March Madness, We Recap The First 4 Days Of The Tourney, Then Talk To Jack Gohlke From Oakland And DJ Burns From NC State

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have March Madness recap. What a four days we just witnessed.

Speaker 2 It's been crazy.

Speaker 1 It's going to be a loopy episode. Our brains are full of basketball.
We also have

Speaker 2 Jack Golke and DJ Burns, two of the heroes from the first four days.

Speaker 1 NC State's still marching on. They beat Jack Golke's Oakland, but he also captured the hearts of America when they took down Kentucky.

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Speaker 1 Today is Monday, March 25th,

Speaker 1 and my head is full of basketball. My eyes have been burning for four days.
I feel like I've gained 15 pounds. I've had a headache non-stop, but goddamn it, was that fun?

Speaker 5 I've had two bites of vegetables since Thursday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, two a lot. I have not had that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, just because of the wedding, early course, you get the asparagus, took a couple bites of that.

Speaker 5 That's it.

Speaker 1 I've had candy on candy on candy, and we just watched basketball for four days straight. And I feel great, though.
I feel great. I will say this,

Speaker 8 for you people listening right now.

Speaker 1 I would throw this out there. Maybe Monday after Super Bowl and then Monday after the first weekend of March Madness, two worst Mondays in the calendar year.
Your body just craves day basketball.

Speaker 2 You're just sitting there like, what do I do with the rest of my life?

Speaker 1 Basically, you're basically red, or no, Brooks getting out of Shawshank, and you're like, this sucks.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I want to go back to just sitting on a couch with my boys watching hoop.

Speaker 5 Yeah, if you want day ball, by the way, look at Big Cat's blog on the coach's picture.

Speaker 1 Yes, which we can talk about a little bit a little bit. I'm going to be up till 4 in the morning tonight.

Speaker 5 That's fun. That's a nice little wind down down after a week in the ball.
But yeah, it was a great time. The games weren't that competitive over the weekend.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 15 it's still a lot of basketball.

Speaker 1 Let's debate this before we go through the games and talk about all the storylines.

Speaker 1 We do this as sports fans. We have to say, well, this March Madness has been great or this one has sucked.
I've seen both arguments.

Speaker 16 I'm firmly in, yeah, I wish there was less blowouts.

Speaker 1 But what this March Madness is setting up, it's actually exactly what I want.

Speaker 8 A A few upsets in the first round, some shocking moments.

Speaker 1 You get a Jack Golke, you get a Yale beating Auburn, you get these weird things happening, but then you get the best 16 teams in the Sweet 16, and you have, I know it's chalky, but we have matchups that are so, so great.

Speaker 1 And I don't want to get to the Sweet 16 and have like a 13 seed who's going to lose by 20 to UConn. Yeah.
30 to Yukon.

Speaker 5 We got some Blue Bloods in there.

Speaker 1 We got a national title rematch with UConn and San Diego State.

Speaker 5 And the one Cinderella that's still in there is a Cinderella that we can all focus on in NC State.

Speaker 1 Also, not a Cinderella anymore because they just keep winning. I think they went from Cinderella to just Team of Destiny.

Speaker 1 Like, there was a moment when NC State, in that Oakland game, they win in overtime. And I'm like, why can't they just win it all?

Speaker 5 Yeah, they're good. They're like legit good.
The two DJs and then Diara, they got some players.

Speaker 1 Who's fasting for Ramadan, which is nuts?

Speaker 5 So they're the new UConn.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's not been eating during these games.

Speaker 2 And they've played seven games in 12 days.

Speaker 5 That's really impressive. I don't think I'd be able to watch basketball without eating.
No. Much less play it.

Speaker 13 Definitely not.

Speaker 1 I sit on that couch. It's like Pavlov's dogs.
Like, what are we eating today?

Speaker 2 Oh, we had lunch two minutes ago.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about dinner.

Speaker 5 We've got solid matchups in the next round. And also, shout out to the ACC.
The ACC, what are they, 8-1 in the tournament? The one loss being UVA

Speaker 5 in the first four.

Speaker 1 Well, the Big East East also undefeated. Big East undefeated as undefeated, 6-0.

Speaker 14 Big East.

Speaker 2 Probably should have put more teams in from the Big East.

Speaker 5 Big East is back. Well, yeah, UConn had Northwestern and Stetson.

Speaker 5 But yeah, we got some really good matchups coming up next weekend. Oh,

Speaker 5 I'm pumped about that. I would have liked more close games, maybe with the same results, but more close games.
But all in all, like, yeah,

Speaker 5 it was a weekend well spent.

Speaker 5 I don't want to be second-guessing my weekend, and the fact that the very last game or second to last game was the Houston A ⁇ M shocker that went to overtime.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was incredible.

Speaker 5 That's a good way for me to wash a little bit of the stink of the blowouts out of my mouth.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so the, yeah, I don't like it, the years when we get to Sweet 16 and we have multiple 13, 14, you know, 15 St. Peter's.

Speaker 2 That was a great story.

Speaker 1 But then you get, St. Peter's went all the way to the Elite Eight, correct? You get Cinderella Purdue.
And they lost by like 40 to the UN City.

Speaker 1 Right. You get Cinderella.
You can do UNC.

Speaker 5 You get Cinderella fatigue.

Speaker 5 We can channel all of our Cinderella energy into NC State now, which is nice. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Usually when these double-digit seeds lose, they lose in big fashion. Right.

Speaker 12 Like they just completely run out of gas.

Speaker 1 Right. So

Speaker 1 I'm very excited with this tournament.

Speaker 2 I'm excited with what we've watched.

Speaker 1 Where do you want to start?

Speaker 5 Let's start on Friday.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 We usually go in chronological order.

Speaker 1 That's true. Factor fiction.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we do. On the show.
Okay, so I didn't really watch much of the games because I was flying and then I was at dinner, but I did see one game.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 7 James Madison, Wisconsin.

Speaker 5 James Madison, Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 Wisconsin played like fucking ass.

Speaker 5 JMU played like fucking

Speaker 1 good ass, like a really good ass. No, that was torture for me.
It was a torturous game.

Speaker 1 They played

Speaker 2 just horrendous.

Speaker 1 I don't think they knew what JMU was all about. It felt like they showed up and they're like, oh, yeah, we'll just win this game.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, JMU is going to pressure us on every possession and we'll just not be able to handle the pressure. They were not ready for the fight.

Speaker 2 The fight was brought to them. They were not ready for the fight.

Speaker 1 Why are you pulling up the box score, Max?

Speaker 12 I was just curious. I was looking.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it sucked. It sucked.
And it was torture for me.

Speaker 2 I hated every second of it.

Speaker 1 As you get older, it's weird because you think that these games should matter less as you get older and have perspective.

Speaker 1 But I was thinking about it because I was so mad at myself, so sad on Friday night.

Speaker 1 And I realized that they, in a weird way, matter more because as you get older, your teams keep some, you know, your friendships alive.

Speaker 1 And all my college friends, who I'm still very good friends with, like, we watch it together and we talk about it. And then, like, to have that performance and that just disgusting.

Speaker 1 I would have rather have lost on a buzzer beater than the way that Wisconsin went out because it was so pathetic.

Speaker 1 And then it's got me questioning everything with the direction of the program and everything. So, yeah, you had fun.
I had torture.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I had a pretty good time. It was a great night.

Speaker 5 Wisconsin, I would say they weren't ready for the defensive pressure, but also Wisconsin would have been, I think it would have been better if the game had been played on like Monday or Tuesday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, when they were on a roll in the Big Ten tournament.

Speaker 5 Well, what? And then they had to take a couple days off and they kind of reverted back.

Speaker 1 They were Jekyll and Hyde all year, and what happened in the Big Ten tournament just pulled me back in. And I knew that was going to happen, and

Speaker 1 it just pulled me right back into being like, oh, maybe this team will hit all their shots and they'll be great.

Speaker 2 And they were not. And yeah, it sucked.
AJ Store was bad.

Speaker 1 Wall was not good. It was the last game.

Speaker 2 Like, just sucked. Everything sucked.

Speaker 5 Yeah, we had a great game. Our big three three showed up.
It was an electric atmosphere inside the Barclays.

Speaker 5 It's the loudest that it's been inside the Barclays, which, when you look back at the history of teams that have played there, yeah, you had the Nets for a little bit, and then you have, what, the A-10 tournament?

Speaker 5 Yeah. So, yeah,

Speaker 5 the biggest night in the history of the Barclays in terms of crowd noise. It was a blast.

Speaker 20 What was up with the guy behind you that you told to shut the fuck up?

Speaker 5 Well, he needed to shut the fuck up. And so I told him to shut the fuck up.
I have a lot of practice telling you. I just shut the fuck up because of you, Hank.

Speaker 1 I know. It was good.

Speaker 20 It was good to see that and not be on the receiving end of it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so basically, what happened was Max, myself, my friend Brian that I went to JMU with, and then Rosillo met up with us. Rosillo put a rookie mistake.
He was trying to watch Vermont Duke.

Speaker 1 With a Cardinals hat on.

Speaker 5 With a Cardinals hat on. And he.
I saw that picture.

Speaker 1 I was like, just Rasillo.

Speaker 5 That's Rasillo. I didn't even ask him.
I love him.

Speaker 5 I didn't question it. I just was like, okay, Ryan's here, whatever.
But he made a rookie mistake. He bought tickets for the early slate.
Oh, no. Thinking he was going to get all the games.

Speaker 14 And then

Speaker 7 he got kicked out.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 5 hey, is there an extra ticket? Yeah, we got you, Ryan.

Speaker 5 So, Ryan was watching the games with us, and the guy behind us started running his mouth a little bit right after we got out to an early start because JMU came out pretty hot.

Speaker 5 And he was like telling me to sit down, called me a C-word, like the Australian C-word. And

Speaker 5 I was just like, This guy needs to shut the fuck up. And I was about seven or eight cocktails deep at the time, so I just let him have it.

Speaker 5 And then after I said that to him, we reached like a mutual respect thing where the guy was like, fair enough. And he was like, are you even a JMU fan? I was like, yeah, I went to school there.

Speaker 5 And he didn't believe me at first, and he thought that I was wearing a suit going there to troll all the Wisconsin people that I was sitting next to. Okay.
And so I explained to him. I went there.

Speaker 5 I liked the team. He was like, okay, okay, that's somewhat fair.
And I was like, how about this?

Speaker 5 How about we both agree that whoever wins, we want the other team to beat the fuck out of Duke in the next round? He was like, okay, that's good. So we bonded.

Speaker 5 Also, he thought Rosillo was my security guard that was with me. So he was a little bit intimidated.

Speaker 21 He is built.

Speaker 1 He was ready to roll.

Speaker 5 Ryan was ready to rock and roll. So

Speaker 5 it was a fun night, and getting to see your team win a tournament game is

Speaker 5 electric. And my hopes got up.

Speaker 5 I was thinking that we were going to come out and

Speaker 5 at least show some fight against Duke.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, you guys. A great Friday night.

Speaker 1 You guys suck too.

Speaker 2 We just suck way more.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was a great Friday night.

Speaker 1 Because that was.

Speaker 1 I did on Friday night. You had a great Friday night.

Speaker 2 I had a torture Friday night.

Speaker 1 Hank and I almost broke up for good.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I I heard about that.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we almost actually ended our relationship. But you should thank me.

Speaker 5 You actually should thank me, Big Cat, because you would have much rather lose on Friday night to me than to beat us and then get your shit kicked in by Duke.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I agree. I don't think we would have lost by 30 to Duke, but I agree.

Speaker 2 This is 38.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it sucks. I mean, I bet on James Madison.

Speaker 1 I held my end of the bargain.

Speaker 2 I rooted very hard for James Madison today, and it was not good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Hank and I had a we had a

Speaker 1 grudge battle that almost ended our relationship for good.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I don't know what I was supposed to do.

Speaker 20 You know, I was

Speaker 2 many times as well.

Speaker 20 And it was before the game. I was just watching a light.

Speaker 1 We basically

Speaker 1 wait, wait.

Speaker 5 It was so just to set the table here, Hank was rooting for JMU because in a sponsored ad deal,

Speaker 5 we drew JMU

Speaker 5 as our team that we had to root for. But he wasn't

Speaker 1 being a good employee. No, he was saying it like he was going to root for JMU, like as hard.
Like, he was like, people want to tune in to see me and you go after each other.

Speaker 1 I was like, no, they don't. You have no connection to JMU.
I was like, if PFT was here, that would make sense. Like when Max has a big game,

Speaker 1 I've lost so much money betting on Philly sports.

Speaker 5 No, totally. Riding with Max.
But to be fair, you sometimes do that because that way when you lose your bet, you can get mad at Max.

Speaker 1 And that's fun. It is very fun.
That's fun.

Speaker 1 I bet the Eagles because I thought they were going to win the Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 I bet the Phillies because I thought they were going to win the World Series. It wasn't because I was trolling Max.

Speaker 1 The Villanova one was trolling.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Hanky was like, he was like, basically, I'm going to root for JMU. Like, I've been rooting for this team my whole life.
And I was like, but that doesn't make sense.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Hank was a one-man house-divided bumper sticker with his allegiances to JMU and also Duke.

Speaker 7 And also Duke.

Speaker 1 I actually have the idea that Hank came out the biggest loser in this whole entire squad.

Speaker 5 He didn't even get to enjoy a win.

Speaker 1 Right, because I didn't lose fully because I never lost to Duke.

Speaker 2 You obviously got a win, so you didn't, and then you lost Duke, but you got a win.

Speaker 1 And Hank

Speaker 1 didn't get his sponsored deal to the point where he could win win money. The team that he actually likes, Duke, played his sponsored deal and he just didn't root for Duke.

Speaker 1 So everyone's like, wait, are you a Duke fan anymore? Hank was the biggest loser.

Speaker 20 But now I can just hop back in.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you can hop back in. And it was hard.

Speaker 20 I did think it wasn't going to matter. And then, you know, once the game started and I saw the Duke unis in action, I was like, it made you a little teary-eyed.

Speaker 1 Hank. Hop back in.
I want you to root for Duke. Yeah, yeah.
I like it when you root for Dick.

Speaker 5 Hank, I want you to root really hard for Duke. In fact, I want you to go to their next game.
where are they playing

Speaker 1 oh they're playing in dallas oh nice oh that's crazy but hank and i did make up it was uh it was a

Speaker 5 12-hour tiff that's on friday as well i have a tweet i didn't mean to say tiff i have i have a tweet here from oh it's from tiffany oh she wants to know if hank can come to dallas to watch his beloved duke blue devils is that actually

Speaker 5 no oh yes did she actually somebody said at hinnies and i was tagged in because it was a reply to a tweet I had.

Speaker 8 The never-ending song.

Speaker 5 Are you going to Dallas for the next Duke game eyeball emoji at Tiffany Gomez? Tiffany replied 29 minutes ago, good question. Dot, dot, dot.

Speaker 5 At Hinny's question mark.

Speaker 20 You got to go. Oh, man.
You got to go.

Speaker 23 God.

Speaker 5 I give you permission to go if you want to go, Hank.

Speaker 1 You got to go.

Speaker 23 Yeah, I'll look into it.

Speaker 1 Okay, great.

Speaker 1 You always ride for Duke as he sits in his purple jumpsuit.

Speaker 5 Hank, you got to go down there and fix her wall up.

Speaker 5 You got to plaster her walls, Hank.

Speaker 20 Yeah, I might have to.

Speaker 1 I got to hit her up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But Hank and I did, we ended our beef just the very next day. It was a bad night for me.
I had a very, very bad time.

Speaker 1 Sports should not change your mood as much as they do. I mean, you had a bad time today.

Speaker 5 I had a bad time today. But again, like, I'm looking back at Friday.
I had a great Friday night. I had a great Saturday.
I had a stressful...

Speaker 5 The thing about today, though, was I was stressed out and I was anxious before the game. And then I didn't even get a single second's worth of joy out of the game today.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 I went immediately from being anxious to being sad. To dead.

Speaker 1 We never got to cheer. Never got to cheer.
I loaded up on JMU. I didn't get to get a single channel.

Speaker 1 I was like, let's go. You know,

Speaker 1 I had had the appropriate amount of time to process the debacle and torture of Friday night. I would moved on.
We had a good Saturday.

Speaker 1 And then, yeah,

Speaker 1 there was no cheering.

Speaker 5 JMU was built to beat the Big Ten. We can't hang with the ACC yet.
Yeah. That's the next step for us.

Speaker 9 And now it's who are we losing in the portal?

Speaker 5 Oh, don't talk. Don't.

Speaker 6 Pat.

Speaker 1 If you want to be a Big Ten basketball school, then you're going to be a little bit more.

Speaker 5 What did you say? What did you say?

Speaker 1 What did you say on Friday?

Speaker 5 Give the person a day.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right. I'll give you a day.
Give me a day, and then we'll talk portal. I'll give you a day.
I'll give you a day. Then we'll talk portal.

Speaker 5 We were already talking about my coach going somewhere else earlier.

Speaker 1 I didn't bring that up. I know.
I know.

Speaker 5 I said.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was not you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But just give me a day to practice. Portal sucks.
No, I just,

Speaker 1 I asked that because Wisconsin just started, started everyone just started hitting the portal it's like the worst part about college sports now is like yeah you lose a game and then the minute after you're just like oh cool portal portal for everyone next year all right let's talk about some other games but congratulations pft that was you guys i mean yeah you took it really was like the game started and you guys were like we're gonna play 10 times more aggressive and like

Speaker 1 fast faster than Wisconsin and Wisconsin just looked like they had just never seen that and it was over from that moment. Yeah,

Speaker 5 we played some tenacious D yeah Friday for sure, and it was so fun to watch. I'm so glad I got to experience it.

Speaker 5 It's something that I never thought, like, JMU basketball has never been a threat to do this ever. And now we got some that we're building on.
So it's

Speaker 1 Sweet 16.

Speaker 2 There's nothing like that in the second weekend.

Speaker 5 My little Grinch Heart grew three times the size that day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, so let's talk some other games.

Speaker 1 Where do we want to start?

Speaker 7 There's been all the favorites have advanced, basically.

Speaker 1 Oh, we could start with North Carolina doing the narrative bowl of Tom Izzo in March.

Speaker 1 We had about 10 minutes of he did it again.

Speaker 2 He's done it again, Tom Izzo.

Speaker 1 You know, January, February, Izzo. And then North Carolina happened because we all collectively forgot that all North Carolina does is beat Tom Izzo in Michigan State in March.

Speaker 1 Michigan State is 0-6 in the tournament against North Carolina. And it was like a 28-20 game.

Speaker 1 I read a story where essentially it was a 28-20 game, Michigan State, and Hubert Davis, instead of calling a play during the media timeout, just bitched out everyone

Speaker 1 in the huddle and was like, you guys don't want this. And then they finished the half 41-30, and it was, or 31, 40-31, and it was just over from there.

Speaker 5 Yeah, there were like five different teams this weekend that had these types of games where it's like, okay, if they play like this, they're going to win the title.

Speaker 5 North Carolina had a half where it's like they're going to win the national championship.

Speaker 1 And I'll say for the first time, maybe Izzo, maybe, maybe it is over for Izzo, because North Carolina, that second half, they just ran the same play over and over, and Michigan State just never stopped it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they just kept on running the same screen down low with Baycott, and then they would just hit a three, or Baycott would go one-on-one, and that was it. Yeah,

Speaker 5 it's always been funny to me that it's January, February, Izzo, April, when you would ideally like your coach to be January, February, March, Izzo.

Speaker 1 Yes. Because that's when you you really have to.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you need to win the final.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 But he is March, but he is March.

Speaker 1 He got that one win, and

Speaker 9 we got fooled for a second.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the first half was pretty good for Michigan State, but North Carolina looks like when they're playing at their best, they are one of the five teams that are unbeatable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're very good.

Speaker 8 All right, other games from Saturday.

Speaker 1 Arizona is.

Speaker 2 I was rooting for Dayton.

Speaker 1 That was the type of team that I wanted to make it.

Speaker 2 But Arizona, they're looking like a team.

Speaker 1 Like, I look at the bracket right now, and I don't know, 10 out of the 16, I could conceivably see winning at all.

Speaker 5 They're also fun when they're running. They're getting up and down the court.
They're one of the funnest teams to watch. And then, hand up,

Speaker 5 I owe Clemson an apology. I was not familiar with their game.

Speaker 13 Oh, yeah, that's Sunday, but yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Popping a Sunday.

Speaker 13 Yeah, Clemson.

Speaker 5 Clemson, I'm just saying, like, they're good.

Speaker 1 All of a sudden.

Speaker 5 I think when they announced the bracket, I believe we said, Clemson, they stink. They shouldn't be in here.

Speaker 8 Correct.

Speaker 5 I would like to retract that statement. Clemson does not stink retroactively.
I never said that.

Speaker 1 We forgot that they played a Mountain West team in the first game, which New Mexico looked like.

Speaker 1 I don't know what they just didn't. I don't know if they practiced before or they didn't even sleep before, but that was one of the worst first-round showings for a team that people were picking.

Speaker 1 They were favored in that game. They got absolutely demolished by Clemson.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and I was high on New Mexico, too. So I completely botched that one.
Yes. That's March, baby.

Speaker 1 I have a team for you, Max.

Speaker 1 Did you hear about this story?

Speaker 7 I have a team for you to root for because you don't have a team in the tournament.

Speaker 1 That team is Illinois and their first Sweet 16 since 2005, which is a crazy stat. Illinois historically has been good, but it has been a very rough stretch for them.

Speaker 1 Brad Underwood has been knocking at that door. I think he's an awesome coach.
I actually have one of my only non-old takes exposed when they hired him. I was like, Brad Underwood is an awesome coach.

Speaker 1 They're going to win with him.

Speaker 12 I know where this is going.

Speaker 1 Illinois is in the Sweet 16 since the first time in 2005. There was a story out there that Brad Underwood was trying to.
So the last couple of years, they've had

Speaker 2 a team that has not really fit the modern basketball.

Speaker 1 So they have a big man, a guard. His whole goal was we got to find more wings.
We got to find more guys that are dynamic with the ball. His entire starting five is over 6'6.

Speaker 1 Terrence Shannon is insane. He's got over 30 and a half points a game in the last six games.
What are you averaging? And they also have a guy, Damask, who's so, so good.

Speaker 1 And the story goes, they lost the game early in the season. Jay Wright was calling the game.
Brad Underwood had a meeting with Jay Wright after the game. They became friends.

Speaker 2 And Jay Wright was like, hey, this guy, Damask, why don't you just do booty ball with him?

Speaker 1 Classic Villanova booty ball where you just fucking let him get the ball, ISO, and he brings the people down in the post, like what Jalen Brunson used to do, like all those guys used to do.

Speaker 1 And that has basically changed the course of their season, and that's how they run their offense. And they're a lot more dynamic now.
It opens up everything for Terrence Shannon.

Speaker 1 Jay Wright has helped coach Illinois to the first Sweet 16 since 2005, Max.

Speaker 12 Yeah, no, that's great. I wish he did more for Villanova's.

Speaker 1 I thought he'd be more excited about this. You wish he had told that to Kyle Neptune.
Correct. Jay Wright is such a good coach.

Speaker 1 He's helping Illinois break their 19-year streak of not getting to the Sweet 16.

Speaker 12 Yeah, no, I saw that. Villanova Twitter wasn't.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 21 I'm half. I'm happy.

Speaker 1 Is he a trader?

Speaker 1 My eyes lit up when I saw it.

Speaker 1 I was like, Max.

Speaker 5 What if he goes to Kentucky?

Speaker 12 He's not going to Kentucky.

Speaker 1 Booty ball, Max.

Speaker 12 Although I do have a trade in place for the rights to J-Wright for John Caliperi.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 5 Okay. You would accept that?

Speaker 12 Well, yeah, because he's not going to come back. So I'll give up the rights to get to get.

Speaker 1 Do you have his rights?

Speaker 13 You want John Cow?

Speaker 12 Yeah, so we have the rights, huh?

Speaker 1 You want John yeah 100 italian he would be good in the big east yeah keep the keep the big east italian yeah i thought you'd be i thought you put it on a giant on a red hat with giant letters keep the big east italian i thought you'd be more excited about this revelation that booty ball has been brought to illinois by via jay wright uh no okay

Speaker 1 also brought to illinois via your other team penn state because that was part of it was brad underwood's son is on the coaching staff and he's like uh jalen pickett from penn state last year did booty ball to us three times beat us three times Booty ball can beat anyone.

Speaker 12 No, yeah, booty ball is great. I've seen a lot of guards at Villanova do the booty ball, and it's always fun to watch.

Speaker 1 Booty ball is great.

Speaker 12 Yeah, because you just see these guards just

Speaker 1 back somewhere.

Speaker 12 The other guards just don't know how to defend it.

Speaker 1 Right. And they, and Jalen Brunson is like, is 100% when he goes to booty ball.

Speaker 12 He could literally do that every possession when he was at Nova.

Speaker 1 It was awesome.

Speaker 12 And then we just had shooters everywhere, so he would just kick out, and it would be open. It was booty ball, easy bucket for Brunson or kick out wide open.

Speaker 5 Did he call it booty ball when he was at Villanova?

Speaker 1 I think booty ball was Coach Underwood's son was calling it booty ball after they got torched by Jalen Pickett at Penn State last year.

Speaker 5 It sounds so much better when it's called booty ball. It's great.

Speaker 1 Just be like, what are we going to run today? Booty ball.

Speaker 5 Yeah, use your ass.

Speaker 1 And Damascus is awesome at booty ball.

Speaker 1 So Illinois, that is a very big story, the fact they broke through, and they have a team that could absolutely beat anyone, especially with the way Tarren Shannon's playing.

Speaker 2 The other weird story I had from Saturday was

Speaker 7 Bill Self, yeah, after losing to Gonzaga, said, for the last month I've been thinking about next season.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 I was thinking about it. I actually, weirdly, like, people were roasting him, and my initial inclination was to roast him too.

Speaker 1 But Bill Self, the one thing that you can say about Bill Self is he's actually like probably too honest in his press conferences and too honest with like the assessment of his team.

Speaker 1 He essentially was like, we've been hurt and we are going to bring back a lot of starters next year. And when I bring back starters, I usually have success.
And yeah, I hate it here.

Speaker 5 Or was he saying that

Speaker 5 who's the guard that's not playing?

Speaker 1 McCullers.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that McCullers, like when he was out, when he found out that he was going to be out for a long time, he was like, well, our season's over. Yeah.
Just at that point, he's like, I knew it.

Speaker 5 And then Hunter Dickinson getting his shoulder torn off. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But he is a very honest coach. Remember, there was a couple years ago when they lost to USC and he was like, I wish Drake had beaten USC.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 If I knew that USC was going to beat us.

Speaker 5 He's very honest, except for the hair. Although,

Speaker 5 actually, actually, you know what? So we've talked about Bill Self's hair a lot on the show over the course of the years.

Speaker 5 About a year ago, I started to turn on it, and I'm thinking that it might be real hair.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but then you see one shot. I saw one shot yesterday, and I was like, no.

Speaker 5 Because I can spot a rug.

Speaker 7 I don't think it's a rug.

Speaker 1 I think he's got a great, like, astro turn.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. Like, a lot of people were saying he's got a wig beforehand.
No.

Speaker 5 I think he got

Speaker 5 a good surgery done.

Speaker 7 He got ravaged.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he got ravaged.

Speaker 1 Yeah, ravaged. He got ravaged.

Speaker 2 But yeah, Bill Self, people were criticizing for that quote because Gonzaga absolutely torched him.

Speaker 1 And Mark Few deserves our credit. Nine straight Sweet 16s is insane.
It's hard to win a game in the tournament, and

Speaker 1 he's won at least two, nine straight years. He's also,

Speaker 1 the stat is 24 straight March Madnesses, 15 straight first-round wins, nine straight Sweet 16s. Yeah.
Anyone would sign up for that.

Speaker 1 And yeah, he doesn't have a title, but you're basically saying to your fans, I will make sure that you guys have that extra week of happiness every single day.

Speaker 5 That week of happiness is huge. And not only did they beat Kansas, they destroyed Kansas.

Speaker 2 Destroyed them.

Speaker 6 Played perfect basketball in the shop. Shit pumping.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a great game.

Speaker 2 What other things from Saturday? I mean, I was.

Speaker 5 Another fun stat to keep your eye on here is the Tennessee-Texas game. Tennessee made that a lot closer than it had to be because they couldn't shoot worth

Speaker 5 a goddamn.

Speaker 5 And against Texas, Texas had 19 points in the first half. Yep.
Against them. Colorado State played Texas the game before.
Colorado State had how many points in the first half?

Speaker 1 Was it 12?

Speaker 1 11.

Speaker 5 11 points in the first half?

Speaker 1 11.

Speaker 5 Who did Colorado State play before that?

Speaker 13 Virginia.

Speaker 5 UVA, who had 14 points in the first half. So it's like we said that Colorado State caught UVA.
They caught,

Speaker 5 what do we say, Cavid 19? Yeah. Texas also caught UVA from Colorado State.
Yes. So now is Tennessee going to get UVADES against Creighton in the next round? Possibly.
In the first half.

Speaker 2 I actually think that if you're a Tennessee fan, that was the perfect way to win because it was the way you always lose.

Speaker 1 Like that game, they just went so cold shooting, but their defense is so much better this year.

Speaker 1 And they like their offense is a lot better than it was last year, but their defense, they could rely on their defense when their shooting was bad.

Speaker 1 And that was a game that Tennessee always loses and Rick Barnes always loses where it's like, you're up double digits in the second half, and what just happened? We just lost this game.

Speaker 1 They survived the what just happened, we just lost this game.

Speaker 2 And you have to do that to win.

Speaker 1 Like, you can, not everyone's going to be like UConn last year, where they you know beat everyone by double digits.

Speaker 1 If you win a national title, if you look at every national champion, there's a couple games mixed in there where you didn't have your best stuff and you just found a way to do it.

Speaker 1 This could be that game for Tennessee.

Speaker 5 Yeah, their score connect. He sucked.
He was so bad. So bad.
So bad. Finally made a three down the stretch, but for most of of the game, he couldn't score.
They had to rely on Adu and

Speaker 5 their defense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 Adu and Viscovi on defense. They're legit.
So

Speaker 5 I'm looking forward to that Creighton, Tennessee game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then we had the Oregon Creighton game, which was one of the most electric,

Speaker 1 weird games because you had Creighton miss every wide open shot and Oregon try to beat a team with two guys.

Speaker 1 Cousinard and Dante. They took every single shot, essentially, down the stretch and double overtime, just ran out of gas.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it felt like Oregon was the better team for most of the game. They were, and they just, and then it just kept extending until they ran out of gas until the second overtime.

Speaker 20 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, yeah. They tried to win with two guys.

Speaker 2 I've never seen anything like it. Like, Cousinard, that three he hit at the end of the, what is it, regular? No, second, first overtime was just an insane shot to hit.

Speaker 1 And they just, every single time down the floor, it was like, one of these two guys has to do it. Otherwise, we're fucked.

Speaker 7 And Creighton just outlasted him.

Speaker 1 Piggy, 6-0.

Speaker 5 6-0.

Speaker 1 6-0.

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Speaker 1 All right, Sunday. We talked about your game.
That sucked. I'm very worried about Duke, although Houston winning makes me less worried.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 1 Duke played a perfect game.

Speaker 5 Duke couldn't miss.

Speaker 5 He couldn't miss. McCain was on fire.

Speaker 5 It was a blowout.

Speaker 5 There's no team that can beat Duke if they shoot that well. Yeah.
The thing is, they're probably not going to shoot that well in every other game. But yeah,

Speaker 5 it was a blowout from start to finish. There was no time, at no point during that game, did did I feel optimistic.
No.

Speaker 1 No, it really. It actually is crazy to say that, but it's a fact.

Speaker 5 The only thing I can hang my hat on is that it wasn't the worst blowout of the weekend. Yeah, who was that? By one point.

Speaker 1 Who is that?

Speaker 2 Well, Houston blew out their first-round opponent by a lot.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, like, in this

Speaker 5 Purdue, Utah State was a 39-point victory. Yeah, Purdue.
I was 38.

Speaker 2 I got to say, I got to give a lot of credit, Purdue. They,

Speaker 1 yeah, people will be like, oh, they didn't play anyone. They played a 16-seed.
They played a Utah State team that was probably overrated because they didn't play anyone non-con.

Speaker 1 Purdue deserves credit because Purdue has failed so tragically the last couple of years that to get to the Sweet 16 and to do it the way they did it, where they absolutely shit-pumped both the teams along the way.

Speaker 1 And Zach Eady put up just insane, insane stats.

Speaker 1 Purdue's very good.

Speaker 1 I'm a Purdue hater, but I'm also a Purdue realist. They're very good at passing.

Speaker 5 What do you have? 23 or 24 today? And they took him out real early.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, really.

Speaker 5 And he was dominant when he was in. He was dominant when he was in the game in their opening against Grambling.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, 23 and 14.

Speaker 1 Against Grambling, I think he had a double-double with eight minutes left in the first half. Yeah, so with 30 and 21.
I'll say it.

Speaker 5 Purdue's legit.

Speaker 1 Sakidi has 53 points and 35 rebounds through two games. Also, Jake, on your wild meter, where do we have it? Purdue in the ultimate wild.

Speaker 1 Their path, if everyone wins, who's supposed to win, would be they're playing Gonzaga. They played him in the Maui.

Speaker 1 They would play Tennessee. They played him and beat him in the Maui.
And then if they,

Speaker 1 if Marquette, I believe it's Marquette. Yeah, that would be crazy.
Marquette would be the final fourth game they played and beat them in the Maui. That's exactly how it went in the Maui.
So

Speaker 1 to say there was one person who's like, they haven't played anyone. It's like

Speaker 1 they could easily, their next three games could be games that they have already won on the season.

Speaker 18 Also, you can't say they haven't played anyone. A, you don't control that.
B, they earned the number one seed.

Speaker 1 Correct. So screw those people.
Yeah. Screw them.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And they could then potentially play Illinois again, who they beat.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the championship. Well, no, they beat them.
They did not beat him in the championship.

Speaker 18 No, I'm saying they could meet that.

Speaker 1 In the championship, yes. Who they've beaten twice.
So they've played some really good teams that are all sitting in front of them.

Speaker 5 Purdue's a problem. Zach Eady is a problem.
Yeah. And yeah, he does get some calls.
That's not why they won this game.

Speaker 5 They won this game because Purdue was dominant and Zach Eady was really good even without the refs on his side. But it is, it's confusing to watch.
The refs don't know how to officiate him.

Speaker 1 Matt Painter had a comment after basically calling out anyone who says Zach Eady is not good at basketball.

Speaker 2 I agree with Matt Painter.

Speaker 1 Anyone who says Zach Edie's not good at basketball is a fucking moron. The guy's good at basketball, especially college basketball.
I don't know, whatever happens to the NBA, happens to the NBA.

Speaker 1 He has put on a lot lot of muscle, gotten a lot better through his years at Purdue. I've watched it.
He's put in a lot of work. He's gotten, he's very good at basketball.

Speaker 1 I don't love how he's reffed, but I would never say Zach Eddie's not very good at basketball. Yeah, he's really good.
Anyone who says he's not good at basketball, he's just tall, is being a hater.

Speaker 5 He's also got a great scowl. There are a very underrated look on his face when he gets into business time.

Speaker 5 You can tell, and he does the LeBron face where he dips his forehead and looks at you at the top of his eyes. Yeah.
It's very intimidating.

Speaker 1 There's also probably the reason why that narrative is out there is there's probably two or three times a game where he is just too tall.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Where it's like he'll pick up a rebound, he'll take it literally off the block and then just not even barely jump and put it back in. You're like, he's too tall.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 And basketball is always great for that so that us five, eight and a half, five, nine people at home can watch and be like, if I was just as tall as that guy, I would be so good at basketball. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Without taking into account the fact that your body would be huge and you wouldn't be able to move as quickly as you do if you got these tiny little Mickey Mouse limbs. Correct.

Speaker 1 And he's gotten a lot better and a lot bigger and stronger. Zach Edie, confirmed, good at basketball.
That was my full say something nice about Purdue.

Speaker 1 We also had Colorado Marquette, which was one of the best games of the weekend because that was kind of similar where Colorado has been playing so many games of basketball.

Speaker 1 They've been, I don't know, they have six games in the last 12 days or something like that. But Marquette is back with Kolick looking like they could absolutely win the national title.

Speaker 1 Kolick, someone said it on Twitter, which was so perfect.

Speaker 1 Kolick's drive and layup with his left, where he kind of does a little bit of body work and then extends his arm and is able to hit it off the backboard, is the basketball equivalent of the tush push.

Speaker 1 I don't know how you defend it.

Speaker 5 He's the smartest player in the tournament. Yeah.
Just watching the angles that he takes and he knows the situation all the time. He makes the perfect play.

Speaker 5 Even at the end of the game, when they were just trying to, they were trying to run the clock out, take as many seconds as he could on each possession. He knew what to do.

Speaker 5 He knew when to pass the ball, where to cut in order to take time off so they couldn't foul him. Yeah.
And so they went, like, they were trying to foul Kolick. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And Kolick was just too smart for him to get around. So having that guy running point for you is, it's huge.
And now

Speaker 5 that's going to be a good matchup against NC State. NC State Team of Destiny.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 Team of Destiny survives Oakland.

Speaker 21 And

Speaker 1 yeah, that is going to be, that's going to be a very fun game. And then the other two quick games I want to talk about was

Speaker 1 the Alabama Grand Canyon game was one of the most chaotic games I've ever watched of not great basketball, but

Speaker 1 I think if you're Grand Canyon, great season, credit to you.

Speaker 1 You should just make all your players just walk around with the basketball for the entirety of the offseason because they just holding on to a basketball was a very, very hard thing for them to do.

Speaker 5 And their players would be doing these crossovers, but they wouldn't actually be doing, they would just be standing in place, but doing crossover dribbles, not actually moving side to side, just moving the ball from one side of their body to the other.

Speaker 5 And every time they bounce it, you thought they were going to bounce off their own kneecap or their shin. It was out of control.

Speaker 1 It was just hands and arms flying everywhere for 40 minutes and the ball just randomly bouncing out of bounds.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then a basket would get scored now and again.

Speaker 5 And then Alabama running the basketball equivalent of the spread offense.

Speaker 5 They're doing like some football shit out there.

Speaker 5 They like to go ISO. They like to run.
And when it works, it's nice, but they also don't play defense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I've been a critic of Alabama basketball because of our good friend Rico Bosco and his love affair with Nate Oates.

Speaker 1 They were watching them in the end of the season. They were soft.

Speaker 13 They got bullied down low.

Speaker 1 That Florida game in the SEC tournament was like Florida just absolutely dominated them with layups and just being like stronger than them.

Speaker 1 Alabama won this game because they were strong rebounding the ball because it was Grand Canyon up three.

Speaker 1 Alabama comes down, and they basically had two minutes where they were on their side of the court because they went make three throw, miss three throw, free throw, rebound, make free throw, miss free throw, rebound, and one.

Speaker 1 Like they just, they were able to outmuscle Grand Canyon.

Speaker 5 And then Grand Canyon would try to run back down and have the same pace that Alabama has. They would pull up and take the worst three-point shot that you've ever seen.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Hit off the front of the rim. Alabama gets the ball.
They're back down at the other end.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So Alabama deserves credit there.
Oh, we forgot. One other thing was Iowa State looks really, really good.
I want their coach so bad.

Speaker 7 He's from Wisconsin. Is he really?

Speaker 5 He looks like a Wisconsin guy.

Speaker 1 He looks like a wrestler.

Speaker 5 He looks like he's been out in the sun.

Speaker 5 He's been out in the sun and springtime drinking milk all day.

Speaker 1 I can tell, too, that that's like starting to bother because I've been included on some Twitter threads where Iowa State fans are like, he already has his dream job.

Speaker 1 And everyone's like, but he wants to go back. And I'm like, I don't want to get involved in this.

Speaker 19 But yeah, I want him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could get him. What could we do? You could have him.

Speaker 1 Does he want to be the president of Stella Blue Coffee?

Speaker 5 Would you make that happen? Easily.

Speaker 1 I've offered that job to way too many people, but that's fine. Whoever takes it first gets it.
I think I forgot it's a big T.

Speaker 5 Is he the most jacked basketball coach?

Speaker 1 Who?

Speaker 1 Basketball. Martin's still coaching.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Buzz is pretty jacked.

Speaker 1 Buzz is jacked. Yeah.
Buzz is absolutely jacked. Bruce Pearl, sneaky, kind of jacked.

Speaker 5 Barrel-chested. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Bruce Pearl went out sad.

Speaker 7 That Auburn, everyone's bracket got busted with Auburn.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was tough.

Speaker 2 The analytics darling.

Speaker 1 That was tough. Did you know Auburn was top five in both these things?

Speaker 1 I love the week leading up to the brackets where it's like, it's now just TikTok. You can't go one TikTok or Instagram scroll without some dude being like, I got the perfect formula.

Speaker 5 Yeah, everyone has a formula. Everyone does.

Speaker 1 And I believe them all.

Speaker 5 And every year they're wrong. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, these games are, I'm so excited for next weekend. What other games do we miss?

Speaker 5 Houston AM?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was incredible.

Speaker 1 I mean, Houston almost, like, that was, the fact that Houston let Texas AM get to overtime, that would have been an all-time, all-time, all-time, all-time March Madness loss.

Speaker 5 So they had a 99% win probability. Atlanta Falcons-like win probability with 44 seconds left.
I think what AM was down, was it 12 with 11?

Speaker 18 11 with 148, I think.

Speaker 5 11 with 148 left. And then somehow, through the magic of Wade, who just took every shot possible out there,

Speaker 5 they claw back, get to overtime, and then everyone on Houston fouled out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, Texas A ⁇ M had a, Buzz Williams coached a perfect game in the fact that he, from the very first whistle, their entire strategy was go to the hoop on every possession and make them foul you.

Speaker 2 And they did.

Speaker 5 But Shed was too good.

Speaker 2 I mean, that hop step by Shed

Speaker 1 where he just, I think he started almost at the three-point line and ended up in the lane for that bucket down the stretch. He was the only guy left.

Speaker 1 We had the guy who was sitting on the bench named Elvin. Elven came who had to come in and hit a free throw.
Elven is. Was that a name from our DD quests?

Speaker 5 Elven? No, like you can be, that's like elf-like, would be Elven. You can have Elven.

Speaker 5 It's the Elven Wizard.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
That's Elf.

Speaker 5 So like you're cake, the Elf-like wizard, Elven.

Speaker 1 Elven.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Like, that means to, like, have qualities pertaining to an elf.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. All right.

Speaker 7 Who's going to be mad that we didn't mention them?

Speaker 2 Yukon's the fucking best.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Okay.
So let's just suck Yukon's dick real quick. UConn is going to win the national championship.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're doing the same thing again. I mean, the San Diego State will be definitely a step up from Northwestern and Stetson.
Yeah. But I have no, I think they'll kill him.

Speaker 5 I want to be very clear. UConn is going to win the national championship.
Also going to win the national championship. UNC is going to win the national championship.

Speaker 5 Arizona is going to win the national championship. Gonzaga is going to win it.
Purdue is going to win the national championship.

Speaker 2 NC State's the team of Destiny.

Speaker 5 Marquette's going to win the national championship. NC State is the team of Destiny.
They're probably going to lose at some point.

Speaker 1 Houston is a tough out.

Speaker 5 I think Houston's going to win the national championship. And also, Duke.

Speaker 1 Duke's playing great ball right now.

Speaker 5 The way they shot. Duke's playing great ball.
Duke is going to win the national championship.

Speaker 1 Purdue is also going to win the national championship. Oh, yeah.
I forgot about that. Virginia last, you know, when Virginia lost to Sweet 16.

Speaker 5 Purdue's going to win the national.

Speaker 1 It's in the script. Yep.

Speaker 2 Creighton's going to, if Creighton hits their threes, they will probably win the national championship.

Speaker 5 Tennessee and Rick Barnes.

Speaker 1 Actually, the only, to go full circle on this, the only team that's not going to win the national championship is the team we disrespected going into the tournament.

Speaker 1 Clemson will not win the national championship. Yeah, there's zero chance.

Speaker 13 And now they will.

Speaker 1 No, it's not. Now they will.

Speaker 5 If that happens, I'll get a cat.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. That's exciting.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to, yeah. I think they will just because we said they won't.

Speaker 21 They're not.

Speaker 5 Clemson's not going to win. I'm reverting back to my initial take.
Clemson doesn't deserve to be here.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, Jake, what do you got for one shining moment or just, you know, what announcer did a good job? What was that announcer thy mother fucked on Saturday night?

Speaker 18 Andrew Cottalon.

Speaker 1 Piece of shit. No, piece of shit.
Wrong. Wrong.

Speaker 1 He called a technical foul. No, what did he call? Yeah, he called it.
Did he say there was a technical foul? And then he's like, oh, there wasn't.

Speaker 5 I forget.

Speaker 5 There's been so many things that I've gotten mad at.

Speaker 20 You can't do that. Adam Lefko is kind of stealing your swag.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I know him personally. He's a good guy.
He's a good guy.

Speaker 1 But he's been watching the games. Yeah.

Speaker 20 A little bit. And there's been a few times where I'm like, I have to do a second glance because I'm like, is that Big Kat? And it's like, no.

Speaker 1 Listen. Wait, it's

Speaker 5 the fact, like, how's he stealing his swag?

Speaker 7 He looks kind of like my advisors.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's got the...

Speaker 1 He's got a turtleneck and the... Yeah.
Yeah. By the way.
He kind of looks like me.

Speaker 5 It's just Lefco. I don't know if you've heard him talk after the games on TNT are over.
He says, welcome back. It's me, Lefco.

Speaker 1 I love that. He's a good dude.

Speaker 21 But yeah, that's all right. You know,

Speaker 5 it's like share, one name.

Speaker 20 Yeah, that was my only other. That was just my observation over the weekend.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but

Speaker 1 I like Lefco. We're like long-lost brothers.
So he did a good job. It's respect.
All right, so Jake, tell us what we missed.

Speaker 18 Yeah, so Florida, Colorado, entering the weekend, that was the game of the tournament. Walter Clayton, hit three to tie it at 100.

Speaker 17 Yes.

Speaker 18 And then Colorado hit a jumper to win it 102-100 in regulation. You never see that in college.

Speaker 1 That hung on the rim, right? That one? Yeah. This is fun.
This is a trip down memory lane because it's like I watched all these games, but I do remember that. That one was like the Kawhi shot.

Speaker 18 Yes, exactly. Same song.

Speaker 1 Who was that shot against?

Speaker 1 I think Team was that.

Speaker 14 Let's go to the next one.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 18 Yale stuns Auburn. Nebraska's Tomanaga getting emotional.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, Tomanaga,

Speaker 1 that was the best five minutes that Nebraska basketball has ever played. And then they got absolutely dogwalked.

Speaker 5 It's just crazy to me that Nebraska, a school that big with such a good athletic department overall, has never won a tournament game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they never won a tournament. It's crazy.

Speaker 18 Grand Canyon's win over St. Mary's was dominant.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 17 That was Friday. Yep.

Speaker 18 Dante, you mentioned Alioop. We had a halftime buzzer beater from Clemson today, so more flowers to Clemson.

Speaker 1 For a halftime buzzer beater?

Speaker 7 Yeah, a halftime buzzer beater.

Speaker 1 Just giving out the beat. I'm going to say no flowers for that.

Speaker 5 Giving out the moment's left and right.

Speaker 1 Halftime buzzer beater, no.

Speaker 18 And then A ⁇ M Miracle forces OT.

Speaker 1 And then what about your One Shining Moment? That was the...

Speaker 1 Oh, you think Clemson halftime buzzer beater's going to be on One Shining Moment? Yeah. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 17 It was a deep one.

Speaker 5 Was that their signature moment?

Speaker 9 They had the announcer call.

Speaker 1 What about Oregon's in the first game on Thursday? Halftime Buzzer Beater. Yeah, I have that.
Oh,

Speaker 1 Okay. What do you have? What do you have? No, no, no.

Speaker 1 On Thursday. Oh, no.
Halftime buzzer beater. I don't have that.

Speaker 7 So not all halftime buzzer beaters are built the same.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 What moment do you have in the JMU Wisconsin game?

Speaker 17 I don't know if I have to go. That's probably

Speaker 9 one of our 75 turnovers?

Speaker 18 Yeah, I don't have any specific moments.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's it. I'm sure there's going to be some 75.
That's probably just like you guys hitting a three. What about that guy you like celebrating after?

Speaker 18 The guy in the stands yelling at the other guy in the tucks?

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 18 What about that guy shutting the fuck up yeah okay yeah that's good we could create our own what have you how would you grade this tournament jake so i've compared this tournament a lot to the 2019 tournament where virginia won it all also good news for purdue where it was mostly chalk in the first weekend we had all ones and twos advance which this time i think it's like the fifth or sixth time ever we've had that to the suite 16.

Speaker 17 um but

Speaker 18 in that second weekend we had some crazy games remember that purdue tennessee suite 16 game I think Ryan Klein was his name.

Speaker 17 He dropped like 40.

Speaker 18 It went to overtime, I think. And then the Elite 8 game was the famous Virginia Purdue game with Mamedi Di Aquite.

Speaker 1 I like how you said that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 He was ready.

Speaker 17 Correctly.

Speaker 18 And then they won it all. So I think we're lining up to have an incredible Sweet 16 and Elite 8.

Speaker 1 Come on. Shot.

Speaker 5 It's going to be a great week to look at the logos that are playing against each other this upcoming weekend.

Speaker 18 Because think about it. If it was UConn Yale, no disrespect to Yale, it's like, all right.

Speaker 5 The battle for Connecticut.

Speaker 17 Yeah, that would have been a storyline in Boston, but they would have won by 20.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they would have been killed.

Speaker 18 And they might still beat San Diego State by 20, but at least you have the storyline of the championship rematch and all of that.

Speaker 1 How about that Yale big sweater guy?

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 Good for him. He had some huge shoulders.
He's on the moment, right, Jake?

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's got to be.
Yeah, that's a moment. He's got to be.

Speaker 5 That's for sure a moment, guys.

Speaker 17 Also, what'd you count four?

Speaker 1 Four.

Speaker 1 Underwhelming. That part's underwhelming.
Not great.

Speaker 5 Have we figured out what to call it? Because there was one of the hoops on Thursday. Yeah.
The net was too tight. The net was so tight that the ball was getting stuck in a net.

Speaker 18 Loosen them up, but whatever.

Speaker 1 What do you call those?

Speaker 18 I think

Speaker 18 Megan said netters, maybe.

Speaker 5 Netters. Be careful with that.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Why?

Speaker 5 Just don't say that one again.

Speaker 5 Okay. You pronounce things very well, but just to be safe.
Oh. Yeah, just to be safe.

Speaker 1 that's that's a good list though jake it's been a fun tournament i'm excited for yeah it's definitely not the most chaotic opening weekend we've seen but still the kentucky game like that's

Speaker 5 kentucky's got to look at this sweet 16 and be like it's all all our old friends are there still yeah we're not yeah tough tough day for kentucky yeah seeing that um kentucky and and kansas yeah the kansas won it all two years ago so yeah there was and bill self was worried about next year there was a yeah put me down actually i want to i want to do a future on kansas for next season no i actually Bill Self's already looking ahead.

Speaker 1 Someone. Hold on.
You ready for this?

Speaker 1 Kansas might return four starters next year. Here's how Bill Self did when that happens.

Speaker 1 21-22 national champions, 15-60, number one overall seed, 09-010, or 10, number one overall seed, 07-08, national champs, 06-07, number one overall seed.

Speaker 5 Yeah, see, Bill Self is thinking about next year, so I'm thinking about next year. Yeah.
Next year, this was the season.

Speaker 1 They're going to be a really good team next year.

Speaker 5 This was the the season before the season for Kansas.

Speaker 5 There was a person online, Pranav Sreman, that asked an interesting question that I thought I'd bring up to embrace debate here.

Speaker 5 They said, who's the worst NBA player that could lead the worst team in the tournament to the final?

Speaker 5 Oh. Like, who's the worst NBA player that could take, who's the worst team in the tournament?

Speaker 1 To the final?

Speaker 5 Yeah, or to win the championship. Who's the worst team?

Speaker 18 I think it was Stetson or Howard.

Speaker 5 Or UVA?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, UVA.

Speaker 5 Who's the worst player in the NBA that that you could put on UVA and have them win the national championship? I think I know my answer.

Speaker 13 Because there's only like maybe like three or four guys.

Speaker 1 Oh, I think there's way more than that. To take

Speaker 5 that could take the worst team and beat every other team with that.

Speaker 1 I don't know. The NBA players are so much better than college.

Speaker 5 I know.

Speaker 5 Sam Hauser?

Speaker 1 Yeah, probably. Think about it.

Speaker 18 He's the best player, and they're saying he's going to be a what, fringe first-rounder?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know if even that, yeah.

Speaker 18 And he's the best player right now.

Speaker 1 Campaign.

Speaker 5 You think Campaign could win, could lead UVA? I do too, just off vibes.

Speaker 7 Just based off vibes.

Speaker 1 Bobby Portis.

Speaker 1 Bobby Portis. No, it would need to be like Virginia.
It would be a scorer.

Speaker 5 You'd have to score with ultimate test because

Speaker 20 it's such a weird system to play in.

Speaker 5 I think you lean into it. You lean into the defensive pressure.

Speaker 1 But wait, there's you, there's

Speaker 1 more than, like, I mean,

Speaker 1 Luca, Tatum, LeBron, probably Anthony Davis,

Speaker 2 Jokic.

Speaker 5 If you want to lean into the UVA-ness of it all, put Pat Bev on that team.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 I mean, imagine Embiid playing college basketball.

Speaker 12 It would be Wilt. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, there's so many guys who would just dominate.
Wimby.

Speaker 5 Wemby. Nobody could stop Wimby.

Speaker 5 There's not a team in college basketball right now that could do a goddamn thing about Victor Wimbinyama.

Speaker 1 Someone did say something very mean where they're like, Zach Eady is exactly like Victor Wembanyama, minus like the shot making, the versatility, the handles, the speed,

Speaker 1 the skill. That was mean.

Speaker 5 The tallness is there. The tallness is.
You can't coach tall.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I think there's a lot. I mean, it's not.
I think it's more than 15 or 20. Kawhi? I say dominate.

Speaker 5 I was thinking about Kawhi earlier, but he would dominate for sure, but could you just rely on him to single-handedly?

Speaker 1 I don't know how many you'd have to triple team him. Steph? Steph almost

Speaker 9 with Davidson.

Speaker 5 But Steph doesn't count because he's one of the best players in the NBA that could do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I'm just saying there's you said there's only four players that could do it.

Speaker 5 I think there's like four.

Speaker 1 I think there's like five, 20 plus easy.

Speaker 5 I mean, the NBA is way better. I know that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just, all these guys think he'd be.

Speaker 5 Oh, Giannis would be a good thing. Check out this would be a fucking problem.
He'd be a problem.

Speaker 1 He would dominate everyone. It would be a joke watching it.

Speaker 5 I'd like to see that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, yeah, I just think, because then what do you do?

Speaker 2 You put like three guys on him, and then you just have everyone else stand around and shoot.

Speaker 12 Think of it, this Jimmer almost did it by himself.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And he sucked.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but he was good.

Speaker 1 Great point.

Speaker 17 Golkie be Kentucky.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. It's a great point.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think you put a lot of guys on UVA and they would fuck everyone up pretty bad.

Speaker 1 Especially because UVA could actually play defense, so then you just add one more defensive stopper. No one would score on him, and then you just have that one guy score all the points.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think UVA is probably the wrong example to use for that one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But, like, Longwood.

Speaker 1 Still,

Speaker 1 you put LeBron on Longwood, and they're in the final four for sure.

Speaker 5 And it would be so much fun to see. I don't know if LeBron can play college ball.

Speaker 1 That's why the coolest thing LeBron could have ever done for his career is just go to Akron for one year.

Speaker 2 And just be like, how deep could we take it?

Speaker 5 It would have been perfect just so that we could know. So we could know the answer to that question.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it would also be great if we just, we should just do a tournament like this.

Speaker 1 Someone should fund this tournament where every team that's in the tournament, we just replay the tournament again, but everyone gets to add an NBA player.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Adam Silver, you get all your ideas from the internet. Here's a good one.
Make it legal for NBA players to go and play one season in college after they've been in the league for like 10 years.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's my rule of bringing a graduate back.

Speaker 5 No, not even that. Like the guy that goes

Speaker 5 a different rule because the guy goes straight to the NBA and then they get to to choose what college they want to play for one season.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it would be sick. Yeah.

Speaker 7 It would be awesome to watch.

Speaker 1 Okay, anything else? Hank, you enjoy it?

Speaker 13 I feel like you were...

Speaker 1 Do you have a good time?

Speaker 20 I had a good time. My Mega Max Locke Purdue was a miraculous backdoor cover.

Speaker 20 So that was fun. Saturday night was fun.
Sunday wasn't as fun.

Speaker 1 But I still have fun. You see, that's the thing.

Speaker 20 I'm excited for good Su-Succeed matchups, and I hope we get a good Final Four.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's just because March Madness is something that is so ingrained in my head that I lose money no matter what. That like when people are like, oh, all you care about is your bets.

Speaker 1 You decide if it's fun if you win or lose. I lost all my bets.
I had a lot of fun. Like, I enjoyed watching basketball for four days.
I enjoyed the moments. None of it ended up good for me.

Speaker 20 I also lost my job Friday night, so that wasn't as fun.

Speaker 1 No, you didn't.

Speaker 5 You got fired? I did for a second. And then you kept showing up?

Speaker 20 We were on the precipice.

Speaker 5 You mountained it?

Speaker 1 He just kept on asking me the same question. I gave him the same answer over and over and over.

Speaker 5 It was a question.

Speaker 1 He was just like, will you be mad if i go hard and i was like yes i care a lot about my team so wait so did hank at any point go hard no because we had we tasked we we didn't say a word we figured it out that it wasn't it would not make sense i was like everyone wants to tune in to watch me die i will die and you know i'll be tortured and then i was gonna die and then i died and was tortured everyone watched me biz was was biz obviously you know yeah golden retriever he's like what are we taking i was like i think a lot of people are taking jmu

Speaker 20 and that set big cat off.

Speaker 1 Well, Hank also touched me and was like, did the DraftKings huddle up and was like, what do we think about JMU guys?

Speaker 7 And touched me. He is touchy.

Speaker 1 He touches me and it's a technical foul. I wanted that on the record technical foul if he touches me.
He's been touching me a lot.

Speaker 21 Yeah, Hank gets very much.

Speaker 1 Non-consensual touching should not be allowed in that setting.

Speaker 5 He gets very feely. Max, is it okay that I kissed you on Friday?

Speaker 12 Yeah, it was good.

Speaker 12 Good act. That's a game time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Max had a fucking vacation weekend. Well, no, Max knee dive on the company.

Speaker 5 Max was working hard, working hard, got some great clips out there.

Speaker 1 That was my lowest moment when I was just like, Max just fucking

Speaker 1 burns our money going to New York. It was $300.
No, I said it was my lowest.

Speaker 7 I said it was my lowest moment.

Speaker 1 No one was even listening to me when I said it.

Speaker 23 I was appalled.

Speaker 1 What were you appalled about?

Speaker 5 I thought Max did a great job. He did do a great job.

Speaker 1 A great job. Can I just

Speaker 2 do a never be mad at Max?

Speaker 5 A quick PSA because I was just thinking about the game.

Speaker 5 Love seeing the fans out in public. If you're an AWL, love saying hi to love taking pictures, all that stuff.

Speaker 5 One small request, though.

Speaker 5 If I'm actually peeing and my penis is out and I'm out of urinal, can we wait for 15 minutes?

Speaker 1 I disagree. It's a Friday Night March Madness game.

Speaker 7 I think that's all bets are on.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I just, yeah, okay.

Speaker 5 I think they get to touch it if they want.

Speaker 1 You don't even let Hick catch your arm.

Speaker 1 like grabbing our dicks.

Speaker 1 We don't do that.

Speaker 1 We don't do that. We're getting our dicks grabbed.

Speaker 5 Well, okay, so it's not just, it's not for me. Don't do that.
It's not for me, but it's for the other three guys that were standing next to me also taking a piss.

Speaker 5 And there's a guy just with his camera out being like, PFT, take a picture. And then the three guys are like, you're taking a picture of me while I'm pissing.

Speaker 15 Yeah, that's fair. That's a fair request.

Speaker 1 I think that's a fair request. That's a fair request.

Speaker 5 If I'm shitting and you put your phone over the top of the stall and get a picture of me, that's one because that's just me.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's everybody else.

Speaker 15 Yeah, it's a fair request.

Speaker 1 You agree?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 What's up, Hank? What's wrong? You just losing today? No, I'm good.

Speaker 5 Hank's not good. He's not good.
Hank, you're hiding something. I can always tell.

Speaker 5 What's on your mind, Hank?

Speaker 20 There's nothing on my mind.

Speaker 14 What's wrong?

Speaker 5 Come on, you're on the psychiatrist's couch over there.

Speaker 1 Nothing.

Speaker 5 What's wrong? No, there's something. There's something wrong.

Speaker 1 Are you talking to Tiff right now?

Speaker 1 Are you talking to Tiff? I'm Ben talking to Tiff. Ben.
Whoa. What is wrong, though?

Speaker 5 There's nothing nothing wrong with it. No, there's something on your mind that you haven't said.
Nothing wrong.

Speaker 11 Are you still scared of Big Cat?

Speaker 20 I'm focused. I'm not.

Speaker 1 We came back together yesterday. I literally saw him one second.
I was like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 I think he's scared.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 20 I think he's scared. I took my medicine earlier.
That's usually what it is

Speaker 1 in this situation. All right, never mind.

Speaker 1 Nothing is wrong.

Speaker 14 Then nothing is wrong.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's nice enough. I'm focused.
He's focused. He's very focused.

Speaker 6 Something's wrong.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think so.

Speaker 20 That explains it all. That's the conversation.
Very focused. Pretty much every time.

Speaker 5 When I I came to that. That is true.

Speaker 1 Every time you take your medicine, we're like, dude, what's fucking wrong with you? And you're like, nothing. I took the medication I'm prescribed to take.
And we're like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when Hank's healthy, we're like, what the fuck? It really does go like that.

Speaker 20 Well, it's like, yeah, I'm usually, you know, I have ADHD and I'll have, you know, say things or be a little more outgoing. And then when I take my medicine, I'm just quiet.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then we're like, what the fuck's wrong with you? Yeah. Actually, I do.

Speaker 20 And the resting anger face, that's where it gets me.

Speaker 5 My perfect Hank is when he hasn't slept for like three days. Yeah.
And he just has no idea what's coming out of his mouth and just lets it fly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like that person.

Speaker 7 My perfect hank is after he does comedy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All the way to the world office.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Feeling like a new man.

Speaker 5 There was a moment when I came into the office on Saturday when we were starting the stream.

Speaker 5 I came straight from the airport and I got in the door and it was like a morgue in the office because the mood from last night on Friday was apparently.

Speaker 1 Well, we lost everything and then I lost everything. Yeah.
it was bad we we could not have I don't think anyone won a single thing on Friday

Speaker 1 well actually you did yeah JMU Fridell

Speaker 20 no it was we went and Purdue no Purdue Friday I was ranking high Purdue Purdue we went that Purdue cover was was I I don't think anyone else really had it I you know it was for me

Speaker 20 miraculous just when it was a it was a walk-on guy that never plays hit a three when it didn't matter yeah we and we went back to back on Friday night where we got all whooped up for Will in Nebraska.

Speaker 5 What do you mean, whooped up?

Speaker 9 Like, everyone was like, let's go, Nebraska.

Speaker 1 Like, let's do this. And then it was just

Speaker 5 so bad. Did you bet on Nebraska?

Speaker 1 Yes, just for Will. Yes.
Literally, I was like, all week, I was like, I think Texas and AM is a better team. They're going to win this game.

Speaker 1 And I was like, you know what? I said the quote, and I'll say it again, and I actually believe this. I will never be someone who wins money gambling.

Speaker 2 I have to be rich in friends.

Speaker 1 So like that's, that was my whole plan. Was like, I'm not,

Speaker 2 winners are never going to happen for me. Friendship is more important.

Speaker 1 So, I was, I fucking put on a fucking headband and I was like, let's do it.

Speaker 21 And then it just, whoof, fell flat so fast.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that sounds like

Speaker 5 sounds like bad vibes there. I'm actually glad I wasn't there on Friday because it would have been, it would have been weird if everybody was losing everything.

Speaker 5 And then I'm just like the happiest I've ever been watching a basketball game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 It was, it was tough. It was tough.

Speaker 2 But that's March. And I, I bounced back a day later.

Speaker 1 I'm, I was back here just doing the thing.

Speaker 9 But yeah, it just sucks that sports.

Speaker 1 I wish I didn't care as much as I cared. I am jealous of people who can compartmentalize and not let it bother them.
I care a lot. And it just fucking sucks.
I mean,

Speaker 2 today

Speaker 1 you were down.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I was down. But also in the grand scheme of things, house money.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, you got a win.

Speaker 5 I did not expect to be there. Got a big win.
Probably the biggest in program history. And got to see it.
So I was feeling good. I was feeling good.
I'll feel better tomorrow.

Speaker 5 Now I'm a little bit down. But in the grand scheme of things, it's like this was a good march for me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 When Hank loses,

Speaker 1 it really doesn't talk. Yeah.
He wins the show. Yeah.

Speaker 13 So, I mean, everyone deals with their losses different ways.

Speaker 1 Hank, are you okay? I'm good. You also pick cat.

Speaker 20 I mean, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 Oh, here it comes. Here it comes.
All right. Here it comes.
Hanko, Hank. Finally.

Speaker 20 There was a point when

Speaker 20 you were lashing out and you were like, fuck everyone that's texting me. Fuck you, Max Homa.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Fuck you, Con.
Well, these people are going to be a little bit more than that. I would never do this.

Speaker 13 You do that all the time.

Speaker 1 No, I don't. When have I done that? When have I texted you right after a lot? We have to do a show.

Speaker 1 We have to do a show. We have to do a show.

Speaker 20 How many times have you texted that?

Speaker 14 Oh, no. Oh, wait.
Wait, a regular text.

Speaker 1 Now, that game?

Speaker 5 That's with Max.

Speaker 5 It does happen all the time, but only to Max.

Speaker 7 But are we talking about playoffs?

Speaker 1 Because, first of all, we're watching playoffs together.

Speaker 20 But, like, if it's, yeah, a Celtics game, if the Celtics blue.

Speaker 1 In the playoffs. I've done that.
I've texted you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know. I don't specifically.

Speaker 13 I don't think that's true.

Speaker 1 I totally would. I do not think that's true.
And I also don't text random people.

Speaker 1 Like, you and I, like, our relationship is different than fucking Spencer Hawes, who I haven't talked to in a year, just texting me out of nowhere talking shit. That's a weird move.

Speaker 1 Captain Collins is not going to talk to him for a year.

Speaker 1 Would you text someone that you don't talk to regularly

Speaker 1 in the middle of a bad loss? But wait, big chat. I would.
Big hat, big chat. I do not text.

Speaker 5 I'm not sure if he also texted you individually, but he texted the group chat that we're on where he's.

Speaker 1 No, he added Frank Kaminsky.

Speaker 5 Where he says things about part of my take.

Speaker 1 I understand, but he added Frank Kaminski and he started a new group chat.

Speaker 1 I do not tell when someone's losing in the middle of a game, I do not text them in the middle of the game like a person I don't talk to.

Speaker 1 Is that not?

Speaker 1 Do I do that?

Speaker 23 I don't talk to.

Speaker 1 I don't talk. I was listening to people who I don't talk to regularly.
Rascillo tried to talk. And they just started FaceTime.

Speaker 5 Rascillo tried to FaceTime. And I do not think that

Speaker 20 in the middle, this was in the middle of that.

Speaker 1 And it's, I do, and

Speaker 5 I was like, Ryan, hang up your phone. Like, please don't FaceTime right now.
He's like, he's not going to pick up.

Speaker 1 Like, even the Stanford Steve's SUP thing, like that's a regular season game. If someone wanted to talk shit during a regular season game, I don't care.

Speaker 1 Scott, when Scott texts me after Maryland beats Wisconsin, I don't care.

Speaker 8 A tournament game,

Speaker 1 it sucked.

Speaker 1 It sucked.

Speaker 1 But I didn't want to respond.

Speaker 1 Also, I didn't expect that.

Speaker 8 There is a maximum to this.

Speaker 1 I just didn't respond.

Speaker 5 There is a max exception because those texts do happen, but strictly with Max.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's probably fair. But that also, you do that, you do that.

Speaker 20 Yeah, I do.

Speaker 20 yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 But would you ever text someone who you don't talk to regularly during a bad loss talking shit?

Speaker 1 That is a crazy move to me.

Speaker 20 If it was like a friend, like if I, yeah, if it was a friend that

Speaker 20 maybe you haven't talked to in a year, but like if the time was right, I might still.

Speaker 1 I think that's a crazy move. And like Twitter's totally different because you can just not look at Twitter.

Speaker 7 Like, I know I'm going to get shit on Twitter.

Speaker 1 Who cares about Twitter? The text feels personal when someone texts you in the middle of a torture.

Speaker 20 Like, if I have a friend that went to Virginia Tech that, like, we don't talk day to day about it.

Speaker 1 You would do that?

Speaker 1 I don't think I would. I would wait a day, and then I would talk shit.

Speaker 5 Did you text Matt Jones from Kentucky during the loss?

Speaker 13 No.

Speaker 1 Okay. Fuck no.

Speaker 13 That would be crazy.

Speaker 20 Circumstantially, I'm not going to say I wouldn't.

Speaker 13 I guess maybe.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I just can't think of the time where I've done that.
to someone I don't regularly talk to. The only exception being if my team's playing their team.

Speaker 1 If BFD texts me, that's totally fine.

Speaker 7 If it's

Speaker 1 like that's that makes sense. If your team is involved, but like third-party out of nowhere texted, I haven't talked to this person in months.
I'm like, I'm not responding to that.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I didn't do, I didn't, like, it wasn't like I responded, fuck you, don't ever talk to me again. I'm just not responding.
Yeah. Would you respond to that?

Speaker 7 Would you text someone you don't talk to?

Speaker 5 I, I, well, so Morty texted me during this game, but he's a Duke fan. Right.
And then I was just like, I don't want to.

Speaker 1 That's kind of expected. Yeah, you lashed out.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I just said, why is he texting me? I don't want to respond to this. But no, it's if your team's playing the other person's team,

Speaker 5 I think that's totally fair. But yeah, we should just clarify that with Max.

Speaker 1 That's fine.

Speaker 5 Max does not apply to these rules. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Max, what would you do? We get 90% of our joy on this podcast out of doing that exact thing to Max.

Speaker 2 Would you text a random person you haven't talked to in a while?

Speaker 7 And again, it's not like I hate these people.

Speaker 1 I'm just not going to respond.

Speaker 12 There's one kid in particular that I'm thinking of that I would.

Speaker 1 So it sounds like everyone has one.

Speaker 7 Mine's Max.

Speaker 5 It sounds like you're a lot of people's one person.

Speaker 7 Well, yeah, I know it's coming.

Speaker 9 When everyone shits on my throat, I know it's coming.

Speaker 1 I can deal with it.

Speaker 24 The text just feels personal.

Speaker 7 So I'm just not going to respond.

Speaker 5 When Homer texted us, I just wanted to respond to be polite, but I did not expect you to respond to it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I also will text someone during a loss being like, you're not going to be able to do it.
And texting both of you changed it as well.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, I get it. I get the joke.

Speaker 1 I got the joke. I'll text someone

Speaker 1 consoling them. Like when Titus, when that, when

Speaker 1 Ohio State lost that game in the Big Ten Championship, I texted him like an hour later. I was like, the foul discrepancy is insane.
Like, you guys got fucked.

Speaker 5 Actually, this was a funny text from Max Oma.

Speaker 5 This is to me and Big Cat at 9.30.

Speaker 9 I thought it was kind of vanilla.

Speaker 5 Hey, just wanted to let you know I'm watching the game and I'm rooting for your team. I know he'll be bad, but that makes it even better.
Oh, shoot. I didn't mean to send this to both of you guys.

Speaker 1 That's like, all right.

Speaker 5 I mean, you do that all the time. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 With Rico, yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah. All right, so that's what was on your.
What else?

Speaker 2 What else are you mad at me for?

Speaker 1 Not that no. It seems like you're very mad.

Speaker 1 I get it.

Speaker 20 That was my only note. My only note.
We did come to it.

Speaker 20 We had a long conversation before.

Speaker 20 The outburst was pre-game, which I thought were still

Speaker 20 within the lines of.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I thought that Hank did something the laws of engagement.

Speaker 1 No, he just asked me over and over in the kitchen, will you be mad if I go really hard? And I said yes over and over. And then he'd ask me a different way, and I'd say yes.

Speaker 1 And it was we had the same conversation for maybe 20 minutes where I was like, I don't know how I can answer this differently. Then I care a lot.
I really want to win this game.

Speaker 5 So you got pre-mad at him.

Speaker 1 Well, because it was like I was talking to, like, he was just basically going to ask the question until I was like, you know what? I don't care. But it was never going to happen.

Speaker 5 But the irony in this is that Big Cat did actually get mad at you for asking him if he would get mad at you.

Speaker 1 Because he asked me so many times.

Speaker 5 You asked him if he would get mad too many times.

Speaker 1 So many times that it was like, I can't, I don't, there's nothing I can do here. We're not going to ever see I die.

Speaker 23 But that was, you know, months ago at this point.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I moved on.

Speaker 9 When I saw you, I was like, I can't be mad at you.

Speaker 21 I saw your face.

Speaker 9 Cute ass face on Saturday morning.

Speaker 8 Oh, see,

Speaker 5 you went to bed mad.

Speaker 1 I went to bed in the worst mood ever.

Speaker 5 You never go to bed mad.

Speaker 1 I feel like I'm pretty good for a really, really bad mood for about 12 hours after a bad loss, and then I can move on. Isn't that not fair?

Speaker 7 Can we all agree that's fair? Yeah.

Speaker 1 That feels like it's a fair thing to do.

Speaker 13 12 hours, 24 hours?

Speaker 1 I mean, Hank, you are in a bad mood when you lose.

Speaker 14 Yeah, obviously. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 That's not, yeah, that's natural.

Speaker 7 We just have to sometimes get on here and talk about it.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 2 I would have talked about it on Friday night if we had the show, and it would have been similar.

Speaker 1 We suck.

Speaker 5 It would have been a bad show if we had done that.

Speaker 5 I thought about hitting you guys up and be like, time capsule.

Speaker 1 Should we record something? It would have been the same thing. It would have just been, we suck.
That That sucked. It was torture.

Speaker 5 No, but I would have been so happy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, you still were happy today.

Speaker 5 I was happy. I came in happy.

Speaker 1 I woke up happy this morning. Yeah, you were happy yesterday.
I was happy. I got all your happiness.

Speaker 5 I've been happy for the last week and a half. Sports has made me happy every day for the last week and a half.
And now sports has made me sad. Not me.

Speaker 8 Everything sucks.

Speaker 1 Everything fucking sucks.

Speaker 19 I feel like Max.

Speaker 2 Max, I would have rather had Max's way out. The NIT would have been way better.

Speaker 13 No one gives a fuck.

Speaker 1 Wisconsin went to to the final four of the NIT last year. No one gave a fuck.

Speaker 7 It's so much better to not have

Speaker 2 a very public, everyone's watching your failure.

Speaker 1 And the Friday night time slot is the worst.

Speaker 5 Because we had to wait for a few days.

Speaker 1 We had to wait. And then, and then it's like all everyone thinks about after

Speaker 2 the conclusion of the first round is that.

Speaker 1 And everyone's like, man, that was bad. Yeah.
And I just sat there with it.

Speaker 5 Or if you're good, you're like, man, that was bad. Yeah, no, he's grateful.
And then you do something dumb like put a bet on JMU to win the national championship right afterwards. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I did get one guy, one email from a guy.

Speaker 5 Now I have to look at that future for the rest of the tournament. That's brutal.
Because it doesn't cash out or it doesn't cancel out until, yeah.

Speaker 1 I got an email from one guy who was like, the Badgers suck and I hope you die and your kids die. And I was like, that felt a little far.
But everyone else was totally fair to just shit on me.

Speaker 1 I deserved it. My team was an embarrassment to watch.
And I'm sorry that people had to watch it.

Speaker 7 That's how bad I felt.

Speaker 1 When you have to say sorry to, we were watching in the cave. I had to move it to the little TV.
Yeah. Because I was like, I don't want you guys to have to watch this anymore.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 We did that today with the Duke JMU game, too. It was bad.
It's embarrassing. It was bad.

Speaker 2 All right, so it seems like we're good, Hank.

Speaker 1 You were holding that in for a long time.

Speaker 1 We got it out.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I could tell that something.

Speaker 13 Yeah, no, I could too.

Speaker 5 I mean, that's just not true, but we're good.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And now we're on to bigger and better things. You got your beloved Duke.

Speaker 1 Yeah, now you're Duke. Now you're Duke.
Duke, I want Hank. I want Dukey Hank back.

Speaker 5 Hank's just taking off a series of masks. And the first one, he's just ripped off the J-Mu mask.
I'm a Duke fan all along.

Speaker 1 I love Duke Hank as electric. Let's go to the Final Four, Duke Hank.
Fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 Just get the jumpsuit back.

Speaker 20 I actually got rid of my Duke stuff when I moved, or I had one sweatshirt left, and it didn't make the cut.

Speaker 5 I think that if Duke loses to Houston, you should have to jump in that pool.

Speaker 8 And put a new hole in her.

Speaker 8 And then run to the shower.

Speaker 20 I'm going to Dallas, but we'll see.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're going to Dallas, buddy.

Speaker 5 You got to jump in the pool and then run through the house to the shower

Speaker 5 and try not to fall.

Speaker 1 You have a tea time in Dallas?

Speaker 14 Here.

Speaker 20 It's going to be like 70 degrees.

Speaker 5 No, tea time means like Tiffany. It's an abbreviation.
It's got tea time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it did snow. That was the other, it snowed on Friday here.
And I was just like, I woke up and I was like, fucking Hank. Yeah.

Speaker 8 But he's right. It's been a mild winter.

Speaker 21 He has called it.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do who's back of the week and then we'll get to our interviews.

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Speaker 1 Who's back of the week? Hank.

Speaker 20 My who's back of the week is rat beef.

Speaker 5 Rap beef or rat beef?

Speaker 1 Rap beef. Rap beef.

Speaker 20 I'm sure you guys are caught up. I'm very interested to hear whose side you're on between future, Kendrick Lamar, J.
Cole, Drake.

Speaker 1 Say it again. Give us our options again.
Future, Kendrick Lamar,

Speaker 20 Metro Boomin.

Speaker 1 Metro Boomin.

Speaker 1 Drake, J. Cole.

Speaker 5 I think I'm on Drake's side.

Speaker 1 I like Metro Boomin.

Speaker 1 Was that right?

Speaker 20 I mean, it's, you know, it's

Speaker 5 the beef. Stealer's choice.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Whose side are you on?

Speaker 20 I think I'm on Future and Kendrick.

Speaker 5 Oh, so it's 2v2?

Speaker 1 Shit, I should have said Future.

Speaker 5 I think it's really 2v1.

Speaker 20 So Future and Metro Boomin released an album that was basically all a response to Drake. And there was a song that Kendrick Lamar was featured on where he took direct shots at Drake.

Speaker 20 So it's kind of, you know, it's a Civil War situation. There's obviously interpersonal beefs in between the big beef, but.

Speaker 5 Drake is the big beef.

Speaker 20 It's basically Future and Metro Boom. I've seen the video.

Speaker 5 Got it.

Speaker 20 Apparently, it's over a girl, but who knows?

Speaker 1 Wait, so I picked Future by

Speaker 1 picking Metro Boomin.

Speaker 5 Okay. So you got two for one.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 5 Whose side are you on?

Speaker 1 He said Future. And Metro Boom.

Speaker 5 Man, Metro Boom.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 All right. I'm glad we got to the bottom of that.

Speaker 1 I now feel confident knowing that I can walk around.

Speaker 21 If someone asks me this question, I'm like, future.

Speaker 1 Drake.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 1 Damn, dude.

Speaker 23 Is this past of others? Is this the start?

Speaker 5 Hank, be careful who you root for. Be careful.
Hank, don't you fucking root for future in front of me.

Speaker 1 Be careful. You don't care about future.

Speaker 5 Be careful. By whose back of the week is Dosicero.
The U.S. men's national team won the, I think it's a three-peat for us in the CONCACAF Nations League Cup Final Trophy.

Speaker 5 I don't know, it's a made-up tournament that CONCACAF made up, but we beat Mexico 2-0, which is always awesome when we beat them 2-0. So, our team's really fucking good.
Our team's awesome.

Speaker 5 Tyler Adams is good. Our coach is a shithead.
Gio Rain is awesome, too. We got a really good team.

Speaker 5 I'm staying my prediction that we need to make it, if we don't make it to at least the quarterfinals in the next World Cup, massive disappointment.

Speaker 20 Is there soccer in the Olympics?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, there is. I don't know.

Speaker 1 Sure. Yeah.
No one really. What tournament was this?

Speaker 5 It was the Nations League Final Cup Trophy CONCACAF.

Speaker 26 No, thanks.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, it was, but USA winning Dosa Cerro was always good against Mexico.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I just

Speaker 2 say it again.

Speaker 7 Dosacero. No, no, no, I know that part.

Speaker 5 The trophy of the CONCACAF League of Nations final.

Speaker 1 If it's more than like four words, I'm out.

Speaker 5 I think the actual name for it is the CONCACAF Nations League Cup.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Anyways,

Speaker 5 it's a made-up tournament that happened

Speaker 5 a few years ago because that's what CONCACAF does, just to get more TV stuff. But we beat Mexico.
I like beating Mexico, and our young guys look awesome.

Speaker 5 Probably the goal of the year from Tyler Adams. He shot one from like 35 yards out.

Speaker 1 Fucking knuckleball rocket.

Speaker 5 It was great. Goal of the year.

Speaker 21 I'm buying stock. It's only in March.

Speaker 5 I'm buying stock. I'm buying stock in the national team.

Speaker 7 Okay, my who's back of the week is Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 1 We had the women's tournament start, and

Speaker 1 I am so excited for Caitlin Clark in Iowa to keep advancing because it's getting nuclear. Caitlin Clark head-butted a ball.

Speaker 1 A ball? Yeah.

Speaker 1 People were like, what a brat.

Speaker 5 Disgusting.

Speaker 1 I was like, what? How is that a brat? She was frustrated.

Speaker 5 Did she head-butted out of frustration or out of, was she?

Speaker 1 It was out of frustration. They were struggling with Holy Cross.

Speaker 1 They were up like 20.

Speaker 5 Was she mad at the ball?

Speaker 1 It's just, it's gotten to a point where I don't even know how people have found this much hate in their heart for someone.

Speaker 2 Again, I like it, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I do too, but it's out of control. Yeah.
I love it. Out of control.

Speaker 5 I actually love it. I love it when you can hate a female athlete enough to have takes on it for her.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 She has like Duke times 10 hate. Yeah.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 Also, women's sermon because Kim Mulkey did a press conference saying she's got a hit piece going against her, but it's not out yet.

Speaker 5 So it was an interesting strategy on her part. No idea what the article is going to be about.

Speaker 1 But I want to read it now.

Speaker 5 Now I want to read it. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 I did not care about this article until I heard about it because Kimulke did a press conference to talk about how no one should read the article that's going to come out. Yes, I would agree with that.

Speaker 5 Interesting strategy, Kim.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 18 Did you guys see the story from the referee in Chattanooga versus NC State Women?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 That was crazy.

Speaker 18 They pulled the ref at halftime because they realized that she went to school at Chattanooga.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she got her mask off there, right?

Speaker 5 Yeah, and you're supposed to disclose it, and she didn't disclose it beforehand.

Speaker 1 It's just crazy that they pulled her in the middle of the game. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I like that's a win for integrity, though. Absolutely.

Speaker 5 I wonder who found out about that. You know what?

Speaker 1 I bet.

Speaker 5 I bet it was somebody online. I bet somebody online, like a real freak, a real die-hard fan, was like, this ref is giving us the worst calls.

Speaker 1 I'm going to look up her bio.

Speaker 5 And then they're like, oh, shit, she actually went to that school. I bet it was like a golf thing where they called in the violation and they took action.

Speaker 18 Yeah, I don't know who alerted who in the middle of the game, but it happened.

Speaker 5 Respect. Oh, also, Donald Trump's back because he won another club championship this weekend.
Yeah, he. I just saw it.
Dude's the best golfer of all time. Deep field.
Deep field.

Speaker 5 It was a very golfing field, he said.

Speaker 1 I actually respect the fuck out of him just having tournaments that he wins because I would do the same thing. Yeah.
If I had my own club, I would just be like, yeah, let's all play.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to win.

Speaker 5 I won again.

Speaker 1 And I want everyone to do a gala for me after where I get my trophy. I think he won.

Speaker 5 He won a couple days ago, but now he's doing a big ceremony tonight, presenting himself with the trophy.

Speaker 5 That rocks yeah that's if you if you have a fuckload of money and you don't do stuff like that and you don't you either have to own a sports team yeah or you have to constantly dominate your friends at sports where you get to decide the rules i said that i've said this before but i i our old friend jared carabas uh if i was like a billionaire i'd build a uh

Speaker 1 i'd build a baseball field in my backyard and i would have

Speaker 1 I would pay him a million dollars where he had to pitch to me like whenever I wanted.

Speaker 2 I just call him up, be like, you got to come pitch to me, but he had to fucking let me just hit dingers off him.

Speaker 1 So every day I could just be like, I want to hit a few dingers. Call him up, and he's got to give me just the worst, and he's got to act like he's upset.

Speaker 2 And like, God damn it, not again.

Speaker 5 But wait, Big Cat, at the stadium that you would build, would you pay for your own fucking stadium?

Speaker 1 I would pay for my own fucking stadium. It'd be so sick.
It'd probably be Wiffleball, if I'm being honest.

Speaker 5 Oh, I love Wiffle Ball fields that look like Major League Baseball fields.

Speaker 21 Yeah, if we're being honest, it would be a Wiffle Ball field for sure.

Speaker 1 All right, Jake, your who's back.

Speaker 18 My who's back of the week is Michigan basketball.

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 18 We have the coaching carousel begin, and recurring guest Dusty May is going from FAU to Ann Arbor.

Speaker 1 People thought he was going to go to Indiana. He's an Indiana boy.

Speaker 5 Wouldn't it be so confusing if Dusty May, like, he was a new Tomizzo, so it was January, February, May,

Speaker 1 April, May.

Speaker 1 We sleep in May. Yeah, we sleep in May.
John Rossien's for sure going to do that.

Speaker 5 Rossi was almost on the court at the end of the day and Rosstein was playing defense against the inbound guy.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I got comment from our colleague, White Boy Rick, who's an Indiana fan, because Indiana fans, I think Dusty Mae was on their list. He's the loser, right? Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think he, what, he was on, he was a manager on one of the Bobby Knight teams, maybe. Yeah.
One of the last ones.

Speaker 1 Either way, I asked him for comment, and he said, because I was like, oh, that sucks. You probably had Dusty Mae on your list if you had...
fired Mike Woods and he had a great response.

Speaker 1 He said, no, this is good. He's going to prove that he can win with the big boys.
Then he'll take the Indiana drop.

Speaker 5 Which is an even bigger boy.

Speaker 1 So Michigan's just a stepping stone for Indiana. Yeah, yeah, I love that.
I love the Indiana delusion.

Speaker 1 He's going to go, he's going to win a couple Big Ten titles,

Speaker 1 beating Indiana,

Speaker 1 and then he's going to be like, I want to join Indiana.

Speaker 5 Well, that's what Brad Stevens is doing. He got to the NBA, learned how to coach in the NBA, then he transitioned to front office, so he learns how to assemble a great team.
Right.

Speaker 5 And now that he's got like a full 360-degree view of how to actually run an operation, then he'll come back to Indiana. Right.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 5 With Dusty May,

Speaker 5 I was thinking about this when they announced the hiring. Is he automatically a Michigan man?

Speaker 18 Or do you have to. Dave tweeted Michigan Man.

Speaker 5 Do you have to prove yourself? Do you have to do something Michigan?

Speaker 1 No, he's definitely. He's also probably not tall enough to be a Michigan, if we're honest.

Speaker 9 Michigan men are usually tall, yeah.

Speaker 1 They're harbaugh-like.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 18 So football and basketball for Michigan. Like Dave is not Dave probably not.

Speaker 5 Dave's not a Michigan man. Probably not tall enough.

Speaker 16 Real Michigan men.

Speaker 1 You have to earn your man.

Speaker 6 Strong stock.

Speaker 1 I'll never be a Michigan man. I like the high.
You'll never be a Michigan man.

Speaker 5 I don't want to be a Michigan man.

Speaker 18 I I think they're going to be back quickly.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, no, he's a great coach.
Great coach.

Speaker 5 Great guy. Is he going to bring Golden with him?

Speaker 18 Yeah, all those guys still have eligibility, so it'd be interesting to see if he brings any of those guys from FAU, from Boca to Ann Arbor.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I would not go. I'll just say that.

Speaker 5 If I was Golden,

Speaker 5 and I'd be like, do I want to move to Michigan and away from the beach? No.

Speaker 1 Counterpoint, he could become a Michigan man.

Speaker 5 He is a Michigan. He's tall enough.

Speaker 1 He could be a Michigan man for life.

Speaker 5 I'd rather be a Florida man. Florida men have way more fun.
Yeah. Get to do way better drugs in Florida.

Speaker 1 All right, let's get to our interviews. We got two great ones with Jack Golke and DJ Burns.
And then the other side will wrap up the show.

Speaker 1 Maybe we'll talk about the coach's picture real quick because I still have to do that blog.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He captured the hearts of America for about 48 hours.
It is Jack Golke from Oakland who had the huge upset on Thursday night at Kentucky.

Speaker 1 Lost in overtime on Saturday night, which we apologize for. We were pulling for you very, very hard, Jack, but we still wanted to have you on because

Speaker 1 we'll start here, and you can tell me if this is wrong or not, but you were built in a lab to be the perfect March Madness guy.

Speaker 1 Like the look, the team, the beating Kentucky, the fact that literally every shot you take is a made three.

Speaker 1 Did you know that going going in? You're like, if I have a good game, like I'm going to, I'm going to just take over the country for a day.

Speaker 28 Well, first off, thanks for having me on, guys. This is awesome.

Speaker 28 But I mean, yeah, I guess looking back on it, I didn't really expect that or think about it that way.

Speaker 28 But now that you kind of lay it all out and I mean, you see all the memes and all the just everything going around, I would have never expected all that, but it all kind of just fit together, like you said.

Speaker 28 And

Speaker 28 yeah, I guess the story just, it was just too perfect. And people saying it's an industry plant and all that stuff is just crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, CIA op. Yeah.
You were. You're an industry plant.

Speaker 5 And you know what? I enjoyed every second of the CIA op.

Speaker 5 I really did. I got caught up in gulky mania.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 28 They finally did something right.

Speaker 5 Yeah. The stat that was going viral was

Speaker 5 your breakdown of three-point attempts to two-point attempts this season. So you attempted two two-point or excuse me, eight two-point shots all year long.

Speaker 5 Do you do you even practice mid-range?

Speaker 28 So So I tell my teammates this year, I'm like, hey, guys, I used to shoot twos. I used to make a couple twos a game, but they just do not believe me.

Speaker 28 Ever since the year started, Coach Campy just kind of set me up as the three-point specialist. And to be honest, this whole season, I really haven't gone in the gym and shot many twos.

Speaker 28 It's pretty much just get in there, get a couple of form shots, and then start launching threes.

Speaker 5 So does that mess with your foul shooting at all? Because I've always thought like if a guy's a three-point specialist at some point,

Speaker 5 he's not working on mid-range games. So that could impact you from the foul line.

Speaker 5 We were actually saying that you should take your foul shots from the very, very top of the key, like back up five feet.

Speaker 28 I definitely should, man. I mean, this was my worst free throw shooting year in a long time.
So something was definitely up. Maybe I should have just been shooting them from half court or something.

Speaker 1 You're too close. Yeah.
You were too close. So going back to Thursday night, because it was an incredible game taking down Kentucky.

Speaker 1 The way I put it is like, you know, all those Kentucky guys are going to, a lot of them are going to go on to be pros, make millions and millions of dollars, but you basically, you and your teammates can be like, yeah, we had them one night.

Speaker 1 We took them down one night. And that's one of the coolest things.
That's why we love this tournament.

Speaker 16 At what point in the game, though, were you guys like, wait, we can play with them?

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 2 this is not going to be a game where they can just overpower us?

Speaker 29 Yeah, I think.

Speaker 28 The first couple minutes of the game, they did a really good job of kind of imposing their will as Kentucky as as like a power five school where they just kind of fed the ball inside and got a couple quick buckets on us.

Speaker 28 But I think it was probably like the third media timeout. So like about halfway through the first half where we might have been tied or down one, something like that.

Speaker 28 And we were just like, hey, if we've hung with them for 10 minutes, like. We might as well just go out here and do this thing.
Like, let's just go do it.

Speaker 28 Let's shock the nation and have some fun with it. And we kind of just ran with it from there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, were you at any point, did you feel at any point that you were in the zone? Because it felt like that.

Speaker 1 Cause some of the the shots you were making were ridiculous, where it's like, no one should be shooting this, like falling away, hand in the face, being, you know, guys trying to run after you.

Speaker 1 Did you feel like you had reached the zone at any point?

Speaker 28 Yeah, it was just a classic game for me.

Speaker 28 For anyone who's like watched my career, they know I miss open threes and I make the hardest threes. Yes.
And I don't know why that is.

Speaker 28 Yeah, there was a time in the first half, I think I made like three or four in a row, and a couple of them I kind of threw up and didn't even see them go in. I kind of thought they were bricks.

Speaker 28 And then everyone was just like cheering. And I was like, okay, I'll take it.

Speaker 1 Like, let's roll. That's incredible.

Speaker 5 Did you know you were going to be wet before the game? Like in warm-ups? Were you like, yeah, tonight's tonight's the night?

Speaker 28 I was feeling good. Yeah.
A couple of the Kentucky guys were chirping me a little bit in warm-ups because of some comments I made in the pregame interview.

Speaker 28 So at that point, I was like, okay, I got to show out today or else I'm going to be getting clowned the entire game.

Speaker 5 Would you say pregame?

Speaker 28 So

Speaker 28 in the pre-game interview, like I guess it was the day before, pre-practice,

Speaker 28 people were asking me about Kentucky and I told them like they're obviously tremendous shooting teams, shoot the best percentage of the country, but I think our team shoots it better.

Speaker 28 And they just ran with that. Their fans said, oh, this is ridiculous, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 28 So then before the game, their players were just saying, like, you better have a good night or else you can't be saying stuff like that. And then they didn't really say anything the entire game.

Speaker 1 No, yeah, no. Yeah, you were dead right.

Speaker 5 What is your range?

Speaker 28 Man, as soon as you walk in the gym, you got to start firing them.

Speaker 28 Anywhere my teammates are going to pass me the ball, I'm putting it up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And we, by the way, so the other part of the perfect, like you're an industry plan for March Madness, you had an NIL deal almost like 10 seconds after you got off the court.

Speaker 1 You also, you go buy the shirts in our barstool store. We did an NIL deal with Jack.

Speaker 1 So those are live right now. But how quickly did that all take place? Like, was it just you were in the locker room? You're like, all right, now I got to do an ad tomorrow.

Speaker 28 No, you guys are going to love this. So my phone obviously was just blowing up.
I didn't even want to look at it.

Speaker 28 A couple of my buddies are just like, dude, we'll just set up an email for you and we'll do it all. So, I didn't even see any of it.

Speaker 28 It was just, it was just them going through these emails and being like, oh, let's do this one. Let's do this one.
This is a good one. This is a bad one.

Speaker 1 That's incredible.

Speaker 28 They picked just my two dumb guys just

Speaker 28 running the email, picking the TurboTax. And I go in the hotel ballroom and shoot a video.
And everyone's telling me it's so amazing because it's so bad.

Speaker 1 So perfect.

Speaker 5 The TurboTax tax that contributed to the conspiracies out there because, like, wait, now he's doing an ad where he's just getting the government paid. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Doing an ad right before we arrest our taxes. Right now.

Speaker 5 But it was that credit to your dumb friends because that's like, that's a pretty good NIL deal to just have come through at the last second.

Speaker 28 No, yeah. Shout out to them.

Speaker 1 They made it happen. Yeah.

Speaker 15 That's oh, that's perfect. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So what's next for you? What do you have on the horizon right now?

Speaker 28 So I just got invited to the Final Four to do a three-point contest there. So I'm excited for that.
That'll be fun.

Speaker 7 Do you need one of us to put a hand in your face for it?

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 7 I think I would shoot better.

Speaker 29 Yeah, I would appreciate that.

Speaker 1 Come out.

Speaker 28 Yeah, so maybe I'll run into you guys out there. That would be awesome.

Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 28 And then after that, just going to try to play pro. I have no idea where I'm going to end up, but just going to kind of go through the process during the summer.
And maybe I'll be overseas.

Speaker 28 Maybe I'll be, you know, G-League or whatever it is, but just going to try to keep playing basketball and avoid the car salesman or insurance jobs as long as possible.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think I said on the stream last night, I was like, this guy is so perfect, like he probably already has a job at Deloitte lined up.

Speaker 1 But I want, yeah, I mean, I want more Jack Golke on the on the basketball court.

Speaker 9 I also said,

Speaker 1 I was like, we have to hire him.

Speaker 16 So I think you have a standing job offer here.

Speaker 1 I kind of got creepy, though.

Speaker 2 I was like,

Speaker 1 I don't even want to do anything. I just want to have him.
And whenever someone comes over, we're just like, hey, you want to see our guy shoot some threes? No, it's like, we got a goalkeeper here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we would be like, okay, here's our popcorn machine right there.

Speaker 5 There's the gambling cave. There's our goalkeeper.

Speaker 1 You're just like, watch this. Your job is just hit threes all day long.

Speaker 28 I'll just be a prop. And then if I miss a couple threes, you guys just got to kick me to the curve.

Speaker 1 I mean, we might need you if we ever have to do the free throw competition again. Like that, you'll be the first call.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but take the shots from the three-point line.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 28 Yeah, free throws for everybody else. I'll shoot deep threes.

Speaker 28 Did you get get a text from jj watt i did yeah that was pretty cool that was pretty cool oh of course he's trying to get he's trying to get in the limelight here

Speaker 28 what'd he say i should have uh hey jj them

Speaker 1 that would have been oh that would have been safe that would have been like flashbacks for him yeah he's like what the fuck

Speaker 5 did you did you grow up like watching jj watt play in the nfl oh yeah i mean he uh

Speaker 28 So I'm trying to think of what year he graduated high school, but I saw him a little bit in high school. I saw him at Wisconsin, and obviously he was at Central Michigan before that.

Speaker 28 But yeah, he was just an absolute sensation in Pewaukee.

Speaker 28 Everyone knows J.J. Watt.
Everyone knows TJ Watt. Those guys are just

Speaker 28 top standard in Pewaukee.

Speaker 1 Did you ever think that, did you ever try to go to Madison? Because I would have loved the Gulkie in my life

Speaker 1 for the team I root for.

Speaker 28 They never really reached out, so

Speaker 28 that wasn't in the cards, but they don't recruit Wisconsin very well. I'm sure you know that.

Speaker 13 We need to get you an extra COVID year.

Speaker 1 Would you play? I just want to watch more Gulkie just hitting three.

Speaker 28 I'm going to get even more shit for how old I am if I do one more year.

Speaker 5 No one's going to complain. Like, you could play in the next three March Madnesses and people would be like, awesome.

Speaker 1 More Gulkie. Yeah.

Speaker 13 Keep more Gulkie going.

Speaker 1 And then, so, a question, obviously, the NC State game didn't go your guys' way. You guys fought your asses off, went to overtime.

Speaker 1 I noticed, though, obviously, like, it was clear that NC State was like, we cannot let this guy be open ever.

Speaker 1 Did you notice it from the jump, like that it was totally different than the Kentucky game, where Kentucky almost, no shots at Cal, but it felt like they didn't really understand that you could hit anything.

Speaker 1 NC State was like, there was a guy glued to you, and you still scored.

Speaker 28 Yeah, it was, it was definitely different from Kentucky. Kentucky was just guarding in a different way that

Speaker 28 you don't typically guard like really good shooters, but NC State, they just, they said, we're going to get physical. We're going to foul until the refs call it.
And I mean, credit to them.

Speaker 28 They were just physical the entire game and kind of mucking things up.

Speaker 28 And I was just trying to get loose in transition because they were doing such a good job in the half court of just ruining everything, to be honest.

Speaker 28 So just try to get loose in half court, pump fake, have the guys fly by. And luckily it worked a couple of times, but I wish we could have made a couple more down the stretch, obviously.

Speaker 6 Yeah, when you did the pump fake, every pump fake.

Speaker 1 And we also had a rule in the gambling cave because we were like, you know, we were watching games for four days.

Speaker 1 And I told everyone they cannot say like, you know, wet or anything like that unless it's a gulky shot because I've never been more confident.

Speaker 1 That NC State game, you had one shot where it didn't even leave your hands and I was like, good, three, good.

Speaker 1 And it was just like, I was like, the only person I'll do that for is like Steph Curry and Gulkie. That's it.

Speaker 28 I love it. I'll take that comparison any day of the week, man.

Speaker 5 Do you have like a favorite thing that you say right as the ball leaves your hands? Like some people say water. Some people say butter, wet, whop.

Speaker 28 I usually say like, like, why'd you let me get that off?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 28 Like, why are you letting me shoot?

Speaker 5 You know better than that. Yeah, just scolding.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 29 A little scold, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a good one. What, what, um, so are you still in school you're not in school are you in school

Speaker 28 i mean technically but

Speaker 1 it's tough it's tough to lock in guys i'm not gonna lie i would imagine yeah we i i do want to get out of one ahead of one thing i i might have said you you were said on thursday night we're not a cinderella i loved that i was like let's go you're you're uh oakland tough luck tough luck but oakland's president had a cinderella slipper in front of her And in the heat of the moment, I might have said some things that were, you know, anger induced.

Speaker 1 So I just want to apologize to that if you ever see her walking around and just be like, hey, that guy didn't mean that. He was just rooting really hard for Golkie.

Speaker 1 What about, so your coach also was a great story. When you, what was the process? Because you were at Hillsdale for four years.
Then you end up going to Oakland.

Speaker 7 What was what sold you on Oakland?

Speaker 1 Was it was it coach?

Speaker 29 Yeah, I mean, he.

Speaker 28 He's just had a tremendous history of guys like me that just shoot a bunch of threes.

Speaker 28 And I mean, you guys have probably heard of like Max Hooper and maybe even Travis Bader, guys that just launched threes.

Speaker 28 And he just called called me and said, hey, I want you to watch this film with me and see like what these guys have done in the past. I think it'll be a good role for you.

Speaker 28 And I just watched it and I was like, it doesn't get much better than that. I mean, you guys know how it is.
Like, if you can just go out there and launch threes,

Speaker 28 it's a good life. So it fit really well.
And I was just like, I'm not going to find a better place than this. And I think we could be really successful.

Speaker 5 I had a theory that you went there because their half-court logo is so big. at your gym that you were like, I'm going to hit all the logo threes.

Speaker 28 No, you always got to walk, when you walk in a gym and you got got to look for the logos and be like, which spot is the most strategic for me to hit some logo threes where I'm really only two feet behind the line?

Speaker 5 Yeah, and I think Oakland might have maybe the number one gym in America with that.

Speaker 28 Oh, yeah. We got we got the Michigan state thing out there where you can be, you can be like one and a half feet behind the line and you're shooting a logo three.

Speaker 28 And then if you're shooting from the bear, you can be like three feet. So you can get a bunch of them up for sure.

Speaker 1 I love it. That's lovely.

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Speaker 1 If I told you open gym, 103s, let's say for, let's say, hypothetically, it's a like high school line,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 it's actually our office.

Speaker 2 103s, how many are you making?

Speaker 28 High school line? Honestly,

Speaker 28 I'm probably making more at the college line than the high school line because I just haven't shot high school line in five, six years.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you can step back. You can shoot from wherever, but how many are are you making?

Speaker 2 Empty gym.

Speaker 28 Okay, empty gym. I'm going to set the line at,

Speaker 28 I'd say like 78 and a half.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well, you open invite to come to Chicago and let's do that video because, I mean, it's, you know, hour and 15 drive from Pilwaukee.
Whenever you're back, come on down. We'll do it 78 and a half.

Speaker 1 I'm taking the over. Yeah, probably the over on that one.
I'm taking the over. Okay.

Speaker 28 I'm telling you, I'm making, if you're, if you want threes off the, off the move and sprinting, I'll make 90.

Speaker 1 But okay, we'll do that.

Speaker 1 Yes, I love it. All right, so we're doing it.

Speaker 5 I actually think we could put you at one end and then put maybe

Speaker 5 like our worst player at the other end with one basketball, and you would outscore him if all that other guy had to do was just hit layups over and over and over again.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 29 yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 28 Actually, I guarantee you, I will make more threes than your worst player makes.

Speaker 2 All right, we'll do a Jerry After Dark.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, Hank. He's our worst.

Speaker 5 Hank's our worst player.

Speaker 1 He's a bad athlete. You know that, though.
Yeah.

Speaker 29 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 29 Yeah.

Speaker 1 i've seen it all well jack thank you so much man uh we we really enjoyed watching you play and best of luck and we we got to have you come to the office and do a challenge yeah that sounds great thanks for having me on guys and i'm excited to come in that'll be a lot of fun awesome

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest.

Speaker 7 He is

Speaker 1 starting center for NC State, the Sweet 16 bound NC State Wolfpack. It is DJ Burns.
DJ,

Speaker 1 congratulations, first of all. And second of all, are you tired yet? Because you guys have won now seven games in 12 days.
It's an incredible run. Are you tired?

Speaker 29 I'm not too tired yet. Not yet.
Not yet.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, good.

Speaker 5 It's been a wild run. Like going back to the ACC tournament, watching you guys really like play your way into form.

Speaker 5 It was awesome. Like watching you run through that tournament.
At some point, did you feel yourself like going into the tournament? Did you know that you had it in you to make a run?

Speaker 5 Or did it take a little momentum, maybe, you know, like hit a big shot against UVA to really buy in and believe that this team can be, you know, a special team?

Speaker 29 Yeah, I definitely say we knew we could do it, but that shot definitely sent us right over the top, man. That was the point where we knew

Speaker 29 we just needed to fight a little bit more. We were going to get it done.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it's, I mean, it's, yeah, like, the run is insane.

Speaker 2 Last night, you guys play in overtime. You play 42 minutes, 24 points, 11 rebounds.
Like, it's just been, it's been so much fun to watch.

Speaker 1 Do you ever find when guys go up against you, like, do they visibly, can you tell when you got them when they're so frustrated?

Speaker 1 Because your moves are so smooth and your touch, like, everything you throw up at the rim goes in.

Speaker 13 Do you know when you're like, all right, I got them?

Speaker 7 They can't stop me?

Speaker 29 I wouldn't say that, but I'd say I can tell definitely when they begin to, you know,

Speaker 29 I can tell when they get frustrated because that's when they'll start to, you know, say little slick things under their breath, like, you know, to themselves, like they try to, you know, hype themselves up.

Speaker 29 But when we're having a game like that, it's, it's hard to, it's hard to not keep going. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And I feel like you don't get the calls that you deserve sometimes. They ref you a little bit different sometimes.

Speaker 5 And sometimes the other team's strategy just becomes like, see if you can take a charge from DJ. But meanwhile, they're like, they're hugging you.
They're grabbing your arms.

Speaker 5 Do you have to like dial yourself back? Because I know you get frustrated sometimes when you don't get like the Zach Eady treatment on those whistles.

Speaker 5 Do you have to hold yourself back sometimes or do you talk to the refs and let them know like, hey, this guy's just tackling me every time I get the ball?

Speaker 29 Yeah, for sure. I mean, I've been told by them that I'm hard to ref sometimes because of, you know, being bigger than everyone and everything like that.

Speaker 29 So I understand it, but, you know, it is frustrating. I oftentimes have to catch myself getting frustrated and reel it back in for sure.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I got to stand up for you for one moment in this run. I thought CBS did you dirty when they tried to give you ice cream after the game.
They tried to set you up. That was wrong.

Speaker 29 I'll keep my comments to myself on that. Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 I'll just say it.

Speaker 9 I'll say it was wrong.

Speaker 1 It's been like, but I know that you guys sometimes do ice cream after wins.

Speaker 2 Have you guys, I hope in the locker room, have you guys said anything to coach being like, we've made you so much money on this run?

Speaker 1 Because I keep seeing every single win. It's like, you know, Kevin Keats gets another bonus.
He gets a two-year extension. Have you at least said, hey, what we're doing for you, it's pretty nice?

Speaker 29 No, no,

Speaker 29 that man, that man, he's the one who put us all together. You know, he's the one who saw the vision of what we could be.
So, you know, definitely we're thankful for him as well.

Speaker 1 It is funny, though.

Speaker 2 It's literally every single game, which it's an incredible run. I mean, the five games in five days.

Speaker 1 And I was reading a story that you guys were like every day coming back to the game and being like, we feel better than we did yesterday. Was that just a mentality that you were taking?

Speaker 1 Because there's no way at some point your body has to be five games in five days.

Speaker 7 You guys are just all bought in like that?

Speaker 29 Dude, that's just the vibe around this place right now.

Speaker 29 We don't plan on quitting at all. And we work real hard and we've did treatment that treated treatment the same way that we treat practice.
You know, it's very important.

Speaker 29 So I think that we're taking the necessary steps to keep going. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So going through the ACC tournament, backing up a little bit, you beat Duke and you beat UNC over the span of just a couple days. Can you power rank?

Speaker 5 Like, what are your, what's the most satisfying win? Is it beating Duke or beating UNC or maybe some other team in the ACC?

Speaker 29 I'd probably say beating UNC just because we played them twice and lost twice going into that.

Speaker 29 If we played Duke twice, I feel like we, you know.

Speaker 29 would have, you know, we probably would have split that. So definitely we would say UNC because we lost to them twice.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah. And you, I mean, the three that you hit against UNC was awesome, too.
Have you asked coach for more looks from the outside? Like, take a few threes every now and again.

Speaker 29 Nah, no, sir. I'll play my role.
And if the opportunity presents, I'll take one, but I don't try to do too much outside of what I'm good at. So I try to, you know, do what helps us win.

Speaker 1 I got a weird question for you, DJ, and it's something I'm actually weirdly interested in.

Speaker 1 You sell vending machines?

Speaker 29 Yeah, I have a few. I don't sell them.
I just own a few. I have two myself.

Speaker 1 That's incredible. So how did you get into that?

Speaker 29 That was just, you know, there's a guy who played at Auburn named Josh Dollard.

Speaker 29 He's from the Charlotte area. And we used to train with this trainer named Gabe Blair.
And he,

Speaker 29 phenomenal guys. And I was just talking to him, you know, about some things at Winthrop.
And we were just talking about what are ways to make money outside of basketball.

Speaker 29 So you're not like one-dimensional as a person. And that was one of the things he showed me.
And I took after it.

Speaker 12 I, I mean, love that.

Speaker 13 That's awesome.

Speaker 1 So you have, you have two active right now and you just, it just makes money for you?

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 29 and I've showed a few friends how to do it as well, and they take it a little more serious than I do now.

Speaker 1 What's in your vending machines, though? That's very important. Cause like, I hope it's not.

Speaker 18 Be honest.

Speaker 29 I can't eat what's in my vending machine. Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 That's a good thing. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 5 Yeah, don't get high on your own supply.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it does.

Speaker 29 It sells well for sure.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's smart.

Speaker 5 Do you have big Texan cinnamon rolls in there?

Speaker 29 Nah, not right now.

Speaker 1 Oh, those are a money maker. Wait, do you switch it up? Do you like do a different menu every month?

Speaker 5 not every month but like you know every now and then um i have two different vendors so depending on which one i go to they have different stuff i mean we could do a whole interview on yeah i'm actually i love vending i'm interested in the snack game right now so you could also like if you want to plug your vending machines let people know where they can find the dj burns vending machines and maybe people just go to just flock to them

Speaker 29 They're just at some schools out in Charlotte, you know, stuff like that. But it's not, it's not anything too major.
I don't really, I don't really, I'm not in, that's not my business for sure.

Speaker 29 That's just like some little side hustle stuff.

Speaker 1 I like that. Yeah, it's entrepreneurial.

Speaker 8 And then the other one I had, which, you know, the internet might just lie, but do you, do you play four different instruments?

Speaker 29 I did play four instruments. I'm not as, I'm not as active in all of them anymore, you know, just because basketball takes up most of that time now.
So

Speaker 29 it's more of something that I'll do every now and then.

Speaker 29 It stayed with me from high school, but yeah, that's not really something I do as much anymore.

Speaker 1 What were the four?

Speaker 29 The upright bass, the piano, the baritone saxophone, and the alto saxophone.

Speaker 1 That's bad. That's a good variety, too.

Speaker 5 So upright bass is that's an instrument that I would love to be able to play.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 29 I actually went into school and they were showing me the violin and the lady, the teacher, Miss Thompson, she was like, yo, you're going to snap that thing with your neck. Try this.

Speaker 29 And she handed me the bass and I fell in love with it, man.

Speaker 1 That's, I mean, to have that like wide,

Speaker 1 you know, death or wide variety of like skills is insane.

Speaker 1 Like to be a division one basketball player going to the Sweet 16 and have four instruments that you can play, and also a vending machine owner.

Speaker 16 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You might be the coolest dude in the world.

Speaker 29 Hey, man, I hope to be one day, man. Not there yet.

Speaker 1 America's Big Man.

Speaker 5 That's what they're calling you right now. And I was reading your Twitter profile earlier.
It says that your profile says Bible, Books, and Ball. The big three for you.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 5 What's your favorite book?

Speaker 29 Oh, man, I don't really have a favorite, to be honest. I read a lot of books based on sports and then about God and stuff like that, you know, my walk with faith.

Speaker 29 So that's mostly, I'd probably say the one, I'm still, I'm rereading the uncommon book by Tony Dungy right now. That's one that like a little daily devotional.
So stuff like that.

Speaker 5 I set you up, though. The answer was the Bible.

Speaker 29 Yeah, 100%, man. But that's a given.

Speaker 1 I thought you meant like, you know, in general.

Speaker 5 I got another weird question for you.

Speaker 5 I love the fact that you're a big undershirt guy. I feel like the NCAA tournament every year, you've always got a couple dudes that rock the big undershirts, and now they're getting tighter.

Speaker 5 You know, most people are wearing like the compression sleeves almost you still rock the old school undershirt um you can go back and look at like keith van horn sim boular there's just a long list of undershirt guys have you always been an undershirt guy was that a conscious decision you made

Speaker 29 yeah i mean honestly when i used to play basketball i wear a lot of long sleeve shirts and people would always look at me crazy for wearing long sleeves while hooping but um So I just kind of stuck to the undershirt.

Speaker 29 Now I kind of get the same ones that are comfortable so I can move around in them.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What's your favorite like way to score on the court? Is it a dunk over someone or is it like, you know, the spin move when you get someone going the wrong way and it's just an easy layup?

Speaker 1 I mean, again, it's so much fun watching you play because when you have your post moves going, you just get people just turned around.

Speaker 29 I wouldn't even say I have a favorite move. I just like to react.
You know, whatever you're going to give me is what I'm going to take, you know, whether that be a pass or something. But

Speaker 29 I'm not really looking to make spectacular plays, but I'm always trying to be smart with it. So I just like smart plays, people who play smart.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you ever catch catch yourself because every now and then when we're watching your games they'll be like you'll throw in like almost a football move do you realize that like sometimes you'll like you'll have the ball and you'll just kind of throw a little shoulder and you'll be like wait and then you and then you'll kind of be like all right i'm still on the basketball court do you notice that yeah the thing with that is um i just learned that you know i'm gonna get fouled so sometimes i have to you know use a little more muscle than I would like to have to use.

Speaker 29 But I mean, if that's what I have to do to score it, then so be it, you know?

Speaker 1 That's smart. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And your passing is incredible, too. Is that a skill skill that you've worked on in the last few years?

Speaker 5 Um, because when I see you do like a little like behind the back or a little like look-away pass, there's nothing that I like more than a big man that can pass the ball.

Speaker 29 Oh man, I just say that's something that God blessed me with, man. I don't know where it came from or how it got there, but I've always been able to be a passer.

Speaker 29 Um, I think it just has something to do with being unselfish, that's always been me, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all right. Well, I have one last question.

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Speaker 1 DJ Burns, who we're rooting for to hopefully get into the final four, we want to see this journey continue.

Speaker 1 Is there, I'm rooting for you to get to the final four because then, for people who don't know, you were third in your state in high school rankings behind Zion Williamson and John Morant.

Speaker 6 Pretty good company.

Speaker 1 I would like to see you get to the final four, something those guys didn't so we can be like, yeah, they were wrong. DJ Burns probably should have been ranked number one.

Speaker 29 Hey, man, that's 100% the goal. That's what we're working towards every day, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I love it.
I appreciate that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's great. Yeah.
I mean, the fact that that's, you know, a trivia question, that's, it's cool. And you're the most fun to watch of the three.
Definitely. Right now.

Speaker 5 Definitely the most fun to watch.

Speaker 1 Yes, by far.

Speaker 29 I appreciate that, man. That's awesome.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Thanks for joining us, man. We really appreciate your time and good luck.
Go Wolfpack.

Speaker 1 And yeah, we're going to be pulling this.

Speaker 1 Keep it rolling. Keep it rolling.
Wolfpack.

Speaker 29 Yes, sir. Go pack, man.

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Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 9 Let's wrap up the show.

Speaker 1 Hank, any other grievances? Nope.

Speaker 5 Okay. Are you mad at me for anything? Nope.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 he picked your side.

Speaker 1 I had two. I had two.
The last three months have not been great for me because

Speaker 2 Hank, when you and I went head-to-head, Hank went with you, and then surviving bar stool before, remember when he was like, if it comes down to you and Dave, I'm going with Dave.

Speaker 2 So I know where I stand.

Speaker 1 I didn't pick third. I'm not PFT.
I'm third.

Speaker 20 Me and PFT got assigned a team, and PFT forced me to take JMU.

Speaker 14 Did I force you?

Speaker 1 That was mean of you, PFT. Contracture for you.
Did I force you? Contract on Hank.

Speaker 5 No, now I'm mad at Hank. Oh, okay.
Yes. Fuck you, Hank.

Speaker 7 Because he definitely wanted to pick JMU.

Speaker 5 You piece of shit. Yeah, you're telling you.
I'm going to pick NC State. You're spouting fake.

Speaker 1 Seriously, you would have won 40K. No.

Speaker 21 Did he actually? No.

Speaker 1 He wanted JMU.

Speaker 5 And he said it's going to be so funny when Big Cat gets mad.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 21 So you did pick against me. That's fine.

Speaker 1 I can deal with it.

Speaker 5 I made that last part up. I'm going to close my circle.

Speaker 7 My kids still like me.

Speaker 20 Shane was shooting, and Big Cat was like, what's up, Shane?

Speaker 1 Only person that did pick JMU.

Speaker 1 I was like, Shane, I was a dark place. I was like, Shane, it's good that I know I still have you, dude.
And he's like, yeah.

Speaker 7 I bet Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 I was like, oh, bad bet. I was like, that was stupid of you.

Speaker 5 But yeah, I know where I stand with Hank.

Speaker 19 He's third.

Speaker 1 And might even be way lower than that.

Speaker 5 I think he likes memes more.

Speaker 1 I don't know. He took memes off.
I've been falling down the charts.

Speaker 5 He took memes off the pip.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I've been falling down the charts.

Speaker 1 It hurts.

Speaker 21 It hurts.

Speaker 1 It is what it is.

Speaker 5 Memes catches the most straights of anybody.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it hurts. He and Max have been getting along recently because the Sixers suck.

Speaker 19 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it's like...

Speaker 20 They're both lying down on this couch earlier when I walked in. Who?

Speaker 1 That's a me. Together? Together? That's not true.

Speaker 5 Like snug. What?

Speaker 12 Sixers had a big win today.

Speaker 1 They were lying down together on the couch?

Speaker 20 Yeah, it was crazy.

Speaker 2 That's a weird move, guys. That's kind of strange.

Speaker 1 No, that's not true. I was laying on the floor, and he was just laying on the couch.

Speaker 5 Love is love.

Speaker 1 By the way, so the coach's picture, I'm going to write this blog after this. It's one in the morning.
I'm fucked. I don't know why they release it on a Sunday.
They always release it on a Monday.

Speaker 20 Didn't someone say they did the date wrong by accident?

Speaker 14 Yes.

Speaker 5 It's a news dump.

Speaker 9 Which sucks.

Speaker 1 Because, yeah,

Speaker 1 I'm fucked. But give me,

Speaker 1 just something, maybe one that jumps out to you. I mean, Stefansky's posture is atrocious.
Andy Reid is still a boss.

Speaker 5 Andy Reid's legs stand out to me.

Speaker 1 Belichick's usually.

Speaker 20 I feel like half the time he's in it when he's in it. He was always such an alpha that it was cool.
So I was scanning it. And then when I finally saw Mayo, I was like, oh, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is... This is bad.

Speaker 20 Gerard Mayo stands out and probably not in a good way.

Speaker 1 He's wearing a t-shirt. Yeah.

Speaker 21 And he's big.

Speaker 5 I don't like the fact that they put all the

Speaker 1 barrel-chested.

Speaker 5 They put all the former Redskins coaches from that team together on purpose.

Speaker 7 Oh, did they?

Speaker 5 Shafter probably loves that shit. Schefter probably, he probably set this whole photo up.

Speaker 1 Wait.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you got McDaniel, you got LaFleur, you got McVay, you got Kyle Shanahan, then you got...

Speaker 8 Wait, but who's in between McDaniel and

Speaker 5 that's a new face?

Speaker 1 I think it might just be the fact that LaFleur and Sean McVay are are friends.

Speaker 5 And Shanahan behind him and McDaniel right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think you're seeing things because there's a guy literally sitting in between.

Speaker 5 But who is that guy?

Speaker 7 There's someone separating them.

Speaker 1 We got to learn the new fish. I think it's the Seahawks coach.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah, McDonald. Yeah.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I don't like the day. I already wrote a part of the blog.
Dave Canalis thinking he can go shorts next to Andy Reid.

Speaker 5 You fucking suck. He got Alpha.

Speaker 1 Well, you just can't do that. You can't be.
You haven't won a game in the NFL and you went shorts.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Devin O'Connell needs an iron.

Speaker 5 Dan Quinn and Brian Daybold next to each other look hilarious. They look like the funniest, either like buddy cop duo of all time, or we were saying they look like a team of hitmen or outlaws.

Speaker 5 Or like, you said the robbers from Home Alone.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they would be the Home Alone Robbers if they're just like, let's redo it, but they're both bald.

Speaker 20 Yeah. Or like a 20, like a 30th anniversary of like a wrestling, high school wrestling state championship.

Speaker 14 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, true.

Speaker 5 They do look like high school wrestling coaches.

Speaker 1 I got a question because I already have started looking at this one guy in between Dave Canalis and what's the fucking idiot from the Saints?

Speaker 18 Dennis Allen.

Speaker 1 Yeah, who's that? Because he looks like a weird

Speaker 1 church preacher. Like not even a church preacher, like a church camp counselor.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he probably.

Speaker 9 Like an adult church camp counselor.

Speaker 5 This guy probably had the chair turned around and he was sitting facing you, but the chair is backwards.

Speaker 1 Let me rap at you real quick about chess. Let's talk some football.
Who is that?

Speaker 18 Is that Brian Callahan?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 okay. Respect.

Speaker 1 His dad's an all-time football guy. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 And Brian Callahans. Oh, yeah, Titans.

Speaker 5 Doug Peterson looks like he's had about six

Speaker 5 stackers every year.

Speaker 1 Doug Peterson.

Speaker 20 He looks the most comfortable, and Stefansky looks the least comfortable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think I said it every single year, but it stands every single year.

Speaker 2 Doug Peterson is, he looks like a swinger.

Speaker 1 And I mean that in all due respect. All due respect, because it looks like he just enjoys life

Speaker 9 to a certain level.

Speaker 5 It kind of looks like Stefansky is an uptight husband,

Speaker 5 and then Peterson is like his drunk, embarrassing librarian wife.

Speaker 1 Stefansky's sitting like Gerard Mayo's got his fingers up his ass.

Speaker 1 I don't know what happened, and we love Stefansky, but he's going to get it.

Speaker 2 He's going to have to get it.

Speaker 5 Dan Campbell looks like he's ready to fuck. Always.

Speaker 1 That dude. Fuck or fight.
That dude. He's a fuck or fight guy.

Speaker 5 He's ready to go.

Speaker 1 That might be the whole thing.

Speaker 7 Mr. Fucker Fight.

Speaker 1 Which one do you want to do, brother? And I don't care.

Speaker 1 You decide.

Speaker 5 The hardballs next to each other. I love it.

Speaker 1 Good luck.

Speaker 20 Yeah, tough for Zach Taylor to get stuck in between two former NFL players.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 But Gerard, manoeuvre, that's Hank.

Speaker 1 That's a tough fall from Grace to see him in a t-shirt.

Speaker 2 He got surprised by the whole thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we didn't have any classic like Matt Rule Panthers year was incredible.

Speaker 1 I look back. I've been doing this blog for 11 years now.

Speaker 1 Time flies. Mark Tressman was the first one.

Speaker 5 Antonio Pierce looks like

Speaker 5 a magician/slash sex show enthusiast.

Speaker 5 He does a little bit of both.

Speaker 1 Where's Antonio Pierce? Last top left. Second row, top left.

Speaker 6 Second row, top left.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I see him.

Speaker 13 Okay.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he looks like a magician, like an X-rated magician. Yeah.

Speaker 13 This is going to be fun. All right, I'll be up all night.

Speaker 1 But it'll be fun. Shane Gillis coming Wednesday.

Speaker 9 Official.

Speaker 1 Don't worry. I feel like we've been a little transparent, but we probably fucked up the timing, taping that right before March Madness.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that will be Wednesday, and we'll talk some more Sweet 16.

Speaker 1 Let's finish up the show with numbers.

Speaker 23 40.

Speaker 12 How many bracelets are you going to do? I hope you win this one because

Speaker 18 18.

Speaker 1 What the fuck is wrong with you? I hope you win this one. Don't do that.
No, I do. I hope you win.
I hope you win. All right.
20. 3.

Speaker 1 77.

Speaker 1 8.

Speaker 1 Inc.?

Speaker 5 40.

Speaker 12 There's one up there.

Speaker 12 This doesn't count. Yeah, this doesn't count, but I'm curious what that what that is.

Speaker 5 I'm gonna wait to know what the number is. 78.

Speaker 1 78. 78.
Doesn't count, though.

Speaker 1 Doesn't count.

Speaker 1 Pick number three, my lord.

Speaker 1 Doesn't count.

Speaker 1 46

Speaker 5 Love you guys.

Speaker 5 Talking away.

Speaker 5 I'm the one.

Speaker 5 I'm just saying I'd say

Speaker 5 anyway.

Speaker 5 Today's a maladay to find you.

Speaker 1 Talking away.

Speaker 1 I'm the one.

Speaker 1 I'm just say I'd say it anyway

Speaker 1 Today's a matter of the day to finally

Speaker 1 shine away

Speaker 1 I'll be coming for your love up

Speaker 1 for your lover

Speaker 1 I'll be

Speaker 1 gone.

Speaker 1 Regardless,

Speaker 1 he lets the safe.

Speaker 1 I'm on the senate.

Speaker 1 But he's turned it up.

Speaker 1 Say and me.

Speaker 1 Let's look better to be safe. Inside it, to be safe.

Speaker 1 I'll be

Speaker 1 young.