Von Miller, The PAC 12 Is Dead, We Had A Real Baseball Fight + Mt Rushmore Of Acronyms

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Speaker 1 On today's pardon, my take, we have recurring guest friend of the program, Von Miller.

Speaker 1 We have a couple Grit Week interviews we did that were great, that we're going to run in the next couple of weeks. Von Miller on the show.

Speaker 1 We catch up with him, talk about maybe a little different Von Miller. We've actually done the whole Von Miller career where we first met him, what, six years ago.

Speaker 1 Now he's a wily old vet and he's ready to maybe bring a super bowl to buffalo we're gonna do the mount rush more of acronyms uh which should be interesting we're going to talk some sports there's actually some good sports discussions uh realignment women's world cup tim anderson getting knocked out who's back of the week

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Speaker 1 Welcome to part of my take today is Monday August 7th and the Pac-12 is dead Completely dead.

Speaker 4 I feel bad for Washington state fans. I feel bad for some of the like Oregon state fans.
Cal Stanford. Realignment kind of sucks for them.

Speaker 4 Now, it's going to be cool when you look at the football schedules in like two years and you get to see some of these matchups. Correct.
So that's good. I like that for us, but it does kind of suck.

Speaker 1 I feel bad for them.

Speaker 1 I'm very conflicted, and I also know when I'm speaking about this, before anyone tries to correct me, I know that I'm speaking from a place where my team is safe. So

Speaker 1 it definitely changes how I look at the realignment. Realignment does suck.
It sucks because the Pac-12 has been around for over 100 years.

Speaker 4 Conference of Champions.

Speaker 1 I liked that there was different brands of football. I just don't understand when people say that college football is dying because guess what? On Saturday, I will still watch.

Speaker 1 And there are some new wrinkles that I actually am excited about. The Big 12 rocks.
The new Big 12 rocks.

Speaker 1 The fact that we're going to get like Kansas and Arizona playing basketball every single year, that rocks. Texas Tech and UCF is going to be my game of the year over every single year.

Speaker 1 Like, there are new wrinkles that are awesome.

Speaker 1 Washington, Oregon, playing in Rutgers, that will rock. Yeah, I will.
It will rock.

Speaker 4 What if you're like one of the smaller sports?

Speaker 1 Like, if you're a volleyball player and you're in Washington and you have to travel now to Piscataway. Well, this is the hypocrisy of the whole thing is when all these athletic department heads and

Speaker 1 presidents of the schools are like student athletes, student athletes, and they're like, oh yeah, an Oregon softball player now has to travel to Rutgers for like a weekend and then come back.

Speaker 1 They're not doing anything for student athletes. It is all for the money.
It's all for the TV money. Fox and ESPN have basically run how college football looks going forward.

Speaker 1 And Pac-12 completely bungled the whole thing. Started with Larry Scott.

Speaker 4 Larry Scott is, he's the big villain in all this. Larry Scott, when they brought him in, they were like, this guy is a visionary.
He understands the future of sports better than anybody.

Speaker 4 I remember he was doing like the rounds. He was getting interviewed on every podcast, or I guess not podcast at the time, every sports radio show.
He was all over ESPN.

Speaker 4 He's like, I have the vision to lead the Pac-12 into the future. Basically, his vision was just fucking everything up and making everybody hate him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no.

Speaker 4 So the best he could do for them was he had the Apple TV deal that the Pac-12 was going to sign, which sounds like, okay, for those of us that watch Apple TV, probably not that big of a deal, but the reality of the situation is there's a lot of alumni, there's a lot of fans of these teams that don't watch sports on Apple TV.

Speaker 4 They want their sports easy to find on linear TV.

Speaker 1 That's the new commissioner, by the way. The new commissioner.

Speaker 1 Larry Scott was out there. Larry Scott was out.
Larry Scott basically

Speaker 1 dated the death of the Pac-12, and then the new commissioner, George Kleevekopf,

Speaker 1 basically buried them all the way.

Speaker 4 But Larry Scott was the guy that absolutely fucked everything up. He just kind of milked everybody for all their money and he spent it on like $10,000 hotel suites.

Speaker 4 He was very much trying to build the brand of Larry Scott,

Speaker 4 the visionary of the Pac-12.

Speaker 1 He created a programming network that

Speaker 1 pretty much the entire country couldn't get on their TV.

Speaker 1 And yeah, they got boxed into a spot where George Kleevekopf

Speaker 1 got hopped in line by the Big 12 on the rights. So the Big 12 was able to get their rights.
And then Apple TV was it.

Speaker 1 And it was like half the money that the Big Ten or the SEC is getting and paying out to each one of their teams. And

Speaker 1 even in the dying breaths, they almost were able to save it.

Speaker 1 And it was Washington, Oregon was like, wait, why would we sign up for something that gets $23 million when all these other these other big conferences are making like $50 million a year?

Speaker 1 And also no one's going to watch our games. And we're not going to be on linear TV.

Speaker 1 And it's all falling apart. Washington is over.

Speaker 4 Washington made a good point, which was like, if the strength and the big selling point for why we should do this deal is the fact that we're going to be able to get out of the deal in two years once we sign it, then that's a bad deal.

Speaker 4 If the best part of your contract is the fact that you are going to be allowed to leave your contract, bad contract, move on.

Speaker 1 It was, they basically were trying, he was, Kleevekopf was trying to sell the Pac-12 teams on a commission structure.

Speaker 1 They're like, if we get 5 million new subscribers, we could eventually end up being like Big Ten schools.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and what this was really about was the Big Ten

Speaker 4 had the leg up on the Pac-12 when it came to how long the duration of their contract was. So when

Speaker 4 the Big Ten was able to renegotiate their media deal before the Pac-12 was, and then they got all the good time slots and they got put in

Speaker 4 a favorable position on the TV deal. And then the Pac-12 was like, well, you mean the Big 12.

Speaker 1 The Big Ten was already set.

Speaker 4 The Big Ten came to the... Yeah, so the Pac-12,

Speaker 4 they signed too long of a deal, a 12-year contract.

Speaker 1 And the Big 12 hopped in front of the Pac-12 in this last iteration.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so they should have done like an eight-year deal, not a huge, massive, long-term deal, even though this piece of shit, Larry Scott, was like, this is what's going to set us up for the most success in the future is sign this big deal.

Speaker 4 It's stable. They got jumped in line, and so then they were just standing there with their dick in their hand.

Speaker 1 And they also didn't have a linear partner. Like they, the Big Ten had its own.

Speaker 1 Big Ten did something similar to the Pac-12 where they made the Big Ten network, but they also had it in conjunction with Fox so you could watch their big games.

Speaker 1 And the Pac-12 was just completely antiquated. I have a quote for you that I'd like you to just tell me who maybe said this.
This was from 2021.

Speaker 1 This was said, you look at the metrics, you look at the numbers, and any way you cut and slice and dice the numbers, you come to the conclusion that no Pac-12 school is going to the Big 12.

Speaker 4 That would be Bill Walton.

Speaker 1 That was George Klevekoff, the Pac-12 commissioner.

Speaker 4 Like two weeks ago, right?

Speaker 1 No, that was two years ago. But still,

Speaker 1 he could not have been more wrong.

Speaker 1 The Pac-12 is completely gone. I don't really know.

Speaker 1 Part of me thinks that the Pac-12's best chance now is to just take the four remaining schools and be like, hey, Mountain West, do you want to just be the new Pac-12?

Speaker 4 Well, that's Gonzaga's fine. It's their time to shine.
Now they're going to play in a major conference after everybody else has already left. I saw one idea.
This might be the stupidest idea.

Speaker 4 I guess maybe if you're a money guy, it might make sense. But they're thinking about doing just a coastal conference, like both the Atlantic Coast and the West Coast.

Speaker 4 So like the most spread out possible conference.

Speaker 1 And they've already lost the biggest coastal teams that you can make. West Coast teams.

Speaker 4 I know. I know.
But they're saying the next idea up is to replace those teams with teams from the East Coast and just make an ocean conference.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the ACC tried to do a last-second, like, let's save the Pac-12 and go back to our Alliance days and

Speaker 1 figure out something. That was the golden age.
It sucks. It does suck.
I do feel bad for the teams that were left out. I just, I go back to the point of, I'm going to keep watching.

Speaker 1 And there is something a little funny about being like tradition in this sport when, I don't know, 25 years ago, they were still just arbitrarily naming multiple national champions.

Speaker 1 Like, college football is fucked up all the time. It does suck that we're losing the historical tradition of the Pac-12.
I'm not in favor of it. It's just, like I said, the TV, basically the TV rights

Speaker 1 have controlled all the big conferences and said, this is what you're going to do.

Speaker 1 And there's nothing you can do about it.

Speaker 4 There was one thing that the, I think it was the president of Washington said that this isn't totally about dollars and cents. It's 100% about money.
100%.

Speaker 4 There's no other thing that factored in the equation close to the level that money has just played this whole thing. Correct.

Speaker 4 There's absolutely no reason reason for this to ever occur in a sport where traditions and the fan bases that have grown up watching these games are still active. They still care about it.

Speaker 4 There's no other reason to switch things up to this magnitude besides the fact that you're going to get paid a shitload more money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's future safety that all these teams are vying for. And the Big Ten provides it.
The SEC provides it. The Big 12, weirdly, they've done a great job.

Speaker 1 They were on the ropes, and they've done a great job of adding.

Speaker 1 They are going to be the funnest conference.

Speaker 4 That's for sure. You know what we need? We need Saudi Arabia to step up and start funneling some money into college space.

Speaker 1 They might for Florida State. Florida State's looking for outside investment.

Speaker 4 Florida State, Miami would definitely give an arm and a lit. Well, that's probably a bad choice.

Speaker 4 They would love to be in bed with a Saudi Arabia, probably another bad choice. They would love to do business with the Saudi Saudi government.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 1 Shout out Colorado, by the way. Colorado,

Speaker 1 maybe like the most foresight of any university because they left the Big 12 for the Pac-12 15 years ago, and then they left the Pac-12 for the Big 12 right as the Pac-12 was about to die.

Speaker 4 They were just reloading.

Speaker 1 They were just getting ready. They've just hopped from rock to rock and survived this whole thing.

Speaker 4 Dancing through the raindrops.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 it does suck, though, and it's going to be weird. I will say this, though.

Speaker 1 This college football season is going to rule because you have all of this, all of everything's status quo, and it's going to be so much animosity between not only Texas and Oklahoma being in the Big 12 this year, going to the SEC, UCLA, USC staying in the Pac-12 this year, going to the Big Ten, Washington, Oregon, like all these games are going to be, it's going to mean a lot, lot more.

Speaker 1 Like there's going to be some real, real anger for the teams that are left behind.

Speaker 4 The conference

Speaker 4 realignment discussion that we have, and it seems like it's every offseason we talked about something different that's going on with that. It's like the least appealing part of college football.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it sucks. I love

Speaker 4 At the end of the day, we're going to watch the games. There's still going to be games on that kick off after 10 p.m.
on a Saturday. We're going to be happy about that.
We're going to watch them.

Speaker 4 We're going to have a good time.

Speaker 4 Most of America will have a good time, but it is going to leave some people out. And the teams that are getting left out in this are the smaller schools in the Pac-12.
And it just sucks for them.

Speaker 4 They have no leverage really to stand up to this big money. It's the worst part about sports.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it shouldn't have happened, but it's unfortunately happened.

Speaker 1 RIP Pac-12 after dark. That's sad.
I mean, that was the best.

Speaker 1 If you are a traditionalist and you are someone who's like, I wish college football would just stay the way it was,

Speaker 1 you should just be a MAC fan because the MAC does not change.

Speaker 4 MAC's not going anywhere.

Speaker 1 So this was from Ben Scott Stevens. Said the Mid-American Conference, a staple of consistency.
All 12 current full members have been in the conference since at least 1998.

Speaker 1 Half of the league has been a member since 1952. None of the other nine FBS conferences can say that.
MACSIN is your, it is the, it is like the traditionalist conference.

Speaker 4 Set your watch to MAC.

Speaker 1 It is MAC football. So like they, they are the big winner in the fact that they will not change.

Speaker 4 They won't. They won't.
I think we should do a pizza party for the winner of the Pac-12. Not this year, but next year.
Yeah. Future plans.
That's our contribution.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Pac-12 just fucked us up every single way. And they also even like voting against,

Speaker 1 like, they delayed the vote on automatic qualifiers for the expanded playoff. That fucked them.

Speaker 1 They could not have screwed this up more. And it does suck because, like we said, for the student athletes, it's brutal.

Speaker 1 Because a lot of those guys, like, if you're a student athlete in California and you say, oh, I'm going to go to a school in California or even Oregon or Washington because I want my parents to be able to go see the games, my family see the games, that's out the window now.

Speaker 1 Like you go to Oregon,

Speaker 1 your family's not going to travel to Indiana to see a game in the middle of October. It's just, it becomes very, very difficult to do all that stuff, and the sport has completely changed.

Speaker 4 I want to know what's going to happen with the Cougars flag on game day. Are we going to keep that up? Is there going to be a protest? Oh, they will.
They should boycott.

Speaker 1 They will. No, yeah, because the SPN is part of the reason.

Speaker 1 The ESPN and Fox.

Speaker 4 If I was Washington State, I would boycott college game day. I would not have a flag in the background, silent protest, get more eyes on the issue right there.

Speaker 4 It probably won't accomplish anything, but it'll send a message loud and clear.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 so i'm gonna still watch there will be some fun new wrinkles the big 12 does rule now just looking at the teams did you see the map too poor new mexico it's every state around new mexico and new mexico's not just doing their own thing

Speaker 1 they're just completely they're completely locked in it's just the entire big 12 is around new mexico this is also going to all be up for discussion in probably two or three more years i don't know i mean there's going to be more changes it just nothing stays the same in college yeah i mean there will be more changes because the ACC still has to get figured out and the ACC is in a bad deal that they're trying to get out of.

Speaker 1 But yeah, the whole thing sucks, and I still will watch.

Speaker 1 I am both upset, but also resigned to the fact that I am completely controlled by the fact that if you put live football, college football, or college basketball on a TV, I will watch. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's like, was it Trump's Diet Coke tweet? Like the people at Coke are mad at me. That's okay.
I'll keep drinking that garbage.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, I'll watch football.

Speaker 4 If football is on TV, I will be watching. Right.

Speaker 1 Okay. Anything else from realignment? I mean, I did see the interior, exterior Big Ten conferences or divisions that they were throwing out there.
Kind of interesting. Inside, outside?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it'd be inside, outside.

Speaker 4 Who's in the middle?

Speaker 1 It would be like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois.

Speaker 1 Power out there. And then it'd be like, you know, Washington, USC, UCLA, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, all those guys.

Speaker 4 I feel like Rutgers should be in interior too.

Speaker 1 No, they're exterior, unfortunately. Maryland's interior.
Okay. This is just sources that I've heard.

Speaker 4 So.

Speaker 4 Yeah, what are they going to do? How are they going to divvy that up? You might not have that sweet schedule.

Speaker 1 I don't think you can make. I think it's just going to be an 18-team conference.

Speaker 1 And because the college football playoff is expanding, knowing that like three, maybe even four Big Ten teams will go to the college football playoff, you just deal with it. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like it's not,

Speaker 1 it would be a perfect world.

Speaker 1 The problem is, what would have been great is if they had gotten to a nice, like, 16-team conferences and two automatic bids, or you can play like two playoff games, like two Big Ten playoff games for an automatic, you know, bid.

Speaker 1 Now it's just going to be the Big Ten and SEC are going to be like eight of the 12 teams in the college football playoff. What happens to the Rose Bowl? Rose Bowl is gone.

Speaker 1 Well, UCLA plays home games there.

Speaker 1 I don't know if the Rose Bowl worked out a deal to be still in the college football playoff. I'm sure they're still in the college football playoff

Speaker 1 every few years they get the national title game. But yeah,

Speaker 1 it does suck. It sucks.
These things suck.

Speaker 4 The Pac-12 needs to figure out some way to get people to continue watching their games, even without the big matchups. They've got to figure out a way to do

Speaker 4 it. Like Savannah Bananas of college football.

Speaker 1 No, they need to add the Mountain West. I think that's the move because otherwise those teams are just going to go.

Speaker 1 I've heard that maybe Cal stops playing football, Stanford goes independent, and then Oregon State and Washington State join the Mountain West.

Speaker 4 I love that Stanford would go independent.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Why not? I mean, it's crazy to think that just 12 years ago, like, Stanford was a team that was, you know, the Harbaugh, early David Shaw years was just in the mix every single year.

Speaker 1 And that, like, even those little wrinkles, I'm going to miss. I'm going to miss every year believing that Oregon is so fucking good they can beat anyone.

Speaker 1 And then they play Stanford in November and get punched in the mouth and lose. And I'm like, how would I lose all my money again?

Speaker 1 That was a nice rite of passage.

Speaker 4 It sucks. I hope they figure it out.
I do feel bad for the smaller schools getting fucked over in this.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, it's the worst part about sports.

Speaker 1 And those schools are really fucked because to keep up with everyone else, they've put a ton of money in their facilities and stadium, and now they have a shitload of debt.

Speaker 1 Like, I think Washington State just revamped their entire stadium.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they had to.

Speaker 1 And now they're playing. Yeah.
They're not going to be playing big-time Power Five football anymore.

Speaker 4 It is kind of crazy how in America, football controls our education system.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it does.

Speaker 4 Football rules everything around me.

Speaker 1 Freeman. I know.
All right, other things that happened this weekend. Tim Anderson got knocked out.

Speaker 4 Cole. Good fight, though.
I like seeing guys square up. This needs to happen in baseball.
It was awesome. It should be like in hockey.
It should be like in lacrosse.

Speaker 4 If two guys engage in mutual combat, I love the umpire stepping back.

Speaker 1 He's like, Unbelievable move by him.

Speaker 4 Let the boys swing. Yeah, they don't pay that guy enough to step in and take some shots.
Yeah, it's although it would be nice if Angel Hernandez stepped in and just got caught astray.

Speaker 1 Got caught.

Speaker 4 But yeah, they should do that in every sport. Like, if you want to fight a guy, fight the guy.

Speaker 1 And it's very rare for as much as baseball has fighting, you know, in the fact that they have fighting that's allowed somewhat.

Speaker 1 It's very rare that you see a guy get knocked out Colt. I think it's only, I was thinking about it, what, Joey Bats got knocked out, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, he got knocked down. He got knocked out.

Speaker 4 I wouldn't say he got knocked out.

Speaker 1 Tim Anderson got knocked out.

Speaker 1 If you're Tim Anderson, someone on your team has to be like, hey, just lay down and wait for the cart.

Speaker 1 Because if you take the cart out, then you know that everyone has to say, well, he might be really injured. We have to be careful.
Like, don't make jokes.

Speaker 1 Instead, he tried to walk it off and he was just falling all over the place. And Tim Anderson, yeah, it's tough when you're the guy who squares up to get knocked out.

Speaker 4 I do love that moment, though, when the guys look at each other and they jaw and then they agree to fight, drop the gloves, and then go for it. You don't see that in baseball.
It was Przynski that

Speaker 1 took one off your chin.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that was a good fight, too. It's rare that you get little punches thrown, connections made in a baseball fight.

Speaker 4 If I were Anderson, I would have laid on the ground and then waited for about five minutes and then stood up and be like, I got the wind knocked out of me. Right.

Speaker 4 And then no one can be like, no, you didn't.

Speaker 1 Also, did you see the body shot I landed? I thought this was going to be a longer fight. He did land a good body shot.
And you could just say Jose Ramirez, like...

Speaker 1 He just was swinging wildly. It was lucky.
He did connect, but yeah, it was a lucky shot. Hank, what do you think? I I mean, it was going wildly, but he knocked him out.
Yeah, no, he knocked him out.

Speaker 4 And the radio card.

Speaker 1 No, Tim Anderson looks like a fool. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate of, like, if you're Tim Anderson, what would you do? I'd wait for the cart.
I'd say I trip.

Speaker 4 I'd tweet out a clip of. I tripped over his fist.

Speaker 1 I'd treat out a clip of the kidney shot and be like, I was just working the body. Like, I thought this was going to go a few rounds.

Speaker 4 You shouldn't have stopped the fight.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 It was an early stoppage.

Speaker 1 Right. They didn't give me a standing 10 count.

Speaker 4 That was messed up. Yeah, I love the announcer when he was doing the play-by-play of the actual

Speaker 4 stolen base sliding in a second, and then he just seamlessly transitions. So, like, now he's calling a boxing fight.

Speaker 4 Down goes Anderson. Down goes Anderson.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're talking about the radio call. It's incredible.
Bonetti did a great job, too. Yeah.
Where he was just like, all right, and now they're squaring up. I love it.

Speaker 4 It's every sports announcer's dream to call an actual boxing match. And they just wish you got to stay ready for that moment when it presents itself.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But it was, it's very rare that you see a guy get a clean shot in baseball and two guys square up. Tim Anderson also tough that he's having like the worst year possible.
Yeah. His one home run.

Speaker 1 That's worse than having no home runs, by the way.

Speaker 4 Having one is, it makes it stand out so much worse.

Speaker 1 I don't know what ended up happening. I didn't follow up, but poor White Sox fans, Eli Jimenez like walking off hobbling.
He gets injured in a fight that he's not even in.

Speaker 1 It's just a perfect encapsulation of his career.

Speaker 4 I would like to blame some of Tim Anderson's teammates for that too, because if you're going to hold somebody back, hold them back.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 You were just kind of holding them up and letting him swing on your teammate. You did a half-assed job of protecting your guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't, I think maybe if he was playing better, they would have been a little bit more defensive of him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then Tim Anderson had a ton of tweets from like 10 years ago being like, try me, I'll knock you out. Didn't he delete some of them?

Speaker 4 He might have. I think he went back.
I think he was so triggered that he went back online and deleted his old tweets talking about how tough he was.

Speaker 1 He was so concussed. He's like, yeah, this will work.
I'll just delete them. Yeah.
No one will ever know that they were there.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was bad.

Speaker 4 Bad look for Tim. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Another bad look.
U.S. women's soccer team.
Out.

Speaker 4 Stunk.

Speaker 1 Megan Rapino smiling as she missed. She said that she was smiling because she was like, how the fuck did this not go in?

Speaker 4 She said she was smiling because it was the universe playing a sick joke on her. Yeah.
Well, she baggioed it. She missed it.
She missed it very, very high. That's a bad penalty.

Speaker 1 We did play well, though.

Speaker 4 We dominated the game. Sure.
You got a score.

Speaker 4 I'm a big expected goals guy. You know, the expected goals account that tweets out how many goals you should have scored, like you were expected to score.

Speaker 4 That is maybe the biggest crock of shit stat in sports.

Speaker 4 Well, based on how you guys really played, you won two to nothing.

Speaker 1 I woke up right as she was missing, or right as Sweden was hitting the goal that shouldn't have counted, because if you save it, it shouldn't count that it bounces in.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I don't know how much time you have. I think it's like the natural momentum of the ball.

Speaker 4 So even if you knock it out like six feet and it's got backspin, it rolls in, I think that counts as a goal.

Speaker 1 It should just be initial contact. Someone should have walked on and been like, hey, Sweden, do you want this to be the highlight of the time you beat U.S.?

Speaker 1 Because it's not really a highlight. Because if you watch it, you're like, wait, she saved it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and the ball crossed over by like a millimeter. That's crazy.
There's like one centimeter.

Speaker 1 The fact that we don't have that on goal line technology. Yeah.
Football.

Speaker 4 I think that was the first time that they did it for like a penalty kick situation in the World Cup where it's like, okay, we can go to the camera and use that and see, okay, it was seriously like a millimeter over, but we didn't deserve to win.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we don't deserve to win that. Our team sucked this year.
Carly Lloyd was right.

Speaker 1 She was very right.

Speaker 4 Lloyd was very right. And Alexi Lollis is sitting next to her.
I think Alexi's pissed off that Carly Lloyd is outtaking him on his own show.

Speaker 4 She was because he's usually the asshole that just makes ridiculous points. Carly Lloyd came over the top with an older man take on him.
Alexi's the big loser, Voltaire.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 And then the other things I had, I had a couple questions for Max. Max, is your

Speaker 1 mic work?

Speaker 1 Mike works. Can you explain Trey Turner to us? What happened?

Speaker 1 Yeah, explain the whole thing. Good sports down.
Hank, you're going to like this. Good sports down.
He's a great player.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Fantastic player.

Speaker 1 Trey Turner

Speaker 1 champion. Oh, yeah.
Making like $300 million a year. Yep.

Speaker 1 Thought by many to be the best shortstop in baseball. Hasn't had the best year after the World Baseball Classic.
Was really good in the World Baseball Classic. That's good.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 So what happened on Trevor?

Speaker 1 Did we win the World Baseball Classic?

Speaker 5 We did not. What plays?

Speaker 1 Second? Second. Oh, Madden.
After the show, hey. Oh, Madden.
Thanks. So, yeah, no, but he played well, so that's good.

Speaker 1 I didn't even pick up on that. That was a shot at me, but whatever.

Speaker 1 He's been really bad.

Speaker 1 You know, baseball is a real mental game. Philly being the big sports town that they are, great sports town,

Speaker 1 rallied together

Speaker 1 and said, instead of booing him, we're going to give him a standing ovation every time he gets to the plate.

Speaker 1 How long does that last? Now, is this a heartfelt standing ovation or a sarcastic standing ovation? I think it, no, it was heartfelt.

Speaker 1 I was so confused watching Philadelphia give a standing ovation to a $300 million guy who has been playing bad. I thought I had missed that Trey Turner had cancer and beat cancer and came back.

Speaker 1 That's how confused I was. No, that's just a good ball town, right? You think so? And so much so that

Speaker 1 your franchise player, Joelle Mbi, tweeted LOL as it was happening. Yeah, well, he was probably salty because he gets booed.
But baseball and basketball are different sports.

Speaker 1 Baseball is.

Speaker 1 Why would you boo your MVP? Because sometimes, like, in basketball and football, like,

Speaker 1 negative reinforcement, like, pisses the player off and, like, makes him play better. Baseball is not that sort of game.

Speaker 1 This is great.

Speaker 4 No, you're winding yourself down.

Speaker 1 This is quite the takeaway. No, no, this is a good take.
Keep going. As someone who played baseball and played football,

Speaker 1 if you were to boo me during football, I would have got pissed off, would have fucked the guy up. We were talking about basketball.
Yeah, well, I can't speak to basketball like I can.

Speaker 4 You just lump basketball in with football.

Speaker 1 But baseball is such a confidence game. Like, you need your confidence

Speaker 1 to know that you're good enough to play. And then Trey Turner had a huge bomb

Speaker 1 to win the game yesterday.

Speaker 4 It would probably make you feel worse if you were having an all-time shitty year and everybody sarcastically gave you a standing side. Yeah, but that's

Speaker 1 you're saying sarcasm. I'm not.

Speaker 4 Oh, so it's real.

Speaker 1 So what were they plotting about?

Speaker 1 They were plotting because it sucks. No, no, they're just saying like you're good.
You got this. That's what's what Philly fans.

Speaker 1 Everyone knows that's what Philly fans are. Yeah, Philly fans are always got their

Speaker 1 great sports down.

Speaker 4 So cheer for a player who is having an all-time bad year.

Speaker 1 Boo in baseball.

Speaker 4 Boo a player in basketball who's stinking. And Boo Santa Claus.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Also, I haven't watched a lot of the Phillies this week because it's been a busy, busy week, and I just saw clips of it yesterday because I was moving, and I was so confused.

Speaker 1 I was like, what is going on here? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But from what I've read into it, I haven't really seen much of it, but apparently there was a push on social media to be like, let's give Turner a standing ovation when he gets in the face.

Speaker 1 Now, do you think that this is Philly getting soft?

Speaker 1 No, I'm telling you, this is Philly knowing ball. Okay.

Speaker 1 We're a booing town and basically

Speaker 1 all of our booze are strategic to

Speaker 1 motivate

Speaker 1 because you want to motivate the player to get them down into the depths that they need to be to be successful.

Speaker 1 But baseball doesn't work that way, so that's just like us being a very smart sports down and knowing that.

Speaker 4 So, how's Trey doing now?

Speaker 1 He

Speaker 1 hit a home run to win the game, hit a double right after it

Speaker 1 to get an insurance run, and he's one for two right now with a double. Okay, so it might have worked.

Speaker 1 He's on fire. So now you have to, as Philly, start cheering everyone.
You set the precedent. Baseball, baseball.
No, this is a precedent. No, no, no.
Baseball is a different sport.

Speaker 1 If you're doing poorly, you need to be cheered. In baseball, correct.

Speaker 4 So do you start booing him now that he's good?

Speaker 1 How pissed do you think he's bad? Because he's super confident, right? No, it's not. How pissed do you think Alec Baum is? Like, why the fuck didn't they do this for me?

Speaker 1 Alec Bomb has also been very good this year.

Speaker 1 But he got booed.

Speaker 1 Well.

Speaker 1 He was bad and he was getting confused.

Speaker 4 Now that Trey Turner's playing really well, he's super confident, right? So now he's got, you can poke that dog.

Speaker 1 He's past four at-bats. Yeah.

Speaker 4 So at some point, you got to start booing him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I'll let the powers that be.
I mean, I trust my guys out in Philly. I'm not there right now, but, you know.
There's nothing worse than baseball contracts

Speaker 1 when a guy signs a huge, huge deal and sucks right out of the gate, and you're like, you start counting down the year. You're like, wait, eight more years of this?

Speaker 1 Also, all of this was based off of like a couple articles I've read because I have not seen much of the Phillies this year. Okay.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I want to know where who's in charge. Who's the Apex Philly fan that's deciding who gets booed, who gets cheered?

Speaker 1 That's a good question. I know there's a couple WIP callers.
That's the Philly sports fan that are probably big Ann. That brings me to my next question: Howard Eskin, what's up with him?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a weird tweet. That was the weirdest tweet of all time.
Howard Eskin, Philly

Speaker 1 radio legend, tweeted out on Saturday morning, ready to roll this morning with my show, Sports Radio, WIP, Trey Turner, and Phillies, Eagles expectations players that hung around too long 8 to 10 a.m.

Speaker 1 with this picture attached. Oh wow.
Yeah. Okay.
So I bonked him and then he was like hey guys that's my daughter.

Speaker 1 But I still don't know why he's just using his daughter to promote his show.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think he just accidentally put it as a tweet. But

Speaker 1 then he was doing a victory lap being like, yeah, everyone was talking about it all that.

Speaker 4 So one thing I love about Howard Eskin on Twitter is he is the quintessential old guy on Twitter that somebody told him, like, hey, you should sign up for this, use it to promote your takes, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 4 And he still has no idea how to use Twitter. Yeah.
He gets everything wrong. I love him.

Speaker 1 He DM'd me, said, Big cat, don't believe we've ever met, but respect back. And I sent him the jeter, little kid, respect.
I don't know, you respect that you

Speaker 1 use your daughter for

Speaker 1 accidentally for your call-in show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, weird weekend in Philly.

Speaker 1 Nah, that's just, that's just another day. That was just another day.
That's just another day in the city of brotherly love.

Speaker 1 Okay, other things.

Speaker 1 Bryson Shambo's awesome.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no comment. 58.
No comment on Bryson.

Speaker 1 58?

Speaker 4 I wish he was still big. Did you watch it?

Speaker 1 I watched the highlights on Instagram.

Speaker 4 Hank, when we played golf the other week, what did you shoot for nine holes?

Speaker 4 58. Was it 58?

Speaker 1 That's pretty sick.

Speaker 4 That's wild.

Speaker 1 He lapped you. You got lapped.
55. And then Nate Diaz and Jake Paul fought.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they did. I actually think Nate Diaz won this fight, Sam.
Because Nate Diaz, he's getting into a fight with an internet troll, right?

Speaker 4 And he somehow managed to become the king troll in that match. So he's like dancing around, getting his ass kicked a little bit, but still fighting.
He out-trolled Jake Paul in a boxing match.

Speaker 4 Jake Paul was like taking it very seriously, ended up winning technically. But Nate Diaz is like, dude,

Speaker 4 I got you mad. Look how mad you are.

Speaker 4 And he put him in the guillotine in the 10th round look how emotional you are yeah he was just like fucking around got a big payday and now jake says that he's gonna fight uh

Speaker 4 he's gonna fight nick diaz in the octagon in an mma fight next for ten million dollars that won't go well i don't think nope um but yeah jake paul also said that he's gonna be world champ in 2026 of what boxing okay yep all right i i like his confidence we do have a rough and rowdy belt Ready to go.

Speaker 1 He can compete for that.

Speaker 1 I did an all-time old man starting to get old. You know, know, started with the Josh Allen getting us with room 40.

Speaker 1 I bought the fight and then I did the math when it was like Serrano hadn't even come out. I was like, you know what? I'm just going to record this and watch it in the morning.
Smart.

Speaker 1 And I was smart because I got an extra two hours of sleep and I watched it and I was like, okay, it went exactly as I expected. Nate Diaz, every Nate Diaz fight is the exact same.

Speaker 1 He oftentimes loses and I just love him even more after. And I'm like, if that fight lasted 40 more rounds, he would have won.

Speaker 4 Yeah, if boxing as a sport was 100 rounds, Nate Diaz would be the best fighter of all time. All time.
He would never get knocked out. He would just outlast you.

Speaker 4 Hank had an all-time take when we were watching this. This is great.
I want to get your take on this, big cat, because we were watching the Serrano fight, right?

Speaker 4 Hank literally thinks that he could beat up Amanda Serrano.

Speaker 1 False. No,

Speaker 1 yes, Hank. So wrong.

Speaker 4 You think that you could beat her fact or fiction in a boxing match. Fiction.
You said it like 20 times.

Speaker 1 We are having a couple drinks. I was making some jokes.
Obviously, I don't think I could beat Amanda Serrano.

Speaker 4 You were talking very tough when we were watching this. Look at that smile.
You do.

Speaker 1 You were standing up.

Speaker 1 He was like, I can't believe you think this. I was like, yeah, dude, I'd take her out.
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 I got all of that. Hank was standing up and demonstrating.
That's an all-time bad take. He's like,

Speaker 4 five and a half feet tall. I'd keep her at bay with my jab.
He was showing us. He was like,

Speaker 4 she would never get inside. She would never get inside of me.

Speaker 1 I said the one thing she might have me on is cardio. But if I can.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 I was hungry.

Speaker 4 Hank went to the gym the other day and ran for, what, 0.1 miles?

Speaker 1 I was gave up. Well, no, I mean,

Speaker 1 I was a little bit hungover. The fact that I got to the gym in the first place is a victory.

Speaker 1 Anyone that knows that knows that.

Speaker 1 I was walking incline.

Speaker 4 But you started out trying to run.

Speaker 1 No, no. For 0.1 miles.
No. No.

Speaker 1 I was walking incline. I was like, you know what? I'm going to run for like 10 minutes.
And then I turned out the speed up, maybe ran 0.1 miles, and then turned the speed back down. It was like,

Speaker 1 I do that. You pretty much described every single workout I've ever had.
I just walk now, and then I'm like, ooh, I'm feeling good. Let me just get this incline down and this speed up.

Speaker 1 And then about a minute in, I start holding the sides. I'm like, let me go back to walking.
Someone was telling me about 12, 330, 12, incline. Acro walk.
Yeah. I'm going to type in that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 12 incline, three speed, 30 minutes. Burn more calories, incline walking than you do running.
Is that true? Yeah. You just don't.

Speaker 4 You got to make sure not to grab on and hold on.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bro, Max and I are about to be in the best shapes of our lives.

Speaker 4 I'm going on a hard diet starting Monday.

Speaker 1 I want to be weight pals with Max, where we text each other the weight every day, but he doesn't have a scale.

Speaker 4 Yeah. That's smart.

Speaker 4 It's not about the number, Max. It's about how you feel in your own body.

Speaker 1 I've done the math. I have 18 months before I'm 40, so I'm going to lose three pounds a month for the next 18 months.

Speaker 4 Every single grit week, we get back, and we usually eat like shit on the road. We get back, and we're like, okay, now's the time where we get serious about our diet.
It lasts about a week. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And then preseason starts, and we're like, okay, football's back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, football's back.

Speaker 1 Football's back. All right, let's do who's back of the week.
And then we have Vaughn Miller. Great interview with Von Miller.

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Speaker 1 Who's back of the week? Hank.

Speaker 1 Who's back of the week is Ian Carlos Stanton. Yeah, yeah, that was great.
Oh, man, did this roll. He was playing in a game.
He was on second base.

Speaker 1 A guy hit a single into center field and he got waved home. I mean, we're talking about stamina and speed.

Speaker 1 Like, it's not, if it's a hot take for me to say I could beat a man of Serrato in a fight, which maybe it is, I could easily beat Gian Carlos Stanton in a race because he was running maybe five miles an hour, probably slower than if he hit a home run.

Speaker 1 Like, I think guys, you know, maybe like a utility player when they hit a home run, Dustin Pedroa, runs faster on a home run trot than Gian Carlos Stanton was running in a live-action play where he was trying to score.

Speaker 1 He decided that he was out before the ball was even thrown from the outfield. He just, I've never seen anything like it.

Speaker 4 Well, if you're, if you're giving up on your season, why are you going to sprint, risk, injury? Like, who cares? He was just going for a walk home.

Speaker 1 It was, it was wild. People were blaming the third base coach.
It's like, you can't, if you're the third base coach,

Speaker 1 you can't expect a guy to run at 25% speed.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So that's a big-time lost the clubhouse moment.

Speaker 1 And some other people

Speaker 1 were trying to say,

Speaker 1 they were trying to say, well, the guy threw the ball at 98 miles an hour, so that's why it looked bad. It's like he still was running

Speaker 1 comparatively to the 98 mile an hour throw.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he looked slow.

Speaker 1 He got like slower with every single step.

Speaker 4 He was just like, fuck this.

Speaker 1 I don't want to play anymore. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he basically looked like he was playing in like a beer league softball game and made the decision, I'm not going to slide.

Speaker 1 I don't want to hurt my legs.

Speaker 4 Little league coaches across America are just furious watching this. Bad example for the youngsters out there.

Speaker 1 Little league World Series coming up. Yep.
Posco's just going after everyone. Yeah, he's trying to go.

Speaker 1 Have you green lit it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, C-3 C-S3 tank. There we go.
Hurdy here first. Breaking news.

Speaker 1 Okay, PFT, your who's back of the week.

Speaker 4 My who's back of the week is free speech.

Speaker 1 Who?

Speaker 4 Free speech is back. Finally, we're saying everything again.
Elon Musk has good news.

Speaker 4 He is going to bankroll any lawsuit for anyone who is adversely impacted at their job or fired because of things that they put out on Twitter. So he says.

Speaker 4 The X company is going to fund, I guess, lawsuits or who knows what he's going to fund.

Speaker 4 He's just basically saying, if you've been fired for anything you put on Twitter, if you've been reprimanded at work, we're going to foot your legal bills. Pretty nice of him.
Thank you, Elon Musk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, huge.

Speaker 4 Mincey's back.

Speaker 1 Fucking a man. Hank,

Speaker 1 the first thing I thought of is Hank, all the times we've shamed him for liking a vacation tweet. Yeah.
We are going to be in a lot of legal trouble if Hank ever decides to fill out some paperwork.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I could fill out a scroll, like a

Speaker 1 300-foot scroll of

Speaker 1 offenses. Wait, fucking a man, though, that was...
You just wanted to fuck a man. No.
How would you prove that? Pretend we're Elon Musk right now.

Speaker 1 I tweeted a tweet on a Friday night, not during work hours,

Speaker 1 and then I got shamed for it, roasted, social media clips made.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 what did the tweet say? Fucking A, man. No, what did the tweets say? Fucking A, man.

Speaker 4 Was there a comma in there?

Speaker 1 Did I say comma? And that's it.

Speaker 4 Okay, so that's fucking a man. Yeah, you just said fucking a man.

Speaker 1 Fucking a man. How would anyone read it? Fucking a man.

Speaker 1 Fucking a man.

Speaker 4 How is Elon, like, how is this going to work?

Speaker 1 I don't know. I think he just likes to say shit and then never does it.
Yeah. He's smart.

Speaker 4 We do that all the time. He basically bought, he bought Twitter because he wanted people to, like, he wanted his girlfriend to come back to him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, he's, that's why he got himself into this mess in the first place. Was just he wanted to be cool online.
Now he just keeps getting cooler and cooler online. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Can Ray Allen sue us for continually bringing up that tweet?

Speaker 1 No, because I was employed. Pre-Elon, and we're not his employer.

Speaker 4 Pre-Lon. Was that? Yeah, that's true.
We're not his employer. And it was pre-Elon.
I was thinking of the most out-of-pocket tweets of all time earlier.

Speaker 4 Do you guys remember the Rashard Mindenhall tweet when we killed Bin Laden? Oh, yeah. He tweeted out, what kind of person celebrates death?

Speaker 4 It's amazing how people can hate a man that have never even heard speak. We've only heard one side.

Speaker 1 Jeez.

Speaker 1 That was hell of a take. That was a hell of a take.

Speaker 4 He's just both sides 9-11.

Speaker 1 What about that chick who went to South Africa, had Justine?

Speaker 4 Justine landed yet? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. She's got a big case.

Speaker 4 I think she works for a competitor, doesn't she?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 5 I think she does. Oh, good for her.

Speaker 1 Yeah, good for her. Yeah, she's got a,

Speaker 1 what?

Speaker 1 What do you guys laugh about? Cassianos just hit a home run, as PFT was talking about 9-11. Oh, that's hilarious.
That's perfect. He's back.
Also, Matt Olson just hit a home run.

Speaker 1 Matt Olsen's coming on the show on Wednesday. I'll say it right now.
Awesome.

Speaker 1 Interview, but I feel like he's taking it personally. He's had a couple home runs this weekend.

Speaker 1 Yeah, great guy. Great interview coming for all the baseball.
Seam heads rejoice. Matt Olson in person Friday night.

Speaker 4 He got really deep into baseball strategy. Yeah.
We talked a lot about.

Speaker 1 Great, great dude.

Speaker 1 Okay, my who's back of the week is Adam Schein.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you guys saw this, but Adam Schein,

Speaker 1 what does he work for? CBS? CBS, I think he has a show on CBS.

Speaker 1 He basically had a whole rant that Jordan Love sucks at football and is not going to be a good quarterback and he's terrible and he doesn't even know how to play football.

Speaker 1 Devondre Campbell came to his defense.

Speaker 1 Jordan Love's teammate came to his defense, said, ain't no way you just got on here with that baggy ass Steve Harvey suit and then thick ass Dollar Tree glasses and disrespected my QB by saying he can't play football.

Speaker 1 He only has one career start. Let him play at least half a season before you open your big dumbass mouth on Twitter.
Adam Schein then replied,

Speaker 1 This is more of a who's back journalist. He said, appreciate you sharing.
Glasses are awesome. Certainly not a dollar.
Nice flex. Sports jacket is Calvin Klein.
It's great. You were right from 2019.

Speaker 1 Should retire. Love color, though.
And then he dropped this.

Speaker 1 My pleasure voting you first team all-pro two years ago. Have a great season.

Speaker 4 He's got receipts.

Speaker 1 I mean, that is an all-time smug journalist be like, oh yeah, you're telling me I'm bad? Well, remember the time I voted you all-pro? Yeah, so then that's a complete own on you.

Speaker 1 I can't imagine tweeting that. Just being like, yeah, you play this football league, but who really gives you all the accolades? Me.
I do journalists.

Speaker 4 I do love being the first to a take like that. He's just like planting his flag.
Jordan Love stinks. Shouldn't be an NFL player.
And he will absolutely, nothing will be held against him if he's wrong.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 4 But you got to be first to a take. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It also just reminded me how great our job is because we can just fly takes off all the time and just be like, yeah, well, that's the show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then a guy like Adam Schein gets in front of a camera and does like a minute like rant about Jordan Love sucking, and people get very upset.

Speaker 4 He's been, yeah, he hasn't been even like 1% as wrong as we've been about most things that we talk about.

Speaker 1 Most things, yeah. Although the Packers did, they I don't think they televised Family Night because they're worried they're trying to coddle Jordan Love.
That's what I heard.

Speaker 1 That's what the streets are saying. Hmm.

Speaker 4 I'm looking at his glasses right now. They might be a dollar.

Speaker 1 Yeah. They might be a dollar.
Glasses are cool. Not true.
Sorry. That's just not true.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But glasses can look cool, but if you said to anyone, would you rather wear glasses or not, everyone's picking not?

Speaker 4 We got to bring back four eyes as an insult.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Nice takeout.

Speaker 1 Dude, you're a dork. Like, that's just a fact.
You're a dork. And you got to expect when you put a takeout like that, that NFL players are going to be like, listen, dork.

Speaker 1 If I could, I would give you a wedgie right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Any who's back from memes and Max or Shane?

Speaker 5 Nothing?

Speaker 1 Okay, good job.

Speaker 1 All right, let's let's get to our interview. Vaughn Miller.
PFT, you got an ad before we get to Von Miller?

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Speaker 1 okay we now welcome on a very special guest recurring guest it's been a little too long it's good to have you back it is von miller super bowl champion future hall of famer does that sound good future hall of famer i mean i think Three Super Bowl champion or four Super Bowl champion sounds a little bit better.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 But yeah, all of that stuff is is good, man. I've been playing football a long time.
You know, being here with the Buffalo Business is my second year now.

Speaker 5 So the focus now is just trying to get over Humpman and trying to bring the city our first Super Bowl. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And let's start though with how are you feeling?

Speaker 5 I'm feeling good. I'm in a great spot.

Speaker 5 I thought I would be like in a position to be able to practice with the guys or at least do like individual but wasn't quite there yet, but I'm super close.

Speaker 5 You know, a body's going to do what it's going to do. Like physically, you can't really control any of that stuff.
All you can do is just come in and put in the work.

Speaker 5 And, you know, but in a mental, my mental, and I'm in a great mental space. And, you know, the body come along with it.
So I just take it one day at a time and just focus on that.

Speaker 1 That's an important thing to remember because as fans, we always are like, why the fuck isn't this guy back? Yep. It's like the body, you can't, you can't like rush if your body's not ready.

Speaker 1 But we sit there. I actually have a theory Adrian Peterson ruined it for everyone.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because when he tours ACL and came back in like eight months, everyone was like, oh, that's just what happens now.

Speaker 5 I mean, my first one, I came back in seven, but I was 24 years old.

Speaker 5 23, 24 years old. I mean, at 34 years old, it's a little bit different.
And we got a stacked team. It really does not make sense to, you know, rush back, hurry up and come back.

Speaker 5 You know what I'm saying? If I'm ready to go, I'm going to play.

Speaker 5 But if I'm not, it really don't make sense to rush back just to say, you know, I made it back for week one.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Are you taking mental reps?

Speaker 5 I'm so active. You can ask Jordan, man.
I'm so active in the meeting room at practice.

Speaker 5 Sometimes I ask questions not only for me, but for everybody in the room. You know, year 13,

Speaker 5 being

Speaker 5 on so many different defenses. You know, I just ask questions not only for me, but just for everybody to kind of be in the same spot.

Speaker 4 That's smart, too, because you can be like, I'm not asking this dumb question for me, but everybody else is probably wondering.

Speaker 1 But I take it, man.

Speaker 5 I don't mind asking the dumb questions, but half of them would be for me and the other half would be for everybody. Us too.

Speaker 1 That's kind of the model of our podcast.

Speaker 4 Ask a lot of dumb questions.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like PFT was wondering if you're still farting in meeting rooms and you should get a fart fine.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 I actually been a whole lot better. Like I did like this.

Speaker 5 I did like this blood diet, right? And they told me like what foods I digest the best and what foods like cause inflammation in my gut or like, you know, performance like draining or whatever.

Speaker 5 And ever since I just, ever since I started sticking to that, like I've been great instead of 45 farts a day, I probably have like two or three.

Speaker 1 So that's good.

Speaker 5 It doesn't get like crazy. As long as I just, as long as I just like stick to that, eggs was a big one for me.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Before I was eating, I wasn't eating like any pork or anything like that. And I was eating like a six-egg omelette in the morning.

Speaker 5 After I took the test, like eggs caused so much inflammation in my gut. And so I was eating like eggs and dairy.
And those are the two things that I'm not supposed to have.

Speaker 1 You just walked in the room eating a pizza, though.

Speaker 5 That's why I was crazy. I mean, it's just a little cheese on there.
So it's not going to get crazy.

Speaker 1 45 farts a day. That's, that's work.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 eggs was like the big one. So as soon as I took that off of like my diet, like things changed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 I think last time you were on the show, we were talking about your chickens, too. You still got your chickens?

Speaker 5 Yeah, Green and Pastures chicken. It's in Elgin, Texas.
We've got about 60 acres.

Speaker 5 It's doing pretty well.

Speaker 5 It's me, Patrick Mahomes, and Drew Brees. We're all owners in Green and Pastures now.
So it's growing. It's got some big names behind it now.
So I'm super excited.

Speaker 5 It went from taking a class to help on my GPA in college to

Speaker 5 being my plan B. It might even be my plan A.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so you were saying that you had some chickens named after Peyton Manning last time some some of your Broncos teammates you have any bills chickens oh no them chickens they they long gone that was like

Speaker 5 that was like eight years ago yeah they long gone they look they uh they long gone they um they was lunch a long long time ago but now but now like it's it's so huge like the operation is so huge that it's it's definitely outgrown like you know the personal chickens but I still have like chickens at home like in my mom and dad's house which they probably got like 30 birds and so it still has that that personal you know aspect of it but I'm not I'm not naming them that.

Speaker 4 But you also just kind of undercut yourself a little bit because you said eggs make you fart, and you got a chicken farm.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's that's bad market. Yeah,

Speaker 5 I mean, um, as far as like uh, you know, you got you got two different types of uh operations: you got the layers that uh that lay eggs all day, and you got the broilers, those are the ones that you that you eat.

Speaker 5 I'm mainly involved in the broiler side of it, okay, the meat production side of it, um, like

Speaker 5 thighs, uh, chicken tenders, whole birds, quarters, you know, half wings, you know, yeah, wings, whatever you want. So, you know, eggs, they're good.
I just don't, I just don't eat them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you mentioned Texas.

Speaker 1 This past year, I feel like there was a lot of talk about Texas A ⁇ M being a cult. Yeah.

Speaker 1 When you see those clips, are you like, uh-oh, they're finding out more and more about us these days? And I got to take my ring off and maybe chill out for a second.

Speaker 5 No, no, I mean, Texas A ⁇ M, we have real traditions that are over 100 years old. And the great thing about Calaisation is everybody buys into every single tradition, whether that's

Speaker 1 a cult. You're explaining a cult.
Whether that's the ring dunk,

Speaker 5 whether that's the ring dunk or, you know, standing up before football games or the midnight yell, everybody really buys into the school spirit there. So I guess I can have the optics of that.

Speaker 5 But, you know, everybody just loves Texas A and them. And they bleed maroon and white

Speaker 5 every single year. And, you know, probably over half of the students that we have,

Speaker 5 their fathers or their mothers went there or their cousins went there. So

Speaker 1 there's a huge

Speaker 1 ding, ding, ding, midnight. They drink the Kool-Aid.

Speaker 4 At midnight meetings, they light stuff on fire and they wear all white.

Speaker 1 That sounds great. That sounds great.

Speaker 5 No, I mean, they really buy into

Speaker 5 the school spirit there, man. And I've been to a lot of colleges.

Speaker 5 you know, after I visited Tay Zan M, there's really nothing like it for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, college football, as goofy as it seems, like, it is about tradition. So don't apologize for tradition.
I mean, I love it.

Speaker 5 I mean, you can call it a cult. I can see how it comes across across as that.
But I love Texas A ⁇ M. I believe Maroon and White.
I got my Texas A ⁇ M tattoo right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're not a cult.

Speaker 1 I like the Super Bowl tattoo on your thigh.

Speaker 5 Super Bowl tattoo. That one's sick.

Speaker 4 Do you only have one or do you have a second one?

Speaker 5 I haven't got a second one yet, but I'm going to get it yet. I'm going to get it.
Run out of space. I just got like, you know, I've been doing this for

Speaker 1 18 years.

Speaker 5 I've been doing this since I was 18, so I've been doing this a while, man. And I'm running out of space.
So so I got to hear me.

Speaker 4 You know, it'll be sick if every time you wanna Super Bowl, you get the Lombardi tattoo on your eye.

Speaker 1 That'd be real. That'd be nice.
Like a teardrop. Yeah.
I have

Speaker 5 four Lombardi's under the mouth right now.

Speaker 4 Did the second one, was it as meaningful as the first one?

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was.

Speaker 5 You know, they're two totally different experiences, but they're both special to me. They're kind of like, you know, my kids.
Like,

Speaker 5 I got two sons, and I love them both the same, but they're two totally

Speaker 5 different beings.

Speaker 5 And that was the same with the Super Bowl in LA and the Super Bowl with the Denver Broncos. That was my first one.
I won Super Bowl MVP.

Speaker 5 We were the huge underdogs in that. And we wanted for Peyton Manning and Demarcus Ware and Coach Kubiak and

Speaker 5 Wade Phillips and all of those guys. And we won nine games that season within three points a list.
So we had to scratch and fight all the way through the year to get there.

Speaker 5 So it was a really, really special experience. We had went to the Super Bowl two years before and lost.

Speaker 5 We're supposed to go to the Super Bowl before that with Peyton Manning. And, you know, we got put out the first round by the Annapolis Coach.
So it was a special experience. And then

Speaker 1 I'm with the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 5 We were struggling. And I walk into the facility and I get traded.
Didn't even know, like, didn't even have the slightest idea that I was about to get traded. I get traded to the Los Angeles Rams.

Speaker 1 I'm like, man, how are you guys going to afford me?

Speaker 5 Y'all got AD and Matthew Stafford and Jalen Ramsey. And, you know, they paid like my whole salary for me to go.
And, you know,

Speaker 5 I go there. And right when I land on the plane, it was just focusing on winning the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 And, you know, AD had been there like, I think, two or three years before, and they lost to the Patriots.

Speaker 5 So, all the knowledge that I had from my two Super Bowl experiences before, gave it to those guys, and they just like

Speaker 5 ate it up like goldfish, man. And

Speaker 5 everybody was on board to win a Super Bowl. And, you know, we lost the last game of the season to the 49ers.
If we would have won that, we'd have been a number one seed.

Speaker 5 But we lose that, and we end up being the number four seed. We got to go to Tampa to play Tom Brady at home.
And he was the underdogs there. We win like

Speaker 5 at the very, very end of the game. And then we play the,

Speaker 5 now the 49ers go to Green Bay and they beat Green Bay at their spot. Now we play them back at home.

Speaker 5 We ended up beating those guys, which

Speaker 5 we hadn't beat the team in like the last four games. And we scratched one out and win that.

Speaker 5 And then we play our Super Bowl in our stadium and a tough fall game with Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bingles and win that. So they're both totally different, but they both were extremely special.

Speaker 1 So talking about that Rams Super Bowl run, are there moments, even as a professional athlete, where you're like, well, that was really lucky. We needed that luck.

Speaker 1 I'm mostly thinking about the 49ers dropped interception in the NFC championship game. Do you guys like afterwards like, well, that was

Speaker 1 you need luck sometimes.

Speaker 5 You need luck 100%.

Speaker 5 Especially in football, it's not like basketball where you get seven games to really decide a winner. You get one hour.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Either you own or you're not. If you go back to the 2015 Super Bowl, when we played the Carolina Panthers, like if we play those guys 10 times, I don't see us beating those guys.
You know,

Speaker 5 we probably beat those guys twice. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 5 They had one of the most amazing offenses and amazing teams in NFL history with Cam Noon MVP and Luke Keekly on defense. So we were able to just scratch one out and win that one.

Speaker 5 So it takes a little bit of luck.

Speaker 5 What I try to really preach to these guys here is really the mental aspect of it. What separate good teams from other good teams is really the mental.

Speaker 5 Who is showing up on Sunday?

Speaker 5 What are we doing? Is everybody on the same page? Are we capitalizing on each and every opportunity that we get? Sometimes you don't get those opportunities. And that's just how football goes.

Speaker 5 But, you know, once the ball bounce our way, we got to take advantage of each and every opportunity that the other team presents itself. And still need that little element of luck.

Speaker 5 And, you know, you just got to. keep fighting it out.

Speaker 1 And that's where we're at here with the Buffalo Bills, man.

Speaker 5 We just need another shot at it. Got unlucky last year with a lot of injuries.
And now we got Josh Allen back with year six. And we got a better team than what we had last year.

Speaker 5 Healthy defense, healthy offense. and you just take another shot at it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, do you ever feel like you're in the zone when you're pass rushing? Like every single thing that you're breaking out is going to work. It's a fake spin move.
It's, you know, speed, power.

Speaker 4 It's all clicking?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, right when I'm driving up to the stadium, like, it's just like this transition from...

Speaker 5 the jokester von and you know the playful vun to like the quiet von focusing on the next play and anticipating like what the offense does like i barely even talk to my teammates like you you can ask jordan like i barely even talk to my teammates i got the pacifier mouthpiece and it's just like i'm just big eyes and I'm just I'm really just focusing on making a play for my team.

Speaker 5 So transition from the playful Vaughn, the joking vaughn to like Terminator, like focusing on making plays.

Speaker 1 So speaking of your pass rushing, the ghost move, you've perfected it. It's the coolest thing to watch.
People don't know it.

Speaker 1 Vaughn basically waits for the offensive lineman to try to punch out at him and he dips under him. And like when it happens, it usually ends up in a sack.

Speaker 1 Have you had a ghost move where the offensive lineman afterwards is like, what the fuck was that, dude? Like, how did you do that? Because it is, it's something special to watch on film.

Speaker 5 I think, you know, the ghost move is

Speaker 5 definitely, it's a cool move to watch. You know, not only me, but all the guys that are able to do it, it's a cool move to watch because you dip the guy and you have to stay on balance.

Speaker 5 But out of 123 and a half sacks that I have, I probably got.

Speaker 5 Four of them, four sacks out of that are ghost moves and everybody just highlights those sacks But you know, I really don't try to focus on that.

Speaker 5 I really try to focus on anticipating the snap count, getting the best jump that I can on the ball, and I just try to dictate the rush.

Speaker 5 I don't want the offensive lineman to jump back and be waiting on me to get there.

Speaker 5 I don't want to wrestle with this guy all game. I want to get a great jump.
I want to really be in tune with the snap count and

Speaker 5 the play clock and the situation in the game. And, you know, if that happens, it's just like a curveball.
That's all it is, is a curveball. I long on guys all day.

Speaker 5 And if it's open, you know, I take that chance. But

Speaker 5 it's it's really it's really a curveball i understand how it's highlighted because it's it looks cool it looks it looks it looks cool but i really it's just it's just really a curveball have you double ghosted anyone before i have i've uh ghosted a tight end and ghosted the uh the i saw i was getting chipped and a ghost they got and the llama came out and a ghost they got too so it wasn't on purpose it was just like that's all i had to do yeah have you have you ever done a fake ghost one way then ghost back the other way no that's a lot that would be a

Speaker 5 maybe that's the next one that's a lot because you got to get a great jump so all of my momentum is going forward. And then show a ghost and I probably had to spin back around and that ghost.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's a lot.

Speaker 5 You only get 2.2 seconds to get to the quarterback.

Speaker 4 The fake ghost would be an awesome move if you could pull it off.

Speaker 4 That's the next level. Is there a quarterback that you like hitting more than others?

Speaker 5 I just like getting my job done.

Speaker 5 I don't want guys to see this and you're like, well, you said you don't like psychic.

Speaker 5 You know, everybody has pride in this league, and I don't want to amp none of these guys up.

Speaker 1 You'd say Phillip Rivers. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, Phillip, he did give me he he did help out my career a lot

Speaker 5 i love i love phillip rivers though he loves shit talking too right like but he doesn't he doesn't cuss yeah he doesn't but he never really did that to me that's crazy i sacked him 17 times and yeah you know he never was your favorite to sack that's

Speaker 5 after actually after phillip rivers like retired we became like like super close man like i spent time with him in mississippi at the senior bowl um there's like a senior bowl hall of fame and you know i've seen him at the pro bowl and stuff and i've been able to give him his flowers, and we've become closer

Speaker 5 after he retired than what we were when we were playing. So

Speaker 5 I love Phillip Rivers. I especially love him on the football field, but I love him all the fields as well.

Speaker 1 So you were talking about plan A, plan B.

Speaker 1 You've also talked about potentially being a GM for an NFL team.

Speaker 1 You also said that Drew Locke is a rock star. And when you were on our show in 2018, said Mitch Trubisky is special.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You still think he's going to be a GM?

Speaker 5 I wasn't lying about none of those guys. I mean,

Speaker 5 Drew Lager, I mean, he was a rock star.

Speaker 1 He is a rock star.

Speaker 1 Mitch Trubisky is special.

Speaker 5 I mean, I didn't say like the guy's the best quarterback in the league. Yeah, true.

Speaker 1 That's smart.

Speaker 5 Better than Patrick Mahomes or like anything like that. But I feel like, you know, with the right coach and the right quarterback, that's the trick.

Speaker 5 You got to really find the right coach, right quarterback, and really build the structure, the infrastructure of the team.

Speaker 5 Not only the coaches, but the cafeteria workers and the janitors and the front office people. And And I really have a, I feel like I have,

Speaker 5 I feel like I can put a championship team together, not because I just have this special talent. It's because I just compare it to the other teams that I've been on.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's just great to have a good janitor. Awesome to have good cafeteria food.
Even better to have a good quarterback.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 True. Yeah, I mean, always, you're not always going to be able to get a quarterback.

Speaker 5 It's hard to find a Josh Allen. It's hard to find a Patrick Mahomes.
But you still got to be able to put a

Speaker 5 competitive product on the field.

Speaker 4 Didn't you say that Drew Locke had the most impressive incomplete pass that you've ever seen in practice one time?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I did. I did.
I did.

Speaker 5 I did. It was, he had threw it.

Speaker 5 I don't know if he thought the receiver was going to beat her or not, but like, you know, he threw this ball and the way he like stepped into it, it was super nice. Rock stress.

Speaker 5 I'm always, another thing, too, about being a player, like. I'm going to ample my guys.
Like, you know, from a gym,

Speaker 5 from a gym and a, in a, from a gym or a talent evaluation perspective, it's totally different.

Speaker 5 But when I'm on a team with guys, like, every guy that I play with, whether that's my D-Tac on the inside or the quarterback across the field, like I just, I'm optimistic like that.

Speaker 5 I believe in my guys. But from a talent evaluation, it's totally different.

Speaker 1 So do you think you really want to pursue this? Because that's a lot of work.

Speaker 1 And I always, I'm always curious about a guy like you who has done such great things, future Hall of Famer, made a ton of money. You then want to go back and grind and be in the office all the time?

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 5 I mean, it's just the perspective that you have on it. Like, I really enjoy

Speaker 5 evaluating talent. I really enjoy putting the right coach with the right player.

Speaker 5 Creating a, I think I would really enjoy, you know, creating a team like the Buffalo Bills have. So I don't think it's, I don't think it's, if you look at it as work, then it's going to be work.
Like

Speaker 5 you don't want to go to work. I got to look at these guys.
But I don't really look at it like that. This is something I've been doing my whole entire life.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 I've been playing football since I was in the fifth grade, like evaluating talent since I was in the fifth grade. So it's just something that it doesn't really feel like work to me.

Speaker 5 I mean, maybe when I get there, like it'll be totally different. But been around around the great gyms that I've been around from Brandon Bean, Les Snead,

Speaker 5 George Payton, John Elway,

Speaker 5 John Lynch. Like, you know, you can't really look at it like work.

Speaker 1 So, so evaluate this talent. Tell us maybe a edge rusher who doesn't get talked about a lot, who you're like, he is elite, and

Speaker 1 he needs more shine.

Speaker 5 It's a lot of them in the league. I think

Speaker 5 I think Jalen Phillips for the Miami Dolphins is a really good pass rusher. I think,

Speaker 5 you know, just it's just a matter of time before he blows up. He has all the tools.
He has a great get-off.

Speaker 5 He's long. He's super strong.
He's in the right scheme, especially with Coach Fengio.

Speaker 5 I think over time,

Speaker 5 he'd become one of the top pass rushers in the league.

Speaker 5 Everybody knows a Miles Garrett or guys like that.

Speaker 5 I like,

Speaker 5 I think

Speaker 5 the kid in Houston would be great.

Speaker 1 Will Anderson.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they're comparing him to you.

Speaker 5 I mean, that's great. I think he'd be great.
I saw some clips, and he's really explosive. I think once he likes, once it's just a matter of time for him,

Speaker 5 I really like,

Speaker 5 of course, you know, like Nick Boson, Joey Boson, all those guys.

Speaker 5 I like Nuasu, like the

Speaker 5 pass rusher for the Seattle Seahawks. He just signed a great deal.
That was a great pickup for those guys.

Speaker 5 And the right scheme, he's been productive for a long time, especially with the Los Angeles Chargers. So it's a lot of guys,

Speaker 5 especially I got a lot of rookies coming in, too.

Speaker 5 I like the kid for the Oakland Raiders, not Oakland Raiders, but the Las Vegas Raiders. He's going to be rotating with Chandler Jones and Max Crosby.

Speaker 5 He's been injured to start it off, but when he was at Texas Tech, I think his Tyree.

Speaker 1 Oh, he just got drafted. His name is Tyree.

Speaker 4 It's weird to say Texas Tech defensive player drafted high.

Speaker 1 It's like the first time in 20 years.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, he has all the tools, and it's just a matter of time.

Speaker 5 But then again, like you know it's it's you hit and miss as well like guys had jj watt went number he was picked number 14 i think number 14 and number 12 and patrick mahomes is picked in the double digits as well so you hit and miss all the time like so you just got to get lucky um i think you really got to listen to the guys around you too if i'm in a situation where i have like uh guys around me um that can really you know show me like i'll be able to listen to those guys and other guys too we got guys on our team as well from you know greg Rousseau is going to have a breakout year.

Speaker 5 I didn't want to, like,

Speaker 5 look at my guys, but we really have a lot of talent on this team. Greg Rousseau is going to have a breakout year.

Speaker 1 I love Ed Oliver.

Speaker 5 Ed Oliver.

Speaker 4 Are you and him, you guys ride horses together?

Speaker 5 No, we don't. We talk about horses all the time, though.
You got to remember when Ed Oliver was in college,

Speaker 5 he was on the Heisman watch.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He was a coat taken away from him, though.
He's considered like.

Speaker 5 He was considered like one of the

Speaker 5 best,

Speaker 5 the best defensive player that that whole year. So, Ed Oliver is great, and it's just a matter of time for Ed Oliver and Gregory.

Speaker 5 So, I didn't want to like, you know, of course, I'm around these guys all day, but those two guys, I had to talk about those guys as well.

Speaker 1 Those are good answers.

Speaker 4 So, what about where do we stand right now with your dad? You still kiss him on the lips?

Speaker 5 I try to.

Speaker 1 I try to.

Speaker 5 I try to, and I might get him too. He might be sleep, you know, but he might be sleeping.
I might just kiss him on the lips. But, you know, me and my dad got a very, very special relationship, man.

Speaker 1 Sleeping, kissing him on the lips. You know,

Speaker 5 we just got a special relationship man and i'm very very fortunate now me being a dad as well like i want to have like that same type of relationship with my kids you know we joke around and spend time together so you know shout out to my dad shout out to my mom too she does a great job as well and you know i i gotta i'm blessed to have you know a great mom a great dad and beautiful children i mean i so when you first that clip happened i i've become a dad since we you first came on and yeah i kiss my kids on the lips all the time there is some times though every now and then like where my son will like grab the back of my head and i'm like whoa dude That's too much where it's like all right

Speaker 1 To come in for the kiss. I'm like all right my son.

Speaker 5 He's he's 23 months. So he'd be he'd be two years in a month.
So I just just to be able to communicate with him like give that give dad a kiss and him do it is super special.

Speaker 5 So yeah, you know, whatever I man, I want to have the same relationship that I had with my dad with my with my kids as well. That's awesome.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's great. Was he mad at you when you said that?

Speaker 5 No, he wasn't. We talk about it all the time, actually.

Speaker 1 We talk about it all the time.

Speaker 5 And, you know, sometimes he's in the mood for it. You know, sometimes sometimes he's grumpy.

Speaker 4 How can you tell he's in the mood for it?

Speaker 1 It just depends.

Speaker 5 You know, you know, our parents be. You know, sometimes, you know, they had a long day, you don't feel like playing, but I still do it, and he'll be grumpy.

Speaker 5 You know, sometimes he'll see me off top, and he'll try to kiss me. So,

Speaker 5 you know, it's, it's, uh, we gotta, we gotta, we gotta, he probably, he'd never admit that, but yeah, he, I love my dad, and uh, we gotta, we got a special relationship with shit.

Speaker 1 That's great.

Speaker 4 When we were sitting down prepping for this interview, I was going back, reading some of some of the news stories about you in the past. You remember when the NFL used to test for weed?

Speaker 4 How stupid was that

Speaker 5 i mean they still do

Speaker 5 supposedly do they oh they still do they still do but um you know i think it's just i think it's just like you know with anything else like it's just not

Speaker 5 I don't think it's it's not what you do, it's just how you do it. And I think

Speaker 5 if you're really responsible and whatever you do, like, you know, if you always put football first and got your priorities first, I mean, you know, everything else, it comes after that.

Speaker 5 It doesn't matter if it's basketball, baseball, soccer, you know, as long as you put your priorities first and you're responsible.

Speaker 5 And, you know, like I said, it's not about what you do, but, but how you do it.

Speaker 4 It's just insane to me that looking back,

Speaker 4 if we fast forward like 20, 30 years from now, thinking back to like the start of the 2000s where it was like a serious deal in the NFL. Guys getting suspended, having their money taken away.

Speaker 5 I've been in the league 13 years and so much has changed in this decade. So, you know, before like it was, like it was, it was crazy, like guys getting suspended.

Speaker 5 Like, you know, now it's like, you know, it's not even as serious as it was.

Speaker 5 I think the more knowledge that they have around it and the more, um, the more education that we get, like, and just the perception of it, you know, as time passes on, like, you know, things will change.

Speaker 5 But, you know, like I said, this is a multi-billion dollar organization. Like, you don't want to be promoting

Speaker 1 stuff like that.

Speaker 5 But at the same time, once you have education and

Speaker 5 once you really get to the bottom of it,

Speaker 5 it's not as serious as it used to be. 20 years from now, like, my son gets ready to come in the league that we might not even be like testing for us mandatory smoke sessions.

Speaker 1 Yeah

Speaker 1 Are you still doing the Halloween party?

Speaker 5 No here at Buffalo

Speaker 5 is Josh Allen's okay.

Speaker 1 He's got the Halloween party. So that's probably good that's off

Speaker 5 Yeah, man, that Halloween party was crazy man, especially like leaving like my last Halloween party that I threw in Denver like the the type of

Speaker 5 The shit that we went through like with that Halloween party is crazy from guys going to jail.

Speaker 1 Well, we had Chad Kelly on the show. He's a friend of ours.
Yeah. He explained the whole situation.
We now completely, you know, defend him. He was like flying back and forth cross-country.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He had a girl come in. So it was just a, you know, it was a perfect storm for him.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and, you know,

Speaker 5 I hate that. I hate that happened because it's all fun.
Like, it was all supposed to be fun. Like, just think about it.

Speaker 5 Halloween teammates, private party, invite all the sports in Denver, basketball, soccer, you know, everybody else. It was meant to be a great time.
You know, we had

Speaker 5 so many different ways to secure the venue. It was meant to be a great time.
I hate that happened to Chad for sure.

Speaker 1 Have you talked to Jim Kelly about it at all? No, I haven't. I've seen Jim.
That'd be funny if he was like, hey.

Speaker 5 No, I've seen Jim a couple of times, but I steer away from that for sure.

Speaker 1 Chad's crushing it, though. He's killing it in Canadian football.

Speaker 4 He's right across the border.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You should invite him to a Halloween party this year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I got to ask Josh, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we'll talk. We'll tell Josh.

Speaker 5 That is Josh's deal. He had a Halloween party last year, and it was great.
I mean, you know, it's not like, you know, I mean,

Speaker 5 it's Josh Allen during the party and Von Miller during the party. Like, you can still have fun.
It's just in different ways.

Speaker 1 It's different.

Speaker 1 It's still fun. It's the nicest way to say that your parties are way more lit.

Speaker 1 It's still fun.

Speaker 5 It's just different.

Speaker 1 This is a different kind of thing.

Speaker 4 I would rather go to the Von Miller house.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're both fun.

Speaker 5 I mean, Josh Allen, like, man, Josh Allen is one of the guys. Like, he's not like other quarterbacks.
Like,

Speaker 1 he could hang out.

Speaker 4 He hang out with the defensive alignment and the offensive alignment alignment all day and the receivers like he's running around like nut checking guys and like you know playing prank pranks and you know he's a he's a great golfer like he's one of the boys yeah what's the etiquette on that because me and big cat had a thing we used to hit each other in the nuts for like the first year year and a half of the podcast it got taken a little bit too far it was a hard nut shot involved so we agreed to a truce um that still happens though in the nfl guys just go around so i you know i've been on a couple of teams in denver like everybody knew me there like so it's a little bit different.

Speaker 5 You know, once you got to know it, you got to really know a guy.

Speaker 4 Yeah, how long when you get into town, like,

Speaker 4 you show up in L.A., right? How long until you hit the first nutshot? I didn't do it at all.

Speaker 5 I was only there for half a season.

Speaker 5 It was all like winning Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 And, like, of course, you know, of course, like...

Speaker 5 I let my personality, you know, I let show them my personality. But, you know, every day, especially you got Aaron Donald, like, you don't want to walk him in nut checking Aaron Donald.

Speaker 5 Like, that'd be crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What about here?

Speaker 4 You nutchecking anybody?

Speaker 5 No, I mean, still, like, you know, it's still like,

Speaker 5 I'm 13 years in the league too now. Like, I'm 34 years old.

Speaker 5 So it's just a different perspective. And I think really leaving Denver, it kind of like, you know, helped me like grow like on my own.

Speaker 5 Cause in Denver, I will always be looked at as, you know, Von Miller. I was a rookie there.
Yeah. You know, grew up there.
You know, I had my first kid there. Like, you could all,

Speaker 5 it's only so much that you can do to really break out of that perception. You know, and then you go from Denver from just being Vaughn to like LA, Von Miller, like, help us win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 And then we win a Super Bowl. Then you come here with the Buffalo Bills, and it's all about winning Super Bowls as well.
So

Speaker 5 I always, I let my hair down and you can ask Jay, like I joke, and I fuck around, but like, you know, it's, it's, it's really like, I'm the oldest guy on the team.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you do. Yeah, it's the same.

Speaker 5 I'm the oldest guy, like, I'm the oldest guy on the team.

Speaker 1 Like, that makes it be a little weird feeling.

Speaker 5 It's crazy. Like, I'm 34 years old.
I'm the oldest guy on the team. So it's just, no, it's just, it's just, you know, I'd still joke around and fucking around with the guys.

Speaker 5 But like, you know, it's just some stuff that I do, some stuff that I don't.

Speaker 4 Yeah. How many more years you got on your deal?

Speaker 4 five, so you could play till you're 39.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I could play till I'm 39. Yeah, that's, I mean, in my mind, like, I mean, if I if I leave the Buffalo Bills, I'm done.

Speaker 1 Like, if

Speaker 5 Bean trade me, like, I'm done. Like, wherever I get to, I'm done.
Like, I'm wrapping them up. Like, this is my last stop.
Like, this, I love this place. Um, I love Rochester.
I love Buffalo.

Speaker 5 I love my teammates.

Speaker 4 They're going to build a statue of you guys if you're in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 We're going to win. We're going to win.

Speaker 5 I love the way

Speaker 5 the infrastructure of this team, you know, Coach McDermott, like Brandon Bean, our position coach, Coach Washington, he's the best defensive line coach that I've ever had.

Speaker 5 And, you know, he focuses on really teaching the man and then, you know, the player a learn. So you have like a mentor in there.

Speaker 5 And, you know, we still fuck around and joke in there, but he gets serious as well. He's got a military background as well.
He commands respect from his guys.

Speaker 5 And, you know, he wants to see everybody win. So I just have a really, really special environment here.
And I want to stay here and play as long as possible.

Speaker 5 I got, you know, three more years guaranteed on my deal, uh, five more years on the contract. Like, we win two or three Super Bowls, like, man, I'll be done.

Speaker 4 That's a good deal that you signed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a good deal.

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Speaker 1 So you mentioned, you mentioned the people of Buffalo.

Speaker 1 How much, so the story goes that when you got here last year, you didn't like the toilet paper, and then Bill's mafia sent you, how much toilet paper did they actually send you?

Speaker 5 Man, they went crazy. It was like boxes.

Speaker 5 If I'm thinking about rows, it's probably like 400 rows.

Speaker 1 Jesus,

Speaker 1 that's that.

Speaker 5 Then it was sending wipes too. They sent like vegan wipes and then they sent like specialty wipes, wipes that I never even heard of.

Speaker 5 Like, you know, you heard like do wipes and all that stuff, too, but they had like all type of like special wipes come. And it was great.

Speaker 5 But this year, coming in, like, I think I was just kind of shell-shocked last year, too, because I was coming from LA, like, like Calabasas.

Speaker 5 You know, I was looking at a house like next to Kylie Jenner and down the street from Lil Wayne and those guys. And then, you know, I'm in Buffalo and I live next to Coach McDermott.

Speaker 5 So it's like, it's just, it was just, it was just,

Speaker 5 it just took me a second. And me and Jordan, we signed on the same day.
And I, you know, he, he had went, he started, he started his career here, went to Arizona, and then he came back here.

Speaker 5 And I was like, Jordan, like, hey, why? Like, Buffalo? He's like, bro, you're going to love it here. And, you know, it took me a second, but like, it just, it just eats at you, man.

Speaker 5 And I'm, like, I fucking love this place, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 It is, it is one of the best cities in the country. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love it here.

Speaker 5 If you really love playing football, right? Yeah.

Speaker 5 So if you, if you love playing football, you're all about about football, you want to win a Super Bowl, like all the other, like, you know, the stars and the glittery stuff, it really don't matter.

Speaker 5 Like, I've been playing football my whole entire life, like, I want to win another Super Bowl. This gives me the best chance to do it with Josh Allen, our defense.

Speaker 5 Um, not only that, the infrastructure that we have, we're going as long as Brandon Bean is a GM and Coach McDermott is a coach, and we got Josh Allen, we're going to be able to have a competitive product each and every year.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so you like the cold weather?

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 5 um, I have a special relationship with the cold weather. I don't think anybody likes the cold weather, but I like the advantage that it gives for me.
I'm rushing the passer.

Speaker 5 I'm not throwing the ball, catching the ball, none of that. I'm wrapping my fingers up, and I'm going out there, and nobody wants to come to Buffalo.

Speaker 5 We don't have the nice hotels for teams when they come here. You're staying in

Speaker 1 Quinto.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you stand in like, you know, you're not staying in a five-star, you know, four seasons, like, you know, the Ritz Carlton type of hotel here. Like, people don't want to come to Buffalo.

Speaker 5 It's cold.

Speaker 5 Our defense is here. You got Jordan Phillips, you know, cracking God's skulls, and I'm jumping to Snap Count.
And we got Jordan Poirier and Micah Hyde. Nobody wants to come here and play.

Speaker 5 That's why I really enjoy the code because it gives me an extra advantage.

Speaker 4 When you see a lineman and they're wearing sleeves, are you like, pussy?

Speaker 1 Does that give you an edge?

Speaker 5 No, I mean, I wear sleeves. I wear defense.

Speaker 1 You're allowed to actually.

Speaker 4 You play defense.

Speaker 5 No, not really, man. Because, you know, in this league, man,

Speaker 5 I really try to not

Speaker 5 to pass judgment. When I see a lineman in Jordan cleats, though, like, yeah i do like i that's just one thing

Speaker 5 yeah it's just like what are you doing yeah you're supposed to be a hard nosed like yeah tough ass like lineman and you got like jordan cleats that are supposed to be like size 10 or size 11 and you got a size 16 long ass jordan cleat you know

Speaker 1 you know what i'm saying like you do look goofy online so i don't really like i don't like passing stereotypes on guys man because it's ballers and jordan cleats as well now but that's a wide receiver cleat i mean not even wide receivers i just i don't know when i see offensive linemen, it's just like, bro, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 Yeah, those.

Speaker 5 He's supposed to be like a tough, like, you know, barbarian.

Speaker 1 You're out here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 All right. Well, I have one last question.
Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 last question you played with aaron donald for the rams won a super bowl were there any moments where you rushed the passer and you're like where is everyone and then you realize they were all just trying to block aaron donald like did it did it were there moments where you're like my job is significantly easier because everyone just cares about him you know to be honest that was one of the toughest situations too, like to leave Aaron Donald.

Speaker 5 Like, you know, fuck with, like, fuck with like if we're going to win games or not, or like, if we're going to have, like, just by playing with Aaron Donald and Leonard Floyd, and Leonard Floyd is over here with us now.

Speaker 5 But, you know, just by playing with Aaron Donald, Leonard Floyd, Greg Gaines, like, it was, if we could have had that for a couple of more years, like, I knew I could have racked up sacks.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you know, they're going to slide in double and triple team Aaron Donald. So I just go away from Aaron Donald, me and Greg Gaines, and we're going to get the two-on-two each and every time.

Speaker 5 So, you know, Aaron Donald is a great player, man.

Speaker 5 And that was one of the, you know, that was one of the toughest situations. I got great players here, and I think they were just meant for me.

Speaker 5 All the things that I learned from Aaron Donald, being around Aaron Donald, I tell that to Ed Oliver, and I tell that to, you know, Greg Rousseau and Jordan Phillips.

Speaker 5 And I just, I tell them all the things that made him great. And, you know, iron sharpens iron.

Speaker 5 And if we could just get a taste of that, nobody could ever be like Aaron Donald, but if they could just get a taste of that and be like that in any way, man, we'd be good.

Speaker 1 good. Yeah.
Yeah. Love it.

Speaker 5 Especially Ed Oliver, man. Like, you know,

Speaker 5 he's super special. And once he like, once he like really, really like taps into like his Super Saiyan 10 mode, like he'll be special as well.

Speaker 5 I wouldn't say, you know, Aaron Donald is his own creature, but Ed Oliver would be able to create his own way just like Aaron Donald. He has all the tools necessary to be great in his life.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's a beast. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He just doesn't have a coat. That clip is funny.
Have you ever given him shit for it?

Speaker 1 We talked about it.

Speaker 5 We talked about it. And he said, you know, the coach has said that he was you know they him and the coach they like talked about it like after and they was it dana i don't think no

Speaker 5 no he went there they uh i forgot the coach name but they they're on good terms now they talked about it it was just like

Speaker 1 for people who don't know they ed oliver was injured and he had a coat on on the sideline and they took his coat away they're like this is only for players he's the best he's the best player in college football yeah no it was the craziest clip offense or defense and they

Speaker 1 how do you take another man's coat away the coach said he was tripping though yeah it was petty. It was the pettiest move I've ever seen.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, sometimes, too, like, that's what I like about this place. Like, you know, Coach McDermott and Coach Washington and Brandon Bean, like, they just, like, get it.
It's all about winning.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And that's one of the special things about LA as well.
Like, Coach McVay, he didn't care about anything but winning.

Speaker 5 Like, and he didn't care about how you got there, whatever you did to prepare.

Speaker 5 He cared about the product on the field. And these guys are the same way, man.

Speaker 1 He cared about his beard a lot.

Speaker 5 You don't want a coach to get in the way. You don't want to have a fire.

Speaker 1 You don't want to coach these lines up. He definitely cares about his beard.

Speaker 4 He's always shirtless. Yeah.
Yeah. He likes his thirst straps.

Speaker 1 He does a little, he sees the barber a little too often. Did you talk about Coach McVay? Yeah.
He actually came up to us in Indy one year.

Speaker 1 He's like, why are you guys giving me shit about my beard all the time?

Speaker 1 Well, now that we know this bothers you, we're going to do it more.

Speaker 5 Coach McVay, he's cool, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's the best.

Speaker 5 He's, I mean, all these, all these, man, you got to be a special guy to command respect out of all of these barbarians that's on these football families, man.

Speaker 1 It's not an easy job.

Speaker 5 You know, shout out to the Rams and the Denver Broncos and, the Buffalo Bills as well, man. I've been blessed to play in three great franchises for sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Real quick, we talked a little bit about Ed and his horse. Another Denver guy just won a championship in the NBA who's obsessed with horses.
Jokic.

Speaker 1 I didn't know that. Yeah, he's obsessed with racing horses.

Speaker 5 Does he ride him or does he just breed him?

Speaker 4 He used to ride him, but then he became

Speaker 1 too big.

Speaker 5 So he's seven foot. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He was doing the chariot. He's a chariot racing.

Speaker 1 He won a horse racing championship back home, and he looked happier than he did when he won the NBA terror finals.

Speaker 5 Oh, that's crazy. I didn't know that, man.
But Yoki,

Speaker 5 he's a great dude, man.

Speaker 5 I've

Speaker 5 talked to him after games, and we swapped jerseys and stuff. And, you know, congratulations to the Denver Nuggets as well, because they've been at the brink of it for a very long time.

Speaker 5 And I've been in Denver. I was in Denver, and I got to Denver in 2011, so I saw the progression.

Speaker 5 I saw the progression, and the teams get better and better. And Jamal Mary had been injured, and now he was healthy, and we have been close for a long time.

Speaker 1 So it's cool to see those guys win a championship show yeah well vaughn we love having you on man thank you good lot favorite guests so good luck

Speaker 1 for you and josh in the city of buffalo yes sir thank you gigam appreciate you go there you go oh there it is the cult comes back in

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Speaker 1 Okay, Mount Rushmore time.

Speaker 1 It is now

Speaker 1 Hank and Max have 18 points.

Speaker 1 Jake and Billy have 18 points. And PFT and I have 17.
We are in last. I want to put my hand up.

Speaker 4 I messed up. Me too.
I fucked up big time. Well, obviously, we have the point deduction from earlier this season when I retweeted the poll accidentally.
My thumb slipped and Hank narked on me.

Speaker 4 Excuse me, Jake narked on me to Hank.

Speaker 4 That was a mistake. So we're down by one point.
It's going to be neck and neck going down the stretch.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And what was the hand up? Oh, just for that.

Speaker 4 Well, hand up also because I tweeted out the video of Max talking about titty fucking because it was a very funny video.

Speaker 1 And then everyone agreed with me online. Not everyone.
Not everyone. Not everyone.
You guys were

Speaker 1 able to see the amount of time. Not everyone agreed with me.
Not everyone.

Speaker 1 I had faith. Not everyone.
I had so much faith in my guy. Oh, really?

Speaker 1 You had a lot of faith? Yeah, I let him pick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You said afterwards, you're like, that was the worst pick. It made me laugh, and he was right.

Speaker 1 I have no problem admitting that I was wrong, and he was was right, and that's why I let him cook when I have to. LeBron won us that draft.

Speaker 4 Titties fucking fucking a titties.

Speaker 1 But what was the worst conversation you had afterwards, Max, about the titty fucking?

Speaker 1 My mother was not.

Speaker 1 She thought that you guys were upset with me for saying it publicly. Oh, she thought, like, as like as like bosses.
We're like,

Speaker 1 that's inappropriate, Max.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I was upset with you for saying it because it was so wrong.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, no. They were like,

Speaker 1 Hank was not happy that you made that pick. And I was like, that's not why.

Speaker 1 Either way, we, Mr. Positions was born.
Yeah. Jake, Mr.
Positions.

Speaker 4 The tit god.

Speaker 1 I threw up a little in my mouth later, thinking about Mr. Positions.

Speaker 4 Mr.

Speaker 1 Positions.

Speaker 1 Marsha Sutra.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 What's the order? Mount Rushworth, acronyms. We are first.
Shout out, John Rich.

Speaker 1 We are first.

Speaker 1 You guys are second. Max, memes, and Billy are third.
Okay, so Memes will be doing the picking.

Speaker 1 No, not Max.

Speaker 1 Memes, Billy, and Jake will be third. Oh, you just trade Max.

Speaker 1 Memes has gotten

Speaker 1 some suggestions from Billy and Jake. Memes, will you be going rogue or will you be going off the script? I'll try to go off the script just because they're the ones that are going to be.

Speaker 1 Off the script or off the script? On the script. You'll try to go on script.
On script because in the end, they'll be doing the punishment. So

Speaker 1 you've got to have to live with their picks.

Speaker 1 But I'll try. I'm going to help out.
Are they in agreement or are they just sending you both stuff independently? So they're both busy right now, so they just kind of rattled off a bunch.

Speaker 1 I'm going to help out in between. So there's no list, though.

Speaker 1 Jake did send a list. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. We have first pick.
How much floor of Acroman? First pick, no-brainer 1-1. Probably the most searched acronym in the history of acronyms.
MILF.

Speaker 1 Oh, good pick. That's a good pick, Hank.
Good pick. Good pick.

Speaker 1 Okay. Man, I, we're a football podcast, so.

Speaker 5 That, uh, well, no, what, MILF?

Speaker 1 Doesn't matter. It's the acronym.
Okay, okay.

Speaker 5 All right. Which one do you prefer?

Speaker 1 I like Man I love frogs, but

Speaker 1 okay, uh, PSE, our board's wide open now.

Speaker 5 It is. You want to go one one?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah, let's go one, one.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, you say it.

Speaker 4 Maybe the most search acronym of all time. NSFW.
Yes. Not safe for work.
Great when you know you're about to click on it. MILF is.
Bad boy when you click on it.

Speaker 1 Infinitely more. Is there an NSFW on tab on Pornhub? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Google.
It's the entire website.

Speaker 1 Google says,

Speaker 1 do you want to get real with this shit? And they're like, yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 Actually, there's nothing better than seeing the NSFW and then clicking it and being, who, has there any ever been anyone who has not clicked NSFW?

Speaker 1 It's basically saying a giant red button that says, click this, it's going to rule. Yeah.
It's either going to be someone dying, someone getting fucked, some like weird injury.

Speaker 1 Just give it to me, all of it.

Speaker 4 Nothing's in SFW if your boss is cool enough.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, that's what I've never really had to worry about NSFW.

Speaker 1 But there's a lot of kids that are like college kids, high school kids.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I think the majority of NSFWs get clicked. I don't think a lot of people are actually heeding that.
I think it's just a blinking light of, hey, you should actually click this.

Speaker 4 We should put NSFW on all our videos that we put out on Twitter. Right.
And people watch way more of them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's facts. Okay.

Speaker 1 We're going to to go with R11.

Speaker 1 It's going to be NFL. Okay.
Good pick. Okay.

Speaker 1 And then the second pick? Second pick, FBI. Oh, that's Billy.
Is that Billy? Yeah, that was Billy.

Speaker 4 Billy probably hates the FBI.

Speaker 1 Why would FBI be a good acronym? Just going off the list. It's the cops.

Speaker 4 Yeah, disagree.

Speaker 1 Female body inspector. Okay.
All right. Well,

Speaker 1 we have our number two that we'll take as well. Let's do it.
We'll come back around and we'll go with USA.

Speaker 4 Surprised Billy didn't take that one.

Speaker 1 USA. USA, USA.

Speaker 1 I have rules.

Speaker 1 Does it not? I love America, so I'm not going to denigrate that pick. Okay.
Anyone else have a problem with USA?

Speaker 1 It's a good pick. Thank you.
Thank you. USA.

Speaker 1 There are two rules. Nothing side of you.

Speaker 4 One reacts to Bin Laden's death with that. The other is Richard McGill.

Speaker 1 There's nothing better than a random USA chant.

Speaker 4 It's good.

Speaker 1 It always plays in the wild.

Speaker 1 What is going on on here, boys? What's going on here, boys?

Speaker 1 Oh, back to the numbers?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know about three. Nah, I like three.
I like three. Fuck it.

Speaker 1 Fuck it.

Speaker 5 YOLO. Okay.

Speaker 1 We had it. We had that auto.

Speaker 1 Great song. Great phrase.
It is kind of overused, but also

Speaker 1 it's one of those things where it is a little bit goofy to say, but there's also times where you're like, you know what? Fuck it. YOLO.
Yeah. Just YOLO it.
Yeah. Yeah.
YOLO had a moment.

Speaker 4 I feel like YOLO is kind of dipped down. It was such a

Speaker 1 took over for YOLO. It was such a popular phrase that it kind of got oversaturated and exposed, but it was popular for a reason.

Speaker 4 It's a victim of its own success.

Speaker 1 And, you know, Drake song. I think

Speaker 1 we have another one here, right? Yeah. I think we should go with the one that I responded.
Like my first reply to your initial. All right.
Go for it. Goat.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 You want to say anything? I mean, LeBron?

Speaker 1 It's literally the goat. It's the the greatest of all time

Speaker 1 acronyms. It is?

Speaker 1 So, why don't you pick it up? The greatest of all acronyms. Yeah.
Times.

Speaker 1 Goat. You should have picked it 1-1.

Speaker 1 You could have. It would have been a good pick.
It's good value. That means it's just good value.
Yeah. Okay.
Okay. PFT.
We got a lot here.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I like.

Speaker 4 I like number 12.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, let's do it. Number 12.
Let's get bonked.

Speaker 1 Pog. Pog.
Fat ass white girl. Fat-ass white girl.
Yes, let's go.

Speaker 1 It's a great nickname. It is.
That was going to be our next one. Yeah, it's a great fucking nickname.

Speaker 4 It's an acronym that when you say it out loud, it makes the sound that you see the butt making. It's like, I knew what a pog was before I knew what it stood for.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. Pogs all day, every day.

Speaker 1 We're so old, we know what real pogs were. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Fucking. Milk caps, baby.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just pogging it up. What a dumb game.
Mr. Positions actually texted us and said, he was like, I had to look that one up.

Speaker 1 Of course he did.

Speaker 4 I want to see what he clicked on.

Speaker 4 He googled Pog.

Speaker 1 He probably was like, wait, shouldn't it be

Speaker 1 F-A-W-G? He was like, I didn't know what it was, but I'll trust you guys. Let's try to get him to say that word later.

Speaker 1 Our next pick, O-T-P-H-J.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Over the hand. Over the pandemic.
Pan-Hands hand job. Yep.

Speaker 1 Okay. That's a good pick.
Mr. Positions strikes again.

Speaker 1 And And then for our last one, we'll go with TGIF. Okay, good pick.
Good pick. Good pick.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 You can go 14.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We just want to stay horny.

Speaker 4 14 or 6.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 man.

Speaker 1 Let's just do 14. Yeah, let's do 14.

Speaker 1 We'll just go with an old-fashioned BJ.

Speaker 4 Max loves that one.

Speaker 1 You want a BJ? You think that's overrated too, Max?

Speaker 1 No comment. You love BJs.
No comment. You're a BJ guy.
You love BJs. If you're not a titty fuck guy, that means where are you going to put it? Yeah, that's running the ball.

Speaker 1 That's running the ball right there.

Speaker 1 There's only a couple other places you could put it.

Speaker 1 The BJ guy?

Speaker 4 Did you notice in

Speaker 4 the last one of overrated things when Max took titty fucking, Billy kept trying to say, yeah, but you can also get a blowjob while you're doing it.

Speaker 4 He was just trying to make sure everybody knew that he had a long dick.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, he fucks books yeah uh

Speaker 1 do you ever it is funny every now and then coming across like that one guy who's like i don't even like blowjobs okay yeah what's wrong with you or for me yeah oh blowjobs i can't even come okay that's your problem dude you're just asexual yeah yeah it's not even like yeah yeah

Speaker 1 what was god thinking fun for all the families but do you know that what i'm talking about there are just random dudes who say that you're just like what's wrong with you tommy smokes tommy smokes doesn't like bjs

Speaker 1 I believe so. You know what, though? No.
You can't say that without knowing that.

Speaker 1 Why don't you like BJs, bro?

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 4 That's like a 14-dimensional chess move where you say that to a girl and you're like, I don't even like him. I can't nut.
And the girl's like, oh, I'll show you.

Speaker 1 I'm going to call him.

Speaker 4 I'll prove you wrong.

Speaker 1 That rumor can't be true. This is true.

Speaker 1 I said

Speaker 1 something made me think that. I didn't just make it out.

Speaker 1 If he doesn't pick up, then he definitively does not like BJs.

Speaker 1 Oh, hey, Tommy. We're taping PMT right now.

Speaker 1 We're doing the Mount Rushmore of acronyms, and we just picked BJs, and we started talking about the random dude out in the wild who's like, I don't even like blowjobs.

Speaker 1 And Hank claimed you were that guy. Confirmer.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 12 That's me.

Speaker 1 What is wrong with you? What do you mean you don't like blowjobs?

Speaker 12 I find them to, it's a lot of pressure when I'm getting, what do I, what am I supposed to say? Oh, yeah. I just, I feel like it's really a lot of pressure on me.

Speaker 1 Ask him about his thoughts on titty fucking.

Speaker 1 Do you like titty fucking?

Speaker 1 Um

Speaker 12 more.

Speaker 12 I've really done it very much.

Speaker 1 I don't think.

Speaker 1 He probably did it once. He probably did it once.
Tommy,

Speaker 1 you don't have to do anything. That's the beauty of a blowjob.

Speaker 12 I know, but it's like,

Speaker 12 I just feel like I'm supposed to be making noises or something, and I'm not, you know, that's not my stuff.

Speaker 4 Only Tommy would look at a blowjob like, oh, now I have to do a monologue.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What are you talking about, dude? You just get your dick sucked.

Speaker 12 And a lot of them aren't that good at it, too.

Speaker 4 See, I like what Tommy's doing right now. He's like issuing a challenge.

Speaker 1 He's also, yeah, he's like,

Speaker 1 any women out there in the greater New York area, the tri-state area, want to suck a dick for a guy who doesn't like blowjobs, convert me. My name's Tommy Smokes.

Speaker 12 Anyone wants to try, I guess.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You also feel like you're just throwing out all of

Speaker 1 the excuses at once. Any other ones? Does it not make you come?

Speaker 1 I mean, I could, but it might take a while, and I feel bad that she's doing it for that long. You're just thinking about this way too much, dude.

Speaker 12 I just, I get really in my head the second, the second she starts. It's like, God, it's such an awkward silence.

Speaker 1 What? What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 That's bizarre.

Speaker 1 You're so weird. You're so weird.

Speaker 12 I like to have regular sex, though.

Speaker 1 You make blowjobs.

Speaker 1 You're treating blowjobs like getting into an elevator with a stranger.

Speaker 12 Yeah, that's honestly.

Speaker 1 Like, what the fuck, dude?

Speaker 12 Sum up blowjobs in one word, I would say stressful.

Speaker 1 They're the ultimate de-stressor.

Speaker 1 All right. Agree to disagree.
All right, well, Tommy, everyone tweeted Tommy. He's the anti-BJ guy, so.

Speaker 12 Yeah, well, if you want to prove it, I guess, you know.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What about sucking dick?

Speaker 5 Never Never done it. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'd be good at it. Okay.
All right. Good answer.
Good answer. All right.
See you, Tommy.

Speaker 1 All right. BJ is our fourth and final pick.
You guys have your last pick? Yep. Our last pick.
We're just going to keep it simple. Probably the acronym I use the most.

Speaker 1 It's almost an hindrance.

Speaker 1 I got to stop myself from doing it. LOL.
LOL. I just LOL respond people all the time.
And rarely am I laughing out loud, but it's just a great, it's a great everyday utility acronym.

Speaker 4 Do you think that's better than LMAO? No,

Speaker 1 LOL people are the worst. The worst.

Speaker 1 I think you might have just, you had a good draft going. LOL is not a great pick.

Speaker 1 LOL is probably, pound for pound, the number one most used acronym of all time.

Speaker 1 It's so annoying. We have the most search acronym and the most used acronym.
It's still the most, but it's the best acronyms. Anytime somebody texts you LOL,

Speaker 1 I think they want to fight.

Speaker 4 It's like the opposite of what they're actually doing.

Speaker 1 They're not laughing out loud what's your problem now you guys are wrong people are gonna people are gonna be like oh yeah lol i use lol it's best acronyms though not the most popular acronyms

Speaker 1 no notorious no it's the the mountain rush wars best acronyms

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 no and i put no notoriety in there i was i'm struggling with that word right now okay

Speaker 1 so like big bang theory is is it would be your one-one pick for television shows

Speaker 1 i might not think that but the but the masses might okay i don't love our list but it is what it is. I thought you guys were great.
LOL.

Speaker 1 L-O-A pisses me off.

Speaker 1 I like the HAHA or I like the L-O-L-O-L-O-L-O-L.

Speaker 4 Yeah. When somebody hits me with that, I'm like, okay, they're actually laughing.

Speaker 1 You're literally laughing.

Speaker 4 I'm so funny. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We were between that and BRB, just a classic, just a

Speaker 1 classic. Yeah.

Speaker 5 But that's too old.

Speaker 1 I don't think young kids say BRB anymore. I would have, the ones I would have used, if it was just for me personally, would be Fitfo and Dwaya.
but I don't think either of those are like actual

Speaker 1 done with it all. What about I'm Dwyer?

Speaker 1 Hank, we thought you for sure were going to take AOC.

Speaker 1 Nope. Okay.

Speaker 4 Dare, D-A-R-E. Yep.
The shirts are pretty good. Yep.

Speaker 4 S-T-F-U-H. Shut the fuck up, Hank.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 5 PMT, AWO.

Speaker 4 Didn't want to pander.

Speaker 1 MNF, Monday Night Football is a good one.

Speaker 1 I also.

Speaker 1 ASL. ASL.
IWE.

Speaker 1 NASA. I thought about NASA, but I don't know what it actually stands for, but I think it is an action.
Yeah, I don't either. Nuclear Astronomical Scientific.
Association. So you got it.
PEMDOS.

Speaker 1 PEMDOS. PEMDAS is a good one.
Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 1 TLDR, when you drop that on someone, it always hurts. It's like,

Speaker 4 everything's TLDR.

Speaker 4 In fact, TLDR got TLDR'd by

Speaker 4 the meme where it's like, I ain't reading all that. Yeah.
But congrats. I'm sorry that happened to you.

Speaker 1 One that, a personal one that I've always loved. I just love RBIs.

Speaker 1 Ribbies.

Speaker 1 It's just a fun one.

Speaker 1 HRs. HRs are fun.
Yeah. Yeah.
What else? Any others? It's a good list.

Speaker 1 That's a good Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 Good show, boys. So we do have Matt Olson on Wednesday.
Great, great interview with Matt Olson for all the seam heads out there.

Speaker 1 Latest Friday interview we've ever done. That's a fact.
Good for us. We were grinding.
Yeah, not we're not looking for a shout out.

Speaker 4 Post-grit week, too.

Speaker 1 Post-grit week, Friday night.

Speaker 1 Shout out, Matt Olson, for coming on a Friday night, too.

Speaker 1 All right, should we do numbers? Sure.

Speaker 1 Random eight, 17.

Speaker 1 69.

Speaker 1 I will do it. 20.
10. Shane has 10.
Yeah. Shane and meme Zurich on this.

Speaker 1 I will do

Speaker 1 26.

Speaker 1 54 54 is the number.

Speaker 1 Okay, see everyone on Wednesday.

Speaker 4 Love you guys.

Speaker 1 Hard knocks. Let's go.
Remember, hard knocks, hard knocks.

Speaker 1 I'm taking

Speaker 1 it. Spirit standing over,

Speaker 1 telling them about these other things. Say I'll be

Speaker 1 better to you, say you can sorry, sorry.

Speaker 1 It's for better till you say you can sorry,

Speaker 1 gone leave.

Speaker 1 Take me

Speaker 1 up

Speaker 1 I will

Speaker 1 take you

Speaker 1 safe,

Speaker 1 though I told you. Just gotta pay my birthday away.

Speaker 1 You all the things I've got to remember.

Speaker 1 Shiny away.

Speaker 1 I'll be coming for you anyway. Take

Speaker 1 on me.