Dolphins HC Mike McDaniel, Nuggets Go Up 2-1, Zion Is In It + Fyre Fest Of The Week

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Speaker 1 Welcome to Pardon My Take. Today is Friday, June 9th, and heat culture is dead.

Speaker 3 Sorry to see it go. Looks like Nugs and Five.
Nugs and five, I stand by it. That was a nice game that they had the other night, but there's just too much.

Speaker 3 We said that the Nuggets have the best Batman-Robin combo, maybe in the NBA. I think that's probably fair to say now.

Speaker 1 Best duo.

Speaker 3 Where now it's like they've got a Batman and a Robin, and also the Robin has his own Robin to his back.

Speaker 1 You're talking about Christian Brown.

Speaker 3 I'm talking about Christian Brown, who played out of his mind Deli Plus game last night from Christian Brown.

Speaker 1 Incredible. And the best Christian Brown moment was when he was all over the place, making plays, driving to the rim, dunking, and then he's like, let me try a three,

Speaker 1 and then promptly threw it off the back of the side of the backboard. But Christian Brown was incredible.
Jokic was insane. He had the perfect stat line for a minute there.

Speaker 1 He ended up ending the game with 32, 21, and 10. But there was a moment in the fourth quarter where they showed his stat line.
He had played 40 minutes. He had 30 points.

Speaker 1 He had 20 rebounds and 10 assists. And it was so

Speaker 1 visually beautiful to look at. And he is now, so historically, he is the first NBA player in NBA Finals history to go 30, 20, 10.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 there's been five 30, 20, 10 playoff games ever. He now has three of the five.

Speaker 3 It's insane.

Speaker 1 The other two, Kareem and Wilt, pretty good company.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so also it was the first triple double in NBA Finals history for two teammates, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so Jamal Murray.

Speaker 3 Jamal Murray also had a triple double. It was a double triple double last night.

Speaker 1 And Mike Malone, who is a guest of the show, not a stat pattern. Not a stat pattern, but Jamal Murray was in the game with about a minute left, up 10.
Not a stat pattern.

Speaker 3 You know, I need to go back and look at Jokic's games because I'm pretty sure like game one, when you look at his triple doubles, they're all created differently.

Speaker 3 like they're like snowflakes each one is is uh not like the last one because I think his first triple double you could call that was that the 40-point game no he had the 40-point game in game two which was his second triple okay all right so so his first game he had uh I think it was the most uh it was assist right that was the assist game I'll look it up right now I'm not I'm not sure but the point that I'm trying to make is one game he'll have like a million assists next game he'll have a million rebounds and the next game he'll have a million points so like it's true he can beat you with any different variety of types of triple-double.

Speaker 1 And he also rolls out of bed in the first quarter and he's already trending for a triple-double. I think he was like 10-5 and 5 in the first quarter.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, yeah, it's going to be one of those nights. Jokic is the best player on earth.

Speaker 3 I think we should embrace the bait big guy. I got a question for you because I don't think Jokic wants to be a star.
I think he wants to go to work, go home, FaceTime his horses, and hop in the pool.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 3 Does he want or care to be a superstar?

Speaker 1 That's the deleted Kevin Durant tweet. That's, I don't know why he deleted it.

Speaker 3 I think he deleted it because he didn't want it to be taken the wrong wrong way.

Speaker 1 He didn't want to get in the muck on Twitter all day because that is one of those tweets that you throw out there and then you have to sit there and look at the replies all day.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, so essentially what happened was Dan Lebetard threw out the point, which I don't really understand whatsoever. He's basically said

Speaker 1 Jokic is magic and bird and America hates him. I don't think anyone in America hates him.
I think he's probably the most liked guy.

Speaker 1 The only hate that you could say that Jokic has gotten this year was from the Embiid mafia, Mafia, and that was directed because they were trying to prop up Embiid. He is universally liked in America.

Speaker 1 So I guess if you want to say if he was American, would he be a bigger star? Yeah, you know what? Probably.

Speaker 1 Because that's probably how it usually works where the guy who, if he was from Iowa or Oklahoma, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 If he played NCAA, if he had had a crazy NCAA tournament run with Oklahoma State, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 We probably would have liked, you know, thought about him more and propped him up more as an American. That's a fair point, but that wasn't the point he was making.
He was saying America hates him.

Speaker 1 Again, I don't know how

Speaker 1 I've yet to see someone who hates Jokic.

Speaker 3 It's a really good tactic to use, though, is to create a guy out there and then get into an argument with that guy that doesn't exist. That's what 90% of the internet is right now.
Yes.

Speaker 3 It's just you invent a guy to be mad at. It's a straw man.
I don't, yeah, nobody hates, nobody hates Jokic. My mom said his head's too big for his body.
That's not

Speaker 3 too small for his body. His haircut makes his head look small.

Speaker 1 But that's not even hateful.

Speaker 3 That's like the meanest thing that I've heard about Jokic. And again, maybe if you're a horse, you hate him because where's your back out all day?

Speaker 1 Or he's never home. Yeah, you miss him.
Yeah, you miss him. His face is not around.

Speaker 1 But yeah, he, like, yes, if you want to say that a guy who, if he was in, if he was born in America, would be a bigger star in America, I'm going to agree with that.

Speaker 3 So this tells me that KD definitely still has burners. This tweet was meant to be sent from one of his burners.
That's why he deleted it. Yes.
This was not meant for the main account.

Speaker 3 And I think that maybe the reason why he deleted it, and he could have left it up, because I think he wasn't saying anything bad. He was saying that, like, Jokic doesn't care for the limelight.

Speaker 3 Like, saying he doesn't care about being a superstar doesn't mean that it's not a negative against him. It's just like some people are built for media attention and they like that stuff.

Speaker 3 They want to be front and center all the time. He doesn't.
He doesn't want to be front and center all the time. But I don't think that's a negative thing to say at all.

Speaker 1 No, not at all.

Speaker 1 He goes about his work. He seems like an unbelievable teammate.
Seems, I mean, we know he's an unbelievable teammate on the court. Seems like an unbelievable teammate off the court as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't think, it's a combo of a guy who probably doesn't love the limelight and also playing in a city and franchise that doesn't have, like, if Jokic was a Nick or Jokic was, yeah, he probably would have a higher profile.

Speaker 1 That's not really like that. The argument, like, Denver and Denver is now going to, if they win this finals, will go forward and their profile will raise.

Speaker 1 But of course, Jokic isn't like the most talked about star in the NBA because of that full combo. Not American,

Speaker 1 doesn't love the limelight, and plays in Denver. He still is universally liked.
You know what I learned last night?

Speaker 3 Uh, because I was watching the game with a Nuggets fan. If you're a Nuggets fan in Denver, you can't watch their games on TV unless you have a very specific type of

Speaker 3 package because they're not on Comcast or whatever they use out there. The main cable service does not carry them.
Direct TV doesn't even really carry them.

Speaker 3 So you can't watch Nuggets games unless you go out to a bar to watch. You can't watch Nuggets games finals.

Speaker 1 You can watch the finals, obviously, but like during regular season games unless they're on ESPN you can't watch them unless they're on national television the um Arsenal fans always tell us that Stan Cronkey's a bad owner but he's about to possibly win a

Speaker 1 NFL a Super Bowl a Stanley Cup and an NBA title all within what five years well also

Speaker 3 Arsenal has been the best team in the EPL all season right they're definitely going to win

Speaker 3 they're definitely going to win the EPL this year is is Stan Cronkie the goat owner I think if Stan if Stan Cronke was was British they would they would love

Speaker 1 everyone in england hates stan cronkey because he's not from england but if he was for if he was english he would be the most celebrated person there and we're just forgetting like the all of our listeners from st louis just like arthur meme yeah you know the fist is starting to get tighter and tighter as we talk about how stan cronkey is an incredible owner okay also i know that arsenal choked away the the cp all we do know we do know that we do know that we're we're dumb facing yes we're dumb presenting yes we're dumb presenting my pronouns are shithead Yeah.

Speaker 1 But the game was great. Jamal Murray, I mean, for the Nuggets, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 I was a little pissed at the heat because watching, I wasn't going to turn off an NBA Finals game, but I don't know if you guys had the same experience.

Speaker 1 I was sitting on my couch watching the game being like, it's not over the heat. But it was.
It was always over. And

Speaker 1 outside of Jokic and Murray, who have been incredible and they both had incredible nights, the Nuggets are just too tall. They're simply too tall for the Heat.

Speaker 3 That's what we said after game one. The Heat don't have anybody that can match up with them.

Speaker 1 Bam had 17 rebounds, and the Nuggets were still

Speaker 1 had 15 more rebounds than the Nuggets. You've got the Heat.

Speaker 3 You've got Bam, then you've got Chris Kamen Jr. that they can put in.

Speaker 1 Zeller. Yeah, Zeller.

Speaker 3 And then who's left after that to guard any of their bigs? Yeah. Nobody, really.

Speaker 3 They put in Haslam at the end for a second. That was awesome.
Yeah, it was really mean when they zoomed in on his hair. Yeah, that was mean.

Speaker 3 Him and Jeff Green both. They like to zoom in on their hair.
Yeah. Which, as a guy that will soon be approaching that level, I took major offense to that.

Speaker 3 Just let it go.

Speaker 1 So do we think the Heat are dead? Because this is now the trap that we fall into. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Where

Speaker 1 now that the Heat have to win a game, would you say must-win? Must-win game four for the Heat?

Speaker 3 This is beyond a must-win. Yeah.
This is the must-est win.

Speaker 1 So now they're backs to the wall. Jimmy Butler has not been heard of, heard from this series.
Like,

Speaker 3 maybe. I'm going to get the narrative going, though.

Speaker 1 Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 1 Does it make you angry? Jimmy Butler's hurt. Jimmy Butler and Caleb Martin have not been good.

Speaker 2 I'm not.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm curious more just, you know, from Max's perspective, Mike and Padre here, where everyone last year, you know, him and Tatum and Jimmy Butler's, you know, finals numbers, Tatum's are actually better.

Speaker 2 And everyone was calling Tatum last year, you know, biggest choke, can't show up in the big moments. Jimmy Butler like this, Hank, is doing even worse than Jason Tatum last year.

Speaker 2 Nowhere to be found in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 Where is the the discussion?

Speaker 1 Why aren't we having a Jimmy Butler choke, choke artist? Right, Max? Conversation.

Speaker 2 Isn't it crazy?

Speaker 1 Should we start?

Speaker 3 Terrible, terrible propaganda against my Celtics, like always.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. It's interesting.
I do think he has to have a game where he takes over and wins a game for them for it to not become like, where was Jimmy Butler in the finals?

Speaker 3 I'm going to say that he's injured, though. I'm going to be the first to report that Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 3 When did he get injured? He got injured when he rolled his ankle. Against the nick.
nickname. One of the six times that he rolled his ankle.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then played very well in those first three games himself.

Speaker 3 But you know how rolled ankles are. Sometimes it's worse than a break.

Speaker 3 You wait three weeks and then it just flares up again. I do.

Speaker 1 Like, I think the Heat are in deep, deep water because they're just nuggets are better and taller. And tallness matters.

Speaker 3 Height matters. It does.
In basketball. Sadly, in life.

Speaker 1 It does, but especially in basketball.

Speaker 1 But if there's ever a team to not count out, like it wouldn't shock me if on Friday night night the Heat somehow pulled a rabbit out of their hat, partially because for the 17th time these playoffs, we've declared Heat culture dead.

Speaker 1 They pop up and it's 2-2 going back to Denver.

Speaker 3 I would be surprised if the Heat won. I think the Nuggets are going to win it in five.
In fact,

Speaker 1 I'm going to go out on a limb.

Speaker 3 I think that this Nuggets team should win three championships.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 Dynasty already?

Speaker 3 I think this should be a dynasty.

Speaker 1 Think about it.

Speaker 3 Look at the players that they have right now. Look how they're playing as a unit.
They've got a great coach that knows this team inside and out.

Speaker 3 With Murray, with Porter, Gordon, and Jokic all together. And then you've got defensive help too that they brought in this offseason that should be around.
You should be able to extend them.

Speaker 3 KCP, I feel like with this roster, let's just say that it will be a disappointment to me if the Nuggets win fewer than three NBA championships.

Speaker 1 Okay, so they have to do that.

Speaker 1 Otherwise, it's a complete bust.

Speaker 3 Complete failure.

Speaker 1 They haven't even won one yet, and we're already on Dynasty talk. That's how it works.
That's exactly

Speaker 1 what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 I'm getting ahead of it because that is going to be the conversation. Make no mistake when they win this first one.

Speaker 3 It's going to be on first take, and they're going to say, How great do you think this team can win?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Michael Porter Jr., by the way, has not been great.

Speaker 3 He has not been good. They have been

Speaker 3 watching him. I replaced him as Jamal Murray's Robin with Christian Brown.
Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 Christian Brown was. I mean, that was.

Speaker 1 If you're a guy who's a true role player guy and like off the bench, seventh, eighth, ninth guy, whatever it may be,

Speaker 1 you just hope you have that one moment in the playoff run so that when they talk about that ring, they can be like, yeah, that was Christian Brown. Christian Brown, like, he had that game.

Speaker 3 He's going to be featured on the one shining moment.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because otherwise, you don't want to be the guy who's like, oh, yeah, when you look back at it, like, oh, okay. So he played like three minutes there, five minutes.

Speaker 1 No, he had, in an NBA Finals game, he came into the game and what he scored was 21 or something?

Speaker 1 Something, yeah, I think it was 21. He was on fire.

Speaker 3 I've got an interesting stat here. In the playoffs, Big Cat, you know the center who has the highest three-point percentage of all time?

Speaker 1 The center in the playoffs. Wait, say it again.
I'm looking up

Speaker 3 Christian Brown of any center in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 15 points. Sorry.
15 points. Highest, say it one more time.

Speaker 3 Highest three-point percentage of any center in the playoffs. He was attempted over 100 threes.

Speaker 1 Oh, I was going to say over 100 threes because I i was gonna say like it could be like shaq is like one for two yeah over 100 so a shooter oh

Speaker 3 who is it it's jokic okay it's jokic and i did that was a trick question no no i did see the stat on nba reddit uh and also who's the flip side to that i don't know who's second do you know who the last player is who's who's worst embed it is embedded yeah also hank just might have looked at my computer but yeah i can't read that it's also that's a no-brainer this is the dozen rigged

Speaker 1 it is a no-brainer yeah and bead sticks I was hoping it was a trick question, but yeah.

Speaker 3 I just wanted to say that for no particular reason.

Speaker 1 Jokic also.

Speaker 2 It's crazy he's even got that many threes off. He only plays like one round a year.

Speaker 1 Who Embiid?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Against your Celtics, Max.

Speaker 1 It's insane Jokic's touch. Like, he just throws balls up at the rim, and

Speaker 1 he'll have shots that hit the front of the rim. You're like, how's that going to be? He's like Carney.
And it just rolls right in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It does feel like there's a magnet on the ball sometimes because he's just, his touch is insane.

Speaker 3 Murray's got crazy touch, too. That layup that he had that bounced off the top of the backboard was insane.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So that was that was game three.
Good game. Stanley Cup.
So we are taping the, or we're doing a live show tonight in Chicago, the dozen final, final four.

Speaker 1 What are we going to say for you? Choose your own adventure.

Speaker 3 No, fuck you, Hank. First of all, I'd like to say that Hank, he looked like

Speaker 3 I came into the office and Hank immediately goes, you know, I'm kind of rooting for Clem, Dave, and Eddie to win tonight.

Speaker 1 Well, it's kind of similar to Max, who said he was going to wear a Quigs jersey tonight. Quigs is facing off against my team in the first round.

Speaker 1 And I reminded Max, well, I just pointed out to Max that Pardon My Cheesesteak's doing pretty well.

Speaker 1 And all the boys get taken care of at the end of the year.

Speaker 1 It's a team effort.

Speaker 1 Everyone's part of it. Is that interesting? And I think when Hank, PFT, and I all sit down and we say, who's who's getting what money from Pardon My Cheesesteak?

Speaker 1 We take out a big board and it just has a loyalty ranking. And that's how we decide it.

Speaker 3 When Hank's involved in that, I thought it was just me and you that were involved in it.

Speaker 1 Hank was involved in it last year. Well, that's because we cut him out.

Speaker 3 That's because we allowed him to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 So Hank rooting against me right now, Max rooting against Big Cat. Everything's coming up, memes.

Speaker 1 Memes is going to literally be the owner of Pardon My Cheesesteak. Congratulations, memes.

Speaker 1 Memes has pink eye.

Speaker 1 Wait, memes has pink eye.

Speaker 1 Wait, what?

Speaker 1 You have pink eye right now?

Speaker 2 That was mean.

Speaker 1 I touched him. That was him.
That was fucked up, Hank. We tapped up when I got here.

Speaker 1 Yeah, actually, no, we didn't. You're so awkward.
Hank's never touched anything.

Speaker 3 You know what the most fucked up thing about this entire situation is, Big Cat, with Hank rooting against me? You know what Hank did last night?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 3 Hank hit me up at like, what?

Speaker 1 That's Firefest. That's Firefest.
That's Firefox.

Speaker 3 No, but I think it's directly tied into this conversation that we're having right now.

Speaker 1 No, No, it's Firefest. Let's say we're Firefest.
I know it's Firefest.

Speaker 2 As much as I like you, I would enjoy it if Brandon lost.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the problem, PFT, that you keep running into is that you have the most hatable person in the world.

Speaker 2 Like, I want you to win, but I can also live with you. Like, you losing.
could provide good content, which is good for the show, which I ultimately care about the most. So it's like,

Speaker 2 there's a rationale behind it.

Speaker 1 You have to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 If you're playing by yourself,

Speaker 1 he's a mix of LeBron and John Rocker, but he's so hateable that he's likable. No.

Speaker 1 No. Yeah.
No. There's no one I want to see win less.
There's no redeeming qualities to Brandon Walker.

Speaker 3 Who would you rather see win? Brandon or Max?

Speaker 1 Max.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because Max, at least, like, he's a look at him. Max is like a big jolly.
He's the best loser, though.

Speaker 2 Well, that's why it's kind of like, you know,

Speaker 2 you can just say yes because you know it's never going to happen.

Speaker 1 I almost said the meanest thing you could say to another fat guy. It truly is.
It's usually against the world. I almost called you Cuddly.

Speaker 1 I'll take Cuddy. I'll take Cuddle College.
There's nothing worse than being called Cuddly. Max doesn't

Speaker 2 want to squeeze him between two graham crackers. Oh, dude.

Speaker 3 He's got a kissable face. I want to curl up next to him like a little puppy.
Oh, no, he'd probably slit my throat.

Speaker 1 So, Panthers are going to win tonight?

Speaker 2 No. Oh.

Speaker 1 We're in our Stanley Cup preview. That all counts, by the way.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Panthers win tonight.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
We'll talk about the Stanley Cup on Sunday or Saturday. Sunday.
Monday show. We have a life episode coming.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'll just say while we're doing it, my dad's having his memorial service on Sunday, so we're going to tape on Saturday the preview of

Speaker 3 we're going to tape, we're going to tape the NBA reaction from Friday night's game. Yep.
And then we're doing a life episode with Titus and Rosillo. Long episode, great episode.
Great episode.

Speaker 3 So it'll be stitched together that way, so we won't have any new content from Sunday that's going to be coming out Monday morning, but we should cover the finals and that should all be fine.

Speaker 1 And people tend to like the...

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, I think it's Panthers. I think hockey is such a fucked up sport that you shift to home ice.
They asked the Panthers coach the dumbest question. Hockey reporters, I don't know.
Are they dumb?

Speaker 3 Are they hockey guys?

Speaker 1 No, they're not. Yeah,

Speaker 3 you can tell because

Speaker 3 they asked the coach, like, are you going to bench Bobrovsky? And he was like, what? No, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 Are you kidding me? Well, they pulled him.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they pulled him because he didn't have a great start, but it wasn't all his fault. Yeah, no.
Their team sucked in game two. So, yeah,

Speaker 3 in the Stanley Cup finals. Can you imagine if you bench Bubrovsky?

Speaker 1 No. No, it's not going to happen.

Speaker 1 All right, so I'll take the Panthers tonight.

Speaker 3 Go peas. Yeah, go pee.
Let's go peas.

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Speaker 1 we should probably talk about zion williamson and uh for people who aren't online Zion Williamson the other day did a gender reveal with his girlfriend. Congrats to them, by the way.

Speaker 1 I think baby girl.

Speaker 3 Was it a gender reveal or was it a pregnancy reveal?

Speaker 1 It might have been a pregnancy reveal. So still yet to be determined gender.

Speaker 1 That triggered, unfortunately for Zion,

Speaker 1 a string of tweets by a lady who allegedly has been spending time with Zion and didn't know about the girlfriend.

Speaker 1 I'll just read a random one.

Speaker 1 Just a

Speaker 1 random one. I let you spit in my mouth last week when we fucked.
You could have told me you had another whore pregnant. How is that going to work moving us both to New Orleans?

Speaker 1 You think I would have found out? So that you can get the gist.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'd like to read another random tweet, if that's okay.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, yeah, please.

Speaker 3 I motivated you to get back in shape. Yes.
I let you fuck me all kinds of ways and film me on your phone at Zion Williamson, and you impregnate a low-budget porn star. DNA test, or I'm done.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that one's tough to unpack because it basically is like Zion is now having his girlfriends and his girlfriend, girlfriends, and whoever his relationships are, they all are in the Zion weight loss program.

Speaker 1 But I kind of like,

Speaker 3 I like the fact that she's letting him fuck her in different positions just to get a workout in. Yeah.
Like,

Speaker 3 it sounds like the other girl, Mariah Mills, who's apparently a porn star as well. I don't know, she's a porn star.

Speaker 1 It's a little confusing because this all is alleged, I guess.

Speaker 3 This should clear it all up because

Speaker 3 anytime I get confused about a situation like this, I like to look at a Black Sports Online headline. And that usually clears it all out for me.

Speaker 3 More women are planning to speak on Zion Williamson because they are upset he got an alleged squirter pregnant instead of them. I love the use of alleged squirts.
30-person slideshows.

Speaker 1 30-picture slideshow. Yeah, and a podcast playing.

Speaker 3 That's wonderful, wonderful journalism on his part, making sure that you don't get sued. She is allegedly a squirter.
Yes. It has not been confirmed.
So Zion.

Speaker 1 This is all alleged. Hank just looked at me like, well, I mean, the points are like that.

Speaker 2 I think that can just be verified.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess. But you could also make the argument like he is a very well-known person.
Anyone could start tweeting about spitting in mouths and fucking in different positions.

Speaker 1 It seems real, but I also don't like it. Well, he was on Snapchat.
I'm sure he was on Snapchat as I did. Snapchat does hurt.
Now,

Speaker 2 let's take it out there.

Speaker 3 Snapchat. Are we sure it was Zion Williamson? Because

Speaker 3 the screen name was Zion Williamson, right? Snapchat. It could have been anybody.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And

Speaker 1 as far as the spitting in mouth, I just try to spin zone this for Zion and be like, maybe he's, you know, not finishing all his food. Maybe that's part of the workout program.

Speaker 3 Or he's losing water weight that way. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What are you going to say? I was just researching the topic on Twitter, and someone tweeted Thoughts and Glocks, a Zion Williamson and Ja Morant documentary coming soon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so Ja's the other part.

Speaker 3 It sounds like she's a Rastafarian, the way she Mount Zion. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, she had some, she went on a tweet spree. Oh, here's another one.

Speaker 3 Don't call my phone at Zion Williamson. You lost me for for good.
Until I see DNA, I'm done. Yeah.
Shout out Marsha Clark.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. There was a...

Speaker 1 I told you you was going to be the next king next to LeBron. I motivated you.

Speaker 2 Oh, and these women were

Speaker 2 329.

Speaker 1 Your baby mama is the reason you gained weight. She's toxic.
So now we have alleged reasons for gaining weight, too.

Speaker 3 Because the baby mama was

Speaker 3 feeding him. Toxic.
You know what? That does sound toxic. It sounds like she she was trying to get, this happens in relationships sometimes.

Speaker 3 Have you ever seen like My Thousand Pound Wife or whatever that show is? Sometimes in an abusive relationship, somebody will make the other person fat so that other people won't find them desirable.

Speaker 3 It sounds like that's what the baby mama was doing, trying to get him fat. The porn star was like, hey, I want you to be in better shape.
I want you to be the next LeBron.

Speaker 3 Sounds like she's the real ride or die.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And also,

Speaker 1 the woman who went on the tweet spree about Zion, like, said she's still moving to New Orleans. So I think he still has two girlfriends, which kind of rocks.

Speaker 3 Pending the DNA.

Speaker 1 Yeah, pending the DNA. Also, just a heads up to Zion.
Like, when someone goes on a tweet spree about you like this, don't call them right away because then they can be like, look, he's calling me.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Oh, you know what? This actually does explain a lot about Zion's weight gain. He's got two girlfriends.
He's going out to two dinners a night. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's he's got to put on double breakfast. Yeah, I've seen double lunch.

Speaker 3 I've seen enough shitty sitcoms to know the

Speaker 3 plot point where you're at one restaurant and they're like, oh, I got to go to the bathroom. You sprint to the other restaurant.
Yeah. Sit down for a little bit.
Oh, I got to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 3 Go back to the first restaurant.

Speaker 1 This is kind of like when I eat dinner with my kids at home and then I come back to the studio and then we get like a huge spread of meal.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's been eating double snacks and double pussy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So Zion.
Maybe not the best day. I would like to get a comment from Mike Malone being like, why are people talking about Zion and not the Nuggets?

Speaker 1 I just imagining him being mad about that would be very funny. And then we have Ja Morant, who his camp is now alleging that it's a toy gun.

Speaker 1 So, if it were a toy gun, credit to Jaw, because he basically, like, it's like a nicotine patch. He's weaning himself off guns.

Speaker 3 Do you think, but if I was Ja Morant, I'd be pissed off at my team for putting that information out there because you're essentially saying that the gun that you held up in the live stream was such a shitty, ridiculous gun that it could be mistaken for a toy gun.

Speaker 1 I think the first gun could have been more of the toy gun.

Speaker 3 That was like a Derringer.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So,

Speaker 1 interesting, interesting,

Speaker 1 like, path forward. Forward for Jaw.

Speaker 3 When is Adam Silver going to announce the suspension? Is it going to be at the trophy ceremony? Because he's got a suspension ready.

Speaker 1 Maybe the draft right before the first pick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That would actually be mean, but hilarious if he mentioned it right before the Grizzlies pick. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then we also had in NBA News, this really was a day that they were like, how many stories can we have that take away from the nuggets?

Speaker 1 Chris Paul has reportedly been waived, but he's not waived because why would they waive him right now? They don't have to.

Speaker 1 And it sounds like if you're reading between the lines, the son's basically sat him down and like, hey, we owe you $30 million. We're not going to pay you $30 million.

Speaker 1 We're going to probably waive you, so we only have to pay you $15 million, and then we'd like to re-sign you for way less. And it doesn't feel like it's headed for a good ending there.

Speaker 3 I think the way that it's being framed right now in the news makes it seem like Chris Paul isn't coming back.

Speaker 3 And so if you're Chris Paul, even if that was the plan, the way that it's played out would probably make you more inclined to not be his son next year.

Speaker 1 I also didn't, I wasn't aware of the Chris Paul clip where he talked about his daughter getting bullied at school, which sucks. That does suck.

Speaker 1 But the example he used was he's like, yeah, my daughter was at school and a kid went up to her and was like, your dad's never going to win a ring.

Speaker 1 So I just want to say shout out to the 12-year-olds in the Phoenix area who are listening to pardon my take. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I was like, wait, was that that was that the meanest thing? Like, it sucks. It sucks because no kid should be bullied, especially when their dad's a fucking professional athlete.

Speaker 1 But the example using just being like, your dad's not going to win a ring.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Can you imagine if somebody came up to your son in preschool and was like, your dad's never going to win an iHeartMedia podcast?

Speaker 3 He's lost seven in a ring.

Speaker 1 I'm very upset.

Speaker 3 Also, shout out to Chris Paul for that quote that came out, what, two years ago, three years ago? Yeah. I'm kind of addicted to playing in the NBA Finals.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He kicked it.

Speaker 3 He should be advising John Morant on how to get rid of the gun addiction.

Speaker 1 He just needs to go to the Lakers.

Speaker 3 He quit finals cold turkey.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he needs to go to to the Lakers. Just let him go to the Lakers.
Let's have fun with that.

Speaker 3 It would be nice to see him. That would be a full circle moment.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Mello comes back. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, Chris Paul was supposed to be a Laker.

Speaker 1 People forget that.

Speaker 3 David Stern said, no, that trade's not happening. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dwayne Wade can maybe coach. The banana boat.

Speaker 1 Whole team. The banana boat squad.
All right. Last things before we get to our interview.

Speaker 1 So the little bit of live stuff, there was a report. I don't know if you saw this that John Rahm was like about to jump to live.

Speaker 1 So that would, that would probably help like understand the timeline and how quickly everything went down.

Speaker 3 That's what I was saying to Dan Rappaport.

Speaker 3 I was like, it seems like a seismic event, whether that, and in the back of my mind, it was like Scotty Scheffler or John Rahm would be enough to make them come to the table. Right.

Speaker 1 And because you then would have the Masters winner and the PGA champion. So the first two majors of the year be on Live Tour.

Speaker 1 And then the Rory's just going through it because there's reports of like Live players being like, no one wants that bitch on our team.

Speaker 1 I think I also read something where

Speaker 1 they basically were like, yeah, we're going to, we're going to, what I was saying on Wednesday, like, they're going to find a way to make a lot of these guys not whole, but like pay a lot of the players.

Speaker 1 But they're like, but not Rory. He's not getting anything.

Speaker 3 Well, so with Rory, he said he felt like a sacrificial lamb when he was talking to the media, and he absolutely was. Yes.
They used Rory.

Speaker 1 Jay Monaghan used him.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so if I was Rory, I'd be furious. I still don't see a way how the players can look Jay Monaghan in the eyes as their commissioner and how he moves forward.
I guess it's not their call.

Speaker 3 But if enough players make a big enough stink about it, I'm sure they could probably figure out a way to get him golf.

Speaker 1 Again, I just go back to he probably is like, you guys are going to make more money.

Speaker 1 And it's like, it's not right. It's the whole thing is fucked up on the Jay Monaghan part.
I don't care about live.

Speaker 1 This is good for golf fans. I'm happy that all the players are going to be competing against each other.
I just think Jay Monaghan's a snake.

Speaker 1 But if I had to put myself in his brain for a second, he's literally just being being like, guys, I know you're mad at me, but money.

Speaker 3 Yeah, money. There's money.
Money. Did you see the clip of Bryson going on CNN? Oof.
And they asked him about 9-11 pretty much. They're like, what about all the stuff that the Saudis did?

Speaker 3 And Bryson kind of yada, yada, yada, 9-11, which is the first time I think that's ever happened. But he also said that he hopes that

Speaker 3 because the Live Tour and the PGA are merging, that there won't be another 9-11. Yeah.
And so shout out to Bryson DeShambeau,

Speaker 3 him and Mark Wahlberg handshake meme preventing a possible 9-11.

Speaker 1 David Guetta, all these guys just fixing the world. Golf, music, makes the world go around.
Your Apple Watch is talking again.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jay Monaghan went on TV too, and man, that guy should never go on TV.

Speaker 1 He is, that was

Speaker 1 as uncomfortable as you could get.

Speaker 1 He did an interview and he knew the question was going to happen where it's like, you worked with the 9-11, like,

Speaker 1 the people who,

Speaker 1 you know, the families of 9-11 and all these people, you worked hand in hand with them to put out this message, and then you stabbed them all in the back. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 And he just was, he had nothing.

Speaker 3 If you're Jay Monahan, I go back to, you can say, we don't want to take their money.

Speaker 3 We don't want to be in bed with a public investment fund from a state that's had questionable activities in the past. You can say that.

Speaker 3 Or you can do the thing that he did, which was directly refer to 9-11, bring the widows and the family members out.

Speaker 3 If you go that second path where you have the families and you talk about 9-11 explicitly, then you cannot take the money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you featured them into the conversation.

Speaker 3 Then you cannot take the money. You can always be a half-snake about it and say, like, we don't want to do business with them.
Their money's questionable. That seems like a big headache.

Speaker 3 That is not worth the juice, isn't worth the squeeze at that point.

Speaker 3 And then you can be a snake and end up taking the money anyways, but you can't directly talk about terrorist attacks and what a shame it is that other guys are taking their money and use the families as props and then go behind all their backs.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 2 Jimmy Dune, who was the one of the PGA guys who got in the mix and helped make the deal happen, worked in one of the Twin Towers, wasn't there that day, but lost like his boss, his mentor, 60 co-workers, only wasn't there because he was trying to qualify for the U.S.

Speaker 2 Open or something. He was at a tournament.

Speaker 2 He just was on TV recording the afternoon and he said on the golf channel, if someone can find someone who unequivocally was involved with it, I'll kill them myself.

Speaker 1 Oh, what he's asking asking about 9-11. Damn, he just went dog the bounty hunter on us.

Speaker 3 I'll kill them myself. Good for him.

Speaker 2 Okay. All right.

Speaker 3 Well, you know how Jay Monhan said that new information has come to light up?

Speaker 2 I do feel like, though, Jimmy Dune probably helped

Speaker 2 Jay Monhan.

Speaker 1 He was like, well, no, he pushed it through. Yes,

Speaker 2 and he was like, and he's like, what about the 9-11 thing? He's like, well.

Speaker 1 He's like, ah, nah, 20 years.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's like, if anyone, there's part of me that thinks that where it's like, him saying that we can push through this with them probably made Jay Monty be like, well, you know, and it's he lost everyone he knows in 9-11.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 he wants to do this.

Speaker 1 It's a shitty thing, but it's also how the world works. Money and power just run everything.
Like a guy like Jimmy Dune being like, oh, I get more power now.

Speaker 1 And I get to be like, he's now a board member of the new PGA tour.

Speaker 1 And he basically gets to do, like, I was, he has membership to every awesome golf club, like Augusta, Shinnocock, where's Shadow 72, Seminole, all these places.

Speaker 1 He now gets even more power just by being a scumbag, and he can, that's, he can, he can go to sleep at night being like, oh, yep, I have all this power.

Speaker 3 Is it Jimmy Dune or Jimmy Dunn? I don't know how, how to say his name, but if you look at his resume, I'll tell you who'd be Dunn,

Speaker 1 guy who did 9-11, if Jimmy, Jimmy Dunn ever finds it.

Speaker 3 If he gets his hands on him, well, Jimmy Dunn, let me introduce you to a man named George W. Bush.

Speaker 3 That would be an all-time twist, wouldn't it? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Jimmy Dunn goes to jail for killing

Speaker 3 George W. Bush.

Speaker 3 If you look at Jimmy Dunn's resume, or Jimmy Dune, whatever his name is, he was pretty much explicitly brought in just to close this deal. That's what he does is he's like, he's a big power financier.

Speaker 3 He was brought in, I think, in November 2022, pretty much just to do this mission.

Speaker 3 Which mission accomplished for him? Another,

Speaker 3 never mind. I'm not going to go down that road.
But it does seem, that's a good point that Jay Monaghan was like, okay, I've got this guy who's lived through it, who's experienced some of that trauma.

Speaker 3 And if he says it's okay, then Jay Monaghan gets to do like some of my best friends are actually 9-11 survivors.

Speaker 1 Some of my best friends were playing golf on 9-11.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so it's okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's, I mean, it's just money wins. Yep.
It's, if you haven't figured that out by now, you will someday. Money wins.

Speaker 1 All right. Last thing before we get to the interview.

Speaker 1 The Vikings. I don't want to take another victory lap, but the Vikings seem to be doing things

Speaker 1 like rebuilding type things where they realize, hey, maybe last year was a little fluky. So they are trying to trade Dalvin Cook, probably going to cut him.

Speaker 1 And then they're also taking offers for Daniil Hunter, their pass rusher. So it smart moves by them to be like, hey, we probably can't replicate what happened last year.

Speaker 1 Maybe we should start figuring out a way to sell high on a lot of these things and start rebuilding for the future. But

Speaker 1 it does feel exactly like that's what's going on.

Speaker 3 Dalvin Cook seems to be on the tail end of his career. And it's sad to say because as a running back, he was awesome, what, two years ago? Three years ago.

Speaker 3 He didn't have a great season last year.

Speaker 1 I feel like when he plays, it's just when he plays. And maybe this is also because his backup, Alexander Madison, kind of looks like him.
So you just combine all those yards together.

Speaker 3 As far as their defense goes, I know Hunter's a great player, but also that defense probably can't get any worse than it was last year. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So if it only, if it gets better marginally somehow, and you get a good haul back for Hunter, then I think that you're in a better position. He was good last year.

Speaker 1 He had almost 1,200 yards rushing. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

Speaker 3 Maybe I'm thinking of the clips that I've seen and the games that I've watched him play, but it seems like he lost a little bit of explosive.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, he had it was actually his second best rushing season in terms of yardage, total yardage.

Speaker 1 And he played all the games, so I was wrong about that.

Speaker 1 I guess he wasn't injured. It feels like he always missed like two or three games.

Speaker 1 Either way, it's smart to sell on him. They're building the team around Kirk Cousins.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 This year is the year that we find out if Kirk Cousins is elite.

Speaker 1 We're going to keep our minds open. We absolutely are.

Speaker 1 Okay. Let's get to our interview with Mike McDaniel.
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Speaker 1 okay we now welcome on a very very special guest it is head coach of the miami dolphins mike mcdaniel uh coach it has been a long time coming to have you on the show so much so i'm gonna ask you kind of an awkward first question let's get awkward okay um

Speaker 1 Did you see when PFT and I texted you and did you just ignore it? Because we did text you at the combine. So you ignored it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 We pull up the thread real quick because before we started recording here, you just said that we've been ducking you.

Speaker 1 We were under the impression that you've been ducking us.

Speaker 4 I mean, there's various definitions of ducking. Yeah.
Who's to say who's the duck?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We got your number from Kevin Stefansky, who we had on the show, and we shot you a text at the combine. We said, Coach, we'd love to have you on.
We'll do it anytime, anywhere. You tell us.

Speaker 1 Crickets, crickets. We're like, Does he hate us?

Speaker 4 No, just playing hard to get. Look, look at what's happening right now.

Speaker 1 Yes. That's true.

Speaker 4 And this is consensual. Yes.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 4 I mean, it could be true that you texted me. It could not be true.
I'm, I, I lead the league in

Speaker 4 terrible phone,

Speaker 4 uh, I don't know, behavior.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know, there's a, I try to be present wherever I'm at.

Speaker 4 There's a cost of that, and it's communicating with people that aren't around me. So I apologize if I did,

Speaker 4 but I'm not sure if that's the case.

Speaker 3 Okay, so I've got the text thread right here. Big Cat on Wednesday, March 1st, texted you at 5:23 p.m.
Hey, coach, it's Big Cat and PFT from part of my take.

Speaker 3 We're in Indy for the next couple of days and would love to have you on the show if you have a free 30 minutes.

Speaker 3 We just wrapped up with Stefanski, so he can vouch that we're not bad guys and it will be fun. Yeah.
Hope all is well.

Speaker 3 And then I waited an appropriate amount of time, an hour and a half, and then I said, love you, coach-PFT commenters.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but you're not going to read the audience.

Speaker 4 The third text, the one that was at 3.30 a.m. that said, you up?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 I was getting a lot of those that night, so you might have fallen through the cracks.

Speaker 1 Well, I just wanted to clear up that part because when you were offered, we're like, yeah, we've been trying to get him on forever, so much so that we were harassing him on text so i'm happy that we at least have you on the show now and uh maybe you'll respond to our texts now well what about what if what if i took it a step further and said not only um

Speaker 4 you know are the doors open for this relationship to blossom but i'm a huge fan of everything you guys do and i was just trying to play hard to get Hoping you guys would treat me like a hot girl.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We got you. We got you.
It worked. You look great today, by the way.
Your eyes. We chased you.
That firm brings out the eyes.

Speaker 4 You shouldn't compliment me, but continue to.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
Well, it is great that you're on. We have wanted to have you on since you got hired, actually, probably before that.

Speaker 1 When you were with the Niners, you were going viral. It felt like every week.
I'll start there. I didn't know who I was.
Yeah, I did. Yeah, we did.
Yeah, I mean, Kittle told us. Kittle was like,

Speaker 1 this guy, Mike, he just, the way he schemes up a run game, whew. Let's start there, though, because

Speaker 1 we have always said that when the 49ers and now the Dolphins, when they run the football, there's something about it that is just so beautiful to watch.

Speaker 1 At what point in your life did you fall in love with the run game? I would assume, you know, you grew up watching Mike Shanahan's offense. What point in your life were you like, the run game is it?

Speaker 1 I love this.

Speaker 4 Well, you know, I did have a special attachment to the run game because of the Bronco fandom, as it were, specifically 95,

Speaker 4 You know, when Mike Shannon first got there and was with Terrell Davis.

Speaker 4 And they, they, you know, there'd been no championship to the city of Denver.

Speaker 4 And then on the heels of a legitimate run game, they got two Super Bowls out of it. So there was always the seed plants.
But from a career perspective, it kind of happened

Speaker 4 out of survival.

Speaker 4 So I'm coming from the UFL, going to Washington, working with Kyle Shanahan

Speaker 4 again for, you know, I'd worked with him at Houston. And I had previously trained Matt LaFleur before I went to the UFL.
And he was in Washington as the quarterback coach.

Speaker 4 And right when I got there, so I knew him, but on top of that, there was Sean McVay.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 They were familiar.

Speaker 4 And there was a lot of competing voices. you know you get there in mid-february and you're in cut-ups with the with the whole coaching staff and you're watching all the pass game.

Speaker 4 And it's just like, you know, it was guru after guru just contributing to the conversation. And I was like, wow, I am not the young smart guy anymore.

Speaker 4 And then we got to the run game. So you do it in phases.
You do it like, you just, you don't watch it in game order. You watch like, you look at it.

Speaker 4 all the players and all the concepts that you're using. So you're watching all the pass game first, then you go to the run game.

Speaker 4 Well, the whole staff, out of the whole staff, the only person that was talking and

Speaker 4 really

Speaker 4 orchestrating conversation with Kyle was Chris Furster

Speaker 4 about the run game. So then I thought to myself, you know,

Speaker 4 I'm into having a career and eating, you know, and living in a house.

Speaker 4 Maybe I should learn what that guy knows. And in that process, there

Speaker 4 carved out a little niche that,

Speaker 4 you know, it grew on me. I didn't really know that it was going to be that strong, but

Speaker 4 it ended up becoming like a passion.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And I found value, you know, so I was able to have a job, which is cool.

Speaker 1 That's awesome. I mean, the fact that it was born out of survival, which you could say for the run game, you like, you have to run the ball to survive in the NFL.

Speaker 1 So do you still have that same passion for the run game? Because like we said, like when the 49ers run the ball, there's something about it that's like, it's sexier than a a pass, than a deep pass.

Speaker 4 No, absolutely.

Speaker 4 Probably even more so at this point. You know, you take one season

Speaker 4 and you try to, you know, we're fortunate enough to work in an industry that's thriving and there's a lot of people that care about football.

Speaker 4 And so you can be like, oh, is he a... is he a pass guy? I'm still the same exact exact enthusiast.

Speaker 4 You just,

Speaker 4 one of the reasons it's so cool is because you just don't, for it to look that way, you just don't.

Speaker 4 We'll say, I don't know, poop.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Poop it out.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 But like, like, it takes so much deliberate work. And the reason why it looks different is because

Speaker 4 you're also coaching players to do stuff differently.

Speaker 4 So that, you know, that's why it looks, and that's hard. And there's, there's also, you know, the element of players getting used to it, players trusting that leap of faith.

Speaker 4 There's, it's a lot of work that you can't shortchange. I don't think there's been one,

Speaker 4 you know, this is the

Speaker 4 seventh team that I've

Speaker 4 that I've worked on in the NFL.

Speaker 4 So it's the sixth time that, you know, it's all been in the same offense. It's the sixth time that we've taken an offense offense somewhere,

Speaker 4 you know, from my experience. And, you know, that's, that's generally, I don't think there's like one year that we, you know, just

Speaker 4 ran the ball at will.

Speaker 4 It takes time. So it's something that we've put a huge emphasis on.
And, you know, I think the, you don't.

Speaker 4 The reason why it's so cool to you is because that is, there's no shortcut to getting that done. Yeah.
It just takes time and effort and commitment and conviction.

Speaker 3 It is beautiful. I mean, some of the seven-yard runs that you've had in the last couple of years have just been the most fun plays to watch.
I also love how you respect the fullback position.

Speaker 3 You've got a great fullback and Alec Ingold, one of our favorites. Badger.

Speaker 1 Badger. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He is a supremely underrated

Speaker 4 player in the National Football League that I hope gains some momentum because he is a Man, he is a good player.

Speaker 3 He's awesome. We had to have a word with him a couple years ago because he was starting to do the thing that players do now where they jump over tacklers and they try

Speaker 1 to

Speaker 1 set him down.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you're a fullback, lower your shoulder.

Speaker 1 You don't go over people, you go through people.

Speaker 3 And he seems to have really turned the corner after that.

Speaker 4 How hype do you get every time he runs somebody over?

Speaker 1 Very hype. Yeah, I nut.

Speaker 4 I made him do that, guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 It's pretty nice.

Speaker 3 But yeah, like when you watch your run game, it almost seems like you make the wide receivers, the fullbacks, and the tight ends all play like offensive linemen and block like offensive linemen.

Speaker 4 You know, shout out.

Speaker 4 This seed was planted in 2005,

Speaker 4 my first year as a coaching intern in Denver. And shout out to Mike Shanahan because he set the whole vision.
And

Speaker 4 it was genius about him. So, you know, it's a

Speaker 4 wide receiver position is tricky in general because

Speaker 4 you get compensated, you get compensated for the past game. And typically, you know,

Speaker 4 good football players have pride and they try to do it. But the bottom line is it's not like, well, let's go pay this guy because he's got sick blocks.

Speaker 1 Right. You know,

Speaker 3 so how do you

Speaker 4 incentivize guys to participate in

Speaker 4 something that's

Speaker 4 less dividend paying directly as catching a pass? And what Coach Shanahan would do is he would meet with,

Speaker 4 he would watch Thursday's practice, the team run period,

Speaker 4 which everybody does around the league in some way, shape, or form.

Speaker 4 But he would watch that portion of practice as an entire offense on Friday with the thinking that the best way to motivate receivers to take pride and detail in the run game, the best way to really emphasize that it takes all 11 players to on the field to run the ball well is to have them all watch that together.

Speaker 4 And that's, it's the peer pressure from the locker room guys saying, dude, what you're just gonna, you're just gonna loaf and let me get

Speaker 4 tattooed by a strong safety. Like that was

Speaker 4 his

Speaker 4 kind of

Speaker 4 way of really emphasizing and getting that done. And that, you know, every place we've we've been, we've kind of taken that.

Speaker 4 And it's something that you just can't relent on. Your offensive coordinator has to be fully committed to it.
The receiver coach has to be willing to drive it home. Unbeknownst to most people,

Speaker 4 Wes Welker is like a low-key run game guy and just loves receiver blocks more than anything.

Speaker 4 So all of that. has you know for it to look different you have to approach it different and um you you you get what you emphasize.
So,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 not many people have described run game as beautiful. So, I really appreciate that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and Sex described it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And my wife looks at me like I'm a weirdo.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Well, no, we love watching that. Yes.

Speaker 3 I'm glad that you brought it up earlier. You mentioned that Washington Redskins team.
It's not like I don't think about that every single day, about how we had you, Shanahan, LaFleur,

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 Sean McVay in the same room as coaches. Which one of you four was the alpha in that situation?

Speaker 4 No, I mean, clearly the most physically imposing.

Speaker 1 You.

Speaker 4 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 4 No, I mean,

Speaker 4 we were all, it was such a cool

Speaker 4 environment because,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 Kyle was, you know, so young as a coordinator. He got started at 28.

Speaker 4 And he made sure when he got the job that his,

Speaker 4 it was because of his football acumen and not his last name. He was very,

Speaker 4 he was as prepared as a young coach as

Speaker 4 there ever could be.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 we were all very, very ambitious.

Speaker 4 And he was eager to teach. And it was his vision, him along with his father, that was like, you know what?

Speaker 4 who cares about the norms let's get let's develop some coaches um and find some talented ones and and and

Speaker 4 really not you know because they got a bunch of heat from the washington post at the time that called us the fun bunch we have pictures of us and just kind of you know because we were very young um but he he wouldn't he had that vision and we were just all pumped to see how good we could get um in our time together.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 Kyle was definitely the alpha. Um, and then it was just like, uh, who can

Speaker 4 wow

Speaker 4 the boss the most with this cool idea?

Speaker 4 And it, it made it, you know, you didn't really get a coast at all because you coast for a second and you look over your shoulder and one of your peers is giving three great ideas to

Speaker 4 Kyle and his dad.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, yeah, a lot of great minds in that room for sure. Now, Big Cat, do you want to ask the question about Matt Lee?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, well,

Speaker 1 we do have a a hypothetical. It's not about Matt Lee.

Speaker 3 I mean, sorry, the question, not about Matt LaFlur.

Speaker 1 It's just a hypothetical football question. We ask this on every football coach.

Speaker 1 All right, so you're down eight.

Speaker 1 There is

Speaker 1 two minutes left in the game. You have all three timeouts.

Speaker 1 You're on fourth and goal on the like seven or eight yard line.

Speaker 1 Do you kick a field goal or do you go for the touchdown? You're down eight.

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 if,

Speaker 4 I mean, in theory,

Speaker 1 this is hypothetical.

Speaker 1 And let's say, hypothetically, too, the team that you're playing against has the greatest quarterback of all time on the other sideline.

Speaker 4 Uh-huh. And then

Speaker 4 I guess it's semantics. Is it an elimination game?

Speaker 1 It's an elimination over. Yeah.
Yep.

Speaker 3 Get out the golf clubs.

Speaker 4 You know, I think I take an E.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right. Good go.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That would definitely screw them up.

Speaker 4 You know, the funny thing,

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 4 I felt for Matt because I knew

Speaker 4 he knew exactly what he was doing. And anytime you make any decision as a coach,

Speaker 4 it'd be a farce to not ex that to not submit to the fact that I don't know what's going to work. If I knew that, I would do that all the time.

Speaker 4 So you have to make a calculated decision that you feel good with. I talked to Matt after the game um

Speaker 4 you know we talked through if there were some disparities in thought process but he knew why he was doing it so you know it's just one of those deals that um

Speaker 4 if you're right you're the man and if you're wrong yeah if you're wrong it gets brought up on pardon my take for the rest of history For the rest of history.

Speaker 4 And what's ironic is you continue to do that because Matt LaFleur is one of the greatest guys I know. Facts.
All he does is needle me and text me about how I need to come on your guys's show.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, I mean, oh, we love Matt LaFleur.

Speaker 1 Question off that.

Speaker 4 What a good-looking guy, right?

Speaker 1 The best-looking guy. The best-looking guy.
He's the best-looking. And I'll say this because I know Sean McVay would get upset, but he's

Speaker 1 of the fun bunch of that group. He's by far the best-looking guy.
Not even close.

Speaker 4 You haven't seen me with my shirt off.

Speaker 1 That's true, but I'm still taking Matt LaFleur. My

Speaker 4 name is changed the ranking.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 True, true.

Speaker 1 All right. So, based off that real football question, off that,

Speaker 1 when it comes to those type of decisions on the sidelines, how many guys are in your ear? What's the process that goes through those split-second decisions of go for it, don't?

Speaker 1 I know that you have a chart, but is it like you're going with the chart, or is there some gut involved as well?

Speaker 4 No, there's a lot of that. For me,

Speaker 4 you know, I think it's so important to be

Speaker 4 super prepared for any game because what I don't want to happen is ever to

Speaker 4 look in hindsight at a decision and be like, well, that was influenced by emotion.

Speaker 4 So what I'm as prepared as I can possibly be for the opponent and understand that

Speaker 4 my best will either be good enough or it won't in terms of my contribution, but the team, the players on the field are going to determine the outcome. So

Speaker 4 that being said, that preparation also goes to the people that you lean on, you know, in your analytics department for

Speaker 4 all the game type scenarios. That's something that

Speaker 4 every

Speaker 4 Thursday during the week, for like the last hour and a half of my workday, you know, I meet with those guys. And, you know, basically

Speaker 4 every headset's different. The procedure that kind of happens on on ours in particular is i'm just very um i i make sure that i don't negatively reinforce information on game day

Speaker 4 so uh i i let people know that i'm very open to taking any information that's legitimate having said that they kind of get a rhythm of like

Speaker 4 You know, there's a certain tempo when you know exactly where you're going with certain things that you'll you'll be talking on the headset.

Speaker 4 Like coaches won't jump in with play suggestions or anything. They just let you roll.

Speaker 4 Same thing goes with the

Speaker 4 analytics advisors is they're talking to me when, you know, as we've mapped out potential scenarios, when it's appropriate to get me the information.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So I look at that as all tools. I think the whole point of having a head coach is so that someone can make a decision.

Speaker 4 And I look at it as my job to take all the information from all the talented people that I work with and make a decision and let the players let me know if that was the right or wrong decision.

Speaker 1 That's smart. I mean, I would just be like, fuck you, dude.
Why did you tell me that? It didn't work over and over.

Speaker 4 And like, it's not like I just overnight. This is something that I've been thinking about, you know, if I were to be in the...
in in the chair making the decisions.

Speaker 4 I've been thinking about throughout my career.

Speaker 4 And it's something that you have to be very mindful of because you have to understand that no one wants to talk out loud and hurt the team's chances of winning a football game on game day.

Speaker 4 Everyone, all they're they're all in

Speaker 4 have the same thing at stake in terms of, you know, you win more football games than you lose, you're employed.

Speaker 4 So let's win the game. So no one wants to do that.
And,

Speaker 4 you you know, I find that if you just,

Speaker 4 if you can just say nothing and move on,

Speaker 4 guys get pretty embarrassed, but you don't, they, they still try to come to the plate.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 And you just don't want to engender a situation where it's like, yeah, I wanted to say something, but I didn't know if you'd yell at me. Like, so it.
Even when I'm frustrated, I try to do my best to

Speaker 4 understand the circumstances that they're operating in.

Speaker 3 That's a very smart answer. I would coach pretty much based on vibes entirely.

Speaker 1 Just vibe it, bro.

Speaker 3 Yeah, just vibe it. Just go out there.
Like, if it's, if it's like late November, it's 23 degrees in Buffalo, and you're wearing the teal uniforms, I'd be like, we're looking kind of candy-ass today.

Speaker 3 We're not going to be able to run the ball. We might as well just try passing fourth down.
Do you ever look at the teal uniforms in cold weather and be like, you know what?

Speaker 3 This isn't running the football uniforms.

Speaker 4 I mean, that's generally how I base all my decisions

Speaker 1 on

Speaker 4 our inconsequential, consequential factors.

Speaker 4 I think, man, you really got my brain turning.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, they're candy ass.
They're a little candy ass.

Speaker 3 I think that they're great for September and October when it's white out or when it's hot outside.

Speaker 3 But then once it gets, you know, the weather starts turning, you get sleet, freezing rain, kind of candy ass to be wearing those seals.

Speaker 1 And Dolphins players look colder in those uniforms.

Speaker 4 See, and but I think I found the root of the problem.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 You guys have, who's your uniform distributor? I don't know who it is.

Speaker 1 Okay. But

Speaker 4 our actual uniforms are aqua color, not teal.

Speaker 4 So you've probably been seeing teal and been like, those are candy. Really, aqua strikes fear in the heart of every man.
I mean, that's just

Speaker 4 now we're just talking facts.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
I see candy for every color, but yeah, sure.

Speaker 3 That's a valid point, though.

Speaker 4 You know, you know what's cool about the,

Speaker 4 when I got the job, this was like, I'd been in six divisions. I'd never been to the AFC East.

Speaker 4 I didn't really know that much about the Dolphins relative to, you know, the way I know the rest of the league.

Speaker 4 I kind of thought, I assumed that the fan base. had to be kind of like, I don't know, maybe like a Southern California or something where, you know, there's a lot of things to do.
So, you know,

Speaker 4 they're distracted and maybe they'll be around for when you're winning.

Speaker 4 This,

Speaker 4 this is, that was not the case. This fan base was just like a sleeping giant that, you know, haven't won a playoff game in now 24 years.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 it's really the fan base and kind of like

Speaker 4 the

Speaker 4 appreciation of history where, you know, I'm kind of digging the aqua now. Yeah.
Where before I was like, huh, but I kind of, there's a, there's so much history tied to it. Um, you know, those

Speaker 4 70s teams were impactful and kind of changed the whole subculture of or of Florida, South Florida sports. This is unbeknownst to me.
My, how I've learned so much in one year, guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 But, so, you know, don't.

Speaker 4 I think the fan base and the players, they're into it. So judge it until we do something about it.
And maybe I'll get you an Aqua Jersey.

Speaker 3 They do the players look faster in the Aqua. That's that's for sure.

Speaker 3 Like, do you ever, do you ever just go out on the practice field and you're like, hey, Tyreek, can you just run some routes just so I can watch how fast you are?

Speaker 4 Yeah, you know, I mean,

Speaker 4 when you got it, why not? You know, um,

Speaker 4 he's in the building and he's really good at running routes very fast and it's really fun to watch. Yeah.
Um, however, I don't try, I try not to make him do unnecessary stuff.

Speaker 4 Um, You know, to, I want to keep fast, fast. But he,

Speaker 4 I have to tell you, in person, aqua, white, green,

Speaker 4 red,

Speaker 4 fuchsia.

Speaker 4 Dude looks fast in any color.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I believe that. I believe that.

Speaker 1 So based on the wide receivers, I had a question about Andrew Hawkins had a quote talking about you as a coach and how when you came in, he was essentially like, he told us, throw out everything you know.

Speaker 1 I'm going to teach you something different.

Speaker 1 How does that go when you have those first meetings? Has it been like hard in your career to get guys to buy in right away, knowing like, hey, I'm going to do something totally different?

Speaker 1 Like, you just have to trust me? Because I'm always fascinated with that with coaches.

Speaker 1 Where if you don't have the Super Bowl rings like Belichick, to get guys to buy into a different system than what they know has to be a little bit daunting for like day one.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you know, um, it's a pro. You hit the nail on the head that's a problem that i recognized um literally my first full-time paying job in the nfl it was 2006 and i was a um

Speaker 4 offensive assistant and um andre johnson was a 25 year old

Speaker 4 uh

Speaker 4 ascending superstar and

Speaker 4 yet You want to add value, but

Speaker 4 how is that guy going to listen to this guy?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 That's something that,

Speaker 4 and so I had to figure it out. And it was pretty, pretty quick that I realized, oh, wow.
On the professional level, like these guys want to make the most money they can.

Speaker 4 They want to be the best they can.

Speaker 4 There's a lot of pressure on them. And

Speaker 4 basically anybody that can help them do that, they'll listen to. So the objective was not to like,

Speaker 4 it's one of my favorite parts of this job

Speaker 4 is I fully know that my job is to exceed the I test expectations when I first meet people. Like, I have to earn their listening.

Speaker 4 And, you know, when you really think about it, should you

Speaker 4 desire to be entitled to people just assuming you know what you're talking about? It's not the worst thing in the world to have to earn their listening and earn

Speaker 4 their trust. So, to do that, it takes an annoying amount of preparation for those first meetings specifically.
Yeah. Because

Speaker 4 you have to forecast, okay, I'm going to say this now.

Speaker 4 What will be the natural inclination of the listener, of the player? What are their experiences? What's going to be the resistance?

Speaker 4 How do I get in front of the rebuttal that they may voice they may not but how do i get in front of that um

Speaker 4 and basically tell a story of whatever i'm pitching to them and make sure that it's very tight just because i

Speaker 4 you're exactly right the eye test on top of the fact that i'm approaching it differently um it's not going to be a you know

Speaker 4 generally different makes people uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 And so people want to be comfortable and you just um

Speaker 3 really relying on that known fact that hey all players if you can be of resource to them don't care what it looks like um relying on that you know allows allows you to go bold that way yeah i've got an alternate method that maybe you could try is just bring back the two earring look that you had you remember that there's a there's a that screenshot of you on i think it's channel nine news in in denver says michael mcdaniel Broncos, ballboy.

Speaker 3 You've got the two big hoop earrings. You wear those into a meeting and you get instant respect because you're like, this guy's going to steal my girl.

Speaker 4 Right. Or, like, you know, does he have any financial advice? He looks responsible.

Speaker 4 You know, a multitude of things that are going through their heads.

Speaker 4 You know, so many adults tell you, oh, you're going to regret that. And you're like, at that age, you're like, huh.

Speaker 4 And then at some point, that falls out of fashion. And yes, you're kind of laughing at yourself.

Speaker 3 I think it's a good look. I think you bring it back.
Maybe if you win a Super Bowl, you can get away with anything if you win a Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I could. You think I could wear clogs on the sidelines?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, definitely. If you win a Super Bowl, that's the dream.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You can go barefoot on the sideline.

Speaker 1 You definitely can.

Speaker 4 One with the Earth. I like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got a couple of Tua questions. The first is, we're part of Tuanon.

Speaker 1 We have

Speaker 1 Tua questions. We're part of Tuanon.
We're believers. Why is it do you think, that Tua gets criticized more than the average quarterback? It's kind of a bizarre situation.

Speaker 1 Is there anything that you can put your finger on? It's like guys just don't, for some reason, like

Speaker 1 the prognosticators and the analysts don't see what I'm seeing.

Speaker 1 It is a little, he gets talked about differently and more than most quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 there's a couple of things going on, I think, because I've wondered the same thing in terms of the polarization of people. Like a lot of people have strong opinions either way.

Speaker 4 I think, you know, the starting point is

Speaker 4 he is different.

Speaker 4 Different is kind of makes people uncomfortable. I'm not sure if you guys noticed, he throws with his left hand, not his right.
Yes.

Speaker 4 which is crazy because he's right-handed,

Speaker 4 but he just learned how to throw left on instruction by his father. So that's a little caveat.

Speaker 4 That's one I think,

Speaker 4 you know, throughout the history of time, people have shunned others when they can't pronounce their last names. And there's a lot of letters.
That's true.

Speaker 3 A lot of vowels. That's true.

Speaker 1 I hate Coach K.

Speaker 4 But but to be,

Speaker 4 see? Yeah.

Speaker 4 I knew it was there.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 4 So many consonants. I mean, geez, dude.

Speaker 1 It's obnoxious.

Speaker 4 Right. What are you trying to prove?

Speaker 4 But the

Speaker 4 also, like, I think anytime there's also a lot of conviction. And when there's a lot of conviction with people and they're

Speaker 4 over the top about it,

Speaker 4 people tend to speak up more in the negative. And then once you dig your heels in, now all of a sudden, you know, three years down the road,

Speaker 4 you have what are those dolls that voodoo dolls? Yeah. Voodoo doll into

Speaker 4 because he's the bane of your existence. Why? Because you said you didn't like him one time and are tripling down.
So, who knows? All I know

Speaker 4 is,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 4 I feel great about the guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't say I'm with you guys.

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Speaker 1 you guys talked, and then he pulled up Magruber and you laughed. Now, did you laugh because he was watching Magruber? Like the idea of it? Like, he thinks this is a good movie.
Haha, what an idiot.

Speaker 1 Or were you actually laughing at Magruber?

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 it happens to be like my favorite show of all time. Okay.
My favorite movie of all time. Okay.

Speaker 1 It's red flag. No, I like McGruber.
But favorite of all time. It's an excellent film.
Of all time.

Speaker 4 It's, I mean,

Speaker 4 I say it in jest. I really like the movie.
Okay. There's probably some emotional

Speaker 4 movement that some deeper, you know,

Speaker 4 Shawshank Redemption or something would bring out. But it's up there for me because I thought it was so aggressively ahead of its time for 2010.
And

Speaker 4 Will Forte

Speaker 4 makes me laugh. So he was watching the movie because I can't remember how

Speaker 4 it came up,

Speaker 4 but I put him up on, I put him up to watch it. And most of the time, you know, I pitch that movie.
It falls on deaf ears. No one follows up with it.

Speaker 4 And he had it downloaded, loaded before that week of travel

Speaker 4 and was prepared to watch it.

Speaker 4 And I was dying laughing because whatever judgment,

Speaker 4 I just didn't really realize that his sense of humor would be directly correlated with mine. You know, we have different styles and whatever.

Speaker 4 So, I got a huge kick out of him thinking it was this hilarious as I did.

Speaker 1 So, you basically waited, you were like, Magruber's my favorite movie. I'm trying to get everyone on the Dolphins to watch it.
And then you waited for Tua to be concussed to convince him to watch it.

Speaker 1 Do I have that right?

Speaker 1 Like, oh, here we go. I got him now.

Speaker 4 This was,

Speaker 4 was, it was stream of consciousness. Randomly came up in a conversation.
I probably dropped a weird quote. Um,

Speaker 4 and, you know, whether or not it influenced his opinion on the movie, you know, that's, that's for him to tell us.

Speaker 1 But the uh,

Speaker 4 yeah, I mean, it was, I tried to show it realistically. I just tried to show it the night before every game, and it just fell on deaf ears.

Speaker 1 You pump-up movie for everybody? Yeah, have you tried

Speaker 1 playing Buffalo?

Speaker 3 Uh, have you tried to convince Vic fangio to watch it i'm sure he's

Speaker 4 no i mean vic all vic does is bring it up

Speaker 4 like like without without me just i'm not even offering anything up he's just like hey man

Speaker 4 so when's the last time you've seen magruver because i get a special cut um

Speaker 4 no uh it's not quite the audience that i'd shoot for yeah

Speaker 1 yeah i would say so that's got to be i mean vic fangio is an incredible incredible defensive coordinator are do you guys have you had like dinner with him?

Speaker 1 Do you guys have a lot in common other than football?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it is outstanding. I, I, I very much love uh, just

Speaker 4 I, I think it's so cool how there are things

Speaker 4 um that we have a lot in common with, or a lot of there's a lot in common, just how we look at the game. Um,

Speaker 4 and then there's things like our personalities and our default mechanisms are way different. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Which to me, I don't want.

Speaker 4 If I had a bunch of Mike McDaniels running around here, people would figure out that it's not that cool.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 4 I think that balance

Speaker 4 serves

Speaker 4 great purpose.

Speaker 4 But the bottom line is,

Speaker 4 you know, I think he's as good as they're

Speaker 4 as good as it gets as football coaches in the National Football League. So, I mean,

Speaker 4 you know, I'm still, I'm still fired up that I tricked him to come here. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's going to be weird after all these years with Denver and with Chicago, seeing him in like a super warm climate all the time. Yeah.
It's going to be really straightforward.

Speaker 4 You're going back to the Aqua thing, weren't you?

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, and he probably hates it. He's got that big Gore-Tex jacket that he's had basically sewn on his body for the last 10 years.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but then

Speaker 4 all of a sudden, Vic Fangio with Mike McDaniel, now he's buying aqua-colored cars. Yeah.
Guess you didn't know that because it's not true.

Speaker 3 I have another Miami-related question for you because you've been seeing courtside with all the

Speaker 3 big celebs down in South Beach at the Heat Games. Now they're playing against the Nuggets in the finals.
You're a Denver boy.

Speaker 3 Who are you rooting for in the finals?

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 4 this is easy. I feel great about it.

Speaker 4 They're my two favorite teams in basketball.

Speaker 4 It's really, you know, you become a professional football coach and

Speaker 4 you kind of, like, I could care less about the Broncos after I stopped working for them because it's the business you're in, right? But I always stayed true and followed the Nuggets and,

Speaker 4 you know, have been, had my heart break in the bubble when Jamal Murray went down, et cetera, et cetera. But

Speaker 4 I don't lose any sleep whatsoever to pledge my allegiance to the Miami Heat because,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 I had the fortune of having the Miami Heat coaches to training camp last year and, you know, spent

Speaker 4 way more time than they needed to give me

Speaker 4 talking with all of them and just hearing their problems of that offseason that they were trying to solve that, you know, in their opinion, they had a lot of good players and their biggest problem was trying to involve everyone because they were so deep and to while trying to develop them and this was very different from the narrative that i heard from rest of the america who's like yeah there's one star and what are these guys names um

Speaker 4 so i've been paying attention all year and then you know i've been fortunate enough to have tickets thrown my way. And you better believe I jumped on that.

Speaker 4 That's added to the whole deal but I feel very personally invested into their whole into their whole movement

Speaker 4 because even beyond that, it speaks so much to what

Speaker 4 I believe in in team sports.

Speaker 4 The team playing in the finals

Speaker 4 was last in the league in scoring.

Speaker 4 That team was

Speaker 4 negative point differential for the NBA regular season.

Speaker 4 It's the first time that a team that had negative point differential ended up in the final finals since you guys remember Minneapolis Lakers 1959.

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course.

Speaker 4 Like, forget the stuff that they're overcoming, the injuries that they've persevered through, and really the way they approach

Speaker 4 coaching and the whole program in general. Getting first-hand exposure, you know, I'm too deep, man.
Too deep. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Yeah.
Turn your back on.

Speaker 4 Regardless, it's good ball. And,

Speaker 4 you know, it's not that heartbreaking to be like, yeah, I want the heat to win.

Speaker 4 You know, the Nuggets have never been in the finals, accomplished a lot this season.

Speaker 4 Joe Kick's not going anywhere. Not going to lose any sleep.

Speaker 3 All right. Yeah.
All right. That's fine.

Speaker 1 Can I print you guys?

Speaker 3 Can I give you one piece of advice in coaching? Now, I've never told this to any other coach. I've been waiting for you to come on the show.
This is going to be good. Because

Speaker 3 I've got a wrinkle that I think could revolutionize offensive football and so i come from a rugby background i played rugby in college i played for about 10 years in men's league afterwards whoa and uh yeah pretty sick brag a lot of rugby a lot of rugby i wasn't very good but i picked up enough about the sport to realize that if a nfl coach incorporates designed downfield laterals more frequently they have the opportunity to break out big chunk plays on a basis that I think the risk outweighs the reward if it's coached correctly and if it's taught correctly with the right technique of going into contact and then pitching backwards to a guy that you know is going to be there.

Speaker 3 Now, I waited to tell this to you and you only because I think that you are the mind that could actually get this done in the NFL. And I'm telling you, the sky is the limit.

Speaker 3 If you could figure out a way to do this, like maybe three, three times a game, two, three times a game, that's really all it would take to have those make a difference.

Speaker 4 Well, see, the best part of the whole scenario is,

Speaker 4 is there are some people that have simultaneously developed the same thought.

Speaker 4 It has worked its way into the league. There's a couple teams that I've seen do it this past season, but strike that from the record

Speaker 4 because this is the first conversation that's ever been had about it.

Speaker 4 So, when we copy other teams,

Speaker 4 I would love the credit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay. You get it.
You get it. And I get the credit card.
But it's out there.

Speaker 4 What you're saying is not that outside the box. You just have to have the right known scenario.

Speaker 4 And you know what?

Speaker 4 You have to have a receiver with a lot of composure and ball skills to be able to. But

Speaker 4 there's some traction. The way teams pursue and compress tackle in a league.
You'll get people to overplay and could, you know, we tried it once against the Chargers.

Speaker 3 We pretended to unintentionally fumble and tyreek just picked it up and took it to the house yeah that was a round lateral yep as they call it same same thing yeah and you'll you'll look like a genius if you start working this into the offense and then you guys will pump that narrative yep and i know how big your guys' audience is so and then and then watch this watch this after you start doing that then teams they stop over pursuing and they spread out too much and then boom that's that's a one break tackle away from taking it to the house without even pitching it.

Speaker 4 Now, normal ball is explosive and unguardable. Yeah, I see what you're doing there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got a couple last questions. Uh, first one, I don't know if you've been asked this before, but were you vaping on the sideline in Buffalo? What

Speaker 1 you were vaping on the sideline.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was a clip of you. You went like water vape? You went with your hand to your mouth, and it looked like you were vaping.
Were you vaping?

Speaker 4 Hmm.

Speaker 4 I mean, what a confusion question. I don't know this technology you guys speak of.

Speaker 4 Having said that,

Speaker 4 I will leave you with this.

Speaker 4 In past lives,

Speaker 4 I have vaped.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 The idea of

Speaker 4 regardless, just the idea of that being something that people are talking about after a playoff game

Speaker 4 is annoying enough to provoke me to never do it again.

Speaker 1 And I've since quit plastic McDaniel style,

Speaker 4 plastic McDaniel style, cold turkey, just like alcohol.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 4 but I, you know,

Speaker 4 as far as a game, I, you know,

Speaker 4 I'm sorry, I wish I was better schooled on the subject. I just

Speaker 4 don't totally know what you guys are talking about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's crazy people would even assume that. Um, all right, so I had one last question.
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Speaker 1 Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, roback.com, promo code TAKE, 20% off your first purchase. I, last year, and this is also, I'll admit,

Speaker 1 I've been emotionally damaged

Speaker 1 by the Chicago Bears, but I think I said before the season that you were giving me Mark Tressman vibes. And I was like, when the, it's good when it's good.

Speaker 1 And then if it starts to go bad, will guys still listen? You had a season where you proved that like you can do it.

Speaker 1 You went through the ups and downs. You went through some losing streaks.
When you were going through that losing streak, did you have at any point like a mini crisis of confidence? Like, shit,

Speaker 1 this is different than when I'm the head guy here.

Speaker 4 Well, first of all,

Speaker 4 the whole reason we were in the losing streak was because I heard those comments, and there's only one way to prove that I'm not.

Speaker 1 A little adversity, self-inflicted adversity.

Speaker 4 Yeah. So

Speaker 4 really, that was.

Speaker 4 So here's the thing I know about coaching in the National Football League.

Speaker 4 You won't always win. And when you don't, it's very, very black and white.
You lose, you suck. You win, you're awesome.
Okay.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 one of the biggest,

Speaker 4 I don't know,

Speaker 4 things that I was looking forward to, ironically, was

Speaker 4 I knew that is something that happens

Speaker 4 every year

Speaker 4 to multiple teams, and you go one or two directions. So I looked at that as like

Speaker 4 this, this isn't negative. This is actually when people need a coach.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like this is the most important time. This is when you

Speaker 4 are actually

Speaker 4 most doing your job.

Speaker 4 So So it was, I was very, very motivated.

Speaker 4 It, you know, it's not necessarily fun,

Speaker 4 but to say that I like I didn't, it was

Speaker 4 when, not if.

Speaker 4 Like that, that is something that I think that I think people have this misnomer in

Speaker 4 expectations of, you know, whether you're in professional sports or a football coach or just a regular

Speaker 4 average Joe, as it were, like these expectations of avoiding adversities is

Speaker 4 it can be catastrophic because adversity will happen.

Speaker 4 Get your mind around that. There will be losing streaks.
And the competitor in me, the flame was lit in that.

Speaker 4 That's a hard thing to do is to pull yourself out of it. Would have liked to pull ourselves out of it quicker.
Circumstances didn't allow it.

Speaker 4 But to me, I see those hard moments is when I'm earning my check.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a good answer. And it's why I changed my tune.

Speaker 1 I was like, look, because it worked the first couple of months and then you hit that rut and you guys still got to the playoffs and rided the ship.

Speaker 4 It will always be the case and I'll never be surprised by it. It's

Speaker 4 been right there in front of me in my entire career.

Speaker 4 No one's going to give me anything. No one's going to,

Speaker 4 you know, I have to earn it. And what other way would I want to? So

Speaker 4 it was going to be, can he lead a team? Can he stand up in front of the room? Then after that, it's going to be,

Speaker 4 okay, well,

Speaker 4 he can get him to play hard. Can he win football games? Then it's going to be, all right, can he pull people out of losing streaks? Then it's going to be, can he do anything in the playoffs?

Speaker 4 Then it's going to be, will he stop vanilla?

Speaker 4 yeah it's going to be retro it's going to be retroactive not proactive and

Speaker 4 that doesn't bother me i i understand that like this is this just in if you um approach things uh in sort of a different manner

Speaker 4 there's no other i wouldn't expect it to be any other way yeah so um

Speaker 4 have to prove myself to to earn your faith and what way would i want it

Speaker 1 he kind of He kind of like took every Monday episode apart in my take with the when you win, you're awesome. When you lose, you're suck.
Because that's pretty much our analysis. That's our analysis.

Speaker 4 That's not an indictment. Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 You cannot win and lose at the same time. Trent Dilfer said that.
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 That's facts in the National Football League.

Speaker 4 Bam. So

Speaker 4 there's a lot of people that are heavily invested. I know this, when I watch sports, And the only time I'm nervous in sports is when it's another sport and I care about the outcome.
Okay.

Speaker 4 It is gut-wrenching to invest emotionally into something, have no control over it, and that motivates and elicits emotion. There's also a lot of economic factors.

Speaker 4 This is a huge business, and there's fantasy football galore.

Speaker 4 There's so many people. And so I take it as like people care.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So they're going to be happy and there's too many compounding variables. So, you know, i probably get too much credit um when we win and you know i'm going to get um

Speaker 4 you know

Speaker 4 called into question um across like

Speaker 4 but i don't look at the job as like i'm entitled to people just you know what just believe in me it's a result business and um people want you around if you're getting the results they want and it doesn't

Speaker 4 it doesn't bother me at all.

Speaker 4 It's very,

Speaker 4 I don't know, I can understand it and

Speaker 4 wouldn't expect anything less.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, that's got to be a very strange part about being a coach is you try to tune everything out, but you can't listen to the radio because there's going to be someone talking about you at the radio.

Speaker 3 You can't open up a newspaper because someone's going to be talking about you in the newspaper or on any of your favorite websites. Are you able to actually like tune everything out?

Speaker 3 Or does some of that, if it's criticism, if it's praise, is it inevitable in this day and age that any coach is going to be absorbing some kind of his press clippings?

Speaker 4 No, I think it's um,

Speaker 4 when,

Speaker 4 for example, if we lose a game, I already know,

Speaker 4 so I know exactly what's coming, I don't know the details, um, but there's people that are employed to um to do that, and so you know, when I'm uh you know, getting ready for a press conference, I'm made aware of certain things that will probably come up.

Speaker 4 And a lot of that can be negative.

Speaker 4 But like, I've always recognized that as an issue. And this just in,

Speaker 4 like,

Speaker 4 I didn't, I spent my whole career preparing to be able to do the job of a head coach, not becoming a head coach in that process.

Speaker 4 You have to you have to kind of problem solve that.

Speaker 4 And like, whoa, this is, this is hard. You get, I mean, there's countless times that I've seen really good, good coaches get unnecessarily blasted for results that they only have part control in.

Speaker 4 But that's kind of what you're paid to do. You know,

Speaker 4 somebody's got to be held accountable for things.

Speaker 4 So the managed expectations,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 I think I'm very comfortable with what to expect. The pattern is like crystal clear.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like literally, it is like

Speaker 4 the, I've been on teams. I mean, shoot, in 2001, it might have been

Speaker 4 in San Francisco, might have been one of the best coaching jobs that I've seen anyone do that Kyle Shanahan did. Okay.

Speaker 4 He was getting blasted. People were begging for his job.
at week five or whenever whenever we were like two and what week seven we were like two and five or something can't remember

Speaker 4 so the that why because people

Speaker 4 there's a lot of things going on there's a lot of variables that are compounding and um

Speaker 3 the only thing that you can directly attribute a lot of times is the actual outcome yeah this this is all very it's very smart things that you're saying uh it's and you're convincing me right now that you definitely have a fireburner account on yeah

Speaker 3 i'm sure i'm sure you're getting some takes off like because you're handling it all very emotionally healthily i think, but you got to get those takes off.

Speaker 4 Well, no, you, I definitely don't have a Twitter account, but my wife definitely does.

Speaker 1 Oh, nice. She gets him off.

Speaker 4 So when things either way

Speaker 4 get really over the top,

Speaker 4 I mean, it's, she tries not to say something to me, but she just wears it on her sleeve.

Speaker 4 because she cares so much. And there's, I mean, I think it's the weirdest.
It's going to be such a tough position for her yeah because

Speaker 4 like you know she she in her mind's building me up and then all of a sudden um

Speaker 4 you know people are you know i'm not sure if you guys paid attention to the news but there was on several occasions um people gave it to me last year

Speaker 4 and uh

Speaker 4 that's what i i'm very comfortable with that that's part of the responsibility of the job. And like, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
Like, it's a really cool job. There has to be some

Speaker 4 give, and that's that's one of them. But for loved ones and stuff, that's where it's toughest because they have no control over it.
And a lot of people, it's really weird, too. Like,

Speaker 4 I'm at zero to 60. I was under the radar in the NFL for 15 years, no one talked about me.
And then all of a sudden, all sorts of people have opinions. It's a transition.

Speaker 4 But

Speaker 4 I think

Speaker 4 you have to be prepared for that going into the job

Speaker 4 because

Speaker 4 I am ambitious and

Speaker 4 I have high expectations, but

Speaker 4 I was pretty sure I was going to break Don Shula's record year one.

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Speaker 1 Whenever you guys lose, we will make sure to say at least one nice thing about Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 4 I mean,

Speaker 4 that's all she needs.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We will say all the mean stuff, but we'll also add in one nice thing.

Speaker 4 That, guess what? You guys are employed

Speaker 4 to have opinions,

Speaker 4 and um

Speaker 4 in an indirect way you guys are part of my paycheck yep and yes don't forget that

Speaker 4 don't forget that no it's it's something that so the it really when you say disparaging things um about my character and my personality you know i'll just let it roll right off it's part of the deal um i i know it's coming it just we'll just add one nice say to me hey don't lose then yeah you don't have to do that Yeah, we're also never wrong with our analysis.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 We've never been wrong. Why would you say that? Dani should have run the damn ball.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's what we say. We're right.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 I sometimes do get confused. I do need reminders.

Speaker 4 Do the plays that work.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Run the touchdown play.

Speaker 3 Tyreek fast. Yes.

Speaker 1 Boom. Listen, run the touchdown play is undefeated.
Shots. Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew.

Speaker 4 Dude, I was just saying the same thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and score more points than the opponent yep it's pretty simple not rocking plants yeah run the ball stop the run heat up the quarterback we you you we know ball run the jewels j-u-u-l-s

Speaker 4 um

Speaker 4 yeah i forgot the rappers names no

Speaker 1 i'm just a big mike guy yeah okay yeah you are a big mic

Speaker 4 killer mike there it is see i'm getting old um

Speaker 3 that that's the band run the jewels yep wait you can't say you're getting old Killer Mike and LP, right?

Speaker 1 That's right. Do you have any

Speaker 1 you're the same age as us. Don't say you're getting old.

Speaker 4 Well, see,

Speaker 4 everyone's getting older, my friends.

Speaker 3 Not me. Shit.
I mean, I lie about my age progressively younger every year. I'm 26 now.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Oh, you get ID'd at bars?

Speaker 3 All the time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You're like, ma'am, I'm going to need to see a picture.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 4 And how dare you wear that?

Speaker 1 Coach, thank you. It had been a long time coming.
We really appreciate you coming on. And hopefully you're a recurring guest now.
So whenever we ask you to come on, you have to come on.

Speaker 1 That's by contract. But you did get two free subscriptions apart of my take.
So we're good.

Speaker 4 Well worth it. No,

Speaker 4 it was honestly awesome. You guys do a tremendous job, have carved out a really cool

Speaker 4 fixture in a market that.

Speaker 4 didn't really exist.

Speaker 4 You know, you guys kind of kicked the door in. So I'm very appreciative of your patience and your understanding of my terrible, terrible phone manners.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just texted you just now. I said, don't ignore our text.
So now you have our numbers.

Speaker 4 I just text back, new number. Who does?

Speaker 1 Lose my number.

Speaker 1 Aaron Rodgers. Yeah.
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Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 a couple things to get to. So I should have mentioned it.
We taped Mike McDaniel, I think, two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 If you are on Twitter, if you're an online NFL fan, you probably saw the sad news about the creator of Tuanon passed away, left four kids

Speaker 1 and his wife. Tragic accident.

Speaker 3 Eric Carmona. Yeah, there's a

Speaker 1 GoFundMe. I just tweeted out the link.
I just donated. So if you could donate even a couple bucks, you know, I know he provided me with a lot of content and laughs over the years.

Speaker 1 So we had taped Mike Medino before this had occurred. We probably would have brought it up with him.
But if you can donate, please do. Seemed like a great guy.

Speaker 1 And he made a ton of funny content that makes the NFL, that's why we watch the NFL for the storylines and the fans and everyone involved.

Speaker 3 Guys like that on Twitter make the NFL a better a better product. Yeah.
A better sports watch. They make sports fun.
Yeah. He made sports fun.
So shout out to him. Sorry.

Speaker 3 Very sorry for his family and and the loss that they're going through. But yeah, it's a good cost to donate to.

Speaker 1 And Tua donated 10 grand.

Speaker 3 That's awesome.

Speaker 1 He's the man. So yeah.
So if you can, please do.

Speaker 1 Let's do, before we do Firefest, we got 38 at the Garden. You can only watch it on Max, Max.com.
We're doing reviews every Friday for the next six weeks. We did, or we did Succession Finale.

Speaker 1 We did Blood Sport.

Speaker 2 Great movie.

Speaker 1 38 at the Garden right now. Next week, we're doing Man on Fire, Denzel Washington.
Hank has not seen it before. It is an awesome, awesome Denzel movie.
Jake, yeah. That was good.
Yeah. Come on, Jake.

Speaker 1 I didn't know you liked to get wet. 38 at the garden.
I liked it. I'll start off the bat.

Speaker 2 It was nice to click into it, and it's 38 minutes.

Speaker 1 38 minutes, which they did on purpose.

Speaker 2 That was a delight.

Speaker 1 It was beautiful. Yeah, it's a quick watch.
Lynn's sanity,

Speaker 1 the crazy, crazy stretch, which looking back really was insane.

Speaker 1 Like the fact that he went from sleeping on a couch to dropping 38 on the Lakers and Kobe and that whole stretch and then that, I completely had forgotten about the after the 38 at the garden against the Lakers, the game winner against the Raptors.

Speaker 1 And I didn't believe it when I was watching the documentary, so I went back and I watched the final possession. I have never seen anything like that where the entire crowd went crazy for him.

Speaker 1 He was in Toronto and he hit a...

Speaker 1 buzzer beater against the Raptors and the whole crowd went nuts for him.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was wild. So

Speaker 3 when he got called to the Knicks after he got cut by, he got, I'm trying to remember the teams that next. It was the Warriors.

Speaker 3 The Warriors signed him initially because their GM had seen him play with the GM's son, an AAU. Yeah, like this kid can play.

Speaker 1 It was the Rockets, I believe.

Speaker 3 He didn't get a chance with the Warriors, didn't get a chance with the Rockets. And then he gets to the Knicks, kind of his last chance, and he doesn't even have a place to stay.

Speaker 3 So he's staying at his family member's couch. Like he's literally living on

Speaker 3 his brother's couch, living on a couch in New York City and playing for the Knicks, trying to get a a fair shake of it. And then his brother's like, well, I've got some friends coming into town.
So

Speaker 3 sorry, you can't stay on my couch anymore. So his brother kicks him off the couch, and then he has to stay with his teammate on his couch.
Landry Fields. Landry Fields.
Stays at Landry Fields' place.

Speaker 3 And then Dan Tony's like, well, we don't have any more players to put in. Everybody's injured.
I guess we'll give Jeremy a shot. And then he gets in the game.

Speaker 3 First of all, Tyson Chandler, when he starts playing alongside him on the Knicks, doesn't even recognize him as a teammate. I love that.

Speaker 1 In the hotel, they run into each other

Speaker 3 on the floor of their hotel room, and Tyson Chandler thinks that he's a fan and is like, I don't know how they're letting fans, like, security probably fucked up somehow because this guy's not, like, I don't know who he is.

Speaker 3 Tall ass fan.

Speaker 3 6'3, yeah. 6'3, yeah.
And so Lynn finally gets a shot. And then, as he's staying on Landry Field's couch, he just goes on this insane run, and now he's set for life.

Speaker 3 It's crazy, like, the sliding doors moment involved with Jeremy Lynn. He was at the right place at the right time, and he took advantage of it.

Speaker 1 I did like when they were talking about him sleeping on a couch, and they were doing interviews with different players from the team. And Iman Schumpert was doing his interview from his movie theater.

Speaker 1 That was pretty nice touch. But yeah, the whole story's nuts.
It also was cool. Hey, Newsflash, we're white guys, so we don't think about it the same way.

Speaker 1 And watching a lot of the interviews of Asian Americans being like, we've never seen this. Like, we never had someone who looks like us playing in the NBA.

Speaker 1 And to have him do it in New York in that stretch where he was just out of this world good.

Speaker 1 It's a cool story that, like, we shouldn't. I remember living in it and being like, this is insane.
When is he going to stop?

Speaker 1 I also, like, his name was so perfect for Lynn Sanity was such a cool thing to say.

Speaker 1 But yeah, he ended up making $65 million. Good for him.
$65 million off sleeping on a couch and having, and the best part of the whole story was

Speaker 1 he won a ring. He won a ring with the Raptors.

Speaker 1 His agent telling him after he's sleeping on his brother's couch and he knows he's going to play that night because there's so many injuries. His agent being like, hey, just so you know, this is it.

Speaker 1 Like, if you don't, if you play poorly, it's over. You're never playing again in the NBA.
You're going overseas. Like, it's it.
Having that pressure is insane.

Speaker 3 The as a white guy moment for me was when he did the wave-off because I remember watching that wave-off and seeing the highlights of that and just being like, that kicks ass. That was awesome

Speaker 3 Jeremy Lynn had the balls to do that. Not also realizing that if you're an Asian person, you're watching this, that's like a moment for you where, like, yeah,

Speaker 3 you can step up and

Speaker 3 you can be considered an alpha. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank, Toronto bad sports town?

Speaker 2 Toronto is a bad sports town. Although, you know, he.

Speaker 1 That was the thing that popped in my head as well. I was like, Hank's going to definitely say Toronto's a bad spot town.

Speaker 2 That's just Canadians out.

Speaker 2 Canadians get a pass. They're nice, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but then they got their street cred back when they cheered for Kevin Durant's Achilles blowing up.

Speaker 1 That's being hard.

Speaker 3 Is Canada a bad sports town overall?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they can't win a fucking Stanley Cup and it's their sport.

Speaker 3 Bad sports town. This is a gym.

Speaker 1 And they're smoking us out right now.

Speaker 3 That is on the other side. That's like a Turkish soccer riot that they've got going on up there.

Speaker 2 Aliens might have heard me too. Do you see the reports?

Speaker 2 There's like a police report. Haven't seen them yet, though, so they still haven't done shit.

Speaker 2 But there was a police report that got shared of a guy calling and saying aliens laying in his backyard and there's 10-foot figures. No pictures yet.
So probably still bullshit.

Speaker 2 Jake sends his note, and I just, this was a very jig note that only he would think this watching this.

Speaker 2 They showed the box score, and I thought to myself, how could the Knicks be 12 and 15 in February? Then I remembered that this was during the lockout year when Christmas Day was opening day.

Speaker 2 So Linsanity almost didn't happen if they hadn't ended the lockout two months prior.

Speaker 1 Wow, Jake. Always on it.

Speaker 1 Very cool, Jake. Yeah, he just sees the numbers.

Speaker 2 He's like, wait a second, 12 and 17 in February.

Speaker 1 It was a good, I love that they did it at 38 minutes.

Speaker 2 Well, we talked about this on the show a bunch where it's like they stretch out documentaries now where it used to be a one hour, hour and a half, and then now they're doing these six part series for something that should be an hour.

Speaker 2 This, clicking into it, thinking it was going to be an hour and a half, only being 38 minutes, which the story, that's, you know, that's that's all you needed.

Speaker 1 It was perfect for the story. Yeah, yeah.
So

Speaker 3 that coincided almost perfectly with Tebo Mania, too, right?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 3 2011? Yes.

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 1 12, so it was in February of 12.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but it would be the 2011 NFL season.

Speaker 1 I believe so. That's what I'm saying.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I thought you were talking about Tebo Mania and football, like college football. No,

Speaker 1 professional football. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So you want to retract your very harsh no that you just gave me?

Speaker 2 I said no, yes, maybe.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
Said it all. But

Speaker 1 he did cover all of his bases.

Speaker 3 I remember just that like six-month span being like, what's going on in professional sports?

Speaker 3 Sports is weird right now.

Speaker 1 People forget that the Bears started Tebo Mania. I think it was, was it Marion Barber who didn't?

Speaker 1 He went out of bounds. He shouldn't have gone out of bounds.
And then he had one of his first comebacks.

Speaker 1 It's nice to be part of those history moments on the wrong side. Also started Colin Kaepernick's career.
That was,

Speaker 1 fuck, what was his name? The guy who played everywhere. Jason.

Speaker 1 Jason Campbell. Jason Campbell had a spot start on Monday night football against the Niners.
Colin Kaepernick just absolutely torched the Bears.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Jason Campbell, big deal. Just wait till next year, guys.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But 38 at the Garden, much recommended.

Speaker 1 And it's also, like hank said a quick watch which is they really did like it was a perfect length for a story that wasn't a long story but it was cool to like relive it all and remember how insane it all was so go watch it max.com next week man on fire review very excited for that everyone watch it max.com sign up now has a great list of all types of documentaries shows everything everything on max.com uh and movies man on fire all right fire fest wrap us up fire fest of the week.

Speaker 1 Henry.

Speaker 2 Yeah, this is,

Speaker 2 I've had, I think, three or four different times where I know, you know, all honesty, like, this is the dumbest thing I've ever done in consecutive days. So I'll just rattle them off.

Speaker 2 Got my new car in New York last week, so I was driving it to Chicago. So I took two days to do that.
I drove six hours and then six hours yesterday.

Speaker 2 I obviously packed. I had been staying at my apartment in Hoboken, so I had some stuff stuff left there.
I had my computer and like the my work set up because I was working out of there.

Speaker 2 So I had a pretty packed car, a very packed car. It was completely packed, full of shit that I was, you know, my final belongings that I was bringing with me to Chicago.

Speaker 2 Obviously, I had my golf clubs in there. Stopped in Youngstown, Ohio.
That was the six, six, uh, you know, six-hour mark. We have a co-worker from Youngstown, so I hit him up.

Speaker 2 I was like, is there any good golf courses around there?

Speaker 3 Had to golf. Is that why you drove?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 that's definitely why you drove my culture. That is 100% why you drove.

Speaker 1 I had to bring my car out here.

Speaker 3 You drove for 12 hours so that you could play golf.

Speaker 1 No, you're not.

Speaker 2 That's not true at all.

Speaker 2 I didn't play golf.

Speaker 1 Spoiler.

Speaker 2 So, woke up in Youngstown, drove to the golf course.

Speaker 2 My golf bag was in basically in the back seat where you would put your legs, so it was at the bottom, but it was trapped on top with a bunch of shit. And I tried to pull it out, couldn't pull it out.

Speaker 2 Thought about taking everything out of my car so that I could get my golf clubs, but I was so frustrated because I tried to move a couple things, tried to squeeze it out. It just wasn't happening.

Speaker 2 So I was like, this was fucking stupid. Got back in the car, kept driving.
So

Speaker 2 that was bothersome. That was a dumb move.
Didn't think about it. Whatever.
Get to Chicago. Finally, six-hour drive, long day.
Didn't get to golf. Was you know, just grinding out there.

Speaker 1 You did go to the golf course.

Speaker 2 I did go to the golf course. I did pull out one club and hit it on the driving range for 20 minutes.

Speaker 3 So you did play golf?

Speaker 1 So you did play golf. Okay.
I hit a couple balls.

Speaker 2 When I moved into my apartment two weeks ago, my electricity was off. I moved in on a Friday.

Speaker 2 I had to call and get like my electric box number. By the time I got all that, it was eight o'clock at night.

Speaker 2 The electric company was closed for the weekend, and then I was leaving on the Monday night. So I wasn't going to be back there for two weeks.

Speaker 2 So in my head, I'm like, all right, once I get, you know, I'll do it when I'm home in New York. I'll just call and set up my electricity, do it all.
Didn't do it. Push it off.

Speaker 2 Get back into my apartment last night, 7:30. And when I first moved in, some of the lights worked, like the bathroom lights worked, a couple of the kitchen lights.

Speaker 2 So I was able to maneuver the weekend. It wasn't a problem.
I had some source of light. I had some source of power.

Speaker 2 Get there

Speaker 2 on Wednesday night, 7:30, sunsetting.

Speaker 2 None of the lights are off.

Speaker 2 None of the lights are on. It's about to get dark.

Speaker 2 I had all these boxes that I ordered, so I came to basically a full house full of shit that I was like, oh, I'll just, you know, bang this unpacking out tonight with some light.

Speaker 2 Realized that it was, I had no power. The electric company was closed until the morning.
And in about 20 minutes, I was going to be sitting in a pitch-black apartment.

Speaker 3 Important question: What battery percentage was your cell phone on?

Speaker 2 Fully charged. My huge upgrade from the Mazda memes will experience this.
Has a charger, doesn't charge, holds a charge, doesn't increase a charge.

Speaker 2 So, having a char, a car that like I got out of the car and it was full battery because it had been on the charger, great feeling. Uh, minor upgrade.

Speaker 2 So, I called PFT. I was like, hey, I have no power.
He very kindly invited me over. Stayed at his house.
Lovely place. Beautiful.

Speaker 2 You know, no cold, lukewarm water, but great, great sleep, great night.

Speaker 3 Fuck, Hank.

Speaker 1 Come on, Hank.

Speaker 3 It was trash. You're going to trash my water temperature?

Speaker 2 No, you asked. You're like, you want a review, so I gave you a review.

Speaker 3 I didn't ask you to review my...

Speaker 3 hot water heater on part of my take. Sorry.

Speaker 3 It's a simple fix, by the way. I looked into it.
I already fixed it. Now I've got the hottest water in Chicago.
That's what they say about my house.

Speaker 2 Okay, so that's part two. That when I walked into my house and I was like, well, no,

Speaker 1 let me back in.

Speaker 2 I was like, I'm the dumbest person in the world.

Speaker 2 That was the second time I said that.

Speaker 3 Hank also hit me up and was like, hey,

Speaker 3 do you have power? And I was like, yeah,

Speaker 3 I do have power. He's like, oh, I don't have power.
Do you mind if I come over for just a couple hours and like use your power and then I'll go back to my apartment?

Speaker 1 Oh, I said you want to hang out for a couple hours.

Speaker 2 I was thinking, I just didn't, I wanted to, I was like, fine with someone.

Speaker 1 Well, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 I I wasn't even inviting myself. I was just like,

Speaker 2 I need something to do for the next three hours because I have no power.

Speaker 3 I know, but you were like, can I come over and use your power and then I'll go home to my black apartment?

Speaker 3 And I was like, Hank, just stay over at my house. Like, that's what you really want to ask.
That's okay. I was, you were a great house guest.
In fact, so shout out to Hank.

Speaker 3 I took a picture of Hank's room after he left this morning. The room that he stayed in.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 1 He made the bed. Yeah.
Hank made the bed. Look at that.
But

Speaker 3 all right, if I'm grading this on a scale of one to Jake, Jake being like better than any housekeeper that could ever come to your house or a hotel room, I give this, you get like half a Jake on that.

Speaker 3 It's a little wrinkly. See that?

Speaker 2 I mean, no one. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you could do a better job.

Speaker 3 Jake pulls these sheets taut. He pulls them very tight.
He does hospital corners, which is wonderful. But yeah,

Speaker 3 Hank was a great house guest.

Speaker 2 All right, then I'll finish it off because this has been long-winded and I'm just an idiot. Yeah, it has.

Speaker 2 Go to the DMV this morning to get my new plates and my license is about to expire, so I have to get a new license.

Speaker 2 They say, okay, can we have your birth certificate and social security card? I realized, I was like, oh, I forgot that. It's in a lockbox.
Then the light bulb went off.

Speaker 2 The only thing that I did not bring with me from my Hoboken apartment, which is completely empty, I packed everything. There is one box in one pull-out shelf.

Speaker 2 that contains my birth certificate, social security card, passport that is still in Hobo.

Speaker 3 Are they going to ship that to you?

Speaker 2 I am working on it.

Speaker 1 Have been a bad thing. So you did do the most dumbest, you did like the dumbest things in consecutive days.

Speaker 2 And then at the DMV, I was like, I am the dumbest person in the world. So it was three times in two days,

Speaker 2 and it actually got progressively worse. Like the golf clubs was like kind of stupid, but just bad packing.
The lights thing was really stupid. Could have done that.

Speaker 2 I had weeks to do that, just didn't do it. And then the license thing was like, just pack your license.
You literally packed everything in your apartment. Oh, Hank.

Speaker 3 except for your fucking birth certificate and pass good news is hank you have like one more week to get all this out of your system because you can you can chalk this off to be like i'm in my 20s i don't know this stuff yeah true next week june 13th you're an adult and then what day is your birthday tuesday yeah what are we gonna do rushmores we should do you know what we should do we should get petting sue oh not rushmore's birthdays you want to oh maybe we do the fantasy baseball draft that night

Speaker 1 why oh i guess we could yeah yeah get drunk hank are you a cake guy a pie guy

Speaker 1 I'm more of a cake guy. Okay.
Ice cream cake.

Speaker 3 Get a stripper.

Speaker 1 What about pie?

Speaker 3 Get a stripper to the office for you?

Speaker 1 Cream pies.

Speaker 1 No. No.
Too dangerous. Yeah, too dangerous.

Speaker 3 We got Zion in all this trouble.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. All right.

Speaker 1 You suck at life. Yeah.
It's really the too long didn't read Hank sucks at life still. Yeah.
But you're going to be 30.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you're in your 20s. These are youthful mistakes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 The DMV part is really the kicker because like once you're there,

Speaker 1 the biggest fear of anyone having to go to the DMV is you get there and you don't have the documents.

Speaker 1 Because once you make the effort to go there and stand online, there's no bigger kick in the nuts when they're like, yeah, you don't have everything.

Speaker 2 But even then, it's like, all right, it's close. I can just go back to my apartment and grab them.
And that light bulb going off of like, oh yeah, it's in that box, which is...

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh my God, it's... Definitely still in my fucking apartment.

Speaker 3 Can you send Billy to their house to just knock on the door?

Speaker 2 I did call Billy.

Speaker 2 I got people working on it. Okay, good.
But I'm shook because I'm getting these documents shipped to me.

Speaker 2 And if what if they don't show up, then I'm out of a birth certificate, passport, and social security card.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You got to insure that package.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we'll see. Stay tuned.

Speaker 1 I'm sure

Speaker 1 we'll be back. You know,

Speaker 2 some weeks I don't have a firefest, some weeks I got them all.

Speaker 3 If you lose your birth certificate, then you might not actually, in the eyes of the law, turn 30.

Speaker 2 Also, love being a road dog, but I need a road dog when I'm on the road dog. Yeah.
It's tough.

Speaker 1 You jerk off while you're driving at home.

Speaker 1 Just once? No.

Speaker 3 Not just once. Come on.

Speaker 1 Little roadhead for yourself.

Speaker 1 Have you ever? No.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, PFT.

Speaker 3 My Fire Fest of the Week is actually closely aligned with the real Fire Fest. So last Friday night, I went out with a couple people from Barstool.

Speaker 3 We went out to a local bar in Manhattan, and I was talking to Jeff D. Lowe, host of the dozen.
And

Speaker 3 we were talking about Billy McFarland.

Speaker 3 And I was like, you know, I've got Billy's number, and we're right next to where his old office used to be. And Jeff's like, give him a call, see if he wants to come out and hang out.

Speaker 3 So I texted Billy McFarland, asked him to come out and just drink with us. I'm like, hey, I'm by your place.
Turns out I accidentally sent that text to the wrong Billy in my phone book.

Speaker 3 Billy Football? I sent that to Billy Football.

Speaker 1 No. And then Billy was like, no, I can't.

Speaker 3 I'm out of the, I'm out of town. I got battle by chicks.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Well, he said

Speaker 1 someone in my family broke their leg.

Speaker 3 He said he was at a funeral, which I immediately was like, well, it's 10.30 on a Friday night.

Speaker 3 But I think he was actually in a different town for a funeral. He wasn't currently at a funeral.

Speaker 3 And then I was like, oh, shit, I texted Billy by mistake. So then I texted the real Billy, and he replied to me, would love to, but can't.
I'm stuck right now. And

Speaker 3 that was kind of an ego check on my part. I got, I've never been stuck before by somebody where they don't even give me an explanation.
They're just like, I'm stuck.

Speaker 3 I don't know if it is like a stepmom thing. I don't know what he's talking about, but he's like, I'm stuck right now.
I can't make it out. So

Speaker 3 at that point, I was like, what's that?

Speaker 2 Got a Semtex.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you got Semtex. Yeah.
So he's like, I'm stuck. I can't make it out.
And I was like, man, I guess Billy doesn't think that I'm cool.

Speaker 3 And then the next day at Darts, I texted Billy again because I was with Jeff again. I was like, I was like,

Speaker 1 let's see if Billy

Speaker 1 wants to come party.

Speaker 3 And Billy couldn't make it out again. And I was like, well, I don't think that Billy McFarland likes me very much.

Speaker 2 Just fly him out of here.

Speaker 3 This is tough to swallow. And then a couple days ago, I get a text back out of nowhere from Billy McFarland.
and he's like, well, what about next week? Are you going to be around next week?

Speaker 3 I'm like, I will be around in New York next week. So I think Billy wants to hang out and drink beers.
So I think I'm going to go drink some beers with Billy McFarland next week, which should be fun.

Speaker 3 Maybe he'll fly me to an island.

Speaker 1 What the fuck? He's a known criminal scam artist? Yeah. Hey, hey, listen.

Speaker 3 It's not like he went to jail or anything.

Speaker 3 Alleged, alleged known criminal artists.

Speaker 2 I hope he goes you for fucking blowing him off, blowing up his spot.

Speaker 3 No, it wasn't fraud. It was false advertising.
John Roll said that. Damn.
So, yeah, hopefully, I'll toss back a couple pints with old Billy M.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
And maybe the real Billy.

Speaker 2 Wait, so your fire fest is that?

Speaker 1 You're just going to go, I guess, is it a moral fire fest that you're now

Speaker 1 colluding with a criminal? Yeah, I think I'm a piece of shit.

Speaker 3 I don't know what my fire fest is. I don't know what kind of scams I'm about to get roped into.
Yeah, a lot.

Speaker 1 A lot.

Speaker 3 But yes,

Speaker 3 there will be scams. Yes.

Speaker 1 All right. I got a couple quick ones.
One, can't get too far into it, but

Speaker 1 listen, there's gambling regulators have their rules.

Speaker 1 There was a hearing in Massachusetts on Wednesday about a certain parlay. Let's just say it was the CLP.

Speaker 1 We're not going to say the whole name. But in defense of myself and Barstool Sports, our lawyer spent basically two hours saying I'm the dumbest and worst gambler of all time.
Repeatedly.

Speaker 3 That's entered into the court record.

Speaker 1 It just kept on popping up on my Twitter. I was trending and I was like, why am I trending? He's like, oh, because this guy just keeps saying, and I think he's doing a great job.

Speaker 1 So he's defending us, but in defense of us, he basically, his key witness was my dumb fucking brain. So it wasn't the best, but you got to just laugh about it.

Speaker 3 You know what you should do? You should rename it next year to the must-win party. I've tried those.

Speaker 1 They do not.

Speaker 1 Turns out. Gambling regulars don't have like the greatest sense of humor.
They don't have.

Speaker 1 No, it's not their job. They don't deal in the world of irony and sarcasm.
No, that's not their job. It's totally fun.

Speaker 3 It's not parody law. That's essentially what the lawyer is arguing is parody law.

Speaker 1 No, he's he's yeah. I mean, he's basically being like, this guy's a piece of shit, idiot, never wins, loser.
And if I didn't make that clear, let me just repeat that 20 more times. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it was fun.

Speaker 1 And then my other fire fest is there was, obviously, people saw the smoke in Manhattan and the crazy forest fire that's happening in Canada.

Speaker 1 And my son's school, they sent out a notice being like, If you don't, if you don't feel comfortable bringing your kids to school, totally understand, like, you don't want them outside and stuff.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, whatever, he's going to go to school. Um,

Speaker 1 there was three kids at school today, so then you think about yourself as one of three, yeah, where it's like, oh, whoops. And should I have kept them home?

Speaker 3 Probably the other parents had like reasons why they needed to get their kid out of the house that day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so, uh, yeah, so whoops on that, but that's fine.

Speaker 3 He's going to toughen up his lungs a a little bit. They said that being outside in that weather is like smoking six cigarettes over 24 hours.

Speaker 3 If you're out there in 24 hours, listen, that's like training at altitude. Your son's going to come back with tremendous cardio.

Speaker 1 Yeah, nothing. But that is always a shitty feeling when all these other responsible parents are like, yeah, let's not put our four-year-olds outside today.
And I'm like, nah, send the kids.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 3 That's pussification of America stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm on the other side. All right.
Good show, everyone. Let's do numbers off random generators so they don't really count, but we'll let memes count.

Speaker 1 Memes have you ever gotten it?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 I'm going to go 69.

Speaker 1 Good guess.

Speaker 4 I'll go

Speaker 1 23.

Speaker 1 Memes, Max?

Speaker 4 1.

Speaker 3 20.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Are you watching PFT? I'm hitting it. You got a number? On 69.

Speaker 1 TJ says. 80.

Speaker 1 What did you say, Andrew? 69.

Speaker 1 He had also 69.

Speaker 3 You were going to guess 80, though, probably, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, all right. Congrats.

Speaker 3 You got it before memes. Good job.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. See everyone on Monday.
Life episode coming Monday with Russell and Titus. We will have some stuff about the NBA game four and other things that might happen in between.

Speaker 3 We'll see everyone Monday. Nudson 5.
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