big and strong and running around yeah he's uh he's been through a lot but these last three years have been the best his his life post transplant is remarkably better than his life was pre-post his his first eight years of his life were a challenge he he had he was ups and downs almost on a daily basis since his transplant knock on wood I don't want to jinx it um his life is remarkably better it's pretty it's pretty incredible what what they can do i mean they literally took his heart out threw it in the garbage and just put a new one in and just say like all right here we go let's start all over again yeah you're just like what yeah it's pretty crazy but uh yeah i appreciate you asking he's doing great that's awesome incredible three years great to hear yeah um one last last question just do your top fives can you do your top five tight ends in the nfl right now right now current yeah uh so kiddo and kelsey obviously are the they're the top two so you say kiddo first kiddo one i think i mean it's hard obviously self just personally being buddies with them it's hard to pick one i i've've said on record during games and now I think Kelsey's like one or two more years of what he's done, 1,000 yards. I know he came up a little short last year because he didn't play the last game, but 1,000 yards, what he does in the postseason.
If he wins another Super Bowl, I don't even think he has to win another Super Bowl. If he has that 1,000-yard-ish production another year or or two I never thought this would be possible I think Gonzalez I always thought Gonzalez would kind of stand alone just from a production standpoint of what he was able to accomplish for so long but I think Kelsey becomes the first one who enters into that you know maybe even more than like I mean Gronk was on that trajectory maybe just didn't play long enough to like those stats and get that production and longevity.
But Kelsey's production and longevity is now getting into that Tony Gonzalez era, which I don't think anyone thought was ever going to be duplicated. So I think I'd have to go with Kelsey, although he's asked to do a very different thing than Kittle is.
They're in complete polar opposites of the position from a scheme standpoint, but those guys are for sure the top two.

I really like Sam Laporta in the lions.

I'm not saying he's three.

I'm just gaming guys that are in my top five.

I'd have to sort the order out.

Who else?

I've always loved Mark Andrews.

I know he had a tough year.

He was banged up last year.

Who else?

Give me some other,

throw out some other names.

I'll tell you through my top five five kovat kincaid uh they're close though they're getting there goddard uh hawkinson i like goddard i think goddard's i think he's special he's so damn big um yeah i would say goddard's probably in my five he doesn't get the like gross production that everyone else does which i know know everyone's obsessed with because he's got A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith, and they're going to take a lot of the targets and a lot of the yardage.
But I think Goddard, when you watch him play, run game, pass pro, passing game, yeah, he's definitely a top five guy in my mind. David Njoku was incredible down the stretch last year.
He was awesome last year. I always thought Darren Waller, like Raiders Darren Waller, before he got hurt in New York last year and everything, like pre-injured Raiders top of his game.
Darren Waller, I thought he was sick. Njoku, fellow Miami guy, had an unbelievable year.
That guy never has a shirt on. And if I looked like him, I don't think I would have a shirt on either.
Fmuth? Firemuth is good. Yeah, I don't, you know, top five is that's tall company.
You know, you start getting with the likes of those names we just mentioned. That's tall company.
But I think we're in like one of the greatest eras of tight ends in a long time, right? I think we got stars. And then we also have like a young generation of guys where it seems like every contending team has a tight end.
And if you't have one you're probably not a contending team like that's kind of what it feels like and um I think we're just going to see that tight end position just continue to become a bigger and bigger storyline I think what's cool now for young kids in high school when I came out like Shockey was the cool tight end right he was just finishing up at Miami he got drafted to the Giants. He was cool.
He's at nightclubs. He was like a star, star tight end, right? I mean, we had Gonzalez and Witten and Gates and those guys, Shannon Sharp, who were all timers.
But like Shockey made the position like mainstream and fun in New York City. At least in my generation, it was, it felt like that Kelsey and Kittle.

And like, these guys now are stars, not just amongst the tight ends amongst any positions, you know? And I think it makes it a lot cooler and a lot more like, yeah, I'm willing, I'm a six, four kid that's gotten too tall to play running back in high school, or I'm a too slow of a wide receiver, but I'm pretty long and can run. Like it's cool to be a tight now, and I think the position is benefiting from it.
Yeah, yeah, I agree. All right, Greg, tight end you.
Very excited to see what comes out of it. We love having you on.
We love you. Also, a little spin zone.
Now they're doing the two game on Fox. Maybe we'll be in Chicago a little bit more.
Dude, that, hey, love that. You got to find the positives.
Hey, we get a couple Friday night couple friday night saturday night dinners yes cocktails yes and it's probably only this year because we're

going to be we're going to be super bowl we might win the super bowl this year so the next year we'd

be but this year we got a chance yeah we'll just we'll just take one year at a time you never know

what the future brings and uh because remember it's all it's about talking football with the

boys yeah it is yeah exactly you guys should sell that that should be a pmt shirt on the

Thank you. know what the future brings and uh because remember it's all it's about talking football with the boys yeah it is yeah exactly you guys should sell that that should be a pmt shirt on the on the website well i would like to invite you to dude fest we're we're in the works of putting it together so you're more than invited to that that would actually be nice what's that look like what tell me tell me what that entails guys being dudes yeah it should be a festival where dudes no chicks allowed just a bunch of dudes show.
And then we have a stage and dudes can like show, like we're going to do a, uh, topless contest, but it's scars. So it's just like a bunch of dudes showing their scars and we like rank them shit.
Like a bunch of guys, it's just like a bunch of guys being dudes. Yeah.
Like you go, you come up, you'd be like, Hey, I got a presentation. And then you come up and your presentation is literally just like an old jacked up clip.
And then we all just cheer and we're like, fuck yes. Yeah.
Love that. I mean, talking football with the boys, that's the center of life.
So that sounds right up my alley. Yeah.
Maybe we do like one where it's just have a catch with Greg Olson. Yeah.
And just you get to like five guys get to just throw a ball back. Yeah.
Mic'd up. We just see what they talk about.
Yeah. I love that.
I don't hate that at all. Okay.
All right. Well, Greg, you're the best.
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Yeah. I forgot that that show existed.
Team black. Is that what we're on? That's what I'm on.
Well, I need to be team black or team green. I got to go.
Yeah. Who's green? Green are the one that killed the kid in the dragon.
Oh, by accident. Okay.
I would think you'd be on Team Green. Uh-oh.
Bad Sports Town. Oh, no.
I'm not going to support a cousin killing his cousin in his dragon. Okay.
The uncle and the niece, that's still a thing, right? Yeah, that's Damon and Rennaro. Yeah.
That's just Targ stuff, though. That's regular Targ stuff.
They's regular Targ stuff they just do Targ stuff all day I didn't watch Game of Thrones but I do watch House of the Dragon which is a weird thing they gotta keep the bloodlines pure wow okay so you endorse it sounds like an endorsement that's kind of creepy I don't endorse it that's just how they roll I'm just just observing it. Also, Hank, is that how you think you spell my name? No, he spelt it the way that you say it.
Delente. But the letters are still wrong.
Yeah, no, he knows. I don't think he knows.
Yeah. Hank's a great speller.
His frontal lobe is perfect. I want to get under your skin a little bit.
Yeah, and he did. He got under your skin a little bit.
I mean, he didn't really have to try with that. Memes, Mr.
Pear has been red hot. 2-0.
Okay. That was great.
I got him a new log. But he's been good with hockey, right? Can we talk about that? We've got to just gloss over Vanny Woodhead.
Oh, yeah. We've gotanny woodhead yeah oh yeah you kind of you kind of you well we've we've known he was coming back i feel like the big vanny woodhead moment was when we got that text message from billy while we were live that day and he was like it still exists but that was so like i i still you know if you asked me that day if we would ever see vanny woodhead again i'd'd say no.
Right. It looks awesome.
Yeah. Now it's here.
It looks from the outside just like we left it. On the inside, there's significantly more rat poop than there used to be there.
Yeah. I'm excited.
We're going to pimp it out. We're going to make it awesome.
We're going to do stuff with Vanny Woodhead. Vanny Woodhead's back.
We should probably go. We should probably pick a random game that we go to every year every year that would be sick like i've i've talked to you guys about how how badly i want to go to just one game at fog allen a college basketball game uh that would rock if we hopped in fanny woodhead and just drove to kansas like that's what we should do it with oh we should go with go with Tornado Chasing in Kansas.
Yeah, we should.

Yeah, Twister's coming out this summer.

Max can play the role of Buda Ben and cry.

Yeah, that was cute.

Yeah, I'm excited.

What do you want me to say?

Was that in Vanny Woodhead?

Yeah, it was in Vanny Woodhead.

Outside of Cincinnati.

Driving through Ohio, there were two tornadoes.

We saw one of the funnel clouds, and I think Buda Ben called his mom. Yeah, he did.
He called his mom on me. Yeah, I do love Buda Ben, though.
I do, too. He's the best.
I'm excited about Vanny Woodhead being back. It's more that, like I said, the moment that we found out that he was still alive was the crazy moment to me.
Now, getting him back functional is a lot. It's going to take a lot.
You don't realize. No, I do.
I don't think you do. I do.
As a car guy, there's a lot that goes into repairing a car like that. As someone who's very good friends with a car guy, I can concur.
Yeah. I was working all day on the El Camino on Friday.
I feel like I learned a lot. What does that mean? I popped the hood, and then I stared at it it and I started pulling some of the wires.
Why? I'll tell you why. Here's what my entire move was.
Because I thought about this because I don't know shit about cars. I was thinking that if I'm working on a sick ass car on the side of the road, eventually a car guy is going to come by.
You're right. And he's going to be like, what are you looking at there? Can I give you a hand? And then I'd be like, yes, actually, you can just do the entire thing right now.
Yeah. I was hoping for that so badly.
It didn't happen. A lot of babes, though.
A lot of babes. Sweet ride.
So who's up and running first, Vanny or Sexy Red? Sexy Red. Vanny is not running for you.
I think you think that Vanny needs like new tires. Yeah, maybe vacuuming the insides a little bit.
No, no, no. You're thinking you want to exhibit to walk in.
Vanny needs a new engine. Vanny needs new wiring.
Vanny needs literally everything. It doesn't work.
It doesn't have a key. Again, Vanny needs everything, which I'm very excited to get the process going and to see it get everything.
But I also understand that this is going to be a very daunting task because we agreed that we're doing it ourselves. There's zero chance.
Zero chance that it's fixed up. Just watching YouTube videos.
Yeah. Zero.
Let's do it ourselves. You could buy an engine.
I think even if we got an actual car guy guy to work on it no chance it gets up and running by football season no this is a spring 25 project one year yeah one year from now vanny woodhead is going to be rocking i'm excited what's your first step or are you just hoping i'll take the first step because this was the reason why vanny was scrapped. The beginning was I was just paying the insurance every single month and we weren't.
It wasn't on the road and it was I was about to lose my license because it was just like I don't want to like where is this car. So are you going to be my first step is trying to make some some marketing and some sales packaging so that we can get some money into Vanny Woodhead that we can then spend on fixing it.

But I'm willing to put some of my own money too, but what is the first step?

Why don't you...

Oh, since this is a passion project for you, here's a good first step.

Dunk. And you get $20,000 that you can put into Vanny Woodhead.
Yeah, that makes sense. You will agree that if you dunk, you'll put that $20,000 into Vanny Woodhead? No, no.
Oh, wow. So I guess you don't really love Vanny Woodhead.
What happens first? Vanny Woodhead gets driving or Hank dunks? If you loved Vanny Woodhead. Vanny will be up and running by July 4th.
If you loved Vanny Woodhead, you would pledge your money. I'll match.
Well, I'm paying for training, and I told Donnie I'd give him money. The money that I get from this is, I'm still going to be negative probably.
With taxes and stuff? What taxes? Oh, yes. I mean, yes.
I mean, yeah, with taxes, yes. I would have to pay taxes on money.
Yeah, good point. On cash? I think so.
No? Yeah, definitely. No, no.
Hank definitely would pay taxes for sure. Did you file your taxes this year? Yeah, but I mean...
You were going to pay taxes on us giving you cash? I don't know how that shit works. They ask you.
Who asks you? Like, on your thing. Oh, I guess they do.
They ask you, like like have you received cash for dunking no you don't have to cut this this will give you 9999 you can do that as a gift then oh true yeah so you're fine so we just made a dollar yeah so yeah we're gonna negotiate hank all i know is that if i were the one who is gonna dunk and get twenty thousand I,000, I would definitely put it into Vanny Woodhead. I would split it.
I go half into Vanny Woodhead, then the other half to charity. Yeah.
But Hank's not going to do either. So he doesn't love the AWLs.
I'll put it into Vanny. I don't care.
Oh, so you will pledge to Vanny Woodhead. Some? Yeah.
Why not all? I'll get one of those old dice cubes. How much can we put you down for right now? $2,000.

That's it?

$2,000?

Let's bump that up.

Let's get to $5,000.

Come on.

Come on.

We can get you to $5,000.

I'll do $5,000.

I'll do $5,000.

What is that $5,000 getting in return?

Vanny Woodhead looks awesome.

You're not getting anything back from that.

That's $5,000 to the van. Yeah.
Can we count on you for $5,000? Yeah, but once we get money that goes into it, then I want to get recouped. Well, let's just...
On my initial investment. We need to...
You got to spend money to make money. Ever heard that say? Yeah, I'm fine with that.
All right, so we can count on you for a $5,000 pledge today? Yeah, if I get a recoup. Okay, all right, great.

Oh, I can't promise to recoup.

I just want the pledge.

All right, pledge.

We'll get you a tote bag.

Great.

10?

We get 10.

Why not?

5.

10?

You're in for 5?

I got you from 2 to 5 so fast.

Some old sales tricks right there.

Well, yeah, it's like when you're fucking two rich guys, it hard to Say no You're a rich guy you drive an Audi This podcast is just rich guys Rich guy problems Alright let's finish up the show Pug I think you're in for the beer games You can't hear me I'm ready ready to go. Put me in, Coach.

I think we need to. I think that's got to be our plans.

We got to just stack

the beer games.

You guys should go and then drop out

day of and have it just be Pug and memes in your place.

Just get sick.

I'm down for that.

But still show Big Cat and PFT

and all the graphics. And then we should just drink beer anyways.
I hate that I'm such a good friend that I won't drop out, but I want to drop out. I thought about dropping out.
I did. If you dropped out, it would definitely help push me towards dropping out.
I've thought about it. You could be the linchpin of dropping out.
I'll also drop out if you want me to. No, I can't be the first to drop out in this room because I promise will.
But if all my boys drop out and we got to do the podcast. No, it's not a lie for me to say I am thinking about dropping out.
Okay. I'm thinking of it.
When you've thought about it, let me know. I'm currently thinking about it right now.
I've been thinking about it constantly. Yeah.
Big Cat and PFT are both considering dropping out the beer games. And in real small font, what it would be like if we dropped out.
Will keeps getting mad at me because I said, I don't want to go, but I'm going to go. He's like, can you just stop saying you don't want to go? It's like, but I'm being honest.
I do not want to do this. But I'm going to.
That's a great friend move. I don't want to, but I'm going to.
Sometimes you gotta do things you don't want to do. Like Hank pledging

$10,000 to Vanny Woodhead. If James Harden

invites us on the bachelor party, I'm not going to beer games.

James, you have a chance to save us.

Alright, numbers.

8. 18.
20.

56.

3.

99 pug.

21.

62.

Fuck it.

Why?

Why not?

Max, have you ever gotten this?

No.

89.

89.

Love you guys.

Steve Swift.