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And PFT, in the words of Anthony Edwards, they got KD, but we got Jaden McDaniels. That's what happened.
Here we go. That's what happened for the Timberwolves.
Even Steven. Yeah, he said that on February 9th, 2023, when the Suns traded for Kevin Durant,

and he was asked about that trade and what the West is going to look like.

And he said, we got Jayden McDaniels.

Jayden McDaniels was the best player on the court tonight.

He did it.

He outscored KD by seven points.

He was awesome.

They got Jayden McDaniels.

The Suns are dead.

I proclaimed it.

The Suns are dead.

They don't look like they have any life to them whatsoever. They look, they look at Niemic.
Bradley Beal looks pretty bad. No trade clause, by the way, for Bradley Beal.
So I think he's like the sixth highest player in the NBA. They're going to be stuck with that for a little bit.
I can't tell the sons. I don't think the sons were going to do anything in these playoffs anyways, but I also think that the Timberwolves might just be good.
The Timberwolves are good, and they're deep. Like, Jay McDaniels was better than Carl Anthony Towns and Anthony Edwards tonight.
Mike Conley was incredible, just dicing them up, pick and roll with Rudy Gobert. Like, the Timberwolves' two stars did not play great, and the Timberwolves still won easily because they're just so much better defensively, and the Suns play iso ball.
It's terrible basketball to watch. And, yeah, I think the Timberwolves are really, really good, and I just love that Anthony Edwards' quote turned out to be prophetic with the they got KD, we got Jay McDaniels.
Everyone laughed at him. He was dead right.
Yeah, the Suns' offense typically looks to be prophetic with the they got KD we got Jay McDaniels everyone laughed at him he was dead right yeah the Suns offense typically looks to be um it is actually heliocentric in the words of our good friend Ryan Russillo but you you just you drive to the bucket and then you kick it out and you panic so it's like usually Booker he'll take it towards the hole defense collapses on him and then he'd I do? Tries to find a guy on the outside, makes a clumsy pass, ends up with a bad three-point opportunity. It's a tough offense to watch right now.
Yeah, and KD just stands around, and he gets his points, but it is very tough to watch, and you said it on Monday. They miss Chris Paul, and I know they don't miss actual Chris Paul at this age, but they miss a point guard because Devin Booker's not a point guard he's a great player but he's not a point guard and it's like their offense just looks like crap and I do think they'll they'll still win a game or two here going back to Phoenix but the Timberwolves just look younger fresher hungrier better defensively they're ready to I should say, thinking back to the term heliocentric,

the way that Ryan uses it.

Yeah, you didn't use it right.

No, but I did in a weird way because they're heliocentric

but with like three different players.

Three sons.

They have three sons.

Three sons.

They have three sons and the earth revolves around all three

of those sons at the same time.

But whenever those guys get the ball, it's like they're the only guy on the court. There's only one ball.
Also, shout out Frank Vogel. Maybe don't use your last timeout with seven minutes or eight minutes left in the game.
That felt like maybe you want to hold on to at least one. Not that I thought the game was going to go different because of that, but that was a head scratcher.
I was like, what is going on? Like, if you need to change anything, if you need this timeout later, you're just fucked. Well, it's all the separate runs that the Timberwolves end up going on.
And Vogel's like, got to stop this run. Got to take the air out of the ball real quick.
But that happened too many times, and you didn't have enough timeouts. I also have a vibes stat for this game, and it has nothing.
It's based on absolutely nothing. I'm sure someone will actually give me the stats and say I'm wrong.
I don't think Devin Booker's good when he wears a headband. I can live with that.
I don't know why. I think maybe his head is too constricted.
He wears a tight headband. That might be the case.
I think it has partially do that, also partially not having the offense run like a cohesive offense where you have, like you said, a facilitator, somebody that's like in charge of what's going on in the court, and then he plays off that guy, but the headband also makes a difference. Yeah, and the Suns offense is horrific to watch in these last two games.
It also is the Timberwolves defense just being so goddamn good, and they're in your face. They've just been playing such good basketball.
It's like Rudy Gobert might be Hank's best opportunity for a Jokic stopper. Oh, we're just finding Jokic stoppers every time.
Every show is just, Hank, where are you feeling right now, Hank?

Who's the team?

Is it the Timberwolves?

Yeah, probably the Timberwolves.

Okay, you're a Timberwolves fan now.

Just hopping from rock to rock.

Could be the Clippers, though.

Could be the Clippers.

After they just lost.

Yeah, but the matchup.

And Kawhi came back.

I'm doing a lot of matchup research.

Okay, give us your matchup research. Clippers are more physical.
They got the stars on the perimeter, physical front. They also run an offense that can sometimes look very bogged down and like a bunch of dudes standing in the paint.
Like, what are we doing? But, yeah, they are physical. Kawhi came back.
We lost our who comes back first, yannis or kawaii and i he came back in the in the best what did you say kawaii was gonna come back first i said kawaii i said kawaii can come back any day yeah i mean he did it in the most kawaii fashion where he just showed up at uh practice today like walked in and everyone's like oh is he playing okay he's playing and then they lost so they probably need him to get injured again yeah i

don't know what that was about because he's been out what since late march yeah he's been out since the end of march yeah yeah the end of march and you would think that if he was good for game two he would have been for good for game one right like we're talking about a matter of days here and i i read some i there was some report out there i forget who actually put it out somebody We could find it.

But they were saying that Kawhi has been working his way back,

and this has been the target timeframe for a couple weeks now. But I guess just two days ago, it wasn't right.
It wasn't right yet. It had to be just perfectly good for him.
Yeah, it had to be exactly what he needs. The Mavs were like, when Kyrie and Luka are both playing like they did

tonight, they are fun to watch

and Luka is... What was

the line from Ian Eagle?

Jake, I'm sure you loved it. You might have

creamed your dockers there.

He said he is that guy or something like that.

What do you say?

I think that was it.

And it was true. I love

Luka just shit talks too. He'll hit a big shot and he'll just turn around to just no one or everyone and just shit talk it's usually the person closest to him and uh 99 of the time that's the referee so it doesn't matter what happens on any play luca just stares at the ref screams at him or at the very least just like stares daggers at him and mean mugs him.
It got so bad tonight, actually, that he got teed up. Yeah.
For saying the for saying the end word and one. Yeah.
And he was right. It wasn't and one, but they gave it a technical foul.
And then I think James Harden made a free throw for the Clippers. Yeah.
So it wasn't and one technically, but it was just the very rare and one for the team that didn't score. I just like it.
I don't know. He's just got he's got that shit to him.
He also Luka has to lead the league in garments worn during a game. I feel like he's I feel like we're going to get to a point where Luka just where plays a game and he's just like there's no skin showing.
Yeah, or what he might do is come out there with like two full sleeves and then they're like tear away like tear away tear-away pants. So he tears away the forearm on one for the first quarter, entire sleeve on another, leaves just a wristband behind maybe.
But my take was that Luka – I think Luka desperately needs therapy, but I also think that it would be very, very bad for him as a basketball player. I feel like that shit that he has makes him excellent, but he's just – he's always angry.
Yeah, he is. He's always angry.
And then the last game we had in the NBA was Pacers-Bucs. I want to – you know what? I'm going to put my hand up and retract what I said on Sunday when I said if the Bucs play the Celtics, Giannis would be the best player and then the next four best players would be on the Celtics.
A lot of Bucs fans, I heard you. I like that.
You're listening. You're mad.
You're angry. I like that.
Let's get the debate going. I think the second best player in the series would actually be Damian Lillard in the first half, and then the eighth best player in the series would be Damian Lillard in the second half.
So that's my correction because he was was awesome again in the first half, and then he just ran out of gas. He's their only option right now.
He just ran out of gas. I actually have Pat Bev as the best player, and then Giannis, and then the Celtics, then Dame.
Yeah, that was one of those takes I just threw as a throwaway, and then I heard from a lot of people. I still think I'd probably take three Celtics maybe not four but

three over

over Dame but we can have that debate we can

continue to have that debate but this was

like a very classic

case of they need Giannis very badly

because Pascal Siakam was incredible

and they again

ran out of gas like Damian Lillard was so

good in the first half and in the

second half there were stretches where he wasn't touching the

ball it's like he there the Bucks

are an older roster and the

Thank you. again, ran out of gas.
Like Damian Lillard was so good in the first half, and in the second half, there were stretches where he wasn't touching the ball. It's like he – the Bucs are an older roster, and the Pacers were like, we're just going to run all over them, and it worked.
They ran him out of – they just ran him out of the gym. A few times in the second half, the Bucs looked like it was going to be a game.
They looked like they were getting within that striking distance, and then you'd look up, the Pacers had opened up like a nine point lead within a matter of seconds on him.

Yeah.

And Tyrese Halbert is so good.

He's so good at making everyone else good.

I know that's a very stupid thing to say, but it's like, if you watch it,

he is just good at making everyone else good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's also got a crazy voice, which I had never heard until I listened to his

post-game press conference.

Have you heard him talk?

I don't know if I have. He's got a very – it's like a super smooth, unexpected voice.
Okay. All right, so shout-out Tyrese Halliburton.
One of the better ones in the NBA, I'd say. And the last thing I had on this game is I don't actually know what Jake Crowder does, but he's on another team in the playoffs.
He's got the best career of just being on teams in the playoffs i don't know i i mean doc rivers people will blame doc rivers because he's easy foil the bucks have like major problems when you're the major problems when yannis is out on the court because they have to play guys that probably shouldn't be on the court as much as they are and jay crowder is i just don't know what he does jay crowder he he'll hit some like unexpected threes occasionally for you he'll hustle he's physical i think he's a leader i think his teammates like him a lot but yeah that's what he does he bounces around he's always on a playoff team always finds himself in the conversation sometime in like mid-may there's always a nice team yeah he seems like a cool guy to be teammates with so i think that's what his value is it. It's like, I enjoy hanging out with Jay Crowder.
Yeah, but then you can't have Jay Crowder playing 15 minutes in a playoff game. I'm down for all that.
Yeah, that actually is intangibles that you need, but he probably shouldn't be playing in this series. He's like a slightly better Udonis Haslam for the last, like,

four or five Haslam seasons.

Yeah, he's just – he's cooked.

And, yeah, I mean, this is going to be a fun series.

I hope Giannis comes back.

I still think, like, it will be a competitive series even if Giannis comes back.

But it's just – it's like Pascal Siakam was so good, and it's just like,

yeah, you need Giannis to guard him.

I don't know what else you could do.

If Giannis comes back, you also won't be 100% Giannis.

Yeah, true.

Although I'd take 75% Giannis right now to guard Siakam.

I think 50% Giannis can beat 75% Embiid.

Ooh, well, is Embiid ever at 75%?

No.

So he's actually, I'm talking about like 75% of 50%.

Got it.

Yes.

Yeah.

I'd agree with that.

We're going to talk all the Monday night stuff back in studio.

This is just for all the games that finish late.

So don't worry.

We get into all of that. PFT, would you like to break down advanced analytics on the Capitals game? Yeah, I mean, I'll keep it real quick.
It was a tough loss tonight, but using the proprietary algorithm that we set forward after game one, I have the Capitals actually winning this game three goals to two, so the Caps take a commanding 2-0 series lead on the road. And we're coming back to D.C.
Verizon Center on Friday. Going to be incredible.
Hopefully clinch it at home after two more home wins. But what I have here, I'm going to eliminate three minutes from the game and show how the Caps won.
So I think it was 15-40 in the second period. The Caps got called for a penalty.
You would think that I would want to keep that on the board, but what actually happened was the Rangers scored a shorthanded goal. They probably should have scored three shorthanded goals tonight.
It was atrocious power play by the Caps. So they got a shorthanded goal.
So I would wipe that off the board entirely. And also during the game, it was pretty obvious that the real score of the game was three for the Caps, three for the Rangers, one for the referees, because the refs just absolutely gave that game to the Rangers.
And also they didn't call an egregious hit on TJ Oshie, which Tom Wilson would have been thrown into Volcano if he had done it. He would have been kicked out of the league and murdered if that was him throwing that hit in there.
So I'm taking that one goal, the shorthanded goal off in three minutes, and then the Capitals then win that game three goals to two goals, and then one goal still for the refs. Okay, so up to nothing.
Now, what would we say to the haters being like, I wish this was the Red Wings? I would probably agree with the haters. Okay.
Tip it to the haters. Today, you've been right, haters.
Sometimes the haters absolutely are correct. Yeah, for sure.
And I think that – hats off to the haters. They called this one.
You nailed it. I agree with all of them.
You're absolutely right. And I will admit when I've been bested by you, and you guys had it right from the start.
But it's a tough series to watch so far. Ovi had one shot on goal in this game.
And then at the very end of the game with, I think like a second left, maybe half a second left puck on a stick front of the crease and the puck just kind of scoots by him. It's, it's been tough.
Like when Spencer Carberry has the balls to call out Alexander Ovechkin, you know that there's a real problem. And having your head coach call you out publicly like that after the game, probably deserved.
He needs to show up. He needs to do something because he was great the second half of the season, but he looks like he just doesn't want to be out there.
Shit. But we're up to nothing.
We're up to nothing right now. The Red Wings would probably have already won the series if they were, I think, because they're way better than the gaps.
But, yeah up by two two uh two games right now and we'll see what happens on friday and we should just mention i mean that lightning panthers game was some of the best goaltending ever for like two and a half or it's about a period and a half because it was like from half or whatever somewhere in the second period till the till they went to overtime was just insane. It was, it should have been like a six, six game.
Bob made one of the greatest saves ever diving back across the crease. I, it was just, it was awesome playoff hockey.
And then it was a great goal in, in overtime. It was like a reverse spin move that he pulled across the street, stuck his hand out there and got, they're calling it the Bobbery.
Ooh, I like that. Yeah.
That's a great one. I mean, It was like a reverse spin move that he pulled across the street, stuck his hand out there, and got – they're calling it the Bobbery.
Oh, I like that. Yeah, that's a pretty good one.
I mean, it was just – both goalies were just insane. It was just back and forth, and both goalies were just standing on their head.
Yeah, you need to have – if you're going to be an elite goalie, you have to have at least one save that has a nickname to it. Yeah, and then I saw the memes of Bob the builder he's building the wall around the gold that's nice

i like that um yeah abs tied it up and predators tied it up so we got one ones everywhere pretty much well two oh capitals a lot of good hockey yeah a lot of good hockey that's the one lopsided series it pains me every every time they play looking at the odds and the puck line and And just how deeply, deeply favored the Rangers are in this series

compared to every – It pains me every time they play looking at the odds in the puck line and just how deeply, deeply favored the Rangers are in this series

compared to every other series out there.

Hank, I don't like your face.

No, I mean, I hopped in.

I appreciate that.

PFT kind of, I believed him.

I was like, 150 to 1, like, that's crazy.

In hockey, you get a hot goalie.

They're playing well at the end of the year. And then you just watch the games.
Okay. It's totally fair.
And you guys are absolutely right. Like, the Capitals, they were such a weird, shitty team this year.
But they were kind of fun because they found ways to just pull rabbits out of their ass every single time. It's much harder to do against maybe the best team in hockey.
But, Hank, I didn't tell you to bet on the Capitals. No, no, no, no.
You didn't. No, this was all me.
It's much harder to do against maybe the best team in hockey.

But I think I didn't tell you to bet on the cap.

No, no, no, no, no.

You didn't know.

This was all me.

It's the same thing as I'm saying.

I'll say later in the episode about the Leafs where it's like, oh, OV TJ Oshie championship experience.

They got a hot goalie.

Yeah.

Left-handed goalie.

Yeah.

Crazy things have happened.

Yeah.

All right.

We're going to kick it to our show.

Maybe not.

I don't know.

Now that I think about it, I don't.

I don't know. Now that I think about it, I don't.
I don't remember a crazier thing that's ever happened in sports than the Capitals beating the Rangers in the first round of this playoff series. I don't think that's happened.
Yeah. Sitting at two.
It wouldn't have been the craziest before the series started because like who knows. But now I'd say it would be pretty crazy.
If the Caps come back and win this, that is the craziest moment in sports history. It's bigger than the Miracle on Ice.
Way bigger than Miracle. Way bigger than the Ryan Garcia upset.
It's – there's just a lot of stuff. Buster Douglas.
For a second. Yeah.
Yeah. All right.
Before – so we're going to kick it to ourselves and talk about everything Monday night, and then we have three great interviews. But I just wanted to, because this is basically a time travel.
We're going to go back to the afternoon. Max has to go through all the stages of grief.
I just want to say, my boy Max, I heard reports. He hit two dingers tonight in softball.
So that's a positive thing. Two dingers.
Nice work. How was what was that, Hank? No, I was going to say I can confirm that.
I don't want to confuse the people even more. But I also heard reports after we recorded what we were about to listen to.
TFT and Max were just screaming at each other for like two hours off camera.

But I would like to get some more details on that.

It was Max screaming.

Yes, that was an overreaction by me.

That was an overreaction.

Max was screaming at PFT.

PFT was sitting just kind of lightly trolling.

And then they come out of the part of my take studio.

The entire office was standing up, looking down the being like what is going on and then max did a move that uh it was basically like a five-year-old's move he sat down at his desk and he pressed his hands over his ears so hard that i had to like grab him be like dude you're gonna hurt yourself he was like this like that trying to block out PFT talking and uh meanwhile it was a whole fucking circus because then memes had he was taking Mr. Pear for a walk so it was like Mr.
Pear like he kept memes kept on screaming like Max would get up and pace he'd be like Mr. Pear watch out for Mr.
Pear and PFT was just like walking behind it was just a was quite something so I mean the rest of this episode is quite something as well. That led to two diggers so yeah he had the rage going then when the two hands over the years didn't work and I was still trying to talk to him he just got up walked grabbed some headphones and sat down put the headphones on at the computer to drown me out but the look on our co-workers faces of genuine concern.
I don't know if it was concern for me or if it was concern for Max. But either way, they were shocked.
And I had to tell them, like, it's okay. A shit upstairs in the bathroom.
Yeah. You could hear Matt screaming.
No, it was a bunch of people who were standing up being like, is part of my take about to break up? I had to be like, no, no, just the NBA pool report came out. That's what memes was most concerned about was like, he didn't want Mr.
Pear to see members of the family fighting with each other. His papas? Yeah, he still has Mr.
Pear thinking that we're all one big, cohesive, loving family. And that was Mr.
Pear's first glimpse into like, whoa, maybe I entered a broken home right now. It was also just a funny, like I was trying to be the peacemaker for once.
I was like trying to calm Max down. So yeah, that's a great.
What? The silence was actually a mature move by me because if I would have kept going, if I didn't go silent i would have just started screaming in circles and i also am so bad at arguing that's my worst flaw is that i am i am so bad at articulating my points that i just scream and it just nothing makes sense even though i was a thousand percent right i still disagree that you were a thousand percent right i'll'll show you the ESPN article. You just don't understand that you're the only person on the planet that is reading that report that way.
The only person on the planet. The only person on the planet.
ESPN is lying. I don't get my information.
I don't get my information from people that are quote-tweening the release from the NBA refs and then promoting it to their Philly audience. This is going to be confusing for people.
Yeah, this is going to be very confusing. I just wanted to stir Max up more.
Let's kick it to ourselves. We're going to discuss discuss everything Monday night.
We also get the pool report in the middle of discussing

everything. So it will all make sense once you listen

to the next part of the show. So let's kick it back to ourselves

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Okay. All right.
One, two, three. Cal and Irish.
Bruins Maple Leafs. Oh, I said Cavs Magic.
Bruins Maple Leafs. I said Islanders.
Oh, man, we got a whole... You know what? Okay, since we can't come to a decision on any of those ones that we really want to do, let's look at the ones that we didn't say.

Yeah, okay.

So there's the Lakers and the Nuggets, the 76ers and the Knicks.

Yeah.

So which of those two do you think we should talk about?

Well, you did say Lakers, Nuggets.

But I said that –

You didn't say 76ers, Knicks, so I think that's got to be the one.

That might be the last one.

Okay, so let's talk 76ers, Knicks.

Okay, so Big Cat, I didn't get to watch this game, so I have no idea what happened. Okay, so here's what happened.
Oh, he's taking off his headphones. Philadelphia 76ers were up four points.
Really? With under a minute. But hold on.
I didn't finish. Tyrese Maxx had diarrhea.
Tyrese Maxey had diarrhea. The 76ers' official Twitter account posted a picture of Tyrese Maxey looking like he had the flu, hands on his knees, and Michael Jordan.
From the flu game. From the flu game.
The Bulls won that game. If you don't remember, the Bulls did win that game.
The Sixers did not win this game.

So the Knicks scored eight points in 27 seconds to win this game.

So boxing out is important.

Yep.

Actually calling timeouts is important.

Getting inbounds passes, just hypothetically.

Getting inbounds passes is important.

Hitting free throws is important.

All these things are important to basketball and winning games uh yeah so i kind of lied a second ago when i said that i didn't watch this game because i did but then my cable cut out when there were i think like 14 seconds left in the game yeah so i didn't see the end um so what you're telling me is very very surprising. The cable cut out and then I saw that the 76ers were protesting, filing an official grievance about the end of the game.
So I don't know what happened, yada, yada, yada, in those seconds. So, okay.
So you know what, PFT, because that does suck that your cable cut out. I actually have a transcript that I could read.
Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. Be like I'm there.
We call this the five five stages of grief all right so here it goes uh first first part of the transcript that didn't just fucking happen okay that's denial how did that three go down how did that these are all separate tweets by the way how did that just happen how did that just happen those are two different tweets these are three different tweets how did that just happen he said this that i'll just read them all that didn't just fucking happen new tweet how did that three go down new tweet how did that just happen how did that just happen that's all the same twitter silenced me like five times last night lowry has to make that free throw new tweet i shit, man. New tweet.
Absolutely done. I can't keep watching heartbreak like this.
New tweet. I'm absolutely gutted.
I can't keep watching losses like this. It just can't keep happening.
New tweet. I'm absolutely devastated.
I keep saying I've never felt this bad, and then a new devastating way to lose continues to happen. New tweet.
How does that happen? New tweet. he has to make that fucking free throw these are all just the same tweet he just keeps going repetitively new tweet i just need to know how that happens new tweet how do you lose that game new tweet in no way can you lose that game new tweet the kawaii shot in this both of those losses have happened in our lifetime he's talking about jalen brunson hitting the front of the rim having it go up like five feet in the air and then go down new tweet how do you not call a timeout new tweet he did call a fucking timeout what the fuck is this this is the bargaining phase i believe no so i actually broke it down okay into five so there are five stages of grief that you have let me yeah first is denial yeah second is anger Third is bargaining.
So we've reached the bargaining stage because I had denial being, that didn't just fucking happen. That didn't just happen or how did that happen? No, it's that didn't just fucking happen.
And then anger was, he did call a fucking timeout. What the fuck is this? And then bargaining was...
I have it. I have it coming up.
So he then goes, new tweet. i don't know what to do right now new tweet here's the bargaining we will get a better whistle at home yep that's the bargaining and then he goes new tweet this literally has to be one or the other it's simple basketball he's talking about uh the fouls that could have taken place uh new tweet i need an explanation on the inbounds timeout.
Absolutely need it.

New tweet, this is depression.

Can someone recommend a very good feel-good movie,

like the best feel-good movie of all time?

New tweet, stop saying Marley and me.

And then the final act, new tweet, Sixers will win this series.

That's acceptance.

That's accepting the loss but moving forward

and choosing to try to better yourself in life. So it was healthy to watch somebody speed run the stages of grief yes and i don't actually when i i printed out that screenshot here um but i cut out who that was so i don't know who was making all those posts but they sound like they're a real loser yeah so uh it was a hell of a game shout out the knicks so the kn is, you know, Tom Thibodeau, that culture, never giving up, just playing hard all the time, offensive rebounding, you know, in the inbound play, getting all over Maxie, not having a foul, not letting Nick Nurse call a timeout, which he might have, he might not have.
It was an all-time war. He did do the hezi.
Yeah, he did the hezi. And then I think he also tried to call a timeout after Maxie had thrown the ball away, being like, but just kidding, I want this.
It was an all-time. No, both of those are actually correct.
Both of those are correct. As an unbiased watcher of this.
No, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
No, I, I, I. As an unbiased observer of what happened at the end of the game, I've seen all the screenshots.
I've seen every single angle of this. I've watched from probably like 10 or 12 different angles and synced them all up.
What happened was Nick Nurse thought about calling a timeout as they were inbounding the ball, as the ball was being thrown in. He can say...
Wait, wait, I... Hold on, Max.
I'll let you... I'll call on you when PFT's done with his point.
Let's have some decorum in the courthouse, please. Nick Nurse considered calling a timeout.
He even made the motion. His body wanted to call a timeout, but his brain stopped his body at the last second.
To call the timeout, your hand touches your other hand like that. Wait, show me.
According to what? That's a timeout. According to what? I.
I talk. Show me a timeout.
Now show me what Nick Nurse did. Nick went like this.
That's not a timeout. And even one of his hands was curved.
That's not a timeout. Never the two shall meet.
It did not ever touch. Tuck rule of the timeout.
Exactly. And so that was not a timeout.
And then when he did call the timeout with authority, the ball was already out of Max's hand. Okay, Max.
Counterpoint? I want to? I want to think about it. And there was a push-off too on Max.
People keep going like this that he tried to take the timeout away. At what point logically in that play would a coach be like, oh, just kidding, I'm comfortable with where we are at right now.
I don't want the timeout. I'll answer that.
He never caught the ball. I'll answer that.
I'll answer that. He was about to call a timeout when they couldn't inbound the ball, and then he pulled it away when they inbounded the ball.
Correct. They didn't cleanly inbound the ball.
Yes, but it looked like they were. Yeah, he threw the ball.
No, it didn't. It never looked like there was going to be a clean inbound there.
It's very clear that he was about to call a timeout, then they caught the ball in. No, he reacted to the play that was going on at hand.
way and that's wrong there's just if we're talking screenshots he clearly called the time a timeout when maxie had the ball okay either way up right now i it was an all-time night uh we talk about it all the time where if you are a diehard sports fan you know that at some point your name and number will be called it's like the it's like a military draft you will be called in the screenshot war and it was philly and new york just going back and forth in a screenshot war zapruder film type shit breaking it down you know frame by frame i love watching all of it i love watching all of it max can I ask you a question that has nothing to do with the timeout? Do you think Joel Embiid should have boxed out? Yeah, you also didn't get to my last tweet where it said, I'm done complaining about the refs. Obviously, we're going to get fucked at the Garden.
Wait, those are your tweets? You guys are showing all that. But wait, that can't be your tweet because you said, or the person that tweet said they were done complaining about the refs and then you just complained i was disputing what you were saying was incorrect okay and i was letting you know that you are incorrect but you're done complaining about the refs yeah well someone has the the refs weren't why they lost that game the ref there were six 50 50 plays that could have gone the knicks or the sixers way way at the end of that game.
The Knicks got all six of them. That's just a fact.
They just try harder. Regardless, yes, they try harder.
They won the game. They deserve to win that game.
But you are... Did Joel Embiid have one rebound in the second half? Joel Embiid scored 36 points on one leg.
Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey have nothing to do with that loss. They're the only ones who showed up.
Although he should have boxed out. How about Nico Batum and Tobias Harris in the last two minutes of that game where they may have well been sitting on the fucking bench.
Nico Batum was sitting there and watching the last minute and a half doing nothing. Yes, Embiid should have boxed out, but Embiid was giving everything he had on the 50% leg, and no one else was doing anything to help him.
I think he's about to cry. Yeah.
Isaiah Hartenstein. Who hit the big shots for the Knicks at the end? Oh.
Oh, I know that. I don't give a fuck.
So from what I saw, Hank From what I saw from the transcripts I just want Hank to fucking experience one of these fuckers That little pussy over there He won't talk, though, Max You know that, he won't talk if he does Hank, you remember that guy, Dante DiVincenzo? Oh, yeah UConn? No, no, he won a natty You remember that one year where he got just sick? Oh, yeah. We were at the game at Nova.
Did you guys see Villanova's tweet shouting out their guys? No. What did it say? Villanova MBB.
Our guys Jalen Brunson and DiVincenzo with two huge threes to seal the win and all of their stat lines and the Philly fans did not like that. And Josh Hart was incredible again.
He also went to Villanova. Max, do you think you shouldn't have sent the flu game tweet before the game was over? Yeah.
Wait, oh, me personally? Yeah. Oh, no.
What? No, the Sixers. Oh, the Sixers? Sure, yeah.
They should have waited. Yeah.
Also, PFT, I would like you to look at this. Okay, we're looking at this.
But you're not complaining about Rousey. No, no, but I just want to make sure that we're not spreading misinformation on this podcast.
Okay, okay. I'm going to lower the shades because I can't really see it.
All right, go ahead, play it. Because right...
No, no, no, that's it. Oh, that's it.
It's just that. It's just a screenshot.
I mean... You're in the screenshot.
Now, Max... What we are looking at is Tyrese Maxey holding the basketball and Nick Nurse behind him calling a timeout.
Press play real quick. That could be the parallax effect.
Oh, that's it. Okay, press play though.
I have to get. That was a screenshot.
He's been in the screenshot once. Because it could be a situation where Maxie is losing the ball right at that very moment.
Okay, here's Maxie. Has the ball.
Kind of. Kind of losing the ball.
It's on the ground. Yeah, kind of losing the ball, Max No, it's not in his fucking hand No, Max See, this is why screenshots Right there You gotta see the clip The full clip Okay How is it? He has it in It's in his left hand Okay, so they are filing a grievance With the NBA Which has What happens when he filed a grievance? Adam Silver just Does he open up the envelope? Knicks did it in February.
I don't think it led to anything. Yeah.
I think that Adam Silver is just like, okay, they filed a grievance. No, that's stupid.
Yeah, doing that is stupid. And I do agree, like, the Knicks wanted to win that game at the end of the game more than the Sixers did.
Both of those things can be true. Not a box out.
Both of those things can be true. I need you guys to admit that both of those things can be true.
Yes, both those things can be true. Joel Embiid did actually, I should say, he did box out.
He just boxed out the wrong guy. Yeah, I mean, I had three guys boxing out.
Three guys doing nothing. Yeah, doing nothing.
It just feels like the Knicks, I mean, the role players for the Knicks are stepping up and no one from the Sixers. What do you say? Yeah, role players play better at home.
But you're going to have to win a game on the road to win this series. Correct.
I might game of the year on the Sixers at home. Max already did that.
Oh, you did? Yeah. I won that.
No, I thought you did it for Series of the Year. Oh, no, I'm doing just this game.
And I actually do think the Sixers have a good chance to come back and win this.

It's going to be tough.

I think I agreed with every single thing that Kirk Goldsberry said.

We'll get to it later.

You're going to have to win on the road.

But I love the Sixers in Game 3.

Love them.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, they were right there.

They were right there.

The Knicks are just a tough fucking team. And Jalen Brunson has not played great.
And Tyrese Maxey is incredible. He was so good last night.
So are these all must-wins from here on out? He got blocked at the end. I think that was the greatest flu game that ended in a loss.
Yeah, Hartenstein was, I mean, he's... I mean, how about the three from the logo? I mean, that was.
Hartenstein just decided for like the last hour of the game was just like,

I'm going to just get everything and just out hustle everyone.

No, yeah, that's a guy that's just like a pure heart guy that wanted it more

than anyone else on the court last night.

He's like the reason why the Knicks won because he wanted to win that game.

Yeah.

No one else wanted to win as bad as he wanted to win.

You see a very funny clip on Jalen Brunson's podcast. I'm sure you listen to max because it's i think jalen brunson and josh hart host it both went to nova cool uh isaiah hartenside reminding josh hart of the moment that josh hart uh found out that he was he's black his dad is is uh black and white and so he's like yeah i'm actually black and josh hart was like yeah i do remember that i was like he's like you changed everything yeah i did but yeah he's a dog like he's a fucking dog he just that those type of moments the mecca was on fire like that is the coolest place in a playoff atmosphere and the knicks i mean the knicks deserve it like they're they're a long-suffering fan base i don't think of this say like it this the series is going it's going to look a lot different in Philly like they feed off the energy of that crowd and that's like very obvious yeah yeah so again again to clarify this is game three is must win yes no matter what happens game three game four also must win game three is a must yeah has to be a must if it's 2-1 going into game four is that a must win yeah yeah yeah yeah they're all must wins game five although it is if it weren't the sixers if it weren't the sixers like i could see the knicks blowing a 3-1 3-1 lead but the sixers make it you know do you know do you understand what i'm saying here like the knicks feel like a team that that would get really and blow a 3-1 team, but the Sixers are the antithesis of the team that would come back from a 3-1.
I got it. Max was in hell last night.
You're thinking about not making Game 5 a must-win is what I'm hearing. No.
Yeah. They're both must-wins.
Max was in hell. You know who agreed with you, Max, on the end-of-the-play review system, all that stuff, was LeBron James in his post-game comments after his game.
Well, yeah. He was like, yeah, the Sixers got fucked too.
I mean, Max, he also got fouled four times. Max, he also had quite a shove.
Also, lost in all this, Kyle Lowry's flop was so good. So good.
when he dropped to his knees, and then he fully extended his body and just dove to the baseline. They didn't call it, but I think everyone should go back and watch that clip because it is the absolute best flop that I've seen from him.
Yeah. Max, you're only mad at Hank, I think, right now.
What did I do? I'm so happy I can't see your fucking your fucking face from in here yeah Max and I were actually commiserating on a side text last night because I bet the Sixers money line as well and I also I don't want to relitigate anything because I didn't text anything I thought about it I've I've I've copped to being a bitch for the Wisconsin JMU game but Max did go through something very similar where a person he has met twice in his life texted him talking shit and it it's the worst piss me off like friends fine but just randoms bad uh hank you you are well you know let's go to hockey real well to hank's defense here hank wouldn't act like if this if it wasn't good for the pod he's doing this because that's the pod. Yeah, that's true.
Not because he's a company man.

Not because he's a smug asshole.

Are you worried, though, that you've...

So you're basically beating up the long-time little brother to you in Philadelphia

while the Knicks are kind of rising.

Are you a little...

No.

Because, like, New York fans are fucking crazy.

I don't know.

Who cares?

Okay.

We've played the Knicks in the playoffs. Okay.
Celtics would win that in four yeah oh all right so the bruins dominating the maple leaves historically shout out mr pair didn't play swayman underdog that was my key to the game and he didn't play dude how about mr pair going two and oh he picked double philadelphia teams and he somehow survived two and oh it's's crazy. Like the Bruins own the Maple

Leafs and the Maple Leafs won that game.

Kind of stole that game. They did steal the game.

I don't know how

the Maple Leafs, again,

hockey guy, but

they should be. They're stacked.

Yeah, they always are.

Austin Matthews, Tavares,

like they have everyone. Max Domi.

Max Domi. Who's the other skinny kid? Their goalie kind of stinks.
That's the thing. If they can get a good game, I've watched Samsonov a lot over his career.
He will show up once every week and be like, holy shit, this is the best goalie in the NHL. And then the other games he's just letting everything through.
Marner, that's what I'm thinking of. Yeah, I mean, they stole the game.

Bruins had a power play at the end of the game.

I think they got one shot maybe.

That was probably where it went south.

So what's your panic level?

They got to get Swayman back in that.

That was key to the series, and then game two he just didn't play.

Yeah, people were like, oh, Hank's key to the series isn't playing tonight.

And look what happened.

Look what happened, yeah. and sticking in hockey memes hello the fact that the the sixers because i memes is a knicks fan but he's way more of an islanders fans than the knicks fan the fact that the sixers happened the booth boys were down tremendous actually we should have mentioned jake jake had a great night becausereen double bang.
How about all those people saying, oh, let's cut the mics. No, no, no, no.
Now you're going to talk about this? Like, pick one side. Pick one side.
The double bang was good. But it's because it's so rare that it happened.
Six times he's got a double bang, and this was certainly worthy of a double bang. So I liked it a lot.
I appreciated Mike Breen in that moment. I'm just saying that it's the exception that proves the rule.
Yeah. Just pick a side.
Okay. Embrace them or hate them.
I also think it wasn't a national one, though. No, I won't pick a side because some announcers I like, and then when they say stupid shit, I'm going to make fun of them.
It's pretty simple. You do that for me.
Yeah, it's pretty simple. Yeah.
It's pretty simple. When Reggie Miller says something dumb, I'm going to make fun of him.
When Mike Breen does double bang, I'm going to be like, that was awesome. Yeah.
But it would suck if he did double bang all the time. Correct.
It would lose its magic. It would rule if Reggie Miller just – we'll talk about the Lakers and Nugs, but when we get down late in games and Reggie Miller just starts brainstorming out loud, there's just nothing better.
You're like, he's going to just – he's he's gonna say some shit i think what happens is he gets high on basketball yeah there's a good basketball game going on he's just so excited by it it amps him up and it he's just thinking about too much basketball in his head there's no room for intelligence he becomes like a five-year-old where you're like you know what sounded out yeah and he just sounds out all his thoughts and you're just like no not that one like trent Dilffer yeah can't lose football games and still win yeah exactly so uh memes so the booth boys the sixers have that horrific loss and then at basically the same time the new york islanders who are up three nothing in this game they are then up three two the carricanes pull their goalie. The Carolina Hurricanes tie the game with about 2-15 left.
They win the faceoff, and they score maybe eight seconds later, and that's it. Yeah, nine seconds.
Oh, man. So I was watching this game.
I was like, there's no way. That's got to be the worst loss any fan could go through.
And then 30 seconds later, that happened. Oh, no.
So you had a moment of sympathy for Max, and then it just smacked you right in the face. Yeah.
The end of the Knicks game was kind of almost like Reggie Miller. Yeah.
They'd just get it, shoot it. It was like, holy shit, I can't believe this is happening.
And then the Hurricanes immediately tipped one in. And then nine seconds later, they scored again.
And I was just laying on my beanbag chair in my apartment, just speechless. And then they scored again.
So it was three goals in 90 seconds. And then it was just silence.
Yeah. Yeah.
How do you think most people who are fans of the Knicks and the Islanders woke up this morning? Was it the Alonzo morning gif where it was, like, really sad but okay? It was the bus. Yeah.
The bright side, Knicks 2-0, dark side, Islanders 0-2. Yeah.
Yeah. But for you, you woke up more negatively than positively.
I understand that about you. And if you the um if you look at the part of my take twitter account you can see very clearly the bias show through where something bad happens to the islanders everything's in lowercase letters yeah and usually just a sentence stating fact when something bad happens to the rangers it's always like uppercase letters holy shit this, this is awesome.
Yeah. I like that, though.

I like that.

You know a memes tweet.

You think eight points in 23 seconds or two goals?

Eight points in 27 seconds or two goals in nine?

What's worse?

I think two goals in nine.

Yeah, it's pretty bad.

Memes and I were both texting.

Even though he's a Knicks fan, we were just like, sports suck.

It was a good one.

We were in lockstep.

Yeah, Max was like, I hope you sweep him.

I was like, I don't care.

Man.

I bet most of them are. It was a good – we were in lockstep.
Yeah, Max was like, I hope you sweep them. I was like, I don't care.
Man. I bet most of the people that are Sixers fans didn't even watch the first half of the Lakers-Nuggets game, even if they're a diehard NBA fan because they were too busy with the screenshots.
Yeah, you had to get on – you had to get in the front lines. Yeah, your second screen was completely devoted to grainy screenshots.
Yeah, your number was called. Okay, so the Lakers Nuggets.
I mean, it was an incredible night of sports. Lakers Nuggets.
We said it on Monday's show. Every single game goes the same.
Anthony Davis and LeBron James play out of their mind. The Lakers get a lead.
Jokic somehow has like a quiet to the national media, triple double everyone in the national media says watch out for the Lakers they're so dangerous Jason McIntyre, Nick Wright come out of the woodwork being like this is the team, this is the team Nuggets win. LeBron has some career defining highlight plays LeBron was incredible.
Block dunk on Jamal Murray was awesome, it was incredible the fast break dunk that Lebron had at the end of the game also amazing he was playing out of his mind he's hitting big shots down the stretch and then he misses one and that gives the uh the nuggets the opportunity to go down win he lebron was so so good that block dunk he it reminded me of the splitter block dunk in the nba finals which was 10 years ago and he's doing that. And then also the steal of Jamal Murray and then dunking on Jamal Murray.
Like, LeBron emptied the clip. He was so good.
Anthony Davis emptied the clip. And it's just right back to Nuggets win.
It's like, I don't know. I don't know.
I know that the Sixers had probably a more. Actually, I don't know.
I think the Lakers might have a more demoralized I think that series is definitely over well no well what's going to happen is the Lakers might the Lakers are going to play great in some more games that they're also going to lose right that's what's going to happen and it must be it must be so frustrating if you're on that team or if you're Lakers fan and every single time they go out there they play their balls off they play incredibly and then something happens and the nuggets end up winning and they're i mean they're coming off what 10 games in a row that they've lost to the nuggets in the playoffs or is it just uh overall it's 10 games overall it's actually overall and it's lebron's ninth in a row yeah fun fact uh so ever since lebron picked yokich last in last in the All-Star game, the Lakers are 0-10 against the Nuggets. Interesting.
Interesting. Another interesting stat, Jokic had another 20-20-10 game.
Yeah. There have been eight players, eight times that that's happened in playoff history.
Jokic has four of those already. It's crazy.
He's insane. Jamal Murray stunk, but then he was good.
Michael Porter Jr. was awesome last night, too.
Well, that was the craziest play. Jamal Murray, he was so bad for, I don't know, 46 minutes.
Then he ended up scoring the last six points, which is also a credit to keep going to this guy. But the play that got him to that point was michael porter jr's three which was off of yokich doing the move where he was trying to get a foul when he wasn't really ready set to shoot it was a it was a heave it was a three-point shot it wasn't like from the logo or from you know three quarters of the court like he does sometimes but it was an off balance very awkward attempt at a three it got uh i don't know if it got deflected or if it was just a bad shot in general.

But he did get fouled on the attempt.

They didn't give it to him.

Austin Reeves gets out-muscled for the ball.

Passed back to – Yeah, Aaron Gordon was – yeah, all hustle.

Wide open three.

Yeah.

It was a crazy game.

And I do – you know, LeBron, it's nuts that he's doing this at age 39 but it's also got to be so demoralizing because they they have emptied the clip like D'Angelo Russell even was was playing well and scored 23 like they have done everything they they are essentially playing a team that they have to play a plus and the other team has to play like a d plus to have a chance of winning because the the Nuggets were playing like a C plus last night and they still won the game yeah I think it was like five minutes of game time maybe six where the Lakers didn't score in the third quarter because they do the thing stop running plays the Lakers were up 20 points and their game plan just became either chuck a three yeah or take a weird off-balance shot that's heavily guarded in the paint seven Seven-foot jumpers, they probably missed like five or six seven-foot jumpers. It was just bad.
The Lakers came out of halftime. I think they ran three or four plays, scored on all of them.
Then they just stopped running plays and stopped scoring. It's crazy.
And like people are saying, you know, Polinka didn't have the roster set because Jokic, anytime Anthony Davis comes out, Jokic just dominates. He dominates anyway.
You know, Ham is not a good coach. The Nuggets are just better than the Lakers, and every game is so funny.
It's like I kept on just betting the Nuggets live all night. I was just like 9 1⁄2, 7 1⁄2, 5 1⁄2, okay.
They're going to be in this game. And the way they lost at the very, very end with Anthony Davis falling into the Nuggets bench after it was all over and having them all celebrate around him like he was on the team.
Brutal. It's going to be tough to come back.
Also, crowd shots, buzzer beater crowd shots. There's something.
It gives me a little tingle in my balls. I was just watching all the crowd shots.
They're so fucking cool. Speaking of crowd shots, there was another video that came out from after the game yes the yokich brothers got active and i think it was strahinja yeah i think that the big guy the big yokich brother with the mohawk that dude threw a punch at a lakers fan or another fan i don't know what he was wearing nomination i'm going to assume that it was a lakers fan yeah guy got punched in the face by what appears to be a 270 pound very very active serbian guy yeah chewed the punch credit to the guy that got punched in the face because i think anybody else would just crumpled into the fourth dimension at that point but that guy he stood up to it people are wondering if the yokich brothers are washed they gotta they gotta knock someone out Yeah.
They got to do some kind of feats of strength. They got to lift up a building or something.
Just do an Instagram video where they lift up a car. Yeah.
Do the Magnus von Magnussen. Get like a big rock that's shaped like the continent of Africa and put it over your head.
I liked one of their girlfriends or wives when the punch happened right before they got into the actual fight. The lady was walking away.
It looked like with a baby, just rolling her eyes, being like, oh no, he's about to fight again. Yeah.
This is bad. Oh, breaking moves.
Breaking moves. Uh-oh.
Kawhi? No, some good news for Max. The last two-minute report came out for the Sixers next.
Okay. Oh, so the grievance worked.
They won the game. The NBA finds that Brunson did pull on Max's jersey.
It should have been called. Max's push-off on Hart was marginal and should not have been called.
And Nick Nurse should have gotten a timeout. And Josh Hart did foul Tyrese Maxie on the inbound.
So does that mean the Sixers won the game? No, but that means I deserve an apology. Nick Nurse did call the timeout.
Do you want it from me, too? I'm looking at Mr. Sunglasses over here.
Oh Mr. Sunglasses.
Well I know what I saw. Well the official league report saw it differently buddy.
I'm looking at it right now. Oh you got buddy.
I'm looking at it right now pal. Okay look at it.
Maxie brings his hand towards heart. Marginal contact.
That's how I know it's bullshit. That was definitely pushed off by Maxie.
They shouldn't have called it. But it was if we're calling fouls.
They agree that they shouldn't have called it. Are you admitting you might be wrong or no? No, I'm admitting that the timeout when Maxie, quote, still had the ball, I dispute the fact that he had possession of the ball when that timeout was called.
Do you want me to read it to you again? Read it to me again. Nick Nurse should have gotten a time dispute the fact that max he had possession so you're filing a grievance yeah you're no i know i'm disputing i'm disputing the grievance you're disputing the the league report i'm disputing the findings of the grievance okay okay it's under protest so to be continued on the apology you're not getting one today pal uh pft i have some good news you about the Lakers.
Okay. So you might, if you're in the media and you're like, I have a show every day, I got to figure out how to talk about the Lakers.
They're down 2-0. They've lost 10 in a row to the Nuggets.
How are we going to possibly talk about how the Lakers are really, really good? We have a solution given to us by your good friend Mike Greenberg okay Mike Greenberg did an entire segment on get up today where he talked about how dangerous are the Lakers to every other team in the playoffs besides the Nuggets besides the Nuggets through the down 0-2-2 he would pick the Lakers against any other team in the west unfortunately they're playing the Nuggets down 0-2 so really the Lakers if they lose this they lose this, let's keep track. It's crazy.
Let's keep track of this because I think Greeny's on to something here. The Lakers should be able to hang a banner for Western Conference finalists.
It's also just so wildly disrespectful to the teams that played so much better than the Lakers all season long. Yeah.
Thunder, the T-Wolves, the Clippers, the Mavs, Suns like I but the Lakers they are the honestly they should have won they actually should they win the title with if you could do the bet like you know title winner with excluding so title winner excluding Nuggets it's the Lakers so in the finals Lakers or Celtics who do Nuggets. No, but you can't do the Nuggets.

Okay, all right.

I actually think—

Wait, are the Celtics wearing Nuggets jerseys?

No, I think that the Lakers will beat the Celtics in the finals.

Yeah.

If they're allowed to play.

Well, they're the most dangerous team.

But there might be some antiquated NBA rules that say if you lose in the first round,

you're not allowed to play in the finals.

Greeny just did an entire segment being like, I didn't, but I would have.

Yeah.

You're lucky that I got held back there and didn't have to play any of the other teams. The crazy thing is he might not be wrong when it comes to talking about matchups.
No, I think he's wrong. I think there's other teams that are better than the Lakers.
Not better, but match up better against the Nuggets. I think they would.
No, no, no. Against the Nuggets, you're saying? Yeah.
I think the Lakers match up against the Nuggets as good, if not better, than any other team in the West. Oh, I don't agree with that because they haven't won a game in 10 games.
I know, but that's what's crazy. Yeah.
No, his argument was the Lakers match up better against everyone else in the West. He would pick the Lakers against everyone else in the West, but unfortunately they're playing the Nuggets.
Okay. So essentially, like, they're so good, this is bullshit, they have to play the Nuggets.
It's like saying the Bills unfortunately have to go through Mahomes. Yeah.
The Bills, the 49ers, and the Ravens are really, really good if they don't have to play Patrick Mahomes. Yeah.
Yeah, that's exactly what it is. All right.
Cavs magic, all I had is that the Magic are still going with their strategy of not scoring the basketball hasn't worked through two games they have shot 34 from the field in two games they've shot 23 from three they have not had a lead for a single second let's see how game three goes maybe they'll try to score the basketball all i have in this game in this series and max this applies to you too the series doesn't actually start until the home team loses a game yeah i mean cleveland's playing great defensively and the magic have paulo and then a bunch of guys who are missing shots that's essentially what's happening uh stars knights was awesome that was a great game i also have made a bet on the knights at 13-1 to win the Stanley Cup based on one period. Okay, so I like the stars.
It might be in my running for a period of the week because as soon as the Knights went up 2-0, I was like, this team's good. So for my period of the week, I actually liked the third period of the Hurricanes-Islanders game.
Yeah, that's in the running. That's more of like a 10 seconds of the week.
Yeah, that's definitely in the running. But it was just one of those nights you sit back and you're like, could you imagine not watching sports? No, they're great.
They're absolutely wonderful. How lucky are we to live in an age where we can watch all these sports? And how lucky are we that Max is with us? So very deeply lucky.
It's a generational run. He can't get anything, anything going.
Can you imagine how bad it would suck to watch sports in the 80s when you had to – you wouldn't even know what happened in most of these games. You'd have to call a phone number in the morning.
Max, you should try just being a loser like us. It's insane how good my teams are at being bad when it matters like it's in your only fault is that you should take a page out of our playbook and just be bad from the start every team is the same the the eagles the phillies and the sixers are all the same team i'm absolutely devastated i keep saying i've never felt this bad and then a new devastating way to lose continues to happen.
I got silenced by Twitter, too. I tried to tweet so many things that they were like, you've already tweeted this before.
You've already tweeted this. Did Twitter ever ask you if you were emotionally okay? No, I wish they did.
I would have said no. I think Elon put a stop to that, but they used to be like, are you sure you want to tweet this? You seem sad.

We also had a great moment when Max tweeted,

our role players will play better at home,

their role players will play worse, and he spelled the role R-O-L-L,

and then Jake tried to lightly tell him that he spelled it wrong,

and Max, in the nicest way,

but I know what he was thinking when he was sitting in his house.

I don't give a fuck, Jake!

Yeah, but I wanted to do it over text and not publicly shame. Yeah, yeah.
Hey, yeah, Max, I noticed that you tweeted the word roll a lot, R-O-L-L. Didn't you mean to put hoagie? Oh.
You get any of that? I'm done with you today. Max, I was with you.
I was in the foxhole with you last night. I was fighting for you.
That was devastating. Okay.
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My hot seat is the Broncos. Oh, I had this as well.
Yeah. They released their new jerseys, and they are ass.
Okay, so. They look like a spring football team.
I actually had a different take on it. Not the jerseys.
The jerseys are ass. I actually think the hot seat is all the 31 teams, PR teams in the league, because the Broncos did a master class on Monday.

If you see it, they released terrible jerseys, which is hard to do.

Most jerseys are like, oh, Fireflame, Fireflame, Fireflame.

I disagree because any new jersey that gets released,

everybody's like, this looks like an XFL team.

Yeah.

Until they get used to it.

And then they kind of gradually warm up to it

because what we like as fans is nostalgia. Yeah.
Right? We want the old- The orange crush. Blue helmet with the D on the side and the horse and all that stuff because we associate that with our childhood.
Yeah. So to us, the old jerseys are always better than the new ones.
And the new ones will always get roasted until they become a little bit less new. Yeah.
So anyway, they released the jerseys. a pr master class and i was thinking about this it was like the jerseys got absolutely roasted they look like people were saying they look like utep uh or utsa sorry uh but they actually are really smart with what they did because they released bad jerseys and then they traded for zach wilson all in the same day and you don't know which one to be mad at they just split the vote like that was so smart of them to do those in basically a matter of hours with each other where they're like which one you want to choose we'll take some heat here we'll take some heat there none of the heat will feel too hot well the good news for broncos fans and for uh one billy football as well is that now that zach wilson gets to play against patrick mahomes twice a year we'll finally get to determine who is better zach wilson or patrick mahomes i actually don't hate it for the broncos like take a shot he's got a big arm the altitude out so the ball like 75 yards yeah he played an altitude college yeah but yeah the broncos i thought it was genius for them to do those two moves at the same time i did like the the retro look that they're bringing back too that is a good look and um it feels like it's been jersey season like redesign season yeah uniform redesigns because we had the jets the jets were asked too right no they were fine they just kind of look a little they're like they didn't really do much closer to looking like the eagles every day yeah they didn't do much in their redesign then the texans dropped their new ones today yeah i like the helmets with the big h the calligraphy h the side of it.
But yeah, just the Lions had some new ones. Oh, I actually like those because they brought back the black uniforms because Dan Campbell won the division.
And the owner said you can wear those. You can have your Metallica jerseys if you win the division, which he did.
I like that. All right.
Cool throne. My cool throne is Paul Pierce.
Yep. Also had this.
The truth. The NBA polled 133 active players.
They asked who the greatest player of all time was. Michael Jordan was first.
LeBron James was second. Kobe was third.
Seth Curry was fourth. And then Paul Pierce was tied with Magic Johnson for fifth.
How many votes? 0.8%. 0.8%? Paul Pierce figured out a way to vote for him.
It's definitely Paul Pierce. Any vote, he's on the list.
He is on the list. According to current NBA players, he's a top five NBA player of all time.
I love the anonymous polls. I saw the other one that was stuck out was that Tom Thibodeau, one coach you'd least want to play for at 46.8%.
Yeah. Josh Hart did have his back.
He's like, everyone's soft now, which I agree with. like Tom Thibodeau, one coach you'd least want to play for at 46.8%.
Josh Hart did have his back. He's like, everyone's soft now, which I agree with.
Tom Thibodeau has made average players great throughout his entire career. I don't know why you'd not want to be an average player and become great with him.
And then the best, though, was they graded the refs. And 3% gave it an A, 27% B, 47.8% C, and then 8.3% F.
And they talked to some of the anonymous players for quotes. And so they talked to the player who voted an F, and he said, shit, they don't know if they want us to play or not play, but they good people.
a perfect quote yeah i like that because that grievance isn't so much with the the referees themselves it's with the system and being told how to officiate different players on different nights sometimes yeah no no consistency but they're good people yeah they they good people they good people they good people we just gotta start using that all the time when we insult someone. They good people.
Bless their heart. Yeah, bless their heart.
All right, PFT, your hot seat, Coltrane? My hot seat is non-compete clauses because they just got ruled to be inadmissible. So you can go ahead and compete now as employers.
And to tie that in with sports, Hank, you just gave me a look. So if you have someone sign a non-compete, that just doesn't matter? Apparently it doesn't matter anymore.
Apparently they threw them all out. So Tom Brady is on deck to now be in business.
Like in regular jobs? Yeah. Who did this? Was it the FTC? Federal Trade Commission? Love it.
Power to the people, I guess. But Tom Brady is now going to be voted on to partially own the Las Vegas Raiders as early as, I think, next week.

They've ruled that the admission has gone far enough where they can actually put pen to paper and determine whether or not he can own the team, which they always approve.

You never hear of any owner getting rejected by the NFL.

So Tom Brady is going to own the Las Vegas Raiders, or at least a big part of it. Or play for the Patriots.
Well, that's what he said. He could do both now because the non-compete.
Nice. He could play for the Patriots and also, well, I guess he technically has owned the Raiders since the tuck rule game.
Yeah. But he could officially own them now.
Yes. So congrats.
Congrats, Hank. That's awesome.
Yeah, then my cool throw is going to be uniform redesigns because everyone's doing uniform redesigns right now. Yeah.
I was just thinking, what team do you think is the most current? Not current. Hasn't changed their uniforms in a very long time.
I mean, the Patriots haven't. The Packers and the Bears.
No, the Patriots did a few years ago. Yeah, they changed their color scheme.
They're fine. It got slightly worse.
Yeah, Packers, Bears. Packers, Bears.
Vikings, I feel like they've been around forever, too.

Yeah, Vikings have been around for a really long time. But a lot of them just cycle through.
Giants, although they changed their helmet. But, yeah, there's a – some of the franchises don't.
Yeah, Raiders. Raiders classic.
Yeah, classic. Okay, my hot seat was all of Hank's hot seat, so I'll go to my cool throne.
My cool throne is the Oklahoma City Thunder because Kevin Durantan is 100 going back to the thunder you think so yes they're doing some trial balloons did you see chet holmgren's new shoe i did not see his new shoe it is it was uh i think it's under the kd line and it was a video narrated by kd talking about chet holmgren and the city of ok City. And Oklahoma City Thunder have, I'm just looking right now,

like they have every single draft they have four or five picks.

If they're one player away, this is the only place that Kevin Durant can go

win a championship and everyone would be like,

your whole career has been perfectly bookended and you're not a bad guy.

KD's probably thought about it for a couple years

and then they they went ahead and had uh such a good record this year yeah it's like you know what this is kind of saying this is kind of my thing it all makes sense it all kind of comes together where it's like kd like they're can you pull up the chet homegrown new shoe ad narrated by kitty because there's also a very funny moment where i think kitty says like can you handle the whole city on your shoulders and they show a picture of oklahoma city and no offense to our listeners

who are from oklahoma city but um don't do a skyline pick if you have two and a half buildings

they have two and a half buildings yeah it literally was like two and a half buildings

but that's just so you can see the sky but it was think you gotta do or maybe do a night skyline Or do like a close up of like the arena So here it is you play the video But I think KD's You think you could do it I'm not just talking ball You think you could put the whole city on your shoulders There it is I know Step up then. I know I can do it.
Go back. I don't know my drive.
To be fair, both KD and Chet have pretty narrow shoulders. Step up then.
Put the whole city on your shoulders. There it is.
Yeah. That's Oklahoma City.
I count two and a half buildings. That is a city that would fit on Chet Holmgren's shoulders.
You gotta do a different angle. I don't know what what the angle is but you can't do this angle maybe maybe bird's eye so you don't see how big the buildings are like this is this is like half of atlantic city i don't know or maybe just worm's eye view yeah real low worm's eye view i like that uh but yeah i think kd is going to go back to the oklahoma city thunder and i'm i'm absolutely for it because I think that would be a very cool – like if he wins a title with the Thunder, kind of everything's forgiven.
I know not everything's forgiven, but it would be like that, oh, my God, we did it in this city. I ended my career here.
Nice. There will be people that say, oh, you went back to them when they finished first in the West.
Oh, duh. Yes, that would be the narrative.
Well, yeah, he would not go back to the thunder if they weren't a good team they were they are a good team and they have so many draft picks it's actually insane they don't have they they have too many draft picks for players that they can yeah they don't have they don't have enough spots right so that's gonna happen get excited for that and then probably a sick we'll probably see the skyline again when he does the i'm coming home video make it make it nighttime show me that black ass guy nighttime and maybe an arena shot and like a fountain shot but don't do this angle i need to make sure to announce you i say black ass guy yeah black ass sky this this depressed me sorry oklahoma city i'm sure it's a nice actually i've been remember we went oh no we went through oklahoma city yeah raven yeah we had a waitress at a chain restaurant we won't name because she offered us mushrooms it sounds about right she was cool i've enjoyed my time in oklahoma city yeah i i spent two nights there and uh i had a perfectly fine time yeah i had but we had a great time in oklahoma city um and also lead the league in wearing the free shirts i also think they might have just got a bid to build the largest uh skyscraper in the country good they did i saw that hank uh the skyscraper it's actually going to make the city look worse because it's so much taller oh no if you that's need like seven sky yeah you can't put like one giant building in Oklahoma City because then everyone's like, what the fuck are those other buildings? Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah.
We'll figure it out. Yeah.
Maybe do the shot from the top of the skyscraper. Or just do the big hole that they're going to have to build, dig for the skyscraper.
Be like, look, we're up and coming. You have to add at least 50 50 to 75 percent on top of all the other buildings if you want to put another giant building yes yes uh okay jake finish us off my hot seats mlb umpires yeah this is becoming a weekly segment on this show because we've talked about angel herandez but the aaron booting situation on monday afternoon was one of the most jaw-dropping like there there's not asided story to this one.
It ruled. He got ejected for something a fan said.
Correct. And the umpire, he literally said, I don't care who said it.
You're gone. I love that.
That's wild. I love it when umpires double down on something that's so insane like that.
The egos on these guys. It's so good.
I love it. How do you not love it, Jake? It was awesome.
For an umpire to be so set in their ways, to be like, yeah, I don't care, you're still gone. It's fucking hilarious.
That's something that a parent would say when they know that they're wrong, but they don't care anyways. Right.
If you're an ump, you can't admit that you were wrong. Then they'll take advantage of you.
People would appreciate you. Would they? Yeah.
Fans would be like, thank for like admitting you're wrong and taking accountability you can't show weakness i don't that's beta i appreciate it more to just be like i was wrong but i'm not gonna say it like pft with max yeah so or like when the nba admits that they're wrong about like a last minute call where somebody should get a timeout nobody respects them more for doing that yeah just a crazy situation for the ejection and the umpire probably won't face any consequences yeah he shouldn't he should be he should get a fucking hero's welcome that it was a hilarious clip are you saying that because if it happened to the cubs it would still be hilarious i mean it's hilarious but it's also it's hilariously bad it's very funny that it's very funny that it happened right now if it happenedoff game or a World Series game, then fans would be irate about it. Yeah, but it happened in a Monday afternoon game in April.
That video was so fucking funny. And it's also like the managers don't even do anything anymore.
The computers tell them what to do. It's true.
The computers tell them what to do. If I was really good at impressions, I would learn how

to do the different managers' voices

and then go to the game, sit behind them in the

dugout, and try to get them kicked out. It ruled.

That fan has a story for life.

Yeah. Alright, your cool throne?

My cool throne's Andy Reid. He got a new contract.

Oh, nice. Deserved.

Well-deserved. Well-deserved.

$12 million a year, I think. Big red.

Good for him. A lot of cheeseburgers.
He's definitely going to do a press conference where he's like, what are you going to buy, Andy? Cheeseburger. He's probably going to buy a McDonald's.
He's 66. How long do you think he's going to stick around? As long as Patrick Mahomes keeps slaying it, why would you ever retire? He's got a pretty good gig right now.
Yeah. Unless Travis Kelsey kills him on the side of the game at some point.
Yeah. Yeah.
Shout out to Andy. Got to get him on the show.
Come on, Chiefs. There's some really nice things about you.
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This is really the Kirk Goldsberry preview. It's the preview, but we watched such incredible games on Monday night.
We wanted to have someone who's smarter than us to talk a little basketball for our listeners. So, Kirk, thank you for joining us.
Let's talk about it. The Nuggets-Lakers series, the greatest most lopsided series of all time, going back to last year and this year.
So, I guess my question to you is, what the hell do the Lakers have to do to beat the Nuggets? I mean, the same thing the rest of the league does. A lot of us think the Nuggets are the best team in the NBA, and we've thought that for a while now.
A lot of people think Nikola Jokic is the best player in the world, something we would describe LeBron James as for a vast majority of the 2010s. But this decade appears to belong to Nikola Jokic and the Nuggets.
And I think it's telling. It's sort of a handing of the torch.
It's a very painful one. But this is LeBron James' longest losing streak against any single opponent in his entire 21-year career, guys.
He's lost nine straight games to Jokic and the Nuggets now. What do they have to do? They have to get more support from their role players.
I think one of the themes of our conversation from these two great series that we watched with Philly, New York, and this Denver Lakers series is the old cliche, the role players play better at home. The Lakers need that to happen in game three if they're going to get back in the series.
Simply put, Anthony Davis has been pretty good. LeBron's been great.
The rest of the team has not been good enough to even come close to really beating the Nuggets in yeah yeah they were they were so close it felt like last night obviously they just lost by by two or what was it one point two two point two point loss two points they were down they were up by 20 they were winning by 20 in the third quarter what percentage of blame would you put on the lakers verse credit to the denver nuggets for winning that game yeah'm going to give credit to my friend, Mike Malone, who you guys have had on this podcast. Michael.
Apparently you're really good friends with him if you call him Mike. Yeah.
Well, I remember you brought up my paper where I was very critical of Jokic's defense. And that's relevant, PFT, because I think one of the things we saw last night was Michael Malone made the adjustment.
The regular season is checkers, playoffs are chess. What happened last night, in my opinion, was our first real chess move of this series.
Anthony Davis was absolutely cooking Nikoli Jokic, guys, in the first half, just cooking him. I think he was eight for eight against him in the first half.
In the third quarter, Michael Malone puts Aaron Gordon on Nikoli Jokic and moves Jokic over. On Anthony Davis, yeah.
Yeah, sorry. Let me start over.
So he puts Aaron Gordon on Anthony Davis and puts Jokic on to Hashimura, and the whole game changed. And the Lakers scored 40 points in the whole second half.
Anthony Davis had a bunch of touches in the first quarter or the second quarter. By the fourth quarter, he had one shot, no points.
Aaron Gordon and Michael Malone deserve credit for that win, in my opinion. That was a gritty adjustment and defensive breakout for Aaron Gordon, who's one of the few athletes in the NBA that can put up a physical sort of defense that can deal with Anthony Davis.
So PFT, my answer to that question goes to Michael Malone, deserves credit with Aaron Gordon. Now, the other part of it is, so Anthony Davis was in foul trouble as well for parts of the second half.
It does feel like the Lakers roster is a big issue, and I don't want to take blame away from players, but every time Anthony Davis comes out of the game, Jokic does literally whatever. He can do whatever he wants most of the time.
He does whatever he wants to the 10th power when Anthony Davis comes out of the game. Is that fair to just be like the Lakers just don't have enough dudes? They just don't have enough bodies to be able to compete with a team like this I mean it's not a sexy talking point big cap but one of the big differences between good NBA teams and great NBA teams is simply depth yeah and and when you talk about dynasties where you have like Sean Livingston or Manu Ginobili coming off the bench for these teams that win multiple championships this Lakers bench is is short.
No offense to my fellow Longhorn, Jackson Hayes, but he just isn't going to be able to defend Nikoli Jokic in a big playoff moment. And I think, like I said earlier, the fatal flaw with this LeBron-era Lakers team is often not LeBron or AD.
It's the supporting cast. And when you look at this losing streak against the Nuggets, D'Angelo Russell hasn't been good enough in a lot of these games.
He was pretty good in game two, especially in the early. But Rui Hachimura, Spencer, Dinwiddie, Vincent, these are the dudes that weren't good enough in Denver.
And if the Lakers want to climb back in this series, it's that thing again. Can the role players get us a game at home uh and they haven't been good enough in Denver so far big cat what's the other chess move that uh now ham can can counter with because it is that that is my favorite part of the NBA playoffs as you see one team will say all right we're going to adjust here and then the next game it's like all right well we're going to counter adjust so what can they do knowing that they might put Aaron Gordon back on Anthony Davis and make his life miserable? Yeah, I think they can use switches maybe.
And, you know, Jokic is the best player in the world, not throwing shade at him. But Anthony Davis showed last night one of the only weaknesses in this dude's whole game is defending athletic players.
And the Lakers have two options. Obviously, they're going to, I think, stick with this Gordon matchup on Anthony Davis.
But can LeBron James attack Nicole Jokic in pick and rolls? Can they get Jokic exposed in the paint and really just start to attack him with their incredible rim-attacking athleticism? Because that's what they had success with in the first half last night was Anthonyony davis in the paint you mentioned the role players stepping up it would be nice to get an austin reeves game that would take a little bit of the pressure off ad and lebron james we haven't had that yet um but it also feels like kirk are you making excuses for lebron he missed that big three down the stretch i want to know what this i want to know what the nuggets being lebron james's kryptonite hat what effect does that have on lebron's legacy because yeah he made two great shots down the stretch he didn't make the third and so we can point out the third and be like ah lebron can't get it done at age 39 lebron gave you exactly what the lakers fans could hope for he i mean i know you're joking but dude lebron was night. And even consider his age, he wasn't the reason.
Again, if there's a legacy flaw here, it's his choice to move to Los Angeles and play these Western Conference teams. Remember, this is a dude who went to the finals eight years in a row, in part because he was playing, no offense to Hank, a relatively easy Eastern Conference playoff bracket each year compared to the West.
So, hey, welcome to the West, LeBron, Denver in the first round, the defending champs, get used to it. I think they just need more depth and better performance.
PFT, their bench scored six points last night. That's not going to get it done against the world champs.
Yeah, I also, and LeBron was incredible, and I'm not, I don't want to be a lebron hater i just maybe it's more just defensive philosophy we would never be for the lakers but i i thought that i thought that last defensive possession like i understand switching everything but like at least make a guy actually set a pick before you switch a lot of times the nba it's like a guy just has to just stand somewhere and you'd be like, all right, switch. Like they're not, there's very little like fighting through screens and like forcing the other team to actually like commit to a pick.
Like it was some, I can't remember who flashed up and then LeBron just passed him off to AD, you know, Jamal Murray to AD. And it's just like, I don't know, maybe I'm just being a hater.
Hey, you want to get super nerdy with me? If we look at the shot quality models for those last two shots, the one that went in Jamal Murray's history making shot, one of the best buzzer beaters I've seen in the playoffs in a long time. You know, the nerds give that about a 33% chance of going in.
I mean, he is, but Anthony Davis is one of the best defenders in the league you could have defending that exact shot so smart yeah and then but lebron shot too was like that was a clean look from downtown just didn't fall yeah and lebron is a much better three-point shooter than we're used to seeing from him you know if we play that out a hundred times i bet that lebron shot goes in and the murray shot doesn't a few of those times and that's what we're talking about, the difference between a 1-1 and a 2-0 series. And also Jamal Murray did, I mean, he was so bad in the first three quarters.
His shots were so off. And then all you got to, you know, just let a guy keep shooting.
And he was incredible in the fourth quarter. Yeah, and I think that's one of the themes with this other series.
Like, if you want bad news from the Lakers' perspective, Jamal Murray, aside from a few of those shots, has been ice cold. He's one of the coldest jump shooters in this whole playoff so far.
And Denver's up 2-0 despite this dude being really cold. Now, obviously, he has the shot of the playoff so far.
But they've done a good job containing Murray, and they're still down 0-2. It stands within reason, Big Cat, that Jamalray's not going to have a couple more stinkers like this in games three and four so they're gonna have to find some offense from somebody else other than lebron and uh and ad in los angeles yeah it's the way that the lakers are losing too you just mentioned like lebron's shot was a much better shot than jamal's at the end and they they just happened to lose another one of these close games I was saying last night that I actually I I kind of respect the Lakers for taking all these really tough losses and games where a lot of the times they play really well and then coming back and playing good enough to win but then also losing again like it's a vicious cycle that they're trapped into but it'd be very easy for a team like that to just kind of give up and to not give the the Nuggets that they could the next game.
But it's the gift that keeps on giving. I mean, they're a great team.
And it goes to show, I mean, one of the big themes for this playoffs, PFT for me, is five of the top six teams, arguably in the NBA, on one side of the bracket. The West is loaded.
And one of the things the Lakers and the Warriors did, they get a lot of attention, but they dug holes earlier in the season. And they get a seven seed and you have to play the defending champs.
If they were on the other side of the bracket, they would have a much easier first round opponent. But that's not the world we're living in.
They dug a hole earlier in the season. Now they have to play a very, very good team in the first round.
The narrative is never going to catch up to that. But they're a good team.
The Lakers are a good team. They're probably, in most years, not a first-round exit, but it sure looks like that's where we're heading unless something changes.
Yeah, I just want to give you something to think on because I would like to discuss this in person. I'd like you to really nerd out on it for me.
It feels like the last 25 years of the NBA, give or take, the West has been dominant over the East in terms of depth, depth in terms of talent there's certainly a couple years where you could make the argument that maybe maybe the east had it for a little bit but the west has just been so much better than the east i'd like to know the reasons why like what if you look at the data what are the driving forces behind the west just consistently beating the shit out of the east in terms of quality teams can you do that that? Yeah, I'll write that up. And when I'm there in a couple of weeks, we'll go through my findings.
Yeah. Probably there's probably the Golden State Warriors.
That. And I would say like Antonio Spurs, I was going to say a seven year stretch where it's Kirk Goldsberry working for the San Antonio Spurs.
Yeah. Yeah.
Really tip the balance of power. That's right.
That's what it is. Okay.
So the other game that we watched in the other series, the Knicks-Sixers, also two very close games that now have the Knicks up 2-0,

and also a game where you can watch it and be like the old dad sitting on the couch

being like, this is why you got to box out,

because the last possession, there was a ton of maybe borderline fouls, whatever, timeouts, all this stuff. But at the end of the day, it felt like it was just a Knicks team, and it's probably because their coach is the way he is, that was just fighting for those loose balls that can win you a game versus lose you a game.
And what is the fix, though, for the Sixers going forward to even this series up? There's some parallels here. I mean, I think like Jamal Murray, Jalen Brunson has been ice cold.
He's one of the coldest shooters in the playoffs. He's even colder than Jamal Murray and the Knicks fans should be excited and the Sixers fans should be a little scared of that because obviously the Knicks have won these two games and Brunson, I'm sorry, should have has had two of his worst games of the entire season.
And you're right about the rebounding. I mean, the Knicks are just dominating the offensive boards.
That last sequence, I thought, epitomized a bunch of the narratives here in this series. The Knicks out-hustling, out-heartening, making the bigger plays, making the bigger shots.
Say what you want about the Sixers.

It just feels like they lose those types of games.

And say what you want about those Knicks teams.

They're tough.

They make those kinds of plays.

And they make the dads on the couches proud because they are the ones on the floor.

They are the ones boxing out.

It's a classic Tibbs team and maybe his best team he's had in a decade.

But the Sixers, like the Los Angeles Lakers, need to get more.

I heard you guys talking about this the other day. Buddy Heald, hello.
Are you there? You're here to shoot shots. You're here to shoot threes.
Tobias Harris, have you seen his paycheck? He needs to be better. Like the Lakers, they need to get more.
Because Embiid and Maxey have done enough. If you look at the plus minus with Embiid on the court, the Philadelphia 76ers are winning this series.
When he goes to the bench, it's a tire fire. The Sixers fall apart, and that's where the Knicks have stolen both of those games.
So they need, like the Lakers, those role players to show up at home to turn the series around. What would you say to the haters, one of which might be sitting behind the glass right now listening to this, that say Jalen Brunson's not playing well because the Sixers defense is doing a good job? Look, Nick Nurse is a big upgrade over Doc Rivers, and I credit the game plan.
I know you guys were joking about some tricks, but Nick Nurse knows how to make life hard on a guard. He won his only NBA championship by really making life hard on Stephen Curry in the 2019 finals.
I think there might be some truth to that, but Nick Nurse has also left Josh Hart wide open. This dude is 8 of 15 on threes, and the average defender difference, PFT, is over nine feet away.
Those are practice shots and NBA players are too good. Josh Hart's threes and the average defender difference pft is over nine feet away those are practice shots and nba players are too good josh hart's threes have sort of been the deodorant to cover up for his teammates stink as a jump shooter jalen brunson's uh and dante divincenzo has also been hot so look he has done a good job on brunson but he has to find find a better way to cool off the other three-point shooters in New York.

I think there is some truth to that.

But ultimately, I would say to the Philly fans, the one behind the glass,

we need to get more from the south end of our rotation if we're going to save this series.

Yeah, I have another assignment for you when you come here in a couple weeks.

Could you track the amount of minutes in a game that Joel Embiid physically looks tired? He doesn't even jog up the court in playoff games sometimes. Yeah.
He looks tired. He perspires at a high rate.
He lumbers. Any old guy who plays pickup knows exactly what that feels like.
I saw a couple of men where he he's not even running up the floor he's playing on one leg he's playing on one leg i just would like to see the amount of time like you it wouldn't shock me if you're like all right i've tracked the data 60 of the time and beat is trying to let us know that he's tired well one of the things we do track is who's the last guy across half court in the player tracking area. I think that would expose that he is not, in fact, running up and down.
And to Max's point, he's got a giant knee brace on. He's a massive human being recovering from a knee injury.
Cut him some slack. But, dude, the playoffs are unforgiving, Max.
We need Joel Embiid to play like an MVP if we're going to beat the two seed in the first round so so do you can you uh track that data like retroactively can you go back and and find out guys or is that something that's just all new age because i would love to see late patrick ewing because there were times when he would like it would be like eight seconds left in the shot clock and then you'd see him coming into the frame and be like whoa there i'm talking like magic patrick ewing no we can only go back to 2013 okay i don't even think patrick was playing for the magic no maybe some late era shack yeah definitely late era shack we can get i'm trying to think of who would be the all 10th man across half court george mirosan was pretty slow yeah big george it only took him like three steps to get there but he was just he had the two big knee braces on he looked like mega man yeah another superstar who's 10th man across a lot of the time is luka donchich but yeah not because he just enjoys he enjoys uh some some some some drinking sometimes too but it's mostly because he's yelling at scott foster yeah and the referees and he has to settle some scores before he plays defense. Yeah.
All right. Looking ahead in this series, which team would give the Celtics a better matchup? Dude, if they're healthy, it's the Sixers.
I mean, they were 31-8, dude, when Embiid played this year. They were on pace to win about 65 games.
The statistical markers with Embiid on the court, Scream, we're a contender. Now, you have to look at the playoff version of this team.
And so I am not mad at the Knicks. And if they win this series in five or six games, I'm happy to change my answer.
But coming into this series, PFT, the clear answer was the Sixers, if Embiid was healthy. And I think that's a good answer, but Nick's are about to run him out of the gym unless Philly changes something.
Okay, so similar. Last question for me, and again, we're going to do an extended NBA playoff talk when you get here, but biggest threat to the Celtics in the East, maybe it is just the Sixers, but I don't know if maybe there was another team in a different series.
And biggest threat to the Nuggets in the West? The biggest threat is the winner of this series. It's not a cop-out.
I have a lot to learn. There's two seven series, the rivals, the East Coast rivals.
The Knicks could play themselves. Man, when the Knicks look good, they look good.
So I think the winner of this series, and that might be the Knicks, obviously, I just don't see Giannis

coming back into shape. If Giannis comes back at 100%, maybe you could argue it's the Bucs.
But I have to see that first. In the West, I think the number one threat to the Denver Nuggets is the injury bug.
I think they're that good. Yeah, I really do.
I think Jokic is just, they deserve that kind of dodgy, cute answer, Big Cat.

If I have to answer, I'll give the Thunder the answer right now because they have home court. But, dude, if they're whole, I just don't see anybody taking out Jokic in seven games, beating them four times in seven games.
It just looks like they're the best team in the league right now. Yeah.
All right, so I'm going to give you a chance to look stupid when we talk to you in a couple weeks here what percentage do the Sixers have to win this series 32 percent chance and if they win game three that goes up to 40 but if they lose it as you know it goes to zero so I think this is what you guys might call a must win game game three for the Philadelphia 76ers. Because a stat that we like to say is that no team has ever come back from 03.
And I don't think that's going to be a Sixers team to be the first to do that. It is a must-win, officially a must-win.
Yeah, this is a must-win. Play it back to me when I'm there in two weeks.
And following up on that, what percentage pivotal is game five? Is it game five is it 100 pivotal 100 pivotal without a doubt i mean the the analytics leave little doubt pft especially if it's 3-1 and the team up 3-1 wins game five that's very pivotal yep uh pivotable pivotal for the for that series okay all right good to know okay well kirk as always. We'll see you in a couple weeks, and we appreciate you giving us some insight because you're smarter than us about basketball.
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Okay. We now welcome on our good friend, recurring guest.
It is an annual tradition. It is Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network.
You can see him on draft night. Also the Move the Sticks podcast, Chargers Radio.
Actually, let me start there real quick before we get to draft. How pumped are you to be able to call some Jim Harbaugh coach games coming up? Because I think he's one of the best coaches.
I don't know if you've been able to sit down with him. How excited are you for that part of your job? Dude, I'm super excited.
I mean, he's won everywhere he's been, and he kind of brings an identity with him. And on top of that, I'm just looking forward to my own Jim Harbaugh stories because everybody has theirs.
I met him for the first time. I popped up there to Joe Ortiz, his press conference when he was announced as a GM

because I'd known Joe forever.

So I get there kind of late, and Harbaugh is going to be walking in

with a couple other guys I know from the organization.

And they're like, hey, Jim, I don't know if you know, this is Daniel Jeremiah,

NFL Network, but he calls our games for the radio.

And he kind of pauses and looks at me and goes, I think've heard of you fist bump and gone and then gone so i'm looking forward to my collection of harbaugh stories to add to the archives yeah he's an honest guy that's what i love about him you'll never get bullshit out of him yes yes 100 yeah all right i'm looking forward to it man it's gonna be fun like, I was driving up to the network, and there's, like, billboards. Like, the Chargers had billboards, like Jim Harbaugh's face on it.
I was trying to think of how many coaches can you sell? Like, this is the draw. It's the coach.
Like, that's pretty nuts. It's absolutely true.
All right. So, it is draft time.
You are deep into the draft. Like I said, you canfl network on thursday night uh for the draft so uh let's start here with the draft what as of this week have you heard anything uh in terms of teams moving up who you would see as a potential like watch out for these guys they love this position they love this player what's the latest the latest is like i i don't know how much movement we're going to see.
Like as of last night and talking to a couple of different GMs, the expectation was sticking and picking one, two, three. So sticking and that, and that ends up being, you know, Jaden going to Drake going three.
And then you have at four, it sounded like the Cardinals. We're going to, we're going to stay there and take Marvin Harrison.
And then, you know, I know thegers would like to get out of five, but the sense that I get, at least as of last night, was that Minnesota would come up for Drake May, but they weren't going to come up for anybody else. That's what it was last night.
So now you're thinking Minnesota could just sit there at 11, and I don't know who else. I don't think the Giants are taking J..J.
McCarthy so now I think Minnesota might just kind of roll the dice a little bit hang at 11 and see if he's there when they pick how much panic happens on draft night inside the draft rooms I know that every team's got their board they say that they're confident in it and every year after the draft every team acts like you know we had a plan we stuck with the plan but in reality how often does a team just break out in a cold sweat they're afraid they're going to miss out on their guy whether it's a quarterback or a high level uh prospect somewhere else and they just throw all their prep out the window and move up and do something reckless well i usually it's like they have their group of guys so say if you're picking 15 and you're like well surely one of these four players is going to be there. We love these four guys.
One of the four is going to get there. Then all of a sudden you get to like pick 11 and three of the four gone.
And then it's like, Oh crap. Like we got it.
We, you know, all of a sudden we weren't planning on being aggressive. We were planning on sitting here, but now we literally only have one more of our cluster of guys that we really like.
So then that's when you see teams do stuff that as of like 24 hours ago, they had no intentions of doing. Yeah.
All right. So wait, I want to go back real quick to what you just said about the moving around and maybe everyone's staying put, which will be very funny because we had a lot of talk.
It always happens, but you know, Oh, the Patriots want to move out. The Cardinals are definitely going to move out.
The charges want to move out. All these teams move around.
So could J.J. McCarthy fall if everyone sticks to their pick and essentially the Vikings are saying we'll wait this out and just take him to 11 would that be where it goes yeah I don't think he gets I mean that little quarterback alley like 11 12 13 I don't think he would go beyond that I don't think it'll be like a 11 situation where he dropped you know all the way to the second round but I was sniffing around this morning because morning because there's so much stuff flying around.
And one of the teams had told me, hey, I wouldn't be surprised if when it was all said and done, if Penix went over McCarthy. Like if the Minnesota Vikings just held their ground and said, we're comfortable with either one of these guys.
And they're like, I wouldn't even rule out the fact that they might take Penix over McCarthy. I don't think that's going to happen i still think you know that would be the mccarthy spot but if he gets by the giants then i don't you know i know denver you know the zach wilson thing i don't think that changes much there but everything i got from them was they were more likely to move back than to than to trade up so yeah yeah maybe we don't get as much movement as we as we thought there's always teams willing to trade down but if you can't come up, I mean, you got to stick and pick.
Yeah. Yeah.
What's interesting to me about this draft is there's not a lot of buzz around the defense side of the ball. There are a few talented players that are there in that top 10 conversation.
Dallas Turner's one. I know that the Falcons are interested in, but if there's a, if there's a comparison, you can make Dallas Turner this year, how does he stack up against some of the other edge rushers that we've seen get drafted in the top five over the last 10 years? Yeah, he's not in that group.
I mean, just go with his teammate, like him and Will Anderson. I think Will Anderson was on another level as a player.
I think I ended up with Dallas as like 13 on my list overall. So, I mean, he's a good player.
He's got some intriguing tools to work with,

but he's not a dominant edge player.

I don't think we have one of those.

That's why like you could scrimmage it out

and you can come away with scenarios

where we could have like all offense in the top 10.

Like that wouldn't, you know,

wouldn't totally shock me.

Because like some of the points that I'm curious about

that I'm most fascinated about,

like I was told that Atlanta at eight was going to be,

you know, that would be the edge rusher spot.

and it would be Dallas Turner versus Latu who, you know, it's like the, he's the most natural edge rusher. But then I'm looking at it.
I'm looking at the connections and I'm like, okay, well, the defensive coordinator of the Atlanta Falcons was his head coach at Washington who, and Jimmy Lake, who they literally retired him. Like he went and saw five doctors and they medically said you can't play.
He goes to UCLA and takes off. So I'm going, well, I know he must like the kid because he recruited him and he coached him, but then he's also keenly aware of some of the risks medically there.
So like those are the puzzle pieces trying to put together. And then like with nine, you know, I've been thinking,'s telling me, edge rusher, edge rusher with the Bears at nine.
And I'm going, man, when you take the quarterback number one, every decision is about making sure that pick looks right. I'd rather have one too many studs on offense and worry about fixing maybe some of the other holes on defense.
But their defense was good after the sweat trade last year.

I mean, what would you rather do?

To me, I'd rather just – I'm going to go get a tackle or I'm going to go get Roma Dunze.

Yeah, I think for the Bears at nine, it's very simple.

It's like if you have one of the three receivers, you can take them.

If you have one of the two or three tackles,

which one of those will be available, you take him.

And then if someone offers you a crazy deal, because the Bears, like,

they have one and nine.

They only have four picks in the whole draft.

So if someone offers you something crazy to then get him maybe a second this

year and a second next year, you listen.

But I agree.

Like, this is all about Caleb Williams now.

Just set him up.

More offensive line, better.

More wide receivers, better.

Worry about the defense later in the draft and maybe next year.

Yeah, I mean, that's what I think. And then on, like, the Washington side of things, I've been beating the drum of, okay, if you're going to take Jaden at two, like, are you really comfortable with your tackle situation that you're going to wait it out until 36 and 40 for a tackle? They're like, they almost feel like they have to come back in to the first round and get one of those tackles.
I think we just found the trade. Give us 36 and 40.
You can get nine. Get up to nine.
Deal? Yeah, I'd be curious to see what those numbers look like. I haven't looked at the trade chart, but I would think that's if I'm the Bears, I think I would.
I think I'd do that. Maybe a third rounder next year? How about this? We'll do that, but then you have to give us the Montez sweat pick.
No, no. No deal? No, that is the pick, right? That is the pick.
It is? Yeah, that's the pick. That's why it would be that.
I don't like that. The boomerang.
Yeah. The boomerang back.
That just feels insulting to me to stack L on top of L, but I'll consider it. If I start to panic during draft night, I might give you a call.
Okay, so I uh, Daniel about this because I wanted you to, I didn't want to put you on the spot. I always like to contextualize the entirety of the draft.
So I asked you, uh, for people like, I asked you the question, if you ranked each position, how deep does it go in terms of second contract starter guys? So like, and you, you don't have to do like each, uh, offensive lin lineman. It could be offensive lineman in general, but I'm always just wondering in terms of the depth of the draft, especially when people are watching the draft on day two, day three, where they're like, okay, we know we can get, we don't know all these names, but you know where the deep positions are in this year's draft.
Yeah. So I was very strict with how I did this homework assignment first of all like look at the professionalism on the uh i mean this is really i mean this is on the detroit foundation hotel official stationary uh here but i was strict with it so you can you can extrapolate this beyond this but like a comp like my confidence levels high so it'll tell you this will give you a feel of the strength of the positions.
Yeah. So like wide receivers, 10 to 12 of them.
Wow. Like there's 10 to 12 that I feel pretty confident.
They're second contract, same team, commit to them type players. That was the deepest.
Next up would have been offensive tackles at 8 to 10, which is actually a really big number for offensive tackles compared to most years. So that would be number two, number three, you kick over to the defensive side of the ball will be corners and that you're talking like seven to eight, you know, of those corners.
So those are the three deepest position that, you know, running backs for obvious reasons, I would like zero to two, you know, like there's not going to be, it's not a great running back class. This has nothing to do with the devaluing of the position and all that.
It's just not a great running back class. It is not a good tight end class.
I put one to two on there. Interior offensive line is pretty solid, like five to six.
So that would be – you know, when you combine the interior offensive line and the tackle group, it's a really, really good offensive line draft. Okay.
And then – so you go to – and like safety is not great four to five. Defensive tackles, edge rushers, those are both four to five, four to six.
So linebackers, not good, three to four. So it's literally receivers, tackles, corners.
That's the strength of the draft. I love it, though, because that's the kind of stuff that I love knowing going in.
Like, all right, if there's 10 to 12 receivers that you confidently feel like obviously draft is hard to predict, but these, we're talking about guys that are going to get their second contract that you, cause that's really the goal here. When you draft the player, it's really, you're drafting them to try to get to a second contract.
Cause that means they were good enough to be on your team for five to seven, eight years. Uh, so if you're a team looking for a receiver, you don't have to panic.
You You know that in the second round, there's going to be a lot of guys out there that you can pick up that could be part of your team for the next five, seven years. Yeah.
And that's, and that's one of the reasons too, like when you just boil it down to individual decisions and the bears don't trade out at nine and they're sitting there and you've got the tackle versus the receiver. Even though I've said it's a deep top group, the tackles are going to be gone.
Those 8-10 guys are going to fly. So the receiver, you still get a chance to get a really good receiver with your next – they don't have a two, but you get the gist of it.
The depth is going to run a little bit longer at the receiver position than any of these other spots. Yeah, one of my favorite stories in each draft is's always seems to be like one or two really good offensive tackles, maybe a left tackle in college, maybe a right tackle in college, but there's a team that loves their talent, but they just don't have a need at that side of the line.
So they draft a guy and then they're like, well, he can learn how to play right tackle or he can shift them over to the left. Are there any guys in this draft right now that jump off the charts in terms of their ability where a team might say, okay, we're going to have this guy switch sides? Well, I mean, look, you can start right with five with the chargers because, you know, I'm, it's an interesting decision.
I was having a talk with, with a guy last night about this, with a general manager. We were saying all was, you know, he's played left.
If he goes to the chargers, they're not going to move Rashawn Slater. The guy's an all-pro left tackle.
So, and then some people would voice concern to me of like, wow, you're going to ask Alt to switch positions. He's a left.
He's never played on the right side. And this GM was like, you really, I mean, he's played offensive tackle, left tackle for two years.
This kid was a tight end who converted to left tackle. Within two years of playing a position, he's never played in his life.
He's a 10 pick. I think it would be a lot easier to move from left tackle to right tackle than move from tight end to left tackle.
So he's like, he'll figure it out. He'll be fine.
So some people don't like it of moving a guy from one side to the other. Others have more concern.
But a guy like Fuaga from Oregon State, who's a really good tackle, right tackle. I know teams like with him specifically who have an aging tackle.
And they're like, look, the thing I like about him, he's our right guard year one. And then once our tackle ages out, we can kick him out and do that.
So, you know, I think there's different ways of looking at it. But there are some teams that are more strict, like, hey, he's been in a left-handed stance his whole life.
I'm not going to ask him to, you know, I don't want to draft him and move him over to the other side. Yeah.
Can you give us your top three freaks in this draft? Athletic freaks? Ooh, yeah. I would say, I mean, Brian Thomas is way up there.
You go Brian Thomas. I mean, receivers are going to be the easy ones.
And Adonai Mitchell, both those guys, LSU and Texas, like total, total freak show dudes. And then I would say if I want to get somebody on the defensive side of the ball, absolute freak.
Well, I mean, I think in his own way, I think Byron Murphy's got some freak to him. Yeah.
Defensive tackle from Texas. He's not a huge dude, but just super, super twitched up and explosive.
What about a freak who's going to go late in the draft that is like raw, where you're like, all right, he hasn't played enough football or he hasn't been coached enough, but everything that he has size-wise, speed-wise, if he puts it all together, he will be a real gem. Yeah yeah i'll give you this name it's kind of a fun one was travis clayton uh this dude so this dude's six seven he's 301 pounds he's a tackle he ran 481 um i say he's a tackle he's from england so he hasn't played he's played soccer he's been a boxer and he's been rower.
I don't have any idea how any of that translates to the NFL. But I did spend 15 minutes of a Saturday watching a workout.
And I've convinced myself that in the sixth round, this guy's going to end up being an unbelievable player. I put college.
I have my Excel sheet. The position, the name, the height, weight, speed, the grade, and then the ranking.
and i have the college in there i put college like england i don't know i don't know how i what do i do with that i love those guys though the project tight end that would be awesome he dude i'm telling you like i i've never given somebody so much credit for running over a bag but i was like this is graceful look at this guy move this is beautiful yeah what if he was if he was – yeah, he could be like a Kyle Brady type where it's like he's just another offensive lineman and he also can run and catch balls. No one can tackle him, yeah.
Yeah, no. What was the guy – George Fant was another one who was like – remember Seattle just used him as like the sixth offensive lineman for like 40% of the snaps one year.
Yeah. Yeah, I think that – was that the Tom Cable years where he was just like, I'll take anybody that's big and I'll teach them how to play offensive line.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's it. And we're going to play all of them.
Yeah. What about the S2 cognition test? We're big fans of it.
We think that it was, it's a very valuable tool that can be used to determine which quarterback should drop to number two. So are they, our team still using it Or is there, I guess maybe a more interesting way to ask

would be like, what's the new S2 cognition test this year

where there's like an edge that teams are trying to get

with some sort of new technology that's very important to them?

In post, are you going to put like some Sarah McLachlan music

underneath this conversation with it in memory of the S2 test?

Yeah, I mean, look, I know a bunch. I know like Athletes First is a huge agency, and they had Stroud, and like none of their guys took it this year.
And I think that's not just them. I think there's other people that their players aren't going to take it anymore after all that information got out.
I think everybody's always trying to find like the cheat code of doing this, of like evaluating quarterbacks. And I'm like, I just I don't think there is one.
You know, there's no test. There's no stat.
There's no like the old Parcells, like, you know, formula. If you drop them through that formula and the number of starts and graduated and all it happened and all that stuff, like there is no there's no cheat code.
And it's like I don't want to it sounds weird to say because I'm, I can disqualify myself here. But at the end of the day, it almost feels more like a coin flip on these quarterbacks and more so than anybody has the exact answer of how to figure it out.
I'll actually give you a cheat code. I think we know what the new science is going to be to determine whether or not a quarterback will be successful.
It's you take them to Topgolf and then you have them compete against each other at Topgolf.

And then that's a great way to figure out how you're definitely not going to draft a bust.

Yeah.

I mean, but I see this is, I think of being the scout in this situation.

Like if I was in the room and they're like, guys, like we're at Topgolf.

If I have a big grade on the quarterback and he's just crushing it, right?

Crushing drives at Topgolf.

I'm like, this guy's so athletic. Literally, any sport, he can do it.
Like he's a natural competitor. Like he's great at everything.
If he goes out there and he literally is shanking everything, he can't hit the ball straight. Like this guy's so obsessed with football.
Like you think he has time to go golf. Like this guy is just grinding tape.
Like he's not out there on his free time hitting the golf ball. Like this is the guy you want.
So I could swing it either way. Yeah, you you can it's always fun to do that the the just whatever like it's the jj mccarthy conundrum where you're like oh he's he didn't play he didn't throw a lot but when he did throw it was awesome you can just convince yourself one way or the other on the argument yeah 100 on the mccarthy thing like the one of my favorite uh stories with him through this draft process is he's watching tape uh with somebody and they going through his tape and kind of, he's answering like what he sees, all this kind of stuff.
And they're in the, and I don't remember what game it was. He's like, they get to the 20 and going in and get to the 20 and JJ goes like, you can fast forward it.
And he's like, well, no, I want to see like your reads and what he's like, it's Michigan football. Like we're, we're going to run it six times and score like you can fast forward.
And he's like, look, we did all this stuff in practice every day, and I don't know how you argue with Michigan. Their philosophy was like, we don't have to.
We can beat all of these teams by just doing this. Why would we do anything else? Yeah, I agree.
All right, another question. This is real nitty-gritty stuff that I know that you can answer.
I love to think ahead. What does next year's draft look like, and what are teams thinking in relation to next year's draft where they're like, this position is going to suck next year.
We've got to get it this year. Well, I know I was talking to a GM who had this conversation with his owner because the owner wanted to say what's coming down the line at the quarterback position.
And the GM was like, well, right now it doesn't look great. But like last year at this time, we wouldn't have been talking about Jaden Daniels.
The Joe Burrow year, we wouldn't have been talking about Joe Burrow. Like these guys, every year these guys come out of the woodwork and you see guys improve.
They'll transfer, get in the right spot. I mean, but looking ahead, it doesn't look great at that position right now.
But his message to his owner was like, there's always going to be quarterbacks. So even though we don't know who they are at this point in time, I don't think you can panic this year and say, oh, we just trade everything.
Let's go up and get one of these guys we don't love, but we don't know what's coming next year. You kind of just got to have some faith that those guys will emerge.
Yeah, it's kind of pointless to look that far in the future. I love doing it, though.

Anything can happen, yeah.

Yeah, just being like, well, we got to get it now.

You can convince – it's similar to the J.J. McCarthy or Topgolf.

You can just convince yourself one way or the other.

And then if there's like a quarterback you project already

as being really high next year and he doesn't quite live up

to those expectations next year, you still kind of have that high grade on him

because you're like, well, you know, he had that body of evidence in the past,

so you can never really be wrong about it. Yeah, right.
It's great mock draft are you on right now is this mock 4.0 uh i thought i think i've done four i've got my last one i gotta turn it in today as we're recording this and then that'll come out tomorrow night so i used to like push push back on it because i'm like dude if you just let me get like to thursday because you'll hear more stuff and blah blah blah, blah. And then I realized two things.
Number one, stop taking this so seriously. It's a mock draft.
And number two, the information that you get in the last 24 hours tends to be like the worst information in the entire process. So just turn it in Tuesday morning and be done with it.
So what would you grade yourself for? What does success look like for your most recent mock draft? Like if you get seven guys in the right spot what is it i don't think it's more than like 10 i honestly like i really don't but to me i always kind of look at it and see of the 32 players like how many of the 32 players that went in the first round did you have in the first round like hopefully it's at least like 25 you know 26 of those're talking about the right, the right people basically, but you know, one trade and the whole thing's, you know, it's all screwed. Once you get one of those trades that happens and there's no way to predict that stuff.
So I, I don't, I, I used to like, Oh man, what? Like talk to 90 people and then stress over this stuff. And I'm like, they just kind of use some logic, common sense, look at how they've done things and throw it in there and move on.
Yeah. What's your worst miss when it comes to a mock draft? Oh, I mean like there's misses like this every year.
Like last year I was told that Indy was either Levis or Richardson. Like it was, that was still, it was those two guys, one of those two guys.
So I'm like, well flip flip a coin. I'll go with, I'll go with Levis.
Um, and then he doesn't, you know, he doesn't go, he not only doesn't go there, he drops out of the whole, whole first round. Yeah.
So there's guys, there's stuff like that that happens all the time. What, uh, so you were obviously, you know, a scout, you're in war rooms, uh, whenever a draft completes, I know personally, I'm just like, yeah, what bears nailed it because you have you know between the draft and when they start playing football you can just convince yourself that yeah we got every great pick this is awesome a plus was there ever a draft where you guys were like we actually didn't do that great or is it like everyone we love like you're like maybe like oh we really wanted this guy and we weren't able to get him we just don't feel that great about the draft we just submitted yeah i i mean i've had a draft in cleveland we didn't pick till the fourth round i mean so it's like i mean that was brutal i ate a lot of cookies in the draft room that year just bored out of my mind uh but yeah that one i mean you didn't know what and it ended up not being very good but uh, you didn't know what you had at that point in time with that group.
But I know before I got to the Ravens, I know that they, uh, you know, like, I think it was Ed might've been the Ed Reed draft or, or the Ray Lewis draft. One of those hall of famers where they had targeted another player who didn't end up being great.
And they were kind of, you know, let down and bummed about that a little bit. And then after like one mini rookie man, it can't crap, yeah, this worked out.
This worked out quite well for us. Yeah, it is so funny because I just never even thought a draft room could just walk out and be like, damn, we kind of blew that.
Because you'd think that no matter what, you'd just be like, all right, whatever we got, we have some time to work with these guys. You don't know what – that's the beauty of a draft pick.
You don't know know what you can always just think of their ceiling, not their floor. But just walking out of a draft room being like, fuck, we kind of fucked that up.
There's been, I mean, there's been times I, for sure. I had no one year I was in Philadelphia where there was a player we took in the second or third round that just individually, I, I had a very low grade on.
And it's like, it's the weirdest feeling in the world man because you're like for my livelihood I need this to be a really good player and hopefully we win and we all get playoff bonuses but there's also the part of like I didn't think this guy was very good yeah um and so it's like is this this to reflect on me isn't it you know as an evaluator um and it was one of those deals where I think we kind of went off of more of somebody had a close relationship with the coach, the college coach, and was kind of word over what you've seen. He did not end up being a good player.
That's a weird vibe when you're individually like, I don't really like this dude, but now I hope he's great. I hope I'm wrong.
It would be a tough victory lap to take too if you were like, I, I don't like this guy. They drafted him, and then he was bad.
I told you guys. Yeah.
He misses a tackle on a game that costs us the playoffs. I'm like, I told you guys.
I was right. You guys were wrong.
Yeah, but by the way, I know it's a weird feeling for guys who are doing it as their job in the scouting rooms, but it's actually a very relatable feeling to all of us because I don't think I've ever done a fantasy football draft where I'm like, I love my team. I literally submit it and I'm like, what the fuck? That was a terrible – I hate my team.
I despise my team already. I'm a bad drafter.
Yeah. Do you read the – No, I think that's real.
Yeah. Do you read the grades for the drafts? I don't.
I fortunately have been out of the grade business. I had to do that my first couple years at NFL Network, and I don't push back on much stuff, but that one was like, can we just please find somebody else to do that? I have no interest in it.
I think it's the silliest thing, but obviously it gets a lot of attention and people read it and all that, but I just think it's like, do it in two years, and then it's a real exercise, but this is kind of silly. All you're doing is reinforcing whatever your own opinion was before the draft started.
There's no facts. There's no facts involved in any of it.
Yeah, you're mad at teams for not doing what you would have done in that draft. And you're like, F.
My favorite is always the Seahawks draft from 2012, where they drafted Russell Wilson, Bobby Wagner. I think Bruce Irvin as well.
And then I think Bleacher Report gave him an F and said, none of these picks made any sense whatsoever, which actually now that I'm thinking about, Bleacher Report might have been right about Russell Wilson. Yeah, it took 10 years.
He had a Super Bowl. Yeah, they're correct.
Two Super Bowl appearances later. Now I'm the idiot for mocking the guy that gave the bad grade on draft night, so hand up.
I'll admit when I'm wrong. Yeah, it's true.
I mean, I don't know what the people read it though so people care oh i read every single one thing yeah the funny thing is you'd be shocked how many teams like like like gms that get pissed at these grades yeah who do you care like who cares man like just you you like him hopefully he's a good player but like this doesn't mean anything coming from anybody out here. I also just seek out whoever gives the Bears the highest grade.
I'm just like, I'll just find an A somewhere. Someone gave us an A somewhere, and then I'll just be like, that guy, fuck, he's...
Does anybody go lower than a C? Yes, yes, sometimes. Sometimes they'll do like...
I think when the Lions picked Gibbs in the first round, I think a lot of people had them as like D-minus plus, because they're like, that was a reach for a running back. That is what really sets off the draft graders, is if you reach for a running back, they'll be like F.
Yeah. The red pen comes out.
Yeah, exactly. All right, so I got one last question, DJ.
This has been awesome. We love having you on every year.
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You know who I really like?

Teams are kind of split on him, but I really like him,

is Ennis Raikstra, the corner from Missouri.

He didn't run great.

He ran like 4-5-1.

But he's so fun to watch.

He's so tough.

You'll see pulling guards.

He'll go attack them. He just plays way bigger than his size.
And he went up against a lot of the top dudes in the SEC and held up really well. So he's one, I think he'll slide a little bit just cause he ran like four or five one and he's 183 pounds.
But like, I think you'll be watching games on Sunday next year and be like, dude, this guy's, this guy's making plays pretty good. He's like a, he's like a little bit like a Kirkland brand, a Witherspoon from, uh, from last year.
I like him. Just kind of like the knockoff.
All right. So when we see the name Ennis Raikstraw come through, we're going to be like, that's a great pick.
Costco. Yeah.
Yeah, Costco. Although that's – I mean, Kirkland brand is awesome.
Their hot dogs are still cheap as hell. Yeah.
Is it still $1.50? I have not been in a while. Yeah.
They're never going to change it. It's fantastic.
It's the best deal. Yeah.
I feel like every time I would go there too, I feel like the churro got longer. Like they just keep giving you more churro.
They're pranking us. Yeah, and then watching the pizza sauce, the pizza machine.
My kids like to watch the pizza machine where they do the sauce and that's pretty cool. Yeah, I think their vodka was ranked best vodka in America.
Like it tastes better than – right now we're just doing a commercial for Costco. What about the golf balls? Because I feel like every time I'm trying to find my ball, I find like four Kirkland balls.
Yeah, those are the most lost golf balls. Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Because I think people that buy their golf balls from Costco are the ones that are spraying them in the tree. Yeah, the spray chart for Kirkland brand is just the woods.
Yes, and I think there's also... Obviously, you get them in bulk.
I would imagine it's a very good deal, which would leave you less likely to want to hunt that thing down. You're like, let's forget it.
Let's just keep going. It's a fascinating study.
My last question is how deep into the second round can a team delude themselves and be like, well, our early second-round pick is – that's basically a first-rounder. Is it like the top five picks of the second round? You can say essentially a first round pick.
I think if you're taking a wide receiver and the top of the second round, you can be like, I got a first round player just because of the, you know, maybe they get pushed down a little bit because the depth there, I think, you know, for the most part, the defensive side of the ball, I don't think you're getting a, you know, you're not going to get a first round player in the top of the second round in this draft. So I would say if your team drafted a wide out in the second round, you can, you can, you know, pump your chest a little bit and say, dude, we just got a first round type player with a first round grade here in the second round.
How many first round grades do you have in this draft? Well, it's kind of, you know, the way that, the way it is, it wouldn't say like just like first round grade, second round grade. I would say where the fall-off point is, I think you get to – I can probably go like 22 deep is around where that spot would be.
Okay. And then I think it starts to drift off a little bit.
I like that. I love the fall-off points.
Yeah, 22 first-round picks, but 32 picks overall. Yeah.
Those other guys shouldn't even be there. Well, to that point, like 24 and 34, like I don't know that it's that.
You're not getting that different of a player. Okay.
That's good to know. All right.
Well, DJ, thank you as always. Best of luck.
We'll be watching. You're the best.
And, yeah, good luck on the draft on Thursday night. I appreciate it.
Congratulations to both your teams. I'm looking forward to seeing that NFC Championship game next year.
Yeah, next year. Think about it this way.
Next year, this time, we're going to be having you on, and we're going to be like, so the Bears pick 32, the Commanders pick 30. We beat them in the NFC Championship game.
This is crazy. Yeah.
Actually, we probably won't have you on next year because we won't care about the draft. Because we're drafting so late in the first round that it's like, yeah, you can go on Max's podcast that he does with the Eagles drafting number two.
Yeah, you guys are talking baseball this time. Yeah, exactly.
All right. Thanks so much, DJ.
All right, guys. Take care.
Later. And now for something completely different.
Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend, recurring guest is field yates from espn and he will be on your television on draft night let's start there field before we get into maybe some draft intel that you have for us uh how are we feeling about draft night what is what's your exact role and are you like this is your first time doing like the whole thing right yeah this is my first time doing it in this capacity. So on Thursday and Friday, I'll be part of the ABC broadcast.
So ESPN has the traditional ESPN broadcast, which will be Kuyper and Greeny and Booger and Louis Riddick on the primary sets with Molly McGrath doing the player interviews. And there might be a couple others that I'm missing there, but that'll be sort of the people that you'll be hearing the most from on ESPN.
And on ABC, it'll have a little bit of a different feel to it. It's called sort of the storytelling broadcast, so you might hear a bit more about the players, about the humans, excuse me, on top of the players, but it'll be a lot of familiar faces to college football people.
It will be Reese Davis hosting with Kirk Herbstreit, Des howard uh and then nick saban making his espn slash abc debut so that'll be sweet uh pete damel myself and then laura rutledge will be doing the player interviews on the abc side and then on uh saturday we got the full rounds four through seven i'll be back over on the espn set as we reduce down to just one broadcast so you're doing the tragedy broadcast i hope it's not too tragedy, but I've thought about that. Yeah, I was reading through.
So I've been spending, you know, at some point you kind of have to turn the page on like, you know, all the film study and all like the various notes you've been taking on players and just kind of remind yourself about the things that you've seen or things that you've tracked over the past 11 or so months. And I was looking for a few more uplifting stories because I am mindful of

the people that feel like the draft,

which is supposed to be this very celebratory night can turn a bit somber

sometimes.

Okay.

That's smart.

How many,

how many names do you know right now?

Ooh.

Ooh.

Good question.

There were probably upwards of,

yeah.

So ESPN asked me how many wanted to have ranked.

And actually Kuyper gave me a little hint here,

but I thought it was a useful one was,

so I ended up ranking 200 for ESPN.com, probably had closer to 330 or 340 players ranked. The reason why we cut it off though is, I think this is probably logical to you guys, but people who watch the draft broadcast or a little bit less football guys may not necessarily think of it this way, is as you get further and further away from player number one the difference between like player 150 and 190 is pretty negligible right it's a lot of times as simple as like preference maybe the system you're playing and etc but it even gets you know more and and more difficult to sort of figure out the difference between 220 and 250 so Kuyper said hey cut it off at 200 at in year one, because the last thing you want is player 325 in your board to be drafted at 110th.
And people saying, why the heck did whatever this team reach by 200 plus slots, according to your big board, when the reality is it might be that player 110 and player 320 aren't that dissimilar of players, even if the rankings suggest a huge gap. Are you taking him at the end of the draft because you want to control where he's going to go and you think oh there's another team that's that's closer to him geographically that he might end up going to as a free agent so let's just use our pick to get that guy in camp yeah that's got sort of the mentality yeah i mean i think the reality of day fourth uh rounds four through seven two guys as you guys i'm sure know this but like it's just so much of it is much more like beauty in the eye of the beholder, right? There are certain teams who their offensive line preference is more athletic guys.
Some teams prefer size. Some teams prefer, you know, corners that maybe don't necessarily have great size, but have great speed.
Other teams can compromise speed for size. So, well, I think the first, you know, 20, 25, 30 players on the board are probably going to be named that the league evaluates pretty closely and certainly in the first you know 10 picks that's going to be the case but the further we get from from pick number one the more and more likely we are to have some curveballs and as a result of that those rankings can become at least in my mind a bit more difficult to accurately pinpoint when you're scouting for 32 teams as scouting as opposed to just scouting for one team yeah the first two rounds are for criticizing all the other teams and then rounds like three through seven are basically selling yourself on whoever your team picks being like this is actually a steal we got diamond leave we got this guy yeah yeah 100 yeah like there's there's a couple kids uh there's a handful of players from both north dakota and south dakota north dakota state south dakota state and university of south dakota who are all good players but i really can't wait for people to say like with absolute conviction like we got that guy in the fourth like we got him in the fourth yeah kidding me that corner from from south dakota like most people had him you know in the third round we got him in the fourth like imagine like you know we just must well book the playoff tickets now yeah so it's a part of the exercise for sure all right so I just looked up your your top 200 uh thank you for ranking uh Caleb Williams number one but I so you have Caleb Williams number one you have Marvin Harrison third I feel like everyone has said that Marvin Harrison is if you just went best player like best you know pro on the board Marvin Harrison would be number one.
So why do you have two quarterbacks? You have Caleb Williams one, Jaden Daniels two. Why do you have them ahead of Marvin Harrison? Yeah, part of it is the positional value.
Just because if Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams become top 15 players at their position, which obviously both the Bears and the Commanders are hopeful that it's top five players their respective positions. A top 15 players at their position, which, you know, obviously both the Bears and the commanders are hopeful that it's, you know, top five players, their respective positions, a top 15 quarterback is going to get paid way more than the number one wide receiver in the NFL.
And I think you would argue that a top 15 ish quarterback can tilt the fortunes of a team a lot more than the number one wide receiver in the NFL. So at the very top, it feels a little bit sort of, like it just feels kind of weird when you're talking about players.
Saying Marvin Harrison isn't the best in the NFL draft feels like kind of a shot at him, but it's a bit of just like baking in the value of those guys being quarterbacks. And I do feel as though this is sort of a two quarterback tier at the top of the board.
I've got a lot of love for Drake May, who's fifth on the board as well, but I do see a gap between Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels and Drake May. So I thought that sort of having that quarterback, quarterback, then wide receiver, wide receiver run at the very top did reflect how I view this sort of draft class at the very top.
Yeah, I would personally take Marvin Harrison Jr., but we do need a quarterback in D. so i'm happy to take quarterback but for the record uh the marvin harrison is an awl listens to every podcast yeah i think i have your son right number one sir so uh don't don't come at us that's the respect he deserves yeah i mean he's and like marvin harrison jr it's really there's like not a single thing in his game that you can point to that isn't at an above average or excellent level uh That's kind of one of the cool things about this draft class.
And you got three receivers at the very top in him and Malik Nabors and also Martin, then also Roma Dunze, where one of them is going to have to be the third receiver taken. And it might not be until the seventh, eighth or ninth pick.
And in a different draft, like all three of those guys could easily be the number one wide receiver taken, maybe even the top three selections so it's going to sound to one of these teams like they're getting the third best wide receiver I guess in the fan bases of these teams but the reality is there's a very very small difference at the very top between Marvin Harrison Jr. Malik Nabors and Roma Doonze all three of those guys are part of the blue chip group that we have in this year's class I would say along with you know three of the quarterbacks plus Bowers.
It's a pretty special seven or eight players at the very top of the board. I don't know if you're looking for tips for Thursday night, but here's a tip.
All of them. Yeah, okay.
I really wish Rome Adunze's name was Romeo Adunze. That is a good one.
Did you hear the reason why his name is Rome? His dad was infatuated with the Roman Empire, so that's how they landed on it. Oh, I like that.
I was thinking about Roman Empire. That's a football guy move right there.
Yeah, but wouldn't it be cool if he was Romeo? Plus move. Romeo Adunze? Yeah.
Romeo Adunze would be a great NBA prospect, I think. Yeah, true.
True. But Rome.
That does work, actually. Yeah.
I don't know if he has any basketball in his background, but if he does, it might make more sense. Oh, since you know all the stories, who's the best athlete in another sport in the draft um well jj mccarthy was an awesome hockey player and the cross player growing up so he's a three-sport athlete he's certainly up there um keon coleman played peon coleman the florida state wide receiver began his career at michigan state he was on the basketball team for a year so he was a sick athlete as well which kind of shows up i feel like uh sometimes uh we do that too often we try to you know like dj burns we tried to make that an nfl thing uh for a minute during north carolina state's run to the to the final four uh but key on colvin like the basketball stuff does kind of show up like he you know plays above the rim and the red zones like constantly making catches over defenders and going up for uh catches with one hand and somehow bringing them down uh he certainly will be on the short list as well.
There's always a handful of basketball guys. It feels like in every class, I'm trying to think of anybody else that has an obvious multi-sport background that I'm forgetting off the top of my head, but those two came to mind.
I love whenever that's a, that's a story just because it's like, man, these guys just have it all where it's like, yeah, did you know that this guy who's getting drafted in the top 10 could throw 99 miles an hour? This guy's good at sports. He's good at all.
An athlete is really athletic. Crazy how that works, right? Is there any play that you're looking at that's going to either give Roger Goodell a giant, giant, giant hug or maybe a very confusing handshake that Roger Goodell won't be able to keep up with? Ooh, good one.
I got to shoot. There's only 13 players going to the draft this year.
Do you guys see how small that list is? Oh, people are getting scared, huh? They don't want the green room. I don't know what's going on.
Yeah, I don't know if that's because – I don't know if it's just because there's a little bit more uncertainty in terms of who's going to go there. I don't know if players are wary of being the guy left in the green room potentially overnight.
I feel like all 13 guys that are going, I feel pretty good about them being taken in the first round. So I have to go back and look at the list.
But this offensive line class is full of absolutely massive humans. If Amarius Mims went, he's from Georgia, if he is going to the draft and I don't believe he was invited, he would be a leader in the clubhouse.
I saw this note, ESPN Stats and Information Group does a great job of pulling together notes on the top 200 prospects. And I know you guys love talk of wingspan and hand size and things like that during the pre-draft process.
And they dropped in there that Marius Mims' wingspan is a quarter of an inch shorter than Giannis'. So just to give you some perspective in terms of how big this human is.
So I feel like if he goes to the draft, and I don't think he was on that list, but if he did go, if he decided to make a last-minute call and fly to Detroit, I feel like a Marius Mims would swallow Roger Goodell. It'd be very funny if, as the first Zoomer quarterback, Caleb Williams just gave him a big kiss on the list.
Oh, I would love it. Just like made out with Goodell real quick.
Maybe cupped his balls. Yeah.
Jacked him off. Wait, who's got the biggest hands? would love it just like made out with cadela maybe maybe cupped his balls yeah what uh jacked him off wait who's got the biggest hands i believe it's patrick paul whose older brother chris paul uh not to be confused with rostella's chris paul plays for the commanders who actually took over as a starter second half of last season i think he's at like 10 and a half inch hands uh pennix has huge hands as well uh you know it's weird i feel like there's been less talk about hand size this year with the quarterbacks which is good i don't know if i've seen this and i haven't been doing this nearly as long as kuyper but i ran it off him and he did not have a great recall of a player with this kind of measurement uh but uh olu fashionu the left tackle from penn state who could be a top 10 pick certainly a top 15 or 18 pick guys a stud he was actually caleb williams teammate in high school So he protected for him for a few years there and then went to Penn State.
He has, I think someone saw this, like one of the smallest hands on record at the combine, eight and a half inches for an offense. So you would just think that an offensive lineman, just based off of the position they play in, their overall size would have bear claws.
He's got eight and a half inch hands. So that's an important stat that people need to be aware of for Thursday night.
I'm not sure what it means, but it's important. That's really tiny.
That's bizarre for a human being. I like that a lot too.
Have any teams taken our advice and started measuring quarterbacks to the eyeball and not to the top of the head? I've seen. Well, do we have any quarterbacks this year that have a hairstyle that would make the top of the head a little bit trickier? Bo Nicks has done the spiky hair bo nicks done oh yeah hair yeah well i was kind of surprised i saw bo at the senior bowl and then i went to oregon pro day i he was bigger than i realized uh i maybe i just i don't know why i assumed that he wasn't like all of six to six two and a half but bo kind of surprised me with this size all right so uh let's talk real quick about like some of the scuttlebutt that's going on right now.
I saw a report that the Patriots are trying to trade out a three. So how much is that reality, and what would be their plan there? They're now saying we don't want a quarterback? Yeah, so first of all, I had to stop listening to McShay with you guys on Monday about 15 minutes in because I was starting to realize that Todd and I had heard some similar things.
I love Todd, obviously. He's awesome.
And he was great with you guys from the part that I heard. But I was realizing we were starting to hear the same things.
And I was like, you know what? I don't want to come on the show and simply regurgitate what I think Todd had said. A lot of it sounded pretty good to me.
So I had to cut myself off. So if some of this sounds like repeat from McShay, I don't want people to think that it's just because I heard McShay, but rather to sort of support that, like, maybe there's some validity to some of the things that we are hearing.
You did your due diligence. We are going to need you to, after the draft, finish that episode for the numbers.
Oh, no, I'll do it. I'll do it after we finish today.
I still want to hear what Todd had to say. Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
Got it, got it, got it. That's loyalty.
But so the Patriots, I think they would be – I think they would listen. I think they would listen to an offer at pick three only because, you know, obviously if their board is Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, and Drake May slash J.J.
McCarthy in terms of the third and fourth quarterbacks, then you're getting at best your third or fourth quarterback. And QBs can kind of be like real estate, right? Like there might be, whatever, a few houses on the market for the same price.
And you see, you know, one differently than the other. And, you know, reasonable minds can agree on things and reasonable minds can disagree on things.
That being said, the Patriots need a quarterback so bad right now. You look looking at the roster and obviously they have so many holes, but I would be surprised if the Patriots ended up trading out of pick three, but I don't know for sure right now.
And I suppose this could change with like one tweet from Schefter or a big insider that suggests where the Patriots could turn. I think it would end up being Drake May.
I don't think J.J. McCarthy should be totally ruled out, but I do lean towards Drake in that scenario.
But the problem with trading down, I've talked about this throughout the process for the Patriots or anybody else that's sort of been rumored as a potential trade down candidate that needs a quarterback as well. The Patriots could trade down and maybe get the Vikings 11th overall pick, 23rd overall pick, and then a pick next year, whether it's a first-round pick or something else significant, is the Patriots wouldn't have a quarterback in that scenario.
And then a year from now, the Patriots could find their way to six or seven wins. I don't know that I view them right now as a team that's going to be very good.
That being said, it's the NFL, right? The Giants this past season are a good example of this. If the Giants had finished with the fourth worst record in the NFL and had the fourth pick, we might all be talking about four quarterbacks going off the board to begin the draft without any trades whatsoever.
But instead, the Giants might not draft a quarterback in part because in order to get up to pick four, they might have to move maybe a first round pick in 2025 along with pick six. So you might get a bunch of assets when you trade down, but you might just need to repurpose them a year from now to get back up to take one of those quarterbacks.
And while anything can happen and Shador Sanders and Quinn Ewers and a handful of other quarterbacks certainly are going to be talked about a lot going into the 2025 draft cycle. You just don't know until those guys go through their final season.

Jaden Daniels is a good example of how a player can certainly rise way up.

And then Drake May is an example of a guy who, you know, coming into the season,

people would have thought there was no way anybody could challenge Caleb Williams except for Drake May.

And now Drake could, we'll see, but could be the third quarterback off the board.

All right, so when it comes to the quarterbacks, Caleb Williams, he's going to Chicago. We've established that.
The Bears are all in on him. He's going to be awesome.
He's going to be awesome. He's going to be awesome.
He's going to be awesome. One of the best quarterbacks that we've ever seen.
Ever. I always like when teams are leading up to the draft, you'll talk about the presumptive number one pick quarterback and then compare them to quarterbacks from from 10 years ago right now that guy i feel like is still andrew luck where they say is the most surefire prospect since it's always andrew luck right now if you have a really good quarterback but if you were to compare caleb with the number one quarterbacks that have been drafted in say the last five years as prospects where where would no i'm just curious where would you rank caleb in terms of all the top prospects because i know the answer yeah i would i would think uh and let me just make sure so five years would be 2018 to 2022 right yeah um you know going into the process yep going into like not based off what we know now right because we do know what we know now yeah okay josh and lamar havear have raised the bar, right? I mean, those guys from the 2018 draft class are certainly at a different level.
But I would say going into the draft, it would be Caleb and Trevor sort of in tier one by themselves. And we'll see with Trevor.
I still have a lot of optimism on what he can become. It's been kind of a weird start through the first three years.
But I would say that Caleb is sort of right there with Trevor in terms of like tier one quarterbacks going into the process. Obviously, what they become after they get drafted is a whole different part of the conversation.
But that's where I would view him as at least. I mean, Jaden Daniels had one of the best college seasons we've seen, you know, maybe ever.
Right. I mean, he won the Heisman Trophy, which already puts him on the short list.
And that wasn't enough to overtake Caleb Williams. So I think that sort of suggests just how much of a shirt thing is not the word I like to use, but how strong of a prospect Caleb Williams is and why that number one pick was so valuable for the Bears.
When you're asking me for a comparison, we always do this thing where we compare guys from the last 10 years or so. My favorite thing with working with Kuyper is, you know, Kuyper will be like, he'll be

talking about some wide receiver, like, you know, Malachi Corley, who might go in the

second round.

He'll be like, you know, doesn't he remind you of like Al Toon, who got drafted in like

1974?

And I'm like, no, maybe that's possible.

Right.

But, but Mel, you know, obviously when you got a 46 year Rolodex of prospects to work

off of his comparisons date a little bit further back than I do, but I don't recall quite what the players were like back in 1976 yeah all right so we had another one I had I'm curious about with JJ McCarthy uh there's now I'm here this is all hearing internally literally in our office there's debates that he is going to be like Will Levis in that he will fall and this is all just fodder and people are pumping him up.

What's the reality?

I don't think he'll fall.

I don't know that he'll go third overall, which I mentioned earlier is like I would

say there's a chance.

I don't know if it's a great chance.

I wouldn't totally dismiss it, but he's not going to fall too far.

I would think the floor for J.J. McCarthy, the absolute floor would be 11th for the Vikings.
But that would be a really – that would be a ballsy game of chicken the Vikings would be playing if they don't move up from pick 11. And just imagine – the possibility of J.J.
McCarthy falling to them is in play, right? Because you can make a case that obviously the Cardinals aren't taking the quarterback. The Chargers aren't.
The Titans aren't. The Falcons, I don't think, are.
The Bears obviously aren't with number nine and the Jets not at number 10. The problem is the Broncos at 12 and the Raiders at 13 are looming, right? So all three of those teams are kind of competing against each other with this smaller, every pick away from one reduces the size of the quarterback pool.
So I think JJ's floor is 11. I think the more realistic floor is probably somewhere within the first six picks because I do think we'll have at least one trade up.
But my grip on where these quarterbacks are going to go feels a lot weaker once we get past JJ. Because I think there are people that feel like Mike Pennix Jr.
is a lock to go by 13 at the absolute latest for the Raiders. And there are others who say I could see both he and Bo having to wait around a little while.
I'm starting to move closer and closer towards Penix definitely going early off the board and Bo finding his way to the first round as well. Interesting.
So if JJ is truly the best quarterback that's ever played at the University of Michigan, as Coach Harbaugh said, what he could say, because he's counting himself. He's counting himself and he's counting tom brady and he's counting everybody if he truly believes that wouldn't he want to draft him you would think so right yeah no respect for denard robinson others that have uh have made their way through michigan by the way from jim harbaugh um i it's actually kind of a brilliant play in this regard right like i'm not saying that jjJ.
McCarthy wouldn't have been in the conversation without Jim Harbaugh's approval. I do believe that he would be very much in this conversation.
But Jim Harbaugh being the ultimate hype man has been a nice way to remind people about how good this kid is. And the public is, like, buying it more and more and more.
And what I will say is that, well, I don't think GMs and head coaches are paying attention to what other GMs and head coaches are saying publicly about a player that they just spend time with, right? No GM or head coach is going to do anything other than promote the crap out of that player. I do think owners, you know, they got these rabbit ears, right? And they're hearing everything.
And I think that an owner whose team might be thinking about taking JJ McCarthy in the first, you know, 10 picks probably feels more solid about it because of Jim Harbaugh's words. And Jim, with that fifth overall pick, not taking a quarterback, may have increased the value of that pick in a trade, right? So he kind of workshopped this a long time ago to kind of set his team up for a potentially more valuable trade back if the Chargers go that way, which is certainly possible.
I think it's a totally reasonable case. I think there's a totally reasonable case for them to just sit at pick five and take a wide receiver, given releasing Mike Williams and trading Keenan Allen.
But the Chargers, you know, and Jim Harbaugh's history tells you, like, if there's anybody who's going to try to play this game as old school as possible and maybe not necessarily need to invest a ton of valuable resources into the wide receiver room, it might make you think, at least at the draft, that's Jim Harbaugh and his new GM, Joe Hortiz. So I wouldn't rule out, obviously, the Chargers being a trade-back team, even if Malik Nabors or Roma Doonsley or Marvin Harrison Jr.
with justin herbert yeah what uh what other scuttlebutt you got what what maybe maybe what team is kind of laying in the weeds that you're hearing little things about where like they might get active they might trade up they might trade down they they could be the team that changes how the draft falls yeah i think that uh the first round the first eight picks is where i think things are kind interesting. So I think there's a chance that the first six picks are in some form or fashion, four quarterbacks and two receivers, right? That would require a trade down by one of either the Chargers or the Cardinals, which I think is certainly in play.
But if either of those things happens, then you'd probably have Minnesota being in the top five, taking the fourth quarterback, and then the cardinals or the chargers would take the first wide receiver and then i think the giants would take the second wide receiver but where i think things get interesting with tennessee and they have this big need at left tackle and joe alt from notre dame certainly very worthy of that seventh overall pick but unlike the wide receiver spot where you have this really clear, at least in my

opinion, line of demarcation, you get three next level receivers and Marvin Harrison Jr.,

Malik Nabors, and then Roma Dunze, and then a drop.

With the offensive tackle class, there are people around the NFL that have told me it's

at least a conversation between Joe Olt and Olufashanu, or Joe Olt and Tali Fuwaga as

an Oregon State offensive tackle, or Joe Olt and even Troy Fashanu or Joe Alt and Tali Fuwaga as an Oregon State offensive tackle

or Joe Alt and even Troy Fautanu from Washington.

So I think that, like, if I'm Tennessee, if I think the gap is pretty narrow,

and I just hired Bill Callahan, who's obviously the father of their head coach,

Brian Callahan, but one of the great offensive line coaches maybe ever in the NFL,

he might say, listen, I'm comfortable with whoever we get at, let's say, pick number 12 or 13, if we want to be the team that trades down. And maybe somebody wants to move up to grab that third receiver.
So in some ways, I feel like seven and eight with Tennessee and Atlanta, who we've all been mocking, Joe Alton, Dallas Turner, from pretty much the combine on as those two picks. One of those feels like it's due for a curveball, and a tradeback certainly would qualify in that category.
I like that. I hadn't heard that one because I've been hearing mostly Cardinals, you know, Giants.
Yeah, and the Cardinals could too, for sure. Monty's trying to make that pick move right now.
Yeah. Yeah, but isn't it funny how like – and it's possible.
Like I'm not ruling this out this out but like uh we've all it's like a lot of people are assigning like monty awesome forts like mo is the guy who's like constantly moving around the board and it's like he's been the gm for one draft right and like by the way they got an offer that when they made that deal last year we were all like holy crap like that's an that's an unbelievable win for arizona right like they got obviously pick 12 which they ended up moving back up to pick six, but they got the Texans' first-round pick in 2024. I remember at the time, they didn't announce it on the draft broadcast because the NFL didn't say anything which 2024 first-round pick they were getting.
I kept thinking to myself, there's no way Houston would give up their own 2024 first round pick, right? It's got to be Cleveland's 2024 first round pick because Houston wouldn't give up the potential of a top five or 10 pick. And obviously things went very differently and Houston ended up being one of the great stories of this past season.
So it's possible that Monty wants to move down, but he's got one draft of doing it, right? It's like one move that has sort of defined his MO, which for all we know, like he might just stick around and send it number four and take Marvin Harrison Jr. because he's just that good.
Yeah. Yeah.
So you've got obviously Cale number one, reading the tea leaves. It sounds like you're set on Jaden going second.
I hope you're right, but we've had Drake May moving up in the odds. We've had JJ moving up in the odds, but you're pretty confident it's Jaden number two.
I feel good about Jaden going number two. You know, this past week was interesting, obviously.
I mean, mostly incited by Jaden Daniels' agent, right, taking to Twitter and giving the sort of the hmm emoji, which, you know, I'm not sure it's a whole lot of good, right? But I will say, like, I think, like, the takeaway from that is more that, like, we're entering, like, kind entering a different era of where athletes are, especially when they are entering the professional ranks. Because of NIL, that was sort of my takeaway from it, is that you have to kind of treat these guys a little bit differently.
Because I'd imagine, I don't know, there's been the reports that Kaylee Williams made like $10 million last year at USC. So, like, these guys are probably used to from the past couple of seasons especially this past year for Jaden when he you know put that team on his back and had this meteoric rise like probably every second of every day being the center of attention and being sort of accustomed to people sort of expect like that's kind of maybe his expectations that like hey when you're bringing me in like for the past you know whatever the last football season was eight, nine months, like that's been the way that I was treated.
Like now I'm being brought in amongst, amongst several quarterbacks. Like it's just a different time right now for athletes, I think.
But I do think Jaden Daniels ends up going number two overall. Like, I don't think there was some sort of like serious calculus behind that decision last week to have three or four quarterbacks.
I think it was just kind of like the commanders, people who are in charge of that organization, have been with organizations in the past that have done things similarly, and there's no rules for those pre-draft visits. But I feel good about Jaden Daniels going number two.
And we all know about the dual threat. We all know about the great passing numbers last year with those two great receivers.
But the part that I've felt best about with Jaden Daniels throughout the process that I think gives me a lot of confidence that he's going to be very successful at the NFL level is I'm not sure I saw a more composed player in big moments last year. I know you guys know this, but most people probably think LSU, five stars all over the roster, there's a ton of talent every single year.
That wasn't the case last year for LSU on defense. And they needed to put up 40, 45, 50 points in a game every week to have any chance of winning.
And the SEC has got a lot of great defensive teams. And Jaden Daniels pretty much solved them all.
I mean, even Alabama, he left that game early. It was early in the fourth quarter with a head injury.
He was back the next week, so it wasn serious but he had almost 400 yards of total offense against Nick Saban I can't wait to see what Saban has to say on Thursday night when Jaden's taken because uh you know if Saban can't totally solve you like to me that's another reason to believe confidently in that player yeah although I it was always when Saban they're like you know a mobile quarterback is Saban's kryptonite and it like, but he only lost like four games in like 10 years. Like, but Johnny Manziel.
It was just my favorite thing to say. Yeah.
That one fateful Saturday afternoon when Saban, like, you know, God forbid he loses one game. Yeah.
All right. I got a couple last questions.
First one about the actual logistics of draft night for you. So a lot of names, a lot of back a lot of colleges you're an awl we want to protect you how many mistakes are we going to uh stomach and go to bat for you because there will be mistakes so like is it field yates fucks up one time and we will defend you but if you fuck up two times we're gonna have to be like we don't know this guy right yeah i think three strikes seems reasonable we'll play with some baseball rules you mean like like like messing up a name or something like that not like yeah evals because there could be a lot of evals that we you know we look back three years from now and it's like yeah that doesn't matter thinking yeah that doesn't matter i'm saying like name wrong wrong school wrong pronunciation like we got to be ready because the internet's a mean place so it is what do say? Two? Should we say two mistakes? It depends on what the mistakes are.
Yeah. All right.
So here's the only thing I'll say. And I was going to bring this up anyway, so I'm glad that you kind of led me to this.
We got a very difficult group of names at the top of this year's draft board. I've been practicing these guys like crazy.
But Olu Fashanu, Penn State. Some people have been saying Olu Fashanu.
His first name is complicated enough that I think he's just has gone by Olu on broadcast for quite some time now that like, it's not even worth trying. We got Tali Fuaga from Oregon State, whose first name is actually Taliesi or Taliesi, depending on who you talk to, because he's answered to both during interviews that I have watched during the pre-draft process.
But I was on the road for one of the pro days, and somebody said, well, if it makes you feel any better, when we met with him, he mentioned that people just call him Taliesi. So I've landed on Taliesi Fuaga.
I've got Troy Fautanu from Washington. That's three guys who could be top 15 or so picks.
So, Leatu Latu from UCLA, also a guy who deserves to be a top 15 pick. So, Goodell, I think, is going to have to be very deliberate when he's going to the podium with those names.
I feel like that's an underrated skill for a commissioner, but no joke this year with some of the names. Yeah, he's going to read 15 names.
And you also have to deal with the fact that I put Romeo Adunze in your head now. Yeah, I'm definitely calling him Romeo at some point.
That would be awesome. Make sure if Goodell messes up the pronunciation, you just jump in immediately afterwards and say it the correct way.
You don't have to tell him, like, you screwed this up. Just let America know that he's an idiot.
Yeah. i mean i we got i do have the espn pronunciation guy now so i feel i feel better i feel like a little bit more confident right now because you know like i'm sure i should be spending more time like going through like a little more film on these guys or you know just going through my notes when you're when you're juggling you know 340 or so names in your brain invariably there are players that you just haven't watched as recently as others.
And obviously 90, I don't know, 95% of the interest in the draft up until Saturday is Caleb Williams versus Jaden Daniels or Marvin Harrison Jr. versus Malik neighbors.
So those seventh round guys are undrafted guys haven't gotten quite as much love. So I probably could be spending a bit more time on some of those guys right now, which I'll try to find some time for.
But the pronunciation now feels like my responsibility come Thursday night. Got it.
Okay. My last question was just going to be, how many different Williams guys do you know? Last name Williams.
Just in this class alone, we've got Caleb Williams, Evan Williams. I could probably pull this up and sort it by last name.
There's got to be a few of them.

Yeah, we're high on Williams.

This would be a good question for Blake, right?

Buying all the stock on Williams.

No, you're not allowed to look it up.

Okay, well, I just have my list in front of me.

Top of your head.

No, Evan Williams, Caleb Williams.

Geez, I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch of them.

I feel like Mike Williams is just bound to be a name every single year.

Just throw out the generic names

and you've got a chance there.

At least two.

That's as far as I can get right now.

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This is a tough question for you, Field,

and you probably can't, there's probably nothing you can do.

But maybe because, you know, ESPN's putting on the draft, ABC, all this stuff. Detroit Don and Superfan don't have tickets.
They aren't put in the Lions inner circle. This is a travesty.
We need to figure out a way. They don't have tickets? They should.
I'm sure they could buy tickets. But I know that the draft, the way they set it up, they put people in the little pods.
These guys deserve to be there can we figure it out can you figure out can you ask anyone i'm getting off this and i'm gonna make a call okay because that's all i need feels on it doesn't feel right i i i probably should have spent a little more time uh figuring out what the actual ticket buying process was it was not on my my checklist prior to this uh i i assumed that pretty much anybody. Aren't they expecting a quarter of a million people? I think they just thought that they would be in the little pod that they show everyone before and they show all the fans.
I'll say this right now. They will be on their best behavior.
I'll put my reputation on the line, which is nothing. We're going to start doing that.
What was the name of the lady that came that hadn't been there in years? Oh, fuck.

What was her name?

That fan.

That hadn't been where?

The drafting years?

No, she hadn't been.

She left.

She used to sit with Detroit Don and Superfan, and she hadn't shown her face.

She was like, I'm not coming back until they make the playoffs.

Not Sprinkles.

Was it Sprinkles?

No.

Ms. Sprinkle?

Was it Sprinkles? It could have been. Ah, shit.
All right. Well, just see if there's any way.
See if there's any way that we can get. I got a couple more levers I can pull here before the games begin.
So I'm not giving up hope yet. Our reputation.
I'll do. It's a lot of responsibility.
If I put my reputation on somebody behaving in a crowd, that's actually the worst endorsement you could ever have. I'll do Detroit Don.
You do Superfan. I endorse Detroit Don.
I endorse Superfan to act in all ways like I would not act. Yeah, I'll say if Detroit Don gets out of line, then my reputation can be sullied.
Yeah, Superfan will play everything by the book. Yeah.
I want these guys. You can make this happen.
They deserve it. They do everything for the Lions.
They are the Lions. By the way, what are they going to do? They haven't picked 29th in probably forever, right? Yeah, it's really strange.
They scheduled this draft in Detroit. Everyone's like, oh, that's going to be cool.
No, you got to sit around and wait. I just know that Dan Campbell's going to pick somebody that he's going to get so fired up that he wants to just like wrestle his entire war room.
Oh, it's going to be great. Yeah, that is one of my I think you guys have highlighted this in the past, but that's also one of my favorite parts of the draft, especially at the top.
Right. Where it's like, you know who you're taking.
And I get it. Other than Washington and Chicago, like, I guess you don't necessarily have a guarantee of who you're taking, and they start immediately celebrating, which I get it.

There's a lot of work that goes into this process.

It's okay to relieve, exhale for a second, and feel some relief.

But, man, I do kind of get a chuckle out of that.

That is always one of the better parts.

It was Sprinkles, by the way.

Yeah, Sprinkles.

Now you're making me nervous, though, because you just said,

bottom line, the commanders are taking Daniels,

which I hope to God you're right. But now I'm officially nervous.
I feel Gifty's been very nervous. I know.
I know. You know, I've got a handful of commanders buddies in my life, and it's like every time they – Hey, have you talked to Shafter recently? Like, what's he saying? Yeah.
I tend to – I do feel good about that one. I will.
Okay. All right.
Me too. Me too, though.
Prove it otherwise. And, you know, I did hear this this part from todd and i agree with him wholeheartedly like from a tape standpoint to me it was you know it's pretty clear who the two best players in college football were uh at least at the quarterback position this past year so i feel good about jayden going number two overall uh and i you know i think the draft sort of begins at number three even if i do lean towards straight okay all right well field uh thank you so much uh first one's on us mistake wise on okay thursday night second one i'm out yep second one you're on your own short reign as a draft analyst yeah just make sure that the first one it really counts like don't don't screw up like a a school on the first one and then say like someone's like parents are dead on the second one and they're alive

because then we can't help you yeah we can't i'd okay i would have no way to help you out of that yeah it happened to me it happened to me last year at the masters our reputation is yet to recover yes yes i know that can be a long road back trust is a hard thing to earn it is an easy thing to lose right yeah that's what they always say all right well best of luck field thank you so much and good luck.

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Once he graduates, he'll be making a lot more than me, and part of me thinks that he should cover more of the rent expenses now that he's working. He's saying that I should have been doing the same the past couple years while he's been in school.
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Yeah, you kind of got caught there though you kind of got caught you should have you should have seen the future there you should have seen what was gonna transpire and paid a little more when you when you when you were making more yeah and i guess it depends when you moved in together too how long have you been dating up to this point have you been covering them for a matter of years yeah like do you feel like you're maybe you're entitled to some of that money back because you put them through his masters but she didn't she didn't they split it yeah that's a crazy argument to make that that was uh what's what's the guy's name bateman what's his first name jason jason that was very jason bateman yeah it's interesting it's like that you you reminded me that was a flashback of you just got the news that like your entire family was killed by a mexican cartel while you're living in missouri yeah that that show they're just always leaving the show is just michael or jason bateman backing his car out of a series of drivers in Yeah, in a minivan. Yeah.
Hey, PMT. I recently got out of a long-term relationship in which my boyfriend introduced me to his favorite sports team, the Buffalo Bills.
Now I'm a huge fan. I'm afraid I will always associate the Bills with my ex, but I want to enjoy watching Josh Allen be a freak of nature.
How might I mitigate this association so I can watch football and not be incredibly sad at the same time hmm you gotta fuck josh allen i was gonna say that then it ruins the team for him i was not gonna say that part okay but now i am and i is good and i agree uh if i was him i'd be very upset that my ex is now rooting for my favorite team yeah i'd like nothing more than for her to pick just somebody else i feel like that should be divvied up But she fell in love with Josh Allen It happens for the best of us Go ahead What about when you start dating somebody else? Are you going to take on their fandom? Well no she says she wants to be a Bills fan Yeah but that's going to be a weird conversation In your next relationship When your boyfriend's like why do you root for the Bills? It sounds like it didn't end so poorly, because if it did end poorly, you'd either fuck Josh Allen or date a cheese fan. One or the other.
Yeah, if you're a free agent, just find it. She doesn't want to be a free agent.
No, I'm saying, but just she's a free agent in terms of dating. Date a cheese fan.
Just see how that goes. I bet you it'd be fun for yeah until january i'm pregnant and my husband is adamant we name our first child hercules because his badass name and guarantees our child will be strong and powerful we don't even know the gender yet but he is convinced it's a boy he refuses to consider other names calling any other name weak and accusing me of wanting to raise a softy or a wimp.
He refers to our child, again, we don't know the gender, as Hercules. He has been steadfast on this idea for over a year.
Will he eventually back down, or will I have to name my child after a cartoon? So Hercules, I guess he was a myth. He was a mythological figure before he was a cartoon.
That's true. He's kind of reducing it down to something brand new.
But I feel like you're setting the kid up for failure actually if you name him hercules yes unless he is the strongest kid then he's going to be like kind of on the wimpy side for hercules yes he's going to be the second strongest hercules two things are happening here one uh definitely a girl it's going to be a girl uh update us when your baby girl arrives hope everything goes well uh two this is just classic pre having a child uh guy brain where they have plans in their head for my kid's gonna be the toughest my kid's gonna be this that the other and then you have the kid and you melt into a pool and you're just like i hope he's happy and healthy and nothing else matters. So just wait it out because he will not care one iota once the kid arrives.
Wait it out. And it's a girl.
Just so he knows. That's it.
Yeah. If you're like adamant it's a boy, it's going to be a girl.
That's just a fact. Yeah.
I feel like Hercules, unlesscules unless they're the toughest kid ever is gonna be just a bad name for that kid yeah i i just remember like before i had kids i had all these plans for my kids and then it's like oh my kid likes uh rocks my kid likes to pick up sticks okay that's the coolest thing in the world you know i'm down for that you know what if your kid does turn out to be strong you can call him hercules yeah you can still call him there's just be like, hey, Hercules. Yeah.
Hey, Herc. Herc is kind of a cool name.
Herc actually is a great name. Watching the wire.
That's a strength and conditioning coach. Yeah, Herc.
In the making. Bald head.
Goatee. Yeah.
All right. Good show, boys.
Good show. We covered everything.
Numbers. 40.
8. 20.
Oh, no.

I'll go 76.

3.

18.

Also, please tune in to PGA Tour Live this week.

Oh, yes.

Jake will be on the broadcast.

Zerg Classic of New Orleans.

When does it start?

Thursday through Sunday.

Love it.

A team event, right?

Yeah, a team event.

Do you know what the teams are?

Yeah.

What team's Max on?

He's not playing.

Oh.

But I am also doing my first signature event in two weeks, the Wells Fargo, which he's

a two-time champion of.

Oh, that's the fifth major.

Pretty much.

Hell yes.

Good job, Jake.

Thank you.

Proud of you.

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99, pug.

40.

20.

8.

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65. 65.
65. 65.
Max, I'm reading this post-game report here.

It just says that Coach Nurse, an attempt to call a timeout by Coach Nurse,

is neither recognized nor granted by the officials.

It doesn't say that the attempt was a valid attempt.

It says the first one was a valid attempt, the second one.

In the tweet that you sent over, that's I'm looking at The second one was a valid attack

The second one was not a valid attack

The first one was

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