Von Miller, The PAC 12 Is Dead, We Had A Real Baseball Fight + Mt Rushmore Of Acronyms

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Today is Monday, August 7th, and the pack 12 is dead completely dead i feel bad for washington state fans i feel bad for some of the like oregon state fans cal stanford realignment kind of sucks for them now it's going to be cool when you look at the football schedules in like two years and you get to see some of these matchups correct um so that's good I like that for us but it it does kind of suck I feel bad for them it's a I'm very conflicted and I also know when I'm speaking about this before anyone tries to correct me I know that I'm speaking from a place where my team is safe so it it definitely changes how I look at the realignment realignment does suck. It sucks because the Pac-12 has been around for over 100 years.
Conference of Champions. I liked that there was different brands of football.
I just don't understand when people say that college football is dying because guess what? On Saturday, I will still watch. And there are some new wrinkles that I actually am excited about the big 12 rocks the new big 12 rocks the fact that we're going to get like Kansas and Arizona playing basketball every single year that rocks Texas Tech and UCF is going to be my game of the year over every single year like there are new wrinkles that are awesome.
Washington, Oregon playing in Rutgers.

That will rock.

Yeah, I guess.

It will rock.

But what if you're like one of the smaller sports, like if you're a volleyball player and you're in Washington and you have to travel now to Piscataway?

Well, this is the hypocrisy of the whole thing is when all these athletic department heads and, you know, presidents of the schools are like student athletes, student athletes, and they're like, oh yeah, an Oregon softball player now has to travel to Rutgers for like a weekend and then come back. They're not doing anything for student athletes.
It is all for the money. It's all for the TV tv money fox and espn have basically run how college football looks going forward and the pac-12 completely bungled the whole thing started with larry scott larry scott is he's the big villain in all this larry scott when they brought him in they were like this guy is a visionary he understands the future of sports better than anybody i remember he was doing like the rounds he was he was getting interviewed on every podcast or yes not podcast at the time every sports radio show he was all over espn he's like i have the vision to lead the pac-12 into the future basically his vision was just fucking everything up and making everybody hate him yeah no so he the the best he could do for them was he had the apple tv deal that the pac-12 was going to sign which which sounds like, okay, for those of us that watch Apple TV, probably not that big of a deal.
But the reality of the situation is there's a lot of alumni. There's a lot of fans of these teams that don't watch sports on Apple TV.
They want their sports easy to find on linear TV. That's the new commissioner, by the way.
Larry Scott was out. Larry Scott basically created the death of the Pac-12, and then the new commissioner, George Klevkoff, basically buried them all the way.
But Larry Scott was the guy that absolutely fucked everything up. He just kind of milked everybody for all their money, and he spent it on like $10,000 hotel suites.
He was very much trying to build the brand of Larry Scott, the visionary of the Pac-12. He created a programming network that pretty much the entire country couldn't get on their TV.
Yeah. And yeah, they got boxed into a spot where George Klevkoff got hopped in line by the Big 12 on the rights.
So the Big 12 was able to get their rights and then Apple TV was it. And it was like half the money that the big 10 or the sec is getting and paying out to each one of their teams.
And even, even, even in like the dying breaths, they almost were able to save it. And it was Washington, Oregon was like, wait, why would we sign up for something that gets $23 million when all these other big conferences are making like $50 million a year? And also no one's going to watch our games and we're not going to be on linear TV.
And it's all falling apart. Washington is over.
Washington made a good point, which was like if the strength and the big selling point for why we should do this deal is the fact that we're going to be able to get out of the deal in two years, once we sign it, then that's a bad deal. If the best part of your contract is the fact that you are going to be allowed to leave your contract, bad contract, move on.
It was, they basically were trying, he was, Klivkov was trying to sell the Pac-12 teams on a commission structure. They're like, if we get 5 million new subscribers we could eventually end up being like Big Ten schools yeah and and what this was really about was uh the Big Ten um had the leg up on the Pac-12 when it came to how long the duration of their contract was so when the Big the Big Ten was able to renegotiate their media deal before the Pac-12 was and then they got all the good time slots and they and they got put in in a favorable position on the TV deal.
And then the Pac-12 was like, well... You mean the Big 12? The Big 10 was already set.
The Big 10 came to the... Yeah.
So the Pac-12, they signed too long of a deal, a 12-year contract. And the Big 12 hopped in front of the Pac-12 in this last iteration.
Yeah. So they should have done like an eight-year deal not a huge massive long-term deal even though this piece of shit larry scout was like this is what's going to set us up for the most success in the future to sign this big deal it's stable they got jumped in line and so then they were just standing there with their dick in their hand and they also didn't have a linear partner like they the big 10 had its own big 10 did something similar to the pack 12 where they made the big 10 network but they also had it in conjunction with fox so you could watch their big games and the pack 12 was just completely antiquated i have a quote for you that uh i'd like you to just tell me who who maybe said this this was from 2021 uh this was said you look at the metrics you look at the numbers and any way you cut and slice and dice the numbers you come to the conclusion that no pac-12 school is going to the big 12 that would be bill walton that was george klevkoff the uh pac-12 commissioner like two weeks ago right no that was two years ago but still he he could not have been more wrong uh it it completely12 is completely gone.
I don't really know. Part of me thinks that the Pac-12's best chance now is to just take the four remaining schools and be like, hey, Mountain West, do you want to just be the new Pac-12? Well, that's Gonzaga's final.
It's their time to shine. Now they're going to play in a major conference after everybody else has already left.
saw one idea this might be the stupidest idea um i guess maybe if if you're a money guy it might make sense but uh they're thinking about doing just a coastal conference like both the atlantic coast and the west coast so like the most spread out possible conference they've already lost the biggest coast that you can make west coast teams i know i know but they're saying like the next the next idea up is to replace those teams with teams from the East Coast and just make an ocean conference. Yeah, the ACC tried to do a last-second, like, let's save the Pac-12 and go back to our Alliance days and figure out something.
That was the golden age. It sucks.
It does suck. I do feel bad for the teams that were left out.
I go back to the point of I'm going to keep watching. And there is something a little funny about being like tradition in this sport when, I don't know, 25 years ago, they were still just arbitrarily naming multiple national champions.
Like college football is fucked up all the time. It does suck that we're losing the historical tradition of the pack 12 i i'm not in favor of it it's just like i said the the tv basically the tv rights have have have controlled both all the big conferences and said this is what you're going to do yeah and there's nothing you can do about it there was one thing that the uh i think it was president of washington said that this isn't totally about dollars and cents it's a hundred percent about money it's there's no other thing that factored in the equation close to the level that money has just played this whole thing correct there's a there's absolutely no reason for this to ever occur in uh in a sport where like traditions and the fan bases that have grown up watching these games are still active they still care about it there's no other reason to switch things up to this magnitude besides the fact that you're going to get paid a shitload more money.
Yeah, and it's future safety that all these teams are vying for, and the Big Ten provides it. The SEC provides it.
The Big 12, weirdly, they've done a great job. They were on the ropes, and they've done a great job of adding.
They are going to be the funnest conference. That need that's for sure you know what we need we need Saudi Arabia to step up and start funneling some money into college sports they might for Florida State Florida State's looking for outside investment Florida State Miami would definitely they would give an arm and a little that's probably a bad choice they would they would love to be in bed with us probably another bad choice they would love to do business with the saudi saudi government correct um shout out colorado by the way colorado uh maybe like the the most foresight of any university because they left the big 12 for the pac-12 15 years ago and then they left the pac-12 for the big 12 right as the pac-12 was about to die.
They were just reloading. They were just getting ready.

They've just hopped from rock to rock and survived this whole thing.

Dancing through the raindrops.

Yeah, it does suck, though, and it's going to be weird.

I will say this, though.

This college football season is going to rule

because you have everything's status quo,

and it's going to be so much animosity between not only Texas and Oklahoma being in the Big 12 this year, going to the SEC, UCLA, USC, staying in the Pac-12 this year, going to the Big 10, Washington, Oregon. Like, all these games are going to be, it's going to mean a lot, lot more.
Like, there's going to be some real, real anger for the teams that are left behind. The conference conference realignment discussion that we have and it seems like it's every offseason we talked about something different that's going on with that it's like the least appealing part of college football yeah no it sucks I love and at the end of the day we're going to watch the games that are still going to be games on that's that kickoff after 10 p.m.
on a Saturday we're going to be happy about that we're going to watch them we're going to to have a good time. Most of America will have a good time, but it is going to leave some people out, and the teams that are getting left out in this are the smaller schools in the Pac-12, and it just sucks for them.
They have no leverage, really, to stand up to this big money. It's the worst part about sports.
Yeah, and it shouldn't have happened, but it's unfortunately happened. RIP Pac-12 after dark.
That's sad. I mean, that was the best.
If you are a traditionalist and you are someone who's like, I wish college football would just stay the way it was, you should just be a Mac fan because the Mac does not change. Mac's not going anywhere.
So this was from Ben Scott Stevens. The Mid-American Conference, a staple of consistency.
All 12 current full members have been in the conference since at least 1998. Half of the league has been a member since 1952.
None of the other nine FBS conferences can say that. Mac-tion is your – it is like the traditionalist conference.
Set your watch to Mac football. It is Mac football.
They are the big winner in the fact that they will not change they won't they won't i think we should do a pizza party for the winner of the pac-12 not this year but next year yeah future plans that's that's our contribution yeah the pac-12 just fucked us up every single way and they also even like voting against uh like they they delayed the vote on uh automatic qualifiers for the expanded playoff that fucked them because they like they're just they could not have screwed this up more and it does suck because like we said for the student athletes it's brutal yes because a lot of those guys like if you're a student athlete in california and you say oh i'm gonna go to a school in california even oregon or washington because i want my parents to be able to go see the games, my family see the games, that's out the window now. Like, you go to Oregon, your family's not going to travel to Indiana to see a game in the middle of, like, October.
It's just it becomes very, very difficult to do all that stuff, and the sport has completely changed. I want to know what's going to happen with the Cougars flag on game day.
Are we going to keep that up? Is there going to be a protest? Oh, they will. They should boycott.
They will. No, yeah, because ESPN is part of the reason.
Yeah, they should. ESPN and Fox.
They are the bad guys. If I was Washington State, I would boycott college game day.
I would not have a flag in the background. Silent protest.
Get more eyes on the issue right there. Probably won't accomplish anything.
But we'll send a message loud and clear. Yeah.
So, I'm going to still watch. There will be some fun new wrinkles.
The Big 12 does rule now. Just looking at the teams.
Did you see the map too? Poor New Mexico. No.
It's every state around New Mexico. New Mexico's not in the Big 12.
They're just doing their own thing. They're just completely locked in.
It's just the entire Big 12 is around New Mexico now. This is also going to all be up for discussion in probably two or three more years.
I don't know. There's going to be more changes.
Nothing stays the same in college sports. There will be more changes because the ACC still has to get figured out and the ACC's in a bad deal that they're trying to get out of.
But yeah, the whole sucks and i still will watch i am i am both upset but also resigned to the fact that i am completely controlled by the fact that if you put live football college football or college basketball on a tv i will watch yeah it's like uh was it trump's diet coke tweet like the people at coke are mad at me that That's okay. I'll keep drinking that garbage.
Yeah, I'll watch football. If football's on TV, I will be watching.
Right. Okay, anything else from realignment? I mean, I did see the interior, exterior, Big Ten conferences or divisions that they were throwing out there.
Kind of interesting. Inside, outside? Yeah, it'd be inside, outside.
Who's in the middle? It would be like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois. All the good teams, yeah.
Power conference. And then it would be like Washington, USC, UCLA, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, all those guys.
I feel like Rutgers should be in interior, too. No, they're exterior, unfortunately.
Maryland's interior. Okay, good.
This is just sources that I've heard. Yeah, what are they going to do? How are they going they going to divvy that up you might not have that sweet schedule i don't think i think they're going i don't think you can make i think it's just going to be an 18 team conference and because the college football playoff is expanding knowing that like three maybe even four big 10 teams will go to the college football playoff you just deal with it you.
You know what I mean? It would be a perfect world.

The problem is what would have been great is if they had gotten to a nice

16-team conferences and two automatic bids,

or you can play two playoff games,

two Big Ten playoff games for an automatic bid.

Now it's just going to be the Big Ten and SEC are going to be eight of the 12 teams in the college football playoff. What happens to the Rose Bowl? Rose Bowl is gone.
Well, UCLA plays home games there. I don't know if the Rose Bowl worked out a deal to be still in the college football playoff.
I'm sure they're still in the college football playoff like every few years they get the national title game. But, yeah, it does suck it does suck it sucks these things suck the pac-12 needs to figure out some way to get people to continue watching their games even without the big matchups they got to figure out a way to do i don't know like savannah bananas of college football no they need to add the mountain west i think that's the move because otherwise those teams are just gonna go i've heard that maybe cal stops playing football stanford goes goes independent, and then Oregon State and Washington State join the Mountain West.
I love that Stanford would go independent. Yeah, why not? I mean, it's crazy to think that just 12 years ago, like Stanford was a team that was, you know, the Harbaugh, early David Shaw years was just in the mix every single year.
And that, like, even those little wrinkles I'm going to miss. I'm going to miss every year believing that Oregon is so fucking good they can beat anyone, and then they play Stanford in November and get punched in the mouth and lose, and I'm like, how did I lose all my money again? That was a nice rite of passage.
It sucks. I hope they figure it out.
I do feel bad for the smaller schools getting fucked over in this. Yeah.
No, it sucks. Worst part about sports.
And those schools are really fucked because to keep up with everyone else they've put a ton of money in their facilities and stadium and now they have a shitload of debt like i think washington state just revamped their entire stadium yeah they had to and now now they're playing yeah they're not going to be playing big time power five football anymore It is kind of crazy how in America, football controls our education system.

Yeah, it does.

Football rules everything around me.

I know.

I know.

All right, other things that happened this weekend.

Tim Anderson got knocked out cold.

Good fight, though.

I like seeing guys square up.

This needs to happen in baseball.

It was awesome.

It should be like in hockey.

It should be like in lacrosse.

If two guys engage in mutual combat, I love the umpires stepping back he's like unbelievable move by him let the swing yeah they don't pay that guy enough to step in and take some shots yeah it's although it would be nice if angel hernandez stepped in just got caught astray caught but yeah they should do that in every sport like if you want to fight a guy fight the guy and it's very rare for as much as baseball has fighting you know in the in the fact that they have fighting that's allowed somewhat uh it's very rare that you see a guy get knocked out cold I think it's only I was thinking about it what Joey Batts got knocked out right uh yeah he got knocked down he got knocked down he got knocked out Tim Anderson got knocked out that I if you're Tim Anderson someone on your team has to be like hey just lay down and wait for the cart because if you take the card out, then you're Tim Anderson, someone on your team has to be like, hey, just lay down and wait for the cart. Because if you take the cart out, then you know that everyone has to say, well, he might be really injured.
We have to be careful. Don't make jokes.
Instead, he tried to walk it off. That's not good.
And he was just falling all over the place. And Tim Anderson, yeah, it's tough when you're the guy who squares up to get knocked out.
I do love that moment, though, when the guys look at each other and they jaw, and then they agree to fight, drop the gloves, and then go for it. You don't see that in baseball.
It was Pruszynski that took one off the chin. Yeah, that was a good fight, too.
It's rare that you get little punches thrown, connections made in a baseball fight. If I were Anderson, I would have laid on the ground and then waited for about five minutes and then stood up and be like i got the wind knocked out of me right and then everyone no no one can be like no you didn't do also did you see the body shot i landed i thought this was going to be a longer fight he did land a good body shot and you could just say jose ramirez like he just was swinging wild it was lucky he did connect but yeah he it was a lucky shot hank what do you think i mean it was wildly but he knocked him out yeah no he knocked him out and the the radio no i tim anderson looks like a fool i'm just trying to play devil's advocate of like if you're tim anderson what would you do i'd wait for the cart i'd say i tripped i'd i'd tweet out a clip of i tripped over his fist i'd tweet out a clip of the kidney shot and be like i was just working the body like i thought this was was going to go a few rounds.
They shouldn't stop the fight. Yeah, right.
It was an early stoppage. Right.
They didn't give me a standing 10 count. That was messed up.
Yeah, I loved the announcer when he was doing the play-by-play of the actual stolen base sliding in a second, and then he just seamlessly transitioned. So now he's calling a boxing fight.
Down goes Anderson. Down goes Anderson.
Oh, you're talking about the radio call. It's incredible.
Benetti did a great job, too, where he was just like, all right, and now they're squaring up. Here we go.
It's every sports announcer's dream to call an actual boxing match, and they just wish. You've got to stay ready for that moment when it presents itself.
Yeah, but it's very rare that you see a guy get a clean shot in baseball and two guys square up. Tim Anderson, also tough that he's having the worst year possible.
His one home run. That's worse than having no home runs, by the way.
Having one, it makes it stand out so much worse. I don't know what ended up happening.
I didn't follow up, but poor White Sox fans. Eli Jimenez, walking off hobbling.
He gets injured in a fight that he's not even in. It's just a perfect encapsulation of his career.
I would like to blame some of Tim Anderson's teammates for that, too. Because if you're going to hold somebody back, hold them back.
Right. You were just kind of holding them up.
Right. And letting them swing on your teammate.
You did a half-assed job of protecting your guy. Yeah.
I think maybe if he was playing better, they would have been a little bit more defensive of him. Yeah.
And then Tim Anderson had a ton of tweets from like 10 years ago being like, try me, I'll knock you out. Didn't he delete some of them? He might have.
I think he went back. I think he was so triggered that he went back online and deleted his old tweets talking about how tough he was.
He was so concussed. He's like, yeah, this will work.
I'll just delete them. Yeah.
No one will ever know that they were there. Yeah, it was bad.
Bad look uh okay another bad look u.s women's soccer team out stunk matt megan rapino smiling as she missed she said that she she was smiling because she was like how the fuck did this not go in she said she was smiling because it was the universe playing a sick joke on her yeah well she baggio'd it she missed it she missed it very very high that's a bad penalty we did play well though we dominated the game sure you gotta score i'm a big i'm a big expected goals guy you know the expected goals account that tweets out like yeah how many goals you should have scored like you were expected to score that is maybe the biggest crock of shit stat in sports it's like well based on how you guys really played you won two to nothing so i woke up right as she was missing or right as sweden was hitting the uh goal that shouldn't have counted because if you save it it shouldn't count that it bounces in yeah i don't know how much time you have i think it's like the natural momentum of the ball so even if you knock it out like six feet it's got backspin it rolls in i think that counts as a goal it should just be some contact someone should have walked on and been like hey sweden do you want this to be the highlight of the time you beat us because it's not really a highlight because if you watch it you're like wait she saved it yeah and the ball crossed over by like a millimeter it's crazy it's like one centimeter we don't have that on goal line technology technology. Yeah.
I think that was the first time that they did it for like a penalty kick situation in the World Cup where it's like, okay, we can go to the camera and use that and see. It was seriously like a millimeter over, but we didn't deserve to win.
Yeah, we don't deserve to win that. Our team sucked this year.
Carly Lloyd was right. She was very right.
Lloyd was very right. And Alexialas is sitting next to her i think alexi's pissed off that carly lloyd is out taking him on his own show she was because he's usually the asshole that just makes ridiculous points carly lloyd came over the top with an older man take on him alexi's the big loser of all this yes um and then the other things i had i had a couple questions for max Max, is your mic work? Mic works.
Can you explain Trey Turner to us? What happened? Yeah, explain the whole thing. Good sports down.
Hank, you're going to like this. Good sports down.
He's a great player. Yeah.
Fantastic player. Trey Turner, really good baseball player.
Making like $300 million a year. Thought by many to be the best shortstop in baseball.
Hasn't had the best year after the World Baseball Classic. Was really good in the World Baseball Classic.
That's good. Oh, okay.
So what happened on Friday night? Did we win the World Baseball Classic? We did not. What place? Second? Second.
Oh, Max. Remember the show? Oh, Max.
So, yeah. No, true.
But he played well, so that's good. True.
I didn't even pick up on that. That was a shot at me, but whatever.
He's been really bad. You know, baseball is a real mental game.
Philly being the big sports town that they are, great sports town, rallied together and said instead of booing him, we're going to give him a standing ovation every time he gets to the plate. So how long does that last? Now, is this a heartfelt standing ovation or a sarcastic standing ovation? I think it's heartfelt.
I was so confused watching Philadelphia give a standing ovation to a $300 million guy who has been playing bad. I thought I had missed that Trey Turner had cancer and beat cancer and came back.
That's how confused I was. No, that's just a good that's just a good ball ball town, right? You think so? Yeah.
So much so that your franchise player, Joel Embiid tweeted, LOL, as it was happening. Yeah, well, he was probably salty because he gets booed.
Right. Baseball and basketball are different sports.
Baseball is why? Why would you boo your MVP? Because sometimes, like in basketball and football, like negative reinforcement, like pisses the player off and like makes them play better. Baseball is not that sort of game.
This is great. No, you're whining yourself.
No, this is quite the take right now, Max. No, no, this is a good take.
Keep going. As someone who played baseball and played football, if you were to boo me during football, I would have got pissed off, would have fucked a guy up in front of me.
We were talking about basketball. Yeah, well, I can't speak to basketball.
You just lumped basketball in with football. But baseball is such a confidence game.
You need your confidence to know that you're good enough to play. And then Trey Turner had a huge bomb.
Max, factor fiction. Basically to win the game yesterday.
It would probably make you feel worse if you were having an all-time shitty year and everybody sarcastically gave you a standing. Yeah, but you're saying sarcasm.
I'm not. Oh, so it's real.
So what were they plotting him for? They were plotting because he sucks. No, no.
They're just saying, like, you're good. You got this.
That's what Philly fans do. Everyone knows that's what Philly fans do.
Yeah, Philly fans are always got their good sports. Great sports town.
So cheer for a player who is having an all-time bad year. Boo in baseball.
Boo a player in basketball who's stinking. And boo Santa Claus.
Yeah. Also, I haven't watched a lot of the Phillies this week because it's been a busy, busy week.
And I just saw clips of it yesterday because I was moving and I was so confused. I was like, what is going on here? Yeah.
But from what I've read into, I haven't really seen much of it. But apparently there was a push on social media to be like, let's give Turner a standing ovation when he gets.
Now, do you think that this is Philly getting soft? No. I'm telling you, this is Philly knowing ball.
Okay. We're a booing town.
Okay. All of our boos are strategic to motivate the player.
You're the smartest booers in the world? Because you want to motivate the player to get them down into the depth that they need to be to be successful.

But baseball doesn't work that way.

So that's just like us being a very smart sports down and knowing that.

So how is Trey doing now?

He hit a home run.

He hit a home run to win the game.

He hit a double right after it to get an insurance run.

And he's one for two right now with a double.

Okay.

So it might have worked.

He's on fire.

So now you have to, as Phillies, start cheering everyone.

You set the precedent.

Baseball, baseball, baseball.

No, this is a precedent.

No, no, no.

I'm basically – double okay so it might have worked yeah he's he's on fire now you have to as philly start cheering everyone you set the precedent baseball baseball no this is a precedent no baseball is a different sport if you're doing poorly you need to be cheered in baseball correct so do you start booing him now that he's good uh how pissed do you think he's super confident right no it's all about how pissed you think alec bomb is like why the fuck't they do this for me? Well, Gallup Bones has also been very good this year. But he got booed.
Well, he was bad when he was getting booed. Now I'm confused.
Now that Trey Turner's playing really well, he's super confident, right? So now he's got – you can poke that dog. Well, he's passed four at-bats.
Yeah. So at some point you've got to start booing him.
Yeah, I mean, we'll see. I'll let the powers that be.
I mean, I trust my guys out in Philly. I'm not there right now, but, you know.
There's nothing worse than baseball contracts when a guy signs a huge, huge deal and sucks right out of the gate. And you're like, you start counting down the year.
Like, wait, eight more years of this? Also, all of this was based off of like a couple articles I've read because I have not seen much of the Phillies this week. Okay.
I want to know who's leading the charge. Who's the Apex Philly fan that's deciding who gets booed, who gets cheered? That's a good question.
I know there's a couple of WIP callers. That's the Philly sports talk.
It's probably Big Ant. That brings me to my next question.
Howard Eskin, what's up with him? Yeah, that was the weirdest tweet. Did you guys see this? That was the weirdest tweet of all time.
Howard Eskin, Philly radio legend, tweeted out on Saturday morning, ready to roll this morning with my show, Sports Radio WIP, Trey Turner and Phillies Eagles expectations, players that hung around too long, 8 to 10 a.m. with this picture attached.
Oh, wow. Yeah.
Okay. So I bonked him, and then he was like, hey, guys, that's my daughter.
But I still don't know why he put it in. He just using his daughter to promote his show? Yeah.
His radio show? I think he just accidentally put it as a tweet, but then he was doing a victory lap being like, yeah, everyone was talking about it all day. So one thing I love about Howard Eskin on Twitter is he is the quintessential old guy on Twitter.

That somebody told him, like, hey, you should sign up for this.

Use it to promote your takes, et cetera, et cetera.

And he still has no idea how to use Twitter.

Yeah.

He gets everything wrong.

I love him.

He DMed me, said, Big Cat, don't believe we've ever met, but respect back.

And I sent him the Jeter little kid respect.

I don't know.

Respect that you use your daughter for her accidentally accidentally for your call-in show yeah so yeah weird weekend in philly nah it's just that's just another day that was just another day that's just another day in the city of brotherly love uh okay other things bryson dechambeau's awesome yeah no comment 58? No comment on Bryson. He shot 58? I wish he was still big.

Did you watch it? Other things. Bryson DeChambeau is awesome.
Yeah, no comment. 58? No comment on Bryson.

He shot 58?

I wish he was still big.

Did you watch it?

I watched the highlights on Instagram.

Hank, when we played golf the other week, what did you shoot for nine holes?

58.

Was it 58?

That's pretty sick.

That's wild.

He lapped you.

You got lapped. I got 55.

And then Nate Diaz and Jake Paul fought. Yeah, they did.
I actually think Nate Diaz won this fight. Same.
Because Nate Diaz, he's getting into a fight with an internet troll, right? And he somehow managed to become the king troll in that match. So he's like dancing around, getting his ass kicked a little bit, but still fighting.
He out-trolled Jake Paul in a boxing match. Jake Paul was like taking it very seriously, ended up winning technically.
But Nate Diaz is like, dude, I got you mad. Look how mad you are.
And he put him in a guillotine in the 10th round. Look how emotional you are.
He was just like fucking around, got a big payday. And now Jake says that he's going to fight Nate Diaz in the octagon.
In an MMA fight next for 10 million dollars that won't go well i don't think nope um but yeah jake paul also said that he's going to be world champion 2026 of what boxing okay yep all right i like his confidence would you have a rough and rowdy belt ready to go you can compete for that i did a all-time old man starting to get old you know started with the josh allen getting us with room 40 uh i bought the fight and then i did the math when it was like serrano hadn't even come out i was like you know what i'm just gonna record this and watch it in the morning smart and i was smart because i got an extra two hours of sleep and i watched it i was like okay it went exactly as i expected nate Nate Diaz every Nate Diaz fight is the exact same he oftentimes loses and I just love him even more after yeah I'm like if that fight lasted 40 more rounds he would have won yeah if boxing as a sport was 100 rounds Nate Diaz would be the best fighter of all time all time he would never get knocked out he would just outlast you uh Hank had an all-time take when we were watching this this is great I want to get your take on this big cat because we were watching the serrano fight right hank literally thinks that he could beat up amanda serrano false no yes that's so wrong you think that you could beat her fact or fiction in a boxing match fiction you said it like 20 times we are having a couple drinks i was making some jokes obviously i don't think i could beat amanda of serrano you were talking very tough when we're watching look at that smile you do i was you were you were standing up he was like i can't believe you think this i was like yeah dude i take her out no no no he's here i got i got all standing up and demonstrating that's an all-time bad take he's like real five five and a half feet tall i keep her at bay with my jab he was showing us he was like here's she would never get inside she would never get inside i said the one thing she might have me on is cardio but if i yeah yeah maybe by the way hank went to the gym the other day and ran for what 0.1 miles i was and then gave up well no i mean i was the fact i was a little bit hung over the fact that i got to the gym in the first place is a victory anyone that knows that knows that uh i was walking incline and then you started out trying to run i was no no for 0.1 miles no no i was walking in class like you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna run for like 10 minutes and then i turned up the speed up maybe ran 0.1 miles and i turned the speed back down i was like nope i do that you pretty much described every single workout i've ever had i just walked out and, and then I'm like, oh, I'm feeling good. Let me just get this incline down and this speed up.
And then about a minute in, I start holding the sides. I'm like, let me go back to walking.
Someone was telling me about 12, 3.30, 12 incline. Acro walk.
Yeah. That's it? Yeah.
12 incline, 3 speed, 30 minutes. Burn more calories incline walking than you do running.
Is that true? You got to make sure not to grab on and hold on. Max and I are about to be in the best shapes of our lives.
I'm going on a hard diet starting Monday. I want to be weight pals with Max where we text each other the weight every day, but he doesn't have a scale.
That's smart. It's not about the number, Max.
It's about how you feel in your own body. I've done the math.
I have 18 months before I'm 40, so I'm going to lose three pounds a month for the next 18 months. Every single grit week, we get back, and we usually eat like shit on the road.
We get back, and we're like, okay, now's the time where we get serious about our diet. It lasts about a week.
Yeah. And then preseason starts, and we're like, okay, football's back.
Yeah, football's back. Diet's off.
Football's back. All right, let's do who's back of the week, and then we have Vaughn Miller.
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Who's Back of the Week? Hank. My Who's Back of the Week is Giancarlo Stanton.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
That was great. Oh, man, did this rule.
He was playing in a game. He was on second base.
Guy hit a single into center field, and he got waved home. I mean, we're talking about stamina and speed.
Like, if it's a hot take for me to say I could beat a man of Sorano in a fight, which maybe it is, I could easily beat Giancarlo Stanton in a race because he was running maybe five miles an hour. Probably slower than if he hit a home run.
Like, I think guys, you know, maybe like a utility player when they hit a home run, Dustin Pedroia, runs faster on a home run trot than Giancarlo Stanton was running in a live-action play where he was trying to score. He decided that he was out before the ball was even thrown from the outfield.
He just—I've never seen anything like it. Well, if you're giving up on your season, why are you going to sprint risk injury? Like, who cares? He was just going for a walk home.
It was wild. People were blaming the third-base coach.
It's like, if you're a third-base coach, you can't expect a guy to run at 25% speed. Yeah.
So that's a big time lost the clubhouse moment. And some other people were trying to say that.
Aaron Boone. They were trying to say, well, the guy threw the ball at 98 miles an hour.
So that's why it looked bad. It's like he still was running.
He was comparatively to the 98 mile an hour throw. Yeah.
He looked slow. He got slower with every single step.
He was just like, fuck this. Yeah.
I don't want to play anymore. Yeah, he basically looked like he was playing in a beer league softball game and made the decision, I'm not going to slide.
I don't want to hurt my legs. Little League coaches across America are just furious watching this.
Bad example for the youngsters out there. Little League World Series coming up.
Yep. Bosco's just going after everyone.
he's trying to go have you greenlit it yeah okay c-suite hank there we go heard it here first breaking news uh okay pft you're who's back of the week uh my who's back of the week is free speech oh free speech is back finally we're saying everything again elon musk has good news he is going to bankroll any lawsuit for anyone who is adversely impacted at their job or fired because of things that they put out on Twitter. So he says the X company is going to fund, I guess, lawsuits or who knows what he's going to fund.
He's just basically saying, if you've been fired for anything you put on Twitter, if you've been reprimanded at work, we're going to foot your legal bills.

Pretty nice of him. Thank you, Elon Musk.
Yeah. Huge.
Mincy's back. Fucking a man.
Hank, the first thing I thought of is Hank, all the times we've shamed him for liking a vacation tweet. Yeah.
We are going to be in a lot of legal trouble if Hank ever decides to fill out some paperwork. Yeah, I mean a long i could fill out a scroll like a 300 foot scroll of offenses wait fucking a man though that was you just wanted to fuck a man no how would you prove that pretend we're elon musk right now i tweeted a tweet on a friday night not during work hours uh and then i got shame for it roasted social media clips made uh but you what was what did the tweets say fucking a man no no tweets say fucking a man was there a comment there did i say comma and that's okay so that's fucking a man yeah you said fucking a man fucking a man how would anyone read it fucking a man it's fucking a man how is how is elon like how is this going to work it? Fucking A man.
I read it as fucking a man.

How is Elon, like how is this going to work?

I don't know.

I think he just likes to say shit and then never does it.

Yeah.

It's smart.

It is smart.

We do that all the time.

He basically bought Twitter because he wanted people to, like, he wanted his girlfriend to come back to him.

Yeah.

That's why he got himself into this mess in the first place was just he wanted to be cool online. Now he just keeps getting cooler and cooler online.
Yeah. Can Ray Allen sue us for continually bringing up that, that tweet? No, it sounds pre Elon and we're not his employer.
Pre-lon. Was that? Yeah, that's true.
We're not his employer. And it was pre-lon.
I was thinking of the most out of pocket tweets of all time earlier. Do you guys remember the Rashard Mendenhall tweet when we, we when we killed bin laden oh yeah he tweeted out what kind of person celebrates death it's amazing how people can hate a man that have never even heard speak we've only heard one side that was a hell of a take that was a hell of a take just both sides 9-11 what about that chick who uh went to south africa had just yet? Yeah.
Yeah. She's got a big case.

I think she works for a competitor, doesn't she?

I don't know.

I think she does.

Oh, good for her.

Yeah, good for her.

Yeah, she's got a...

What?

What are you guys laughing about?

Cassianos just hit a home run,

as PFT was talking about 9-11.

Oh, that's hilarious.

That's perfect.

He's back.

Also, Matt Olsen just hit a home run.

Matt Olsen's coming on the show on Wednesday. I'll say it right now.
Awesome interview. But I feel like he's taking also Matt Olson just hit a home run Matt Olson's coming on the show on Wednesday I'll say it right now awesome interview but I feel like he's taking it personally he's hit a couple home runs this weekend uh yeah great guy great interview coming for all the baseball seam heads rejoice Matt Olson in person Friday night we got really deep into like baseball strategy yeah we talked a lot of ball great great dude uh okay my Who's Back of the Week is Adam Shine.
I don't know if you guys saw this, but Adam Shine, what does he work? CBS? CBS. I think he has a show on CBS.
He basically had a whole rant that Jordan Love sucks at football and is not going to be a good quarterback, and he's terrible, and he doesn't even know how to play football. Devondre Campbell came to his defense.
Jordan Love's teammate came to his defense, said, ain't no way you just got on here with that baggy-ass Steve Harvey suit and then thick-ass Dollar Tree glasses and disrespected Mike QB by saying he can't play football. He only has one career start.
Let him play at least half a season before you open your big, dumb-ass mouth on Twitter. Adam Schein then replied, this is more of a who's back journalist.
He said appreciate you sharing glasses are awesome. Certainly not a dollar.
Nice flex sports jacket is Calvin Klein. It's great.
You were right from 2019 should retire. Love color though.
And then he dropped this. My pleasure voting you first team all pro two years ago.
Have a great season. He's got receipts.
I mean, that is an all time smug journalist. Be like, oh, yeah, you're telling me I'm bad.
We'll remember the time I voted you all pro. Yeah.
So then that's a complete own on you. I can't imagine tweeting that just being like, yeah, you play this football league.
But who really gives you all the accolades?olades me i do i do love being the first to a take like that he's just like planting his flag jordan love stinks shouldn't be an nfl player and he will absolutely nothing will be held against him if he's wrong yeah but you got to be first to a take yeah it also just reminded me how great our job is because we can just fly takes off all the time and just be like yeah well that's the show yeah and then and then a guy like adam shine gets in front of a camera does like a minute like rant about jordan love sucking and people get very upset he's been yeah he hasn't been even like one percent as wrong as we've been about most things that we talk about things yeah although the packers did they i don't think they televised family night because they're worried they're trying to to coddle Jordan Love. That's what I heard.
That's what the streets are saying. Hmm.
I'm looking at his glasses right now. They might be a dollar.
Yeah. They might be a dollar.
Glasses are cool. Not true.
Sorry. That's just not true.
Yeah. But glasses can look cool.
But if you said to anyone, would you rather wear glasses or not? Everyone's picking not. We got to bring back four eyes as an insult.
Yeah. Nice take, four eyes.
Dude, you're a dork. Like, that's just a fact.
You're a dork. And you got to expect when you put a takeout like that, that NFL players can be like, listen, dork.
If I could, I would give you a wedgie right now. Yeah.
Okay. Any who's back from memes and Max or shane nothing okay good job uh all right let's get to our interview vaughn miller pft you got an ad before we get to vaughn miller yeah before we get to vaughn miller he is being brought to you by rocket money are your subscriptions draining your wallet well the average person has around 12 paid subscriptions and they might not even remember subscribing to half of those.
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slash take rocketmoney.com slash take and now here is Vaughn Miller okay we now welcome on a very special guest recurring guest it's been a little too long it's good to have you back it is Vaughn Miller Super Bowl champion future hall of famer does that sound Does that sound good, future Hall of Famer? I mean, I think three Super Bowl champion or four Super Bowl champion sounds a little bit better. Yeah.
But, yeah, all of that stuff is good, man. I've been playing football a long time.
You know, being here with the Buffalo business is my second year now. So the focus now is just trying to get over at Humpman and trying to bring the city our first Super Bowl.
Yeah. And let's start, though, with how are you feeling? I'm feeling good.
I'm in a great spot. I thought I would be, like, in a position to be able to practice with the guys or at least do, like, individual, but wasn't quite there yet.
But I'm super close. You know, the body's going to do what it's going to do.
Like, physically, you can't really control any of that stuff. All you can do is just come in and put in the work.
You know, in the mental my mental and i'm in a great mental space and you know the body uh come along with it so i just take it one day at a time and just focus on that that's an important thing to remember because as fans we always are like why the fuck isn't this guy back it's like the body the you can't you can't like rush if your body's not ready but we sit there i actually have a theory adrian Adrian Peterson ruined it for everyone because when he tore his ACL and came back in like eight months, everyone was like, oh, that's just what happens now. I mean, my first one, I came back in seven, but I was 24 years old.
Right. 23, 24 years old.
I mean, at 34 years old, it's a little bit different. We got a stacked team.
It really does not make sense to rush back, hurry up and come back you know what I'm saying if I'm ready to go I'm gonna play um but if I'm not it really don't make sense to rush back just to say I you know I made it back for week one yeah are you taking mental reps I'm I'm so active and you guys Jordan man I'm so active in the meeting room at practice um sometimes I ask questions not only for me, but for everybody in the room. You know, year 13, being on so many different defenses, you know, I just ask questions not only for me, but just for everybody to kind of be in the same spot.
That's smart, too, because you can be like, I'm not asking this dumb question for me, but everybody else is probably wondering. But I take it, man.
I don't mind asking the dumb questions, but, you know, half of them will be for me and the other half will be the other half be for everybody us too that's kind of the motto of our podcast yeah yeah ask a lot of dumb questions yeah like pft was wondering if you're still farting in meeting rooms and you should get a fart fine so i actually been a whole lot better like i did like this i did like this i did like this blood diet right and they told me like what foods i digest the best and what foods like cause inflammation in my gut or like um you know performance like draining or whatever and um ever since i just ever since i started sticking to that like i've been great instead of 45 farts a day i probably have like two or three so that's good it doesn't get like crazy as long as i just as long as i just like stick to that eggs was a big one for me yeah before i was eating i I wasn't eating any pork or anything like that, and I was eating a six-egg omelet in the morning. After I took the test, eggs cause so much inflammation in my gut.
So I was eating eggs and dairy, and those are the two things that I'm not supposed to have. You just walked in the room eating a pizza.
That's why I was crazy. I mean, it's just a little cheese on there, so it cheese on there.
So 45 farts a day. That's, that's work.
Yeah. Eggs was, eggs was like the big one.
So as soon as I took that off of like my diet, like things changed. Yeah.
Yeah. I think last time you were on the show, we were talking about your chickens too.
You still got your chickens? Yeah. Green and Pastures, uh, chicken.
It's in Elgin, Texas. We've got about 60 acres.
Um, it's, uh, it's doing pretty well. Um,'s me, Patrick Mahomes, and Drew Brees.
We're all owners in Greener Pastures now. So it's growing.
It's got some big names behind it now. So I'm super excited.
It went from taking a class to help on my GPA in college to, you know, being my plan B. It might even be my plan A.
Yeah, so you were saying that you had some chickens named after Peyton Manning the last time, some of your Bron teammates you have any bills chickens oh no them chickens they long gone that was like that was like eight years ago they long gone they like they uh they long gone they um they was lunch a long long time ago but now but now like it's it's so huge like the operation is so huge that it's it's definitely outgrown like you know the personal chickens but i still have like chickens at home like in my mom and dad's house we still probably got like 30 birds and so it still has that that personal you know aspect of it but i'm not i'm not naming them but you also just kind of undercut yourself a little bit because you said eggs make you fart and you got a chicken farm yeah that's that's bad marketing yeah i mean um as far as like uh you know you got you got two different types of uh of operations. You got the layers that lay eggs all day and you got the broilers.
Those are the ones that you eat. I'm mainly involved in the broiler side of it, the meat production side of it, like thighs, chicken tenders, whole birds, quarters, you know, halves, you know, wings, whatever you want you know, eggs, they're good.
I just don't eat them. Yeah.
So you mentioned Texas. This past year, I feel like there was a lot of talk about Texas A&M being a cult.
Yeah. When you see those clips, are you like, uh-oh, they're finding out more and more about us these days, and I've got to take my ring off and maybe chill out for a second.
No, no. I mean, Texas A&M, we have real traditions that are over 100 years old.
And the great thing about Calistation is everybody buys into every single tradition, whether that's – This is a cult. You're explaining a cult.
Whether that's the ring dunk or, you know, standing up before football games or the midnight yell, everybody really buys into the school spirit there. So I guess I can have the optics of that.
But, you know, everybody just loves Texas A&M and they bleed maroon and white every single year. And, you know, probably over half of the students that we have, their fathers or their mothers went there or their cousins went there.
Yeah, cold. They're not a cold.
Ding, ding, ding. They all drink the Kool-Aid.
They have midnight meetings. They light stuff on fire, and they wear all white.
They're all related. That sounds great.
That sounds great. No, I mean, they really buy into, like, the school spirit there, man.
And I've been to a lot of colleges. You know, after I visited Texas A&M, there's really nothing like it.
Yeah, I mean football as goofy as it seems like it is about tradition so don't apologize for tradition i mean i i love it i mean if you could call it a code i can see how it comes across as that but i love texan and i believe maroon and white i got my texan and tattoo right there yeah well you're not a cult you gotta i like the super bowl tattoo on your thigh super bowl tattoo that one's sick. Do you only have one or do you have a second one? I.
You got a genius tattoo. I like the Super Bowl tattoo on your thigh.

Super Bowl tattoo.

That one's sick.

Do you only have one or do you have a second one?

I haven't got a second one yet, but I'm going to get it yet.

I'm going to get it.

Running out of space.

I just got like, you know, I've been doing this for 18 years.

I've been doing this since I was 18, so I've been doing this a while, man.

And running out of space, so I got a hair.

You know what would be sick if every time you win a Super Bowl, you get the Lombardi tattoo on your eye.

That'd be dope.

That'd be dope.

Like a teardrop.

I have four Lombardis under my right eye.

Did the second one, was it as meaningful as the first one?

Yeah, it was.

You know, they're two totally different experiences, but they're both special to me.

They're kind of like, you know, my kids.

Like, I got two sons, and I love them both the same, but they're two totally different beings. And that was the same with the Super Bowl in L.A.
and the Super Bowl with the Denver Broncos. That was my first one, won a Super Bowl MVP.
We were the huge underdogs in that. We won it for Peyton Manning and DeMarcus Ware and Coach Kubiak and Wade Phillips and, you know, all of those guys.
And we won nine games that season within three points or less, so we had to scratch and fight all the way through the year to get there. So it was a really, really special experience.
We had went to the Super Bowl two years before and lost. We were supposed to go to the Super Bowl before that with Peyton Manning, and, you know, we got put out the first round by the Annapolis Col.
So it was a, it was a special experience. And then you, I get, I'm with the Denver Broncos, we were struggling and I walk into the facility and I get traded.
Didn't even know, like, didn't even have the slightest idea that I was about to get traded. I get traded to the Los Angeles Rams.
I'm like, man, how are you guys going to afford me? Y'all got AD and Matthew Stafford and Jalen Ramsey. They paid my whole salary for me to go.

I go there, and right when I land on the plane, it was just focusing on winning the Super Bowl.

A.D. had been there, I think, two or three years before, and they lost to the Patriots.

All the knowledge that I had from my two Super Bowl experiences before, gave it to those guys.

They just ate it up like goldfish, man. Everybody was on board to win a Super Bowl experiences before.
Gave it to those guys, and they just like ate it up like goldfish, man. And everybody was on board to win a Super Bowl.
And, you know, we lost the last game of the season to the 49ers. If we would have won that, we would have been the number one seed.
But we lose that, and we end up being the number four seed. We got to go to Tampa to play Tom Brady at home.
And we was the underdogs there. We win like at the very, very end of the game.
And then we play the, now the 49ers go to Green Bay and they beat Green Bay at their spot. Now we play them back at home.
We ended up beating those guys, which we hadn't beat. We hadn't beat the team in like the last four games.
And we scratch one out and win that. And then we play our Super Bowl in our stadium and a tough ball game with Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals and win that.
So they're both totally different, but they both were extremely special. So talking about that Rams Super Bowl run, are there moments, even as a professional athlete, where you're like, well, that was really lucky.
We needed that luck. I'm mostly thinking about the 49ers dropped interception in the NFC Championship game.
Do you guys afterwards, like, well, that was – you need luck sometimes. You You need luck 100%.
Especially in football, it's not like basketball where you get seven games to really decide a winner. You get one hour.
Yeah. Either you own or you're not.
If you go back to the 2015 Super Bowl when we played the Carolina Panthers, like if we play those guys 10 times, I don't see us beating those guys, you know. We probably beat those guys twice.

You know what I'm saying? They had one of the most amazing

offenses and amazing teams

in NFL history. Cam Noon

MVP and Luke Keekly on defense.

We were able to just scratch one out

and win that one. It takes

a little bit of luck.

What I try to really preach to

these guys here is really the mental

aspect of it. What separates good teams from other good teams is really the mental.
Who is showing up on Sunday? What are we doing? Is everybody on the same page? Are we capitalizing on each and every opportunity that we get? Sometimes you don't get those opportunities, and that's just how football goes. But once the ball bounces our way, we've got to take advantage of each and every opportunity that the other team presents itself and still need that that little element of luck and you know you just gotta keep fighting it out and that's where we're at we're here with the with the buffalo bills man we just need another shot at it got unlucky last year with a lot of injuries and now we got josh allen back and with year six and we got a better team than what we had last year healthy defense healthy offense you just take another shot at it yeah do you ever feel like you're in're in the zone when you're pass rushing? Like every single thing that you're breaking out is going to work.
It's a fake spin move. It's, you know, speed, power.
It's all clicking. Yeah.
I mean, right when I'm driving up to the stadium, like it's just like this transition from the jokester VUN and, you know, the playful VUN to like the quiet VUN, focusing on the next play and anticipating like what the offense does. Like I barely even talk to my, what the offense does.
Like, I barely even talk to my teammates. Like, you can ask Jordan, like, I barely even talk to my teammates.
They got a pacifier mouthpiece, and it's just, like, I'm just big odds, and I'm just – I'm really just focusing on making a play for my team. So transition from the playful one, the joking one, to, like, Terminator, like, focusing on making plays.
So speaking of your pass rushing the ghost move you've perfected it it's the coolest thing to watch people don't know it it's von basically waits for the offensive lineman to to try to punch out at him and he dips under him and like when it happens it it usually ends up in a sack have you had a ghost move where the offensive lineman afterwards like what the fuck was that dude like how did you just do that because it is it's something special to watch on on film I think you know the ghost move is uh it's definitely it's a cool move to watch you know not only me but all the guys that are able to do it's a cool move to watch because you dip the guy and you have to stay on balance but out of 123 and a half sacks that i have i probably got four of them four sacks out of that are ghost moves and everybody just highlights those sacks but you know i really don't try to focus on that i really try to focus on um anticipating the snap count getting the best jump that i can on the ball and i just try to um dictate the rush i don't want i don't want the offensive lineman to jump back and be waiting on me to get there i don don't want to wrestle with this guy all game. I want to get a great jump.
I want to really be in tune with the snap count and the play clock and the situation in the game. And, you know, if that happens, it's just like a curveball.
That's all it is is a curveball. I love them guys all day.
And if it's open, you know, I take that chance. But it's really a curveball.
I understand how it's highlighted because it's –

It looks cool.

It looks really fucking cool.

It looks cool, but I really – it's just really a curveball.

Have you double ghosted anyone before?

I have.

I've ghosted a tight end and ghosted the –

I saw I was getting chipped and I ghosted a guy and the lineman came out

and I ghosted a guy too.

So it wasn't on purpose.

It was just like that's all I had to do.

Have you ever done a fake ghost one way and then ghost the other way no that's a lot that would be a maybe that's the next one i'd like because you got to get a great jump so all of my momentum is going forward and then uh show a ghost and i probably had to spin back around and then ghost yeah that's that's a lot you want to get to you only get 2.2 seconds to get to the quarterback the fake ghost would be an awesome move move if you could pull it off. That's the next level.
Is there a quarterback that you like hitting more than others? I just like getting my job done. I don't want guys to see this and be like, well, you said you like second.
Because everybody has pride in this league, and I don't want to amp none of these guys up. You say Phillip Rivers.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Phillip, he did help out my career a lot.
I love Phillip Rivers out my career a lot. I love, I love Phillip Rivers though.
He loves shit talking too, right? Like, but he doesn't, he doesn't cuss. Yeah, he doesn't, but he never really did that to me.
That's crazy. I sacked him 17 times.
Yeah. You know, he never really did.
He's your favorite sack. That's what he did.
Actually after Phillip Rivers like retired, we became like, like super close, man. Like I spent time with him in Mississippi at the Senior Bowl.
It was like the Senior Bowl Hall of Fame. I've seen him at the Pro Bowl and stuff.
I've been able to give him his flowers. We've become closer after he retired than what we were when we were playing.
I love Phillip Rivers. I especially love him on the football field, but I love him off the field as well.
You were talking about plan A, plan B. You've also talked about potentially being a GM for an NFL team.
You also said that Drew Locke is a rock star. When you were on our show in 2018, you said Mitch Trubisky is special.
Yeah. I wasn't lying.
You still think he can be a GM? I wasn't lying about none of those guys. I mean, Drew Locke, he was a rock star.
He is a rock star. Mitch Trubisky is special.
He is special. I mean, I didn't say the guy's the best quarterback in the league.
Yeah, true. That's smart.
Better than Patrick Mahomes or anything like that. But I feel like with the right coach and the right quarterback, that's the trick.
You've got to really find the right coach, the right quarterback, and really build the infrastructure of the team, not only the coaches, but the cafeteria workers and the right quarterback, that's the trick. You've got to really find the right coach, right quarterback, and really build the infrastructure of the team, not only the coaches, but the cafeteria workers and the janitors and the front office people.
And I really have a – I feel like I have – I feel like I can put a championship team together, not because I just have this special talent. It's because I just compare it to the other teams that I've been on.
It's great to have a good janitor, awesome to have good cafeteria food, even better to have a good quarterback. True.
I mean, you're not always going to be able to get a quarterback. It's hard to find a Josh Allen.
It's hard to find a Patrick Mahomes. But you still got to be able to put a competitive product on the field.
Didn't you say that Drew Locke had the most impressive, incomplete pass that you've ever seen in practice one time? Yeah, I did. I did.
I did. I did.
I did. It was – he had threw it.
Like, I don't know if he thought the receiver was going to beat it or not, but, like, you know, he threw this ball, and the way he, like, stepped into it, it was super nice. Rock stars.
I'm always – another thing, too, about being a player, like, I'm going ample my guys. Yeah.
You know, from a GM – Yeah,. Yeah.
You know, from a GM or a talent evaluation perspective, it's totally different. But when I'm on a team with guys, like, every guy that I play with, whether that's my D tackle on the inside or the quarterback across the field, like, I just – I'm optimistic like that.
I believe in my guys. But from a talent evaluation, it's totally different.
So do you think you really want to pursue this? Because that's a lot of work. And I'm always curious about a guy like you who has done such great things, future Hall of Famer, made a ton of money.
You then want to go back and grind and be in the office all the time? I mean, it's just the perspective that you have on it. Like, I really enjoy, like, evaluating talent.
I really enjoy putting the right coach with the right player. Creating a, I think I would really enjoy, you know, creating a team like the Buffalo Beals have.
So, I don't think it's, I don't think it's, if you look at it as work, then it's going to be work. Like, you don't want to go to work, I got to look at these guys.
But I don't really look at it like that. This is something I've been doing my whole entire life.
I've been playing football since I was in the fifth grade. Like, evaluating talent I was in the fifth grade.
So it's just something that it doesn't really feel like work to me. I mean, maybe when I get there, like it'll be totally different.
But being around the great GMs that I've been around from Brandon Bean, Les Snead, George Payton, John Elway, John Lynch. Like, you know, you can't really look at it like work.
So evaluate this talent. Tell us maybe a edge rusher who doesn't get talked about a lot who you're like he is elite and he he doesn't he needs more shine um it's a it's a lot of them in the league i think um i think i think jalen phillips for the miami dolphins is a really good pass rusher i think, you know, it's just a matter of time before he blows up.

He has all the tools. Like, he has a great getoff.
He's long. He's super strong.
He's in the right scheme, especially with Coach Fangio. I think, you know, I think over time, like, you know, he's become one of the top pass rushers in the league.
Everybody knows, like, a Miles Garrett or guys like that. I like I think

the kid in Houston would be great. Will Anderson.
Yeah, they're comparing him to you. I mean, that's great.
I think he'd be great. I saw some clips, and he's really explosive.
I think once he, like – it's just a matter of time for him. I really like – of course, you know, like know Nick Bosa and Joey Bosa and all those guys.
I like Nwasu, the pass rusher for the Seattle Seahawks. He just signed a great deal.
That was a great pickup for those guys. In the right scheme, he's been productive for a long time, especially with the Los Angeles Chargers.
It's a lot of of guys, especially we got a lot of rookies coming in too. I like the kid for the Oakland Raiders.
Not the Oakland Raiders, but the Las Vegas Raiders. He's going to be rotating with Chandler Jones and Max Crosby.
He's been injured to start it off, but when he was at Texas Tech, I think it was Tyree. Oh, he just got drafted.
I think his name is Tyree. It's weird to say Texas Tech defensive player.
Yeah. It's like the first time in 20 years.
Yeah, I mean, he has all the tools, and it's just a matter of time. But then again, like, you know, you hit and miss as well.
Like, guys had – J.J. Watt went – he was picked number 14.
I think number 14 or number 12. And Patrick Mahomes is picked in the double digits as well.
So you hit and miss all the time. Like, so you just got to get lucky.
I think number 14 or number 12. Patrick Mahomes is picked in the double digits as well.
You hit and miss all the time. You just got to get lucky.
I think you really got to listen to the guys around you too. If I'm in a situation where I have guys around me that can really show me that I'll be able to listen to those guys.
Another guy too, we got guys on our team as well from Greg Rousseau is going to have a breakout year. I didn't want to look at my guys, but we really have a lot of talent on this team.
Greg Rousseau is going to have a breakout year. I love Ed Oliver.
Ed Oliver. Are you and him, you guys ride horses together? No, we don't.
We talk about horses all the time, though. You got to remember when Ed Oliver was in college, he was on the Heisman watch.
Yeah. He got his coat taken away from him, though.

He was considered one of the best defensive player that whole year.

So Ed Oliver is great, and it's just a matter of time for Ed Oliver and Gregory.

So I didn't want to like, you know, of course I'm around these guys all day,

but those two guys, I had to talk about those guys as well.

Those are good answers.

So what about, where do we stand right now with your dad?

Do you still kiss him on the lips?

I try to.

I try to.

He pulls away?

I try to.

And I might get him too.

He might be asleep, you know, but he might be sleeping.

I might just kiss him on the lips.

But me and my dad got a very, very special relationship, man.

Sleeping, kissing him on the lips.

You know, we just got a special relationship, man.

And I'm very, very fortunate. Now, me being a dad as well, like, I want to have, like, that same type of relationship with my kids.
You know, we joke around and spend time together. So, you know, shout out to my dad.
Shout out to my mom, too. She does a great job as well.
And, you know, I'm blessed to have a great mom and great dad and beautiful children. I mean, so when you first, that clip happened, I've become a dad since you first came on.
And, and yeah i kiss my kids on the lips all the time there is some times though every now and then like where my son will like grab the back of my head and i'm like whoa dude that's too much it's like all right to come in for the kiss i'm like all right yeah my son he's he's 23 months so he'd be he'd be two years in a month so i just just to be able to communicate with him like give dad give dad a kiss and him do it yeah super special yeah yeah you know whatever i man i want to have the same relationship that i have with my dad uh with my with my kids as well that's awesome yeah that's great was he mad at you when he said that no he wasn't we we talk about it all the time actually we talk about it all the time and um you know sometimes he's in the mood for it you know sometimes sometimes he's grumpy how can you tell he's in the mood for it just depends you know sometimes he's grumpy. How can you tell he's in the mood for it?

It just depends.

You know how parents be.

You know, sometimes, you know, they either had a long day,

you know, feel like playing, but I still do it, and he'd be grumpy.

You know, sometimes he'll see me off top, and he'll try to kiss me.

So, you know, it's all right.

He probably would never admit that.

But, yeah, I love my dad, and we got a special relationship for sure.

That's great.

When we were sitting down prepping for this interview, I was some of uh some of the news stories about you in the past you remember when the nfl used to test for weed how stupid was that shit i mean they still do supposedly do that oh they still do they still do but um you know i think it's just i think it's just like you know with anything else like it's just not I don't think it's it's not what you do it's just it's how you do it and I think if you if you're really responsible and whatever you do like you know if you always put football first and you got your priorities first I mean you know everything else it comes after that it doesn't matter if it's basketball baseball soccer you know as long as as you put your priorities first and you're responsible.

And, you know, like I said, it's not about, you know, what you do, but how you do it.

It's just insane to me that looking back, if we fast forward like 20, 30 years from now, thinking back to like the start of the 2000s where it was like a serious deal in

the NFL.

Yeah.

Guys getting suspended, having their money taken away.

I've been in the league 13 years and so much has changed in this decade.

So, you know, before like it was it was crazy. Like, guys can suspend it.
Like, you know, now it's like, you know, it's not even, like, as serious as it was. I think the more knowledge that they have around it and the more education that we get, like, and just the perception of it, you time passes on, things have changed.

But like I said, this is a multi-billion dollar organization.

You don't want to be promoting stuff like that.

But at the same time, once you have education and once you really get to the bottom of it,

it's not as serious as it used to be.

20 years from now, when my son get ready to come in the league,

we might not even be testing for it.

Mandatory smoke sessions.

Yeah. Are you still doing the Halloween party? No, here at Buffalo, it's Josh Allen.
Okay, he's got the Halloween party. So that's probably good that it's off your – It is, it is.
You don't have to deal with it anymore. Man, that Halloween party was crazy, man.
Especially like leaving – like my last Halloween party that I threw in Denver, like the type of the shit that we went through like

whatever. like leaving like my last Halloween party that I threw in Denver like the the type of the shit that we went through like that Halloween party is crazy from guys going to jail well we had Chad Kelly on the show he's a friend of ours yeah he explained the whole situation we now completely you know defend him he was like flying back and forth cross-country yeah he had a girl come in so it was just a you know it was a perfect storm for him yeah and um you know i you know i hate that i hated that happened because it's all fun like it was all supposed to be fun like just think about it halloween teammates yeah private party invite all the sports in denver basketball soccer and everybody else it was meant to be a great time you know we have um so many different uh ways to secure the venue It was meant to be a great time.

I hate that that happened to Chad for sure.

Have you talked to Jim Kelly about it at all?

No, I haven't.

I've seen Jim.

That would be funny if he was like, hey.

No, I've seen Jim a couple of times, but I steer away from that for sure.

Chad's crushing it, though.

He's killing it in Canadian football.

He's right across the border.

Yeah.

You should invite him to the Halloween party this year.

Yeah.

I got to ask Josh, man. Yeah, we'll talk to Josh about that.
That is Josh's deal. He had a Halloween party last year, and it was great.
It's not like... Josh Allen throwing a party and Von throwing a party.
You can still have fun, it's just in different ways. It's different.
It's still fun. That's the nicest way to say that your parties are way more lit.
It's still fun. It's just different.
This is a different kind of one. I would rather go to the Von Miller.
Yes. I mean, they're both fun.
I mean, Josh Allen, like, man, Josh Allen is one of the guys. Like, he's not like other quarterbacks.
Like, he could hang out with the defensive linemen and the offensive linemen all day and the receivers. Like, he's nut-checking guys and playing pranks.
He's a great golfer. He's one of the boys.
What's the etiquette on that? Because me and Big Cat had a thing. We used to hit each other in the nuts for the first year, year and a half of the podcast.
It got taken a little bit too far. It was a hard nut shot ball, so we agreed to the truce.
That still happens, though, in the NFL. Guys just go around.
So, you know, I've been on a couple of teams. In Denver, like, everybody knew me there.
Like, so it's a little bit different. You know, once you got to know it, you got to really know a guy.
Yeah, how long when you get into town? Like, you show up in L.A., right? How long till you hit the first nut shot? I didn't do it at all. I was only there for half a season.
Like, it was all like it was all like winning super bowls and like of course you know of course like i let my personality you know i let you show them my personality but you know every day especially got aaron donald like you don't want to walk up and not check no like that'd be crazy yeah what about you not check anybody i mean it's still like you know it's still like it's i'm 13 years in the league too now like i'm 34 years old like so it's just it's just a different perspective but i think really leaving denver it kind of like you know helped me like grow like on my own because in denver i will always be looked at as you know von miller i was a rookie there yeah you know i grew up there you know i had my my my first kid there like you could all you it's so much it's only so much that you can do to really break out of that perception you know and then you go from Denver from just being Vaughn to like LA Vaughn Miller like help us win a Super Bowl and then we win a Super Bowl and you come here with the Buffalo Bills and it's all about winning Super Bowls as well so they're gonna always I let my hair down and I know you guys Jay like I joke and I'm not fucking around but like you know it's it's it's really like I'm the oldest guy on the team yeah I'm the oldest guy like I'm the oldest guy on team like that makes gotta be a little weird feeling I'm not fucking around, but, like, you know, it's really like – I'm the oldest guy on the team, too. I'm the oldest guy.
Like, I'm the oldest guy on the team. That makes people – It's got to be a little weird feeling.
It's crazy. Like, I'm 34 years old.
I'm the oldest guy on the team. So it's just – no, it's just – you know, I'd still joke around and fuck around with the guys.
But, like, you know, it's just some stuff that I do, some stuff that I don't. Yeah.
How many more years you got on your deal? Five. So you could play until you're 39.
Yeah, I could play until I'm 39. Yeah.
I mean, in my mind, like, I mean, if I leave the Buffalo Bills, I'm done. Like, if Bing trade me, like, I'm done.
Like, wherever I get to, I'm done. Like, I'm wrapping them up.
Like, this is my last stop. Like, I love this place.
I love Rochester. I love Buffalo.
I love my teammates here. They're going to build a statue of you guys if you have a Super Bowl.

We're going to win.

We're going to win.

I love the way the infrastructure of this team.

Coach McDermott, like Brandon Bean, our position coach, Coach Washington,

he's the best defensive line coach that I've ever had.

He focuses on really teaching the man and then the player learn.

So you have a mentor in there. And, you know, we still fucking around and joking there, but he gets serious as well.
He's got a military background as well. He commands respect from his guys.
And, you know, he wants to see everybody win. So I just have a really, really special environment here.
And I want to stay here and play as long as possible. I got, you know, three more years guaranteed on my deal, five more years on the contract.
Like, we went two or three Super three Super Bowls, then I'll be done. That's a good deal that you signed.
Yeah, that's a great deal. You signed a good contract.
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And now, more Von Miller. So you mentioned the people of Buffalo.
How much, so the story goes that when you got here last year, you didn't like the toilet paper, and then Bill's Mafia sent you. How much toilet paper did they actually send you? Man, it went crazy.
It was like boxes. I'm thinking about rows.
It's probably like 400 rows. Jesus Christ.
And then wipes too. then they were sending wipes too they sent like vegan wipes and then they sent like specialty wipes wipes that i've never even heard of like you know you hear like dude wipes and all that stuff too but they had like all type of like special wipes come and it was great but this year coming in like i think i was just kind of shell-shocked last year too because i was coming from la from L.A., like Calabasas.
I was looking at a house next to Colleen Jenner and down the street from Lil Wayne and those guys. And then I'm in Buffalo, and I live next to Coach McDermott.
Right, right. So it's like it was just a – Culture shock.
It just took me a second. And me and Jordan, we signed on the same day.
He started his career here, went to Arizona, and then he came back here. And I was like, Jordan, like, hey, why – like, Buffalo? He's like, bro, you're going to love it here.
And, you know, it took me a second, but, like, it just eats at you, man. And, like, I fucking love this place, man.
Yeah, yeah. It is one of the best cities in the country.
I love it here. If you really love playing football, right? If you love playing football,

you're all about football.

You want to win a Super Bowl.

All the other

stars and the glittery stuff,

it really don't matter. I've been playing football my whole entire

life. I want to win another Super Bowl.

This gives me the best chance to do it with Josh Allen

and our defense. Not only that,

the infrastructure that we have. As long as

Brandon Bean is the GM and Coach McDermott is the coach and we got Josh Allen, we're going to be able to have a competitive product each and every year. Yeah, so you like the cold weather? I have a special relationship with the cold weather.
I don't think anybody likes the cold weather, but I like the advantage that it gives for me. I'm rushing the passer.
I'm not throwing the ball, catching the ball, none of that. I'm wrapping my fingers up and I'm going out there and nobody wants to come to Buffalo.
We don't have the nice hotels for teams when they come here. You're staying in like...
Quinta. Yeah, you're staying in like...
You're not staying in a five-star, four seasons, Ritz-Carlton type of hotel here. People don't want to come to Buffalo.
It's cold. Our defense is here.
You got Jordan Phillips, you know, cracking God's skulls, and I'm jumping to snap count, and we got Jordan Poirier and Micah Hyde. Nobody wants to come here and play.
That's why I really enjoy the cold because it gives me an extra advantage. When you see a lineman and they're wearing sleeves, are you like, pussy? Does that give you an edge? No, I mean, I wear sleeves.
Yeah, but you're allowed to. You're allowed to as a defensive end.
Yeah, you play defense. No, not really, man, because, you know, in this league, man, I really try to not – I try not to pass, like, judgment.
When I see a lineman in Jordan Cleats, though, like – Yeah? I do. Like, that's just one thing.
It's too flashy. It's too much.
It's just like – What are you doing? Yeah. You're supposed to be a hard-nosed, like, tough-ass, and you got Jordan cleats that are supposed to be size 10 or size 11, and you got a size 16 long-ass Jordan cleat.
You know what I'm saying? They do look goofy on line. So I don't really like passing stereotypes on guys, man, because it's ballers and Jordan cleats as well now.
Yeah, but that's a wide receiver cleat. I mean, not even wide receivers.
I don't know. When I see offensive linemen, it's just like, bro, what are you doing? Yeah, they do.
You're supposed to be like a tough, like, you know, barbarian. Yeah, you should be rocking like 10s.
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Last question. You played with Aaron Donald for the Rams, won a Super Bowl.
Were there any moments where you rushed the passer and you're like, where is everyone? And then you realized they were all just trying to block Aaron Donald? Like, did it? Were there moments where you're like, my job is significantly easier because everyone just cares about him? know to be honest that was one of the toughest situations too like to leave aaron donald like you know fuck would like fuck would like uh if we gonna win games or not or like if we're gonna have like just by playing with aaron donald and leonard floyd and leonard floyd is over here with us now but you know just by playing with aaron donald leonard floyd get great games like was – if we could have had that for a couple more years, like I knew I could have racked up sacks. Yeah.
You know, they're going to slide in double and triple team Aaron Donald. So I just go away from Aaron Donald, me and Greg Gaines, and we're going to get the two-on-two each and every time.
So, you know, Aaron Donald is a great player, man. And that was one of the toughest situations.
I got great players here. And I think that was just meant for me.
All the things that I learned from Aaron Donald, being around Aaron Donald, I tell that to Ed Oliver. And I tell that to, you know, Greg Russo and Jordan Phillips.
And I just, I tell them all the things that made him great. And, you know, iron sharpens iron.
And if we could just get a taste of that, nobody could ever be like Aaron Donald, but if they could just get a taste of that and be like that in any way man we'd be good yeah yeah love it especially ed oliver man like you know he he's he's he's super special and once he like once he like really really like taps into like his super saiyan like 10 mode like he'd be special as well i wouldn't say you know aaron donald is his own creature but ed but Ed Oliver would be able to create his own way just like Aaron Dawn. He has all the tools necessary to be great in his life.
Yeah. He's a beast, yeah.
He just doesn't have a coat. That clip is funny.
Have you ever given him shit for it? No, I talked about it. We talked about it.
We talked about it, and he said, you know, the coach has said that he was, you know, him and the coach, they, like, talked about it, like, after. Was it Dana? I don't think Dana was there yet.
No, he wasn't there. I've got a coach's name.
But they're on good terms now. They talked about it.
For people who don't know, Ed Oliver was injured, and he had a coat on on the sideline, and they took his coat away. They're like, this is only for players.
He's the best player in college football. I know.
It was the craziest clip ever. Offense or defense.
It was nuts. How do you take another man's coat away? The coach said he was tripping.
Yeah, it was petty. It was the pettiest move I've ever seen.
Yeah. I mean, sometimes, too, that's what I like about this place.
Coach McDermott and Coach Washington and Brandon Bean, they just get it. It's all about winning.
That's one of the special things about L.A. as well.
Coach McVay, he didn't care about anything but winning. He didn't care about how you got there, whatever you did to prepare.
He cared about the product on the field. And these guys are the same way, man.
He cared about his beard a little too. You don't want a coach to get in the way.
You don't want a coach to get in the way. McVay definitely cares about his beard.
He's always shirtless. He likes his third straps.
He does a little. He sees the barber a little too often.
You talking about Coach McVay? Yeah. He actually came up to us in Indy one year.
He's like, why are you guys giving me shit about my beard all the time? Yeah. Well, now that we know this bothers you, we're going to do it more.
Coach McVay, he's cool, man. Yeah, he's the best.
I mean, all these, man, you got to be a special guy to command respect out of all of these barbarians that's on these football teams, man. Yeah, it's not an shout out to the rams and the denver broncos and you know the buffalo bills as well man i've been blessed to play in three great franchises for sure yeah real quick we talked a little bit about ed and his horse another denver guy just won a championship in the nba who's obsessed with horses yokich you know i didn't know that yeah's obsessed with racing horses.
Does he ride them or does he just breed them? He used to ride them, but then he became too big. He's seven foot.
Yeah. He was doing the chariot race.
He won a horse racing championship back home, and he looked happier than he did when he won the NBA title finals. Oh, that's crazy.
I didn't know that, man. But Jokic, he's a great dude, man.
I've talked to him after games, and we swapped jerseys and stuff. And congratulations to the Denver Nuggets as well, because they've been at the brink of it for a very long time.
And I've been in Denver. I was in Denver, and I got to Denver in 2011.
So I saw the progression. I saw the progression, and the teams get better and better.
And Jamal Mary had been injured, and now he was healthy. And we have been close for a long time.
So it's cool to see those guys win the championship for sure. Well, Vaughn, we love having you on, man.
Thank you. You're one of our favorite guests.
So good luck this year working for you and Josh in the city of Buffalo. Yes, sir.
Thank you. Gig'em.
I appreciate you going. There you go.
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I want to put my hand up. I messed up.
Me too. I fucked up big time.
Well, obviously, we have the point deduction from earlier this season when I retweeted the poll accidentally. My thumb slipped and Hank narked on me.
Excuse me, Jake narked on me to Hank. That was a mistake.
So we're down by one point. It's going to be neck and neck going down the stretch.
Yeah.

And what was the hand up?

Oh, just for that.

Well, a hand up also because I tweeted out the video of Max talking about titty fucking because it was a very funny video.

And then everyone agreed with me online.

Not everyone.

Not everyone.

You guys were upset to see the amount of people that agreed with me.

Not everyone.

I had faith.

Not everyone.

I had so much faith in my guy.

Oh, really?

You had a lot of faith?

Yeah, I let him pick.

Yeah. You said afterwards, like, that was the worst pick.
It made me laugh, and he was right. I have no problem admitting that I was wrong, and he was right, and that's why I let him cook when I have to.
LeBron won us that draft. Titties, fucking.
Fucking A titties. What was the worst conversation you had afterwards, Max, about the titty fucking? I don't even...
My mother was not happy. She thought that you guys were upset with me for saying it publicly.
Oh, she thought like as like... As like bosses.
We're like, that's inappropriate, Max. Yeah, I was upset with you for saying it because it was so wrong.
Yeah, no, no. They were like, Hank was not happy that you made that pick.
And I was like, that's not why. Either way, Mr.
Positions was born. Yeah, Jake.
The tit god. I threw up a little in my mouth later, thinking about Mr.
Positions. More than once.
Marsha Sutra. Okay, what's the order? Mount Rushworth acronyms.
We are first. Shout out John Rich.
We are first. For the idea.
You guys are second. Max, Memes, and Billy are third.
Okay, so Memes will be doing the picking. No, not Max.
Memes, Billy, and Jake will be third. Are you just trading Max? Memes has gotten some suggestions from Billy and Jake.
Memes, will you be going rogue or will you be going off the script? I'll try to go off the script just because they're the ones. Off the script or off the script? On the script.
You try to go on script? On script because in the end they'll be doing the punishment. So got to have to live with their picks.
Right. But I'm going to help out.
Are they in agreement, or are they just sending you both stuff independently? So they're both busy right now, so they just kind of rattled off a bunch. I'm going to help out in between.
So there's no, like, bliss, though. Jake did send a list.
Okay. Okay.
All right, we have first pick. Mount Rushmore of Ackerman.
First pick, no-brainer, 1-1, probably the most searched acronym in the history of acronyms, MILF. Oh, good pick.
That's a good pick, Hank. Good pick.
Okay. Man, we're a football podcast.
Yeah. And we'll know what MILF.
Doesn't matter. It's the acronym.
Okay, okay. All right.
Which one do you prefer? I like Man, I Love Frogs, but... Okay.
Mm-hmm. Okay.
It is. You want to go 1-1? Yeah.
Yeah, let's go 1-1. Go ahead, you say.
Maybe the most searched acronym of all time. NSFW.
Yes. Not safe for work.
Great when you know you're about to click on it. Milf is...
Bad boy when you click on it. Infinitely more.
Is there an NSFW on tab on Pornhub? Yeah. Yeah.
Google. It's the entire website now.
Google says, do you want to get real with this shit? And they're like, yeah, I do. There's nothing better than seeing the NSFW and then clicking it.
Has there ever been anyone who has not clicked NSFW? It's basically saying a giant red button that says, click this, it's going to rule. It's either going to be someone dying, someone getting fucked, some weird injury.
Just give it to me, all of it. Nothing's NSFW if your boss is cool enough.
Yeah. Well, that's what I've never really had to worry about NSFW.
And there's a lot of kids that are college kids, high school there's. I think the majority of NSFWs get clicked.
I don't think a lot of people are actually heeding that. I think it's just a blinking light of, hey, you should actually click this.
We should put NSFW on all our videos that we put out on Twitter. Right.
And people watch way more of them. Yeah.
That's facts. Okay.
We're going to go with R11. It's going to be NFL.
Okay. Good pick.
Okay. And then the second pick, FBI.
Oh, that's Billy. Is that Billy? Yeah, that was Billy.
Billy probably hates the FBI. Why would FBI be a good acronym? Just going off the list.
It's the cops. Female body inspector.
Okay. All right.
Well, we have our number two that we'll take as well. Let's do it.
We'll come back around and we'll go with USA. I'm surprised Billy didn't take that one.
USA. USA.
USA. Are any rules? Does it not? I love America, so I'm not going to denigrate that pick.
Okay. Anyone else have a problem with USA? That's a good pick.
Thank you. Thank you.
USA. There are two wolves inside of you.
One reacts to Bin Laden's death with that. The other is with Sardin Mendele.
Sardin Mendele. There's nothing better than a random USA chant.
It's good. It always plays.
In the wild. What do you think, Max? You think we go three? What's going on here, boys boys um oh back to the numbers yeah i don't know about three nah i like three i like three fuck it fuck it yolo okay okay we had it we had that motto great song great phrase it is kind of overused but also it's one of those things where it is a little bit goofy

to say, but there's also times where you're like, you know what?

Fuck it.

YOLO.

Yeah.

Let's YOLO it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

YOLO had a moment.

I feel like YOLO has kind of dipped down.

It was such a popular phrase that it kind of got oversaturated and exposed, but it was

popular for a reason.

It's a victim of its own success.

And Drake's on.

I think we have another one here, right?

Yeah.

I think we should go with the one that I responded.

My first reply to your initial list.

All right, go for it.

GOAT.

Okay.

You want to say anything?

I mean, it's literally the GOAT.

It's the greatest of all time of acronyms.

It is.

I mean, great.

So why don't you pick it?

Greatest of all acronyms.

Yeah.

Times.

Go should have picked it one one.

You could have.

It would have been a good pick.

It's good value.

That means it's good value.

Yeah.

OK.

OK.

PFT.

We got a lot here.

Yeah.

I like I like number 12. Oh, yeah.
Let's do to do 12 let's get bonked pog fat-ass white girl let's go it's a great it's a great acronym that when you say it out loud it like makes the sound that you see the button yeah it Yes. It's like, I knew what a pog was before I knew what it stood for.

Yes.

Yes.

Pogs all day, every day.

We're so old, we know what real pogs were.

Yeah.

Milk caps, baby.

Yeah.

Just pogging it up.

What a dumb game.

Mr. Positions actually texted us and said, he was like, I had to look that one up.

Of course he did.

I want to see what he clicked on when he Googled pogog. He probably was like, wait, shouldn't it be F-A-W-G? He was like, I didn't know what it was, but I'll trust you guys.
Let's try to get him to say that word later. Our next pick, O-T-P-H-J.
Okay. Over the hand.
Over the pants handjob. Yep.
Yep Okay That's a good pick Mr. Positions Strikes again And then for our last one We'll go with TGIF Okay Good pick Good pick Good pick Okay We can go 14 Yeah We just want to stay horny.

14 or 6.

Oh, man.

Let's just do 14.

Yeah, let's do 14.

Let's go.

We'll just go with an old-fashioned BJ.

BJ.

Max loves that one.

You want a BJ?

You think that's overrated too, Max?

No comment.

You love BJs.

No comment.

You're a BJ guy.

You love BJs.

No comment. If you're not a titty fuck guy

that means where are you gonna put it yeah that's running the ball there's only a couple other

places you can put it yeah yeah you did you guy did you notice in the uh in the last one of

overrated things when max took titty fucking billy kept trying to say yeah but you can also get a

blowjob while you're doing it he was just trying to to make sure everybody knew that he had a long dick. I mean, yeah, he fucks books.
Yeah. Do you ever...
It is funny every now and then coming across that one guy who's like, I don't even like blowjobs. Okay.
Yeah. What's wrong with you? More for me.
Yeah. Oh, blowjobs? I can't even cum.
Okay. That's your problem, dude.
You're just asexual. Yeah.
Yeah. It's not even like, yeah.
Yeah. What was God thinking? Fun for all the families.
But you know what I'm talking about. There are just random dudes who say that.
You're just like, what's wrong with you, man? Tommy Smokes. Tommy Smokes doesn't like BJs? Yeah, I believe so.
Oh, no. You can't say that without knowing.
Don't tweet Tommy Smokes. You can't say that without knowing.
I'm pretty. Call him.
We should call him. We should call him.
We should call him. That's like a 14-dimensional chess move where you say that to a girl and you're like, I don't even like him.
I can't. And the girl's like, oh, I'll show you.
I'm going to call him. I'll prove you wrong.
That rumor can't be started with. If this is true, it's not true.
i said like it's something made me think that and just make it up if he doesn't if he doesn't pick up then he definitively does not like bj's oh hey tommy we're taping pmt right now we're doing the mount rushmore of acronyms and we just picked BJ's and we started talking about the random like dude out in the wild who's like I don't even like blowjobs and Hank claimed you were that guy confirmed what that's me what is wrong with you what do you mean you don't like blowjobs I find them to it's a lot of pressure when i'm getting what am i supposed to say oh yeah i just i feel like it's really a lot of pressure on me ask him about his thoughts on titty fucking what do you like titty fucking um i haven't really done it very much you probably did it once you probably did it once. Tommy, you don't have to do anything.

That's the beauty of a blowjob.

I know, but it's like,

I just feel like I'm supposed to be making noises or something.

And I'm not, you know, that's not my style.

Only Tommy would look at a blowjob like,

oh, now I have to do a monologue.

Yeah.

What are you talking about, dude?

You just get your dick sucked.

And a lot of them aren't that good at it, too.

See, I like what Tommy's doing right now. He's, like, issuing a challenge.
He's also, yeah, yeah. He's, like, any women out there in the greater New York area, the tri-state area, want to suck a dick for a guy who doesn't like blowjobs? Convert me? My name's Tommy Smokes.
Anyone wants to try, I guess. Yeah.
You also feel like you're just throwing out all of the excuses at once. Any other ones? Does it not make you cum? I mean, I could, but it might take a while, and I feel bad that she's doing it for that long.
You're just thinking about this way too much, dude. I get really in my head the second she starts.
It's like, God, it's such an awkward silence. What are you talking about? That's bizarre.
You're so weird. You're so weird.
I like to have regular sex, though. You make blowjobs.
You're treating blowjobs like getting into an elevator with a stranger. Yeah, that's honestly.
It's like, what the fuck, dude? To sum up up blowjobs in one word, I would say stressful. They're the ultimate de-stressor.
All right. Agree to disagree.
All right. Well, Tommy, everyone tweeted Tommy.
He's the anti-BJ guy, so. Yeah, if you want to prove it, I guess, you know.
Yeah. What about sucking dick? Never done it.
Okay. I bet I'd be good at it.
Okay. All answer.
Good answer. All right.
See you, Tommy. All right.
All right. BJ is our fourth and final pick.
You guys have your last pick? Yep. Our last pick.
We're just going to keep it simple. Probably the acronym I use the most.
It's almost an hindrance. Wait.
Kiss? I got to stop myself from doing it.

LOL. Oh, LOL.
I just LOL respond to people all the time. And rarely am I laughing out loud, but it's just a great everyday utility acronym.
Do you think that's better than LMAO? No. Yeah.
LOL people are the worst. The worst.
I think you might have just... You had a good draft going going lol's not a great pick lol is probably

pound for pound the number one most used acronym of all that yeah we have the most so annoying

the most search acronym and the most used it's still the most but it's best acronyms anytime

somebody texts you lol they i think they want to fight it's like it's like the opposite of what

they're actually doing they're not laughing out loud what's your problem now you guys are wrong

people are gonna people are gonna be like oh yeah lol i use it's best acronyms though not the most

P want to fight it's like it's like the opposite of what they're actually doing they're not laughing out loud what's your problem now you guys are wrong people are gonna people are gonna be like oh yeah lol i use it's best acronyms though not the most popular most notorious no it's the the malrush war is best acronyms yeah no and i put no notoriety in there i was i'm struggling with that word right now okay so like So like Big Bang Theory would be your one one pick for television shows. I might not think that, but the masses might.
I don't love our list, but it is what it is. I thought you guys were doing great.
LOL LOA pisses me off. Ha ha ha.
I like the ha ha or I like the LOL OLLOL. Yeah.
When somebody hits me with that, I'm like, okay, they're actually laughing.

They're literally laughing out loud. I'm so funny.

Yeah.

We were between that and BRB, just like an AIM classic.

Yeah.

But that's too old.

I don't think young kids say BRB anymore.

The ones I would have used, if it was just for me personally, would be Fitfo and Dwyer.

But I don't think either of those are actually done with it all.

What about?

I'm Dwyer.

Hank, we thought you for sure were going to take AOC.

Nope.

Okay.

Dare, D-A-R-E.

Yep.

The shirts are pretty good.

Yep.

S-T-F-U-H.

Shut the fuck up, Hank.

Yep.

PMT, AWL.

Damn. Didn't want to pander.

MNF, Monday Night Football is a good one.

I also...

ASL.

ASL.

IWI.

NASA.

I thought about NASA, but I don't know what it actually stands for, but I think it is an

active one.

Yeah, I don't either.

Nuclear Astronomical Scientific.

Association.

Got it.

PEMDAS.

PEMDAS. PEMDAS is a good one.
Yeah, that's a good one. TLDR, when you drop that on someone, it always hurts.
It's like, fuck. Everything's TLDR.
In fact, TLDR got TLDR'd by the meme where it's like, I ain't reading all that. Yeah.
But congrats. I'm sorry that happened to you.
One that, a personal one that I've always loved. I just love RBIs.
Ribbies. It's just a fun one.
HRs. HRs are fun.
Yeah. Yeah.
What else? Any others? It's a good list. Great list.
That was a good Mount Rushmore. Good show, boys.
So we do have Matt Olson on Wednesday. Great, great interview Olson for all the seam heads out there latest Friday interview we've ever done that's a fact good for us we were grinding yeah not we're not looking for a shout out post grit week to post grit week Friday night shut up Matt Olson for coming on a Friday night too all right right.
Should we do numbers? Sure. Random.
Eight. 17.
69. 20.
Shane has 10. Shane and me have zero gotten this? I will do 26.
54. 54 is the number

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