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On today's part of my take, we have life episode three. So Ryan Russillo, Mark Titus, life episode three.
Great two hour discussion about everything. We also did a Mount Rushmore of things that are signs that we're getting old.
So we're doing a little different episode today. PFT has his dad's memorial on Sunday.
So we're taping this, the beginning of the show on Saturday. We're going to talk a little nuggets, maybe a little baby gronk, and then we will kick it to ourselves with the life episode.
And then we'll be back together on Tuesday for Wednesday's show. Today's show is brought to you by our friends at the Barstool Sportsbook ourselves.
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Today is Monday, June 11th. And PFT, they tried, they tried, they tried, they tried to give us a series, but the Nuggets are just too good.
Friday night, we had a little Scott Foster. Jokic gets his fifth foul on a phantom, phantom foul, where Bam does a great job flopping.
They take Jokic out in the fourth quarter with the Nuggets up 10

with nine minutes left.

He doesn't come back in for another five and a half minutes,

and the Nuggets were up nine when he came back in.

So that was it.

That was me.

To me, that was the moment that the series was officially over.

It feels like the Nuggets are just too good, too tall. Aaron Gordon was too tall, too good.
And Monday night, do we have a coronation for your Nugs? This is the start of the dynasty. This is merely but the first chapter that we're writing with Nuggets.
If they don't get three titles, then it's a failure. But yeah, this was Scott Foster kind of passing the torch.
The Nuggets took Scott Foster in the NBA's best shot. Scott Foster might be washed up at this point because he was hired to extend the series, give the Heat another game.
That call was so funny too because Bam took Jokic's arm and then did a false flag attack on his own face with it. And Scott Foster was like, perfect.
That's exactly what I'm looking for. Boom.
Jokicich you're going to the bench and then uh bruce brown and then bruce brown happened so bruce brown aaron gordon ended the scott foster era the nuggets killed scott foster and when you write the legacy when you write the the history of scott foster you know that it's the denver nuggets that killed him yes and it was so it also felt it was setting up perfectly for the Heat to have a comeback because you had the Jokic foul. You also had what felt like the longest delay in game because you had the rim adjustment and then a Heat fan passed out courtside.
So we basically had like an entire second halftime that guys were able to rest and like Jimmy and Bam were able to play and 45 minutes. And Jokic was out for five minutes in the fourth quarter.
It's like, let's just do everything we can to try to make this at least a six game series. But the nuggets are too good.
They are just, they are the, the best team in the league this year. They are the best team in these playoffs.
Every time that they've had to answer it, they they've answered it. defense has been incredible this series.
That's what's winning it. Their defense has been great.
And like the heat in their run to the finals, the Nuggets are able to, depending on the night, find that third guy who helps out, whether it be Christian Brown in game three or Aaron Gordon in game four. And obviously Aaron Gordon's been good for other reasons this entire series, but his offense like exploded in game four and you didn't need Jokic.
Jokic had his statistically worst game of the series and it still didn't feel like the Heat ever really had a chance past, you know, like they closed it to a five-point game at halftime and then the second half it never the nuggets just kept them at a distance the entire time and they are just a better team it's it's what you can't do anything when the when when the nuggets are that much better and that much more talented and they even have michael porter jr who's make make one shot michael porter jr challenge you're still you're still waiting for it he uh he has not done anything offensively in the nuggets still yeah they've had still are that guys that have stepped up to fill michael porter's normal role which is that third that third banana and uh yeah no even though yokich didn't have a great night offensively he still had a pretty good night defensively i think he had three blocks and two steals or two blocks blocks and three steals. So he made a difference on the other end too.
And yeah, it's almost like, it's almost like the Nuggets have out heat cultured heat culture in this series to a certain extent by having those role players. It's just Nuggets culture that's winning this.
And if you look at like the Lakers, if you look at the Suns, some other, you know, wannabe super teams, especially in the West, that's the difference between the Nuggets and the other teams is that they have guys that can come in and can actually take over a game, just dominate a game if they have to, if the superstars aren't playing that well. And Jamal Murray didn't have his best game offensively, you could say, by the numbers.
He didn't have a whole bunch of points. He had a shitload of assists.
He didn't have a single turnover on the night either. And the Nuggets shot, I think it was seven for 12, maybe eight for 12 on three pointers attempted off of his assists.
So Jamal Murray, like, hey, shame on me for betting against Jamal Murray to get a double-double in game one, because I think he's averaging probably 11 assists a game in this series. So he's turned into a different player.
He's normally not a huge assist guy, but he's taking what they give him. And yeah, this is, he culture's dead.
Nuggets culture, viva la Nuggets culture. Yeah, and Jamal Murray also had a floor burn in game three, where his entire palm basically was ripped off, and they showed it.
I would have cried. I probably would have been out for the year.
They did an interview with Jamal Murray and he said his pain tolerance, he used to do pain tolerance drills when he was a kid where his dad would balance hot cups of tea on his quads while he was holding a squat. Borderline, you know, who knows, maybe child abuse but i would imagine jamal murray has a pretty high pain tolerance if he's got hot beverages on his quads squatting as a young child uh and now he's gonna be an nba champion on monday night it worked whatever whatever his dad did absolutely worked uh yokich also gave credit to god shout out to god for helping the nuggets win this game because he said that this is Aaron Gordon, how he's played in these finals and this game specifically is evidence that he's he's dedicating himself to the game.

Right.

And God recognizes game and God is helping Aaron Gordon to win this.

So shout out God.

It's tough to be.

It's tough to be God.

Not even Scott Foster can take the big man out.

Altitude and God.

That's a one-two punch on your side that you really can't overcome. Aaron Gordon also, I mean, we have this reminder all the time in sports, and we're still too stupid to internalize the reminder and remember about it.
Aaron Gordon, similar to Andrew Wiggins last year, time place like the magic it wasn't you know it wasn't the best situation he was still good but now he's surrounded by a ton of guys where he can get the most out of his talent where he can do the things that are he's best suited to do and he's completely flourished in these finals but we'll still call him a bum if he was if he was you know on the magic that he's a bust. That's just what sports fans do.
Yeah, sometimes guys that get picked, that get recruited highly, that get picked highly in the NBA draft, we forget that they're actually very good at basketball for the most part. It's very hard to fool every single scout out there, although Wimbledon has somehow done it.
But I did watch this game with my mom last night. I asked her for one takeaway from the game because she does no ball,

as she's demonstrated in the past.

She said that Jokic's haircut, or Yoke-Yoke, as she calls him,

she said Jokic's haircut is a positive move for himself,

but more importantly for the team.

She thinks that his team plays better now that he's gone. It looks like a number two all around on his head.

He looks more aerodynamic, and she thinks that the team feeds off that as well. So Mama Cometor, again, nose ball.
I'm just so excited to see Jokic with the Larry O'Brien trophy on top of a horse at some point. Well, in the parade.
In the parade. They should have him in the chariot behind the horse that's pulling the entire float.
Yes. No engines in the parade.
That should be the rule for the Denver Nuggets for the denver nuggets it should be i was i was a little scared during this game when it looked like yokich might have twisted his ankle in the first half that that to me i there was a lump that did develop in my throat at that time and then he just goes to the locker room gets it taped up he's he is not a horse because if he was they would have brought the tarp out it's also also Jokic turning his ankle. Obviously, you don't want to see him injured, but his vertical is going to go from, what, like three inches to two and a half inches? I feel like he could play with two rolled ankles and still be the best player in the world.
It's not like his game is explosive jumping. He goes laterally more than he does.
He gets wider as the game goes on. But yeah, he's a tough dude.
Came back, played well. Do we know what happened with that defense? Because I wanted to get some jokes off about it during the game.
And when they brought the stretcher out, I was like, maybe I'll wait off on firing these takes. Because it looked at first like they were treating her because she was drunk and helping her to her seat.
Then they wheeled her off on the stretcher. There were a lot of heat culture things I wanted to say at that point.
I think she was just hammered. Yeah.
Yeah. She looked hammered.
There was also a fan getting escorted out while this was all happening by the cops in the lower screen. and we had had yokich who like i loved when he he tried to fix the rim himself by just hanging on it and he's like no i got this don't worry we don't need a delay i'll just i'll just put my weight behind this side of the rim didn't actually work i loved at that point um it sucks because this series let's just play like the rim was definitely tilted, and Mark Jackson was like,

to me, this feels like a waste of game time right now.

Yeah, if the rim's actually tilted, they should probably fix it, Mark.

Yes, yes.

This series, yeah, it won't be the most memorable NBA finals, I'd say,

because at least the last two games,

we've been kind of waiting for the Heat to do something

and come back and even this series, and they haven't been able to,

but the Nuggets are just that good.

The Nuggets deserve all the credit in the world.

There's a take. Game two was actually exactly what the Nuggets needed to do because Mike Malone, we talked to Windhorse about it.
He ripped into them. He was able to get them refocused.
They hadn't lost in a month, and now you're seeing how good their defense is when they're all locked i'm looking forward to reading the oral history of the team dinner at jeff green's house in miami before game three that's going to be fire when that's that's when everything turned around for this nugget team they needed to be they need to be shaken up a little bit at home just give michael maloney an excuse to dog cuss you for a little bit and then you'll be fine for the rest of the series yes uh do we have any takes on baby gronk i so our our colleague uh kyle bauer uh kb kb no swag has actually been on the baby gronk beat for about two years now uh but baby gronk has reached critical mass this past week He was on TMZ. New York Times had a post on him.
The whole thing feels bad. The dad, it feels bad.
He's risen up everyone. He's in everyone's DMs.
There was a quote. This is the power of Baby Gronk.
And when I say the power of Baby Gronk, I mean the power of Baby Gronk's dad, who is maniacally trying to make his 10 year old a celebrity. Uh, he said, quote, I can reach anybody.
Donald Trump's son's wife follows my son. It's bigger than people think.
And it's only getting bigger. He just got posted on TMZ today.
It's probably one of the bigger things on the internet as an influencer. He could be bigger than Bronny James.
Yeah. going to be playing in the answer your question big cat do i have a take on baby gronk all i know is that baby gronk rizzed up livy dunn and he is he the new drip king that's my robot question is baby gronk the new drip king uh it is it feels weird it feels very very weird uh i was talking to big t about this the other day he's He's also a baby Gronk aficionado, you could say.

This dad belongs in dad jail. There should be a dad jail, a jail that's specifically designed for fathers who are screwing up their children in front of the world for everybody to see.
And this guy should 100% be in there. Because, listen, as somebody who was approximately 5'8", when I was, I don't know, 12, 13 years old, and then didn't grow from there, there's a good chance that baby Gronk, he's not going to be huge.
And when the dad's talking about his son, like he's going to be the face of the NFL face of college football, like, dude, he's 10, he's 10. And there was a quote that he said where he's like, no, but my son, baby Gronk, is built different.

He's committed to this.

He eats a diet of salmon and brown rice. Like, he's a dog.
Like, basically, like, he looks at his son like he's a Siberian husky. He's like, I feed my son a raw meat diet.
But basically, you remember in Little Giants, Howie Long's kid, where it's like I massage his legs with calf milk every single night to get his legs strong. That's what he's trying to do with Baby Gronk, and it's not going to end well.
It's definitely not going to end well. But to be fair, he did rizz up Livy Dunn.
Oh, he big time rizzed her up. Yeah, no, it's the Todd Marinoinovich like we watched the whole story unfold uh why this is a bad idea it's also football is the one sport where it probably doesn't matter trying to get like all this skill when you're 10 years old because if you're not big and strong and fast none of it matters you know what I mean? Like football is a lot of like genetics and who you are as an athlete

versus like playing baseball and being like, oh, I could, you know,

I could hit a baseball when I was two years old.

Like if baby Gronk isn't big and fast and tall enough,

it doesn't matter if he's really, really good.

Just like you said, like it won't matter. His career will, will not go any further than, than high school football, because that's just how football works.
You need to be a certain size to play in the NFL or high level division one football, but he is getting, he's getting scholarship offers, uh, from all these places. I don't think that's actually a fact.
I think his dad, I'm pretty sure his dad just buying all the jerseys and helmets and being like baby gronk loved his visit to purdue and it's just they're probably in their basement in front of a green screen uh but yeah he is the riz king right now we'll say that he's a riz king and then he even gave her a side hug so she went in for the real hug baby gronk gave livy dunn the side hug so that to me tells me he is he's the new drip king the the offers that he's getting from these schools are definitely 100% not true I do believe it though when like LSU offers a baby that's born in Louisiana and the baby weighs like 15 pounds and they give that baby a scholarship offer like 18 years from now I believe it when that happens but I don't believe that baby gronk has any offers right now although i will say james madison university i would like to offer baby gronk a scholarship to jmu if you want to compete in the sun belt like what better place to get baby gronk put him in the fun belt baby should we sign him to an nil deal part of my cheesesteak yeah baby if you want to grow big and strong right now i don't really want to feed into this here's what i'll do here's what i'll do i will allow baby grok to eat part of my cheesesteaks i'm allowing it but i'm not giving him any product we're not shipping him any merch he's not speaking on behalf of the brand but he is he's the only 10 year old 10 year old in america who i am authorizing to eat a constant diet of nothing but part of my cheesesteaks okay so baby grok you're signed up for an N up for an NIL deal with part of my cheesesteak. A lot of people are telling me, like, I was talking about Baby Gronk the other day.
I just can't get up the fact that he did, in fact, rizz up Libby Dunn. People were saying that Baby Gronk could beat me up.
Not a chance in the world. I would beat the shit out of Baby Gronk.
Like, if it was one-on-one, me and him in a cage match i would make him tap it'd be it'd be so easy i know i could beat up any 10 year old in the world any 10 year old in the world different no it is that's not true there's definitely no that's not true think about uh habib when he was 10 wrestling bears like there's some 10 years 10 year olds in like Dagestan that could whoop your ass. I'm talking like actual 10-year-olds, not the Daniel Monte of 10-year-olds.
Any legit 10-year-old with a birth certificate, I've seen enough. I know all the tricks.
They don't have the experience when it comes to fighting. They haven't seen somebody fight dirty yet.
So, no, I would beat up any 10-year-old in the world. Okay, last thing before we get get to it also is perfect that we're doing this life episode when we talk about things that make you feel old because just the headline baby gronk rizzed up livy um that right there just makes you feel as old as possible where i i thankfully knew what they were talking about but i would imagine there was a lot of people who saw that headline and they're like what planet am i on did i get a did am i in a coma and i just missed like the last 15 years of culture talk though is i think he's doing it satirically i think he's a funny guy and he was like how many titles do you think lsu will win baby yeah will baby gronk lead lsu to a national title? Sound off in the comments.
All right. Last thing.

I feel like zion williamson's girlfriend might be going too far i'm ready for her to stop tweeting uh because it feels like fat shaming at this point she was she posted a picture of him lying in bed she was like i hated sleeping next to your sweaty ass uh said that he just had coca-cola bottles all over the all over his uh bathroom i it's now turned where it was like oh he's on blast and now it's like okay let's we get it you know zion maybe cheated on his girlfriend or his girlfriend's girlfriend or whatever is going on here. Let's move on.

Let's not just let's just not drag him through the mud every single day for the rest of time.

There was that one tweet that stood out to me, which was your bathroom was filled with soda bottles and cans.

No wonder he fat as fuck and I didn't shape.

Fuck you, Zion Williamson.

I'm tired of being nice.

You hurt me and humiliated me.

That's mean.

That's mean to say if a man has has soda bottles and cans in his bathroom, that's not for you to put out there on blast. The stuff that women keep in their bathrooms, by the way, is way weirder than the stuff, than having, I don't know, like a two-liter of Sprite in your bathroom.
That's normal compared to some of the lotions and face stuff, like seven drawers that are filled up with different types of beige powders. That's weird.
That's weird to me. Having a two liter of tab in your bathtub, that's normal.
That's just guy stuff. Sometimes you want an ice cold soda when you take a bath.
So get over yourself. It's also the very definition of me thinks the lady doth protest too much because she's claiming that she's done with Zion, but all she's done for the last four days is just tweet at Zion Williamson the entire time she's mad she's big mad about this yeah there was there was a reply to that tweet that was just like and I don't know if this is true but in this case it is true it was just women are like suicide bombers they'll go down but they're taking everyone with them and that does feel like she's like it's flipped where she's trying to take down zion but she's taking herself down with him like she's just looking at this case like all publicity is good publicity if you're a porn star so she she recognizes that she's having a moment right now where people are no no no no she's not a porn star she's not a she's not a porn star a porn star.
She hasn't done porn since 2019. She won't have that on the record.
There's certainly a lot of videos that she's putting out of herself naked for not being a porn star. Can you just retire from it? That might just be OnlyFans.
Can you retire from the game? There's a big difference. You hang up the strap on, and you're like, not doing this again.
Yep. Put it in the rafters it's time to time to move on uh but yeah it definitely uh has a vibe of like hey maybe maybe just take a day off of just like completely sewering zion in the streets in a weird way it's making him more relatable the more that she talks about it because she's very very clearly upset she had feelings for zion or else she wouldn't be doing this but she's she's just keeps going after his weight and she's like i barely even came credit to zion that what a what a compliment like if if a woman comes out there and her public trashing of my sex ability is like i barely even nutted that's a huge win for me massive dub yes yes okay let's get to our life episode we have an awesome awesome two hours with Rosillo and Titus we're going to cover it all we're going to do a Mount Rushmore it is brought to you by our friends at Game Time the exclusive ticketing partner Barstool Sports created fans for fans.
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A life episode three with Ryan Russillo and Mark Titus. Okay.
It is life episode three. We have Ryan Russillo, Mark Titus, Mark Titus show show ryan russell show two huge narcissists that name their shows after themselves uh we are we are remote this time we will do another one uh all of us together uh i'm running out of kids by the way i'm done with kids so you one of you guys gonna have to step up um for the next one how do you handicap how do you handicap that race, Dan, as you look at the three of us?

Who's the first of us three to have a kid?

I can see PFT doing it as a bit.

Yeah.

It'd be very funny.

Yeah.

Titus, I think you are definitely like you will have kids.

And then Rosillo always is like, I wouldn't be shocked if just one day he called me. He's like, hey, so I'm having a kid.
Like, just decided I wanted to have a kid. Well, he's got Chris Paul.
Yeah, that's true. Which, we haven't talked to you, Ryan.
All playoffs. We've given you your space.
Do you want to, before we talk some other stuff, there it is. The 61 Chris Paul book.
Is that how many playoff losses he has? That's cool. It's about his grandfather that died.
Oh, yeah, that's right, where he made the final foul shot for him. I remember that.
Yeah, okay. Now I feel like an asshole.
Funny joke, though. Funny joke about the playoffs.
No, that's good. Actually, we're taping this show because my dad died, Ryan, and so I'm going to be going to his memorial service when this airs.
So I bet you feel bad for making fun of me for making fun of you. I don't.
Fuck. Where are you at with Chris Paul right now, Ryan? Is it almost worse, Ryan, that we haven't had you on the show to berate you about Chris Paul? It's that sad now where we felt bad even going there? No, you guys are just like political zealots on Twitter.
Like if Trump fell, you know, the people would freak out and then Biden falls. And it's like, no, it's actually not that bad.
And it could be the other way around. If somebody defended Trump, I'd be like, no, it was that bad.
He's super uncoordinated. Have you seen his golf swing? But like Chris Paul, it proved the Phoenix Suns needed Chris Paul.
So then you didn't have me on. So I knew exactly what you were doing.
You guys are frauds when it comes to the topic. But it's great to be here.
Wait, but they went – We're off to a hot start. Who did they – They won two games with Chris Paul in the lineup, right? And then he got injured and then they lost the rest of the games? How'd that shake out? Well, yeah, because Devin Booker and Kevin Durant both turned into Michael Jordan at the same time so um but i think when it all was said and done it was they really could have used his playmaking and escape valve and some good decision making and all that kind of stuff but that's cool no i get it i get it yeah we're running out of time with chris paul do you feel that yeah no that's that's true aren't we all running out of time but to big cat's original original point, I would say Titus.
I think Titus might be the next to become a dad. Just because you probably have very athletic sperm.
I think between the three of us, I probably want it the most too. But I don't know if that works in my favor or not.
I don't know. I want to be a father.
I definitively want to have kids. And it's something think like I need, like, I think like the older I get, the more I'm like, I've, I feel like I've kind of done, um, I've done all that there is for me to do.
And it's like, I need to, to now be a father and like, you know, try to live through my kid, I guess, or whatever, like enter that next phase of my life. Um, but at the same time, I have the, I have the thing where like, I don't want to do it until I i'm ready and i also know that i will never ever be ready so i i feel like i'm going to be like in my 60s and i'll look around and be like okay now i'm ready and whoever my wife is will be like 58 and she'll be like yeah so about that um we can't you know uh so i don't know i don't know it'll be interesting i do think ryan is a sneaky good bet just because he had – he does obviously life advice on his show, which is phenomenal, on every episode.
And there was one where he went on a long tangent about a kid playing in the sand with his dad. And, like, the whole time I'm like, dude, this is – you want a kid? Just, like, you got to have a kid.
So I think if he just sees one more kid playing in the sand with his dad he's gonna just find a surrogate and be like i'm a dad now he just kidnaps the kid just fucking takes a kid from the beach he's like i'm a dad yeah it's really weird though because people don't like guys like me just hanging out at playgrounds and i was like no i just watching kids playing sandboxes. It's not a big deal as they're escorting you away.
Do you think you'll be a dad, Brian? I think you will. I don't know.
I mean, I think I, I would, uh, look, I really actually like kids, you know, like my sister just had a baby girl last week and she FaceTimed me and the baby did not stop crying for 20 straight minutes. But the lesson in that is that I stayed on the FaceTime for 20 minutes, even though it kind of sucked.
Cause I was like, I just, I think being the oldest of five, I, I get it a little bit more than, you know, I know it's no one understands what it means to be a parent. I got it.
I've seen your posts, but it doesn't like none of that ever bothered me. Like I knew what it would be.
I knew what the sacrifice it would be. I knew kind of all that stuff, I guess, kind of the Titus's point.
Like, it's a stupid thing to wait around and say, I don't want to do it until I'm ready because you're never really ready. You just sort of do it.
there's a lot of things in life that you're just not ready for and it's like well who cares you have this opportunity to go ahead and do it but in this case you're actually fucking with another

person as opposed to maybe taking a job before you're ready for it. I know for a fact, for me, it was like, okay, I'm going to get all these things in place.
I'm going to be like a turnkey house that you buy. Everything's going to be turnkey and there's no such thing as that turnkey thing.
So then like another 10 years went by yeah we're kind of getting down to it i definitely should be last out of the group i should be last but i i don't entirely rule it rule out um you know i'm not the same age as pacino but when i saw some of that news i was like you know i just think that's a disservice to the kid like hey what was my dad was my dad like? No, the kid is, what is Pacino, 82?

82.

De Niro's 79.

79.

You basically are having a kid where you're guaranteeing that the moment the kid is aware of life and death, that's when you'll die.

It's not even you'll die when the kid's three and he'll be like, I never really knew my dad.

No, that kid will be like eight and be like, my dad's my superhero i understand that he's old and then he dies yeah because i remember like college that first weekend where we all get there like three days before everybody else that freshman thing i mean it that is like being born all over again right you just dropped into it and then you'd see somebody be like dude is that guy's grandfather helping him move into his dorm room and then you'd be like no that's his dad like pacino is going to be a hundred yeah yeah that's such a messed up thing that biology does where where women stop having babies probably what fertility drops off about 45 yeah uh but men you can you can get somebody pregnant when you're like 110 years old yeah Yeah. It's stupid.
110 would be old, but like a magic Pacino with a couple of milk crates walking behind the guy at like 98. Yeah.
And it's also, it also is crazy. Like how city to city when my first, when my son was born, my wife was 34 and in New York city, the doctor literally was like, uh, like, you know, how old are you? She's like 34.
And the doctor was like, oh, teen mom. Because New York City is like 34 is still young in New York City.
You see a lot of people having kids at like 41 kid and being like, all right, that's it. What incredible material from that doctor.
That guy's pretty comfortable with himself and his practice, though. Yeah, he was shooting.
He was feeling himself. The opposite is obviously true in the middle of America, where everyone's just pumping out kids and getting married in their 20s.
If you're in your 30s and you're single with no kids, that's part of why I moved to LA. I sort of started feeling out of place.
When you go to all your friends' house and they have three kids running around and you're, you don't, I actually funny enough talking about like being a dad, I had a house in Ohio. I lived in the suburbs cause I don't, I'm an idiot.
I don't know. Like I, I did the college thing.
I wanted to own a house. I wanted a yard.
I just kind of wanted to like fast forward to the point of my life that my, my parents had, you know? And I was like, I wrote my book and I made a decent amount of money from from that. I was like, you know what? Fuck it.
At 25 years old, thank you to everybody who bought that. At 25 years old, I'm just going to buy a house in the suburbs.
I'm going to do it. Along the way, I lived next door to a guy who, him and his wife adopted a bunch of kids.
They they had like four kids that they had adopted and they were great people. And, um, I became like, definitely, definitely sounds creepy the way I say it, but I was like the neighborhood, like uncle almost like where all the kids would like, just like, there would be kids like knocking on my door that wanted to go TP their friends' houses, but their parents wouldn't let them.
So they were like, will you go buy us toilet paper? And'm like, yes, absolutely, I will. And I would go buy them a toilet paper.
But along that path, along that journey, at one point I looked up and I saw an empty house. I knew my neighbors had adopted these kids.
So I went and I asked them about it. And I was like, hey, I don't know if I'm ready for this, but I think I want to be a dad.
And I might look into adopting a kid. And he just immediately was like, yeah, chance dude you're a single dude living in a house he's like it's like there's no world in which they're gonna let you adopt kids are you insane and then the dream died and i was like okay cool all right never mind you just wanted a friend did you have any friends around at the time mark yeah um but that was like as i got to like 30 years old and i was looking around i was like i don't know what's next for me like Should I try to be a dad? I don't really know.
So I asked this guy, should I adopt a kid? He was like, fuck no, they're not going to let you adopt a kid as a single man. Are you nuts? So you can kill the kid or have sex with it? I was like, what? What were you going to say your qualifications were for adopting the child if you were to go talk to him? Be like, watch me shoot a jump shot.
I can teach you. I can make, I can make this kid into an NBA player.
Yeah. I mean, I didn't really like necessarily, I felt like a, it was a weird day.
I don't know. I was just having like an identity crisis, I guess.
Cause I didn't really feel like I wanted to do it. It just felt like a social responsibility almost.
Like I had this huge house. Um, it wasn't that bad.
I don't know. It was like, I had like four bedrooms, you bedrooms, not to brag, but it was also middle of nowhere Ohio.
Was it because your neighbor was running up the score in terms of karma points? Kind of. They're like the best person on earth.
Brad Pitt and Angelina. Yeah, they adopted four kids from struggling families.
And then you're like, I should do something like that. Well, I asked him too about fostering kids about like fostering kids.
I was like, is there a way like we don't make this permanent? Like, can I just. Wait, you thought as a single guy in your late 20s, 30s, that you would pass any of the screening of this? I did.
Yeah, I did. I did.
Well, because I didn't. So you were legitimately looking into adopting a buddy.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is like the, wasn't this a movie? Yeah.
Was this right around the time that movie came out no it's not i love you man is it it's the other one it was it was uh i i i've known i've known i knew i wanted to be a dad at some point uh i i i like basically hit the fast forward button on life too fast like i basically and it's kind of funny as i look back on it like i live in my 30s and my 20s and then now as i moved to la and like i'm in my 30s i actually feel like i'm living like a 20s lifestyle out here more um but i i wanted to like fast forward my life i think i think i was just like i got a house everywhere i look like all all the other dudes in the neighborhood were just talking about their kids and like kind of like that was like The whole reason I brought this up was just to speak to the societal differences of the coasts versus the middle of America. I just felt a pressure where I looked around and I was a single dude with a house and I was like, I'm a fucking weirdo in this neighborhood.
I need to change that. This is role models.
I dabbled with the idea of like do I need a kid is that what and then ultimately uh uh common sense prevailed and I was like no I just need to sell my house and move to Los Angeles this is actually a good it is a good jumping off point because it was actually something that was asked a lot and I would say like to wrap up the kid conversation it is what Ryan said or like, you keep telling yourself, like, will I be ready? I don't think you ever are. It's just, you know, sometimes you just got to bite the bullet.
And also people who are like, you know, kids are the best. It's the best.
It is the best. But it's also fucking hard.
And it's a lot of work. And anyone who does the social media being like, you know, only fun times.
Like, they're just lying to themselves. I honestly think that a lot of people are scared off of having kids because of how many people say like.
So a lot of my friends and I'm not talking about you, big cat, because you've never said this to me. But a lot of my friends are always talking about like how hard it is to have a family.
And because I think if you're if you're a person that doesn't have kids and you hang out with someone that has a family,

that's their escape time from their family.

Right.

So they unload all the bad stuff, all the stress onto you,

and then that can make you not want to have kids right now

because it's like, well, this person is just miserable.

Right.

Like all the time.

So sometimes the other side kicks in where it's not like –

I don't think of having a kid as being like nothing but great times, but I've seen more of my friends who are just like unloading on me yeah all their stress but yeah it'll happen it'll happen when it happens for all of us no but it doesn't that's cool too and i would say for people who like you're hearing the worst whenever someone says like oh it's the worst it's never one way or the it's never the best like all the time it's never the worst all the time it's's basically having kids is essentially every day you're waking up with a person who has a personality change overnight, and you don't know if one day they're going to be the sweetest kid or one day they're going to want to hit you in the nuts. So it's more like I'd say being a dad, you roll with the punches better than you ever have in your life.
It's all just like one song. It is.
It's just like, ah, it's all right. Like today he sucked.
Tomorrow's be great. Today.
My daughter did this tomorrow. She do that.
Like just all one song. It all rolls together.
Yeah. I don't know if you want to do this.
Cause if we're transitioning this a little bit later on, but just because, you know, I'm the oldest one of the group now, which was weird because I think we brought this up before. Like I was always the youngest of the group and now I'm just like, oh, you're the oldest of the group.
You just are by sometimes a pretty staggering gap. But, you know, we get life advice emails.
We get life advice emails all the time where there'll be like a dude, late 20s, maybe he's even late 30s. And he goes, you know, I could get engaged.
I've been with this girl for a long time. We get along, but like you can tell they just stopped having sex.
Like there's, there's less passion in the email than there is in the relationship. Right.
Cause the guy's like kind of opening up to us in the email being like, I don't really know what I should do. I guess I could get married.
I guess I could have a kid. I guess I could do these different things.
And then there's a bunch of the audience and I'll even have, you know, close friends. I'll have casual friends that will be like, I, you know, either the email will say, should I pull a Rosillo or the friend will like, I had a friend reach out going, you're the only one that didn't buy into the lie.
And I'm like, what are you talking about? He's like, my house sucks. My wife doesn't talk to me.
The kids are a fucking mess. And like, by the way, I don't know anybody that should be selling the idea that having kids is easy.
Right. Because it just isn't.
And it's actually the most selfless thing that you can do. You know, I always feel like I'm speaking for myself, not anybody else, because, you know, everybody has their own reasons behind it.
But like, I feel incredibly selfish in a way that sometimes I have a hard time thinking about. Like, are you actually going to be this selfish, selfish about it when so many people before were selfless and brought another life into the world and all these different things? But then people see me and going like, hey, maybe I could do that.
And I'm like, dude, do you think this is the answer all the time? Like my college roommate, one of my college roommates came by and he came to the house and you guys have been here and he's out in the balcony. He's looking at the water and he's going, so what are you going to do today? And I was like, I don't know.
He goes, you're going to do literally whatever the fuck you want. Right.
And I was like, yeah, pretty much. Like I probably play hoops.
You know, I'm like, I don't know. I, there's something on a little bit later tonight.
I was like, he goes, but you could go golf right now. I was like, I could play 36 if I wanted.
And then he's like, can you have a boat? I was like, yeah, I have a boat. He's like, and where is it? I was like, it's right over there.
It's like 10 minutes away. He's like, so you could just get on the boat.
And I was like, yeah, I could just get on the boat. And he was like the most depressed I've ever seen him because he just like looked around and I was like, do you want a drink or something? He's like, no, I got to go home.
He's like, I got to go home. I got to, I was like, what did you think I did here? And he's like, I just didn't really get it until I came to the house and then saw, And he was like upset.
He was like physically, emotionally rattled from the whole experience that I was – he was going to leave and I was going to be able to do whatever I wanted. So I think what happens is sometimes I don't feel like I sell this as like the answer to everything because I'll admit, you know, at ESPN, I was still 9 to 5 gym and then whatever else I was doing.
Now that I live here, I don't even go anywhere. Right.
Like the most social I've been in a month was I said hello to three people at the gym an hour ago. So when there's people wondering, which is a very common lesson in this, it's not specific to what I'm talking about, but the grass always being greener.
Yeah. Like there's a lot of dudes that look at my deal and be like, that's actually maybe what I should have done.
Like, yeah, it greener. I'm doing it, and I'm telling you it's not for everyone.
I would advise against it, and it actually is pretty selfish. It's a good point, too.
One of the first questions that we had that someone wrote in was basically like, I'm coming up first year, my big boy job after college. He hates it.
He can't see himself doing it for 30 to 40 years he's happy with his life outside work but doesn't love his work and all this stuff he's right out of college and it's similar to what you just said in terms of I think there's and I really do I don't want to sound like super old but I do think social media has fucked everyone up where you just always think that someone is always having way more fun than you and everyone's just living their life and being able to say like what i have is pretty damn good and not always putting yourself up against your co-workers your friends people you see on instagram if you can do it it's liberating i would say my favorite my favorite thing about rusillo is that everybody is convinced and there's no in-between whatsoever. Everybody is convinced that you are depressed and living like a miserable life alone and you're like a recluse and you hate everything about yourself.
Or that you have lived the sickest fucking life ever and they're so super jealous and like I would love to be. And everybody is convinced of like and they're all looking at it through their own lens and how they approach their own life.
And then, and then like, see, like I have buddies that'll argue about it and they're like, I don't know, man. I don't know how he does it.
Like he's alone. It's so much.
And like, you don't, the guy just sits there and watches random ass NBA games. Like go out and fucking live your life, man.
And then other, you know, my other buddies, like all the things you said, he's got a boat, dude. He lives in Manhattan Beach.
This guy's got it.

He's either worthless or he's got it all figured out.

Yeah, there's no in between.

There's nobody that's like, you know,

I'm sure he's figured out a good balance in his life,

and I bet at times it's not as fun, and other times it is.

There's no in between.

It's always like this is the most sick thing ever.

This sucks.

I love the idea that the phrase pull to Rosillo could mean two completely

opposite things.

It's like aloha Aloha means I and bye.

Yeah.

Cause like,

there are times like I'm okay with it.

Like I,

I know what I signed up for,

but like everybody that loves having their family and loves coming home,

especially the kids are at the age before they just decide to automatically hate you once they get to those years. And then it sort of sucks because then they have to go through their own shit and then realize like how great of a dad you may have been.
Right. It's all very predictable.
But those younger moments when you come home and you had your bad day and your kid loves you no matter what and is so fired up to do something with you. There's not really anything that you can do to replace that by not having uh by not having a kid but you know when I when I think about like people going like Priscilla has it all figured out like like I'll admit like there's there's this woman at the gym right now right she wears literally nothing and she's almost 60, but she's in pretty good shape, right? Every other dude with like a full head of gray, gray hair, like 10 years older than me, you know, or no hair or whatever.
The guys that don't have a wedding ring, they all hit on her all the time, right? I am not attracted to her, okay? I'm a little surprised she wears as little clothing as she does she still looks pretty good but to me she's incredibly old but when i see all these old dudes lining up to hit on her i'll be like that's gonna be you dude or if i see an old guy like having dinner by himself at a bar bitching about the dodgers and no one fucking cares and then he tells a story about oral hersheiser like renting a cabin near him i'm like that's gonna be you dude so i fuck with myself regularly and kind of laugh more than i do get like if i got really bummed out about this lifestyle okay i'm not telling you i peak happiness every single day. That's just the way I am.
It doesn't matter what the fuck I was doing. All right.
But if I was that bummed out about my deal, I would have changed it by now. And honestly, it was more about, it was, that was more about Connecticut because Connecticut towards the end, I go like, I've joked about this with big cat.
I'd sit in the basement and count how many days in a row I did that deal. And like I remember I think the records were 59 straight days or 61 straight days in the basement where I ate down in the basement and watched basketball.
And back then, too, I would just – East Coast, you'd go to bed earlier, so whatever. That was something I had to break.
I was like, we need to move on from this because this isn't working out. So even – look, the worst day in Manhattan Beach, like I'm not going to fucking complain about anything here.
So to that guy's question, and Ron, you kind of hit on this a little bit, where he's talking about hating his job and saying, okay, my life is good outside of my job. One year out of college.
One year out of college. My life might be okay.
Well, which one is that? I just graduated college, recently moved to Manhattan. No, it's the, hey, guys, long-time listener of your pods.
I'm coming up on one year of my first big boy job out of college. Yeah, so he kind of hates it, but his life is okay outside of work.
I would say that if your job is so bad that it's affecting your happiness, it's bleeding over into your outside life, that's a pretty good indication. But a lot of people are happy in their personal lives at a job that they're not in love with.
Right. And that's okay.
And I also think, and this goes for, and I hate giving advice because everyone's got to live their own life. But when you're 23, you're dumb.
And I think about how dumb I was and thinking like, oh, I hate my job. And then you look back and you're like, well, it wasn't that bad.
Because then you get, you know, you, you do other things and you get more jobs and you realize like at 23, you just don't know. So you also, you also fall into the trap of thinking everything's permanent.
And you think that this job that you have at 23, when you say like, this is what I'm going to be doing for the next 30, 40, 50 years, that's not what you're going to be doing. You know, like you might hate this job, but like if you, even if you stayed at that company, I don't know, again, maybe I'm off base, but just speaking of generalities, uh, you're going to like move up, you're going to progress.
You're going to find like different avenues and different jobs where like suddenly you unlocked like a level of you're now like middle management at your job. And like, you're like, I don't really hate this anymore.
And this is actually, I'm more suited for this. Um, but yeah, the idea of like the first job you take most first jobs, everybody takes suck ass.
That's like, that's like part of the corporate world is like when you're, when you're fresh out of college, you get the shittiest jobs and you know why you get the shittiest jobs because you're new at this and the people that have been around for a while have earned the right to move on to what's next. Um, but yeah, I, I agree with PFT.
Like sometimes like, as long as it's not bleeding over into your personal life and like making you miserable in that aspect, sometimes like your job is a job and you just do it to make the money so you can go enjoy your life. And I think to your point, Big Cat earlier about like social media has kind of ruined a lot of people.
I think with work, it feels like a lot of people think that like their job should be their identity and that, um, you have to like have a job you love or you have to like, you know, cause all of us do a job that we, we, we probably, we, it's not always the greatest thing in the world, but we kind of have an easy job, you know, and we love, it's the best job ever. It's a great gig.
Yeah. So I think there's like a pressure if you, if you observe like people on social media too much that you're like, I need to do a job that I love.

Do something you love and then you don't have to work any day of your life and all that sort of thing.

But sometimes it's like, man, just punch the fucking clock, get the money, go home and like just cut it off and go enjoy your life.

And I wouldn't recommend doing that for 40 years, but like in this little phase you're in fresh out of college as you're trying to figure shit out and you are a dumb ass as big cat said um that's that's what i would say is like this isn't permanent this is like part of the transition period of your life and and fresh out of college it's like it's even less about what you're doing per se it's more about like who like do you have someone who's teaching you well do you have like a boss who's mentor? That's way more important than, like, learning actually, like, oh, I'm, you know, figuring out this skill and this profession. Like, someone who's teaching you life lessons, everything.
And also what you're saying, Mark, like, our jobs are the best jobs in the world. I think we all would agree we have the best job in the world.
But if you hit us with truth serum, we could give you a list of things we don't like about our job because every single job has those things. So I would say to someone like that, like make a list of what the negatives are and ask yourself, is this a negative because it's this specific job? Or is this something that I'll probably find to be negative about work in general? Yeah, right.
Exactly. I would also say that it's important if you have a job job that you think sucks it's important to have a job that sucks that you're good at because then you can take pride in whatever it is you do like i would much rather be good at my shitty job than be awful at what some people would say would be a good job yeah yeah feeling accomplished it takes a little bit of staying out of like that that feeling that you get sometimes when you come home from work and you think to yourself, what did I do all day? Yeah.
And that's when it starts to bleed over when you actually don't care and it is affecting your at-home life. If you're at least good at your job, then you have a sense of accomplishment.
You feel some pride in what you did. You feel like that day is not wasted.
So, yeah, most 23-year-olds, if you have a that you're good at, that pays enough for you to live and get by, that's really all you can expect when you're 23. You're not going to own the world.
You're not going to step into the job that you're going to have for 40 years. Your career is going to take twists and turns.
You'll change companies. You'll probably change your interests.
You might even pick up a completely different line of work along the way. Nobody stays at a job for 40 years anymore.
Maybe our parents might have. They were probably the last generation to do that.
I would be surprised if that becomes a thing that ever happens again, where somebody gets into a, you know, they get into the mailroom after college and they worked their way up to be CEO. That's just, that's not the way that people do business anymore.
Also, I'm ayan when did you when was your first radio gig first on-air gig was 2002 with the trenton how old were you you know i i i was 26 i got the job when i was 26 i turned 27 that summer i didn't even make it i don't even think i made it until 27 i was gone halfway through the season um but i asked that i asked that because like i didn't start doing this till I was 27 28 same

with PFT same with you Mark obviously had a little different because he wrote a book not to brag but I do think there's that feeling when you first how did that kid buy that house when you first graduate college there's a feeling like it's permanent and it really isn't like your 20s are the perfect time to fuck up, to figure out what you like, to figure out like, okay, I can transition. If I don't like this, I can do this.
And it really nothing is permanent in your 20s. It really is a time where you can make mistakes and and like wasting a year at a job you don't love or two years.
You still will get something out of it and you'll find out what you like and what you don't like um yeah i mean the whole hey i got out of school and i have questions about this job welcome to fucking life right okay so big cat nailed it if we wanted to do two hours on what we didn't like about awesome jobs that we all have and lucky enough to have done as well as we've done we could could do two hours. It'd probably be one of my favorite pods ever to do, but that's just life.
And the weird thing about that lane, and this actually speaks to Titus a little bit, you get the book money, you're getting a little shine at a very early age, and then you're thinking, I want the picket fence, I want all these things, and you're conditioned to think immediately after this phase of your life where you're having fun, you're playing college sports. I have to, I have to be a grownup.
Like, I think I know you a little bit that I could see you retroactively being like time to grow up. I had a really good friend who was a year ahead of me at UVM.
He got a teaching job, stayed in town. He was only 22 years old, dude.
And I was 21. And I was like, hey, let's hang out.
We're going out Friday. He's like, can't do that anymore.
He was 22. Can't do that anymore.
Yes. That's basically what I did.
Yes. He is in a, he was, and you were, for whatever reason, I'm not even knocking, you were in a hurry to get to that next phase like mentally of where you were supposed to be at I would advise against it I also was not in a hurry I prolonged it I stayed there a lot longer but the problem with this stage of your life and you may not even listen to me right now young 20s mid-20s or whatever because I don't know that I would listen to somebody who was in his 40s it'd be like that fucking guy who's talking about shark gills and has a boat and fucking no family like fuck him um i didn't want to listen to anybody i don't know that i was capable of listening to anybody but the point is is you right now in your early 20s you have no other frame of reference you've you haven't lived through anything else oh no way shit isn't awesome all the time you just went from yeah you what what pamphlets were you reading and it is also fucked up that you go from for a lot of people their college experience four years of like the greatest like it's basically disneyland for 18 to 22 it's the best time of my life and it's it's those those those years there and the years after i'm telling you like i'll drive around a song will come on i'll think about a moment and i get like weird i'm like god you still miss this so much and so you know despite whether or not you know before college if you had a tough deal at home you know there's plenty of adversity that we can name list but for a lot of people that first like hey this isn't fun all the time there should be a like what what'd think it was? Yeah, there should be a halfway home for people that are getting out of college to transition to the real world.
I love this idea. I think that there's a market.
So I was moving my mom into a senior living facility about a month and a half ago, and she loves it. And the place kicks ass.
I'll be honest with you. It's got restaurants.
It's got bars. They're always hanging out with each other, playing card games, shuffleboard, walking around walking around they're having a great time there needs to be more of that type of facility just for normal adults like especially yeah well especially right out of college like give me a place where it's basically my dorm again and maybe a company even runs it and then they give you shitty jobs at this company you live on their giant campus and they provide everything else for you.
think that would there's there's a business model out there if there's a uh an industrial ceo that that feels like this could we could do some sort of the the reason that would be valuable if i can defend 22 year old me for a second which i'm not really sure i i i care to he feels like a completely different person but um well it's not hard to defend he never got on the court but uh not getting on the court led to me writing a book yeah that's true that's true a four-bedroom house almost a kid almost almost a kid if only what's what's that on zillow right now do you ever double check it i have it has gone up in value since I've sold it and that'll kill you. But I think one of the – so guys, between when you graduate college and when you're about 30, I find that to be the period of time where most men seem to – at least like that I experience.
When dudes are like reaching out to me for whatever reason, I don't know. Like they're saying like, you know, you struggle with mental health, you struggle with this.
Can you help me? They always seem to be in that age range. And I, I think just based on my experience, part of why it's always like guys that age is because up until you graduate college, you have such a structure in your life.
You have people telling you where to go and what to do and when to do it. And yes, when you're in college, you party and you let loose a little bit, but you still have to show up at the 8 a.m.
class every so often

or else you get kicked out and then all the fun goes away.

So you still have these structures.

And then when you get spit out into the world,

I feel like there are two types of people.

And there's the one type of person that's like,

thank fucking God I have no handcuffs now.

I get to be my own.

I get to live my own life.

Do I want to go abroad? Do I want to go? Like I can go do whatever I want. I can move to any city I want.
I can take whatever job I want. If I don't like that job, I can quit.
And some people feel the sense of freedom with that. I felt the exact opposite, which is why I think at 22 years old, I was such an, I was in such a hurry to build some structure, which was like, I need to, I need to grow up.
I need to grow up because I need like these societal benchmarks to dictate like where I need to go. Because if I don't have that, I'm going to be lost at sea, just wandering, trying to figure out what the fuck I'm doing with my life.
Um, so I rushed into it for that reason, but that's what I, I think like there are two different types of people. And I think the people that are more like me are the ones that freak out because you're like, ah, shit.
Now, what do I do right now? I have nobody to tell me where to go. Um, and you panic a little bit.
Yeah. And it also, a couple of things.
One, everyone's freaking out to themselves. You know what I mean? Like that's the, that, that is also part of it is like, that guy's got to figure it out.
I guarantee you that guy's probably sitting there freaking out for some other reason like by the way it's good to freak out it means you want something it means you're holding yourself to a standard so keep going i'm glad you yeah it's just like it's the feeling that everyone else has their shit together and you don't everyone else is walking around looking at you thinking the same thing and that's just that you have to remind yourself of that simple fact that it's hard to do but it really is the truth that everyone is is dealing with their own shit freaking out doesn't like some part of their job doesn't like some part of their relationship where they live whatever everyone has their own no one has the perfect life and even if that person does exist they're a fraud because they're they're basically gary v and they're fucking you know telling everyone to go to their their conference every year and pay $100. That was a shot at Gary Vee.
I think Dan Bilzerian's got it. Dan Bilzerian.
He's got it. I like Gary Vee.
But yeah, anyone who says that their life is perfect is lying to you on social media. Or like that guy that thought he was able to bend time being like, each day is three times.
Yeah, right. Wake up.
Like, stop watching those guys. Cold tub.
Like guys like i watch like as somebody that you know is now successful and i see those dudes i i can't tell you how hard i laugh being like you guys are so full of shit right you're just you're it's not it doesn't work that way like i i'm glad you brought up kind of that that beginning time and again i still think the frame of reference because you don't have like when you're in your 30s, you compare it to your 20s. When you're in your 40s, you compare it to two other decades.
You know, you're in college. You're a fucking kid with a utility bill now.
And you're supposedly an adult because your name's on a utility. And it isn't it isn't true.
And so all of the uncertainty, all the all the stuff that happens, that cocktail of lack of confidence, you're right to point out that it's normal. And I also think like when you're in that early phase, I had the long list of all the things I didn't want to do, but I didn't know what I did want to do.
And nothing has ever happened for me in my life, whether it's the beginning, whether it's getting to ESPN, whether it's leaving ESPN, whether it's being in LA and pursuing all the other things, is that the hardest part is doing all the work that shows no results for years. Right? So like if you're 25 and you're at some job and you've been there right out of college and you're like, I'm not sure this is me.
First thing is no problem. Because as Titus said and PFT, like it isn't even just our parents' generation is the last generation.
Like most of my friends have moved and adapted to whatever's happened with business, especially the guys on the financial side that always feel like they have to kind of stay one step ahead of it. Sometimes it doesn't work out for them.
But if you're in a spot where you're going, oh, this isn't for me. All right.
Okay, cool. What are you doing to prepare yourself for that transition instead of being at a point where it's forced transition? And that's, I think, the thing you always, that's the thing that I think is really lacking for anybody.
Like, all right, you don't like your deal? Okay, what are you doing? What are you doing in your spare time to prepare yourself for having options when your deal becomes untenable? Like, you cannot show up to work anymore. We get emails all the time.
Oh, I get this pit in my stomach when I walk in. When I had to turn the corner and walk into a bar that I was still at, that my friends were coming back up to for our fifth year reunion, I was going to be behind the fucking bar at my own fifth year reunion.
My stomach hurts so fucking bad. And I was like, I can't do this anymore.
I can't. And I had to feel that way before to actually motivate myself to go, what little things are you doing in your spare time to get you ready for the change that you know you want to have? And I think for so many people, it's hard to do all the shit that feels worthless and isn't going anywhere because it's paying zero returns.
But I tell you what, it's way worse to have not done any of that stuff and get zero returns and then be like, oh, my God, I'm out of work on Friday or I need to quit and I have no backup. Yeah, that's a very good point because to the original question where they're talking about how they hate their job and they might feel like they're wasting their time at it, there might be parts of your job that you're doing that are very, very important for whatever step you actually want to take next.
Or as Ryan said- In the job or outside. PFT, tell again because like what weren't you selling siding or something but you were also like thinking about all the stuff that you wanted to do right it was used it was used dogs so i mean i've sold a lot of things i sold uh portable air conditioners tankless water heaters used dogs used cars for a while that was my first job out of college christmas trees van sold pagers.
Pagers. He sort of stuck around in that industry.
Just like dealing with drug dealers all the time. He's still got stock options.
He doesn't know if they're going to invest or not. Yeah, he's one of those cricket wireless trust fund kids.
I've sold a lot of things. It did teach me about human interaction.
There were a lot of parts of it that I hated. Actually, most of it I hated.
But you do learn small interpersonal skills. You learn how to break ice with people pretty easily.
And there's certain things that you pick up, even from a shitty job, that you can then transfer to whatever it is you want to end up doing. Or like Ryan was saying, if you're working, if you're behind a bar, you might feel like, oh shit, everyone's judging me because I'm working in our small town bar.
I haven't gone anywhere. But if you're taking steps outside that towards whatever that future goal is, then your job is not a waste of time at all because it's an investment in allowing you to pursue what it is you want to pursue 5, 10, 20 years from now.
So just because you feel like you're wasting time, there are certain things that you can be doing to make a job that feels like a waste of time actually a really good investment in whatever it is you want to plan down the road it's it's it's back to titus's point where you're college there's structure and it's like okay you you take the class you take the test you get a grade and in jobs like you know you might get one year review but there's a lot of things that you're learning that you don't realize you're learning until way after. We're like, oh, shit, that was actually pretty important to like who I am as a person now.
And it sucks because there are times I remember my first job, I was getting paid thirty thousand dollars and I went my first raise after the first full year. I had already rented an apartment with all my buddies, sick place, my budget because i was like i'm gonna get a sick raise my raise was fifteen hundred dollars and i was just like wait what like it didn't even show up in my paycheck it was so low and it's like but like it just kind of like all right yeah because guess what times are shitty right now doesn't mean you get like just because you worked for a year doesn't mean you get some huge raise.
You don't just get given to you, but the things you learn along the way, like become part of who you are. I also, for the, for the guys who we're talking to, the other piece of advice I'd give is when you're in your twenties, work, work hard, work long hours and party long hours, because you will get to a point where you can't like physically do it.
i i think about you know even the start of this show when when pft and i were both uh like 30 years old like still in like that like it was just every waking minute we were just pushing as hard as we possibly could if you asked us to start it again right now at 38 we wouldn't have that same ability just on a pure energy level.

So just know.

It shows in the episodes.

Just know that you do have.

I mean, we're doing life advice for the fourth year in a row.

Third time four years.

Ryan, you're the best idea that we have for a guest right now.

That's how much we're ghosting.

But you will have that moment.

You will have that moment where you're like, shit don't i don't have the the gas in the tank to do everything i want to do as hard as i was able to do it so do it very do everything really hard when you're in your 20s yeah i agree with that when i was spinning my wheels at a job that i knew was not my future the biggest regret that i would ever have at that job would be when i'd go back to work on that Monday afterwards. And I hadn't done anything over the weekend to progress myself towards what I ultimately wanted to do.
So like, yes, I definitely partied a lot, had a great time in my early twenties, enjoyed the hell out of those. But I always made sure that there was some time that I was setting aside to actually do some work that would help me on the long term.
Because otherwise, you get back to that job that you might hate on Monday and you're like, well, I've made zero progress whatsoever. And that to me was all that was the biggest waste of time that felt like that would set me back mentally.
And then I would get into a ball of stress, anxiety and back in that position of, oh, I'm never going to get where I want to be. So just have some discipline, you know, party hard, work hard, but also you have to set aside, write it down.
That's actually the biggest thing that I took from my early 20s is if you write down what your goal is, what you want to do, and the steps that you have to take to accomplish it, you say, okay, I've got to spend two hours writing on Saturday. Write that down on a piece of paper.
And then you get to cross that off on Saturday, which is a great feeling. And just crossing anything off a list always feels good.
Yeah. It's the A-Rod method where he has a list every morning.
It's like drink coffee. Yeah.
Done. I drink.
I completely agree with PFT on that one. Cause like, you know, whatever stages

I was going through and then I got to like, really not liking myself phase because I was just so

fucking pissed at myself all the time. And thank God I was like, thank God that I wasn't cool with

myself. You know, it was good that I was mad.
I look back. I'm, I, I appreciate that anger.
Cause it was motivating me to be like, are you fucking seriously going to be one of these guys? Like, is this what you're going to do? Cause this is like the path. Like there's not, you can't be 40 and going, Oh, what happened? Because these are the moments right now that are defining those moments.
And I would do the same thing where like every week I had to have done five things that were going to give myself options later on. Then five things became give it like one full day or from whatever the first four hours you're at your apartment.
All you're doing is working on this stuff. And some days, actually, most days were pointless.
There was almost zero return on a lot of those investments. But then there was that one.
And if you don't, you know, the fishing net, like if you don't have any lines in the water, I can guarantee nothing's going to happen for you. But the, the, just the, the idea of potential hope was enough to drive you.
So if you're sitting around bitching about your plot in life and you're younger and you're like, Oh, what about this? What about this? The simple question immediately is like, are you doing literally anything to improve your situation? Are you hitting up a friend who's working in industry that you like? Do you maybe just call them? Shoot. I mean, honestly, I signed up for an email service.
This is like, again, like early internet days. I signed up for some stupid alert that was giving me classified job links that had anything to do with sports.
Honestly, the whole site was a complete scam and a ripoff. But by signing up for it, I was like, all right, did something.
I did something today. And the job part of it is, I'll finish this part real quick.
Landing your dream girl in your early 20s, the likelihood isn't going to happen. There are rarities.
But landing her isn't going to happen probably because you weren't ready. She might be ready because usually they're more mature than us at that stage.
The job thing is the same deal. You may have four or five jobs right at college that all suck, but what the reward will be will be now you truly know what it is that you like to do.
Maybe you like to be in the office. Maybe you don't.
Maybe, hey, I actually like to do this. I like to get on the road.
I don't like being on the road. All these different experiences.
And I just think that you're at such a lost stage at that point in your life because you're like, wait, is this it? And you're like, well, no. Yes and no is like the answer to both of them.
Yeah. Look for a job like you're looking for a woman.
Yeah. And if all else fails, just write a book about being friends with Greg Oden.
Yeah. And that will propel your career forward.
You touched on something there so that i i do think like it it it sucks networking sucks but it is like it's how the world works and so like asking your friends what they're doing and talking to other people and and having those lines in the water we will always come back to help you because you'll be like oh shit i do know someone know someone who does this. Or I have a connection to this.
And keeping those lines always open will eventually pay you back, even though it does suck. It sucks having to be fake nice and drinks with someone who you're never going to get a job from and all that shit.
But it happens. It does.
It sucks. Networking.
Ryan, I know like networking it sucks but i'm the worst at it but i admire like i'm both uh i i'll let titus finish there but like when i see somebody who i'm like oh you're a real rolodex guy right and and i'll see and it'll be like they'll be attempting to do it to me right like oh you're a connector so now you're actually it's not about you doing the favor. It's you looking better that you can connect me to somebody else.
And then all this, and I despise it yet still I'm sort of envious of the ability to, because I've never been able to do it. And I'm going to continue to be bad at Titus.
Russillo and I are terrible at this. It's one thing that we never talk about because we don't reach out to each other.
But if we did, If we did spend a lot of time talking to each other, um, but so I would say to learn from my mistake, cause this is something that I, I viewed networking as kissing ass. And I think it's important for younger people.
Um, if you're someone like me, that's just like trying to be jaded and trying to be like, I don't know, like you're too cool for school. Um, I don't, I, I think looking back on it, I wish that I had like a slight attitude adjustment.
Uh, I don't know, like you're too cool for school. I don't I think looking back on it, I wish that I had like a slight attitude adjustment and didn't see networking as ass kissing, which is like networking to an extreme level, you know.
But that was kind of how like I was like, I don't want to play that. Why would I fucking call this guy who I don't really know? And like, why would I go to that happy hour with the employee? Like, I don't really love those people.
Like, why would I, you know, and I don't want to come across as an ass kicker kisser. And if I have to kiss this guy's ass to get the job, to get the thing, then I don't even want it.
Um, but there's a middle ground and the middle ground is like actually being sociable with people and like getting to know people. And, um, yeah, that's something I wish I learned a lot younger that like, just because you're networking doesn't mean you're now a kiss ass.
Yeah. This might be a no duh to a lot of people out there that are good networkers, but if you're a bad networker, and I know I was a terrible networker, especially in my early twenties, you have to understand that networking means that you're not reaching out to somebody and they're not going to wave the magic wand and give you everything that you want.
It's like you have to care about what it is the other person wants, too. And then you have to genuinely be able to help them with something they need.
And then they will help you with something that you need. So it's not you can't approach it just strictly.
I'm going to go to this networking event and get the job of my dreams. You know, you have to you have to look at it from somebody else's point of view, what makes their life easier? Can you help them with anything? In fact, the best networkers that I know, the good Rolodex guys that I know, they are just awesome at proactively hitting me up with something that they know that I will, I will be interested in something that could help me out in some way.
And then if there's anything that ever comes across my mind where it's like oh that would be perfect for this guy i'll give that person a call immediately i'll give them what they want because they've done a great job at understanding what my motivation is yeah and it's it's it's a great point pft because it is like titus and rousseau like it does feel dirty and it looks like kiss ass and it sucks but if you just just, if you, if you think about it differently where you're just like, I'm just, I'm just connecting to, you know, more people and it's, it doesn't have to be asking for something. It doesn't have to be getting something in return, but you'll find points in your life where you're like, Oh, like people will hit me up all the time being like, Hey, do you know this person? Yeah, of course.
Like, you know, like that, that that's just how kind of the world goes around what my biggest problem with it and and this is uh i need therapy for it is what i i i don't reach out to people because uh i just assume that no one wants to fucking hear from me like that that and that is that is something that i think is a struggle that like if i was to to you know like dan if i'm watching justin fields you know on a sunday um and i'm an ohio state guy so i i have a vested interest in justin fields being a great quarterback for the bears i feel like i should have been texting you last year as this was going on but i'm also like i'm sure he's got a million fucking things going on and i'm sure there's a million people blowing up why why would i would I reach out? So like, I would hesitate to do that at times. And I don't understand.
I don't, I've never been good at like getting over that mental hurdle of, uh, I really struggle with, uh, just also with like the friends that I have that, that play professional sports. Most of them are in the NBA.
Um, like Mike Conley is like the nicest guy on planet earth. And Mike Conley is, is a guy that I've known for well over half my life at this point.
I know that if I texted Mike Conley, he would love to hear from me. I also just have this thing in the back of my mind.
It's like Mike Conley is living a far more interesting life than wanting to hear from fucking me. Mike Conley is in a playoff run right now.
Why in God's name would I text him good game last night, bro? They get eliminated. Yeah, I know.
They beat the Nuggets. They beat the Nuggets.
The legacy continues to grow as the Nuggets are rolling. They won one game.
Mark, you should text him. You should text him right now.
You should text him right now. Text him right now.
Yeah, but do it in a cool way that's indifferent be like how's that nuggets series going yeah so damn aware of what he's doing but not um no so i think against them that's the that's one of my issues with networking is it's it boils down to like self-confidence i guess of just like what do i how am i like bettering this person's life like how is them getting a text for me bettering their life? It's probably not. So I'm not going to send it.
And that's something I've really, really struggled. Yeah.
No, you, you completely open and honest. You, I mean, I consider you a good friend and I don't think there's ever been a text message conversation that I didn't start.
Yeah. And I love, and every time you text me, I get excited and I'm like, Oh, it's cool.
I guess I get to talk to Dan now, but I don't know. But then I get the reputation as being, you know, standoffish and not sociable and all that sort of thing.
And really it's just like my own insecurities bubbling over. But as it pertains, like I struggle with that with friendships, but as it pertains to like the career side of things, I don't know.
I just like don't have that gene in to like do that and that's one of the things i'm i i struggle with i try to do better at so i think one thing that that's helped me over the years because mark i've i've felt the same way a lot of my life um just the uh the idea that people do want to help other people yeah for the most part so like if you had a question or anything for me about like i know you're gonna be moving to chicago i don't know anything about chicago i don't know why you'd ask me anything you're way more familiar with the city than i am but if you had like a question like oh what grocery store are you shopping at in your neighborhood is it good i would i would be like very happy to reply to that and be like oh great i get to help mark so you just have to like keep that in the back of your head that your friends do want to help you with things don't feel bad about the logic the logic is the logic is completely fucked because when people text me i do get excited and i'm like oh it's good to hear from this person i haven't heard from in a long time but then like i never think that it would work the other way um but yeah that's just that's i don't know we're getting off we're maybe getting off networking no no that was something that uh i think it's it's i mean people like to answer questions just a heads up keep just keep me off of that grocery thread yeah yeah but no what pft said it's i mean it's it's like probably the fault of of many men like whenever you know when you get asked a question that you don't even know the answer to and you'll just answer it just like you know being like oh yeah i know this just because you don't want to say like people like to answer a question maybe just start shooting like layups to everyone just being like mike conley like what's your birthday oh yeah that's right it is okay yeah yeah you're right it is that how's the family how's the family doing mike mike i'm thinking about buying a car what kind of car do you drive yeah right you would love to answer that those are the best because then you get to like yeah he gets to to be like oh yeah i'm driving this sick car like the layups are people like answering questions like that they know the answer to also you should be like what's up mike conley you should refer to him with his full name when you text him yeah i've got a question for you guys um because we were talking earlier about just like kind of self-discovery we're kind of hovering around that topic a little bit i always hear people talking about finding themselves like i went for a vacation europe to find myself i went backpacking across the usa to find myself so went to montana yeah he went to montana found i'm not gonna say it um but oh it was when it comes to finding finding yourself, that's a concept I've never really completely understood.

I think I've always taken it to mean just become happy, just get happy.

I don't know what finding yourself means, but a lot of people spend a lot of time in

different transition of their lives worrying about finding who they truly are.

And I don't know what that means to you guys.

And it's something that I've been wondering for actually a long time because I don't understand

the concept of it.

All right. who they truly are.
And I don't know what that means to you guys. And it's something that I've been wondering for, for actually like a long time, cause I don't understand the concept of it.
Uh, I, I feel comfortable answering this cause this is something that I've spent a lot of time thinking about. Um, I think for me, finding myself, the idea of finding yourself is like more finding your place in the world, more finding out like what it is, uh, what, what is your purpose for being here? What is something for, for me, it was like almost finding something outside of myself more than finding myself.
Like, cause what, what is it that, that keeps getting me up and every morning and what keeps me going and all that sort of thing. Um, and I think like you, you brought up like happiness PFT.
I think to me, like finding myself was, was leaning less into finding happiness and more into finding fulfillment and trying to figure out what it is. I think those are two very different things.
I have honed in on that. A lot of the things that I was doing in my 20s and early 30s, they were things that did make me happy in the moment I was doing them, but I would go to bed at night and not feel like I'm fulfilled in some way.
And I think like the process of me trying to find myself was trying to figure, which, which kind of goes back to like me saying, I know I want to be a dad because like no part of me wants to change diapers and wake up in the middle of the night with crying kids and like have like a whole nother fucking living being that I now have to take care of. As I sit here today, living by the beach in Los Angeles, that does not sound exciting.
That does not sound fun, but I know like deep down that is part of my fulfillment process that like, I think, I think that that's what I need to like, feel like my life and my purpose on this earth is like fulfilled. So I think that's, that's how I would define it as like trying to figure out less what like what puts a smile on your face and more of what makes you feel like a whole person and makes your identity make more sense to you.

That's a good answer.

Know your why.

Lucille?

No, that was a good answer.

I think it's a really complicated thing to answer. I think we all hope that we're building towards these places in our own timeline where it's like, oh, once I get to here, then I'm going to feel this way.

Right.

And then once I'm here, I'm going to feel this way.

And I think the big joke about life is all that stuff's bullshit.

Like the amount of stuff that I thought was a certainty when I was in my 20s later on, I was like, oh, my God, that's that's stupid.

And then you get a little bit older or whatever.

I think from I think there's one part of it where it's it's.

Hey, I know myself.

Right.

All right. And then you get a little bit older or whatever.
I think there's one part of it where it's, hey, I know myself, right? All of us know ourselves better than anyone. If you think about how weird that is, like who knows you better than you? Well, no one.
Because you're the one that has all the thoughts and you're the one that really knows how things make you feel, good or bad. And so this, this, like this peak of understanding or fulfillment or happiness, like from this point on, I think it's pretty delusional because the way it's sold to us is that from that point on now, everything makes sense or this, this point on, everything's going to be easy.
It's like, no, you're probably just more conditioned to deal with the challenges because you've already had so many challenges in the past. So maybe you don't get rattled and not getting rattled is actually you finding yourself and being happier or just having a higher low as it was before when you haven't had as many life experiences and you're getting so rattled by it because you're like, wait, I don't think this is really weird.
It's kind of like being dumped a third time. Like the first one may really fuck you up.
Second time you're like, all right, I remember this. This isn't a great feeling.
The third one you're like, all right, look who's single again, you know, like, cause you just, you've been through it enough. And then the last part on like this finding yourself, um, I don't think I personally am that impressionable.
Like, I don't know that can be, maybe gullible is too hard of a word, but I don't think I'll ever have a moment where it's like, yep, now I get it. For me, that moment doesn't really exist.
I know myself now. I know how I'll react to certain things.
I have other goals. I have things I hope that happen.
If they don't,

I'm much more suited to handle it now than I would have in my twenties because I've already gone through a lot of this stuff.

So that,

that moment that Xanadu,

uh,

cool.

Go for it.

I'm not quite sure it exists the way we think it will when we're young.

Unless you'd go to like South America and drink ayahuasca for three days.

And then that,

that actually sounds like finding yourself.

Yeah.

The,

yeah,

I don't,

I don't think there's an aha moment either.

I think it's just like a slow build of lessons you pick up along the way. I think it's- Right, but the problem with the drug part of it, not to be the anti-drug guy, but like in the moment you may feel that way.
Right. And then the shit wears off and you're like, oh, remember when I thought everything was going to be different two days ago? Yeah.
Yeah. That's called eating mushrooms.
Yeah. I should go take that drug again.
Could you go to Joshua Tree? Do you really think when you go there that like a couple days after that visit, like everything's fucking different? Yeah. Like that's kind of ridiculous.
Like that place would be way more popular if it had that long of an impact on the rest of your life although if enough it's pretty popular now enough people had taken acid in the 60s who knows there was that there there wasn't there was a moment where maybe if enough people had done it the whole world would have been different i i think finding yourself is i agree with you guys not an aha moment's a slow burn. And I actually think it's all about like real confidence because you, as you get older, you start looking back and you're like, that was totally fake confidence.
And then eventually you get to a point where you're like, I'm confident in myself. Like I'm confident in who I am.
And I know when I fuck up, I know when I do good things and having that like real confidence where little things don't bother you as much and you just know like hey this is how i'm living my life and i i think i'm doing a good job at it and and yeah there'll still be bumps it's not boom everything changes like we're still was saying it's is is a complete fraud like that aha moment but that that feeling of getting to a point where you're like, okay, this is what real confidence does feel like. And knowing what the fake confidence felt like when you were going through all those changes and being like, yeah, wait, that really what I was kind of putting on a front there.
Like I was covering up some stuff. I was, I was acting a way that was not really truly me.
And maybe it's as simple as like, you know, when people are like, hey, you want to go out for beer? Like, no. I'm confident in myself.
No, I'm good. I think being confident in yourself is turning inward, too.
And I think the part of being younger is, as you said, Dan, like having the brash, just having an attitude of like wanting to put off a certain aura to everybody around you. And you do reach a certain age and it's not an aha moment but there is like a shift that happens for me it was in between 30 and 35 like it started to uh which i think the guy who came up with the 18 to 34 year old demographic and then 35 starts a new demographic that guy's a fucking genius because i feel like something did change like once i turned 35 um i think it's less about like trying to solve or trying to like tweak your image to the outside world and you get to a point where you start getting more worried or more focused on like just when you look in the mirror what do you see and when you're going to bed at night and you're staring at the ceiling like what are what are you good with who good with who you are, what you think? And like all that sort of thing.
And I think that's what finding yourself is. It's like, you ultimately get to a point where you're like, honestly, I might not be for everybody.
You know, there are going to be people that think I'm annoyed that, you know, and like I said, I do struggle with that. Like, I don't want to text people and like the outward part of my life is still a struggle for me.
Cause I do sometimes think that I'm a bother to people and all that thing but in inward like i'm totally fine with like who i am what i believe uh how much money i make how famous i am um like all that sort of shit like you get to a point where you're just securing it

and i think that's the process it's kind of like there it's it's to a shitty analogy would be like

with the confidence thing for the first you know whatever however many years your life it's like

you're you're trying to drive a car really fast and then you kind of hit a point where you're like, I'm just kind of in this car. Like, I'm just I'm in the passenger seat.
I'm good. Like, like things will happen.
Friends will come. Friends will go.
New experience. We'll get there when we get there.
There's no need to. Yeah.
You just have a again. It is not aha.
And it does take gradual time because you you'll have moments in that path where you'd be like, oh, I really have the confidence now again, probably fake.

But you do eventually get to a point where you feel comfortable with yourself and everything kind of floats away a little bit where it's like, you know, you can just deal with situations in a different way that feels like you just are yourself at all times. We're going to get back to the life episode in a second.
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And now, here's more life with Ryan and Mark. Was there a moment for any of you guys? Because there is no aha moment.
I agree with that 100%. But there are a lot of little moments that add up into making you who you are at any given time.
Was there a moment, looking back on it, that you knew was a very important choice or an important thing that you did? That you agree like, now, that was a small aha moment that built me up into what I am right now good question uh one moment that i look back on was when i stepped on the scale and i weighed 50 pounds more than i thought i was going to weigh that's every day bro that's every day bro that kind of started a uh that was one definitive moment my new trick by the way i was like just as a sidestep because i want to hear this story, but when I weigh myself at the gym, I'll make sure that I'm holding all four towels before I go to the shower. So I can be like, those are probably each five pounds.
So I'm good. I knew I was fat, but then I had an idea what the number might be.
And I stepped, I was like, it's going to be a really high number. And then I stepped on it.
It was about 50 pounds more than i thought it was gonna be i was like jesus yeah wait so how long had you gone from the previous time had you just not wanted to step on a scale then yeah i just didn't yeah it probably been a few years honestly that's crazy like i knew i'd put on a few pounds um but it didn't really fully and then one day i was like uh i actually got emasculated an ohio state basketball event uh i i got called out for being fat basically which like i was totally fine with because it was like all the dudes i played with and we all bust each other's balls and you know that's i literally wrote a book like telling some stories about these guys that uh how many times am i going to mention i wrote a book by the way um i feel like that's going to be your publisher's going to reach out and go, hey, we sold way more. What happened?

But, yeah, there we go. I was, I was, you know, I was fine.
I was fine with it. You know, I kind of made my own bed in that regard, but like guys were coming at me and how fat I was.
So I went home and I was like, am I that fat? Like, I just thought I was like a little bigger, you know, I thought like, after you get done playing basketball, you get bigger, you know, like magic Johnson's a little bigger than he was when he played, like, you know, it just kind of happens. Um, and then I weighed myself and I was like, geez.
So, and then that started that honest to God, like a jokes aside that did start like a personal discovery path for me. It really did.
Like I started like, like I, I am, I, my life is out of control and I just kind of like slowly, I started identifying. I was like, if I can weigh 50 pounds more than I thought I weighed, what other things in my life have I completely lost track of? Like how I'm treating people and relationships and all this sort of thing.
And yeah, so I don't know if that answers the question, but that was one definitive moment. I vividly remember stepping on the scale and being like, fuck me.
This is bad. Yeah.
I have a lighter one if you want me to go in between Titus and Roussel. Was that a weight joke? No, it was not.
I actually think that when I was 12 years old, I was on a family vacation, and I won a $100 on a turtle race in Key West, Florida, and I was like, damn, that was fun. I liked that.
And I actually probably should look back and realize like, yeah, that was probably the moment where I was like, I like this. This is fun.
This is the thing. This is the thing I like more than anything else, pretty much.
So yeah, that probably would be the moment where I found myself. I was like, fuck that rocked.
My turtle went faster. If that turtle had been just like half a step slower.
Never gamble my life. This podcast would not exist.
That's the ultimate. It's the turtle effect.
Yeah. I also went, I think it was 1994 or 5.
I went 16 for 16 in the first day of the tournament and 15 for 16 in the second day of the tournament in my bracket and i was like this rocks so those two moments probably

are the two moments where i'm like that was awesome

i uh i have i have a couple i don't know one's one's a little heavier one's a little lighter

i'll do the heavier one first uh is that a weight choke

Thank you. don't know one's one's a little heavier one's a little lighter i'll do the heavier one first uh is that a weight joke did you get it later you know one of the things that i i think is great about the mental health awareness stuff is that you know it makes people that feel like they're alone realize they're not alone right i think there's also and i don't know how popular this would be I think there's also a slight lane where it's like hey I'm bummed out fucking deal with it and get out of my way where when I was going through my mid-20s and you know I go from still being in your college town to taking this baseball gig that I was like, every week I showed up to work, I was getting, I was broker and broker.
Like it, it cost me more money to stay there than it did to actually do the job because they totally lied to me about how the commissions work and all this stuff. But I was in my first on air gig.
And you know, back then you needed more than a laptop to just be on the air. And so then I proposed to my girlfriend.
She said no. So we had a couple things not working out.
This is 2002, right? The famous 2002 year. It's 2002.
2002 again. Yeah.
Real historians know. I do.
And I was really, really miserable. I was sad.
You know, I was pretty fucking bummed out, man. I was pretty bummed out.
But then I started realizing that I kind of enjoyed being bummed out because then it gave me an excuse to do nothing. Right.
Like, Hey, maybe you should start working. No, can't dude.
like I'm just not there. And I started being so comfortable with it that I'm at least glad that I, I was like, okay, wait a minute.
Like you may not be super happy and get through this, this phase, but this isn't an excuse for everything. It's not an excuse for you to be shitty to your siblings.
It's not an excuse to like lose, lose touch. It's, it's not an excuse to have your parents like have to fucking cater to every whim that you have because they know that you're hurting right now.
And once I kind of realized like, Hey, do you, do you like this? Do you like being bummed out? So therefore you have an excuse. It kind of made me look at myself a little bit differently.
And then I'd say the more light one is just being at ESPN. And in the first few years with Van Pelt, they all wanted to replace me other than Van Pelt.
Every time the show was bad, it was my fault. When the show was good, it was because of him.
It was absurd, on and on and on. Bad contract offers,, all the stuff wouldn't put my name on the show.
Wouldn't make me a full-time employee. Didn't have health benefits for like the first, uh, I think fucking two or three years on the show.
I mean, all of this stuff and everything was designed to try to get me to quit. And so I started, and this sucks when you're an on air person, you start thinking like, wait, do I suck? Like I'm surrounded by managers that all keep telling me I suck in one version of another.
And based on the offers that they're giving me, instead of just being fair and making me a fucking employee, they had to fuck with me at every single turn. And I was like, you know what? I actually think I'm good.
And if I stay in this role long enough, I'll still have more. I'll gain more staying on the afternoon show at ESPN

radio than I will in anything else.

And they kind of know it. It'd be nice if they could just

be fair and I could go to the fucking dentist.

But no,

they're not going to do that. But I had

a real epiphany as an on-air person, which

I think anybody pursuing the on-air stuff is,

unless you're lying to yourself. But there was

a moment where I just, and it happened too

late for me, but there was a moment where I went, hey, you know what? I'm fucking good. Yeah.
I was like, I'm just good at this. I'm good at this job.
Yeah. I've listened now to everybody else.
I've listened to the people that are supposedly 10 times better than me. There are people that are better at me than this.
I think this guy's better at doing radio. I think this person interviews, but the collection of what I am now at this point, my abilities, I was like, I'm fucking fucking good so I know I when I show up here I've got 10 different people looking at me wishing they could replace me because I'm just not famous enough which is a whole other conversation but once I had that like moment a real zen moment of as an on-air person or anyone who's performing or writing or doing these any kind of things like once you now you could also be lying to yourself too so there's's probably some people listen to be like, I think you suck and you're full of shit.
Right. Cause you know, it's all a taste thing, but for some of the more creative careers, when you get to this like level where you're just so confident in your abilities, and honestly, it doesn't have to just be the creative stuff.
It could be somebody who's working in a corporate, but once you're like, hey, you know what? I'm pretty fucking good at this. I think you become even better because now you've like not self-acceptance, but it's this moment of like, hey, all the uncertainty of like, am I doing a good job? Am I not doing a good job? Once you stop thinking about that stuff, it frees up all this other room to just continue to execute and be even better at whatever it is you're doing.
Yeah. And I go, going back to what we were talking about with the guy in his first job and all that sort of thing.
And how like you're, you're, when you're that young, you're working with so few data points. I think part of that Rosillo is that as you get older, um, I, I almost liken the jobs that we do to being like baseball players where like every show we're, we, we, we both are all, all four of us.
Uh, we, we talk so goddamn much for a living. This is what we do to being like baseball players where like every show we're we we both are all all four of us uh we we talk so goddamn much for a living this is what we do we talk there's so many times we make so many jokes we may have so many takes um not all of them hit some of them are good some of them are bad whatever and i think when you're starting out in in this job or any other job uh when you have fewer data points you're first at bat in the big leagues you strike out you're like i suck i obviously i have one i had one at bat i threw a fastball right down the dick and i let it go by i i obviously am not built for this once you've been in the majors for five or six years and you have some things you look back on and you're like yeah i had that one great play and this this and that if you go through a slump or whatever you get a bit more secure with like your abilities and yeah once once you've like convinced yourself i am good at this then you can handle striking out five straight at bats you know and it's not as it's not as big of a deal to you if people on the internet say you suck and whatever whatever else you have to deal with uh because you come a little more secure with it all i don't know that no it's it's a great point both of you like pft and i had this with this show like i think if you look at the beginning of part of my take we structured everything so meticulously and like then we're going to talk about this and then talk about that and then we hit a point where like i we're good at this and people want to just listen to us just be friends and talk sports and it like it completely opened it up to a different show that i think is like great because of that where it's like you don't have to have every next step planned.
And once you realize, hey, I'm good at this job, it does open you up to be like, I can do this. And it's a lot of small dubs along the way.
Life is about stacking small dubs until it eventually reaches a point where you do have that baseline set of confidence that you can go out and get another small dub. Right.
You're not going to hit a home run every time, but if you know that you can make contact back to your baseball analogy, Mark, it makes the ability to hit a home run that much easier. Yeah.
Yeah. Um, going, going another aha moment I just thought of was, uh, I think I've told, told the story on this show or I, a million shows, but I'll do it again here.
Uh, Van P speaking of Van Pelt, it was the 2016, I believe, NCAA tournament, and I was working at Grantland, and Van Pelt reached out to me and was like, we're going to do a bracket special show at ESPN, and we want to fly you in because you're under contract. I think Grantland might have been, have had dissolved by this point, because I think that was 2015.
I think that was Halloween 2015, but I was still under ESPN contract. Did you have health benefits? I honestly, I think at that age, I don't even know if I would have realized if I did or not.
I think health benefits to a kid that's as young as I was was like, what the fuck am I going to do with this? But I probably did. I don't know.

I was still in a contract, so Vamp Helt flies me up.

He's like, we're going to do a selection show from Bristol.

We want you there.

Come be a part of the broadcast.

So I come up to Bristol.

I was really excited about it at first.

And then I'm there in the production meeting, and he tells me it's going to be,

I think it was Jay Billis. I know it was Jay Billis, and I think it was Carol Lawson at the time when she was at ESPN.
And it was going to be me. And then obviously Scott, we were going to be the four on-air talent for this deal.
Only two Duke people? Yeah. Shocking.
And I had done a few hits with him at this point. and I'd done a little tv stuff but like by no means was i a television person or an on-air guy or anything like that and my excitement like in this pre-production meeting or this production meeting uh my excitement had gone from or my emotion had gone from being excited about the opportunity and like holy shit this is gonna be awesome my boys are gonna see me on usb for an hour for the selection show.
So like, holy shit, I am not qualified for this at all. What am I doing here? And Van Pell gave me the best piece of advice.
I will always remember it. I've told the story a million times, but here's a million and one.
He could sense that I was nervous and he just pulled me aside. He was like, hey, man, I don't need you to be Jay Billis.
We didn't call you to come up here. And I didn't reach out to you to be here so you could go out there and just try to be Jay Billis.
I have Jay Billis here to be Jay Billis. I want you to be Mark Titus.
And if you do that, we're going to have a great show. And it felt like a thousand pound weight just melted off of me.
And I honest to God, I think about that. Even now at 35 years old, all these years later, whenever I'm having a bad you know, you know, self doubt of like my spot and my, my career, like my, you know, like what, what are the podcast charts saying? Or like, what are my bought, whatever.
I just take like a deep breath and I do think about that. And I'm like, at the end of the day, if I just continue to like do what I think is good and I know I'm good, um, the rest of it will take care of itself.
So that was another aha moment for me. And we all love Scott.
So I thought I would give him a shout out. It's interesting to think about because a lot of times you don't think about the impact that what you tell other people, you don't think about the impact that it's going to have on them.
But there's so many points in my life that were completely changed by somebody telling me like, Hey, I believe in you. You're good at this.
And they, but for Scott Iott van pel to not say i i want you here because i think someday you might be xyz he was like i want you here because right now i see you as this i don't know that was just super fucking valuable it's i mean uh now three of our bosses dave portnoy not not a big compliments guy i don't know if anyone has realized that but i still remember the only compliment he pretty much ever gave me. I wrote a blog in like 2013, 2012, and he just emailed me good blog.
And I was like, oh shit. I'm like, oh, so that was good.
Okay. And I literally, that, that gave me the confidence.
So it's like what PFT was getting at, like it's also pay it forward, you know, tell other people, like I try to do that with guys and girls at the office. Like, if they do something good, it doesn't take anything to tell someone they did a good job.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it's very easy.
It's not a heavy lift. And it probably means a lot more to them than you realize in the moment.
Because even Dave just saying good blog was like, oh, my God, this is fucking awesome. Yeah.
Holy shit. If something makes me laugh, I try to tell the person that was very funny yeah or like you're really good at that because that that can have a big impact on how they feel about themselves that can change everything yeah like i still remember my one of my big moments in my life was just barely getting into a comedy writing class my senior year of college and i had done like i do everything everything else.
I waited to the very last second to fill out my schedule. Didn't apply for any classes.
That class was all filled up. I emailed the professor.
His name's Inman Majors. Great teacher.
And he wrote me back. He's like, I'll let you to this class.
No problem. First day of class, he asks us to write something.
We turn in and I was walking out of the room and he goes, hey, that was funny. You're a funny writer.
Yeah. And that moment right there, that was the only class that I cared about for the rest of my college career.
That tiny little praise that he gave me gave me confidence to be like, well, maybe I should pursue a career in comedy writing that changed the entire trajectory of my life. So I always try to if something makes me laugh, I'll just tell the person like, hey, like hey that was awesome good job and you never know it's important to pay it forward because you never know what that person's going to end up doing for the rest of their life yeah do you regret it if you find out the person sucks oh getting a compliment from a shithead whose car is backing no no by the way no the other way around complimenting somebody that you're like three months later you see a few more yeah no that's that's also happened to me yes that has happened to me and uh and i get shit on a lot for certain instances of that and that i'll leave it i'll leave it there yeah after the show van pelt told me you should have been jay billis as it turns out what about the we would have been a much better like if bill if bill cosby been like, hey, man, I think you're very talented.

And then you find out like 10 years later what Bill Cosby was up to.

Or you're like, oh, my God.

What are you seeing me?

Yeah, but then the reverse.

That's a different version of what we're talking about.

There was an art teacher somewhere in fucking Germany or whatever in 1917.

He was like, you suck at painting.

Yeah.

So he just said like, hey, you're a good painter. Things could have been different.
Or maybe the art teacher said, I don't need you to be Leonardo da Vinci. Leonardo da Vinci is already being Adolf Hitler.
Being Adolf Hitler will be good enough. Oh, shit.
Good point. Do you know that when FDR was taking a ship across the Atlantic to set up for this meeting during World War II in Africa, not the one in Tehran, but they did a demonstration out at water and they almost torpedoed the ship that FDR was on from a US sub.
It actually was heading towards it, and they had to find a way to detonate it

before it destroyed the ship and killed the president.

Our armed forces almost killed our own president

as he was shipping across the Atlantic.

All-time Jimbo right there.

I got a fun fact for you that I gave to PFT last night,

Rassil.

You'll like this.

Do you know who the first American

to find out that Joseph Stalin died?

Mickey Mantle. Johnny Cash.
Look it up. He was in the armed forces.
He was a decoder doing Morse code in Germany after the war. I feel like that's not true.
It's definitely true. Go look it up.
But no, PFT is exactly right. That was a great point that telling people just good job and like and getting to a point where you because that also comes back to the whole confidence thing because when you're younger telling someone good job or that was funny you're you're like i'm never gonna do that like then like i'm telling them they're funnier than me like fuck that you get to a point where you're like give no i dm these actresses all the time Andes all the time.
I can't believe. Sydney Sweeney, great job.
I can't believe. Yeah, like you were so good on Love Island.
Yeah, Max, you're funny. Yeah, you are funny, Max.
You're so funny when you lose. Memes.
Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.
No, all right. I got some quick hitters for us.
One guy said bunch of these are these are good how to balance your friends caring about politics versus not caring about politics thought that would be a good one coming up if you're we're gonna have a year where someone who cares about politics uh you should just know that your friends that don't care about politics probably hate you that's a good one i would i would say i would say like it just like i don't i don't know like maybe just this is a good time to split up the friend group or something because like i can't imagine i i like when you said that to me dan i read it i was like i don't i cannot imagine like two dudes that are like great friends and one of them's like very heavily into this shit and and is is just living on twitter firing off tweets about whatever grievance they have of the day and the other guy's like yeah bro i don't really care like i can't imagine how those two people get along right so i i think you just throw up your hands and you're like all right this friendship isn't for me anymore that's what i would do i don't know if i had a friend i also just i think it's as simple as just if if you know you disagree that much just don't talk about it don't talk like it's okay to be friends with someone and not talk about that stuff yeah that's true too yeah i've got a lot of friends that i disagree with about stuff like that we just you learn not so it's not productive no one's no one's gonna change anybody's mind in 2023 it's just we all we all kind of are who we are at this point our country's like 49 every election isn't that fucking weird yeah how you can have two candidates that could not be less alike and they'll always end up getting 49 of the vote both of them yeah there's just like two people that live in this country and if if you don't get along with the other person when it comes to certain things then just don't bring up those things but also with politics it's gotten i feel like the word politics has changed because now like politics at any given moment just means the things that any politician happens to care about at that time. Yeah.
And so what might be politics for somebody is just somebody else's life. So I don't, I don't know where to draw the line.
Like what is politics just means having an opinion. I also, you're like, I think like if you tell your buddy like i think mb should have won mvp and they're like whoa dude let's not bring that's very well i also i also think that uh i never understood the people american who are like i found out one of my friends thinks this so i had to stop being friends with him like maybe i'm naive but i i don't really talk politics at all with any of my friends but i also know some of my friends think differently than me and that's a good thing like that's a very good thing yeah i interpret that you're right i interpreted the question as like my buddy is super into politics and talks about it to me all the time and i don't give a fuck what do i do and i'm like you know that yeah let's stop talking about it or like i guess you just don't be friends with the guy i don't know what else to ryan when you're getting i should have said it the economy i said taxes then i became the only guy in the country apparently that cares about taxes which is really i'm surprised i'm not getting booked on more shows ryan when when you invited your friend to go with you on a vacation to washington dc in january 2021 and then it turned into a big political thing did that ruin that friendship i remember i i think i think you guys did it too like i already taped the pod that morning and you know, usually an hour or two before it goes live.

And I tweeted out the link and it was January 6th.

It was like, oh, figures that you would release your pod on January 6th.

And I'm like, look, if anybody can tell me that boots on the ground, that somebody goes, hey, Rusillo released his pod.

Let's rethink what we're doing.

If the release of my pod are like, hey, guys, Rosillo isn't releasing his podcast today. Let's pack up.
Let's pack up and let's go back. Then I would have done whatever it could have been.
I think what I look at with all the politics stuff is that I'm actually not very political. I think the extremes at both sides, like you're such fucking hypocrites because the same stuff that like one candidate would do that you're going to spend all time tweeting about if your guy does it then you're going to defend it it's the same shit as like most sixers arguments honestly so um i i just i don't have really much patience for i remember one time i was out to dinner or we're having drinks with mcshay and one of his buddies i guess it's like super political and I barely knew him.
And there was something about like the killing of Osama bin Laden. And I was like, well, I imagine like whoever was in power would have done it.
And he was like, are you kidding me? He's like, but you said emphatically. And I was like, it was like warming up with 315 on the bench.
I was like, holy shit, dude. I was like, I just kind of had like a layman's approach.

I wasn't read up on it.

So I'm not presenting this as fact later on that, like, you know, if you had a chance to take up a terrorist, that's probably a pretty high approval rating move. And that probably anybody in office would have done it.

Again, I'm just kind of thinking like out loud of how I was thinking it.

You would have thought I insulted his wife and the wife's sister and everything.

And it was like looted.

Like, I couldn't fucking believe it. And I turned to McShay.
I go, what's that all about? And he's like, oh, did you talk politics? Yeah. He goes, don't.
He goes, don't. None of us will.
I can't stand it. It's fucking brutal.
I mean, look, this encounter I think was like 15 years ago. And I've still never forgotten it because this was like pre-Twitter and all this stuff.
I guess what I'd ask is those of you that have tweeted about politics nonstop for eight to 10 years or four or two or six. Has it been worth it? What's changed? Yeah, right.
Like, do you look back at all the time on that going really good use of time? Yeah. Really good use of time.
Yeah. I can never imagine.
I could never imagine unless your sole goal was to have a certain following because some people have, you know, weaponized a lot of this stuff, turned it into this massive following. Then they can pretend that they have some sort of presence when they say like featured on.
It's like featured what? Like somebody replied to a fucking tweet. So I get that there's a lane there for people that can kind of find their niche with content but now we're kind of on to something else i personally would would have to do like a real hard hey we're not doing this like if we want to be buddies and it's not even that maybe i even oppose you i just think of this as a topic i'm not interested in and you think that i I'm supposed to be.
All right. Next one.
Underrated vacation destination activities or spots. I thought that was good.
I got a good one. Yeah.
Medieval Times. Medieval Times.
Medieval Times is the best place in the world. It is so fun.
You go there. They give you a turkey leg the size of your torso.
They give you flagons of ale. ale they fucking bring you flagons of ale then you get to watch knights beat the shit out of each other who cares it might be i i it tastes good because i'm watching a sword fight while i'm eating it and if it's not good i just tell myself wait this is what food tasted like in the year 1100 and then all of a sudden it's like okay i'm really getting into this vibe right now medieval times is the best place on earth i'm actually mad at myself for not going a single time to the one out in new jersey since i've lived in new york because i always have some of the best times in my life have been had at a medieval times that's a good one i i uh i'll draw out i i i'm not a huge vacation guy like hank is he's on vacation right now.
I love going to just pick a city and just no real plan, being like, I'm going to walk around this city for three days, long weekend, done it in a bunch of great cities. Wait, when's the last time you even did this? I did, well, now with kids, but I've done Seattle, Portland, Toronto.
So you just fly? You just fly? No, like I'll go to dinners and shit, but I'm saying like walking around a city. With who? What? With my wife.
So like if someone stops you. Yeah, no, I'm not doing it by myself or so.
But yeah, so you're walking around and there's someone in Seattle and you bump into them, you make small talk, and they're like, where are you from? And you're like, I'm from out east. And out east and they say what are you here for and you say just to fucking walk around for three days no I like go see shit are you guys really think is that weird you gotta have no no I don't think it's weird to like pick a city that you've never been to to expect but like the way I think it was the way okay maybe I presented it in credit up okay like Toronto, you know, had a couple dinners planned,

but a lot of it was just walking around the city to different neighborhoods,

like just catching the vibe, like grabbing a beer here,

grabbing a coffee here.

It's my favorite thing to do.

It's leading with just walking around the city. Yeah, okay, that probably is a bad way, yeah.

Yes, I have picked a spot on a map and said,

I've never been there, let me go check this out. I would highly recommend it.
Whose is beeping? Whose truck is beeping? I'm beeping. What's going on? Is that a car getting towed? Dark garbage day.
Oh, garbage day. No, because a lot of people think vacation, you got to go to a beach somewhere.
I really do think it's like very cool to go see what another city is like by just hanging out in it.

And like one of the cool, one of the, one of my most memorable vacations was, uh, I looked at the

map of North America. I picked out, I was just staring at it.
Like, where have I never really

been? Uh, Nova Scotia looked funny to me on the map. Uh, and I started Googling like how far would

it take to drive there from Columbus, Ohio? And I just just mapped out a vacation i drove up to like toronto and then to ottawa and like over yeah back and and nova scot and like the whole trip was insane because it was like i i would never in a million years of planning a trip to go to quebec city or to go to you know new brunswick like wherever the hell and i was like this is awesome and canada's I'd. I'd been to Canada a few times.
So to that point, that is a good move. That's a good move.
You have to wrap it around some event or something that you're doing there. I could see myself saying, you know what? I'm going to go check out San Diego.
I'm going to go to Padres game. Go to the beach for a little bit.
And then just spend my time walking around San Diego. Yeah, see, I haven't, yeah, we've done it and not wrapped around any of it.
Like, did Savannah, Georgia, like, had a couple great meals, rented a car, drove around, like, it was fucking awesome. Just, like, seeing what the city is like on not, like, a touristy way, but just, like, kind of being in it.
All right, bad idea. Sorry, guys.
You know what? No, no, no. It's a good idea.
I'm thinking it's thinking it's a good idea you just led with you led with i like to fly to cities and walk around for i'm also realizing now that like when i say that like i just show up like i i'm starting to realize that like my wife probably planned a lot of stuff that i don't even realize so it's like one of those situations where i'm like this is cool like we did all this stuff and it's like how all happen? And it's like, she's probably planned it all out and I'm just a fucking moron. You know what? I've done it.
I've done that before. New Orleans, my first time to New Orleans was just like, let's go to New Orleans, see what it's about.
Most of the other times I do it, there is a beach that's nearby. And so it'll be under the pretense of, I'm going to go to the beach in Miami.
But what I really end up doing, I spend some hours at the beach but i'll go around i'll eat dinners go see what the town has to offer check out neighborhoods it's not that it's not that weird like i did in toronto and i all we had planned was a few dinners and like we just like there was one day we walked probably 15 miles where we just walked through the entire city and it was fucking awesome i don't know it It was cool. I guess.
Right. But in the beginning, you kind of sold it.

Like you just get off. Yeah, no, I know.
That was stupid. That was stupid.
That was stupid. How I sold.
So what you're saying is you go places with your wife. Yeah.
Yeah. Has anyone else ever done that? Well, not you, Ryan.
You've ever, you ever picked out a city to go on. You ever picked out a city to go on vacation and then gone with a loved one all right i sold it incorrectly uh yeah paris is a great city to just go to walk around i did just walk around paris yeah i didn't go into any of the we went to the louvre and the line was so long we're like fuck this i did too the louvre is overrated yeah that's one thing you can take away from this podcast if you go to par Paris, go to Mousset d'Orsay.
Don't go to the Louvre. Fuck the Louvre forever.
My favorite vacation I've ever taken was to Alaska, to Denali National Park. So a special shout out to that.
I've done a lot of the nature trips, a lot of the national parks. I've hit most.
Actually, behind my shoulder for my background is like all that. I can't point.
I'm stupid. There it is.
A lot of the national parks I've been to. Denali was awesome because it was like the one place where you just feel like you're on your own.
They take one bus in. They drop you off, and they're like, if you die, you die.
Figure it – like, we'll bring one bus through here to pick up whoever survives. And that was awesome.
How long? How many days? I did a full week there. Not to go all Chris McCandless on you, you know, the Into the Wild guy that died in the bus.
But that was pretty fucking awesome to just be out there and to have those moments of... Because a lot of these national parks, they just pave a parking lot and you see people in designer jeans that are walking around.
You're trying to be an outdoor rugged you know like diesel yeah what about you ryan also under like hawaii is i know this now hawaii is the one place i've been where everyone i thought overrated it and it was underrated when i went i was like holy shit this place is incredible no hawaii at least i've been to maui a few times and uh would say most places I've been, lucky enough to travel a lot. After a while, I'm like, all right, I got it.
Maui is one of those places where when you have to leave, you're like, I don't really feel like leaving. So my big thing is role play.
That's why I go alone because I'll just stay in a village, whether it's Switzerland,'s Switzerland France Italy and I may just go out one of those nights and pretend I'm a completely different person and I'll just look a little stressed out I'll have a attache with me and I'll just ask if anybody's seen the ambassador and then I just have some drinks in the back and I you know some people come up to me I'm like you know you probably shouldn't sit here I'm in danger and then everybody gets super fucking freaked out and then I just Uber to the next

place just fuck with and be like no I'm not who's Ryan Rosilla what's what's the best place you've

been Ryan because you have been I feel like the most places out of any of us uh I gotta I mean I

think Saint-Tropez is the coolest place I've ever been in the world and I've been you know I was at

a different place you know age-wise when I went to Negril in Jamaica but I fucking loved it

I'm going to do it. place I've ever been in the world and I've been you know I was at a different place you know age wise when I went to Negril in Jamaica but I fucking loved it because I loved how and I mean this in the best way possible but like it got real grimy and you could just I had my own motorcycle and I would just roll up to these shacks and I love reggae I fucking love the music so much and people care would care more about like their speaker setup than literally any other possession they had house car pets like they cared about speakers and so I would just pull up to these shacks where it would just be stacks and stacks of speakers and you'd just be on some weird side road and I'd pull up and you know sit there and fucking the guys would just bring out 45s and play all this kind of music that I'd never heard before.
I'd be writing it down, but this is amazing. And then I'd get on my motorcycle and like go to the next place.
There's a couple of nights ago, a little weird. I don't know that I'll ever share that story.
But that, at least for my age and my mindset and the setup that I had and really loving the people of Jamaica um that I I just there's no way I could replicate that at 47 years old because at 47 I'd be like there's no fucking way I'm doing that deal again um but uh yeah I went to Saint-Tropez the south of France and what I loved about it is if you didn't know you were in France, right, if you just, whatever, like dropped in the middle of it, it's like, hey, guess where you are? You could say Spain. You could say northern Italy.
You might say France. Daytona Beach.
Because if you look at the history. Yeah, if you look at the history of kind of like who was mingling with who based on who was winning some of these battles going back years and years and years ago.
It was just a big melting pot of a lot of people. And so, you know, you're walking around the main village and guys are playing bocce at two in the morning.
And it's like a legit tournament and you just grab a beer and you're watching these old guys play and like everybody's going nuts. And then, yeah, there's the high end boat thing, which is supper clubs go fucking crazy uh and i wasn't even i don't even know if i would have gotten into one of the supper clubs certainly a hey just one right you know and we're talking like full-blown vegas show tunes but you can see it as you walk by it so you'd have to bring a group you know nobody would go by themselves although maybe i should have tried to break that trend but to go to that um club 55 thing where you know again it can sound a little trendy like Bridget Bardot and all these actors and actresses that went out to this part of the south of France and making it really trendy but this is the part where I love Europe because we're so fucking uptight in the United States and you don't understand it like going to F1 in Mexico City and seeing like everybody just, yeah, this is another international Super Bowl for this sport that America is just figuring out what a big deal it is.
We want it to be the best time ever. We're not worried about fucking with everybody.
Like, do you have your past? You don't have your past. Like the way the Super Bowl plays out versus like some of this international stuff that I've been to now.
I don't know. Like maybe we're doing it wrong all the time.
So to finish the point is I'm at this beach club in San Tropez and at six o'clock, the guy's like, Hey, I got to take the chair. And I'm like, God damn it.
Like I paid 50 bucks for this chair and I'm just kind of settling in. The sun isn't going to set until like after nine o'clock, the time of the year that I was there, I just cracked open my JP Morgan, Ron Chernow book.
And the guy's like, you can stay as late as you want. And I'm like, wait, what are you talking about? He's like, yeah.
And most people just leave because the beach club is closed and the bar is closed and the restaurants closed and whatever. He's like, if you are cool, he's like, you stay here the rest of the night.
I was like, are you serious? So for two nights in a row, I just hung out at that beach club and watched the sunset and then walked all the way up the beach into like another village and like found a place to eat and all that kind of stuff. So even though I'm in one of the trendiest, most touristy places ever, there's still these moments where you feel like it's so relaxed because it's Europe.
And look, I'm telling you, if you do have a girlfriend or a wife, it's also even it would probably be better with them. A little rosé and watching the sunset on this beach.
I couldn't believe they let me stay there. And when I came back the next night, the guys were like, hey, man.
And I was like, am I good again? And they're like, no problem. So, yeah, I've done the Amalfi thing.
I've done Switzerland. I've done Germany.
I've done parts of France. I've done Jamaica.
I've done most of the islands. I haven't done any South America.
I'd like to go to Japan at some point, but Saint-Tropez is at the top of the list. I love that this question, the first answer was medieval times.
Yeah, it devolved. And then we eventually got to go to the south of France.
Well, mine was an activity. Yeah, that was too long.
That was part of the question, was activity. No, it wasn't just to start over.
PFT was like Buster's. That's my favorite.
That's number two. That's number two on the list.
Also great. And Marcelo's like south of France.
My favorite vacation, my actual favorite vacation was the Galapagos Islands in Ecuador. And it's the most unique place on earth that you can go to.
I want to go back. Every time I plan a vacation, I'm like, I just, can I just go back to the turtles again? That was, that was a cool vacation, but it's no kidding.
It's so great because you, you arrive there and the, they limit however many people can come visit at a given time. You're not allowed to move there.
It's all local people. And the only way you can move there is if you marry somebody that is a resident of the Galapagos islands.
And so it's like still very very small. Sounds like California.
Yeah. It's very small, and it's a tight-knit community.
But you get there, and everybody at some point works in the tourism business or the conservation business. So you get assigned a guide that will walk you around the island, take you to all these little beaches.
First afternoon, we just got there. I walk out onto this beach.
He hands me a snorkel and fins. He's like, okay, dive into the water.
There's some sea lions that are swimming around. They're going to want to play with you.
I was like, what? So I just jump in the water. It's perfectly clear.
This fucking sea lion starts swimming up to me and he's like trying to get me to play. And I'm like, I think this is like a dog.
It's like a dog in the water. And he no joke brings a, a sea cucumber.
It looks like a little dog toy. And he comes up to me.
He's got the sea cucumber. And it's almost like he wants me to take it out of his mouth.
And I'm like, I'm not going to touch this thing. It's like 150 pounds.
It can make me drown. And then he takes it.
And then he like drops it over his own shoulder. And then he goes and plays fetch with it and brings it back to me.
And at that moment, I was like, this is the best place I've ever been in my life. I'm playing fetch.
It's like a Disney movie. It's like a sea lion.
Yeah. It was incredible.
Finding Nemo. And then you get to go see these giant tortoises walking around everywhere.
The beers are just like the most simple but most refreshing beer that you'll ever have in your life. Yeah, I just want to go back.
I want to go back to the Galapagos. Wow.
Plus, you you actually you sneaky learn a lot about science and about nature while you're there because everything they name everything after darwin on that island like if darwin ever gets canceled they're gonna have a lot of stuff to tear down in the galapagos islands uh but yeah i just i just want to go back to ecuador man uh i i think i gotta go to the galapagos now um couple other quick hitters. Underrated sporting event to attend in person.
I would say collectively we've probably been lucky enough to be in a lot of fucking cool places. The World Cup in Qatar was fantastic.
Specifically Qatar. The Amir did a great job hosting the world.
I'd say like a soccer game, an international soccer game between two countries that actually care about soccer is awesome to go to that are like passionate fired up at the brink of fighting each other when i was when i was living in columbus the uh the world cup qualifier against mexico was there all every four years i guess it would be um and that was in that tiny little stadium in columbus ohio they usually play it in the fall where it'd be cold as shit so the mexicans uh would would not want to you know warm up and they'd be losing their mind how cold it is that atmosphere was awesome that atmosphere is like one of the coolest sporting atmospheres i've ever seen and it was in like a tiny soccer stadium in ohio yeah it was sick what about you or so a fight oh yeah UFC in Vegas yeah or boxing I mean I've been to a couple big ones when I was younger it is unlike any energy I've ever been around I'm not saying it's better but it's different because there's like a tension there's this fucking insane tension that's different than you know big time college football tension playoff tension, like, you know, I've been in some, some Red Sox games in 03 and 04 where like the tension in Fenway against the Yankees and that kind of stuff was pretty crazy, but it's a different, cause you're almost like a little afraid. Yeah.
Yeah. I've been to some fights in Vegas in the early two thousands where depending on who was fighting and what the crowd was like and whether or not you're staying in the fight hotel and you lead up to it and there's this massive amount of tension and then it's fun to bet it and then it's over and if it was like a great fight the energy goes in a different direction but goes to another level and then it's just kind of a free-for-all in the fight casino if it's a good casino because then everybody who was just in the fight is like all hanging out and walking around and you're running into everybody i used to go all the time i i definitely missed that yeah dream on green that's a great one yeah dream on green assaulted me coming out of mcgregor mayweather but that that's a good one ufc uh i went to a big fight at msg that's pretty sick too um and then i I would say Rose Bowl.
Rose Bowl. I did my first one this year.
Rose Bowl is so – it's just something about it. It's New Year's.
It's everything. It's the sunset.
It's just like people are in a good mood. It's just – even if your team's not in it, it's just a – it's just a beautiful – That backdrop.
Yeah. It's just – it's something special.
That backdrop stuff to be. Yeah.
And then I was gonna say the other one, um, obviously Baton Rouge on a Saturday night is unlike anything else. And then, uh, off the, maybe not off the beaten path, but, uh, Keeneland, uh, racetrack in Kentucky is they only race April and October.
It is fucking awesome. It's, it's the Wrigley field Fenway park of race of horse racing.
If you ever want to go for a weekend with your boys, that's, I would put that at the top of the list. I want to shout out to Maui invitationals.
Oh yeah. Because I think everyone thinks of the Maui invitational as being awesome just because of where it's at.
So like if the appeal of going to the Maui invitational invitational would be to go to maui obviously but if they put that gym anywhere on planet earth it would still be just an insane atmosphere like the atmosphere actually inside that i get more excited every time i go to the mount invitational i get more excited for what happens inside the gym than outside it's it doesn't make any sense but uh a gym that small like the the energy this year when arkansas was playing creight Maui Notational, I swear to God, it was the loudest I've ever heard of basketball gym in my life. And it was Arkansas, Creighton, and Maui.
So shout out to the Maui. That's a good one.
To Rosillo's point about the Super Bowl being like, it's not the same as other major international sporting events. It does feel super corporate.
It's not the same type of fans at a game i would i would actually love it if the nfl just let a home team host the super bowl every year and had the actual like organic energy from the fans in the crowd i don't know how you determine that i don't know they could plan it yeah we're also going the opposite way because you know the nfl they were hoping that they would get that game in Atlanta for the AFC championship game because I could totally

see the NFL doing that in the future.

It's never in a million years going to happen.

How cool would it have been to see...

I'm saying the championship games

I wouldn't be shocked if the championship games

become neutral site in the next

5-10 years. Which I hate.

It doesn't feel the same. When you're going

into a Super Bowl it feels...

It's such a sanitized version

of watching a football game that it doesn't

Thank you. five ten years which i hate i mean it doesn't feel the same when you're going into a super bowl it feels it's a it's such a sanitized version of watching a football game that it doesn't even feel like the sport sometimes yeah agreed well there's no major sport that its owner group gives less of a fuck about fans than the nfl um you know i get that it's about maximizing the dollar but like to look at some of the flex scheduling thing where you're supposed to then what change your plans last minute.

Now,

like,

have you seen some of this stuff?

It's crazy.

So,

um,

I got,

you're right.

They're probably going to do it.

They're probably going to do more neutral site stuff.

Like at first it's like,

Oh cool.

The draft is going everywhere.

And then you're like,

wait,

just because you can charge for it now.

So I, I don't know the NFL, i get maximizing every dollar that you can make but i think the nfl usually takes it to a level where you start going like dude is it is it this important yeah they're also doing it's very it's very clear what they're doing with the draft is they're basically sending it to all the cities that won't have super bowls so be like well you had the draft when they were like green bay it's like okay well yeah that makes sense uh one last one and this is this is more of a like true sickos but if you can ever find yourself in a match and game on a tuesday or wednesday night it is something special because it's like you're watching division one college football and there's know, a thousand people, and it's just the play is funny, and it's, like, and some of the stadiums I know. Funny how? Northern Illinois, you can leave the stadium back to your car to drink at halftime and then go back in the stadium.
Like, it's just, there's something special. We used to be able to do that at Oregon.
Really? Then Eugene, yeah. Have you guys gone to Eugene for a game? No, we haven't.
I know it's just there's something special. We used to be able to do that at Oregon.
Really? Then Eugene. Yeah.
Have you guys gone to Eugene for a game? I haven't. I know.
It's just such a pain in the ass. Have you been, Titus? No, I was going to go to the Ohio State game up there, and then COVID ruined it.
And, yeah, it blew it. So I've not been.
When it's rolling, I would actually put Oregon up there with a lot of places I've been. But now it's just turning into a conversation about what was something cool you did.

I would like to go to a game in Boone, North Carolina.

Yeah.

That seems like a great place to watch a football game. Yes, absolutely.

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I'll start. Number one on my list was actually considering going to the doctor when you feel something wrong.
Like, you know, I still don't go to the doctor. But I still don't.
But it actually crosses my mind. As I've gotten a little older, I'm like, should I go to the doctor? Yeah.
And that was something I never, ever thought about. Because you're like, this could be serious.
Yes. Yeah, this could be serious.
And then I wait a few days and it's fine. But yeah.
That's a great one. Actually considering going to the house.
Yeah. Just even the thought.
Even the thought that creeps in your head. Just the thought.
Yes. The thought alone, I feel like I'm 90 years old by even thinking.
Yeah. All right, Rosillo.
My first pick was going to be opening mail,

but I think I should change it to excited to open mail.

Yeah.

That's a good one.

That's a very good one.

I wonder what this could be.

I wonder who.

Because I had a stack of stuff.

I was not excited, but I was like, look at me opening this shit.

Yeah. Another tax refund maybe yeah or bill all right pft uh i'm gonna take an easy one right off the bat when a player who's younger than you retires from a sport yes that was that was the moment where i was like lebron retiring is gonna suck it's gonna ruin my world, yeah.
Shit, LeBron running out of gas against Denver was already triggered an existential crisis for me. Watching him be too old to finish those games.
Yeah, it's his foot, dude. It'll be fine.
The cousin of that is looking up ages of, like Barry Bonds is 58 years old. I'm like, fuck, are you serious? How is Barry Bonds barry bonds gonna be 60 soon that makes no sense that sucks um that's good yeah like van gundy was like 34 when he got the next job and i'm like jesus christ like pod's doing all right but still um all right mine mine's an easy first one too uh and it actually started to happen to me uh i have had to ask people to turn down the music at like bars or actually Stanford Steve can back this up we're at an Army Navy tailgate and I literally couldn't hear what other people were saying and I had to tell DJ can you just turn it down a little bit and I was like holy fuck this is brutal but it happened and it sucks it's brutal have you guys had to do it? I've not had to do it.
I've wanted to do it. I'd leave before I didn't get to that.
Listen, I got to a point where I was like, I can't hear. I have to ask them to turn it down.
PFC, when we were in Scottsdale, we went to the Barstool Bar after the dozen deal. And we talked about it the day after, but Grandpa Simpson, that shit, we walked right into the bus, and the music was so loud.
I just turned around and walked right back out. That first moment where you're like, fuck, this music is loud.
It just sucks. It sucks.
It sucks. I went upstairs.
I looked at the table. I was like, well, I'm not going to be able to hear anybody.
They're not going to be able to hear me talk. What's the upside to me staying in this club right now? Yes, yes.
Yeah, and then I say to myself, why would the Barstool Bar do this? This is fucking miserable. No one enjoys this.
And I look out and there's a line around the block of people waiting to get in. And I was like, all right, I guess it's a me problem.
I guess it's not. And the other one is, because working at Barstool, we're with a lot of younger people.
Just names of actors or actresses and, like, TikTok stars. And you're like, that person's been around for five years.
And it literally is a blank. Like, a complete blank.
There was one. Dave was telling me something about.
What's the Miami girl? Alex. Alex Ren.
Sheena Easton. Alex Ren.
Alex earl they told me about her in uh i think we're in houston and i was like i don't i've never heard that name in my life and then they're like how have

you not she has like 35 million followers and i was like fuck yeah so but but then the other part

of that is because when you're in the transition part of feeling old you you're like shit how do

i not know that and then you like want to figure it out but when you're truly old is when you hear

the the other part of that is because when you're in the transition part of feeling old, you, you're like, shit, how do I not know that? And then you like want to figure it out. But when you're truly old is when you hear that and you just shrug your shoulders and you're like, I don't give a shit.
I'm not gonna like, I don't, not only do I not know who she is, I don't care moving forward. I don't even care to like, look into it.
This one you should look into. I'll just say that.
I did look into this one and I do follow her on platforms now. You're a fan of her work.
Drop her a line. Let her know you're a fan.
Yeah, that could change her life, big cat. That could change her life.
Side tangent, but Glennie Balls has a great show at Barstool Sports called Only Stands. So sometimes he has OnlyFans models.
Sometimes he has porn stars. I did go up to one of the porn stars and I was like, I'm a big fan of your work and I never have felt like a bigger loser in my entire life.
But also she like smiled at me and I was like, that rocked. I don't know if this one counts as the same as what Big Cat just said.
You can vote me down if it does. Just watching any award show.
Doesn't matter what award show it is if it's uh the mtv the vmas if it's the grammys especially the grammys i feel like that's the bad one yeah the oscars is one i can still watch and be like okay i know because most of those people are so old anyways but watching the grammys i'll that that will be mine yeah because i like that i have zero idea who any of these people are yes Yes, yes. Plays in well.
Good transition. So I'm up here.
Yep, yep. You just ruined the transition.
The weird thing is you could also just look at your grammar. I wrote down in our categories Titus, RR, PFT, and then Big Cat said me, and I wrote me.
That's not a great sign. It's actually Big Cat.
I wrote me. I'm like, wait, did I just go go uh i'm gonna say anytime you start a question with did you know that in world war ii dot dot dot yeah uh-huh yeah reading a ton of non-fiction books on a beach yeah that's yeah that that's definitely happened i was reading uh hitler and stalin it's a book about hitler and stalin on the beach in cabo and everybody around he was reading Hitler and Stalin.
It's a book about Hitler and Stalin on the beach in Cabo.

And everybody around me was reading like some romance novel or like the latest mystery novel.

And I'm like, I'm very old looking around here. Like I'm very interested in what happened on board the submarine.

I'm in this.

I'm in that part one of the African like occupation there where Patton's just telling guys, if I see you walking back towards camp, I'm going to shoot you. And like, it's fucking, it's awesome.
But I mean, when we went to see Shane Dillis and he's like, you know, my dad's not a real conservative, but he's like on his way. He's reading a lot of military fiction or a lot of nonfiction and big cats, cat's like elbowing the shit out of me like you're such a conservative you're such a conservative he was talking directly to russill he's like yeah i'm not republican but i am getting into history like i don't want i don't want society to just abandon the people that need the help the most but i'm in the middle of this v book.
It's fucking killer. Where does World War I fit into this in terms of old people's interests? If you're interested in World War I more so than II, does that mean you're an older? I think II is the gateway to I.
II is the gateway drug. II is like a basic bitch history move.
It's like everybody at some point gets into World War's good it's going to happen to you if it hasn't already and then the people that really lean into that that are like well i want to learn more about world war ii are there more world wars yeah well no the reason people learn about world war one is because they want to know more about world war ii it's like how that happened yeah how did this guy start doing hard drugs let's see his days when he was smoking weed.

That's a great point.

No, I love that you guys are bringing this up because I eventually was like,

all right, I'm really lean in my World War I years.

Let me get some of the buildup.

Sometimes I'll read about the wars

and then I'll be like, I want to prequel it.

Not to say that two is Godfather II

and one is Godfather I,

even though most of us like two better.

But I remember the first time

reading about the buildup of one and I was like, germany's got some really flimsy arguments they were they were like why does everyone love french culture so much more than ours like how long do you have also the ending of world war ii was better they found a way to tie that one up very neatly at the end the first one had had a lot of hanging plot points. Right.
Can you imagine if they just did one World War I? That should have been their first cue. Maybe this war wasn't ended correctly because we called it World War I.
All right. The other thing, too, the other thing I found interesting about World War II.
All right. Your two II is that Stalin was very upset because the losses on the Eastern Front were monumental compared to the Allied troops.
And so then when Hollywood started making movies after the end of World War II, Stalin and Russians were offended that they felt like they were afterthoughts in the story. It's like, wait, so you thought these movies in Hollywood were going to end with a bunch of guys with Russian names and accents as the heroes of movies in the late 40s and early 50s? Like, come on, dude.
That's not how L.A. works.
And when we do, we're going to have Jude Law play the main character, and he's going to speak English. All right, Titus, you have two.
I got two. All right, my second one is watching a game and having very, very strong opinions on the jersey.
Yeah. Not even – mine is less like whether the jerseys are cool and more about the colors.
Like we're recording this right after game one of the NBA finals, and the moment the game was tipped off and the heat are wearing their dark red and the nuggets are wearing their dark blue.

I was just like,

I can't watch this somewhat.

Someone needs to be wearing white.

Yes.

And that I feel like that is,

this is something I complain about all the time.

And everybody looks at me like I'm a hundred years old,

but I swear to God,

I'm right.

That this is insane.

I complained about the same shit.

I NBA has completely ruined their Jersey setups.

It's ridiculous.

There was that game like two years ago where the Heat were basically wearing the Pacers uniforms in a playoff game, and I was like, what the fuck is going on? This is bad. Literally, it hurts my eyes to watch two dark color.
I need one light, one dark. Make it...
All right, next pick. It's a little easy to understand.
Moving on. My third one is buying two of something because you like it so much and you don't even need to you just buy one I do with shoes all the time you buy two pairs because you're like if this wears out I want to have another one to use and i don't trust that

the same model in three years like they're going to tweak it so it's not going to be the exact fit like i like so i'm just going to go ahead and buy two so that way when it's time to to exchange i don't have to go buy a new one and take a chance that it's the same yes yes so okay that's a great one uh rus. Seeing IG videos and then texting them to your friend's threads.
I don't think that's that old. I do.
When I do it with you and Chris Long and I don't get any feedback, I'm like, oh, you're getting fucking old i'm a bad video what are you supposed

to be like not sure i think when you get older you're like oh my god that was funny i have these guys seen it let me share it with them and because i'm older than you guys it does it gets my i'm like oh not much not much reaction to that must have seen those guys do you add do you add context though add commentary or you just send the link because that can be confusing he'll send the link And it won't be a follow-up.

So I won't know, like, which vibe are we going for here. Yeah, right.
Are we ripping him? Do we think it was cool? Oh, so you think I'm so cool that you don't want to bum me out by saying the wrong thing. I don't want to change the vibe where you're like, if it's like, hey, can you believe this guy's an idiot?

Yeah, right.

What if Ursulo thinks this guy's cool and I say, idiot?

Lay out.

Lay out.

This is the coolest I've felt literally in 2023, so thanks.

All right.

PFT?

All right.

Mine's very specific to me in particular, but when I heard Creed On a classic rock channel I lost my shit I was like no I'm 13 This song is popular This is arms wide open This is a banger, this is mainstream This is modern rock Do not put this on classic rock 94.7 That's not where this belongs it belongs on dc 101 not classic rock and then i i also heard uh dave matthews band on classic rock oh that's that sucks to think about alternative music we we can do that thing with time where we're like we are uh like yeah dave matthews band crash came out probably 1995 so about 18 years ago we're as far removed as Crash by Dave Matthews band Crash came out probably 1995, so about 18 years ago. We're as far removed as Crash by Dave Matthews band as when we were growing up.
We were from like Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin. Yeah, like 1983 is closer to World War II than it is today.
Fuck time, man. Yeah, I love when people thought that was super interesting though.
Like today is closer to,

and you're like,

yeah,

no,

we got it.

Yeah.

I think we should all start doing stuff like that.

Didn't happen where it's like,

I love you,

man came out 30 years ago today.

You're like,

wait,

holy shit.

Time's flying.

All right.

My last two,

uh,

uh,

my next pick is going to be getting actually upset when a game doesn't tip off when it says it's gonna tip off um i used to joke about it but now it's like if it says like 8 30 and they tip off at 8 43 i'm like what the fuck why did you fucking tell like that's another 13 minutes that I'm not going to be in bed. Like, this is bullshit.
Don't fucking tell me 830 and then tip off at 843. And I know it's very stupid to get mad about it, but I get mad about it.
That's a good one. Yeah, especially when it's those very specific times.
That'll fuck you up. It's like, yeah, you said 837 for a reason yeah honestly just just having an opinion on the time that games tip off is a signing yes oh yeah just no matter just literally any opinion we're like why would they why would they tip it off at this time when this is don't they know that this this yeah or like yeah there was an nhl during game seven of uh or maybe i can't remember but it was like the nhl should have played their game in the afternoon like why the fuck didn't they play in the afternoon like why why they do this um and then the last one this might be more of a dad thing but i i if you put me on a couch i can nap like almost instantly for 10 minutes 15 minutes like if i'm if i'm if i'm basically circulation if i'm basically seated or like in any comfortable position and I'm a little bit tired, it's lights out so fast.
And I feel like, you know, growing up, you see your dad be able to do that. And like, you're like, what the fuck? Like, why is he napping? It's like four o'clock in the afternoon.
Why is he taking a 10 minute nap? And now I've gotten that point, and it's like, fuck, that is me. Yeah, yeah.
My last one? Yeah. Getting actually pissed off during a basketball game that they don't call carrying anymore.
Calling players, like pointing at the TV and saying, that's a carry. Yeah, that's a carry.
That was a moment for me where it's like, I am. I'm my dad at this point.

I remember how mad he got when when Allen Iverson was playing. Yeah.
It's like, these are illegal. These are all illegal moves that he's making right now.
The cousin of that one is like, I actually do get mad when a player like could lay it up and they dunk instead and miss. And I'm like, fucking layup counts as two, bro.
Like, what are you doing? Go high glass. Players should use the glass more.
If the Baseball Hall of Fame voters voted on the NBA Hall of Fame,

James Harden would not vote. Fucking layup counts as two, bro.
Like, what are you doing? Go high glass. The players should use the glass more.

If the Baseball Hall of Fame voters voted on the NBA Hall of Fame,

James Harden would not make that.

Because he's... Well...

His step-backs are travels.

Yeah, I was going to say, if Rasillo voted on it, he wouldn't make it in.

His step-backs...

They'd be like, his step-backs are travels and the foul bait, all that stuff.

He's not...

Yeah.

All right, Rasillo, your last pick.

Okay.

It's kind of... It's the same thing, but it's maybe different.
It's getting horny at gym slash the older, less filtered cousin going to gym to get horny. Which I think is an even older version of the first.
Because when I'm at the gym, and granted, there's times, especially where I live, you're holy shit but i'm there for my reps all right i'm there to put the work in but there's a few times you're like oh my god like look at her but then there's that next level of guy who's like hey did you see her you're like yeah i fucking saw her she's gorgeous and everybody can see her it's like fucking a bro and then he's weird and then the next version is like the guy made been his day off he's just kicking some cardio around and he goes only to look at women and that's that's a level i don't know that i'll ever get to who knows maybe i will be that's gonna be you dude they've got like three rows of treadmills and that guy goes to the back row every single time absolutely yeah he knows what he's doing uh all right last pick that's good my my last one is um staring at the horizon at the beach you're at the beach and you're standing there and you're just looking off in the horizon this is something i noticed when i go to the beach uh dudes in their 20s are playing spike ball and they're fucking throwing the football around and then you'll just see like an old dude who's got his hands on his hips and he's just looking off on the horizon yeah that's dudes and so good yeah so i do it yeah and you know what it is yeah that is also the if you ever caught yourself being like you got to come check out this sunset that's that's it right there where you're like it's like as if the sun is hiding and they can't just turn around and look at it come Come check this out. The only time walking into the room to announce to them,

you should all be outside right now.

Yeah, no, my mom's a big, like, come check out this sunset.

It's incredible.

It's like, well, it does set every day.

I feel like if you're younger and you do this, it's a cry for help because you're, like, going through some shit

and you want to, like, just go to the beach and stare into the distance.

But older dudes, it's just, like, a regular part of life.

Like, every time I go to the beach, I see the same guy. I started, I got to the point, I was watching the old men, watching the horizon.
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I'm like, what the fuck does this guy know? Like he looks like he's solving our great problems in life. See, I think, you know, look, whatever dudes are doing to calm themselves, I think the cool thing, like before I start reading, I'll go take a deep breath, look around a little bit, You know, fucking.
And I'm fine. I'm actually fine.
Like I'm going to sit down and just being like, fucking soak it in for five minutes before you start cranking away on the cargo holds. You're doing warm ups for reading.
Getting the mind ready. Oh, man.
All right. This has been great.
My pre-workout.

Yeah.

Do you guys want to guess a number?

Sure.

Okay.

Let's guess numbers.

I'll go 69.

I'll go 17.

What do you guys want to guess?

I was going to guess 17.

That's so fucking weird.

Yeah.

I'll do 27.

Give me 22.

17 is Hank's number. 20 and what is yours means 21 you guessed 20 didn't you Max 22 wow wow alright Max you were one away from being first place that was exciting for a moment I thought you got it.
22. Wow.
Wow. All right.

Max, you were one away from being first place.

That was exciting for a moment.

I thought you got it.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, thank you, guys.

One of you is going to have to have a kid to do another one of these.

Nose game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We appreciate it.

It is Friday and there's no games.

See what I can do.

These are always our favorite, though, so thank you you guys. Appreciate it.
Yeah. Love you guys.
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