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Speaker 9 On today's part in my take, we have our good friend Todd McShay.

Speaker 22 It is draft week.

Speaker 19 We're going to break down the draft with him. We're doing our draft analysis.

Speaker 25 We're going to have some more on Wednesday, but we start it off, kick it off with our good friend Todd McShea.

Speaker 26 We're going to talk some playoffs.

Speaker 19 It is playoff time.

Speaker 28 We got NBA playoffs.

Speaker 25 We got Stanley Cup playoffs.

Speaker 2 We got some overreaction to do to game one.

Speaker 7 Nothing better than having a game one and being like, well, that's how the rest of the series is going to go.

Speaker 33 Series over.

Speaker 12 Series over.

Speaker 33 Teams will win every game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we're going to do some who's back of the week.

Speaker 24 We got Mr. Pear, who is now 0-2.

Speaker 26 Terrible, terrible turtle.

Speaker 4 He's awful.

Speaker 14 He's a fucking piece of shit.

Speaker 33 Smush.

Speaker 36 He's a goddamn piece of shit.

Speaker 32 But he will have a a pick and we'll wrap up the show with some other stuff.

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Speaker 43 The crown is yours.

Speaker 44 It is playoff season.

Speaker 46 Hank put it perfectly.

Speaker 39 He said there's no better couple of weeks here where we have game after game after game.

Speaker 27 NBA playoffs have kicked off.

Speaker 25 Stanley Cup playoffs have started.

Speaker 39 PFT. Yes.

Speaker 12 You want to overreact?

Speaker 33 Yeah, the Los Angeles Clippers are going to win the West.

Speaker 12 Ooh, not.

Speaker 12 They're going to compete. They're going to compete.

Speaker 33 Hey, I said that mostly just to get Hank's hopes up because Hank is grasping at all the straws.

Speaker 33 If you throw any team out there, any one individual player that you think can shut Jokic down, Hank's like, yep, yep, because he just doesn't want to see the nuggets.

Speaker 8 Hank has gotten to the point where he admitted to us that he looked already at the NBA finals schedule and was saying it's going to be a tough schedule for him.

Speaker 7 And he was like,

Speaker 53 game four is on a Friday in Denver, like going through it like that where it's just set.

Speaker 33 Well, he was looking at how it lined up with the show. So he'd have to record it.

Speaker 55 Yeah, he wants to go on the wood.

Speaker 33 He wants to, or he would have to record, I think, at least a couple pods right after games, right?

Speaker 32 Yeah, on the wood.

Speaker 11 Well, no, I don't want to.

Speaker 11 I would only try and go to the wood on non-recording nights, but game one and two, which would be home games because Celtics have the best record in the NBA, are on a Thursday and a Sunday.

Speaker 3 Well, Hank, you did fire me the fuck up with your tweet being like, this is it, the two weeks, my favorite two weeks.

Speaker 28 I'm happy you took that because I feel like I am guilty of having way too many favorites.

Speaker 33 Yeah, what are your favorite weeks? I know that your conference championship week is your favorite week. Feast week is your favorite week.
Yep.

Speaker 58 Wild card weekend, super wild card weekend.

Speaker 33 I like divisional weekend.

Speaker 61 That's I also sneaky like conference championship Sunday.

Speaker 62 Yeah.

Speaker 11 I just like the variety because it's

Speaker 11 obviously it's also the first two weeks of the year I'm really getting into hockey, but it's every single

Speaker 6 week. This is the start of hockey.

Speaker 63 Yeah,

Speaker 50 you get to have your one-seed Celtics play and also the start of hockey season at the same time.

Speaker 11 And every hockey playoff game is just the best. The crowds are crazy.
Never over.

Speaker 11 Well, it's way different than the regular season.

Speaker 33 We should do Mount Rushmore of weeks for this Mount Rushmore season. There's a lot of meat on that.

Speaker 33 there.

Speaker 33 World Cup week, great week right when it kicks off. Yeah.

Speaker 11 I just like the two different sports.

Speaker 12 That's where it's tough to beat this two weeks.

Speaker 33 If you do have two teams in the playoffs, in the NBA and the NHL,

Speaker 33 it's a great time. You really can't get anything done at work.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 All right. Well, so let's overact some games.

Speaker 66 Do you want to just go chronological order in the games this weekend?

Speaker 67 And then we'll do hockey?

Speaker 53 Because, by the way, like you, you saying that every second is a heart attack.

Speaker 69 I feel like the Bruins just spank the leafs every year.

Speaker 9 And that might just be a memory of just, I don't, maybe it happened like twice, but it feels like it happens all the time.

Speaker 11 No, more than twice. The Bruins, the Maple Leafs are the 76ers of the NHL.

Speaker 12 Oh,

Speaker 70 to your specific team.

Speaker 11 Yeah, they're always, you know, regular season, crazy fan base, and then they play the Boston team who gets smoked.

Speaker 33 And their fans cause them to lose.

Speaker 11 Without fail. Yeah.

Speaker 11 Okay, so. So they say it's because of matchup, and it's like they haven't got out of the first round.

Speaker 33 Well, their matchup is San Sonov against a hockey puck, and the puck's going to win that one. Yeah.

Speaker 50 All right, so let's go through some games. Let's talk some games.

Speaker 12 Uh, they are we game one, so let's not totally overreact, but let's overreact.

Speaker 35 Uh, the first game, which was perfect, it was the Saturday noon game is just a perfect analogy for the Texans game on Saturday for wild card weekend.

Speaker 72 Uh, but Cavs Magic, the Cavs and Magic are doing throwback basketball.

Speaker 68 They're playing, they should actually play this, they should play this series in like grainy footage because it is 90s basketball.

Speaker 74 Defense, both teams are really good defensively, And I'm just going to throw this out here.

Speaker 31 Bad strategy if you're the Orlando Magic to have your three point guards go combined 0 for 17.

Speaker 33 Yeah, not good. Not a good one to have.
But I think this is going to be one of those series that the Cavs are going to win. I think they'll win both at home.

Speaker 33 Then the Magic will win a couple at their home. Yeah.
So

Speaker 33 the series hasn't even started yet.

Speaker 14 They do have to put the ball in the basket, though, because

Speaker 57 the Cavs shot 27% from three, and they won by 14.

Speaker 7 Like it was tough and again it is like the Magic have statistically one of the best or if not the best defenses in the NBA and the Cavs are also very good defense defensively when they ratchet it up but it was it was tough to watch.

Speaker 32 It was hard for them to put the ball in the basket.

Speaker 46 Did you also see in this game we had the first two minutes.

Speaker 57 Jake maybe take off your headphones.

Speaker 65 Don't listen to this part.

Speaker 46 We had the first two minutes of the game.

Speaker 68 There's technical difficulties, no announcers, and it was so nice.

Speaker 33 It matched up perfectly with this game.

Speaker 78 It was so nice.

Speaker 33 Because it was like you're going back in time a little bit. With the announcers, sometimes this happens.

Speaker 33 Like once a year, it'll happen in a football game where you get usually like college football, maybe like some, like the third-rate Big Ten game, the sound audio issues cut out for like 10 minutes, and you're like, it's kind of nice just hearing the sound.

Speaker 33 Let the game talk.

Speaker 31 We don't need anyone telling us.

Speaker 33 In fact, some of the best things that we ever say to Joe Buck, like, you nailed that call because you didn't talk. You let the moment breathe.
Maybe they should just not talk all the time.

Speaker 12 I would love to hear Tony Romo not talk.

Speaker 33 I could listen to Tony Romo not talk for hours.

Speaker 70 Jake, do you think there was like an emergency text message with like

Speaker 70 Iron Eagle, like Kevin Harlan, Jim Nance?

Speaker 20 Like,

Speaker 32 they figured out that they don't need us.

Speaker 80 No, that'll never happen. People say that, and they'll, after 10 minutes, they'll be like, all right, it's nice to happen.

Speaker 81 We just spent...

Speaker 80 10 minutes last week on this show talking about how much Vern Lundquist means to the game of golf.

Speaker 12 That's golf is different. Golf is different.

Speaker 66 And also Vern is a legend.

Speaker 80 Yeah, I know, but I'm just saying, like, you guys try

Speaker 12 announcers.

Speaker 64 No, but it was nice.

Speaker 64 It was just nice.

Speaker 39 Maybe it was because just hearing the crowd all juiced up.

Speaker 80 Yeah, because no one talks about what announcers are good. People just love to trash them.

Speaker 12 I'll tell you what. No, we literally just

Speaker 55 Vern Lundquist. No, I'm just saying, like,

Speaker 80 the casual fan is just, they're only saying bad things about Broadcast.

Speaker 33 Jake, are you concerned at all that one day they'll just come up with AI? Yeah.

Speaker 33 And they'll have AI Brent Musberger announcing a game and we'll be like this is awesome yeah maybe they'll give an alternate version oh AI John Madden would be great I'm sign me up right now an alternate version with Nat sounds but no I I think within sports media there will always be a need for a playbook you know what it is it's way more easy to tolerate if it's at a home game yeah you get the crowd vibe if this was in Orlando and the magic was playing that poorly and get the shit kicked out of them it would it would feel awkward it would be like this is cringe I need to hear something just to make me feel not weird weird.

Speaker 9 Yeah, and it was also the way the game started, the 90 seconds that there was no announcer.

Speaker 24 I think it was Max Struz hit a three, and then Donovan Mitchell hit a three, and it was like the place was just fucking going nuts.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 33 I don't know what it says about me, but every time I watch the heat play, I'm like, Max Struce is definitely still on that team somewhere.

Speaker 18 I'm hoping Cleveland can win a series, because, you know, fun fact, little fun fact,

Speaker 28 the Cleveland Cavaliers, Dan Gilbert, has never won a playoff series without LeBron James.

Speaker 33 But he wrote that Comic Sans letter that told me that they were going to win a title before LeBron did.

Speaker 70 Yeah, he's never won a playoff series.

Speaker 33 Interesting.

Speaker 85 So actually, maybe the playoffs haven't started for him.

Speaker 43 They haven't started. He's never won a playoff series.

Speaker 33 Yeah,

Speaker 33 Cleveland's fun. And honestly, I think the Magic are fun.
They're a little bit young. They just kids.

Speaker 12 They need four.

Speaker 33 They need basketball. Make a couple additions here or there.
You know what? They need point guard. They need Mo Wagner.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Point guard.
Yeah.

Speaker 70 0 for 17 point guards.

Speaker 12 Tough.

Speaker 3 That's not great.

Speaker 71 I'm just excited to watch a series where it just,

Speaker 87 the total just keeps ticking lower and lower.

Speaker 12 I i think it was like 208 now it's the game two is 202 i wouldn't be shocked if we get to like the 190s low 190s because they're again a lot of great defense but also some not great shooting yeah uh okay next game we had on saturday sons and t-wolves just a general thought to before we talk basketball the t-wolves should just stick with their throwbacks Those are so clean.

Speaker 70 The center court,

Speaker 68 the home whites, they are so clean.

Speaker 33 Yeah, we go through this. It's like cyclical with a lot of teams where you long for their throwbacks, and then they are the last team to change up their old uniforms.

Speaker 33 And you're like, these look corny as hell, and you desperately want to change. And then 10 years goes by, you're like, damn, those were way better than these.

Speaker 88 Right, because I think their regular ones are just kind of like New Age, you know, with the font, like the blue and the lime green kind of thing.

Speaker 72 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Like Seahawks.

Speaker 33 They're kind of like Seahawks vibes. The old ones with the solid green, the green that's like Ninja Turtle green in your face.
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 28 This game,

Speaker 12 passing of the torch.

Speaker 33 Anthony Edwards is a legit superstar now.

Speaker 68 That was so awesome.

Speaker 89 That was such a great moment because if people missed it, Anthony Edwards played great.

Speaker 16 The T-Wolves were awesome, and he was talking so much shit to KD.

Speaker 75 And KD was kind of laughing about it.

Speaker 33 He couldn't do anything about it. He's like, yeah, you're right.
You're kind of dunking on me right now.

Speaker 85 And it wasn't KD's fault.

Speaker 22 KD played well.

Speaker 8 I think the Timberwolves were basically like, let's just let KD play ISO ball and eliminate Booker, who was a no-show.

Speaker 15 But

Speaker 28 it was a cool moment.

Speaker 39 And here's my fun stat.

Speaker 3 I have some fun stats for every game.

Speaker 24 Here's my fun stat for this game.

Speaker 75 Rudy Gobert had 16 rebounds.

Speaker 57 The Suns as a team had 28.

Speaker 33 It's pretty bad.

Speaker 6 It was crazy

Speaker 68 how many second shots the T-Wolves got and just were so much more physical.

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 15 why don't the Suns get more shit?

Speaker 33 Well, here's the thing about the Suns.

Speaker 33 They're missing Chris Paul.

Speaker 90 They are missing Chris Paul.

Speaker 33 They're missing Chris Paul big time. That's one.

Speaker 33 And then you've got a bunch of teams in the West that are now playing to determine who the real problem, who was the guy that was responsible for fucking up the entire Nets experiment.

Speaker 12 Yeah, but it doesn't.

Speaker 33 And KD,

Speaker 33 he's just not tough.

Speaker 91 But doesn't it feel...

Speaker 6 Well, he did play well.

Speaker 23 His teammates did not.

Speaker 68 Like, that's the point.

Speaker 54 It was.

Speaker 15 If you go down the list, right, if the Bucs go out early, that's a big story.

Speaker 68 Giannis goes out early.

Speaker 53 If the Clippers, oh, my God, another failed year.

Speaker 64 The Lakers, like, all these teams, the Celtics, they lose before the finals.

Speaker 85 I feel like if the Suns lose, everyone's like, oh, okay.

Speaker 79 Even though

Speaker 58 they are another big three, quote-unquote,

Speaker 32 with Beal, Booker, and Kevin Durant, I feel like they kind of skate by.

Speaker 92 Yeah. Again, there's an overreaction.

Speaker 32 They easily can win this series, although I don't know how they're going to rebound if Rudy Gobert is going to do that every game.

Speaker 33 Just two years ago, we had the Sons and Four guy. Yeah.
Sons were looking good.

Speaker 15 Remember him?

Speaker 33 Future looked bright. Yeah, that guy.

Speaker 12 He came on the show.

Speaker 49 Yeah, he came on the show.

Speaker 33 It was quite a moment. That guy was awesome.

Speaker 12 The guy was awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 33 But yeah,

Speaker 33 they were punishing, punishing the nuggets, right? Yeah. And how quickly things have changed.
Yeah. Obviously, injuries have a lot to do with that.
And you're right.

Speaker 33 Like, KD is, he's not the problem, but building a big three out of Booker, KD, and Beal,

Speaker 33 it's a soft big three. Right.

Speaker 77 It's the same. And they don't get in a lot of shit.

Speaker 12 I don't know.

Speaker 32 Like, if they get bounced in the first round, I don't know.

Speaker 40 Well, people are just like, oh, well, Katie's kind of old.

Speaker 33 They need somebody that can light a fire on them. They would actually.

Speaker 11 Timberlands are the higher seed.

Speaker 92 I understand, but the Suns are, when they were constructed, everyone's like, they're a problem.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 33 They need to get a psycho on that team.

Speaker 70 Booker needs to go up a level.

Speaker 25 That's all you got to say. Yeah.

Speaker 29 Whenever you have disappointments like that.

Speaker 33 I guess Grayson Allen's kind of a psycho, though. Grayson Allen's a good basketball.

Speaker 24 He just got paid a lot of money.

Speaker 23 All he does is hit threes, and he still wears those weird Forrest Gump ankle braces, which always make me laugh.

Speaker 66 He turned his ankle in this game.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 54 T. Wolves in four.

Speaker 2 Whoever wins game one is four.

Speaker 33 Five. Five.

Speaker 11 That'll go six or seven.

Speaker 60 Yeah, I do too.

Speaker 12 I know as well.

Speaker 12 Booker can't.

Speaker 66 Booker has to play better.

Speaker 8 What did he end up? I think he ended up with like 17 points, which you're he has the way they're built.

Speaker 4 The way they're built, like KD, Booker, Beale have to score 70 points at least.

Speaker 32 And so I'm putting that one on him. I'm not putting that one on KD.

Speaker 84 I'm putting that one on Booker.

Speaker 32 So maybe I'm the one who's soft and giving him a pass.

Speaker 12 Nick Sixers.

Speaker 95 What a game.

Speaker 12 Garden was rocking.

Speaker 96 I love.

Speaker 2 I was actually going to give Max.

Speaker 72 If the Sixers had won this game, I was going to give Max a big compliment because it felt like this was the dawning of a new Max.

Speaker 20 Because Embiid

Speaker 28 goes down on an awesome dunk.

Speaker 34 Looks like the season is over yet again.

Speaker 8 And then Max, I went to look and see if he was spiraling, and he just had Sixers' second half game of the year. Now, they end up losing the game, but they did cover the second half.

Speaker 24 Max, I think it honestly just comes down to the fact that the Knicks

Speaker 15 role players are better than the Sixers' role players.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I mean, it's game one.

Speaker 94 This is overreactions, though. Yeah,

Speaker 75 if you're

Speaker 55 in your face, 21 points.

Speaker 10 Deuce McBride going to do that every game?

Speaker 49 I I mean, if you were to say that.

Speaker 60 Tobias Harris is never going to do that.

Speaker 10 No, he's terrible. But, I mean, we had Nick Batum go for 25 the day before.

Speaker 10 They didn't show up yesterday.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 How many points did he have?

Speaker 33 I think he had three. Like three points? Yeah.

Speaker 12 And role players do play better at home in playoffs.

Speaker 43 So that's definitely part of it.

Speaker 54 Josh Hart scored more than he usually does.

Speaker 10 Josh Hart was made down

Speaker 10 in the end of the game, Josh Hart made every single shot.

Speaker 10 You're going to have games like that, that, and they won by seven points.

Speaker 33 I'm interested to know, like, mentally where you're at when you're watching this game.

Speaker 33 When Jalen Brunson does something awesome, is there like a quarter of a second where you're pumped up, and then you have to be like, oh, shit.

Speaker 82 Well, Brunson kind of played like shit.

Speaker 33 Yeah, but you know what I'm saying. He gave all the credit to Deuce McBride.

Speaker 33 When any of those Nova guys, when they do something cool for a second, just a second, are you like, oh, that was awesome?

Speaker 10 Josh Hart, no. Brunson,

Speaker 10 there's just a special place in my heart for Jalen Brunson. So it's tough, but like, no, he's the enemy right now.
He's the enemy.

Speaker 33 Dante, good Italian boy.

Speaker 10 I know. I love Dante, too.

Speaker 12 Dante.

Speaker 10 Valet his car

Speaker 15 when I was in college.

Speaker 14 Did you scratch it up?

Speaker 12 Whoa.

Speaker 68 I was joking.

Speaker 10 No, I was just thinking about it because

Speaker 10 I don't think he tipped, and I remember I was like,

Speaker 12 well, college kid.

Speaker 86 College kid. Yeah.

Speaker 15 College kid. Before NIL.

Speaker 10 Before NIL.

Speaker 31 NIL, he would have given you like $100,000.

Speaker 10 Well, he was going to a really nice steakhouse.

Speaker 65 Interesting.

Speaker 42 Oh, so Jay Wright maybe paying the players off the books?

Speaker 15 How is he affording that?

Speaker 12 What kind of car?

Speaker 10 It was the shittiest car ever.

Speaker 33 What did it smell like?

Speaker 15 I don't know.

Speaker 12 Probably smelled like a college kid's car. Okay.
What did weed?

Speaker 33 Like weed. It smelled like weed.
So Jay Wright had players getting free meals left and right and just not unboxing their cars. Not true.

Speaker 58 Yeah.

Speaker 59 So where's your head at for this series?

Speaker 12 But Embiid

Speaker 11 made a glass.

Speaker 11 Hank, I would like to get your take on Embiid what do you mean he came back in the game but like again I don't want to I don't want to be a hater but it's like this isn't even about you why like I was gonna ask

Speaker 11 him I asked for his thoughts because there's nothing better than when Hank can can smirk and just be right about this well the playoffs if you make it to the finals it's a long run like how many games do you think Embiid has in it one game in he's already yeah he's seven I don't think they're gonna win the fucking finals I'm just trying to take it one game at a time When he falls down, that's the new max.

Speaker 31 That's the new max.

Speaker 33 Every single time he falls down, you're like, oh, that's the end for Embiid. Yeah.

Speaker 33 Eight months. That's a problem.

Speaker 68 Go ahead, Max. What do you think?

Speaker 20 The allegations in Bi'd made a glass.

Speaker 12 Learned how to fall better.

Speaker 51 Remember when Max said that for like three months?

Speaker 10 No, that was the thing because everyone's like, he falls, he falls. But he was told to fall because it's better for injury than trying to brace the impact.

Speaker 84 But he also gets injured more than anyone in the world.

Speaker 10 That's not true.

Speaker 10 Anthony Davis gets injured all the time.

Speaker 33 Yeah, Max is stealing my take.

Speaker 33 Max was saying, like, yeah, he gets injured, and then five minutes later, you know, he's going to be back in. I was like, oh, it could be worse.
It could be Anthony Davis.

Speaker 33 Every time he gets injured, he leaves the game for 15 minutes and goes to the locker room.

Speaker 82 And then he comes back.

Speaker 33 You're like, oh, shit, I thought he was dead.

Speaker 33 Somehow he's out of here playing.

Speaker 12 I respect that.

Speaker 92 If you're boxed in as a fan, you got to just find someone else and be like, no, that guy.

Speaker 33 He's way worse. You're correct about that take, Max.

Speaker 10 Zion, too, always hurt.

Speaker 12 Zion, good point.

Speaker 15 Glass.

Speaker 86 Good point. Zion.

Speaker 10 And Joe came back and had a good game.

Speaker 68 Janta Porter's not even playing anymore?

Speaker 12 He could be

Speaker 81 gambling on games. He's got a lifetime ban.

Speaker 82 Didn't do that. Yeah,

Speaker 12 what about Giddy?

Speaker 33 How come we're not talking about Giddy? He's in the playoffs, too.

Speaker 12 Yeah, he should be playing.

Speaker 15 That was, shout out to our guy, Michael Malone, just giving Giddy a compliment.

Speaker 12 Unprompted. Yeah.

Speaker 85 It was all strictly on the court.

Speaker 33 Yeah. Yeah, he said he dealt with some stuff up

Speaker 33 between the lines.

Speaker 58 All right, so

Speaker 3 not made of glass.

Speaker 45 Okay, I have another question for you, Max.

Speaker 63 But he healed.

Speaker 10 He's a streaky shooter.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 58 Why doesn't he shoot?

Speaker 49 There isn't shoot.

Speaker 10 When Embiid is on the court, he's scared to shoot.

Speaker 44 It's crazy.

Speaker 18 He's there to shoot the basketball, and he doesn't shoot.

Speaker 10 There was one possession at the end of that game where it was just like an in-rhythm shot that we needed to go down.

Speaker 10 And then I think we ended up getting a shot clock because we just didn't get a shot. He doesn't shoot.

Speaker 75 I don't get it.

Speaker 8 His whole reason for being there is to shoot, and then he just won't shoot.

Speaker 12 Yeah. It's crazy.

Speaker 33 What are the fans in Philly going to chant?

Speaker 33 You can't chant MVP this year, obviously.

Speaker 33 When Maxie's shooting free throws, are they going to chant chant for most improved player.

Speaker 10 MIP. MIP?

Speaker 90 MIP.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I think M.I.P. P.E.
was awesome.

Speaker 33 MIP. He was good.

Speaker 82 Maxie is great.

Speaker 12 He was good last year, though.

Speaker 35 Why does he win the MIP?

Speaker 10 Well,

Speaker 10 he wasn't as good last year.

Speaker 63 No, I know, but he was good.

Speaker 11 Yeah, it's really just going from the number three.

Speaker 42 It's all relative, yeah.

Speaker 33 Last year you said build around Maxie, and I made fun of you for that, and I would like to rescind that take.

Speaker 33 He is very good.

Speaker 33 Actually, no, I don't rescind that take because he's very good now. He's the most improved player for a reason.
Back when I said it, I was right. And now I'm right for acknowledging that he is good.

Speaker 10 Credit to you. Credit to you.

Speaker 12 Yeah, credit to you. Huge credit to you.

Speaker 11 Do you think that the Sixers coaching staff and players goes over end-of-game situations? And, like, you know, if you're down five with 45 seconds left, the only way to win is to foul.

Speaker 35 Yeah, but teams don't foul in the NBA. It's crazy.

Speaker 61 They just don't.

Speaker 65 You get distorted watching college basketball where it's like they'll start fouling with three minutes left.

Speaker 11 I don't understand it. It was mathematically impossible.

Speaker 22 I agree with you.

Speaker 15 They don't.

Speaker 11 They were playing defense to hope to get the ball back with like seven seconds left to then have to hit a three, to then have to get the ball back.

Speaker 56 Don't do it.

Speaker 33 Because Nick Nurse says that he has some tricks ready to go.

Speaker 12 Oh, he's got some tricks.

Speaker 33 I don't know what Nick Nurse's tricks are going to be, but reports are out there that he has established tricks and discussed some tricks.

Speaker 10 The quote, Nick Batum hinting potential. Tricky stuff.
Tricky stuff for game two adjustments for Nick Nurse.

Speaker 10 Last night we know what we did wrong, and we found a way, I think, this morning to do something special with us.

Speaker 33 I won't tell you what. Tricky stuff.

Speaker 15 Would

Speaker 3 doing tricks, finding tricks, is that one step ahead, like before the panic button?

Speaker 33 I'd say if you're finding, that's a panic move.

Speaker 12 Yeah, right. Yeah.

Speaker 75 Like to have to go game two, we need the tricks.

Speaker 33 Yeah. You can't beat them straight off.

Speaker 70 We got to throw some sand in there.

Speaker 33 Okay, Joel, you're going to get on your hands and knees and bark like a dog, and then they'll look at you, and then Max will just drive to the hole and don't get it.

Speaker 32 See if we had a ladder underneath the arena we can hit him with. Yeah.

Speaker 12 We've got to get the tricks. One games.
He's watching Blobetrotter stand and I move.

Speaker 15 Tricks. One game.

Speaker 94 If it's early to go to the tricks.

Speaker 81 Yeah, but like, what if the tricks are awesome?

Speaker 96 So, where are you on your,

Speaker 12 well, we won't say panic button.

Speaker 23 Where are you on the tricks meter?

Speaker 1 I mean, you need all the tricks right now? This is a must-trix.

Speaker 33 Yeah, you must tricks. Six are going to win the series.

Speaker 12 Six is going to win the series.

Speaker 10 I think it was plus $250.

Speaker 21 Soul patch?

Speaker 90 No.

Speaker 10 No, I'm already really invested,

Speaker 16 so I don't think that I have to do any bets.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 57 I do think, I did want to commend you, though.

Speaker 16 I feel like it's a dawning of a new match.

Speaker 74 You were way more.

Speaker 10 Yeah, no, it's something about the Knicks. Like, I don't know.
Knicks fans are annoying, and they get so cocky, and I'm like.

Speaker 12 Now, you want to talk about it?

Speaker 11 They also haven't won shit. It's kind of like Spider-Man.

Speaker 60 Hank is just loving every second of this.

Speaker 12 Hank should be able to talk about it.

Speaker 63 Hank's literally scheduling his

Speaker 12 trips to Denver.

Speaker 33 The New York Knicks are the absolute.

Speaker 96 They're in the booth.

Speaker 33 They're legendary. They're incredible.
Their fan base is awesome at winning a playoff game and then getting way ahead of themselves. And I love it.

Speaker 33 So they started the We Want Boston chant for this game.

Speaker 67 That's not even next round.

Speaker 15 No.

Speaker 33 Rin free, Hank.

Speaker 10 I mean, they shut down 7th Ave after they won one game against the Hawks and lost the series in five.

Speaker 78 Yeah, but it was sick, those videos.

Speaker 12 Also, Big Ball.

Speaker 33 Also, that was the crowning of future superstar Trey Young in that series.

Speaker 12 That's a fact.

Speaker 28 That's a fact.

Speaker 79 Okay, the night game.

Speaker 68 Lakers-Nuggets.

Speaker 36 I fucking love the Lakers and Nuggets because it's literally the same thing every time.

Speaker 55 Lakers come out to a lead.

Speaker 1 LeBron has a great first quarter. If you look at just the stats, you could tell yourself that Anthony Davis and Jokic

Speaker 54 were like played to a stalemate.

Speaker 31 But if you watch the game, Jokic controlled everything, and the Nuggets...

Speaker 54 Like,

Speaker 50 as soon as the Lakers need someone other than Anthony Davis or LeBron James to do something, the Nuggets just like kick their ass and they win by what they end up winning by.

Speaker 28 They won't be won by 11, and everyone's like, Lakers are so close.

Speaker 12 Yeah, well, the first half, yeah, the first half. That's what happens in every one of these games.

Speaker 33 The first half was really close, and then

Speaker 33 if you know ball at all, you load up on the Nuggets in the second half because it's not sustainable what they're doing.

Speaker 33 The Nuggets, they can just beat you in too many ways, and Jokic is just too smart of a guy to let you do the exact same thing for two halves and get away with it.

Speaker 3 It's actually really nice that the Nuggets do this for the discourse because everyone just gets to go out on their shows and be like, Lakers are right there.

Speaker 6 They're so close.

Speaker 12 Which I like.

Speaker 33 No, I love it actually because it allows us to then be very disappointed in LeBron when it doesn't happen.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean, like they

Speaker 33 trick you into thinking that they're good enough to compete and good enough to beat the Nuggets. The Nuggets are just on a completely different level from them.

Speaker 33 They played probably like a B, B minus game and won by 11.

Speaker 39 And it's, and it's, and look, we like Nick Wright.

Speaker 9 He's a friend of ours, but like he does his like first quarter.

Speaker 20 He's like, no one's ever going to see this again with LeBron James.

Speaker 91 LeBron, it's insane what LeBron is doing at 39.

Speaker 3 He does not have the stamina to do it for four quarters.

Speaker 83 Like, you saw it.

Speaker 15 He scored, I think, maybe two or four points in garbage time with

Speaker 12 under a minute left in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 75 He runs out of gas, and no one else, like, the other guys have to do stuff, and they're not able to.

Speaker 85 D'Angelo Russell was terrible.

Speaker 12 And he's got it.

Speaker 41 And they just, also, I like the Lakers just stop running plays when, like, as soon as, as soon as some, as soon as Jokic starts taking over the game, they're like, all right, let's just go start chucking some threes and hope this works.

Speaker 33 And it doesn't work. We just get hot.

Speaker 33 We turn into

Speaker 33 just one half. We just, if we're up by any points or if we're tied at halftime, let's just try to get to the second.
And all we have to do is win one half. And anyone can get hot for a half.

Speaker 33 So everyone just keeps shooting it. Somebody's going to be hot.
Hopefully that'll work its way out. It's not going to work its way out against the Nuggets.

Speaker 75 It's just,

Speaker 61 I love these two teams playing against each other because it's the same game every single time.

Speaker 8 And it's, did you see,

Speaker 4 I got to find it.

Speaker 57 Jamel Hill's tweet from last year has become a meme that people were

Speaker 51 using and were copying and everyone was very like people were confused.

Speaker 73 She said this last year.

Speaker 68 A win is a win. I think it was after game one.

Speaker 9 But if I'm Denver, I treat this like a loss.

Speaker 23 Lakers figured out something by putting Hachimura on Jokic.

Speaker 15 That's one of those somewhat small adjustments that can win a series.

Speaker 12 No, it's not.

Speaker 91 No, it's not.

Speaker 43 The Nuggets are better than the Lakers.

Speaker 33 Yeah, Hachimura is not. Sorry, Hank, he's not the Jokic stopper.
You have to keep looking for somebody else. Because it's not going to be anybody on this Lakers team.

Speaker 56 Like, I don't know, LeBron and Anthony Davis.

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 11 some little magic. You know what I mean?

Speaker 63 Like,

Speaker 53 if you look at the box score, you're like, Anthony Davis, he was very good.

Speaker 31 And you're like, oh, okay, he went toe for toe.

Speaker 9 He ended up with 32, 14, and 5.

Speaker 34 And Jokic was

Speaker 27 32, 12, and 7.

Speaker 12 So you're like, oh, that's what you got.

Speaker 34 Anthony Davis played Jokic to his, but that's just not, if you watch the game, Jokic just controls everything.

Speaker 46 The game is in the palm of his hands.

Speaker 33 The series, frankly, was over when Jokic stepped out of his car wearing the outfit from Despicable Me. Dude.
He was dressed up as Grew before the game.

Speaker 39 I love him so much.

Speaker 24 The fact that he doesn't really do that much advertising and then he was like, you know what?

Speaker 32 Yeah,

Speaker 67 I'm going to be the

Speaker 24 main advertiser for Despicable Me 4.

Speaker 12 Yeah, it was great. It was fucking awesome.
It was awesome.

Speaker 33 And I actually kind of like his commercial where he's talking about

Speaker 33 saving up miles to go to Serbia. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 18 But yeah, the Despicable Me promo was awesome.

Speaker 79 And all the, what do they call them?

Speaker 49 The Minions.

Speaker 12 The Minions.

Speaker 76 I've watched it.

Speaker 70 It's actually a very funny movie.

Speaker 33 Trust me, I've never seen it.

Speaker 32 I watched it with my kids, and

Speaker 11 it's a great, massively, massively successful movie.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 47 It's a perfect

Speaker 15 kids' movie because the minions fall and they bump their heads and they speak gibberish.

Speaker 89 So it's like a lot of

Speaker 33 kids' laughs. Yeah, would I be totally lost if I just watched minions without watching despicable me wait no the

Speaker 12 no minions have their own movies oh

Speaker 81 I think I might have watched that dressed up too they have their own route at Universal

Speaker 33 See I just want to Minions is the most recent one.

Speaker 12 I just wanted to show more? I think there's multiple Minions. Which one did I watch?

Speaker 33 You might have watched Jesus.

Speaker 11 Minions was the one everyone dressed up in like tuxedos too.

Speaker 59 I think I just watched Minions.

Speaker 82 I went to the movies.

Speaker 33 I might just hop right in, just cold turkey right into Minions without any of the lore or the backstory. I watched minions memes is raising his hand.
Yes, memes, you may talk.

Speaker 99 Minions is a prequel to Despicable Me.

Speaker 100 Yeah, because is Minions the one where

Speaker 70 they show like the history of time with the Minions?

Speaker 50 Yeah, they I saw Minions. Great movie.

Speaker 41 In England, and they meet Lil Grew, and then they do like a Forrest Gump Minions.

Speaker 81 So Max pulled up the official timeline.

Speaker 80 So there was the original Despicable Me in 2010, and then there were two Minions versions that are prequels, but they were filmed out of order.

Speaker 33 Filmed.

Speaker 67 Well, they were released out of order.

Speaker 12 It's based on a true story. It's true, yeah.

Speaker 33 Yeah. It's a documentary.

Speaker 12 The second of the story.

Speaker 33 Wait, wait, so you're implying that there's an entire minion verse that exists just like the normal universe does, where everything that happens in our life also happens to the minions.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 33 So, like, 9-11 happened to.

Speaker 75 No, they did. They went through it all.

Speaker 12 Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 82 Like JFK. Yes.

Speaker 33 A minion JFK.

Speaker 31 There were many good minions.

Speaker 33 Yeah. On all sides.
sides.

Speaker 69 Larry Nance just scored his eighth point.

Speaker 33 Turns into Squidward.

Speaker 4 I just love that.

Speaker 68 I love this Lakers-Nuggets series.

Speaker 69 Do you think the Lakers can do it?

Speaker 12 Hank?

Speaker 11 I want to believe.

Speaker 68 I mean, I'll look really stupid, but I just think that I think the Nuggets...

Speaker 3 I think the Nuggets are...

Speaker 45 We do it all the time in sports where a team won a title and then they maybe aren't as dominant the next year and everyone's like trying to poke holes.

Speaker 74 And it's like the Nuggets, when it's they're all healthy and it's those five guys, they're just really fucking good.

Speaker 11 Yeah, they're a problem.

Speaker 11 I'll be just rooting best case or you know, at the very least, just for some six, seven game series.

Speaker 33 You get tired.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 33 Yeah. You want to see you're already doing the

Speaker 19 rest like you want to wear down.

Speaker 23 We're two months away from the NBA Finals.

Speaker 11 Yeah, hopefully it's two months of war.

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 33 Hank wants Jokic after like three games to be talking about going back to his horses already.

Speaker 16 Some are saying you're kind of scared because why wouldn't you're good?

Speaker 15 No, but if you're so good, why wouldn't you say, hey, we're so good, we don't care however we get there, whoever we play, however much rest they have, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 27 We're the best team.

Speaker 92 You're already trying to do, you're actually on, you're one step away from Panic Button.

Speaker 1 You're trying to do tricks.

Speaker 76 You're doing tricks on it, little bro.

Speaker 11 No, I'm giving the Nuggets the respect they deserve.

Speaker 33 Low-key glazing them.

Speaker 56 Yeah.

Speaker 11 They're fucking good.

Speaker 12 Yeah, they are.

Speaker 33 They're really good. And the thing about, like, we talked about, this was Michael Malone, excuse me, when we interviewed him last week.

Speaker 33 But I don't think they've reached the point where anybody really hates the Nuggets, right, on a national level. No.
We're still like,

Speaker 33 this is beautiful basketball to watch. Unhatable.
They're fun. I think

Speaker 33 they got two more chips in them before they become hatable.

Speaker 23 I don't even know how you would hate.

Speaker 65 Where would you start with Jokic to hate him?

Speaker 11 The Jokic brothers, a little shady.

Speaker 56 No. No.

Speaker 11 Michael Porter Jr., a little shady. No.
Family, a little bit of a joke.

Speaker 12 He's a great guy.

Speaker 68 Shout out Michael Porter Jr.

Speaker 30 because him having, like, I would not stand in front of the media and take that question where they were like, hey, so one of your brothers going to jail and the other one just got the NBA.

Speaker 31 How are you feeling?

Speaker 59 And he answered it like very well, very eloquently.

Speaker 28 He gets my MVP on the weekend.

Speaker 33 I think he said, like, I have 12 brothers in this locker room with me.

Speaker 69 I think he said 15.

Speaker 31 He was doing the math in his head.

Speaker 68 Okay.

Speaker 37 Like, wait, we got G-League two-way guys.

Speaker 33 Yeah, the trainers.

Speaker 33 Yeah, no, they're definitely, they're not even close to being hatable. The only way that Jokic will become hateable is in the Patrick Mahomes vein, where you don't hate him because he's a bad guy.

Speaker 33 You hate him because he just prevents you from winning championships. Yeah.

Speaker 31 Hank, true Serum Hank.

Speaker 1 Can I do a True Serum Hank segment?

Speaker 11 Also, quickly say before, if the Lakers get blown out next game, LeBron will not finish a series.

Speaker 12 Oh,

Speaker 11 he'll pull an injury.

Speaker 56 He did it Saturday night.

Speaker 11 I think him and Anthony Davis missed like four layups in a row at the end of the game. And I said it out loud.
I was like, LeBron's going to, this is fake injury territory.

Speaker 11 And the next play, he fell, held his arm, and was on the ground doing the thing where he was looking around to see if people bought how injured he was acting, and then got up. It was fine.

Speaker 12 All right, True Serum Hank.

Speaker 83 You have to answer this as truthfully as you can.

Speaker 32 How many injuries are you rooting for?

Speaker 56 None.

Speaker 12 None. None.

Speaker 11 I don't want to win like that.

Speaker 54 That can't be zero.

Speaker 11 No, I don't want to.

Speaker 11 You can't put that into the world. You truly can't.

Speaker 10 You basically were just saying that you wanted MB to get hurt.

Speaker 12 No, I was pointing.

Speaker 78 You know, that's like saying that the sun will rise.

Speaker 11 Yeah, no, I'm not, I don't want MB to get hurt. I can just look at data and history and acknowledge that he is made of glass.

Speaker 11 Like, the stats and the fact every playoff series, he's, you know, out of gas, hurt, whatever it may be. He just doesn't.

Speaker 4 Bring up those stats.

Speaker 12 Yeah, Hank. All right, Hank, Wednesday.

Speaker 12 Give us a report.

Speaker 12 Wednesday, he'll give us a report.

Speaker 10 The playoff injury stats.

Speaker 33 Just to put a little bow on.

Speaker 11 What about just when he was out of shape?

Speaker 10 You said injury.

Speaker 40 Out of shape isn't classic.

Speaker 11 Mental injury.

Speaker 33 To put a bow on what Hank said earlier regarding the NHL, the Maple Leafs Bruins, Max sent this over. This is a very funny stat.
So in the postseason, the Maple Leafs and the Bruins, Toronto has won

Speaker 33 40 games. Boston has won 42.
So Boston just barely edges the Leafs out. They're tied with eight series wins each.
And then at the bottom of the screen, you look at it.

Speaker 33 The last time the Maple Leaves beat the Bruins in a series was 1959.

Speaker 12 Wow.

Speaker 28 So domination.

Speaker 33 Domination. Spanking.

Speaker 56 Yes.

Speaker 12 Spanking.

Speaker 12 All right.

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Speaker 28 Sunday.

Speaker 8 Sunday, Sunday, Sunday.

Speaker 78 Celtics.

Speaker 12 Heat.

Speaker 36 Apologies, the, well, Mr.

Speaker 24 Pear

Speaker 66 and the Bulls choked on Friday night.

Speaker 59 Can I,

Speaker 3 since we didn't have a show after Friday night, permission to just see red for a minute here?

Speaker 12 Yes.

Speaker 15 A real quick minute.

Speaker 70 The Chicago Bulls are a joke of an organization.

Speaker 30 Jerry Reinsdorf is one of the worst owners, if not the worst,

Speaker 74 in the NBA.

Speaker 75 He's a fucking clown.

Speaker 45 And

Speaker 4 I need people to understand because what happens with a franchise like the Bulls, because they have the history of Michael Jordan and the six titles, and they, you know, had Derek Rose, who that was a, just to remind you, it was a 1.7% chance to win that lottery.

Speaker 4 It was the second longest odds ever.

Speaker 51 I think the Shaq lottery was the longest for the Magic.

Speaker 3 So they had Michael Jordan, and other than that, they like to sell on nostalgia and nothing else and not put out a competent, competitive basketball team.

Speaker 59 I have some stats for you because I want people to realize that Jerry Reinsdorf is so, so bad.

Speaker 68 And because of the history of the Bulls, you think that organization isn't that bad, but they are that bad and they are that pathetic.

Speaker 19 And Jerry Reinsdorf should be put on blast all the time on a national media basis everywhere because he's a joke.

Speaker 8 So in a league where more than half the teams make the playoffs, that's not even counting the play-in.

Speaker 43 I'm saying

Speaker 70 more than half the teams make the playoffs

Speaker 20 because I think it was 30 teams and 16 teams make the playoffs.

Speaker 7 The Chicago Bulls have made the playoffs two times in the last nine seasons.

Speaker 72 Two times.

Speaker 24 They're back-to-back 9-10 game champions, and that's it.

Speaker 64 So they've made the playoffs two times in the last nine seasons.

Speaker 9 Since 2014-15, which was the last Tibbs, Derrick Rose, Jimmy Butler year,

Speaker 12 they have won three total playoff games, three playoff games.

Speaker 68 They have more playoff wins in the last nine years than just two franchises in the NBA, the Magic and the Pistons.

Speaker 68 They have more playoff appearances in the last nine years than just two franchises, the Kings and the Hornets.

Speaker 41 If you told someone Kings, Hornets, I know the Kings have turned it around the last two years, but Kings, Hornets, Magic, Pistons, people don't put the Bulls in that group.

Speaker 31 The Bulls are in that group.

Speaker 2 They should actually be very much in that group.

Speaker 53 They're a fucking joke.

Speaker 12 I went through it.

Speaker 91 If you took out

Speaker 1 the two Boylan years, which were Jim Boylan was one of the worst coaches ever, the Bulls were not trying.

Speaker 66 The last 12 seasons since Derek Rose got hurt, the Bulls are averaging how many wins a year?

Speaker 33 35.

Speaker 36 41, which is by design.

Speaker 75 That's exactly what they want.

Speaker 39 Here's a quote from Jerry Reinsdorf.

Speaker 12 You ready for this?

Speaker 73 Sports

Speaker 68 is a business of failure, but the fact that you finished second or third or fourth, it doesn't mean you had a bad year.

Speaker 73 Yeah, I think the important thing to fans is, well, they want you to win championships.

Speaker 89 They want you to know that when they get down to the last month of the season, you still have a shot.

Speaker 48 You're still playing meaningful games.

Speaker 46 If you can do that consistently, you'll make your fans happy.

Speaker 77 This is all by design.

Speaker 33 Define meaningful.

Speaker 44 Yes, it means get into the playoffs.

Speaker 33 Do you think the plan

Speaker 33 that qualifies, that checks the box off for him, is being a meaningful? Because essentially you're playing a mini playoff series.

Speaker 68 He does not care about winning titles. He cares about winning 41 games, having some games down the the stretch where people can tune in and be like, will the Bulls make the playoffs?

Speaker 18 And the reason why he does that is because nine out of the last 10 years, not counting the two COVID years, the Chicago Bulls have led the NBA in attendance.

Speaker 6 He does not give a fuck.

Speaker 88 He wants to build a team to never go over the luxury tax.

Speaker 7 The Bulls are the only team in the NBA who have not made a single move at the trade deadline in the last three years.

Speaker 26 That's the whole design.

Speaker 46 The whole design is to put out a team that is exceedingly mediocre to get people into the stands and to never actually try to win a championship.

Speaker 33 Well, he's focusing all of his energy on the White Sox and building them up.

Speaker 1 But he's a joke.

Speaker 5 I just want to I want people to realize because it does trick you when you think of the Bulls and you think of MJ.

Speaker 102 They are no different than the Pistons,

Speaker 75 than the Magic who are in the playoffs, who've actually built it.

Speaker 68 And actually, those teams, the Pistons, the Magic, the Hornets, the Kings, they have actually at least been bad enough for stretches where they get top three picks.

Speaker 68 The Bulls' only chance of getting a top three pick is getting a 1.7 lottery shot where they get Derrick Rose, and then they blame his injury on the next 10 years.

Speaker 71 And they are a joke of an organization.

Speaker 68 Jerry Reinsorf is the worst owner.

Speaker 36 He's a piece of shit.

Speaker 68 He does not care about winning.

Speaker 46 He just wants to take your money, have you sit in there and be like, oh, they won 41 games.

Speaker 68 Maybe they have a shot.

Speaker 28 Fans are smarter than that now.

Speaker 9 They never had a shot.

Speaker 57 It was a joke what happened against the Heat.

Speaker 73 They would have gotten killed by the Celtics.

Speaker 8 It doesn't matter. They suck.

Speaker 68 Jerry Reinsorf, fuck you, dude.

Speaker 33 That's what I respect about European soccer fans is when the owners fuck with them like this, they like riot.

Speaker 33 They'll show up with flares. They'll throw eggs at the guy's car on the street.
In America, we're just like, yeah, this sucks.

Speaker 2 He's literally admitting that he does not care.

Speaker 61 He just

Speaker 20 wants to sell tickets

Speaker 23 and be just good enough to be average.

Speaker 33 To a certain extent for him, playoff series kind of get in the way of his jet-setting lifestyle. Yeah.

Speaker 32 No, I mean, I'd rather not work. Friday night, I was talking with a bunch of friends.

Speaker 39 Like, okay, I want them to win because I like some of these guys on the team, but also Jerry Reinsorf wants nothing more than to have two more ticket gates for playoff games that he has no chance of winning that series.

Speaker 57 Like that's a dream for him.

Speaker 37 So, all right, that was my C red.

Speaker 68 Celtics, heat.

Speaker 33 Sorry, Hannah. You know what sucks, too, is like the fact that they sometimes occasionally will win a play-in game.
Right. Everybody gets like a momentary, like, they get gassed up by that.
Right.

Speaker 33 And they're like, that was a really fun night of basketball. I can't believe that Kobe White did that.
That was so much fun. It's fun to be a Bulls fan.
And you get this temporary fix.

Speaker 33 It's like a little tiny hit. But then if you step back and you look at what that game was, it was nothing.
It was the most inconsequential. The stats don't even count.

Speaker 33 That stat will never show up in NBA history. It was nothing.
It was a fun night.

Speaker 33 You might have had fun watching the Bulls for that one night, but at the same time, it's like a band-aid that's on a grenade wound.

Speaker 12 Yeah, it's nothing.

Speaker 15 And they're going to do, they're probably going to, here's what they're going to do.

Speaker 3 They're going to probably re-sign DeMar DeRosan, who I like DeMar DeRosan, great guy, great player, 34 years old, whose game doesn't fit in the modern NBA.

Speaker 46 They're going to re-sign DeMar DeRosan and then be like, Lonzo Ball will fix everything, even though he hasn't played basketball in two and a half years.

Speaker 82 He'll be okay.

Speaker 12 That's what's going to happen. Made out of glass.
Fix the shot. And then guess what they're going to do? They're going to win 38 games and lose in the playing game.

Speaker 9 And it's going to be like, and it's just, it is actually the worst place you can be as a franchise, what Jerry Reinsdorf has built, where it's like, you're never actually competing and and you're also never tanking to the point where you can rebuild your roster.

Speaker 33 Yeah, you want to have a plan.

Speaker 63 Well, the plan is his plan is.

Speaker 78 He does have a plan.

Speaker 2 He's working his plan perfectly.

Speaker 33 But his plan doesn't make sense. Right.
Is the thing.

Speaker 33 If you have a crummy team, you want to be the worst.

Speaker 33 Like with the Wizards, for me, it's like that's why I always call them the most inconsequential team in professional sports because for the longest time,

Speaker 33 they were never relevant to really a playoff conversation at all, but they were also never really irrelevant enough to get that top pick like what you're describing.

Speaker 33 Now, all it takes is just sign Jordan Poole for a season. Yeah.
And then next thing you know, you're in the lottery.

Speaker 4 And guess what?

Speaker 19 The Wizards, I'm going to try to find where I found all the stats.

Speaker 24 The Wizards have won more series.

Speaker 28 Yeah, because we had into the playoffs more times.

Speaker 15 John Wall, we had Paul Pierce.

Speaker 33 That was a fun team then.

Speaker 46 That's the whole point of this rant: I want people to stop thinking of the Bulls.

Speaker 15 And maybe people already do, but I think if you ask like 100 people, like the Bulls, they'd be like, oh, they're not a bad franchise.

Speaker 12 No, they are.

Speaker 32 They're a bad franchise.

Speaker 76 Hanks, Celtics. Sorry.

Speaker 42 They're so much better than the Heat.

Speaker 33 Seeing Green.

Speaker 16 You don't have to worry about this series at all.

Speaker 11 Yeah, unless they try and take out our best players.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Oh,

Speaker 58 is that?

Speaker 15 They call the hit-in? Got it.

Speaker 80 That's why I was talking about the injury.

Speaker 75 Got it.

Speaker 68 That's why you said you're rooting for zero injuries.

Speaker 12 Got it. Great.
Got it. Okay.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 That makes sense.

Speaker 11 The Celtics were up 16 with like a minute and a half left. Heat called a timeout.
Kind of weird move.

Speaker 11 And then like a play or two later,

Speaker 11 Caleb Martin came in super low on Tatum getting a rebound.

Speaker 84 Scared you? Yeah.

Speaker 33 It was a scary fall.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 33 And then

Speaker 33 it was Jalen that got in his face, right?

Speaker 11 But yeah, weird, weird timing with the timeout, kind of a weird-looking play.

Speaker 3 Appropriate response by the Celtics?

Speaker 49 Yeah, I mean, you need enough guys.

Speaker 11 Missoula and Missoula after they asked him about it, and he was like, I was loving it.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Oh, he said that.
He was like, yeah.

Speaker 7 Fucking Missoula. If you didn't didn't listen to our interview with Missoula on Friday, go back and listen to it because he is the man.

Speaker 11 I was excited for him to choke me out.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 33 Please put that on a quote card. Yeah.
But don't say who he's talking about.

Speaker 33 That man to choke me out.

Speaker 33 But that was one of those interviews where there were so many crazy things that he said that I absolutely loved that people didn't know what crazy thing to write an entire article about.

Speaker 11 Right.

Speaker 12 Yeah, we had a bunch of articles written where it was just, and this, and this, the revolving door. Yeah.

Speaker 33 but um, but to Hank's point on that play, Jake, is this heat culture where you're sending in goons to try to tabletop somebody and get a neck injury?

Speaker 56 Sounds like it.

Speaker 80 Well, if it was intentional, obviously I disavow, but if it wasn't intentional, then they're just pointing the finger for no reason. There's no proof.

Speaker 11 What did you think when you saw the play?

Speaker 81 It looked like a basketball play.

Speaker 12 Oh, he was looking at the hoop,

Speaker 11 looking for the rebound under in Jason's like leg goochie,

Speaker 11 his leg, his leg armpit.

Speaker 10 Jason's Drew Holiday may have pushed him into him.

Speaker 12 That's what other people were saying, too. Yeah.

Speaker 28 Hank, is it.

Speaker 67 Yeah, he pushed him.

Speaker 3 Is it weird that you spent the whole season, or at least the last two months of the season, being like, get us to the playoffs?

Speaker 52 Because we already clinched the number one seed. We're the best team in the NBA.

Speaker 29 This is all fodder.

Speaker 30 And now you're in the playoffs, and it feels like it's the same thing where it's like, get you to the...

Speaker 45 get you to the conference finals because like the heat are just not i mean i i don't know if they could if they would win this series with Jimmy Butler, but without Jimmy Butler, they just do not have the offense.

Speaker 45 No.

Speaker 11 Yeah, I mean, again, I'm definitely thinking ahead.

Speaker 11 It does feel, you know, brings me back to the old Patriots days, not here anymore, but it is

Speaker 11 first series formality.

Speaker 11 Even if you lose in the conference finals, it's a failure of a season. Just get me to this, get me to the base.

Speaker 10 You can't say Patriots when you haven't won yet.

Speaker 11 No, I'm saying, Max, it feels like how it feels.

Speaker 11 Max does understand that as a Patriots fan, when every year they're the the best team in the regular season, and you're not thinking about, you're thinking about the Super Bowl.

Speaker 11 You're looking at the other conference, thinking about Super Bowl matchups.

Speaker 11 You just bypass the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 33 I mean, I think that's completely fair, given the road that the Celtics will have to go through.

Speaker 33 You should just want to get through this one. I would actually say, what do you think the over-under is for Celtics' losses before the NBA Finals? Six and a half? Seven and a half?

Speaker 56 They'll have some wonky losses.

Speaker 12 Six and a half? I would hammer that up. Five and a half? No.

Speaker 12 Bucks might come up. Before the finals?

Speaker 11 The Bucks might give them a couple games.

Speaker 12 Yeah, for the finals.

Speaker 33 All the Eastern Conference.

Speaker 37 I'd set it at four and a half.

Speaker 56 Four and a half.

Speaker 54 Because I don't think they're going to lose a game here.

Speaker 68 Maybe say one.

Speaker 8 I don't think they would lose more than one to the Cavs or the Magic.

Speaker 33 I think the number is five and a half.

Speaker 3 But if they lose, I think they'll lose maybe one here, one in the second round, and then they would just have to win in six in the Eastern Conference final.

Speaker 42 That'd be four.

Speaker 33 I think they're going to lose one.

Speaker 33 They might lose two next round. I don't know.

Speaker 30 I don't think so.

Speaker 33 It's going to be easy for them.

Speaker 33 My point is. No injuries.
You're actually right to think this way.

Speaker 12 I know. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 33 But then all you have to worry about is certainly hope that no one else gets injured on the Western side.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 11 No, we need fucking LeBron and A.D., two top five players in the world.

Speaker 12 This one's the greatest player of all time.

Speaker 33 I know it's not going to happen. I would love to have the Lakers.

Speaker 11 I will wear a LeBron Lakers jersey on this show for a week.

Speaker 23 If Chet Holmgren was just an all-time block there in a big moment, we're watching the end of this game, all that's going on.

Speaker 16 We'll talk about it in a second.

Speaker 15 Hank, so to go back to my question, you are like, this is kind of, like, I know you're getting up for these games, but you're also just, it's just like, get to the next round.

Speaker 11 And don't get hurt. You're watching these games.
Like,

Speaker 11 you know, I was ready for them to pull them when they got up 30. The heat came back a little bit, but seeing a fall like that with a minute left, you know, in a meaningless game is terrifying.

Speaker 33 SGA just had an incredible shot there.

Speaker 68 Yeah, that that was actually like

Speaker 68 30 seconds of the Thunder's future flashing before our eyes, and it looks fucking awesome.

Speaker 23 Chet Holmgren with an enormous block, and then SGA with an awesome man-1.

Speaker 12 Sim could beat the Nuggets.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's already doing the.

Speaker 47 Hank was like, Chet Holmgren can lock down Jokic.

Speaker 33 He needs to gain probably 60 pounds.

Speaker 31 No one can lock down Jokic. That's the thing about Jokic.

Speaker 11 Stretch him out.

Speaker 83 But if you say Jokic, you can't score, he's going to be like, okay, I'll have 25 assists. And they'd be like, Jokic, you can score.

Speaker 66 It's like, okay, then I'll score 30 points.

Speaker 12 He's a problem. He's a problem.

Speaker 68 Okay, so good job.

Speaker 57 Good win.

Speaker 12 Thanks.

Speaker 65 Yeah, not worried about this series. No.

Speaker 19 Next game, Wednesday, that's the worst.

Speaker 97 And then they have three games in four days.

Speaker 80 I've never seen a back-to-back in the NBA playoffs.

Speaker 49 Have you?

Speaker 12 That's crazy. Yeah, I think they've been.

Speaker 82 Yeah,

Speaker 11 there's like arena shit.

Speaker 45 Yeah.

Speaker 89 Sorry that the Bulls suck because I know you wanted to go to.

Speaker 68 I would have gone to that game with you on Saturday. Yeah.

Speaker 82 And you would have spanked me.

Speaker 16 Choked out.

Speaker 66 We would have gotten choked out by Joe Mazzula.

Speaker 15 Okay.

Speaker 26 Mavs, Clippers.

Speaker 15 I got bamboozled.

Speaker 33 By the Mavs?

Speaker 95 Yeah, I mean, Kawhi out.

Speaker 12 Yeah. You know what I forgot?

Speaker 15 Well, you know what I forgot?

Speaker 3 And we need to just remind ourselves this.

Speaker 22 James Harden,

Speaker 22 I went through it.

Speaker 93 I didn't add up all the stats, but if you look at it, just perusing it, James Harden, when he has rest, basically every game one, he's awesome.

Speaker 78 And he was awesome.

Speaker 5 He just has a lot of rest.

Speaker 14 He feels awesome.

Speaker 68 He scores a lot of points. He's awesome.

Speaker 9 And then game two happens, you know, two days later, and he's tired.

Speaker 33 And Paul George back on his bully shit. Yeah.
Yeah, the Clippers look good. Steve Ballmer was having a great time on the sports side, too.
Just fucking pumped for everything.

Speaker 8 He was.

Speaker 29 And we even had like the fake Dallas comeback that made it look a little bit close for a minute there.

Speaker 68 Luca got his points.

Speaker 32 He got everything.

Speaker 33 But yeah, Luca did get his points.

Speaker 12 Well, that's the thing, the comeback, yeah, where it was,

Speaker 12 they were,

Speaker 73 they scored like,

Speaker 69 what did they score, 40 points in the first half?

Speaker 25 They were so, so bad.

Speaker 80 Eight in the second quarter.

Speaker 51 Eight in the second quarter, yeah.

Speaker 15 Oh, yeah, 30 points.

Speaker 23 Sorry, 30 points in the first half.

Speaker 15 That's almost impossible to do if you're not the Cavs of the Magic.

Speaker 33 So I don't grind the film like you guys do, but it occurs to me when I'm watching Luca when he's playing from a deficit, when his team's not leading, he seems to take a hell of a lot of time off the shot clock.

Speaker 33 Yeah.

Speaker 73 Well, he's got to dribble.

Speaker 33 He has to dribble, yeah. He's got to dribble.

Speaker 42 And they were kind of screwed too when Daniel Gafford got, even though he's not.

Speaker 34 Daniel Gafford's one of those guys who he's good,

Speaker 52 but when you're like, we need Daniel Gafford to be awesome all the time, that might be a flaw.

Speaker 102 He is good, but it might be a flaw.

Speaker 56 Yeah.

Speaker 37 I got hoodwinked by the Mavs.

Speaker 52 I did. I bought it.
I'm an idiot.

Speaker 65 I feel stupid.

Speaker 52 I think the Clippers are underdogs again in game two.

Speaker 33 And I like the Clippers again. I like the Clippers in the series.

Speaker 12 I don't know.

Speaker 33 I'm dumb for thinking that a team that's led by James Harden can do some damage in the playoffs, but I can do it. Game ones.
But I kind of do.

Speaker 2 Game ones, he can do it.

Speaker 33 But even if it's later on,

Speaker 33 if Kawhi's back,

Speaker 33 Paul George cooking, I don't know.

Speaker 33 I feel like this Clippers team could do something.

Speaker 12 Me too.

Speaker 32 Game ones.

Speaker 39 From Houston, James Harden on.

Speaker 68 20, 27, 24. This is a Mike Francesa bit.
20, 28, 17.

Speaker 7 So nothing great.

Speaker 68 Here we go.

Speaker 39 37, 20, 44, 41, 41.

Speaker 3 Guy likes rest. 29, 35, 37, 36.

Speaker 12 Didn't he do it last year, too? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Guy likes rest.

Speaker 68 When he gets his rest, yeah, he scored 45 in game one against the Celtics.

Speaker 24 And then

Speaker 68 he did have one other big game, but all the other games, he was under 20 points.

Speaker 33 Didn't he have like single digits for one game?

Speaker 72 Yeah, he had nine in game seven.

Speaker 30 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah. The guy likes rest.

Speaker 23 So just remember, James Harden, when he has rest, bet him.

Speaker 33 If they take care of business, get the Mavericks, he'll have a bunch of time to rest before the next round. Yeah.

Speaker 45 All right.

Speaker 8 Dame time.

Speaker 50 Dame time in

Speaker 19 Milwaukee.

Speaker 25 That was awesome. He was on.

Speaker 33 He went off in the first half.

Speaker 68 He had 19 points in the first quarter.

Speaker 8 He was incredible.

Speaker 24 And then it just felt like

Speaker 68 he finished with only 35.

Speaker 9 I say only 35, but he scored 19 in the first quarter.

Speaker 42 19 of their 30.

Speaker 83 It was just too late for the Pacers.

Speaker 32 They made like a little run, and it was just not enough.

Speaker 33 They got to within 10 or something

Speaker 33 down the stretch, but the game never really felt close. And if Giannis comes back, Giannis back, that would concern him.
That's the only way that I could see the Celtics losing seven games.

Speaker 2 Is Giannis would be,

Speaker 67 yeah.

Speaker 67 I mean, if he's fully healthy,

Speaker 57 he he still would be the best player in a series against Celtics.

Speaker 12 Celtics would have the next, like, four best players, but Giannis would be the best player.

Speaker 33 Yeah, that's the only issue for the C's, Hank. But, yeah, the Bucs, this feels like it's going to be an easy series for him.
Again, overreaction.

Speaker 26 Sweep.

Speaker 34 Sweep.

Speaker 82 By the Bucs? Belt to ass.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 40 When is Giannis coming back?

Speaker 42 Who comes back first, Giannis or Kwai?

Speaker 33 I feel like Kawhi plays like every other day.

Speaker 33 He said it depends on how he feels like getting out of bed that morning.

Speaker 61 The Clippers said they're like, yeah, we knew he was out for like the last week.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 26 So they were prepared for it.

Speaker 28 But yeah.

Speaker 33 If there's like bad weather, his knee swells up. He's like, can't go.

Speaker 85 I'm going to say Giannis. I'm going to say Giannis comes back before Kawhi.

Speaker 12 No, I don't know.

Speaker 76 It's always mysterious what happens to Kwai, but he's just always out.

Speaker 20 They're like, all right, he's out.

Speaker 33 It would be very, very frustrating if that was your favorite team. If you're a die-hard Clippers fan and having

Speaker 33 a that's so good like Kwai that just sometimes decides like, no, I'm not going to do it today.

Speaker 12 Like, call him for the win.

Speaker 12 No.

Speaker 41 Thunder take game one.

Speaker 68 Thunder take game one. That was, so we can talk about that game.

Speaker 21 That was, uh, it was a little, it was a rock fight to start the game.

Speaker 89 But the fact that we got to see that Chet Holmer in SGA at the end, he's young thunder.

Speaker 68 Watch out.

Speaker 56 Yeah.

Speaker 33 They might just be too young to know they're not supposed to be this good.

Speaker 24 It does suck so bad that the Zion's out because the Pelicans are like a weird matchup for a lot of teams with their size, and he just, it's just so frustrating to have him out of this series.

Speaker 16 I want to see him play in the playoffs.

Speaker 33 Do people like watching C.J. McCollum play? Because I do.
Yeah. But I feel like, has he hazed? I feel like I see a lot of discourse about him being a super boring superstar.

Speaker 33 I don't know if he's a superstar. A super boring star.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 Giannis will definitely be back first.

Speaker 49 Yeah.

Speaker 12 What are you reading?

Speaker 11 Giannis is supposed to be back later in the series. Kawai hasn't participated in contact practice or played since March 31st.

Speaker 16 Okay, so yeah, that's going to be Giannis for sure.

Speaker 76 That's 100% Giannis.

Speaker 72 I like the Thunder. They're fun.

Speaker 16 And that stadium actually is pretty awesome when it gets bumping.

Speaker 33 Yeah, they care. Yeah.

Speaker 5 They do. I do think they lead the league in

Speaker 68 the amount of fans that wear the t-shirt giveaways.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 15 They are number one in the NBA.

Speaker 33 You see a lot of guys in the crowd wearing a dress shirt, like color dress shirt with the t-shirt that they just got over top of that dress shirt.

Speaker 68 Yeah, it's not even even a question. When they get that free t-shirt, it's on.

Speaker 33 Yeah, you don't have to get dressed up to go. Look, there's like seven of them.
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 87 They're just all they all just fall in line and they're like, free t-shirt, we got to wear it.

Speaker 33 I respect that. I respect it, too.
It's a good basketball town.

Speaker 45 Yeah.

Speaker 66 Seattle people are going to be mad.

Speaker 33 Well, you know, the reason why they got the team was because during Katrina, the

Speaker 33 Hornets at the time played there, and David Cern was like, holy shit, this city actually cares about basketball. They're first on on my list.

Speaker 4 Well, and also because

Speaker 33 they bought.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 65 Howard Schultz fucked that up so bad.

Speaker 21 Yep.

Speaker 12 And sold the team to guys that were all from Oklahoma.

Speaker 32 And they're like, oh, yeah, we do want to move.

Speaker 33 Weird. Seattle should have a team.

Speaker 69 Yeah. Seattle should have a team.

Speaker 32 Okay, you want to talk some hockey?

Speaker 12 Hank,

Speaker 8 punish the Maple Leafs.

Speaker 23 Yep. Punished them.

Speaker 33 Looking to take the all-time lead in that series.

Speaker 11 Love the jerseys.

Speaker 11 Feel like I haven't seen those in the playoffs.

Speaker 63 Good hockey analysis.

Speaker 62 I like this.

Speaker 11 Well, yeah, you turn the game on. You're like, all right, let's, you know, talk to puck.

Speaker 33 Beast time.

Speaker 11 And I was like, ooh, these are new. They probably worn them all year, but for me, they were new.
Yeah, they're new.

Speaker 33 Who's the key to the series, Hank?

Speaker 11 Swayman.

Speaker 12 Swayman.

Speaker 11 Got to be a hot goalie for you.

Speaker 18 Would you say Bergeron was kind of a no-show?

Speaker 11 He was a no-show.

Speaker 15 Yeah, you know.

Speaker 47 You're not.

Speaker 33 Smarsh's teammate, handing out pucks after the game. How are you guys going to stop Austin Matthews?

Speaker 56 They got a lot of chances.

Speaker 43 Put on the Bruin jersey and watch them put on the Maybele Leaf jersey.

Speaker 12 Swing it.

Speaker 11 I already answered that. Okay.

Speaker 91 Memes, can we talk about your game real quick? Because you lost the Hurricanes.

Speaker 58 But I thought the Islanders were.

Speaker 68 It wasn't a game where I was like, oh, the Islanders have no chance in this series.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, this was definitely the game they should have stole.

Speaker 99 Did you watch a game?

Speaker 7 I watched the second and third period, so I guess I missed the time when they were tied.

Speaker 99 Yeah, it was 1-1 pretty much the entire game.

Speaker 68 Or when the Islanders scored, because the Islanders scored in the first.

Speaker 15 Islanders scored in the first. Yeah, I didn't see an Islanders.

Speaker 90 It was like that the entire time.

Speaker 99 And then probably during the second period when nobody was scoring, I was like, oh, fuck, we're in for a battle,

Speaker 12 just like last year.

Speaker 57 It's going to be the exact same series.

Speaker 33 I'm sorry.

Speaker 12 So you're going to lose?

Speaker 12 I don't want to say it.

Speaker 12 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 33 You're not optimistic about that.

Speaker 12 Sounds good.

Speaker 99 Well, it's going to be a battle.

Speaker 99 We've got to bounce back. Game two.

Speaker 33 Anything can happen. It's hockey.

Speaker 99 Anything could happen, but I think game one was the game we could have stole.

Speaker 66 We had a lot more opportunities.

Speaker 99 Refscon fucked us right off the bat.

Speaker 12 Oh, yeah, I like that. Game one, man.

Speaker 33 Diving into it. Yeah, no, you're right.
You're right. They did.
Refs fucked you that guy. They hate the Islanders.

Speaker 40 That quick.

Speaker 12 Well, it was a flop, instant flop.

Speaker 99 They go right to the power play score in 14 seconds. Oh, man.

Speaker 37 That's tough. PFT, your caps?

Speaker 33 Yeah, I've got a couple keys to turning this around for the Caps. Okay, let's go.
All right, so the Caps lose 4-1.

Speaker 33 That's what the official stats say. But if you take out like three minutes in the second period, we actually tied this game 1-1.
Okay.

Speaker 33 If you don't count those, and also we were pressing at the end to try to score, they probably wouldn't have scored that one either.

Speaker 33 If you take out that 10 seconds and the two and a half minutes in the second period, the Caps actually won this game 1-0 in a series where nobody thought that we could come within three goals of beating the Rangers.

Speaker 33 And it turns out that we technically kind of actually won that game.

Speaker 20 So, would the key to the game be allow the Capitals to eliminate any three minutes of their choosing?

Speaker 33 Yeah,

Speaker 33 retroactively. I'll say it ahead of time, but after the game, I predict that if you give me those parameters, the Capitals might even sweep the Rangers.

Speaker 58 Okay, so

Speaker 75 we'll track that going forward: that if as long as PFT can eliminate three minutes of every game,

Speaker 31 you're going to win. I'm going to win.

Speaker 33 Maybe not a sweep, but I think we'll get it done five. Okay.
And my two keys to turning this around, actually, I have three. One, start a fight.
Yep.

Speaker 33 Whenever you're very clearly the less talented team, just try to get another skin.

Speaker 33 Send Tom Wilson out there to try to wreck the franchise for the second time in four years. Yep.
Although they do have Rimpy scares me.

Speaker 33 I don't think that Tom could take him, but it would be a good fight. I'd like to see it.
Either get into a fight, that's key number one.

Speaker 33 Key number two is try not at any point in the game to allow your team to get outshot with 20 straight shots. Yes.

Speaker 33 So try to limit the New York Rangers from, I'd put it at like 18, 18 or fewer shots in a row for them before we get one shot

Speaker 11 on that.

Speaker 33 That would be a good one. And then my other key is...

Speaker 95 We should make that a rule, too.

Speaker 12 Yeah, if you're not.

Speaker 41 Anytime the Rangers have more than 10 consecutive shots, anything after that doesn't count.

Speaker 62 Correct. Yeah.

Speaker 33 Although, I mean, I don't want to say it won't happen, but I don't think that they'll ever have a time in this series where they get 20 consecutive shots on that. Because that's crazy.

Speaker 33 Well, not under our new rules.

Speaker 12 Not under our new rules. Yeah, right.

Speaker 31 10 is the match.

Speaker 33 We're fixing the game of hockey.

Speaker 33 And then my third key to turning this series around is that Ovechkin should have at least one shot on goal.

Speaker 12 Okay, that's a good idea.

Speaker 12 That's buddy heal.

Speaker 60 Buddy Hill and Ovechkin.

Speaker 33 If Ovie can get one shot at least on goal, I think that's going to go a long way to turning this around. But yeah, that was

Speaker 33 after the first like 10 minutes, I knew that we're not as good as the Rangers, but again, it's hockey. Anything can happen.

Speaker 90 Anything can happen.

Speaker 33 I was already telling myself, like, well,

Speaker 33 they're not used to seeing a left-handed goalie.

Speaker 70 Yep. You actually texted us that.

Speaker 41 I'll bet on the Capitals to

Speaker 12 have your back.

Speaker 33 Chucky was catching a lot of pucks out there with his right hand. They're not used.
They're trying to go glove side or they're trying to go stick side. There's a big fat glove there.

Speaker 33 They're not used to that. They figure that out.
They figure that out after the first period.

Speaker 39 I should have known we were in trouble because

Speaker 24 I took what Sons of the Cubs game when you sent that text being like, never seen a left-handed goalie actually known that was a problem.

Speaker 33 They haven't seen it too much this year, and it takes some adjusting. They were firing a lot of pucks right into that big fat glove.
But yeah, listen, I'm happy to be in the playoffs.

Speaker 33 I'm happy to have some meaningful games to root for, and anything could happen. Hockey's a weird sport, but if it goes any way at all similarly to how it went tonight,

Speaker 33 it's going to be a very short series. Yeah.

Speaker 12 okay.

Speaker 82 But with the new rules, we'll monitor that.

Speaker 56 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 33 That's like the caps are up 1-0.

Speaker 12 Yeah, okay.

Speaker 8 Nice.

Speaker 52 And then the Avs Jets win my

Speaker 45 game of the first round.

Speaker 33 First games.

Speaker 33 Game of the first games. I'm going to give that my period of the week.
Yeah. Period of the week.
The first period goes to the first period in this game.

Speaker 70 No, the third period, too.

Speaker 6 The third period. Yeah, the third period was...

Speaker 100 The third period might have...

Speaker 70 You sure you want to give it to the first period?

Speaker 33 It's tough. Yeah, yeah, I do.
I want to give it to the first time.

Speaker 31 Also, remember, we have in the running when the Islanders got screwed.

Speaker 33 Yeah, as the nominee for period of the period of the week. So, I like the first period in this game better than the third because the third didn't really get cooking until the last 30 seconds.
Yeah.

Speaker 54 Okay, so we'll do period of the week for the rest of the playoffs.

Speaker 68 So, that was so our official

Speaker 3 memes, can you make this graphic?

Speaker 34 Official period of the week to close this week was the first period of the Avs Jets game.

Speaker 68 Yep.

Speaker 12 I like that. I feel good about that.

Speaker 33 Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 68 So we'll be monitoring period of the week starting Monday. And you know what?

Speaker 33 If you don't like our period of the week, make your own. Yeah.

Speaker 67 Yeah. I have my own entry.

Speaker 80 Oh, the second period of the NY PDF, the NY Heroes Hockey Game.

Speaker 12 There was a brawl.

Speaker 12 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 81 Now you're making me feel like I'm not supporting heroes.

Speaker 80 Just saying.

Speaker 21 Yeah, but that Avs Jets first period was awesome.

Speaker 33 I'm going to give the Heroes period of the week. Yep.
Goes to the second period in the Heroes game.

Speaker 12 Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 15 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 45 We will have Biz and Witt on probably next week after draft.

Speaker 19 Yeah. Have them on to talk some hockey in depth.

Speaker 30 We don't know what we're talking about, but that's fine.

Speaker 12 I think we covered it. We don't know what we're talking about with anything.

Speaker 33 We covered it pretty good.

Speaker 15 These are my favorite when we get to the winter.

Speaker 82 Also, the Panthers won.

Speaker 59 Yeah, the Panthers did win.

Speaker 33 The thing about hockey fans, though, if you're a die-hard puck boy, you're probably also listening to Spit and Chiclets or a podcast that will make you smarter and know what they're talking about when it comes to hockey.

Speaker 33 Listen, they know they're not going to get that from us.

Speaker 32 People know

Speaker 3 we're more football guys than anything else.

Speaker 65 We do love all the sports.

Speaker 26 We'll talk about all the sports.

Speaker 7 This is the time of year where people will just, like, we probably have said, I don't know, 10 things that have been wrong.

Speaker 68 Some Magic fan will hit me up and be like, dude, you're so off.

Speaker 29 I'm like, you know what?

Speaker 79 You're right. Yeah.

Speaker 56 I am.

Speaker 56 Hand up.

Speaker 33 I'm definitely a hockey casual. I'm coming out as a hockey casual.

Speaker 12 You are right.

Speaker 32 You are right. I am wrong.

Speaker 14 But yeah, I thought that was a good recap of the weekend.

Speaker 18 All right, should we do Who's Back of the Week?

Speaker 72 We have more to talk about from the weekend.

Speaker 68 Some good stories, some good Who's Backs of the Week.

Speaker 12 Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 12 Hank,

Speaker 74 your Who's Back of the Week.

Speaker 64 My Who's Back of the Week is Tupac.

Speaker 12 Oh!

Speaker 56 Yeah, he is.

Speaker 11 So, in the update of the Drake, Kendra Lamar, J. Cole, rap beef, which I'm sure you guys have been very locked in on.

Speaker 12 Actually, I have.

Speaker 12 I have not.

Speaker 33 I don't like how you said that.

Speaker 92 I think it was directed more to me.

Speaker 33 No, I don't think so. He said, you guys.

Speaker 11 Well, I forgot. You do the podcast with Arian, so he'd tell us.
What does that mean? Well, the King Vaughn thing last night.

Speaker 12 Huh?

Speaker 11 I'm talking about King Vaughn.

Speaker 33 Why would you say that Arian would be able to teach me about rap?

Speaker 11 Because when you brought up King Vaughn and I was shocked about that, it turned out that that was because Arian was talking about King Vaughn.

Speaker 33 No, he wasn't.

Speaker 11 That's what people were telling me.

Speaker 33 No, that's not true.

Speaker 11 You guys didn't talk about King Vaughn in Macardos?

Speaker 33 Like, maybe two years ago, three years ago.

Speaker 11 Who

Speaker 11 brought him up?

Speaker 12 I don't know.

Speaker 33 I don't, I don't recall, but no, that's just that's what that's what I was what is it like specifically about Arian that so did make you think have you guys talked about this rap beef on macrodosing?

Speaker 12 Yes, so that's what I'm talking about. Okay, all right, so but I understand you look at me when you say that we don't know because I don't know.

Speaker 33 Big Cat doesn't even know a black guy. Nope.
You can just carry him.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Uh-oh.

Speaker 33 Big Cat knows too now.

Speaker 15 Anyway, where were we?

Speaker 11 Kendrick Lamar, allegedly, there was a leaked song that was Kendrick Lamar, a diss track of Drake wasn't great.

Speaker 11 People kind of shat on it, and then it they went like quiet, and the rumor was that people were saying, oh, it was AI. It wasn't really a diss track.

Speaker 11 Drake basically seems to think that it was actually Kendrick Lamar. So, in retaliation, he wrote a diss track and then got AI Tupac and Snoop Dogg to sing it.

Speaker 11 So it's a Drake diss track, but it's like Tupac's voice dissing Kendrick Lamar and then Snoop Dogg's voice dissing Kendrick Lamar.

Speaker 12 That's kind of cool.

Speaker 33 I don't think it was that cool.

Speaker 11 It was cool.

Speaker 33 Snoop Dogg's still alive.

Speaker 12 Wait, so wait, hold on.

Speaker 84 You say it was cool, you say it wasn't that cool. Which one is it? Because I'm the only one who doesn't know what's going on.

Speaker 33 I don't think it was cool.

Speaker 12 I think, you know what it is?

Speaker 66 Enk counterpoint?

Speaker 11 It was basically like calling Kendrick Lamar out for trying to use AI as an excuse when it wasn't. So he used AI, he basically just like used AI to his advantage.

Speaker 11 And he kind of did the Eminem like with Marshall Mathers. Like he dissed himself

Speaker 33 to be a Tupac. The streets are saying that it's corny.
The streets are saying that Drake is corny for this.

Speaker 14 That's kind of cool what he said, though.

Speaker 33 And that all the Drake meat riders out there are just sucking it down. And they're corny, too.

Speaker 76 Max, deciding vote.

Speaker 12 Cool, cool. Oh, it was cool.
Yeah,

Speaker 12 it was very cool.

Speaker 15 I don't know anything about that. It was funny.

Speaker 12 Very cool. Now, very cool.
Okay.

Speaker 33 Now, you can't take Tupac's voice.

Speaker 33 Now, it would be cool if Tupac was still actually alive, and Drake's the only guy that knows. That would be cool.
And then he's like, this is AI Tupac.

Speaker 33 And then everybody out there was like, yo, Drake, you're corny. But then in the back of his head, he's like, yeah, but I know.
I'm the only one that knows that that was real. I'd respect that.

Speaker 11 I thought it was cool. But Tupac's back.

Speaker 12 Okay. Put up a poll.

Speaker 33 Cool or not cool. Well, just tune into Mac Dossi.

Speaker 11 I'm sure you guys will talk about it and we'll find out once and for all.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 45 I'm going to go with Cool.

Speaker 33 My Who's Back of the Week

Speaker 33 being fat and winning.

Speaker 12 Oh. Fat winners.

Speaker 33 We're going to talk about the boxing a little bit.

Speaker 12 Oh, awesome.

Speaker 33 And it was incredible because before the fight, they had to weigh in at 140 pounds or less. 140 pounds.
Right. And then Ryan Garcia said that he would pay,

Speaker 33 he weighed in at 143 pounds. Correct.
Which is really overweight for Bobby. Very much.
That's incredibly overweight. Like, he did not give a fuck.

Speaker 33 And then he told Haney that he would pay him $500,000 a pound

Speaker 33 over what he weighed in at.

Speaker 54 While his dad was like, don't do this.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 33 And so he ended up paying him $1.5 million to get into the ring. They couldn't be for a title belt, right? Because he was overweight.
He was so fat. And Haney still has the title.

Speaker 33 And so then he just proceeded to beat the shit out of him for, was it 12 rounds? 10 rounds? 12 rounds. 12 rounds.
And it was not particularly close. And no one thought that Garcia had a chance.

Speaker 33 I would count myself in with that group of people that thought he actually was insane.

Speaker 64 Yeah, he was like plus 600.

Speaker 54 He was acting very crazy.

Speaker 4 Turns out he just sold an awesome fight because I watched every second of it.

Speaker 92 And it was a lot of clinching.

Speaker 8 Also, the ref essentially saved Devin Haney because I think the ref was worried that Ryan Garcia was going to do something crazy.

Speaker 15 I think it was round seven where he knocked him down and was the ref basically was just like almost picking up Devin Haney being like, you're good.

Speaker 59 But Garcia was awesome.

Speaker 15 And

Speaker 8 he might be the new face of boxing because

Speaker 23 he's like the perfect amount of crazy, fun to watch, was throwing bombs.

Speaker 28 And yeah,

Speaker 33 he's something else. He is something else.
I actually go back and I look at all the weird stuff he's done the last couple months. And now I don't know how much of it was an act and how much.

Speaker 33 was like really that's why he's the perfect boxer and he won on 420 which is great for him because he was smoking the biggest blunt that I've ever seen afterwards.

Speaker 33 He might have just been like the most high individual for the last two months and just allowed himself to have like a schizophrenic break just from smoking too much pot.

Speaker 24 We also had after the fight one of my favorite encounters I've seen in a long time. Eddie Hearns, our friend who's been on this show, and Ryan Garcia's dad.

Speaker 12 Hearn. Hearn.

Speaker 19 Hearns.

Speaker 69 Thanks, Hank.

Speaker 45 Good friend.

Speaker 4 Good friend, Eddie Hearns.

Speaker 24 And Ryan Garcia's dad, I think I had memes pull up the video.

Speaker 25 Did you guys see this? Yeah. It was so good.

Speaker 4 For people who don't see it, we can put this in.

Speaker 19 It is in the tunnel after the fight.

Speaker 11 Big respect to Ryan Garcia.

Speaker 52 He was amazing.

Speaker 11 Well done.

Speaker 12 Well done.

Speaker 12 Oh, really?

Speaker 12 Fuck you. Fuck you.
Fuck you. You crave my shot, you piece of shit.

Speaker 60 I'm talking about you.

Speaker 12 Fuck you. You know you're a piece of shit.
And that's what you get. Now, what are you going to say?

Speaker 12 Who Campbell? Who Campbell?

Speaker 77 Fucking Devin Haney. Fuck you.

Speaker 12 Now, who do you got?

Speaker 77 Who do you got? Jeron Ennis.

Speaker 12 Jeron Ennis. Who? Jeron Ennis.

Speaker 77 How about Pimbo? You know, he's good.

Speaker 47 Jeron Ennis is good.

Speaker 12 It's a good performance.

Speaker 12 I'm sorry. I know he's already.

Speaker 12 He's a smoke. Can you win?

Speaker 47 I know, but I give you all the respect in the world.

Speaker 40 Okay, give Ryan the respect.

Speaker 12 I just told him. You did? Absolutely.
Thanks to you.

Speaker 39 That was so good because it was just, it was like the perfect mail exchange where we went from fuck you, you're a piece of shit, grabbing the balls, to I'm sorry, in 20 seconds.

Speaker 33 And respect to Garcia's dad for just being a good dad. Yeah.
Just like, okay, you don't like my son. Well, you're an enemy for life.
Actually, you seem like a cool guy. Okay, now you like my son.

Speaker 33 Now we're both boys.

Speaker 53 And respect to Eddie Hearn for not backing down.

Speaker 72 Yeah.

Speaker 58 Like, no, fuck you.

Speaker 5 You're a piece of shit.

Speaker 70 But yeah, it was an awesome fight.

Speaker 8 Like, it was...

Speaker 9 It was a very, very fun.

Speaker 8 And Ryan Garcia is like that perfect amount of crazy that makes boxing fun.

Speaker 46 And thank God he won because there was because Devin Haney in the first like six rounds.

Speaker 57 Ryan Garcia came out and was like going crazy in the first round.

Speaker 7 Then for the next five rounds, Devin Haney did win those rounds.

Speaker 3 But then Garcia knocked him down three times.

Speaker 33 Yeah, and one of them,

Speaker 33 he got points taken away, too.

Speaker 47 He got points taken away because he did punch him after they were broken up.

Speaker 33 Kind of, kind of, yeah. Well, he did punch him.

Speaker 75 He didn't get warned.

Speaker 64 You could say he didn't get warned, which is fair, but he did punch him.

Speaker 33 Haney was doing a lot of holding, too, holding on for dear life.

Speaker 33 He did not get penalized for anything, but it was

Speaker 33 what concerns me is that Garcia was so fucking crazy going up to this fight, and it worked. It worked out perfectly for him.
What's he going to do in the next fight? I'm in.

Speaker 33 How's he going to get crazier?

Speaker 68 I mean, he had that press conference on Thursday where he started it with saying, like, all love to Jesus.

Speaker 32 I love Jesus, and ended it with, suck my dick, Devin Haney.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 33 Didn't he say he like broke into Bohemian Grove? Yeah.

Speaker 12 He had like,

Speaker 33 I forget all the stuff he was saying going on. He also said after the fight, like, yeah, my prep for this fight was just drinking every day.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, he posted a meme that says, it's Devin Haney, wakes up at 4.30 a.m.

Speaker 68 every morning to train, no drugs or alcohol, listens to his trainer, diets, sparring, trains five times a day, runs eight miles every day. Ryan Garcia, alcohol, thank you, Jesus.

Speaker 36 Yeah.

Speaker 32 Obviously, he's a lot better than that.

Speaker 5 He's a really good boxer, but

Speaker 33 he said in the press conference, yeah, I drink every day. I know it's probably nothing to brag about, but I like to drink, and so that's what I did to train for this fight.

Speaker 74 Yeah, although then after he drank a beer during the weigh-in, which people were like, oh, of course they do the weigh-in before they do like the press conference weigh-in, but he was saying afterwards that it was just

Speaker 65 apple juice.

Speaker 12 I like that. Who knows what's real?

Speaker 56 No one knows. No one knows what.

Speaker 33 I don't know what's a mark. Like, am I a mark? Yeah, I think I'm a mark.

Speaker 7 It was a fun weekend, though.

Speaker 7 It was a fun Ryan Garcia.

Speaker 28 Very fun fight.

Speaker 65 Okay, I have two who's backs of the week, both baseball-related.

Speaker 19 First one is terrible gifts because John Sterling retired from the Yankees, done what was like 45 years or something as the voice of the Yankees.

Speaker 8 The Yankees got him an 83-inch TV from Best Buy.

Speaker 33 And then the ceremony.

Speaker 12 The picture was so funny.

Speaker 33 The ceremony of gifting him this TV was hilarious too because they took it so seriously.

Speaker 1 So seriously.

Speaker 100 Do they think he didn't have a TV?

Speaker 33 You might not.

Speaker 68 No, I think actually I read an article he has five TVs.

Speaker 33 And they're all small?

Speaker 15 I don't know if they're all small.

Speaker 33 Yeah, listen, I would not turn away a TV. If somebody wanted to give me an 83-inch TV, I'd be okay with it.

Speaker 33 They cost like nothing now, though.

Speaker 12 They're like $400.

Speaker 11 Retirements are tough to move, too.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 103 Do you think they got the warranty?

Speaker 75 They better have gotten the warranty.

Speaker 33 Oh, he's not going to be able to set that thing up.

Speaker 15 No one ever gets the warranty.

Speaker 77 I hope the Yankees at least sprung for the warranty.

Speaker 33 He's going to have motion smoothing on it. He's going to not be able to watch it.
He's going to have like four different remotes, and he's not going to remember which one goes to which TV.

Speaker 33 Oh, this is the new TV with a new remote that's not programmed correctly yet. That's going to be a nightmare for an old guy.

Speaker 12 His sons are going to help him out.

Speaker 80 They're AWLs.

Speaker 12 Oh, okay. Okay.
Cool. All right.

Speaker 31 So they're getting

Speaker 39 John Sterling on the show squad.

Speaker 68 We'd like to have John Sterling on the show.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 36 The 83-inch TV, though, the picture of that.

Speaker 9 45 years.

Speaker 54 Here's a TV.

Speaker 12 Thank you for your service.

Speaker 33 Appreciate it. Yeah.

Speaker 64 People were like, well, the Yankees only had a few days to figure out a gift.

Speaker 63 You couldn't think of anything other than a TV.

Speaker 80 Also, his schedule dwindled down this year. Yeah,

Speaker 33 do you think somebody in the Yankees' front office had just purchased that TV? Yeah. And they're like, oh, we have a ceremony.
Fuck, what are we going to get on?

Speaker 12 Oh, that was definitely.

Speaker 33 Oh, I've got a TV in my car.

Speaker 88 Yeah, that was definitely sitting in the AV room

Speaker 70 in the locker room where they're like, well, we have an extra just in case one of these, you know, someone takes a bat to a TV.

Speaker 56 Let's give them this.

Speaker 11 And no one can fit it in their car.

Speaker 12 Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 It's the worst gift you could give someone.

Speaker 80 Spin zone, they're saving the money for Juan Soto's next contract.

Speaker 20 83-inch TV.

Speaker 53 Yeah, they are like nothing now.

Speaker 6 Like, this was a great gift 20 years ago.

Speaker 71 It's great.

Speaker 61 You're like, holy shit, he got an 83-inch TV.

Speaker 33 Like, inflation sucks. Everything is getting way more expensive, except TVs.
TVs. TVs are like half as expensive as they used to be 10 years ago.

Speaker 43 Do you remember like the first

Speaker 8 nice TV that you got?

Speaker 61 It was like, we have to be so careful.

Speaker 68 Now it's like TVs are nothing.

Speaker 33 They're giving them away. They are.
All you have to do is quit your job and you get a TV. Let's see.

Speaker 40 83-inch TV.

Speaker 80 Best Buy.

Speaker 49 Remember when there wasn't HD? Like, HD was a big deal.

Speaker 11 I remember the first time time last year, I went to Best Buy and I was getting a TV and I had a massive wall that I wasn't trying to put anything else on. So I was like, I'm going to have a big TV.

Speaker 11 I was thinking 70-inch, and it was maybe like 80 bucks more for 83-inch. And I was like, oh, sure, let me get the 83-inch.
Like, fuck it.

Speaker 33 I hope they got him the top of the line.

Speaker 33 I hope it was top of the line. Because when you get an 83-inch TV, if it's not super high-quality, at that level, it starts to look like shit.

Speaker 23 They did because I'm seeing right now, you can get an 85-inch TV for $900, but they did get him the OLED LG, which was $4,500.

Speaker 12 Curved screen?

Speaker 29 So pretty nice. I don't know if it's curved.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 41 I remember the first game I ever watched in HCTV was with my dad, the Midge game.

Speaker 55 Unbelievable game to watch in HCTV.

Speaker 12 That is a good one.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 15 Okay, my other who's back.

Speaker 3 I have another who's back baseball related.

Speaker 65 Who's back of the week is the Philly Fanatic because he held his birthday bash today and he invited every mascot except Bloopy.

Speaker 56 Oh, no. Yes.
Love it.

Speaker 12 That fuck would have...

Speaker 47 I mean, think about the budget

Speaker 22 for food if you invite Bloopy.

Speaker 33 Or you have to buy three plane tickets. Yeah.

Speaker 32 And you can't have kids around.

Speaker 10 He could have provided an invitation because he's scared of Philadelphia.

Speaker 15 That's true.

Speaker 90 That's, I mean.

Speaker 33 Now, if you invite every other mascot, it's kind of a cuck move for every other mascot to just, you've got games that day, too. Yeah, but Philly's family.

Speaker 33 You back up and go across the country to celebrate another mascot's birthday.

Speaker 3 The Fnatic is, well, mascots, I think, will do anything to get together.

Speaker 79 They do like getting together.

Speaker 33 I know, but I like it so much better when it's rare.

Speaker 33 It's like at the all-star game.

Speaker 57 But if there was one mascot that everyone would go to their birthday party, I think the Philly Fanatic, like, not trying to glaze Max here.

Speaker 7 He is kind of the OG.

Speaker 33 He is one of the OGs, but still, I think you have to have a little bit more pride in yourself.

Speaker 33 than these guys are having and just being like, oh, yeah, I'm going to go tip my cap to another team's mascot.

Speaker 75 Well, they probably did that.

Speaker 47 They probably didn't just do a birthday party.

Speaker 61 They probably played like a scrimmage against a Pee Wee football team and kicked their ass.

Speaker 33 Just ran all over him. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 Bryce Harper got him a gift. It was a cool glove.

Speaker 95 What did he get him?

Speaker 15 He got a cool glove. He looked like a massive glove.

Speaker 12 Probably better than John Sterling's gift.

Speaker 33 Was it a mascot glove that he could put on over his.

Speaker 10 He put it on over.

Speaker 33 I'll pull it up. That is pretty cool.

Speaker 10 But no, I think Blooper got invited, but that bitch was too scared. Oh, I didn't know.
I mean, he's terrified of Philly.

Speaker 73 Oh, that is a great gift.

Speaker 68 Wait. Oh, no, he hasn't opened it yet.

Speaker 12 Here it is.

Speaker 61 A huge glove.

Speaker 12 Oh, wait, what?

Speaker 58 Oh, no. It was a shoe.

Speaker 10 Oh, wait, this was 2019. Fuck me.

Speaker 33 Oh, Bryce Harper gets some gifts every year for his birthday.

Speaker 82 Wow.

Speaker 12 Bryce Harper loves the Fnatic.

Speaker 10 I mean, no, Bryce Harper, that's like a thing. Here it is.
He has like an obsession with the Fnatic.

Speaker 54 Yeah, because he has the cleats, right?

Speaker 66 That's kind of cool. Here it is.

Speaker 12 Here it is.

Speaker 61 The Fnatic is hilarious, dude.

Speaker 2 Like, he is what Blue B wants to be.

Speaker 46 Blue B's an imitation.

Speaker 16 That's a nice glove. It is a good glove.

Speaker 33 Yeah, it's big.

Speaker 33 You remember when Tommy Lasorda got into a fight with him? Yeah.

Speaker 41 That's all I was saying. Like, he is the standard.

Speaker 12 All right.

Speaker 93 Jake.

Speaker 80 My who's back of the week is the future of golf being in good hands. We had some crazy stories in the golf world this week.
We can start off with the LPGA tour. Nellie Corda, tailor-made athlete.

Speaker 80 She won her fifth start in a row. Whoa.
And this was a major.

Speaker 82 Whoa. So that's sick.
What major?

Speaker 33 The Chevy, I think.

Speaker 16 That's a major?

Speaker 33 Yeah, because it's Chevy. That's true.
What a great brand that is. That is true.

Speaker 91 Checking. Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 61 Let's start with the LPGA.

Speaker 12 If you win five weeks in a row, the Chevron Championship. Okay.

Speaker 56 Wait, no, that's Chevy.

Speaker 33 It's a Chevy Championship.

Speaker 68 Chevron is not Chevy.

Speaker 33 I know, but we're just going to cover that.

Speaker 12 We're just going to call it.

Speaker 15 I got my brands mixed up.

Speaker 89 Okay.

Speaker 80 Also, you guys want to call dibs on Miles Russell.

Speaker 12 Okay. 15 years old.

Speaker 80 First ever, youngest ever player to make the cut at the Corn Ferry tour.

Speaker 12 Okay, Dibs.

Speaker 33 I'm sick with Charlie. Well, I got two Dibs.

Speaker 69 No, I'm not going to be able to do that.

Speaker 12 Well, we have Brooks and Max.

Speaker 82 Yeah.

Speaker 33 No, but for future. Yeah, you can do two.
For who's got next?

Speaker 5 Yeah, we need two.

Speaker 80 Yeah. And finally, it was

Speaker 80 rain delay right now, but Scotty is up by five with three holes left.

Speaker 12 Yeah, Scotty.

Speaker 104 He's just insane.

Speaker 33 You know what?

Speaker 33 We can have two next guys up because I think it'll be good for Charlie to have this type of competition where it'll be like Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicholas

Speaker 33 winning all those majors between them. Yeah, it'll be good for the growth of the game.

Speaker 81 Yeah, so the future's in good hands.

Speaker 12 Okay. I like it.

Speaker 27 All right, let's do Todd McShea. And then after Todd McShea, we have Mr.
Pears picks, which we won't do Mr.

Speaker 7 Pear on every episode, but we have to get him a win on an episode.

Speaker 15 He'll be more of a football turtle.

Speaker 9 We'll do some Instagram lives with him for other big NBA NHL games, but we have to get this fucking stupid ass turtle a win.

Speaker 33 I think we should fade the turtle.

Speaker 28 I'm going to fade the turtle.

Speaker 23 If I fade the turtle, he's going to win.

Speaker 33 I'm going to fade him. I'm going to fade whatever this pick is.
That's promised. Okay.
And, or I tossed this out here earlier, but if he continues to lose, we should punish him in some way.

Speaker 12 Okay. I like it.

Speaker 33 Or we can just blame memes. Yeah.

Speaker 20 Memes are already trying to give this turtle to my kids.

Speaker 10 No punishing.

Speaker 15 No punishing. Okay.

Speaker 33 No punishing of the turtle, but we can blame memes.

Speaker 63 No, we can verbally punish him.

Speaker 10 No, PETA, no punishing him. You can't

Speaker 102 verbally berate an animal.

Speaker 75 I will get eye to eye with Mr.

Speaker 25 Pear and tell him he's a fucking loser.

Speaker 12 You know what, Mr.

Speaker 33 Pear? I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed.

Speaker 36 I got a problem in my house because my kids love Mr. Pear.

Speaker 16 They met him today. They were so pumped.

Speaker 10 Memes just keep saying it's your turtle.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's trying to pawn off Mr. Pear.

Speaker 25 That was the fastest thing.

Speaker 57 Well, he's 0-2. He's got to win some games.

Speaker 12 This turtle's going to live

Speaker 5 three years,

Speaker 68 and memes already is trying to get rid of him four days in.

Speaker 99 He's got to win or lose them all.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 14 I hope he keeps losing.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 81 Man, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 105 When you're hungry out there, you start acting like a rookie quarterback in his first game, making bad decisions, messing up the basics, being all out of sorts. That's where Snickers comes in, man.

Speaker 105 That thing is packed. Roasted peanuts, nugget, caramel, milk, chocolate.
It's like the MVP of candy bars.

Speaker 105 And when you bite into it, boom, it sorts you out, gets your head back in the game of life, satisfying your hunger. Remember this.
Snickers handles your hunger so you can handle everything else.

Speaker 105 Snickers satisfies, man. That's a winning play.

Speaker 68 Okay, it is draft week.

Speaker 27 It is time we welcome on our good, good friend, recurring guest, Todd McShea.

Speaker 67 Todd, first of all, how you doing?

Speaker 12 Ready for draft? I'm great, man. Yeah.

Speaker 104 Ready for the draft. Yeah, I'm going to be sitting alone at home this year.

Speaker 12 A little bit different than normal.

Speaker 12 But yeah, but I'm fired up. All right.

Speaker 43 So, I mean, there's nothing better than draft time.

Speaker 89 I know you've still been doing all the work, all the calls.

Speaker 50 Let's start at the top.

Speaker 91 Caleb Williams is a bear, so we can just say that, right?

Speaker 55 Like, there's, it's 100% slam dunk.

Speaker 22 Don't tell me that when I paint my fingernails on Thursday night, I'm going to look like a bear.

Speaker 104 And I know you will. Yeah.
Now,

Speaker 104 that's a lot. I just find it interesting, right? Like

Speaker 104 we get to the end of the season, and you get all these anonymous scouts who are like, you know,

Speaker 104 I wouldn't take him there.

Speaker 104 If I was making the decision for Chicago, I would be worried, I would be concerned about all these things, you know, crying in the stands with his mom and painting his fingernails and do his teammates love him and all that.

Speaker 104 And then you get to the combine

Speaker 104 and it's like...

Speaker 104 All the media has time now to go out and have dinners and drinks and interact with all the people in the league. And then immediately, it's like two days into the combine, everyone's, oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 104 Yeah, Caleb's going to Chicago.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's tough. Yeah, because

Speaker 94 he's been the first pick for two years now.

Speaker 91 So it's like, yes, it's a good thing.

Speaker 104 And would have been the first pick last year.

Speaker 12 Right, right.

Speaker 1 So the fatigue is there where people are picking apart, and he's going to be a bear.

Speaker 75 So with knowing that he's going to be a bear,

Speaker 64 let me ask you this.

Speaker 57 Where does the draft start?

Speaker 104 Well, let me just, before we pass on Caleb, because I know you care about this, like, you go back and look at some of the situations that the number one overall pick has been drafted into, and it's been ugly.

Speaker 104 Like Bryce Young last year, I would argue, is the ugliest situation that any of these number one overall picks at quarterback have been

Speaker 104 drafted into. 2 and 15 last year traded Christian McCaffrey, staff fired, owner, all the issues with David Tepper that we know.
No weapons, no protection.

Speaker 104 Like everyone's like, Stroud, you should have taken Stroud, and maybe they should have, okay?

Speaker 104 But maybe they should have had a better organization around him. Go back to Trevor Lawrence in 2021.
And Trevor hasn't become the guy that we thought he was going to be to this point.

Speaker 104 We're still waiting for him to make that like that third step, if you will.

Speaker 104 But as a rookie with Urban Meyer, that situation, disasters in terms of the organizational leadership, no protection, no weapons. He had, you know, three and 14 as a rookie.
Doug Peterson comes in.

Speaker 104 They had a couple weapons. They protect him a little better.
And they make that huge jump that they made in the second year.

Speaker 104 So like like, these number one overall picks are typically drafted into really bad situations. I don't think it's the case in Chicago.
Yeah, I think you're going to see a big jump.

Speaker 104 Like, what Ryan Pauls has done from

Speaker 104 last year to this year, also having the number nine overall pick, the general manager has kind of seen the vision.

Speaker 104 Let's put things around the quarterback position so that when we do draft Caleb next year, we're going to put him in a better situation.

Speaker 104 Now, all of a sudden, Caleb comes in, and you've got DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, DeAndre Swift and depth behind him at running back, Cole Komet at tight end.

Speaker 104 This is as good a situation as we've seen in a long time.

Speaker 104 Like, going back to beyond Tyler Murray in 2019, beyond Baker Mayfield in 2018 with Cleveland, you have to go back a while to say which quarterback was in this good of a situation that Caleb Williams is entering into as the number one overall pick in the draft.

Speaker 15 I love it. I love it.

Speaker 8 And it's why all the talk about him, like, oh, he's going to say he doesn't want to go go to Chicago.

Speaker 70 It's like, when is a 7-10 team ever going to draft number one overall again?

Speaker 89 Like, that's the other part is the team, they weren't great, but they were not the worst.

Speaker 43 They weren't a two-win team, and their defense is good.

Speaker 22 I couldn't be more excited. I agree, obviously, that this is a perfect situation for him.

Speaker 15 And I am...

Speaker 45 I'm just going, I'm all in. I'm going all in.

Speaker 15 I don't care.

Speaker 91 Like, people are going to say all this stuff.

Speaker 68 I think he's the first Gen Z quarterback that will piss people off.

Speaker 9 But everything else, he's going to be awesome, and I'm pumped for it.

Speaker 43 So knowing that he's going one, PFT is up on the clock at two.

Speaker 59 What's the pick going to be?

Speaker 104 It's got to be Jaden Daniels. Yep.
And I know that everyone is linking Drake May and there's all sorts of

Speaker 104 conversations there. Drake May has tremendous upside.
You better be ready though with Drake May to sit him for a year.

Speaker 104 When you look at the history of drafting quarterbacks, numbers of starts, then you look at Drake May specifically, the inconsistency with his decision-making at times, with his footwork, which leads to

Speaker 104 erratic accuracy.

Speaker 104 I think Drake May could wind up being the second best quarterback in this draft, maybe, if put in the right situation and has time to develop, like Patrick Mahomes had a full year.

Speaker 104 So

Speaker 104 to me,

Speaker 104 I think in the right situation, he'll be great. Jaden Daniels, I got done with the tape at the end of the season, and I was like, damn, I don't know.

Speaker 104 Like, if I'm just evaluating this past year, 2023, I don't see a huge difference between Caleb and Jaden. I don't.

Speaker 104 Like, you got to remember, like, with Caleb, there was that Notre Dame game, and there were losses at the end of the year, and he's trying to do too much.

Speaker 104 And he'll work that out of his system when he gets to the NFL and has more structure and a better defense and all those things.

Speaker 104 But from just based off the tape, And then you had the mobility with Jaden, the fact that the improvement that he made over the last two years playing in a style system, understanding and trusting his reads, I think he's got a chance to be special.

Speaker 104 And so when I'm done with the tape,

Speaker 104 I always try to kind of rack my board, figure out who I like, and then I start making calls.

Speaker 104 I promise you, of the dozens of calls that I've made from January to now with guys in the league, general managers, personnel directors, scouts, all over the league, there isn't one person I've spoken to that believes that Drake May should be drafted number two over Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 104 I even talked to teams

Speaker 104 going back to February where teams were like, yeah, we're still debating between Caleb and Jaden at number one.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 104 So it was like that first tier has been for teams has always been kind of Caleb and Jaden. And then the second tier is Drake.
And then the third tier is J.K. McCarthy.

Speaker 104 And then you get into the fourth tier where you can start talking about Michael Pennix and Bo Nixon, those guys.

Speaker 33 Yeah, I also think Cliff Kingsbury as the OC in DC, I feel like Jaden Daniels would be the guy that he would want easily over Drake May, right? With the system that he runs?

Speaker 104 Yeah, I mean, yeah, I can see that.

Speaker 104 I think when you look at the system that Drake came from versus the system that Jaden came from, the two years that Jaden had at LSU, the mobility that he provides as an extra element, you know, Cliff and what he was able to do with Kyler and

Speaker 104 what he's always wanted to do in his system. Didn't always in college have mobile quarterbacks, but that was it.
I remember sitting in Cook's office talking to him.

Speaker 104 Like the next evolution for him was finding more mobility at the quarterback position because everyone's like, well, it's all air-raid. It's Mike Leach and all that stuff.
Really,

Speaker 104 that all transformed from the Mike Leach system to

Speaker 104 what we've seen go on in Oklahoma and then USC recently.

Speaker 104 Lincoln Riley adjusted it where you had like the guard tackle backside pulling and more physical and and then adding that element of the of the quarterback run.

Speaker 104 We saw a little bit with Baker, but more so with Kyler. And that's what Cliff saw going to Arizona.
It was like, wait, I can run what we run.

Speaker 104 We can be more physical in the run game, but we get a quarterback that's going to give us numbers and get us out of trouble.

Speaker 104 That to me is the pinnacle of where they want that system to be. And that's what Jaden provides.
And Drake is mobile, but he's not Jaden. Right.

Speaker 33 Yeah, Jaden's special. And you're right.

Speaker 33 I feel like if you're running the A-rate system, it's great to have all those shots downfield, but it's also great to have a quarterback that if those are covered, you get an easy 10 yards. And

Speaker 33 Jaden Daniels was electric in college. We watched all his games.
We sat down. We watched the tape, Todd.

Speaker 11 I know you did.

Speaker 33 We grind, right?

Speaker 104 You guys have evolved. I remember.

Speaker 6 I don't think the Josh Allen year you guys were studying the tape.

Speaker 82 You hit on it.

Speaker 33 Yeah, you watched the tape measure on his hands.

Speaker 104 You guys felt it felt like a highlight reel organization.

Speaker 104 Now I see you guys with the coaches clicking.

Speaker 33 Now we're different.

Speaker 12 Sometimes it's better be lucky than good with Josh Allen here.

Speaker 33 So on the tape that I've studied with Jaden Daniels, I noticed his elbow is kind of fucked up. Is that a problem at all?

Speaker 33 Is any team out there looking at his elbow and they're like, that elbow is too weird to be a quarterback? It is weird, man.

Speaker 91 Yeah. Have you ever seen elbow like that?

Speaker 6 It's a little different.

Speaker 104 My favorite, I don't know if you've been on Twitter, but do yourself a favor if you want like 30 seconds of a laugh. Look up Jaden Daniels and Looney Tubes.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 104 There's someone, I forget who did it.

Speaker 104 I wish I had it on me, but someone put together a reel of all the plays where, because he had, for whatever reason,

Speaker 50 he gets car crashed.

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 33 when he gets hit, he gets hit.

Speaker 104 He gets like flailing arms, legs, like limbs everywhere. It's awesome.

Speaker 104 It's not awesome if you're a general manager. You're like, we're going to have to learn to slide a little bit better and make better decisions.
But it's worth a 30-second laugh.

Speaker 33 That's what some people in D.C. are a little bit gun-shy about.
And I get it because we still remember the RG3 years where he did not learn how to slide. And when he got hit, he would get hit.

Speaker 33 He was very, very bad at protecting himself. And actually,

Speaker 33 the wounds go a little bit deeper in DC. You can go all the way back to Jason Campbell.
And he never learned how to slide either. And he was a first-round pick.

Speaker 33 So a lot of people in DC are a little bit afraid of getting a quarterback that doesn't know how to protect themselves.

Speaker 104 Here's the difference between Jaden and

Speaker 104 RG3. RG3 was a track sprinter.
Everything was straight line. Like he was a 4-3 guy.

Speaker 104 His burst, when he caught a crease, he could go. But he didn't, if you really study him, he didn't have much width.

Speaker 104 He wasn't the Twitch guy, the snap guy. So to me, when you watch Jaden, he's both.
He's fast and quick. Yeah.

Speaker 104 And that will allow him to protect himself.

Speaker 33 So there are a lot of guys in this draft that are declining workouts for whatever reason. They've got their own plan that they want to put forward.

Speaker 33 They're confident in their tape, showing it to general managers. They want to let that speak for itself.

Speaker 33 My question is, how in-depth are GMs getting and front offices getting when they break down film of a guy where they don't have a 40-time on paper for him?

Speaker 33 Are they straight up, are they comparing him on the field to players where they know that guy's 40-speed and they can kind of extrapolate what the true numbers for this prospect are?

Speaker 33 Or how important is it if a guy chooses not to do those specific drills?

Speaker 104 To be honest with you, like if you're going to be a top 10 pick, and scouts and GMs around the league will hate me for saying this if you know like if it's if it's certain you're going to be a top five seven even ten top 10 pick and you're not competing with one other guy to go you know like marvin harrison jr i think malik neighbors has a chance to be more more dynamic and explosive but marvin harrison jr is the most nfl ready player at any position in this class marvin harrison knows if he doesn't go number four he's going to go number five overall he's going to very likely be the first non-quarterback drafted in this class right so what would you rather Let me ask you this.

Speaker 104 What would you rather?

Speaker 104 This guy who you're going to make a $30 plus million dollar investment on for the next five years and has to show up and be ready, not only like for two years down the road and that five-year investment, but right away we need this guy to be ready.

Speaker 104 Would you rather him training in a facility in Arizona or Florida, working on his box jumps and his, you know, his getoff speeds, takeoff speeds in the 40-yard dash?

Speaker 104 Or would you rather him, like Marvin Harrison Jr. has been, working with NFL veterans to continue to polish his route running and work on his,

Speaker 104 you know, certain aspects of his game, his flexibility, all those, so that

Speaker 104 he's ready for week one

Speaker 104 more so than

Speaker 104 all these rookies. Talk to rookies halfway through their year, their rookie year, and they're like, I'm exhausted.
Like, I wasn't in the football shape that I'm always used to being in.

Speaker 104 It wasn't a year-round training for football. It was training for the Olympics, right? And so to me, it only makes sense.

Speaker 104 And the other thing that people get mixed up on this, 40-yard dash is great for television, and there's absolutely there's credence and value to it, especially at positions like wide receiver and cornerback.

Speaker 104 But today, it's so different today with the catapult system, the miles per hour that we have.

Speaker 104 They're wearing the thing on their body, the GPS tracker.

Speaker 104 I know if a guy's running at max speed, 21 miles per hour or 24 miles per hour.

Speaker 104 And that translates to me. Like, I'm not saying we're ever going to get rid of the 40.

Speaker 104 I don't think that that's where we're headed at all because it's another opportunity to see apples to apples comparison. But I now not only know what top speed is, but how fast they get to top speed.

Speaker 104 I know how fast they practice. I know how many steps they did.

Speaker 104 I know everything.

Speaker 104 about the movement of every player that I'm getting ready to draft because you're not just doing it in the NFL college programs. You're doing it from the day they step on campus.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense.

Speaker 89 It does feel like we have more data than we've ever had.

Speaker 68 All right, so Drake Bay is going to go to the Patriots, even though Hank, our draft expert here on PMT, says that he wants Marvin Harrison and he doesn't care who's throwing to him, that it will work out.

Speaker 59 So

Speaker 28 after that, I think the intrigue in the top 10, and correct me if I'm wrong, is where is J.J.

Speaker 9 McCarthy going to go?

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 94 like, so give me your J.J.

Speaker 73 McCarthy take and then tell me where he's going to go because he is confusing in the fact that we saw him play.

Speaker 68 He was phenomenal when he he was asked to throw.

Speaker 37 He was not asked to throw a lot.

Speaker 96 And it's a typical guy who, you know, if you ask four months ago, he's a second rounder.

Speaker 26 Now he's being talked about as the fourth pick overall.

Speaker 85 So tell us the J.J.

Speaker 1 McCarthy story and where you think he's going to end up.

Speaker 104 J.J. McCarthy has all the traits.
J.J. McCarthy is a winner.
J.J. McCarthy, a year ago, we were worried, is he big and physical and strong enough? He's put on 15 pounds in the last year.

Speaker 104 He's got the kind of frame. He'll continue to get bigger and stronger.
And he's been durable. JJ McCarthy can process quickly enough and will continue to get better.

Speaker 104 And if you watch him throw it, here's the big thing. Here's how I would break it down and try to simplify it.

Speaker 104 Everything you need to see from him, you can see, especially now with like the cut-ups and the third down and seven plus and all. You can find everything.

Speaker 104 But whereas like for Caleb Williams, who's got more starts and was throwing the ball more, and for Jaden Daniels, a lot more starts, and was in an offense that asked him to carry the team more.

Speaker 104 You're going to see 40 clips of one thing over the course of his career. JJ, you might only see 10.

Speaker 104 So it's a volume thing. You know, how much volume in that catalog are you able to see? So is there risk in that? Absolutely.
And the other thing, and when I talk to teams in the league, I always ask,

Speaker 104 how's this guy going to succeed? How's this guy going to fail? Like,

Speaker 104 what would be your concern in drafting him?

Speaker 104 I always get the same thing. It's the lack of volume.

Speaker 104 I wish I could see more of these certain red zone, you know, third, you know, first down play, like certain things that Michigan just was so committed to the run in their system.

Speaker 104 So it starts with the volume. And then the second thing that I always get is

Speaker 104 there wasn't a quarterback, you know, no, no other quarterback in this class had the supporting cast. that JJ had.

Speaker 104 And then the pushback is, well, wait a second, Jaden, Jaden's got two first-round wide receivers he's throwing to him. Yeah, but look at the protection.

Speaker 104 You know, the Joe Moore, you know, offensive line, the best offensive line in college football two years ago. They didn't win it this past year, but should have won it.

Speaker 104 We saw that against Washington, which wound up winning, you know, how much more efficient and physical that offensive line was. So protection was there.
System protected him.

Speaker 104 Defense was phenomenal the last two years for Michigan. So he was never put in a Caleb Williams situation where if we go out and score 40, we might lose.

Speaker 12 Right.

Speaker 104 You know, so those are the two things that you debate there. If you're looking at the big picture now, Caleb's going one.
Jaden should absolutely go two.

Speaker 104 Drake May is most likely going to go three to New England. I think there's

Speaker 104 a big time outside the box scenario where New England tries to move down, move back up, gets kind of crazy with it.

Speaker 104 But Robert Kraft is going to make sure that they get a quarterback that's exciting for New England moving forward in the future. So let's assume those three come off the board.

Speaker 104 Arizona is sitting at four. Monte Osafor at the GM,

Speaker 104 you know, has shown that he likes to move around. He did a lot of that last year, but they've got a bunch of picks.
And so I don't know that moving back necessarily helps them.

Speaker 104 And when you get to know Monty and what he looks for and the physicality and looking the part and all those sorts of things,

Speaker 104 I just think that Marvin Harrison Jr. makes too much sense.
They need a weapon.

Speaker 104 They've got their quarterback that they're going to ride with for a little while because of the contract situation and what we know he can do when he's healthy.

Speaker 104 So I think they stick at four unless they get a phenomenal offer. I think that Arizona sticks to four and takes Marvin Harrison Jr.
Five, though, is where the move is going to be made, in my opinion.

Speaker 104 The Chargers won out. Jim Harbaugh wants offensive line.

Speaker 104 And Joe Ortiz, the new general manager, came from the same tree as Joe Douglas did with the Jets. They were all in Baltimore with Ozzie Newsom.
And Ozzie's big thing is always,

Speaker 104 let's sit tight. Trust our board.
The player, if we have to draft there, we don't get a good deal.

Speaker 104 We know that the player we're going to get there is a good player but let's wait for a team to panic yeah and let's exploit them think about all the moves that that ozzie did moving back exploiting teams that were in a panic in that you know 10 15 minute clock and that's what the chargers are going to do and minnesota is the most likely team as we know sitting at 11 and and obviously that the 23rd pick that the trade they already made with houston so they've got the they have the picks to package to move up they'll have to probably give away at number two worst case at number one next year But I think Minnesota is a team that moves up and goes and gets JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 104 And JJ's been tied to them for a long time. And by the way, I get news for you.
With their play calling,

Speaker 104 with Justin Jefferson, with the protection they have, I would say, even though I think Caleb's better and I think Jaden's better, I think Drake May has a higher upside, J.J.

Speaker 104 McCarthy could have the best rookie year of all the quarterbacks if he lands in Minnesota. That's the most desirable spot for these rookie quarterbacks.

Speaker 12 Oh, wow. Interesting.

Speaker 33 So, who's the first defensive player to get drafted?

Speaker 12 I'm glad you asked that.

Speaker 104 Because everyone's

Speaker 12 good job asking.

Speaker 104 Thank you. I appreciate you.
Thank you. Dallas Turner, the edge rusher from Alabama, is where I've had more time this year to read all these mock drafts.
It's kind of comical, to be honest with you.

Speaker 12 I love that.

Speaker 33 I love that McShea is like, wow, this is what I've been doing?

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 104 And then also.

Speaker 12 It's fan fiction. It's fan fiction for guys.
It's the best. I love it.
I love it.

Speaker 104 And I got news for you. Everyone, like, NFL teams try to, you know, this macho thing, like, mock drafts are ridiculous.

Speaker 104 Well, there hasn't been a general manager I've talked to that doesn't have some sort of system where they take the three or four mock drafts that they trust the most, put it into some database and plug it out and utilize that to try to figure out what other teams are doing.

Speaker 104 Right.

Speaker 104 So it is a tool used in the NFL. But what I'll say with these, with the mock drafts is everyone

Speaker 104 has got Dallas Turner, the edge rusher from Alabama, going eight to Atlanta. Like every, if you line up all the mock drafts, eight to Atlanta.

Speaker 104 And maybe he is the first offensive player, and maybe that's where Atlanta goes. They certainly could use an edge.
But the more people I've talked to in the league,

Speaker 104 the more I get the sense that Byron Murphy, defensive tackle from Texas, could be, and I don't want to say he's most likely, but if there's going to be a surprise in the top 10, it's Byron Murphy.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 104 Teams are looking for interior pass rushers. There's so few impact.

Speaker 104 Just think in the top of your head, like, how many elite impact interior defensive lineman pass rushers are there?

Speaker 12 Yeah, Aaron Donald was one.

Speaker 9 Yeah, he retired.

Speaker 104 You can get to like five, six, seven, right, in that range where you're like, yeah, that dude, like, we got it, we got to account for him. Yeah.

Speaker 104 And so, Byron, with his quickness and power and just the way he penetrates and disrupts, I think that he's going to be a major impact player.

Speaker 104 He's ready to play right away, and teams are looking for that.

Speaker 104 So, I don't know if it's, you know, Tennessee surprises at seven, Atlanta at eight, Chicago at nine, even though everyone's mocking a wide receiver.

Speaker 104 What if MHJ, Malik Neighbors, and Romo Junze are off the board?

Speaker 104 I mean, the Giants, we know Arizona.

Speaker 104 The Chargers could take a wide receiver, but I think they trade out. The Giants could take a receiver at six.
The Titans could take a receiver at seven.

Speaker 104 So all three of those receivers could be off the board, and Byron Murphy could be the pick at number nine for the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 33 Okay, what's crazy is we're talking about all these great players, and there are a lot of good ones, but to me, the guy that is going to be maybe have the best career out of all of them.

Speaker 33 We haven't even said his name yet, Brock Bowers. And it feels like Brock Bowers is,

Speaker 33 people are penciling him into the Jets right now. Is that going to be a pick where he falls to like number 10 and everybody's like, ah, shit, Brock Bowers, they got him.

Speaker 33 We should have taken him earlier.

Speaker 104 Yeah, it absolutely could be. It could be.

Speaker 104 Here's the tough part with Brock Bowers. The tape is phenomenal.
He's one of the five or six best football players in this draft. Everyone would agree, right?

Speaker 104 But he looks like

Speaker 104 a tall banker who

Speaker 104 played in a fraternity, like basketball, you know, in the pub league.

Speaker 104 He just doesn't look the part.

Speaker 104 Didn't run the 40 because he had the injury and did the recent Georgia makeup pro day and did all the position drills. So you don't have the 40 on him.
He doesn't look the part.

Speaker 104 He's coming off the injury. And most importantly, all those things aside, because I think Tape wins out on him.

Speaker 104 The tight end position, like this is

Speaker 104 an investment, and you're investing in quarterbacks, pass rushers, wide receivers now, which wasn't always the case, but wide receivers because the game has changed so much, playmakers, and then guys who can cover those playmakers, a cornerback.

Speaker 104 And so, are you willing to take a tight end who's not going to ever be a great blocker, doesn't necessarily look the part, all the physical traits is up there with everybody else?

Speaker 104 I think that's the question. But then I look at the Jets at 10, right?

Speaker 104 I think for Joe Douglas, again,

Speaker 104 we talked about Joe Ortiz, the new GM of the Chargers with Jim Harbaugh, and how I would bet money that they move out of that number five spot.

Speaker 104 The Jets don't have a second-round pick, and that's not a comfortable neighborhood for Joe Douglas to be living in right now, okay?

Speaker 104 He also, he needs offensive tackle. They brought in a couple of 33-year-olds or whatever their ages are as band-aids.

Speaker 104 But what if one of those guys gets injured? And the history says that one, if not both of those guys, are going to get injured.

Speaker 104 So they want to draft an offensive tackle there, but you're sitting at 10.

Speaker 104 You don't have a second round pick because we traded it away as part of the Aaron Rodgers deal, and we don't pick again until the third round. So I could see the Jets moving out of 10.

Speaker 104 Now, that doesn't mean that Brock Bowers won't still be there if they make a deal to move back.

Speaker 104 What if JJ starts to fall?

Speaker 104 And

Speaker 104 you've got the Raiders at 13. I don't know that they would want to move up, but certainly the Broncos at 12, even though they don't have a second round pick as well.

Speaker 104 What if they can move back two or three spots? I still think Bowers, if he doesn't go 10, the next place I would look at would maybe be 15 to the Colts, 17,

Speaker 104 14 to the Saints, 15 to the Colts, that range. So maybe the Jets move back and still are able to get Bowers, or maybe the Jets move back and get an offensive tackle.

Speaker 104 Because if it's not Joe Waldot in Notre Dame,

Speaker 104 there's six or seven offensive linemen, guys that are tackles that could move inside that are going to go in this first round.

Speaker 104 It's one of the best offensive tackle classes I can remember in the last decade.

Speaker 62 I love to hear that.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Brock Bowers, the mistake Brock Bowers made was taking that picture next to Gronk.

Speaker 12 If he didn't take that picture next to Grant Group, go to Gronk, I think everything like

Speaker 6 everything would be fine.

Speaker 12 That one picture. Wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 104 That guy was what he was in the league. That's what it's supposed to look like.

Speaker 104 Who's that guy?

Speaker 103 And he was wearing the black shoes, too, that made him look like he was like, yeah, he was a banker.

Speaker 64 You're right.

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Speaker 22 All right, so

Speaker 28 you said something there, the wide receiver class, like it is now become, it used to not be something that teams would draft as high as they're drafting.

Speaker 9 Now it's just every year, got to get one of these guys.

Speaker 59 It's, from all I've read, one of the best wide receiver drafts.

Speaker 43 You have Marvin Harrison, Adunze, and neighbors.

Speaker 22 Who, though, after that is someone that you're very high on that might be in the late first round, early second round that teams can be like, look, if we don't get one of these three guys, we can wait and we can get a really, really good wide receiver going forward.

Speaker 104 I think it's going to be another year. We've seen this historically.

Speaker 104 I think it's going to be another year where there are two or three guys in the second round that go that wind up being more productive than one or two guys in the first round.

Speaker 12 Yeah. I really do.

Speaker 104 And I believe strongly in Marvin Harrison Jr. doesn't have the twitch and kind of that after-the-catch ability that Malik Neighbors has, but Malik doesn't have the size of Marvin Harrison Jr.

Speaker 104 But they're both going to be absolute stars in the NFL. Romo Junze is going to be a damn good player.
Devontae Adams is probably the best, it is the best case, but he's that kind of player, okay?

Speaker 104 After that, you've got A.D. Mitchell

Speaker 104 from Texas. I think Brian Thomas would probably wind up being the other LSU receiver, probably being the fourth receiver off the board.

Speaker 104 Xavier Mitchell,

Speaker 104 Xavier Worthy, sorry, the other Texas wide receiver. Those are the guys that I think will wind up going in the first round.

Speaker 87 But I'm telling you right now, Lad McConkey

Speaker 104 from Georgia is

Speaker 104 so dynamic in terms of his route running ability, ability to separate, and after the catchability and the consistency with his hands.

Speaker 104 Ricky Pearsall from Florida is the best route runner in this class. And everyone's like, yeah, well,

Speaker 104 he's not overly fast.

Speaker 104 He's not dynamic and explosive. Well, he ran a 4-4-1 in this 40-yard dash, right? And he had a 42-inch vertical.
You can't tell me he's not explosive. And so Lad McConkey, Ricky Pearsall,

Speaker 104 Xavier Leggett, Xavier Legette from South Carolina is a player that I look at, like, I could get him in the second round. And so to me, here's how it's going to play out.

Speaker 104 All these receivers, the top three receivers are going to come off the board quickly, but there's a bunch of teams that have tackle and wide receiver as their top needs, if you will.

Speaker 104 If I look at it as a combination of the two, like combo picks, I call them, right? Arizona picks at 4 and 35.

Speaker 104 I think they're going to take Marvin Harrison Jr., but wouldn't you maybe rather have Joe Alt, the best left tackle in this class, and then get a Xavier Leggette in the second round? Chargers, 5-37.

Speaker 104 Again, they could move out of that spot. But what if they take Joe Alt instead at number five? And then at 37, you get a Lad McConkey.

Speaker 104 The Giants at 6-47. They traded out.
They gave their pick away to Carolina for 39,

Speaker 104 but they have the 47th pick, so in another trade.

Speaker 104 That's another team, tackle wide receiver. The Titans, 7-38.
So there are four teams there. It's going to be interesting to see.

Speaker 104 Are we just going to get the best wide receiver and try to get tackle in the second round, or do we realize there's a hell of a lot more depth?

Speaker 104 Because everyone's talking about how great this tackle class is, and it is. I mean, you've got Joe Alt, Tales

Speaker 104 Fuaga from Oregon State, Oli Fashano from Penn State, you got JC Latham from Alabama, Amarius Mims from Georgia,

Speaker 104 Troy

Speaker 104 Fautanu from Washington, Tyler Guyton from Oklahoma. All those guys, though, are going the first round.
And then there's kind of a significant drop-off in the second round.

Speaker 104 So while we're all talking about wide receiver, it won't shock me if the tackles go faster than expected. And then there's a big run on receivers late first, early second.
Yeah.

Speaker 33 Xavier Worthy to Las Vegas. That just seems like a great fit.
If we're going based on like history of teams, drafting based on specific traits, you can see that.

Speaker 104 Patton Davis was still alive. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 33 I would just love to see that. I would love to see the Ouija board that they have set up in the draft room tell them Xavier worthy no matter what.
Yeah.

Speaker 82 Las Vegas.

Speaker 33 So what about Cooper DeGene? We've taken an interest in Cooper DeGene. Player comp in the NFL.
I've got Jason Seahorn, and then those snaps where Julian Edelman played defense.

Speaker 33 So he's going to be a first-rounder, right?

Speaker 81 You guys are selling it.

Speaker 33 He's going in the first round.

Speaker 104 He's going in the first round. He just had his

Speaker 104 makeup pro day, if you will, at Iowa, ran

Speaker 104 in the low 4-4s, depending on the scout you talk to. He's a great player.
He's a versatile player. He can play slot.
He can play outside corner. He can play free safety.

Speaker 104 He might be an all-pro punt returner, too. I mean, this guy, he's a difference maker.

Speaker 104 I think you guys can do better with your comps. Okay.

Speaker 104 I think you can dig a little deeper. Chris Conte?

Speaker 12 I've been

Speaker 82 almost a more mobile read dowdy.

Speaker 6 Hey,

Speaker 1 what did teams think about the letter he sent?

Speaker 50 Kind of a try-hard move.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 33 Did he actually write a letter or was it an email?

Speaker 104 That I don't know. I believe it was a letter and an email is what is my understanding.

Speaker 12 Okay, okay.

Speaker 75 All right, so I got another weird question.

Speaker 2 This draft is going to be significant in the fact that we could finally see Sean McVay take a first-round pick.

Speaker 12 Will that happen?

Speaker 103 It's crazy to say, but Sean McVay has never had a first-round pick in the draft.

Speaker 7 They've traded a million times.

Speaker 28 The last first-round pick the Rams had was Jared Goff.

Speaker 9 That was Jeff Fisher.

Speaker 95 So will they actually take a first-round pick this year?

Speaker 1 Will they actually select in the first round?

Speaker 43 And does Sean McVay even know what to do with that?

Speaker 104 I mean,

Speaker 104 it's really more Les Need. I mean, it's them together.
Les Need, the general manager, is a good buddy mine. He's, and I love the, what was it, F the draft? Yeah.

Speaker 12 Fuck them picks. Fuck them picks.

Speaker 104 Yeah, fuck them picks.

Speaker 104 I could see them packaging picks and going to move up.

Speaker 12 Oh.

Speaker 104 You know, like get rid of some more picks, right?

Speaker 12 Like, we don't care.

Speaker 104 But what about quarterback for the Rams?

Speaker 56 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 91 So are Bo Nix and Michael Pennix, like they're, it feels like one of the two of them is going to drop.

Speaker 12 Michael Pennix.

Speaker 104 Yeah, Michael Pennix, I think, is going to, I think Michael Pennix is going to go in the first round. And I don't agree with it.
I have a second round grade on him.

Speaker 104 I think he has starting caliber. He's the best pure passer in this class.
That's what we said about C.J. Stroud last year.
But C.J. Stroud didn't have the durability issues.
C.J.

Speaker 104 Stroud, even though he didn't like to run, was more mobile.

Speaker 104 Like I said,

Speaker 104 with every general manager I talk to, it's how is this guy going to succeed? And we know he's going to succeed, Pennex is, if he has great protection and good weapons and can throw down the field.

Speaker 104 That's where he excels. How's he going to fail, though?

Speaker 104 And that's as a scout, you better be prepared to walk into the GM's office and say, look,

Speaker 104 give me the reasons why he would fail and what we would have to do to prevent him from failing.

Speaker 104 Well, we got to see in a two-game span, right, in the CFP semifinal and the national championship, how he's going to succeed against Texas. Protection, deep ball,

Speaker 104 when everything's right, he's going to be able to pick you apart. And then we saw how he's going to fail.

Speaker 104 Mix up coverages, confuse him, make him stay in the pocket a quarter count longer than he's comfortable.

Speaker 104 And it's not that he can read as fast as any one of these guys, but it's the lack of mobility in the pocket and then the durability. And he's tough as nails.
He fought through that game, but he

Speaker 104 took too many hits. And I think that's going to happen in the league.
And I worry about him holding up, but he's had the multiple knee injuries in the past.

Speaker 104 But at the end of the day, it's interesting. When I talk to people in the league at the end of the season, let's go back to the beginning of the season.
Coming into the year, day three guy, okay?

Speaker 104 End of the season, third, fourth, that range. Then it was, you know, as the coaches got involved, it became absolutely second round.

Speaker 104 And now, as we get close and everyone's looking at it, you're starting to hear somewhere in the first. I've even heard rumors, maybe the Raiders at 13.
That's too rich for me.

Speaker 104 But I think Michael Pennix goes in the first round. Bo Nix is fascinating to me.
And I was talking to Kuiper about this the other day. Like, Bo Nix,

Speaker 104 everyone puts him at 12 to the, and again, I'm reading too many mock drafts this year because I'm bored at times. Bo Nix is going 12 and the Sean McVay, I'm just sorry, the Sean Payton

Speaker 104 comparing him to Drew Brees, and

Speaker 104 the running in college, the hand span. I've heard some of the most ridiculous things.
But Bo Nix, if he doesn't go 12 to Denver, is a second-round pick, according to everybody.

Speaker 104 Well, I talked to people in the league and everyone across the board, and it's the same thing as I see. He's a backup.
He's a great guy. Unbelievable interview.

Speaker 104 son of a former player at Auburn, a coach, all that. Like he's been around the game.
He's tough. He's everything you look for from a character and leadership standpoint.
But talent-wise,

Speaker 104 I don't see a first-rounder. So to me, Bo Nix belongs in the second round.
I think there are five quarterbacks that are going to go. Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels,

Speaker 104 Drake May, J.J. McCarthy, and Michael Penix.
And I think round two is where you'll see Bo Nicks.

Speaker 12 That makes sense.

Speaker 58 So, all right, so who's your favorite first-round pick that no one's talking about?

Speaker 59 Because we've obviously heard all about the quarterbacks, we've heard all about the wide receivers, we've heard about the top end offensive tackles.

Speaker 64 Who's the guy that you keep looking at?

Speaker 9 You're like, whoever gets this guy is going to be just so, so happy.

Speaker 104 I mentioned him before, but I'll go back to Lad McConkey.

Speaker 82 Okay.

Speaker 58 But he might not go in the first round. So, who else is going to?

Speaker 104 I'm going to say he's going in the first round.

Speaker 12 Oh, okay.

Speaker 104 Brayden Fisk from Florida State, defensive tackles, short arms. No one likes him.
Might go early early second, but so he doesn't fit what you're saying.

Speaker 104 But he's going to, I think he's going to outplay a lot of guys that go ahead of him. I think he's a star.

Speaker 104 I would say guys that are definitely going to go in the first round that are overlooked.

Speaker 6 I gave you

Speaker 104 Cooper DeGene. I'm just looking down my list.

Speaker 104 Quinyon Mitchell's got a lot of love.

Speaker 82 I mean, there's a lot.

Speaker 104 How about Nate Wiggins, cornerback Clemson?

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 87 Burner,

Speaker 104 everyone sees

Speaker 104 the 4-2-8.

Speaker 104 I think he ran a 4-2-8 at the combine, but he pulled a muscle when he did it. And that's what you worry about, these quick twitch guys.
But the thing is that he's not just a speed guy.

Speaker 104 He can play off coverage, press coverage. He plays zone and man.
I think that Nate Wiggins is going to wind up being a really good cornerback. And this is a good classic.

Speaker 104 Terry Ann Arnold from Alabama. Kool-Aid McKinstry is going to be late first, early second round, also the Alabama cornerback.
Quinyan Mitchell has had a phenomenal past couple of years.

Speaker 104 great at the senior bowl, exceptional combine workout. He just nailed the whole process.
So those guys are all going to

Speaker 104 come off the board in the first round with Cooper DeGene as well. But Nate Wiggins could wind up being, what, the third, fourth cornerback taken?

Speaker 104 And I think he could wind up being maybe, I don't want to say the best, but maybe the second best cornerback in this class.

Speaker 104 And I think he's ready to start right away, even though he's only 173 pounds.

Speaker 54 I like the answer because we just need one guy that when he gets picked, we can be like, oh, that's actually an incredible pick.

Speaker 103 Great value. Yeah, we know ball.

Speaker 103 I have a random name for you.

Speaker 16 I don't know if PFT knows this, but we have another Danny Woodhead who's going to get drafted.

Speaker 15 Dylan Love out of New Hampshire.

Speaker 12 You guys are really on this.

Speaker 5 Dylan Love out of New Hampshire caught 68 balls in 10 games as a running back.

Speaker 75 Where is he going to get drafted?

Speaker 8 And is he the new Danny Woodhead?

Speaker 104 He could be. And the only reason I say that, it's not because of the color of his skin.
You guys are really focusing on that.

Speaker 75 No, no, that's about the catching, catching passes. I didn't even know.

Speaker 12 White guy? I mean, look it up.

Speaker 33 Okay, hang on. Wait, stand by.

Speaker 62 When I watched this tape happen, I don't be white.

Speaker 12 He doesn't even know. It's gonna be white.

Speaker 32 I had no idea.

Speaker 59 Felix would say that.

Speaker 33 Dylan? Dylan. Yeah, Dylan.
From New Hampshire.

Speaker 12 All right.

Speaker 104 So we're off of that angle.

Speaker 12 No,

Speaker 104 it's because of the pass catching. He's like a receiver out of the running back spot.
I like him. He had a great week in the Senior Bowl.
Productive, tough.

Speaker 104 Some of his, if you go back and study his tape, too, some of his best production was in the biggest games against the best competition i i think he's going to be a

Speaker 104 it's an interesting running back class he's not going to be a first-rounder i think we could go late into the second round before a running back is taken jonathan brooks should be the first running back off the board uh coming out of texas i think there's going to be a bunch of guys in the third fourth fifth round range I would say worst case lobby is going to be sixth, but I honestly think he could go in the fifth.

Speaker 103 Okay, and then sticking on running backs, where's my guy, Braylon Allen?

Speaker 32 Like, I hope he does well as a pro.

Speaker 12 He needs to, obviously, he's not a great pass catcher, but I weirdly want him to go to the Chargers because I feel like Jim Harbaugh would just be like, all right, we got this beast.

Speaker 28 We can just run the ball right down your throat.

Speaker 104 Some teams will like him more than others. And I think, yeah, Harbaugh,

Speaker 104 I think teams that are gap power scheme, you know, want to run the ball north-south, give him 15 carries per game as a backup. It's rotating in and out.
He makes sense.

Speaker 104 I don't love him as much as some other guys do. I just think it's a league where you've got to be able to catch.
You've got to have something dynamic to create on your own.

Speaker 104 I know he generates yards after initial contact with his power. I think, to me, he's a fourth-round draft pick.
Best case, he goes in the third.

Speaker 12 Okay. All right.
All right.

Speaker 33 I love this time of year because we get the anonymous scouts that are leaking things all over the map.

Speaker 33 We get stories of, like, I think it was Justin Blackmun, where one team had a scout that spent a week in a bar just to see how many times Justin Blackman showed up to that bar.

Speaker 33 What's the weirdest story that you've heard of in terms of evaluating a player before the draft happens where a team is thinking something really strange outside the box to figure out whether or not this is going to be the guy they want?

Speaker 104 Oh, geez.

Speaker 104 Yeah, I mean, I've talked to scouts that have had to

Speaker 104 spend like a week in a small town

Speaker 23 and have fallen.

Speaker 104 Here's the thing that always surprises me. NFL teams have their security groups, right?

Speaker 104 And typically they're former FBI guys.

Speaker 104 And the lengths in which which they go and they send, like it won't be the director of security, but they'll send out one of their guys and

Speaker 104 like literally follow them.

Speaker 104 You know, like, like he's a suspect in a case. Yeah.

Speaker 104 That to me is like, it's pretty amazing that they will go to that. Like if they're considering first round, but we have concerns, you know, let's follow him around and see what he's doing.

Speaker 104 Because there is this free time. You know, and we saw that with sweat and defensive tackle from Texas.

Speaker 104 There's kind of this free time where where the pro days are done, some of the individual workouts, your schedule is done, and now this is this free time where you're not training for the combine anymore.

Speaker 104 We've seen year after year, players tend to get in trouble during this period, like the two weeks, three weeks leading up to the draft, because they finally can go settle down and they're done with the pre-draft process.

Speaker 104 And so, yeah,

Speaker 104 I think former FBI guys sending members of their staff to go literally follow

Speaker 104 their criminals.

Speaker 33 like good fellows like the helicopter following them around yeah yeah yeah i've only heard in cars but maybe the helicopter's been that's crazy so on that same note if the laramie tunsel draft happened today

Speaker 104 would any team drop him at all one or two spots off their board because he was smoking weed on camera no the the thing with laramie tunsel that that it was when the information came out right and there was obviously we know the we know the whole story now being a former handler a guy who thought he was going to make some money off of him, got pissed off and leaked it purposely that day so that teams didn't have time to call their security group and to go and get the answer.

Speaker 104 So it was like everyone was, basically, everyone, the top 10, was on the clock trying to figure it out.

Speaker 104 And so they didn't have the time. If it happened today, I mean, first of all, you know, I think we've come a long way with smoking pot, right? Yeah.

Speaker 104 I think it's viewed very differently now. So I don't think it would be nearly,

Speaker 104 I don't think it would drop it all, just to give you a quick answer. But it wasn't necessarily the quote-unquote crime as much as it was the timing of the incident.

Speaker 91 Yeah. All right.
I got a couple last questions.

Speaker 15 So in a war room on draft night,

Speaker 32 how does a good draft room work where the GM, he's got his big board.

Speaker 75 Is it so that a guy could stand up and be like, look, I'm going to put my reputation on this guy?

Speaker 12 Like, do, do each of the scouts have a certain amount of guys where they will stand up and be like, I want this guy.

Speaker 103 I'm telling you it's a good pick.

Speaker 104 So that's done before.

Speaker 104 None of this stuff is done.

Speaker 104 What's going on in the war room is the calls from other teams, you know, figuring out who's coming off the board, moving the players with their magnets off the board and all that stuff. So

Speaker 104 at that point, everything's set. Right.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 12 But...

Speaker 104 But the meetings before, some of the stories I get, and

Speaker 104 I can't share a whole lot, but some of the stories you get with like, you hear the pounding of the table, it's really just yelling and screaming across the, you know, and like, and teams got to the point, you know,

Speaker 104 a couple decades ago where

Speaker 104 it got so heated that teams were like, all right, listen, you know, whether it's like a red dot player or a star player, depending on the team, you get a sticker.

Speaker 104 And each scout gets to go up and whether it's one, two, three guys, depending on the organization, and put a sticker on that one or two guys from his area or the positions that he did.

Speaker 104 Because because the scouts, you got to remember, like, all these scouts get to know these players almost like you're recruiting them in the house, know their parents, know who their agents are, know all the background.

Speaker 104 They've done so much work on them, you know, personally, they get to really know the individual. And there's certain guys when you're done, and I've evaluated now in my region, 500 players, and

Speaker 104 whittled it down to like 100 guys that could be, you know, that we're presenting. And then the team only has 175 guys or 150 on our overall board.

Speaker 104 But like, once you set the board and there's less than a couple hundred players on that board, who are the guys that you're going to red stamp or put a star on?

Speaker 104 And that kind of, when you're on the board and all of a sudden, let's say you're in the, you know, pick 20 and 19 guys have come off the board, it's typically not a first rounder.

Speaker 104 It's much more like second, third, fourth round. But now we've got a cluster of five, six, seven guys with the same grade.

Speaker 104 And if position value, like if they don't have such a need and it's really about taking the best player, they'll look at that and say, you know what?

Speaker 104 Sammy, our Southeast Scout, swears by this guy. We'll put his reputation on the line.
That's where that stuff happens, is like two weeks leading up to the draft. Got it.

Speaker 12 Interesting.

Speaker 33 What's the spread like in a draft room? Like, do they eat dinner before they get started? Do they order pizza? Good question.

Speaker 56 Thanks.

Speaker 104 There's,

Speaker 104 listen, I've been working at ESPN. I know our spread, if I'm just going to be honest, was

Speaker 104 lacking. But

Speaker 104 we would order lunches and dinners, like, you know, sandwiches and stuff like that. And you just never want to eat anyway until it's done.

Speaker 104 And if you're Kuiper, you don't eat or take a sip of water for 72 hours. So, but in the in the draft room, like there's, there's food outside of the war room and then there's snacks.

Speaker 104 Like it's big snacks. Everyone talks about what the snacks are, who has the best snacks.

Speaker 104 You know, you lobby for what snacks you want. And obviously there's a hierarchy.
You have a big board.

Speaker 12 Yeah. You have a draft room.
You're in there.

Speaker 104 Like it's it's three days and like what else what else I mean you got you got your diet sodas you got your coffee and you get your snacks like it's just you and your snacks yeah yeah I'd be standing I'd be standing on the table for for Dots pretzels I'd be like bring bring in the Dots pretzels Swedish fish yeah give you a little chip

Speaker 12 yeah like it's all about relationships right

Speaker 104 like you got to know who's pulling the trigger who's making that decision like am I talking to the GM about this or do we have like a director of ops so yeah you've got to make sure you know the have a good relationship with the guy who's making that decision because now you're looking at 72 hours of your life.

Speaker 104 Yep. And if you get shitty snacks or snacks that you don't like,

Speaker 12 you're in a spot. Yeah, you're in a spot.

Speaker 33 I have like character concerns about Papa John's pizza, but

Speaker 33 I could work around those if the ceiling's high enough.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah, right, exactly.

Speaker 104 Right, like the breadsticks are better with the dipping sauce.

Speaker 81 Yes, yes.

Speaker 91 All right, I got one last question.

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Speaker 89 We love having Todd on every year.

Speaker 9 He's the best.

Speaker 1 I found out something that I, Mel Kuyper, is you just like every year you find out something new that just shocks you.

Speaker 49 So you can tell me if this is wrong or a little off.

Speaker 85 Mel Kuiper doesn't own a cell phone and he has five house phones.

Speaker 104 Yes.

Speaker 12 So let's pull this up here, right? What? Let's pull this up. What?

Speaker 104 Kuiper.

Speaker 104 All right. So I don't know if you can see.
Yeah. You probably can't.
I don't know. I've got one, two, three, four different numbers for Mel.

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 104 if I want to text, I was just texting the other, if I want to get through to

Speaker 28 Mel,

Speaker 104 Look at all these texts.

Speaker 12 What are they? They're just...

Speaker 104 It's Shakir.

Speaker 104 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 All right. So it's to his wife.

Speaker 104 I asked him, I asked him, I said, you know, I want any chance I could talk to Mel. Dude,

Speaker 104 I'm doing something with Mel next week. Let's put it that way.
I don't want to go into too much detail.

Speaker 104 And Kim writes back, hey, hey, Tom, how are you? Yeah, I'll ask him. I'm sure he'll get back to you today.
I'm like, all right, great.

Speaker 104 So, like, I got to work through, and I always busted them on that. And the problem is, you call the house and Kim will pick up.

Speaker 104 And like, hey, and I'll talk to Kim for like 10 minutes before before I even get to Mel. And then Mel will pick up from a different landline, right? It's not like a cell phone at home.

Speaker 104 It's like back in like the 80s where it's like you hear another phone, hey, Todd, how are you? What's going on?

Speaker 12 You know,

Speaker 104 it's definitely a throwback

Speaker 104 to my childhood. I don't even know if it was for you.

Speaker 12 Yeah, no, yeah, house phones for sure.

Speaker 82 You got your landlines and all that?

Speaker 12 Yeah, landlines, big time.

Speaker 104 I just picture Kuiper like pacing with the cord getting stuck around him.

Speaker 12 Yeah, yeah. And it's just, it's crazy to have no cell phone, but five land lines.

Speaker 33 Yeah, that's wild. I wonder if he even has wireless phones or if they're just cordless.

Speaker 33 Oh, I mean cordless or has the cord that like you said gets wrapped around because I'll tell you like I because I've been talking to Mel a lot recently.

Speaker 104 It sounds like he's picking it. You know what I mean?

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 47 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 104 It's not like that click and the beep.

Speaker 104 Yeah, it sounds like he is like picking it up.

Speaker 104 Yeah, I think he. I'll get to the bottom of it.

Speaker 56 I'll shoot you a text.

Speaker 104 I'm pretty sure his hand is going down. He's picking it up and there's a cord coming.

Speaker 12 I love that. That's incredible.

Speaker 1 Well, Todd, thank you as always, man.

Speaker 9 We really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 You're the best, and we're excited for draft.

Speaker 104 Yeah, let's go. Appreciate you guys.
All right.

Speaker 12 Thanks, Todd.

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Speaker 12 Okay,

Speaker 59 let's wrap up the show.

Speaker 33 There's one other thing that we didn't talk about with McShea with the draft that I meant to mention last week. It's also related to Top Golf, which is a good sponsor.

Speaker 33 Did you hear about how the Commanders did their visits with all the top prospects?

Speaker 16 Oh, in Top Golf?

Speaker 33 I think they had 20 different guys. I like this.
But what they did was they took all of them. to top golf at the same time.
And they just watched them play top golf and watched them compete.

Speaker 33 I like it. So we had like Jaden, Drake, JJ, all those guys just playing top golf and evaluating them.
I'm going to wait to see how this plays out to determine whether or not I like that or not. Yeah.

Speaker 33 But it's still kind of a.

Speaker 12 Watch them compete. I guess it's.

Speaker 33 JJ was there? I think so.

Speaker 12 Shut the fuck up. Oh, no.
I'm just.

Speaker 33 Oh, Hank, you and your little smug, smug face.

Speaker 16 He's feeling himself.

Speaker 33 Yeah, he is.

Speaker 12 I was just clarifying.

Speaker 33 We can't do a podcast when you have a double win weekend.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 33 The double win weekends are just. Really talkative this week.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah. You're

Speaker 12 killing.

Speaker 66 Max is nodding

Speaker 12 violently.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 27 Mr.

Speaker 70 Pear, try to win one pick challenge.

Speaker 91 That's all he's going to do is try to win one fucking pick.

Speaker 83 This stupid fucking turtle.

Speaker 11 Well, I thought we were talking about the...

Speaker 2 Yeah, the play-in game.

Speaker 27 Technically, the stats don't count, so Mr.

Speaker 68 Pear, you could say it's zero and zero.

Speaker 33 Zero and zero. If you want to give him that excuse, I personally don't believe in excuses.

Speaker 11 I think we've got to switch to puck.

Speaker 85 Well, we're going to do puck, too.

Speaker 68 So he's got the Knicks and Sixers out there right now.

Speaker 23 We're going to see what he does

Speaker 3 while we wait for Max to set it up.

Speaker 12 I had a hypothetical for you guys.

Speaker 57 Just a crazy hypothetical.

Speaker 15 You ready for it?

Speaker 15 If you could pick

Speaker 28 any decade that you could live in instead of this one, what would you pick?

Speaker 12 Hypothetically?

Speaker 84 Hypothetically.

Speaker 33 I think a couple spring to mind.

Speaker 12 Wait, wait.

Speaker 12 Any decade? Any decade. You want me to go first?

Speaker 33 The 1215s would be pretty cool. Yeah.
The 60s?

Speaker 7 I would go 1830s with no racism.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 66 I just think that would rock.

Speaker 61 Don't you guys?

Speaker 33 What happened in the 1830s?

Speaker 61 Just no racism, though.

Speaker 33 Going towards the Sixers.

Speaker 69 It's going towards the Sixers?

Speaker 61 Would you guys say that's profound by me?

Speaker 16 Would you say that's almost poetry?

Speaker 33 I think it's... Yeah, this is very deep.
Why? Who said that?

Speaker 12 Taylor Swift. Okay.

Speaker 32 That's one of her lyrics.

Speaker 12 You know what?

Speaker 2 My friends used to play a game where we would pick a decade we wished we could live in.

Speaker 65 Instead of this, I'd say the 1830s, but without all the racists and getting married off for the highest bid.

Speaker 33 Okay, so here's the thing about that.

Speaker 11 Hoping they'll let us down.

Speaker 1 Oh, he went sixers.

Speaker 12 Sixers hard.

Speaker 33 I want to get back to Taylor, though, for just one second, if I could.

Speaker 12 Do the puck. Do the puck.
Get the puck.

Speaker 33 So why didn't she just say like

Speaker 33 the entirety of

Speaker 33 the world without racism?

Speaker 3 No, she mentions sexism. She said

Speaker 91 she was getting married off for the highest.

Speaker 33 Why is she only getting rid of racism in the 1830s? Good question. Like, some may say it was worse in the 1840s.
Yeah.

Speaker 33 And then now that decade is just super racist.

Speaker 32 Also, if you got rid of it earlier, maybe you get rid of a lot of other bad shit.

Speaker 33 You know what? I would get rid of all the racists.

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 95 Well, she did say,

Speaker 41 yeah, I'd say the 1830s, but without all the racists.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 85 What a

Speaker 76 beautiful line.

Speaker 33 Racists in the 1820s post. Wiping their brow.
That was a close one.

Speaker 8 What are you saying, Max?

Speaker 76 Hank's help. I'm going to switch.

Speaker 1 So, Mr. Paris picked the Sixers.

Speaker 33 I did listen to the Taylor Swift album in its entirety.

Speaker 80 I listened to some of it.

Speaker 33 I think.

Speaker 68 You must have missed that banger of a line.

Speaker 33 I did miss that one banger.

Speaker 33 Some of the songs kind of sound the same.

Speaker 68 Some people were saying, not me,

Speaker 15 that

Speaker 52 it was mid.

Speaker 12 Some of the songs, I can't tell the difference. Yeah.
I'm like, oh, did I already listen to this one? But that was like three songs ago.

Speaker 8 Well, if you have 30 songs, do you have an album?

Speaker 12 I thought it was great.

Speaker 11 Was the GGA line true?

Speaker 70 It is very funny watching people

Speaker 41 just say, I saw some people just say, I'm a huge Swifty.

Speaker 59 I love all her music.

Speaker 68 I did not think this was a great album.

Speaker 12 And people just fucking ruining them.

Speaker 32 Just ruining them.

Speaker 33 I am, uh, well, listen, she's versatile, okay? She can do pop, she can do R ⁇ B, she can do country. Maple leafs.
Name one other female singer that can do all three of those things.

Speaker 33 She's an incredible artist.

Speaker 16 It's okay if she didn't have

Speaker 12 angry tonight.

Speaker 28 Not everyone has the best albums all the time.

Speaker 11 She said, touch me while, I don't know, she said, touch me while your bros play Grand Theft Auto.

Speaker 15 Another poem. That's a poetry.

Speaker 12 That's a poetry line.

Speaker 37 Did she really say that?

Speaker 29 That's poetry. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Are you sure?

Speaker 11 Yeah, someone told me that last night who I wasn't sure if that was, you know, I believed him or not.

Speaker 19 Canucks won.

Speaker 15 Okay, I'm looking.

Speaker 33 I'm going to have to. I'm checking this right now.

Speaker 39 So, Mr.

Speaker 41 Pear has the Maple Leafs and the Sixers.

Speaker 45 Oh, no.

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Speaker 32 Yeah, they are.

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Speaker 11 Pear Fade parlay.

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Speaker 33 Yeah, Fade the Turtle.

Speaker 39 I'm going to give Mr. Pear one more shot.

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Speaker 79 Look at him. He's fucking eating.
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Speaker 12 Brand new.

Speaker 82 Full throttle.

Speaker 4 Was Aristotle.

Speaker 33 Touch me while your bros play Grand Theft Auto.

Speaker 1 Was Aristotle was a pedophile?

Speaker 33 Oh, probably.

Speaker 33 All those guys.

Speaker 37 All those guys just like, they just hung out at the pool pool and just got sucked off by little kids.

Speaker 12 Damn.

Speaker 68 And those are the smartest guys?

Speaker 33 The smartest guys ever.

Speaker 12 Smartest guys ever.

Speaker 96 Literally ever. Yeah.

Speaker 33 Yeah, that's what we're taught. Okay.

Speaker 29 Makes sense.

Speaker 65 Mr. Pear,

Speaker 21 I like that, that we're like roasting Aristotle while we have a fucking

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Speaker 33 Aristotle's overage.

Speaker 12 Those morons.

Speaker 33 Aristotle's overage. Socrates.
Now that's a thinker.

Speaker 77 Plato, what was he?

Speaker 2 He was a pedophile?

Speaker 15 Probably, yeah.

Speaker 11 One of Plato's dialogues says Socrates took a youth question only to bet him later on.

Speaker 56 The age of the young man, but he disputed.

Speaker 12 Fucking God.

Speaker 11 Plato almost certainly didn't because we know from his writings that he only

Speaker 11 thought only heterosexual sex is truly beneficial. Aristotle probably didn't.

Speaker 12 Yeah, but you can be

Speaker 11 pedestrian the act of being a pedophile?

Speaker 33 I think it's, yeah.

Speaker 11 This is actually around the time that pedestrians started to be

Speaker 56 by most philosophers.

Speaker 71 Yeah, you go get your, like, you get your degree in pedestry.

Speaker 11 Oh, Stoic was a philosopher? Yeah.

Speaker 33 That makes sense. No, no, Stoic is a philosophy.
Stoicism? I don't know. Maybe there was a guy named Stoic.

Speaker 11 Epicurus and the Stoics and the Stoics. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 I'd love to get, like, I want, has anyone written about Aristotle is a definite no.

Speaker 11 He came from Macedonia and was appalled by the

Speaker 33 Macedonia.

Speaker 12 Macedonia.

Speaker 32 Have they ever, like, there had to have been one dude in that crew who just wasn't smart enough to come up with something really awesome?

Speaker 15 Like.

Speaker 33 Well, I think that dude was Alexander the Great because they taught him and then he tried to rephrase what they said and became like a philosopher king.

Speaker 33 But everyone was just like, oh, yeah, you're so smart because he would have killed him.

Speaker 12 Yeah. But

Speaker 53 I'm saying like of not even a king, like one of the, like, there's probably like a fat dude like named Doug who was just like, what about this, Socrates?

Speaker 90 Like, nah, bro.

Speaker 12 He don't got it.

Speaker 102 I want to know his story.

Speaker 62 Yeah.

Speaker 82 He's just like a guy that failed.

Speaker 59 Yeah, he

Speaker 92 he was going to be next up, and he just could never quite, he could never quite get it all together.

Speaker 33 Like the class clown in there, how much Aristotle must have hated anybody that made jokes during his class? Yeah. Somebody that was cooler than him.

Speaker 11 Socrates and Plato are famously known for not cheating on their wives.

Speaker 12 That sounds like they cheated on their wives. Yeah.

Speaker 21 Who wrote that, Socrates?

Speaker 12 Well, they probably were like, it's not cheating on my wife if it's a kid. Yeah.

Speaker 59 They probably had stupid rules like that.

Speaker 33 I spent the entire entire last summer not cheating on my wife.

Speaker 14 Hank, maybe we need to maybe we need Hank to just give us philosophy 101.

Speaker 33 If David Stern was in a class with Socrates and asked him, Have you stopped beating your wife yet? Socrates' brain would have exploded.

Speaker 33 Yeah, like I've not even thought of pondering such a question so smart.

Speaker 94 And then Doug in the background would have been like, No, he beats her every fucking week.

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 12 like, shut up, Doug.

Speaker 85 The fuck, man.

Speaker 78 Trying to do some philosophy and diddle some kids.

Speaker 1 All right. Numbers.

Speaker 33 Was Socrates gay?

Speaker 11 Well, he gave me a BJ at a gay club in Athens.

Speaker 56 It's 230 B.C.

Speaker 12 Draw your own conclusions.

Speaker 12 Eight.

Speaker 11 40. Did you say it? 40.

Speaker 12 I did say 18.

Speaker 12 20.

Speaker 66 18.

Speaker 12 What was the total numbers?

Speaker 61 Oh, 73. 73.

Speaker 93 99.

Speaker 105 21.

Speaker 56 Hey, did you say it? 40.

Speaker 47 What's 40, Hank?

Speaker 11 Geordie, 40.

Speaker 15 Okay, that didn't answer that.

Speaker 83 36.

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