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Today is Friday, June 9th, and heat culture is dead. Sorry to see it go.
Looks like Nugs and Five. Nugs and Five, I stand by it.
That was a nice game that they had the other night, but there's just too much. We said that the Nuggets have the best Batman-Robin combo, maybe in the NBA.
I think that's probably fair to say now. Best duo.
Where now it's like they've got a Batman and a Robin, and also the Robin has his own Robin to his Batman. You're talking about Christian Brown.
I'm talking about Christian Brown. Yes.
Who played out of his mind. Deli Plus game last night from Christian Brown.
Incredible. And the best Christian Brown moment was when he was all over the place, making plays, driving to the rim, dunking.
And then he's like, let me try a three. And then promptly threw it off the side of the backboard.
But Christian Brown was incredible. Jokic was insane.
He had the perfect stat line for a minute there. He ended up ending the game with 32 21 and 10 but there was a moment in the fourth quarter where they showed his stat line he had played 40 minutes he had 30 points he had 20 rebounds and 10 assists and it was so visit like visually beautiful to look at and he is now so historically he is the first NBA player in in NBA Finals history to go 30-20-10.
And there's been five 30-20-10 playoff games ever. He now has three of the five.
It's insane. The other two, Kareem and Wilt, pretty good company.
Yeah, so also, it was the first triple-double in NBA Finals history for two teammates, right? Yeah, so Jamal Murray also had a triple-double. It was a double-triple-double last night.
And Mike Malone, who is a guest of the show. Not a stat-patter.
Not a stat-patter, but Jamal Murray was in the game with about a minute left, up 10. Not a stat-patter.
To get that 10th rebound. You know, I need to go back and look at Jokic's games because I'm pretty sure game one, when you look at his triple-doubles, they're all they're like snowflakes each one is is uh not like the last one because i think his first triple double you could call that was that the 40 point game no he had the 40 point game in game two that was the second one okay all right so so his first game he had uh i think it was the most uh it was assist right that was the assist game i'll look it up right i'm not i'm not sure but the point that I'm trying to make is one game he'll have like a million assists.
Next game he'll have a million rebounds. And the next game he'll have a million points.
So he can beat you with any different variety of types of triple doubles. And he also rolls out of bed in the first quarter and he's already trending for a triple double.
I think he was like 10-5-5 in the first quarter. He's like, oh yeah, it's going to be one of those nights yeah jokic is the best player on earth i think we should embrace debate big guy i got a question for you because i don't think jokic wants to be a star i think he wants to go to work go home facetime his horses and hop in the pool yes does he want or care to be a superstar that's deleted kevin durant tweet that's i don't know why he deleted it i think he deleted because he didn't want it to be taken way.
He didn't want to be. He didn't want to get in the muck on Twitter all day because that is one of those tweets that you throw out there and then you have to sit there and look at the replies all day.
So, yeah. So essentially what happened was Dan Levitar threw out the point, which I don't really understand whatsoever.
He's basically said Jokic is magic and bird and America hates him. don't think anyone in America hates him I think he's probably the most liked guy the only hate that you could say that Jokic has gotten this year was from the Embiid mafia and that was directed because they were trying to prop up Embiid he is universally liked in America so I guess if you want to say if he was American would would he be a bigger star? Yeah, you know what? Probably.
Because that's probably how it usually works, where the guy who if if he was from Iowa or Oklahoma, yeah, you're right. If he played NCAA, if he had had a crazy NCAA tournament run with Oklahoma State, yeah, you're right.
We probably would have like, you know, thought about him more and propped him up more as american that's a fair point but that wasn't the point he was making he was saying america hates him again i don't know how i i've yet to see someone who who hates yokich it's it's a really good tactic to use those to like create a guy out there and then get into an argument with that guy that doesn't exist that's what 90 the internet is right now yes it's just you invent a guy to be mad at it's a straw man i don't yeah nobody hates nobody hates yokich my mom said his head's too big for his body that's not too small for his body yeah his haircut makes his head look small uh but that's not even hate that's like the meanest thing that i've heard about yokich and again maybe if you're a horse you hate him because where's your back out all day or he's never home yeah you miss him yeah you miss him you but yeah he he like yes if if you want to say that a guy who if he was in he was born in america would be a bigger star in america i'm gonna agree with that so this tells me that kd definitely still has burners this tweet was meant to be sent from one of his burners that's why he deleted it yes this was not meant for the main account and i think that maybe the reason why he deleted it and he could have left it up because i think he wasn't saying anything bad he was saying that like yokich doesn't care for the limelight like saying he doesn't care about being a superstar doesn't mean that it's not a negative against him it's just like some people are built for media attention and they like that stuff they want to be front and center all the time he doesn't he doesn't want to be front and center all the time but I don't think that's a negative thing to say at all. No, not at all.
He goes about his work. He seems like an unbelievable teammate.
I mean, we know he's an unbelievable teammate on the court. Seems like an unbelievable teammate off the court as well.
Yeah, I don't think it's a combo of a guy who probably doesn't love the limelight and also playing in a city and franchise that doesn't have, like if Jokic was a Nick or Jokic was, yeah, he probably would have a higher profile. That's not really like the argument like Denver and Denver is now going to, if they win this finals, will go forward and their profile will raise.
But of course Jokic isn't like the most talked about star in the NBA because of that full combo. american doesn't doesn't love the limelight and plays in denver he still is universally liked you know what i learned last night because i was watching the game with a nuggets fan if you're a nuggets fan in denver you can't watch their games on tv unless you have a very specific type of package because they're not on comcast or whatever they use out there the main cable service does not carry them direct tv doesn't even really carry them so you can't watch nuggets games unless you go out to a bar to watch you can't watch nuggets games you can watch the finals obviously but but like during regular season games unless they're on espn you can't watch them unless they're on national television the um arsenal fans always tell us that stan crock he's a bad owner but he's about to possibly win a NFL Super Bowl, a Stanley Cup, and an NBA title all within, what, five years? Well, also, Arsenal's been the best team in the EPL all season, right? I think they're going to finish one.
They're definitely going to win the EPL this year, for sure. Is Stan Kroenke the goat owner? I think if Stan Kroenke was British, they would love him.
This is going to piss off so many people love everyone in england hates stan kronke because he's not from england but if he was for if he was english he would be the most celebrated person there and we're just forgetting like all of our listeners from st louis just like arthur meme yeah you know the fist is starting to get tighter and tighter as we talk about how stan kronke is an incredible owner okay also i know Also, I know that Arsenal choked away the EP all this year. We do know that.
We do know that. We're dumb-facing.
Yes. Dumb-presenting.
We're dumb-presenting. My pronouns are shithead.
Yeah. But the game was great.
Jamal Murray, I mean, for the Nuggets. I was a little pissed at the Heat because I wasn't going to turn off an NBA Finals game, but I don't know if you guys had the same experience.
I was sitting on my couch watching the game being like, it's not over, the heat. But it was.
It was always over. And outside of Jokic and Murray, who have been incredible, and they both had incredible nights, the Nuggets are just too tall.
They're simply too tall for the heat. That's what we said after game one.
The Heat don't have anybody that can match up with them. Bam had 17 rebounds, and the Nuggets still had 15 more rebounds than the Heat.
You've got Bam, then you've got Chris Kamen Jr. that they can put in.
Yeah, Zeller. Yeah, Zeller.
And then who's left after that to guard any of their bigs? Yeah. Nobody really.

They put in Haslam at the end for a second.

That was awesome.

Yeah, it was really mean when they zoomed in on his hair.

Yeah, that was mean.

That was really mean.

Him and Jeff Green both, they like to zoom in on their hair.

Yeah.

Which as a guy that will soon be approaching that level, I took major offense to that.

It's like, let it go.

So do we think the Heat are dead?

Because this is now the trap that we fall into. Yeah.
Where now that the Heat have to win a game, would you say must win? Must win game four for the Heat? This is beyond a must win. Yeah.
This is the mustest win. So now they're backs to the wall.
Jimmy Butler has not been heard of, heard from this series. Like, maybe.
I'm going to get the narrative going, though. Jimmy butler does it make you hank jimmy butler's hurt jimmy butler and caleb martin have not been good i'm not i'm yeah i'm curious more just you know from max's perspective my my compadre here where everyone last year you know him and tatum and and jimmy butler's you know finals numbers tatums are actually better and everyone was calling tatum last year year biggest choke, can't show up in the big moments.
Jimmy Butler is doing even worse than Jason Tatum last year. Are we ready to have the discussion? Nowhere to be found in the fourth quarter.
Where's the discussion? Why aren't we having a Jimmy Butler choke artist conversation? Right, Max? Isn't it crazy? Should we start? Agreed. Terrible, terrible propaganda against my Celtics, like always.
It's crazy. It's just interesting.
I do think he has to have a game where he takes over and wins a game for them. For it to not become like, where was Jimmy Butler in the finals? I'm going to say that he's injured, though.
I'm going to be the first to report that Jimmy Butler is not healthy. When did he get injured? He got injured when he rolled his ankle.
Against the Knicks. One of the six the next one of the six times yeah yeah and then played very well in those first three games but you know how rolled ankles are sometimes it's worse than a break you you wait three weeks and then it just flares up again i do like i think he are in deep deep water because they're just nuggets are better and taller and tall tallness matters height matters it does in basketball sadly in life it does but especially in basketball but if there's ever a team to not count out like it wouldn't shock me if on friday night the heat somehow pulled a rabbit out of their hat partially because for the 17th time these playoffs we've declared heat culture dead they pop up and it's 2-2 going back to den I would be surprised if the Heat won.
I think the Nuggets are going to win it in five. In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb.
I think that this Nuggets team should win three championships. Ooh.
Dynasty already? I think this should be a dynasty. Think about it.
Look at the players that they have right now. Look how they're playing as a unit.
They've got a great coach that knows this team inside and out. With Murray, with Porter, Gordon, and Jokic all together.
And then you've got defensive help, too, that they brought in this offseason that should be around. You should be able to extend them.
KCP, I feel like with this roster, let's just say that it will be a disappointment to me if the Nuggets win fewer than three NBA championships. Okay, so they have to do that.
Otherwise, it's a complete bust. Complete failure.
They haven't even won one yet, and we're already on Dynasty Talk. That's how it works in sports media.
I'm getting ahead of it because that is going to be the conversation. Make no mistake, when they win this first one, it's going to be on first take, and they're going to say, how great do you think this team can win?

Yeah.

Michael Porter Jr., by the way, has not been great.

He has not been good.

They have been benching him, basically.

Which is why I replaced him as Jamal Murray's Robin with Christian Brown.

Yes.

Yes.

Christian Brown was, I mean, that was, that, if you're a guy who's a true role player guy and, like, bench seventh eighth ninth guy whatever it may be uh you just hope you have that one moment in the playoff run so that when they talk about that ring they can be like yeah that was a christian brown christian brown like he had that game he had he's going to be featured on the one shining moment yeah he's because because otherwise you don't want to be the guy who's like oh yeah when you look at look back at it like oh okay so he played like three minutes there five minutes no he had in an nba finals game he came into the game and what he scored was 21 or something something yeah i think it was 21 he was on fire uh i i've got an interesting stat here in the playoffs big cat you know um the center who the highest three-point percentage of all time? The center in the playoffs? Wait, say it again. I'm looking up how many points Christian Brown have.
Of any center in the playoffs. 15 points.
Sorry, 15 points. Highest.
Say it one more time. Highest three-point percentage of any center in the playoffs who has attempted over 100 threes.
Oh, I was going to say over 100 threes because I it could be like shack is like one for two yeah over 100 so it's a shooter oh who is it it's yokich okay it's yokich and i did that was a trick question no no i did see the stat on nba reddit uh and also who's the flip side to that i don't know who's second do you know who the last player is who's who's worst it is in bead yeah also hank just might have looked at my computer but yeah i can't read that it's also that's a no-brainer this is the dozen rigged it is a no-brainer yeah and bead i was hoping it was a trick question but yeah i just wanted to say that for no particular reason yokich also that's crazy he's even got that many threes off He only plays like one round a year. Who impede? Yeah.
Against your Celtics, Max.

The. Also, that's crazy he's even got that many threes off.
He only plays like one round a year. Who, Embiid? Yeah.
Against your Celtics, Max. It's insane Jokic's touch.
Like, he just throws balls up at the rim, and he'll have shots that hit the front of the rim. You're like, how's that going to go in? He's a little carny.
And it just rolls right in. Yeah.
It does feel like there's a magnet on the ball sometimes. Because he's just, his touch is insane.
Murray's got crazy touch, too. That layup that he had that bounced off the top of the backboard was insane.
Yeah. All right.
So that was game three. Good game.
Stanley Cup. So we are taping the, or we're doing a live show tonight in Chicago.
The dozenzen Final, Final Four. What are we going to say for True Journey Adventure? No, fuck you, Hank.
First of all, I'd like to say that Hank – He looked at you when he said that. I came into the office, and Hank immediately goes, you know, I'm kind of rooting for Clem, Dave, and Eddie to win tonight.
Well, it's kind of similar to Max, who said he was going to wear a Quiggs jersey tonight. Quiggs is facing off against my team in the first round.
And I reminded Max. Well, I just pointed out to Max that Pardon My Cheese Steak is doing pretty well.
And all the boys get taken care of at the end of the year. It's a team effort.
Everyone is part of it. And I think when Hank PFT and I all sit down and we say, who's getting what money from

Pardon My Cheese Steak?

We take out a big board and it just has a loyalty ranking.

And that's how we decide it.

When Hank's involved in that, I thought it was just me and you that were involved in

it.

Hank was involved in it last year.

Should we cut him out?

That's because we allowed him to do it.

Yeah, that's true.

So Hank rooting against me right now.

Max rooting against Big Cat.

Everything's coming up memes.

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Memes has pink eye.

What? Memes has pink eye?

Wait, what?

You have pink eye right

now? That was mean.

I touched your

hand. That was fucked up, Hank.

We tapped up when I got here. Yeah, actually, no,'re so awkward You know what the most fucked up thing About this entire situation is Big Cat With Hank rooting against me You know what Hank did last night Hank hit me up at like That's Firefest No but I think it's directly tied into this conversation That we're having right now.
No, but it's Firefest. Let's say we're at Firefest.
I know it's Firefest. As much as I like you, I would enjoy it if Brandon lost.
Yeah, that's the problem, PFT, that you keep running into is that you have the most hateable person in the world. I want you to win, but I can also live with you.
You losing could provide good content, which is good for the show, which I about the most so it's like there's a there's a there's you know a rationale behind it yeah you have it was just you if you're playing by yourself i'd be so hateable with like a mix of like lebron and john rocker but he's so hateable that he's likable no is the thing no yeah no there's no one i want to see win less there's no redeeming qualities qualities to Brandon Walker. Who would you rather see win, Brandon or Max? Max.
Yeah, because Max at least, look at him. He's just like a big jolly.
He's the best loser, though. Well, that's why it's kind of like, you know, you can just say yes because you know it's never going to happen.
I almost said the meanest thing you can say to another fat guy. It truly is.
It's us against the world. I almost called you Cuddly.
I'll take Cuddly. I'll take Cuddly.
No, there's nothing worse than being called Cuddly. Max doesn't.
Oh, God. I just want to squeeze him between two graham crackers.
Oh, no. He's got a kissable face.
I want to curl up next to him like a little puppy, which I don't know. He'd probably slit my throat.
So, Panthers going to win tonight? No. Oh.
We're in our Stanley Cup preview. That all counts, by the way.
Yeah, Panthers win tonight. Okay.
we're in our Stanley Cup preview that all counts by the way uh yeah Panthers win tonight okay all right we'll talk about the the Stanley Cup on Sunday or Saturday Sunday Monday show we have a life episode coming yeah I'll just say while we're doing it um my dad's having his memorial service on Sunday so we're gonna tape on Saturday the preview of We're going to tape the NBA reaction from Friday night's game.

Yep. They asked the Panthers coach the dumbest question.
Hockey reporters. I don't know.
Are they dumb? Are they hockey guys? No, they're not. Yeah, you can tell because they asked the coach, like, are you going to bench Bobrovsky? And he was like, what? No, absolutely not.
Are you kidding me? He's like, like pulled them they pulled yeah they pulled him because he didn't have a great start but it wasn't all his fault yeah no their team sucked yeah game two so yeah it's it in the in the Stanley Cup finals can you imagine if you bench Bobrovsky no no it's not gonna happen uh the all right so I'll take the Panthers tonight go peas yeah go peas let Peas. All right, before we talk about some other stuff and get to our interview with Mike McDaniel, quick word from our friends at Turo.
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and uh for people who aren't online zion williamson the other day did a gender reveal with his girlfriend uh congrats to them by the way i think baby girl was it a gender reveal or was it a pregnancy it might have been a pregnancy reveal so still yet to be determined gender that triggered

unfortunately for Zion

a string of tweets

by a lady who allegedly has been spending time with Zion and didn't know about the girlfriend. I'll read.
I'll just read a random one. Just a random, random one.
I let you spit in my mouth last week when we fucked. You could have told me you had another whore pregnant.
How is that going to work moving us both to New Orleans? You think I would have found out? So that you can get the gist. Yeah, I'd like to read another random tweet if that's okay.
Okay, yeah, yeah, please. I motivated you to get back in shape.
Yes. I let you fuck me all kinds of ways and fill me on your phone at Zion Williamson and you impregnate a low-budget porn star dna test or i'm done yeah so that one's tough to unpack because it basically is like zion is now having his girlfriends and his girlfriend girlfriends and whoever his relationships are they all are in the zion weight loss program but i i kind of like i i like the fact that she's letting him fuck her in different positions just to get a workout in.
Yeah. It sounds like the other girl, Mariah Mills, who's apparently a porn star as well.
I don't know. She's a porn star.
Yeah. It's a little confusing.
This all is a legend, I guess. This should clear it all up.
Well, it is. Because anytime I get confused about a situation like this, I like to look at a black sports online headline.
And that usually clears it all

up for me. More women are planning

to speak on

Zion Williamson because they are upset

he got an alleged squirter pregnant

instead of them. I love the

use of alleged 30 percent slideshow.

And a podcast playing.

That's wonderful, wonderful journalism

on his part. Making sure that you don't get sued.

She is allegedly a squirter. It has not been confirmed.
This is all alleged. Hank just looked at me like- Well, I don't think the porn star is like that.
I think that can just be verified. Yeah, I guess.
But you could also make the argument like he is a very well-known person. Anyone could start tweeting about spitting in mouths and fucking in different positions.
It seems real, but I also don't like- Well, he was on Snapchat. i'm sure he was on snapchat does hurt now are we sure this can't get out there snapchat are we sure it was zion williamson because the the screen name was zion williamson right snapchat it could have been anybody yeah and um as far as the spitting in mouth i i just try to spin zone this for zion and be like maybe he's you know not finishing all his food maybe he that's part of the workout program or he's losing water weight that way yeah i was just researching this the topic on twitter and someone tweeted thoughts and glocks zion williamson and john morant documentary coming soon yeah so jaws the other part it sounds like she's a rastafarian the way she mounts zion yeah i mean she had some she went on a tweet spree oh here's another one don't don't call my phone at zion williamson you lost me for good until i see dna i'm done yeah shout out marcia clark yeah yeah there was uh i told you i told you you was going to be the next king next to LeBron.
I motivated you. Mm-hmm.
Oh, and these women are 33 and 29 for the record. Your baby mama is the reason you gained weight.
She toxic. So now we have alleged reasons for gaining weight too.
Because the baby mama was... Toxic.
Was feeding him. Toxic.
You know what? That does sound toxic. It sounds like she was trying to get...
This happens in relationships sometimes. Have you ever seen like my thousand pound wife or whatever that show is? Sometimes in an abusive relationship, somebody will make the other person fat so that other people won't find them desirable.
It sounds like that's what the baby mama was doing, trying to get him fat. The porn star was like, like hey i want you to be in better shape i want

you to be the next lebron sounds like she's the real ride or die yeah and also the the woman who

went on the tweet uh spree about zion like said she's still moving in orleans so i think he still

has two girlfriends which kind of rocks pending the dna yeah pending the dna also just a heads up

to zion like when someone goes on a tweet spree about you like this don't call them right away

because then they can be like look he's calling yeah calling. Yeah.
Oh, you know what? This actually does explain a lot about Zion's weight gain. He's got two girlfriends.
He's going out to two dinners a night. Yeah.
He's got to put on weight. Double breakfast.
Yeah. I've seen.
Double lunch. I've seen enough shitty sitcoms to know the plot point where you're at one restaurant and you're like, oh, I got to go to the bathroom.
You sprint to the other restaurant. Yeah.
Sit down for a little bit. Oh, I got to go to the bathroom.
Go back to the first restaurant. This is kind of like when I eat dinner with my kids at home and then I come back to the studio and then we get like a huge spread of meal.
Yeah. He's been eating double snacks and double pussy.
Yeah. So Zion, maybe not the best day.
I would like to get a comment from Mike Malone being like, why are people talking about Zion and not the Nuggets? Just imagining him being mad about that would be very funny. And then we have Ja Morant, who his camp is now alleging that it's a toy gun.
So if it were a toy gun, credit to Ja, because he basically, it's like a nicotine patch. He's weaning himself off guns.
But if I was Ja Morantan i'd be pissed off at my team for putting that information out there because you're essentially saying that the gun that you held up in the live stream was such a shitty ridiculous gun that it could be mistaken for a toy gun i think the first gun could have been more of the toy that was that was like a derringer yeah so uh interesting interesting uh like path for forward for ja when is when Adam Silver going to announce the suspension? Is it going to be, like, at the trophy ceremony? Because he's got a suspension ready for Ja. Maybe the draft right before the first pick.
Yeah. That would actually be mean but hilarious if he mentioned it right before the Grizzlies pick.
Yeah. And then we also had, in NBA news, this really was a day that they were like, how many stories can we have that take away from the nuggets? Chris Paul has reportedly been waived, but he's not waived because why would they wave him right now? They don't have to.
And it sounds like if you're reading between the lines, the sons basically sat him down like, hey, we owe you $30 million. We're not going to pay you $30 million.
We're going to probably waive you, so we only have to pay you $15 million, and then we'd like to re-sign you for way less. And it doesn't feel like it's headed for a good ending there.
The way that it's being framed right now in the news makes it seem like Chris Paul isn't coming back. No.
And so if you're Chris Paul, even if that was the plan, the way that it's played out would probably make you more inclined to not be a son. Yes.
I also didn't, I wasn't aware of the Chris Paul clip where he talked about his daughter getting like bullied at school, which sucks. That does suck.
But the example he used was, he's like, yeah, my daughter was at school and a kid went up to him and was like, your dad's never going to win a ring. So I just want to say a shout out to the 12 year olds in the phoenix area who were listening to part of my take yeah like i was like wait was that that was that the meanest thing like it sucks it sucks because no kid should be bullied especially when their dad's a fucking professional athlete but the example using just being like your dad's not gonna win a ring i yeah can you imagine if somebody came up to your son in preschool and was like your dad's never going to win an iheart media podcast he's lost seven in a row upset also shout out to chris paul for that that quote that came out um what two years ago three years ago yeah i'm kind of addicted to playing in the nba finals yeah he kicked it he should be advising john morant yeah on how to get rid of the gun addiction he just needs to go to the lakers he quit finals cold turkey yeah he needs to go to the Lakers I think let him go to the Lakers let's have fun with that it would be nice to see him there'd be a full circle moment yeah Mello comes back yeah I mean Chris Paul was supposed to be a Laker yeah people forget that David Stern said no that trade's not happening yeah we get Dwayne Wade can maybe coach the banana boat whole team the banana boat squad uh all right last things before we get to our interview uh so the little little bit of live stuff there was a report i don't know if you saw this that john rom was like about to jump to live so that would that would probably help like understand the the timeline and how quickly everything went down that's what i was saying to to dan rapaport i was like it seems like a seismic event whether that and in the back of my mind it was like scotty scheffler or john ron would be enough to make them come to the table right and because you then would have the masters winner and the pga champion so the first two majors of the year beyond live tour and then the rory's just going through it because there's reports of like live, live players being like, no one wants that bitch on our team.
I think I also read something where they basically were like, yeah, we're going to – what I was saying on Wednesday, like, they're going to find a way to make a lot of these guys not whole, but, like, pay a lot of the players. But they're like, but not Rory.
He's not getting anything. Well, so with Rory, he said he felt like a sacrificial lamb yeah he was talking media and he absolutely was yes they used rory jay monahan used him yeah so if i was rory i'd be i'd be furious i still don't see a way how how the players can look jay monahan in in the eyes as their commissioner and how he moves forward i guess it's not their call i think but if enough players make a big enough stink about i'm i'm sure they could probably figure out a way to get again i just go back to he probably is like it's you guys are gonna make more money and it's it's like it's not right it's the whole thing is fucked up on the jay monahan part i don't care about live like i did this is good for golf fans i'm happy that all the players can be competing against each other i just think jay monahan's a snake but if i had to put myself in his brain for a second he's literally just being like guys i know you're mad at me but money yeah money there's money money uh did you see the clip of bryson going on cnn oof and they asked him about 9-11 pretty much they're like what about all the stuff that the saudis did bryson kind of yada yada yada 9-11 which is the first time i think that's ever happened but he also said that he hopes that uh because the live tour and the pga are merging

that there won't be another 9-11 yeah and so shout out to bryce dechambeau him and him and mark walberg handshake meme preventing a possible 9-11 david getta all these guys just fixing the world golf music makes the world go around your your apple watch is talking again um yeah jay Monahan went on TV too, and man, that guy should never go on TV. He is – that was as uncomfortable as you could get.
And it's a – he did an interview, and he knew the question was going to happen where it's like you worked with the 9-11, like the people who – the families of 9-11 and all these people. You worked hand- with them to put out this message and then you stabbed them all in the back what are your thoughts and he just was he had nothing if you're jay monhan i go back to you can say we don't want to take their money we don't want to be in bed with a public investment fund from a state that that's had questionable activities in the past you can say that or you can do the thing that he did which was directly refer to 9-11 bring the widows and the family members out if you go that second path where you have the families and you talk about 9-11 explicitly then you can't take the money yeah you've entered them into the conversation then you cannot take the money you can always be a half snake about it and say like we don't want to do business with them their money's questionable that seems like a big headache that is not worth the juice isn't worth the squeeze at that point and then you can be a snake and end up taking the money anyways but you can't directly talk about correct terrorist attacks and what a shame it is that other guys are taking their money and use the families as props and then go behind all their backs.
Right. Jimmy Dune, who was the one of the PGA guys who got in the mix and like help make the deal happen, worked in one of the twin towers.
Wasn't there that day, but lost like his boss, his mentor, 60 coworkers only wasn't there. Cause he was trying to qualify for like the U S open or something.
He was at a, at a tournament. He just was on TV was on TV recording the afternoon, and he said on the Golf Channel, if someone can find someone who unequivocally was involved with it, I'll kill them myself.
Oh, okay. When he's asking about 9-11.
Damn, he just went dog the bounty hunter on us. I'll kill them myself.
Good for him. Okay.
All right. Well, you know how Jay Monahan said that new information has come to light? I do feel like, though, Jimmy Dune probably helped Jay Monahan.
He was like, whoa. No, he pushed it through.
Yes, that's right. And he was like, what about the 9-11 thing? He's like, well.
He's like, ah, nah, 20 years. Yeah, he's like, if anyone.
There's part of me that thinks that where it's like him saying that we can push through this with them. Yeah.
Probably made Jay Monty be like, well, you know, and it's money. Everyone he knows in nine 11.
And it's, he wants to do this. It's, it's a shitty thing, but it's also how the world works.
Money and power just run everything. Like a guy like Jimmy Dune being like, Oh, I get more power now.
And I get to be like, he's a, now a board member of the new PGA tour. And he's, he basically gets gets to do – like, he has membership to every awesome golf club, like Augusta, Shinnecock, where he shot at 72, Seminole, all these places.
He now gets even more power just by being a scumbag, and he can go to sleep at night being like, oh, yep, I have all this power. Is it Jimmy Dune or Jimmy Dunn? I don't know how to say his name, but if you look at his resume.
I'll tell you who'd be Dunn, guy who did 9-11, if Jimmy Dunn ever finds him. If he gets his hands on him.
Well, Jimmy Dunn, let me introduce you to a man named George W. Bush.
That would be an all-time twist, wouldn't it? Yeah. Jimmy Dunn goes to jail for killing George W.
Bush. If you look at Jimmy Dunn's resume or Jimmy Dune whatever his name is uh he was pretty much explicitly brought in just to close this that's what he does is he's like he's a big power financier he was brought in I think in November 2022 pretty much just to do this mission and which mission accomplished for him another uh never mind I'm not going to go down that road but it does seem that's a good point that jay monahan was like okay i've got this guy who's lived through it who's experienced some of that trauma and if he says it's okay yeah then jay monahan gets to do like some of my best friends are actually 9-11 survivors so my best friends were playing golf on 9-11 yeah so it's okay yeah uh it's i mean it's just money wins yep it's if you haven't figured that out by now you will someday money wins uh all right last thing before we get to the interview uh the vikings i don't want to take another victory lap but the vikings seem to be doing things uh like rebuilding type things where they realize hey maybe last year was a little fluky.
So they are trying to trade Dalvin Cook, probably going to cut him. And then they're also taking offers for Daniil Hunter, their pass rusher.
So smart moves by them to be like, hey, we probably can't replicate what happened last year. Maybe we should start figuring out a way to sell high on a

lot of these things and start rebuilding for the future but it it does feel exactly like that's what's going on Dalvin Cook seems to be on on the tail end of his career and it's sad to say because as a running back he was awesome what two years ago three years ago he's still he didn't have a great season last year I feel like when he plays it's just when he plays but this is also because his backup alexander madison kind of looks like him so you just yeah combine all those yards together as far as their defense goes i know i know hunter's a great player but also that defense probably can't get any worse than it was last year yeah so if it only if it gets better marginally somehow and you get a good haul back for hunter then i think that you're in a better position he was good last year he had he had a almost 1200 yards rushing maybe i'm wrong about that maybe i'm i'm thinking of of the clips that i've seen and the games that i've watched him play but it seems like he lost a little bit of explosive yeah no he had uh it was actually his second best rushing season in terms of yardage total yardage so he and he played all the games so i was wrong about that that. I guess he wasn't injured.
It feels like he always missed like two or three games. But either way, it's smart to sell on him.
They're building the team around Kirk Cousins. Yeah.
This year is the year that we find out if Kirk Cousins is elite. We're going to keep our minds open.
We absolutely are. Okay, let's get to our interview with Mike McDaniel.
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Okay, here he is, Dolphins head coach, Mike McDaniel. Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest.
It is head coach of the Miami Dolphins, Mike McDaniel. coach it has been a long time coming to have you on the show so much so i'm gonna ask you kind of an awkward first question let's get awkward okay um did you see when pft and i texted you and you just ignore it because we did text you at the combine so you ignored it yeah yeah we can pull up the thread real quick because before we started recording here you just said that we've been ducking you we were under the impression that you've been ducking us i mean there's various definitions of ducking yeah who's to say who's the death yeah we we we got your number from uh kevin Stefanski we had on the show and we shot you a text of the combine we said coach we'd love to have you on we'll do it anytime anywhere you tell us crickets crickets we're like does he hate us no it's just plain hard to get look look at what's happening right now yes it's true and this is consensual yeah so um i mean it could be true that you me.
It could not be true. I lead the league in terrible phone, I don't know, behavior.
Yeah. You know, I try to be present wherever I'm at.
There's a cost of that, and it's communicating with people that aren't around me. So, I apologize if I did, but I'm not sure if that's the case.
Okay, so I've got the text thread right here. Big Cat on Wednesday, March 1st texted you at 5.23 p.m.
Hey, Coach, it's Big Cat and PFT from Part of My Take. We're in Indy for the next couple of days and would love to have you on the show if you have a free 30 minutes.
We just wrapped up with Stefanski so he can vouch that we're not bad guys and it will be fun. Yeah.
Hope all is well. And then I waited an appropriate amount of time, an hour and a half, and then I said, love you, coach, dash PFT commenter.
Yeah, but you're not going to read the audience. The third text, the one that was at 3.30 a.m.
that said, you up? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's true.
I was getting a lot of of those that night so you might have fallen through the cracks well i i just wanted to clear up that part because when when when you were offered like yeah we've been trying to get him on forever so much so that we were harassing him on text so i'm happy that we at least have you on the show now and uh maybe you'll respond to our texts now well what about what if what if i took it a step further and said not only um you know are the doors open for this relationship to blossom but i'm a huge fan of everything you guys do and i was just trying to play hard to get hoping you guys would treat me like a hot girl yeah we got you we got it worked you look great today by the way your eyes we That Fern brings out the eyes. You shouldn't compliment me, but got you.
We got you. It worked.
You look great today, by the way. Your eyes.
We chased you.

That firm brings out the eyes.

You shouldn't compliment me, but continue to.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, it is great that you're on.

We have wanted to have you on since you got hired.

Actually, probably before that, when you were at the Niners, you were going viral.

It felt like every week.

I'll start there.

You guys didn't know who I was.

Yeah, I did.

Yeah, we did.

Yeah.

I mean, Kittle told us.

Kittle was like, this guy, Mike, he just, the way he schemes up a run game, let's start there though. Because we have always said that when the 49ers and now the Dolphins, when they run the football, there's something about it that is just so beautiful to watch.
At what point in your life did you fall in love with the run game?

I would assume you grew up watching Mike Shanahan's offense.

What point in your life were you like, the run game is it?

I love this.

Well, you know, I did have a special attachment to the run game

because of the Bronco fandom, as it were, specifically 95,

you know, when Mike Shanahan first got there and was with Terrell Davis and they, you know, there had been no championship to the city of Denver. And then on the heels of a legitimate run game, they got two Super Bowls out of it.
So there's always the seed plants um but from a career perspective it kind of happened um out of survival uh so I'm I'm coming from the UFL going to Washington working with Kyle Shanahan um again for you know I'd worked with him in Houston and I had previously trained um Matt LaFleur before I went to the UFL. And he was in Washington as the quarterback coach.
And right when I got there, so I knew him. But on top of that, there was Sean McVay.
Yeah, we're familiar. And there was a lot of competing voices.
You know, you get there in mid-February and you're in cut-ups with the whole coaching staff and you're watching all the pass game. And it's just like, you know, it was guru after guru just contributing to the conversation.
And I was like, wow, I am not the young, smart guy anymore. And then we got to the run game.
So you do it in phases. You do it like you just, you don't watch it in game or you watch like you look at all the players and all the concepts that you're using so you're watching all the pass game first then you go to the run game well the whole staff out of the whole staff the only person that was talking and um really uh orchestrating conversation with with kyle was chris furster um about the run game And so then I thought to myself, you know, I'm into having a career and eating, you know, and living in a house.
Maybe I should learn what that guy knows. And in that process there, carved a little niche that, you know, it grew on me me I didn't really know that it was going to be that strong but it it ends up it ended up becoming like a passion yeah um and I found value you know so I was able to have a job which is cool that's awesome I mean the fact that it was born out of survival which you could say for the run game you like you have to run the ball to survive in the nfl so do you still have that same passion for the run game because like we said like when when the 49ers run the ball there's something about it it's like

it's sexier than a pass than a deep pass no absolutely um probably even probably even more

so at this point you know you you take one season um and and you try to you know we're fortunate

Thank you. even probably even more so at this point you know you you take one season um and and you try to you know we're fortunate um enough to work in an industry that's thriving and there's a lot of people that care about football um and so you can be like oh is he a is he a pass guy i'm still the same exact exact enthusiast um you just it one of the reasons it's so cool is because you just don't for it to look that way.
You just don't. We'll say, I don't know.
Poop. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Poop it out.
Yeah. Yeah.
But like it takes so much deliberate work. and the reason why it looks different is because you're also coaching players to do stuff differently so that you know that's why it looks and that's hard and there's there's also you know the element of players getting used to it players trusting that leap of faith um there's it's a lot of work that you can't um short change i don't think there's been one you know this is the 17th team that i've that i've worked on in the nfl um so it's the sixth time that you know it's all been in the same offense It's the sixth time that we've taken an offense somewhere, you know, from my experience.
And, you know, that's generally, I don't think there's like one year that we, you know, just ran the ball at will. It takes time.
So it's something that we've put a huge emphasis on. And, you know, I think the reason why it's so cool to you is because there's no shortcut to getting that done.
It's just time and effort and commitment and conviction. It is beautiful.
I mean, some of the seven-yard runs that you've had in the last couple years have just been the most fun plays to watch. I also love how you respect theback position you've got a great fullback and alec ingold one of our favorites badger badger yeah yeah he is a supremely underrated um player in the national football league that i hope gains some momentum because he is a man he's a good player he's awesome we had to have a word with him a couple years ago because he was starting to do the thing that players do now where they jump over tacklers and they try to hurt him.
Oh, yeah, the thing, yeah. You know that thing.
You set him down? Yeah, you're a fullback. Lower your shoulder.
You don't go over people. You go through people.
And he seems to have really turned the corner after that tough move. Dude, how hype do you get every time he runs somebody over? Very hype.
Yeah, I nut. I made him do that, guys.
Yeah, it's pretty pretty nice but uh yeah like when you watch your run game it almost seems like you make the wide receivers the fullbacks and the tight ends all play like offensive linemen and block like offensive linemen you know shout out this seed was planted in 2005 um my first year as a coaching intern in Denver. And shout out to Mike Shanahan because he set the whole vision.
And it was genius about him. So, you know, it's a wide receiver position is tricky in general because you get compensated for the pass game.
And typically, um you know good football players have pride and they and they try to do it but the bottom line is it's not like well let's go pay this guy because he's got sick blocks right you know so how do you um incentivize guys to participate in you know something, something that's, you know, less dividend paying directly as, you know, catching a pass. And what, what coach Shanahan would do was he would meet with, he would watch Thursday's practice, the team run period, which, you know, everybody does around the league in some way, shape or form, but he would watch that portion of practice as an entire offense on Friday with the thinking that the best way to motivate receivers to take pride and detail in the run game, the best way to really emphasize that it takes all 11 players on the field to run the ball well is to have them all watch that together.
And it's the peer pressure from the locker room, guys saying, dude, you're just going to loaf and let me get tattooed by a strong safety. Like that was his kind of way of really emphasizing and getting that done.
And that, you know, every place we've been, we've kind of taken that. And it's something that you just can't relent on.
Your offensive coordinator has to be fully committed to it. The receiver coach has to be willing to drive it home unbeknownst to most people.
Um, Wes Welker is like a, uh, low key run game guy and just loves receiver blocks more than anything. Um, so all that had, you know, for it to look different, you have to approach it different and, um, you, you.
Not many people have described run game as beautiful, so I really appreciate that. I've described it, and my wife looks at me like I'm a weirdo.
Yeah. Well, no, we love watching that.
I'm glad that you brought it up earlier. You mentioned that Washington Redskins team.
It's not like I don't think about that every single day, about how we had you, Shanahan, LaFleur, and Sean McVay in the same room as coaches. Which one of you four was the alpha in that situation? I mean, clearly the most physically imposing.
You. Right.
Yeah. Um, no, I mean, we were most physically imposing you.

Right. Yeah.
No, we were all it was such a cool environment because.

You know, Kyle was so young as a coordinator, he got started at 28 and he made sure when he got the job that his it was because of his football acumen and not his last name he was very he was as prepared as a young coach as there ever could be and we were all very very ambitious and he was eager to teach and it was his vision,

him along with his father that was like, you know what,

who cares about the norms let's get,

let's develop some coaches, um, and find some talented ones and, and, and really not, you know,

cause they got a bunch of heat from the Washington post at the time that called us the fun bunch and had pictures of us and just kind of, you know, because we were very young. But he he wouldn't he had that vision and we were just all pumped to see how good we could get in our time together.
So Kyle was definitely the alpha um and then it was just like uh who can uh wow the boss the most yeah this cool idea and it it made it you know you didn't really get a coast at all yeah because you coast for a second and you look over your shoulder and one of your peers um is giving three great ideas to uh to kyle and his dad so yeah yeah a lot of great minds in that room for sure now um big cat do you want to ask the question about oh yeah we do have a hypothetical it's not about i mean sorry uh the question not about matt it's just a hypothetical football question we ask this on every football coach um all right so you're down eight there is

uh two minutes left in the game you have all three timeouts uh you're on for fourth and goal on the like seven or eight yard line yeah do you kick a field goal or do you go for the touchdown You're down eight.

Well, if, I mean, in theory.

This is hypothetical.

This is hypothetical and let's say hypothetically to the team that you're playing against has the greatest quarterback of all time on the other sideline uh-huh and then i guess it's the semantics is it a elimination game it's an elimination elimination game. Get out the golf clubs.

You know, I think I'd take a knee.

Okay, all right.

Good answer.

Yeah, that would definitely screw them up.

You know, the funny thing, I think I felt for Matt because I knew.

Wait, what?

He knew exactly what he was doing. And any time you make any decision as a coach, it'd be a farce to not submit to the fact that I don't know what's going to work.
If I knew that, I would do that all the time. So you have to make a calculated decision that you feel good with i talked to man after the game um you know we talked through if there were some disparities in thought process but he knew why he was doing it so you know it's just one of those deals that um if you're right you're the man and if you're wrong yeah if you wrong, it gets brought up on part of my take for the rest of history.
For the rest of history. And what's ironic is you continue to do that.
And because Matt LaFleur is one of the greatest guys I know. All he does is needle me and text me about how I need to come on your guys' show.
Yeah. So, I mean, we love Matt LaFleur.
Question off that. What a good looking guy, that what a good looking guy right the best looking guy the best looking guy he's the best looking and i'll say this because i know sean mcveigh would get upset but he's he's of the of the fun bunch of that group he's by far the best looking guy not even close you haven't seen me with my shirt off that's true but i'm still taking matt lafleur i didn't change the ranking yeah it's just true true um all right so based off that real football question off that uh when it comes to those type of decisions on the sidelines how many guys are in your ear how what's the process that goes through those split second decisions of go for it don't um i know that you have a chart but is it like you're going with the charter? Is there some gut involved as well? No, there, there's a lot of that for me.
Um, you know, I think it's so important to be, um, super prepared for any game because what I don't want to happen is ever to, to look in hindsight at a decision and be like, well, that was influenced by emotion. So I'm as prepared as I can possibly be for the opponent and understand that my best will either be good enough or it won't in terms of my contribution, but the team, the players on the field are going to determine the outcome.
So that being said, that preparation also goes to the people that you lean on, you know, in your analytics department for all the game type scenarios. That's something that every, every Thursday during the week for like the last hour and a half of my workday, I meet with those guys.
And basically every headset's different. The procedure that kind of happens on ours in particular is I'm just very – I make sure that I don't negatively reinforce information on game day.
So I let people know that I'm very open to taking any information that's legitimate. Having said that, they kind of get a rhythm of like, you know, there's a certain tempo when you know exactly where you're going with certain things certain things that you'll be talking on the headset, like coaches won't jump in with, uh, play suggestions or anything.
They just let you roll. Um, same thing goes with, with the analytics, analytics advisors is they're talking to me when, you know, as we've mapped out potential scenarios, when it's appropriate to get me the information yeah so i look at that as all tools i think the whole point of having a head coach is so that someone can make a decision and i look at it as my just my job to take all the information from all the talented people that i work with and make a decision and let the players um let me know if that was the right or wrong decision that's smart i.
I mean, I would, I would just be like, fuck you, dude. Why'd you tell me that it didn't work over and over? And, and like, it's not like I just overnight, this is something that I've been thinking about, you know, if I were to be in the, in, in the chair, making the decisions I've been thinking about throughout my career.
And it's something that you have to be very mindful of because you have to understand that

no one wants to talk out loud and hurt the team's chances of winning a football game on game day.

Everyone, all their, they're all have the same thing at stake in terms of, you know, you win more football games than you lose, you're employed. So let's win the game.
So no one wants to do that. And, you know, I find that if you just – if you can just say nothing and move on, guys get pretty embarrassed, but you don't – they still try to come to the plate.
Yeah. And you just don't want to engender a situation where it's like, yeah, I wanted to say something, but I didn't know if you'd yell at me.
Like, so it, even when I'm frustrated, I try to do my best to understand the circumstances that they're operating in. That's a very smart answer.
I would coach pretty much based on vibes entirely. Just vibe it, bro.
Yeah, just vibe it. Just go out there.
If it's late November, it's 23 degrees in Buffalo, and you're wearing the teal uniforms, I'd be like, we're looking kind of candy-ass today. We're not going to be able to run the ball.
We might as well just try passing forth. Do you ever look at the teal uniforms i'd be like we're looking kind of candy ass today we're not going to be able to run the ball we might as well just try pass and forth that do you ever look at the at the teal uniforms in cold weather and be like you know what this isn't this isn't running the football uniforms i mean it's generally how i base all my decisions on our inconsequential consequential factors um the i i i think, you've really got my brain turning.
Yeah. No, they're candy ass.
You guys can't win in the cold. I think that they're great for September and October when it's hot outside, but then once it gets, the weather starts turning, you get sleet, freezing rain, the kind of candy has to be wearing those seals.
And Dolphins players look colder in those uniforms. See, but I think I found the root of the problem.
Okay. You guys have, who's your uniform distributor? I don't know who it is.
Okay. Real back.
Our actual uniforms are aqua color, not teal. So you've probably been seeing teal and been like, those are candy.
Really, aqua strikes fear in the heart of every man. I mean, that's just, now we're just talking facts.
Yeah. I see candy for every color, but yeah, sure.
That's a valid point, though. You know what's cool about the, when I got the job, this was like, I'd been in six divisions.
I'd never been to the AFC East. I didn't really know that much about the Dolphins relative to, you know, the way I know the rest of the league.
I kind of thought, I assumed that the fan base had to be kind of like, I don't know, maybe like a Southern California or something where, you know, there's a lot of things to do. So, you know, they're distracted and maybe they'll be around for when you're winning.
This, this is, that was not the case. This fan base was just like a sleeping giant that, you know, haven't won a playoff game and now 24 years.
but it's really the fan base and kind of like the appreciation of history where, you know, I'm kind of digging the aqua now. Yeah.
Where before I was like, huh. But I kind of, there's so much history tied to it.
You know, those 70s teams were impactful and kind of changed the whole subculture of South Florida sports. This is unbeknownst to me.
How I've learned so much in one year, guys. Yeah.
But so, you know, I think the fan base and the players, they're into it. So judge it until we do something about it.

Maybe we'll get you an aqua jersey.

They do.

The players look faster in the aqua.

That's for sure.

Do you ever just go out on the practice field and you're like,

hey, Tyreek, can you just run some routes just so I can watch how fast you are?

Yeah, you know, I mean, when you got it, why not?

He's in the building and he's really good at running routes very fast and it's really fun to watch.

However, I don't try.

I try not to make him do unnecessary stuff, you know, to I want to keep fast, fast. But he, I have to tell you, in person, aqua, white, green, red, fuchsia.

Dude looks fast in any color. Yeah, I believe that.
I believe that. So based on the wide receivers, I had a question about Andrew Hawkins had a quote talking about you as a coach and how when you came in, he was essentially like he told us, throw out everything you know.
I'm going to teach you something different how how does that go when you have those first meetings has it been like hard in your career to get guys to buy in right away knowing like hey I'm going to do something totally different like you just have to trust me because I'm always fascinated with that with coaches where if you don't have the Super Bowl rings like Belichick to get guys to buy into a different system than what they know has to be a little bit daunting for like day one. Yeah, you know, you hit the nail on the head.
That's a problem that I recognized. Literally my first full-time paying job in the NFL was 2006, and I was an offensive assistant.
And Andre Johnson was a 25-year-old ascending superstar. And yet you want to add value, but how is that guy going to listen to this guy? Right.
That's something that, and so I had to figure it out and it was pretty, pretty quick that I realized, oh wow. On the professional level, like these guys want to make the most money they can.
They want to be the best they can.

There's a lot of pressure on them. And basically anybody that can help them do that, they'll listen to.
So the objective was not to like, it's one of my favorite parts of this job is I fully know that my job is to exceed the eye test expectations when I first meet people. Like I have to earn their listening.
And, you know, when you really think about it,

should you desire to be entitled to people just assuming you know what you're talking about?

It's not the worst thing in the world to have to earn their listening and earn their trust. So to do that, it takes an annoying amount of preparation for those first meetings specifically.
Yeah. Because you have to forecast, okay, I'm going to say this.
Now, what will be the natural inclination of the listener, of the player? What are their experiences? What's going to be the resistance? How do I get in front of the rebuttal that they may voice, they may not, but how do I get in front of that and basically tell a story of whatever I'm pitching to them and make sure that it's very tight just because I, you're exactly right. The eye test on top of the fact that I'm approaching it differently.
Um, it's not going to be a, you know, generally different, makes people uncomfortable. Um, and so people want to be comfortable and you just really relying on that known fact that, Hey, all players, if you can be of resource to them, don't care what it looks like.
Relying on that, you know, allows, allows you to go bold that way. Yeah.
I've got an alternate method that maybe you could try is just bring back the two-earring look that you had. You remember that? There's that screenshot of you on, I think it's Channel 9 News in Denver.
It says, Michael McDaniel, Bronco's ball boy. You've got the two big hoop earrings.
You wear those into a meeting and you get instant respect because you're like, this guy's going to steal my girl. Right.
Or like, you know, does he have any financial advice? He looks responsible. You know, multitude of things that are going through their heads.
You know, so many adults tell you, oh, you're going to regret that. And you're like, at that age, you're like, and then at some point that falls out of fashion.
Yes. kind of laughing at yourself i think it's a good look i think you bring it back maybe if you win a super bowl you can get away with anything if you win a super bowl yeah i could you think i could wear clogs on the sidelines yeah yeah definitely if you win a super bowl the dream yeah go barefoot on the sideline um you definitely one one with the earth i like that yeah i got a couple

two of questions uh the first is we're part of two and on we have two two two questions we're

part of two and on we're believers why is it do you think that two gets criticized more than like

the average quarterback it's it's kind of a bizarre uh situation is it is there anything

that you can put your finger on it's like guys just don't for some reason like the the prognostic

Thank you. It's kind of a bizarre situation.
Is there anything that you can put your finger on? It's like guys just don't, for some reason, like the prognosticators and the analysts don't see what I'm seeing. Like what, it is a little, he gets talked about differently and more than most quarterbacks.
No, there's a couple things going on, I think, because I've wondered the same thing in terms of the polarization of people.

A lot of people have strong opinions either way.

I think the starting point is he is different.

Different kind of makes people uncomfortable.

I'm not sure if you guys noticed, he throws with his left hand. Yes.
Right. Yes.
One, which is crazy because he's right handed, but he just learned how to throw left on instruction by his father. So that's a little caveat.
That's one. I think, you know, throughout the history of time, people have shunned others when they can't pronounce their last names.
And there's a lot of letters. That's true.
A lot of vowels. That's true.
I hate Coach K. But to be – see? Yeah.
I knew it was there. Yeah.
So many consonants. I mean, geez, dude.
It's obnoxious. Right.
What are you trying to prove? But also, like, I think any time there's also a lot of conviction. And when there's a lot of conviction with people and they're over the top about it, people tend to speak up more in the negative.
And then once you dig your heels in now, all of a sudden, you years down the road you're you're you have uh what are those dolls that voodoo dolls yeah voodoo to a because he's the bane of your existence why because you said you didn't like him one time and are tripling down so who knows all i know um is you know i i think think I feel great about the guy. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm with you guys.
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And now here's more Mike McDaniel. You've done a very good job of like supporting him.
And I've noticed that because it is there's sometimes coaches will just be like, oh, open a competition. And then my other question was the famous story about after one of his concussions on the plane, you guys talked and then he pulled up MacGruber and you laughed.
Now, did you laugh because he was watching MacGruber? Like the idea of it? Like he thinks this is a good movie. Ha ha.
What an idiot. Or were you actually laughing at MacGruber? I mean, it happens to be like my favorite show of all time.
Okay. My favorite movie of all time.
Okay. Red flag.
No, I like MacGruber. But favorite of all time? It's an excellent film.
Of all time. I mean, I say it in jest.
no i like mcgruber but favorite of all time excellent film of all time it's i mean

i say it in jest i really like the movie okay there's probably some emotional uh uh movement that some deeper you know um shawshank redemption or something would bring out but it's up there for me because I thought it was so aggressively ahead of its time for 2010.

And Will Forte makes me laugh.

So he was watching the movie because I can't remember how it came up.

But I put him up to watch it.

And most of the time, you know, I pitched that movie.

It falls on deaf ears.

No one follows up with it. And he had it downloaded loaded before that week of travel was and was prepared to watch it.
And I was dying laughing because whatever judgment. I just didn't really

realize that his sense of humor

would be directly

correlated with with mine you know we have different styles and whatever so i got a huge kick out of him thinking it was this hilarious decided so you basically waited you were like mcgruber's my favorite movie i'm trying to get everyone on the dolphins to watch it then you waited for Tua to be concussed to convince him to watch it. Do I have that right? Like, oh, here we go.
I got him now. This was, this was, it was stream of consciousness.
Randomly came up in a conversation. I probably dropped a weird quote.
And, you know, whether or not it influenced his opinion on the movie you know that's that's for him to tell us yeah yeah i mean it was i tried to show it realistically i just tried to show it the night before every game and it just fell on deaf ears your pump up movie for everybody yeah have you tried to have you tried to get buffalo uh have you tried to convince vic fangio to watch it i'm sure he loved it no i mean vic all vic does is bring it up like without without me just i'm not even offering anything up he's just like hey man so when's the last time you've seen mcgruber special cut um no uh it's not quite the audience that i'd shoot for yeah yeah i would

say so that's got to be i mean vic vanjo is an incredible incredible defensive coordinator

are do you guys have you had like dinner with him do you guys have a lot in common other than

football yeah it is outstanding i i i very much love uh just i i think it's so cool how there are things that we have a lot in common with. There's a lot in common just how we look at the game.
And then there's things like our personalities and our default mechanisms are way different. Yeah.
Which to me, I don't want if I had a bunch of Mike McDaniels running around here, people would figure out that it's not that cool. So I think that balance serves a great purpose.
but the bottom line is, you know, I think he's as good as it gets as football coaches in the National Football League. So, I mean, you know, I'm still fired up that I tricked him to come here.
Yeah. I mean, it's going to be weird after all these years with Denver and with Chicago, seeing him in a super warm climate all the time.
Yeah. It's going to be really strict.
You're going back to the aqua thing, weren't you? Yeah, no, but he probably hates it. He's got that big Gore-Tex jacket that he's had basically sewn on his body for the last 10 years.
Yeah, but then all of a sudden, Vic Fangio with Mike McDaniel, now he's buying aqua-colored cars. Yeah.
I didn't know that because it's not true. I have another Miami-related question for you because you've been seeing courtside with all the big celebs down in South Beach at the Heat games.
Now they're playing against the Nuggets in the finals.

You're a Denver boy.

Who are you rooting for in the finals?

No, this is easy.

I feel great about it.

They're my two favorite teams in basketball.

It's really, you know, you become a professional football coach,

and you kind of, like like i could care less about

the broncos after i stopped working for them because it's the business you're in right but i always stayed true and followed the nuggets and um you know i have been had had my heart break in the bubble when jamal murray went down etc etc but i i i don't lose any sleep um whatsoever to to pledge my allegiance to the Miami heat because, um, you know,

we had the fortune of having the Miami Heat coaches to training camp last year and, you know, spent way more time than they needed to give me talking with all of them and just hearing their problems of that offseason that they were trying to solve. That, you know, in their opinion, they had a lot of good players and their biggest problem was trying to involve everyone because they were so deep while trying to develop them.
And this was very different from the narrative that I heard from the rest of America. It was like, yeah, there's one star.
And what are these guys names? So I've been paying attention all year. And then, you know, I've been fortunate enough to have tickets thrown my way.
And you better believe I jumped on that. That's added to the whole deal, but I feel very personally invested into their whole, into their whole movement.
Because even beyond that, it speaks so much to what, you know, I believe in, in team sports. The team playing in the finals was last in the league in scoring.
That team was negative point differential for the NBA regular season. It's the first time that a team that had negative point differential ended up in the finals since, you guys remember, Minneapolis Lakers 1959.
Yeah, of course. Don't forget.
The stuff that they're overcoming, the injuries that they've persevered through, and really the way they approach coaching and the whole program in general, getting firsthand exposure. I'm too deep, man.
Too deep. Yeah.
All right. Turn your back on.
Regardless, it's good ball good ball and um you know it's not that heartbreaking to be like yeah i want the heat to win um you know the nuggets have never been in the finals accomplished a lot this season um joe kick's not going anywhere not gonna lose any sleep all right yeah all right that's fine uh can i once you guys yeah can i can i give you uh one piece of advice in coaching now i've never told this to any other sleep. All right.
Yeah. All right.
That's fine. Can I give you one piece of advice in coaching?

Now, I've never told this to any other coach.

I've been waiting for you to come on the show.

This is going to be good.

Because I've got a wrinkle that I think could revolutionize offensive football.

All right.

So I come from a rugby background.

I played rugby in college.

I played for about 10 years in men's league afterwards. Whoa.
And, yeah pretty sick brag. A lot of rugby.
A lot of rugby. I wasn't very good, but I picked up enough about the sport to realize that if an NFL coach incorporates designed downfield laterals more frequently, they have the opportunity to break out big chunk plays on a basis that I think the risk outweighs the reward if it's coached correctly and if it's taught correctly with the right technique of going into contact and then pitching backwards to a guy that you know is going to be there.
Now, I waited to tell this to you and you only because I think that you are the mind that could actually get this done in the NFL. And I'm telling you, the sky is the limit.
If you could figure out a way to do this, like maybe three, three times a game, two, three times a game, that's really all it would take to have those make a difference. Well, see, the best part of the whole scenario is, is there are some people that have simultaneously developed the same thought.
It has worked its way into the league. There's a couple of teams that I've seen do it this past season, but strike that from the record because this is the first conversation that's ever been had about it.
So when we copy other teams, I would love the credit. Yeah.
Okay. You get it.
You get it. And I get the credit too.
But it's out there. What you're saying is not that outside the box.
You just have to have the right known scenario. And you know what? You have to have a receiver with a lot of composure and ball skills to be able.
But there's some traction.

The way teams pursue and compress tackle in the league,

you'll get people to overplay and could, you know.

We tried it once against the Chargers.

We pretended to unintentionally fumble,

and Tyreek just picked it up and took it to the house.

Yeah, that was smart.

That was a ground lateral, as they call it.

Same thing, yeah. You'll look like a genius if you start working this into the offense and then you guys will pump that narrative yeah and i know how big your guys's audience is so and then watch this watch this after you start doing that then teams they stop over pursuing and they spread out too much and then boom that's that's a one break tackle away from taking it to the house without even pitching it.
Now normal balls, explosive and unguardable. Yeah.
I see what you're doing there. Yeah.
I got a couple last questions. The first one, I don't know if you've been asked this before, but were you vaping on the sideline in Buffalo? What? You were vaping on the sideline.
Vaping? Yeah, there was a clip of you. Like water vape? You went with your hand to your mouth, and it looked like you were vaping.
Were you vaping? Hmm. I mean, what a confusing question.
I don't know this technology you guys speak of. Having said that, I will leave you with this uh in past lives i have vapes okay um the idea of regardless just the idea of that being something that people are talking about after a playoff game is annoying enough to provoke me to never do it again.
And I've since quit. That's a McDonald's style.
Classic McDonald's style, cold turkey, just like alcohol. But I, you know, as far as a game, I, you know, I'm sorry.
I wish I was better schooled on the subject subject i just don't totally know what you guys are talking about yeah it's crazy people would even assume that um all right so i had one last question it's a roback question r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com use code take for 20 off your first purchase q-zips polos hoodies joggers shorts roback.com promo code take 20 off your first purchase i last I last year, and this is also, I'll, I'll admit, um, I've been emotionally damaged, uh, by the Chicago bears. But I think I said before the season that you were giving me Mark Trestman vibes.
And, uh, I was like, when the it's good, when it's good. And then if it starts to go bad, will guys still listen listen you had a season where you proved that like you can do it you you went through the ups and downs you went through some losing streaks when you were going through that losing streak did you have at any point like a mini crisis of confidence like shit this is this is different than than when i'm the head guy here well first of all um the whole reason we were in the losing streak was because I heard those comments and there's only one way to prove that I'm not um a little adversity self-inflicted adversity yeah so really that was um so here's the thing I know about coaching in the National Football League.
You won't always win. And when you don't, it's very, very black and white.
You lose, you suck. You win, you're awesome.
Okay? So one of the biggest, I don't know, things that I was looking forward to, ironically, was I knew that is something that happens every year to multiple teams and you go one or two directions. So I looked at that as like, this isn't negative.
This is actually when people need a coach.

Yeah. Like this is the most important time.
This is when you, you are actually most doing your job. Um, so it was, I was very, very motivated.
Uh, it, you know, it's not necessarily fun. Um, but to say that I, like, I, I didn't, it was when not if like that, that is something that I think that I think people have this misnomer in, in expectations of, you know, whether you're in professional sports or a football coach or just a, a regular average Joe, as it were,

like these expectations of a boy. football coach or just a regular average Joe, as it were,

like these expectations of avoiding adversities is what it,

it can be catastrophic because adversity will happen. Yeah.

Get your mind around that. There will be losing streaks and the competitor in the,

the flame was lit in that that's a hard thing to do is to pull your

Thank you. that there will be losing streaks and the competitor in me, the flame was lit in that.
That's a hard thing to do is to pull yourself out of it. Would have liked to pull ourselves out of it quicker.
Circumstances didn't allow it. But to me, I see those hard moments is when I'm earning my check.
Yeah, it's a good answer. And it's why I changed my tune.
I was like, look, cause it, you you know it worked the first couple of months and then you hit that rut and you guys still got to the playoffs and righted the ship it will always be the case and i'll never be surprised by it it's um uh it's been right there in front of me in my entire career um i no one's going to give me anything. No one's going to, you know, I have to earn it.
And what other way would I want to? So it was going to be, can he lead a team? Can he stand up in front of the room? Then after that, it's going to be, okay, well, he can get him to play hard. Can he win football games? Then it's going to be, all right, can he pull people out of losing streaks? Then it's going to be, can he do anything in the playoffs? Then it's going to be, it's going to be retroactive, not proactive.
And that doesn't bother me. I understand that.
This is this just in if you um approach things uh in sort of a different manner there's no other i wouldn't expect it to be any other way yeah so um have to prove myself to to earn your faith and what a way would i want he he kind of every Monday episode a part of my take with when you win you're awesome when you lose you suck because that's pretty much our analysis that's not an indictment here's the thing you cannot win and lose at the same time Trent Dilfer said that yeah that's true that's facts in the National Football League bam, there's a lot of people that are heavily

invested. I know this, when I watch sports

and the only time I'm

nervous in sports is when it's another

sport and I care about

the outcome. Okay?

It is gut-wrenching

to invest emotionally

into something, have no

control over it, and that

motivates and elicits emotion. There's also a lot of economic factors.
This is a huge business, and there's fantasy football galore. There's so many people.
And so I take it as like people care. Yeah.
So they're going to be happy, and there's too many compounding so you know i probably get too much credit um when we win and you know i'm going to get um you know called into question um like but i don't look at the job as like i'm entitled to people just you know what know, what, just believe in me. It's a result business.
And, um, people, once you're around, if you're getting the results they want, and it doesn't, it doesn't bother me at all. It's, it's very, I don't know.
I can understand it. Um, wouldn't expect anything less.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, that's gotta be a very strange part about being a coach is you try to tune everything out, but you can't listen to the radio because there's going to be some talking about you at the radio. You can't open up a newspaper because someone's going to be talking about you in the newspaper or on any of your favorite websites.
Are you able to actually like tune everything out or does some of that, if it's criticism, if it's praise, is it inevitable in this day and age that any coach is going to be absorbing some kind of his press clippings no i think it's um when like for example if we lose a game i already know so i know exactly what's coming i don't know the details um but there's people that are employed to to do that. And so, you know, when I'm, you know,

getting don't know the details um but there's people that are employed to um to do that and so you know when

i'm uh you know getting ready for a press conference i'm made aware of certain things that will probably come up and a lot of that can be negative um but like i've always recognized that as an issue and this just just in, like, I spent my whole career preparing to be able to do the job of a head coach, not becoming a head coach. In that process, you have to kind of problem solve that.
And like, whoa, this is hard. get i mean there's countless times that i've seen really get good coaches get unnecessarily blasted for results that they only have part control in um but that's kind of what you're paid to do you know you so somebody's got to be held accountable for things.
So the managed expectations, you know,

I think I'm very comfortable with what to expect.

The pattern is like crystal clear.

Yeah.

Like literally it is like the, I've been on teams.

I mean, shoot, in 2001, it might've been in San Francisco,

might've been one of the best coaching jobs that I've seen anyone do that

Thank you. I mean, shoot, in 2001, it might have been in San Francisco, might have been one of the best coaching jobs that I've seen anyone do that Kyle Shanahan did.
He was getting blasted. People were begging for his job at week five or whenever.
Whenever we were like two and week seven, we were like two and five or something. Can't remember.
So that, that why, because people, there's a lot of things going on. There's a lot of variables that are compounding.
And the only thing that you can directly attribute a lot of times is the actual outcome. Yeah.
This, this is all very, it's very smart things that you're saying. It's, and you're convincing me right now that you definitely have a fire burner account on yeah i'm sure i'm sure you're getting some takes off like because you're handling it all very emotionally healthily i think but you got to get those takes off no you i definitely don't have a twitter account but my my wife definitely does.
Oh, nice.

She gets him off.

So when things either way get really over the top, I mean, it's she tries not to say something to me, but she just wears it on her sleeve because she cares so much. there's I mean I think it's the weirdest

it's got to be such a tough position

for her because

like you know she

she in her mind's building me up. And then all of a sudden, you know, people are, you know, I'm not sure if you guys paid attention to the news, but there was on several occasions people gave it to me last year.
And that's what I, I'm very comfortable with that. That's part of the responsibility of the job.
And like, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. Like it's a really cool job.
There has to be some give and that's, that's one of them. But for loved ones and stuff, that's where it's the toughest because they have no control over it.

It's really weird, too.

Like, I went zero to 60.

I was under the radar in the NFL for 15 years. No one talked about me.
And then all of a sudden, all sorts of people have opinions. It's a transition.
but I think

you have to be prepared

for that going into the job

because

I But I think you have to be prepared for that going into the job because I am ambitious and I have high expectations. But I was pretty sure I was going to break Don Shula's record year one.
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Yeah. We will say all the mean stuff, but we'll also add in one nice thing that guess what you guys are employed to have opinions.
and in an indirect way, you guys are part of my paycheck. Yep.
And yes, don't forget that. Don't forget that.
No, it's something that so that it really when you say disparaging things about my character and my personality, you know, I'll just let it roll right off. It's part of the deal.
I know it's coming. We'll just add one nice thing.
You say to me, hey, don't lose then. We're also never wrong with our analysis.
We've never been wrong. Daniel should have run the damn ball.
That's what we say. right.
Well, sometimes I do get confused. I do need reminders.
Do the plays that work. Yeah.
Run the touchdown play. Tyreek fast.
Yes. Boom.
Listen, run the touchdown play is undefeated. Shots.
Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. Dude, I was just saying the same thing.
Yeah, and score more points than the opponent.

Yep.

It's pretty simple.

It's not rocking plants.

Yeah.

Run the ball.

Stop the run.

Heat up the quarterback.

We know, Paul.

Run the jewels.

J-U-U-L-S.

Yeah, I forgot the rapper's names.

No, I'm just a big Mike guy.

Yeah. You are a big Mike guy.
Killer Mike. Killer Mike.
There it is. See, I'm getting old.
That's the band, Run the Jewels. Yep.
Wait, you can't say you're getting old. Killer Mike and LP, right? That's right.
Do you have any- That's what I'm talking about. You're the same age as us.
Don't say you're getting old. Well, see, everyone's getting older, my friends.
Not me. I mean, I live out my age progressively younger every year.
I'm 26 now. Yeah.
You get ID'd at bars? All the time, yeah. You're like, ma'am, I'm going to need to see a picture.
And how dare you wear that? Coach, thank you. it had been a long time coming really appreciate you

coming on and uh hopefully you're a recurring guest now so whenever we ask you to come on you have to come on that's by contract but you did get two free subscriptions a part of my take so we're good well worth it no it was uh it was honestly awesome you guys do a tremendous, have carved out a really cool fixture in a market that didn't really exist. You guys kind of kicked the door in.
So I'm very appreciative of your patience and your understanding of my terrible, terrible phone manners. Yeah, I just texted you just now.
I said, don don't ignore our text so now you have our numbers um i just text back new number who dis lose my number yeah all right well thanks so much coach mike mcdaniel fittingly was brought to you by three chi of all the things in life one of the best has to be getting high whenever you want, wherever you want, without the paranoia of consuming sketchy black market bunk. And the best way to do that is with 3C.
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I just tweeted out the link. I just donated.
So if you could donate even a couple bucks, I know he provided me with a lot of content and laughs over the years. So we had taped Mike McDaniel before this had occurred.
We probably would have brought it up with him. But if you can donate, please do.
do uh seem like a great guy and he made a ton of funny content that makes the nfl that's why we watch the nfl for the storylines and the fans and everyone involved guys like that on twitter make the nfl a better a better product yes better sports watch they make sports fun yeah he made sports fun um so shout out to him sorry very sorry for his family and the loss that they're going through but yeah it's a good cost to donate and to a donated 10 grand so that's awesome that's he's the man so um yeah so if you can please do uh let's do before we do fire fest we got 38 at the garden you can only watch it on max max.com we're doing reviews every friday for the next six weeks we did or we did succession finale we did blood sport great movie 38 at the garden right now next week we're doing man on fire denzel washington hank has not seen it before it is an awesome awesome denzel movie jake yeah that was good yeah come on jake i didn't know you like to get wet um 38 at the Garden. I liked it.
First off the bat, it was nice to click into it, and it's 38 minutes. 38 minutes, which they did on purpose, I think.
That was a delight. It was beautiful.
Yeah, it's a quick watch. Lynn Sanity, the crazy, crazy stretch, which looking back really was insane.
Like the fact that he went from sleeping on a couch to dropping 38 on the Lakers and Kobe and that whole stretch and then that I completely had forgotten about the after the 38 at the garden against the Lakers the game winner against the Raptors that and I I didn't believe it when I was watching the documentary so I went back and I watched the final possession I have never seen anything like that where the entire crowd went crazy for him.

He was in Toronto and he,

he hit a buzzer beater against the Raptors and the whole crowd went nuts

for him.

Yeah,

it was wild.

So he,

when he,

when he got called to the Knicks after he got cut by,

you got,

I'm trying to remember the teams that,

that next was the Warriors,

Warriors,

the Warriors signed him initially because their GM had seen him play with

the GM son and AAU.

Yeah.

Like this kid can play.

It was the Rockets.

I believe he didn't get a chance with the,

Thank you. The Warriors signed him initially because their GM had seen him play with the GM's son in AAU.
Like, this kid can play. It was the Rockets, I believe.
He didn't get a chance with the Warriors, didn't get a chance with the Rockets. And then he gets to the Knicks, kind of his last chance.
And he doesn't even have a place to stay. So he's staying at his family member's couch.
Like, he's literally living. His brother.
His brother's couch, living on a couch in New York City. And playing for the Knicks, trying to get a fair shake of it.
And then his brother's like, well, I've got some friends coming into town, so sorry, you can't stay on my couch anymore. So his brother kicks him off the couch, and then he has to stay with his teammate on his couch.
Landry Fields. Landry Fields.
Stays at Landry Fields' place, and then D'Antoni's like, well, we don't have any more players to put in. Everybody's injured.

I guess we'll give Jeremy a shot.

And then he gets in the game.

First of all, Tyson Chandler, when he starts playing alongside him on the Knicks, doesn't

even recognize him as a teammate.

I love that story.

They run into each other on the floor of their hotel room.

And Tyson Chandler thinks that he's a fan.

And he's like, I don't know how they're letting fans like security probably fucked up. Cause this guy's not like, I don't know who he is.
Tall ass fan. Tall six, three.
Yeah. Three.
Yeah. And so, so Lynn finally gets a shot.
And then as he's staying on Landry Fields couch, he just goes on this insane run. And now he's set for life.
It's crazy. Like the sliding doors moment involved with Jeremy Lin.
He was at the right the right place the right time and he took advantage of it i did like when uh they were talking about him sleeping on a couch and they were doing interviews with uh different players from the team and iman shumpert was doing his interview from his movie theater that was pretty nice touch uh but yeah the whole story's nuts it also was cool hey newsflash we're white guys so we don't think about it the same way and watching a lot of the interviews of Asian Americans being like we've never seen this like we never had someone to look who looks like us playing in the NBA and to have him do it in New York in that stretch where he was just out of this world good it's a it's a cool story that like we shouldn't I remember living in it and being like this is insane when is he going to stop I also like his name was so perfect for Lynn Sanity was such a cool thing to say but yeah he ended up making 65 million dollars good for him 65 million dollars off sleeping on a couch and having and the best part of the whole story was he won a ring he won a ring he won ring with the Raptors. His agent telling him after he's sleeping on his brother's couch and he knows he's going to play that night because there's so many injuries, his agent being like, hey, just so you know, this is it.
Like if you play poorly, it's over. You're never playing again in the NBA.
You're going overseas. Like it's it.
Having that pressure is insane. the as a white guy moment for me was when he did the wave off because i remember watching that wave off and and seeing the highlights of that and just being like that kicks ass that was that was awesome that get out of my way that jeremy lynn had had the balls to do that not also realizing that if you're an asian person you're watching this that's like a moment for you were like yeah you, you can step up and you can be considered an alpha.
Yeah. Hank, Toronto bad sports town? Toronto is a bad sports town.
Although, you know, he... That was the thing that popped in my head as well.
I was like, Hank's going to definitely say Toronto is a bad sports town. That's just Canadians though.
Canadians get a pass. They're nice, yeah.
Yeah, but then they got their street cred back when they cheered for Kevin Durant's Achilles blowing up. It's being hard.
Is Canada a bad sports town overall? Yeah, they can't win a fucking Stanley Cup and it's their sport. Bad sports town.
And they're smoking us out right now. That is on the other side.
That's like a Turkish soccer riot that they've got going on. The aliens might have heard me too.
Do you see the reports? There's like a police report report haven't seen them yet though so they still haven't done shit but there was a police report that got shared of a guy calling and saying aliens laying in his backyard and there's 10 foot figures no pictures yet so probably still bullshit uh jake sent his note and i just this was a very jake note that only he would think this watching this they showed the box score and i thought to myself how could the knicks be 12 and 15 in february then i remember that this was during the lockout year when christmas day was opening day so insanity almost didn't happen if they had hadn't ended the lockout two months prior wow jake always on it very cool jake he just sees the numbers he's like wait a second 12 and 17 in february it was a good i i love that they did it at 38 minutes we talked about this on the show a bunch where it's like they stretch out documentaries now where it used to be a one hour hour and a half and then now they're doing these six part series for something that should be an hour this clicking into it thinking it was going to be an hour and a half only being 38 minutes which the story that's you know that's that's all you need it was perfect for the story yeah yeah so the that coincided almost perfectly with Tebow mania too, right? No. 2011? Yes.
Maybe. 12.
So it was in February of 12th. Yeah, but it would be the 2011 NFL season.
I believe so. That's what I'm saying.
Yeah. I thought you were talking about Tebow mania and football, like college football.
No. No.
Professional football. Yeah.
So you want to retract your very harsh no that you just gave me? I said no, yes, maybe. Okay.
All right. I said it all.
He did cover all of his bases. I remember just that six-month span being like, what's going on in professional sports? In sports, yeah.
Sports is weird right now. People forget that the Bears started Tebow Mania.
I think it was Marion Barber who didn't – he went out of bounds. He shouldn't have gone out of bounds and then he had like one of his first comebacks it's nice to be part of those history moments on the wrong side also started colin kaepernick's career that was uh uh fuck what was his name the guy who played everywhere jason jason campbell jason campbell had a spot start on monday night football against the niners colin kaepernick just absolutely torch the Bears.
Yeah, Jason Campbell, Jason Campbell had a spot start on Monday Night Football

against the Niners.

Colin Kaepernick just absolutely torched the Bears.

Yeah, Jason Campbell, big, just wait till next year.

Yeah, yeah.

But 38 at the Garden, much recommended.

And it's also, like Hank said, a quick watch,

which is, they really did, like, it was a perfect length

for a story that wasn't a long story,

but it was cool to, like, relive it all

and remember how insane it all was. So go watch it.com next week man on fire review very excited for that everyone watch it max.com sign up now has a great list of all types of documentary shows everything everything on max.com uh and movies man on fire all right fire fest wrap us up fire fest of the week henry yeah this is i've had i've had i think three or four different times where i know you know all honesty like this is the dumbest thing i've ever done in consecutive days so i'll just rattle them off uh got my new car in new york last week so i was driving it to chicago so i took two days to do that i drove six hours and then six hours yesterday um i obviously packed i had been staying at my apartment in hoboken so i had some stuff left there i had my computer and like that my work set up because i was working out of there so i had a pretty packed car a very packed car it was completely packed full of shit that i was you know my final belongings that i was bringing with me to chicago obviously i have my golf clubs in there stopped in youngstown ohio that was the six six uh you know six hour mark we have a co-worker from youngstown so i hit him up i was like is there any good golf courses around there had to golf is that why you drove no that's definitely why i had to get my car that That is 100% why you drove.
I get to bring my car out here. You saw for 12 hours so that you could play golf.
You're not. That's not true at all.
I did. I didn't play golf.
Spoiler. So woke up in Youngstown, drove to the golf course.
My golf bag was in basically in the backseat where you would put your legs. So it was at the bottom.
But it was trapped on top with a bunch of shit. And I tried to pull it out.
Couldn't pull it out. Thought about taking everything out of my car so that I could get my golf clubs.
But I was so frustrated because I tried to move a couple things. Tried to squeeze it out.
It just wasn't happening. So I was like, this was fucking stupid.
Got back in the car kept driving so that was that that was bothersome that was a dumb move didn't think about it whatever get to chicago finally six hour drive long day didn't get the golf was you know just just grinding out there you did go to the golf course i did go to the golf course i did pull out one club and hit it on the driving range for 20 minutes so you did play I tell you, I had a couple balls. So you did play golf.
Okay. I had a couple balls.
When I moved into my apartment two weeks ago, my electricity was off. I moved in on a Friday.
I had to call and get my electric box number. By the time I got all that, it was 8 o'clock at night.
The electric company was closed for the weekend, and then I was leaving on the Monday night, so I wasn't going to be back there for two weeks. So in my head, I'm like, all right, once I get, you know, I'll do it when I'm home in New York, I'll just call and set up my electricity, do it all.
Didn't do it. Push it off.
Get back into my apartment last night, seven 30. When I first moved in, some of the lights worked like the bathroom lights worked a couple of kitchen lights.
So I was able to maneuver the weekend. It wasn't a problem.
I had some source of light i had some source of power get there on yes on wednesday night 7 30 sun setting none of the lights are off oh none of the lights are on it's about to get dark i had all these boxes that i ordered so i i came to basically a full house full of shit that i was like i'll just you know bang this unpacking out tonight with some light realized that it was i had no power the electric company was closed until the morning and in about 20 minutes i was going to be sitting in a pitch black apartment important question what battery percentage was your cell phone on fully charged my huge upgrade from the mazza uh memes will experience this has a charger doesn't charge't charge, holds a charge, doesn't increase a charge.

So having a car that I got out of the car and it was full battery

because it had been on the charger, great feeling.

Minor upgrade.

So I called PFT.

I was like, hey, I have no power.

He very kindly invited me over, stayed at his house, lovely place,

beautiful, no cold, lukewarm water, but know great great sleep great night fuck hank come on hank it was you're gonna trash my water temperature no you asked you're like you want you want a review so i gave you a review i didn't ask you to review my my hot water heater on part of my take sorry great simple fix by the way i looked into it i already fixed it now i've got the hottest water in chicago that's what they say about my house uh okay so that's part two that when i walked into my house and i was like well no let me back let me back i was like i'm the dumbest person in the world because that was the second time i said that hank also hank also hit me up and was like hey um do you have power and i was like yeah i yeah i do have power he's like oh i don't power. Do you mind if I come over for just a couple hours and use your power, and then I'll go back to my apartment? No, I said you want to hang out for a couple hours.
I was thinking I just didn't want to. I was like fine with sitting in the pitch black.
I wasn't even inviting myself. I was just like, I need something to do for the next three hours because I have no power.
I know, but you were like, can I come over and use your power, and then I'll go home to my black apartment. And I was like, Hank, just stay over at my house.
Like, that's what you really want to ask. That's okay.
You were a great house guest. In fact, so shout out to Hank.
I took a picture of Hank's room after he left this morning. The room that he stayed in.
Oh, no. He made the bed.
Yeah. Hank made the bed.
Look at that. Hank.
All right'm if i'm grading this on a scale of one to jake jake being like better than any housekeeper that could ever come to your house or a hotel room um i give this you get like half a jake on that it's a little wrinkly see that i mean no one yeah you could do a better job jake jake pulls jake pulls these sheets taut he pulls pulls them very tight. He does hospital corners, which is wonderful.

But yeah, Hank was a great house guest.

All right, then I'll finish it off because this has been long-winded

and I'm just an idiot.

Yeah, it has.

Go to the DMV this morning to get my new plates

and my license is about to expire, so I have to get a new license.

They say, okay, can we have your birth certificate

and social security card?

And I realized, I was like, oh, I forgot that. It's in a lockbox.
Then the light bulb went off. The only thing that I did not bring with me from my Hoboken apartment, which is completely empty.
I packed everything. There is one box in one pullout shelf that contains my birth certificate, social security card, passport that is still in Hoboken.
Are they going to ship that to you? I am working on it. So you did do the most dumbest.
You did like the dumbest things in consecutive days. And then at the DMV, I was like, I am the dumbest person in the world.
So it was three times in two days. And it actually got progressively worse.
Like the golf club was like kind of stupid, but just bad packing. The lights thing was really stupid.
Could have done that. I had weeks to do that.
Just didn't do it. And then the license thing was like, just pack your license.
You literally packed everything in your apartment. Oh, hey, except for your fucking birth certificate and passport.
Good news is Hank, you have like one more week to get all this out of your system because you can you can chalk this off to be like, I'm in my 20s. I don't know yeah true next week you're 13 you're an adult and then what day is your birthday tuesday yeah what are we gonna do not rushmore's we should do you know what we should do we should get a petting zoo oh my rushmore birthdays you want oh maybe we do the fantasy baseball draft that night why i guess we could yeah get drunk Hank are you a cake guy? A pie guy?

I'm more of a cake guy Okay

Ice cream cake

Get a stripper

Get a stripper to the office for you?

Cream pies

No

No

Too dangerous

Yeah too dangerous

We'll get Zion in all this trouble

Alright

You suck at life

Yeah

It's really

Too long didn't read

Hank sucks at life still

But you're gonna be 30 Yeah you're in your 20s these are these are youthful mistakes yeah the dmv part is really the kicker because like once you're there the the biggest fear of anyone having to go to the dmv is you get there and you don't have the documents because once you make the effort to go there and stand online there's no bigger kick in the nuts when they're like yeah you yeah, you don't have everything. But even then, it's like, all right, it's close.
I can just go back to my apartment and grab them. And that light bulb going off of like, oh, yeah, it's in that box, which is.
And I was like, oh, my God, it's definitely still in my fucking apartment. Can you send Billy to their house? Just knock on the door.
I did call Billy. I got I got I got people working on it.
OK, good. but i'm shook because i'm getting these documents shipped to me and if what if they don't show up then i'm out of a birth certificate passport and social security card yeah you gotta you gotta insure that package yeah we'll see stay tuned i'm sure we'll be back you know sometimes some weeks i don't know fire fest some weeks i got them all if you lose your if you lose your birth certificate then you might not actually in the eyes of the law turn 30.
Also love being a road dog, but I need a road dog when I'm on the road dog. Yeah, it's tough.
Do you jerk off while you're driving? No. Just once? No.
Not just once. Come on.
Little road head for yourself. Have you ever? No.
Okay. All right.
PFT. My Firefest of the week is actually closely aligned with the real Firefest.

So last Friday night, I went out with a couple people from Barstool.

We went out to a local bar in Manhattan,

and I was talking to Jeff D. Lowe, host of The Dozen,

and we were talking about Billy McFarland.

And I was like, you know, I've got Billy's number,

and we're right next to where his old office used to be. And Jeff's like, give him a call.
See if he wants to come out and hang out. So I texted Billy McFarland, asked him to come out and just drink with us.
I'm like, hey, I'm by your place. Turns out I accidentally sent that text to the wrong Billy in my phone book.
Billy Football? I sent that to Billy Football. Oh, no.
And then Billy was like, no, I can't. I'm out of i'm out of town yeah yeah well he said yeah my uh someone in my family broke their leg he said he was at a funeral which i immediately was like well it's it's 10 30 on a friday night yep um but i think he was actually in a different town for a funeral yes he wasn't currently at a funeral right um and then i was like oh shit i texted billy by mistake so then i texted the real billy and he replied to me would love to but can't i'm stuck right now and that that was kind of an ego check on my part i got i've never been stuck before by somebody where they don't even give me an explanation they're just like i'm stuck i don't know if it's just like a stepmom thing i don't know what he's talking about but he's like i'm stuck right now i can't can't make it out.
So at that point, at that point, I was like, what's that? Got semtex. Yeah, you got semtex.
Yeah. So he's like, I'm stuck.
I can't make it out. And I was like, man, I guess Billy doesn't think that I'm cool.
And then the next day at darts, I texted Billy again because I was with Jeff again. I was like, I was like, let's see if Billy wants to come party and Billy couldn't make it out again.
And I was like, well i don't think that billy mcfarland likes me very much just flying out here this is this is tough to swallow and then a couple days ago i get i get a text back out of nowhere from billy mcfarland and he's like well what about next week are you gonna be around next week i'm like i will be around in new york next week so i think billy wants to hang out and drink beers so i think i'm gonna go drink go drink some beers with Billy McFarlane next week, which should be fun. Maybe he'll fly me to an island.
What the fuck? A known criminal scam artist? Yeah. What? Hey, hey, listen.
It's not like you went to jail or anything. Alleged.
Alleged known criminal scam artist. I hope he ghosts you for fucking blowing up his spot.
No, it wasn't fraud. It was false advertising.
Damn. Which I will said that.
Damn. So, yeah, hopefully I'll toss back a couple pints with old Billy M.
Yeah. Yeah.
And maybe the real Billy. Which of your fire fest is that? That you're just going to go, I guess, is it a moral fire fest? You're now polluting with a criminal? Yeah.
I think I'm a piece of shit. I don't know what my fire fest is.
I don't know what kind of scams I'm about to get roped into yeah a lot a lot but yes there will be there will be scams yes um all right i got a couple quick ones one can't get too far into it but um it listen there's gambling regulators have the rules uh there was a hearing in massachusetts on wednesday about a certain parlay. Let's just say it was a CLP.
We're not going to say the whole name. But in defense of myself and Barstool Sports, our lawyer spent basically two hours saying I'm the dumbest and worst gambler of all time.
Repeatedly. That's entered into the court record.
It just kept on popping up on my twitter i was trending and i was like why am i trending he's like oh because this guy just keeps saying and i think he's doing a great job so he's defending us but in defense of us he basically his his key witness was my dumb fucking brain so uh it wasn't the best but i you know you got to just laugh about it you know you should do big you should rename it next year to the must-win part. I've tried those.
They do not. Turns out gambling regulators don't have the greatest sense of humor, which I understand.
That's not their job. They don't deal in the world of irony and sarcasm.
No, that's not their job. It's totally fine.
What about parody law? That's essentially what the lawyers are doing is parody law. No, he's basically being like,'s basically being like this guy's a piece of shit idiot never wins loser and if i didn't make that clear let me just repeat that 20 more times yeah so it was fun um and then my other fire fest is there was obviously people saw the smoke in manhattan and the crazy forest fire that's happening in canada um my son's school, they sent out a notice being like,

if you don't feel comfortable bringing your kids to school,

totally understand you don't want them outside and stuff.

And I'm like, whatever, he's going to go to school.

There was three kids at school today.

So then you think about yourself as a parent. He's one of the three, yeah.

Where it's like, oh, whoops, should I have kept him home? Probably other parents had like reasons why they needed to get their kid out of the house that day yeah so uh yeah so whoops on that but that's fine it's gonna toughen up his lungs a little bit they said that being outside in that in that weather is like smoking six cigarettes over 24 hours you're out there in 24 hours listen that's like training at training at altitude. Your son's going to come back with tremendous cardio.

Yeah, nothing.

But that is always a shitty feeling when like all these other responsible parents are like,

yeah, let's not put our like four year olds outside today.

And I'm like, nah, send the kids.

Yeah, yeah.

That's be fun.

That's pussification of America stuff.

Yeah, I'm on the other side.

All right.

Good show, everyone.

Let's do numbers off random generators so they don't really count, but we'll let memes count.

Memes, have you ever gotten it?

I'm going to go 69.

Good guess.

I'll go 23.

Memes, max?

One.

20.

Okay.

You watching PFT? I'm hitting it tj says 80 what did you say andrew he had all 69 you were gonna guess 80 though probably right yeah all right congrats you got before memes good job yeah um okay see everyone on Monday. Life episode coming Monday with Russo and Titus.

We will have some stuff about the NBA game four and other things that might happen in between.

We'll see everyone Monday.

Nugs in five.

Love you guys.

I promise.

I will talk. Thank you.
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