Coach Rick Pitino In Studio, Duke Is Back To Being The Worst, Russ Wilson To The Steelers, Mac Jones Cut And More

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It was awesome. We talked about everything.
We also copped to some of the jokes we've made but we talked about everything we talked about a stalker that might or might not exist yeah that might or might not exist but it was an awesome interview i mean he's had an incredible career a lot of twists and turns so we got into it all it was awesome to have him sitting on that couch never thought we'd see that day uh we're going to talk some college basketball march madness we're about to get to conference championship week nfl free agency has started even though it officially started it's uh what the legal tampering window i believe that starts today monday at like noon so we got some contracts to talk about uh maybe a little ufc who's back of the week after the r Rick Pitino interview, we're going to do some housekeeping stuff.

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Today is Monday, March 11th, and I have an announcement. Proceed.
A very big announcement. I think Duke is going to be just fine because, God damn it, those guys are so hateable and they're right back to where they were.
John Sherry put on a hell of a performance after the game. Going shaking people's hands in the student section.
Apologizing. I'm sorry that we lost to UNC and this is probably your senior night too.
As. Should have done better as the other half of the camera crazies are throwing water and ice onto

the floor jay billis probably probably throwing ice down to kyle filipowski to to help him ice his calf which was very inconsiderately run into by a unc player earlier in the game these guys are perfect i'm so happy that they're exactly where they should be because i was nervous i was like coach k he's, he's done. John Shire, nice guy.
Don't really hate him. But just that scene choking on senior night against UNC, those stupid fucking Cameron crazies that pretend that they're like the coolest, best fan base in the world, throwing shit at college players.
I honestly think they should just not play with any fans anymore because Jay Billis, I hope he backs us up. Either put those people in jail or don't let them in the stadium because that was disgusting.
They're all throwing shit. John Shire's apologizing, which is like such a coach Kate thing to do.
Being like, I'm so sorry we let you down on senior night. And that fucking loser Kyle Filipowski tripping people.
Hank, this should make you happy because you should get your Duke fandom back up because you are such a piece of shit. The pep rally was tough too.
Oh, this is the pep rally. Eric McCain was like singing.
It was like a Texas A&M level pep rally. They're the worst.
What do you think about the tripping, Kyle Filipowski? He said it was unintentional, and I think I have to believe him. Yeah, I mean, if you're playing a game full speed, things get slowed down.
Also, he's coming off a severe leg injury. Yeah.
And so who knows, maybe some nerve damage. I said right away, it was clearly something that happened where it's like he can't control his legs anymore.
I mean, we're lucky that he's walking. They should have arrested the UNC player for doing that.
Cal could have so much worse hurt Oh man the UNC guys were just giving him shit And then all these fucking losers See after the game where the UNC players Were like taunting the Cameron crazies And then all the security staff from Duke Came out onto the court And they were trying to like push the UNC players off the court That they should not have security Those the security guards should be arrested I'm not a narc but someone had pointed out that one of the people that put their hands on a unc player was actually like the assistant athletic director or like associate athletic director of facilities or some bullshit title that he probably knows someone and he's probably married to a shishefsky or something he was touching unc players we got a problem in America, and it's the Duke cam and crazies throwing stuff and athletic directors touching players. I don't know if we can play Conference Championship Week.
We should get Jay Billis back on to answer for this. You know what? Nuance is lost amongst this generation, Big Cat.
So people probably won't even begin to understand what I'm saying. But if you're an employee of a school and you're putting your hands on people from another school you should be put in jail and the game is better without people that do that sort of thing so you can say all you want oh the athletic directors do a great job they contribute to the atmosphere of college basketball but the reality is they're not part of the game yeah the players are part of the game so answer for yourself you fucking loser college basketball is better when duke is the villains so i'm happy that i actually agree yeah so i'm happy i'm happy for the tournament i'm excited shut everyone up yeah there was it was just a great scene and just unc winning the the the acc outright on duke's court just beautiful could have scripted it better i'm beginning to think that they they coach that sort of thing at Duke.
Yeah. There's been- Choking in these big games.
Well, that and the legs. Yeah.
Duke has a leg problem. Yeah.
Grayson Allen, just right to Cal Filippowski. Filippowski's perfect.
He's just molded into just the fact that he wasn't actually injured, and we spent two weeks talking about storming courts, and then he's tripping people. Goddamn.
They just have such a great knack of just making these guys just so hateable it was also funny the way that the cameron crazies were dressed up because i do think they believe it's their senior night too oh yeah so they go hard they go hard for that and they show they showed up in like wrestling costumes and then they were so sad at the end of the game they're fucking dorks it reminded me of john of John Cena admonishing us while wearing the Peacemaker costume. Yeah.
You had just a bunch of crying, sad Duke fans wearing giant rubber golden gloves. It was perfect.
And it's crazy it's happening in this year. Kyle Filipowski just being so hated because this is the year where white ballers are back.
We're having, I saw the meme yesterday, you know, from like a wine aisle at the liquor store that says exciting whites. Yeah, exciting.
It was just underneath it said Dalton Connect, Cormac Ryan, and Reed Shepard, exciting whites. That's what college basketball has this year.
Yeah. Dalton Connect is so good.
Drop 40. He lost.
He lost, but he was so good. I think actually Cal is getting ready to – we have it wrong with the hot seat.
His team's playing so well, and Kentucky's so exciting. He might get like – can you get a job for the afterlife too? Because he has a job for life.
Yeah, that's his contract, right? Right. Whenever he decides to off himself.
Whenever he dies, that's when they move off. But I think maybe – Just get a Ouija board, and they can just ask Cal, drop a play.
What about AI? AI. Terry Jones made himself down in Texas to live forever.
We just get an AI Cal. Yeah.
Because he's... Kentucky is one of the...
Probably the most exciting team, I'll say. Exciting.
Not the best team. They're the most exciting team.
Because they don't really play a lot of defense but they can fucking every single guy can score Jim Cloud Apari upload them just upload them to the internet I think I think Kentucky can definitely outscore any team in NCAA basketball which is important that's important because typically you want to you can't you can't win games and lose them at the same time you can't outscore your opponent uh but yeah connect is fucking awesome so fun to watch but I i'm beginning to think that i might be right about him he might be able to get he might be able to get shoved around especially on defense he doesn't play a lot of defense yeah they lost they lost yeah and and they don't really ask him to play defense either they just say go stand out there and try to try to get in the way of somebody that's driving at the basket if you can if it's not too much work much work. But it was a fun day of college basketball.
We also had Dan Hurley. I love this storyline now that Dan Hurley, I think it's just the crowds just want Dan Hurley to fight him.
They want to fight Dan Hurley, and Dan Hurley just does not. He doesn't turn down any challenge.
There was a clip of him just being like, yeah, come on down here, and you'll get hurt to a Providence fan. Yeah, he did that again? Yeah.
He did that last week. No, I know.
That's what I'm saying. It's a theme.
And I, cause I think the fans are like, we want to, we want to fight Dan Hurley and most, most coaches will just keep walking. Or if you're John Shire, you'll stop and apologize for something.
But Dan Hurley just stands on the court after games. He's like, you want a piece? Come on down here.
And I believe him every single time. Do you think it would make John Shire more hateable if he did a press conference and he took responsibility for the fans throwing stuff on the court? If he was like, that's me.
You know what? That's my problem. Probably did.
And I need to personally work on that. He probably did.
Let me look. Sometimes if you take too much accountability for things, it makes you actually not accountable for anything at all.

Yeah, he did have a – there's a part of you that feels like you let them down

talking about the Duke fan base.

It was senior night.

We probably got caught up in some of that stuff.

So, yeah, he was – oh, wait.

Oh, yeah, here we go.

I just wanted to connect with the students.

They're amazing.

I still need to digest the film and take a step back.

I just thought they came out and hit us first.

Oh, so, yeah, he was talking about just, you know, apologizing to them, shaking hands.

Yeah, he probably will apologize for all of them.

Jay Billis should.

That's true.

Definitely.

We also, I want to just throw a note out there.

So, right now, we're at the point where we're obviously looking at the bubble.

Some teams are fighting for their lives. Max, I know you are.
You're fighting tooth and nail. I really want USC to make it into the tournament.
I've circled. They are so much fun to watch.
They beat Arizona late on Saturday night. They are fucking good now that they're fully healthy.
And there are these weird teams. Indiana is another team where it's like Indiana, they're not good record wise they probably won't get in but they're playing great basketball and that's like maybe we need to do like a secondary turn i guess that is the nit but just have the secondary tournament just be like teams that are really hot teams no one wants to play tournament well the problem is that the uh the better teams from big schools if they're if they're peaking at the right time they don't make NCAA tournament.
They just turn down the NIT. Yeah.
They think they're above that. Yeah, but Brawny tournament run would be funny.
Brawny tournament run? Yeah. You see that dunk he had in front of LeBron? Who would have thought LeBron James would be at that game? Oh, LeBron James had a great moment, too, with Jeannie Buss.
Did you see that clip? No. There were two women, one on either side of LeBron.
I don't know who the second one was. Oh, yes, yes.
And they both just started – Genie Buss was one of them, but they started grabbing him and, like, leaning on him. And then you can read LeBron's lips and what he says, and he stops them from hugging him.
And he's like, first of all, let me just say, happy International Women's Day to both of you. Love that.
And they just melt. It worked, yeah.
Savannah's watching that, freaking out. Yeah, love that from him.
Some exciting whites. Max, do you want to talk at all about the bubble because the bubble is is it's hot right now indiana state losing was not good for the bubble that was a great game and this is this is the time of year where i was i was telling the guys before him i just get caught up like today and it's obviously gambling related but i watched maybe an hour and a half of boston university University play Lehigh in a semifinal game.
I think both teams are under 500 and it was fucking electric because it was like a 20 point comeback. And these games, just every game matters and every game's fun.
Colgate was another one. I watched way too much Patriot League today.
Way too much Patriot. Arch Madness has been getting wild.
Arch Madness is awesome. but yeah.
Those random tournament games, you're just like why am I watching Patriot League?

Max, Bubble Watch, who do we need

to lose?

New Mexico losing yesterday was big.

We need Virginia to lose. We need

JMU to win. Yep.
Okay.

They're up six right now

with two minutes left in the semifinals.

The bubble sucks. It's my first time in my

entire life I've been in the bubble. It does suck.
Nova didn't make it last year, and they didn't make it in, I think, 2012. But other than that, it's like I've never been on the bubble.
I've never experienced this. It's so stressful.
Every game feels like a tournament game. I really don't like the matchup.
I mean, we'll beat DePaul. I mean, if we lose DePaul.
No, you'll kill DePaul. Yeah, we'll beat de paul and then marquette i i really wish we were playing creighton in the second round instead of marquette marquette gives us trouble yeah but no colic yeah no colic's coming back do they say that i thought they were waiting for the tournament if they wait for the tournament for him that's huge but i think he's coming back okay i feel like that they should wait but that would be.
I would love for them to wait. They should.
Yeah, they should. Who cares about the Big East tournament? You won the Big East tournament last year.
Yeah, who cares? You were the player of the tournament. Just be healthy.
We need a run in March. Don't worry about it.
Wait, so where does Joe Lenardi have you right now? The last team in. Oh! Oh, the last one.
Yes. So you just need...
Yeah, you were in full-on bubble math where you're like, we need no crazy teams to win tournaments that, like, a USC would kind of fuck you. Yes.
Indiana would fuck me. You need no surprises whatsoever.
Indiana also has. There's going to be, there's always, like, two or three.
Yeah, Max, you have to be, like, the Grinch of any team out there that's thinking that they can make a run and get to the NCAA tournament. Like USC, for example.
Any team that has an outside chance, a puncher's chance of winning the conference, you just have to be there to take a big shit on them. We're last team in before Indiana State lost today.
So I've also seen that Indiana State-va will be like kind of a toss-up. Okay.
So you're just bubble watch, baby. Yeah, bubble watch.
It sucks. I never do this.
Do you feel like you're too good for the bubble? Yeah, definitely. You're 17-13.
You lost to Penn and Drexel. I know.
That's the worst part of it. I pointed that out to Matt the other day.
If we didn't just go winless in the Big Five, this wouldn't even be a question. Yeah.
You're the worst team in your city. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
And that includes a team that might be shaving points. Yeah.
That's a wild story. Yeah.
That is wild. They won today.
That was the most obvious. We got to win one.
We got to win one to get us off. I was looking at the four games that they had for Temple that they had circled as irregular betting patterns.
They only hit on a 50% rate. So whatever the inside information was, that should actually just go to show you that for us, whenever we think we have an edge at something, even when you have a real edge, you only win 50% of the time.
Dude, that was like, I mean, it's basically if someone tweets that they're throwing games and everyone bets it the line goes i think when uab was like minus one and a half to seven it was kind of like ufc on uh saturday night which we'll talk about but there was like one tweet that was like sean o'malley's dealing with a rib injury and then i got that tweeted and dm'd me like seven times like, we all saw the tweet. This is not inside information.

You guys are all talking about it.

He probably doesn't even have a rib injury.

But, yeah, as soon as it hits our eyes, we're the suckers.

If information hits our eyes, everyone either knows or it's not real.

Yeah.

We're the late adopters.

We're the last people to know.

Akron.

Shout out Akron.

Yeah.

Shout out Akron.

Oh, yeah.

That was wild.

Yeah.

By the way, so Wisconsin lost to Purdue today. Zach Eadie's senior day.
He's finally, finally done. The bad news is Purdue's just got another one.
They have another one. They have a 7-2.
His name's Wilberg. I thought you were talking about his 10-year-old brother.
No, they got another one. They brought out there to dunk on a Fisher-Price.
7-2 Wilberg from Stockholm, Sweden. Okay.
They just build them in a factory. That's just what they do.
But I like that. I like that you have that continuity at certain colleges.
Yeah. Where you're like, at Purdue, they're always going to have a tall, lanky dude.
And at Pittsburgh, they're going to have a guy with a giant ass. And at Duke, they're going to have a guy that tries to trip everyone.
Yeah, and a coach that apologizes. Yes.
I like having these like long-term themes that i can associate with schools yes but uh yeah it was a great it was a great finale to the college basketball regular season we're now in the conference championship week i cannot wait four tickets punched four tickets punched morehead state dr wood drake and stetson for the first time in school history yeah love that love that so we uh yeah So, yeah, we're starting to see the bracket. Bracketology's going.
Also, in the women's college basketball, we had one of the coolest brawls and ejections in the SEC championship where I think like how many women got ejected? I want to say six. Yeah, it was awesome.
Yeah, it was great. The big girl on South Carolina.
Cardoso. She's really, really good.
She's the one who hit the buzzer beater in the last game. Yeah, which was one of the worst defensive things I've ever seen.
Tennessee was just like, we're just not going to guard that person who has the ball. But Cardoso, who's very good, that might be the start of the championship DVD.
I know they're undefeated and they're the best team, but her having everyone's back like that and just being like, here comes the train, get off the tracks. A couple funny things about that.
One, when she ran her over, that was awesome. Awesome.
Two, the referee just being like, I don't get paid enough to deal with this. I'm not going to interfere with this fight.
And then three, the one girl's brother jumping over the scorer's table to come down onto the court to get himself in the fight and then seeing how big they were and being like no thanks never mind and then immediately gets arrested for it i was hoping is it fucked up but if you gave me truth serum i want to see like a malice at the palace in the wba it would be cool i want to see i and it would be funnier you're going to get some it would be a banner moment in the history of the internet no matter what how it shook out but can you imagine if like cardosa went into the stands and beat the fuck out of a dude. It would be funnier.
You're going to get some – it would be a banner moment in the history of the internet no matter what, how it shook out. But can you imagine if Cardozo went into the stands and beat the fuck out of a dude? It would be awesome.
That would be so fun. It would be so sick.
Yeah, there was a moment where I think they had gotten it wrong on the broadcast, but it was going to be just an electric first round of the tournament where they were explaining it and they're like everyone who's ejected is now not eligible to play in the first round. It turns out it was just everyone who's ejected for fighting.
Yeah. But for a moment there, it was like South Carolina is going to play their first round game with six players, which they would have won anyway.
Yeah. But it was I was like, oh, this would this is going to be incredible to watch.
But yeah, that was cool. South Carolina is undefeated.
The Lady Cox doing some big things yeah and uh steph kurt or caitlin clark breaks steph curry's record uh so yeah we got and she also remade kobe's pictures for the big 10 tournament championship that was a little much so i think tough celebrating big 10 championship i think i think the way it worked was like there was there was a lady i think she was a reporter in the locker room that asked her hey i understand will you do this oh i understand how it happened but if you're caitlin clark you gotta be smart and say no when i maybe when i win the championship then i'll have the jacket ready to go because first of all you can't remake that picture without that jacket right or at least a similar jacket the jacket makes the picture yeah that was that was a little much but i like it still because caitlin clark gets people angry yeah no matter what she does she gets people angry she's great she's great for the sport and she's great for sports discourse uh okay i also think kim mulkey the coach at lsu is great for discourse she's great because no matter no matter what she says afterwards you're gonna be like i can't believe she said that yeah no and she just uses what was her quote uh wait how do you spell is it m-u-l-s-k-e-y-k-e-y she also gets dressed up like cruella de vil on on acid which is always fun to watch yeah she had a great quote after what was it uh oh she was just she was actually mad at her team for the big ones not going after her. I agree.
Yeah, but you don't hear that often. You got big boy.
That was some little boy ass play. Yeah, Kim Mulkey said it.
Yeah, so whatever. Yeah, she's something else too.
Okay. Can you imagine being a waiter at a restaurant and Kim Mulkey comes to your table i would just quit yeah i would just be like what holiday is going on right now i would just be like fuck this i don't get paid enough yeah are you in a bachelorette party what's going on right now why are you dressed like this no that's a she lives life like she's celebrating her own divorce party yeah constantly yes all the time constantly.
Before we talk, let's talk some NFL. Let's talk some free agency.
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Okay. Mac Jones traded to the Jaguars.
Coming home. That was the saddest part of that chef retreat.
He's a Duval guy. He's like, he played high school football in Jacksonville.
Yeah, he's a Duvall guy. Going back to Jacksonville.
Is Trevor Lawrence going to be looking over his shoulder? That'll be a narrative. How long were you in love with Mac Jones for? Probably like five games.
I was never fully convinced. Can I guess what game did it for you? The snow game? No.
I thought it wasgers game remember that yeah like there was a game first couple weeks in the covid was it not no it wasn't the two years ago yeah where it was like i think he had like a 99 yard drive you guys were like he's the he's the next tom brady well we went to the playoffs and was like all right new quarterback pro bowl playoff pro bowl belichick he'll figure it out you remember that Monday night game where Belichick was like, you're not going to pass the ball at all? Yeah, that was great. That was a great game, yeah.
So, are you ready to say he's not the guy? Yeah. I think you had already said it.
We now have, though, the 2021 draft in record time might be the worst quarterback draft of all time because Trevor Lawrence now now so the guy Mac Jones was drafted 15th Trevor Lawrence first Mac Jones is already his backup and like I don't know if Mac Jones how many more games is he gonna play in the NFL that's gotta be tough for the ego too because they're the same age they grew up right highly recruited going to quarterback so it was always you know they were always in the conversation together right he got drafted starting quarterback and now he has to back up you know trevor lawrence that's gonna be very someone that he's known his entire life instantly so yeah in his own town yeah so trevor lawrence uh drafted first zach wilson who's the best of the class but he also just took a step back. I'm going to miss the Jets-Patriots games where Zach Wilson, who's the best of the class, but he also just took a step back.
God, I'm going to miss the Jets-Patriots games where it's Zach Wilson, Mack Jones, just going back and forth playing tummy sticks. Yeah.
Seeing who can throw the saddest interception. Just suck it.
Those were such great games. So, yeah, Trevor Lawrence, number one.
Zach Wilson, two. Trey Lance, three.
He's in witness protection. The second best quarterback in this draft class is Justin Fields, who's drafted 11th, who like his trade value seems to be plummeting by the second where it's like now the Bears might keep him.
And then Mac Jones 15. So there's five quarterbacks drafted in the first 15 picks in that 2021 draft.
and four out of five of them just three years, or in the fourth year, will be on different teams. You know what we should do? Let's redraft that draft class.
Number one. Trevor Lawrence.
I'm going to take Justin Fields. Yeah, I'd probably – yeah, Trevor Lawrence.
Number two, I'll go Trevor. Number three, Trey Lance.
You never know. I think Trey Lance has been out of a job for long enough where you forget how bad he looked when he did play.
Yeah. So now it's like, think about the upside.
Yeah, you know what? Actually, my number one, I'm going to change it. I'm going to go Jamar Chase.
Okay, that's good, yeah. Jamar Chase, number one.
Panay Sewell, number two. would that would be better uh yeah micah parsons also was drafted uh 12th so there were four of those terrible quarterbacks taken before micah parsons say something nice about mac jones i'd rather have mac jones and zach wilson i don't know yeah i don't know wilson in the right system i don't know as a backup I don't know.
Zach Wilson in the right system. I don't know.
As a backup? I don't know. I think Mac Jones might have the worst vibes.
Worse than Zach Wilson's vibes? Zach Wilson, remember, he wasn't supposed to play last year, and he came in and he tried his hardest. Yeah.
Mac Jones, like all reports are that he's just been a pouty little bitch. There's a problem with Mac Jones also.
Zach Wilson has a lot of bad tape that will follow him around, but I don't think he has a single moment that's as bad as getting stiff-armed against the Raiders. And the hurt ankle when he came off the field.
And if you actually had to say, like, who would you rather have, I think you'd have to take Zach Wilson just from arm strength. Throw everything else out.
Yeah, don't even talk about the guys, whatever. They both stink, but one guy has a really strong arm, the other guy doesn't.
But what about this? Mack Jones gives off better backup quarterback vibes. I don't think so.
I think Zach Wilson, the arm strength is too much. Dude was a backup quarterback this year and he did a bad job.
Didn't he talk to the Jets and was like, this is a shit show? He was leaking information. That's the backup quarterback.
We have tape of him as a backup quarterback being not a good backup quarterback because he was just pouting and leaking stuff. Zach Wilson was a backup quarterback and he shouldn't have even been playing and he's like, I'm going to fucking try my hardest.
I don't know. I don't think it's even close.
But when I say I would take Mac Jones for the vibes, I'm saying that more along the lines of, like, he's not as talented as Zach Wilson, so he feels like a better backup quarterback to me. I think Mac Jones would, like, he would actively, like, oh, like he sees, you, he sees something loose in a chair that Trevor Lawrence is about to sit in.
He's like, I'm going to let him just sit there so he can break his leg and I can get in. Trevor leaves something behind, doesn't tell him that he left his wallet in the room.
Like he sees Trevor's wife. He's like, oh, yeah, you should have been with us last night.
We were out to like 3 a.m. partying it up.
What? I don't know. It's an interesting – Doesn't that feel like that's kind of what the vibe? Well, okay.
I think he's anti-backup quarterback. Yeah.
So they got – I think he needs to just go back to Tuscaloosa and just make a shitload of money being like, remember when I was awesome? Because he was awesome in college. Yeah, he was very good.
You can't take that away from him. They got a six-roundround pick for him do you think that Zach Wilson's he's going to fetch a six-rounder no they'll probably have to they'll probably have to add a pick the Jets will probably probably give one back yeah yeah they'll probably have to add a pick but that's also because Zach Wilson has like he had to play the whole string out this year and it was like really you know oh yeah he really really isn't good yeah um i just yeah i think i'd rather have zach wilson around as long as your mom's yeah i was gonna say like as long as your mom's out there what trevor lawrence's mom looked like no you mean mac jones oh trevor lawrence yeah uh i don't know is she the type of lady that you would want mac jones around or not or zach i? I'm going to guess no.
Yeah. Wait, you're saying Zach Wilson? Zach Wilson.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think, yeah.
Zach Wilson, I think I could be sold on Zach Wilson. Same.
As a backup. As just a project.
Zach Wilson, here's the other thing. Zach Wilson definitely has the could win you a crazy game if he comes in and like, because he's done it.
He did it week one mac jones doesn't have that like if we're watching week 15 and trevor lawrence goes down with a concussion in the first quarter first quarter you're like they're fucked wherever zach wilson ends up if that happens you're like maybe i think mac he's a gunslinger mac jones could come in and preserve a lead provided you're up by 20 points you hand the ball hand the ball off yeah he'll be good at kneeling. Zach Wilson, once every four or five games, is going to be able to throw for 270 yards.
Two touchdowns, two interceptions. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. And I do think that from everything that's been said about Zach Wilson, he's not the worst team.
He's learned. He was a bad teammate, but he's learned from his mistakes.
And remember, he had that whole thing where he was still kind of blaming everyone. He's kind of learned from that.
It felt like everyone started feeling bad for him, and he had the whole story arc. You think Mac is going to benefit from a change of scenery, though? No.
We can talk about the Patriots' dynasty documentary later, but they really make Belichick seem like an asshole. Yeah, I mean, and I will say the only thing you could say in pro mac jones is the patriots did not set him up for success that's a fact like you there's parts of this that he did not he was not put in the best position um but still i don't i don't i don't think it's like mac jones is is about to be a multi-time pro bowler, and they just fucked it up in someone else.

Like, wouldn't you say Justin Fields has a better chance

of, like, having a really good second part of his career?

Absolutely.

Mac Jones, I think he would benefit greatly

if he just took on the Chase Daniel mold,

where he just kind of like...

I don't think he's got that person.

Where if he was just in a room and didn't say anything

for the next 10 years and still got paid.

Like, Hank, you're not nervous at all that Mac Jones, like you're gonna be you know you traded him in division you're not like oh man this is gonna suck five years from now i have that like mac jones somehow is good not division i mean sorry in conference like justin fields i do have that in the back of my head that there's a world where he could end up being pretty good. No, I have zero fear.
Yeah. Okay, other news.
Baker, $100 million contract, $50 million guaranteed. Awesome story.
Yep. Like, the guy was basically, he won a playoff game for the Browns who had not been in the playoffs in forever.
Gets, you know, that falls apart. Goes to the Panthers.
Gets cut from the Panthers. He did ask for his release.
Goes to the Rams. Basically, like, it's over for Baker.
Plays decent enough down the stretch for the Rams that he gets a one-year, $4 million contract with the Bucs. Everyone has written him off.
And now he's getting a three-year, $100 million, $50 million guaranteed. guaranteed i'm just happy for baker i'm very happy for him i i always thought he got a raw deal from the browns so uh it's it's good to see a guy that bets on himself hits on it it's cool i think he's a good fit for that team you probably aren't in a position where you'd be able to draft a good quarterback anyways why bring in a new quarterback if you already got a guy that won a playoff game now it was against the eagles who were basically yes the worst team in the nfl at the time yes but he still won a playoff game so i'm very happy for baker yeah he was he it felt like his career was teetering for a minute there and now he gets this uh money which is also good because it wasn't that story like a few months ago that baker basically got robbed of a lot of his money? Yeah.
Which is crazy. By one of his closest advisors.
So I'm extra happy for Baker for this. We also had Jerry Judy to the Browns, which I bet you he's going to end up being good.
The Broncos are just getting rid of everybody. Jerry Judy used to be good.
I don't know what happened to him last year. Russell Wilson's not good.
Russell Wilson, but Cortland Sutton still looked pretty good at times last year. Jerry Judy did not.
Breaking moves, breaking moves. Breaking moves.
Adam Schefter reports nine-time Pro Bowl QB and former Super Bowl champ Russell Wilson plans to sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Our league sources.
This is perfect for a guy that loves bathrooms and loves toilets. Yeah, the Pittsburgh bathroom.
Big Cat, the Pittsburgh toilet, which is just a toilet in any room. It can be in a kitchen, a living room.
It's usually in the basement. It can be in a basement.
I've seen some that are in the kitchen. Yeah, the basement is usually where, that's where the high-class Pittsburgh's toilet is.
However however many rooms he has that's how many toilets he's going to have in this house also huge for him black is a very slimming color yeah he might have just chosen that purely because of uh that simple fact he would have looked very fat in a giants uniform the chunkiness and those silver pants make his ass look big yeah uh russell wilson just released a statement in video form do you want to listen to his video live I would love to the Russell Wilson announcement it says you're 13 grateful Steelers let's see what Russ has to say be careful it's spicy oh this my mind. I don't think we can play this on YouTube or Rumble.
Okay. But he played Renegade.
It's a bunch of terrible towels being waved around. He played Renegade.
That's awesome. That's it.
Okay, good. Good job, Russell Wilson.
I'd say Russell Wilson gets it. This just went literally, this is how stupid my brain is.
It went from what the fuck are the Steelers doing to that was genius. Yeah.
Oh, him and Mike Tomlin are not going to get along. I want to call that right now.
I think they'll get along for a little bit. I don't know.
And then Mike Tomlin will be like, this guy's annoying. Because Mike Tomlin and Sean Payton are very similar in terms of, if he thought he was escaping having a hard-ass head coach by leaving the Broncos.
But this is what we talked about because he doesn't have the guaranteed starting job, I would assume. He's going to have to play for it.
Every job. That's Tomlin.
Every job is for competition. But that definitely, I mean, with Kenny and mason ruff like he's gonna have to play for his job so it's not a guarantee that russ is the starting quarterback i i love this for pittsburgh get something to talk about here yeah and i would love for big ben to get involved somehow being like i'll show you the ropes because that's just a buddy cop film that i need to see big ben and russell wilson just they they don't have anything in common.
Oh, no. Big Ben is a born-again Christian.
Oh, okay. He's a new man.
They have that. They're going to go to church together for sure.
Yeah. They're going to worship together.
They probably won't go to the bar together. Probably not.
Probably not. Russell Wilson does love bathrooms, though.
Yeah, that's true. Russell Wilson, a Pittsburgh Steeler.
What crazy breaking moves. Crazy

breaking moves. I think it'll look good in black

and gold. Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.
I do think

that he probably, that had to have at least

10% of

his decision making was like,

which color do I look best in? Black?

Yeah. Like, if I had to sign with an NFL

team right now, I'd probably sign with the Steelers

just so that I don't look fat.

Like, that's just as simple as it could get. then Kevin Byard signed by the Bears Max is he washed or the Eagles was the Eagles defense so bad that we can't judge it um I don't know you get cut from two two teams in one year I feel like that kind of tells you what a guy I like it guy is I like it just because the Bears going into the draft,

like fill as many holes in free agency that you then can take.

Because like they need safety.

They need another wide receiver.

They need some offensive line help.

They need some defensive line help. If you can get a few of those in free agency,

then the draft you're not like overextending yourself

because like we need to fill this hole

so you can actually take best player available. Yeah, Bayard was one of those guys that everyone thought would be a super big impact last year like he was still the best in the league i don't think that's the case anymore yeah but whatever uh veteran uh and like i said you want to get to a spot where you can take best player available i also want to just say something real quick um and this is not specifically this is not for any of those fucking sickos and perverts in green bay who are going viral on tiktok every time i say something like this there's been a lot of freaking out this week because like the kale it's basically sitting here for two months waiting for the draft everything's going to be said um caleb williams is going to be really good he's going to be really fucking good in the nfl he's going to be really good for the Bears.
I feel that in my bones. I know that people will take this clip, and in three years they'll shove it back in my face, but I do not care.
I'll say it right now. Everyone just chill out.
Caleb Williams is getting drafted by the Bears, and he's going to be a franchise quarterback for the Bears. You just want to get that out there.
I've been feeling it all weekend because everyone's freaking out, and I do think that i'll be the first to put my hand up um i think as a fan base we've probably overrated justin fields a little bit and you can see it by the fact that people aren't clamoring for uh a trade i i still think there's something there that he could be good but you know there's there's a little hand wringing being like what you know it's this fear of what if he ends up being this incredible? Don't worry. Cale Williams is going to be awesome.
So I think some of the fear with Justin Fields is the uncertainty and also the way that his contract is set to kick in versus signing an established veteran. If you get Kirk Cousins and you're the Falcons, you're like, well, we want to take a swing at winning now.
It's not as risky of a proposition, even though you're going to pay him a fuckload of money right it's not as risky as getting getting Justin in the door and saying okay we're gonna take a chance on him and see how he pans out and then we can make a decision about the long term and then given how many good quarterbacks apparently there are on this draft I think a lot of teams are like why yeah why are we gonna pay him in one year when we can just draft a guy who we think is pretty good right and pay that guy right no money for the next four years but uh just everyone relax caleb is gonna be awesome i really really do feel it and hanks give me a little smirk and that's fine because i know that this will be clipped that's fine i feel it and i'll uh in three years i'll feel it even more he's gonna be fucking sick everyone just chill out this is the time when the draft specifically tries to fuck with people's heads and they pick everyone apart so much that you spend there like i wish the draft was tomorrow there's a lot of get it done with there's a lot of a lot of smoke screens out there yeah i want i want some a lot of bad information to come out about caleb williams just just to see if the bears are dumb enough to pass on him no they're not they're not they're not enough no team would be dumb enough to pass and congrats Hank that you're going to get a new quarterback yeah that was that was the Matt Jones trade was very I mean we all knew it but it's now official you're getting a new quarterback you don't have to do any of the hand ring not that you were but you get a new quarterback James Hoyles that's who you want Daniels okay that's going to be – again, we talked about this on Friday, but one of us is going to make the wrong choice. Not me.
I already made the choice. Not you.
That's great. Speaking of Kirk Cousins, did you see his grill? Yes.
You got a grill last week? Yeah. It's like all gold.
He went to the dentist, and it was a temporary grill that they put in to go along with the Kirk Oko change image that he has i have a theory about it okay much like taylor swift and attending that jets game so that when people googled taylor swift jets her private jet oh yeah i think kirk cousins got that grill yeah so that people when they tried to look up the the tasteless bland meat that he used to cook on his grill on tin foilfoil. The unseasoned chicken on tinfoil on his grill.
It was steak. Was it steak? It was steak.
It looked like whatever the fuck that Stingray is going to give birth to. It looked like some bland-ass seafood or something.
But I think he did that so that people would see that grill instead of his food that he cooks. Yeah.
Which is smart. Very smart.
I think Kirk Cousins- It's the Disney Frozen. Say what you want about Kirk Cousins, but the man plays 20-dimensional chess, whether it be with his contracts or his Google search results.
I also shout out Kirk Cousins because we made a big fucking deal about Aaron Rodgers' Achilles all year and how he's back and he beats science. I saw Kirk Cousins, I think it was one of his son's birthdays,

he was at a ropes course and he was 40 feet in the air

doing a walenda across a rope.

That Achilles is good to go.

Yeah, he's set.

And he's not making a big deal of it.

Yeah.

He's just good to go.

Yeah, that's just good clean living.

Yeah.

That's what not mainlining Ayahuasca will do for you. So shout out Kirk Cousins.
Yeah, it looks like he might be the Falcons quarterback. We'll see.
That's what everyone – it's either Falcons or Vikings. Well, his wife is from Georgia.
Yeah. So it's a done deal.
And it also – isn't it perfect it's Falcons or Vikings? They're kind of like long-lost, tragic heroes. Yeah, the other side of the same – that's the Morton Andersonon anderson kick yeah was falcons over vikings now maybe kirk cousins uh okay anything else before we get to who's back ufc 299 was awesome i don't know if anyone had in there who's back it was also just great to see dustin poirier beat the fuck out of a french guy uh that was just cool yeah for me i'm a casual i openly admit it i watched the big fights that's about it the sound that the knee made yeah against was it the nose or the mouth Cheeto's nose he Sean O'Malley said afterwards like I felt something break in his face the noise that it made I listened to it like 20 times it's disgusting and I couldn't look away Sean O'Malley was insane how good he was against cheeto vera because she i i haven't i don't think i've seen that in a long time where you're watching a fight and cheeto vera even in the first few rounds he was flinching he was like he could have they could have stopped the fight and had sean o'malley give him two for flinching because sean o'malley was just coming from all different ankles angles and so fast um, that sound, that was crazy.
You should actually sample that sound and put it into a song. It was like the snare beat on a track.
But so he is now going to move. You say you, you mean you.
I should. Yeah, yeah.
I do not have the ability. He's going to move up in weight.
He said he'll fight anywhere. Which, I mean, he can't move down.
He's the skinniest person on planet Earth. But I think he's going to move up 10 pounds for his next fight.
He was incredible. And it was a fun night.
I wanted a few more knockouts. But, yeah, the Dustin Poirier knockout where he felt like it was.
I also just love a guy like that. He kept on trying to guillotine BSD.
And after the first round, his corner was like, stop doing that. Every time you do that, he gets on top of you.
And literally 10 seconds in the second round, he just went right back at it. He's like, nah, I'm going to fucking do it.
Yeah, he had to. He's a student of history.
Yeah, he had to try. But yeah, it was a good UFC night.
Very fun. Saw the boys.
Saw Dave front row. The T-man.
President Trump coming around shaking hands. I think he actually, I texted with Dave right after because I saw it on Dave's face.
I think President Trump pulled Dave's arm out of his socket. If Dave texts me back, he's like, I was absolutely manhandled.
He does the aggressive handshake. It was the pull-in, and I saw it, and then Dave sat down in his face.
It was just pure pain. I was like, I think he just got manhandled.
I think maybe my favorite Trump clip was the Supreme Court justice that he was swearing in. Yeah.
And he was shaking their hand and just like grabs. He just alphas everyone.
Alphas everyone. You have to be ready for that.
If you're going to shake his hand, you have to. There was one guy.
If I ever meet him, I'm going to put one of those fake gag buzzers on my hand. I think you've got to pull first.
Yeah. Like if I ever shook his hand, I'd pull first and then hope maybe double pull because there was one head of state that he had like a real good back and forth where the guy was pulling back and giving him a real.
But, yeah, he just manhandles with his handshake, and it's just pure alpha. Actually, I changed my mind.
What I'm going to do is i'm going to go completely limp and he's

going to pull me and i'm going to fall forward and then i'm just going to wear a neck brace oh next like nine months yeah and that then morgan and morgan we're we're having a call i like that yeah i like that but yeah it was a good ufc night uh always fun big fight night it's always the best and it was i was battling with the time change and everything just battling trying i I had to have two ice creams late night just to try to stay awake.

As a man?

As a man. I was battling with the time change and everything, just battling, trying to.
I had to have two ice creams late night just to try to stay awake.

As a man?

As a man.

I had two ice creams by myself on the couch.

I actually ate two things of ice cream this weekend, too.

I was just like, there's only one way I'm staying up, ice cream.

I did one at night.

I left myself one for the main event.

I was like, just got to stay.

Because I wasn't thinking, like, I got to stay up for the main event. I was like, got to stay up for that second ice cream.
Also, Scotty Scheffler's back big time. Yeah.
He won, and it wasn't close. Scotty learned how to putt.
Good for the PGA. They needed someone big to win one of these.
They did. But even he was a big name, obviously, because he's Scotty Scheffler.
But what is he, 60-1 before the tournament? Damn. No, I don't think so.
There's no chance. He's probably one of the favorites.
Plus 600. Yeah.
Six to one. Six to one.
Yeah. Pretty big difference.
He'd be 60-1 if he was playing lefty. But he was a shitty putter until now.
And now he got a new putter. You got to figure it out.
And he's fucking dialed in. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
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I had Scotty Scheffler, but also Oppenheimer. Awards season.
Oppenheimer swept at the Oscars. Only movie I saw.
Best movie I saw. Christopher Nolan won his first Oscar, which is surprising, and so did Robert Downey Jr.
And no one got slapped. No one got slapped.
And John Cena kind of made a mockery of people who can't afford clothes. It was a shame.

I can't watch the Oscars anymore without a slap.

Somebody needs to get slapped every year.

Yeah.

I don't care who.

I don't care how.

Just have the most two volatile celebrities that you can find.

Drag them in there.

Hope that some fireworks happen.

Because it's such a letdown with no violence at these awards.

I know.

You really need something crazy to happen.

It's just, yeah.

I need someone to talk shit about someone.

Otherwise, what am I watching?

They should have brought Aaron Rodgers out there during Jimmy Kimmel's monologue.

That would have been great.

Give a live response to him, Aaron. That would have been great.

Yeah, just have it be a debate.

Yeah.

That would have been awesome.

Okay, did you think that that was the right winner for the Oscars?

How many movies did you see?

Just Oppenheimer.

Okay, same with me. You didn't see Barbie? Did not see Barbie.
I did not either. I saw Barbie.
It was good. Give us your review of Barbie, Max.
Funny. Oh, okay.
Funny how? It was entertaining. Empowering.
Empowering and funny. You were empowered by it? Oh, yeah.
As a man? For sure. I watched it by myself, honestly.
Oh. Okay.
It was fun. It was fun.
It was fun. It was a fun movie.
You watched it by yourself. It was fun.
That's a good review. So you think Barbie got robbed? Did it win anything? I don't know.
Who knows? It probably won something.

Best song?

Billie Eilish won.

Best colors?

Best colors?

No, they didn't get best wardrobe.

Oh, really?

Best soundtrack?

I know Billie Eilish won.

I don't know if that's best song or best soundtrack,

if that's different awards.

Yeah, Barbie won best soundtrack.

Oh, okay.

I saw that dog was there.

Oh, wait, no.

It was cool to see that dog in the office.

Oppenheimer got best score.

Oppenheimer cleaned up.

That's your Oscars recap.

PFT, your who's back.

My who's back of the week is Princess Kate.

Yes.

Princess Kate's back.

Our long national nightmare is over.

There's been some speculation about what Kate Middleton's been up to

because she had, like, what, abdominal surgery?

No, she had Brazilian butt lift. Well, that's what people are saying.
It might have been just giving her a little bit of that Pippa ass. And she's been out of public now.
She got a BBL. That's what people are saying.
We don't know what she had. Streets are talking.
Well, she just came back with a rack. But anyways, she got abdominal surgery of some sort, and then she hasn't been seen for a very long time.
So they put out a photo of her today. The Royal family did.
And it's her and her kids. And then within about two hours, the photo was taken down and the associate press said, stop publishing this.
We've determined that it's fake. Oh, so, and if you zoom in on her kids hands, that's how you can tell.
So AI is not good enough yet to do hands. Whoa.
They can do everything else. But like, if you look at some of those taylor swift pictures the hands are fucked up so you zoom in on her kids she doesn't have six fingers when she was kissing andy reed no no apparently that wasn't real oh but they're making uh the kids are doing like these weird hand symbols maybe illuminati shit i don't know and then uh her daughter's like first finger is way bigger than the other so they determined that they had edited the picture and it had been done using AI or at least advanced Photoshop.
Whoa. So the plot thickens.
Well. We don't know if she's still alive or not.
I thought the biggest story of... Well, no, there was a picture of her in a car with her mother wearing sunglasses last week.
Okay. That was the first one we saw.
But the big story out of this is where the fuck does England get off having a different Mother's Day? What? Today was Mother's Day in England. Like Queen Mother? No, the post was Happy Mother's Day.
That was the post. That's weird.
And everyone was like, it's Mother's Day in England today. You don't get to.
We decide Mother's Day. That's what we fought a war about.
You don't fucking get to decide Mother's Day. You don't get to do a different Mother's Day.
Also, Mother's Day in March. No, Mother's Day should be farther along in spring, close to summer.
You get a nice little brunch. All that shit.
Yeah. What the fuck is England doing with a Mother's Day? It has some...
In March. I bet you one of the queens...
It's conference championship week. I bet you one of the queens flipped it around because it was closer to her birthday.
That's bullshit. That's what I think.
That was a big story to me. I was like, there's...
And then everyone's like, yeah, it's conference championship week i bet you one of the queens flipped it around because it was closer to her birthday that's bullshit that's what i think that was a big story to me i was like there's and then everyone's like yeah it's mother's day i saw our friend troops did a happy mother's day to his mom it's not mother's day it's not mother's day it was international women's day on sunday you want to or on saturday you want to go back to back imagine having a mother's day when when fucking Lehigh is coming back from 20 points.

That was John Rothstein joining us the show.

Imagine having Mother's Day when Eastern Tennessee State comes back and wins in overtime.

No.

It's way too early for that.

Mother's Day should be the fucking pink bats.

Someone hits a home run.

They cry.

That's Mother's Day.

Yep. Yeah.
I don't like that. Like Father's day is the u.s open yeah right or right yeah right around there yeah it should you follow that up how do you get caught to an ai i don't know i don't know all right i'm looking oh yeah see this kid's fingers fingers also their faces i immediately before i even that might be the inbred part though yeah it could be the inbred part but they were all doing this weird ass like open mouth smile but yeah they're the kid's fingers are all fucked they tried to pull a fast one on us i'm so glad that we don't have a king and queen although it would kind of rock if it was like who would be our king probably the rock and dolly parton america's king and queen oh man people are picking Oh, yeah, and then you've got all the super fans of the royal family telling people to back off and stop picking this apart.
No, you posted a fake picture on a fake Mother's Day. You posted the fake picture on fake Mother's Day, and they're a fake family that you pay taxes just to have them live a cool life so they can be your little mascots.
Yeah,'s bbl that's what i'm going with it was funny because i got onto this uh story like maybe two weeks ago it hit my radar and it was and i searched it and it was just a bunch of women being like you you guys are so late to this story we've been talking about kate middleton for two months they were all all over it, yeah. I was just like, shit, okay.
All right, my Who's Back of the Week is boxing. Boxing is back because Anthony Joshua knocked the fuck out of Francis Ngannou, and that feels good for boxing.
No, nothing against Francis Ngannou. And by the way, he made the right choice.
He made $20 million to get knocked out in the second round. But I am a boxing purist in the fact that i want boxers to always beat people who show up whether it be a tiktoker or an actual fighter who's a really good fighter in francis and gone anyone who shows up into a boxing ring with no boxing training i want them to lose every time it's just good to be like boxers are different you know how you can you can speed you can look at like super fast nfl players be like they don't have track speed though yeah put them in it you put them you put them in an arena with a uh like 100 meter dash specialist they'll get dusted i do like seeing that too where it's like the sweet science prevails above all or even reverse 100 meter yard debt like usain bolt trying to catch a football yeah yeah see can't wouldn't work can't play with big boys yeah i, I like that.
So shout out Anthony Joshua for standing up for boxing. I also feel the same way about closers in baseball.
It's like if you put a closer in to pitch the third inning and just one inning, they couldn't do it. It's a different thing.
Yeah. Or you're the Tampa Bay Rays.
Yep. And you just do that every game.
Or you're the Phillies in the World Series. Yeah.
And the Astros pitch a no-hitter against you. You get no hits.
Okay. Jake, you're who's back.
My who's back of the week is the Wild, as in the actual Wild hockey team. Yes, saw this.
They pulled off a crazy thing. They pulled their goalie in overtime, and it paid off.
Yeah. I've never seen that before.
I like that. I like that.
Just go for it. Playing four on three, it was great.
But if it backfired, that coach, he would have gotten some questions. I like it, though.
Now we're going to see different coaches maybe emulate that, and it's going to backfire so hard in somebody's face eventually. Yeah.
It's a ballsy thing. If it works, you're a genius, and if it doesn't work, then you're the biggest dumbass on planet Earth.
But the the fact that it worked this time i just love that you're going to get some of the dumber coaches try to implement it on their own without incorporating like the correct strategy to using it it reminds me of uh when peter la florbe blindfolded himself in sudden death people were like what are you doing you're an idiot and then it worked then it worked yeah then he's smart i was a big fan of this uh okay good's back, everyone. Let's get to our interview.
We have Rick Pitino in studio, like 45 minutes. And, yeah, it was great.
We talked about everything. We talked about the stalker.
We told him that we've made some jokes. We didn't get into the specifics of jokes because I was feeling the room.
I don't think that we wanted to just repeat the jokes we've made. So Big Cat and I had a little conversation before Rick came in.
And we came to the determination that it would probably be best to just try to do a normal good interview with him. As opposed to having him become openly, instead of antagonizing.
Well, he was nice enough to come in. And we're not going to just do a bunch of jokes that go over his head and then make him look bad.
But we did address that we've made those jokes when we brought up the stalker. I feel like we did a very good job.
And I won't say that we're going to never do the jokes again, but I did enjoy the fuck out of that interview. I wanted to come back on.
You might have said that. No, we've said that yeah i think said that i think i i saw uh i think it was in 2016 we said we'd never do the jokes again yeah it's been a while uh but no we at the end we asked if we had permission to do the joke yes so tune in tune in and make sure to listen to the end of that yeah there were two or three times during the interview where i was over here just biting my tongue yeah and then i did one intentionally at the end just to fuck with you that was not intentional the one i asked the

question i asked yeah i i there again there's you could probably see on tape there's one time where

i'm gonna pass out because i'm holding my breath yeah uh okay uh before we do that we got a quick

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest.

It is head coach of St. John's basketball.

It is Rick Pitino, legend of the game.

Coach, first of all, thank you so much for making time for us.

I know you've got a busy schedule.

Appreciate you stopping by.

We've got a million questions, your career. You've been in basketball for so long.
We're huge sports fans. But I wanted to start with St.
John's in this season. You guys are on bubble watch right now.
How does it feel? I mean, you have to be, from your entire career, being back even in the bubble, you're like, this is great. I'm loving it, I would assume.
Well, first, thanks for having me. This really helps my street cred in New York.
Yeah. Okay.
You know, being on the bubble, I've had it so many different ways. Iona was, I was a nervous wreck this time of year because you go through, you win 25 regular season games, you go down to Atlantic City, and if you don't win that tournament, you're done.
So being on the bubble is great. We have two games remaining, which I think if we win,

get us off the bubble, get us in the hunt.

And you want to be playing, the most important thing of anything

is to be playing your best basketball come much.

It's one thing to get into a tournament.

It's another thing to play great at this time of year,

and I'm hoping we are.

Yeah, I've noticed that your team's lateral quickness

and agility has been much improved over the last two weeks.

Any idea maybe why that happened?

That was premeditated.

It wasn't a rant.

I wanted my team to start to play better defense.

I know how to motivate them.

And immediately, they wanted to show me their lateral quickness.

And what I tried to explain to them is in the NBA, nobody can stop anyone. Celtics had 80 points the other day and a half.
So in order for us to stop anyone without lateral quickness, I mean, we're not Jokic, we're much better than that. And he's the best player in basketball, but it's got to be a team stopping them.
This is not the NBA where the offense is so awesome. You can't stop anybody.
We've got to rely on five guys in the gaps helping each other out to stop people.

In the last two games, we've gotten that.

Yeah, so when you make those comments in the press, like you said, it was premeditated.

Did your players know you were going to say that?

It didn't bother them in the least.

It bothered other people, but it didn't bother them.

If that's the worst comment they can get, they're a little slow laterally or physically a little weak. That's the worst they ever hear in life.
I mean, we got to toughen up a little bit. When my players leave me, they're tough individuals.
They're able to handle adversity. They don't wilt when something bad happens.
And it's incredible because you are a little bit of a relic of the past in that sense, where there's a lot of coaching, especially in sports now, where it's maybe not as tough on the kids. But I love it.
And I would assume like when you're recruiting kids, when you're bringing kids in, they know what they're buying here. They know what they're getting into.
Like Coach Patino is going to coach you tough and make you a tough individual. Well, the first thing you do is every single morning.
I have four player development sessions that go 45 minutes. So if you're coming to play for me every single day, you're going for 45 minutes and you're going hard to improve your game.
When Donovan Mitchell came to me, he had a line drive shot and he wanted to come play for me because of those player development sessions. Then you have your weight training, then you have your afternoon practice and you have all these things go into the making of a really good basketball player.

So some people may not want that.

Some people want that.

But I'm up front with them right from the beginning.

If you don't love the game as much as I love it, I eat, sleep, drink it.

It's part of my my blood system.

And if you don't have that, go somewhere else.

I'm fine with that.

Yeah.

Have you had guys who have in your past like they just not quit, but then like, hey, I can't do this a little too tough i've been lucky i've had great transfers in before this portal stuff i had mark pope the the coach of byu travis ford the coach of st louis i've had some really great terry anderson who came in from ohio state great transfers that have done remarkably well at low david padgett uh came from kansas to to me yeah so i've had great success with that and i think the guys that can't play that way it's not because of a lack of effort it just may not be their level of play right coach can i just say i'm a little bit disappointed in you today because when we found out that you were coming in i was very very excited and i was hoping you were going to wear the white suit and we didn't get the white suit you're wearing the tracksuit i knew this morning i was. I was like, you know what? Rick's going to come in here.
He's going to be wearing a nice St. John's tracksuit and that's fine, but I really wanted the white suit.
How do you determine when you break the white suit out? Well, it's a white out first. I wasn't going to do it.
Obviously, I'm 71 and I think that's a little past my prime as far as looking good. I think you pulled it off.
But I wanted to do it to relax my players. They thought it was the coolest thing.
And when I came out, they would just say, we got to win, we got to win. And it got them.
They needed to win this game. Creighton's a very good basketball team.
It got them to relax a little bit, so it was worth it. Yeah, I think that us as fans should know when the white suit is coming so we can adequately prepare for it.
I would have definitely bet on you if I knew that the white suit was coming st john's money line absolutely but you know the reason i know that you love basketball is you're probably the first person ever to move from hawaii to syracuse new york yeah it's got to be like a club of one of one and you did it you did to coach college basketball obviously was there a small part of you that was like hawaii's pretty good i might just stay here for a while. You know, Jim Boeheim actually, it was my wedding night.
He came in on my wedding night to recruit me. I was going on my honeymoon to go to Syracuse.
He was just named head coach. And I spent four hours with him.
And back then you didn't get, they didn't have a registers where you sign up and register to send some, you got envelopes. The Italians get envelopes filled with a hundred dollar bills.
So I said to him, if you go up and open up the envelopes, I'm going to meet with this gentleman for an hour. Four hours later, I took the Syracuse job.
And I said, I've got great news. Instead of going to Hawaii on a honeymoon, you get to go to Syracuse and stay in Jim Boeheim's home while I go to Cincinnati to recruit Louis Orr.
So a little bit different. Yeah, I mean, that shows you love it.
Like that's- You know, I really do. I absolutely eat, sleep, and drink the game.
I love the game. I love March Madness.
I love the Big East Tournament. I love everything about basketball because it's five guys getting together.
Even if you have your limitations, you can really help a team win. And basketball to me is the ultimate team game.
And I just love the page pageantry behind it i love what happens in march madness if you said to me now who do you think is going to win i can name you eight teams i legitimately could win this thing yeah and i mean it's also a testament like after the louisville stuff you didn't retire like you could have easily retired and you know been with your horses and had a great life and you're like no I love basketball so much I want to get back in the game what's funny because I got interviewed twice by two schools mid-majors during my two-year hiatus and then a week before Christmas I got a call from a fellow who's a UMass graduate and he said look coach I spoke to Chris Wallace who was the general manager of the Grizzlies at the time, and my GM with the Celtics. Would you like to come to Panathinaikos and coach? I said, what is that? Yeah.
He said, in the EuroLeague, it's a famous program in Greece, the most famous. They've won five EuroLeague championships.
I said, I've never been to Greece, and I don't know anything about the EuroLeague. It's not for me.
So I turned it down. And a week later, he called me back and said, look, you got 48 hours to decide.
And my wife says, you got to go. I said, I'm going to go to Greece.
She said, it was Christmas Eve. I had to fly to Emirates in Newark, catch a flight, coach Christmas night against Cheska in first place.
I said, all right, pack up. Let's go.
Oh, you're packing. You're going.
I'm not going. So I took off my suitcases, not knowing anybody in Greece.
Coach, we won that game against Cheska in first place that night. I had a wonderful two years, became their national coach for a short stint.
And I had a great time. It really, for me being such a junkie, I learned a different brand of basketball.
It's like the Warriors on steroids with their movement and their passing. And it's a different form of offense than we're used to.
And I learned a lot. At age 65, I learned an awful lot.
And that was great for me. So a question about that.
So the first night you show up, you don't know any of these guys. What did you do in terms of coaching? Like, what did you say to them? Well, Nick Colathis, he played for Billy Donovan.
So he knew of me right away and i said look guys you're going to run your same offenses we're going to change some things defensively but there'll be subtle changes right now go out and play but the one thing i want to tell i want to see everybody play the hardest they can play so i can evaluate you yeah and they won the game we had a great run it was fun i traveled to places that i've never been uh from

barcelona to madrid to tel aviv to lithuania to russia to moscow saint petersburg uh and just places that were just awesome to see for the first time yeah yeah was there any culture shock at all going over there or was it just basketball is basketball it was a different brand of basketball So I'm in Tel Aviv.

We just lost to Maccabi.

Close game.

And my general manager books us on a commercial flight now we don't fly first class at pout so we're waiting at the airport we have a four o'clock flight back to athens the game is 9 30 we finish we get to the airport at 12 30 uh james gist and nicolathus come up to me and said coach i was reading a book he said coach let us buy you a beer i said is it open he said yeah it stays open here so we go to the bar i said i'll take any light beer and they said what what do you guys want uh double jack and cokes i said no wonder we're freaking losing you guys double jack and coke and they they had a couple more and i i went back to reading my book oh that's funny so the the So the evolution of basketball, are there times when you look back? Because you were someone who was early on, like the three-point shot. Your team took a lot of threes, full court press.
Is there part of you that watches the evolution of basketball? You're like, I was doing this 25 years ago. Finally, people have caught up.
What's going on here? You know, the funny thing, in 87, i took over a team that was dead last place since the inception of the big east seven straight years i knew from the meetings that roley messimino john thompson big john um louie koniseka and one of the older coach they were not going to take threes they were adamant against it so i said i'm going to take 15 to 20 threes lead the country in three-point shooting only jerry tarquanian and myself adopted it right away yep then we played the russians in an exhibition game and they took 28 threes wow and we took 16 and i said i gotta go higher so we in las vegas led the country in three-point shooting and got to a final four villanova st john's and georgetown took about two threes per game in the first like five or seven that's crazy then when i took over the knicks we became the bombinos yep we just were bombing away and and now today obviously it's everybody's doing everyone does it yeah so there's got to be there's got to be a part of you that's like i saw this before everyone kind of well the russians helped me yeah that night that we played them in an exhibition i realized that had to take the three yeah yeah three is worth more than two it is kind of funny how long it took basketball to reach that conclusion yes but you have to take good shots so you have a chance to offensive rebound if you come down the court and take a quick three without a chance for an offensive rebound even if you're shooting 45 it's not a high percentage shot so you got to make sure you create movement and your guys can offensive rebound the even if you're shooting 45%, it's not a high-percentage shot.

So you've got to make sure you create movement

and your guys can offensive rebound the miss

because they're going to come off long.

Yeah.

What's the hardest part about teaching the press?

Because we've always – I mean, I love when a team presses,

especially in college, because you find very quickly

that a lot of teams can't handle the press,

and it's like, well, they don't have the ball handlers for this,

and it throws a wrinkle into everything. But in terms of teaching it, maybe I'm way off.
I feel like a lot of coaches don't do it because they don't want to teach it, and they don't want to get their guys stamina-wise to a point where they can press a lot. Well, the second thing you said is so correct.
Yeah. Stamina-wise, we have three different presses based on how we score.
So if we hit a three-point shot, we're in a different press, back to a zone. Yep.
If it's a dead ball, we're in a different press, back to a switching man. If we're in a two-point shot, we're in a different press, back to a man.
So we base it on how we score. It takes a long time to learn, but it's worth it once you get it.
Yeah. Yeah.
Why do you think that NBA teams don't press at all? NBA teams? Yeah. It's 82 games.
It's tough on their legs. You know, there was no such thing.
I pressed with the Knicks. Yeah.
And we averaged, at that time, no one's really breaking 100. We averaged 116.8 points per game.
We were third. Doug Moe's team at Denver outscored us.
I think there was one other team. And then by the time I came back to the Celtics,

not one team was breaking 100.

I was at a meeting with David Stern,

UB Brown, Larry Brown, Pat Riley,

Chuck Daly, and one other person

to how to get scoring back in the game.

David Stern called the meeting.

And we really said there's only one way.

Not eight seconds in the backcourt. You got to call fouls get them to the foul line it's dead time they'll defense won't be as like knocking out Michael Jordan yeah it's changed yeah that's what we did and the game changed and now now it's too much yeah 80 points and a half by the Celtics too much is there any part of you when you look at your career you you you know you have the success at Kentucky win a national title and then you jump back to the NBA is there any part of you looks back like maybe I should have stayed at Kentucky because that was you know it's Kentucky or were you like I had to take the chance I had to you know the Celtics I had to I had to to jump there and NBA is the highest level of basketball in the world.
Yeah I think if it wasn't I was offered about seven or eight pro jobs before the celtics obviously i was a nick coach and that's a dream for me being a new yorker but if in hindsight's 2020 if i had to do it all over again i probably never leave kentucky yeah um you know dick vital every time i speak to him if you were to stay at kentucky you'd have wins than any coach. And you think back on that.

But I learned a lot to coach the Boston Celtics, even if you didn't do a great job.

It's just too much.

You know, you got Red Auerbach.

You got Bill Russell on, Havlicek, Hines, and so many greats.

It was worth the experience. But if I had to do it all over again, I had a choice to bring back time, I probably would have stayed at Kentucky.

Did you ever think when you gave the press conference, the Larry Bird's not walking through that door, did you ever think that it would live on forever how it has? Yes. It's like it gets brought up all the time.
I know. It's great.
The only probably good thing I've ever done in Boston. It's just that press conference.
But when you said it, did you walk off? You're like, wow, I nailed that press conference. I didn't know it 25 years later.
They'd still be playing it. Yeah, it's a great clip.
Also, if you never left Kentucky, you would never go to Louisville. Then you would never be the only coach to get to at different schools.
But I know people will be like, oh, it's vacated, it's vacated. You still have the tattoo.
Yeah, we don't count the tattoo. You didn't vacate your tattoo, right? That's the greatest hypocrisy of all time.
First of all, what went on, it was, I've said it many, many times, it was reprehensible behavior by a few people. So the NCAA came and said it was $5,600 in three years period for four times a year that they did the wrong thing.
It had nothing to do with steroid use. It had nothing to do with breaking rules and an advantage on the basketball court.
We earned that championship. You can't take down a championship.
You can't change history, whether it's wartime, peacetime. You can't change history.
We won the national championship playing a great game against Michigan. Peyton Seaver, Russ Smith, Luke Hancock, Gorky Zhang, Montrezl Haro, Shane Bennett, they won it.
Kevin Ware broke his leg. They won the championship fair and square.
Nothing else could get in the way. And sooner or later, the NCAA is going to get smart and do two things.
Put that championship banner back, and the second thing the Heisman people will do, give that Heisman trophy back to Reggie Bush. Yeah, agreed.
Johnny Manziel said he was going to boycott the ceremony. I matched.
I said I'm not going to the Heisman anymore. I've never been.
You know what? That is such a hypocrisy. First of all, there's probably half of those guys that won the Heisman Trophy that got paid amounts of money.
Right. He's not the only Heisman Trophy winner that got some benefits for their families.
Yeah. So let's stop being, especially in this day and age when the players are now professionals, let's give the gentleman back what he deserves.
Yeah, I agree. But no one from the NCAA called you and said, will you have your tattoo removed no no and if they did call me i'd hang up on yeah i i uh so in terms of all

the players you've coached who is the best player natural best player you've coached and then who's

the player that you coached that got more out of his talent level like where it's like he worked

so hard that he became a player that i never even expected patrick ewing was the best player i've

Thank you. got more out of his talent level like where it's like he worked so hard that he became a player that i never even expected patrick ewing was the best player i've coached and paul pierce was probably second oakley was the toughest guy i've ever coached um but jamal mashburn was the best college player i've ever coached the greatest overachiever by far was billy donovan yeah billy a kid um i used to play basketball back then i was still young and i would play billy one-on-one and beat him 15-0 15-0 15-1 two years later it was all in his favor yeah billy he became he lost 30 pounds he became someone i didn't even think about putting in the game when i first took over to became bill the Kid, the fastest gun in the East.
Yeah. And carried us on his back to a Final Four.
Yeah. And you must have, I mean, watching him, I mean, this year is the first time that it feels like we have a chance of having maybe a back-to-back champion in UConn, but watching him and what he did at Florida, that's got to be one of the best feelings of a guy that was under your wing.
You know, one of my biggest disappointments with the hall of fame is the fact that he's not in it yeah because what have you guys probably noticed better than me i think there's only five or six programs that have won back-to-back he's one of them and the first year he was picked i think eighth or ninth in the in the sec yeah and he's had a great playing career great coaching career now he's in the pros if anybody deserves the hall of fame it's billy the kid yeah i'd agree with that and you've coached against some of the all-time greats i mean the the big east rivalries throughout the years are just you think of the coaches what's the one coach that you think of like you had the the toughest battles against the one that you knew i would say the guy i've had the most respect for and i i cringed having to play him was dean smith I've coached against Frank Maguire, Dean Smith, some of the great old-time coaches, but Dean Smith was truly an innovator. I coached against Bill Self for the first time at Iona and preparing for him and watching 10 tapes, I said, that's a great basketball coach.
I'll tell you what's surprising. When I was a Celtic coach, I used to go around my days often, if I was in town, watch a college practice.
And you'd be amazed at some of the guys you didn't know were great coaches. When people say about great coaches, you have to watch a practice to determine whether a coach is great, not just on the sidelines.
And for instance, I watched Skip Prosser from Wake Forest. He who passed away, he ran a great practice, great practice.

And you go around and you watch these guys.

And Bill Self, when I watched 10 tapes, he's a great one.

Yeah.

A great one.

Yeah.

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What about the rivalry that you would get the most up for, whether it be old east or when you were at kentucky the guy you always wanted to beat well dale brown we had some battles with dale brown we won most of them in kentucky you win most of your games you could plan a friday night party because you're going to win most of your home games yeah kentucky's something special it really is at louisville you had to work to get that special feeling to win that game we started doing it at louisville as well yeah um but kentucky louisville was a great rivalry uh we're trying to build some of the big east connecticut right now we're all trying to get to that level of connecticut and they've got it going and they they have a almost a perfect team yeah backups come in and they're just as good as his starters for two years now do you think danny hurley because we've had him on a bunch of times and we're big fans of him, do you think he's kind of a throwback coach? Because that's what we miss a little bit about college basketball. When you get the Coach K or the Boeheim, some of these guys retire.
College basketball is a lot about the coach because the players change, but the coaches and what they, the imprint they have on, on their university and the team, that's what fans keep coming back for. Do you see him as kind of a throwback? Well, I've known Danny since he's a young kid as a player.
Right. And I know the Hurley family.
I was friends with his dad. Great family.
Danny is a tremendous coach. There's things about Danny that bother me.
The way he gets on referees bother the hell out of me because he gets calls. But as far as my respect for his coaching ability, he's a great coach.
Great coach. Offensively as well as defensively, preparation-wise, he has all the answers.
I'll tell you what else he does. He puts the pieces that fit into the puzzle together.
He's got a backup center that's terrific. His players also get a lot better.
Remember, he didn't win a Big East game in the month of February, I think it was. Yeah.
January or February. He didn't win a Big East game last year.
We played him in the first round at Iona. We were the only team to be up at halftime.
Played a perfect half. Yeah, and then everything fell apart.
They interviewed you at halftime, and I could tell. I was like, you're like, that was a perfect half, but we got a lot more to go.
Yeah, and they came out in the second half and just – they were a great team. And they have a team this year just as good as last year.
Yeah, and I suspect that if you were to ask other coaches around the league what they don't like about Rick Pitino, they would probably say exactly what you said about Dana Hurley, which is you know how to work the refs. Actually, I want to know something.
I don't even talk to the refs during the game. About 15, 20 years ago, I got so upset at them that I said, I'm going to leave.
What I do during the game, will you stop talking to him? Will you stop? You're getting paid to referee the game. Will you stop talking to that coach and concentrate on the game? That's what I say all the time during the game.
I stay off them now. It's been a long time since I've had a technical foul.
Was that a lesson that was learned the hard way? Probably, probably. I think it takes you away from the strategy of the game.
What plays next defensively, offensively. I think if you're always worrying about the referee's call and trying to get the next call um i i just don't get involved in that anymore that's interesting uh what would you say how would you describe the rick patino basketball philosophy good question thank you well it's changed it's changed uh i spend a lot more time on offense today in creating ball movement and player movement than i ever did so we're getting ready play a game.
And I would say back when I worked for UB Brown, 90% of that game walkthrough was defensively stopping the opposition. Today, in a walkthrough, it's 50% getting ready to score against a defense as well as 50% stopping it.
So just as much offense as defense today, which never was in the past. Yeah yeah because i read something about your defensive coaching style in particular your defensive coaching philosophy this was in the new york post a couple years ago i don't know if you remember how they how they led the article about it but it was you saying your ass your ass your ass hit them with your ass so just playing like physical butt forward defense just knocking people out of their way Well, I also also termed it the mother-in-law defense constant pressure and harassment and you know so we we just try to take you out of what you do well and i think everybody tries to do that today uh the scouting and the metrics that are used are so sophisticated today that you got to be on top of everything You got to know that he's shooting within eight feet of that rim he's shooting 87 percent from there but 16 foot he goes down to 24 so you got to know whether he's going dominant right dominant left you got to know all the metrics of every single player what's the one thing that uh when guys get to your program that you think like youth basketball kind of failing? Like the one thing you have to then reteach them or the fundamental that gets lost.
Like even bring up the ass. Like I think boxing out, like finding a man sometimes gets lost in these big games.
I'll give you an example. So it's been just until the last two weeks I've been able to get my team to throw bounce passes.
Oh, that's a good finally said to them in a radius of six to eight feet you are not allowed to throw chess passes so if you're coming down the lane there's no chess passes you must throw a bounce pass and that's a euro league philosophy yeah and it's made in the last two games we've had three turnovers and six turnovers from a team that was averaging 11. So it's made a huge difference.
But it has taken so long because they've grown up without throwing a bounce pass. Yeah.
Where in the Euroleague, you may see per possession three or four bounce passes. Yeah.
Rapid fire bounce passes. And to get them to throw it on the break, to get them to throw it in a six-foot radius, eight-foot radius, there's no passes passes.
Now you can throw a lob up top, but you've got to throw a bounce pass. And it's made a huge difference in our basketball team.
I like that. And boxing out, I always teach your forearm, you hold them off with your forearm and then you hit them.
Yeah. Because what happens is they push you in the back.
If you're not ready, you're trying to box out, they push you in the back. They never call that, hardly ever.
with your forearm first and then move them back and then move them back why do you think that they don't do bounce passes anymore that seems like a much more difficult pass to i think i don't think it's taught at the aau level which which is a lot of basketball i don't think it's taught it's it's just should be taught because it's a low people are always trying to deflect the ball they're always up here deflecting that's where your hands are they don't deflect the bounce pass you know and and it has to be taught that way it may seem simple and very elementary but it's so important yeah all right tough question when you think back at your career one win that you think back and you're like that's the wind that pops to your heads head. It's like, that was the biggest win.
And then one loss that eats away at you forever. Okay, so second year, Georgetown at Providence.
Tied ball game, Providence makes a free throw, two free throws. They were down one to go up.
I don't call a timeout. I said to Billy, the kid milked the clock.
Earlier in the game, John Thompson is screaming at our bench. He's ranked fifth in the nation.
I got a bunch of altar boys that can't play. And he's screaming.
And I said to my assistant, who's he yelling at? He's a Providence College graduate, by the way. He says, screaming at you.
So I go up. I say, what's up, Big John? What's up? You're the dirtiest MFs I've ever played in my life.
And because this is Georgetown, you know, they were known as the toughest team in America. I start laughing.
He goes ballistic on me because I thought he was kidding. I walk away and finally, you know, you got 13 i go after him and there i stood at his navel and started yelling back at him so he puts his arm around me after the game puts me in a headlock and says i'm so proud of you what you're doing with my alma mater but when you come to georgetown i'm gonna kick your ass he beat us by 13 we beat St.
John's opening round

the Big East tournament he beat us 33 in his second round oh geez so now we we finally made the NCAA for the first time in seven years we uh we beat UAB on their home court in overtime uh then no excuse me we beat him convincingly then we beat Austin Peay who upsets Illinois in overtime. Then we beat a great Alabama team with three NBA players on it.
Shoot 68% for the game. And who do we have to face in Louisville, Kentucky? Georgetown.
And the only team in the country my guys are afraid of. Yeah.
I said to them, you guys are the luckiest damn guys I've ever coached in my life. Who's the one team that's going to take you lightly? Georgetown.
This won't even even be a game fellas won't even be a game i guarantee it was never a game we killed them and i was just trying to get their cop yeah i i was worried about them just blowing us out yeah and so that's the one game i i truly treasure that georgetown game in louisville kentucky yep one game i wish i had back was a a was a game against um kentucky where where I told Francisco Garcia, whatever you do, don't leave the guy taking it out. It's coming back to him.
And we were up. We're going to win the game.
It was our final for you, and he left the guy out of bounds. It was 2012? Yeah.
Yeah. No, no.
Oh, no. It was 2005.
Okay, all right, all right. 2005.
That game, we had the game. We outplayed him, and we left him.
Whatever you do, don't come off the ball. Don't come off the ball.
We came off the ball, and that I remember so well because all we had to do was stay on it, and it's Louisville, Kentucky. Oh, that one sticks to you.
So speaking of Kentucky, you were obviously worried about St. John's, but have you seen Reed Shepard this year? Kentucky, you coached his dad.
I coached Jeff Shepard. It's pretty cool.
And know the mom very well because she was there playing. She was a great guard as well.
He's tremendous. He's a great shooter, great passer.
He's extremely athletic. I don't know if you've had a glimpse of him blocking that shot in the corner, getting off his feet.
He's got a big decision to make. He's probably a top eight pick in the draft.
He's the closest thing to the Pat Riley days. He's the closest thing to a Rex Chapman or Kentucky.
Does he stay? Does he leave? Because they're two Kentucky people. I think I have the answer to that question, but I'll keep it to myself.
Yeah, interesting. So you said that there were, what, eight teams that you could see winning the championship this year? Who are those eight teams? So without leaving anybody, obviously Houston and Connecticut are two that stick out in your mind.
I think Kentucky's interesting because they score so many points. Their offense is so great.
Can they do that for six games without getting into a lockdown game with Virginia? Yeah, slow it down. So can they do it? But they're very talented on offenses, talented as anybody in the nation.
Obviously, Marquette is a great basketball team because they have a very unusual style of play and they can hurt you come tournament time if you're not ready for that style of play. I think Tennessee has the ability to win a national championship.
Out West, I don't see anybody out West that can do it with the exception of Kansas. And I don't think this is one of Bill's great teams.
So I question that. What about Arizona? I was going to say Arizona.
Arizona is definitely a team. Has the right style of play.
They're very fast up and down the court. Terrific basketball coach.
But I think Connecticut, Houston, Marquette, and the last one's the favorite uh who i think's going to win it i said it in a tweet about a month ago i think purdue's going to win it oh yep and i i remembered you guys are gonna big kick out of this because tony bennett lost to the 16th seed the first time a one seed's lost he's one of the great guys in our business jay wr, Tony Bennett, two of the greatest people as people. And I texted him.
I said, Tony, I can tell you're going to go to multiple final fours. You're going to win a national championship.
I know you're down about this losing to a 16th seed. Following year, he won a championship.
Purdue last year lost to FD Fairley. Yep.
And I feel that it's their year.

I think they're going to win the national championship this year.

Is that the formula now?

Losing to a 16th?

Yeah.

Set yourself up nicely.

That's what I'm saying.

Anybody who goes through that torture should win a national championship.

So what would be your defensive game plan against Purdue with Zach Eadie?

Well, prior to this, it was just Zach Eadie and some good players.

Yeah, the guards were young. But now they've got all the answers.
They're better defensively. He's a great coach.
They're better defensively, better offensively. They have more weapons around him.
So I think they could win it. Houston could win it, certainly.
Tennessee has a really good basketball team. Arizona's terrific.
But this is a year that there's eight teams, nine teams that can win it. So you've been obviously to many Final Fours, won two titles.
What is it about coaching in March Madness? Do you change your style when you get into that tournament setting and everything ratchets up and everyone's watching? I think you have to be a risk taker. You have to really get your offense to play faster.
I think everybody gets a little tight because it's one game and you're out. I think you got to get your guys to play faster.
You got to get your guys to not think about the score. You got to constantly try to push it on offense.
So the thought process is not every time down the court, what are we going to run? Do they know what play we're going to run? If you say two up, it's going low trap below you know i want to take take away all the scouting so i want to play faster than we normally play yeah big cat asked a tough question about the uh the greatest player that you've ever coached all all that stuff um what about the greatest play you've ever seen it was my mistake by not putting a guy on the ball if i had to do it all over again but the mistake I made was when that pass went from Grand Hill to Christian Leitner and he turned around I made one mistake everybody thinks it was not putting a guy on the ball because they did the same thing Indiana did the same thing I think it was Connecticut they threw it up the sideline when a guy on the ball and and uh I think it was Kevin Olley of those players, made the shot. It wasn't that I didn't put a guy on the ball.
Tate George. It was Tate George? Tate George.
Yes. My mistake was I grabbed Fellhouse and Pelfrey and said, whatever you do, they haven't missed a free throw.
Don't foul them. I should have said, knock the ball down because we sandwiched Christian Leighton.
Yeah. And both players froze like this and they didn't even try to block the shot.
So they were thinking thinking don't foul don't foul my mistake was i should have said sandwich him knock the ball down not whether i put a guy in the ball or not and that was my mistake in that game so you wouldn't if you could do it again you wouldn't put a guy on the book because i always think you got to have a guy on the ball just because it makes it a little bit more i do now i put yeah i put a guy on the ball um i remember a game where they ran the baseline and the guy on the ball knocked the guy over. And you got to be careful of that.
But you can tell you guys not to do that. Yes, I would put the tallest guy on the ball.
And if I didn't put a guy on the ball, like Bobby Knight never would put a guy on the ball. If I sandwiched the guy, we're knocking that ball down.
We're stealing it. But I would definitely put a guy on the ball today.
Yeah, I feel like that was the greatest pass ever thrown in college basketball. Yeah.
It's incredible. It's a testament to your career that that is one of the most iconic March Madness moments that you were on the wrong side of, and people don't really...
It's more about Christian Laettner and Duke than it is about Rick Pitino and Kentucky. I think there was a 102-101 ending, or 103-102, I forgot the final score, overtime score, and we played the overtime the overtime without Jamal Mashburn.
And he was our key. And when we got back home, the Kentucky kids who never played, Farmer, Fellhouse, Pelfrey, Woods, he's not from Kentucky.
When we got back and the bus arrived at Rupp Arena, they hung their jerseys to the rafters. Wow.
That's nice. Yeah.
But there was never any question in your mind that the ball was going to Christian Leitner on that play. No, we knew it was going to Christian Leitner.
But I said to my two guys, it's going to Leitner. And what I thought would happen was it would go to Leitner and he would pass it like this.
Yeah. I didn't think he would turn around because we were going to sandwich him.
But my guys, I grabbed him just at the end and I regret it to this day. I said, whatever you do, don't foul him.
Yeah. And I wish I wouldn't have said that.
And it's got to also, losing to Coach K, because he's kind of like smug. That's got to stick to have to shake his hand.
He talks to your players in the line afterwards. I just want to let you know that you played a great game.
I'm proud of all you guys. I'm proud that we beat you today.
It had to hurt a little extra, right, when he lost to Coach K? Just a little bit. Well, interesting enough, either 20 or 25 years in 2013, who did we play in the elite eight to get to the final four yeah coach k yeah to the day when kevin weirb uh broke his leg yeah but it was coach k okay and the first time i mentioned it in 20 or 25 years was at halftime oh wow first time i mentioned that game yeah you so you wouldn't talk about it you wouldn't think about i wouldn't i didn't want to hear about anymore anymore, but at halftime there, I told him a story, and I said some things that, not publication, but said some things about playing Duke.
Yeah, which we would probably agree with. Appreciate, yeah, we appreciate.
Because I was wondering if after that game, Coach K came and knocked on your locker room door and asked for the opportunity to address your team. Yeah, Coach K.
All right, I got the weirdest question in this interview. Maybe the weirdest question you're ever going to get uh so bear with us here so this show we've been doing for eight years uh we bust balls we bust balls we make fun of ourselves a lot we have made some jokes at your expense uh and you have a guardian angel i don't know if it's guardian angel i don't know what it is there's a random number that texts me every time we make a joke at your expense and says watch it we're going to end your career really yes pretends to be part of yeah might have been one of these guys might be one of these guys are you being serious i think yeah dead serious coach i'll read you the text last year at march madness were like, meet us at this restaurant in Houston, and we're going to set this man-to-man.
This has been happening since you were at Louisville. So this has been happening.
I remember it. The first time ever was I made a joke.
And, I mean, you've heard all the jokes. But, like I said, we bust balls about everyone on this show.
But we made a couple jokes about, you know, you're ending at louisville maybe some trials and stuff but the the joke was made when you were on game

day and i got a text right after being like watch what you're doing like i'm close with uh coach

patino you better be careful and it's been happening every single time for the last like

seven or eight years at first i thought it was your son and then i was like no it can't be his

son that'd be crazy this was the last one he said you and your sidekick want to get puffed up and take shots at coach patino now that you moved away from new york city we're coming to chicago for the de paul game in two weeks so we're going to come have a few words with you two i've warned you before about taking unfair shots at coach and you don't learn we're going to finally get this settled real text message how crazy is that well how did they get your number i don't know and it's always an untraceable number so i don't know if it's like you know well i can assure you it's no member of of the patino clan i was hoping you'd be like yeah it was me all along i'm the one who's listening to tell you the truth look i have no problem with people making fun of me or you know i i i hate politics for a reason i watch them the way they talk about each other i want no part of that but this is entertainment yeah it's entertainment and when you're a coach and you're walking off the court and you're listening to what the student body is saying about you and it's a catholic school and you say you just you just got to put your head down and just walk out so you know i don't have any problem with that uh at all um it's part of the journey i've had more compliments than i deserve in my life so you got to take the good with the bad and certainly laughter is the best form for anything this is entertainment laughter is is great I'm in this business that's going to be 72 because I laugh a lot with my players when the laughter goes I said it earlier in the year at that press conference I'm not enjoying this and I said it not as far as the team I'm not enjoying what goes on right now in college basketball because it's you you know, I took Peyton Siever, Russ Smith, O'Donovan Mitchell, Terry Rogier, and we nurtured them through to become really good match partner, got him to his junior year, Francisco Garcia. It's about growing.
I may be looking at three guys returning next year, and I got to bring in 10. They all become free agents.
And we're sitting around in meetings. And what I really don't like about where I'm at right now is we're sitting around meeting

and saying, I'm hearing this guy from North Carolina may be available.

This guy from Duke, Cincinnati, this guy from Wisconsin may leave, this guy from Ohio State.

And to me, I was at Iona and the entire league was poached.

Yeah.

The entire league, every good player in the Mac was poached by another school.

And for someone growing up who's loved college basketball it's just not something i like i think jay right got out of it because of that and he's not only a tremendous coach but tremendous person and that's the and there's no correctable solution yeah unless they become employees where we can sign them to contracts for two three years you know i don't blame a kid to put his name in a hat he's making say six figures and he can make high six figures why not yeah we would all do that if we could yeah you know you guys are great at what you do and all of a sudden if you put your name out there and in the media world and you could quadruple your pay you would do it as well you all have families so yeah it's it's something i'm not used to something i don't like and it's not enjoyable yeah so to put a bow on it uh you can call off the hit on on the stalker yeah whoever's talking me i think you're safe okay safe and we listen we do make jokes so we wanted to be come clean with that and we have made jokes but we make jokes about ourselves just as much it's okay okay i don't i don't know who it is and uh i think that sometimes look you guys got a great boss duel has stood the test of time here yeah and this is my first time being here and obviously people know that you would take a hit on me and they would say something boston that's okay yeah you know it's it's it's okay i'm i'm not that i'm thick-skinned it's just i know to laugh. Yeah, I appreciate that.
And, I mean, we always feel bad when we have someone come in who we've wanted to interview you for a very long time. It's like we have to be at least honest that we've made these jokes and there's someone who wants to have me killed.
But, yeah, that's okay. I think you're safe.
Listen, when you get into the Patino business, you might get killed here with this guy just coming after me. Credit to us.

You told the story.

You're big enough to handle you.

Listen, I just want to also say I'll get this out on the open.

You know, my wife bought me a shirt.

It says not Italian, but supportive because my children are Italian.

They're a quarter Italian.

She's half Italian.

So I'm not Italian, but I'm supportive.

You're okay.

I just want to respect, you know.

Also, when you told the story about Jim Boeheim on your wedding night, we didn't make any jokes at all at that point. Yeah.
And I had to bite my lip, but I did it. I have respect for you, coach.
But you are what I love about college basketball. I love tough coaches.
I love old school coaches. Like, that's what I was saying.
When, you know, Dan Hurley, like, I'm drawn to that because it's like, I miss that. I want, you know, like when you were in the Big East in the 80s and all those coaches were characters and there were people and like something about that is just so great.
You know, I'll tell you a final story, which is interesting, because whenever anybody ever questioned my integrity in the game, I said, look, don't listen to me. If I say I didn't do it, I didn't know it, don't listen to me.
Talk to my players. Yeah.
Don't interview me, don't interview antagonists. Talk to my players.
So the so the greatest one of the great things that happened to me when i was getting ready to be in front of this um not a trial this group of lawyers and people to be exonerated by the ncaa um we got letters from every player i coached at louisville and said, just write the letters and just tell them exactly what I'm about.

Good, bad, or indifferent.

Just say whatever you want to say.

And when I got the letters after the trial was over

and read them, it made me cry.

Because all of them said the toughness

and the love that he's shown us

made us go out there and we can handle anything. And it just, the guys I was hardest on said the most glowing things.
And you probably notice when you look back on your academic career, the teachers you love the most were the ones that made you work the hardest. And that's what we as coaches do.
We are trying to get the most out of them so they can go on in life, whether it's basketball.

I mean, most of my guys now at St. John's aren't going to play in the NBA.

They're going to go to Europe.

And you've got to be tough.

You're going to get a Serbian coach who's running four-hour practices.

And if you don't play three straight games, they cut you from the team.

They send you home.

And they say, take us to FIBA court.

We're not paying you.

Right.

And that's what happens over there.

So I think my players are ready for those experiences. And they're ready to go out there and perform yeah i love that good preparation for yeah uh i had one more question about some of your players so you mentioned russ and i remember reading an article i think it was in sports illustrated back in the day uh that you named a horse after russ rusticulous rusticulous that was my nickname of him because you loved much as a player, you named a horse.
Do you have any horses now that are named after players? The ones I, Rusticulus started out, I think at Belmont Park and ended up in Montana. So he wasn't doing well.
I named, I named another horse Gawky and I think he was a turf paradise in Phoenix. Yeah.
So, uh, I have a great horse story. So I had a horse that I sold as a two-year-old

for $15 million.

Wow.

Two-year-old champion called AP Valentine.

We bought him on,

his birthday was Valentine's Day.

My four partners,

there were five of us.

Obviously, Lane's End had 10%.

They stayed in on the horse.

We bought it for $450,000.

I think there were five of us.

Chris Sullivan from Outback Steakhouse,

the founder of Outback Steakhouse,

Let's go. had 10%.
They stayed in on the horse. We bought it for $450,000.
I think there were five of us. Chris Sullivan from Outback Steakhouse, the founder of Outback Steakhouse, owned 20%.
He bought a lot in Pebble Beach. He put up $200,000 and made $3 million.
Another guy bought a Park Avenue apartment for his $3 million. Another guy bought a beautiful home in Nantucket.
What I did was i'm much more savvy business-wise than those guys i said i'm gonna put it in a limited um uh limited partnership and uh i'm gonna just buy horses for the next 10 to 15 years i'm gonna either run it up to 10 million yeah i'll go broke i'm okay it's found money yeah so um but i have 10 years to to spend this 3 million two years later i was broke i went oh for my next 18 horses so that industry i can tell you guys yeah if you want to buy a piece of a horse buy two percent yeah just as much fun as 100 yeah i love it though what's your favorite track saratoga yep incredible yep and i like del mar because post time is 2 o'clock. Yeah.
And if you want to do some things in the morning, you can do it. But by far, Saratoga is the best in horse racing.
What about Keeneland? Would you go to Keeneland when you were in Kentucky? Yeah, I did go to Keeneland. I went to Keeneland when they weren't announcing the races.
Oh, wow. You could just watch.
There was no announcer where the horse was going. That was a tradition.
you watched the race you didn't you will follow the numbers are all the same same color and then they started announcing a few years later wow all right i have one last question this has been unbelievable coach we really appreciate you coming by and we'd love to have you back on anytime uh rowback question rhoback.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts roback.com promo code take uh how many more years you think you're going to coach well as i said earlier i always said this i'm going to coach until i'm not having fun and i did make a statement i wasn't having fun but it has nothing to do with what's being played on the court between the lines. It's been a tough year, really tough year, being part of this, what's happening in college basketball.
And so I've got to get my mind right with this, and I'm very lucky. I have some boosters that are willing to step up.
I wish it wasn't this way anymore, but it is this way, and I got to live with it. There's free agency every single year now.
Just a year ago, I was told that if you get a transfer, he can't transfer again. So I said, okay, let's go after transfers.
Right. So we have them, and we can build them and nurture them and make them good basketball players.
Now, all of a's out yeah midway through this year that's out there's going to come a time where someone's going to transfer in december and he's going to be able to play right away right because he's going to take it to court so i don't like it but i have to live with it so i'm in good shape mentally and physically i love the game i think i'm going to coach as coach as long as I can be happy. I don't think it's a matter of age.
Just be happy. I don't want to do what President Biden's doing at his age.
I think he should just enjoy life a little bit. I don't know why he's doing it.
His dogs. His dogs aren't even under good.
A lot of stress. I mean, you're a leader in a free world until your players start like biting 31 secret service agents yeah that's when you know it's time to get out yeah no question well oh last last question what's what's rick patino's uh favorite italian restaurant like you go what are you ordering well i love pasta but i don't eat that much of it absolutely love it so i I'd say my go-to meal is either asabuco or chicken palm.
I'm going to order one of those two. But I could eat pasta every day of my life, but I don't because obviously I want to be able to get into that white jacket.
Yeah, that's true. It's important for sure.
Yeah. Well, Coach, thank you so much.
Best of luck rest of the year. Hopefully we're watching you in in the tournament.
We've got to win a couple games here. Yep.
Hopefully, we're watching you in the tournament. And like I said, anytime you want to come back on, we'd love to have you back on.
Also, we're going to retire Rick Pitino jokes because you were so gracious to come in. So that's- Unless you want us to.
Unless you want us to. Unless you want us to.
You want us to retire him? We don't have to retire him. If you want to retire him, you do.
But I appreciate you having me on. Okay.
All right. I think you want us to do more.
Yeah. Oh, okay.
Yeah. No, no, no.
No, your team is saying more jokes. No, no more jokes.
No more jokes? Breaking my balls. Yeah.
All right. Yeah.
Breaking balls is friendship. Right.
Yeah. Exactly.
All right. We'll find out who's stalking me.
It would have been great if you were like, yeah, that was me. I've been texting you for eight years.
If I would. I to have you sell them yeah yeah that'd be great all right well thanks so much thanks for having me guys thanks coach rick patina was brought to you by three chi i'm not a drug guy but i am a three chi guy and three chi the premier place for cannabis products has just launched its brand new line of true strains vapes and gummies that tailored cannabis experiences.
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Okay, let's wrap up the show. We got a little, before we do Hank's Patriots Dynasty talk, some housekeeping.
So here's what we got coming up. Wednesday on all the Pardon My Take channels, we will be fulfilling the pancake bet from our pancakes only league.
So we're going to watch college basketball and we're going to eat some pancakes. TBD on the start time, we're probably going to look at the schedule and see what time games are going to be so we can sync them up.
But somewhere around 5 or 6 o'clock central time, we will begin our journey into eating pancakes. For a reminder for everyone, Memes has to eat 24.
It's the same challenge that everyone's been doing for the fantasy football challenge where it's hours and pancakes. So if we're in there for seven hours, Memes would have to eat 17 pancakes.
So Memes has to eat 24. Max has to eat 18.
PFT, 12. Jake, 3.
Myself, 6. Hank, 0.
Hank, 1. Dude, this kind of makes up for the whole stand-up comedy.
Yeah. This is going to be painful.
It's going to be really tough. 12 pancakes.
God. You actually only you actually only have to eat like six i'm i'm so excited pancakes are my favorite things in the entire world eating 12 pancakes sounds awesome so it's going to pretty much be a memes and max uh we're going to put them in the corner and just have a pancake watcher and memes already told me that he's going to eat them hamburger style so he's going to put how do you eat a pancake put a bunch of them and just go like this.

Which I think he thinks that that makes it faster but you're still eating

a lot of pancakes. I think the trick is to cut

it up into as small bites as possible

and then just eat a million bites.

Yeah, so we'll have fun watching

memes try to eat them but we're also going to watch college basketball

and I think Nova's playing so

that'll be a good stream.

We also have a stream on Thursday on all of our channels at chile's uh which the schedule gods have helped us out i'm gonna have to suffer through some more wisconsin basketball which i am this team is gonna be in the tournament and i just i i even had the thought today like what if they just get hot from three because they just haven't been able to hit a three for the last four weeks and that's a dangerous thought because i don't want to be sucked in at all they're not good and but i will i will be streaming that game from a chili so tune into that we'll also be streaming from the gambling cave all friday saturday sunday but that that's specifically from our stream we also had on saturday we had shane gillis and and Santino come to the office. We were able to interview each separately, so we got two awesome interviews coming.
People are going to want them right away. Scheduling is weird because, obviously, we have March Madness next week, so we're going to have Ross Dean, Titus, Stanford Steve.
So we're going to have the Santino interview on this Friday, and then our Shane Gillis interview is going to come Monday after the first round of March Madness. Both great interviews, awesome dudes.
We love both of them. So I know people are going to want him right away.
If it were not for March Madness, we would put him out right away. But because we have March Madness, and listen, this actually might be the only time in the schedule and in probably in probably shane's life that john rostein will bump him that's true yeah but they were great and shane's a great dude and he watched some college basketball with us yeah you can watch that clip if you go to the uh pm tv page on youtube or rumble or wherever you want to watch your videos it's uh max watching the villanova game and uh shane just getting to observe how we treat max yeah and just max in general max in the wild that sucked and he knows he said he said to us uh that he when he first moved to austin he would just be watching i think he watched the you and steven che stream he was like just so i could feel like i had some friends so he's yeah both those guys great dudes they made time out of their sat to come in.
So those interviews are coming up. I know people want us to hear them because they were great interviews and they're great dudes.
So there's the schedule. So everyone knows.
Great. Just two weeks coming up.
We're just going to be living in the gambling cave and just living it up and just dying with every game. So I'm very excited.
Hank. Dan.
Hollywood Hank. Yeah.
That was the most outrageous no-sell. I was so proud of you, though.
When he was like, I might be in it. You were in it.
You were in it. There was like a solid three minutes of documentary time that was about the Brady Four, and I was just grinning ear to ear.
I was like like my boy he made something of himself it's it's great because it really is you can't tell the story of the patriots without henry lockwood yeah you are you are an integral part of that dynasty you might go in the hall of fame when you were getting arrested at the nfl office did you ever think that it was going to be this big no because we didn't think we're gonna have to stay overnight yeah that's what made it big up until we were in the police car and they're like yeah you're not getting out until the morning yeah and i think that the overnight is kind of where it the story became real the mug shots yeah the shot of you guys with you know where's your mug shot at i have it i i don't know if we put it it's i'll i'll send it we can put it up i was smiling yeah you were smiling he was he was a little jackass about it was awesome good yeah it was good but you were I don't know if we put it. All of a sudden, we can put it up on PMT.
I was smiling. Yeah, you were smiling.
He was a little jackass about it. It was awesome.
Good. Yeah, it was good vibes.
But you were in it. I was in it, which I was like, what the fuck? Because they had a rundown clip of me right before you guys went to the NFL offices and me and KFC just being like, what are these idiots about to do? Yeah, I mean, the footage they used was literally like, you know, I was holding the phone, which was like, holy shit.
Like, that's me. You're in it.
I mean, I'm in it, but I'm also like, they're using my footage, which, again, I kind of knew they were going to do, but it was still very, very surreal, and I knew it was coming. I watched it on Saturday, so it was a couple days after, and a lot of people had hit me up, but it was still very, very surreal, very cool.
And the Belichick smear campaign marches on. The also funniest light switch.
We had our own camera guy that was like, free Portnoy, free Portnoy. But it sounds like it was a fan, which always makes me laugh.
Yeah. But I was happy they included that.
It just made me laugh. Yeah.
So you were causing good trouble. It was civil disobedience, 101.
How much, the 28-3 episode, were you crying? It was great. I mean, those two Super Bowls are the greatest two Super Bowls of all time.
And, you know, it's cemented Brady. It's crazy.
Obviously, and it is, you know, it is very, it was tough. I'm sure where it's everyone's like, it's Kraft.
It's Kraft. It's a hit piece.
It's a hit piece. And then the most recent episodes started with like just Robert Kraft's a great guy.
They had Murdoch in there. Yeah's the best.
Businessman. Titan.
I told Big Cat this when he came into the office, but I'll tell you too. It's shocking to me how the episode that centered around the 28-3 game somehow came off making Bill Belichick look worse or as bad as the episode about Aaron Hernandez.
Like they,

they took a big shit on Belichick this entire time.

It was like Tom against Bill,

Tom against Bill,

everybody in that locker room against Bill.

They made him look so bad in this most recent episode that I think that now

I think most people,

the brain will be like,

what's going on.

Yeah.

It's,

I mean,

it's crazy.

They're just taking them down.

It's insane.

I will.

I can't wait for the Belichick documentary where he actually can

Thank you. be like what's going on yeah it's i mean it's crazy they're just taking him down it's insane i i can't wait for the belichick documentary where he actually can speak how he wants to well he's gonna have a lot of footage yeah well nfl films he's gonna have to get that from craft llc or from uh jay glazer yeah nfl films came out and even said like he's a huge nfl films guy always has been like they've always been you know connected and super friendly and nfl films came out and made a statement it was like this is kind of a hit piece yeah it's crazy it's it's nuts to watch it and be like and i'm sure the ending is not going to be great can i can i say something no they're setting up there i mean they obviously but even you know it was very focused on deflake gate and then they they went into the super bowl a little bit but they're not talking about the games all that much.
And then they're just going to have probably two episodes on the end of Brady Belichick. Hank, can you take your headphones off real quick? I just want to talk to Big Cat.
Yeah. And his headphones are off? Yeah.
As a member of the media, we really fucked up Deflategate. That was really not that big a deal.
It was tough. At all.
Mort has passed away. It is.
A week ago, and he was, yeah. But, like, hearing how the entire thing was framed, somehow Dave Portnoy was more correct about chemistry than every member of the media.
Your deflategate was very different than mine because you weren't at Barstool yet. I vividly remember, like, trying to fight it for maybe a week week or so and then Dave just spent so much time reading documents and learning science that I just gave up yeah it's shocking we gave up it's shocking to me how right Tico Texas rundown is the one that always pops in my head where we where he Tico Texas zoomed in from a target and Dave and Tico was like what's what's up with you guys cheating and Dave was like how much time you got Tico and then Kevin and I just left the rundown.
I was like, he's just going to do it again, and he's right, and there's nothing we can say about it. All right, so I think a couple things are probably true with the benefit of hindsight.
One, Tom Brady definitely likes his footballs a little on the underinflated side. Two, who really gives a fuck? Correct.
We can say that, right? Like every NFL quarterback likes their balls a certain way. That's not why he was winning Super Bowls.
That's not why he was winning Super Bowls. Correct.
It's by 100. And the fact that it came at a time when the NFL was looking for any sort of distraction from actual problems that they had.
Yeah. Where they could be like, okay, we're going to hire this ex-FBI guy to do a full report on whether or not Tom Brady slightly deflated some footballs.
Right. It's crazy.
It is crazy. All right, Hank, you can put your headphones back on.
Yeah, put it back on. The deflator is the one part that always is like, oh, that does.
Yeah. And didn't they say they called him that because he lost a bunch of weight? Yeah.
I think so. That's awesome.
Yeah, the deflator. But also, I mean, and Ben Affleck said it on the, what was it, Simmons Show called, whatever it was called.

Any Given Wednesday.

Any Given Wednesday.

You would never give your phone to the NFL.

They literally showed Spygate how they had to destroy tapes because everything was getting leaked.

Yeah, I agree with that.

And also, if they go through all of our texts and sift through it line by line, they can find something that they can take out of context and make us just look like trash. Yeah.
Facts. The deflator.
All right, Hank. We're at number eight.
I think we're at number... Eight.
Eight. Eight.
Eight. So Wednesday will be the finale, which I think there's probably a lot of people who are like, finally.
But that's fine. Yeah, that's...
It's fair. Yeah, we got two more.
Fair criticism from the AWLs. We know this sucks.
We didn't intend to draw this out for so long. Yeah, and we didn't intend.
Well, we did intend to make it suck because we wanted to basically make Hank have to do something like, here are all these awesome players who won all these Super Bowls, and then ruin it so that Hank has to do it so long that everyone's like, enough already. Yeah.
Mission accomplished by us. Yep.
On this side of the table. Recurring guest.
Chris Long. No.
Recurring guest. Ninkovich.
Gronk again. No.
Only player besides Brady to win Super Bowls in both eras hmm Ebner oh vince wilfork yeah oh yeah good good call yep great player super athletic hilarious had the funniest commercials the he had a chicken commercial that i think it was i mean i think i watched in like high school and college just made me laugh every time when he said rotisserie chicken. No, it was ribs.

No, he did those commercials too.

It was pre-ribs.

I think it was like Big Y or something, some supermarket company.

And he was just talking about how great rotisserie chicken was.

Freak athlete.

Rotisserie chicken.

Freak athlete.

Freak athlete.

Yeah.

Okay.

Good one.

Also, he was in the Bodies Up issue espn right yeah yeah just just a dude just a total dude great dude honorable mention let's go steven kostowski okay okay okay so would you put him above venetary no i wait but you didn't make Vinatarianieri an honorable mention. He did say in that one thing, he's like, we hated the Patriots.
Yeah, that was weird, wasn't it? Yeah. When he did a flake-aid episode.
And there's people saying that he's going to go in the Hall of Fame as a Colt, which is insane. Yeah, that is a little.
Do you think maybe he was the one that told the Colts, hey, if you get your hands on a football. That is weird because if he goes in the Hall of Fame, it's because of what he did with the Patriots more than what he did with the Colts.
Yeah. Yeah, I had me second-guessing some things.
You know who I had never heard talk before who I want to have on the show is Matthew Slater. I feel like I'd never seen an interview from him.
Yeah. And it was like, this rocks yeah he probably knows everything because he's just he was like the unassuming special teams guy who was just he's the most like patriot of all time probably right yeah so he must be on your top 10 no oh and he just retired yeah and he is the most he agreed he's the most patriot patriot of all time he embodied the patriot way Yeah, I mean, I wish I made is the most...
Hank agreed he's the most Patriot Patriot of all time.

He embodied the Patriot way.

Yeah, I mean, I wish I...

So much so that he's not even on this list.

I made this list before I watched an episode.

I wish, you know, now that I've seen some things, I could change...

Oh, okay, so you know what?

We'll restart your list.

Okay.

After Wednesday, we'll go traditional 10 to 1 with what you would have done.

You know what?

After watching this documentary, number one, Robert Kraft.

He seemed like a great guy in the documentary.

Yeah, Titan of Industry.

All right. We'll go traditional 10 to 1 with what you would have done.
You know what? After watching this documentary, number one, Robert Kraft. He seemed like a great guy in the documentary.
Yeah, Titan of Industry. Also, Pioli describing Brady was just unbelievable.
You got to stop. This guy's the fucking Grim Reaper.
Yeah. Oh, I'm so glad that they told the Putin stealing the Super Bowl rink story.
Yeah. All-time story.
Yeah. It's mine now.
Also, Julian Edelman. That was a nice piece of Patriots porn for you, I'd imagine, Hank, when they showed that catch and then right afterwards, him talking to the DB being like, no, I caught it.
And the DB being like, no, you didn't. He's like, no, I caught that shit.
Watch. And they watch it together on the Jumbotron.
Julian's like, see, I told you I caught it. Look at that.
Didn't touch the ground. That was was so good also malcolm mitchell honorable mention he was just a beast that season and that was it all right we've done enough of this okay uh any no no other honorable mention you don't get another honorable mention strike that from the record please you don't get an extra honorable mention stricken from the record i did like the look on chris long's face when they won a game, and then Belichick was chewing their ass out, and Chris was like, we're not celebrating this win.
Yeah. I'm not having any fun.
I better go to the Eagles. Yeah.
I mean, it's selectively edited, but the way they were showing Belichick in the locker room with Jimmy G after the first game he played, when he was like, oh, coming up to him, buddy, buddy. Yeah.
Like, good job, son. That was – it made you feel like, oh, he's just a dickhead to Brady.
But then you have to remember this is a puff piece and an anti-Belichick rhetoric. Yeah.
And Robert Kraft referring to Thomas Tommy all the time. Tommy.
Very weird. The thing about Tommy, I just love Tommy.

Okay.

Numbers.

20.

40.

8.

77.

18.

3.

99.

21. 21.

6. 6.
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Give you anything.

You've been so good to me.

Your love and sadness.

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