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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take,

Speaker 1 we have two great guests. We have PGA champ Xander Shafley fresh off his first major, really awesome interview with him, talking about winning the trophy on, what is it, the Wanamaker?

Speaker 4 The Wanamaker trophy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Wanamaker. He won the Wanamaker on Sunday.
We talk about his final round.

Speaker 4 Remember when Morakowa spilled the lid off it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a good thing.

Speaker 4 A couple of years ago? Yeah, that was great. That's right.

Speaker 1 We talk about his journey through golf. Really cool guy.
Awesome interview. And then we have our good friend Brian Windhorse on to talk NBA, a little preview of the conference finals.

Speaker 1 Also, we have a new way to scout players, thanks to Wendy. We're going to talk Celtics surviving game one.

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Today is Wednesday, May 22nd, and the Boston Celtics survive game one in overtime,

Speaker 1 and they win one that,

Speaker 1 what was that?

Speaker 4 I was doing two.

Speaker 4 I was doing two.

Speaker 1 What was the twos for?

Speaker 4 The two was they needed to win this one because game two is coming up and the Celtics never win game twos.

Speaker 1 That was,

Speaker 1 Hank, you have to say that was like one of those ones where like we shouldn't have won that game but we did no it was a huge it was a wake-up call win which are the best types of wake-up calls yeah well you guys needed so weird because they needed wake-up calls like that game felt like it was over and then they took their foot off the gas in the third quarter and all of a sudden Halliburton hits that crazy bank shot to end the quarter.

Speaker 1 You're like, wait, this is a fucking one-possession game. What's going on?

Speaker 3 Yeah, even in the second quarter, they were up a lot and they kind of blew the lead going into halftime. They tied it up.

Speaker 3 I mean, that's been the Celtics team for the last three, four, five years is being really good, getting up, taking their foot off the gas.

Speaker 3 Always close games no matter what.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 they overcame, they were stumbling at the end of the fourth quarter, a couple of really bad turnovers.

Speaker 3 Jalen Brown was not playing good in the fourth quarter, and then he came up clutch when it mattered most.

Speaker 4 It was a crazy shot that he hit, too. It felt like the Celtics had the game in hand.
They were up by three points. They had the ball.
The Celtics had missed a couple. The Pacers had the game in hand.

Speaker 4 Pacers had the game in hand. Celtics had missed a couple three-point shots to try to tie the game up.
Pacers advanced the ball past half court. Boneheaded turnover.
Celtics get another crack at it.

Speaker 4 And then Jalen Brown's three. Felt like it was off balance.
It felt like it had no chance at all in going in. It went in.

Speaker 4 And at that point, it was like all the momentum shifted because the Pacers had the game won. Yes.
And they gave it away.

Speaker 4 And when you give a game away like that in the last like 20 seconds, it feels like even if it goes into overtime, there's nothing good that's going to happen to you.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Our guy Stad Hole just texted me. He said both teams tonight had a 98% chance to win the game in regulation.
Neither team won it in regulation. That's pretty crazy.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that was. Those things are always so crazy.
Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 but they're fun to just look at and be like, oh, man, 98%.

Speaker 4 Unless you're a Falcons fan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, unless you're a Falcons fan.

Speaker 1 And the Pacers, like, I thought the Pacers were going to come out flat in this game because they just played a game seven on Sunday,

Speaker 1 two days' rest, or, you know, one day off. And being like, all right, now you've got to jump into the Celtics.
They just kept fighting, kept making shots. They're just keep shooting.

Speaker 1 They cooled off towards the end, but there was a moment in this game where they were shooting like 58% again,

Speaker 1 insane. And I mean, they look at least like they're in this series.

Speaker 4 Their game seven.

Speaker 1 They should have won this game.

Speaker 4 Their game seven was also like half of the game seven. Yeah.
Because they put that away early. So it's not like they had to fight for an entire game against the Knicks.

Speaker 4 But I was surprised that they were able to to hang in there for as long as they did. I thought at the end of this game,

Speaker 4 when the Celtics ended up winning, I thought that the Pacers might be able to build off it. But then I just thought for a little bit longer, and this seems like the most demoralizing loss possible.

Speaker 1 Well, it is.

Speaker 1 It also was weird because it was, if you remember the last sequence, I thought it was going to happen on the Derrick White rebound where he had that incredible rebound and was just out-hustling everyone, and they kick it out, and Jason Tatum misses a shot, and then the Pacers get the ball back, and you're like, now it is officially over.

Speaker 4 The thing about the Pacers is they're really good offensively, right? They can score a shitload of points, but if it's a close game,

Speaker 4 they panic. They just smash the panic button.
They freak out, and their coach was terrible taking his timeouts. Rick Carlisle didn't do shit in the last minute of that game that he should have done.

Speaker 1 I also think Pascal Siakam, like, he got stuck in this spot. Jalen Brown can't hit free throws.
Hank, you've been talking about it all year.

Speaker 1 It bothers you. You get scared when he goes to the free throw line.
I just like in that situation,

Speaker 1 I'm not a big follow-up three with eight seconds left. I'm more like follow-up three with five seconds left and under.

Speaker 1 But when Jalen Brown gets the ball, it's like he, it felt like Pascal Siakam was about to foul, and then he realized, oh shit, he's going to shoot. Yeah.
And then didn't get a hand in the face.

Speaker 1 And then you get that, which was an incredible shot by Jalen Brown.

Speaker 3 And Jalen Brown, he hit the shot. He had two free throws at the end of the fourth quarter.
Yeah. And he kind of forced the turnover.

Speaker 1 And he went left. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He was dribbling with his left hand.

Speaker 1 What happened?

Speaker 3 Don't see Gutsy win.

Speaker 1 What happened to Jason Tatum in the fourth quarter?

Speaker 3 He scored 10 points in overtime, which is the most

Speaker 1 quarter.

Speaker 3 I mean, he missed open shot. Shooters are going to miss shots.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He did get the

Speaker 1 opening.

Speaker 3 Jalen Brown had a bad beginning in the fourth quarter, or like in that middle period where the Pacers kind of took the lead. He had a bad turnover, bad couple shots.
I think a couple turnovers.

Speaker 3 Jason Tatum missed a couple shots.

Speaker 4 They brought it back. This is the ultimate game

Speaker 4 for the Celtics, too, because they got choked to an inch of their life, and then they were able to breathe through it, maintain their composure.

Speaker 4 Missoula's doing this, and he's probably loving every second of it on the sidelines.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was a loss. It felt like a loss.
The players felt like they lost it. They had that feeling of like, oh, fuck, I can't believe we lost it at home.
We had the lead. We choked.

Speaker 3 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 Been trying not to do that.

Speaker 7 No, but you're right.

Speaker 4 A wake-up call and a win is a pretty good wake-up call. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The only thing you could say positively for the Pacers is that this same thing happened to them in the Knicks series. That game one, they got screwed, and that was a very winnable game.
Yep.

Speaker 1 And they still won that series.

Speaker 4 Well, we were saying if the Pacers had won this game, Boston loses every game two across all sports, and then the Pacers haven't lost at home since, what, March 18th?

Speaker 1 March 18th, I think so.

Speaker 4 You were staring down the barrel of a sweep.

Speaker 1 If you didn't win tonight,

Speaker 3 now we're on the other side of the barrel.

Speaker 1 Yeah, now you're on the other side of the barrel.

Speaker 4 Now, who's got the gun?

Speaker 1 Our good friend John Feidelberg, I thought, had the best tweet about Jason Tatum. I love fights because whenever the Bruins get bounced from the playoffs, he just switches to Celtics.

Speaker 1 He said, after watching one Tatum game, I'd like to loudly agree with people who think he's the best player in the league. I also agree with people who think he's a bum.

Speaker 1 I think that's put perfectly.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's Carl Anthony Townsend.

Speaker 1 Jason Tatum is just how you look at him.

Speaker 1 Hank, here's the thing: Jason Tatum is really good, but he's also a star player that, like, that's what happens to him. He's 10 points in overtime.
I understand the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Star players get criticized. If Luca puts a dud tomorrow night, we're going to talk about Luca putting up a dud tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 But still be like, oh, he's the best player in the world.

Speaker 1 I just said Jason Tatum's a fucking incredible player.

Speaker 3 But it's always the butt. It's always Jason Tatum.

Speaker 4 You know why?

Speaker 1 No, no, I'm in this course.

Speaker 7 He's incredible.

Speaker 4 I'm running this through the Hank translator right now. Hank is getting so defensive about this because Jason Tatum has never won anything.
That's why he's defensive.

Speaker 1 Nothing but success.

Speaker 4 But if Jason Tatum was like an NBA Finals MVP and you were questioning what he did in the fourth quarter, Hank would be like, yeah, he's got to show up there.

Speaker 4 But because he's Hank's guy and hasn't won anything yet, Hank has to be like, you shut your mouth. He's my special baby.

Speaker 1 I think Jason Tatum is really fucking good.

Speaker 1 If you have a really fucking good player, I just want him to take over games.

Speaker 3 And like ice the game out overtime.

Speaker 1 Overtime was great. Fourth quarter, the reason why the Pacers were even in that spot was like there was multiple times.
It was like, Tatum, do it. Go take it.
He did it.

Speaker 1 That layup he hit where TJ McConnell was basically trying to tackle him. Yeah.
It was all strength. There you go.
Was that? I feel like you just only listen to the bad things I say about him.

Speaker 3 It's not you, it's just everyone.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but also, you remember that turnover?

Speaker 1 I'm not going to say it. I can't say bad things.

Speaker 4 It was a bad pass off the picture.

Speaker 1 I can't even exist

Speaker 4 with Jason Tatum thoughts. Got to communicate better than that, Jason.

Speaker 1 I can't even exist.

Speaker 4 Hank, just when we talk about Jason Tatum, picture in your brain that he's already won in the NBA Finals and then try to absorb it through that filter.

Speaker 7 I think that's pretty fair.

Speaker 1 He had 36 tonight, 10 points in overtime.

Speaker 4 What did he do in the fourth?

Speaker 1 He had 10 minutes where he didn't score a point. It's fine.
They won the game. Who cares?

Speaker 3 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 Before the game started, Jason Tatum, 36 points, 10 points overtime. Celtics win.
Discourse is not going to be. He didn't show up in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 how is that possible? I just asked a question about the fourth quarter. I said, what about the fourth quarter?

Speaker 4 We're process guys, not results guys. That's facts.

Speaker 8 And you know that.

Speaker 3 I'm a bottom line guy.

Speaker 3 I'm a stat ticker.

Speaker 1 So if you guys hadn't won this game, what would you have said?

Speaker 3 It was bad.

Speaker 3 It was bad.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's fair. You know what? That's fair.
That's a completely fair thing. I think Jason Tatum's really good.

Speaker 3 It would have been bad for, again,

Speaker 3 both of them played bad in the fourth quarter, but then Jalen Brown saved the game, and Jason Tatum carried them in overtime. That's all you can ask from your two best players.

Speaker 1 All right, so game two, what do you think? Prediction? Blowout.

Speaker 3 Wake-up call.

Speaker 1 Which way?

Speaker 3 Celtics. Oh.

Speaker 4 Wait, wake-up call in a blowout?

Speaker 3 No, like they've been woken up.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 this was the perfect ending for you. It was was a wake-up call win.

Speaker 1 Those are very hard to come by. I know.
Yeah. Really, really hard to come by.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 That is truly when you have to be a bottom line guy, a results guy, is after a game like this.

Speaker 1 How many fucking wake-up calls does this team have?

Speaker 1 It's a wake-up call every fucking series.

Speaker 1 The pacers suck.

Speaker 1 You haven't played anybody.

Speaker 9 The pacers fucking suck. How many times are you going to get, how many fucking times are you going to get woken up by a team that fucking sucks?

Speaker 4 Max, you've seen how Hank likes to sleep in.

Speaker 1 He had several wakes up.

Speaker 9 Fuck, I'm done with it. Jason Tatum played like dick in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 He was horrible.

Speaker 9 And then they were finally like, yeah, we're playing the fucking Pacers.

Speaker 1 It's the fucking Pacers.

Speaker 4 It's like we spent the first 10 minutes of the show just like either coffee. Shaking like a carbonated bottle of Max and then just opening it.

Speaker 1 He's also sitting in it. He's sitting in memes' seat, so we can't see him.
I had no idea. And he's just, yeah, you're right.
We just. We're just needing to.
What we just did is we just.

Speaker 1 We just fucked with Max. Massachusetts is dead.
He's dead. It was a slow-mo video of putting a Mentos in a Pepsi can and just being like, all right, here we go.

Speaker 1 And then he comes out. Any thoughts of what he just said?

Speaker 3 No, I mean, it's like, again, when you make it this far in the playoffs, you play more games, so you have more opportunities for wake-up calls.

Speaker 1 That's just simple math. That's a good point.
And Hank knows something about a wake-up call. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Sometimes you need several.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, this is the first time you've played a team who actually has their best player.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and what happened? We won.

Speaker 11 I guess Brunton. I guess

Speaker 1 actually, no, I'm all fucked up. I'm all fucked up.

Speaker 1 Come back to it.

Speaker 1 I'm all fucking up. I think Jared Allen was the best.

Speaker 11 Donald Mitchell missed games.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did miss games.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he did miss games. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're back on track. All right, should we, that game seven, Oilers Canucks, I want to say, shout out Vancouver.
Did not riot.

Speaker 3 Did not riot.

Speaker 4 It felt like Vancouver was coming back, though. It felt like they were going to tie it up in the third period after they got the second goal.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 It felt like it was going to happen, that Barn was going to explode.

Speaker 1 And it was the most dominating performance for the first 50 minutes of that game. Like the shots were out of control.

Speaker 1 The Oilers, every single time the Canucks got the puck in the Oilers zone, it's like they didn't get a good shot or they didn't get a shot period. And

Speaker 1 like even the first period, like I know it was 0-0 after one, but McDavid played five minutes and they killed a four-minute penalty.

Speaker 1 And they were just like, you could just see, you're like, the Oilers are so much better. But I agree, like that, that last four minutes, you're like, oh, shit, is this about to happen?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it felt like it might. But congratulations to Edmonton.
Canada marches on. I'm just glad that we have a Canadian team that's this far.
I want to see a Canadian team.

Speaker 1 Oh, we would have, no matter what. I know, I know.

Speaker 4 But I'm glad that it's happening. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Because, like, when you watch this entire series, whether the game's being played in Edmonton or in Vancouver, the Canadian fans seem just way more amped up than most American fan bases.

Speaker 4 50-50 raffle, they walk in the door. It's like 600,000.
It's incredible. It's nuts.
They go absolutely ape shit for hockey. And I like watching it, so I'm glad.
I hope they get to the finals.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 4 I kind of just, for our own sake, I hope that Edmonton loses in the finals just for the

Speaker 1 storyline.

Speaker 1 The storyline.

Speaker 6 Just for the story of Canada.

Speaker 1 It's not who they play. If they play the Rangers, I don't think.

Speaker 4 Yeah, if they play the Rangers, I'm going to be

Speaker 4 probably rooting for, although if the Rangers win, I will count that as like a Tom Wilson Stanley Cup.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Ooh.
Edmonton, Florida would be fun for people writing stories about how far they have to travel. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Edmonton, Dallas for the same conference. That's a sneaky long trip.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 North to south. There's nothing I like more than talking about plane trips.
Travel, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We just stumbled into Warren Sharp's Twitter. Global warming, huh? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who's got the most miles?

Speaker 1 All right. Anything else before we do Hot Sea Cool Trone? Like I said, we have two awesome interviews, Xander Shafley and Brian Winhorse.

Speaker 1 Anything else going on in the sports world today

Speaker 1 that popped up? Antonio Brown. Oh, I guess maybe someone have that.

Speaker 7 Antonio Brown is bankrupt.

Speaker 4 Yeah, sad to have. Did you have that?

Speaker 1 All right, let's just do hot seat cool to wrong because we got more sports to talk about.

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Speaker 1 My host is Antonio Brown. Oh, why? What happened? He went bankrupt.
Oh, no. Declared bankruptcy.

Speaker 4 So, what's his career earnings? Let's look that up real quick.

Speaker 1 A lot.

Speaker 4 Antonio Brown. It's,

Speaker 3 I'm going to guess $78 million.

Speaker 1 $89 million.

Speaker 4 Okay, let's see here.

Speaker 1 I'm gonna guess 94 million because he wasn't obviously like highly drafted, so he probably he had to someone said 79.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I said 89.

Speaker 1 What is it?

Speaker 12 80.7

Speaker 1 on his Motrack. Ooh.

Speaker 4 Nice, Hank. So that means he doesn't have, he spent $80 million?

Speaker 1 Well, half for taxes.

Speaker 4 True. Well, he played in Florida.

Speaker 1 Another 10%. Well, only for a little.
For a little bit. Very little.

Speaker 4 And he lived with Tom Brady, so he probably saved some money there.

Speaker 1 10% on agent fee.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so now we're down. He's basically, he was broke the second he got

Speaker 1 playing for the forest. He played forgot he was on the Raiders.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he played for it. Yeah, remember that? Yeah, the hard knocks.

Speaker 1 Hot air balloon. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So I hope that the bankruptcy court proceedings are like the last episode of Seinfeld, where they just bring out every single person that he has not paid money to over the years, like whether it's any home contractor, anybody he's had do like video work for him.

Speaker 4 It's like every six months for a while, people are just saying, yeah, I worked for Antonio Brown. I was a chef, and he never paid me, and then he also sexually assaulted me.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I hope they just bring him out one by one in this hearing and have him testify for him.

Speaker 1 I also hope that CTE SPN is not part of this bankruptcy.

Speaker 4 No, that's why he started CTESPN so that those assets could not be touched by a personal bankruptcy. Got it.
Yeah, so smart, savvy business move on B's part.

Speaker 1 Hank, any thoughts on it?

Speaker 3 No, I feel bad. CTESPN.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, he definitely has CTE.

Speaker 4 Do you remember when he was just like jacking off in a pool like a year ago?

Speaker 7 That was weird.

Speaker 4 It was really strange. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was really, really weird.

Speaker 4 He's successfully done so much weird shit in the last three years. Vantez Perfect.
That you completely forget about the next one that he does.

Speaker 1 Vantes Perfect, that one hit.

Speaker 1 He really, that was

Speaker 1 kind of where you can point to it and be like, ooh,

Speaker 3 that was kind of where things changed.

Speaker 1 All right, who's your cool throne?

Speaker 3 My cool throne is Chet Hanks and White Boys.

Speaker 1 Shit, that was mine, too.

Speaker 4 White Boys on the Cool Throne?

Speaker 1 White Boys back up. White boys.
What do you say?

Speaker 3 Well, first,

Speaker 3 his dad texts him asking about the Drake situation.

Speaker 4 Wait, who's his dad?

Speaker 1 Tom Hanks. Tom Hots.
Okay. What's he been in?

Speaker 1 Catch me if you can't. That's the one you go with with Tom Hanks?

Speaker 1 I feel like it's a saving private Ryan or Forrest Gump.

Speaker 4 Forrest Gump is the 1-1.

Speaker 1 Big, right?

Speaker 3 You've got Man. Big, big is great.

Speaker 7 Big is good.

Speaker 1 But what do you think? Philadelphia. What do you think the number one, if you say Tom Hanks? Tom, the movie, and Tom Hanks.

Speaker 4 Tom Hanks had nothing but success in the movie Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What would you say? The number one Tom Hanks, if you pulled 100 people on the street, would it be Forrest Gump?

Speaker 1 Castaway would sneaky behind.

Speaker 4 I think, has he done any voices in a kids' movie?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Toy Story.

Speaker 4 Toy Story. Yeah, would he? Yeah, so it would be Toy Story or Forrest Gump, I think.

Speaker 3 You've got mail.

Speaker 4 Sleepless in Seattle.

Speaker 1 Saving Pride Ryan would be big, too. Yeah.
People love. Catch me if you can.

Speaker 3 Goaded.

Speaker 1 Great movie, but he also is not the main character.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no.

Speaker 3 Goaded.

Speaker 1 Goaded.

Speaker 1 You think you could do that?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. In the 60s?

Speaker 1 What about now?

Speaker 3 Probably not.

Speaker 3 It was so easy. Innovation, yeah, innovation.

Speaker 4 It was so easy to do crimes in the 60s.

Speaker 1 Oh, dude. Like, 100 years ago, could you move across, move to the next town? You could murder anyone.
You just fucking kill someone and just be like, all right, I'm out.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you just get on a horse and you go like 20 miles and no one knows you. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Wasn't he the first guy to get COVID?

Speaker 1 Who? Oh, he was one of them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he might have been under.

Speaker 4 You remember when he was locked in that Australian prison fair? And he had to pretend that he was hosting SNL on the ground.

Speaker 12 I remember that first night.

Speaker 12 They said he had it, and everyone thought, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was interesting.

Speaker 4 It was like a triple whammy of the NBA getting canceled, Rudy Gobert, and then Tom Hanks locked in jail in Australia. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that Georgetown St. John's game.

Speaker 1 Canceled halftime. I was 8-0-1

Speaker 1 that week. I was on fire.

Speaker 3 He texted his son, Chet, and he said, Big Maine.

Speaker 1 This seems fake.

Speaker 1 You think so? Some Big Main? I guess you have to talk like he's trying to relate with his son.

Speaker 3 He goes, Big Maine, can you explain the Drake Kendrick Lamar feud to me?

Speaker 3 And then Chet Hanks sent him like a two-paragraph-long text explaining it. And he said, holy cow, exclamation point.
These are fighting words. People taking side.
Who's winning?

Speaker 3 So that was funny. Okay.

Speaker 4 Tom Hanks is like, who's winning, son?

Speaker 1 Is there a score tracker I can keep up with?

Speaker 3 But then Chet Hanks came back the next day, posted Instagram, said, I have consulted with the heavens, felt westward breeze, walked outside of a strip club, and saw my shadow.

Speaker 3 This will be a white boy summer. Hell yeah.
Okay,

Speaker 3 I have spoken.

Speaker 4 Let's go. What about

Speaker 3 this will be a hashtag WBS?

Speaker 1 What about City Boys?

Speaker 3 Nothing about City Boys. Are they up?

Speaker 1 They are now.

Speaker 4 White City Boys?

Speaker 1 Okay. City Boys up.
White Boy's up.

Speaker 3 Did you just learn that?

Speaker 1 I did like,

Speaker 1 eight hours ago.

Speaker 1 You remember when he dropped it? Did he use it correctly?

Speaker 3 Yeah, like two years ago.

Speaker 1 You remember when he put it in? Oh, what the fuck? White Boy's summer was two years ago? But yeah, but Chad, it's back. So I need to...
Who made it City Boys?

Speaker 4 No, but that was... City Boys did.

Speaker 1 So bring it back, City Boys.

Speaker 4 I think it's like...

Speaker 1 I just learned what it is. Bring it back, please.

Speaker 4 Some white boys are City Boys, but not all City Boys are white boys.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 3 And all white boys are going to have a good summer. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Remember that shirt that

Speaker 4 has the most racist font ever on the back of it? Yeah. It was like the calligraphy.
Yeah. That was a great shirt that he did.
Yeah. White boys.
Do you remember that shirt, though?

Speaker 1 I do. Oh, yeah.
I do. No, he had a whole lot.

Speaker 4 It was such a funny shirt. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 He had a whole line. He did his workout where he would just do burpees and then, for some reason, just like hit his like dick muscles.
Yeah. Remember, he'd hit like the V muscle every time?

Speaker 6 He was, he's, he tried to, I think he tried to sue us.

Speaker 1 Because of the

Speaker 1 Nick and KB thing?

Speaker 7 No,

Speaker 1 Nick and KB did something with him, and then they got his number. And then we called him on the yak.
I think Tommy Smokes tried, like, said something to him, and he's like, I didn't know I was live.

Speaker 1 I'm going to sue you guys.

Speaker 3 Sounds like he's got a fair grape.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it was Tommy's fault, so if Tommy wants to get sued, he can get sued.

Speaker 4 Has he been in anything recently?

Speaker 1 He's in your honor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was good in your honor. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Chet? Yeah.

Speaker 7 He played like a crackhead.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Did a really good job. He was very good.

Speaker 1 White Boys up.

Speaker 6 City Boys.

Speaker 1 White Boy Summer, City Boys Up. Got it.

Speaker 4 White Boys Up.

Speaker 4 Does that play?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 4 White Boy Summer's better. Yeah, I agree.
White Boys Up is, yeah, okay, good call.

Speaker 1 City Boy Summer? Good call. Yeah.
I guess. Okay.
You just let us know. Okay.

Speaker 4 We should ask Chet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We'll have Mon.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we'll have him on. Group Week.
Sure, yeah. Yeah.
All right, BFT.

Speaker 4 My hot seat is the guy who had Bryce Harper ask a girl to prom for him. Did you see that? Yes.
So Bryce Harper goes with a guy in Philly, right? Philly kid goes to a girl's door.

Speaker 4 They knock on the door. And Bryce Harper helps this kid ask the girl to prom for him.
The girl is just thrilled that Bryce Harper is on her doorstep. She says yes somewhere in there.

Speaker 4 And then after she says yes, she goes and immediately gives a big hug to Bryce Harper right afterwards. And it was

Speaker 4 it was interesting because

Speaker 4 I guess mission accomplished, right? Yeah. You got Bryce Harper in there, but now did you say yes just because she wanted to give Bryce Harper a hug?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, you can't bring Bryce Harper to like your crush's house. Right.
Be like, please go on a date with me.

Speaker 1 Please have Bryce Harper, like objectively very good-looking guy, really good at baseball, even though the Phillies have been playing the Savannah Bananas every night.

Speaker 1 And then just be like, yeah, but it's me. You're going to promote me, not Bryce Harper.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you don't want to stand next to somebody way more attractive than you when asking such an important question. Right.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 I don't know, but I guess it works. So good job.
Yeah. Max, what do you think about this?

Speaker 1 Weird?

Speaker 11 No, all-time good guy, Bryce Harper.

Speaker 11 Philly just appreciates Bryce Harper, and obviously she was thankful for Bryce Harper to come and be part of her prompt. promposal.
So she was saying, thank you, Bryce Harper.

Speaker 11 This is something I'll remember for the rest of my life. And now I'm going to go spend the

Speaker 11 rest of my time with this lovely man who got Bryce Harper to come to my doorstep.

Speaker 4 Wishing it was Bryce Harper. That's not true.

Speaker 1 Wishing he was Bryce Harris.

Speaker 4 That's not true.

Speaker 11 Bryce Harper is just a very good guy, and Philly respects good guys.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 Have you ever had.

Speaker 11 And the Phillies are playing really good baseball.

Speaker 1 Who do they got next week? The Trenton Thunder?

Speaker 11 They're playing the World Champs, the reigning World Champs right now.

Speaker 1 Oh, let me see. They're pretty good.

Speaker 1 All right. The reigning world champs.

Speaker 11 Well, yeah, they now they're under 500 because they lost the Phills. All these teams lose to the Phills, and they go under 500.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 Baseball, imagine like baseball has a Philadelphia problem.

Speaker 4 All the teams are bad because the Phillies keep beating all of them. Correct.

Speaker 1 I think the Phillies are very good. I just, like, Max has not been able to say, like, good win-fills without also saying, what are the losers going to say?

Speaker 11 Well, that's, I mean, every time anyone posts anything about the Phills, it's just they haven't played anyone's. It is crazy.

Speaker 1 Isn't it so annoying when people do that, Max? You can only fucking play the teams in front of you. Oh, fuck.

Speaker 1 Hank. Hank.
He got you when he said Jason Tatum played like, duke. But now you're back.
And he also didn't.

Speaker 11 I said in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 He said in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 11 And he was also 25.

Speaker 1 Oh, so they have the Rangers, the Rockies. That will be good.

Speaker 11 They haven't played a team over 500 since opening weekend.

Speaker 1 Since the opening series.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 11 Because they still don't don't until June.

Speaker 4 When a team loses to the Phillies, they get beaten so badly.

Speaker 4 They get demoralized and then they lose all their confidence

Speaker 4 and they can't go on and win any more games.

Speaker 12 There's 500 in the NL right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but still not really their fault. They're playing the Rockies, the Giants, and the Cardinals coming up.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I don't know what you want me to say. Okay.

Speaker 1 But all-time good guy.

Speaker 11 All-time good guy. I love Bryce Harper.

Speaker 1 Bryce Harper's a great guy.

Speaker 7 Great guy.

Speaker 4 Still kind of a weird move to have somebody else come in.

Speaker 1 One of them come on the game. It's not a weird move.
It's more of like a dumb move. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Short-sighted move.

Speaker 1 Like have Bryce Harper come and visit. Be like, hey, will you go to prom with me? If we go to prom together, I'll have Bryce Harper come to your house.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 1 Just dangle it like a carrot.

Speaker 4 Or just have Bryce record a video. Yeah.
Be like, hey, will you go to prom with this guy? Yeah. Yeah.
I'll hit a dinger for you if you do.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 4 My cool throne is Marvin Harrison Jr.

Speaker 4 because he is engaged in a big legal dispute right now. I don't know if you've seen the ongoing dispute with him, but I saw a headline.

Speaker 4 You can't, if you're a Cardinals fan or anybody else, you can't buy a Marvin Harrison Jr. jersey yet.
And the reason for this is because he never signed with the NFL PA.

Speaker 4 And the reason for that is back in college, he was approached.

Speaker 4 A lot of players get approached by fanatics when they're in college, and they are asked to sign their rights over for like autograph sessions, merch, things like that, because college players can do that now.

Speaker 4 Marvin Harrison Jr.

Speaker 4 said, no, I'm not going to sign this right now because I think my name is going to be so big when I'm a rookie that it's going to be worth more than you're going to offer me as like a college sophomore, which is probably accurate, probably smart.

Speaker 4 So he didn't sign that then. And then they asked him to sign the NFL PA thing so they could now sell more of his merch.
He said, No, I want to figure this out and do more negotiating on it.

Speaker 4 And now Fnatics is suing Marvin Harrison Jr. so that they can start selling his jerseys.
So they claim that

Speaker 4 Marvin Harrison Harrison Jr. signed a term sheet, which is just basically a piece of paper saying, I intend to do this, not a legally binding contract.

Speaker 4 They claim that he signed that before the draft and that they should be allowed to sell it. But the bottom line is you're not going to be able to buy Marvin Harrison Jersey, Marvin Harrison Jr.

Speaker 4 jerseys in stores for a very long time, and he's probably not going to be in video games either until he gets this all sorted out.

Speaker 4 But once he does, he's probably going to get paid a shitload of money for it. Smart by him.
So very smart by him.

Speaker 4 And again, I'm taking Marvin Harrison Jr.'s side in this a hundred percent because his dad is marvin harrison senior yes and i would not want to be engaged in any sort of dispute with that family yes they're a great family yes so but it does seem like he's figured out oh yeah maybe we shouldn't sign these contracts when we're college sophomores if we are planning if we're expecting to get drafted highly yes in the nfl signing like a five-year deal when you're a college sophomore not the smartest thing in the world was he at the rookie thing

Speaker 1 where like everyone's in their jerseys running around uh the the rookie

Speaker 4 It was like

Speaker 7 the first-round picks.

Speaker 4 Let me see. Marvin Harrison Jr.
Probably not based off of.

Speaker 3 Yeah, this.

Speaker 1 I'd like to go in the trust tree for a second.

Speaker 1 Can I say something with full trust and can't be clipped?

Speaker 1 This is something I'm going to have to get over, but

Speaker 1 it's just years and years and years of this.

Speaker 1 The minute Caleb Williams put on the Bears' uniform and they had him running around as a quarterback, he lost all his swag.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And that's the Bears' uniform.

Speaker 4 You have to overcome the uniform.

Speaker 1 He's got to figure out how to overcome the Bears quarterback uniform.

Speaker 4 The entire vibe around it.

Speaker 1 Right. People were tweeting about it like, dude, this guy's got no swag anymore.
I was like, shit, I kind of agree. I think he needs to do a visor, maybe some kind of cool arm sleeve.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it is, but it scared me because it was like, again, it's not Caleb Williams. It's the Bears uniform

Speaker 1 that scared me.

Speaker 4 Yeah, there's only so many things you can do.

Speaker 1 Well, it's just like I can't envision someone like dropping back in a bears uniform and like throwing it down the field.

Speaker 4 What about like pink shoes? That would be cool. Pink shoes, maybe.
Yeah. That's a good idea.
Marvin Harrison Jr. was invited to did not attend the rookie premiere.
Hang because of all this.

Speaker 1 Speaking of which, did you see that photo? Any thoughts on your guy trying to steal a couple inches?

Speaker 3 No, respect. You gotta, it's.
Did you see that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 You gotta take every inch in this league. Yeah.
That's true. It's a game of inches.
I don't tippy. Al Pacino Pacino taught us that.

Speaker 4 I'm tippy-toe shame.

Speaker 1 One of the greatest NFL coaches of all time.

Speaker 4 It happens.

Speaker 4 But yeah, so the rookie premiere is weird. They just stand out on a field, right? And then they're just like, look, they're wearing their new uniforms.
Yeah. That's it.
That's all it is. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They like run around a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 4 The NFL will monetize anything. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and everyone just, yeah, and then everyone just like, and then Dove Climb and tweets something.

Speaker 4 Oh, did you guys see the fake news going around about Joe Burrow?

Speaker 1 There's fake news about Joe Burrow. Yeah, the hair.
The hair, yeah.

Speaker 4 The hair went like mega viral, and it was just, it was made up.

Speaker 1 Why did anyone think that was real?

Speaker 4 I never for a second thought it was real.

Speaker 12 I saw he spotted a UFC fight like two weeks ago, and he had a little bit of a.

Speaker 1 But it's just still like, that was the fakest

Speaker 1 photo ever. He had longer hair, but it's that.

Speaker 3 They literally just took Anakin Skywalker. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 I don't know why anyone thought that was real.

Speaker 4 I don't know. He looked like an early 90s sitcom actor.

Speaker 1 Yeah, or like a hair metal band guy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But then there was also the clip.

Speaker 4 If he had a mullet, that would be fucking sick.

Speaker 1 That would be sick.

Speaker 1 There was also the clip of Mahomes showing up to the first day and people saying he looked fat i don't think he looked fat he looked powerful i he also i feel like mahomes you can't call patrick mahomes fat when you have three super bowl rings whatever he's doing is working so just let him do it like that's not a guy you can't you you you say oh a guy looks fat showing up to camp if they're like a second year player that had a disappointing first year he needs to be sitting next to andy reed for all these pictures what are we talking about patrick mahomes fat and he's not fat and he's going to play his way into shape.

Speaker 4 That's what training camp's all about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like Eddie Lacey, when he showed up that time, he was fat. He was big.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he was fat. China food.

Speaker 1 That was fat.

Speaker 3 This is not fat. You have the whole summer to run around and lose a couple pounds.

Speaker 1 Agreed. And he also wasn't fat.
He just looked.

Speaker 7 He had a tight shirt.

Speaker 1 He had a tight shirt. He had a shirt that he needs me and Max's shirts that we can do this.
The Instagram shirts. Yeah.
We're just pulling on our shirts constantly.

Speaker 1 I'm getting a lot of those right now, Max, all the time.

Speaker 1 And also, the best part about the shirts you buy on Instagram that hide your boobs, allegedly,

Speaker 1 if you buy one shirt, you also buy 7,000 emails for the next year.

Speaker 1 And you can't unsubscribe. They figure out a way through it.

Speaker 4 And they're for other fat-related products?

Speaker 1 They just got you. They just got you.
That's what you're signing up for. All right.
My hot seat is Angry Birds. Angry Birds.
You guys remember Angry Birds? Yeah.

Speaker 12 I replayed it like six months ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Angry Birds.

Speaker 7 So this one was crazy because I is it like a game that you can finish?

Speaker 12 Yeah, there's a bunch of levels.

Speaker 4 What happens when you win?

Speaker 10 You win.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so

Speaker 1 I don't know why. This is at the top of my Twitter this morning when I woke up.

Speaker 1 Very weird. Angry Birds account, which has 700,000 followers, said,

Speaker 1 We sincerely apologize for an unfortunate incident that occurred on our account. Recently, an inappropriate post was accidentally reposted from the account.
This was a genuine mistake.

Speaker 1 We deeply regret any harm it may have caused. Huh, Streisand effect.
I need to find out what was said. So here was what they retweeted.
This is the Angry Birds account. The game.

Speaker 1 This is from Jelly Kwee.

Speaker 1 Said, I used to jerk off to Angry Birds. When I was about 13, I loved Angry Birds.
I had every game and bought every toy they had.

Speaker 1 One day I was playing Angry Birds when all of a sudden the big red bird turned me on. I couldn't stand it.
I was going crazy. I decided to pull, and they retweeted that.

Speaker 1 I did not have Angry Birds on the bingo card.

Speaker 4 I see no problem in retweeting that.

Speaker 4 That's somebody that loves your game. Like, if this podcast made people so horny that they had to jack off to it,

Speaker 4 I would retweet all those endorsements. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just like,

Speaker 1 why are they even apologizing? Because then I immediately was like, what did Angry Birds do?

Speaker 1 Some kid admitted that he jacked off to Angry Birds when he was 13. Who cares? But yeah, Angry Birds.
You remember Angry Birds?

Speaker 4 It's a fun game. It's way worse.
They haven't a Top Golf, though. Remember, we beat that.
We beat Hanks.

Speaker 1 That's right. I think there was a movie.

Speaker 4 Oh, that's right. Yeah, they did make a movie out of it.

Speaker 3 Was it good, Jake?

Speaker 12 I didn't see it.

Speaker 4 That was one of those movies that came out like three years after the game was popular.

Speaker 12 What's your favorite bird from the games?

Speaker 3 I was a Tiny Wings guy. I still played Tiny Wings.
Tiny Wings is a good one. Tiny Wings is elite.

Speaker 4 I think I like the red one. The red one's the standard.
I honestly don't remember the different birds.

Speaker 12 You remember the yellow ones, the boomerang?

Speaker 12 The big black bomb one, that did a lot of damage on the levels.

Speaker 11 Do you guys remember Flappy Bird?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 11 The guy got so stressed out that he quit, that he took it down. Yeah.
Because everyone was getting mad at him.

Speaker 1 I don't remember that. Oh, yeah, he deleted the game.

Speaker 3 When there was like a Flappy Bird 2.0. That was a big one.

Speaker 13 Temple Ron.

Speaker 11 It was like a really, really hard game, and he was getting death threats. And it was like the most popular thing of all time.

Speaker 11 And he just

Speaker 11 deleted the app because he was too stressed out.

Speaker 4 Do you guys ever play the running T-Rex thing on Google? Like when you don't have internet connection? You know how a T-Rex shows up. It's like, oh, we don't have internet connection.

Speaker 1 Did you know that's a game that you can play? Chrome, right? That's pretty cool.

Speaker 4 Yeah, if you hit spacebar, you just run through all these levels and you jump. Oh, that's awesome.
It's actually a great game.

Speaker 3 I play Tiny Wings every flight still.

Speaker 1 Really? I never got in those games. I was the old school.
That was the only one. I mean, Snake was the greatest game ever created.
Brickbreaker, probably,

Speaker 1 I don't know, a year of of my career,

Speaker 1 my former career, was Brickbreaker, just trying to beat it. And then I found out that when you beat it, you just go back to level one.

Speaker 7 It just goes faster.

Speaker 1 That was a bummer. And then Snood.
Snood rocked on the computer.

Speaker 4 What was Snood?

Speaker 11 It was like Snood was good. I remember that when I was very young.

Speaker 1 Blue guys that you had to

Speaker 1 shoot. You had to shoot.

Speaker 1 I tell you when he was very young.

Speaker 3 Oh, shoot.

Speaker 1 How young?

Speaker 1 I was probably. Yeah, it's an old game.
I'm old, right?

Speaker 4 What do you want me to say? These guys don't know about Microsoft Pinball. You know.
About the one that came on.

Speaker 1 Oh, the space could be. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Pinball Rocked.
Yeah, yeah. Snood Rocked.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but yeah, the one that came on every PC. Yep.

Speaker 11 I would play that when the internet would go out.

Speaker 1 That and try, and like every, I don't know, like two months, you'd get so bored, you'd be like, maybe Solitaire is fun. No,

Speaker 1 no, never fun. Solitaire is great.
And when you win, the cards explode. No, what about the Solitaire's not fun?

Speaker 3 The other Microsoft one where you just flick around.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 3 I didn't know how to play that, but I would just like.

Speaker 9 Oh, the one where there were bombs.

Speaker 7 Like, you had to, you had to figure out.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. This just fucking brought back a memory.
Did you guys ever play the game where the guy, you were the guy skiing down the hill, and then eventually a monster would run out?

Speaker 1 Good jump or something?

Speaker 11 No, no, this was like a addicting games or something.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was like mini inches of passwords. Java cafe.

Speaker 3 No, it was like you draw a line.

Speaker 1 Some of that one. Oh, my God.
This is going to piss me.

Speaker 1 You would basically do like a slow, you would try not to crash, but no matter what, eventually, like the,

Speaker 1 how do you say,

Speaker 1 Indomitable, abominable, indomitable sue snowman, snowman would come out and just grab you, and that would be it. What was that game called?

Speaker 3 This might be a Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 I fucking

Speaker 1 loved that game.

Speaker 3 Best non-console game. Ski-free?

Speaker 1 What is that? Maybe it was Ski-Free.

Speaker 11 I don't know. I'm looking at a...

Speaker 4 Did you guys ever play Might Be Ski-Free?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was Ski-Free.

Speaker 7 Did you Google it?

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah, there's the monster that would come out.
He would grab you. Ski-free was awesome.
Oh, man, I might have to play this game. Yeah, this might be a Mount Rushmore.
Did you get it?

Speaker 3 Non, like, non-franchise console games.

Speaker 1 Like, no Madden, yeah, like, yeah, Java Cafe, addictinggames.com.

Speaker 4 Did you play Quap?

Speaker 1 Oh, that game sucks. The runner? Yeah, you had to get all his body parts.

Speaker 4 It's impossible. If you can make it three meters with that runner, you were the keyboard.

Speaker 1 Would backyard baseball

Speaker 1 work?

Speaker 4 No, backyard baseball, I feel like that's too much, too similar to a console. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And that was like a game you'd buy in like a store, I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 Or like you had to buy.

Speaker 1 No, I think you did have that. You had to buy it.

Speaker 3 You had to buy. CD-ROM.

Speaker 11 You had to get a CD for it. These games you didn't have to get a CD for.

Speaker 3 Max dirt bike is the other one.

Speaker 1 Max Dirt Bike was a good one.

Speaker 7 Oh, Max Dirtbike was great.

Speaker 11 Did you we had one that all of them were

Speaker 11 blocked on our school computers except for like

Speaker 11 math like it was like math games or something oh the rocket cool math for kids cool math for kids and we would do lemonade stand I remember crushed Lemonade Stand at school.

Speaker 4 Oh, I mean, the GOAT with the TI-83, Drug Wars.

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 So good. Holy shit.

Speaker 1 That was Grand Theft Auto.

Speaker 4 I sold so many loots. Yes.

Speaker 3 Mario teaches typing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Mavis Beacon.
Mavis Beacon, Acarida.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Carmen San Diego. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Damn. Hot.
Oh, hot, for sure. Agreed Hank.
Mavis Beacon hot?

Speaker 4 No, I think Mavis Beacon was like an old goose.

Speaker 4 I think she was like an elderly goose.

Speaker 1 So it could be hot.

Speaker 1 How do we get here? Oh, Angry Birds. Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, Angry Birds had to apologize.

Speaker 4 Somebody jacked off to him. When they were 13.

Speaker 1 My cool throne is the Los Angeles Chargers because Jim Harbaugh is starting the process of changing the culture. Our friend Sam Schwartzein reminded us

Speaker 1 or told us the story when we had him on about how when Harbaugh got to Stanford, he said, I am going to have to eliminate all traditions and things you guys do because you're such losers.

Speaker 1 I have to figure out what makes you losers.

Speaker 1 The Chargers had no music at OTAs. So Harbaugh took away music.
That is maybe the first thing he saw and was like, is this why they're losers? We will find out.

Speaker 4 You have to earn your music.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I like that. I like that.
No music.

Speaker 4 Whatever was happening before was not working, so everything's going to be different.

Speaker 1 It's a sound strategy. You guys are losers.
Let's figure out why.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, the Chargers, they're going to be good.

Speaker 1 Harbaugh will be in an AFC championship game over under

Speaker 1 four and a half years. Under.
I agree.

Speaker 4 I think it's like, I'd set it. Four.

Speaker 1 I think they'll do it with. I think it's three.
I think they'll do it in the third or fourth year.

Speaker 4 I think it's three. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 AFC championship game. Harbaugh.
Be there. We'll be there.

Speaker 7 All right, Jake, finish us off.

Speaker 12 My hot seat's the chain gang. Our friends on the sidelines might be losing their jobs this football season.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 12 Because tonight the NFL announced it'll run a trial throughout the preseason for electronically measuring first downs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is bad.

Speaker 1 It's really bad.

Speaker 4 So this is bad and here's why. Every time you watch a game, you're like, I can't believe we're using sticks and a chain.

Speaker 4 That's what makes it a billion-dollar business to figure out where the ball is, if it's a first down or not. I don't give a fuck.
The chain and the stick is awesome.

Speaker 4 It gives you, it's like another play. It's a free play that you get.

Speaker 4 So if you're close, if a team's close to get a first down and you're like, oh, I don't know, they bring the chain out there and you get a first down, the ref signals it when they put the thing down, you feel like you just gained a yard right there.

Speaker 4 You feel like that's a huge win.

Speaker 4 Also, if you're rooting for the team that's on defense and you get what you think is a stop, you get to celebrate it because you get to hold your fist up and be like, yeah, we stopped you.

Speaker 4 And then the chain comes out. No, they didn't get it.

Speaker 1 That's another stop.

Speaker 4 It's another stop. It's one of the weird things about football that makes no sense at all.
And if we were starting football from scratch right now,

Speaker 4 there's no chance in hell that there would be

Speaker 4 three old guys with sticks and a chain that run out on the field to measure things. It would be electronic if we're starting football from ground zero.

Speaker 4 But that's what we love about football is the weird shit, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, this is bad. Yes.

Speaker 1 We need like Chinese or Russian hackers to hack the electronic ones. Yes.
We need something to happen to malfunction. We can't lose the chain gang.

Speaker 4 Fly like an EMP drone over the over the electronic system. Make it fuck up.

Speaker 1 We can't have this. We can't have this.

Speaker 4 Hopefully the NFL has people. And maybe RT's bad.
Maybe people don't like our take.

Speaker 1 Maybe people don't do this. No.

Speaker 7 I think I'm right.

Speaker 1 BFC.

Speaker 7 RTK is correct.

Speaker 4 It's something that you would never see in a modern game that was invented, but it makes it feel so much more real because there's human beings that are doing it and not a fucking AI system that's doing it.

Speaker 1 Think about Javian Clowney hit. That's not cool if we don't have the chain gang coming out and doing the thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who was the guy? What was the territory index card?

Speaker 4 The index card. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Now, they told him not to do that anymore, but it still happened, and it happened because of the chain gang.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
This is bad. It is.

Speaker 4 Very bad. I hope they don't change it.

Speaker 1 I really hope they don't change it.

Speaker 12 They're still doing it preseason.

Speaker 1 The anticipation. All right.
I might boycott some of the preseason.

Speaker 4 No.

Speaker 4 The last game.

Speaker 1 Last game. They don't play anyone.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Yeah.

Speaker 4 But it's football.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but that last game always happens.

Speaker 4 At that point, we're just starved for it.

Speaker 1 But remember, that last game always happens when there's like real college football playing.

Speaker 4 I'm going to boycott the second quarter of one of the games in week three. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. You have our demands.
24 hours to respond, NFL.

Speaker 12 My cool throne is getting hit by foul balls. Usually it's a bad thing, but this Blue Jays fan, she took a 110 mile-an-hour foul off Beaubish's bat.

Speaker 1 Do you guys see the pictures?

Speaker 1 I have a bad take about it.

Speaker 12 But, but

Speaker 12 I was selling 110 cards of her, and the damage is crazy. She took it like a champ.

Speaker 1 I have a bad take about the champion. Is she injured?

Speaker 12 She has a black eye, and she had a giant hammer.

Speaker 4 She had a huge hematoma that was swelling out from her forehead. It was massive.
She looked like that. Was it Thug Rose that lost that UFC for?

Speaker 1 What was she wearing?

Speaker 6 What do you mean?

Speaker 6 It was crazy.

Speaker 1 It was crazy.

Speaker 1 Where was she sitting?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's crazy. crazy.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 6 Where was she sitting?

Speaker 4 She looks like JFK.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm going to keep my bad tape to myself. There it is.
Okay.

Speaker 12 He has cars.

Speaker 3 Is there a video of the foul ball?

Speaker 1 I thought it was kind of lame to beg for a ball after.

Speaker 1 I did. I just, yeah, but I don't know.
I just saw it and I was like, okay, that sucks. She should have gotten a ball in the moment.
Yeah, I mean, someone should have probably come over to her. her.

Speaker 1 Right, right. But then to, like, wait a day and be like, hey, I didn't get a ball.
Give me a ball.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's just

Speaker 4 common courtesy that if you catch that ball, if it lands next to you after bouncing off her head, you treat it like it's like an athlete throwing a ball to a child in the stands.

Speaker 4 You catch it and you give the ball to that person that got hit in the moment.

Speaker 1 Yeah. She should have gotten the ball in the moment, but once the moment passes, it's like, hey, guess what?

Speaker 1 No ball.

Speaker 4 Let her earn it. I don't like her being on a baseball court.

Speaker 1 I don't like free.

Speaker 1 You don't get the free ball. She also got a ball on her head.
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 12 Also, her name's Liz Maguire.

Speaker 1 I like the show. I'll say this.
She is way tougher than I am because

Speaker 1 I would have had a stretcher take me out. No chance I would have stayed there.

Speaker 4 It looks like she has a baseball, like the baseball went under her skin and is attached to her forehead.

Speaker 1 Where did she get it? Where is the video? Also, where did...

Speaker 1 Yeah, where was she sitting?

Speaker 3 I need to know where she was sitting.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait. I didn't even get the ball.
Lady who eventually got the ball that ricocheted off my face wouldn't give us the ball. That woman's the worst woman ever.

Speaker 1 Okay, that woman is the worst woman ever. You have to give the ball.

Speaker 1 With the section, Shannon, give her the ball. Wait, so this is.
I'm back on Liz's side. You know what? You know what, though? Here's the thing.
She shouldn't have tweeted at the Blue Jays.

Speaker 1 She should have found that lady's at and ended her life.

Speaker 4 So this lady, Liz, gets hit in the head with 110-mile an hour,

Speaker 4 and she stays at the game

Speaker 4 for the rest of the game.

Speaker 1 As another woman takes the ball and leaves as a section chance, give her the ball. So what would you have done? Would you tweet the next day being like, hey, I got hit in the head.
Can I have a ball?

Speaker 1 I honestly

Speaker 1 think I would have just tried to find the woman who stole the ball and just try to end her life.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it doesn't seem like she's begging for the ball. The tweet was

Speaker 1 hooked me up. Yeah, it's not a beggar.

Speaker 4 If you read the tweet, it was like, hey, can you hook a girl up? Pretty good way to do it. But yeah, I think her anger, if she has any, should be reserved

Speaker 4 only for the woman.

Speaker 4 I would have Liam

Speaker 4 with the ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would have been like, I'm going to find you. No matter what.

Speaker 4 Walked around the streets with a cudgel until you saw her.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Like, you're fucking done.

Speaker 1 Also, where did she get hit? Because, like, not, I know where she got hit in the head, but where is she sitting? Because there's nets everywhere now. How do you get hit with 110 miles an hour?

Speaker 12 It was like a deep foul ball line drive outfields. Like those back sections in foul territory.
I don't know if those are netted.

Speaker 1 I'd like to see a replay of the play. Same.
Because I would like to see what, you know,

Speaker 1 did she try to make a catch, miss it? Totally fair. Was she not looking? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I have her side. I just wish she had tried to strike vengeance with this woman, this scumbag who took her ball.
That's a bullshit thing.

Speaker 1 Dude, crazy fucking... That's a crazy hematoma.

Speaker 4 It's so big.

Speaker 4 Is this it right here?

Speaker 14 The Toronto Blue Jay.

Speaker 12 I don't know where the footage is, but.

Speaker 3 What's that in the middle? Down in the middle.

Speaker 1 I haven't seen a hematoman like that since

Speaker 1 Rachman, the boxer. Remember that one?

Speaker 4 No, it's like there was one in UFC a couple years ago. Was it Thug Rose? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Foul ball. I don't think we're going to get the video.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What if she just was drunk and fell?

Speaker 12 A lot of the broadcasts don't pan to foul balls unless they're close to being in fair territory. Yeah.

Speaker 4 What if this never happened and the Blue Jays, she's like a marketing plant

Speaker 4 and the Blue Jays are giving her a ball to get all the good headlines.

Speaker 4 And that thing on her forehead is all stage makeup.

Speaker 1 We're on the internet too much. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all right. So my final ruling is

Speaker 1 I back Liz McGuire.

Speaker 1 I wish she had not asked for a free ball. I wish she instead had tried to end this person's life.
That's fair, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Or no, it would have been better if she asked the Blue Jays to find that one.

Speaker 1 Find that woman. Find that woman.
Yeah, hey,

Speaker 1 I got hit in the head.

Speaker 4 I didn't get the ball. Unfortunately, somebody else caught it.
Is there any chance that you can have her killed? Yeah. That would have been good.

Speaker 1 All right. So, yeah, that's the final answer is that her tweet, she should have said, when she said, can you hook me up?

Speaker 1 It should have been, can you hook me up with all the information of this fan so that we can end her?

Speaker 4 Yeah, with her home address. Her work address and a semi-automatic pistol.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 7 good hot seat cool throne, guys.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest, fresh off his first major victory. The PGA champion, Xander Shauffley, is joining us.
The trophy is in his background. It looks great.

Speaker 1 I also want to say, Xander, your hat tan line is starting to look a little bit better, too.

Speaker 1 When you won the,

Speaker 1 we want to talk about everything, but

Speaker 1 when you took off your hat, did you know in the back of your head, you're like, oh, this is, I've been playing a lot of golf in the sun recently, and I'm like a Stuart Sink out here.

Speaker 13 Damn, I didn't know I entered that legendary status.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 13 I'm made aware. Don't worry.
I don't get away with much with my team. So

Speaker 13 my caddy told me he was, I took my, or he shaved my head, and while he was shaving my head, he was like, damn, dude.

Speaker 1 I was like, what? What?

Speaker 1 It was perfect. I mean,

Speaker 1 that always happens with a major champion, too. It's like something, they win, and then everyone's like, oh, how can we roast his outfit or something just to make ourselves feel better?

Speaker 1 But I want to go back to 18 and that put.

Speaker 1 What were you thinking before that putt? And were you like, this is, you know, it was obviously not super far, but what was going through your head when you're lining up that putt and about to hit it?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I was nervous. I mean, it was, it was, it was a bad spot.
I, I, I walked up, I saw left to right. I saw like left edge, left center.
I kept reading it, and I saw like right edge, right, center.

Speaker 13 And then I was like, this is, this is not good, you know, and then I was like, I can't call Austin in. It's going to make me like doubt myself more.
So I kind of was, I just, I was like, screw it.

Speaker 13 I need to commit to this. And so I actually didn't take that much time because I was like, the more, longer I look at this, the more stuff I'm going to see.
So I was nervous.

Speaker 13 I just ended up hitting it pretty straight. Actually, my putting coach texted me.
He's like, he pulled it. And I was like, thanks, man.

Speaker 13 He's right. You know, I watch it.
I mean, I've watched that putt now like six times and it looks, it looks like it's going to miss every time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I ended up being a fantastic putt under pressure. And the shot, I think it was two shots before that when you're standing in the bunker, your feet are in the bunker and you're hitting the shot.

Speaker 4 It's it's elevated.

Speaker 4 you and your caddy had a little talk before that shot and the mics picked up some of it and it sounded like your caddy was saying yeah you know what if you end up hitting that into the bunker um that's not a bad shot it's a good place to be and i thought i saw you give him a look like hey don't don't say that it's okay if i hit the shot into the bunker um but when he's guiding you through that shot like are you Are you angry with him in the moment for being like, don't even introduce the concept of a bunker to me?

Speaker 13 No, no, he was he was talking about that middle bunker. He was like, because I was like, you know, I want to aim really far right.

Speaker 13 And I was was like if i hit it on the right side of the green no problem and then he was like actually hit it on the left side of the green it's easier and i kind of looked at him i was like you know is it but then i was like i don't know if i should you know i don't want to think that hard one of my goals was to keep it simple so you know he's he's my caddy i pay him to give me good advice and so he gave me good advice so i aimed kind of i aimed far right obviously because i'm hitting like a baseball stance uh golf shot but uh I pulled it left of that middle bunker and then luckily it didn't go in that left bunker because I would have been a hard up and down.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 and as you're playing that hole is the thought in your head like i don't want to get into a playoff where the playoff hole will be a par five and i'm going up against bryson 100

Speaker 13 i mean absolutely i actually i didn't even know uh the playoff is actually an aggregate it's three holes oh oh yeah i know that and that's yeah that's just way more pressure so i mean it's just it's just a lot yeah i mean the the momentum would be like you know he birdies the last hole i mess up the last hole and and don't clutch up.

Speaker 13 And then here I am like in a playoff, like where I feel like I shouldn't be. So

Speaker 13 I just was in like the season moment situation. And luckily that ball lipped in.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Could you tell, was there anything that you could tell that was different about this last round?

Speaker 1 Because you obviously, you're an unbelievable golfer and you've been in these big moments and come just short a bunch.

Speaker 1 But like that last round, I thought the bogey on 10 when it like the leaderboard switches and it's like, that's the moment you're like, uh-oh, is this gonna fall apart?

Speaker 1 And then you come back and go, birdie, birdie, could was there something different about Sunday that you just like had a confidence to you or some some feel to it like this is mine?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I know for sure. I mean, I

Speaker 13 had that sentiment, you know,

Speaker 13 I was I was good all day about committing, like staying in my process, you know, all that nonchalance, all that cliche stuff, but I get to 10 and I'm kind of like, I don't know how I want to hit this chip.

Speaker 13 And then I ended up hitting the chip I didn't really want to hit. And then I F it up and I make bogey.
And I, you know, I get to 11 and I was like, I need to hit a good shot, hit a great shot.

Speaker 13 I get up to the putt and I look up to the board and it says I'm in second. And I was like, damn, you know, I was like, how am I in second? Like one hole ago, I was leading.
Now I'm in second.

Speaker 13 So everyone, I knew everyone was birding ahead of me. And the big difference was just that.

Speaker 13 I mean, I, I had this overwhelming feeling of sort of not, not, not today, you know, like I, I've been in this spot too many times in the last two years where I've sort of, you know, curled up a little bit and got a little like defensive.

Speaker 13 And so I just said, screw it. Like, I need to, I need to earn this.
I need to win this. I need to stay aggressive because guys are making birdies and I need to be one of those guys.

Speaker 13 And so that's what I did.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Did you do anything different for breakfast or for your meal? Like a quick snack during your round that maybe switched up the vibes for you this time?

Speaker 13 No, just it was it was a lot of self-talk vibes that were different.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Just like confidence building stuff.

Speaker 13 Like yeah, I mean, I always, yeah, I always am like pretty pretty confident. I always am pretty like, you know,

Speaker 13 comfortable in these spots, but I just,

Speaker 13 something was, something was different this time around. I really felt like it was my time.
It was like, it was my time to shine. Like after last week happened, that was a big letdown for me.

Speaker 13 You know, I got beat.

Speaker 13 He played way better than I did. I didn't give him any pressure.
It was that kind of, it was like those last seven holes were like.

Speaker 13 To be in a final group on Sunday and to have like the first nine holes feeling like you're going to win the tournament.

Speaker 13 And then like two holes later, you're playing the last seven holes feeling like you have zero chance to win a tournament is like an awful feeling when you've pretty much like led a tournament for the entire week.

Speaker 13 So I know that feeling and I really didn't want to have that feeling again. So I just had to sack up.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And then you celebrate and you, it looked like a pretty fun celebration. I saw you drinking out of the trophy.
I feel like you have to do that.

Speaker 4 What was the first thing that you poured into the trophy?

Speaker 13 Austin poured some cheap champagne into it and everyone was yelling at him. And I looked around and I'm like,

Speaker 13 where are we going to get nicer champagne? And everyone's like, ah, all right. So we all just ended up drinking it.

Speaker 4 It was like Andre?

Speaker 13 i don't even know it was it was started with a k i have no i mean i was i was drinking they the a member at valhalla was nice he gave me cigars he gave me whiskey um

Speaker 1 it was it was a night where i don't i normally i normally don't drink too much but you know it had to be done yeah all right i got a dumb question for you um and don't take offense to this but do you feel like you robbed us a little bit of uh being the guy who can't win the big one as like media people we love being like oh that guy can't win the big one one you kind of won the big one a little too early i need another like five years

Speaker 1 you want me to you want me to bathe in my own shit for another five years yeah yeah because that's our favorite storyline ah great golfer can't win the big one bill was like that for a long time yeah did you did you kind of sergio yeah did you rob us yeah you know what i did

Speaker 13 yeah so maybe apologize i don't know i mean you're you're honest at least you're an at least you're honest you know you're in this line you're in you're in this line of work and you're one of the honest ones to to say that you know everyone else is like oh i'm so happy for

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
They're thinking in the background,

Speaker 1 in the back of their head, they're like, oh, we had so many more stories. Like, you know, like, we could have done a big, you know, feature on Xander being like, can Xander win the big one?

Speaker 1 Now that you robbed him. You took food off their table.

Speaker 4 Yeah, listen, Dan Marino has served that role very importantly, I would say, for NFL media for the rest of his life, right?

Speaker 4 Like the amount of stories, the amount of things that people have got to say. Now it's like, okay, yeah, Xander, I guess he proved us wrong.

Speaker 4 Now we actually have to be creative and do something interesting with our job and try to actually dig into something deeper

Speaker 4 besides the fact that this guy just hasn't won a major yet.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I mean, now he's got to go talk shit about someone else.

Speaker 1 Well, I just realized we played ourselves because I was thinking, like, who's the next can't win the big one guy? And we'll just say that that guy will win a big one.

Speaker 4 No, it's not him. No.

Speaker 4 He's talking about Max.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's going to win a big one. He's going to win a big one.

Speaker 4 Do you think Max has what it takes to win a big one?

Speaker 1 Of course.

Speaker 13 I mean, if you're a top player in the world, I think all those guys i mean you just i am like i can do an interview on close calls so like i i know better than anyone else what it's like to just sit on the other side of the fence like with pretty much your entire body over and you're just like what why why am i not on the other side of this thing completely and so yeah you know you just you need some things to go your way you need a good break you need to be in the better wave like all those small things add up and then at the end of the day like you just need to really take advantage of of the of the moment and you know put yourself in the position enough times like i like i said i mean i know that better than anyone else you're gonna going to, you're going to, I

Speaker 13 kept saying,

Speaker 13 knock on that door until you freaking bust that thing down. I just need to

Speaker 13 damn battering ram to do it.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And what you did on Sunday was incredible because it felt like, you know, Big Cat talked about when you, when you lost the lead momentarily and then Bryson hits his ball off a tree and it bounces perfectly into the middle of the fairway.

Speaker 13 I heard about any birdies.

Speaker 1 I heard about that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that to me felt like, okay, the gods are just stacked against

Speaker 4 Xander right now.

Speaker 13 You see that stuff.

Speaker 13 Yeah, like when I I won the Travelers, I hit this ball like out of, like, towards out of bounds and it hit and then hit off like, you know, there's like a fence post like every four feet.

Speaker 13 It hit off one of the fence posts and then kicked back in play. And I'm like, that was my break, you know, like from the golf gods.
But then, you know, I hear about Bryson doing this.

Speaker 13 And it's like, I'm sure everyone watching was like, oh my gosh, like, this is his break. Like, this is what you need to win a tournament.
So

Speaker 13 it's.

Speaker 13 Fortunately, you know, fortunately went my way.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Have you gone back and watched your final round yet?

Speaker 13 No, I haven't. I've just seen the putt, you know, six times now, I think.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I would do that. I would do that if I were you.
I would just sit there and watch my entire championship winning round. Yeah.
Sit on the couch like everybody else.

Speaker 7 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 13 For sure. I mean, you don't seem like a guy that would do something like that, but

Speaker 1 win a championship?

Speaker 1 I would just have it be playing on loop forever for the rest of my life. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You walk in my house and you have to watch the final round. You have no choice.

Speaker 4 I'd download the MP3 of just the announcers and I just have it in my car all the time driving.

Speaker 4 Oh, I would be a terrible champion.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 Sander, I.

Speaker 1 I got a question about your dad, who seems like an all-time figure. He's your swing coach, been your swing coach your entire life.

Speaker 1 That's nice of you to give him a job.

Speaker 1 He also, I read that he watched, or he didn't even watch you win this tournament. He was in a shipping container in Hawaii because he's building a family compound.

Speaker 1 So that alone, like, what happened there? And then I have a follow-up question.

Speaker 13 Yeah. So

Speaker 13 a lot of that is true. He's been my coach for forever.
I actually, I actually ended up hiring Chris Como in November. We've been working together since November of last year.

Speaker 13 And so I've known Chris for quite some time. Had a mutual friend that kind of introduced us

Speaker 13 way back. And so my dad knows Chris pretty well.
Chris did like a little golf channel thing with us when he was working with them. And so my dad just felt comfortable.

Speaker 13 He was like, you know, I don't, you know, he's always going to to be, you know, he's always going to be my dad.

Speaker 13 But in terms of like the golfing capacity, he sort of passed the torch over to Chris and he felt like, you know, there's no need for him to be there if, you know, I'm there with, you know, the rest of my team.

Speaker 13 So

Speaker 13 he is, he is definitely a character. His nickname's the ogre.

Speaker 13 We can get into why that is, but why is that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, tell us why.

Speaker 13 It is pretty self-explanatory.

Speaker 1 But all right, so here's, so how is the ogre, though? I've seen pictures of him. He's always wearing like linen and cool hats.

Speaker 1 He seems like he's like right out of a Tommy Bahama like catalog, but he's the ogre.

Speaker 13 He's the, I mean, the ogre is, is more of a,

Speaker 1 uh,

Speaker 13 he, he, uh, he, he handles, uh, uh, uh, he handles conversations and tough, tough, I guess, situations in, in an ogre fashion. You know, he's not afraid to.
to get he's not afraid to get in your face.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Like, put it like that. Um, he was like, he was like that growing up, too.
So he's been consistent on that front.

Speaker 1 Well, so that was my other question because I heard this story and it's a hilarious story.

Speaker 1 Your dad was your swing coach or is your swing coach your entire life and he would not let you watch your own swing until you were 17 or 18 and even threatened your friends to be like, if you show him a video of his own swing, like you're going to be in trouble.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Is that true? Yeah.

Speaker 13 Kids are like, I'll be like, dude, like, come on.

Speaker 13 I need to see what's going on. Like, you know, I don't feel good about this.
And they're like,

Speaker 13 no, sorry, man. I can't get someone else to do it.

Speaker 1 That's incredible. So why did he not want you to see your own swing?

Speaker 13 He just was like, you know, there's no, he's like, one, you're not going to know what you're looking at. Two, he's like, you're going to try and be too perfect.

Speaker 13 So he's like, what's the point in you looking at your swing and, you know, you know, making you want to lose your freaking mind? And so he's kind of right.

Speaker 13 You know, sometimes I look at my swing now and I'm like, Luckily, you know, I have Chris to talk to about my swing in the videos, but sometimes I look at my swing and I'm like, I mean, it looks fine to me.

Speaker 13 And they're like, no, you're doing that wrong. And I'm like, I mean, I guess you're right.
Like, I didn't see that, but sure. So we just let the pros handle that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's that's a smart move. Like when you're 16, 17, you, your swing is built up in your mind's eye.
You have it like pictured in your own head what it looks like.

Speaker 4 And then if you see it, it's like hearing the sound of your own voice.

Speaker 1 And you'll be like, it's like eating.

Speaker 13 Yeah. It's like you see yourself running, you see yourself getting interviewed.
You see yourself throwing something. You feel like you're Jason Bourne in the situation.

Speaker 13 You see a clip of it and you're like, wow.

Speaker 4 yeah i got a lot of work yeah people are roasting me online for my backswing i got to fix something so it looks better yeah

Speaker 1 i just love the idea that he told all your friends like do not show him his own swing and you're just walking around being like will someone let me see my swing

Speaker 13 i did see a picture of him he's got your gold medal or at least he did does he still have it yeah yeah so i mean i have this i got this puppy right here just for the just for the moment it's going to go back to the west coast my my parents are like the safekeepers of my trophies and so they're going to i mean they're probably going to party way harder than I did with this thing.

Speaker 13 They're going to go around town in San Diego and let everyone drink out of it if I had to guess.

Speaker 4 I love that. Yeah, that your dad posted kind of a thirst-trappy picture of him wearing the gold medal, just wearing like a swimsuit, flexing.

Speaker 1 Your dad's strong as shit.

Speaker 13 It's a speedo. Yeah, he's, you know, he's got that old man strength.

Speaker 13 You know, I don't know how I feel about it anymore.

Speaker 13 He's going to turn 60 this year, so I'm sure I could take him at some point.

Speaker 4 This is another dumb question for you.

Speaker 4 It's something that we're planning on doing here because we saw John Daly's round on Thursday where it was reported that he smoked two packs of cigarettes, had a couple of cokes, and I think four Snickers bars.

Speaker 4 We're going to try to do the John Daly challenge. Do you think that's possible for us as a podcast to smoke 40 cigarettes? And

Speaker 4 obviously, the two Cokes is fine. Max takes care of that in about five minutes.

Speaker 4 And the Snickers bar, do you think it's possible for a non-smoker, mere mortal, not named John Daly, to accomplish that feat?

Speaker 13 100%. I mean, it just depends on what's on the line.

Speaker 1 Nothing. Pride.
Yeah, yeah. Just us embarrassing ourselves.
Just the ability to say a lot. I smoked a lot of cigarettes.

Speaker 13 I don't know. Usually, when someone tells me I can't do it, I usually get it done.
So

Speaker 13 it may

Speaker 13 take me longer than others, but you know, if you tell me I can't smoke 40 cigarettes in a day, I mean,

Speaker 13 I might need an IV and a hospital treatment after that. But

Speaker 13 I think three or four of you guys can rip through some heaters. It's not a big deal.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you have a chance to talk to Scotty at any point this weekend? Because

Speaker 1 he kind of cucked you a little bit with the storylines being like, I got arrested and you just won your first major. Did you have any chance of talking to him? It was the craziest story.

Speaker 13 Yeah, yeah, I did. You know,

Speaker 13 he handled it really well in Scotty's shuffler fashion. I mean,

Speaker 13 he's a good dude. As soon as I saw it, I mean, one, I thought it was a prank, and then I saw it on the news, and I was like, holy smokes, this actually happened.
And then he's,

Speaker 13 you know, I hope he comes out.

Speaker 13 It feels like he's going to come out okay from all this. It feels like things are going to get dropped.
I don't know, but he's, he, he took it like a champ.

Speaker 13 And we're all giving him, you know, we have like a, we have a group chat, you know, with our physio

Speaker 13 or team or crew. It's like me, Gary, JT, Jordan, Scotty, Pat.
We all share the same physio. So the boys were heckling Scotty a little bit.

Speaker 13 Good, just, just enough.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you got to change the picture of that group chat to the, to the mugshot.

Speaker 13 Obviously, that happened.

Speaker 1 Perfect. Yeah.
That's good. I actually think that's what I'd want my boys to to do if

Speaker 1 I got arrested for not a really serious thing, just being like, yeah, let's roast them.

Speaker 4 That's how you know you have real friends, right?

Speaker 1 So, yeah,

Speaker 4 I was thinking that the day that he got arrested, it was actually tougher for everybody else playing, not Scotty, because Scotty is riding off the adrenaline. It's fun to get arrested sometimes.

Speaker 4 And you're like, okay, sweet, let's go to the golf course, whatever. I'm out.
I'm relieved.

Speaker 4 Everybody else is playing, thinking like, holy shit, I can't believe Scotty Scheffler got arrested for felony assault on a police officer. Like, that screws with everybody else's brain out there, too.

Speaker 1 Perverse psychology, there. Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 13 I mean, he handled, I mean, he shooted, he played. He shot 66 coming out of jail.
So, I mean, that's like it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 4 It's legendary. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 13 I mean, I don't think anyone else can say that. No one else on tour has been able to do that one.
So, I mean, he's, he's, he's definitely at the top of the mountain for several reasons.

Speaker 1 All right, I got another dumb question for you. Have you seen Real Bros of Simi Valley?

Speaker 13 No. Ah, all right.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the main character is Xander. It's actually Zonder is how he pronounces it.
But that's like, that's one, two of Xander's. I don't really know any others.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I guess that's why I've heard some guys yelling my name,

Speaker 13 yelling Zonder, and I just,

Speaker 13 I knew it was from something, and I just, I, my, one of my roommates was from Simi Valley, so I guess I'm not too surprised. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to watch it. It's very, very funny.
It is how

Speaker 4 did you make that decision to go by Xander, not Alexander?

Speaker 13 Well, my dad's German, if you've never heard him speak, so

Speaker 13 my name is Alexander, but like when he would yell at me as a kid, it just sounded like Sanda, you know, like a German dude.

Speaker 13 I never realized how like aggressive my dad's accent is until all my friends are like, dude, your dad's like really German. And I'm like, what?

Speaker 1 I was like, what?

Speaker 13 Just grew up listening to being yelled at by this dude. And then all of a sudden, you know, removed from him, I'm like, yeah, he does sound pretty weird.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to lie. Yeah.
It's an awesome name. It's like very unique and cool.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 13 It's easy. I mean, easy.
You know, X. X is nice.
It's simple.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Throw the X. X going to give it to you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you, did you have, I would imagine you go online after whatever, after you party and everything.

Speaker 1 Did you have just a million people being like, I bet on you every tournament and finally you did it for me? Because I feel like that was like a lot of people were like, yes, I've always,

Speaker 1 there's like a huge Xander crew that was like, he's going to do it. And that was their moment as well.

Speaker 13 I don't, I actually, I don't really have social media. So

Speaker 13 I have it, but I don't see, I don't have any of my passwords. I don't see anything.
Smart.

Speaker 13 But yeah, I mean, people will tell me. I mean, I had like a, I had like a 12-year-old kid yell at me while we're playing like, you're going to joke.

Speaker 1 And I like,

Speaker 13 I remember I was kind of walking and normally I just keep my head down, but I remember in my head, I was kind of like, what the, what, what did you just say?

Speaker 13 You know, where is your father?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 13 What's going on here? So I can imagine, you know, I think I haven't won in such a long time.

Speaker 13 All the people that were betting on me, I feel like I hit this curve where it's like everyone was betting on me to win, and then everyone's like, This guy's never gonna win, and so they just stop betting on me.

Speaker 1 And then, as soon as they stop betting on me, I win, and now everyone's like, God damn it, yeah, the true believers, there's some true believers out there, so shout out to them.

Speaker 13 Yeah, the OGs know who they are, but you know, there's some quitters along the way, and that's fine too.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Um, so I read that when you got married in your wedding, you dressed your dogs up in formal attire for the wedding.
Is that true?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 13 I mean, you think that was my idea?

Speaker 4 Like, are we just talking tuxedos or did one wear a dress or what?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I got an Aussie Labradoodle and a Frenchie. And my guy, my Frenchie, he looked like a stud in his tux.

Speaker 1 Dude, we, PFT, and I went, so I have a coffee company named after my dog, and we give some of the money to where I rescued her in Chicago.

Speaker 1 And every year, there's a thing called the fur ball that it's literally like a black tie affair, and people bring their dogs in like dresses and tuxedos yeah it's crazy long dresses that like follow the dog around it's yeah it was awesome it's nuts but

Speaker 1 might have to have your dogs they got the tuxes yeah yeah no i don't know uh he's a little chunkier than he used to be so i don't know if it's gonna fit but that's that's brutal if he tries to fit in the like i can't fit in this anymore that plays if it's a frenchie a frenchie like trying to squeeze into a way too tight tuxedo yeah that would be a funny look yeah yeah that does play that's a nice touch for a bulldog yeah um all right well this has been awesome, Xander.

Speaker 1 I got one last question. It's a roback question, R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com, promo code TAKE, 20% off your first purchase, Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com, promo code TAKE.

Speaker 1 It's a longer question, but your story is really cool because you weren't, like, coming out of high school, you weren't like one of these guys that everyone was talking about.

Speaker 1 And you end up going to a school that's not like known for golf. Like,

Speaker 1 when you're coming up and going through the qualifying and everything, was there ever a moment where you're like,

Speaker 1 I'm just so far off? Because I even read a story about how when you were in college, your golf coach, like one of your first years, put you up against Patrick Cantley when you played UCLA.

Speaker 1 And he was like, I just want him to see what the difference is, how far he has to go. And the story goes that you shot like a 76 and he shot a 63.
So.

Speaker 1 Oh, you shot higher than 76?

Speaker 13 78. Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 But like, it's a very cool story because it doesn't feel like you were one of those guys that was anointed from this young age, but now you're one of the best golfers in the entire world.

Speaker 1 So, in that process, was there a moment where you're like, this is, I'm never going to make it?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I mean, 100%. I mean,

Speaker 13 I think because of everything you've just said, I just had this chip on my shoulder my whole career. And,

Speaker 13 you know, I am a firm believer. If you look at all sports, there's always the walk-on type guy.

Speaker 13 You know, I had a, I was pretty, I was, I was a good amateur. I just, you know, wasn't, my class is ridiculous.

Speaker 13 If you just look up the class of 2011, golfers, I mean, I can name like 15 guys that are all on tour that have won basically.

Speaker 13 And it's like, that's just ridiculous to have a class where everyone's that strong.

Speaker 13 But yeah, I mean, I think coming out of college, my senior year of college, I went to Q school and I failed in second stage. I missed second stage by six shots.

Speaker 13 And so I was like, you know, I've been working my whole life. You know, I'm like 21 or yeah, I turned 21 my senior year.
So I was like, okay, like, this is what I really want to do.

Speaker 13 And then, so I go, I go to Q school

Speaker 13 after I graduate. I I end up getting through because a guy misses his putt on the last hole to let six of us in.
And I was one of those six guys.

Speaker 13 So I get in on the number. Then I go to cornfairyweb.com at the time.
I do my time there and I'm like 115th on the points list, like losing my card.

Speaker 13 And then like I rattle off like, you know, three, four top fives.

Speaker 13 at the end of the year and then i finish 26th on the money list miss out by 900 to get my tour card and i'm like i'm like god this is freaking, you know, like, I feel good.

Speaker 13 You know, this is, this is not it. So then I go to the playoffs, I get my cards at the playoffs.
And then I, you know, then I get on tour. And then I'm like, you know, same, same shit, different tour.

Speaker 13 I'm playing all year long. I'm like 130th on the, on the FedEx Cup because I haven't done anything.
And then I Monday qualify for the U.S. Open.
I finished hide fifth.

Speaker 13 And that just like vaulted my entire career from that moment. And then I ended up like, I secured my card at the Travelers a couple of weeks later.

Speaker 13 And then I ended up like winning Green and then my life just changed.

Speaker 1 So awesome.

Speaker 13 It's like, but until that moment, like until I secured my card at Traveler's, I mean, I had, I don't know where I had more relief, like on 18 on Sunday when I made that putt and like I put my arms up and I was just so relieved or when I, you know, got my card at Q School or when I was able to secure my card at Traveler's and then to win at Greenbrier.

Speaker 13 I mean, those are all like, and to me, it was cool because it all, they all just kind of stacked up, you know, they all stacked up and I just kept going and

Speaker 1 you know it's like you know you see other sports stories that are kind of like that you know it's like you don't really get your shot but then you do get one and then you just take advantage of it and then you just can't look back it sounds to me like you're like one of the greatest like procrastinator slash under pressure guys where you're like I'm not I'm gonna start playing my best golf right when I need to even the PGA where it's like all right enough people are like oh Xander's never gonna win now I'm gonna win one So you just got to put a little pressure.

Speaker 1 And it's like, then you just become the best golfer in the world.

Speaker 13 Yeah. I mean, I'm San Diego, Diego, born and raised pretty laid back.
So maybe you're right. Maybe I need to get a little East Coast like energy into my veins.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 So where do you go from here? Now that it's hard to have a chip on your shoulder right now, you're, you're the hottest thing in golf. So what's, how do you motivate yourself?

Speaker 13 No, there's a chip on my shoulder.

Speaker 13 I don't think, I don't think it's ever going to leave. Charlie Hoffman was trying to tell me there's no chip on my shoulder like a couple years ago.

Speaker 13 He's like, you don't, he's like, you don't have a chip on your shoulder.

Speaker 13 And I was like, I couldn't even give him shit because I don't know if you guys know who Charlie Hoffman is, but he would have, he would have given me shit about how he was right, you know, like he's just, he's just, he's just that guy.

Speaker 13 So it was funny. I was playing in Dallas and Charlie Hoffman's like, you don't have a chip on your shoulder anymore.
And I was like, this mother, you know what I mean?

Speaker 13 End up shooting like 62 in the final round to finish like tied fifth because I wasn't playing very well at that time. This is like two years ago.

Speaker 13 And I didn't text him because I knew if I texted him, he would have been like, you're welcome. I told you.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 13 Yeah, for sure. You know what I mean? So it's just winning one is a dream come true.
and it's something I've always wanted to do. But I've always envisioned myself winning more than one.

Speaker 13 So Scotty Scheffler is at the top of this mountain that I've referred to before. And,

Speaker 13 you know, I think

Speaker 13 when you're the number one player in the world, then you start, you have to reassess, you know, what's going on and how to motivate yourself because you've pretty much accomplished everything you'd want to accomplish.

Speaker 13 Yeah. But for me, you know, I'm the second best player in the world, which is an awesome accomplishment, somewhere I've never been.

Speaker 13 But I'm so far behind Scotty Scheffler that it's like, I just have to keep my head down and keep grinding.

Speaker 1 Well, no, no felonies, though.

Speaker 4 Good point.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I mean, but you know,

Speaker 13 for golf, though, you know, golf is such a

Speaker 13 professional sport. Like, Scotty's got, he's from Highland Park in Texas or whatever.
He's got more street cred than all of us.

Speaker 1 I know. He did.

Speaker 1 It is crazy that this is going to end up being like, oh, Scotty, like, you know, that's kind of cool. He gets, he gets like

Speaker 1 golf. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 It's golf. Like every other sport, you're like, oh, shit, like, is he going to be able to make it in the season? And then now it's like, oh, he's a badass.

Speaker 7 Neck tattoo.

Speaker 1 He's going to be

Speaker 1 like a little teardrop. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You guys are just sitting around, you know, this beautiful country club being like, and this guy's just telling the story for the hundredth time.

Speaker 1 He's like, so yeah, they told me to stop and I didn't stop.

Speaker 4 Also, the chip on your shoulder, you just said it. The chip on your shoulder is people saying you don't have a chip on your shoulder anymore.
Yeah. So, yeah,

Speaker 4 you're a chip on on the shoulder guy, for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 13 Just got to, I mean, aware it, man. It's there.

Speaker 1 It's stuck. It's stuck on me.
I love it. Well, Xander, thank you so much.
Congrats again, man. It's an awesome story.
And best of luck the rest of the year.

Speaker 13 Appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 12 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a friend of the program, recurring guest, very special guest. It is Brian Winhorse from ESPN.
You can listen to him on the Hoop Collective.

Speaker 1 Brian, actually, I'm going to do it from the start.

Speaker 1 You're going to be mad at me for doing this.

Speaker 1 We got to get Wendy's book. He told me not to do this,

Speaker 1 but I'm doing it as a friend.

Speaker 10 I'm looking to see if I have one.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we got to get Wendy's book. He's close to passing the advance so he could start.
You know, that's when the real money comes. Yeah.
I was listening to his podcast. He said it.

Speaker 1 He was a little ashamed that he said it. I was like, you know what? I'm just going to, let's get it going.
So the book is Return of the King, LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 we need people to buy it. And I also need an update.
How strong is LeBron right now? Is he still so strong?

Speaker 10 So strong.

Speaker 1 Beyond just strong, so strong. Okay, good.

Speaker 4 How does that work if we, if somebody buys the audio version? Is there an audio version of it?

Speaker 10 Yeah, it counts. So, I mean, like, you know, I've written a, you know,

Speaker 10 just, I appreciate, first off, Dan, I appreciate that. Yes, you know, thank you very kindly.
It's always appreciative of you and your audience.

Speaker 10 That book was a best, a New York Times bestseller, but you know, the way it works is, you know, you heat, there's a certain line, and we've been dancing on that line. The book's out seven years.

Speaker 10 Right. I've subsequently written another book also on LeBron that

Speaker 10 also was a bestseller.

Speaker 10 But I was just making a joke on the MyPod that I need the Lakers to win again because the last time when the Lakers won in 2020, we had a nice, you know, because normally you write a book about LeBron winning with the Cavs, about the championship.

Speaker 10 You know, by 2019, when he's in LA, that book ain't selling anymore. Right.
All right. We're doing overseas sales.
Then when he won in 2020 with the Lakers, you know, it was pure and mid-COVID.

Speaker 10 People were like, oh, yeah, I'll take this LeBron book. And we had a nice bounce.

Speaker 10 So, you know, the Lakers, you know, getting knocked out in the playoffs is just hampering my chance to get past the advance, which is a, you know,

Speaker 10 maybe, maybe you guys would write a book and it would fly past the advance, but some of us, you know, have a harder time to do that.

Speaker 1 Well, let's get our audience to buy the book. Maybe if we get past the advance, you'll tweet out an update on LeBron's strength.
Be like, just, you know, breaking news, LeBron's still so strong.

Speaker 10 I think that's a fair.

Speaker 10 That's a fair deal that I can run past various agents.

Speaker 4 If you want us to help out to really goose the numbers a a little bit, we'll just report that you said on part of my take that LeBron is going back to Cleveland.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 4 And then now there's a sudden interest in LeBron's career in Cleveland. So what are the chances that Dan Gilbert gets on the phone, gets the band back together, two boys riding again as one?

Speaker 10 Yeah, so this is how it went. LeBron went back to Cleveland

Speaker 10 for Mother's Day.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I love it. I love it.
But yeah,

Speaker 1 Wendy did not ask me to do that. I'm doing that because I love Wendy.
So do buy it. All right, so let's talk some basketball.

Speaker 1 I want to start with, we'll get to the Pacers Celtic series, but I want to start with the Mavs and the Wolves because I think we, you know, all of us watched that game on Sunday night and saw what the Wolves did, and we were shocked with the fact they overcame a 20-point deficit in Denver.

Speaker 1 For this matchup, though, how do you see it going? I feel like people are forgetting that the Mavs are also a very good team and kind of anointing the Wolves already.

Speaker 1 I I think they're the better team, the Wolves. But do you think, like, how do you see this matchup playing out and this series playing out?

Speaker 10 First off, you guys, are you guys as infatuated with Ant Edwards as I am? I mean, I know

Speaker 10 that's a vogue take now. Like, everybody says that.
But, like, last year, I went to

Speaker 10 a team USA on this month-long trip to Abu Dhabi and

Speaker 10 Manila. I spent a month with Ant Edwards in Abu Dhabi and Manila, and he had never been overseas before.
And in all honesty,

Speaker 10 he later said that he kind of felt a little bit nervous about being on that team because, you know, he didn't know where his place was. And I mean, it can kind of be nerve-wracking if, you know, but

Speaker 10 this, this amazing thing happened with that team.

Speaker 10 Steve Kerr

Speaker 10 kind of saw him as a six-man. They were like, I think we're going to bring Ant off the bench.

Speaker 10 And he came to Ant before the playoff, or before they played, and he's like, Hey, you know, in team USA, sometimes star players come off the bench.

Speaker 10 You know, Dwayne Wade in 2008, the Redeemed team, Dwayne Wade came off the bench because, you know, Kobe was a starting two-guard. And Ant was like,

Speaker 10 I was cool, but I didn't see Kobe on the roster.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 by this, maybe the third

Speaker 10 exhibition game, because they play like five exhibition games, Steve Kerr was like, Yeah, actually,

Speaker 10 he's our best player.

Speaker 10 And so, watching that process, I like walked away from that totally convinced Ant was going to have a great season. And so, to see him do this has been awesome.

Speaker 10 And so, I have no doubt at all that he is going to come into this conference finals with no fear, and he is not going to be influenced by the moment.

Speaker 10 But I am a little bit worried about the rest of the Wolves with that.

Speaker 4 very funny moment where it was Kat and Ant after the game where they were asking him, you know, usually you have to lose in the playoffs to figure out how to win.

Speaker 4 And he said, God damn, how much do you want us to lose? We've lost a lot in the playoffs already. Like, how much do we need to lose before we can win?

Speaker 4 And I get the feeling from Ant, like, he's definitely,

Speaker 4 he seems to have the mental makeup to not shy away from big moments and to be a guy that will step up. He has the dog, as we've said, he is a dog.

Speaker 4 But then you worry about a guy like Carl Anthony Towns, who he will play for one half like a dog and the other half like a cat. And then you're like, how do you put this together? I'm not so sure.

Speaker 4 So the question is, does he have, could he be the guy, could he just put the team on his shoulders throughout a seven-game series and be the best player on the court when you have a guy like Luca on the other side?

Speaker 10 Yeah, this is like

Speaker 10 they haven't been to this part of the playoffs for 20 years.

Speaker 10 Like 20 years. I mean, they hadn't won a playoff series for 20 years.

Speaker 10 I mean, so like this year, they put out a press release at the end of the season about how they sold out the season, the Timberwolves did.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 they sold out the season because they, I think, and if this is wrong, I'm going to get, ooh, I'm going to get in trouble if this is wrong.

Speaker 10 But I think they like covered up a couple of sections with like tarps and they sold all the available seats.

Speaker 10 This is like, I remember when I first started going to Miami years ago, like when Dwayne Wade got there,

Speaker 10 they had sectioned off

Speaker 10 the highest deck of the arena. I don't know if it's second or third deck.
The idea of the Wolves being this good, like they had closed off part of their arena for games.

Speaker 10 That's where the Wolves were.

Speaker 10 And so now they're in the conference finals. And so calling them the favorite in the conference finals is wild.

Speaker 10 And you know what's amazing? You know what I thought was

Speaker 10 such an

Speaker 10 indication of the way Ant looks at the game?

Speaker 10 He wore the microphone in game seven.

Speaker 10 Now, what that means, you know, obviously they want him to wear the microphone every game.

Speaker 10 And I think it's kind of like an unwritten rule that the star players kind of got to wear the mic at least once in the playoffs. Maybe they make you wear it once in the finals if you get there.

Speaker 10 The players usually don't want to wear that. And if they wear it, they'll wear it like early in a series.
Ant's it's like, hell yeah, give it to me. Game seven on the rope.

Speaker 10 I'll take that mic, put it right here, right here.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 I know that that sounds weird, that I would focus on that, but that meant that before the game, he's like, yeah, I'm not worried at all.

Speaker 10 Go ahead and record everything I say. Go ahead and record my trash talk too while I'm at it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 And so they haven't done it before, but his

Speaker 10 leadership and his belief,

Speaker 10 I don't know, maybe it can carry the rest in because Luca's been there.

Speaker 10 Luca's, you know, been, you know, over in Europe, I know people don't give Europeans any credit, but go try to win a road game like in the Euro League, where in some of those places, there's little, there's fires and they have to have a police escort for the referees, and there's people are lighting coins on fire and throwing them down to the bench, and they have to not let the visiting fans into the arena or have the visiting fans leave.

Speaker 10 And go tell me, yeah, the level of basketball is the same as the NBA. Luca won everything there was to win in Europe by the time he was 19.
Right. So

Speaker 10 I'm not, Kyrie has obviously played in a ton of big games.

Speaker 10 There's less mystery for the Mavericks than there is for the Wolves. And so when you have a favorite,

Speaker 10 what is the number? Do you guys know what the numbers are?

Speaker 1 I don't know what it is. I think it's, it's not, it's not, it's not severe.
It's like, I think the wolves are like minus 140 or something. Okay.
So it's not crazy. But yeah, they are the favorite.

Speaker 1 But yeah, you're right. Like the

Speaker 1 So I've been on a little thing where I'm probably going to end up picking the Wolves.

Speaker 1 But I think that people have a perception of the Mavericks that is not what they have been doing in the playoffs and the cohesiveness of their team and their role players stepping up.

Speaker 1 And here's one that I would like you to maybe explain. Everyone just says Luca's defense stinks.
I feel like he's been playing better defense than his reputation.

Speaker 1 And it's kind of one of those things that it's going to take a little bit.

Speaker 1 He's not elite defensively, but especially the team defense the Mavs have been playing has been a lot better than people assume.

Speaker 1 So when we get to this series, people are like, oh man, this is going to be a lot harder for both teams to score because we know about Minnesota's defense.

Speaker 10 They were the number one defensive team for the last six weeks of the season, which is one of the most amazing things that we saw happen in the...

Speaker 10 in the, you know, over the course of the season. And the Mavericks fans are really pissed off that Luca, I think he got one or two MVP votes.

Speaker 10 They're like really pissed off that the team didn't get more credit because they went 16 and two to finish the season.

Speaker 10 But, you know, it's most valuable player of the year. You know, that's, you know, not that he was terrible before, but that, you know, you can't disregard everything else.
But the way that Luca had,

Speaker 10 there was a couple of times in their first round series where like I felt like Luca had never played defense. I'd never seen him play defense like that.
Now,

Speaker 10 in this last series against Oklahoma City, his knee was bothering him, and I don't think he was quite as able to dig in as he was against the Clippers.

Speaker 10 But there was like, there was like one game against the Clippers, I can't remember, was game two or three, where I was like, oh my God, Luke is like

Speaker 10 making

Speaker 10 game-changing defensive stops. And they got him doing that the last quarter of the season.
I can't imagine if you were a Nets fan

Speaker 10 to watch what Kyrie is doing. Like he is the perfect teammate.
He is creating no distractions. He is playing defense.

Speaker 10 He is like bringing people together. Like even if you're KD, you're KD out in Phoenix.
You're like, wait a minute. What is going on?

Speaker 10 And I don't know, maybe it's just that Kyrie is like 32 now and he's not 28. But like, this is the Kyrie that's a dream teammate.

Speaker 10 Even LeBron, like LeBron was, now, whether LeBron actually would have followed through on it, I don't know. And maybe Kyrie knew that.

Speaker 10 But like, LeBron said on the record in front of people that he wanted Kyrie to kind of be this guy. He was willing to sort of shepherd him into it.

Speaker 10 I do think LeBron kind of saw him and Kyrie going for a while.

Speaker 10 That was impossible. Kyrie was like 25.

Speaker 10 This version of Kyrie and this version of Luca is not what we have seen before. So, yeah,

Speaker 10 the Mavs can win it all. The Wolves can win it all.
And that's why this is going to be an interesting series. The other thing is,

Speaker 10 Two really good defenders that are underrated. Jaden McDaniels, I don't know.
He's got a $130 million contract.

Speaker 10 He might not be underrated.

Speaker 10 He's awesome, and he's going to be on Luca that matchup. And then Derek Jones Jr., who makes the NBA minimum, was available for anybody to sign,

Speaker 10 was in Chicago there last year and just didn't work out as the Bulls. The Bulls thought they took him from Miami.
They thought he was going to be like this kind of player for them.

Speaker 10 By the end, he wasn't even playing. He is like them putting him in the starting lineup, like with about 20 or 25 games to go, help trigger Dallas being really good on defense.

Speaker 10 Well, he's going to get Ant,

Speaker 10 you know.

Speaker 10 And so, those two matchups, Jaden McDaniels on Luca and Derrick Jones Jr. and other people will help.
But Derek Jones Jr. on Ant, that's going to be a big part of that series.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 You are, you're always at the forefront of reporting on what teams are eating the best dinners together and having the best productive dinner meetings together.

Speaker 4 I remember you wrote an article about the Spurs legendary dinners. You told us about the, it was in the Heat Celtic series last year.
A dinner kind of galvanized the team.

Speaker 4 This postseason, what teams are the closest off the court?

Speaker 10 I'm behind. I don't have.
I think the closest off the court were the Knicks, by the way.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah, were they playing?

Speaker 4 Watching the Eclipse together. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Did they? I missed that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they watched the Eclipse together. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Can I just say something about the Eclipse real quick? Yes.

Speaker 1 Go off.

Speaker 10 I was really negative and skeptical about the eclipse, mostly because I was really annoyed. I had to travel around the eclipse and it was causing me a lot of problems.

Speaker 10 I was going to Ohio because my mom was having knee surgery on the day of the eclipse. So she scheduled it like, you know, she was having her knee replaced.

Speaker 10 She scheduled it, you know, months in advance. Obviously, the eclipse was known years in advance.
I didn't know.

Speaker 10 And my sister was like, hey, maybe we should reschedule her knee surgery because it's an eclipse day. I was like, what?

Speaker 10 We've been waiting for this surgeon for five months. We're not rescheduling the freaking thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a crazy take from your sister. Yeah.
That's a crazy take.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 10 So anyway,

Speaker 10 I was really kind of annoyed because in my hometown of Akron, like in Cleveland, it was like, you know, center of the totality. Yeah.
You know, and I'd seen eclipses before, and I was like,

Speaker 10 come on, people, like, what are we talking about? So I didn't actively try to get into the totality. I found myself there.

Speaker 10 And

Speaker 10 so I got the glasses, whatever, and I went outside, literally went outside the orthopedic hospital on the veranda to watch this totality eclipse. And it was one minute away from the totality.

Speaker 10 And I was like, okay, this is mildly interesting. I would look out the window.
It is not worth traveling thousands of miles. And then that totality thing happened.
And I was like, oh.

Speaker 10 This is actually pretty remarkable. And literally in the moment that the totality happened however it was long like four minutes or whatever i get a call from the the nurse like oh your mom's been

Speaker 10 because we were like she had got her knee done we were waiting for her she was waiting for us in her in the hotel room they're like yo your mom's in room uh 516 she's looking forward to seeing you i'm like i was like yeah hold on hold on uh yeah i'll get back to you you know she's just out of surgery you know yeah like hold on i i actually came for the eclipse the surgery was just coincidental you got a totality going on yeah man change i I can see how that was team building.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Team building of the totality.

Speaker 4 I could honestly see Kyrie Irving becoming a whole new man after an eclipse. Yeah.
I could see him experiencing that and being like, you know what? This is post-totality, Kyrie.

Speaker 4 I'm going to be a good teammate. I'm not going to be able to do that.

Speaker 10 TFT, I am making a note to ask ESPN stats and information, which is the greatest asset of ESPN. People think that it's like Stephen A or it's like

Speaker 10 the studios. The greatest asset of ESPN is the stats and information group.
You can, this is a secret that no one on the SPN will ever tell you.

Speaker 10 Like these games, where they're end at like two in the morning or whatever, and you got to be on get up, like you roll out of bed, you got two hours' sleep, and you've got this packet of information from stats and info.

Speaker 10 We get on there,

Speaker 10 you know,

Speaker 10 the Mavericks were shot 66% coming off

Speaker 10 pin downs in the last 12 seconds of the shot clock, and that was a big difference in the game.

Speaker 10 They're the greatest.

Speaker 10 I'm having stats and information. I'm giving them an assignment to look up Kyrie post-eclipse.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 If there's like one thing that's changed,

Speaker 4 if there's one thing that's changed, because I do feel like on kind of a more serious level, like Kyrie,

Speaker 4 he's learned over the years, I think, not to,

Speaker 4 he's learned the hot-button things that he can't say to the media, right?

Speaker 4 He can have whatever conversations he wants with his friends, but it feels like he's not bringing that drama as much as he used to.

Speaker 10 Yes, for now, without question, especially since there's things in the world that he could definitely comment on that would be controversial. Yes.

Speaker 1 So, um,

Speaker 10 and by the way, now that I think about it, Dallas was like heart of the totality.

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.
Right. I'm telling you, I think something flipped from the Kyrie.
Look it up.

Speaker 10 DFT, you have potentially identified something incredible.

Speaker 1 We got a reverse werewolf Kyrie.

Speaker 1 All right, so

Speaker 1 this is good. I can't wait to see the stats.
I got a question for you. This is not Brian Winhorse's opinion.
This is GM's opinion. So it's a two-part question.

Speaker 1 Rank the players. Say all contracts equal.
You know, you call up a GM who they would want over everyone else. Yeah.
Luca, Tatum, and Halliburton. So that's the first part.

Speaker 1 And then I have a second part of that question.

Speaker 10 Luca Tatum. I think they probably take Luca

Speaker 10 because he's 6'8 and he can be such a difference maker in a single game.

Speaker 10 And then

Speaker 10 Tatum and Ann is interesting because the Ant defends, man. Like, this is the thing.
Like, when I see people rank these players,

Speaker 10 it's two ends of the court. Yeah.
And not only does Ant defend, he wants to defend. This is the one thing.
I don't know anything about college basketball.

Speaker 10 I don't have time or I don't have bandwidth to study it.

Speaker 10 I do watch the tournament, which is not a responsible way to evaluate college players.

Speaker 1 So I would never come out and say that's a John Paxon way to set up for the draft. Yeah.

Speaker 10 The guy from Connecticut, Klingen, the center. Yep.

Speaker 10 The thing that blew me away about him when I watched him was that he wants to play defense. What I mean by that is he like busts his ass to get into position.

Speaker 10 You can tell what happens on that end of court he feels personally responsible for.

Speaker 10 And that's one of the reasons why, to me, he is an exciting player because not only is he seven foot whatever, with like a seven foot, I think Gavoni said seven foot nine inch.

Speaker 10 I think Gavoni said his standing reach is nine foot seven.

Speaker 10 So basically, if he gets on his tiptoes, he can probably touch the rim.

Speaker 10 It's one thing to have that and then not want to play defense. I've seen plenty of players like that.

Speaker 10 I've seen seven foot three guys who only want to shoot threes. Seriously, they have no interest in going into the paint.
This guy wants that. And so that's why when I see Ant,

Speaker 10 not only does he, first off, he's got super long arms, even though he's not super tall. He's like 6'4 ⁇ , he's got really long arms.
He wants to defend. And that's the thing about Tatum.

Speaker 10 One of the things that happens at ESPN is that, you know, we always have these parlor games, you know, for first take.

Speaker 10 Who's the best duo?

Speaker 10 Who's the best guy to build around? Who would you pick to start a team with? And I am always going to default to the guys that play both ends. And Tatum plays both ends.

Speaker 10 And that's why a lot of people, I think, would pick Tatum. But Ant plays both ends.
And he wants it.

Speaker 10 He wants the ball. He wants the microphone.
Honestly,

Speaker 10 I would, I was so impressed with him wearing the microphone.

Speaker 1 The microphone got you.

Speaker 10 If I was in these drafts meetings, you know, I was listening to guys talk about what they got asked by. And I know this is a big thing at the NFL combine.
This is a this has been gone for years.

Speaker 10 I would start asking potential top picks, would you wear a microphone for a road game?

Speaker 1 I love this. I could just see it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Brian Winor sitting in like a you know a front office, like a set of money ball, and you got the, you're doing the Utah Jazz thing and be like, will he wear a microphone game seven? Right.

Speaker 10 Like you got the coach over there going, how would you execute this pin down?

Speaker 10 And you got, you know, the general manager going, like, you know, what's your most embarrassing moment?

Speaker 10 You know, well, you know, the first time you were alone in the backseat of a car with a woman, what did you do?

Speaker 10 And then I would be like, they get to me, and I'm the guy, like, you know, the consultant who's like, you know, got some sort of BS thing. Would you wear the mic in game seven on the road?

Speaker 1 That's easy.

Speaker 10 That would be, okay, that's my question. See you guys later.

Speaker 1 What about this?

Speaker 4 Do you think that Jason Tatum is such a coward that he made sure that his team had home court advantage so he would never have to wear the mic on game seven on the road?

Speaker 10 Absolutely.

Speaker 10 I think you should absolutely go with that, Tatum.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

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Speaker 1 All right, so that's Celtics Pacers series. The Celtics are really, really good.
Like, I know that they have not played. Thank you for saying that.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 it's unfortunate the Celtics play in a conference that is not good, and they are a lot better than everyone.

Speaker 1 They're very, very good. They very well could win the title.

Speaker 1 They're the favorites right now. Is there any chance the Pacers can win this series? And if they do,

Speaker 1 what has to happen?

Speaker 10 It's so tough to say that there's no chance because I've seen seen the Celtics play in the playoffs these last few years.

Speaker 10 As I wrote in my 2009 book, what was the name of that book?

Speaker 10 What's going on right now reminds me of

Speaker 10 in 2009, the Cavs won 66 games. They went 8-0 the first two rounds of the playoffs, obliterated the first two opponents, but weren't like amazingly impressive.
They just, they got through the series.

Speaker 10 They had to wait nine days, and they played Orlando Mad, the Orlando Magic, who had just come off a seven-game series with the Celtics. Same situation.

Speaker 10 Orlando wins on a Sunday afternoon and comes to Cleveland to play the number one seed, 66 wins. Celtics have 64 wins.
And the Cavs weren't ready for it. Now, that Orlando team was not the sixth seed.

Speaker 10 They were, I think, the three seed. I think they won like 57 games.
It's not exactly apples to apples, but I remember about that game is the Magic hit the floor.

Speaker 10 like they had been driving in a race going 100 miles an hour and the calves hit the floor like they were slowly merging merging on, like grandma looking over their shoulder with the turn signal on.

Speaker 10 And so that's the one thing I'll say about this is that the Pacers have been playing

Speaker 10 meaningful, every game matters basketball, even back into the back end of the regular season, because they were trying to get that six seed. They didn't want the seven and go into the play-in.

Speaker 10 And that's why they haven't lost a home game in two months. I think the last home game they lost was like March 18th.
It's because all those games they had to win.

Speaker 10 And when you're the sixth seed, you can't be losing a home game in the playoffs and think you have any chance. And so they haven't.

Speaker 10 They've approached all those home games seriously. The other thing is, it seems to me like the Pacers fans don't sell their tickets.

Speaker 10 So, you know, the Knicks have a huge fan base. We saw them, and I know Philadelphia and Indiana, it's different, but you know, I think there's not a lot of Knicks fans, the Chicago area or whatever.

Speaker 10 When the doors opened up for game three, like all of a sudden, like the first 20 fans that came down to the court were Knicks fans, I was like, oh boy, here we go again. Nope.

Speaker 10 That whole crowd was that gold, yellow, whatever you want to call it. That place is a hard place to play.

Speaker 10 So I know that the Pacers are much more in rhythm than the Celtics because these two series that the Celtics had, they were not exactly put the metal to the gas to the floor series.

Speaker 10 The Celtics have had time off and the Pacers are awesome at home.

Speaker 10 So

Speaker 10 I do think this is not going to be a pushover. The Celtics are going to have to play.

Speaker 10 And then the same sentence, same paragraph, I'll say the Pacers are there in large part because the teams that they played were so banged up. No Giannis, then Dame got hurt.

Speaker 10 Half the Knicks got hurt, and they were already missing Julius Randall.

Speaker 10 I want to honor the Pacers in the same way as saying that they were the beneficiary of not playing a team like the Celtics to this point. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a good answer.

Speaker 4 I think that's valid. That's valid because

Speaker 4 they took care of business, and the Knicks weren't necessarily like an easy out for them.

Speaker 4 That was a seven-game seven-game series, and they gave them all they could handle, even with the depleted roster.

Speaker 4 But I do feel like the Pacers, they can score, and the Celtics, they have a couple games, it feels like every series for the last few years where they just forget how to shoot, where they can't make a shot.

Speaker 10 And if you do that, sometimes PFT, sometimes they don't dribble.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sometimes they forget how to dribble. Yeah, and

Speaker 4 if you can't dribble or shoot, the Pacers are going to outscore you. They'll be able to do that.
So

Speaker 4 I feel like the Celtics should win this series. They should win it easily, but I wouldn't be shocked if the Pacers took two off them.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I think that's a fair thing to say. The other thing is, like, the Celtics,

Speaker 10 they just

Speaker 10 have cost me so much time with my family the last two years.

Speaker 10 What I mean by that is they've had so many series that should have been over

Speaker 10 and that they messed around in when I could have come home in between series.

Speaker 10 That's when you, as a media member, that's when you get acutely aware of everything that happens in a game. And,

Speaker 10 you know, getting down 3-0 to the to the heat and then winning three in a row and then losing game seven.

Speaker 10 If I was a Celtics fan, I don't know if I'd have been able to recover from the experience of that series.

Speaker 10 And so that's the thing. They never do what you expect them to do.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, yeah, their two losses this

Speaker 1 playoffs have been like blowout losses, which had you, which had you scratch your head. But then what do they do? They just dominate the team after that.
And it's like, that was never even a doubt.

Speaker 1 They're so much better than the Cavs and the Heat.

Speaker 4 Well, it's game twos, right? Boston Sports. Boston Sports in general cannot win a game two in a series.

Speaker 1 That's what Hank's been saying. So he's worried about game twos.
All right, so

Speaker 1 I like your answer, though, with the Pacers playing meaningful games, you know, the last two months. And the Celtics have been on cruise control.

Speaker 1 I still think they're going to win this series somewhat easily, but that is a wrinkle. I had a question for you about, so I did a bad job probably explaining it on our show on Monday,

Speaker 1 but the Mavs proved that tanking works with Derek Lively playing incredible in game six.

Speaker 1 I remember the NBA media and everyone being like pretty upset that the Mavs were blatantly tanking when they still could have.

Speaker 10 Luca was pissed off.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they still could have made the play-in game.

Speaker 1 Is the league going to now overreact to this? Because

Speaker 1 I am a big believer, if your team doesn't have a chance to win a championship, think about the future. Don't Don't think about playing in a play-in game and getting one more home court

Speaker 1 sale for the owner. Think about the future.
And that's what the Mavs did, and they did it, and it worked.

Speaker 10 Yeah. And so Luca had in the closeout game against the Thunder, Luca had a couple of alley oops to Derek Lively.

Speaker 10 And he kind of had this sly smile at the end of the game in the post-game press conference. He was like, I'm actually pretty happy that the Mavericks got Derek Lively.
Right.

Speaker 10 Which was his sort of, I mean, it was already obviously well known, but it was sort of his little like wink. Like, I guess it was worth it.
Here's the thing about the NBA: you can tank,

Speaker 10 just

Speaker 10 don't say you're tanking. That's when you get in trouble.
You know, when you say that you're tanking, it's when you get in trouble. And, you know, I think there have been a fine or two over the years.

Speaker 10 And I think the Mavericks even got hit with it because I think Mark Cuban, like in an interview, someone said, well, we tanked. They don't care.
They just, you know,

Speaker 10 it's like

Speaker 10 they didn't care that you rested the players. They just wanted you to announce it

Speaker 10 in advance or sometimes not even say that they were resting. It's about perception.

Speaker 10 You don't need to bring in like a $100,000 consultant

Speaker 10 who's got

Speaker 10 three management degrees and 50 years of experience fixing distressed companies to get the idea that looking at how the NBA rules work and suggesting tanking.

Speaker 10 Go tell the San Antonio Spurs that tanking doesn't work.

Speaker 1 Right. Excuse me.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 They got Tim Duncan and they got Victor Wembanyama by blatantly tanking in both situations. Yeah.
So,

Speaker 10 of course. And it, but

Speaker 10 not only that, but they, the Mavericks, one of the big problems the Mavericks had last year was that they were after the Kyrie trade is that they were ridiculously top heavy.

Speaker 10 They had those two guys and that's it. And Nico Harrison, who's their GM, and Mark Cuban, who's involved with those kind of things,

Speaker 10 they really got creative in ways to get a couple of extra guys to fill this roster out. And one of them was tanking to get Derek Lively.
And by the way, they did a draft night trade.

Speaker 10 They not only tanked, they did their work on the scouting end and correctly identified that Derek Lively was the guy that was going to fit perfect for them.

Speaker 10 And then they got their information about other teams. And then when they got to draft night, they saw an opportunity to move back in the draft.

Speaker 10 and maneuver a little bit and still get the guy that they wanted. And those assets helped them later on.

Speaker 10 They did a deal with Sacramento and they got kind of creative and it's actually kind of fascinating this trade deadline trade they made with Oklahoma City.

Speaker 10 They needed an extra first-round pick. They only were allowed to trade one because they traded a bunch of stuff for Kyrie.

Speaker 10 They needed they wanted to, well, they really wanted to trade for Kyle Kuzma, but Kyle Kuzma said he didn't want to be a Maverick and the Wizards actually.

Speaker 10 allowed him to veto the trade, which is one of the most amazing tours of the NBA season.

Speaker 10 And they went on the record. Michael Winger, their team president, went on the record and said, yeah, we went to Kyle Kuzma and said, do you want to go to Dallas? No, okay.

Speaker 10 See you at practice tomorrow.

Speaker 10 It was like, they thought they were going to trade for Kyle Kuzma, but they made this trade with Oklahoma City where they traded a pick swap like in 2030 for a first-round pick.

Speaker 10 And they would use that pick to trade for PJ Washington. And like, look, I'm not even blaming the Thunder.
That pick swap in 2030, who knows where Luca is going to be.

Speaker 10 That might end up being a top five pick.

Speaker 1 How do I know?

Speaker 10 But P.J. Washington splashing threes on the Thunder when they enabled that trade.

Speaker 10 Maybe a little bit harder for breakfast to go down in the morning. But they did a great job in Dallas to manufacture getting Derek Lively because they very easily could have been

Speaker 10 in and out of the playoffs and not had that pick. Manufacturing how to get PJ Washington.
Gafford was sort of the backup deal when Kuzma said no, but they did do that trade.

Speaker 10 They did acquire that player. And they've added three rotation players

Speaker 10 one year to the next, like three rotation players on a conference finals team. Like, that's not easy to do.
And without sacrificing either of their two top-star players.

Speaker 10 So, yeah, Lively was part of an overall strategy by Nico Harrison, who, you know, is their GM or president, whatever his title is, was really good work.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's fascinating. Yeah, it's crazy to go back and look how everything came together and they played it exactly perfectly.
And Lively, he's so fun to watch. He's so high energy on defense.

Speaker 4 He gets the boards. He does like all the dirty work.
So I got a fun parlor game for us. You were talking about the first take parlor games.
Who is the best third option on any of the remaining teams?

Speaker 4 If we're doing it like that, saying, okay, the role players are going to be the difference in the playoffs, who is the question? That's the third one.

Speaker 1 That's a good question.

Speaker 10 Thank you. I like it.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 I like it. Thank you.

Speaker 10 I don't think you would make it to first take because we don't care about third options on first take. We only care about

Speaker 10 seven different guys and about four different teams.

Speaker 4 Well, you guys do the Batman Robin. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Batman Robin.

Speaker 4 Which is an important conversation to have.

Speaker 1 We don't do Alfred. Alfred doesn't make it.
Yeah. He doesn't make the cut.

Speaker 10 Pardon my take. Alfred.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let's do the Alfreds.

Speaker 10 No Alfred. Yeah.
Okay. Got it.

Speaker 10 Really, actually, really good question. Great question.
Thanks.

Speaker 1 You don't even have to answer it.

Speaker 4 That was just, yeah, just keep it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're done. He keeps telling me how great it was.
Porzingis is Alfred there. Wait.

Speaker 10 And we don't know how good he's going to be. Wait.

Speaker 1 Is Porzingis your Alfred? Yeah.

Speaker 10 You don't think so?

Speaker 1 I think he's Robin? I think Derrick White.

Speaker 1 Derek White has been so good.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's just because Porzingis has been injured. But when Derek White is going, that Celtics team feels like it has a different gear.

Speaker 10 He's playing like an Alfred. Right.

Speaker 1 I'll give you that. That's right.
And Porzingis has been injured. Okay, that's fair.

Speaker 10 I think they need Porzingis to be the Alfred. Okay, that's fair.
Yep. Is he catwoman? White has played like an Alfred.

Speaker 10 Yeah, he's a, of all the classic Alfreds, has there been more of a classic, more classic Alfred than Derek White this year? I think not.

Speaker 1 Derek White actually has been, he had a few games where he played like Batman.

Speaker 10 Pooh, you're not kidding. Superman.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 10 he did something interesting. They offered him a contract extension last fall, which I don't know how much they offered him.
He turned it down.

Speaker 10 The contract he's on right now is like, it's good, but like he is so much better than that. He totally kind of bet on himself.
And maybe it was a no-brainer to turn it down.

Speaker 10 Like, I don't know what the numbers were. Then he had this awesome season.

Speaker 10 Boston's got to pay him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Like, it's like, so, so, Jason, so uh, Jalen Brown's $300 million contract starts next year.

Speaker 10 We signed it a year early. Tatum

Speaker 10 has already qualified for his 300 million. Actually, actually, Jalen Brown's came in a little below 300.
It was like 288. I think Jalen, uh, or I think Jason Tatum's is going to be about

Speaker 10 like 308 308 or something like that. So they're going to sign him.

Speaker 10 They're giving him 300 million. They have to.

Speaker 10 You got to pay Derek White, by the way. That's going to be an expensive team.

Speaker 1 All right, so Porzingis. Porzingis is your number one Alfred.

Speaker 10 I think so, but,

Speaker 10 you know, like

Speaker 10 P.J. Washington was pretty important.

Speaker 1 He was a big Alfred.

Speaker 6 He was a big Alfred.

Speaker 10 He was a big Alfred. Yeah, I'm going to stick with Porzingis.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Final answer. All right.

Speaker 1 What about the Wolves, Alfred? Who's the Alfred that needs some? Because you'd think it would be however you look at it, Rudy or Cat, but it could easily be a Jaden McDaniels.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I think McDaniels is big, but you know,

Speaker 10 Nikolai Jokic, who is not somebody who I would say is effusive about too many things, you know.

Speaker 10 What he basically gave Mike Conley a Valentine

Speaker 10 after getting eliminated. And also, you always congratulate the opposition when you lose, but you're not in the mood when you're sitting up there and you're thinking about your season being over.

Speaker 10 He took the time to basically completely applaud Mike Conley.

Speaker 10 And so while Conley is not going to put up 25 a game normally, he gets them organized because, you know, that team gets a little wild.

Speaker 10 You know, Kat starts having possessions where things go a little crazy, Ant goes a little off board.

Speaker 10 And Conley always does the right thing. Sometimes it's to get the ball and immediately pass it.
He has the ball in his hand for two-tenths of a second because that's the right thing to do.

Speaker 10 Sometimes what he does is he gets the ball and he's like, okay, you go over here, you get over there.

Speaker 10 Rudy needs a touch. Rudy's getting frustrated.
He's blowing steam a little bit. We're going to give Rudy Gobert a touch because it's going to help us on the defensive end.
Mike Conley.

Speaker 10 I think is probably their third. Like, Jaden McDaniels is more important, I guess, because they got to use him on Luca.

Speaker 10 But Mike Conley Conley playing well and being healthy and doing his job, I think is third most important on that.

Speaker 4 And the games he didn't play this postseason, they did look like a much different team. They looked way worse, way less organized.

Speaker 1 Ant said that. He was like, they're like, what's the adjustment? He's like, we didn't have Mike Conley.

Speaker 4 Feels like the Timberwolves have several Alfreds. Like Nas Reed.
He could be an Alfred, too. Wow.

Speaker 10 I love Nas Reed.

Speaker 1 Nas Reed's awesome. Yeah, Wash.
So much fun.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 that stretch he had in game seven where it was like a two-minute stretch where he completely dominated the game on both ends.

Speaker 1 Like, it feels like he has that every other game where it's like, oh, this game was just decided by Nas Reed just outplaying every man of the year.

Speaker 10 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 And he is so strong.

Speaker 1 He's so strong.

Speaker 10 You know what? There's a lot of super subs. You know, you're talking about Alfred.
Talk about super subs. I don't know.
Work on your cartoon comp for that, PS.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 10 TJ McConnell. Yep.

Speaker 10 Guy is amazing. I mean,

Speaker 10 just watch TJ McConnell play. It's just amazing.
It's

Speaker 10 Peyton Pritchard, who is

Speaker 10 an absolute pest when he comes in the game for Boston.

Speaker 10 You got Nas Reed, defensive, or sixth man of the year, and Derek Lively comes off the bench.

Speaker 10 I mean, super subs. And by the way, that's one of the reasons why these teams are here because they have good benches.

Speaker 1 You forgot Luca Garza.

Speaker 10 Luca Garza, by the way. Yeah.

Speaker 10 That dude is freaking ripped.

Speaker 1 If you see his dad, his dad's big too.

Speaker 10 I don't want to mess with his dad. Yeah.

Speaker 10 I mean, that guy is

Speaker 10 even in a league where you see

Speaker 10 freak athletes, because

Speaker 10 with all due respect, like NFL players and baseball players,

Speaker 10 the freak athletes are in the NBA. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Baseball players are not taking athletes.

Speaker 10 There's certain NFL players that are

Speaker 10 incredible athletes. Like, for example, when I sit next to Shannon Sharp on the set of first take,

Speaker 10 I look at him. He's like 50-something years old.
I'm like, how the hell did anybody ever tackle him?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Ever.

Speaker 10 But even amongst the freak athletes through the NBA, where you've got these six foot 10 guys who were ripped,

Speaker 10 Luca Garza stands out.

Speaker 1 I is buff. And I loved it when, you know, it's like whenever you get the Luca Garza minutes, you're like, all right, Timbrools are rolling.
So it's, you know, got to mention him.

Speaker 10 Not quite Darko Milisich victory cigar, but I could see that.

Speaker 10 I would never say that to him.

Speaker 1 No, no, Mr. Garza, please

Speaker 10 please enter the game.

Speaker 10 Allow me.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 All right, well, Wendy, I had one last question for you. You don't do predictions, by the way.
Wendy doesn't do predictions, which I respect.

Speaker 10 I mean, sometimes I get tricked into it, so maybe you're going to trick me into it, but I prefer not to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you, I mean, like I said, I listened to you and Bond, Tempson, McMahon, and you, you actually did accidentally predict that the Nuggets were going to win that series.

Speaker 10 By the way, shady business on that particular thing because we have a group chat where we talk about the show before the show. I'm sure you guys maybe sent a text to each other.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 And I said Nuggets are going to win the series like when it was 2-1.

Speaker 10 And they took that from, you don't bring the group chat. Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 There are different rules. Everything is said in the group chat here is said out loud.

Speaker 4 You know it's fair game. Everything.
That's why our pre-podcast conversation.

Speaker 6 We're on their side.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Listen, there are no, I mean, we got when Hank takes a nap every other day, we tape him doing it, taking a nap. Like, everything.
I see. No, I got it.
Yeah. I got it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're on the record all the time.

Speaker 4 So our pre-podcast conversations on text are basically just like, what do you guys want to eat for dinner? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then, and then if Hank tries to jinx one of our bets.

Speaker 10 So you're saying I got to take the L. Not only that I made a prediction that wasn't meant to be public that turned out to be wrong.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can't make the prediction. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wherever you make the prediction, it still counts.

Speaker 4 Because that tells me that you do make predictions. You just don't want to do it publicly.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You don't want to get the backlash if you're wrong, so you have to be about that life on and off the court.
Yes, busted, okay.

Speaker 16 All right, so uh, my last question, man, I'll tell you what, when you're hungry out there, you start acting like a rookie quarterback in his first game, making bad decisions, messing up the basics, being all out of sorts.

Speaker 16 That's where Snickers comes in, man. That thing is packed: roasted peanuts, nugget, caramel, milk, chocolate.
It's like the MVP of candy bars.

Speaker 16 And when you bite into it, boom, it sorts you out, gets your head back in the game of life, satisfying your hunger. Remember this.
Snickers handles your hunger so you can handle everything else.

Speaker 16 Snickers satisfies, man. That's a winning play.

Speaker 1 You don't make predictions, but

Speaker 1 if we were to see a text message on a group chat from Wendy, he would have said, with the final four set, this team's going to win it all. Again, this is not a prediction.

Speaker 10 If Boston doesn't win, it's a terrible missed opportunity. Okay.
Terrible.

Speaker 1 I like that way you spend it because that's not a prediction.

Speaker 10 Because, like, who is like Boston, first off, they've been here a whole bunch of times, like six or whatever conference finals in the last like nine years.

Speaker 10 LeBron's not in their way. The Warriors are not in their way.
Giannis, who they had to go seven a couple years ago, and they only won that series really because Middleton got hurt.

Speaker 10 Giannis, they didn't make it there because he was hurt.

Speaker 10 The team that, the only team that handled them all year long in a regular season was the Nuggets. You know, I think they lost three games in Boston.
Nuggets came in there and handled them.

Speaker 10 They're gone. Like, I'm not saying that, you know, Luca is a pushover, Anna's a pushover.
I'm not, you know, disrespecting the Pacers.

Speaker 10 But if you're going to win the title, how can you, you got home court, you're playing the sixth seed. Again, with all due respect to the Nuggets, they're the Pacers.
They're the sixth seed.

Speaker 10 You're playing the sixth seed in the conference finals.

Speaker 10 You know, if you're not going to win 18, banner 18, that's the whole thing about Boston, Boston, L.A., they both got 17 banners. They both won 18.

Speaker 10 When is it going to happen? Like, I mean, yeah, they've got an injury to Porzingas, but look at the other teams. Other teams have also had injuries.

Speaker 10 It's sitting there in Boston's lap. They got to take it.
Also,

Speaker 10 they hadn't had the stress the last half of the last quarter of the season. They haven't really had the stress in these playoffs.
Like, just, there's just no,

Speaker 10 assuming health, they got nothing to, they got no excuses. Okay.

Speaker 4 So you're saying it's now or never.

Speaker 1 Good, good non-prediction, but I get what you're saying.

Speaker 4 Championship window closing on the Celtics if they don't.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I will say this.

Speaker 10 This year and next year, with where the Celtics' salaries are, because you look at who they're paying, they're going to have three guys making $300 million.

Speaker 10 Porzingis, what he's making, they're going to have to pay Derek White. They just extended Drew Holiday.
They are not the Clippers. Their ownership does not have $120 billion.

Speaker 10 They cannot, historically, they cannot pay unlimited amount of luxury tax. Their team is set up.
This particular group is set up for this year and next year.

Speaker 10 Then I think they will have to potentially retrofit a little bit. Doesn't mean they're not going to have Tatum and Brown.

Speaker 10 But if they're going to win it,

Speaker 10 even if they were playing the 86 version of the Celtics or the 97 Bulls or whatever, it was going to be, this was going to be their prime prime these two years. So even more amped up, 2024 and 2025,

Speaker 10 are where the Celtics have to hit it. And this is a great opportunity right now.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
See the day.

Speaker 1 Well, Wendy, you're the best. We appreciate you.
As always, go buy a book so we can get an update on LeBron's strength.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. And we'll see you on TV and hear you on podcasts.

Speaker 10 How strong is Luca Garza? That is.

Speaker 1 He's so strong. He's so strong.

Speaker 4 I think you said so buff. Yeah, he's buff.

Speaker 1 That's different than strong, by the way.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 10 One tends to to go with the other, but Luca Garza. I'm just telling you, man,

Speaker 10 don't bleep talk Luca Garza. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. That's good, good lasting advice.

Speaker 4 And tell us about Kyrie's eclipse stats, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, let us know. Even if you're gonna get it.
I'm gonna get back to you on that.

Speaker 4 Find like one small part of his game if that's all that it takes. That's taken enormous leap since then.
We'll just run with that.

Speaker 10 Zone of totality. That's what they should call his cheering section in Dallas.

Speaker 1 It's a zone of totality. I love it.
I love it. All right.
Thank you so much, Wendy.

Speaker 10 Take care, guys.

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Speaker 1 Max, was that your best take ever? It might be.

Speaker 1 It might be. Yeah, I can't wait for this game.
I cannot wait for this game. All right.

Speaker 7 Hank, pardon your takes.

Speaker 3 Hey, guys.

Speaker 1 Hey, Hank.

Speaker 3 I have sports theory about the PGA.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 3 I have reasons to believe that Scotty was set up to be arrested. If you look at the PGA numbers the day before, it was extremely down, and they've been down all season.

Speaker 3 That's a little editorial I added.

Speaker 1 Oh. So.

Speaker 7 Oh, that was Liv Hank.

Speaker 3 It's just a fact.

Speaker 3 They paid a cop to tell Scotty the wrong information. The police department knew what time he'd be coming in and what car he would be in.

Speaker 3 I believe it was set up for a large number of views the next couple days. Xander, a PGA stan, was given the opportunity to make a great story, which he did.
The story doesn't add up.

Speaker 3 I'll be doing more investigating to that subject. Have a great day.

Speaker 4 I like this. I like this a lot.
False flag arrest. Look up Operation Northwoods.
We have a history of this type of stuff.

Speaker 1 What happened to Operation Northwoods?

Speaker 4 The CIA was trying to have people hijack airplanes and then crash them and then blame it on the government of Cuba so we'd invade Cuba. Oh.
And then John F.

Speaker 4 Kennedy said, no, we're not going to do that because we're not going to murder our own citizens. And then the CIA killed him.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 But yes,

Speaker 4 same thing happened with Scotty Scheffler.

Speaker 1 Cuba arrested Scotty Scheffler.

Speaker 4 History doesn't necessarily repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes.

Speaker 1 I like this take a lot. I mean,

Speaker 1 that was a story that took over the entire internet that

Speaker 1 casual fans, sports fans, had to have seen. It led everything.

Speaker 3 And Scotty winning would have been boring for the sport. Right.

Speaker 1 So they're like, what if Scotty winning with a felony?

Speaker 3 Well, like, how do we get him to not win?

Speaker 1 Well, that wasn't why he didn't win. He didn't win because he just didn't have his caddy on Saturday.

Speaker 4 Also, Jeff Darlington.

Speaker 1 That's the craziest story ever.

Speaker 4 Jeff Darlington, he's an NFL guy. Yeah.
He happened to be there. Oh.
To be the one that saw this? Interesting. That is interesting, isn't it?

Speaker 1 Maybe Schefter, because you know Schefter is in the Illuminati. He probably was like, I'll throw you a bone, Jeff Darlington.

Speaker 1 You can have this one.

Speaker 4 Well, I was thinking that if it was a PGA reporter, if it was someone esteemed like Trey and Rapaport that was there, he would never go along with anything like this. True.

Speaker 4 But you call in a hired gun from the outside. Darlington's your patsy.
He brings you in. Now you've got the report front and center video evidence.

Speaker 4 Why did it take an hour for Jeff to release the video that he took of Scotty getting arrested? Have you thought about that one?

Speaker 4 He had the video before he had the tweet, but he put the tweet out first, then an hour later, put out the video. Was it edited?

Speaker 4 Yeah, he had to send it back to Bristol.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this all makes sense. I like it.
Yeah, good take. All because they're scared of Hank and the Live Boys.
It's a good take.

Speaker 3 An idea that will right all that is wrong with this country.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 3 Prison league basketball is televised and in ranked bracket. Winning team is freed from prison.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, in. Yeah, sure.
100% in.

Speaker 4 What I heard was more sports.

Speaker 1 I'm actually shocked that Mr. Beast hasn't figured out a way to do like a free the prisoners.
I got a thousand prisoners. And I see, see, which one could stand for the longest?

Speaker 1 Like, that doesn't that feel like something he's maybe working on?

Speaker 4 Like squid games? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I could see it. I built a giant horse and I put a bunch of soldiers inside of it.
And now we're wheeling it up to Moscow, Russia to see if they accept this gift. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I could see it for sure.

Speaker 3 I have a question that should have happened a few weeks ago.

Speaker 3 But do you think when a player is surrounded by a bunch of other four or five-star prospects that it hurts a player's potential growth? One school that specifically comes to mind is Alabama.

Speaker 3 Outside of wide receiver running back, they historically don't have great NFL showing, despite being drafted high.

Speaker 3 I am not an Alabama hater. That's also not true.

Speaker 1 But there are many situations. I think what he's talking about is quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 There are standouts, Bama, Ohio State, Clemson, et cetera, that don't perform well in NFL. Offensive linemen and quarterbacks stick out particularly.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so quarter, I guess you could say in recent history, Alabama, you're Muff's big cat. No, I know.

Speaker 1 Ohio State. Ohio State.

Speaker 1 Ohio State forever.

Speaker 4 The quarterbacks don't pan out. Maybe it's because they've got great receivers.
They don't have to work on the small details as much as the guys that don't have all that talent around them.

Speaker 1 But then how would you explain Joe Burrow?

Speaker 4 It's a fair point.

Speaker 1 LSU. Right.
He had great receivers. He was Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 7 Like, he had incredible receivers around him.

Speaker 3 But they're not traditionally a quarterback.

Speaker 1 No, but I'm saying, like, how would you explain a guy like that who is

Speaker 1 good

Speaker 1 in college with incredible talent and then also good in the NFL?

Speaker 4 He was actually the double threat. He was LSU and Ohio State.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, this is a regular take. I kind of agree with it because you guys get - if you're - if everyone is always open, it's going to be easier and harder to grade.

Speaker 4 But what about quarterbacks that go to maybe not as good of a program and they play worse competition?

Speaker 4 So it's easier for them because they're not playing as good defenses.

Speaker 4 Josh Allen. Jay Cutler was really the best example of this.
Jay Cutler at Vandy

Speaker 4 didn't have great receivers, gets to the NFL, but he's still used to playing against SEC defenses.

Speaker 1 It turns out that it's just harder to pick quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 Yeah, probably.

Speaker 3 All right, last one. The NBA season should start in December and finals should finish first week of August.
Yes.

Speaker 3 Played fully indoors, so the weather doesn't matter. It fills the void of no major sports in July and early August, and it did compete with NFL viewers for less than two months or for two less months.

Speaker 1 Everybody wins. I don't think it should go to August

Speaker 1 because when you're in July, you don't want to be sitting inside watching

Speaker 1 sports sports the whole time if it's the NBA, if it's like the conference championship. But I am a big proponent of starting it.
Like, 60 game season started on December 25th.

Speaker 1 Remember the year, the lockout year? That started?

Speaker 4 That was awesome. It was good.
Best schedule. What if it was the NHL that did that? That way you get to go to hockey games in July.
It's nice and cool in there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just think that the

Speaker 1 July is very hard to

Speaker 1 get people to watch.

Speaker 1 So, yeah.

Speaker 1 I think every sport outside of football should do smaller seasons.

Speaker 1 Like 60 games in the NHL and the NBA, it feels like it would be you'd just have more at stake.

Speaker 1 MLB should be like 120. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It would just because that's really and it's you can't do 18 games or 17 games like they do in the NFL, but that's why the NFL part of the reason why the NFL is so highly rated and so widely popular is every single week matters.

Speaker 1 There's only 17 of them.

Speaker 4 I can't imagine that What are the average ticket gates for NBA games in the month of November?

Speaker 1 Still, I mean, in big cities, probably still very decent.

Speaker 4 They're still making enough money where the owners will never agree to shorten it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, they'll never shorten it. Yeah, because also that's less TV revenue.

Speaker 4 True.

Speaker 1 Like, if anything, they'll probably do more games.

Speaker 4 Maybe some double headers.

Speaker 4 Yeah, double headers. That'd be sick.

Speaker 1 Doubleheader NBA game would be awesome. It'd be great.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Load management city. Tibbs would love some double headers.

Speaker 1 Or just have it be like, have

Speaker 1 like AAU week where it's like every team plays, they play doubleheaders and also every single day. Like they do a full tournament for five days straight.
Yeah. Just knock out 15 games.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that would rock.

Speaker 4 That's what they used to do in UFC, too. Yeah.
It would just be like you have to keep fighting this entire weekend.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I do think the NBA should,

Speaker 1 I actually think one thing NBA could fix,

Speaker 1 for the most of the NBA season, it's what, like three games a week, right?

Speaker 1 If the NBA should do a consistent,

Speaker 1 call it Tuesday, Friday, or whatever you want to do, where it's like, these are the two days that everyone plays, so people can start getting their schedules around it.

Speaker 1 Where it's like, I don't know how it would actually work out if there's enough games, but like, if you had an actual day where it's like, these are the days that are played, Tuesday, Friday, you know, you're going to get to see like the entire full slate of NBA, I think that would be cool.

Speaker 4 It's like in football, you know that the games are going to be on Sunday and then Mondays, and then sometimes Wednesdays, and then every Thursday and then also some Fridays.

Speaker 7 Black Friday and Saturdays.

Speaker 1 And then Saturdays too late in the season.

Speaker 4 They make it very easy for football fans to know when the games are up.

Speaker 1 There's only six to seven days. Yes.

Speaker 1 Except for COVID, then there was a Tuesday night.

Speaker 4 There was a Tuesday night.

Speaker 12 We have Brazil Friday this year, week one.

Speaker 4 Brazil Friday, yeah.

Speaker 1 And the Black Friday last year. Let's go Birds.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What was that? Let's Go Birds. The Birds played Brazil.
How do you think the Birds season is going to go this year?

Speaker 8 Great.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 4 Why'd you say it like that? Tough Tough division.

Speaker 1 Are you worried at all that

Speaker 1 you got the guy?

Speaker 4 What is this? It's too early.

Speaker 4 It goes directly from Embiid season to Jalen Hurt's season.

Speaker 1 Are you sure? Oh, yeah. Couldn't be.
100% the guy. 100%.
Okay.

Speaker 11 100%.

Speaker 4 Nick Siriani?

Speaker 4 Jalen Hurt. You think he's the guy?

Speaker 11 Siriani could be back.

Speaker 1 I'm pretty confident.

Speaker 11 I'm going into this season optimistic with Siriani. We got good coordinators this year.
We didn't have good coordinators last year.

Speaker 7 Leader of men.

Speaker 8 This isn't Eagles talk.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well,

Speaker 1 you said go birds.

Speaker 7 You said the Brazil game.

Speaker 1 No, you said the Brazil game. Jake said the Brazil game.
The booth started the Eagles talk.

Speaker 4 We were talking about days. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sorry. Birds.

Speaker 4 No, Jake, don't apologize for that. We were having a days conversation.
Yeah,

Speaker 4 and then Max had to insert his birds into a conversation. Well, you bring up the birds.

Speaker 11 It's my God-given right to say go birds.

Speaker 1 It was very funny. Max did an interview.

Speaker 1 What's the show's name? Barcelona Breakdown? Barcelona Breakdown. Those guys are awesome.
But Max did an interview.

Speaker 1 He was retelling, coming on with part of my take, and Hank telling him, like, hey, like, this is going to work out because you're a big Philly guy. And, like, Big Hat said he wants a big Philly guy.

Speaker 1 And Max said back to Hank, like, okay, but I don't really know when that's going to come up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that did happen.

Speaker 1 Whoops. Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's finish show numbers.

Speaker 3 8, 46, 20.

Speaker 1 That was a check heat. Check it.
That was a dead heat.

Speaker 3 I think Big Cat got it.

Speaker 1 Rocks paper suits shoe for it. Thank you.
I mean,

Speaker 1 18. Well, you're a skell.
Yeah, no, I mean, I'm a rider.

Speaker 7 Dead heat. Who got it?

Speaker 1 You got it? Looks like Big Cat's like a hay. All right, 56.
Let's go. All right, Shane.

Speaker 6 Shane?

Speaker 1 99 pug.

Speaker 4 Shane, Shane, Shane? 21.

Speaker 1 3.

Speaker 1 Lottery ball has a chance to do the funniest thing right now.

Speaker 1 Let's go.

Speaker 1 46.

Speaker 12 That's me.

Speaker 1 You got it? Yeah. Wait, seriously? Yeah.
Oh, I didn't even hear you. I'm getting excited, Hank.
That's what I say.

Speaker 1 It's easy to do. Good job, Hank.

Speaker 3 46, Jordy 40. Dude, really happy.

Speaker 1 It's so fucking easy to do, right? Wow.

Speaker 1 Max, did you take anything from that? Like, that was Hank, just showed you how fucking easy this is.

Speaker 11 I know. He showed PFD and I, it's really easy.

Speaker 1 Showed you. I know.
You showed me.

Speaker 1 Hank, were you showing me? Yeah, I didn't like that.

Speaker 4 Were you showing me or were you showing Max how easy it was? I mean, Max is one of those things, he's just a loser.

Speaker 3 It's fun to win in his face, but it's also like he's never going to get there. Right.

Speaker 1 He's never going to get it.

Speaker 1 I have you know that he's never going to get it. I have gotten it.
No, no, you haven't. No, you haven't.

Speaker 11 And I got it in New York before you did, buddy.

Speaker 1 Doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 I feel like 46 has come up a lot.

Speaker 3 Easy. I just started picking it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Hank, that wasn't even ⁇ you didn't even react. Screw the scope.

Speaker 12 Third time on part of myballs.com.

Speaker 3 20 sucks.

Speaker 1 Hank is a fucking beast at this.

Speaker 4 Good work, Hank.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Max. Just

Speaker 1 PFT. Hank, real quick, how did you do that?

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 1 how'd you do it?

Speaker 3 I just picked two numbers that were good luck, you know? Reminded me of some friends, and those were their lucky numbers, so I combined them.

Speaker 1 Joe Biden, yeah, yeah, and you just said the number, right? Yeah, 46.

Speaker 11 And then it PFT, we can learn from this.

Speaker 1 The number came up, it just popped right up.

Speaker 11 We can learn from this.

Speaker 1 Did you say 46? That was impressive. I've been saying it.
Okay, no, that was. Like, your reaction has me very confused.

Speaker 4 Max, you're talking a little bit.

Speaker 1 I just, it's like I've already won before. I know.

Speaker 1 I'm not.

Speaker 4 I'm just so Max. You're talking a whole lot right now.

Speaker 4 For someone who's not mad.

Speaker 11 I'm not mad. I'm just, I mean, something we can learn on.

Speaker 1 Learn from? Learn from. Learn from.

Speaker 4 Listen, Max, I don't give a fuck about the lottery machine. PFT.
I can't either.

Speaker 4 Again, you're talking a lot. Jesus Christ, Max.
I don't give a fuck about it. It's just numbers.
It's going to happen eventually. It's just statistics for me, so I'm not concerned at all about it.

Speaker 4 That's why I'm not forcing myself to nod my head a lot and say, yeah, I'm going to get this. PFT, you're going to get this.
You're not going to get it because you're so nervous about it.

Speaker 4 You're going to psych yourself out.

Speaker 1 The lottery ball knows.

Speaker 7 It's like a dog.

Speaker 1 They smell the fear. They don't want anything to do with it.

Speaker 4 Max hates dogs, too. Right.

Speaker 1 That was so good, Hank. Thank you.
You're the fucking man. Thank you.
Max, maybe wake up tomorrow and be like, how can I be more like Hank?

Speaker 1 Well, actually, no, that wouldn't be waking up. Maybe sleep in tomorrow and be like, how can I be more like Hank?

Speaker 4 Love you guys.

Speaker 4 Though I was drumming for your love of dreams, take

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