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The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, June 12th.
And PFT, this is why we should never take vacations. I'm taking a three-day vacation with my family.
We taped the show earlier today. And then I would say the biggest news that's ever happened in the history of this podcast taking place happened.
And Joey Chestnut has been banned from the Nathan's hot dog eating competition on July 4th. And America is at its knees.
It's the end of it. It feels like the late stages of an empire.
This is the sign. When people say that on the news, I was like, ah, no, we're we're fine america's still fine today was the first day where i was like we might be in some trouble we used to be a country a proper country where men could gather around on the fourth of july and eat 70 hot dogs and have the whole world rejoice it was a positive force for america i love the fourth of july i love the hot dog eating contest i haven't missed it going back to the kobayashi years when it became an event and now major league eating i don't know which side to take here am i taking joey's i want to take joey's side because i like joey chestnut and he is a goddamn american hero uh but major league eating is saying that he was doing a sponsorship deal with impossible meats, which that's a little weird to

begin with for Joey to be doing that sponsorship, but they're paying him. I'm not going to judge him for taking the bag.
Uh, and there was a sponsorship that conflicted with the Nathan's hot dog getting, some people were saying he was going to try to eat vegan hot dogs. I know Joey just not pretty well.
That's crazy. And I'm pretty, I'm sure that Joey would not want any sort of competitive imbalance that would go along with eating a vegan hot dog.

So I saw that rumor going around. If Joey Chestnut tried to eat the vegan hot dogs on the 4th of July, I would 100% be on the side of Major League eating.
Don't ever let him eat another hot dog again in his life. I don't think that ever was on the table.
I also, I don't know about Impossible Meats. Are there bugs in the hot dogs? Cause I will not eat the bugs.
So I want to make sure that I have all my facts right before I take a stand here. I will not eat the bugs.
I don't know if there's bugs. I don't think that there's bugs in them.
I, okay. My knowledge, it's just, it's fake meat.
It's like soy. I will not eat the bugs.
Here's the thing. One Joey chest, not being, not being not being there means that 4th of July is basically canceled.
Now, people who are arguing he should never do an impossible meets brand sponsorship, I understand. I felt a little betrayed as well.
But at the end of the day, Joey Chestnut is at the top of the list of guys that I root for to be really rich because he's a legend. He's an American hero.
He's one of the greatest athletes I've ever seen in my entire life. I thank my lucky stars that I was put on this earth at the same time as Joey Chestnut.
Joey Chestnut's not rich as far as I can tell because the dude is still like going to Schenectady, New York in the middle of May to down a hundred oysters for five grand. Like I'm pretty sure that he just needs the sponsorships he gets.
So I'm hoping it's like a live situation where Joey Chestnut is just getting the bag from impossible meats. And I tip my cap to them because I'll never ever pocket watch or judge someone who's going to get their money.
I'm just really sad overall. Like overall, the whole situation has saddened me and shook me way more than I thought it would.
I was thinking about this from the moment it was announced because then I got on my flight until we were able to talk about it here. It's been just rattling my whole like my wife was like, what's wrong? I was just like, I don't want to talk about it right now.
Joey Chestnut's not going to compete in the 4th of July. I was that upset.
Yeah, I'm fine with Joey getting paid. Get paid by any means necessary.
I can't imagine that the career span of a competitive eater goes into your, like, 50s and 60s. I feel like it's a young man's game, so get the bag when you can.
He's also the best to ever do something that everybody that has ever lived does. Yes.
We've all eaten. Every person here.
Everybody eats. Joey Chestnut is the best person, the best eater of all time in the history of the world.
He needs to be rich for that fact. So yes, get the bag.
I don't know if

it's a live situation. There are some similarities there, like kingdom of Saudi Arabia and PETA handshake.
Don't eat pork. I get that, but I don't think that there is a, I don't think that there's like a competitive league that's forming.
That's trying to draw players away. I think if anything, and our friend TJ pointed this out, TJ Hitchens, he might be putting us all over.
This might be a work. That's why I want to talk to Joey about it, because Impossible Meets does some sort of co-branding with Nathan's.
So there's already a business relationship there. I don't know if this is him turning heel, and then he's going to come back like stone cold.
I don't know what's going to happen. But I do know that my 4th of July is

going to be significantly worse. And I know people want to take Hank, I'll get you a sec.
I know

people want to take stands and I understand that. And I get it because my initial reaction was like,

how could they ban him? And then when I realized it was impossible burgers and there could

potentially be bugs at stake here. That's not American, like eating bug burgers, eating bug

Thank you. ban him and then when I realized it was impossible burgers and there could potentially be bugs at stake here um that's not American like eating bug burgers eating bug dogs on on fourth of July is not American which I'm upset that Joey took that type of money but at the end of the day I think this whole story just bummed me out more than anything it's like one of those ones where I'm just sad about every how everything why can't we get to the table and figure out why can't america and joey chestnut shake hands on july 4th like we this is putting the world to pick a side between joey chestnut and the country we love it's impossible no pun intended well because joey is a very unique creation of the country that we love.

Joey Chesnut would not exist in any other country.

But because of the good old USA and the stars and stripes, we have the best person to ever eat food that lives within our borders.

And we all get to watch them and root for them on TV.

And it's actually sad because this is an example of human greatness that we're all going to miss out on the 4th of July because of some sort of business dispute.

And so we're really the, we're the losers here.

And I'm, I'm hoping we can get Joey on the show at some point in the next week or so.

I would love to maybe figure out a way to see how many Barstool employees Joey thinks he could challenge on the 4th of July.

which would be pretty fun or Kobayashi but like

Thank you. how many Barstool employees Joey thinks he could challenge on the 4th of July.
It's pretty fun. Well, or Kobayashi, but like, Joey, what's the number of people you think that you could beat on the 4th of July? And he just took on like 15 of us.
Kobayashi did retire from eating. He did.
But you can always, there's, if we've learned anything, everyone's got a price. I mean, we can cut it, Big Cat.
We were talking to them last year. We had them doing their return match.
I know, but Kobayashi retired since then. Oh, he retired again? I think he retired again.
We were talking about it. We were going to do a rough and rowdy Joey Chestnut-Kobayashi mashup where it would be like in between fight 10 and 11, they come out and eat a shitload of dogs.
And then we go right back to fight. Yeah.
We discussed that with Joey when he was on the podcast. Yeah.
Yeah. No, then there was serious.
There was serious negotiations for months and it went nowhere, but, but it was like, it was was happening. Yeah.
I'm just sad. I also love whenever a story like this happens where, like, from the outside, people will be like, are you guys really leading the podcast with hot dog eating, like losers? No, we're not losers.
And I'll show you how serious this is. In the press release for Major League Eating, Major League Eating said in a statement, for nearly two decades we have worked under the same basic hot dog exclusivity provisions.
I love that there were hot dog exclusivity provisions. I didn't know that.
Yeah. And then Joey issued a statement four hours ago.
Joey posted this online online i was gutted to learn from the media that after 19 years i'm banned from the nathan's july 4th hot dog eating contest i love competing that event i love celebrating america with my fans all over this great country on the fourth i've been training to defend my title first of all kind of a rat move that he learned about this from the media. He found out the same way we all found out.

He goes on.

He says to set the record straight.

I do not have a contract with MLE or Nathan's and they're looking to change the rules in past years as it relates to other partners I could work with.

This is apparently the basis on which I'm being banned and it doesn't impact

the July 4th event.

Sadly,

this is the decision Nathan's and major league eating are making and it will deprive the great fans of the holiday's usual joy and entertainment. To my fans, I love you and I appreciate you.
Rest assured that you'll see me eat again soon. Stay hungry.
I feel like John Madden died all over again. That's how I feel right now.
Yeah, it's a turducken of sadness. I'm grieving.
I actually have had a – I don't know what to say. You can't have 4th of July without Joey Chestnut.
So we'll try our best to figure out a way to get Joey Chestnut into the 4th of July, whether it's through Nathan's or not. But I don't know how we can't – I guess this is like – now I understand why countries go to war.
Like how can you not – we're sitting back and being like, how can Major League Eating and Joey Chestnut not sit down and figure this whole thing out? Yeah, they should be – Fuck the vegan dogs. Fuck the buzz dogs.
So what is the core issue here? Are they afraid that Joey is going to show up wearing an impossible hot dogs hat? No, I think he just – I think they said that it would be like if if mj was like oh now i'm wearing adidas but i don't know it's not he was gonna compete in nathan's he wasn't gonna talk about impossible burgers he was just doing that on the outside on the outside of the fourth of july which i think he should be allowed to do i think he should be allowed to get i wish he didn't do the bug dogs but i think he should be allowed to get his money i think they're soy boys i don't think that there's any insects in those dogs okay well i'm not gonna eat the bugs i just want that very clear how i will drink the bugs i will do the cicada shot what how rich do you think joey chestnut should be in your in your estimate like if we're up to you billionaire okay iaire. Okay.
I'm being honest.

Joey Chestnut. What is Joey Chestnut? What does Jeff Bezos do better than Joey Chestnut? Not a lot.
What does Elon Musk do better than Joey Chestnut? Like, I want Joey Chestnut to be so rich that he can do whatever he wants, and then every Fourth of July he just comes in in in in his helicopter maybe even in like an inspector gadget suit just fucking swoops in eats his 74 hot dogs wows the crowd and then swoops out and he just goes back to his awesome life that's what he deserves the amount that he trains is is crazy too like he is he is literally an athlete he is as good at his sport as anybody's ever been at their sport he is yeah he's jesse owens michael jordan uh shohei otani secretary of minus the steroids secretary it's heart yeah all rolled into one that's what joey is how rich do you think he should be hank no i was just curious you brought that up a couple times but he's it's one event a year i don't know how like it's not one of a year but it but it but that my point is like a year he should he has one event a year he should be able to go get his money outside of that because the other the oyster eating competition isn't paying he goes and eats like you know you see him and him and he's in Bakersfield, California, eating cake flavored tampons for seven grand.

It's like the guy deserves more than that.

He deserves more.

Hank, by the way, I thought you had a flight tonight.

Why are you at home?

I did have a flight tonight, but I'm back in Chicago, and I'm feeling it. What happened? Nice drop there.
What happened? I was going to save it for Fyre Fest because they talk about golf, like don't compound mistakes, don't let one bad shot become two bad shots, et cetera shots etc etc um my real life version of that was at the end of my last trip which was a couple months ago my suitcase i realized broke like when i put it down the handle and i couldn't pull it up and i had to fucking like push my suitcase like basically lean down and and push it and roll it in the airport all the way to my car, which was a brutal experience. Oh, wow.
Completely forgot about it. And then today I packed up my suitcase.
I'm waiting for my elevator. I go to pull up the handle.
It's broken. And I started like jamming the suitcase, trying to open it.
I put my backpack down, really fucking got in there and started jamming it.

Finally opened it, get on the elevator, get in the Uber, sit in the Uber for like an hour

and 10 minutes because of traffic.

Get out, gives me my suitcase.

I walk inside.

I'm like, oh shit.

Realize I forgot my backpack.

Run out.

Like hope I can catch my Uber. Catch them.
I'm like, no, no, no. I left didn't i was like i just opened the back not in there not in the back left it at my house and it had it had all the shit i needed like i was debating whether or not i could just not have anything my backpack but it had my laptop my mic a bunch of the a bunch of shirts i needed like it had a bunch of stuff that i needed so then i had to marijuana turner no no no marijuana don't travel your gun uh my gun your full tool set that you try to bring it was more my laptop and mike wait this is so much worse than I thought.
You had your backpack on and you put it down? Because my suitcase was broken. You did walk down without your backpack? Yeah, because I was doing it as my elevator was coming up.
So I finally opened it as my elevator got up and I just got right on. And then it was an hour and a half to get back, so I just went to Rosemont, Illinois, got my hair cut, and about some old woman did it in like 10 minutes.
Ate a depressing subway stop. So you did compound a mistake with a mistake.
Well, I was like, I'm not going to sit and travel. I just sat in traffic for an hour and a half.
I don't want to sit in traffic for two hours now. Like I need to just like, I need to go eat.
And I needed to get a haircut, which I was going to do tomorrow, which then I obviously don't have time to do tomorrow. So I was like, I need to get a haircut somewhere.
And I just found the closest place. So yeah, I'm home.
And I missed off all. Are you flying out tomorrow? I'm flying out first thing in the morning.
Oh, my God. Set your alarm.
Well, Hank, so you also had – so that's bad news. Also, you had bad news with Celtics, which I don't – should we have you read the injury, and then do you want an apology from Max? What do you want? Max famously on Sunday night said, oh, Chris Stops is hurt again.
Let's go. Context.
I spent the whole Uber up there when I thought I had my back back. I'm thinking I'm just getting on the flight.
I'm like, we're cursed. We're cursed.
We're cursed. We're cursed.
Is there a chance we're cursed? This is bad. I've never spent – there is nothing like being a sports fan and going across the various sports Twitter doctors and kind of choosing the one that you like that sounds the best because there was conflicting reports all over the place with like, oh, this is bad.
He might never play again. Oh, they can tape it up and he can be fine.
I don't know what to believe. He's listed as questionable for game three.
And it's like, I think Max cursed us. Wait, so what? Read the injury report, Hank.
This is just trying to make me sound dumb. No, I just want you to read the injury report.
And I want Max to apologize to you. Max, are you getting a lot of hate tweets? And this is Schaums too, so who knows.
Celtics' Chris Saps Porzingis suffered a torn medial retinaculum, allowing dislocation of the posterior tobialis tendon. That's pretty good.
Yeah. I read this.
I don't know if he has a sprained ankle or he's never going to walk again. All right.
So I got a report. It's been like 12 people in the last 150 years to get this injury.
Yeah, it's not good. It's not good when the Twitter doctors are putting like parentheses, very rare on the injury report.
And when there's parts of the body that you didn't even know existed, not usually good.

Our friend Sam Decker said,

I didn't even know you could tear the whatever.

Say it again, Hank.

Torn medial retinaculum.

Yeah, he said, I didn't even know you could tear that.

Retinaculum.

So I reached out directly to Pro Football Doc

because I wanted to get the report to pass the news along to max because max really wanted to update on this he said uh porzingis no bueno you can quote me on this is what he said no bueno out for finals not exactly but the comparison is kurt shilling that's a good that's good kurt shilling won a world series that year yeah and he won the game i have a doctor shout out dr dan uh who told me that the closest thing that he could find uh that is a little more common was when von miller dislocated his peroneal tendons on the other side of your ankle in training camp in 2020 he missed the entire season. But that's how rare it is.
The rest of the game, though. That's how rare it is that he was like, the closest thing you could comp is someone in football tearing the other side of their ankle, which is kind of similar but not really similar because no one ever has done this.
So what do you think, Hank? I literally don't know what to think. they already did the injury report for tomorrow he's listed as questionable my gut tells me he's not going to play tomorrow and then maybe depending what happens tomorrow like i don't know it seems he said after uh game two that he would die on the floor and the only basically the only way he's not going to play is if the Celtics medical staff literally refused to allow it.
I tried to get some intel on like if our medical staff are dogs or not. How seriously do you take that Hippocratic oath? Well, yeah.
Like are early. Yeah, like are they dogs are they dogs are they just gonna be like let's fucking go in a championship are they gonna just like you know the book says sit he looked like he couldn't move after he heard it i know like we watched it and we're like this looks weird he's not moving well and it's such a rare injury i don't know if there's a book on this injury that's what i'm saying like it's it would be such a rare blackjack hand that there's no book on it but he's walking around fine he's doesn't have a brace on like tape exists they got shit for that like that you know it's scary i don't want to say that I want him to risk never being able to play again.

Good thing you didn't say that.

But he said he would die on the floor, and if he wants to play,

he should be allowed to make that decision as an adult.

I think you guys can win this series without him.

I do, too, but, like, I don't like even – I just don't – I don't like it.

So with Porzingis, you guys have won 76% of your games without Porzingis you've won 86%. No other way around you think right? Yeah.
No. With Porzingis 76? They've won 76% of their games with Kristaps Porzingis they've won 86% of their games without Porzingis.
Is that true? Yeah. You're looking at the stat? I'm looking at the stat.
That's the regular season and the playoffs this year. So there you go.
You're fine. And Curt Schilling.
And Curt Schilling. I think you're fine.
Max, how's it going online for you? Because you wished this into existence. I did not wish this into existence.

You celebrated it. I did not celebrate the injury.
I celebrated the circumstance of the situation. And why did you go run up a fucking tree like a cat? I was scared and I was hiding because I didn't want to speak with you, Henry.

That's why I tried to climb up on the roof is because I was afraid.

I climbed up the ladder and then I realized I started crying because it was too high.

I'm scared of ladders, okay?

That's where you went. Wait, what did you say?

You celebrated this, what was that? Circumstance. Not the injury.
The circumstance of this situation? The circumstance of me forgetting to update the hurt or injured board, and it became relevant again when it would have been irrelevant. Got it.
But I didn't actually want him to get hurt. I was like, oh, that's a discussion.
Because at the end of the game, no one really thought he was that hurt. Fact or fiction? I thought he was hurt.
Henry, fact or fiction? Fiction. If he went down and tore his foot into two, I wouldn't have said that.
But it was like, oh, yeah, he got a little dinged up. You thought he was hurt or he was injured.
Quite literally, that's what you thought. Correct.
But we didn't know which. He celebrated the circumstance of the situation.
Do you want to put him in jail for that? Put him in jail for that. I think Max, I kind of agree with him.
I don't think that he celebrated the injury. I think he celebrated the hurt.
But the question is, deep down, he celebrated the injury. No, Max just shook his head max agreed he said yeah he celebrated the hurt and it turned it turned into an injury and then that that explains max is running away in shame trying to climb up a tree to get away from hank is because he knew deep down that he might have had something to do with it the optics are bad the optics are bad i'm i'm willing to agree to that.
The optics were you stuck in a tunnel on a ladder being like, help. Well, I knew that it was going to look that way.
But deep down that I know in my head that I was not truly celebrating his injury. I was celebrating the circumstance.
You're talking about Sunday night, but now you also know

deep down in your head that you're happy that

he's injured. That's where you

and Roan piss me off

because you're both scumbags, and

you know you're scumbags,

and we know you're scumbags.

But when push comes to shove, you're like, no, no,

no, it's great.

Let's see what happens in game

three.

How's it online for you right now, Max?

I don't give a shit. I mean, Celtics

Thank you. No, no, it's great.
Well, let's see what happens in game three. Okay.
How's it online for you right now, Max? I don't give a shit. I mean, Celtics fans are always going to be up my ass.
I mean, it's Boston. Boston's a fucking trash-ass town.
Trash-ass people. And can't fucking make flights.
And get shitty haircuts. Oh, no.
Not the haircut. I take the haircut back.
It actually looks pretty good. You good Hank is thinking about it because he keeps looking and doing the move where he's just like you can tell if you're watching this right now Hank has checked himself out about 17 times I mean it's a big day tomorrow and I had to go to a fucking 50 year old woman giving me a fade and I did it did you get did you get your haircut to impress Tom duh what duh duh so wait talk to me about your decision making about where you got your haircut you just picked a random stop and got off and then looked for a woman to cut your hair well also my phone was dying um you're had to be 31 i wasn't trying to compound a mistake with another mistake you're gonna be 31 and two tomorrow tomorrow and tomorrow uh tomorrow yeah tomorrow eve yeah no it all worked out um it's all good but But yeah, I just Googled haircuts nearby, and I went to one that was close.

And you got your phone charged.

It was a 50-year-old woman.

She cut my hair in 20 minutes, so my phone charged like 5%. I think it's all right.

Yeah, it's fine.

All right, last thing. Wait, Hank, you think Kristaps is not going to play tomorrow? Or today? My gut says no.
Okay. And Max, what kind of celebration do you have planned for when he doesn't play? Zero.
I want him to play. And karma also may have already gotten me because I could have broken part of my hand.
Oh, no. Why would it be karma if you were just celebrating the circumstances of the situation? Well, the optics, the optics of the karma.
Got it. Wait, but so wouldn't then the optics when the karma retribution just be like a superficial injury, not an actual injury? Well, it could be like it hurts right now, but it might not be a real injury.
Okay. So I think that if it's not a real injury, look, yeah, then you actually are innocent.
But if it's a real injury, then you're guilty. I'm willing to accept that.
Okay. That I had one last thing for us.
I teased it to you guys on the text chain. Our guy pug, our guy pug beast.
Um, um, I had one last thing for us. Uh, I, I teased it to you guys on the text chain.

Our guy pug,

our guy pug beast.

Um,

is he though?

I think so.

Beast.

He might be a pussy.

This is my text exchange with pug earlier today.

I was laughing so hard.

Pug text me.

So for context, um, I have season tickets to the cubs who suck uh blew another game tonight they're fucking trash right now uh pug texted me at 240 today he said no hey do you know of anywhere employees can get discounts on cubs tickets was Was trying to hit a game this weekend. And I replied to the text that he asked.
And I said, I'm pretty sure. I know GameTime has a code.
We talk about the ad all the time. GameTime has great last minute deals, zone deals, flash deals, get them all.
And I said, you could also ask memes or Hank because Game Time, our wonderful sponsor, gives us a lot of amount of tickets every month. I said, you may be able to get free tickets with Game Time.
And he said, will do. Appreciate it.
This is at 2.40. End of conversation.
5.11 p.m., he texts me, my bad. I giant pussy are your tickets available this weekend there's more to this story that you don't know about what what has been asking us about your tickets all week and i have told him so many times just ask just ask he has told us that if he's not he's going on vacation he's not going to be here all you have to do is ask him if the tickets are available and he's like yeah but like i don't know like i don't want to like make it look like i like that i need that i needed tickets like that's a bad look i'm like dude literally tells us, ask if you want to go to the game.

And he was like, well, I thought if I asked him this way,

that maybe he would have just like on his own, just given me the tickets.

So that's when he showed me what he sent to you.

And memes looks at him and goes, type this word for word.

Say, I'm a pussy.

Are your tickets available this weekend?

Pug writes it out.

He writes it out. He writes it out.

He then gives me the phone and then goes, you have to click send.

Also, not to mention, he has two friends coming this weekend and he gave him two tickets.

I have two tickets, Pug.

He's like, I don't really know what to do with the two tickets.

Wait, so now you can't because I sent them to you, Pug.

Did you get them?

Yes, I sent you the Saturday tickets. So now what are you going to do? You i sent you i have two tickets he's like i'll figure it out i'll figure it out i'm very appreciative of the tickets how many tickets did you think i had i don't know i was just trying to put feelers out you're just trying to collect as many tickets as you can get the initial text was like i was just hoping deep down you would

say like oh i have tickets yeah you know what i have three here you go wait but pug this is crazy because like i'm happy to give you tickets like max says i tell you guys all the time like it just ask like there's days that i am using them or or the or my friend who i colon with is using them But Pug, you now have two tickets that are like good tickets and you have three people. What are you going to do? Are you going to sell my tickets? And then no, no, no.
I would never do that. I could get another ticket in that section and just try to be close.
That's expensive, Pug. Yeah.
Or this is now a thing. We can probably do a game time thing.
Yeah, we can do a game time. Pug, I'm going to give you right now.
I'm going to tell you right now. You are free and clear to sell my tickets to buy three more tickets.
Now I feel bad again. No, you don't.
I'm telling you you're free and clear to do it. If you would like do that or i'll just buy you three tickets or just buy so yeah sell the three tickets what are you afraid of why why were you scared to ask i felt like it would be very like i thought it'd be rude just be like hey you got tickets can i have them like i just felt like that was i actually can understand that i can understand that it probably would have been better if you up to just seen me – Yeah, if you had seen me this morning, you were just like, hey, I got some buddies in town.
Because then that actually would have been an easier conversation. You're like, I have buddies in town.
I'd be like, how many? You'd be like, two. I'd be like, well, I only have two tickets.
I think that was the plan, and I just – the timeline never lined up. I probably could have done it.
It was all week. It was all week.
He was terrified to have the conversation. He was never lined up.
And I have done it it was all week it was all week he he was terrified to have the conversation he was never lined up and i just it was a bad plug i offer the tickets all the time i know i don't know you you over so much he thought that it didn't he thought that that didn't apply to him was why he was like do you think that applies to me too i'm like yes You literally work for like you work directly for him like you do i love you but it's not like a random like intern going through the office being like hey big cat can i have your cubs tickets you see him like every single day and you work directly for him we plug we i mean we now have to figure out this ticket situation because you have two tickets and three people and and they're in a nice section, so it's like you can't. I'll buy you another seat.
It's also Cubs-Cardinals. I'm appreciative of anything.
A Saturday Cubs-Cardinals game is a very expensive ticket. I'm a pussy.
I love you, Puck. You guys believe just ask i believe it but i everyone here has asked for tickets except pug just been like hey can i use the tickets i'm like yeah no problem yeah it's it's a learning lesson next time i'm just going direct direct to you and just you next time i want you to come up me and say, hey, fuck face.
Give me your tickets. I'll respect that.
Will do. Will do.
Also, this whole show, while you guys are doing the rest of the show and we were on mute, probably just look over me. He's like, this is going to be bad.
No, it's not bad. It's just funny.
Yeah. To get a text from him being like, hey, I'm a pussy.
I actually was wondering if I could have your ticket. Yeah, I overthought it.
Oh, Pug, I love you. All right, I'm going to go on game time.
I need you to just be brutally honest from now on because I feel like you're holding back on us. All right, that's fine.
What if Pug is holding back on us and he's just a fucking monster? Yeah, he's just a real asshole. This could be his jokerfication.

Yeah, he just starts

shoving us around.

Just being like, listen, assholes. I'm Pug.

Get the fuck out of my way.

Fuck you guys, actually. Pug.

Yeah, there you go, Pug.

Alright, Pug, I'm gonna buy you

another seat.

Game time. Shout out game time.

We're gonna buy you a seat and we'll get all three boys in there.

I apologize for the fuck you.

Sorry.

Hug.

Okay, I think let's kick it to ourselves.

We got Dan Hurley talk.

We got Michael Collins.

We got Kevin Love.

We got Pardon Your Take, contentious Pardon Your Take.

So let's kick it back to ourselves in studio.

Today is Wednesday, June 12thth and dan hurley is staying in stores connecticut all is right with the world great job by dan hurley getting paid so much money yes they're upping his contract right now smart move on his part not signing a contract after kentucky yep waiting so they're retooling he turned down the offer from from Los

Angeles uh I don't know if he ever really wanted the job I feel like he he might have just played this perfectly use the job to get more money stay at home Dan Hurley might be um so back-to-back national titles obviously the new face of college basketball coaching and then to turn down Kentucky and the Lakers

in the same

three months of college basketball coaching and then to turn down Kentucky and the Lakers in the same three-month span, that's a historic run. It's great.
That's a historic run to turn down those two entities in that amount of time for that much money. He's just flexing on everyone, and it might just simply be that his wife does not want to leave uh the northeast yeah she's she's a ride or die she's like los angeles dan you know you can't even get a good cup of piss out there yeah you're not gonna be able to find your drinks you're not gonna have fun the weather's gonna be too nice his vibe is just northeast bad weather a little bit pissed off all the time i would not like to see him in la i think he fits in connecticut sometimes the grass isn't always greener and now lebron back to the drawing board i was saying it's a bad look for podcasters getting turned down by dan hurley your guy that you wanted lebron does kind of get like the lakers get embarrassed here a little bit this is coach k did it uh 20 years ago but you don't turn down the lakers are the lakers in trouble trouble? The Lakers might be in trouble.
Oh, they're getting Bronny. I also always say it's actually the headlight right now.
Yeah, but Bronny's not going to be able to be developed. Do you think J.J.
Reddick's going to be able to develop Bronny? Someone needs to develop this boy. They need to get their hands on him and figure out how to develop him.
They need to hire a special coach just for Bronny. Just for development.
Tom Crean. already in the building tom creen did a great job anthony edwards yeah just get him just have him hang out yeah um it's it's actually the headline right now on espn it says lakers are embarrassed now but they can they recover after hurley's rejection and it just bears repeating but rob palenka just is rob low every single time i see a picture yeah it's rob Lowe just like him I don't understand and they aren't the same guy they have the show about the Clippers like they got to do it they did the you know the Showtime Lakers they have to be doing something with Rob Lowe as Palenka at some point what would they do just punked Fab Five he was on the Fab Five team but he was yeah but he wasn't around for Kobebe and shaq yeah actually the bubble you know it would it would rock boring series ever yeah the bubble series that'd be that'd be trash even any movie that comes out that even mentions covid i'm like no don't want to see it don't want to relive that in my brain yeah it'd be very funny if they did an episode of punked and it was rob low playing rob palenka and he's interviewing jick, being like, hey, you want the Lakers job? And then J.J.'s like, yes, and Rob Lowe's like, you've been Punk'd.
I like that. I'm not actually the guy.
Yeah, and we got you. We got you.
But also, you're going to get hired because we don't have any other options. Yeah, but still, this was our idea for Punk'd, but now it turns out that nobody else can coach this team.
It's a big day for they're supposed to be the Lakers guys. Right.
You're supposed to be the Lakers. Right.
You're supposed to get any coach you want, any free agent you want. Yes.
Yeah, you should be able to just essentially, I mean, it's the Lakers and the Yankees. Yeah.
Every player, coach, successful person is just a future Laker or Yankee. They don't know it yet.
If the Lakers or Yankees decide it that then it is done, you will be mine one day. Yeah.
Right. Oh yes.
You don't have a say in it. It's not non-consensual.
They just, and, and now Dan Hurley has bucked the trend and he's having, he's having a hell of a run. And did you see also he is getting a free wings for life from Jay Timothy's Tavern, uh, somewhere in Connecticut.
They offered free wings for life. If he stays's great that's a great deal that's uh you don't even need to do the contract anymore it would be funny if you just stopped coaching and just got fat and just ate free wings every single day this is that's my job yeah if anybody offers me free wings for life i might just quit i might retire you don't have to worry about buying food anymore yeah major expense free wings for life yeah that's the best retirement plan uh so i'm happy for college basketball though this is good for college basketball this is good for uh having like this the hard-nosed old school throwback coach one person in this room though it really sucks for and that would be our guy maxwell well he's not in this room uh yeah i guess he's not in this room.
Yeah, I guess he's not in this room.

I knew he wasn't leaving.

You knew it?

I never got my hopes up for him to leave once.

Yeah.

Even when he took...

Even I was on the golf course yesterday, and I was told that, and I was like, yep, that's fine.

I knew he was staying.

There was no chance that he was leaving.

You were golfing yesterday?

Yep.

On a work day?

Yep.

Billy still can't believe it, by the way.

For work.

You either die a Max or you live long enough to become a Hank. Yeah yeah i mean you've now become a hank i'm hank uh do you have a good day great day great monday i had a question too uh so you i agree with you that you uh never fully believed it you were kind of consistent with that you're like he's gonna stay this is i i don't want to get my hopes up I did see though when it all went down yesterday Alex Caravan who's going to the NBA tweeted about Dan Hurley coming back to the UConn what why would he care he's he's in the NBA Max well yeah he came back what no you told me he was going to the NBA you you told him no you told us he came back you you actually sent us the the tweet that's saying he was testing the waters for the nba and you said max was right looking for max was wrong here there you go oh wow and i said while maintaining his college eligibility and you said no he's gone you can't write a letter like he wrote and come back but he's back whatever so i guess congrats to yukon on winning another championship probably waltzing through the big east it is i mean to go three in a row would be hasn't been done since john wouldn't yeah it would never be done again it'd be incredible especially in this era yeah uh okay so yeah you guys that sucks for you max even though you never got your hopes up it also sucks for billy we can't really trust him as a reporter anymore well i'm not i'm not ready to write billy's report off just yet okay because billy told us that well he told the world that dan hurley was going to go to the lakers he confirmed that by getting stretched by dan hurley's son yeah uh and then when the report came out that he was staying uh big cat you hit up billy pretty much right away and just asked him, hey, what's going on with this report, Billy?

We thought that we could trust you on this one.

And Billy said, I need to talk to Andrew.

I need to make sure that this is actually official, official.

It could still happen.

So we don't know.

We don't know if Dan Hurley's staying at UConn, per Billy.

Billy has to talk to Andrew and see if he gets shushed again.

Yeah, yeah.

So he said

um he said i don't believe it the son was nodding his head while shushing they were having mimosas yeah he said if you drink a mimosa at 10 a.m that's a man who doesn't have a hard decision to make billy also said right but wouldn't that he staying in yukon was the not hard decision that also true like you know what it sounds like to me mimosas can be a like a great time or like the worst time ever you need a mimosa yeah there's no true someone drinking a mimosa could be in any state of mind i think it's pretty obvious what happened dan hurley drinking a mimosa probably the morning of his interview he just got a great vacation with his family to los angeles and he was like oh fuck it i'm gonna i'm gonna to hit the bottomless mimosa bar before this interview with the Lakers. I don't give a shit if they offer me the job.
Let's have a good time. I'm getting paid more regardless.
Yeah. What's the mimosa champagne and orange juice? Champagne and orange juice, yeah.
Not a mimosa guy. Screwdriver.
Screwdriver over all the Bloody Mary mimosa, all that shit. Let me put you on some game, big cat.
Yeah? Do a screwdriver with some champagne in it. No, I don't like champagne.
That's the whole reason I don't like mimosa. It's good.
Carbonation. Yeah.
The bubbles are good. I don't like champagne.
But a little taste. You know what's good? No, I'm telling you, I do not like champagne.
Not a little taste. Okay.
Watermelon mimosa, pretty good, too. Oh, that sounds good.
Yeah. How do you a yellow watermelon.
What about a watermelon screwdriver? Yeah, you can do that. Okay.
And then add some champagne, too. No, I don't like the champagne.
You know there's yellow watermelons, PFT? Yes. Yellow watermelons? Not for me.
We had that on the golf course yesterday. Not for me.
It was a little weird. Hank also, when we got there, because we were doing, for Paz Chicago, we were doing their golf outing.
I wasn't golfing because I had to work, but I went for the first hour or so. And we represented in your- Hank showed up an hour late.
Shut up. And then was like, where the hell's the food? And it looked like he was the Pied Piper.
There was about 10 of us following him around the entire private club while he was looking for the food. He's like, where are the food? You got burgers? You got hot? He's yelling at random people.
And then he found it. Tea time was at 1130.
Big Cat told everyone to get there at 830. No, whoa, whoa.
I did not. I did not.
I did not say anything. I followed directions.
We showed up at 930. We had two and a half hours.
I followed directions. Did you get food? I followed directions.
Yeah, we had lunch. We played.
We hit the range for an hour. We had all the time in the world great spread but you got food got food okay that's we were the first ones to eat and the first on the range we should tell people just in case there there might be some people listening like hey maybe this show's a little bit different right now you might notice a change in our voice or it takes it is 9 41 yeah on tuesday morning which is early uh hank does your brain work this early are you fully awake yet no i already worked out this morning oh shit did you eat i haven't ate oh god you gotta eat i know it's taco tuesday down the street damn yeah i'm going on i'm going on a mini three-day vacation so we'll zoom zoom show on thursday although we've already done the interview uh appreciate the boys letting me do a zoom show it's you know what it was i was trying to remember why i'm going away today and then it dawned on me that it's because my kids are out of school but their camp hasn't started yet so my wife was like we're doing something i'm not dealing with this while you go to work i was like that's fair yeah it's completely fair yeah you forget that kids get out of school and then that's like the worst time for parents when you're a kid they just summer vacation was the best it just flex they're just like i don't got school today what would happen if you just like let them stay at home like okay don't don't break anything by themselves yeah very big problem if you came home yeah like three hours let them at home for three hours i mean they probably would just be crying at the door being like, we got scared.
Where'd you go? Yeah. You got to learn sometimes.
A five and a three-year-old, they play well together, but it's just pre-fighting. When they're playing well together, it's pre-fight.
Yeah. It's a pre-fight dance.
It always leads to a fight. Yeah.
But wait, what were we talking about with Billy? Oh, Billy. Yeah.
So Billyy's report he saw him drinking mimosas to me that's that screams guy that's on free vacation yep doesn't care about interview yeah he basically i'm gonna take the i'm gonna take the visit so i can get the steak yeah and and get to see the facilities we all like and then i'm done we like being mimosa'd and dined correct everybody likes that uh billy said to big cat's question so we think maybe still lakers uh billy said yeah to be honest i i know what i saw i think him staying is bs or they were straight up clowning me so billy's essentially saying i don't agree i hear that you're staying at uconn i don't agree with you yes i don't agree that that dan hurley is staying at uconn even though the report's out It could happen. I'm just saying it hasn't been confirmed yet by Billy.
I don't agree with your decision. My interpretation is correct.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Billy got shushed.
You were drinking a mimosa. You must be going.
Turns out getting shushed is not confirmation of your report. Thank God we didn't report it because he told us not to.
Yeah. Turns out a Saturday morning with your family in Venice Beach,

you're probably going to be drinking, or Santa Monica,

you're probably going to be having a mimosas.

That's like one of the top mimosas spots in the world.

It's wonderful for mimosas.

And we don't know.

Billy might have been having mimosas too.

He probably had a lot of mimosas.

Yeah.

Yeah, so that was a big news story.

Then we obviously had the Panthers up 2-0 on the Oilers. We have the Panthers are just a hockey machine.
Their defense is so good. Just strangles the Oilers to death.
They played great, great team defense, and now the Oilers are in a must-win. I think they're a must-win game three, can't lose game four.
I think they're all must-wins. Okay.
I think that the Panthers, they have so many ways to beat you. It got a little chippy, which I think could be good for the Oilers.
Oh, I think it was desperate, by the way. It was like, we're going to play your style.
And the Panthers were like, okay, fine. Go ahead and play our style.
We'll still beat you. The nut shot at the end, that was desperation desperation right there that was frustration uh but it got a little chippy there were some elbows to jaws uh the the leg hit on lusterinen yeah and that was that was bad that was pretty dirty dirty probably deserving so i saw some people saying like the league's getting soft for uh giving gay misconduct for that to me even as a casual i was like yeah you can't do that in hockey game yeah try to take his knee out uh the panthers they they are a wagon uh i feel like they are the oilers are going to win game three at home though they need the tits they need the tits they need the tits because because the panthers have the little kid the little kid behind the glass flexing baby gronk's cousin is that really baby really Baby Gronk's cousin? Sure.
Feels like it. At some point, we're all related.
Yeah, that's true. Going way, way back.
Mangia. The Panthers do look like a machine.
They're a machine. They have an answer for everybody except for McDavid, who sometimes looks like he has to do it all himself.
When he's doing his little back and forth spins, getting the entire defense to chase him, and then finding a guy in front of the net who misses a shot. I was thinking about this last night.
If you're McDavid and you're so good at hockey, do you get frustrated with your teammates for not being as good as you? Definitely. I think you would, right? Definitely.
I played with a couple guys like that back in the day that just they were so mad at the rest of their team. Like, why can just do the things that i do right and you're just everyone's when he's moving the way he moves and you make a perfect pass and and you know someone's not able to bury it that would be frustrating it would be like just be me just be as good as me why can't why can't you be like me it's not that hard to do i do it every day bro yeah be brilliant with this uh they did get a goal on bob though they got one goal they kind of shot it through him yeah bob saved it and then the puck just kind of made its way through his body somehow bob's really good too at always getting his like his mask off or the goal uh comes comes off and they have to stop the play yeah anytime it feels like the oilers have a little bit of momentum him.
Yeah. Which is a savvy move by Bob.
It definitely is. Yeah.
He tells his defense, like, just run into the goal, please. Yeah.
Whitney and the Spittin' Chicklets boys will be there on, what is it, Thursday night? Yeah, Thursday night. Thursday night.
Extra day travel for the long travel. Yeah.
The pod is in the building. Pod is in the building.
Longest travel in the history of the Stanley Cup. I saw that, yeah.
poor poor journalists oh my god think about the imagine being a journal yeah they get the extra day off though so yeah but you the flight is just insane you gotta go through custom and they gotta go back you gotta come back maybe come back again you might not have to the panthers keep playing the way they are you get the mileage though yeah the frequent flyers yeah's true. But do you get to keep those? I think so.
I don't know. Sometimes companies don't do that.
They just bogart them for you? They'll book the flight themselves. Yeah.
It is tough. It is tough having to make all that travel.
Meals in various hotels that you might not be familiar with. Maybe you get locked out of your hotel room twice.
Yeah, it's tough. Living on the road.
Hard work. Hard's why they and then they have to turn around and do the draft is coming up like right away after that's brutal it's i really feel bad for hockey uh journalists especially charles barkley yes hockey journalist charles barkley you can put him on any show i when they brought him out after the first period i was just like i hope that charles barkley does every hockey game how many like he's gonna come on this show next year because he's gonna be so bored and like want something to do but how okay so good point hank because i or or good comment that i wanted to to just throw out there how many people do you think think that inside the nba is done forever right now a lot way too many a lot yeah the way they hank were you one? No.
Oh, okay. Next year.
Yeah. I was a couple months ago.
The way they made this seem, I think there's going to be a lot of people like, what? They're back on TV? Yeah. In the fall? Yeah.
They still have a whole other year. Magic Johnson thought it was over.
Yeah. He tweeted out about it, and then he had to delete the tweet once people were like, hey, it's actually not over this season.

Yeah.

It's next year.

But you're going to see Charles Barkley and Shaq at a level of not giving a fuck that we didn't think was possible.

Did you guys see the fan yelling at Charles Barkley?

I really wish Charles Barkley had punched that fan.

He should have punched him, yeah.

Yeah, because that guy.

He dropped an F-bomb on the Canadian broadcast.

Charles Barkley did?

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

Should he be in jail?

No.

Okay.

Just saying.

Does FCC apply to different countries? I don't know i don't i think the fcc is in america yeah so he's good you can say whatever you want on the air in canada yeah literally anything don cherry was on it for like 25 years yeah the uh there yeah there was a kid is probably like 19 years old going up to charles barkley like you have no rings you're a bum and i got i And I got mad for Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley shouldn't have to deal with that.
No. There's also an age.
If like a person that clearly watched it went up and kind of was ribbing him, but a kid who's like 18 years old who just doesn't, you weren't even alive when Charles Barkley was playing. That would piss me off.

It was funny when the kid went to the security guard afterwards and was like,

that man doesn't have any rings.

Yeah.

You don't understand.

He doesn't have a ring.

Yeah.

Charles said, he's like, what if I just punched him?

I wish he had. So Charles, the kid doesn't know that Charles Barkley back in the day,

he would throw guys like that through a window.

Yeah.

He actually did do that one time.

Yeah, he absolutely did.

He should be allowed to do it again.

Yeah.

Okay.

What else? Anything else before we do hot seat, cool throne, and then we get some interviews? Did you see? I saw that there, I think someone in the House, what is it, Congress, were petitioning to have Caitlin Clark on the U.S. Olympic team.
Yeah, good use of time. Okay.
I think there's a representative from Indiana. That one I saw and just like,

fuck this.

Oh no.

The guy from Indiana,

he,

he issued some sort of statement.

He wrote a letter,

I think to the WNBA asking to protect Caitlin Clark more.

It's crazy,

crazy.

And I'm,

I'm trying to think,

is there anything else that we got to talk about for hot seat?

Cool.

Throne.

I just want to say that the United States men's national team should fire

Greg Bertolter on the record. Why? Why isn why isn't this guy fired we he was every other day it's berthalter out just fucking make up your mind people he was fired in 2022 and then they brought him back actually fired well not renewed and they did a coaching search and they're like we're going to get back to to greg with six g's got it we lost 5-1 to columbia right and this is i've told you guys this because you guys get frustrated with u.s soccer being back is the u.s soccer team good they are a good team they've got very good players and in the next world cup they should be competing to reach like the quarterfinals semifinals right it should be one of the best teams in the world um but with greg it's not going to happen it's not and we know it's not going to happen but we're still keeping him around and it's very frustrating very frustrating for soccer get him out get burr halter out fire him i might boycott the u.s men's national team yeah i'm boycotting greg fuck greg so you're not going to watch no i'm boycotting him like i might not watch copa america because of greg i can't boycott the world cup okay no no boycotting the world cup i'll boycott some of the games the euros are coming up that we're not playing where are we what are we playing right now copa copa america yeah that's the united states version of the euros got it and we're gonna we have to win this or burr halter's out yeah i'm saying he must we have to make finals or else I...
But we're not going to watch it. I'm not going to watch some of the opening round games.
Okay. I just...
Every time I fucking see Burr Halter out, I'm like, what the fuck? This guy's still around? Yeah. It's crazy.
All he's done is get into a pissing match with our star player's dad. It's crazy.
And then he won't let the star player play because of that. Get this guy out of here.
He stinks. Get him out of here.
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We love Coors Light, the drink of the summer. Hank, your seat is the field oh uh at the u.s open okay the greens windham clark came out yesterday said they're borderline what does that mean really really fast okay no rain forecasted it's gonna be like 90 degrees so they're just gonna they're already super fast kind of get faster i love it and, you're getting the videos of people throwing the ball in the green, and it just rolls up.
Oh, I love it. I love it.
Dropping balls in the rough. I saw that one guy.
He was standing next to a giant bush, and he's like, watch this. This is how tough this course is.
And he just threw the golf ball into the bush and disappeared. He's like, look at that.
He's like, yeah, dude, you just threw a fucking golf ball into a bush. I love it.
Yeah it yeah yeah he's like the course has its teeth out this week you'll you'll never be able to survive this just throwing a ball into the woods yeah he's like don't hit it there he's next to a lake and he throws in look at that the ball just disappeared this course isn't playing around i'm excited hank you like you you actually rooting for the course i feel like you're not you're a fake course guy you you want to see the guys go low guys like us we want to see them we want to see them struggle yeah I want I want on pain not just plus territory I want the winner to shoot a plus 10 no I would like minus five to minus one minus five to minus one okay I I think Willie Z might be. That's my pick.
Is he live? Yeah, I think he's live. So, Hank, when you said borderline, that sounded like a golf term to me.
Yeah. No, Wyndham Clark said borderline.
I don't know what that means. Borderline what? I don't know.
Borderline between what are the borders? Like borderline even playable. Oh, okay.
They're already borderline. Oh, and it hasn't baked out yet.
Baked out, and it's 87, 90, 93, 92, 90. Sheesh.
Going to love it. And we played there.
We were there last summer around this time, so it's like being able to kind of experience the same conditions. Same exact holes, right? It makes it really cool.
I played Pinehurst number two. put we ate pizza on the third fairway of pinehurst number two yeah holy shit yeah i did chip onto riggs's practice screen that was pretty much on pinehurst number two wow walked on the fairway what you trespassed did you hit a shot i didn't oh damn but like if i did where it would have it would have been borderline it would have been borderline.
It would have been borderline. Yeah.
Okay. My cool throne, I deleted my note.
I can't find it, so it's Max. So you never had one.
I did. No, I did.
I did. There's no chance you had one.
I did. I did.
I did. I'll remember it later.
Your spider ate your note? Max looks like the guy from Counting Crows, who apparently dated Jennifer Aniston. Oh, Adam D Duritz.
Did you guys see this picture? No, but I know what he looks like. That dude has dated so many people.
Yeah, so cool throw on Max. That dude is an all-time boyfriend.
I mean, look at him. Who? I just sent the picture.
Okay. This is a podcast.
This is a podcast. We can put it on the YouTube show.
We can put it on the YouTube. Okay.
And rumble. Yeah.
And rumble. Yeah, I know what Adam Duritz looks like.
You think he looks like Max? That picture you don't think looks like Max? Not at all. Not even close.
I think it's just the beard. Not even close.
No. If you go through.
I'm sorry. What? He doesn't.
If you go through his list of former girlfriends, it's incredible. Yeah.
This guy. If you.
He dated Jennifer Aniston. I think he dated Courtney Cox.
I mean, dude. He dated Christina Applegate.
Long December. You put that on.
Chicks are going to want to hang out. What? It was.
Oh, you have the real one. So we don't have to do the one that doesn't look like Max.
He does look like Max. Max, that does not look like you.

I like to sing Counting Crow songs.

Okay, fine.

Then it looks like you.

Okay.

Counting Cronuts?

Some people are saying.

Yeah.

The Roaring Kitty stuff.

Yeah.

Explain it to Hank.

All right, so Roaring Kitty, he's a guy from the internet.

I know that part. Okay.
Well, that's all I got. He's a guy from the internet who the meme stocks, the GameStop, he basically, so he manipulated the stock market, which is a joke because that's what everyone does.
So essentially the corporate uh stock market guys who've been making money all these years were like this is illegal what he's doing

he's artificially pumping up game stop he shouldn't be allowed to do this everyone was basically like

you're telling on yourself because that is that is what you guys do constantly and you make money

hand over fist for this uh and then he came back so he was gone for what three or four years

Thank you. yourself because that is that is what you guys do constantly and you make money hand over fist for this uh and then he came back so he was gone for what three or four years um and then he came back and all he did was tweet one picture and GameStop went skyrocketed again I think he's made if he sold any of his positions he would have made like 700 million dollars apparently what happened was of how much...
off like nothing he recently just put like hundreds of millions of dollars into gamestop yeah himself so he is like a big big investor in gamestop at the moment and then he did a live stream last week yep and the stock popped at first and then it went back down so he he might have briefly a billionaire. And then I think he lost a lot of that money.
Yeah, but but but the the normies of the world are saying that it's illegal what he's doing and unfair what he's doing, but he's doing nothing different than what everyone does, including our politicians and anyone who who's essentially has insider information rigs the stock market. Yeah, he didn't have insider information.
He had, I guess the insider information that he had was understanding the internet. Yeah.
And understanding that if he put his case out there repeatedly, people would sympathize with GameStop, go against the people that were shorting the stock. Right.
And then everybody could make money until it reached an unsustainable peak. And then it takes a nosedive.
And then if you don't get out get out then you lose your money so it is risky what people are doing but yeah no i made a lot of money all the way back down and hank when they do the other part that was bullshit whenever he would do the picture or it would start popping they would pause trading and essentially say it's irregularities like we can pause trading uh so it's all rigged this was remember this was um what was the what was the app that people were using to trade on robin hood robin hood this is the robin hood controversy because robin hood stopped people from being able to trade game stop so robin hood was part of the institutions essentially saying you can't rig it like they're rigging it,

even though it's always been rigged.

I just had a really dumb thought.

I almost said a second ago, you know what would rock?

If they made a stock market, but for sports teams.

And whether or not you thought a sports team would win a game or win a championship,

that would be cool.

That would be cool.

It would be very cool.

Think about it. Put a future on it.

Think about it, yeah. What's the future? What do you mean like a long option? Yeah, a long option.
Yeah, you put a long option on it. I think we did a, I'm going to say 6.2 out of 10 explanation of Roaring Kitty.
Yeah, pretty much hit it. I mean, there's going to be a lot of people who say, you missed this or you're wrong about this.
But I think we did a pretty good job of surface level. We kind of nailed it also likes beer he likes drinking beers he kind of looks like pft too yeah i got tagged i got tagged a lot in that i was thinking about maybe getting into some stock market shit some stocks getting heavy into doing some let's get back in a top shot no are those horses nba top shot no i'm still in i'm still highly leveraged I have an NFT I think

I bought a Marcus Smart Top Shot

that's probably worth $2

that I paid like $200 for

I was given a

yeah I was given an NFT

that I don't even know how to get

yeah we thought about getting into racehorses

the NFT racehorses

did he make NFTs for us?

oh yeah

not for us

yeah he made some money

he just like drew elephants

Thank you. how to get yeah we thought about getting into racehorses the nft racehorses did he make nfts for us oh yeah he made some money not for us yeah he made some money he just like drew elephants and said this is an nft it was it was a mammoth but yeah sorry yeah i'm also looking at more of adam durd's greatest hits here dated lara flynn boyle as well winona rider this dude i know this This dude's awesome.
How did you say that? Isn't it Wynonna? Yeah It's Wynonna No it's not It's Wynonna Ryder I've never heard that I've never heard that It's definitely Wynonna Ryder It's Wynonna? Wynonna Ryder yeah Nah it's Wynonna Ryder No it's not It's gotta be Wynonna It's Wynonnader. She's the mom and stranger thing.
I've never heard Winona Ryder.

You've never heard somebody say Winona Ryder?

I don't think so.

That's the first time for me.

Winona Ryder.

She'll always be Winona to me.

Who told you Winona Ryder?

I've always called her Winona.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

That stopped Hank in his tracks.

It's... Who told you Wynonna Ryder? I've always called her Wynonna.
That's crazy.

Yeah.

That stopped Hank in his tracks.

Anyways, Adam Duritz.

Great work.

Yeah.

We have it.

I'm sending it to Max.

What?

The official pronunciation from herself.

Yeah, it's Wynonna Ryder.

From herself?

Yeah, there's a video of her.

Okay, let's hear her.

Oh, we have breaking moves.

McCaffrey is the Madden cover athlete.

Oh, nice.

Yeah, sure.

That makes sense.

Max, you want me to clean the deli slicer?

Look at Jacob, always on top of it. All right, moment of truth.
This is taking forever. Winona Ryder.
How to pronounce Winona Ryder. I mean, Winona Ryder.
Wait, so that didn't... Yeah, that was it.
That wasn't her. That wasn't her.
She was laughing at how he pronounced her name. She probably thought that was funny.
But that was no different than what we've been saying, yeah. Yeah, but she was laughing at him like, that's not it at all.
No. It's Winona.
You guys are kind of simps for calling her by her preferred pronunciation. You told us that she said how to pronounce it.
I hadn't watched the video yet, and she was standing there. A real man pronounces a woman's name however he sees fit.
Wynonna.

Yeah, I've never heard that.

All right, what was your cool throne?

Or was that your cool throne?

Wait, who's cool throne?

That was Hank.

Hank.

All right, good job, Hank.

Good job, Hank.

My hot seat is Buster Olney.

Yes, mine too.

He got his account hacked yesterday.

Well, we don't know if it was hacked.

Some people are saying it was hacked. I choose to believe that these were all actually Buster-only tweets.
He tweeted, the season is canceled due to COVID. He tweeted out, Shohei Otani has been banned for life from the MLB in connection to charges with gambling.
His trial is on August 28th. It is speculated he could get life in prison.
Yep. He tweeted a couple fake trades.
The New York Mets are finalizing a deal that will send Francisco Lindor to the Oakland Athletics. Sources tell ESPN.
That one was funny because I was at my son's t-ball and the dad sitting next to me literally said Lindor to the A's. Crazy.
It would be wild. I was like, really? And then I looked and saw that it was Buster Olney just tweeting all over the place.
He also said, I hate Mets. Yeah.
This is a good good use of a hacker's time if you're going to hack a prominent account like that at least fuck with people yeah don't just do out like the playstation 5 tweet or any any obvious scam yeah like giving away autographed ipads yeah i wish that i wish the hacker hadn't done any of the hack tweets first just started going ripping off news yeah fake news yeah but this is good i i like this hacker i don't know who he is or she definitely he yeah uh but good job for this guy yeah definitely he because he said okay if i get an unlimited prison sentence who will come and bring panties yeah well could be she could be she yeah this is i swear to you i don't even know who i hacked who is this buster yeah it's good stuff i thought for a second when he started doing the fake trades i thought he might be specifically fucking with his own fantasy league yeah like knowing that some of the guys on his team might trade him francisco lindor yeah how mad do you think i i mean just imagining buster only sitting in his house having this happen and just feeling as helpless as possible yeah it's a very funny visual it's very funny and I I know he doesn't have his account back yet but he has been able to delete some of the tweets or they've been deleted by somebody okay but I hope I hope this keeps happening to reporters oh Peter King got hacked last yeah he did Peter King got hacked big time they put out a crypto King yeah yeah it was everyone's getting hacked dollar sign King yeah uh okay you're a cool throne uh then my cool throne I've got two one is Zach Wilson yeah Zach Wilson is currently in the mix for the starting job what in Denver which is crazy because Sean Payton he compared compared Bo Nix to Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.

So imagine how good Zach Wilson has to be to be competing to start over a combination of Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. Yeah.
So think about it. Yeah, I don't know how much we can trust reports coming out right now, but I guess it's the saddest open competition of all time.
I feel like Zach Wilson, when he got traded, basically every year every coach says, hey, you know what I'm going to do for you? I'm going to put out that there's an open competition. That's the nicest thing I can do for you.
And then he won't get it. But there was a competition.
There has been competing going on. Yeah.
Would it be funny? I think it would be very funny if Zach Wilson was very very good for the broncos like what if he just went out there and lit shit up what if he was better than patrick mahomes and patrick mahomes own division yeah that would be very funny very funny that would be a very funny wrinkle uh memes don't say anything at all if you think that also be funny okay okay confirm from memes perfect perfect uh my other cool throne is big dom. Big Dom got a promotion.
Yes. His old title, Senior Advisor to the General Manager, Chief Security Officer.
New title, Senior Advisor to the General Manager slash Chief Security Officer slash Game Day Coaching Operations. So I hope he got a pay raise.
He's basically a coach now. It sounds like he just does everything for the Eagles.
Yeah. Build the entire team team at a big dom i think this was something so that he could be on the sidelines during games oh loophole yes so he was not allowed to be there yeah and also why not just make him a nose tackle true i would love that could have been on the sidelines a long time ago i also saw one tweet that said that so i have no idea if that's actually true oh okay that i know one one tweet is enough sourcing.
I'm going to back you up. Absolutely.
I'll read one tweet and be like, yep, that's the story, and I'm sticking to it. Because he's been on the sidelines for years, right? Yeah.
Yeah, correct. But I think that there may have been something about last year that he wasn't, I'm making this up.
I'm making this up. I don't know.
I need to stop. So if you give him somewhat of a coaching title, then he's allowed to shove opposing players.
Right. No, he's just allowed to be on the sideline.
Again, I have no idea what I'm talking about. This is all off one tweet.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, shout out Big Dom. Yeah.
Shout out Big Dom. Huge promotion.
Okay. My hot seat was also buster only.
I'll say hot seat wearing red to rodeos. I don't know if you guys saw the party bus.
That bull rocks. Very funny that he jumped over and found the one woman wearing red and then just ragdolled her.
She's okay, though. She's alive.
Yeah, I think both the people that got sent to the hospital are okay. Yeah, so we can laugh about it.
But you got to root for the bull. Oh, always.
Right? Always. You have to root for the bull.
I don't root for the bull as much in a rodeo because i don't think they actually they don't hurt the bulls in a rodeo whereas in the bull fighting i'm rooting for the bull every time yeah when that's a little different when the matadors are trying to kill it i think in a rodeo don't they like tie a string around the the bull's nuts to piss it off uh maybe sure they do something to read about it yeah i did okay then yeah they do something to piss the bull off before it goes out and starts bucking around yeah and this bull was just everyone was like clapping for the bull as it's running around the ring like oh this is awesome what a funny moment ha ha ha ha and then the bull just goes full bull and just jumps right over that fence yeah party bus is he's a legend he he when he gets back to his his boys he's like you'll have you'll never guess what I did. I just fucked everyone up.
Is that running of the bulls? Is that still a thing? Yeah. Pamplona, yeah.
Yeah, I root for the bulls there, too. People just voluntarily run in the wild with them? Yeah.
Yeah. The Ryan brothers did it one time.
Couldn't be me. Yeah.
What? You want to do it? My Rushmore punishment? Oh.

Grit week?

Grit week Pamplona?

My Rushmore punishment.

When is it?

When is Pamplona?

It's mid-July.

No, no, we can't do that.

Shit.

Damn it.

I was going to say yes, but timing doesn't work out.

It's right in the middle of the Rushmore season. We get our own Bulls.

Just have Alex Caruso come in. Yeah, chase us around and then kill them afterwards yeah uh is that what they do yeah what jake what that's crazy that's what bull fights are yeah bull fights i kill the bulls i didn't know that yeah oh yeah thought they just had a little run, if they go for a run, then they lasso them and bring them back.
No, I'm pretty sure those guys get killed. They kill all the bulls in the running of the bulls? I know in bullfights, the goal is to kill the bull.
Like, the matador steps to the side and starts stabbing it with shit, and then the bull dies. But I don't know what happens at the actual running of the bulls.
They might take those bulls and then send them to bullfights. All right.
What happens during the running of the bulls in Pamplona? This is from PETA, so I'm assuming it's not great. After provoking a few charges from the exhausted bull, he aims to kill him by stabbing him between the shoulder blades and through the heart with a sword.
So I think they kill them. Yeah.
I think they run him into the... I think they run him into the Colosseum, whatever, and then they kill him.
Mm- the aim of the Matador is to always kill the bull, and his fight is only considered successful if it ends in the bull's death. Wow, learn something new every day.
Yeah. My cool throne is Kevin Durant.
He's back on Twitter. I just got a chuckle out of this.
Some guy said, actually what we were talking about a couple couple weeks ago the only way kd can redeem his legacy is if he returns to the thunder and wins them their first ever championship lebron style then all his sins will be forgiven we good kevin durant and kevin durant replied you ain't god go get ready for work it's good go get ready for work is a. Yeah.
Because you know that guy is getting ready for work when he tweeted it.

And he's just like, yeah, go take a shower. Or if he doesn't have a job, he's even down worse.

Yeah.

Just a great, great burn.

So Kevin Durant's back.

And then the guy, yeah, the guy replied, Kawhi is better than you.

You know you have him.

That's a lame-ass reply.

So good job for Kevin Durant.

He's back. Or he's cool-thrown.
Jake. a lame-ass reply.
So good job for Kevin Durant. He's back.

Or he's cool-thrown.

Jake.

My hot seat's the Olympics.

Apparently, Paris is pulling the plug on air conditioning in the Olympic village for the athletes.

What?

In an effort to go green.

But now some countries are bringing their own portable AC units.

Yeah, you don't fuck with a man's air conditioning.

Apparently, this is a thing. Like in Paris, they just don't rely on ac as much as us what if they reinstall the ac if caitlin clark attends that could work and then every athlete has to talk about how grateful they are for caitlin clark attending that would be good yeah yeah uh and my cool throne is mercedes lewis this guy's still hanging around he re-signed with the bears yeah and the fact he's been in the league since I was in middle school.
Yeah. Yeah.
And my cool throne is Mercedes Lewis. This guy's still hanging around.
He re-signed with the Bears. Yeah.
And the fact – he's been in the league since I was in middle school. Yeah.
That's insane. He's still doing it.
As a tight end, like a physical position. It is crazy that a guy like him – because it feels like he has a 12th man on the bench in NBA career going right now where it's like, yeah, he's just going to keep showing up.
around the boys yeah you bring him in have a mentor just hang out good locker room guy he needs four more games to play the most as a tight in NFL history so that's probably why he's playing retire after week four yeah Mercedes Lewis played uh in college in for UCLA in 2005. Colorado was definitely not in the Pac-12.

Utah wasn't in the Pac-12. Utah wasn't in the Pac-12.
So when was his first year? And now the Pac-12 is gone. In the NFL? 2000.
Holy shit. 2006.
This is insane. Yeah.
It's insane. Congrats to him.
Okay. Let's get to our interviews.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. You can find him on ESPN.
He is America's caddy. That is what he's, he's joined the zoom with.
It is Michael Collins, golf expert, America's caddy comedian. Michael, thank you for joining us.
We appreciate it. We want to do a little U S open talk with you, but before we do that,'s just you you just said you golfed yesterday on a former u.s open course how how did you golf and how is the game right now uh the game was fantastic i played the bmw charity pro-am for the corn fairy tour last week and then went up and played in the eagles Autism event that was at Marion.
And the game was great at the BMW, and the game was not quite as great at Marion because they could hold a U.S. Open on that course this weekend as well, as good as that golf course condition-wise is in.
Those greens were running like a 13 to a 14 on the stint meter right now so it was like it was like imagine trying to hit a putt in your bathtub and make it stop before it gets to the drain that's how the greens were running jesus wow yeah that sounds pretty intense are you still a caddy are you america's golfer now because it seems seems like you're playing a lot, but I don't see on many bags. Yeah, it's kind of funny how that worked out.
Like I put the jumpsuit on and don't really get to carry bags as much as I as I used to before. I'll do a fill in if need be.
I don't know that I'll go back to caddy in full time again on tour as I did for a long time. But I kind of I kind of like the gigs that I got right now.
Yes. Which is good and fun.
It's not quite as volatile as being a caddy. People thought like, oh, cool, man, you're a caddy.
So you got guaranteed this and guaranteed. Nah, man, it don't work like that.
Like I got fired on a Thursday after the first round there's no contracts there's no guarantees for caddies out there and you got to pay all your own expenses airfare hotel rental car food all of that stuff so you know if you got a guy who's missing four or five cuts in a row and you got a family at home and bills to pay it can get a little little scary. Wait, why'd you get fired on a Thursday afternoon after a first round?

What happened?

I was working for a dude.

Me and him almost got in a fight on a golf course.

I literally put the bag down and was like, you want to go?

Well, I was caddied.

So let's just say, you know, of all the people that I caddied for,

we're friends now.

But at the time, what seemed like a good connection ended horrifically. So I caddied for Daniel Chopra for like three months maybe.
And at one point, we were just not getting along so bad. I put the bag down in the middle of the tournament.
I was like, do you want to go right here in front of everybody? Like, I got to embarrass you in front of all these people. That's crazy.
Yeah. And so then when it got to its worst point ever, we were in Chicago, and he shot six over and then was in the locker room and sent his wife, Samantha, out because he didn't want to do it face to face oh no oh no maybe he was scared and she was like uh we're gonna make a change and i was like yeah that's probably a good idea yeah yeah it's probably not working out yeah you do it a good idea you've got a very interesting career path too i was reading up about you and how you got into golf in the first place and how you kind of just networked your way and ended up finding a career in media that you didn't really plan out for at all.
But one of the craziest parts that I read about was when you started caddying, you didn't really know what you were doing. You were just kind of like, you were a good hang for people, right? Which I feel like that's not a bad place to be for a caddy.
If you're looking to like switch up the vibes a little bit, get somebody who's funny that you like out there that can bust your balls a little but when you first stepped onto the golf course as a caddy you did not know how to rake a bunker properly nothing and that made me realize i i don't know how to rake a bunker properly no idea so you know how many people feel that way it was robert gomez i was still doing stand-up comedy full-time and robert gomez me up, and was like, what are you doing next week? What are you talking about? He goes, man, I'm playing like shit. I'm not having fun on the golf course.
I need you to come caddy for me just so I can remember to have fun again on the golf course. And I was like, all right, cool.
And we get to play. It was in Louisiana on, it was like Nike tour back in the day.
It's corn fairy tour now. But we get there and the course was underwater.
No practice rounds, no pro am. They let us drive a cart around the course on Wednesday and said, you're not allowed to hit a shot.
So I literally got the bib on Thursday and it's for real. And he comes over and takes the head cover off the driver on this par five.
And he goes, he looks at me and I go i go hey don't hit it in the bunker because i don't know how to rake like these pros okay and he gives me this weird look i'm like i don't make no sense and hit you dead in the bunker and i was like he comes over slams the club and i just told you not to hit it in there dude and he goes you can't say that man that's all i'm gonna focus now you tell me what to say and get down there, I was like, what are you going to do? And he goes, I'm going to hit a three wood in the front green side bunker because it's a par five. I'm going to get up and down for par.
And I was like, bitch, I just told you I can't rake. You're hitting it in two bunkers on the first hole? And I was like, if you hit it in that front bunker, I'm going to call immigration and tell him you're illegal.
I'm going to get you kicked out. And so he laughs and jumps down, and he's posing.
Called his shot right in the front bunker. And he looks at me.
I put the bed. Yo, this dude is not even supposed to be in this country.
And he starts laughing. He's like, get your ass down in that bunker and start raking, boy.
And then the other, and we realize, yo, there's two other dudes playing with us. And both them and their caddies are like, what the hell's going on?

It's the first hole.

And we're laughing and stuff like that. And after that, other guys were like, hey, man, give me your phone number when you got a week off from comedy.
Call me. But I have to admit, even when I started playing golf, I've always been good at reading greens.
And I think that was that was like one of those secret things that also helped me stay being a caddy and employed for so long. Because I, for some reason, have always been good at reading greens.
So wait, how do you rake a bunker, though? Because I don't know. So at a greenside bunker, what you want to try to do is make the rake marks go towards where the green is so you don't want to rake parallel

to the green so let's say the green is my head you don't want the rake lines like this you want

them like this okay and the reason why is when you do that when you rake this way and the ball

lands here so now there isn't sand in between the ball and your club so it gives it a cleaner lie but but wait that's just you're just helping the people that play behind you yes you're paying it forward what if there was just a real asshole in the caddy well then the pga tour finds out who it was and that dude gets a pink slit with a little fine in his locker because the player's responsible for that. Wow.
And we take pride as caddies, too. Like, there's nothing cooler if it's a big crowd and your boy hits it in a bunker and hits it out there to tap in for the par.
And you break the hell out that bunker, then you're getting out the bunker. Somebody's always like, hey, man, will you vacuum my house and make the lines look that good? Comeow my grass yeah okay yeah so so what's the you mentioned the greens uh or you know being able to read a putt what this u.s open we've seen we've seen what it looks like it's the turtle shell it looks like it's impossible it's baked out what are these guys going to have to deal with this week at Pinehurst? So it's two things.
And I caddied this event before they made the changes. And then I covered the event when, if you remember, the last time we were here, they played both the men's and women's in back-to-back weeks.
And I played Monday after Michelle Wee won. So that was Martin Keimer won the men's.
Michelle Wee won her only major the next week. And so two things they're really going to have to deal with here.
One is off the tee. This is because they let it go back to all natural.
morale it's not a lot of big rough off of the t but what it is is native areas and what that

means is like sometimes you got a perfect lie like it rolls through all this crap and then

just sits there and sits up and other times like there's like this gorse grass stuff that it'll sit behind and and you're screwed absolutely screwed and so that's going to be one of the things you got to deal with off the tee if you're not in the, then as you said, those turtle shaped greens, almost every green has a little fall off. So similar to an open championship, you kind of want to play to the front number, especially if the weather like what they're looking at right now, perfect, perfect weather and a firm golf course.
You can't fly the ball to the flag. You have to land it short and then let it hop up and when the greens are real firm like what you don't see is one of the things we love as amateurs because we can't do it is when you see those dudes hit those wedges and nine irons and they hit and see spin back boy i love seeing that you're not going to be able to do that on these.
They're going to take two hops and just stop

or even roll out just a little bit.

They'll trickle forward like they do

at a lot of the Open Championship.

Whose game does this favor in these conditions?

There's no course

that doesn't favor Scotty Scheffler.

That dude,

I mean,

you name the type of golf course,

as the ball striker that he is,

he has the ability

to just, he figures it out

Thank you. I mean, you name the type of golf course as the ball striker that he is, he has the ability to just he figures it out and then kind of bores the hell out of everyone to death.
Right. So this is also a golf course that, you know, big hitters can do well here because the shorter the club that you have in your hand, especially if you're in the fairway, the more that you can control that spin and the better off that you're going to be able to attack.
What the USGA is famous for is putting hole locations on these greens that dare you to hit at them. Yeah.
The one thing about what the USGA and what the US Open is, sometimes a 15-footer is a great shot.

But what the USGA gives you those pins where you're just like, I think I can get to this.

This is where caddies earn their money.

When a guy like this fits my shot shape, I'll be able to work this right to that hole.

And the caddy got to be like, nah, let's work it kind of to the middle of this green and if it accidentally feeds there cool yeah because you can hit a good shot and get penalized and you can hit a crappy shot and just barely be okay so so what as a caddy what's the one thing that people don't understand about uh the job of ady? Because as far as I understand, it's always I'm watching.

The caddy's there to help.

But eventually it's up to the player to make the shot and decide what they want to do.

But what's the hard part of being a caddy that people kind of don't really see day to day?

It's that psychologist that you are on the golf course.

And it's the stuff that they don't show on TV. You know, the old saying back in the day was just the three ups.
Show up, stand up, shut up. That was it.
You know what I mean? Caddies were a bunch of vagabonds and stuff. There were dudes who'd be passed out in bushes and just stumble up there, and that was it.
But it's the money that's out on the PGA Tour right now. There's no such as that anymore right so it's the relationship between the player and the caddy the player and the caddy because you're with a guy for seven hours eight hours for the day not just on the golf course and so what are you talking about in between shots and as a caddy you got to know like does my guy have his a game today and if he has his b game he knows he has his b game i know he has his b game but we got to like figure out a way to get the best out of that b game so some cases he'll want to hit one club and can i talk him in to a different club at the right moment i mean i, I would wake up four hours before our tee time just for wind forecasts.
If we had an afternoon tee time, I was on the course early watching other guys hit shots on holes that I know were going to be pivotal for my guy. And so that part of the game, people don't understand.
They think it's just you just walk, carry the bag, and keep the clubs clean. And it's not like that at all.
And sometimes the hardest part of caddying is wanting to say something to a dude and knowing when not to say something. Where other caddies or people would jump in there and be like, hey, man, it's going to be okay.
Don't worry. We're going to get through this.
And then the dude looks at you like, I'll freaking kill you, man kill you man right you're like shut up and and sometimes it's like just looking at a dude and not saying nothing like you know what you're pissed off good sitting that pissed off whatever yeah you need a kick in the ass i'm not saying nothing you're you're constantly tasked with reading the room and just trying to figure out what what his vibes are and matching it whether good or bad. That is very difficult.
Yes. And you're the only – it's you and the player.
That's it. That's the only one that's in there that really can give – that legally can give advice to a player in there.
And it's the only sport like that. But for me, it was like – it was so much the opposite of doing stand-up comedy comedy so it was like i get to be the vice president behind the curtain the only one that got this dude's ear you know and then they do the interview and you hear and be like oh that was a great shot you hit on the par three yeah seven iron was the right club there and i get to stand over the side was like yeah you wanted to hit eight iron get the credit in the water yeah are you real nowadays players nowadays are like players are so much different now than when i when i first started caddying like you hear so much more we and team and stuff the you hear the best players in the world that's what it's all about look what happened to scotty scheffler after he brought ted scott on the bag it changed everything and people are like really did it make that much a difference what did he shoot the day after he was in jail when ted scott wasn't on the bag there you go right yeah makes a difference are you a sicko like us and you like uh when the usga puts out the hole locations and you just stare at the the map of the holes that morning and you're like yeah i can't wait 13's got a great hole on it let me put it this way i might put the pin sheets out on social media when they let them out early yeah and when i don't do it during majors i hear from it oh yeah like people hit me up and like yo how come you're not putting them pin sheets out man yeah so yeah yeah i.
Yeah, I'm not going to lie. I'm a sicko, too.
I got problems. Yeah, I like that.
What's the best piece of advice and then maybe the worst advice that you've given as a caddy? Ooh. Best piece of advice.
I think the best piece of advice one time I gave was I was caddying for Omar Uresti. And he had been a little uptight, like going into a tournament in Vegas.
And the first round, I could tell he was uptight. And it was kind of a it was a pro-am back in the day.
And I said, give me the scorecard. He goes, why? And I go, I'm going to keep score today.
Don't worry about it. You don't worry about keeping score.
Just entertain this dude, whoever's with us, and play. And then at the end of the round, he was like, what did we shoot? And I was like, that's right.
That's right. And we ended up shooting seven under that day.
And when I told him, he was like, what? He didn't even realize that we shot seven under. Wow.
And the worst advice I ever gave was cad caddying for john e morgan it still bothers me to this day we were in a monday qualifier to get into miami and play doral and i i had a bad read on on our second to last hole and he didn't necessarily see the same thing that i saw and so but he went with my read and it was wrong and it to this day bothers me because i feel like it cost us a chance to get into that tournament and if we would have got in we would have we would have done some damage together on the pga tour yeah damn or we would have both got arrested and ended up like in jail and it would have ended horribly but who knows that's still fun still fun, though. Yeah.
Would you think it'd be hard to be John Daly's caddy? Because he's driving around in the car. He gets the use of the cart.
You have to carry the bag and walk. No, you ain't got to carry the bag, though.
When you're on the PGA Tour Champions, here's the cool thing about being on PGA Tour Champions. You can put the bag on the back of the cart.
Oh, that's nice. I'll walk.
That is nice. I ain't got to carry the bag? Yeah, you ride with the bag all day i don't care i'll go i'll get the yardage for you all day tell you what club to pull off the back yeah but basically if you're catting for john daly you're just like giving him instead of shot selection club selection like cigarette selection like let's go with the this feels like a marble red yeah right here that and be like hey man finish this diet coke because i'm not putting it back in the bag bro yeah for you the diet cokes get heavy yeah yeah yeah i've known john forever he is a really good friend of mine i love that dude to death and i i can happily say that i've driven him back to his bus on a few late afternoons and late evenings because i didn't want him to have to drive yeah Yeah, we've had some good times together, man.
He's good people.

But that's the one thing I always love to tell people about John Daly, too, that, like, not only is he a great dude to be around, like, when he's a good friend of yours, like, if this shit hits the fan, he coming. And if you want to know who your real friends are, it ain't about when it's perfect, right? It ain't about the sunny days and hanging out and having good times.
But it's like, if it hits the fan, you want to find out who your friends are, who coming when it hits the fan. Yeah, yeah.
He's one of those dudes. He's coming.
Yeah. All right, so in terms of this U.S.
Open, is there anyone besides Scotty Scheffler that you've looked at and you're like, hey, this guy is playing really well or this matches up well with Pinehurst? Just because I agree with you, no one can really touch Scotty right now. But if you're trying to find other options, there's got to be a couple of guys out there because it does.
it feels like, you know, peak Tiger Woods, where when Tiger was, you know, even money

against the field or minus one gambling for everybody yeah like now it's all prop vets right that's it right all you got is prop vets now because scotty scheffler messes it up for everybody yeah um it's tough too especially with the guys coming from live that we haven't seen a whole lot. You wonder, like, how much a guy like Jon Rahm.
Like, this is one of those show me opportunities for Jon Rahm, I think. I mean, this is one of those golf course that there's never a wrong time to hit it long and straight.

Right. And so.

Colin Morikawa is someone whose game is trending in a really good direction I thought he might have a little drop off him and Xander after especially after the PGA championship yeah but it doesn't it doesn't seem like he's dropped off a lot and look we you guys know like golf is cyclical everything is waves except for scotty sheffler it seems like right now right but it seems like when dudes when really top golfers start playing well they play well for a while three to six months it's like oh it's all like donkey kong this dude's never gonna miss and then after like three or six months they start missing all the time and you're like damn that dude just fell off and then it's the next guy and i feel like kind of colin morikawa's riding a wave right now where this is a spot that might set up pretty good for him his putter scares me a little bit you know and that's where Scotty just, because his ball striking is so good,

he doesn't have to be a great putter.

Yeah.

But it's funny with Scotty, like, when it's really on the line

and he has that 12-footer to save par, must make,

to keep that two-shot bang, dead center, perfect speed,

and he's got that little Scotty fist pump.

We call it vanilla bitch this

pump like i don't want to be showing too hard i want to show up my competition here you know i'll just beat them every week yeah i don't want to be you know i mean i don't you know as a christian pride is one of the seven so i don't want to be showing off too hard yeah yeah But that's his game, like, is hardcore like that.

So I don't want to be showing off too hard. Yeah.
Yeah. But that's his game.
Like his hardcore like that. So I don't know, man.
What, what about the mentality of going into an event like the U S open where you know that they are specifically making the course difficult to the point where it could be a guy's minus one to win it or plus one to win it. Is that like the psychology of going into a tournament like that where you know the course is going to be so much harder than everything else? How does that work for the player? That's where the caddies earn their money then too.
Yeah. Because as many times, listen, and you guys have been around enough athletes to understand this too.
They're going to tell you in the beginning, no, man, it's cool.

It's laid back.

I'm going to be chill.

Like, we're just playing ping pong.

I don't even care if I win.

And as soon as the game starts, that's out the window.

You can kiss my ass.

It's on now.

I thought we was going to be chill.

And that's as a great – if you're a really good caddy,

you're reminding your guy that all the time.

At the U.S. Open, bogeys won't kill us.

Thank you. If you're a really good caddy, you're reminding your guy that all the time.

At the U.S. Open, bogeys won't kill us.
And the other thing you're telling your dude is, hey, everybody else is effing up too, bruh. Relax.
Take it easy. We ain't the only ones.
Because that's what happens. Golfers, they get in their own bubble so hard sometimes and so deep that they're like,

I'm the only guy out here screwing this up.

This is bullcrap.

And then as a caddy, you got to be like, come here.

Come here.

Look at the scoreboard.

You see our name is still up there?

You know why our name is still up there?

Because we ain't the only one.

F it up.

Relax.

We got this.

Let's play the next hole.

So who do you think?

Who are the best caddies in the game right now do you have like a top five no because here but here's the thing here's why it's hard to do that we jokingly made a like i had a joke with one of the caddies because every time i'd see him i was like hey man you still in the top 50 of caddies he was like nah this week i fell out right when you're a caddy on the pga tour what makes you a great caddy is being able to give the player you're caddying for what that player needs now if let's say xander chaffelet's caddy went to caddy for someone else which he's i mean he's not going to do that right because they're they're good friends too but he can't caddy the same for xander that he's caddying for somebody else like ted scott is not doing the same stuff for scotty that he did for bubba watson because they don't need the same things so like what who are some of the best caddies out there so but i mean you look at like bones right when he was caddying for justin thomas he wasn't doing the same stuff for justin thomas

that he did for phil mickelson would phil mickelson have been the golfer that he was without

bone without bones i'm gonna say hell no no there's no way but does that make bones like one of the

best caddies out on tour you know even though he's not working right now i i don't know because

Thank you. make bones like one of the best caddies out on tour you know even though he's not working right now i i don't know because every caddy has to give something different depending on what that player needs so i think that's if you want to see what great caddies are it's like in the moment in the moment did this guy say exactly what his player needed him to say like you look at a guy like michael greller and jordan spieth would jordan be the player that he is without michael greller being the caddy that he was for jordan i would venture to say absolutely not it's why they have stayed together for so long so it's like um there are all the caddies on the pga tour the reason that they're out there is because of how good they are in the moments that they're needed most yeah and they mess up just like players do one of the greatest lines um mark wilson won the honda one year after his caddy accidentally got him a two-stroke penalty and his caddy was so shook up I mean Chris Jones his name is his caddy nickname is Crispy and Crispy were like after the round was just inconsolable and Mark then during the round looked at him and said hey man I'm gonna mess up a lot more than you.
It's okay. We're going to get through this.
And that was on a Thursday, and they won that tournament that week. And it was one of the coolest things ever.
Yeah, that is very cool. It has been awesome, Michael.
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Open course that he does. Are you saying that to me like, are you saying there's a chance?

Yeah.

Then if –

Yeah.

Okay.

We want him to be in the mix.

Exactly.

Yeah.

If you're saying it in that sense, is there a chance?

Yes.

Because this is probably, of all the U.S. Open venues,

this might be the easiest of the walks.

Okay.

And that's what it takes for Tiger now. That's part of the issue.
It ain't the course, it's the walks. Yeah.
And the stances. So when he misses a fairway at Pinehurst, like he's going to be a native area, but he's not going to have some jacked up stance like he would have at the PGA Championship, like he did at the Masters.
Like that's the problem. Now, it's's also a sand-based course so if they get really bad weather and the course gets soft then of course it's going to be an issue but this week too the temperature looks like it's going to be hot great for tiger woods in his back yeah all right so if he keeps it in play like fairways and greens Yeah, he can hit the shots.
So Tiger Woods could win the U.S. Open.

No, take it easy, bro. Relax.
I didn't say that. Now there you go.
But maybe. Now you're being media.
Now you're like, see? Wow. Don't do that.
That's shocking to come on and say that. That's a bold claim.
This is good for the headline. Yeah.
Damn. Michael Collins says Tiger Woods can win the U.S.
Open this year. No.
No, I didn't. That ain't what I said, man.
Damn. What about Max Homa? Can Max Homa win the U.S.
Open? This year. Great caddy.
Joe's a great caddy. Joe's a great caddy.
Oh, man. Griner, man.
Joe Griner. Another one.
That's the thing. So him and Max are such an amazing team together.
You know what? Yeah. Yeah.
I know a lot of people thought LA was the spot for him and stuff, but winning a home game in golf is impossible. Yeah.
It's just too much. That kind of internal pressure that you put on yourself with all the people that you know are there for you but some are like pinehurst and they ain't that many cousins and nephews coming out from california be like hey you want to walk around 20 miles past children of the corn in the middle of nowhere nah we good we'll stay here in la so um if max's putter is good that's what it'll be for him this last question.
Who do you have to win? Not name Scotty Shufford. Do you have a pick? No.
You can't do Scotty. So you're saying Scotty.
It's just Scotty. Come on, man.
Yeah. Listen, went back in the day when it was like that too with Tiger, and you would be like, Tiger or the field? How many people were like, oh, it's the field? Yeah.
No, you're right. You're right.
Yeah. It's it.
Man, it's how – I don't know how you pick against Scottie. And the other thing about this year now because of what happened at the PGA, what are we going to say if Scottie wins the Masters, the U.S.
Open, and the Open Championship? I know. And the reason that he didn't win the PGA was because of what happened on Friday.
Well, the officer's pants got destroyed. I don't know if you saw the picture.
It was an ugly scene. His pants are around his ankles, all right.
The whole Louisville Police Department's pants are around their ankles. Yeah, that's a playbook.
How to beat Scotty Shuffler. Just get him arrested.
Mayberry RFD. Hit him up before the round.
Yeah. That's going to be what happens.
Like going into the open championship, somebody's going to make a call to TSA over there and be like, yo, this dude's bringing in paraphernalia. Yeah.
Yeah. Get him.
Get him. He went hunting before.
You know what that means. Might not want to let him in.
Search him good. Yeah.
Yeah. He's from Texas.
Has a gun maybe. Check him out.
Do a double check. Do a double check.
All right, well, Michael, this has been awesome, man. We really appreciate it.
You do great stuff, and we're excited to watch some golf this weekend. Hey, I'm really excited.
Thanks, you guys, for having me on, man. I've been wanting to be on y'all show for a while, dude.
So this means a lot for me to be able to come on and hang out with you guys so anytime bro anytime we got it we got to get you in person play around with you yeah you could get you could get in our head you could tell us psychology of the golf game yeah you could do everything actually that'd be funny you did everything wrong like you tried to fuck us up the most yeah it might make us good that is not a problem you do that you know you can do that on an interview saturday or even like when sirius xm used to make me do pre-round interviews

and i was like i'm not doing that because you asked the guy the wrong question and you're in

his head and then the next time he sees you he's like i ain't talking to you ever again

so getting in golfer's heads is easy yeah ain't the problem yeah love it all right well thanks so

much man appreciate it and uh we'll hopefully see you soon. Absolutely.
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So I remember when he was 34, 35 years old, you know, he looked at me and was like, hey, love, I've been in the league half my life. And that always stuck with me.
Like you saw LeBron had just done that. You had seen in football that Tom Brady had done it.
So that had always stuck with me. So when I hear that I've been in the league 16 years, I came in at 19, got drafted 19 back in 2008.
It's wild. Like going into year 17, I'm signed through that with the heat.
And I can hope to continue to keep going but that goal for me has always been to say be able to say I've played half my life in the NBA but I'm getting old that gray hair is really I mean people you know message me there'll be guys that uh you know on the other side now which is funny coming in from people like Richard Jefferson who doesn't have any hair but he's like man those grays really come out on tv it like really really sticks out and ages you yeah you

should do like a little makeover this off season just remind people like you're still young maybe go full bleach like eminem oh full bleach would be good but i always thought like you know i always saw remember there's like the touch of gray where like the guy that's young and hungry has like the full black jet hair. And then the older dude has the full gray hair.
Then they merge them. I feel like there's something there that could be had.
Maybe you guys can. Yeah.
Oh, I get in the right direction. You can go Pauly Walnuts.
Just get the wings on either side. Yeah.
That would look strong. Why not? Yeah.
Yeah. Very strong.
I'm going gray and I do from time to time will touch it up.

But I respect you for not. Like, you know, representation matters.
So seeing you out there running around on the court with gray hair, it helps. I appreciate that.
Yeah. Someday I want to grow up and do that.
The few, the proud. No question.
Yeah, sweet, sweet. You're not going to retire, right? We can officially – you're officially not going to retire.
I hope not. No, Bam, actually Bam on a bio in our Boston series, our only series, had said something in the media about, oh, you know, Kevin said he doesn't have much time left and that he could be on his way out.
So that kind of led to a lot of questions of me possibly retiring. But I'm, I'm know to the wheels fall off i'm gonna make this thing go as long as i possibly can so 16 heading into 17 for a kid from uh lake oswego oregon not too bad yeah pretty good what was it like being in in year 16 in miami because i think a lot of people think miami great time kind of an easy lifestyle but playing for heat, they do like weigh-ins and stuff, right? They have like a lot of structure around their program.
Is that easy for you to translate into and to kind of fit in there as an older guy that's established yourself in the league? It really did, and it was easy to fit in in terms of it being very refreshing for somebody like me. Coach Spoh grew up in Portland, Oregon.

He's somebody that I've watched and admired from afar,

somebody that back in 2008, they had the second pick.

I ended up being the fifth pick that I was kind of hoping

that there was a way I could play myself into that.

It ended up being Michael Beasley, and then it was O.J. Mayo,

the third pick, fourth pick, Russ, and then myself.

But I'd always looked at the Heat as a team that I potentially like to play for. They have just that ethos of, they talk about culture all the time, but just championship type mentality, attention to detail, coming every game, trying to work no matter who's in, who's out.
We're going to give ourselves an opportunity in preparation to win. So as far as like falling in love with the game again, there's been different stages in my career where I felt that has happened.
When I first got to Miami last year, I really did feel that. I loved not only being in the city, being around the fans, you know, having my family out there with me, but, you know, playing for such a storied franchise that only has one thing on their mind, and that's to win games and to win championships, that was just refreshing being around that every single day, and especially having that full year from training camp all the way on through the playoffs this year was definitely special.
Yeah, so you mentioned the one playoff series this year. Obviously last year you guys went deep all the way to the NBA finals,

but the Celtics, the battles that have happened,

you know that team well.

They're in the finals now.

What is it about the Celtics that they do so well

or different versus everyone else that has them on the cusp

of winning an NBA title?

Well, they turned, and this is no disrespect to those two guys because they meant so much to them but you know drew holiday uh and derrick white you had marcus smart and robert williams turned into those two guys i mean uh excuse me poor zingas yeah and then you have and then you have derrick white and and drew holiday as their x factors those two guys being factors, it's just, they do everything right all the time. I mean, game two was unbelievable to watch Drew operate.
Obviously, I'm a fan of his being a UCLA guy, a guy that I played against, you know, a lot in my career and also growing up having watched him. Campbell Hall guy in Los Angeles.
So to see him go 11 for 14 and have 26 and 11 in game two was, it just shows you how deep that their team is. I think that he is, Drew has continued to be overlooked, not just in this series, but throughout his entire career as well.
Like he could have been a perennial all-star guy that could have asked for more, but he's certainly gone throughout his career the right way. And Derek White is somebody who just continues to impress.
He lit us up in the first round. And, you know, when other guys, you know, weren't having great games or they weren't shooting well, or Porzingis went out in our series that, you know know he was able to step up and play extremely well but back to you know Marcus Martin Robert Williams becoming Drew and Porzingis they just unlock so much for them when you have a guy that's 7-3 and that can stretch the floor and then can allow you know Brown and Tatum to operate how they want it's just impossible to guard yeah and they just throw so many different type of looks at you and um it's it's tough it's why they've been the best team all year with the best record yeah well you guys you guys showed the roadmap of how to beat the celtics you just don't miss threes just hit every three-point shot do you think that the maverick should try that they should.
I mean, game one, I think they were – what did they shoot? Six for 26 and then maybe seven for 27 in game two. Maybe I have that flip-flop, but they haven't been shooting the ball well from three.
I mean, everybody knows that this game three is going to be the series, but they're a team that they always talk about – Missoula talks about playing the math game. They're going to get their threes up.
They're going to continue to put guys on the island, and then on defense, they're going to switch one through five and try to force you to not get those threes. They're going to try to funnel you towards the hoop, funnel you towards Horford, funnel you towards Porzingis.
They're going to switch. They have a big lineup.
You know, it's tough to get a lot of, you know, shots off of them because they're

crashing from the three point line and you have to hope that you're going to get transition threes and easy transition shots against them because they find so many ways to punish you on both sides of the ball. But if you don't generate enough threes and make enough threes, you won't beat them.
Yeah. Do role players actually play better at home? Yeah, I think, I mean, Jaden Hardy was the only one that really did anything for Dallas in game one.
I think he had, what, 13 points. And in game two, there wasn't really much help from that side.
But then it's funny. You talk about role players, six-man.
You have Porzingis that comes out, hits his his first few shots ends up getting 20 points in limited minutes i mean that's it just shows you

how good of a team that boston is but they play they play well at home um i think dallas will

certainly do the same i think they'll shoot better i think they'll get more from from their x factors

they were well balanced in game two throughout their starting lineup i think everybody scored

double figures but you know they're gonna need more to beat this team game one was

Thank you. They were well-balanced in Game 2 throughout their starting lineup.
I think everybody scored double figures. But, you know, they're going to need more to beat this team.
Game 1 was certainly ugly. Game 2 was, you know, better in terms of, you know, closer score.
And they gave them – it was a lot more competitive game. But Game 3, there's certain things that need to happen, as we talked about.
But my boy Kyrie Irving really has to step up up in game three I was going to ask that because you obviously know Kyrie very well won a title with him like what do you think it's as easy as like he had two bad games and he can just flip the switch and like you know he's got to because he does have to play better you know going into this series the Celtics are the better team overall if Luka and Kyrie can play out of their mind, they have a fighter's chance, but right now Kyrie just hasn't played well. He hasn't played well, and what was he? 6-for-19 and then 7-for-18 in game two? It's not only about hitting shots.
He needs to when they come to double him or they switch off onto him, he has to continue to create. I was waiting in all the series leading up to the finals.
You always saw he kind of just let the game come to him in the first half and the second half he exploded. And so I was just sitting there the first two games waiting for it, waiting for it, waiting for it.
And yeah, he did have two bad games. Obviously he has the history there in Boston.
I know he wants to prove himself and I don't care what he says. He doesn't care.
Maybe he likes those guys on that team, but he doesn't care for the city. Obviously, like we said, tomorrow game three is the series.
They have to win that one, but in order for that to happen, Kyrie has to be himself, and he just wasn't in those first two games. It's as simple as that.
His shot making and his leadership this year has taken such a huge stride and really taken that team to the next level. But it has to be that Batman and Robin with him and Luka.
Luka has, again, more than done his part, and he's been excellent in these playoffs. Yeah, he needs Kyrie to be his wingman.
Yeah, Luka might be the best player in the world right now. Do you have a top five? A top five in the world? Yeah.
Top five in the world. It's very important.
Joker is. Yeah.
Yeah, Joker is. But I'm always like all things considered, right? So I think, you know, Joker is up there.
Certainly Luka, SGA, Embiid. Giannis.
Giannis. I mean, like, in that health plays a factor too so like Joel when he's at in peak form and he's feeling good like if he was healthy throughout the playoffs I believe that they do beat the Knicks but then the Knicks it's like they have guys banged up Randall's out so with teams as well everybody gets I mean look at out.
Terry Rozier was out. So, you know, I think that health plays a big part in all that.
But top five, yeah, I'd probably say those guys. Good answer.
Good top five. Yeah.
And, I mean, maybe not in that order, but it's pretty close. Yeah, it's definitely those five, though.
Yeah, go ahead. Did, uh, the end of the Timberwolves Mavericks series when Rudy Gobera was trying to play defense on, on Luca and you were like, I did that against Steph Curry.
I did. I didn't say exactly that when Rudy was guarding him, but I, uh, I don't know.
I was kind of torn on how I felt about, you know, if I wanted the Timberwolves to to win or not, because I do like the way how the way that their team is built. Anthony Edwards, how can you not enjoy watching him and love watching him play? And as a competitor, they play in different ways.
I like how Nas Reed, Jay McDaniels, all those guys play. But, yeah, I think you get put on that island by somebody like luca it's like i said i just you know we've gone over that play in 2016 probably 200 times within the uh film sessions the scouting reports the walkthrough so you know when i switched out on to steph during that possession i kind of just try to keep my feet down force him into a tough shot and listen he just missed the shot everybody said oh it's this great a tough shot, and listen, he just missed the shot.
Everybody said, oh, it's this great stop. He kept his feet down, but he just missed the shot.
You locked him up. Come on.
Yeah, I locked his ass up. At the end of the day, if you're Rudy Gobert on any guard trying to switch out, he was on an island.
I don't know what they were doing, where the help was, why they switched off, but I think I don't know if it was McDaniels or who it was that they had gotten a switch and when you slow it down, you had kind of seen his face just like, oh man, shit, here we go again. And that was it.
Alright, so in terms of like the Mavericks in that locker room right now, because you obviously famously, you were on a team that was down two games. You were down three, one in the series against the Warriors.
I know there's the whole, we can't panic, but what is it actually like? Is there, is there a nervous energy of like, we're, we're up against it right now? For sure. And I think that's also healthy, right? You, it's important to you.
You want to feel like, all right, our back's up against the wall.

And, you know, I've been on teams where not only 16, but even, you know,

last year when everybody counted us out and we made that finals run,

our backs were against the wall.

And we felt like that.

We felt like, you know, it's just going to be us.

We have to step up.

We have to play better. But we can also, especially at home, you know, play into our crowd.

We're going to need them. It does matter.
Home court advantage does matter.

But everybody has to play their best.

And I think in some ways you also have to play like there's,

there's nothing to lose at the same time. You have to play free because,

you know, you can't go out there and be,

be shooting under 30% from three and expect to win. So you have to be loose.

You have to be free. And I think speaking of Kyrie Irving too, I think he has to, you know, cause he's done it all year, but he's been a real leader for this team and he's going to have to come out tomorrow and show them the way.
Cause he's, he's won a championship. He knows what it takes.
He's played extremely well in the finals a few times. And I think he's going to be the one that's going to have to set the tone for him.
But I do think there's, you know, the healthy emotions and the appropriate fear of, hey, if we don't win this game, you know, this is probably it. So I think the Celtics also know and Missoula also know like, hey, we're going to this is going to be their haymaker tomorrow that they're going to throw and we have to withstand that.
But I know that Jason Kittle have them ready for tomorrow. And on the reverse side, I mean, you've been in series where you're up 2-0.
Do you find yourself having like we aren't playing with the same urgency because it does feel like that's the path here for the Mavs. They obviously have to win game three, and then you're hoping that game four is tight and you can go from there.
Because there always does feel that psychology of game three, going back home, other teams up 2-0. Maybe they're not playing with the type of focus and energy that they should have.
Yeah, I think it's some people's natural instinct is to relax or to think it comes, I shouldn't say easy, but, you know, our route here to, you know, potentially winning a game three, which could be a series and championship deciding game. And, you know, just to pull it back a little bit is probably all that, you know, a team like Dallas needs to you know use their crowd to use the city to use uh everybody you know stepping up and playing well to their advantage but i i do believe that there is something certainly to that when you when you talk about um you know the psychology of the game you you see that happen a lot guys just it's a natural instinct just to relax relax.
All right, we're up 2-0. We have some breathing room.
But I do believe that Tatum, Brown, the guys that have been there a while are going to make sure that that isn't the case. But until you actually get out there and lace them up and toss the ball up, you just never know.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's going to be interesting. And you were talking about Kyrie's leadership ability that he has this year or seems to have.
He seems like he's kind of matured a whole lot this season. We were saying that actually he needs to get back to the wild Kyrie.
Yeah, at least for this series. Yeah, just go unhinged.
Bring the sage out. Just, you know, bring the walking stick in.
Like if you do that and change that dynamic, say the earth is flat again, I think we might have a 40-point game out of Kyrie. Yeah, I like that.
He absolutely should. But when you were playing with him, he might have been just a different guy because you mature as you get older.
It's kind of human nature. Is he a vocal leader? Do you know about him being a very vocal presence in the locker room at shoot around, or did he keep to himself most often? Most often he kept to himself.
But I think to his point, he knew when he spoke up or when he spoke up that, which wasn't often that guys were going to listen because he kind of would catch you off guard when he did that. So he wanted to kind of hang on his every word because he knew that it must have really been important to him for him to say something but i think he always at least when he was around us led by example and was one of those guys that was just incredible to to play with and to watch i tell everybody all the time i've never seen a better first of all people talk about handle talk about game uh i think everybody says it now, but we looked at him and said, man, if he was 6'5 or 6'6, he'd be Kobe.
And he already is so skilled. He has a crazy post-up game, handle, shot selection, best under the rim finisher that I've ever seen.
And in a five-on-five type of situation or scenario in practice, I've never seen anybody better. I've never seen anybody better than Kyrie Irving.
Yeah. So, question about coaching during the finals or the playoffs in general.
Has there been a specific moment where one of your coaches gave you guys an adjustment that unlocked everything? Because I never know. You see adjustments throughout the series, but I never know how much it's overrated or it's underrated if the coaching in a series game to game really does get a team like, oh, once they made this switch, it just changed everything.
Yeah, and I think now when you have all these advanced analytics and you have numbers that tell a story, there certainly are more adjustments to be made.

But, you know, it's such a, you know, a small ball and switching type of league now that you have to find ways to take advantage of that, you know, as well as, you know where and what the other team where they're getting their best um you know where they're functioning at their best and where they're getting their most points per possession you know depending on where we're sending a guy are we sending help are we going to double team them are we going to trap them are we going to send the low man i mean there's so many different things. Depending on the matchup that dictate what those, you know, different changes are going to be throughout the course of a game, the course of a series could be a lineup change.
There's just so many different decisions that have to be made throughout the course of a seven game series. And I'm sure there one coming here in game three what that is I don't know I think Boston obviously is going to run it back and play the same way but uh Jason Kidd is going to find a way to uh you know unlock them on the offensive end which is um you know going to be huge for them in game three yeah I mean he already tried the Jalen Brown is the best team or player on the Celtics.
Did you think that was a little desperate? Do you think that was a little desperate because it's like it was after game one and also those guys we were joking on Sunday like it feels like it was maybe like three or four years too late to do that because it might have worked four years ago with those two guys but it feels like they've been through so many wars together and matured so much that they are kind of in this weird. I don't think they care.
Yeah, they don't care anymore, and they just want to win. They don't care.
Yeah. And it's funny.
I think it was posed to Drew Holiday like, hey, did you hear what Jason Kidd had said about Jalen Brown being the best player? He's like, well, he is. Okay, what's the follow-up to that? There's no follow-up.
And then, you know, Tatum after game two was like, man, golly, I need to – he literally said golly, too. That's not me saying that.
He said, you know, he's like, I need to make some shots. But he's like, why is it – why am I focusing on myself right now, making shots where we're winning two basketball games, other guys are playing great, and we haven't won a championship, what, in 15, 16, however many years it's been, 08.
Why would I care about myself missing shots right now? So, I mean, JB has been – Dan Brown has been great for them throughout the playoffs, and at times he really is their best player. So I do think it was, yeah, maybe a few years too late.
There's too much scar tissue. There's too many layers to be peeled back after so many tough losses for them, whether in the finals, Eastern Conference Finals.
But, no, they don't care. They don't give a give a shit yeah yeah um probably smart on their part like they've dealt with this enough if you say at the start of a season maybe it gets in the guy's head but they're like this is too important right now we're in the nba finals this is what we work for those mind game jason kidd's gonna need to like spill a couple more gatorades i think like step up step up yeah the gatorade throw smart man's a great adjustment.
I've never seen that before. Yeah, it was really good.
Got to ask you about Bill Walton. So you guys have the UCLA connection.
Bill was – we can't call him a friend of ours. We had him on the show one time.
But he's such a unique dude and an interesting person that he's a guy that will leave a mark on you whenever you meet him. I'm assuming you got to spend a fair amount of time with Bill.
And just curious to know from your perspective, like any great Bill Walton stories or anything that's going to stick with you about getting to hang out with him? Just the type of person he was. I think that I was very fortunate to have been around him and got to spend time around Coach Wooden and Bill Walton at the same time, which for a 17-year-old was incredibly special.
I think at the time, you know, I like to say it wasn't lost on me, but looking back and really understanding who they were and what they meant to the game of basketball, Obviously, Coach Wood in the overall game, but certainly the college basketball game, but Bill just everywhere. I mean, he was a force of nature, somebody who was bigger than the game itself, made people feel a certain way, not only about him, but about time you were around him you just felt like what life is supposed to be about like the goodness of him and him but I can remember the first time that I I spoke to him was when I was 16 years old I was getting recruited by by UCLA way coach Howland was, you know, he wanted me to take a call.

And, you know, it was about a 30-minute call because Bill likes to speak. And he just told me probably two minutes about UCLA basketball,

a couple minutes about, you know, Coach Wooden and the tradition of excellence. But then he spoke about pet sounds, the grateful dead, the beach boys in that era for about 25 minutes.
And I was like, man, what an act that guy was special. Um, but he was just somebody who, um, again, uh, I watched growing up.
I watched the Boston Celtics outlet drills. i watched him on that 86 team uh you know being a six man they always said playing when he wanted to leaned on stories about him from kevin mckale my first year in minnesota obviously furthering the big man tradition at ucla was a huge thing for me.
Me going there in 07, 08 and seeing his photo everywhere, hearing all the stories. And it's funny.
I know I'm a little bit all over the map here, but Bill was – he's just a very special guy that meant so much to the league, and he will be solely missed for sure. Yeah.
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Go right now. So the Olympics coming up.
Are you waiting to see if you make the team? I'm not going to make the team this time. We need to stand up for Kevin Love like people are doing for Caitlin Clark.
Be like, this is bullshit. If you want to grow the game, you have Kevin Love in the Olympics.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, this is bullshit. But you did win a gold medal in 2012 in London.
How awesome is it playing the olympic team just being like we're fucking we're so much better than everyone it's pretty awesome i mean but you know and a lot of these teams that that you play against you especially now the the world game across the board has gotten so much better um and you see of those players that we mentioned earlier in the top five what are four four out of the five um non-american yeah right so it's amazing to see where the game has gone even since 2012 uh with the olympics in 2010 where the world championships where the game has grown to and also crazy you know when you when i look at those photos and you know you look to your left or your left you look to your right and you're like okay it's kobe young kevin durant lebron carmelo russell westbrook yeah it's just like it's pretty wild to see um you know just how good that team was but now you look in 2024 what that team is going to look like if Embiid does indeed play um you know in the starting five and throughout their entire team who they're going to put on the floor is really going to be um you know special to watch and even though I didn't get picked for the team, I will still tune in and make sure that I'm checking that out. Although the women's, I don't know.
If Kevin Clark's on the team, I might not watch. That's what everyone's saying.
We're all boycotting. Yeah, I'm boycotting.
Do you agree that if Jason Tatum was from Eastern Europe that he would be in the top five? That he would be in the top five? Yeah. A lot of people are having the conversation.
If he was from Eastern Europe? Is it anti-American bias? Hank is just mad. Hank is mad because Jason Tatum is the sixth best guy or seventh best player in the league, and he gets upset that people don't put him as the third best player in the league.
No, this is a lie. They're gaslighting.
There's levels to this. There's a lot of chatter that, yeah, if, you know, best player, best team, should he be in the top five? Plays defense, unlike Luka.
Oh, Hank's getting spicy. Oh, Hank.
That's got to mean something. No, I think, listen, it's, yeah's it's tough to say i i feel like this league is so it's so much based on like your scoring output now all the rules everything is pretty much you know manufactured in order for guys to score so i think you look at a guy like luca who's averaging, you know, he's averaging 30, then 31, 32, 33, then 4, 35 points a game, you know.
And, yeah, he's – they basically put him on the, you know, weak side block to play defense. So he just kind of has to tag guys in the – but he gets to save all his energy for offense.
His offense is his defense, but no, I get what you mean.

Like Missoula,

he does a great job of making sure that everybody that comes in, you,

you have to, you have to guard your man. And if you switch, you have to,

you have to make it hard for the next guy.

I think Tatum does a really good job of that, but yeah, it's,

I think it's hard for a lot of people to put him in their top five. Is that fair? I don't know, but if he ends up winning a championship, I don't really think he'll give a shit.
You won't either, Hank. Yeah, you won't either.
We need the Mavs to at least win one game because it sucks that we're two games into the NBA Finals and we're doing where's Jason Tatum ranked. But that's what Hank does to us.
Shut up. I have never cared about the rank.
He gaslights. I'm a team guy.
I'm a results guy. I just want to win.
Kevin, I get him. Yeah, you're two games in, they have to win, and Hank's like, hey, I know a guest we should have on.
It's Kevin Love. Yeah.
Yeah. He is our producer.
Yeah. When it comes to the Olympics, what was that like for you? Did you have to stay in the same Olympic village as like every other athlete or was there a special section for

multimillionaire superstar basketball players? The latter, there was a special section for us,

you know, kind of in the epicenter of London at the time. So we, we didn't, we didn't stay in the the olympic village which was uh upsetting because it was i mean it's like you're you're you know back in a college type atmosphere and um you're in you're in the dorms and uh you just get to be around every other country every other athlete and you know kind of break bread with them but we uh we visited but we usab we kind of had our spot off to the side and um took a bit a little bit tougher uh route logistically to get to where we needed to be but again staying in the village would have been uh an experience yeah all right well kevin thank you as always man we appreciate it when uh the heat come to town next year in chicago you got to come come by come by and check out the new office.
We'll maybe we'd love to run us through some drills, but appreciate it. And we'll talk to you soon, man.
All right, gentlemen. Appreciate you.
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Breaking moves. What's breaking moves? Breaking moves.
Aaron Rodgers is not attending minicamp, and it is not excused per Robert Sala. So he's going to get fin get fined he said rogers had a previous engagement an event that is important to him wait minicamp no one goes to minicamp it's not excused it's not excused he's at an event who cares the ayahuasca olympics he's probably doing some politics stuff maybe maybe at the sphere so it's not Company.
Why would Robert S... Why wouldn't he just say it's excused and not make it a whole...
Like, you're just basically asking for it to be a headline for no reason. Yeah.
Good job, memes. Way to figure it out.
Yeah, this is a nothing burger. Nothing burger.
Nothing. He's been to all voluntary OTAs.
Unexcused. Right, but that's our point.
If it's a nothing burger, why wouldn't you just make it a nothing burger? Yeah, he should have just said it's excused, and then you give the Florios of the world a headline. Oh, the Florios.
Right, right. What does that mean, the Florios? How many Florios are there? There's so many so many florios who are your top three florios right now uh based on the two i saw uh so florio's one

uh-huh okay matt miller he's an nfl scout wait florio's the number one florio florio's number

one and still okay so it's still yeah matt miller two i just saw i think he works for espn and

diana russini diana's the number three florio yeah wow sounds like a little anti-italian bias there matt miller include rich samini in there through matt miller in there average is fine so wow diana is the damn number three florio brutal okay then we got a lot of florios out there a lot of florios also max what's

this uh ben simmons jason tatum thing you keep retweeting i didn't people people kept tagging

me in it and i just wanted to tell them to stop tagging me okay so what is it uh it was just a

it was just like a stat line that said that ben simmons had better stats than

jason tatum does in these playoffs in what way or in the finals ben simmons was in the finals

No, no, no, just like in his career compared to these finals. In his regular season career? Jason Tatum was just playing like Ben Simmons in these finals.
He's averaging almost a triple-double. So did Ben Simmons.
In the regular season? Yeah, but that's fine. And what happened in the playoffs? I told people to stop tagging me.
Do you think that this is a good strategy to get people to stop tagging you? Yes, I wanted them to stop. That's all.
It's just sad how much people hate it. I agree.
It's not. But even I'm reading the first question that memes sent, memes hands picks these, and he goes, hey, PMT boys and Mavs, Max, my take is that Jason Tatum is the NBA equivalent of Brock Purdy.
That is just, you have to reach so hard as a hater to come to that conclusion.

You really do.

I respect it, though.

Same with Ben Simmons.

I respect it.

He's a system guard, or system number three.

Okay, but Hank, you are partially to blame for this.

No.

Yes, you are. No.

Because the Jason Tatum discourse sucks because people try to put him in this top three, top five range. He's not.
But there's a big difference. I think the best leader of the team that's the best team in the NBA and then potentially wins the NBA championship, yeah, those conversations deserve to be had.
Luka doesn't play defense. Jason Tatum is awesome.
Jason Tatum is not

on the same level as Luka

and Jokic

and Giannis.

It's just not the same.

I don't really care as much about the

individual discourse. I just want

the Celtics to win.

It's crazy how much people like Jason Tatum.

That's not true because

every time when I said Luka was better than Tatum, you're like, you're a fucking Tatum hater. You got mad at me for that.
Yeah. Okay, so then it's not true that, like, that's my point is that you get, when I say- He would just diminish him.
They give him like, oh, he's not a fucking top five, top ten. Like, Shea has been good for one year.
But when I say, that's not true. When I say that- Top five level? No, but he's been...
It's not just this is the first year that he's ever been good at basketball. As a top five player.
He was really good the year before. Wasn't he really good the year before? I would not say he was a top five player.
No, he wasn't. But Tatum is not a top five player either.
He's like seven, which is fine, which is awesome. But it's close enough where the conversation can be had.
No, I think there's levels to it that it's very different. But putting Shia in there and just being like, oh, yeah, he's 100% top five.
He had a good year. Wait, I didn't say Shia was in the top five right now.
Got it. You pretending like you don't get triggered anytime anyone says anything even remotely bad about Tatum is a fucking lie.
I don't mind people saying stuff bad. This is, Max, you're right.
Max loves this because he knows I'm right. You're a liar for something.
I'm open to criticism. I'm open to discourse.
No, that is not true. Once you throw up Ben Simmons and Brock Hurtie.
For the record, I said I didn't want people to tag me in that. But you're being completely disingenuous to pretend.
You're gaslighting. No, I'm not.
You're pretending. Hank's saying I am completely open to criticism.
Open to criticism is ridiculous. I take more criticism than anyone else.
This is crazy. Yeah, I mean, you're not open to it.
I'm super open to it. Bring it on.
I think you invite. It gets brought on me every day.
You invite criticism.

Yeah, I exist.

Yes.

That's the issue.

Yeah, that's it.

Also, the stack comparison is very funny because it's comparing Tatum's finals, of which we have a sample size of two games.

Well, no.

False.

He gets Warriors.

No, 2024 finals.

It's just this year's finals.

And it's being compared to Simmons' entire rookie year

and also only outside of the restricted area. So just kept they kept throwing like little cats yeah i defended tatum's game two performance when people were saying he was trash you you're b you are disingenuous you are that's not true you are because you anytime i would say that tatum i'm gonna open that upper upper level'd be like, you fucking just hate him.
The rest is still unwritten. Calling him 6-7 is not an insult.
I never said it was. Yes, you have.
But I think a conversation could be made for calling him top five. So the fact is, his game too, if you're just basing it off of an average player or not, like the standard average in-game player, Jason Tatum played a good game compared to average.
The guys on your team matter. He did not play a good game compared to what you would expect from a top-five player.
Staying healthy should matter. Sure.
But the guys on your team matter. The Celtics have an awesome team.
Tatum's an awesome player. He's not the same as the top three or four guys in the league.
You're making people hate Jason Tatum. Yes.
That's my point. He has made it.
I'm reacting to the discourse. He wants Jason Tatum to be considered in the level of the best player in the league.
He's just not, but that's okay. It doesn't mean that he's bad.
He's really fucking good. He's going to have a career where he's like the fifth to seventh best player for a decade plus.
It's going to be a Hall of Fame career. You said five.
Sixth to seventh best player for a decade plus. It's crazy how hung up you are on five.
Anytime somebody hates on Jason Tatum, they're really hating on Hank. And you're becoming an avatar of everybody that is a pain in the ass to root for Hank.
Yeah, whatever. I'm just defending my guy.
Which I respect. What is your guys' thoughts on if college football did a March Madness style bracket with 68 instead of their playoffs? You'd have so much football and hit on so many overs, Ollie from Canada.
Are you talking about the regular season? Yeah, that would be the regular season. No, football wouldn't work.
What do you think is the perfect number of teams for for college football playoffs i kind of like 12 i think 16 get four extra games i kind of yeah i kind of like 12 well i think a good number i think they need to get rid of um they need to get rid of the conference championship because that feels like it should just be the top two are automatically in like the the conference championship should actually be the third and the fourth best team playing to get into the college football playoff not the first and second that would get like michigan and ohio state though we're going to be playing for the same michigan ohio state played for a conference championship they're both already going to be in the playoff yeah so it's like an added game that doesn't really i know it's the home home field advantages at stake but i would i the only thing i would like to see is like i would like i i'm always in favor of as many ways for teams to play their way in yeah leave it less to the voters it would be weird though if it was a conference championship and it was the third and the fourth best you just didn't call it a conference championship game you just called it a play in. Yeah, right.
You know what I mean? I like being able to play as many games on the field as possible so it's not a judged, like, oh, this team's resume versus this team's resume. Just play it out.
Yeah. Maybe get Florida State to play against the second-place team in the Big Ten and Florida State can beat them.
Then they're in. 16 teams? 12 to 16 is good, but I hope they don't expand it any further than that.
No, no, I think that's the limit. Because once you get past 12, 16, it's teams that have some big flaws that would really, I don't think, deserve to play for a national title.
Hey, Big Cat PFT Hank and my brother Max from Philly. Not enough people are talking about how Luka doesn't play defense and that if Jason Tatum was from Europe, then everyone would be glazing him as hard as Luka.
Wait, I thought Meme set it up for you. Yeah, this was a good one.
Oh, interesting. If Jason Tatum was European, if he was Slovak, what would happen? You didn't even read the Brock Purdy one Yeah, you didn't read the Brock Purdy Well, yeah, I stopped at the first sentence Because it was so stupid Yeah, right It basically just said that Brock Purdy has good players around him And he's a good player But he has good players around him Which makes him a better player But remember, Hank's open to criticism He just won't finish the question Well, you just started.
No, you started. You said.
I'm disingenuous. No, you said that.
That's a bold. Those are fighting words.
You are. I'm not.
I'm genuine. I'm genuine.
I'm genuine as fuck. Okay.
Brock Purdy was almost the MVP. True.
Take that as a compliment. Yeah.
Would you say that Brock Purdy is one of the top three QBs at any point? No, I would not. Oh, interesting.
And the fact that it's... He's had nothing but success.
Brock Purdy has not had nothing but success. He literally has had nothing but success.
He was a six-round pick. He was a six-round pick.
Oh, well, that's not success. Do you have a draft order now? Well, yeah, if he had nothing but success, he would have been successful in college.
He would have been successful. He would have got drafted higher.
How successful was Jason Tatum in college? He scored a lot. He was good.
Brock Purdy scored a lot in college. He got drafted three.
AWL Robbie for math, which will happen first. The process being completed or max during the lottery ball? Oh, that's a good question.
The problem is the process we've talked about. This will never be complete.
They can keep it going forever. It's always up for debate.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's really the butterfly effect. Unless they win, then it's complete.
Then it's complete. Yeah, but that's not going to happen.
Yeah. All right.
Last one. What's up, Matty? My theories of Tennessee Titans draft Matt Leinart, not Vince Young, the Titans would have won at least one Super Bowl.
No. 03-04, USC wins the Natty back-to-back.
05, the Titans hire Norm Chow. USC makes it back to the Natty in 05 but narrowly lose to Texas.
The Tits owner, Bud Adam, being a Texas guy, drafts Young with third overall. The Tits end up drafting Lindell White in the second, and Leinhardt went tenth overall.
Now, you cannot tell me if we had almost three Pete, national champ, OC, Heisman QB, backup power back, and two years later draft CJ2K, that the Tits wouldn't have at least won one Super Bowl. Some all-time fan fiction.
These are also the years Titans had Bullock, KVB, and PFT's boy Albert Haynesworth on defense. Interested to hear your thoughts.
So basically you're saying just keep USC together. Yeah.
They're trying to do with the Eagles. They're like the Eagles.
No, the Knicks. The Eagles, too.
But Knicks with Nova. Yeah, but Knicks with Nova.
I don't mind this level of cope because then you can just look back and say yeah we basically basically won a Super Bowl yeah but also Vince Young was very very good his rookie year yeah he showed some promise yeah did he win rookie of the year? he did yeah and now he's reduced to playing pro-ams on the golf tour yeah doing interviews doing interviews. Wasn't he on Madden cover? He was.
Yes, he was. Wow.
Hank, do you feel like we didn't end this thing? No, we're good. We got two games left.
You're just – I just can't wait for him to drop like 240 pieces and win. And then it's like – So what happens if he doesn't? And we win the championship? Then he's still the leader of a championship team hank have you thought about what has to happen if you if the celtics win yes someone reminded me that yeah you have to shave your head okay great yeah i'll get to it good wait when what do you mean you'll get to it i mean we just don't like i'll get to it you're just never never going to do it.
Eventually. When's when's that?

You told Derek White you would do it.

And I will.

And we'll have Derek White back on and be like, where?

Why isn't your head shaved?

If he's what's your answer? If he's here, if he comes back in here.

No, no, no.

You said that you would do it.

I will do it.

That's my.

So when he comes back on the show.

No, I give you my word that I will shave my head if the Celtics win a championship.

So when he comes back on the show, you'll make sure that your head shaved for him? I will do it. Are you saying that you're not going to do it now? I will do it.
When Derek White is back on the show after the Celtics win the title and he's like, hey, where's my guy Hank? He still doesn't have a perm. I have at least two years.
I don't know when that bet was from, but you've given me a two-year window to shave my head.

All-time deflections.

Once you get the perm, that's when the window closes.

That's the statute of limitations.

Memes.

When we have to pay off our bets.

Get the perm.

Call up the perm.

Get the perm, people.

I'm willing to do the perm at any time.

He's always been willing to do the perm.

That's what I'm saying.

I will shave my head.

Always willing.

I will definitely shave my head.

Memes told me it was happening in the live stream when I got the tattoo.

I was ready to do both.

Don't know what happened to the perm person.

Yeah.

But once you close the perm bet then that's the window that i have to shave my head this no hank you're being now you're being disingenuous he's being he's being very dis genuous as fuck all day you're the you're the you're the leader of the show hank you are the host of My Take. You're the host.
You're being disingenuous, Hank.

No, I'm being genuous.

I don't think it's a word.

It is, and Hank's being it.

It's literally just look at Hank right now, disingenuous.

Wait, you don't think disingenuous is a word, Jake? No, genuous.

Oh, no, genuous, definitely not a word.

Yeah, no.

But that's fine.

Genuine.

Genuine.

Yeah.

He's being a genuine schmuck.

Genuine.

Wynonna Ryder.

Gotcha. It is Wynonna Judd.
That's where where I learned Winona. Still, but that doesn't.
It's Winona Ryder. She's going to take whatever I call her.
Disingenuous. I'm a man of my word.
What bet have I not paid up on? Wait, we need to go back and look at the actual transcript of that. Did you say that there say that there was like a time frame when you shave your head no yeah right after no as as you guys were saying it i knew stop it like oh that was a perm bet you knew in the back of your head that the perm bet well it's like you guys have set the example you guys are the leaders of the show and why not son i don't know i could i could find something.
Okay. But PFT, like.
I'm willing to do the perm. Back to fiction.
Like, there's not much I can do. The perm hurts.
The perm hurts. If there's a perm capable person that's in the building right now, I'll get a perm right now.
I've never tried to stop the perm. I've actively encouraged the perm.
All right. Let's finish up.
Numbers. I will shave my head if the celtics win the championship and for derrick white when he comes back on next season no do you think that maybe you don't have a choice like again like you can talk you can you if you're upset with me get upset with him all right so if you're upset with me look in the mirror buddy worst case scenario when was the perm bet that was the eagles the Eagles.
That's November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June. Eight months.
Okay, great. Middle of December.
Look at the transcript. Tank said, yeah, I'll shave my head when we win.
When? You said when we win. All right, numbers.
Eight. Eighteen.
Twenty. Three.
Did you say 20? I said 20. I'll do 56.
Yeah, numbers. Eight.
18. 20.
Three. Did you say 20?

I said 20.

I'll do 56.

Yeah, you paused on it.

I don't know what was going on there.

Yeah, that's on me.

Have you ever gotten it?

No.

Do you want to switch?

I just said that.

No.

Oh, you did?

No?

You don't want to switch.

88.

21.

44.

Halfway there.

Damn.

Love you guys. I'm to say I say it anyway Today's my day to find you

Shine it away

I'm coming for your lover

Take on me

Take me on

I'll be on

And after I'm taking you

We'll be gone. And I'll take you.
I'll be gone. I'll be gone.
I'll be gone. I'll be gone.
I'll be gone. Save me.
It's no better to be safe than some. Save me.
It's no better to be safe than so. Take on me.
Take me on. I'll be on.
Good to do too Hard things that you say Yeah, he's a lot of

Just blame Good to do too. All the things that you say, get a little out of hope.
Just to play those words away. You're all the things I've got to remember.
You shine away. All the colors you do anyway.
You shine away. All the colors you do anyway.
Take on me. Take me up.
I'll be gone

In a day We'll be right back.