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On today's Pardon My Take, we have our good friend Todd McShay. It is draft week.
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It is playoff time. We got NBA playoffs.
We got Stanley Cup playoffs. We got some overreaction to do to game one.
Nothing better than having a game one and being like, well, that's how the rest of the series is going to go. Series over.
Series over. Home teams will win every game.
Yeah, we're going to do some

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Now in the street there is violence And then a lot of work to be done No place to hang out or wash in And then I can't name all on the sun Oh no We're gonna rock down to Electric Avenue And then we'll take it higher Oh we're gonna rock down to electric it's part of my take present about varsity sports welcome to part of my take presented by draft king sportsbook new customers download the draft king sportsbook app use code take that's code take to get 200 in bonus bets when when you bet just $5 only on DraftKings the crown is yours it is playoff season Hank put it perfectly he said there's no better couple of weeks here where we have game after game after game NBA playoffs have kicked off Stanley Cup playoffs have started PFT yes you want to overreact uh yeah the los angeles clippers are going to win the west oh not they're gonna compete they're gonna compete hey i said that mostly just to get hank's hopes up because hank is grasping at all the straws if you just if you throw any team out there any one individual player that you think can shut yokich down hank's like yep yep because he just doesn't want to see the nuggets hank has gotten to the point where he admitted to us that he looked already at the nba final schedule and was saying it's going to be a tough schedule for him and he was like game game fours on a friday in denver like going through it like that where it's just set well he was looking at how it lined up with the show so he he'd have to record it. Yeah, he wants to go on the wood.
He would have to record, I think, at least a couple pods right after games, right? Yeah, on the wood. Well, no, I don't want to.
I'm only trying to go to the wood on non-recording nights. But game one and two, which would be home games because Celtics have the best record in the NBA, are on a Thursday and a Sunday.
Well, Hank, you did fire me the fuck up with your tweet being like, this is it, the two weeks, my favorite two weeks. I'm happy you took that because I feel like I am guilty of having way too many favorites.
Yeah, what are your favorite weeks? I know that conference championship week is your favorite week. Feast week is your favorite week.
Yep. Wildcard weekend, super wildcard weekend.
I like divisional weekend. I also sneaky like conference championship Sunday.

Yeah.

I just like the variety because it's –

Obviously, it's also the first two weeks of the year I'm really getting into hockey,

but it's every single night.

It's the start of hockey.

Yeah, you get to have your one-seed Celtics play

and also the start of hockey season at the same time. And every hockey playoff game is just the best.
The crowds are crazy. Never over.
It's way different than the regular season. We should do Mount Rushmore of weeks for this Mount Rushmore.
Yes. There's a lot of meat on that.
Yes. World Cup week.
Great week right when it kicks off. Yeah.
I just like the two different sports. That's where it's tough to to beat this two weeks if you do have two teams in the playoffs in the nba and the nhl this is it's a great time you really can't get anything done at work yeah all right well so let's let's overreact some games you want to just go chronological order in the games this weekend and then we'll do hockey uh because by the way like you you saying that every second's a heart attack i feel like the bruins just spank the Leafs every year.
And that might just be a memory of just, I don't, maybe it happened like twice, but it feels like it happens all the time. No, more than twice.
The Bruins, the Maple Leafs are the 76ers of the NHL. Oh, to your specific team.
Yeah, they're always regular season, crazy fan base, and then they play the Boston team and get smoked. And their fans cause them to lose.
Without fail. Yeah.
And then they say it's because of matchup and it's like they haven't got out of the first round. Well their matchup is Sansonov against a hockey puck and the puck's going to win that one.
Yeah. Alright so let's go through some games.
Let's talk some games. They are game one so let's not totally overreact but let's overreact uh the first game which was perfect it

was the saturday uh noon game is just a perfect analogy for the the texans game on saturday for wild card weekend uh but calves magic the calves and magic are doing throwback basketball they're playing they should actually play this they should play this series in like grainy footage because it is 90s basketball defense.

Both teams are really good defensively.

And... They should actually play this series in grainy footage because it is 90s basketball defense.
Both teams are really good defensively. And I'm just going to throw this out here.
Bad strategy if you do Orlando Magic to have your three point guards go combined 0 for 17. Yeah, not good.
Not a good one to have. But I think this is going to be one of those series that the Cavs are going to win.
I think they'll win both at home. Then the Magic will win a couple at their home.
The series hasn't even started yet. They do have to put the ball in the basket though because the Cavs shot 27% from three and they won by 14.
It was tough. And again, it is like the Magic have statistically one of the best or if not the best defenses in the NBA, and the Cavs are also very good defensively when they ratchet it up.
But it was tough to watch. It was hard for them to put the ball in the basket.
Did you also see in this game, we had the first two minutes. Jake, maybe take off your headphones.
Don't listen to this part. We had the first two minutes of the game.
There's technical difficulties, no announcers, and it was so nice. It matched up perfectly with this game.
It was so nice. Because it was like you're going back in time a little bit.
With the announcers, sometimes this happens. Like once a year, it'll happen in a football game where you get usually like college football, maybe like the third-rate Big Ten game.
The sound audio issues cut out for like 10 minutes and you're like it's kind of nice just hearing the sound nice let the game talk we don't need anyone telling us in fact some of the best things that we ever say to joe buck like you nailed that call because you didn't talk you let the moment breathe maybe they should just not talk all the time i would love to hear tony romo not talk i could listen to tony romo not talk for hours jake do you think there was like an emergency text message with like uh ian eagle like kevin harlan jim nance like they they figured out that they don't need us no that'll never happen people say that and they'll after 10 minutes they'll be like all right it's nice to have we just spent 10 minutes last week on this show talking about how much Vern Lundquist means to the game of golf. That's why golf is different.
Golf is different. And also Vern is a legend.
Yeah, I know. But I'm just saying, like, you guys trash announcers.
No, but it was nice. It was just nice.
Maybe it was because just hearing the crowd all juiced up. Yeah, because no one talks about when announcers are good.
People just love to trash them. I'll tell you what.
No, we literally, you just said Vern Lundquist. No, I'm just saying like the casual fan is just, they're only saying bad things about broadcasters.
Jake, are you concerned at all that one day they'll just come up with AI and they'll have AI Brent Musburger announcing a game and we'll be like, this is awesome. Yeah.
Maybe they'll give an alternate version. Oh, AI John Madden would be great sign me up right now alternate version with nat sounds but no i i think within sports media there will always be you know need for playback you know what it is it's way more easy to tolerate if it's at a home game yeah you get the crowd vibe if this was in orlando and the magic was playing that poorly and get the shit kicked out of them it would it would feel awkward it would be like this is cringe well i need to hear something just to make me feel not weird yeah and it was also the the way the game started the the 90 seconds that there was no announcer i think it was max strews hit a three and then donovan mitchell hit a three and it was like the place was just fucking going nuts yeah i don't know what it says about me but every time i watch the heat play i'm like max strews is definitely still on still on that team somewhere.
I'm hoping Cleveland can win a series because, you know, fun fact, little fun fact, the Cleveland Cavaliers, Dan Gilbert, has never won a playoff series without LeBron James. But he wrote that Comic Sans letter that told me that they were going to win a title before LeBron did.
Yeah, he's never won a playoff series. Interesting.
So, actually, maybe the playoffs haven't started for him. They haven't started.
He's never won a playoff series. Yeah.
Cleveland's fun. And honestly, I think the Magic are fun.
They're a little bit young. They just can't score the basketball.
They need to make a couple additions here or there. You know what? They need Mo Wagner.
Yeah. Point card.
Yeah. 0 for 17 point cards.
Tough. That's not great.
I'm just excited to watch a series where it just, the total just keeps ticking lower and lower I think it was like 208 now it's the game two is 202 I wouldn't be shocked if we get to like the 190s low 190s because they're again a lot of great defense but also some not great shooting yeah uh okay next game we had on Saturday Suns and T-Wolves just a general thought to before, Suns and T-Wolves.

Just a general thought before we talk basketball,

the T-Wolves should just stick with their throwbacks.

Those are so clean.

The center court, the home whites, they are so clean.

Yeah, we go through this.

It's like cyclical with a lot of teams where you long for their throwbacks

and then they are the last team to change up their old uniforms. You're like, these look corny as hell, and you desperately want to change.
And then 10 years goes by, you're like, damn, those were way better than these. Right, because I think their regular ones are just kind of like new age, you know, with the blue and the lime green kind of thing.
Yeah. Just great throwback.
They're kind of like Seahawks vibes. The old ones with the like solid green the green that's like ninja turtle green in your face yeah i like that this game uh passing the torch pat anthony edwards is is a legit superstar now that was so awesome that was such a great moment because if people missed it uh anthony edwards played great the the t wolves awesome.
And he was talking so much shit to KD.

And KD was kind of laughing about it.

He couldn't do anything about it.

He was like, yeah, you're right.

You're kind of dunking on me right now.

And it wasn't KD's fault.

KD played well.

I think the Timberwolves were basically like, let's just let KD play iso ball and eliminate Booker, who was a no-show.

But it was a cool moment.

And here's my fun stat. I have some fun stats for every game.
Here's my fun stat for this game. Rudy Gobert had 16 rebounds.
The Suns as a team had 28. It's pretty bad.
No toughness. It was crazy how many second shots the T-Wolves got and just were so much more physical and I why don't the Suns get more shit well here's the thing about the Suns they're missing Chris Paul they are missing Chris Paul big time that's that's one and then you've got a bunch of teams in the West that are now playing to determine who the real problem who was the guy that that was responsible for fucking up the entire nets experiment yeah but it and kd is he's just not tough but it doesn't it feel well he did play well it's the his teammates did not like that's the point is like it was if you if you go down the list right if the bucks go out early that's a big story yannis goes out early if the clippers oh my god another failed year the lakers like all these teams the celtics they lose before the finals big team.
I feel like it's a big story. Giannis goes out early.
If the Clippers, oh, my God, another failed year. The Lakers, like all these teams, the Celtics, they lose before the finals.
I feel like if the Suns lose, everyone's like, oh, okay. Even though they are another big three, quote-unquote, with Beal, Booker, and Kevin Durant, I feel like they kind of skate by.
Again, this is an overreaction. They easily can win this series, although I don't know how they're going to rebound if Rudy Gobert is going to do that every game just just two years ago we had the Suns and Four guy yeah Suns were looking good remember him future look bright yeah that guy on the show yeah he came on the show that's quite a moment guy was awesome he was the guy was awesome yeah but yeah they were just they're punishing punishing the nuggets right yeah and how quickly things have changed yeah lot to do that.
And you're right. Like, KD, he's not the problem.
But building a big three out of Booker, KD, and Beal, it's a soft big three. Right.
And they don't get in a lot of shit. I don't know.
Like, if they get bounced in the first round, I don't know. Well, people are just like, oh, well, KD's kind of old.
They need somebody that can light a fire on them. They would actually tip them out for the higher seed.
I understand, but the Suns are, when they were constructed, everyone's like, they're a problem. Yeah.
They need to get a psycho on that team. Booker needs to go up a level.
That's all you got to say. Yeah.
Whenever you have disappointments. I guess Grayson Allen's kind of a psycho, though.
Grayson Allen's a good basketball player. He just got paid a lot of money.
All he does is hit threes. And he still wears those weird Forrest Gump ankle braces, which always make me laugh.
He turned his ankle in this game. Okay.
T-Wolves in four. Whoever wins game one is four.
Five. That'll go six or seven.
Yeah, I do, too. I do five as well.
Booker can't. Booker has to play better.
What did he end up? I think he ended up with like 17 points, which the way they're built. 18.
The way they're built, like KD, Booker, Beal have to score 70 points at least. And so I'm putting that one on him.
I'm not putting that one on KD. I'm putting that one on on booker so maybe i'm the one who's soft and giving him a pass uh nick sixers what a game garden was rocking i love i was actually going to give max uh if the sixers had won this game i was going to give max a big compliment because it felt like this was the dawning of a new Max because Embiid goes down on an awesome dunk.
Looks like the season is over yet again. And then Max, I went to look and see if he was spiraling and he just had Sixers second half game of the year.
Now they ended up losing the game, but they did cover the second half. Max, I think it honestly just comes down to the fact that the Knicks, like, role players are better than the Sixers role players.
Yeah, I mean, it's game one. This is...
Overreactions, though. Yeah.
Deuce McBride in your face. Yeah.
21 points. Is Deuce McBride going to do that every game? I mean, if you were to say that about...
You know, he's not going to... Tobias Harris is never going to do that.
No, he's terrible. But, I mean, we had Nick Batum go for 25 the day before.
It's just they didn't show up yesterday. Yeah.
How many points did he have? I think he had three. Like three points? Yeah.
And role players do play better at home in playoffs. Yeah, for sure.
So that's definitely part of it where, like, Josh Hart scored more than he usually does. Josh Hart was – in the end of the game, Josh Hart made every single shot.
Yeah. You're going to have games like that, and they won by seven points.
I'm interested to know mentally where you're at when you're watching this game. When Jalen Brunson does something awesome, is there like a quarter of a second where you're pumped up and then you have to be like, oh, shit.
Well, Brunson kind of played like shit. Yeah, but you know what I'm saying.
He gave all the credit to Jusman Brunson. When any of those those nova guys when they do something cool for a second just a second are you like oh that was awesome josh hart no brunson there's there's just a special place in my heart for jalen brunson so it's it's tough but like no he's the enemy right now he's the enemy dante good italian boy i know i love, too.
Dante. Valet his car when I was in college.

Did you scratch it up?

Whoa.

I was joking. No, I was just thinking

about it because I was going to...

I don't think he tipped, and I remember I was like...

Well, college kid.

College kid.

Before NIL.

Before NIL.

NIL, he would have given you like $100,000.

Well, he was going to a really nice steakhouse.

Interesting.

Oh, so Jay Wright maybe paying the players off the books?

How is he affording that?

What kind of car?

It was the shittiest car ever.

What did it smell like?

I don't know.

It probably smelled like a college kid's car.

What does that smell like?

Like weed.

It smelled like weed.

So Jay Wright had players getting free meals left and right and just hotboxing their cars. Not true.
Yeah. So where's your head at for this series? Embiid made a glass.
Hank, I would like to get your take on Embiid. What do you mean? You came back in the game.
But, like, again, I don't want to be a hater, but it's like this isn't even about you why like i was gonna ask i asked for his thoughts because there's nothing better than when hank can can smirk and just be right about this well the playoffs if you make it to the finals it's a long run like how many games do you think ambide has in one game in he's already yeah seven i don't think they're gonna win the fucking finals I'm just trying to take it one game at a time when he falls you that's the new max every single time he falls down you're like oh that's the in for Embiid yeah eight months that's a problem I have a go ahead Max what do you think me the allegations in bead made a glass uh learned how to fall better remember when Max said that for like three months no that was the thing because everyone's like he falls he falls but yeah he was told to fall because it's better for injury than trying to brace the impact but he also gets injured more than anyone in the world that's not true anthony davis gets injured all the time yeah max is stealing my tape max was saying like yeah he gets injured and then five minutes later you know he's going to be back in i was like oh it could be worse could be anthony davis every time he gets injured, and then five minutes later, he's going to be back in. I was like, oh, it could be worse.
It could be Anthony Davis. Every time he gets injured, he leaves the game for 15 minutes and goes to the locker room, and then he comes back.
You're like, oh, shit, I thought he was dead. Somehow he's out here playing.
I respect that. If you're boxed in as a fan, you've got to just find someone else and be like, no, that guy.
He's way worse. You're correct about that take, Max.

Zion, too. Always

hurt. Zion, good point.

Good point. Zion.
And Joe came back and had

a good game. Jontae Porter

is not even playing anymore?

You could be gambling

on games, get a lifetime ban. Didn't do

that. What about Giddy?

How come we're not talking about Giddy? He's in the playoffs, too.

Yeah, he shouldn't be playing. That was a shout-out to our guy, Michael Malone, giving Giddy a compliment.
Unprompted. Yeah.
It was all strictly on the court. Yeah, he said he dealt with some stuff off the bat.
Between the lines. Yeah.
All right, so not made of glass. Okay, I have another question for you, Max.
Buddy Heald. He's a streaky shooter.
Okay. Why doesn't he shoot? There is something out there.
He doesn't shoot. When Embiid is on the court, he's scared to shoot.
It's crazy. He's there to shoot the basketball, and he doesn't shoot.
At the end of that, there was one possession at the end of that game where it was just like an in-rhythm shot that we needed to go down, and then I think we ended up getting a shot clock because we just didn't get a shot. He doesn't shoot.
I don't get it. His whole reason for being there is to shoot, and then he just won't shoot.

Yeah.

It's crazy.

What are the fans in Philly going to chant?

You can't chant MVP this year, obviously.

When Maxie's shooting free throws, are they going to chant for most improved player?

MIP.

MIP.

MIP.

Yeah.

MIP.

He was awesome.

He was good. Maxie was great.
He was good last year, though. Why does he win the MIP.
MIP. MIP.
Yeah. MIP.
He was awesome. He was good.
Maxi is great. He was good last year, though.
Why does he win the MIP? Well, he wasn't as good last year. No, I know, but he was good.
Yeah. It's really just going from the number three.
It's all relative. Yeah.
Last year, you said build around Maxi, and I made fun of you for that, and I would like to rescind that take. He's very good.
He is very good good. Actually, no, I don't rescind that take because he's very good now.
He's the most improved player for a reason. Back when I said it, I was right.
And now I'm right for acknowledging that he is good. Credit to me.
Credit to you. Yeah, credit to you.
Huge credit to you. Do you think that the Sixers coaching staff and players goes over end-of-game situations and if you're down 5 with 45 seconds left, the only way to win is to foul.
Yeah, but teams don't foul in the NBA. It's crazy.
They just don't. You get distorted watching college basketball where it's like they'll start fouling with 3 minutes left.
I don't understand it. It was mathematically impossible.
I agree with you. They were playing defense to were playing defense to hope to get the ball back with like seven seconds left to then have to hit a three to then have to get the ball back.
Don't do it. Because Nick Nurse says that he has some tricks ready to go.
Oh. He's got some tricks.
I don't know what Nick Nurse's tricks are going to be, but reports are out there that he has established tricks and discussed some tricks. The quote, Nick Batum hinting potential.
Tricky stuff. adjustments for nick nurse last night we know what we did wrong and we found a way i think this morning to do something special with us i won't tell you what tricky stuff would would the would uh doing tricks finding tricks is that one step ahead like before the panic button i'd say if you're funny that's a panic move yeah right yeah like to have to go game two we need the tricks yeah you can't beat them straight up we gotta throw some sand in their eyes okay joel you're gonna get on your hands and knees and bark like a dog and then they'll look at you and then max you'll just drive to the hole and dunk see if we had a ladder underneath the the arena we can hit him with yeah he's gonna get the one game he's watching globeticks.
It's one game. It's early to go to the tricks.
Yeah, but what if the tricks are awesome? So where are you on your – well, we won't say panic button. Where are you on the tricks meter? I mean – You need all the tricks right now? This is a must-tricks game.
Yeah, you must-tricks. Six are going to win the series.
Six are going to win the series. Oh.
Plus – I think it was plus 250. Soul patch? No.
No, I'm already really invested, so I don't think that I have to do any bets. Okay.
I do think... I did want to commend you, though.
I feel like it's a dawning of a new match. You were way more...
Yeah, no, it's something about the Knicks. Like, I don't know.
Knicks fans are annoying, and they get so cocky, and I'm like... Now, you want to talk about cocky? They also have it one shit.

It's kind of like the Spider-Man.

Hank is just loving every second of this.

Hank shouldn't be able to talk on this. Hank's literally scheduling his trips to Denver.

The New York Knicks are the absolute...

You're in the booth.

They're legendary.

They're incredible.

Their fan base is awesome at winning a playoff game

and then getting way ahead of themselves.

And I love it.

So they started the We Want Boston chant after this game.

That's not even next round.

No.

Yeah.

Rent free, Hank.

I mean, they shut down 7th Ave after they won one game against the Hawks

and lost the series in five.

Yeah, but it was sick.

Those videos.

Also, a big bomb.

That was their first playoff win in like 10 years at a time, right?

Also, that was the crowning of future superstar Trey Young in that series.

That's a fact. That's a fact.
Okay nuggets i fucking love the lakers and nuggets because it's literally the same thing every time lakers come out to a lead lebron has a great first quarter if you look at just the stats you could tell yourself that anthony davis and yokich played to a stalemate. But if you watch the game, Jokic controlled everything.
And the Nuggets, as soon as the Lakers need someone other than Anthony Davis or LeBron James to do something, the Nuggets just kick their ass and they win by 11. And everyone's like, Lakers are so close.
Yeah, well, the first half. But that's what happens in every one of these games.
The first half was really close. And then if you know ball at all, you load up on the Nuggets in the second half because it's not sustainable what they're doing.
The Nuggets, they can just beat you in too many ways. And Jokic is just too smart of a guy to let you do the exact same thing for two halves and get away with it.
It's actually really nice that the Nuggets do this for the discourse because everyone just gets to go out on their shows and be like, Lakers are right there. They're so close.
Which I like. No, I love it, actually, because it allows us to then be very disappointed in LeBron when it doesn't happen.
Yeah, I mean, like— They trick you into thinking that they're good enough to compete and good enough to beat the Nuggets. The Nuggets are just on a completely different level for them.
They played probably like a B, B-minus game and won by a level. And look, we like Nick Wright.
He's a friend of ours, but he does his first quarter. He's like, no one's ever going to see this again with LeBron James.
It's insane what LeBron is doing at 39. He does not have the stamina to do it for four quarters.
You saw it. He scored I think maybe two or four points in garbage time with under a minute left in the fourth quarter.
He runs out of gas. The other guys have to do stuff and they're not able to.
D'Angelo Russell was terrible. And he's got it.
And they just – also, like, the Lakers just stop running plays. When, like, as soon as Jokic starts taking over the game, they're like, all right, let's just go start chucking some threes and hope this works.
And it doesn't work. We just get hot.
We turn into just one half. If we're up by any points or if we're tied at halftime, let's just try to get to second and all we have to do is win one half and anyone can get hot for a half so everyone just keeps shooting it somebody's gonna be hot hopefully that'll work its way out it's it's not gonna work its way out against the nuggets it's it's just i i love i love these two teams playing against each other because just it's it's the same game every single time and it's uh did you see uh i gotta find it jamel hill's tweet from last year has become a meme that people were were uh were using were copying and everyone was like people were confused but she said this she said this last year a win is a win i think it was after game one but if i'm denver i treat this like a loss lakers figured out something by putting hachimura on yokich that's one of those somewhat small adjustments can win a series no it's not No, it's not.
The Nuggets are better than the Lakers. Yeah, Hachimura on Jokic.
That's one of those somewhat small adjustments can win a series. No, it's not.
No, it's not. The Nuggets are better than the Lakers.
Yeah, Hachimura is not – sorry, Hank, he's not the Jokic stopper. You have to keep looking for somebody else.
Because it's not going to be anybody on this Lakers team. I don't know, LeBron and Anthony Davis.
One last run, little magic. You know what I mean? If you look at the box score, you're like, Anthony Davis, he was very good.
And you're like, oh, okay, he went toe for toe. He ended up with 32-14-5.
And Jokic was 32-12-7. So you're like, oh, that's what you got.
Anthony Davis played Jokic to his – but that's just not – if you watch the game, Jokic just controls everything. The game is in the palm of his hands.
The series, frankly, was over when Jokic stepped out of his car wearing the outfit from Despicable Me. Dude.
He was dressed up as Gru before the game. I love him so much.
The fact that he doesn't really do that much advertising, and then he was like, you know what? Yeah, I'm going to be the main advertiser for Despicable Me 4. Yeah, it was great.
It was fucking awesome. It was awesome.
And I actually kind of like his commercial where he's talking about- Oh, it's great. Saving up miles to go to Serbia.
Yeah. Yeah.
But yeah, the Despicable Me promo was awesome. And all the, what do they call them? Minions.
The Minions. I've watched it.
It's actually a very funny movie. Trust me, I've never seen it.
I watched it with my kids and it's a great- They're like massively, massively successful movies. Yeah.
It's a perfect- I've never seen it. I watched it with my kids, and it's a great- They're, like, massively, massively successful movies.
Yeah, it's a perfect- I've never seen it. ...
kids movie because the minions, like, fall, and, like, they bump their heads, and they speak gibberish, so it's, like, a lot of, like- Michael Scott. ...
kids laughs. Yeah, would I be totally lost if I just watched Minions without watching Despicable Me? Wait, no, no.
No, Minions have their own movie.

Oh, okay.

I think I might have watched that.

That was one they were dressed up to.

They have their own right at Universal.

See, I just want to- Minions is the most recent one.

I think there's more?

I think there's multiple Minions.

Which one did I watch?

You might have watched-

Minions was the one everyone dressed up in like tuxedos to.

I think I just watched Minions.

Went to the movies.

I might just hop right in.

Just cold turkey right into Minions without any of the lore or the backstory i watched minions memes is raising his hand yes memes you may talk minions is a prequel to despicable me oh yeah because his minions the one where like they they go they show like the uh history of time with the minions yeah they i saw minions great movie in england and then they meet little guru and they do like a forrest gump minions max pulled up the uh official timeline so there was the original despicable me in 2010 and then there were two minions versions that are prequels but they were filmed out of order filmed well they were released out of order it's based on a true story it's true. The second one.
Wait, wait. So you're implying that there's an entire minion-verse that exists just like the normal universe does, where everything that happens in our life also happens to the minions.
Yeah. So, like, 9-11 happened to the minions.
Yes. No, they went through it all.
Yes. Like JFK.
Yes. A minion JFK.
There were many good minions. Yeah, on all sides.
Larry Nance just scored his eighth point. Turns into Squidward.
I just love this Lakers-Nuggets series. Do you think the Lakers can do it, Hank? I want to believe.
I mean, I'll look really stupid, but I just think the Nuggets are, we do it all the time in sports where a team won a title and then they maybe aren't as dominant the next year and everyone's trying to poke holes. The Nuggets, when they're all healthy and it's those five guys, they're just really fucking good.
Yeah, they're a problem. I'll be just rooting best case or, you know, at the very least, just for some six, seven-game series.
You get tired. Yeah.
Yeah. You're already doing the rest like you want to wear down.
We're two months away from the NBA Finals. Yeah, hopefully it's two months of war.
Yeah, Hank wants Jokic after like three games to be talking about going back to his horses already. Some are saying you're kind of scared because why wouldn't you? No, but if you're so good, why wouldn't you say, hey, we're so good.
We don't care however we get there, whoever we play, however much rest they have, it doesn't matter. We're the best team.
You're already trying to do, you're actually actually on you're one step away from panic button you're trying to do tricks you're doing tricks on it little bro no i'm giving the nuggets the respect they deserve they're low-key glazing them yeah they're they're fucking good yeah they are they're really good and the thing about like we talked about this was mike michael malone excuse me when we interviewed him last last week. But I don't think they've reached the point where anybody really hates the Nuggets, right, on a national level.
No. We're still like, this is beautiful basketball to watch.
Jokic is unhateable. They're fun.
I think they got two more chips in them before they become hateable. I don't even know how you would hate.
Where would you start with Jokic to hate him? The Jokic brothers a little shady. No.
Michael Porter Jr. a little shady.
No. Family a.
a little shady no family a little actually Michael Porter's a great guy shout out Michael Porter Jr. because him having like I would not stand in front of the media and take that question where they were like hey so one of your brothers going to jail and the other one just got to the NBA how you feeling and he answered it like very very well very eloquently he gets my gets my MVP of the weekend.
I think he said, like, I have 12 brothers in this locker room. Yeah.
I think he said 15. He was doing the math in his head, being like, wait, we got G League two-way guys.
Yeah, the trainers. Yeah, no, they're definitely not even close to being hateable.
The only way that Jokic would become hateable is in the Patrick Mahomes vein, where you don't hate him because he's a bad guy. You hate him because he just prevents you from winning championships.
Hank, can I do a true serum Hank segment? I'll also quickly say before, if the Lakers get blown out of the next game, LeBron will not finish the series. Oh, okay.
He'll pull an injury. He did it Saturday night.
I think him and Anthony Davis missed like four layups in a row at the end of the game, and I said it out loud. I was like, LeBron's going to – this is fake injury territory.
And the next play, he fell, held his arm, and was on the ground doing the thing where he was looking around to see if people bought how injured he was acting and then got up. It was fine.
All right, true serum hank you have to answer this as truthfully as you can how many injuries you're rooting for none none i don't want to win like that that's it can't be zero no i don't i don't want to you can't you can't put that into the world you truly can't you basically were just saying that you wanted m, I was pointing out that he's... That's like saying the sun will rise.
Yeah, no, I don't want Embiid to get hurt. I can just look at data and history and acknowledge that he is made of glass.
The stats and the fact every playoff series he's out of gas, hurt, whatever it may be. Bring up those stats.
Yeah, Hank. All right, Hank, Wednesday.
Give us a report. Wednesday he'll give us a report.
The playoff injury stats. Just to put a little above.
What about just when he was out of shape? You said injury. Out of shape isn't class.
Mental injury. To put a bow on what Hank said earlier regarding the NHL, the Maple Leafs-Bruins.
Max sent this over. This is a very funny stat.
So in the postseason, the Maple Leafs and the Bruins, Toronto has won 40 games. Boston has won 42.
So Boston just barely edges the Leafs out. They're tied with eight series wins each.
And then at the bottom of the screen, you look at it, the last time the Maple Leafs beat the Bruins in a series was 1959. Wow.
So domination. Domination.

Spanking.

Yes.

Spanking.

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Term download the game time app last minute tickets the lowest price guaranteed okay uh sunday sunday sunday sunday celtics heat apologies the uh well mr pear and the bulls choked on friday night can i uh since we didn't have a show after Friday night, permission to just see red for a minute here? Yep. Real quick minute.
The Chicago Bulls are a joke of an organization. Jerry Reinsdorf is one of the worst owners, if not the worst, in the NBA.
He's a fucking clown. And I need people to understand because what happens with a franchise like the Bulls because they have the history of Michael Jordan and the six titles and they you know had Derek Rose who that was a just to remind you is a 1.7 percent chance to win that lottery was the the second longest odds ever I think the Shaq lottery was was the longest for the Magic.
So they had Michael Jordan, and other than that, they like to sell on nostalgia and nothing else and not put out a competent, competitive basketball team. I have some stats for you because I want people to realize that Jerry Reinsdorf is so, so bad.
And because of the history of the Bulls, you think that organization isn't that bad. But they are that bad.
And they are that pathetic. And Jerry Reinsdorf should be put on blast all the time on a national media basis everywhere.
Because he's a joke. So, in a league where more than half the teams make the playoffs, that's not even counting the play-in.
I'm saying it's more than half the teams make the playoffs

because I think it was 30 teams and 16 teams make the playoffs.

The Chicago Bulls have made the playoffs two times in the last nine seasons.

Two times.

They're back-to-back 9-10 game champions, and that's it.

So they've made the playoffs two times in the last nine seasons.

Since 2014-15, which was the last Tibbs, Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler year, they have won three total playoff games. Three playoff games.
They have more playoff wins in the last nine years than just two franchises in the NBA, the Magic and the Pistons. They have more playoff appearances in the last nine years than just two franchise, the Kings and the Hornets.
If you told someone Kings, Hornets, I know the Kings have turned around the last two years, but Kings, Hornets, Magic, Pistons, people don't put the Bulls in that group. The Bulls are in that group.
They should actually be very much in that group. They're a fucking joke.
I went through it. If you took out the two Boylan years, which were, Jim Boylan was one of the worst coaches ever.
The Bulls were not trying. The last 12 seasons since Derrick Rose got hurt, the Bulls are averaging how many wins a year? 35.
41, which is by design. That's exactly what they want.
Here's a quote from Jerry Reinsdorf. You ready for this? Sports is a business of failure, but the fact that you finished second or third or fourth, it doesn't mean you had a bad year.
I think the important thing to fans is, well, they want you to win championships. They want you to know that when they get down to the last month of the season, you still have a shot.
You're still playing meaningful games. If you can do that consistently, you'll make your fans happy.
This is all by design. Define meaningful.
Yes. It means get into the playoffs.
You think the plan that qualifies, that checks the box off for him as being a meaningful because it's essentially you're playing a mini playoff series he does not care about winning titles he cares about winning 41 games having some games down the stretch where people can tune in and be like will the bulls make the playoffs and the reason why he does that is because nine out of the last 10 years not counting the covid the two covid years the chicago bulls have led the NBA in attendance. He does not give a fuck.
He wants to build a team to never go over the luxury tax. The Bulls are the only team in the NBA who have not made a single move at the trade deadline in the last three years.
That's the whole design. The whole design is to put out a team that is exceedingly mediocre to get people into the stands and to never actually try to win a championship he's focusing all of his energy on the white socks and building them up but he's a joke i just want to i want people to realize because it does trick you when you think of the bulls and you think of mj they are no different than the pistons than the than the magic who are in the playoffs who've actually built it and actually teams, the Pistons, the Magic, the Hornets, the Kings, they've actually at least been bad enough for stretches where they get top three picks.
The Bulls' only chance of getting a top three pick is getting a 1.7 lottery shot where they get Derrick Rose and then they blame his injury on the next 10 years. And they are a joke of an organization.
Jerry Reinsdorf is the worst owner.'s a piece of shit he does not care about winning he just wants to take your money have you sit in there and be like oh they won 41 games maybe they have a shot fans are smarter than that now they never had a shot there was a joke would happen against the heat they would have gotten killed by the Celtics it doesn't matter they suck Jerry Reinsdorf you, dude. That's what I respect about European soccer fans is when the owners fuck with them like this.
Yeah. They like riot.
They'll show up with flares. They'll like throw eggs at the guy's car on the street.
In America, we're just like, yeah, this sucks. He's literally admitting that he does not care.
He just wants to sell tickets and be just good enough to be average. To a certain extent for him, like playoff series kind of get in the way of his jet-setting lifestyle.
Yeah. I'd rather not work.
Friday night I was talking with a bunch of friends like, okay, I want them to win because I like some of these guys on the team. But also Jerry Reinsdorf wants nothing more than to have two more ticket gates for playoff games that he has no chance of winning that series.
Like that's a for him so all right that was my c red uh celtics heat sorry hey you know what sucks too is like the fact that they sometimes occasionally will win a play-in game right everybody gets like a momentary like they get gassed up by that right and they're like that was a really fun night of basketball i can't believe that that kobe white did that that was so much fun. It's fun to be a Bulls fan.
And you get this temporary fix. It's like a little tiny hit.
But then if you step back and you look at what that game was. It was nothing.
It was the most inconsequential. The stats don't even count.
That stat will never show up in NBA history. It was nothing.
It was a fun night. You might have had fun watching the Bulls for that one night, but at the same time, it's like a Band-Aid that's on a grenade wound.

Yeah, it's nothing.

And they're going to do – they're probably going to –

here's what they're going to do.

They're going to probably re-sign DeMar DeRozan,

who I like DeMar DeRozan, great guy, great player, 34 years old,

whose game doesn't fit in the modern NBA.

They're going to re-sign DeMar DeRozan and then be like,

Lonzo Ball will fix everything even though he hasn't played basketball

in two and a half years.

He'll be okay.

That's what's going to happen.

Made out of glass.

Fix his shot.

And then guess what they're going to do?

Thank you. Re-sign DeMar DeRozan and then be like, Lonzo Ball will fix everything even though he hasn't played basketball in two and a half years.
He'll be okay. That's what's going to happen.
Made out of glass. Fix his shot.
And then guess what they're going to do? They're going to win 38 games and lose in the playing game. And it's going to be like, and it's just, it is actually the worst place you can be as a franchise, what Jerry Reinsdorf has built.
Where it's like, you're never actually competing and you're also never tanking to the point where you can rebuild your roster. Yeah, you want to have a plan.
Well, his plan is he's working his plan perfectly. But his plan doesn't make sense, is the thing.
If you have a crummy team, you want to be the worst. You want to be like with the Wizards.
For me, that's why I always call them the most inconsequential team in professional sports because for the longest time they didn't they were never relevant to a really a playoff conversation at all but they were also never really irrelevant enough to get that top pick like what you're describing now we all it takes is just sign Jordan Poole for a season yeah and then next thing you know you're in the lottery and guess what the Wizards I'm gonna try to find where I found all the stats the wizards have won more series yeah because we had been to the playoffs more times john wall we had paul pierce that was that was a fun team then that's what that's the whole point of this rant is that i want people to stop thinking of the bulls and maybe people already do but i think if you ask like 100 people like the bulls they'd be like oh they're not a bad franchise no they are yeah they're a bad franchise uh Hank Celtics sorry they're so much better than the Heat seeing green you don't have to worry about this series at all yeah unless they try and take out our best players what yeah oh is that that they call the hit in got it that's why I was talking about the injury got it that's why you said you said you're rooting for zero injuries. Got it.
Correct. Got it.
Okay. Yeah, yeah.
Now it makes sense. The Celtics were up 16 with like a minute and a half left.
Heat called timeout. Kind of weird move.
And then like a play or two later, Caleb Martin came in super low on Tatum getting a rebound. Scared you? Yeah.
It was a scary fall. Yeah.
And then it was Jalen that got in his face, right? But yeah, weird, weird timing with the timeout. Kind of a weird-looking play.
Appropriate response by the Celtics? Yeah. You need enough guys to get in.
Missoula and Missoula after they asked him about it, and he was like, I was loving it. Yeah.
Oh, he said that. He was like, yeah.
Fucking Missoula. If you didn't listen to our interview with mizzou on friday go back and listen to it because he is the man i was excited for him to choke me out yeah please put that on a quote card yeah and but don't say who he's talking about that man to choke me up that was that was one of those interviews where there were so many crazy things that he said that i absolutely loved that people didn't know what crazy thing to write an entire article about right yeah we had a bunch of articles written where it's just and this and this the revolving door yeah but um but to hank's point on that play jake is this heat culture where you're sending in goons to try to tabletop somebody and get a neck injury sounds like well if it was intentional disavow.
But if it wasn't intentional, then they're just pointing the finger for no reason. There's no proof.
What did you think when you saw the play? Looked like a basketball play. Oh.
He was looking at the hoop, looking for the rebound. And Jason's like leg gooch? His leg armpit? Drew Holiday may have pushed him into him.
That's what other people were saying, too. Hank, is it weird that you spent the whole season, or at least the last two months of the season, being like, get us to the playoffs, because we already clinched the number one seed.
We're the best team in the NBA. Like, this is all fodder, and now you're in the playoffs, and it feels like it's the same thing, where it's like get you to the conference finals because like the Heat are just not – I mean, I don't know if they could – if they would win this series with Jimmy Butler, but without Jimmy Butler, they just do not have the offense.
No. Yeah, I mean, again, I'm definitely thinking ahead.
It does feel, you know, brings me back to the old Patriots days, not here anymore, but it is, for a serious formality, even if you lose in the conference finals, that's a failure of a season. Just get me to the big one.
You can't say Patriots when you haven't won yet. No, I'm saying it, Max.
It feels like how it felt as a Patriots fan when every year they're the best team in the regular season and you're not thinking about the Super Bowl. You're looking at the other conference, thinking about Super Bowl matchups.
You just bypass the Eastern Conference. I think that's completely fair, given the road that the Celtics will have to go through.
You should just want to get through this. I would actually say, what do you think the over-under is for Celtics losses before the NBA Finals? Six and a half? Seven and a half? They'll have some wonky losses.
I would hammer that on. I would hammer that on.
Five and a half? No. Before the Finals? Bucks might give them a couple games.
Yeah, through the Finals? All the Eastern Conference. I'd set it at four and a half.
Four and a half.

Because I don't think they're going to lose a game here.

Maybe say one.

I don't think they would lose more than one to the Cavs or the Magic.

I think the number is five and a half.

But if they lose, I think they'll lose maybe one here,

one in the second round,

and then they would just have to win in six in the Eastern Conference Final.

That would be four.

I think they're going to lose one. They might lose two next round.
I don't know. I don't think so.
It's going to be easy for them. Should be.
My point is you're actually right to think this way. I know.
Yeah. But then all you have to worry about is certainly hope that no one else gets injured on the Western side.
Yeah. No, we need fucking LeBron and AD, two top five players in the world.
He just wants them so bad. Greatest player of all time.
I know it's not going to happen, but I would love to have the Lakers. I will wear a LeBron Lakers jersey on this show for a week.
Chet Holmgren with just an all-time block there in a big moment. We're watching the end of this game while it's going on.
We'll talk about it in a second. Hank, so to go back to my question, you are like this is kind of – like I know know you're getting up for these games, but you're also just it's just like get to the next round.
And don't get hurt. You're watching these games like you know, I was ready for them to pull them.
When they got up 30 the heat came back a little bit, but seeing a fall like that with a minute left in a meaningless game is terrifying. SGA just hit an incredible shot there yeah that was actually like a um a 30 second 30 seconds of like the thunder's future flashing before our eyes and it looks fucking awesome yeah chet homerun with an enormous block and then sga with an awesome man one seem to beat the nuggets yeah he's already doing the he was uh h Hank was like, Chet Holmer can lock down Jokic.
He needs to gain probably 60 pounds. No one can lock down Jokic.
That's the thing about Jokic. Stretch him out.
But if you say Jokic, you can't score, he's going to be like, okay, I'll have 25 assists. And they'll be like, Jokic, you can score.
He's like, okay, then I'll score 30 points. He's a problem.
He's a problem. Okay, so good job.
Good win. Thanks.
Yeah, not worried about this series. No.
Next game Wednesday, that's the worst. And then they have three games in four days.
I've never seen a back-to-back in the NBA playoffs. Have you? That's crazy.
Yeah, I think they've been doing that recently. There's like arena shit.
Yeah. Sorry that the Bulls suck because I know you wanted to go to – I would have gone to that game with you on Saturday.
Yeah. And you would have spanked me.
Choked out. We would have gotten choked out by Joe Mazzulla.
Okay. Mavs, Clippers.
I got bamboozled. By the Mavs? Yeah, I mean Kawhi out.
Yeah. You know what I forgot is better without Kawhi? Well, you know what I forgot, and we need to just remind ourselves this.
James Harden, I went through it. I didn't add up all the stats, but if you look at it, just perusing it.
James Harden, when he has rest, basically every game one he's awesome. And he was awesome.
He just has a lot of rest. He feels awesome.
He scores a lot of points. He's awesome.
And then game two happens two days later, and he's tired. And Paul George back on his bully shit.
Yeah. Yeah, the Clippers look good.
Steve Ballmer was having a great time. Yeah.
Just fucking pumped for everything. He was.
And we even had the fake Dallas comeback that made it look a little bit close for a minute there. Luka got his points.
He got everything. But yeah yeah.
Luka did get his points. Well, that's the thing.
The comeback, yeah, where it was – they scored like – what did they score, 40 points in the first half? They were so, so bad. Eight in the second quarter.
Eight in the second quarter, yeah. Oh, yeah, 30 points.
Sorry, 30 points in the first half. That's almost impossible to do if you're not the Cavs or the Magic.
So I don't grind the film like you guys do, but it occurs to me when I'm watching Luka when he's playing from a deficit, when his team's not leading, he seems to take a hell of a lot of time off the shot clock. Yeah.
Well, he's got to dribble. He has to dribble, yeah.
He's got to dribble. And they were kind of screwed, too, when Daniel Gafford got it, even though he's not.
Daniel Gafford's one of those guys, he's good, but when you're like, we need Daniel Gafford to be awesome all the time, there might be a flaw. He is good, but it might be a flaw.
Yeah. I got hooked by the Mavs.
I did. I bought it.
I'm an idiot. I feel stupid.
I think the Clippers are underdogs again in game two. And I like the Clippers again.
I like the Clippers in the series. I don't know.
I'm dumb for thinking that a team that's led by James Harden can do some damage in the playoffs. Game ones.
But I kind of do. Game ones.
He can do it. But even if it's later on in the series.
Defensive matchup. If Kawhi's back, you get Paul George cooking, I don't know.
I feel like this Clippers team could do something. Me too.
Game 1s. From Houston, James Harden on.
20, 27, 24. This is Mike Francesa bit.
20, 28, 17. So nothing great.
Here we go. 37, 20, 44, 41, 41.

Guy likes rest.

29, 35, 37, 36.

Did he do it last year?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Guy likes rest.

When he gets his rest, yeah, he scored 45 in game one against the Celtics.

And then he did have one other big game, but all the other games he was under 20 points. Didn't he have single digits for one game? Yeah, he had nine in game seven.
Yeah. Yeah.
The guy likes rest. So just remember, James Harden, when he has rest, bet him.
If they take care of business and get the Mavericks, he'll have a bunch of time to rest before the next round. Yeah.
All right. Dame time.
Dame time in Milwaukee. That was awesome.
He was on fire. He went off in the first half.
He had 19 points in the first quarter. He was incredible, and then it just felt like he finished with only 35.
I say only 35, but he scored 19 in the first quarter. 19 of their 30.
It was just too late for the Pacers. They made like a little run, and it was just not enough they got to like within 10 or something yeah down the stretch and but the game never really felt close and if johns comes back janice back that would concern that's the only way that i could see the celtics losing seven games is janice would be yeah he i mean if he's fully healthy he's still he still would be the best player in a series against Celtics Celtics would have the next like four best players but Giannis would be the best player yeah that's that's the only issue for for the C's Hank but yeah the Bucks this feels like it's gonna be an easy series for him yeah again overreaction sweep sweep by the Bucks belt to ass is Giannis coming back? Who comes back first, Giannis or Kawhi? I feel like Kawhi plays like every other day.
It depends on how he feels like getting out of bed that morning. The Clippers said they're like, yeah, we knew he was out for like the last week.
Yeah. So they were prepared for it.
But yeah. If there's like bad weather, his knee swells up.
He's like, can't go. I'm going to say Giannis.
I'm going to say Giannis comes back before Kawhi. I don't know.
I feel like. Always mysterious what happens to Kawhi, but he's just always out.
They're like, all right, he's out. It would be very, very frustrating if that was your favorite team.
If you're a diehard Clippers fan and having a guy that's so good like Kawhi that just sometimes decides like, no,, I'm not going to do it today. But calling for the win.
No. Thundertake game one.
Thundertake game one. So we can talk about that game.
It was a rock fight to start the game. But the fact that we got to see that Chet Holmgren, SGA at the end, these's young Thunder.
Watch out. Yeah.
They might just be too young to know they're not supposed to be this good. It does suck so bad that Zion's out because the Pelicans are like a weird matchup for a lot of teams with their size, and it's just so frustrating to have him out of this series.
I want to see him play in the playoffs. Do people like watching C.J.
McCollum play? Because I do. Yeah.
But I feel like... Has he Hayes? I feel like I see a lot of discourse about him being a super boring superstar.
I don't know if he's a superstar. A super boring star.
Yeah. Giannis will definitely be back first.
Yeah? What are you reading? Giannis is supposed to be back later in the series. Kawhi hasn't participated in contact practice or played since March 31st.
Okay. So, yeah.
That's going to be Giannis for sure. That's 100% Giannis.
I like the Thunder. They're fun.
And that stadium actually is pretty awesome when it gets bumping. Yeah, they care.
Yeah. They do.
I do think they lead the league in amount of fans that wear the T-shirt giveaways. Yeah.
They are number one in the nba you see a lot of guys in the crowd wearing a dress shirt like a dress shirt with the t-shirt that they just got over top of that dress yeah it's not even a question when they get that free t-shirt it's on yeah you don't have to get dressed up to go look there's like seven of them yeah it's crazy they're just all they all just fall in line they're like free t-shirt we got to wear we got to wear it. I respect that.
I respect it too. It's a good basketball town.
Yeah. Seattle people are going to be mad.
Well, you know, the reason why they got the team was because during Katrina, the Hornets at the time played there and David Stern was like, holy shit, this city actually cares about basketball. Yeah.
They're first on my list. Well, and also because they bought.
Howard Schultz fucked that up so bad and sold the team to guys that were all from Oklahoma. And they're like, oh, yeah, we do want to move.
Weird. Seattle should have a team.
Yeah. Seattle should have a team.
Okay. You want to talk some hockey? Hank punished the Maple Leafs.
Yep. Punished them.
Looking to take the all-time lead in that series. Love the jerseys.
Feel like I haven't seen those in the playoffs. Some good hockey analysis.
I like this. Well, yeah, he turned the game on.
You're like, all right, let's, you know. Talking puck.
Beast time. And I was like, ooh, these are new.
They probably worn them all year, but for me, they were new. Yeah, they're new.
They were sick. Who's the key to this series, Hank? Swayman.
Swayman. Got to be a hot goalie if you're going to win a cup.
Would you say Bergeron was kind of a no-show? He was a no-show. Yeah, you know.
You're not. It's Marsh's team.
He's handing out pucks after the game. How are you guys going to stop Austin Matthews? They got a lot of chances.

Put on the Bruins jersey and watch them put on the Maple Leafs jersey.

Swimming.

I already answered that.

Okay.

Memes, can we talk about your game real quick?

Because you lost the Hurricanes.

But I thought the Islanders were –

it wasn't a game where I was like,

oh, the Islanders have no chance in this series.

Yeah, no. This was definitely the game they should have stole.
Did you watch a game? I watched the second and third period. So I guess I missed the time when they were tied.
Yeah, it was 1-1 pretty much the entire game. Or when the Islanders scored, because the Islanders scored in the first.
Islanders scored in the first. Yeah, I didn't see an Islanders goal.
It was like that the entire time. And then probably during the second period when nobody was scoring, I was like, oh, fuck, we're in for a battle just like last year.
It's going to be the exact same series. I'm sorry.
So you're going to lose? I don't want to say. Yeah, okay.
You're not optimistic about the odds. Sounds good.
Well, it's going to be a battle. We've got to bounce back game two.
Anything can happen. It's hockey.
Anything can happen, but I think game one was the game we could have stole. We had a lot more opportunities.
The refs kind of fucked us right off the bat. Yeah, I like that.
Game one. Diving into it.
Yeah, no, you're right. You're right.
They did. The refs fucked you that quick? They hate the Islanders.
That quick? Well, it was a flop. Instant flop.
They go right to the power play score in 14 seconds. Oh, man.
That's tough. PFT, your caps? Yeah, I've got a couple keys to turning this around for the cap.
Okay, let's go. All right, so the caps lose 4-1.
That's what the official stats say. But if you take out like three minutes in the second period, we actually tied this game 1-1.
Okay. If you don't count those, and also we were pressing at the end to try to score, they probably wouldn't have scored that one either.
If you take out that 10 seconds and the two and a half minutes in the second period, the Caps actually won this game 1-0 in a series where nobody thought that we could come within three goals of beating the Rangers. And it turns out that we technically kind of actually won that game.

So would the key to the game be allow the Capitals to eliminate any three minutes of

their choosing?

Yeah, retroactively.

I'll say it ahead of time.

But after the game, I predict that if you give me those parameters, the Capitals might

even sweep the Rangers.

Okay.

So we'll track that going forward that as long as PFT can eliminate three minutes of every game, you're going to win. I'm going to win.
Maybe not a sweep, but I think we'll get it done in five. Okay.
And my two keys to turning this around, actually I have three. One, start a fight.
Yep. Whenever you're very clearly the less talented team, just try to get another skin.
Send Tom Wilson out there to try to wreck the franchise for the second time in four years. Although they do have...
Rimpy scares me. I don't think that Tom could take him, but it would be a good fight.
I'd like to see it. Either get into a fight, that's key number one.
Key number two is try not at any point in the game to allow your team to get outshot with 20 straight shots. Yes.
So try to limit the New York Rangers from, I'd put it at like 18, 18 or fewer shots in a row for them before we get one shot on that. That would be a good one.
And then my other key is. We should make that a rule too yeah anything anytime the rangers have

more than 10 consecutive shots anything after that doesn't count correct yeah although i mean i i don't want to say it won't happen but i i don't think that they'll ever have a time in this series where they get 20 consecutive shots on that because that's crazy well not under our new not under our new rules yeah right 10 is the max we're fixing the game of hockey and then my my The third key to turning this series around is that ovechkin should have at least one shot on goal okay that's a good idea that's a buddy healed yeah he'll do no vet so if ovi can get one shot at least on goal i think that's going to go a long way to turning this around but yeah that was after after the first like 10 minutes i i knew that we're not as good as the Rangers. But again, it's hockey.
Anything can happen. Anything can happen.
I was already telling myself like, well, they're not used to seeing a left-handed goalie. Yep.
You actually texted us that. Yeah.
I'll bet on the Capitals to have your back. Chucky was catching a lot of pucks out there with his right hand.
They're not used're trying to go gloves or they're trying to go stick side there's a big fat glove there they're not used to that they figure that out they figure that out after the first period i should have known we were in trouble because i went i took my son to the cubs game when you sent that text being like never seen a left-handed goalie they haven't known that was a problem they haven't they haven't seen it too much this year and it takes it takes some. They were firing a lot of pucks right into that big fat glove.
But, yeah, listen, I'm happy to be in the playoffs. I'm happy to have some meaningful games to root for, and anything could happen.
Hockey's a weird sport. But if it goes any way at all similarly to how it went tonight, it's going to be a very short series.
Yeah, okay. But with the new rules, we'll monitor them.
Yeah, yeah. Caps are up 1-0.
Yeah. Okay.
Nice. And then the Avs Jets win my game of the first games.
I'm going to give that my period of the week. Yeah.
Period of the week. The first period goes to the first period of this game.
And no, the third period too. The third period, yeah, the third period was good.
The third period might have, you sure you want to give it to the first period? It's tough. Yeah, yeah, I do.
I want to give it to the first period. Also remember we have in the running when the Islanders got screwed.
Yeah, as the nominee for period of the week. So I like the first period in this game better than the third because the third didn't really get cooking until the last 30 seconds.
Yeah. Okay, so we'll do period of the week for the rest of the playoffs.
So our official, memes, can you make this graphic? Official period of the week to close this week was the first period of the Avs-Jets game. Yep.
I like that. I feel good about that.
Yeah, that's a good one. So we'll be monitoring period of the week starting Monday.
And you know what? If you don't like our period of the week, make your own. Yeah.
I have my own entry. Oh.
The second period of the NYPDF, the NY Heroes hockey game. There was a brawl.
Okay. Okay.
That's all I think. Now you're making me feel like I'm not supporting heroes.
Just saying. Yeah, Yeah.
But that avid jets first period was awesome. I'm going to give the heroes period of the week.
Yep. Goes to the second period in the heroes game.
Yeah. Fair enough.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
We will have biz and wit on probably next week after draft. Yeah.
Have them on to talk some hockey in depth. We don't know what we're talking about, but that's fine.
I think we covered it. We don't know what we're talking about with anything.
We covered it pretty good. These are my favorite when we get to this.
Also the Panthers one. Yeah, the Panthers did win.
Yeah. The thing about hockey fans, though, if you're a die hard puck boy, you're probably also listening to Spitting Chicklets or a podcast that will make you smarter and know what they're talking about when it comes to hockey listen they know they're not going to get that from us people know we're the we're more football guys than anything else we do love all the sports uh we'll talk about all the sports this is the time of year where people will just like we probably have said i don't know 10 things that have been wrong some magic fan will will hit me up and be like dude you're so off i'm like you know what you're right yeah i am hand hand up i'm i'm definitely a hockey casual i'm coming out as a hockey casual you are right you are right i am wrong but yeah i thought that was a good recap of the weekend um all right should we do who's back of the week we have more to talk about from the weekend some good stories some good who's backs the week uh who's back of the week's brought to you friends at Coors Light.
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My who's back of the week is Tupac. Oh.
Yeah, he is. So in the update of the Drake, Kendrick Lamar, J.
Cole wrap beef, which I'm sure you guys have been very locked in on. Actually, I have have not i don't like how you said that i think it was directed more to me no i don't think so he said you guys well i forgot you do the podcast with arian so he tells what does that mean well the king vaughn thing last why huh i i'm talking about king why would you say that arian would be able to teach me about rap? Because when you brought up King Vaughn and I was shocked about that, it turned out that that was because Arian was talking about King Vaughn.
No, he wasn't. That's what people were telling me.
No, that's not true. You guys didn't talk about King Vaughn and Makaradosa? Like maybe two years ago, three years ago.
Who brought him up? I don't know. I don't recall.
But no, that's just it. that's what i was what is it specifically about arian that so did make you think have you guys talked about this rat beef on macronosing yes so that's what i'm talking okay all right so but i i understand look at me when you say that we don't know because i don't know big cat doesn't even know a black guy nope you can just hear him yeah uh-oh big cat knows too now anyway where were we kendrick lamar allegedly there was a leaked song that was kendrick lamar a diss track of drake wasn't great people kind of shat on it and then it they went like quiet and the rumor was that people were saying oh it was ai it wasn't really a diss track drake basically seems to think that it was actually kendrick lamar so in retaliation he wrote a diss track and then got ai tupac and snoop dog to sing it so it's a drake diss track but it's like tupac's voice dissing kendrick lamar and then snoop dog's voice dissing kendrick lamar that's kind of cool yeah i i don't think it was that cool because it was cool and it was a good snoop dog's still alive wait so wait hold on you say it was cool you say it wasn't that cool which one is it because i'm the only one who doesn't know what's going on i i don't think it was cool i think you know what it is a counterpoint.
It was basically like calling Kendrick Lamar out for trying to use AI as an excuse when it wasn't. So he used AI.
He basically just like used AI to his advantage. And he kind of did the Eminem like Marshall Mathers.
Like he dissed himself via Tupac. The streets are saying that it's corny.
The streets are saying that Drake is corny for this. That's kind of cool what he said, though.
And that all the Drake meat riders out there are just sucking it down, and they're corny, too. Max, deciding vote.
Cool, cool. Oh, shit.
That was cool. Yeah, I mean, I don't know anything about that.
It was funny. Very cool.
Now very cool. Okay.
No, you can't take Tupac's voice. Now, it would be cool if Tupac was still actually alive and drake's the only guy that knows that would be and then he's like this is ai tupac and then everybody out there was like you know drake you're corny but then the back of his head he's like yeah but i know i'm the only one that knows that that was real i'd respect that i thought it was cool uh but two bucks back okay put up a poll cool or not we'll just tune into MacDose.
I'm sure you guys will talk about it, and we'll find out once and for all. Okay.
I'm going to go with cool. My who's back of the week being fat and winning.
Oh. Fat winners.
We're going to talk about the boxing a little bit. Oh, awesome.
It was incredible because before the fight they had to weigh in at uh 140 pounds or less 140 pounds right and then ryan garcia said that he would pay he weighed in at 143 pounds correct which is really overweight for very much that's incredibly overweight like he did not give a fuck and then he told haney that he would pay him 500 thousand dollars a pound yes over what he weighed in at so he while his dad was like don't do this yeah and so he ended up paying him 1.5 million to get into the ring they couldn't be for a title belt right because he was overweight he was so fat and he still has the title and so then he just proceeded to beat the shit out of him for was it 12 12 rounds? 10 rounds? 12 rounds. 12 rounds.
And it was not particularly close. And no one thought that Garcia had a chance.
I would count myself in with that group of people that thought he actually was insane. Yeah, he was like plus 600.
He was acting very crazy. Turns out he just sold an awesome fight because I watched every second of it.
And it was a lot of clinching. Also, the ref essentially saved Devin Haney because I think the ref was worried that Ryan Garcia was going to do something crazy.
I think it was round seven where he knocked him down and the ref basically was just like almost picking up Devin Haney being like, you're good. But Garcia was awesome, and he might be the new face of boxing because he's like the perfect amount of crazy, fun to watch, was throwing bombs, and, yeah, he's something else.
He is something else. I actually go back and I look at all the weird stuff he's done the last couple months, and now I don't know how much of it was an act and how much was like he really being crazy.
That's why he's the perfect boxer. And he won on 420, which is great for him because he was smoking the last couple months and now i don't know how much of it was an act and how much was like right really that's why he's the perfect boxer and he won on 420 which is great for him because he was smoking the biggest blunt that i've ever seen after yeah he might have just been like the most high individual for the last two months yeah and just allowed himself to have like a schizophrenic break just from smoking too much pot we also had after the fight one of my favorite like encounters i've seen in a long

time eddie hearns our friend who's been on this show and ryan garcia's dad hearn hearn hearns uh thanks hank good friend uh good friend eddie hearns uh and ryan garcia's dad i think i had memes pull up the video did you guys see this yeah it was so good for people who don't see it we can put this in.

It is in the tunnel after the fight.

Big respect to Ryan Garcia. He was amazing.
Well done. Well done.
Oh really? Fuck you. Fuck you.
Fuck you. You know you're a piece of shit.
And that's what you get. Now what are you going to say? Luke Campbell.
Luke Campbell. And fucking Devin Haney.
Fuck you. Now who you got? Who you got? Geron Ennis.
Who? Geron Ennis. How about Pip Boone? You know he's good.
Geron Ennis is good. Respect.
It's a good performance. It's all right.
I know you're a man. Man, I'm sorry.
That is his fault. When you win, I'll give you all the respect in the world.
Okay. Give Ryan the respect.
I just told him. You did? Absolutely.
Thanks. I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I was sorry.
I respect you. That was so good because it was just, it was like the perfect male exchange where we went from fuck you, you're a piece of shit, grabbing the balls to I'm sorry in 20 seconds.
And respect to Garcia's dad for just being a good dad yeah it's like okay you don't like my son well you're an enemy for life actually you seem like a cool guy okay now you like my son now we're both now we're boys and respect to eddie hearn for not backing down yeah like no fuck you you're a piece of shit but yeah it was an awesome fight like i it was it was a very very fun and, and Ryan Garcia is like that perfect amount of crazy that makes boxing fun. And thank God he won because there was – because Devin Haney in the first, like, six – Ryan Garcia came out and was, like, going crazy in the first round.
Then for the next five rounds, Devin Haney did win those rounds. But then Garcia knocked him down three times.
Yeah, and one of them – he got points taken away too. He got points taken away because he did punch him after they were broken up.
Kind of, kind of, yeah. Well, he did punch him.
He didn't get warned. You could say he didn't get warned, which is fair, but he did punch him.
He was doing a lot of holding too, holding on for dear life. He did not get penalized for anything.
But what concerns me is that Garcia was so fucking crazy going up to this fight, and worked it worked out perfectly for him what's he going to do in the next fight? how's he going to get crazier? he had that press conference on Thursday where he started it with saying all love to Jesus I love Jesus and ended it with suck my dick Devin Haney didn't he say he broke into Bohemian Grove had like I forget all the stuff he was saying going he also said after the after the fight like yeah my prep for this fight was just drinking every day yeah no he posted a meme that says it's Devin Haney wakes up at 4 30 a.m. every morning to train no drugs or alcohol listens to his trainer diet sparring trains five times a day runs eight miles every day Ryan Garcia alcohol, alcohol.
Thank you, Jesus. Yeah.
Obviously, he's a lot better than that. He's a really good boxer.
No, he said in the press conference, yeah, I drink every day. I know it's probably nothing to brag about, but I like to drink, and so that's what I did to train for this fight.
Yeah, although then after, he drank a beer during the weigh-in, which people were like, oh, of course, they do the weigh-in before they do like the press conference weigh-in but he was saying afterwards that it was just uh it was just apple juice i like that who knows what's real no one knows no one knows i don't know what's a mark like am i a mark yeah i think i'm a mark it was a fun weekend that was a fun it was a fun ryan garcia very fun fight uh okay I have two who's backs of the week, both baseball related.

First one is terrible gifts because John Sterling retired from the Yankees, done what was like

45 years or something as the voice of the Yankees.

The Yankees got him an 83 inch TV from Best Buy.

And then the ceremony.

The picture was so funny.

The ceremony of gifting him this TV was hilarious too because they took it so serious so seriously do they think he didn't have a tv you might not no i think actually i read an article he has five tvs and they're all small no i don't know if they're all small yeah listen i would not turn away a tv if somebody wanted to give me an 83 inch tv i'd be okay with it uh but cost nothing now though they're like 400 bucks those are tough to move to yeah do you think they got the warranty they better have gotten the warranty oh he's not going to be able to set that thing up no one ever gets a warranty I hope the Yankees at least sprung for the warranty it's gonna have motion smoothing on it he's gonna not be able to watch it he's gonna have like four different remotes and he's not gonna remember which one goes to which TV oh this is the new tv with the new remote that's not programmed correctly yet that's gonna be a nightmare for an old guy his sons are gonna help him out they're awls okay okay cool all right so they're get them so if they're listening i have to get john sterling geek squad yeah i'd like to have john sterling on the show yeah the um the 83 inch tv though the picture of that 45 years here's a tv thank you for your service appreciate it yeah people were like, well, the picture of that. 45 years.
Here's a TV. Thank you for your service.
Appreciate it. Yeah.
People were like, well, the Yankees only had a few days to figure out a gift. You couldn't think of anything other than a TV? Also, his schedule dwindled down this year.
Yeah. Do you think somebody in the Yankees' front office had just purchased that TV? Yeah.
And they're like, oh, we have a ceremony. Fuck, what are we going to get them? Oh, I've got a TV in my car.
Yeah, that was definitely sitting in the AV room in the locker room where they're like, well, we have an extra just in case someone takes a bat to a TV. Let's give them this.
And no one can fit it in their car. Yeah, right.
It's the worst gift you could give someone. Spin Zone, they're saving the money for Juan Soto's next contract.
83-inch TV? Yeah, they are like nothing now. Like, this was a great gift 20 years ago.
It's crazy. Like, holy shit, he got an 83-inch TV? Like, inflation sucks.
Everything is getting way more expensive, except TVs. TVs.
TVs are like half as expensive as they used to be 10 years ago. Do you remember like the first nice TV that you got? It was like, we have to be so careful.
Now it's like TVs are nothing. They're giving them away.
All you have to do is quit your job and you get a TV. Let's see.
83-inch TV. Best Buy.
Remember when there wasn't HD? HD was a big deal. I did this last year.
I went to Best Buy, and I was getting a TV, and I had a massive wall that I wasn't

trying to put anything else on.

So I was like, I'm going to have a big TV.

I was thinking 70-inch, and it was maybe like 80 bucks more for 83-inch.

And I was like, oh, sure.

Let me get the 83-inch.

Like, fuck it.

I hope they got them the top of the line.

And then I couldn't put it in my car.

They did.

I hope it was top of the line.

It did.

Because when you get an 83-inch TV, if it's not super high quality, at that level, it

starts to look like shit. They did.
Because I'm seeing right right now you can get an 85 inch TV for nine hundred dollars but they did get him the OLED LG which was forty five hundred dollars curved screen so pretty nice I don't know if it's curved yeah I don't remember the first the first game I ever watched in HGTV was with my dad the midge game oh. Oh, yeah.
Unbelievable game to watch in HGTV. That is a good one.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
My other who's back. I have another who's back baseball related.
Who's back the week is the Philly Fanatic because he held his birthday bash today and he invited every mascot except Bloopy. Oh, no.
Yes. Love it.
That fuck would have... I mean, think about the budget for food if you invite Bloopy.
Or you have to buy three plane tickets. Yeah, and you can't have kids around.
He could have denied an invitation because he's scared of Philadelphia. That's true.
That's, I mean... Now, if you invite every other mascot, it's kind of a cuck move for every other mascot to just...
You've got games that day too. Yeah, but Philly's kind of like it.
You go across the country to celebrate another mascot's birthday. The Fanatic is, well, mascots, I think, will do anything to get together.
They do like getting together. I know, but I like it so much better when it's rare.
Yeah, but it's like at the All-Star game. But if there was one mascot that everyone would go to their birthday party, I think the Philly Fanatic, like not trying to glaze Max here, he is kind of the OG.
He is one of the OGs, but still, I think you have to have a little bit more pride in yourself than these guys are having and just being like, oh, yeah, I'm going to go tip my cap to another team's mascot. Well, they probably didn't just do a birthday party.
They probably played, like, a scrimmagerimmage against a peewee football team and kicked their ass.

Just ran all over them?

Yeah.

Bryce Harper got him a gift.

It was a cool glove.

Why'd he get him?

He got a cool glove?

It was like a massive glove.

Probably better than John Sterling's gift.

Was it a mascot glove that he could put on over his-

Yes, he put it on over.

I'll pull it up.

That is pretty cool.

But no, I think Blooper got invited, but that bitch was too scared. Oh, I like that.
I too scared I mean he's terrified of Philly Oh that is a great gift Wait Oh no he hasn't opened it yet Here it is A huge glove Oh wait what Oh no it was a shoe Oh wait this is 2019 Oh Bryce Harper gets some gifts every year for his birthday. Wow.
Bryce Harper loves the Fanatic.

I mean, no, Bryce Harper, that's like a thing.

Here it is.

He has like an obsession with the Fanatic.

Yeah, because he has the cleats, right?

That's kind of cool.

Here it is.

Here it is.

The Fanatic is hilarious, dude.

Like, he is what Bloopy wants to be.

Bloopy's an imitation.

That's a nice glove.

It is a good glove.

Yeah, it's big.

It's a big-ass glove.

You remember when Tommy Lasorda got into a fight with him? Yeah. Yeah, it's big.
It's a big-ass glove. You remember when Tommy Lasorda

got into a fight with him? Yeah, that's what I

was saying. He is the standard.

Alright, Jake.

My Who's Back of the Week is

the future of golf being in good hands.

We had some crazy stories in the

golf world this week. We can start off with

the LPGA Tour. Nelly Korda,

tailor-made athlete.

She won her fifth start in a row.

And this was a major.

So that's sick. What major?

The Chevy,

I think. That's a major? Yeah, because

it's Chevy. That's true.
What a great brand

that is. It is true.

Checking. Yeah, you know what? Let's start

with the LPGA.

If you win five weeks

in a row. Yeah, the Chevron Championship.
Okay. We know that's Chevy.
It's a Chevy championship. Chevron is not Chevy.
I know, but we're just going to call it. I got my brands mixed up.
Okay. Also, you guys want to call dibs on Miles Russell.
Okay. 15 years old.
First ever, youngest ever player to make the cut at the Corn Fairy Tour. Okay, dibs.
I'm sick with Charlie. I got two dibs.
No, you can't double dibs. Well, we have Brooks and Max.
Yeah. No, but for future.
Yeah, you can do two. For who's got next.
Yeah, we need two. Yeah.
And finally, it was rain delay right now, but Scotty is up by five with three holes left. Yeah, he's just punishing everyone You know what? We can't have two next guys up because I think it'll be good for Charlie to have this type of competition where it'll be like Arnold Palmer Jack Nicklaus winning all those majors between them.
It'll be good for the growth of the game. So the future's in good hands.
I like it. Alright, let's do Todd McShay and then after Todd McShay we have Mr.
Parrish picks, which we won's in good hands. Okay.
I like it. All right, let's do Todd McShay.
And then after Todd McShay, we have Mr. Parris' picks, which we won't do Mr.
Parris on every episode, but we have to get him a win on an episode. Well, then he'll be more of a football turtle.
We'll do some Instagram lives with him for other big NBA, NHL games. But we have to get this fucking stupid-ass turtle a win.
I think we should fade the turtle. I'm going to fade the turtle.
If I fade the turtle, he's going to win. I'm going to fade him.
I'm going to fade whatever this pick is. That's a promise.
Okay. Or, I tossed this out here earlier, but if he continues to lose, we should punish him in some way.
Okay. Or we can just blame memes.
Yeah. Memes is already trying to give this turtle to my kids.
No punishing. No punishing.
Okay, no punishing but we can blame memes no we can verbally punish him no pita no punishing you can't you can verbally berate an animal i will get eye to eye with mr parent tell me he's a fucking loser you know what mr i'm not mad i'm i'm just disappointed i got a problem in my house because my kids love mr pair they met him They were so pumped. Memes just keeps saying it's your turtle.
Yeah, he's trying to pawn off Mr. Pear.
That was the fastest thing. He's going to win some games.
This turtle's going to live for 50 years, and Memes already is trying to get rid of him four days in. He's got to win or lose them all.
Yeah, that's true. I hope he keeps losing.
Okay. Let's get to Todd McShay.
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Okay, it is draft week.

It is time.

We welcome on our good, good friend, recurring guest, Todd McShay.

Todd, first of all, how are you doing?

Ready for draft?

I'm doing great, man.

Yeah.

Ready for the draft.

Yeah, I'm going to be sitting alone at home this year.

A little bit different than normal.

But yeah, but I'm fired up.

All right.

I'm fired up.

So, I mean, there's nothing better than draft time.

I know you've still been doing all the work, all the calls. Let's start at the top.
Cale Williams is a bear, so we can just say that, right? Like, it's 100% slam dunk. Don't tell me that when I paint my fingernails on Thursday night, I'm going to look like a fool.
And I know you will. Yeah.
Now, that's a lot. I just find it interesting, right? Like we get to the end of the season and you get all these anonymous scouts who are like, you know, I wouldn't take him there.
If I was making the decision for Chicago, I would be worried. I would be concerned about all these things.
You're crying in the stands with his mom and painting his fingernails and do his teammates love him and all that. And then you get to the combine, and it's like all the media has time now to go out and have dinners and drinks and interact with all the people in the league.
And then immediately, it's like two days into the combine, it goes, oh, yeah, yeah, Caleb's going to Chicago. Yeah, That's tough.
Yeah, because he's been the first pick for two years now. So it's like this.
And he would have been the first pick last year. Right, right.
So the fatigue is there where people are picking apart, and he's going to be a bear. So knowing that he's going to be a bear, let me ask you this.
Where does the draft start? Well, let me just, before we pass on Caleb, because I know you care about this, you go back and look at some of the situations that the number one overall pick has been drafted into, and it's been ugly. Like Bryce Young last year, I would argue, is the ugliest situation that any of these number one overall picks at quarterback have been drafted into.
Two and 15 last year, traded Christian McCaffrey, staff fired, owner, all the issues with David Tepper that we know. No weapons, no protection.
So everyone's like, Stroud, you should have taken Stroud, and maybe they should have, okay? But maybe they should have had a better organization around him. Go back to Trevor Lawrence in 2021.
And Trevor hasn't become the guy that we thought he was going to be to this point. We're still waiting for him to make that like that third step, if you will.
But as a rookie with Urban Meyer, that situation, disasters in terms of the organizational leadership, no protection, no weapons. He had, you know, three and 14 as a rookie.
Doug Peterson comes in. They had a couple of.
They protect him a little better. And they make that huge jump that they made in his second year.
So, like, these number one overall picks are typically drafted into really bad situations. I don't think it's the case in Chicago.
I think you're going to see a big jump. Like, what Ryan Poles has done from last year to this year, also having the number nine overall pick, the general manager has kind of seen the vision.
Let's put things around the quarterback position so that when we do draft Caleb next year, we're going to put him in a better situation. Now, all of a sudden, Caleb comes in, and you've got DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, DeAndre Swift and depth behind him at running back, Cole Komet at tight end.
This is as good a situation as we've seen in a long time. Going back to beyond Kyler Murray in 2019, beyond Baker Mayfield in 2018 with Cleveland, you have to go back a while to say which quarterback was in this good of a situation that Caleb Williams is entering into as the number one overall pick in the draft.
I love it. I love it.
And it's why all the talk about him, like, oh, he's going to say he doesn't want to go to Chicago. It's like, when is a seven and 10 team ever going to draft one number one overall again? Like, that's the other part is the team, they weren't great, but they were not the worst.
They weren't a two win team and their defense is good. I'm, I'm, I couldn't be more excited I agree, obviously, that this is a perfect situation for him.
And I am I'm just going, I'm all in. I'm going all in.
I don't care. People are going to say all this stuff.
I think he's the first Gen Z quarterback that will piss people off. But everything else, he's going to be awesome and I'm pumped for it.
So, knowing that he's going one, PFT's up on the clock at two, what's the pick going to be? It's got to be Jaden Daniels. Yep.
And I know that everyone is linking Drake May, and there's all sorts of conversations there. Drake May has tremendous upside.
You better be ready, though, with Drake May to sit him for a year. When you look at the history of drafting quarterbacks, numbers of starts, then you look at Drake May specifically, the inconsistency with his decision-making at times, with his footwork, which leads to erratic accuracy.
I think Drake May could wind up being the second-best quarterback in this draft, maybe, if put in the right situation and has time to develop, like Patrick Mahomes had a full year, you know? So to me, like, I think in the right situation, he'll be great. Jaden Daniels, I got done with the tape at the end of the season.
And I was like, damn, I don't know. Like if I'm just evaluating this past year, 2023, I don't see a huge difference between Caleb and Jaden.
I don't. You've got to remember with Caleb, there was that Notre Dame game, and there were losses at the end of the year, and he's trying to do too much.
And he'll work that out of his system when he gets to the NFL and has more structure and a better defense and all those things. But just based off the tape, and then you had the mobility with Jaden, the fact that the improvement that he made over the last two years playing in a pro style system, understanding and trusting his reads, I think he's got a chance to be special.
And so when I'm done with the tape, I always try to kind of rack my board, figure out who I like, and then I start making calls. I promise you, of the dozens of calls that I've made from January to now with guys in the league, general managers, personnel directors, scouts, all over the league, there isn't one person I've spoken to that believes that Drake May should be drafted number two over Jaden Daniels.
I even talked to teams going back to February, where teams were like, yeah, we're still debating between Caleb and Jaden at number one, okay? So it was like that first tier has been for teams has always been kind of Caleb and Jaden. And then the second tier is Drake.
And then the third tier is J.J. McCarthy.
And then you get into the fourth tier where you can start talking about Michael Penix and Bo Nix and those guys. Yeah.
I also think Cliff Kingsbury as the OC in DC, I feel like Jaden Daniels would be the guy that he would want easily over Drake May, right? With the system that he runs? Yeah. I mean, yeah, I can see that.
I think when you look at the system that Drake came from versus the system that Jaden came from the two years that Jaden had at LSU,

the mobility that he, that he provides as an extra element, you know,

Cliff and what he was able to do with Kyler and, and, and what,

what he's always wanted to do in his system.

Didn't always in college have mobile quarterbacks, but that was,

I remember sitting in Cliff's office talking to him.

Like the next evolution for him was finding more mobility at the quarterback position because everyone's like, well, it's all it's all air raid. It's Mike Leach and all that stuff.
Really, that all transformed from the Mike Leach system to, you know, to what we've seen go on at Oklahoma and then USC recently. Lincoln Riley adjusted it where you had the guard tackle,

backside pulling and more physical, and then adding that element of the quarterback run. We saw a little bit with Baker, but more so with Kyler.
And that's what Cliff saw going to Arizona. It was like, wait, I can run what we run.
We can be more physical in the run game, but we've got a quarterback that's going to give us numbers and get us out of trouble yeah that to me is is the pinnacle of where they want that system to be and that's what jayden provides and drake is mobile but he's not jay right yeah jayden's special and you're right i i feel like if you're running the air raid system it's great to have all those shots downfield but it's also great to have a quarterback that if those are covered you get an easy 10 yards and i yes jen daniels was electric in college we watched all those games we sat down we watched the tape todd or we i know you know we we grind right you guys have evolved like i remember yeah i don't think that josh allen here you guys were studying the tape you hit you hit on it yeah watch the tape measure on his hands you felt you It felt like a highlight reel organization. Now I see you guys with the tape.
You hit on it. He watched the tape measure on his hands.
It felt like a highlight reel organization. Now I see you guys with the coach's clip.
Now we're different. Sometimes better be lucky than good with the Josh Allen year.
So on the tape that I've studied with Jaden Daniels, I noticed his elbow is kind of fucked up. Is that a problem at all? Is any team out there looking at his elbow and they're like, that elbow is too weird to be a quarterback? It is weird, man.
Yeah. Have you ever seen an elbow like that? It's a little different.
My favorite, I don't know if you've been on Twitter, but do yourself a favor if you want like 30 seconds of a laugh, look up Jaden Daniels and Looney Tunes. Okay.
Okay. There's someone, I forget who did it.
I wish I had it on me. But someone put together a reel of all the plays.
Because he had for whatever. Yeah, when he gets hit.
He gets car crashed. Yeah, when he gets hit, he gets hit.
And it's like flailing, arms, legs, like limbs everywhere. It's awesome.
It's not awesome if you're a general manager. You're like, we're going to have to learn to slide a little bit better and make better decisions.
But it's worth a 30-second lap. That's what some people in D.C.
are a little bit gun-shy about. And I get it because we still remember the RG3 years where he did not learn how to slide.
And when he got hit, he would get hit. He was very, very bad at protecting himself.
And actually, the wounds go a little bit deeper in D.C. You can go all the way back to Jason Campbell.
And he never learned how to slide either, and he was a first round pick. So a lot of people in D.C.
are

a little bit afraid of getting

a quarterback that doesn't know how to protect themselves.

Here's the difference between Jaden

and RG3. RG3

was a track sprinter.

Everything was straight line. He was a 4'3

guy. His

burst, when he caught a crease, he could go.

But if you really studied him, he didn't

have much wiggle. He wasn't

the twitch guy, the snap

Thank you. guy could you know his burst when he when he caught a crease he could go but he didn't if you really studied him he didn't have much wiggle yeah he wasn't the twitch guy the snap guy so to me like when you watch jayden he's both he's fast and quick yeah yeah and that will that will allow him to protect himself so there are a lot of guys in this draft that are declining workouts for whatever reason they've got their own plan that they want to put forward they're confident in their their tape showing it to general managers.
They want to let that speak for itself. My question is how in-depth are GMs getting and front offices getting when they break down film of a guy where they don't have a 40 time on paper for him? Are they comparing him on the field to players where they know that guy's 40 speed and they can kind of extrapolate what the true numbers for this prospect are? Or how important is it if a guy chooses not to do those specific drills? To be honest with you, like if you're going to be a top 10 pick and scouts and GMs around the league will hate me for saying this.
If you know, like if it's certain you're going to be top five, seven, even top ten pick, and you're not competing with one other guy to go, you know, like Marvin Harrison Jr.,

I think Malik Nabors has a chance to be more dynamic and explosive,

but Marvin Harrison Jr. is the most NFL-ready player at any position in this class.

Marvin Harrison knows if he doesn't go number four, he's going to go number five overall.

He's going to very likely be the first non-quarterback drafted in this class, right?

So what would you rather?

Let's go. Harrison knows if he doesn't go number four, he's going to go number five.
Overall, he's going to very likely be the first non-quarterback drafted in this class, right? So what would you rather? Let me ask you this. What would you rather? This guy who you're going to make a 30-plus million dollar investment on for the next five years and has to show up and be ready, not only for two years down the road and that five-year investment, but right away we need this guy to be ready.
Would you rather him training in a facility in Arizona or Florida working on his box jumps and his, you know, his getoff speeds, takeoff speeds in the 40-yard dash? Or would you rather him, like Marvin Harrison Jr. has been working with NFL veterans to continue to polish his route running and work on his, you know, certain aspects of his game, his flexibility, so that he's ready for week one more so than, you know, all these rookies.
Talk to rookies halfway through their rookie year, and they're like, I'm exhausted. Like, I wasn't in the football shape that I'm always used to being in.
It wasn't a year-round training for football. It was training for the Olympics, right? And so to me, it only makes sense.
And the other thing that people get mixed up on this, 40-yard dash is great for television. And absolutely, there's credence and value to it, especially at positions like wide receiver and cornerback.
But today, it's so different today with the catapult system, the miles per hour that we have. They're wearing the thing on their body, the GPS tracker.
I know if a guy's running at max speed 21 miles per hour or 24 miles per hour. And that translates to me.
I'm not saying we're ever going to get rid of the 40. I don't think that that's where we're headed at all because it's another opportunity to see apples to apples comparison.
But I now not only know what top speed is, but how fast they get to top speed. I know how fast they practice.
I know how many steps they do. I know everything about the movement of every player that I'm getting ready to draft because you're not just doing it in the NFL college programs.
You're doing it from the day they step on campus. Yeah, it makes sense.
It does feel like we have more data than we've ever had. All right, so Drake Bay is going to go to the Patriots even though Hank, our draft expert here on PMT, says that he wants Marvin Harrison and he doesn't care who's throwing to him that it will work out.
So after that, I think the intrigue in the top 10, and correct me if I'm wrong, is where is J.J. McCarthy going to go? So give me your J.J.
McCarthy take and then tell me where he's going to go because he is confusing in the fact that we saw him play. He was phenomenal when he was asked to throw.
He was not asked to throw a lot. And it's a typical guy who, if you ask four months ago, he's a second rounder.
Now he's being talked about as the fourth pick overall. So tell us the J.J.
McCarthy story and where you think he's going to end up. J.J.
McCarthy has all the traits. J.J.
McCarthy's a winner. J.J.
McCarthy, a year ago, we were worried, is he big and physical and strong enough? He's put on 15 pounds in the last year. He's got the kind of frame.
He'll continue to get bigger and stronger, and he's been durable. J.J.
McCarthy can process quickly enough and will continue to get better. And if you watch him throw it, here's the big thing.
Here's how I would break it down and try to simplify it. Everything you need to see from him, you can see, especially now with like the cut-ups and the third down and seven plus and all.
You can find everything, but whereas like for Caleb Williams, who's got more starts and was throwing the ball more, and for Jaden Daniels, a lot more starts and was in an offense that asked him to carry the team more. You're going to see 40 clips of one thing over the course of his career.
JJ, you might only see 10. So it's a volume thing.
How much volume in that catalog are you able to see? So is there a risk in that? Absolutely. And the other thing, when I talk to teams in the league, I always ask, how's this guy going to succeed? How's this guy going to fail? What would be your concern in drafting him? I always get the same thing.
It's the lack of volume. I wish I could see more of these certain red zone, first down play, certain things that Michigan just was so committed to the run in their system.
So it starts with the volume. And then the second thing that I always get is there wasn't a quarterback, you know, no other quarterback in this class had the supporting cast that JJ had.
And then the pushback is, well, wait a second, Jayden's got two first round wide receivers he's thrown to. Yeah, but look at the protection.
You know, the Joe Moore, you know, offensive line, the best offensive line in college football two years ago. They didn't win it this past year, but should have won it.
We saw that against Washington, which wound up winning, you know, how much more efficient and physical that offensive line was. So protection was there.
System protected him. Defense was phenomenal the last two years for Michigan.
So he was never put in a Caleb Williams situation where we go out out and score 40, we might lose. So those are the two things that you debate there.
If you're looking at the big picture now, Caleb's going one. Jaden should absolutely go two.
Drake May is most likely going to go three to New England. I think there's a big time outside the box scenario where New England tries to move down, move back up, gets kind of crazy with it.
But Robert Kraft is going to make sure that they get a quarterback that's exciting for New England moving forward in the future. So let's assume those three come off the board.
Arizona is sitting at four. Montee Osifor, the GM, has shown that he likes to move around.
He did a lot of that last year. But they've got a bunch of picks.
And so I don't know that moving back necessarily helps them. And when you get to know Monty and what he looks for and the physicality and looking the part and all those sorts of things, I just think that Marvin Harrison Jr.
makes too much sense. They need a weapon.
They've got their quarterback that they're going to ride with for a little while because of the contract situation and what we know we can do when it's healthy. So I think they stick at four

unless they get a phenomenal offer. I think Arizona sticks to four and takes Marvin Harrison Jr.

Five, though, is where the move is going to be made, in my opinion. The Chargers won out.

Jim Harbaugh wants offensive line. And Joe Ortiz, the new general manager,

came from the same tree as Joe Douglas did with douglas did with the jets they were all in baltimore with ozzy newsome and ozzy ozzy's big thing is always let's sit let's sit tight trust our board the player if we have to draft there we don't get a good deal we know that the player we're going to get there is a good player but let's wait for a team to panic yeah and let's exploit them. Think about all the moves that Ozzie did moving back, exploiting teams that were in a panic

in that 10, 15 minute clock.

And that's what the Chargers are going to do.

And Minnesota is the most likely team, as we know, sitting at 11.

And obviously the 23rd pick, the trade they already made with Houston.

So they have the picks to package to move up. They'll have to probably give away a number two, worst case in number one next year.
But I think Minnesota is a team that moves up and goes and gets JJ McCarthy. And, and JJ has been tied to them for a long time.
And by the way, I got news for you with their play calling with, with, with Justin Jefferson, with the protection they have, I would say, even though I think Caleb's better and I think Jaden's better, I think Drake May has a higher upside, J.J. McCarthy could have the best rookie year of all the quarterbacks if he lands in Minnesota.
That's the most desirable spot for these rookie quarterbacks. Oh, wow.
Interesting. So who's the first defensive player to get drafted? I'm glad you asked that.
You're welcome.

Because everyone –

Good job asking that.

Thank you.

I appreciate you.

Thank you.

Dallas Turner, the edge rusher from Alabama, is where –

I've had more time this year to read all these mock drafts.

It's kind of comical, to be honest with you.

I love that.

I love that McShay is like, wow, this is what I've been doing?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then also...

It's fan fiction. It's fan fiction for guys.

It's the best. No, I love it.

I love it. And I got news for you.
Everyone,

NFL teams try to, you know, this macho

thing where mock drafts are ridiculous. Well,

there has been a general manager I've talked to that

doesn't have some sort of system where they take

the three or four mock drafts that they trust the most,

put it into some database and plug it out

and utilize that to try to figure out what other teams are doing. So it is a tool used in the NFL.
But what I'll say with the mock drafts is everyone has got Dallas Turner, the edge rusher from Alabama, going eight to Atlanta. If you line up all the mock drafts, eight to Atlanta.
And maybe he is the first defensive player, and maybe that's where Atlanta goes. They certainly could use an edge.
But the more people I've talked to in the league, the more I get the sense that Byron Murphy, defensive tackle from Texas, could be, and I don't want to say he's most likely, but if there's going to be a surprise in the top ten, it's Byron Murphy. Okay.
Teams are looking for interior pass rushers. There's so few impact.
Just thinking in the top of your head, how many elite impact interior defensive lineman pass rushers are there? Yeah, Aaron Donald was one. Yeah, he retired.
You can get to like five, six, seven, right, in that range where you're like, yeah, that dude, we've got to account for him. Yeah.
And so Byron, with his quickness and power, and just the way he penetrates and disrupts, I think that he's going to be a major impact player. He's ready to play right away, and teams are looking for that.
So I don't know if it's Tennessee surprises at 7, Atlanta at 8, Chicago at 9, even though everyone's mocking a wide receiver. What if MHJ, Malik Malik neighbors and Romo Junze are off the board, which the absolute, I mean, the giants, we know Arizona, um, the charger chargers could take a wide receiver, but I think they trade out the giants could take a receiver at six.
The Titans could take a receiver seven. So all three of those receivers could be off the board and And Byron Murphy could be the pick at number nine for the Chicago Bears.

Okay. What's crazy is we're talking about all these great players and there

are a lot of good ones, but to me,

the guy that is going to be maybe have the best career out of all of them.

We haven't even said his name yet, Brock Bowers.

And it feels like Brock Bowers is people are penciling him into the jets

right now.

Is that going to be a pick where he falls to like number 10 and everybody's like, ah,ck bowers they got him we should have taken him earlier yeah it absolutely could be it could be brought it here's the tough part with brock bowers the tape is phenomenal he's one of the five or six best football players in this draft everyone would agree right but he looks like a like a tall banker who like put you know played in a fraternity like basketball you know yeah league and he just doesn't look the part didn't work didn't run the 40 because he had the injury and did the recent like georgia makeup pro day and did all the position drills but so you don't have the 40 on him he doesn't look the part he's coming off the injury and most importantly all those things aside because i think tape wins out on him the tight end position like this is this is an investment and you're invested in quarterbacks pass rushers wide receivers now which wasn't always the case but wide receivers because the game has changed so much playmakers and then guys who can cover those those playmakers at cornerback yeah and so are you willing to take a tight end who's not going to ever be a great blocker, doesn't necessarily look the part, all the physical traits, is he up there with everybody else? I think that's the question. But then I look at the Jets at 10, right? I think for Joe Douglas, again, we talked about Joe Ortiz, the new GM of the Chargers with Jim Harbaugh and how i i would bet money that they move out of that number five spot the jets don't have a second round pick and that's not a comfortable neighborhood for joe douglas to be living in right now okay he also he needs offensive tackle they brought in a couple you know 33 year olds or whatever their ages are as band-aids but but what if one of those guys gets injured and the history says that one if not both of those guys are going to get injured so they want to draft an offensive tackle there but you're sitting at 10 you don't have a second round pick because we traded away as part of the Aaron Rodgers deal and we don't pick again until until the third round so I could see the Jets moving out of 10 now that doesn't mean that Brock Bowers won't still be there if they make a deal to move back.
What if JJ starts to fall? And you've got the Raiders at 13. I don't know if they would want to move up, but certainly the Broncos at 12, even though they don't have the second round pick as well.
What if they can move back two or three spots? I still think Bowers, if he doesn't go 10, the next place I would look at would maybe 15 to the Colts, 14 to the Saints, 15 to the Colts, that range. So maybe the Jets move back and still are able to get Bowers, or maybe the Jets move back and get an offensive tackle.
Because if it's not Joe Waldon in Notre Dame, there's six or seven offensive linemen, guys that are tackles that could move inside that are going to go in this first round. It's one of the best offensive tackle classes I can remember in the last decade.
I love to hear that. The mistake Brock Bowers made was taking that picture next to Gronk.
If he didn't take that picture next to Gronk, I think everything would be fine. Everything would be fine.
That one picture. Wait, wait.
That guy was what he was in the league. That's what it's supposed to look like.
Who's that guy? And he was wearing the black shoes, too, that made him look like he was a banker. You're right.
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All right. So,

uh,

you said something there,

the wide receiver class,

like it is now become,

it used to not be something that teams would draft as high as they're

drafting.

Now it's just every year.

Got to get one of these guys.

It's from all I've read,

one of the best wide receiver drafts.

You have Marvin Harrison,

a dunze and neighbors who though,

after that is,

uh,

someone that you're very high on that might be in the late first round, early second round, that teams can be like, look, if we don't get one of these three guys, we can wait and we can get a really, really good wide receiver going forward. I think it's going to be another year.
We've seen this historically. I think it's going to be another year where there are two or three guys in the second round that go that wind up being more productive than one or two guys in the first round.
Yeah. They really do.
And I believe strongly in Marvin Harrison Jr. doesn't have the twitch and kind of that after-the-catch ability that Malik Nabors has, but Malik doesn't have the size of Marvin Harrison Jr.
But they're both going to be absolute stars in the NFL. Romo Junze is going to be a damn good player.

Devontae Adams is probably the best. It is the best case, but he's that kind of player.
After that, you've got A.D. Mitchell from Texas.
I think Brian Thomas would probably wind up being the other LSU receiver, probably being the fourth receiver off the board. Xavier, Xavier Mitchell, Xavier Worthy, sorry, the other Texas wide receiver.
Those are the guys that I think will wind up going in the first round. But I'm telling you right now, Ladd McConkie from Georgia is so dynamic in terms of his route running ability, ability to separate, and after the catch ability and the consistency with his hands.
Ricky Pearsall from Florida is the best route runner in this class, and everyone's like, yeah, well, he's not overly fast. He's not dynamic and explosive.
We ran a 4-4-1 in this 40-yard dash, right? And he had a 42-inch vertical. You can't tell me he's not explosive.
And so Ladd McConkie, Ricky Pearsall, Xavier Leggett. Xavier Leggett from South Carolina is a player that I look at, like, I can get him in the second round.
And so, to me, here's how it's going to play out. All these receivers, the top three receivers are going to come off the board quickly, but there's a bunch of teams that have tackle and wide receiver as their top needs, if you will.
If I look at it as a combination of the two, like combo picks, I call them, right? Arizona picks at 4 and 35. I think they're going to take Marvin Harrison Jr.
But wouldn't you maybe rather have Joe Walt, the best left tackle in this class, and then get a Xavier Leggett in the second round. Chargers, 5-37.
Again, they could move out

of that spot. But what if they take Joe Walt instead at number five? And then at 37, you get

Aladdin McConkie. The Giants at 6-47.
They traded out. They gave their pick away to Carolina for

39, but they have the 47th pick. So in another trade, that's another team.
Tackle wide receiver.

The Titans, 7-38. So there are four teams there.
It's going to be interesting to see. Are we just going to get the best wide receiver and try to get tackle in the second round? Or do we realize there's a hell of a lot more depth? Because everyone's talking about how great this tackle class is.
And it is. I mean, you've got Joel Talisa Fulaga from Oregon State, Oli Fashano from Penn State.
You got J.C. Latham from Alabama, Amarius Mims from Georgia, Troy Fautanu from Washington, Tyler Guyton from Oklahoma.
All those guys, though, are going the first round. And then there's kind of a significant drop off in the second round.
So while we're all all talking about wide receiver it won't shock me if the tackles go faster than expected and then there's a big run on receivers late first early second yeah got it xavier worthy to to las vegas that just seems like a a great fit if we're going based on like history of teams drafting based on specific traits you can piss all in this was still alive yeah yeah yeah yeah i i would just love to see that i would love to see the ouija board that they have set up in the draft room tell them xavier worthy no matter what yeah as vegas yeah uh so uh what about cooper de gene we've taken an interest in cooper de gene player comp in the nfl i've got uh jason seahorn and then uh those snaps where julian Edelman played defense. So he's going to be a first rounder, right? You guys are solid.
He's going in the first round. He's going in the first round.
He just had his makeup pro day, if you will, at Iowa. Ran a four in the low four fours, depending on the scout you talk to.
He's a great player. He's a versatile player.
He can play slot. He can play outside corner.
He can play free safety. He might be an all pro punt returner too.
I mean, this guy, he's, he's a difference maker. Um, I think you guys can do better with your comps.
Okay. I mean, I think you can dig a little deeper.
Chris Conti. I, I'm like, uh, like almost a more mobile read dowdy.
Hey, what's that that what did teams think about the letter he sent kind of a try hard move yeah i mean yeah did he actually write a letter or was it an email uh that i don't know i believe it was a letter in an email is what is my understanding okay okay All right. So I got another weird question.
This draft is going to be significant in the fact that we could finally see Sean McVay take a first-round pick. Will that happen? It's crazy to say, but Sean McVay has never had a first-round pick in the draft.
They've traded a million times.

The last first round pick the Rams had was Jared Goff.

That was Jeff Fisher.

Will they actually take a first round pick this year? Will they actually select

in the first round? Does Sean McFay even know what

to do with that?

It's really more or less need.

It's them together. Less need the general manager.

He's a good bottom line.

I love the draft. Fuck them picks.
Yeah, fuck them together. Let's need the general manager.
He's a good bottom line. And I love the, what was it? F the draft? Fuck them picks.
Yeah, fuck them picks. I can see them packaging picks and going to move up.
You know, get rid of some more picks, right? We don't care. But what about quarterback for the Rams? Oh, interesting.
So are Bo Nix and Michael Penix, like, they're...

It feels like one of the two of them is gonna

drop... Michael Penix...
Yeah, drop...

I think Michael Penix

is gonna go in the first round, and I

don't agree with it. I have a second-round grade on him.

I think he...

I think he has starting caliber.

He's the best pure passer in this class. That's what

we said about C.J. Stroud last year, but C.J.
Stroud

didn't have the durability issues. C.J.
Stroud last year. But C.J.
Stroud didn't have the durability issues.

C.J. Stroud, even though he didn't like to run, was more mobile.
Like I said, with every general manager I talk to, it's how is this guy going to succeed? And we know he's going to succeed, Penix is, if he has great protection and good weapons and can throw down the field. That's where he excels.
How is he going to fail, though? and that's as a scout you better be prepared to walk into the gm's office and say

give me give me the reasons why he would fail and what we would have to do to prevent him from failing.

Well, we got to see in a two-game span, right, in the CFP semifinal and the national championship, how he's going to succeed against Texas.

Protection, deep ball, when everything's right, he's going to be able to pick you apart.

And then we saw how he's going to fail.

Mix up coverages, deep ball. When everything's right, he's going to be able to pick you apart.

And then we saw how he's going to fail.

Mix up coverages, confuse him, make him stay in the pocket a quarter count longer than he's comfortable.

And it's not that he can't read. He can read as fast as any one of these guys.

But it's the lack of mobility in the pocket and then the durability.

And he's tough as nails.

He fought through that game, but he took too many hits. And I think that's going to happen in the league.
And I worry about him holding up, but he's had the multiple knee injuries in the past. But at the end of the day, it's interesting.
When I talk to people in the league at the end of the season, let's go back to the beginning of the season. Coming into the year, day three guy, okay? End of the season, third, fourth, that range.
Then it was, you know, as, as the coaches got involved, it became absolutely second round. And now as we get close and everyone's looking at it, you're starting to hear somewhere in the first, I've, I've even heard rumors, maybe the Raiders at 13.
That's too rich for me, But I think Michael Penix goes in the first round. Bo Nix is fascinating to me.
And I was talking to Kuyper about this the other day. Like, Bo Nix, everyone puts him at 12 to the – and, again, I'm reading too many mock drafts this year because I'm bored at times.
Bo Nix is going 12. And the Sean McVay – I'm sorry.
Sean Pay Payton, you know, comparing him to Drew Brees and, you know, the running in college, the hand span, like I've heard some of the most ridiculous things. But Bo Nix, if he doesn't go 12th to Denver, is a second-round pick according to everybody.
Well, I talk to people in the league and everyone across the board, and it's the same thing as I see. He's a backup.
He's a great guy. Unbelievable interview.
You know, son of a former player at Auburn, coach, all that. Like he's been around the game.
He's tough. He's everything you look for from a character and leadership standpoint.
But talent wise, I don't I don't see a first rounder. So to me, Bo Nix belongs in the second round.
I think there are five quarterbacks that are going to go. Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Drake May, J.J.
McCarthy, and Michael Penix. And I think round two is where you'll see Bo Nix go.
That makes sense. All right, so who's your favorite first-round pick that no one's talking about? Because we've obviously heard all about the quarterbacks.
We've heard all about the wide receivers. We've heard about the top-end offensive tackles.
Who's the guy that you keep looking at and you're like, whoever gets this guy is going to be just so, so happy? I mentioned him before, but I'll go back to Lad McConkie. Okay.
But he might not go in the first round. So who else? I'm going to say he's going in the first round.
Oh, okay. Braden Fisk from Florida State.
Defensive tackle. Short arms.
No one likes likes him might go early second but so it doesn't fit what you're saying but he's gonna I think he's gonna outplay a lot of guys that go ahead of him I think he's a star um I would say guys that are definitely going to go in the first round that are overlooked I gave you Cooper Duchin I'm just looking down my list. Quinion Mitchell's got a lot of love.
I mean, there's a lot. How about Nate Wiggins, cornerback Clemson? Okay.
Burner. Everyone sees the 4-2-8.
I think he ran a 4-2-8 at the combine. But he pulled a muscle when he did it, and that's what you worry about these quick twitch guys.
But the thing is that he's not just a speed guy. He can play off coverage, press coverage.
He can play zone and man. I think that Nate Wiggins is going to wind up being a really good cornerback.
And this is a good classic. Terrian Arnold from Alabama.
Kool-Aid McKinstry is going to be late first, early second round, also the Alabama cornerback. Quinian Mitchell has had a phenomenal past couple of years, great at the senior bowl, exceptional combine workout.
He just nailed the whole process. So those guys are all going to come off the board in the first round with Cooper DeGene as well.
But Nate Wiggins could wind up being, what, the third, fourth cornerback taken? And I think he could wind up being maybe, I don't want to say the best but maybe the second second best cornerback in this class and i think he's ready to start right away even though he's only 173 i like the answer because we just need one guy that when he gets picked we can be like oh that's actually an incredible pick great value yeah we know ball i have a i have a random name for you i don't know if pft knows this but uh we have another danny woodhead who's gonna get drafted dylan lobb out of New Hampshire. You guys are really on this.
I've done my research. Dylan Lobb out of New Hampshire caught 68 balls in 10 games as a running back.
Where's he going to get drafted, and is he the new Danny Woodhead? He could be, and the only reason I say that, it's not because of the color of his skin.

You guys are really focusing on that.

No, no, that's about the catching pass.

Is he a white guy?

I mean, look it up.

Okay, hang on.

Wait, stand by.

When I watch the tape, I don't even notice.

He does happen to be white.

I had no idea until you said that.

Dylan?

Dylan.

Yeah, Dylan.

Out of New Hampshire.

All right.

So we're off of that angle.

No, it's because of the pass catching. He's like a receiver out of the running back spot.
I like – he had a great week in the Senior Bowl, productive, tough. Some of his – if you go back and study his tape, too, some of his best production was in the biggest games against the best competition.
I think he's going to be a – it's an interesting running back class. He's not going to be a first-rounder.
I think we could go late into the second round before a running back is taken Jonathan Brooks should be the first running back off the board coming out of Texas I think there's going to be a bunch of guys in the third fourth fifth round range I would say worst case lob is going to be six but I honestly think he could go in the in the fifth okay and then sticking on running backs uh where's my guy Braylon Allen like I I hope he does well as a pro he needs to obviously he's not a great pass catcher but I weirdly want him to go to the chargers because I feel like Jim Harbaugh would just be like all right we got this beast we can just run the ball right down your throat some teams will like him more than others and I think yeah Harbaugh I think I think teams that are gap power scheme You know, want to run the ball north-south, give him 15 carries per game as a backup. It's rotating in and out.
He makes sense. I don't love him as much as some other guys do.
I just think it's a league where you've got to be able to catch. You've got to have something dynamic to create on your own.
I know he generates yards after initial contact with his power. I think, to me, he's a fourth-round draft pick.
Best case, he goes in the third. Okay.
All right. All right.
I love this time of year because we get the anonymous scouts that are leaking things all over the map. We get stories of, like I think it was Justin Blackman, where one team had a scout that spent a week in a bar just to see how many times Justin Blackman showed up to that bar.
What's the weirdest story that you've heard of in terms of evaluating a player before the draft happens where a team is thinking something really strange

outside the box to figure out whether or not this is going to be the guy they

want?

Oh, geez.

Yeah, I mean, I've talked to scouts that have had to spend like a week in a

small town.

Here's the thing that always surprises me. NFL teams have their security groups, right? And typically they're former FBI guys.
And the lengths in which they go and they send it, like it won't be the director of security, but they'll send out one of their guys and, like, literally follow them. You know, like he's a suspect in a case.
Yeah. That, to me, is, like, it's pretty amazing that they will go to that.
Like, if they're considering first round, but we have concerns, you know, let's follow him around and see what he's doing. Because there is this free time, you know, and we saw that with Sweatat and defensive tackle from Texas.
It's kind of this free time where the pro days are done, some of the individual workouts, your schedule is done, and now this is this free time where you're not training for the combine anymore. We've seen year after year, players tend to get in trouble during this period, like two weeks, three weeks leading up to the draft because they finally can get, they go settle down and they're done with the pre-draft process.
And so, yeah, I think former FBI guys sending members of their staff to go literally follow like they're a criminal. Like Goodfellas, like the helicopter following them around.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've only heard in cars, but maybe the helicopter's been...
That's crazy's crazy so on that same note if the laramie tunsell draft happened today would any team drop him at all one or two spots off their board because he was smoking weed on camera well the thing with laramie tunsell that it was when the information came out right and there was obviously we know that we know the whole, being a former handler, a guy who thought he was going to make some money off of him, got pissed off and leaked it purposely that day. So the teams didn't have time to get, to call their security group and to go and get the answer.
So it was like everyone was, basically everyone in the top 10 was on the clock trying to figure it out. Yeah.
And so they didn't have the time. If it happened today, I mean, first of all, you know, I think we've come a long way with smoking pot, right? Yeah.
I think it's viewed very differently now. So I don't think it would be nearly, I don't think you would drop it off just to give you a quick answer.
But it wasn't necessarily the quote unquote crime as much as it was the the incident. Yeah.
Yeah. All right.
I got a couple last questions. So in a war room on draft night, how does a good draft room work where the GM, he's got his big board.
Is it so that a guy could stand up and be like, look, I'm going to put my reputation on this guy? Like, do each of the scouts have a certain amount of guys where they will stand up and be like, I want this guy. I'm telling you it's a good pick.
That's so that's done before that. None of this stuff is done.
What's going on in the war room is the calls from other teams, you know, figuring out who's coming off the board, moving the players with their magnets off the board and all that stuff so at that point everything's set right okay but but the meetings before some of the stories i get and i can all you know i can't share a whole lot some of the stories you get with like you hear the pounding of the table it's really just yelling and screaming across you know and like and teams got to to the point you know a couple decades ago where it got so heated that teams were like all right listen you know whether it's like a red dot player or a star player depending on the team you get a sticker and each scout gets to go up and whether it's one two three guys depending on the organization and put a sticker on that one or two guys from his his area or the positions that he did. Because the scouts, you got to remember, all these scouts get to know these players, almost like you're recruiting them in the house, know their parents, know who their agents are, know all the background.
They've done so much work on them personally. They get to really know the individual.
And there are certain guys, when you're done, and've evaluated now, in my region, 500 players and whittled it down to like 100 guys that could be, you know, that we're presenting. And then the team only has 175 guys or 150 on our overall board.
But once you set the board and there's less than a couple hundred players on that board, who are the guys that you're going to red stamp or put a star on?

And that kind of – when you're on the board and all of a sudden,

let's say you're in the pick 20 and 19 guys have come off the board,

it's typically not a first-rounder.

It's much more like second, third, fourth round.

But now we've got a cluster of five, six, seven guys with the same grade.

And if position value – like if they don't have such a need and it's really about taking the best player, they'll look at that and say, you know what? Sammy, our Southeast scout, swears by this guy. You know, we'll put his reputation on the line.
That's where that stuff happens is like two weeks leading up to the draft. Got it.
Interesting. What's the spread like in a draft room? Like do they they eat dinner before they get started do they order pizza good question thanks there's there's i've listen i've been working at espn i know our spread if i'm just gonna be honest was you know lacking but we we would order we would order lunches and dinners like you know sandwiches and stuff like that and you just never want to eat anyway until it's done and if you're kuiper you don't eat or take a sip of water yeah 72 hours so but in the in the draft i'm like there's there's food outside of the the war room and then there's snacks like it's big snacks everyone talks about what the snacks are who has the best snacks yeah you know you lobby for what snacks you want obviously there's a hierarchy and you have a big board.
Yeah. You have a draft.
You're in there. Like, it's three days.
And, like, what else? What else? I mean, you got your diet sodas. You got your coffee.
And you got your snacks. Like, it's just you and your snacks.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'd be standing on the table for Dots pretzels. I'd be like, bring in the Dots pretzels.
Yeah. Swedish fish.
Yeah. Give you a little change of pace.
But that's when you got to, like, it's all about relationships, right? Like, you got to know who's pulling the trigger, who's making that decision. Like, am I talking to GM about this? Or do we have, like, a director of ops? So, you've got to make sure you know to have a good relationship with the guy who's making that decision.
Because now you're looking at 72 hours of your life. Yep.
And if you get shitty snacks, snacks that you don't like, you're in a spot. Yeah.
I have like character concerns about Papa John's pizza, but I could, I could work around those if the ceiling's high enough, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
Right. Exactly.
Like the breadsticks are better with the dipping. Yes.
Yes. All right.
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I found out something that I... Mel Kuyper is...
You just like... Every year you find out something new that just shocks you.
So you can tell me if this is wrong or a little off. Mel Kuyper doesn't own a cell phone and he has five house phones yes so let's pull this up what let's pull this up Kuyper alright so I don't know if you can see you probably can't I don't know I've got one two three four different numbers for Mel and if I want and if I want to text i was just texting the other if i want to get through to mel look at all these texts right what are they they're just you're just saying it's the kid okay all right so it's just to his wife i asked him i asked him i said you know i want any chance i could could talk to Mel? I'm doing something with Mel next week.

Let's put it that way.

I don't want to go into too much detail.

And Kim writes back, hey, Todd, how are you?

Yeah, I'll ask him.

I'm sure he'll get back to you today.

I'm like, all right, great.

So, like, I've got to work through.

And I always bust him on that.

And the problem is you call the house and Kim will pick up.

And like, hey, and I'll talk to Kim for like 10 minutes before you can get to mel and then mel will pick up from a different landline right it's not like a cell phone at home it's like back in like the 80s where it's like you hear another phone hey todd how are you what's going on you know yeah it's a it's definitely a throwback to our to my childhood i don't even know what's yeah no yeah house phones You guys had landlines and all that? Yeah, landlines big time. I just picture Kuyper pacing with the cord getting stuck around him.
Yeah. And it's crazy to have no cell phone but five landlines.
Yeah, that's wild. I wonder if he even has wireless phones or if they're just cordless.
Oh. I mean, cordless or has the cord that, like you said,'ll tell you like because i've been talking to mel a lot recently it sounds like he's picking it you know yeah that's what i'm thinking yeah yeah it's not like that click in the beep like the yeah it sounds like he is like picking it up yeah i think i'll get to the bottom of it i'll shoot you a text yeah i'm pretty sure he's his hand is going down He's picking it up and there's a cord coming.
I love that. That's incredible.
Well, Todd, thank you as always, man. We really appreciate it.
You're the best and we're excited for draft. Yeah, let's go.
I appreciate you guys. All right.
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I like that. And watched them compete.
I like that. So we had like Jaden, Drake, JJ, all those guys just playing Topgolf and evaluating them.
I'm going to wait to see how this plays out to determine whether or not I like that or not. Yeah.
But it's still kind of a watch them compete. I guess it's JJ was there.
I think so. Shut the fuck up.
Oh no. Oh Hank you and your little smug smug face.
He's feeling himself. Yeah he is.
I was just clarifying. We can't do a podcast when you have a double win weekend.
Yeah. The double win weekends are just really talkative this yeah yeah you're you're feeling max is nodding yeah violently uh okay mr pair try to win one pick challenge that's all he's gonna do is try to win one fucking pick this stupid fucking turtle now i thought we were talking about the yeah the play-in game technically the stats don't count so mr pair you could say zero and zero zero and zero if you want to give him that excuse i personally don't believe in excuses i think we got to switch to puck well we're gonna do puck too so he's got the nicks and sixers out there right now we're gonna see what he does um while we wait for max to set it up i had a hypothetical for you guys just a crazy hypothetical hypothetical.
You ready for it? If you could pick any decade that you could live in instead of this one, what would you pick? Hypothetically? Hypothetically. Hmm.
I think there are a couple spring to mind. Wait, wait, wait.
Decade? Any decade. You want me to go first? The 12-15s would be pretty cool The 60s I would go 1830s with no racism Okay I just think that would rock Don't you guys? What happened in the 1830s? Just no racism though Going towards the Sixers Would you guys say that's profound by me? Would you say that's almost poetry? I think it's, yeah, though.
Going towards the Sixers. It's going towards the Sixers.
Would you guys say that's profound by me?

Would you say that's almost poetry?

I think it's...

Yeah, that's very deep.

Yeah.

Why?

Who said that?

Taylor Swift.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's one of her lyrics.

You know what?

My friends used to play a game where we would pick a decade we wished we could live in.

Instead of this, I'd say, the 1830s, but without all the racists, and getting married off for the highest bid. Okay.
So here's the thing about that. Wolf and they'll let us down.
Oh, he went Sixers. Sixers hard.
I want to get back to Taylor though for just one second if I could. Do the puck.
Do the puck. Get the puck.
So why didn't she just say like the entirety of the world without racism? No, she mentioned sexism. Why is she only getting married off for the highest? Why is she only getting rid of racism in the 1830s? Good question.
Like some may say it was worse in the 1840s. Yeah.
And then now that decade is just super racist. Also, if you got rid of it earlier, maybe you get rid of a lot of other bad shit.
You know what? I would get rid of all the racists. Yeah.
Well, she did say, yeah, I'd say the 1830s, but without all the racists. Okay.
That's a beautiful line. Racists in the 1820s, wiping the brow.
That was a close one. What are you saying, Max? I was asking for Hank's help.
Hank's help. So Mr.
Paris picked the Sixers. I did listen to the Taylor Swift album in its entirety.
I listened to some of it. I think you must have missed that banger of a line.
I did miss that one banger. Some of the songs kind of sound the same.
Some people were saying, not me, that mid some of the songs i can't tell the difference yeah i'm like oh did i already listen to this one but that was like three songs ago well if you have 30 songs do you have do you have an album i thought it was great this is that was a gta line true it is very funny watching people like credit like just say i saw some people just say, I'm a huge Swifty. I love all her music.
I did not think this was a great album. And people just fucking ruining them.
Just ruining them. I am, listen, she's versatile, okay? She can do pop.
She can do R&B. She can do country.
Maple Leafs. Name one other female singer that can do all three of those things.

She's an incredible artist.

It's okay if she didn't have-

Mr. Paris is hungry tonight.

Not everyone has the best albums all the time.

She said, touch me while-

I don't know.

She said, touch me while your bros play Grand Theft Auto.

Another poet.

That's a poetry line.

That's a bar.

That's a poetry line.

Did she really say that?

That's poetry.

Yeah.

Are you sure?

Yeah. Someone told me that last night who I wasn't sure if that was,

you know, I believed him or not.

Canucks won.

Okay, I'm looking back.

I'm going to have to – I'm checking this right now.

So Mr. Pear has the Maple Leafs and the Sixers.

Oh, no.

Didn't Hank say they're the same team?

Yeah.

Yeah, they are. Oh, no.
Mr. Pear might stink.
Mr. Pear loves losers.
Might be a Mr. Pear fade parlay.
Oh, no. Didn't Hank say they're the same team? Yeah.
Yeah, they are.

Oh, no.

Mr. Pear might stink.

Mr. Pear loves losers.

Might be a Mr. Pear fade parlay.

Uh-huh.

Yeah, fade the turtle.

I'm going to give Mr. Pear one more shot.

This fucking idiot.

We can go back even Steven.

Look at him.

He's fucking eating.

Mr. Pear, look at me, bitch.

You got to win. He's got to Mr.
Pair Look at me Bitch You gotta win He's gotta win You know how to ball I know Aristotle Brand new Full throttle Was Aristotle Touch me while your bros Play Grand Theft Auto Oh man Was Aristotle Aristotle was a pedophile Probably All those guys Yeah All those guys Just like They just hung out at the pool and just got sucked off by little kids? Mm-hmm. Damn.
And those are the smartest guys? The smartest guys ever. Smartest guys ever? Yeah.
Literally ever? Yeah. Yeah, that's what we're taught.
Okay. Makes sense.
Mr. Pear, I like that, that we're like roasting Aristotle while we have a fucking turtle pick games for us.
Aristotle's- Those morons. Aristotle's overrated.
Socrates, now that's a thinker. Plato, what was he? He was a pedophile? Probably, yeah.
One of Plato's dialogues says Socrates took a use question only to bet him later on. Oh, man.
The age of the young man would be disputed. This fucking guy.
Plato almost certainly didn't because we know from his writings that he thought only heterosexual sex is truly beneficial.

Aristotle probably didn't.

Yeah, but you could be- Is pedistry the act of being a pedophile?

I think it's, yeah.

This is actually around the time that pedistry is starting to be seen as unethical by most philosophers.

Yeah, you go get your degree in pedistry.

Oh, Stoic was a philosopher?

Yeah. That makes sense.
No, no, no stoic is a philosophy stoicism i don't know maybe there was a guy named stoic epicurus and the stoic oh and the stoics yeah yeah i'd love to get like i want has anyone written about aristotle is a definite no he came from macedonia and was appalled by that macedonia don Macedonia. Have they ever, like, there had to have been one dude in that crew who just wasn't smart enough to come up with something really awesome.
Well, I think that dude was Alexander the Great because they taught him and then he tried to, like, rephrase what they said and became, like, a philosopher king. But everyone was just like, oh, yeah, you're so smart because he would have killed him if yeah but i i like i'm saying like of not even a king like one of the like there's probably like a fat dude like named doug who was just like what about this socrates like nah bro you don't got it i want to know his story yeah he.
The guy that failed? Yeah.

He was going to be next up, and he just could never quite get it all together.

Or like the class clown in there?

How much Aristotle must have hated anybody that made jokes during his class?

Yeah. Somebody that was cooler than him?

Socrates and Plato were famously known for not cheating on their wives.

That sounds like they cheated on their wives.

Yeah.

Who wrote that?

Socrates?

Well, they probably were like, it's not cheating on their wives. That sounds like they have to cheat on their wives.
Yeah. Who wrote that, Socrates? Well, they probably were like, it's not cheating on my wife if it's a kid.
Yeah. They probably had stupid rules like that.
I spent the entire last summer not cheating on my wife. Hank, maybe we need Hank to just give us Philosophy 101.
If David Stern was in a class with Socrates and asked him, have you stopped beating your wife yet? Socrates' brain would have exploded. Yeah.
I've not even thought of pondering such a question so smart. And then Doug in the background would have been like, no, he beats her every fucking week.
Shut up, Doug. What the fuck, man? Try and do some philosophy and diddle some kids.

All right.

Numbers.

Was Socrates gay?

Well, he gave me a BJ at a gay club in Athens.

Close to 30 BC.

Draw your own conclusions.

Eight.

Forty.

Did you say it?

Twenty.

I did say it.

Okay.

Twenty. Eighteen.
What was the total numbers 20. I did say it.
Okay. 20.

What was the total numbers?

Oh, 73.

73.

99.

Pug.

21.

Hank, did you say it?

40.

What's 40, Hank?

Jordy 40.

Okay, that didn't answer that.

36.

36. Love you guys.
I'm talking away

I don't know what

I'm about to say

I'd say it anyway

Today is another I'm talking away. I don't know what to say.

I'd say it anyway.

Today is an update to find you.

Shying away.

I'll be coming for your love again.

Shying away.

I'll be coming for your love again.

Take on me. Take on me.
Take me Take me on me Take me on Take me on I'll be gone Take me on Take me on So needless to say So what's at hand

So what I'm feeling

So let it away

It's not that the life is okay

Say after me

It's no better to be safe than somebody

Say after me

It's no better to be safe than somebody

Take on me Take on me T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T- on you. Things that you say Is a lot of love

Just to play my mind

Be quiet

You are the things

I've got to remember

Shying away

I'll become a weird

But anyway

Take on me

Take on me

Take on me

Take on me

Take me