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We taped the show earlier today.

Speaker 1 And then I would say the biggest news that's ever happened in the history of this podcast taking place happened.

Speaker 1 And Joey Chestnut has been banned from the Nathan's hot dog eating competition on July 4th. And America is at its knees.
It's the end of it. It feels like the late stages of an empire.

Speaker 1 This is the sign. When people say that on the news, I was like, ah, nah, we're fine.
America's still fine. Today was the first day where I was like, we might be in some trouble.

Speaker 1 We used to be a country, a proper country, where men could gather around on the 4th of July and eat 70 hot dogs and have the whole world rejoice. It was a positive force for America.

Speaker 1 I love the 4th of July. I love the hot dog eating contest.
I haven't missed it.

Speaker 1 Going back to the Kobayashi years when it became an event and now Major League Eating, I don't know which side to take here. Am I taking Joey's side?

Speaker 1 I want to take Joey's side because I like Joey Chestnut and he is a goddamn American hero.

Speaker 1 But Major League Eating is saying that he was doing a sponsorship deal with Impossible Meats, which is that's a little weird to begin with for Joey to be doing that sponsorship, but they're paying him.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to judge him for taking the bag.

Speaker 1 And there was a sponsorship that conflicted with the Nathan's hot dog eating. Some people were saying he was going to try to eat vegan hot dogs.
I know Joey Chestnut pretty well. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 And I'm sure that Joey would not want any sort of competitive imbalance that would go along with eating a vegan hot dog.

Speaker 1 So I saw that rumor going around. If Joey Chestnut tried to eat the vegan hot dogs on the 4th of July, I would 100% be on the side of Major League Eating.

Speaker 1 Don't ever let him eat another hot dog again in his life. I don't think that ever was on the table.
I also, I don't know about impossible meats.

Speaker 1 Are there bugs in the hot dogs? Because I will not eat the bugs. So I want to make sure that I have all my facts right before I take a stand here.
I will not eat the bugs.

Speaker 1 I don't know if there's bugs. I don't think that there's bugs in them.

Speaker 1 To my knowledge, it's just, it's fake meat. It's like soy.
I will not eat the bugs. Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 One, Joey Chestnut not being there means that like 4th of July is basically canceled. Now, people who are arguing he should never do an impossible meats

Speaker 1 brand sponsorship, I understand. I felt a little betrayed as well.

Speaker 1 But at the end of the day, Joey Chestnut is like at the top of the list of guys that I root for to be really rich because he's a legend. He's an American hero.

Speaker 1 He's one of the greatest athletes I've ever seen in my entire life.

Speaker 1 I thank my lucky stars that I was put on this earth at the same time as Joey Chestnut.

Speaker 1 Joey Chestnut's not rich as far as I can tell because the dude is still like going to Schenectady, New York in the middle of May to down 100 oysters for five grand.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm pretty sure that he just needs the sponsorships he gets.

Speaker 1 So, I'm hoping it's like a live situation where Joey Chestnut is just getting the bag from Impossible Meets, and I tip my cap to them because I'll never, ever pocket watch or judge someone who's going to get their money.

Speaker 1 I'm just really sad overall. Like, overall, the whole situation has saddened me and

Speaker 1 shook me way more than I thought it would. I was thinking about this from the moment it was announced, because then I got on my flight, until until we were able to talk about it here.

Speaker 1 It's been just rattling my whole like my wife was like, What's wrong? I was just like, I don't want to talk about it right now. Joey Chestnut's not going to compete in the Fourth of July.

Speaker 1 I was, I was that upset. Yeah, I'm fine with Joey getting paid, get paid by any means necessary.

Speaker 1 I can't, I can't imagine that the uh the career span of a competitive eater goes into your like 50s and 60s. I feel like it's a young man's game, so get the bag when you can.

Speaker 1 He's he's also the best to ever do something that everybody that has ever lived does. Yes.
We've all eaten. Every person here, everybody eats.

Speaker 1 Joey Chestnut is the best person, the best eater of all time in the history of the world. He needs to be rich for that fact.
So get the bag. I don't know if it's a live situation.

Speaker 1 There are some similarities there like Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and PETA, handshake, don't eat pork. I get that.
But I don't think that there is a

Speaker 1 I don't think that there's like a

Speaker 1 competitive league that's forming that's trying to draw players away I think if anything and our friend TJ pointed this out TJ Hitchens

Speaker 1 he might be putting us all over this might be a work yeah that's why I want to talk to Joey about it because Impossible meets does some sort of co-branding with Nathan's so there's already a business relationship there I don't know if if this is him turning heel And then he's going to come back like stone cold.

Speaker 1 I don't know what's going to happen, but I do know that my 4th of July is going to be significantly worse. And I know people want to take, Hank, I'll get to you in a sec.

Speaker 1 I know people want to take stands, and I understand that.

Speaker 1 And I get it because my initial reaction was like, how could they ban him? And then when I realized it was impossible burgers and there could potentially be bugs at stake here,

Speaker 1 that's not American. Like eating bug burgers, eating bug dogs on 4th of July is not American, which I'm upset that Joey took that type of money.

Speaker 1 But at the end of the day, I think this whole story has just bummed me out more than anything.

Speaker 1 It's like one of those ones where I'm just sad about how everything, why can't we get to the table and figure out why can't America and Joey Chestnut shake hands on July 4th? Like, this is

Speaker 1 putting the world to pick a side between Joey Chestnut and the country we love. It's impossible.
No pun intended. Well, because Joey is...

Speaker 1 a very unique creation of the country that we love. Joey Chestnut would not exist in any other country.

Speaker 1 But because of the good old USA and the stars and stripes, we have the best person to ever eat food that lives within our borders. And we all get to watch them and root for them on TV.

Speaker 1 And it is, it's actually sad because this is an example of human greatness that we're all going to miss out on the 4th of July because of some sort of business dispute.

Speaker 1 And so we're really the losers here. And I'm hoping we can get Joey on the show at some point in the next week or so.

Speaker 1 I would love to maybe figure out a way to see how many Barstool employees Joey thinks he could challenge on the 4th of July.

Speaker 1 That's pretty fun. Well, or Kobayashi, but like, Joey, what's the number of people you think that you could beat on the 4th of July? And he just took on like 15 of us.

Speaker 1 Kobayashi did retire from eating. He did.

Speaker 1 But you can always, there's, if we've learned anything, everyone's got a price.

Speaker 1 What happened?

Speaker 1 I mean, we can cut it, big cat.

Speaker 1 We were talking to them last year. Like, we had doing their return match.
I know, but Kobayashi retired since then. Oh, he retired again? I think he retired again.

Speaker 1 We were talking about we were going to do a rough and rowdy Joey Chestnut Kobayashi

Speaker 1 mashup where it would be like in between fight 10 and 11, they come out and eat a shitload of dogs, and then we go right back to fighting.

Speaker 1 It would have been incredible.

Speaker 1 We discussed that with Joey when he was on the podcast. Yeah.
Yeah. No, then there was serious, there was serious negotiations

Speaker 1 for months, then it went nowhere, but it was like, it was happening. Yeah, I'm just sad.

Speaker 1 I also, I love whenever a story like this happens where, like, from the outside, people will be like, are you guys really leading the podcast with hot dog eating? Like, losers? No, we're not losers.

Speaker 1 And I'll show you how serious this is.

Speaker 1 In the press release for Major League Eating, Major League Eating said in a statement, for nearly two two decades, we have worked under the same basic hot dog exclusivity provisions.

Speaker 1 I love that there were hot dog exclusivity provisions. I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then Joey issued a statement four hours ago.

Speaker 1 Joey posted this online. I was gutted to learn from the media that after 19 years, I'm banned from the Nathan's July 4th hot dog eating contest.
I love competing in that event.

Speaker 1 I love celebrating America with my fans all over this great country on the 4th. I've been training to defend my title.
First of all, kind of a rat move that he learned about this from the media.

Speaker 1 He found out the same way we all found out.

Speaker 1 He goes on, he says, to set the record straight, I do not have a contract with MLE or Nathan's, and they are looking to change the rules from past years as it relates to other partners I could work with.

Speaker 1 This is apparently the basis on which I'm being banned, and it doesn't impact the July 4th event.

Speaker 1 Sadly, this is the decision Nathan's and Major League Eating are making, and it will deprive the great fans of the holiday's usual joy and entertainment. To my fans, I love you and I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 Rest assured that you'll see me eat again soon. Stay hungry.

Speaker 1 It's, I feel like John Madden died all over again. That's how I feel right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a deductive sadness. I'm grieving.
I actually have had a,

Speaker 1 I don't know what to say. I just, you can't have this, you can't have Fourth of July without Joey Chestnut.

Speaker 1 So we'll try our best to figure out a way to get Joey Chestnut into the Fourth of July, whether it's through Nathan's or not. But I don't know how

Speaker 1 we can't, I guess this is like,

Speaker 1 now I understand why countries go to war. Like, how can you not, we're sitting back and being like, how can Major League Eating and Joey Chestnut not sit down and figure this whole thing out?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they should be vegan dogs. They should be bugged dogs.
So what is the core issue here? Are they afraid that Joey's going to show up wearing an impossible hot dogs hat?

Speaker 1 No, I think he just, I think they said that it would be like if MJ was like, oh, now I'm wearing Adidas, but I don't know. It's not, he was going to compete in Nathan's.

Speaker 1 He wasn't going to talk about impossible burgers. He was just doing that on the outside, on the outside of the 4th of July, which I think he should be allowed to do.

Speaker 1 I think he should be allowed to get. I wish he didn't do the bug dogs, but I think he should be allowed to get his money.
I think they're soy boys.

Speaker 1 I don't think that there's any insects in those dogs. Okay, well, I'm not going to eat the bugs.
I just want that very clear. How rich? I was rich.
I think Joey Chestnut

Speaker 1 shot at. What? How rich do you think Joey Chestnut should be in your estimate? Like, if we're up to you.
Billionaire.

Speaker 1 I'm being honest. Joey Chestnut, what is Joey Chestnut? What does Jeff Bezos do better than Joey Chestnut?

Speaker 1 Not a lot. What does Elon Musk do better than Joey Chestnut? Like, I want Joey Chestnut to be so rich that he can do whatever he wants.

Speaker 1 And then every 4th of July, he just comes in in his helicopter, maybe even in like an Inspector Gadget suit, just fucking swoops in, eats his 74 hot dogs, wows the crowd, and then swoops out, and he just goes back to his awesome life.

Speaker 1 That's what he deserves. The amount that he trains is crazy, too.
Like, he is literally an athlete. He is as good at his sport as anybody has ever been at their sport.
He is

Speaker 1 Jesse Owens, Michael Jordan,

Speaker 1 Shohei Otani, Secretary of Minus the Steroids, Secretariat's Heart,

Speaker 1 all rolled into one. That's what Joey is.
How rich do you think he should be, Hank?

Speaker 1 No, I was just curious. You brought that up a couple of times, but it's one event a year.
I don't know how, like,

Speaker 1 it's not one event a year. But it, but, it, but it, but that my point is, like,

Speaker 1 a year. He should, he has one event a year.
He should be able to go get his money outside of that.

Speaker 1 Because the other, the oyster eating competition isn't paying. He goes and eats, like,

Speaker 1 you know, you see him and he's, he's in, he's in Bakersfield, California, eating cake-flavored tampons for seven grand. It's like the guy deserves more than that.

Speaker 1 He deserves more. Hank, by the way, I thought you had a flight tonight.
Why are you at home? I did have a flight tonight,

Speaker 1 but I'm back in Chicago, and I'm feeling it.

Speaker 1 What happened? Nice drop there. What happened?

Speaker 1 I was going to save it for Firefest because it just, you know, they talk about golf, like, don't compound mistakes, you know, don't let one bad shot become two bad shots, etc., etc.

Speaker 1 Um,

Speaker 1 my real life version of that was at the end of my last trip, which was a couple months ago, my suitcase I realized broke like when I put it down the handle and I couldn't pull it up.

Speaker 1 And I had to fucking like push my suitcase,

Speaker 1 like basically lean down and push it and roll it in the airport all the way to my car, which was a brutal experience.

Speaker 1 Completely forgot about it.

Speaker 1 And then today I packed up my suitcase. I'm waiting for my elevator.
I go to pull up the handle. It's broken.
And I started like jamming the suitcase trying to open it.

Speaker 1 I put my backpack down, really fucking got in there and started jamming it. Finally opened it, get on the elevator, get in the Uber, sit in the Uber for like an hour and 10 minutes because of traffic.

Speaker 1 Get out. Gives me my suitcase.
suitcase i walk inside i'm like oh

Speaker 1 realize i forgot my backpack run out like hope i can catch my uber catch him i'm like oh i left my backpack he's like no you didn't i was like i just opened the back

Speaker 1 not in there not in the back left it at my house and it had it had all this shit i needed like i was debating whether or not i could just not have anything my backpack but it had my laptop my mic a bunch of the a bunch of shirts I needed like it had a bunch of stuff that I needed so then I had to marijuana.

Speaker 1 Turner. No, no, no, no, marijuana.
Don't travel with me. Your gun.

Speaker 1 My gun.

Speaker 1 Your full tool set that you turned around.

Speaker 1 It was more my laptop and mic.

Speaker 1 Wait, this is so much worse than I thought. You had your backpack on and you put it down

Speaker 1 because my suitcase was broken.

Speaker 1 They walked out without your backpack. Yeah, because I was like, I was doing it as my elevator was coming up.

Speaker 1 so like i finally opened it as my elevator got up and i just like i just got right on and then it was an hour and a half to get back so i just went to uh rosemont illinois got my haircut and about some old woman did it in like 10 minutes

Speaker 1 ate a depressing subway

Speaker 1 so you did compound a mistake with a mistake Well, I was like, I'm not going to sit and travel. I just sat in track for an hour and a half.
I don't want to sit in travel for two hours now.

Speaker 1 Like, I need to just like,

Speaker 1 I need to go eat. And, and I needed to get a haircut, which I was was going to do tomorrow, which then I obviously don't have time to do tomorrow.

Speaker 1 So I was like, I need to get a haircut somewhere. And I just found the closest place.

Speaker 1 So yeah, I'm home.

Speaker 1 And I missed off all. Are you flying out tomorrow? I'm flying out first thing in the morning.
Oh, my God. Set your alarm.
Well, I know.

Speaker 1 Hank, so you also had, so that's bad news.

Speaker 1 Also, you had bad news with the Celtics, which

Speaker 1 I don't, should should we have you read the injury? And then do you want an apology from Max? What do you want? Max famously on Sunday night said, oh, Chris Stopps is hurt again. Let's go.

Speaker 1 Context. I spent that whole Uber up there when I thought I had my backpack.
I'm thinking I'm just getting on the flight. I'm like, we're cursed.
We're cursed. We're cursed.
We're cursed.

Speaker 1 Like, is there a chance we're cursed? This is bad. I've never spent, there is nothing like being a sports fan and going across the various

Speaker 1 sports Twitter doctors and kind of choosing the one that you like that sounds the best because there was conflicting reports all over the place with like, oh, this is bad. He might never play again.

Speaker 1 Oh, you know, they can tape it up and he can be fine. I don't know what to believe.
He's listed as questionable for game three. And it's like, I think Max cursed us.
Wait, so what?

Speaker 1 Read the read the injury report, Hank.

Speaker 1 This is just trying to make me sound dumb. No, no i just want you to read the injury report and i want max to apologize to you max are you getting a lot of this is shams too so who knows uh

Speaker 1 celtex cristaps porzingus suffered a torn medial retinaculum allowing dislocation of the posterior tabialis tendon

Speaker 1 that's pretty good yeah i i read this I don't know if he has a sprained ankle or he's never going to walk again. All right, so I I got a report.

Speaker 1 It's been like 12 people in the last 150 years to get this injury. Yeah, it's not good.
It's not good when the Twitter doctors are putting like parentheses very rare on the injury report.

Speaker 1 And when there's parts of the body that you didn't even know existed, not usually good.

Speaker 1 Our friend Sam Decker said, I didn't even know you could tear the whatever. Say it again, Hank.

Speaker 1 Torn medial

Speaker 1 retinaculum. Yeah, he said, I didn't even know you could tear that.
Retinaculum.

Speaker 1 So I reached out directly to Pro Football Doc because I wanted to get the report to pass the news along to Max because Max really wanted an update on this. He said, Porzingis, no bueno.

Speaker 1 You can quote me on this, is what he said. No bueno out for finals.
Not exactly, but the comparison is Kurt Schilling.

Speaker 1 That's a good, that's good. Kurt Schilling won World Series that year.
Yeah, and he won the game.

Speaker 1 I have a doctor, shout out Dr. Dan,

Speaker 1 who told me that the closest thing that he could find

Speaker 1 that is a little more common was when Von Miller dislocated his pereonial tendons on the other side of your ankle in training camp in 2020. He missed the entire season.
But that's how rare it is.

Speaker 1 The rest of the game, though.

Speaker 1 That's how rare it is that he was like, the closest thing you could comp is someone in football tearing the other side of their ankle, which is kind of similar, but not really similar, because no one ever has done this.

Speaker 1 So, what do you think, Hank?

Speaker 1 I literally don't know what to think. They already did the injury report for tomorrow.
He's listed as questionable.

Speaker 1 My gut tells me he's not going to play tomorrow, and then maybe depending what happens tomorrow, like

Speaker 1 I don't know. It seems he said after game two that he would die on the floor.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 basically, the only way he's not going to play is if the Celtics medical staff

Speaker 1 literally refuse to allow it. I tried to get some intel on like if our medical staff are dogs or not.

Speaker 1 How seriously do you take that Hippocratic oath?

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, like,

Speaker 1 are, are, yeah, like, are they dogs? Like, are they just going to be like, let's fucking go win a championship? Are they going to just like, you know, the book says sit?

Speaker 1 But he looked like he couldn't move after he heard it.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 Like, we watched it and we're like, this looks weird. He's not moving well.
And it's such a rare injury. I don't know if there's a book on this injury.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Like, it would be such a rare blackjack hand that there's no book on it. But he's walking around fine.
He's doesn't have a brace on. Like, tape exists.

Speaker 1 They got shit for that. Like,

Speaker 1 that, you know, it's scary. I don't want to say.

Speaker 1 That I want him to risk never being able to play again.

Speaker 1 It's a good thing you didn't say that. But he said said he would die on the floor, and if he wants to play, he should be allowed to make that decision as an adult.

Speaker 1 I think you guys can win this series without him.

Speaker 1 I do too, but like, I don't like even,

Speaker 1 I just don't, I don't like it.

Speaker 1 With Porzingis, you guys have won 76% of your games. Without Porzingis, you've won 86%.

Speaker 1 No, other way around, you think, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. No.

Speaker 1 With Porzingis, 76%?

Speaker 1 They've won 76% of their games with Christoph's Porzingis. They've won 86% of their games without Porzingis.
Is that true? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're looking at the stat? I'm looking at the stat. That's the regular season and the playoffs this year.

Speaker 1 So there you go. You're fine.

Speaker 1 And Kurt Schilling. And Kurt Schilling.

Speaker 1 I think you're fine. Max, you,

Speaker 1 how's it going online for you? Because you wished this into existence. I did not wish this into existence.
You celebrated it.

Speaker 1 I did not celebrate the the injury. I celebrated the circumstance of the situation.
And why'd you go run up a fucking tree like a cat?

Speaker 1 I was scared and I was hiding because I didn't want to speak with you, Henry.

Speaker 1 That's why I tried to climb up on the roof, is because I was afraid, okay?

Speaker 1 I climbed up

Speaker 1 the ladder, and then I realized that. I just started crying because it was too high.

Speaker 1 I'm scared of ladders, okay?

Speaker 1 That's where you went. Wait, what did you say?

Speaker 1 You celebrated this.

Speaker 1 What was that? Circumstance.

Speaker 1 Not the injury. The circumstance of this situation? The circumstance of me forgetting to update the hurt or injured board, and it became relevant again when it would have been irrelevant.
Got it.

Speaker 1 But I didn't actually want him to get hurt. I just, I was like, oh, that's a discussion.
Because at the end of the game, no one really thought he was that hurt. Fact or fiction.
I thought he was.

Speaker 1 Henry, factor fiction.

Speaker 1 Fiction. If he like went down and like tore his foot into two, I wouldn't have said that.
But it was like, oh, yeah, he got a little dinged up. That's what he did.
You thought he was hurt, I guess.

Speaker 1 Or he was injured. Quite literally.
That's what you thought. Correct.
But we didn't know which.

Speaker 1 He celebrated the circumstance of the situation. If you want to put him in jail for that, put him in jail for that.
I think Max kind of, I kind of agree with him.

Speaker 1 I don't think that he celebrated the injury. I think he celebrated the hurt.

Speaker 1 But the question is,

Speaker 1 deep down, he celebrated the injury. No, Max just shook his head.
Max agreed. He said, yeah, he celebrated the hurt, and it turned into an injury.

Speaker 1 And then that explains Max's running away in shame, trying to climb up a tree to get away from Hank, is because he knew deep down that he might have had something to do with it. The optics are bad.

Speaker 1 The optics are bad.

Speaker 1 I'm willing to agree to that. The optics were you stuck in a tunnel on a ladder being like, help.

Speaker 1 well i knew i i knew that it it was going to look look that way but deep down that i know in my in my head that i was not truly celebrating his injury i was celebrating the circumstance that you're talking about sunday night but now you also know deep down in your head that you're happy that he's injured that's where like you and roan piss me off because you're both scumbags and you know you're scumbags and we know you're scumbags but when push comes a shop you're like no no, no, it's great.

Speaker 1 Well, let's see what, I mean, let's see what happens in game three.

Speaker 1 Okay. How's it? How's it online for you right now, Max? I don't give a shit.
I mean, Celtics fans are always going to be up my ass. I mean, it's Boston.

Speaker 1 Boston's a fucking trash ass town, trash-ass people, and can't fucking make flights. They get shitty haircuts.

Speaker 1 No, not the haircut.

Speaker 1 I take the haircut back. It actually looks pretty good.
You know it. Hank is thinking about it because he keeps looking and doing the move where he's just like,

Speaker 1 you can tell if you're watching this right now, Hank has checked himself out about 17 times.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's a big day tomorrow and I had to go to a fucking 50-year-old woman giving me a fade and I did it.

Speaker 1 Did you get your haircut to impress Tom?

Speaker 1 Duh. What? Duh.
Duh.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 talk to me about your decision making about where you got your haircut. You just picked a random stop and got off and then looked for a woman to cut your hair?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 also, my phone was dying. Um,

Speaker 1 you had like you're 30, you're about to be 31. I wasn't trying to compound a mistake with another mistake.

Speaker 1 You're gonna be 31 and two tomorrow, tomorrow, and tomorrow, uh, tomorrow, yeah, tomorrow eve, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, it all worked out. Um,

Speaker 1 it's all good, but yeah, I just googled haircuts nearby

Speaker 1 and I went to one

Speaker 1 that was close.

Speaker 1 I think your phone charged. It was a 50-year-old woman.
She cut my hair in 20 minutes, so my phone charged like 5%.

Speaker 1 I think it's all right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's fine. All right.

Speaker 1 Last thing. So, wait, Hank, are you

Speaker 1 think Chris Soph's not going to play tomorrow? Or today?

Speaker 1 My gut says no. Okay.
And Max,

Speaker 1 what kind of celebration do you have planned for when he doesn't play?

Speaker 1 Zero, I want him to play. And karma also may have already gotten me because I could have broken part of my hand and saw today.
Oh,

Speaker 1 wait, why would it be karma if you were just celebrating the circumstances of the situation? Well, the optics, the optics of the karma.

Speaker 1 Got it. Wait, but so wouldn't then the optics, wouldn't the karma retribution just be like a superficial injury, not an actual injury? Well, it could be.

Speaker 1 Like it hurts right now, but it might not be a real injury. Okay.

Speaker 1 So I think that if it's not a a real injury, look, yeah, then you actually are innocent, but if it's a real injury, then you're guilty.

Speaker 1 I'm willing to accept that. Okay.

Speaker 1 I had one last thing for us.

Speaker 1 I teased it to you guys on the text chain. Our guy, Pug.

Speaker 1 Our guy, Pug. Beast.

Speaker 1 Is he, though?

Speaker 1 I think so. Beast.

Speaker 1 He might be a pussy.

Speaker 1 This is my text exchange with Pug earlier earlier today.

Speaker 1 I was laughing so hard. Pug texts me.
So for context,

Speaker 1 I have season tickets to the Cubs who suck. Blew another game tonight.
They're fucking trash right now.

Speaker 1 Pug texted me at 2.40 today. He said,

Speaker 1 hey.

Speaker 1 Do you know of anywhere employees can get discounts on Cubs tickets?

Speaker 1 Was trying to hit a game this weekend. And I replied to the text that he asked.
And I said, I'm pretty sure I know GameTime has a code. We talk about the ad all the time.

Speaker 1 GameTime has great last-minute deals, zone deals, flash deals, get them all.

Speaker 1 And I said, you could also ask memes or Hank because Game Time, our wonderful sponsor, gives us a lotta amount of tickets

Speaker 1 every month.

Speaker 1 I said, you may be able to get free tickets with Game Time. And he said, will do.
Appreciate it. This is at 2.40.

Speaker 1 End of conversation.

Speaker 1 5:11 p.m., he texts me, my bad. I'm a giant pussy.
Are your tickets available this weekend?

Speaker 1 There's more to this story that you don't know about. What?

Speaker 1 What? What? Doug has been asking us about your tickets all week. And I have told him so many times.
Just ask. Just ask.
He has told us that if he's not, he's going on vacation.

Speaker 1 He's not going to be here. All you have to do is ask him if the tickets are available.
And he's like, yeah, but like, I don't know. Like, I don't want to make it look like that

Speaker 1 I needed tickets. Like, that's a bad look.
I'm like, dude, he literally tells us,

Speaker 1 ask if you want to go to the game. And he was like, well, I thought if I asked him this way, that maybe he would have just on his own just given me the tickets.

Speaker 1 So that's when he showed me what he sent to you. And Memes looks at him and goes, Type this word for word.
Say, I'm a pussy.

Speaker 1 Are your tickets available this weekend? Pug writes it out. He writes it out.
He then gives me the phone and then goes, you have to click send.

Speaker 1 Also, not to mention, he has two friends coming this weekend and you gave him two tickets and he's like,

Speaker 1 he's like, I don't really know what to do with the two tickets. Wait, so now you can't, because I sent them to you, Pug.
Did you get them? Yes, I sent you the Saturday tickets.

Speaker 1 So now what are you going to do?

Speaker 1 I have two tickets. He's like,

Speaker 1 I'll figure it out. I'll figure it out.
I'll be very positive of the tickets. How many tickets did you think I had? Oh, Pug.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I was just trying to put feelers out.
You're just trying to collect as many tickets as you can get.

Speaker 1 The initial text was like, I was just hoping deep down you'd say, like, oh, I have tickets. Yeah, you know what? I have three.
Here you go.

Speaker 1 Wait, but Pug, this is crazy because, like, I'm happy to give you tickets. Like, Max says, I tell you guys all the time, like, just ask, like, there's days that I am using them or

Speaker 1 or my friend who I colon with is using them. But, Pug,

Speaker 1 you now have two tickets that are, like, good tickets, and you have three people. What are you going to do?

Speaker 1 Are you going to sell my tickets?

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 I would never do that. It's like, I can get another ticket in that section and just try to get

Speaker 1 expensive, Pug. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or this is now a thing we can probably do a game time thing. Yeah, we can do a game time.
Pug, I'm going to give you right now. I'm going to tell you right now,

Speaker 1 you are free and clear to sell my tickets to buy three more tickets.

Speaker 1 Now I feel bad again. No, you don't feel.
I'm telling you, you're free and clear to do it. If you would like to do that, or I'll just buy you three tickets.

Speaker 1 Or just buy, sell, yeah, sell the three tickets and do it. What are you afraid of?

Speaker 1 Why were you scared to do that? I felt like it would be very like, I thought it'd be real, just be like, hey, you got tickets. Can I have them? Like, I just felt like that was.

Speaker 1 I actually can understand that. I can understand that.
It probably would have been better if you. I was just up to you.
Yeah, if you had just seen me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you'd seen me this morning, you were just like, hey, I got some buddies in town. Because then that actually would have been an easier conversation.
You're like, I have buddies in town.

Speaker 1 I'd be like, how many? You'd be like, two. I'd be like, well, I only have two tickets.
Yeah, I think that was the plan. And I just, the timeline never lined up.
I probably could have done it.

Speaker 1 It was all week. It was all week.

Speaker 1 He was terrified to have the conversation.

Speaker 1 It never lined up. And I just, it was a bad thing.
Pug, I offer the tickets all the time.

Speaker 1 I know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 You overflow

Speaker 1 so much.

Speaker 1 He thought that that didn't apply to him.

Speaker 1 Why? He was like, you think that applies to me too? I'm like, yes, you literally work for, like, you work directly for him. Like, you do.
I love you, Pug.

Speaker 1 It's not like a random intern going through the office being like, hey, big cat, can I have your Cubs tickets? You see him every single day and you work directly for him. We pug.

Speaker 1 I mean, we now have to figure out this ticket situation because you have two tickets and three people, and they're in a nice section, so it's like you can't, I'll buy you another seat.

Speaker 1 It's also Cubs Cardinals.

Speaker 1 I'm appreciative of that. The Saturday Cubs Cardinals game is a very expensive ticket.

Speaker 1 I'm a pussy.

Speaker 1 I love you, Pug.

Speaker 1 You guys believe this? No. You just should have just asked.
I believe it, but I.

Speaker 1 Everyone here has asked for tickets except Pug.

Speaker 1 Just been like, hey, can I use the tickets? I'm like, yeah, no problem.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a learning lesson. Next time, I'm just going

Speaker 1 direct to you.

Speaker 1 Next time I want you to come up to me and say, hey, fuck face, give me your tickets. I'll respect that.
We'll do. We'll do.

Speaker 1 Also, this whole show, while you guys are doing the rest of the show and we were on mute, Pug would just look over at me. He's like, this is going to be bad.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's not bad. It's just funny.

Speaker 1 to get a text from him being like, hey, I'm a pussy. I actually was wondering if I could have your tickets.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I overthought it. Oh, Pug, I love you.
All right, I'm going to go on game time.

Speaker 1 I need you to just be brutally honest from now on because I feel like you're holding back on us. All right, that's fine.
What if Pug is holding back on us and he's just a fucking monster?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's just a real asshole. This could be his, his jokerification.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He just starts shoving us around.

Speaker 1 Just being like, listen, assholes, I'm Pug.

Speaker 1 Get the fuck out of my way. Fuck you guys, actually.
Pug. Yeah, there you go, Pug.

Speaker 1 All right, Pug, I'm going to buy you another seat.

Speaker 1 Game time. Shout out Game Time.
We're going to buy you a seat, and we'll get all three boys in there.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 1 Pug.

Speaker 1 Okay, I think let's kick it to ourselves. We got Dan Hurley talk.
We got Michael Collins. We got Kevin Love.
We got pardon your take.

Speaker 1 Contentious pardon your take. So let's kick it back to ourselves in studio.
Today is Wednesday, June 12th, and Dan Hurley is staying in Stores, Connecticut. All is right with the world.

Speaker 1 Great job by Dan Hurley getting paid so much money. Yes.
They're upping his contract right now. Smart move on his part, not signing a contract after Kentucky.
Yep. Waiting.
So they're retooling.

Speaker 1 He turned down the offer from Los Angeles. I don't know if he ever really wanted the job.
I feel like he might have just played this perfectly, used the job to get more money, stay at home.

Speaker 1 Dan Hurley might be

Speaker 1 the so back-to-back national titles, obviously the new face of college basketball coaching, and then to turn down Kentucky and the Lakers in the same

Speaker 1 three-month span.

Speaker 1 That's a historic run. It's great.

Speaker 1 That's a historic run to turn down those two entities in that amount of time for that much much money.

Speaker 1 He's just flexing on everyone, and it might just simply be that his wife does not want to leave the Northeast. Yeah, she's a ride or die.

Speaker 1 She's like, Los Angeles, Dan, you know, you can't even get a good cup of piss out there. Yeah.
You're not going to be able to find your drinks. You're not going to have fun.

Speaker 1 The weather's going to be too nice. His vibe is just Northeast, bad weather, a little bit pissed off all the time.
I would not like to see him in L.A. I think he fits in Connecticut.

Speaker 1 Sometimes the grass isn't always greener. And now LeBron back to the drawing board.
I was saying it's a bad look for podcasters getting turned down by Dan Hurley, your guy that you wanted.

Speaker 1 LeBron does kind of get like, the Lakers get embarrassed here a little bit.

Speaker 1 This is,

Speaker 1 Coach K did it 20 years ago, but you don't turn down the Lakers.

Speaker 1 Are the Lakers in trouble? The Lakers might be in trouble. Oh, they're getting Brawny.
I also always say it's actually the headline. Yeah, but Bronny's not going to be able to be developed.

Speaker 1 I think J.J. Raddick's going to be able to develop Bronny.
Someone needs to develop this boy. They need to get him.
They need to get their hands on him and figure out how to develop him.

Speaker 1 They need to hire a special coach just for Bronny. Just for development.
Tom Creen. Coach K.
Yeah. He's already in the building.
Tom Creen did a great job, Anthony Edwards. Yeah.
Just get him.

Speaker 1 Just have him hang out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's actually the headline right now on ESPN. It says Lakers are embarrassed now, but can they recover after Hurley's rejection? And it just bears repeating, but Rob Polinket just is Rob Lowe.

Speaker 1 It's every single time I see a picture. Yeah, looks like Rob Lowe.
Just like him. I don't understand that those aren't the same guy.

Speaker 1 They have the show about the clippers like they got to do they did the you know the showtime lakers they have to be doing something with rob low as palenca at some what would they do just punked fab five

Speaker 1 he was on the fab five team but he was yeah but he wasn't around for kobe and shaq yeah actually the bubble you know it would it would rub the most boring series ever yeah the bubble series that'd be that'd be trash even any movie that comes out that even mentions covid i'm like nope don't want to see it don't want to relive that in my brain yeah it'd be very funny if they did an episode of Punked and it was Rob Lowe playing Rob Palenka and he's interviewing J.J.

Speaker 1 Reddick being like, hey, you want the Lakers job? And then JJ's like, yes. And Rob Lowe's like, you've been punked.
I like that. I'm not actually the guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we got you. We got you.
We got you. But also, you're going to get hired because we don't have any other options.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but still, this was our idea for punked, but now it turns out that nobody else can coach this team. It's a big day for they're supposed to be the Lakers guys.

Speaker 1 You're supposed to be the Lakers. Right.
You're supposed to get any coach you you want, any free agent you want. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You should be able to just essentially, I mean, it's the Lakers and the Yankees. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Every player, coach, successful person is just a future Laker or Yankee. They don't know it yet.

Speaker 1 If the Lakers or Yankees decide it, then it is done. You will be mine one day.
Yeah, right. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 You don't have a say in it. It's not non-consensual.

Speaker 1 And now Dan Hurley has bucked the trend and

Speaker 1 he's having a hell of a run. And did you see also, he is getting free wings for life from Jay Timothy's Tavern somewhere in Connecticut.
They offered free wings for life if he stays. That's great.

Speaker 1 That's a great deal.

Speaker 1 You don't even need to do the contract anymore. It would be funny if he just stopped coaching and just got fat and just ate free wings every single day.
That's my job.

Speaker 1 If anybody offers me free wings for life, I might just quit. I might retire.
You don't have to worry about buying food anymore. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Major expense. Free wings for life.
Yeah, that's the best retirement plan.

Speaker 1 So I'm happy for college basketball, though. This is good for college basketball.
This is good for having

Speaker 1 the hard-nosed old-school throwback coach. One person in this room, though, really sucks for.

Speaker 1 And that would be our guy Maxwell. Well, he's not in this room.
Yeah, I guess he's not in this room.

Speaker 1 I knew he wasn't leaving. You knew it?

Speaker 1 I never got my hopes up for him to leave once. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Even when he took, even I was on the golf course yesterday, and I was told that, and I was like, yep, that's fine.

Speaker 1 I knew he was staying. There's no chance that he was leaving.
You were golfing yesterday? Yep. On a work day? Yep.
Billy Killer. Still can't believe it, by the way.

Speaker 1 You either die a Max or you live long enough to become a Hank. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, you've now become a Hank.
I'm Hank.

Speaker 1 Do you have a good day? Great day. Great Monday.
I had a question, too.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I agree with you that you

Speaker 1 never fully believed it. You were kind of consistent with that.
You're like, he's going to stay.

Speaker 1 I don't want to get my hopes up. I did see, though, when it all went down yesterday,

Speaker 1 Alex Caraban, who's going to the NBA, tweeted about Dan Hurley coming back to Yukon. Why would he care? He's in the NBA, Max.
Well, yeah, he came back. What? No, you told me he was going to the NBA.

Speaker 1 No, you told us. He was going to the NBA.
No, you told us. And he came back.

Speaker 1 You actually sent us the tweet that's saying he was testing the waters for the NBA, and you said Max was right looking for Chris. Max was wrong.
There you go. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 And I said, while maintaining his college eligibility, and you said, no, he's gone. You can't write a letter like he wrote and come back.
But he's back. Whatever.

Speaker 1 So I guess congrats to UConn on winning another championship. Probably.
Waltzing through the Big East. It is.
I mean, to go three in a row would be, hasn't been done since John Wooden.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it would never be done again. It'd be incredible, especially in this era.
Yeah. Okay, so, yeah, you guys, that sucks for you, Max, even though you never got your hopes up.

Speaker 1 It also sucks for Billy. We can't really trust him as a reporter anymore.
Well,

Speaker 1 I'm not ready to write Billy's report off just yet. Okay.
Because Billy told us that, well, he told the world that Dan Hurley was going to go to the Lakers.

Speaker 1 He confirmed that by getting shushed by Dan Hurley's son. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then when the report came out that he was staying, Big Cat, you hit up Billy pretty much right away and just asked him, hey, what's going on with this report, Billy?

Speaker 1 We thought that we could trust you on this one. And Billy said, I need to talk to Andrew.
I need to make sure that this is actually official, official. It could still happen.

Speaker 1 So we don't know. We don't know if Dan Hurley's staying at at UConn per Billy.
Billy has to talk to Andrew and see if he gets shushed again. Yeah, yeah.
So

Speaker 1 he said, I don't believe it. The son was nodding his head while shushing.

Speaker 1 They were having mimosas. Yeah.
They said, if you drink a mimosa at 10 a.m., that's a man who doesn't have a hard decision to make. Billy also said.
Right, but wouldn't that

Speaker 1 staying in Yukon was the not hard decision? Is that also true?

Speaker 1 You know what it sounds like to me? Mimosas can be like a great time or the worst time ever. You need a mimosa.
Yeah. There's no.
True. Someone drinking a mimosa could be in any state of mind.

Speaker 1 I think it's pretty obvious what happened. Dan Hurley, drinking a mimosa probably the morning of his interview.

Speaker 1 He just got a great vacation with his family from Los Angeles, and he was like, oh, fuck it. I'm going to hit the bottomless mimosa bar before this interview with the Lakers.

Speaker 1 I don't give a shit if they offer me the job. Let's have a good time.
You're getting paid more regardless. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's the mimosa? Mimosa's champagne and orange juice? Champagne and orange juice. Yeah.
Not a mimosa guy. Screwdriver.
Screwdriver over all the Bloody Mary, mimosa, all that shit.

Speaker 1 Let me put you on some game, big cat. Yeah.
Do a screwdriver with some champagne in it. No, I don't like champagne.
That's the whole reason I don't like mimosa.

Speaker 1 The bubbles are good. I don't like champagne.

Speaker 1 But a little taste. You know what's good? No, I'm telling you, I do not like champagne.
Not a little taste. Okay.

Speaker 1 Watermelon mimosa are pretty good, too. Oh, that sounds good.
Yeah, so

Speaker 1 what about a watermelon screwdriver? Yeah, you can do that. Okay.
And then add some champagne, too. No, I don't like the champagne.
You know, there's yellow watermelons, PFT? Yes. Yellow watermelons?

Speaker 1 Not for me. We had that on the golf course yesterday.
Not for me. It was a little weird.
Hank also, when we got there, because we were doing, for Paj Chicago, we were doing their golf outing.

Speaker 1 I wasn't golfing because I had to work, but I went. for the first hour or so.
And we represented in your... Hank showed up an hour late

Speaker 1 and then was like, where the hell's the food?

Speaker 1 And it looked like he was the Pied Piper. There was about 10 of us following him around the entire private club while he was looking for the food.
He's like, where are the food? You got burgers?

Speaker 1 You got hot. He's yelling at random people.
And then he found it. Tea time was at 11.30.
Big Cat told everyone to get there. No, whoa, whoa,

Speaker 1 I did not say anything.

Speaker 1 I followed directions. It could have been 9.30.
We had two and a half hours. I followed directions.
Did you get food? I followed directions. Yeah, we had lunch.

Speaker 1 We hit the range for an hour. Like, we had all the time in the world.
Great spread. But you got food.
Got food. Okay, that's good.

Speaker 1 We were the first ones to eat.

Speaker 1 And the first on the ring. We should tell people, just in case there might be some people listening, like, hey, maybe this show is a little bit different right now.

Speaker 1 You might notice a change in our voice or it takes. It is 9.41 on Tuesday morning, which is early.

Speaker 1 Hank, does your brain work this early? Are you fully awake yet? No. I already worked out this morning.
Oh, shit. Did you eat? I haven't ate.
Oh, God. You got to eat.
I know.

Speaker 1 It's Taco Tuesday down the street. Damn.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I'm going on a mini three-day vacation. So we'll

Speaker 1 zoom show on Thursday, although we've already done the interview.

Speaker 1 Appreciate the boys letting me do a Zoom show. You know what it was?

Speaker 1 I was trying to remember why I'm going away today, and then it dawned on me that it's because my kids are out of school, but their camp hasn't started yet. So my wife was like, we're doing something.

Speaker 1 I'm not dealing with this while you go to work. I was like, that's fair.
Yeah. It's completely fair.
Yeah, you forget that kids get out of school, and then that's like the worst time for parents.

Speaker 1 When you're a kid,

Speaker 1 summer vacation was the best. It just flexed.
They're They're just like, I don't got school today. What would happen if you just let them stay at home? Like, okay,

Speaker 1 don't break anything. By themselves? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Very big problem. If you came home

Speaker 1 three hours, let them at home for three hours.

Speaker 1 I mean, they probably would just be crying at the door being like, we got scared. Where'd you go? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got to learn something.

Speaker 1 A five and a three-year-old, they play well together, but

Speaker 1 it's just pre-fighting. When they're playing well together, it's pre-fight.
Yeah. It's a pre-fight dance.
It always leads to a fight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But wait, what were we talking about with the Billy? Oh, Billy, yeah. So Billy's report, he saw him drinking mimosas.
To me, that screams, guy that's on free vacation,

Speaker 1 doesn't care about interview. Yeah, he basically said,

Speaker 1 I'm going to take the visit so I can get the steak

Speaker 1 and get to see the facilities. We all like that.
And then I'm done. We like being mimosa and dined.
Correct. Everybody likes that.
Billy said,

Speaker 1 to Big Cat's question, so we think maybe still Lakers.

Speaker 1 Billy said, yeah, to be honest, I know what I saw. I think him staying is BS, or they were straight up clowning me.
So Billy's essentially saying, I don't agree. I hear that you're staying at UConn.

Speaker 1 I don't agree with you. Yes, I don't agree that Dan Hurley is staying at UConn, even though the report's out there.
It could happen. I'm just saying it hasn't been confirmed yet by Billy.

Speaker 1 I don't agree with your decision.

Speaker 1 My interpretation is correct. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Billy got shushed. You're true triggering a mimosa.

Speaker 1 You must be going. Turns out getting shushed is not confirmation of your report.
It's so odd we didn't report it because he told us not to. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Turns out a Saturday morning with your family in Venice Beach, you're probably going to be drinking, or Santa Monica, you're probably going to be having a mimosa.

Speaker 1 That's like one of the top mimosa spots in the world. It's wonderful for mimosas.
And we don't know. Billy might have been having mimosas, too.
He probably had a lot of mimosas.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that was a big news story. Then we obviously had the Panthers up 2-0

Speaker 1 on the Oilers.

Speaker 1 We have the Panthers are just a hockey machine. Their defense is so good.
Just strangles the Oilers to death. They played like great, great team defense, and now the Oilers are in a must-win.

Speaker 1 I think they're a must-win game three, can't lose game four.

Speaker 1 I think they're all must-wins. Okay.

Speaker 1 I think that the Panthers, they have so many ways to beat you. It got a little chippy, which I think could be good for the Oilers.
Oh, I think it was desperate by the way.

Speaker 1 It was like, we're going to play

Speaker 1 your style. And the Panthers are like, okay, fine.
Go ahead, play our style. We'll still beat you.
The nutshot at the end was,

Speaker 1 that was desperation right there. That was frustration.
But it got a little chippy. There were some elbows to jaws.

Speaker 1 The leg hit on Luc Doreen. Yeah.
And that was bad. That was pretty dirty.

Speaker 1 Probably deserving. So I saw some people saying, like, the league's getting soft for giving gay misconduct for that.
To me, even as a casual, I was like, yeah, you can't do that in a hockey game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Try to take his knee out.

Speaker 1 The Panthers, they are a wagon. I feel like the Oilers are going to win game three at home, though.
They need the tits. They need the tits.
They need the tits.

Speaker 1 Because the Panthers have the little kid.

Speaker 1 The little kid behind the glass flexing

Speaker 1 Baby Gronk's cousin. Is that really Baby Gronk's cousin? Sure.
Feels like it.

Speaker 1 At some point, we're all related. Yeah, that's true.
Going way back. Pangea.

Speaker 1 The Panthers do look like a machine. They're a machine.

Speaker 1 They have an answer for everybody except for McDavid, who sometimes looks like he has to do it all himself when he's doing his little like back and forth spins, getting the entire defense to chase him and then finding a guy in front of the net who misses a shot.

Speaker 1 I was thinking about this last night. If you're McDavid and you're so good at hockey, do you get frustrated with your teammates for not being as good as you? Definitely.
I think you would, right?

Speaker 1 Definitely. I played with a couple guys like that back in the day that just they were so mad at the rest of their team.
Like, why can't you just do the things that I do? Right.

Speaker 1 And you're just, everyone's

Speaker 1 when he's moving the way he moves and you make a perfect pass and,

Speaker 1 you know, someone's not able to bury it, that would be frustrating. It would be.
Like, just be me. Just be as good as me.

Speaker 1 Why can't you be like me? It's not that hard to do. I do it every day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, be brilliant with this.

Speaker 1 They did get a goal on Bob, though. They got one goal.
They kind of shot it through him. Yeah.
Bob saved it, and then the puck just kind of made its way through his body somehow.

Speaker 1 Bob's really good, too, at always getting his mask off or the goal

Speaker 1 comes off, and they have to stop the play.

Speaker 1 Anytime it feels like the Oilers have a little bit of momentum, which is a savvy move by Bob. It definitely is.
He tells his defense, like, just run into the goal, please. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Whitney and the Spit and Chicklets boys will be there on, what is it, Thursday night? Yeah, Thursday night. Thursday night.

Speaker 1 For the long travel. Yeah.
The pod is in the building. Pod is in the building.
Longest travel in the history of the Stanley Cup. I saw that.
Very cool. The poor journalists.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Think about the journalists. Imagine being a journalist.
Yeah, they get the extra day off, though. Yeah, but the flight is just insane.
You got to go through customs. And they got to go back.

Speaker 1 And you got to come back. Maybe.
And then come back again. Might not have to.
The Panthers keep playing the way they are. You get the mileage, though.

Speaker 1 The frequent flyers. Yeah, that's true.
But do you get to keep those? I think so. I don't know.
Sometimes companies don't do that. They just bow guard them for you.

Speaker 1 They'll book the flight themselves. Yeah, it is tough.
It is tough having to make all that travel. Meals in various hotels that you might not be familiar with.

Speaker 1 Maybe you get locked out of your hotel room twice. Yeah, it's tough.
Living on the road, hard work. Hard work.

Speaker 1 That's why they, and then they have to turn around and do the draft is coming up like right away after. That's brutal.
It's, I really feel bad for hockey journalists. Especially Charles Barkley.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Hockey journalist Charles Barkley. You could put him on any show.

Speaker 1 When they brought him out after the first period, I was just like, I hope that Charles Barkley does every hockey game. How many?

Speaker 1 I feel like he's going to come on this show next year because he's going to be so bored and like wants something to do. But how?

Speaker 1 Okay, so good point, Hank, because i or or good comment that i wanted to to just throw out there how many people do you think think that inside the nba is done forever right now a lot way too many a lot yeah the way they hank were you one of them no oh okay i was next year

Speaker 1 yeah i was a couple months ago the way they made this seem it i think there's going to be a lot of people like what they're they're back on tv yeah in the fall yeah they still have a whole other year magic johnson thought it was over Yeah.

Speaker 1 He tweeted out about it, and then he had to delete the tweet once people were like, hey, it's actually not over this season. Yeah.
It's next year.

Speaker 1 But you're going to see Charles Barkley and Shaq at a level of not giving a fuck that we didn't think was possible. Did you guys see the fan yelling at Charles Barkley?

Speaker 1 I really wish Charles Barkley had punched that. He should have punched him, yeah.
Yeah, because actually. He dropped an F-bomb on the Canadian broadcast.
Charles Barkley did. Yeah.
Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 Should he be in jail? No. Okay.
Just saying.

Speaker 1 Does FCC apply to different countries? I don't know. Yeah, I don't.
I think the FCC is in America. Yeah.
So he's good. You can say whatever you want on the Air in Canada.
Yeah. Literally anything.

Speaker 1 Don Cherry was on it for like 25 years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was a kid who's probably like 19 years old going up to Charles Barkley, like, you have no rings, you're a bum. And I got mad for Charles Barkley.

Speaker 1 Charles Barkley shouldn't have to deal with that. No.

Speaker 1 There's also an age

Speaker 1 if like a... A guy, a person that clearly watched it went up and kind of was ribbing him.

Speaker 1 But a kid who's like 18 years old, who just doesn't, you didn't even, you weren't even alive when Charles Barkley was playing, that would piss me off.

Speaker 1 It was funny when the kid went to the security guard afterwards and was like, That man doesn't have any rings. Yeah, you don't understand.
He doesn't have a ring.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Charles said, He's like, What if I just punched him? I wish he had. So, Charles, the kid doesn't know that Charles Barkley back in the day, he would throw guys like that through a window.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he actually did do that once. Yeah, he absolutely did.
He should be allowed to do it again. Yeah, um, okay, what else?

Speaker 1 Anything else before we do hot seat, cool, thrown, and then we get some interviews? Uh,

Speaker 1 Did you see, I saw that there, I think someone in the House, what is it, Congress, were petitioning to have Caitlin Clark on the U.S. Olympic team.
That's, yeah, good use of time. Okay.

Speaker 1 I think it was a representative from Indiana. That one I saw, I was just like, fuck this.
Oh, no, the guy from Indiana, he issued some sort of statement.

Speaker 1 He wrote a letter, I think, to the WNBA asking to protect Caitlin Clark more. It's crazy.
Crazy.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think, is there anything else that we got to talk about before Hot C Cool Terrone?

Speaker 1 I just want to say that the United States men's national team should fire Greg Berthalter on the record.

Speaker 1 Why isn't this guy fired?

Speaker 1 Every other day, it's Berhalter out. Just fucking make up your mind, people.
He was fired in 2022, and then they brought him back. Actually fired? Well, not renewed.

Speaker 1 They did a coaching search, and they're like, we're going to get back to Greg with six Gs. Got it.
We lost 5-1 to Columbia. Right.
And this is,

Speaker 1 I've told you guys this because you guys get frustrated with U.S. soccer being back.
Is the U.S. soccer team good? They are a good team.
They've got very good players.

Speaker 1 And in the next World Cup, they should be competing to reach the quarterfinals, semifinals. It should be one of the best teams in the world.

Speaker 1 But with Greg, it's not going to happen. It's not.
And we know it's not going to happen, but we're still keeping him around. And it's very frustrating.
Very frustrating for soccer. Get him out.

Speaker 1 Get Burhalter out. Fire him.
I might boycott the U.S. men's national team.
I'm boycotting Greg. Fuck Greg.
So you're not going to watch? No, I'm boycotting him.

Speaker 1 Like, I might not watch Copa America because of Greg. I can't boycott the World Cup.
Okay, no, no boycotting of the World Cup. I'll boycott some of the games.
The Euros are coming up.

Speaker 1 That we're not playing in.

Speaker 1 What are we playing right now?

Speaker 1 Copa America? Yeah, that's the United States version of the Euros. Got it.
And

Speaker 1 we have to win this or Burr Halter's out?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm saying he must. We have to make it to the finals or else I.
But we're not going to watch it. I'm not going to watch some of the opening round games.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I just every time I fucking see Burr Halter out, I'm like, what the fuck? This guy's still around? Yeah, he is.

Speaker 1 All he's done is get into a pissing match where their star player's dad. It's crazy.
And then he won't let the star player play because of that. Get this guy out of here.
He stinks.

Speaker 1 Get him out of here.

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Hank, your hot seat. My hot seat is the field.
Oh.

Speaker 1 At the U.S. open

Speaker 1 okay the greens window clark came out yesterday said they're borderline what does that mean really really fast okay no rain forecasted it's gonna be like 90 degrees so they're just gonna they're already super fast gonna get faster i love it and yeah you're getting the videos of of people you know throwing the ball in the green and it just rolls oh i love it yeah i love it dropping balls in the rough i saw that one a guy like he was standing next to a giant bush and he's like watch this this is how tough this course is and they just threw the golf ball into the bush and disappeared.

Speaker 1 He's like, Look at that. It's like, Yeah, dude, you just threw a fucking golf ball into the wall.
I love it. Yeah, yeah.
He's like, The course has its teeth out this week.

Speaker 1 You'll never be able to survive this, just throwing a ball into the woods. Yeah, he's like, Don't hit it there.
He's sitting next to a lake and he throws it in. Look at that.

Speaker 1 The ball just disappeared. Don't hit it in there.
This course isn't playing around. I'm excited.
Hank,

Speaker 1 you actually rooting for the course?

Speaker 1 I feel like you're a fake course guy. You want to see the guys go low.

Speaker 1 guys like us

Speaker 1 super low we want to see them struggle. Yeah, I want I want

Speaker 1 pain not just plus territory. I want the winner to shoot a plus 10.
No, I would like minus five to minus one.

Speaker 1 Minus five to minus one.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 think Willie Z might be that's that's what I picked. Is he live? Yeah, I think he's live.
So Hank, when you said borderline, that sounded like a golf term to me.

Speaker 1 No, Wyndham Clark said borderline. I don't know what that means.
Borderline what?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Borderline between what's what are the borders? Like borderline even playable? Oh, okay.
They're already borderline. Oh,

Speaker 1 it hasn't baked out yet. Baked out, and it's 87, 90, 93, 92, 90.
Sheesh. Gonna love it.
And we played there. We were there last summer around this time, so it's like we're

Speaker 1 being able to kind of experience the same conditions.

Speaker 1 Same exact holes. It makes it really cool.
I played Pinehurst number two.

Speaker 1 We ate Pete's on the third fairway. Oh, Pinehurst number two.
Yes. Holy shit.
Yeah. I did chip onto Riggs' practice screen.
That was pretty much on Pinehurst number two. Wow.
I walked on the fairway.

Speaker 1 What? You trespassed? Did you hit a shot? I didn't. Oh, damn.
But, like, if I did.

Speaker 1 Where it would have been borderline. It would have been borderline.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 My cool throne, I deleted my note. I can't find it.
So it's Max. So you never had one.
I did. No, I did.
I did. There's no chance.
I did. I did.
I did. I'll remember it later.

Speaker 1 Your spider ate your note?

Speaker 1 Max looks like the guy from County Crows, who apparently dated Jennifer Anderson. Oh, Adam Duritz.
Did you guys see this picture? No, but I know what he looks like. That dude has dated so many people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so cool throwing Max. That dude is an all-time boyfriend.
I mean,

Speaker 1 look at him. Who? I just sent the picture.
Okay.

Speaker 1 This is a podcast. This is a podcast.

Speaker 1 We can put it on the YouTube show. We can put it on the YouTube.
Okay. And Rumble.
Yeah. And Rumble.
Jake's B. Yeah, I know what Adam Duritz looks like.
You think he looks like Max?

Speaker 1 That picture you don't think looks like Max? Not at all. Not even close.
I think it's just the beard. Not even close.

Speaker 1 If you go through his face. I'm sorry.
He doesn't.

Speaker 1 He doesn't. If you go through his list of former girlfriends, it's incredible.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He dated Jennifer Anderson. I think he dated Courtney Cox.
I mean, dude.

Speaker 1 He dated Christina Applegate. Long December.
You put that on?

Speaker 1 Chips. Oh, I don't want to hang out.
What? It was.

Speaker 1 Oh, you have to do a real one. So we don't have to do the one that doesn't look like Max.
You're trying to get it. He does look like Max when you're doing it.
And you're gaslighting us.

Speaker 1 Max, that does not look like you. I like to sing Counting Crow songs.
Okay, fine. Then it looks like you.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Counting Crownuts.

Speaker 1 Some people are saying. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The Roaring Kitty stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Explain it to Hank.

Speaker 1 All right, so Roaring Kitty, he's a guy from the Internet.

Speaker 1 I know that part. Okay, well, that's all I I got.

Speaker 1 He's a guy from the internet who

Speaker 1 the meme stocks, the GameStop, he basically,

Speaker 1 so he manipulated the stock market, which is a joke because that's what everyone does. So essentially, the big corporate

Speaker 1 stock market guys who've been making money all these years were like, this is illegal what he's doing. He's artificially pumping up GameStop.
He shouldn't be allowed to do this.

Speaker 1 Everyone was basically like, you're telling on yourself because

Speaker 1 that is what you guys do constantly, and you make money hand over fist for this.

Speaker 1 And then he came back, so he was gone for what, three or four years.

Speaker 1 And then he came back, and all he did was tweet one picture, and GameStop went

Speaker 1 skyrocketed again. I think he's made, if he sold any of his positions, he would have made like $700 million.

Speaker 1 Apparently, what happened was he recently

Speaker 1 off like nothing.

Speaker 1 He recently just put like hundreds of millions of dollars into game stop yeah himself so he is like a big big investor in game stop at the moment and then he did a live stream last week yep and the stock popped at first and then it went back down so he he might have briefly become a billionaire and then i think he lost a lot of that money yeah but it but but the um

Speaker 1 The normies of the world are saying that it's illegal what he's doing and unfair what he's doing, but he's doing nothing different than what everyone does, including our politicians and anyone who

Speaker 1 essentially has insider information and rigs the stock market. Yeah, he didn't have insider information.

Speaker 1 He had, I guess the insider information that he had was understanding the internet and understanding that if he put his case out there repeatedly, people would sympathize with GameStop.

Speaker 1 Go against the people that were shorting the stock. Right.
And then everybody could make money until it reached an unsustainable peak. And then it takes a nosedive.

Speaker 1 And then if you don't get out, then you lose your money. So it is risky what people are doing.
But

Speaker 1 i made a lot of money all the way back down and hank when they do the other part that was bullshit whenever he would do the picture or it would start popping they would pause trading and essentially say it's irregularities like we can pause trading uh so it's all rigged this was remember this was um what was the what was the app that people were using to trade on robinhood robin hood this is the robin hood controversy because robin hood stopped people from being able to trade game stop so Robinhood was part of the institutions essentially saying you can't rig it like they're rigging it, even though it's always been rigged.

Speaker 1 I just had a really dumb thought.

Speaker 1 I almost said a second ago, you know, what would rock if they made a stock market but for sports teams and like whether or not you thought a sports team would win a game or win a championship.

Speaker 1 That would be cool. That would be cool.
It would be very cool. Think about it.

Speaker 1 Think about it. Yeah.
What's the future?

Speaker 1 What do you mean like a long option? Yeah, a long option. Yeah, you put a long option on it.
I think we did a, I'm going to say

Speaker 1 6.2 out of 10 explanation of Roaring Kitty. Yeah, pretty much hit it.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's be a lot of people who say, you missed this or you're wrong about this, but I think we did a pretty good job of surface level. We kind of nailed it.
He also likes beer.

Speaker 1 He likes drinking beers. He kind of looks like PFT, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I got tagged a lot in that. I was thinking about maybe getting into some stock market shit, some stocks, getting heavy into doing some

Speaker 1 top shot.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Are are those horses nba top shot no i'm still in still highly leveraged i have a nft i think i bought a marcus smart top shot that's probably worth two dollars that i paid like 200 for i was i was given a uh

Speaker 1 yeah i was given i was given a uh nft that i don't even know how to get yeah we thought about getting into racehorses the nft racehorses did he make nfts for us oh yeah he made some money off not for us yeah he made some money he just like drew elephants and said this is an NFT.

Speaker 1 It was a mammoth, but yeah. Sorry.
Yeah. I'm also looking at more of Adam Duritz's greatest hits here.
Dated Lara Flynn Boyle as well. Winona Ryder.
This dude. Winona.

Speaker 1 This dude's awesome. How did you say that? Isn't it Winona? Yeah.
Winona. It's Winona.
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 It's Winona Ryder. I've never heard of that.
I've never heard that. It's definitely Winona Ryder.
It's Winona? Winona Ryder, yeah. No, it's Winona Ryder.
No, no, it's got it.

Speaker 1 It's Winona Ryder. She's the mom and stranger thing.
I know that. I've never heard Winona Ryder.

Speaker 1 You've never heard somebody say Winona Ryder. I don't think so.
That's the first time for me.

Speaker 1 Winona Ryder.

Speaker 1 She'll always be Winona to me.

Speaker 1 Who told you Winona Ryder? I've just, I've always called her Winona.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That stopped tanking tanking his tracks. Anyways, Adam Durtz.

Speaker 1 Great work.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We have it. Send it to me.
I'm sending it to Max.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 The official pronunciation from herself. It's Winona Ryder.

Speaker 1 From herself?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's a video of her. Okay, let's hear.

Speaker 1 Oh, we have breaking moves.

Speaker 1 McCaffrey is the Madden cover athlete. Oh, nice.
Yeah, sure. That makes sense.

Speaker 1 Max, you want me to clean the deli slicer? Look at Jacob always on top of it.

Speaker 1 All right, moment of truth. This is taking forever.
Winona Ryder.

Speaker 1 How to pronounce Winona Ryder?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 Winona, right.

Speaker 1 Wait, so that didn't. Yeah, that was it.
That wasn't her.

Speaker 1 That wasn't her. She was laughing at how he pronounced her name.
She probably thought she was a nice name. I mean, that was no different than what we've been saying.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but she was like laughing at him like, that's not it at all. No, that's it's Winona.
You guys are kind of simps for

Speaker 1 telling her by her preferred pronunciation. I told us that she said

Speaker 1 how to pronounce it. I hadn't watched the video yet and she was standing there.
A real man pronounces a woman's name however he sees fit. Winona.
Yeah, I've never heard that.

Speaker 1 All right, what was your cool throne? Or was that your cool throne?

Speaker 1 Wait, who's cool throne? That was Hank. Hank.
All right. Good job, Hank.
Good job, Hank. My hot seat is Buster Only.
Yes, mine too. He got his account hacked yesterday.

Speaker 1 Well, we don't know if it was hacked. Some people are saying it was hacked.
I choose to believe that these were all actually Buster Only tweets.

Speaker 1 He tweeted, the season is canceled due to COVID. He tweeted out, Shohei Otani has been banned for life from the MLB in connection to charges with gambling.
His trial is on August 28th.

Speaker 1 It is speculated he could get life in prison. Yep.
He tweeted a couple fake trades. The New York Mets are finalizing a deal that will send Francisco Lindor to the Oakland Athletics.
Sources tell ESPN.

Speaker 1 That one was funny because I was at my son's t-ball and the dad sitting next to me literally said, Lindor to the A is crazy. It would be wild.

Speaker 1 I was like, really? And then I looked and saw that it was Buster Only just tweeting all over the place. He also said, I hate Mets.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is a good use of a hacker's time. If you're going to hack a prominent account like that, at least fuck with people.
Don't just do out like the PlayStation 5 tweet or any obvious scam. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like giving away autographed iPads. Yeah, I wish the hacker hadn't done any of the hack tweets first, just started going ripping off news.
Yeah. Fake news.
Yeah, but this is good. I like this hacker.

Speaker 1 I don't know who he is or she.

Speaker 1 Definitely he. Yeah.
But good job for this guy. Yeah, definitely a he because he said, okay, if I get an unlimited prison sentence, who will come and bring panties? Yeah.
Well, it could be she.

Speaker 1 Could be she.

Speaker 1 Yeah. This was, I swear to you, I don't even know who I hacked.
Who is this buster? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's good stuff. I thought for a second when he started doing the the fake trades, I thought he might be specifically fucking with his own fantasy league.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like knowing that some of the guys on his team might trade him Francisco Lindor. Yeah.
How mad do you think?

Speaker 1 I mean, just imagining Buster only sitting in his house having this happen and just feeling as helpless as possible. Yeah.
It's a very funny visual. It's very funny.

Speaker 1 And I know he doesn't have his account back yet. But he has been able to delete some of the tweets or they've been deleted by somebody.
Okay. But

Speaker 1 I hope this keeps happening to reporters. Oh, Peter King got hacked last year.
They did. Peter King got hacked big time.
They put out a crypto king. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Everyone's getting hacked. Dollar sign King.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, you're a cool throne. Then my cool throne, I've got two.
One is Zach Wilson. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Zach Wilson is currently in the mix for the starting job in Denver, which is crazy because Sean Payton, he compared Bo Nicks to Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.

Speaker 1 So imagine how good Zach Wilson has to be be to be competing to start over a combination of Peyton Manning and Drew Brees. Yeah.
So think about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know how much we can trust reports coming out right now, but I guess it's

Speaker 1 the saddest open competition of all time. I feel like Zach Wilson, when he got traded,

Speaker 1 basically every year, every coach says, hey, you know what I'm going to do for you? I'm going to put out that there's an open competition.

Speaker 1 That's the nicest thing I could do for you. And then he won't get it.
But there was a competition.

Speaker 1 There has been competing going on. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Would it be funny? I think it'd be very funny if Zach Wilson was very good for the Broncos. Like, what if he just went out there and lit shit up?

Speaker 1 What if he was better than Patrick Mahomes in Patrick Mahomes' own division? Yeah. That would be very funny.
That would be very funny. That would be a very funny wrinkle.

Speaker 1 Memes, don't say anything at all if you think that'd also be funny.

Speaker 1 Okay, I can confirm from memes. Perfect, perfect.
My other cool throne is Big Dom. Yes.
Big Dom got a promotion. Yes.
His old title, Senior Advisor to the General Manager, Chief Security Officer.

Speaker 1 New title, Senior Advisor to the General Manager, slash Chief Security Officer, slash Game Day Coaching Operations. So

Speaker 1 I hope he got a pay raise. He's basically a coach now.
It sounds like he just does everything for the Eagles. Yeah.
Build the entire team out of Big Dom.

Speaker 1 I think this was something so that he could be on the sidelines during games. Oh, loophole.
Yes. So he was not allowed to be there before? Yeah, and also, why not just make him a nose tackle? True.

Speaker 1 I would love that. Could have been on the sidelines a long time ago.
I also saw one tweet that said that, so I have no idea if that's actually true. Oh, okay.
No, one tweet is enough sourcing.

Speaker 1 I'm going to back you up.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. I'll read one tweet and be like, yep, that's the story, and I'm sticking to it.
Because he's been on the sidelines for years, right? Yeah. Yeah, correct.

Speaker 1 But I think that there may have been something about last year that he wasn't.

Speaker 1 I'm making this up. I'm making this up.
I need to stop. So if you give him

Speaker 1 somewhat of a coaching title, then he's allowed to shove opposing players. Right.
No, he's just allowed to be on the sideline. Again, I have no idea what I'm talking about.
This is all off one tweet.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Well, shout out Big Dom. Yeah, shout out Big Dom.
Huge promotion. Okay, my hot seat was also buster-only.
I'll say hot seat wearing red to rodeos.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you guys saw the party bus.

Speaker 1 That bull rocks. Very funny that he jumped over and found the one woman wearing red and then just ragdolled her.
She's okay, though. She's alive.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think both the people that got sent to the hospital are okay. Yeah, so we can laugh about it.
But you got to root for the bull. Oh, always.
Right? Always. You have to root for the bull.

Speaker 1 I don't root for the bull as much in a rodeo because I don't think they actually don't hurt the bulls in a rodeo. Whereas in the bull fighting, I'm rooting for the bull every time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when that's a little different. When the matadors are trying to steal it.
I think in a rodeo, don't they like tie a string around the bull's nuts to piss it off?

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 1 Sure. They do something.
Did you read a tweet about it? Yeah, I did. Okay, then, yeah.
They do something to piss the bull off before it goes out and starts bucking around. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And this bull was just, everyone was like clapping for the bull as it's running around the ring, like, oh, this is awesome. What a funny moment.
Ha ha ha ha ha.

Speaker 1 And then the bull just goes full bull and just jumps right over that fence. Yeah, Party Bus is a legend.
He, he, when he gets back to his, his boys, he's like, you'll have,

Speaker 1 you'll never guess what I did.

Speaker 1 I just fucked everyone up. Is that running of the bulls? Is that still a thing? Yeah.
Capelona, yeah. Yeah, I root for the bulls there, too.
People voluntarily run in the wild with them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The Ryan brothers did it one time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What? You want to do it? Mount Rushmore Punishment. Oh,

Speaker 1 Grit Week.

Speaker 1 Grit Week Pamplona?

Speaker 1 Mount Rushmore Punishment.

Speaker 1 When is it? When is Pamplona? It's mid-July. Oh, no, we can't do that.

Speaker 1 Damn it. I was going to say yes,

Speaker 1 but timing doesn't work out.

Speaker 1 It's right in the middle of the morning.

Speaker 1 We get our own bulls.

Speaker 1 Just have Alex Caruso come in.

Speaker 1 Chase us around

Speaker 1 and then kill him afterwards. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is that what they do? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Jake, what?

Speaker 1 That's crazy. That's what bullfights are.
Yeah, bullfights.

Speaker 1 Kill the bulls. I didn't know that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 You thought they just had a little run? Well, actually, they go for a run and then they lasso them and bring them back. No, I'm pretty sure those guys get killed.

Speaker 1 They kill all the bulls in the running of the bulls? I know in bullfights, the goal is to kill the bull. Like the matador steps to the side and starts stabbing it with shit, and then the bull dies.

Speaker 1 But I don't know what happens at the actual running of the bull. They might take those bulls and then send them to bullfights.

Speaker 1 All right, what happens during the running of the bulls in Pampalona? This is from PETA, so I'm assuming it's not great.

Speaker 1 After provoking a few charges from the exhausted bull, he aims to kill him by stabbing him between the shoulder blades and through the heart with a sword. So I think they killed him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think they run him into the

Speaker 1 Coliseum, whatever, and then they kill him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the aim of the Matador is to always kill the bull, and his fight is only considered successful if it ends in the bull's death.

Speaker 1 Learn something new every day. Yeah, my cool throne is

Speaker 1 Kevin Durant. He's back on Twitter.

Speaker 1 I just got a chuckle out of this.

Speaker 1 Some guy said, actually, what we were talking about a couple of weeks ago, the only way KD can redeem his legacy is if he returns to the Thunder and wins them their first ever championship, LeBron style, then all his sins will be forgiven.

Speaker 1 We good, Kevin Durant. And Kevin Durant replied, you ain't God.
Go get ready for work. It's good.
Go get ready for work is a sick burn. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because you know that guy is getting ready for work when he tweeted it.

Speaker 1 And he's just like, yeah, go take a shot. Or if he doesn't have a job, he's even down worse.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just a great, great burn. So Kevin Durant's back.
And then the guy, yeah, the guy replied, Kawhi is better than you. You know you have him.

Speaker 1 That's a lame-ass reply.

Speaker 1 So good job for Kevin Durant. He's back.

Speaker 1 Or he's cool thrown. Jake.
My hot seat's the Olympics. Apparently Paris is pulling the plug on air conditioning in the Olympic village for the athletes.
What?

Speaker 1 In an effort to go green, but now some countries are bringing their own portable AC units. Yeah, you don't fuck with a man's air conditioning.
Apparently this is a thing.

Speaker 1 Like in Paris, they just don't rely on AC as much as us. What if they reinstall the AC if Caitlin Clark attends?

Speaker 1 That could work. And then every athlete has to talk about how grateful they are for Caitlin Clark attending.
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 That would be good. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And my cool throne is Mercedes-Lewis. This guy's still hanging around.
He re-signed with the Bears. Yeah.
And the fact he's been in the league since I was in middle school. Yeah.
That's insane.

Speaker 1 He's still doing it. As a tight end, like a physical position.

Speaker 1 It is crazy that a guy like him, because it feels like he has a 12th man on the bench in NBA career going right now where it's like, yeah, you're just going to keep showing up.

Speaker 1 But he loves being around the boys. Yeah, you bring him in, have him mentor, just hang out.
Good locker room guy. He needs four more games to play the most as a titan in NFL history.

Speaker 1 So that's probably why he's playing. Retire after week four.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mercedes-Lewis played

Speaker 1 in college for UCLA in 2005.

Speaker 1 Colorado was definitely not in the Pac-12. Utah wasn't in the Pac-12.
So when was his first year in the Pacific 12? And now the Pac-12 is gone. In the NFL.
2006. 2000.
Holy shit. 2006.
This is insane.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's insane.
Congrats to him.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's get to our interviews. Okay, before we get to Caddy and comedian Michael Collins.

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Speaker 1 Okay, here he is. Caddy Michael Collins.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. You can find him on ESPN.
He is America's Caddy. That is what he's joined the Zoom with.
It is Michael Collins, golf expert, America's Caddy, comedian.

Speaker 1 Michael, thank you for joining us. We appreciate it.
We want to do a little U.S. Open talk with you.

Speaker 3 But before we do that, let's just, you just said you golfed yesterday on a former u.s open course how how did you golf and how is the game right now uh the game was fantastic i played the bmw charity pro-am for the corn fairy tour last week and then went up and played in the eagles for autism event that was at marion

Speaker 3 and uh the game was great in at the bmw and the game was not quite as great at marion because they could hold a u.s open on that course this weekend as well.

Speaker 3 As good as that golf course condition-wise is in, those greens were running like a 13 to a 14 on the stimp meter right now.

Speaker 3 So it was like, it was like, imagine trying to hit a putt in your bathtub and make it stop before it gets to the drain. That's how the greens were running.
Jesus.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah, that sounds pretty intense.
Are you still a caddy? Are you America's golfer now? Because it seems like you're playing a lot, but I don't see any bags.

Speaker 3 yeah it's kind of funny how that worked out like I put the jumpsuit on and don't really get to carry bags as much as I as I used to before

Speaker 3 I'll do a fill-in

Speaker 3 if if need be I don't know that I'll go back to caddying full-time again on tour as I did for a long time

Speaker 3 but I kind of I kind of like the gigs that I got right now yes

Speaker 3 which is good and fun it's not quite as volatile as being a caddy people thought like oh cool man, you're a caddy, so you got guaranteed this and guaranteed. Nah, man, it don't work like that.

Speaker 3 Like, I got fired on a Thursday after the first round. There's no contracts.
There's no guarantees for caddies out there.

Speaker 3 And you got to pay all your own expenses, airfare, hotel, rental car, food, all of that stuff.

Speaker 3 So, you know, if you got a guy who's missing four or five cuts in a row, and you got a family at home and bills to pay, it can get a little, get a little scary.

Speaker 1 Wait, why'd you get fired on a Thursday afternoon after after a first round

Speaker 3 what happened i was working for a dude me and him almost got in a fight on the golf course i literally put the bag down and was like you want to go

Speaker 3 when i was i was caddy so let's just say you know of all the people that i caddy for we're friends now

Speaker 3 and but at the time it what seemed like a good connection ended horrifically so I caddied for Daniel Chopra for like three months maybe

Speaker 3 and at one point we were just not getting along so bad. I put the bag down in the middle of the tournament.
I was like, Do you want to go right here in front of everybody?

Speaker 3 Like, I got to embarrass you in front of all these people.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And so then when he, when it, when it got to its worst point ever, we were in Chicago and

Speaker 3 he shot six over

Speaker 3 and then was in the locker room and sent his wife Samantha out because he didn't want to do it face to face.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Oh, no.

Speaker 3 Maybe he was scared. And she was like,

Speaker 3 we're going to make a change. And I was like, yeah, that's probably a good idea.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's probably not working out. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You do. It's probably a good idea.

Speaker 1 You've got a very interesting career path, too.

Speaker 1 I was reading up about you and how you got into golf in the first place and how you kind of just networked your way and ended up finding a career in media that you didn't really plan out for at all.

Speaker 1 But one of the craziest parts that I read about was when you started caddying, you didn't really know what you were doing. You were just kind of like, you were a good hang for people, right?

Speaker 1 Which I feel like that's not a bad place to be for a caddy if you're looking to like switch up the vibes a little bit, get somebody who's funny that you like out there that can bust your balls a little.

Speaker 1 But when you first stepped onto the golf course as a caddy, you did not know how to rake a bunker properly. Nothing.
And that made me realize I don't know how to rake a bunker properly. No idea.

Speaker 3 You know how many people feel that way? It was Robert Gamez. I was still doing stand-up comedy full-time and Robert Gamez called me up and was like, what are you doing next week?

Speaker 3 what are you talking about he goes man i'm playing like i'm not having fun on the golf course i need you to come caddy for me just so i can remember to have fun again on the golf course and i was like all right cool and we get to this place it was in louisiana on it was like nike tour back in the day it's corn fairy tour now but uh we get there and the course was underwater no practice rounds No pro-am.

Speaker 3 They let us drive a cart around the course on Wednesday and said, you're not allowed to hit a shot. So I literally got the bib on Thursday and it's for real.

Speaker 3 And he comes over and takes the head cover off the driver on this par five. And he goes, he looks at me and I go, hey, don't hit it in the bunker because I don't know how to rake like these pros.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 And he gives me this weird look. I'm like, I don't make no sense.
And hits it dead in the bunker. And I was like, he comes over and slams the club.
And I just told you not to hit it in there, dude.

Speaker 3 And he goes, you can't say that, man. That's all I'm going to focus.
Now you tell me what to think. And we start laughing.
And when we get down there, I was like, what are you going to do?

Speaker 3 And he goes, I'm going to hit a three-wood in the front greenside bunker because it's a par five. I'm gonna get up and down for par.
And I was like, Bitch, I just told you I can't rake.

Speaker 3 You're hitting it in two bunkers on the first hole. And I was like, If you hit it in that front bunker, I'm gonna call immigration and tell him you're illegal.

Speaker 1 I'm gonna get you down.

Speaker 3 And so he laughs and jumps down and he's posing, called his shot right in the front bunker. And he looks at me.
I put the bed, yo, this dude's not even supposed to be in this country.

Speaker 3 And he starts laughing. It's like, get your ass down in that bunker and start raking, boy.

Speaker 3 And then the other, and we realized, yo, there's two other dudes playing with us. And both them and their caddies are like, what the hell's going on? Yeah.
It's the first hole.

Speaker 3 And we're laughing and stuff like that. And after that, other guys were like, hey, man, give me your phone number when you got a week off from comedy.
Call me. But I have to admit,

Speaker 3 even when I started playing golf, I've always been good at reading greens.

Speaker 1 And I think that was

Speaker 3 like one of those secret things that also helped me stay being a caddie and employed for so long? Because I'm, for some reason, have always been good at reading green.

Speaker 1 So, so, wait, how do you rake a bunker though? Because I don't know.

Speaker 3 So, at a green side bunker, what you want to try to do is make the rake marks go towards where the green is. So, you don't want to rake parallel to the green.
So, let's say the green is my head.

Speaker 3 You don't want the rake lines like this.

Speaker 3 You want them like this. Okay.
And the reason why is when you do that, when you rake this way and the ball lands here, so now there isn't sand in between

Speaker 3 the ball and your club. So it gives it a cleaner lie.

Speaker 1 But wait, that's just, you're just helping the people that play behind you. Yes.
You're paying it forward.

Speaker 1 What if there was just a real asshole and a caddy?

Speaker 3 Well, then the PGA tour finds out who it was, and that dude gets a pink slit with a little fine in his locker because the player's responsible for that. Wow, and we take pride as caddies, too.

Speaker 3 Like, there's nothing cooler if it's a big crowd and your boy hits it in a bunker and hits it out there to tap in for the par and you rake the hell out of that bunker, and then you're getting out the bunker.

Speaker 3 Somebody's always like, Hey, man, will you vacuum my house and make the lines look that good?

Speaker 3 Come mow my grass. You'd be like, Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so, so, what's the you mentioned? The greens, uh, or you know, being able to read a putt. What

Speaker 1 this U.S. Open, we've seen, we've seen what it looks like.
It's the turtle shell. It looks like it's impossible.
It's baked out. What are these guys going to have to deal with this week at Pinehurst?

Speaker 3 So it's two things. And I caddied this event before they made the changes.

Speaker 3 And then I covered the event when, if you remember, the last time we were here, they played both the men's and women's in back-to-back weeks. And I played Monday after Michelle Wee won.

Speaker 3 So that was Martin Kymer won the men's. Michelle Wee won her only major then the next week and so

Speaker 3 two things they're really going to have to deal with here one is off the t

Speaker 3 this is because they let it go back to all naturale

Speaker 3 it's not a lot of big rough off of the t but what it is is native areas and what that means is like sometimes you got a perfect lie like it rolls through all this crap and then just sits there and sits up and other times like there's like this gorse grass stuff that it'll sit behind and and you're screwed absolutely screwed and so that's going to be one of the things you got to deal with off the tee if you're not in the fairway then as you said those turtle-shaped greens almost every green has a little fall off

Speaker 3 so similar to an open championship you kind of want to play to the front number especially if the weather like what they're looking at right now perfect perfect weather and a firm golf course you can't fly the ball to the flag you have to land it short and then let it hop up

Speaker 3 And when the greens are real firm, like what you don't see is one of the things we love as amateurs, because we can't do it, is when you see those dudes hit those wedges and nine irons and they hit and

Speaker 3 spin back. Boy, I love seeing that.
You're not going to be able to do that on these. Yeah.
They're going to take two hops and just stop or even roll out just a little bit.

Speaker 3 They'll trickle forward like they do at a lot of the open championship.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. So, whose game does this favor in these conditions?

Speaker 3 There's no course that doesn't favor Scotty Scheffler.

Speaker 3 that dude i mean that you name the type of golf course as the ball striker that he is he has the ability to just he figures it out and then

Speaker 3 kind of bores the hell out of everyone to death right so

Speaker 3 um

Speaker 3 this is also a golf course that you know big hitters can do well here because the shorter the club that you have in your hand especially if you're in the fairway the more that you can control that spin and the better off that you're going to be able to attack.

Speaker 3 What the USGA is famous for is putting hole locations on these greens that dare you to hit at them.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 The one thing about what the USGA and what the U.S. Open is sometimes a 15-footer is a great shot.
But what the USGA gives you those pins where you're just like, I think I can get to this.

Speaker 3 This is where caddies earn their money. Yeah.
When a guy like, this fits my shot shape, you know, I'll be able to work this right to that hole. And the caddy got to be like, man,

Speaker 3 let's work it kind of to the middle of the screen. And if it accidentally feeds there, cool.
Yeah. Because you can hit a good shot and get penalized.

Speaker 3 And you can hit a crappy shot and just barely be okay.

Speaker 1 So, so what, as a caddy, what's the one thing that people don't understand about the job of a caddy?

Speaker 1 Because as far as I understand, it's always, I'm watching, the caddy's there to help, but eventually it's up to the player to make the shot and decide what they want to do.

Speaker 1 But what's the hard part of being a caddy that people kind of don't really see day to day?

Speaker 3 It's that psychologist that you are on the golf course.

Speaker 3 And it's the stuff that they don't show on TV.

Speaker 3 You know, the old saying back in the day was just the three ups.

Speaker 3 Show up, stand up, shut up. That was it.
You know what I mean? Caddies were a bunch of vagabonds and stuff. There were dudes that would be passed out in bushes and just stumble up there.

Speaker 3 And that was it. But it's the money that's out on the PGA tour right now.
There's no such thing as that anymore. Right.

Speaker 3 So it's the relationship between the player and the caddy, the player and the caddy, because you're with a guy for seven hours, eight hours for the day, not just on the golf course.

Speaker 3 And so what are you talking about in between shots?

Speaker 3 And as a caddy, you got to know, like, does my guy have his A game today? And if he has his B game, he knows he has his B game.

Speaker 3 I know he has his B game, but we got to like figure out a way to get the best out of that B game.

Speaker 3 So, some cases he'll want to hit one club and can I talk him in to a different club at the right moment?

Speaker 3 I mean, I would wake up four hours before our tea time just for wind forecasts to try and, if we had an afternoon tea time, it was I was on the course early watching other guys hit shots on holes that I know were going to be pivotal for for my guy.

Speaker 3 Yeah. You know? Yeah.
And so that part of the game, people don't understand.

Speaker 3 They think it's just, you just walk, carry the bag, and keep the clubs clean. And it's not like that at all.

Speaker 3 And sometimes the hardest part of caddying is wanting to say something to a dude and knowing when not to say something.

Speaker 3 Where other caddies or people would jump in there and be like, hey, man, it's going to be okay. Don't worry.
We're going to get through this.

Speaker 3 And then the dude looks at you like, I'll freaking kill you, man. Right.
You're like, shut up. And sometimes it's it's like just looking at a dude and not saying nothing.
Like, you know what?

Speaker 3 You're pissed off. Good.
Sitting at pissed off, whatever. You need a kick in the ass.
I'm not saying nothing.

Speaker 1 You're constantly tasked with reading the room and just trying to figure out what his vibes are and matching it, whether good or bad. That's very difficult.

Speaker 3 Yes. And you're the only, it's you and the player.
That's it.

Speaker 3 That's the only one that's in there that really can give, that legally can give advice

Speaker 3 to a player in there. And it's the only sport like that.
But for me, it was like, it was so much the opposite of doing stand-up comedy.

Speaker 3 So it was like, I get to be the vice president behind the curtain, the only one that got this dude's ear.

Speaker 3 You know, and then they do the interview, and you hear him be like, oh, that was a great shot you hit on the par three. Yeah, seven iron was the right club there.
And I get to stand over the side.

Speaker 3 I was like, yeah, you wanted to hit eight iron.

Speaker 1 You get to crack it.

Speaker 1 Are you real sad?

Speaker 3 But nowadays, players nowadays are like, players are so much different now than

Speaker 3 when I first started Caddy in.

Speaker 3 You hear so much more we

Speaker 1 and team and stuff.

Speaker 3 You hear the best players in the world. That's what it's all about.
Look what happened to Scotty Scheffler after he brought Ted Scott on the bag. It changed everything.
And people are like, really?

Speaker 3 Did it make that much of a difference? What did he shoot the day after he was in jail when Ted Scott wasn't on the bag?

Speaker 3 There you go. Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it makes a difference. Are you a sicko like us and you like when the USGA puts out the hole locations and you just stare at the map of the holes that morning and you're like, yeah, I can't wait.

Speaker 1 13's got a great hole on it.

Speaker 3 Let me put it this way. I might put the pin sheets out on social media when they let them out early.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And when I don't do it during majors, I hear from it. Oh, yeah.
Like people hit me up and like, yo, how come you're not putting them pin sheets out, man? Yeah.

Speaker 3 So yeah, yeah, I'm not going to lie. I'm a sicko too.
I got problems.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like I like that.

Speaker 1 What's the best piece of advice and then maybe the worst advice that you've given as a caddy?

Speaker 1 Ooh,

Speaker 3 best piece of advice.

Speaker 3 I think the best piece of advice one time I gave was

Speaker 3 I was caddying for Omar Uresti

Speaker 3 and he had been a little uptight, like going into a tournament in Vegas. And the first round, I could tell he was uptight, and it was kind of a, it was a pro-am back in the day.

Speaker 3 And I I said, Give me the scorecard. He goes, Why? And I go, I'm going to keep score today.
Don't worry about it. You don't worry about keeping score.

Speaker 3 Just entertain this dude, whoever's with us, and play. And then at the end of the round, he was like, What did we shoot?

Speaker 3 And I was like, That's right,

Speaker 1 that's right.

Speaker 3 And we ended up shooting seven under that day. And when I told him, he was like, What? He didn't even realize that we shot seven under.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 3 And the worst advice I ever gave

Speaker 3 was caddying for John E. Morgan.
It still bothers me to this day. We were in a Monday qualifier to get into Miami and play Doral.

Speaker 3 And I had a bad read

Speaker 3 on our second to last hole.

Speaker 3 And he didn't necessarily see the same thing that I saw. And so, but he went with my read and it was wrong.

Speaker 3 And it to this day bothers me because I feel like it cost us a chance to get into that tournament. And if we would have got in, we would have,

Speaker 3 we would have done some damage together on the PGA tour. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 3 Or we would have both got arrested and ended up like in jail and it would have ended horribly, but who knows?

Speaker 1 That's still fun though. Yeah.
Would you think it'd be hard to be John Daly's caddy? Because he's driving around in the car. He gets the use of the cart.
You have to carry the bag and walk.

Speaker 3 No, you ain't got to carry the bag though. When you're on the PGA Tour Champions, here's the cool thing about being on PGA Tour Champions.
You can put the bag on the back of the cart.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's hard. I'll walk.
I ain't gonna carry the bag.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you ride with the bag all day. I don't care.

Speaker 3 I'll get the yardages for you all day. Tell you what club to pull off the bat.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But basically, if you're catting for John Daly, you're just like giving him, instead of shot selection and club selection, like cigarette selection.

Speaker 1 Like, let's go with the, this feels like a marble of red right here.

Speaker 3 Bat and be like, hey, man, finish this Diet Coke because I'm not putting it back in the bag, bro.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The Diet Coke get heavy. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I've known John for ever. He is a really good friend of mine.
I love that dude to death.

Speaker 3 And I can happily say that I've driven him back to his bus on a few late afternoons and late evenings because i didn't want him to have to drive so

Speaker 3 yeah yeah we've we've had some good times together man he's he's good people but that's the one thing i i always love to tell people about john daly too that like

Speaker 3 not only is he a great dude to be around like when he's a good friend of yours like if this hits the fan he coming.

Speaker 3 And if you want to know who your real friends are, it ain't about when it's perfect, right? It ain't about the sunny days and hanging out and having good times.

Speaker 3 But it's like, if it hits the fan, you want to find out who your friends are, who coming when it hits the fan.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 He's one of those dudes. He's coming.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So in terms of this U.S.
Open, is there anyone besides Scotty Scheffler that you've looked at and you're like, hey, this guy is playing really well or this matches up well with Pinehurst?

Speaker 1 Just because I agree with you, no one can really touch Scotty right now.

Speaker 1 But if you're trying to find other options, there's got to be a couple guys out there because it does, it feels like, you know, peak Tiger Woods, where when Tiger was,

Speaker 1 you know, even money against the field or minus one. Doing up gambling for everybody.

Speaker 3 Like now it's all prop vets.

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 3 All you got is prop vets now because Scotty Seppler messes it up for everybody.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's tough too, especially with the guys coming from Live that we haven't seen a whole lot. You wonder like how much a guy like John Rahm, like this is one of those

Speaker 3 show-me

Speaker 3 opportunities for John Rahm. I think I mean, this is one of those golf courts that there's never a wrong time to hit it long and straight, right?

Speaker 3 And so

Speaker 3 Colin Morakawa is someone whose game is trending in a really good direction. I thought he might have a little drop off, him and Xander, after,

Speaker 3 especially after the PGA championship. But

Speaker 3 it doesn't seem like he's dropped off a lot. And look,

Speaker 3 you guys know, like,

Speaker 3 golf is cyclical. Everything is waves, except for Scotty Scheffler.
It seems like right now, right?

Speaker 3 But it seems like when dudes, when really top golfers start playing well, they play well for a while. Three to six months.
It's like, oh, it's only like Donkey Kong. This dude's never going to miss.

Speaker 3 And then after like three or six months, they start missing all the time. And you're like, damn, that dude just fell off.
And then it's the next guy.

Speaker 3 And I feel like kind of Collamura Cow is riding a wave right now

Speaker 3 where this is a spot that might set up pretty good for him. His putter scares me a little bit, you know.

Speaker 3 And that's where Scotty just

Speaker 3 because his ball striking is so good, he doesn't have to be a great putter.

Speaker 3 But it's funny with Scotty, like when it's really on the line and he has that 12-footer to save part, must-make to keep that two-shot bang, dead center, perfect speed.

Speaker 3 And he's got that little fist, the little Scotty fist pump. We call it vanilla bitch fist pump.

Speaker 3 Like, I don't want to be showing too hard.

Speaker 1 I don't want to show up my competition here. You know what I mean? I'll just beat them every week.

Speaker 3 I don't want to be, you know what I mean? I don't, you know, as a Christian, pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 3 I don't want to be showing off too hard. Yeah.
Yeah, but that's his game, like his hardcore, like that. So

Speaker 3 I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 What about the mentality of going into an event like the US Open where you know that they are specifically making the course difficult to the point where it could be a guy's minus one to win it or plus one to win it?

Speaker 1 Is that like the psychology of going into a tournament like that where you know the course is going to be so much harder than everything else?

Speaker 1 How does that work for the players?

Speaker 3 That's where the caddies and the caddies earn their money then too. Yeah.
Because there's many times, listen, and you guys have been around enough athletes to understand this too.

Speaker 3 They're going to tell you in the beginning, no, man, it's cool. It's laid back.
I'm going to be chill. Like, we're just playing ping pong.
I don't even care if I win. And as soon as the game starts,

Speaker 3 that's out the window. You can kiss my ass.
It's on now.

Speaker 3 I thought we was going to be chill. And that's

Speaker 3 as a great, if you're a really good caddy, you're reminding your guy that all the time. At the U.S.
Open,

Speaker 3 won't kill us and the other thing you're telling your dude is hey everybody else is effing up too brah relax take it easy we ain't the only ones because that's what happens golfers they get in their own bubble so hard sometimes and so deep that they're like i'm the only guy out here screwing this up this is bull crap and then as a caddy you got to be like come here come here look at the scoreboard you see your name is still up there you know why our name's still up there?

Speaker 3 Because we ain't the only one effing up. Relax.

Speaker 1 We got this.

Speaker 3 Let's play the next hoe.

Speaker 1 So, who do you think, who are the best caddies in the game right now? Do you have like a top five?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 1 Because here, but here's the thing.

Speaker 3 Here's why it's hard to do that. We jokingly made a like,

Speaker 3 I had a joke with one of the caddies because every time I'd see him, I was like, hey, man, you still in the top 50 of caddies? He was like, nah, this week I fell out, right?

Speaker 3 When you're a caddy on the PGA tour, what makes you a great caddy is being able to give the player you're caddying for what that player needs. Now, if

Speaker 3 let's say Xander Chauffele's caddy went to caddy for someone else, which he's, I mean, he's not going to do that, right? Because they're good friends too.

Speaker 3 But he can't caddy the same for Xander that he's caddying for somebody else. Like, Ted Scott is not doing the same stuff for

Speaker 3 Scotty that he did for Bubba Watson.

Speaker 3 Because they don't need the same things. So, like, who are some of the best caddies out there? So, I mean, you look at like Bones, right?

Speaker 3 When he was caddying for Justin Thomas, he wasn't doing the same stuff for Justin Thomas that he did for Phil Mickelson.

Speaker 3 Would Phil Mickelson have been the golfer that he was without bone without bones? I'm going to say, hell no.

Speaker 3 No, there's no way. But does that make Bones like one of the best caddies out on tour, you know, even though he's not

Speaker 3 working right now?

Speaker 3 I don't know because

Speaker 3 every caddy has to give something different depending on what that player needs.

Speaker 3 So I think that's, if you want to see what great caddies are, it's like in the moment, in the moment, did this guy say exactly what his player needed him to say?

Speaker 3 Like, when you look at a guy like Michael Greller and Jordan Speeth, would Jordan be the player that he is without Michael Greller being the caddy that he was for Jordan?

Speaker 3 I would venture to say absolutely not. It's why they have stayed together for so long.
So it's like

Speaker 3 there are all the caddies on the PGA tour, the reason that they're out there is because of how good they are in the moments that they're needed most. And they mess up just like players do.

Speaker 3 One of the greatest lines,

Speaker 3 Mark Wilson won the Honda one year. after his caddy accidentally got him a two-stroke penalty and his caddy was so shook up.
I mean, Chris Jones, his name is

Speaker 3 Caddy nickname is Crispy, and Crispy after the round was just inconsolable.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 Mark, then during the round, looked at him and said, Hey, man, I'm going to mess up a lot more than you. It's okay.
We're going to get through this.

Speaker 3 And that was on a Thursday, and they won that tournament that week. And it was one of the coolest things ever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is very cool.

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Speaker 1 Does Tiger Woods have any chance of finishing top 20?

Speaker 3 This might be the U.S. Open course that he does.

Speaker 3 Are you saying that to me? Like, are you saying there's a chance? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Then if

Speaker 1 you're not saying that we want him to be in the mix.

Speaker 3 Exactly. If you're saying it in that sense,

Speaker 3 is there a chance? Yes, because this is probably of all the U.S. Open venues, this might be the easiest of the walks.
Okay. And that's what it takes for Tiger now.
That's part of the issue.

Speaker 3 It ain't the course, it's the walks. Yeah.
And the stances.

Speaker 3 So when he misses a fairway at Pinehurst, like he's going to be a native area, but he's not going to have some jacked jacked-up stance like he would, like he would have at the PGA championship, like he did at the Masters.

Speaker 3 Like, that's the problem. Now, it's also a sand-based course, so if they get really bad weather and the course gets soft, then of course it's going to be an issue.

Speaker 3 But this week, too, the temperature looks like it's going to be hot.

Speaker 3 Great for Tiger Woods and his back.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So if he keeps it in play, like Fairways and Greens, yeah, he can hit the shots.

Speaker 1 So Tiger Woods could win the the U.S. Open.

Speaker 3 No, take it easy, bro. Relax.
I didn't say that. Now there you go.
But maybe.

Speaker 3 Now you're being media. Now you're like, see?

Speaker 1 Wow. Don't do that.
It's shocking you come on and say that. That's a bold claim.

Speaker 1 This is good for the headline. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Michael Collins says Tiger Woods can win the U.S. Open this year.
No, no, I didn't. That ain't what I said, man.

Speaker 1 What about Max Homo? Can Max Homo win the U.S. Open?

Speaker 3 This year.

Speaker 1 Great Caddy. Joe's a great caddy.
Joe's a great

Speaker 3 grinder, man. Joe Griner.
Another one. That's the thing.
Like, so him and Max has such an amazing team together.

Speaker 3 You know what? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I know a lot of people thought like LA was the spot for him and stuff, but winning a home game in golf is impossible.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's just too much. Like that kind of internal pressure that you put on yourself with all the people that you know are there for you.

Speaker 3 But somewhere like Pinehurst, Pinehurst, if there ain't that many cousins and nephews coming out from California, be like, hey, you want to walk around 20 miles past children of the corn in the middle of nowhere?

Speaker 1 Nah, we good.

Speaker 3 We'll stay here in LA. So

Speaker 3 if Max's putter is good, that's what it'll be for him this week.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay, last question.
Who do you have to win? Not named Scotty Shuffer. Do you have a pick?

Speaker 1 You can't do Scotty. So you're saying Scotty.
It's just Scotty. Come on, man.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Listen,

Speaker 3 back in the day when it was like that too with Tiger and you would be like, Tiger or the field? How many people were like, oh, it's the field?

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, you're right.

Speaker 3 You're right. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Man, it's how I don't know how you pick against Scotty. And the other thing about this year now, because of what happened at the PGA,

Speaker 3 what are we going to say if Scotty wins the Masters? the U.S. Open and the Open Championship.
And the reason that he didn't win the PGA was because of what happened on Friday.

Speaker 1 Well, the officer's pants got destroyed. I don't know if you saw the picture.
It was

Speaker 1 an automatic picture.

Speaker 1 The whole Louisville Police Department's pants are around their ankles. Yeah, that's the playbook.
How to beat Scotty Shuffler. Just get him arrested.

Speaker 1 Mayberry RFD, hit him up before the round.

Speaker 3 That's going to be what happens. Like going into the open championship, somebody's going to make a call to TSA over there and be like, yo, this dude's bringing in paraphernalia.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Get him.

Speaker 4 Get him.

Speaker 1 He went hunting before you know what that means you might not want to let him in search him good yeah yeah he's from texas has a gun maybe check him out do a double check do a double check um all right well michael this has been awesome man we really appreciate it uh you do great stuff and uh we're excited to watch some golf this weekend hey i i'm really excited thanks you guys for having me on man i've been wanting to be on y'all show For a while, dude.

Speaker 3 So this this means a lot for me to be able to come on and hang out with you guys. So anytime, bro.
Anytime.

Speaker 1 We got to get you in person and play around with you. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you could get in our head. You could tell us psychology of the golf game.
Yeah, you could do everything. Actually, that'd be funny.
You did everything wrong. Like you tried to fuck us up the most.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It might make us good.

Speaker 3 That is not a problem.

Speaker 1 That's not a problem. You can do that.

Speaker 3 You know, you can do that on an interview Saturday or even like when SiriusXM used to make me do pre-round interviews. And I was like, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 3 Because you asked the guy the wrong question and you're in his head. And then the next time he sees sees you, he's like, I ain't talking to you ever again.
So getting in golfers' heads is easy.

Speaker 1 That ain't a problem. Yeah.
Love it. All right.
Well, thanks so much, man. Appreciate it.
And we'll hopefully see you soon.

Speaker 3 Absolutely.

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And now here's Kevin Love.

Speaker 3 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on very special guest recurring guest.

Speaker 1 It is 16-year

Speaker 1 NBA pro Kevin Love.

Speaker 1 Kevin, let's start with that. 16 years.
Is that weird to say out loud? Because

Speaker 1 you've done the gray hair. I'm graying as well.
16 years, that's a crazy amount of time. Is it weird to be like, holy shit, this has been 16 years?

Speaker 4 It is. And I can remember, man, it was because Kobe came into the league at 17.
I believe that his parents actually had to sign his contract at the time

Speaker 4 because, you know, he wasn't legally obligated to do so. So I remember when he was 34, 35 years old,

Speaker 4 you know, he looked at me and was like, okay, love, I've been in the league half my life. And that always stuck with me.
Like he saw LeBron had just done that.

Speaker 4 You had seen in football that Tom Brady had done it. So that had always stuck with me.
So when I hear that I've been in the league 16 years, I came in at 19, got drafted at 19 back in 2008.

Speaker 4 It's wild. Like going into year 17, I'm signed through that with the heat.
And I can hope to continue to keep going.

Speaker 4 But that goal for me has always been to say, be able to say, I've played half my life in the NBA.

Speaker 1 That is cool. But I'm getting old.

Speaker 4 That gray hair is really, I mean, people,

Speaker 4 you know, message me. There'll be guys that,

Speaker 4 you know, on the other side now, which is funny coming in from people like richard jefferson who doesn't have any hair but he's like man those grays really come out

Speaker 4 on tv it like really really sticks out and ages you yeah you should do like a little makeover this offseason just remind people like you're still young maybe go full bleach like eminem oh full bleach would be good but i always thought like you know i always saw remember there's like the touch of gray where like the guy that's young and hungry has like the full black jet hair and then the older dude has the full gray hair then they merge them

Speaker 1 I feel like there's something there that could be had maybe you guys can yeah oh go me in the right direction you can go poly walnuts just get the wings on either side yeah that would look why not yeah yeah very strong I'm going gray and I I do from time to time will touch it up um but I respect you for not like you're you know representation matters so seeing you out there running around on the court with gray hair it helps

Speaker 4 yeah someday I want to grow up and do that the few the proud no question yeah sweet sweet you're not not going to retire right we can officially you're officially not going to retire i hope not um no bam uh actually bam on the bio in our boston series our only series um

Speaker 4 had said something in the media about oh you know kevin said he doesn't have much time left and that he could be on his way out so that kind of

Speaker 4 led to a lot of questions of me possibly retiring. But I'm a,

Speaker 4 you know, to the wheels fall off. I'm going to make this thing go as long as I possibly possibly can.
So 16, heading into 17 for a kid from Lake Oswego, Oregon. Not too bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, pretty good. What was it like being in year 16 in Miami?

Speaker 1 Because I think a lot of people think Miami, great time, kind of an easy lifestyle, but playing for the heat, they do like weigh-ins and stuff, right?

Speaker 1 They have like a lot of structure around their program.

Speaker 1 Is that easy for you to translate into and to kind of fit in there as an older guy that's established himself in the league? It really did.

Speaker 4 And it was, you know, it was easy to fit in in terms of it being very refreshing for somebody like me. Coach Fo

Speaker 4 grew up in Portland, Oregon. He's somebody that I've,

Speaker 4 you know, watched and admired from afar, somebody that back in 2008, they had the second pick.

Speaker 4 I ended up being the fifth pick that, you know, I was kind of hoping that there was a way I could play myself into that.

Speaker 4 It ended up being,

Speaker 4 you know, Michael Beasley, and then it was OJ Mayo, the third pick, fourth pick, Russ, and then myself. But I'd always looked at the Heat as a team that, you know, I'd potentially

Speaker 4 like to play for.

Speaker 4 They had just that ethos of, they talk about culture all the time, but just championship type mentality, attention to detail, coming every game, trying to work, no matter who's in, who's out.

Speaker 4 You know, we're going to give ourselves an opportunity in preparation to win.

Speaker 4 So as far as like falling in love with the game again, there's been different stages in my career where I felt that has happened.

Speaker 4 When I first got to Miami last year, I really did feel that. I loved not only being in the city, being around the fans,

Speaker 4 you know, having my family out there with me, but you know, playing for such a storied franchise that only has one thing on their mind, and that's to win games and to win championships.

Speaker 4 That was, you know, just refreshing being around that every single day, and especially having that full year from training camp all the way on through the playoffs this year was definitely special.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you mentioned the one playoff series this year.

Speaker 1 Obviously, last year was you guys went deep all the way to the NBA finals, but the Celtics, the battles that have have happened, you know that team well. They're in the finals now.

Speaker 1 What is it about the Celtics that they do so well or different versus everyone else that has them on the cusp of winning an NBA title?

Speaker 4 Well, they turned, and this is no disrespect to those two guys because they meant so much to them, but

Speaker 4 Drew Holliday

Speaker 4 and Derek White.

Speaker 4 You had Marcus Smart and Robert Williams turn into those two guys. I mean, excuse me, Porzingis.

Speaker 4 And then you have Derrick White and Drew Holiday as their X factors. Those two guys being your X Factors, it's

Speaker 4 just, they do everything right all the time. I mean, game two was unbelievable to watch Drew operate.
Obviously, I'm a fan of his being a UCLA guy, a guy that I played against,

Speaker 4 you know, a lot in my career and also growing up having watched him, Campbell Hall guy in Los Angeles.

Speaker 4 To see him go 11 for 14

Speaker 4 and

Speaker 4 have 26 and 11 in game two was,

Speaker 4 it just shows you how deep that their team is i think that he is drew has continued to be overlooked um not just in this series but in throughout his entire career as well like he could have been a perennial all-star guy that could have asked for more um but he's certainly um gone throughout his career the right way and derrick white is somebody who just continues to impress he lit us up uh in the first round and you know when other guys

Speaker 4 you know weren't having great games or um they weren't shooting well or poor zingis went out in our series that you know he was able to step up and play extremely well um but back to you know marcus martin robert williams becoming uh drew and poor zingis they just unlocked so much for them when you have a guy that's 7'3 and that can stretch the floor and then can allow uh you know brown and tatum to operate how they want It's just impossible to guard.

Speaker 4 And they just throw so many different type of looks at you. And

Speaker 4 it's tough. It's why they've been the best team all year with the best record.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, you guys, you guys showed the roadmap of how to beat the Celtics. You just don't miss threes.
Just hit every three-point shot. Do you think that the Mavericks should try that?

Speaker 4 They should probably try that. I mean, what game one, I think they were, what did they shoot? Six for 26 and then maybe seven for 27

Speaker 4 in game two. Maybe I have that flip-flop, but they haven't been shooting the ball well from three.

Speaker 4 I mean, it's everybody knows that this game three is going to be the series, but they're a team that they always talk about, Missoula talks about playing the math game.

Speaker 4 They're going to get their threes up. They're going to continue to put guys on the island and then on defense, they're going to switch one through five and try to force you to not get those threes.

Speaker 4 They're going to try to funnel you towards the who, funnel you towards Horford, funnel you towards poor Zingas. They're going to switch.
They have a big lineup.

Speaker 4 You know, it's tough to get a lot of,

Speaker 4 you know, shots off.

Speaker 4 um of them if because they're crashing from the three-point line and you have to hope that you're going to get transition threes and easy transition shots against them because they find so many ways to punish you on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 4 But if you don't generate enough threes and make enough threes, you won't beat them.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Do role players actually play better at home?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think,

Speaker 4 I mean, Jaden Hardy was the only one that really did anything for Dallas in game one. I think he had, what, 13 points? And in game two, they just, there wasn't really, you know, much help

Speaker 4 from that side. But then it's funny, you you talk about role players, six-man, like you have Porzingis that comes out, hits his first few shots, ends up getting 20 points in limited minutes.

Speaker 4 I mean, that's it just shows you how good of a team that Boston is. But

Speaker 4 they play well at home.

Speaker 4 I think Dallas will certainly do the same. I think they'll shoot better.
I think they'll get more from their X-Factors. They were well balanced in game two throughout their starting lineup.

Speaker 4 I think everybody scored double figures, but

Speaker 4 you know, they're going to need more to beat this team. Game one was certainly ugly.
Game two

Speaker 4 was, you know, better in terms of, you know, a closer score. And they gave them, it was a lot more competitive game.

Speaker 4 But game three, there's certain things that need to happen, as we talked about, but my boy Kyrie Irving really has to step up in game three.

Speaker 1 I was going to ask that because you obviously know Kyrie very well, want to title with him. Like, what,

Speaker 1 do you think it's as easy as like he had two bad games and he can just flip the switch and like, he's, you know, he's got to, because he does have to play better.

Speaker 4 You know, going into this series the celtics are the better team overall if luca and kyrie can play out of their mind they have a fighter's chance but right now kyrie just hasn't played well he hasn't played well and what was he six for 19 and then seven for 18 in game two i you know it's it's it's not only about hitting shots he needs to you know when they come to double him or they switch off onto him he has to continue to create like i was waiting in in all the series leading up to the finals you always saw he kind of just let the game come to him in the first half and the second half he exploded.

Speaker 4 And so I was just sitting there the first two games, waiting for it, waiting for it, waiting for it. And

Speaker 4 yeah, he did have two bad games. Obviously, he has the history there in Boston.
I know he wants to prove himself. And I don't care what he says.

Speaker 4 He doesn't care. Maybe he likes those guys on that team, but he doesn't care for the city.

Speaker 4 Obviously,

Speaker 4 like we said, tomorrow game three is the series. They have to win that one.
But in order for that to happen, Kyrie has to be himself. And he just wasn't in those first two games.

Speaker 4 It's as simple as that. His shot making and his

Speaker 4 leadership this year has taken us such a

Speaker 4 huge stride and really taking that team to the next level. But it has to be that Batman and Robin with him and Luca.
And Luca has, again, more than done his part.

Speaker 4 He's been excellent in these playoffs. And

Speaker 4 yeah,

Speaker 4 he needs Kyrie to be his wingman.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Luca might be the best player in the world right now. Do you have a top five? Ooh.

Speaker 4 A top five in the world?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Top five in the world. It's very important.
Joker is. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Joker is.
But I'm always like, all things considered, right? So

Speaker 4 I think, you know, Joker is up there. Certainly Luca,

Speaker 4 SGA,

Speaker 4 and Bede,

Speaker 1 Giannis, Giannis.

Speaker 4 I mean, like, in that health plays a factor too. So like Joel, when he's at in peak form.
Yeah. And he's feeling good.

Speaker 4 Like if he was healthy throughout the playoffs, I believe that they do beat the Knicks. But then the Knicks, it's like they have guys banged up.
Randall's out.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 4 with teams as well, everybody gets done. I mean, look at us.
Jimmy was out.

Speaker 4 Terry Rogier was out. So, you know, I think that that health plays, you know, a big part in all that.
But top five, yeah, I'd probably say those guys.

Speaker 1 Good answers. You know, then

Speaker 1 dependent depend.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And I mean, maybe not in that order, but it's pretty close.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's definitely those five, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 Did you watch the end of the Timberwolves Maverick series when Rudy Gobera was trying to play defense on Luca and you were like i did that against steph curry i did i i didn't say exactly that when rudy was guarding him but i uh

Speaker 4 i i don't know i was kind of torn on how i felt about you know if i wanted the timberwolves to to win or not because i i do like the way how the you know the the way that their team is built anthony edwards how can you not enjoy watching him and love watching him play and as a competitor.

Speaker 4 You know, they play in different ways. I like how Nas Reed, Jay McDaniels, all those guys play.

Speaker 4 But yeah, I think you get put on that island by somebody like Luca.

Speaker 4 It's like I said, I just, you know, we've gone over that play in 2016, probably 200 times within the

Speaker 4 film sessions, the scout reports, the walkthrough. So, you know, when I switch out onto Steph during that possession, I kind of just.
try to keep my feet down, force him into a tough shot.

Speaker 4 And listen, he just missed the shot. Everybody said, oh, it's this great stop.
He kept his feet down, but he just missed the shot.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, you locked him up.
You locked him up. Come on.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I locked his ass up.

Speaker 4 But at the end of the day, like,

Speaker 4 what do you, if you're Rudy Gobert on any guard trying to switch out, he was on an island.

Speaker 4 I don't know what they were, what they were doing, where the help was, why they switched off, but I think, I don't know if it was McDaniels or who it was that they had gotten the switch.

Speaker 4 And when you slow it down, you had kind of seen his face just like, oh man, shit, here we go again. Yeah.
And that was it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So in terms of like the Mavericks in that locker room right now, because you obviously famously, you were on a team that was down two games.

Speaker 1 You were down 3-1 in the series against the Warriors. I know there's the whole, we can't panic, but what is it actually like?

Speaker 1 Is there a nervous energy of like, we're up against it right now?

Speaker 4 For sure. And I think that's also healthy, right?

Speaker 4 you it's important to you you want to feel like all right our back's up against the wall and you know i've been on teams where not only 16, but even, you know, last year when everybody counted us out and we made that finals run, our backs were against the wall.

Speaker 4 And we felt like that. We felt like it's just going to be us.
We have to step up. We have to play better.
But we can also, especially at home, play into our crowd. We're going to need them.

Speaker 4 It does matter. Home court advantage does matter.

Speaker 4 But everybody has to play their best. And I think in some ways, you also have to play like there's nothing to lose at the same time.
You have to play free because,

Speaker 4 you you know you can't go out there and be be shooting under 30 from three and expect to win so you have to be loose you have to be free and i think speaking of kyrie irvin too i think he has to you know because he's done it all year been been a real leader uh for this team and he's going to have to come out tomorrow and show them the way because he's he's won a championship he knows what it takes he's played extremely well in the finals

Speaker 4 um a few times and i think he's going to be the one that's going to have to set the tone for him. But I do think there's, you know,

Speaker 4 the healthy emotions and the appropriate fear of, hey, if we don't win this game, you know, this is probably it. So

Speaker 4 I think the Celtics also know and Missoula also know, like, hey, we're going to, this is going to be their Haymaker tomorrow that they're going to throw. And we have to withstand that.

Speaker 4 But I know that Jason Kidd will have them have him ready for tomorrow.

Speaker 1 And on the reverse side, I mean, you've been in series where you're up to.

Speaker 1 Do you find yourself having like, ah, we aren't playing with the same urgency? Because it does feel like that's the path here for the Mavs. They obviously have to win game three.

Speaker 1 And then you're hoping that game four is tight and you can, you know, go from there. Because there always does feel that psychology of game three, going back home, other teams up to O.

Speaker 1 Maybe they're not playing with the type of focus and energy that they should have.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think it's, you know, some people's natural instinct is to relax or to think it

Speaker 4 comes.

Speaker 4 I shouldn't say easy, but,

Speaker 4 you know, our route here to you know potentially winning a game three which could be a series and and championship uh deciding game um you know just to pull it back a little bit is probably all that um you know a team like dallas needs to you know use their crowd to use the city to use uh everybody you know stepping up and playing well to their advantage but i i do believe that there is something

Speaker 4 certainly to that when you when you talk about um

Speaker 4 you know the psychology of the game, you see that happen a lot. Guys, just it's a natural instinct just to relax.
All right, we're up 2-0. We have some breathing room.

Speaker 4 But I do believe that Tatum Brown or for the guys that have been there a while are going to make sure that that isn't the case.

Speaker 4 But until you actually get out there, lace them up and toss the ball up, you just never know.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's going to be interesting. And you were talking about Kyrie's leadership ability that he has this year or seems to have.
He seems like he's kind of matured a whole lot this season.

Speaker 1 We were saying that actually he needs to get back to the wild Kyrie. Like to completely,

Speaker 4 at least for this series, yeah, just go unhinged, bring the sage out, just

Speaker 4 bring the walking stick in. Like, if you do that and change that dynamic, say the earth is flat again, I think we might have a 40-point game out of Kyrie.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like that. He absolutely should.
But when you were playing with him, he might have been just a different guy because you mature as you get older. It's kind of human nature.
Was he

Speaker 1 is he a vocal leader? Do you know about him being like a very vocal presence in the locker room at Shoot Around? Or did did he like keep to himself most often

Speaker 4 most often he kept to himself um

Speaker 4 but i think

Speaker 4 to his point he knew when when when he spoke up or when he spoke up that um which wasn't often that guys were going to listen because you know he kind of um you know would catch you off guard when he did that so you wanted to um

Speaker 4 you know, kind of hang on his every word because he knew that it must have really been important to him for him to say something.

Speaker 4 But I think he always, at least least when he was around us, led by example and was one of those guys that was just incredible to play with and to watch.

Speaker 4 I tell everybody all the time, I've never seen a better,

Speaker 4 first of all, people talk about handle, talk about game.

Speaker 4 I think everybody says it now, but we looked at him and said, man, if he was 6'5 or 6'6, he'd be, you know, Kobe. And he already is, you know, so skilled.

Speaker 4 He has a crazy post-up game, handle, shot selection,

Speaker 1 best under the rim finisher that i've ever seen and in a five-on-five type of situation or scenario uh in practice i've never seen anybody better i've never seen anybody better than kyrie irving yeah what so uh question about coaching during the finals or the playoffs in general Has there been a specific moment where one of your coaches gave you guys a adjustment that like unlocked everything?

Speaker 1 Because I never know. I see it.
You see adjustments throughout the series, but I never know how much it's overrated or it's underrated.

Speaker 1 If the coaching in a series game to game really does get a team like, oh, once they made this switch, it just changed everything. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And I think now when you have all these advanced analytics and you have numbers that tell a story, there certainly are more adjustments

Speaker 4 to be made. But, you know, it's such a,

Speaker 4 you know, a small ball and switching type of league now that you have to find ways to take advantage of that

Speaker 4 as well as

Speaker 4 understand

Speaker 4 where and what the other team, where they're getting their best,

Speaker 4 where they're functioning at their best and where they're getting their most points per possession,

Speaker 4 depending on where we're sending a guy.

Speaker 4 Are we sending help? Are we going to double team them? Are we going to trap them? Are we going to send the low man? I mean, there's so many different things

Speaker 4 depending on the matchup that dictate what those

Speaker 4 different

Speaker 4 changes are going to be throughout the course of a game, the course of a series. It could be a lineup change.

Speaker 4 There's just so many different decisions that have to be made throughout the course of a seven-game series. And

Speaker 4 I'm sure there's one coming here in game three. What that is, I don't know.
I think Boston obviously is going to run it back and play the same way, but Jason Kidd is going to find a way to

Speaker 4 unlock them on the offensive end, which is

Speaker 4 going to be huge for them in game three.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, he already tried that Jalen Brown is the best team or player on the Celtics. Yeah, do you think that was a little desperate? Do you think that was a little desperate?

Speaker 1 Because it's like it was game after game one, and also those guys, we were joking on Sunday, like it feels like it was maybe like three or four years too late to do that because it it might have worked four years ago with those two guys, but it feels like they've been through so many wars together and matured so much that it they are kind of in this

Speaker 1 yeah, they don't care anymore and they just want to win. They don't care.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And it's funny, they, I think, uh, the, the, it was posted to Drew Holiday, like, hey, did you hear what uh

Speaker 4 Jason Kidd had said about uh Jalen Brown being the best player? He's like, well, he is.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 4 okay, what's the follow-up to that?

Speaker 1 There's no follow-up.

Speaker 4 And then, you know, Tatum at the game, too, was like, man, Gali, I need to.

Speaker 4 He literally said Gali, too. That's not me saying that.

Speaker 4 He said,

Speaker 4 you know, he's like, I need to make some shots.

Speaker 4 But he's like, if, why is it why am i focusing on myself right now making shots where we're winning two basketball games other guys are playing great and we you know haven't won a championship um what in 15 16 however many years it's been 08

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 4 why would i care about myself missing shots right now so jay i mean

Speaker 4 JB has been, Den Brown's been great for them throughout the playoffs. And at times, he really is their best player.
So I do think it was, yeah, maybe a few years too late.

Speaker 4 There's, you know, too much scar tissue. There's too many layers to be peeled back

Speaker 4 after so many tough losses for them, whether you're in the finals, Eastern Conference finals, that no, they don't, they don't care. They don't give a shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Probably smart on their part. Like, they've dealt with this enough.
If you say at the start of a season, maybe it gets in the guy's head, but they're like, this is too important right now.

Speaker 1 We're in the NBA Finals. This is what we work for.
Those mind game. Jason Kidd's going to need to spill a couple more Gatorades, I think.
Like, step up step up

Speaker 1 yeah the gatorade throw smart man yeah smart that's a great adjustment i've never seen that before that was it was really good uh got to ask you about bill walton so you guys have the the uc lake connection um bill was i i we can't call him a friend of ours we had him on the show one time but he's such a unique dude and uh an interesting person that he's a guy that will leave a mark on you whenever you meet him i'm assuming you got to spend a fair amount of time with bill and just curious to know from your perspective like any great Bill Walton stories or anything that's going to stick with you about getting to hang out with him?

Speaker 4 Just the type of person he was. I think that I was very fortunate to have been around him and got to spend time around

Speaker 4 Coach Wooden and Bill Walton at the same time, which for

Speaker 4 a 17-year-old was incredibly special. I think at the time,

Speaker 4 you know, I like to say it wasn't lost on me, but looking back and really understanding

Speaker 4 who they were and what they meant to the game of basketball. Obviously, Coach Wood in the overall game, but certainly the college basketball game, but Bill just

Speaker 4 everywhere. I mean, he was a force, a force of nature, somebody who was

Speaker 4 bigger than the game itself,

Speaker 4 made people feel a certain way.

Speaker 4 not only about him, but about life. Every time you were around him, you just felt like

Speaker 4 what life is supposed to be about like the goodness of him and him

Speaker 4 but i can remember the first time that i i spoke to him was when i was 16 years old i was getting um recruited by by ucla coach ben holland was um you know he wanted to me to to to take a call and you know it was about a 30-minute call because bill uh likes to speak and

Speaker 4 he

Speaker 4 just told me probably two minutes about UCLA basketball, a couple minutes about Coach Wooden and the tradition of excellence.

Speaker 4 But then he spoke about Pet Sounds, the Grateful Dead, the Beach Boys in that era for about 25 minutes. And I was like, man, what match? That guy was special.

Speaker 4 But he was just somebody who,

Speaker 4 again,

Speaker 4 I watched.

Speaker 4 Growing up, I watched the Boston Celtics outlet drills. I watched him on that 86 team,

Speaker 4 you know, being a six-man.

Speaker 4 They always said playing when he wanted to. Leaned on stories about him from Kevin McHale, my first year in Minnesota.
Obviously, furthering the big man tradition at UCLA was a huge thing for me.

Speaker 4 Me going there in 07, 08, and seeing his photo everywhere, hearing all the stories.

Speaker 4 It's funny. I know I'm a little bit all over the map here, but Bill was,

Speaker 4 he's just a

Speaker 1 very special guy that meant so much to the league and he will be uh solely missed for sure yeah um all right so kevin this has been awesome we we love having you on i had one last question for you it's a roback question r-h-o-b-ac-k.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts roback.com promo code take uh go right now so the olympics coming up yeah are you waiting to see if you make the team i'm not going to make the team this time we need to stand up for kevin Love, like people are doing for Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 1 Being like, this is bullshit. Please, if you want to grow the game, you have bullshit love in the Olympics.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, this is bullshit. But you did win a gold medal

Speaker 1 in 2012 in London. How awesome is it playing on the Olympic team, just being like, we're fucking, we're so much better than everyone?

Speaker 4 It's pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 4 but, you know, and a lot of these teams that you play against,

Speaker 4 especially now the the world game across the board has gotten so much better

Speaker 4 um and you see of of those players that we mentioned earlier in the top five what are four four out of the five um

Speaker 4 non-american yeah right so

Speaker 4 it's amazing to see where the game has gone even since 2012 uh with the olympics and 2010 with the the world championships where the game has grown to and also

Speaker 4 crazy you know when you when i look at those photos and you know you look to your left or your left you look to your right and you're like okay it's kobe it's a young kevin durant it's lebron it's carmelo it's russell westbrook yeah it's just like it's pretty wild to see um

Speaker 4 you know just how good that team was but now you look in 2024 at what that team is going to look like if and b does indeed play um you know in the starting five and throughout their entire team who they're going to put on the floor is really really going to be,

Speaker 4 you know, special to watch. And even though I didn't get picked for the team, I will still tune in and make sure that I'm checking that out.
Although the women's, I don't know.

Speaker 4 If Caleb Clark's on the team, I might not watch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jordan. That's what everyone's saying.
We're all boycotting. Yeah.
Yeah, boycotting.

Speaker 1 Do you agree that if Jason Tatum was from Eastern Europe, that he would be in a top five?

Speaker 4 That he would be in the top five?

Speaker 1 Yeah. A lot of people are having the conversation.

Speaker 4 If he was from Eastern Europe.

Speaker 1 Is it anti-American bias? Hank is just mad.

Speaker 1 Hank is mad because Jason Tatum is the sixth best guy or seventh best player in the league, and he gets upset that people don't put him as the third best player. No,

Speaker 1 this is a lie. They're gasping.
There's levels to this.

Speaker 4 There's a lot of chatter that, yeah, if you know, best player, best team,

Speaker 4 should he be in the top five?

Speaker 1 Plays defense, unlike Luca.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 Hanks gets spicy. Oh, Hanks.
I mean, that's got to to mean something.

Speaker 1 No, I think, listen,

Speaker 4 it's, yeah, it's, it's tough to say. I feel like this league is so,

Speaker 4 it's so much based on like your, your scoring output now, all the rules. Everything is pretty much,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 manufactured in order for guys to score. So I think you look at a guy like Luca, who's averaging, you know, he's averaging 30, then 31, 32, 33, then 4, 35 points a game.

Speaker 4 You know, and yeah, he's, they basically put him

Speaker 4 on the, you know, weak side block to play defense. So he just kind of has to tag guys in the, but he gets to save all his energy for offense.
Offense is his defense. But no, I get what you mean.

Speaker 4 Like Missoula, he does a great job of making sure that everybody that comes in,

Speaker 4 you have to guard your man. And if you switch, you have to, you have to, you know, make it hard for the next guy.
I think Tatum does a really good job of that.

Speaker 4 But yeah, I think it's hard for a lot of people to

Speaker 4 put him in their top five. And is that fair? I don't know, but if he ends up winning a championship, I don't really think he'll give a shit.

Speaker 1 We need it. We need this.
And you won't either, Hank. Yeah, you won't either.
We need this.

Speaker 1 We need the maps to at least win one game because it sucks that we're two games into the NBA Finals and we're doing like, where's Jason Tatum rank? But that's what Hank does to us. Shut up.

Speaker 1 I have never cared about the ranks. Gaslights.
No, no, no. I'm a team guy.
I'm a results guy. I just want to win.

Speaker 1 Kevin.

Speaker 4 Two games in, they have to win. And Hank's like, hey, I know a guest we should have on.
It's Kevin Love.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
He is our producer. Yeah.

Speaker 1 When it comes to the Olympics, what was that like for you?

Speaker 1 Did you have to stay in the same Olympic village as like every other athlete, or was there a special section for multi-millionaire superstar basketball players?

Speaker 4 The latter. There was a special section for us,

Speaker 4 you know, kind of in the epicenter of London at the time so we uh

Speaker 4 we didn't have we didn't stay in the uh the olympic village which was uh upsetting because it was i mean it's like you're you're you know back in a college type atmosphere and um you're in you're in the dorms and uh you just get to be around every other country every other athlete and you know kind of break bread with them but we uh we visited but we

Speaker 4 USAB, we kind of had our spot off to the side and took a little bit tougher

Speaker 4 route logistically to get to where we needed to be. But again, staying in the village would have been an experience.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
Well, Kevin, thank you as always, man. We appreciate it.
When the heat comes to town next year in Chicago, you got to come by and check out the new office. We'll maybe

Speaker 1 run us through some drills, but appreciate it. And we'll talk to you soon, man.

Speaker 4 All right, gentlemen. Appreciate you.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up the show with part in your take.

Speaker 1 Breaking Moose. What's Breaking Moose?

Speaker 1 Aaron Rodgers is not attending minicamp, and it is not excused per Robert Sala. So he's going to get fined.
He said Rogers had a previous engagement in an event that is important to him.

Speaker 1 Wait, minicamp? No one goes to minicamp. It's not excused.
It's not excused.

Speaker 1 He's at an event. Who cares? The ayahuasca Olympics? Hmm.
He's probably doing some

Speaker 1 politics stuff.

Speaker 1 Maybe at the sphere of the company. Wait, so it's not company?

Speaker 1 Why would Robert

Speaker 1 say it's excuse and not make it a whole

Speaker 1 like you're just basically asking for it to be a headline for no reason? Yeah. Good job, memes.
Way to figure it out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is a nothing burger. Nothing burger.
Nothing. He's been to all voluntary OTAs.
Unexcused. Right, so but that's our point.

Speaker 1 If it's a nothing burger, why wouldn't you just make it a nothing burger? Yeah, and he should have just said it's excused, and then you give

Speaker 1 the Florios of the world a headline. Oh, the Florios.
Right, right. What does that mean? The Florios.
How many Florios are there? There's so many Florios. Okay, name.
So many Florios.

Speaker 1 Who are your top three Florios right now? Based on the two I saw.

Speaker 1 So Florios one. Uh-huh.
Okay. Matt Miller.
He's an NFL scout. Wait, Florio's the number one Florio.
Florio's number one Florios. And still.
Okay. And still.

Speaker 1 Matt Miller, two. 2 I just saw I think he works for ESPN and Diana Rossini Diana's the number three Florio yeah wow sounds like a little anti-Italian bias there

Speaker 1 Matt Miller include Rich Samini in there threw Matt Miller in there ah rich is fine so wow Diana is the damn

Speaker 1 number three Florio brutal okay

Speaker 1 We've got a lot of Florios out there. A lot of Florios.
Also, Max, what's this Ben Simmons, Jason Tatum thing thing you keep retweeting?

Speaker 1 People kept tagging me in it, and I just wanted to tell them to stop tagging me. Okay, so what is it?

Speaker 1 It was just like a stat line that said that Ben Simmons had better stats than Jason Tatum does in these playoffs.

Speaker 1 In what way? In the finals. Ben Simmons was in the finals? No, no, no, just like in his career

Speaker 1 compared to these finals.

Speaker 1 Jason Tatum is just playing like

Speaker 1 Jason Tatum is just playing like Ben Simmons in these finals. He's averaging almost a triple-double.
So did Ben Simmons in the regular season. Yeah, but that happened.

Speaker 1 And what happened in the playoffs? I told people to stop tagging me. Do you think that this is a good sign? I don't want you to get people to stop tagging you in some of that.
Yes, I did it.

Speaker 1 I wanted them to stop. That's all.
It's sad how much people hate.

Speaker 1 Like, really?

Speaker 1 But even I'm reading the first question that Memes sent, Memes Hands Pixies, and he goes, hey, PMT boys and Mabs, Max, my take is that Jason Tatum is the NBA equivalent of Brock Purdy.

Speaker 1 Like, that is just...

Speaker 1 You have to reach so hard as a hater to come to that conclusion. You really do.
I respect it, though. Same with Ben Simmons.
I respect it.

Speaker 1 He's a system guard or system number three. It's the okay, but Hank, you are partially to blame for this.
No. Yes, you are.
No.

Speaker 1 Because the Jason Tatum discourse sucks because people try to put him in this top three, top five range. He's not.
But there's a big difference. Like, I think the best

Speaker 1 leader of the team that's the best team in the NBA and then potentially wins the NBA championship. Yeah, those conversations deserve to be had.
Luca doesn't play defense. Jason Tatum is awesome.

Speaker 1 Jason Tatum plays not

Speaker 1 on the same level as Luca and Jokic

Speaker 1 and like Giannis.

Speaker 1 It's just not the same. But I don't really care as much about the individual disposition.
But the problem is... I just want the Celtics to win.

Speaker 1 But the problem is whenever, no, because it's crazy how much people like Jason Tatum. Oh, wait, wait.

Speaker 1 That's not true because every time I've said, when I said Luca was better than Tatum, you're like, you're a fucking Tatum hater. You got mad at me for that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay, so then it's not true that, like, that's my point: is that you get when I say people just diminish him.
They give him, like, oh, he's not a fucking top five, top ten.

Speaker 1 Like, Shay has been good for one year.

Speaker 1 But when I say that's not true, when I say that top five level, no, but he's been, he's not, it's not just this is the first year that he's ever been good at basketball as a top five player.

Speaker 1 Uh, he was really good the year before. Wasn't he really good the year before? And actually, I would not say he was a top five player until no, he wasn't.

Speaker 1 But Tatum is not, Tatum is not a top-five player either. He's like seven, which is fine, which is awesome.
But that's it's close enough where the conversation can be had.

Speaker 1 Oh, I think there's levels to it that it's very different. But putting Shai in there and just being like, oh, yeah, he's 100% top five.
He had a good year. Wait, I didn't say Shay

Speaker 1 was in the top five right now. Got it.

Speaker 1 Also, I'm not. You pretending like you don't get triggered anytime anyone says anything even remotely bad about Tatum is a fucking

Speaker 1 minds people saying this is Max, you're right.

Speaker 1 Max loves this because he knows I'm right.

Speaker 1 You're a liar for somebody. I am open to criticism.
I'm open to discourse. No,

Speaker 1 it's not true. Once you throw Ben Simmons

Speaker 1 for the record I've heard didn't want people to tag me in that. But you're being completely disingenuous.
Oh, this is gaslighting here. No, no, I'm not.
You're pretending.

Speaker 1 Hank's saying I am completely open to criticism. Open to criticism is ridiculous.
I take more criticism than anyone else.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you're not open to it. I'm super open to it.
Bring it on.

Speaker 1 I think you invite

Speaker 1 you invite criticism.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I exist. Yes.
That's the issue. Yeah, that's it.
Also, this stack comparison is very funny because it's comparing Tatum's finals, of which we have a sample size of two games.

Speaker 1 Well, no, he's against Warriors. Oh, no, 2024 finals.
It's just this year's finals. And it's being compared to Simmons' entire rookie year and also only outside of the restricted area.
So

Speaker 1 they kept throwing little cats together. I defended Tatum's game two performance when people were saying he was trash.

Speaker 1 You are disingenuous. You are.
That's not true. You are.
Because anytime I would say that Tatum is up in that upper level, you'd be like, you fucking just hate him. So the rest is still unwritten.

Speaker 1 But calling him 6-7 is not an insult. I never said it was.
Yes, you have. But I think a conversation could be made for calling him top five.

Speaker 1 So the fact is, his game two, if you're just basing him, especially when a beat is in the conversation. The average player are not like the standard average in the game.
Winning player matters. Jason

Speaker 1 played a good

Speaker 1 game compared to

Speaker 1 matter. The guys on your teammates did not play a good game compared to what you would expect from a game.
Staying healthy should matter.

Speaker 1 Sure. But the guys on your team matter.
The Celtics have an awesome team. Tatum's an awesome player.
He's not the same as the top three or four guys in the league.

Speaker 1 You're making people hate Jason Tatum. Yes, that's my point.

Speaker 1 He has made it because I'm reacting to Tatum. He wants Jason Tatum.

Speaker 1 He's considered in the level of the best player in the league. He's just not, but that's okay.

Speaker 1 It doesn't mean that he's bad. He's really fucking good.
He's going to have a career where he's like the fifth to seventh best player for a decade plus. It's going to be a Hall of Fame career.

Speaker 1 You said five.

Speaker 1 Sixth to seventh best player for a decade plus. It's crazy.
Anytime you are on him. Anytime somebody hates on Jason Tatum, they're really hating on Hank.

Speaker 1 And you're becoming an avatar of everybody that is a pain in the ass to root for Hank.

Speaker 1 Yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1 I'm just defending my guy.

Speaker 1 Which I respect.

Speaker 1 What is your guys' thoughts on if college football did a March Madness style bracket with 68 instead of their playoffs? You'd have so much football and hit on so many overs all the way from Canada.

Speaker 1 Are you talking about the regular season? Yeah, that would be the regular season. No football wouldn't work.
What do you think is the perfect number of teams for college football playoffs?

Speaker 1 I kind of like 12.

Speaker 1 I think 16. Get four extra games.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I kind of like 12.
Well, I think

Speaker 1 they need to get rid of the conference championship because that feels like it should just be the top two are automatically in.

Speaker 1 Like the conference championship should actually be the third and the fourth best team playing to get into the college football playoff, not the first and second.

Speaker 1 That would get like Michigan and Ohio State, though, are going to be playing for, say, Michigan and Ohio State played for a conference championship. They're both already going to be in the playoff.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So it's like an added game that doesn't really, I know it's the home field advantages at stake, but

Speaker 1 the only thing I would like to see is like I would like, I'm always in favor of as many ways for teams to play their way in.

Speaker 1 Leave it less to the voters. It would be weird, though, if it was a conference championship and it was the third and the fourth best team.
You just didn't call it a conference championship game.

Speaker 1 You just called it a

Speaker 1 play-in game, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, you know what I mean? Like, I like being able to play as many games on the field as possible, so it's not a judge, judged, like, oh, this team's resume versus this team's resume. Just play it out.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Maybe you get Florida State to play against the second-place team in the Big Ten, and then Florida State can beat them.
Then they're in. 16 teams?

Speaker 1 16. 12 to 16 is good, but I hope they don't expand it any further than that.
No, no, I think that's the limit. Because once you get past 12, 16,

Speaker 1 it's teams that have some big flaws that would really,

Speaker 1 I don't think, like, deserve to play for a uh national title

Speaker 1 hey big cat pft hank and my brother max from philly not enough people are talking about how luca doesn't play defense and that if jason tatum was europe then everyone would be glazing him as hard as wait i thought memes set it up for you yeah this was a good one oh interesting if jason tatum was european if he was if he was slovak what would happen

Speaker 1 you didn't even read the brock purdy one

Speaker 1 yeah you didn't read the brock well yeah i stopped at the first sentence because it was so stupid. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 But you basically just said that Brock Purdy has good players around him, and he's a good player, but he has good players around him, which makes him a better player.

Speaker 1 But remember, Hank's open to criticism. He just won't finish the question.
Well, you just started screaming. No, you started.

Speaker 1 I'm disingenuous. No, you said that.

Speaker 1 That's a bold.

Speaker 1 Those are fighting words. You are.

Speaker 1 I'm not. I'm genuous as fuck.
Okay. Brock Purdy was almost the MVP.
True.

Speaker 1 Take that as a compliment. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Would you say that Brock Purdy is one of the top three QBs at any point?

Speaker 1 It's

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 No, I would not. Oh, interesting.
And the fact that, like, it's.

Speaker 1 He's had nothing but success.

Speaker 1 Brock Purdy has not had nothing but success.

Speaker 1 He literally has had nothing but success. He was a six-round pick.
He was a six-round pick. Oh, well, that's not

Speaker 1 draft order now? Well, yeah, if he had nothing but success, he would have been successful in college. He would have been successful.
You know, he would would have got drafted higher.

Speaker 1 How successful was Jason Tatum in college? He scored a lot. He was good.
Brock Purdy scored a lot of good. He had been drafted three.

Speaker 1 AWL Robbie for Max, which will happen first, the process being completed or Max during the lottery ball. Oh, that's a good question.

Speaker 1 The problem is the process, we've talked about this, will never be complete. They can keep it going forever.
It's always up for debate, yeah. Yeah, it's really the butterfly effect.

Speaker 1 Unless they win, then it's complete. Then it's complete.
Yeah. But that's not going to happen.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, last one. What's up, Maddie? My theory is if Tennessee Titans draft Matt Leinert, not Vince Young, the Titans would have won at least one Super Bowl.
No.

Speaker 1 03-04, USC wins the natty back-to-back. 05, the Titans hire Norm Chow.
USC makes it back to the natty in 05, but narrowly lose to Texas.

Speaker 1 The Tits owner, Bud Adam, being a Texas guy, drafts Young with third overall. The Tits end up drafting Lindell White in the second, and Leinhardt went 10th overall.

Speaker 1 Now, you cannot tell me if we had almost three Pete national champ OC, Heisman QB, backup powerback, and two years later draft CJ2K, that the Tits wouldn't have at least one Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 It's some all-time fan fiction. These are also the years the Titans had Bullock, KVB, and PFT's boy Albert Hainsworth on defense.
Interested to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 1 So basically, you're saying, like, just keep USC together.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're trying to do it with the Egyptian. Yeah, keep the USC together.
They're doing what the Eagles. They're like the Eagles.
No, the Knicks.

Speaker 1 The Eagles, too. But Knicks with

Speaker 1 Knicks with Nova.

Speaker 1 I don't mind this level of cope because then you can just look back and say, yeah, we basically won a Super Bowl. Yeah.
But also, Vince Young was very, very good his rookie year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He showed some promise. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did he win rookie of the year? He did. Yeah.
And now he's reduced to playing pro-ams on the golf tour. Yeah, doing interviews.

Speaker 1 Wasn't he on Madden cover? He was. Yes, he was.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Hank, do you...

Speaker 1 I feel like we didn't end this thing. No, we're good.
We got two games left.

Speaker 1 I just can't wait for him to drop like 240 pieces and wins, and then it's like. So what happens if he doesn't?

Speaker 1 And we win the championship, that he's still the leader of a championship team. Hank, have you thought about what has to happen if the Celtics win? Yes.
Someone reminded me of that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You have to shave your head. Okay.

Speaker 1 Great. Yeah.
I'll get to it. Good.
Wait, what do you mean you'll get to it? I mean, we just don't like. I'll get to it.
You're just never going to do it. Eventually.

Speaker 1 When's that?

Speaker 1 You told Derrick White you would do it. And I will.
And we'll have Derek White back on and be like, why isn't your head shaved?

Speaker 1 What's your answer? If he's here, if he comes back in here, I'll give you a shot. No, no, no, no.
He'll be on the show. You said that you would do it.
I will do it. That's my answer.

Speaker 1 So when he comes back on the show,

Speaker 1 no, I give you my word that I will shave my head if the Celtics win a championship. So when he comes back on the show, you'll make sure that your head's shaved for him? I will do it.

Speaker 1 Are you saying that you're not going to do it now? I will do it. So are you when Derek White is back on the show after the Celsius win the title and he's like, hey, where's my guy Hank?

Speaker 1 DMT still doesn't have a perm. I'm like, I have at least two years.
I don't know when that bet was from, but you've given me a two-year window to shave my head. All-time deflection.

Speaker 1 Once you get the perm, that's when the window closes. That's the statue of limitation.
Memes. When we have to pay off our bets,

Speaker 1 call up the perm. Get the perm people.

Speaker 1 I'm willing to do the perm at any time.

Speaker 1 He's always been willing to do the perm. That's what I'm saying.
Like, I will shave my head. Always willing.
I will definitely shave my head.

Speaker 1 Memes told me what's happening in the live stream when I got the tattoo. I was ready to do both.
Don't know what happened to the perm person.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but don't, but once you close the perm bet, then that's the window that I have to shave my head.

Speaker 1 No, Hank, now you're being disingenuous.

Speaker 1 He's being very ingenuous as fuck all day.

Speaker 1 You're the leader of the show. Hank, you are the host of part of my take.
You're the host. You're being disingenuous, Hank.
No, I'm being genuous. I don't think it's a word.
It is.

Speaker 1 And Hank's being it. It's literally just look at Hank right now, disingenuous.
Wait, you don't think disingenuous is a word? No, genuous. Oh, no, genuous, definitely not a word.
No, but that's fine.

Speaker 1 Genuine. Genuine.
Genuine. Yeah.
He's being a genuine genuine. Genuine.
Winona Ryder.

Speaker 1 Gotcha. It is Winona Judd.
That's where I learned Winona Jydy.

Speaker 1 It's Winona Ryder.

Speaker 1 She's going to take whatever I call her. Disingenuous.

Speaker 1 I'm a man of my word.

Speaker 1 What bet have I not paid off? Wait, we need to go back and look at the actual transcript of that.

Speaker 1 Did you say that there was like a time frame when you'd shave your head? No. Yeah, right after.
No, the championship. As you guys were saying it, I knew.
Stop it. Like,

Speaker 1 if the perm bet?

Speaker 1 You knew in the back of your head that the perm bet wasn't. Well, it's like you guys have set the example.
You guys are the leaders of the show. What have I not done?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I could find something.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 But PFT, like, I'm willing to do that. Factor fiction.

Speaker 1 Factor fiction. Like, there's not much I can can do.
The perm hurts. The perm hurts.

Speaker 1 If there's a perm, if there's a perm-capable person that's in the building right now, I'll get a perm right now.

Speaker 1 I've never tried to stop the perm. I've actively encouraged it.

Speaker 1 All right, let's finish up numbers. I will shave my head if the Celtics win a championship.
For Derrick White when he comes back on

Speaker 1 next season. No.
Do you think that maybe... You don't have a choice.
Again,

Speaker 1 if you're upset with me, get upset with him. All right.
So you're upset with me, look in the mirror, buddy. Worst case scenario.
When was the perm bet? That was the Eagles.

Speaker 1 So that's November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June. Eight months.
Okay, great. Middle of December.
Look at the transcripts. Hank said, yeah, I'll shave my head when we win.
When?

Speaker 1 You said when we win.

Speaker 1 All right, numbers. Eight.
18. 20.
Three.

Speaker 1 Did you say 20? I said 20. I'll do 56.
Yeah, you paused on it. I don't know what was going on there.
Yeah, that's all name. You ever gotten it? 89.
99. No.
Do you want to switch? I just said that. No.

Speaker 1 Oh, you did? No.

Speaker 1 You don't want to switch?

Speaker 1 88.

Speaker 1 21.

Speaker 1 44.

Speaker 1 Halfway there.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 1 Love you guys.

Speaker 1 home to say, I'm safe anyway.

Speaker 1 Today isn't my day to find you, shine it away.

Speaker 1 I'm coming for your love of

Speaker 1 Sayon.

Speaker 1 Take

Speaker 1 me on

Speaker 1 me

Speaker 1 after

Speaker 1 I won't say that's about me, it's the word

Speaker 1 Further by this I can't say unto me

Speaker 1 It's no better to be safe than some Say unto me

Speaker 1 It's no better to be safe than some

Speaker 1 Say

Speaker 1 gone

Speaker 1 Say

Speaker 1 me

Speaker 1 I'll be young

Speaker 1 in a day or two

Speaker 1 all the things that you say

Speaker 1 in the last one. Just to pay my flurries away.

Speaker 1 All the things I've got to remember. You shine away

Speaker 1 through all the comfort anyway.

Speaker 1 You shine away.

Speaker 1 We're all the true blue anyway.

Speaker 1 Take on

Speaker 1 me.

Speaker 1 Take

Speaker 1 me up.

Speaker 1 I'll be gone

Speaker 1 We're up nights again

Speaker 1 We're up nights again

Speaker 1 We're up all night again

Speaker 1 We're up all night again

Speaker 1 I'll

Speaker 1 be gone

Speaker 1 We're up nights again

Speaker 1 We're up all night again

Speaker 1 We're up all night

Speaker 1 We're up all night to get lucky

Speaker 1 We're up all night to get lucky We're up all night to get lucky

Speaker 1 We're up all night to get lucky We're up all night to get lucky We're up all night to get lucky We're up all night to get lucky