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Welcome to Pardon My Take. Today is Wednesday, November 29th, and the Bears might be back, PFT.
Yeah, their defense is back. I wish I loved anything as much as Matt Ibraflus loves throwing tunnel screens.
Well, yeah, Luke Getze. Luke Getze.
Luke Getze loves throwing tunnel screens. Monday Night Football was an abomination of football.
Did it? Now, I'm biased. I was watching the Bears, but did it become, was it so bad it became fun at any point? It was fun because you don't know what was going to happen.
Yeah. You didn't know how the ball was going to get turned over next, what the Bears were going to do on offense squander great field position yep um it was great pass at the end of the game yes like he threw the pass when it counted so justin fields has to be happy about that but i saw i i was addicted to just looking at justin fields passing charts after the game and it was just green dots directly to the side nothing across the middle whatsoever um they say that they're you know they have confidence in him as a quarterback you should let him throw the ball to the middle of the field yes once in a while yes and and some of it is on justin fields because there are times where it feels like he maybe holds on the ball too long and we've talked at length about his uh drop backs being a little slower than everyone else's but overall and this is so i've struggled with this because, and you correctly called me out last week about being in the same spot again this year where it's like, oh, losses are good.
We're in Groundhog's Day. I'm actually happy they won.
I know that you're happy they won. I am.
Hank, you're happy they won. I'm happy they won because the Bears might finally be done like in the total tank off and start actually playing some decent football.

They're four and four in their last eight.

Their defense looks awesome.

Montez Sweat, for the people who laughed at that trade, I think it was just general like knee jerk reaction because the Chase Claypool thing.

The defense is flying around playing great. The offense has dudes.
DJ Moore is awesome. Cole Komet is good.
We can talk about Justin Fields and what that means, but for the first time in a very long time, I'm optimistic about the Chicago Bears and where they're headed because I think you can build off of what they've done defensively, and Ryan Poles brought in Jermaine Edmonds and TJ Edwards and all these guys that are playing well, and a really good draft pick with Darnell Wright. I don't know what's going to happen with Iberflues.
I think he should still be fired, but I am for the first time in a long time, like, hey, the Bears actually have, we're no longer just like a million pieces away. We're a few pieces away from being a good football team.
Yeah, the defense is really good. The quarterback might be one of the biggest.
The defense is really, really good. I think that that's not a fluke.
And if you watch the camera on Ryan Polis throughout the game, there's no way for him to know when the camera's on him. Somebody should let him know when they're focusing on him on the main broadcast because he was just shaking his head, like, I can't believe this shit.
But then after the game, they the game they won and he looked like the happiest person on earth yes they kind of unleashed it at the end just just enough to make it count um i agree i agree that uh sweat is an impact maker on defense i told you he was better than chase young no you were not one of those people there it was more the i get it and when you root for a bad franchise you become the butt of a a lot of jokes. People were like, how? Why would they do this? Why not just sign him in free agency? It's like, well, you don't know if he's going to sign in free agency.
You don't know what the price is going to be. Ryan Poles is aggressive.
He got a he got a impact player that's going to be very good and signed him long term. What I don't want to have happen is for all of us to turn on Josh Dobbs because it feels like it feels like we're starting to have the the conversation i've heard a lot of people talk about like well maybe that's this is why josh dobbs has been on so many teams in the last three years now he had a bad game last night very bad game last night um very bad game i still i still want josh dobbs around i don't i'm not going to forget what josh dobbs did for america this season taking just dog shit cardinals games and making them entertaining for us that time where he filled in for kirk cousins on like two days or not kirk cousins um backup backup came in on like two days notice didn't know the receivers names i i'm willing to overlook a bad game or two from josh dobbs and just trust the process with him and just know that yeah he's probably not a long-term situational starter for anybody but Josh Dobbs still has a place in this NFL and he's good enough to play yeah he um he maybe should just not learn the playbook because we we talked about this when he went to Minnesota and played well in the first couple games and when he was in Arizona he had been signed to the Cardinals like two weeks before the season started and played well in September maybe it's just learning the playbook is too much what's the name of that learning curve where I think it's might just be called the learning curve but if you start at a new job sometimes you're really good at the start because you don't know anything right so you ask a lot of questions and then you think you know everything you just play free football so you get so after you think you know everything then you get bad and then you get good again once you do actually know everything.
So we need to find him getting good again. We need to just keep him playing football in the NFL until he gets good again.
Yes. I like that.
And the Vikings, that was a bad loss for the Vikings because now you have the Packers and Rams breathing down their throat. Great loss for the Lions, though.
Great loss for the Lions. Lions have to play the Bears next week after the bye week.
Was this Iberflus' first divisional win? It took 30 weeks, 30 regular season weeks for the Iberflus pulls combo to make good on their guarantee. Ryan Poles in his introductory press conference said we're going to take the North and we're never going to give it back.
This is the start. This is the start i i know people will shit on me for being optimistic here but i i really do feel like the first time like i can see everything that poles is doing and the defense building on the defense and having like having a true number one wide receiver having a true number one tight end having a really good darnell right like it it does still all come down to what they want to do with Justin Fields.

And I guess I'm open to whatever the next coach, hopefully the next coach, decides.

Because I've talked myself into maybe doing Marvin Harrison and offensive linemen.

And seeing if you could get Justin Fields to take another step forward.

Or if the new coach comes in and says, we need a quarterback.

Alright, draft your quarterback.

But they have, again, it comes back to the fact that for the first time in a long time,

the another step forward or if the new coach comes in and says we need a quarterback all right draft your quarterback but they have a again it comes back to the fact that for the first time in a long time the bears don't feel they're like three or four guys away not 15 guys away i think and it all depends on where you where the panthers finish up it looks like you're probably going to have the first overall that's a that's the part that i don't care about winning because like we have that in our back pocket if you have the first overall pick i think the move is probably to try to trade justin fields and how many years does he have left he's two i believe so see what you can get for him decide on his option at the end of next year decide on it and then um yeah see what you can get for him and then i think the new coach is going to probably want to go in a different direction i also was very happy happy for Justin Fields because his defense has let him down a lot.

Last year, there was a lot of games where he played okay, and the defense gave up like 30 points.

So it was nice to have a reversal where the fumble was bad, very bad.

I think we all expected it to happen.

And then the defense bowed up, and they were able to win the game.

At the very end of the game.

It's weird to think, like, this is the first time in a year and a half

where I'm like, yeah, I'm actually happy because for culture-wise, I know the tanking helps the draft pick. But at some point you have to win so that you just can start to shed the loser culture.
You know what would be great, though, if somehow a coach was so good at tanking that they drew up specific plays and designed interceptions. Yeah.
And so the play is, all right, you're going to hit this DB on this route. Well, Josh Dobbs was doing that last night.
Yeah, so you've got to hit this guy on this route, and then that's going to give him a better chance to return it for six and see how well you can execute on your intentionally bad plays. That's next-level shit.
I don't think the NFL is ready for it yet. At the very end of the game, was your butthole just like a little bit tight? A little bit of a kick? When they started throwing the ball back and forth, back and forth, back and forth back and forth oh yeah until they threw the flag for illegal forward pass i just i was thinking like kind of like when we watched the jets on black friday yeah this could happen to the bears yeah it's going to happen to a team it could happen to the bears i usually i don't get nervous till they're on like the 40 uh the you know the opposing 40 yeah they got to about midfield but yeah i'm i know people are going to be like what the fuck why are you being optimistic i'm i'm optimistic about the bears for the first time in a long time i can see that the pieces are starting to come into place and ryan pole's doing a good job he's brought in some good free agents trades all that stuff they also look like they're happy with each other yeah like they're honestly i i think they like other, which is sometimes when you go through a season like this where you lose a lot, especially early on, you just start to not be that pumped about coming to work.
I've seen that before. The one thing I'm nervous about is the Bears' schedule at the end of the season is not that hard.
We have the Lions next week or after the bye week at home. And then, obviously, at Browns, Browns' defense is really good, but we don't know who's going to be playing quarterback.
Cardinals, Falcons, at Packers. Matty Buflus might be able to keep his job, which that scares me.
I really want him to just be promoted to D.C. I don't think he is.
He's a really good defensive coordinator. He's doing stuff that Alan Williams never dreamt of doing.
He's coaching this defense to be significantly better the last, whatever, whatever month and a half. But yeah, that's my only, that's all my, my only concern.
It's really comes down to this. The bears have all the options in front of them.
I can see all the pieces. I'm very optimistic.
Now it's, you have to execute and make the right decisions, which we all know that could blow up in our face. It could, it could.
And don't get me wrong. It was a shitty game.
Yeah, no, it was terrible. It was a really bad game.
game the bear should have won by like 21 you have a right to be optimistic about the future but for most of america watching that it was bad it was so bad that that troy just started laughing in the fourth quarter yeah the offense was bad i think they threw another like three yard loss on a screenplay to a wide receiver and troy was just he didn't have any commentary he probably just wanted to reach out to the telestreet and draw the dick and balls on it because it was it was it was laughably laughably bad offense yeah from the bears for for a very long time and they did enough to win great good for the bears i'm happy for the bears i'm happy that i think you guys are actually ahead of us i miscalculated that because the first tiebreaker is not head to head no it's first tiebreaker is strength of schedule yes so you guys are ahead of us by just a little bit. Who do you have on Sunday? Bye week.
Bye week. Okay.
Yeah. We have the Dolphins, so we're going to lose.
Right now, the Patriots are the third pick, the Bears are the fourth pick, and the Commanders are the fifth pick. Okay.
Love it. Look at us.
Who would have thought? However. Look at us.
If you look at the top. Look at us, Hank.
Maybe we'll go to the Combine this year and actually scout. Yeah.
Projecting cap space for next year. I think that's the order that it's in, too.
I think we're the top three. Listen, if you're buying stock, you should be buying stock in our fandom right now.
This room is about to become winners in three to five years. I used our good friend Tom Fernelli's safe space sounding board for a lot of stuff because, you know, we're both Bears fans working sports media.
We were saying maybe playoffs next year. So it's scary.
But, yeah, let me just I'm having one one good victory victory Tuesday. What's your record right now? We're four and eight.
Why not playoffs this year? Four and four in the last eight. You're in the hunt.
Yeah, I don't think playoffs this year. I don't think that's going to happen.
You're in the hunt. I'm just trying to talk you into it.
Also, I told my son that we won the game, and he was actually very excited. So tanking, maybe not.
And then he got me back by asking to listen to Taylor Swift on the car ride to school. He's got good taste.
I think he's doing that to troll me. You've got to separate the art from the artist of Taylor Swift.
Great musician, terrible human being. No, we banged outlor swift i turned it on i'm not a i'm not a monster i was like let's listen to some taylor swift all right uh good news for the vikings justin jefferson is back right it didn't you get did i get i got a schefter uh notification about him i might have missed that one this was his last week to be on the ir okay okay jordan addison looked good again last night for the most part except for well that was more josh jobs throwing him out of bounds yeah that That should have been a touchdown.
That was a crazy play. Okay.
Okay. Jordan Addison looked good again last night for the most part.
Except for, well, that was more Josh Jobs throwing

him out of bounds. Yeah, that should have been a touchdown.

That was a crazy play. Yeah,

he's activated. Okay.

And then also Aaron Rodgers said that

anyone who says that he made up his

injury can go fuck themselves. Okay.

Yeah. I do that several times a day.

So, any other NFL

stuff before we talk about college ball?

Yeah, Bryce Young got the dreaded vote of

confidence from his owner. So, David Tepper

gave a big press conference today, answered questions. They asked him about the choice to draft Bryce Young over C.J.
Stroud, and he made sure to say several times this was unanimous. Everybody in the room said it's unanimous.
Sounds like he's trying to get out in front of the story that Frank Reich is probably going to say, which is he's going to say, I want CJ Stroud. That's a classic former coach move.
But Tapper made sure to say several times it was unanimous. We all agreed on this.
Do you remember that? I think it was in Independence Day when they decided to nuke the United States because all the aliens. Yeah.
Where the president was like, I need everybody to be unanimous about this because this is what i want to do and i don't want somebody going to the press later i think that's what tepper was saying yeah during the draft process like we have to be all in on bryce young so you tell me that you're all in right now frank yeah frank was like sir yes sir i'm all in the um so we we should say what was the guy's name the reporter he? He's now officially off the hot seat. Kunkel.
Kunkel, who his wife is in AWL. So he tweeted us and was like, my wife was very happy to hear my name getting said, even though it's a fake name, Kunkel.
But yeah, he is off the hot seat because he reported that Frank Reich's seat was on fire. And we said that if he doesn't get fired on Monday, then Kunkel's on the hot seat.
Yeah. Kunkel, you're on the cool throne.
Cool throne for sure. Yeah, but David Tepper is, I mean, he's so quickly become the worst owner.
I don't know. I mean, Dan Snyder leaving helped.
Yeah, helped out a whole lot. I mean, the Bears owner.
Yeah, although they're like... But they're not a cartoon supervillain.
Yeah, they're passively bad.

He's aggressively bad.

Yeah.

Where he's doing too much.

He's the problem.

There's a lot of owners that you're like, hey, could you do maybe more or hire the right people?

He's like, I'm going to just fix all these problems by micromanaging and firing people.

I'm going to run the team myself.

Yeah.

Frank Reich, congratulations to Frank Reich. He's now double dipping on buyouts.
Good for him. Back-to-back years, gets fired midseason.
He's getting money from Mr. Ursae as well as Mr.
Tepper right now. I heard a little rumor, Max.
Maybe you can address this. Frank Reich, who did he used to be the offensive coordinator for? Eagles.
Yeah. What about him going? Is he coming home?

I would, well.

Another set of eyes?

Right now it's looking like Johnson's going to be a top candidate for a head coach in the offseason.

I would have no problem with Frank Wright coming home being an OC for the Birds.

I could see them bringing him in for the rest of the season as like an offensive consultant.

They like doing that.

Just get another guy in the building?

No, no, no.

Not now. You don't think so? Not now.
Eh that. Just get another guy in the building.
No, no, no. Not now.

You don't think so?

Not now.

Eh.

Eh.

He could come in the building now.

Yeah.

I'd take it back.

He could come in now.

Or.

He won a Super Bowl.

Send him out to LA.

Reunite him with Carson Wentz.

Recreate some of that, Matt.

Nah.

Nah, I'll take him.

Chris Tabers, their interim head coach, who did.

He has coached a game when Matt Nagy got COVID in 2021. He coached one game for the Bears.
Who could forget? Yeah. So he is their interim.
I'm going to have to decide if he can get a little dead coach bounce for them. They might just be bad.
I kind of like David Tepper though. Just in the sense of like- Yeah, because he's not our owner.
He's not our owner. Yeah, right.
He's fun to talk about, and he's fun to observe. Actually, I was lucky enough to have dinner with him in Cabo on Valentine's Day this year.
I don't know if I told you guys that. What? Yeah.
Well, he was sitting at the table directly next to mine at the resort. His, how do I say this diplomatically? His wife really likes Pinot Grigio.
A lot whole lot who doesn't yeah a lot damn vacationing with billionaires she had a great time yeah uh yeah he i'm not on any flight what happened after oh you know we all went back to the suite had a good time he uh he he does kind of rule in the fact that um like super super rich guys that get everything they want for their entire life then get to a point where what they've done doesn't work anymore is very fun to watch. Yeah.
He's like, I'm just going to do the same thing I've done all my life because that's why I'm rich. It's like, well, the NFL works a little different, buddy.
It's everyone else's problem. Right.
It's not mine. Right.
Exactly. Exactly.
All right. Anything else in NFL? We'll do some college.
do some college we have a herb street on so we're gonna do a bunch of college with him i think we can get into it more on friday's show but i just want to say max i am i feel disrespected for the eagles because now i think they're three point underdog two and a half no i think it moved it moved yeah i think it moved to three earlier whoa so i think it jumped up to three i i still think that the 49ers might win this game but this is actually giving sirianni all the ammunition that he could ever need he's perpetually looking for a way to call himself an underdog as most coaches are but this is like this is gold for him yeah he's gonna be blasting rock damn guys you guys suck three-point underdogs at home what's your record max that'd be 10 and 1 Yeah. 10-1.
Well, the. You guys are going to suck.
3.0 at home. What's your record, Max?

That'd be 10-1. Yeah.
10-1.

Well, the Niners are better than that, right?

Nope. Weird.

I bet

the Niners are minus one.

What do you mean they're minus one? I bet them at minus

one on Sunday night. You just

keep making up lines. You just keep

making up lines. I'll show you my bet slip.

Bosco? You want to see my bet slip? Here. Minus one one when was it at minus one hey come here come here yeah i know you believe me but come look and confirm so that max yet again yet again loser max and his loser excuses can fucking shut up look at that right there is that not minus one that's minus one.
That's minus one. All right, fine.
You're just a bird's hater now. You know what it is? You're upset that you didn't place your future earlier because you had this whole plan that the Eagles were going to lose all these games during this gauntlet.
My plan is still going to work. My plan is still going to work.
The Eagles were going to lose all these games during this gauntlet, and then you were going to hop on, and it's not going to plan. It's still going to work.
It's still going to work. That's what it is.

Yeah, of course it is.

Of course it is.

No duh.

No duh.

All right.

Let's do a little college football and then we'll do hot seat, cool throne.

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Quick college football because we do talk with Herbie about a lot of it. One thing we didn't talk to him about, though, I actually think this might be the worst loss for a fan base ever in Ohio State.
Okay. So hear me out.
They had an opportunity on Saturday to essentially erase three years of Michigan football and go like back to when Ohio State, I think there was a stretch from 2003 or whatever to 2021 where they had won every single time except for like two if they had won on Saturday they could have all gone around and said the only reason you beat us was because you cheated and the minute you couldn't cheat anymore all the all the normalcy has been restored in the world and we're better than you and it's just a blip on the radar you cheaters now Michigan with with their backup you know with their interim head coach sharon moore who called a great game gets to be like you guys you guys cried you bitched you moaned you started investigations and we still just ran the ball down your throat i think you might be right um because yeah you're always looking for an excuse right it was a rivalry game like that and you had a built-in one saying like okay it was all it was all done like cloak and dagger shit behind the scenes you can't beat us man oh man sharon moore i think here's a here's a take sharon moore by being like a step head coach that only visits on weekends he was actually in a better position than ryan day was because more he can like let his freak flag fly yeah and. And doesn't really have to worry about, okay, well, I've got, I have to be a Michigan head coach that beats Ohio State.
Yeah. He's just there like kind of keeping the seat warm for Jim when he comes back.
Although he might be the guy in next year. He could go for it.
He could go for it when he wanted to. He made some really aggressive calls.
And Ohio State, Ryan Day, I don't think Ohio State played a bad game at all i thought ohio state played a pretty good game over agreed it was just a good game of football and the funniest part of the game i don't know if you caught this i'm a bit of a fly boy so i saw during the uh the flyover before the game you see the plane that they flew over yes it looked like it was a delta airlines flight yes not your standard b2 f22 f18 f16 i can keep going but it was a uh it was a poseidon and a poseidon is a spy airplane it's a dedicated spy espionage surveillance airplane that they flew over the stadium that has to be the most expensive troll of all time yes right michigan can do it and they can do it steven ross probably just wrote the check and it worked i mean i wouldn't be surprised if Harbaugh was in there. Yeah.
Like, put him in some fatigues. Yeah.
Strap a parachute on him. But I think that's the most expensive troll.
Yeah. And it really is.
Ohio State, it's almost like, I think, it's a skins game in golf. When the hole, like, if you have a hole, it counts as two to the next one.
That was a skins game in football. They basically could have won three games yeah in one yeah they could have now actively yeah and ryan day uh i agree with you ohio state wasn't it wasn't like the last two years where michigan was like we're just more physical than you we're tougher than you we kick the shit out of you this was a very even game it just came down to ryan day being a little too conservative in a couple moments that cut like the end of half yeah when he was like hey let's have our kicker who's never kicked this far yeah in a rivalry game in cold weather tried the longest kick ever instead of trying to get a few more yards he make the first one though he did i think which i think is always a stupid thing to do to follow through yeah as a kicker i would always like a warm-up shot though but but once you make it once you're just like you lose it can i do that again yeah it's like trump's theory of of your body being a battery yeah once you lose that it's gone for yes that's one one less made kick that you'll ever have in your entire life yes you make a chip shot into practice uh yeah it was it was weird at the end of the half i i if i were the kicker i would definitely take that shot uh but it worked icing the kicker works people forget that like There's studies out there that have shown that on long field goals, icing the kicker is actually like you can prove that it's 5%, 10% better, depending on the kicker, obviously.
But I want to stand up real quick for the big house. The big house gets slandered sometimes because of the way it's designed.
Yeah, it's great for this game. game it gets loud for this game it was so fucking yeah yeah i was expecting like i've i've watched many games played at michigan before and um i've never thought to myself it's actually not that loud on the field it always seems loud on the field to me i just think that it could be even louder yeah no it could there's no like disrespect to it it's very very loud but you could do a whole lot better oh yeah i yeah.
I mean, I've been to, I don't know, probably four or five games at the big house.

It's an insane stadium.

It's impressive just the size.

And it's also very cool because you walk in basically halfway up.

So it's like sunken.

So when you walk in, you're walking in on the street level, you're like 70 rows up or whatever it is. So it's it's very cool but yeah the the way it's set up is the sound kind of escapes but that game yeah it was so loud yeah and going on the field after it was a great college football Saturday we had the iron bowl which was just insane which we talked to Herbie about uh the one thing we didn't talk about the apple cup was awesome and Kal DeBoer, that fourth down call where he did the trick play on his own like 20, the balls on that, like your entire season is on the line right there.
And he's like, yeah, this is when I got this play, which was like a fake handoff pitch outside that went for like 40 yards. That was a great game.
And Washington washington they are kind of like tcu last year they just find a way to win these games yeah the apple cup is a very underrated rivalry yeah i think like unless you're playing it unless you're from the northwest you don't you don't understand just like how much those two fan bases hate each other it's bad it's bad it's almost like sec level on that game day they're like at each other's throats um so i am glad would they extend five years i think so yeah yeah so that at least they got something right yeah with the with all the realignment like yeah keep some of these traditions also we had our first arch manning sighting yes in texas they beat the fuck out of texas tech yes they it was a whopping i forget how many they won by i think they were up by 50 at the time 57 7 57 7 1 by 50 arch manning gets in i think at the end of the third quarters when they put him in the game and i have a take about arch manning are you ready for this because you have to have a take about arch manning i think i figured out what mine's going to be early um i think arch manning might be too good of a quarterback i don't think that there are receivers out there that are good enough to play with arch manning he had two touchdown passes i think it was on his first drive um that were just fucking laser beams right on their hands bounced off their hands it reminds too good of a ball yeah too good of a ball i don't think maybe maybe josh mcdaniel's offensive genius who's just too advanced for the modern day nfl yeah maybe he could figure out a way to get Arch Manning quarterback in the future. But you remember when we were watching March Madness and Marquise Noel? Yeah.
He's throwing those passes between his legs behind the back. Surprising his guys.
Surprising his guys. The ball was going out of bounds.
I think Arch is up to those kind of tricks. I think he's too good at playing quarterback.
I like that. He's so good that he sucks.
I like that. Yeah, Arch Manning, let's get him in the game.
Yeah. All right, so we have a lot more college football talk.
Don't be upset that we're not doing everything because we're going to get through all the playoff iterations and everything with Kirk Herbstreet. That was a great Saturday.
That was just a great college football Saturday where it's just all these rivalry games, chaos everywhere, and we still haven't had the big chaos, which maybe happens this championship Saturday. Like it just hasn't.
It feels like we're always right there. And we haven't had the, oh man, like now everything's flipped up.
I'm rooting for chaos. Yeah.
I love it. I'm rooting for them to have to admit that games don't matter, which is what they're going to admit.
I think games matter, but I think they're going to, I want to just like put in alabama over texas and then the whole farce of it be like games don't matter no one should schedule anyone yeah so we talked to herby about it but uh the whole florida state thing i actually i i had an aha moment this morning when i woke up and i was like wait a second like they they want to have big names in this playoff and right now florida state even though they are they are a big name traditionally, they don't have the same buzz as a Texas would have. So I'm just thinking that Florida State will get fucked.
If Florida State wins by 40 points, then they'll get in. Then they'll get in.
But if you're a Seminole fan, I'm sorry, but I think you're about to get fucked. I don't think so.
Games have to matter. They have to matter.
But yeah, we'll do an extended conversation with Herbie in a minute about that. Let's do Hot Seat Cool Throne.
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Tragic day for journalism. I mean, the.

The. Oh, yeah.
I had that too, Hank. Do it.
Sad day for journalism. Let's do it.
Let's get into it. I love stealing our hot seats.

Tragic day for journalism.

I mean, the biggest magazine in our lives, my life growing up, was Sports Illustrated.

That was the premier place for sports articles.

Read the back page.

They got caught for hiring an AI firm to not only write fake articles, but they made fake AI looking headshots for the fake writers so that the articles would appear real. They got called out for it, deleted all the articles, and then released a statement on X closing all the comments.
So they basically were like, we hired a third-party website. We didn't know what they were doing.
We have a process.

We were in the middle of checking this out when this came to light,

and so we've taken them down, trying to take no blame for it.

But it was clear that they just tried to outsource everything to AI.

This makes me question everything now.

Yeah.

Was Rick Riley a real person?

Was Peter King a real person?

Yeah, it was funny watching a bunch of the Sports Illustrated people be like, I actually was a real person. Yeah, I don't know.
I'm not convinced that Peter King's real. I actually think Peter King is fake.
I'd agree. Peter King, he's not real.
He's AI. You know what their business model was for the last, like, three years? It was basically like, look at this funny tweet.
So they would just, like, find a funny tweet from, like, a player, and then the headline would be like, you won't believe what Shaq just tweeted. And then it would just be a screenshot of the tweet.
And I'm pretty sure all those were written by just AI, just robots. So I don't fully understand AI.
I did see that AI singer. Oh, she sucks.
Sucks. She's awful.
That was actually my first moment where it was like, everyone who's getting upset about AI. No, no, no.
AI sucks. Nothing to worry about.
We beat AI. I think AI might have...
It would be funny if AI's only body that it ever caught was Sports Illustrated. Yeah.
Like, if you told yourself... If you told, like, 13-year-old PFT and Big Cat when you're sitting on the shitter reading Rick Riley back page, you're like, the future's going to be scary.
Sports Illustrated's going to be run by robots. Like, that's it? Yeah.
Okay. I'll yeah okay i'll take that trade yeah also i feel very secure in my job i don't think that we would ever be able to take in over by ai do you think there's no ai we could no there's no ai that's that's stupid enough yeah how would they have the same discussions that we have how would they get it how would they get things wrong all the time like don't don't computers get things right yeah can you imagine an ai having a debate about whether or not to be one of the lines yeah it could have takes bad takes we have we have the voice stuff just be very wrong about things i think we're close to the like you know no i think terminator extinction no you know what matrix and Terminator all one movie.

We're getting very close to the AI is here.

Everyone thinks it's bad.

But the second that it fixes itself and gets good, we're fucked.

And then it's over.

You're being a mouthpiece for big AI.

No, I'm anti-AI.

I think we need to accept that it's a threat.

I don't think there's anything we can do, honestly, at this point. That's why you're being a mouthpiece for it.
I agree with our friend Jay Caspian Kang on this. He is of the mindset, and I agree with him 100%, that the people who are being terrified about AI and all this buzz about AI, like taking over everyone's job, taking over the world, that's marketing.
That the AI people are trying to get out there to build buzz about AI. It makes you think it's advanced.
It's also one of those situations where you have to ask yourself, are we too online? The answer is always yes. Do regular people think about AI? Are they like having...
They're going to be the first ones. But like it's a big fucking world out there.
I feel like this is one of those debates that happens on Twitter and we have to take a step back and be like, whoa, we're way too online. Like, who cares? I think we should care.
AI is definitely coming for like the trucking industry first. And then the truckers aren't going to put up with that shit.
They're just going to park their big rigs on the highways and be like, yeah, truckers will figure it out for us. Truckers always save us.
Shout out truckers. By the way, you mentioned our friend Jay Caspian King.
He had a really good point about the Auburn loss in the Iron Bowl. He said, devastating for Auburn fans.
Only comparable thing I can think of is when Coach K brought 80 plus former players to Cameron for his last game and lost to Carolina and then apologized to the crowd and said they would finish the season strong and then they lost again in the Final Four. Yeah.
I like that. That is really the only thing comparable.
I liked it. I think I might change his hurt or injured board to just how like shows since Big Cat's shoehorned Coach K into it.
It was. He said Jay Caspian King.
I saw a tweet that was very funny that I retweeted. I basically said that.
That was PFT's fault. Yeah, it was my fault.
He brought up Jay Caspian King. My other hot seat not ai i think i got a computer virus so if you get any emails or anything whoa what happened i was you can't just be like oh blah blah blah got a computer virus pft what's your hot seat how'd you get it hank i was downloading a i was making a editing a video and i was downloading a song from youtube youtube to mp3, classic.
Yep. And I got hit with the fake download button.
Oh. Oh.
I hit that, and it opened up, and then I wasn't paying attention. I got an allow or decline screen for, like, I thought it was to get the download.
So I clicked allow, but it was for push notifications from this hack website, and then I just got a million push notifications. Oh, no.
I did this. iCloud's hacked this is hacked hank you're you're officially a boomer now oh no i did this exact same thing last week that i just kept getting all the push notifications but i just like went into my settings and turned it off and i haven't noticed anything the there is nothing scarier than that moment when you do the one click too many, and then you basically tell yourself that if you can just X out fast enough, you'll be fine.
I just X, X, X, X. You're like, all right, I'm good.
I'm good. I just turned my computer off.
Yeah. The notification came up.
It was like your Gmail is being hacked, like open. I clicked open.
No, no, no, no, no, no. I did two clicks too many pizza i should be fine uh we'll see though so just something to keep in mind we have to keep an eye on you now like i have a rule with my mom that before she clicks on any links she asked to like send me a screenshot download on the button i think you need to ask us that's tough hank you got to let us know when you're thinking about downloading i was trying to make a highlight reel you're a c-suite guy dunking on on pft well this actually might be why you're old Wait downloading.
I was trying to make a highlight reel. You're a C-suite guy.
Fucking dunking on PFT. This actually might be why you're old.
Who gets- Wait, what were you going to make a highlight reel of? From Surviving Barstool when I went five or six on new shooting. I made it.
It's out there. Great.
Who's gotten fished the most at this company? Who's got what? Who's gotten fished, scammed? Jerry. No.
Who? Erica. Oh, yeah.
Erica does get scammed left and right.

We get texts from fake Ericas all the time.

C-Suite Life.

Yeah.

But this also means you might be getting old.

Like, we're the young whippersnappers that have got to come in and look at your computer

and be like, let's fix this real quick for you.

I don't think I've ever gotten hacked.

There's beans.

There's beans in the computer.

It's been, you know, I'm just preemptively saying it just saying it. He said he thinks I'm fine.
You ever see that video? Which one? The guy puts he has a desktop and he just puts like five cans of beans in his desktop and then he hires a geek squad guy to come check it out and the guy opens it up. He's like, there's beans in here.
He's like, what do you mean? There's beans in the computer. That's you, Hank.
Yeah. My cool throw is the sun, the fucking sun.
Aaron Rodgers. Oh, yeah.
Like, like, tweet. Yeah.
About sunscreen basically being here. I'll read the tweet.
Yeah, I saw this. Like Tom Brady.
Just drink a bunch of water. Yeah.
It's from Russell Okung. Proud proud base parent moment my four-year-old stopped me and asked why other people use sunscreen i looked at him seriously and responded corporations push propaganda machines to make the masses believe the sun is bad for them we have a different view now let's go yes that parent sucks on that butthole just get to get the tank going russell okung he's the uh the former offensiveeman.
I think he took his entire salary in crypto. Yeah, he did.
That parent could have easily just been like, sunscreen's bullshit. You just say that.
It's also like a Ruth Kahn to correct. Yeah, that's not a real conversation.
There's no way. No one talks to their kids like that.
Why would a four-year-old stop? I mean, you know better. No.
Why do other people use sunscreen? No, my son has probably asked that. Like like i don't want to put on sunscreen i'm like well you got to my four-year-old son chris he he respects the sun that's day one stuff as a dad the the whenever a kid asks why you just say because that's it game over also selling selling based dad merchandise would probably do a lot of merch.

Yeah.

A lot of sales.

All right, PFT, your hot seat, Cool Throne?

Well, Hank stole my hot seat with the AI thing.

What an asshole.

So I'm just going to say hot seat the PGA Tour.

Ooh.

Because Tiger Woods says that he's going to come back

and play one event per month next year.

Love it.

The Tiger's back in the news.

I hope he does.

I hope he does.

That'd be the Cool Throne? What's that, Hank? Wouldn't the PGA, that'd be the best? No, because Tiger's going to beat all of them. But the tour will be thrilled.
The hot seat's the other players. The other players.
Thank you, Jake. That's what he meant.
Yeah, that's right. That was too many.
Follow along, Hank. You got to fucking do what you get.
You said the PGA Tour. The PGA Tour is thrilled.
The PGA Tour roster is on the hot seat. Yes, the roster.
That is now what he's doing. Shut the fuck up, Hank.
Can you cut off Hank's mic, please? You got a virus in your brain? You said the PGA Tour. The PGA Tour is thrilled.
The PGA Tour roster is on the hot seat. Yes, the roster.
That is no way. Shut the fuck up, Hank.
Can you cut off Hank's mic, please? You got a virus in your brain. Thanks, Max.
My cool throne is Darren Revell. Oh.
Because Darren Revell left the Action Network. So now that he's gone.
Left or fired? Don't know. Ambiguous.
Now that he's gone, now he can do fun stuff like come on part of my take. Oh, yeah.
He's going back to sports business to sports business full time Oh no So he's going to be at another competitor? Damn it Damn it So we can't have him on the show Fuck I don't know where he's going I was hoping that Darren would be able to come on the show Now that he no longer worked at the Action Network Well Jake just said he's not Sports business isn't a Do you want me to correct? Yeah correct Sports business isn't a place Okay so where's That's true Well's true. Well, for Darren, it is.
He will be working at... It's like Narnia.
Most likely. He just walks in, and he looks through, and there's waterfalls, and there's prices on people wearing Ray-Bans, and how much did they get for wearing Pumas instead of Nikes? There's a Beckett's MLK Junior catalog.
That is a place for him. Yeah, but thank you for destroying the joke, Hank.
I appreciate that. We're just saying that Ravel will not be able to come on part of my take, but that's all right.
We've had this debate for years. I think one time.
I know. I just don't like him.
That'd be great. I like him now.
He gave me this job, kind of. His existence.
Darren Revelle can come on this show if he honestly answers all questions about Northwestern and Pat Fitzgerald. And I want three pieces of his African American memorabilia.
Yeah. I would be donating to a museum no you want over three over three three plus and he's going to a museum darren that's funny on this day of all days call me racist if he comes on the show i just want to have this approver film on a tv above me he did have a little bit of he had a little bit of uh self-awareness when he he did tweet yeah so he gets points for that but yeah ravelle if you want to answer all questions about patford sherald uh and over three pieces of memorabilia to pft and you guys have to pledge that you're not going to prank him like last time oh yeah pft totally pranked him by doing the shake my hand and then.
No, when you got. You guys called him up, right?

No, he did download too slow.

And Darren's like, I don't like that. No, I'm saying when he called in and you hung up on him.

Esports?

We used to call him.

Oh, yeah.

Esports Minute.

Yeah, that's right.

You're like, but Darren, what's up?

And he started talking.

You're like, sorry, loser.

And you hung up on him right away.

The entire interview is going to be a prank.

Should we call him right now?

Yeah, let's see him call.

Let's ask him where his next place is.

And I'm just going to hang up on him.

Hello?

Hey Darren, it's Big Cat from Pardon My

Take. We were wondering if you had any

comment about your next move in sports business.

Is this being taped?

This is being taped.

I hung up.

That was mean.

That was mean.

That was so mean.

Remember when he tried to fight me at Ruff and Rowdy

and he wanted like $3 million?

I'd fight him for free, for the record.

I didn't like that.

What?

I just, I don't know.

I think it was mean.

Hanging up on him?

Yeah.

Jake, riddle me this, riddle me that.

What is meaner?

Hanging up on Darren Revelle before we just brutally make fun of him?

Or keeping him on the line and making fun of him i don't know i don't know okay uh all right my hot seat is the blackhawks because one patrick kane uh is a red wing which is disgusting to see even though i love patrick kane forever and two uh the blackhawks, they always get into these situations where something happens and then rumors start and they're never just forthright about it, but Corey Perry has been released and there's some rumors going around the internet. Who knows what happened? But I'll just say this, the Blackhawks should do a better job of making sure they protect conor bedard at all costs and you're he's your franchise player maybe just do a press conference and explain what happened yeah or at least give a security detail to his mom um yeah i think this is going to be really bad for bedard because every other player in the league every other every other fan in the league when bedard visits town now has some raw meat yeah they've got they've got a lot of ammo like how do you fuck this up this is your fucking franchise guy it's your franchise guy if you're scouting a franchise guy you want to make sure that his mom is not attractive i don't like the rumors that you're starting i'm not starting a rumor cory perry did bad.
It had nothing to do with anything else.

That's my official statement. Put it out.
He did something. Here's my official statement.
Corey Perry did something bad. It had nothing to do with anything else.
Protect Conor Bernard at all costs. But that is not related to the Corey Perry thing.
That's my official statement. That's fair.
All right. My cool throne is men because I,

it's similar to the,

the sunscreen thing i don't know if you guys saw this but there was a uh viral tweet that went around the internet uh this woman tweeted to me a physically mentally emotionally and spiritually healthy man does the following so i don't know if we can check off the list see if that we're there. Doesn't vape.
Yeah, for the last three days. Okay.
Doesn't smoke

weed. And does the following.
So I don't know if we can check off the list. See if we're there.

Doesn't vape.

Yeah, for the last three days.

Okay.

Doesn't smoke weed.

Doesn't get vaxxed.

Doesn't watch porn.

Lifts weights weekly.

Yeah.

Prioritizes sleep.

No.

Yes.

Eats lots of steak and eggs.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Doesn't drink tap water.

I don't.

I drink body armor. Doesn't use AirPods.
I don't. I drink body armor.
Doesn't use air pods. I don't.
I don't either. Would choose a podcast over music.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's odd. Every day, Hank, you work at a podcast, Hank.
You work at a podcast factory. I don't listen to other ones.
That's what we do. We come in here and we turn on the engines and we make podcasts.
Right, but then I'm not going to listen to competitors. I don't want to give them downloads.
No, we listen to our own show. We self-scout.
We should do a bi-week next year. Yeah.
We self-scout. Of course Hank says, yeah.
Yeah, of course Hank says, yeah. We did a bi-week.
We self-scouted and did all. We had new plays and everything.
Cooks with Butter, G, Tallow, and Evo. Butter.
Butter, yes. Extra virgin olive oil.
Is that the last one? Sure. Yeah, of course.
Everybody does. Doesn't eat and drink out of plastic.
Oh, no. Uses fluoride-free toothpaste.
Who cares? No, that shit doesn't work. I thought fluoride was good for you.
It's good for your teeth. Yeah, it is good for you.
But that's probably also a tap water thing. Doesn't wear aluminum deodorant.
Wears 100% cotton underwear, doesn't trust the government, doesn't black out every weekend. No, no, not.
Utilizes cold plunging in the sauna, gets daily sunlight and grounding, knows birth control is poison, uses natural remedies when sick, has some type of daily spiritual practice, isn't stuck in a soul sucking nine to five, has hobbies and passions in his life. I'm betting like 40% on those.
Yeah. It's pretty good.
Yeah, so that's the ideal man. Is grounding like what Liver King taught us, where you just walk outside barefoot? I think it's when you're touching an electrical pole.
You make sure you don't use both hands. That's what Justin Fields did.
Yeah, he did. Oh, you want to do that, buddy? Mac Jones is a grounding king.
Yeah, it's so hard for referees to even tell when he's intentionally grounding because it looks like every other pass. They have to get up and have a little discussion.
Like, was that one of those passes from Mac Jones that was he was trying to throw to somebody? Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to defend him anymore, so these comments don't hurt me. Okay.
Okay, fine. We're tanking, so he's great.
Okay, fine. Just know that you can't make jokes like that.
It was a reference. No, it was a joke.
Topical. It was topical.
It was topical. They did play Monday Night Football.
Okay, Jake, your hot seat, Cool Throne. Yeah, it's funny you guys were just talking about this because my hot seat is Bill Belichick.
Oh. Rex Ryan on Get Up on ESPN.
He went off on Belichick. Oh, wait.
No, this is new. This is new.
This is new. Yeah.
We thought this was the Alex Smith thing. No, no, no.
Okay, all right. This is from yesterday.
Yep. He said, can I just say this? Bill Belichick, please stop.
Just name your dang starter. It doesn't matter.
They both stink. Like, we care about your team.
Your team stinks. Oh, fighting words for a guy.
Actually, actually accurate. Yeah.
Yeah. And this is, Greeny wasn't there.
He has COVID. Hope he gets well soon.
Oh, no. So, yeah.
Rex Ryan. People still? Greeny, yeah.
Greeny. People people are still getting covid i can see thomas smokes yeah i can see jake do they go and test pulling some cocoa s i don't know that's news to me but yeah do you think there's someone who's like living in in like new york city right now that has still not gone out howard stern no everyone's gone out No, Howard Stern doesn't he like he makes the the Grubhub guy just like drop it at his door and then walk down the hallway to take a picture of it okay yeah my cool throne is my cool throne pop tarts pop tarts the pop tarts ball is happening and they announced that the mascot is going to be edible and the winning team can eat part of the mascot after they win the Pop-Tarts Bowl is happening, and they announced that the mascot is going to be edible, and the winning team can eat part of the mascot after they win the Pop-Tarts Bowl.
This rules. They should do that with Bloopy.
It's the second best bowl this season behind the Barstool Sports Arizona Bowl. He'd probably taste delicious than that.
That fuck. He'd be so good.
Oh, my God. He looks like he's fried.
Yeah. He just fucking put a little salt on him.
He actually already has a bunch of salt after the filly made him cry. Yeah, Bloopy would look great just on a Waffle House menu.
Yeah. He looks so- Oh, I'd like to spit roast him.
I'd broil him. Oh.
I mean, sous vide. Watch him scream in a boiling water.
You know what I'd do? I'd make him into a s'more. Oh.
Just put a big stick right up his ass, out his mouth and then hold him over and open fire yeah well he screamed and i like bill he was mean to me i like bloopy i just think that he would be very tasty i do not i just want to eat him no max and i look see max we're back together finally love this one thing about me and max we don't like bloopy fuck that man fuck that man. Yeah.
Okay. Time for our interview with Kirk Herbs.

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If everyone holds serve, let's say the favorites win, so Oregon beats Washington, I'd say the committee probably has it easy that they can just put in all four or three undefeated in Oregon, correct? Florida State? I think they will. I think the one thing we have to consider, and I like Florida State.
I just called their game the other night. But the loss of Jordan Travis to me is pretty significant.
I think that we have to be careful. We live in an era where it's like, okay, they're undefeated, so they're in because they're in a power five.
I just, I don't do that. I'm really big on the best four teams.
Now it's subjective, like who you guys think, who I think, who other people think. I don't have a dog in a fight here.
If Oregon wins and they're a one loss team and they beat Washington on Friday night, I can't not put Oregon in. I think they're one of the best teams.
I think they have been all year. If Georgia wins, if Michigan wins, if Florida State wins, if Oregon wins, if Texas wins, we got a serious dilemma.
That committee, no matter what they do, is wrong. No matter who they put in, they're going to be wrong.
But I just don't, I'm not a big fan. If you think Florida State's one of the best teams with Tate Rodemaker, then that's no problem.
But I'm just not big on they're undefeated, so we have to put them in. If you think they're still one of the best four, then let's put them in.
Not because they're unbeaten. I was thinking about this because we talked about Florida State on the show a couple days ago, and we said it's the right thing to do to put Florida State in.
You can't say, well, they're worse because they have a different quarterback, so hypothetically they wouldn't be as big of a threat. But then it occurred to me, and I still think it would be the right thing to do to put Florida State in, but we're talking about college football here, and we're talking about some pretty large media conglomerates that are thinking about ratings as well.
And if you think that they're going to do the right thing over putting in a bigger brand name with a more, I guess, well, Florida State would be a big brand name, but minus their starting quarterback, that's a big deal for ratings. It seems to me like the more I think about it, the more they would go towards Texas just simply for the ratings factor I'm putting on my my college football playoff rigged hat and saying they want they do want ratings they're trying to make money I so I think that that's a fair point to make too I can I can fix that for you because I've I've been calling all these games since it started you know I call it one of the semi-final games and I national championship.
You know, I have all the whole time we've done this. And I can assure you that ESPN is not.
I can promise you I'm not like defending ESPN. I can promise you.
If you look at the ratings, that doesn't hold up. If we were doing it, if ESPN was involved on ratings, it would be Georgia and Michigan.
Forget, you know, if Alabama loses, it's fine. Put them in Ohio state.
Yeah. Ohio state.
That's what they would do. This is more of the committee isolated wherever they are in Texas, trying to figure out, listen, the ratings are okay.
They're not NFL ratings. They're good, but there's really not much of a bump when you put in these big brands versus not.
It's really not even, that's more of a conspiracy theory on Twitter than it is reality. I promise you it's not a reality thing at all.
ESPN's not on the phone saying, we really need Georgia. Like, it's just, it's not.
It's not real. So you guys can think that, but I can promise you it's not.
What's real is, in calling all these games. Now, last year we had Ohio State, Georgia, we had TCU, Michigan.
Those games were great. They came down to the wire.
I said this to Pat the other day. You know what the average margin of victory has been since 2014 when this thing started? The playoffs have stopped.
The playoffs have stopped. The average margin of victory has been 19.
So as a guy who calls these games, I don't want to do the right thing. If you talk to Bill Hancock, and we had lots of meetings about this, they're not supposed to do the right thing.
They're supposed to, their job is to put the best four teams in the playoff. Now, again, it's subjective.
Who you think and I think are the best four are different and that's fine but that's what that group is supposed to do not what do we think about ratings that's that's bullshit put the fucking best four teams in the game that's the day that's it okay okay i i agree with you i want to see the best four. But can we at least agree that the games should matter?

And that's really what it comes down to.

Florida State being an undefeated team.

And then the Texas-Alabama problem that people are throwing out there.

Listen, a lot of this stuff is probably going to get figured out.

We spend a lot of time hand-wringing all this stuff. And then we'll probably wake up on Sunday morning and Georgia would have won.

And Michigan won. And maybe Florida State wins.
Maybe Oregon or Washington. Maybe it's all four undefeated teams.
It's not even an issue. But I really do believe that the games have to matter.
So if it's a Texas-Alabama issue, the game head-to-head has to matter and that has to be – like otherwise, what's the point of playing the season? Yeah. Yeah.
There's so many what-ifs. I mean mean i don't know when you guys are going to air this i don't know you know but if if alabama wins if alabama it's a problem for the committee it's a problem holy cow and we're almost just assuming georgia's gonna win that's still nick saban with a quarterback and jaylen milro who can make plays with his feet you never know, right? And it's still Alabama defense.
I mean, and this is not Georgia over the last two years where they have like three or four or five first rounders all over the field. They're a great team, but it's not.
So that game could be competitive. Absolutely.
And if Alabama were to win, I can't even imagine where we are.

Because let's just say that.

If Alabama wins and Michigan wins and Oregon or Washington wins

and Florida State wins and Texas wins,

and all those things are not like pie in the sky.

Those things are probably pretty practical, everything else I just said.

Yeah.

What the hell do you do?

Let's just sit and

work it out michigan is a lock yep right pack 12 is a lock pack 12 should be if oregon wins they're sitting there with one loss yeah yeah but yeah you're right you're right so pack 12 may be a question mark florida state florida state i would assume you would think florida state would be a So then we've got two spots.

And you've got Texas, beat Alabama sitting there as Big 12 champs, and Alabama just beat Georgia. It's a problem.
It's really hard not to put Texas in. Yeah, does Texas' win over Alabama get better because Alabama then beat Georgia? I would think.
I mean, you could make the argument it was the best win of the season right you know what's unfortunate in this scenario if Oregon beats Washington I think that they would keep our Oregon out and it would be Texas and Alabama because here's the only thing and I know you said conspiracy theory all this stuff but who's going to complain about Oregon being out the Pac-12 doesn't exist anymore like it's the last chance. And unfortunately, that would – I think Oregon's one of the top best four teams, but I think that that would probably be what they would do because I just can't fathom and no SEC Final Four.
You know what's really, really sad here is – and doing this and living this every minute of every day, Oregon is in the best conference in the country, like top to bottom. And I know if you look at their strength of schedule, maybe it's not, you know, maybe it doesn't show that.
But if you really have watched the Pac-12 this year, there aren't a lot of easy wins in that conference. And what you're saying, I mean, you imagine keeping Nick Saban and Alabama out if they beat Georgia? No.
I would make a case, again, going back to what we originally said, it's supposed to be the best four teams. How can you not say Georgia is one of the best four teams, even if they lose to Alabama? It would just be so weird to see a team coming off a loss like that against another team that should be in there also getting in.
What are you going to do, run it back? Is it going to be a rematch? Yeah. It's crazy.
If Alabama wins, the committee might just have to – I mean, they're dead. They need Florida State to lose under that circumstance.
Yeah, they do. They need Georgia, Michigan,orgia win michigan to win and louisville to win and um and then they can figure it out but yeah it's it's it's fascinating because it really is the the craziest uh championship saturday i can remember um all right so other things you're an ohio state guy the game was phenomenal on saturday mich Michigan, Ohio State.
Tell us how you're feeling about Ryan Day and what you think Buckeye fans are thinking going forward because Ryan Day has a phenomenal coach. I think it's something like 39-0 against Big Ten teams not named Michigan.
I think he's 40-3 overall in the Big Ten.

Does Ryan Day have a Michigan problem?

Because it felt like going into this game, they built their team back up to be as tough as Michigan.

The last two years, Michigan was tougher.

This year, Ohio State had some nastiness to them. They had some shit to them.

But Ryan Day had one or two chances in that game where he got a little conservative and he didn't coach. He didn't have the wrinkles that you need to win that type of game and was saying, like, we'll just go out there and we'll play our game and hope we win.
Do you think he has a problem going forward with Michigan and the fan base? I think there's two things that can be true here. I think, number one, I would, me personally, I wouldn't even consider even talking about firing Ryan Day.
Like, I wouldn't. Number two, he definitely has a Michigan problem.
So I think both of those things can be true. This game is cyclical.
The pressure, the way teams get in the other team's head. Ohio State lived in Michigan's head for a number of years with Trestle and Urban Meyer.
And Jim Harbaugh, to his credit, at one point they were ready to fire him. And now that he's completely turned this thing around.
And I think now there is – I would say this. Like if I were Ryan Day and I were looking at, okay, we put everything into this, we got to get tougher.
I've always felt that when Ohio State is tougher, the recruiting that they have done from the end of the Urban Meyer era to now, they recruit nationally. They go to Florida, they go to Georgia, they go to North Carolina, they go to Texas, they go to California.
If you look at the Ohio State roster, they're not a ton of Ohio guys. And I would suggest maybe looking at that aspect of the roster and finding more Ohio guys that qualify to be on the Ohio State roster to make them appreciate what this game really means.
Because you can put slogans up. You can do a fourth quarter drill.
This is the Michigan drill. You can do all the things.
You can have a clock up in the Woody Hayes facility. Do all those things.
But the reality is when we watch the game, it feels like the Michigan team plays as a group where they play like with a chip on their shoulder and they're mad at the world and they play with like like something to prove and in the last three years that has been more than what Ohio State has brought to the table in that game so it's so it's it's such a great point because I always have thought that one of the greatest things that Urban Meyer did and didn't get enough credit for was he made a bunch of kids, 18-year-olds from Florida and California and Texas, hate Michigan.

He made it so that that team hated Michigan.

Those kids have no reason to have that type of hate for a rival in the Midwest when they're from Florida, California.

But he had that instilled in that team, and they wanted to pulverize him every time they played in November. 100%.
100%. And I feel like right now, Ohio State has great players, and they have a great culture.
But when it comes to that game, because it's become a psychological aspect of the game, I still think Michigan has a bunch of guys that are great players, but maybe not quite as recruited at the level of Ohio State. And they got a chip on their shoulder to prove that they are collectively better than the Marvin Harrison juniors and the, you know, Mecca Buka and all the great individual superstars that Ohio State has.
they have a chip on their shoulder to show Ohio State, we have a better culture, we're better than you, and right now, that united front is more powerful than what Ohio State has. And even with that being said, they had the ball late, they had a chance, they moved the ball into Michigan territory, And you've got to give Michigan all the credit in the world.

They made the plays that they had to do to win the game.

I feel like enough losses in a row,

you're going to start to get that hate built up naturally.

You're going to start to get that chip on that shoulder.

It's going to be four or five years, and maybe naturally that will happen.

And they'll be like, yeah, I hate those guys.

Or you could just stage a fake kidnapping of Brutus and be like, Michigan did it.

Let's go get these sons of bitches back.

That's what I would do as a head coach personally.

In the, I think it was the first quarter of the game, the touchdown.

Great throw.

Tremendous throw between two Ohio State Buckeye defenders.

Was it a touchdown?

Because I feel like this is going to be a play that we're going to argue about

for the next 20 years, which I love.

I love that about college football fan bases.

But in your opinion, touchdown or turnover? Tough one there. If let's just say the defensive back wasn't there and he caught the ball the way he did.
And then as he came to the ground, the ball, instead of going into an Ohio state defenders arms, it went onto the ground. I think they probably would have called that incomplete.
So with that being said, it's, it's hard. I mean, it's very easy to sit there and just say, well, you're an Ohio State guy.
I really, honestly, I don't care. I mean, if it's a touchdown, it's a touchdown.
If it's not, it's not. But I just think, yeah, it was a critical moment in the game, but they reviewed it.
I can't remember. Did they say confirmed or did they say stands? I think they called it a touchdown.
It was called a touchdown. I think if it had been called incomplete on the field or if it had been called and intercepted.
I'm saying on the replay, did they say confirmed or did they say call is staying? Whatever they – I just think if the defensive back isn't there because we're all learning over these last four or five years, going back toz Bryant like you got to complete the process of the catch which means even when you're in the end zone the ball cannot squirt and then fall out so that's the only thing that I would have looked at there um to maybe say that it would have been uh in whoever it ended up in whoever's arms I think the Ohio State player took it away from him you could easily have said it could have been a turnover there that Ohio State would have had a touchback. Yeah, it's just going to be fun because you can always go back and point at that and be like, we got ref screwed us, which is a very valuable piece of copium to have if you're a fan.
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That's www.nobullproject.com backslash barstool for 30% off uh i i know that you're a heisman voter and i so big cat and i are undecided about who we're unbiased as well we're gonna be voting for for our hypothetical heisman vote um so we'll just go off whoever you think should win the Heisman Trophy this year. So whatever you say, we're going to blindly follow that.
Who do you have winning the Heisman Trophy? Well, I have Jaden Daniels winning. Oh, okay.
Good pick. Good pick.
Good pick. Yeah, you're right.
That's weird. I took a future on him a couple weeks ago.
Me too. It was highly leveraged.
What did you get it at? We got a five and a half to one. We were very – full disclosure to our audience, we said, hey, we're going to bet this and we're also going to just become PR team for Jaden Daniels.
But I didn't know that Herbie had him as a Heisman Trophy. You know ball.
I mean, you watch more football than anybody. Listen, listen.
He has been by far – like when you think of a Heisman winner and you watch his plays, that's the guy you think of. With that being said, I'm with you guys.
I am going to hold my vote. I'm going to watch Bo Nix against Washington and Pennix, that game.
If Bo Nix goes off, you could maybe be in jeopardy there. And the other thing that's in wild card is some of these older voters.
You've got voters. There's over 1,000 guys that vote on this thing.
Some people have already voted. Right.
And the fact that LSU has three losses, there are people that are like, I will not vote for a person that has, they're just, it's like an old school way of voting, but there are people that won't vote for a guy that had three losses. How often do you go back and look at the Heisman? It almost always is a quarterback or a superstar of a team that's in the top three or four of the country.

It's just like, who's the MVP of that team? Bo Nix. There you go.
Like, it's normally that. But in my opinion, it should go to the most dynamic playmaker.
And that player has been Jaden Daniels up to this point. Bo Nix has a chance Friday in the Pac-12 championship, and we'll see what he yeah the the best uh case you could make is is Lamar Jackson's 2016 team because they they had they had three losses as well um and he was phenomenal and he was the best player in college football I think that would be the one because listen yeah when you watch all the games I know that LSU is not going to be in the college football playoff.
They're not in the SEC championship. Their defense gave up 55 points to Ole Miss.
Like, that can't be held against Jaden Daniels. He has been so phenomenal.
And I do like to do the game of, like, if you flopped players, like, if Bo Nix was on LSU, how many wins? Would they have three, four losses if Jaden Daniels is on Oregon? I don't know. I just think Jaden Daniels shouldn't get dinged for his defense being historically bad.
Yeah, and I'm glad you brought up Lamar Jackson because that is an example, but it's also an outlier. I mean, if you look in the last 20 years.
But it does set a precedent to show you that it's happened in the in the past and maybe people will look at that um because the guy's he's he's like one of the best running backs in the country and he's playing quarterback i mean he's averaging almost eight yards a carry and he does stuff that's and he's not just a runner he's had a big year throwing the football he's going to be a great nfl player with the way the nfl game is trending of almost like a dual-thread ability, Jaden Daniels is made for this new NFL because he can really throw the football well. So I think he's a dynamic guy.
He's had Heisman moments all year. We'll see.
I think it'll be a fascinating race, though, between those two. All right.
So hypothetical, if you were calling the Iron bowl on saturday what would your uh call have been after auburn decided to rush to and put a qb spy on jalen milro on a fourth and 31 because that was one of the craziest decisions i've ever seen in terms of uh defensive calling you know plays at the end of a game well there's a couple things I don't know if I would have recovered from the play before that yeah I was like what the hell just happened he went three or four yards past the line of scrimmage they tried to go back and then he threw it and I'm like what is what's happening he's done it a couple times that

game he did one another one where he was like five yards past and he threw yeah yeah I I I

but with everything at stake he had the ball that snapped over his head then he got crosses the line

you're thinking Alabama's just doomed there's just they're just not gonna win this game so that that

to me that's what made the moment just like what the hell just happened what is it about the iron

I'm going to win this game. So that, that to me, that's what made the moment just like,

what the hell just happened? What is it about the Iron Bowl that gives us these moments? You know, that's what I think blew everybody away was, you know, Tua had the, you know, the national

championship throw, but plays leading up to that, it was like, oh boy, they're going to lose. And then he hits Devontae Smith and you're like, oh my gosh, one of those great moments for Alabama.
Yeah. I would have probably lost it the way Fowler and I did when we were watching.
I mean, I was, I would, we were literally, we're 30 seconds from going on air and I, we have a, like a quad box. So while you're calling games, I'm watching games as I'm calling a game.
So, you know, we, there's other games going on. I want to see what's going on in those games.
You know, when we go to a break. So we have our quad box still with the earlier games at three 30 games.
So I'm like hitting Fowler showing him like the replay of, um, Milrow going across the line and bringing it back. And he's like, and the producer's like, guys, we gotta, we gotta get ready.
And he's like, all right, watch the last play. And then there's a timeout.
I'm like, he's like, Herbie, we're like a minute away. I go, dude, we got to watch this play.
So we're watching it. And then the play happened.
And I was, I mean, we just, like you guys, I don't know where you were. You probably lost your minds.
Yeah. I mean, it was, the best part about that play is I think I can confidently say for the rest of my life that was the worst touchdown game-winning drive of all time because Alabama was like so bad in that time.
They got the ball. They got the muff punt.
Like they were gifted the field position. It was – they did everything they could to not win the game and then they won the game.
But to to answer your question i i think it's it and again it i guess on paper it makes sense why you drop everybody and you take all the receivers away but what milro did do a good job if you go back and look at the kind of that sky cam view is they had receivers down the middle they were all doubled and he found found the matchup where at least it was a one-on-one.

I don't know who the defensive back was.

I think it was maybe number four.

You just feel so bad for that guy because in that rivalry,

as much as Milrow and Alabama will forever be remembered,

that poor guy, I don't know if he's going to go into the

portal. I don't know what he's, but their fans are relentless.
And he just, it's like he couldn't, he didn't find the ball. He never saw the football thrown and then he loses the receiver.
And by the time he reacted, the guy, of course, Bond goes up and makes that play. But And yeah, one of the worst game-winning drives ever.

Ever.

I have never seen.

I think you should be allowed to advance a muff punt. I'm always confused about that.
And every time a player, you know, they know the rules on special teams. They get it, and they always take off towards the end zone.
It seems like that's a dumb rule. You should be allowed to take it as far as you can get it before you get tackled credit to milro he also he looked off the defense too yeah so he was like his his head was pointed at the sort of yeah he was kind of like this yeah he was here and then i think he was seeing those double teams and then at the last second he saw that and he just basically just threw up a prayer yeah i think i think auburn would have been better if they had rushed zero players yeah and if they rushed two.
It would have at least confused them. And then you just put everybody back in the end zone.
Actually, you're probably right. That way you double everybody.
Yeah. The QB spy, it's like, what is the QB spy doing there? That person might as well not be on the field at all.
Right. You're right.
Because he's not going to take off and run, obviously. So, yeah.
Or just yeah bring five yeah bring five yeah make him force him to get the ball out fast bring five or six um and and i know it's risky because maybe you're leaving some man coverage out there then people say what the hell are you doing blitzing so you know if you give one up you're always going to be wrong you know what i mean yeah uh Yeah. I noticed that you have a special guest that walked by.
Can we say hi to Ben? Ben the dog is right next to you. Ben is the star of the show.
Ben's the most famous dog in the world right now. He's super famous.
He's the best. He's such a good dog that he even went up to Max who hates dogs and is terrified of dogs.
Hey, Ben, how's it going? Good boy. Hey, buddy.
He's just chilling. Hey, buddy.
Hey, buddy. He's's just hanging he just hangs out in the chair right there and then i got this guy that's mitch oh is mitch jealous because i feel like mitch doesn't get any shine at all and then that's theo down there oh theo now herbie be honest with me because you take ben with you now and i saw him on the field before the game, Florida-Florida State.
How many fields has he pissed on?

You know what?

I'm very, very calculated with that.

I know his pattern the way you know your infants, you know,

a toddler's pattern.

So, you know, I feed him around 730.

He takes care of business post-breakfast. So then we're good till right around noon noon one-ish feed him again around two and then when we've been on the road i've always gone outside the stadium usually around like 5 30 okay take care of take care of the second round and then he's good until post game that was you have that answer down pat i it's clear he definitely pisses on the field we know that now here's the wild card here's the wild card last week at the swamp i i didn't have a time to get that second round in so i had i took him out on the field with me and i i had the flor people were all over Ben, not me, all over him.
And a trainer came by. And I was like, I had him a little more on the leash than normal because I didn't want him to do what you're describing.
So I said, hey, man, can I get a bag? I said, if he drops a deuce here on the swamp, it's going to be everywhere. I got to pick it up.
I don't want to. because I was terrified that he was going to do that right on the 40-yard line, right by the gator at midfield.
I thought he might do it, but we got out of there unscathed and he took care of it at the FBO after the game. You just almost have to be waiting to catch that thing in the air.
Like, don't let him hit the ground, get right underneath him. I met your guy, Ryan, when I was in Harrisonburg.
Yeah, Ryan's been great. We talked about Ben's schedule.
He said there's been some times where he's been outside with Ben before the games for about 30 minutes, just walking him back and forth across the same strip of grass like, hey, man, please just take a piss so I can just get you on this field right now. Yeah, and since we've been on the road way more than I even recognized before, he's almost gotten to the point where he goes on command.
You know, like I tell him, you know, like if you get to a certain piece of grass and it's timed up right, everything is is like a very much a cycle. And then, you know, game day, he'll come out like a JMU.
He came out, basically kind of said hi to the crowd.

The crowd was massive and loud.

And then Ryan takes him back in into the production room and just kind of hangs out.

And I take him. It's been great to take him on the field pregame.

I'll take him out there and players are kicking.

You know, it's when the specialists are out there, the teams are just coming out.

The players come over full uniform. They're petting him.
And then he'll go back to the bus during the beginning of the game and then he'll come into the booth usually around halftime and just hangs out in the booth uh right around our feet you know um fowler's been cool about it and then uh and then we head out right after the game but yeah he's been awesome he. He's spoiled rotten, really.
Yeah, he's the goodest boy. He really is.
He's an awesome, awesome dog. Me and Big Cat can actually go on command.
Yeah, you should spoil your dogs. Ed Sheeran, not as much.
Herbie, I want to ask you this because I've pushed back when people have complained about it. There's a sect of college football fans that are bemoaning the fact that we're going to a 12- playoff because maybe the regular season doesn't matter as much I completely push back on it because I think of some of these games like even Mizzou Tennessee a couple weeks ago that's an elimination game like all these games matter so Oregon State if they could have caught a win against Washington or Oregon down the stretch they could have been in like do you you agree that the the college football playoff, the 12-team playoff, is going to make the regular season even more fun? And, yeah, there'll be some weird wrinkles.
Like Michigan-Ohio State would be weird, but they're still playing for one seed and, you know, a home playoff game and a bye. But I would assume that you're all in on the 12-team playoff, right? Yeah, I like getting more teams in.
I think it's more fun more fun gives more teams a chance a team like missouri right now if you put them in it'd be like whoa you sure you want to play missouri right now you know so i think that's that's good what's what what's what's bad specifically for me in the big 10 is you lose the divisions yeah so that imagine ohio state michigan this saturday playing in the big 10 championship i think that wr wrinkle to me is going to be odd and going to take some time to get used to. Michigan deserves credit.
They just beat Ohio State. They shouldn't have to a week later now go have to play them again, you know, in Indianapolis.
So that to me, I'm not necessarily a massive fan of. And I think at the top, you know, like Ohio State loses.
I think the AP maybe dropped Ohio State, wherever they were, down to six. So you lose in this case, if that's what the committee has them find at the final ranking, they lose a buy.
So instead of getting the buy as a top four team, now you're hosting a first round matchup. So is that a massive penalty for losing to Michigan with everything on the line this year and losing and now you're see you next year now next year it's going to be well depending I guess if you lose to them again would you drop all the way out would you go from six to 13 I don't know but I do think I'm just looking looking at the poll right you got old miss at 11 you got penn state at 10 missouri at nine oklahoma is there at 12 you know lsu with jayden daniels is at 13 arizona is at 14 they're another fun team they're really good yeah those debates are going to now it's just the argument's just going to down to that 11 12 13 14 um debate just like you have i guess with march madness you know when teams argue who should be in and who should be out so there's always going to be arguments i just um i think the regular season can't lose its importance and really the conference championship other than the sec because i don't know if you guys ever been to that.
That is the typically the best atmosphere of the entire year, because that region that still matters as much, if not more than the national championship. So like this Saturday, if you guys are free, you should go down to Atlanta and watch Alabama and Georgia in that dome.
Because if you go to Indy and watch Michigan and Iowa, it's just not the same. I'm sure you've been to Wisconsin there.
I have. It's a good game, but it's just a good game.
No, it's a little different. Yeah.
No, you're absolutely right. And listen, it would be hilarious if Iowa beat Michigan.
I don't think they can. Oh, my God.
Iowa being like in a 12-team playoff-team playoff, obviously that Minnesota game, they got screwed. Iowa's one of my favorite teams in college football, even though they're a rival Wisconsin, just because it makes people so angry that they keep winning these games the way they're winning them.
It drives people crazy. They're like the Bears, right? The way the Bears won last night is how they win.
You know, they win field position. They're going to win turnover margin.
They've got a great punter. And they're not going to give up a lot of touchdowns.
Their offense is more about let's work the clock. Yeah.
Not we're going to get a score. Let's just work the clock.
And maybe we'll score if the defense gives us a short field yeah that's

that's got to be their plan Saturday against J.J. McCarthy I saw him at Wrigley Field when they

played against Northwestern and it was one of the most beautifully painful experiences of my life

watching Iowa football like all the if you're an Iowa football fan your only hope is to just get

blind drunk at the games and hope that at the end of the day your score is higher than theirs

if let's play a hypothetical game take the under just that's the point they're 10 and 2 to the under and the average of their over unders is 34 and a half it's insane yeah so that has to be a new record it's insane let's play the hypothetical game just because it's fun yeah if they didn't get real quick speaking of betting you guys brought that. I got a new bet that you guys got to get into.
If the blue jackets ever accidentally take the lead in the third period, usually you can grab the Bruins or whatever they're playing. Yeah.
Plus one 70 plus 200. Yeah.
They play the money line. It's a lock.
I made a nice, a nice job the other night. It's a guarantee.
We'll have that on our system, our tech system that we're going to invent. If the Blue Jackets – Columbus has a – I like that.
If they ever have the lead in the third, put everything on the opponent. I like it.
I'm going to try that one out. So if hypothetically Iowa had beaten Minnesota, if they didn't have that bogus fair catch call, and then Iowa beats Michigan does Iowa get into the playoff but see that goes back to our original talk or conversation if they were undefeated now if they beat Michigan and they're undefeated they probably do they probably do if if they're and if they have one loss and they're and they're you know they're they're playing the way they've done all year I would just go back to are they are they one of the best four? That's what I would say.
And I guarantee as Big Ten champs, they would probably get in. Defenses.
The problem is the way they lost to Penn State would probably preclude them because it's like they couldn't even move the ball. So that would be like, hey, we don't want to watch this again.
But I still love Iowa. They make everyone so upset.
It's great. Yeah, they do.

They do.

People get worked up about them.

And what I love is they've always got tight ends that get to the NFL,

and they're outstanding at catching the ball.

Unbelievable.

Unbelievable.

And linemen.

And linemen, generally.

Yeah.

They do a job of producing a big lineman.

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And now here's more Herbie. So Herbie, what goes on inside the room at the college football playoff committee? Like, are we talking, is there a nice spread out there? Do they have like a buffet? Is there bar are people having drinks in there i don't know i've never been there i i'm always i'm like you guys i you know i go to uh luckily i've been at my house you know the last few weeks that they've done this and i don't have to worry about going down there i think heather should ask heather denix that they she goes down there and sits outside the room and talks to him but But I'm sure they feed them pretty well.
But I've talked with some guys. I talked to Alvy about it when he was on there.
And, you know, I think the coaches generally, a lot of people bring in the analytics. And then you kind of hope that the football coaches are the ones that are bringing the football part of it into the equation.
Because like I said, if you just get caught up in the metrics of what makes a good team, I think you end up going down the wrong path. That's part of it, but that's not all of it.
Yeah. I just want to know if there's like fights that break out in there, if people start yelling at each other, how heated does it get? I want to see.
I wonder. I think it should be recorded.
We should be able to be able to watch this debate right that would be great and you know when alvey was in there with his pinky ring on i'm calling al capone um you know he was in there getting after people but i don't know i don't know the committee this year to know what kind of energy we got going in that room but this if there's ever a year to argue and get after each other this will be it sunday morning Yeah, so the other part of what we got going on with college football right now is obviously the coaching carousel is going to start heating up. Mike Elko going to Texas A&M, which I think is a good hire.
I thought Mark Stoops would have been a good hire too, but that's a whole other issue with Texas A&M fans. Who do you have circled right now as a guy who you think is going to get a job and be successful right away? Well, the Elko hire.
Can you guys fill me in? I left Florida State, Florida to Swamp. Yeah.
Texted Stoops because the story broke that he took the job. Texted Stoops, hey, man, congrats.
You know, you've done great things at Lexington. You know, hate to see you leave there, but, but wish you all the best.
And got on a plane. And then I was about 30 minutes into the flight.
And then I heard he didn't get the job. Yeah.
Yeah. So from what I understand, Texas A&M fans are under the impression that they've won a national championship in the last 100 years.
And that Mark Stoops was beneath them to be their head coach. Wow.
You honestly think that's what it was? Yes, I absolutely do. He was Shiano? Yeah.
Kind of, yeah. I mean, it was obviously a little bit of different circumstances.
But, yeah, I think they revolted, which is crazy because Mark Stoops – He's a great coach. Yeah, he's a very good – and also also we don't really know what happened.
We're, we're kind of speculating too, but all every A&M fan went into panic mode with Mark Stoops. Like it was the worst hire ever.
I don't understand why, because what he's done in Kentucky is incredible. And he's also won 10 games twice as many times as Texas A&M has in the last 20 years.
Mark Stoops, I mean, think about,

I look at the college game as almost now become more of haves and have-nots.

He's been a have-not his entire time at UK.

And look what he's done.

I don't know what he's averaged, eight wins probably a year at UK.

No one's ever done that.

And you sent him down to A&M with those resources and that NIL money and the facilities they have um I'm not saying Mike Elko is not going to do a good job but if that's how it went down they thought Mark was beneath them man that is they should have been thankful that that they had a chance to get him good job there I agree I do think that Elko is going to be a good coach for an A&M too. I think either way, it was going to be a good thing, but for whatever reason, they're happier with Elko.
Yeah, as far as a coach out there, I mean, there aren't a lot of big jobs open right now, right? I mean, I think John Smith going to Michigan State is going to be a really challenging job for him because of everything that's going on, they just finished like a $200 million new facility, which will help like in this new world of the arms races and NIL money. So if they're going to give him a chance to get involved in NIL, I think he has the right blueprint for the culture that I think fits from Corvallis to East Lansing.
I think it's very similar. Kind of being, you know, he was a second-class citizen to Oregon in that state.
He's going to be the same thing in the state of Michigan to the University of Michigan. So I think he understands what it takes.
So I think he's going to take some time to kind of clean that image up. But I think he could get it going there.
I don't know. Name another job.
Houston's open and we are Dana Holgerson, guys. Unfortunately, they fired Dana.
But I feel like that's got to be a pretty attractive opening, right? What's in the Big 12 now. Right.
You know, I mean, it's not like it's – so I would – I think they've gone from being a have-not to now a have, you know, because of the conference that they're in. And what's the future really with this 12 team playoff? And remember, we were all kind of speculating that the SEC and the Big Ten is going to be the behemoths and it's going to be everyone else.
You know, we done. Is there more realignment coming? Is the Big 12 what it is now? Are they done? they done um you know what's left remember there's talk about clemson might join the sec are they going to be able to get out of their contract so i don't know if we're actually done done but we need to be done i think before next season i think what's going to happen it's going to be similar to uh how all of the the cable you know we went to streaming and now we have all the streaming apps and now we're bundling streaming apps which is literally what cable was i think what we're going to do is we're going to keep realigning until then we like the big 10 has a big 10 west conference and it's just what the pack 12 was right and so it's going to just be we're going to accidentally get right back to where we were where it's like oh that looks exactly like what the Pac-12 was.
And that looks exactly like what the Big 12 was. I'm with you on that.
I think at some point we get to like 40 or 50 teams and we just divide it up. In region, yeah.
And we're like, hey, let's call it the Big 12 and the Big 10 and the Pac-12. It's like, wait, what the fuck? It's going to be like the NFL.
It's going to be the AFC and the NFC, and there'll be divisions within it, and they'll call it those conferences. It'll be all the way back where we started.
Yeah, which I'm fine with. I'm cool if we got back there because then we can keep some traditional rivalries.
What they should do is relegation, like in soccer, where you have the ability to jump up to that highest division. If you're like a group of five school, you have the ability to jump up.
Boom, now you're basically a power five five school and if you keep stinking you get relegated right down like that that to me seems like that would be a very fun thing to watch but yeah i think we're going towards there's going to be like two super conferences and then those super conferences like the nfc and nfc will have the divisions yeah yeah which i'm fine with um all right i think the bigger issue guys is i think they're going to have to break to break away from the NCAA or they're going to have to restructure the NCAA or just put football, the big football division, in its own category. And then they're going to have to partner with the players in some way, kind of a collective bargaining agreement.
And the reason I say that is they're not making any headway at all when it comes to controlling NIL or Portal or any rules at all. They're going to have to put some rules together, partner with the players, let the players have some representatives, either former players or current players or mix of the two, and then break away from the NCAA, create your own governing body, and then find out, okay, hey guys, players, are you cool with NIL being this rule? Okay, sign off on that.
Transfer portal, let's have these dates and that date's great. Okay, revenue sharing, ESPN, Fox money, whoever's putting money in.
Players get this much. The leagues get this much.
Going to have to get there at some point. Otherwise, I just don't see how they sustain the model that we're currently on.
I don't think it's practical. Agreed.
Last thing on college football, then maybe we can

talk a little NFL.

What is the ultimate doomsday scenario?

I just mostly like saying doomsday scenario.

Doomsday scenario,

the ultimate is Alabama

beats Georgia.

Michigan,

they're not going to lose to Iowa. Michigan's going to

win. Whatever happens

Friday between Oregon and Washington, if you want doomsday, give Oregon a win because they have the one loss. Throw in a Florida State win, not a loss.
How about a narrow win? For Florida State? Yeah, like a one-point win. Yeah, last-second field goal.
Last-second field goal with a backup quarterback. Didn't look great.
Sloppy game. Louisville just lost to Kentucky.

Takes them a last second field goal with a backup quarterback to beat

Louisville.

And then Texas ends up winning in an ugly game against Mike Gundy

and the mullet against Oklahoma State.

That's, I think, the biggest doomsday that you could have.

And then on record, who would your final four be? Just so that we can have some fan base under that yeah yeah they get mad at you i'm not gonna answer that until you answer that you answer that okay uh under that situation let's see who are the biggest fan bases no matter what i say uh i've got Michigan. I've got Alabama.
I've got Texas. And then I got Oregon or Florida State.
No, you know what? I'm going to go no SEC. I'm going to get everybody mad at me.
I'm going to say Michigan, Oregon, Texas, and Florida State. There we go.
How about that? Oh, I like it. Just to make the most people mad.
And then, you know what? And then the SEC fans can take the SEC championship, and they'll say, that's really the national title. Yeah, exactly.
Exactly. Yeah.
And I want to hear what you say, Big Cat, because I think Michigan would be a lock. Yep.
I think Texas would be a lock. I think Oregon would be in, and I think the debate would be between Alabama and undefeated Florida State.
I know that the idea of the four best teams right now, I will stand on it forever that the game should matter. And I think that that actually – it actually pisses off the least amount of people because you can just go back to it and be like, look, games matter.
Games matter. That's it.
Games matter. Would you put Texas in? Yeah, games matter.
Texas has to go over Alabama. Would you put Alabama in? Because games matter.
They just beat the best team in the country. Right, but you're saying Florida State's undefeated? Yeah.
Yeah, I'd put Florida State in. You'd leave Alabama.
Yeah, or you could have the debate about Oregon and Alabama there and be like, well, Alabama just had the best win of the season. But this is dead serious.
One thing to remember is when the committee does this is actually in their their handbook. When they're evaluating teams, they when they get to what they call a cluster and this is what we're describing as a cluster.
They go to they don't weigh one more than the other. Remember that.
So like head to head doesn't outweigh conference champion. Yeah.
So like they look at head to head. That's one of the things they take into consideration.
They look at common opponent. So another thing they take into consideration conference champion, that's it.
Something that goes into consideration. So there's like four or five things that they look at that if you get to those cluster of teams, they find differentiator.
Like, OK, let's give Texas gets the head to head against Alabama. Alabama is a conference champion.
Texas is a conference champion. And then at the end of the day, if they say, you know what, we just think Alabama's better than they would say the cluster thing doesn't matter alabama would go ahead so but that just gives you an idea yeah i get it people off because you could be like oh alabama's better well here's 34 24 in tuscaloosa i get it yeah i just i understand the cluster tiebreaker thing but also it sounds like a lot of different ways to try to figure out if al is better than Texas when because they beat a lot of teams that aren't but look at Oregon and Washington Oregon lost to Washington right and they're a 10-point favorite their 10-point favorite this weekend in their rematch yeah go by games matter Washington beat Oregon.
If they they didn't have this rematch your guys logic would be washington should go in over oregon because they're a better team and they beat them head to head and vegas says they're not only a oregon's not only a better team they're a 10 point yeah better team yeah so see what i'm saying it's it's the the weird thing for texas it actually would have benefited them if uh byu had beaten oklahoma state on saturday so they could have had a rematch against oklahoma and i do think that helps a lot when you can avenge your one loss and do it convincingly because it kind of erases it so i just miss the days when somebody would go in the back room and like press a button and a computer would be like texas is better yeah they're Yeah. Texas and USC.
I don't even think those computers existed. I think it was just guys in a room.
Do you remember the Sagarin ratings? The Sagarin ratings? Oh, yeah. Oh, I remember.
Listen, I remember when I first found the Sagarin ratings in USA Today and I was like, did I just find the cheat code to winning all the money? Like, I just take the team that's favored by more points and has the higher rating. But the Sagarin ratings.
I'd be crazy though, dude. Because it'd be like Washington, Ohio state just beat Wisconsin or Wisconsin beat Ohio state.
Ohio state still ranked ahead of them the next week. I know it's the best.
So it brought chess into the equation. Yeah.
How the yellow, yellow chess. Yeah.
Yeah. You really didn't feel like a genius when you were reading.
Yeah. When I found that, I really was like, Oh my God, I found the Holy grail.
I just got to to take the team rated higher this is going to be great um all right i have one last question we'll do a little nfl uh rollback question rhoback.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts uh okay so thursday night football um i so this is a question we are big al michaels guys and my question really is does Al hear any of the outside noise being like oh Al doesn't have the same enthusiasm I thought he brought it for Black Friday so does he hear it because I love Al I feel like he's someone who's had so many seminal moments as a sports fan he has called that I will always have reverence for him but does he hear when people are like oh he doesn't have any juice he's not he's he's he's kind of mailing it in so let me there are a lot of layers here NFL football even in a prime time setting and and Thursday night football we've had great schedule this year we've had some great games I find myself like if you listen to me call the Florida Florida State game or this weekend when I'm calling, I'm standing the whole game. Fowler is standing the whole game.
There's energy that's just unparalleled in these college atmospheres. You know, whether you're at a place like your spot in Madison or JMU or Columbus or wherever you are, you get caught up in the moment that you're performing in.
And I think Al, when he would do Sunday night football or Monday night football, those games were massive. You're doing big games and your voice projects based on the setting that you're in.
And these Thursday night games, they're good. They're good atmospheres, but I don't think they're at the level of a Sunday night game or when I'm doing these Saturday night games.
So I think your voice always matches with what you're doing. I think everyone is holding the Jacksonville game, the playoff game last year against him.
I didn't work with him in that game. I think it was Tony Dungy did.
And they got a lot of criticism after that game. And I think it's almost like, you know, social medias, they're using that as a narrative.
And they're just using that. And at one time in the Indy Denver game, he talked about how, what a shitty game it was that we were doing.
It was. It's almost like they're using those two examples to just say Al Michaels hates Thursday night.
Al Michaels has lost it. And as a guy sitting next to him, I've been, I'm like you.
I'm sitting next to Al Michaels. It'd be like you sitting next to him.
I'm his biggest fan of all time going back to the 1980 Olympics, and to be working with him is very surreal. I've noticed that Al Michaels is very much like me.
When the game warrants excitement, he brings excitement. When the game is kind of flatlined – and let's face it, not just Thursday night, there are a lot of NFL games that are flat.
I mean, last night's game sucked. I mean, it's where the NFL is right now.
There's about 10 teams that get you on the edge of your seat, and there's about 20 to 22 teams that are just kind of trying to find an identity, whether it's injuries or whatever it might be. So I think Al hears it.
He disagrees with it. He's really enjoying, I think, our crew and what we're doing and what we have to work with on Thursday night.
You know, to be at his age, and I marvel at what he does. I'm not just telling you guys that to talk.
A producer's talking in his ear. He's always recognizing and IDing typically the right guy every time at his age.
I'm I'm blown away by it. I'm not just saying that to say what defend the guy.
I'm being honest with you guys. So he hears the noise.
I don't think he's like, I'll show them. I'm going to really bring it this week.
He's definitely not doing that. He has more of an FU attitude about it than that.
I'm going to show them. So he thinks it's a bunch of bullshit.
I think it's a bunch of bullshit. And I think it's just a narrative that social media is kind of running with.
What it is. It's that the games are so bad very frequently on thursday nights that well no no not thursday yeah right but every game but since it's a standalone and if a game's bad and standalone we need somebody to be angry at yeah so then people are just like taking out their frustration now like al make this shitty game more entertaining for me why can't you do that but no i i agree i don't think that think that like Al Michaels is actually a good representation of what we're feeling on the couch.
If you're watching a game that doesn't have you on the edge of your seat. And when you have a good one, I still feel like he's been really, really good.
Yeah. And you're right, Hermie.
The product overall, there's been some really tough games to watch. And like, that's just the reality of it.
But dude, talk to Troy and Joe. I mean he and i text i mean it's just it's it's not and i know it's because i go back i remember i watched thursday night football and they had the uniforms on and it was just always like a a c or a d game we've really if you looked at our schedule in august and you looked at what we ended up having like you looked at that miami new york jets yeah yeahgers and Tua.
This is back in August. We're like, holy shit, what a great game.
And Joe Burrow going against Lamar Jackson. I mean, we've had so many games.
Even New England and Pittsburgh, who we have in a couple weeks, you're thinking, boy, this schedule is going to be great. And it's turned out when we got a ton of injuries.
Not us, the league. The league, yes.
Troy gets a lot of games like this as well. So it is what it is.
It's where the NFL, unfortunately, is. And I think my take on it is a lot of quarterback injuries, a lot of offensive linemen injuries, a lot of dominant defensive linemen, and a lot of really poor offensive football is kind of where we are right now uh as a league you know so yeah what it is you're right it's it's a lot of circumstance we have monday night football next week is bangles jaguars we thought that game was going to be incredible joe burrow trevor lawrence guess what now we're watching jake browning and it's like okay the juice is kind of out of it so yeah it does feel like the quarterback the n NFL goes as the quarterbacks go.
And when there's a cluster of quarterback injuries, you see it in the product. Yeah.
Yeah. So you got the Cowboys on Thursday.
Are you one of the media members that's going to gas up the Cowboys? Do you think that they could be Super Bowl champions? Could they win the Super Bowl? If they play the way they have the last three weeks, now they haven't played anybody great. Like we're going to find out about Dallas in the next few weeks because their schedule is about to get real.
But right now you could argue that Dak's playing the best that he has in his career. And number two, Mike McCarthy calling plays.
I think there's a rhythm right now. They have balance.
They can run. They can throw

the defense with Dan Quinn right now. I mean, there's a lot there to like, but I think everybody

wants to see them play against the big boys and see how they do in the coming weeks. But right now,

man, it's one of the better teams. In an NFL kind of watered down, they definitely stand out.
In the

NFC, you got Philly, you got San Fran, Detroit can get you know get back to playing the way they were and you got Dallas I mean those teams right now are definitely standing out I think Jerry might have lifted the curse when he he allowed Jimmy Johnson to the ring of honor I feel like that was I'm a big curse guy I feel like that that was a combo breaker yeah yeah yeah that's good yeah That's fair. Alright, well Herbie, always great to have you on.
You love football just as much as we love football. It's going to be great to watch Florida State maybe get in on Saturday night and we're going to watch Cowboys and Seahawks on Thursday.
You're the busiest guy in the world. I did have, oh I forgot, I should have brought this up because I can't be a fraud.
You don't like the map thing? Yeah, the map thing. Yeah.
So it's not that I don't like it. Listen, we're lucky enough to travel first class as well, or private plane as well for some of these shows.
It's not really that taxing of travel when you get to fly private. It isn't.
You get to show up. on the plane you get to put your feet up you got snacks the travel is not the travel the actual in the plane travel right i'll take that do you have wi-fi on your private plane this is now the least relatable uh conversation of all time to be like hey let's come because we don't have i would say that we we don't usually have good working wi-fi that actually is a crisis yeah it's the hardest job in america yeah it's it's hit or miss okay let me just tell you this week because i'm not complaining i'll just tell you this week what i do so i'm here at my house monday and tuesday i fly to dallas wednesday uh another the prep is the worst part of my job the the actual travel in the games that that part is enjoyable but the prep is what really kind of bogs you down but Wednesday to Dallas call the game Thursday night um right after the game I fly to Las Vegas and when I land I call Oregon Washington that night okay right after that we go over around midnight.
I'll fly to Atlanta. And right when I land, I think I might go to the hotel.
I might just go to the set. And I'll do college game day from 9 to 12.
And then Sunday we do the selection show. Okay, that's a pretty big week of work.
Okay, fine. I don't think it's the actual flight and ben's with me so i'm really spoiled yes for me too yeah it was it was a very nitpicky thing of me i have to admit i was just like i don't like to tweet i just i don't really know why there's one tweet you know what you should do dude you should you should come with me one week you'd love it no what I need to do is I need to do one of those for me

where it's just like the art is going from like to the bathroom

to the refrigerator, back to the TV.

It's like, look at this.

Look at my Saturday.

What a shit show.

That would be classic.

By the way, what's the guy's name, the big Ohio State guy?

Big Ev, yeah.

I felt so bad for the big guy.

It's tough.

It's tough for him.

He just gets – I mean, Dave, the one I saw where he's in a car. Yeah.
And the big guy is just dejected, like looking out the window. Dave is just priceless with his like – real quiet.
Didn't even say anything. He's like, it's tough.
I hate to see you like this. Ev's talking about like, why can't I just been like a fan of cars? Yeah, mechanic.
Work on car motors my entire life. The good news.
Yeah. The good news for Big Ev is if he keeps losing, he has a job for life.
Because Dave will just keep you around to do that every single year. Oh my God.
That is too good. Yeah.
Yeah. It was quite a day.
One day you boys are going to let me come hang out wherever your war room is. Yes.
Come watch football. I want to come hang out there.
Are you familiar with Frank the Tank? Yes. Yeah.
What do you think about Frank? He's a Mets, Dolphins. Who are his teams? Mets, Dolphins.
Notre Dame. Devils, Notre Dame.
Is he being real? Oh, yeah. Is he being serious when he gets dejected? Too real.
Oh, yeah. It's all too real.
Yeah. Like, when he does all that, that's dead serious? Dead serious.
Dead serious. He lives and dies with his teams.
That's what we love. That's why we watch.
And just know if you're calling a Dolphins game and they're losing, Frank is cussing you up and down. He's biting a hole through his shirt being like, fucking Kirk Herbstreet.
Yep. It's true.
SVP always laughs at him. Please.
That's mean when he does that. Bring me in for the postseason.
Yes. I'm in there and I just want to yell at people and get yelled at yes actually frank needs to have one of those maps of how he gets around the country yes that's that would that would be interesting uh all right well herbie thank you as always man we love you uh appreciate you coming on and uh good luck with uh your week this week all right you got it man good to see herby k Herbstreet was brought to you by Viator.
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His bathroom is literally five steps away from his bed and I don't understand why he urinates that instead of the toilet like a normal man. Last week I stayed over at his place for Thanksgiving and I couldn't help but stare at the body armor bottle next to his bed.
I threw it out and he got mad at me. Is this a normal guy thing or does my boyfriend have issues? you can't touch a piss jug like that this is a very very normal issue and it's not our fault as guys we learned this habit i don't know if you went to college but you go to college and you have to do this because sometimes your bathroom is not close to your dorm room or if you're yeah like uh i know that uh i was on the bottom bunk but there was a bunch of my friends who had top bunks and then you have have to walk all the way down the hallway.
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And the act of waking up and walking down the hallway makes you awake. Yeah.
You can't get back to sleep after a good piss. Yeah.
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I feel like it's one of those things you age out of. Well, I...
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I personally have not used a piss jug in probably five years. I have not used a piss jug in a month.
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That's different, though. Mobile piss jugs are a lot different than stationary in your house.
Okay, I'm going to start using a piss jug in this studio. I might just pee right now.
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Powerful. Oh.
When it feels powerful. And you're just like, you feel like a new man.
He's pissing. Not yet.
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I recently found out that my boyfriend of four months still has Tinder on his phone. He gave me his phone while he was driving to send a text, and I had to snoop, obviously.
Oh, no. He hasn't sent a message since we've been dating, but he's an attractive guy, so he still gets messages from other girls he doesn't reply to.
When I confronted him, he said he kept it as a confidence boost and a reminder that he's got options if I get too clingy and or annoying. Should I break up with him or is this normal guy behavior? I think you should break up with him.
Yeah, I mean, you can't. You don't talk about options if you're dating someone.
Yeah, but you got to keep your options open, right? Maybe he doesn't think you're dating is like this is like if you're a gm of a team like yeah that guy's untradeable but make an offer yeah like i i i went on one dating app date and i was like i'm never doing this again but i still have it right and sometimes i just check it just to see there you go there's a piss right right in your face hankiss jug. Right in your face, Hank.
Does this trigger you? Am I triggering you? Are you mad? Like, if Patrick Mahomes is untradeable, but what if someone offered a lifetime of number one picks? Yeah, that's a good point. Like, everyone's expendable.
Right. Everyone has a price.
Especially after four months. After four months, yeah.
Four months is still, yeah, that's still in the zone of feeling it out. How long? And if he hasn't sent any messages.
Yeah, he just has. He just forgot to delete.
Also, who deletes apps? Tinder is one of those that I think the youths make a big deal about when it's officially official. Like, I have removed Tinder from my phone.
Yeah. I actually, Hank, I've been thinking about cleaning up my phone because i have

so many apps i download stupid games and all this shit i don't know where to start i want to be one of those people who has shit like organized on their phone but i can't no no chance my phone is just it's like a jackson pollock pain just yeah apps scattered everywhere hank you want to hold on to this for me okay we're hearing someone i don't think that jake they didn't close the door fully that's why yeah it's still kind of open okay next question hi guys i'm running a college football pick-up from my office and we were in our last week my company is president is currently leading the season standings looks like he's going to win the pool his son is also in the pool and neither him nor his son have paid me the 130 entry fee hmm how can i ask the president to pay for the pool or should i just cover him and his son's buying? No full amount. Thank you for your help and go Raven.
I think you have to send an email to the entire pool being like, hey, some people, including those at the very top have not paid yet. If you don't pay, then you are not eligible to win.
If he is going to win, though, the other option, you could just give him the cash minus his entry fee and his son's entry fee it's the principle of the thing though that is fucked up you gotta pay yeah you have to pay have to have to pay i think you got a public sham you gotta pay to play you gotta say gotta pay to play hey buddy you gotta pay up pony up you're in this pool just like everybody else being Being cheap. Oh, do you need a loan? Yeah, say that to your boss.
Yeah. Hey, I know times are tough.
You need a little help? I can float you. Have you seen the price of milk these days? Sleepy Joe got you down? I'll cover you if you need it.
All right, Hank. Last one.
Me and my boyfriend are going to move in together in May. I've been trying to convince him that we need a dog.
He's not fully convinced he might be too much work slash money while also just moving in together, but I'm a teacher, so I have summers off, so I think it'd be the perfect time to get a dog. I have a while to convince him.
Any tips? P.S. I would just get my own dog, but I want the full summer to train him.
Is this Max? Are we talking about Max? No. Is there a house? Is there a house for the dog too? Here's the reality reality of it and this is fine because you should get the dog because having a dog is awesome and every dog ownership situation with a couple there's one person who it's kind of their dog a little bit more that's okay that just means you're probably gonna have to take care of the dog a little bit more because he wasn't the one who was like we need need a dog.
You were the one who's like, we need a dog. So if you know that going in, then get the dog because he'll fall in love with the dog.
He'll start helping out with the dog. But to start, it will be like you'll get blamed for a couple of things being like you wanted the dog, but it will be fine.
Get the dog. I think now is the perfect time to do it, though.
If you're a teacher in the summers, this is what summers are for now. Yeah, you got to take advantage of that time or you could like divide responsibilities draw a line down the center of the dog he takes care of the mouth you take care of the butt and the piss all that stuff get the dog get the dog get the dog no one's ever regretted getting a dog in fact every family every person out there knows somebody no what about cujo who has cujo's great great dog okay um but every family knows someone where like the dad did not want a dog and the mom gets a dog and at first dad's like this motherfucking dog and then by the end the dog and the dad are like inseparable yeah of course that's how it always works have you guys seen the drop no oh yes I have I'm worried great movie I just started watching it last night.
I'm halfway through. I can't remember.

Well, no, James Gandolfini does die in real life.

Okay.

I assumed.

Okay.

I'm just worried about the dog.

No, that's a great movie.

I can't remember. I think you're okay.

I think there's a website that says, does the dog die?

Oh, really?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

That's a great website.

We need that.

If you're thinking about getting a dog, sign a pre-pup in case you guys break up.

Decide, figure out who gets the dog afterwards.

That's a fact.

Okay.

Great show, boys.

Numbers?

18.

17.

71.

8.

3.

3, 3.

8, and Cam Newton wanted 1.

He wanted 1, okay.

20.

3. Eight.
Three, three. Eight, and Cam Newton wanted one.
He wanted one, okay. 20.
Three.

I tried to give him two, but he wanted...

62.

62.

62.

What are you looking at, Max?

Nothing.

It's just going to be...

How's your toe feeling, bitch?

Toe actually feels almost back.

Almost back.

Yeah, I saw during the producer bowl Max was too injured to play bocce ball.

That's not true.

I said I would have played bocce ball.

I did too.

You were like gritting on the sidelines.

No, well, there was another event that got axed that I was ready performing.

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Oh, yeah. And it's going to be great.
Oh, yeah.

And it's going to be great.

Oh, yeah.

Max, you look like a bitch

jumping up and down.

Well, I didn't want to get

my foot stepped on.

Oh, okay.

Love you guys.

But I still wanted to celebrate

with my squad.

Love you guys.

Love you guys.

That video was so good. Thank you.
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