Michigan State HC Tom Izzo, Uconn Dominates, UNC/Arizona Choke, World Series Picks + Fyre Fest

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have an awesome interview with Michigan State head coach Tom Izzo, legend of the game, Hall of Famer. We're going to talk some March Madness with him.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk coaching, the war drill.

Speaker 1 Everything with Coach Izzo. We're also going to recap Sweet 16 games.
We have four teams that have punched their tickets into the Elite Eight. So we're going to talk about that.

Speaker 1 Maybe also do a little abbreviated baseball preview because it was opening day. We'll give our picks for the World Series.
Our full baseball preview will come sometime in June.

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Speaker 1 Today is Friday, March 29th, and the R.J. Davis-Caleb Love rivalry game was stopped by R.J.
Davis and Caleb Love.

Speaker 6 So they win a combined 0 for 18 from 3? Oof. Am I reading that right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was the first time ever.

Speaker 1 I saw the stat. It was the the first time ever.
So Caleb Love 0 for 9 from 3. R.J.
Davis 0 for 9 from 3.

Speaker 1 First time any two players have shot 0 for 9 or worse from 3 on the same day in the NCAA tournament. And Arizona and UNC are going home.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and UNC, as big as any of those missed threes, was Baycott's missed dunk. That's why, number one, I don't dunk.
Number two, two-handed layup counts the same. Yeah.
Same amount of points.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, that game was incredible. UNC, Alabama was incredible.
And it came down to, yeah, Baycott's dunk, but to me, it was more

Speaker 1 Withers shooting a three with a minute left. I don't know why that guy was shooting that three with 10 seconds left on the shot clock when they were up one with a minute left.

Speaker 1 And then, again, it always comes down to this. Like, Baycott was an absolute monster on the boards.
And he gets his third foul with like 14 minutes left.

Speaker 1 Hubert Davis pulls him for four or five minutes. And I'm not like, I think they played about even.

Speaker 1 But what what Baycott was doing on the offensive glass, defensive glass, like they could not guard him, pick and roll. It just completely changed the complexion of the game.

Speaker 1 And I don't know why you don't say, hey, look, you're a 10th-year senior.

Speaker 1 You can stay out there and not foul and just do, you know, still be a positive for us, grabbing up all the boards, running, pick and roll. And Bama deserves all the credit, though.

Speaker 1 Grant Nelson was incredible. Grant Nelson was an absolute force.

Speaker 6 Love the mustache. Double, double.

Speaker 1 Even had the block at the end of the game with like 0.6 seconds left, the four-court heave. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I don't know if he tried to miss that last foul shot.

Speaker 6 I was saying that he should just because, yeah, don't let him set up anything to run a play, even if you're just inbounding it from underneath your own basket. Just let him try to huck it.

Speaker 6 And then he swatted him. That was a great play by him.
Awesome mustache for that guy. Awesome.
North Dakota State. Yes.
That man looked. He should be on the North Dakota State flag, actually.

Speaker 6 That should just be, he's the new symbol. They should build a Mount Rushmore in North Dakota, and it should just be his face.

Speaker 1 Devil's Lake, North Dakota. Devil's Lake.
So Alabama marching on. It was an incredible game.
I mean, this is what we all expected, that we would get some sweet 16 games that were awesome.

Speaker 1 Clemson beats Arizona. Arizona runs one of the weirdest game plans ever where Tommy Lloyd is, I think, a good coach.

Speaker 1 But then they have these games in the tournament where they were just chucking threes. I don't think they guarded a guy off the ball once all night.
Like they were just backcutting.

Speaker 1 Clemson was back cutting Arizona to death.

Speaker 1 And then you had, on top of all of it, they cut the lead and just like not deciding whether to foul or not, and then having someone leak out and won with like 15 seconds left, game over.

Speaker 6 What did Rick Petino teach us? The lost art of the bounce pass. Clemson brought the bounce pass back.

Speaker 6 They were feeding that dude down low, running that like Princeton backdoor cut, and Arizona didn't even pretend like they wanted to defend it.

Speaker 6 They were just like, okay, tell you what, we'll give up two points because we're going to go down court. We're going to shoot a three.

Speaker 6 Fun fact about the Arizona Wildcats, they have now lost to a team seeded at least four spots below them in each of their last six NCAA tournament appearances.

Speaker 6 That's the longest streak since seeding began in 1979.

Speaker 1 Damn. Yeah, it does feel like every year we're like, hey, Arizona, watch out.
They're so good. They have all these athletes.
Balo's a problem.

Speaker 1 And yet again, they're going home earlier than they expected. And Clemson.

Speaker 1 Those Clemson Tigers PFT.

Speaker 6 I think Alabama is going to run him out of the gym.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 1 They were fucking good.

Speaker 6 It was a cute little win. Cute little win that Clemson had.
You ran up against a team that couldn't make a three-point shot. Alabama is going to just score 120 points on you.

Speaker 1 They were running some awesome offense where they're just getting easy looks at the basket.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, they're going to continue to do that, I think, against Alabama. Yeah.
But I'm going to stick to our guns on this podcast. I think they're going to get smoked.
I think Clemson, great story.

Speaker 6 How condescending can we be towards Clemson right now?

Speaker 1 Well, we could say the teams that could win the tournament as of right now, it's Alabama, it's Yukon,

Speaker 1 it's Illinois, it's Purdue Gonzaga, Tennessee, Tennessee and Crayton. Houston, Houston and Duke,

Speaker 1 and anyone can win. NC State and Marquette, I would say, but not Clemson.
NC State team.

Speaker 6 Marquette, Shaka Smart, proven winner.

Speaker 6 I think Clemson, you know, it's a good story they had kind of America's sweethearts. Nobody saw it coming.
They snuck into the tournament.

Speaker 6 A lot of people, not us, said they shouldn't be in in the tournament.

Speaker 6 But I think clock has struck midnight on the Clemson Tigers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, also, shout out. There's a big golf tournament this weekend.
We had Siwu Kim Tracker give us an update.

Speaker 1 He said, Elite Eight bound, fuck you, PFT Commoner Barcelona Big Cat Philly Mays. Yep.
We've made a very powerful title. I fucking love this track.

Speaker 1 He's the only tracker that I want to step outside of golf because that is such an aggressive tweet that I just, I tip my hat and be like, that made me laugh out loud when I saw it.

Speaker 6 So wait, on Saturday, when Clemson's playing, is there any chance they play an early game? I would love it if it was like back-to-back tweets about like

Speaker 1 Seewo Kim in the rough off hole number nine.

Speaker 6 Joe Girard, one under three.

Speaker 1 Joe Girard for three.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Joe Girard. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 6 I want to be going back and forth between Seewoo Kim updates and Clemson basketball updates.

Speaker 1 Switching back and forth. Yeah.
So, yeah, Clemson, I mean, they were, they did run perfect offense tonight, and Arizona is a joke. Yeah.
They just chucked. What did Arizona end up shooting for three?

Speaker 1 They just kept every

Speaker 8 possession. Five of 28.

Speaker 1 Five of 28. Every possession for Arizona felt like when you're playing in

Speaker 1 a long, terrible game of pickup and you're at, you know, 13 points and then you're like, all right, let's just shoot a million threes when you could have gotten a couple layups.

Speaker 1 But you're like, no, let's just keep chucking threes and try to end it this way.

Speaker 6 They're playing like they were tired.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, they're like, let's get out of here.
Let's just try to win this game by hitting a bunch of threes that we're not going to hit.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it was a very weird game plan, and their defense stunk tonight. So

Speaker 6 I think we're, at the very least, we have an Elite Eight matchup between Alabama and Clemson where one of the two teams will go to the Final Four for the first time. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And probably the best football matchup that you can get.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would love to watch that football game on Saturday.

Speaker 6 Yeah, they should, yeah.

Speaker 1 They should just

Speaker 6 replay the night at the Hunter Renfro National Championship game.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 In the other bracket, we should talk about UConn and their path of destruction. So here is UConn's last eight tournament games.
24-point, or sorry, nine tournament games now.

Speaker 1 24-point win, 15-point win, 23-point win, 28-point win, 13-point win, 17-point win, 39-point win, 17-point win.

Speaker 1 And the craziest stat of all is UConn has won nine straight tournament games. Andrew Hurley has recorded a minute in every single one of those games.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I would say maybe a crazier says that UConn has won nine straight tournament games despite the fact that the committee is doing everything they can to prevent Danny Hurley and his team from moving on.

Speaker 1 I love Danny Hurley so much.

Speaker 1 He got pissed at his player for hitting a three

Speaker 1 the minute left.

Speaker 6 So about that, I do have a bone to pick with Danny Hurley. I'll say something nice about him and then I'll unleash my gripe.
Something nice about Danny Hurley. I think he's right on the money.

Speaker 6 He said after the game that they need to show his wife on TV more.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Respectfully agree with Danny Hurley.

Speaker 1 I like her necklace.

Speaker 1 She has a blinged-out husky necklace necklace that looks awesome.

Speaker 6 I did not see her necklace, but I'll try to notice it next time. I agree with Danny Hurley.
Again, respectfully. Respectfully.

Speaker 6 I'd knock it out of the park, respectfully. With all due respect.
All due respect.

Speaker 1 Stan Van Gundy.

Speaker 1 And then, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the other part is my gripe with him. Let your son shoot.
Let your son take a three.

Speaker 6 I know you guys are winning these games by a lot of points, but let Andrew put up a shot with like 60 seconds left.

Speaker 1 I think he did put up a couple shots against Stetson, I I want to say. But yeah, I agree.

Speaker 6 He's on the sidelines being like, B classy, B classy. I get it.

Speaker 6 The people want Andrew Hurley to make a three. I agree.

Speaker 1 He, yeah, he went. Oh, no, he hasn't gotten a shot.

Speaker 1 He recorded a foul against Stetson. He has not gotten a shot this tournament, but he got a couple last tournament.
I agree.

Speaker 6 Let him get a shot. Let him get a shot.
Maybe he's doing it because he knows that his son is also going to be an outstanding coach one day. Yeah.
And he wants his son to not let his grandson.

Speaker 6 But I feel like if you were to ask the patriarch of the family, like the grandfather probably wants the grandson to make a shot, right? Yeah. But the dad doesn't.
Right.

Speaker 6 So by instilling these values into Andrew Hurley, Danny Hurley is actually preventing his own future happiness watching his grandson make a shot. Right.
But in an NCAA tournament.

Speaker 1 Tough Hurley love, and Yukon is just an absolute monster right now. Is this your worst nightmare, Max?

Speaker 1 Nah, I mean, because if they go back to back back like this, the way they're going, like, that's

Speaker 1 way more impressive than Nova's two titles. Oh, yeah.
I mean, they're.

Speaker 9 At this point, it doesn't even matter. They're just so far ahead of us in every facet of history,

Speaker 9 standings in the Big East, future,

Speaker 9 present, afterlife, everything.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're, they, they, like, everyone's, you know, Bitcoin this, shit coin that. UConn.

Speaker 6 UConn is UConn.

Speaker 1 All they do is just kill teams by a million.

Speaker 6 We're doing like Colin Coward, but UConn is like Apple stock.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 6 It's like Amazon.

Speaker 1 It's fucking insane how good they are, and they have an answer for everything. And I don't even think they played like an A-plus game tonight.
And that was, it was like San Diego State.

Speaker 1 It was like 10-10 or something. And then you looked up and it was a nine-point lead.
And then you looked up and it was a 20-point lead.

Speaker 1 And I was like, okay, San Diego State pulled their starters with four minutes left.

Speaker 1 The problem is we haven't seen seen UConn like I haven't paid that close attention I've been watching the scores of UConn games more than I've been watching the actual on-court action they have an answer for everything they have dudes everywhere dudes they can hit play any style you want to play they got a monster down low they got guards that can hit shots like they just do everything and uh yeah it's gonna be actually i i was so i was rooting for illinois not because of big ten but because i wanted to see illinois versus ucon which we get now in the elite eight because if there's only if there's one person who could possibly stop ukon it's the way that Taryn Shannon is playing basketball right now.

Speaker 6 He's unreal.

Speaker 1 He's out of, it's like in the middle of the...

Speaker 6 He needs to make his foul shots, though.

Speaker 1 Oh, their whole team needs to make their foul shots. That was the fact that Illinois won a Sweet 16 game going 15 for 29 from the free throw line.

Speaker 1 Like they should have won that game by 10 points plus. And we talked about this on Sunday, I think, that...

Speaker 1 The tournament, you can't, not everyone can be UConn, where it's like every game you roll out and you're winning by double digits.

Speaker 1 Some teams are going to to have to survive a B-minus game, and that's what it felt like Illinois did tonight.

Speaker 1 And they, you know, Iowa State's a very tough team, and Illinois, like that, DeMasse and, and, uh, Terrence Shannon and Coleman Hawkins, like, I know that UConn's going to be favorites.

Speaker 1 I know UConn can, can probably waste anyone, but this game is going to be so awesome on Saturday.

Speaker 6 It's going to be great. Yeah.
And Underwood is coaching his dick off, too. I love him.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Booty ball.
Booty ball. He's doing it.
Coaching booty ball.

Speaker 6 Throwing his ass into him left and right, left and right. It's good.
It's good for the sport.

Speaker 6 I did not know why. Is it Otzelberger or Otzelberger?

Speaker 1 Otselberger.

Speaker 6 Otselberger wears the tight polo shirts.

Speaker 1 He's a Wisconsin guy. He's a wrestler, I think.

Speaker 6 So I looked it up, and he wears actually a schmedium. He wears a size between small and medium.
And the reason why he does it is to emphasize accountability to his team. I like that.

Speaker 6 That's what he says. It's the best coach talk ever.
So he says that the polo gives me a greater sense of self-discipline each day, that I wear the same size and opt for that.

Speaker 6 It helps me stay as disciplined and as accountable as I need to be our program wearing that shirt. So he wears it so that he can't put on weight.
I love it. Which is a smart move.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 And then if that size becomes too small for you, then you know that you fucked up and you weren't accountable.

Speaker 1 I do the exact opposite, and I only wear black sweatshirts. Yeah.
I'm being the least accountable I could be.

Speaker 6 I like that.

Speaker 1 In this situation. But yeah, great games.
I can't wait for tonight's games.

Speaker 1 Should we do some picks for tonight's game? Should we talk about it? Oh, Hank, what do you got in front of you? I got the Coors Light Ice Luge. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Glass Slipper.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there you go. That looks good.

Speaker 10 A PFTA Cometer idea come to life.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you pour the beer right in there.

Speaker 1 I remember that meeting.

Speaker 6 Yeah, you do a shoey out of it. Yeah.

Speaker 6 When your Cinderella moves on.

Speaker 1 You want to do a Shoey out of it? Yeah. Shooey.
Maybe we'll do it right before the Izzo interview. Let's do that.

Speaker 1 because it will be the it will be the last thing we do before we kick it to iszo uh i did one earlier uh very very cold turns out ice extremely cold yes the coldest whoa well is it the coldest is ice the coldest you can get no you can get colder than ice can you yeah cores light that's true it's a fact all right so let's do some picks

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Speaker 1 Okay. What do we like? Oh, shit, I don't have my phone.
I think I left it in the couch. Can you pass me my phone? I think it's...
I left it in the couch. You just look under one of those.

Speaker 1 Oh, I think it's under the cushion. The cushion.
Yep. There it is.
There's my phone. Can you pass me my phone, Hank? Here, I'll come.
I'll get my phone. All right.

Speaker 6 Oh, there you go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Here's my new phone.

Speaker 6 That's your normal phone that you've always had.

Speaker 1 I've always had this phone.

Speaker 6 Are you wearing lipstick?

Speaker 1 No, that's just the hue of my lips. Okay.
So, yeah. All right.
So let me look up on my normal phone.

Speaker 1 What is it for people who are listening? Oh, the people who are listening? It's a beautiful pink phone case.

Speaker 1 I've always been a case guy. I don't know.
I've always been a case guy. I've always been a pink case guy.
I think that this is the height of masculinity, and it screams.

Speaker 1 If I were to have to lead a locker room, I would.

Speaker 1 Would you guys feel like I'm leading this locker room right now? I don't know. Yeah, I I don't know if I can think of it.
I don't even think that's the right place. Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 It actually bought it.

Speaker 1 I bought the wrong one. I bought the wrong one.
Watch this. Now do I feel like

Speaker 1 I'm leading a locker room?

Speaker 6 No, it seems like it does. It seems like you're very Gen Z.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 I bought the wrong one. It doesn't fit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Anyway,

Speaker 1 I like the Gonzaga Purdue over. 154.5.

Speaker 1 Okay. I love, love, love.

Speaker 10 I gave Purdue as my Mega Max lock of the first round that hit easily, and

Speaker 10 it's been overtaken by Gonzaga Moneyline.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 10 I love, love, love, love.

Speaker 1 Feeling froggy? Love it.

Speaker 6 Feeling frogy. Froggy is very simple.
He sees a plus sign. He's like, I like that better.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's more money.

Speaker 1 I love. Froggy, but what? Why frog? You feeling froggy? I don't know.

Speaker 10 Yes. A little froggy.
I don't understand the reference, but.

Speaker 1 I don't either, but it feels sounds good, doesn't it? You feel a little froggy? Sure. Sure.
Why don't you leap?

Speaker 1 Okay. Done.
I love Tennessee. Love them.

Speaker 6 Love them. Minus two and a half.
Ooh. Give me Tennessee.
Give me the power of tea. Okay.
It's tea season.

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Speaker 1 Boys. So we have these games.
Wait, Hank, are you going to be Duke Hank?

Speaker 1 Very important question. Yeah.
You're going to go all in.

Speaker 10 I'll be in.

Speaker 1 Not all in.

Speaker 10 I don't have any gear. Yeah, I'm not all in.

Speaker 1 Do you have any gear?

Speaker 10 No, I told you.

Speaker 10 When I moved, I got rid of some clothes and I had one Duke sweatshirt and that didn't make the cut.

Speaker 6 Do you have anything from like Brooks Brothers?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, just wear like a collar.

Speaker 6 Wear a collared shirt and talk down to us. Any loafers?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I actually have a nice, I have a nice, super douchey

Speaker 10 white and blue pinstriped.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, you should do that. Perfect.

Speaker 6 And then make everybody want to punch you in the face. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Easy. Yeah.
Yeah. Very.

Speaker 1 Exists. Yeah.
Just walk in the room.

Speaker 1 Should we talk a little baseball? It is opening day. Let's talk ball.
We should talk a ball. Ball.
Ball seam heads.

Speaker 6 We get it.

Speaker 1 So we want to do some... We'll do our full baseball preview in the coming weeks, but we should probably give our picks for the World Series.
Also, I want to say

Speaker 1 I'm starting to think maybe Shohei Otani does have a gambling problem. I'm coming back to your side, Pia.

Speaker 6 Yeah, because have you thought more about the fact that when you do a wire transfer, somebody hits you up and says like, hey, you need to authorize this?

Speaker 1 I was really banking on the forensic accountants, and I still don't really understand what they do.

Speaker 1 And so, when I was thinking about it more, I was like, What if these forensic accountants don't figure it out?

Speaker 6 So, once the forensic accountants got involved, did you also consider the fact that, number one,

Speaker 6 you get a text notification or an email from the bank?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but he might show a

Speaker 1 he might be, like, have given this guy his fucking account. And then, two,

Speaker 6 have you thought about the fact that to get forensic accountants involved, you have to press charges against somebody.

Speaker 6 And as of at least yesterday afternoon, there's no record of any charges being pressed.

Speaker 1 I will say, though, I do think the MLB is just going to sweep it under the rug. Oh, of course they are.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's almost done. I'm telling you.
I think it might be done.

Speaker 6 They're going to reinstate Pete Rose. Yeah.
And they'll be like, under the new rules, Shohei did very little wrong.

Speaker 6 So we're going to, we're going to, under our new rules, Shohei is still eligible to play. We should do our first round of dingers-only draft.

Speaker 1 Just the first round?

Speaker 6 That's what we're going to do, right? Take one player. Was it one player a week?

Speaker 1 Ooh, I kind of like doing the whole draft at once.

Speaker 6 We talked about doing one player a week for the first nine weeks of the season.

Speaker 1 Hmm. I feel like that's going to be kind of like the dynasty recap that we did.

Speaker 6 Just get it over with all at once?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I think that's probably. People are going to be pissed about that.

Speaker 6 I think we got to just do it. One pick per show?

Speaker 1 No, I think we got to just do a dinger's only draft. Okay.
When the time comes. Fuck us.
We'll know it.

Speaker 6 It's going to take Shohei for it.

Speaker 1 We'll feel it when it happens. Like, we'll feel it being like, oh, shit, there's nothing else to talk about.
Dingers only time.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but baseball's back. Juan Soto, MVP, Yankees World Series.
That was a sick put out from Right Field that we had. That was great.

Speaker 1 Tyler O'Neill, who I didn't even know what team he played for.

Speaker 1 Our boss Dave texted me this morning. He said he's hit a home run four straight opening days.
He hit a home run for his fifth straight opening day. Pretty incredible.
Pretty nuts.

Speaker 1 So what do we got for World Series picks?

Speaker 10 I have a future that I put in draftings that I liked a lot. First-time World Series winner.

Speaker 10 So either the Rockies, Brewers, Padres, Mariners, or Rays.

Speaker 1 So that's the Rockies.

Speaker 1 The Rockies lost by 16.

Speaker 8 Dyingbacks had a 14-run in a game.

Speaker 1 14 runs. Yeah, so Rockies are out.

Speaker 6 The Rockies have a pitcher who's, I think his ERA is 168 right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, who else? Brewers. Out.

Speaker 10 Pods.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Pods.
Okay. It's going to be the Pods.
Who else?

Speaker 10 Mariners.

Speaker 1 Maybe. Yeah, they get bad luck.

Speaker 10 Rays.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 It's pods and rays. Okay.

Speaker 1 Pods and Rays and maybe Mariners.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 10 Great sports sound.

Speaker 1 All right, so my World Series pick is: I'm going to have.

Speaker 1 I won't pick the Cubs because

Speaker 1 they're already 0-1, so they might just stink.

Speaker 6 They got a hold of climb out of.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say I'm going to take the Orioles over the Dodgers.

Speaker 6 Okay, you took half mine.

Speaker 1 I've been on the Orioles for the last three years, and I'm just going to stay on the Orioles.

Speaker 6 You took half mine. They've got good vibes for the Orioles this year.
Oh, yeah. New owner.

Speaker 1 By the way, and the old owner died.

Speaker 6 That's true.

Speaker 6 Did you know that their new owner owns the Magna Carta? I was watching the game today, and they had the owner up in the box. They were interviewing him during the game.

Speaker 6 This dude bought the Magna Carta.

Speaker 1 Can you explain to Hank what the Magna Carta is for everyone? Yeah, sure. Hank doesn't understand.

Speaker 6 So the Magna Carta is a document that was signed in England that limits the power of the king. So it was like...

Speaker 6 Yeah, we still have a king, but he's not controlling everybody anymore.

Speaker 10 That was a Declaration of Independence.

Speaker 6 So the owner said the Declaration of the Constitution was based off the Magna Carta. So this is like the OG Declaration of Independence.

Speaker 1 I'd rather have the Declaration of Independence, Nicholas Cage style.

Speaker 6 Yeah, this dude, this dude is actually national treasure.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But yeah.
Why do you own that? Does he? I don't know. That's like a very rich Ravel.

Speaker 6 He's a very, yeah, very rich person who owns everything else. And he's like, you know what? I need the Magna Carta.

Speaker 1 That feels like something that should be in a museum.

Speaker 6 It should. Now you sound like Indiana Jones, but yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 It's a Jay-Z song, too. I don't know

Speaker 10 who was first.

Speaker 1 Jay-Z might be on the hot seat.

Speaker 6 Next up, Holy Grail. Get both of them?

Speaker 10 No, that's the name of the song. What? Magna Carta, Holy Grail.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 6 Yeah. That's crazy that I just accidentally said that and didn't actually know it.

Speaker 1 Damn, Pete. He don't make him feel dumb.

Speaker 6 It's wild. Sorry, Hank.
But yeah.

Speaker 6 This motherfucker bought the Magna Carta. Anyways, my pick is the Orioles, and then I'm going to go.

Speaker 1 You can, I already took him.

Speaker 1 I wanted the Orioles. I already took them.

Speaker 6 You told Hank to go first, and then you went out of nowhere.

Speaker 6 That's the pattern of this show: is Hank gives his pick, and then I give mine.

Speaker 1 Sorry, so you picked someone else besides the Orioles.

Speaker 6 I have the Baltimore Orioles. Nope.
And then I have

Speaker 6 the Atlanta Braves.

Speaker 1 You got to pick someone else besides the Orioles. You can do Rangers again.

Speaker 6 No. You had the Rangers last year.
No.

Speaker 1 I've had the Orioles for three straight years.

Speaker 6 I have the Orioles.

Speaker 1 No, that doesn't count. Why not? Find someone else in the AL.

Speaker 6 Can I get a backup on this? We usually have to.

Speaker 1 Hank. No, but we got to have as many.

Speaker 6 You jumped the gun. It is true.

Speaker 1 But Hank hasn't given

Speaker 1 I did. I gave four.
No, you have to give an actual pick. You just said a bet you made.

Speaker 10 All right, pods.

Speaker 1 Over?

Speaker 6 Rays.

Speaker 6 You should have said Ori.

Speaker 1 You had a perfect spot there. God damn it.
Do it again, Hank.

Speaker 10 Pods. Over?

Speaker 1 Red Sox. No, you idiots.

Speaker 1 Max, what's your pick?

Speaker 9 Phillies over Orioles.

Speaker 1 Okay, Max has the Orioles. All right, fine.
Max has the Orioles. Jake, what's your pick?

Speaker 12 Yankees over Braves.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. I'll go Rangers over Dodgers.
All right. All right.

Speaker 6 I got the Orioles over.

Speaker 1 No, you can. Max has the Orioles now.
I got the Orioles over Braves. Come on.
Respect it. We all have got different teams now.
I gave up the Orioles. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 6 I'm going to go with the

Speaker 6 Yankees losing.

Speaker 1 Nope.

Speaker 1 Jake has the Yankees. Oh, he can do that.
Oh, yeah. Losing, losing, losing.
Okay, I have the Orioles losing to the Braves. Got it.
No, he has the Orioles losing. He has Phillies over Orioles.

Speaker 10 Yeah, you can have Orioles winning.

Speaker 1 Even though you can't have him losing either.

Speaker 9 Yeah, you can't have him losing.

Speaker 1 You can't have the Orioles.

Speaker 6 Okay, I have a strike. I think there's going to be a strike and nobody's going to win.
How about that? No World Series vacated.

Speaker 1 I want the Orioles to win now so bad so that Max can get credit for it, even though he has him losing in the World Series. All credit to Max.

Speaker 6 That would actually rock if the Orioles won the World Series over the Phillies. And Max had them losing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh. God damn it.
I might do an exact future. Orioles over Phillies.

Speaker 1 Imagine that. This would be a great clip.
All right, what else? Anything else going on in the sports world before we watch Hank try to drink out of this?

Speaker 6 Yeah, in Major League Baseball, Big Cat and I have decided to fade the athletics every single game. Yep.
So we're putting a unit on the athletics.

Speaker 6 Every time they play 162 times a year, we're betting against them. Wake up, bet against the athletics, sleep, profit, repeat.
That's the strategy.

Speaker 1 Minus one and a half.

Speaker 6 Minus one and a half every single game. They might be favored.
They were favored for three games last year. They went one and two in those games, which is, it's so sad to say that out loud.

Speaker 6 Plus 120 tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Plus 120 tomorrow.

Speaker 6 So it hit in day one, so we're up on the air.

Speaker 6 We hate John Fisher. Fuck John Fisher.
This guy's a piece of shit, and he's ruined the team. He's made them unwatchable as a big fuck you to the Oakland fans.

Speaker 6 He's trying to move the team to Las Vegas. Vegas doesn't even really want them that bad.
Nope. So he's a real piece of shit.
He's my new Dan Snyder. I want that guy gone.

Speaker 6 And if you happen to be a listener in Las Vegas, there is an act right now.

Speaker 6 It's called a bill that I think they're putting forward called the Schools Over Stadiums Alliance, which is basically the billionaires should pay for their own fucking stadium act. I like this.

Speaker 6 To try to not give him the $380 million.

Speaker 6 I don't know anything about Las Vegas politics or what else is in the bill, but I will endorse voting against giving John Fisher the $380 million act.

Speaker 10 I mean, getting $380 in Vegas can't be hard.

Speaker 6 You don't think so? No. I think...

Speaker 1 Bruno Mars is probably tough, right? Oh, no, he got 50, right?

Speaker 6 All he needs to do is go to the Tunnel of Chaos. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dana White's got him hooked up in no time. Oh, did you see Sage Steel call him Joe Rogan? Yeah, so we should be tough.

Speaker 6 For every interview that we have from now on, we should just open it up with what's Joe Rogan's dream.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what's Joe Rogan's dream?

Speaker 1 My skin crawled. Because we've made mistakes as interviewers, but I don't think we've ever done that.

Speaker 6 I don't think we've ever accidentally interviewed the wrong person have we no oh that one time the guy called up pretending to be mike leech yep and also uh dr james andrews we got completely bamboozled i thought it was the the surgeon i didn't know it was a professor have we ever done that

Speaker 10 i did remember i told i asked rich eisen college basketball player or something

Speaker 8 randy moss I think Buber and Geo.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they did that, but they kind of

Speaker 1 feel like they did that as a bit.

Speaker 9 I mean, what about what Rich Eisen did this week?

Speaker 1 Oh, Rich Eisen was, that was fucked up. He went after DJ Burns.
What did he say? He's like, when did you put on all the weight? Oh, my God. And he was like, excuse me, sir?

Speaker 6 Because he's so polite.

Speaker 1 Like, do you think that we didn't want to ask DJ Burns that? But I would never ask a guy that because I love DJ Burns.

Speaker 6 DJ Burns is awesome. The vending machine.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I want him to win. By the way, we signed an NIL deal with DJ Burns.
Yeah, sure.

Speaker 9 Awesome shirt. In the store now.

Speaker 1 In the store now. And Jack Golke, who is here, he watched the games with us on Thursday night.
We're going to do a PMT challenge video, which we got to figure out what we're going to do.

Speaker 6 I think I've got an idea for it. Okay.

Speaker 1 Want to throw it out there?

Speaker 6 Well, Hank told me no.

Speaker 1 Oh. Why'd Hank tell me no?

Speaker 10 No, throw it out there.

Speaker 1 Okay, I thought you had to do it. Probably because you tried to steal the Orioles.

Speaker 6 We're going to play golf with him.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 What's the idea?

Speaker 6 So the idea. Well, Hank doesn't want me to say it.

Speaker 10 No, I want you to say it.

Speaker 1 Well, we're going to make the video anyway, so we might as well get everyone excited about the video.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 I think having me, you, and Hank shooting threes on one basket all at the same time while he shoots one person on the other basket.

Speaker 6 Maybe we could get everybody else involved, too, all of us against Golki.

Speaker 1 We're going to have a hard time tracking the balls.

Speaker 1 But I'm down.

Speaker 6 Have to have one guy under the hoop.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think maybe an easier way to do that would be.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think maybe we do that, but maybe it's like he goes first and he gets a minute, see how many he makes, then we go. So it's a little more, it's less chaotic.

Speaker 1 We can have people rebounding.

Speaker 6 Also, so that we can watch Golki just get wet from the bottom.

Speaker 1 Right. I want to see him shoot.

Speaker 6 I want to see how wet the man can be.

Speaker 1 He also says that we need to have, he needs to have a closeout, so we should also just do a video of us closing out on him. Yeah.
Seeing how many he can hit in our eyes.

Speaker 6 And his face.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Either way, we're going to make a great video.
All right, Hank, you want to try it? Yeah. All right.
Here we go. Hank, Hank, Hank, Hank, Hank, Hank, Hank, Hank.

Speaker 1 Also, sorry to Michigan State fans. We didn't realize that you all are trying to get Tom Izzo to wear a suit again.

Speaker 1 If we had known, we would have asked him, but I talked to someone in Michigan State afterwards, and Tom is said, why would I wear a suit? I can dress comfortably.

Speaker 1 Oh, Hank. Oh.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's cold. Nice wood.

Speaker 6 What was that? An eighth of a beer?

Speaker 10 Well, it doesn't take a full beer, but.

Speaker 6 If you hold it sideways. Wait, Max.
Max has you.

Speaker 1 He's got you coming.

Speaker 1 Let a real man do this.

Speaker 1 Let a real man come in.

Speaker 6 No, he's going to hold it for you.

Speaker 1 Oh, you almost ate shit.

Speaker 1 Come on, Max. You hold it up.
You hold it up. We'll pour it.
And he's going to to pour it. Oh, there we go.
Let's not stand in front of the camera. Don't stand in front of the camera.
Max.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's so cold. Yeah, I told you.
Hold on, Hank.

Speaker 10 No, the ice is cold.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Your hands?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God, Hank. This is now.
Sounds like a five-year-old. You're making a mess of this.

Speaker 1 Oh, Jesus, Hank.

Speaker 6 The ice is so cold.

Speaker 1 Oh, the ice is cold.

Speaker 6 Max, the ice is cold on my little whips.

Speaker 6 My whips are freezing. He's sucking it down.

Speaker 1 Way to go, Hank. Good job.
All right.

Speaker 10 That was not my best offer.

Speaker 1 Let's kick it to ourselves with Tom Izzo. Awesome, awesome interview with Tom Izzo.
And we will do a full baseball preview.

Speaker 1 Maybe we'll have our friend Jared Karabas or someone else come on, talk to us about baseball. We have to get Jeff Passon on.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Open invite.

Speaker 1 I like listening to him.

Speaker 6 Or Kirkchen. I just love hearing Kirkchin's voice.

Speaker 1 Jeff Passon, come on, pardon my take. We'd love to have you on.
All right. Let's kick it to ourselves in Tom Izzo.
Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 Okay, here he is, Coach Tom Izzo.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. He is Hall of Fame basketball coach Michigan State.
It is Tom Izzo.

Speaker 1 Coach, thank you so much for joining us. We got a million questions.
You have been someone on our list that we've wanted to have on the show for a very long time.

Speaker 1 I guess I'll start here because it is tournament time.

Speaker 1 You guys obviously, you know, bounced last weekend, but had, you know, you have tons of success in the tournament.

Speaker 1 So I wanted to start with what is it about the tournament that is so different than the regular season from a coaching perspective that has given you all the success you've had in your career?

Speaker 7 You know, guys, that's a million-dollar question. I don't know why I've had success.
I've had success because of good players.

Speaker 7 I've had success because when we started this whole thing out many, many years ago with Mateen Cleves and Morris Peterson's and Jason Richard, you know, that five-year stretch, you know, they were like you guys when you started your show, you know, everybody's all in, you're this and that.

Speaker 7 And I've been lucky here. I got alums like Magic Johnson and Greg Kelser.
I got

Speaker 7 guys like the Vincent brothers. I got guys like Steve Smith, who Sean Respert.
Those guys.

Speaker 7 kind of caught fire with our group right away. And we started having reunions every year.
And those reunions brought excitement. And what they did is, you know, Magic was about winning championships.

Speaker 7 Cleves was about winning championships. You know, Draymont, you know, winning championships.
And it just kind of grew.

Speaker 7 And so now when March comes, I mean, most people think I do nothing until March and then I coach a little bit in March. This year I did a lot before March and I did nothing in March.
But I think that

Speaker 7 what you do is you realize it's one and done. and when those players call back to our current players and say, you know what month it is, it's March, you know, and it matters.

Speaker 7 And there's no my bads anymore, and there's no mistakes. So I get a help from a lot of my great alums, and I probably get too much credit for what I do.

Speaker 7 They deserve the credit for what they do and what they did when they were here.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's January, February, Izzo. You've heard that nickname before.
Don't you wish it was January, February, March Izzo?

Speaker 7 Yeah, you know what? I like that better. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I think I'm going to try to reinvent that, but I better get off my dead butt and get it done because,

Speaker 7 you know, I would rather be playing in April. But,

Speaker 7 you know, we've had some good runs. We've had some

Speaker 7 highs and lows. But through it all, I think

Speaker 7 around here, it's important to everybody. Our fans and our alums, great.
That's normal. That's everywhere.

Speaker 7 But our former players, I think, separates us, makes it special the way they call back i mean irvin called when we were playing um

Speaker 7 against a north carolina you know he i got the pool ready for you guys to come out here we're all set you know just win this game and and and i relay those things or sometimes they'll face time i will do it in a meeting room it's pretty cool and it's one of the things that staying at the same place for a long time and having some of those great players but the players do deserve the credit guys i i don't say that humbly I say that honestly.

Speaker 1 But okay, so you are being humble, and I appreciate your humbleness, but in terms of the tournament and the coaching X's and O's, there are definitely coaches that are able to get the most out of their team come this time of year, and some that fall short.

Speaker 1 You've always been a most out of your team guy.

Speaker 1 The quick turnaround, that's always what I'm curious about.

Speaker 1 When you have to play a Thursday, then a Saturday, and you're scouting a team that you've never seen before, and they play in a different conference.

Speaker 1 What is it that you do that's so different that has been able to put your team in these situations where they've had success?

Speaker 1 Because that, I think, is a very difficult, unique aspect of March Madness, having to scout a team in 24 hours and be like, all right, we got to roll out and play.

Speaker 7 I will say that that's pretty good of you guys.

Speaker 7 That is one thing we have done pretty well here. And the reason we've done it pretty well is my first year in the tournament.
We played Eastern Michigan in my first tournament.

Speaker 7 I think Mateen Cleves and Peterson, those guys that won it, were sophomores. I had a good staff, Tom Crane, Brian Gregory, Stan Heath.
Stan's been in the pros.

Speaker 7 You know, those other two guys have coached at major colleges. And we sat down and said, oh my God, if we beat Eastern,

Speaker 7 you know, it was just, let's win a game. That's all we want to do is win a game.
Then I learned the Mike Shyszewski rule, you got to win the weekend.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And once you got to win the weekend, because the game isn't good enough anymore, nobody cares if you win one game. Then you got to start preparing ahead of time for the weekend.

Speaker 7 And what we did that weekend is we went from playing Eastern Michigan to Princeton. And Princeton was really good.
And they ran all that backdoor stuff. And it was a hard prep.

Speaker 7 And we said, how are we going to get this through to our guys? So we took these 20-minute segments. And so we got home that night at one o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 7 I said, we're going to watch 20 minutes of film so that they go to bed dreaming about Princeton. We got up in the morning, we had breakfast.

Speaker 7 We had like 15 minutes before breakfast, breakfast 15 minutes after. And we'd have a walkthrough.
We'd have 15 minutes of walkthrough. Then we'd have lunch.

Speaker 7 Then another, you know, so I try to divide it up, knowing that the tension span, especially in this pressure-packed time.

Speaker 7 And I think of all the things we've done, the Princeton game helped kind of my philosophy, our philosophy. And so now we stole something from Mike and Duke.

Speaker 7 Any weekend we go, we try to win the weekend, which means I got a couple of assistants working on the other two teams that we could play and we might not even get there. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 The thing is, in this

Speaker 7 15, 20 minute segments, I think has really helped us.

Speaker 6 So, yeah, you mentioned Coach K. I know that you guys are pretty close.
Do you guys, do you share everything with each other?

Speaker 6 Are there things where you want to keep some things to yourself and not let the other guy know?

Speaker 7 Man, you know, Mike, he didn't share anything with me. I stole what I got.
I just, I heard him say it one time and stole it, but he's done such a great job.

Speaker 7 And I look at guys like Nick Saban, you know, who I started with here. And I pick coaches in different professions that

Speaker 7 I do admire, that I do respect, because what we're all trying to be is consistent. Unfortunately, during the regular season this year, guys, we were consistently inconsistent.

Speaker 7 But what you look for over my career, I think we've been pretty consistent.

Speaker 7 I just thought when I heard that from Mike,

Speaker 7 you know,

Speaker 7 we got to win the weekend.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 1 It made sense.

Speaker 7 Because after we won our first,

Speaker 7 once we got through that first weekend, that first year, when North Carolina beat us in the Sweet 16,

Speaker 7 you know, after that, it was went to a Final Four, and then we won the national champion. Nobody cared if you won a game in the tournament.
All anybody cared is, did you advance?

Speaker 7 So that's win the weekend and prepare for the weekend. And some people would say, well, you're preparing for a team that you might play two games from now.

Speaker 7 You're not putting enough into the game you're playing. Well, we did,

Speaker 7 but we also prepared prepared for that next. And I think that's all you win the weekend.

Speaker 6 Who would you say would be the toughest types of teams to prepare for?

Speaker 7 Well, like a Princeton was very difficult to prepare for. Like if I was playing in this tournament now, Purdue would be a different, harder team to play for.
They got a monster in there.

Speaker 7 He's not even human. I mean, he's a guy, Zach is...
He's an incredible size, but he's a very good athlete in that.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 Matt Painter does such a good job of getting him the ball 9,000 different ways that it's a tough prep.

Speaker 7 A tough prep would be a team like Kentucky in the past when Petino was there and they're pressing the whole game. You know, now you don't run into many presses and all of a sudden it happened to us.

Speaker 7 Florida with Billy Donovan, we didn't run into hardly any teams that pressed.

Speaker 7 We play Wisconsin to like a 52-48 game, you know, because back then Dick Bennett, it was slowed down and that we had to play that style.

Speaker 7 And then everybody said, well, two days later, you're going to play Florida. And I said, great, we want to go up and down.
They pressed the whole game. We attacked it.

Speaker 7 You know, we beat them 89 to 70 or something, you know? So I think that was another key thing with our teams. We could be versatile.
We could play Smash Mouth. We could play racehorse.

Speaker 7 And I think the best teams I had could do both. And you need that when you get into tournament play and you don't know who you're going to be playing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I went to Wisconsin.
I'm a Badger. So

Speaker 1 I've not liked Michigan State for a very long time. Question for you.
Who do you think the player that you coached was most hated by other teams? Because I have an answer.

Speaker 1 I have a guy that I hated so much that every time I saw him on TV, my blood would boil.

Speaker 1 Who do you think that was for you?

Speaker 1 Who do you think most, like when you, when you came out into an opposing stadium, you're like, oh, man, they really hate this guy.

Speaker 7 Yeah, well, they didn't. treat Cleves very good in Madison, but I don't think they treated Draymont very good.
But that's because, you know, those were the better players.

Speaker 7 You know, I had a lot of players that got booed at a lot of places. So give me the answer.

Speaker 1 Okay. My answer is 1-1 so easy.
I hated, hated, hated Paul Davis. I hated that guy.
God damn it, did I hate that guy?

Speaker 7 You know, Paul was a funny guy because he wasn't, you know, the elitist of elite players like some of those other guys, but he had that knack around him, kind of like

Speaker 7 not as good, but kind of like the kid everybody hates from Duke.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Philipowski, yeah, yeah. Where it's just like something.

Speaker 1 Oh, back then. Yeah, yeah.
Leightner and J.J.

Speaker 7 Leitner, yes, Leightner. Very good.
Yeah. Well, you guys are on top of your stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I hated Paul Davis. And you're right.
It was more about the fact that he just always had a knack for like the big rebound or the big play. And it's like, God damn it, do I hate this guy?

Speaker 1 But it makes sports fun. The hate is fun.
That's what I love about it. You get these rivalries.

Speaker 7 We did have some great rivalries when Bo was there. And Bo did a great job, too.
And it was kind of really fun to both be in because, you know, you hate your rivalries, you hate them.

Speaker 7 And then what hate turns into when it goes long enough is total respect. Yeah.

Speaker 7 You know what I mean? It goes to total respect because, I mean, Bo was here his first trip here. I think he broke our 54-game home winning streak.
So all of our people hated Wisconsin.

Speaker 7 And then we both got so good. And then in 15, we were both in the final four.

Speaker 7 four and we found out when we got to the to Indianapolis we're both pulling for each other you know and and now I'm I'm friends with Bo.

Speaker 7 I called him when I went out to California, you know, because you respect people that challenge you every day if you're really good.

Speaker 7 That's what you need. And they do it the right way.
And Wisconsin, Greg Gard is a good friend. They've always done it the right way.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 You don't hate nobody. So you wouldn't hate somebody if they weren't a challenge for you, right?

Speaker 6 So it's like a sign of respect. And I think a little bit of hate is actually good in sports.

Speaker 6 Coach, I got a tough question to ask you because you've been known as being a fiery guy. You've been called the fifth angriest coach in college basketball.

Speaker 6 They did a poll, but you're also known as a teddy bear. I read an article about you recently that said that you were actually a teddy bear.
So are you a nice guy? Are you a teddy bear? Are you angry?

Speaker 7 You know,

Speaker 7 I'm an Italian guy that I wear my emotions on my sleeve.

Speaker 7 And if you looked at some of the antics on TV, it's just emotion, you know, and I don't always do it on purpose, but I can see where somebody would think I was angry.

Speaker 7 If you talk to most of my guys, the time I spend with them, how much I care about them, I think I'd be a double teddy bear, you know? But

Speaker 7 what I think the big key is nowadays that we're really all having trouble with.

Speaker 7 is how do you be demanding and tough enough to hold people accountable and yet caring and understanding enough to let them know that you care because nobody cares how much you know they know how much you care kind of theory, you know.

Speaker 7 And I think the only way you do that is spend time. So part of me doesn't care what most people outside think.
What I care about is the reunions that we have. Does everybody come back?

Speaker 7 Does everybody call in in March? Does all those things happen? If those things are happening,

Speaker 7 I think I've done it right. But I can see where people and people take things wrong, you know? I mean, if the guy makes makes the same mistake seven times, one of my guys,

Speaker 7 hey, Johnny, would you please do it right this time? You know, you wouldn't do that with your own kids. Yeah.
And sometimes I get accused of that, but I know this. I love my guys.

Speaker 7 I spent a lot of time with them. They've done a lot for me.
And I'm probably deserving of being angry sometimes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've always loved the specific part of your coaching career where if, you know, we live in a different day and age now.

Speaker 1 there'll be like a clip where tom is oh reams out a player tom is oh grabs a player and everyone will flip out and be like you can't coach like this and then almost immediately all of the guys that you coached will come to your defense and it's like this this is what this is who we should be listening to the guys that were with him and know his coaching style know who he is as a person and it's like shut shut the hell up like he's he's coaching a certain way so that has to make you feel great though when all your guys like always come to your defense almost immediately like draymond if you grab a player, Draymond be like, That's that guy and coach have a relationship that none of you can speak on.

Speaker 1 That has to feel great.

Speaker 7 Even Charles Barkley stuck up for me on one, you know, because I think you know, yeah, you can't grab players anymore. You can't,

Speaker 7 why, you know, I can hug them, right?

Speaker 7 Why can't I grab them if I if they made the same mistake nine times?

Speaker 7 If you think that any coach, Nick Saban, who was here with me, uh, if you think any coach that I guess Pat Riley, that that is more, you know, more volatile, John Thompson,

Speaker 7 that they just do that on one or two or three mistakes? You know, some of it they do it because I know where that kid wants to go. Right.

Speaker 7 He wants to win a championship and get to the NBA. And you know what? I do the same thing in school.
If he wants his degree and he's doing things that

Speaker 7 make that hard, I'm going to get on him there too. And what I think

Speaker 7 that I hope I say this right, I'm not phony. Yeah, what you see is what you get.
And they see it from the day they come here. So there's no surprises.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And by the way, it has been dialed back a lot because

Speaker 7 our society is so damn soft that, like you say, they look you.

Speaker 7 look at you get mad at a guy you could even look at him wrong and somebody's saying something nowadays yeah it's so stupid it's it's ridiculous It's crazy because you are with those guys all the time and your relationship.

Speaker 1 Like, if someone random grabs them, it's like, yeah, that's different. But it's like the relationship is there.
It's built on something.

Speaker 1 It's completely different than what we're watching in a two-second clip. So I've always had your back in those situations.
Always, always stunned me. Now,

Speaker 1 you love coaching rebounding, and your teams are always tough. Have you found that it's harder to instill tough, hard-nosed, like rebounding? Your war?

Speaker 1 Do you still do your wardrobe where you put them in pads football pads and helmets and just let them go rebound

Speaker 7 isn't that a great question mighty great question when my former guys come back i mean if you would have saw mateen cleves trying to buckle chin straps on guys that are 6'9 that never even knew how to put on a football helmet you would have laughed but let me tell you that story we go to ohio state First time all year, I think we had 28, 24 games in a row.

Speaker 7 We had won the rebound battle. We lose it.
A couple players go off on a couple other players in the locker room. That's not what we do here.

Speaker 7 And I said, Wow, nothing better than a player coach team, right, guys? So, yep, get back. I call Saban.
I said, Listen, I need 12 sets of football gear for practice tomorrow.

Speaker 1 He goes, Huh?

Speaker 7 I said, Can I get them? Yeah, sure. Call my equipment guy.
I get him.

Speaker 7 So, last 20 minutes of practice, we're going to do our little wardrobe. So, I said, since we're getting soft and we don't want to get anybody hurt, we'll put on football pads.

Speaker 7 That way, you can't get hurt. So, we did and i was mad i wanted it to be uh

Speaker 7 they had so much fun

Speaker 7 that it became all we talked about and then we talked about it for five years later and 10 years later and so now the guys will say coach bring out the football pads you know rebound is good you can't do that man i'd get sued nowadays i can't do that anymore so it's uh it's a shame you know that because those guys

Speaker 7 had a riot doing it Yeah. And nobody got hurt, of course, because you're in full pads, helmets.
It was,

Speaker 7 it was one of the great things you get to do. It was a memory-making moment.
And I'm afraid that our society is getting so screwed up, we don't have as many memory-making moments. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And there were some guys that copied me. There were some guys that called me, asked me what I do.
But those same guys call me now when we're not revoning as well. They say, Do you do that?

Speaker 7 I go, no, trying for other things.

Speaker 7 I don't want to get killed. You know, the sad part is

Speaker 7 back then, you know, of course, we videotaped every practice.

Speaker 7 Hell, I had to get rid of that video. I said

Speaker 7 somebody will sue me later on. So, and now when we have reunions, all the players want to see that.
That's all they want to talk about. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'd love to see that film. Yeah.
Sounds like a great time.

Speaker 6 I kind of want to do it. We should actually do that in the office.
Yeah, we should.

Speaker 9 Yeah. We should do that guys.

Speaker 7 We've got good helmets and shoulder pads.

Speaker 6 Yeah. So, so what's what explain the drill to us so that we can recreate it here?

Speaker 7 Yeah, there's, there's five guys that are right under the basket and five guys around the three-point line and a coach will throw it up and the two shall meet you know and they they

Speaker 7 find the ball and go rebound it you know

Speaker 7 i think guys if there's one thing that has been the hardest part of coaching now and i think you you're seeing this um well i give i give kelvin sampson who by the way he sat here i took his spot he was a ga for judd heathcote and kelvin is His teams are might be the toughest teams in college basketball right now.

Speaker 7 I don't know, you know, he's at Houston, so maybe he's just coming on the scene. Um, I don't know what he does every day, but it's hard to make teams tougher because our society is so soft, you know.

Speaker 7 And you say, Well, that's barbaric.

Speaker 7 They used to say we were a football team on hardwood. I always took that as a compliment.
Yeah, that was a great compliment.

Speaker 7 But the game is getting more physical again because I think they're letting it go more. But players aren't necessarily more physical, except Houston.

Speaker 7 yeah they're the most physical team i think in uh in the tournament yeah yeah you you mentioned uh coach saban and how you guys spent time there together did you did you know when nick saban got there like this guy this guy is going to be great you know when nick came here as an assistant i came here as i said it was in 87 and um

Speaker 7 And Belichick came here a couple times to work the camp.

Speaker 7 And Nick's house was not far from mine. And,

Speaker 7 you know, listening to Belichick, you know, the one time I went over there and i knew nick was going to be something good and then he left to go to the houston oilers then he went to toledo and then he went back with belichek at cleveland and then i got the job here

Speaker 7 and then six months later nick got the head job here so we reunited and we were here five years together and uh did i ever think he'd be what he is no no is it incredible that what he's done it is incredible um you can talk about having good players.

Speaker 7 A lot of people have good players and don't get it done. He is, to me,

Speaker 7 one of the greatest coaches in any sport. And I mean that with respect, admiration, and knowledge.

Speaker 7 You know, I know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 7 And he was a, I mean, you talk about demanding.

Speaker 7 He probably did the opposite as I did. I put football pads on my guys to play.
He probably put his guys in jocks and t-shirts and said, now go tackle each other.

Speaker 7 He probably went the opposite. Yes, yes.

Speaker 6 Yeah, let's get you toughened up by just hitting each other. Yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah. I got a weird question, Coach.
Is there a date or maybe even a year that you can remember your voice the last time you had your voice fully and it wasn't hoarse?

Speaker 7 You know, that's another thing that we should talk about. You know,

Speaker 7 everybody thinks it's yelling at players, right? That's what everybody says. You're yelling at players.
The truth is, it's yelling at my wife. No, that's not the truth.

Speaker 7 But the real truth is

Speaker 7 usually when it gets in the season

Speaker 7 especially the tournament i don't sleep at all you know you don't sleep much why would you sleep you know it's for death you can you got a tournament to win yeah and when i don't sleep my voice goes i i swear to god it's it's not it's not yelling at players i mean it's i get blamed for so many things that aren't true now some of them are true, but

Speaker 7 it's not that at all. It's when I lose sleep or I don't sleep well.
Like even now, you don't sleep well. Now, how could you sleep well?

Speaker 7 You don't know who you got and who's in the portal and who you're paying and who's going on. But right now,

Speaker 7 it'll start coming back a little bit. I think I got a perpetual horse voice.
How's that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's an all you're a horse voice Hall of Famer. Like it just is.

Speaker 6 He's there. A few coaches up on that pedestal.
There's you, Doc Rivers. I would actually say Kelvin Sampson.
He's on that list too. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Doc Rivers. I work with Doc in the Goodwill games.

Speaker 7 I love Doc. He's great too.
So

Speaker 1 yeah, the Horse Voice Hall of Fame.

Speaker 6 So, Coach, what is it about Italians that you think makes great basketball coaches? Because there's a lot of them. Like the Big East has been filled with Italians for as long as I can remember.

Speaker 6 But even still to this day, we've got a lot of good Italian coaches.

Speaker 6 What is it about being an Italian that makes you a good basket or helps you, if you have the background knowledge, to be a great basketball coach?

Speaker 7 You know, the funny part of that is, as you know, most Italians are not gifted with height.

Speaker 7 So

Speaker 7 we should be better football coaches, you know, Kelloperry, Petino, you know, Raleigh Massimino, you know,

Speaker 7 we're all regular normal guys like I think you guys. But I don't know what it is.

Speaker 7 You know, I do think one thing that has helped me, and my father did it, but my grandfather did it, you know, when you were an immigrant like they were coming in.

Speaker 7 I mean, you were in a working man's world. You know, you just worked your way.
You didn't know anything else.

Speaker 7 My family were working in the mines or working here and there. And so I think work ethic helps you become successful in whatever you decide to do.

Speaker 7 And I think the Italian guys I know, their fathers or grandfathers, we're all in that. That doesn't mean other nationalities aren't either.
You just asked me a question.

Speaker 7 That's the only dumb answer I can come up with.

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Speaker 1 I got a question about one of your former players, Draymond Green, who has gone on to win four titles, been an incredible piece to what the Warriors Warriors have done their dynasty.

Speaker 1 How often do you talk to him, and are you ever like, hey, Draymond, maybe don't be as crazy? Like, because you obviously were able to keep him less crazy.

Speaker 1 I've always been of the approach that, Draymond, you need one of those guys on your team that plays on the edge, and that every now and then going over the edge is actually not a bad thing because it gives your team that little bit of shit to them that you need to win games.

Speaker 1 But are you ever, do you ever have a conversation with him? You're like, hey, listen, you're an unbelievable player, but yeah, maybe don't go after everyone all the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a lot of times.

Speaker 7 And I talked to Steve Kerr and I talked to Bob Meyer, the GM. And, you know,

Speaker 7 people like myself, in a way, I mean, anybody that is more

Speaker 7 passionate, sometimes we do go over the edge a little bit.

Speaker 7 But if you ask them, would they want to trade him?

Speaker 7 I don't think they'd ever want to trade him.

Speaker 7 He is one of the all-time, I mean, I am the luckiest human being on the planet. You know, I coached Mateen Cleves and I coached Draymont Green.

Speaker 7 And I did not coach, but he's from here and he's still around a lot in Magic Johnson. And there's a lot of great players, but I'm not sure there's as many great winners.

Speaker 7 Who can take average teams or good teams and be the difference in winning? You know, a lot of people make great plays. How many people make winning plays?

Speaker 7 Like Draymond's toss back to Steph and that illegal screen he kind of sometimes sets and moves a little bit. Those are winning plays and he didn't even take the shot.
Right.

Speaker 7 And I think that's what's not appreciated. The toughness, the rebounding, that he can guard a LeBron and he can guard a seven footer.
You know, Draymond is.

Speaker 7 Do I wish once in a while?

Speaker 7 Yeah, he probably wishes once in a while I wouldn't be like I am, you know, but

Speaker 7 would I trade him for the world? No. And by the way, I didn't keep him under wraps.
I just, I just, that was back in the day when huddles weren't filmed. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Because he was still as crazy in those huddles. It's just that nobody got to see him back then, you know.
But

Speaker 7 I absolutely love him. He's, he's a versatile player.
He is,

Speaker 7 you know, those guys that say they don't care. The only thing he cared about was rebounding.
And when he had nine, because he always wanted a double, he knew he had nine.

Speaker 7 And he'd come to the bench and in the huddle, he'd say, not one of you guys grab the next rebound. I'm getting it.
Just cut your guy out. I'm getting it.
We're in a free throw situation.

Speaker 7 I'm getting it.

Speaker 7 And I would sit there and say, is that selfish? Hell no. I loved it.
I thought that was absolutely awesome. And that's Draymont.
You know,

Speaker 7 He puts winning above scoring, even rebounding, assists, more than I think any player I've ever coached.

Speaker 7 You know, it was guys like him or Cleves, they'd come into the locker room, never look at the stat sheet. They just look at the W or the L.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 And people can say that, and not a lot of people that do it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, everyone cares, which is nice. Like, you do want a person that cares that deeply about winning on your team.

Speaker 6 I think it was John Thompson, big John Thompson said at one point, like, one guy like that. on your team, you can win a championship.
Two guys like that, you might get fired.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you know, and I mean, mean, I'm not saying there's times I don't call him and say, Greg,

Speaker 7 what are we doing? You know, and once in a while, he'll even agree with me. Not very often, but once in a while.
But,

Speaker 7 you know, I really,

Speaker 7 I don't think, as good as Steph and Clay and all the other guys, I don't think they would have won the championships without him.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 7 He just does all the little dirty work that makes a difference in the end. And

Speaker 7 for that,

Speaker 7 I know one thing, if you had eligibility left, I take him back. I deal with, you know, there's always going to be an issue or two.

Speaker 7 And do I wish, like, do I wish last night he wouldn't have got thrown out of the game? Yeah, I wish he wouldn't have got thrown out of the game.

Speaker 7 But I don't know everything that happened in the game either.

Speaker 7 There were some things back in the day that happened with LeBron and that I'm not sure were all Draymond's fault either, you know, but you get an image.

Speaker 7 It's like being the fifth angriest guy or whatever you call him. Right.
You get an image and then it precedes you. And that's that's not always right either.

Speaker 1 I also think Draymond, like some nights, he's just like, I want to hit the showers early. That felt like one of those nights.
He's like, I'm done. You know what? You know what?

Speaker 7 I haven't done any of this with you guys yet. I disagree with you.
I have not known many nights and he doesn't want to play all 48.

Speaker 7 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Last night was like four minutes. He was like, I'm done.
So I would agree with you most of the time. But last night, I was like, he really just wants to go home.

Speaker 6 My theory is that he wants to, sometimes he wants things to talk about on his podcast.

Speaker 6 So he'll do stuff on the game, and then he'll be like, people are going to definitely listen to my podcast tomorrow if I'm talking about getting kicked out. Yeah.

Speaker 6 It definitely is. He's a smart guy.

Speaker 7 He's a business right. I hope not, but you might be right.

Speaker 1 So, so, and yeah, I am a big Draymond fan.

Speaker 1 I think his basketball IQ is so off the charts that people don't realize what he's able to do without actually like the spacing and defensively being like a coach.

Speaker 1 Who else, though, have you coached that you would say is underrated that people don't fully realize how talented he was, whether it be actual stats or on the floor being a general for you.

Speaker 7 Well, Cleves was the best I had. I mean, because he,

Speaker 7 you know,

Speaker 7 Irvin Magic said this, great players play great, but elite players make other players play great. And that is the true mark of an elite player to me.

Speaker 7 Who can make other people around them better than they actually are? Cleves was phenomenal at that. He was very good at that.
I mean, Draymont, when he was here, did some of that.

Speaker 7 I had a kid named Valentine who was pretty good at that. Believe it or not, in a whole different way, a whole different guy, Cassius Winston.
I mean, he wouldn't even take a shot for a half.

Speaker 7 He'd just be making everybody else better. And then I say,

Speaker 7 okay, can we win the game now? You know, can you make some shots? Yeah. Did it at a very high level and yet wasn't the gifted athlete.
He wasn't 6'5. He, you know, maybe underappreciated.

Speaker 7 And then, you you know, even a guy like Jason Richardson, believe it or not, who had this gifted athleticism that

Speaker 7 he was a very humble and very

Speaker 7 caring guy that, I mean, he didn't start his freshman year. And that's like un-American not to start a guy that was that good.

Speaker 7 But it was because of the team we had. And Zach Randolph went through the same thing.
And, you know, everybody said this and that about Zach. I absolutely loved having Zach.
I mean,

Speaker 7 he was really good and a really good teammate. And, you know, that's maybe, guys, what we don't judge people on enough.

Speaker 7 How hard they play, what they do to make others better, and what kind of teammate are they?

Speaker 7 I would promise you, and I don't know, I don't, I'm not with the organization, but I'm betting that he's an very much an incredible teammate.

Speaker 7 You know, he's an incredible teammate that's making a name for himself, Jaron Jackson. Just an incredible teammate and good guy and a very good player.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Coach, your relationship with the media has been kind of interesting over the years. On this show, I think it was back in 2016.

Speaker 6 We said at some point the media is going to turn a little bit on Tom Izzo. And, you know, the media, it's like a big cycle.
It's like a pendulum that swings back and forth.

Speaker 6 At some point, you're like, okay, this coach is underrated. And then once you start winning enough, if you haven't won enough recently, they say Tom Izzo is overrated.

Speaker 6 Now you might be back to being underrated again. So, can you judge yourself? Are you overrated or underrated as a head coach?

Speaker 7 Well, I think you're always overrated because whether we like it or not, and again, you can say humility, it's not humility.

Speaker 7 Um, players play the game, you know, players play the game, and and you gotta have good players and you gotta have a good culture.

Speaker 7 And so, if I was overrated and if I was underrated in something, maybe people don't look at the culture you develop, and that takes years.

Speaker 7 And the culture is what what is good but like i haven't been happy i wasn't happy with our performance i said right out we were we underachieved this year and i i said why you know and i can i can name you seven games that we either led or we're right down to the wire on and we lost and usually you win some of those this year we didn't we lost them if you win if you win half of them you you win 24 games and you're a four seed and everybody's happy you know but really your team's no better because you only won by a couple of points and uh

Speaker 7 so you know i i think i have a good relationship with the media guys most of the time and i'll tell you why it was my old boss judd heathcote and uh

Speaker 7 with coach magic and and i was a ga on his staff and it's my second year here

Speaker 7 they were talking about firing judd and uh

Speaker 7 So I'm reading these articles. That's when I read the paper.
I don't do that anymore, but I'm reading these articles. They're talking about firing him.
And once a week, we had open for the media.

Speaker 7 and so the media came watched practice and after practice judge telling his dirty jokes to him you know like he always did he's got his arm around two guys and he's walking across and i'm ticked off i said

Speaker 7 coach that guy just ripped you today once you fired and i said what are you doing you know and my

Speaker 7 dumb ass from the UP, I didn't know, you know, what was going on. And

Speaker 7 he said, I'm going to tell you something if you want to survive in this profession.

Speaker 7 everybody's got

Speaker 7 mouse to feed and everybody's got a boss to please. He said, those guys do too.

Speaker 7 Some of them are good guys that just have to do what they have to do because that's the way it is. And so I've always appreciated that.

Speaker 7 If I don't like something somebody says, most of the time I'll call them and say, hey, you're off base on this. Here's why.
They might tell me why they think.

Speaker 7 What's getting harder, guys, is with Twitter. I mean, let's face it, everybody's attacking you or anybody in the media.
You know, they're attacking them on what they should think and say.

Speaker 7 And then those guys give in to it and then they go to us. You know,

Speaker 7 I have practic open once a week, too. I kept a tradition because I thought that way the media could see.
You know, I don't hide nothing. I never closed my locker room ever, ever, never.

Speaker 7 So I think they appreciate that, but I appreciate them.

Speaker 7 I just wish that somehow they could understand what's going on each and every day now, because the world has changed a little bit in the last three years. In fact, quite a bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Your perspective.

Speaker 6 And you're talking a little bit about like the NIL era and the portal era of college basketball. Are you going to be at the portal this offseason?

Speaker 7 I might. I might.
You know, my wife tried to go in it and

Speaker 7 she realized the buyout would have been too high, so she didn't jump it. But,

Speaker 7 you know, I mean, it is what it is. I mean, you know what, I've had feelings about it that

Speaker 7 I don't like it.

Speaker 7 I've said it, especially the,

Speaker 7 especially the portal and

Speaker 7 the reasons why.

Speaker 7 And yet,

Speaker 7 you know what? Went in Rome, do like the Romans. You know,

Speaker 7 we don't have a choice.

Speaker 7 We play with the cards we're dealt. And I've said this on many of shows, and I've said it many a times.
And I won't say a lot about it because it always gets me in trouble, but I will say this.

Speaker 7 At the end of the day, the majority of kids, players, I think are going to lose out.

Speaker 7 Now, there'll be a few that it works out for, but the majority, I mean, we're going to have over 2,000 in the portal right now.

Speaker 7 And guys are now doing it two and three and even four times.

Speaker 7 Where are they going to have to go back to later on?

Speaker 7 You love Wisconsin. Would you love Wisconsin if you went to Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan State, and Northwestern? Right.

Speaker 7 Would you love Wisconsin?

Speaker 7 I don't know. You know, that's yet to be seen.
But I honestly believe that

Speaker 7 I think a lot of players are going to make bad decisions and not learn how to fight through sometimes.

Speaker 7 I mean, if I told you how many guys would have left here after one year in my career, I'd have to count them on.

Speaker 7 27 hands.

Speaker 7 Right. And it's just part of the deal.
And now those same guys are my biggest advocates, you know, and had the most fun. So there's always a time to transfer, guys.
Every place isn't for everybody.

Speaker 7 But the way we've made it so easy, I think is going to be detrimental to the player more than it is the coach. And coaches are going to lose their jobs.
I mean, but that's okay.

Speaker 7 Cause as some people say, we make a lot of money

Speaker 7 and we do.

Speaker 7 But we have a lot of responsibility and work a lot of hours too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm hoping as a die-hard fan of college sports that it's kind of a pendulum swing that, you know for the longest time the transfer rules were like bad they were bad where kids had to sit out a year and like you could like they were too restrictive then the pendulum is swung where it's too you know there's a little too much for you have to sit out a year yeah

Speaker 7 um

Speaker 7 for remember now one percent are going to the nba or nfl right did you hear me one percent That means 99% of the kids need their degrees.

Speaker 7 So it is a shame that we're punishing a guy by making him go to school a year and sit out and maybe get stronger, maybe get better, maybe get smarter, maybe get ahead academically.

Speaker 7 And maybe when he's done with four years, he actually graduates. Because 90 in basketball, I think it's 96%

Speaker 7 are never going to play again. You know, there's 4% in basketball.
They can play in Europe and G-League and Canada.

Speaker 7 Football, I guess now there's a new league. So maybe they'll get an up 2% of play, but most of those kids are never going to play again.

Speaker 7 And are we really punishing them by telling them they got to sit out and get better and get smarter and get their academics on track? And

Speaker 7 I know some guys that sat out for me, I had a kid, Morris Peterson, that would have never been a pro, yeah, if it wasn't for the fifth year.

Speaker 7 So I understand, you know, the modern day, I agree with you, but there's unintended consequences to a lot of these things. And I'm going to do what they said.
I'm done. bitching about it.

Speaker 7 I'm just going to do my job. But I'm just telling you, the majority of kids aren't going to have a place to go to.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 They transferred three and four times.

Speaker 1 And we agree because I actually think the pendulum swung too far, where it's now too easy, and guys are, you know, the

Speaker 1 first moment of hardship, they're like, I'm out.

Speaker 1 I'm hoping that we'll find a balance somewhere in the next few years where it will kind of level back to a spot where people can have the freedom of movement, but there's also a lot more guys staying, sticking it out.

Speaker 1 And it's better for the school. It's better for the fans.
It's better for the player. Like, I do think that there is that middle ground that we hopefully will find.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Like I think if a coach leaves, you know, that a player should be able to.
I mean, you know, you like to say they go for this school, but, you know, I understand that part. And yet

Speaker 7 don't think like some people that coaches can just leave when they want either. I mean, I've had my times.

Speaker 7 when I was offered jobs that it would have cost me seven, eight million dollars to buy out, you know? So, I mean, it's, it's kind of, I don't know.

Speaker 7 And, you know, I struggle with that too when people say well coach can they well

Speaker 7 like i put in 40 years here right should you be able to do something different than somebody that just started it yesterday i mean to me you should but yeah but i ain't arguing it no more guys i lost that battle that train has left and yeah you're adapting my job yeah you're adapting all right so coach this has been awesome i have one last question All protein bars generally taste the same, but not one bars.

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Speaker 1 Talking about this tournament, I know we're going to run this tomorrow, so four of the Sweet 16 games have already been played. But from your perspective, you played a lot of these teams.

Speaker 1 You've obviously played Purdue a bunch.

Speaker 1 I think you played Alabama last year. You played Arizona this year, Duke this year.
Like, who do you think

Speaker 1 is the team that you're looking at and you're like, this team has everything, and they're playing the ball that will get them to the Final Four and to cut the Nets down?

Speaker 7 Well, we just played North Carolina, too, and I was impressed with some of the pieces they have.

Speaker 7 And I don't want to be prejudiced to Purdue since they're in the league, but when you got a center and that Smith kid has really played well, and then they got shooters like Lawyer and Gillis has become a very good shooter.

Speaker 7 I have not seen Houston in person. I know Kelvin, and I know

Speaker 7 I've seen some of their personnel. And anybody that's as tough as that, I think has a chance.
We played Arizona early. We played Duke early.

Speaker 7 We played, you know, Illinois is another team that has actually come on. Yeah.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 7 I think Purdue has the best chance because of what happened to him last year. They've got the best rallying point and they've got a player of the year.

Speaker 7 And to deal with him on a second day is hard. It'll be interesting to see how they do, whether they play tonight or tomorrow night.
I guess it is. They got Gonzaga tomorrow night, I think.
Yep.

Speaker 7 But, you know, I think if I looked at four or five teams, Carolina's got to be one of them.

Speaker 7 Arizona's got to be. Purdue's got to be.
It sounds like it's just the one seeds.

Speaker 1 Who would be? And UConn. UConn's just been rolling.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 UConn, right now,

Speaker 7 from what I've seen, is the best overall team. And it'll be a hell of a battle if it's them and Purdue.
And then you take a Houston.

Speaker 7 I mean,

Speaker 7 they can beat you different ways. They can score a lot of points, or they could beat you 39, 35.
I swear they can. I mean, they can tighten the screws down.
And

Speaker 7 so those would be the top five or six teams. That doesn't mean a team like Alabama, who shoots 10 threes, might be hot and win a game.

Speaker 7 That doesn't mean that Gonzaga and the job mark viewers done couldn't work out. You know, I don't know.

Speaker 7 There's a lot of, there's a, hey, right now, the one thing I do know about this tournament, the last two, three years,

Speaker 7 flip a coin,

Speaker 7 something strange is going to happen. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Probably, probably

Speaker 7 teams that you thought would get out of tonight aren't going to get out. Teams that tomorrow night aren't going to get out.
And yet

Speaker 7 some years it's chalk and everybody gets there. You know, I think one year we're in the final four with three ones and a two, that's odd.
You know, we've been a seven and been in the final four.

Speaker 7 So I don't know, guys. I'm not the expert.
I'm not gambling on it, but you guys can be. And you guys have been great.
I appreciate you having me on.

Speaker 7 Maybe, who knows? Maybe we'll do it again as the tournament goes since since I have some unfortunate off time right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And we have to have you next time you're in Chicago.
We'd love to have you come by the office because we have a full court basketball court.

Speaker 1 We'd actually would be great if you if you took us through the war drill. That's what we should do.
Yeah. Because you can do it with us.
We'll sign a waiver. Yeah.

Speaker 7 You'll sign a waiver. I can I can have the bears send over some football pads and we'll get at it a little bit.

Speaker 7 I know my son's a big fan of yours, so I'll make sure that I bring him with me and we'll do that.

Speaker 7 Hope you guys have a great day. A good tournament.

Speaker 1 And congratulations to your son for the three points. That was an all-time moment.
That was an all-time moment. I mean, that was what I love about college basketball.

Speaker 1 Like, you get guys who they do work and they're with the team and they're they're putting in work they're not getting the time and uh yeah that was really cool we also next year you'll you'll be part of birthday week because you and i share a birthday and pft is the day after us so uh we'll yeah we'll have you come out and do it would be an all-time visual because you can you can run the wardrobe we're not soft coach yeah we're tough you see these love it i've been blogging for 15 years calluses yeah yeah those badgers man you know after a middle of the year slump there but they really came on at the end i thought they were going to make a run and they run into into the same team that we did the first year.

Speaker 7 Yep.

Speaker 6 JMU, who was pretty good team.

Speaker 1 Shout out to JMU.

Speaker 1 Pretty great team.

Speaker 6 That's my that's my team, coach. I refrain.
I held myself back from making a JMU comic.

Speaker 1 You're a JMU guy?

Speaker 6 I'm a JMU guy. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Well, let me tell you, my nephew was on the staff there. That shows you how dumb I am.
I played him and got beat.

Speaker 7 So, you know what Thanksgiving meal is going to be like?

Speaker 7 I'm going to throw knives at my son. My nephew.

Speaker 1 I love it. I love it.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 It was a great game for me.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well,

Speaker 7 they were good. Yeah.
They were really good. I mean, everybody thought ours was a fluke until they won about 30-something games.

Speaker 7 Now you lost your coach. He went in the portal.

Speaker 6 I know it's tough. It's tough.

Speaker 6 That's life as a mid-major, though.

Speaker 6 You're a great stepping stone, but being a stepping stone kind of sucks sometimes.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, coach,

Speaker 7 you were great.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. Hopefully, we'll see you in person next year when you're coming through Chicago.

Speaker 6 Appreciate the time, coach.

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Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 let's wrap up with some Fire Fest. Hank, Fire Fest of the Week.

Speaker 10 I actually have a reverse Fire Fest. There's no specific Fire Fest stick out.

Speaker 6 An Ice Fest?

Speaker 10 An Ice Fest.

Speaker 6 There's a bit of that going around.

Speaker 10 Just a great sign for the spring and summer. It happened twice this week where I've found sunglasses from last summer in an old pair of coats.
That's huge.

Speaker 1 Huge.

Speaker 10 So one wouldn't be notable, but it happened twice basically in the same week where I put on like a windbreaker, reached in the pocket, found a pair of sunglasses I thought was gone forever.

Speaker 6 That's great. It is that time of year where you go back to the light windbreakers and you're in like a time portal.
You find like a time capsule back to, I guess, early last fall.

Speaker 6 You realize how young and dumb and stupid you were.

Speaker 1 So yeah, reverse fire fire. There's nothing better than finding sunglasses because you just,

Speaker 1 once a pair goes away, you're like, I'll never see these again. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and you don't know where they went, but you can't remember the last time you wore them.

Speaker 1 My problem with sunglasses, too, is I always try to have like two or three pair in rotation,

Speaker 1 but then you don't treat them like they're the most important thing. So then you get down to having none.

Speaker 10 That's what I had three. I knew I lost one.
I knew I left one in Nashville after a bachelor party. Like I knew those were gone forever.

Speaker 1 That was a good bachelor party for you.

Speaker 10 Good bachelor party for me.

Speaker 10 And then the other two, I just didn't know, you know, they were lost in the wind, but I was like, fuck, I went from three to zero. How did this happen? Yeah.
Yeah. Back up to two.

Speaker 6 I conservatively estimate that I've lost like $5,000 worth of sunglasses.

Speaker 10 Oh, they're going to say 5,000 pairs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, two.

Speaker 6 Well, no, I'm counting in the ones that are free. Like the ones that are from Shady Rays.

Speaker 6 And by the way, Shady Rays does have a deal where if you lose them, you can get a new pair, which which is awesome. Shady Ray's.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I've probably lost 5,000 pairs, but $5,000 total worth of sunglasses. Yeah.
Just in the last seven years. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't know how you do it because, like, I use sunglasses basically just exclusively in my car. Yeah.
And having to have them on deck all the time.

Speaker 6 That's fucking tough.

Speaker 6 I find them in very strange places, but it has been nice the last couple years not having to, like, if I go somewhere for work, not having a pair of sunglasses, being like, shit, I have to stop by a store and buy sunglasses.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay, PFT, your Fire Fest?

Speaker 6 That's a good reverse Fire Fest. Reverse Fire Fest.
Yeah. My Fire Fest is last night/slash this morning.
I passed another kidney stone. Oh, it's been a while for that.

Speaker 6 I don't, I think I've gotten rid of all my stones by now. I have to.
I know that you had one, Big Cat, a few years ago. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I did on vitamin C. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 I had one about two weeks after Big Cat had one, which makes me think that it was something that we were eating or drinking together. They gave it to us.

Speaker 6 But I had like 13 kidney stones when they did the scan of my kidney. And they were all really small, so they didn't have to like go up there and shoot it with the lasers that they do sometimes.

Speaker 6 So they're just like, Yeah, just so you know, you're gonna be pissing out kidney stones for the next, I don't know, six months, year. But I had another one, was it?

Speaker 1 Was it painful or was it just the rock coming out of your penis? And you're like, What the fuck was that?

Speaker 6 The rock coming out of my penis is not the painful part. Yeah, the painful part is when it goes from your kidney to your bladder, right? And that's the really small tube.

Speaker 6 My urethra is a cavern compared to that little tube. Do you have a wide cup? I do have a well, I've got a not not a great penis, but I've got a huge urethra.

Speaker 1 Imagine if that was like, hey, hey, babe, like, yeah,

Speaker 1 it's not long, it's not big,

Speaker 1 but the fucking hole is wide.

Speaker 6 I've got a massive hole. If I could take a close-up picture of my penis hole and people wouldn't know, I'd be like, Phyllis, how many beers? And dudes would get horny online, not knowing what it was.

Speaker 6 You have a vagina on the tip of your penis. I'm a docking man's dream.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 So, yeah, that sucked, but I woke up this morning. I was sweating, back hurt, the whole thing.
But it's gone now, so I'm happy that it's gone. But I hope it's the last one.

Speaker 6 But yeah, I think that's about a baker's dozen kidney stones pissed through my dick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, mine was a one-off, hopefully, knock on wood, because it was when I was in some bro science, and I was like, I think I was trying to fight off COVID with just vitamin C.

Speaker 1 And I took like a bunch of vitamin C tablets and the emergency, and then I just started pissing like electric orange, and then a rock came out, and it hurts so bad.

Speaker 6 It hurts bad, yeah. But but it's also that's the most relieving part is when it comes out.
Yeah, uh, but yeah, my dick's seen some shit. What can I say? My dick's basically been to war.

Speaker 1 Uh, thank you for its service. Yeah, you're welcome.
You're welcome.

Speaker 6 So, that's my fire fest. I feel, I feel like that's a solid fire fest.
Whenever I have one, it's like, okay, I know what I'm going to talk about on Thursday.

Speaker 6 Yeah, because Jesus, that is painful stuff.

Speaker 1 Uh, all right, my fire fest is uh, not, well, it's not, it is my fire fest, but it's my kids are on spring break, and every morning uh, this week, I've had to explain to them that today is not Donut Day because they don't have school, so they automatically assume it's donut day.

Speaker 6 It's like Pavlov's dog.

Speaker 1 It really sucks having to break it to him. It even got worse this morning because my daughter woke up and she's like, Is it donut day? And I was like, No, it's not.
She's like, Is it Halloween?

Speaker 1 And I was like, Nope. So they're just like thinking like every day that they're not in school, they're like, Well, something special has to happen.
Is Santa here?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're just like, and I'm like, No, I'm sorry to break it to you. It's Thursday.

Speaker 10 Max, Jake, and I went to Dave and Buster's yesterday. Oh, yeah.
Just for fun.

Speaker 1 And it was a scene.

Speaker 10 Yes. It was like the most packed club I've ever been in.
Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 My wife took my son to the

Speaker 1 children's museum. She said it was the craziest scene ever because everyone's on spring break right now.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Children's, the aquarium is probably popping off right now.

Speaker 1 Popping off. But yeah, it's been tough.
Having to break it to a four and a half year old and a two and a half year old being like, today is not Donut Day is, it's, it's sad.

Speaker 1 It breaks my heart every single time. In a few years.
And no Halloween. It's brutal.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I guess it takes a couple of years, but what, six or seven? That's when you start to appreciate weeks off from school, right?

Speaker 1 Right. Because they're like, they kids still like school right now.
But yeah, the no Halloween. And then my son chimed in and was like, Halloween's next week.
And I was like, God damn it, guys.

Speaker 1 We got to get on this schedule thing. Like, we got a ways to go.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's a very funny way to grow up, though. Like, every day that I don't have school, I get

Speaker 1 yeah, right. That's exactly what they assume.
Or something special is about to happen. Yeah.
Nope. It's Thursday.

Speaker 6 Speaking of the aquarium, what the fuck is going on with the pregnant stingray? I don't know. Still hasn't given birth.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 That bitch was. RG3's baby.

Speaker 6 That bitch was never pregnant. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just became a dad.

Speaker 6 Who?

Speaker 8 Pucks a tawny Phil.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 1 Groundhog fuck?

Speaker 1 I guess so.

Speaker 6 I thought it lived in that tree stump all year long.

Speaker 1 In the list of animals I'd want to see fuck, I think

Speaker 1 groundhogs are very low. Oh, I'd say high.
Really?

Speaker 6 I would love to see groundhogs.

Speaker 1 There's so much fur. It's like two pillows, fucking two throw pillows.

Speaker 6 They've got the cute little buck teeth. They're probably chatting away while they do that.

Speaker 1 Watching a turtle fuck is wild.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it is. They scream.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who welcomed two babies.

Speaker 6 He had twins?

Speaker 1 I guess. Wait, Phil? Yeah.
Wait, he had the baby? Or he's a dad?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's a father.

Speaker 1 Why is the buddy pregnant? If they made Phil a woman,

Speaker 1 I'll join everyone who's been red-built and been like, our society's going to shit.

Speaker 6 You can't do that. I guess Phil came early this year.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 God damn it. Okay, so he's got two kids.

Speaker 8 Yeah, two baby groundhogs.

Speaker 1 How's it going to get any sleep? He's going to do a bad job of fucking telling us if it's winter or not.

Speaker 6 How are they going to decide which one of his kids becomes the next groundhog?

Speaker 1 I don't know. They got to fight to the death.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 8 The first time in 138 years.

Speaker 1 That Phil has had a kid? Yeah.

Speaker 6 How old is Phil?

Speaker 8 I don't know. I'm going to send you guys the article.

Speaker 1 There's got to be multiple Phils, yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way, little correction, even though I don't, I'll still stand with my take that Flacco the Owl was a slut,

Speaker 1 big-time slut.

Speaker 1 I guess the pigeon herpes might have been because he was eating pigeons.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's that good explanation. Right.
Flacco.

Speaker 1 Right. Uh-huh.
Yeah. Yeah.
Eating their cock.

Speaker 6 Hey, babe, I have no idea where this herpes came from. It must have been.
Acrophiliac. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 So, wait, he was probably going down on the pigeons.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
He's eating their cock. So I'm sticking with full-on slut-shaming of Flacco.
You were a slut. That's how you got the herpes.
That's how your brain got worms.

Speaker 1 That's how you die.

Speaker 6 You're very convenient, Flacco.

Speaker 1 Hot guy.

Speaker 10 Flacco Phil and Phyllis.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 6 Phyllis is Phil's baby mom. Oh, so he's got.

Speaker 1 Phyllis. I like that.
Okay. You guys the article.

Speaker 6 Okay, I'm going to see. Are they married? Is it out of website? Oh, there's nothing I like more than when a zoo does a wedding for two of their animals.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Phil and Phyllis.

Speaker 9 Those are also the names of

Speaker 9 Retro Philly's mascots. Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 Remember when De Blasio dropped

Speaker 1 the. What is it, a hedgehog? No.

Speaker 6 No, De Blasio, the hedgehog went missing.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 It wasn't a hedgehog. He dropped it.

Speaker 6 What is Pungstatoni Phil?

Speaker 1 He's a groundhog. He's

Speaker 10 a Donald Ghalib.

Speaker 1 Pull up de Blasio. De Blasio dropped a Groundhog on its head and it died like a day later.

Speaker 6 They got rid of the Groundhog.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it died. They disappeared.
He just fucking dropped a Groundhog. That doesn't get talked about enough.

Speaker 6 Groundhogs live up to six years in the wild, but Pungstatoni Groundhog Club. I want to be a member of that club.

Speaker 6 Has previously stated, Phil's longevity comes from taking a sip of the elixir of life every summer at the Groundhog picnic. The secret recipe magically gives him seven more years of life.

Speaker 1 They're just giving him Phil Atreides.

Speaker 1 He's giving him Diddy's Pink Cocaine. Wait, so they're saying that this is Dune.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 I've never seen Dune. We've been told that this is the same Phil for 138 years and that it's a magic Groundhog that never dies.
They're killing Groundhogs left and right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, wait, wait, get the video. I want to see the video.
He dropped the Groundhog and then the Groundhog died like a day later.

Speaker 1 You can probably just search for videos of it.

Speaker 6 I don't know why you had to use Twitter. Okay.

Speaker 1 Sidney Sweeney. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Probably doing the Sidney Sweeney thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, this isn't it, Max.

Speaker 1 Oh, maybe it is.

Speaker 6 Okay, so he's got a Groundhog. Yeah, he just drops it.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Dude, you got to hold it.
And then the Groundhog died. Got a concussion.
Was dead the next day.

Speaker 6 And then, yeah, they put it in the blue shed. Fucking de Blasio.

Speaker 1 What a jerk.

Speaker 1 All right, that was Groundhog Talk.

Speaker 1 Find you a podcast that does Groundhog Talk in late March.

Speaker 6 It's just, it's unreal that they're telling us that this Groundhog's been alive for 130 years.

Speaker 9 Shout out the Phillies retro logo.

Speaker 1 It's a great logo. Great logo.

Speaker 9 Phil and Phyllis.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 6 I don't know about that, Max. Yeah, I don't know about that, Max.
I'm a Mrs. Met man.

Speaker 1 I don't know about that, Chief.

Speaker 1 Okay, Jake.

Speaker 8 My Fire Fest, I guess, is a little bit of a reverse, too. It's really a good thing, but in the moment, it's a bad thing.
I did my first ever cold plunge last week.

Speaker 1 Oh, how'd it go?

Speaker 8 I have it on video. It was really...

Speaker 1 it was you scream yeah of course how long were you in there for three minutes that's a long time yeah you're gonna be like huberman in no time so

Speaker 6 yeah it's it was very hard but for three those are the slowest three minutes i've ever had yeah so when i did it did you feel did you feel like a man when you got out yeah it feels really good when you get out but that moment of ducking your head oh boy yeah i of all the people that i thought would be a cold plunge guy i think jake was last on my list of people that don't be doing this.

Speaker 1 But it's a good way to

Speaker 1 cleanse out. Uh-huh.
Yeah. That's he up.
Yeah. So it's a busy month.
I've still not gone to cold plunge world.

Speaker 6 I've done it a few times.

Speaker 1 Actually, I've done it once, but that was at a gym, and I don't think it was like fully cold. It was like the cold bath at a gym.

Speaker 6 It's great for a hangover. Yeah.
You go hot, cold, hot, cold, and then your body is just so confused that it can't be hungover anymore. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I used to do it before it was cool.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? Yeah.

Speaker 6 We used to do it.

Speaker 1 When it was hot for baseball back in college.

Speaker 9 Do you guys know I went to a training facility when I was in college, and Biz was also at that training facility at the same time?

Speaker 1 Doing what? For like a month? Who's that worse for?

Speaker 6 Definitely Biz.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Definitely Biz. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 I was a college kid, and I remember, I was like, oh, yeah, that guy plays in the NHL. And then he was like always cracking jokes and like the yoga and stuff that we had to do.
Uh-huh.

Speaker 9 And then it ended up being Biz. Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 That is crazy. Wow, man.

Speaker 6 Biz walks into an elite athletic training facility. He's like, Yeah, I'm an initial player.
I got to get my body right. And then Max is just there farting two sodas the whole nine yards.

Speaker 1 Max, how many times did you get tagged in that tweet the other day of the guy who was like, Whoever's eating a burrito on the plane, we can all smell it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, that's all my mentions are. Granny.

Speaker 1 I saw it. I was just like, Max probably got tagged a million times.
Is Pug out of the vet?

Speaker 10 Nope, Pug's still in the vet. Okay.

Speaker 6 Is he going to have a cone on next week?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't.

Speaker 1 He's got one arm shaved.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 6 Numbers: eight, forty, twenty, three, seventy-seven, eighteen.

Speaker 1 We dance, Max. We're dancing.

Speaker 1 38

Speaker 1 38.

Speaker 6 Love you guys.

Speaker 6 Don't came away.

Speaker 6 No matter

Speaker 6 what I'm to say, I'd say anyway.

Speaker 6 Today is a mother day to find you shining.

Speaker 6 So I've been coming for your love of me,

Speaker 6 shining.

Speaker 6 Oh, I've been coming for your love of you.

Speaker 6 Take on me. Take

Speaker 6 me

Speaker 6 up.

Speaker 6 Take on me.

Speaker 6 Some need less to say.

Speaker 6 I've already said it's about me, so let away.

Speaker 6 Suddenly, learning that life is okay.

Speaker 6 Say unto me.

Speaker 6 Life's not better to be safe and sorry. Say unto me.

Speaker 6 Life's for better to be safe and sorry.

Speaker 6 Drink on me.

Speaker 6 Drink

Speaker 6 Things that you say

Speaker 6 gazing along,

Speaker 6 just a favor

Speaker 6 easy way.

Speaker 6 You're all the things I've got to remember.

Speaker 6 You're shining on you.

Speaker 6 Love you for you, anyway.

Speaker 6 You're shining on.

Speaker 6 love and good will, many light.

Speaker 6 Take

Speaker 6 on

Speaker 6 me, take

Speaker 6 me

Speaker 6 up,

Speaker 6 take on me, I'll make you

Speaker 6 take on me, take

Speaker 6 me

Speaker 6 up,

Speaker 6 take on me, I'll make

Speaker 6 you

Speaker 6 take on you.

Speaker 6 Take on me.

Speaker 6 Take on me.

Speaker 6 Take on me.