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On today's part of my take, we have some NBA talk with our good friend Rachel Nichols back on the show.

And then we have

two special guests in studio.

Chris O'Connor and Tommy Pope, comedians from Stuff Island.

Also, they're in the new Shane Gillis show,

Tires, out on Netflix now.

Just happened to work out that way.

Wasn't a promotional tour, but we talked about it, and it was an awesome interview with both them and Rachel.

We're going to talk some Celtics Game 2, Reversing the Curse.

We've got some hockey talk.

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Today is Friday, May 24th.

And Hank, congratulations.

NBA Finals.

Yeah, Hank.

Game two, easy.

No game two blues for the Celtics, for the city of Boston.

Ass kicking.

Jalen Brown.

Is Jalen Brown the guy?

He took it personally.

Hank actually says it.

So we taped Rachel Nichols in the afternoon, and Hank predicted it.

You can see it.

He said it all.

He was been saying for last day.

He was going to get upset about the fact that he wasn't on the all-NBA teams, and he was going to go off.

He scored 40.

Jalen Brown might be the guy.

I can definitely smell a narrative that's building.

There are going to be people that ask, like, is Jalen Brown really the leader of this team?

Is he the best player on this team?

And aside from the player efficiency ratings, scoring, field goal percentage, and defense, and dribbling with your loss.

Win shares, and all the other advanced stats, except except for all those, he is the best player on the team.

Yeah.

And Jalen Brown was incredible.

Jason Tatum was incredible.

Bad first quarter.

I love that thing.

I watched that game being like, oh, my God, he only has 12 points in the first plug.

He's doing so bad.

He's got four points.

I was joking with you.

You were so ready for it.

And then Jason showed up in the third and fourth quarter.

Yeah, when this got over 20.

Anthony Edwards didn't even score 20 points last night.

You probably weren't going to mention that.

I was going to mention that.

But yeah, it was a great game.

Jalen Brown, I knew it.

The second they announced the all-NBA teams.

People call the Celtics a super team.

They had one player on the all-NBA team.

Oh, you love that.

It's a snub.

It was absolutely a snub.

They were the best team in the league.

So, wait, are they a super team?

Clearly not.

How can you be a super team with one person on the all-NBA team?

He makes a good point.

He makes a good point.

They were the best team in the league.

Jalen Brown, all-star, super max, deserves it all.

Should have been at least third team.

Probably should have been second team.

Great defender, two-way player.

The second that got announced, I knew he was going to go off tonight.

I knew he was going to take it personally.

I say it later in the Rachel Nichols interview.

He's going to drop 40 piece.

And he did.

I think they're a super team, but not a super team.

Yeah, they're a fantastic team.

Yeah.

2-0.

Game two, curse reversed.

And yeah,

we're on to, I guess, Dallas.

I don't know.

It's probably earlier for that, but I do think that they're going to beat the Pacers.

The Pacers, who against...

a bold take.

No, I'm saying like

in game three, I think it might even be a sweep because Halliburton's probably not going to play.

Oh, Hal Burton.

He's got a hamstring, and

it's going to be tough to come back from a hamstring.

It's probably real, but I've also felt like Halliburton's injuries kind of pop up whenever they're down 20 points.

If that's the case, then they've got a better shot because I don't know who they're going to have playing defense.

Nimhard?

Is Nimhard going to play defense against Jalen Brown?

Yeah.

I mean, this is.

Nasmith, their best player is a former Celtic.

Yeah.

By the way,

you emptied the bench tonight, which I wish

Max is not here.

I know.

This is a great shot.

O'Shea Brissette.

O'Shea, can you see?

Had two points.

He has two more points in

the conference finals than Joel Mbiat.

That's right.

You mean this year?

No, all time.

Oh.

Did you FaceTime him?

Just tell him.

Just tell him that's that.

Because he'll just get upset.

But yeah, he's not here.

Hank, I have, yeah, this series is over, and I have another reason for why this series is over, Hank.

I don't know if you saw this story.

Are you FaceTiming Max?

By the way, we're also taping about to be in second overtime.

Connor McDavid could have won this game very easily.

If he could have scored the big one, then he could have won the big one.

All he had to do was not double-clutch that.

Just fucking put it in, dude.

Wasn't ready for the moment.

Oh, Max is.

Speaking of not ready for the moment.

Not ready for the moment.

He's not ready for the moment.

He's answered as many FaceTimes as Joel Embiid has points in the conference finals.

Yes, that's a fact.

Pip.

Pip.

Hank's putting everybody on a pip.

No, Hank.

The reason why this series is over

is after the game, Rick Carlisle

thanked the Boston police for escorting the Pacers team bus today,

cutting their commute down from 50 minutes.

Oh, go ahead.

Hey, Max.

Henry.

Hey, Henry Lockwood here, part of my take podcast.

Heard of it.

We're just doing the show.

We're talking about stats, and Dan Big Cat Cats, host, one of the co-hosts, one of the three co-hosts of part of my take,

brought up an interesting stat that we wanted to call you in and let you know that that o'shea brissette that's that stupid guy who has more points in conference finals points than joel and b yeah i saw it oh so so you so you did see it

i was literally looking at it at yes i saw it i was just looking at it and getting mad when you called you favored it did you retweet it no somebody tagged me and it was like hey big cat make sure you send this stat to max i don't give a fuck who's in the conference finals do you think that o'shea brissette clearly not the sixers do you think the sixers could

you think the build their team around O'Shea Brissette?

He can perform in the playoffs, deep into the playoffs.

He would be great.

He has more points than Joe Edbat.

With another, another.

That was Fleming.

That's early onset Fleming.

You had to sit another.

I said another.

What was 25, like 6-7?

He had 23 points.

Yeah.

If Joel and Biet had that stat line, people would be crucified.

In a win?

He did go one for seven from three.

He went to one for Philly Six in the first quarter.

Yeah, and he went nine for 20 from the field.

We were ready with these stats, Jason.

It's insane.

Yeah.

All right, Max.

It doesn't hit the same when they win.

No.

When they win impressively, it's tough.

All right.

So back to my stat, why this series is over.

Rick Carlisle, after the game, said that the Boston police, he thanked the Boston Police for escorting the Pacers team bus today, saying they cut down the commute from 50 minutes in game one to seven minutes today.

Do you think there's any

if the Boston Celtics or the Boston police thought the Pacers posed any type of threat, they would escort them and give them that type of treatment?

That is a full sign that they know this series is over because that's like a classic.

They could just be like, you know what, you find your way to the game.

We'll let you guys miss shoot around a little bit.

They don't even have to do those kind of tricks.

They just know it's over.

One thing I've learned about the Boston Police Department, they are very much involved in Boston sports.

There's that guy, that cop that's always like in Finway Park and Wright Center Field.

Yeah, that guy hangs down the slide.

The guy that went down the slide, which got to leave the internet somehow.

That had nothing to do with Boston sports.

Yeah, but still,

no one's got to say it.

The guy went down the slide.

It was all-time video.

And then there's always a cop that's basically in the Celtics team huddle on the sideline.

That cop's got the best job in the world.

Would you rely on play for the Celtics, though?

So maybe it was a respect.

Right, but would you agree with my assessment?

Like, if that, if this was a series, if they were playing the Lakers, if they were playing the Sixers, if they were playing the Knicks.

Are you bringing up the, there was a podcast about the LeBron Game 6 heat game.

No, I didn't see this.

Where like it was, I think it was

not Burn Man, Mike Miller, maybe.

Okay.

I think it was Mike Miller.

And Shane Badier talking about it, and he was like, LeBron was pissed because they like delayed our bus and it took us forever to shoot around.

So that's it, right?

Like, that's a game that you have to be like, all right, we might not be able to beat the heat.

This series is over.

On the other hand, if you're the police department, you're giving them an escort to the game.

I feel like seven minutes isn't even long enough for you to get comfortable in a bus.

Yeah.

You can't listen to your full pre-game playlist that you have for yourself.

True, you got to finish it in the locker room.

Hank, are you now...

So this series is over, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

They might lose one.

How are you feeling about this finals?

Because it really, in a weird way, it's just getting juicier and juicier.

Oh, yeah.

Well, it's like

everyone who says that the Celtics have played no one,

the Celtics don't win.

they're like, haha, I told you so.

And then you have the opposite where you can be like, fuck all of you.

You know, we beat the West.

We've steamrolled through the East.

Go fuck yourself.

Exactly.

Right.

Only play with who's in front of you.

I just don't.

I flip-flop.

I flip-flop back.

Yeah.

Just as long as it's not the nuggets.

Exactly.

Right.

Beating Kyrie would be nice, but then there's a little bit of scariness of like, could, you know, does he know the, you know, Jason and Jalen?

He was played with them when they were younger.

Does he know their secrets?

Could he, you know, could he stop using that against us?

Knows the secrets.

But also, if we beat the Mavericks, and then it would kind of shut you up with you're like, Luca Doncher's best player left in the playoffs.

He is.

That's just.

I know, but it would be nice to just be like, well, if he's the best player in the playoffs, why didn't he win?

Because he might not have the best team.

Right.

But

I never said that the best players always, the best player always wins.

I said the best player, people writing off.

If he was the best player, he'd still be MVP, probably.

No, but we're getting heavy.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're gaslighting me, and you're also taking out all of my everything I said out of context and trying to rearrange all my thoughts.

I didn't say he's, first of all, he wasn't the best, he's not the best player in the NBA.

I never said that.

I said he's the best player left in the playoffs with four teams left.

You took offense to that, by the way.

You took offense to that.

And then the best team, the best player doesn't mean necessarily they will win the championship.

I said the best player.

Yeah, no, I'm with Hank.

I disagree too.

Can Luca win the big one?

The best player, having the best player means that they should never be written off, which was what was happening with a lot of people being like, the Wolves and the Nuggets will beat the Mavs in five games, which I guess still could.

Back to your points, even though you just butchered everything I said.

No, I'm just

focused on the Western Conference.

I'm so focused, you're thinking about what I said three days ago.

No, I'm just thinking about what would be sweeter.

I think it'd be sweeter.

It'd be sweeter to beat Dallas Mavericks for the first time.

No, no,

there's many reasons.

It'd be way sweeter to beat Kyrie, but you're also afraid of Kyrie.

I'm a little bit more afraid of Kyrie than...

You have a healthy respect for Kyrie.

You're not afraid of Luca?

Of course.

Because Tatum's better than him.

Of course, I'm afraid of Luca, but.

I don't know.

We got the horses, man.

We got the horses.

You got the horses.

They are very...

So they're very good.

It's also when people bring up the Warriors team, and it's like we have Drew Holiday and Christoph Borzing.

It's like they were not on the team, and they're significant parts of this team.

And you will keep saying that.

And you will have the reverse where you will have the most experience, whereas you didn't against the Warriors.

So

ready to go.

You're still upset about the Luca.

I'm not upset.

Saying Luca.

So let's talk about this because I watching that game on Wednesday night, incredible game.

It was a little satisfying, even though I do have a future on the Wolves and I picked the Wolves in seven.

It was satisfying to watch Luca take over that game in the fourth quarter because people forgot about Luka and the Hanks of the world and the Wolves fans of the world think that if you say Luka Donczich is the best player left in the playoffs, you're saying Anthony Edwards or Jason Tatum sucks, which is not at all what I'm saying.

I'm just saying Luka Doncicz, what he did on Wednesday night, is why he's the best player left in the playoffs.

And what's crazy, not only was he scoring, he was playing defense.

I've never seen Luca play defense like that ever.

I don't think he has.

No, he has been playing a lot better defense.

But the defense that he played last night was incredible.

Yeah, I mean the lob pass he broke up basically won the game.

He was a legitimately great defender last night.

Yeah, no, he's been he's been that the the narrative that Luca and Windhorse said it even too, like the narrative that Luca sucks at defense.

He's not an elite defender, but he is a like a passable and sometimes above average defender now.

And everyone just assumes he's a traffic cone.

He won that game when he broke up that lob pass.

I don't assume he's a traffic cone.

No, I'm saying I just think that he was playing so good last night that he was like the reason why they won on defense.

And it was crazy to see.

Here's a fun stat, though.

Ready for this nugget?

This is, I think Phil Mackey says this.

Since 2011, in the NBA conference finals, teams that come off a game seven win versus teams that didn't play a game seven are 0-14 in game one.

So that trend continues.

Yes.

And that was the Pacers almost beat that.

Yeah, they almost bucked it.

Yeah.

If they had figured out how to cover Jalen Brown.

It was also Jason Kidd's, I believe, his first win ever in game one of a series.

Yeah, they don't usually win game ones.

Yeah.

But it was a great game in the fact the Mavs, if you had told the Mavs fan before this game that they would have hit six threes, six for 25 from three, and still won this game, they'd be like, what the hell just happened?

Well, what happened was Kyrie Irving took it personal when Anthony Edwards said he was going to guard him and torched him.

And Anthony Edwards looked like tired trying to stay in front of Kyrie Irving.

I know he wasn't always the one guarding him.

I I think he said it's going to be fun.

Yeah.

I'm looking forward to guarding him.

And Kyrie Irving said it afterwards.

He's like, yeah, I was sitting on my couch and he called me out and I was like, okay, sounds good.

Kyrie Irving was incredible in the first half.

Then Luca finishes it.

Kyrie Irving scores 24 points in the first half.

Luca scores 19 points in the second half.

The Mavs like 1-2 punch with the two of those guys.

And

it's crazy, but I feel like I've turned on Kyrie where I'm like, I'm kind of rooting for him.

He feels like he's he's enjoying basketball again.

He's enjoying being a teammate.

He's a good teammate.

And when he's playing like he's playing, it's hard not to be like, damn, this is so much fun to watch.

It's the eclipse.

The eclipse got to him.

It is weird.

Him and Bryson recently, it's like, wait, I'm rooting for this guy.

And then when Kyrie was sitting in with the TNT guys after the game, you could see how much fun he was having.

Oh, yeah.

And he was like a fun guy to talk to.

He was engaging.

He was like listening.

He was joking around.

I was like, oh, Kyrie seems, he seems normal.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Did he get normie-pilled?

I don't know what happened, but he maybe just got older.

Yeah.

Which is funny because he is 32.

So it's like, you know, he was 29 then.

Yeah, he was really young.

I still remember when he was on the Cavs, and they asked him one time, it was like, LeBron,

he's a father of three.

He's a great father.

Can you talk about how he is like as a father figure in the locker room?

And Kyrie's like, excuse what?

Yeah.

Like, are you saying that he's my dad?

Yeah.

And that environment that he was in in Cleveland was just so weird.

Yeah.

And then when he went out on his own, tried to find himself for the first time.

Yeah.

Discover his identity.

It took him a while, but he's here.

Took him a while.

He's here.

The Mavs are tough.

I also love what the Mavs are doing where they're just

splitting time with Gafford and Lively and basically getting like an elite center out of the two of them

because they just go balls to the wall when they're in the game.

And they combined finished for, oh, the Oilers just scored.

Look at that.

Connor McDavid off the hook.

There we go.

That was

bad.

I think it was Dry Seidel.

I don't know.

Bad.

Oh, it might have been McDavid.

I think it was McDavid.

It was McDavid.

Redemption.

Wow, that would be huge for him.

Because it was.

That miss was very bad.

Who scored there, memes?

Give it to us.

I don't think it was McDavid.

I got a notification that said McDavid.

Oh, it was McDavid.

It was McDavid.

It was McDavid.

We need to see a replay.

They're showing everyone, so it's kind of.

I was about to just say it's been the best year in Dallas sports in history.

It still has.

With the Rangers, the Mavericks going this far, the Stars.

ESPN put up a very, very insulting graphic.

Did you see that?

No.

It was years since last conference final.

And it was obviously the World Series, not conference, but league.

And it was Rangers, zero, Stars, zero.

Mavericks, zero.

Cowboys, 26.

That's awesome.

Yeah, it was a great graphic.

Yeah, it was McDavid.

Look at that.

Redemption.

It's good that he scored that because it would have been bad.

That was a bad miss.

You don't want to go to bed tonight thinking about that miss.

No.

No.

So the Oilers are up 1-0 in the series.

What were we talking about?

Oh,

yeah, the Mavs Centers are awesome.

They just go balls to the wall.

Hank, would you like to have an Anthony Edwards discussion?

I did write it down.

I did write it down.

We can have it.

Honestly,

the media, which we will get into with Rachel, has forced me to do this because

I realized it last night.

I like Anthony Edwards a lot.

I love him.

I'm a huge fan.

I enjoy watching him play.

I think he's a superstar.

But

when the media does this Jason Tatum narrative, then I have to watch these games and be like, where is it for him?

He's 19 points.

He was bad shooting night.

They lost the game.

Agreed.

Where is he?

I wrote it down.

I've got a lot of people talking.

He has not been playing.

He wasn't good in game seven either.

No, he was not.

He's not been playing great as of late.

He said, I want Kyrie.

That was like as dumb a thing as a

damn thing.

Really dumb thing to say.

Now, I do think that he, you know, there's a long series, but

this is where, like, whatever.

Every time we talk about Jason Tatum, I say he's incredible.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

So there's.

Talk it out.

We said that if he dominates the finals.

And he gets to the finals.

He does.

And he dominates in the finals, then we will be talking about Jason Tatum in the same breath as other top-tier, top-tier trials.

Tatum has been doing it for longer.

And I also say.

I think he broke the record for most playoff points scored in his first seven years ever.

I also say he's incredible every time we talk about him.

And I have him ranked higher than Anthony Edwards.

Now Hank is doing this.

He's making us do this because he's dug his heels in so hard on Tatum.

What you've done is you've forced us to name

Jason Tatum.

You forced us to, after every game, find stats to make you mad about Jason Tatum.

And it's not really you guys.

I want to make that clear.

In the first takes and the undisputed, where it's like you see the discussions they have, and you see, you know, and I probably follow too many Boston accounts, but it's like

Anthony Edwards after a loss, Jason Tatum after a win.

It's still negative about Jason Tatum and paused about Anthony Edwards.

Yeah, no, Anthony Edwards deserves criticism.

He called out Kyrie and then he got torched and he only scored 19 points.

Let's just end this Jason Tatum thing for one last time.

I have him ranked somewhere between the fourth and the sixth best player in the NBA.

What if he wins the NBA Finals and then dominates in the Olympics?

I'd probably have him third

over Luca.

Probably not.

If you ask trade, if you like call up and trade, probably not.

The reason why

the reason why the media likes Anthony Edwards so much and they don't like Jason Tatum, it seems like they don't like him as much.

Anthony Edwards is new.

So when somebody's new, we're like, oh, this is exciting.

The possibilities are limitless.

And then if Anthony Edwards spends the next four years not quite winning a championship, then people will talk about Anthony Edwards the same way they talk about Jason Tatum.

I also think

Anthony Edwards is the first guy in a while to go outwardly, spoken outwardly

against the

buddy-buddy banana boat era of the NBA.

But I think people don't realize there's a lot of new guys right now that are similar to Anthony Edwards Edwards that aren't buddy-buddy.

Like, I don't think Jason Tatum is very buddy buddy.

I don't think Luca is very buddy-buddy.

I don't think Jokic is very buddy-buddy.

SGA, like Brunson.

Do you think Brunson is like buddy-buddy?

Yeah.

All his Nova Boys.

Anthony, well, they're all on his team.

Anthony Edwards was the first guy to kind of say it.

So everyone's like, fuck, this is a breath of fresh air.

The other guys haven't said it, but I don't see the same like friendship.

It was always weird when, you know, LeBron and Chris Paul and Carmelo were like best friends, but also competing against each other.

Right.

You give them maybe five or six years, maybe they become buddy buddy.

Right.

That's kind of how this whole thing works.

Do they play on enough Olympic teams?

Yeah, the super teams are being phased out because the people that would make up the super teams are getting over the hill where they're not the young talent anymore.

Then the new talent is like, fuck you guys.

I'm going to go out and compete on my own.

They might one day decide to join forces.

If they get frustrated not winning a championship, they might...

team up with somebody.

Yeah.

That's how time works.

Anthony Edwards has not scored 20 points in four of his last six games.

That's not good enough.

Does that feel good, Hank?

You know what?

Did that feel good when I was a little bit of a fan?

I really have no axe to grind.

Say that sad again.

Anthony Edwards has not scored 20 points in four of his last six games.

That's not good enough.

I'm going to agree with Hank.

If Jason Tatum did that,

it would be lights out.

I would say that's not good enough.

I think I would be meaner.

I'd be meaner.

Well, I mean, the age thing does change it.

It does, and he's new, and he's exciting, and it's fun.

So we're going to talk about all the upsides.

First playoff series.

Second, third.

Fourth.

Play-in?

Fourth.

I don't count the play-in.

Fourth.

It's basically his first.

Do you feel good with me saying it's not good enough?

Yeah.

Okay.

That's not good enough.

The Wolves, I mean, Wolves fans know that's not good enough.

Now, Luca has to be the guy.

Now, Luca, on the other hand,

that's a great player.

Dude, he's awesome.

I know the ref thing.

I know people don't like it.

I think it's a little much as well.

But when he's just, when he's controlling everything

and getting to his spots and no one can stop him, it's so much fun to watch.

And he's yelling at his teammates.

And he does it in like a kind of slow-mo where it's just like,

but it's so smooth.

It's funny, like, if it's a quarterback that's yelling at his teammates, you're like, I like that leadership.

That's a field general.

Grabbed him by the face mask.

Luca gets in somebody's face and people are like,

why is he screaming at his friend?

Yeah.

It's really strange.

Also, shout out Luca.

Did you see the stat of the Super Max that he's eligible for after making all NBA?

Yeah, it's crazy.

$346 million in the Supermax.

Yeah, he's going to make a lot of money.

Yeah.

And then he's probably going to resign.

He's going to, at the end of it, he'll do another deal and make like $100 million a year.

Yeah, pretty good.

Yeah, he deserves it.

Okay.

So we had the Oilers win game one.

Memes, the Panthers win game one.

How you feeling?

Feeling great.

The Panthers absolutely dominated in MSG.

It was a sad showing by the Rangers.

Very funny memes tweet when

the Rangers scored an own goal.

And memes said, yeah, Rangers have scored their first goal of the Eastern Conference final.

Yeah, I saw that come across the board.

I was like, God damn it, memes, this is good.

It was the only thing to tweet right there.

You got hate in your heart.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Let it out.

And now Rangers fans are giving it back, too, which I love.

Wait, they're giving back to you or they're giving it back to me.

No, they're giving it back to me.

Okay.

Yeah, they said, I used to love you.

Now I fucking hate you.

All right.

Oh, okay.

Getting turned on.

They love you after your stand-up?

It's playoff time.

It's playoff time.

Hate has to go everywhere.

You have to be like, Rangers fans hate memes.

Hank hates anyone who says anything other than Jason Tatum's the greatest player ever.

All these hate.

This is reverse gaslighting.

You just reverse gaslighting.

You tried to reverse gaslight me.

No.

Max hates the lottery ball machine.

Yeah.

All these things.

Max hates.

What's his name?

O'Shea.

O'Shea Brissette.

O'Shea Brissette.

O'Shea Canyon.

Did you come up with that, Hank?

O'Shea Can You C.

Yeah.

That was you?

Fuck yes.

You're absolutely right, Boo.

Well, that's after

Donnie came up with Hoor for July.

Horford July rocked.

I'm thinking of shirts.

Our mercy was asking for shirts, and he scored.

I was like, O'Shea, can you see?

We'd sell one.

Kind of slaps.

I had a couple other things real quick before we go to our interviews.

Can either of you explain to me what's going on with Caitlin Clark?

Yeah, people are mad at Caitlin Clark, and then it's like two people that are mad at her, and then there's a lot of people that are mad at the people that are mad at her.

And then now there's people, the first people that were mad at her are now mad at the people that got mad at them for being mad at Caitlin Clark.

Okay, that makes sense.

That's where I feel like I've just seen a lot of people yelling about how

like it's crazy to hate Caitlin Clark and making it about race and all this stuff, but then I can't find the root source more than Jamel Hill or who else.

I don't know.

So I dove into it a little bit.

I think that anytime there's like a big cultural thing happening in sports, you'll get people that have to write a think piece about it.

Right.

And then they just think too much.

Right.

And then their thoughts, some of them are bad and they come out.

And then people latch on to the bad thoughts and get outraged.

And the people get outraged at the outrage.

And then now we don't know what's going on.

Okay.

So I'm happy that I've...

Not looked into this.

Here's the deal.

Caitlin Clark is a very good basketball player.

She has not won a game yet in the WNBA.

She's a rookie.

So now the takes are flying.

Got it.

But she also got them planes.

She kind of got them planes.

And white.

And she's white.

And she has pretty privilege.

Okay.

And she's a woman.

And she's a woman.

Playing in the WNBA.

She's a woman playing in the WNBA.

That irritates a lot of people.

I honestly encourage people not to.

The less you know about Catholic Clark Outrage, the better you'll be.

I've felt very good that I've just like, I know this thing is happening.

I'm not going to just, I'm not going to try to figure out why it's happening because it feels like a lot of people yelling at a lot of people, and it probably is nothing that Caitlin Clark cares about.

It's probably nothing that anyone of her teammates care about.

I don't, I just can't, I don't, it doesn't seem like a real thing.

It seems like people are just trying to find something to argue about for some reason.

I had to learn who somebody on the view was by reading about Caitlin Clark.

Yeah, that's how bad it's gotten.

How'd that go?

I don't know.

That's how you learn who's on the view is when people get mad at those people.

Hold on.

Hold on.

I want to say, is it...

Fuck.

Is no, not Barbara Walters.

Barbara Walters still alive?

I think she died.

Is she alive?

What's the woman who's Hocus Pocus?

Beyonce.

No.

Is that woman still alive?

Baby Goldberg.

No, no, no.

You know Hocus Pocus.

What the fuck is that one?

Joy Behar.

Is that her name?

That's one of the women from the View that I learned about because people know.

Hocus Pocus.

Is this the same?

There's Joy.

I know that.

There's

Bette Midler.

Whoopie.

No, I don't think she's on the view.

Shit.

Yeah.

Ah, she kind of looks like Joy.

Okay, that's probably what I would say.

I got that connection.

They got the same.

You would have been like, hey, gun to your head, Bette Midler on the View.

I'd have been like, yep, 100%.

Okay, I'm going through the list.

They look the same.

Whoopee.

I knew her from Eddie.

She was great in Eddie.

Joy, I learned about her because people got mad at her.

I don't know these next two.

And then Alyssa, I learned about her because people got mad at her.

Alyssa Farah Griffin?

Yeah.

Pick a name.

That's too many names.

And then Megan McCain was on there, and I learned about her because people got mad at her.

Anna Navarro.

Can I see a picture of these women?

Whoa.

Yeah, let me see a picture of these women.

Yeah, that is Bette Midler.

You could see the confusion.

I could definitely see the confusion.

But I swear to God, more people talk about the view because they're pissed off.

watching.

Give it 10%.

Can you vote for it, Pug?

Maybe get it to 9%.

And when is it on and where is it?

I don't know.

It's on TV, and people get mad.

17 seasons,

okay.

But yeah, so now that people are mad at their takes about Caitlin Clark, guess what they're going to talk about more?

Boar Caitlin Clark.

Boar Caitlin Clark.

And then the takes are going to get dumber and dumber, and pretty soon we'll all have brain damage.

It would be kind of funny if they don't win a game.

It would be, yeah.

I mean, I'm rooting for that.

That'd be very funny.

Discourse.

There was somebody that posted a video, and it was Caitlin Clark making a spectacular play, and the person was like, don't forget about the assist, though, from Aaliyah Boston.

And then that conversation happened about race.

That's really good.

And then I'm like, that's really good.

I love watching sports.

I say that all the time when I'm watching when I'm.

This is great ball.

Yeah.

When Saquon Barkley busts for a huge run this year and be like, but don't forget about Lane Johnson.

Yeah.

Please.

Well, when Saquon, when he goes for a big run, I'm always like, that was a great handoff from Daniel Jones.

Yeah.

Well, now.

Oh, that was the other thing.

Daniel Jones is allegedly pissed off.

Oh, no.

What is that like?

Be wary, guys.

Daniel Jones, you don't want to see him pissed off.

If there's a list, if we're ranking quarterbacks in the NFL of guys that you would least like to be pissed off

at you, I would say Daniel Jones is probably last among starters.

What do you think Daniel Jones does when he's pissed off?

Is it slam the garage door on the way out to work?

Is it

throw his

sweater vest

like really hard at his chair?

Slams his sweater vest.

Yeah.

I think he probably tells you that his dad's a lawyer.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's like.

Maybe cry.

He might cry.

I can't imagine him pissed off.

He might cry.

But he's pissed off.

So he's mad that they wanted Drake May.

I don't know why he's pissed off.

Let me see.

I just saw that he was pissed off.

I think that there was a story that came out that they were targeting Drake May.

The

Bill Murray in the bowling movie, it's late line.

Kingpin.

Kingpin.

Ooh.

That gift was built for a guy like Daniel Jones being pissed off.

We got Angry Daniel coming this year.

Oh, no.

All right.

A ticked-off Daniel Jones might be exactly what the Giants need.

He's got a chip on his shoulder after the Giants failed pursuit of a quarterback in this year's NFL draft.

That'd be a new injury.

Yeah.

But also, you didn't draft him.

Brock Purdy.

I could deal with Brock Purdy being pissed at me.

Yeah.

He knows how to work a tractor.

He's got a little bit of farm.

Yeah.

Country.

I wouldn't be upset if Russell Wilson was mad at me.

Yeah, Daniel Jones is going to cease and desist everyone.

Yeah.

That's all it's going to be.

I think I had.

Oh, the NCAA changed another thing.

I don't know.

I can't keep up.

So I think, so I read the headline.

I read a little bit of it as well.

The power conferences are getting together and deciding collectively to settle a lawsuit and saying, now we're going to start actually paying the players.

Correct.

Not just NIL, we're going to pay the players.

And retroactively.

Retroactively.

So this all goes back to Ed O'Bannon.

Ed O'Bannon from UCLA, I think he won that championship in 94, 95, one of those years.

Anyways, he sued the NCAA

about the name-image likeness thing.

That's why we haven't been able to play NCAA football.

That's why they took that off the shelves because they were were trying to figure out the whole NIL thing.

And

that one guy went up against the entire system and beat them.

And now the players are going to get paid.

Yeah, so the retro actually are going to get paid, and they also are going to get paid.

But here's the big thing, and

I'm sure there's many details that I'm missing, and we will have an expert on to explain it.

But

face value, I think I'm okay with this because I don't think that fans should have to fund these college programs.

Any more than they already do.

NIL, like, why the fuck are fans tasked with, like, hey, if you don't do NIL,

your team's going to suck.

And then your team, just your football program keeps making money.

And I get it.

There's other sports that are probably going to suffer.

Totally get it.

I'm just talking about football and basketball.

Those probably have to separate.

I understand that it's all complicated and everything.

But from the face value, why isn't if you keep showing to me that like the Big Ten and the SEC and the ACC keep signing billion-dollar TV rights deals,

why can't the players get a little of that?

That's, again, I've probably oversimplified it.

People will say I'm stupid not seeing it.

I don't know.

My take remains the same with all this stuff.

Get me to the finish line.

Just tell me when we're good with the new future of college sports.

Tell me when we're done with the conference realignment.

Tell me when we're done with figuring out the intricacies of paying the players.

Just tell me the end date and then I'll fucking pay attention.

Because I just want to start a new normal because as soon as we start it in a year, two years, three years, we'll be like, whatever.

We can't even remember how it used to go.

I just don't like the constant change.

Yo, guess what?

There's going to be more constant change in like the next five years.

But just tell us when we can get there.

Just give me the fucking finish line.

Yeah, so it's going to be teams can now pay, schools can pay players straight up, give them money.

Jeffrey Dockett tweeted this at me.

I want to credit him.

This is a great idea.

He said, imagine Harvard using their $36 billion

endowment to pay their football players more than the NFL.

The funniest outcome is Harvard having a payroll of $300 million a year to football players and dominating college football.

There is a salary cap.

That's the only problem with that.

Well, okay.

Minor detail.

Minor detail, Jeffrey Dockett missed.

Yeah, I think it's like $20 million each team can pay.

That probably makes sense.

Yeah.

It does make sense.

So I would be if, again, there's a lot of details I'm missing that we will have someone come explain.

Jay Billis.

If, not Jay Billis, agree to disagree on that one.

If it's $20 million,

every school, every Power Five school, because I don't know how it's going to work for everyone else, but every Power Five school gets $20 million and you can't pay any more,

I think that's actually a good thing.

Now, there's obviously still going to be NIL.

There's still going to be boosters, so it gets murky.

But on the face value, I think I'm okay with it.

I've also heard some people saying this is death of college football, as we know it.

I'm pretty sure

they'll figure out a way.

What's happened more?

It's going to be different.

What's happened more in the last five years?

The death of college football or World War III?

I was going to say Jimmy Carter dying.

Yeah.

World War III has happened a hundred times.

Yeah, the start of World War III for sure.

There's going to be some implications.

It's going to look different.

And I don't think anybody out there fully understands what it's going to look like in three years.

Excuse me then.

What all the changes are going to be.

But as I think one point that Jay did make when he was on the show, when he wasn't being disingenuous, was that if there are teams that are

able to pay players to a higher level than other teams, that doesn't necessarily mean that the second-level teams are going to suffer because of it because they'll concentrate more of their money on the guys that weren't quite good enough to get those very top-tier offers and get paid more money by the smaller schools that could afford to give a bigger percentage of them.

Also, you'd just be telling me, oh, so wait, Alabama's going to get a bunch of five-star recruits.

Yeah.

And

like the Wisconsin of the world are going to get two and three-star recruits.

Oh, so nothing changed?

Yeah.

Okay.

That's pretty much it.

Also, NIL, I think, is still

athletes are going to be doing advertisements.

Yeah, no, they are.

Yeah, so that's, it's going to be a little bit of both.

Pug, did you pull this up?

Did you do a little producing, Pug?

It was a

combination with memes, Pug.

Yeah, Charles Barkley.

That was the last thing.

I actually did have it written down, but good job, Pug and memes.

Charles Barkley said it sucks for all of us,

and he blamed his bosses for not wanting to get the NBA on TNT or keep the NBA on

TNT.

I did like that Charles Barkley said there's a chance he's just going to hire the guys to his,

what does he have?

His

production company, and then just sell inside the NBA to whoever gets the rights.

Charles Barkley, you'd be a hero for that.

There's also a chance that Charles doesn't have a production company yet.

And he just, he was thinking out loud when he said that.

And so then he just starts, he's like, actually, that's a good idea that I just said.

I'm going to do that.

Yeah.

But they should do that.

We need,

at very minimum, we need Kenny, Shaq, and charles together

ernie we'd like earnie we'd like ernie i i would like very much for him to be a part of whatever the next iteration is but i feel like he's going to stay a turner no matter what so we'll take what we can get this is this is if they if they don't save inside the nba i do think this is a miscalculation by the nba to think

that

this program doesn't have any effect on viewers and like the way that the nba is consumed someone put it perfectly like Adam Silver wants to try to find a way to make the NBA as popular as the NFL and make it mean as much as the NFL, not realizing that an 82-game season will always keep it from being as important as the NFL.

So instead, he's going to just do weird shit and gimmicky shit to try to like juice it up.

And it's like, dude, inside the NBA is more important to the NBA than the in-season tournament by a large margin.

Like those are not equal to to me.

Yeah.

In terms of the consumption of, like,

the culture around the sport, the way the sport's talked about, like, this is, it's entertainment.

These guys are a big part of the fabric of the NBA.

It's like, oh, yeah, we don't need it.

But if you're focused on the bottom line and, like, what you're looking at this year, if you're examining the NBA on a spreadsheet and you see in-season tournament ratings up, ticket sales up for those games, Adam Silver's going to be like, well, that did really well.

He's going to fall in love with that.

Of course.

But there's other things that go into the entire factor, the entire buzz around around the league that's definitely one of them i saw somebody uh i forget what main account it was but some main account tweeted out yesterday uh

if the nfl were to do an inside the uh nba type show before and after a game what would that look like who who would be on that desk it's like well they do every network tries to do it yeah no one knows nobody is as good i would watch Inside the NBA as a pregame for NFL games.

Yeah.

They don't even have to watch the games.

I just want like show the teams and then let Charles Barkley make fun of the Jets.

TNT got college football.

That's part of what he said on Dan Patrick.

He's like, they didn't have money for the NBA.

We got college football.

And I get maybe the NBA was overpriced and maybe it makes sense.

But I agree with you.

Like, I would watch this show.

Everyone tries to do this show.

The only people who have done this show successfully is TNT and Inside the NBA.

It really doesn't matter what the topic is.

Yeah.

I'll watch that group do anything.

Yeah.

So we're probably going to lose it.

Save it, Chuck.

Save it.

Okay, let's kick it to ourselves.

We got Rachel Nichols, and then we have a very funny interview with Chris O'Connor, Tommy Pope, two hilarious guys.

They're also in Shane Gillis's new show, Tires on Netflix.

Now, go watch it.

I'm going to binge it tonight.

And then reminder, we will have a show on Tuesday, and then a show on Friday next week.

We are also going to try to attempt the John Daly challenge on Monday night.

So Tuesday's show might be rough to listen to, but we will be back.

We have a huge interview Tuesday.

Big, big guest.

So everyone enjoy the long weekend.

We'll see you Tuesday.

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We'll have another one on Friday.

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Rachel, great to talk to you.

Great to have you back on.

NBA playoffs.

I actually wanted to start with a question which you might actually have more more insight in because you did an episode.

How are the Bulls doing?

No, not how the Bulls are doing.

They stink.

You did an episode of your show with these two guys, but I wanted to start with Luca and Kyrie.

And in talking to them,

because the Mavs obviously won game one,

what has changed with Kyrie and made him all of a sudden like the best teammate and a guy that I find myself rooting for again?

Totally, right?

Yeah, I mean, that's going to be the biggest biggest 180 in sports in terms of how people feel about him over the last three years.

It's crazy.

I think it's a bunch of different things.

So he's older, right?

I mean, we all get a little bit more mellow as we age.

And I think more perspective, some of the things that seem very important to us when we're younger, kind of were like, okay, I got it.

We're good.

So I think it's a little bit of that.

I think it's a little bit of location.

I mean, being in New York, especially, it's a lot being thrown at you every day.

And I'm not sure that that was the right situation for him.

So being in Dallas, where there's a little less media, it's a little looser, that kind of thing, I think has helped.

The biggest thing, though, is Jason Kidd, his relationship with Jason Kidd.

Kyrie Irving attended Jason Kidd's Hall of Fame induction, which shouldn't be a big deal because we have former players and, you know, our current players and former players attending other guys all the time, except that's at the invitation of the player, right?

Jason Kidd had no idea Kyrie was going to show up.

Didn't invite him.

No special arrangements for him.

Kyrie grew up watching Jason in New Jersey.

And he was like, yeah, I want to go.

Jason's my favorite player.

He's getting inducted to the Hall of Fame.

I want to go.

So that tells you the respect that's there and sort of the way that Kyrie feels about him.

So that when the Mavs were interested in him, Jason was a huge part of the sort of selling point on both sides.

And the relationship they have is so good because Jason is very careful in how he talks.

And I don't say careful, like it's practice, but like knows, he knows how to talk to Kyrie in terms of, hey, I respect you.

I respect your point of view.

If I didn't, I wouldn't mess with you.

But here's the times to say things and here are not.

And Kyrie had a great line to me about this.

He goes, I've learned not to touch the stove when it's hot.

And

I think that that's a good, you know, you don't have to say everything all the time.

You don't have to answer every question.

You don't have to make every belief you have public.

because this is letting him be who he is.

And Jason's big on, he doesn't have to be a robot.

Like, he's an artist, he's a this, he's a that.

Let him go do all of that stuff.

Respect that part of his life, but also focus on basketball.

And Kyrie's so settled in even more than last year.

He's such a leader in the locker room, which again, if you talk to people in the Brooklyn, they're going to be like, what the hell are you talking about?

But

he is 100% doing all the things that Luca at age 25.

He's capable of it, but he's not like pulling guys aside for like heart-to-hearts or giving them advice, you know, wise advice.

He's 25 years old, and he's kind of in the middle of all this stuff now.

So the fact that Kyrie has willingly stepped in to do all of that, the guys in that locker room love him.

Yeah.

It's really unbelievable.

That anecdote is great too because I saw after game one, Kyrie went on inside the NBA with the guys and he basically said that the therapy sessions that he said Jason Kidd had a lot of long talks with the team and sometimes it felt like therapy.

And when I heard that quote, I was like, that's weird because in today's NBA, it feels like coaches have less and and less power.

It is all player-driven.

Like, players are not going to sit and listen to their coach talk to them for hours and

hours on end.

So that all kind of makes sense.

Their relationship has let Kyrie be Kyrie.

Yeah, 100%.

And the respect is there.

I mean, Luca, when he came into the NBA, kind of famously said that he had never seen Jason play.

which, I mean, look, he started playing Fro Ball in Europe when he was 13 and Jason, you know, played a while ago.

But obviously he looked up the clips on YouTube.

He said,

he's like, yeah, he was pretty good.

I'm like, yeah, he really was.

So

I think for both of those guys, that he is literally a hall of famer, played with a style that's so engaging, right?

It was so much fun to watch him play.

I think he can say things to them that, frankly, a lot of these coaches today who came up more through the other side, they can't.

And you're never going to respect a guy as much as a guy who's not only done it at the level you've done it, but done it at a hall of fame level.

You feel like, I can take advice from him if you're Luke Doncic, as opposed to, who are you to tell me what to do?

You'll be gone in three years anyway.

It's interesting.

It's like sliding doors moment.

What if Steve Nash had been from New Jersey?

Would it all have been different?

Yeah, that's what it turned out like.

Wouldn't it be different if we were all from New Jersey?

It would be.

The world would be a much better place, I think, if everyone was from New Jersey.

Not you and me.

Come on.

Yeah, that's right.

We

DC.

I actually, we won't talk about the Wizards on the air because we'll just bore people to death with it.

Just say that I'm buying stock in the Wizards right now.

I like what they're doing.

But the

do you want to bore people?

Talk about the Wizards.

No, no, no.

I was going to say, I didn't know if we were going to talk capitals at all.

Oh, but we could really bore people.

Yeah, we could really bore people with that.

You're fresh.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

I'm buying stock in the football team.

Yeah, I will say that.

I'm super psyched about the season.

Me too.

So the other half of the combo, the two-person combo in Dallas, Luca, I was hoping that you would give us some insight because you do work around Skip Bayless sometimes.

I'm not sure how much face-to-face time you have with him.

He tweeted.

several times a week.

You're very lucky.

He tweeted out last night, Luka Doncich is one bad bleep bleeper.

So, what is bleep bleeper?

Because that's two cuss words.

I mean, it could be anything, right?

Shit fucker.

Bargain shopper.

Yeah.

I mean,

I think mother bleeper.

One bad bargain shopper.

Did he bleep out mother?

One bad

beady mover.

I don't know why he would bother.

I don't know what.

I don't know what the.

It could be anything.

Snake Charmer.

What's so great to watch about him is it feels like whenever one of them is off, the other person takes over and they kind of alternate.

Like sometimes Luca will be hot at the start of games, sometimes Kyrie at the end of games.

What's that, how has that relationship developed where they know, okay, who's taking shots now, who's hot, who's going to carry the team at this point?

Is that an ongoing conversation or is that something that's like evolved intentionally over the years?

That's the thing.

Yeah.

So when Kyrie first came in, they both really wanted it to work.

Like Luca hadn't had a partner in crime at that level.

Obviously, you know, he was frustrated that they got to the Western Conference finals and then that the season wasn't going well and all of that stuff.

So, you know, there's been a big push to keep Luca happy because you don't want a LeBron James in Cleveland the first time situation where he's just like, okay, I like it here, but if we can't win, I'm going somewhere else.

So they really want to make sure that his development keeps, you know, tracking up and his success keeps tracking up.

And they believe in him, obviously.

So it was a lot of who can we get at this level.

So So they both really wanted to make it work, but it was a little rocky at the beginning because they didn't know each other.

And that my turn, your turn, that actually happened more at the end of last season, where it was kind of like, okay, you go, and then I'll go.

And you can't win basketball games like that.

So it took a while for them to develop actual chemistry on the court.

And that's just reps, right?

Getting to know each other.

It took a while for them to get to actually know each other.

They're pretty different dudes with pretty different backgrounds and pretty different interests.

You know, Luca is a little more of a bro.

Kyrie is very cerebral in terms of, you know, everything is very analyzed.

But they have a lot of common ground too.

They both love the game.

They both love to win.

They've both been around enough that they can tell stories to each other.

And I think Luca really learned that Kyrie could do the parts of the job, both on the court and off the court, that he has always found just a little heavy and a little frustrating.

And Kyrie found a guy who can do the stuff off the court and frankly on the court that...

He kind of had been looking for.

I think if these guys came together and Kyrie was closer in age to Luca, if he was like 27, it just wouldn't have worked.

But Kyrie feels like I'm the elder statesman now.

I can be in this position.

And it's so fun to watch them grooving on the court.

They have so much, like, they both love each other's game.

And that's, you know, they put each other in great positions.

Yeah.

All right.

So the other half of that series, the Wolves, do you think

we, as media members, and I count myself here because we have, we love Anthony Edwards, love watching him play, but do you think we've maybe done him a little disservice with

the expectations and the hype?

Because it feels like these playoffs, we have speed run him through

like the media of like, oh, he's MJ.

Oh, and now he's somehow overrated, which was our ratings.

Like, we're the ones who rated him this.

Yeah.

We suggested him to him.

Yeah.

And now, I mean, look.

Yeah.

Go ahead.

He's so talented and he's such a personality.

We have not, frankly, had this kind of guy in a long time.

I was talking to someone from the league office today.

You know, the stars who are around 25, 26-year-old are a little more mild-mannered, right?

They're not talking trash when they know they're mic.

They're not calling out Kylie Irving after a game, which was unbelievable.

You know, they're not saying they should be starting, they should be doing this.

You know, he's such a great personality.

Ja Morant is spectacular, but obviously, there's a lot of parents who aren't sending their kids to be like, go with the guy, go emulate the guy with the guns.

So I think Ja is going to have a spectacular future.

And I actually think that he's a really fun guy to talk to.

And

I think he's going to be a success.

But Aunt, there's nothing not to love right now.

So I think that's part of it.

And then, yeah, the Young Jordan thing is real.

It's just the problem is that everyone took that to mean Jordan, right?

So the Young Jordan thing, right, was Kevin Garnett was doing a show with me.

And he's like, oh, he's, I love him.

He's great.

He's an 84 Jordan.

Right.

So he was one of the first to like really publicly make that.

And I was in the middle of the season.

And he was saying 84 Jordan.

And we were on the set with with a bunch of other guys and like Rondo was like dude he's not Michael Jordan and and and KG was like no no no like you know 84 Jordan 84 Jordan young young that guy's you know we're not KG's box that guy's nice

so I saw amp like two weeks later and I was like Kevin Garnett says you're like an 84 Jordan and he was like I like that 84 Jordan yeah that's me that's me That doesn't mean that Kevin Garnett or anyone else who is in the league who's followed thinks that he's a six-time NBA Finals winner.

They just think that he bears a lot when MJ wasn't winning yet, that he was showing a lot of the characteristics of that player.

And I personally, I don't think it's even possible for someone to win six rings anymore.

Like maybe as the extra guy who goes tops from team to team or something, but as like the main guy, I just don't think that's available anymore.

I mean, I don't think anyone can be the next Jordan in totality because you have this influx of international talent.

Look at all the MVPs from the last five years.

They've all gone to international players.

All three guys who are MVP finalists this year were international players.

Like, the competition is so much thicker from team to team and game to game.

I just look at Denver, right?

If they were in a different, more watered-down NBA, like they would have caked walk to the finals.

They're so good.

But that's not what the NBA is anymore.

Every team has some great players.

Well, I was talking about the Bulls.

Yeah, no, the Bulls don't.

Well, DeMar DeRosa.

Alex Caruso, Alex Caruso.

Yeah, Alex Crusoe.

Respect on Alex Caruso.

Yeah, he's a great player.

No, no, no.

I'm only teasing.

I'm only teasing.

Do you think Tamara's gone?

Yeah, there's nothing that can be teased.

Like, they're just,

I've become apathetic.

Like, they've done the thing where it's like, you never want to be as a sports fan, where it's like, they don't care about actually trying to win a championship.

So, why should I care as much

year in and year out?

Yeah, it hurts.

It hurts.

But that was, yeah, I mean, that's sad to see what Big Cat's become.

He's the killer whale.

Kellburgh.

You got killed.

You got to get him burying his soul like this.

It's just what it is.

It's just brave of you.

It's very brave.

That was good context on the KG,

you know, Anthony Edwards 84 Jordan thing.

When you're talking to KG and working with him,

what does he think about this Celtics team?

You know, look, those guys, I work with a bunch of those guys.

I work with Rondo.

I work with Pierce.

I work with KG.

And they're all really in.

They're behind these guys.

You know, KG and Paul have such a connection with Tatum and Brown because it was literally their trade that allowed the Celtics to get them.

So they definitely feel this sort of responsibility to them and for them.

And those guys feel a lot of gratitude toward and for them.

And Jason Tatum actually spent this past summer working out with Paul Pierce every day.

Like they were in LA every morning, 7.30 or whatever, in the gym together.

I asked the Celtics owner a couple weeks ago, I was like, hey, I'm watching this all summer.

I'm seeing the clips on social media.

I talked to Paul.

I was like, do you want your young star hanging out with Paul Pierce?

Like, what are we talking now?

I mean, Paul was in the room when I asked this question and everyone laughed.

And he was just like, like, Yeah, he's like, for the workouts, sure.

And Paul was like, I tell him after we're done, you go your way, I'll go mine, because

I got a different job than you have.

So, yeah, I think those guys are connected to the Celtics.

I know you're going to see Paul Fourside at games.

KG just doesn't go to as many games, so I don't know if he's going to show up or not.

But I'm pretty sure that you will see some of those 08 Celtics even more at these playoff games because that organization, there is, you know, there's such a history.

There is such a connection that I feel like you know they're gonna show up the shocking thing to me there was that Paul Pierce is in a gym at 730 in the morning every day that probably didn't go to sleep tell me about it yeah dude tell me about it but it's true it's like I don't know if it's like so many years of your body being told this is the time you wake up and this is the time you work out I have I've been like did you like reset the clock on the phone so we'd think it was seven in the morning and it wasn't but apparently no yeah do like

Jason Tatum 2 30 workout and then you you just change the time.

You just put a fake time stamp on it, and you put it on Instagram.

Everybody thinks that you're there at like six getting shots up.

That'd be sad.

Yeah, man.

I'm getting shots up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I actually, I didn't know if Hank was going to be with you guys today.

He's here.

I have like an opinion.

Yeah.

Oh, she has an opinion.

We talked Celtics.

Yeah.

Talking about Tattoo.

He's very sensitive.

He's very sensitive.

If you say Jason Tatum had a bad quarter, he will get very upset.

He'll give you a look.

Yeah.

Well, no, this is, I think he's going to be happy with me.

So I was really, okay, the Pacers choked away their chance to win game one.

Like, I got to say that at the outset.

That's 100%.

No walking that around, no back and forth.

They had many chances to wrap up the game.

They didn't.

The biggest one being, why in the hell was someone inbounding the ball on their own half of the court when they had a timeout and could have advanced the ball up the court?

Like, like Jalen Brown can't hit the three if they're not on that side of the court.

So

I can't even understand some of the crap that happened.

However, once they got to overtime, Boston still had to win the game.

So the Pictures choked the win.

But I've had these arguments over the last two days with people being like, oh,

they handed the Celtics the win.

What about the way the Celtics have or have not shown up at the end of really big games that we've criticized them for over and over again would tell you that's a foregone conclusion.

Jalen Brown had to hit a shot at the end of regulation that he is hitting these days corner threes 22% of the time.

That means 78% of the time, that ball would not go in, right?

And then in overtime, the Pacers actually scored the first bucket.

So Indiana could have, we've seen at times where teams winning and then they go to overtime and then they just are like, great, we're putting our foot on the gas and keep going.

And Baltimore was like, no, we're actually the ones that are going to keep going.

And they totally overmatched them.

And Tatum in the final minute hit that.

huge three that it was only a one-point game.

And if that ball missed, they're running down the other side of the court and Pacers eating it up.

So

I agree with the choking on the Pacers side.

The Pacers agree with the choking.

They've said it.

They're like, the mistakes were on us.

We lost ourselves the game.

But they didn't make Boston win.

Boston actually won.

Hold on, hold on.

Rachel, hold on, hold on.

You haven't been on it.

We haven't had you on in a while, and that's our fault.

But you got to remember how this show works.

We don't do these things for Hank.

We don't compliment him and tell him that everything's going to be okay.

I don't like what just happened there.

Even if it was true.

Even if it it was true.

No.

The reason why I wanted to talk with him about this is because I have gotten killed the last two days for saying this.

Yeah.

And I'm looking for someone to back me up.

Okay, that's fair.

I just don't understand.

You also didn't talk about it.

You didn't talk about the Halliburton diving out of bounds or giving him confidence.

There's all these things that added up.

It was a big-time fluke win for the Celtics.

Well, it's just good to hear from a media member who's not completely biased against the Celtics and trying to spin every game and just retain performance.

No, I'm not.

You're biased for the Celtics.

Yeah, you are.

You're a co-host of the show.

Rachel, would you admit, as a media member, the media bias against Jason Tatum is insane and has been insane since the class.

You're being ridiculous.

You're being absolutely ridiculous.

This guy has made all NBA for theme over and over and over again.

Nothing was on my MBT ballot this year.

Like, what are you talking about?

He's been in six of eight conference finals.

Like, how is everybody against him?

Well, what's wrong with you?

People expect, I think the problem with Jason Tatum is, and it's not a problem.

It's more that, like, he is so highly acclaimed.

He is so good at basketball, but there are levels to this.

So, when I say,

when I say I would rather have Luca than Jason Tatum, Hank gets really pouty and says that I'm being anti-Jason Tatum, when in reality, it's just Luca is a

true.

Yeah, Luca's just

one of the top three players in the NBA.

That's just a fact.

Jason Tatum is probably four or five.

Like, I would rather have Luca than Jason Tatum, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't have Jason Tatum over like a boatload of other people.

No, but think that you're being bad.

Not everybody can be the best.

We don't get participation trophies.

Someone's the best.

That means they're the best.

That means other people are worse, but then those people are better than other people.

Hank doesn't agree with that.

Yeah.

The idea that there could be a question in the series I'm at, I'm at the Timberwolves Dallas series right now.

that like, oh, who's the best player on the court?

I'm like, guys, we know who the best player on the court is.

The best player on the court is Luca Dantrich.

Like, that doesn't mean his team's going to win because Minnesota's deeper and Minnesota has guys who are right there under him and Anthony Edwards is ascending and all that stuff we're talking about.

But this whole like, oh, would you rather have Ant than Luca?

Yay, no.

It's crazy.

Thank you.

He's a generational talent.

Thank you.

I just think we got to, you know, and Jason Tatum is fantastic, but he's not Luca yet.

Maybe he, Jason Tatum could have an amazing summer, right?

Let's say they get to the finals.

Let's say they win the finals.

Let's say that he, you know, hits these money shots.

We haven't seen him, you know, kind of sink some of the real game-winning NBA finals kind of, you know, the whole world is watching shots yet.

If he can do that, if he can power through and kind of create that, and then he's going to be on Team USA that summar this summer, everyone's going to watch those games.

It's like the best team since Barcelona and the Dream team, right?

So if he can have a good role on that team and look good and be playing with players who make him look good and against competition that will frankly largely make him look good,

People could have a totally different opinion of Jason Tatum as a whole by the end of the summer than they do right now.

But he's got to do that stuff.

Yeah.

He's going to do it.

It's a fair point, Hank.

I agree with that.

I agree with that.

But then Anthony Edwards, we just heard from, was it Windhorse that told us that he was the best player on Team USA?

Yeah.

Well, he wore the mic.

He was.

Well, that was the team USA.

That was like the junior team USA.

So that was the team at the World Championships.

So some of the big stars, the guys who were going, like Steph or LeBron or any of those guys, or even the slightly younger generation who are really big, they weren't on that team.

That was sort of the, you know, if you're going to be a fringe addition to Team USA for the Olympics, come play on this team and show us who's really good and who deserves like the last three or four spots.

I'm glad you.

And Ant nailed it.

I'm glad you brought up LeBron.

Thank you for introducing that topic of conversation.

Never talk about it.

So there's,

we got a couple coaching vacancies right now.

They happen to be in Los Angeles, where LeBron James plays currently, and in Cleveland, where LeBron James is from.

The Cleveland Cavaliers.

LeBron has some ties to the Cleveland area.

Are you saying he should coach the Cleveland Cavaliers?

That's what we're saying here.

Actually, we had not thought about that.

Sounds like you just said it.

I think Bronny should coach the Cleveland Cavaliers.

I should not say that.

I think they got Bronny as the coach.

LeBron goes back to Cleveland.

We're not aggregating me.

We were actually saying that it'd be very funny if LeBron got JJ hired in L.A.

and then left the Lakers

to go to, because he knows that he doesn't get along well with coaches.

That'd be too big of a spotlight on JJ for his first stop.

So I'm going to leave town because we're bros.

We can still do the podcast.

But what do you think is going to happen with those coaching vacancies?

If you could read the tea leaves.

I don't know, man.

Like,

LeBron is his camp is like being very...

ardent and making sure it's out there.

LeBron is not going to have anything to do with this coaching search.

He's told the team he doesn't want any part of it.

And I get that because if you don't have any ownership over the hire, people can't blame you for it and people like to blame him for a lot of things.

And then if it goes sour, if it goes south, you can be like, I didn't ask for him.

Hey, man, I didn't ask for him.

And you can check out if you want to.

Or you can be like, I don't like him or whatever.

I get all of that.

That's the advantage for LeBron.

But it's not the advantage for the organization.

You want to make him have ownership of it.

You want him to say, I like this guy.

I can work with this guy.

For that very reason, Darvin Hamm's relationship deteriorated with LeBron and Anthony Davis over like the last three or four months of the season, and that was it.

He was out.

So if the organization wants a coach where the players feel a little obligated, like we were just talking about, Luca and Kyrie and Jason Kitt, that respect is just earned over being a Hall of Famer in the NBA.

You've got to have someone, even if you're putting in a guy kind of, you know, more just sticking him in there as opposed to a lifelong fandom.

You have to have a guy that the players are willing to say, we stand by this guy, we believe him, we'll listen to him yell at us.

So if I'm the organization that, by the way, has had six coaches in in 13 years and recognizes that front office recognizes they got to, this carousel is not working.

It's not, despite the bubbles, it's not how you win championships long term, is that, you know, they've got to have buy-in from the stars.

And if I were the Lakers, I would say, I appreciate you don't want to be involved.

We don't even have to share with anyone you were involved.

We can do it behind the scenes, but we need you involved.

So I don't know how that's going to play out.

But

when I saw that, I was like, this isn't, that's not the best version of this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Maybe Pat Riley comes home.

I think Pat Riley and LeBron have like it's softened a little bit the like white-hot hatred that was coming from Miami after LeBron left.

I think maybe it's turned down a little bit, but I would not expect Pat Riley to be.

I'm out of ideas then.

Mentoring coaching or managing.

Tom Crean coached up Anthony Edwards, made him into the player he is today.

I had a question about the Timber Wolves.

One more about

the Wolves.

They've got a lot of people on their team that could be looked at as being leaders of the team for different reasons.

So behind closed doors, which one of those guys between,

obviously, Ant,

Rudy, he's outspoken.

He's like aloof and kind of goofy, but I feel like he is an outspoken guy.

Cat, and then you got some role players too that I feel like Nas Reed might be a leader of that team too when they're just with each other.

Mike Conley.

Yeah, so behind closed doors,

who's the straw that stirs that drink?

Who is the

alpha on that team?

Well, they found out a way to have two guys, right?

So, Ant is the one who's the alpha.

And I got to give a lot of credit to Karona Kenya Towns, by the way.

There's a lot of guys who would have had someone like that younger coming up and be like, screw that, get me out of here.

I'm not dealing with this.

And he is, he actually championed

being the alpha even before it really happened.

He was like, this guy, this is the guy, this is the guy.

And so I think he should get credit for that.

Ant is 100% the alpha in terms of he's the most outspoken.

You know, he plays as hard as he can on both sides of the floor, and that has earned him kind of premature respect from guys who are a lot older than him, even though he's only 22 years old.

He is the face of the team.

He loves talking shit.

He's 100% what we consider an alpha.

That does not mean he's the leader behind closed doors.

I think that Mike Conley's importance to this team cannot be understated.

And I think it's kind of like Kyrie.

I'm not sure you can be.

22 and be the guy behind closed doors who can really pull guys aside and give them advice or have the heart to hearts or whatever because you're just feeling it out yourselves.

This is Anthony Ebert's first conference finals, you know, all of that stuff.

Mike Conley has been around the block.

And I think because he's so well liked, he won Teammate of the Year, that award, like again, I think this is not the first time this season.

Like he just, he is this way with everyone.

No one feels like he's pulling anything on them.

He just wants them to succeed.

He's got a great temperament and personality.

So I think it's kind of, they've handed off different parts of that role to different guys.

And then Rudy, man, I did an interview with Rudy this morning.

And man, he's still, we were talking about Defensive Player of the Year, and he's still not so happy about how people feel about him winning.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He takes that very seriously.

I mean, well, what do you guys think?

I think Mike Conley, what, him winning Defensive Player of the Year?

Yeah,

were you in for that or not?

Yeah, I'm in for it.

I just, you know, it's a regular season award.

I think it helps that he stinks so much on offense that his defense stands out so much.

That's what the key is, right?

Like, if you're a really shitty offensive player and you play very, very good defense, people are like, defensive player, he's had some good offensive games.

I mean, I do not want to be put in a position of defending Rudy Gobert, but he's had some strong offensive games

these playoffs.

I'm just saying.

Yeah.

The problem is with all these awards, the playoffs start to bleed into the regular season.

It's what you did the year before, where like Jokic, before he won his first title, people are like, how could we give him multiple MVPs?

The MVP.

Right.

Yeah.

And so I think that's probably what is hurting Rudy Gobert in terms of public perception is he wins the award.

He deserves to win the award.

And then we watch

the playoffs and it's like there's been times when he's been played out of a series where it's like you can't even have him on the floor.

I'm not talking about this year, but in past.

There were a couple games with Jokic where he just abused himself to the point where it was like, Rudy should not be on the floor defensively.

And the award comes out simultaneous with what we're watching.

And we're like, wait, how does this work?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So he's not going to be able to do that.

I kind of think they should give out all the awards right at the end of the regular season because otherwise you have this danger of that happening and it's it's kind of bad.

I mean, you know, Nikoliokic embarrasses everyone.

Right.

Like he's,

I mean, can I

remember?

Yeah.

All right, good.

He is fucking amazing.

Yes.

Like, I mean, there's, you need to use the curse word part because there's no other way to say it.

Like, if you're bored by him, if you don't think he's good, if you're like, oh, he's lumpy and I don't know, like, you're just not paying attention or you don't know basketball.

Like, he is exceptional.

So, yeah, he embarrasses a lot of people.

I wasn't shocked.

He embarrassed Rudy.

Rudy gives his critics evidence.

He hands them things to criticize them about.

But I kept saying, I voted for him for Defensive Player of the Year, and people gave me the hardest time.

And I was like, how can you match him with Hakeem Elajuan for four defensive player of the years?

He's not at that level.

I'm like, Hakeem Elajuan was not on the ballot, guys.

Right.

Like, I can only vote for who played the best this season and his numbers and anchoring the number one defense and having his team finish me at the top of the conference.

And we don't have to worry about this next year.

Wemby's going to win the next, you know, five or or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, that's it's a weird way to chill where they're like, hey, well, this guy won it four times.

Is he as good as that guy that used to win the 90s?

And the same thing with like Luca's or with Jokic's MVP.

Yeah.

Where they're like, look at the other guys that have won three of them.

Yeah, if you doesn't belong in that conversation.

If you did it honestly, MJ and LeBron should have more MVPs.

That's just a fact.

But that's just how voting works.

Yeah.

That's how voting works.

Kobe has won.

Yeah.

Bananas.

Right.

Yeah.

It's very weird.

So you, since you cussed, I have a question about Luca because he gives a lot of shit to the referees, right?

So everyone that's watching Luca, a lot of people don't like the fact that after every

play, it feels like, every pass, sometimes even, he'll be in the refs.

There's some times, like on the goaltend that they called last night, Luca was calling the goaltend before the ball even went through the basket.

He was like underneath the basket telling the ref.

When he yells at the refs,

Does he curse in Slovenian?

And the refs just don't.

Oh, yeah, he does all the things.

So that's why he gets away with it because the refs don't understand.

He gets away with some of it, but then he'll go and start cursing at them and arguing with them in English.

And you're like, shh, like, do it the other way.

They can't understand you.

And I don't know.

I mean, look, we've been through like so many rounds of, you know, we've talked to Luca and he understands and he knows he can't do this as much.

And it's distracting for him and distracting for the team.

He doesn't get down to the other side of the court.

He doesn't win these arguments.

Like, why is he doing it?

We've gone through Luca saying, you know, he had a game in the last series where he didn't talk to the officials once.

And so, of course, everyone noticed.

And afterward, we asked him, hey, what was that?

And he's like, oh, everyone sat down with me.

Jason, Kyrie, you got to stop doing this.

They kept telling me, you know, what's why do you play basketball?

Remember the joy of the game.

Remember that it's fun.

Like, that was the approach they took this year.

They've taken like six approaches with him.

This year's approach is, remember the joy of the game.

Remember how fun it is.

Just have fun.

Don't worry so much about all this stuff.

And he played one game like that.

And the next game, he was right back to arguing every single call.

So I don't know how he's fixed it.

It hurts him more than it hurts anyone else.

And I don't, he's such a great and smart player.

I don't know why he can't move past it.

I think that's what gives him joy, though, yelling at the refs.

Yeah.

That's what he gives him.

That's what he goes back to.

That's what he's doing.

That's why he got into playing basketball.

Yeah, he just likes to yell at refs.

I wonder if any of the refs, I get it.

If any of them have started to learn Slovenian so they can figure out when he's saying the words that you're not allowed to say so I can tee you up.

Joey Crawford would have liked to to I bet they know some of them right I bet they know some like in the languages of the guys who are front and center I bet they know some of those words for sure yeah because they get called them a lot yeah yeah um all right i had one what'd they call me yeah i had one last question for you rachel uh roback question r-h-o-b-ac-c-k.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts roback.com uh this is just who's gonna who do you have in the finals who you have winning it's always nice when we have people on later on in the in the uh playoffs because you just have a better chance of getting this right.

Like, we'll have, we'll probably have Versillo on like game five of the finals and be like, all right, who do you got winning?

Okay, now who do you got?

Yeah, who do you have?

Because you can get credit for it.

Yeah, I mean, I think this has been a hard one to call.

Like, I was such a big believer in Denver, and I was frankly shocked in the fourth quarter of that series.

Like, I just, I, I don't know what happened.

I still can't tell you what happened in the fourth quarter of that series.

I mean, obviously, Minnesota played, you you know, great, but they had to lose, you know, Denver, Denver just,

I don't understand it.

So I was willing to put Denver up against everyone.

Now that the team I thought was kind of unbreakable is gone,

my berries are not right.

I think whoever comes out of this series could absolutely win the finals.

And with the Celtics, you just don't know.

And I don't want to disrespect the Pacers.

I would not pick them in a finals matchup.

I would not pick them in a conference finals matchup.

Like I'm picking the Celtics in that one.

The Celtics, you don't have enough information to know if they're good enough yet.

And it drives, I know Hank's probably boiling over there.

It drives Celtics fans crazy because they're like, we can only play who's in front of us.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean that I now have enough information.

Like, I don't know.

I don't know if you have what it takes because I haven't seen it yet.

I did not see it in the NBA Finals that they played against the Warriors where they just kind of fell apart as that series went on.

Like, I have not seen the evidence yet.

that you can win an NBA Finals.

That doesn't mean you can't.

And I absolutely believe that they could, but how would you know?

You just, they haven't been there and showed us that they could.

So that's not their fault.

It doesn't mean that they can't win.

But I couldn't call it once we get to the finals because the Celtics are like a black box.

You just don't know what's in there yet.

Yeah.

All right.

So who's the winning?

Mavs.

That's it.

That's my answer.

Mavs?

That was my answer.

That's my answer.

That was a good answer.

That was such a long answer.

I forgot that you didn't answer it.

You didn't answer.

That's a great answer.

Mavs?

Whoa.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Just not the Pacific.

Not the Pacers.

Maybe the Celtics.

That was smart.

And then also maybe whoever wins.

Now I might have to root for the Pacers just because that would be.

I mean,

the funniest possible outcome for this podcast would be the Pacers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

For sure.

Yeah.

Dude, I assume you guys are rooting for the Pacers anyway.

No, not rooting.

I want to see the Celtics do well.

I support my friend Hank.

I want

to.

He's a heartbroken Massachusetts sports fan.

Has not had a lot of success.

I want to see reverse the curse.

Yeah, it's fucked the Pacers right now.

In this house, it's fucked the pacers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Right, Hank?

We got your back.

Yeah.

I feel like there's

some fans who are like, we can never win game two.

Is he one of those guys?

Yeah, he's.

Are you one of those you can never win game two guys?

Yeah, yeah, game two.

Yeah.

Or it's a bad game two.

He also just said

we just want to see him lose in the finals.

That is ridiculous.

I would never think that.

It is.

No, it's 100% true.

I don't want to see it.

You'd hate to see it if it happened.

You would hate to.

We would hate to have to podcast about it.

Rachel, you'd have to.

You're going to hate watching Hank if he loses in the finals.

Everyone, everyone, the Royal U.

We will hate it.

Yeah, exactly.

Who would have wanted to see that?

Well, what's his prediction for tonight?

If Boston can't win game twos, but

they've got one tonight.

What do you think?

I think today they reverse the curse, win by 20.

Jalen Brown drops 40.

It's a must-win for the Celtics, too.

NBA snub.

He's going to come out hot.

The Pacers, they don't lose at home.

They don't.

They haven't lost at home since March 18th.

That's true.

Have not lost at home since the middle of March.

It's a must-win for Hank tonight.

Yeah.

Can I brag for a second?

Yeah.

So we both work with DraftKings, and DraftKings has me do like a parlay bet every Tuesday.

And it really, I had to learn a lot about gambling and how parlays work.

I'm going to just admit that.

This was not my natural, I was not an expert to begin with.

But I'm proud because I've had more and more wins lately.

And I had a triple win parlay on the Celtics in the last game.

Wow.

And I got it.

Wow.

Congratulations.

You should brag about that.

Yes.

See?

So since he was saying Jalen Brown's going to draft 40, I was like, yeah, I picked Jalen Brown's numbers.

I picked Jason Tayton was rebounding.

I had Al Horford.

Like, I was in.

I was rolling.

What do you have tonight?

So there you go.

Rachel's secret parlay.

I'm going to have to pick tonight.

All right.

So we'll have to tune in on Tuesday for DraftKings.

Yeah, I love it.

Yeah.

It's a good plug.

There you go.

It's a good plug.

Well, yeah.

Rachel, it was great having you back on the show.

We'll make sure that we have you back on sooner than later and appreciate it as always.

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And now here's Tommy Pope and Chris O'Connor.

And now for something completely different.

Okay, we now welcome on very special guests.

It is Tommy Pope, Chris O'Connor, Stuff Island guys.

Also,

in the new comedy on Netflix, Tires, which will be out

when we air this probably.

So congrats on that.

Thursday.

Thursday morning, 3 a.m.

Now, I already asked.

I'm going to ask again because you guys didn't give me an answer.

Shane Gillis is Adam Sandler.

Who's Rob Schneider?

Well, currently, it would be Gerbin.

Yeah, I guess.

Oh, you guys aren't even in like the...

You guys are kind of on the outside?

No, he's in...

No, no, no, no, no.

I'm a recurring character with Schultz.

Okay.

So I'm in like three of the six episodes.

Chris is in the shop.

You're in the hole.

He's one of the boys in in the shop.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Did you guys help write it?

I didn't.

A little bit.

Yeah.

But, yeah.

What does that mean, a little bit?

I don't know.

I was like on set, throwing out ideas.

I was there the whole time.

Like throwing out ideas.

Like, I don't know.

Some of the stuff was kind of based on scripts that we wrote a long time ago, but it changed a lot.

Just like punching it up, changing some punchlines.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, most of the time.

Yeah.

I wasn't like writing.

I wasn't in the room writing with it.

Is it awesome?

Like, is it like set in that like you guys are going to be on a Netflix show?

Like, this is all.

It feels like the whole group has been on this

meteoric rise.

It's nuts to watch.

Yeah, it is.

It's weird, man.

There's so many different variants of all of our group that we've been doing stuff for like 12 years together in different aspects.

Right.

So seeing it all finally take hold is like, you know.

I don't know.

It hasn't sunk in.

I don't think, yeah.

I still don't really believe it's real.

Once it comes out and people are watching it and then they recognize you from it.

Yeah, everyone's just going to call me a WAP all day.

Yeah, it's kind of sick.

That's like, you've reached the highest part of an Italian.

Yeah.

Are you guys ready to just let fame go to your head if it becomes a smash hit?

And you're always going to be known as the guy from tires?

I don't know.

I still don't believe that will happen.

Yeah.

That like, no, it's like consistent.

I mean, the writers, yeah, it was like Shane, Gerbin, and McKeever.

But like,

like I said, I think this is, this is the one, and I think they'll, they'll have as many seasons as they want.

Yeah.

It's, it's a matter of, but, like, everybody is so talented that I think it's going to be, like, one of those,

I think it'll be one of those things where, like, they're just going to go, okay, this is a jumping point to the next project, and it's going to be something.

There's just such a great group, and it's corny as fucking hell, but like, it's an octopus where, like, everybody's tentacle is a different, like, you know, we have different qualities and talents, but we're all going in the same direction.

It's awesome, because I love the idea of like, you know, comedy is obviously a very singular thing where it's like, you know, you're a comedian, you're up there, you're not competing against everyone, but you are.

But like seeing a group of guys do it together is the coolest.

Like that is why the Adam Sandler, like, I think people keep getting drawn back to it because like he's like, I got my friends and this is awesome and we like to make movies together.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think that was, that's crazy.

I mean, the, the idea that we get.

that we get to be part of this show and that it's being made and it's literally just all of our friends is insane.

like to even be doing this in any capacity is nuts yeah the fact that it's just all people we which is hang out anyway yeah yeah it's so important it's like yeah you know the quality of work you guys do here is because you're hanging around each other all the time because you're our you're our boys and like the work environment and i think like the work environment every set when it's just us like the way you know mckeever directs and stuff and then like the way they write the scripts, they're always a lot for improv.

So like whatever you see on screen might have never made this, the script is just like a function for like

a story.

Right.

And then because we're all so comfortable, there's not some strange director.

You're not working with an actor you just met.

It's just like you know exactly how they interact.

Yeah.

You know, a lot of times it's just Gerbin fighting with Shane the way Chris and I would fight.

It's like you're like, you want to get a cheeseburger from Chris?

Go.

And then it's like, it's immediately good.

Right.

It's natural.

The next level of this is like as it evolves, what Sandler especially did is like later on, he just started doing his movies with his boys at like vacation destinations.

Yeah.

I'm going to spend two months following.

You're going to be like, Shane, let's not do

tire shops.

How about we do a

TV show about like yacht repairman?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I started thinking about doing just a road trip movie.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I already have like the, but that's kind of the same selfish

mentality going, let's just go do all the coolest shit.

Let's do a bucket list.

If you were about to die, what would be all the coolest shit you would want to do?

Yeah, the tire shop, but it's in Cabo.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

All the women are naked.

There's cocaine inside the tire.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's sick, though.

So, and you guys just both moved to Austin, right?

Yeah.

So, how's that cultural shock from New York?

Because you guys were all living together in Queens, right?

Yeah.

The two of you.

Were you guys living in the same apartment?

Yeah.

So I was there.

I was there for like 10, 10, 11 or something like that.

And Shane was with me for like five or six.

And then Chris moved in.

He was with us for like four.

All three of us were together for four.

Shane moved upstairs.

Chris and I together for another year.

And then Shane fucked off to Austin.

We followed him like three months later.

In terms of culture shock, it's like, I don't know if it's my age, like Chris said it on the other pod, where it's like, you don't realize the Northeast, Philly, and New York, it's like you're constantly under fucking mayhem.

Yeah.

Your angst is up.

Your anxiety's flying.

You're just angry for no fucking reason.

And I got to Texas and I was like, oh, this is a quality of life that people talk about.

Yeah.

You're peaceful.

This is a different way to live.

Yeah.

Everyone's nice.

Yeah.

Everyone's saying like nice little little things.

Yeah.

Dude, if it's just surface-y stuff, I like it.

The explosion in my endorphins in my fucking brain when a neighbor comes out and just like waves.

Yeah, it's nice, right?

It's so beautiful.

It's really.

So, what part of town are you guys in?

I'm in South Austin.

Okay.

I'm downtown.

Yeah.

South Austin is still pretty cool, right?

It's, yeah.

There's like, there's like two or three different.

I mean, there's a lot of outdoor fucking breweries and stuff like that, but there's a couple around me that are just like

just enough artsy.

That's not too hipstery.

Yeah.

It's real.

The people are real.

You don't feel like you're in a corny space.

It's not, it doesn't seem like Brooklyn, if, if, if you can understand that.

It's not like Texas, Brooklyn.

Going from like a Manhattan restaurant to an Austin restaurant and seeing the vast difference in size is just so crazy.

So I did the opposite.

I moved from Austin to New York City.

Oh, no shit.

And then I walked into my first restaurant when I got there.

And I was like,

how do I walk to my camera?

Yeah, where do you get it?

While you're in Austin, you've got like a backyard to every restaurant that's like four acres.

Yeah.

Dogs running around.

It's also so easy to find shit in Austin because you're just walking around.

You hear like good music playing.

You're like, I'll go check that out.

Follow it.

In New York, you have to find the spot where cool shit.

You have to dig into this nest of shit to find a cool hang.

Yeah.

I just, I love the idea of Tommy just being, I've said it, but like, you are the end of good fellas just walking around being like, is that guy waving or me?

Yeah.

Fuck you too.

Yeah.

Right, right.

No, they really are.

Dude, even the customer service for like the utility bills, the people are just eating their peaches, dude.

I got to call them.

I got to say, like, I got to switch over gas and stuff.

And I'm just

deep breath dredging, you know, dreading rather talking to this fucking woman who's going to give me a hard time getting my gas turned over.

And she's just sweet as pie.

Picks up right away.

I'm not on hold for 30 fucking minutes.

She's asking about my day before we get to business.

So are you worried that

are you going to get soft, though?

Oh, yeah.

You've already gotten soft.

You're going to miss that East Coast

combativeness.

No, I think I was in the trenches long enough that I can never,

I can never go back to the pussy lifestyle.

Yeah, I still

in like a honeymoon phase.

It's just like, man, it's so nice down.

I can't believe we're down here.

I think it'll, after a year, we'll slowly slip back.

Oh, I'm kind of rooting for you guys to get soft.

Yeah, and you'll know it, too.

I think the year thing is like, it's a good, that's a good milestone right there.

It's like a year because you're going to get experience of summer.

Because I have no idea what that's going to be like.

You do.

No fucking idea.

I don't know if I'm going to enjoy it or not.

And then you go, okay, well, I'm in space.

I'm in a lot of space.

Do I miss the animals?

But the good thing is, the club where we, you know, Mothership is on 6th Street.

Yeah.

And that's Mayhem.

So we get a little, you get a little bit of both.

Yeah.

And 6th Street at night, it turns into just a cluster fucked up.

Smarty garage.

So there is some chaos there for sure.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

Your brain's kind of your brain.

What do you mean?

Oh, that's good.

That was deep.

Jesus.

I mean, that was just like deep.

I don't know.

I feel like

as much as things have changed, you're still kind of like

in the same

skating room.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, I don't know.

Do you feel like you're way different now than you were in New York?

New York does, I think it's more just like there's a deep breath that you can take when you leave New York that you didn't realize you were holding it in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, you're like, oh, shit.

I was.

Chicago's a perfect lateral movie because you still have a beautiful city, lots of entertainment.

That's not just one note and end piece.

Right.

And there's trees and like parks and and stuff.

Yeah.

New York, like, yeah, you just kind of like hold it in your like, your shoulders right now.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

I was kind of just I used to say that's how that's how that's why Philadelphia is one of the ugliest cities because I think they're all born beautiful and just the tension around them just gets them like they start hunkering down and they start losing their size and their eyebrows get down because they're always like fuck you fuck you and they just turn into orcs always protected

always protecting like one little piece of land like my dad always protected the front grass all the time like get the fuck off the lawn like kids would just walk along a corner yeah just angry his whole fucking life not knowing he could go 30 miles this way and just live in Lancaster yeah have sex with his wife again you know what I mean

though like your brain is your brain so like if you if you move somewhere you never I think people do change though I think they change their environment yeah like if we lived in San Diego I'd be so how do you not become like we we actually discussed it like you know bisexual Hank Hank wants Hank wanted us to move to California's like we can't be sports fans the same way in California.

Like, I just don't think you can, I don't think it can matter as much.

Yeah.

And it's that beautiful every day.

I don't know.

I agree with this a little bit, but I will say I don't know enough about the summer yet.

I do, I will miss, 1 million percent miss the change of seasons.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like that, that to me.

But you're talking about growing up there.

Yeah, it's hard to be a sports fan.

Yeah, or

on the same level.

Or just move.

I think if you move to California, and maybe I'm way off, but like if my team loses a big game and it's like, oh, it's 70 degrees, I can go to the beach.

I just don't think you hold it in the same way.

Oh, come on, dude.

You think so?

Yeah.

Oh, I think a playoff loss in football when it's like, you know, this is where you're at.

Brain's already a broken.

Your brain's, your brain.

You get to the beach and you go, I'm sitting at a fucking beach.

My team just lost.

Who the fuck do I think I am?

Yeah, 100%.

Riding a bike along the beach is nice for two weeks, and then you start going, who the fuck does this?

I think eventually it just takes over you.

Other people's brain take over your brains because you're out there, you make new friends.

Your friends aren't as into sports because they grew up in San Diego.

Then they're not my friend.

And then

you're not my friend.

Yeah, you have to find like

the ultimate discretion.

I'm fucking easy F-word on you.

I don't know, man.

I feel like it would change us.

It would make us...

Because right now, I think the beauty of this show sometimes is that we get pissed off over the smallest, most inconsequential things.

Right.

Like little tiny things.

Like the jerseys the Nuggets wore last night in game seven.

Sure.

Those were game two jerseys.

They were not game seven.

I agree with that 100%.

If I'm in San Diego, do you think I'm like, I'm getting riled up about what the Nuggets wore?

I think you'd get more.

I mean, again, if you transplanted there, I think you'd get more mad.

You're breaking mad.

Because walking out into a nice sunny day is like when you go in the locker room after a loss and people are dancing.

Yeah, yeah.

Shut the music off.

This is not what a loss looks like.

You guys having a good time?

Shit, your brain is your brain.

Yeah, dude.

Fucking deep.

This will be a big test will be the Eagles season in fucking Austin.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Will you be able to get fired up?

Oh, 100%.

Maybe.

Okay.

Yeah.

I mean, you're in the thresholders.

Put me in rushing

something.

Yeah, I mean, our guy, Max, he's a big Philly fan, and the Eagles torture him.

He's just angry all the time.

But again, it's great.

It's great torture.

Going fucking, what, 11, 11-win season?

I'll take it for a little while.

The fumble in the Super Bowl is the shit that will always echo in your skull.

Yeah.

yeah, because you had the like you had it, all the momentum.

But if you're getting there and getting your ass whooped, you still go, ah, maybe next year.

Did you guys do any deep background research on the Sod Father, the guy that put the grass down for that game?

No, I didn't do any research.

I don't think that's like suspect.

Nice really?

Suspect.

You should learn about it.

No, I've read enough, and then I went, I can't, I'm not mentally strong and emotionally strong enough for this shit.

What's the deal with this guy?

He has been doing the

groundskeeping work for the Chiefs for like, what, 50 years?

His whole life.

Yeah.

His last game was the Super Bowl.

And on the way out, they had all that controversy about how slick the grass was, how it was.

And the Chiefs knew.

The Chiefs had the right cleats.

Yeah.

The Eagles didn't.

Really?

Guys.

I did not know.

Next topic, Tom.

Is that one paper over there?

That kind of shit matters, dude.

Because certain, again, certain surfaces play to certain teams.

And like,

that shit

drives me nuts.

Look into it.

Yeah.

I liked it, Tommy.

Just like looked at the read one paragraph on ESPN.com and was like, I can't.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Literally cannot handle it.

Yeah.

It's like, it's like a mother of six going, a child was kidnapped.

And it's like, I can't have that in my skull right now.

I got six beautiful angels on my couch.

I'm not reading about this kid fucking getting angst right.

God.

All right.

So, yeah, that will be the big test.

It's like, can you get worked up?

I mean, yeah, you will be with Cowboys fans.

So that does.

That'll be actually the perfect way to

keep you locked up.

Get you angry.

There's nothing worse than a Cowboys fan.

Dude, a Cowboys fan in Texas, I'll take it.

I'll listen to you.

Yeah.

But seeing a Cowboys fan in Philly or anywhere but Texas, you're a pile of garbage.

It's interesting because I found that Cowboys fans outside of Texas are, they're more delusional about the Cowboys than the ones that are actually fans.

They just want to be something.

They like the image of the Cowboys.

They fell for the American CB.

Down there, it's just Mexican dudes wanting to talk about something.

Yeah, yeah.

They're more knowledgeable Cowboys fans in Texas than they are anywhere else.

I'll get to that.

Yeah.

So are you from Austin?

No, originally from D.C.

So I'm a Peters football team, Redskins fan with

whatever name is this year.

It's awful.

I'm actually

mad.

Yeah, you can't be mad at me.

No, no, no, no.

We're not a threat.

Dude.

No, but

you guys did make some good changes.

It's going to take.

You got rid of that fucking pervert.

That's great.

Yep.

And which one?

He owns the organization.

Oh, yeah, yeah, that guy.

The head poverty.

Great question.

Oh, my God.

Got to specify here yeah i think the next five years is gonna be a nice building squad for you boys oh that was a that's that that was mean what he just i mean i mean that was i need to be

so patty funny

yeah it's be cute in a little five-year rebuild it's a it's a good time he's not 80.

i spent like me saying that to my dad yeah i spent the last like seven years of my life just willing every every every ounce of my inner being trying to get dan snyder out he was my biggest enemy i just went after him all the time brought up a lot of old shit that he did did.

I was like,

I won't live past this guy because he's a billionaire.

So he's going to live to be like 110.

So I can't die with him still as the owner.

I got my wish.

He sold the team.

Now I'm the dog that caught the ambulance.

And I'm like, I don't.

Now what?

It was way easier to just get mad at Dan Snyder for all my problems.

Did you get any like legal issues with that?

Like, I know some of those guys like actually go after.

Yeah, it happens with James Dolan and the Knicks a lot.

Right.

I feel like he goes after.

I mean, we're banned from.

We tried to to do a show at where?

The Beacon Theater?

Yeah, Beacon Theater.

And we were told no.

Real?

Because it's owned by MSG?

Yeah.

Yeah.

He owns a lot of stuff.

Yeah, and we sold like shirts that said like sell the team like eight years ago.

One of our other guys did hiss at him on the street.

I don't know if that has anything to do with it.

He just hissed at him.

Yeah.

I'm not a huge fan of that guy.

Yeah, James Dolan?

Yeah, yeah.

Way to go out on the battle.

Nobody.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't understand why they can't force him out.

I mean,

how could you?

Because it sets a bad precedent.

So if the other owners are are like, hey, we got to get this guy out, they make him sell the team, then they all know that they've got some skeletons.

And they cut.

Yeah, but also they cut the whole fight.

It's like getting a new head coach.

Yeah.

You know, if you know the head coach is not great, but the offensive coordinator is boys with the head coach.

As soon as you get a new head coach,

the whole system of coaches is cut.

No, no, no.

This is just a cultural problem.

They got to make a change.

Yeah, but

you got to give him a handshake and say, hey, man.

It's all billionaires who like to come.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, think about some of the guys that got kicked out of of different places, different teams, like how it took a long time, or they had to do some real, like Donald Sterling or the guy who was the guy who owned the Suns or even the guy in the Panthers.

Like, they don't want to kick anyone out because then everyone could turn around and be like, but what about you?

Yeah, yeah.

I think Jerry Jones doesn't have any skeletons in his closet where he's got skeletons in his fucking face.

Yeah, he does.

His teeth are disgusting.

But yeah, they don't want...

Another owner to sell because then at the end of the day, they're like, shit, somebody can make me sell because I've done some fucked up shit.

Think about when Dan Snyder was getting under all that pressure like a year ago, when it was right, right getting to the point where it was like, oh, shit, he's got to sell this team.

You think it was a coincidence that Jerry Jones' pictures from when he was like protesting black kids

integrated schools popped up?

Like, that shit just starts coming up.

That's mudslinging.

Yeah, right.

Like, oh, you want to do it?

Okay, we'll do it too.

Like Steinbrenner, I'm going to tailgate that dude's funeral.

Jerry Jones.

Jerry Jones.

Why?

You guys should like him.

He is

making all the wrong things.

Yeah, he meddles.

Like, outside of the 90s, he just meddles so much that it's like, yeah.

I mean, I actually respect Jerry Jones and the fact that if I were an owner, I would do the same thing and be like, I'm the GM too.

I'm the coach.

Like, I'm calling the plays.

It's my team.

Yeah.

I like that.

I would do the same thing.

I don't know.

But once you start eating exclusively applesauce, you got to hang it up.

And he made an AI like robotic version.

Political on me, dude.

Yeah, he makes people do a tour of Cowboys Stadium, and there's an AI Jerry Jones that you can talk to if you're like a fan going through that.

Really?

Well, he's in that late stage,

the super rich guys that get so obsessed with living forever.

Yeah.

And they start doing weird shit, like taking their kids' blood and shit.

Yeah, but I get

that part I get.

Taking people's blood?

Yeah, dude.

If you were old and a billionaire,

everything has gone right.

So right in your life,

the only thing that's coming for you is death, and it would be so unacceptable.

Yeah.

I don't know, man.

I feel feel like I've had so much fun already.

I'm only 44.

I'm cool with a dirt nap at this point.

No, you aren't.

Dude, doubling right now.

No, no, no.

But like, imagine if I make it to fucking 80.

Yeah, but I think that's so exhausted.

If you make it to 80, you probably had a ton more success.

You're like, this rocks.

I want to keep going.

Nah.

At that point, you got to fucking pump your dick up to touch anything.

Being a hundred percent.

What do you 100%

be drinking children's blood to

stay young?

You still

still.

Yeah, you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You'll be on fucking.

I started at 35.

I know.

Tire lotion king.

Tires season 200.

I want to keep doing this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Don't even have cars anymore.

Yeah.

No tires.

They're all flying.

Nobody's coming to shop.

Yeah.

It's more of a 90 sitcom.

Take your top off.

Is this science fiction?

What the fuck?

So, so, all right.

So you guys are on the road doing your podcast on the road.

I got to say, the Chevy Chase clip.

Yeah, so funny.

Yeah.

I mean, I laughed.

That was one of those clips that I saw and I started showing everyone.

Chris, you've never told a story.

Can you tell the story correctly right now?

You've never told a story worse than that.

If there's one clip that really resonates with our relationship,

there's like three of them, which shows you how his brain works and how my brain works, how our energies work and why our podcast works.

That fucking clip is exactly it.

We're in a car traveling to to a show, and he just brings up a random joke because we were struggling at the beginning of the podcast because we're focused on the energy of the traffic and stuff, and it was our first like in-car.

Oh, you're driving through Chevy Chase, Maryland.

Yeah, I didn't know that.

That

came up.

And he just was like.

And he goes, yeah, it's uh.

Well, you said I heard the guy's a dick, and I was like, Yeah, he'd fucking kick me off his trampoline.

Yeah.

And he said it just like that.

And I laughed, and I was just like, that's a good bet, dude.

Oh, no.

I was like, oh, yeah?

And he goes, goes yeah i was jumping too high and i thought it was just the corniest joke of all time but like i thought that was cute i was like that's a good bit dude yeah now that's a real thing it happened serious jebby chase kicked me off his trampoline

and then my mind explodes going what are you talking about why would you say it like that yeah why say it like that no one says it like that so what happened well so the best part is it's just it's gonna lead us right back

no redemption there's only one way to ever dude yeah no so i i it was fresh from the year of high school so all of our middle school my high school is like gigantic all of our middle school is like blended together and uh this kid in my biology class from another school i wound up you kind of like come becoming friends with him just in class and then he was talking about how he's dating chevy chase's daughter and i was like what

And then he was like, a couple weeks went by and it like kind of got around the class.

And then he invited like a bunch of us, like me and like literally like 13 other kids to go to Chevy Chase's house

one afternoon after school.

So like

after school, we just got picked up in this giant van

and we all went to Chevy Chase's house.

And then we get there.

It's like, this is weird.

It's just like in New York somewhere.

And we get there.

There's like a dance recital planned with like his daughter, whom this kid I know is dating.

That's why you don't want to be too successful.

Yeah.

It was was so weird.

So the kid, like his daughter starts dancing with a kid that I played on like a Connecticut, New York, like lacrosse all-star team with.

So I'm like, what the fuck is this kid doing here?

And apparently he had been taking dance lessons the whole time.

And he's like a ballroom dancer.

So like, and he saw me and was like, fuck.

So now he has to do like ballroom dancing with Chevy Chase's daughter in front of us in like a barn.

There's just 13 fucking

crazy.

Yeah, and we're all sitting there, like, and the kids I was with were like much more just like, fuck this fucking kid, like, just ripping on him the whole time.

So then that ended.

You're just rooting for your boy?

Yeah.

And I was like, you know, I was like, one of those things where I was like, I always kind of wanted to be a comedian, but I had no idea how to do it.

And I'm like, fucking at Chevy Chase's house.

And I'm like, I got to impress him somehow.

He sponsored Treadmill.

Yeah, no.

And so trampoline.

I'm like, I know that I'm not going to be able to, like, just joke around with him.

So I'm like, I'm going to impress him by how high I can jump on this trampoline.

And

again, this is all new information to me.

We're in his backyard, and

like me and this other kid get, like, we're taking turns going on the trampoline.

I'm on with this other kid, and I'm jumping so fucking.

Your headline in the trampoline?

Yeah, dude.

I'm crushing him.

And he walks out and he's like standing there.

And I'm like, just jumping as high as I fucking can being like, Chevy Chase is.

I'm thinking Chevy Chase is going to go, holy shit.

This kid's not top.

Like, yeah, yeah.

Like, what's your situation?

Yeah, dude.

Like, you want to go on the road?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You, yeah.

Are you a comedian?

I'm going to make this kid a star.

Yeah.

And instead, he goes, get off my trampoline.

You're jumping too high.

It's dangerous.

And I was like, oh, man.

And I get off the trampoline.

And then he just jumps on the trampoline with my friend.

And I was just standing there like, oh, oh damn jealous yeah

he took your air yeah

so they just did that and I wasn't allowed on the the only thing I was good I wasn't allowed to do

that's such a little kid thing too like you remember when you were like 12 and you're like if I you know shoot hoops like someone's gonna drive get me a beautiful ball right like I need that kid in the NBA

yeah

that's how my mom thought like when I first started doing stand-up like two years later my boy Luke Cunningham got into Fallon as a writer.

And my mom's like, why don't you just ask Luke to get you in?

And I was like, mom, you think that's just how it works?

Like, somebody just is doing that now, and you just go, hey, Luke, can you ask Fallon?

I mean, that's literally what happened with She.

So you never met Chevy Chase again, right?

No, no.

He took us through his whole house.

He played piano for us.

Oh, what a dick.

Hell.

Yeah, yeah, it was really crazy.

And then we played his security guards and basketball on his like private court, his outdoor court, and then we just went home.

What a day.

I have heard he's a dick, though, and that story confirms it to me.

Yeah, yeah, it's funny.

I like said that to someone once.

I was like, he's a fucking dick, man.

He treated us like a bunch of assholes.

And he was like, it was like an, it was when I was an adult.

There was another adult man.

He was like, yeah, he had a bunch of fucking 13-year-olds at his house.

Of course, he was a dick.

That would be the one time he was actually in the right.

Yo, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joey Chase is a dick, but not this thing.

I don't like the more I, it's like, I don't even know how that kid pitched his girlfriend on the idea.

Yeah, you were in a barn watching his girlfriend and another dude dance?

Dance.

Yeah.

It was so.

It's like one of those stories.

You just go, you check in on that person, find out where they live, and go, hey, see if they're still alive, or inflect, you know,

self-inflicted gunshot wounds.

Was it competitive ballroom dancing?

Was it being like judged?

I mean, I don't remember being competitive.

Calm down, bro.

Ballroom dancing to me.

I'm being competitive.

Yeah.

Imagine just casually ballroom dancing.

Yeah, true.

Not much.

Lazily?

Yeah.

Get the fuck out of my ballroom.

Work for this.

Yeah.

Dragging your foot.

What a story.

And I remember my parents, I don't even know if they, I think they might have just thought I went out and was like smoking weed or something.

You're like, no, I was getting yelled at by Chevy Chase.

I was like, I just got back from Chevy Chase's house.

And they were like, cool, go to bed.

You're like, did he take acid this time?

What the hell?

Yeah.

Chevy Chase.

I remember like leading up to it.

I was like, I'm not coming home after practice today.

I have to go to Chevy Chase's house.

And they were like, okay.

So walk us to the start of the podcast because I want to know how you guys got from like point A when you started podcasting together to where we're at right now and how it took off, the whole story behind it.

I mean, we were just drinking together.

Yeah.

We were just drunk over the pandemic together.

And we were watching, we were going through the Sopranos.

We were watching every episode of The Sopranos.

You guys were roommates at the time.

Yeah, yeah.

Just drinking whiskey and we were just having fun time like talking there's a deeper story to this where i from my perspective we weren't as i said in the last pod chris and i weren't getting along because he was in different it wasn't a big apartment unbeknownst to me yeah you didn't like no no i just didn't i didn't know chris because like he wasn't hanging out and he would just go out to shows with shane and i wasn't i wasn't going out with those guys at that time and i felt like we there was just such a disconnect with somebody living in the apartment that i was like he was more shane's boy at that time ah and then when shane Shane started popping off and being out a lot, Chris and I finally got to know each other.

And like a couple things happened, and like we started becoming like close friends.

And then the

pandemic happened, then we came back and started getting fucked up.

And then he kept saying, like, yo, we should start a podcast.

And I was coming off the heels of a podcast I hated doing for like three years.

And I was like, shut up.

And I just laughed it off.

Yeah, he was like, no.

You just got out of a podcast relationship.

I don't want to get my hurt.

Right.

Yeah, I'm not trying to fuck anybody else over.

And then finally, he just kept saying, He's like,

We'll do it tomorrow.

I kept trying to get him drunk.

You remember that?

When you were like, He got all the equipment.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

He said a date.

He's like, All right, tomorrow we're going to do a podcast.

I'm like, All right.

So the next day, I was like, Kept trying to get me.

Let's go to MAG.

No, I know.

It's a hard, heavy lift.

No, no, no.

Like, too drunk to say.

Just open up the refrigerator.

Yeah, yeah.

No, every step of the way, Tommy was digging out his heels.

He didn't want to do it.

We recorded one.

He was like, don't put it out.

And then I remember like I edited it and like put it together.

And he was like, don't put it out.

Let's bank a bunch.

And then I just spazzed and just put it online and like went to the gym and ran because I was so pissed.

And then it did really well.

Yeah.

I mean, well, you know.

Yeah, no, it was immediate.

Like we had like a good reaction.

I just didn't, I've never done a podcast with outside of being a guest with friends.

I never had just two guys.

Right.

So like you don't know, you kind of black out while you're talking.

You don't know what you said.

Yep.

And you don't know how it went.

Yep.

Because you don't know what other people perceive as funny.

Yep.

So you're having a fucking blast in a way, but is it the best you could be?

Never.

And then you read comments going, that's fucking hilarious.

You're like, oh, shit.

Yeah.

And then we just did it every week, but it's all because he.

And then there was like kind of a nice thing where we

like, because we had only really been like hanging out every day for like a month.

Yeah.

Like we were spending like every, like we, he was getting me to go to the gym because I was sad.

So it was like going to the gym and then we get get drunk at night.

And so, it was like a month of that.

So, we didn't really know each other that well.

So, the start of it was very fun because you're just like literally learning about a person, but already like very much in sync with them.

Right.

You know what I mean?

I think it's tough to like start a podcast if you've known someone for like 20 years.

Yeah.

Because then they're telling a story and you're like, Yeah, I've heard that.

Yeah, we, yeah.

I think the most important part, not that I'm trying to get people to start podcasts, but is like you have to have someone that has differing opinions, a total different perspective on life.

That's where the content comes from, is like the conflict.

It's like

the shit he says naturally, I'm baffled.

And the shit I say, he's baffled.

It's like easy to talk for an hour.

An hour flies when you're just going, you're a fucking idiot.

Right.

On both sides.

We're just ping-pong, and you're a fucking idiot.

So then all of a sudden, you just go, oh, shit, that was fun.

Yeah.

But you're still a fucking idiot.

And then you do it again.

And

it's been two and a half years.

So

it's not going to slow down.

No.

I mean, it's doing a great job.

I mean, like the, I think the

relationship you have with each other, that's, I mean, that's what this podcast is, too, where it's like, we're dumb.

We don't know.

We're not like actually giving you actually insight about sports.

We're just talking about sports as sports fans.

Right.

And people like the relationships more than anything.

100%.

They want to feel like they're hanging out with you.

Right.

Exactly.

It's also good that sports just gives us brand new material to work with.

That's everything.

Yeah, we have everything.

Scotty Scheffler gets arrested on Friday.

I was like, well, all right, that Monday show is done.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't have to ask my best friend how he's doing.

Yeah.

Fuck about Scheffler.

Yeah.

Fuck off.

Yeah, what happened with that?

They wrote that in such a confusing way, that article.

I was saying that when I woke up the first 30 seconds that I was awake, I was like, Scotty Scheffler killed someone.

That's what I thought.

What the fuck just happened?

No, he

was like, someone actually tragically did die.

What?

And yeah.

Oh, before he got there.

Yep.

Yeah.

So he was trying to.

No, they have to execute someone every time he shows up.

That was a great one.

Mr.

Shepherd's here.

Ah!

And then he was trying to bypass traffic, and a cop who probably didn't know who he was tried to stop him and was like, he does look like every golfing campaign.

Right.

Right.

He does.

But apparently he was in like a specially marked car that the tournament gives you.

It's like this white Lexus that all the players drive.

Oh, okay.

The cop fucked up.

Yeah.

It comes down to, I think the cop didn't realize that he was

playing in the tournament.

Yeah, someone died, though.

It's not like you get VIP access to it well but he wasn't running through the crime scene he was trying to go around to get into the tournament yeah they were saying there's an investigation still going on he was like yeah i'm still playing in the tournament the cop grabbed the the window and he's like what are you what are you doing and they drug him for like 300 yards yeah well that's the way they wrote it there was he was drugged to the granite which i don't believe that's yeah that's no there's no way he gets out of jail that quickly the charges were also already dropped right i they're they might be dropped

i'm thinking that they're probably gonna be dropped because it sounds from the report like the the cop ran after after the car, probably grabbed onto it, and then fell down.

And then he got up and he was like, oh, my wrist has a scratch on it.

It did, yeah.

His pants, by the way, the real story, his pants, the officer's pants,

were damaged beyond repair.

So that was included.

They wrote up at least from the stage.

Beyond repair?

Beyond repair.

To give you an idea of how gentle it went.

The officer's pants valued at $89 were damaged beyond repair

in this incident.

That's officially written in there.

They had to throw in something to make it like, why did you arrest Scotty Shefford?

It's like, well, my pants, dude.

Yeah.

My bird dog.

Who's going to fucking take this?

Wait, did they arrest him later?

No, no, right away.

Right away.

Get up and go arrest him.

On site.

On site, they arrested him.

He got out and shot like a fucking 66.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He got out of prison and shot like a five under.

Six under?

They picks under.

They put him in the five under, yeah.

They put him in the orange jumpsuit and they took his mug shot, which is just a fucking hilarious mug shot.

It's very funny.

Because Scotty Scheffler is the most boring person on planet Earth.

Here he is in a mug shot like fucking Frank Sinatra back in the day.

So they let him out.

He goes back to the golf course.

I was hoping he was going to wear the orange jumpsuit on the course.

That would have been awesome.

Did you see that kid who had the screen print t-shirt?

Yeah.

Of him, his headshot at the fucking first round?

I just went to a screen printing t-shirt company.

Oh, we had that shit.

Not the headshot.

We had the shirts in the store instantly.

Oh, did you?

Oh, yeah.

Jesus.

But showing the initiative to drive to the store, get one printed up and have one.

It's funny to talk for him to show up.

That guy was panting the whole time, too.

He's just like, fuck, I gotta get this fucking t-shirt.

He's gonna show another person.

And if he made one of those, like, this idiot should have made 100 of them and sold them.

Oh, not that.

Scotty Scheffler getting arrested probably bought Ms.

Peach's Dave's dog like a $100,000 bed.

Yeah.

That happened all in one morning.

Yeah, I remember when OJ got arrested, we had Free the Juice t-shirts down by the Veterans Stadium for birds games.

Like every

that was like the same day it was like a Sunday or something yeah they had just

you gotta free him t-shirts

probably probably didn't probably didn't yeah age perfectly yeah that's all right he went to fucking quit 80 years old that's what's gonna happen when you're a billionaire they're gonna have they're gonna get the photo of you saying

free the juice

look at this guy wait so i'm a great football player had a question about that so you lived with shane when everything happened with snl yeah did you were you just like standing over him and like, man, that sucks?

Like, I don't know how you would have

been,

you know, I'm not going to speak for him, but like, he, the way he handled it, Shane has a very, like, he's, he's just like, yeah, it sucks, but like, yeah, no, he's

very like internal.

He's a fucking, he was the man about it.

Yeah.

But he really was.

After it came out, yeah, he's obviously like, yeah, it was hell.

Yeah.

He's every day.

He's getting bombarded.

So I think the safe space for home was like, just chill.

Don't fucking bring it up.

Don't talk.

Just be best friends.

It's just hang out.

Yeah.

You don't want to just be smart.

Because he's getting fucking shelled everywhere else online.

Just, I can't imagine.

It feels like, yeah, when that happens, when

we had it, but not to that level.

But it just was funny.

He was just on the couch.

Chilling.

Yeah.

Video games.

But I think that's why people love Shane.

Yeah.

I think that's why they love him.

The schedule was the same, except every once in a while he'd get up and take a phone call, and it was like some massively powerful person.

Then he'd come back on the couch, unpaused man.

That's perfect.

Yeah, that is why

that's why everyone loved the way he I get that question all the time.

Like, is Shane really liked Alma?

Oh, yeah.

Dude, it's 1 billion percent.

He's just one of the bros.

Like, it couldn't be more one of the bros.

It's awesome.

I mean, even at Brady's Roast, when everyone's in the tucks and he's in a sweatshirt.

Camera pan.

And we're like, what the fuck?

Dude, he walked up like...

He walked up like Steinway.

He's like, I got to get a jacket for this fucking black tie event.

He was like doing that show with Jon Stewart.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

I forget what it's called.

And he came back in like 15 minutes.

He goes, I can't do it.

I love it.

He walked into like the gap and he goes, nope, turns around, comes home.

I've had that happen so many times where I walk in somewhere, like, yeah, I'm going to get something nice.

Yeah.

Put it on.

No, it's not me.

Can't do that.

Meanwhile, I'm trying on women's shoes.

Yeah, you dress.

You dress nice.

I'm living in the thanks, pal.

Yeah.

What's that about?

Yeah, what happened?

I like to care about how I dress and how I smell.

It's always been my M.O.

You like, you like, you actually wear women's shoes?

No.

Okay.

I'm just saying I do love the shop, and I it's very Italian.

If I didn't find something for myself, I jump into the women's section.

Yeah, the best.

It's a very, I strung that along way too far.

The joke itself.

I apologize.

Cut that.

The best part about very Italian men is that they're like, I'm alpha masculine, but they're just like right on the line of like

dressing

in high heels in like women's fashion.

Like, yeah, I like fashion.

Yeah, but dude, I'm not, I'm mostly Irish.

I'm like a WAP in sheep's clothing.

Yeah.

That's actually true.

You guys actually have a very complicated name to look up.

I'm sure you get this a lot, but when I was just Googling you guys to try to see what you guys were all about, I typed in O'Connor Pope, and the first like three pages was just Sinead O'Connor on it.

Oh, yeah.

Tearing up a picture of the pop.

That's it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

My real name is Tom Papa.

I had to change it because of Tom Papa.

Who's Tom Papa?

Comic.

He's like a big name comic.

Yeah.

Okay.

He's like Seinfeld.

That kind of sucks.

He cucked your name?

Yeah, but Tommy Pope's a strong name.

Tommy Pope rules.

He is.

Yeah.

I'm big.

Were your parents mad when you had to change it?

No.

I my dad gave me shit.

My mom still doesn't even know what I do, really.

Yeah.

She doesn't even know you changed your name.

The only thing she's ever complimented me on was getting on fucking Law and Order.

Of all the shit I've done.

What'd you play in Law and Order?

You're either a rapist or you stop a rapist.

Yeah, right.

Which one do you play?

You stopped

my Indian wife from getting raped.

Hell yeah.

My goddamn hero.

Hell yes.

That's my dream, actually, is to play the guy in Law and Order that finds a body at the start of the episode.

Yeah.

It's like five seconds and behind a dumpster.

What the hell?

You're going for a jog or something?

Yeah.

What's this?

That's what I was.

I was in the very

intro, intro only.

That's it?

Yeah.

I said.

Yeah.

But

I will say, that episode.

That's a wild, cold open.

Someone's trying to rape your wife.

Dude,

they run out of ideas.

I don't know if you ever seen Law and Order.

It's pretty hard.

And then you just never own it again.

But that episode gets watched a lot.

Not because of me, but it's like the actual episode itself is like pretty good, apparently.

So you get a nice residual?

I mean, the fact that I get residuals quarterly is hilarious.

Yeah, what is like 10 years ago?

What's the check?

I get like 10 grand every three weeks.

No.

You motherfucker.

No, it's like a few hundred bucks.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Do they pay more if you're a rapist or if you're a guy that stops?

Great question.

I'm going to call my agent.

There should definitely be like hazard pay if you get the rapist position.

Yeah.

They pay you double?

Yeah, that's going to be on your recognition.

Somebody recognize you're a fucking pig.

Yeah, exactly.

Because all these dumb, fucking drunk housewives really don't, they don't understand it's a fake show.

Yeah.

I fucking recognize you.

You raped somebody.

I can't believe they hired that rapist to be in a TV show on Netflix.

It does happen.

I still kind of hate Joaquin Phoenix from the Gladiator.

Really?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Russell Crowe.

Yeah.

I hated his character when I was like, again, I was like nine years old, and I hated him so much.

It's probably

when he's in movies now, I'm like, I don't like this guy.

Yeah, no, that's true.

When you hurt like a villain guy.

He doesn't have a redeeming character arc, right?

In any movie?

Signs, kind of.

I never saw that.

Yeah.

And Shyamalon.

Yeah.

He played Johnny Cash.

He played Johnny Cash.

He was great in that.

I never saw a character.

Yeah, I fucking love that dude.

He's an awesome actor.

But yeah, that is funny because it does stick in your your head if you see someone like a bad guy in one movie and you're like, fuck that guy.

Well,

you got to be typecast when you have that villain look.

Yeah.

He has such a fucking look.

Yeah, he does.

You can't be an everyday guy

making a woman swoon.

How was it?

He was in her.

Yeah, sure.

Fucking a robot.

I fell for that guy.

That really tugged in the heartstrings.

So how, in terms of acting, how was it acting on tires?

Were there ever moments where you're like, fuck, I'm not like up up to everyone else's standard here?

Yeah, the whole time.

Okay.

Yeah, the entire time.

You were just like, how many, do you guys do a lot of takes?

No.

I love that.

I feel like it wouldn't be a big take show.

Well, this show is about Chain,

and also his genius is just improving.

So

you just watch him go off kind of thing.

Right.

There's other characters that are just like...

just line items to get the story pushing.

Yeah.

There's not really much room for.

And there was just the thing where that

those episodes were shot on like a pretty insanely tight schedule.

Yeah, really?

So, yeah, yeah.

So, they were moving.

Yeah, McKeever's genius is trying to keep everything fucking, you know, you have deadlines for like where are we at at this time, how much do we need to shot, and you have a shot schedule every morning going, this shot's getting done by you know 11 a.m.

We got to, after lunch, we got to get this next shot done by 12:30, 4.

You know, our guy Francis is in it.

Oh, he is?

Yeah, and Stavi's in it.

He's fantastic, yeah.

Yeah, he's cool, he's a great dramatic actor.

Yeah, yeah.

Are there any legendary stand-up comedians, really, really talented stand-up comedians that just can't act?

Is it like a totally different skill set all the time?

1 million percent.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I'm not going to say name, but yes, they're objectively

bad.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It does feel weird that.

I'll tell you off air, who I've seen do stuff, and it's like, woof.

But I do feel it goes in the opposite direction more.

Like, I feel like comedians become serious, like really good serious actors more than a serious actor becomes agreed.

Yes.

Outside of like Jeff Daniels.

1 million percent.

Yes.

Yeah.

Wait, Jeff Daniels was

serious.

We're watching it right now.

We just started re-watching it.

What?

He's in a bunch of like.

Yeah, yeah.

No, I know.

Yeah, he's also in like dumb and dumb.

Oh, yeah, that's true.

Yeah, yeah, you're right.

Yeah, but Jeff Dan Daniel's like,

what's it called?

Godless.

Godless.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Seen him in Godless?

No.

Dude, dude.

He's so fucking good.

He's a great actor.

Yeah.

But yeah, there's a ton.

It's more like exactly how he put it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You can take him off stage.

You're like, you can't act.

Unless it's them.

A lot of those guys

are so successful.

They play themselves.

Yes.

Yes.

Or some version of themselves.

That didn't work.

That's a great point.

That is a dream.

That would also be so embarrassing, though, if you sucked at playing yourself.

Yeah.

The red light comes on.

You just, yeah.

Yeah.

You're like, I don't know.

I can't do this.

Got to be.

Yeah, they're like, be sad.

I'm capable of being that.

You're sad, right?

It's like, do what you do.

And you're like, what do I do?

Yeah.

That is like, I mean, we get.

What do you think I am?

At parsley, we get

tell me what I am.

Start trying to help me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's a sect of fans.

Give me some stuff of mine I can watch to be.

There's a sect of our fans that think that

everyone in this fun factory is like acting.

It's like, do you know how hard that would be?

Yeah.

We have the weirdest people.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like they're all themselves.

Yeah, you'd be making, yeah, you'd be making blockbuster movies.

Yeah, right?

Best movies of all time.

They also just don't know how much content is required to get the good stuff.

Right.

Yo, we're taping all the time.

Dude, yeah, we'd be here four fucking hours.

Yeah.

There's going to be, you're going to see 45 minutes of stuff.

Yeah.

It's like, do that for eight hours a day.

Yeah.

I think something funny will happen.

You're going to see the full four hours.

Gosh.

You better brace yourself.

Yeah.

Cut the basketball.

For that fucking.

Yeah.

Yeah, you were.

Your anger came out.

So what, so you guys, part of your relationship and the why the podcast works, you guys bicker all the time.

You told me a story about the chicken nuggets.

What's the other biggest fight you guys have been in?

Because I just love the fact that you guys bicker.

And then I think the best part about what you guys have going is that you bicker and you know that you're not holding it like to the next day.

Because that's, it's not fun if it was anger that stayed.

Yeah.

People would be like, I don't want to watch this.

It's very funny when it's like a hundred, like zero to a hundred anger and then right back to zero.

Well, the funny thing is that if you do bring it up again, we get mad again.

So what the chicken finger thing came up again, I like, we were both upset.

So,

what's another one that, like, had just like pissed you guys off?

Dude, I think it's just like, you know, it's a

husband-wife relationship, especially when you're living together.

Who's the husband?

Don't you start?

I mean, I have my idea of who the husband is.

You guys want to see the money?

He would be the husband because I'm caretaker.

Okay.

I know what you're going to say.

No, no, that wasn't what I was going to say.

Okay, what are you going to say?

That is the best way to say that.

I was going to say, Chris is the husband because he fucks you in the ass all me.

Oh.

Yeah.

I wish there was a payoff for the hell we go through.

I wish

you bopped around.

I played sports all day.

I meant sexually.

Oh.

Bopping around my prostate.

There isn't?

I've never coming on your belly thinking of me.

Well, you just ruined that.

Have you guys ever kissed?

No.

No.

We kissed.

You want to try it now?

No, I don't.

Every year on our birthday.

We get all of our guests to kiss.

Every year on your birthday, you guys kiss?

He was born on January 30th.

That was January 31st.

Same year.

Passing of the torch.

Birthday kiss.

Yeah.

I like that.

Now, why did you ever thought about kissing your cousin?

What?

Straight lips.

It's honestly kind of weird if you haven't thought about kissing each other.

No, I'm repulsed.

What do you mean, thought about it?

This is like when people ask you to think about suicide.

It's like, well, yeah.

Of course.

Yeah.

Thought about it.

Well, yeah,

never thought about it.

Yeah, yeah.

I've, yeah.

My brother brother asked me that in six.

A lot of things I fancy.

He was in eighth grade.

He asked me, he's like, what do you mean you don't think about suicide?

I was like, what?

I was like, how?

Why would you think about suicide?

Then you get older.

You're like, I've thought about 20 different ways I'd kill myself.

Yeah, you're not making a plan.

No.

Just like

that.

It's like standing on top of a high building and being like, what have I jumped?

Dude,

it doesn't have that ultimate.

Would you rather?

And I don't want to do it that way.

Would you rather continue on with this charade or would you

tomorrow the ultimate nap

finally get rest I yeah like or the the you know you see a cop in in line like in a donut shop you're like what if I scream oh oh yeah yeah 100% yeah this would be sick the imp of the perverse no to be honest to go back to that question

it was it was a perfect storm at that moment I mean, we still bicker about everything, but like the perfect storm of living together.

Right.

Then you're getting into into like lifestyle differences.

Then you're getting into, there's so many elements of pressure like work or like fucking stand-up.

And then you just, all that shit just builds.

It's a pressure cooker.

And eventually something's going to pop off, whether it's about a fucking chicken finger.

It's really not.

It's about frustrations around life.

Right.

Yeah.

And if you're only around one dude the whole fucking time, that person's going to get it.

It's why you and your girlfriend always fight about it'll be fucking Chardonnay, but it's not about Chardonnay.

It's about your breath while you were fucking three years ago it could be anything it could be absolutely anything and i think a healthy relationship requires a bunch of that yeah so has the podcast gotten better since you guys moved out from each other no i think it's pretty much the same same yeah yeah we see do you guys miss it though like living together because like that is obviously like having that moment where you're like oh man i think you miss living with my guy being held accountable because a lot of times you know what i mean you like think you're changing your life but nothing's really changed yeah so on on the pod, you're like, I'm doing this now.

And when you're living together, the other person can go, no, you aren't.

Yeah.

100% not doing that.

Yeah.

I see it every day.

Yeah.

When you're living apart, you can be like, no, I've been at the gym every day, 9 a.m.

Cleaning now.

Yeah.

That's a good point.

Yeah.

You're like, no, I see.

No, but I don't, the missing thing is like we see enough of each other.

If it was just a podcast and then I didn't see them, it's like we are best friends.

So it's like we go, we see each each other almost every day anyway.

Yeah.

So it's nice having the break.

Nice having a.

There's also a weird thing.

I don't know if you guys run into this where it's like when you're not talking on microphones now, you're like, don't talk to me.

Yeah, no, yeah.

Save it for

don't tell me a hilarious thing that yeah.

Yeah, it's not.

Oh, always.

I mean, it monetizes it.

The thing is always.

We stream so much now, we're like, we're watching the games and we're usually on some sort of a live stream.

So when that happens, you can't like, you can't save anything that you want to say at the time.

Of course.

You have to, like, I mean, yeah, the difference between how intimate and cool this show is right now than having a panel of eight dudes talking about what they did last week.

I'd rather get all this shit off my chest about how we bicker.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Having something intimate and like tell a story.

Right.

As opposed to live streams, tough.

That's like a, that's a, that's hard.

Yeah, live streams are tough.

That is hard.

And we do that all Sunday too for like football games and stuff.

Crazy, dude.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So what we do is typically if it's within like 10 minutes of the show and we're talking, we're talking about the games, if we start to like hit something that we get excited about, we're like, okay, let's just stop.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Save it.

Yeah, save all this.

Do you guys get also the weird one that we get is like, whenever you're anywhere, they're like, hey, where's PFT?

Like

I was in France

on vacation with my wife, and a guy was like, hey, where's PFT?

Yeah.

Like, what do you, yeah, yeah.

I'm in fucking France on vacation.

Yeah, yeah.

Like people in their head are like, they're just always.

You didn't get him a room?

What the fuck?

Yeah.

Then you stop and think and a teardrop.

Yeah, you're like, where's he?

Where is he?

You start FaceTime, like, where is he?

It's home alone.

He snaps up like Catherine O'Hara.

Oh, my God.

I love that.

I get that in bars sometimes.

If it's like midnight or later, they'll be like, where's Big Cat?

I was like, he's probably with his children.

Yeah,

I've been asleep since 10 o'clock.

And I got to get up at 6 in the morning.

It's also funny that

when you do talk, it winds up just being about stuff you can't say.

Yeah.

so then it's just this dark yeah yeah three minutes of the n-word

just the party one i kicked a toaster by accident furious yeah oh but what are you doing you stubborn dope

it's awesome for you guys the uh it's cool to see like the success and like i yeah i mean doing a podcast with one of your best friends is like it's fun it's a fucking dream job

we get to do this every day yeah yeah it's a joke yeah it's like but it is a talent i will say like going through it it's a lot of work i get i still have imposter syndrome all the time where I'm like,

am I interesting?

Oh, good.

You should have

been recently.

Right.

I'm like, I'm not interesting.

I just got lucky.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, I got lucky time and place, like, everything fell together.

Yeah.

Because I'm like,

I'll listen to myself back.

I'm like, you're a fucking moron.

Yeah.

Yeah, of course.

But it is corny as hell when people like reach out to you saying, like, you literally make my life better.

Yeah.

No, the best.

Those are the best.

That's pretty cool.

You didn't kill yourself?

Yeah.

Nice.

Yeah.

That went up on the wall.

Yeah, you you wanted to hear what we had to say about the bengals versus the texans cool yeah that's awesome

kept you for another day on this earth still wind up just going like man i should probably just start taking this more seriously

i didn't realize i was saving lives out there yeah do you guys prep for your shows no never you just sit down yeah there's never even a conversation about it Really?

You just sit down, press record, record, let's go.

And it's usually Chris going, he hits record on the box and goes, all right.

And then we just start talking.

I don't know.

I feel like anytime you prep, it winds up coming out

inauthentic.

Yeah, yeah, feeling prepped.

Yeah.

Or you wind up getting mad because like you had and I prepped a thing and then you say it and the conversation doesn't set you up the way you want it to be set up.

Even if you internally prep, it's like, I always forget the story that happened.

Like on the road or something.

Like that guy falling asleep on the toilet in Cleveland.

Oh, yeah.

And I was like, oh, oh, at the very end of the podcast.

Like, even when you have a chunk to burn, burn,

this will be 10 minutes.

Yeah.

Funny as fuck.

Do you think it would just start like that?

He's like, no, you just start with normal colours.

And it's better when it comes up to the ooh-ooh moment.

Yeah, but I always forget.

And then you just go, ah, fuck.

And then you just never say it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right, I had one last question.

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All right, so this has been awesome.

Everyone go check out Stuff Island.

They're on the road.

Yeah.

I don't know when we're going to air this, but you can go check out their dates.

I think they're doing, you guys are doing an East Coast swing soon.

Yeah,

the next week.

New York.

Yeah.

Connecticut.

29th through the 6th.

Yeah.

Albany, Boston, Providence,

Portland,

and then we're going west.

And then watch tires.

Everyone's going to watch tires.

Yeah.

So I guess that's my last question.

Like, I feel like this show is going to be a monster, monster hit.

Do you, have you guys had that date circled?

Like, oh, shit, when this date happens,

now things might be a little different.

It's funny.

Somebody asked Chris that on the, on this, asked both of us when we do the dual mic on the, on our set.

So we do our shows, there's stand up for both of us and then we come out on dual mics and then we just at the end we're like you got any questions for us and one kid asked that he was like do you do you foresee like a dramatic life change are you excited for the 23rd it's like i i don't know i'll speak for myself it's like oh it's another thing it's another thing that's but it might not be i'm not ready for the thought process yet it's like you know read into the turf yeah i'm trying not to read into the turf situation right you're thinking about hopefully yeah yeah prepare yourself for suicide.

Yeah.

But it is crazy to think about that it could be like that could be a moment where you look back 10 years from now and you're like for sure.

That was the change right there.

I think you wind up also just like being concerned about other things.

You're like

stand-up and is the podcast good?

And you're like, it would suck if this thing popped off and then we sucked at the other stuff that you want to be good at.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, there's finally got some attention and then everyone's like, man, their stand-up sucks.

Yeah.

This guy's

trampoline jump wasn't even that high.

That is the worst feeling being like, if more people find out, those might be the people that are going to hate me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Maybe everybody.

I'm waiting for that too.

Yeah.

To like the show to totally take off and everyone be like, but that one guy fucking hate me.

Oh, no.

I'm thinking about it.

Like, that is.

Yeah.

All right.

That will happen.

You never know.

That won't happen.

It'll be killed off.

Yes.

Still have to hang out with your best friend.

First episode of season two is a slip and fall.

Shane runs you over with a car.

Oh, man.

Philioto.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, thanks, boys.

Yeah, appreciate you stopping by.

Yeah, great.

Thanks for having us.

You guys are going to do some cooking with Donnie tomorrow too.

So you can check out what's for lunch.

You guys have a great cooking show as well.

Yeah, look at the look dish.

Oh, yeah.

Check out the Patreon.

Yeah, go to patreon.com/slash stufffiling.

Oh, I should have said the Patreon.

Yeah.

How much are we making off the Patreon?

Don't worry, people.

Doing good.

We are.

Doing good.

Tell me how much we're doing a lot.

Every cent helps.

How much are we going?

We're doing all right.

I can't tell you that.

Is this public?

Yeah, it is public.

The number?

No, that's okay.

Yeah.

Okay, we work our dicks off.

We're doing good.

Everyone subscribe to the Patreon show.

It's $5 for four extra hours of our podcast.

Love that.

$10 for four extra hours of the podcast plus a shitload of cooking every month.

Love that.

We're up to like 35 episodes of our cooking show.

It's like an hour and a half between

a half hour to an hour and a half of us showing you, me showing you how to cook.

Are you a trained chef?

Trained cook?

Huh?

Are you like a trained cook or is it just like learning how to do all?

No, I learned.

Yeah, I'm self-trained.

Yeah.

We can tell.

I can cook.

I think that is kind of the beauty of the show.

Yeah.

Is that it's plausible recipes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We're just showing, it's like elevated recipes that anybody can do.

It's things you would never think you could possibly do.

And I show you process, how to do it all, this is the simplistic process.

What's your best dish?

If we said we want one, I want to be like, hey, Tommy, if you give me a dish and it's the best I've ever had, I'll give you a million bucks.

Dude,

oh, I'm not going to lie,

we didn't have an idea, and I was like, you should make General So's chicken, General Sow's chicken.

And Tommy made it.

It was the best fucking General Cho's chicken.

Oh,

it was really good.

It was fucking humble.

I don't know if it's probably your favorite, but holy shit.

I will say, like, in terms of dishes where

ease of

making it for anybody

and the result being mind-blowing, it's like a short rib Ragu or Lambshank Ragu with risotto.

Okay.

Where, like, if you looked at that dish, you'd be like, I can't do this, dude.

I don't even cook.

It's like, I'll show you exactly how to do that.

It's a panty dropper.

It's like a great date night cook that is just

one pot after after you do all the prep, let it do its own thing, and then fucking see what happens.

Seems fancy.

Short rib just seems fancy when you see it.

Yeah, yeah.

I wouldn't have to cook.

You're just searing off meat, cooking it with a mirepoix, and then putting it wine, beef broth, some herbs, putting the pot into the oven, letting it cook for four hours.

I want this.

I'm gonna check it out.

Dude, it's fucking incredible.

I'll cook for you.

The general shows.

That amazes me.

It's a power thing.

I didn't know that you could cook this for a second.

I didn't think I could just go into a Chinese restaurant.

Only they have the machine.

I know.

It takes a a proper walk, too.

I got a walk on Amazon for 30 bucks.

It was fucking incredible.

It fucked me up, to be honest with the generals.

Because I kind of thought the same thing when we made it, it would either be exactly

regular, whatever, or gelatin diet, or worse.

We'll make it with pure ingredients that replace the dog shit and filler that these Chinese locations.

I do like MSG, though.

MSG is

you can buy that on your own.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You can buy all that.

And that is easy to make.

Yeah, that was easy.

Yeah, yeah.

It was crazy easy to make.

It's literally just rice and you like throw some chicken and flour, basically.

All right, so check out the Patreon.

Yeah.

Thank you, boys, for stopping by.

Appreciate it.

Yeah, good luck with tires.

Thank you.

I mean, Tommy, this is probably the start of like an incredible career.

And Chris, everyone's going to hate your character.

I shouldn't have put that into the universe.

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Hank, you want to start us off?

Firefest?

Yeah,

I'm going to be a big man here.

Whoa, I did

Hank Lockwood.

What has he ever done?

I could not talk about it.

I could run away.

He slept in.

I got banged.

Oh, whoa, way.

Hey, man.

Hank, did you turn around and look back at it?

As hard as I've ever been

by one of my own,

Nick Fasoli.

He works here.

Camera guy.

Oh, yeah.

I forgot about this clip.

This is my first time.

We put this clip out.

Yeah, yeah.

No, no, no.

Because people will be lost if they don't know the clip.

Fuck with the clip in the middle.

That's what I'm saying.

Other people run away.

Big cat and PFT, they would like pull the fucking big dick card and cut everything and be like, you know, we're not putting this out there.

When have we ever done that?

Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Henry Lockwood.

Dan.

You have literally

an entire career.

George Brett, I was naked.

They basically made it look like I was.

You're comparing me being naked.

Well, you're about to ask me when you've ever done it.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

That was also seven years ago.

And it was also, I was literally naked.

You want to put that out?

Fine.

Fucking put it out.

I'm just saying.

I'm just saying.

I'm just saying.

You have made a living.

A living.

A great living.

Drives naughty.

Off of taking bad pictures, bad angles, bad everything of me.

No.

Yes.

You just have bad

fucks on me.

Okay, and you put them out.

I'm like, all right, fine.

But I don't do it intentionally.

I can't believe you.

He just tried to say me being naked by accidentally peeping

tomming ourselves with a GoPro is the same as you sucking Nikki Smokes dick.

So we are in the gambling cave.

We're talking.

I'm eating my lunch and me and Nicky Smokes are arguing.

He comes over to show me a clip.

And Fasoli, camera guy, had the camera angled.

He's much more than a camera guy.

Yeah, he's V.

Not for long.

He was angled perfectly where

you couldn't see that I was eating the food.

You could just see my mouth moving.

And Nikki Smokes was standing up over me.

So my mouth and head was at his abdomen section.

Not abdomen.

A little bit lower.

Whatever.

And

it's a horrible-looking video.

And then the second, that's why I got banged.

Because it's like for solely with one of my guys bossing.

Well, you didn't get banged.

You just got.

No, he knew what he was doing.

He knew what he was doing.

The camera stopped rolling.

He goes, oh, that's going to be a bad look for you.

And I was like, what the hell, man?

If you had literally just moved the camera two inches right, you would have, you know, seen the accurate portrayal of what was going on.

But I'm not going to hide it.

I'm just going to.

Wait, but he couldn't have done that because

you can't put you sucking his dick.

That's not what I was doing.

Hank, factor fiction.

The video did numbers.

It hasn't come out yet.

It's definitely doing numbers.

Are you a company guy?

That's.

Head of content.

I'm talking about it right now.

A non-company guy, a fraud, would run away from it.

I'm just going to embrace the numbers.

I'm just going to, you know, it is what it is.

But

it just hurts personally that one of my own guys did this to me because it was truly a bang job,

the likes of which I've never seen before.

I've never done something as bad to you guys as I got done in this scenario.

It does.

Factor fiction.

It does put new meaning to head of content.

I'm pretty sure I can find a ton of times you've done that.

Not intentionally, not where I was like, I'm going to purposely set this video up to make you look as bad as humanly possible.

You just happen to look bad.

Yeah, I don't think that's true.

It's great, great content.

It might be my favorite video ever.

It's crazy.

Wait, you wipe your mouth at one point, you go back in for more.

It's so, so good.

Crazy.

So, so good.

It's a shocking, shockingly crazy video.

And the worst part is like Vasoli literally could have taken one step to his right and it would have been a completely different video and he knew that and that's that's what hurts it's not the fire fist isn't that there's a video me looking like i'm sucking nicky smoke's dick it's that i got i got done dirty by by someone that was formerly one of my guys

well it sounds like it was good content yeah and that's but couldn't you make the argument that fasoli was actually just doing his job to the most viva No.

Yeah, he was.

No, we tried.

This is a funny clip that will, our job is to create moments that people want to to watch and be like, oh my god, Hank just sucked.

Nikki Smokes did.

Yeah, he did.

Wait a second, big cat.

I remember there was a time in stool streams when we were playing ping-pong, and I went to the corner to wipe off my glasses.

And I was facing the corner.

And as I was wiping my glasses off, I think Hank put the camera on me from behind, made it look like I was jacking off, and then turned it into a gif.

Interesting.

Those are factor fiction.

Those are fixed camera angles.

Factor fiction.

Those are factor fiction.

Those are fixed camera angles.

You, as a participant, knew where the camera.

Like, we didn't.

I didn't.

Ain't no fun.

I rabbit got

the same thing.

No, no, no, no, no.

It wasn't a handheld camera.

It wasn't like I.

It wasn't angled specifically.

There was nothing that was handheld in that video.

Either way, if you would like to see what it looks like for Hank to give head,

yeah, watch Viva.

Well, no, we put it in here.

But yeah, Hank gives.

It's actually a decent head.

I think it was pretty good.

We should get Joey and Pat on to rate the head.

Decent head.

The wipe in the mouth at the end.

Yeah.

And it just keeps.

That was courteous of you.

You don't want to have his cum all over your chin.

You do spill a lot on your own chin.

But yeah, I'm not.

It's a significant thing.

I embrace the content.

I'm not going to run from it, and I'm just not going to go online for the weekend.

It's what, like.

And fire for solely.

20, 30 seconds of Hank giving a blowjob.

Yeah.

Pip season.

Yeah, actually, if you say the only critique I have is I would think Nikki Smokes would last longer.

Yeah.

Well, Hank's that good.

Yeah.

The goat.

Yeah.

You did actually get a little of the balls there, too, right?

It's really good, Hank.

It's a good video.

It's a great video.

It's a great video.

It's tough.

Okay, PFT.

That's a good fire fest.

I'm not great for that.

I've had a pretty clean weekend.

Yeah, you run from all your shit.

What do you mean I run from my shit?

I don't know.

You run towards everyone with your mouth open.

Yeah, Hank's a first responder when it comes to giving blowjobs.

He hears the sound of a horny guy, and he runs towards the fire.

Oh, you got a hard dick?

I got you.

Probably, you probably, I mean, it's probably good protein to help dunk.

That's a good point.

Some extra protein.

Whatever it takes.

Good point.

If you got your dick sucked more often, then maybe you'd be chiller.

You wouldn't be so angry.

He's a giver, not a taker.

Also, Documentary Episode 2 is coming out.

I touched the rim.

Spoiler.

Did you suck anyone's dick?

No.

Okay.

Then I'm not watching.

That'll be out today as well.

Do you think I can dunk by the time October comes around?

It's just like, it is a different meaning to dunk.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anything?

Got any more?

Empty the clip.

No, that's it.

Holiday week.

Did you imagine that his penis was a lighthouse?

Nope.

Can someone make it?

Oh, he's eating tacos, all right?

Can you make me?

I'm trying to eat my fucking lunch.

That's not easy.

I was defending Rico Bosco eating tacos, and it's turning into...

Meme, Hank, that's not what eating tacos is.

Isn't he a gobbler?

Memes, yeah, I don't think.

Wait, is Nikki Smokes

Latina?

No, I don't think so.

I don't think so either.

So it wouldn't be tacos.

Well, either tacos.

It was Liguini.

It was Taco Tuesday.

It implied Taco was.

Yeah, the opposite, yeah.

Memes, can you, you know, the old gif of Blake Bortles turning into a goat?

Can you just make that, but it's Nancy Reagan turning into Hank?

Yeah, like that.

That's good.

That's good.

Maybe Photoshop his head onto Heather Brook.

That would be good, too.

Oh, shit.

Oh, Hank.

I love it.

Yeah, but we don't even have to do another Firefest.

Yeah.

That was great, Hank.

Yeah, I probably should have said it on the show, but I'm not.

No, you didn't.

You're not running from it.

You're not running from it.

You're not running from its context.

It's hard to run when you're on your knees.

I wasn't on my knees.

I was sitting.

Maybe we'll get Bill Clinton on the show finally.

Yeah.

You'd love that.

Would I?

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm a big Bill Clinton guy.

All right, so PFT, what is your Fire Fest?

My Fire Fest, it's just in general

for humanity, something to be on the lookout for.

There's a recent trend that's starting to go viral, and I think it's going to happen more and more as the summer progresses.

It started last night at the Rocket City Trash Pandas game.

Rocket City Trash Pandas minor league baseball team, I believe they're Madison, Alabama, wore their hat actually the other day, ironically.

They had crowd shots of guys catching cicadas and eating them in the stands.

Oh yeah.

Cicada season.

And we're going to see more and more, I predict, this summer of just cicada catches, just people just grabbing a cicada and eating it on camera.

What's one of those years, right?

Yeah, where do they want you to eat the bugs?

This is the first step in eating the bugs is normalizing it.

Yeah, no, we will not eat the bugs, Hank.

Every

baby will eat 14 years.

Hank will be 17.

We will not eat the bugs.

Hank will eat anything.

Hank, they're going to try to get us to eat the bugs.

Then they're going to say, oh, we don't have any more steak anymore, but we have the bugs.

And we're all betas.

I'm opposed to eating the bugs, but I will drink the bugs because there's a Chicago Malort cicada shot.

Yeah.

And I'm a big fan of Malort.

Had it for the first time a couple years ago.

Drank it several times last summer.

I'm going to have to drink the bugs in the Chicago Malort shot.

I don't know if I'm going to even drink the bugs.

I will drink the mortal.

I don't want the government to have that over me.

I won't eat them.

Swallow them like pills.

Also, the spiders have come back to my.

What?

Remember?

Oh,

on your balcony?

No, they're holding you hostage.

I want revenge, yeah.

I'm actually scared.

Well, they heard about you, and they're like, well, Hank, I shoot a lot of white stuff out of my abdomen.

Maybe Hank will take care of me.

Yeah,

if the average person swallows eight spiders, how many think Hank does with that throat?

Yeah.

Fucking insane.

Do spiders have eight dicks?

I don't know, but Hank can find out.

Yeah, let us know.

Sound off in the comments, Hank.

All right, my firefighters.

I actually texted you guys this.

So my daughter's birthday was Tuesday.

Went to Chuck E.

Cheese.

Was in the zone, just being a dad with my daughter, just having a great time, just trying, she speedrun the whole Chuck E.

Cheese.

I think we tried every single little ride, toy, everything

in like maybe 15 minutes, just going ripping through it all.

And then all of a sudden, I have a woman who's like, hey, are you big cat?

And I was like, oh, shit, like, this is weird Chuck E.

Cheese.

I was like, yeah.

And then she pulled her eight-year-old son.

She's like, yeah, my son recognized you.

And I was like, oh.

And then the kid was like, yeah, my dad watches all your guys' stuff.

So I saw you and I knew who who you were.

And then I was stuck in that moment.

You know, when like when we see Stoolies out, it's awesome.

They're the best fans in the world.

But usually, you know, like, it's like, oh, hey.

And then maybe a couple quick combo, who you on tonight, whatever.

I, like, immediately went into like.

I was like, yeah, so like, what do you think about Caleb Williams?

To an eight-year-old.

Yeah.

And he was just like, yeah, I'm a Bears fan.

And then I took a picture with him.

Yeah, you can't say 90% of the stuff.

And then you think to yourself, is this kid listening to my podcast?

Yeah.

so the whole thing was just had me rattled.

Uh, but we are, that's one eight-year-old that will grow up to be.

So, shout out Rylan, Rylan, yeah, big shout out, yeah.

Hopefully, his dad's watching right now.

Love it, took a picture with him, yeah.

That's weird, yeah, eight-year-old, oh, you know, you know, I just thought of you remember the thing that we used to say that we don't say anymore.

Awesome, people are gonna start saying that to Hank.

Someone tried to say that to me when I was with my kids at a street festival on Saturday.

Oh, that's a shame, uh, whispered in my ear, which I appreciated the whisper, yeah, the whisper, But it also was like, what?

But you know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

This one over here.

Because Hank sucks dick.

It's going to come back.

Yeah.

So, I mean, you're literally talking to an eight-year-old right now.

No, we're not.

No, I already ended up respect.

Conversation ended with Violent.

Conversation ended with Violent.

Respect.

Hank at when someone comes up to you and says, Suck my dick.

Are you going to be like, sure?

No.

So we don't say that anymore.

Right.

But some people might, it's going to be tough to know who's an AWL and who just saw you in this video because maybe it's just like a gay person that saw your work.

Right.

And we can.

And they just really want you to.

You might have t-shirts made.

I don't.

My t-shirt about not sucking gay has a lot of people asking questions that are already answered by my t-shirt.

And we don't say that anymore, but do we do that anymore?

Yes.

I mean, do whatever you want.

Let your freak flag fly.

No, I'm saying.

I'm not here to judge.

I don't personally.

I just tacos in the gambling cave, but, you know.

Whatever floats your boat.

Yeah, should we actually talk to HR?

Hank was sucking someone off in the gambling cave?

In the middle of a Tuesday?

Yeah.

That feels a little

sexual harassment.

From who?

So all of us that had to watch you do that.

All right, then why are you going to tweet it?

That means you won't tweet it then?

Because it's sexual harassment?

Deal?

No, because I believe in speaking truth to power, and I think that anything done like that should be brought to light.

Standard already brought it to light.

Good.

You have.

No.

Yes.

So Soli has created this false narrative, and you guys are running with it.

So Soli was just doing his job.

Doing my job.

That smile.

God bless Sasoli.

Memes, you got a Fire Fest?

Fucking a Man.

But yes.

What?

Sucking a Man.

Sucking a Man.

Sucking a Man.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

I took a line drive to the foot in softball.

Oh, no.

What was that?

He was doing a meme.

He was trying to do a meme.

He shows him.

He was sucking a man.

Sucking a man was right there for you, memes.

Yeah,

I was holding

that one in.

I took a line drive to the foot.

Let us know when you're holding another one in because we don't want you to pass out.

Fucking a man.

You're fucking a man.

Also, Jake got shed on by a bird.

That's good luck.

It's very good luck, yeah.

Yeah.

Wait, you got hit by a line drive?

Yeah, same as you can.

Why did you fucking catch it?

Oh.

On the foot?

Yeah.

Wait, yeah.

Why did you catch it?

I was standing on second.

Oh, wait, so if you were standing on second, why'd you get called out?

Why didn't you jump?

I tried moving my foot and it moved it into it.

Reactionary.

It moved.

Yeah.

You control your feet.

Yeah,

my brain moved it, and I got smoked by it.

Oh, that hurts.

And we lost.

And we got smoked.

Well, you and Max weren't there.

I know.

So you guys might be the key to winning.

I think we are.

100%.

Well, maybe more the Max part.

I mean, I'm 2-0 on the mound.

Yeah, but Max.

I've seen you work on the mound.

You're a lot better than that.

That doesn't even make sense.

No, it does.

It does.

You don't know about the mound.

Yeah.

What mound?

Mound pubis.

Yeah, no, it makes no sense.

I also, I also, I also have a better idea.

It's literally an anatomical term.

A better batting average, yeah.

Than max?

I think so.

Memes?

How many balls in play?

I don't.

It's probably close.

Bappet, yeah.

What's your bappet?

What's your exit V-Lo?

Well, Hank hits a lot of triples.

He's always on third base.

Yeah.

Like that, Hank.

I don't.

I want you to say numbers, uh, numbers 20.

Did you go deep?

Max is not here, so 20 hitting would be the greatest thing ever.

Uh, I should probably switch it up, huh?

Actually, I should take a backup video so he can't think that this is edited.

All right, we'll go 33.

Look, I'm doing a backup video right here.

Let me go eight, okay, three.

Remember when Max never got this?

I texted Pug to come in.

Make sure to look away, big cat.

Come on, Pug

99, Pug.

That wasn't actually Pug, but that's what he's gonna say.

Shane, Pug, numbers.

99, Pug.

He said 99, Pug.

His mic was off.

His mic was off.

Shane.

21.

21.

Pug, say it again.

Pug, you want to talk about what you want to talk about?

Oh, yeah, I have something to ask of PFT and Big Cat.

Oh, no.

Not sure if they're going to say yes.

It's pretty serious.

Well, as long as it's not, you know, suck your dick, we'll be fine.

No, in the old, in the New York office, we had something that brought everyone together, and it was good camaraderie.

But we had a Blitz machine in the old office, and we don't have one here.

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yes.

No problem.

What does it mean brought everyone together, just brought you together with the machine?

Like the production guys, like

take a break, yeah.

That's

why are you nervous about asking that?

We got to get NBA Jam, too.

I don't know.

Oh, big buck hunter.

Yeah, let's see.

We got to get

the best.

Oh, a flight simulator.

Let's get a whole arcade.

Yeah, all of it.

That's all rolled into one.

Let's get VR goggles.

You put them on, and Hank sucks your dick.

All next time, Mr.

Pears Cage.

I'm going to have to make a

I'm going to have to ask AI Hank.

everyone say their numbers again just in case 20 33

99

21

75

Love you guys.

Oh, yeah, I already said we'll see you on Tuesday.

Love you guys.

Come on, Harry.

We wanna say goodnight to you.

Don't keep away.

I'll be both

the same and save anyway.

Today is a foundation to find you shine away.

I'll be coming for your love of dreams.

Take

on

me.

Take

me

on.

I'll be

gone

whenever of change

to say

I'm hard to say it's for a meeting still a little bit

say unto me

Listen better to the safe and solid take

on

me

Take

me

I'll be

gone

in a damn true

things that you say

these little I'm

just playing my word easily

You are the things I've got to remember You shine away

I'll become a new anyway.

Take

on

me.

Take

me

on.

I'll be

gone

without day.

I'll be

gone

in a day.

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