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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have our good friend Kirk Herbstreet on the show talking college football. We're going to talk a little Monday night football, hot seat, cool throne,

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Speaker 1 Welcome to Part of My Take. Today is Wednesday, November 29th, and the Bears might be back, PFT.

Speaker 5 Yeah, their defense is back.

Speaker 5 I wish I loved anything as much as Matt Iberflus loves throwing tunnel screens.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Luke Getze. Luke Getze.
Luke Getze loves throwing tunnel screens. Monday night football was an abomination of football.

Speaker 1 Did it?

Speaker 1 Now, I'm biased. It was a big one.
Because I was watching the Bears, but did it become, was it so bad it became fun at any point?

Speaker 5 It was fun because you didn't know what was going to happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 You didn't know how the ball was going to get turned over next, what the Bears were going to do on offense to squander, great field position. Yep.
It was a great pass at the end of the game. Yes.

Speaker 5 Like, he threw the pass when it counted, so Justin Fields has to be happy about that.

Speaker 5 But I saw, I was addicted to just looking at Justin Fields' passing charts after the game, and it was just green dots directly to the side, nothing across the middle whatsoever.

Speaker 5 They say that

Speaker 5 they have confidence in him as a quarterback. You should let him throw the ball to to the middle of the field.
Yes. Once in a while.

Speaker 1 Yes. And some of it is on Justin Fields because there are times where it feels like he maybe holds on to the ball too long.

Speaker 1 And we've talked at length about his drop backs being a little slower than everyone else's. But overall, and this is, so I've struggled with this because,

Speaker 1 and you correctly called me out last week about being in this same spot again this year where it's like, oh, losses are good. We're in Groundhog's Day.
I'm actually happy they won.

Speaker 1 I know that you're happy they won. I am.
Hank, you're happy they won.

Speaker 1 I'm happy they won because the Bears might finally be done like in the total tank off and start actually playing some decent football. They're 4-4 in their last eight.
Their defense looks awesome.

Speaker 1 Montez Sweat, for the people who laughed at that trade, I think it's just, it was just general like knee-jerk reaction because the Chase Claypool thing.

Speaker 1 The defense is flying around, playing great. The offense has dudes.
DJ Moore is awesome. Cole Komet is good.

Speaker 1 We can talk about Justin Fields and what that means, but for the first time in a very long time, I'm optimistic about the Chicago Bears and where they're headed because I think you can build off of what they've done defensively.

Speaker 1 And Ryan Pohl's brought in like Jermaine Edmonds and TJ Edwards and all these guys that are playing well and a really good draft pick with Darnell Wright.

Speaker 1 I don't know what's going to happen with Eberflues.

Speaker 1 I think he should still be fired, but I am for the first time in a long time like, hey, the Bears actually have, we're no longer just like a million pieces away.

Speaker 1 We're a few pieces away from being a good football team. Yeah, the defense is quarterback might be one of the best.

Speaker 5 The defense is really, really good.

Speaker 5 I think that that's not a fluke. And if you watch the camera on Ryan Poles throughout the game,

Speaker 5 there's no way for him to know when the camera's on him. There should be, somebody should let him know when they're focusing.

Speaker 5 on him on the main broadcast because he was like just shaking his head like i can't believe this shit but then after the game they won and he looked like the happiest person on earth. Yes.

Speaker 5 They kind of unleashed it at the end, just enough to make it count.

Speaker 5 I agree that Sweat is an impact maker on defense. I told you he was better than Chase Young.

Speaker 1 No, you were not one of those people. It was more the, I get it.
And when you root for a bad franchise, you become the butt of a lot of jokes. People were like, why would they do this?

Speaker 1 Why not just sign him in free agency? It's like, well, you don't know if he's going to sign in free agency. You don't know what the price is going to be.
Ryan Poles was aggressive.

Speaker 1 He got an impact player that's going to be very good and signed him long term.

Speaker 5 What I don't want to have happen is for all of us to turn on Josh Dobbs because

Speaker 5 it feels like we're starting to have the conversation. I've heard a lot of people talk about like, well, maybe this is why Josh Dobbs has been on so many teams in the last three years.

Speaker 5 Now, he had a bad game last night. Very bad game last night.

Speaker 5 Very bad game.

Speaker 5 I still want Josh Dobbs around.

Speaker 5 I'm not going to forget what Josh Dobbs did for America this season, taking just dog shit Cardinals games and making them entertaining for us.

Speaker 5 That time where he filled in for Kirk Cousins on like two days, or not Kirk Cousins, backup backup came in on like two days' notice, didn't know the receivers' names.

Speaker 5 I'm willing to overlook a bad game or two from Josh Dobbs and just trust the process with him and just know that, yeah, he's probably not a long-term situational starter for anybody, but Josh Dobbs still has a place in this NFL and he's good enough to play.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he maybe should just not learn the playbook because we talked about this when he went to Minnesota and played well in the first couple games.

Speaker 1 And when he was in Arizona, he had been signed to the Cardinals like two weeks before the season started and played well in September. Maybe it's just learning the playbook is too much.

Speaker 5 What's the name of that learning curve? Where I think it might just be called the learning curve.

Speaker 5 But if you start at a new job, sometimes you're really good at the start because you don't know anything. Right.
So you ask a lot of questions. And then you think you know everything.

Speaker 5 You just play free football.

Speaker 5 So after you think you know everything, then you get bad. And then you get good again once you do actually know everything.

Speaker 1 So we need need to find him getting good again.

Speaker 5 We need to just keep him playing football in the NFL until he gets good again.

Speaker 1 Yes, I like that. And the Vikings, that was a bad loss to the Vikings because now you have the Packers and Rams breathing down their throat.

Speaker 5 Great loss for the Lions, though.

Speaker 1 Great loss for the Lions. Uh, Lions have to play the Bears next week after the bye week.

Speaker 5 I was this Iberflues' first divisional win?

Speaker 1 It was, it took 30 weeks, 30 regular season weeks for

Speaker 1 the Eberflues Poles combo to make good on their guarantee, Ryan Poles in his introductory press conference said, we're going to take the North and we're never going to give it back.

Speaker 5 This is the start. This is the start.

Speaker 1 Day one. I know people will shit on me for being optimistic here, but I really do feel like the first time, like, I can see everything that Poles is doing and the defense, building on the defense, and

Speaker 1 having a true number one wide receiver, having a true number one tight end, having a really good Darnell Wright, like it, it does still all come down to what they want to do with Justin Fields.

Speaker 1 And I could be, I guess I'm open to whatever the next coach, hopefully the next coach decides because I've talked myself into maybe doing Marvin Harrison an offensive lineman and seeing if you could get Justin Fields to take another step forward.

Speaker 1 Or if the new coach comes in and says we need a quarterback, all right, draft your quarterback. But they have,

Speaker 1 again, it comes back to the fact that for the first time in a long time, the Bears don't feel they're like three or four guys away, not 15 guys away.

Speaker 5 I think, and it all depends on where you, where the Panthers finish up. It looks like you're probably going to have the first overall pick.

Speaker 1 That's the part that I don't care about winning because we have that in our back pocket.

Speaker 5 If you have the first overall pick, I think the move is probably to try to trade Justin Fields. And how many years does he have left? He's two, I believe.
Two. So see what you can get for him.

Speaker 1 Decide on his option at the end of next year.

Speaker 5 Decide on it. And then, yeah, see what you can get for him.
And then I think the new coach is going to probably want to go in a different direction.

Speaker 1 I also was very happy for Justin Fields because his defense has let him down a lot. Last year, there were a lot of games where he played okay, and the defense gave up like 30 points.

Speaker 1 So it was nice to have a reversal where the fumble was bad, very bad. I think we all expected it to happen.
And then the defense bowed up, and they were able to win the game.

Speaker 1 It's weird to think, like, is this the first time in a year and a half where I'm like, yeah, I'm actually happy because for culture-wise, I know the tanking helps the draft pick, but at some point, you have to win so that you just can start to shed the loser culture.

Speaker 5 You know what would be great, though, if somehow a coach was so good at tanking that they drew up specific plays and designed interceptions. Yeah.

Speaker 5 And so the play is: all right, you're going to hit this DB.

Speaker 1 Well, that Josh Thompson was doing that last night.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so you got to hit this guy on this route, and then that's going to give him a better chance to return for six and see how well you can execute on your intentionally bad plays.

Speaker 5 That's next-level shit. I don't think the NFL is ready for it yet.
At the very end of the game, was your butthole just like a little bit tight when

Speaker 5 they started throwing the ball back and forth, back and forth, back and forth?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 Until they threw the flag for illegal forward pass, I just, I was thinking, like, kind of like when we watched the Jets on Black Friday. Yeah.
This could happen to the Bears. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's going to happen to a team. It could happen to the Bears.

Speaker 1 Usually I don't get nervous until they're on like the 40,

Speaker 1 you know, the opposing 40. Yeah.
They got to about midfield. But yeah, I'm, I know people are going to be like, what the fuck? Why are you being optimistic? I'm optimistic about the Bears.

Speaker 1 For the first time in a long time, I can see that the pieces are starting to come into place. And Ryan Pohl's doing a good job.
He's brought in some good free agents, trades, all that stuff.

Speaker 5 They also look too happy with each other in the back room.

Speaker 5 They're honestly, I think they like each other, which is sometimes when you go through a season like this where you lose a lot, especially early on, you just start to not be that pumped about coming to work.

Speaker 5 Like, I've seen that before.

Speaker 1 And the one thing I'm nervous about is

Speaker 1 the Bears' schedule at the end of the season is not that hard. We have the Lions next week or after the bye week at home.

Speaker 1 And then, obviously, at Browns, Browns' defense is really good, but we don't know who's going to be playing quarterback. Cardinals, Falcons, at Packers.

Speaker 1 Like, Matty Bufus might be able to keep his job, which that scares me. I really want him to just be promoted to D.C.
I don't think he is. He's a really good defensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 He's doing stuff that Allen Williams never dreamt of doing. Like, he is coaching this defense to be significantly better the last, whatever, month and a half.
But, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's my only concern. It really comes down to this.
The Bears have all the options in front of them. I can see all the pieces.
I'm very optimistic.

Speaker 1 Now you have to execute and make the right decisions, which we all know that could blow up in our face.

Speaker 5 It could. It could.
And don't get me wrong, it was a shitty game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it was terrible. It was a really bad game.
The Bears should have won by like 21.

Speaker 5 You have a right to be optimistic about the future, but for most of America watching that, it was bad. It was so bad that Troy just started laughing in the fourth quarter.
Yeah, the offense was bad.

Speaker 5 I think they threw another like three-yard loss on a screenplay to a wide receiver, and Troy was just, he didn't have any commentary.

Speaker 5 He probably just wanted to reach out to the telestrated and draw the dick and balls on it because

Speaker 5 it was laughably, laughably bad offense from the Bears for a very long time. And they did enough to win.
Great, good for the Bears. I'm happy for the Bears.

Speaker 5 I'm happy that I think you guys are actually ahead of us. I miscalculated that because the first tiebreaker is not head-to-head.
No, it's

Speaker 5 strength of schedule. So you guys are ahead of us by just a little bit.
Who do you have on Sunday? We're a bye week. Bye week, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're we have the dolphins, so we're gonna lose. Right now, the Patriots are the third pick, the Bears are the fourth pick, and the Commanders are the fifth pick.
Okay, love it. Look at us.

Speaker 1 Who would have thought? However,

Speaker 5 if you look at the top,

Speaker 5 Hank.

Speaker 6 Project will go to the Combine this year and actually scout.

Speaker 5 Yeah, project cap space for next year. I think that's the order that it's in, too.
I think we're the top three.

Speaker 5 Listen, if you're buying stocks,

Speaker 5 you're buying stock. You should be buying stock in our fandom right now.
This room is about to become winners in three to five years.

Speaker 1 I use our good friend Tom Fernelli's safe space sounding board for a lot of stuff because, you know, we're both Bears fans, working sports media.

Speaker 1 we were saying maybe playoffs next year so

Speaker 1 it's scary but yeah let me just I'm having one one good victory Victory Tuesday what's your record right now we're four and eight why not playoffs this year four and four in the last eight you're in the hunt yeah I don't think playoffs this year I don't think that's gonna happen you're in the hunt I'm just trying to talk you into it also I

Speaker 1 told my son that we won the game and he was actually very excited so tanking maybe not and then he got me back by asking to listen to Taylor Swift on the car ride to school he's got good taste

Speaker 1 I think he's doing that to troll me.

Speaker 5 You got to separate the art from the artist with Taylor Swift. Great, great musician.
Terrible human being.

Speaker 1 Oh, we banged out some Taylor Swift. I turned it on.

Speaker 1 I'm not a monster. I was like, let's listen to some Taylor Swift.
All right. Good news for the Vikings.
Justin Jefferson is back, right? Didn't he get... Did I get a Schefter notification about him?

Speaker 5 Oh, I might have missed that one.

Speaker 6 This was his last week to be on the IR. Okay.

Speaker 5 Okay. Jordan Addison looked good again last night for the most part.

Speaker 1 Except for, well, that was more Josh Dobbs throwing him out of bounds.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that should have have been a touchdown.

Speaker 1 That was a crazy play. Yeah, he's activated.
Okay. And then also, Aaron Rodgers said that anyone who says that he made up his injury can go fuck themselves.
Okay.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I do that several times a day.

Speaker 1 So, any other NFL stuff before we talk about college ball?

Speaker 5 Yeah, Bryce Young got the dreaded vote of confidence from his owner. So David Tepper gave a big press conference today, answered questions.

Speaker 5 They asked him about the choice to draft Bryce Young over C.J. Stroud, and he made sure to say say several times, this was unanimous.
Everybody in the room says unanimous.

Speaker 5 Sounds like he's trying to get out in front of the story that Frank Reich is probably going to say,

Speaker 5 which is,

Speaker 5 he's going to say I wanted C.J. Stroud.
That's a classic former coach move.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 5 Tepper made sure to say several times it was unanimous. We all agreed on this.
Do you remember that? I think it was in.

Speaker 5 I think it was in Independence Day when they decided to nuke the United States because of all the aliens. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Where the president was like, I need everybody to be unanimous about this because this is is what i want to do and i don't want somebody going to the press later i think that's what tepper was saying yeah during the draft process like we have to be all in on bryce young so you tell me that you're all in right now frank yeah frank was like sir yes sir i'm all in the um

Speaker 1 so we we should say what was the guy's name the reporter he's now officially off the hot seat kunkle kunkle who his wife is an awl yeah so he he tweeted us and was like my wife was very happy to hear my name getting said even though it's a fake name kunkle uh but yeah he is off the hot seat because he reported that Frank Reich's seat was on fire.

Speaker 1 And we said that if he doesn't get fired on Monday, then Kunkle's on the hot seat. Yeah.
Kunkle, you're on the cool throne.

Speaker 5 Cool throne for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but David Tepper is, I mean, he's so quickly become the worst owner. I don't know.
I mean, Dan Snyder leaving helped. Yeah, it helped.
Helped out. I don't know why.

Speaker 5 I mean, the Bears owner.

Speaker 1 Yeah, although they're like

Speaker 5 a cartoon super villain.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 they're passively bad. He's

Speaker 1 aggressively bad. Yeah.
Where like he's doing too much. He's a problem.
There's a lot of owners that, yeah, like you're like, hey, could you do maybe more or hire the right people?

Speaker 1 He's like, I'm going to just fix all these problems by micromanaging and firing people.

Speaker 5 I'm going to run the team myself. Yeah.
Frank Reich, congratulations to Frank Reich. He's now double dipping on buyouts.
Good for him.

Speaker 1 Back-to-back years gets fired mid-season.

Speaker 5 He's getting money from Mr. Ursay as well as Mr.
Tepper right now. I heard a little rumor, Max.
Maybe you can address this. Frank Reich, who do he used to be the offensive coordinator for?

Speaker 1 Eagles. Yeah.

Speaker 5 What about him going? Is he coming home?

Speaker 1 I would love.

Speaker 5 Well, another set of eyes.

Speaker 7 Right now, it's looking like Johnson's going to be a top candidate for a head coach in the offseason. I would have no problem with Frank Reich coming home being an OC for the Birds.

Speaker 5 I could see them bringing him in for the rest of the season as an offensive consultant. They like doing that.
Just get another guy in the building.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, not now.

Speaker 5 You don't think so? Not now.

Speaker 7 He could come in the building now. Yeah.
I'd take it back. He can come in now.

Speaker 1 Or he won Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 Send him out to L.A. Reunite him with Carson Wentz.
Recreate some of that match.

Speaker 1 Nah, I'll take him. Chris Tabor's their interim head coach.

Speaker 1 He has coached a game when Matt Nagy got

Speaker 1 COVID in 2021. He coached one game for the Bears.

Speaker 5 Who could forget?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he is their interim. I'm going to have to decide if he can get a little dead coach bounce for them.

Speaker 1 It might just be bad.

Speaker 5 I kind of like David Tepper, though. Just in the situation.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, because he's not our own. He's not our own.

Speaker 5 He's fun to talk about and he's fun to observe. I actually, I was lucky enough to have dinner with him in Cabo on Valentine's Day this year.
I don't know if I told you guys that.

Speaker 1 What? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, he was sitting at the table directly next to mine at the resort. His, how do I say this diplomatically? His wife really likes Pino Griggio a lot.

Speaker 1 A whole lot.

Speaker 6 Who doesn't?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 1 A lot.

Speaker 1 Damn. Vacation with billionaires.

Speaker 5 She had a great time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He.
I'm not on any flight. What happened after?

Speaker 5 Oh, you know, we all went back to the suite, had a good time.

Speaker 1 He

Speaker 1 does kind of rule in the fact that

Speaker 1 super, super rich guys that get everything they want for their entire life, then get to a point where what they've done doesn't work anymore is very fun to watch. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's like, I'm just going to do the same thing I've done all my life because that's why I'm rich. It's like well the NFL works a little different, buddy.

Speaker 5 It's everyone else's problem. Right.
It's not mine. Right, exactly.

Speaker 1 Exactly. All right, anything else in NFL? We'll do some college.
We have a Herb Street on, so we're going to do a bunch of college with him.

Speaker 5 I think we can get into it more on Friday's show, but I just want to say, Max, I am, I feel disrespected for the Eagles because now I think they're three-point underdog. Two and a half.

Speaker 1 No, I think it moved. It moved?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think it moved to three earlier.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 5 So I think it jumped up to three.

Speaker 5 I still think that the 49ers might win this game, but this is actually giving Siriani all the ammunition that he could ever need.

Speaker 5 He's perpetually looking for a way to call himself an underdog, as most coaches are. But this is like, this is gold for him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 He's going to be blasting rockets.

Speaker 1 Damn, man.

Speaker 1 You guys are going to suck. Three-point underdogs at home.

Speaker 5 What's your record, Max?

Speaker 7 That'd be 10-1.

Speaker 1 Yeah. 10-1?

Speaker 5 Well, the Niners are better than that, right?

Speaker 1 Nope.

Speaker 1 Weird.

Speaker 1 I bet the Niners at minus one. What do you mean they're minus one? I bet them at minus one on Sunday night.

Speaker 8 You just keep making up lines.

Speaker 7 You just keep making up lines.

Speaker 1 I'll show you my bet slip. Osco? You want to see my bet slip?

Speaker 1 Here. Minus one? When was it at minus one?

Speaker 1 Hey,

Speaker 1 come here. Yeah, I know you believe me, but come look and confirm so that Max, yet again, yet again, loser Max in his loser excuses can fucking shut up.
Look at that right there.

Speaker 1 Is that not minus one?

Speaker 1 That's minus one. All right, fine.

Speaker 7 You're just a birds hater now. You know what it is? You're upset that you didn't place your future earlier because you had this whole plan that the Eagles are going to lose all these games.

Speaker 1 My plan is still going to work. My plan is still going to work.

Speaker 7 We're going to lose all these games during this gauntlet, and then you were going to hop on, and it's not going to play.

Speaker 1 It's still going to work. It's still going to work.

Speaker 1 That's what it is.

Speaker 1 Of course it is. Of course it is.
No duh.

Speaker 1 No duh.

Speaker 1 All right,

Speaker 1 let's do a little college football and then we'll do hot seat, cool throne. Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 Quick college football because we do talk with Herbie about a lot of it.

Speaker 1 One thing we didn't talk to him about, though,

Speaker 1 I actually think this might be the worst loss for a fan base ever in Ohio State. Okay.

Speaker 1 So hear me out. They had an opportunity on Saturday to essentially erase three years of Michigan football and go like back to when Ohio State,

Speaker 1 I think there was a stretch from 2003 or whatever to 2021 where they had won every single time except for like two.

Speaker 1 If they had won on Saturday, they could have all gone around and said, the only reason you beat us was because you cheated. And the minute you couldn't cheat anymore,

Speaker 1 all the normalcy has been restored in the world, and we're better than you. And it's just a blip on the radar, you cheaters.

Speaker 1 Now, Michigan, with their backup, you know, with their interim head coach, Sean Moore, who called a great game, gets to be like,

Speaker 1 you guys cried, you bitched, you moaned, you started investigations, and we still just ran the ball down your throat.

Speaker 5 I think you might be right because, yeah, you're always looking for an excuse when you lose a rivalry game like that. And you had a built-in one saying, like, okay,

Speaker 5 it was all done like cloak and dagger shit behind the scenes. You can't beat us man on man.

Speaker 5 Sharon Moore, I think, here's a take: Sharon Moore, by being like a step head coach that only visits on weekends, he was actually in a better position than Ryan Day was because more, he can like let his freak flag fly and doesn't really have to worry about, okay, well, I've got, I have to be a Michigan head coach that beats Ohio State.

Speaker 5 He's just there like kind of keeping the seat warm for Jim when he comes back.

Speaker 1 Although he might be the guy in next year.

Speaker 5 He could go for it.

Speaker 5 He could go for it when he wanted to. He made some really aggressive calls.
And Ohio State, Ryan Day, I don't think Ohio State played a bad game at all.

Speaker 5 I thought Ohio State played a pretty good game over.

Speaker 5 It was just a good game of football. And the funniest part of the game, I don't know if you caught this, I'm a bit bit of a flyboy.
So I saw during the

Speaker 5 flyover before the game, you see the plane that they flew over. Yes.
It looked like it was a Delta Airlines flight. It was not your standard B-2 F-22, F-18, F-16.
I can keep going. But

Speaker 5 it was a Poseidon. And a Poseidon is a spy airplane.
It's a dedicated spy espionage surveillance airplane that they flew over the stadium. That has to be the most expensive troll of all time.
Yes.

Speaker 5 Right?

Speaker 1 Michigan can do it. And they can do it.
Stephen Ross probably just wrote the check.

Speaker 5 And it worked. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if Harbaugh was in there.
Yeah. Like put him in some fatigues.

Speaker 5 Strap a parachute on him.

Speaker 1 But we should,

Speaker 5 I think that's the most expensive troll. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it really is. Ohio State.
It's, it's almost like, I think it's a skins game in golf when you, when you, when the hole, like if you have a hole, it counts as two to the next one.

Speaker 1 That was a skins game in football. They basically could have won three games in one.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they could have more actively.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Ryan Day,

Speaker 1 I agree with you. Ohio State wasn't, it wasn't like the last two years where Michigan was like, we're just more physical than you.
We're tougher than you. We kick the shit out of you.

Speaker 1 This was a very even game.

Speaker 1 It just came down to Ryan Day being a little too conservative in a couple moments that cut like the end of half when he was like, hey, let's have our kicker who's never kicked this far in a rivalry game in cold weather try the longest kick ever instead of trying to get a few more yards.

Speaker 5 Did he make the first one, though? He did,

Speaker 1 which I think is always a stupid thing to do.

Speaker 5 To follow through? Yeah. As a kicker, I would always like a warm-up shot, though.

Speaker 1 But once you make it once, you're just like, you lose it.

Speaker 5 Can I do that again? Yeah, it's like Trump's theory of your body being a battery. And once you lose that, it's gone forever.
That's one less made kick that you'll ever have in your entire life. Yes.

Speaker 5 You make a chip shot in practice.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was weird at the end of the half.

Speaker 5 If I were the kicker, I would definitely take that shot. But it worked.
Icing the kicker works. People forget that.

Speaker 5 Like, there's studies out there that have shown that on long field goals, icing the kicker is actually like you can prove that it's 5%, 10% better, depending on the kicker, obviously.

Speaker 5 But I want to stand up real quick for the big house. I want to, the big house gets slandered sometimes.

Speaker 1 Well, it does the way it's designed. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it's great for this game. It gets loud for this game.

Speaker 5 It was so fucking

Speaker 5 like I've watched many games played at Michigan before, and I've never thought to myself, it's actually not that loud on the field. It always seems loud on the field to me.

Speaker 5 I just think that it could be even louder.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it could.

Speaker 5 There's no disrespect to it. It's very, very loud, but you could do a whole lot better.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I mean, I've been to, I don't know, like, probably four or five games at the Big House.
It's an insane stadium. Like, it's, it's impressive just the size.

Speaker 1 And it's also very cool because you walk in like basically halfway up. So it's like sunken.

Speaker 1 So you walk, when you walk in, you're walking in on the on the street level, you're, you're, like, 70 rows up, or whatever it is. So it's very cool.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the, the way it's set up is the sound kind of escapes. But that game, yeah, it was so loud.
Yeah, it was loud. And And going on the field after, it was a great college football Saturday.

Speaker 1 We had the Iron Bowl, which was just insane, which we talked to Herbie about.

Speaker 1 The one thing we didn't talk to him about, the Apple Cup was awesome, and Kalen DeBoer, that fourth down call where he did the trick play on his own like 20.

Speaker 1 The balls on that, like your entire season is on the line right there.

Speaker 1 And he's like, yeah, this is when I got this play, which was like, it was like a fake handoff pitch outside that went for like 40 yards. It was, that was a great game.

Speaker 1 And in Washington, they are kind of like TCU last year. They just find a way to win these games.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the Apple Cup is a very underrated rivalry, too. Yeah.
I think like unless

Speaker 5 unless you're from the Northwest,

Speaker 5 you don't understand just how much those two fan bases hate each other. It's bad.
It's bad. It's almost like SEC level on that game day.
They're like at each other's throats.

Speaker 5 So I am glad, would they extend five years? I think so, yeah. Yeah, so at least they got something right.
Yeah. With the, with all the realignment.
Like, yeah, keep some of these traditions.

Speaker 5 Also, we had our first Arch Manning sighting in Texas. They beat the fuck out of Texas.
Tech, yes.

Speaker 5 It was a whomping. I forget how many they won, but I think they were up by 50 at the time.
57-7. 57-7.
Won by 50.

Speaker 5 Arch Manning gets in, I think, at the end of the third quarter is when they put him in the game. And I have a take about Arch Manning.
Are you ready for this?

Speaker 5 Because you have to have a take about Arch Manning. I think I figured out what mine's going to be early.

Speaker 5 I think Arch Manning might be too good of a quarterback.

Speaker 5 I don't think that there are receivers out there that are good enough to play with Arch Manning.

Speaker 5 He had two touchdown passes, I think it was on his first drive, that were just fucking laser beams right on their hands. Bounced off their hands.
It reminded him.

Speaker 1 Too good of a ball?

Speaker 5 Yeah, too good of a ball. I don't think maybe Josh McDaniels, offensive genius, who's just too advanced for the modern-day NFL.

Speaker 5 Maybe he could figure out a way to get Arch Manning quarterbacks in future. But you remember when we were watching March Madness and Marquise Noel?

Speaker 5 He's throwing those passes between his legs behind the back. Surprising his guys.
Surprising his guys. The ball was going out of bounds.

Speaker 5 I think Arch is up to those kind of tricks. I think he's too good at playing quarterback.

Speaker 1 I like that.

Speaker 5 He's so good that he sucks. I like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Arch Manning, let's get him in the game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so we have a lot more college football talk.

Speaker 1 Don't be upset that we're not doing everything because we're going to get through all the playoff iterations and everything with Kirk Herb Street.

Speaker 1 It's been, that was a great Saturday.

Speaker 1 That was just a great college football Saturday where it's just all these rivalry games, chaos everywhere, and we still haven't had the big chaos, which maybe happens this championship Saturday.

Speaker 1 Like, it just hasn't, it feels like we're always right there, and we haven't had the, oh man, like now everything's flipped up.

Speaker 5 I'm rooting for chaos. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love it. I'm rooting for them to have to admit that games don't matter, which is what they're going to admit.

Speaker 1 I think games matter, but I think they're going to, I want them to have to just like put in Alabama over Texas and then the whole farce of it be like games don't matter. No one should schedule anyone.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so we talked to herbie about it but uh the whole florida state thing i actually i i had an aha moment this morning when i woke up and i was like wait a second like they they want to have big names in this playoff and right now florida state even though they are a big name uh traditionally they're they don't have the same buzz as like a texas would have so i'm just thinking that florida state will get fucked unless if florida state wins by like 40 points then they'll cardell jones then they'll get in yeah yeah cardell jones then they'll get in but if you're a seminal fan like I'm sorry, but I think you're about to get fucked.

Speaker 5 I don't think so.

Speaker 1 Games have to matter. They have to matter.
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All right, Hank.

Speaker 6 My hot seat is Sports Illustrated.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I had that too, Hank.
Do it. Side day for journalism.
Let's do it. Let's get into it.

Speaker 5 Love stealing our hot seats.

Speaker 6 Tragic day for journalism. I mean,

Speaker 6 the biggest magazine in our lives, my life growing up, was Sports Illustrated. That was the premier place for sports articles.
Read the back page.

Speaker 6 They got caught for hiring an AI firm to not only write fake articles, but they made fake AI-looking headshots for the fake writers so that the articles would appear real.

Speaker 6 They got called out for it, deleted all the articles, and then released a statement on X

Speaker 6 closing all the comments. So they basically were like, we hired a third-party website.
We didn't know what they were doing. We have a process.

Speaker 6 We were in the middle of checking this out when this came to light. And so we've taken them down, trying to take no blame for it.
But it was clear that they just tried to outsource everything to AI.

Speaker 5 This makes me question everything now. Yeah.
Was Rick Riley a real person? Was Peter King a real person?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was funny watching a bunch of the Sports Illustrated people be like, I actually was a real person.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I don't know. I'm not convinced that Peter King's real.
I actually think Peter King is fake.

Speaker 1 I would agree.

Speaker 5 Peter King's, he's not real. He's AI.

Speaker 5 You know what their business model was for the last like three years? It was basically like, look at this funny tweet.

Speaker 5 So they would just find a funny tweet from a player, and then the headline would be like, you won't believe what Shaq just tweeted. And then it would just be a screenshot of the tweet.

Speaker 5 And I'm pretty sure all those were written by just AI, just robots.

Speaker 1 It's so I don't fully understand AI. I did see that like AI

Speaker 1 singer.

Speaker 5 Oh, she sucks. Sucks.
She's awful.

Speaker 1 That was actually my first moment. I was like, everyone was getting upset about AI.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 AI sucks. Nothing to worry about.
We beat AI. I think AI might have, it would be funny if AI's only body that it ever caught was Sports Illustrators.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like we, if you told yourself, if you told like 13-year-old PFT and Big Cat when you're sitting on the shitter reading Rick Riley back page, you're like, the future is going to be scary.

Speaker 1 Sports Illustrator is going to be run by robots. Like, that's it? Yeah.
Okay. I'll take that trade.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Also, I feel very secure in my job.
I don't think that we would ever be able to take it over by AI. Do you think there's no AI? No, we could.
No, there's no AI that's stupid enough

Speaker 5 to have the same discussions that we have.

Speaker 1 How would they get things wrong all the time? Like, don't computers get things right? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Can you imagine an AI having a debate about whether or not to do it? It could be one of the lines.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bad takes. Bad takes.

Speaker 6 We have the voice stuff.

Speaker 1 Just be very wrong about things?

Speaker 6 I think we're close to the like, you know,

Speaker 6 Terminator,

Speaker 6 extinction, no, you know what you think. Matrix and Terminator are all one movie.

Speaker 1 Okay, I think we're getting very close to like the AI is here.

Speaker 6 Everyone thinks it's bad. But the second that it fixes itself and gets good, we're fucked.

Speaker 5 And then it's over. You're being a mouthpiece for big AI because I actually think

Speaker 5 that's a good thing.

Speaker 6 I think we need to accept that it's a threat. And

Speaker 6 I don't think there's anything we can do, honestly, at this point.

Speaker 5 That's why you're being a mouthpiece for it. I agree with our friend Jay Caspian Kang on this.

Speaker 5 He is of the mindset, and I agree with him 100%,

Speaker 5 that

Speaker 5 the people who are being terrified about AI and all this buzz about AI like taking over everyone's job, taking over the world, that's marketing that the AI people are trying to get out there to build buzz about AI.

Speaker 5 I think it's advanced.

Speaker 1 It's also one of those situations where you have to ask yourself, are we two online? The answer is always yes. Do regular people think about AI? Are they like having the first ones?

Speaker 1 But like, there's there's a it's a big fucking world out there.

Speaker 1 I feel like this is one of those debates that happens on Twitter, and we have to take a pot, like, a step back and be like, whoa, we're way too online. Like, who cares?

Speaker 1 I think AI is who should care.

Speaker 5 AI is definitely coming for like the trucking industry first, and then the truckers aren't going to put up with that shit.

Speaker 5 They're just going to park their big rigs on the highways and be like, yeah, the truckers want to figure it out for us. Truckers always save us.
Shout out truckers.

Speaker 1 By the way, you mentioned our friend Jay Caspian King. He had a really good point about the Auburn loss in the Iron Bowl.
He said, devastating for Auburn fans.

Speaker 1 Only comparable thing I can think of is when Coach K brought 80-plus former players to Cameron for his last game and lost to Carolina and then apologized to the crowd and said they would finish the season strong, and then they lost again in the final four.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 That is really the only thing comparable.

Speaker 5 I liked it.

Speaker 6 I think I might change his hurt or injured board to just

Speaker 6 show since Big Hat's shoehorned Coach K into it.

Speaker 1 He said Jay Caspian King. I saw a tweet that was very funny that I retweeted.

Speaker 5 I basically said that. That was PFT's fault.
Yeah, it was my fault.

Speaker 1 He brought up Jay Caspian King.

Speaker 6 On my other hot seat, not AI, I think I got a computer virus. So if you've got any emails or anything.

Speaker 1 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 1 What happened?

Speaker 1 I was. You can't just be like, oh, blah, blah, blah.
I got a computer virus. PFT, what's your hot seat?

Speaker 5 How'd you get it, Hank?

Speaker 6 I was downloading a, I was making a, editing a video, and I was downloading a song from YouTube, YouTube to MP3 classic.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 6 And I got hit with the fake download button. Oh.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 6 that and it opened up, and then I wasn't paying attention.

Speaker 6 I got an allow or decline screen for, like, I thought it was to get the download. So I clicked allow, but it was for push notifications from this

Speaker 6 hack website. And then I just got a million push notifications.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. I did the dry clouds hacked.

Speaker 6 This is hacked.

Speaker 5 Hank, you're officially a boomer now.

Speaker 7 Oh, no. I did this exact same thing last week, but then I just kept getting all the push notifications.
But I just went into my settings and turned it off, and I haven't noticed anything.

Speaker 1 It didn't do anything.

Speaker 1 There is nothing scarier than that moment when you do the one click too many and then you basically tell yourself that if you can just X out fast enough, you'll be fine.

Speaker 5 I just X, X, X, X.

Speaker 1 You're like, all right, I'm good. I'm good.
I just turned my computer off.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 6 The notification came up was like,

Speaker 6 your Gmail is being hacked. Like, open.
I clicked open.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no, no. So I did two clicks too many.

Speaker 6 P said I should be fine.

Speaker 6 We'll see, though. So just something to to keep in mind.

Speaker 5 We have to keep an eye on you now. Like, I have a rule with my mom that before she clicks on any links, she has to send me a screenshot.

Speaker 1 I said download on the button.

Speaker 5 I think you need to ask us. That's tough, Hank.
You got to let us know when you're thinking about downloading.

Speaker 6 I was trying to make a highlight reel. You're a C-suite guy.
Dunking on PFT.

Speaker 1 Well, this actually might be why

Speaker 1 who gets

Speaker 5 what we're going to make a highlight reel of?

Speaker 6 From Surviving Barcelona when I went five or six on New Shooting. I made it.
It's out there.

Speaker 1 Great. Who's

Speaker 6 fished the most at this company?

Speaker 1 Who's got what?

Speaker 6 Who's gotten fished, scammed?

Speaker 1 Cherry.

Speaker 6 No?

Speaker 1 Who? Erica. Oh, yeah.
Erica does get scammed left and right. So we get texts from fake Erica's all the time.
See, sweet life. Yeah.
But this also means you might be getting old. Like,

Speaker 1 we're the young whipper snappers that have got to come in and look at your computer and be like, let's fix this real quick for you.

Speaker 5 I don't think I've ever gotten hacked.

Speaker 1 There's beans. There's beans in the computer.

Speaker 6 It's been, it's, you know.

Speaker 6 I'm just preemptively saying it. Just

Speaker 6 Pete said he thinks I'm fine.

Speaker 1 You ever see that video?

Speaker 5 Which one? The guy puts

Speaker 1 he has a desktop and he just puts like five cans of beans in his desktop and then he hires a geek squad guy to come check it out. And the guy opens it up.
He's like, there's beans in here.

Speaker 1 He's like, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 There's beans in the computer. That's you, Hank.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 A cool throw is the sun, the fucking sun.

Speaker 6 Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Like

Speaker 1 a tweet

Speaker 6 about sunscreen basically being here.

Speaker 1 I'll read the tweet.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I saw this. Like Tom Brady?

Speaker 5 Just drink a bunch of water.

Speaker 6 Yes, from Russell O'Kung,

Speaker 6 Proud Base Parent Moment. My four-year-old stopped me and asked why other people use sunscreen.

Speaker 6 I looked at him seriously and responded, Corporations push propaganda machines to make the masses believe the sun is bad for them. We have a different view.

Speaker 1 Now let's go. Yes.
That parent sucks.

Speaker 5 On that butthole.

Speaker 5 Just get the tank going. Russell O'Kung, he's the former offensive lineman.
I think he took his entire salary in crypto. Yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 That parent could have easily just been like, sunscreen's bullshit.

Speaker 6 You just say that. Also, like a Ruth Conde fan.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not a real conversation.

Speaker 1 No one talks to their kids like that.

Speaker 6 Why would a four-year-old? I mean, you know better. No.
Or would somebody,

Speaker 1 why do other people use sunscreen? No, my son has probably asked that. Like, I don't want to put on sunscreen.
I'm like, well, you got to.

Speaker 5 My four-year-old son, Chris, he respects the sun. That's day one stuff as a dad.

Speaker 1 Whenever a kid asks why, you just say, because.

Speaker 1 That's it. Game over.

Speaker 5 Also, because. Selling base dad merchandise would probably do a lot of merch.
Yeah. A lot of sales.

Speaker 1 All right, PFT, your hot seat cool throne?

Speaker 5 Well, Hank stole my hot seat with the AI thing. What an asshole.
So I'm just going to say hot seat the PGA tour. Ooh.

Speaker 5 Because Tiger Woods says that he's going to come back and play one event per month next year. Love it.
The Tigers back in the news. I hope he does.
I hope he does. That'd be the cool throne.

Speaker 5 What's that, Hank?

Speaker 6 Wouldn't the PGA be the best?

Speaker 5 No, because Tiger's going to beat all of them.

Speaker 1 But the Tor will be thrilled.

Speaker 11 The hot seats are the other players.

Speaker 1 The other players. Thank you, Jay.

Speaker 5 That's what he meant. Yeah, sorry, that was too many.

Speaker 1 Follow along, Hank. For Hank's.

Speaker 1 You see a virus in your brain? You said the PGA Tour.

Speaker 6 The PGA Tour is thrilled by the brain.

Speaker 11 PGA Tour rosters on the hot seats.

Speaker 1 Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 5 Hank, can you cut off Hank's mic, please?

Speaker 1 You got a virus in your brain.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Max.

Speaker 5 My cool throne is Darren Ravel.

Speaker 1 Oh. Because Darren Revelle left the Action Network.

Speaker 5 So now that he's left or fired? Don't know. Okay.
Ambiguous. Now that he's gone, now he can do fun stuff like come on part of my take, which is great.

Speaker 11 He's going back to sports business full-time.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 5 So he's going to be at another competitor? Damn it. Damn it.
So we can't have him on the show. Fuck.
I don't know where he's going.

Speaker 5 I was hoping that Darren would be able to come on the show now that he no longer worked at the Action Network. Well, Jake just said he's not.

Speaker 1 Sports business isn't a do you want me to correct?

Speaker 6 Yeah, correct. Sports business isn't a place.

Speaker 1 Okay, so where's

Speaker 1 that?

Speaker 1 Well, for Darren, it is.

Speaker 5 He will be working at. It's like Narnia.

Speaker 1 Most likely. He just walks in and he just looks through, and there's waterfalls, and there's prices on people wearing Ray-bands.
And

Speaker 1 how much did they get for wearing Pumas instead of Nikes?

Speaker 5 There's a Beckett's MLK Jr. catalog.

Speaker 1 That is a place for him.

Speaker 5 Yeah. But

Speaker 5 thank you for destroying the joke, Hank. I appreciate that.
We're just saying that Ravel will not be able to come on part of my take, but that's all right.

Speaker 6 We've had this debate for years.

Speaker 6 I think one time.

Speaker 1 I know, I just don't like him.

Speaker 1 That'd be great.

Speaker 1 I like him now.

Speaker 11 He gave me this job, kind of. His existence.

Speaker 1 Darren Revelle can come on this show

Speaker 1 if he honestly answers all questions about Northwestern and Pat Fitzgerald.

Speaker 5 And I want three pieces of his African-American memorabilia. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That would be donating to him. To a museum.

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 1 You want over three.

Speaker 5 Over three. Three plus.
And he's going to a museum, Darren.

Speaker 1 That's funny. On this day of all days, call me racist.

Speaker 5 If he comes on the show, I just want to have the Zapruder film on a TV above me.

Speaker 1 He did have a little bit of, he had a little bit of self-awareness when he did tweet. Yeah, so he gets points for that.
But yeah, Ravel, if you want to answer all questions about Pat Fitzgerald

Speaker 1 and over three pieces of memorabilia to PFT.

Speaker 11 And you guys have to pledge that you're not going to prank him like last time.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. PFT totally pranked him by doing the shake my hand and then and then no, when you got

Speaker 1 downloaded him up, right? Yeah, no, he did download too slow, and Darren's like, I don't like what I was saying when he called in and you hung up on him. Esportsmen, we used to call him.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah, esportsmen. I did that.
Yeah, that's multiple times.

Speaker 11 You're like, with Darren, what's up? And he started talking. You're like, sorry, loser.

Speaker 1 And you hung up on him right now.

Speaker 5 The entire interview is going to be a prank.

Speaker 1 Should we call him right now? Yeah, let's see if I call him. Let's ask him where his next place is.
Let's see if he's going to be. And I'm just going to hang up on him.

Speaker 1 Hello. Hey, Darren, it's Big Cat from Pardon My Take.
We were wondering if you had any comment about your next move in sports business. Is this being taped? This is being taped.

Speaker 1 I hung up.

Speaker 1 That was mean.

Speaker 1 That was mean.

Speaker 1 That was so mean.

Speaker 1 Remembering his comment was going to be.

Speaker 5 You remember when he tried to fight me at Rough and Rowdy and he wanted like $3 million?

Speaker 5 I'd fight him for free for the record.

Speaker 1 I didn't like that. What?

Speaker 7 I just, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think it was mean. Hanging up on him?

Speaker 5 Yeah. Jake, riddle me this, riddle me that.
What is meaner? Hanging up on Darren Revelle before we just brutally make fun of him or keeping him on the line and making fun of him?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Okay.
All right. My hot seat is the Blackhawks because, one, Patrick Kane is a Red Wing, which is disgusting to see, even though I love Patrick Kane forever.
And two,

Speaker 1 the Blackhawks somehow, they always get into these situations where something happens and then rumors start, and they're never just forthright about it.

Speaker 1 But Corey Perry has been released, and there's some rumors

Speaker 1 going around the internet.

Speaker 1 Who knows what happened? But I'll just say this. The Blackhawks should do a better job of making sure they protect Connor Bedard at all costs.
And he's your franchise player.

Speaker 1 Maybe just do a press conference and explain what happened.

Speaker 5 Yeah, or at least give a security detail to his mom.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I think this is going to be really bad for Bedard because every other player in the league,

Speaker 5 every other fan in the league, when Bedard visits town now has some raw meat. Yeah.

Speaker 5 They've got a lot of ammo.

Speaker 1 Like, how do you fuck this up? This is your fucking franchise guy.

Speaker 1 It's your franchise guy.

Speaker 5 If you're scouting a franchise guy, you want to make sure that his mom is not attractive.

Speaker 1 I don't like the rumors that you're starting. I'm not starting a rumor.
Corey Perry did something bad. It had nothing to do with anything else.
That's my official statement. Put it out.

Speaker 1 He did something. He didn't.

Speaker 1 Here's my official statement. Corey Perry did something bad.
It had nothing to do with anything else. Protect Connor Bernard at all costs.

Speaker 1 But that is not related to the Corey Perry thing.

Speaker 5 That's my official statement. That's fair.

Speaker 1 All right, my cool throne is

Speaker 1 men, because I similar to the sunscreen thing, I don't know if you guys saw this, but there was a viral tweet that went around the internet.

Speaker 1 This woman tweeted, to me, a physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually healthy man does the following. So I don't know if we can check off the list, see if we're there.
Doesn't vape.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for the last three days. Okay.

Speaker 1 Doesn't smoke weed.

Speaker 5 Doesn't get vaxed.

Speaker 1 Doesn't watch porn. Lifts weights weekly.
Yeah. Prioritizes sleep.
No. Yes.

Speaker 1 Eats lots of steak and eggs. Yeah.
Yeah. Doesn't drink tap water.

Speaker 5 I don't. I drink body armor.

Speaker 1 Doesn't use AirPods. I don't.

Speaker 5 I don't either.

Speaker 1 Would choose a podcast over music. Yeah.
Yeah. That's it.
Every day, Hank, part of my take. You work at a podcast, Hank.
You work at a podcast factory.

Speaker 6 You have to listen to other ones. That's That's what we do.

Speaker 1 We come in here and we turn on the engines and we make podcasts. Right, but then I'm not going to.

Speaker 6 You listen to competitors? I don't want to give them downloads.

Speaker 1 No, we listen to our own show. We self-scout.
We should do a bye week next year.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We self-scout.

Speaker 1 Of course, Hank says, yeah. Yeah, of course, Hank says, yeah.
We did a bye week and we self-scouted and did all, we had new plays and everything. Cooks with butter, G, Tallow, and Evo.
Butter.

Speaker 1 Butter, yes.

Speaker 5 Extra virgin olive oil. Is that the last one? Sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 5 Everybody does.

Speaker 1 Doesn't eat and drink out of plastic. Oh, no.
Uses fluoride-free toothpaste. Who cares?

Speaker 5 No, that shit doesn't work.

Speaker 1 I thought fluoride was good for you.

Speaker 5 It's good for your teeth. Yeah, it's good.
But that's probably also a tap water thing.

Speaker 1 Doesn't wear aluminum deodorant. Wears 100% cotton underwear.
Doesn't trust the government. Doesn't blackout every weekend.
Nope. Nope, not anymore.
Utilizes cold plunging in the sauna.

Speaker 1 Gets daily sunlight and grounding. Knows birth control is poison.
Uses natural remedies when sick.

Speaker 1 Has some type of daily spiritual practice, isn't stuck in a soul-sucking nine-to-five, has hobbies and passions in his life.

Speaker 5 I'm betting like 40% on those.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's pretty good. Yeah, so that's the ideal man.

Speaker 5 Is grounding like what Liver King taught us, where you just walk outside barefoot?

Speaker 1 I think it's when you're

Speaker 1 touching an electrical pole. You need to make sure

Speaker 1 you don't use both hands.

Speaker 6 That's what Justin Fields did.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 You want to do that, buddy?

Speaker 1 Matt Jones is a grounding king.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's so hard for referees to even tell when he's intentionally grounding because it looks like every other pass.

Speaker 5 They have to get up and have a little discussion. Like, was that one of those passes from Mac Jones that he was trying to throw to somebody?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to defend him anymore, so these comments don't hurt me.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay, fine.
We're tanking, so he's great.

Speaker 1 Okay, fine. Just don't know that you can't make jokes like that when you're using.
There's a reference. Yeah, no, no.

Speaker 1 it was a joke topical it was topical it was topical they did play monday night football okay jake your hot seat cool thrown yeah it's funny you guys were just talking about this because my hot seat is bill belichek oh uh rex ryan on get up on espn he went off oh no on belichek oh wait

Speaker 11 this is new this is new this is new yeah we thought this was the alex smith thing no no no okay all right this is from yesterday yep uh he said can i just say this bill belich please stop just name your dang starter it doesn't matter they both stink like we care about your team.

Speaker 11 Your team stinks.

Speaker 1 Oh, fighting words for a guy.

Speaker 1 Actually, actually accurate. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 11 And this is Greeny wasn't there. He has COVID.
Hope he gets well soon. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 So, yeah. Rex Ryan.
People still.

Speaker 5 Greeny. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Greeny.

Speaker 1 People are still getting COVID.

Speaker 6 I can see Tommy Smokes.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I can see Jake.

Speaker 1 Do they go and test?

Speaker 5 Pulling some cocoa.

Speaker 1 S. I don't know.
That's news to me. But yeah.
Do you think there's someone who's living in

Speaker 1 New York City right now that has still still not gone out

Speaker 5 howard stern no everyone's gone out no howard stern doesn't i think he like he makes the the uh grubhub guy just like drop it at his door and then walk down the hallway to take a picture of it

Speaker 11 okay yeah uh my cool throne is uh

Speaker 1 my cool throne pop-tarts pop-tarts the pop-tarts bowl is happening and they announced that the mascot is going to be edible so the winning team can eat part of the mascot after they win yes the pop-tarts this rules.

Speaker 1 They should do that with Bloopy.

Speaker 11 It's the second best bowl this season behind the Barstalls Arizona.

Speaker 1 He'd probably taste delicious. Bloopy would fat.

Speaker 5 He would be so good.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 5 He looks like he's fried. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He just fucking put a little salt on him.

Speaker 1 He actually already has a bunch of salt after

Speaker 1 the Philly made him cry. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Bloopy would look great just on a Waffle House menu. Yeah.
He looks so good.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'd like to spit roast him.

Speaker 1 I'd broil him. Oh.

Speaker 5 I mean, sous video.

Speaker 1 Watch him scream

Speaker 1 in a boiling water. You know what I'd do?

Speaker 5 I'd make him into a s'more.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 5 Just put a big stick right up his ass out of his mouth

Speaker 5 and then hold him over an open fire.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, he screamed.
And I like Bloopy. Billy was mean to me.
I like Bloopy.

Speaker 5 I just think that he would be very tasty. I do not like it.
I just want to eat him.

Speaker 1 No. Max and I.
Look, see, Max, we're back together finally. Love that, sweetheart.
One thing about me and Max, we don't like Bloopy. Fuck that man.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Time for our interview with Kirk Herbsh.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend. It is Kirk Herb Street.
We're going to talk some college football. You obviously see him every Saturday morning, college game day.

Speaker 1 You see him calling the biggest game every Saturday night. You also see him on Thursday night football calling NFL.
So maybe we'll mix in a little NFL here. But Herbie,

Speaker 1 let's start big picture. This is maybe the most exciting championship weekend we've had because we have four teams that are undefeated.
I don't think that's ever happened this late in the season.

Speaker 1 Let's just dive right into the college football playoff and what you see in terms of the pass every team has.

Speaker 1 If everyone holds serve, let's say the favorites win, so Oregon beats Washington. I'd say the committee probably has it easy that they can just put in all four or three undefeated in Oregon, correct?

Speaker 1 Florida State?

Speaker 12 I think they will.

Speaker 12 I think the one thing we have to consider, and I like Florida State. I just called their game the other night, but the loss of Jordan Travis to me is pretty significant.

Speaker 12 I think that we have to be careful.

Speaker 12 We live in an era where it's like, okay, they're undefeated, so they're in because they're in a power five. I just, I don't do that.

Speaker 12 I'm really big on the best four teams. Now, it's subjective, like who you guys think, who I think, who other people think.

Speaker 12 I don't have a dog in a fight here. If Oregon wins and they're a one-loss team and they beat Washington on Friday night, I can't not put Oregon in.
I think they're one of the best teams.

Speaker 12 I think they have been all year.

Speaker 12 If Georgia wins, if Michigan wins, if Florida State wins, if Oregon wins, if Texas wins, we got a serious dilemma.

Speaker 12 That committee, no matter what they do is wrong. No matter who they put in, they're going to be wrong.
But I just don't, I'm not a big fan.

Speaker 12 If you think Florida State's one of the best teams with Tate Roddemaker, then that's no problem. But I'm just not big on they're undefeated.
So we have to put them in.

Speaker 12 If you think they're still one of the best for, then let's put them in.

Speaker 12 Not because they're unbeaten.

Speaker 5 I was thinking about this because we talked about Florida State on the show a couple of days ago, and we said it's the right thing to do to put Florida State in.

Speaker 5 You can't say, well, they're worse because they have a different quarterback. So hypothetically, they wouldn't be as big of a threat.

Speaker 5 But then it occurred to me, and I still think it would be the right thing to do to put Florida State in.

Speaker 5 But we're talking about college football here, and we're talking about some pretty large media conglomerates that are thinking about ratings as well.

Speaker 5 And if you think that they're going to do the right thing over putting in a bigger brand name with a more, I guess, well, Florida State would be a big brand name,

Speaker 5 but minus their starting quarterback, that's a big deal for ratings. It seems to me like the more I think about it, the more they would go towards Texas just simply for the ratings factor.

Speaker 5 I'm putting on my college football playoff rigged hat and saying

Speaker 5 they do want ratings. They're trying to make money.
So I think that that's a fair point to make too.

Speaker 12 I can fix that for you because I've been calling all these games since it started.

Speaker 12 I call it one of the semifinal games and I call the national championship.

Speaker 12 I have all the whole time we've done this. And I can assure you.
that ESPN is not. I can promise you, I'm not like defending ESPN.
I can promise you, if you look at the ratings, that doesn't hold up.

Speaker 12 If we were doing it, if ESPN was involved on ratings, it would be Georgia and Michigan. Forget, you know, if Alabama loses, it's fine.
Put them in.

Speaker 1 Ohio State. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Ohio State. That's what they would do.

Speaker 12 This is more of the committee isolated wherever they are in Texas trying to figure out, listen, the ratings are okay. They're not.
NFL ratings. They're good.

Speaker 12 But there's really not much of a bump when you put in these big brands versus not. It's really not even, that's more of a conspiracy theory on Twitter than it is reality.

Speaker 12 I promise you, it's not a reality thing at all. ESPN's not on the phone saying, we really need Georgia.
Like it's just, it's not. It's not real.

Speaker 12 So you guys can think that, but I can promise you it's not. What's real is

Speaker 12 in calling all these games. Now, last year we had Ohio State, Georgia, we had TCU, Michigan.
Those games were great. They came down to the wire.
You know what the, I said this to Pat the other day.

Speaker 12 You know what the average margin of victory has been since 2014 when this thing started? Yeah, it's been a long time.

Speaker 1 The playoffs have sucked. The playoffs have sucked.

Speaker 12 The average margin of victory has been 19. So as a guy who calls these games, I don't want to do the right thing.

Speaker 12 If you talk to Bill Hancock, and we had lots of meetings about this, they're not supposed to do the right thing.

Speaker 12 They're supposed to, their job is to put the best four teams. in the playoff.
Now, again, it's subjective. Who you think and I think are the best for are different, and that's fine.

Speaker 12 But that's what that group is supposed to do. Not what do we think about ratings? That's bullshit.
Put the fucking best four teams in the game.

Speaker 1 That's at the end of the day, that's it. Okay, okay.
I agree with you. I want to see the best four teams, but can we at least agree that the games should matter?

Speaker 1 And that's really what it comes down to. Florida state.

Speaker 1 Florida State being an undefeated team. And then the Texas-Alabama problem that people are throwing out there that I listen, a lot of this stuff is probably going to get figured out.

Speaker 1 Like, we spend a lot of time hand-wringing all this stuff, and then we'll probably wake up on Sunday morning, and Georgia would have won, and Michigan won, and maybe Florida State wins, maybe Oregon or Washington.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's all four undefeated teams. It's not even an issue.
But I really do believe that the games have to matter. So if it's a Texas-Alabama issue, the game head-to-head has to matter.

Speaker 1 And that has to be like, otherwise, what's the point of playing the season?

Speaker 12 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 12 there's so many what-ifs. ifs i mean i don't know when you guys are going to air this i don't know you know but if if if alabama wins

Speaker 12 if alabama it's a problem for the committee it's a problem holy cow and we're almost just assuming georgia is going to win that's still nick sabin with a quarterback and jalen milrow who can make plays with his feet i mean you never know right and it's still alabama defense i mean and this is not georgia over the last two years where they have like three or four or five first rounders all over the field they're a great team but it's not so so that game could be competitive.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 12 And if Alabama were to win,

Speaker 12 I don't even, I can't even imagine where we are because just, let's just say that. If Alabama wins and Michigan wins and Oregon or Washington wins and Florida State wins and Texas wins.

Speaker 12 And all those things are not like pie in the sky. Like that, those things are probably pretty practical, everything else I just said.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 What the hell do you do? Let's just sit and work it out. Michigan is a lock.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Right. Pac-12 is a lock.

Speaker 12 Pac-12 should be.

Speaker 1 If Oregon wins, they're sitting there with one loss. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
But yeah, you're right. You're right.
So Pac-12 may be a question mark.

Speaker 1 Florida State, I would assume, would be a lock.

Speaker 12 I think Florida State would be a lock.

Speaker 12 So then we've got two spots. And you got Texas who beat Alabama sitting there as big pack Big 12 champs.
And Alabama just beat Georgia.

Speaker 1 It's a problem.

Speaker 12 It's really hard not to put Texas in.

Speaker 5 Yeah, does Texas' win over Alabama get better because Alabama then beat Georgia? Yeah, I would think.

Speaker 12 I mean, you could make the argument it was the best win of the season.

Speaker 1 Right. You know what's unfortunate in this scenario, if Oregon beats Washington, I think that they would keep Oregon out.

Speaker 1 And it would be Texas and Alabama because here's the only thing, and I know you said conspiracy theory, all this stuff, but

Speaker 1 who's going to complain about Oregon being out? The Pac-12 doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 1 Like, it's the last chance.

Speaker 1 And unfortunately, that would, I think Oregon's one of the top best four teams, but I think that that would probably be what they would do because I just can't fathom in no SEC Final Four.

Speaker 12 You know what's really, really sad here is, and doing this and living this every minute of every day, Oregon is in the best conference in the country, like top to bottom.

Speaker 12 And I know if you look at their strength of schedule, maybe it's not, you know, maybe it doesn't show that.

Speaker 12 But if you really have watched uh the pac-12 this year it's there aren't a lot of easy wins yeah in that conference and and and what you're saying i mean you imagine keeping nicks safe in alabama out if they beat georgia no no i think like i would make a case again going back to what we originally said it's supposed to be the best four teams How can you not say Georgia is one of the best four teams, even if they lose to Alabama?

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 5 It would just be so weird to see a team coming off a loss like that against another team that should be in there also getting in. Like, what are you going to do? Run it back?

Speaker 5 Is it gonna be a rematch yeah

Speaker 1 it's i i there's whatever if alabama wins the committee might just have to i mean they they they're dead they need florida state to lose under that circumstance very much hopefully

Speaker 1 they need they need georgia michigan and georgia win michigan to win and and louisville to win and um and then they can figure it out but yeah it's it's it's fascinating because it really is the the craziest uh championship saturday i can remember remember.

Speaker 1 All right, so other things. You're an Ohio State guy.
The game was phenomenal on Saturday, Michigan, Ohio State.

Speaker 1 Tell us how you're feeling about Ryan Day and what you think Buckeye fans are thinking going forward because Ryan Day has a phenomenal coach.

Speaker 1 I think it's something like 39-0 against Big Ten teams, not named Michigan.

Speaker 1 I think he's 40-3 overall in the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 Does Ryan Day have a Michigan problem? Because it felt like going into this game,

Speaker 1 they built their team back up to be as tough as Michigan. The last two years, Michigan was tougher.
This year, Ohio State had some nastiness to him. They had some shit to him.

Speaker 1 But Ryan Day had one or two chances in that game where he got a little conservative and he didn't coach.

Speaker 1 He didn't have the wrinkles that you need to win that type of game and was saying, like, we'll just go out there and we'll play our game and hope we win.

Speaker 1 Do you think he has a problem going forward with Michigan and the fan base?

Speaker 12 I think there's two things that can be true here. I think number one,

Speaker 12 I would, me personally, I wouldn't even consider even talking about firing Ryan Day. Like I wouldn't.
Number two, he definitely has a Michigan problem.

Speaker 12 So I think there's both of those things can be true.

Speaker 12 This game is cyclical. The pressure.

Speaker 12 the way teams get in the other team's head. Ohio State lived in Michigan's head for a number of years with Tressel and Urban Meyer.

Speaker 12 And Jim Harbaugh, to his credit, at one point, they were ready to fire him. And now that he's completely turned this thing around.
And I think now there is,

Speaker 12 I would say this, like if I were Ryan Day and I were looking at, okay, we put everything into this, we got to get tougher.

Speaker 12 I've always felt that when Ohio State is tougher, that the recruiting that they have done from the end of the urban Meyer era to now, they recruit nationally.

Speaker 12 They go to Florida, they go to Georgia, they go to North Carolina, they go to Texas, they go to California. If you look at the Ohio State roster, they're not a ton of Ohio guys.

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 12 I would suggest maybe

Speaker 12 looking at that aspect of the roster and finding more Ohio guys that qualify to be on the Ohio State roster to make them appreciate what this game really means. Because you can put slogans up.

Speaker 12 Yep, you can do a fourth quarter drill. This is the Michigan drill.
You can do all the things. You can have a clock up in the Woody Hayes facility.
Do all those things.

Speaker 12 But the reality is, when we watch the game, it feels like the Michigan team plays as a group where they play like with a chip on their shoulder and they're mad at the world and they play with like something to prove.

Speaker 12 And in the last three years, that has been more than what Ohio State has brought to the table in that game.

Speaker 1 It's such a great point because I always have thought that one of the greatest things that Urban Meyer did and didn't get enough credit for was he made a bunch of kids, 18-year-olds from Florida and California and Texas, hate Michigan.

Speaker 1 Like he made it so that that team hated Michigan. Those kids have no reason to have that type of hate for a rival in the Midwest when they're from Florida, California.

Speaker 1 But he had that instilled in that team and they wanted to pulverize him every time they played in November.

Speaker 12 100%. 100%.
And I feel like right now, Ohio State has great players and they have a great culture.

Speaker 12 But when it comes to that game, because it's become a psychological aspect of the game, I still think Michigan has a bunch of guys that are great players, but maybe not quite as recruited at the level of Ohio State.

Speaker 12 And they got a chip on their shoulder to prove that they are collectively better than the Marvin Harrison Jr.s and the, you know, Mecca Abuka and all the great individual superstars that Ohio State has.

Speaker 12 They have a chip on their shoulder to show Ohio State, we have a better culture. We're better than you.
And right now, that united front

Speaker 12 is more powerful than what Ohio State has. So, and even with that being said, they had the ball late.
They had a chance. They moved the ball into Michigan territory.

Speaker 12 And you got to give Michigan all the credit in the world. They made the plays that they had to to win the game.

Speaker 5 I feel like enough losses in a row, you're going to start to get that hate build up naturally.

Speaker 1 You're going to start to have a chip on that shoulder.

Speaker 5 It's going to be four or five years, and maybe naturally that'll happen, and they'll be like, Yeah, I hate those guys.

Speaker 5 Or you could just like stage a fake kidnapping of Brutus and be like, Michigan did it. Let's go get these sons of bitches back.
That's what I would do as a head coach personally.

Speaker 5 I think it was the first quarter of the game, the touchdown.

Speaker 5 Great throw, tremendous throw between two Ohio State Buckeye defenders.

Speaker 5 Was it a touchdown? Because I feel like this is going going to be a play that we're going to argue about for the next 20 years, which I love. I love that about college football fan bases.

Speaker 5 But in your opinion, touchdown or turnover?

Speaker 12 Tough one there. Let's just say the defensive back wasn't there and he caught the ball the way he did.
And then as he came to the ground, the ball, instead of going into an Ohio State defender's arms,

Speaker 12 it went onto the ground.

Speaker 12 I think they probably would have called that incomplete.

Speaker 12 So with that being said,

Speaker 12 it's hard. I mean, it's very easy to sit there and just say, well, you're an Ohio State guy.
I really honestly, I don't care. I mean, if it's a touchdown, it's a touchdown.
If it's not, it's not.

Speaker 12 But I just think,

Speaker 12 yeah, it was a critical moment in the game, but they reviewed it. I can't remember.
Did they say confirmed or they say stands?

Speaker 1 I think they called it a touchdown.

Speaker 5 It was called a touchdown on the field. I think if it had been called incomplete on the field, or if it had been called an interstate on the field.
No, I'm saying

Speaker 12 on the replay, did they say confirmed or did they say

Speaker 12 call a staying whatever they i just think if the the defensive back isn't there because we're all learning over these last four or five years going back to des bryant like you got to complete the process of the catch which means when you're in the end zone the ball cannot squirt and then fall out so that's the only thing that i would have looked at there um to to maybe say that it would have been uh in whoever it ended up in whoever's arms, I think the Ohio State player took it away from him.

Speaker 12 You could easily have said it could have been a turnover there that Ohio State would have had a touchback. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. It's going to be, it's just going to be fun because you can always go back and point at that and be like, we got ref screwed us, which is a very valuable piece of copium to have if you're a fan.

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Speaker 5 I know that you're a Heisman voter.

Speaker 5 So Big Cat and I are undecided about who we're going to be

Speaker 1 going to be voting for for our hypothetical Heisman vote.

Speaker 5 So we'll just go off whoever you think should win the Heisman Trophy this year. So whatever you say, we're going to blindly follow that.
Who do you have winning the Heisman Trophy?

Speaker 12 Well, I have Jaden Daniels. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 yeah, you're right. That's weird.
I took a future on him a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 5 Me too. It was.

Speaker 1 We got a five and a half to one.

Speaker 1 We were very,

Speaker 1 full disclosure to our audience, we said, hey, we're going to bet this and we're also going to just become PR team for Jaden Daniels.

Speaker 5 But I didn't know that Herbie had

Speaker 5 a Heisman trophy.

Speaker 1 You know ball. I mean, you watch more football than anybody.

Speaker 12 Listen, listen, he has been by far, like, when you think of a Heisman winner and you watch his plays, that's the guy you think of. With that being said, I'm with you guys.
I am going to hold my vote.

Speaker 12 I'm going to watch Bo Nicks against Washington and Pennix that game.

Speaker 12 if bonix goes off i you know you could maybe be in jeopardy there and the other thing that's been wild card is some of these older voters you got voter there's over a thousand guys that vote on this thing some people have already voted right and the fact that lsu has three losses there are people that are like i will not vote for a person that has yeah they're just it's like an old school way of voting but there are people that won't vote for a guy that had three losses how often do you go back and look at the heisman it almost always is a quarterback or a superstar of a team that's in the top three or four of the country.

Speaker 12 It's just like, who's the MVP of that team? Bo Nicks. There you go.

Speaker 1 Like, it's normally that.

Speaker 12 But in my opinion, it should go to the most dynamic playmaker. And that player has been Jaden Daniels up to this point.

Speaker 12 Bo Nicks has a chance Friday in the Pac-12 Championship, and we'll see what he does.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the best.

Speaker 1 case you could make is is Lamar Jackson's 2016 team because they they had they had three losses as well.

Speaker 1 And he was phenomenal and he was the best player in college football.

Speaker 1 I think that would be the one because listen, when you watch all the games, I know that LSU is not going to be in the college football playoff. They're not in the SEC championship.

Speaker 1 Their defense gave up 55 points to Ole Miss.

Speaker 1 That can't be held against Jaden Daniels. He has been so phenomenal.
And I do like to do the game of like if you if you flopped players like if Bo Nix was on LSU, how many wins

Speaker 1 would they have three, four losses if Jaden Daniels is on Oregon? I don't know. I just think Jaden Daniels has shouldn't get dinged for his defense being historically bad.

Speaker 12 Yeah, and I'm glad you brought up Lamar Jackson because that is an example, but it's also an outlier. I mean, if you look in the last 20 years,

Speaker 12 but it does set a precedent to show you that it's happened in the past, and maybe people will look at that.

Speaker 12 Because the guy's,

Speaker 12 he's like one of the best running backs in the country, and he's playing quarterback. I mean, he's averaging almost eight yards of carry, and he does stuff that's, and he's not just a runner.

Speaker 12 I mean, he's had a big year throwing the football. He's going to be a great NFL player with the way the NFL game is trending to more of almost like a dual threat ability.

Speaker 12 Jaden Daniels is made for this new NFL because he can really throw the football well. So I think he's a dynamic guy.
He's had Heisman moments all year.

Speaker 12 We'll see. I think it'll be a fascinating race, though, between those two.

Speaker 1 All right. So hypothetical, if you were calling the Iron Bull on Saturday, what would your

Speaker 1 call have been after Auburn decided to rush two and put a QB spy on Jalen Milro on a fourth and 31? Because that was one of the craziest decisions I've ever seen in terms of defensive calling

Speaker 1 plays at the end of a game.

Speaker 12 Well, there's a couple things. I don't know if I would have recovered from the play before that.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 I was like, what the hell just happened? He went three or four yards past the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 1 They tried to go back.

Speaker 1 Then he came back and then he threw it.

Speaker 12 And I'm like, what is what's happening?

Speaker 1 He had done it a couple of times that game. He did one and another one where he was like five yards past and he threw it.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I

Speaker 12 but with everything at stake, he had the ball that snapped over his head, then he crosses the line. You're thinking,

Speaker 12 Alabama is just doomed.

Speaker 12 They're just not going to win this game. So that, that to me,

Speaker 12 that's what made the moment just like, what the hell just happened? What is it about the Iron Bowl that gives us these moments? You know, that's what I think blew everybody away was, you know, Tua had

Speaker 12 the national championship throw, but plays leading up to that, it was like, oh, boy, they're going to lose.

Speaker 12 And then he hits Devontae Smith and you're like, oh, my gosh, one of those great moments for Alabama. Yeah, I would have probably lost it the way Fowler and I did when we were watching.
I mean,

Speaker 12 we were literally, we're 30 seconds from going on air. And we have a, like a quad box.

Speaker 12 So while you're calling games, I'm watching games as I'm calling a game. So, you know, we, there's other games going on.
I want to see what's going on in those games, you know, when we go to a break.

Speaker 12 So we have our quad box still with the earlier games, the 330 games. So I'm like hitting Fowler, showing him like the replay of Milro going across the line and bringing it back.

Speaker 12 And he's like, and the producer's like, guys, we got to, we got to get ready. And he's like, all right, watch the last play.
And then there's a timeout.

Speaker 12 I'm like, he's like, he's like, Herbie, we're like a minute away. I got, dude, we got to watch this play.
So we're watching it. And then the play happened.

Speaker 12 And I was, I mean, we just like, you guys, I don't know where you were. You probably lost your minds.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was

Speaker 1 the best part about that play is I think I can confidently say for the rest of my life, that was the worst touchdown game-winning drive of all time.

Speaker 1 Because Alabama was like so bad in that entire time, they got the ball. They got the muff punt.
Like they, they were gifted the field position.

Speaker 1 It was, they did everything they could to not win the game, and then they won the game.

Speaker 12 But to answer your question, I think

Speaker 12 it's,

Speaker 12 and again, it, I guess on paper, it makes sense why you drop everybody and you take all the receivers away.

Speaker 12 But what Milro did do a good job of, if you go back and look at the kind of that Sky Cam view, is they had receivers down the middle.

Speaker 12 they were all doubled and he found the the matchup or at least it was a one-on-one i don't know who the defensive back was i think it was number maybe number four

Speaker 12 i you just you feel so bad for that guy because in that in that rivalry as much as milro and alabama will forever be remembered that poor guy I don't know if he's going to go into the portal.

Speaker 12 I don't know what he's, but their fans are relentless. And he just, it's like he couldn't, he didn't find the ball.
He never saw the football thrown. And then he loses the receiver.

Speaker 12 And by the time he reacted, the guy, of course, Bond goes up and makes that play. But

Speaker 12 yeah, one of the worst game-winning drives for him

Speaker 1 ever

Speaker 1 seen.

Speaker 5 I think you should be allowed to advance a buff punt.

Speaker 5 I'm always confused about that. And every time a player, you know, they know the rules on special teams, they get it.
And they always, you know, they take off towards the end zone.

Speaker 5 It seems to me that that's a dumb rule. You should be allowed to take it as far as you can get it before you get tackled.

Speaker 5 Credit to Milro. He also looked off the defense, too.
So he was like, his head was pointing at the center of the

Speaker 1 right a little bit.

Speaker 12 He was here, and then I think he was seeing those double teams, and then at the last second, he saw that, and he just basically just threw up a prayer.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think Auburn would have been better if they had rushed zero players than if they had rushed two.

Speaker 1 It wouldn't at least confuse them.

Speaker 5 And then you just put everybody back in the end zone.

Speaker 12 You're probably, actually, you're probably right.

Speaker 12 That way you double everybody yeah the qb spy it's like what is the qb spy doing there that person might as well not be on the field at all right you're right because he's not going to take off and run obviously so yeah and or just bring pressure right yeah bring five yeah bring five yeah make him force him to get the ball out fast bring five or six um and and i know it's risky because maybe you're leaving some man coverage out there then people would say what the hell are you doing blitzing so you know if if you give one up you're always going to be wrong.

Speaker 12 You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I noticed that you have a special guest that walked by. Can we say hi to Ben? Ben, the dog, is right next to you.
Ben is the star of the show.

Speaker 1 Ben's the most famous dog in the world right now.

Speaker 5 He's super famous. He's the best.
He's such a good dog that he even went up to Max, who hates dogs and is terrified of dogs. Hey, Ben, how's it going, good boy?

Speaker 1 Look at him. He's just chilling.
Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy.
He's just hanging.

Speaker 12 He just hangs out in the chair right there. And then I got

Speaker 12 this guy. That's Mitch.

Speaker 1 Oh, Mitch.

Speaker 5 Is Mitch jealous? Because I feel like Mitch doesn't get any shine at all.

Speaker 12 And then that's Theo down there.

Speaker 1 Oh, Theo. Now, Herbie, be honest with me because you take Ben with you now, and I saw him on the field before the game, Florida, Florida State.
How many fields has he pissed on?

Speaker 12 He, you know, what? I'm very, I'm very, very calculated with that. Um, I, I know his pattern, okay, the way you know, the way you know your infants, you know, a toddler's pattern.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 12 you know, I feed him around 7:30.

Speaker 12 He takes care of business post-breakfast. So then we're good till right around noon, noon, one-ish, feed him again around two.

Speaker 12 And then when we've been on the road, I've always gone outside the stadium, usually around like 5.30. Okay.

Speaker 12 Take care of the second round. And then he's good until post-game.

Speaker 1 You have that answer down, Pat. It's clear.
He definitely pisses on the field. We know that.
Now, here's the wild card.

Speaker 12 Here's the wild card. last week at the swamp i i didn't have a time

Speaker 12 to get that second round in

Speaker 12 so i had i took him out on the field with me and i i the florida social media people were all over ben not me all over him and a trainer came by and i was like i had him a little more on the leash than normal because i didn't want him to get do what you're describing.

Speaker 12 So I said, hey, man, can I get a bag? I said, if he drops a deuce here

Speaker 1 on the swamp, it's going to be everywhere.

Speaker 12 I got to pick it up. I don't want, because I was terrified that he was going to do that right on the 40-yard line, right by the gator

Speaker 12 in midfield. I thought he might do it, but we got out of there unscathed.
And he took care of it at the FBO after the game.

Speaker 5 You just almost have to be waiting to catch that thing in the air.

Speaker 1 Like, don't let it hit the ground, get right underneath him.

Speaker 5 I met your guy, Ryan, when I was in Harrisonburg.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Ryan's been great.

Speaker 5 We talked about Ben's schedule. He said there's been some times where he's been outside with Ben before the games for about 30 minutes, just walking him back and forth across the same strip of grass.

Speaker 5 Like, hey, man, please just take a piss so I can just get you on this field right now.

Speaker 12 Yeah. And since we've been on the road, way more than I even recognized before,

Speaker 12 he's almost gotten to the point where he goes on command. You know, like I tell him, you know, like if you get to a certain piece of grass,

Speaker 12 and again, it's timed up right. Everything is

Speaker 12 like very much a cycle. And then, you know, game day, he'll come out like a JMU.
He came out, basically kind of said hi to the crowd. The crowd was massive and loud.

Speaker 12 And then Brian takes him back in and into the

Speaker 12 production room and just kind of hangs out.

Speaker 12 And then I take him, it's been great to take him on the field pregame. I'll take him out there and players are kicking.

Speaker 12 You know, it's when the specialists are out there, the teams are just coming out. The players come over, full uniform.
They're petting him.

Speaker 12 And then he'll go back to the bus during the beginning of the game. And then he'll come into the booth, usually around around halftime, and just hangs out in the booth right around our feet.

Speaker 12 Fowler's been cool about it, and then

Speaker 12 we head out right after the game. But yeah,

Speaker 12 he's been awesome. He's great at the hotels.
He's spoiled Rotten, really.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's the goodest boy. He really is.
He's an awesome, awesome. Me and Big Cat can actually go in command.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you should spoil your dogs.

Speaker 5 Edar and not so much.

Speaker 1 Herbie, I want to ask you this because I've pushed back when people have complained about it.

Speaker 1 There's a sect of college football fans that are bemoaning the fact that we're going to a 12-team playoff because maybe the regular season doesn't matter as much.

Speaker 1 I completely push back on it because I think of some of these games, like even Mizzou, Tennessee, a couple weeks ago. That's an elimination game.
Like all these games matter.

Speaker 1 Oregon State, if they could have caught a win against Washington or Oregon down the stretch, they could have been in.

Speaker 1 You agree that the college football playoff, the 12-team playoff, is going to make the regular season even more fun. And yeah, there'll be some weird wrinkles.

Speaker 1 Like Michigan, Ohio State would be weird, but they're still playing for a one seed and, you know, a home playoff game and a buy.

Speaker 1 But you're, I would assume that you're, you're all in on the 12-team playoff, right?

Speaker 12 Yeah, I like getting more teams in. I think it's more fun, gives more teams a chance.

Speaker 12 A team like Missouri right now, if you put them in, it'd be like, whoa, you sure you want to play Missouri right now? You know, so I think that's. That's good.

Speaker 12 What's what's what's bad specifically for me in the Big Ten is you lose the divisions. Yeah.
So that imagine Ohio State, Michigan this Saturday playing in the Big Ten championship.

Speaker 12 I think that wrinkle to me is going to be odd and going to take some time to get used to. Michigan deserves credit.
They just beat Ohio State.

Speaker 12 They shouldn't have to a week later now go have to play them again, you know, in Indianapolis. So that, that to me, I'm not necessarily a massive fan of.
And I think at the top.

Speaker 12 You know, like Ohio State loses. I think the AP maybe dropped Ohio State, wherever they were

Speaker 12 down to six. So you lose in this case, if that's what the committee has them final at the final ranking, they lose a buy.

Speaker 12 So instead of getting the buy as a top four team, now you're hosting a first round matchup. So

Speaker 12 is that a massive penalty for losing to Michigan with everything on the line this year and losing? And now you're see you next year.

Speaker 12 Now, next year, it's going to be, well, depending, I guess if you lose to them again, would you drop all the way out?

Speaker 1 Would you go from six to 13?

Speaker 12 I don't know. But I do think, I'm just looking at the poll right now.
You got Ole Miss at 11. You got Penn State at 10, Missouri at 9, Oklahoma is there at 12.

Speaker 12 You know, LSU with Jaden Daniels is at 13. Arizona is at 14.
They're another fun team.

Speaker 1 They're really good. Yeah.
Those debates.

Speaker 12 are going to now it's just the argument's just going to slide down to that 11 12 13 14 um debate just like you have i guess with march madness you know when teams argue who should be in and who should be out.

Speaker 12 So there's always going to be arguments. I just,

Speaker 12 I think the regular season can't lose its importance.

Speaker 12 And really, the conference championship, other than the SEC, because I don't know if you guys ever been to that, that is the typically the best atmosphere of the entire year because that region.

Speaker 12 That still matters as much, if not more than the national championship. So like this Saturday, if you guys are free, you should go down to Atlanta and watch Alabama and Georgia in that dome.

Speaker 12 Because if you go to Indy and watch Michigan and Iowa,

Speaker 12 it's just not the same. I'm sure you've been to

Speaker 12 Wisconsin there.

Speaker 1 I have.

Speaker 12 It's a good game, but

Speaker 12 it's just the game. No, it's a little different.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, you're absolutely right.
And listen, it would be hilarious if Iowa beat Michigan. I don't think they can.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Iowa being like in a 12-team playoff, Iowa. you know, obviously that Minnesota game, they got screwed, but like

Speaker 1 Iowa is one of my favorite teams in college football even though they're a rival wisconsin just because it makes people so angry that they keep winning these games the way they're winning them it drives people crazy

Speaker 12 they're like the bears right yeah i mean they're just the way the bears won uh last night is how they win you know they they they win field position they're going to win turnover margin they got a great punter and they're not going to give up a lot of touchdowns and they're going to they're going to their offense is more about let's work the clock yeah not going to score let's just work the clock and maybe we'll score if the defense gives us a short field.

Speaker 12 That's got to be their plan Saturday against J.J. McCarthy.

Speaker 5 I saw him at Wrigley Field when they played against Northwestern, and it was one of the most beautifully painful experiences of my life watching Iowa football.

Speaker 5 If you're an Iowa football fan, your only hope is to just get blind drunk at the games and hope that at the end of the day, your score is higher than theirs.

Speaker 5 Let's play a hypothetical game.

Speaker 1 Take the under.

Speaker 1 That's the point.

Speaker 1 I had their time day plan. They're 10 and 2 to the under, and the average of their over-unders is 34 and a half.
It's insane.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that has to be a new record. It's insane.

Speaker 5 Let's play the hypothetical game just because it's fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah. If they didn't get

Speaker 12 real quick, speaking of betting, you guys brought that up. I got a new bet that you guys got to get into.
If the Blue Jackets ever accidentally take the lead in the third period,

Speaker 12 usually you can grab the Bruins or whatever they're planning, like plus 170, plus 200. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Play the money line. It's a block.

Speaker 12 I made a nice, a nice chunk the other night.

Speaker 1 This is guaranteed.

Speaker 5 We'll have that on our system, on our tech system, that we're going to invent with the Blue Jackets.

Speaker 1 Columbus has a shot. I like that.

Speaker 1 If they ever have the lead in the third, everything on the opponent. I like it.

Speaker 5 I'm going to try that one out. So if hypothetically Iowa had beaten Minnesota, if they didn't have that bogus fair catch call, and then Iowa beats Michigan, does Iowa get into the playoff?

Speaker 12 But see, that goes back to our original talk or conversation.

Speaker 12 if they were undefeated now if they beat michigan and they're undefeated they probably do they probably do if if they're if they have one loss and they're and they're you know they're they're playing the way they've done all year i would just go back to are they are they one of the best for that that's what i would say yeah and i guarantee as big 10 champs they would probably get in yeah defenses the problem is that the way they lost to penn state would probably preclude them because it's like they couldn't even move the ball so yeah that would be like hey we don't want to watch this again but i still love iowa They make everyone so upset.

Speaker 1 It's great. Yeah, they do.
They do.

Speaker 1 People get worked up about them.

Speaker 5 And what I love is they've always got tight ends that get to the NFL and they're outstanding at catching the ball.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable.

Speaker 12 And linemen. And linemen generally.
Yeah. They do a job of producing a big lineman.

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Speaker 5 So, Herbie, what goes on inside the room at the College Football Playoff Committee? Like, are we talking, is there a nice spread out there? Do they have like a buffet? Is there a bar?

Speaker 5 Are people having drinks in there?

Speaker 12 I don't know. I've never been there.
I'm always, always, I'm like you guys.

Speaker 12 I go to,

Speaker 12 luckily, I've been at my house, you know, the last few weeks that they've done this and I don't have to worry about going down there. I think Heather, should ask Heather Dennix that.

Speaker 12 She goes down there and sits outside the room and talks to them, but I'm sure they feed them pretty well. But I've talked with some guys.
I talked to Alvie about it when he was on there.

Speaker 12 And, you know, I think the coaches generally,

Speaker 12 a lot of people bring in the analytics and then you kind of hope that the football coaches are the ones that are bringing the football part of it into

Speaker 12 the equation. Because, like I said, if you just get caught up in the metrics of what makes a good team, I think

Speaker 12 you end up going down the wrong path. That's part of it, but that's not all of it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I just want to know if there's like fights that break out in there, if people start yelling at each other, how heated does it get? I want to see.

Speaker 1 I wonder. I think it should be recorded.

Speaker 1 We should be able to watch this debate, right?

Speaker 12 That would be great.

Speaker 1 And you know, when Alvie was in there with his pinky ring on i call him al capone um you know he was in there getting after people but i i don't know i don't know the committee this year to know what kind of energy we got going in that room but this if there's ever a year to argue and get after each other this will be at sunday morning yeah so um the other part of what we got going on with college football right now is obviously the coaching carousel is going to start heating up mike elko going to tech sam which i think is a good hire i know that i thought i thought mark stoops would have been a good hire too but that's a whole other issue with texas am fans who do you have circled right now is is a guy who you think is going to get a job and be successful right away

Speaker 12 uh i well the elko hire that can you guys fill me in i i i left florida state florida at the swamp yeah texted stoops because the story broke that he took the job texted stoops hey man congrats

Speaker 12 You know, you've done great things in Lexington.

Speaker 12 You know, I hate to see you leave there, but wish you all the best. And got on a plane, and then I was about 30 minutes into the flight.
And then I heard he didn't get the job.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So from what I understand, Texas AM fans are under the impression that they've won a national championship in the last hundred years and that Mark Stoops was beneath them to be their head coach.

Speaker 12 Oh, that you honestly think that's what it was.

Speaker 1 Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Yeah, kind of. Yeah.
I mean, it was, it was obviously a little bit of different circumstances, but yeah, I think they revolted, which is crazy because Mark Stoops

Speaker 5 Yeah, he's a very good and and also we don't really know what happened. We're we're kind of speculating too, but um all every AM fan went into panic mode with Mark Stoops.

Speaker 5 Like it was the worst hire ever. I don't understand why because what he's done at Kentucky is incredible.

Speaker 1 And he's also won 10 games twice as many times as Texas AM has in the last 20 years.

Speaker 12 Mark Stoops,

Speaker 12 think about, I look at the college game as almost now become more of haves and have-nots. He's been a have-not his entire time at UK.

Speaker 12 And look what he's done.

Speaker 12 I don't know what he's averaged, eight wins probably a year at UK. No one's ever done that.
And you sent him down to AM with those resources and that NIL money and the facilities they have.

Speaker 12 I'm not saying Mike Elko is not going to do a good job, but if that's how it went down, they thought Mark was beneath them. Man,

Speaker 12 they should have been thankful that they had a chance to get him.

Speaker 1 I think he would have done a job there.

Speaker 5 I agree. I do think that Elko is going to be a good coach for an A ⁇ M too.
I think either way, it was going to be a good thing, but for whatever reason, they're happier with Elko.

Speaker 12 Yeah, as far as a coach out there, I mean, there aren't a lot of big jobs open right now, right? I mean, I think Jonathan Smith going to Michigan State is going to be a really challenging job for him.

Speaker 12 because everything that's going on. They just finished like a $200 million new facility, which will help like in this, this new world of the arms races and NIL money.

Speaker 12 So if they're going to give him a chance to get involved in NIL, I think he has the right blueprint for the culture that I think fits from Corvallis to East Lansing. I think it's very similar.

Speaker 12 Kind of being, you know, he was a second class citizen to Oregon in that state. He's going to be the same thing in the state of Michigan.
to the University of Michigan.

Speaker 12 So I think he understands what it takes. So I think he'll, he's going to to take some time to kind of clean that image up.

Speaker 12 But I think he could get it going there. I don't know.

Speaker 5 Name another job.

Speaker 5 Houston's open. And we are Dana Holgerson guys.
Unfortunately, they fired Dana. But I feel like that's got to be a pretty attractive opening, right?

Speaker 12 What's in the Big 12 now?

Speaker 12 I mean, it's not like it's. So I would, I think they've gone from being a have-not to now a have, you know, because of the conference that they're in.

Speaker 12 And what's the future, really, with this 12-team playoff?

Speaker 12 And remember, remember, we were all kind of speculating that the SEC and the Big Ten is going to be the behemoths and it's going to be everyone else.

Speaker 12 You know, are we done?

Speaker 12 Is there more realignment coming? Is the Big 12 what it is now? Are they done?

Speaker 12 You know, what's left? Remember, there's talk about Clemson might join the SEC. Are they going to be able to get out of their contract?

Speaker 12 So I don't know if we're actually done, done, but we need to be done, I think, before next season.

Speaker 1 I think what's going to happen, it's going to be similar to uh how all of the the cable you know we went to streaming and now we have all these streaming apps and now we're bundling streaming apps which is literally what cable was i think what we're going to do is we're going to keep realigning until then we like the big 10 has a big 10 west conference and it's just what the pac-12 was right and so it's going to just be we're going to accidentally get right back to where we were where it's like oh that looks exactly like what the pac 12 was and that looks exactly like what the big 12 was i i'm with you on that.

Speaker 12 I think at some point we get to like 40 or 50 teams, and we just divide it up into

Speaker 1 region. Yeah, and we're like, hey, let's call it the Big 12 and the Big 10 and the Pac-12.
It's like, wait, what the fuck?

Speaker 12 It's going to be like the NFL.

Speaker 1 It's going to be the AFC and the NFC and there'll be divisions within it.

Speaker 12 And they'll call it those conferences. Yeah.

Speaker 12 That's when we'll be all the way back where we started.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which I'm fine with. I'm cool if we got back there because then we can keep some traditional rivalries.

Speaker 5 What they should do is relegation, like in soccer, where you have the ability to jump up to that highest division.

Speaker 12 if you're like a group of five school you have the ability to jump up boom now you're basically a power five school and if you keep stinking you get relegated right down like that that to me seems like that would be a very fun thing to watch but yeah i think we're going towards there's going to be like two super conferences and then those super conferences like the nfc and nfc will have the divisions yeah yeah which i'm fine with um all right i think the big the bigger issue guys is I think they're going to have to break away from the NCAA or they're going to have to restructure the NCAA or just put football, the big football division in its own category and then they're going to have to partner with the players in some way kind of a collective bargaining agreement and the reason i say that is they're not making any headway at all when it comes to controlling nil or portal or any rules at all they're going to have to put some rules together partner with the players let the players have some representatives either former players or current players or mix of the two and then break away from the nca create your own governing body and then find out okay hey guys players are you cool with NIL being this rule?

Speaker 12 Okay, sign off on that transfer portal. Let's have these dates and that dates.
Great.

Speaker 12 Okay, revenue sharing, ESPN, Fox money, whoever's putting money in, players get this much, you know, the leagues get this much. Gonna have to get there at some point.

Speaker 12 Otherwise, I just don't see how they sustain the model that we're currently on. It's just, I don't think it's practical.

Speaker 1 Agreed.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I agree. So last thing in college football, then maybe we could talk a little NFL.

Speaker 5 Sure. What is the ultimate doomsday scenario i just mostly like saying doomsday scenario okay but doomsday scenario

Speaker 12 the ultimate is alabama beats georgia

Speaker 12 michigan they're not going to lose to iowa michigan's going to win whatever happens friday between oregon and washington if you want doomsday give oregon a win because they have the one loss

Speaker 12 Throw in a Florida State win.

Speaker 1 How about a loss?

Speaker 5 How about a narrow win?

Speaker 1 For Florida State? Yeah, like a one-year last-second field goal.

Speaker 12 Last field goal with a backup quarterback. Didn't look great.
Sloppy game. Louisville just lost to Kentucky.
Takes them a last-second field goal with a backup quarterback to beat Louisville.

Speaker 12 And then Texas ends up winning in an ugly game against Mike Gundy and the mullet against Oklahoma State. That's, I think, the biggest doomsday that you could have.

Speaker 5 And then on record, who would your final four be? Just so that we can have some fan base.

Speaker 1 Under that doomsday?

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah, they get mad at you.

Speaker 12 I'm not going to answer that until it's

Speaker 1 you answer that. You answer that.

Speaker 5 Okay, under that situation, let's see, who are the

Speaker 1 matter what I say?

Speaker 5 I've got

Speaker 5 Michigan. I've got

Speaker 5 Alabama.

Speaker 5 I've got.

Speaker 12 You're putting them on the table there.

Speaker 5 I got Texas and then I got

Speaker 12 Oregon or Florida State?

Speaker 5 No, you know what? I'm going to go no SEC. I'm going to get everybody mad at me.
I'm going to say Michigan, Oregon, Texas, and Florida State. There we go.
How about that?

Speaker 1 Oh, I like it.

Speaker 5 Just

Speaker 5 to make the most people mad.

Speaker 1 And then, you know what?

Speaker 1 And then the SEC

Speaker 5 can take the SEC championship and they'll say that that's really the national title.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 And I want to hear what you say, Big Cat, because I think Michigan would be a lock. Yep.

Speaker 12 I think Texas would be a lock.

Speaker 12 I think

Speaker 12 Oregon would be in. And I think the debate would be between Alabama

Speaker 12 and undefeated Florida State.

Speaker 1 I will

Speaker 1 know that the idea of the four best teams right now,

Speaker 1 I will stand on it forever that the game should matter. And I think that that actually,

Speaker 1 it actually pisses off the least amount of people because you can just go back to it and be like, look, games matter. Games matter.
That's it. Games matter.

Speaker 12 Would you put Texas in?

Speaker 1 Yeah, games matter. Texas has to go over Alabama.

Speaker 12 Would you put Alabama in? Because games matter. They just beat the best team in the country.

Speaker 1 Right, but if you're saying in Florida State's undefeated? Yeah. Yeah, I'd put Florida State in.

Speaker 1 You'd leave Alabama. Yeah, or you could have the debate about Oregon and Alabama there.
and be like, well, Alabama just had the best win of the season.

Speaker 12 But this is dead serious. One thing to remember is when the committee does, this is actually in their handbook.

Speaker 12 When they're evaluating teams,

Speaker 12 when they get to what they call a cluster, and this is what we're describing as a cluster, they go to, they don't weigh one more than the other. Remember that.

Speaker 12 So like head to head doesn't outweigh conference champion.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 So like they look at head to head. That's one of the things they take into consideration.
They look at common opponent. It's another thing they take into consideration.

Speaker 12 Conference champion, that's something that goes into consideration. So there's like four or five things that they look at that if you get to those cluster of teams, they find a differentiator.

Speaker 12 Like, let's, okay, let's give Texas gets the head-to-head against Alabama. Alabama is a conference champion.
Texas is a conference champion.

Speaker 12 And then at the end of the day, if they say, you know what, we just think Alabama's better, then they would say the cluster thing doesn't matter. Alabama would go ahead.

Speaker 12 So, but that just gives you an idea.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and that would be

Speaker 1 people off because you could be like, oh, Alabama's better. Well, here's 34-24 in Tuscaloosa.
I get it.

Speaker 5 I understand the cluster tiebreaker thing, but also it sounds like a lot of different ways to try to figure out if Alabama is better than Texas

Speaker 5 because they beat a lot of teams that aren't

Speaker 5 Oregon and Washington.

Speaker 12 Oregon lost to Washington.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 12 And they're a 10-point favorite. They're a 10-point favorite this weekend in their rematch.
Yeah. Go by games matter.

Speaker 12 Washington beat Oregon. If they didn't have this rematch, your guys' logic would be Washington should go in over Oregon because they're a better team and they beat them head to head.

Speaker 12 And Vegas says they're not only Oregon's not only a better team. They're a 10-point better team.

Speaker 12 So see what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 The weird thing for Texas is it actually would have benefited them if BYU had beaten Oklahoma State on Saturday. So they could have had a rematch against Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 And I do think that helps a lot when you can avenge your one loss and do it convincingly. It kind of erases it.

Speaker 5 I just missed the days when somebody would go in the back room and press a button and then a computer would be like, Texas is better. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're in the computer. Texas is in USA.

Speaker 5 I don't even think those computers existed.

Speaker 1 I think it was just guys in a row.

Speaker 12 The Sagarin ratings, the Sagarin ratings. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, I remember, listen. I remember when I first found the Sagarin ratings in USA Today, and I was like, did I just find the cheat code to winning all the money?

Speaker 1 Like, I just take the team that's favored by more points and, like, has the

Speaker 1 higher ratings?

Speaker 1 Crazy, though, dude.

Speaker 12 Ohio State just beat Wisconsin, or Wisconsin beat Ohio State, and Ohio State still ranked ahead of them the next week. I know it's the best, though.

Speaker 5 It brought chess into the equation. Yeah.
The ELO, ELO chess. Yeah.
Yeah, you really did feel like a genius when you were reading it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when I found that, I really was like, oh my God, I found the holy grail. I just got to take the team rated higher.
This is going to be great.

Speaker 1 All right. I have one last question.
We'll do do a little NFL.

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Speaker 1 Okay, so Thursday night football.

Speaker 1 So this is a question. We are big Al Michaels guys.

Speaker 1 And my question really is, does Al hear any of the outside noise of being like, oh, Al doesn't have the same enthusiasm? I thought he brought it. I thought he brought it for Black Friday.

Speaker 1 So does he hear it? Because I love Al. I feel like he's someone who's had so many seminal moments as a sports fan.
He has called that I will always have reverence for him.

Speaker 1 But does he hear when people are like, oh, he doesn't have any juice? He's not, he's, he's, he's kind of mailing it in.

Speaker 12 So let me, there are a lot of layers here.

Speaker 12 NFL football, even in a prime time setting and Thursday night football, we've had great schedule this year. We've had some great games.

Speaker 12 I find myself, like if you listen to me call the Florida, Florida State game or this weekend when I'm calling,

Speaker 12 I'm standing the whole game. Fowler is standing the whole game.
There's energy that's just unparalleled in these college atmospheres.

Speaker 12 You know, whether you're at a place like your spot in Madison or JMU or Columbus or wherever you are,

Speaker 12 you get caught up in the moment that you're performing in. And I think Al, when he would do Thursday night or Sunday night football or Monday night football, those games were massive.

Speaker 12 You know, you're doing big games and your voice projects based on the setting that you're in. And these Thursday night games, they're good.

Speaker 12 They're good atmospheres, but I don't think they're at the level of a Sunday night game or what I'm doing, these Saturday night games. So I think your voice always matches with what you're doing.

Speaker 12 I think everyone is holding the Jacksonville game, the playoff game last year against him. I didn't work with him in that game.
I think it was Tony. Dungy did.

Speaker 12 And they got a lot of criticism after that game. And I think it's almost like, you know, social media is, they're using that as a narrative.
And they're just using that.

Speaker 12 And at one time in the Indie Denver game, he talked about how, what a shitty game it was that we were doing. It was.

Speaker 12 It's almost like they're using those two examples to just say, Al Michaels hates Thursday night. Al Michaels has lost it.
And as the guy sitting next to him, I've been, I'm like you.

Speaker 12 I'm sitting next to Al Michaels. Like, it'd be like you sitting next to him.
I'm the big, his biggest fan of all time going back to the 1980 Olympics and to be working with him is very surreal.

Speaker 12 I've noticed that Al Michaels is very much like me. When the game warrants excitement, he brings excitement.

Speaker 12 When the game is kind of flatlined, and let's face it, not just Thursday night, there are a lot of NFL games that are flat.

Speaker 12 I mean, last night's game sucked.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, it's where the NFL is right now.

Speaker 12 There's about 10 teams that get you on the edge of your seat. And there's about 20 to 22 teams that are just kind of trying to find an identity, whether it's injuries or whatever it might be.

Speaker 12 So I think Al hears it. He disagrees with it.
He's really enjoying, I think, our crew and what we're doing and what we have to work with on Thursday night.

Speaker 12 You know,

Speaker 12 to be at his age. And I marvel at what he does.
I'm not just telling you guys that to talk, a producer is talking in his ear.

Speaker 12 He's always recognizing and IDing typically the right guy every time at his age, I'm blown away by it. I'm not just saying that to say what, defend the guy.
I'm being honest with you guys.

Speaker 12 So he hears the noise. I don't think he's like, I'll show them.
I'm going to really bring it this week. He's definitely not doing that.

Speaker 12 He has more of an F you attitude about it than that I'm going to show them. So he thinks it's a bunch of bullshit.
I think it's a bunch of bullshit.

Speaker 12 And I think it's just a narrative that social media is kind of running with that.

Speaker 5 What it is, it's that the games are so bad very frequently on Thursday nights that

Speaker 5 since it's a standalone. And if a game's bad and standalone, we need somebody to be angry at.
So then people are just like taking out their frustration right now.

Speaker 5 Like, Al, make this shitty game more entertaining for me. Why can't you do that? But no, I agree.

Speaker 5 I don't think that Al Michaels is actually a good representation of what we're feeling on the couch if you're watching a game game that that doesn't have you on the edge of your seat and when you have a good one i still feel like he's been he's been really really good yeah and you're right

Speaker 12 the product overall there's been some really tough games to watch and like that's just the reality of it but dude talk to troy and joe i mean we hit i text i mean it's just it's it's not And I know it's, because I go back, I remember I watched Thursday night football and they had the uniforms on and it was just always like a C or a D game.

Speaker 12 We've really, if you looked at our schedule in August and you looked at what we ended up having, like you looked at that Miami, New York Jets game with Aaron Rodgers and Tua. This is back in August.

Speaker 12 We're like, holy shit, what a great game. And Joe Burrow going against Lamar Jackson.
I mean, we've had so many games.

Speaker 12 Even New England and Pittsburgh, who we have in a couple of weeks, you're thinking, boy, this schedule is going to be great. And it's turned out when we got a ton of injuries.
Not us, the league.

Speaker 1 The league, yes.

Speaker 12 Troy gets a lot of games like this as well. So it is what it is.
It's where the NFL, unfortunately, is.

Speaker 12 And I think my take on it is a lot of quarterback injuries, a lot of offensive linemen injuries, a lot of dominant defensive linemen, and a lot of really poor offensive football is kind of where we are right now as a league.

Speaker 12 You know, so

Speaker 1 it is what it is. You're right.
It's a lot of circumstance. We have Monday Night Football next week is Bengals Jaguars.
We thought that game was going to be incredible.

Speaker 1 Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, guess what? Now we're watching Jake Browning and it's like, okay, the juice is kind of out of it.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, it does feel like the quarterback, the NFL goes as the quarterbacks go. And when there's a cluster of quarterback injuries, you see it in the product.

Speaker 12 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So you got the Cowboys on Thursday.

Speaker 5 Are you one of the media members that's going to gas up the Cowboys? Do you think that they could be Super Bowl champions? Could they win the Super Bowl?

Speaker 12 If they play the way they have the last three weeks. Now, they haven't played anybody great.

Speaker 12 Like, we're going to find out about Dallas in the next few weeks because their schedule is about to get real.

Speaker 12 But right now, you could argue that Dak's playing the best that he has in his career. And number two, Mike McCarthy calling plays.
I think there's a rhythm right now. They have balance.
They can run.

Speaker 12 They can throw. The defense with Dan Quinn right now, I mean, there's a lot there to like, but I think everybody wants to see them.
play against the big boys and see how they do in the coming weeks.

Speaker 12 But right now, man,

Speaker 12 it's one of the the better teams in an NFL kind of watered down. They definitely stand out.

Speaker 12 In the NFC, you got Philly, you got San Fran, Detroit, if they can get back to playing the way they were, and you got Dallas. I mean, those teams right now are definitely standing out.

Speaker 5 I think Jerry might have lifted the curse when he allowed Jimmy Johnson to the ring of honor. I feel like that was...
I'm a big curse guy. I feel like that was a combo breaker.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's good. That's fair.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Herbie, always great to have you on.

Speaker 1 You love football just as much as we love football. It's going to be great to watch

Speaker 1 Florida State maybe get in on Saturday night, and we're going to watch Cowboys and Seahawks on Thursday. You're the busiest guy in the world.

Speaker 1 I did have, oh, I forgot. I should have brought this up because I can't be a fraud.

Speaker 12 You don't like the map thing?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the map thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it's not that I don't like it.

Speaker 1 Listen, we're lucky enough to travel first class as well, or private plane as well for some of these shows. It's not really that taxing a travel when you get to fly private.
It isn't.

Speaker 1 You get to show up, you get on the plane, you get to put your feet up, you got some of the things.

Speaker 12 The travel is not the travel, the actual in-the-plane travel. Right.

Speaker 1 I'll take that. Do you have Wi-Fi on your private plane?

Speaker 1 This is now the least relatable conversation of all time to be like, hey, let's compare. Because we don't have, I would say that we don't usually have good working Wi-Fi.
That actually is a crisis.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's the hardest job in America.

Speaker 1 It's hit or miss.

Speaker 12 Okay, let me just tell you this week because I'm not complaining. I'll just tell you this week what I do.
So I'm here at my house Monday and Tuesday. I fly to Dallas Wednesday.

Speaker 12 Another prep is the worst part of my job.

Speaker 12 The actual travel and the games, that part is enjoyable, but the prep is what really kind of bogs you down. But Wednesday to Dallas, call the game Thursday night.

Speaker 12 Right after the game, I fly to Las Vegas. And when I land, I call Oregon, Washington that night.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 12 Right after that game, we get over around midnight. I'll fly to Atlanta.
And right when I land, I think I might go to the hotel. I might just go to the set and I'll do college game day from 9 to 12.

Speaker 12 And then Sunday, we do the selection show. So

Speaker 1 that's a pretty big week of work. Okay, fine.

Speaker 12 I don't think it's the actual flight.

Speaker 12 And Ben's with me, so I'm really spoiled. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I got that going for me, too. Yeah, it was a very nitpicky thing of me, I have to admit.
I was just like, I don't like to tweet. I just don't really know why.
There's one tweet.

Speaker 1 You know what you should do, dude?

Speaker 12 You should, you should come with me one week.

Speaker 1 You'd love it. No, what I need to do is I need to do one of those for me where it's just like

Speaker 1 the art is going from like to the bathroom to the to the refrigerator back to the TV. It's like, look at this.
Look at my Saturday. What a shit show.

Speaker 1 That would be classic.

Speaker 12 By the way, what's the guy's name?

Speaker 12 The big Ohio State guy, the Dave Frank.

Speaker 1 Big F. Yeah.

Speaker 12 I felt so bad for the big.

Speaker 1 It's tough for him. He's, he just,

Speaker 12 Dave, Dave, the one I saw where he's in a car. Yeah.

Speaker 12 Just, and the big guy is just, just dejected, like looking out the window.

Speaker 12 Dave is just priceless with his like.

Speaker 12 Real quiet, didn't even say anything. Just, and he's like, it's tough.
Yeah. I hate to see you like this.

Speaker 5 Ev's talking about like, why couldn't I just been like a fan of cars? Yeah, mechanic. I worked on work on car motors my entire life.

Speaker 1 The good news. Yeah.
The good news for Big Ev is if he keeps losing, he has a job for life because Dave will just keep you around to do that every single year. Oh my God.

Speaker 12 That is too good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It was quite a day.

Speaker 12 One day you boys are going to let me come hang out in your

Speaker 1 war room is. Yes.
Come watch some warm

Speaker 1 out there.

Speaker 5 Are you familiar with Frank the Tank?

Speaker 5 Yes. Yeah.
What do you think about Frank?

Speaker 1 he's he's a he's a mets dolphins what are his who are his mets dolphins notre damn devils notre dame uh is he named real oh yeah satan hall serious when he gets dejected too oh yeah it's it's all too real yeah like

Speaker 1 he does all that that's dead serious dead serious dead serious he's just he lives and dies with his teams that's what we love that's why we want and just know if you're calling a dolphins game and and they're losing frank is is i'm cussing you up and down

Speaker 1 he's biting a hole through his shirt being like fucking kirk herb street yep it's true

Speaker 1 svp always laughs at him but that's mean when he does that yeah bring me in for the for the postseason yeah i come in there and just i just want to yell at people and get yelled at yes actually frank needs to have one of those maps of how he gets around the country yes that's wow that would that would be interesting uh all right well herbie thank you as always man we love you uh appreciate you coming on and uh good luck with uh your week this week.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 12 You got it, man.

Speaker 1 Good to see you, Herbie.

Speaker 5 Man, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 8 That thing is packed. Roasted peanuts, nugget, caramel, milk chocolate.
It's like the MVP of candy bars.

Speaker 8 And when you bite into it, boom, it sorts you out, gets your head back in the game of life, satisfying your hunger. Remember this: Snickers handles your hunger so you can handle everything else.

Speaker 8 Snickers satisfies, man.

Speaker 11 That's a winning play.

Speaker 1 So, y'all know that we're big fans of Cracker Barrel. And this holiday season, I will be sat at their table with a big plate of country-fried turkey.

Speaker 3 And Brandon, I'll be right there with you, and I'll check it off my Christmas list in the country store while I'm at it.

Speaker 13 It'll make a nice holiday tradition.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's so cute of you.

Speaker 3 Enjoy all the more holiday traditions only at Cracker Barrel.

Speaker 1 Okay, time for guys on chicks. Also, also, Friday, huge episode.
We have Cam Newton and Brandon Marshall in studio. They're in Chicago right now.

Speaker 1 If you're listening to this and you want something to do on Wednesday night, tonight,

Speaker 1 I am iconic tour at the Siddery Winery. There's still tickets.
They're doing a live podcast. We might have to go because I think we're friends with them now.

Speaker 5 You can ask Cam anything. Yeah.
Cam is an open book.

Speaker 1 Yes,

Speaker 1 so great interview with them coming on PMT on Friday, but

Speaker 1 I think we might be friends with them now, so we might have to go. But if you're thinking about doing something, it was an awesome, awesome interview, and they're going to put on a great show.

Speaker 5 I agree. I want to print out all my old blogs about Cam Newton and just hand deliver them to him.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 All right. Guys on chicks.
Hank.

Speaker 1 Reading. Reading.

Speaker 6 Hey, question about a piss jug here.

Speaker 6 I've been dating my boyfriend for about one and a half years now and recently discovered he pisses in a body armor bottle at night.

Speaker 6 His bathroom is literally five steps away from his bed and I don't understand why he urinates that instead of the toilet like a normal man.

Speaker 6 Last week I stayed over at his place for Thanksgiving and I couldn't help but stare at the body armor bottle next to his bed.

Speaker 6 I threw it out and he got mad at me. Is this normal?

Speaker 1 Oh yeah, because my boyfriend had issues. You can't touch a piss jug like that.

Speaker 5 This is a very, very normal issue. And it's not our fault as guys.
We learned this habit. I don't know if you went to college, but you go to college.

Speaker 5 college and you have to do this because sometimes your bathroom is not close to your dorm room.

Speaker 1 Or if you're, yeah, like uh i know that uh i was on the bottom bunk but there was a bunch of my friends who had top bunks and then you have to walk all the way down the hallway it's like yeah you need a piss jug exactly and the act of waking up and walking down a hallway makes you awake yeah you can't get back to sleep after a good piss yeah no piss jugs piss jugs play as long as it's designated piss jug yeah that's the only thing it has to be an age limit on piss jugs no no because no you actually all age two piss jugs when you get old and you're like in hospice care you use piss jugs again yeah it's diapers and and piss jugs what's your problem with piss jugs hank sounds like you're judging you have judgy eyes i don't have a problem with piss jugs i just think that you guys even said yourself that you know you used to use piss jugs but now you don't i feel like it's one of those things you age out of well i okay i just took a piss otherwise i would piss in this jug right in your face i personally have not used a piss jug in probably five years i have not used no that's not true that's not true road trips road trips count

Speaker 6 that's different though mobile piss jugs are a lot different than stationary stationary in your house.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm going to start using a piss jug in this studio.

Speaker 5 I might just pee right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm going to start using a piss jug in this studio. I just took a huge piss.
There's no better feeling than a big fucking piss. Just ripping a huge pisser.

Speaker 6 Powerful.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 And you're just like, you feel like a new man.

Speaker 5 He's pissing. Well, not yet.

Speaker 1 I'm just a cult. All right.
Next one. Hello, fat cat.
Poor FT. What the fuck?

Speaker 6 Cake Marsh and Big Belly Maxi Boy.

Speaker 1 Poor?

Speaker 6 I recently found out.

Speaker 1 Vacations with David Tepper.

Speaker 6 I recently found out that my boyfriend of four months still has Tinder on his phone. He gave me his phone while he was driving to send a text, and I had to snoop, obviously.
Oh, no.

Speaker 6 He hasn't sent a message since we've been dating, but he's an attractive guy, so he still gets messages from other girls he doesn't reply to.

Speaker 6 When I confronted him, he said he kept it as a confidence boost and a reminder that he's got options if I get too clingy and/or annoying. Should I break up with him or is this normal guy behavior?

Speaker 5 I think you should break up with him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, you can't.

Speaker 8 You don't talk about options if you're dating someone.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but you got to keep your options open, right?

Speaker 5 Maybe he doesn't think you're dating.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 this is like if you're a GM of a team, like, yeah, that guy's untradeable. But make an offer.
Yeah, like,

Speaker 6 I went on one dating app date, and I was like, I'm never doing this again. But I still have it.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 6 And sometimes I just check it just to see.

Speaker 1 There you go.

Speaker 5 There's a piss right in your face. Piss jug right in your face, Hank.

Speaker 5 Does this trigger you? Am I triggering you? Are you mad?

Speaker 1 Like, if Patrick Mahomes is untradeable, but what if someone offered a lifetime of number one picks?

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's a good point. Like, everyone's expendable.
Right.

Speaker 1 Everyone has a price.

Speaker 6 Especially after four months.

Speaker 1 After four months, yeah. Four months is still, yeah, that's still in the

Speaker 1 zone of feeling it out.

Speaker 5 How long, how long?

Speaker 6 And if he hasn't sent any messages, like, yeah, he's just, he just has.

Speaker 1 He just forgot to delete. So who deletes, who deletes apps? I, I think

Speaker 5 Tinder is one of those that I think the youths make a big deal about when it's officially official. Like, I have removed Tinder from my phone.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I actually, Hank, I've been thinking about cleaning up my phone because I have so many apps. I download stupid games and all this shit.
I don't know where to start.

Speaker 1 I want to be one of those people who has shit like organized on their phone, but I can't.

Speaker 5 No, no chance. My phone is just, it's like a Jackson Pollock pane.
Just apps scattered everywhere. Hank, do you want to hold on to this for me?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 We're hearing someone. I don't think they, Jake, they didn't close the door fully.
That's why.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's still kind of open. Okay, next question.

Speaker 1 Hi, guys.

Speaker 6 I'm running a college football picking from my office, and we're in our last week. My company's president is currently leading the season.
Standings looks like he's going to win the pool.

Speaker 6 His son is also in the pool, and neither him nor his son have paid me the $130 entry fee.

Speaker 6 How can I ask the president to pay for the pool? Or should I just cover him and his son's buying

Speaker 1 the full amount?

Speaker 6 Thank you for your help and go, Ravens.

Speaker 5 I think you have to send an email to the entire pool being like, hey, some people, including those at the very top, have not paid yet. If you don't pay, then you are not eligible to win.

Speaker 1 If he is going to win, though, the other option, you could just give him the cash minus his entry fee and his son's entry fee.

Speaker 5 It's the principle of the thing, though.

Speaker 1 That is fucked up. You got to pay.
Yeah, you have to pay.

Speaker 1 Have to pay. Have to pay.

Speaker 5 I think you've got to public sham.

Speaker 1 You got to pay to play.

Speaker 5 You got to say. You got to pay to play.

Speaker 1 Hey, buddy. You got to pay up.
Pony up.

Speaker 5 You're in this pool just like everybody else.

Speaker 1 Being cheap. Oh, do you need a loan? You say that to your boss.
Yeah. Hey, I can.

Speaker 1 need i know times are tough you need a little help it can float you have you seen the price of milk these days sleepy joe got you down

Speaker 6 i'll cover you if you need it all right hank last one me and my boyfriend are going to move in together in may i've been trying to convince him that we need a dog he's not fully convinced he might be too much work slash money while also just moving in together but i'm a teacher so i have summers off so i think it'd be the perfect time to get a dog i have a while to convince him any tips p.S.

Speaker 6 I would just get my own dog, but I want the full summer to train him.

Speaker 5 Is this Max? Is this... Are we we talking about Max? No, the...
Is there a house? Is there a house for the dog, too?

Speaker 1 Here's the reality of it. And this is fine because you should get the dog because having a dog is awesome.

Speaker 1 In every dog ownership situation with a couple, there's one person who it's kind of their dog a little bit more. That's okay.

Speaker 1 That just means you're probably going to have to take care of the dog a little bit more because he wasn't the one who was like, we need a dog. You were the one who's like, we need a dog.

Speaker 1 So if you know that going in, then get the dog because he'll fall in love with the dog. He'll start helping out with the dog.

Speaker 1 But to start, it will be like you'll get blamed for a couple of things being like, you wanted the dog, but it will be fine.

Speaker 5 Get the dog. I think now is the perfect time to do it, though.
If you're a teacher in the summers, this is what summers are for now. Yeah.
You got to take advantage of that time.

Speaker 5 Or you could, like, divide responsibilities, draw a line down the center of the dog. He takes care of the mouth.
You take care of the butt and the piss, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 Get the dog. Get the dog.

Speaker 5 Get the dog. No one's ever regretted getting a dog.
In fact, every family, every person out there there knows somebody. No, what about Cujo?

Speaker 1 Who has Cujo's great, great dog?

Speaker 5 Okay. But every family knows someone where, like, the dad did not want a dog.
Yeah. And the mom gets a dog.
And at first, the dad's like, this motherfucking dog.

Speaker 5 And then by the end, the dog and the dad are like inseparable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, of course. That's how it always works.

Speaker 6 Have you guys seen The Drop?

Speaker 1 No. Oh, yes, I have.
I'm worried. Great movie.

Speaker 6 Just started watching last night. I'm halfway through.

Speaker 1 I can't remember. Well, no, James Gandalfini does die in real life.
Okay. I assumed.
Okay.

Speaker 6 I'm just worried about the dog.

Speaker 1 No, that's a great movie. I can't remember.

Speaker 1 I think you're okay. Also, I think there's a website that says, Does the dog die? Oh, really?

Speaker 5 That's a good one. Yeah, pretty great website.
We do that. If you're thinking about getting a dog, sign a pre-pup in case you guys break up, decide, figure out who gets the dog afterward.

Speaker 5 That's a fact. That's a fact.

Speaker 1 Okay, great show, boys.

Speaker 5 Numbers?

Speaker 1 18.

Speaker 1 17. 71.

Speaker 1 3.

Speaker 1 3-3.

Speaker 5 8. And Cam Newton won and 1.

Speaker 1 He wanted 1, okay. 20.

Speaker 14 3.

Speaker 5 I tried to give him 2, but he wanted 62.

Speaker 1 62.

Speaker 1 62.

Speaker 1 62. What are you looking at, Max? Nothing.

Speaker 7 It's just going to be...

Speaker 1 How's your toe feeling, bitch?

Speaker 7 My toe actually feels

Speaker 1 almost back.

Speaker 5 Almost back. Yeah, I saw during the producer bowl, Max was too injured to play bocce ball.
That's not true. I said I would have played bocce ball.
I did too. You were like gritty on the street.

Speaker 7 No, well, there was another, there was another event that got axed that I was ready that I was ready to perform in.

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Speaker 1 Stoolstream's YouTube because we're going to start doing a ton more of those. It's going to be great.
Oh, yeah. And it's going to be great.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 Max, you look like a bitch jumping up and down.

Speaker 7 Well, I didn't want to get my footstepped on.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Huh.

Speaker 7 Love you guys. But I still wanted to celebrate with my squad.

Speaker 1 Boys.

Speaker 5 Love you guys.

Speaker 1 Love you guys. That video is so good.

Speaker 1 Talking away.

Speaker 1 So I don't know what

Speaker 1 to say. I'd say it anyway.

Speaker 1 Today is on my day to find you. Shine away.

Speaker 1 No, I've been coming for your love of dreams. Shine away.

Speaker 1 No, I've I'm coming for your love of please.

Speaker 1 I'll be

Speaker 1 your love.

Speaker 1 Say after me

Speaker 1 life's no better to say it's a stopping

Speaker 1 of day.

Speaker 1 Things that I say

Speaker 1 every little I hope. Just to play my burning light.

Speaker 1 You are things I've got to do enough.

Speaker 1 Shine away.

Speaker 1 Lock comes in the middle.

Speaker 1 Shine away.

Speaker 1 Lock comes in my life.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 1 Make all everything

Speaker 1 meal.