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We've got our good friend, Paul Bissonette. We know we promised him last week.
He was an unhealthy scratch last week. But he's here to catch up with us this week.
We also have Jay Billis, who's a recurring guest. We talked to him about court-storming college basketball.
Got a touch contentious at one point, which is fun. But we found a common ground that we can all agree on.
And we're going to talk a little combine. We have Hot Seat Cool Throne and Pardon Your Take, where listeners give us their takes.
And also Hank's number three, Patriot. I started watching last night.
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I don't know how long Peter's going to be able to hang the pen up for because I was thinking about what Peter King's job is. And that's basically he watches football.
Yep. And then he gets on the phone.
He talks to football coaches. And then he writes things that football coaches tell him.
Well, it's really a coffee column that he writes sprinkled in with occasional football anecdotes.

Yeah.

So I think that Peter is going to be walking away from doing a weekly column. It wouldn't shock me that he seems like the kind of guy that's become such close friends with enough coaches.
Peter King might just become the next biographer of football coaches. Oh, yeah.
I can see Andy Reid's biography. He's probably going to write Andy Reid's biography.
He actually, we should study Peter King in his retirement because it will probably be not exactly apples to apples when we someday hang it up, but this is like when they release a whale into the wild after it's been in captivity in a while. I didn't mean to say whale because of Peter King's weight, but it works in this analogy.
And then the whale immediately dies because I was used to just three square meals a day and sitting in my tank. So let's hope Peter King lives a long life after this and he can find happiness outside of football because we might just be staring at our future.
I'm trying to follow this analogy. So you're saying that Jim Ursa is going to pay to fly Peter King's body across the country.
Peter King's the whale. And then when Peter King hears about that, he'll die.
Yes. Okay, got it.
Yeah, I could see that. I could also see Peter King just continuing to write a column.
Yeah. To himself.
Not getting paid for it. And he's just like, I'm retired.
I don't have to do this every week. And then he just does it every week.
He just sends it out. So we've had our ups and downs of Peter King on this podcast.
Well, he still owes me money for the In-N-Out Burger. For the In-N-Out Burger.
Plus interest, plus inflation. Peter King overall seems like a nice, weird old grandfather.
And he's helped a lot of people out. He's personally helped me out throughout the years.
I did a column making fun of his column for about seven years. Yeah.
And he been overall a nice guy we had a little bit of a falling out a couple years ago but um peter seems like the game he's going to miss the game exactly as much as the game will miss him yeah and i i like peter king for the most part uh he read him i you know read his call him an SI. Let's say this about Peter King.
He was able to bring

SI to the internet better than anyone else yeah like he he made a column that was perfect for the internet where it's like what do i want to do on monday morning i don't want to work why not just read 45 minutes of peter king's thoughts him emptying his notebook online so he was actually like ahead of his time in the fact that he was able to basically take the SI mold and then put it on the internet and it worked on the internet. Yeah, there were some times I think in the last few years where Peter King maybe, I don't want to say the W word, but maybe got a little woke and decided that he was just going to take sideways shots at Barstool for no reason.
I'm just going to say, you know what? Let's take the high road on this one. Yeah.
He said he would never appear on a Barstool show again. That's right.
Not that it would be a pebble in the ocean. And that was right after.
Well, no. I was going to say that was right after I bought him a double double from In-N-Out with fries and I think maybe a milkshake and he didn't pay me back.
So that's. As a journalist, you are not to accept free meals from people.
Let's just say this. And when he drove in the bike lane.
And when he drove in the bike lane, and also when he said Darren Sharper. Yeah, Darren Sharper.
He would vote for Darren Sharper for the Hall of Fame regardless of what happened off the field, even though nobody was having the Darren Sharper Hall of Fame conversation. But if it happens, he is firmly in the condition.
You know what? If Riley Cooper was a better player, Peter King would put him in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, listen.
Yeah, Peter King, I think it was an interesting pivot to get out of paying me $12, but you pulled it off. You pulled it off, being like barstool bad, barfstool.
Barfstool. Bar with the asterisk.
One thing I always admired about Peter, though, was his ability to write a column about football

that was honestly 90% not about football.

Yeah.

It would be about, like, he was the originator.

We can actually trace the Skullfucking Airline Company's thing

that Big Cat does online.

We can trace that back in a direct line to Peter King

complaining about hotels and airlines.

Amtrak.

In his weekly football column that he would write.

And he had such a hard-on for any sort of travel inconsistency inconvenience that he would turn it into his own personal story yes in debt against these companies which then poisoned the youths of America to to think that the first thing that happens to them when when Marriott doesn't have two towels ready in their hotel room correct is to go online and complain to Marriott correct and Peter King again, hope he lives a long, beautiful life in retirement. But if his family wants to use this as eulogy, at some point he can.
They can clip this. You're free to use it.
I would say my final thought on Peter King, good for the game of football, even though he still owes me money for the in and out. You know what we should do? We should do a do haiku.
That's how he ended his columns with a haiku every week. All right.
I don't know how to do haikus. Let me start.
Five syllables. All right.
Peter King. Peter King.
That's three. Okay.
Owes. Owes.
Cash. Cash.
Peter King owes cash. I'm sorry the beer had hops.
And then is it more? thought he would cry I thought he would cry yeah I thought or died he died he killed himself Wait, wait, wait. Let me say, did you hear about Robin? That's the first one.
Yeah. Williams.
No. No.
He died. He killed himself.
Cry. So long.
So long, friends. Memes, can you put our original one that we just put out there can you make sure that's a graphic thank you alright so it is combine season we're going down to Indianapolis tomorrow we're going to have our annual sit down with Adam Schefter don't do that face Hank did a for what you don't like going to Indianapolis you You don't like Indy? It's cocktail week.
You got cocktails and cocktail sauce. You got all the horseradish you could ever.
You know what? That's what it is. We do one night.
One night. One night in Indy.
I think the shrimp cocktail is so spicy that Hank is afraid of the entire city. Is that actually the worst porn title ever? One night in Indy? Yeah.
I think it might be. One night in Indy.
I'm excited. Yeah.
so we're going to have our annual Adam Schefter interview. Oh, he's shaking his head.
I also heard we might have, I would say I won't say she. I'll say he or she.
I don't want to give it away. The number one reporter this year, as of late February, if they decided to pull it to right now, she would win it.
Or he. Or he.
For her reporting on Max Tussauds. I will not be attending this interview.
Yeah, you will. Actually, she's taking the mantle from Peter King about complaining about travel.
Yeah. Yeah.
So it's going to be fun. We're going to go down to the combine.
We had a bunch of coaches talk today. Do we see anything? The combine does feel like it's reached its final iteration of just like being everything sold out i saw the no bull uh warm-up zone uh-huh that has it fully branded it's pretty yeah everyone i some players were complaining they're like we used to have to run in the hallways of hotels and yeah it is no bull it is crazy to think that just like 30 years ago of noble there.
There would be nobody at all at the combine. It was like scouts.
It was a time and an era when. Well, it was necessary then.
Yeah. So scouts, coaches, assistant coaches, they would look at this as being like a little midwinter break where we get to just get away from the family for a little bit and get hammered in Indy and go out and there's no reporters, nobody talking to us.
It's our vacation that we take and we tell our families like, oh yeah, big work trip coming up. Now it's become like another spectacle that the NFL has where I'm shocked that the NFL hasn't moved it from Indy yet.
It seems like they've been talking about it. Like Goodell has floated a bunch of little trial balloons out there being like, well, we might move it to Vegas.
We might move it somewhere else. It's not good as an entertainment event.
It's not entertainment event it's not though yeah it's not it's very very not a spectacle they're just trying to make it one no it's not a spectacle you go to the same restaurants you sit at the same tables you drink the same amount of beers and you have the same conversations with the same people once a year every year which is fun it can be fun but it's not like fans go there and they're wowed by what they see yeah yeah so what were the some of the quotes i saw sean payton he's he might be online uh because he had a quote that said uh i saw this humorous meme the other day where there's a bronco fan with a shirt on and there's like eight quarterback names with a cross through it and he's drinking the quarterback kool-aid our job is to make sure the next one doesn't have a line through it so that's i mean we already knew russell wilson was gone but that was he basically was like there's a line to russell wilson yeah uh ryan poles got in front of the media and did not tip his hand other than saying if we trade justin fields we'll make sure that he's in a good spot like a rehoming a rehoming yeah we'll make a nice farm upstate where he has plenty of room to run exactly they won They won't ask him to use his arm that much. I saw that the commanders are aggressively pursuing the number one pick.
Oh. I also heard a rumor today.
I don't know. I probably won't say this on the air.
That we're considering a quarterback that might have some history in D.C. Kirk Cousins.
Which would be fantastic for the show. It would be fantastic.
That's all I'm going to say. That's actually the end of that sentence.
I wasn't going to say anything at all after that. That would be fantastic for the show.
Also, shout out Brandon Beeney. He had one of my favorite quotes today, which was just pure honesty.
I just like whenever a guy just gives an honest take. He said about the Josh Allen pick, he said, if he doesn't work out, I'm not going to be here anyway.
And if he does work out, nobody's going to give a shit. Yep.
That's how every GM should act. Yes.
Like seeing a guy throw in person. You can see him at his pro day.
Yeah. You've got a lot of tape on him.
I don't think that one night in Indy isn't going to make that much of a difference. One night in Indy.
Where do you go with this quarterback? Not my favorite jerk off. There was another report.
I read this to you guys before we went on the air. Big Dom was interviewed.
interviewed yes by a reporter uh i don't know if he wants me to name him but he is a reputable reporter asked big dom about our interaction in vegas when i saw big dom uh out on the town oh this isn't public it's not it's not public he said to me he said you were just screaming his name he was sweaty and drunk and i think high but he was a cool dude that's a big nailed it that's big dom's recap of the interaction i gotta say big dom should be a reporter because those are facts also we have followed up with big dom um read that quote again the end of it okay it's it let's see he said regarding his interaction with pft commenter he was sweaty and drunk and i think hi but he was a cool dude okay so turns out that uh the interview that pft secured in that moment is not legally binding maybe not well no i was under the influence i yeah unless big dom was on it's true i think the only big mushrooms he was under would come on a cheese steak he was smart enough to be like yeah i'll just say i'll go on and then i'll never have to see this guy again probably actually we still will try to get him but we've made our first attempt and it came back nothing well so i saw i saw big dom uh later for mark davis uh mark davis definitely there's because we got to act quick or else he's gonna forget i hope there's just one person in the raiders facility who like every day just puts it on his to-do list and he just passes right over it's like do that interview with those two with those two weird guys that tried to stalk you. Just put it on the calendar.
Yeah, put it on the calendar. We'll just show up.
We will show up. We will go.
That's a promise that we will go in person if Mark Davis agrees to an interview. We need what? You think six hours notice? Yeah.
If that. If that.
Secure a boarding place for Blake. Well, we got to get.
Also, Hank only flies first class now. now that's true so we'd have to make sure there's first class tickets and we got to stop by taco bell to get max some stuff before he flies but we're there six hours yeah there's plenty of max you want to tell the story that you told me the other day about your taco bell adventure oh it's a very funny story oh yeah funny story.
Oh, yeah. It's a good Max story.
This week, Saturday was my girlfriend and I's two-year anniversary. Nice.
Congratulations, Max. Yep.
One night in Indy? No. I had a couple of bad friends.
I thought you were doing my last Saturday. I was like, you spent it by watching Villanueva.
That is correct. Oh, it was.
Oh, it was this Saturday. This is the same night.

Oh, okay.

Well, again, we've told the story, but your first date with her was when Jay Wright stepped

down, so she's expecting this.

Yeah, yeah.

So I got home.

I FaceTimed her.

After the UConn-Villanova game.

After the UConn-Villanova game.

Oh, my God.

Nothing like a nice romantic.

Oh, my God.

A romantic post-Villanova FaceTime loss. Beatdown.
I ordered Taco Bell. For her? No.
Well, I ended up ordering it to her apartment instead of mine. So you did.
Oh, no. So while we were FaceTiming, I don't necessarily remember this conversation.
I had a couple beverages. She was like...
A couple means two.

Yep.

She was like,

yeah, you just played it off.

You got me Taco Bell

for an anniversary.

She would probably

take offense to that

because you probably got

like 17 for Taco Bell.

That's true.

It was a grilled cheese burrito

and a cheesy gordita crunch.

Good order.

So then the first one

gets there

and then 20 minutes later she gets another knock at her door. You tried to order it again.
I tried to order it for myself after the first one was hers. So she got the same order twice.
Did you go for three? Sunday morning, I did end up ordering that order. The fact that she, I assume she took that okay because she knows you very well no she liked it she's a keeper that's ride or die to have double on Taco Bell on your anniversary show it's the most romantic gift you could get a woman well to be fair I got her it was because it was on Uber Eats almost anything I sent her flowers the morning, so it was the most recent address on my Uber Eats.
A true romantic. Yes, yes.
Did you get her anything to drink? No. But yesterday I was talking to her, and she was like, by the way, I threw out one of those grilled cheese burritos.
Oh, no. Were you hurt? How could you throw out a love present like that? There's no worse feeling in the world than ordering something that you're very excited for, and you wait, and you wait, and then it goes to the wrong place.
Yeah. That's such a bad, bad feeling.
Yeah, I didn't need it. I didn't need it at that moment, though.
I'm happy. I didn't get it.
Yeah, you're lighter for it. That's good, though.
You got all the... Oh, I didn't get it that Sunday morning.
You got all the endorphins of ordering Taco Bell. But you didn't get it yeah you're lighter for it that's good though you got all the get it that's sunday morning you got all the endorphins of ordering taco bell but you didn't

get the calories exactly it was perfect that's the idea for a new app yeah just sends your worst

your least healthy orders to the wrong address on purpose that actually did no or just you order it

but it just never comes yeah that's like my idea for the for uh a gambling app where you put in

your bet and it just reverses it without telling you you order it but it goes to a food bank

Thank you. comes yeah that's like my idea for the for a gambling app where you put in your bet and it just reverses it without telling you you order it but it goes to a food bank yeah by accident yeah every time yeah um okay hank do you want to give us your number three patriot so i watched the first three episodes and i have to agree with you hank or maybe it was jerry thornton's blog.
That was very bizarre. The yada yada.
They spent all this time on Bill Parcells and Drew Bledsoe, and they're like, and we got addicted to winning, and then we won two more. I was like, wait, what? Yeah, when Teddy Bruschi's like, you know, the first time somebody mentioned the word dynast to me, it was like a narcotic.
Yeah. My eyes got wide.
That's the only thing i was focused on then we beat the panthers and then we won another super bowl against the eagles it all and that that was all that you had from that it also would have been nice there's so much lore yeah they also would have been nice if they had gotten maybe a little more into like the game plan of the super bowl that they beat the rams because like that was a pretty crazy upset Mike Bart's looking fat yeah he's a bit older

and it's slanted because even in that, they brought Mike Martz on just to be like, well, they're being cheap. They were doing the little hold them and foul them.
They're not going to call it. But you have to know that this whole entire documentary is so that Bob Kraft can get into the Hall of Fame.
How would he not get in the Hall of Fame? Well, he's not yet. I don't think they just let owners in very often.
I mean, Jerry Jones had to wait a while. He wants to get in the Hall of Fame before he passes.
He has six Super Bowls. I understand, but Jerry Jones didn't get in the Hall of Fame until what, two years ago? To me, this tells me that Robert Kraft has acknowledged the fact that the Patriots will not make another Super Bowl in the next five years,

and his only way to chase that glory is to have this documentary made get into the Hall of Fame. The behind-the-scenes stuff is cool.
Seeing young Brady is crazy. You just think of him as like...
I love his roommate, like the stories when he was just like, he was a psycho. Yeah, also the best moment in the first three episodes is when he told brady told the story about after winning the super bowl and belichick got in the car and was like you had a pretty good year yeah yeah that was his way that was awesome congrats also what a psycho brady was to live with as like a rookie when he was playing tecmo tecmo bowl and he would just unplug the entire system if he was losing.
Genuine psychopath that loves winning. Also, he's got a lot more hair now.
That's interesting, I thought. He's better looking.
Yeah, it's kind of crazy. Yeah.
So, Hank, with that said, number three. Number three, you just mentioned him a couple times.
Heart and soul of the defense.

Although there are so many good defensive players on that team.

We've got Jules at number four.

And then your defensive player is going to be Italian.

Inspirational.

Is he Italian?

I think so.

Comeback player of the year 2005.

I remember thinking he was never going to play again when he had his medical issues, and he came back one player, comeback player of the year. Legend, Teddy Bruschi.
Teddy Bruschi. Oh, yeah.
He's Italian. I don't know why.
Real perverted. Yeah.
Bedonia, Italy. He's from Italy? No, his paternal grandparents.
Oh, his mother is of Filipino ancestry. Oh, interesting.
Yeah. Yeah, old time name.
I have a lot of people getting mad at me for this list already, and I would just like to say I don't care. This is my list.
Sounds like you might care a little if you have to address them. Are the people that are getting mad at you your friends that you debated with? Are the people getting mad at you? Yeah.
Are they in this room with you right now? No, no. It's just people online being like, this person's not honored of this risk.
Well, tune in, you'll find out. The list is subjective, and it's my favorite Patriots.
It is awesome that a Patriots player was named Brewski. Just like, you get all the fans chanting that.
Ooh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, they do it all the time, but I just remember when they beat the Dolphins in the snow, and he got a pick six, and they started throwing the snow.
Yeah. All-time vibes.
What about honorable mention? Ooh. You don't have one? This is the easiest task.
Kevin Falk. Okay.
You remember when Kevin Falk beat up that kid at LSU? That was awesome. Yeah.
Kevin Falk was awesome. Another, like, the Cam Newton thing.
Another, hey, maybe don't try to fight professional athletes. I would say, actually, Kevin Falk and Cam Newton are very, very high up on the list of any professional athlete that you don't want to fuck with.
Really, really bad idea. Legend.
On the team forever. Mr.
Consistent. Yep.
Okay, anything else before we do Hot C, Cool Throne? Any more white guys you want to shout out? Kevin Falk, notyle long shout out kyle long just cuz i he replied in a weird tweet when they posted the chris long quote what'd he say it was just like a gif i didn't understand it but shout out to him oh okay well she was a patriot made you think yeah yeah he could have been thinking could have been a patriot um okay let's do hot seat cool throne then we got double interviews for the people uh hot seat cool thrones brought to you by our friends at coors light hot seat cool thrones presented by coors light from day-to-day annoyances to the big stuff life throws your way it's easy to get worked up but there's a better way a chiller way turn that canceled concert into a parking lot dance party too cold for an ocean swim play volleyball and light a bonfire instead that's choosing chill and when you choose chill reach for a coors light when the mountains turn blue it's as cold as the rockies when you choose to rise above it all choose chill choose coors light get coors light delivered straight to your door with instacart by going to coors light.com slash take celebrate responsibly Coors Brewing Company, Golden Colorado, Coors Light, the most delicious beer in the world. Hank, your hot seat, cool throne.
My hot seat is the Masters Field. Uh-oh.
Okay. Brooks' teammate on Smash, Taylor Gooch, was interviewed because he does not have any exemptions to majors because he hasn't won one, and he didn't get an invite to the Masters.
So he was interviewed about it, and he said, there's going to be an asterisk. It's just a reality.
That Taylor Gooch was. Taylor Gooch will always remember as the Masters that didn't have Taylor Gooch.
The Gooch-less Masters. Okay.
Is he the only good like that you would think of that's not going to

be in it there's a couple but i mean a lot of i think there's like 12 or 13 live guys they had joaquin neiman like got invited because the masters can invite whoever they want you just dropping names joaquin uh real dimple head the masters the masters can invite whoever they want yeah so they could invite you yeah they could i could i could play in the master they should invite you. So that's where he kind of even has

less of a hill to stand on

because... The Masters can invite whoever they want.
Yeah. They could invite you.
Yeah. I could play in the Masters.
They should invite you.

So that's where he kind of even has less of a hill to stand on.

Less of a hill to stand on.

I like that.

Is that high ground?

Yeah.

Hill to die on.

Okay, yeah.

Soapbox to stand on.

Less of a point to stand on.

Yeah.

I guess hill to stand on.

That works.

I mean, I'm not a world-renowned smart person. You can wait until the Jay Billis interview where he tries to just cut me up with words.
I hate that. Yeah.
I hate words. I felt like you.
Is Charlie invited? No. He should be.
Well, then an asterisk. I agree with Taylor Gooch.
John Daly? I don't think so. I think his exemptions, but he had, he's not, you know, whatever it is,

top 100, top 50, and he definitely hasn't won a major in a recent enough time.

Asterix.

Sure, yeah, Taylor Gooch.

If Taylor Gooch was there, he would, that's a massive,

Augusta's a par 67.

It's just tough when people then they post his records in majors and it's like.

Didn't show.

Yeah.

But it is kind of like, that's the dream is to just like have that big of an excuse built in for why you're not there. It's like, they're afraid of me.
It would rock. But also 13 live players.
It would rock if Max won the Masters this year. Yeah.
I don't think he won the match. He didn't.
Oh, he didn't win the match. Who do you play against? Rory.
Rory, Lexi Thompson, and Rose Zhang. However, Max got closest to the pin on one of the par threes, which means $100,000 to charity.
Good job, Max. Oh, nice.
Good guy, Max. Yep.
We should get credit for that as well. Yeah.
Just that $100,000 is coming from Max and us. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Okay.
We have donated $100,000 to charity. Yeah.
Cool. It's wrong.
Cinema. Oh.
Cinema's back. Oh.
An American saga. Kevin Costner apparently funded this movie himself.
He couldn't get backing for it, so he took the money, made it the movie himself. I saw reports months ago or almost longer ago that he was putting it out.
It's going to be four movies, which seems excessive. That's homework.
They put the trailer out. Are they coming out all at once, or are they coming out year by year? No, it's smart.
I think it's end of June, end of August. Oh, I'm kind of into that.
The trailer looks so good. What's it called? I watched the trailer, An American Saga, Kevin Costner.
Horizon, maybe? I just watched the trailer. Hank had me look it up.
It follows the theme of Kevin Costner. Oh, it's Horizon American Saga.
Where Kevin Costner has just turned his entire life into making movies where he gets to ride horses. And so he's just lived in Wyoming, Utah, Montana, and he just only does films that are based in those locations.
Which is the dream. Yellowstone's got a little bit of the drama and kind of like the, this looks like just a straight, straight Western.
Okay. Yes.
I'm in. I like a good Western.
Yeah. I mean, I've watched a show like six times.
Looks amazing. Whoa.
Cinema's back. And apparently Dune 2 is good, but I don't know.
What? I know. But for people at home, what is Dune? It is a science fiction movie.
What is it about? It's a sequel of a remake. Was it a video game? I think they did make a video game at some point about it.
Okay. That's one of those ones that I just have missed every single piece of it.
So when I see Dune 2, I'm like, they're still doing it? I always thought that they're saying Doom 2, which I'm all in for. Doom was a video game.
Doom was a great video game. Yeah.
All right. That's where the confusion is.
Uh-huh. Doom, the BFG 9000.
Okay. That makes sense.
Dune is back again. I'll see it soon.
How many are there? This is the second one. Oh.
I think it's the last one. Oh, okay.
Good. Am I going to be lost if I watch Dune 2 and have not seen Dune the original or Dune the new one? You should watch the new one, I think.
I'm sure everyone already remembers this, but Dune was the reason I blew my back out originally. Oh, that's right.
Yeah. I remember that.
I don't. This is the one.
Oh, yeah. This is a movie with Baby Yoda, right? Yeah.
Groku. Yeah.
But some say that. Roku.
Roku the Baby Yoda. Will I be lost if I never watch any of the Dunes? No, I think it'll be fine.
Okay. So I'm going to.
You haven't even seen Star Wars. Correct.
So. I think there's lots of walking in Dune.
Oh, what? I'll just watch Frank Walks. By the way, watch Frank Walks today.
Very special guest. Very special guest.
Frank Walks. You guys? No.
Better. Bleep it out.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It's going to be an awesome walk.
Next up. Well, bleep that out too.
Because that will give away the first one. Okay, good job.
Hot seat, cool throne. Thanks.
Good job, Hank. Thanks.
My hot seat is Wendy's customers. Wendy's fast food customers.
This is crazy. Wendy's is toying with the idea of surge pricing on their menu.
Actually, they're not toying with it. They are going to implement surge pricing in an experiment to see if they can get away with charging people more money during heavy usage hours.
So in other words- Max would be. I kind of like this.
Lunch and dinner. Why would you like this? Okay, I have a question.
Because will it work both ways or can it only go up? So if it goes down at weird times, that's cool. It should just be their normal menu prices and then they dip in rough times.
But no, they're going to raise the prices during heavy usage. In Madison, State Street Brats used to do stock market night, where if everyone's buying a Coors Light, the price goes up for a Coors Light.
If no one's buying a Rumpelmint, the price goes down. It was awesome.
You just watch the big board, and you're like, oh, shit. Rumpelmint shots are 50 cents right now.
Go up and buy it, and then it goes back up.

But if that's what they're doing, I'm in.

Because then you can get some great deals.

I think it's just about how many people are going to be there.

Yeah, then that's bullshit.

They're not going to drop it down.

This stinks.

They're just going to charge more money.

And I don't think they're going to have it be like, oh, the Baconator is reduced in price at this time.

The spicy chicken sandwich.

But you agree that would rule.

I think it'd be cool if they just kept the prices and dropped them at like 3 o'clock in the afternoon.

But just keep them at the dinner time, rush hour. The prices go up.
But if you're like Max and you're thinking about getting a lovely present for your girlfriend. And it's 2 a.m.
and Villanova just got the shit kicked out of them by Yukon. boom, a Baconator is $1.25.
Yeah. I'm just not on board with this because it feels like there's a slippery slope.
Yeah. If Wendy's is the one, correct me if I'm wrong, but Wendy's hasn't been killing it recently, right? Have you ever seen Wendy? The person? Yeah.
Like the ginger? Yeah. The logo? I've seen the logo.
Who is like the derivative? Like the, because it's Dave Thomas's granddaughter? Yeah. Are you talking about the actual Wendy? Yeah.
Yeah, I have seen her. Very handsome.
Yeah. Very handsome young lady.
She is. Tough.
Good thing they did the cartoon. My cool throne.
Bonkless. No, that's not my own.
That's anti-bonk. Hank.
That's a massage. It's a fucking child, and she was tough to look at.
She'd be a great rugby player. I think she grew up to be fine looking, but yeah.
They did the cartoon well. He's like, my daughter loves hamburgers so much, I'm going to put her as the logo of the hamburger place.
She's like a softball catcher. A lot power life wendy oh well no i'm not i'm talking about yeah yeah there you go that's not the bonk list hank please take me off right now i think they screwed up the pantone uh i think they did they took some liberties yeah they took a lot of liberties uh my cool throne is uganda yes because Last Chance Uganda, the football portion, is premiering tonight, Wednesday at 8 p.m.
Eastern. You can find it on the Wonton Don's YouTube page.
This is Billy and Donnie coaching the Uganda national football team. Sponsored by Pardon My Cheese Steak.
Sponsored by Pardon My Cheese Steak in their upcoming bout at the time against Kenya. Who knows what happened? I think we all forgot by this time.
But they have a game against Kenya, so this is Billy and Donnie meeting the team, meeting the administrators of the Uganda Football Federation and installing whatever semblance of offense they tried to install. I'm excited.
I saw Donnie tweet because we had the combine yesterday and Billy was doing Billy things across the board. Yeah, it was a banner day for Billy.
And he replied to to one of the clips and said it seems like Billy's turned himself into the villain of the Barstool combine however I'm trying to make him the hero of last chance Uganda and this is not helping the Billy tweet so the combine was yesterday if you didn't watch we have it all you can watch it anywhere on the Barstool sports main channels uh I'm very sore from it. Billy tweeted afterwards, or today,

realizing working yourself up into a stimulant-driven manic state in order to shave milliseconds off a 35-yard dash

and get extra reps of 135 pounds on the bench press

was really not worth it because you come off as an absolute asshole

to everyone around you, and you become a person

you kind of really don't want to be.

There was no punctuation in that, so I did read that correctly.

And then I just saw one person reply what about paintball good point no i billy's excuse list so far has included the fact that he took too many stimulants beforehand which i will defend billy on uh he did absolutely take way too many stimulants before and during the combine uh the other excuse that was my favorite maybe my favorite billy excuse of all time and god knows we've heard a lot of them after the bench press how many did billy put up like 40 which is a pretty impressive he said he said he was gonna 50 or he died 50 or die he said if i don't get 50 shoot me yeah um so he did 40 and then after he got done he was so mad his excuse His excuse was it was too light. Too light.
It was too light. If the weight had been heavier, he would have been able to demonstrate his strength more because other people would not have been able to lift as much.
Correct. And so then he would have gotten more reps than Will Compton.
And he also, in the vertical, when you have to test your vertical and you get it set to a certain height by raising your arm over your head. He said he couldn't raise his arm all the way because of his shoulder and then continued to do the vertical and raise his arm as high as he possibly could and then before the QB portion was like doing windmills with his shoulder.
Well, we saw the impact that the shoulder had on his throwing accuracy. Yeah, that's true.
Which is true. Yeah, my second favorite Billy clip from the combine yesterday was when he was attempting to do the vertical, and he was mad because we tried to tell him you have to lift your hand all the way up.
You have to straighten your arm, which everyone did. And so then he jumped up in the air, and he knocked the entire device over, the measuring device, and then it hit the ground, and then he blamed Francis for not catching it.
Yeah. It was a banner day.
It was a tremendous day for Billy football content. But I do think that last chance uganda is going to be awesome it's a great storyline that they have going over there teaching uganda football players how to play football and all the stuff behind the scenes and anything donnie does auto click for me yep my favorite graphic we've ever made yep i will post it again today it's it's very very good it's just so funny i'm excited and the fact that we've got in chees to africa yeah yeah that's why we started the cheesesteak business we should have just taken all the footage and then done our own interviews like we're bob craft to make us look good oh that's what we should have done yeah we should have um but yeah very excited to watch last chance uganda all right my hot seat is ice cream but not really ice cream it's clay travis so uh joe biden likes ice cream and this is not to get political because is that a code name like pizza no it's not uh i guess he was eating ice cream while talking about the middle east which yeah probably not like the appropriate time but whatever he's eating ice cream uh i like this because clay has obviously he's very heavy into politics and whenever someone who's heavy into politics they can make one little mistake where they're like show that they're so out of touch with regular America.
They get high on their own supply sometimes. Right.
It's, you know, what was it? Whenever someone was a Ted Cruz at the basketball goal. Yeah.
Something like that. That's what ring ring.
Yeah. So Clay tweeted Joe Biden eating ice cream while answering reporter questions about serious issues.
Isn't charming. It's super weird.
Do you know grown men who go get ice cream by themselves? I don't. It's very strange.
Yeah, I do. All the time.
I do quite a bit. Literally all the time.
I get ice cream. I'm going to do that as a protest tonight.
I'm going to get ice cream by myself. I get it twice a week.
When I'm on vacation, I get it it every day that's my rule um ice cream by yourself is ice cream stores yeah if i see an ice cream store just pop it pint guys dude i used to go when we lived in new york and i was in dumbo in brooklyn there was like probably four ice cream trucks that would just sit on various corners and i'd be like oh i gotta go take stella out go get a fucking cone by myself yeah ice cream rocks there is a place called the ice cream store too yeah i hit that up quite a bit but this is like i thought it was going to be stay out of the ice cream takes okay because grown men do like to eat ice cream by themselves it was it one of those things where it's like a cone so it's phallic it's like why are you as a man sucking down a cone of ice i love ice cream cones he also wasn't by himself he was with a bunch of people because i because I don't think Joe Biden can go anywhere by himself. Well, he might wander off.
Legally, he's not allowed to. And then Clay Travis had to basically, everyone was like, dude, what's wrong with ice cream? Why are you going after ice cream? And he, on his radio show today, started the sentence, I'm not claiming that I'm anti-ice cream.
That's it, dude. If you have to say that, you're anti-ice're anti-ice cream yeah no if you said that you're on the losing side of an argument yeah if you have to start a political radio show with i'm not claiming to be anti-ice cream you're anti-ice cream so it was it was his gripe that he was eating ice cream at the wrong time because if so i can't imagine a president talking about some sort of middle east foreign policy while doing a leisurely activity and then ending it with something like, now watch this drive.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, the fact of the matter is when you're president, you just get asked questions. And you just do it.
Yeah, you do your regular things. I'm sure that there have been some presidents, LBJ probably, that have done press conferences or phone calls while taking a shit.
Yeah. You're always on the phone.
Oh, LBJ was a notorious shit guy. Big, big shit guy.
Yeah, no, it's not... I don't, again, not getting into politics.
I don't know even... I didn't even play the clip to see what President Biden was talking about.
I am just focusing solely on the, do you know grown men who get ice cream by themselves? I don't. It's very strange.
No, you're strange. Yeah, that is strange.
You're strange. William Howard Taft used to eat ice cream during every single State of the Union address.
Was he the guy who got stuck in the tub? He is, yeah. Yeah.
Because it was filled with ice cream. How about that? How about being a president of the United States and everyone just remembers you as stuck in the tub guy? I'd much rather be known as the guy that died in like 28 days.
Yeah, or the guy who got his brains blown out in Dallas. Yeah, match up that was like hank hanks revel would tweet out the clip but he would own a piece of the tub yeah dude getting stuck in it but like think about how well known that story has to be that it survived what how long ago was he present like 100 years ago you know what yeah it's stuck in a fucking tub it survives so much out of the tub? That I almost think it might not be true.
Your little penis is there because you got, you know, tub water and he's, oh man, someone's got to come just fucking suck you out of the tub. All right.
So I'm looking this up right now because it seems like a story that's been talked about so much that it might be fake. No, don't do that.
If it is fake, if you find out it's fake, do not tell me it's fake. I'll just say that if it happens to be fake, whoever started that rumor, great job.
If that's your rival and you get elected president and then you're like, how do I ruin this guy's legacy? You crack the code. He's stuck in tub guy.
You figured out how to do it. I thought you were going to say with Joe Biden that he was eating an ice cream cone in a weird way because when it's primary season, the like aids for every single person that is running for president they've got like two rules which are like don't eat a corn dog yeah don't eat ice cream because people just photoshop penises on yeah stay away from state fairs i know hunter seems to really like the uh the funnel cake powder quite a bit but stay out of state fairs no he wasn't eating it weird um you know You know, Joe Biden does have like, every time he eats an ice cream cone, I feel like right before he starts eating it, he's got to remind himself like, is this a child's hair I'm going to sniff or an ice cream cone? But other than that, it was normal.
Yeah. It's also funny that Clay wakes up every morning and he just sees what Joe Biden's doing.
He's like, okay, I know what I'm going to talk about. Yeah.
cream it's like skip bayless with lebron right this guy's eating ice cream i can't believe it by himself i ice cream rocks no one should be shamed at any point for eating ice cream ever that's a fact i agree maybe maybe joe biden can't digest solid foods that too well he had a cone i don he finish it? We never saw it. We didn't see it.
No. All right.
My cool throne is the Knicks and Tom Thibodeau getting the Knicks to the point of they're like the 90s Knicks again. Did you see that clip last night? Dante DiVincenzo just doing a full form tackle.
It was great. It was like Sean Taylor in the pro ball.
Yeah. It was fantastic.
The Knicks are, I mean, it be fun to see the Knicks in the in the playoffs I think the Knicks are one of those teams that they should be like maybe it's just 90s basketball in my head they should try to just foul people really hard instead of playing good basketball and they do play good basketball Isaiah Thomas like I wouldn't go in the paint if I were you yeah that's right that should be their motto for sure the the refs did apologize to Monty Williams after the game they said yeah we blew, we blew that call. We screwed it up.
Which is that if you're a fan and the refs say we screwed up this call, sorry. To me, that's almost worse.
Way worse. It's like I don't want to hear that.
I want you to double down on being a shithead so I can be mad at you. Just never saw it.
Now I'm like, oh, you're apologizing to me, but that still doesn't affect anything. Right.
Right. I'd agree.
All right, Jake, finish us off. Hot seat, cool to Ron.
My hot seat hot seat is john rom he is reportedly being ghosted by tiger woods as rom is trying to reach out to him to explain his live decision oh what do you mean why doesn't he just text tiger woods a bunch of like dollar bill signs boom he explained it so he says that uh rory's been supportive publicly in my decision and he was privately as well. But he said, I mean, Tiger.
I texted him, and the people that try to reach out, you know, the process when I signed it, just let them know, hey, you know, this is a personal decision. I have nothing against anybody.
But apparently he has not heard back from Tiger. He should just text him some nudes.
Yeah. I feel like Tiger's a change his phone number a lot guy.
Yeah. Tiger's probably like a five or six cell phone guy, if that makes sense.
Yeah. That has to be tough, just texting Tiger.
Why does Jon Rahm care? I mean, I know, I get it, Tiger, but dude, you did it for the money. He's trying to not burn the bridges, I guess.
Yeah, but if you're going to make a decision like that, you can't go into it being like, hope everyone likes it. Yeah, so you're if you're john rom how many millions of dollars is tiger responding to your text messages worth well how much did he sign for 500 million i heard that's way more i heard it might have been more than that i don't know so i think it's okay yeah if you lost if you lost texting privileges with tiger woods for 500 million dollars sign me up yeah there's been some lawsuits out there where the exact opposite scenario is.
Yes, yes. All right, and your cool throne? My cool throne is Maction.
We're getting more Maction because UMass is getting added, which means more games during weeknights. Back in it.
You were in the MAC, yeah. Sorry, yes.
But that means more weeknight football, eventually. Yeah.
I think it's everything except for lacrosse, right? I saw all sports. I heard it was men's and women's lacrosse staying behind.
But that's good. Either way, big deal.
If you've got to pick a conference to go into, the Sunbelt and the MAC are the two ones you want to be in right now. MAC is the only conference that doesn't, like, they stay steady.
Yeah. They're not getting picked off left and right.
They're steady Eddie. If you you're not a power conference school why wouldn't you want to be in the mac with the way they get the standalone spots every year yeah yeah if you're not a power conference school i'd want to be in the mac or like the mountain west right i saw somebody tweet out the graphic we talk about it every year or every time uh was it uconn plays against UMass? Yeah.
Where the graphic shows just come. Come ass? C-U-M, come ass.
Now it's Central Michigan. Oh, nice.
When that matchup happens, that's the come ass game. Nice.
Okay. Excited about that.
That is exciting. We get to keep the come ass game.
Mark your calendars. Yeah.
What? It's come ass. Come ass.
It's come ass. Yeah, it's come ass.
It's K-Mass. K-Mass.
It's K-Mass. Yeah, it's K-Mass.
It's not exactly the same, because Connecticut's CU, Central Michigan is... It's just C.
The logo is just C. Oh, yeah, it is.
Yeah, it's K-Mass. Yeah, yeah.
Okay. Yeah, that's right.
C, just C. Connecticut's just C.
Yeah. Yeah, that's fun.
That's where we get to keep it. Okay, let's get to our interviews.
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And now here's Biz Nasty. Okay, we now welcome on one of our best friends, recurring guest.
He did cancel on us last week we want to know why it is paul bisnet biz why'd you cancel on us last week i was just so gas and i just wasn't feeling good you know when you like have been going so hard you're just but your body just needs to sleep for a few days yeah i think i think for three days in a row, I was doing 12 hours of sleep. I just kind of needed it.
Sometimes I crash. And I was actually watching a YouTube interview.
Who's the guy who was an Oppenheimer? Cillian Murphy. Yeah.
He was saying, I just need to sleep sometimes. And I just kind of crash.
And I was like, you know what? That's me. Wait, wait.
You wait wait you were out with being tired wait hold on you needed Cillian Murphy to tell you that sleep is good no but I'm saying that it's just got to a point where like I think I was going too hard and traveling a lot different time zones to where I'm like ah I remember when I got up I'm like I'll be shit if I go on like I my brain can't even function. I'd be useless.
And you guys got Yanz on and he played with Yager. Yager just had his jersey retirement.
I feel like the stars align. So who gives a shit? That's true.
I know. I didn't take it personal.
I just was, you know, the AWLs love you. They love you.
So they were like, where's biz? We were promised biz. Well, I tell you what, I was a healthy scratch plenty of times in my days, and Yans would always step up as a teammate, and here you go.
He did once again, and you guys got some incredible Yager stories and a fresh new voice on the PMT podcast. Unless, has he been on? He's been on.
Yeah, he's been on. Okay, he's a reoccurring guest now.
Well, he deserves it because he's the man. He a great guy but so why were you so gassed what did you do you worked just a lot of traveling a lot of games a lot of double headers like our double headers on tnt sometimes go to like two in the morning and then you're just you're you know it's just a lot i don't know fuck i'm human you know yeah you are human all right so want to talk a little hockey also just wanted to catch up with you because we miss you.
I love you guys. First question, I was accused Hank said that on Sunday night's show that the Blackhawks are – Chicago's a bad sports town because there was some cheering for Patrick Kane's overtime winner.
In the moment, I wish I had brought up the fact that he was the biggest Bucs fan ever when Tom Brady was on the Bucs. But you watched that night.
I was there. It was incredible.
What did you think? I mean, Patrick Kane's one. He's showtime.
He's incredible. I think it was one of the best nights in hockey history, well, at least since I've been alive.
Chris Chalios played 27 years pro, and just the whole ceremony, him coming out in that classic car with his mom all of the legends and celebrities he brought into that building the energy must have been insane i mean you were a lot of attendance and you know we you guys often joke will compton all the football guys joke about how the nfl scripted it almost feels like it will invent it yeah yeah that's another thing he came up with oh he invented yeah he came up with that it went super viral he's a smart guy fucking right it's man good for he's on a heater lately especially with the the all black and all white football team we don't need to go into that nor you get it canceled today uh but the fact that it ended up being against detroit where patrick kane has landed and what he and that core group of guys meant to that city during that dynasty and for them to be there and then for Chelly to acknowledge them during his speech too like Chelios is all clash and class excuse me and you know he's a guy's guy through and through I just thought that that ending was just so fitting and for me from from a hockey day in America perspective to it being hockey day in America, it just was the perfect storybook ending. And he said it, Patrick Kane's going to go down when he retires as the best American-born player of all time.
I still think that there's potential room for Matthews to maybe overtake that throne because I see him on the trajectory he's on having the most goals all time but for now let's give Patrick Kane his flowers and I don't give a fuck if you know if you're rooting for the for the Red Wings what he did for the city of Chicago he deserves for you to give him a tire pump after burying you guys yeah and all he's doing is giving you guys another first overall pick yeah that's the thing if the blackhawks were in like a race for the playoffs it would be different but they they're the worst team in the nhl and yeah it was it was a special night like the the the cane double ovation like he he had to come back out on the ice because no one would sit down i got a little misty-eyed because he's just it's just that tight i was explaining on sunday like when you have a guy who always comes through in the clutch there's just something special about it that you'll just always root for him I'm obviously not a Blackhawks fan or and wasn't a Patrick Kane fan when I was playing from a sense of like the competition perspective but the respect was there but the amount of times in in key moments that he was able to step up and score but not only just score but then like go down the ice get on his knees make the heart and then punch a fucking hole through it the heartbreaker celebration like and even the one the other night like being like showtime baby showtime and how he's able to move his hands really fast like kind of doing like you know how he does with his hands he's like come on baby come on yeah he's just he's a he's a legend through and through and

uh it was such a cool moment and he is uh he's all time man he's a first ballot hall of famer

it was cool seeing all the players that were out there all the stars that came out for it uh a

little birdie told me that uh your good friend your dear friend Wayne Gretzky he had a hell of

a time there um I heard he may have been kicked out of the box have you heard anything about that

Thank you. good friend your dear friend Wayne Gretzky he had a hell of a time there um I heard he may have been kicked out of the box have you heard anything about that no why what are you talking about I heard that I heard Wayne was asked to leave because he wouldn't stop smoking cigars this was not for me by the way not not for me but I heard yeah this is not for me I heard they asked him to leave and that Wayne Gretzky left and he was like well I guess I'm just going to hit guess I'm just going to hit the bar now.
Are you allowed to kick Wayne Gretzky out of a box at a hockey game? There's not a chance that happened. I'm going to say there's a rumor.
That's rumor, boys. Hashtag rumor, boys.
I like you fitting into your role as Wayne's enforcer, like his goon. Be like, nope, didn't happen.
Yeah, him and DJ Collins now. Yeah.
I know it didn't happen because I saw Wayne again. They had like a post party at the United Center in the atrium area, and he was there.
So he definitely didn't get kicked out. Not at the arena.
He was having a good time. Not at the arena, but apparently he got kicked out of the suite.
He was having a very good time. So PFT, speaking of Wayne, though, when Chelio said the greatest American-born player of all time, you know who the first person to start that standing ovation was? Wayne was the first guy to get out of his seat.
So that's when you know there's truth behind it. So Patrick Kane, officially the greatest American-born player in hockey history as of right now.
With Chelios, I remember I was in Austin, Texas at time and the uh the Texas Stars were playing against the Chicago Wolves the minor league team and Chelios was like 47 years old 48 years old playing for a minor league hockey team came out there scored a goal why did why did he keep playing so long is it because he just loved hockey that much uh well that um he kept in incredible shape Chelios, I don't know if Yans was talking about him in length, but just a guy who could go out and drink 24 pops, but then yet he'd be at the rink the next day at 5 a.m. riding the bike in the sauna.
So his ability to stay in shape and be such a freak for as long as he played, that's why he was able to have that longevity. Now, from what I understand, I want to say his son, I think his name's Jake.
I played against him when he was playing for the Carolina Hurricanes farm team in Charlotte. I actually fought him.
He wanted, Chris wanted to keep playing long enough to the possibility that he was able to play in the NHL either with or against his son. That's my understanding of why he ended up playing so long and kind of dragging along.
But in his last year, he was playing in the minors and then was also called up because Atlanta Thrasher, Chicago Wolves was the farm team. He got called up to Atlanta to basically be Zach Bogosian's, like take him under his wing.
And that was their first rounder that year. I want to say he went fifth overall.
And then that was kind of the end of it all. But to play 27 years in, in, especially in the eras that he played three Norris trophies, he won.
It was just a hell of a career. I don't know how he played that long.
Cause at 32 years old, both my ACLs just exploded in my last season of playing. And I want to say he retired at the age of like 47, longer than Tom Brady.
So just a remarkable longevity. And he was butt chugging from the fountain of youth his whole career.
It was pretty crazy how long he played. So Biz, back to Waynezky real quick.
So, I was able to get a picture of my son with Wayne Gretzky, which, like, was bigger for me than my son's four-and-a-half-year-old. Did he know who you were? He was having fun.
I was lucky because his son is a Barstool fan, so his son came up and was like, Big Cat, what's up? That saved me, like, perfect timing. Oh, nice, nice nice it was just like thank god he's here so that wayne doesn't think i'm just some fucking weirdo stalker pigeon yeah right so that was huge but uh so i walk out of the arena with my son i'm like you just got a picture with the greatest hockey player of all time and he and my son's like well how is he the greatest i was like well he scored the most goals then my son asked me, how many goals did you score? I was thinking about it.
You scored seven goals in the NHL. Can I get a couple? Can I just take a couple and just tell my son that I scored a couple? I think that the Chicago Blackhawks should shine you, put you on Bedard's line just for the viral content, revive the fan base and get ticket sales up.
Yeah. And I think that if they put you net front on a power play for even a full season,

I bet you he'd put 15 off your ass and in the net.

Yeah.

Especially for how wide yours is,

you basically have a full backboard

if you stand on the far side of the net,

which, I mean, Zach Hyman gets 40 playing with McDavid.

I'm pretty sure you can get 20 playing with Conor Bedard.

Yeah, I just need one or two,

because that was a tough question when my son was like, how many goals you score in the NHL and I was just like ah well this is not going to be and then I tried to change the subject but uh yeah maybe I'll do that I did see Hosa too and I he didn't think it was very funny but I was like hey big cat like we've met a bunch of times and I was like like, yeah, we won a couple cups together, 13 and 15.

And he was just like, what?

That didn't go so well. No, he was probably thinking in his head, like, maybe this guy was like a black ace

that got a couple games or something and got his name on the cup.

He's just like, oh, it's been that long.

I mean, Rafi Torres did hit him pretty hard, so maybe he forgot.

Yeah, that's true.

So, Biz, you are doing a great job on TV.

We love seeing you on TV. Oh, thank you.
It's like the perfect role for you. You watch probably more hockey than anyone in the country right now.
What's the big story getting close to the playoffs? What's the number one thing you're thinking about when you're watching every night and storyline that everyone can be attached to? Well, I mean, just going back to what we recorded today,

obviously Chelios' jersey retirement was number one,

just to give him his flowers.

I would probably say the hottest topic was this Matt Rempe kid

who's with the Rangers.

He's a 6'7 mutant, young guy on his entry-level contract,

and he came in.

His first game was at the outdoor games at the MetLife,

Thank you. he's a 6'7 mutant young guy on his entry level contract and he came in his first game was at the outdoor games at the MetLife and his first shift of the game he ended up fighting Matt Martin so that was pretty cool in front of 80,000 people and in the NHL what they do with the rookie lap your first game is the guys kind of hold up at the door so you just kind of start warm up where you do of loser laps by yourself.
So getting to do that in front of 80,000 people, pretty cool. I ended up meeting his mom and two sisters and they were just so amped up for his first game.
And then Matt Martin for the Islanders was kind enough to drop him with them. But then since then he's fought like two more times.
He's been trucking guys and he's just kind of been this uh almost like a jeremy lynn type situation where he's like a household name around at least new york city right now after only playing a handful of games that was probably the one one story and uh i mean the rangers in general man they've i think they've won what 11 games in a row they're just on an absolute heater right now uh shesterkin's back to playing so anytime anytime the Rangers are in the mix, that's usually a big story. And I would probably say they take the cake.
Florida being the wagon that they are, they're probably the number one favorite in the East is a big story. I would say that even Detroit being back in the mix, Motown, the eiser plan.
Steve Eiserman took over as GM, what, probably four years ago now, and he had an uphill battle to make them relevant again, and now they're probably looking at a playoff spot. So the thing about the NHL, it's like there's so much parity, and it's such a good league, and I would say probably the most competitive regular season.
It's not like one team is a headline hog. It just gets snapped around to where there's just so many amazing stories.
The Western Conference, probably the strongest it's been in a while, where I think that there's probably six teams that could realistically come out of the Western Conference. Rick Tockett, who was my coworker at TNT, he took over as head coach last year.
It was probably like not issues in the locker room, but definitely chemistry problems. And he was able to go in there and fix all that.
And now they're the top team in the league going into the last 20 games of the season. So they're for sure going to make playoffs.
That to me was one of the biggest stories and where a guy who wasn't even a coach halfway through the year last year is probably the front runner to win the Jack Adams this year. But outside of that, man, I mean, I can keep rifling off stuff, but the NHL is thriving and overall the growth of the league and where it's at.
I just think it's a, if you're not a hardcore hockey fan and you're kind of sick of maybe the sport that you're following, jump on the hockey bandwagon, man, because it's an amazing league. Yeah, it is.
Yeah, you were talking earlier about fighting a guy and then meeting up with him later and being boys. What percentage of like the fights you've gotten in do you end up being friends with the person like immediately afterwards versus like the ones where there's actual bad blood where you're like, I don't like that dude? So I never really had any rivalries where I hated guys that much.
You always usually give the pat on the ass after. And I mean, you wouldn't be playing tummy sticks per se where you're like, hey, man, how the wife and kids are yelling over on the other side of the box.
But now when I see guys that I fought, yeah, we just laugh and chuckle about it. And we did it to survive.
We did it so we could earn a paycheck. And for me, it wasn't that deep rooted unless a guy took a cheap shot at a teammate.
And maybe that's why I would have bad blood. But ultimately, there was no scumbags that I truly hated

and still carry any type of grudge against. Yeah, I like to hear that.
Biz, this is actually the first time we've had you on in a while. So you were a breaking news guy a few months ago.
How's that gone since you broke that entire – was it with Babcock in Columbus? How, how, what is the, is the, is the national hockey league media giving you a little more

response? Was it with Babcock in Columbus? How – what is the – is the National Hockey League media giving you a little more respect that you deserve because you were like dead on with that entire story?

I mean, I don't really give a fuck about that stuff.

Like the respect and that journalistic integrity.

Like I tell rumors about trades coming up all the time.

Like I just – I'm like a casual fan when it comes to that stuff. Um, it was a pretty wild time, uh, because obviously they were denying it right away.
And I don't know how many people listening know the backstory. Long story short is Mike Babcock was a coach in the national hockey league, a successful one.
Um, you know, he coached the Detroit Red Wings for a while, uh, won a Stanley Cup there with the roster they had probably should have won more but he had a history of of maybe abusing his power too much now there's this there's this maybe mindset of some people listening being like oh well like you know today guys are too soft and it's like this like cushy society now where no man i i think that establishing accountability and and being hard on players if they're making mistakes over and over and you know sitting them out and bag skating them yeah that's all normal stuff that i had to go through but there was like the the verbal barrages that he would give uh uh fronzen who was a for the Detroit Red Wings, where it caused them like mental issues where even since he's been retired, he spoke out on it and he said it destroyed his confidence in his career. And he fucking hates Babcock.
Um, at the time he was in Detroit, probably at the time of era where it could be gotten away with. And given that Babcock had a good reputation from a coaching standpoint, coach team Canada, one goal there, it wasn't something that was going to get them fired.
Move on to Toronto where he ended up getting the next job where he was the highest paid coach of the league. Mitch Marner, the story came out where when he was a rookie, he called in, he called him in and he said, I want you to rank the guys laziest to hard working so he was basically forced to do it right then babcock took that list goes into the locker room and basically tells the first guy on the list yeah marner thinks you're lazy so just sewering this guy with his team and abusing his power right now a story that so there was a few other things that happened in toronto to eventually the point where they weren't having success and i think that he overstayed his welcome and they moved on one of the things that happened in toronto that hadn't come out was one of the power dynamics was he would have guys come in and he would say what type of person are you give me your phone let me see your phone and he would start looking through type of person are you? Give me your phone.
Let me see your phone.

And he would start looking through the players' photos on their phone.

Like that's just, I mean, any job you work in America,

if you're a boss and you do that, you're done, right?

Are you getting canned?

Yeah.

I do that to Hank after every weekend.

I'm just like, let me see.

Let me see what you got, Hank.

You're definitely on the clock.

Yeah.

So to the point where they had a designated guy on the Toronto Maple Leafs

I'm going to go to the point where they had a designated guy on the Toronto Maple Leafs as a guy who would tell the new guys on the team, hey, when you get called in, don't bring your phone. Say you left it in the car.
That's pretty fucking crazy. Yeah.
So he ends up getting canned from Toronto for a lot of these issues. He has to go do some personal work in order to reestablish his reputation.
And then he ends up getting a third chance in Columbus. Before he'd even coached a game, he's doing the same things with the cell phones.
So a former player who he did this to in Toronto reached out to me. He goes, hey, man, he goes, this shit shit's still going on you got to call it out on the podcast so i remember calling wit and telling him i'm like can you believe that this guy's still doing this and even did it to begin with so on the podcast we ended up recording wit reminded me i would have never brought this up and then so i made like the i don't want to say light of it but saying how if he would have called me in i would have had a picture of my bin staring him right in the face like i would have took a picture of my my hairy cornhole where the first few pictures would have been that and then maybe a double barrel like fuck you don't be looking at my pictures and all of a sudden we end up posting the clip and it gets about seven million views this thing goes so i didn't expect it to maybe get as much attention as it did but it caught fire and then all of a sudden it was a bull rush the media went crazy with it uh and they denied it and it was a pretty it was a pretty nerve-wracking situation breaking that news and having to go through that but eventually the the truth came out and apparently there was even more worse shit that he was doing and then they said hey we're parting ways with him before he even started a game so as far as my breaking stories and breaking news i'm gonna i'm gonna probably take uh take a hiatus for a few years after the the emotional take a rest yeah you deserve yes but you guys are a players podcast and that's what i appreciate when you your message was like, hey, we're going to stand up for the players.
This is some bullshit that's going on. No one else is going to report it.
We talk about the players. We love this league.
We were players. We have to say something.
I would have never have even known the story unless a former player said, hey, this is what was going on with us. You need to use your platform to address it.
And I said it and i said aye aye captain and like you said yes we're we're a player's podcast and uh we try to we try to give them as much voice as possible how do you feel about the people out there that were like not normally a fan of these guys uh but i i tend to agree with them on this there was a lot of that going on like normally i hate paul bissonette but gotta admit he's right on the you had to admit you had to say first of all like i don't usually like spitting chiclets but again they're right i mean i i could see why people would hate my guts i was a pretty big donkey on long online for a long time so for those people maybe we could kind of just be like hey we're neutral now and we can be buddies and move on. Yeah, hopefully.
When we had Yandel on and we talked to him a little bit about the Maple Leafs this year, and we asked him why they won't win the Stanley Cup because he didn't include them in the list of teams that could win. His answer was the fans, that the fans are the problem in Toronto.
I know that you've been on and off the Leafs bandwagon a couple times the past years. You did make a bet, I think, right, that you would get circumcised if they didn't win, what, two series or one series? So your hog is still covered with your turtleneck, to my knowledge.
The only bet I've never followed through on, by the way. I think we can give you a pass on that one.
I did shave my head on national television. I made up for it with the Edmonton-Calgary bet with the Battle of Alberta.
Yeah, so his analysis was the fans suck in Toronto and they're holding the team back. Would you agree with that assessment? Yeah, I don't know.
It's any major sport. When you're in the Mecca, every little thing that happens is the biggest story in the world where if you win 6-5, we have a goaltending issue.
If we win 2-1, what's wrong with the offense?

They're just trying to fabricate stories.

So living under the microscope of playing in Toronto would be very difficult, and in the past,

they've been very, very hard to deal with.

I want to say there's been a few instances this year

where they've actually tried to elevate players

who are going through difficult times.

The goalie, Samsonov, or Samsonov, I mean, the way you pronounce it changes every week, at least for me. But he was having a difficult time where they started kind of like chanting for him and getting behind him.
So I can see where Jans is coming from. The fan base can be very fickle, but I think that they're turning a new leaf, no pun intended.
Ooh, that's good. I think that that's why like your puns don't you oh yeah what are you doing with your other hand i was rubbing my cock journalism yeah this looks like a drake video right.
What's it? A Drake? Yeah. Oh, Drake.
Yeah. So I never saw that.
I heard about it. So he's got a big hog? We got to send him the video now, yeah.
Yeah. Well, you have to.
Yeah, send it right now. How big is his rope? You got a big rope? It's a decent rope.
It was big enough to the point where we thought that maybe he leaked it himself because it was a good vision. Veteran move.
Yeah. Veteran move.
If I had a huge hog, I'd leak it too. Yeah.
I'd be doing the old sex tape, get our numbers up. We'd be the number one sports podcast if I had a big hog.
Hey, how many times in a given week do the TNT producers are like, hey, Biz, you said that name wrong. Do they get on you for pronunciations or they just know we got usually liam just call usually just liam just calls me out right next to me so that's that's that's the beauty of it he he holds me accountable for sure but uh i would say that i would have to agree with fans or yans but i don't think that that's going to be an issue this year.
Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm, I'm feeling the mojo right now.
No way.

Yeah,

they're,

no,

they're, they're,

they're peaking at the perfect time. So they had Morgan Riley who cross-checked the guy in the face.
I guess you could say a faux pas is when you have an empty netter in hockey that you don't, you know, you just kind of just slide it in. There was a kid for kid, kid for the Ottawa senators who Leafs, Leafs senators have a battle of Ontario and he had the full net to himself and he just wound up and took a clap bomb.
So Morgan Riley skated over, cross-checked him in the face, got a five game sussy and they were a bit thin on the back end to begin with, but it, it galvanized the group. They were going through a difficult time and they ended up rattling off five wins during his suspension i think they're at seven in a row right now and i just love that they're peaking at the perfect time well what is it they got the perfect time would be like a little bit later right yeah well they were well time out though they were in a a wild card position fighting for playoff lives, so they need to start rattling off some wins.
And some people say, oh, they're peaking too early. They're peaking too early, like idiots like you.
But if you go back to last year, the Vegas Golden Knights and the Florida Panthers, right after All-Star Game, is when they started their peak. They started winning, winning, winning, winning, winning, leading into playoffs.
So it wasn oh okay hit the snooze button hit the snooze button oh it's playoffs okay i guess we'll start trying now there has to be some method to the madness leading in and the leafs have found that at the perfect time i i'm with you like i buy into the leafs bullshit it seems like every single year i'm not a fan of the team, but I watch them play, and I watch Austin Matthews, and I'm like,

this guy's on a different level.

And it always feels like they've got all the ingredients that are ready,

and then I get disappointed every single year when my bet doesn't hit.

Because I do it, and now I'm starting to do it again.

So by telling you that you're full of shit,

I'm really just telling me, like, don't buy into their bullshit again.

Yeah.

I could see why you would think that. Now, I'm a firm believer in facing your demons head on.
Like, go right at the eye of the storm. I am hoping that they draw Boston as a first-round matchup.
Because if you go back to, I don't know the exact year. You guys could maybe look it up if you have a researcher there.
Is Jake there? We don't have a researcher. He's not here right now.
I can look it up for you. Okay, well, I wish I had.
They lost to the Boston Bruins. They were up 3-1 in the series, and they were up 3 or 4-1 in the game.
That was game seven, and then they ended up losing to the Boston Bruins. So I feel much like when the Red Sox went against the Yankees when they were down 3-0 they ended up reversing the curse and that's when they went on to end up winning their first world series and i don't even know how long since the curse of the bambino i feel if the leafs end up matching up with boston the first round i think they beat them and then they go on to march to win the stand so 2013 so there's probably a lot of guys from the 2013 team that are still on this team.
There's not one player that's still left over. They take it pretty personally.
Also, if you're going to use an example of a team that's battled back or had a history recently of 3-0, you would have to remember that the Boston team last year, they blew a 3-0 lead, didn't they? No, 3-1. They blew a 3-1 lead.
3-1. 3-1.
Okay, but they were the one seed last year. Yeah.
Yeah. They were.
By the best regular season team in NHL history. So the Bruins have to find a way to play the Panthers in the first round, and the Leafs have to find a way to also play the Bruins in the first round.
I think they should do a Chinese checker-style playoff match. Yeah.
Just get three teams on the ice. Let's fucking roll, baby.
Yeah. A death match.
Yeah. Medieval times, dinner, and tournament.
Let's go. I love that.
What? I was going to say, the one thing I love about hockey and hockey players is that, you know, analytics have come into all sports. It's changed a little bit.
The human element has been taken out of it a little. But you said something there that was, I truly believe, and I think most hockey guys would agree, like an issue where you have a guy stand up for his teammates, cross-check someone, can galvanize and get all the boys pumped up.
Were there moments in your career, or maybe even you see it right now, where it's like, hey, a fight, and then that fight happens, and then boom, they're off and running. The boys in the locker room need something to get behind.
It's not just playing hockey. I just think it speaks more volumes as to how connected the group is.
In hockey, you can have all the skill in the world, but if you're not connected as a group, you're going to fizzle out. There's of unbelievable teams that have just you know found ways to lose where you have these like for instance last year the panthers that's a team who's galvanized together it's not just if they're if their goalie stops a puck and one of the offensive zone players from the other offensive players from the other team bumps into their goalie they're gonna have five five panthers jumping on that guy's back right they just are are so the only championship i've ever won uh was in the ahl with mike stuthers and he instilled that on us in us and i truly believe it where where like leafs at the beginning of the year they had a few issues where things like that had happened and guys were just marching all over them, getting in the way with it, chirping at their bench where nobody was answering the bell.
So I felt that that was a major issue and a major disconnect within the group where that's obviously been addressed now. I feel like guys are stepping up in that situation and that's why probably William Nylander spoke to, hey, I know we're losing our best defenseman for five games, but we're going to battle for him while he's out of the lineup.
And that's really sparked the group internally. Just one moment like that in a season.
Man, let's go back to last year when Florida Panthers were fighting for their playoff lives. It was Matthew Kachuk's father, Keith Kachuk, who did a radio hit in Canada.
We had him on our alt cast. and it was uh uh matthew kachuk's father keith kachuk who did a radio hit in canada uh i we we had him on our our alt cast and it was somewhat of a calculated move where he's like well he's like yeah i was obviously going on there knowing that it was probably going to create some airways but i didn't know it was going to have the ripple effect that it had but he called out the whole team for playing soft and playing like a bunch of pussies and after that that, it was a full blown mutiny.
And there was nobody who was going to push over the Florida Panthers. And they went on to do what they did last year.
I love it. I like that.
I like a dad getting involved. Yeah.
Connor McDavid. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
If, if, if your dad, some Joe Schmo, who was just following you through the minor ranks being an annoying dad, it's one thing. If you're Walt Kachuk, who scored 500 goals in the National Hockey League,

and you should be a Hall of Famer, it's a little bit different.

So I wouldn't exactly say every dad should be getting in the mix.

No, let every dad get in the mix.

We need a hockey version of Lamar Ball.

Yeah.

We need somebody really stirring shit up.

Yeah.

Get it going.

Well, yeah, yeah. I don't know.
Is there one, is there an example? Is there a helicopter dad? Who's the best dad in the NHL? I got a call from one recently. Who was maybe not happy with what we were talking about on the podcast.
Cause his kid base, he was like, I don't want to play for the Philadelphia flyers anymore. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. He's like, I'm done.
And he refused to even meet with them. But it's a whole new regime.
I can understand maybe why he's frustrated with the old regime, but there's a full new awesome regime. Danny Breer is there, Keith Jones.
The Flyers are trying to reestablish their culture there. and for whatever reason this kid just was like yeah i ain't coming and they they traded him and i got a phone call and he's basically saying that they were lying about the situation where i'm like i don't think danny briere and keith jones are lying about the fact that of all this stuff happening behind the scenes but okay lavar ball uh-huh i like i like your use of the word regime too yeah feels like it feels really efficient the new regime culture what's what's the best regime in the nhl right now oh okay that's a great question great question i would um i would say a very uh cool regime and one that i would want to be a part of would be the part of the Eiser plan in Detroit with Steve Eiserman.
That sounds cool. Oh, yeah.
He's got a bunch of the old players from the Detroit days when they won Cups together as part of his development staff, whether they're working hand-to-hand with players, whether they're part of the scouting staff. So being part of that group and the brass, the roundtable,

that would be a pretty cool regime to be a part of.

But Stevie is pretty intense. So if you were late for a Zoom call, he would ream you out.

If any information of inside the regime gets out, you're done.

Walk the plank.

You probably would get beheaded at little Caesars arena in Detroit.

Uh, so, but nonetheless, that would be a ride or die regime that I would love to be a part

of.

That sounds bad.

What about the worst regime?

Hmm.

Oh, I don't want to be too negative.

Um, one regime that needs work. It's in transition.
Regime change. Can I get back to you on that at the end of the pod? Yeah.
Marinate on that for a little bit. Okay, so I want to ask about McDavid real quick.
Is he ever going to score a goal again? Is he, like for the best athlete in the history of the world, going games without a goal seems it seems like a long time right i think sometimes he probably just gets bored of doing certain things so he says i'm just gonna feed my teammates for the next month here and in that stretch of time he's i mean he had a six assist game so there's certain situations where he's like probably looking off scoring a goal and he actually could have put an empty netter in the net going back about a week maybe a week and half ago against the Arizona Coyotes but he had a teammate Fogle who had been struggling who hadn't scored a goal in about eight or nine games and instead of taking the empty netter to himself he made a play over to Fogo so he could score the empty netter

to gain his confidence back, in which he did.

He ended up scoring the next game after that,

and he's been hot ever since.

So he is just the all-time teammate and a great ambassador for our game.

And another guy who you could probably consider,

if he continues on the trajectory he's on, it's hard to say he would pass Wayne because Wayne's numbers are just untouchable because he just cracked the code at that time and the goalies weren't good enough. But he will probably end up second in all-time scoring.
And an absolute phenom who's lived up to every bit of expectation. But if he continues on trajectory to have zero stanley cups that is so that is something that is is weighed heavily on nhl guys where it's like oh yeah but he didn't win a cup but he didn't win a cup and you could tell that it weighs on him i think that you will see way more personality coming out of him when he gets the job done it was was the same thing with Sid.
And that's not a knock.

Like he has personality, but these guys take it so seriously that they want to be able

to deliver that and have that in order to think that their career was complete.

Yeah.

I think that you could say that about every sport, but I would say in hockey, from a media

perspective, that is something that is, is held against you. Look at how long they were holding it against ovi yeah yep yeah that was the one i mean you you know pft more than anyone that was the the one oh yeah but he's not a winner oh yeah but he's not a winner yeah raises golf bags golf cartoon that would come out every year that they'd lose it didn't help that they would win the president's trump or president Cup all the time, and then they'd get bounced in the playoffs.
It became a narrative that sucked. And, yeah, I mean, if you're a hockey player, like we say, how many minutes does Conor McDavid skate per night? 22 or something.
So you're not really on the ice at all during a hockey game, even if you're the best player. Yeah.
And then they hold you accountable if they don't win the cup. Right.
He should probably stay on the ice more. And going back to last year and this year, this is the best group that they've surrounded him with.
And the young guys who they're waiting on to blossom are starting to blossom. And the moves that they made are starting to pay off.
I would say the one area, if Connor McDavid wants a Stanley Cup, I would say they probably have to add a defenseman and probably a goaltender at the deadline. Not saying Stuart Skinner can't get the job done.
They just maybe need somebody with a little bit more experience. There has been rumors that Marc-Andre Fleury is going to be on the move somewhere.
I've heard LA is a landing spot. Edmonton might be a potential landing spot, but going back to the Boston Bruins, they have two goalies right now that are studs.
And if the Boston Bruins want to win a Stanley cup, I think they have to end up trading one of those guys before the deadline to gain a first line center. Yeah.
All right. Uh, this has been awesome.
Last question. Rowback question.-c-k.com use promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts last question rowback question what's the worst regime i'm gonna i'm gonna look at the standings right now one more time well it's just hard i i don't want to be critical and then and then and speak out of turn let's do this what what's a what's a regime that's in transition that's a better way to put it they're in transition that's not good or bad that just means they're kind of figuring things out okay i will let's we'll go back to columbus with the fact that the current regime was the one who vetted and and I say that with quotation marks, Babcock to bring him back in.
And then he didn't even end up coaching a game for that team. He got fired before he'd even coached a game.
Um, the Yarmulkeke line in the GM was just fired not too long ago. And they're in the midst of looking for a new GM, and then Davidson is currently stepped in.
So I would say Columbus right now is one that is looking to reestablish, but they've had a tough go for as long as I can remember, so they've never really had an incredible regime. Although I think that Yarmo did a great job there, and I heard he's an unbelievable guy.
That is just one that is facing some turbulence right now. That's a good answer.
If Mike Babcock saw you on the street, would it be on site? Would he try to fight you? I don't know. I got nothing against – I have nothing personal against this guy other than – but you got fired for being a fucking idiot and abusing your power you went away and said you you you you did some some dig you dug deep you went and did some soul searching and you figured it all out and then now you're looking at dick pics in your players phones so you're seeing you're seeing your players wives mama jamas you know jammed up when they're on the road and maybe they want a little pick me up for for a tug at the hotel room and now you're looking at it come on man so that maybe that's the lesson in all of this don't get help if he had never gone and got help and just been like yeah i'm still a dick then there's no story i bet you're a chestnut checkers right you're on to something like hey guys Mike Babcock.
I'm a huge fucking asshole. What kind of help do you get where you go, you like checking the therapy and you're like, yeah, I can't stop looking at pictures of my player's cell phones.
Like, that's not I don't think that's something that psychiatrists are equipped to deal with. That's true.
I think that's a one off. And going back to what you said, Big Cat, like then I guess you would just be Urban Meyer.
Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
Yeah. No, just stay being a dick.
Yeah. Yeah.
Just all the dick. I have one theory I want to throw at you.
I get one caps question per hockey interview. I love with, with the OV goal chase, which is, that's what I'm rooting for now is I'm an Alexander Ovechkin fan.
I want to see him score. Once he, him past Wayne Gretzky.
It feels like the league has not really been all in, like promoting the accomplishment when you weigh it against, like how great of an accomplishment that it is. It feels like.
Buddy, we're fucking two years away from him breaking it. What are you talking about? I don't know if it's two years.
How many more goals does he have left? He needs to get a little over 50. I want to say he's at like 51 or 52.
At his age, he not scoring 50 goals next year my theory though is that uh the nhl is is not promoting as much because of the whole putin connection what do you think about that no because every time we have washington on the broadcast and we do it's the first thing we talk about we put them on the ice so cam on the ice this guy's about to break the record. Like, what do you want them to do? I'd like a parade every time he scores a goal.
I'd like just... Well, the other thing too is what one of the stories was at the beginning of the year, he wasn't scoring and he was like looking slow and all of a sudden people were worried as to whether he would even break it.
So if anything, they were helping him out by not drawing too much attention to it. Yeah so i should be thank you thank you paul thank you you're welcome but as of late he went on an eight game goal scoring streak so now he's back in in that in that trend so he's got two years left after this year on his contract i think next year he'll probably get whatever 30 35 goals and then the following year is when you're really going to see this kind of parade as you're describing start.
It's going to be a stroke off, fast double wrister. Every goddamn game that he's on the broadcast.
I love that you did this whole interview in your bed. I'll put mascara on and give him the double wrister right for you, buddy, okay? I appreciate that.
Thank you, Biz.

I'll give him... What's that?

I appreciate that. I was going to say thank you.

You can keep going.

Did you guys send the Drake video?

How big is his hog? I will send it,

but it's a federal crime to send it. I'll

still send it, though.

Oh, you can't... Oh, how about

this one? I don't know if you guys heard this story.

So, guy who got picked up by by waivers uh for the um arizona coyotes they had like a gala night to raise money for charity and i think he'd only played three games for the team and i don't know if he was trying to send this videos to his buddies via dm i don't know if he was trying to text it to but he was just so banged up. But he had a video of a plate of cocaine with his Amex car.

Yeah. via DM.
I don't know if he was trying to text it to him, but he was just so banged up. He had a video of a plate of cocaine with his Amex car.
Then he was filled and showed it and then switched it around to the selfie style. Then he's chomping on the vial that had more cocaine than he in the game.
He got put on waivers. He's done.
The team was oh nine and oh nine and one their last 10 you can't be flexing vials like who's netsov like you but just won you know a medal at the olympics or something right only only caps players can get away with that right pft yeah no that's a putin connection again yeah um all right well biz hopefully we see you soon right are you gonna come to the office we're gonna see you soon yeah if i'm not too tired Okay, all right. Well, Biz, hopefully we see you soon, right? Are you going to come to the office?

We're going to see you soon?

Yeah, if I'm not too tired.

Okay.

All right.

He did do this in bed, so you can go.

You can just shut your eyes right now and take a little nap.

You might have mono.

That's actually all I do now.

I do interviews on podcasts, and then the minute I'm done,

I go back to sleep until my next one.

Well, we love you, Biz.

Thank you.

We'll have you back on come playoff time, and you're the best, man. I love you guys.
Hey, guys out there, don't be posting your Coke habits on Instagram. Yeah.
And don't be doing it in general. Too much fentanyl out there.
Yeah. Smoke some dope.
Yeah. Good point.
Good point. That's your drug message from Biz.
All right. See you, Biz.
And now for something completely different. Okay okay we now welcome on a recurring guest very special guest it is jay billis from espn you can hear him it is his time of year we're getting closer and closer to march conference championship week college basketball is front and center jay um i want to do this because we like you i want to do this in as respectful way as possible to have this debate why are you trying to arrest college kids i'm not trying to arrest college kids uh and i'm sure you guys are among the masses for which nuance is this uh this thing you can't grasp but all i was, we're not changing court storming.
It's not going to stop. They don't want to stop it.
So when they say they do, they're not telling the truth. If they wanted to stop it, they could stop it tomorrow.
You know, and that's when I said the thing about, you know, you could just issue citations. Nobody would do that anymore.
If they wanted to stop it, it's not that big of a deal. They don't want to stop it because they like the visual of it.
And it sounds like you guys do too. But, I mean, being completely honest about it, it's not part of the game.
Like, the game's over. And if you think about, like, let me ask you guys, what's the best place in America and the most passionate place the one place you'd want to see a basketball game um the uss intrepid i would aircraft carrier i would say wake forest standing at center court after they beat duke that'd be the number one so it wouldn't be allen field house at kansas i guess yeah allen field house yeah that would be pretty good when was the last court storming they had there well they're really really good when was the last time kansas has been stormed on yeah because they're really good i guess if kansas was an underdog at home and you had like the number one team in the country coming in and kansas was ranked somewhere between 10 and 25 and they won at home i i could see them storming because that's happened that's happened there it doesn't happen okay what if kansas they beat you decade they beat uconn

they beat uconn early in the year it doesn't happen yeah my point is it's the best environment for a game and they don't have that it doesn't change the fact that it's incredibly passionate have you guys been there i have not i want you it's a bucket list for me for sure it's freaking unbelievable it's unbelievable before the game there are very few places i go uh to to broadcast a game where right before the game i i have my phone up to get uh to get video of it because it's so cool um the court storming thing look i'm not going to talk people out if you love it i'm not trying to talk you out of it i i my perspective is fans don't belong on the court ever and players don't belong in the stands ever that's i don't think that's a controversial thing if you guys want to do that then do it i'm not trying to talk you out of it but don't tell me we can't stop it yeah if we want to it is it's interesting because every conference has such different rules when it comes to enforcing penalties about court storming. You've got some conferences, I think the SEC is the most hardcore where they fine you $100,000 for the first time you do it.
And then there are some conferences where it's like, yeah, we just don't have rules about that. If there was a uniform rule, that might help a little bit.
But I think you're right. It wouldn't help at all all wouldn't help at all because the the sec they're happy to pay it did you guys see what happened in south carolina early this year south carolina wins a game i don't know who they beat maybe they beat kentucky i don't even remember uh they stormed the court one of the people storming the court was the president emeritus of the university and he put out video he put out that rock yeah that's cool though that's wrong social media you admit that that's go ahead that's kind of awesome like it or you can like it or not like it all i'm saying is um don't tell me that they want to stop it they don't they said they were happy to pay the fine okay they they want the visual they use it in recruiting they love it great you can love it I'm not trying to talk anybody out of loving it.
Uh, love it all you want to. And, but, but like when they say, oh, the NBA doesn't have the same kind of passion.
How old are you guys? You guys remember the 1980s when Larry Bird couldn't get off the floor after they beat the Lakers in the garden? Like they stopped all that stuff because it's dangerous, man. And it is dangerous now.
And And we've had significant injuries over the years to fans some to players and we've already had two instance instances this year with caitlin clark and kyle filipowski it's something bad's going to happen and when it does we're going to have the audacity to be surprised at it no i will not i will not be surprised i will not i won't be a hypocriteite. We should say, though, Caitlin Clark and Kyle Filipowski both did not get injured.
Kyle Filipowski did not get injured. He's sore.
He was an ankle. That's an injury.
It was an ankle, then a knee, then no, no. No, it wasn't.
John Shire misspoke. It was a knee.
He misspoke at a press conference because he didn't have all the information. Well, he's playing on Tuesday.
Neither did we. He's playing tonight.
The only thing with the Kansas thing, like I think that's a little disingenuous because Kansas is Kansas and there's only one Kansas. Like there are certain blue bloods in the country.
It's not disingenuous. It's not disingenuous.
But there's certain blue bloods in the country. Disingenuous means lying.
Okay, but there's certain blue bloods. No, but okay.
so then tell me whatever word that you want to use there i think that you're using a very specific example of kansas to prove a wider point that doesn't really apply to anyone else kansas is kansas like they are they are a blue blood they have a storage tradition court storming yeah of course it hasn't happened in kansas it happens everywhere else it's fun it college sports it doesn't happen everywhere else okay it does not happen everywhere else you're right it doesn't happen to the blue bloods it happens in 90% of the stadiums in the country and it is fun you were just disingenuous there you said it happens everywhere else alright it happens 90% that's better alright and Kyle Filipowski did not get injured it is part of college sports it's college fans All right. Kyle Filippowski did not get injured.
It is part of college sports.

It's college fans being passionate.

It is unique to the sport.

It's partly why I love the sport, that you have this idea of an underdog at home.

I know Wake Forest was an underdog, but a team knocking off a ranked opponent

and this big, incredible celebration of the game. Can I interrupt for a second it i love every part of it yes can i interrupt for a second yes what did i say at the beginning if you like it i'm not going to talk you out of it yeah i don't care whether you like it or not that's great you know we can talk about ice cream flavors you know if you want next and i like chocolate you don't i don't care if you like it that's great i'm not trying to talk anybody out of it if you want to have court stormings at your school go ahead i don't i don't care just don't tell me you can't stop it because that's what we can't stop no that i agree with you could stop it i don't want them to stop it but you're right you could stop it so we can agree on that and i also think that the but that's all i said caitlin clark and kyle filipowski did not get hurt so i'll like filipowski okay now you said first you said injured yeah so how do you define injury um he he got treatment over it does that that so that doesn't mean injury after every game it wasn't a cat no they don't it wasn't a catastrophic injury got it but he got he got injured i think that there will be there will be a time when some something bad happens on the court and then we're i don't think that we're going to look back and say like oh we had no idea this would happen it's not you're right it's not part of the it's not part of the actual game of basketball but it's part of the bigger spectacle of college basketball, which is,

I think it's good for the sport to have a fan base so enthusiastic that they go on their

court, they celebrate with their team.

I actually have a way to solve this that might be better than your idea of arresting everybody.

My idea is that you just allow the players to punch people in the face if they get too

close to them.

So you let the players defend themselves on the court, and then you think twice, then it becomes more of a fair fight. Well, I know you're joking, but I'm actually I'm actually serious.
It would be if I can do that now, like if Kyle Filipowski had decided or any player had decided they were going to muscle their way off the court and they injured a fan, there would no people would criticize it but there would be no action taken because kyle filipowski or whatever player belongs out there and the fans don't so you talk about assuming the risk yeah yeah exactly as a fan but there's one thing that happened there we showed all that in slow motion and people were trying to break it down like the zapruder film when you show it in fast motion they were coming at him in a hurry i don't know what was said or what you know all the stuff that went into that but i know that the way everybody reacted that was not just people passing by each other like they weren't in new york city street yeah no i i don't put any blame on kyle filipowski in this. I think that we can agree on that.
Like people who are breaking it down, being like he shoved this guy. Like you can look at that situation and you could ask 100 people and it could be 50 people seeing it one way, 50 people seeing it the other.
People will never agree on that. Is there a part of you though, Jay, like you played at Duke, obviously.
You weren't part of the student section. Is there a part of you that might have a little bit of a blind spot? Like we're speaking from the perspective of the regular fan.
Like I remember when I was at Wisconsin, we stormed a court for a game, stormed a football field for a game. Like those are memories that I'll have forever.
Is there maybe a little bit of a blind spot here where you're the player's perspective,'re the fan's perspective and that's where the disconnect is no okay um i mean i i don't know how

many times i can say this i'm not trying to talk you out of liking it if you want to do it i'm not

going to stop you i don't care go ahead you know i i don't understand what like what the problem is

in this discussion you know you seem to be coming at me no No, I'm not. I'm not.
My perspective. I don't think it's necessary.
I tend to put the participants safety above, you know, like you're liking it or your memory and all that. If you want to do it, that's great.
Yeah. But so there are a lot of different solutions we could have have we could say you go with uh some of the people who said how about we have a one minute period to let everybody get off the floor you know why just one minute you know they can't shake hands they can't interact afterwards players can't sort of celebrate together i don't know uh so we're gonna we're gonna put a shot clock on it or then we say okay we'll cordon which some of them do, so they can do their handshake line, everybody can jump around.
There are a million things that you could do to make it a little bit safer. A million things you could do.
All I said was, don't tell me we can't stop it. They don't want to stop it.
That's my main point. They don't want to stop it.
They want the visual. They're not worried.
Like the administrators don't care about the fact that you like it. That's my main point.
They don't want to stop it. They want the visual.
They're not worried.

Like the administrators don't care about the fact that you like it. They don't care.
They want the visual of that because they take pictures of it and video and they put it up all over their materials and their locker rooms and all that stuff so they can sell it. That's the business they're in.
but you can't like,

I think it's contradictory to say player safety is number one,

but we're. sell it that's what the that's the business they're in um but you can't like i think it's contradictory to say player safety is number one but where court stormings are okay those two things don't go together because the players are going to get hurt and the fans are going to get hurt and the fact it doesn't happen more often we've been lucky we've been lucky yeah so i do think we just agree to disagree on on parts of this but i'm not i'm'm not trying to come at you.
I respect where you're coming from, where it's like, you are right that if they wanted to stop it, they could stop it. We totally agree on that.
And it seems like, like they're setting themselves up for a future lawsuit, the way that you're framing this right now, the way, if you think about from the perspective of a college administrator and they are turning a blind eye to it, and you're saying at some point, somebody is going to get hurt. There's enough of a paper trail there that exists already to the point where they could be held liable for an injury that happens to a player on the court.
Like you should have known better, which is why I think that they eventually will change. I know that they like it.
They like the visual, but I do think that the rule is going to change just because now you've got lawyers that are going to be involved and you should have known better. They've already been involved.
They've already been involved. They've known this for decades.
They know it. You know, so do we stop short of what do we do in football? Is it OK to tear the goalposts down and carry those off? I don't know.
Do whatever you want. That's their school.
I don't care what they do. That's their school.
But, you know, it would be in my role when somebody asked me my opinion, I give it. And I'm not trying to talk, again, I'm not trying to talk you out of liking it.
People can think that that's the greatest thing ever. And I wouldn't watch a game if they couldn't storm the court.
That's fine. Do whatever you want.
But my thing was, it's pretty simple. Players don't belong in the stands and fans don't belong on the court.
And like, are they allowed to run out 10 seconds before while they're dribbling out the clock? Where do we draw any lines here? What about, you know, and I asked this of a friend of mine. I said, what if in the Duke Carolina game in Chapel Hill earlier this year, what if Duke had won? Could their fans have run out on the court and celebrated the Duke win? They would have been wrestled to the ground by security.
That would have been funny. That would have been fun.
Yeah. You know, wouldn't that have been a fun thing? What a great memory for them.
Yeah. No, that would have been fun.
That would have been fun to watch just like a smattering of Duke fans try to get out there and just have like a battle royale. That would have been fun.
It would have been great. Can we find some common ground when it comes to storming fields, storming courts? Because you mentioned tearing the goalposts down.
When Tennessee did that the other year, and they carried the goalposts with them through downtown Knoxville, threw it into the river, can we just admit that that was awesome that's pretty fun it's fun i mean it's okay fun it's fun to do a lot of things yeah it's fun to do a lot of illegal things yeah it's fun to do that shit with your friends yeah yeah no it is yeah like i'm not arguing like i'm not arguing any of these points i'm not going to tell you what you think is fun okay you can think whatever is fun that you want okay i actually think we we agree more than we disagree here like i i i respect you a long time to get there well i think you also kind of you conceded that we're funny and we have some good ideas you got here we're both getting there we're switching back and forth but we're getting there no this happened you met us no no you met us a little bit because i think you If you if you were a fan you would you would storm the court i think i also think jay maybe i've never been a fan right that see you haven't maybe maybe a little bit maybe maybe just maybe just a little bit of it has to do with the fact that you went to duke maybe maybe a tiny tiny bit all right i hate to break this to you but we talked about this three weeks ago on college game day. You can go back and look at it.
It's. I hate to break this to you, but we talked about this three weeks ago on college

game day. You can go back and look at it.
It's all out there. It's all over social media.
And I said the exact same things I told you players don't belong in the stands. Fans don't belong on the court.
Somebody is going to get hurt and we're going to act surprised. And it's going to be an issue for a little while.
And then we're never going to to stop it i said this three weeks ago and and then it just so happened it three weeks later um like i don't i'm not an i told you so guy but all of it came true well except for the hurt part now he got hurt and you it maybe the injury wasn't enough for you so i'll come i'll come and sprain your knee and then you claim that i'm fine i don't i live life with two sprained knees yeah yeah all right so i've been healthy for years so so jay let's talk a little other college ball we'll put this to bed uh what you you obviously you call the games you watch the game you're you're you're part of the game give me a team or two that you've seen they're always It always happens late February, early March, that is starting to play their best ball. And maybe there's a national thought of like, oh, we saw this team in Thanksgiving.
We saw this team early in January. They aren't good.
But if you're not watching out for them, they're starting to put it all together night in and night out. I think Illinois is starting to trend in that direction.
I thought they were really good at the start of the year, and then Terrence Janna Jr. was charged with a felony in Kansas, and then through some legal maneuvering got reinstated.
They're starting to look like they could do some real damage there. They don't have a true point guard, which some people think is a big problem.
I don't think it's a big problem south florida is another team that's trending a little bit like florida atlantic did last year even though they're in a bigger conference this year the florida atlantic was last year and actually i think florida atlantic's probably a better team this year than we're last year yeah um you know they're they're in a different league so their record isn't quite as good they've played a much more different than they did last year, but they've got basically the same players and not many teams have a seven footer like Vlad golden that he can go toe to toe with anybody. As long as he stays out of foul trouble, their efficiency numbers are off the charts.
Um, those are the ones that come to mind, but the, you know, the real surprises, you can't call out an advance because they're surprises. Right.
Uh, right but but there are some teams that i think have a better chance um i'll be interested to see like you know this year's been uh we've had more sort of uh top 10 teams which we go by the ap poll which i'm not sure is a very good measure frankly but uh that have been beaten by unranked teams this year and uh i think we're getting toward the record but it seems like there have been more than than normal and so we're saying a lot of man the tournament's going to be wild and anytime we say the tournament's going to be wild it isn't wild yeah at any time anytime we think we got it knocked then it's crazy so we'll see what happens but uh But the tournament is a different animal than the regular season. And, you know, people tend to forget this.
But when the thing's bracketed and, you know, you've got your path, you know, your first two weekends. In your region, you know, one of the things to remember is 75% of the best teams in the country aren't in your region.
Right. And last year, Florida Atlantic should have been out in the first round.
They were, they were one mem egregious Memphis turnover at the end of the game for being out in the first round. And then they move on to the second round and Purdue inexplicably got beat by fairly Dickinson.
So that's a pretty good first weekend, you know, to survive Memphis and then have to play a 16 seed in the second round so things happen in the tournament that are unusual uh and and you get a benefit by kind of what happens in your your your bracket yeah jay i want to give you credit for something uh and not come at you at all for this in fact we've kind of agreed with you over the last several years you've been fighting the good fight about players getting paid about the ncaa artificially deflating players value and worth and uh and all the stuff that they've been up to for the last feels like 40 50 years um so you were ahead of the curve on that you were the loudest i think in the media that's been speaking about it for the longest amount of time now we're in a place where it's kind of like no rules and the NCAA still feels like they have a need to enforce rules that don't exist.

If you were the if you were the commissioner of the NCAA, if you were in charge of everything, where would you go moving forward in terms of setting any rules up regarding NIL?

Is it your place to do that as a collegiate sports organization?

Or what do you think that the future should look like with players and their ability to get paid and how it affects their college careers? Yeah, it's an interesting question. I would, I would, there wouldn't be any rules.
I would have it operate just like normal business does. If there were no rules and the schools could just pay the athletes directly, the natural consequence of that or probable consequences, they would sign the players to multi-year contracts.
So you put a contract in front of a player. If you can sign him to scholarship papers and a, and a national letter of attendance, you sign them to a contract.
Yeah. Sign them to a contract and, uh, uh, say if I'm signing one of you, I put a contract in front of you and I say, Hey, here's a four year deal for $500,000 a year plus a scholarship.
scholarship and you would say i'm not sure i want to stay four years i'll sign a two-year deal and then we'll decide what to do then or i'll give you an option for a third you negotiate that out and then i'll say but i want to buy out in there so if you leave if you go pro if you go to the mba or you decide you want to transfer to another school, you're going to owe me $500,000 a year.

It's interesting.

Just like, you know, and it would be normal business.

It's really not that difficult.

And then another school could say, we'll pay you $550,000 a year.

And then you have to determine which offer do I want to take if money is the deciding factor.

Money is just a factor.

Maybe a lower offer isn't going to stop you from going to Kansas or Yukon or whatever. It's really not that difficult.
And that way the transfer portal is not as big of an issue. It may not be an issue at all, but at least that way you have some roster certainty and cost certainty and everybody knows what everybody else is worth.
It's not that big of a deal. We do it with coaches, administrators.
And it's amazing how the rest of American business can operate without guardrails and Congress and all these things. It's all nonsense.
The NCAA just wants to be able to continue to violate federal antitrust law in doing their business. And they're not going to be able to do that anymore.
It's an interesting take. And I can see a world where that works.
Now, if that world does exist and you're giving players multi-year contracts, um,

it's, They're not going to be able to do that anymore. It's an interesting take, and I can see a world where that works.
Now, if that world does exist and you're giving players multi-year contracts, there would be an unintended consequence to that rule. You would get five, six teams that are stacked, loaded with talent, the ones with the big budgets, and then it would just be a competition between those five or six teams every single year, it feels like.
Now, that's not something that I don't think the law has no place. Our laws in America have no place telling a player what they're worth, what they're not worth.
But that is something that the sport would have to reckon with, would be just an overload of talent at the top. And then the also-rans wouldn't have as much of a chance.
I differ with that viewpoint. I think most reasonable economists would tell you that's not how it's going to work.
What money, what being able to pay is going to do is spread talent around more. It is not going to concentrate talent.
If that were true, all the best coaches would be on the same coaching staff. They're not going to do that.
Nobody's going to pay that way. It's just simple economics and simple business.
Nobody's going to do that. You're not going to have the three best quarterbacks going to the same school.
Then that's not going to happen. What will happen, and it's more, now you may have individual decisions that vary a little bit, but generally what will happen is smaller schools with smaller budgets can afford to pay more for somebody else's third best player than they're willing to pay for that third best player.
And so you can be the best player somewhere else and make more money than if you're the third best player somewhere at a bigger place and make less money. Did I say less money before? More money.
You make more money as the best player at a smaller budget school than you can make as the third best player at a bigger budget school. They might not be willing to pay you as much.
Talent will be spread around. We've already seen it with NIL.
NIL and the transfer portal had spread talent around, not concentrated it. I agree with you too, just in the fact that when everyone freaks out about NIL and they're like, well, this school is going to just pay every single recruit this amount of money.
And it's like, well, where's the money coming from? And will there be a point where the people who are paying the money are like, Hey, you know what the, you know, investing in the 18 year old and their future, like in this situation, this two, three year situation is maybe not the like soundest investment over and over where it's's like they get a little gun shy and then you have it kind of return to a normal level where not one school is just paying millions and millions of dollars every single year to 18 year olds that are unproven well they're going to do it they do it they do it in the nfl the nba they're going to do it they're going to pay for the best talent the nfl is a little different because it's like you i mean well it's actually set up with contracts i think it's already happening we're talking about contracts yeah yeah it's already happening in college football a little bit where you have these nil collectives and correct they get players in and they put a lot of money towards them and then they can go into the portal right with this and then they're like wait i just paid you know five hundred thousand dollars for one year of a player in this this situation where you have the contract in front of you, I actually do agree with you. I think that multi-year contracts and setting it up like any other business in America is probably the best way to go about it.
But I also think that the NCAA and the school presidents that get together and decide these rules, they like having as much control over the players as possible. And they're not going to give that up lightly.
So they keep inventing new rules for themselves to enforce. Yeah, but the problem is they violate federal antitrust law by doing it.
And there's a

court case coming down the tracks, Adam, called the house case, they're going to lose that case. And that's for revenue.
The players are suing for revenue. So the NCAA stands to lose about four to five billion dollars in that case.
And they're going to lose. And they know it.
That's why they're begging Congress for an antitrust exemption and for federal law. They're going to lose.
And when they do lose, who's going to pay it? How are they going to get the money? Where's the money going to come from? They're going to take it from the member institutions. And, uh, and there's still inertia and there's still a lack of movement for, you know, one, they should go to the, uh, to Jeffrey Kessler, who's, uh, litigating that case, uh, on behalf of the players, they should go and try to settle that case and work out a framework with Kessler that everybody can live with.
But if this keeps going the way it is, the NCAA is, is know, they could cease to exist at some point. What about who's going to pay it? Court storming fines.
Well, that comes from the individual schools. Yeah.
Now. Yeah.
Yeah. And they love it.
Now we've got a perfect ecosystem. Set up an NIL collective.
I just want to cover all the court storming. Yes.
Yes. The court storming collective.
And then it sounds like all the fans like you that have this great memory will pony up. So I think you should make a donation.
I will. Right now.
I'll leave for the front. Yeah.
10% of your salary a year should cover it. Done.
Easy. I do think.
So, Jay, I mean, we can admit that the act of storming a court, it can be fun for some people. Some other people don't like it.
But let's not discount the fact that it does add to the environment of college sports, right? It improves, I think, the sport overall, the image that we have of college basketball. It's hand in hand with this fan passion and the memories that people do have when they're at schools, they become, you know, the sport,

the love for the sport becomes more ingrained in them for the rest of their

lives.

And it ends up helping the sport a little bit with revenue over the next,

you know, 20, 30 years.

Big Cat's still a huge Wisconsin fan, not because he stormed the court,

not because he stormed the field,

but it adds into that collective memory that he has about his time there.

Yeah.

And makes more passionate fans in the longterm, which I do think is beneficial for the overall game.

Good point.

Thank you.

I don't agree with that.

I think if it ended tomorrow, we would see the same passion and the same ratings and the same level of engagement that we always see.

We don't lead with that.

It's an interesting thing that happens. They do like the visual, but they use it individually.
Each individual school uses it for their own purposes. That's great.
Keep doing it. I don't, you know, I mean, I don't think it matters one bit because, you know, it hasn't changed anything in the popularity of the NFL.
They used to storm the field in the NFL. They don't do it anymore because they've stopped it.
They deem player safety and the safety of others more important. Fan safety, all that, that's more important.
So that's fine. I mean, you know, look, I'm not arguing with you.
I'm not trying to change your perspective on what you like and what you don't like. That's fine with me.
Now, the thing about whether we're going to see a dip in fan interest if we stop it, I don't think we will, because the overwhelming majority of the games don't have one anyway. Yeah.
All right, I got two last questions for you, Jay. We appreciate it.
This is a good discussion. We're agreeing to disagree.
We're having a very respectable discussion here. It's a healthy debate.
Healthy debate. This might not be as healthy.
I saw a tweet that there was a dog that ran on the court in a game in Chile. Do you want that dog put down? No, I want the dog's owner put down.
Okay, well, that's fair. That's fair.
I i don't know if you saw that but somebody could have been bitten on the ankle and injured very badly or yeah or like kyle philipowski could have gotten his tail wagging my leg i think you make you know you guys making fun of this is really unseemly like that that cujo type creature running out the court putting everybody at risk yeah um i would have i would have tasered the dog okay and then euthanized the owner and my dog probably saw this video and was like oh i can run on a court now it sets a bad example yeah exactly exactly you're just encouraging bad pooch behavior yes and i would have i would have clubbed that dog like a baby seal. It all would have stopped.
All right. So my last question,

Rob... bad pooch behavior.
Yes. And I would have clubbed that dog like a baby seal.
It all would have stopped. All right.
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This is a tough question, and I'm putting you on the spot, but can you give me your top three coaches in college basketball right now, not from resume, not, oh, this guy won a title 20 years ago, but in terms of what they're doing right now, schematically, and how they're coaching the game. Do you have that? Yeah.
Josh Schertz at Indiana State would be number one. I don't know if you've watched that.
It's like watching a European pro team that's been together for a long time. It's just magnificent.
And he's a great example of, you know, a Division II coach, you know, kind of like Bo Ryan was at Wisconsin-Platteville, you know, kind of operating in near anonymity. And while all these college assistants are getting jobs, they're ignoring this.
I get it. It's difficult to identify all these guys.
But I would say Josh Schertz, number one. Nate Oates at Alabama, I would put up there.
Nate is doing an amazing job at Alabama. He's putting out a ton of NBA prospects.
But also the way they play. It's sort of analytics-based.
And if you notice now, a lot of what they're doing, they're catching the ball on the run. So they're just not catching it, getting triple threat position like everybody coached years ago.
They're catching on the run. They're really hard to guard when the ball moves.
Offensively, they're ridiculous. And then I think Tommy Lloyd is doing that at Arizona.
And he was an assistant at Gonzaga for 20 years. And one of the big reasons that Gonzaga has been so successful all these years, but off the top of my head, I would say those three, that wouldn't be sort of the traditional, you know, Bill Self's resume or Tom is a resume guys that are doing something different that are elevating the game and kind of evolving it.
That's a good answer. I like it.
Great answer, Jay. Yeah.
Thank you for joining us. Yes.
It's been a. Good discussion.
Seriously though, Jay, I appreciate you joining us because I think you probably knew we would disagree at points and I do think it's lost in sports media where people just scream at each other and no one ever listens to each other and I'm happy you came on and explained your side and we found a little bit of common ground. Screaming at each other is not lost in media.
I't know what you guys are watching no i'm saying it's lost no i'm saying that that's all anyone does actually having a discussion yeah and talking about it and hearing someone else's side whether you agree or disagree just talking about it that is lost yeah i mean and that's why i think like we we do agree like i don't you know like you can like it not like it i i don't care i mean i i respect that that fact um you know i think my position was pretty clear but in today's world people take it and do other things with it i'm good with that i'm not clapping back at people i don't really care uh they can take it and do what they want with it what i said was pretty clear so i don't have a problem with any of it i do have one problem though with your use of agree to disagree i've never understood what that means why can't we just disagree no we don't have to agree to disagree because if you agree to disagree no we did agree i don't need an agreement oh well now this is getting contentious again. Because if you take away the agreement, then we just disagree and we hate each other.
I disagree to agree now. Yeah.
I haven't signed any paper that indicates an agreement to disagree. No, there was actually a little line that you missed when you joined the Zoom that said that any disagreements we agree to disagree on at the end.
Well, I'm glad we agree to disagree. I don't.
Oh, PFT said that case. No, I disagree.
We just disagreed. What would happen? I disagree to agree with you now.
And Jay, a little tip. Well, if we just disagree, then it's on site.
If I see you, it's on site. I disagree to agree.
Yeah. Use that next time.
Also, if you just want to get your word out to the unwashed masses, if you want to get your point across, you can just say, I think court storming is overrated, and then you'll have a debate. Overrated or underrated? Overrated or underrated? And judging court storms, and should they storm? Was this a storm-worthy game? Yeah, it was Category 5.
Where does it fall on the Fujita scale? I also don't, Jay. I also, because now you did the agree to disagree thing, I don't really like the fact that you're like Mr.
Smarty Pants Duke guy who's just saying, oh, that's not what that word means and all that stuff. Well, but disingenuous is calling somebody a liar.
Well, not exactly. I went and looked it up.
It said slightly dishonest and insincere, which I think I kind of nailed. Dishonest? Slightly, slightly dishonest and insincere.
I didn't call you a straight-up liar. Okay, so I'm just a slightly dishonest person.
I call you – all right, listen. You're disingenuous with the Kansas thing.
You're an actual liar when you say Kyle Filipowski was hurt. That make sense? No.
I actually think that Big Cat was paying you a compliment when he called you disingenuous because he knows that you're smart enough to understand the difference between Kansas fans storming the court and maybe like a University of Rhode Island knocking off a top 10 team at home. Thank you, P.M.
And their fans storming the court. You're too smart for that.
You're smart. I think what it meant is not only did you not know what disingenuous means, but you had to look it up.
No. And that's not.
I actually knew what that meant when I was in high school. No, you actually still don't know.
You didn't understand why I brought up Alan Field. Oh, I did.
And it was disingenuous. It was disingenuous.
All right. Well, J.
Bill, thank you very much. Can you be ingenuous? Yeah, you can be ingenuous.
I think Einstein was ingenuous.

Yeah, he was.

Ingenious?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Good point.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

Okay, fine.

You read books and all that stuff.

That's fine.

All right.

Thank you so much, Jay.

We really do appreciate it.

We'll have you back on for March.

Always a pleasure.

That was awesome.

Thank you.

All right.

See you, man.

Take care, Jay.

Okay.

Let's wrap up the show with Pardon Your Take. Listen you, man.
Take care, Jay. Okay.
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What is the worst sports scandal you would want to team? Not me. Them.
What is the worst sports scandal you would want to team to experience in exchange for winning a Super Bowl slash championship?

What?

What is the worst sports scandal that you would want your team to experience? It's a good question. It's a good thought starter.
Big Cat, would you exchange three Stanley Cups for a really bad scandal about a trainer? No. Yeah, I would.
Yeah, you would. Having superstar support uh the leader of a country that is invading a sovereign nation and slaughtering people i think i would take that for stanley cup what about a super bowl but then they found out that you uh videotaped everyone uh no if it so there's a line by the way peter king apologized he was interviewed today and he said his biggest regret in his career was how he handled the fleet gate.
Wow. That actually feels good, doesn't it? No.
I mean, fuck them, but at least he's honest. What's the biggest scandal? This is a weird question.
One thing people don't talk about enough is the fact that Robert Kraft had a Super Bowl ring stolen by Vladimir Putin. Yeah, he did.
When he visited him. He showed him the ring.
I don't think it's stolen. No.
Well, here's what happened. Okay.
Because I read about this the other about this the other day i read back on it because i was like oh yeah we don't talk about that anymore he was visiting putin showed him the ring putin took the ring from him and just put it in his pocket and then craft was like what do i do now then they escort robert craft out of the room he's like fuck vladimir putin has my ring he gets home and he starts talking about the story and the white house or the uh maybe the the state department calls them up and they're like, fuck, Vladimir Putin has my ring. He gets home and he starts talking about the story and the White House or maybe the State Department calls him up and they're like, hey, it'd be great for us if you could just

say that it was a gift to Putin and stop telling everybody that it was stolen.

Yeah.

Putin took his ring.

Yeah.

All right.

So back to this question.

I think the big thing is you wouldn't want it to be a scandal that puts in doubt like

Astro scandal bad.

Yes. I don't know.
What doubt like Astro scandal bad. Yes.

I don't know.

What's the worst?

Patino.

Yeah.

I was just saying that is one that got technically taken away.

Yeah.

Big Cat, would you trade having allegations that you filmed your Super Bowl opponent,

allegations that you filmed all your opponents?

I mean, the Super Bowl thing is in the documentary as false.

Allegations that you're tied in. Flated football is all the reporters have come out and apologized.
Biggest regret of Peter King's career. I'm not done yet.
Murdered three people. No.
I'm going to say no. He never won a Super Bowl, so.
I'm just curious if you would take these allegations. No, I think Max is right.
I think it's got to be like one of the ones they take away, a college one they take away. Who cares? Yeah.
Who fucking cares? You know what sucks? Like Michigan was a perfect example this year because that's like one that people will talk shit and you'll be like, I don't care. We won.
You know what would suck? If you won the World Series and your opponent that you beat, it came out that eight of them were gambling heavily to throw the World Series. Like we talk about the Black Sox.
Who won that World Series?

The Reds.

Who did the Black Sox

lose? Yeah, no one, because

all they think about is...

Oh, yeah, it was the Reds. Yeah, there we go, Hank.

Seamhead. I knew that.

What the fuck? Yeah, good job, Hank.

Way to go. Hank remembers the Reds.
We should remember the Reds.

You're a real Frank the Tank over there. That was crazy.

The 1919 World Series. Hank's just walking around with that information.
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And, of course, Pug. Pug.
Wow, memes. No love.
Someone, this is a good idea. I don't know where I saw it, but we should make a shirt, like maybe part of my take on the front, and then the number is 99 with Pug as the name.
I think it should just be 99 Pug in the front. Nothing on the back.
Just 99 Pug. 99 Pug is actually a good name for a brand.
Yeah. Like you could wear that, and if you know that it's part of my take, you get it,

and if you don't, it's just cool.

All right, we got 99 Pug merch coming.

Mm-hmm.

I have the take that Korean barbecue places

are the worst concept of a restaurant ever made,

and I'm so confused how nobody else agrees

and wants to know y'all's stance.

Idiot.

In my opinion,

you go to a restaurant for other people

to cook your food

because I'm too lazy to do it myself,

but Korean barbecue method

goes against all these standards and forces you to pay to cook your own meat. I get it's supposed to be a social experience, but I find the whole thing to just be another form of manual labor and even worse than I'm paying others to do the work.
So now, many of my friends want to have celebrations at these Korean barbecue places, and I am forced to miss out on birthday dinners because I refuse to equivocate my opinion on this matter. Please help me call a big Korean barbecue.
No. It actually is.
No. Here's the problem that they're missing.
Because I've heard this take before. Why would I go? I cook my own food.
I cook my own food at home. Dishes.
Dishes. You don't have to do the dishes.
Wagyu. But the dishes is what the worst part about cooking at home is the dishes.
What do you mean, Wagyu? I think the best meal I've ever had in- BFT got a little upset. Well, I didn't understand what you were saying.
What do you mean by Wagyu? No, no, no. Finish that thought, Wagyu.
It was a fancy-ass, super, super nice New York Korean barbecue place. So obviously, nice restaurants.
It doesn't matter what it is. The food's always really good.
But it was, I think, the best meal ever. It's incredible.
And it was Wagyu melt in your mouth. I wouldn't want to go every day, but it's awesome.
That's why I think Korean barbecue. I think Wagyu melt in your mouth.
Why were you upset about Wagyu? I just didn't know where he was going with that. Isn't that the whole point? They do meat that you just have to cook for a second? You can get Wagyu anywhere now.
Wagyu's all over the place. Yeah, but not Wagyu.
You cook yourself. That's true.
Touch it down. Touch it down.
Dishes is the big thing, though. Not in your mouth.
Dishes is big, and also the sides are fantastic, and it's a social experience. Right.
You're cooking the food. You're talking about the food.
Everyone at the table is like, oh, flip it over now. Oh, okay.
He gets other conversations going. It's a fun place to go.
A lot of protein. Good place to go if you're on a high-protein, low-carb diet.
This guy, I'll say this right now,

you're going to wake up one day,

10 years from now, you'll be like,

man, that was really stupid that I was that passionate about Korean barbecue

that's very fun to do

and a fun thing to do with your friends.

Again, not every night.

If someone said, hey,

let's go to Korean barbecue every night,

I'd be like, no, I don't want to cook every night,

but it is fun to do.

It's very fun.

Wagyu.

Wagyu.

Dishes, you don't have to do the dishes. Just think about how you don't have to do the dishes and it will change everything in your brain.
Also, every time you go to a Korean barbecue place, it's such a big crapshoot on what you're ordering and how much it is. Get the Wagyu.
Get the Wagyu. Alright, last one.
Some of these aren't takes. We need takes, folks.
Bring some takes. This is a good one.
The playing games for March Madness. Oh, it's not really.
The playing games. I don't want to spoil it.
I don't want to spoil it. I won't spoil it.
This take sucks, buddy. No spoilers.
The playing game for March Madness should be immediately after the bracket drops on Selection Sunday. Should be all the potential 11 seeds show up to play at a neutral site and some get to play in.
Some don't make the tournament and go home. I love it.
Games tip off 50 minutes after they've earned their opponent. 16 seeds get auto-bid into tournament and don't play in playing game.
We would know the bracket right away rather than having one day in between playing games and the actual tournament. I love it.
That's a fantastic idea. But it's actually, you can do this idea and not take away from the 68.
It should just be the bubble. like the last four bubble should have to play on Sunday night and then they get to play in the playing game so like because you wouldn't have been in the tournament anyway it's a bonus game that would be great because then you don't have to complain about the bubble although the bubble complain about the bubble is very fun but here's the thing about the bubble we always complain about it going up And the minute the bracket's out, no one gives a fuck who didn't make the tournament.

No, well, you get the residual, like, the clips of the teams that are disappointed they didn't make.

But there's, like, a very short shelf life because everyone just wants to see the bracket.

They want to put the bracket in their hands.

They want to fill out the bracket.

Like, oh, Clemson didn't make it.

They get maybe, like, two minutes from someone on the desk being like, Clemson should have been in. Okay, who cares? Bracket.
I like the idea of the bubble tournament. That's a very good idea.
And you have it in a bubble somewhere, and you're ready to go. And do you make the team stick around to watch that aren't playing in it? So if there's every team that's like a possibility to get that seed, and they announce which four teams it's going to be in that tournament, do you make the other teams stick around and watch the other teams play for the right to go to the tournament? Wait, so the teams that didn't get in have to sit down? How many teams is this guy saying are on the bubble during this announcement? They have to fly all of them.
I think it's two games. No, you're right.
It's two games, but you have to fly all the teams there for the announcement, and then And then those teams have to be ready to go, and they go play. Yeah, I think you have eight teams there.
Four teams make the game. So then the other four, womp, womp.
And they have to take a bus back. Yeah.
No matter where. I like that.
And Frank the Tank drives. But if there's a dunk contest, and then that gives your team the right to go to the tournament.
Okay. I like it.
This is a good one. That's a good take.
I like that. Because instant games would be great.
Yeah. And it doesn't screw up your bracket because you could do the same thing where you'll find out right after the game who's now in the play-in game.
So it's like bonus games. I like that idea a lot.
I also think they should play the NIT. I think they should rebrand the NIT and they should play it at like 8am on Thursday and Friday.
Appetizers. As appetizers.
Yeah. Just ease us into some games.
It's like two games at like 8 o'clock that you can just be like you know what? I'm just going to get my feet wet. tournaments are there now there's the nit caa it's only three now cit is done oh we have the cbi cbi cit's done but like the njit or something that's the golden pineapple trophy that's the name of a team the highlanders i always had a soft spot for cit and cbi because it's the whole reason i'm like part of the reason why I'm here at Barstool and not didn't fail out of business school was I paid way too much money for a GMAT class.
And I was sitting in the GMAT class and I was sitting in the back watching. I think it was Oregon State in a CIT game on my phone, not a smartphone, a flip phone checking the score.
And I was like, why am I going to business school? I just want to gamble. This is but you learn more from that business class than anybody else though yeah i used to drive by this place all the time the cit ended in 2019 covid shut it down for 2021 it was relaunched and rebranded as the basketball classic in 2022 and it lasted a year we should really we should try to do a tournament here where it's like we're not even it'd be great great if we did a tournament here where we're like, we're not going to broadcast it.

We're not going to do anything.

We just want to gamble a little.

So just like show up or don't.

A private underground.

Yeah.

Show up or don't.

We don't care.

It's cockfighting at halftime.

Yeah.

Winner gets to use the golf simulator.

I like that.

Yeah.

Okay.

Numbers. Eight.
I like that. Yeah.
Okay. Numbers 8.
40? 18. 3.
77. Actually, 88 for Patrick Kane.
88. This will suck if I get 77.
Fuck. 21.
Put myself in the spot. Max, do I do 77 or 88? I'm not answering that.
No, come on. Max.
Pug says 77. Max, 77 or 88? Pug said 77.
Max, 77 or 88? 77. Pug.
All right, I'm going 77. Max said it.
I'll take 88. Oh, no, you dirty, dirty person.
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