Commanders Head Coach Dan Quinn, Lebron Hits 40K, The Patriots Documentary Is A Hit Piece On Belichick And Monday Reading

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On today's part of my take, we have Washington Commander's head coach Dan Quinn in person

Speaker 1 from the Combine.

Speaker 1 We had a great time with Coach Quinn. I feel optimistic for you, PFT.

Speaker 2 I'm excited. He said a couple things.
So, actually, the first thing that he said before we went on the air was, What words am I allowed to say on this show? Yeah. We're like, Yeah, say fuck, Dan.

Speaker 2 Say fuck. He did.

Speaker 1 And he did. But yeah, he's a football guy through and through.

Speaker 2 And you guys made some ground, too.

Speaker 1 I have finally had my first

Speaker 1 good night of sleep in nine years, ten years almost, because Dan Quinn and I finally made peace. And so we got a great interview with him.
We're going to talk a little basketball over the weekend.

Speaker 1 We have who's back of the week. We have Hank's number one patriot.
And I also have caught up on the documentary. I have some thoughts.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. The Aaron Hernandez episode was something.

Speaker 1 A lot of football.

Speaker 1 It was a football documentary.

Speaker 1 We're going to break down some of that documentary. And then we have a Monday reading for the people on a Monday.

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Speaker 1 Welcome to Pardon My Take, presented by DraftKings Sportsbook. Today is Monday, March 4th, and LeBron James has hit 40,000 points.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow. I'm very excited about that.
Guess how many he has in college? It's zero. Because Caitlin Clark set the real record today.
Yeah, she did.

Speaker 1 She had a hell of a record. She also said it in a very Caitlin Clark way with a flop and a technical foul.

Speaker 2 Yep, two free throws. Yes.
At the end of the first half, if you happen to bet Caitlin Clark to break the record in the third quarter, like I believe most of America did, that's unfortunate.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 still an incredible performance by Caitlin Clark going to the WNBA. Still has some college basketball left.

Speaker 1 The Big Ten tournament for the women's college basketball is going to be better than the Big Ten men's tournament. I'll just say that right now.
It might be.

Speaker 1 Because the Big Ten men's bad basketball, my own team included. But LeBron, 40,000 points.
You want to hear a whoa?

Speaker 1 Yep. Okay.
This is from Ben Goliver. Lakers, LeBron James, the first NBA player to score 40,000 points.

Speaker 1 James scored his first 10,000 points in the exact same number of games as it took him to go from 30,000 to 40,000. Whoa.
So the first 10K was in 368 games. 10K to 20K was 358 games.

Speaker 1 20K to 30K was 381. Slowed down a little.
30K to 40K, 368 games.

Speaker 2 That's pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 That's insane.

Speaker 1 That's a weird quirk, but insane. His longevity is unmatched.

Speaker 1 He's, I mean, what else can you say? I think

Speaker 1 LeBron James.

Speaker 2 The best take on this comes from, I think, who we all expected to have the best take on this.

Speaker 2 Antonio Brown.

Speaker 1 Oh, I was going to say LeBron James, too. Okay.
All right, go with Antonio Brown's take.

Speaker 2 Antonio Brown's take was he put up a picture of LeBron James holding 40,000 on a piece of paper, and then he just said, how many crackers work at Barcelon Sports? Oh, nice.

Speaker 2 Hashtag C-T-E-S-P-N.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, that is the best take. LeBron also had a take.
He said, to be quite honest with you, everybody wanted to see me fail when I got to the league.

Speaker 1 Everybody was just like, it's no way he's going to be able to exceed the expectations they've put upon him. Is that true? I don't think so.

Speaker 1 I don't think everyone wanted him to fail.

Speaker 2 I don't know that anybody wanted, like, the media wanted him to succeed.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 2 That's a good job by us by saying LeBron James will be the best player ever. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank, did you want him to fail? Not right away. Not right away.
Definitely not right away.

Speaker 2 When did you start wanting LeBron to fail?

Speaker 1 When he became an enemy of James.

Speaker 5 Probably 2011.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so you had a long time not rooting for him to fail, and you're like his biggest hater.

Speaker 5 I'm trying to think. When they beat, I think it was the first year of the Super Team, they rigged game six against the Celtics in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Oh, they did?

Speaker 5 And then ever since then.

Speaker 1 They rigged it.

Speaker 5 Rigged it. Rayjon Rondo got smoked in the head on layup underneath the basket.
Didn't call a foul. Rigged it.

Speaker 1 Rigged it.

Speaker 5 Lost a series. NBA rigged.

Speaker 1 That was truly.

Speaker 5 I remember waiting, the game ended. I was like, I can't wait to hear Stephen A.
I can't wait to hear them. Like, they're going to go on about this.

Speaker 5 This is going to be the biggest controversy in sports history.

Speaker 2 Nobody said anything. Nobody said anything.

Speaker 1 Rigged.

Speaker 1 The craziest thing about LeBron 40,000 points is

Speaker 1 I don't think anyone's going to hit it. Like, I don't, even though the scoring is crazy in the NBA right now, I was looking at it.

Speaker 1 And Luca has 10,000 points in six years, but to say Luca can play to be 40 years old with his body, no offense to his body,

Speaker 1 would be a jump.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was going to say, I don't know what

Speaker 2 his maintenance technique is, but I don't think he keeps his body in as good shape as LeBron James.

Speaker 1 Kevin Durant's going to hit 30,000 points within the next year or so, but he's in his mid-30s, has some injuries. Steph is, I think, like around 30,000 points, but again, also old.

Speaker 1 I mean, Wemby, but he's, I don't know how a seven-footer is going to play to be 40.

Speaker 2 Well, I was watching Wimby play today, and if he can hit step back threes, then maybe he could do it.

Speaker 1 Wimby's on pace. Wimby.

Speaker 2 Wimby is a fucking freak.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it really goes to show Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum.
How many points is Jason Tatum?

Speaker 5 11,000.

Speaker 1 He has 11,000. And how many seasons?

Speaker 4 He's 26. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay. There we go.
We'll throw Jason Tatum in there. You happy, Hank? Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He could play for a while. Either way, this is about LeBron.

Speaker 1 It's insane what he's been able to do for as long as he's been able to do it. And he is like,

Speaker 1 I'm not a big, huge LeBron fan. Everyone knows that.
I don't think anyone on this podcast is a huge LeBron fan.

Speaker 1 But I also feel like we've done at least an okay job respecting the fact that he is an insane, insane basketball talent who is, you know, people will say he's the best of all time.

Speaker 1 I have him two, which is, and I think the gap between two and three is huge.

Speaker 1 It's crazy that he's been doing it for this long, and I don't think we'll see anyone like 40,000 points, even though when I first saw it, this is how stupid my brain is.

Speaker 1 I was like, 40,000 points doesn't seem like a lot of points because he's been playing for so long. It's so many goddamn points.

Speaker 2 It just gets to the point where if you see a number like 40,000, all these numbers are so big that you lose track of just how much it is. Right.
Like 40,000 is an astronomical number.

Speaker 2 But I I had no idea like where he was until he set this milestone. Like I just assumed he scored a shitload of points.
Right. LeBron James score of a shitload of points was my metric that I had.

Speaker 2 And I don't, I'm not a huge LeBron James fan, but what I love about LeBron is how crazy he makes people and how much he contributes to the sports media like just screaming at each other culture.

Speaker 2 And a lot of people say like, oh, I don't like that about sports TV. Yeah, but you watch.

Speaker 1 That's the thing.

Speaker 2 And it's entertainment. Like, I love, that's one of my favorite things about sports TV is you just get grown men on stage that get ready.
How many people, how many people do you think have been,

Speaker 2 I'll say killed in a debate that started about LeBron James? At least a handful. I would say probably four or five people have died over an argument about whether or not he's good at basketball.

Speaker 2 That's what I love about LeBron James.

Speaker 1 It's insane. And he is, like, in the history of the NBA as well.

Speaker 1 When you think about it, like, the growth of the NBA, obviously, Bird and Magic in the 80s took the NBA to a point where it used to be the finals was tape-delayed in some parts of the country. MJ

Speaker 1 put the NBA on a completely different level, a global level. He became an icon around the world.
And then after MJ is like, well, where do we go now?

Speaker 1 And yeah, Kobe was there, but Kobe was also, I think when LeBron was a rookie, I think that was right around Kobe's trial. So LeBron stepped in and has basically carried the NBA for the last 20 years.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. Like he is, I know that there's been a lot of other superstars, but it's LeBron James has been the focal point of every, basically every NBA season for 20 years.

Speaker 1 And it's insane what he's done. And it's not like he's doing it right now at 39 as an old LeBron.
Like, he's not young. He's not the same LeBron at the height of his powers.

Speaker 1 But that game he had the other night when they came back against the Clippers and he's like, I'm just going to, I'm going to guard Kawhi and I'm going to hit a bunch of threes.

Speaker 1 Like he's not, he's still very, very, very good. It's not one of those records where he's 39 years old, he sucks, he's on a bad team, and he's just putting up empty stats.

Speaker 1 He's still one of the best players in the NBA right now, and it's crazy. It's just nuts to watch it night in and night out.
And I know this is all painful for Hank to hear.

Speaker 1 He gave me a little look, like, dude, stop talking about him.

Speaker 5 Well, they're probably not even going to make the playoffs, or they'll sneak in. They'll rig it so he gets to play in the playing game.

Speaker 2 Well, here's what's great about LeBron James.

Speaker 2 If you don't like LeBron James, when he loses in the playoffs, you're going to miss that when he's gone. When he retires,

Speaker 2 you might not miss LeBron James in the NBA, Hank, but you will very dearly miss if they get swept in the playoffs this year.

Speaker 2 The joy that will just course through your body as you get to talk about how funny it is to watch him not win a playoff series,

Speaker 2 that will be something that you will look back on and be like, fuck, those are really some good times that I had when he stunk.

Speaker 1 Also, he will definitely make the play-in and could very well likely make the playoffs. The West is like very compact.

Speaker 1 They're six games ahead of the Jazz for

Speaker 1 the 10th spot, and they're only three games away from the Suns at the 6th spot. So he's going to be in at least a play-in game.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He will.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Also, you don't need to worry about LeBron this point. The Celtics are basically already MB champions.

Speaker 5 I would love to play the Lakers.

Speaker 1 Hey, can I give you something that you could say that I didn't say because I was trying to be nice and not do a LeBron hate thing because 40,000 points is insanely impressive.

Speaker 1 And I am actually, as a sports fan, in awe of what LeBron has accomplished.

Speaker 5 He's actively trying to get his coach fired?

Speaker 1 Well, no, I was going to give you a little stat that you can just throw around that I didn't say. I want credit for not saying it.

Speaker 2 Not you.

Speaker 1 LeBron James has 40,000 points. He's led the league in scoring once.

Speaker 1 Michael Jordan led the league in scoring 10 times.

Speaker 2 Interesting.

Speaker 1 I didn't say it, though. I did not say that stat.
So credit to me for not saying it, but you can tell that to anyone else. Also, just a little stat out there for everyone.

Speaker 1 If DeMar DeRosan scores 16,998 points next game, he'll have as many as LeBron. That's pretty good.
So, striking distance.

Speaker 2 It could be possibilities.

Speaker 1 He's right there.

Speaker 2 Did you see what his son, Bronnie, is saying about his NBA prospects?

Speaker 1 He's going to wait and see, right?

Speaker 2 Well, he's not basing whether or not he wants to come out of college on his projected draft stock.

Speaker 2 He's basing it on what teams are interested in him.

Speaker 2 So that's interesting. So I'm guessing that just means where his dad is going to end up.

Speaker 1 Yes, that would make sense. I mean, he is on a USC team team that has been bad this year, although I might put a future on them to win the Pac-12.
They're playing good ball right now.

Speaker 1 I watched the majority of the game on Saturday against Washington, and Isaiah Collier is awesome. Took over that game.
Not Bronny.

Speaker 1 If Bronny Jr. had done what Isaiah Collier had done, it would have actually taken away the limelight of LeBron James' 40,000.
Yeah. Because he was that good.
But, yeah, we'll see. I mean,

Speaker 1 call me a sucker. Call me maybe soft because I'm a father of three, but I kind of want to see Bronny be on LeBron's team because it would just be cool.

Speaker 1 Like, I saw an old clip the other day retweeted on my timeline of Ken Griffey Jr. hitting a home run and Ken Griffey Sr.
hitting a home run right after him. I was like, that's fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they went back to back. I still remember where I was when I saw that news.
Like, it's it would be incredible to see LeBron yelling at his son on the same team.

Speaker 1 It also would kind of suck to be Bronnie on a team with LeBron because everyone would look at you being like, well, you're only here because your dad.

Speaker 2 Your dad's the coach. Sucks so much.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 He actually, Bronnie would finally realize what it's like for every nepotism guy out there working at a corporate job being like, I'm here because my dad gave me.

Speaker 2 What's one of the best parts about getting to the NBA? I would imagine you're 19, 20, 21 years old. You have millions of dollars of cash.
You want to go out and party a little bit.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You don't want one around the business.
He won't have millions of dollars of cash. Well, he will because he's LeBron.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 You don't want your dad being around in a circumstance like that.

Speaker 1 Should I? Should I?

Speaker 1 I'd like to podcast long enough to podcast my son. There you go.
I'll just have him on when he's like seven and then retire.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it's an incredible performance. I mean, incredible career, incredible moment, 40,000 points.

Speaker 1 And you're right, PFD. What he is for

Speaker 1 the sports ecosystem is incredible because even this like 10-minute segment of sucking LeBron off, there's going to be some AWLs who are like, what the fuck? I thought this was a safe space.

Speaker 1 Why are you guys doing this? Why are you betraying it right now? And then the other one's going to be like, you didn't say it enough. It will piss off people no matter what.

Speaker 1 And that's what LeBron James does for us.

Speaker 2 For everybody out there that's sick of us glazing LeBron, I have one stat for LeBron for you guys. LeBron James is the first player in NBA history to score 40,000 points who also sucks.

Speaker 2 So there you go. Okay.

Speaker 1 Boom. Have that.

Speaker 2 He stinks.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But he's great.

Speaker 1 And then Caitlin Clark, yeah, did it to Pete Maravich, who Pete Maravich, that was actually one of those moments where it was incredible for Caitlin Clark, but Caitlin Clark has done so much for the women's college basketball game.

Speaker 1 It was nice to see Pete Maravich get some flowers where everyone went and looked up Pete Maravich stats and they're like, this dude had this many points in three years and no three-point line.

Speaker 2 No three-point line. The dude was a chucker.

Speaker 2 He shot the ball. And he was a great passer, too, but he took a lot of shots.

Speaker 1 He had five assists a game.

Speaker 2 He took a lot of shots and he's got some great highlights, too.

Speaker 2 If you want to go back, like every time people are like, oh, if Kyrie Irving got in the same gym as Bob Koozi, Koozi would just spontaneously combust into flames.

Speaker 2 Maravich, Maravich could play a little bit. Maravich could give some of these guys a run for their money.

Speaker 1 I do think that Victor Wembanyama, like if it would be funny to have James Naismith watch a video of him. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, if he did, he'd be like, the rim needs to be 15 feet tall. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And also,

Speaker 1 he only would have been able to watch half a season because if James Naismith was still alive, he would have died when he watched the All-Star game. Yeah.
Like, this is an abomination.

Speaker 1 Okay. What else do we got in in the sports world? I have some combine notes.

Speaker 2 I just wanted to congratulate Hank, honestly, about winning the NBA Finals this year.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 The Celtics win by 52. The game was over in the first quarter.
At the end of the first, it was done. Do they want to guard you?

Speaker 2 They were just dominant.

Speaker 1 It was crazy that it was, I think it was 22-21 at one point. And then I looked back at the score and I was like, wait, the Celtics are up by 30? Yeah.

Speaker 2 How did this happen? And this is their third win this season of 50 or more points. No team has ever done that in the history of the NBA.
11 in a row.

Speaker 5 Is this

Speaker 1 championship or bust this year? Oh, yeah. This has been building to this point.
It's been championship or bust. But it really is this year.

Speaker 5 It has been championship or bust since the season started.

Speaker 1 I've said it. Oh, no, no, but I'm saying like the past few seasons,

Speaker 1 it's not been championship or bust. This is the first year it feels like, okay, the Celtics have been, they've been to a final.
They've been to some conference finals.

Speaker 1 You have to win it all this year. Yeah.
If you don't, it's a failure.

Speaker 2 It's a bust.

Speaker 5 If there are no injuries and we don't win the championship, yeah.

Speaker 2 And you have to get a soul patch, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, nope. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What about a cat named Soul Patch?

Speaker 1 Nope.

Speaker 5 Also, when they win, I will shave my head.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's fair. Jalen Brunson, I think, avoided catastrophic injury.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I was talking to memes about.

Speaker 5 How are you so upset about it, Bitcoin?

Speaker 2 I like watching Jalen Brunson play basketball. Memes was despondent over this.
You were upset?

Speaker 1 I just said, fuck, that sucks.

Speaker 1 Listen, the Bulls suck. I don't want them to even be in the play-in.

Speaker 1 I love watching basketball. I start thinking about the NBA truly right after March Madness.
Jalen Brunson is one of those guys that I love watching play basketball.

Speaker 1 The way he commands a game, the way he can control a game from the point guard position, he's a throwback.

Speaker 1 So I was legitimately bummed when I saw that he was hurt and potentially out for the rest of the year. I want to watch him play playoff basketball.

Speaker 2 The way that the play looked.

Speaker 1 Sorry for

Speaker 1 liking Jalen Brunson. I'm just asking.
I just know V's up. V's up, right, Max?

Speaker 2 V's up. Everybody was saying, like, I'm V's up.
It looked like it was an on-contact injury, and it looked like it was something real bad.

Speaker 2 Yeah, real bad, because it almost looked like he hurt it when he was taking off. Like he grabbed, like, his leg did a weird movement in midair.
He's like, oh, fuck, I'm hurt.

Speaker 2 Then he like falls down twice, gets carried off the court. Everybody was like, oh, shit, this is an Achilles.
This is maybe, I don't know, ACL or some sort of fracture.

Speaker 2 And then they say, oh, he's got a, he has a knee contusion. Yeah.
So I told me, I was like, that's good news, memes.

Speaker 2 It's good news that Jalen Brunson appears to have avoided catastrophic injury, but also kind of a bitch.

Speaker 1 Ooh. Kind of a bitch?

Speaker 2 Because it's a fall down toys.

Speaker 1 He's a tough guy. It's a fall down twist.
He's a tough guy.

Speaker 2 I've had some catastrophic foot injuries and I haven't missed a podcast.

Speaker 1 He's a dog. Memes, are you okay now? Do you think it's going to be okay? It would have been another Fleming curse.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 we're all the way back now. Okay.
We're all the way back. So he's fine.

Speaker 2 He's fine.

Speaker 1 I did type in Achilles right away because it reminded me of Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I think he bumped knees on the screen.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I just love whenever the doctors come out of the woodwork and be like, oh, he just hit this nerve that makes your knee feel like it's dead for a minute.

Speaker 2 It's a nerve. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Peronial or something.

Speaker 2 According to me, he just hit this nerve that I looked up 10 seconds ago and I'm now an expert on. Is it a paronial?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 A parochial nerve?

Speaker 1 No, someone said paronial nerve. I've learned all my science from injuries and then finding out, googling the person's name instantly.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's how I know about the human anatomy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I guess he's okay. He's probably not going to miss much time.
But at the moment, Knicks fans were like, well,

Speaker 2 there it goes. We were so happy, so excited.

Speaker 1 I mean, the Knicks aren't going to win. They're not going to go to the final or anything because I just don't think they will.
But I want to see Jalen Brunson play playoff basketball. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because he is one of those dogs.

Speaker 2 I want to see the Garden play playoff basketball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I went to a game last year.

Speaker 2 It was electric. The Mecca.

Speaker 1 Okay, other things. Well, I've...

Speaker 1 I don't think I can make a future bet on this because the price isn't great, but I just think the Nugs are going to win again.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it feels like

Speaker 2 it feels like it. It feels like they're just

Speaker 1 back-to-back

Speaker 2 there's a lot of fun stuff going on in the league right now.

Speaker 2 A lot of teams that you want to say can win.

Speaker 2 The Clippers actually might be able to win. I'll tell you why.
Here's why the Clippers might be able to beat the Nuggets. Because tonight, James Harden, I think he had four points.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Went 0 for 10 shooting. vintage James Harden in the playoffs mode.
Yeah. And they won.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 So maybe they're learning how to win with playoff James in the regular season.

Speaker 1 The extent of the Clippers' discussion could just be like, they've got to stay healthy because

Speaker 1 they have all the health guys. Like their healthiest guy, Russell Westbrook, broke his hand.
And they've got... That's the one guy you could

Speaker 1 say he's not going to get hurt.

Speaker 2 They've got weird health guys too. Yeah.
Kawhi with mystery injuries.

Speaker 1 Kawhi just saying, Kawhi is just sitting on the bench. And they're like, yeah, he's out for the next three years, but we don't know why.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's unplugged right now, so he doesn't have battery, so he can't be in.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, Kawhi, weird injury guy. Paul George, I guess he said some weird.
Yes, he said weird injury guy.

Speaker 1 He's pretty healthy, though. I count him.

Speaker 2 When he is injured, it's usually in a weird way.

Speaker 2 And then James Harden, who's sometimes just too fat to play.

Speaker 1 It's injury

Speaker 2 laziness. Injury, laziness, strip club.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no dog. No dog in him.

Speaker 2 No dog. But if they can win with James Harden scoring four points, and I think their bench...
was

Speaker 2 the part of the team that carried them tonight was looking at the the box score.

Speaker 2 I think that every starter had negative in plus-minus, and four out of the five guys were double-digits in minus, and so their bench came on. So maybe the Clippers, maybe it's the Clippers here.
Okay.

Speaker 1 No. Nuggets.
Hank, since we're doing NBA talk, who scares you the most in the East? Box Pep.

Speaker 1 Yeah? Not the Heat? No, never.

Speaker 1 I mean, what happened last year?

Speaker 1 Different team. Okay.
Never is ridiculous. It never is a crazy thing to say about the heat.

Speaker 1 And they're doing the same thing they do every year where they have not been good, and now they're starting to play well. And it's like, oh, here they come.

Speaker 5 I'm not worried about the heat. I am worried about the Bucs.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah, just because Giannis at any point could physically decide, hey, I'm bigger and stronger.

Speaker 1 I feel like we've just been robbed, too, of getting to laugh at Embiid running out of gas in the playoffs again. No, he's going to be back, though.
Is he?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think so. Max was excited about that.

Speaker 1 I think he's going to be back.

Speaker 1 I feel like we've been robbed.

Speaker 1 It sucks. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It kind of feels. Well, once he realized he wasn't going to get an MVP, he just kind of quit.

Speaker 1 I mean, he got hurt. That's true.
The game that he got hurt in, there has never been a guy who was more hurt playing that game. That's true.
I saw Kirk Colsbury.

Speaker 1 Oh, the Sixers won their last two games,

Speaker 1 two big wins.

Speaker 1 Iris Maxi's a beast. I saw Kirk Colesbury, our good friend, had a graphic.

Speaker 1 We have an MVP problem with Americans. We don't win MVPs anymore.
Is that true? We have not won an MVP this decade. Since 2018, we haven't won an MVP.

Speaker 1 And I don't know where our next MVP is coming from. Jason Tatum.
Jason Tatum's got to step up.

Speaker 5 Well, he's playing team basketball. He's not doing the...

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 who would you expect to win the next MVP? Cooper Flags. Or Tatum.

Speaker 5 Tatum should win.

Speaker 1 But Luca probably will because Luca has the stats.

Speaker 5 Well, and the European bias. Right.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. The European bias.

Speaker 1 It's Embiid. It's Jokic twice and Giannis.
And Giannis twice. So, yeah,

Speaker 1 we need to take back the MVP. How are we going to do this, boys?

Speaker 2 Cooper Flags? It's Cooper Flagg.

Speaker 2 The answer to every basketball problem is Cooper Flagg.

Speaker 1 It doesn't help that the Euros got an alien that's playing basketball in San Antonio. I know.

Speaker 2 I would love to just somehow wipe the next two years of Cooper playing at Duke out of my memory. Right now, I love Cooper.

Speaker 2 I love Cooper Flag, but he will get a weird haircut when he goes there, and you're going to hate his face, and he's going to be on TV all the time, and then he's going to do something very Duke-like while he's there.

Speaker 2 Then the the Brotherhood is going to step in and defend him. Yeah.
And he's going to get that stink. Jay Billis is going to stand on the table for him.

Speaker 1 I wanted, oh man, I wanted it so bad last night for, even though I don't like Alabama basketball, I wanted them to win and rush the court because Jay Billis was calling that game.

Speaker 1 By the way, Hank, congrats to Kyle Filipowski.

Speaker 1 I actually think we should take away Joe Flacco's comeback player of the year, give it to Kyle Filipowski retroactively to go from a catastrophic ankle-knee soreness injury just seven days ago and then do windmill dunks.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 forget Tamar Hamlin. Kyle Filipowski is the real, the real story here.

Speaker 5 Take notes, Jalen.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 that was insane, dude. He's a hero.

Speaker 2 He's a hero.

Speaker 1 Also, Sunday motivation, I posted it. It's like,

Speaker 1 it's one thing to

Speaker 1 have something like that happen where it's like, I think the doctor said Kyle Filipowski may never walk again, and then just seven days later, he's windmill dunking. It's just,

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 That's a crazy man.

Speaker 2 I honestly think that that gives some hope to Hank for being able to dunk. If Kyle Filipowski can battle back from that injury, Hank, you're basically fully healthy right now.

Speaker 2 Imagine what you can do on this body. That's true.

Speaker 1 Maybe we should storm the court on Hank.

Speaker 2 Oh, nobody out there Google what happened after the Clemson Duke football game when Duke beat them.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 2 Nobody Google that and see what the fans did to the field.

Speaker 2 I don't want people to look that up because

Speaker 2 it could have devastating consequences

Speaker 1 to Jay Billis. Oh, no.

Speaker 4 That would be bad.

Speaker 1 By the way, in college basketball, I told Max before this, but I've done it again.

Speaker 1 I bet on Villanova 150 to 1.

Speaker 1 I looked at the prices. I was like, what's a way I could win half a million dollars? Oh, Villanova.

Speaker 1 They probably won't even make the tournament. Yeah, it's not true.
They're minus 240 to make the tournament. Oh, let's go.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Make the tournament or the first four?

Speaker 2 What happens if they play Wisconsin?

Speaker 1 The first four? Wisconsin's bad. They sink.
It's over. over.
I'm not even.

Speaker 1 They've actually done me a favor of just getting it to such a bad level where I'm. Are they going to make the tournament? Yeah, they still will.

Speaker 1 They're actually, I think, one of eight teams in the country to not.

Speaker 1 Well, they probably don't have a winning record anymore in quad one and two, but they don't have any quad three or four losses.

Speaker 1 So not too shabby.

Speaker 1 No quad three, four losses, baby. I love the quad system when it works in your favor because it's basically, I was like, how is Michigan not a quad three or four loss?

Speaker 1 if it's a way the team if you play away the team has to be ranked like outside of like 250 net ranking which is hard to do that's very hard to do so so i'm just gonna be i'm gonna be just fucking banging the table for the quads i'm i'm all on board with the tennessee volunteers they're really good i'm officially all in they have an impressive win by that and it was two impressive wins back to back auburn and alabama yeah auburn's not i i don't but they still

Speaker 2 alabama at home is a fucking beast they still came from behind against Auburn, and then they came from behind against Alabama.

Speaker 2 Then they have South Carolina, which is going to be tough, and then Kentucky, which is going to be, they're ending the SEC schedule

Speaker 2 the hardest that you can do.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's going to be awesome. And I'm going to bet the over, and it's going to be great.
And

Speaker 2 I think Rick Barnes, I think this is the year for Rick Barnes. This is the year.

Speaker 1 Ricky B. Yeah.
We're getting ready for March. It feels good.
It feels real good.

Speaker 1 Okay. Anything else in basketball? I had a couple combine notes that I wanted to share with you guys.
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Speaker 1 Okay, combine notes. Here's what I have for you: JJ McCarthy missed a lot of throws.

Speaker 2 Yeah, J.J. McCarthy is that one guy.
There's always one dude every single year that the further away they get from playing football, the better of a football player they become.

Speaker 2 JJ McCarthy isn't now being talked about going in the top five. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Top six. Even though he then went and missed a lot of throws.

Speaker 2 Even though it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter because the tape, you can throw the tape out. Forget the system he played in college.
What you saw at the combine, throw that out.

Speaker 2 They just think that he's got the skill set.

Speaker 1 It's

Speaker 1 worked to his advantage that he wasn't asked to do a ton at Michigan because what he was asked to do, he did very, very well, and they won a lot of games in a national title.

Speaker 2 What I'm putting a lot of stock in this year is the footage that's coming out of the players practicing, warming up in the hallways of the game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Michael Pennix, yeah.

Speaker 2 Michael Pennix was throwing dimes. J.J.
McCarthy was throwing to Blake Corham and throwing absolute seeds to him.

Speaker 2 So I feel like that is the new, like, the scouts are behind the scenes watching them warm up in the hotel lobbies. Yes.
Like this guy's got all the tools.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that, yeah, I agree with you that there. Although the couple throws I saw were, there was two throws that he was just like airmailed it and just missed a guy on an easy 15-yard out.

Speaker 1 The next note I had,

Speaker 1 this is a really dumb thought because we watch college football all year. We know these guys.
Then they come out and they do the combine.

Speaker 1 And we have to remember, I think Pete Prisco put it perfectly, the tape, the tape, the tape, the tape. You got to watch the tape.

Speaker 1 Joe Milton's a franchise quarterback. Yeah.
Because that fucking throw was so awesome. Yeah, he is.

Speaker 2 I said, if I'm a GM, I'm drafting this guy 1-1 overall. And that's the thing with Joe Milton is like, you will fall.

Speaker 2 All you need to know about Joe Milton and the most impressive tape out there, besides this one pass that he had today, which was like 75 yards, half a step into it.

Speaker 1 And he said, like, he was like, bang. Yeah, bang.
Because it was up there.

Speaker 2 Go back and watch Joe Milton before the Orange Bowl, before last season's Orange Bowl. It's Tennessee against Clemson.
It's the orangest Orange Bowl ever.

Speaker 2 They asked Joe to throw an orange as far as he could. He threw an orange 106 yards.
Yeah. That's the only stat that I need.
This man can throw fruit farther than anybody else that's ever lived.

Speaker 2 Give me that guy.

Speaker 1 He can't throw for fucking...

Speaker 1 You've got no chance to complete a pass 20 yards and in. But holy shit, if he's got to throw at 70 yards, he's your guy.

Speaker 1 Why wouldn't a team, because now, don't we have the expanded rosters with the quarterbacks? Why wouldn't you take Joe Milton and be like, he's just our designated Hail Mary guy?

Speaker 2 He's our third-down quarterback.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, air it out, worst case scenario, you just punted the ball 77 yards.

Speaker 1 I want him to be good so bad, but I've watched so much Joe Milton, both at Michigan and Tennessee, to know that that's not the case.

Speaker 1 But still, when he throws that ball like he did at the Combine, I'm like, this fucking guy rocks. Yes.
And he has it.

Speaker 2 If football was played with an orange, Joe Milton would be the best person to ever step on a field.

Speaker 1 No one would see it coming if you took Joe Milton. Bears, I don't want you to do this, but

Speaker 1 no one would see it coming. Just take

Speaker 1 the whole league if we took Joe Milton number one.

Speaker 2 And his name's Bazooka Joe.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Joe Milton rocks. I want to see him in the league.
I want to see him. Fuck it.
Just like, have it.

Speaker 2 If your team's not going to be very good, just have him tank for you, but at least he's going to throw some bombs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it'd be fun. Xavier Worthy broke the record 4-2-1-40.
That was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 It was very cool. Very fast.

Speaker 2 John Brown was the guy that had the record beforehand, I believe. Was it? Right? I think it was John Brown from the Giants.

Speaker 1 John Ross. John Ross.
John Ross. Yeah, John Ross from University of Washington.
That's right.

Speaker 1 That's another one where I'm like, how can you not draft that guy? Yeah, John Brown.

Speaker 2 Did the Harper's Ferry raid. Very close, guys.

Speaker 1 So I,

Speaker 2 again, I see that guy run, and I think to myself, well, there's two teams that are going to get him. One, very easy, the Raiders.
Yep.

Speaker 2 It's going to be the Ouija board that they keep in the war war room. They're going to ask Al Davis who to draft, and it's going to say Xavier.

Speaker 2 The second team, the Chiefs. You know, the Chiefs are going to get a guy like that.

Speaker 2 And we're going to be like, how did we let that guy go to the Chiefs?

Speaker 1 Yeah, and for Xavier Worthy, it's the difference between being out of the league in three years or winning four Super Bowls and everyone saying you're one of the best receivers ever.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's all that that is. Like, get a Chiefs.

Speaker 1 No pressure, Xavier Worthy.

Speaker 2 Get a Chiefs tattoo right now tattooed on your forehead so the Raiders don't take you.

Speaker 1 Have

Speaker 1 Archie Manning legally adopt you and then have him hold the league

Speaker 1 hostage and be like, we're only going to the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 We're going to the Chiefs. We're going to the Chiefs.
There's a couple other big things that happened at the combine this weekend. The first was Tyler Owens from Texas Tech.

Speaker 2 So he said that he doesn't believe in space. I don't believe in space.
I'm real religious, so I think we're alone right now. I don't think there's other planets and other stuff like that.

Speaker 1 I don't believe in Tyler Owens because I watched this clip and he had a smirk on his face. He knew what he did.

Speaker 1 And it felt like he was knew what he was doing because now we're talking about Tyler Owens and he was being talked about when he said it. I'm on to you, Tyler Owens.
I don't believe in you.

Speaker 1 So the fact that he motherfuckers not real.

Speaker 2 So he goes on to explain, I used to believe in the heliocentric thing. Like we used to revolve around the

Speaker 1 sun and stuff.

Speaker 2 So the fact that he said, the fact that he knew the word heliocentric and used it correctly tells me he actually knows what what space is and he believes in it. That's NBA, though.

Speaker 1 He might be an NBA fan.

Speaker 2 What do you mean?

Speaker 1 That's a lot of NBA

Speaker 1 podcasters talk about heliocentric basketball, like Luca is a heliocentric basketball player where it all revolves around him.

Speaker 2 But he defined it. He said, like, we used to revolve around the sun and stuff.

Speaker 1 And then the rest of the quote was, and Luca.

Speaker 2 And then I started seeing flat earth stuff, and I was like, that's kind of interesting. And they started bringing up some valid points.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I don't know.

Speaker 2 I actually think it's not a bad thing to say that you don't believe in space. You don't believe in

Speaker 2 the round Earth theory if you want to get a free ride on a rocket ship because there's always one guy where NASA's like, yeah, fuck you. We'll show you.

Speaker 2 We'll take you up to space and you can get a look at it. Like, yeah, you know what?

Speaker 2 I also believe that space is fake, NASA.

Speaker 2 Help me prove myself wrong.

Speaker 1 But like you and Xavier were the usually the guys who say they don't believe in space are scared of heights and don't want to go there.

Speaker 2 That's not true. It's a completely different scenario.
Not afraid of flying. Not afraid of being inside of a tall building.
I just don't like being out in the open.

Speaker 1 You don't think you'd get a little fucked up looking out at space?

Speaker 2 No, I don't think the difference in like between being 5'10, which I am, and being like six feet tall is big enough to have an impact of me being 70,000 feet above.

Speaker 1 I don't know, man. I saw you on the Empire State Building.

Speaker 2 I know. And every time I think about it, I start to sweat.
So I went out and I got the Apple Vision Pro, which I might return because there's really no real reason to use it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Can I just say this? And I know this isn't like this isn't why you bought it, but I think that anyone who buys the Apple Vision Pro who's not a nerd is a porn guy.

Speaker 2 You can't watch porn on it. That's the thing, though.

Speaker 1 Allegedly. Nice.
You're smart. It's smart to say it that way.
Look it up.

Speaker 2 Look it up. It was like all anybody wrote about before the Apple Vision Pro came out.

Speaker 1 Sure, and you haven't found a way through it.

Speaker 2 You can't watch porn. I've put it on three times.

Speaker 2 One time I watched the porn or something.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 Non-porn. I've watched the Patriots documentary on it, and I sat in the middle of Joshua Tree, and it was an outstanding, immersive experience.

Speaker 2 And the second one that I did, they have like an immersive high-line walking video that you can be in where you're like above the fjords in Norway, and you look down into the sides and shit.

Speaker 2 That fuck you up. That fucked me up.
And I was like, I'm taking this back. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bring it in. I want to see it.

Speaker 5 They don't have flight simulators on there?

Speaker 1 Not yet.

Speaker 2 No. That's what I asked.
I bought it. And then after the person handed it to me, I was like, These things got flight sims on there yet?

Speaker 2 And he was like, no, but there's a lot of exciting new apps that will be coming out soon.

Speaker 1 Can you bring it in so I can just test it out?

Speaker 2 See if you can watch porn on it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm gonna find a way to watch porn. Okay, absolutely.

Speaker 2 Go back door on it. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I got listen. We got ways to watch porn on this.

Speaker 1 All technology advances are led by porn. That's a fact.
It is a fact.

Speaker 2 So, or

Speaker 2 the NBA that tries to bring back 3D basketball games every single year, and everyone's like, this sucks. The problem with the Vision Pro is anytime you wear it, you just, you're an absolute nerd.

Speaker 2 It's the most anti-social thing that you can ever do because you just put it on and then you sit down and I'm like making pinching motions and dragging stuff around. Jerking off.

Speaker 2 And Blake's sitting next to me on the couch, like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. It looks like you're just, is there something flying around the room?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So he hates it, so I'm probably going to take it back.

Speaker 1 Okay. Wait, where were we? Oh, we were still in combine.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 I got another combine fact for you. Tyler Owens, tight end.

Speaker 2 He says that he keeps his hands strong by massaging cows. So he works on a farm.
pervert, and he'll just massage a cow's back for hours on end to strengthen his hands up.

Speaker 1 What happened to the good old rice bucket?

Speaker 2 I don't know. This is the new rice bucket.

Speaker 2 The leather bucket.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then we also had the Wyoming guy with the mullet who ran like a 5040, which was awesome. Lineman.
He looked cool. Yep.

Speaker 1 That's how I would, if I was an NFL GM, I would only, I wouldn't watch any of the tape. I'd just watch the Combine.
I'd have the Wyoming guy blocking for Joe Milton, throwing it to Xavier Worthy.

Speaker 2 Super Bowl. Tell me how you stop that.

Speaker 1 How do you stop that?

Speaker 1 That's a championship team.

Speaker 1 Okay, speaking of championship teams, Henry. Yep.

Speaker 1 So, Dynasty, for people who have been watching the Patriots documentary, it's six episodes in. The last two episodes were Tom Brady's

Speaker 1 ACL and then Aaron Hernandez.

Speaker 1 Before you give us your number one Patriot of all time, actually just give it to us. Brady.
Okay. That was great.

Speaker 1 This documentary,

Speaker 1 I think it's having the reverse effect that Robert Kraft thought it was going to have.

Speaker 1 He planned this documentary to get into the Hall of Fame, and it's so clearly slanted towards Robert Kraft, but it's so, so slanted towards Robert Kraft that it's completely making me hate Robert Kraft.

Speaker 5 And unnecessarily, like, they're going over the top to slant it.

Speaker 1 They blamed Aaron Hernandez on Bill Belichick. Yeah.
And basically made it like Robert Kraft was trying to save him.

Speaker 1 One piece that was crazy that like glossed over, Robert Kraft telling the story about how after Aaron Hernandez had killed Odin Lloyd, he went into the

Speaker 1 locker room and saw him working out, Aaron Hernandez, and was like, tell me if you did it. If you did it, we'll find the best lawyer in the world.

Speaker 1 He was basically like, just let me know that you're a murderer. We'll defend you.

Speaker 2 Well, he said, Aaron, tell me, did you do it? Because if you did it and you had a really good reason to do it, then I trust you and I'll get you the best defense attorney possible to get you off.

Speaker 2 Right. And that's crazy.
So he was, and then he was upset with Aaron when Aaron lied to him about being in like Rhode Island the day of it.

Speaker 2 But it was very clearly like Robert Kraft was very close with Aaron Hernandez the entire time.

Speaker 2 And when they talk about the trade that Aaron wanted from Belichick and he wanted to go to the West Coast, and Belichick said no, they definitely pointed at that and said Bill Belichick is responsible for like the murder of

Speaker 1 the Globe guy. Basically said that.
Which is crazy because Aaron Hernandez had already committed a murder. Two.
Double murder. Double murder.
Allegedly.

Speaker 2 He's not guilty, though. Yeah, that's true.
He did that shit. He did that.

Speaker 1 And Bill Belichick did what every NFL coach in the league would have done, being like, why would I trade this incredible tight end that we drafted who has been

Speaker 1 just ripping up the league? He's three years into his career. And I told him, do you need help? Do you need the personal security? He said, no, I want to trade.
Why would you trade him?

Speaker 1 If he's going to be vague about it, so this entire documentary, though, is like Robert Kraft trying to basically take all the credit for the Patriots' success, holding Bill Belichick hostage in these interviews because he was like, I'm not talking about this.

Speaker 1 I can't even believe Bill Belichick sat down for this.

Speaker 5 He's got to be mad. There's no way that

Speaker 1 Belichick or Kraft? Oh, no. I think Belichick knows exactly how these were going to come across.
I think he knows when he sat down that it was going to be a Robert Robert Kraft spin zone.

Speaker 1 And I think he banked onto people having a brain in their skull, like us, and watching it and being like, what is Robert Kraft doing?

Speaker 2 Do you think that Bill Belichick would have ever sat down for these interviews if they had filmed them after the scene was over and after he was no longer the coach?

Speaker 2 Because I don't think he would have.

Speaker 2 Probably not. I think they filmed it, obviously, when he was the coach, and Robert Kraft was like, hey, I want you to sit down for this interview.
He was like, okay, you're the boss.

Speaker 1 It's so over-the-top slanted towards Robert Kraft that everyone is watching it being like, this is clearly like almost propaganda at this point, and I don't believe it.

Speaker 1 And they're not letting Belichick, like, Belichick was smart, actually, how he did it. He's just not part.

Speaker 1 He's participating in the fact that he's sitting there, but he's not actually participating in any of it because he's just giving non-answers and he's letting the world decide.

Speaker 1 And the world is deciding that they're just basically doing a hit piece on Bill Belichick.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and he's there to talk football.

Speaker 5 They're not really showing a lot of football.

Speaker 2 Right. The last two episodes have had like no football.

Speaker 1 whatsoever.

Speaker 1 Who is responsible for the football success is Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 Robert Kraft is responsible for the organization, so they basically been like, Let's do a documentary about Robert Kraft and call it Patriots Dynasty.

Speaker 5 And they basically did the whole Matt Castle episode to be like, Yeah, Bill Belichick was a good coach. He got them, you know, to 11-5 just so they could absolutely rip him down in the next one.

Speaker 1 Right, yeah. It's weird.
Because that thing is weird.

Speaker 5 The whole Mac, like that Matt Castle episode,

Speaker 2 it's called Dynasty.

Speaker 5 Like, good season, whatever, 11-5. They didn't even make the playoffs.
In the 20-year dynasty dynasty run, that was one of a few seasons to not make the playoffs.

Speaker 5 Why highlight an entire episode on that?

Speaker 1 Well, so the only thing I'll say about that is you can't do the entire documentary just being like, we won, and then we won again, and then we won again, just because it's not that interesting.

Speaker 5 You have to show the low points, but you're showing two Super Bowls in 10 minutes, and then they did a full episode of Matt Castle, full episode of Aaron Hernandez. I agree.

Speaker 2 They didn't show any of the run-up of them getting back to the Super Bowl against the Giants. No, it was like blah, blah, blah.
The Giants beat us again in the Super Bowl. Right.

Speaker 5 Also, crazy part with the Matt Castle because the missed field gold in the AFC Championship, but that Ravens game was crazy. There was a lot of crazy games in those seasons.

Speaker 2 They did show some good football.

Speaker 2 I take it back. They showed some good football in the Matt Castle episode.
There was some interesting stuff about how they used him in a different way than they used Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 But one of the craziest parts that I never knew, when Tom Brady tore his ACL,

Speaker 2 he tried to come back and play. He goes out onto the practice field and he's like, fuck it, just tape my knee up.
I'm going to play an entire season on a torn ACL. Yes.

Speaker 2 And then the training staff had to pull him aside and be like, Tom, you cannot do this.

Speaker 1 That was not possible.

Speaker 2 But it goes to show you, like, Tom Brady was definitely thinking,

Speaker 2 I could very easily lose my job due to this injury the same way that Bledsoe lost his to mine. But crazy that he, like, went out there.

Speaker 2 He showed up to work the next week like, no, I'm still the quarterback. Tape it up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, that was nuts. I thought the same thing.
I was like, that's insane that he tried to do it. But, Hank, like, you can't do the documentary and just show the good stuff, but I agree.

Speaker 1 They just don't. They've slanted it so far to just the bad stuff and just the bad Belichick stuff where it's like spy gate, like

Speaker 5 boss over Super Bowls, very little football.

Speaker 1 Spygate, Bill Belichick basically was holding Aaron Hernandez's hand when he shot Odin Lloyd. Like, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 I think it's having the reverse effect, though.

Speaker 1 I think anyone who's watching it, who's, who's watching it with, like, just unbiased perspective, I'm watching it and being like, this is so slanted towards Robert Kraft. He looks like a dick.

Speaker 5 I think they're going to yada, yada, yada, the second dynasty too, and then focus on the Belichick Brady Leadership.

Speaker 1 Well, Deflaky is going to get a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You can see. Hold on.
I'll look it up.

Speaker 5 Well, one of the thumbnails is Belichick, and it says, like, Belichick,

Speaker 5 everyone's mad because Belichick, you know, keeps a player out of a big game, which alludes to Malcolm Butler. But, like, how are they going to talk about that?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 2 I don't know how they're going to address that, but the 28-3 is going to have an entire episode. All right, so here are the.

Speaker 1 Probably not.

Speaker 5 They're probably going to be like, and the Patriots came back 28-3.

Speaker 2 That would actually, that would be very funny if they were doing a story about the dynasty of the Patriots and they spent like 30 seconds on that football game.

Speaker 1 So episode 7 is Deflate Gate. It's under pressure, and it says it's basically Deflate Gate.

Speaker 1 Episode 8 is score to settle with Jimmy Garoppolo nipping at his heels and a coach that may not have his back. Brady Stage is one of the greatest comebacks in sports history.

Speaker 2 So that's going to be Brady versus Belichick.

Speaker 1 Breaking point is tensions boil over when Belichick makes a questionable decision on the biggest stage. That's Malcolm Butler end game after a decade-long run.
The dynasty crumbles.

Speaker 1 So yeah, this is just, this is just no pro Belichick whatsoever.

Speaker 5 No Malcolm Butler.

Speaker 1 Because it's, it's, again, it's Deflate Gate, Jimmy Garoppolo,

Speaker 1 Belichick benching Malcolm Butler, and then the end of the dynasty.

Speaker 2 So I think that most people that understand the complexities behind how the documentary was set up would probably take that same point of view.

Speaker 2 But I think 99% of people that watch it are just going to be like, wow, Belichick's a real dick. Because they don't understand that it's like a Robert Kraft documentary.

Speaker 2 I think, though, like an unbiased viewer that does not have any idea how this whole thing was set up is going to watch it. And they're

Speaker 1 Aaron Hernandez,

Speaker 1 but that's when it flipped for me.

Speaker 2 But he comes off as such a dick because he's not answering the questions. And he's basically saying, like, I don't want to talk about any of the things that you're discussing in the documentary.

Speaker 2 People that don't know how this interview was set up and how the dynamics behind Kraft and Belichick are going to watch and be like, yeah, coach is just a dick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but these are NFL fans.

Speaker 5 A dick and a murderer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but these are NFL fans. They know who Belichick is.

Speaker 1 I just, maybe we're, maybe because we, we cover the NFL and we know all these stories so well, but I just, I just watch it and I'm like, that Aaron Hernetta's episode was crazy to me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It was crazy. If you're going to call one coach a murderer, it should be Urban Meyer.
Yeah. In that situation.
And they kind of glossed over that.

Speaker 1 They did.

Speaker 2 There were like three things that happened to Aaron when he was at Florida that they did not discuss. Yeah, they had a fixer.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 2 they brought up a fixer basically saying we had a lawyer that would just pay people off to drop charges. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Who's your honorable mention? Aaron Hernandez. Oh,

Speaker 1 if they're going to give him a full episode,

Speaker 1 well, I also want to say. Or Gronk, like they're like, Gronk got drafted.
Aaron Hernandez.

Speaker 5 The story of Gronk getting in trouble within five minutes was great. That's great.

Speaker 2 That is funny. Yeah, because he was dancing on the stage too long.

Speaker 1 And like, all right, Gronk, get off.

Speaker 1 even even the draft shots where it's like they they're making sure that robert crafts in all of these videos it's just crazy to me ernie adams by the way is the star of it oh for sure because every time he opens his mouth it's great for sure the star well he also said the seattle thing like that no one else said we should have traded him to the seattle seahawks i remember that story threw that in there i remember that story though when it was happening might have been happening didn't don't you remember that story when it was happening i mean i'll never forget the when we were with zoltan mesco yeah we were with zoltan mesco every single time the day that aaron hernandez got arrested with like the helicopter we were we were filming the picture with in the white shirt and orange shorts we were filming a punt video not too far from foxbrook no and uh we saw the helicopter saw the helicopter and we're like hey this is aaron hernandez like because obviously it was leading up to it he was he had been questioning all that stuff and he just was like yeah that dude's pretty crazy like every i mean even the wes welker story yeah they're like

Speaker 1 everyone in the locker room knew yeah wes welker being like he's gonna to say some fucked up shit.

Speaker 2 Just ignore it.

Speaker 2 He's going to stand up and like jack off at his own locker. He's going to say the most outlandish shit.

Speaker 2 I wanted more examples of like what's the weird over-the-line stuff that he was saying at the time that everybody knew about.

Speaker 5 But Dion Branch even said when he was like, I should have known. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It seems like Aaron Hernandez was basically talking about

Speaker 1 murdering people in the locker room. But that should have been.

Speaker 5 And everyone in the locker room knew, like, Zoltan Mesco did not blink.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but the thing is,

Speaker 1 not every guy who has issues ends up being a murderer, but this happens in every locker room in America because if a guy is that good, he gets excused for things.

Speaker 1 And it's like, well, he's weird, but he scores touchdowns.

Speaker 2 I'd also like to take this opportunity to educate our audience about something. If you did watch the documentary, you were misled about a pretty significant fact that we want to correct here.

Speaker 2 They said that Aaron Hernandez was the first serial killer in the history of the NFL. That's not true.

Speaker 2 That's not true. There was a man by the name of Randall Woodfield that played for who?

Speaker 1 For who?

Speaker 2 The Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 2 Played for the Green Bay Packers, I believe, in the 70s. He's also known as the I-5 killer.
He killed, they suspect, up to 41 people. Wow.
And that's all on the hands for the Packers? For every owner.

Speaker 1 He killed 41 people for the Packers.

Speaker 2 He killed 41 people.

Speaker 1 For the Packers.

Speaker 2 He was a Packer. I don't know if that was his job at the time.

Speaker 1 Sounds like he was roster spot.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Was knife,

Speaker 2 but he killed up to 41 people. And yeah, so he is the only serial killer in the history of the NFL because Hernandez's convictions got vacated because he was appealing them when he offed himself.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Bad guy, for sure, Aaron Hernandez.

Speaker 1 Oh, this is a touching sentence.

Speaker 5 The rookie symposium when Chris Cole was like,

Speaker 5 if you guys are smoking that cushion, you're going to keep smoking that cushion.

Speaker 1 He's like, hell yeah.

Speaker 5 That was kind of funny.

Speaker 2 It's always funny, too, just looking back 10 years.

Speaker 5 And he was like sitting next to the Pouncey Brothers.

Speaker 2 Like 15 years ago in America, if you smoked weed, people would be like, you might kill somebody. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think that was the Chris Carter Fall Guy symposium. Yeah.
He got under a lot of shit for being like, you should have a fall guy.

Speaker 1 They should have probably showed that part. Aaron Hernandez, they should have showed Chris Carter saying that and Aaron Hernandez sleeping during it.

Speaker 1 And like, well, we didn't have a fall guy.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that Boston Globe guys.

Speaker 5 Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
Like, shocking quote. The guy that he was the one that said Belichick

Speaker 1 basically murdered. Yeah.
And Robert Kraft being like, we let down the whole community, like, basically trying to,

Speaker 1 they set it up so perfectly, like, Belichick killed him, and then Robert Kraft apologizing to everybody.

Speaker 5 And Jonathan Kraft being like, I couldn't wait. I had to cut him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, okay. This is crazy.
The whole thing, that was nuts.

Speaker 1 Okay. Let's get to who's back.
And then we have Dan Quinn. Great interview with Dan Quinn.
Who's back of the week?

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Speaker 1 Okay, Hank, your who's back of the week.

Speaker 5 My who's back of the week is March.

Speaker 2 It is March. Yeah, this is March.

Speaker 5 13 years ago,

Speaker 1 I had this coach.

Speaker 5 I was at his engagement party in March. I was unable to attend.
He was angry, and the relationship was never the same, but I always felt that he wasn't truly a great guy. Then Kemba Walker happened.

Speaker 5 Life always has a way of working itself out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is from John Rostein. I had that as well on my Who's Back.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say something crazy. I mean, I think John Rostein's right here.

Speaker 1 Engagement party is a joke.

Speaker 2 For guys.

Speaker 1 For guys? Yeah. That's a fucking joke.

Speaker 2 Is an engagement party just for like a guy or a girl? I would assume it's for both of them, right?

Speaker 1 You have a wedding. Yeah.
Yeah, that's so optional. Engagement party is the most optional thing in the world.

Speaker 1 Engagement party is a fucking bullshit thing that no one should even have or be invited to. John Rostein deserves credit here.
He made the right choice. Kemba Walker happened.

Speaker 1 Why are you shaking your head, Max?

Speaker 1 I'm not. I'm not.
Okay. Yeah, because, yeah, you agree.
Engagement parties are a joke. Yeah, no, I don't care about engagement parties.
Engagement parties. No one should.

Speaker 2 It's just another way for the bride to be to show off to all her friends who aren't engaged yet. Look, I got one.
And get gifts.

Speaker 1 I think engagement parties is fine.

Speaker 1 If someone gets engaged, you tell all your friends around, let's go to a bar.

Speaker 1 Let's have a job. Sure.
You go out for bats and bats and engage.

Speaker 1 And if someone doesn't show up, especially John Rossine, who has to work for March, although this might have been before he was working in college basketball, either way, engagement party, bullshit.

Speaker 1 I stand with John Rosstein. People were roasting him.
That was just a very John Rossine thing to say.

Speaker 2 Yeah, did you expect John Rothstein to attend your engagement party during March?

Speaker 1 Yeah, this guy, I'm going to go one further. John Rossine was right.
This guy's a fucking schmuck.

Speaker 1 He's a schmuck. What did he say? I never had a good feeling about the guy.

Speaker 5 What did he say? I never thought he was.

Speaker 1 I never thought he.

Speaker 5 I always felt that he wasn't truly a great guy.

Speaker 2 Because he didn't respect college basketball.

Speaker 1 Imagine being that guy reading that tweet being like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 Yeah, dude. An engagement party, if you're a guy, are you...
There's no chance you're asking your friends with a straight face, hey, would you want to come to my engagement in March?

Speaker 1 In March? Conference Championship Week.

Speaker 2 But Max is right. Per usual.
I've always said that about Max. He's got great taste and things.
You invite your boys to go out for some beers, and then you have a good time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. This is John Rosteen was 100% right.
And

Speaker 1 I liked the replies, though, were great. The first reply was, I divorced my wife so I could watch March Madness.
Best decision I ever made. Wives are temporary.
Marches forever.

Speaker 1 Fact.

Speaker 1 It is March. It's fucking March.

Speaker 2 It's very March right now.

Speaker 1 It's so March. It's so March May in Chicago.

Speaker 2 This is the most March

Speaker 2 that it's ever been. And it rocks.

Speaker 1 The other one. My wife went into labor right when the Thursday first-round games tipped off in 2019.
I told her I was busy watching March. Luckily, her boyfriend was able to drive her to the hospital.

Speaker 1 LSU Yale was more important. Yep.
Yep. This is March.

Speaker 2 You should just lie and say every year that you got a vasectomy during March. It's like it's a yearly thing.
You have to get it re-upped. So I can't leave my couch.
This is March.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 My Who's Back of the Week is artificial intelligence in the NFL. Okay.
So there is a potential rule change that's going to be happening maybe as early as next year, but probably the year after that.

Speaker 2 The NFL in a few different games has been experimenting with measuring down and distance using the Hawkeye technology that they use for tennis. Okay.
Meaning the chain gangs will be no more.

Speaker 2 And I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
And I'll tell you why.

Speaker 2 People are always like, oh, we're measuring like this billion-dollar industry with a chain and sticks held by old retired guys on the sideline. Yeah, that's part of why it rocks.

Speaker 2 It's kind of cool that we have a fucking chain that they have to sprint out onto the field and look because here's what makes it cool.

Speaker 2 If you have a rooting interest in that game and they bring the chain gang out there, it's like another play that happens that you get to celebrate.

Speaker 2 When they're a little bit short, if you're on defense, you get that bump, you get that extra crowd boost. You just freak out on your couch and you yell at the TV.

Speaker 2 Yeah, fuck yeah, we stopped you, bitch. You get excited about that shit.
And if you make the first down, that's like another play that you just got a first down on. Couldn't be more.

Speaker 2 If it's all Hawkeye technology, sometimes the technology is too good to the point where you don't, it feels like you're not watching human beings play sport anymore.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I've said this a million times.
I'll say it again. If you

Speaker 1 put AI into sports and you make robot umps and robot referees, you are depriving men of somewhere between 50 and 75% of the conversations they have with each other. You can't do that.

Speaker 1 The world will crumble. If we can't complain about the refs, what the fuck are we going to talk about?

Speaker 2 Nothing. Yeah,

Speaker 2 and the chain gang thing is like people always get upset. Like, I can't believe we got this bad spot.
We got the chains coming out, and we're still using this technology.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we are, and it's awesome.

Speaker 2 And I understand that's something you want to complain about if your team doesn't get a first down where you think that you should have gotten a first down, but it's fun.

Speaker 2 Like, this is one of the things that makes sports fun.

Speaker 1 Think about a world where your team loses a huge, massive game, and you can't go online afterwards and share a bunch of screenshots for weeks and weeks and weeks showing how your team was actually held more than them or this call was wrong.

Speaker 1 That's not a world I want to live in. That's how we cope as men.
Well, we have to have a coping mechanism when things don't go our way. You don't say, well, my team is bad.

Speaker 1 You say, well, the refs screwed us.

Speaker 2 We're also going to have to look into the histories behind the people that work for the Hawkeye technology because people will be like, oh, they grew up in Boston. They're a Patriots fan.

Speaker 2 Oh, they grew up in like Charlotte, North Carolina. They're a Panthers fan.
And they're going to use that to explain why they're best.

Speaker 1 David Tepper's funded them.

Speaker 2 That we can, yeah, David, maybe this guy worked for a company that David Tepper bought out and then bulldozed to the ground at some point. Yep.
They've got a beef against David Tepper.

Speaker 1 Did you see the new kickoff rules they're throwing out there?

Speaker 2 They're going to do the XFL, it sounds.

Speaker 1 Sam Schwartzeen. Yeah, they're going to do Sam Rex.
I actually like it.

Speaker 2 We should call that the Sam rule.

Speaker 1 It's the Sam rule. So from what I understand, well, I don't like the on-site kick thing where you can only do it when you're down and you have to declare that you're doing it.

Speaker 2 I don't mind it because you're allowed to, they're bringing back being allowed to overload which side of the field you have players on, which is why we haven't had any on-site kick recoveries in like the last two years, it feels like.

Speaker 1 But the sneak attack on-side kick is awesome.

Speaker 2 It is fun, yeah.

Speaker 1 We shouldn't take that away.

Speaker 1 The new kickoff rule, though, I like, it's essentially, if I understand it correctly, the kickoff team is kicking from the 40.

Speaker 1 You have to kick it. Any touchback is the 35.

Speaker 2 If it lands in the end zone, it's a 35. 35.
If it lands between, I want to say the 35 and the goal line and then rolls into the end zone, it's a a 20-yard touchdown. Right.

Speaker 2 So you want kickers to land the ball in the field of play and then have it roll again.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they're basically essentially trying to get kickoff returns back in the game, but less violent. So there's less, it's not

Speaker 1 60 yards of guys running at each other. It's 30 yards of guys running at each other.
And teams will have an incentive to run it back more so that they, yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm in for it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm in for that. And I like what they're doing to the onside kick, except I agree.
I think you should be allowed to sneak attack.

Speaker 1 You have to be able to sneak attack. Okay, my who's back of the week is Sidney Sweeney.

Speaker 1 She was on SNL. Yeah.

Speaker 2 She was great. She was really good.

Speaker 1 I saw her thanking everyone.

Speaker 1 People are saying, is Sidney Sweeney bringing back tits?

Speaker 2 Were they ever gone?

Speaker 1 Well, there's been, I don't know, what would you say, a decade run where asses have been number one? Max hates tits. He does.
He hates fucking them. He hates looking at them.

Speaker 1 But people are saying Sidney Sweeney might be,

Speaker 1 we might look back in history and be like, when did tits come back? Sidney Sweeney.

Speaker 2 I also love the fact that there was a nutritionist online that tried to take credit for Sidney Sweeney's diet, and Sidney Sweeney had to be like, I've never met this woman before. Don't listen to her.

Speaker 2 Her diet is not what we're all thinking of. If there was a diet that made that happen, then that would be something special.
Yeah. But I don't think anyone's concerned about her diet.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I saw a great meme. It was like, they fill us with garbage and it was like all the milk products that we get given now.
And then they give us solutions, and it's like soy milk and everything.

Speaker 1 And then it says they deprive us of what we need, and it's just Sidney Sweeney's dead.

Speaker 2 I looked at some of those tweets today, and

Speaker 2 an insane, a preposterous number of bookmarks

Speaker 2 on any Sidney Sweeney post ever.

Speaker 1 I mean, I have a couple bookmarked. Yeah, they're

Speaker 2 highly.

Speaker 2 If you're looking for bookmarked engagement, I highly recommend posting Sidney Sweeney.

Speaker 1 Let me see. Where's that one that I bookmarked?

Speaker 2 What is the purpose of bookmarking something?

Speaker 1 For this exact reason. Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Why don't you just smash the like button?

Speaker 1 Well, because then you have to scroll back much farther.

Speaker 2 Okay, so bookmark is like a super like. It's a super secret like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my bookmarks are very funny. It's Sidney Sweeney.
It's

Speaker 1 Lions head coach Dan Campbell and his fourth down decisions.

Speaker 1 Oh, this one hurts. Wisconsin won't make it to the Sweet 16 this year.
I'll delete my Twitter if they do. That I'm going to unbookmark because I won't need to go back to that.

Speaker 1 It's a Dan Hurley clip. And that's about it.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2 All my bookmarks are when I got into a bookmark battle with Hank.

Speaker 1 Hank. Oh, here's one.
Hank, who's Aiden Ross? Streamer. Why the fuck is he in the news every day? Explain it to Hank.
Hank hot in the streets. He

Speaker 5 came up playing NBA 2K. And then he started doing like IRL streams, having rappers over his house doing freestyles.
Went super viral doing that.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 Signed a big deal with Kik.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Is a partial

Speaker 5 rival streaming service with Twitch, Rumble, YouTube, all the.

Speaker 2 It's one of those.

Speaker 5 Signed a big deal with them. He's a part like owner of the entire platform, so he's also helping get other Kik creators on there.
But he has an army of

Speaker 5 people that make clips for him, so his clips go everywhere.

Speaker 1 But he's like, I feel like he's always in beef or or getting scammed or something.

Speaker 5 He got scammed by 21 Savage. He got scammed by Playboy Cardi.

Speaker 2 That's kind of his thing.

Speaker 5 Well, he does, like, he does, he's had a lot of his success doing streams with rappers, but then it's kind of blown up and he's gotten scammed a couple times. But for him,

Speaker 5 getting scammed also plays because it's like, that's all I see. It's all his views.

Speaker 1 He's getting scammed every other day.

Speaker 5 He gets like 100,000 people watching him.

Speaker 2 Okay. I'm looking back through my bookmarks right now.
How can I possibly have bookmarks that happened in 2021?

Speaker 2 the bookmark wasn't around then right i don't know maybe it was because my first bookmark i think it was is it wasn't an elon thing is aj titties saying babe what the fuck does bonk mean

Speaker 2 there we go that's the bookmark since i bookmarked it

Speaker 1 there's

Speaker 1 Twitter's just become like a minefield I don't even know what the the bots have become so good so you just don't know if they're real or not they're all they're all like AI yeah they're like repeating things that you say but in a way that you think it's a real reply.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I saw this one guy who was like, man, the engagement on the site is off the charts. How awesome is this?

Speaker 2 He was just scrolling through Twitter and then clicking reply and had an AI button next to it, and it would just generate a reply. And he did that for like 30 seconds.
He's like, isn't this cool?

Speaker 2 And everyone's like, no, dude, you're actively killing the internet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What the hell? It's a minefield. What do you got, Hank? You got some of your bookmarks?

Speaker 5 Matthew Stafford is 6-2 against the spreads as a visitor on Monday Night Football.

Speaker 5 And then my other one is.

Speaker 1 This is good. This is guys read their bookmarks.

Speaker 5 If you dunk a basketball, I'll name my firstborn Henry Lockwood Rozier. I don't care what my baby mama says, I'll sign that motherfucker while she out of commission.

Speaker 1 I like that. That's good.
Oh, wait. This one.
Oh, I have one five workouts for bigger biceps. I'm going to use that at some point.

Speaker 1 How to last longer before ejaculating tips on how to last longer in bed. That's from 2011.
Oh, that's when the tweet was.

Speaker 1 Kegel training to stop ejaculating fast in two weeks.

Speaker 5 Is that like

Speaker 5 guy something?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Or like men's health.

Speaker 1 I get a lot of those.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 15-minute dumbbell arms workout to build muscles.

Speaker 5 Okay. Have you been doing the treadmill and watching games?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I have four TVs in my gym, though. So that's good.
That's sick.

Speaker 1 I'm going to start doing it.

Speaker 2 It was so nice outside today, though.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 2 you can have the nicest home gym and you just look outside and you're like,

Speaker 2 if I work out, I should be working out outside. And then you just never work out.

Speaker 1 I'm focused on diet right now. Donnie's been cooking me meals, just trying to eat clean.

Speaker 1 We'll work out

Speaker 1 when we lose some pounds.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Speaking of this interview coming up, I have a bookmark from Hank Lockwood sent on February 1st, 2024, when Schefter announced that the commanders are hiring Dan Quinn that just says, ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Speaker 1 Oh, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Speaker 2 I'm glad you thought that was so funny, Hank.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Honestly, great interview. Yeah, great interview.
Good guy.

Speaker 5 I was just laughing because you wanted every other coach, but.

Speaker 2 No, I didn't. Yeah, I didn't.
Dan Quinn was my first.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's get to our interview. Yeah.
Yeah. Dan Quinn.

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Speaker 1 okay we now welcome on a very special guest it is head coach of the Washington Commanders Dan Quinn coach all-time football guy. Let's just start there.

Speaker 1 You're one of our favorite football guys. Right on.

Speaker 1 It feels like every time we see you, you know, when you were on the Cowboys or the Falcons, like there's Dan Quinn with his hat backwards, just loving football.

Speaker 1 So thank you for joining us. Yeah, man.
Congratulations on getting the job. You're going to be part of this show now because obviously PFT a huge Commanders fan.
Right on.

Speaker 1 What is the first, you know, you're what, a month in? What's the first thing that you've done to change the culture or football culture and bring the Dan Quinn football culture to Washington?

Speaker 4 You know, I'm pumped about it. And one, it's cool to be on your guys' show, man.
And as we're getting into it,

Speaker 4 we just want to make sure we can set out to set a team that

Speaker 4 helped create a nightmare for other people, man. Like when you play us, you say, these guys are fucking bringing it.

Speaker 4 And the attitude, the intensity, the swagger that goes with that, that's what I, you know, I'm setting out to do. And so it starts with personnel, and that's why it's cool to be, you know, with Adam.

Speaker 4 Like he's got a, he's a lead at it in terms of finding the right people at the right fit to do it. And then on the personnel, this is going to be the scheme side, the coaching side,

Speaker 4 I thought it was cool to see how many people wanted to be a part of this.

Speaker 4 And so like the amount of coaches that we were able to attract, some that we couldn't add to it, but that told me a lot about what the organization means to say like people were wanting to be a part of it.

Speaker 4 And then the third piece is like that play style, the attitude that you play with, the hitting, the physicality, the ball hawking, the explosive plays.

Speaker 4 So like all three of those things are going to be what's going to make our team that. And then once that comes into place, then we then we've then we put the gas on it, man.
Yeah, I like it.

Speaker 2 And I like, I like just thinking about being a nightmare. Yeah.
It's a cool visual to hit.

Speaker 4 Like when somebody comes to play, it's like, man, it's going to be a hard game, bro. Yeah.
You better bring your shit. And like, it's going to be a fight.
And so that's what I want us to be.

Speaker 4 And that doesn't mean you're going to win everyone. But it does mean that, like, hey, man,

Speaker 4 you better be ready. These guys finish.
They're aggressive. And if we can create that kind of identity,

Speaker 4 the wins will follow.

Speaker 2 I like that. I like that.
Very important question for me right off the bat.

Speaker 2 The backwards hat. When did you decide to go with the backwards hat? What was that decision like in your mind when you're like, okay, I'm going to be a defensive coordinator for Dallas?

Speaker 2 I'm going to flip the hat backwards.

Speaker 2 We're turning over a new page right now. And then the follow-up to that is, are we keeping the backwards hat this year on the side?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think it's somehow the hat is definitely taking on a life of its own, which I was unaware of.

Speaker 2 Colin Coward hates it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Have you seen Over the Top? You've seen him. Is that? Yeah.
Because I always assumed when you go backwards, that's when it's going on.

Speaker 4 It's on, right? So I would say I've probably been doing it like my whole life. Sometimes it's backward, but I'd say maybe 70%, but not all the time, you know?

Speaker 4 And that's just like how I like to wear them. And so it's kind of what I do and how I do it.
So yeah, that's how we'll play.

Speaker 2 Okay, I like that. And on a serious note, when you were figuring out what you want to do for your next step, I know you had some interviews last year.
You had other teams interested this year.

Speaker 2 How did you, you said in your introductory press conference that you're waiting for the right position with the right alignment to open up. What does that mean?

Speaker 2 What was it about the commander's job this offseason that separated itself from all the other opportunities that were in the middle?

Speaker 4 And you know, it's cool, PFD, like all 32 of them are different. And like, they're all awesome.
And there's only 32 of these things in the whole world. And so that is badass.

Speaker 4 But having done one before, I also know I have to find the right fit for me too, to be at my very best. And so I was looking for, you know, a really specific thing.

Speaker 4 And if it, if I didn't find it, I wasn't going to have to go chase it. You know, like, I was happy doing what I was doing.

Speaker 4 But if there was a space that could create, you know, from ownership to general manager and allowing us to have you know like to create that kind of identity i was talking about like you'd be crazy not to take that op and so it just so happens that like when all this alignment came it's like that's it that's the one and so

Speaker 4 going through that process, you know, you're guarded, but you're like, damn, you know, like you want this one to happen because you know you can help create it there and to have the chance to do it like a historic franchise where like football means a lot to this community.

Speaker 4 And so like I grew up watching the NFC East. You know, I grew up in New Jersey.
And so like, you know, I remember seeing games and watching games.

Speaker 4 And so knowing how important this franchise is to the NFL and to the community, like that meant something to me too.

Speaker 4 So like every once in a while when the stars align, man, you got to fucking go let it rip. And this was my moment to go do that.

Speaker 2 It's a football town, too.

Speaker 2 It hasn't been recently as much. That's right.

Speaker 2 The opportunity is definitely there in D.C. to be the one team that like ties the entire community together.

Speaker 2 I think it's a great opportunity, too. I really think it's like a sleeping giant.
And when you said, I like to do hard shit with tough people, or what was it? What's the quote you like to say?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I like to do hard shit with good people. Hard shit with good people.

Speaker 2 This is hard shit.

Speaker 4 That's the best.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I like doing good shit with hard people, too. So yeah, hard shit.
Yeah, both.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
I'm going to bring up a bad memory. And I would assume when people say they're going to bring up a bad memory with you, you're thinking Super Bowl.
This is not a Super Bowl question.

Speaker 1 This is a bad memory for me specifically because I am a gambler. I want to take you back to 2015.
I want to take you back to, I think it was week nine or 10. You're playing the San Francisco 49ers.

Speaker 1 Do you remember what happened in that game? Yes. Why did you kick a field goal on the one-yard line?

Speaker 4 Yeah, no shit, right?

Speaker 1 I was so upset. I actually went back and I looked at it.
How much do I owe you?

Speaker 1 Listen, I looked back at my blog, and

Speaker 1 I'll say this. I was at least, I defended you a little.

Speaker 4 Can I tell you why it was going to go?

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, yeah. All right.

Speaker 4 So we had a fantastic place kicker, Matt Bryant.

Speaker 1 You were down four with four minutes left on the one-yard line.

Speaker 4 So I thought, we'll kick it. We'll stop him.
We'll go drive it again. Matt will kick it again.
So it was pretty easy for me to see it at the time. Made no sense.

Speaker 4 That's because you weren't there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, all right. So here's what I wrote.
How much do I owe you? This is what I wrote. This is what I wrote.
And I defended you a little bit.

Speaker 1 I started the blog with Dan Quinn shouldn't be fired. He is just in year one.
There you go. But he should have to take the most rigorous neurological exams known to man.
Also, he should 100% be fired.

Speaker 4 Well, the first part was definitely fair. So like, I think what happens as you're going through it, like, those are scars you have.
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 1 I still have that scar.

Speaker 4 I think that's why sometimes you're better on your second lap. Yeah.
Like I had to go through those and make the mistakes and say, like, I ain't never doing that again. Yeah.
And so

Speaker 1 you, are you, can I get that promise from you? Oh, yeah. All right.
If you're ever down four on the one-yard line again under four minutes, you will not kick a field ball.

Speaker 4 That's right.

Speaker 1 There we go. I like that.
That feels good.

Speaker 4 you but no like on a serious note like

Speaker 4 yeah i regretted that yeah like i had a clear vision all right you know like we weren't exactly like crushing it in so like we had got stopped three other times at the one

Speaker 4 so it wasn't like you know what i mean like okay let's just slam it again you know so like

Speaker 1 so there was a thought to say kick it stop them go and they weren't hitting that there like it wasn't like a shootout of a game yeah so i thought okay this plan then when you don't hit it it it's a scar that you're there But you do have to learn from those and I say when you go through and you make mistakes I'm not doing that again, but you have to you do have to go through them It sucks, but you did and I did I feel like this is a healing moment I finally can put this to bed because I I also didn't tell you that like probably for the next five years anytime a team Was like fourth and one on the one I'd be like Dan Quinn would kick it here So I did do that as well, but I it brings up a good point that I actually wanted to ask a serious question a lot of head coaches the second time around they have a lot more success because they did learn so So is there one specific thing that you learned at your time in Atlanta that you're like, this is what I'm going to do different, and we're going to be better off for it?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I would say there's way more than just one specific thing. But I think that's why you have that space to do that where I had, you know, three years to say, what would this look like?

Speaker 4 What would this look like from staffing to personnel to, you know, however you want to think about it?

Speaker 4 Like you can slice it in a lot of different ways, but having specific plans in place just for that, you know, reason alone. So there's a ton of them, but

Speaker 4 those are all the lessons you go through and say, all right, man, when I get this chance, if it happens again, like, I ain't missing that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I believe you.

Speaker 2 I believe you when you say that too.

Speaker 2 It's funny that Big Cat brought up the field goal thing because I was talking to Sean, the PR guy for the Commanders beforehand, and he was like, what kind of questions do you think you're going to talk to?

Speaker 2 I was like, I think Big Cat's going to bring up this one field goal. I get it in 2015.

Speaker 4 He sounds like he didn't harden his heart, but he definitely did.

Speaker 1 No, I was carrying it around. It was a weight.
I feel like I'm going to sleep well for the first time in eight years.

Speaker 4 Yeah, safe place. I feel like we're at a good space right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, you promised me.

Speaker 2 I've got a little visual exercise here that I was hoping we could do together, coach.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 I printed out a picture here. These are two guys.
Well, really three guys, but the guy on your left here, that's Drake.

Speaker 1 Yep. Right.

Speaker 2 And the guy on your left here, his name's Caleb. Yep.
Right. So just looking at Caleb and Drake,

Speaker 2 which guy do you like more?

Speaker 4 I would say Drake.

Speaker 1 Oh, you like Drake more than Caleb?

Speaker 2 Oh, and that the fact in the middle, his name's Jane Daniels. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, like, so you still like Drake?

Speaker 4 I can't even see it, honestly. Yeah, but Drake, but you said Drake.

Speaker 2 Drake really jumped off the page. Yeah.
Drake wearing the blue right now.

Speaker 4 I think he just had a little more swag, looked a little tougher.

Speaker 1 Okay. And so, like, I've kind of been drawn to more toughness.
So I would say. Okay, that's good.

Speaker 4 I mean, maybe you guys like khakis. I don't know.
That's not my thing.

Speaker 1 It's a good answer.

Speaker 2 So, how involved are you right now in the scouting process and the draft process? Is that going to be primarily Adams' call or is that going to be a combined call?

Speaker 2 Is it going to be group decision or is ownership involved in that?

Speaker 4 Well, it's definitely Adams first. You know, like, that's his superpower.

Speaker 4 And so the best thing, you know, when you see a coach and a general manager working together is knowing what players you need to fit the system.

Speaker 4 And that's been one of Adam's strengths, you know, wherever he's been, like, whatever the team needs, that's what he's going to find.

Speaker 4 It's not like this is the only type of quarterback or the only type of receiver and i think the best of the best do that to say hey this is what the team needs and how to fit them in so i like being part of that process i've always liked the scouting side of coaching like i think if i wasn't coaching i would want to do something like that because of i like seeing how you could feature a player what unique stuff they have and then how do we put them into the offense or the defense or in a return game that's unique so when you have and you can find those kind of players like all right what would we do and how would we feature that player and that's kind of the fun part of coaching yeah yeah This season, transform your space into an entertainer's dream with Wayfair.

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Speaker 1 One other part that I assume is fun of coaching is like you don't get enough credit your coaching tree. You've got a lot of guys who coached under you Atlanta who now have head coaching jobs.

Speaker 1 I'd have to imagine that's one of the best feelings to be able to have guys come along and then go fulfill their dreams throughout the league.

Speaker 4 You know, because if you played some small part in that, you know, to share a philosophy, share a lesson, share something, allow them to do their thing, like I absolutely am that.

Speaker 4 And there'll be a number on this staff as well. Yeah.
You know,

Speaker 4 that's here in Washington that's going to rock it. And so, but it, you know, like, I am super proud to see some of these guys at league meetings, you know, Kyle and Matt and Raheem and Mike.

Speaker 4 And, you know, like, I'm sure we'll all have a beer together and hang out. And, but but those times, like, that's a really cool thing.
And I'm super proud of those guys.

Speaker 1 Were your feelings hurt a little bit when Tony Pollard didn't know that you took the job for like a week?

Speaker 4 No, I love Tony. Yeah.
That was crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And he's an

Speaker 4 awesome dude, man. So, like, no, he is rock solid.
So, yeah, Tony would have to have a lot of bad days to not be cool with me. Okay.

Speaker 1 That's good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Have you been in touch with your players on Dallas to be like, hey,

Speaker 2 I look forward to kicking your ass twice a year?

Speaker 4 No, when I left, I texted him before I took the job just to say, man, like,

Speaker 4 you know, a big piece of why I got this job is because of you guys.

Speaker 4 And so, like, I wanted to make sure I shared that gratitude with them because, like, I wouldn't have been in this spot to have chances had it not been for them.

Speaker 4 Like, I chose to go back to Dallas because of them as well the previous season. And so, I wanted to go fight for that and see where we could take it.

Speaker 4 It didn't work out at the end, but I did want to show my gratitude for them. Like, there's some good dudes that I'll be connected with for life on that.

Speaker 4 And I love that part of of the game, those relationships. And wherever it was, there's still people on every team that I keep up with, and there'll be a lot from this one as well.

Speaker 1 So, speaking of your coaching tree and all the guys in the league, when you're coaching against them, and this is going to be a very dumb question, but this is how my brain works because I'm a dumb person.

Speaker 1 If you're coaching against someone that you know very well,

Speaker 1 do you ever outsmart yourself where you're like, I'm going to do this because I think they're going to do that, but they know that I'm going to do that because I know that they're going to do that.

Speaker 1 And then you just get in a circle. You could.

Speaker 4 I think that would happen to you. I know that you know that I know that.
Yeah. Well, I would say like what's like what's you guys cover football.

Speaker 4 So like what's awesome about football, it's always like changing and evolving. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So like things that any of us did two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, whatever, like 10 years ago, like it evolves and changes.

Speaker 4 And so I think that's a really cool thing about our game that like nothing's staying the same. And so this formation looks like this, it's playing different.

Speaker 4 This disguise looks like this, but it's playing different.

Speaker 4 And so you enjoy competing against, you know, guys that you know, but as far as like, don't do this in this scenario because they're going to think that you're going to do that.

Speaker 4 No, I've done that, and it's way better to let the players do their thing and let it rip.

Speaker 1 So off of that, and this is kind of like maybe a nerdy football question, but is there a specific time that you remember

Speaker 1 making an adjustment like in a game where you're like, that was the adjustment I made and that won us the game? Is there maybe a game that you like sticks out in your mind?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think we did that and everything worked after that.

Speaker 4 I think you have to sometimes, um and look at so much is now going into it analytics and scouting and you know like all the different stuff like sometimes you have to absolutely throw an entirely new wrinkle at to somebody you put four linebackers on the field as opposed to three and like whoa whoa why are they doing that and so sometimes you just need to do something a little different that it presents different, but it may not even be that different for you, but it looks way different for the offense or vice versa for the defense.

Speaker 4 So those are called unscouted looks. And so those are things like, yo, they ain't never shown that.
And so those happen.

Speaker 4 And if you do those in those critical moments where they think, hey, every third and sixth, they blitz or every short yard, they do this.

Speaker 4 But if you throw some unscouted looks in, that's usually when those moments come. You got to practice.

Speaker 4 It can't be like something that's like, hey, put eight guys on the right side and see what happens. You know, like it has to be like sound and good.

Speaker 4 But if you have those unscouted looks, like, yeah, they fooled me there. Yeah.
Something they hadn't done.

Speaker 4 So sometimes you work on those for weeks and weeks, but you keep it in your back pocket as you're telling the team, yep, this one's ready. Nope, this one's not ready yet.

Speaker 4 We're gonna keep it in the cooker for a little while. And then when you're ready, then you can let it rip.

Speaker 4 But those are unscouted looks of things you haven't shown, and it's not as traditional as you would have done.

Speaker 2 You're not getting 11 safeties on the field. Yeah, right on.

Speaker 4 It's like, you know, like some things are just weird, and that wouldn't work.

Speaker 1 And they might call a timeout because you're like, what the hell is this? Yeah. So like, make them.

Speaker 4 Those things help. And you can do it in any phase, but you do have to have those things ready.
And that's sometimes timeout. Why they call it like, so at least they had to burn one.

Speaker 4 They had to get out of a look.

Speaker 4 You know, so like, and that's an offense getting out of a bad play or a defense, something that. And so like sometimes making an offense or a defense use a timeout.

Speaker 4 especially if it's like their last one, like that's a really big deal in a game where like they have no more timeouts left. So like you can take strategy down to any level.

Speaker 4 And if you give those looks,

Speaker 4 those things help.

Speaker 2 Send the punt return team out there on third down.

Speaker 1 They'd be like, wait, should we be punting right now? now? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Call time.

Speaker 1 Is it fourth down?

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, you do some cool shit on defense for sure. When you were in Seattle with Pete Carroll, he seemed to have a type for his defensive coordinators.

Speaker 2 He liked guys that had shaved heads with goatees. Was that your idea, or did he make you shave your head?

Speaker 4 Yeah, you had to have it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, that look does go back quite a bit. I saw some pictures of you playing at Salisbury, and you looked like

Speaker 2 a psycho.

Speaker 4 I wish the internet wasn't like.

Speaker 4 I thought that we were safe.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 2 you looked like you were a psycho linebacker in college. Can you confirm that? Were you crazy?

Speaker 4 Yes, yeah, of course.

Speaker 4 Back then it was just all bench press, how much you could do, and that was it. And like, we didn't have like sports performance training, you know.
Like, so it was just having fun and kicking ass.

Speaker 4 And so I had a blast there. It was great, and I did football on track.
But, yeah, like.

Speaker 4 That day of football and today's day of football is a little different.

Speaker 2 How much could you bench?

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's a New Jersey question.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, like, did you work out?

Speaker 4 Yeah, how much could you best?

Speaker 1 That's good.

Speaker 4 Where do you live? Yeah, my cousin Tony does. He does 405.

Speaker 1 Who's the max?

Speaker 4 405.

Speaker 2 405. Yeah, you were a psycho.
You were crazy.

Speaker 2 You probably gave some pretty fired-up pregame speeches.

Speaker 4 I don't know about that, but

Speaker 4 like all those experiences, man, like of coming up and having fun with everybody, like those are cool things. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Could you, when you were coaching the Falcons, could you feel when Arthur Blank came down on the sideline? No.

Speaker 4 We could. Yeah, no, he was always down.
I mean, I knew he was there.

Speaker 1 He's kind of hovering, like, hey, look what's he doing.

Speaker 4 That was his thing, you know. Like, he was just, you know, trying to show he was in.
Yeah. And so at the end of the game, he'd come down.
And I knew there was a time he did.

Speaker 4 I didn't know when it was, but that was just his way. Like, everybody's got their way, you know, to like show, hey, I'm here with you at the...
you know, hardest parts, best parts, all that.

Speaker 4 And so that was his thing. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's where it stemmed from him just wanting to show like, hey, I'm right here with you at the fight. So I thought it was actually kind of cool.

Speaker 2 Is there going to be anything different with your relationship with Cliff, your OC now that you just got, as opposed to your relationship with Kyle when you were in Atlanta?

Speaker 2 Is that something that you learned from in the past, or is that something you thought worked well in the past that you want to keep going?

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think it's super important. Like, how can I best support all the guys?

Speaker 4 You know, and so, like, from an offensive guy, I can, you know, give some insight as the defenses, what they're playing, some of the rules are, how they're doing it.

Speaker 4 So, that's how I would have helped, you know, when I went to the quarterback room or they were talking about a certain blitz. And so, I've enjoyed that through the years.

Speaker 4 But that's my role to make sure, like, the play style and the standard is what we want it to be and how it looks. Because like I said, I've got to make sure that part's right.

Speaker 4 All phases, you know, like we're sprinting off the ball, getting after it, being explosive, finishing plays. So I'll make sure I have my part into that.

Speaker 2 Some unsolicited advice. You can take it or leave it.

Speaker 2 If you get a chance to talk to Cliff, say, as a defensive guy, you know what keeps me up at night is when offenses do

Speaker 2 planned downfield laterals. After you make a catch, a reception downfield, that's always open rugby style.
Pitch it off as you're about to get tackled.

Speaker 2 There are lanes lanes and channels that open up as the defense swarms to the ball carrier. Pitch it out to the side.
Explosive play.

Speaker 2 I've been trying to weaken it.

Speaker 4 It doesn't sound unsolicited. It sounds like you're pretty solicited.

Speaker 2 It's very solicited.

Speaker 2 I am trying my best to get this in the brains of as many football guys as possible because I truly believe that it could be the next wrinkle. I mean, we've seen it a couple times.
It happens.

Speaker 2 Like Travis Kelsey always looks for it, but it is something where defenses are coached to swarm to the ball, where you open up lanes for people downfield that could have an explosive play Like anything, when you emphasize something and you practice it, that's when you get better at it.

Speaker 4 And so for me, studying rugby, there's lots of good tackling that goes, but like the precision passing when you do it.

Speaker 4 So if anything, if you add in, which I think is a good idea, you just got to practice it, man. Like you can't expect to do something in the game because you tried it once.

Speaker 4 So if it is what you do, you've got to get it on all the time and get those things going because things like that are good if you have a player unique who can...

Speaker 4 spin it yeah throw it because like you can't just you know lateral it and not have it be where it's supposed to be It's kind of like passing, like

Speaker 4 one foot right in front of the numbers. That's where you want the ball.
And same thing, if you're going to lateral somebody, I want it one foot right in front of the numbers.

Speaker 4 So if you could get to that kind of detail doing it, then you're on it.

Speaker 1 Sounds like you thought about it. Yeah, you have.

Speaker 2 I like that.

Speaker 1 I got some more unsolicited advice for you.

Speaker 4 Un or solicited advice?

Speaker 1 It's all solicited. Yeah, have you thought about the fake punt punt?

Speaker 4 So like a rugby style?

Speaker 1 No, so you snap it and then you

Speaker 1 look like you're faking the punt. So you and then then you lateral and then you punt.

Speaker 4 But wouldn't the guys be downfield some?

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, you just like, they're like, oh, shit, they're faking it, but then you actually end up still punting.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I'll have to see some more diagrams.

Speaker 1 It sounds like it confused you a little. Yeah, it does.
So it might work.

Speaker 2 Okay, here's a good one. This is more of an in-game scenario for you, though, right?

Speaker 1 In-game.

Speaker 2 Yeah, let's say hypothetically, it's the NFC championship game. Yep.
And you're down, what, eight points? Eight points. You're down eight points, and it's fourth and goal.

Speaker 1 Fourth and goal from the seven.

Speaker 2 seven from the seven yard line you're down eight points would you kick a field goal i think there's what two minutes yeah third a little over two minutes a little over two minutes left playing against the best quarterback of all team yeah the best quarterback to ever exist is on the other team um would you kick a field goal try to get a defensive stop and then get the ball back and try to score touchdown or would you try to score touchdown

Speaker 4 And did you give me timeouts or any of that kind of stuff? Or does that not matter? Because you're saying

Speaker 1 two or two timeouts, three timeouts?

Speaker 4 And it was N7? Yeah, I think you'd probably kick it there. You'd kick it there.

Speaker 1 We've been over this. Don't kick it.

Speaker 4 Not the one. You were at the one.
Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 That's fine. That's fine.

Speaker 4 That's fine. That's why I asked at the seven.

Speaker 1 That's fine. That was a Mountain Fleur question.

Speaker 2 That's fair.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's fair.

Speaker 4 Seven's different. Yeah.
Inside, you've got to go.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, this is eight.

Speaker 4 You know, I'm saying you were at the seven.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Fair.
That's fair. That's right.
That's right. All right.
Well, I have one last question.

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Speaker 1 do you how many times has 283 come up in your head just randomly i hate to ask that yeah like randomly that's a that's it's been a minute pills okay all right that's good yeah that's good.

Speaker 4 That was at once a scar. You know, I mean, not once a wound, now it's a scar.
Like, okay. Like, like I said, like, there's all things that you'd like to do different.

Speaker 4 And, but that's certainly not going to define me as a coach or in my life or anything. I like it.
So, like, like, I'll tell you what, like, playing in the Super Bowl is as fun as it gets.

Speaker 4 And so, I'd rather be on that stage every motherfucking year and to be, put yourself out there to do it. And, like, I very much look forward to proving that moment to go win it.

Speaker 1 I like that answer. Also, last, last question from me.
You're down 14 and you score. Let's say there's five minutes left.
Do you go for two?

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes. Okay.
Yeah. That's our guy right there.

Speaker 1 That's our guy. That's a great coach.
Math guy.

Speaker 1 Small math.

Speaker 4 Small math. I don't know.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Small math.

Speaker 4 No decimals, like that kind of stuff. Yeah.
No algebra, right? I like it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No letters.

Speaker 1 It's actually the only math we've ever understood. So we don't understand analytics whatsoever.
So we basically just preach it because it's the only math equation we've ever understood.

Speaker 4 There you go. It makes sense to me.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, thank you, coach. We appreciate it.

Speaker 2 Whatever you need from me, I'm here for you. He means.

Speaker 2 Consider me

Speaker 2 some shadowy member of the organization. Right on.
Any dirty work, anything. You need to kill a guy?

Speaker 1 I'll do it. You're my guy.
I would kill a guy for it. You'll pop the trunk if it was to go down.

Speaker 2 I would press a button. I would press a button that would kill you.
He's your fall guy.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 That's actually a great point. So if you can either ask me to do a chore or if you have to blame somebody for something, put it all on me.
Okay. And I'll eat that.

Speaker 2 Be like, this asshole PFT told me to do it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I have no idea what to start with.

Speaker 3 That's solid, man.

Speaker 2 You can make mistakes trusting my guy PFT.

Speaker 1 If your analytics department ever fails you, he is your analytics department.

Speaker 4 That's solid brotherhood right there.

Speaker 1 I'll eat it.

Speaker 2 Listen, we're on the right path.

Speaker 1 That's solid right there.

Speaker 2 Adam Schefter last year said that we were in the Super Bowl. That's a step in the right direction.

Speaker 2 We got Dan Quinn. We got Cliff.

Speaker 2 The draft goes through us basically at number two.

Speaker 1 I'm pumped, man. Yeah, we are backwards.

Speaker 2 Left hand up. That's what we do in D.C., by the way.
We go left hand up. Left hand up.
And you flex. That's hard.
Yeah. That's hard.

Speaker 1 That's hard. Well, thank you, coach, so much.
Best of luck. I'm happy you gave me that promise.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I feel like it's going to be good. Yeah.
Leave me your account.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 4 Put some Bitcoin in there.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up with the Monday reading. Found this one on the New York Post.
It's titled, Just Two Cans of Soda Per Week is Too Much. They did this on purpose.
Even if you exercise, study.

Speaker 2 Oh, so the study claims that two cans of soda is too much. Yeah, that's two cans of soda in a minute.

Speaker 1 In a week. Oh, a full week.
In a week, not a flight. In a week.
Workouts are rendered worthless by soda consumption, scientists warned.

Speaker 1 Drinking just two 12-ounce cans of pop per week can effectively erase the heart health gains made during exercise.

Speaker 1 According to a new study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, pharmacologists at the Université Laval in Quebec City analyzed health data from approximately 100,000 adults.

Speaker 1 over 30 years to find the damage done by sugar-sweetened beverages can't be overcome with the average recommended workout quota about 150 minutes every week.

Speaker 1 They said, Max, are you working out 150 minutes a week? Nope. Are you drinking more than two sodas a week?

Speaker 1 Honestly, yes.

Speaker 1 Probably not. Yes, no.
That's a lot. Max, come on.
I don't drink that much soda.

Speaker 5 Max.

Speaker 1 I would argue I drink the least amount of soda on this podcast.

Speaker 1 About Max. Max.
Max.

Speaker 1 Max.

Speaker 1 You guys, whatever.

Speaker 2 You had two on a flight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Max. Sweet.
And it might have been three. So are you saying that the New York Post did this on purpose on a 30-year study about two sodas? Yes.

Speaker 1 The New York Post is just obsessed with barstool sports, and they knew exactly what was going to happen when they posted this article.

Speaker 2 They wrote like a vaguely unintentional headline that had something to do with you for this. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 How many replies were about the fucking soda?

Speaker 2 I don't know. I didn't see the replies.

Speaker 1 I did. It was in my fucking mentions all week.

Speaker 2 I love that the New York Post might just be getting

Speaker 2 into the Mac's content business.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's all the New York Post does. Wait, is that, was it the New York Post?

Speaker 5 I think you drink less soda than Big Cat and PFT?

Speaker 1 I don't, like, I will drink a soda on a plane.

Speaker 5 Sounds the only time?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I drink beer, which is like obviously worse.

Speaker 2 I think I have, I think I do about two sodas a week.

Speaker 1 I think two sodas a week sounds accurate.

Speaker 1 But I don't do 150 minutes of workout a week. No, no, no.
This week I'm getting back, though. Full week.
All right, let's go. Let's go.
This week I'm back.

Speaker 2 Well, the moral of this whole study and every study that I ever read is that

Speaker 2 anything that you drink or eat in life is bad for you. Yes.
And it changes on a week-to-week basis, according to the most recent study that's published by the New York Post.

Speaker 1 Red meat has been bad and great for you a hundred times over. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Red wine, terrible for you. Also might make you live forever.

Speaker 1 Yeah, coffee is the same way.

Speaker 1 They do a study about coffee, and they're like, People who drink coffee live forever, and then the next one, coffee's bad for you.

Speaker 1 Coffee's great for you.

Speaker 2 They do the same thing with

Speaker 2 sex stuff in headlines, too. Like, people that have sex X amount of times per week live 20 years long.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 People who ejaculate within five seconds live forever.

Speaker 2 Well, actually, it's like if you look at the

Speaker 2 evolutionary aspect behind coming fast, it makes sense. Yeah.
You get in, you get out. We're alpha males.
Before you get chased down by like. It's not pleasure.
It's business.

Speaker 2 If there's a velociraptor that's running after you, you have to nut in less than five seconds. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The Canadian team noted that two sodas every seven days could be considered relatively low by many consumers, yet still presented significant health risks, Max.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know what? Let's have a big week.
This is our last

Speaker 1 that we have like a relatively great week. We actually have Diana Rossini coming on Wednesday, and then we have Pat Bev, which we taped on Saturday.

Speaker 1 Not looking for a shout-out for working on Saturday, but we did work on Saturday. Coming Friday, so we have big interviews coming this week.

Speaker 1 We don't have to travel.

Speaker 1 We can all work out.

Speaker 1 All of our toilets are working in our apartments or houses.

Speaker 1 Wait, yeah,

Speaker 2 all of our apartments are in great shape right now. Great shape, Shane.

Speaker 1 You good? Wait, Max, you're not raising your hand.

Speaker 2 Pug, is there shit water in there?

Speaker 1 This is a fire fest.

Speaker 1 It's not shit water. It's clean water.
We're not doing fire fest. You don't do fire fest.
What happened, Max? You have shitwater in your house? It's clean water.

Speaker 1 So you clogged your toilet and you came home to your house flooded?

Speaker 1 Okay, let's start from the beginning.

Speaker 1 Did you come home to your house flooded?

Speaker 1 Yes. Clean water from the back from the back of the toilet.
Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. Where was the water coming? All right, so.
Yes, the back of the toilet. Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 1 If you know anything about plumbing, step by step. Step by step.
Did you come home to your house flooded?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 Was the source of the water the toilet? No. The back.
No, no, no, no, no. No, answer the question.
Was the source of the water the toilet? The clean water. Just say yes or no.

Speaker 1 That's the answer. Was the source of the water the toilet?

Speaker 1 I gave you the answer. Just say yes or no.
I gave you your answer, sir. Was the source of the water the toilet? Back.

Speaker 1 Was the source of the water the toilet? Answer the question, yes or no, sir. Sure.
Max, I rest my case.

Speaker 2 I have another question for you. Would you take an empty glass of water, dip it into the back of your own toilet, and then drink that water?

Speaker 1 No, but it's tech. It is clean water.
Everyone would drink it in

Speaker 1 I won't do it because you.

Speaker 1 I won't do that. So you upper deck.

Speaker 1 Why not, Max?

Speaker 2 I'm confused. It's clean water.

Speaker 1 You upper decked your own toilet?

Speaker 1 No, there is an issue with my toilet.

Speaker 1 This is not a thing. From too big a dump? No, there was an issue with

Speaker 1 the make of my toilet in my apartment. It broke.
Do you think clean water was coming out of the top of my toilet? If we had the toilet in here right now, we could talk to the toilet.

Speaker 1 Would the toilet say that he's stressed? The toilet is fine. The toilet was under normal stress.

Speaker 1 Would the toilet say, Yeah, my job sucks a lot, and it's really been taking a toll on me, and that's why I decided to malfunction in the back. Would he say that? What about numbers?

Speaker 2 Max's toilet would want to kill itself.

Speaker 1 It sucked. I mean, it's not.

Speaker 1 Max's toilet better help.

Speaker 1 Oh, that toilet. If that toilet could talk.

Speaker 2 Imagine Max walking

Speaker 2 in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 It's an old

Speaker 1 man. I had the building manager dumb.

Speaker 1 And apologize. He's like, yeah, this is an old part in the back of your toilet.

Speaker 1 We should have had this replaced. And then they replaced it.
And then they got on the radio and they're like, big dumper in 206. Over.

Speaker 2 So it's shit water.

Speaker 1 It's not shit water.

Speaker 2 It's water that you wouldn't drink because it has maybe.

Speaker 1 How bad was the flooding? It sucked. I had to throw out all the carpets and my...

Speaker 1 Because there was shitwater on them? Clean water. It's clean water.

Speaker 1 You guys know nothing. Where are you getting carpets from?

Speaker 5 I need to get a carpet.

Speaker 1 Memes, can I get a quote card that just says,

Speaker 1 Max, when you came home, was your apartment flooded? Yes. Was the source of the water toilet? Yes.

Speaker 1 I just need that on the topic.

Speaker 1 I never said that. No, you said sure.
You said sure. I never said.
You said sure. I never said sure.
You said sure.

Speaker 1 I said back. Clean water.
Sure, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 sure. He's just starting along like, he's got you there.

Speaker 2 What does your apartment smell like now, Max?

Speaker 1 It was clean water. You guys smell like that.
The thing is, you guys.

Speaker 1 You know what I'm talking about? That's not my question. You know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 1 And you know that the back of the toilet.

Speaker 2 I was asking you what it smelled like. I asked you.
And it had open-ended questions.

Speaker 1 You're thinking I'm black. Is there at least a second where you thought it was a dump? No, because I've been having this issue with the back of the toilet all fucking week.

Speaker 1 So I knew exactly what the issue was. No, it was a part in the back of the toilet.
You don't dump in the back of the toilet. I know!

Speaker 1 I don't think you know that. Max, I was trying to help you.
I was saying that to Big Cat.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I just assume everything that you guys say is just trying to get under my skin.
I know!

Speaker 2 So, Max, how much how much work do you think the little socket is that goes in and out and stops the plug? Would you say that maybe it's got a lot of miles on it?

Speaker 1 Literally just flushing. Hard to be, like, it's literally flushing.

Speaker 1 When you hit it, I bet you were.

Speaker 1 hard. We're not allowed to piss.
We're not allowed to piss in this fucking show.

Speaker 1 Hardest working socket in America. We're not allowed.
We're not allowed to.

Speaker 1 I piss in the sink, so don't worry. Don't look at me.
Yeah. It's like

Speaker 1 it's literally that. You know, see, that's the thing.
You know what I'm saying? What's the problem? That's what I'm talking about. That's the exact problem was that socket that you flushed.

Speaker 2 Gasket, yeah. But I'm saying that you, when you hit your handle to suck down your meaty logs, you probably smash that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's stressed. Piss.

Speaker 1 It's stressed. It's just

Speaker 1 an old toilet.

Speaker 1 That poor toilet.

Speaker 1 You guys are such fucking people. They put it down.
They put it down.

Speaker 1 Like I out of its misery.

Speaker 2 Max's toilet's age, like president's age.

Speaker 1 It's the meme of the guy coming back from Vietnam. That's Max's toilet.
It's all the helicopters in the background.

Speaker 2 You do volunteer this information.

Speaker 2 Verbal meme. But this isn't an embarrassing.

Speaker 1 Like, this isn't an embarrassing phase. No, if you just say the words, my toilet flooded, and my favorite thing.
like that, it has nothing to do with me at all.

Speaker 1 And like everyone listening knows, but like Big Cat's fucking dumbass brain who just loves to just get on this fucking airwaves and be like, look how fat Max is. Look at how much getting shits he has.

Speaker 1 How can I bring the spin this on the show to make Max look like a fucking asshole?

Speaker 1 It was just a bad part of my day.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you come into work and you have a shitty part of your day and you just want to talk about something that sucks. Wait, so it was shitty.

Speaker 1 I love you, Max.

Speaker 2 Verbal meme, it's the blonde lady on the couch, and that's Max's toilet. And then all the African-American gentlemen around her are Max.

Speaker 1 Max, Max, Max, Max. Max, you got to know better to not volunteer this information, though.
To walk in and be like, my toilet flooded? Where do you think that goes? You can't hear it.

Speaker 1 He's got the cans on. Pug, can you agree with me, Pug?

Speaker 2 Hey, Big Kat, hypothetically, if you drank a lot of soda and that corrosive energy was going through your body,

Speaker 2 you probably dissolve some of the rubber around the gasket, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Pug, what do you think?

Speaker 1 Put on Pug. 20.

Speaker 1 Completely agree, Pug.

Speaker 1 Max, I haven't said numbers yet, so that you now have to go last.

Speaker 2 Numbers. I'm going to go 20.

Speaker 1 40.

Speaker 1 30.

Speaker 1 Um Pug?

Speaker 4 99. Pug

Speaker 1 Shane?

Speaker 2 21.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'll go

Speaker 2 77.

Speaker 1 Max?

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Speaker 1 I've got a root for you here, Max.

Speaker 2 Come on, 20.

Speaker 1 55.

Speaker 1 55. God damn it, would that have been great if he was turning?

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