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Speaker 1 And speaking of Mike Breen, the NBA Finals are set. We're going to talk about our first impressions: Mavs versus Celtics.
Also, say goodbye to the Timberwolves. And a hell of a run, but fall short.

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Speaker 1 and we have an NBA Finals. The Dallas Mavericks versus the Boston Celtics.
Hank is wearing his Boston Remembers shirt with lucky stomping on Kyrie. It's a JFK Revenge Series.
It is.

Speaker 1 And we're ready to go. The NBA Finals are set.
We had a moment. So we obviously had a week with Memorial Day.
We had a show on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 The Timberwolves won on Tuesday night, and then tonight they got eliminated. Credit to the Timberwolves for not getting swept.
Anthony Edwards says he's never been swept in his career.

Speaker 1 He did also say I've only been in three playoff series, so or four playoff series. So he was kind of talking like a 20-year-old, 20-year vet in the NBA.
Yeah. But never been swept.

Speaker 4 Never been swept. That's important.
It's important to keep a clean sheet on the sweeps. Adam Silver, very happy that we at least got one more game.
A little closer.

Speaker 4 It would have been weird if the series just ended on Tuesday night, then we had to wait a very long time for the NBA Finals to start. We still do.
We still do. Still do.
It could have been worse.

Speaker 4 They called in Scott Foster.

Speaker 4 Everyone was like, oh, Scott Foster, the extender. He tried to give that game to the Mavericks on Tuesday.
Tried his very best. Yes.
His very damnedest. But yeah, went five games.

Speaker 4 Timberwolves fans, Minnesota fans. I don't know if you're listening to this show.
My guess is you probably are. I think Timberwolves fans are probably

Speaker 4 very happy with how this season went. Obviously not happy with the series, but I'd say they're not happy right now.

Speaker 4 But getting to a Western Conference final, if you look at perspective in the Giannis terms, it was a good season for you.

Speaker 4 Good year.

Speaker 1 They lost to a team that couldn't beat them.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's true. And also, if you're a Timberwolves fan,

Speaker 4 God bless you because

Speaker 4 you have to root for Carl Anthony Townsend. He must be so infuriating to root for.

Speaker 1 You're doing some stat patting tonight.

Speaker 4 I'm just saying, he is probably the hardest player to fully delude yourself into getting behind in the Rudy Gobert's pretty fire.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 They're on the same team, but I feel like you can be like, oh, Rudy, we don't expect anything from him on offense.

Speaker 1 Which was a weird strategy when they were like, let's run the offense through Rudy in the first quarter. I think he had like six or seven shots.

Speaker 4 They'll never see it coming. Yeah.
But yeah, Carl Anthony Times. And to his credit, he played really, really well in game four.
He did. He had a great game four.
Bounce back game.

Speaker 4 He could not be as bad as he's been in the past. And yeah, he had that blip.
That was his legacy game. Yep.
It was game four. And then it's just so

Speaker 4 infuriating to see a guy who's that big be so passive.

Speaker 1 And also, like, cannot wipe a smile off his face. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I, I,

Speaker 1 I was saying this. I can't remember.
I didn't even remember when I was saying this because it feels like all these weeks have just blended together.

Speaker 1 Uh, but when they show, like, going into break and they do the bumps, and it's like Luca, like, staring at someone, Kyrie, like, crossover, Ant yelling in the crowd, and then they show Carl Anthony Towns, it always looks like he's been practicing whatever he's doing for 20 minutes in the mirror right before they came out.

Speaker 1 Yeah. God, this is my pumped-up face.

Speaker 4 This is my three-point Dougie.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's kind of smiling, and you're like, God damn it. Yeah, they were stat-padding tonight.
Also, the Timberwolves. You lost the game the minute you went with those jerseys.

Speaker 4 Terrible jerseys. Terrible.

Speaker 4 You got the good classic ones. Well, it's two things.

Speaker 1 Max, I saw your face.

Speaker 1 After I looked at him a little more, Max, Max can't speak. So when I sat down next to him to watch the game, he's like,

Speaker 1 I was like, yeah, the jerseys.

Speaker 4 Yeah, jerseys are terrible.

Speaker 1 That's exactly how it happened. He couldn't get it out, but I knew, I know his brain so well that when we flipped on the game, he just started making grunts.

Speaker 1 I was like, Max, downboy, I know the jerseys are different.

Speaker 4 Those are okay. They're not back against the wall jerseys.
No. Those are game two jerseys.
Yeah. Bring those out, preferably a game two on the road, wear those uniforms.

Speaker 1 Profitly a game two of the season. Yes.
In October.

Speaker 4 That's an in-season tournament jersey. Yes.
That's what you should be wearing that for. And then they made their half-court logo bigger, which is stupid.

Speaker 4 I like it when it's the only small logo in the league. I like it.
It stands out because it's so small. And they're falling into the trap that everybody else has been doing.

Speaker 4 I think we've talked about it on the show. The half-court logos are getting bigger so that the announcements can be like another logo three.

Speaker 1 Another logo three.

Speaker 1 Hank,

Speaker 1 you want to just be...

Speaker 1 You want to... I was saying before we should maybe get some headphones for you for the Luka glazing so you can put them on so you don't have to hear.
No, bring it.

Speaker 1 It's going to be to one of your last couple. This game was over.
Get him in. This game was over when Luka Doncic outscored the Timberwolves in the first quarter by himself.
He could not miss.

Speaker 1 He was hitting shots and the net wasn't moving. He hit Stadthole.
Our guy Stadthole

Speaker 1 texted me. He said that he hit 165 feet worth of shots in the first quarter.

Speaker 4 That's so many feet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that's, it ties Steph Curry for most feet on shots made in first quarter. Wow.
Playoff games. Huge

Speaker 4 in history.

Speaker 1 Curry did it versus Boston in 2022.

Speaker 1 That's incredible. Those are the two best.
165 feet of shots. It's a lot of shots, Hank.
It's a lot of feet. That's so many feet.

Speaker 4 You know how many feet? Cool stat. You know how many feet the court is?

Speaker 4 99. I think it's 94, right? Yeah.
94 feet. I know ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's like.

Speaker 1 What was that? 99 bucks. That's a court and a half worth of feet.

Speaker 4 It's pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 That's a pretty impressive stat. Also, are you okay with the glazing? No,

Speaker 1 again, like, you're not going to have many left i hope i want you to get them in while you can the tuesday tuesday nights game i know the mavs lost and it was i i i do like put a little

Speaker 1 what are you gonna say i'm just i i i don't know how you're gonna glaze luca from from tuesday but yeah i am don't worry i'm gonna land the plane um and i i i made fun of the the that's a pro that's a pro glazer that's a

Speaker 1 what no no no what go ahead no go ahead you're not getting upset though go ahead jay glazer yeah

Speaker 1 i'm a pro pro-Glazer. Okay.

Speaker 1 I do give the Timberwolves a little bit of credit for not giving up because they gave up tonight, but they didn't get swept. And I made fun of the Anthony Edwards quote, but

Speaker 1 I love Anthony Edwards, and I like how he's wired. And I actually think in a weird way, he probably at halftime was in game five being like, they still can't beat us down 30 or whatever.

Speaker 1 The Luka lob to Derrick Jones was one of the coolest lobs I've ever seen. He threw an alley oop when Derrick Jones was still past the three-point line.

Speaker 1 And it was like the most, his lobs are just so precise.

Speaker 1 They lost the game, Hank.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 do you know what lob I'm talking about? It was a good lob. And he had that kickout, drive, pass.

Speaker 4 Oh, the kickout, drive, pass. That's going to go down as one of the best assists that will never show up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because

Speaker 4 it was one of the best passes I've ever seen. Hit it off the back rim.

Speaker 1 He threw a lob that Derrick Jones was behind the three-point line

Speaker 1 when it released his hands. Yeah, when Luca threw the ball and it was just a perfect, perfect pass.
Luca's really good, Max. I mean, Hank, I just said Max.

Speaker 4 He is a good player.

Speaker 1 They're a good team.

Speaker 4 He's a really good player. He did have a heat check of a lob tonight, though.
He was feeling himself in the lobs a little bit, and he threw one that went, I think it went over the backboard.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a great lob. It's a great lob.
It's a great lob. Good luck.
All right, so that was my glazing of Luca. He is

Speaker 1 really fucking good.

Speaker 4 Most feet in lob.

Speaker 4 He had 20 feet worth of lobs.

Speaker 1 Hank's acting all cocky right now. He was watching that game uneasily.
Oh, he was a good one. I wanted a good game.
I wanted to keep watching basketball. I don't want to wait until he was.

Speaker 1 He's like, this is pathetic what the T-Wolves are doing. He's just.

Speaker 4 You're afraid of Luca, though.

Speaker 1 I knew we were playing the Mavs. There was no doubt in my mind we were playing the Mavs.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but you saw what Luca did in the first quarter.

Speaker 1 Factor fiction, that was an embarrassing, disgusting performance in an elimination game from the Timberwolves. Yeah, no, especially the second half when they were sat padding.
I agree.

Speaker 1 But it was also the game was over because Luca was. That's just unbiased.
Luca outserved.

Speaker 1 But you agree that the game was over when Luca came out and said, I'm going to beat the Timberwolves by myself in the first quarter. Yeah, I mean, the series was over when they went up 3-0.
Right.

Speaker 1 But that was when you go up 3-0 and then you lose game four, and then you go back to the other guy's gym. And it's like, okay, if the T-Wolves come out hot here, we could have an interesting scenario.

Speaker 1 Luca basically shut that all down by himself. It was like, there's no, I'm giving you no hope.
I'm giving you no chance. I'm going to hit 165 feet of shots.
That's a lot of feet, Hank.

Speaker 1 Just say it's a lot of feet. It's a lot of feet.
It's a lot of feet. Who the fuck tracks feet? Jerry.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it's a lot of feet. It's a lot of feet.
If there was, I will say that they're

Speaker 1 just getting triggered by a foot. Yeah,

Speaker 4 you have the opposite of a foot fetish.

Speaker 1 165 feet.

Speaker 1 It's just, you're mad about that. The Celtics almost did it last year, and obviously it's never happened in the NBA, but when it does happen in the NBA, it will happen almost like it did last year.

Speaker 1 And I thought potentially maybe this year where it's going to be the home team. If the Timberburls win tonight, they somehow win game six.
They have home game seven. Hank's very selective.

Speaker 4 He's very selective

Speaker 4 in

Speaker 4 his opinions about feet because he does not like the feet stat, but all he thinks about is Kyrie Irving's feet on Lucky's face. You can't count one foot and then not count the other.

Speaker 4 Do you not like feet? Is that why it didn't work out with Timothy?

Speaker 1 I've never been a foot guy. I don't really understand the appeal.
But 165 feet. That's a lot of feet.

Speaker 1 That's a lot of feet.

Speaker 1 Hank, you bring up a good point that the 3-0 coming back,

Speaker 1 it's very, very hard to do. Never been done in the NBA.
The only solace that I think Minnesota fans should have tonight, well, one is that you have Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 1 And I don't know what Carl Anthony Towns, like PFT said, is maddening to root for.

Speaker 4 I don't think there's a word to describe. We need to figure out.

Speaker 4 Like, we need to maybe invent a word like the Germans would do to describe Carl Anthony Towns and how frustrating it is to watch him if you're a fan of his and to see how aloof he is in the biggest moments.

Speaker 1 Well, I also, Carl Anthony Towns is a self-proclaimed best big man shooter of all time.

Speaker 1 I feel like you have to have post moves, like really good post moves to be able to say that,

Speaker 1 to claim that. Right.
You're just a tall shooter.

Speaker 4 Otherwise, he's just kind of like a chubby KD.

Speaker 1 Right. You're a tall shooter.
Yeah. That's it.
But you're not a big man.

Speaker 4 No. There's a difference between being tall and being a big man.

Speaker 1 Back someone down in the post.

Speaker 1 But the solace for the Timber Worlds fans, because this was a very fun season, and it got a little crazy with the Anthony Edwards hype, which was not Anthony Edwards' fault, not Timber Worlds fans' fault.

Speaker 1 Media, I took some blame for it as well. I fell in love with watching Anthony Edwards play basketball.

Speaker 1 This actually, in a weird way, you didn't have a classic Minnesota loss.

Speaker 1 A classic Minnesota loss would have been winning game five and then like losing game six in a buzzer beater or something.

Speaker 1 So like not like, yeah, because it wouldn't be classic Minnesota loss to get all the way to game seven. You can't get all the way there, but getting like a play away from being a game away.

Speaker 4 I think if you get to game seven and you get blown out like you did tonight, that's a Minnesota loss.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but this was not a Minnesota loss. Yeah, because it was like, you know, you had the moment like, oh, we won one game.
Who knows what's going to happen? And then it was just over.

Speaker 4 It's just the better team won. Yeah, it was just over.

Speaker 1 Well, that's it.

Speaker 1 Anthony Edwards still doesn't know if they can beat him.

Speaker 4 Didn't get swept.

Speaker 1 Didn't get swept. Kyrie also is playing insane basketball right now.
Kyrie's a great player. Derek Lively is back, which is very important.
I think he's their leader in plus-minus.

Speaker 1 He's very important to their team.

Speaker 4 Chris Dopps.

Speaker 1 Back.

Speaker 1 Working his way back. He posted today.
I said, see you in the finals. All right.
Love that. All right.
So let's talk about the finals. Let's talk about it.
Let's talk about the finals.

Speaker 4 Can I glaze Lucky real quick? Yeah. Yes.
Let me glaze Lucky. Please.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Kyrie Irving has lost his last 10 games against lucky and the sage remember he saged he saged it yeah but the sage didn't take sage didn't take do you think he'll re-sage i think he should re-sage oh man you think he's gonna re-sage what will you do if he re-sages i mean saging is whatever spiritual i don't really have a problem with that but what would you do if he re-sages because that might be the sage that takes

Speaker 1 no i mean that's it's

Speaker 4 i think you believe in that that's all for you but like this could be a mistake the only way to defeat Sage is with crystals.

Speaker 1 Yep. You got to get some.
You need to jerk off crystals.

Speaker 4 You got to get some crystals.

Speaker 1 We could re-sage right back.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah. Get some Sage for the gambling cave.

Speaker 1 If he sages, I will.

Speaker 1 Hank,

Speaker 1 are you going to be on the wood at any point in this

Speaker 1 series?

Speaker 1 I don't think so. Well, A, I don't think Dave's inviting me, but even going to the games, the schedule does not line up great for anything.
So you couldn't even sage if you wanted to.

Speaker 1 We'll see. I mean, we'll see.

Speaker 1 I got

Speaker 1 The schedule sucks

Speaker 1 for me going, being able to go to a game, which I'm sure everyone was wondering. The number one.
Yeah, I'm sure everyone was curious

Speaker 1 how that was going to factor in, and that's the answer. What about an awake game?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's not good for that either until game six. With Ms.
Comas.

Speaker 1 And game three, we're...

Speaker 1 I guess Dave said it. We're going to the Brady.
We got invited by the Patriots to Brady's retirement ceremony.

Speaker 1 It's fucking in the middle of game four.

Speaker 1 What? Or game three?

Speaker 1 Why would they do that?

Speaker 1 Wednesday, June 12th is game three, Friday the 14th. Yeah, it's Wednesday.

Speaker 1 Because they tried to do 6-12 for Brady, I guess, and weren't going to be able to do it. Why wouldn't they just do it in the middle of the day? That's what I thought it was until today.
It's at night?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was listening to Kirk and Dave on the on-name show, and Kirk was like, it's at night. It's supposed to end at 9.30.

Speaker 1 Which I guess is.

Speaker 1 It's at Foxborough. So you're going to be with the Lighthouse.
Yeah. Oh, that's nice.
Yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 4 Good consolation prize. Yeah, that's huge.
Is Tom Brady bad sports town?

Speaker 1 Tom Brady stopped on the Jumbotron.

Speaker 4 He should move it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know what they're.

Speaker 1 I'm curious what they're going to do. I thought it was just like a day ceremony.
Can you be in a suite? I don't know. If you're in a suite, then you're fine.
I don't know what Mr.

Speaker 1 Kraft's got in store for us. You said a lot of bad things about the dynasty, Doc.
Yeah. It'd be a shame if Mr.
Kraft got a hold of that before you were his personal guest.

Speaker 1 What were you saying about him getting jerked off?

Speaker 1 Nothing. Oh.

Speaker 4 Do you think

Speaker 4 Joe Missoula's jiu-jitsu instructor is just.

Speaker 1 I said it, not you.

Speaker 1 Hank loves Mr. Craft.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 4 Do you think... Well, I'm not going to say it again.

Speaker 4 All right, I'll say it again.

Speaker 4 You think Joe Missoula and Giselle have the same jiu-jitsu person?

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 4 It's possible.

Speaker 1 It is possible.

Speaker 1 What is it?

Speaker 4 612. What is it? It is Tom Brady's retirement ceremony.

Speaker 1 And And who invited him? Induction into the Hall of Fame. Well, not me personally.

Speaker 1 He should have invited you personally. Brady 4 were invited.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you went to prison for him.

Speaker 1 I did. Let's talk about the MA Finals.

Speaker 4 Did they drop those charges, by the way?

Speaker 1 In Florida? Yeah.

Speaker 4 No, no, for no, that one, Hank, when Hank got arrested.

Speaker 1 Oh. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Dropped those? Yeah, six months.

Speaker 1 No bad behavior. Nice.
Nice.

Speaker 1 Hank,

Speaker 1 how are you feeling? I'll say this right now.

Speaker 1 I have to look into this series some more. I have to crush this.
You've been saying that for a month. Well, the series hasn't started yet.
True.

Speaker 1 I'm going to look into some series, but I'll give you my gut knee-jerk prediction, which I will not be held to because I'm going to give my final prediction when we have Rasillo on next week.

Speaker 1 My gut knee-jerk is Celtics in seven.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking Celtics in six. That's my gut knee-jerk.
I think it's going to be a role-player series.

Speaker 1 I think it's going to come down to, you know, our demons demons will obviously stop Kyrie and Luca as much as they can. They're going to make them, you know, pass the ball.

Speaker 1 And their guys have been hitting shots all playoffs.

Speaker 1 But it's going to be the same for us. It's going to be, you know.

Speaker 1 I also think this weirdly works. But we have a better, we have a better

Speaker 1 role player.

Speaker 1 The way Luca's been playing, the way Kyrie's been playing, I think this is weirdly like Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown, like they are going to step up to the challenge because this is the ultimate challenge of these two guys and Luca especially being anointed the number one guy.

Speaker 1 They know Kyrie.

Speaker 1 Jalen Brown has played Kyrie. He knows his game.
He knows what he's got to do. They match up in practice for years.

Speaker 1 Could you say the same, though?

Speaker 4 Uh-oh. He didn't think about that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because Jalen doesn't.

Speaker 1 Like, sometimes it takes a while for people to realize he can't dribble left. Yeah, but it's...
Jalen neutralizing Kyrie is better for the Celtics than Kyrie neutralizing Jalen Brown. The Celtics have

Speaker 1 neutralize each other, then the Celtics come out on top of that. Yeah, I think the Celtics have a better

Speaker 1 depth. And Drew Holiday is going to be important in this series.
Drew Holiday and Porzingis. That's the biggest difference.

Speaker 1 That's what makes me feel much better about this series, even though I felt pretty good against the Warriors. But

Speaker 1 Drew Holiday and Porzingis just make, you know, are going to be the reason we win the. What's your knee-jerk gut reaction?

Speaker 4 My gut reaction is Celtics in five.

Speaker 1 Love it. Love it.

Speaker 4 I'm a bigger Celtics fan than Hank is, I guess. Yeah, he said so.
Because I was thinking about our role players, and I actually think that they're, I would say that Jalen over-cancels out Kyrie.

Speaker 1 Max just put up his hand. I disagree.

Speaker 4 What do you disagree with, Max? What do you think?

Speaker 1 I think that this is going to be a very close series. It's going to come down to very tight games at the end.

Speaker 1 And one team has two guys that have proven to be excellent closers against very good teams in this playoffs.

Speaker 4 And the Celtics have looked a little iffy.

Speaker 4 I mean, mean, that doesn't sound like Max if you're not going to be able to get the losses.

Speaker 1 He came back. We were down in the fourth quarter in three games in the Eastern Conference Finals.
And we've won them all. Against shit, Pacers.

Speaker 1 They made it to the Eastern Conference Finals, Max. Yeah, playing against four teams who didn't have their best player.

Speaker 4 You know what? Celtics in four.

Speaker 1 I mean, listen,

Speaker 1 the Mavericks, like, you can't debate. Like, did the Celtics close.
You said that they did better closers. Did the Celtics close those games or not?

Speaker 1 Fact or fiction. What if the Pacers just gave them the game? Okay, literally.

Speaker 1 So, like, if a closer comes in and makes two outs, but it's not.

Speaker 1 You can't watch those games and you watch the Mavericks and you see what Kyrie and Luka did and hit incredible shots against all odds to win those games.

Speaker 1 What about when the Celtics were down three and didn't have the ball with eight seconds left and won the fucking game? The Pacers just got to get the balls out of the game.

Speaker 1 Talk about against the Laws. Got it.
Got it. The Pacers just threw them the ball.
Nothing to do with Jalen Brown. Nothing to do with the Celtics.
Just out of the way. The Pacers threw them the ball.

Speaker 1 The Pacers lost that game. But if Jalen Brown misses the shot, he had to make the shot, right? Correct, correct.

Speaker 4 That's a good shot. I think the harder you work, the luckier you get.
How about that? And one team has Lucky on their side.

Speaker 4 And that's the fucking Boston Celtics.

Speaker 4 To me, this is Lucky Legacy. That's the Lucky Legacy series.

Speaker 1 I said it Tuesday, though.

Speaker 1 You can't ding the Celtics for who they play when they've been.

Speaker 1 They lost two games. They're the best team in the NBA.
What about the regular season, Max? Does that matter? Or did they just play Tomato Cans then, too?

Speaker 1 You, I mean, I've heard you say that you don't care about Tomato Can.

Speaker 1 But with that said, Hank, you have to say, like, when someone says who's been more tested in these playoffs, the Mavericks have been more tested. For sure.

Speaker 1 So it's a fascinating series because it basically is like if you take who the Celtics have played and you're like, will they be up for the Mavericks test?

Speaker 1 There's a chance, like, oh, shit, they're nowhere near the Mavericks. I don't think that's what's going to happen.
But it's like the stakes for your happiness are so wild right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because you could either win a championship or you could get absolutely clowned on the internet. And that's why Max, something you'll never understand.
Like, you just have to go all in.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to be scared. I'm not going to be worried about that.
I disagree with that. Max goes all in every time.

Speaker 1 He goes every time.

Speaker 1 I will disagree with that. He goes in all the time.
He goes too all in.

Speaker 1 Like, he needs to step back.

Speaker 1 Like, bro. Take a step back.
I mean,

Speaker 1 look,

Speaker 1 he looks ridiculous.

Speaker 4 I'm looking at game six right now. Game six, NBA Finals, if necessary, Thursday, June 20th in Dallas, Texas.

Speaker 1 Hank, what do you think?

Speaker 4 That could be a close-out game.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, they're all show recording days. Like, that's where it's like, I don't want to, you know.
You don't want to rob the patient. Ask for a vacation.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 No, I'm not talking about vacation. I didn't say anything about vacation.

Speaker 1 Where's game seven? When's game seven?

Speaker 4 I don't have that in front of me right now, but I do know that game six.

Speaker 1 I think game seven is game five is Monday in Boston. Sunday the 23rd.
Sunday the 23rd. Fucking insane.
We'll be at the Beer Olympics.

Speaker 1 Hell yes. I'm so pumped.
That one.

Speaker 4 You could go to Dallas and do the show.

Speaker 1 Oh, that one you were going to go to game seven? Well, I mean, beer Olympics.

Speaker 4 No, I'm talking about game six.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Down.

Speaker 4 Under certain circumstances.

Speaker 1 There's a certain person that's not going to like hearing this.

Speaker 1 What? I have a lot of confidence in your trivia team.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's

Speaker 1 so excessive. That would be so fucked.

Speaker 1 You guys are about to go on a magical run.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Game sign. Yeah, we're also not going to.
So Vegas, you won't go to Vegas with us for Beer Olympics? I'll come Monday.

Speaker 4 You're backing out. Sounds like it's going to be a good time.

Speaker 1 We need you for the show.

Speaker 1 You just said I could go to Dallas, but I can't go to Boston.

Speaker 4 I think there's more content to be had in Dallas.

Speaker 1 That's true. Also, you could go.
That would be hilarious if you won the NBA Finals while we were in Vegas and you could just do like a one-man

Speaker 1 party, go to Hawkinson. That would be like, I'd be drawing Hawkinson.
They'd probably fly out. That would actually.
Yeah. Ooh, they definitely would.
They'd probably be there.

Speaker 1 We're not getting ahead of ourselves. We're focused on game one.
We're focused on game one. I think the Celsius is

Speaker 4 going to go directly to Vegas.

Speaker 1 That night, they might. Maybe they do like Monday.
They usually go after the parade, so you have to stay in Vegas. You can stay in Vegas.
Are we getting ahead of ourselves?

Speaker 4 No, I don't think so. I think this is appropriate.

Speaker 1 It's cocky hang. I don't give a fuck.
Yeah, if the Celtics lose the paste. Well, you just said, no, the happiness thing is true.
If the Celtics lose this championship, it's going to be embarrassing.

Speaker 1 Just retire from the internet for the summer.

Speaker 1 Probably until the next basketball season. Wait, so you'll just go silent when your team loses?

Speaker 1 Oh, gotcha. Well,

Speaker 1 they're talking about the podcast, Max, which is my job. Not just silent, Max.

Speaker 4 He's he's going deaf, too.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 4 He's not going to hear or say anything. And blind.

Speaker 1 He can't tell.

Speaker 1 They're talking about actually speaking words. You're talking about social media, which is not part of my job.
Yes, it is. Not my personal.

Speaker 1 Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 100% it is. Is it 100%? James is screaming back here.
They track that. Yeah, they track that.

Speaker 1 When you ask us to retweet the documentary,

Speaker 1 I didn't ask that. I will, if you don't.
I'm just so excited.

Speaker 1 Okay, so.

Speaker 4 I'm excited to see Hank with so much on the line.

Speaker 1 That's going to be a really good thing. It really is.
Because if the Celtics have been tested along the way in the Easter Conference Finals, again, not their fault.

Speaker 1 And you get to the finals, like, oh, man, they lost.

Speaker 1 There are so many people who are entrenched with, like, the Celtics are not good and the Mavs are way better.

Speaker 1 And like, so if that ends up being the case, you just have to just sit there and be like, oh, well, I'm embarrassed. I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 I mean, you tell me you guys are unbiased more than me, but it feels like the general public, it's like 80-20 maps or just not Celtics.

Speaker 4 Yeah, because the Mavericks.

Speaker 1 I don't know. No one wants the Celtics to win exceptions.
What do you think the first line?

Speaker 1 Whose line is it anyway? The Celtics minus three and a half is my Celtics. Maybe like five.
See, I think they're, I think,

Speaker 1 I think once we get to it, what is it? Six. See?

Speaker 1 I think the Celtics.

Speaker 1 As weird as the Easter Conference playoffs have looked because of all the injuries, been all the teams going down. The Celtics are still a fucking awesome team.

Speaker 1 This is a very even series.

Speaker 1 Why haven't Celtics in seven?

Speaker 4 With Mavericks, it's like Luca is so fucking good. You can't deny how good he is.
He's just at the top of his game, at the top of the league, and he's also a dick.

Speaker 4 So a lot of people, they appreciate him for how good he is, but they're also like, I wish he didn't scream at everybody all the time.

Speaker 1 Although, it was awesome when he screamed at that fan tonight saying, yeah, who's crying now, motherfucker? Yeah, Doubtless. It was great.
It was great.

Speaker 1 It was great.

Speaker 4 But it's not like they're America's sweetheart.

Speaker 1 No, but if you polled the general public, who do you think they would choose? I don't know. I don't.
They're pretty close. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I don't think you're right on that channel. Oh, yeah, I mean, like Vegas.
I'm not saying I'm biased. I mean, no, but I'm saying as a fan, like a rooting interest, like a fan, just a rooting interest.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I'm not talking about like who they're going to win, but like who they want to win.

Speaker 4 I think it's probably close.

Speaker 1 You were two and a half points off on that line.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have too much respect. I've been listening to fucking

Speaker 1 glazed donuts over here

Speaker 1 for months straight.

Speaker 1 Glazing Luka should be allowed.

Speaker 1 No, I know, but I've been, the glazing has infiltrated, got in my hair, and like it's got in my ear, and it's made me think that the Babs maybe are better than they are.

Speaker 4 You got Luca coming your ear. Yeah.
It's your towel.

Speaker 1 I also, it would be funny if the Celtics win this. We said this a couple, maybe last week, but the Lakers would have lost to the maximum amount of teams.
Yeah. Which would be very funny because

Speaker 1 all Lakers fans are like, the Nuggets were the only team that could beat us. It was a bad matchup.
Lost to the Nuggets. Nuggets lost to the Wolves.
Wolves lost to the Mavs.

Speaker 1 The Mavs lose to the Celtics. It's just a domino.
They had so many teams better than that.

Speaker 4 I have a very serious question about this. If the Celtics win.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Blake Vegas for sure.

Speaker 4 If the Celtics win, does Blake Griffin get a ring?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 I would say no. You don't think so? I have a very serious answer.
Why?

Speaker 4 Because everybody wanted him on the team this year. Right.

Speaker 1 I would love for him to get a ring, but I don't think Blake would take it.

Speaker 4 I think they should give him one.

Speaker 1 I don't think that would be a pity ring.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they should give him one.

Speaker 1 Was he in preseason camp? No. He should go to a game.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You should get him to a game.

Speaker 1 If you can get Blake to a game

Speaker 1 and he allows you to sit on his lap during the game, you can go. All the games.
Okay. Okay.

Speaker 4 But you have to wear like a Blake Griffin jersey and you have to sit, like, have a pacifier and have the announcers think that you're his son.

Speaker 1 You have to be like Deuce Griffin.

Speaker 1 Is that Jason Tatum's son's name? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Deuce Griffin.

Speaker 1 Deuce Griffin, just walking around.

Speaker 4 He's high-five in players.

Speaker 1 You get like headbands signed. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Get on the court before the game and shoot around, running around.

Speaker 1 You got to put sneakers on your knees and walk around on your knees the whole time.

Speaker 4 And be like sprinting, but never dribbling the ball on the court.

Speaker 1 Do it right now. Let me see you.
Take off your shoes and

Speaker 1 put your knees into your shoes.

Speaker 1 Do you have this angle?

Speaker 4 I think you could pull it.

Speaker 1 This is the best NBA preview, finals preview of all time. Just saying that right now.
We're going to have Rasillo on next week. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. There he is.
There's Deuce Griffin.

Speaker 1 Deuce Green. He's adorable.
You get to go to every finals game, Deuce.

Speaker 4 I just know that I like to ride with her guys on this show.

Speaker 4 Blake is rooting for the Celtics. He is a Celtic right now,

Speaker 4 in spirit. And we've got

Speaker 4 we've got White, we've got Pritchard, and I like Joe Missoula a little bit.

Speaker 1 Joe Missoula, I'm basing this all off, although Jason Kidd has been on the show.

Speaker 4 That's very true. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm basing this just all off of there's no heart or like anything. It's just brain.
I think the Celtics are the better team in a seven-game series.

Speaker 1 I just do.

Speaker 1 Same. Yeah.
All right. Well, we'll find out.
I'm going to crunch more data, though. So that's, again, don't, that's my knee-jerk.
It could even go, it could go Celtics in six, I go Celtics in five,

Speaker 1 I go Mavs in seven. I got to decide.

Speaker 1 I'm not excited. I'm excited.
I'm excited. I'm not going to say I'm nervous.

Speaker 1 One strategy, I actually, the one only betting strategy I think I have for this is: I think I'm just going to bet whoever loses game one

Speaker 1 because I do think it's going to go seven. Yeah, so no matter who loses game one, I'm just going to bet that they're going to trade games back and forth.

Speaker 4 There are enough really good players on both sides where it's like you can't count either team out. I'm just going on vibes right now.

Speaker 1 I'm going with my heart, not my, not my head.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and also, Joe Missoula said that the Celtics are weaponizing time. That's how they're spending this off week.
Football guy. Weaponizing time.
They're on some DARPA shit right now.

Speaker 1 That is crazy. Dragon Ball Z.
What is that?

Speaker 4 I was trying to think of what it meant to weapon. I think it just means like practicing.

Speaker 1 Vrabel did it to Belichick.

Speaker 4 He did. Yeah.
He stole time from him. Stole time.

Speaker 1 This is, yeah.

Speaker 1 What's that confusing movie that Christopher Nolan made? Tenant.

Speaker 4 Interstellar. Tenet.

Speaker 1 Interstellar. No, Tenant.
Tenant. No.

Speaker 1 Was it Tenant? No. It's Tennant.
The most... No.
Before that. Tenant.
Nope.

Speaker 4 Tenant was the weird one.

Speaker 1 There was another one. Tenant.
Not Interstellar. Memento? Nope.
That is also time.

Speaker 4 Kind of. Well, the guy had...
Tenant.

Speaker 1 Interstellar. Inception.
Inception. Oh.

Speaker 4 That's dreams. He's weaponizing dreams.

Speaker 1 But Memento as well.

Speaker 4 Missoula definitely weaponizes dreams.

Speaker 1 Tennant is weaponizing time. I never saw it, so I can't speak.
Again, this is great NBA preview.

Speaker 1 Which Chris Nolan movie is most like the Boston Celtics? Okay, all right. Well, we'll change sports.
Before we do that.

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Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Should we talk some other sports?

Speaker 4 Let's talk football.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Hard knocks. Yeah.
Chicago Bears. Yeah.
Windy City.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Caleb Williams. Yeah.
Matt Dweeber.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Lakeshore Drive. Excited for that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the Lakeshore Drive in the opening montage is going to be great. The shot of Lake Michigan.
Yep. Sears Tower panouts.

Speaker 1 First time it's ever had it in the Bears franchise.

Speaker 1 We all kind of assumed this is going to be the case because Hard Knox has these rules where if you are a playoff team, you can't do it.

Speaker 1 Which is like all the interesting teams.

Speaker 4 I think it was originally if you're a playoff team, you can choose...

Speaker 1 to not do it if they ask you but then no team wants to do it if you have a new head coach you can't do it so i think that the decision was basically like the Giants, the Saints, and the Bears.

Speaker 4 I have a theory. Do you think that the Bears didn't fire Matt Eberflus because they wanted hard knocks?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 4 You don't think so? No.

Speaker 1 I do not. I don't think any team wants hard knocks.

Speaker 1 I mean, maybe the Bears. Listen.
Everyone picks.

Speaker 1 I'm excited to watch Hard Knocks Bears.

Speaker 4 Trying to get that new stadium.

Speaker 4 Because, yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way, I think the lawmakers in Illinois have gone on vacation for the rest of the summer. Shout out to Hank.

Speaker 1 So the stadium's like, they're like, oh, we'll figure it out later. The stadium's never getting built.
There's a small, I'm very excited for Hard Knocks for the Bears. I think it's awesome.

Speaker 1 There's a small part of me that's worried that Hard Knocks might taint all the success the Bears have had these last few years. Yeah.
Like this could go south. Yeah.

Speaker 4 People are going to get pumped for these Bears, though. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 It is. I mean, I'm already, there's nothing Hard Knocks can do that I won't already be thinking in my head.

Speaker 4 I can't wait for the fashion episode with Caleb Williams. They're definitely going to go out to some designer stores, follow him around for a day.

Speaker 1 Him and Roma Dunze being best friends already.

Speaker 4 Have him try some stuff on for the cameras. You have to do a little cat walk.
Yep. That's going to be good.

Speaker 1 Ryan Poles getting to work at like four in the morning, which I respect. Hardworking guy, genius.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm excited. You should be.
I'm very excited.

Speaker 4 You should be, but you should also be very wary of the fact that Hard Knox makes us amped up for any team.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, PFT. I'm so scared that I might be like way over 100

Speaker 1 going into September, and then they don't do well. When has that ever happened? Not you.

Speaker 4 Not you. Everybody else having the expectation.

Speaker 1 They already are. They're already like over eight and a half win total.

Speaker 4 In seasons past. Damn.
With the Bears. You've been pumped up for the Bears, but everybody else has been like,

Speaker 4 maybe I'll pump the brakes a little bit. This time, everyone's going to be like, bears, bears, bears.

Speaker 1 You do realize there's literally nothing that can happen in this course of hard knocks and then the season that hasn't already happened to me. Like, what's the worst thing that could happen?

Speaker 1 I become a laughingstock of the internet.

Speaker 1 Oh, welcome to every football season. Yeah, I'm just saying.

Speaker 4 Hard knocks, I've got to be able to do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's why it's like I'm at the point where it's like, I have nothing to lose. The only thing I could lose is just going back to where I've been.

Speaker 4 It does give your enemies more ammunition in terms of memes. They have all of it.
In terms of things to bring up, they have all the stats.

Speaker 1 They don't go wrong. PFT, they have the stats.
I know. 3,000-yard passer.
Listen, I'm I think the Tears are going to be good.

Speaker 4 I'm excited for Hard Knocks. They're a fun team.
Their offense seems like they're incredible. Their defense seems like they're on definitely the right track, on their way to being an elite defense.

Speaker 4 So I'm high on the Bears, but I also don't want to see you get crushed.

Speaker 1 That's a lie. No, no.
That's a fucking lie. One.

Speaker 1 Everyone in this room wants to see me get crushed. Everyone who's watching this wants to see me get crushed.
That's a lie.

Speaker 4 I root way harder than everybody else's teams.

Speaker 4 You're the the team that I root the most for out of all the teams that I want to see lose. I think that's right.

Speaker 1 I reciprocate that.

Speaker 1 The two,

Speaker 1 there's nothing, I mean, what's going to happen? People like, oh, I'm going to get crushed. I've been flattened so many times.

Speaker 1 I'm in those compressor videos, which rock, by the way.

Speaker 4 They are very satisfactory.

Speaker 1 So they like squash a candle.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we got to get on some oddly satisfying stuff on this show. Yeah.
On the socials.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I watched one where they. It's in my algorithm.
I'll start sending over. My algorithm is just tits and

Speaker 1 just tits. I was thinking what else it is, but it's not even food.
Food. No, it's not even food.
Any dogs? I think I've just basically curated just tits.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 they shave soap bars. You ever watch that one? That one rocks.
Look, cleaning rugs. Yeah, like

Speaker 1 the biggest waste of water I've ever seen. Have you watched the lawns? I watch them all.
Have you watched the lawnmower guy who just shows up for random people's houses?

Speaker 1 He is the best.

Speaker 1 The guy unclogging drains. Oh, the drains, dude.
I have two drains in my back patio, and

Speaker 1 I won't clean up the back patio just because every time it rains, it gets clogged, and I can just scoop it, and I'll put it like right next to the drain just so I can watch it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the leaves. Yeah.
The leaves and all the gunk in there. Yeah.
Yeah, the lawnmowing videos are very satisfying.

Speaker 4 Are you talking about the dude that just shows up to people's houses that don't have lawnmowers and does it for him?

Speaker 1 It's like that guy rocks. Or it's like a person has passed away and lets so they'll go to the neighbor and be like, hey, can I clean this up? Yeah.
This is our hard knocks preview.

Speaker 1 Well, there will be. We're on some good tangents, right? We're having a great show.

Speaker 4 There's definitely going to be a grass-cutting scene. Oh, yeah.
At the beginning of Hard Knox. The smell, the sprinkler.

Speaker 1 So many drawing shots of the lake and the river. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Listen, I'm going to be excited to watch it. And again, the team's going to go to the Sears Tower 360 Tower.
Yeah, what's the bonding? Or whatever the fuck is it? The Willis. The Hancock, the Hancock.

Speaker 4 It's the the Willis, but it's always the Sears Tower to me.

Speaker 1 They're going to go out in that

Speaker 4 overwards.

Speaker 1 The Bears, although they've, no, I think they've been back at Bourbon.

Speaker 1 They don't do it at Halice anymore because of COVID. They were doing it like everyone was doing it at their facilities.

Speaker 1 Oh, slow-mo hot dog shots.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm excited. I'm very excited.

Speaker 1 There's really nothing that could... hurt me more than I've already been hurt.
And I say that, and obviously I'm going to get like way more hurt, but come on.

Speaker 1 Like save this. You guys know.
You guys know how this works.

Speaker 4 It is porn.

Speaker 1 It's going to be awesome.

Speaker 4 I would like to experience at some point, like being a Commanders fan, getting to watch the full documentary behind my own team.

Speaker 1 Right. Maybe you'll get the in-season.

Speaker 4 I might get the in-season, yeah. But nobody watches the end season.

Speaker 1 And they did the off-season with the Giants?

Speaker 4 The Giants, yeah. So we're going to see like free agency and draft.

Speaker 1 Why doesn't every team just do this now? Also,

Speaker 1 a lot of them do. Also, we're going to get, you know, episode three where we stop watching.

Speaker 1 I'll keep watching, but America will stop watching watching because that's just what happens now with hard knocks.

Speaker 4 Yeah, after the preseason starts. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I have. Oh, we should talk some hockey.
Oh, actually, wait. One more football topic.
Memes.

Speaker 1 He doesn't look old. What are you going to.
What are you talking about? I know what you're going to say.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I was not going to say that.

Speaker 1 Who are you talking about?

Speaker 1 You know who I'm talking about. Who are you talking about? Aaron Rodgers.
Oh, is there a video out?

Speaker 4 There's a video.

Speaker 1 It was blister maintenance prevention.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 That's what Pat McAfee said. Okay.
And how did he look running around?

Speaker 1 He looked fun. Oh.
I thought he kind of was hobbling a little. Yeah, he just got taped up.
So you're not worried? Not worried. Okay, great.
I mean,

Speaker 4 he looked really good last offseason. We saw where that got him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. And he's also, he's young.

Speaker 4 Maybe the secret is to just not be able to run away from defensive linemen. Mm-hmm.
Just get hit.

Speaker 1 This is mean. This is mean.
Memes,

Speaker 1 this video,

Speaker 1 you watch it, and you got bothered.

Speaker 1 I got a little bothered because people just kept tagging me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it was the non-Achilles

Speaker 2 foot dealt with.

Speaker 1 I don't think the looking... The blister maintenance means nothing to me.
It's him running around looking like he's 50 years old. Like,

Speaker 1 he looks... That little hobble? Is that a blister? All right, it's a blister.
It's just a blister, guys. Might be COVID toe.
Might be COVID toe. I don't know what that is, but yeah.

Speaker 4 He was also examining his feet a little bit.

Speaker 1 We're talking about Aaron Rodgers. They don't have him picked up, but yeah, he looked hobble.
Oh, is that who that is? Yeah, that is. I guess that is Aaron Rodgers.
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 He's looking at his blister maintenance. Okay, that's a horse.
Good maintenance. He's going to drop back.
He's fine. Pitch it.
And then.

Speaker 1 He's got a blister. Okay.
Oh.

Speaker 1 A little ginger. A little ginger.
A little ginger. Okay.
Little Andy Dalton. Yeah.
A little ginger.

Speaker 1 We should talk hockey, though.

Speaker 4 Let's talk hockey.

Speaker 1 Memes, this is the nice part of the show for you. The Panthers take a 3-2 lead, win at the mecca.

Speaker 1 You have to feel like

Speaker 1 it's over.

Speaker 4 Don't feel like it's over yet.

Speaker 1 I feel like it's going seven.

Speaker 4 But.

Speaker 1 What are you going to say? Well, you literally just asked me before the show. It's got to be over.
It's got to be over.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Memes is in incredible crisis mode with the Rangers being this close to a Stanley Cup final.

Speaker 1 I walked in

Speaker 1 maybe at 7,

Speaker 1 I don't know, 45,

Speaker 1 and the big TV was hockey, and there was no basketball. And I was like, hey, can we put the basketball game on? He goes, oh, I totally forgot that there was a basketball game tonight.

Speaker 4 He's so invested. I think he roots harder for the Rangers to lose than he does for the Islanders to win.
Correct. Which I respect.

Speaker 4 That's a pure hater move.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Yeah.
So, memes, it's over. I don't think it's over.
So, what is your analysis for the Rangers' ability to come back here?

Speaker 4 I would like the Rangers to win game six.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 4 And then lose in historic fashion.

Speaker 1 This is bad, memes. Oh, that's a really good one.
You got to make this a must-load strategy.

Speaker 4 You got to make this a must-lose.

Speaker 1 Playing with fire.

Speaker 4 It's a must-lose. You and Max are just two sides of the same coin.
You don't understand must-wins, must-loses.

Speaker 1 Panthers must-win game six. There you go, Jake.

Speaker 4 Jake gets it.

Speaker 1 And then the Oilers, that was an incredible comeback.

Speaker 1 I know it was only a two-goal lead, but it was more how fast they went from down 2-0 to 2-2, and then how fast they went 2-2 to 4-2.

Speaker 1 And it was a gut check moment for the Oilers because they lost game three

Speaker 1 at home. Crowds amped up so loud.
Game four, they come out flat. It's like, uh-oh, this series is over.
And Conor McDavid turns out he's really goddamn good, even if he's not scoring goals.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he might be injured.

Speaker 4 He's a good facilitator. You think he's got lower body?

Speaker 1 No, people are saying

Speaker 1 I was reading some of my own Twitter replies saying that Conor McDavid might have something going on with his wrists, and that's why he's not shooting as much. And a little Adam Banks situation.

Speaker 1 Hold this stick and rotate. Upper body.
And he got screwed with that shot that should have gone in. The goalie stick was just sitting there.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, he did. He did.

Speaker 4 I'm rooting for Edmonton to get to the final.

Speaker 4 I would like to see Edmonton and Florida.

Speaker 1 Yeah, people would say we're anti-Dallas. I was,

Speaker 1 I've been, Hank,

Speaker 1 am I anti-Dallas? God, no. Yeah, glazing.
I've been glazing Luca. Yeah, I won.
Glazed donut.

Speaker 4 I want every Dallas team to win except the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 We're going to have Whitney on, by the way, next week, and possibly Yance.

Speaker 1 Neither of them know it, so if they hear this, just hit me up.

Speaker 1 Do you want to do my baseball topics? Yeah, yeah, let's do it. Okay, I got four baseball topics.

Speaker 4 I've got one, too. It's probably one of the same ones you're going to do.

Speaker 1 Okay, well,

Speaker 1 you want to pick one through four? Three. Three.
Three. Jinx.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Three's good.

Speaker 1 Ben Verlander is the weirdest tweeter of all time.

Speaker 1 What was that?

Speaker 1 He jinxed me. Oh.
I can't talk.

Speaker 1 Good.

Speaker 4 Okay, thank you. Yeah, no, I agree.
I concur.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he tweeted yesterday. It's so wild to me that when a pitcher throws up near Jose Altuve's head, fans loudly cheer.

Speaker 1 I honestly think if he got hit in the head and died on the field, people would cheer.

Speaker 4 So here's the thing.

Speaker 1 Short king to short king talking here.

Speaker 4 It's hard not to throw near Altuve's head.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're all up and in.

Speaker 4 Anything above the belt on a normal human is towards his head.

Speaker 1 They would. Hold on.
I honestly think if he got hit in the head and died on the field, people would check. I don't think that i don't think so i think it'd probably be pretty quiet probably

Speaker 1 cancel baseball for a couple weeks maybe a week yeah at least a day yeah uh no yeah ben's way off on this one yeah i i you know what you might have to him on you know what like dude what like i he seems like a really nice guy but he just he remember he said that he was literally

Speaker 4 throwing up from shohe otani getting hurt yeah i um I admire his passion.

Speaker 1 I do too. He's very passionate.
I like that, but I just more want to be like, it's kind of like when we had

Speaker 1 Jon Rossine on. Like, hey, explain some tweets.
It's not a mean thing.

Speaker 4 There's going to be a lot of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm not coming at you. I would like to know what's going on through your head when you're like, if Jose Altuve died, people would cheer.

Speaker 4 I would not.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 4 I would bang on a trash can. Yeah.

Speaker 1 At his funeral. Yeah.
Like bagpipes.

Speaker 4 Ben probably thinks that people would show up at his funeral. Like the Westboro Baptist Church with a bunch of trash cans.

Speaker 1 It's also not hard to understand. We were robbed of making fun of the Astros because of the COVID year, so people feel like we'll never get our full justice.
Yeah. All right.

Speaker 1 That was topic one, or that was topic three. Hank? Two.
Two.

Speaker 1 The Mets, Jorge Lopez. Did you guys see this?

Speaker 4 I did not see this one.

Speaker 1 He came off the field, had a terrible relief outing, and threw his glove into the crowd in disgust. And then afterwards, he was asked by reporters, what's going on? And he said

Speaker 1 he's on the worst team in probably the whole fucking MLB.

Speaker 1 Did you see his statement, though? What? He said

Speaker 1 because his efforts to address the media in English, he felt it made him the worst teammate in the entire league.

Speaker 4 Oh, that's a good spin zone.

Speaker 1 Well, what about the...

Speaker 1 Was there a translation issue when he threw his glove into the crowd? No, no. Oh, okay.
And then he got cut. Yeah, it DFA'd him.
Yeah. But he's saying he was the worst teammate, not the worst team.

Speaker 1 Got it. That's the difference.
Got it. But I can buy that.
That's the show high.

Speaker 4 So did he get DFA'd because of the quote or because of his play? I think it was the throw.

Speaker 1 And it was both.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He threw his glove. And a Yankees fan caught it, which is so perfect for the Mets.

Speaker 4 Oh, that's tough. Yeah.
That's really tough. So he threw his glove.
They DFA'd him for throwing a glove. You can lose your job for that.

Speaker 1 He threw it in anger at the crowd. I'm assuming he's also bad.
Yeah, that too. And the Mets are bad.
Like, he's not totally wrong. I mean, there's a couple teams worse,

Speaker 1 but they're pretty bad. White Sox, right?

Speaker 4 White Socks, yeah.

Speaker 1 Rockies are pretty bad. Marlins are pretty bad.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Athletics, sneaky, not that bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, unfortunately, we're hovering around.

Speaker 4 We're right below 500. Yeah.
Right below 500.

Speaker 1 Okay, that was topic number two, Hank.

Speaker 1 One. Okay, good, because four I didn't want to do until the end.
Did you guys see

Speaker 1 we have a knuckleballer again? Yeah. David Fletcher.
He was the Angels. He was the Angels infielder.
He's now on the Braves AAA and he's basically become a knuckleballer.

Speaker 1 And it's a very cool story because we've been saying for a long time. We need one.
We need one.

Speaker 1 Also, cool part about David Fletcher, he's under investigation by the MLB for the Shohei Otani gambling issue.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that is very cool. The fact that he's a knuckleballer is awesome, too.
We do need a knuckleballer in Major League Baseball.

Speaker 4 It's so fun to watch, if for nothing else than just to give everybody that's like 30 or above just the chance to think to themselves, like, if I really put my mind to it, I could become a knuckleballer.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I too could be a Major League Baseball pitcher.

Speaker 1 And that's what he's doing. Yeah.
And he's also under investigation. He was dubbed Sho Hi Otani's best friend, was gambling with the same bookie.

Speaker 1 Also, another teammate of his was gambling on games of his allegedly with that bookie. A little messy, but the knuckleball is cool.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the the knuckleball is really cool. I'm willing to overlook all that stuff.
Yeah. Just like Shohei, I'm willing to overlook it because Shohei is so much fun to watch.
Right.

Speaker 4 If it's a knuckleball pitcher, absolutely. Yeah.
Bring him in.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then I had my last one was the Negro League's records.
Was that yours or no?

Speaker 4 Yeah, that was mine. Okay.

Speaker 1 I have,

Speaker 1 I have, I

Speaker 1 so it's it's cool because guys that were kept out of the sport by the MLB are being acknowledged.

Speaker 1 Is it crazy to say, though, part of me feels weird? Not,

Speaker 1 there were a lot of people online like, this is bullshit. We like our records.
I don't give a fuck about that.

Speaker 1 The weird part to me is MLB segregated the black players, told them they cannot play in the MLB. Yes.
Created, like, made them create their own leagues because, like, you cannot play.

Speaker 1 We're keeping you out. And now, 80 years later,

Speaker 1 they're basically inheriting their statistics and putting them on the MLB website and almost erasing it like the Negro leagues being like, oh yeah, it's all part of MLB.

Speaker 1 Well yeah, that feels weird to me.

Speaker 4 They're trying to make people forget the fact that it was the MLB that kept black players out of professional baseball and made them start their own league for a long time.

Speaker 4 And by inheriting those stats and bringing those in, they're kind of saying these belong to us now. Right.
And that's not at all what happened.

Speaker 4 Like what happened, if you were to ask players who played at the time, you probably could. I don't know what they'd say.
I don't want to speak for for them.

Speaker 4 But thinking if I put myself in their shoes, I'd be like, fuck you. You wouldn't let me play baseball.
And now you're trying to act like that era never happened.

Speaker 4 It is very cool that people are going to get to see the records and the individual stats are going to come more to light on a much bigger scale, which is good.

Speaker 4 That's the good part of it. The bad part is MLB.
is essentially doing this to try to make themselves into a good guy based on the fact that they were a very bad guy back in the day.

Speaker 4 Our friend Ryan Spader had a good,

Speaker 4 I don't know if it was a thread or if it was just one tweet, but he kind of laid out the case for it because MLB will start to now say, like,

Speaker 4 these are MLB stats. Right.

Speaker 4 They're probably going to start to say NL/slash AL record instead of MLB record for certain stats that were surpassed by players that played in the Negro leagues that came over.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so all right, so we had the same thought because i i it's one of those stories you're like, all right, well, I, you know, it's good that the Negro leagues are getting the acclaim right now, and I know that getting some of these guys in the Hall of Fame was very important, but the MLB feels like they're just kind of patting the Negro leagues on the head and being like, these are ours now.

Speaker 1 And in 50 years from now, when you look up who was the leader and you see Josh Gibson, you don't realize, you don't get the full story that MLB kept Josh Gibson out of Major League Baseball. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then also

Speaker 1 ended the Negro leagues by not, like, a lot of times when there's a,

Speaker 1 you know, the ABA, NBA, they inherit some of the teams. Some of the teams become part, you know, they bring them in as expansion.

Speaker 1 When the Negro leagues, when they started integration, they brought in a couple players, but they didn't bring any of the teams in. And basically, that decimated the Negro leagues.
So it's like...

Speaker 1 MLB, you kept them out, then you ruined the Negro leagues. Now you want the records? I don't know.
And I could be way off. People could be like, this is the wrong take.
That's fine.

Speaker 1 I just, that was my initial. This is so weird.

Speaker 4 I think it would be better to be solved like the way basketball does it, professional baseball hall of fame or just baseball hall of fame and have it not be.

Speaker 4 Well, it might be, is that what it is at Cooper Sound or is it MLB? I think it might be baseball fame.

Speaker 1 The national baseball hall of fame. Yeah, I just know I went to MLB.com today and I looked up stats like

Speaker 1 career leaders and Josh Gibson is leading in, I think it was batting average. And

Speaker 1 you'd have to click on his name to see that he didn't play in the MLB, again, because the MLB kept him out.

Speaker 4 So it is the National Baseball Hall of Fame. So that's good.
So it tells the full story there.

Speaker 4 But for Major League Baseball to say, these are our records when, no, in fact, you kept them out of Major League Baseball, it's a little dicey to me.

Speaker 1 And it's going to get, as years go by, it will get

Speaker 1 confusing that the story will get confusing to future generations, and it won't get fully told that they kept all these incredible players, which the Negro Leagues, like, by all accounts, and

Speaker 1 we've heard the stories also when guys went from Negro Leagues to Major League Baseball, they flourished. So, the Negro Leagues was playing at a very high level.

Speaker 1 So, the argument that, oh, they didn't play enough games, or, oh, that wasn't as good. No, it's probably better than a lot of baseball players in MLB.
That argument doesn't hold any water.

Speaker 4 I think the stars would have been the stars no matter what league they were playing in.

Speaker 1 Some of these guys left,

Speaker 1 played in the Eager Leagues, then after their prime went to MLB and still dominated.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they were also forced to do some barnstorming, so they had to play.

Speaker 4 There were some games that were against inferior opponents at the time, but you don't hold that against those players because they were forced to do that because MLB would not let them play professional baseball.

Speaker 1 So I just, I don't know. That was just, it felt, and again, I could be way off, but it just feels like in 50 years, 100 years,

Speaker 1 the story will be so

Speaker 1 confusing that it won't be fully told that Major League Baseball did not let black people play in Major League Baseball for a large part of their history,

Speaker 1 which is very bad. Yes.
Also, I learned Ty Cobb was actually not a big racist.

Speaker 4 So there's like one author that fucking hated Ty Cobb

Speaker 4 that just completely sullied his name. And I don't know if Ty Cobb had like some bad streaks in him.

Speaker 4 Probably not an angel.

Speaker 4 But I don't think he was the bad guy that he's sometimes made out to be.

Speaker 1 I read a long story about it last night. He was a surly guy.

Speaker 1 He was, you know, quick-tempered, thin-skinned, but by all accounts, was not the racist that everyone was taught he was when we were taught about Ty Cobb.

Speaker 1 Whereas he's the most racist guy in the world. Put the statue back up.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It really did look like it was one author basically wrote a book and that was just his story.

Speaker 4 There was one author that really, really did not like Ty Cobb. Yeah.
And yeah.

Speaker 1 So be nice to authors who might be writing your biography one day yeah Josh Gibson's arms were fucking massive you see pictures of those yeah yeah Satchel Page beast was a monster yeah Satchel Page is a perfect example.

Speaker 1 I think Satchel Page,

Speaker 1 I think, pitched in MLB at the end of his career when he was well past his prime and was good.

Speaker 1 Correct me on that, Jake, if you can.

Speaker 1 No, I'm pretty sure he did. I'm pretty sure in 50, yeah, like in the early 50s, he pitched in Major League Baseball.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that was

Speaker 1 it's a, it's kind of a, you know, people were getting angry at each other online.

Speaker 1 48 to 55 on the internet. He came back from the internet.
He was at 65 for one year. Yeah, look at him.
He's 41 years old and he went to Major League Baseball.

Speaker 1 You're not telling me, Satchel Page, if he was allowed to play in Major League Baseball his entire career, wouldn't have been one of the best pitchers of all time.

Speaker 4 And didn't he pitch like nine innings every single game? Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah,

Speaker 1 people were upset about their old stats. Who the fuck cares? I actually think you should just get rid of of all old stats pre-integration because

Speaker 1 the major league stats are also tainted. You kept out.
Because you kept out some of the best players. You deliberately kept them out.

Speaker 1 You shouldn't be able to count those as those, like the number one stats.

Speaker 4 I think that people in general should just not fall in love with numbers. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Numbers aren't everything. Oh, my stats.
Oh, the stats are different now. Oh, no, when I look at these numbers, there's a different name next to some of the numbers.

Speaker 1 It's a very Major League Baseball story because Major League Baseball is like the number one. We got to protect the stats.
Yeah, they are.

Speaker 4 It's weird. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Imagine if the NFL acted that way. Like all the passing stats are going to be broken 100 times over in the next 20 years.

Speaker 4 It's 20 games now. 20 games in a season.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 They're all going to be shattered.

Speaker 4 I mean, the only thing that

Speaker 4 really, whenever they change the amount of games in a year, it does make you go back and be like...

Speaker 4 O.J. was built different.

Speaker 1 It was built different.

Speaker 4 Every time they had another game.

Speaker 1 2,000 yards.

Speaker 4 Every time there's another game, O.J. Simpson becomes 0.0001% more likable.

Speaker 1 Well, he's very likable dead.

Speaker 4 That's true. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, anything else before we do our great Mike Breen interview? We had the spelling bee. Oh, yeah.
When did that happen? Today. The finals were tonight.
Hank. Who won? A guy named Bruhat Soma.

Speaker 1 He spelled 29 words and a spell-off in 90 seconds.

Speaker 4 It was a spell-off.

Speaker 1 There's a spell off. There's a spell off.

Speaker 4 Hank, I got a question for you. His winning word was absail,

Speaker 4 meaning a descent in mountaineering by means of a rope looped over a projection above.

Speaker 1 Can you use it in a sentence?

Speaker 4 The mountaineer had a real great abseil.

Speaker 4 It fucking rocked.

Speaker 1 To the language of origin?

Speaker 4 English. It's an English word.

Speaker 1 Is that really good? Yeah, it's just Jake.

Speaker 4 It's an English word.

Speaker 1 Abseil. Absail.

Speaker 4 Absail.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 I'll use it in a sentence for you.

Speaker 1 No, actually, I won't.

Speaker 4 No, you should do it. You should use it in a sentence.
Hank, do you agree that Big Cat should use it in a sentence?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 I don't really have a sentence for it. I was trying to figure out a way to do it.

Speaker 1 Hank promises that he will have a six-pack,

Speaker 1 but I'm abseiling on that one.

Speaker 1 Absailing that. If it works.
If it didn't work.

Speaker 4 If Hank is not able to dunk, he will abseil himself from the rim of the basketball court in Barcelona headquarters. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank can suck a mean absail.

Speaker 4 Absail. Absail.
Absail. A descent in mountaineering.

Speaker 1 I'll give it a try after. A.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 B.

Speaker 4 Are you just saying the alphabet?

Speaker 1 S.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 A-I-L.

Speaker 1 Ding.

Speaker 1 No, they do the ding when it's wrong. Okay.

Speaker 1 That was so crazy. Yeah, that was anti-classical.
That's what they do. Yeah, well, we don't know.
We don't know that.

Speaker 1 You know the bell. I don't.
I have not watched the spelling beat in a very long time.

Speaker 4 I do know the bell, but in the moment, when you ding, I think correctly.

Speaker 1 I know the guy goes, That is correct.

Speaker 4 Hank Scott doesn't brain, though. He's so committed to trivial.
Absail.

Speaker 1 I'm going to give it a shot. Absail.

Speaker 1 What did you say? A-B-S.

Speaker 4 He said A-B-S-A-I-L.

Speaker 1 I'm a phonetic. Absail.
There was a phonetic spelling beat I would dominate.

Speaker 4 Absolutely. Is that just spelling words wrong?

Speaker 1 Spelling them phonetically.

Speaker 1 Absail. What was the language of origin?

Speaker 4 English. It's an English word.

Speaker 1 Absail.

Speaker 1 A-B-D.

Speaker 1 S-A-L-E.

Speaker 1 No. Absell.
Ding. Ah, shit.

Speaker 1 There's got to be like a U in there. Yeah, I somehow got a damn thing.

Speaker 4 Hank was very close.

Speaker 1 Hank was really close. Was it S-A-L-E? No.
A-B-S-E-I-L. He said A-I-L.

Speaker 4 Very close, Hank.

Speaker 1 S-E-I-L. Yeah, he said.
S-A-I-B-E-L. That doesn't sound like an English word.
Absolutely. I'm going to say it.
I think PFT banged me. I have no idea what fucking cups.

Speaker 4 Well, that's a huge part of the spelling word. It's an English word.
I don't know where it came from. I don't know the words parents.

Speaker 1 You can tell by the letters, it's not England.

Speaker 4 Hank, spell the word I cup.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 1 K.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 you know it. He knows it.
All right, that was spelling. Okay, let's get to our Mike Breen interview.
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Speaker 1 And now, here's Mike Breen.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is the voice of the NBA, Mike Breen.
You're going to hear him for the NBA Finals, which is starting shortly, but not shortly enough.

Speaker 1 Mike, thank you so much for joining us. I actually, this is a very dumb question to start.

Speaker 1 We always like to do our dumb questions right off the

Speaker 1 jump. But we talk about rest versus rust with the NBA Finals and the Celtics having all this time off.
Is there rest versus Rust for announcers?

Speaker 1 Is there a certain point where you're like, I'm kind of losing it? I need to get back in the booth.

Speaker 2 Well, am I allowed to give a dumb answer to the dumb question?

Speaker 1 Of course, of course.

Speaker 2 No, it's actually a good question.

Speaker 2 You know what? There's been a bug floating around the crew. So I've been battling a chess cold last couple of days.
So rest is ideal right now.

Speaker 4 Although we still prefer i mean i want every series to go seven games but since this was was a sweep i'll take advantage of the rest yeah classic tibbs announcer getting getting drained by the end of the year right yeah drain you too hard yeah uh no we we love you you're you're obviously like uh something that i think american sports fans can all point at and say we like mike breen um which is rare because you have to find something to hate about everybody do you have any haters oh of course i'm sure there are there must be many of them out there.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's impossible. And this happens every playoffs, guys, where, you know, say it's, say, I'm doing a Lakers-Celtics finals.
You go into Boston

Speaker 2 and the Celtic fans are yelling at you, man, it's clear you want the Lakers to win. So you do the couple of games there.
Then you go to LA.

Speaker 2 And it's just the opposite. The Laker fans are saying, oh, man, can you try and hide how badly you want the Celtics to win? It's just, it happens every year.
It happens in every sport.

Speaker 2 You can can ask anybody who does the other, ask Joe Buck. He dealt with that in the world.

Speaker 2 The guys who do the Super Bowls, it's the same thing every year.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we've actually talked to Joe Buck about that. And we said, I think every team has a part of their fan base that just hates you and thinks that you're biased against their team.

Speaker 4 And he told us which team he really hated and had a bias against. So which team do you really hate?

Speaker 2 I really don't. I'll tell you what.
You know what's an interesting thing that I wish fans would understand sometimes. Most of them do.

Speaker 2 But when you're doing an NBA game and one of the complaints the fans will say, well, you're getting so much more excited for them than you are for our team.

Speaker 2 But often it has to do with where you're playing.

Speaker 2 For example, last night at Indiana, you know, the Pacers hit a shot, the place is going crazy. You've got to raise your intensity to overcome the crowd.
You don't have to do it as much.

Speaker 2 when it's the road team, because obviously the crowd isn't going as crazy. So that does come into play

Speaker 2 um because there's been some some games where all right say i'm doing the warriors calves

Speaker 2 and uh the warriors are uh are getting beaten the calves hit a big shot and it's in san francisco and you're you're yelling the top of your lungs what you should do on a big play in a big playoff game but the people who are sitting around you are so quiet because the opponent just scored and they're looking at you like can you please shut up can you

Speaker 2 feel like that so that that does come into play in terms of of sometimes that you have to go a little higher on the home team.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I just want to give ourselves some credit.
This is a big Big J journalist move by us. I know that you went to Fordham and you've been in the industry for a very long time.

Speaker 1 Credit to us for lasting all of three questions before we started talking about the bang.

Speaker 1 Had to.

Speaker 1 I've been like holding it back. I'm the meme.
Holding.

Speaker 1 Holding in your bang? Yeah, I've been holding in my bang.

Speaker 1 When did the bangs begin?

Speaker 1 I have many questions. Let's start there.
The bang.

Speaker 1 The origin of the bang. And when did you know, like, hey, this is my thing? Like, I'm Marv Albert.
Yes. Like, this is going to be my thing.

Speaker 2 You know what? I started it when I was a student at Fordham, but I didn't do it on the air.

Speaker 2 When I was sitting in the stands, I went to every Fordham basketball game, drove everywhere to root for my college team. And there was about 10 or 11 of us,

Speaker 2 including Michael Kay, who, of course, is the Yankee, voice for so many years. And when we weren't broadcasting the game on the student radio station, we'd sit in the stands and we'd cheer like crazy.

Speaker 2 And when a Fordham player hit a big shot, I would yell it as a fan. And I tried it on the air as a student broadcaster, but I didn't think it worked.
So I kind of shelved it.

Speaker 2 But then I started doing it again when I, one of my first jobs, I was doing this high school game of the week package. And we'd do these Friday night games, Friday night high school games.

Speaker 2 in packed gyms. I mean, packed.
They were small ones, but so loud. And it was hard to overcome the crowd.
So I was searching for a concise call for a big moment and a one-syllable word seemed to work.

Speaker 2 So I started using it there and I kind of like the way it worked. I've always tried to be less is more as a broadcaster.
So

Speaker 2 that's when it started on the air.

Speaker 1 Okay. So

Speaker 1 that's a great story that it was as natural as natural could be that you were doing it while sitting in the stands. What then, the double bang? Do you know when a double bang is coming?

Speaker 1 You've done eight total. I'm sure someone's told you this, but do you,

Speaker 1 what is it, what's the benchmark that has to clear for a double bang? Because when it happens now, it's actually like a seismic event online. Like Mike Breen just did a double bang.

Speaker 2 I'm concerned that you know how many there are.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, we're big fans. They're tracked.
Yeah, and when we get a double bang, it's a big, big moment.

Speaker 4 I mean, a great double bang this playoffs. Yeah.
Fantastic double bang. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, it's

Speaker 2 completely spontaneous.

Speaker 2 I'm still, I'm 63 now and I love basketball as much as I did when I was six and first started playing. So when I watch something and somebody does something

Speaker 2 spectacular, and especially if it's a surprise, especially if it's

Speaker 2 in a huge situation,

Speaker 2 I just kind of lose it. And

Speaker 2 I've never planned it. It just comes out.
The excitement's

Speaker 2 so good. Like, for example, the

Speaker 2 Dante DiVincenzo hit one earlier in the playoffs for the Knicks. And the way that game had turned on a dime,

Speaker 2 it just came out. And I'd like to think that I maintain my fan love of the game and get excited when something unexpected like that happens.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Do you ever think to yourself, I'm about to say bangs so MF and loud?

Speaker 2 I've seen

Speaker 2 the meme.

Speaker 2 Fortunately, I've been able to avoid using that word on the air.

Speaker 4 You should do a bet where if you lose, you actually have to get that literally tattooed on your forehead. So you become the meme in real human form.

Speaker 2 That would work well at my age.

Speaker 4 Yeah. No, we appreciate the enthusiasm.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, I was just going to say, do you know, can you recall your double bangs in history? Do you, do you have them like off the top of your head?

Speaker 2 Well, Steph Curry was the first one. Yep.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 1 Also, also, when you do... So Steph Curry's the first one.
You double bang. Do you go back to the booth afterwards or the truck? And everyone's like, Mike, what the hell was that?

Speaker 1 I i said it twice like you you've never double banged

Speaker 2 no the the first one even shocked me

Speaker 2 the whole thing was even it was the build-up to to that shot the whole game the whole season that was a build-up um let's see there was um julius randall had one last year um in a game on the msg network for um when they beat miami down in miami

Speaker 2 eric gordon had one it was a huge game between Houston and Golden State, or maybe Houston and the Lakers. I don't even remember now.

Speaker 2 And then there were two, there were two. This

Speaker 2 playoff, Steven Chenzo, and who's this? I've already forgotten who the other one was.

Speaker 1 I can't remember who the other one was either. I'm trying to think.

Speaker 4 Steven Chenzo, that was a big one because it was New York.

Speaker 1 You were there.

Speaker 4 It was an awesome comeback.

Speaker 1 It might have been Jalen Brown in the corner. Was that a double bang?

Speaker 2 Yes. Okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Now, this is disturbing, and I can't remember the one that happened last week.

Speaker 1 The double bangs are great.

Speaker 1 It really does feel, and it captures the moment because I like the fact that there's only been eight of them makes it extra special where it's like it's only coming out for a really unbelievable moment.

Speaker 2 Well, I think if I, somebody told me that there were people that are upset that they didn't feel that Jalen Brown deserved a double bang. So now they're rating the quality of the double bangs.

Speaker 2 I thought it did. I mean, he basically saved a playoff game and an important playoff game because it was the first of the series.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But again, it comes out.

Speaker 2 It just comes out.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they're saying that because the other double bang happened so recently. So it's like, oh, is he just becoming a double bang guy? Have you thought about ever doing a triple bang?

Speaker 1 You wouldn't do a triple bang, would you?

Speaker 4 I don't know. I don't think you got the chops for a triple bang.

Speaker 1 That'd be crazy, Mike.

Speaker 2 No, I don't think so. I've tried, you know, the other thing, too, is,

Speaker 2 you know, people think I say it all the time.

Speaker 2 I would say more than 50% of the games, I never even use one.

Speaker 2 I've tried, because I think if you do it too much, it just, it wears out its welcome.

Speaker 2 So I've tried to be selective, not just a double bang, but even just a regular bang for an important one in the game.

Speaker 2 There's been some games where it seems like, you know, there's going to have this phenomenal ending. Somebody's going to hit a three at the buzzer.

Speaker 2 And that's when sometimes I'll say to myself, let's save it for maybe the big play at the end. And the big play never happens.
The guy gets fouled and the winning points are from the free throw line.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I don't normally go bang on a free throw made, but

Speaker 2 sometimes I, you know, even games that just don't even do any of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What about if you go that stretch where like there's you know blowouts or whatever and that you haven't used a bang in a while, do you ever get nervous? Like, do I remember how to bang?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 though,

Speaker 2 you know, talk about the free throw.

Speaker 2 You know, my kids show me a lot of stuff on social media. And somebody actually made a video of me screaming.
I mean, the ultimate screaming bang on just basic free throws made in the first quarter.

Speaker 1 I love it. It's awesome.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's great. It's iconic.
It is like I said, Marv Albert, yes, like you know when the bang happens, like that's Mike Breen. It's a big moment.
It just works so perfectly for basketball.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, obviously, Marv was the biggest influence for me. And people, at least for me, this is what Marv had different levels of yes.
You know,

Speaker 2 there'd be a first quarter, a guy make a nice move, hit a shot, yes.

Speaker 2 And then in the second quarter, there might be like a big 15-0 run, a guy hit a three-pointer at the end of 15-0 run, but yes, a little more.

Speaker 2 And then, of course, he had the great ones at the end at the, you know, a game-winning call or a momentum-changing call.

Speaker 2 And that was the beauty of Marv is like, you could tell by the tone of the yes, whether it was, all right that's a pretty big shot or that was the shot of the game yeah yeah yeah we i have one more bang related question then we can get back into uh the real interview um do you have a favorite bang what's your favorite bang you've ever done um

Speaker 2 the the curry double bang is is very special because of that year the way it happened and the ray allen one because the Ray Allen bang was that shot decided who was going to win a title.

Speaker 2 He doesn't hit that and the Spurs win the title.

Speaker 2 But because he hits that, they win the game, they win game seven. So that one

Speaker 2 was pretty big.

Speaker 2 There was one which with Derek Rose that I've always loved.

Speaker 2 I was a big fan, still am of Derek Rose. Just not only a wonderful player, but a terrific guy.
And he hit one in Chicago against LeBron James and the Cavs to win a game at the Buzzer playoff game.

Speaker 2 I was there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That was pretty exciting. Yeah.

Speaker 4 If you, this might be another dumb question, but if you go back and you listen to those calls, we love those calls.

Speaker 4 Like, I get excited just thinking about that Ray Allen shot and your voice providing the soundtrack to what I remember as like a pivotal moment in NBA basketball.

Speaker 4 When you go back and you watch those clips and you hear yourself, do you enjoy your own voice? Do you enjoy your own bangs? Or are you like, oh, my voice is gross. Get it off?

Speaker 2 No, you're kind of like, who is this screaming fool? Just chill out there, pal.

Speaker 2 But what I do, when I do watch them or somebody sends something to me, it just brings me memories of the particular game and how exciting the games were and, you know, how a great player can step up.

Speaker 2 I'm still, I'm blown away by the talent of these guys and what they're able to do. You know, and for Ray Allen, like especially Ray Allen one, here's a guy.

Speaker 2 You know, I watched him play for however many years, I think he played like 17 years.

Speaker 2 And any game I ever broadcast that he played in, whether it was Milwaukee, Boston, Miami, and I must have done done a hundred Ray Allen games, maybe more.

Speaker 2 He was at the arena when I arrived on the court, already shooting. And that shot he hit in game six, I saw him take hundreds of those in pregame warm-ups.
So that was no fluke.

Speaker 2 That was something that it was just in his arsenal and

Speaker 2 the practice year after year of doing it. And in the biggest moment of his career, he was able to knock it down.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. So, Mike, your career is fascinating because I think, a lot of the guys that we hear calling national games, that's kind of what they always have done.

Speaker 1 But you started in radio and you, you know, you worked for Don Imus and you did, there was, I read a story that you basically were working, you know, 5 a.m.

Speaker 1 in the morning and then calling Knicks games at night, which it's incredible and it's also a testament to your hard work and getting to the place you are.

Speaker 1 But how much was radio, how much did radio help you in doing the live broadcast of games?

Speaker 1 And I would assume, like, you have a great sense of humor and i think you know when you're in do you call back on that when it's a blowout or it's like i got to fill some time

Speaker 2 well the radio part was um instrumental it's much harder to do a radio broadcast than a tv broadcast because you have to describe everything you've got to be the you know as it's not a cliche you have to be the the eyes of the of the listener And if you can do that,

Speaker 2 when you start to do TV, you know, you have to pull back a little bit. And, you know, there are other obstacles that are difficult.
The way you work in your partner's a little more difficult.

Speaker 2 You obviously have a producer and director that talk to you in the year while you're doing the game.

Speaker 2 But radio is the ultimate foundation to start. And that's what I did.
I mean, my first

Speaker 2 broadcasts were all radio at the Fordham Radio Station. And then my first job, I was

Speaker 2 a news reporter on the radio for a Poughkeepsie radio station. in New York.
So it created a foundation that allowed me to be on the air quite a bit and get better.

Speaker 2 Because if after you do it for a while, if you don't get better, then you need to do something else. But it gave me the chance to improve and work on

Speaker 2 my on-air presentation, so to speak. Yeah.

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Speaker 4 So, unfortunately, we learned of the news of Bill Walton's tragically passing away yesterday.

Speaker 4 And we talked about him on Tuesday's show and how much of an icon he was and what a great human he was and what an interesting individual he was.

Speaker 4 And I know that you have a personal relationship with him. And at one point, you told a reporter that you would fight anybody to the death if you heard them speak ill of Bill Walton.

Speaker 4 And I want to hear your story. about Bill and why he meant so much to you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was an article. Katie Baker, the wonderful writer for The Ringer,

Speaker 2 wrote it. And,

Speaker 2 but I'll try not to make it too long. I apologize, guys.

Speaker 1 No, go as long. We loved Bill.
We talked about it on our show. We had the joy of getting to interview him once.
And it's like,

Speaker 1 when I retire someday, that will be up there with, like, I got to spend three hours with Bill Walton. Like, that was incredible.

Speaker 2 That's up there for me as well. The story was, and this is about 15 years ago.

Speaker 2 My dad had Parkinson's disease, and it it was advancing to the point where we were worried he's not going to get out of the house. He wasn't going to be able to get out of the house.

Speaker 2 Now, we lived in New York and my younger brother Pete called me up and said, hey, before he can't travel anymore,

Speaker 2 let's take him to see the USS Midway. The Midway is the aircraft carriers.
It's in San Diego right now as a museum. And my dad served on the Midway in the Korean War.
I had not been on the ship.

Speaker 2 since he left the service.

Speaker 2 So we made plans to go and take him out to see the midway one last time and i called bill because bill lives in san diego i said i need a hotel recommendation well of course bill's like you're not staying in a hotel you're staying in my home so we planned this three-day trip out there and for three days when we got out there um

Speaker 2 bill was by my father's side for three straight days First thing he did is he put him in the bedroom, the Bob Dylan room. All Bill's rooms in his home were named after

Speaker 2 people mostly musicians and the bob dylan room was a place of honor so he put put my dad in the bob dylan room and you know every meal john you sit here next to me uh breakfast lunch dinner we'd go for for uh drives to places john you sit in the front seat with me they were inseparable for three days bill would not leave his side And then the day we went to the to see the Midway, where I was thinking we're just going to go buy tickets like anybody who can get a tour.

Speaker 2 Well, the day before, he had called over to the Midway and told them that one of your heroes is returning to the ship that he served on.

Speaker 2 So when we get there, we are greeted by the commander of the Midway, and he takes us on this two-hour tour in and out. And, guys,

Speaker 2 an aircraft carrier is no place for a seven-foot man who has back, knee, and ankle problems. It was a painful walk for Bill, but he, every step of the way never left my father's side.

Speaker 2 It was really emotional for him,

Speaker 2 for my dad,

Speaker 2 going back and the condition he was in. And he broke down a couple of times.
And every time he broke down, my brother and I did the same thing. And I'd look at Bill, and there's Bill.

Speaker 2 He's got tears just streaming down his cheeks.

Speaker 2 So then we get back to the house after this just amazing day that meant so much to my father. and that Bill came with him.
I couldn't find the two of them. I'm like, where'd they go?

Speaker 2 Bill had a teepee in his yard. I mean an enormous teepee that you could sleep a number of people.
And I go back looking. There's the two of them sitting in the teepee, just talking about life and

Speaker 2 Bill listening to my father's stories and back and forth.

Speaker 2 So when we left, it wasn't, Bill wasn't my friend. Bill was my father's friend.
And he didn't live much longer after that.

Speaker 2 And my mother, who's still alive, she said until he passed, he talked about that all the time. It was in a tough stretch.
The end of his life was very difficult.

Speaker 2 Those were the three best days in the last years of his life. And there's a huge picture still in this day.
My mother still lives in the same house.

Speaker 2 There's a huge picture of the two of them sitting in the teepee together that she just adores the picture.

Speaker 2 And when I was given the Gowdy Award at the Basketball Hall of Fame, I took my whole family up there, including my mother. And there are so many NBA legends there.

Speaker 2 She had no interest, and she's a basketball fan. She had no interest in meeting any of them.
She just kept saying to me, where's Bill? I need to meet Bill Walton. And

Speaker 2 when she met him,

Speaker 2 and I get emotional even thinking about it, she just wanted to say, thank you for what you did for my husband. What he did those three days.

Speaker 2 were three of the happiest days of my father's life.

Speaker 4 That's such a good story. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 and that is so Bill Walton. Like he just, like I said, even the three minute, three hours we spent with him, he makes you feel like the most important person in the world.

Speaker 1 And he does that for, it seems like he did that for everyone.

Speaker 2 Right. Do you think you're the only one that he's sending these wonderful texts to or he's doing those? He does it for.

Speaker 2 And it's, you know,

Speaker 2 how many people in our lives, when they say your name or say their name to you, The first reaction you have is you smile or you laugh.

Speaker 2 And anytime anybody would say, hey, tell me about Bill Walton, I'd either laugh or smile, and then I'd go into a story.

Speaker 2 And that's the gift he gave all of us. And that no matter if he was with you or even when he wasn't with you, when he came up, you had to smile.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. Yeah, he really was the best.
So, so, in your career, um,

Speaker 1 you know, doing the Knicks, now doing national uh broadcasts, is there a moment that you look back at and you're like, that was when it not became easy, but like, oh, I'm really good at at this and I can feel comfortable being in the booth because I'm sure most broadcasters, I deal with it myself, like a little bit of imposter syndrome.

Speaker 1 Like, am I going to be good at this? Was there a moment where it clicked and you're like, I'm really good at this. I'm Mike Breen.
Bang.

Speaker 2 That's interesting you say that because that never fully goes away.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You always think, okay, I better be prepared. I'm going to do my best because, you know,

Speaker 2 do they still think I'm good enough to do this? Are there are other people who are better. And that's something that drives you.

Speaker 2 But it's just a matter of, I mean, I still get nervous before NBA Finals games or a big playoff game seven or something. But it's good butterflies.
It's adrenaline butterflies.

Speaker 2 And if I didn't have them, I think I'd be more worried than

Speaker 2 I have them. And I think it's good.
I think it's a good motivator.

Speaker 2 But it's like everything you do. Like, I remember the first NBA game I ever did.
I was so nervous. My voice must have been so high.

Speaker 2 And then the first close game you did,

Speaker 2 that it's like this great fight to the finish, I was hyperventilating as the game is going on, trying to keep up with it. Then it's the first close playoff game you do.

Speaker 2 So each step that you take in terms of the magnitude of the game,

Speaker 2 you need to do it, at least for me. You need to do it a few times before you really feel comfortable.

Speaker 2 But what's always helped me, whether it's a huge game, whether it's

Speaker 2 just a regular season

Speaker 2 game that doesn't have a lot of meaning, if you go in prepared, if you're fully prepared,

Speaker 2 then you can relax knowing that whatever happens, at least you'll know how to deal with it. And

Speaker 2 that's what's always kept my confidence is that my preparation allows me to feel confident when I go on the air. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So what does preparing look like for you? I think some people out there think that announcers are just, they're handed a big sheet of paper with all the stats that they have to read off.

Speaker 4 And that's it. Then they just go and they commentate on what they see.
But when you're preparing for a game, how much time does it take? And what do you do specifically to prepare?

Speaker 2 No, that's basically it. I get handed the sheet.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 it's,

Speaker 2 I tend to, and I'm sure every announcer will tell you this, you tend to overprepare. I think of all the stuff that you do, if maybe you get 15% of that preparation on the air, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 And the way I like to phrase it on a basketball game is, okay, so each player, like in an NBA game now, there are 13 active players on each team for that game.

Speaker 2 What I want to do is I want to have, if that, any of those 13 players, either the best player or the 13th, has the game of their life, I want to be able to have enough information on them to tell their story in terms of where they are in their career, what they've done, where they've come from.

Speaker 2 And that's part of the preparation for me for an NBA game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Now, I would assume the answer is no, but are you ever preparing

Speaker 1 like time filler blowout talking points?

Speaker 1 Do you ever go to a game, you don't want it to be a blowout, but in the back of your head, you're like, if it is, like, we could talk about this or that, or is it all just kind of streaming consciousness, whatever's happening?

Speaker 2 No, that's pretty much every, that's part of the preparation.

Speaker 1 Oh, um,

Speaker 2 and like to have, like for me with players, I like to have personal anecdotes about players. So when a game gets out of hand, at least you can do is you can kind of talk about their,

Speaker 2 you know, their upbringing, where they came from or their their history in terms of clutch games or whatever kind of information you want and the other thing i try and do is league issues you know have there been a lot of traveling calls lately what's the reason for that um

Speaker 2 and even um

Speaker 1 different things like other other nba things that are going on like uh they've been in a rash of technicals or whatever but i try and have some league issue stuff on the side and personal anecdotes on the side in case it gets like that yeah has your job become more difficult with replay because not because obviously replay helps get the calls right but the pauses in the game and you guys having to sit there while you know they they look over video for three four minutes in the middle of an intense playoff environment has that made it more difficult to broadcast um i don't know if it's made it more difficult i think it hurts the product a little bit

Speaker 2 it's become a necessary evil and they're certainly not going back to no replay but there are certain times that the flow of the game is affected.

Speaker 2 And that's when the game's at its best, the end of the game, where they're just going back and forth and back and forth, and when it stops with the replays.

Speaker 2 Now, the league did address that a couple of years ago, and they did change some of the replays, especially the out-of-bounds.

Speaker 2 If you remember, they used to have last two minutes, every out-of-bounds call they could review, and they did. They fortunately, they got rid of that.

Speaker 2 So they're trying to do a better job, and I think it's worked. But those games, especially a playoff game where it's like a three, four-minute review, those are maddening.

Speaker 2 To me, it's like, okay, if it's going to take this long, just go with the initial call and move on. And everybody will accept that.
And I think players and coaches would accept that as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I'd agree.

Speaker 4 It gets stretched out sometimes. And you're just like, okay, we see what the call should be.
Why is it taking him so long to make that announcement? I'm curious to know, because you've seen so much.

Speaker 4 of the NBA, you've watched all the best players up close.

Speaker 4 Who's the guy that you got, maybe it's a current player, maybe it's a former player, that you would get the most excited to do his game, to be able to sit front row and watch this guy play.

Speaker 2 You know, it changes every year. Like this year, Wembanyama, I couldn't wait to do one of his games because I've never seen anything like it.

Speaker 2 You know, same thing in the last couple of years, like when Donchic first came in, like, oh, I got a Dallas game. Good.
I can see this amazing player. Obviously,

Speaker 2 Kobe was every game, there was something electric about him. He just had something.

Speaker 2 And Michael as well.

Speaker 2 I think the current guys now, the two guys that you can't wait to see, and even at their age that they're playing, LeBron James and Steph Curry.

Speaker 2 The two of them,

Speaker 2 there's never an off night in terms of their focus and their effort and what they bring.

Speaker 2 And they know their responsibility too, of the people who are paying a lot of money to come see them play in particular.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 there's a lot of them guys. Tim Duncan was another one that even though he wasn't flashy, just how in such a business-like fashion, he would just obliterate his opponent and

Speaker 2 never change his expression. So there's also, there's so many of them like that.
And

Speaker 2 that's why, I mean, I know this sounds corny, guys,

Speaker 2 but it's such an honor to call these games and a privilege. These guys work so hard to play and get to the level.
that you want to get it right.

Speaker 2 I feel you have a responsibility to get their moment right by a call that's worthy of the play.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so that makes me think. Have you ever gotten it wrong? Have you ever disappointed yourself and then gone back home and been like, damn it, Mike Breen, what did you just do?

Speaker 2 All the time. I mean,

Speaker 2 I make mistakes every night. I've been doing that.
I've been making mistakes every night for 30 years plus.

Speaker 2 But it's the end of game ones. There was a game, was it last year? Game one of the playoffs.
where Jason Tatum hit a big shot at the end.

Speaker 2 And I mean, I butchered the call so badly badly because I didn't see it correctly and I didn't sync it with the clock. And it just, it was an absolute mess.
I didn't sleep that night.

Speaker 2 And part of it is you ruin the call for the player. So here's this big moment.
You ruin the call. The other thing is, you know, basketball is a team sport to play.
It's a team sport to broadcast.

Speaker 2 And I felt like I let the rest of the crew down because we had up until then, it was an amazing game and we had all the right replays and graphics and sound bites. And Jeff and Mark,

Speaker 2 who were my partners, were outstanding down the stretch of this close game with strategy. I thought I was having one of my best games.
And then the last play, I just killed it. And

Speaker 2 it was awful, awful.

Speaker 1 Here's a business idea for you. Why don't you just have a service where you'll redo any of the mistakes for a little fee? And maybe then you, whoops, Mike Breen's losing it a little.

Speaker 1 He's messing up a couple calls. Oh, Jason Tatum, you want this call redone? No problem.
I got you.

Speaker 4 It's like cameo for the player's calls that you screwed up. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Guys are always coming up with business ideas like this. I need that kind of

Speaker 2 thought process. Well,

Speaker 1 we get a cut of that.

Speaker 1 That should have been, you should have read the fine print before you got into this interview. Any business idea we come up with, we get at least 15%.

Speaker 4 Yeah, if you triple bang,

Speaker 4 I'll send my lawyers after you.

Speaker 1 Triple bang is for sure. We're getting, we're wetting the beak on that one.

Speaker 4 It's become like the Razor Wars, where it's like the first company said, we've got two Razors. Yeah.
The other company said, how about three Razors?

Speaker 1 I think. How about four? I think you're going to triple bang at some point.
Yeah, you will. I think you just,

Speaker 1 you want to say you're not going to, but I think there's going to be a moment that you're just not going to be able to stop yourself.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 again, and I'm not just saying it. It comes out.

Speaker 2 If there's an NBA Finals, game seven, that's

Speaker 2 decided by a three-pointer. I might lose it completely on some.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It might be like 10 bangs. You just might, that might be the only word that you say for for the rest of your life.

Speaker 1 A triple bang might sound better than a double bang.

Speaker 2 I haven't tried it yet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 A bang, bang, bang.

Speaker 4 How'd that sound?

Speaker 1 That sounds good.

Speaker 2 Sound right to me.

Speaker 1 Bang, bang, bang, bang.

Speaker 2 There's got to be a pause in between them.

Speaker 1 All right, give us a triple bang right now. No.

Speaker 1 You're smart. You're smart.
You're a smart guy. Don't waste that.
Yeah. No, yeah.
We would have definitely dubbed that over every clank. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I think the three bangs would have to increase in excitement. So you start out with a normal bang louder and then screaming, just yelling your face off at the third bang.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Nice little crescendo.

Speaker 2 Yeah. It's all preparation.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Can you tell us just how crazy the malice at the palace was from your point of view? Because

Speaker 1 I think we're at the point now where it's been over 20 years and everyone knows it, but there's a new crop of sports fans that don't understand just how insane it was watching.

Speaker 1 I remember watching it live and being like, what what is going on right now? And you were there calling the game.

Speaker 1 Just how nuts was it to see that?

Speaker 2 By the way, I was calling the game with Bill. Yep.
Bill Jim Gray was our sideline.

Speaker 2 And I remember I've never seen Bill so upset from something that happened on the court. He felt, he was wounded.
on how he felt this look for the league and the sport that he loves so much.

Speaker 2 He was really, really, really

Speaker 2 down after that. And we were up, we stayed up to like two or three in the morning talking about the game.
And he just couldn't believe that that something happened on national TV.

Speaker 2 Because it was in person,

Speaker 2 it was uglier than when you watched it on television. And the reason was every time it seemed like the security and the refs got a handle on it, something worse happened.
And then more.

Speaker 2 And even like when the players went into the stands, it was like, I don't believe we're actually watching this.

Speaker 2 And even when they finally got him off, there were some more skirmishes, and it just seemed like it wouldn't end.

Speaker 2 But the thing that worried me the most was we were on the opposite side of the benches.

Speaker 2 The crowd started coming down in mass.

Speaker 2 And that's what was worried. Like, is the crowd going to come down and start more of this and attacking? And then there's nobody that could possibly break it up.

Speaker 2 There's not enough security to break that up. And that was worrisome to me.

Speaker 2 This mob mentality that you felt was developing.

Speaker 2 And I'll never forget, I've told this story a bunch, when the pacers, they were trying to get them off the court and to go to the to the visiting locker room.

Speaker 2 It's a narrow little hallway with the stands like right above. So if you're in this one part of the stands, you can almost reach down and touch their head.

Speaker 2 And I remember when the players were trying to get off, there was a woman who was

Speaker 2 really nicely dressed, like dressed like she was going out to dinner. And she was like standing right there amidst these guys who were just screaming screaming and yelling and cursing.

Speaker 2 And I'm thinking to myself, oh my God, this poor woman is in the midst of this mess. And all of a sudden, she takes out a full bottle of water and just heaves it at one of the players' heads.

Speaker 2 And that's to me, that was like, okay, this woman would have never done anything like that, but she got caught up in this mob mentality that everybody's emotions just ran amok.

Speaker 2 And that's to me, that was the scariest part of the whole thing.

Speaker 1 It was, it was

Speaker 1 like something you hope will never happen again.

Speaker 4 But while watching it's just like what is it you're right like it was just the waves of it where it's like oh man there's another person there's another person there's another guy oh there's turtle from entourage he just got knocked out i actually thought you did a very good job of of telling people what was going on as it was happening because in a situation like that it's just such chaos in the building you still were like you got it you got a job to do mike you have to tell people exactly what's going on who's in the stands who's on the court what's happening

Speaker 2 was that a conscious decision you made in the moment like i'm going going to stand here i'm going to just kind of be like a play-by-play announcer for a giant brawl well i give credit to at that time the knicks had been involved in a number of different brawls so it wasn't the first one you know i talked before about how the first time you you experience something on the air you you kind of have to navigate and sometimes make mistakes the first time and then you get better each time Well, I got better with each basketball brawl.

Speaker 2 And by this time, I had done a few of them. And I remember, I can't remember where I first heard it from, but they said when something like that happens, do play-by-play.
Just do the play-by-play.

Speaker 2 Talk about what you see. It's obviously not basketball, it's a fight.
And that's what I tried to do

Speaker 2 on that particular night.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I'm also curious to know from your point of view how the game.
So the game of basketball has obviously changed a lot in the last 20, 30 years.

Speaker 4 How has the announcing game changed?

Speaker 2 That's a great question. Great question.
Thank you. First off,

Speaker 2 you know, the technology in terms of coverage and the amount of cameras and the ability of the cameras to catch every little thing

Speaker 2 really gives you a better insight and feel of

Speaker 2 specific plays, in-depth look at, you know, whether fouls are called, et cetera. It's just, I'm amazed by the technology.

Speaker 2 I do think the analytics has just gone crazy And they're great for the game. They're great for the fan.
But trying to find a balance between, okay, let's do some numbers,

Speaker 2 but let's not get crazy with numbers because too much numbers, the spoken word, can just get all mangled up into one thing. So I think that's two of the ways that it's changed.

Speaker 2 You know, I think another thing, if you look back at old any sport, and I'm sure you guys have seen this, you go back to an

Speaker 2 older game broadcast in the 70s or the 80s, and often you don't think the announcers are that excited. It was a much more, a calmer way of calling the game, even big moments.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that, you know, they raised their level a little bit, but the calls have become much more high intensity than they ever used to.

Speaker 2 Compare a 1970s or 80s call of a finals game or a Super Bowl, and then compare it to now.

Speaker 2 It's different in a lot of cases. And I think that's a big part that

Speaker 2 it's become okay.

Speaker 2 In fact, it's become a good way to show you're excited as much of a fan. Back in the old days, you wouldn't do that because you'd sound like a fan.
Now I think it's more

Speaker 2 encouraged. And I think fans like that, that you're excited or as excited as they are sometimes on a big play.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I love like the home broadcast, whether it be for basketball or baseball, where it's like you can kind of mix that the guys are rooting for the same thing that you're rooting for.

Speaker 1 For you, the Knicks,

Speaker 1 and then

Speaker 1 you call the Knicks all during the regular season, then you got to call them in the playoffs. Was that difficult? And did you get any,

Speaker 1 were Knicks fans mad at you? Because you are their voice and they listen to you all regular season. Now you're in the playoffs and you have to call it down the middle.

Speaker 1 Did you find yourself slipping at all? Or was there any moments you're like, oh man,

Speaker 1 I kind of hope the Knicks win this game?

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 I hope not on the air, but we, you know, I know some Knicks fans are upset. Like

Speaker 2 Nimhard hit a big three to win a game, game three against the Pacers, and he got a bang there. And Nick fans were like mad that I did a bang for an opponent.

Speaker 2 Pacer fans were very upset. They felt we were way too pro-Nick and rooting for the Knicks.
You know, I went back.

Speaker 1 and especially on games like that i don't do it a lot but i went back and watched the games to see if i felt there was bias because i'm i'd like to think i'm my harshest critic and i didn't see that um so i felt good about it but i know you know there's always people that think that that you're rooting one for one way or or the other for whoever the team is yeah it's also just got to be difficult for you just sitting there because you're sitting in you know msg and you've been doing it all year and then you're watching the same team that you know so well it's like kind of hard to not have something slip out it's a testament to you and and your professionalism but i would definitely just be like yeah i'm i'm rooting for the knicks i'm yelling refs what do you want me to say like i want to keep calling Knicks games.

Speaker 2 I've done enough of them over the years, and there's so much to concentrate on in terms of the actual job

Speaker 2 that it's not as hard as you think. I'm sure there's some people that will disagree, but I'd like to think we did a nice, unbiased, down-the-middle call.

Speaker 4 What about Luca? We were talking with Rachel Nichols last week about Luca Doncic and

Speaker 4 how he likes to get in the refs' ear. He likes to get in everybody's ear.
When he's yelling at the refs, is he yelling in, was it Slovenian or is he yelling in English?

Speaker 2 I think he mixes it up. Um, he's trying to get better.

Speaker 2 Um, he was really bad, probably the worst in the league for a couple of years, but he's really trying to get better.

Speaker 2 There was a game recently where he started to get mad and he stopped and he went up to the ref. He had his hands together like he was praying, like, please, I just want to talk to you.

Speaker 2 I don't want to yell. I want to talk to you.
He's working on it. Um, you know, sometimes we do forget these guys are so young, man.

Speaker 2 It's like I can imagine me 22 being in that kind of hostile atmosphere, the pressure of playing against the best in the world. It's hard not to get emotional.
And I think he's gotten better at it.

Speaker 2 And hopefully that'll continue because, man,

Speaker 2 he is a generational player, so competitive. And JJ Reddick, who now is one of my partners.
on ESPN and ABC, he played with him.

Speaker 2 And because Luke is pretty close to the best with the media, it's hard to kind of get close and get to know what he's really like.

Speaker 2 JJ says he's one of the best teammates he's ever been around. The guy is like so normal off the court and just an encouraging, supportive teammate.

Speaker 4 So what was your advice to JJ when he told you last week that he was going to leave and take the Lakers job after these NBA finals?

Speaker 2 So when the word came out, we've been having a lot of fun with him. You know, it's clearly a compliment that he's thought of so highly, his basketball mind, that teams would be interested.

Speaker 2 So I told him, I said, listen, if you take one of these jobs,

Speaker 2 I'd be so happy for you and I'd root like crazy for you and I would never talk to you again.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he would collect like all the stones of being one of the most hated people, being a dupe guy and a Laker. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you need to keep him around because when J.J. Reddick sits next to you, people will just like naturally be like, I like that other guy who's not JJ Reddick.

Speaker 1 Because, you know, just years of just having all this hate build up in us for JJ Reddick, you can't help it. You're just like, yeah, shut up, J.J.
Reddick. Let Mike Green talk.
You know,

Speaker 2 he has amazing stories about when he played at Duke. And it wasn't easy, to say the least.

Speaker 2 There's some mean, cruel, ugly crowds that he had to deal with. And

Speaker 2 the amount of mental toughness to be able to deal with that and play at the level he played while he was at Duke,

Speaker 2 I find remarkable. And now getting to know him, uh, the guy is just, he's got such a brilliant basketball mind.

Speaker 2 And what I love is he he loves the game as much as any player that I've ever been around. And that combination is pretty cool to be around.

Speaker 1 All right, we're going to cut that part.

Speaker 1 We're not, we're not, we're not complimenting JJ on this podcast.

Speaker 1 I wanted to go back to a name that you mentioned earlier, uh, Michael Kay, who's the voice of the Yankees, who was your good friend at Fordham. And uh,

Speaker 1 did you ever, I mean, do you guys pinch yourself being like, we were sitting, you know, at the freshman dorms or wherever it may be at Fordham saying, oh, we want to be the voice of the Knicks and the voice of the Yankees.

Speaker 1 And then it happened? Like, that's crazy that that happened.

Speaker 2 Well, the first part did happen. And we would say that, like, what, what, if you could pick any job, what would you want to be?

Speaker 2 And his was the Yankees, and mine's was the Knicks, and mine was the Knicks. And,

Speaker 2 you know, it's, we do. We talk talk about it a lot.

Speaker 2 We realize how blessed we are. We can't believe it.
I'm so proud of him and how long he's been there. I mean, it's just incredible that maybe the number one franchise in all of sports.

Speaker 2 And he's been there for so many years and has done such a fantastic job. So it's the odds of that happening, I think, are probably small, but

Speaker 2 it we do talk about it and we realize how lucky we are.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 When you were a kid, did you have, you know, we were talking about an athlete the other week that wrote down, like, I will be an NFL football player in the draft and then put it up on the wall of his house.

Speaker 4 Did you want to be a professional athlete or did you want to be a broadcaster for sports?

Speaker 2 Oh, no. I wanted to be a

Speaker 2 major league baseball player. I wanted to play for the Mets.

Speaker 2 I was a skinny kid. So Bud Harrelson was my favorite player.
So every uniform that I wore, little league, and I think even in high school when I played baseball, always wanted to get number three.

Speaker 2 So that was it. But I was,

Speaker 2 I have a lot of faults, but one strength I have is I'm very well aware of my limitations. And I knew very early, I had no shot.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.
You're this high school kid with a booming voice. And your coach is probably like, have you ever thought about talking about sports instead of playing?

Speaker 1 I'm like, when did you realize you had a good voice?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I never realized that.

Speaker 2 And you know what? That's another part of the question you asked before. If I can go sideways for a second.

Speaker 2 There was a time in the industry where if you didn't have those golden pipes that, you know, so many, you didn't get a job. And now you don't have to have the golden pipes.

Speaker 2 You just have to be able to project and have a voice that cuts through the sound and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 But I never felt I had that kind of. that kind of

Speaker 2 deep pipes that they talk about.

Speaker 2 I just,

Speaker 2 I didn't start thinking about it till I was like 16 or 17 because a neighborhood friend was working at a college radio station and he gave, he kind of put the bug in my ears, guy, Tony Minicola in Yonkers, where I grew up.

Speaker 2 And that's the first time I thought about doing it.

Speaker 4 Tony Minicola.

Speaker 1 What a name. Great name.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 So did you ever have to like lose the New York accent?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I still, there's still, if I get tired, it'll come out. Like the G on ING words, they're nowhere to be found when I start to get tired.
And every once in a while, there's other words that come out.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I've tried to work on it.

Speaker 4 So did you have to practice that?

Speaker 2 No, not really. Just like just more enunciate.
That was my biggest flaw was that I didn't fully enunciate words. I'd leave off like the last letter of some words and just get a little lazy, I guess.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What's the dumb, probably a dumb question? What's the best arena to call a game in? Is it is, because, you know, we ask that about, we ask that with athletes all the time.

Speaker 1 Like, what's the toughest place to play? Is there a best and a toughest place to call a game at?

Speaker 2 at there's there's a number of arenas that are just off the charts that it's just you you feel it in your bones when you're sitting there madison square garden is right up there there is no better place when it's a big event yeah

Speaker 2 whether it's basketball whether it's hockey even like a concert there's just no better place the old chicago stadium was the loudest building i've ever been in

Speaker 2 You could be sitting next to right next to the person. And when the Bulls fans were going crazy, I could be screaming screaming and you wouldn't hear a word I say.

Speaker 2 Oracle Arena at the Golden State Old Arena was as loud as they come.

Speaker 2 The TD Garden is fantastic right now, the one in Boston. Oklahoma City, it's like a college crowd there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Is there any bad ones?

Speaker 1 Not bad in terms of the crowd, but in terms of the setup where it's like, ah, the sight lines or, you know, it's a little bit more difficult. I got to be on my A game tonight.

Speaker 2 Well, when you do national games, the sight lines are the same. Mid-court, court side.

Speaker 2 Fantastic. Fantastic for better.
What's changed in the industry, and here's another part of the other answer.

Speaker 2 They've now moved the local broadcasts, both radio and TV in a number of arenas up above the first level.

Speaker 2 And that can be hard.

Speaker 2 There's some really rough ones where you're way up and you wind up doing a lot of the game off the monitor as opposed to watching in person.

Speaker 2 You're there in the arena and you're doing the game off the monitor. And it's, I think there's like 13 arenas now where they have us way up.
And it's unfortunate. I think it compromises the product.

Speaker 2 It's not good for the fans who are watching at home because we can't do as good a job.

Speaker 2 But it's all about

Speaker 2 selling the seats down low where we used to be for a lot of money. Yeah.

Speaker 4 What about the meal situation? Is there one team that has that's known to hook you guys up with some real choice cuts?

Speaker 1 Good question. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 if you've been doing this a long time,

Speaker 2 you know that that's not only a good question, it's one of the most important questions.

Speaker 2 Because I eat wherever, when I like to eat at the arena when I get there. And when you have good food at a

Speaker 2 media dining, as they call it, dinings, depending on where you go, perhaps not the right word.

Speaker 2 There's no question. We talk about that all the time.
We rate who's got the best, who's not the best. Like we're just in Boston.
Boston has a great one, just a great one. And

Speaker 2 Dallas is another one that has one of the better meal rooms, too.

Speaker 4 What about a what's your pregame meal? Is it something that you stick to?

Speaker 4 Are you a creature of habit where you have the same thing before every, or do you just kind of mix it up depending where you are?

Speaker 2 Oh, I'll eat anything. I have my appetite is whatever is available.
And that includes as much dessert as possible.

Speaker 2 In fact, JJ was making a point of me goes, How could you eat dessert before a game? And I say,

Speaker 2 How can you not eat dessert?

Speaker 4 Such a duocey.

Speaker 1 Isn't he the worst? He's the worst.

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Speaker 1 Terms apply.

Speaker 1 So you have called so many NBA games.

Speaker 1 You are the voice of the NBA. That's how I introduced you here.
And I do believe that.

Speaker 1 You've also called the Olympics.

Speaker 1 I got to go try to find, track it down. You called ski jumping.
How was that? Was that like,

Speaker 1 what do they even do in ski jumping? They just jump, right?

Speaker 2 It was one of the coolest things I've ever done. And the thing is, here I'm the announcer on ski jumping.
I was was never on skis in my life at that point.

Speaker 2 But they gave me an analyst, a guy named Jeff Hastings, who was an American ski jumper. And he took all care of the technology.

Speaker 2 I'd basically say who the jumper was, where he was from, his record, his history, and all that kind of stuff. And then

Speaker 2 the guy would take off and Jeff would take over.

Speaker 2 And he would, he would, you know, he could see if this was going to be a good one or a bad one, how deep it was, how high it was, all that kind of stuff. And

Speaker 2 it was really fun because I took it from a standpoint of a novice. I didn't know anything about him.

Speaker 2 So, the questions I asked him: you know, anybody who is an idiot about skiing, that's what they're gonna, they were gonna ask that. And that's what I asked because I didn't know any better.

Speaker 2 And I felt it was like, I was actually really proud of that because I took it from a standpoint of, all right, I'm a viewer who does not know the sport, and I have a chance to ask him this.

Speaker 2 But a part of the thing that was so hard is you never, you couldn't do it live.

Speaker 2 What we would do is you'd sit there and you'd watch 30 guys go off.

Speaker 2 And NBC wouldn't have all 30 guys on their coverage. They'd only take 10.
So they would take the top 10 scores. We'd go into a studio and now we'd have to announce it like it was live going on.

Speaker 2 And I could have cheated, you know, if I knew this guy was going to go, I could have said, and I just get the feeling this is going to be a special jump.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I didn't do it and Jeff didn't do it. And, but it was interesting trying to manufacture the enthusiasm on a big jump like that when we knew whether he finished second or he finished 43rd.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Did you bang it all then? Or no?

Speaker 2 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 That would have been awesome. No, that would have been if they crashed, not if they just.

Speaker 1 What if they hit like a big one? I don't even know what a big one is called in the ski jump, but they hit the big one. You just give them a bang.
Can bang go in any other sports?

Speaker 1 Could you use it in any other sports?

Speaker 2 I suppose.

Speaker 1 We should think of it. Boxing.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I feel like boxing would be a good one.

Speaker 2 Boxing would be good. I did the NFL for a number of years, long time ago.
And maybe on

Speaker 2 a great catch in the end zone. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Field goal? Long field goal? Yeah, long field goal would work.

Speaker 2 Really? A field goal?

Speaker 1 Game-winning field goal. Game-winning field goal? Bang work.
And bang a field goal. Right.

Speaker 1 Now, do you do it...

Speaker 2 Like, soon as it goes through the crossbars? Do you wait till the hands go up? I mean,

Speaker 1 I think you go hands. Yeah, yeah.
You wait for hands.

Speaker 4 You can't miss that bang. If it looks like it's good and it's short and the refs don't, you can't prematurely bang.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No bang.

Speaker 1 One off the bang.

Speaker 4 Is there any other sport that you would like to do? Are you just going to be basketball for the rest of your life?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I've been kind of a one-trick pony.

Speaker 2 I think I'd love to do

Speaker 2 because I'm a huge Met fan. I would love to do a Met game someday.

Speaker 1 Oh, oh,

Speaker 1 could bang a you could bang a third strike for sure.

Speaker 1 A home run, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 Uh, we should we should do a broadcast, Mike Breen and Frank the Tank.

Speaker 1 Oh, got a color guy for you. Yeah, do you know Frank the Tank? Are you aware of Frank the Tank?

Speaker 2 Yes, I'm aware of Frank the Tank.

Speaker 1 Oh, I mean, everyone is. You can't be a new, I think.
That's the like you're not a New Yorker if you don't know who Frank the Tank is.

Speaker 2 Um, but you know, I think, I think, um, what else? I love golf, so I would love to, I would love to, uh, love to do a golf golf broadcast someday. Use my voice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, careful with that. That's when we, that's when everyone started hating Joe Buck again, because they already hated him, and then they started hating him again after that.

Speaker 2 Well, it's funny, like you asked about, um, do you have haters? And you really do after a while. You develop a thing, thin skin, and, and, uh.

Speaker 2 you're like, you don't, you don't worry about it. And one thing that I think, I think Joe Buck is one of the most talented people who've ever done this.

Speaker 2 The guy is phenomenal at any sport.

Speaker 2 One of the greats of all time on the Mount Rushmore, whatever you want to say. So if he gets criticism, anybody could get criticism.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he told us one time he peed in a bottle during a game because he had to go. Have you ever done that? It's probably harder for you because you're not up in the booth.

Speaker 2 Joe went there.

Speaker 2 I don't think people need to know that. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We know, we love Joe. He's a friend of ours.
He's also addicted to hair plugs. So

Speaker 1 we should plug that for him.

Speaker 1 Almost took his voice away. Yeah.
Yeah. He's got a big head.
He's got a lot to cover. Go has a big head.
Yeah, he's got a big head. It's pretty big.

Speaker 4 It's big for his size.

Speaker 1 Oh, we got Knicks fans are just like circling outside of our office being like, oh, Mike Breen's on the call. We got to.

Speaker 1 So you have a lot of fans in this office.

Speaker 1 If you call a Bulls game next year, we'd love to have you come by. Maybe you could call us playing five on five, and that would be probably the end of your career.

Speaker 2 But I promise I will come by.

Speaker 2 You guys are so much fun.

Speaker 2 I'm honored to be on.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
Well, thanks so much, Mike. We love you, and we're excited for the finals and for you to give us great finals.

Speaker 2 Thank you, guys. Thank you very much.

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Okay, Hank, finish this off. Fire Fest.

Speaker 1 Nothing? Nothing at all? What about the John Dale? I mean, the John Daly challenge. John Daly Challenge.
Oh. Don't spoil it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, don't spoil the video, Hank.

Speaker 1 How did you guys feel the day after?

Speaker 4 Terrible. I felt concerningly good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I didn't feel that bad.

Speaker 4 I want another cigarette.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I didn't sleep that night.

Speaker 1 And I felt bad all. It's basically the John, not Memorial Day weekend, the John Daly

Speaker 1 memorial day weekend left me with had nothing to do with memory six day hangover daily strings hand up uh out you know nothing do you think maybe the not sleeping had anything to do with the uh the copious amounts of adderol you took before the challenge i did take a couple atder all

Speaker 1 right i am prescribed and

Speaker 1 i don't really yeah whatever he just said we were driving up to the suburbs and he just said to me,

Speaker 1 I got to take some Adderall because there's no way I'm going to smoke these cigarettes without it.

Speaker 4 I don't like smoking sicks.

Speaker 1 had to.

Speaker 1 I was like, you want to drive the car? I tried to drink a couple beers because I don't really smoke cigs, but when I do, I'm like very drunk.

Speaker 1 So I was like, maybe I have to, you know, feel a little alcohol in me.

Speaker 4 I only drink when I smoke?

Speaker 1 What was I about to say? Fuck.

Speaker 1 Oh, and then I was also, Adderall makes me mute. So I was just a miserable fuck on the video.
And you guys remember. It makes you good at golf.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tune in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, at times. No, don't, especially my mom.

Speaker 4 At times, you were good.

Speaker 4 So my Fire Fest was going to be like, I miss smoking cigarettes. Yeah, I miss a lot.

Speaker 1 So, Hank, you just had an awesome week.

Speaker 1 This week's flown by. Well, because it was only four days.
I know.

Speaker 1 I feel like this is a shorter week than every week. Also, at the time of this recording, it's been three days.

Speaker 4 It's Thursday.

Speaker 4 It's flown by. Tuesday, Wednesday, and most of Thursday.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a short week. I mean, we had a fun week.
We did it. We golfed on Monday.
We played roof ball today. We got pup punk tomorrow.
It's been an awesome week. It's been a fun week.

Speaker 1 It's been the best weather. Like today was the best weather possible.
Just not a cloud in the sky, 72 degrees. Don't you think more Celtics are in the finals? Like, life is good.
All right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Good, Hank. Happy for you.
I want you to be happy. Thank you.

Speaker 4 And to a certain extent.

Speaker 1 How's Duncan going? It's going well. I trained.
I trained four times this week. Well, three so far, one more tomorrow.

Speaker 1 I'll say it. I'm getting a little nervous.

Speaker 1 You do look like you're in better shape. I found a trainer that

Speaker 1 has his master's degree in like fitness

Speaker 1 in fitness. So he's like, we're going through a program that is designed for me to dunk.
And I'm doing stuff that I never would do on my own. And it's working.
So I think if I just

Speaker 1 stick to it, like, and I've told this guy a million times he doesn't want to hear it, but once we get to September and it's lock-in time, like the steroid conversation will probably happen.

Speaker 4 Wait, what is this special routine that you're in? What kind of exercises is he having you do that you've never legs to yourself? Legs.

Speaker 1 All of the legs. Feed the wolf.
A lot of plyometrics, a lot of jumping stuff, but like just

Speaker 1 it's also just like gradual increases versus, you know, I'm like, let me put a bunch of weight on and try and do a couple good reps.

Speaker 1 It's like lower weight, higher reps, and then the next week you do more weight. It's obviously for anyone that lifts weight and trains, it's like no shit, dude.
But I've never done that. So

Speaker 1 it's working. Good for you.

Speaker 4 good job Hank good job I got a couple fire fests my first one was going to be about like the golfing I really enjoyed smoking the cigarettes I don't smoke anymore but now I'm it rocked it rocked honestly smoking cigarettes on the golf course and I truly miss it but I'm not gonna do it not gonna dive into it

Speaker 4 but that kind of also goes against what I decided to do on last Saturday which was I just I thought to myself it's time to get back in shape got to get in shape before you're 40 feel like anything you do before you're 40 that's who you're going to be after 40.

Speaker 1 40 is like a big cutoff. Wait, but what about our deal? Because I'm with you.
I've lost 10 pounds since football season. I've been trying to eat clean.

Speaker 1 Donnie's been cooking for us, playing basketball.

Speaker 1 What? I've been cooking those too. Oh, Hank's been cooking those too.

Speaker 1 The ones you cook are bad.

Speaker 1 Well, I just, I agree. Well, we agreed we were going to get some tomatoes for Donnie.
We were going to get in great shape at 40 and then just get fat again.

Speaker 4 Then get fat, real fat, right afterwards. Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 Even for that, I don't want to.

Speaker 4 But that's what I'm saying. Like, if I'm in shape the day I turn 40, I can get fat and then get back in shape, no problem.

Speaker 1 What weight are we hitting? I said 220, which is crazy.

Speaker 4 So right now I'm at 183, but it's a bad 183. So I got to lose like 10 pounds and then gain 15 pounds back.
So I want to end up at 190, but a good 190.

Speaker 1 I was like 247. Jacked 190.
50, 247.50, floating after football season. I'm like 235-ish.
That's pretty good. Floating, 7, 8.
That's not bad. So to accomplish this, like 20 more pounds.

Speaker 4 To accomplish this, I decided to start intermittent fasting. Yeah.
So you do, I only eat between noon and 8 p.m.

Speaker 1 Didn't eat any wings tonight.

Speaker 4 Didn't eat a single wing tonight. It was very mean that you guys ordered wings after I told you I wasn't eating after 8, my favorite food in the entire world.

Speaker 4 But I've kind of put a twist on it because I think with intermittent fasting, you can just eat whatever the fuck you want want between noon and eight, right?

Speaker 4 So I'm trying a new diet that I think I invented, which is strictly uncrustables.

Speaker 4 So I've had, I had four uncrustables on Tuesday. I had four on Wednesday.
I had two today.

Speaker 4 You look thinner. I think I'm just going to eat.
That's it? I think I'm going to eat uncrustables.

Speaker 1 Just only uncrustables. You've got no wings.
No, but I'm saying that's all, like, that's your intake of the day. Yeah.
Yeah, two uncrustables, no wings. Well, four, yeah.

Speaker 1 meal plan there's no breakfast my meal plan is I eat four uncrustable you didn't have any jambalaya today yeah but that was I also had the two uncrustable that was roofball jambalaya that's totally different you didn't have any pizza at pop punk practice uh no I didn't Max

Speaker 4 and he also didn't have any wings you nark I was just I mean we were chatting no yeah we were we were chatting but no I did not I did not and then memes is over here raining on my parade being like oh you can't drink coffee how have you of all people not gonna have a wing I didn't have any wings didn't have any wings what are you talking about I didn't have a single wing.

Speaker 4 No wings.

Speaker 1 That's hard to believe. I watched him.
He went and sniffed at me, looked at him. It was very sad.
I was like, PFT have a wing.

Speaker 4 Jake, back me up on this. Did I have a wing today?

Speaker 1 No wings. No wings.
Jake never lied. Pug, you were in the kitchen.
You were in the kitchen. Did PFT have any wings? Did you have any wings?

Speaker 1 I did not see PFT have any wings, Pug.

Speaker 4 Thank you, Pug. Nice.
Honest men.

Speaker 1 Why'd you say that so funny?

Speaker 4 Yeah, but no, I think that there's something to the Uncrustable diet. I think that the Uncrustable is probably the perfect snack, the perfect meal, the perfect everything.

Speaker 4 I did not have an uncrustable until I was, it was like two years ago. I had my first one.
Changed my life.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Overnight.
They're incredible. I mean, we just kind of talked about it, but since I'm like a fitness expert now, what about, you know, protein?

Speaker 4 Peanut butter. There's peanut butter and uncrustable.

Speaker 1 No, he said he didn't have any wings. Greens.

Speaker 4 There's purple and uncrustables. Purple is a green.
PFTs. Purple is a vegetable.
You saw the wings.

Speaker 1 Do you think they tasted good if you saw them?

Speaker 4 I mean, I can't imagine. I have no idea.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I would have no idea. I had one.
It was hot as fuck. You tricked me with it.

Speaker 4 It wasn't that hot. Hey.
It was a brown pussy.

Speaker 1 You tricked me with one that looked like a barbecue wing, and I almost died. Oh, that was the natural hot.
Yeah, it was hot. Yeah, it was hot as fuck.

Speaker 4 I can't even begin to imagine what the wings tasted like, so I will not answer.

Speaker 1 I didn't have a single wing, no. No, he did not have one.
He did not have one. He had a bite of one.
No, he did not have one or a bite of one. Did you have two?

Speaker 1 No, he did not have two. Did you have three?

Speaker 4 I didn't have a wing.

Speaker 1 I didn't have a wing.

Speaker 4 But yeah, dude, fuck it. Like, I think that the uncrustable diet, some dietitian out there, tell me that I'm right.

Speaker 4 I just need one person that's a dietitian.

Speaker 1 If you were like one years old, I think you'd be in the clear. You're right.

Speaker 4 No, you're right. Do you think one-year-olds eat uncrustables?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, not one-year-olds, but like two, three.

Speaker 1 My nephew eats uncrustable. It's the new diet.
That's what my one-year-old does.

Speaker 4 It's the new diet. It's called Eat How You Dress.

Speaker 4 And I dress like a six. Did you eat a sill across? No, I dress like a six-year-old.
You dress like a chickenawig most frequently. No, I dress like three chicken awakes.

Speaker 1 or four no

Speaker 1 anyways me and big cat are gonna be jacked dude we are like listen can people be supportive i know that i've said this many times before but i like 40 is

Speaker 1 it's kind of my head up yeah and i would like to just be in decent shape. I'd spent my 30s being a fat fuck working a lot.
Let's get to 40 and just be beasts.

Speaker 4 And then we're going to be like 40 and a half and be fat again.

Speaker 1 That's fine. As long as we kiss the wall.
Just kiss the wall. Say we got there.
We could get there again if we wanted to.

Speaker 4 That's what I'm saying. Like if you get there by the time you're 40, then when you're 45, oh, I was in good shape when I was 40.

Speaker 1 Let's go back to Uncrustables in three wings.

Speaker 4 Exactly. I'm just going to eat seven uncrustables a day and get jacked.

Speaker 4 That's a good business idea. Like, what if there's uncrustables with protein in them? Yeah.
Like, uncrustables for the guy that works out hard, that lifts heavy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm talking about. So please be supportive.
We're going to be 40. We should take pictures before and after.

Speaker 1 Well, I guess we're just taking pictures all the time. You'll see us.
When you see us Super Bowl week, it's going to be fucking on. We might actually go topless all Super Bowl week.

Speaker 4 What does the intermittent fasting thing say about drinking beers? I don't know. I would venture to say most of my beer consumption is post-isn't fasting just food?

Speaker 1 I don't think it qualifies when you're like enjoying yourself. Okay, when we're having a good time, if you're having a good time,

Speaker 1 Super Bowl, I thought of a bet for our season-long contest.

Speaker 1 I don't know how many bars there are on Bourbon Street, but a loser has to put on a GoPro and just get a drink from every single bar. Yep.
And

Speaker 1 that'd be so funny. In.

Speaker 1 There's probably like 50.

Speaker 1 Probably way more, actually.

Speaker 4 My guess is. I'm in.

Speaker 1 I don't think you would do that. I would have to.

Speaker 4 It's 30 bars. All right.
Well, we'll figure it out.

Speaker 1 I mean, it would be funny. Maybe do Man on the Street.

Speaker 1 It would be funny. All right.
We have a lot of time to to decide that. All right, I have two Fire Fests.
My first Fire Fest is next weekend. I'm going to

Speaker 4 60. Sorry, there's 60 bars.
60 bars. That's a lot of drinks.

Speaker 1 That's too many drinks.

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Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 My other Fire Fest is

Speaker 1 I share some stuff about my kids.

Speaker 1 I think there's a good amount of dads that listen to pardon my take because we're aging. We're about to be 40.

Speaker 1 I'm now in the questions I can't answer phase with my son,

Speaker 1 and it's getting increasingly difficult. Can I throw some of them at you guys?

Speaker 1 Yesterday he asked me what blueberries are made of. Blue.
That's what I said. They're blue.
Didn't really, he didn't really take that for seats.

Speaker 1 He also asked me when you die, do you become alive again? Yeah, that's actually.

Speaker 4 That's a good question. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dogs. Someone in his class is talking about death.

Speaker 4 Incarnation.

Speaker 1 I don't want that kid around my son.

Speaker 4 You know what a good thing to do is? You got to answer those questions with a question. You just got to say, why do you ask?

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That doesn't work.

Speaker 4 Get like more. It doesn't work.
More childlike on him. Why?

Speaker 1 No, his move is he goes, you're the adult. Why don't you know? That's a good question.
He said he dropped that on me tonight.

Speaker 4 It's a valid valid point.

Speaker 1 If you bust out the Bible on him.

Speaker 1 Just go Bible? Yeah. Just read him a passage and be like, this is your answer.
And he'll be like, what?

Speaker 4 The answer is in this book.

Speaker 1 Read it. Read it.

Speaker 1 What's stronger, our house, or our car?

Speaker 4 House. Is it, though? Yeah, that's an easy one.
A car can hit you. Yeah, but if a car hit your house,

Speaker 4 the car would break. The house would still stay.

Speaker 1 The house doesn't move. The car moves.
It's a weapon.

Speaker 4 The house is like an offensive lineman, and the car is like a linebacker. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, that works. And then the last one he had was: he asked me if his younger brother, who's one, when he

Speaker 1 starts speaking, will he speak in English or Spanish? That one confused the fuck out of me.

Speaker 4 You got to teach your one-year-old Spanish back.

Speaker 1 I was just like, what?

Speaker 4 Like, where did we get this one from?

Speaker 1 Yeah, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 Whatever he chooses. He's just like, which one is he going to be doing?

Speaker 4 Did you hit the SAP button on this thing?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm in that phase. Yeah,

Speaker 1 when he responds responds with you're the adult, tell me. Oh, also, what are

Speaker 1 spider webs made out of?

Speaker 1 I said cum.

Speaker 4 Yeah, spider cum. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That actually.

Speaker 1 He asked what that was. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Spider-Come? No.

Speaker 1 Spiders are back with a vengeance. Oh, yeah.
You got a lot of spiders.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I think it's with a vengeance. Just fucking spray them, dude.

Speaker 1 I have. They keep coming.
Like, that's the problem. Blow torch them.

Speaker 1 I ordered some smelling things that apparently might keep them away. No, those never work.

Speaker 4 So is it still contained on your balcony?

Speaker 1 I've taken them out. I took them out last year, got rid of them.
And then a couple weeks ago, saw some webs, broomed them out. And then last weekend, like, I went out last night and

Speaker 1 they're back. So it's like they're fighting back.
And now I'm worried that they're mobilizing and like going to.

Speaker 4 They're mobilizing?

Speaker 1 100% they are.

Speaker 4 They're talking to each other. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're going to invade. What about what was that book? Charlotte's Webb, Get a Pig.

Speaker 1 No, they'll become best friends.

Speaker 4 Did that end up well?

Speaker 1 Charlotte died. Fuck.
Yeah. But the pig, I think, lived.

Speaker 4 Speaking of Charlotte.

Speaker 1 Until he became bacon.

Speaker 4 Speaking of Charlotte, have you guys heard the news? The stingray update? No.

Speaker 1 I only get it from you.

Speaker 1 Here's the only thing that's going to be a good thing.

Speaker 4 This fucking aquarium, a journalist went there being like, when's this fucking stingray going to squirt out the pups? And you know what the aquarium did? They called the cops on the journalists.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 4 And now now they're muting all the comments.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I know.

Speaker 4 Yeah, there's something fishy is going on at the aquarium.

Speaker 4 Damn. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 4 The FT was right.

Speaker 1 By the way, we should have mentioned on Tuesday's show, R.I.P. Harambe, eight years.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Eight-year anniversary.

Speaker 4 Gone too soon.

Speaker 1 All right, Jake, finish this off. Yeah, I have a new addiction.
Uh-oh. A few years ago.
Pussy? Oh. It was an Azel spray.
Yeah. Cocaine.

Speaker 1 No. Oh, oh, oh.
Mushrooms? Because you were in a hamster? No, no, no.

Speaker 4 Oh, prostitutes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There you go, Jake. I don't know.
Like, you get wet. Good stuff.
Do it. Mr.
Position? Come on, Jake. No.
This one I actually think is relatable to you guys, but no free ads.

Speaker 1 But a certain snack company has been sending a lot of their product. I'll say

Speaker 1 Dots. If Dots.

Speaker 4 Because after the interview with McShea, I was like, I would stand on the table in terms of snacks in my warroom for Dots Pretzels. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, I do want them to advertise with us.

Speaker 1 Dots, can you please send us some of the pork rinds? Because those are no carbs and they are so good.

Speaker 4 I haven't had those yet. Oh my God, they're so good.

Speaker 1 Cinnamon sugar pretzels are the most addicting thing I've ever had. I went to the store the other day.

Speaker 4 Jake, you also haven't had any drugs. Right.

Speaker 1 But still, you have zero addictions. I've never been addicted to a snack more than this, and

Speaker 1 it's dangerous. It's crack.
Now it's crack. It is crazy.

Speaker 1 They're all good. They're so good.
Advertise with us, Dots.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 4 We'll never say your name again after giving you

Speaker 4 thousands of dollars. Never say it.

Speaker 1 Also, send us the pork runs. Yeah, so it's been.

Speaker 1 I got to wash myself, but they're delicious.

Speaker 4 They are good.

Speaker 1 You're fine.

Speaker 4 I don't know. I hoard those things on airplanes, too.
You want a small thing of pretzels? Yeah, I'll take three. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'll just put them in my pocket. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Have them later.

Speaker 1 We'll just start smelling Jake's fingers.

Speaker 4 I already do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, every morning.

Speaker 1 Pussy or dots.

Speaker 1 Game we play with Jake every morning.

Speaker 4 It's always dots.

Speaker 1 Mondays, it's pussy.

Speaker 1 What do you got, Max? Are you saying something? You were about to say something?

Speaker 1 Buy your Father's Day merch. Yes.
Last day. Last day.
You got to buy it now, and you'll get it in time for Father's Day. We have a ton of awesome stuff in the store.

Speaker 1 Shout out to all the dads. Also, Kyrie's dad.

Speaker 4 Great.

Speaker 1 Hank, get those shirts out of the car right next to the camera. Great, great Father's Day this year.
U.S. Open Final Round.
Nope.

Speaker 1 Nope. Final round.
Right next to Big Cat's camera. Yeah.
At Pinehurst. At Pinehurst.
We've played that. All right.
Hank likes that shirt. You should get that shirt for him.
That's not.

Speaker 1 That's Stella Blue. That's my.
Yep. Nope.
Nope.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Thank you. That's a sick coat, right? The thing is.
Wait, whoa. Yeah, someone made that for me.
This is in the store. Awesome.
No. Oh.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're selling sport coats for my coffee company.

Speaker 1 Max has to come in here and do everything for Hank.

Speaker 1 Look at that. Max.
Max. Oh, I actually wore this shirt today.

Speaker 1 Nice. A lot of compliments.
Nice.

Speaker 1 New mountains are blue. New mountains are blue.
Go buy them. Father's Day merch.
Got to buy it now.

Speaker 1 Go to store.parsal sports.com. All right.
Great show, boys.

Speaker 1 Let's do

Speaker 1 what? What are you going to do? Max, go back to your seat.

Speaker 1 Go back to your seat.

Speaker 1 I haven't said anything.

Speaker 4 Numbers. 18.

Speaker 1 20.

Speaker 1 3.

Speaker 1 56.

Speaker 1 8. 56.
Ah, shit. He got 56.

Speaker 1 99, Poke.

Speaker 1 40. 21.
2.

Speaker 1 What was that? 42. 42.
I have 20. Max, would you like to trade with me?

Speaker 1 No, but PFT, my voice, I'm worried. What?

Speaker 4 Oh, Max is singing with us tomorrow night. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 My voice just went right there.

Speaker 4 Just don't talk. Yeah.
Just stop talking.

Speaker 1 Max, would you like to trade with me? I'll give you an option. 20 for 56.
Straight up. No.

Speaker 1 Okay. What was your number, PFT? I did eight.

Speaker 1 Was everyone else in the booth?

Speaker 1 18, 99. Pugh.
How many songs is he doing? Three. He's doing one song.

Speaker 1 I've never seen someone more nervous for something in my entire life.

Speaker 4 You just did your one-man show in Las Vegas that you spent six months talking about.

Speaker 1 Literally, ruined our life for half a year.

Speaker 1 That was that's what I'm saying, though.

Speaker 4 That was 60 minutes. If I was, if it was two.

Speaker 1 Oh, Hank. 40.
Oh, my. I don't know what you're saying.

Speaker 1 42.

Speaker 1 42.

Speaker 1 Jordy, 40. You were so close.
I should have done it. You were so close.
I actually was also pretty close because two times 20 is 40.

Speaker 1 Max, you were not close.

Speaker 1 Also, you've never gotten it.

Speaker 4 Love you guys.

Speaker 4 Talking away.

Speaker 4 I'm the one

Speaker 4 to say I've changed anyway.

Speaker 4 Today's a mother day to find you shy away.

Speaker 4 Oh, I've been drumming for your love, okay.

Speaker 4 Take

Speaker 4 on

Speaker 4 me.

Speaker 4 Take

Speaker 4 me

Speaker 4 on.

Speaker 4 I'll

Speaker 4 be

Speaker 4 gone

Speaker 4 in a day of change.

Speaker 4 Needless to say,

Speaker 4 I'm on set it's about me, it's so right away.

Speaker 4 Though

Speaker 4 life is okay,

Speaker 4 say after me

Speaker 4 it's no better to say than sorry.

Speaker 4 Take

Speaker 4 on

Speaker 4 me,

Speaker 4 take

Speaker 4 me

Speaker 4 up.

Speaker 4 I'll be

Speaker 4 gone

Speaker 4 and I dream of truth.

Speaker 4 How things let me say,

Speaker 4 yeah, these little eyes both just to blame my worries away.

Speaker 4 You're all things I've got to remember.

Speaker 4 Shy and away

Speaker 4 I'll be coming for you anyway.

Speaker 4 Take

Speaker 4 on

Speaker 4 me.

Speaker 4 Take

Speaker 4 me

Speaker 4 on.

Speaker 4 I'll be

Speaker 4 gone.

Speaker 4 in a day.

Speaker 4 I'll be

Speaker 4 gone

Speaker 4 in the

Speaker 4 morning.

Speaker 4 Oh,