Paul Bissonnette, Jay Bilas, Peter King Retires, Ice Cream Is Under Attack And Pardon Your Take

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have a twofer for the people.

Speaker 1 We've got our good friend Paul Bissonet. We know we promised him last week

Speaker 1 he was an unhealthy scratch last week, but he's here to catch up with us this week. We also have Jay Billis, who's a recurring guest.
We talked to him about court storming, college basketball.

Speaker 1 Got a touch contentious at one point, which is fun, but we found a common ground that we can all agree on. And we're going to talk a little combine.

Speaker 1 We have Hot Seat Cool Throne and Pardon Your Take, where listeners give us their takes. And also Hank's number three, Patriot.
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Speaker 3 Oh, it's good, right?

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Speaker 1 Today is Wednesday, February 28th,

Speaker 1 Milwaukee.

Speaker 3 How about it?

Speaker 1 Ask restaurant hosts.

Speaker 7 God, did you hear about Robin Williams?

Speaker 1 Host, no. Me.
Died. He killed himself.
Thought he would cry.

Speaker 3 R.I.P. Peter King.

Speaker 1 Peter King has retired.

Speaker 3 One of the best tweets of all time. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know where I was going with that. I was thinking about what to lead the show with because we're going to talk court story with Jay Billis.
But Peter King is hanging up the pen.

Speaker 3 So he's hanging up the pen. I don't know how long Peter's going to be able to hang the pen up for because I was thinking about what Peter King's job is.
And that's basically he watches football. Yep.

Speaker 3 And then he gets on the phone and he talks to football coaches. And then he writes things that football coaches tell him.

Speaker 3 And sprinkle, well, it's really a coffee column that he writes, sprinkled in with like

Speaker 3 occasional football anecdotes. Yeah.
So I think that Peter is going to be walking away from doing a weekly column.

Speaker 3 It wouldn't shock me that he seems like the kind of guy that's become such close friends with enough coaches. Peter King might just become the next biographer of football.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I can see Andy Reid's biography.

Speaker 3 He's probably going to write Andy Reid's biography.

Speaker 1 He actually,

Speaker 1 we should study Peter King in his retirement because it will will probably be not exactly apples to apples when we someday hang it up. But this is like when they release

Speaker 1 a whale into the wild after it's been in captivity in a while. I didn't mean to say whale because of Peter King's weight, but it works in this analogy.
And then the whale immediately dies because

Speaker 1 I was used to just three square meals a day and sitting in my tank. So let's hope Peter King lives a long life.

Speaker 1 after this and he's can find happiness outside of football because that we might just be staring at our future.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to follow this analogy. So, you're saying that Jim Ursa is going to pay to fly Peter King's body across the country.

Speaker 1 Peter King's the whale.

Speaker 3 And then, when Peter King hears about that, he'll die. Yes.
Okay, got it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 3 I could also see Peter King just continuing to write a column

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 not getting paid for it. And he's just like, I'm retired.
I don't have to do this every week. And then he just does it every week.

Speaker 1 He just sends it out.

Speaker 3 So we've had our ups and downs of Peter King on this podcast.

Speaker 1 Well, he still owes me money for the In It Out Burger. For the In It Out Burger.
Plus interest, plus inflation.

Speaker 3 Peter King overall seems like a nice, weird old grandfather. Well, and he's helped a lot of people out in the business.
He's personally helped me out throughout the years.

Speaker 3 I did a column making fun of his column for about seven years. Yeah.
And he's been overall a nice guy. We had a little bit of a falling out a couple of years ago.
But Peter seems like the game,

Speaker 3 he's going to miss the game exactly as much as the game will miss him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I like Peter King for the most part.

Speaker 1 He read him. I read his column in SI.

Speaker 1 He, we'll say this about Peter King. He was able to bring SI to the internet better than anyone else.

Speaker 1 Like he made a column that was perfect for the internet where it's like, what do I want to do on Monday morning? I don't want to work.

Speaker 1 Why not just read 45 minutes of Peter King's thoughts, him emptying his notebook online?

Speaker 1 So he was actually like ahead of his time in the fact that he was able to basically take the SI mold and then put it on the internet internet and it worked on the internet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there were some times I think in the last few years where Peter King maybe, I don't want to say the W word, but maybe got a little woke and decided that he was just going to take sideways shots at Barstool for no reason.

Speaker 3 I'm just going to say, you know what? Let's take the high road on this one. Yeah.

Speaker 7 He said he would never appear on a Barstool show again. That's not that it would be a pebble in the ocean.

Speaker 1 And that was

Speaker 1 right after, well, no, I was going to say that was right after I bought him a double double from In N Out with fries and I think maybe a milkshake and he didn't pay me back.

Speaker 3 As a journalist, you are not to accept free meals from people.

Speaker 1 Let's just say this when he drove in the bike lane, and when he drove in the bike lane, and also when he said Darren Sharper, uh, no, you know, yeah, Darren Sharper.

Speaker 3 He would vote for Darren Sharper from the Hall of Fame, regardless of what happened off the field, even though nobody was having the Darren Sharper Hall of Fame conversation.

Speaker 3 But if it happens, he's he is firmly in the condition that you know what? If Riley Cooper was a better player, Peter King would put him in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 Yeah, listen, I uh, yeah, Peter King, I think it was an interesting pivot to get out of paying me $12, but you pulled it off.

Speaker 1 You pulled it off being like barstool, bad, barfstool. Barf stool.
Bar

Speaker 1 with the asterisks.

Speaker 3 Yeah, one thing I always admired about Peter, though, was his ability to write a column about football that was honestly 90% not about football. Yeah.
It would be about like, he was the originator.

Speaker 3 We can actually trace the skull fucking airline companies thing that Big Cat does online. We can trace that back in a direct line to Peter King complaining about hotels hotels and airlines

Speaker 3 in his weekly football column that he would write. And he had such a hard on for any sort of travel, inconsistency, inconvenience that he would turn it into his own personal story.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 He's vendetta against these companies, which then poisoned the youths of America to think that the first thing that happens to them when Marriott doesn't have two towels ready in their hotel room is to go online and complain to Marriott.

Speaker 1 Correct. And Peter King, again, hope he lives a long, beautiful life in retirement.
But if he wants to, if his family wants to use this as his eulogy at some point, he can. They can clip this.

Speaker 1 You're free to use it. I would say, my final thought on Peter King, good for the game of football,

Speaker 1 even though he still owes me money for the NNL Perl.

Speaker 3 You know what we should do? We should do an ado haiku. That's how he ended his columns with

Speaker 3 a haiku everywhere.

Speaker 1 All right, I don't know how to do haiku.

Speaker 1 Let me say five syllables.

Speaker 3 All right, Peter King. Peter King, that's three.
Okay.

Speaker 8 Owes.

Speaker 1 Owes

Speaker 3 cash. Cash.
Peter King owes cash.

Speaker 3 I'm sorry the

Speaker 1 beer

Speaker 1 had hops. And then is it one more? Five.
Yeah, then there's another five. I thought he would cry.

Speaker 3 I thought he would cry.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I thought. Or died.
He died. He killed himself.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 3 Did you hear about Robin? That's the first one.

Speaker 3 Williams.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 He died.

Speaker 3 He killed himself.

Speaker 1 Crying. So long.

Speaker 1 So long, friends.

Speaker 1 Memes, can you put our original one that we just put out there? Can you make sure that's a graphic? Thank you.

Speaker 1 All right, so it is Combine season. We're going down to Indianapolis tomorrow.
We're going to have our annual sit-down with Adam Scheffer. Don't do that face.
Don't do that face.

Speaker 1 Hank did like this. He went.

Speaker 3 For what?

Speaker 1 He doesn't like going down to Indianapolis. You don't like Indy?

Speaker 3 It's cocktail week. You got cocktails and cocktail sauce.
You got all the horseradish you could ever. You know what?

Speaker 1 That's what it is. We're going to do one night.
One night. One night in Indy.

Speaker 3 I think the shrimp cocktail is so spicy that Hank is afraid of the entire city.

Speaker 1 Is that actually the worst porn title ever? One Night in Indy?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think it might be.
One Night in Indy. I'm excited.
Yeah, so we're going to have our annual Adam Schafter interview. Oh, he's shaking his head.

Speaker 1 I also heard we might have, I would say,

Speaker 1 I won't say she, I'll say he or she,

Speaker 1 and I want to give it away.

Speaker 1 The number one reporter this year, as of late February, if they decided the Pulitzer right now, she would win it. Or he.
Or he for her reporting on Max Tusota's. I will not be aware of it.

Speaker 1 Maybe the Pulitzer. Yeah, you will.

Speaker 1 Actually, that's.

Speaker 3 She's taking the mantle from Peter King about complaining about travels.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so it's going to be fun. We're going to go down to the Combine.
We had had a bunch of coaches talk today.

Speaker 1 Did we see anything?

Speaker 1 The Combine does feel like it's reached its final iteration of just like being everything sold out. I saw the No Bull warm-up zone that has it fully branded.
It's pretty.

Speaker 1 Yeah, everyone, some players were complaining. They're like, we used to have to run in the hallways of hotels.
Yeah. It is.

Speaker 3 It is crazy to think that just like 30 years ago

Speaker 3 there would be nobody at all at the combine. It was like scouts.
It was a time and an era when it was necessary then. Yeah, it was that.

Speaker 3 So scouts, coaches, assistant coaches, they would look at this as being like a little midwinter break where we get to just get away from the family for a little bit and get hammered in indie and go out and there's no reporters, nobody talking to us.

Speaker 3 It's our vacation that we take and we tell our families like, oh yeah, big work trip coming up.

Speaker 3 Now it's become like another spectacle that the NFL has where I'm shocked that the NFL hasn't moved it from Indy yet. It seems like they've been talking about it.

Speaker 3 Like Godel has floated a bunch of little trial balloons out there being like, well, we might move it to Vegas. We might move it somewhere else.

Speaker 7 It's not good as an entertainment event. It's not, though.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It's not.
It's very, very.

Speaker 7 It's not a spectacle. They're just trying to make it one.
No.

Speaker 1 It's not a spectacle.

Speaker 3 You go to the same restaurants, you sit at the same tables, you drink the same amount of beers, and you have the same conversations with the same people once a year, every year, which is fun.

Speaker 3 It can be fun, but it's not like fans go there and they're wowed by what they see. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So what were some of the quotes? I saw Sean Payton.

Speaker 1 He might be online because because he had a quote that said, I saw this humorous meme the other day where there's a Bronco fan with a shirt on and there's like eight quarterback names with a cross through it.

Speaker 1 And he's drinking the quarterback Kool-Aid. Our job is to make sure that the next one doesn't have a line through it.

Speaker 1 So that's, I mean, we already knew Russell Wilson was gone, but that was, he basically was like, there's a line through Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 Ryan Poles got in front of the media and did not tip his hand other than saying, if we trade Justin Fields, we'll make sure that he's in a good spot.

Speaker 3 Like a rehoming. A rehoming where we're going to a a nice farm upstate where he has plenty of room to run.
Exactly. They won't ask him to use his arm that much.

Speaker 3 I saw that the commanders are aggressively pursuing the number one pick.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 3 I also heard a rumor today. I don't know.
I probably won't say this on the air. That we're considering a quarterback that might have some history in D.C.

Speaker 1 Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 3 Which would be fantastic for the show.

Speaker 3 It would be fantastic. That's all I'm going to say.
That's actually the end of that sentence. I wasn't going to say anything at all after that.
That would be fantastic for the show.

Speaker 1 Also, shout out Brandon Bean. He had one of my favorite quotes today, which was just pure honesty.
I just like whenever a guy just gives an honest take. He said about the Josh Allen pick.

Speaker 1 He said, if he doesn't work out, I'm not going to be here anyway. And if he does work out, nobody's going to give a shit.
Yep. That's how every GM should act.
Yes.

Speaker 3 Like seeing a guy throw in person.

Speaker 3 You can see him at his pro day. You've got a lot of tape on him.
I don't think that one night in Indy isn't going to make that much of a difference. One night in Indy.
Where you go with this one?

Speaker 1 Not my favorite jerk off.

Speaker 3 There was another report. I read this to you guys before we went on the air.
Big Dom was interviewed by a reporter.

Speaker 3 I don't know if he wants me to name him, but he is a reputable reporter. Asked Big Dom about our interaction in Vegas when I saw Big Dom out on the town.
Oh, this isn't public?

Speaker 3 It's not public. Oh, he said it to me.
He said you were just screaming his name. He was sweaty and drunk, and I think high, but he was a cool dude.
That's what Big Dom. Nailed it.

Speaker 3 That's Big Dom's recap of the interaction. I got to say, Big Dom should be a reporter because those are facts.

Speaker 1 Also, we have followed up with Big Dom.

Speaker 1 Read that quote again, the end of it. Okay.

Speaker 3 Let's see. He said regarding his interaction with PFT Commenter, he was sweaty and drunk, and I think high, but he was a cool dude.

Speaker 1 Okay, so it turns out that the interview that PFT secured in that moment is not legally binding. Maybe not.
Well, no, I was under the influence. Yeah, unless Big Dom was on mushrooms.

Speaker 3 That's true. I think the only

Speaker 3 mushrooms he was under would come on a cheesesteak.

Speaker 1 He was smart enough to be like, yeah, I'll just say I'll go on and then I'll never have to see this guy again. Probably actually.

Speaker 1 We still will try to get him, but we've made our first attempt and it came back nothing.

Speaker 3 Well, so I saw Big Dom later.

Speaker 7 I heard from Mark Davis.

Speaker 1 Mark Davis definitely, there's...

Speaker 1 Because I got to act quick or else he's going to forget. I hope there's just one person in the Raiders facility who like every day just puts it on his to-do list and he just passes right over it.

Speaker 1 It's like, do that interview with those two weird guys that tried to like stalk you.

Speaker 3 Just put it on the calendar.

Speaker 1 Yeah, put it on the calendar. We'll just show up.
We will show up. We will go.

Speaker 1 That's a promise that we will go in person if Mark Davis agrees to an interview.

Speaker 3 We need what, you think, six hours notice?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 If that. If that.

Speaker 1 Secure

Speaker 3 a boarding place for Blake. Well, we got to get...

Speaker 1 Also, Hank only flies first class now. That's true.
So we'd have to make sure there's first class tickets.

Speaker 3 And we got to stop by Taco Bell to get Max some stuff before he flies.

Speaker 1 But we're there. Six hours.
Yeah. There's plenty of Taco Bell something.

Speaker 3 Max, you want to tell the story that you told me the other day about your Taco Bell adventure?

Speaker 1 Uh-oh.

Speaker 3 It's a very funny story.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 It's a good Max story.

Speaker 9 This week,

Speaker 10 Saturday was my girlfriend and I's two-year anniversary.

Speaker 1 Nice. Congratulations, Max.
Yep.

Speaker 1 One night in Indy? No.

Speaker 1 I had a couple of people.

Speaker 7 I remember last Saturday. I was like, you spent it by watching Villanova.

Speaker 1 That is correct. Oh, it is correct.
Oh, it was Saturday. This is the same night.
Oh, okay. Well, again, we've told the story, but

Speaker 1 your first date with her was when Jay Wright stepped down, so she's expecting that. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 10 So I got home, I FaceTimed her.

Speaker 1 After the Yukon Villanova. After the UConn Villanova.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 Nothing like a nice romantic

Speaker 3 romantic post-Villanova FaceTime loss.

Speaker 1 Beat down.

Speaker 10 I ordered Taco Bell. Ended up.

Speaker 1 For her? No.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 7 I ended up ordering it to her apartment instead of mine.

Speaker 1 So you did.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. So

Speaker 10 while we were FaceTiming, I don't necessarily remember this conversation.

Speaker 10 I had a couple beverages.

Speaker 9 She was like,

Speaker 1 a couple means two. Yep.

Speaker 9 She was like, yeah, you just played it off.

Speaker 10 Like, you got me Taco Bell for our anniversary.

Speaker 7 But she would probably take offense to that because you probably got like 17 Taco Bell.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 10 It was a grilled cheese burrito and a cheesy Gordita Crunch.

Speaker 3 Good order.

Speaker 10 So then the first one gets there. And then 20 minutes later, she gets another knock at her door.

Speaker 1 She tried to order it again.

Speaker 1 I tried to to order it for myself after the second after the first one what's ever

Speaker 10 so she got the same order twice

Speaker 1 that's go for three

Speaker 10 sunday morning i did end up ordering i mean

Speaker 1 the fact that she like i assume she took that like okay because she knows you very well no she like she likes she's she's a keeper she's a keeper that's it that's ride or die to have double taco bell on your anniversary show it's the most romantic gift you could get a woman well to be fair i got her it was because it was on Uber Eats almost almost anything.

Speaker 10 I sent her flowers in the morning, so it was the most recent address on my Uber Eats.

Speaker 1 A true romantic. Yes.

Speaker 3 Did you get her anything to drink?

Speaker 10 No, she was, but yesterday I was talking to her, and she was like, by the way, I threw out one of those grilled cheese burritos.

Speaker 1 Oh, no! Were you hurt? How could you throw out a love

Speaker 1 stated? A love present like that?

Speaker 3 There's no worse feeling in the world than ordering something that you're very excited for and you wait and you wait and then it goes to the wrong place. Yeah.
That's such a bad, bad feeling.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I didn't eat it.

Speaker 11 I didn't eat it at that moment, though. I'm happy I didn't get it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're lighter for it.

Speaker 3 It's good, though.

Speaker 1 I didn't get it that Sunday morning.

Speaker 3 You got all the endorphins of ordering Taco Bell, but you didn't get the calories. Exactly.

Speaker 1 It was perfect.

Speaker 3 That's the idea for a new app. Yeah.
It just sends your least healthy orders to the wrong address on purpose.

Speaker 1 That actually, no, or just you order it, but it just never comes. Yeah, that's like my idea for the for a gambling app where you put in your bet and it just reverses it without telling it.

Speaker 3 You order it, but it goes to a food bank

Speaker 3 by accident. Yeah.
Every time. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Okay, Hank, do you want to give us your number three Patriot? So I watched the first three episodes, and I have to agree with you, Hank, or maybe it was Jerry Thornton's blog. That was very bizarre.

Speaker 9 The yadda yadda.

Speaker 1 They spent all this time on Bill Parcels and Drew Bledsoe, and they're like, and we got addicted to winning, and then we won two more.

Speaker 1 I was like, wait, what?

Speaker 3 Yeah, when Teddy Bruski's like, you know, the first time somebody mentioned the word dynasty to me,

Speaker 3 it was like a narcotic. Yeah.
My eyes got wide. That's the only thing I was focused on.
Then we beat the Panthers and then we won another Super Bowl against the Eagles.

Speaker 3 And that was all that you had from that.

Speaker 1 It also would have been nice. There's so much lore.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It also would have been nice if they had gotten maybe a little more into the game plan of the Super Bowl that they beat the Rams. Because that was a pretty crazy upset.

Speaker 1 Mike Mart's looking fat. Yeah,

Speaker 3 makes me happy. He's a bit older.
And

Speaker 7 it's slanted because even in that, they brought Mike Martz on just to be like, well, they were being cheap. Like they were doing the little

Speaker 7 hold them and foul them. They're not going to call it.
But it is.

Speaker 1 But you have to know that this whole entire documentary is so that Bob Croft can get into the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 7 How would he not get in the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 1 Well, he's not yet. I don't think they just let owners in very often.
I mean, Jerry Jones had to wait a while. Like, he wants to get in the Hall of Fame before he passes.
He has six Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 I understand, but Jerry Jones didn't get in the Hall of Fame until what, two years ago?

Speaker 3 To me, this tells me that Robert Kraft has acknowledged the fact that the Patriots will not make another Super Bowl in the next five years, and his only way to chase that glory is to have this documentary made get to the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 The behind-the-scenes stuff is cool. Seeing young Brady is crazy.

Speaker 1 Just think of him as like

Speaker 1 his roommate, like the stories when he was just like he was a psycho yeah also the the best moment in the first three episodes is when he told brady told the story about after winning the super bowl and belichek got in the car and was like you had a pretty good year yeah

Speaker 3 yeah that was his way that was saying congrats also what a psycho brady was to live with as like a rookie when he was playing techmo tecmo bowl and he would just unplug the entire system if he was losing yeah genuine psychopath that loves winning also he's got a lot more hair now that's interesting I thought.

Speaker 1 He's better looking. Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, Hank, with that said, number three.

Speaker 7 Number three,

Speaker 7 you just mentioned him a couple times.

Speaker 7 Heart and soul of the defense. Although there was

Speaker 7 so many good defensive players on the back of that.

Speaker 3 You've got Jules at number four,

Speaker 3 and then your defensive player is going to be

Speaker 3 Italian.

Speaker 1 Inspirational. Is he Italian?

Speaker 3 I think so. Oh.

Speaker 7 Comeback Player of the Year, 2005. I remember thinking he was never going to play again when he had his medical issues and he came back one player, comeback player of the year.

Speaker 7 Legend, Teddy Bruski.

Speaker 1 Teddy Bruski.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. He's Italian.
I don't know why. Real perverted.
Yeah. Bedonia, Italy.

Speaker 3 Wait, he's from Italy?

Speaker 1 No, his paternal grandparents.

Speaker 1 Oh, his mother is of Filipino ancestry.

Speaker 3 Oh, interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, old-time name.

Speaker 7 I have a lot of people getting mad at me for this list already, and I would just like to say I don't care. This is my list.

Speaker 1 Sounds like you might care a little if you have to address this.

Speaker 3 A lot of people that are getting mad at you, your friends that you debated with.

Speaker 1 Are the people getting mad at you? Yeah, are they in this room with you right now?

Speaker 7 No, no, it's just people online being like,

Speaker 3 this person's not on it.

Speaker 1 This was like, well, tune in. You'll find it.

Speaker 7 The list is subjective, and it's my favorite Patriots.

Speaker 3 It is awesome that a Patriots player was named Brewski. Just like you get all the fans chanting that.
Bro, yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 7 they do it all the time, but I just remember when they beat the Dolphins in the snow and he got a pick six and they started throwing the snow.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All-time vibes.
What about Honorable Mention?

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 You don't have

Speaker 7 Kevin Falk.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 You remember when Kevin Falk beat up that kid at LSU?

Speaker 1 That was awesome. Yeah.
Kevin Falkland. Yeah, another, like, the Cam Newton thing.
Another, hey, maybe don't try to fight professional athletes.

Speaker 3 I would say, actually, Kevin Falk and Cam Newton are very, very high up on the list of any professional athlete that you don't want to fuck with.

Speaker 1 Really, really bad idea.

Speaker 7 Legend. On the team forever.
Mr. Consistent.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 Okay, anything else before we do Hot Sea Cool Throne?

Speaker 3 Any more white guys you want to shout out?

Speaker 1 Kevin Falk, not white. Kyle Long.

Speaker 3 Shout out Kyle Long.

Speaker 1 Just because?

Speaker 7 He replied in a weird tweet when they posted the Chris Long quote.

Speaker 1 What did he say?

Speaker 7 It was just like a gif. I didn't understand it.
But shout out to him.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Well, she was a patriot.
Made you think. Yeah.
yeah he could have you thinking could have been a patriot um okay let's do hot seat cool throw and then we got double interviews for the people

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Speaker 7 brooks's teammate on smash uh Taylor Gooch was interviewed because he does not have any exemptions to majors because he hasn't won one, so he is and he didn't get an invite to the masters.

Speaker 7 So he was interviewed about it, and he said, there's going to be an asterisk. It's just a reality.
Oh.

Speaker 1 That Taylor Gooch wasn't. Taylor Gooch always remembered as the Masters that didn't have Taylor Gooch.

Speaker 3 The Goochless Masters. Okay.

Speaker 7 So that's.

Speaker 3 Is he the only good player that you would think of that's not going to be in it?

Speaker 7 There's a couple, but I mean, a lot of, I think there's like 12 or 13 live guys. They had Joaquin Neiman got invited because the Masters can invite whoever they want.

Speaker 1 You just dropping names. Joaquin.

Speaker 7 Real dimplehead.

Speaker 7 The masters can invite whoever they want.

Speaker 1 They could invite you.

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 7 I could play the masters.

Speaker 1 They should invite you.

Speaker 7 So that's where he kind of even has less of a hill to stand on.

Speaker 7 Less of a hill to stand on.

Speaker 1 I like that. Isn't that

Speaker 1 high ground? Yeah. Hill to die on.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah. Soapbox to stand on.
Less of a point to stand on.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I guess

Speaker 1 you can stand on. That works.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm not a world-renowned smart person. You can wait till the Jay Billis interview where he tries to just cut me up with words.
I hate that. Yeah.
I hate words. I felt like you.

Speaker 3 Is Charlie invited? No. He shouldn't.
Well, then Asterix. I agree with Taylor Gooch.

Speaker 1 John Daly?

Speaker 7 I don't think so. I think

Speaker 7 his exemptions, but he had

Speaker 7 he's not, you know, whatever it is, top 100, top 50, and he definitely hasn't won a major in a recent enough time.

Speaker 1 Asterix.

Speaker 3 Sure. Yeah.
Taylor Gooch. If Taylor Gooch was there, he would.

Speaker 3 Augusta is a par 67.

Speaker 7 It's just tough when people, then they post his records and majors and it's like. Didn't show.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 But it is kind of like, that's the dream is to just like have that big of an excuse built in for why you're not there. It's like they're afraid of me.

Speaker 7 It would rock. But also 13 live players.

Speaker 1 It would rock if Max won the Masters this year. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I don't think he won the match.

Speaker 3 He didn't. Oh.

Speaker 1 He didn't win the match.

Speaker 7 Who did he play against?

Speaker 1 Rory.

Speaker 12 Rory, Lexi Thompson, and Roseang.

Speaker 12 However, Max got closest to the pin on one of the par threes, which means $100,000 to charity.

Speaker 3 Good job, Max. Good guy, Max.

Speaker 1 We should get credit for that as well. Yeah.
Just that $100,000 is coming from Max and us.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 We have donated $100,000 to charity. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Cool throne.

Speaker 3 Cinema.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 7 Cinema's back.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 7 An American saga. Kevin Costner apparently funded this movie himself.
He couldn't

Speaker 7 get backing for it, so he took the money, made the movie himself. I saw reports months ago or almost longer ago that he was putting it out.
It's going to be four movies, which seems excessive.

Speaker 1 That's homework.

Speaker 7 They put the trailer out.

Speaker 3 Are they coming out all at once? Are they coming out like year by year?

Speaker 7 I think it's the end of June, end of August. Oh,

Speaker 1 I'm kind of into that.

Speaker 3 So we can binge it, kind of.

Speaker 8 It looks so good.

Speaker 7 I watched the trailer, an American saga, Kevin Costner.

Speaker 3 Horizon, maybe? I just watched the trailer. Hank had me look it up.

Speaker 3 It follows the theme of Kevin Costner's

Speaker 7 Horizon American Soccer.

Speaker 3 Where Kevin Costner has just turned his entire life into making movies where he gets to ride horses. And so he's just lived in Wyoming, Utah,

Speaker 3 Montana, and he just only does films that are based in those locations.

Speaker 7 But Yellowstone. Which is the dream.
Yellowstone's got a little bit of the drama and kind of like the. This looks like just a straight, straight Western.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm in.

Speaker 3 I like a good Western.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, I've watched the show like six times. Looks amazing.
Whoa. Cinema's back.
And apparently Dune 2 is good, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 I know. But for people at home, what is Dune?

Speaker 7 It is a science fiction movie.

Speaker 1 What's it about?

Speaker 3 It's a sequel of a remake.

Speaker 1 Was it a video game?

Speaker 3 I think they did make a video game at some point about it.

Speaker 1 That's one of those ones that I just have missed every single piece of it. So when I see Dune 2, I'm like, they're still doing it?

Speaker 3 I always thought that they're saying Doom 2, which I'm all in for.

Speaker 1 Doom was a video game.

Speaker 3 Doom was a great video game.

Speaker 3 yeah all right that's where the confusion is uh-huh doom the bfg 9000 okay that makes sense dune is back again i'll see it soon how many are there this is the second one i think the last one oh okay good am i gonna be lost if i watch dune 2 and have not seen dune the original or dune the new one you should watch the new one i think

Speaker 7 i'm sure everyone already remembers this but

Speaker 7 Dune was the reason I blew my back out originally.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's right. Yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 3 to move. I don't see.
This is the one. Oh, yeah.
This is a movie with Baby Yoda, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Groku. Yeah.
But somebody,

Speaker 1 Roku. Roku with the baby Yoda.

Speaker 1 Will I be lost if I never watch any of the Dunes?

Speaker 7 No, I think it'll be fine. Okay.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to. You haven't even seen Star Wars.
Correct. So.
I think there's lots of walking in Dune.

Speaker 1 Oh, what?

Speaker 1 I'll just watch Frank Walks. By the way, watch Frank Walks today.

Speaker 1 Very special guest.

Speaker 1 Very special guest, Frank Walks. You guys? No.

Speaker 1 Better. Bleep it out.

Speaker 1 Ah,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's going to be an awesome walk. Next up,

Speaker 1 well, bleep that out too. Because that will give away the first one.

Speaker 1 Okay, good job. Hot seat, cool throw.
Thanks. Good job, Hank.
Thanks.

Speaker 3 My hot seat is Wendy's customers.

Speaker 3 Wendy's fast food customers. This is crazy.
Wendy's is toying with the idea of surge pricing on their menu. Actually, they're not toying with it.

Speaker 3 They are going to implement surge pricing in an experiment to see if they can get away with charging people more money during heavy usage hours. So in other words,

Speaker 1 I kind of like this.

Speaker 3 Lunch and dinner.

Speaker 3 Why would you like this?

Speaker 1 Okay, I have a question because

Speaker 1 will it work both ways or can it only go up?

Speaker 3 So if it goes down at weird times, that's cool. That's so it should it should just be their normal menu prices and then they dip in rough times.

Speaker 3 But no, they're going to raise the prices during heavy usage.

Speaker 1 In Madison, State Street Brats used to do stock market night, where

Speaker 1 if everyone's buying a Coors Light, the price goes up for a Coors Light. If no one's buying a Rumpel Mintz, the price goes down.
It was awesome. You just watch the big board and you're like, oh, shit.

Speaker 1 Rumple Mints shots are 50 cents right now. Go up and buy it, and then it goes back up.
If that's what they're doing, I'm in because then you can get some great deals.

Speaker 3 I think it's just about how many

Speaker 3 people are going to be there. Yeah, then that's bullshit.
They're not going to drop it down. This stinks.

Speaker 3 They're just going going to charge more money. And I don't think they're going to be like, oh,

Speaker 3 the bacon ater is reduced in price at this time. The spicy chicken sandwich.

Speaker 1 But you agree that would rule.

Speaker 3 I think it'd be cool if they just kept the prices and dropped them at like three o'clock in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 But just keep them, keep them just like at the dinner time, rush hour, like the prices go up.

Speaker 1 But if you want, if you're like max and you're thinking about getting a lovely present for your girlfriend and it's 2 a.m.

Speaker 1 and Villanova just got the shit kicked out of him by UConn, boom, a bacon ater is $1.25.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm just not on board with this because it feels like this is slippery slope. Yeah.
If Wendy's is the one, correct me if I'm wrong, but Wendy's hasn't been killing it recently, right?

Speaker 1 Have you ever seen Wendy?

Speaker 3 The person? Yeah.

Speaker 9 Like the ginger? Yeah.

Speaker 1 The logo?

Speaker 1 Who is the logo? Who is like the derivative, like the, because it's Dave Thomas's granddaughter?

Speaker 3 Yeah. Are you talking about the actual Wendy? Yeah.
Yeah, I have seen her. Very handsome.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Very handsome young lady. She is.

Speaker 3 Tough.

Speaker 1 Good thing they did the cartoon.

Speaker 3 My Cool Throne.

Speaker 1 Bonkless. No, that's not.
No, no. That's anti-bonk.

Speaker 1 Hank. That's a mistake.
It's a fucking child, and she was

Speaker 1 tough to look at.

Speaker 3 She'd be a great rugby player.

Speaker 1 I think she grew up to be fine looking, but yeah.

Speaker 1 They did the cartoon well.

Speaker 3 He's like, my daughter loves hamburgers so much, I'm going to put her as the logo for the hamburger place.

Speaker 1 She's like a softball catcher.

Speaker 1 A lot lot of power. Real life Wendy.

Speaker 1 Well, no, I'm not, I'm talking about, yeah, yeah, there you go. That's not the bonk list, Hank.
Please take me off right now.

Speaker 12 I think they screwed up the Pantone.

Speaker 1 I think they did. They took some liberties.
Yeah, they took a lot of liberties.

Speaker 3 My cool throne is Uganda. Yes.
Because Last Chance Uganda, the football portion, is premiering tonight, Wednesday at 8 p.m. Eastern.
You can find it on the Wanton Don's YouTube page.

Speaker 3 This is Billy and Donnie coaching the Uganda national football team.

Speaker 1 Sponsored by Pardon My Cheesesteak.

Speaker 3 Sponsored by Pard of My Cheese Steak in their upcoming bout at the time against Kenya. Who knows what happened? I think we all forgot by this time.
But they have a game against Kenya.

Speaker 3 So this is Billy and Donnie meeting the team, meeting the administrators of the Uganda Football Federation and installing whatever semblance of offense they tried to install. I'm excited.

Speaker 7 I saw Donnie tweet. Because we had the combine yesterday and Billy was doing Billy things across the board.
Yeah, it was a banner day for Billy.

Speaker 7 And he replied to one of the clips and said, seems like Billy's turned himself into the villain of the Barcelon Combine.

Speaker 7 However, I'm trying to make him the hero of Last Chance Uganda, and this is not helping.

Speaker 1 The Billy tweets, so the combine was yesterday. If you didn't watch, we have it all.
You can watch it anywhere on the Barcelon Sports main channels. I'm very sorry for him.

Speaker 1 Billy tweeted afterwards, or today, realizing working yourself up into a stimulant-driven manic state in order to shave milliseconds off a 35-yard dash and get extra reps of 135 pounds on the bench press was really not worth it because you come off as an absolute asshole to everyone around you and you become a person you kind of really don't want to be.

Speaker 1 There was no punctuation in that. So I did read that correctly.

Speaker 1 And then I just saw one person reply, what about paintball?

Speaker 1 Good point.

Speaker 3 No, Billy's excuse list so far has included the fact that he took too many stimulants beforehand, which I will defend Billy on.

Speaker 3 He did absolutely take way too many stimulants before and during the combine.

Speaker 3 The other excuse that was my favorite, maybe my favorite Billy excuse of all time, and God knows we've heard a lot of them. After the bench press, how many did Billy put up?

Speaker 3 Like 40, which is a pretty impressive 40 on them.

Speaker 1 He said he was going to do 50 or he died.

Speaker 3 50 or die. He said, if I don't get 50, shoot me.

Speaker 3 So he did 40, and then after he got done, he was so mad. His excuse was...

Speaker 3 It was too light. Too light.

Speaker 1 It was too light.

Speaker 3 If the weight had been heavier, he would have been able to demonstrate his strength more because other people would not have been able to lift as much. Correct.

Speaker 3 And so then he would have gotten more reps than Will Compton.

Speaker 1 And he also, in the vertical, when you have to test your vertical and you get it set to a certain height by raising your arm over your head, he said he couldn't raise his arm all the way because of his shoulder and then

Speaker 1 continued to do the vertical and raise his arm as high as he possibly could. And then before the QB portion was like doing windmills with his shoulder.

Speaker 3 Well, we saw the impact that the shoulder had on his throwing accuracy. That's true.
Which is true.

Speaker 3 Yeah, my second favorite Billy clip from the Combine yesterday was when he was attempting to do the vertical and he was mad for, I don't know, because we tried to tell him you have to lift your hands straight your arm, which everyone did.

Speaker 3 And so then he jumped up in the air and he knocked the entire device over, the measuring device, and then it hit the ground, and then he blamed Francis for not catching it. Yeah.
That it was a

Speaker 1 banner day.

Speaker 3 It was a tremendous day for Billy football content.

Speaker 3 But I do think that Last Chance Uganda is going to be awesome.

Speaker 3 It's a great storyline that they have going over there, teaching Uganda football players how to play football and all the stuff behind the scenes and anything Donnie does, auto-click for for me.

Speaker 7 Yep. My favorite graphic we've ever made.
Yep.

Speaker 7 I will post it again today.

Speaker 8 It's very, very good. It's just so funny.

Speaker 3 I'm excited. And the fact that we've got cheesesteaks to Africa.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's why we started the cheesesteak business.

Speaker 3 We should have just taken all the footage and then done our own interviews like we're Bob Kraft to make us look good. Oh, that's what we should have done.
Yeah, we should have.

Speaker 3 But yeah, very excited to watch Last Chance Uganda.

Speaker 1 All right, my hot seat is ice cream, but not really ice cream. It's Clay Travis.
So Joe Biden likes ice cream, and this is not to get political because is that a code name like pizza? No, it's not.

Speaker 1 I guess he was eating ice cream while talking about the Middle East, which, yeah, probably not like the appropriate time, but whatever, he's eating ice cream.

Speaker 1 Uh, I like this because Clay has obviously he's very heavy into politics, and whenever someone who's heavy into politics, they can make one little mistake where they're like show that they're so out of touch with regular America.

Speaker 3 They get high on their own supply sometimes, right?

Speaker 1 It's, you know, what was it? Uh, whenever someone, was it Ted Cruz at the basketball goal? Yeah. Something like that.
Basketball ring, maybe? Ring, yeah.

Speaker 1 So Clay tweeted, Joe Biden eating ice cream while answering reporter questions about serious issues isn't charming. It's super weird.
Do you know grown men who go get ice cream by themselves? I don't.

Speaker 1 It's very strange.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I do. All the time.
I do quite a bit.

Speaker 1 Literally all the time. I get ice cream.
I'm going to do that as a protest tonight. I'm going to get ice cream by myself.

Speaker 3 I get it twice a week. When I'm on vacation, I get it every day.
That's my rule.

Speaker 1 Ice cream by yourself, they got ice cream stores. Yeah, if I see an ice cream store, just pop it.
Pipe guys. Dude, I used to go when we lived in New York and I was in Dumbo in Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 There was like probably four ice cream trucks that would just sit on various corners. And I'd be like, oh, I got to go take Stella out.
Go get a fucking cone by myself.

Speaker 3 Yeah, ice cream rocks. There is a place called the ice cream store, too.
Yeah. I hit that up quite a bit.
But this is like... I thought it was going to be...

Speaker 1 Stay out of the ice cream takes, okay?

Speaker 1 Because grown men do like to eat ice cream by themselves it was it one of those things where it's like a cone so it's phallic it's like why are you as a man sucking down a cone of ice cream i love ice cream cones he also wasn't by himself he was with a bunch of people because i don't think joe biden can go anywhere by himself well he might wander off legally he's not allowed to and then clay travis had to had to uh basically everyone was like dude what's wrong with ice cream why are you going after ice cream and he on his radio show later or today

Speaker 1 said started the sentence i'm not claiming that i'm anti-ice cream that's it dude if you have to say that you're anti-ice cream.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, if you said that, you're on the losing side of an argument.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you have to start a political radio show with, I'm not claiming to be anti-ice cream, you're anti-ice cream.

Speaker 3 So it was his gripe that he was eating ice cream at the wrong time?

Speaker 3 Because if so, I can't imagine a president talking about some sort of Middle East foreign policy while doing a leisurely activity and then ending it with something like, now watch this drive. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, the fact of the matter is when you're president, you just get asked questions. And you just do it.

Speaker 1 You do regular things.

Speaker 3 I'm sure that there have been some presidents, LBJ, probably, that have done press conferences or phone calls while taking a shit. Yeah.
Like, you're just, you're always on the phone.

Speaker 1 Oh, LBJ was a notorious shit guy.

Speaker 3 Big, big shit guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it's, it's not, I don't, again,

Speaker 1 not getting into politics. I don't know even, I didn't even play the clip to see what

Speaker 1 President Biden was talking about. I am just focusing solely on the, do you know grown men who get ice cream by themselves? I don't.
It's very strange. No, you're strange.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that is strange.

Speaker 1 You're strange.

Speaker 3 William Howard Taft used to eat ice cream during every single State of the Union address.

Speaker 1 Was he the guy who got stuck in the tub?

Speaker 7 He is, yeah.

Speaker 3 Because it was filled with ice cream.

Speaker 7 How about that?

Speaker 1 How about being a president of the United States and everyone just remembers you as stuck in the tub guy?

Speaker 3 I'd much rather be known as the guy that died in like 28 days.

Speaker 1 Yeah, or the guy who got

Speaker 1 his brains blown out in Dallas. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Easily.

Speaker 8 Imagine if that was a good idea.

Speaker 1 That was like Hank's Ravel would tweet out

Speaker 3 a clip of that. He would own a piece of the tub.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dude, getting stuck in a, but like, think about how well known that story has to be that it survived what how long ago was he present like 100 years ago you know what yeah it's stuck in a tub it's survived so much that how'd they get him out of it and then you're gonna think it might not be true your little penis is there because you got you know tub water and he's oh man someone's got to come just

Speaker 1 Suck you out of the tub.

Speaker 3 All right, so I'm looking this up right now because it seems like a story that's been talked about so much that it might be fake.

Speaker 1 No, don't do that. If it is fake, if you find out it's fake, do not tell me it's fake.

Speaker 3 I'll just say that if it if it happens to be fake, whoever started that rumor, great job. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like, if that's your rival and you get elected president and then you're like, how do I ruin this guy's legacy? You crack the cone. He's stuck in Tub Guy.
You figure out how to do it.

Speaker 3 I thought you were going to say with Joe Biden that he was like eating an ice cream cone in a weird way because when it's primary season, the like aids for every single person that is running for president, they've got like two rules, which are like, don't eat a corn dog.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Don't eat ice cream because people just Photoshop penises on you.

Speaker 3 Stay away from state fairs i know hunter seems to really like the uh the funnel cake powder quite a bit but stay out of state fairs if you're no he wasn't eating it weird um you know there i

Speaker 1 joe biden does have like every time he eats an ice cream cone i i feel like right before he starts eating it he's got to decide he's got to remind himself like is this a child's hair i'm going to sniff or an ice cream cone but other than that it was normal yeah it's also funny that clay wakes up every morning and he just sees what joe biden's doing he's like okay i know what i'm gonna talk about yeah he ate ice cream it's like skip bayless Bayless with LeBron, right?

Speaker 1 This guy's eating ice cream. I can't believe it.
By himself?

Speaker 1 Ice cream rocks. No one should be shamed at any point for eating ice cream ever.
That's a fact. I agree.

Speaker 3 Maybe Joe Biden can't digest solid foods.

Speaker 1 That too. Oh, he had a cone.
I don't know. Did he finish it? We never saw it together.

Speaker 3 Can we finish it? No.

Speaker 1 All right. My cool throne is

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 Knicks and Tom Thibodeau getting the Knicks to the point of they're like the 90s Knicks again. Did you see that clip last night? Dante DiVincenzo just doing a full form tackle.

Speaker 3 It was great. It was like School Flower and the Pro Ball.
Yeah. Yeah, it was fantastic.

Speaker 1 The Knicks are, I mean, it will be fun to see the Knicks in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 I think the Knicks are one of those teams that they should be like, maybe it's just 90s basketball in my head. They should try to just foul people really hard instead of playing good basketball.

Speaker 1 And they do play good basketball.

Speaker 3 Isaiah Thomas, like, I wouldn't go into pain if I were you. Yeah.
That should be their motto for sure. The refs did apologize to Monty Williams after the game.
They said, yeah, we blew that call.

Speaker 3 We screwed it up. Which is, if you're a fan and the refs say, we screwed up this call, sorry, to me, that's almost worse.
Way worse. It's like, I don't want to hear that.

Speaker 3 I want you to double down on being a shithead so I can be mad at you. Just never saw it.
Now I'm like, oh, you're apologizing to me, but that still doesn't affect anything. Right, right.

Speaker 1 I'd agree. All right, Jake, finish us off.
Hot seat, cool torn.

Speaker 12 My hot seat is John Rahm. He is reportedly being ghosted by Tiger Woods as Rahm is trying to reach out to him to explain his live decision.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 what do you mean? Why doesn't he just text Tiger Woods a bunch bunch of like dollar bill signs? Boom, he explained it.

Speaker 12 So he says that Rory's been supportive publicly of my decision, and he was privately as well.

Speaker 12 But he said, I mean, Tiger. I texted him, and the people that try to reach out, you know, the process when I sign it, just let him know, hey, you know, this is a personal decision.

Speaker 12 I have nothing against anybody. But apparently, he has not heard back from Tiger.

Speaker 3 He just texted him some nudes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel like Tiger's a change's phone number a lot, guy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's probably. Tiger's probably like a five or six cell phone guy, if that makes sense.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 That has to be tough, just texting Tiger.

Speaker 1 Why does John Rom care? I mean, I know, I get it, Tiger, but like,

Speaker 1 you did it for the money, like, you shouldn't

Speaker 12 burn the bridges, I guess.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but if you're going to make a decision like that, you can't go into it being like, hope everyone likes it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so if you're John Rahm, how many millions of dollars is Tiger responding to your text messages worth?

Speaker 1 Well, how much did he sign for? $500 million? I heard that's way more.

Speaker 3 I heard it might have been more than that. I don't don't know.

Speaker 1 So I think it's okay.

Speaker 1 If you lost texting privileges with Tiger Woods for $500 million, sign me up.

Speaker 3 Yeah, there's been some lawsuits out there where the exact opposite scenario is.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. All right, and your cool throne?

Speaker 12 My cool throne is Maxion. We're getting more Maxion because the UMass is getting added, which means more games.
Back.

Speaker 1 They're back in it. Yeah.
We were in the Mac, yeah. Sorry, yes.

Speaker 12 But that means more weeknight football, eventually.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think it's everything except for lacrosse, right?

Speaker 1 You're still It's all sports.

Speaker 3 I heard it was men's and women's lacrosse staying behind. But that's good.
Either way, big deal.

Speaker 3 If you've got to pick a conference to go into, the Sun Belt and the Mac are the two ones you want to be in right now.

Speaker 1 Mac is the only conference that doesn't, like, they stay steady. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're not getting picked off left and right. Steady Eddie.

Speaker 12 If you're not a power conference school, why wouldn't you want to be in the Mac with the way they get the standalone spots every year?

Speaker 1 Yeah, if you're not a power conference school, I'd want to be in the Mac or like the Mountain West. Right.

Speaker 3 I saw somebody tweet out the graphic. We talk about it every year, or every time,

Speaker 3 was it UConn plays against UMass? Yeah, where the graphic shows like just come, come CUM, come ass. Now it's Central Michigan.
Oh, nice. When that matchup happens, that's the come ass game.
Nice.

Speaker 3 Okay. Excited about that.

Speaker 1 That is exciting. We get to keep the come ass.

Speaker 3 Mark your calendars. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 7 It's come ass. Come ass.

Speaker 1 It's come ass. Yeah, it's come come ass.
It's not exactly the same because Connecticut's CU, Central Michigan is.

Speaker 3 It's just C. The logo is just C.
Oh, yeah, it is. Yeah, it's Come Ass.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's right. C, just C.
Connecticut's just C. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's fun. That's what we get to keep it.
Okay, let's get to our interviews. We got Biz, great interview with Biz, great interview with Jay Billis.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on one of our best friends, recurring guest. He did cancel on us last week.
We want to know why. It is Paul Bissinette.
Biz, why'd you cancel on us last week?

Speaker 8 I was just so gassed and i just wasn't feeling good you know when you like have been going so hard you're just but your body just needs to sleep for a few days yeah i think i think for three days in a row i was doing 12 hours of sleep i just kind of needed it sometimes i crash and i was actually uh watching a youtube interview who's the guy who was an oppenheimer uh sillian murphy yeah he's saying i just i just need to sleep sometimes and i just kind of crash and i was like you know what that's me wait wait you were out being tired wait hold hold on you needed silly and murphy to tell you that sleep is good

Speaker 8 no but i'm saying that it's just got to a point where like i think i was going too hard and traveling a lot different time zones to where i'm like uh i remember when i got up i'm like i'll be if i go on like i can't my brain can't even function i'd be useless and you guys got yans on and he played with yager yager just had his jersey retirement i feel like the stars align so who gives a shit that's true i know i i didn't take it personal.

Speaker 1 I just was, you know, the AWLs love you. They love you.
So they were like, where's biz? We were promised biz.

Speaker 8 Well, I tell you what, I was a healthy scratch plenty of times in my days, and Yans would always step up as a teammate. And here you go.
He did

Speaker 8 once again. And you guys got some incredible yogurt stories and a fresh new voice on the PMT podcast.
Unless, has he been on the bottom?

Speaker 1 He's been on. Yeah, he's been on.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 8 He's a reoccurring guest now. Yeah.
Well, he deserves it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because he's the man.

Speaker 3 He's a great guy. But so, why were you so gassed? What did you do?

Speaker 1 You worked?

Speaker 8 Just a lot of traveling, a lot of games, a lot of doubleheaders. Like our doubleheaders on TNT sometimes go to like two in the morning, and then you're just, you're, you know, it's just a lot.

Speaker 8 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Fuck.

Speaker 8 I'm human, you know.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you are human. All right.
So I want to talk a little hockey. Also, just wanted to catch up with you because we miss you.

Speaker 1 I love you guys. First question.
I was accused.

Speaker 1 Hank said that on Sunday night's show that the Blackhawks are, or Chicago's a bad sports town because there was some cheering for Patrick Kane's overtime winner.

Speaker 1 In the moment, I wish I had brought up the fact that he was the biggest Bucs fan ever when Tom Brady was on the Bucs. But

Speaker 1 you watched that night. I was there.
It was incredible. What did you think? I mean, like, Patrick Kane's one.

Speaker 1 He's Showtime. He's incredible.

Speaker 8 I think it was one of the best nights in hockey history. Well, at least from like since I've been alive.
you know, Chris Chelios played 27 years pro,

Speaker 8 and just the whole ceremony, him coming out in that classic car with his mom all of the legends and celebrities he brought into that building the energy must have been insane i mean you were like crazy attendance and you know we we you guys often joke will compt and all the football guys joke about how the nfl scripted it almost feels like will invented yeah yeah that's another thing he came up with oh he invented yeah he came up with that supervisor oh he's a smart guy Fucking rights, man.

Speaker 8 Good for he's on a heater lately, especially with the all-black and all-white football team. We We don't need to go into that.
I don't need to get it canceled today.

Speaker 8 But the fact that it ended up being against Detroit, where Patrick Kane has landed, and what he and that core group of guys meant to that city during that dynasty, and for them to be there, and then for Chelly to acknowledge them during his speech, too.

Speaker 8 Like Chellios is all clash and class, excuse me, and you know, he's a guy's guy through and through. I just thought that that ending was just so fitting.

Speaker 8 And for me, from a hockey day in America perspective, too, it being hockey day in America, it just was the perfect storybook ending.

Speaker 8 And he said that Patrick Kane's going to go down when he retires as the best American-born player of all time.

Speaker 8 I still think that there's potential room for Matthews to maybe overtake that throne because I see him on the trajectory he's on having the most goals all time.

Speaker 8 But for now, let's give Patrick Kane his flowers.

Speaker 8 And I don't give a fuck if, you know, if you're rooting for the Red Wings, what he did for the city of Chicago, he deserves for you to give him a tire pump after burying you guys.

Speaker 8 And all she's doing is giving you guys another first overall pick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the thing. If the Blackhawks were in like a race for the playoffs, it would be different, but they're the worst team in the NHL.
And yeah, it was a special night. Like

Speaker 1 the Kane double ovation, like he had to come back out on the ice because no one would sit down. I got a little misty-eyed because he's just, it's just that tight.
I was explaining on Sunday.

Speaker 1 Like when you have a guy who who always comes through in the clutch, there's just something special about it that you'll just always root for him.

Speaker 8 I'm obviously not a Blackhawks fan

Speaker 8 and wasn't a Patrick Kane fan when I was playing from a sense of like the competition perspective, but the respect was there.

Speaker 8 But the amount of times in key moments that he was able to step up and score, but not only just score, but then like go down the ice, get on his knees, make the heart, and then punch a fucking hole through it, the heartbreaker celebration.

Speaker 8 and even the one the other night, like being like, Showtime, baby, showtime, and how he's able to move his hands really fast, like, kind of doing like the, you know, how he does with his hands.

Speaker 8 He's like, come on, baby, come on. Yeah, he's just, he's a, he's a legend through and through.
And it was such a cool moment. And he is, uh, he's all time, man.

Speaker 8 He's a, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3 It was cool seeing all the players that were out there, all the stars that came out for it.

Speaker 3 Uh, a little birdie told me that your good friend, your dear friend Wayne Gretzky, he had a hell of a time there. Um, I heard he may have been kicked out of the box.

Speaker 1 Have you heard anything about that?

Speaker 8 No.

Speaker 8 What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 I heard Wayne was asked to leave because he wouldn't stop smoking cigars.

Speaker 1 This was not for me, by the way. Not for me.
Not from Big Cat, but I heard. Yeah, this is not for me.

Speaker 3 I heard they asked him to leave and that Wayne Gretzky left and he was like, well, I guess I'm just going to hit the bar now.

Speaker 3 Like, can you, no, are you allowed to kick Wayne Gretzky out of a box at a hockey game?

Speaker 8 There's not a chance that happened.

Speaker 1 That's a

Speaker 1 rumor. There's not a chance.
That's rumor boys. There's not a chance.

Speaker 3 I like you fitting into your role as Wayne's enforcer. Yeah.
His goon. Be like, nope, didn't happen.

Speaker 8 Yeah, him and DJ Collins now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I know it didn't happen because I saw Wayne again.
They had like a post-party at the United Center in the atrium area, and he was there. So he definitely didn't get kicked out.
Not at the area.

Speaker 1 He was having a good time.

Speaker 3 Not out of the arena, but apparently he got kicked out of the suite.

Speaker 1 He was having a very good time.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 8 PFT, speaking of Wayne, though, when Chellio said the greatest American-born player of all time, you know, the first person to start that a standing ovation was?

Speaker 8 Wayne was the first guy to get out of his seat. So that's when you know there's truth behind it.
So Patrick Kane, officially the greatest American-born player in hockey history as of right now.

Speaker 3 With Cheleos, I remember

Speaker 3 I was in Austin, Texas at the time, and the

Speaker 3 Texas Stars were playing against the Chicago Wolves, the minor league team. And Chelios was like 47 years old, 48 years old, playing for a minor league hockey team, came out there, scored a goal.

Speaker 3 Why did he keep playing so long? Is it because he just loved hockey that much?

Speaker 8 Well, that he kept an incredible shape.

Speaker 8 So Cheleos, I don't know if Jans is talking about him in length, but just a guy who could go out and drink 24 pops, but then yet he'd be at the rink the next day at 5 a.m.

Speaker 8 riding the bike in the sauna.

Speaker 8 His ability to stay in shape and be such a freak for as long as he played, that's why he was able to have that longevity. Now, from what I understand,

Speaker 8 I want to say his son, I think his name's Jake. I played against him when he was playing for the Carolina Hurricanes farm team in Charlotte.
I actually fought him.

Speaker 8 He wanted, Chris wanted to keep playing long enough to the possibility that he was able to play in the NHL either with or against his son.

Speaker 8 That's my understanding of why he ended up playing so long and kind of dragging along.

Speaker 8 But in his last year, he was playing in the minors and then was also called up because Atlanta Thrashers, Chicago Wolves was the farm team.

Speaker 8 He got called up to Atlanta to basically be Zach Bogossian's,

Speaker 8 like take him under his wing. And that was their first rounder that year.
I want to say he went fifth overall. And then that was kind of the end of it all.
But to play 27 years,

Speaker 8 especially in the eras that he played, three Norris trophies he won. It was just a hell of a career.

Speaker 8 I don't know how he played that long because at 32 years old, both my ACLs just exploded in my last season of playing. Yeah.
And I want to say he retired at the age of like 47, longer than Tom Brady.

Speaker 8 So just a remarkable, remarkable longevity. And he was butt-chugging from the fountain of youth his whole career.

Speaker 1 It was pretty crazy how long he played.

Speaker 1 So, Biz, back to Wayne Gretzky real quick. So, I was able to get a picture of my son with Wayne Gretzky, which

Speaker 1 was bigger for me than my son's four names. Did he know who you were?

Speaker 1 He was having fun. I was lucky because his son is a barstool fan.
So his son came up and was like, big cat, what's up? That saved me like perfect timing.

Speaker 8 Oh, nice.

Speaker 1 It was just like, thank God he's here. So that Wayne doesn't think I'm just some fucking weirdo stock.
Pigeon. Yeah, right.
So that was huge. But

Speaker 1 so I walk out of the arena with my son. I'm like, you just got a picture with the greatest hockey player of all time.

Speaker 1 And my son's like, well, how is he the greatest? I was like, well, he scored the most goals. And then my son son asked me, how many goals did you score? I was thinking about it.

Speaker 1 You scored seven goals in the NHL. Can I get a couple? Can I just take a couple and just tell my son that I scored a couple?

Speaker 8 I think that the Chicago Blackhawks should shine you, put you on Bedard's line just for the viral content to revive the fan base and get ticket sales up. Yeah.

Speaker 8 And I think that if they put you net front on a power play for even a full season, I bet you he'd put 15 off your ass in the net. Yeah.
Especially for how wide yours is.

Speaker 8 You basically have a full backboard if you stand on the far side of the net, which, I mean, Zach Hyman gets 40 playing with McDavid. I'm pretty sure you can get 20 playing with Connor Bedard.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just need one or two because that was a tough question when my son was like, How many goals did you score in the NHL? And I was just like, ah, well,

Speaker 1 this is not going to be. And then I tried to change the subject.
But yeah, maybe I'll do that.

Speaker 1 I did see Hosa, too, and he didn't think it was very funny, but I was like, hey, big cat, like, we've met a bunch of times. And I was like, yeah, we won a couple cups together, 13 and 15.

Speaker 1 And he was just like, What?

Speaker 1 That didn't go.

Speaker 8 No, he was probably thinking in his head, like,

Speaker 8 maybe this guy was like a black ace that got a couple games or something and got his name on a cup.

Speaker 1 He's like, oh, it's been that long.

Speaker 8 I mean, Rafi Torres did hit him pretty hard, so maybe he forgot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. Uh, so, Biz, what you, you are doing a great job on TV.
We love seeing you on TV. Uh, oh, thank you.
It's it's like the perfect role for you.

Speaker 1 You get to watch, you watch probably more hockey than anyone in the country right now. What's the big story getting close to the playoffs?

Speaker 1 What's the number one thing you're thinking about when you're watching every night and like storyline that everyone can be attached to?

Speaker 8 Well, I mean, like, just going back to what we recorded today, obviously, Chelyos's jersey retirement was number one, just to give him his flowers.

Speaker 8 I would probably say the hottest topic was this Matt Rempe kid who's

Speaker 8 with the Rangers. He's a 6'7 mutant, like, young, young guy on his entry-level contract.
And he's came in. His first game was at the outdoor games at the MetLife.

Speaker 8 And his first shift of the game, he ended up fighting Matt Martin. So that was pretty cool in front of 80,000 people.

Speaker 8 And in the NHL, what they do with the rookie lap, your first game, is the guys kind of holed up at the door. So you just kind of start warm-up where you do a couple of loser laps by yourself.

Speaker 8 So getting to do that in front of 80,000 people, pretty cool. I ended up meeting

Speaker 8 his mom and two sisters, and they were just so amped up for his first game and then matt martin for the islanders was kind enough to drop him with him but then since then he's fought like two more times he's been trucking guys and he's just kind of been this uh almost like a jeremy lynn type situation where he's like a household name around at least new york city right now after only playing a handful of games that was probably the one one story and uh i mean the rangers in general man they've i think they've won what 11 games in a row they're just on an absolute heater right now uh shasturkins back to playing So anytime the Rangers are in the mix, that's usually a big story.

Speaker 8 And I would probably say they take the cake. Florida being the wagon that they are, they're probably the probably the number one favorite in the East is a big story.

Speaker 8 I would say that even Detroit being back in the mix, Motown, the Eiser plan, Steve Iserman took over as GM, what, probably four years ago now, and he had an uphill battle to make them relevant again.

Speaker 8 And now they're probably looking at a playoff spot. So the thing about the NHL, it's like there's so much parity, and it's such a good league.

Speaker 8 And I would say, probably the most competitive regular season. It's not like one team is a headline hog, it just gets snapped around to where there's just so many amazing stories.

Speaker 8 The Western Conference, probably the strongest it's been in a while. Where I think that there's probably six teams that could realistically come out of the Western Conference.

Speaker 8 Rick Tockett, who was my coworker at TNT, he took over as head coach last year. It was

Speaker 8 probably like not issues in the locker room, but definitely

Speaker 8 chemistry problems. And he was able to go in there and fix all that.
And now they're the top team in the league going into the last 20 games of the season. So they're for sure going to make playoffs.

Speaker 8 That to me was one of the biggest stories. And where a guy who wasn't even a coach halfway through the year last year is probably the front runner to win the Jack Adams this year.

Speaker 8 But outside of that, man, I mean, I can keep rifling off stuff, but the NHL is thriving.

Speaker 8 And overall, the growth of the league and where it's at, I just think it's a, if you're not a hardcore hockey fan and you're kind of sick of maybe the sport that you're following, jump on the hockey bandwagon, man, because it's an amazing league.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 Yeah. You were talking earlier about fighting a guy and then meeting up with him later and being boys.

Speaker 3 What percentage of like the fights you've gotten in, do you end up being friends with a person like immediately afterwards versus like the ones where there's actual bad blood where you're like, I don't like that dude?

Speaker 8 So I never really had any rivalries where I hated guys that much.

Speaker 8 You'd always usually give the pat on the ass after.

Speaker 8 And I mean, you wouldn't be playing tummy sticks per se where you're like, hey, man, how the wife and kids like yelling over on the other side of the box.

Speaker 8 But now when I see guys that I fought, yeah, we just laugh and chuckle about it. And we did it to survive.
We did it so we could earn a paycheck.

Speaker 8 And, you know, for me, it wasn't that deep-rooted unless a guy like took a cheap shot at a teammate. And maybe that's why I would have bad blood.

Speaker 8 But ultimately, there was no scumbags that I truly hated and still carry any type of grudge against.

Speaker 1 I like to hear that. The Biz, this is actually the first time we've had you on in a while.
So you were a breaking news guy a few months ago.

Speaker 1 How's that gone since you broke that entire? Was it with Babcock in Columbus?

Speaker 1 Is the National Hockey League media giving you a little more respect that you deserve because you were dead on with that entire story?

Speaker 8 I mean, I don't really give a fuck about that stuff.

Speaker 1 Like the respect and that

Speaker 8 journalistic integrity.

Speaker 8 I tell rumors about trades coming up all the time.

Speaker 8 I'm like a casual fan when it comes to that stuff. It was a pretty wild time.

Speaker 8 Because obviously they were denying it right away. And I don't know how many people listening know the backstory.

Speaker 8 Long story short is Mike Babcock was a coach in the National Hockey League, a successful one.

Speaker 8 You know, he coached the Detroit Red Wings for a while, won a Stanley Cup there. With the roster they had, probably should have won more.
But he had a history of maybe abusing his power too much.

Speaker 8 Now, there's this.

Speaker 8 There's this maybe mindset of some people listening being like, oh, well,

Speaker 8 today guys are too soft.

Speaker 8 And it's like this cushy society now where, no, man, i think that establishing accountability and and being hard on players if they're making mistakes over and over and you know sitting them out and bag skating them yeah that's all normal stuff that i had to go through but there was like the the the verbal barrages that he would give uh um uh franzen who was a player for the Detroit Red Wings, where it caused them like mental issues, where even since he's been retired, he spoke out on it and he said it destroyed his confidence in his career and he fucking hates Babcock.

Speaker 8 At the time he was in Detroit, probably at the time of era where it could be gotten away with.

Speaker 8 And given that Babcock had a good reputation from a coaching standpoint, coach Team Canada won gold there. It wasn't something that was going to get him fired.

Speaker 8 Move on to Toronto where he ended up getting the next job where he was the highest paid coach of the league.

Speaker 8 Mitch Marner, the story came out where when he was a rookie, he called in, he called him in and he said, I want you to rank the guys laziest to hardworking.

Speaker 8 So he was basically forced to do it. Right.
Then Babcock took that list, goes into the locker room and basically tells the first guy on the list, yeah, Marner thinks you're lazy.

Speaker 8 So just sewering this guy with his team and abusing his power. Right.

Speaker 8 Now, a story that, so there was a few other things that happened in Toronto to eventually the point where they weren't having success. And I think that he'd overstayed his welcome and they moved on.

Speaker 8 One of the things that happened in Toronto that hadn't come out was one of the power dynamics was he would have guys come in

Speaker 8 and he would say, What type of person are you? Give me your phone. Let me see your phone.
And he would start looking through the players' photos on their phone.

Speaker 8 Like, that's just, I mean, any job you work in America, if you're a boss and you do that, you're done, right? Are you getting canned?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I do that to Hank after every weekend.

Speaker 3 I'm just like, let me see. Let me see what you do, Hank.

Speaker 8 You're definitely on the clock.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 8 to the point where they had a designated guy on the Toronto Maple Leafs as a guy who would tell the new guys on the team, hey, when you get called in, don't bring your phone.

Speaker 8 Say you left it in the car. That's pretty fucking crazy.

Speaker 8 So he ends up getting canned from Toronto for a lot of these issues. He has to go do some personal work in order to reestablish his.

Speaker 8 reputation and then he he ends up getting a third chance in Columbus before he'd even coached a game, he's doing the same things with the cell phones.

Speaker 8 So a former player who he did this to in Toronto reached out to me. He goes, hey, man, he goes, this shit's still going on.
You got to call it out on the podcast.

Speaker 8 So I remember calling Wit and telling him, I'm like, can you believe that this guy is still doing this? And even did it to begin with?

Speaker 8 On the podcast, we ended up recording. Wit reminded me I would have never have brought this up.

Speaker 8 And then, so I made like the, I don't want to say light of it, but saying how if he would have called me in, I I would have had a picture of my bin staring him right in the face.

Speaker 1 I would have taken a picture of my hairy cornhole where the first few pictures would have been that. And then maybe a double barrel like, fuck you, don't be looking at my pictures.

Speaker 8 And all of a sudden, we end up posting the clip and it gets about 7 million views. This thing goes.

Speaker 8 So I didn't expect it to maybe get as much attention as it did, but it caught fire. And then all of a sudden it was a bull rush.
The media went crazy with it and they they denied it. And

Speaker 8 it was a pretty nerve-wracking situation breaking that news and having to go through that. But eventually the truth came out.
And apparently there was even more worse shit that he was doing.

Speaker 8 And then they said, hey, we're parting ways with him before he even started a game. So as far as my breaking stories and breaking news,

Speaker 8 I'm going to probably take a hiatus for a few years after the emotional.

Speaker 1 Take a rest. Yeah, you deserve it.
Yes. But you guys are a players podcast.
And that's what I appreciate when you, like, that was your message: was like, hey, we're going to stand up for the players.

Speaker 1 Like, this is some bullshit that's going on. No one else is going to report it.
We talk about the players. We love this league.
We were players. We have to say something.

Speaker 8 I would have never have even known the story unless a former player said, hey, this is what was going on with us. You need to use your platform to address it.
And I said, aye, aye, Captain.

Speaker 8 And like you said, yes, we're a players podcast, and

Speaker 8 we try to give them as much voice as possible.

Speaker 3 How How did you feel about the people out there that were like not normally a fan of these guys,

Speaker 3 but I tend to agree with them on this? There was a lot of that going on.

Speaker 3 Like normally I hate Paul Bissenet, but got to admit, he's right on the, you had to admit, you had to say, first of all, like, I don't usually like spitting chiclets, but again, they're right.

Speaker 8 I mean,

Speaker 8 I could see why people would hate my guts. I was a pretty big donkey

Speaker 8 online for a long time. So for those people, maybe we could kind of just be like, hey, we're neutral now and we could be buddies and move on.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, hopefully.

Speaker 3 When we had Yandel on and we talked to him a little bit about the Maple Leafs this year, and we asked him why they won't win the Stanley Cup because he didn't include them in the list of teams that could win.

Speaker 3 His answer was the fans, that the fans are the problem in Toronto. I know that you've been on and off the Leafs bandwagon a couple times the past years.

Speaker 3 You did make a bet, I think, right, that you would get circumcised

Speaker 3 if they didn't win, what, two series or one series in the playoffs? So your hog is still covered with your turtleneck, to my knowledge.

Speaker 8 The only bet i've never followed through on by the way i think we can give you a picture shave my head on national television i made up for it with the edmonton uh calgary bet with the battle of alberta yeah so so his his analysis was the fans suck in toronto and they're holding the team back would you agree with that assessment

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's,

Speaker 8 I mean, I don't know. It's like any major sport when you're in the mecca, every little thing that happens is the biggest story in the world where if you win 6-5, we have a goaltending issue.

Speaker 8 If we win 2-1, what's wrong with the offense? Right? They're just trying to fabricate stories. I mean,

Speaker 8 so

Speaker 8 living under the microscope of playing in Toronto would be very difficult. And in the past, they've been very, very hard to deal with.

Speaker 8 I want to say there's been a few instances this year where they've actually tried to elevate players who are going through difficult times.

Speaker 1 The goalie.

Speaker 8 Samsonov or Samsonov, I mean, the way you pronounce it changes every week, at least for me. But he was having a difficult time where they started kind of like chanting for him and getting behind him.

Speaker 8 So I can see where Yans is coming from. The fan base can be very fickle, but I think that they're turning a new leaf.
No pun intended.

Speaker 8 I think that that's why you like that.

Speaker 8 You like your puns, don't you?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, baby.

Speaker 1 What are you doing with your other hand?

Speaker 8 I was rubbing my cock.

Speaker 1 Yo, put the GA journalism. Yeah, I love that.
This looks like a Drake video right now.

Speaker 1 What's a Drake?

Speaker 1 Yeah, huge old shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 So I never saw that. I heard about it.

Speaker 8 So he's got a big hog?

Speaker 1 We got to send the video now. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Oh, you have. Yeah, send it right now.
I want to see.

Speaker 8 How big is his rope? You got a big rope?

Speaker 1 It's a decent rope.

Speaker 3 It was big enough to the point where we thought that maybe he leaked it himself because it was a good, good.

Speaker 1 Veteran move. Yeah.
Veteran move.

Speaker 8 If I had a huge hog, I'd leak it too.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I'd be doing the old sex tape to get our numbers up. We'd be the number one sports podcast if I had a big dog.

Speaker 1 Hey, how many times in a given week do the TNT producers are like, hey, Biz, you said that name wrong. Do they get on you for pronunciations or they just know we got usually Liam just call

Speaker 8 us Liam just calls me out right next to me.

Speaker 1 So that's that's that's the beauty of it.

Speaker 8 He holds me accountable for sure.

Speaker 8 But I would say that I would have to agree with fans or Yans, but I don't think that that's going to be an issue this year.

Speaker 1 Ooh, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 8 I'm feeling the mojo right now.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 8 they're peaking at the perfect time. So they had Morgan Riley who cross-checked the guy in the face.

Speaker 8 I guess you could say a faux pas when you have an empty netter in hockey that you don't, you know, you just kind of just slide it in.

Speaker 8 So there was a kid for the Ottawa senators who Leaf Senators have a battle of Ontario, and he had the full net to himself, and he just wound up and took a clap bomb.

Speaker 8 So Morgan Riley scaled it over, cross-checked him in the face, got a five-game sussy, and they were a bit thin on the back end to begin with, but it galvanized the group.

Speaker 8 They were going through a difficult time, and they ended up rattling off five wins during his suspension.

Speaker 8 I think they're at seven in a row right now, and I just love that they're peaking at the perfect time.

Speaker 1 Well, what if they got time out? The perfect time would be like a little bit later, right? Yeah,

Speaker 1 well, they were well timeout, though.

Speaker 8 They were in a wild card position fighting for their playoff lives. So they need to start rattling off some wins.
And some people say, oh, they're peaking too early.

Speaker 1 They're peaking too early, like idiots like you.

Speaker 8 But if you go back to last year,

Speaker 8 the Vegas Golden Knights and the Florida Panthers right after All-Star game is when they started their peak. They started winning, winning, winning, winning, winning, leading into playoffs.

Speaker 8 So it wasn't just like, oh, okay, hit the snooze button, hit the snooze button. Oh, it's playoffs.
Okay, I guess we'll start trying now. There has to be some method to the madness leading in.

Speaker 8 And the Leafs have found that at the perfect time.

Speaker 1 I'm with you.

Speaker 3 Like, I buy into the Leafs' bullshit. It seems like every single year.
I'm not a fan of the team, but I watch them play, and I watch Austin Matthews, and I'm like, this guy's on a different level.

Speaker 3 And it always feels like they've got all the ingredients, they're ready. And then I get disappointed every single year when my bet doesn't hit because I do it, and now I'm starting to do it again.

Speaker 3 So I'm by telling you that you're full of shit, I'm really just telling me, like, don't buy into their bullshit again. Yeah.

Speaker 8 I could see why you would think that. Now, I'm a firm believer in facing your demons head-on.

Speaker 8 Like go right at the eye of the storm. I am hoping that they draw Boston as a first-round matchup because if you go back to, I don't know the exact year.

Speaker 8 You guys could maybe look it up if you have a researcher there. Is Jake there?

Speaker 3 We don't have researcher.

Speaker 1 He's not here right now.

Speaker 8 Well, I wish I had.

Speaker 8 They lost to the Boston Bruins. They were up 3-1 in the series, and they were up three or 4-1 in the game.
That was game seven. And then they ended up losing to the Boston Bruins.

Speaker 8 So I feel much like when the Red Sox went against the Yankees when they were down 3-0,

Speaker 8 they ended up reversing the curse. And that's when they went on to end up winning their first World Series.
And I don't even know how long since the curse of the Bambino.

Speaker 8 I feel if the Leafs end up matching up with Boston in the first round, I think they beat them, and then they go on to march to win the standards.

Speaker 1 So 2013, so there's probably a lot of guys from the 2013 team that are still on this team there's not one player that's still left off they take it pretty personally also if you're going to use an example of a team that's battled back or had like a history recently

Speaker 3 you would have to remember that the boston team last year they blew a 3-0 lead didn't they no 3-1

Speaker 8 They blew a 3-1 lead. 3-1.

Speaker 3 3-1. Okay, but they were the one seed last year.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they were.

Speaker 8 By the best regular season team in NHL.

Speaker 1 So the Bruins have to find a way to play the Panthers in the first round, and the Leafs have to find a way to also play the Bruins in the first round.

Speaker 8 I think they should do a Chinese checker-style playoff.

Speaker 8 Get three teams on the ice. Let's fucking roll, baby.

Speaker 1 Yeah. A death match.

Speaker 8 Medieval times, dinner and tournament. Let's go.
I love that.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, the one thing I love about hockey and hockey players is that... You know, analytics have come into all sports.
It's changed a little bit.

Speaker 1 The human element has been taken out of it a little, but you said something there that was, I truly believe, and I think most hockey guys would agree, like an issue where you have a guy stand up for his teammates, cross-check someone, can galvanize and get all the boys pumped up.

Speaker 1 Like, is there, were there moments in your career or maybe even you see it right now where it's like, hey, a fight, and then that fight happens, and then boom, they're off and running.

Speaker 1 Like, the boys in the locker room need something to get behind. It's not just playing hockey.

Speaker 8 I just think it speaks more volumes as to how connected the group is and in hockey you know you can have all the skill in the world but if you're not connected as a group i mean you're gonna you're gonna fizzle out there's been plenty of unbelievable teams that have just you know found ways to lose where you have these like for instance last year the panthers that's a team who who's galvanized together it's not just if they're if their goalie stops a puck and one of the offensive zone players from the other offensive players from the other team bumps into their goalie they're going to have five panthers jumping on that guy's back.

Speaker 8 Right.

Speaker 1 They just are.

Speaker 8 So the only championship I've ever won was in the AHL with Mike Stuthers, and he instilled that on us in us. And I truly believe it, where,

Speaker 8 where, like Leafs at the beginning of the year, they had a few issues where things like that had happened and guys were just marching all over them.

Speaker 8 getting away with it, chirping at their bench where nobody was answering the bell.

Speaker 8 So I felt that that was a major issue and a major disconnect within the group where that's obviously been addressed now. I feel like guys are stepping up in that situation.

Speaker 8 And that's why probably William Nielander spoke to, hey, I know we're losing our best defenseman for five games, but we're going to battle for him while he's out of the lineup.

Speaker 8 And that's really sparked the group internally. Just one moment like that in a season.
Man, let's go back to last year when Florida Panthers were fighting for their playoff lives.

Speaker 8 It was

Speaker 8 Matthew Kachuck's father, Keith Kachuk, who did a radio hit in Canada.

Speaker 8 We had him on our altcast, and it was somewhat of a calculated move where he's like, well, he's like, yeah, I was obviously going on there knowing that it was probably going to create some airways, but I didn't know it was going to have the ripple effect that it had.

Speaker 8 But he called out the whole team for playing soft and playing like a bunch of pussies. And after that, it was a full-blown mutiny.
And there was nobody who was going to push over the Florida Panthers.

Speaker 8 And they went on to do what they did last year.

Speaker 3 I love that. I like that.
I like dad getting involved. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Connor McDavid. Well, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 8 If your dad's some Joe Schmo

Speaker 8 who was just following you through the minor ranks, being an annoying dad, it's one thing.

Speaker 8 If you're Walt Kachuk, who scored 500 goals in the National Hockey League and you should be a Hall of Famer, it's a little bit different.

Speaker 8 So I wouldn't exactly say every dad should be getting in the mix.

Speaker 1 No, let every dad get in the mix.

Speaker 3 We need a hockey version of Lamar Ball. Yeah.
We need somebody really stirring shit up.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Get going.

Speaker 8 Well, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 I don't know. Is there one? Is there an example?

Speaker 1 Is there a helicopter dad?

Speaker 3 Who's the best dad in the NHL?

Speaker 8 I got a call from one recently

Speaker 8 who was maybe not happy with what we were talking about on the podcast because his kid basically was like, I don't want to play for the Philadelphia Flyers.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 He's like, I'm done. And he like refused to even meet with them.
But it's a whole new regime. I can understand maybe why he's frustrated with the old regime, but there's a full new awesome regime.

Speaker 8 Danny Breyer is there, Keith Jones, like the flyers are trying to reestablish their culture there. And for whatever reason, this kid just was like, yeah, I ain't coming.
And they traded him.

Speaker 8 And I got a phone call and he's basically saying that they were lying about the situation where I'm like, I don't think Danny Bruyere and Keith Jones are lying about the fact that of all this stuff happening behind the scenes, but okay, LeBarbal.

Speaker 1 Uh-huh.

Speaker 3 I like your use of the word regime, too yeah it feels like it feels really efficient the new regime

Speaker 3 culture what's what's the best regime in the nhl right now

Speaker 8 oh okay that's a great question great question i would um

Speaker 8 i would say a very uh cool regime and one that i would want to be a part of would be the part of the iser plan in detroit with steve eiserman that sounds he's a very

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 8 He's got a bunch of the old players from the Detroit days

Speaker 8 they won cups together as part of his development staff,

Speaker 8 whether they're working hand-in-hand with players, whether they're part of the scouting staff.

Speaker 8 So being part of that group and that the brass, the roundtable, that would be a pretty cool regime to be a part of.

Speaker 8 Stevie is pretty intense. So if you were late for a Zoom call,

Speaker 8 he would. you know, ream you out.

Speaker 8 If any information of inside the regime gets out, you're done. Walk the plank.
You probably would get beheaded at Little Caesars Arena in Detroit.

Speaker 8 But nonetheless, that would be a ride or die regime that I would love to be a part of.

Speaker 1 That sounds pretty grass.

Speaker 3 What about the worst regime?

Speaker 8 I don't want to be too negative.

Speaker 3 One regime that needs work.

Speaker 1 This is in transition.

Speaker 3 Regime change.

Speaker 8 Can I get back to you on that at the end of the pod? Yeah,

Speaker 1 at the end of my interview.

Speaker 3 Marinate on that for a little bit. Okay, so I do want to ask you about McDavid real quick.
Is he ever going to score a goal again?

Speaker 3 Is he like for the best athlete in the history of the world, going 10 games without a goal

Speaker 3 seems like a long time, right?

Speaker 8 I think sometimes he probably just gets bored of doing certain things. So he says, ah, I'm just going to feed my teammates for the next month here.

Speaker 8 And in that stretch of time, he's, I mean, he had a six assist game. So there's certain situations where he's like probably looking off scoring a goal.

Speaker 8 And he actually could have put an empty netter in the net going back about a week, maybe a week and a half ago against the Arizona Coyotes.

Speaker 8 But he had a teammate, Fogel, who had been struggling, who hadn't scored a goal in about eight or nine games.

Speaker 8 And instead of taking the empty netter to himself, he made a play over to Fogel so he could score the empty netter to gain his confidence back, in which he did.

Speaker 8 He ended up scoring the next game after that. And he's been hot ever since.
So

Speaker 8 he is just the all-time teammate and a great ambassador for our game. And another guy who you could probably consider

Speaker 8 if he

Speaker 8 continues on the trajectory he's on, it's hard to say he would pass Wayne because Wayne's numbers are just

Speaker 8 untouchable because he just cracked the code at that time and the goalies weren't good enough. But he will probably end up second in all-time scoring.

Speaker 8 So and an absolute phenom who's lived up to every bit of expectation.

Speaker 1 But if he continues on this trajectory, trajectory, he'd have zero Stanley Cups.

Speaker 8 That is, so that is something that is weighed heavily on NHL guys where it's like, oh, yeah, but he didn't win a cup, but he didn't win a cup. And you could tell that it weighs on him.

Speaker 8 I think that you will see way more personality coming out of him when he gets the job done. It was the same thing with Sid.

Speaker 8 And that's not a knock. Like, he has personality, but these guys take it so seriously that they want to be able to deliver that and have that in order to to think that their career was complete.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 I think that you could say that about every sport, but I would say in hockey, from a media perspective, that is something that is held against you. Look at how long they were holding it against Ovie.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yep.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 That was the one. I mean, you know PFT more than anyone.
That was the one. Oh, yeah, but he's not a winner.
Oh, yeah, but he's not a winner.

Speaker 1 He raises

Speaker 3 a golf cartoon that would come out every year that they'd lose.

Speaker 3 It didn't help that they would win the

Speaker 3 President's Cup all the time, and then they'd get bounced in the playoffs. It became a narrative that sucked.

Speaker 3 And yeah, I mean, if you're a hockey player, like we say, you don't, how many minutes does Connor McDavid skate per night?

Speaker 1 22 or something?

Speaker 3 22. So you're not really on the ice at all during a hockey game, even if you're the best player.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And then they hold you accountable if they don't win the cup. Right.

Speaker 1 You should probably stay on the ice more.

Speaker 8 And going back to last year and this year, this is the best group that they've surrounded him with.

Speaker 8 And the young guys who they were waiting on to blossom are starting to blossom, and the moves that they made are starting to pay off.

Speaker 8 I would say the one area if Connor McDavid wants a Stanley Cup, I would say they probably have to add a defenseman and probably a goaltender at the deadline.

Speaker 8 Not saying Stewart Skinner can't get the job done, they just maybe need somebody with a little bit more experience. There have been rumors that Mark Andre Fleury is going to be on the move somewhere.

Speaker 8 I've heard LA is a landing spot.

Speaker 8 Edmonton might be a potential landing spot. But going back to the Boston Bruins, they have two goalies right now that are studs.

Speaker 8 And if the Boston Bruins want to win a Stanley Cup, I think they have to end up trading one of those guys before the deadline to gain a first-line center.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
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Speaker 1 Last question, roback question: What's the worst regime?

Speaker 8 I'm going to look at the standings right now just.

Speaker 8 Well, it's just hard. I don't want to be critical

Speaker 8 and then speak out of turn.

Speaker 1 Let's do this.

Speaker 1 What's a regime that's in transition? That's a better way to put it. They're in transition.
That's not good or bad. That just means they're kind of figuring things out.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 8 We'll go back to Columbus with the fact that the current regime was the one who vetted, and I say that with quotation marks, Babcock to bring him back in.

Speaker 8 And then he didn't even end up coaching a game for that team. He got fired before he'd even coached a game.

Speaker 8 The Yarmoke line in the GM was just fired not too long ago, and they're in the midst of looking for a new GM. And then

Speaker 8 Davidson is currently stepped in. So I would say Columbus right now is one that is looking to reestablish, but they've had a tough go for as long as I can remember.

Speaker 8 So they've never really had an incredible regime.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Although I think that Yarmo did a great job there, and I heard he's an unbelievable guy. That is just one that is facing some turbulence.

Speaker 1 That's a good answer. If Mike Babcock saw you on the street, would it be on site? Would he try to fight you?

Speaker 8 I don't know. I got nothing against, I have nothing personal against this guy other than, bud, you got fired for being a fucking idiot and abusing your power.
You went away and said

Speaker 8 you did some dig, you dug deep. You went and did some soul searching and you figured it all out.
And then now you're looking at dick pics in your players' phones. So

Speaker 8 you're seeing your players' wives' mama jamas

Speaker 8 jammed up when they're on the road and maybe they want a little pick-me-up for a tug at the hotel room.

Speaker 1 And now you're looking at it. Come on, man.
So maybe that's the lesson in all of this. Don't get help.

Speaker 1 If he had never gone and got help and just been like, yeah, I'm still a dick, dick, then there's no story.

Speaker 8 I,

Speaker 8 you're, yay, chestnut checkers, right?

Speaker 1 You're onto something. He's like, hey, guys, I'm Mike Babcock.
I'm a huge fucking asshole.

Speaker 3 What kind of help do you get where you go, you like, check in the therapy and you're like, yeah, I can't stop looking at pictures of my players' cell phones.

Speaker 3 Like, that's not, I don't think that's something that psychiatrists are equipped to deal with.

Speaker 8 That's true. I think that's a one-off.
And going back to what you said, big cat, like, then I guess you would just be Urban Meyer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true yeah no just say business yeah yeah just oh

Speaker 3 um biz i i have one theory i want to throw out you i get one caps question per hockey interview um i love with with the ov gold chase which is that's what i'm rooting for now is i'm an alexander ovechkin fan i want to see him score i want to see him pass wayne gretzky uh it feels like the league has not really been all in like promoting the accomplishment when you weigh it against like how great of an accomplishment that it is.

Speaker 3 It feels like...

Speaker 8 Buddy, we're fucking two years away from him breaking it.

Speaker 1 What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 I don't know if it's two years. How many more goals does he have left?

Speaker 8 He needs to get a little over 50. I want to say he's at like 51 or 52.

Speaker 8 At his age, he's not scoring 50 goals next year.

Speaker 3 My theory, though, is that the NHL is not promoting as much because of the whole Putin connection. What do you think about that?

Speaker 8 No, because every time we have Washington on the broadcast and we do, it's the first thing we talk about. We put him on the ice.
Okay, I'm on the ice. This guy's about to break the record.

Speaker 8 Like, what do you want them to do?

Speaker 3 I'd like, I'd like a parade every time he scores a goal.

Speaker 8 I'd like just well, he the other thing, too, is what one of the stories was at the beginning of the year, he wasn't scoring and he was like looking slow.

Speaker 8 And all of a sudden, people were worried as to whether he would even break it. So, if anything, they were helping him out by not drawing too much attention to it.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And so, I should be thankful for you.

Speaker 10 Thank you, Paul.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 8 You're welcome. But as of late, he went on an eight-game goal scoring streak.
So now he's back

Speaker 8 in that trend.

Speaker 8 so he's got two years left after this year on his contract i think next year he'll probably get whatever 30 35 goals and then the following year is when you're really going to see this this kind of parade as you're describing start it's going to be a stroke off fest double wrister

Speaker 1 every goddamn game that he's he's on the broadcast i love that you did this whole interview in your bed i'll put i'll put i'll put mascara on and give him the double wrister right before you okay all right i appreciate that thank you biz i'll give him yeah what's up no you know i appreciate that i was gonna say thank you yeah no you can keep picking up

Speaker 1 did you guys send the drake video how big's his hawk i will send it but it's a federal crime to send it i'll still send it though

Speaker 8 oh you can't oh how about this one i don't know if you guys heard this story so

Speaker 8 um guy who got picked off off by waivers uh for the um arizona coyotes they had like a gala night to raise money for charity and i think he'd only played three games for the team And I don't know if he was trying to send this videos to his buddies via DM.

Speaker 8 I don't know if he was trying to text it to him, but he was just so banged up. But he had a video of a plate of cocaine with his Amex card.

Speaker 8 And then, and then he filled it and showed it and then switched it around to like the selfie style. And then he's like chomping on the vial that had more coke.

Speaker 8 He got put on waivers. He's done.
And

Speaker 8 the team was 0-9 and 0-9-1 in their last 10. You can't be flexing vials like Kuznetsaw.
Like you just won

Speaker 8 a medal at the Olympics or something, right? Only only CAPS players can get away with that, right?

Speaker 1 PFT?

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, that's a Putin connection.

Speaker 1 Again, yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Biz, hopefully we see you soon, right? Are you going to come to the office? We're going to see you soon.

Speaker 8 Yeah, if I'm not too tired.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 He did do this in bed, so you can go, you can just shut your eyes right now and take a little nap. You might have mana.
That's actually all I do now.

Speaker 8 I do do inter interviews on podcasts and then the minute i'm done i go back to sleep until the next morning

Speaker 1 well we love you biz thank you we'll have you back on uh come playoff time and you're the best man i love you guys don't hey guys out there don't be posting your uh your coke habits on on instagram yeah and don't be doing it in gener in general too much fentanyl out there yeah smoke some dope yeah good point good point that's your that's your drug message from biz all right see you biz

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Speaker 15 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a recurring guest, very special guest. It is Jay Billis from ESPN.
You can hear him. It is his time of year.

Speaker 1 We're getting closer and closer to March Conference Championship Week. College basketball basketball is front and center.
Jay,

Speaker 1 I want to do this because we like you. I want to do this in as respectful a way as possible to have this debate.

Speaker 1 Why are you trying to arrest college kids?

Speaker 15 I'm not trying to arrest college kids.

Speaker 15 And I'm sure you guys are among the masses for which nuance is this.

Speaker 15 thing you can't grasp. But all I said was, we're not changing court storming.
It's not going to stop. They don't want to stop it.
So when they say they do, they're not telling the truth.

Speaker 15 If they wanted to stop it, they could stop it tomorrow.

Speaker 15 And that's when I said the thing about, you know, you could just issue citations. Nobody would do that anymore.
If they wanted to stop it, it's not that big of a deal.

Speaker 15 They don't want to stop it because they like the visual of it. And it sounds like you guys do too.

Speaker 15 But I mean, being completely honest about it, it's not part of the game. Like the game's over.

Speaker 15 And if you think about, like, let me ask you guys, what's the best place in America and the most passionate and the place, the one place you'd want to see a basketball game?

Speaker 3 The USS Intrepid. I would say.

Speaker 1 Aircraft carrier. I would say Wake Forest standing at center court after they beat Duke.

Speaker 1 That would be the number one.

Speaker 15 So it wouldn't be Allen Fieldhouse at Kansas?

Speaker 1 I guess, yeah, Allen Fieldhouse. Yeah, that would be pretty good.

Speaker 15 When was the last court storming they had there?

Speaker 1 Well, they're really, really good. When was the last last time Kansas has been court stormed on? Yeah, because they're really good.

Speaker 3 I guess if Kansas was an underdog at home and you had like the number one team in the country coming in and Kansas was ranked somewhere between 10 and 25 and they won at home, I could see them storming the court

Speaker 15 because that's happened. That's happened there.
It doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 Okay, what if Kansas

Speaker 15 early in the year? It doesn't happen. My point is, it's the best environment for a game, and they don't have that.
It doesn't change the fact that it's incredibly passionate. Have you guys been there?

Speaker 1 I have not. I want to.
It's a bucket list for me, for sure.

Speaker 15 It's freaking unbelievable. It's unbelievable.
Before the game, there are very few places I go to broadcast a game where right before the game, I have my phone up to

Speaker 15 get video of it because it's so cool.

Speaker 15 The court storming thing, look, I'm not going to talk people out. If you love it, I'm not trying to talk you out of it.

Speaker 15 My perspective is fans don't belong on the court ever, and players don't belong in the stands ever.

Speaker 15 I don't think that's a controversial thing. If you guys want to do that, then do it.
I'm not trying to talk you out of it, but don't tell me we can't stop it. Yes.

Speaker 1 If we want to.

Speaker 3 It's interesting because every conference has such different rules when it comes to enforcing penalties about court storming.

Speaker 3 Like you've got some conferences, I think the SEC is the most hardcore where they fine you like $100,000 for the first time you do it.

Speaker 3 And then there are some conferences where it's like, yeah, we just don't have rules about that.

Speaker 15 If there was like a uniform rule, that might that might help a little bit, but I think you're right, it's not help at all, wouldn't help at all because the the SEC they're happy to pay it.

Speaker 15 Did you guys see what happened in South Carolina earlier this year? South Carolina wins a game, I don't know who they beat, maybe they beat Kentucky, I don't even remember. Uh, they stormed the court.

Speaker 15 One of the people storming the court was the president emeritus of the university, and he put out video, he put out that rock, yeah, that's cool though.

Speaker 1 That's rock social media. Can you admit that that's go ahead? That's kind of awesome.

Speaker 15 You can like it or not like it all i'm saying is um don't tell me that they want to stop it they don't they said they were happy to pay the fine okay they they they want the visual they use it in recruiting they love it great you can love it i'm not trying to talk anybody out of loving it uh love it all you want to and but but like when they say oh the nba doesn't have the same kind of passion how old are you guys you guys remember the 1980s when larry bird couldn't get off the floor after they beat the lakers in the garden like they stopped all that stuff because it's dangerous, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 And it's dangerous now.

Speaker 15 And we've had significant injuries over the years to fans, some to players. And we've already had two

Speaker 15 instances this year with Caitlin Clark and Kyle Filipowski. It's something bad's going to happen.
And when it does, we're going to have the audacity to be surprised at it.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I will not be surprised. I won't be a hypocrite.
We should say, though, Caitlin Clark and Kyle Filipowski both did not get injured. Kyle Filipowski did not get injured.
He's sore.

Speaker 1 He was an ankle.

Speaker 15 That's an injury.

Speaker 1 It was an ankle, then a knee, then no.

Speaker 15 No, it wasn't.

Speaker 15 John Shire misspoke.

Speaker 1 It was a knee.

Speaker 15 He misspoke at a press conference because he didn't have all the information.

Speaker 1 Well, he's playing tonight.

Speaker 1 Neither did we. He's playing tonight.
The only thing with the Kansas thing, like, I think that's a little disingenuous because Kansas is Kansas, and there's only one Kansas.

Speaker 1 Like, there are certain blue bloods. It's not disingenuous.

Speaker 15 It's not disingenuous.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 there's certain blue bloodshed.

Speaker 15 Disingenuous means lying.

Speaker 1 Okay, but there's certain blue. No, but okay, so then tell me whatever word that you want to use there.

Speaker 1 I think that you're using a very specific example of Kansas to prove a wider point that doesn't really apply to anyone else. Kansas is Kansas.
Like they are a blue blood.

Speaker 1 They have a storage tradition. Court storming, yeah, of course it doesn't happen in Kansas.
It happens everywhere else. It's fun.
It's college.

Speaker 15 It doesn't happen everywhere else. Okay.
It does not happen.

Speaker 1 It doesn't happen with the blue bloods. You're right.
It doesn't happen to the Blue Bloods. It happens in 90% of the stadiums in the country.
And it is far.

Speaker 15 You were just disingenuous there. You said it happens everywhere else.

Speaker 1 All right. It happens 90%.

Speaker 1 That's better. All right.
And Kyle Filipowski did not get injured.

Speaker 1 It is part of college sports. It's college fans being passionate.
It is unique to the sport. It's partly why I love the sport that you have this idea of an underdog at home.

Speaker 1 I know Wakeforce wasn't an underdog, but a team knocking off a ranked opponent and like this big, incredible celebration of the game. And

Speaker 1 I love everybody.

Speaker 15 Can I interrupt for a second? Yes. Can I interrupt for a second? Yes.
What did I say at the beginning? If you like it, I'm not going to talk you out of it. I don't care whether you like it or not.

Speaker 15 That's great. You know, we can talk about ice cream flavors, you know, if you want next.
And I like chocolate. You don't.
I don't care. If you like it, that's great.

Speaker 15 I'm not trying to talk anybody out of it.

Speaker 1 If you want to have court stormings at your school go ahead i don't i don't care just don't tell me you can't stop it because that's what i agree with we can't stop it no that i agree with you could stop it i don't want them to stop it but you're right you could stop it so we can agree on that and i also think that the but that's all i said kaitlin clark and kyle filipowski did not get hurt so

Speaker 15 kyle filipowski okay now you said first you said injured yeah so how do you define injury um he he got treatment over it does that that so that doesn't mean injury don't they get treatment after every game?

Speaker 15 It wasn't a cat. No, they don't.
It wasn't a catastrophic injury.

Speaker 1 Got it. But

Speaker 15 he got injured.

Speaker 3 I think that

Speaker 3 there will be a time when something bad happens on the court. And then we're, I don't think that we're going to look back and say, like, oh, we had no idea this would happen.
It's not, you're right.

Speaker 3 It's not part of the, it's not part of the actual game of basketball, but it's part of the bigger spectacle of college basketball, which is, I think it's good for the sport to have a fan base so enthusiastic enthusiastic that they go on their court, they celebrate with their team.

Speaker 3 I actually have a way to solve this that might be better than your idea of arresting everybody.

Speaker 3 My idea is that you just allow the players to punch people in the face if they get too close to them.

Speaker 3 So you let the players defend themselves on the court, and then you think twice, then it becomes more of a fair fight.

Speaker 15 Well, I know you're joking, but

Speaker 3 I'm actually serious.

Speaker 1 It would be comfortable.

Speaker 15 If they can do that now, like if Kyle Filipowski had decided or any any player had decided they were going to muscle their way off the court and they injured a fan, there would be no people would criticize it, but there would be no action taken because Kyle Filipowski or whatever player belongs out there and fans don't.

Speaker 15 So you talk about assuming the risk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 15 As a fan, but there's one thing that happened there. We showed all that in slow motion and people were trying to break it down like the Zapruder film.

Speaker 15 When you show it in fast motion, they were coming at him in a hurry.

Speaker 15 I don't know what was said or what, you know, all the stuff that went into that, but I know that the way everybody reacted, that was not just people passing by each other like they were in a New York City street.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I don't put any blame on Kyle Philipowski in this.

Speaker 1 I think that we can agree on that. Like people who are breaking it down being like, he, he shoved this guy.

Speaker 1 Like you can, you can, you can look at that situation and you could ask 100 people and, and it could be 50 people seeing it one way, 50 people seeing it the other.

Speaker 1 We'll never, people will never agree on that. Is there a part of you, though, Jay? Like you played at Duke, obviously.

Speaker 1 You weren't part of the student section. Is there a part of you that might have a little bit of a blind spot? Like we're speaking from the perspective of the regular fan.

Speaker 1 Like I remember when I was at Wisconsin, we stormed a court for a game, stormed a football field for a game. Like those are memories that I'll have forever.

Speaker 1 Is there maybe a little bit of a blind spot here where you're the player's perspective, we're the fan's perspective, and that's where the disconnect is?

Speaker 15 No. Okay.

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 15 i mean i i don't know how many times i can say this i'm not trying to talk you out of liking it if you want to do it i'm not going to stop you i don't care go ahead you know i i don't understand what like what the problem is in this discussion you know you seem to be coming at me no i'm not i'm not my perspective um i i don't think it's necessary

Speaker 15 I tend to put the participants' safety above, you know, like your liking it or your memory and all that. If you want to do it, that's great.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 But so there are a lot, hey, there are a lot of different solutions we could have.

Speaker 15 We could say, you go with some of the people who said, how about we have a one minute period to let everybody get off the floor? You know, why just one minute? You know, they can't shake hands.

Speaker 15 They can't interact afterwards. The players can't sort of celebrate together.
I don't know.

Speaker 15 So we're going to put a shot clock on it. Or then we say, okay, we'll cordon off the players, which some do so they can do their handshake line.
Everybody can jump around.

Speaker 15 There are a million things that you could do to make it a little bit safer million things you could do all i said was don't tell me we can't stop it they don't want to stop it that's my main point they don't want to stop it they want the visual they're they're not worried like the administrators don't care about the fact that you like it they don't care They want the visual of that because they take pictures of it and video and they put it up all over their materials and their locker rooms and all that stuff so they can sell it.

Speaker 15 That's what the, that's the business they're in.

Speaker 15 But you can't like, I think it's contradictory to say player safety is number one, but where court stormings are okay.

Speaker 15 Those two things don't go together because the players are going to get hurt and the fans are going to get hurt. And the fact it doesn't happen more often, we've been lucky.
We've been lucky. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I do think we just agree to disagree on parts of this, but I'm not trying to come at you.

Speaker 1 I respect where you're coming from, where it's like, you are right that if they wanted to stop it, they could stop it. We totally agree on that.

Speaker 3 And it seems like

Speaker 3 they're setting themselves up for a future lawsuit the way that you're framing this right now. The way if you think about it from the perspective of

Speaker 3 a college administrator and they are turning a blind eye to it and you're saying at some point somebody's going to get hurt, there's enough of a paper trail there that exists already to the point where they could be held liable for an injury that happens to a player on the court like you should have known better, which is why I think that they eventually will change.

Speaker 3 I know that they like it. They like the the visual, but I do think that the rule is going to change just because now you've got lawyers that are going to be involved and you should have known better.

Speaker 15 They've already been involved, they've already been involved, they've known this for decades, they know it. Um, you know, so do we stop short of tear? What do we do in football?

Speaker 15 Is it okay to tear the goalposts down and carry those off? Um, I don't know, do whatever you want, that's their school. I don't care what they do, that's their school.

Speaker 15 But you know, it would be in my role when somebody asks me my opinion, I give it. And I'm not trying to talk, again, I'm not trying to talk you out of liking it.

Speaker 15 People can think that that's the greatest thing ever. And I wouldn't watch a game if they couldn't storm the court.
That's fine. Do whatever you want.

Speaker 15 But my thing was, it's pretty simple. Players don't belong in the stands and fans don't belong on the court.

Speaker 15 And like, are they allowed to run out 10 seconds before while they're dribbling out the clock?

Speaker 15 Where do we draw any lines here? What about, you know, know, and I asked this of a friend of mine. I said, what if in the Duke Carolina game in Chapel Hill earlier this year, what if Duke had won?

Speaker 15 Could their fans have run out on the court and celebrated the Duke win? They would have been wrestled to the ground by security.

Speaker 1 That would have been funny.

Speaker 15 That would have been fun. Yeah.
You know, wouldn't that have been a fun thing? What a great memory for them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, that would have been fun. That would have been fun to watch like

Speaker 1 just like a smattering of Duke fans try to get out there and just have like a battle royale. That would have been fun.

Speaker 15 It would have been great.

Speaker 3 Can we find some common ground when it comes to storming fields, storming courts? Because you mentioned tearing the goalpost down.

Speaker 3 When Tennessee did that the other year and they carried the goalpost with them through downtown Knoxville, threw it into the river. Can we just admit that that was awesome? That's pretty fun.

Speaker 15 It's fun. I mean,

Speaker 15 it's fun to do a lot of things.

Speaker 15 It's fun to do a lot of illegal things.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's fun to do hoodrat shit with your friends. Yeah, no, it is.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 Like,

Speaker 15 I'm not arguing any of these points. I'm not going to tell you what you think is fun.

Speaker 15 You can think whatever is fun that you want.

Speaker 1 Okay. I actually think we agree more than we disagree here.
Like, I respect you.

Speaker 15 It took you a long time to get there.

Speaker 1 Well, I think you also kind of

Speaker 1 conceded that we're funny and we have some good ideas. You got here.

Speaker 1 We're both getting there. We're switching back and forth, but we're getting there.
No, this happened. You met us.

Speaker 1 No, no, you met us a little bit because I think you, you know, if you were a fan, you would storm the court.

Speaker 8 I think you would.

Speaker 3 I also think, Jay, maybe a little bit.

Speaker 15 I've never been a fan. Right.

Speaker 1 That's you haven't. Maybe a little bit.
Maybe just a little.

Speaker 3 Maybe just a little bit of it has to do with the fact that you went to Duke. Maybe, maybe a tiny, tiny bit.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 15 I hate to break this to you, but we talked about this three weeks ago on College Game Day. You can go back and look at it.
It's all out there. It's all over social media.
And I said.

Speaker 15 The exact same things I told you. Players don't belong in the stands.
Fans don't belong in the court.

Speaker 15 Somebody's going to get hurt and we're going to act surprise and it's going to be an issue for a little while and then we're never going to stop it i said this three weeks ago and and then it just so happened it three weeks later um like i don't i'm not an i told you so guy but all of it came true well except for the hurt part now he got hurt and you it maybe the injury wasn't enough for you so

Speaker 1 i'll come and i'll come and sprain your knee and then you claim that i'm fine i don't i i i live life with two sprained knees yeah yeah all

Speaker 3 I've been healthy for years.

Speaker 1 So Jay, let's talk a little other college ball. We'll put this to bed.

Speaker 1 You obviously, you call all the games, you watch the game,

Speaker 1 you're part of the game. Give me a team or two that you've seen.

Speaker 1 It always happens late February, early March that is starting to play their best ball. And maybe there's a national thought of like, oh, we saw this team in Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 We saw this team early in January. They aren't good.
But if you're not watching out for them, they're starting to put it all together night in and night out.

Speaker 15 I think Illinois is starting to trend in that direction. I thought they were really good at the start of the year.
And then Terrence Shannon Jr.

Speaker 15 was charged with a felony in Kansas and then through

Speaker 15 some legal maneuvering, got reinstated.

Speaker 15 They're starting to look like they could do some real damage there. They don't have a true point guard, which some people think is a big problem.
I don't think it's a big problem.

Speaker 15 South Florida is another team that's trending a little bit like Florida Atlantic did last year, even though they're in a bigger conference this year than Florida Atlantic was last year.

Speaker 15 And actually, I think Florida Atlantic's probably a better team this year than they were last year.

Speaker 15 You know, they're in a different league, so their record isn't quite as good. They've played a much more difficult schedule than they did last year, but they've got basically the same players.

Speaker 15 And not many teams have a seven-footer like Vlad Golden that he can go toe-to-toe with anybody as long as he stays out of foul trouble. Their efficiency numbers are off the charts.

Speaker 15 Those are the ones that come to mind, But the, you know, the real surprises, you can't call out in advance because they're surprises. Right.

Speaker 15 But there are some teams that I think have a better chance.

Speaker 15 I'll be interested to see, like, you know, this year has been, we've had more sort of

Speaker 15 top 10 teams, which we go by the eight people, which I'm not sure is a very good measure, frankly. but that have been beaten by unranked teams this year.

Speaker 15 And I think we're getting toward the record, but it seems like there have been more than normal. And so we're saying a lot of, man, the tournament's going to be wild.

Speaker 15 And anytime we say the tournament is going to be wild, it isn't wild. Yeah.
And anytime we think we got it knocked, then it's crazy. So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 15 But the tournament is a different animal than the regular season. And, you know, people tend to forget this, but

Speaker 15 when the thing's bracketed. And, you know, you've got your, you know, your path, you know, your first two weekends.
In your region,

Speaker 15 one of the things to remember is 75% of the best teams in the country aren't in your region.

Speaker 15 And last year, Florida Atlantic should have been out in the first round.

Speaker 15 They were one

Speaker 15 egregious Memphis turnover at the end of the game for being out in the first round. And then they move on to the second round and Purdue inexplicably got beat by Fairleigh Dickinson.

Speaker 15 So that's a pretty good first weekend, you know, to survive Memphis and then have to play a 16 seed in the second round. So things happen in the tournament that are unusual

Speaker 15 and you get a benefit by kind of what happens in

Speaker 1 your bracket. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Jay, I want to give you credit for something and not come at you at all for this. In fact, we've kind of agreed with you over the last several years.

Speaker 3 You've been fighting the good fight about players getting paid, about the NCAA artificially deflating players' value and worth and

Speaker 3 all the stuff that they've been up to for the last feels like 40, 50 years.

Speaker 3 So you were ahead of the curve on that. You were the loudest, I think, in the media that's been speaking about it for the longest amount of time.

Speaker 3 Now we're in a place where it's kind of like no rules and the NCAA still feels like they have a need to enforce rules that don't exist.

Speaker 3 If you were the commissioner of the NCAA, if you were in charge of everything, where would you go moving forward in terms of setting any rules up regarding NIL?

Speaker 3 Is it your place to do that as a collegiate sports organization?

Speaker 3 Or what do you think that the future should look like with players and their ability to get paid and how it affects their college careers?

Speaker 15 Yeah, it's an interesting question. I would, I would, there wouldn't be any rules.

Speaker 15 I would have it operate just like normal business does.

Speaker 15 If there were no rules and the schools could just pay the athletes directly, the natural consequence of that or probable consequence is they would sign the players to multi-year contracts.

Speaker 15 So you put a contract in front of a player. If you can sign him to scholarship papers and a national letter of intend, you sign them to a contract.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 15 Sign them to a contract. And

Speaker 15 say if I'm signing one of you, I put a contract in front of you and I say, hey, here's a four-year deal for $500,000 a year plus a scholarship.

Speaker 15 And you would say, I'm not sure I want to stay four years. I'll sign a two-year deal and then we'll decide what to do then.
Or I'll give you an option for a third. You negotiate that out.

Speaker 15 And then I'll say, but I want a buyout in there. So if you leave,

Speaker 15 if you go to the MBA. or you decide you want to transfer to another school, you're going to owe me $500,000 a year.

Speaker 1 That's a buyout.

Speaker 15 Just like, you know, and it would be normal business. It's really not that difficult.
And then another school could say, we'll pay you $550,000 a year.

Speaker 15 And then you have to determine which offer do I want to take if money is the deciding factor.

Speaker 15 Money is just a factor.

Speaker 15 Maybe, maybe a lower offer isn't going to stop you from going to Kansas or UConn or whatever. It's really not that difficult.
And that way the transfer portal is not as big of an issue.

Speaker 15 It may not be an issue at all, but at least that way you have some roster certainty and cost certainty, and everybody knows what everybody else is worth. It's not that big of a deal.

Speaker 15 We do it with coaches, administrators. It's amazing how the rest of American business can operate without guardrails and Congress and all these things.
It's all nonsense.

Speaker 15 The NCAA just wants to be able to continue to violate federal antitrust law in doing their business, and they're not going to be able to do that anymore.

Speaker 3 It's an interesting take. And I could see a world where that works.
Now, if that world does exist and you're giving players multi-year contracts,

Speaker 3 there would be an unintended consequence to that rule.

Speaker 1 You would get

Speaker 3 five, six teams that are stacked, loaded with talent, the ones with the big budgets, and then it would just be a competition between those five or six teams every single year, it feels like.

Speaker 3 Now, that's not something that I don't think the law has no place.

Speaker 3 Like, our laws in America have no place telling a player what they're worth, what they're not worth, but that is something that the sport would have to reckon with, would be just an overload of talent at the top, and then the also Rands wouldn't have as much of a chance.

Speaker 15 I differ with that viewpoint. I think most reasonable economists would tell you that's not how it's going to work.
What money, what being able to pay is going to do is spread talent around more.

Speaker 15 It is not going to concentrate talent. If that were true,

Speaker 15 all the best coaches would be on the same coaching staff.

Speaker 15 They're not going to do that. One, nobody, no, nobody's going to, nobody's going to pay that way.
It's just simple economics and simple business. Nobody's going to do that.

Speaker 15 You're not going to have the three best quarterbacks going to the same school. And that's not going to happen.

Speaker 15 What will happen, and it's more now, you may have individual decisions that vary a little bit, but generally what will happen is smaller schools with smaller budgets can afford to pay more

Speaker 15 for somebody else's third best player than they're willing to pay for that third best player.

Speaker 15 And so you can be the best player somewhere else and make more money than if you're the third best player somewhere at a bigger place and make less make less money. And did I say less money before?

Speaker 15 More money. You make more money as the best player at a smaller budget school than you can make as the third best player at a bigger budget school.
They might not be willing to pay you as much.

Speaker 15 Talent will be spread around. We've already seen it with NIL.
Yeah. NIL and the transfer portal have spread talent around, not concentrated it.

Speaker 1 I agree with you too, just in the fact that when everyone freaks out about NIL and they're like, well, this school is going to just pay every single recruit this amount of money.

Speaker 1 And it's like, well, where's the money coming from? And will there be a point where the people who are paying the money are like, hey, you know what?

Speaker 1 Investing in an 18-year-old and their future, like in this

Speaker 1 situation, this two, three-year situation, is maybe not the soundest investment over and over, where it's like they get a little gun shy.

Speaker 1 And then you have it kind of return to a normal level where not one school is just paying millions and millions of dollars every single year to 18-year-olds that are unproven.

Speaker 15 Well, they're going to do it. They do it.
They do it in the NFL, the NBA. They're going to do it.

Speaker 1 Well, the NFL is the best talent. The NFL is a little different because it's like you, I mean, well, it's actually set up with contracts.
I think it's already happening in college football.

Speaker 1 We're talking about contracts. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 It's already happening in college football a little bit where you have these NIL collectives and they get players in and they put a lot of money towards them and then they can go into the portal with this.

Speaker 3 And then they're like, wait, I just paid, you know, $500,000 for one year of a player. In this situation where you have the contract in front of you,

Speaker 3 I actually do agree with you. I think that multi-year contracts and setting it up like any other business in America is probably the best way to go about it.

Speaker 3 But I also think that the NCAA and the group, the school presidents that get together and decide these rules, they like having as much control over the players as possible. And

Speaker 3 they're not going to give that up lightly. So they keep inventing new rules for themselves to enforce.

Speaker 15 Yeah, but the problem is they violate federal antitrust law by doing it. And there's a court case coming down the tracks, Adam, called the House case.
They're going to lose that case.

Speaker 15 and that's for revenue. The players are suing for revenue.
So the NCAA stands to lose about four to five billion dollars in that case, and they're going to lose, and they know it.

Speaker 15 That's why they're begging Congress for an antitrust exemption and for federal law. They're going to lose.
And when they do lose, who's going to pay it?

Speaker 15 How are they going to get the, you know, where's the money going to come from? They're going to take it from the member institutions. And

Speaker 15 there's still inertia and there's still a lack of movement for, you know, one, they should go to the to Jeffrey Kessler, who's litigating that case on behalf of the players.

Speaker 15 They should go and try to settle that case and work out a framework with Kessler that everybody can live with.

Speaker 15 But if this keeps going the way it is, the NCAA is, you know, they could cease to exist at some point.

Speaker 1 What about who's going to pay it? Court storming fines?

Speaker 15 Well, that comes from the individual schools.

Speaker 15 Now, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Now we've got a perfect ecosystem.

Speaker 1 collective. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I would just want to cover all the court storming.

Speaker 8 Yes, yes.

Speaker 15 The court storming collective. And then it sounds like

Speaker 15 all the fans like you that have this great memory will pony up. So I think you should make a donation.
I will. Right now.

Speaker 1 At least. 10%.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 15 10% of your salary a year should cover it. Done.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Easy.
I do think. So, Jay, I mean, we can admit that like.

Speaker 3 The act of storming a court, it can be fun for some people. Some other people don't like it.
But let's not discount the fact that it does add to the environment of college sports, right?

Speaker 1 It improves, I think, the sport overall,

Speaker 3 the image that we have of college basketball. It's hand in hand with this fan passion and the memories that people do have when they're at schools.

Speaker 3 They become, you know, the sport, the love for the sport becomes more ingrained in them for the rest of their lives.

Speaker 3 And it ends up helping the sport a little bit with revenue over the next, you know, 20, 30 years.

Speaker 3 Big Cat's still a huge Wisconsin fan, not because he stormed the court, not because he stormed the field, but it adds into that collective memory that he has about his time there and makes more passionate fans in the long term, which I do think is beneficial for the overall game.

Speaker 1 Good point. Thank you.

Speaker 15 I don't agree with that. I think if it ended tomorrow, we would see the same passion and the same ratings and the same level of engagement that we always see.

Speaker 15 We don't lead with that.

Speaker 15 It's an interesting thing that happens.

Speaker 15 They do like the visual, but they use it individually. Each individual school uses it for their own purposes.
That's great. Keep doing it.

Speaker 15 You know, I mean, I don't think it matters one bit because, you know, it hasn't changed anything in the popularity of the NFL. They used to storm the field in the NFL.
They don't do it anymore because

Speaker 15 they've stopped it. They deem player safety and the safety of others more important.
Fan safety, all that, that's more important.

Speaker 15 So that's fine. I mean, you know, look, I'm not arguing with you.
I'm not trying to

Speaker 15 change your perspective on what you like and what you don't like.

Speaker 15 That's fine with me.

Speaker 15 Now, the thing about whether

Speaker 15 we're going to see a

Speaker 15 dip in fan interest if we stop it, I don't think we will because the overwhelming majority of the games don't have one anyway. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. I got two last questions for you, Jay.
We appreciate it. This is a good discussion.

Speaker 1 We're agreeing to disagree. We're having a very, you know, respectable discussion here.
Healthy debate. Healthy debate.

Speaker 1 This might not be as healthy. I saw a tweet that there was a dog that ran on the court in a game in Chile.

Speaker 1 Do you want that dog put down?

Speaker 15 No, I want the dog's owner put down.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, that's fair. That's fair.

Speaker 15 I mean, if you have, like, I don't know if you saw that, but somebody could have been bitten on the ankle and injured very badly.

Speaker 1 Or, yeah, or like Kyle Philip Housey could have gotten his tail wagging

Speaker 1 on my leg.

Speaker 15 I think

Speaker 15 you guys making fun of this is really unseemly. Like that, that hujo type creature running out on the court, putting everybody at risk.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 I would have tasered the dog

Speaker 1 and then euthanized the owner. And my dog probably saw this video and was like, oh, I can run on a court now? It sets a bad example.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 15 Exactly. You're just encouraging bad pooch behavior.

Speaker 1 Yes. And

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Speaker 1 This is a tough question, and I'm I'm putting you on the spot, but can you give me your top three coaches in college basketball right now, not from resume, not, oh, this guy won a title 20 years ago, but in terms of what they're doing right now, schematically and how they're coaching the game?

Speaker 1 Do you have that?

Speaker 15 Yeah, Josh Schertz at Indiana State would be number one. I don't know if you've watched that.

Speaker 15 It's like watching a European pro team that's been together for a long time. It's just magnificent.

Speaker 15 And he's a great example of, you know, a Division II coach, you know, kind of like Bo Ryan was at Wisconsin-Platteville, you know, kind of operating in near anonymity.

Speaker 15 And while all these college assistants are getting jobs, they're ignoring this. I get it.
It's difficult to identify all these guys, but I would say Josh Schertz, number one.

Speaker 15 Nate Oates at Alabama, I would put up there. You know, Nate is doing an amazing job at Alabama.
He's putting out a ton of NBA prospects, but also the way they play, you know, it's sort of

Speaker 15 based. And if you notice now, a lot of what they're doing, they're catching the ball on the run.

Speaker 15 So they're just not catching it, getting triple threat position like everybody coached years ago. They're catching it on the run.
They're really hard to guard when the ball moves.

Speaker 15 Offensively, they're ridiculous.

Speaker 15 And then I think Tommy Lloyd is doing that at Arizona.

Speaker 15 And, you know, he was an assistant at Gonzaga for 20 years. And one of the big reasons that Gonzaga has been so successful all these years.

Speaker 15 But off the top of my head, I would say those three that wouldn't be sort of the traditional, you know, Bill Seltz resume or Tom Izzo's resume, guys that are doing something different that are elevating the game and kind of evolving it.

Speaker 1 That's a good answer. I like it.

Speaker 3 Great answer, Jay. Yeah.
Thank you for joining us. Yes.
This has been a good debate, good discussion.

Speaker 1 Seriously, though, Jay, I appreciate you joining us because I think you probably knew we would disagree at points.

Speaker 1 And I do think it's lost in sports media where people just scream at each other and no one ever listens to each other. And I'm happy you came on and explained your side.

Speaker 1 And we found a little bit of a message.

Speaker 15 Screaming at each other is not lost in media. I don't know what you guys are watching.

Speaker 1 No, I'm saying it's lost. No, I'm saying that that's all anyone does actually having a discussion.
Oh, I say that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, and talking about it and hearing someone else's side, whether you agree or disagree, just talking about it, that is lost.

Speaker 15 Yeah, I mean, and that's why I think like we do agree. Like, I don't, you know, like, you can like it, not like it.
I, I don't care.

Speaker 15 I mean, I, I, I respect that that fact um you know i think my position was pretty clear but in today's world people take it and do other things with it i'm good with that i'm not clapping back at people i don't really care uh they can take it and do what they want with it what i said was pretty clear so i don't have a problem with any of it i do have one problem though with your use of agree to disagree

Speaker 15 i've never understood what that means why can't we just disagree no you don't have to agree to disagree because we've yeah if you agree to

Speaker 1 No, we did agree. I don't need an agreement to disagree.
Oh, well, now this is getting contentious again.

Speaker 1 Because if you take away the agreement, then we just disagree and we hate each other. I disagree to agree now.
Yeah.

Speaker 15 I haven't signed any paper that indicates an agreement to disagree.

Speaker 1 No, there's actually, there was a little line that you missed when you joined the Zoom that said that

Speaker 1 any disagreements we agree to disagree on at the end.

Speaker 15 Well, I'm glad we agree to disagree.

Speaker 1 I don't, I don't, I, I agree. Oh,

Speaker 1 a lot of people.

Speaker 3 No, I disagree. I disagree.

Speaker 3 I disagree to agree with you now. And Jay, look at it.

Speaker 1 Well, if we disagree, if we just disagree, then it's on site. If I see you, it's on site.

Speaker 15 I disagree to agree. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Use that next time.

Speaker 3 Also, if you just want to get your word out to the unwashed masses, if you want to get your point across, you can just say, I think court storming is overrated. And then you'll have a debate.

Speaker 3 Overrated or underrated.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 15 Overrated or underrated. And judging court storms and should they storm? Was this a storm-worthy game? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Was this category five?

Speaker 1 Where does it fall on the Fujita scale? I also don't, Jay, I also, because, you know,

Speaker 1 now you did the agree to disagree thing. I don't really like the fact that you're like Mr.
Smarty Pants Duke guy who's just saying, oh, that's not what that word means and all that stuff.

Speaker 15 Well, but disingenuous is calling somebody a liar.

Speaker 1 Well, not exactly. I went and looked it up.
It said slightly dishonest and insincere, which I think I kind of nailed.

Speaker 15 Dishonest?

Speaker 1 Slightly, slightly dishonest and insincere.

Speaker 1 I didn't call you a straight-up liar.

Speaker 15 Oh, okay, so I'm just a slightly dishonest. dishonest.

Speaker 1 I call you, you're, all right, listen, you're disingenuous with the Kansas thing. You're an actual liar when you say Kyle Filipowski was hurt.
That makes sense?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 I actually think that Big Cat was paying you a compliment when he called you disingenuous because he knows that you're smart enough to understand that there's a difference between Kansas fans storming the court and maybe like a University of Rhode Island knocking off a top 10 team at home

Speaker 3 and their fans storming the court.

Speaker 1 You're too smart for that, I'm Jay. You're smart.

Speaker 15 i think what it meant is not only did you not know what disingenuous means but you did you had to look it up no and that's not

Speaker 15 i actually knew what that meant when i was in high school no you actually still don't know you didn't understand why i brought up alan field out oh i did and it was disingenuous

Speaker 1 it was disingenuous all right well jay bills thank you very much can you be ingenuous Yeah, you can be ingenuous. I think Einstein was ingenuous.
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 15 Ingenious. Yeah.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Good point.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Yeah,

Speaker 1 okay, fine. You read books and all that stuff.
That's fine.

Speaker 1 All right. Thank you so much, Jay.
We really do appreciate it. We'll have you back on for March.

Speaker 15 And always a pleasure. That was awesome.

Speaker 1 All right. See you, man.
Take care, Jay.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up the show with pardon your take.

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Speaker 7 What is the worst sports scandal you would want

Speaker 7 to team? Not me. Them.

Speaker 7 What is the worst sports scandal you would want to team to experience in exchange for winning a Super Bowl slash championship?

Speaker 3 What? What is the worst sports scandal that you would want your team

Speaker 3 to experience? It's a good question. It's a good thought starter.

Speaker 3 Big Cat, would you exchange

Speaker 1 three Stanley Cups for a really bad scandal about a

Speaker 1 trainer? No, yeah, I would. Yeah, you would.

Speaker 3 Having your superstar support the leader of a country that is invading a sovereign nation and slaughtering its people. I think I would take that for a Stanley Cup.

Speaker 1 What about a Super Bowl, but then they found out that you videotaped everyone?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 So there's a line.

Speaker 7 By the way, Peter King apologized.

Speaker 7 He was interviewed today, and he said his biggest regret in his career was how he handled the flake eat.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 That actually feels good, doesn't it?

Speaker 7 No, I mean, fuck them, but

Speaker 7 at least he's honest.

Speaker 1 What's the biggest scandal? This is a weird question.

Speaker 3 One thing people don't talk about enough is the fact that Robert Kraft had a Super Bowl ring stolen by Vladimir Putin. Yeah, he did.
When he visited him, he showed him the ring.

Speaker 1 I don't think it's stolen. No, well, here's what happened, okay?

Speaker 3 Because I read about this the other day. I read back on it because I was like, oh, yeah, we don't talk about that anymore.
He was visiting Putin, showed him the ring.

Speaker 3 Putin took the ring from him and just put it in his pocket. And then Kraft was like, What do I do now? Then they escort Robert Kraft out of the room.
He's like, Fuck, Vladimir Putin has my ring.

Speaker 3 He gets home and he starts talking about the story.

Speaker 3 And the White House or the maybe the State Department calls him up and they're like, Hey, it'd be great for us if you could just say that it was a gift to Putin and stop telling everybody that it was stolen.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Putin took his ring. Yeah.

Speaker 3 All right, but so back to this question.

Speaker 1 I think the big thing is you wouldn't wouldn't want it to be a scandal that puts in doubt like Astro scandal bad.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 What's the worst thing? But you know, yeah.

Speaker 10 I was just saying that is one that got technically taken away.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Big cat, would you trade having allegations that you filmed your Super Bowl opponent, allegations that you filmed all your opponents

Speaker 7 in the documentary

Speaker 7 as false?

Speaker 3 Allegations that you're titled.

Speaker 1 Way to football is all the reporters have apologized. Biggest regret of Peter King's career.
He's not done yet.

Speaker 3 Murdered murdered three people no um I'm gonna say no all these he never won a Super Bowl so I'm just curious if you would take these these allegations

Speaker 1 no I think Max is right I think it's got to be like a

Speaker 1 one of the ones they take away a college one they take away who cares yeah who fucking cares you know it's like Michigan was a perfect example this year because that's like one that people will yeah talk shit and you'd be like I don't care we won you know what would suck if you won the World Series and your opponent that you beat it came out that eight of them were gambling heavily to throw the World Series.

Speaker 3 Like, we don't, we talk about the Black Sox. Who won that World Series?

Speaker 1 The Reds.

Speaker 3 Who did the Black Sox lose?

Speaker 1 Yeah, no one, because all they think about is the oh, it was the Reds.

Speaker 3 Yeah, there we go, Hank.

Speaker 1 Seam Head. I knew that.
Yeah. What the fuck? Yeah, good job, Hank.
Way to go.

Speaker 3 Hank remembers the Red. We should remember.

Speaker 1 You're a real Frank to take over there. That was crazy.

Speaker 3 The 1919 World Series. Hank's just walking around with that information.
Nice.

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Speaker 7 and of course pug pug wow memes no love someone i someone this is a good idea i i don't know where i saw it but

Speaker 7 we should make a shirt like maybe part of my take on the front and then the numbers 99 with pug as the name i think it should just be uh just or 99 99 pug in the front nothing on the back just 99 pug 99 pug is actually a good name for a brand.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Like, you could wear that, and if you know that it's part of my take, you get it.
And if you don't, it's cool.

Speaker 1 All right, we got 99 Pug merch coming. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 7 I have the take that Korean barbecue places are the worst concept of a restaurant ever made, and I'm so confused how nobody else agrees and wants it to know y'all's stance.

Speaker 1 Idiot.

Speaker 7 In my opinion, go to a restaurant for other people to cook your food because I'm too lazy to do it myself.

Speaker 7 But Korean barbecue method goes against all of these standards and forces you to pay to cook your own meat.

Speaker 7 I get it's supposed to be a social experience, but I find the whole thing to just be another form of manual labor and even worse, that I'm paying others to do the work.

Speaker 7 So now many of my friends want to have celebrations at these Korean barbecue places and I am forced to miss out on birthday dinners because I refuse to

Speaker 7 equivocate my opinion on this matter. Please help me call out big Korean barbecue than it actually is.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 here's the problem that they're missing. Because I've heard this take before.
Why would I go cook my own food? I cook my own food at home. Dishes.

Speaker 1 Dishes. You don't have to do the dishes.
Wagu. But the dishes is what the worst part about cooking at home is the dishes.

Speaker 3 What do you mean, wagu?

Speaker 7 I think the best meal I've ever had in...

Speaker 7 PFT got a little upset.

Speaker 3 I didn't understand what you were doing. What do you mean by wagu?

Speaker 1 No, no, no. Finish that thing.
It was wagu.

Speaker 7 It was a fancy ass, like, super, super nice New York Korean barbecue place. So obviously nice restaurants doesn't matter what it is.
The food's always really good.

Speaker 3 But it was, I think, the best meal I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 It's incredible.

Speaker 7 It was wagu melting your mouth.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't want to go every day, but it was.

Speaker 7 That's why when I think Korean barbecue, I think Wagu melt in your mouth. Why were you upset about Wagu?

Speaker 3 I just didn't know where he was going with that. Isn't that the whole point?

Speaker 1 They do like meat that you just have to cook for a second.

Speaker 3 You can get Wagu like anywhere now. Wagu's all over the place.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but not Wagyu. You cook yourself.
Yeah,

Speaker 7 touch it down, touch it down. Dishes is the big thing.

Speaker 3 Dishes is big, and also the sides are fantastic. And it's a social experience.
Right. You're cooking the food, you're talking about the food.
Everyone at the table is like, oh, flip it over now. Okay.

Speaker 3 He gets other conversations going. It's a fun place to go.
A lot of protein. Good place to go if you're you're on a high-protein, low-carb diet.

Speaker 1 This guy, I'll say this right now.

Speaker 1 You're going to wake up one day, 10 years from now, you'll be like, man, that was really stupid that I was that passionate about Korean barbecue.

Speaker 1 That's very fun to do and a fun thing to do with your friends. Again, not every night.
If someone said, hey, let's go to Korean barbecue every night, I'd be like, no,

Speaker 1 I don't want to cook every night, but it is fun to do.

Speaker 3 It's very fun.

Speaker 1 Wagu. Wagu.
Wagu. Dishes.
You don't have to do the dishes. Just think about how you don't have to do the dishes and it will change everything in your brain.

Speaker 3 also every time you go to korean barbecue place it's such a big crap shoot on what you're ordering yeah and how much it is get the wagu get the wagu

Speaker 7 all right last one uh

Speaker 7 because some of these aren't takes we need we need takes folks bring some takes this is a good one the playing games for march madness well it's not really uh the playing games i don't i want to spoil it i don't spoil it i want to say sucks buddy

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 7 No spoilers. The playing game for March Madness should be immediately after the bracket drops on selection Sunday.
Should be all the potential potential 11 seeds show up to play at a neutral site and

Speaker 7 get to play in. Some don't play in the middle and go home.
I love it. Games tip off 50 minutes after they play it.
Opponent 16 seeds get auto-bid into tournament and don't play in playing game.

Speaker 7 We would know the bracket right away rather than having one day in between playing games and the actual tournament.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 3 That's a fantastic idea.

Speaker 1 But it's actually, you can do this idea and not take away from the 68.

Speaker 1 It should just be the bubble. Like the last four bubble should have to play on Sunday night and then they get to play in the play-in game.

Speaker 1 So, like, because you wouldn't have been in the tournament anyway. It's a bonus game.
That would be great, because then you don't have to complain about the bubble.

Speaker 1 Although, the bubble, complaining about the bubble is very fun. But here's the thing about the bubble.
We always complain about it going up to it.

Speaker 1 And the minute the bracket's out, no one gives a fuck who didn't make the tournament.

Speaker 3 No, well, you get the residual, like, the clips of the teams that are disappointed they didn't make.

Speaker 1 But there's like a very short shelf life because everyone just wants to see the bracket. They want to put the bracket in their hands.
They want to fill out the bracket.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, Clemson didn't make it. They get maybe like two minutes from someone on the desk being like, Clemson should have been in.
Okay, who cares? Bracket.

Speaker 3 I like the idea of the bubble tournament. That's a very good idea.
And you have it in a bubble somewhere, and you're ready to go.

Speaker 3 And do you make the teams stick around to watch that aren't playing in it?

Speaker 3 So if there's every team that's like a possibility to get that seed, and they announce which four teams it's going to be in that tournament, do you make the other teams stick around and watch the other teams play for the right to go to the tournament?

Speaker 1 Wait, so the teams that didn't get in have to sit down? So, how no?

Speaker 3 How many teams is this guy saying are on the bubble during this announcement? I think it's they have to fly all of them.

Speaker 1 I think it's two games. No, no, you're right, yeah.

Speaker 3 It's two games, but you have to fly all the teams there for the announcement. Yeah.
And then those teams have to be ready to go, and

Speaker 3 they go play.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I think you have eight teams there, four teams make the game. So then the other four womp womp.
And they have to take a bus back. Yeah.
No matter where.

Speaker 3 I like that.

Speaker 1 And Frank the Tank drives.

Speaker 3 But if there's a dunk contest, and then that gives your team the right to go to the tournament.

Speaker 1 Okay, I like it. This is a good one.
That's a good take. I like that.
Because instant games would be great. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it doesn't screw up your bracket because you could do the same thing where you'll find out right after the game who's now in the play-in game.

Speaker 1 So it's like bonus games. I like that idea a lot.

Speaker 1 I also think they should play the NIT.

Speaker 1 I think they should rebrand the NIT and they should play it at like 8 a.m. on Thursday and Friday.

Speaker 3 Appetizers. As appetizers.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just ease us into some games. Yeah.
It's like two games at like 8 o'clock that you could just be like, you know what? I'm just going to get my feet wet.

Speaker 3 How many different tournaments are there now? There's the NIT, NCAA, CIT.

Speaker 8 It's only three now.

Speaker 12 CIT is done.

Speaker 12 We have the CBI.

Speaker 3 CBI.

Speaker 1 CIT is done.

Speaker 7 What about like the NJIT or something?

Speaker 3 That's the Golden Pineapple Troll.

Speaker 1 That's the name of a team.

Speaker 1 The Highlanders.

Speaker 1 I always had a soft spot for CIT and CBI because it's the whole reason I'm like, part of the reason why I'm here at Barstool and not, didn't fail out of business school was I paid way too much money for a GMAC class.

Speaker 1 And I was sitting in the G-MAC class and I was sitting in the back watching, I think it was Oregon State in a CIT game on my phone. Not a smartphone, a flip phone, checking the score.

Speaker 1 And I was like, why am I going to business school?

Speaker 1 I just want to gamble. This is business.

Speaker 3 You learned more from that business class than anybody else, though. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I used to drive by this place all the time.

Speaker 12 The CIT ended in 2019

Speaker 12 covet shut it down for 20 and 21 it was relaunched and rebranded as the basketball classic in 2022 and it lasted a year we should really

Speaker 1 we should try to do a tournament here where it's like we're not even it'd be great if we did a tournament here where we're like

Speaker 1 We're not going to broadcast it. We're not going to do anything.
We just want to gamble a little. So just like show up or don't.
A private underground. Yeah.
Show up or don't. We don't care.

Speaker 3 Cockfighting at halftime.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Winner gets to use the golf simulator.

Speaker 7 I like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 Numbers.

Speaker 1 8, 40. 18.

Speaker 1 3. 77.
99. Actually, 88 for Patrick Keane.
88. 99.
This will suck if I get 77. Fuck.
21. Put myself in the spot.
Max, do I do 77 or 88? I'm not answering that. No, come on.
Max. Pug says 77.

Speaker 1 Max, 77 or 88.

Speaker 10 Pug said 77.

Speaker 1 Max, 77 or 88.

Speaker 10 77. Pug.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm going 77. Max said it.

Speaker 3 I'll take 88.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, you dirty, dirty person.

Speaker 1 46.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, forty-six, forty-six, forty-six.

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