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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have some NBA talk with our good friend Rachel Nichols back on the show.

Speaker 1 And then we have

Speaker 1 two special guests in studio.

Speaker 1 Chris O'Connor and Tommy Pope, comedians from Stuff Island. Also, they're in the new Shane Gillis show,

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Speaker 1 It wasn't a promotional tour, but we talked about it and it was awesome interview with both them and Rachel we're gonna talk some Celtics game two reversing the curse we got some hockey talk we've got an all-time fire fest that I would say everyone should tune into it's important that you listen to it so you know what not to look for online tomorrow it's important yeah you listen to it get educated and then maybe Share what we talked about so that people know what not to share.

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Today is Friday, May 24th. And Hank, congratulations, NBA Finals.
Yeah, Hank.

Speaker 7 Game two, easy.

Speaker 5 No game two blues for the Celtics, for the city of Boston.

Speaker 1 Ass kicking.

Speaker 5 Jalen Brown,

Speaker 5 is Jalen Brown the guy?

Speaker 2 He took it personally.

Speaker 1 Hank actually says it. So we taped Rachel Nichols in the afternoon, and Hank predicted it.
You can see it. He said it all.
He was been saying it for last day.

Speaker 1 He was going to get upset about the fact that he wasn't on the all-NBA teams, and he was going to go off.

Speaker 2 He scored 40.

Speaker 1 Jalen Brown might be the guy.

Speaker 5 I can definitely smell a narrative that's building. There are going to be people that ask, like, is Jalen Brown really the leader of this team? Is he the best player in this team?

Speaker 5 And aside from the player efficiency ratings, scoring, field goal percentage and defense and dribbling with your office wind shares and uh all the other advanced stats except for all those he is the best player on the team yeah and jalen brown was incredible jason tatum was incredible bad first quarter

Speaker 1 i i love that big touch that gave me and like oh my god he only has 12 points in the first plug he's doing so bad he's

Speaker 1 joking with you

Speaker 9 were so you were so ready for it and then jason showed up in the third and fourth quarter yeah when this got over 2020 anthony Edwards didn't even score 20 points last night.

Speaker 1 You probably weren't going to mention that. I was going to mention that.

Speaker 9 But yeah, it was a great game. Jalen Brown, I knew it the second they announced the all-NBA teams.
People call the Celtics a super team. They had one player on the all-NBA team.

Speaker 1 Oh, you love that.

Speaker 1 It's a snub.

Speaker 9 It was absolutely a snub. They were the best team in the league.

Speaker 1 So, wait, are they a super team?

Speaker 1 Clearly not.

Speaker 9 How can you be a super team with one person on the all-NBA team? He makes a good point.

Speaker 1 He makes a good point.

Speaker 12 They were the best team in the league.

Speaker 9 Jalen Brown, all-star, super max, deserves it all. Should have been at least third team.
Probably should have been second team. Great defender, two-way player.

Speaker 9 The second that got announced, I knew he was going to go off tonight. I knew he was going to take it personally.
I say it later in the Rachel Nichols interview. He's going to drop 40 piece.

Speaker 5 And he did. I think they're a super team, but not a super team.

Speaker 9 Yeah, they're a fantastic team.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 2-0. Game two, curse reversed.

Speaker 9 And yeah,

Speaker 9 we're on to, i guess dallas and

Speaker 5 boom that's it's probably earlier for that but i do think that they're gonna beat the pacers the pacers who get that's a bold take no i'm saying like in game crazy in game three i think it it might even be a sweep because haliburton's probably not gonna play

Speaker 1 well

Speaker 1 he's got he's got a hamstring and he seems it'd be tough to come back from a hamstring he might it's probably real but i've also felt like how burton's injuries kind of pop up whenever they're down 20 points.

Speaker 5 If that's the case, then they've got a better shot because I don't know who they're going to have playing defense.

Speaker 5 Nimhard? Is Nimhard going to play defense against Jalen Brown?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, this is.

Speaker 9 Nasmith, their best player is a former Celtic.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 you emptied the bench tonight, which I wish

Speaker 1 Max is not here.

Speaker 9 I know. This is a great shot.

Speaker 2 O'Shea Brissette

Speaker 1 had two points.

Speaker 1 He has two more points in the

Speaker 1 conference finals than Joel Mbeid.

Speaker 5 Wait, wait, you mean this year?

Speaker 1 No, all time. Oh.

Speaker 2 FaceTime him.

Speaker 1 Just tell him.

Speaker 2 Just tell him that's that because he'll just get upset.

Speaker 1 But yeah, he's not here.

Speaker 1 Hank, I have. Yeah, this series is over, and I have another reason for why this series is over.
Hank, I don't know if you saw this story. Are you FaceTiming Max?

Speaker 1 By the way, we're also taping about about to be in second overtime. Connor McDavid could have won this game very easily.

Speaker 5 If he could have scored the big one, then he could have won the big one.

Speaker 1 All he had to do was not double-clutch that. Just fucking put it in, dude.

Speaker 1 Wasn't ready for the moment. Oh, Max is.
Speaking of not ready for the moment. Not ready for the moment.

Speaker 1 He's not ready for the moment.

Speaker 5 He's answered as many FaceTimes as Joel Embiid has points in the conference finals.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's a fact. Pip.

Speaker 5 Pip. Hank's putting everybody on a pip.

Speaker 1 No, Hank.

Speaker 1 The reason why this series is over

Speaker 1 is after the game, Rick Carlisle

Speaker 1 thanked the Boston Police for escorting the Pacers team bus today,

Speaker 1 cutting their commute down from 50 minutes.

Speaker 12 Oh, go ahead.

Speaker 9 Hey, Max.

Speaker 11 Henry.

Speaker 9 Hey, Henry Lockwood here, part of my Take podcast.

Speaker 1 Heard of it.

Speaker 9 We're just doing the show.

Speaker 9 We're talking about stats and Dan big cat cats host one of the co-hosts one of the three co-hosts a part of my team brought up a uh interesting stat that we wanted to call you in and let you know that oh shape reset that's that stupid guy who has more points in conference finals points than joel and b yeah i saw it oh so so you so you did see it

Speaker 15 i was literally looking at it at yes i saw it i was just looking at it and getting mad when you called you favored it did you retweet it

Speaker 15 No, somebody tagged me and it was like, hey, Big Cat, make sure you send this stat to Max. I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 It was the conference finals. Do you think that O'Shea Brissette? Clearly not the Sixers.
Do you think the Sixers could

Speaker 1 build their team around O'Shea Brissette? He can perform in the playoffs, deep into the playoffs.

Speaker 1 He would be great.

Speaker 1 He has more points than Joel Edbette.

Speaker 1 With another.

Speaker 1 That was Fleming.

Speaker 1 That's early Johnson Fleming. You're going to sit another.

Speaker 1 I said another.

Speaker 9 What was 25, like 6 and 7?

Speaker 1 He had 23 23 points.

Speaker 15 Yeah, if Joel and Pete had that stat line, people would be crucified.

Speaker 11 In a win?

Speaker 1 He did go one for seven from three.

Speaker 5 He went through six in the first quarter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and he went nine for 20 from the field.

Speaker 5 We were ready with these stats, Jesus.

Speaker 1 It's insane.

Speaker 9 Yeah. All right, Max, see ya.

Speaker 1 It doesn't hit the same when they win.

Speaker 5 No, when they win impressively, it's tough.

Speaker 1 All right, so back to my stat. Why this series is over.

Speaker 1 Rick Carlisle, after the game, said that the Boston police, he thanked the Boston Police for escorting the Pacers team bus today, saying they cut down the commute from 50 minutes in game one to seven minutes today.

Speaker 1 Do you think there's any chance if the Boston Celtics or the Boston police thought the Pacers posed any type of threat, they would escort them and give them that type of treatment?

Speaker 1 That is a full sign that they know this series is over because that's like a classic. They could just be like, you know what, you find your way to the game.

Speaker 1 We'll let you guys miss shoot around a little bit. They don't even have to do those kind of tricks.
They just know it's over.

Speaker 5 One thing I've learned about the Boston Police Department, they are very much involved in Boston sports. There's that guy, that cop that's always like in Finway Park and Wright Center Field.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that guy hangs.

Speaker 2 Guy went down the slide.

Speaker 5 The guy that went down the slide, which got to meet the internet somehow. I had nothing to do with Boston sports.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but still.

Speaker 9 All-time video.

Speaker 5 And then there's always a cop that's basically in the Celtics team huddle on the sideline. That cop's got the best job in the world.

Speaker 9 Would you rely on play for the Celtics, though? So maybe it was a respect.

Speaker 1 Right, but would you agree with my assessment? Like, if this was a series, if they were playing the Lakers, if they were playing the Sixers, if they were playing the Knicks.

Speaker 9 Are you bringing up the, there was a podcast about the LeBron Game 6 Heat game.

Speaker 1 No, I didn't see this. Where

Speaker 9 I think it was

Speaker 9 not Burn Man. Mike Miller, maybe? Okay.
I think it was Mike Miller.

Speaker 9 And Shane Badier talking about it, and he was like, LeBron was pissed because they delayed our bus and it took us forever to shoot around.

Speaker 1 So that's it, right? Like, that's a game that you have to be like, all right, we might not be able to beat the heat. This is, this series is over.

Speaker 5 On the other hand, if you're the police department, you're giving them an escort to the game, I feel like seven minutes isn't even long enough for you to get comfortable in a bus. Yeah.

Speaker 5 You don't, you can't listen to your full pre-game playlist that you have for yourself.

Speaker 1 True, you got to finish it in the locker room. Hank, are you now.
So this series is over, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 9 They might lose one.

Speaker 1 How are you feeling about this finals? Because it really, like, in a weird way, it's just getting juicier and juicier.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, it's like

Speaker 1 everyone who says that the Celtics have played no one,

Speaker 1 the Celtics don't win. They're like, ha ha, I told you so.
And then you have the opposite where you can be like, fuck all of you.

Speaker 1 You know, we beat the West.

Speaker 1 We steamrolled through the East. Go fuck yourself.
Exactly. Right.

Speaker 9 Only play with who's in front of you.

Speaker 9 I just don't. I flip-flop.
I flip-flop back. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Just as long as it's not the nuggets.

Speaker 9 Exactly. Right.

Speaker 9 Beating Kyrie would be nice, but then there's a little bit of scariness of like, could, you know, does he know the, you know, Jason and Jalen? He was played with them when they were younger.

Speaker 9 Does he know their secrets?

Speaker 1 Could he, you know, could he stop that against us?

Speaker 9 But also, if we beat the Mavericks, and then it would kind of shut you up with you, like, Luca Doncher's, best player left in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 He is. That's just.

Speaker 9 I know, but it would be nice to just be like, well, if he's the best player in the playoffs, why didn't he win?

Speaker 1 Because he might not have the best team. Right.

Speaker 9 But like that.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I never said that the best players always, the best player always wins. I said the best player, people writing on

Speaker 1 Mavs,

Speaker 9 if he was the best player, he'd still be MVP, probably.

Speaker 1 No, but we're getting hello.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're gaslighting me, and you're also taking out all of my, everything I said out of context and trying to rearrange all my thoughts.

Speaker 1 I didn't say he's, first of all, he wasn't the best, he's not the best player in the NBA. I never said that.
I said he's the best player left in the playoffs with four teams left.

Speaker 5 You took offense to that, by the way.

Speaker 1 You took offense to that. And then the best team, the best player doesn't mean necessarily they will win the championship.
I said the best player.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, I'm with Hank. I disagree too.
Can Luca win the big one?

Speaker 1 The best player, having the best player means that they should never be written off, which was what was happening with a lot of people being like, the Wolves and the Nuggets will beat the Mavs in five games, which I guess still could.

Speaker 1 Back to your points, even though you just butchered everything I said.

Speaker 9 No, I'm just, I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'm

Speaker 9 focused on the Western Conference so focused you're thinking about what I said three days ago no I'm just thinking about what would be sweeter I think it'd be sweeter it'd be sweeter to beat Dallas Mavericks no no there's a there's many reasons it'd be way sweeter to beat Kyrie but you're also afraid of Kyrie I'm a little bit more afraid of Kyrie than you have a healthy respect for Kyrie

Speaker 4 you're not afraid of Luca

Speaker 1 of course Tatum's better than him of course I'm afraid of Luca but

Speaker 1 I don't know we got the horses man we got the horses you got the horses they are very seldom very good.

Speaker 9 It's also when people bring up the Warriors team, and it's like we have Drew Holiday and Christoph Borzing. It's like they were not on the team, and they're significant parts of this team.

Speaker 11 And you will keep saying that.

Speaker 1 And you will have the reverse where you will have the most experience, whereas you didn't against the Warriors.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 ready to go. You're still upset about the Luca.

Speaker 1 I'm not upset. Saying Luca.
So let's talk about this because I, watching that game on Wednesday night, incredible game.

Speaker 1 It was a little satisfying, even though I do have a future on the Wolves and I picked the Wolves in seven, it was satisfying to watch Luka take over that game in the fourth quarter because people forgot about Luka and the Hanks of the world and the Wolves fans of the world think that if you say Luka Donczich is the best player left in the playoffs, you're saying Anthony Edwards or Jason Tatum sucks, which is not at all what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying Luka Doncic, what he did on Wednesday night, is why he's the best player left in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 And what's crazy, not only was he scoring, he was playing defense. I've never seen Luca play defense like that ever.
I don't think he has.

Speaker 1 No, he has been playing a lot better defense.

Speaker 5 But the defense that he played last night was incredible.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, the lob pass he broke up basically won the game.

Speaker 5 He was a legitimately great defender last night.

Speaker 10 Yeah, no, he's been, he's been,

Speaker 1 the narrative that Luca and Windhorse said it even too, like the narrative that Luca sucks at defense.

Speaker 1 He's not an elite defender, but he is a like a passable and sometimes above-average defender now, and everyone just assumes he's a traffic cone. He won that game when he broke up that lob pass.

Speaker 5 I don't assume he's a traffic cone.

Speaker 5 I just think that he was playing so good last night that he was like the reason why they won on defense, and it was crazy to see.

Speaker 5 Here's a fun stat, though. Ready for this nugget? This is, I think Phil Mackey says this.

Speaker 5 Since 2011, in the NBA conference finals, teams that come off a game seven win versus teams that didn't play a game seven are 0-14 in game one.

Speaker 5 So that trend continues. Yes.

Speaker 1 And that was the Pacers almost beat beat that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they almost bucked it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If they had figured out how to cover Jalen Brown.

Speaker 5 It was also Jason Kidd's, I believe, his first win ever in game one of a series.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they don't usually win game ones. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it was a great game in the fact the Mavs, if you had told the Mavs fan before this game that they would have hit six threes, six for 25 from three, and still won this game, they'd be like, what the hell just happened?

Speaker 1 Well, what happened was Kyrie Irving took it personal when Anthony Edwards said he was going to guard him and torched him.

Speaker 1 And Anthony Edwards looked like tired trying to stay in front of Kyrie Irving. I know he wasn't always the one guarding him.

Speaker 5 I think he said it's going to be fun. Yeah.
I'm looking forward to guarding him. And Kyrie Irving said it afterwards.

Speaker 1 He's like, yeah, I was sitting on my couch and he called me out and I was like, okay, sounds good.

Speaker 1 Kyrie Irving was incredible in the first half. Then Luca finishes it.
Kyrie Irving scores 24 points in the first half. Luca scores 19 points in the second half.

Speaker 1 The Mavs like 1-2 punch with the two of those guys. And

Speaker 1 it's crazy, but I feel like I've turned on Kyrie where I'm like, I'm kind of rooting for him. He

Speaker 1 feels like he's enjoying basketball again, he's enjoying being a teammate, he's a good teammate, and when he's playing like he's playing, it's hard not to be like, damn, this is so much fun to watch.

Speaker 5 It's the eclipse, the eclipse got to him. It is weird.
Him and Bryson recently, it's like, wait, I'm rooting for this guy.

Speaker 5 And then when Kyrie was sitting in with the TNT guys after the game, you could see how much fun he was having. Oh, yeah.
And he was like a fun guy to talk to. He was engaging.
He was like listening.

Speaker 5 He was joking around. I was like, oh, Kyrie seems, he seems normal.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Did he get normie pilled? I don't know what happened, but he maybe just got older.
Yeah. Which is funny because he is 32.
So it's like, you know, he was 29 then.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he was, he was really young. I still remember when he was on the Cavs and they asked him one time, it was like, LeBron, he, you know, he's a father of three.
He's a great father.

Speaker 5 Can you talk about how he is like as a father figure in the locker room? And Kyrie's like, excuse what?

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Like, are you saying that he's my dad? Yeah, and that environment that he was in in Cleveland was just so weird.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and then when he went out on his own, tried to find himself for the first time, yeah, discover his identity. It took him a while, but he's here.

Speaker 2 Took him a while. He's here.

Speaker 1 The Mavs are tough. I also love what the Mavs are doing where they're just

Speaker 1 splitting time with Gafford and Lively and basically getting like an elite center out of the two of them

Speaker 1 because they just go balls to the wall when they're in the game. And they combined finished for, oh, the Oilers just scored.
Look at that. Connor McDavid off the hook.
There we go. That was

Speaker 1 bad McDavid. I think it was Dry Seidel.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Oh, it might have been McDavid.

Speaker 5 I think it was McDavid.

Speaker 1 It was McDavid. Redemption.
Wow, that would be huge for him.

Speaker 1 Because it was.

Speaker 1 That miss was very bad. Who scored there, memes?

Speaker 2 Give it to us. I don't think it was McDavid.

Speaker 14 I got a notification that's at McDavid.

Speaker 1 Oh, it was McDavid.

Speaker 2 It was McDavid.

Speaker 9 It was McDavid.

Speaker 1 We need to see a replay. They're showing everyone, so it's kind of.

Speaker 5 I was about to just say it's been the best year in Dallas sports in history. It still has.
With the Rangers, the Mavericks going this far, the Stars.

Speaker 5 ESPN put up a very, very insulting graphic. Did you see that? No.
It was years since last conference final, and it was obviously the World Series, not conference, but league.

Speaker 5 And it was Rangers 0, Stars, 0, Mavericks, 0, Cowboys, 26. That's awesome.
Yeah, it was a great graphic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was McDavid. Look at that.
Redemption.

Speaker 1 It's good that he scored that because it would have been bad.

Speaker 2 That was a bad miss.

Speaker 5 You don't want to go to bed tonight thinking about that miss.

Speaker 2 No, no. So the Oilers are up 1-0 in the series.

Speaker 1 What were we talking about? Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah, the Mavs Centers are awesome. They just go balls to the wall.
Hank. Would you like to have an Anthony Edwards discussion?

Speaker 1 I did write it down. I did write it down.

Speaker 9 We can can have it. Honestly,

Speaker 9 the media, which we will get into with Rachel, has forced me to do this because

Speaker 9 I realized it last night.

Speaker 9 I like Anthony Edwards a lot. I love him.
I'm a huge fan. I enjoy watching him play.
I think he's a superstar.

Speaker 9 But

Speaker 9 when the media does this Jason Tatum narrative, then I have to watch these games and be like, where is it for him? He's 19 points. He was bad shooting night.
They lost the game.

Speaker 1 Agreed.

Speaker 1 Where is

Speaker 2 people talking?

Speaker 1 He has not been playing. He wasn't good in game seven either.
No, he was not. He's not been playing great as of late.

Speaker 9 You said I want Kyrie. That was like as dumb a thing as a

Speaker 1 damn. Really dumb thing to say.
Now, I do think that he, you know, there's a long series, but

Speaker 9 this is where, like, whatever.

Speaker 1 Every time we talk about Jason Tatum, I say he's incredible.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 So there's. Talk it out.

Speaker 5 We said that if he dominates in the final damage

Speaker 5 and he gets to the finals and he dominates in the finals, then we will be talking about Jason Tatum in the same breath as other top-tier, top-tier trials.

Speaker 1 Tatum has been doing it for longer.

Speaker 9 I think he broke the record for most playoff points scored in his first seven years ever.

Speaker 1 I also say he's incredible every time we talk about him. And I have him ranked higher than Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 5 Now Hank is doing this. He's making us do this because he's dug his heels in so hard on Tatum.
What you've done is you've forced us to nip

Speaker 5 Jason Tatum. You forced us after every game find stats to make you mad about Jason Tatum.
And it's not really you guys.

Speaker 9 I want to make that clear.

Speaker 9 Because I want to be very stands in the first takes and the undisputed where it's like you see the discussions they have and you see, you know, and I probably follow too many like Boston accounts, but it's like

Speaker 9 Anthony Edwards after a loss, Jason Tatum after a win. It's still negative about Jason Tatum and positive about Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, Anthony Edwards deserves criticism. He called out Kyrie and then he got torched and he only scored 19 points.
Let's just end this Jason Tatum thing for one last time.

Speaker 1 I have him ranked somewhere between the fourth and the sixth best player in the NBA.

Speaker 9 What if he wins the NBA Finals and then dominates in the Olympics?

Speaker 1 I'd probably have him third

Speaker 1 over Luca.

Speaker 1 Probably not.

Speaker 1 If you ask trade, if you like, call up and trade, probably not.

Speaker 5 The reason why the media likes Anthony Edwards so much and they don't like Jason Tatum, It seems like they don't like him as much. Anthony Edwards is new.

Speaker 5 So when somebody's new, we're like, oh, this is exciting.

Speaker 5 The possibilities are limitless.

Speaker 5 And then if Anthony Edwards spends the next four years not quite winning a championship, then people will talk about Anthony Edwards the same way they talk about Jason Tatum.

Speaker 1 I also think it's Anthony Edwards is the first guy in a while to go outwardly, spoken outwardly

Speaker 1 against the

Speaker 1 buddy-buddy banana boat era of the NBA. But I think people don't realize there's a lot of new guys right now that are similar to Anthony Edwards that aren't buddy-buddy.

Speaker 1 Like, I don't think Jason Tatum's very buddy buddy. I don't think Luca is very buddy-buddy.

Speaker 2 I think Jokic is very buddy-buddy.

Speaker 1 SGA, like Brunson. Do you think Brunson is like buddy-buddy with all his Nova Boys? Anthony, well, they're all on his team.
Anthony Edwards was the first guy to kind of say it.

Speaker 2 So everyone's like, fuck, this is a breath of fresh air.

Speaker 5 The other guys haven't said it, but I don't see the same like friendship it was always weird when you know lebron and chris paul and carmelo were like best friends but also competing against each other right you give them maybe five or six years maybe they become buddy buddy right that's kind of how this whole thing works do they play on enough olympic teams yeah the super teams are being phased out because the people that would make up the super teams are getting over the hill where they're not the young talent anymore then the new talent is like fuck you guys i'm gonna go out and compete on my own They might one day decide to join forces.

Speaker 5 If they get frustrated not winning a championship, they might team up with somebody. Yeah.
That's how time works.

Speaker 1 Anthony Edwards has not scored 20 points in four of his last six games. That's not good enough.

Speaker 2 Does that feel good, Hank? You know what?

Speaker 1 Did that feel good when I was a little bit more?

Speaker 9 Well, that's the thing.

Speaker 9 I really have no axe to grind.

Speaker 5 Say that sad again.

Speaker 1 Anthony Edwards has not scored 20 points in four of his last six games. That's not good enough.
I'm going to agree with Hank.

Speaker 5 If Jason Tatum did that,

Speaker 5 it would be lights out.

Speaker 1 I would say that's not good enough.

Speaker 5 I think I would be meaner. I'd be meaner.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, the age thing does change it.

Speaker 5 It does, and he's new, and he's exciting, and it's fun. So, we're going to talk about all the upsides.

Speaker 2 First playoff series:

Speaker 1 second, third, fourth, play-in, fourth. I don't count the play-in, fourth.

Speaker 5 It's basically his first.

Speaker 1 Do you feel good with me saying it's not good enough? Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2 That's not good enough.

Speaker 1 The Wolves, I mean, Wolves fans know that's not good enough. Now, Luca has to be the guy.

Speaker 5 Now, Luca, on the other hand,

Speaker 5 that's a great player.

Speaker 13 Dude, he's awesome.

Speaker 1 I know the ref thing. I know people don't like it.
I think it's a little much much as well.

Speaker 1 But when he's just, when he's controlling everything

Speaker 1 and getting to his spots and no one can stop him, it's so much fun to watch.

Speaker 5 And he's yelling at his teammates.

Speaker 1 And he does it in like a kind of slow-mo where it's just like,

Speaker 1 but it's so smooth.

Speaker 5 It's funny, like, if it's a quarterback that's yelling at his teammates, you're like, I like that leadership. That's a field general.
Grabbed by the face mask.

Speaker 5 Luca gets in somebody's face and people are like,

Speaker 5 why is he screaming at his friend? Yeah. It's really strange.

Speaker 1 Also, shout out Luca.

Speaker 5 Did you see the stat of the Super Max that he's eligible for after making all NBA?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 5 $346 million in the Super Max.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's going to make a lot of money. Yeah.
And then he's probably going to resign. He's going to, at the end of it, he'll do another deal and make like $100 million a year.
Yeah, pretty good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he deserves it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So we had the Oilers win game one. Memes, the Panthers win game one.

Speaker 2 How you feeling?

Speaker 14 Feeling great. The Panthers absolutely dominated in MSG.

Speaker 1 It was a sad showing by the Rangers. Very funny memes tweet when

Speaker 1 the Rangers scored a knowledge. And Memes said Rangers have scored their first goal of the Eastern Conference final.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I saw that come across the board. I was like, God damn it, memes, this is good.

Speaker 1 It was the only thing to tweet right there.

Speaker 1 You got hate in your heart. Yeah, oh, yeah.
Let it out.

Speaker 14 And now Rangers fans are giving it back, too, which I love.

Speaker 5 Wait, they're giving back to you or they're giving it back to me.

Speaker 1 No, they're giving it back to me. Okay.

Speaker 14 Yeah, they they said, I used to love you. Now I fucking hate you.

Speaker 1 All right. Oh, okay.
Getting turned on. They love you after your stand-up? It's playoff time.

Speaker 1 It's playoff time. Hate has to go everywhere.
You have to be like Rangers fans hate memes.

Speaker 1 Hank hates anyone who says anything other than Jason Tatum's the greatest player ever.

Speaker 9 All these hate.

Speaker 9 This is reverse gaslighting.

Speaker 1 You just reverse gaslighting. You tried to reverse gaslight me.
No.

Speaker 5 Max hates the lottery ball machine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All these things. Max hates what's his name?

Speaker 13 O'Shea Brissette? O'Shea Brissette.

Speaker 2 O'Shea Canyon.

Speaker 13 Did you come up with that, Hank?

Speaker 9 O'Shea Can You C. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was you? Fuck yes.

Speaker 5 You're absolutely right, Boo.

Speaker 9 Well, that's after

Speaker 9 Donnie came up with Hoor for July.

Speaker 1 Horford July rocked.

Speaker 9 I'm thinking of shirts. Our mercy was asking for shirts, and he scored.
I was like, O'Shea, can you see? We'd sell one.

Speaker 1 Kind of slaps. I had a couple other things real quick before we go to our interviews.
Can either of you explain to me what's going on with Caitlin Caitlin Clark?

Speaker 5 Yeah, people are mad at Caitlin Clark, and then it's like two people that are mad at her, and then there's a lot of people that are mad at the people that are mad at her, and then now there's people, the first people that were mad at her, are now mad at the people that got mad at them for being mad at Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 1 Okay, that makes sense. That's where we're at.
Because I feel like I've just seen a lot of people yelling about how

Speaker 1 it's crazy to hate Caitlin Clark and making it about race and all this stuff, but then I can't find the root source more than Jamal Hill or who else.

Speaker 5 I don't know. So I dove into it a little bit.

Speaker 5 I think that anytime there's like a big cultural thing happening in sports, you'll get people that have to write a think piece about it. Right.
And then they just think too much. Right.

Speaker 5 And then their thoughts, some of them are bad, and they come out. And then people latch on to the bad thoughts and get outraged.
And the people get outraged at the outrage.

Speaker 5 And then now we don't know what's going on. Okay.

Speaker 2 So I'm happy that I've not looked into this.

Speaker 5 Here's the deal. Caitlin Clark is a very good basketball player.
She has not won a game yet in the WNBA. She's a rookie.
So now the takes are flying.

Speaker 1 Got it. But she also got them planes.

Speaker 5 She kind of got them planes.

Speaker 1 And white.

Speaker 5 And she's white. And she has pretty privilege.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 And she's a woman. And she's a woman.
Playing in the WNBA. She's a woman playing in the WNBA.
That irritates a lot of people.

Speaker 5 I honestly encourage people not to. The less you know about Caitlin Clark outrage, the better you'll be.

Speaker 1 I've felt very good that I've just like, I know this thing is happening.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to just, I'm not going to try to figure out why it's happening because it feels like a lot of people yelling at a lot of people, and it probably is nothing that Caitlin Clark cares about.

Speaker 1 It's probably nothing that anyone of her teammates care about.

Speaker 1 I don't, I just can't, I don't, it doesn't seem like a real thing. It seems like people are just trying to find something to argue about for some reason.

Speaker 5 I had to learn who somebody on the view was by by reading about Jonathan Clark. Yeah, that's how bad it's gotten.
How'd that go?

Speaker 5 That's how you learn who's on the view is when people get mad at those people.

Speaker 1 Hold on. Hold on.

Speaker 1 I want to say, is it.

Speaker 1 Fuck. Is.
No, not Barbara Walters. Barbara Walters still alive?

Speaker 5 I think she died. Is she alive?

Speaker 1 What's the woman who's Hocus Pocus?

Speaker 1 Fiancé. No.
Is that woman still alive? Baby Goldberg. No, no, no.
You know Hocus Pocus. What the fuck is that one?

Speaker 2 Joy Behar. Is that her name?

Speaker 5 That's one of the women from the View that I learned about because people know.

Speaker 1 Hocus Pocus. Is this the same?

Speaker 5 There's Joy. I know that.
There's

Speaker 1 Bette Middler. Whoopie.

Speaker 5 No, I don't think she's on the View. Shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Ah, she kind of looks like Joy.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's probably what I would say. I got that connection.

Speaker 5 They got the same.

Speaker 1 You would have been like, hey, gun to your head, Bette Midler on the View. I'd have been like, yep, 100%.

Speaker 5 Okay, I'm going through the list.

Speaker 1 They look the same.

Speaker 5 Whoopie, I knew her from Eddie.

Speaker 13 She was great in Eddie.

Speaker 5 Joy, I learned about her because people got mad at her. I don't know these next two.
And then Alyssa, I learned about her because people got mad at her.

Speaker 1 Alyssa Farah Griffin? Yeah.

Speaker 16 Pick a name.

Speaker 1 That's too many names.

Speaker 5 And then Megan McCain was on there, and I learned about her because people got mad at her.

Speaker 1 Anna Navarro.

Speaker 1 Can I see a picture of these women? Whoa.

Speaker 2 Yeah, let me see a picture of these women. Yeah, that is Bette Midler.

Speaker 5 You could see the confusion. I could definitely see the confusion.
But I swear to God, more people talk about the view because they're fisted on the

Speaker 1 They give it 10%. Can you vote for it, Pug?

Speaker 4 Maybe get it to 9%?

Speaker 2 And when is it on and where is it?

Speaker 5 I don't know. It's on TV and people get mad.

Speaker 10 17 seasons?

Speaker 5 Okay. But yeah, so now that people are mad at their takes about Caitlin Clark, guess what they're going to talk about more?

Speaker 16 Boar Caitlin Clark. Or Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 5 And then the takes are going to get dumber and dumber and pretty soon we'll all have brain damage.

Speaker 1 It would be kind of funny if they don't win a game. It would be, yeah.
I mean, I'm rooting for that. That'd be very funny.
Discourse.

Speaker 5 There was somebody that posted a video, and it was Caitlin Clark making a spectacular play, and the person was like, don't forget about the assist, though, from Aaliyah Boston.

Speaker 5 And then that conversation happened

Speaker 5 about race. That's really good.
And then I'm like,

Speaker 5 I love watching sports.

Speaker 1 I say that all the time when I'm watching when I'm.

Speaker 1 This is great ball. Yeah.
When Saquon Barkley busts for a huge run this year and be like, but don't forget about Lane Johnson.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Please.
Well, when Saquon, when he goes for a big run, I'm always like, that was a great handoff from Daniel Jones. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, now,

Speaker 1 oh, that was the other thing.

Speaker 1 Daniel Jones is allegedly pissed off.

Speaker 5 Oh, no. What is that like?

Speaker 1 Be wary, guys. Daniel Jones, you don't want to see him pissed off.

Speaker 5 If there's a list, if we're ranking quarterbacks in the NFL of guys that you would least like to be pissed off

Speaker 5 at you, I would say Daniel Jones is probably last among starters.

Speaker 1 What do you think Daniel Jones does when he's pissed off? Is it slam the garage door on the way out to work? Is it throw his

Speaker 1 sweater vest like really hard at his chair?

Speaker 5 Slams his sweater vest. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I think he probably tells you that his dad's a lawyer.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's yeah, I mean, it's like...

Speaker 5 Maybe cry.

Speaker 1 He might cry. I can't imagine him pissed off.

Speaker 5 He might cry.

Speaker 1 But he's pissed off.

Speaker 5 So he's mad that they wanted Drake May.

Speaker 1 I don't know why he's pissed off.

Speaker 1 Let me see.

Speaker 1 I just saw that he was pissed off.

Speaker 5 I think that there was a story that came out that they were targeting Drake May.

Speaker 1 The

Speaker 1 Bill Murray in the bowling movie, it's late line. Kingpin.
Kingpin.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 That gift was built for a guy like Daniel Jones being pissed off.

Speaker 5 We got Angry Daniel coming this year.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. All right.
A ticked-off Daniel Jones might be exactly what the Giants need.

Speaker 1 He's got a chip on his shoulder after the the Giants failed pursuit of a quarterback in this year's NFL draft.

Speaker 5 That'd be a new injury.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But also, you didn't draft him.

Speaker 5 Brock Purdy. I could deal with Brock Purdy being pissed at me.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, he knows how to work a tractor. He's got a little bit of farm.
Yeah. Country.

Speaker 5 I wouldn't be upset if Russell Wilson was mad at me.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Daniel Jones is going to cease and desist everyone.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's all it's going to be.

Speaker 1 I think I had. Oh, the NCAA changed another thing.
I don't know.

Speaker 11 I can't keep up.

Speaker 5 So I think. so I read the headline.

Speaker 1 I read a little bit of it as well.

Speaker 5 The power conferences are getting together and deciding collectively to settle a lawsuit and saying, now we're going to start actually paying the players. Correct.
Not just NIL.

Speaker 5 We're going to pay the players.

Speaker 1 And retroactively.

Speaker 5 Retroactively. So this all goes back to Ed O'Bannon.
Ed O'Bannon from UCLA, I think he won that championship in 94, 95, one of those years. Anyways, he sued the NCAA

Speaker 5 about the name, image, likeness thing. That's why we haven't been able to play NCAA football.
That's why they took that off the shelves because they were trying to figure out the whole NIL thing. And

Speaker 5 that one guy went up against the entire system and beat them. And now the players are going to get paid.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so the retro actually are going to get paid, and they also are going to get paid. But here's the big thing, and

Speaker 1 I'm sure there's many details that I'm missing, and we will have an expert on to explain it. But

Speaker 1 face value, I think I'm okay with this because I don't think that fans should have to fund these college programs.

Speaker 5 Any more than they already do.

Speaker 1 NIL, like, why the fuck are fans like tasked with like, hey, if you don't do NIL,

Speaker 1 your team's going to suck. And then your team, just your football program keeps making money.
And I get it. There's other sports that are probably going to suffer.
Totally get it.

Speaker 1 I'm just talking about football and basketball.

Speaker 2 Those probably have to separate.

Speaker 1 I understand that it's all complicated and everything.

Speaker 1 but from the face value, why isn't if you keep showing to me that like the Big Ten and the SEC and the ACC keep signing billion-dollar TV rights deals,

Speaker 1 why can't the players get a little of that?

Speaker 1 That's, again, I've probably oversimplified it. People will say I'm stupid not seeing it.
I don't know. My take remains the same with all this stuff.

Speaker 2 Get me to the finish line.

Speaker 1 Just tell me when we're good with the new future of college sports. Tell me when we're done with the conference realignment.

Speaker 1 Tell me when we're done with figuring out the intricacies of paying the players. Just tell me the end date and then I'll fucking pay attention.

Speaker 1 Because I just want to start a new normal because as soon as we start it in a year, two years, three years, we'll be like, whatever. We can't even remember how it used to go.

Speaker 2 I just don't like the constant change.

Speaker 5 Yo, guess what? There's going to be more constant change in like the next five years.

Speaker 1 But just tell us when we can get there. Just give me the fucking finish line.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so it's going to be teams can now pay, schools can pay players straight up, give them money. Jeffrey Dockett tweeted this at me.
I want to credit him. This is a great idea.

Speaker 5 He said, imagine Harvard using their $36 billion

Speaker 5 endowment to pay their football players more than the NFL. The funniest outcome is Harvard having a payroll of $300 million a year to football players and dominating college football.

Speaker 1 There is a salary cap.

Speaker 2 That's the only problem with that.

Speaker 1 Well, okay.

Speaker 5 Minor detail.

Speaker 1 Minor detail Jeffrey Dockett missed. Yeah, I think it's like $20 million each team can pay.

Speaker 5 That probably makes sense. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It does make sense. So I would be if, again, there's a lot of details I'm missing that we will have someone come explain.
Jay Billis. If, not Jay Billis, agree to disagree on that one.

Speaker 1 If it's $20 million,

Speaker 1 every school, every Power Five school, because I don't know how it's going to work for everyone else, but every Power Five school gets $20 million and you can't pay any more,

Speaker 1 I think that's actually a good thing. Now, there's obviously still going to be NIL.
There's still going to be boosters, so it gets murky. But on the face value, I think I'm okay with it.

Speaker 5 I've also heard some people saying this is death of college football, as we know it. I'm pretty sure

Speaker 5 they'll figure out a way. What's happened more? It's going to be different.

Speaker 2 What's happened more in the last five years?

Speaker 1 The death of college football or World War III?

Speaker 5 I was going to say Jimmy Carter dying.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 World War III has happened a hundred times.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the start of World War III for sure.

Speaker 5 There's going to be some implications. It's going to look different.
And I don't think anybody out there fully understands what it's going to look like in three years.

Speaker 5 What all the changes are going to be.

Speaker 5 But as I think one point that Jay did make when he was on the show, when he wasn't being disingenuous, was that if there are teams that are able to pay players to a higher level than other teams, that doesn't necessarily mean that the second-level teams are going to suffer because of it because they'll concentrate more of their money on the guys that weren't quite good enough to get those very top-tier offers and get paid more money by the smaller schools that could afford to give a bigger percentage of them.

Speaker 1 Also, you'd just be telling me, oh, so wait, Alabama's going to get a bunch of five-star recruits.

Speaker 14 Yeah. And

Speaker 1 like the Wisconsin of the world are going going to get two and three-star recruits. Oh, so nothing changed?

Speaker 5 Yeah, okay. That's pretty much it.
Also, NIL, I think, is still

Speaker 5 athletes are going to be doing advertisements.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, they are.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so that's it's going to be a little bit of both.

Speaker 1 Uh, what it Pug, did you pull this up?

Speaker 1 Did you do a little producing, Pug? It was a

Speaker 8 combination with memes, Pug.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Charles Barkley. That was the last thing.
I actually did have it written down, but good job, Pug and memes.

Speaker 1 Charles Barkley said it sucks for all of us,

Speaker 1 and he blamed his bosses for not wanting to get the NBA on TNT or keep the NBA on

Speaker 1 TNT.

Speaker 1 I did like that Charles Barkley said there's a chance he's just going to hire the guys to his,

Speaker 1 what does he have? He's actually a production company and then just sell inside the NBA to whoever gets the rights. Charles Barkley, you'd be a hero for that.

Speaker 5 There's also a chance that Charles doesn't have a production company yet. And he just, he was thinking out loud when he said that.

Speaker 5 And so then he just starts, he's like, actually, that's a good idea that I just said. I'm going to do that.

Speaker 5 But they should do that.

Speaker 5 At very minimum, we need Kenny, Shaq, and Charles together.

Speaker 1 Ernie.

Speaker 2 We'd like Ernie.

Speaker 5 We'd like Ernie. I would like very much for him to be a part of whatever the next iteration is.
But I feel like he's going to stay a turner no matter what.

Speaker 2 So we'll take what we can get.

Speaker 1 This is, this is,

Speaker 1 if they don't save inside the NBA, I do think this is a miscalculation by the NBA to think

Speaker 11 that

Speaker 1 this this program doesn't have any effect on viewers and like the way that the NBA is consumed.

Speaker 1 Someone put it perfectly, like, Adam Silver wants to try to find a way to make the NBA as popular as the NFL and make it mean as much as the NFL, not realizing that an 82-game season will always keep it from being as important as the NFL.

Speaker 1 So instead, he's going to just do weird shit. and gimmicky shit to try to like juice it up.

Speaker 1 And it's like, dude, inside the NBA is more important to the NBA than the in-season tournament by a large margin.

Speaker 2 Like, those are not equal to me.

Speaker 1 Yeah. In terms of the consumption of like what the culture around the sport, the way the sport's talked about, like, this is, it's entertainment.
These guys are a big part of the fabric of the NBA.

Speaker 2 It's like, oh, yeah, we don't need it.

Speaker 5 But if you're focused on the bottom line and like what you're looking at this year, if you're, if you're examining the NBA on a spreadsheet and you see in-season tournament ratings up, ticket sales up for those games, Adam Silver's going to be like, well, that did really well.

Speaker 5 He's going to fall in love with that. Of course.
But there's other things that go into the entire factor, the entire buzz around the league. That's definitely one of them.
I saw somebody,

Speaker 5 I forget what main account it was, but some main account tweeted out yesterday.

Speaker 5 If the NFL were to do an inside the NBA type show before and after a game, what would that look like? Who would be on that desk? It's like, well, they do. Every network tries to do it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no one knows.

Speaker 5 Nobody is as good. I would watch Inside the NBA as a pregame for NFL games.
Yeah. They don't even have to watch the games.

Speaker 5 I just want, like, show the teams and then let Charles Barkley make fun of the Jets.

Speaker 1 TNT got college football. That's what's part of what he said on Dan Patrick.
He's like, they didn't have money for the NBA. We got college football.

Speaker 1 And I get maybe the NBA was overpriced and maybe it makes sense. But I agree with you.
Like, I would watch this show. Everyone tries to do this show.

Speaker 1 The only people who have done the show successfully is TNT and Inside the NBA.

Speaker 5 It really doesn't matter what the the topic is.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I'll watch that group do anything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so we're probably going to lose it. Save it, Chuck.
Save it.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's kick it to ourselves. We got Rachel Nichols, and then we have a very funny interview with Chris O'Connor, Tommy Pope, two hilarious guys.

Speaker 1 They're also in Shane Gillis's new show, Tires on Netflix. Now, go watch it.
I'm going to binge it tonight. And then, reminder: we will have a show on Tuesday and then a show on Friday next week.

Speaker 1 We are also going to try attempt the John Daly challenge on Monday night. So Tuesday's show might be rough to listen to, but we will be back.
We have a huge interview Tuesday. Big, big guest.

Speaker 1 So everyone enjoy the long weekend. We'll see you Tuesday.
Stay safe. I have another one on Friday.
And let's kick it to ourselves.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on one of our favorite recurring guests. It's been a while, but she is back.
It is Rachel Nichols. You can see her on Showtime and Paramount Plus and on Undisputed on FS1.

Speaker 1 She has her show Headliners with Rachel Nichols. Rachel, great to talk to you.
Great to have you back on.

Speaker 16 NBA playoffs.

Speaker 1 I actually wanted to start with a question, which you might actually have more insight in because you did an episode.

Speaker 18 How are the Bulls doing?

Speaker 1 No, not how the bulls doing they stink uh you you did an episode of your show with these two guys but I wanted to start with Luca and Kyrie and in talking to them because Mavs obviously won game one

Speaker 1 what has changed with Kyrie and made him all of a sudden like the best teammate and a guy that I find myself rooting for again

Speaker 18 totally right yeah I mean that's gonna be the biggest 180 in sports in terms of how people feel about him over the last three years. It's crazy.
I think it's a bunch of different things.

Speaker 18 So he's older, right?

Speaker 18 I mean, we all get a little bit more mellow as we age and I think more perspective, some of the things that seem very important to us when we're younger, kind of we're like, okay, I got it, we're good.

Speaker 18 So I think it's a little bit of that.

Speaker 18 I think it's a little bit of location. I mean, being in New York, especially, it's a lot.
being thrown at you every day and I'm not sure that that was the right situation for him.

Speaker 18 So being in Dallas where there's a little less media, it's a little looser, that kind of thing, I think has helped. The biggest thing, though, is Jason Kidd, his relationship with Jason Kidd.

Speaker 18 Kyrie Irving attended Jason Kidd's Hall of Fame induction, which shouldn't be a big deal because we have former players, you know, or current players and former players attending other guys all the time, except that's at the invitation of the player, right?

Speaker 18 Jason Kidd had no idea Kyrie was going to show up, didn't invite him, no special arrangements for him. Kyrie grew up watching Jason in New Jersey, and he was like, Yeah, I want to go.

Speaker 18 Jason's my favorite player is getting inducted to the Hall of Fame. I want to go.
So, that tells you the respect that's there and sort of the way that Kyrie feels about him.

Speaker 18 So, that when the Mavs were interested in him, Jason was a huge part of the sort of selling point on both sides.

Speaker 18 And the relationship they have is so good because Jason is very careful in how he talks.

Speaker 18 And I don't say careful, like it's practice, but like he knows, he knows how to talk to Kyrie in terms of, hey, I respect you, I respect your point of view. If I didn't, I wouldn't mess with you.

Speaker 18 But here's the times to say things and here are not. And Kyrie had a great line to me about this.
He goes, I've learned not to touch the stove when it's hot. And

Speaker 18 I think that that's a good, you don't have to say everything all the time. You don't have to answer every question.
You don't have to make every belief you have public

Speaker 18 because this is letting him be who he is. And Jason's big on, he doesn't have to be a robot.
Like he's an artist, he's a this, he's a that. Let him go do all of that stuff.

Speaker 18 Respect that part of his life, but also focus on basketball.

Speaker 18 And Kyrie's so settled in even more than last year, he's such a leader in the locker room, which again, if you talk to people in the Brooklyn, they're gonna be like, What the hell are you talking about?

Speaker 18 But, um, he is 100% doing all the things that Luca at age 25, he's capable of it, but he's not like pulling guys aside for like heart-to-hearts or giving them advice, you know, wise advice.

Speaker 18 He's 25 years old, and he's kind of in the middle of all this stuff now. So, the fact that Kyrie has willingly stepped in to do all of that, the guys in that locker room love him.
Yeah.

Speaker 18 It's really unbelievable.

Speaker 1 That anecdote is great, too, because I saw after game one, Kyrie went on inside the NBA with the guys, and he basically said that the therapy sessions that he said Jason Kidd had a lot of long talks with the team and sometimes it felt like therapy.

Speaker 1 And when I heard that quote, I was like, that's weird because in today's NBA, it feels like coaches have less and less power. It is all player-driven.

Speaker 1 Like players are not going to sit and listen to their coach talk to them for hours and

Speaker 1 hours on end. So that all kind of makes sense.
Their relationship has let Kyrie be Kyrie.

Speaker 18 Yeah, 100%. And the respect is there.

Speaker 18 I mean, Luca, when he came into the NBA, kind of famously said that he had never seen Jason play, which, I mean, look, he started playing Fro Ball in Europe when he was 13 and Jason, you know, played a while ago.

Speaker 18 But obviously, he looked up the clips on YouTube.

Speaker 18 He's like, yeah, he was pretty good. I'm like, yeah, Yeah, he really was.

Speaker 18 So

Speaker 18 I think for both of those guys, that he is literally a hall of famer, played with a style that's so engaging, right? It was so much fun to watch him play.

Speaker 18 I think he can say things to them that, frankly, a lot of these coaches today who came up more through the other side, they can't.

Speaker 18 And you're never going to respect a guy as much as a guy who's not only done it at the level you've done it, but done it at a hall of fame level.

Speaker 18 You feel like I can take advice from him if you're Lukasic, as opposed to who are you to tell me what to do? You'll be gone in three years anyway. Right.
It's interesting.

Speaker 5 It's like sliding doors moment. What if Steve Nash had been from New Jersey?

Speaker 13 Wouldn't it all have been different?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what it turned out.

Speaker 18 Wouldn't it be different if we were all from New Jersey? It would be.

Speaker 5 The world would be a much better place, I think, if everyone was from New Jersey.

Speaker 18 It's not you and me, come on. Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 We can DC.

Speaker 5 I actually, we won't talk about the Wizards on the air because we'll just bore people to death with it. Just say that I'm buying stock in the Wizards right now.
I like what they're doing.

Speaker 5 Do you want to bore people? Talk about the Wizards?

Speaker 18 No, no, no. I was going to say, I didn't know if we were going to talk capitals at all.

Speaker 1 Oh, but we could really bore people.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we could really bore people with that.

Speaker 12 You're fresh?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm

Speaker 18 on stock in the football team. I will say that.
I'm super psyched about this season.

Speaker 5 Me too. So, the other half of the combo, the two-person combo in Dallas, Luca, I was hoping that you would give us some insight because you do work around Skip Bayless sometimes.

Speaker 5 I'm not sure how much face-to-face time you have with him.

Speaker 18 He tweeted

Speaker 18 several times a week.

Speaker 5 You're very lucky. He tweeted out last night: Luca Doncic is one bad bleep bleeper.

Speaker 5 So what is bleep bleeper? Because that's two cuss words.

Speaker 18 I mean, it could be anything, right? Shit fucker. Bargain shopper.

Speaker 18 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 18 I think motherfucker. One bad bargain shopper.

Speaker 1 Did he bleep out mother? One bad

Speaker 18 beaty mover.

Speaker 18 I don't know what.

Speaker 18 I don't know what the...

Speaker 18 It could be anything.

Speaker 7 Snake Charmer?

Speaker 5 What's so great to watch about him is it feels like whenever one of them is off, the other person takes over and they kind of alternate.

Speaker 5 Like sometimes Luca will be hot at the start of games, sometimes Kyrie at the end of games.

Speaker 5 What's that, how has that relationship developed where they know, okay, who's taking shots now, who's hot, who's going to carry the team at this point?

Speaker 5 Is that an ongoing conversation or is that something that's like evolved intentionally over the years?

Speaker 18 That's the thing. Yeah.
So when Kyrie first came in, they both really wanted it to work. Like Luca hadn't had a partner in crime at that level.

Speaker 18 Obviously, you know, he was frustrated that they got to the Western Conference finals and then that the season wasn't going well and all of that stuff.

Speaker 18 So, you know, there's been a big push to keep Luca happy because you don't want a LeBron James in Cleveland the first time situation where he's just like, okay, I like it here, but if we can't win, I'm going somewhere else.

Speaker 18 So they really want to make sure that his development keeps, you know, tracking up and his success keeps tracking up. And they believe in him, obviously.

Speaker 18 So it was a lot of who can we get at this level. So they both really wanted to make it work, but it was a little rocky at the beginning because they didn't know each other.

Speaker 18 And that my turn, your turn, that actually happened more at the end of last season where it was kind of like, okay, you go and then I'll go. And you can't win basketball games like that.

Speaker 18 So it took a while for them to develop actual chemistry on the court and that's just reps, right, getting to know each other. It took a while for them to get to actually know each other.

Speaker 18 They're pretty different dudes with pretty different backgrounds and pretty different interests.

Speaker 18 You know, Luca's a little more of a bro. Kyrie is very cerebral in terms of, you know, everything is very analyzed.

Speaker 18 But they have a lot of common ground too. They both love the game.
They both love to win. They've both been around enough that they can tell stories to each other.

Speaker 18 And I think Luca really learned that Kyrie could do the parts of the job, both on the court and off the court, that he has always found just a little heavy and a little frustrating.

Speaker 18 And Kyrie found a guy who can do the stuff off the court and frankly on the court that he kind of had been looking for.

Speaker 18 I think if these guys came together and Kyrie was closer in age to Luca, if he was like 27, it just wouldn't have worked. But Kyrie feels like I'm the elder statesman now.
I can be in this position.

Speaker 18 And it's so fun to watch them grooving on the court. They have so much, like, they both love each other's game.
And that's, you know, they put each other in great positions. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So the other half of that series, the Wolves, do you think

Speaker 1 we, as media members, and I count myself here because we have, we love Anthony Edwards, love watching him play, but do you think we've maybe done him a little disservice with

Speaker 1 the expectations and the hype? Because it feels like these playoffs, we have speed run him through

Speaker 1 like the media of like, oh, he's MJ. Oh, and now he's somehow overrated, which was our ratings.
Like, we're the ones who rated him.

Speaker 18 Yeah, we suggested him.

Speaker 18 Yeah, and now

Speaker 18 he's so talented and he's such a personality. We have not, frankly, had this kind of guy in a long time.
I was talking to someone from the league office today.

Speaker 18 You know, the stars who are around 25, 26-year-old are a little more mild-mannered, right? They're not talking trash when they know their mic.

Speaker 18 They're not calling out Kylie Irving after a game, which was unbelievable. You know, they're not saying they should be starting, they should be doing this.

Speaker 18 You know, he's such a great personality.

Speaker 18 John Morant is spectacular, but obviously, there's a lot of parents who aren't sending their kids to be like, go with the guy, go emulate the guy with the guns.

Speaker 18 So I think Ja is going to have a spectacular future. And I actually think that he's a really fun guy to talk to.
And

Speaker 18 I think he's going to be a success.

Speaker 18 But Ant, there's nothing not to love right now. So I think that's part of it.
And then, yeah, the Young Jordan thing is real. It's just the problem is that everyone took that to mean Jordan, right?

Speaker 18 So the Young Jordan thing, right, was Kevin Garnett was doing a show with me and he's like, oh, he's, I love him. He's great.
He's an 84 Jordan, right?

Speaker 18 So he's, he was one of the first to like really publicly make that. And that was in the middle of the season.
And he was saying 84 Jordan. And we were on the set with a bunch of other guys.

Speaker 18 And like Rondo was like, dude, he's not Michael Jordan and and and KG was like no no no like uh you know 84 Jordan 84 Jordan young young that guy's you know how KG talks that guy's nice

Speaker 18 so I saw Ant like two weeks later and I was like Kevin Garnett says you're like an 84 Jordan and he was like I like that 84 Jordan yeah that's me that's me That doesn't mean that Kevin Garnett or anyone else who is in the league who's followed thinks that he's a six-time NBA Finals winner.

Speaker 18 They just think that he bears a lot when MJ wasn't winning yet, that he was, you know, showing a lot of the characteristics of that player.

Speaker 18 And I personally, I don't think it's even possible for someone to win six rings anymore.

Speaker 18 Like, maybe as the extra guy who goes tops from team to team or something, but as like the main guy, I just don't think that's available anymore.

Speaker 18 I mean, I don't think anyone can be the next Jordan in totality because you have this influx of international talent. Look at all the MVPs from the last five years.

Speaker 18 They've all gone to international players. All three guys who are MVP finalists this year were international players.
Like the competition is so much thicker from team to team and game to game.

Speaker 18 I just look at Denver, right? If they were in a different, more watered-down NBA, like they would have caked walk to the finals. They're so good, but that's not what the NBA is anymore.

Speaker 18 Every team has some great players.

Speaker 18 Well, I was talking about the Bulls.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, the Bulls don't. Well, DeMar DeRosa.

Speaker 5 Alex Caruso. Alex Caruso.

Speaker 11 Yeah, Alex Caruso.

Speaker 1 He's a great player.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 18 I'm only teasing. I'm only teasing you.
You think DeMarzo is gone?

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's nothing that can be teased.

Speaker 1 I've become apathetic.

Speaker 1 They've done the thing where it's like you never want to be as a sports fan, where it's like they don't care about actually trying to win a championship. So why should I care as much

Speaker 1 year in and year out? Yeah, it hurts. It hurts.

Speaker 5 It's sad to see what Big Cat's become.

Speaker 5 He's the killer whale of the game. Kailburt.

Speaker 1 You got Kaleburg.

Speaker 1 It just is what it is.

Speaker 18 It's just brave of you. It's very brave.

Speaker 1 That was good context on the KG,

Speaker 18 you know anthony edwards 84 jordan thing when you're talking to kg and working with him does he what does he think about the celtics team um you know look those guys i work with a bunch of those guys i work with rondo i work with pierce i worked with kg and like they're all really in they're behind these guys you know kg and paul have such a connection with tatum and brown because it was literally their trade right that allowed the celtics to get them so they definitely feel this sort of responsibility to them and for them and those guys feel a lot of gratitude toward and for them and Jason Tatum actually spent this past summer working out with Paul Pierce every day.

Speaker 18 Like they were in LA every morning, 730 or whatever, in the gym together. I asked the Celtics owner a couple weeks ago, I was like, hey, I'm watching this all summer.

Speaker 18 I'm seeing the clips on social media. I talked to Paul.
I was like, do you want your young star hanging out with Paul Pierce? Like, what are we talking? now?

Speaker 18 I mean, Paul was in the room when I asked the question and Emmer laughed. And he was just like, yeah, he's like, for the workouts, sure.

Speaker 18 And Paul was like, I tell him after we're done, you go your way, I'll go mine, because

Speaker 18 I got a different job than you have.

Speaker 18 So, yeah, I think those guys are connected to the Celtics. I know you're going to see Paul Porsided games.

Speaker 18 KG just doesn't go to his mini games, so I don't know if he's going to show up or not, but I'm pretty sure that you will see some of those 08 Celtics even more at these playoff games because that organization, there is, you know, there's such a history.

Speaker 18 There is such a connection that I feel like, you know, they're going to show up.

Speaker 5 The shocking thing to me, though, is that Paul Pierce is in a gym at 7.30 in the morning every day.

Speaker 1 Probably didn't go to sleep.

Speaker 18 Tell me about it. Yeah.
Dude, tell me about it. But it's true.

Speaker 18 It's like, I don't know if it's like so many years of your body being told this is the time you wake up and this is the time you work out.

Speaker 18 I have, I've been like, did you like reset the clock on the phone so we'd think it was seven in the morning and it wasn't?

Speaker 7 But apparently no. Yeah, do like

Speaker 7 Jason Datum.

Speaker 5 2.30 workout and then you just like change the time. You just put a fake time stamp on it and you put it on Instagram.
Everybody thinks that you're there at like six getting shots up.

Speaker 18 That'd be sad. Yeah, I am getting shots up.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 18 I actually, I didn't know if Hank was going to be with you guys today. He's here.
I have like an opinion.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, she has an opinion.

Speaker 18 We talk Celtics.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's very sensitive. He's very sensitive.

Speaker 1 If you say Jason Tatum had a bad quarter, he will get very upset.

Speaker 2 He'll give you a look. Yeah.

Speaker 18 Well, no, this is, I think he's going to be happy with me. So I was really, okay, the Pacers choked away their chance to win game one.
Like, I got to say that at the outset. That's 100%.

Speaker 18 No walking that around, no back and forth. They had many chances to wrap up the game.
They didn't.

Speaker 18 The biggest one being, why in the hell was someone inbounding the ball on their own half of the court when they had a timeout and could have advanced the ball up the court? Like,

Speaker 18 Jalen Brown can't hit the three if they're not on that side of the court. So, I'm, I can't even, I can't even understand some of the crap that happened.

Speaker 18 However, once they got to overtime, Boston still had to win the game.

Speaker 18 So the Pacers choked the win, but I've had these arguments over the last two days with people being like, oh, they handed them, they handed the Celtics to win.

Speaker 18 What about the way the Celtics have or have not shown up at the end of really big games that we've criticized them for over and over again would tell you that's a foregone conclusion.

Speaker 18 Jalen Brown had to hit a shot at the end of regulation that he is hitting these days' corner threes 22% of the time. That means 78% of the time, that ball would not go in, right?

Speaker 18 And then in overtime, the Pacers actually scored the first bucket.

Speaker 18 So Indiana could have, we've seen at times where teams winning and then they go to overtime and then they just are like, great, we're putting our foot on the gas and keep going.

Speaker 18 And Baltimore was like, no, we're actually the ones that are going to keep going. And they totally overmatched them.

Speaker 18 And Tatum in the final minute hit that huge three that it was only a one-point game. And if that ball missed, they're running down the other side of the court and Pacers eating it up.
So

Speaker 18 I agree with the choking on the Pacers side. The Pacers agree with the choking.
They've said it. They're like, the mistakes were on us.

Speaker 18 We lost ourselves a game. But they didn't make Boston win.
Boston actually won.

Speaker 1 Hold on, hold on. Rachel, hold on, hold on.
You haven't been on it. We haven't had you on in a while, and that's our fault.
But you got to remember how this show works.

Speaker 1 We don't do these things for Hank. We don't compliment him and tell him that everything's going to be okay.
I don't like what just happened there.

Speaker 1 Even if it was true. Even if it was true.
No.

Speaker 18 The reason why I wanted to talk with him about this is because I have gotten killed the last two days for saying this. Yeah.
And I'm looking for someone to back me up.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's fair.

Speaker 18 I just don't understand.

Speaker 1 You didn't talk about the Halliburton diving out of bounds or giving her confidence.

Speaker 5 There's all these things that added up. It was a big-time fluke win for the Celtics.

Speaker 9 Well, it's just good to hear from a media member who's not completely biased against the Celtics and trying to spin every game and just

Speaker 1 a performance. No, I'm not.

Speaker 2 You're biased for the Celtics.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you are. You're a co-host of the show.

Speaker 9 Rachel, would you admit, as a media member,

Speaker 9 the media bias against Jason Tatum is insane and has been insane for you?

Speaker 1 You're being ridiculous.

Speaker 18 You're being absolutely ridiculous. This guy has made all NBA for a theme over and over and over again.
Nothing. He put it on my MVP ballot this year.
Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 18 He's been in six of eight conference finals. Like, how is everybody against him?

Speaker 4 Well, what's wrong with you?

Speaker 1 People expect, I think the problem with Jason Tatum is, and it's not a problem, it's more that like he is so highly acclaimed. He is so good at basketball, but there are levels to this.
So when I say,

Speaker 1 when I say I would rather have Luca than Jason Tatum, Hank gets really pouty and says that I'm being anti-Jason Tatum when in reality, it's just Luca is a

Speaker 7 true.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Luca's just

Speaker 1 one of the top three players in the NBA.

Speaker 2 That's just a fact.

Speaker 1 Jason Tatum is probably four or five.

Speaker 18 Like, I would rather have Luca than Jason Tatum, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't have Jason Tatum over like a boatload of other people.

Speaker 1 No, but think that you're being bad. Not everybody can be the best.

Speaker 18 You don't get participation trophies.

Speaker 18 Someone's the best, that means they're the best. That means other people are worse, but then those people are better than other people.

Speaker 1 Hank doesn't agree with that.

Speaker 18 The idea that there could be a question

Speaker 18 in the series I'm at, I'm at the Timberwolves Dallas series right now, that like, oh, who's the best player on the court? I'm like, guys,

Speaker 18 we know who the best player on the court is. The best player on the court is Luca Donchrich.

Speaker 18 Like, that doesn't mean his team's going to win because Minnesota is deeper and Minnesota has guys who are right there under him and Anthony Edwards is ascending and all that stuff we're talking about but this whole like ah would you rather have aunt than Luca yet no it's crazy

Speaker 18 thank you he's a generational talent thank you there's there's I just think we we gotta you know and Jason Tatum is fantastic but he's not Luca yet maybe he this Jason Tatum could have an amazing summer right let's say they get to the finals let's say they win the finals let's say that he you know, hits these money shots.

Speaker 18 We haven't seen him, you know, kind of sink some of the real game-winning NBA finals kind of, you know, the whole world is watching shots yet.

Speaker 18 If he can do that, if he can power through and kind of create that, and then he's going to be on Team USA this summer, everyone's going to watch those games.

Speaker 18 It's like the best team since Barcelona and the dream team, right?

Speaker 18 So if he can have a good role on that team and look good, and he's going to be playing with players who make him look good and against competition that will, frankly, largely make him look good.

Speaker 18 People could have a totally different opinion of Jason Tatum as a whole by the end of this summer than they do right now. But he's got to do that stuff.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's going to do it. It's a fair point, Hank.

Speaker 1 I agree with that. I agree with that.

Speaker 5 But then Anthony Edwards, we just heard from, was it Windhorse that told us that he was the best player on Team USA?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, he wore the mic.

Speaker 18 He was. Well, that was the Team USA.
That was like the junior team USA. So that was the team at the World Championships.

Speaker 18 So some of the big stars, the guys who were going, like Steph or LeBron or any of those guys, or even the slightly younger generation who are really big, they weren't on that team.

Speaker 18 That was sort of the, you know, if you're going to be a fringe addition to Team USA for the Olympics, come play on this team and show us who's really good and who deserves like the last three or four spots.

Speaker 18 I'm glad you. And Ant nailed it.

Speaker 5 I'm glad you brought up LeBron. Thank you for introducing that topic of conversation.
Never talk about it. So there's,

Speaker 5 we got a couple coaching vacancies right now. They happen to be in Los Angeles, where LeBron James plays currently, and in Cleveland, where LeBron James is from.

Speaker 1 The Cleveland Cavaliers.

Speaker 5 LeBron has some ties to the Cleveland area.

Speaker 18 Are you saying he should coach the Cleveland Cavaliers?

Speaker 5 Actually, we had not thought about that. Sounds like you just said it.
I think Bronny should coach the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Speaker 1 I did not say that.

Speaker 5 I think they got Bronny as the coach. LeBron goes back to Cleveland.

Speaker 18 We're not aggregating me.

Speaker 5 We're actually saying that it'd be very funny if LeBron got JJ hired in L.A. and then left the Lakers

Speaker 5 to go to, because he knows that he doesn't get along well with coaches. that'd be too big of a spotlight on JJ for his first stop.
So I'm going to leave town because we're bros.

Speaker 5 We can still do the podcast.

Speaker 5 But what do you think is going to happen with those coaching vacancies? If you could read the tea leaves.

Speaker 18 I don't know, man. Like

Speaker 18 LeBron is his camp is like being very ardent and making sure it's out there. LeBron is not going to have anything to do with this coaching search.
He's told the team he doesn't want any part of it.

Speaker 18 And I get that because if you don't have any ownership over the hire, people can't blame you for it. And people like to blame him for a lot of things.

Speaker 18 And then if it goes sour, if it goes south, you can be like, I didn't ask for him. Hey, man, I didn't ask for him.

Speaker 18 And you can check out if you want to, or you can be like, I don't like him or whatever. I get all that.
That's the advantage for LeBron. But it's not the advantage for the organization.

Speaker 18 You want to make him have ownership of it. You want him to say, I like this guy, I can work with this guy.
For that very reason, Darvin Hamm's relationship.

Speaker 18 deteriorated with LeBron and Anthony Davis over like the last three or four months of the season and that was it. He was out.

Speaker 18 So if the organization wants a coach where the players feel a little obligated, like we were just talking about Luca and Kyrie and Jason Kitt, that respect is just earned over being a Hall of Famer in the NBA.

Speaker 18 You've got to have someone, even if you're putting in a guy kind of, you know, more just sticking him in there as opposed to a lifelong fandom, you have to have a guy that the players are willing to say, we stand by this guy, we believe him, we'll listen to him yell at us.

Speaker 18 So if I'm the organization that, by the way, has had six coaches in 13 years and recognizes that front office recognizes they gotta, this carousel is not working.

Speaker 18 It's not, despite the bubbles, it's not how you win championships long term. Is that you know, they've got to have buy-in from the stars.

Speaker 18 And if I were the Lakers, I would say, I appreciate you don't want to be involved. We don't even have to share with anyone you were involved.
We can do it behind the scenes, but we need you involved.

Speaker 18 So I don't know how that's going to play out, but I was, when I saw that, I was like,

Speaker 18 this isn't, it's, that's not the best version of this. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Maybe, maybe Pat Riley comes home.

Speaker 18 I think Pat Riley and LeBron have like, it's softened a little bit the like white-hot hatred that was coming from Miami after LeBron left.

Speaker 18 I think maybe it's turned down a little bit, but I would not expect Pat Riley to be.

Speaker 5 I'm out of ideas then.

Speaker 18 Mentoring coaching or management.

Speaker 5 Tom Crean coached up Anthony Edwards, made him into the player he is today.

Speaker 1 I had a question about the Timberwolves. One more about

Speaker 5 the Wolves.

Speaker 1 They've got...

Speaker 5 a lot of people on their team that could be looked at as being leaders of the team for different reasons. So behind closed doors, which one of those guys between

Speaker 5 obviously Ant,

Speaker 5 Rudy, he's outspoken. He's like aloof and kind of goofy, but I feel like he is an outspoken guy.

Speaker 5 Cat, and then you got some role players too that I feel like Nas Reed might be a leader of that team too when they're just with each other. Mike Conley.
Yeah, so behind closed doors,

Speaker 5 who's the straw that stirs that drink? Who is the

Speaker 5 alpha on that team?

Speaker 18 Well, they found out a way to have two guys, right? So Ant is the one who's the alpha.

Speaker 18 and i got to give a lot of credit to car anthony towns by the way there's a lot of guys who would have had someone like that younger coming up and be like screw that get me out of here i'm not dealing with this um and he is he actually championed camp cat being the i mean ant being the alpha even before it really happened he was like this guy this is the guy this is the guy and so i think he should get credit for that um ant is a hundred percent the alpha in terms of he's the most outspoken You know, he plays as hard as he can on both sides of the floor, and that has earned him kind of premature respect from guys who are a a lot older than him even though he's only 22 years old um he is the face of the team he loves talking shit he he's he's 100 what we consider an alpha that does not mean he's the leader behind closed doors i think that mike conley's importance to this team cannot be understated and and i think it's kind of like kyrie i'm not sure you can be 22 and be the guy behind closed doors who can really pull guys aside and give them advice or have the heart to hearts or whatever because you're just feeling it out yourselves this is anthony everts first conference finals you know all of of that stuff.

Speaker 18 Mike Conley has been around the block. And I think because he's so well liked, he won Teammate of the Year that award.
Like again, I think this is not the first time this season.

Speaker 18 Like he just, he is this way with everyone. No one feels like he's pulling anything on them.
He just wants them to succeed. He's got a great temperament and personality.

Speaker 18 So I think it's kind of, they've handed off different parts of that role to different guys. And then Rudy, man, I did an interview with Rudy this morning.

Speaker 18 And man, he's still, we were talking about Defensive Player of the Year, and he's still not so happy about how people feel about him winning.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
He takes that very seriously.

Speaker 19 I mean, what do you guys think?

Speaker 1 I think Mike Conley, what, him winning Defensive Player of the Year?

Speaker 18 Yeah, were you in for that or not?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm in for it. I just, you know, it's a regular season award.

Speaker 5 I think it helps that he stinks so much on offense that his defense stands out so much.

Speaker 5 That's what the key is, right? Like, if you're a really shitty offensive player and you play very, very good defense, people are like, defensive player of the year.

Speaker 18 He has had some good offensive games. I mean, I do not want want to be put in a position of defending Rudy Gobert, but he's had some strong offensive games these playoffs.

Speaker 1 Just saying. Yeah, the problem is with all these awards, the playoffs start to bleed into the regular season.

Speaker 1 It's what you did the year before, where like Jokic, before he won his first title, people were like, how could we give him, you know, multiple MVPs? The MVP. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And so I think that's probably what is hurting Rudy Gobert in terms of public perception is he wins the award. He deserves to win the award.

Speaker 1 And then we watch

Speaker 1 the playoffs, and it's like there's been times when he's been played out of a series where it's like you can't even have him on the floor. I'm not talking about this year, but in past.

Speaker 5 There were a couple games with Jokic where he just abused himself where it was like, Rudy should not be on the floor defensively.

Speaker 1 And the award comes out simultaneous with what we're watching. And we're like, wait, how does this work? Yeah.
Yeah. So he's on the point of the business.

Speaker 18 I kind of think they should give out all the awards right at the end of the regular season because otherwise you have this danger of that happening and it's kind of bad.

Speaker 18 I mean, you know, Nikolaukic embarrasses everyone, right? Like, he's,

Speaker 18 I mean, I can I can I can remember my curse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all right, good.

Speaker 18 He is fucking amazing. Yes, like, I mean, there's you need to use the curse word part because there's no other way to say it.

Speaker 18 Like, if you're bored by him, if you don't think he's good, if you're like, oh, he's lumpy, and I don't know, like, you're just not paying attention, or you don't know basketball.

Speaker 18 Like, he is exceptional. So, yeah, he embarrasses a lot of people.
I wasn't shocked. He embarrassed Rudy.
Rudy gives his critics evidence. He hands them things to criticize them about.

Speaker 18 But I kept saying, I voted for him for defensive player of the year, and people gave me the hardest time.

Speaker 18 And I was like, how can you match him with Hakeem Elijah for four defensive player of the years? He's not at that level. I'm like, Hakeem Elijah was not on the ballot, guys.
Right.

Speaker 18 Like, I can only vote for who played the best this season and his numbers and anchoring the number one defense and having his team finish near the top of the conference.

Speaker 18 And we don't have to worry about this next year. Wemby's going to win the next, you know, five or whatever.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's, it's a weird way to chill.

Speaker 5 Where they're like, hey, well, this guy won it four times. Is he as good as that guy that used to happen in the 90s?

Speaker 5 And same thing with like Luca's or with Jokic's MVP. Yeah.
Where they're like, look at the other guys that have won three of them. Yeah, he doesn't belong in that conversation.

Speaker 1 If you did it honestly, MJ and LeBron should have more MVPs. That's just a fact.
But that's just how voting works. Yeah, that's how voting works.
Oh, Kobe has won. Yeah.

Speaker 18 Bananas.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's very weird. So since you cussed, I have a question about Luca because he gives a lot of shit to the referees, right?

Speaker 5 So everyone that's watching Luca, a lot of people don't like the fact that after every

Speaker 5 play, it feels like every pass sometimes, even he'll be in the refs here.

Speaker 5 There's some times, like on the goaltend that they called last night, Luca was calling the goaltend before the ball even went through the basket. He was like underneath the basket telling the ref,

Speaker 5 when he yells at the refs,

Speaker 5 does he curse in Slovenian and the refs just don't? Oh, yeah, he does all the things. So that's why he gets away with it because the refs don't understand.

Speaker 18 He gets away with some of it, but then he'll go and start cursing at them and arguing with them in English. And you're like,

Speaker 18 do it the other way. They can't understand you.

Speaker 18 And I don't know. I mean, look, we've been through like so many rounds of, you know, we've talked to Luca and he understands.
And he knows he can't do this as much. And it's distracting for him.

Speaker 18 It's distracting for the team. He doesn't get down to the other side of the court.
He doesn't win these arguments. Like, why is he doing it?

Speaker 18 We've gone through Luca saying, you know, he had a game in the last series where he didn't talk to the officials once. And so, of course, everyone noticed.

Speaker 18 And afterward, we asked him, Hey, what was that? And he's like, oh, everyone sat down with me, Jason, Kyrie. You got to stop doing this.

Speaker 18 They kept telling me, you know, what's why do you play basketball? Remember the joy of the game. Remember that it's fun.
Like, that was the approach they took this year.

Speaker 18 They've taken like six approaches with him. This, this year's approach is, remember the joy of the game, remember how fun it is.
Just have fun. Don't worry so much about all this stuff.

Speaker 18 And he played one game like that. And the next game, he was right back to arguing every single call.
So I don't know how you fix it. It hurts him him more than it hurts anyone else.

Speaker 18 And I don't, he's such a great and smart player. I don't know why he can't move past it.

Speaker 5 I think that's what gives him joy, though, yelling at the refs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what he gives. That's what he goes back to.

Speaker 18 That's why he got into playing basketball.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he just likes to yell at refs.

Speaker 18 I wonder if any of the refs, I get it.

Speaker 5 If any of them have started to learn Slovenian so they can figure out when he's saying the words that you're not allowed to say so I can tee you up.

Speaker 1 Joey Crawford would leave.

Speaker 18 I bet they know some of them, right? I bet they know some of them, like in the languages of the guys who are front and center, I bet they know some of those words.

Speaker 1 For sure, yeah. Because they get called them a lot.
Yeah, yeah. All right, I had one last question.
What'd they call me? Yeah, I had one last question for you, Rachel.

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Speaker 1 This is just who's going to, who do you have in the finals? Who you have winning?

Speaker 1 It's always nice when we have people on later on in the playoffs because you just have a better chance of getting this right. Like,

Speaker 1 we'll probably have Versillo on like game five of the finals and be like, all right, who do you got winning? But okay, now who do you got? Yeah, who do you have?

Speaker 2 Because you can get credit for it.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I mean, I think this is one of hard ones to call. Like, I was such a big believer in Denver, and I was frankly shocked in the fourth quarter of that series.

Speaker 18 Like, I just, I don't know what happened. I still can't tell you what happened in the fourth quarter of that series.

Speaker 18 I mean, obviously, Minnesota played, you know, great, but they had to lose, you know, Denver, Denver just,

Speaker 18 I don't understand it. So I was willing to put Denver up against everyone.
Now that the team I thought was kind of unbreakable is gone,

Speaker 18 my barriers are not right. I think whoever comes out of this series could absolutely win the finals.
And with the Celtics, you just don't know. And I don't want to disrespect the Pacers.

Speaker 18 I would not pick them in a finals matchup. I would not pick them in an industrial conference finals matchup.
Like I'm picking the Celtics in that one.

Speaker 18 The Celtics, you don't have enough information. to know if they're good enough yet.
And it drives, I know Hank's probably boiling over there.

Speaker 18 It drives Celtics fans crazy because they're like, we can only play who's in front of us.

Speaker 18 Yeah, but that doesn't mean that I now have enough information. Like, I don't know.
I don't know if you have what it takes because I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 18 I did not see it in the NBA Finals that they played against the Warriors where they just kind of fell apart as that series went on.

Speaker 18 Like, I have not seen the evidence yet that you can win an NBA Finals. That doesn't mean you can't.
And I absolutely believe that they could. But how would you know?

Speaker 18 You just, they haven't been there and showed us that they could. So that's not their fault.
It doesn't mean that they can't win.

Speaker 18 But I couldn't call it once we get to the finals because the Celtics are like a black box. You just don't know what's in there yet.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so who's the winning?

Speaker 1 Mavs. That's it.
That's my answer. Mavs?

Speaker 1 That was a good answer. That was such a long answer.

Speaker 5 I forgot that you didn't answer it. You didn't answer it.
That's a great answer.

Speaker 1 Mavs?

Speaker 1 Whoa. Thank you.
Thank you. Just not the Pacers.

Speaker 1 Not the Pacers.

Speaker 5 Maybe the Celtics. That was smart.
And then also maybe whoever wins.

Speaker 1 Now I might have to root for the Pacers just because that would be...

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 5 the funniest possible outcome for this podcast would be the Pacers. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 18 Dude, I assume you guys are rooting for the Pacers anyway.

Speaker 1 No, not for Hank.

Speaker 5 I want to see the Celtics do well. I support my friend Hank.
I want

Speaker 1 to do that.

Speaker 5 He's a heartbroken Massachusetts sports fan. Has not had a lot of success.
I want to see reverse the curse.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's fucked the Pacers right now.

Speaker 1 In this house, it's fuck the Pacers. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Right, Hank? We got your back.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 18 I feel like there's

Speaker 18 some of his fans who are like, we can never win game two. Is he one of those guys? Yeah, he's one of those you can never win game two guys? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 Or it's a bad game two guys.

Speaker 1 He also just said

Speaker 1 we just want to see him lose in the finals.

Speaker 1 That is ridiculous. I would never think that.

Speaker 1 No, it's 100% true.

Speaker 1 I don't want to see it.

Speaker 5 You'd hate to see it if it happened.

Speaker 1 You would hate to.

Speaker 1 We would hate to have to podcast about it. Rachel, you'd have to.

Speaker 5 You're going to hate watching Hank if he loses in the finals.

Speaker 1 Everyone, the Royal U. We will hate it.

Speaker 18 Yeah, exactly. Who would have wanted to see that? Well, what's his prediction for tonight?

Speaker 18 If Boston can't win game twos, but

Speaker 18 did that one tonight? What do you think?

Speaker 9 I think today they reverse the curse, win by 20. Jalen Brown drops 40.

Speaker 5 It's a must-win for the Celtics, too.

Speaker 9 NBA snub. He's going to come out hot.

Speaker 5 The Pacers, they don't lose at home. They don't.
They haven't lost at home since March 18th. It's true.

Speaker 18 Have not lost at home since the middle of March.

Speaker 5 It's a must-win for Hank tonight.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Can I brag for a second? Yeah.

Speaker 18 So we both work with DraftKings, and DraftKings has me do like a parlay bet every Tuesday. And it really, I had to learn a lot about gambling and how parlays work.
I'm going to just admit that.

Speaker 18 This was not my natural experience, I was not an expert to begin with.

Speaker 18 But I'm proud because I've had more and more wins lately. And I had a triple-win parlay on the Celtics in the last game.
Wow.

Speaker 1 And I got it. Wow.
Congratulations.

Speaker 1 You should brag about that. Yes.

Speaker 1 See?

Speaker 18 So since he was saying Jalen Brown's going to draft 40, I was like, yeah, I picked Jalen Brown's numbers. I picked Jason Taton was rebounding.
I had Al Horford. Like, I was in.
I was rolling.

Speaker 1 What do you have tonight?

Speaker 7 So there you go. Rachel's secret parlay.

Speaker 18 I didn't have to pick tonight.

Speaker 1 All right, so we'll have to turn it on on Tuesday for DraftKings. Yeah, I love it.
Yeah. It's a good plug.

Speaker 1 There you go. It's a good plug.
Well,

Speaker 1 Rachel, it was great having you back on the show. We'll make sure that we have you back on sooner than later and appreciate it as always.

Speaker 18 As always, boys, always happy to be here.

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And now, here's Tommy Pope and Chris O'Connor.

Speaker 15 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on very special guests. It is Tommy Pope, Chris O'Connor, Stuff Island guys.

Speaker 1 Also

Speaker 1 in the new comedy on Netflix, Tires, which is going to be out

Speaker 1 when we air this, probably. So,

Speaker 1 congrats on that. Thursday.

Speaker 12 Thursday morning, 3 a.m.

Speaker 1 Now, I already asked.

Speaker 1 I'm going to ask again because you guys didn't give me an answer.

Speaker 1 Shane Gillis is Adam Sandler. Who's Rob Schneider?

Speaker 8 Well, currently, it would be Gerbin.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 1 Oh, you guys aren't even in like the...

Speaker 4 You guys are kind of on the outs?

Speaker 8 No, he's in. No, no, no, no, no.
I'm a recurring character with Schultz. Okay.
So I'm in like three of the six episodes. Chris is in the shop.

Speaker 1 You're in the hole. He's one of the boys in the shop.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you guys help write it?

Speaker 11 I didn't.

Speaker 12 A little bit.

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But, yeah. What does that mean, a little bit?

Speaker 12 I don't know. I was like on set, throwing out ideas.
I was there the whole time,

Speaker 1 throwing out ideas.

Speaker 12 Like, I don't know. Some of the stuff was kind of based on scripts that we wrote a long time ago, but it changed a lot.

Speaker 5 Just like punching it up, changing some punchlines.

Speaker 16 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, most of the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 I wasn't like writing.

Speaker 1 I wasn't in the room writing with it. Is it awesome? Like, is it like set in that like you guys are going to be on a Netflix show? Like, this is all, it feels like the whole group has been on this

Speaker 2 meteoric rise.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's nuts to watch.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it is, it's weird, man. There's like so many different variants of all of our group that like we've been doing stuff for like 12 years together in different aspects.
Right.

Speaker 8 So seeing it all finally take hold is like, you know.

Speaker 12 I don't know. It hasn't sunk in.
I don't think, yeah,

Speaker 12 I still don't really believe it's real.

Speaker 5 Once it comes out and people are watching it and then they recognize you from it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, everyone's just going to call me a WAP all day. Yeah.
it's kind of sick.

Speaker 1 That's like you've reached the highest part of an Italian. Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 5 Are you guys ready to just let fame go to your head if it becomes a smash hit? You're always going to be known as the guy from tires.

Speaker 12 I don't know.

Speaker 12 I still don't believe that will happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 That, like, no, it's like considered, I mean, the writers, yeah, it was like Shane, Gerbin, and McKeever.

Speaker 11 But, like,

Speaker 8 like I said, I think this is, this is the one, and I think they'll, they'll have as many seasons seasons as they want. Yeah.

Speaker 8 It's a matter of, but like everybody is so talented that I think it's going to be like one of those.

Speaker 1 I think it'll be one of those things where

Speaker 8 they're just going to go, okay, this is a jumping point to the next project, and it's going to be something.

Speaker 8 There's just such a great group, and it's corny as fucking hell, but it's an octopus where everybody's tentacle is a different, like, you know, we have different qualities and talents, but we're all going in the same direction.

Speaker 1 It's awesome because I love the idea of like, you know, comedy is obviously a very singular thing where it's like you know you're a comedian you're up there you're not competing against everyone but you are but like seeing a group of guys do it together is is the coolest like that is why the adam sandler like i think people keep getting drawn back to it because like he's he's like i got my friends and this is awesome and we like to make movies together yeah yeah i think that was that's crazy i mean the the idea that we get that we get to be part of this show and that it's being made and it's literally just all of our friends is yeah

Speaker 12 like to even be doing this in any capacity is nuts. Yeah.
The fact that it's just all people, we

Speaker 1 just hang out anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 It's so important. It's like,

Speaker 8 you know, the quality of work you guys do here is because you're hanging around each other all the time, because you're our boys and like the work environment.

Speaker 8 And I think like the work environment, every set when it's just us, like the way McKeever directs and stuff, and then like the way they write the scripts, they're always a lot for improv.

Speaker 8 So like whatever you see on screen might have never made the script is just like a function for like

Speaker 8 a story. Right.
And then because we're all so comfortable, there's not some strange director.

Speaker 8 You're not working with an actor you just met. It's just like you know exactly how they interact.
Yeah. You know, a lot of times it's just Gerbin fighting with Shane the way Chris and I would fight.

Speaker 8 It's like you're like, you want to get a cheeseburger from Chris? Go. And then it's like, it's immediately good.

Speaker 1 Right. It's natural.

Speaker 5 The next level of this is like as it evolves, what Sandler especially did is like later on, he just started doing his movies with his boys at like vacation destinations.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm going to spend two months up.

Speaker 1 You're going to be like, Shane, let's not do

Speaker 1 tire shops.

Speaker 1 How about we do a

Speaker 5 TV show about like yacht repairman?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I started thinking about doing just a road trip movie about it. And I already have like the, but that's kind of the same selfish

Speaker 8 mentality going, let's just go do all the coolest shit. Let's do a bucket list.
If you were about to die, what would be all the coolest shit you would want to do?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the tire shop, but it's in Cabo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 All the women are naked.

Speaker 5 There's cocaine inside the tire.

Speaker 1 That's sick, though. So, and you guys just both moved to Austin, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So how's that cultural shock from New York? Because you guys were all living together in Queens, right? Yeah. Because the two of you.

Speaker 1 Were you guys living in the same apartment?

Speaker 8 Yeah. So I was there.
I was there for like 10, 11 or something like that. And Shane was with me for like five or six.
And then Chris moved in. He was with us for like four.

Speaker 8 All three of us were together for four. Shane moved upstairs.
Chris and I together for another year.

Speaker 8 And then Shane fucked off to Austin. We followed him like three months later.

Speaker 8 In terms of culture shock, it's like, I don't know if it's my age, like Chris said it on the other pod, where it's like, you don't realize the Northeast, Philly, and New York, it's like you're constantly under fucking mayhem.

Speaker 8 Your angst is up, your anxiety's flying, you're just angry for no fucking reason. And I got to Texas and I was like, oh, this is a quality of life that people talk about.
Yeah. Like you're peaceful.

Speaker 8 This is a different way to live.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 It's nice. Yeah.
Everyone's saying like nice little

Speaker 12 dude. If it's just surfacy stuff, I like it.

Speaker 8 The explosion in my endorphins and my fucking brain when a name comes out and just like waves. Yeah, it's nice, right?

Speaker 4 It's so beautiful.

Speaker 1 It's really.

Speaker 5 So what part of town are you guys in?

Speaker 8 I'm in South Austin.

Speaker 12 Okay. I'm downtown.

Speaker 5 South Austin is still pretty cool, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 There's like two or three different. I mean,

Speaker 8 there's a lot of outdoor fucking breweries and stuff like that, but there's a couple around me that are just like

Speaker 8 just enough artsy that's not too hipstery. It's real.
The people are real. You don't feel like you're in a corny space.

Speaker 8 It doesn't seem like Brooklyn, if you can understand that. It's not like Texas, Brooklyn.

Speaker 5 Going from like a Manhattan restaurant to an Austin restaurant and seeing the vast difference in size is just so crazy. So I did the opposite.
I moved from Austin to New York City. Oh, no, shit.

Speaker 5 And then I walked into my first restaurant when I got there, and I was like,

Speaker 5 how do I walk to my

Speaker 5 store?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 Even while you're in Austin, you've got like a backyard to every restaurant that's like four acres. Yeah.
Dogs running around.

Speaker 12 It's also so easy to find shit in Austin because you're just walking around, you hear like good music playing. You're like, I'll go check that out.

Speaker 5 Follow it.

Speaker 12 In New York, you have to find the spot where cool shit, you have to like dig into this nest of shit to find like a cool hang.

Speaker 21 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just, I love the idea of Tommy just being, I've said it, but like, you are the end of good fellas just walking around being like, is that guy waving or me? Yeah.

Speaker 1 What the fuck? Fuck you too. Yeah.
Right, right.

Speaker 1 No, they really are.

Speaker 8 Dude, even the customer service for like the utility bills, the people are just eating their beaches, dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're all.

Speaker 8 I gotta call them. I gotta say, like, uh, I gotta switch over gas and stuff.
And I'm just

Speaker 8 deep breath dredging, you know, dreading rather talking to this fucking woman who's gonna give me a hard time getting my gas turned over. And she's just sweet as pie, picks up right away.

Speaker 8 I'm not on hold for 30 fucking minutes. She's asking about my day before we get to business.

Speaker 13 So are you worried about?

Speaker 5 Are you gonna get soft, though? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 You're gonna miss that East Coast, like, you know, combativeness.

Speaker 8 No, I think I was in the trenches long enough that I can never, you know, I can never go back to the pussy lifestyle.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I still, I see

Speaker 12 we're in like a honeymoon phase. Yeah.
It's just like, man, it's so nice down. I can't believe we're down here.
Yeah. I think it'll, after a year, we'll slowly slip back.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm kind of rooting for you guys to get soft.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you'll know it, too.

Speaker 8 I think the year thing is like, it's a good, that's a good milestone right there. It's like a year because you're going to get experience of summer.

Speaker 8 Because I have no idea what that's going to be like. You do.

Speaker 8 No fucking idea. I don't know if I'm going to enjoy it or not.
And then you go, okay, well, I'm I'm in space. I'm in a lot of space.
Do I miss the animals?

Speaker 8 But the good thing is, the club where we, you know, Mothership is on 6th Street. Yeah.
And that's Mayhem.

Speaker 1 So you get a little, you get a little bit of both. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And 6th Street at night, it turns into just a cluster fucking. It's Mardi Grave.
So there is some chaos there for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 12 Your brain's kind of your brain.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? Ooh, that's good. That was deep.
Jesus. I mean, that was just like deep.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 I feel like

Speaker 12 as much as things have changed, you're still kind of like

Speaker 13 in the same thing,

Speaker 1 escape your own movie. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 Like, I don't know, do you feel like you're way different now than you were in New York?

Speaker 1 New York does, I think it's more just like there's a deep breath that you can take when you leave New York that you didn't realize you were holding it in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, you're like, oh, shit.

Speaker 8 I was. Chicago's a perfect lateral movie.
Yeah. Because you still have a beautiful city, lots of entertainment.
That's not just one note. and end piece.

Speaker 1 Right. And there's trees and like parks and stuff.
Yeah. New York, like, yeah, you just kind of like hold it in your like your shoulders.
No, for sure. Shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 I was kind of just I used to say that's how that's how that's why Philadelphia is one of the ugliest cities because I think they're all born beautiful and just the tension around them just gets them like they start hunkering down and they start losing their size and their eyebrows get down because they're always like fuck you fuck you and they just turn into orcs

Speaker 1 always protecting

Speaker 8 always protecting like one little piece of land like my dad always protected the front grass all the time like get the fuck off the lawn like kids would just walk along a corner yeah just angry his whole fucking life, not knowing he could go 30 miles this way and just live in Lancaster.

Speaker 8 Yeah, have sex with his wife again. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 It's a question, though. Like, your brain is your brain.
So, like, if you, if you move somewhere, you never, I think people do change, though.

Speaker 16 I think

Speaker 16 our environment, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, if we lived in San Diego, I'd be so happy. How do you not become like we actually discussed it? Like, you know, bisexual? Hank, Hank,

Speaker 1 Hank, one of us moved to California. He's like, we can't be sports fans the same way in California.

Speaker 2 Like, I just don't think you you can I don't think it can matter as much.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean it's that beautiful every day.
I don't I don't know.

Speaker 8 I mean I agree with this a little bit, but I will say I don't know enough about the summer yet. I do I will miss 1 million percent miss the change of seasons.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Like that that to me

Speaker 12 but you're talking about growing up there. Yeah, it's hard to be a sports fan

Speaker 12 on the same level.

Speaker 1 Or just move.

Speaker 1 I think if you move to California, and maybe I'm way off, but like if my team loses a big game and it's like, oh, it's 70 degrees, I can go to the beach, I just don't think you hold it in the same way.

Speaker 1 Oh, come on, dude. You think so? Yeah.
Oh, I think a playoff loss in football when it's like, you know, this is where your brain's already a brand new.

Speaker 10 Your brain's

Speaker 1 you get to the beach and you go, I'm sitting at a fucking beach. My team just lost.

Speaker 12 Who the fuck do I think I am?

Speaker 1 Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 12 Riding a bike along the beach is nice for two weeks, and then you start going, who the fuck does this?

Speaker 5 I think eventually it just takes over you. Other people's brain take over your brains because you're out there, you make new friends.

Speaker 5 Your friends aren't as into sports because they grew up in San Diego.

Speaker 8 Then they're not my friend.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 2 you're not my friend.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you have to find like

Speaker 1 the ultimate disposition. I'm going to use the F-word on you.

Speaker 12 I don't know, man.

Speaker 5 I feel like it would change us. It would make us...
Because right now, I think the beauty of this show sometimes is that we get pissed off over the smallest, most inconsequential things.

Speaker 5 Like little tiny things, like the jerseys the Nuggets wore last night in game seven. Sure.
Those were game two jerseys. They were not game seven.
I agree with that 100%.

Speaker 5 If I'm in San Diego, do you think I'm like, I'm getting riled up about what the Nuggets wore? I think you get more.

Speaker 12 I mean, again, if you transplanted there, I think you'd get more mad. You're brain mad.

Speaker 12 Because walking out into a nice sunny day is like when you go in the locker room after a loss and people are dancing. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 19 Shut the music off.

Speaker 1 This is not what a loss looks like.

Speaker 8 You guys having a good time?

Speaker 1 Shit, your brain is your brain. Yeah, dude.
Fucking deep.

Speaker 8 This will be a big test will be the Eagles season in fucking Austin. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Will you be able to get fired up? Oh, 100%. Baby.

Speaker 12 Okay. Yeah.
I mean, you're in the thresher.

Speaker 1 Put me in Russia. Fucking

Speaker 1 something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, our guy Max, he's a big Philly fan, and the Eagles torture him. He's just angry all the time.

Speaker 8 But again, it's great. It's great torture.
Going fucking what?

Speaker 8 11-win season? I'll take it for a little while.

Speaker 8 The fumble in the Super Bowl is the shit that will always echo in your skull. Yeah.
Because

Speaker 10 you had it.

Speaker 12 All the momentum.

Speaker 8 But if you're getting there and getting your ass whooped, you just still go, ah, maybe next year.

Speaker 5 Did you guys do any deep background research on the Sod Father? The guy that put the grass down for that game?

Speaker 8 No, I didn't do any research. I don't think that's like...
He's a suspect.

Speaker 13 No, he's really a suspect.

Speaker 5 You should learn about that.

Speaker 8 No, I've read enough, and then I went, I can't, I'm not mentally strong and emotionally strong enough for this shit.

Speaker 1 Exactly. What's the deal with this guy?

Speaker 5 He has been doing the

Speaker 5 groundskeeping work for the Chiefs for like, what, 50 years?

Speaker 2 His whole life.

Speaker 5 He was his last game game was the Super Bowl. And on the way out, they had all that controversy about how slick the grass was, how it was.

Speaker 1 And the Chiefs knew. The Chiefs had the right cleats.
Yeah. The Eagles didn't.
Really?

Speaker 19 I did not know his next topic.

Speaker 1 Someone in the paper over there?

Speaker 1 That kind of shit matters, dude.

Speaker 12 I, I like, because certain, again, certain surfaces play to certain teams. And like, yep, that shit drives me nuts.

Speaker 1 Look into it. Yeah.
I liked it, Tommy, just like, looked at the read one paragraph on ESPN.com and was like, I can't. Yeah.
Yeah. Literally cannot handle.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's like

Speaker 8 a mother of six going, a child was kidnapped. And it's like, I can't have that in my skull right now.

Speaker 1 I got six beautiful angels on my couch.

Speaker 8 I'm not reading about this kid fucking getting angry.

Speaker 1 God.

Speaker 1 All right. So, yeah, that will be the big test.
It's like, can you get worked up? I mean, yeah, you will be with Cowboys fans.

Speaker 13 So that does.

Speaker 5 That'll be actually a perfect way to

Speaker 1 keep you locked up.

Speaker 5 Get you angry.

Speaker 8 There's nothing worse than a Cowboys fan. Dude, a Cowboys fan in Texas, I'll take it.
I'll listen to you. Yeah.
But seeing a Cowboys fan in Philly or anywhere but Texas, you're a pile of garbage.

Speaker 5 It's interesting because I found that Cowboys fans outside of Texas are they're more delusional about the Cowboys than the ones that are actually fans.

Speaker 8 They just want to be something.

Speaker 5 They like the image of the Cowboys.

Speaker 12 They fell for the American scene.

Speaker 8 Down there, it's just Mexican dudes wanting to talk about something. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 They're more knowledgeable Cowboys fans in Texas than they are anywhere else.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 So, are you from Austin?

Speaker 5 No, originally from D.C., so I'm a Sanders football team, Redskins fan,

Speaker 1 whatever name is this year.

Speaker 1 It's awful. I'm actually

Speaker 1 mad. Yeah, you can't be mad at me.
No, no, no, no. We're not a threat.
Dude, no, but I am.

Speaker 8 You guys did make some good changes. It's going to take.
You got rid of that fucking pervert. That's great.
Yep.

Speaker 1 And which one?

Speaker 1 Who owns the organization? Oh, yeah, yeah, that guy. The head.

Speaker 1 Great question.

Speaker 1 Specify here.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I think the next five years are going to be a nice building building squad for you boys. Oh,

Speaker 1 that was mean. What he just said.

Speaker 1 That was a lot of fun. I need to be out.
So Patty's going to build something.

Speaker 10 It's going to be cute in a little five-year rebuild.

Speaker 1 It's a good time.

Speaker 12 He's not 80.

Speaker 8 It's not like me saying that to my dad.

Speaker 5 I spent the last seven years of my life just willing

Speaker 5 every ounce of my inner being trying to get Dan Snyder out. He was my biggest enemy.
I just went after him all the time, brought up a lot of old shit that he did. I was like,

Speaker 5 I won't live past this guy because he's a billionaire, so he's going to live to be like 110. So I can't die with him still as the owner.
I got my wish. He sold the team.

Speaker 5 Now I'm the dog that caught the ambulance. I'm like, I don't, now what?

Speaker 1 Now what?

Speaker 5 It was way easier to just get mad at Dan Snyder for all my problems.

Speaker 2 Did you get any like legal issues with that?

Speaker 8 Like, I know some of those guys like actually go after.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it happens with James Dolan and the Knicks a lot. Right.
I feel like he goes after, I mean, we're banned from, we tried to do a show at where? The Beacon Theater?

Speaker 2 Yeah, Beacon Theater.

Speaker 1 And we were told no. Really?

Speaker 12 Because he's owned by MSG? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 He owns a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 And we sold shirts that said, like, sell the team like eight years ago. One of our other guys did hiss at him on the street.

Speaker 2 I don't know if that has anything to do with it.

Speaker 1 He literally hissed at him. Yeah.

Speaker 12 I'm not a huge fan of that guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, James Dolan? Yeah, yeah. Way to go out on a game.
Nobody. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 I don't understand why they can't force him out.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 2 how could you?

Speaker 5 Because it sets a bad precedent.

Speaker 5 If the other owners are like, hey, we got to get this guy out, they make him sell the team, then they all know that they've got some skeletons.

Speaker 7 And they cut.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but also they cut the whole fight.

Speaker 8 It's like getting a new head coach.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 You know, if you know the head coach is not great, but the offensive coordinators, boys, are the head coach. As soon as you get a new head coach,

Speaker 8 the whole system of coaches is gut.

Speaker 13 No, no, no.

Speaker 12 This is just a cultural problem. They got to make a change.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you can't like people.

Speaker 12 You got to give him a handshake and say, hey, man. It's all billionaires who like to come.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, think about some of the guys that got kicked out of different places, different teams, like how it took like a long time or they had to do some real, like Donald Sterling or, you know, the guy, who was the guy who owned the Suns, or even the guy of the Panthers.

Speaker 1 Like, they don't want to kick anyone out because then everyone could turn around and be like, but what about you? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 I think Jerry Jones doesn't have any skeletons in his closet where he's.

Speaker 8 He's got skeletons in his fucking face. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like his teeth are disgusting.

Speaker 5 But yeah, they don't want another owner to sell because then at the end of the day, they're like, shit, somebody can make me sell because I've done some fucked up shit.

Speaker 1 Think about when Dan Snyder was getting under all that pressure like a year ago, ago when it was right getting to the point where it was like, oh shit, he's got to sell this team.

Speaker 1 You think it was a coincidence that Jerry Jones pictures from when he was like protesting black kids

Speaker 1 in a great school popped up?

Speaker 2 Like that shit just starts coming up.

Speaker 1 A bunch of mud slinging. Yeah, right.
Like, oh, you want to do it? Okay, we'll do it too.

Speaker 8 Like Steinbrenner, I'm going to tailgate that dude's funeral.

Speaker 1 Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones.

Speaker 1 Why? You guys should like him.

Speaker 1 He is

Speaker 1 making all the wrong things. Yeah, he meddles.

Speaker 1 Like, outside of the 90s, he just meddles so much much that it's like, yeah, I mean, I actually respect Jerry Jones and the fact that if I were an owner, I would do the same thing and be like, I'm the GM, too.

Speaker 1 I'm the coach. Like, I'm calling the plays.

Speaker 2 It's my team.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I like that.

Speaker 2 I would do the same thing. I don't know.

Speaker 12 But once you start eating exclusively applesauce, you got to hang it up.

Speaker 1 And he made an AI, like, robot version.

Speaker 1 Political on me, dude.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he makes people do a tour of Cowboys Stadium, and there's an AI Jerry Jones that you can talk to if you're like a fan going through that. Really?

Speaker 1 He's in that late stage, the the the super rich guys that get like so obsessed with living forever yeah and they start doing weird shit like taking their kids blood and shit yeah yeah but i get that

Speaker 1 part i get like taking people's blood yeah dude

Speaker 1 if you were

Speaker 8 if you were old and a billionaire oh yeah everything is gone right so right in your life the entire the only thing that's coming for you is death and it would be so unacceptable yeah i don't know man i feel like i've had so much fun already i'm only 44 i i'm cool with a dirt nap at this point no you aren't dude doubling right now no no no but like imagine if if i make it to fucking 80 yeah but i think that's so exhausted if you make it to 80 you probably had a ton more success you're like this rocks i want to keep going nah at that point you got to fucking pump your dick up to touch anything being a hundred

Speaker 1 percent be drinking children's blood to yes to stay young you still be still yeah you but yeah yeah yeah yeah you'll be on fucking i started at 35.

Speaker 1 No Tylotion King Tires season 200

Speaker 10 I want to keep doing this.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah, don't even have cars anymore. Yeah,

Speaker 1 they're all flying from now on nobody's coming to shop

Speaker 2 a 90s sitcom Take your top off

Speaker 1 this science fiction what the fuck

Speaker 1 so all right, so you guys are on the road doing your podcast on the road I gotta say the Chevy Chase clip

Speaker 8 it's so funny. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean that I laughed. That was one of those clips that I saw and I started showing everyone.
Chris, you've never told a story. Can you tell the story correctly right now?

Speaker 1 You've never told a story worse than that.

Speaker 8 If there's one clip that really resonates with our relationship,

Speaker 8 there's like three of them, which shows you how his brain works and how my brain works, how our energies work, and why our podcast works. That fucking clip is exactly it.

Speaker 8 We're in a car traveling to a show, and he just brings up a random joke because we were struggling at the beginning of the podcast because we're focused on the energy of the traffic and stuff, and it was our first like in-car.

Speaker 12 No, we were driving through Chevy Chase, Maryland.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 And what happened?

Speaker 12 He just was like, and he goes, Yeah, it's uh well, you said I heard the guy's a dick, and I was like, Yeah, he'd fucking kick me off his trampoline.

Speaker 8 Yeah, yeah, and he said it just like that, and I went, I laughed, and I was just like, That's a good bit, dude.

Speaker 8 Oh, no, I was like, oh, yeah, and he goes, Yeah, I was jumping too high, and I thought it was just the corniest joke of all time.

Speaker 8 I thought that was cute.

Speaker 1 I was like, that's a good bit, dude. Yeah, no.
That's a real thing that happened. Seriously.

Speaker 8 Jebby Chase kicked me off his trampoline.

Speaker 8 And then my mind explodes going, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Why would you say it like that? Yeah, why it like that? No one says it like that. So what happened? Well, so the best part is, it's just, it's going to lead us right back to

Speaker 1 no redemption. There's only one way to have it, dude.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 No, so I, I, it was freshman year of high school. So, all of our middle school, or my high school was like gigantic, all of our middle school is like blended together.

Speaker 12 And uh, this kid in my biology class from another school, I wound up

Speaker 12 becoming friends with him just in class, and then he was talking about how he's dating Chevy Chase's daughter, and I was like, what?

Speaker 12 And then he was like, a couple weeks went by, and it like kind of got around the class, and then he invited like a bunch of us, like me and like literally like 13 other kids to go to chevy chase's house

Speaker 12 one afternoon after school so like

Speaker 12 after school we just got picked up in this giant van and we all went to chevy chase's house and then we get there it's like this is weird it's just like in new york somewhere and uh we get there There's like a dance recital planned with like his daughter, whom this kid I know is dating.

Speaker 4 That's why you don't want to be too successful.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 It was so weird. So the kid, like, his daughter starts dancing with a kid that I played on, like, a Connecticut, New York, like, lacrosse all-star team with.

Speaker 12 So I'm like, what the fuck is this kid doing here? And apparently he had been taking dance lessons the whole time.

Speaker 1 And he's like a ballroom dancer.

Speaker 12 So like, and he saw me and was like, fuck.

Speaker 1 Dude.

Speaker 12 So now he has to do like ballroom dancing with Chevy Chase's daughter in front of us in like a barn.

Speaker 1 There's just 13 fucking dancers. You can tell this part of that.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 12 And we're all sitting there, like, and the kids I was with were like much more just like, fuck this fucking kid, like, just ripping on them the whole time. So then that ended.

Speaker 12 You're just rooting for your boy? Yeah. And I was like, you know, I was like, one of those things where I was like, I always kind of wanted to be a comedian, but I had no idea how to do it.

Speaker 12 And I'm like fucking at Chevy Chase's house and I'm like, I got to impress him somehow.

Speaker 1 He sponsored treadmill.

Speaker 12 I'm like, I know that I'm not going to be able to just joke around with him. So I'm like, I'm going to impress him by how high I can jump on this trampoline.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 again, this is all new information to me.

Speaker 12 We're in his backyard, and

Speaker 12 like me and this other kid get, like, we're taking turns going on the trampoline. I'm on with this other kid, and I'm jumping so fucking.

Speaker 8 You're headlining the trampoline?

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude. I'm rushing on you too.

Speaker 21 And he walks out and he's like standing there.

Speaker 12 And I'm like just jumping as high as I fucking can being like Chevy Chase is. I'm thinking Jeffy Chase is going to go, holy shit.

Speaker 1 This kid's like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 Like, what's your situation?

Speaker 13 Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 Like, you want to go on the road with me? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You, yeah.
Are you a comedian?

Speaker 5 I'm going to make this kid a star.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And instead, he goes, get off my trampoline.

Speaker 12 You're jumping too high.

Speaker 12 It's dangerous. And I was like, oh, man.
And I get off the trampoline. And then he just jumps on the trampoline with my friend.
And I was just standing there like, oh, damn.

Speaker 1 Jealous. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He took your air. Yeah.
Oh, so they just did that and I wasn't allowed on the only thing I was good at, I wasn't allowed to do.

Speaker 1 That's such a little kid thing, too.

Speaker 1 Like, you remember when you were like 12 and you're like, if I, you know, shoot hoops, like, like, someone's going to drive

Speaker 1 a ball, right? You'd be like, I need that kid in the NBA.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 That's how my mom thought, like, when I first started doing stand-up, like, two years later, my boy Luke Cunningham got into Fallon as a writer.

Speaker 8 And my mom's like, why don't you just ask Luke to get you in?

Speaker 8 And I was like, Ma, you think that's just how it works? Like somebody just is doing that now and you just go, hey, Luke, can you ask Fallon?

Speaker 1 I mean, that's literally what happened with Shein.

Speaker 1 So you never met Chevy Chase again, right?

Speaker 12 No, no.

Speaker 5 He took us through his whole house.

Speaker 12 He played piano for us.

Speaker 1 Oh, what a dick. Hell.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, it was really crazy. And then we played his security guards and basketball on his like private private court, his outdoor court, and then we just went home.

Speaker 1 What a day. I have heard he's a dick, though.

Speaker 5 And that story confirms it to me.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, it's funny. I like said that to someone once.
I was like, he's a fucking dick, man. He treated us like a bunch of assholes.
And he was like, it was like an it was when I was an adult.

Speaker 12 There was another adult man. He was like, yeah, he had a bunch of fucking 13-year-olds at his house.

Speaker 1 Of course, he was a dick.

Speaker 1 That would be the one time he was actually in the right. Yo, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Joey Chase is a dick, but not this.

Speaker 12 I don't like the more I it's like I don't even know how that kid pitched his girlfriend on the idea.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you were in a barn watching his girlfriend and another dude dance? Dance. Yeah.
It was so

Speaker 8 one of those stories. You just go, you check in on that person, find out where they live, and go, hey, see if they're still alive or inflect, you know,

Speaker 8 self-inflicted gunshot.

Speaker 5 Was it competitive ballroom dancing? Was it being like judged?

Speaker 19 I mean, I don't remember being competitive.

Speaker 1 Calm down, bro.

Speaker 19 Ballroom dancing? I'm being competitive.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Imagine just casually ballroom dancing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, true. Not much.

Speaker 2 Lazily? Yeah.

Speaker 7 Get the fuck out of my ballroom.

Speaker 1 Work for this. Yeah.

Speaker 11 Dragging your feet. What a story.

Speaker 12 And I remember my parents, I don't even know if they, I think they might have just thought I went out and was like smoking weed or something.

Speaker 1 You're like, no, I was getting yelled at by Chevy Chase.

Speaker 12 I was like, I just got back from Chevy Chase's house. And they were like, cool, go to bed.

Speaker 1 They were like, did you take acid this time?

Speaker 1 Like, what the hell? Yeah.

Speaker 12 Chevy Chase. I remember like leading up to it.
I was like, I'm not coming home after practice today. I have to go to Chevy Chase's house.
And they were like, okay.

Speaker 5 So walk us through the start of the podcast because I want to know how you guys got from like point A when you started podcasting together to where we're at right now and how it took off, the whole story behind it.

Speaker 12 I mean, we were just drinking together.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 We were just drunk over the pandemic together. And we were watching, we were going through the Sopranos.
We were watching every episode of The Sopranos.

Speaker 1 You guys were roommates at the time.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah. Just drinking whiskey.

Speaker 8 And we were just having a fun time, like talking shit there's a deeper story to this where i from my perspective we weren't as i said in the last pod chris and i weren't getting along because he was in different and it wasn't a big amount unbeknownst to me yeah you didn't like no no i just didn't i didn't know chris because like he wasn't hanging out and he would just go out to shows with shane and i wasn't i wasn't going out with those guys at that time and i felt like there was just such a disconnect with somebody living in the apartment that i was like he was more shane's boy at that time ah and then when shane started popping off and being out a lot chris and I finally got to know each other.

Speaker 8 And like a couple things happened, and like we started becoming like close friends. And then the

Speaker 8 pandemic happened, then we came back and started getting fucked up. And then he kept saying, like, yo, we should start a podcast.

Speaker 8 And I was coming off the heels of a podcast I hated doing for like three years. And I was like, shut up.
And I just laughed it off.

Speaker 12 Yeah, he was like, no.

Speaker 1 You just got out of a podcast relationship.

Speaker 1 I don't want to get my hurt.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I'm not trying to fuck anybody else over.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 And then finally, he just kept saying, he's like, we'll do it it tomorrow. And I kept trying to get him drunk.

Speaker 1 You remember that?

Speaker 8 When you were like, he got all the equipment.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 He set a date. He's like, all right, tomorrow we're going to do a podcast.
I'm like, all right.

Speaker 12 So the next day, I was like, kept trying to get me.

Speaker 8 Let's go to Maggie's. No, I know.

Speaker 1 It's a hard, heavy lift. No, no, no.
Like, too drunk to say. Just open up the refrigerator.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 No, every step of the way, Tommy was digging his heels. He didn't want to do it.
We recorded one. He was like, don't put it out.

Speaker 12 And then I remember, like, I edited it and put it together and uh he was like don't put it out let's bank a bunch and then i just spazzed and just put it online and like went to the gym and ran because i was so pissed and then it did really well yeah i mean well you know yeah no it was immediate like we had like a good reaction i just didn't i've never done a podcast with outside of being a guest with friends i never had just two guys right so like You don't know, you kind of black out while you're talking.

Speaker 8 You don't know what you said. Yep.

Speaker 1 And you don't know how it went. Yep.

Speaker 8 Because you don't know what other people perceive as funny. So you're having a fucking blast in a way, but is it the best you could be? Never.

Speaker 8 And then you read comments going, that's fucking hilarious. You're like, oh, shit.

Speaker 8 And then we just did it every week, but it's all because you.

Speaker 12 And then there was like kind of a nice thing where we, we, like, because we had only really been like hanging out every day for like a month.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Like we were spending like every, like we, he was getting me to go to the gym because I was sad. So it was like going to the gym and then we get drunk at night.
And so it was like a month of that.

Speaker 12 So we didn't really know each other that well. So the start of it was very fun because you're just like literally learning about a person, but already like very much in sync with them.
Right.

Speaker 12 You know what I mean? I think it's tough to like start a podcast if you've known someone for like 20 years. Yeah.
Because then they're telling a story and you're like, yeah, I've heard.

Speaker 5 I think the most important part,

Speaker 8 not that I'm trying to get people to start podcasts, but is like you have to have someone that has differing opinions, a total different perspective on life.

Speaker 8 That's where the content comes from, is like the conflict.

Speaker 1 It's like

Speaker 8 the shit he says naturally, I'm baffled. And the shit I say, he's baffled.
It's like easy to talk for an hour. An hour flies when you're just going, you're a fucking idiot.
Right. On both sides.

Speaker 8 We're just ping-pong, and you're a fucking idiot.

Speaker 8 So then all of a sudden, you just go, oh, shit, that was fun. Yeah.
Like, you're still a fucking idiot.

Speaker 1 And then you do it again. And

Speaker 8 it's been two and a half years. So

Speaker 8 it's not going to slow down.

Speaker 1 No. I mean, it's doing a great job.
I mean, like, the, I think the

Speaker 1 relationship you have with each other, that's, I mean, that's what this podcast is, too, where it's like, we're dumb. We don't know.
We're not like actually giving you actually insight about sports.

Speaker 1 We're just talking about sports as sports fans. Right.
And people like the relationships more than anything.

Speaker 8 100%. They want to feel like they're hanging out with you.
Right.

Speaker 8 Exactly.

Speaker 5 It's also good that sports just gives us brand new material to work with.

Speaker 1 That's every single day. Yeah, we have everything.

Speaker 5 Scotty Scheffler gets arrested on Friday. I was like, well, all right, that Monday show is done.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't have to ask my best friend how he's doing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, talk about Scheffler. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what happened with that?

Speaker 12 They wrote that in such a confusing way, that article.

Speaker 1 I was saying that when I woke up the first 30 seconds that I was awake, I was like, Scotty Scheffler killed someone. That's what I thought.
What the fuck just happened? No, he

Speaker 2 was like, someone actually tragically did die.

Speaker 1 What? Yeah. Oh, before he got there.
Yeah. So he was trying to.

Speaker 8 No, they have to execute someone every time he shows up.

Speaker 1 That was a great one. Mr.
Scheffler's here.

Speaker 1 And then he was trying to bypass traffic, and a cop who probably didn't know who he was tried to stop him and was like, he does look like every golfing. Right, right.

Speaker 5 He does. But apparently, he was in a specially marked car that the tournament gives you.
It's like this white Lexus that all the players drive.

Speaker 1 The cop fucked up. Yeah, the colours.
Really, it comes down to, I think the cop didn't realize that he was

Speaker 1 playing in the tournament.

Speaker 12 Yeah, someone died, though. It's not like you get VIP access to it.

Speaker 8 But he wasn't running through the crime scene. He He was trying to go around to the camera.

Speaker 1 To get into the tournament.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they were saying there's an investigation still going on. He was like, yeah, I'm still playing in the tournament.
The cop grabbed the window, and he's like, what are you doing?

Speaker 8 And they drug him for like 300 yards.

Speaker 4 That's the way they wrote it.

Speaker 12 He was drugged to the ground, which I don't believe very much.

Speaker 1 There's no way he gets out of jail that quickly. The charges were also already dropped, right?

Speaker 5 They might be dropped.

Speaker 5 I'm thinking that they're probably going to be dropped because it sounds from the report like the cop ran after the car, probably grabbed onto it, and then fell down.

Speaker 5 And then he got up and he was like, oh, my wrist has a scratch on it. It did, yeah.
His pants, by the way, the real story, his pants, the officer's pants,

Speaker 5 were damaged beyond repair.

Speaker 1 So that was included. They wrote off at least from the beyond repair.
Beyond repair.

Speaker 12 To give you an idea of how gentle it went.

Speaker 5 The officer's pants valued at $89 were damaged beyond repair.

Speaker 1 Beyond repair. In the sense that that's officially written in there.
They had to throw in something to make it like, why did you arrest Scotty Sheffer? It's like, well, my pants, dude. Yeah.

Speaker 4 My bird dogs.

Speaker 1 Who's going to fucking take this?

Speaker 12 Wait, did they arrest him later?

Speaker 10 No, no, right away.

Speaker 12 Get up and go arrest him.

Speaker 13 On site.

Speaker 1 On site, they arrested him.

Speaker 8 Dude, he got out and shot like a fucking 66.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 8 He got out of prison and shot like a five under.

Speaker 7 Six under?

Speaker 1 Six under. They put him in the five under, yeah.
It's pretty good.

Speaker 5 They put him in the orange jumpsuit and they took his mug shot, which is just a fucking hilarious mug shot. Very funny.
Because Scotty Scheffler is the most boring person on planet Earth.

Speaker 5 Here he is in a mug shot like fucking Frank Sinatra back in the day.

Speaker 5 So they let him out. He goes back to the golf course.
I was hoping he was going to wear the orange jumpsuit on the course. That would have been awesome.

Speaker 8 Did you see that kid who had the screen print t-shirt of him, his headshot at the fucking first round?

Speaker 8 I just went to a screen printing t-shirt company. Oh, we had the headshot.

Speaker 1 We had the shirts in the store instantly. Oh, did you? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 11 Jesus.

Speaker 5 But showing the initiative to drive to the store, get one printed up and have one. It's funny the time for him to show up.

Speaker 1 That guy was just panicking the whole time.

Speaker 2 He's just like, fuck, I gotta get that fucking t-shirt.

Speaker 1 He's showing another person.

Speaker 5 If he made one of those, like, this idiot should have made a hundred of them and sold them.

Speaker 1 No, not that. Scotty Scheffler getting arrested probably bought Ms.
Peach's Dave's dog like a hundred thousand dollar bed. Yeah, that happened all in one morning.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I remember when OJ got arrested, we had free the juice t-shirts down by the Veterans Stadium for birds games. Like every

Speaker 8 that was like the same day, it was only like a Sunday or something. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They had just

Speaker 1 some t-shirts. Got a free the juice.

Speaker 1 Probably didn't age perfectly. Yeah.
That's all right.

Speaker 8 He went to fucking

Speaker 5 80 years old.

Speaker 12 That's what's going to happen when you're a billionaire.

Speaker 12 They're going to get the photo of you saying the free the juice.

Speaker 1 Look at this guy.

Speaker 5 Wait, so I'm a great football player.

Speaker 1 I had a question about that. So you lived with Shane when everything happened with SNL?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Did you, were you just like standing over him being like, man, that sucks?

Speaker 5 Like, I don't know how you would,

Speaker 8 you know, I'm not going to speak for him, but like he, the way he handled it, Shane has a very, like, he's, he's just like, yeah, it sucks, but like, yeah, no, he's, yeah, he's very, like, internal.

Speaker 8 He's a fucking, he was the man about it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But he really was.

Speaker 8 After it came out, yeah, he's obviously like, yeah, it was hell.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 He's every day he's getting bombarded. So I think the safe space for home was like, just chill.
Don't fucking bring it up. Don't talk.
Just be best friends. It's just hang out.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 You don't want to just be smart.

Speaker 8 Because he's getting fucking shelled everywhere else online. I can't imagine it.

Speaker 1 It feels like, yeah, when that happens, when I mean, we had it, but not to that level.

Speaker 12 Yeah. It just was funny.

Speaker 12 He was just on the couch.

Speaker 19 Chilling. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Video games.

Speaker 1 I think that's why people love Shane. Yeah, I think that's why they love him.

Speaker 12 His schedule was the same, except every once in a while he'd get up and take a phone call, and it was like some massively powerful person.

Speaker 1 And then he'd come back on the couch unpausemat.

Speaker 1 That's perfect. Yeah, that is why

Speaker 1 that's why everyone loved the way he.

Speaker 8 I get that question all the time. Like, is Shane really liked him?

Speaker 10 Oh, yeah. Dude, it's 1 billion percent.

Speaker 1 He's just one of the bros. Like, it couldn't be more one of the bros.
It's awesome. I mean, even at Brady's Roast, when everyone's in a tux and he's in a sweatshirt.

Speaker 1 The camera pan, and we're like, what the fuck? Dude, he walked up like...

Speaker 8 He walked up like Steinway. He's like, I got to get a jacket for this fucking black tie event.
He was like doing that show with Jon Stewart.

Speaker 21 Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 I forget what it's it's called.

Speaker 1 And he came back in like 15 minutes. He goes, I can't do it.

Speaker 1 He walked into like the gap and he goes, nope, turns around, comes home. Oh, I've had that happen so many times where I walk in somewhere, like, yeah, I'm going to get something nice.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Put it on.
No, it's not me. Can't do that.

Speaker 8 Meanwhile, I'm trying on women's shoes.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 you dress nice.

Speaker 8 I live in Nanium. Thanks, pal.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What's that about?

Speaker 8 Yeah, what happened? I like to care about how I dress and how I smell.

Speaker 8 It's always been my M.O.

Speaker 14 Mm-hmm. You

Speaker 5 You actually wear women's shoes? No.

Speaker 8 I'm just saying I do love the shop and I it's very Italian. If I didn't find something for myself, I'd jump into the women's section.
Yeah, the best part.

Speaker 8 It's a very, I strung that along way too far, the joke itself. I apologize.
Cut that.

Speaker 1 The best part about very Italian men is that they're like, I'm alpha masculine, but they're just like right on the line of like...

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 dressing

Speaker 1 in high heels in like women's fashion. Like, yeah, I like fashion.

Speaker 8 Yeah, but dude, I'm mostly Irish. I'm like a whopping sheep's clothing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's actually a good thing.

Speaker 5 You guys actually have a, it's a very complicated name to look up because I'm sure you get this a lot, but when I was just Googling you guys to try to see what you guys were all about, I typed in O'Connor Pope, and the first like three pages was just Sinead O'Connor on it.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Tearing up a picture of the park.

Speaker 1 That's it, yeah. Yeah.
My real name is Tom Papa.

Speaker 8 I had to change it because of Tom Papa.

Speaker 5 Who's Tom Papa?

Speaker 8 He's like a big-name comic.

Speaker 19 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 12 He's like Seinfeld. That kind of sucks.
He cucked your name? Yeah, but Tommy Pope's a strong name.

Speaker 5 Tommy Pope rules.

Speaker 1 He is. Yeah.
I'm big.

Speaker 2 Were your parents mad when you had to change it?

Speaker 8 No. My dad gave me shit.

Speaker 8 My mom still doesn't even know what I do, really. Yeah.

Speaker 2 She doesn't even know you changed your name.

Speaker 8 The only thing she's ever complimented me on was getting on fucking Law and Order of all the shit I've done.

Speaker 1 What did you play in Law and Order?

Speaker 8 You're either a rapist or you stop a rapist.

Speaker 5 Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Which one did you change?

Speaker 2 Stop

Speaker 8 my Indian wife from getting raped.

Speaker 1 Hell yeah. I'm a goddamn hero.
Oh, yes.

Speaker 5 That's my dream, actually, is to play the guy in Law and Order that finds a body at the start of the episode. Yeah.
It's like five seconds and behind a dumpster. What the hell?

Speaker 5 You're going for a jog or something? Yeah.

Speaker 13 What's this? That's what I was.

Speaker 8 I was in the very, I was in the intro, intro only.

Speaker 1 That's it? Yeah.

Speaker 8 I said, yeah.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 8 I will say, that episode.

Speaker 1 That's a wild, cold open.

Speaker 12 Someone's trying to rape your wife.

Speaker 1 Dude, they run out of ideas.

Speaker 19 I don't know if you've ever seen Law and Order.

Speaker 1 long. And then you're just never on it again.

Speaker 8 But that episode gets watched a lot. Not because of me, but it's like the actual episode itself is pretty good, apparently.

Speaker 1 So you get a nice residual?

Speaker 8 I mean, the fact that I get residuals quarterly is hilarious.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what is that?

Speaker 11 Like 10 years ago.

Speaker 1 What's the check?

Speaker 8 I get like 10 grand every three weeks. No.

Speaker 1 You motherfucker.

Speaker 8 No, it's like a few hundred bucks.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Do they pay more if you're a rapist or if you're a guy that stops?

Speaker 10 Great question. I'm going to call my agent.

Speaker 8 There should definitely be like hazard pay if you get the the rapist position yeah they pay you double yeah that's going to be on your restaurant somebody recognizes your fucking pig yeah exactly yeah because all these dumb fucking drunk housewives really don't they don't understand it's a fake show yeah i fucking recognize you you raped somebody

Speaker 5 they hired that rapist to be in a tv show on netflix

Speaker 12 i still kind of hate joaquin phoenix from the gladiator Really?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Russell Crowe. Yeah.

Speaker 12 I hated his character when I was like, again, I was like nine years old, and I hated him so so much. It's probably

Speaker 1 a pilot.

Speaker 12 Even when he's in movies now, I'm like, I don't like this guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, that's true. When he hurt like a villain guy.

Speaker 8 He doesn't have a redeeming character arc, right?

Speaker 1 In any movie?

Speaker 1 Signs, kind of.

Speaker 13 I never saw that.

Speaker 1 Emma Shyamalan. Yeah.

Speaker 5 He played Johnny Cash.

Speaker 1 He played Johnny Cash.

Speaker 12 He was great in that.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's great. I never saw Corrector.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I fucking love that dude. He's an awesome actor.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 that is funny because it does stick in your head if you see someone like a bad guy in one movie. You're like, like, fuck that guy.

Speaker 8 Well,

Speaker 8 you got to be typecast when you have that villain look. He has such a fucking look.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he does.

Speaker 8 You can't be an everyday guy

Speaker 11 making a woman swoon.

Speaker 1 How was it? He was in her.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure. Fucking a robot.

Speaker 21 I fell for that guy.

Speaker 1 That really tugged at the heartstrings.

Speaker 1 So how, in terms of acting, how was it acting on tires? Were there ever moments where you're like, fuck, I'm not like up to everyone else's standard here? Yeah, the whole time.

Speaker 12 Okay. Yeah, the entire time.

Speaker 1 You're just like, how many? Do you guys do a lot of takes? No.

Speaker 2 I love that.

Speaker 1 I feel like it wouldn't be a big take show.

Speaker 8 Well, the show is about Chain, so like, and also his genius is just like improving. So, like,

Speaker 8 once you just watch him go off, kind of,

Speaker 8 there's other characters that are just like just line items to get the story pushing. Yeah.
There's not really much room for.

Speaker 12 And there was just the thing where that,

Speaker 12 those episodes were shot on like a pretty insanely tight schedule.

Speaker 1 Yeah, really.

Speaker 21 So, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, they were moving.

Speaker 8 Yeah, McKeever's genius is trying to keep everything fucking, you know. You have deadlines for like where are we at at this time? How much do we get shot?

Speaker 8 And you have a shot schedule every morning going, this shot's getting done by, you know, 11 a.m. We got to, after lunch, we got to get this next shot done by 12:30, 4.

Speaker 1 You know, our guy Francis is in it. Oh, he is? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Stopi's in it.

Speaker 12 He's fantastic, too. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Francis Rules, great dramatic actor. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Are there any like legendary stand-up comedians, really, really talented stand-up comedians that just can't act? Is it like a totally different skill set all the time?

Speaker 19 1 million percent. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm not going to say name, but yes, they're objectively

Speaker 5 bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 8 It does feel weird that I'll tell you off air

Speaker 8 who I've seen do stuff and it's like woof.

Speaker 12 But I do feel it goes.

Speaker 12 In the opposite direction more. Like, like, I feel like comedians become serious, like, really good serious actors more than a serious actor becomes agreed.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 12 Outside of Jeff Daniels.

Speaker 1 1 million percent.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
Wait, Jeff Daniels was

Speaker 8 serious. We're watching it right now.
We just started re-watching it the year.

Speaker 12 He's in a bunch of like series.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, no, I know. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 He's also in like dumb and dumb. Oh, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 10 Yeah, but you're in the city.

Speaker 1 What's it called?

Speaker 21 Godless. Godless.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Seen him in Godless? No.

Speaker 8 Dude, he's so fucking good.

Speaker 1 He's a great actor. Yeah.

Speaker 8 But yeah, there's a ton. It's more like exactly how he put it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. yeah,

Speaker 8 you can take them off stage. You're like, you can't act unless it's them.

Speaker 1 A lot of those guys

Speaker 1 so successfully play themselves.

Speaker 8 Yes, yeah, yes, or some version of themselves.

Speaker 11 Then it worked. That's a great point.

Speaker 4 That is the dream.

Speaker 5 That would also be so embarrassing, though, if you sucked at playing yourself.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 19 The red light comes on.

Speaker 1 You just, yeah, you're like, I don't know. I can't do this.

Speaker 1 Gotta be like, yeah, you're like, be sad. I'm capable of doing that.
I'm sad right now.

Speaker 16 It's like, do what you do. You're like,

Speaker 12 what do I do? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That is like, I mean, we get, what do you think I am? At first, bars, we get

Speaker 1 tell me what I am.

Speaker 1 Help. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a sect of mine.

Speaker 12 Give me some stuff of mine I can watch to be me.

Speaker 1 There's a sect of our fans that think that

Speaker 1 everyone in this fun factory is like acting. It's like, do you know how hard that would be? Yeah.

Speaker 17 We have the weirdest people.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like they're all themselves. Yeah, you'd be making, yeah, you'd be making blockbuster movies.

Speaker 12 Yeah, right? Best movies of all time.

Speaker 8 They also just don't know how much content

Speaker 8 is required to get the good stuff. Right.

Speaker 1 Yo, we're taping all the time. Dude, yeah, we'd be here four fucking hours.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 8 You're going to see 45 minutes of stuff. Yeah.
It's like, do that for eight hours a day?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think something funny will happen.
You're going to see the full four hours.

Speaker 1 Gosh.

Speaker 12 You better brace yourself.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Cut the basketball for that fucking.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 1 your anger came out. So what, so you guys, part of your relationship and why the podcast works, you guys bicker all the time.
You told me a story about the chicken nuggets.

Speaker 1 What's the other biggest fight you guys have been in? Because I just love the fact that you guys bicker.

Speaker 1 And then I think the best part about what you guys have going is that you bicker and you know that you're not holding it like to the next day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because that's it's not fun if it was anger that stayed. Yeah, people be like, I don't want to watch this.

Speaker 1 It's very funny when it's like a hundred, like zero to a hundred anger and then right back to zero.

Speaker 12 Well, the funny thing is that if you do bring it up again, we get mad again.

Speaker 1 So what

Speaker 12 the chicken finger thing came up again, I like, yeah, we were both upset.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 what's another one that like had just like pissed you guys off?

Speaker 8 Dude, I think it's just like, you know, it's a husband-wife relationship, especially when you're living together.

Speaker 2 Who's the husband?

Speaker 1 Don't you starve.

Speaker 1 I mean, I have my idea of who the husband is.

Speaker 4 You guys want to see the money?

Speaker 8 He would be the husband because I'm caretaker. Okay.
I know what you're going to say.

Speaker 2 No, no. That wasn't what I was going to say.

Speaker 8 Okay, what are you going to say?

Speaker 12 That is the best way to start.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, Chris is the husband because he fucks you in the ass all me. Oh.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 I wish there was a payoff for the hell we go through.

Speaker 1 I wish

Speaker 1 you bopped a payoff. I wish he bopped around.
You played sports all day.

Speaker 8 I meant sexually.

Speaker 1 Oh. Bopping around my prostate.
There isn't?

Speaker 12 Never coming on your belly thinking of me.

Speaker 1 Well, you just ruined that.

Speaker 1 Have you guys ever kissed?

Speaker 12 No.

Speaker 1 No. We kissed.
You want to try it now? No, I don't.

Speaker 5 Every year on our birthday.

Speaker 1 We get all of our guests to kiss.

Speaker 8 Every year on your birthday, you guys kiss?

Speaker 5 He He was born on January 30th. That was January 31st, same year.

Speaker 5 Passing of the torch. Birthday.

Speaker 11 Birthday kiss. I like that.

Speaker 1 Now, why did you kill you? You haven't thought about kissing your cousins? What? Straight lips.

Speaker 5 It's honestly kind of weird if you haven't thought about kissing each other.

Speaker 1 No, I'm repulsed. What do you mean, thought about it?

Speaker 12 This is like when people ask you to think about suicide.

Speaker 5 It's like, well, yeah.

Speaker 22 Of course.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Thought about it. Well, yeah,

Speaker 12 never thought about it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. I've...

Speaker 8 Yeah. My brother asked me that in sixth grade.

Speaker 12 There's a lot of things I fancy.

Speaker 8 He was in eighth grade. He asked me if he's like, What do you mean you don't think about suicide? I was like, What?

Speaker 8 I was like, How? Why would you think about suicide? Then you get older, you're like, I've thought about 20 different ways I'd kill myself.

Speaker 10 Yeah, you're not making a plan, but no, just like

Speaker 1 you also should be the highest grade. It's like standing on top of a high building and being like, What have I jumped? Dude,

Speaker 1 it doesn't have that ultimate, would you rather? And I kind of want to do it that way.

Speaker 12 Would you rather continue on with this charade?

Speaker 1 The ultimate nap. Unplugged.

Speaker 10 Finally get rest.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You see a cop in line in a donut shop and you're like, what if I scrap? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 12 100%.

Speaker 1 This would be sick. The imp of the perverse.

Speaker 8 No, to be honest, to go back to that question,

Speaker 8 it was a perfect storm at that moment. I mean, we still bicker about everything, but like the perfect storm of living together.
Right.

Speaker 8 Then you're getting into like lifestyle differences. Then you're getting into, there's so many elements of pressure, like work or like fucking stand-up.
And then you just, all that shit just builds.

Speaker 8 It's a pressure cooker. And eventually something's going to pop off.
Whether it's about a fucking chicken finger, it's really not. It's about frustrations around life.
Right. Yeah.

Speaker 8 And if you're only around one dude the whole fucking time, that person's going to get it. It's why you and your girlfriend always fight about.

Speaker 8 It'll be fucking Chardonnay, but it's not about Chardonnay. It's about your breath while you were fucking three years ago.

Speaker 1 It could be anything.

Speaker 11 It could be absolutely anything.

Speaker 8 And I think a healthy relationship requires a bunch of that shit.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So has the podcast gotten better since you guys moved out from each other?

Speaker 8 No, I think it's pretty much the same. Same? Yeah.
Yeah. We see.
Do you guys miss it?

Speaker 1 The like living together? Because that is obviously like having that moment where you're like, oh man, I think you miss living with my guy.

Speaker 12 I think I just miss being held accountable. Because a lot of times, you know what I mean? You like think you're changing your life, but nothing's really changed.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 So on the pod, you're like, I'm doing this now. And when you're living together, the other person can go, no, you aren't.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 You are 100% not doing that. Yeah.
I see it every day.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 I mean, when you're living apart, you can be like, no, I've been at the gym every day, 9 a.m. and cleaning now.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. Yeah.
You're like, no, I see.

Speaker 8 No, but the missing thing is like we see enough of each other. If it was just a podcast and then I didn't see them.
It's like we are best friends.

Speaker 8 So it's like we go, we see each other almost every day anyway. Yeah.
So it's nice having the break. Nice having a.

Speaker 12 There's also the weird thing. I don't know if you guys run into this where it's like when you're not talking on microphones now, you're like, don't talk to me.

Speaker 1 Don't talk to me. Yeah, no, yeah.
Save it for

Speaker 1 the show.

Speaker 12 Don't tell me a hilarious thing that

Speaker 12 it's not. Oh, always.

Speaker 19 I mean, monetize it.

Speaker 1 The thing is,

Speaker 5 we stream so much now, we're like, we're watching the games, and we're usually on some sort of a live stream.

Speaker 5 So when that happens, you can't like, you can't save anything that you want to say at the time. Of course.

Speaker 1 You have to, like, yeah.

Speaker 8 I mean, yeah, the difference between how intimate and cool this show is right now than having a panel of eight dudes talking about what they did last week.

Speaker 8 I'd rather get all this shit off my chest about how we bicker. Yeah.
You know what I mean? Having something intimate and like tell a story.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 8 As opposed to live streams, tough. That's like a, that's a, that's hard.

Speaker 1 Yeah, live streams are tough. That is hard.
And we do that all Sunday, too, for like football games and stuff. Crazy, dude.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So what we do is typically if it's within like 10 minutes of the show and we're talking, we're talking about the games, games, if we start to like hit something that we get excited about, we're like, okay, let's just stop.

Speaker 11 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Save it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, save all this.

Speaker 1 Do you guys get also the weird one that we get is like whenever you're anywhere, they're like, hey, where's PFT? Like I was, I was,

Speaker 1 I was in France on vacation with my wife, and a guy was like, hey, where's PFT?

Speaker 11 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, what do you, yeah, I'm in fucking France on vacation.

Speaker 1 Like, people in their head are like, they're just always. You can get him a room?

Speaker 1 What the fuck? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Then you stop and think and a teardrop.

Speaker 1 Where is CRT?

Speaker 7 You start FaceTime like, where is he?

Speaker 1 He's home alone.

Speaker 5 He snaps up like Catherine O'Hara.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 5 I get that in bars sometimes. If it's like midnight or later, they'll be like, Where's Big Cat? I was like, He's probably with his children.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 I've been asleep since 10 o'clock. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I got to get up at 6 in the morning.

Speaker 12 It's also funny that, like, when you do talk, it winds up just being about stuff you can't say. Yeah.

Speaker 12 And so then it's just this dark

Speaker 8 three minutes of the N-word.

Speaker 7 Just the part. What do you want? I kicked a toaster by accident.

Speaker 12 Fucking furious. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What are you doing, you stubborn dope?

Speaker 1 It's awesome for you guys.

Speaker 1 It's cool to see the success. And like, yeah, I mean, doing a podcast with one of your best friends is like, it's fun.

Speaker 2 It's a fucking dream job.

Speaker 1 Awesome. We get to do this every day.
Yeah. It's a joke.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 8 But it is a talent, I will say, like, going through it, it's a lot of work.

Speaker 1 I still have imposter syndrome all the time where I'm like,

Speaker 10 am I interesting? Oh, good.

Speaker 7 You should have

Speaker 1 recently. I'm like, I'm not interesting.
I just got lucky. Yeah.
Yeah. Like, I got lucky time and place, like, everything fell together.
Yeah. Because I'm like,

Speaker 1 I'll listen to myself back.

Speaker 2 I'm like, you're a fucking moron.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 8 But it is corny as hell when people like reach out to you saying, like, you literally make my life better.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, the best.
Those are the best.

Speaker 8 That's pretty cool. You didn't kill yourself? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Nice. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Chalk that one up on the wall.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you wanted to hear what we had to say about the Bengals versus the Texans? Cool. Yeah.
That's awesome.

Speaker 1 It kept you for another day on this earth.

Speaker 12 You still wind up just going like, man, I should probably start taking this more seriously.

Speaker 12 I didn't realize I was saving lives out there.

Speaker 5 Do you guys prep for your shows?

Speaker 2 No. Never.

Speaker 5 You just sit down. Yeah.

Speaker 8 There's never even a conversation about it.

Speaker 5 Really? You just sit down, press record. Record.

Speaker 11 Let's go.

Speaker 8 And it's usually Chris going, he hits record on the box and goes, all right. And then we start talking.

Speaker 12 I don't know. I feel like anytime you prep, it winds up coming out

Speaker 1 inauthentic.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, feeling prepped. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Or you wind up getting mad because you had and I prepped a thing and then you say it and the conversation doesn't set you up the way you want it to be set up.

Speaker 8 Even if you internally prep, it's like, I'll always forget the story that happened. Like on the road or something, like

Speaker 8 that guy falling asleep on the toilet in Cleveland.

Speaker 11 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, oh, at the very end of the podcast.

Speaker 8 Like, even when you have a chunk to burn, this will be 10 minutes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 funny as fuck.

Speaker 12 Do you think it would just start like that?

Speaker 8 He's like, no, you just start with normal.

Speaker 1 And it's better when it comes up to the ooh moment. Yeah, but I always forget.

Speaker 8 And then you just go, ah, fuck. And then you just never say it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right, I had one last question.

Speaker 1 Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 2 All right, so this has been awesome.

Speaker 1 Everyone, go check out Stuff Island. They're on the road.
Yeah, I don't know when we're going to air this, but you can go check out their dates.

Speaker 1 I think they're doing you guys doing an East Coast swing soon. Yeah,

Speaker 12 the next week. New York.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Connecticut. 29th through the 6th.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Albany, Boston, Providence,

Speaker 12 Portland, yeah, and then we're going west.

Speaker 1 And then watch tires. Everyone's going to watch tires.
Yeah, that's

Speaker 1 so. I guess that's my last question.
Like, I feel like this show is going to be a monster, monster hit.

Speaker 2 Do you, have you guys had that date circled? Like, oh, shit, when this date happens,

Speaker 1 now things might be a little different.

Speaker 8 It's funny. Somebody asked Chris that on the on this, well, asked both of us when we do the dual mic on the on our set.

Speaker 8 So we do it our shows, there's stand up for both of us, and then then we come out and dual mics. And then we just, at the end, we're like, you got any questions for us?

Speaker 8 And one kid asked that, he was like, do you, do you foresee like a dramatic life change? Are you excited for the 23rd? And it's like, I don't know. I'll speak for myself.

Speaker 8 It's like, oh, it's another thing. It's another thing.
But it might be.

Speaker 4 I'm not ready for the thought process yet.

Speaker 8 It's like, you know, read into the turf. I'm trying not to read into the turf situation.

Speaker 1 You're thinking about it. Yeah, hopefully,

Speaker 8 prepare yourself for suicide.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it is crazy to think about that it could be, like, that could be a moment where you look back 10 years from now, you're like, for sure. That was the change right there.

Speaker 12 I think you wind up also just like being concerned about other things. You're like,

Speaker 12 stand-up and is the podcast good? And you're like, it would suck if this thing popped off and then we sucked at the other stuff that you want to be good at.

Speaker 12 Yeah, there's

Speaker 12 some attention and then everyone's like, man, their stand-up sucks.

Speaker 1 Yeah. This guy's

Speaker 1 trampoline jump wasn't even that high.

Speaker 1 That is the worst feeling, being like, if more people find out, those might be the people that are going to hate me. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe everybody.

Speaker 1 I'm waiting for that too. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Like the show to totally take off, and everyone be like, but that one guy fucking hate me.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking about it. Like, that is.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
That will happen. You never know.
No, that won't happen.

Speaker 10 They'll be killed off. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Still have to hang out with your best friend.

Speaker 12 First episode of season two is just slip and fall. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Shane runs you over with a car.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 5 Philioto. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, thanks, boys.

Speaker 13 Yeah, appreciate you stopping by.

Speaker 1 Yeah, great.

Speaker 2 Thanks for having us.

Speaker 2 You guys are going to do some cooking with Donnie tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you can check out what's for lunch. You guys have a great cooking show as well.
Yeah, look at the look at this.

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah. Check out the Patreon.

Speaker 8 Yeah, go to patreon.com/slash stuff filing. Oh, I should have said the Patreon.

Speaker 1 How much are we making off the Patreon? Don't worry, doing good. We are doing good.
Tell me how much we're doing a lot. Every cent helps.

Speaker 1 How much are we making?

Speaker 8 We're doing all right. I can't tell you that.

Speaker 1 Is it public?

Speaker 12 Yeah, it is public. The number?

Speaker 12 No, that's okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, we work our dicks off.

Speaker 5 We're doing good.

Speaker 2 Everyone, subscribe to the Patreon show.

Speaker 8 It's $5 for four extra hours of our podcast. Love that.
$10 for four extra hours of the podcast, plus a shitload of cooking every month. Love that.
We're up to like 35 episodes of our cooking show.

Speaker 8 It's like an hour and a half between

Speaker 8 a half hour to an hour and a half of us showing you me showing you how to cook.

Speaker 1 Are you a trained chef?

Speaker 5 Are you like a trained cook, or is it just like learning how to do all?

Speaker 8 No, I learned, yeah, I'm self-trained.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we can tell. I can cook.

Speaker 12 I think that is kind of the beauty of the show. Yeah, is that it's it's plausible recipes.

Speaker 8 Yeah, yeah, we're just showing it's like elevated recipes that anybody can do. It's things you would never think you could possibly do.

Speaker 8 And I show you process, how to do it all, this is the simplistic process.

Speaker 1 What's your best dish? If we said we want one, I want to be like, hey, Tommy, if you give me a dish and it's the best I've ever had, I'll give you a million bucks.

Speaker 1 Dude,

Speaker 12 oh, I'm not going to lie,

Speaker 12 we didn't have an idea, and I was like, you should make General So's chicken, General Sow's chicken. And Tommy made it.
It was the best fucking General Cho's chicken.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 11 it was really good.

Speaker 12 It was fucking humble. I don't know if it's probably your favorite, but holy shit.

Speaker 8 I will say, like, in terms of dishes where

Speaker 8 ease of

Speaker 8 making it for anybody and

Speaker 8 the result being mind-blowing, it's like a short rib ragu or lamb shank ragu with risotto.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 Where like if you looked at that dish, you'd be like, I can't do this, dude. I don't even cook.
It's like, I'll show you exactly how to do that. It's a panty dropper.

Speaker 8 It's like a great date night cook. That is just

Speaker 8 one pot after you do all the prep, let it do its own own thing, and then fucking see what happens.

Speaker 5 Seems fancy. Short rib just seems fancy when you say that.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 I wonder how to shoot.

Speaker 8 You're just searing off meat, cooking it with a mirapois, and then putting it wine, beef broth, some herbs, putting the pot into the oven, letting it cook for four hours.

Speaker 1 I want this. I'm going to check it out.

Speaker 8 Dude, it's fucking incredible. I'll cook for you.

Speaker 13 The general shows.

Speaker 13 That amazes me.

Speaker 5 It's a power thing. I didn't know that you could cook it for a second.
I didn't think I just go into a Chinese restaurant.

Speaker 1 Only they have the machine.

Speaker 1 I know, yeah. It takes a proper walk, too.

Speaker 1 I got a walk on Amazon for 30 bucks um it was incredible it me up to be honest with the general because i kind of thought the same thing when we made it it would be either be exactly blah regular whatever or gelatin diet or worse make it with pure ingredients that like replace the dog yeah and filler that these chinese locations oh i do like msg though msg is i'm telling you you can buy that on your own yeah yeah you can buy a whole and that is easy to make yeah that was easy yeah it was crazy easy to make it's literally just rice and you like throw some chicken and flour basically all right so check out the patreon yeah thank you boys for stopping by appreciate it yeah good luck with tires thank you you i mean tommy this is probably the start of like an incredible career and chris everyone's gonna hate your character

Speaker 12 i shouldn't have put that into the universe

Speaker 1 so Y'all know that we're big fans of Cracker Barrel. And this holiday season, I will be sat at their table with a big plate of country fried turkey.

Speaker 3 And Brandon, I'll be right there with you. And I'll check it off my Christmas list in the country store while I'm at it.
It'll make a nice holiday tradition.

Speaker 4 Oh, that's so cute of you.

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Speaker 1 Hank, you want to start us off?

Speaker 11 Fire Fest?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 9 I'm going to be a big man here.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 1 Hank Lockwood. What has he ever done?

Speaker 9 I could not talk about it. I could run away.

Speaker 5 He slept in.

Speaker 1 I got banged.

Speaker 1 Oh, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 Hey, man.

Speaker 1 Hank, did you turn around and look back at it?

Speaker 9 As hard as of Ebbett and Hank.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh. By one of the big ones and kildo.

Speaker 9 By one of my own,

Speaker 9 Nick Fasoli. He works here.

Speaker 1 Camera guy. Eva.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I forgot about this clip.
This is my first time. Did we put this clip out?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, no, no.

Speaker 5 Because people will be lost if they don't know the clip.

Speaker 1 You fucking put the clip in.

Speaker 11 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Other people throwing away Big Cat and PFT.

Speaker 9 They would pull the fucking big dick card and cut everything and be like, we're not putting this out there.

Speaker 1 When have we ever done your dude? Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Henry Lockwood, Dan, you have literally George Brett, an entire career.

Speaker 19 George Brett, I was naked.

Speaker 1 They basically made it look like I was.

Speaker 16 Oh, you're comparing me being naked.

Speaker 10 Well, you're about to ask me when you've ever done it.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no, no. That was also

Speaker 5 seven years ago.

Speaker 16 And it was also, I was literally naked.

Speaker 1 You wanted to put that out? Fine, fucking.

Speaker 11 I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

Speaker 9 I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 You have made a living, a living, a great living.

Speaker 1 Drives naughty.

Speaker 1 Off

Speaker 1 taking bad pictures, bad angles, bad everything of me. No, yes, you just have bad

Speaker 1 looks. Okay, and I know you put them out.

Speaker 19 I'm like, all right, fine.

Speaker 10 But I don't do it intentionally.

Speaker 9 I can't believe you took a picture.

Speaker 1 He just tried to say me being naked by accidentally peeping

Speaker 1 tomming ourselves with a GoPro is the same as you sucking Nikki Smokes' dick.

Speaker 9 So we are in the gambling cave. We're talking.
I'm eating my lunch, and me and Nicky Smokes are arguing. He comes over to show me a clip, and Fasoli, camera guy, had the camera angled.

Speaker 5 He's much more than a camera guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's V.

Speaker 11 Not for long.

Speaker 1 He was angled perfectly where

Speaker 9 you couldn't see that I was eating the food. You could just see my mouth moving.
And Nikki Smokes was standing up over me, so my mouth and head was at his abdomen section.

Speaker 5 Not abdomen, a little bit lower.

Speaker 9 Whatever.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 9 it's a horrible-looking video. And then the second, this is why I got banged because it's like Fasoley with one of my guys bossing.
Well, you didn't get banged.

Speaker 5 You just got.

Speaker 16 No, he knew what he was doing.

Speaker 1 He knew what he was doing.

Speaker 1 The camera stopped rolling.

Speaker 9 He goes, oh, that's going to be a bad look for you. And I was like, what the hell, man?

Speaker 9 If you had literally just moved the camera two inches right, you would have seen the accurate portrayal of what was going on. But I'm not going to hide.
I'm just going to.

Speaker 1 Wait, but he couldn't have done that because

Speaker 2 you can't put you sucking his dick on the bank.

Speaker 9 Oh, that's not what I was doing.

Speaker 5 Hank, factor fiction. The video did numbers.

Speaker 13 It hasn't come out yet.

Speaker 5 It's definitely doing numbers.

Speaker 2 Are you a company guy?

Speaker 5 Head of content. I'm talking about it right now.

Speaker 9 A non-company guy, a fraud, would run away from it. I'm just going to embrace the numbers.
I'm just going to, you know, it is what it is. But

Speaker 9 it just hurts personally that one of my own guys did this to me because it was truly a bang job, the likes of which I've never seen before.

Speaker 9 I've never done something as bad to you guys as I got done in this scenario. It does.

Speaker 1 Factor fiction.

Speaker 5 It does put new meaning to head of content.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty sure I can find a ton of times you've done that.

Speaker 9 Not intentionally, not where I was like, I'm going to purposely set this video up to make you look as bad as humanly possible.

Speaker 9 You just happen to look bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't think that's true.

Speaker 5 It's great, great content. It might be my favorite video ever.

Speaker 2 It's crazy.

Speaker 5 Wait, you wipe your mouth at one point, you go back in for more.

Speaker 10 It's so, so good.

Speaker 1 Crazy. So, so good.

Speaker 11 It's a shocking, shockingly crazy video.

Speaker 9 And the worst part is, like, Fasoli literally could have taken one step to his right, and it would have been a completely different video. And he knew that, and that's what hurts.

Speaker 9 It's not the fire fist isn't that there's a video of me looking like I'm sucking Nicky Smoke's dick, it's that I got I got done dirty by someone that was formerly one of my guys

Speaker 1 well it sounds like it was good content, yeah, and that's but couldn't you make the argument that Fasoli was actually just doing his job to the most viva?

Speaker 1 No, yeah, he was no, we tried this is a funny clip that will our job is to to create moments that people want to watch and be like, oh my god, Hank just sucked Nicki Smoke's dick.

Speaker 13 Yeah, he did.

Speaker 5 Wait a second, big big cat. I remember there was a time in stool streams when we were playing ping pong.
Yeah. And I went to the corner to wipe off my glasses.
And I was facing the corner.

Speaker 5 And as I was wiping my glasses off, I think Hank put the camera on me from behind, made it look like I was jacking off, and then turned it into a gif.

Speaker 13 Interesting. Those are factor fiction.

Speaker 1 Those are fixed camera angles. Factor fiction.

Speaker 9 Those are factor fiction. Those are fixed camera angles.
You, as a participant, knew where the camera. Like, we didn't, I didn't.

Speaker 1 Ain't no fault. I rabbit.

Speaker 5 Hank did the same thing.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 11 It wasn't Johnny.

Speaker 1 It wasn't a handheld camera.

Speaker 9 It wasn't like I.

Speaker 9 It wasn't angled specifically.

Speaker 5 There was nothing that was handheld in that video.

Speaker 1 Either way, if you would like to see what it looks like for Hank to give head,

Speaker 1 yeah, watch Viva.

Speaker 2 Well, no, we put it in here.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Hank gives. It's actually a decent head.

Speaker 5 I think it was pretty good. We should get Joey and Pat on to rate the head.

Speaker 2 Decent head.

Speaker 1 The wipe in the mouth at the end. Yeah.
And it's just keeping that. That was courteous of you.
You don't want to have his cum all over your chin. You do spill a lot on your own chin.

Speaker 9 But yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 1 It's a significant thing.

Speaker 9 I embrace the content. I'm not going to run from it, and I'm just not going to go online for the weekend.

Speaker 5 It's what, like.

Speaker 2 And fire for solely.

Speaker 5 20, 30 seconds of Hank giving a blowjob? Yeah. Pip season.

Speaker 1 Yeah, actually, if you say the only critique I have is I would think Nikki Smokes would last longer.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Well, Hank's that good.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The GOAT. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You did actually get a little of the balls there, too, right?

Speaker 5 It's really good, Hank. It's a good good video.

Speaker 1 It's a great video. It's a great video.
It's tough.

Speaker 5 Okay, PFT. That's a good Fire Fest.
I'm not great for it.

Speaker 5 I've had a pretty clean weekend.

Speaker 9 Yeah, you run from all your shit.

Speaker 5 What do you mean I run from my shit? I don't know.

Speaker 2 You run towards everyone with your mouth open.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Hank's a first responder when it comes to giving blowjobs. He hears the sound of a horny guy and he runs towards the fire.
Oh, you got a hard dick?

Speaker 1 I got you.

Speaker 1 Probably, you probably. I mean, it's probably good protein to help dunk.

Speaker 5 That's a good point. Some extra protein.

Speaker 1 Whatever it takes.

Speaker 5 Good point.

Speaker 5 If you got your dick sucked more often, then maybe you'd be chiller. You wouldn't be so angry.

Speaker 2 He's a giver, not a taker.

Speaker 9 Also, documentary episode two is coming out.

Speaker 5 I touched the rim. Spoiler.

Speaker 1 Did you suck any of his dick? No. Okay.

Speaker 1 Then I'm not watching.

Speaker 21 That'll be out today as well.

Speaker 5 Do you think I can dunk by the time October comes around? It's just like, it is a different meaning to dunk. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Anything?

Speaker 9 Got any more?

Speaker 5 Empty the clip.

Speaker 1 No, that's it.

Speaker 5 Holiday week. Did you imagine that his penis was a lighthouse?

Speaker 9 Nope. Can someone make

Speaker 1 eating tacos? Can you make

Speaker 1 my fucking lunch?

Speaker 1 That's not easy.

Speaker 12 I was defending Rico Bosco eating tacos, and it's turning into...

Speaker 5 Meme, Hank. That's not what eating tacos is.

Speaker 9 Isn't gobbler.

Speaker 1 Memes, I don't think. Wait, is Nikki Smokes

Speaker 1 Latina?

Speaker 5 No, I don't think so. I don't think so either.

Speaker 1 So it wouldn't be tacos. Well,

Speaker 16 it's Leguini.

Speaker 1 It was Taco Tuesday.

Speaker 5 It implied taco is...

Speaker 1 Yeah, the opposite, I think.

Speaker 1 Memes, can you, you know, the old gif of Blake Bortles turning into a goat? Can you just make that, but it's Nancy Reagan turning into Hank? Yeah, like that.

Speaker 2 That's good.

Speaker 1 That's good.

Speaker 5 Maybe Photoshop his head onto Heather Brooke.

Speaker 4 That would be good, too.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. Oh, Hank, I love it.
Yeah, I mean, we don't even have to do another Firefest. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was great, Hank.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I probably should have said it on the show, show, but I'm not.

Speaker 1 No, you didn't. You're not running from it.
You're not running from it. You're not running from this content.
It's hard to run when you're on your knees.

Speaker 9 I wasn't on my knees. I was sitting.

Speaker 5 Maybe we'll get Bill Clinton on the show finally. Yeah.

Speaker 9 You'd love that.

Speaker 1 Would I? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm a big Bill Clinton guy.

Speaker 1 All right, so PFT, what is your Fire Fest?

Speaker 5 My Fire Fest, it's just in general

Speaker 5 for humanity, something to be on the lookout for.

Speaker 5 There's a recent trend that's starting to go viral, and I think it's going to happen more and more as the summer progresses.

Speaker 5 It started last night at the Rocket City Trash Pandas game.

Speaker 5 Rocket City Trash Pandas minor league baseball team, I believe they're Madison, Alabama, wore their hat, actually, the other day, ironically.

Speaker 5 They had crowd shots of guys catching cicadas and eating them in the stands. Oh, yeah.
Cicada season.

Speaker 5 And we're going to see more and more, I predict, this summer of just cicada catches people just grabbing a cicada and eating it on camera. What's one of those years, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, where did they want you to eat the bugs? This is the first step in eating the bugs is normalizing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, we will not eat the bugs, Hank.

Speaker 17 Every

Speaker 1 baby will eat. Every 14 years, Hank will be 17.

Speaker 2 We will not eat the bugs.

Speaker 1 Hank will eat anything. Hank, they're going to try to get us to eat the bugs.

Speaker 1 And they're going to say, oh, we don't have any more steak anymore, but we have the bugs.

Speaker 1 And we're all betas.

Speaker 5 I'm opposed to eating the bugs, but I will drink the bugs because there's a Chicago Malort Cicada shot. Yeah.
And I'm a big fan of Malort.

Speaker 5 Had it for the first time a couple years ago. Drank it several times last last summer.

Speaker 5 I'm going to have to drink the bugs in the Chicago Mallort shop.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I'm going to even drink the bugs. I will drink the male.
I don't want the government to have that over me. I won't eat them.
Swallow them like pills.

Speaker 9 Also, the spiders have come back to my.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Remember?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 on your balcony? No, they're holding you hostage.

Speaker 9 I want revenge, yeah. I'm actually scared.

Speaker 5 Well, they heard about you, and they're like, well, Hank, I shoot a lot of white stuff out of my abdomen.

Speaker 1 Maybe Hank will take care of me. Yeah, if the average person swallows eight spiders, how many think Hank does with that throat? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fucking insane.

Speaker 5 Do spiders have eight dicks?

Speaker 1 I don't know, but Hank can find out.

Speaker 5 Yeah, let us know. Sound off in the comments.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 17 All right, my firefighters.

Speaker 1 I actually texted you guys this.

Speaker 2 So my daughter's birthday was Tuesday. Went to Chuck E.

Speaker 1 Cheese.

Speaker 1 Was in the zone.

Speaker 1 Being a dad with my daughter, just having a great time.

Speaker 1 She speedrun the whole Chuck E. Cheese.

Speaker 1 I think we tried every single little ride toy everything uh in like maybe 15 minutes just going ripping through it all and then all of a sudden I have a woman who's like hey are you big cat I was like oh shit like this is weird Chuck E.

Speaker 1 Cheese I was like yeah and then she pulled her eight-year-old son she's like yeah my son recognized you and I was like oh And then the kid was like, yeah, my dad watches all your guys' stuff.

Speaker 1 So I saw you and I knew who you were.

Speaker 2 And then I was stuck in that moment.

Speaker 1 You know, when like when we see Stoolies out, it's awesome. They're the best fans in the world.

Speaker 1 But usually, you know, like, it's like, oh, hey, and then maybe a couple quick combo, who you on tonight, whatever. I like immediately went into, like,

Speaker 1 I was like, yeah, so like, what do you think about Caleb Williams to an eight-year-old? Yeah.

Speaker 10 And he was just like, yeah, I'm excited.

Speaker 1 I'm a Bears fan.

Speaker 2 And then I took a picture with him.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you can't say 90% of the stuff. And then you think to yourself, is this kid listening to my podcast?

Speaker 1 Yeah. So the whole thing was just had me rattled.
But we are. That's one eight-year-old that will grow up to be.
So shout out Rylan. Rylan.
Yeah. Big shout out.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hopefully his dad's watching right now. Love it.
Took a picture with him? Yeah. That's weird.
Yeah. Eight-year-old.
Oh, you know.

Speaker 5 You know, I just thought of, you remember the thing that we used to say that we don't say anymore?

Speaker 5 People are going to start saying that to Hank.

Speaker 1 Someone tried to say that to me when I was with my kids at a street festival on Saturday. Oh, that's a shame.

Speaker 1 Whispered in my ear, which I appreciated the whisper.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the whisper. But it also was like, what?

Speaker 5 But you know what I'm saying? Yeah. This one over here.
Because Hank sucks dick. It's going to come back.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, I mean,

Speaker 9 you're literally talking to an eight-year-old right now. No, we're not.

Speaker 1 No, I already ended up respect.

Speaker 2 Conversation ended with violence.

Speaker 1 Conversation ended with violence. Respect.

Speaker 1 When someone comes up to you and said, suck my dick. Are you going to be like, sure? No.

Speaker 9 So we don't say that anymore. Right.

Speaker 5 But some people might, it's going to be tough to know who's an AWL and who just saw you in this video because maybe it's just like a gay person that saw your work. Right.
And we can.

Speaker 5 And they just really want you to.

Speaker 9 Might have t-shirts made. I don't.

Speaker 5 My t-shirt about not sucking cave has a lot of people asking questions that are already answered by my t-shirt.

Speaker 1 And we don't say that anymore, but do we do that anymore? Yes.

Speaker 9 I mean, do whatever you want. Let your freak flag fly.
No, I'm saying.

Speaker 1 I'm not here to judge.

Speaker 9 I don't personally. I just tacos in the gambling cave, but you know, whatever floats your boat.

Speaker 2 Yeah, should we actually talk to HR?

Speaker 1 Hank was sucking someone off in the gambling cave in the cave in the middle of a Tuesday. Yeah.
That feels a little

Speaker 1 sexual harassment.

Speaker 1 From who? To all of us that had to watch you do that.

Speaker 9 All right, then why are you going to tweet it? That means you won't tweet it then? Because it's sexual harassment deal.

Speaker 5 No, because I believe in speaking truth to power, and I think that anything done like that should be brought to light.

Speaker 1 You've already brought it to light. Good.
You have.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 9 Solely has created this false narrative, and you guys are running with it.

Speaker 2 So Soli was just doing his job.

Speaker 7 Doing my job.

Speaker 8 That smile.

Speaker 1 God bless Vasilli. Memes, you got a fire fest?

Speaker 7 Fucking a man.

Speaker 4 But yes.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 5 Sucking a man. Sucking a man.

Speaker 1 Sucking a man. Yeah, dude.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I took a line drive to the foot in softball.

Speaker 21 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 What was that?

Speaker 1 He was doing a meme.

Speaker 5 He was trying to do a meme. He shows up.

Speaker 5 Sucking a man was right there for you, memes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 I was holding

Speaker 1 that one in. I took a lawn drive to the foot.

Speaker 1 Let us know when you're holding another one in because we don't want you to pass out.

Speaker 1 Fucking man. You're fucking a man.

Speaker 5 Also, Jake got shed on by a bird. That's good luck.
It's very good luck. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, you got hit by a line drive?

Speaker 2 Yeah, same thing.

Speaker 1 Why did you fucking catch it? Oh. On the foot? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Wait, yeah. Why did you catch it?

Speaker 1 I was basically standing on second.

Speaker 9 Oh, wait, so if you were sitting on second, why'd you get called out? Why did you jump?

Speaker 14 I tried moving my foot and it moved it into it.

Speaker 1 Reactionary. It moved.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You control your feet.

Speaker 14 Yeah,

Speaker 1 my brain moved it, and I got smoked by it.

Speaker 1 No, it hurts.

Speaker 14 And we lost. And we got smoked.

Speaker 1 Well, you and Max weren't there.

Speaker 11 I know.

Speaker 1 So you guys might be the key to winning. I think we are.
100%. Well, maybe more the Max part.

Speaker 9 I mean, I'm 2-0 on the mound.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but Max. I've seen you work on the mound.
You're a lot better than that.

Speaker 1 That doesn't even make sense. No, it does.

Speaker 4 It does.

Speaker 5 How do you know about the mound? Yeah. What mound? Mons pubis.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it makes no sense.

Speaker 1 I also want

Speaker 1 to

Speaker 9 have a better batting average, yeah.

Speaker 2 Than Max?

Speaker 1 I think so.

Speaker 9 Memes?

Speaker 2 How many balls in play? I don't.

Speaker 11 It's probably close.

Speaker 1 Bappet? Yeah, what's your bappet?

Speaker 1 What's your exit, V-Lo?

Speaker 5 Well, Hank hits a lot of triples. He's always on third base.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like that, Hank.

Speaker 9 I don't. I want you to say numbers.

Speaker 1 Numbers.

Speaker 5 20. Did you go deep?

Speaker 1 Max is not here, so 20 hitting would be the greatest thing ever.

Speaker 9 I should probably switch it up, huh?

Speaker 1 Actually, I should take a backup video so he can't think that this is edited.

Speaker 9 All right, we'll go 33.

Speaker 1 Look, I'm doing a backup video right here.

Speaker 5 Let me go eight.

Speaker 1 Okay. Three.

Speaker 1 Remember when Max never got this?

Speaker 14 I texted Pug to come in.

Speaker 5 Make sure to look look away, Big Cat.

Speaker 2 Come on, Pug.

Speaker 1 99, Pug.

Speaker 5 That wasn't actually Pug, but that's what he's going to say.

Speaker 1 Shane, Pug, numbers.

Speaker 1 99, Pug.

Speaker 1 He said 99, Pug.

Speaker 9 His mic was off.

Speaker 1 His mic was off.

Speaker 5 Shane. 21.

Speaker 1 21.

Speaker 8 Pug, say it again.

Speaker 9 Pug, you want to talk about what you want to talk about?

Speaker 8 He's got a... Oh, yeah, I I have something to ask of PFT and Big Cat.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 5 Not sure if they're going to say yes. It's pretty serious.

Speaker 1 Well, as long as it's not, you know, suck your dick, we'll be fine.

Speaker 5 No, in the old, in the New York office, we had something that brought everyone together, and it was good camaraderie. But we had a Blitz machine in the old office, and we don't have one here.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.
Okay. Yes.
No problem.

Speaker 1 What does it mean brought everyone together, just brought you together with the machine?

Speaker 4 The production guys. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Take a break. Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 Why are you nervous about asking that? We got to get NBA Jam, too.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Oh, big buck hunter.
Yeah, let's see. We got to get a fucking whole arcade.
Just bugging the best.

Speaker 5 Oh, a flight simulator.

Speaker 1 Let's get a whole arcade.

Speaker 21 Yeah, all of it.

Speaker 5 That's all rolled into one.

Speaker 1 Let's get VR goggles.

Speaker 2 You put them on, and Hank sucks your dick.

Speaker 2 All next time, Mr. Pears Cage.

Speaker 5 I'm going to have to make ai Hank.

Speaker 1 Everyone say their numbers again, just in case. 20.

Speaker 9 33.

Speaker 1 99.

Speaker 1 21.

Speaker 1 75.

Speaker 5 Love you guys.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I already said we'll see you on Tuesday.

Speaker 8 Love you guys. Come on, Harry.
We want to say goodnight to you.

Speaker 8 Don't keep away.

Speaker 8 I'm about to say that same

Speaker 8 way.

Speaker 8 Today is half the day to find you shine away.

Speaker 8 I'll be coming for your love of dreams.

Speaker 8 Take

Speaker 8 on

Speaker 8 me.

Speaker 8 Take me

Speaker 8 on.

Speaker 8 I'll be

Speaker 8 gone.

Speaker 8 Every

Speaker 8 of you

Speaker 8 to say

Speaker 8 I'm hard to set it,

Speaker 8 but I'll be still a little bit.

Speaker 8 Cause the other life is okay to say unto me

Speaker 8 it's the better to be safe than some

Speaker 8 take

Speaker 8 on me.

Speaker 8 Take me

Speaker 8 I'll be

Speaker 8 gone

Speaker 8 every day I'll do

Speaker 8 all the things that you say

Speaker 8 just blame my butt easily

Speaker 8 You are the things I've come to remember

Speaker 8 shy and away

Speaker 8 I'll be coming for you anyway

Speaker 8 Take

Speaker 8 on

Speaker 8 me

Speaker 8 take

Speaker 8 me

Speaker 8 off.

Speaker 8 I'll be

Speaker 8 gone

Speaker 8 with the earth.

Speaker 8 I'll be

Speaker 8 gone.