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Awesome interview. And then we have our good friend Brian Windhorse on to talk NBA, a little preview of the conference finals.
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Today is Wednesday, May 22nd, and the Boston Celtics survive game one in overtime and they win one that what was that I was doing two I was I was doing two was the twos for the two was they needed to win this one because game two is coming up and the Celtics never win game twos that was um Hank you have to say that was like one of those ones where we shouldn't have won that game, but we did.

No, it was a huge.

It was a wake-up call win, which are the best types of wake-up calls.

Yeah, well, you guys needed.

It sounds so weird because they needed wake-up calls.

That game felt like it was over, and then they took their foot off the gas in the third quarter,

and all of a sudden, Halliburton hits that crazy bank shot to end the quarter.

You're like, wait, this is a fucking one-possession game.

What's going on?

Yeah, even in the second quarter, they were up a lot, and they kind of blew the blew the lead going into halftime they tied it up i mean that's been the celtics team for the last you know three four five years is is being really good getting up taking their foot off the gas always always close games no matter what but they overcame they they were stumbling at the at the end of the fourth quarter a couple really bad turnovers. Jalen Brown was not playing good in the fourth quarter, and then he came up clutch when it mattered most.
It was a crazy shot that he hit, too, and it felt like the Celtics had the game in hand. They were up by three points.
They had the ball. The Celtics had missed a couple.
Pacers had the game in hand. Pacers had the game in hand.
Celtics had missed a couple three-point shots to try to tie the game up. Pacers advanced the ball past half court.
Boneheaded turnover. Celtics get another crack at it.
And then Jalen Brown's three felt like it was off balance. It felt like it had no chance at all in going in.
It went in, and at that point, it was like all the momentum shifted because the Pacers had the game won. Yes.
And they gave it away. And when you give a game away like that in the last 20 seconds,

it feels like even if it goes into overtime,

there's nothing good that's going to happen to you.

Yeah.

Our guy Stathole just texted me.

He said both teams tonight had a 98% chance to win the game in regulation.

Neither team won it in regulation.

That's pretty crazy.

But, yeah, that was –

Those things are always so –

Yeah, no, they –

But they're fun to just look at and be like, oh, man. Unless you're a Falcons fan and the Pacers I thought the Pacers were going to come out flat in this game because they just played a game 7 on Sunday two days rest or one day off and being like alright now you got to jump into the celtics they just kept fighting kept

making shots they're just keep shooting like i they cooled off towards the end but there was a moment in this game where they were shooting like 58 again you know insane and uh i mean they look at least like they're in this series their games their games should have won this game their game seven was also like half of the game seven yeah because they put that away early so it's not like they had to fight for an entire game against the Knicks.

But I was surprised that they were able to hang in there for as long as they did. I thought at the end of this game, when the Celtics ended up winning, I thought that the Pacers might be able to build off it.
But then I just thought for a little bit longer. And this seems like the most demoralizing loss possible.
Well, it also was weird because it was, if you remember the last sequence, I thought it was going to happen on the Derek White rebound where he had that incredible rebound and was just out hustling everyone, and they kick it out, and Jason Tatum misses a shot, and then the Pacers get the ball back, and you're like, now it is officially over. The thing about the Pacers is they're really good offensively, right? They can score a shitload of points, but if it's a close game, they panic.
They just smash the panic button. They freak out, and their coach was terrible taking his timeouts.
Rick Carlisle didn't do shit in the last minute of that game that he should have done. I also think Pascal Siakam, like he got stuck in this spot.
Jalen Brown can't hit free throws. Hank, you've been talking about it all year.
It bothers you. You get scared when he goes to the free throw line.
I just, like in that situation, I'm not a big follow-up three with eight seconds left and more like follow-up three with five seconds left and under. But when Jalen Brown gets the ball, it's like it felt like Pascal Siakam was about to foul and then he realized, oh shit, he, he's going to shoot, and then didn't get a hand in the face, and then you get that, which was an incredible shot by Jalen Brown.
And Jalen Brown, he hit the shot. He had two free throws at the end of the fourth quarter, and he kind of forced a turnover.
And he went left. Yeah.
He was dribbling with his left hand. What happened? Gutsy win.
What happened to Jason Tatum in the fourth quarter? He scored 10 points in overtime, which is the most points. I said fourth quarter.
I mean, he missed open shot. Shooters are going to miss shots.
Yeah. He did get the – he was awesome in the open.
Jalen Brown had a bad beginning in the fourth quarter, like in that middle period where the Pacers kind of took the lead. That was – he had a bad turnover, bad couple shots.
I think a couple turnovers. Jason Tatum missed a couple shots.

They brought it back.

This is the ultimate game for the Celtics, too,

because they got choked to an inch of their life,

and then they were able to breathe through it, maintain their composure.

Missoula's doing this, and he's probably loving every second of it on the sidelines.

Yeah, it was a loss.

It felt like a loss.

The players felt like they lost it.

They had that feeling of, like, oh, fuck, I can't believe we lost it at home. We had the lead.
We choked. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I've been trying not to do that. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
No, but you're right. A wake-up call and a win is a pretty good wake-up.
Yeah. The only thing you could say positively for the Pacers is that this same thing happened to them in the Knicks series.
That game won, they got screwed, and that was a very winnable game, and they still won that series well we were saying if if the pacers had won this game boston loses every game too across all sports and then the pacers haven't lost at home since what march 18th march 18th so this you were staring down the barrel of a sweep if you didn't win tonight our now on the other side of the bear yeah now you're on the other side of the barrel now who's got the gun on the other side of the barrel. Now who's got the gun? Our good friend John Feidelberg, I thought, had the best tweet about Jason Tatum.
I love fights because whenever the Bruins get bounced from the playoffs, he just switches to Celtics. He said, after watching one Tatum game, I'd like to loudly agree with people who think he's the best player in the league.
I also agree with people who think he's a bum. I think that's put perfectly.
Yeah, that's Carl Anthony Towns. Jason Tatum is just how you look at him.
Yeah. Hank, here's the thing.
Jason Tatum is really good, but he's also a star player. That's what happens.
He had 10 points in overtime. I understand the fourth quarter.
Star players get criticized. If Luka puts a dud tomorrow night, we're going to talk about Luka putting up a dud tomorrow night.
But still be like, oh, he's the best player in the world. I mean, I just said Jason Tatum's a fucking incredible player.

But it's always the but.

It's always Jason Tatum. You know what?

You know why?

I'm running this through the Hank translator right now.

Hank is getting so defensive about this because Jason Tatum has never won anything.

That's why he's defensive of it.

Nothing but success.

But if Jason Tatum was like an NBA Finals MVP and you were questioning what he did in the fourth quarter, Hank would be like, yeah, he's got to show up there. But because he's Hank's guy and hasn't won anything yet, Hank has to be like, you shut your mouth.
He's my special baby. I think Jason Tatum is really fucking good.
If you have a really fucking good player, I just want him to take over games. And ice the game out overtime.
Overtime was great. Fourth quarter, the reason why the Pacers were even in that spot was like, there was multiple times, it was like, Tatum, do it.
Go take it. He did it.
That layup he hit where TJ McConnell was basically trying to tackle him. It was all strength.
There you go. I feel like you just only listen to the bad things I say about him.
It's not you. It's just everyone.
Yeah, but also, you remember that turnover? I'm not going to say it. I can't say bad things.
There's a bad pass off the pick. I can't even exist with Jason Tatum thoughts.
Got to communicate better than that, Jason. I can't even exist.
Hank, just when we talk about Jason Tatum, picture in your brain that he's already won in NBA Finals and then try to absorb it through that filter. I think that's pretty fair.
He hit 36 tonight. 10 points in overtime.
What did he do in the fourth? He hit 10 minutes where he didn't score a point. It's fine.
They won the game. Who cares? That's what I'm saying.
Before the game started, Jason Tatum, 36 points, 10 points overtime. Celtics win.
Discourse is somehow going to be he didn't show up in the fourth quarter. How is that possible? I just asked a question about the fourth quarter.
I said, what about the fourth quarter? We're process guys, not results guys. That's facts.
And you know that. I'm a bottom line guy.
I'm a stat ticker. So if you guys hadn't won this game, what would you have said? It was bad.
It was bad. It would have been bad.
Okay, that's fair. You know what? That's fair.
That's a completely fair thing. I think Jason Tatum's really good.
It would have been bad for, again, both of them played bad in the fourth quarter. But then Jalen Brown saved the game, and Jason Tatum carried them in overtime.
That's all you can ask from your two best players. All right, so game two, what do you think? Prediction? Blowout.
Wake-up call. Which way? Celtics.
Oh. Wait, wake-up call and a blowout? No like they've been woken up yeah this was this was the perfect ending for you it was a wake up call win those are very hard to come by I know yeah really really hard to come by yeah that is truly when you have to be a bottom line guy a results guy is after a game like this.
How many fucking wake-up calls is this team going to get?

It's a wake-up call every fucking series.

The Pacers suck.

You haven't played anybody.

The Pacers fucking suck. How many times are you going to get...
How many fucking times

are you going to get woken up by a team that fucking

sucks? Max, you've seen how Hank likes

to sleep in. He did several wake-up calls.

I'm done with it. Jason Tatum played like dick

in the fourth quarter. He was horrible.
And then they were finally like, yeah, we're playing the fucking Pacers. The fucking Pacers.
It's like we spent the first 10 minutes of the show just like shaking up a carbonated bottle of Max and then just opening. He's also sitting in a, he's sitting in Memes' seat so we can't see him.
I had no idea and he's just, yeah, you're right. We just what we just did is we just we just fucked with mac macachusetts is dead he's dead it was a slow mo video putting a mentos in a pepsi can and just being like all right here we go and then he comes out and he thought so what he just said no i mean it's like again when you make it this far in the playoffs more games, so you have more opportunities for wake-up calls.
That's just simple math. That's a good point.
And Hank knows something about a wake-up call. Yeah.
Yeah. Sometimes you need several.
Yeah, I mean, this is the first time you've played a team who actually has their best player. Yeah, and what happened? We won.
I guess Brunton. Actually, no, I'm all fucked up.
I'm all fucked up. Come back to it.
I'm all fucked up. Jared Allen is the best.
Donovan Mitchell missed games. Yeah, he did miss games.
Yeah, he did miss games. Yeah.
You're back on track. All right.
That game seven, Oilers-Canucks, I want to say, shout out Vancouver, did not riot. Did not riot.
It felt like Vancouver was coming back, though. It felt like they were going to tie it up in the third period after they got the second goal.
Yeah. It felt like it was going to happen, that barn was going to explode.
And it was the most dominating performance for the first 50 minutes of that game. Like, the shots were out of control.
The Oilers, every single time the Canucks got the puck in the Oilers zone, it was like they didn't get a good shot or they didn't get a shot, period. Even the first period, I know it was 0-0 after 1, but McDavid played 5 minutes and they killed a 4-minute penalty and you could just see, the Oilers are so much better.
But I agree, that last 4 minutes, you're like, oh shit, is this about to happen? Yeah, it felt like it might. But congratulations to Edmonton.
Canada marches on. I'm just glad that we have a Canadian team that's this far.
I want to see a Canadian team no matter what. I know, I know.
Yeah, yeah. But I'm glad that it's happening.
Yeah. Because when you watch this entire series, whether the game is being played in Edmonton or in Vancouver, the fans seem just way more amped up than most American fan bases.
50-50 raffle, they walk in the door, it's like 600,000. It's incredible.
It's nuts. They go absolutely apeshit for hockey, and I like watching it.
So I'm glad. I hope they get to the finals.
And I kind of just, for our own sake, I hope that Edmonton loses in the finals. Just for the storyline.
For the storyline. Just for the storyline.

Sorry, Canada.

That's not who they play.

If they play the Rangers, I don't think.

Yeah, if they play the Rangers, I'm going to be probably rude.

Although if the Rangers win, I will count that as like a Tom Wilson Stanley Cup.

Yeah.

Ooh, Edmonton, Florida would be fun for people writing stories

about how far they have to travel.

Yeah.

Edmonton to Dallas for the same conference.

That's a sneaky long trip.

Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is.
There's nothing I like more than talking about plane trips. Travel, yeah.
Yeah. We just stumbled into Warren Sharpe's Twitter.
Global warming, huh? Yeah. Who's got the most miles? All right.
Anything else before we do? Hati Kulteron, like I said, we have two awesome interviews, Xander Shoffley and Brian Windhorse. Anything else going on in the sports world today that popped up? Antonio Brown.
Oh, I guess maybe someone had that. Antonio Brown is bankrupt.
Yeah. Sad day.
Did you have that? All right. Let's just do Hot Seat Cool Throne because we've got more sports to talk about.
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Barstool Golf Time app now. My host is Antonio Brown.
Oh, why? What happened? He went bankrupt. Oh, no.
He cleared bankruptcy. So what's his career earnings? Let's look that up real quick.
A lot. Antonio Brown.
I'm going to guess $78 million. $89 million.
Okay, let's see here. I'm going to guess $94 million.
Because he wasn't obviously highly drafted. Someone said $79 million? Yeah, I said $89 million.
Because he wasn't obviously highly drafted. So he probably had to.

Someone said $79?

Yeah, I said $89.

I said $78.

What is it?

$80.7.

Ooh.

He has a bow track.

Ooh.

Nice, Hank.

So that means he spent $80 million?

Well, half for taxes.

True.

Well, he played in Florida.

Another 10%.

Well, only for a little.

For a little bit.

Very little.

And he lived with Tom Brady, so he probably saved some money there. 10% on agent fee.
Yeah. So now we're down.
He's basically, he was broke the second he got. Pretty much.
He stopped playing football. Played for free.
I forgot he was on the Raiders. Yeah, he played for free.
Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, the hard knocks.
Hot air balloon. Yeah.
So I hope that the bankruptcy court proceedings are like the last episode of Seinfeld, where they just bring out every single person that he has not paid money to over the years, whether it's any home contractor, anybody he's had do video work for him. It's like every six months for a while, people are just saying, yeah, I worked for Antonio Brown.
I was a chef, and he never paid me, and then he also sexually assaulted me. Yeah.
I hope they just bring him out one by one in this hearing and have him testify for him i also hope that ctespn is not part of this bankruptcy no that's why he started ctespn was so that those assets could not be touched by a personal bankruptcy got it yeah so smart savvy business move yeah he's part hank any thoughts on it no it's i feel bad ctespn yeah i mean he definitely has cte do you remember when he was just like jacking off in a pool like a year ago that was weird that's really strange yeah really really weird he's successfully done so much weird shit in the last three years has perfect that you completely forget about the next one that he does onto his perfect that one hit he really that was yeah i don't know where you can point to it and be like that was that was kind of where things changed all right who's your cool throne uh my cool throne is chet hanks and white boys shit that was mine too white boys on the cool throne white boys back up white boys what'd he say uh he well first he his dad texts him asking about the drake situation wait who's his dad tom hanks okay what's he been in um catch me if you can't that's the one you go with with tom hanks i feel like it's a saving private ryan or forrest gump forrest gump is the one one big right you've got mail big big is great it's good but what do you think philadelphia do you think the number one if you say tom hanks tom the movie and tom hanks tom hanks had nothing but success in the movie philadelphia Yeah. What would you think the number one, if you say Tom Hanks? Tom in the movie and Tom Hanks.
Tom Hanks had nothing but success in the movie Philadelphia. Yeah.
What would you say the number one Tom Hanks, if you pulled 100 people on the street, would it be Forrest Gump? Castaway would sneaky be hot. I think, has he done any voices in a kid's movie? Yeah, Toy Story.
Toy Story, yeah, Woody. Yeah, so it would be Toy Story or Forrest Gump, I think.
You've got mail. Sleepless in Seattle.
Saving Private Ryan would be big, too. Yeah.
People love... Catch Me If You Can.
Goated. Great movie, but he also is not the main character.
Yeah, no. Goated.
Goated. You think you could do that? Oh, yeah.
In the 60s? What about now? Probably not. There's, you know.
It was so easy. Innovation, yeah, innovation.
So easy to do crimes in the 60s. Oh, dude.
Like, 100 years ago, could you imagine? Just move across, move to the next town. You could murder anyone.
You'd just fucking kill someone and just be like, all right, I'm out. Yeah, you just get on a horse and you go like 20 miles and no one knows you.
Yeah. Wasn't he the first guy to get COVID? Who? Oh, he was one of them.
Yeah. He might've been under.
You remember when he was locked in that Australian prison? Fair. And he had to pretend that he was hosting SNL on a green screen.
I remember that first night. They said he had it and everyone thought like, oh my God.
Yeah. No, it was interesting.
Yeah. Yeah.
It was like a triple whammy of the NBA getting canceled, Rudy Gobert, and then Tom Hanks locked in jail in Australia. Yeah.

And that Georgetown-St. John's game.

I was 8-0-1 that week.

I was on fire.

He texted his son Chet, and he said, Big Maine.

This seems fake.

You think so?

Big Maine?

I guess he'd have to talk.

He's trying to relate with his son. He goes, Big Maine, the drake kendrick lamar feud to me and then chet hanks sent him like a two paragraph long text explaining and he said holy cow exclamation point these are fighting words people take inside who's winning uh so that was funny okay tom hanks is like who's winning son yeah is there a score is Is there a score tracker I can keep up with but then Chet Hanks came back the next day posted to Instagram said I've consulted with the heavens felt westward breeze walked outside of a strip club and saw my shadow this will be a white boy summer hashtag I have spoken let's.
This will be a hashtag WBSO.

What about City Boys?

Nothing about City Boys.

Are they up?

They are now.

White City Boys?

Okay.

City Boys up.

White Boys up.

Did you just learn that?

I did like eight hours ago.

You remember when he dropped that?

Did I use it correctly?

Yeah, like two years ago.

You remember when he put out that shirt?

What the fuck?

White Boys summer was two years ago.

Yeah, but Chad, it's back.

So who made it City Boys?

No, but that was- City Boys did. So bring it back, City Boys.
I think it's like- I just learned what it is. Bring it back, please.
Some white boys are City Boys, but not all City Boys are white boys. Got it.
And all white boys are going to have a good summer. Yeah.
Remember that shirt that you put out that has The most racist font ever On the back of it? It was like the calligraphy That was a great shirt that he did White boys Do you remember that shirt though? I do He had a whole line He did his workout where he would just do burpees And then for some reason just hit His dick muscles Remember hit like the v muscle every time he was he's he tried to i think he tried to sue us because of the uh nick and kb thing i didn't know nick and kb did something with him and then they got his number and then we called him on the yak i think tommy smokes tried like said something to him and he's like i didn't know i was live alive. I'm going to sue you guys.
Sounds like he's got a fair great. Yeah, I mean, it was Tommy's fault.
So if Tommy wants to get sued, he can get sued. Has he been in anything recently? He's in your honor.
Yeah, he was good in your honor. Chet? Yeah, he played like a crackhead.
Yeah. Did a really good job.
He was very good. White boys up.
City boys.

White boys summer, city boys up.

Got it.

White boys up.

Does that play?

I don't know.

White boys summer's better.

Yeah, I agree.

White boys up is, yeah.

Okay, good call.

City boys summer?

Good call.

Yeah.

I guess.

Okay.

You just let us know.

Okay.

We should ask Chet. Yeah'll i'm on well uh yeah yeah we'll i'm on group week sure yeah yeah all right bft um my hot seat is the guy who had bryce harper ask a girl to prom for him did you see that yes so the bryce harper goes with a guy in Philly, right?

Philly kid goes to a girl's door.

They knock on the door and Bryce Harper helps this kid ask the girl to prom for him.

The girl is just thrilled that Bryce Harper is on her doorstep.

She says yes somewhere in there.

And then after she says yes, she goes and immediately gives a big hug to Bryce Harper right afterwards.

And it was interesting because I guess mission accomplished, right? Yeah. You got Bryce Harper in there, but now did she say yes just because she wanted to give Bryce Harper a hug? Yeah, I mean, you can't bring Bryce Harper to, like, your crush's house.
Right. Be like, please go on a date with me.
Please have Bryce Harper objectively very good looking guy really good at baseball even though the Phillies have been playing the Savannah Bananas every night uh and then just like yeah but it's me I'm you're going to problem with me not Bryce Harper yeah you don't want to stand next to somebody way more attractive than you when asking such an important question. Right.
Right.

I don't know, but I guess it worked.

So good job.

Yeah.

Max, what do you think about this?

Weird?

No, all-time good guy Bryce Harper.

Philly just appreciates Bryce Harper,

and obviously she was thankful for Bryce Harper to come and be part of her promposal.

So she was saying, thank you, Bryce Harper.

This is something I'll remember for the rest of my life, and i'm gonna go spend the rest of the rest of my time with this lovely man who got bryce harper to come to my doorstep wishing it was bryce harper that's not true wishing he was that's not true bryce harper is just a very good guy and philly respects good guys okay have you ever had the phillies are playing really good baseball who do do they got next week? The Trenton Thunder? They're playing the world champs, the reigning world champs right now. Oh, let me see.
They're pretty good. What they're...
All right. The reigning world champs.
Well, yeah. Now they're under 500 because they lost to the Phillies.
All these teams lose to the Phillies and they go under 500. Yeah, yeah.
Baseball, Major League Baseball has a Philadelphia problem. All the teams are bad because the Phillies keep beating all of them.
Correct. I think the Phillies are very good.
Max has not been able to say good win fills without also saying, what are the losers going to say? Well, every time anyone posts anything about the Phillies, it's just they haven't played anyone's. It is crazy.
Isn't it so annoying when people do that, Max? you can only fucking play the teams in front of you oh fuck but yeah hank he got you when he said jason tatum played like dick but now you're back and he also didn't in the i said in the fourth quarter he said in the fourth quarter and he was also 25 oh so they have the rangersies. That will be good.
They haven't played a team over 500 since opening weekend. How is that possible? I don't know.
They still don't until June. When a team loses to the Phillies, they get beaten so badly.
They get demoralized, and then they lose all their confidence, and they can't go on and win any more games.

There's only four teams above 500 in the NL right now.

Yeah, but still.

So it's not really their fault.

They're playing the Rockies, the Giants, and the Cardinals coming up.

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know what you want me to say.

Okay, but all-time good guy.

All-time good guy.

Love Bryce Harper.

Bryce Harper's a great guy.

Great guy.

Still kind of a weird move to have somebody else come in.

Want him to come on the show. It's not a weird move.

It's more of like a dumb move.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A short-sighted move.

Like have Bryce Harper come and visit.

Be like, hey, will you go to prom with me?

If we go to prom together, I'll have Bryce Harper come to your house.

Yeah, that's good.

Just dangle it like a carrot.

Or just have Bryce record a video.

Yeah.

Be like, hey, will you go to prom with this guy? Yeah. Yeah yeah I'll hit a dinger for you if you do I like that uh my cool throne is Marvin Harrison Jr.
because he is engaged in a big legal dispute right now I don't know if you've seen the ongoing dispute with him but I saw a headline you can't if you're a Cardinals fan or anybody else, you can't buy a Marvin Harrison Jr. jersey yet.

And the reason for this is because he never signed with the NFLPA. And the reason for that is back in college, he was approached, a lot of players get approached by fanatics when they're in college.
And they are asked to sign their rights over for like autograph sessions, merch, things like that, because college players can do that now. Marvin Harrison Jr.
said,

no, I'm not going to sign this right now because I think my name is going to be so big when I'm a rookie that it's going to be worth more than you're going to offer me as like a college sophomore, which is probably accurate, probably smart. So he didn't sign that then, and then they asked him to sign the NFLPA thing so they could now sell more of his merch.
He said, no, I want to figure this out and do more negotiating on it. And now Fanatics is suing Marvin Harrison Jr.
so that they can start selling his jerseys. So they claim that Marvin Harrison Jr.
signed a term sheet, which is just basically a piece of paper saying, like, I intend to do this, not a legally binding contract. They claim that he signed that before the draft and that they should be allowed to sell it but the bottom line is you're not going to be able to buy marvin harrison jersey marvin harrison jr jerseys in stores for a very long time and he's probably not going to be in video games either until he gets this all sorted out but once he does he's probably going to get paid a shitload of money for it smart by him it's very smart by him and again again, I'm taking Marvin Harrison Jr.'s side in this 100% because his dad is Marvin Harrison Sr.
Yes. And I would not want to be engaged in any sort of dispute with that family.
Yes. They're a great family.
Yes. But it does seem like he's figured out, oh yeah, maybe we shouldn't sign these contracts when we're college sophomores if we are planning, if we're expecting to get drafted highly in the NFL.
Signing like a five-year deal when you're a college sophomore. Not the smartest thing in the world.
Was he at the rookie thing where everyone was in their jerseys running around? The rookie photoshoot thing. Yeah, the first-round picks.
Let me see. Marvin Harrison Jr.
Probably not based off of it. Yeah, this.
I'd like to go in the trust tree for a second. Can I say something with full trust and can't be clipped? This is something I'm going to have to get over, but it's just years and years and years of this.
The minute Caleb Williams put on the Bears uniform and they had him running around as a quarterback, he lost all his swag. And that's the Bears uniform.
You have to overcome the entire... He's got to figure out how to overcome the Bears quarterback uniform.
The entire vibe around it. Right.
People were tweeting about it like, dude, this guy's got no swag anymore. I was like, shit, I kind of agree.
I think he needs to do a visor, maybe some kind of cool arm sleeve. I don't know what it is, but it scared me because it was like, again, it's not Caleb Williams.
It's the Bears uniform that scared me. Yeah, there's only so many things you can do.
Well, it's just like I can't envision someone like dropping back in a Bears uniform and like throwing it down the field. What about pink shoes?

That would be cool.

Pink shoes, maybe.

Yeah.

That's a good idea.

Marvin Harrison Jr. was invited to, did not attend the rookie premiere.

Hank, speaking of which, did you see that photo?

Any thoughts on your guy trying to steal a couple inches?

No, with respect.

Did you see that? Yeah, yeah.

You got to take every inch in this league.

That's true.

It's a game of inches. Al Pacino taught us that.
Don't tippy-toe shame. One of the greatest NFL coaches of all time.
It happens. But, yeah, so the rookie premiere is weird.
They just stand out on a field, right? And then they're just like, look, they're wearing their new uniforms. Yeah.
That's it. That's all it is.
Yeah. They, like, run around a little bit.
Yeah. The NFL will monetize anything.
Yeah. Yeah, and everyone just, yeah.
And then everyone just like, and then Dove Kleiman tweets something. Oh, did you guys see the fake news going around about Joe Burrow? There's fake news about Joe Burrow.
Yeah. The hair.
The hair. Yeah.
The hair went like mega viral and it was just, it was made up. Why did anyone think that was real? I never for a second thought it was real.
I saw it. He spotted a UFC fight like two weeks ago.
And he had. But it's just still like, that was the fakest photo ever.
He had longer hair, but they literally just took Anakin Skywalker. Yeah, right.
I don't know why anyone thought that was real. I don't know.
He looked like an early 90s sitcom actor. Yeah, or like a hair metal band guy.
Yeah. But then there was also the clip.
If he had a mullet, that would be fucking sick. That would be sick.
There was also the clip of Mahomes showing up to the first day and people saying he looked fat. I don't think he looked fat.
He looked powerful. He also, I feel like Mahomes, you can't call Patrick Mahomes fat when you have three Super Bowl rings.
Whatever he's doing is working, so just let him do it. Like, that's not a guy.
You say, oh, a guy looks fat showing up to camp if they're like a second year player that had a disappointing first year. He needs to be sitting next to Andy Reid for all these pictures.
What are we talking about? Pat from home is fat. And he's not fat.
And he's going to play his way into shape. That's what training camp is all about.
Yeah, like Eddie Lacy, when he showed up that time, he was fat. He was big.
Yeah, he was fat. China food.
That was fat. This is not fat.
He's fat. You have the whole summer to run around and lose a couple pounds.
Agreed. And he also wasn't fat.
He just – He had a tight shirt. He had a tight shirt.
He had a shirt that – he needs me and Max's shirts that we can do this. The Instagram shirts.
Yeah. We're just pulling on our shirts constantly.
I'm getting a lot of those right now, Max, all the time. And also, the best part about the shirts you buy on Instagram that hide your boobs, allegedly, if you buy one shirt, you also buy 7,000 emails for the next year.
And you can't unsubscribe. They figure out a way through it.
And they're for other fat-related products? They just got you. They just got you.
That's what you're signing up for. All right.
My hot seat is Angry Birds. Angry Birds.
You guys remember Angry Birds? Yeah. I replayed it like six months ago.
Yeah. Angry Birds.
So this one was crazy because I- Is it like a game that you can finish? Yeah, there's a bunch of levels. What happens when you win? you win yeah so um i don't know why this is at the top of my tour this morning when i woke up um very weird angry birds account which has 700 000 followers said uh we sincerely apologize for an unfortunate incident that occurred on our account recently in an inappropriate post was accidentally reposted from the account this was a genuine mistake we deeply regret any harm it may have caused huh streisand effect i need to find out what was said so here was what they retweeted this is the angry birds account the game uh this is from jelly qui uh said i used to jerk off to Angry Birds birds when I was about 13.
I loved angry birds. I had every game and bought every toy they had one day.
I was playing angry birds when all of a sudden the big red bird turned me on. I couldn't stand it.
I was going crazy. I decided to pull and they retweet.
I did not have angry birds on the bingo card. I see no, I see no problem in retweeting that.
That's, that's somebody that loves your game. Like if this podcast made people so horny that they had to jack off to it.
It's so funny. I would retweet all those endorsements.
Yeah. It's just like, why are they even apologizing? Because then I immediately was like, what did Angry Birds do? Some kid admitted that he jacked off to Angry Birds when he was 13.
Who cares? But yeah, Angry Birds.

Remember Angry Birds?

It's a fun game.

They have a Topgolf, though.

Remember?

We beat Hank and...

That's right.

I think there was a movie.

Oh, that's right.

Yeah, they did make a movie out of it.

Was it good, Jake?

I didn't see it.

That was one of those movies that came out like three years after the game was popular.

What's your favorite bird from the games?

I was a Tiny Wings guy.

I still play Tiny Wings.

Tiny Wings is a good one.

Tiny Wings is elite.

I think I like the red one.

The red one's a standard one.

I honestly don't remember the different birds.

The yellow one's the boomerang.

The big black bomb one, that did a lot of damage on the levels.

You guys remember Flappy Bird?

Yeah.

The guy got so stressed out that he took it down? Yeah. Because everyone was getting mad at him? I don't remember that.
Oh, yeah. He deleted the game.
And there was like a Flappy Bird 2.0. That was a big thing.
Temple Run. It was like a really, really hard game, and he was getting death threats, and it was like the most popular thing of all time.
That's incredible. And he just deleted the app because he was too stressed out.
Do you guys ever play the running T-Rex thing on Google? Like when you don't have internet connection? You know how like a T-Rex shows up and it's like oh we don't have internet connection? Did you know that's a game that you can play? No. Chrome, right? That's pretty cool.
Yeah, if you hit space bar you like just run through all these levels and you jump. Oh, that's awesome.
It's actually a great game. I play Tiny Wings Island every flight still.

Really?

I never got into those games.

I was the old school.

I was the only one.

I mean, Snake was the greatest game ever created.

Brick Breaker probably, I don't know, a year of my career.

My former career was Brick Breaker, just trying to beat it.

And then I found out that when you beat it, you just go back to level one.

It just goes faster.

That was a bummer. And then Snood.
Snood rocked on the computer. What was Snood? No, Snood was good.
I remember that when I was very young. It was like the blue guys that you had to shoot.
You had to shoot. Actually, when he was very young.
How young? I was probably. Yeah, it was an old game.
I'm old, right? What do you want me to say? These guys don't know about Microsoft Pinball. You know...
About the one that came... Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Pinball rock. Yeah, yeah.
Snood rock. Yeah, but yeah, the one that came on, like, every PC.
Yeah, I would play that when the internet would go out. That and try and, like, every, I don't know, like, two months, you'd get so bored, you'd be like, maybe Solitaire's fun.
No. No no no never fun Solitaire's great and when you win the cards explode no Solitaire's not fun the other Microsoft one where you just flick around yeah I didn't know I didn't know how to play that but I would just like oh the one where there were bombs like you had to figure out I didn't know the strategy but I would just I would do it too oh my god this just fucking brought back a memory did you Did you guys ever play the game where you were the guy skiing down the hill and then

eventually a monster would run out?

Doodle jump or something?

No.

No.

This was like Addicting Games or something.

Yeah.

Addicting Games was the best.

Or Miniclip.

Or Miniclip.

Yeah.

No, it was like...

Would you draw the line?

No, it was ski something.

Remember that one?

Oh my God.

This is going to piss me off.

You would basically do like...

You would try not to crash, but no matter what, eventually the... How do you say? imbomb, imbomb, imbomb, imbomb, imbomb, imbomb, imbomb, imbomb, imbomb, imbomb This might be a Mount Rushmore.
I fucking loved that game. Best non-console game.
Ski Free? Is that right? Maybe it was Ski Free. I don't know.
I'm looking at a... Did you guys ever play...
I think it might be Ski Free. Yeah, it was Ski Free.
Did you Google it? Yes. Yeah, there's the monster that would come out.
He would grab you. Ski Free was awesome.
Oh, man. I might have to play this game.
Yeah, this might be Mount Rushmore. Non-franchiseranchise console games like no madden yeah like yeah java cafe addicting games.com did you play quop oh that game sucked the runner yeah you had to get all his body parts it's impossible if you can make it three meters with that runner you're with the keyboard with backyard baseball work no backyard baseball i feel like that's too much yeah too similar to a console yeah and that was like a game you'd buy in like a store i think yeah no or like you had to buy ah i know i think you had to buy you had to buy cd rom you had to get a cd for it these games you didn't have to get a cd max max dirt bike was the other dirt bike was a good one dirt bike was great uh did you.
We had one that all of them were blocked on our school computers,

except for like math games or something.

Oh, the Rocket?

Cool Math for Kids.

Cool Math for Kids.

And we would do Lemonade Stand, I remember.

We would crush Lemonade Stand at school.

Oh, I mean, the goat with the TI-83, Drug Wars.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

So good.

Holy shit.

That was Grand Theft Auto. I sold so many lewes.
Yes. Mario teaches typing.
Yeah. Mavis Beacon.
Mavis Beacon. Not good day.
Yeah. Carmen Sandiego.
Yeah. Yeah.
Hot. Damn.
Hot. Oh, hot for sure.
Agreed, Hank. Mavis Beacon hot? No, I think Mavis Beacon was like an old goose.
I think she was like an elderly goose. So it could be hot.
How did we get here? Oh, Angry Birds. Yeah.
So yeah, Angry Birds had to apologize. Somebody jacked off to them when they were 13.
My cool throne is the Los Angeles Chargers because Jim Harbaugh is starting the process of changing the culture. Our friend Sam Schwarzenegger reminded us or told us the story when we had him on about how when Harbaugh got to Stanford, he said, I am going to have to eliminate all traditions and things you guys do because you're such losers.
I have to figure out what makes you losers. The Chargers had no music at OTA so harbaugh took away music that is maybe the first thing he saw and was like is this why they're losers we will find out you have to earn your music yeah i like that i like that no music whatever was happening before was not working so everything's gonna be different it's it's a sound strategy you guys are losers Let's figure out why.
So, yeah, the Chargers, they're going to be good.

Harbaugh will be in an afc championship game over under four and a half years under i agree i think it's like i'd set it four if i think you'll do it i think it's three i think we'll do it in the third or fourth year i three. Yeah.
Yeah. AFC championship game.
Harbaugh. Be there.
We'll be there. All right, Jake, finish us off.
My hot seat's the chain gang. Our friends on the sidelines might be losing their jobs this football season.
No. Because tonight the NFL announced it'll run a trial throughout the preseason for electronically measuring first downs.
Yeah, this is bad. And if it approves through the preseason, it's going to happen in the regular season.
So this is bad, and here's why. Every time you watch a game, you're like, I can't believe we're using sticks and a chain.
That's what makes a ball football. It's a billion-dollar business to figure out where the ball is, if it's a first down or not.
I don't give a fuck. The chain and the stick is awesome.
It gives you – it's like another play. It's a free play that you get.
So if you're close – if a team's close to get a first down and you're like, oh, I don't know, they bring the chain out there and you get a first down, the ref signals it when they put the thing down, you feel like you just gained a yard right there. You feel like that's a huge win.
Also, if you're rooting for the team that's on defense and you get what you think is a stop, you get to celebrate it because you get to hold your fist up and be like, yeah, we stopped you. And then the chain comes out.
No, they didn't get it. That's another stop.
The anticipation of them running out. It's another stop.
It's one of the weird things about football that makes no sense at all. And if we were starting football from scratch right now, there's no chance in hell that there would be three old guys with sticks and a chain that run out on the field to measure things.
It would be electronic if we're starting football from ground zero. But that's what we love about football is the weird shit, right? Yeah.
No, this is bad. Yes.
We need like Chinese or Russian hackers to hack the electronic ones. Yes.
We need something to happen to malfunction. We can't lose the chain chain game fly like an emp drone over the over the electronic system make it fuck up we can't have this we can't have hopefully the nfl has people and maybe maybe our takes bad maybe people don't like or take maybe no no no this no i think i think i'm right because our take is correct i it's it's something that you would never see in a modern game was invented, but it makes it feel so much more real because there's human beings that are doing it and not a fucking AI system that's doing it.
Think about the Jadavian Clowney hit. That's not cool if we don't have the chain gang coming out and doing the thing.
Yeah. Who was the guy? What was the- The territory index card.
The index card. Yeah.
Now, they told him not to do that anymore, but it it still happened and it happened because of the chain gang. Yeah.
I, yeah, this is bad. It is very bad.
I hope they don't change it. I really hope they don't change it.
Cause they're doing a preseason anticipation. All right.
I might boycott some of the preseason. No, the last game, last game.
They don't play anyone. Maybe.
Yeah. But it's football.
Yeah, but that last game always. At that point, we're just starved for it.
But remember, that last game always happens when there's, like, real college football playing. I'm going to boycott the second quarter of one of the games in week three.
Okay. All right.
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My cool throne is getting hit by foul balls. Usually it's a bad thing.
But this Blue Jays fan, she took 110 mile an hour foul off Boba. That's that.
You guys see the picture. Yeah, I have a bad take about this.
But she looks like selling 110 cards of her. And it's the damage is crazy.
She took it like a champ. I have a bad take about this she injured she has a black eye and she had a giant hair she had a huge hematoma that was swelling out from her forehead it was massive she looked like that uh was it thug rose that lost that ufc fight what was she wearing what do you mean it was crazy it was crazy Where was she sitting? Did she ask for this? Oh, my God.
Yeah, it's crazy. Oh, my God.

Where was she sitting? Did she ask for this? Oh, my God. Yeah, it was crazy.
Oh, my God. Where was she sitting? She looks like JFK.
All right, I'm going to keep my bad things. There it is.
Okay. Yeah, it was crazy.
Topps is selling her card. Is there a video of the foul ball? I thought it was kind of lame to beg for a ball after.
I did. Yeah, but I don't know.
I just saw it and I was like, okay, that sucks. She should have gotten a ball in the moment.
Yeah, I mean, someone should have probably come over to her. Right, right.
But then to wait a day and be like, hey, I didn't get a ball. Give me a ball.
Yeah, it's just common. I don't know.
It's common courtesy that if you catch that ball, if it lands next to you after bouncing off her head, you treat it like it's an athlete throwing a ball to a child in the stands. You catch it and you give the ball to that person that got hit.
Yeah. In the moment.
Yeah. She should have gotten the ball in the moment, but once the moment passes, it's like, hey, guess what? No ball.
I don't like her being on a baseball card. I don't like free.
You don't get the free ball. She also got a ball in her head.
Jesus Christ. Also, her name's Liz McGuire.
I like the show. I'll say this.
She is way tougher than I am because I would fucking, I would have had a stretcher take me out. No chance I would have stayed there.
It looks like she has a baseball, like the baseball went under her skin and is attached to her forehead how where did she get where is the video also where did yeah where was she sitting i need to know where she was wait i didn't even get the ball lady who eventually got the ball that ricocheted off my face wouldn't give us the ball that woman's the worst woman ever okay that woman is the worst woman ever you have to give the ball uh the ball. Wait, so this.
All right, I'm back on Liz's side. You know what? You know what, though? Here's the thing.
She shouldn't have tweeted the Blue Jays. She should have found that lady's at and ended her life.
So this lady, Liz, gets hit in the head with a 110-mile-an-hour ball. Correct.
And she stays at the game for the rest of the game as another woman takes the ball and leaves as a section chance give her the ball so what would you have done would you tweet the next day being like hey i got hit in the head can i have a ball i would i honestly think i would have just tried to find the woman who stole the ball and just try to end her life. Yeah.
It doesn't seem like she's begging for the ball. The tweet was like, yeah, it's not a bad read the tweet.
It was like, hey, can you hook a girl up? Pretty good way to do it. But yeah, I think her her anger, if she has any, should be reserved for the woman.
I would have. I would have.
That was the ball. Yeah.
I would have been like, I'm going to find you. No matter what.
Walked around the streets with a cudgel until you saw her? Yeah. Yeah.
Like, you're fucking done. Also, where did she get hit? Because, like, I know where she got hit in the head.
But where is she sitting? Because there's nets everywhere now. How do you get hit with 110 mile an hour? Maybe it was like a deep foul ball line drive outfield.
Like, those back sections in foul territory. I don't know if those are netted'd like to see a replay of the of the play same my guess i just i would like to see what what you know what what did she try to make a catch miss it totally fair was she not looking i don't know i i have her side i just wish she had tried to strike vengeance with this woman this scag who took her ball.
That's a bullshit thing. That's a crazy fucking, that's a crazy hematoma.
It's so big. Is this it right here? The Toronto Blue Jays.
I don't know where the footage is, but. What's that in the middle, down the middle middle? That...
I haven't seen... It's not Boba Shad.

I haven't seen a hematoma like that

since...

Oh?

Since Rachman, the boxer.

Remember that one?

No, it's like...

There was one in UFC a couple years ago.

Was it Thug Rose?

Yeah.

Foul ball.

I don't think we're gonna get the video.

Yeah, I mean...

What if she just was drunk and fell?

A lot of the broadcasts don't pan to foul balls

unless they're close to being in fair territory. Yeah.
What if this just was drunk and fell? A lot of the broadcasts don't pan to foul balls unless they're close to being in fair territory. What if this never happened and the Blue Jays, she's like a marketing plant.
And the Blue Jays are giving her a ball to get all the good headlines. And that thing on her forehead is all stage makeup.
We're on the internet too much. Yes.
Yeah, all right. So my final ruling is I back Liz McGuire.
i wish she had not asked for a free ball i wish she instead had tried to end this person's life that's fair right yeah um or no it would have been better if she asked the blue jays to find that woman that woman yeah hey i got hit in the head i didn't get the ball unfortunately somebody else caught it is there any chance that you can have her killed? Yeah. That would have been good.
All right. So, yeah, that's the final answer is that her tweet, she should have said, when she said, can you hook me up, it should have been, can you hook me up with all the information of this fan so that we can end her? Yeah, with her home address, her work address, and a semi-automatic pistol.
Yeah. Okay.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest.

Fresh off his first major victory, the PGA champion Xander Shoffley is joining us.

The trophy is in his background.

It looks great.

I'm going to go, Xander, your hat tan line is starting to look a little bit better too. When you won the – we want to talk about everything, but when you took off your hat, did you know in the back of your head you're like, oh, this is, I've been playing a lot of golf in the sun recently, and I'm like a Stewart Cink out here.
Damn, I didn't know I entered that legendary status. Yeah, I'm made aware.
Don't worry, I don't get away with much with my team. So, my caddy told me, he was, I took my, or he shaved my head, and while he was shaving my head, he was like dude I was like what what this it was perfect I mean that's always that that always happens with a major champion too it's like something they win and then everyone's like oh how can we roast his outfit or something just to make ourselves feel better but I want to go back to 18 and that putt um what were you thinking before that putt and uh were you like this is you know it was it was obviously not super far but what was going through your head when you're lining up that putt and about to hit it yeah I was nervous I mean it was it was it was a bad spot I I walked up I saw left to right I saw like left edge left center I kept reading it and I saw like right edge right center and then I was like this is this is not good you know and then I was like I can't call Austin in it's gonna make me like doubt myself more so I kind of was I just I was like screw it I need to commit to this and so I actually didn't take that much time because I was like the more longer I look at this the more more stuff I'm gonna see so I was nervous I just ended up hitting it pretty straight actually my putting coach texted me he's like he pulled it i was like thanks man he's right you know i watch it i mean i've watched that putt now like six times and it looks it looks like it's gonna miss every time yeah so yeah yeah i ended up being being a fantastic putt under pressure and the shot i think it was two shots before that where you're standing in the bunker your feet are in the bunker, and you're hitting the shot.
It's elevated. You and your caddy had a little talk before that shot, and the mics picked up some of it.
And it sounded like your caddy was saying, yeah, you know what? If you end up hitting that into the bunker, that's not a bad shot. It's a good place to be.
And I thought I saw you give him a look like, hey, don't say that it's okay if I hit the shot into the bunker. But he's guiding you through that shot like are you are you angry with him in the moment for being like don't even introduce the concept of a bunker to me no no he was he was talking about that middle bunker he was like because I was like you know I want to aim really far right and I was like if I hit it on the right side of the green no problem and then he was like actually hit it on the left side of the green it's easier and I kind of looked at him I was like you know like, is it? But then I was like, I don't know if I should, you know, I don't want to think that hard.
One of my goals was to keep it simple. So, you know, he's my caddy.
I pay him to give me good advice. And so he gave me good advice.
So I aim kind of, I aim far right, obviously, because I'm hitting like a baseball stance golf shot. But I pulled it left of that middle bunker.
And then luckily it didn't go in that left bunker because I would have been a hard up and down yeah yeah and as you're playing that hole is the thought in your head like i don't want to get into a playoff where the playoff hole will be a par five and i'm going up against bryson 100 i mean absolutely actually i didn't even know uh the playoff is actually an aggregate it's three holes oh. Oh.
Oh. Yeah, I know.
That, and that's, yeah, that's just way more pressure. So, I mean.
It's just a lot. Yeah, I mean, the momentum would be like, you know, he birdies the last hole.
I mess up the last hole and don't clutch up. And then here I am, like, in a playoff, like, where I feel like I shouldn't be.
So, I just was in, like, and luckily that ball whipped in yeah could you tell was there anything that you could tell that was different about this last round because you obviously you're an unbelievable golfer and you've been in these big moments and come just short a bunch but like that last round I thought the the bogey on 10 when it like the leaderboard switches and it's like that's the moment you're like, uh-oh, is this going to fall apart? And then you come back and go birdie, birdie. Was there something different about Sunday that you just had a confidence to you or some feel to it like this is mine? Yeah, no, for sure.
I mean, I had that sentiment. I was good all day about committing, staying in my process, know all that nonchalant all that uh cliche stuff but I get to 10 and I'm kind of like I don't know how I want to hit this chip and then I ended up hitting the chip I didn't really want to hit and then I F it up and I make bogey and I you know I get to 11 and I was like I need to hit a good shot hit a great shot I get up to the the putt and I look up to the board and it says I'm in second and And I was like, damn, you know, I was like, how am I in second? Like one hole ago I was leading.
Now I'm in second. So everyone, I knew everyone was birding ahead of me.
And the big difference was, was just that. I mean, I, I had this overwhelming feeling of sort of not, not, not today.
You know, like I I've been in this spot too many times in the last two years where I've sort of, you know, curled up a little bit and got a little like defensive. And so I just said, screw it.
Like I need to, I need to earn this. I need to win this.
I need to stay aggressive because guys are making birdies and I need to be one of those guys. And so that's what I did.
Yeah. Did you do anything different for breakfast or for your meal, like a quick snack during your round that, that maybe switched up the vibes for you this time? No, just no just it was it was a lot of self-talk vibes that were different yeah just like confidence building stuff like yeah i mean i always yeah i always am like pretty pretty confident i always am pretty like you know comfortable in in these spots but i just something was something was different this time around i really felt like it was my time it was like it was my time to shine like after last week happened that was a big letdown for me you know I got beat uh he played way better than I did I didn't give him any pressure it was that kind of it was like those last seven holes were like to be in a final group on Sunday and to have like the first nine holes feeling like you're going to win the tournament and then like two holes later you're playing the last seven holes feeling feeling like you have zero chance to win a tournament is an awful feeling when you've pretty much like led a tournament for the entire week so i know that feeling and i really didn't want to have that feeling again so i just i had to sack up yeah and then then you celebrate and you it looked like a pretty fun celebration i saw you drinking out of the trophy i feel like you have to do that what was the first thing that you poured into the trophy austin poured some cheap champagne into it and everyone was yelling at him and i looked around i'm like where are we gonna get nicer champagne and everyone's like all right so we all just ended up drinking it it was like andre i don't even know it was it was started with a k oh i have no i mean i was i was drinking they the a member at valhalla was nice he gave me cigars he gave me whiskey um it was it was a night where i know i don't i normally i normally don't drink too much but you know it had to be done yeah all right i got a dumb question for you um and don't take offense to this but do you feel like you robbed us a little bit of uh being the guy who can't win the big one as like media people we love being, that guy can't win the big one.
You kind of won the big one a little too early. I need another five years.
You wanted me to bathe in my own shit for another five years? Yeah, because that's our favorite storyline. Great golfer, can't win the big one.
Phil was like that for a long time. Yeah, did you kind of – Sergio, yeah, did you rob us? Yeah, you know what? I did.
Yeah, sorry sorry to maybe apologize I don't know yeah I mean you're you're honest at least you're in at least you're honest you know you're in this line you're in you're in this line of work and you're one of the honest ones to to say that you know everyone else is like oh I'm so happy for you yeah yeah they're thinking in the background the back of their head they're like oh we had so many more stories like you know have done a big, you know, feature on Xander being like, can Xander win the big one now that you robbed him? He took food off their table. Yeah, listen, Dan Marino has served that role very importantly, I would say, for NFL media for the rest of his life, right? Like the amount of stories, the amount of things that people got to say.
Now it's like, okay, yeah, Xander, I guess he proved us us wrong now we actually have to be creative and do something interesting with our job and try to actually dig into something deeper behind the besides the fact that this guy just hasn't won a major yet yeah yeah i mean now you just gotta go talk shit about someone else well i just realized we played ourselves because i was thinking like who's the next can't win the big one guy and we'll just say that no that guy will win a big one no it's not him no he's talking about max yeah he's gonna win a big one he's gonna win a big do you think max has what it takes to win a big one of course yeah i mean i think if you're i mean if you're a top player in the world i think all those guys i mean you just i am like i can do an interview on close calls so like i i know better than anyone else what it's like to just sit on the other side of the fence like with pretty much your entire body over and you're just like what why am i not on the other side of this thing completely and so yeah you know you just you need some things to go your way you need a good break you need to be in the better wave like all those small things add up and then at the end of the day like you just need to really take advantage of the of the moment and you know put yourself in the position enough times like i like i said i I said, I know that better than anyone else. You're going to – I kept saying knock on that door until you freaking bust that thing down.
I just need your damn battering ram to do it. Yeah, and what you did on Sunday was incredible because it felt like – Big Cat talked about when you lost the lead momentarily and then Bryson hits his ball off a tree and it bounces perfectly into the middle of the fairway i heard about any birdies i heard about that yeah that that to me felt like okay the gods are just stacked against against zander right now you see that stuff yeah like when i won the travelers i hit this ball like out of like towards out of bounds and it hit and then hit off like you know there's like a fence post like every four feet it hit off one of the fence posts and then kicked back in play and i'm like that was my break you know like from the golf gods but then you know i hear about bryson doing this and it's like i'm sure everyone watching was like oh my gosh like this is his break like this is what you need to win a tournament so um it's uh fortunately you know fortunately went my way yeah have you gone back and watched your final round yet no i haven't i've just seen the the putt you know, fortunately went my way.
Yeah. Have you gone back and watched your final round yet? No, I haven't.
I've just seen the putt, you know, six times now, I think. Yeah, I would do that.
I would do that if I were you. I would just sit there and watch my entire championship winning round.
Yeah. Sit on the couch like everybody else.
Yeah, for sure. I mean, you don't seem like a guy that would do something like that, but.
What, win a championship? I would just have it be playing on loop forever for the rest of my life yeah i'd yeah you walk into my house and you have to watch the final round you have no choice download the mp3 of the uh of just the announcers and i just have it in my car all the time yeah yeah yeah oh i would be a terrible champion yeah i xander i sore winner yeah i got a question about your dad who seems like an all-time figure he's your swing coach been your swing coach your entire life um that's that's nice of you to give him a job uh he also i read that he watched or he didn't even watch you win this tournament he was in a shipping container in hawaii because he's building a family compound so that alone, what happened there? And then I have a follow-up question. Yeah.
So, uh, a lot of that is true. He's been my coach for forever.
I actually, I actually ended up hiring Chris Como in November. We've been working together since November of last year.
Um, and so I've known Chris for quite some time, uh, had a mutual friend that kind of introduced us, uh, way back. And so my dad knows Chris pretty well.
Chris did like a little golf channel thing with us when he was working with them. And so, uh, my dad just felt comfortable.
He was like, you know, I don't, you know, he's always going to be, you know, he's always gonna be my dad, but in terms of like the golfing capacity, he sort of passed the torch over to Chris and he felt like, you know, there's no need for him to be there. If, you know, I'm, I'm there with, you know, the rest of my team.
So he is, he is definitely a character. His nickname's the ogre.
We can get into why that is, but why is that? Yeah. Tell us why it is pretty self-explanatory, but all right.
So here's, so how is the ogre though? I've seen pictures of him. He's always always wearing like linen and cool hats he seems like he's like right out of a tommy bahama like catalog but he's the ogre he's the i mean the ogre is is more of uh uh he he uh he he handles uh uh he handles conversations and tough tough i guess situations in in an ogre fashion.
You know, he's not afraid to, to get, he's enough to get in your face. Yeah.
Like put it like that. He was like, he was like that growing up too.
So he's been consistent on that front. Well, so that was my other question because I heard this story and it's a hilarious story.
Your dad was your swing coach or is your swing coach your entire life. And he would not let you watch your own swing until you were 17 or 18 and even threatened your friends to be like, if you show him a video of his own swing, like you're going to be in trouble.
Yeah. Is that true? Yeah.
Kids are like, you know, kids are like, I'll be like, dude, look, come on. Let's let me like, I need to see what's going on.
Like, you know, I don't feel good about this. And they're like, no, sorry, man.
I can't get someone else to do it. That's incredible.
So why did he not want you to see your own swing? He just was like, you know, there's no – he's like, one, you're not going to know what you're looking at. Two, he's like, you're going to try and be too perfect.
So he's like, what's the point in you looking at your swing and making you want to lose your freaking mind and so he's kind of right you know sometimes i look at my swing now and i'm like luckily you know i have chris to talk to about my swing in the videos but sometimes i look at my swing and i'm like i mean it looks fine to me and they're like no you're doing that wrong and i'm like i mean i guess you're right like i didn't see that but sure so we just let the pros handle that yeah that's that's a smart move like when you're 16 17 you your swing is built up in your mind's eye you have it like pictured in your own head what it looks like and then if you see it it's like hearing the sound of your own voice and you're like oh my god yeah it's like you see yourself running you see yourself getting interviewed you see yourself throwing something you feel like you're jason born in this situation you see a clip of it and you're like wow yeah i got a lot of work yeah people are roasting me online for my back swing i gotta fix something so it looks better yeah i just love the idea that he told all your friends like do not show him his own swing and you're just walking around being like will someone let me see my swing i did see a picture of him he's got your gold medal or at least he did does he still have it yeah yeah so i mean i have this i got this puppy right here just for the just for the moment it's going to go back to the west coast my parents are like the safe keepers of my trophies and so they're gonna i'm they're probably gonna party way harder than i i did with this thing to be they're gonna go around town in san diego and let everyone drink out of it if i had to guess i love that yeah that your dad posted kind of a kind of a thirst trappy picture of him wearing the gold medal just wearing like a swimsuit flexing yeah your dad's strong as shit it's a speedo yeah he's you know he's got that old man strength it's you know i don't i don't know how i feel about it anymore he's getting he's gonna turn 60 this year so i'm sure i can i could take him at some point uh i got this is another dumb question for you it's something that we're planning on doing here because we saw john daly's round on thursday where it was reported that he smoked two packs of cigarettes had a couple cokes and i think four snickers bars we're gonna try to do the john daly challenge do you think that's possible for us as a podcast to smoke 40 cigarettes and uh and obviously the two cokes is fine max takes care of that in about five minutes and the snickers bar do you think it's possible for a non-smoker mere mortal not named john daly to accomplish that feat 100 i mean it just depends on what's on the line nothing right yeah just us embarrassing ourselves just the ability to say like a lot yeah i don't know usually when someone tells me i can't do it i usually get it done so it may take me may take me longer than others but you know if you tell me i can't smoke 40 cigarettes in a day i mean i i might need an iv and a hospital like treatment after that but like i think i think three or four of you guys can can rip through some heaters yeah okay yeah um did you have a chance to talk to point this weekend? Because he kind of, he kind of cucked you a little bit with the storylines being like, I got arrested and you just won your first major. Did you have any chance to talk to him? It was the craziest story.
Yeah. Yeah, I did.
You know, I, he was, he handled it really well in Scotty's Shuffler fashion. I mean, he's, he's a, he's a good dude.
As soon as I saw it, I mean, thought it was a prank, and then I saw it on the news, and I was like, holy smokes, this actually happened. And then he's, you know, I hope he comes out.
It feels like he's going to come out, like, okay from all this. It feels like things are going to get dropped.
I don't know, but he took it like a champ, and we're all giving him, you know. We have, like, a group chat, you, with our physio, uh, our team or crew.
It's like me, Gary, JT, Jordan, Scotty, Pat, we all share the same physio. So the boys were heckling Scotty a little bit.
Uh, just, just, just enough. Yeah.
You got to change the picture of that group chat to the, to the mugshot. Obviously that happened.
That's good. I actually think that's what I'd want my boys to do if i if i got arrested for not a really serious thing just being right yeah let's roast them that's how you know you have real friends right so yeah i would i was thinking that the day that he got arrested it was actually tougher for everybody else playing not scotty because scotty is riding off the adrenaline it's fun to get arrested sometimes and you're like okay sweet let's go to the golf course whatever i'm out i'm relieved everybody else is playing thinking like holy shit i can't believe scotty sheffler got arrested for felony assault on a police officer like that that screws with everybody else's brain out there too reverse psychology there yeah yeah maybe i mean he he and i mean he shoot he played he shot 66 coming out of jail so i mean that's like it's pretty crazy it's legendary yeah yeah yeah i mean i don't think anyone else can say that no one else on tour has been able to do that one so i mean he's he's he's definitely he's he's at the top of the mountain for several reasons all right i got another dumb question for you have you seen real bros of simi valley no ah all right so the The main character is Xander.
It's actually Zonder is how he pronounces it.

Got it. That's one, two of Xander's.
I don't really know any others. I guess that's why I've heard some guys yelling my name, yelling Zonder.
I knew it was from something. One of my roommates was from Simi Valley.
I guess I'm'm not too surprised. Yeah.
Yeah. You got to watch it.
It's very, very funny. It is.
How did you make that decision to go by Xander, not Alexander? Well, my dad's German. Uh, if you've never heard him speak.
So my name is Alexander, but like when he would yell at me as a kid, it just sounded like Sanda, you know, like a German dude. I never realized how like aggressive my dad's accent is until all my friends are like dude your dad's like really german i was like what just grew up listening being yelled at by this dude and then all of a sudden you know removed from him i'm like yeah he does sound pretty weird i'm not gonna lie yeah it's an awesome name it's like very unique and cool yeah yeah yeah i mean easy you know x x is nice it's simple yeah throw the x x go and give it to you yeah did you did you have i would imagine um you go online after whatever after you party and everything uh did you have just a million people being like i bet on you every tournament and finally he did it for me because i feel like that was uh like a lot of people were like, yes, I've always, there's like a huge Xander crew that was like, he's going to do it.
And that was their moment as well. I don't, I actually, I don't really have social media.
Smart. I have it, but I don't see, I don't have any of my passwords.
I don't see anything. Smart.
But yeah, I mean, people will tell them. I mean, I had like a, I had like a 12 year old kid yell at me while we're playing like you're gonna choke i like i remember i was kind of walking and normally just keep my head down but i remember in my head i was kind of like what the what did you just say you know where is your father yeah what's going on here so i can imagine you know i think i i haven't won in such a long time all the people that were betting on me i feel like i hit this curve where it's like everyone was betting on me to win and then everyone's like this guy's never gonna win and so they just stop betting on me and then as soon as they stop betting on me i win and now everyone's like god damn it yeah the true believers there's some true believers out there so shout out to them yeah the ogs know who they are yeah you know there's some quitters along the way and that's fine too yeah yeah that's funny um so i i read that when you got married in your wedding you dressed your dogs up in formal attire for the wedding is that true yeah i mean do you think that was my idea like are we just talking tuxedos or did one wear a dress or what? Yeah, an aussie labradoodle and a frenchie and my my guy my frenchie he looked like a stud in his tux dude we pft and i went so i have a coffee company named after my dog and we give some of the money to uh where i rescued her in chicago and every year there's a a thing called the fur ball that it's literally like a black tie affair and people bring their dogs in like dresses and tuxedos yeah it's crazy long dresses that like follow the dog around it's yeah it was awesome it's nuts oh my gosh might have to have your dogs they got the tuxes yeah yeah no i don't know uh he's a little chonkier than he used to be so i don't know if it's gonna fit but that's that's he tries to fit in the – like, I can't fit in this anymore.
But that plays if it's a Frenchie. A Frenchie, like, trying to squeeze into a way too tight tuxedo.
Yeah. That would be a funny look.
Yeah, that does play. That's a nice touch for a bulldog.
Yeah. All right.
Well, this has been awesome, Xander. I got one last question.
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It's a longer question, but your story is really cool because you weren't, like, coming out of high school, you weren't, like, one of these guys that everyone was talking about, and you end up going to a school that's not, like, known for golf. Like, when you're, like, coming up and going through the qualifying and everything, was there ever a moment where you're like, this is – I'm just so far off? Because I even read a story about how when you were in college, your golf coach, like one of your first years, put you up against Patrick Cantley when you played UCLA.
And he was like, I just want him to see like what the difference is of how far he has to go. And the story goes that you shot like a 76 and he shot a 63.
So, well, Oh, you shot higher than 76 78. Oh shit.
But like, that's a, it's a very cool story because it doesn't feel like you were one of those guys that was anointed from this, this young age, but now you're one of the best golfers in the entire world. So in that process, was there a moment where you're like, this is, I'm never going to make it.
Yeah. I mean, a hundred percent.
I mean, I, I like, I think because of everything you've just said, I just had this chip on my shoulder my whole career. And, uh, you know, I am a firm believer.
If you look at all sports, there's always, you know, the walk on type guy. Um, you know, I had a, I was pretty, I was, I was a good amateur.
I just, you know, wasn't my class is ridiculous. If up the class of 2011, golfers, I mean, I can name like 15 guys that are all on tour that have won basically.
And it's like that's just ridiculous to have a class where everyone's that strong. But, yeah, I mean, I think coming out of college – my senior year of college, I went to Q school and I failed in second stage.
I missed second stage by six shots. And so I was like, you know, my whole life you know I'm like 21 or yeah I turned 21 my senior year so I was like okay like this is what I really want to do and then so I go I go to Q school uh after I graduate I end up getting through because a guy misses his putt on the last hole to let six of us in and I was one of those six guys so I get in on the number then i go to corn fairy web.com at the time i do my time there and i'm like 115th on the points list like losing my card and then like i rattle off like you know three four top fives at the end of the year and then i finished 26th on the money list miss out by 900 to get my tour card and i.
And I'm like, I'm like, God, this is fricking, you know, like I feel good. This is, you know, this is, this is not it.
So then I go to the playoffs, I get my cards at the playoffs. And then I, you know, then I get on tour and I'm like, you know, same, same shit, different tour.
I'm playing all year long. I'm like 130th on the, on the FedEx cup because I haven't done anything.
And then monday qualify for the us open i finished hide fifth and that just like vaulted my entire career from that moment and then i ended up like i secured my card at the travelers a couple of weeks later and then i ended up like winning green briar and then my life just changed that's awesome it's like but until that moment like until i secured my card at travelers i mean i had i don't know where i had more relief like on 18 on sunday when i made that putt and like i put my arms up and i was so relieved or when i you know got my car to q school or when i uh was able to secure my card at travelers and then to win a green bar i mean those are all like and to me it was cool because it all they all just kind kind of stacked up, you know, they all stacked up and I just kept going. And, uh, you know, it's like, you know, you see other sports stories that are kind of like that, you know, it's like, you don't really get your shot, but then you do get one and then you just take advantage of it.
And then you just can't look back. It sounds to me like you're like one of the greatest, like procrastinator slash under pressure guys where you're like, I'm not, I'm going to start playing my best golf right when I need to.
Even the PGA where it's like, all right, enough people are like, oh, Xander's never going to win. Now I'm going to win one.
So you just got to put a little pressure. And it's like then you just become the best golfer in the world.
Yeah. I mean, I'm San Diego, born and raised, pretty laid back.
So maybe you're right. Maybe I need to get a little East Coast energy into my veins.
Yeah. So where do you go from here? Now that it's hard to have a chip on your shoulder right now.
You're the hottest thing in golf. So how do you motivate yourself? Now there's a chip on my shoulder.
I don't think it's ever going to leave. Charlie Hoffman was trying to tell me there's no chip on my shoulder like a couple years ago.
He's like, you don't have a chip on your shoulder. And I was like, I couldn't even give him shit because I I don't know if you guys know who Charlie Hoffman is.
But he would have given me shit about how he was right. You know? Like, he's just that guy.
So it was funny. I was playing in Dallas.
And Charlie Hoffman's like, you don't have a chip on your shoulder anymore. And I was like, this mother.
You know what I mean? End up shooting like 62 in the final round to finish like tight fifth. Because I wasn't playing very well at that time.
This was two years ago and i didn't text him because i knew if i texted him he would have been like you're welcome i told you yeah right yeah for sure you know what i mean so it's just winning one is is is a dream come true and it's something i've always wanted to do but i've always envisioned myself winning more than one so scotty scheffler is at the top of this mountain that i've referred to before. And, um, you know, I think when you're the number one player in the world, then you start having, you have to reassess, you know, what's going on and how to motivate yourself because you've pretty much accomplished everything you'd want to accomplish.
But for me, you know, I'm the second best player in the world, which is an awesome accomplishment. Some, somewhere I've never been, but I'm so far behind Scotty Scheffler that it's like, I

just, I have to keep my head down and keep running.

Well, no, no felonies though.

Good point.

Yeah.

I mean, but for golf though, you know, golf is such like a, like a professional sport.

Like Scotty's got for, he's from Highland park in Texas or wherever.

He's got more street cred than all of us.

I know he did.

It is crazy that this is going to end up being like, Oh being like oh scotty like yeah that's kind of cool he gets he gets like one of his ears pierced golf yeah it's golf like every other sport you're like oh shit like is he gonna be able to make it in the season and then now it's like oh he's a badass yeah yeah neck tattoo he's gonna be you guys are so yeah you guys are a little terop yeah you guys are just sitting around you know this beautiful country club being like and this guy's just telling the story for the hundredth time he's like so yeah they told me to stop and i didn't stop yeah also the chip on your shoulder you just said it the chip on your shoulder is people saying you don't have a chip on your shoulder yeah so yeah you're a chip on the shoulder guy for sure yeah yeah it's gotta i mean i'll wear it man it's there it's stuck it's stuck on me i love it well xander thank you so much congrats again man it's an awesome story and uh best of luck the rest of the year appreciate you guys thanks for having me on xander shawfly was brought to you by our friends at Farmer's Dog. The days are warmer.
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It is Brian Windhorse from ESPN. You can listen to him on the Hoop Collective.
Brian, actually, I'm going to do it from the start. You're going to be mad at me for doing this.
We got to get Wendy's book. He told me not to do this, but I'm doing it as a friend.
I'm looking to see if I have one. Yeah, we got to get Wendy's book.
He's close to passing the advance so he can start, you know, that's when the real money comes. Yeah.
I was listening to his podcast. He said it.
He was a little ashamed that he said it. I was like, you know what? I'm just going to, let's get it going.
So the book is Return of the King, LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers, and we need you to, we need people to buy it, and I also need an update. How strong is LeBron right now? Is he still so strong? So strong beyond just strong.
So strong. Okay, good.
How does that work? If we, if somebody buys the audio version, is there an audio version of it? Yeah, it counts. So I mean like, you know, I've written a, you know, just, I appreciate it.
First off, Dan, I appreciate that. Yes.
You know, thank you very kindly. It's always appreciative of you and your audience that that book was a best New York times bestseller, but you know, the way it works is, you know, you, there's a certain line and we've been dancing on that line.
The book's out seven years, right? I've subsequently written another book also on LeBron that, um, also was a bestseller, but I was just making a joke on the, my pod that I need the Lakers to win again because the last time when the Lakers won in 2020, we had a nice, you know, because normally you write a book about LeBron winning with the Cavs, about the championship. You know, by 2019, when he's in LA, that book ain't selling anymore.
Right. All right.
We're doing overseas sales. Then when he won in 2020 with the Lakers, you know, it was pure mid-COVID COVID people were like, oh yeah, I'll take this LeBron book.
And we had a nice bounce. So, you know, the Lakers, you know, getting knocked out in the playoffs is just hampering my chance to get past the advance, which is a, you know, maybe, maybe you guys write a book and it would fly past the advance.
But some of us, you know, have a harder time to do that. Well, let's get, let's get our audience to buy the book.
Maybe if we get past the advance you'll tweet out an update on lebron's strength be like just a you know breaking news lebron still so strong i think that's a fair that's a fair deal but i can run past various agents if you want us to help out with to really goose the numbers a little bit we'll just report that you said on part of my take that lebron is going back to Cleveland oh and then now there's a sudden interest in LeBron's career in Cleveland so what are the chances that Dan Gilbert gets on the phone gets the band back together two boys riding again is one yeah so this is how it went LeBron went back to Cleveland for Mother's Day okay i love it i yeah, yeah. Windy did not ask me to do that.
I'm doing that because I love Windy. So Dubai.
All right. So let's talk some basketball.
I want to start with, we'll get to the Pacers Celtics series, but I want to start with the Mavs and the Wolves because I think we, you know, all of us watched that game on Sunday night and saw what the Wolves did. And we were shocked with the fact that they came, overcame a 20 point deficit in Denver.
For this matchup though, how do you see it going? I feel like people are forgetting the Mavs are also a very good team and kind of anointing the Wolves already. I think they're the better team, the Wolves.
But do you think like, how do you see this matchup playing out in this series playing out first off you guys are you guys is infatuated with aunt edwards as as i am i mean i know that's that's a that's a vogue take now like everybody says that but like last year i went to um to a team usa on this month-long trip to abu dhabi and Manila. I spent a month with aunt Edwards in Abu Dhabi and Manila, and he had never been overseas before.
And in all honesty, he, he later said that he kind of felt a little bit nervous about being on that team. Cause you know, he didn't know where his place was.
And I mean, it can kind of be nerve-wracking if you know but this this amazing thing happened with that team uh steve kerr um kind of saw him as a six man they were like i think we're gonna bring an off the bench and he came to ant before the playoff before they played he's like hey you know in team usa sometimes star players come off the bench you know dwayne wade in 2008 the redeemed team dwayne wade came off the bench because you know kobe was a starting two guard and ant was like i was cool but i didn't see kobe on the roster right and by this maybe the third uh exhibition game because they play the like five exhibition games steve kerr was like yeah actually he's our best player and so watching that process i like walked away from that totally convinced ant was going to have a great season and so to see him do this has been awesome and so i have no doubt at all that he is going to come into this conference finals with no fear and he is not going to be you know influenced by the moment yeah but i am a little bit worried about the rest of the wolves with that there was um yeah yeah i was just gonna say there was a very funny moment where where it was Cat and Ant after the game where they were asking him, you know, usually you have to lose in the playoffs to figure out how to win. And he said, God damn, how much do you want us to lose? We've lost a lot in the playoffs already.
Like how much do we need to lose before we can win? And I get the feeling from Ant like he's definitely – he seems to have the mental makeup to not shy away from big moments and to be a guy that will step up he has the dog as we've said he is a dog yeah um but then you worry about a guy like carl anthony towns who he he will play like for one half like a dog and the other half like a cat and then you're like how do you put this together i'm not so sure so the question is does he have could he be the guy could he just put the team on his shoulders throughout a seven game series and be the best player on the court when you have a guy like luca on the other side yeah this is like um they haven't been to this part of the playoffs for 20 years like 20 years i mean they hadn't won a playoff series for 20 years i mean so like this year they put out a press release at the end of the season about how they sold out the season the timberwolves did and they sold out the season because they i think and if this is wrong i'm gonna get i'm gonna get in trouble if this is wrong but i think they like covered up a couple the sections with like tarps and they sold all the available seats. This is like,

I,

I, Ooh, I'm going to get in trouble if this is wrong. But I think they like covered up a couple of sections with like tarps and they sold all the available seats.
This is like, I remember when I first started going to Miami years ago, like when Dwayne Wade got there, they had sectioned off the highest deck of the arena. I don't know if it's the second or third deck.
The idea like of the Wolves being this this good like they had closed off part of their arena for games right that's where the that's where the wolves were yeah okay and so now they're in the conference finals and so like calling them the favorite in the conference finals like is wild yeah and you know what's amazing you know i thought was such an indication of the way Ant looks at the game. He wore

the microphone in Game 7. Now, obviously, they want him to wear the microphone every game.
And I think it's kind of like an unwritten rule that the star players kind of got to wear the mic at least once in the playoffs. Maybe they make you wear it once in the finals if you get there, the players usually don't want to wear that.
And if they wear it, they'll wear it like early in a series. And it's like, hell yeah.
Give it to me. Game seven on the road.
I'll take that. Mike, put it right here.
Yeah. Here.
And I know that that sounds weird that I would focus on that, but that meant that before the game is like, yeah, I'm not worried at all. Yeah.
Go ahead Go ahead and record everything I say. Go ahead and record my trash talk too while I'm at it.
Yeah. And so they haven't done it before, but his, his leadership and his belief, I don't know, maybe it can carry the rest in because Luca's been there.
Luca's, you know, been, you know, over in Europe. I know people don't give Europeans any any credit but go try to win a road game like in the euro league where in some of those places there's little there's fires and they have to have a police escort for the referees and there's people are lighting coins on fire and throwing them down to the bench and they have to like not let the visiting fans into the arena or have the visiting fans leave and go tell me yeah the level of basketball is the same as the nba luca won everything there was to win in europe by the time he was 19 right so i'm not kyrie has obviously played a ton of big games there's less mystery for the mavericks than there is for the wolves and so when you have a favorite and what, what is the number? Do you guys know what the number is? I don't know what it is.
I think it's not severe. It's like I think the Wolves are like minus 140 or something.
Okay. So it's not crazy.
But, yeah, they are the favorite. But, yeah, you're right.
So I've been on a little thing where I'm probably going to end up picking the Wolves. but I think that people have a perception of the Mavericks.
That is not what they have been doing in the playoffs and the cohesiveness of their team and their role players stepping up. And here's one that I would like you to maybe explain.
Everyone just says Luca's defense stinks. I feel like he's been playing better defense than his reputation.
And it's kind of one of those things that it's going to take a little bit. He's not a lead defensively, but especially the team defense the Mavs have been playing has been a lot better than people assume.
So when we get to this series, people are like, oh, man, this is going to be a lot harder for both teams to score because we know about Minnesota's defense. They were the number one defensive team for the last six weeks of the season, which is one of the most amazing things that we saw happen over the course of the season.
And the Mavericks fans are really pissed off that Luka, I think he got one or two MVP votes. They're really pissed off that the team didn't get more credit because they went 16-2 to finish the season.
But it's most valuable player of the year. You know, that's, you know, not that he was terrible before, but that, you know, you can't disregard everything else, but the way that Luca had, there was a couple of times in their first round series where like, I felt like Luca had never played defense.
I'd never seen him play defense like that. Now in this last series against Oklahoma series against Oklahoma city, his knee was bothering him.
And I don't think he was quite as able to dig in, um, as he was against the Clippers, but there was like, there was like one game against the Clippers. I can't remember what was game two or three where I was like, Oh my God, Luke is like making game changing defensive stops.
And they got them doing that the last quarter of the season. I can't imagine if you were a Nets fan to watch what Kyrie is doing.
Yeah. Like, he is the perfect teammate.
He is creating no distractions. He is playing defense.
He is, like, bringing people together. Like, even if you're KD, you're KD out in Phoenix, you're like, wait a minute what is going on and i don't know maybe it's just a kairi is like 32 now and he's not 28 but like this is the kairi that's a dream teammate even lebron like lebron was now whether lebron actually would have followed through on it i don't know and maybe kairi knew that but like Lebron said on the record in front of people that he wanted kairi to kind of be this guy he was willing to sort of shepherd him into it i do think lebron kind of saw him and kairi going for a while that was impossible kairi was like 25 right this version of kairi and this version of luca is not what seen before so yeah the Mavs the Mavs can win it all the Wolves can win it all and that's why this is gonna be interesting series the other thing is two really good defenders that are underrated Jaden McDaniels I don't know he's got 130 million dollar contract he might be and he might not be underrated he's awesome And he's going to be on Luca that matchup.
And then Derek Jones, Jr. Who makes the NBA minimum was available for anybody to sign heads was in Chicago there last year and just didn't work out as the bulls.
The bulls thought they took him from Miami. They thought he was going to be like a, like this kind of player for them.
He never, by the end, he wasn't even playing. He is like them putting him in the starting lineup, like with about 20 or 25 games to go, helped trigger Dallas being really good on defense.
Well, he's going to get Ant, you know. And so those two matchups, Jaden McDaniels on Luka and Derrick Jones Jr.
and other people will help. But But Derek Jones Jr.
on Ant, that's going to be a big part of that series.

Yeah.

You are always at the forefront of reporting on what teams are eating the best dinners together

and having the best productive dinner meetings together.

I remember you wrote an article about the Spurs legendary dinners.

You told us about the – it was in the Heat Celtics series last year.

A dinner kind of galvanized the team. This postseason, what teams are the closest off the court? I'm behind.
I don't have – I think the closest off the court were the Knicks, by the way. Oh.
Yeah. Yeah, well, they play – Those guys.
Those guys. Watching the Eclipse together.
Yeah. Did they? I missed that.
Yeah, they did. They watched the E together? Yeah.
Can I just say something about the eclipse real quick? Yes.

Go off.

I was really negative and skeptical about the eclipse, mostly because I was really annoyed.

I had to travel around the eclipse and it was causing me a lot of problems.

I was going to Ohio because my mom was having knee surgery on the day of the eclipse.

So she scheduled it like, you know, she was having her knee replaced. She scheduled it, you know, months in advance.
Obviously the eclipse was known years in advance. I didn't know.
And my sister was like, Hey, maybe we should reschedule her knee surgery. Cause it's in the eclipse.
I was like, what we've been waiting for the surgeon for, for five months. We're not rescheduling the freaking thing.
Yeah. That's a crazy take from your sister.
Yeah. That's a crazy take.
Thank you. Thank you.
So anyway, I was really kind of annoyed because in my hometown of Akron, like in Cleveland, it was like, you know, center of the totality. Yeah.
You know, and I'd seen eclipses before and I was like, oh, come on people. Like, what are we about? So I didn't actively try to get into the totality.

I found myself there.

And so I got the glasses or whatever.

And I went outside, literally went outside the orthopedic hospital on the veranda to

watch this totality eclipse.

And it was one minute away from the totality.

And I was like, okay, this is mildly interesting.

I would look out the window.

It is not worth traveling thousands of miles.

Thank you. one minute away from the totality.
And I was like, okay, this is mildly interesting. I would look out the window.
It is not worth traveling thousands of miles. And then that totality thing happened.
And I was like, oh, this is actually pretty remarkable. And literally in the moment that the totality happened, however it was long, like four minutes or whatever, I get a call from the the nurse like oh your mom's been because we were like she had got her knee done we were waiting for her she was waiting for us in her in the hotel and they're like oh your mom's in room uh five one six she's looking forward to seeing you i was like yeah hold on hold on uh yeah i'll get back to you you know she's just out of surgery you know yeah like hold on i actually came for the eclipse the surgery was just coincidental we got a totality going on yeah man changed i can see how that was team building yes yeah yeah team building of the totality i could honestly see kairi irving becoming a whole new man after an eclipse yeah i could see him experiencing that and being like you know what this is post totality kairi i'm gonna be a good teammate okay i'm not gonna say i am making a note to ask espn stats and information which is the greatest asset at espn yeah people think that it's like steven a or it's like the um the the studios the greatest asset at espn is the stats and information group you can this is a secret that no one will espn will ever you.
Like these games where they're ended like two in the morning or whatever, and you got to be on get up. Like you roll out of bed, you got two hours sleep and you've got this packet of information from stats and info week.
We get on there. Uh, you know, the, uh, the Mavericks were shot 66% coming off, uh, pin downs in the last 12 seconds of the shot clock, and that was a big difference in the game.
They're the greatest. Yeah.
Okay? I'm having stats and information. I'm giving them an assignment to look up Kyrie post-eclipse.
Yeah. I like it.
If there's like one thing that's changed. That number might be amazing.
Yeah, if there's one If there's one thing that's changed. Because I do feel like on kind of a more serious level, like Kyrie, he's learned over the years, I think,

he's learned the hot button things that he can't say to the media, right? He can have whatever conversations he wants with his friends.

But it feels like he's not bringing that drama as much as he used to. Yes, for now, without question, especially since there's things in the world that he could definitely comment on that would be controversial.
Yes. So, and by the way, now that I think about it, Dallas was like heart of the totality.
Right. Yeah.
Right. I'm telling you, I think something flipped in Kyrie.
Look it up. TFT, you have potentially identified something incredible.
We got reverse werewolf Kyrie. All right.
So this is good. I can't wait to see the stats.
I got a question for you. This is not Brian Windhorst's opinion.
This is GM's opinion. So it's a two-part question.
Rank the players. Say all contracts equal you know you call up a gm who they would want over everyone else yeah luca tatum and halliburton so that's the first part and then i have a second part of that question luca tatum i think they probably take luca because he's 6'8 and he can be such a difference maker in a single game.

And then Tatum and is interesting because the aunt defends man.

Like this is the thing.

Like when I see people rank these players,

it's two ends of the court.

Yeah.

And not only does aunt defend,

he wants to defend.

This is the one thing.

I don't know anything about college basketball.

I don't have time or I don't have bandwidth to study it.

I do watch the tournament,

which is not a responsible way to evaluate college players.

So I would never come out and say,

that's a John Paxson way to,

to,

to set up for the draft. Yeah.
Uh, the guy from Connecticut Clingon, the center, the thing that blew me away about him when I watched him was that he wants to play defense. What I mean by that is he like busts his ass to get into position.
You can tell what happens on that end of court. He was, he feels feels personally responsible for and that's one of the reasons why to me he is an exciting player because not only is he seven foot whatever with like a seven foot i think gavoni said seven foot nine inch i think i think gavoni said his standing reach is nine foot seven.
So basically if he gets on his tip toes,

he can probably touch the rim.

It's one thing to have that and then not want to play defense.

I've seen plenty of players like that.

You know,

I've seen seven,

I've seen seven foot three guys who only want to shoot threes.

Seriously.

They have no interest in,

in going into the paint.

This guy wants that.

And so that's why when I see aunt,

not only does he,

first off,

he's got super long arms,

even though he's not super tall.

He's like six,

four.

He's got really long arms.

Thank you. This guy wants that.
And so that's why when I see Ant, not only does he, first of all, he's got super long arms, even though he's not super tall. He's like 6'4".
He's got really long arms. He wants to defend.
And that's the thing about Tatum. One of the things that happens at ESPN is that, you know, we always have these parlor games, you know, for first take.
Who is the best duo? Who's the best guy to build around? Who would you pick to start a a team with and i am always going to default to the guys that play both ends and tatum plays both ends and that's why a lot of people i think would pick tatum but ant plays both ends and he wants it yeah he wants the ball he wants the microphone honestly i would i was so impressed with him in the microphone. He wants the microphone.
Honestly, I would, I was so impressed with him wearing the microphone. If I was, if I was in these draft meetings, you know, I was listening to guys talk about what they got, what they got asked by.
And I know this is a big thing at the NFL combine. This is a thing that's been on for years.
Um, I would start asking potential top picks. Would you wear a microphone for a road game? I love this one.
I could just see it. Yeah, Brian Windhorst sitting in a front office, like a set of Moneyball, and you're doing the Utah Jazz thing and be like, will he wear a microphone game seven? Right.
You've got the coach over there going, how would you execute this pin down? And you've got the know the general manager going like uh you know what's your most embarrassing moment you know well you know the first time you were alone uh in the backseat of a car with a woman what did you do yeah and then i would be like they get to me and i'm the guy like you know the consultant who's like you know got some sort of bs thing would you wear the mic in game seven on the road that's easy that would be okay that's my question see you guys later what about this do you think that that jason tatum is such a coward that he made sure that his team had home court advantage so he would never have to wear the mic on game seven on the road absolutely i think there's no i think you should absolutely go with that take yeah we're gonna get back to win horse in a second he's brought to you by chevy As everyone knows, this is a Chevy truck podcast. Up and down, through and through, they're the greatest trucks ever built.
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Like, I know that they have not played. Thank you for saying that.
Well, it's unfortunate the Celtics play in a conference that is not good,

and they are a lot better than everyone.

They're very, very good.

They very well could win the title.

They're the favorites right now.

Is there any chance the Pacers can win this series?

And if they do, what has to happen?

It's so tough to say that there's no chance because I've seen the celtics play in the playoffs these last few years um as i wrote in my 2009 book what was the name of that book i can't uh this what's going on right now reminds me of um in 2009 the calves won 66 games they went 8-0 the first two rounds of the playoffs obliterated the first two opponents, but weren't like amazingly impressive. They just, they got through the series.
They had to wait nine days and they played Orlando mad, the Orlando magic who had just come off a seven game series with the Celtics. Same situation.
Orlando wins on a Sunday afternoon and comes to Cleveland to play the number one seed, 66 wins, Celtics have 64 wins.

And the Cavs weren't ready for it.

Now that Orlando team was not the sixth seed.

They were, I think the three seed, I think they won like 57 games.

It's not exactly apples to apples,

but I remember about that game is the magic hit the floor.

Like they had been driving in a race going a hundred miles an hour and the

Cavs hit the floor. Like they were slowly merging on like grandma looking over their shoulder with the turn signal on and so that's one thing i'll say about this is that the pacers have been playing meaningful every game matters basketball even back into the back end of the regular season because they were trying to get that 60 they didn't want the seven and go into the play-in and that's why they haven't lost a home game in two months i think the last home game they lost was like march 18th because all those games they had to win and when you're when you're the sixth seed you can't be losing a home game in the playoffs and think you have any chance and so they haven't they've got they've approached all those home games seriously the other thing is it seems to me like the pacers fans don't sell their tickets so you know the knicks have a huge fan base you saw them and i know philadelphia and indiana it's different but you know i think there's not a lot of knicks fans the chicago area or whatever when when the when the doors opened up for game three like all of a sudden like the first 20 fans that came down to the court were Knicks fans.

I was like, oh boy, here we go again.

Nope.

That whole crowd was that gold, yellow, whatever you want to call it.

That place is a hard place to play.

So I know that the Pacers are much more in rhythm than the Celtics

because these two series that the Celtics had,

they were not exactly put the gas to the floor series. The Celtics have had time off and the Pacers are awesome at home so I do think this is not going to be a pushover the Celtics are going to have to play yeah and then the same sentence same paragraph I'll say the Pacers are there in large part because the teams that they played were so banged up no Gian Giannis, then Dame got hurt.
Half the Knicks got hurt, and they were already missing Julius Randle. I want to honor the Pacers in the same way as saying that they were the beneficiary of not playing a team like the Celtics to this point.
Yeah, a good answer. I think that's valid.
That's valid because they took care of business, and the Knicks weren't necessarily an easy out for them. That was a seven-game series, and they gave them all they could handle, even with the depleted roster.
But I do feel like the Pacers, they can score, and the Celtics, they have a couple games, it feels like, every series for the last few years where they just forget how to shoot, where they can't make a shot. And if you do that— Sometimes PFT, sometimes they don't dribble.
Yeah. Sometimes they forget how to dribble.
Yeah. And if you can't, if you can't dribble or shoot, the Pacers are going to outscore you.
They'll be able to do that. So I feel like, I feel like the Celtics should win this series.
They should win it easily, but I wouldn't be shocked if the Pacers took two off them. Yeah.
I think that's a fair thing to say. The other thing is like the Celtics, they've cost me so much time with my family the last two years.

What I mean by that is they've had so many series

that should have been over and that they messed around in

when I could have come home in between series.

That's when you, as a media member, that's when you get acutely aware of everything that happens in a game and, um, you know, getting, getting down three Oh to the, to the heat and then winning three in a row and then losing game seven. If I was a Celtics fan, I don't know if I'd have been able to recover from the experience of that series, you know? And, and so that's the thing.
They never do what you expect them to do. Yeah.
Yeah. No, yeah.
There are two losses. This, this, uh, playoffs have been like blowout losses, which had you, which had you scratch your head, but then what do they do? They just dominate the team after that.
And it's like, that was never even a doubt. There's so much better than thes in the heat.
Well, it's game twos, right? Boston sports. Boston sports in general cannot win a game two in a series.
That's what Hank's been saying, so he's worried about game twos. All right, so I like your answer, though, with the Pacers playing meaningful games the last two months, and the Celtics have been on cruise control.
I still think they're going to win this series somewhat easily, but that is a wrinkle. I had a question for you about, so I did a bad job probably explaining it on our show on Monday, but the Mavs proved that tanking works with Derek Lively playing incredible in game six.
I remember the NBA media and everyone being pretty upset that the Mavs were blatantly tanking when they still couldn't. Luka was pissed off.
Yeah. They still could have made the play-in game.
Is the league going to now overreact to this? Because I am a big believer if your team doesn't have a chance to win a championship, think about the future. Don't think about playing in a play-in game and getting one more home court sale for the owner.
Think about the future. And that's what the Mavs did.
And they did it and it worked. Yeah.
And so Luca had in, in the closeout game against the, the thunder, Luca had a couple of like alley oops to Derek lively. And he kind of had like this sly smile at the end of the game and the post game press conference.
He was like, I'm actually pretty happy that the Mavericks got Derek lively. Right.
Which was his sort of, I mean, it was already obviously well known, but it was sort of his little like wink. Like, I guess it was worth it.
Here's the thing about the NBA. You can tank.
Just don't say you're tanking. That's when you get in trouble.
You know, when you say that you're tanking is when you get in trouble. And, you know, I think there have been a fine or two over the years.
I think the Mavericks even got hit with it because I think Mark Cuban, like in an interview, someone said, well, we tanked. They don't care.
They just, you know, it's like they didn't care that you rested the players. They just wanted you to, like, announce it in advance or sometimes not even say that they were resting.
It's about perception that you don't need, like, you don't need to bring in like a hundred thousand dollar consultant, uh, who's got, you know, three management degrees and 50 years of experience fixing distressed companies to get the idea that looking at how the NBA rules work and have suggesting tanking, you know, go tell the, um,

the San Antonio Spurs that tanking doesn't work.

Right.

Yeah.

Excuse me.

Yeah.

Uh,

they got Tim Duncan and they got Victor Wembenyama by blatantly tanking in

both situations.

Yeah.

So,

uh,

of course.

And it,

but not only that,

but they,

the Mavericks,

one of the big problems of Mavericks had last year was that they were

after the Kyrie trade is that they were ridiculously top heavy. They had those guys, and that's it.
And Nico Harrison, who's their GM, and Mark Cuban, who's involved with those kind of things, they really got creative in ways to get a couple of extra guys to fill this roster out. And one of them was tanking to get Derek Lively.
And by the way, they did a draft night trade. They, they, they not only tanked, they did their work on the scouting end and correctly identified that Derek Lively was the guy that was going to fit perfect for them.
And then when they, and then they drew, got their information about other teams. And then when they got to draft night, they saw an opportunity to move back in the draft and maneuver a little bit and still get the guy that they wanted.
And those assets helped them later on. They did a deal with Sacramento and they got kind of creative.
And it's actually kind of fascinating. This trade deadline trade they made with Oklahoma city.
They needed, they needed an extra first round pick. They only were allowed to trade one because they traded a bunch of stuff for Kyrie.
They needed, they wanted to, well, they really wanted to trade for Kyle Kuzma, but Kyle Kuzma said he didn't want to be a maverick. And the wizards actually allowed him to veto the trade, which is one of the most amazing stories of the NBA season.
Um, and they went on the record, Michael Winger, their team president won the record and said, yeah, we, we went to Kyle Kuzma and said, do you want to go to Dallas? No. Okay.
See, see okay see you at practice tomorrow it was like they thought they were going to trade for kyle kuzma but they made this trade with oklahoma city where they traded a pick swap like in 2030 for a first round pick and they would use that pick to trade for pj washington i'm like look i'm not even blaming the thunder. They, that pick swap in 2030,

who knows where Luke is going to be.

That might end up being a top five pick.

I know,

but PJ Washington splashing threes on the thunder when they enabled that

trade,

maybe a little bit harder for breakfast to go down in the morning,

but they did a great job in Dallas to manufacture getting Derek Lively

because they very easily could have been in and out of the playoffs

and not had that pick.

Manufacturing how to get a P.J. Washington.

Gafford was sort of the backup deal when Kuzma said no,

but they did do that trade.

They did acquire that player.

And they've added three rotation players one year to the next,

like three rotation players on a conference finals team. Like that's not easy to do.
And without sacrificing either of their two top star players. So yeah, Lively was part of an overall strategy by Nico Harrison, who is their GM or president, whatever his title is, was really good work.
Yeah. That's fascinating.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's crazy to go back and look how everything came together and they played it exactly perfectly. And Lively, he's so fun to watch.
He's so high energy on defense. He gets the boards.
He does like all the dirty work. So I got a fun parlor game for us.
You were talking about the first take parlor games. Who is the best third option on any of the remaining teams? If we're doing it like that, saying, okay, the role players are going to be the difference in the playoffs, who is the best third one? That's a good question.
Thank you. I like it.
Thank you. I like it.
Thank you. I don't think you would make it to first take because we don't care about third options on first take.
We only care about seven different guys and about four different teams. Well, you guys do the robin yeah batman robin which is an important conversation to have we don't do alfred

alfred doesn't make it yeah yeah make the cut pardon my take alfred yeah let's do the alfred

no alfred yeah okay got it um really actually really good question great question thanks you

don't even have to answer that was just yeah just yeah we're done you keep telling me how great it

was porzingis is alfred there wait and we and And we don't know how good he's going to be. Wait.
Is Porzingis your Alfred? Yeah. You don't think so? You think he's Robin? I think Derek White.
Derek White has been so good. Maybe it's just because Porzingis has been injured.
But when Derek White is going, that Celtics team feels like it has a different gear. He's playing like an Alfred.
Right. I'll give you that.
That's right. And Porzingis has been injured.
Okay, that's fair. I think they need Porzingis to be the Alfred.
Okay, that's fair. Yep.
He's a cat woman. But White has played like an Alfred.
Yeah. He's a, of all the classic Alfreds.
Yeah. Has there been more of a classic, more classic Alfred than Derek White this year? I think not.
Derek White actually has been he he had a few games we played but like batman pooh you're not kidding superman also you know he did something interesting they offered him a contract extension last fall which i don't know how much they offered him he turned it down he's the contract he's on right now is like it's it's good but like he is so much better than that he totally like kind of bet on himself and maybe it was a no-brainer turn it down like i don't know what the numbers were then he had this awesome season boston's got to pay him yeah like it's like so so jason so uh jaylen brown's 300 million dollar contract starts next year it was signed a year early tatum has already qualified for his 300 million actually actually jalen browns came in a little below 300 it was like 288 i think jalen uh or i think jason tatum's is going to be about like 308 or something like that so they're going to sign him he's good they're giving him 300 million they have to you're gonna pay derrick White, by the way. That's going to be an expensive team.
All right, so Porzingis. Porzingis is your number one Alfred.
I think so. But, you know, like, P.J.
Washington was pretty important in that series. He was a big Alfred.
He was a big Alfred. He was a big Alfred.
Yeah, I'm going to stick with Porzingzingis okay final answer all right what what about what about the the wolves alfred who's the alfred that needs some because you know you'd think it would be a however you look at it rudy or cat but it could easily be a jayden mcdaniels yeah i think mcdaniels is big but you know um nikola yokich who is not somebody who i would say is effusive about too many things. You know what? He basically gave Mike Conley a valentine after getting eliminated.
And also you always congratulate the opposition when you lose, but you're not in the mood when you're sitting up there and you're thinking about your season being over. He took the time to basically completely applaud Mike Conley.
And so while Conley is not going to put up 25 a game normally, he gets them organized because, you know, that team gets a little wild. You know, cat starts having possessions where things go a little crazy and goes a little off board And Conley always does the right thing.
Sometimes it's to get the ball and immediately pass it. He has the ball in his hand for two tenths of a second because that's the right thing to do.
Sometimes what he does is he gets the ball and he's like, okay, you go over here. You get over there.
Rudy needs a touch. Rudy's getting frustrated.
He's blowing steam a little bit. We're going to give Rudy Gobert a touch because it's going to help us on the defensive end.
Mike Conley, I think, is probably their third. Jaden McDaniels is more important, I guess, because they got to use him on Luka.
But Mike Conley playing well and being healthy and doing his job, I think, is third most important. And the games he didn't play this postseason, they did look like a much different team.
They looked way worse, way less organized. Ant said that.
He was like, they're like, what's the adjustment? He's like, we didn't have Mike Conley. Feels like the Timberwolves have several Alphards, like Nas Reed.
He could be an Alford too. Wow.
I love Nas Reed. Nas Reed's awesome to watch.
So much fun. That stretch he had in game seven was like a two-minute stretch where he completely dominated the game on both ends.
Like it feels And he, that stretch he had in game seven, where it was like a two minute stretch where he completely dominated the

game on both ends.

Like,

it feels like he has that every other game where it's like,

Oh,

this game was just decided by Nas Reed.

Just outplaying everyone.

Man of the year.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he is so strong.

He's so strong.

There's not,

you know what?

There's a lot of super subs,

you know,

you know,

you're talking about Alfred talk about super subs.

I don't know.

Work on your cartoon. Yeah.
Com for that. subs.
I don't know. Work on your cartoon.com for that, PFT.
Yeah, I don't know. TJ McConnell.
Yep. Guy is amazing.
I mean, just watch TJ McConnell play. It's just amazing.
Peyton Pritchard, who is an absolute pest when he comes in the game for Boston. You got Nas Reed, defensive, or a sixth man of the year, and Derek Lively comes off the bench.
I mean, super subs. And by the way, that's one of the reasons why these teams are here, because they have good penches.
You forgot Luka Garza. Luka Garza, by the way.
Yeah. That dude is freaking ripped.
If you see his dad, his dad's's big too i don't want to mess with his dad yeah i i mean that guy is even in a league where you see freak athletes because with all due respect like nfl players and baseball players oh the freak athletes are in the NBA. Yeah.
players are not taking a certain nfl players where that are credit incredible athletes like for example when i sit next to shannon sharp on the set of first take i look at him he's like 50 something years old i'm like how the hell did anybody ever tackle him yeah ever but even amongst the freak athletes the NBA, where you've got these 6'10 guys who are ripped, Luka Garza stands out. That guy is buff.
And I loved it when, you know, it's like whenever you get the Luka Garza minutes, you're like, all right, Timberwolves are rolling. So it's, you know, he's got a match feeling good.
He's not quite Darko Milicic victory cigar, but I could see that. I would never say that to him.
No. Oh, no, Mr.
Garza, please. No.
Please enter the game. Definitely not.
Allow me. Yes.
Yes. All right.
Well, Wendy, I had one last question for you. You don't do predictions, by the way.
Wendy doesn't do predictions, which I respect. I mean, sometimes I get, like, tricked into it, so maybe you're going to trick me into it, but I prefer not to.
Yeah like i said i listened to you to you and and bond temps and mcmahon and and you you actually did accidentally predict that the nuggets were going to win that series by the way shady business on that particular thing because we have a group chat where we talk about the show before the show i'm sure you guys maybe send a text to each other. Oh, yeah.
And I said Nuggets are going to win the series,

like when it was 2-1.

And they took that.

You don't bring the group chat.

Oh, yes.

Your different rules.

Everything is said in the group chat here is said out loud.

You know it's fair game.

Everything.

That's why our pre-podcast conversation.

Yeah.

Listen, there are no.

I mean, when Hank takes a nap every other day, we tape him doing it taking a nap like everything i see no i got it yeah i got it yeah we're on the record all the time so our pre-podcast conversations on text are basically just like what do you guys want to eat for dinner yeah and then and then if hank tries to jinx one of our bets so you're saying i gotta take the l not only that i made a prediction that wasn't to be public, that turned out to be wrong. Yeah.
You can't make the prediction. Yeah.
Yeah. Wherever you make the prediction, it still counts.
Because that tells me that you do make predictions. You just don't want to do it publicly.
Yeah. You don't want to get the backlash if you're wrong.
So you have to be about that life on and off the court. Yes.
Busted. Okay.
All right. So my last question, the rowback question, RHOBACK.com promo-A-C-K.com, promo code TAKE.
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But if we were to see a text message on a group chat from Wendy, he would have said with the final four set, this team's gonna win it all again this is not

a prediction if boston doesn't win it's a terrible missed opportunity okay i like that way you spend

it because that's not a prediction because like who is like boston first off they've been here a

whole bunch of times like six or whatever conference finals in the last like nine years

lebron's not in their way the warriors are not in their way yannis who they had to go seven

And I think that's a good thing. whatever conference finals in the last like nine years lebron's not in their way the warriors are not in their way yannis who they had to go seven a couple years ago and they only won that series really because middleton got hurt yannis they didn't make it there because he was hurt uh the team that the only team that handled them all year long in a regular season was the nuggets you know i think they lost three games in boston nuggets came in there and handled them uh they're gone like i'm not saying that you know luke is a pushover and is a pushover i'm not you know disrespecting the pacers but if you're gonna win the title how can you you got home court you're playing the sixth seed again with all due respect to the nuggets they're the or the uh, they're the sixth seed.
You're playing the sixth seed in the conference finals. If you're not going to win 18, banner 18, that's the whole thing about Boston, Boston, LA.
They both got 17 banners. They both won 18.
When is it going to happen? I mean, yeah, they've got an injury to Porzingis, but look at at the other teams other teams have also had injuries you know so but it's sitting there in boston's lap they got to take it also they haven't had to work they hadn't had to stress the last half of the last quarter of the season they haven't really had to stress in these playoffs like there's just there's just no assuming health they got nothing to they got no excuses okay you're saying it's now or never. Good non-prediction, but I get what you're saying.
Championship window closing on the Celtics if they don't win. I will say this.
This year and next year, with where the Celtics' salaries are, because you look at who they're paying, they're going to have three guys making $300 million. Poor Zingas, what he's making.
They're going to have to pay Derekrick white they just extended drew holiday they are not the the clippers their ownership does not have uh 120 billion dollars they cannot historically they cannot pay unlimited amount of luxury tax their team is set up this particular group is set up for this year and next year then i think they will have to potentially retrofit a little bit doesn It doesn't mean they're not going to have Tatum and Brown in there, but if they're going to win it, it's, it was, even if they were playing the 86 version of the Celtics or the 97 bulls or whatever, it was going to be, this was going to be their prime prime these two years. So even more amped up 2024 and 2025, I'm sorry, are where the Celtics have to hit it.
And this is, this is a great opportunity right now. Well Wendy you're the best.
We appreciate you as always. Go buy a book so we can get an update on LeBron's strength.
Thank you so much and we'll see you on TV and hear you on podcasts. How strong is Luka Garza? He's so strong.
I said so buff yeah he's that's different than strong by the way yeah i one tends to go with the other but luca garza i'm just telling you man don't bleep talk luca garza okay all right that's good good lasting advice and tell us about kairi's eclipse stats too yeah let us know even if i'm gonna get back to you on that yeah find like one, one small part of his game, if that's all that it takes. That's taken an enormous leap since then.
We'll just run with that. The zone of totality.
That's what they should call his cheering section in Dallas, the zone of totality. I love it.
I love it. All right, thank you so much, Wendy.
Take care, guys. We got part in your take coming up.
Max, going in this ad read, you had a take that I think actually could be on part in your take. What is it? The EA Sports College Football Franchise Best Franchise in All Video Games.
I would agree with that. I agree.
That's a solid take. That's a good take.
So this entire segment is brought to you by EA Sports. Very excited.
We saw the trailer. The trailer dropped on Friday.
Incredible. It was awesome.
I love that there was allegations of maybe trolling Ohio State state um this is college football it's the most college football thing ever where you can drop a video game and the trailer for it makes people mad because their team wasn't featured enough and this is why i mean this is why it's the best game because it's the most passionate fan bases and an incredible video game put them together it's just non-stop content great times great times college. College Football 25 coming out.
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Number one. It might be.
Yeah, I can't wait for this game. I cannot wait for this game.
All right, Hank, pardon your takes. Hey, guys.
Hey, Hank. I have sports theory about the PGA.
I have reasons to believe that Scotty was set up to be arrested. If you look at the PGA numbers the day before, it was extremely down, and they've been down all season.
That's a little editorial I added. Oh.
So. Oh, that was Liv Hank? It's just a fact.
They paid a cop to tell Scotty the wrong information. The police department knew what time he'd be coming in and what car he would be in.
I believe it was set up for a large number of views the next couple of days. Xander, a PGA stan, was given the opportunity to make a great story, which he did.
The story doesn't

add up. I'll be doing more investigating

to this subject. Have a great day.
I like this. I like

this a lot. False flag arrest.
Look up

Operation Northwoods. We have

a history of this type of stuff.

What happened to Operation Northwoods?

The CIA was trying to have people hijack

airplanes and then crash them

and then blame it on the government of Cuba so we'd invade

Cuba. And then John F.
Kennedy said

no, we're not going to do that because we're

I'm not. The CIA was trying to have people hijack airplanes and then crash them and then blame it on the government of Cuba so we'd invade Cuba.
Oh. And then John F.
Kennedy said, no, we're not going to do that because we're not going to murder our own citizens. And then the CIA killed him.
Ooh. But yeah, same thing.
Same thing. Same thing happened with Scotty Scheffler.
Cuba arrested Scotty Scheffler. History doesn't necessarily repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes.
I like this take a lot. I mean, that was a story that took over the entire internet that casual fans, sports fans, had to have seen.
It led everything. And Scotty winning would have been boring for the sport.
Right. So they're like, what if Scotty winning with a felony? Well, how do we get him to not win? Well, that wasn't why he didn't win.
He didn't win because he just didn't have his caddy on Saturday. Also, Jeff.
That's the craziest story ever. Jeff Darlington, he's an NFL guy.
Yeah. He happened to be there.
Oh. To be the one that saw this.
Interesting. That is interesting, isn't it? Maybe Schefter, because you know Schefter is in the Illuminati.
He probably was like, I'll throw you a bone, Jeff Darlington. You can have this one.

Well, I was thinking that if it was a PGA reporter, if it was someone esteemed, like

Dan Rappaport that was there,

he would never go along with anything like this.

But you call in a hired gun from

the outside, Darlington's your patsy.

He brings you in, now you've got the

report front and center video evidence.

Why did it take an hour for Jeff to release

the video that he took of Scotty getting arrested? Have you thought about that one he had the video before he had the tweet but he put the tweet out first then an hour later put out the video was it edited yeah he had to send it back to bristol yeah this all makes sense i like it yeah good take because they're scared of hank and the live boys it's a good take uh an idea that will right all that is wrong with this country. Oh.
Prison league basketball is televised and in ranked bracket. Winning team is freed from prison.
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, in. Yeah, sure.
100% in. What I heard was more sports.
I'm actually shocked that Mr. Beast hasn't figured out a way to do a free the prisoners.

I got a thousand prisoners, and I see which one could stand for the longest.

Doesn't that feel like something he's maybe working on?

Like squid games?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I can see it.

I built a giant horse, and I put a bunch of soldiers inside of it, and now we're wheeling

it up to Moscow, Russia to see if they accept this gift. i i could see it for sure i have a question that should have happened a few weeks ago oh but do you think when a player is surrounded by a bunch of other four five-star prospects that it hurts a player's potential growth one school that specifically comes to mind is alabama outside of wide receiver running back they historically don't have great nfl showing despite being drafted high i am not an alabama hater that's also not not true but there are many situations i think what he's talking about is quarterback standout bama ohio state clemson etc that don't perform well in nfl offensive linemen and quarterbacks stick out particularly yeah so quarter i guess you could say in recent history Alabama earama uh earmuffs big cat no i know ohio state yeah um ohio state forever the quarterbacks don't pan out maybe it's because they've got great receive they don't have to work on the the small details as much as the guys that that don't have all that talent around them but then how would you explain joe burrow it's a fair point lsu right he He had great receivers.
Justin Jefferson. Like he had incredible receivers around him.
But they're not traditionally a quarterback. No, but I'm saying like how would you explain a guy like that who is good in college with incredible talent and then also good in the NFL.
He was actually the double threat. He was LSU and Ohio State.
Yeah.

No, this is a regular take.

I kind of agree with it because you guys get – if everyone is always open,

it's going to be easier and harder to grade.

But what about quarterbacks that go to maybe not as good of a program and they play worse competition?

So it's easier for them because they're not playing as good defenses.

Josh Allen. Jay Cutler was really the best example of this.
Jay Cutler at Vandy. Caleb Williams.
Didn't have great receivers. Gets to the NFL, but he's still used to playing against SEC defenses.
It turns out that it's just hard to pick quarterbacks. Yeah, probably.
All right, last one. The NBA season should start in December and finals should finish first week of August.
Yes. Played fully indoors so the weather doesn't matter.
It fills the void of no major sports in July and early August, and it did compete with NFL viewers for less than two months, or for two less months. Everybody wins.
I don't think it should go to August because, like, when you're in July, you don't want to be sitting inside watching, like, sports the it's the conference championship. But I am a big proponent of starting it, like 60-game season started on December 25th.
Remember the year, the lockout year? Yeah. That was awesome.
It was good. Best schedule.
What if it was the NHL that did that? That way you get to go to hockey games in July. It's nice and cool in there yeah i just think that the like july is very hard yeah to get people to watch so i yeah i i am i think every sport outside of football should do smaller seasons like 60 games in the nhl and the nba it feels like it would be, you just have more at stake.

MLB should be like 120. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
We're just, cause that's really, and it's, you can't do 18 games or 17 games like they do in the NFL, but that's why the NFL, part of the reason why the NFL is so highly rated and so widely popular is every single week matters. There's only 17 of them.
I can't imagine that what are the average like

ticket gates for nba games in the month of november still pro i mean in big cities probably still very deep they're still making enough money where the owners will never agree to yeah no they'll never shorten it yeah because also the that's less tv revenue true like if anything they'll probably do more games well maybe some doubleheaders. Yeah, doubleheaders.
That'd be sick. Doubleheader NBA game would be awesome.
It'd be great. Yeah.
Load management city. Tibbs would love some doubleheaders.
Or just have it be like AAU week where it's like every team plays. They play doubleheaders and also every single day.
Like, they do a full tournament for five days straight. Yeah.
Just knock out 15 games. Yeah, that would rock.
That's what they used to do in UFC too. Yeah.
It would just be like you have to keep fighting this entire weekend. Yeah.
I do think the NBA should – I actually think one thing the NBA could fix – for most of the NBA season, it's what, like three games a week, right? If the NBA should do a consistent, call it Tuesday, Friday, or whatever you want to do where it's like these are the two days that everyone plays so people can start getting their schedules around it where it's like I don't know how it would actually work out if there's enough games, but, like, if you had an actual day where it's like these are the days that are played, Tuesday, Friday, you know you're going're going to get to see like the entire full slate of NBA. I think that would be cool.
It's like in football. You know that the games are going to be on Sunday and then Mondays and then sometimes Wednesdays and then every Thursday and then also some Fridays.
Black Friday and Saturdays late in the season. They make it very easy for football fans to know when the games are on.
There's only six to seven days. Yes.
Except for COVID. Then there was a Tuesday.
There was a Tuesday night, Monday night football. And we have Brazil Friday this year, week one.
Brazil Friday, yeah. And the Black Friday last year.
Let's go birds. Yeah.
What was that? Let's go birds. The birds played Brazil.
How do you think the bird season is going to go this year? Great. Why? Why did you say it like that? Tough division.
Are you worried at all that you got the guy? What is this? It's too early for this. It goes directly from Embiid season to Jalen Hurts season.
Are you sure? Oh, yeah. Couldn't be more sure.
100% the guy. 100%.
Okay. 100%.
Nick Sirianni? Jalen Hurts. You think he's the guy? Sirianni could be back.
I'm pretty confident. I'm going in this season optimistic with Sirianni.
We got good coordinators this year. We didn't have good coordinators last year.
Leader of men. This isn't Eagles talk.
Okay. Well, you said go birds.
You said the Brazil game. No, no.
He said the Brazil game. Jake said the Brazil game.
The booth started the Eagles talk. We were talking about days.
Yeah. Sorry.
Birds. And I was.
No, Jake, don't apologize for that. We were having a days conversation.
Yeah. And then Max had to insert his birds into a conversation.
Well, you bring up the birds. It's my God-given right to say go birds.
It was very funny. Max did an interview.
What's the show's name? Barstool Breakdown. Barstool Breakdown.
Those guys are awesome. But Max did an interview.
He was retelling, coming on with Part of My Take, and Hank telling him, like, hey, this is going to work out because you're a big Philly guy. And Big Cat said he wants a big Philly guy.
And Max said back to Hank, like, okay, but I don't really know when that's going to come up.

Yeah, that did happen.

Whoops.

Okay.

Let's finish the show.

Numbers.

Eight.

Forty-six.

Twenty.

Twenty.

Oh.

That was a dead heat.

Check it.

That was a dead heat.

I think Big Cat got it.

Shut up.

Rocks, paper, shoes, shoe, for it.

I mean, 18.

Well, you're a skill.

No, I mean, I'm a rider.

Dead heat.

Who got it?

You got it?

Looks like Big Cat's like a hater.

All right, 56.

Let's go.

All right, Shane.

Shane?

99, pug.

Shane, Shane, Shane? 21. Three.
Lottery ball has a chance to do the funniest thing right now. Let's go.
46. That's me.
You got it? Yeah. Wait, seriously? Yeah.
Oh, I didn't even hear you say it. You're not even that excited, Hank.
We got it. We got it.
It's easy to do. Good job, Hank.
46. Jordy 40.
Dude. Really happy for you.
It's so fucking easy to do, right? Wow. Max, did you take anything from that? Like, that was Hank just showed you how fucking easy this is.
I know. He showed PFD and I.
It's really easy. No, he showed you.
No, he showed PFD and I. Hank, were you showing me? Yeah, I didn't like that.
Were you showing me or were you showing Max how easy it was? I mean, Max is one of those things. He's just a loser.
Yeah, right. Exactly.
It's fun to win in his face, but it's also like he's never going to get there. Right.
He's never going to get it. I have gotten it.
You know that he's never going to get it. I have gotten it.
No. No.
You haven't. No, you haven't.
And I it in New York before you did, buddy. It doesn't matter.
I feel like 46 has come up a lot. Easy, Hank.
I just started picking it. Yeah, Hank, that wasn't even...
You didn't even react. Good luck.
Let's go. Good luck numbers.
Third time. I'm part of my balls.com.
20 sucks. Hank is a fucking beast at this.
Good work, Hank. Yeah, Max.
Just... PFT.
Hank, real quick. How did you do that? You know...
How'd you do it? I just picked two numbers that were good luck, you know? Reminded me of some friends, and those were their lucky numbers, so I combined them. Joe Biden? Yeah.
You just said the number, right? Yeah, 46. PFT, we can learn from this.
The number came up? It just popped right up. We can learn from this.
Did you say 46? No, that was impressive. I've been saying it.
Okay. No, that was good.
Your reaction has me very confused. Max, you're talking a lot.
I just, it's like I've already won before. Just so you know, Max, you're talking a whole lot right now.
For someone who's not mad. I'm not mad.
I'm just, I mean, something we can learn on. Learn from? Learn from.
Learn learn from learn from listen max i don't give a fuck about the lottery machine because either again you're talking a lot jesus christ max uh i don't give a fuck about it it's just numbers it's going to happen eventually it's just statistics for me so i'm not concerned at all about it that's why i'm not forcing myself to nod my head a lot and say yeah i, I'm going to get this. PF2, you're going to get this.

You're not going to get it because you're so nervous about it.

You're going to psych yourself out.

The lottery ball knows.

It's like a dog.

They smell the fear.

They don't want anything to do with it.

Max hates dogs, too.

Right.

That was so good, Hank.

Thank you.

You're the fucking man.

Thank you.

Max, maybe wake up tomorrow and be like, how can I be more like Hank?

Well, actually, no, that wouldn't be waking up. Maybe sleep in tomorrow and be like, how can I be more like Hank? Well, actually, no, that wouldn't be waking up.

Maybe sleep in tomorrow and be like, how can I be more like Hank?

Love you guys.

I'm talking away.

I don't know what I'm to say.

I'm to say it anyway.

Today's another day to find you.

Shine away. I'm coming for your love, okay? Take on me Take me on I'll be gone In a day of tea Needless to say I'm on sentence But I'm used to A little way But I'll learn if life is okay Say after me It's no better to be safe than sorry Take on me Take me I'll be gone And after your turn All the things that we say Is it life or just to play my worries away?

You are the things I've got to remember.

You're shying away.

Well, I'll be coming for you anyway.

Take on me.

Take me. Take me on.

I'll be gone.

In a dream. We'll be right back.
Thank you.