Carson Palmer In Studio, NFL Draft, Celtics/Sixers Is A Go + Giannis And The Bucks Bounced

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Speaker 1 On today's part in my take, we have Carson Palmer in studio talking to the NFL draft. We taped it on Tuesday, but we talked about his career, his draft, what quarterbacks he likes.
Great interview.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk about the NFL draft. We've got a couple picks left as we're taping this.

Speaker 1 What happened in the first round? Winners, losers, draft grades, everything.

Speaker 1 We have Celtics Sixers

Speaker 1 finally set.

Speaker 1 Giannis

Speaker 1 and the definition of failure. Some hockey playoffs and Firefest of the week.
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Speaker 1 Welcome to Part of My Take. Today is Friday, April 28th, and we have the NFL draft first round.
I think we say this every year, PFT, but it needs to be said again.

Speaker 1 I miss the days when it was just all on Saturday.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I do too. I do too.
When you could just sit down and binge the entire thing.

Speaker 1 And it was just, it was truly like an event for freaks and weirdos because it was like, hey, honey, I got to go watch an entire NFL draft all day long. Like, wait, I thought it wasn't football season.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. We're going to watch a bunch of 19-year-olds get selected for seven hours and we're going to get drunk doing it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and then we're going to scream at it when you don't pick the right 19-year-old. Now, I've noticed that the draft day takes have starting to reheat.
I feel like draft draft day, the movie,

Speaker 3 has become more popular.

Speaker 1 It's a cold classic.

Speaker 3 The farther that we've gotten from draft day. Yes.

Speaker 3 And I always say that draft day would be maybe one of the worst movies of all time if it didn't have the rights to the exact NFL logos and team names.

Speaker 3 If they had to make up like a fake NFL league, that movie would suck. Turns out that it rocks because it's like, oh, I recognize the Browns logo.
Oh, I recognize the Jaguars logo.

Speaker 1 They also were very early to the drone shot. If you do a drone shot of a stadium, I'm in.
I will watch just this. I will watch just, like, they should actually, you know what?

Speaker 1 All right, genius idea for any network producer out there.

Speaker 1 Do drone shots. So, like, Planet Earth, just do drone shots of stadiums.
I like that. Like, literally, just an entire documentary of drone shots.

Speaker 1 Of, like, you telling me you wouldn't tune in to a show where it's a drone shot of every college stadium in America?

Speaker 3 Have David Attenborough narrate it?

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 This is where PFT Comato stuck his penis

Speaker 3 in Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it would be incredible. It would be incredible.
All right, so we got distracted there for a second.

Speaker 3 I do think, though, that I like Draft Day Now, the movie, but it is like if it's like National Treasure. Right.
It's like if National Treasure was written in a Buffalo Wild Wings. Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 It's fun to like.

Speaker 1 All right, so draft. So we have right now

Speaker 1 two more picks, three more picks. The big story, unfortunately, is Will Levis has not been selected yet.
Hopefully he gets selected. He is a AWL.

Speaker 1 He's been on this show. We're rooting for Will.

Speaker 1 I have, so people, I think most of America right now is feeling bad for him, which it sucks because he's in the green room. He's going to get selected.

Speaker 1 I actually think it's in a weird way, like you can't be a bust if you go, if you don't go in the top 10. So now people won't judge him the same.
Now he has time to flourish

Speaker 1 to be a multi-super bowl winner. You know what?

Speaker 3 He'll probably go to a place that has a quarterback in place already. And then he'll get to learn.
He'll get to sit behind an established starter.

Speaker 3 And then he'll get to become, he'll get to blossom and metamorphosize to a beautiful butterfly on his own time. Yes.
I'm sure he'll be fine.

Speaker 3 Now, they are already doing damage control because we've seen tweets from Chris Mortensen saying that there were some toe concerns. So once that toe is healed, then the sky's the limit for Will Levis.

Speaker 1 But listen, we are nothing but incredibly biased in all of our analysis, and we like Will Levis because he's a friend of the program.

Speaker 1 And so we will be rooting for him and hoping that everything works out. But I do have a spin zone.

Speaker 3 Go.

Speaker 1 Will Levis was sitting in the green room. He's been sitting in the green room for a very long time.

Speaker 1 I did shoot him one text of encouragement because it's kind of an awkward spot because you're going to be like, hang in there, bud.

Speaker 3 Did you tell him, like, watch your lips because people are trying to read what you're saying?

Speaker 1 No, I just said,

Speaker 1 hey.

Speaker 1 Just throw on the video of me getting the lottery ball and Hank being salty as fuck. And he responded, shit had me crying.
What a loser. So he's fine.
He's fine. That's good, Hank.
He's fine.

Speaker 1 He had the laugh there. Spread the love out.
Will Evans was sitting in the green room laughing about you not getting the lottery ball. We brought a smile to his face.
Is that not good?

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, it's great.

Speaker 1 Okay. So I celebrate that.
Yeah. That was a good move.

Speaker 3 Good job, Hank. Yeah,

Speaker 1 good job, Hank.

Speaker 3 Way to support our friends.

Speaker 1 You saved the guy's happiness today. Good job, Hank.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're part of the 2023 NFL draft. You can't write the story of the 2023 NFL draft without Hank Lockwood.

Speaker 3 So there was a Reddit rumor, and I love this. I love the fact that the rumor out there was...

Speaker 1 No, I know.

Speaker 5 I don't want to rain on his... I don't want to pile on because

Speaker 5 he's had a bad enough night. So I'm happy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, why not? You look happy. Yeah, you look happy.

Speaker 3 Okay, keep going. It doesn't matter.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 It was a stupid Reddit rumor about him going first overall. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 And that's what kind of calibrated people's opinions going into this draft, expecting him to go like top five because there was a rumor he would go one. There's a rumor he'd go two.

Speaker 3 There was a rumor he'd go three and four overall.

Speaker 3 And I guess it just shows us, like, don't pay attention to Reddit rumors unless it's Billy telling you about the Reddit rumor, in which case the sources are ironclad.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, I feel like the NFL draft is the last frontier when it comes to people

Speaker 1 being able to try to manipulate

Speaker 1 how they're betting by being like, let's just start a rumor this guy's going to go. No one really had, especially in this draft, it felt like it was going to be chaotic, and it was kind of chaotic.

Speaker 1 So we went Bryce Young one. Everyone expected that.

Speaker 1 And then we went C.J. Stroud two, which we were talking with Jeremiah and Mick Shea and being like, it'd be crazy if the Texans didn't take a quarterback.
They did the right thing.

Speaker 1 And then the chaos started because the Texans pulled the all-time power move, traded up to three with the Cardinals, and took Will Anderson. So they got C.J.
Stroud and Will Anderson.

Speaker 3 And it's actually smart what they did because if they had done that in reverse and taken Will Anderson, then the price for the number three pick would have been a lot higher if C.J.

Speaker 3 Stroud's still on the board. Yep.
So the shocker, the Texans' front office did something extremely competent tonight.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 another shocker, the Cardinals' front office did something extremely competent because the Cardinals, it seemed like they were going to take Paris Johnson at three.

Speaker 1 They were able to trade out of three to six, get a future first-rounder, and still get Paris Johnson. Yeah.
Like, think about this.

Speaker 1 The Cardinals and the Texans might have just won the first-round draft.

Speaker 3 I think in my draft grade, I'm going to give the Texans an A-plus. Yeah.
Because they picked second and third, and they got good players. They got probably the best defensive player in the draft.

Speaker 3 And a lot of people would say C.J. Stroud best quarterback in this draft if you just go off based on how he played and how he passed from the pocket.

Speaker 1 I thought you were going to say how he played and how he passed against Georgia.

Speaker 3 Because C.J.

Speaker 1 Stroud is, you could, if you're a C.J. Stroud guy, you can just be like last game, best game.
That's all that matters.

Speaker 3 I actually go based off the first half of the first game I ever watched him play, which was against Minnesota. And I was like, this guy stinks.

Speaker 1 And then he probably ripped it up in the second half.

Speaker 3 Then he ripped it up in the second. But still, that's my impression of CJ Stroud.

Speaker 1 And then we had Devin.

Speaker 1 So Anthony Richardson goes to the Colts. Feels like the Colts are like, hey, we're done playing this old quarterback game, roulette.

Speaker 1 Let's get off the carousel. Let's get a young guy who's got all the traits, all the upside.
Who knows? Yeah. I mean, I like the pick because I do think

Speaker 1 I like the pick more because it's the Colts. And if you're the Colts front office or you're a Colts fan, you're like, just please don't do the same thing you've been doing every year.

Speaker 1 Phil Rivers, Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz. They have something completely fresh, completely new, totally different.
That's fun.

Speaker 3 And everything that he does is going to be a highlight or a lowlight. It's going to be, there's going to be a clip of everything Anthony Richardson does because he's like, he's a player.

Speaker 3 When he plays well, it's like, holy shit, he's the only person in the league that can do that. When he plays poorly, he looks like a drunk Jameis.
Jameis, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 So he's going to be just a content machine.

Speaker 1 And listen, this is something that not every franchise gets the benefit.

Speaker 1 I'm going to use it as a positive, the benefit of experiencing, but drafting a quarterback in the first round

Speaker 1 really does

Speaker 1 give you a new pep in your step lease on life where you're like, we have at least a year. to just only look at the positive and ignore all the negative.

Speaker 3 The entire offseason after you draft a quarterback is maybe the best offseason of all because you can convince yourself of anything in that time period.

Speaker 1 But even the first year, like if he plays, let's say he plays half the games. Yeah.
Even if he sucks for half of those games, you can still be like, well, you saw how good he was in that one game.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and he does seem more dynamic than any quarterback that they've had in a very long time. Obviously, Andrew Luck was pretty good and he could run the ball pretty well.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 When he played, but Anthony Richardson is like, he is Cam Newton 2.0. Yeah.
It's going to be weird seeing a guy like that in a Colts uniform. Yes.
It's going to be very jarring.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So Tyree Wilson to the Raiders, I just, I'm, I bust all Big 12 defensive players.

Speaker 3 I loved his suit, though. Yes.

Speaker 3 His suit was awesome. He looked like a cowboy pimp.
Yeah. Kid Rock was just nodding somewhere.

Speaker 3 He looked awesome tonight. So I don't, I tend to agree with you, just less on like Big 12 players, but more Texas Tech player.
If you're a defensive player, I would not touch you in the first round.

Speaker 3 My brain is still stuck in the past.

Speaker 1 Yes. B.
John Robinson to the Falcons, which will be very fun. Yeah.
They're just going to run the ball.

Speaker 3 He's going to beat the Larry Johnson. Yeah.
They're just going to feed him the ball.

Speaker 1 Remember, they still have Algier, who's, what, his rookie? Was that his rookie year last year? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 They have Drake London. Yeah.
They've got

Speaker 1 Kyle Pitts. They just have beasts everywhere.

Speaker 3 Taylor Haneke's got some weapons.

Speaker 1 I am.

Speaker 1 Now that we're listening to all these, I'm going to start believing in the Falcons again because they have dudes.

Speaker 3 Good for you. Yeah.
Bijan Robinson is Texas back. This is, I think, their second top 10 pick in like, I don't know, probably the last 10 years out of Texas.

Speaker 1 Speaking of which,

Speaker 1 this just triggered the fact that Bryce Young was the first Alabama player ever to go first overall.

Speaker 3 That's not true. That's a fake stat.

Speaker 1 It was shown on ESPN. Modern NFL.
I looked it up. I don't know, maybe like in the 40s or something.
It's insane.

Speaker 6 I think Namath went three.

Speaker 1 He went 12 in the NFL draft. He went first overall in the AFL draft.
Okay.

Speaker 1 But that wasn't the NFL draft. How insane is that?

Speaker 3 That is extremely nuts. When you think of all the talent that they've had.

Speaker 1 What schools have the most first overall picks?

Speaker 3 They haven't been like an insanely great offense until recently.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but even no, but that was any player. Yeah, yeah.
Defensive as well. That's nuts.
That blew my mind.

Speaker 3 What teams have

Speaker 3 colleges have the most first overall picks?

Speaker 1 Yes. There's five tied at

Speaker 1 one overall.

Speaker 1 Yeah, one. No, sorry, there's four.
Ohio State?

Speaker 1 No. Oklahoma.
Yes. Four of them.
There's one.

Speaker 3 Is it AM?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 It is

Speaker 1 Oklahoma, Georgia, Notre Dame, USC.

Speaker 3 Yeah, USC makes sense.

Speaker 1 USC always kind of makes sense when you think about it. Yeah.
But yeah,

Speaker 1 that blew my mind.

Speaker 3 I saw that. It is crazy to think that.
Seahawks got a great corner early in the first round. Yeah, Devin Witherspoon.
Witherspoon is a beast.

Speaker 3 So you texted will levis i texted my good friend dk metcalf he was supposed to be on the show uh and i told him that they trade they took will levis with their with their first first round was he pumped he was uh he was not pumped and then he told me that he wanted witherspoon instead

Speaker 1 and so dk got his wish nice he got his corner i feel like the seahawks i'm gonna give them an a too yeah seahawks get an a right off the bat well yeah because the seahawks took Devin Witherspoon and then they also they got Jackson Smith Najigba who people had as the number one one wide receiver at 20.

Speaker 3 They got him. That's kind of how I think about the draft.
When I think about teams that had multiple first-round picks, I'm like, well, they won the first round. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. If you have more than one first-round pick.
And then we had the Bears and Eagles trading. So the Bears fleece the Eagles, didn't want Jalen Carter.

Speaker 1 What? Wrong. They did not fleece.
The Bears fleeced the Eagles. They didn't want Jalen Carter at nine.
They got a free pick. Doesn't matter which round next year from the Eagles.

Speaker 1 Third round?

Speaker 1 it doesn't matter what round second round it doesn't matter what round first round i don't know how many times i had to say it doesn't matter what round and uh the eagles took jalen carter who a lot of people had is the best player in the draft uh i actually okay max was being mean to me um i am now unfortunately have to root against jalen carter because that's just forever tied because jalen carter could end up being one of the best defensive tackles in the nfl and here's what i'm going to say is i actually think that it was genius for the Eagles to take him and the Bears to not take him because everything we've heard about him, he needs veteran leadership around him.

Speaker 1 The Bears do not have that. The Bears have a very young locker room, not a lot of great defensive players.
The Eagles have the opposite.

Speaker 1 They have a lot of great defensive players, a lot of older Fletcher Cox, like a lot of guys that will help him.

Speaker 1 So I actually, oh, dude, Perfect's doing the Eagles pick.

Speaker 3 Give me a fucking break.

Speaker 1 God damn it. We just took Smith, too.
So we're to Dolan Smith.

Speaker 5 So we're taking every Georgia.

Speaker 5 This is the Georgia.

Speaker 1 I love what Howie's doing.

Speaker 3 Like, I I hate it. I hate it as a Commanders fan.
I can't stand it because it makes too much sense.

Speaker 3 Just take everybody from the best defense in the history of college football and put them on your team in the NFL. Yes.

Speaker 1 So, Max, how are you feeling? I mean, I feel great. I don't think.
I mean, a lot of people wanted Nolan Smith at 10 if we didn't get Carter there.

Speaker 1 Oh, they're fighting.

Speaker 1 It's basically exactly what happened last year

Speaker 1 when Jordan Davis fell, we took him, and then Nacoby Dean fell, and then we took him. Okay, so you have all Georgia.
So it's just all Georgia. Our entire defense will be Georgia.

Speaker 3 It's smart. It's a smart move.
Now, that's not all of Dude Perfect. I noticed the purple hoser is not there.
Nope. And tall guys

Speaker 3 are two favorites.

Speaker 3 You have the worst elements of Dude Perfect out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right, so Max, you feel confident? You feel good? Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 I'm a big believer of draft day means nothing, and it's fun to get excited and watch highlights. Draft day is about watching highlights.

Speaker 1 That's the only thing that matters is getting a guy who has fun highlights that you can go to to bed tonight watching them and like get you excited for the future.

Speaker 3 That is, that is

Speaker 3 nothing. Yeah, that's one of the best parts.
But also, if you just played in the Super Bowl, then you're probably like, whatever, we got a good team anyways. Yeah,

Speaker 1 this was a bonus. And then when you, if you want to talk about a A draft grades, the Eagles got an A draft grade tonight.
Are you a little nervous that you took more defensive players?

Speaker 1 Are you a little nervous that, like, what if the turf isn't great and they slip? And then you cry about it for like a month, how it was not fair. You cried about that.
No, I didn't. You cried.

Speaker 1 You never never said anything about that no you cried about that i did not cry about that you cried about that you cried about you cried no you cried about that you cried

Speaker 1 i i cried

Speaker 1 oh the ladies no i do think that i think that the eagles have a really good draft and i really do believe like what i said is that jalen carter on the eagles makes a ton of sense i don't know he's probably going to be a really good player i don't know if he would have made a ton of sense on the bears given everything else i'm going to feel safer driving around chicago yes they didn't take him yes uh and darnell right is what the who the Bears took, who

Speaker 1 was my number one offensive lineman on my big board. Yep.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 3 He's going to be a beast. Here's a feather in your cap.
Micah Parsons. Ever heard of him?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Great player. Yeah.
Plays on the defensive line sometimes at Edge, other times at linebacker. Encounters a lot of offensive linemen in his line of work.

Speaker 3 He had this to say about Darnell Wright. He's a first-round talent.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So you got a first-round talent in the first round.

Speaker 1 That's value, baby. That's a good slot.
That's great value.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yep, yep.

Speaker 3 Michael Parsons approved.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, drafting O-line is always so funny because no one knows how they're going to pan out. But you're like, we needed that.

Speaker 1 That's good that we needed that.

Speaker 3 You just want to take a big dude who can do the splits.

Speaker 1 What was our friend Tom Fernelli? I said, tell me everything because he's one of those draft nerds. And I think his exact quote was, when he gets his hands on you, it's over.
Okay. I like that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's smart. That's what they said about BTK, too.

Speaker 1 If he gets his hands on you, you're done. That's good.
Love it. Love it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then we got to.

Speaker 1 Well, let's talk about the Lions. Yeah, the Lions basically.

Speaker 3 Because they just kept trading back, and they did some weird shit.

Speaker 1 They're playing like 1980s football. They took a running back after getting DeAndre Swift and David Montgomery.
Have DeAndre Swift sign David Montgomery.

Speaker 1 They drafted a running back at 12 and then an inside linebacker at, what, 18, 16?

Speaker 3 Yes,

Speaker 3 the weird thing was, why not if they're going to draft a running back and they traded back and they took they ended up taking Gibbs why wouldn't they have just taken Bijan Robinson with their initial pick

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 if I had to take a guess they were gonna take Devin Witherspoon yeah and that because that the thing that I just don't understand about the lions they needed defense they had a good offense last year they needed a lot of defense and then they took a running back with 12 I don't know I'm the Lions can get, you know, they have a lot of talent right now, but it felt like

Speaker 1 running back and linebacker in the first round feels like the missing pieces to a Super Bowl team. Not, maybe the Lions are ours.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 All right, it feels like the pieces of a Super Bowl team win Dan Campbell was playing for right, exactly.

Speaker 3 Now, I was doubting the picks too, but then I saw Dan Campbell's reaction in the war room, and he basically started to wrestle everybody in the war room. He was so pumped up.
So, I'm like, whatever.

Speaker 3 I'll just, I trust in Dan.

Speaker 1 Jack Campbell's a great linebacker name, someone pointed out on Twitter, and he went to Iowa. So it will probably work out.

Speaker 3 Academic Heisman. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also,

Speaker 1 goalie of the Oilers. Oh, really? Yeah, one of their goalies is Jack Campbell.
Jack Campbell, how about that?

Speaker 3 Yeah, so the Lions have five of the first 55 picks in this draft. Jesus.
Which is, that's good, as long as you don't screw it up. It might be like giving Joe Biden more bicycles.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. So

Speaker 1 let's see. What else? Oh, Billy, what do you want to talk about Will McDonald, the fourth?

Speaker 6 Love it. We needed someone in the box, a linebacker, D-line, or an offensive lineman, and we got one.
Yeah. And he can jump really high.
And this video is him jumping up.

Speaker 1 He's huge.

Speaker 6 Cars, dunking, doing backflips off walls. He can like jump over whole offensive lines.

Speaker 3 Some people would say that he's undersized, Billy. What do you think about that?

Speaker 6 He can jump high, so it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 But in football, what's more important, jumping high or being big and strong?

Speaker 6 I mean, he's got some weight to him. It's not like he's just a little short.
Yeah, and he jumps high. So he jumps high.

Speaker 1 But he's short.

Speaker 3 Isn't he like 240 or something like that?

Speaker 6 That still can hit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's 6'4 ⁇ , 240. So he's not short or

Speaker 1 he can jump high.

Speaker 1 He can jump. He can jump.
He jumps. He can jump.
He can jump.

Speaker 3 He can jump over a car.

Speaker 6 Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't.

Speaker 1 What kind of car?

Speaker 6 It was a sedan. Like, if he jumps over like an offensive line, Troy Palamu and Sack's quarterback.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, exactly. So I'm looking for that.

Speaker 1 What do you think about Emmanuel Forbes?

Speaker 3 I love Emmanuel Forbes. He's a ballhawk.
He's got six interceptions, returned for a touchdown. That's huge.
So basically, we got a wide receiver that's going to score touchdowns for us on defense.

Speaker 3 Also, the two guys that made the pick are defensive backs. Both of our directors of this entire draft for the Commanders play defensive backs.
So I trust what they're doing.

Speaker 1 That's like Ryan Pohl's an offensive lineman.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so they know what they're looking for, right?

Speaker 3 Now, it does worry me a little bit that the Patriots picked right after us, and their pick was in the second that we announced that we were going to take Forbes.

Speaker 3 And then they ended up taking Christian Gonzalez a little bit too quickly after we took our cornerback, which makes me think, oh shit, we really fucked this up.

Speaker 1 No worse feeling than doing like a fantasy football draft and having someone pick directly after you instantly, being like, I can't believe you missed that.

Speaker 3 They stand up and they say yes. Yeah.
That's what Belichick did to the commanders tonight.

Speaker 1 Christian Gonzalez was slotted to go like somewhere in the top 15, fell to 17.

Speaker 1 Some were saying top 10. I think his over-under was 8.5.

Speaker 1 Hank, you feeling good?

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 5 I was watching the Celtics game.

Speaker 1 Okay, we'll get to that.

Speaker 3 I give your grade a B-plus.

Speaker 1 Flashy suit. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Don't know how that's going to work.

Speaker 5 Hopefully, that's just a draft day thing.

Speaker 3 Oh, and if you don't trust me, by the way, that Forbes is going to be a great cornerback. You ever heard of Jalen Ramsey? You heard of him? He's pretty good.

Speaker 3 He said he's like that about about emmanuel forbes so i i feel like he's being like that is right behind him if we're doing like power rankings of him that dude one of one and like that i would put like that number two so that's good that's a good endorsement yeah so will have us officially not picked in the first round that sucks the chiefs didn't take him chiefs did not take him let's look for chiefs a holiday oh okay he could be there the chiefs officially did not take him.

Speaker 1 That sucks.

Speaker 3 I would get so hammered if I were him tonight. Yeah.
I would just, boom, hit the bar.

Speaker 1 Did you go back to the green room?

Speaker 3 I think Geno Smith did.

Speaker 1 Again, spin zone. I actually think you might go to a better situation.
You also, people won't look at you. Like Anthony Richardson and C.J.
Stroud, if they're not really, really good. They're a bust.

Speaker 1 Yeah. If you're picked in the second round, the bust potential is just not like people don't view you the same way.

Speaker 3 And if you end up being good, then you can like call the other guys later when somebody else slides in the green room and be like, hey, it gets better.

Speaker 1 You know who's in the green room after day one, four years ago? DK Metcalf. Yeah.
Oh, there we go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Huge. There's actually, I mean, the notables right now on the list,

Speaker 1 Hennon Hooker, Michael Mayer, who was awesome at Notre Dame, Joey Porter Jr., Brian Branch.

Speaker 3 I'm shocked that the Steelers didn't take Joey Porter Jr. Yeah, there's some based off vibes.
It's not like they had to do that. There's some good names.

Speaker 1 Yeah. There's some good names out there.
So Will will get drafted tomorrow by someone. And yeah, that just sucks.
It sucks for him. It's a bummer for him.
But you know what?

Speaker 1 If he's smart, you know what? Will

Speaker 1 bite me in big red. That's great.

Speaker 1 We will talk to Will at some point. Maybe we can figure out a way to do, like, he should be doing some type of advertising commercial.
Snickers.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Not going anywhere for a while.

Speaker 1 You know what? Maybe I'll have him. Yeah, Stella Blue, like waiting.
Memes said I should do a meme saying waiting for the coffee. I'm not going to do that.
But that,

Speaker 1 he has some money out there right now.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he'll be fine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So other picks.
So the run on wide receivers happened around, what was it, 20? Jackson Smith Najigba, Zay Flowers.

Speaker 1 Look at, we should talk about it right now. Lamar Jackson is still a Raven.
So that was the big news. He got, what did he get? End up getting $185 million.
$185 million.

Speaker 3 That's a lot of money to guarantee to a running back. And I mean, the Ravens kind of, they fleeced themselves on that one.
Great job, Ravens.

Speaker 3 Like, who, nobody in their right mind was going to trade anything worth anything for that guy.

Speaker 1 I didn't want him at all.

Speaker 3 I didn't want it. I never wanted that guy.
Like, why would you want a quarterback that has to miss half the games in the bathroom?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Why would you make 12 Photoshops with

Speaker 3 no, of course not? Why would anybody ever do that?

Speaker 3 He's going to be a Raven.

Speaker 3 And it seems like the Ravens have they been doing the thing where they are overcompensating for the fact that they haven't invested in wide receivers and weapons for him in the past because they got Odell, and then they went out tonight and they got another wide receiver and Zay Flowers.

Speaker 3 So it's like, yeah, you cheat on somebody and then you just bring them like gifts and chocolate and diamonds and flowers for the next five days after they take you back just to try to get back in their good graces.

Speaker 3 Yeah. It feels like the Ravens are trying a little too hard to make Lamar happy.
Yeah. In reality, he's a running back.

Speaker 3 Nobody wants it.

Speaker 1 But the Ravens have some talent around him for once. So Zay Flowers, yeah, went.

Speaker 1 And then we had the Vikings took Jordan Addison, which is scary to think the Vikings having, like, if he's a good receiver, another great receiver. I love the Bills' pick of Dalton Kincaid.

Speaker 1 Like, they, what did we say over and over and over about the Bills' offense, like, not being able to get those little yards over the middle of the field, like not boomer bust, just getting like five yards.

Speaker 1 Dalton Kincaid is an awesome, awesome pass-catching tight end. And then who was the other?

Speaker 3 There was one other wide receiver taken there was let's see

Speaker 3 oh quince quin johnson from johnson to to yeah it was it was it was four wide receivers in a row so everyone just took wide receiver it seems like there are a lot of teams out there that are just trying to outscore the chiefs they've they've given up the league has given up on trying to defend patrick mahomes with the exception of the raiders who uh who took their defensive end but in terms of like the chargers bills they're just like you know what we're not going to be able to limit patrick mahomes to under 30 points Let's just try to score 38 and hope that's enough.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're absolutely right. Yeah.
Just outscore him.

Speaker 1 It's that simple.

Speaker 3 Just more points. Score more points.
There was a couple other things. Oh, yeah, the Packers.

Speaker 3 I think we were all hoping that they would take a wide receiver. That would have been fun.
Would have been awesome.

Speaker 3 They took Lucas Van Ness, and he had all of his sisters around him congratulating him. I think there were like four girls on the couch.

Speaker 3 His dad, was it his dad that was patting one of them on the butt?

Speaker 1 It was that, and then his little brother or friend friend jumped on him, got pulled off, and then got pulled off.

Speaker 3 It's like chicks only on this couch, bro.

Speaker 1 Come on, man. He's in the NFL now.

Speaker 3 You know the rules. Yeah.
He compares favorably to Aiden Hutchinson, I would say, in the family department.

Speaker 1 Yes, I would agree. I would agree.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's any other big ones from the draft? I mean, there wasn't anything that I was like shocked, shocked with. Like I said, I think the Texans being aggressive was pretty cool to see.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the Lions are doing a throwback team.

Speaker 3 When was the last time a team took two picks in the first five? Because I know one. I know one time that happened.
It was a long time ago. Like 23 years, I think.

Speaker 1 Jake, can you look it up? Yep. Two picks in the first five.
I think there was another one recently.

Speaker 1 Fuck.

Speaker 3 Because the one I know was the Redskins when they took LeVar Arrington and Chris Samuels.

Speaker 1 There was one very recently.

Speaker 3 But just seems like they're on the right track. It would have been insane if they had not taken a quarterback.
I'm glad that they're not insane.

Speaker 1 Should we talk some basketball?

Speaker 3 Congratulations, Hank.

Speaker 1 Congratulations, Hank. Thank you.

Speaker 3 Thank you. Soul Patch bet is officially on the clock.

Speaker 5 I'm excited. I'm ready.

Speaker 5 The Celtics are tested. They know what it's like.

Speaker 5 They had to be locked in. The Hawks played well.
They fought well. But now the Celtics are in the mindset of they know what they have to do to win.
Sixers have had a lot of time off.

Speaker 5 Didn't have to really sweat to win those games. Celtics are going to come out hot, blow them out, game one.

Speaker 3 The Celtics have won a can't-lose game.

Speaker 1 Baker and denzel ward 2017 brown yeah 2018 browns okay yeah that was one and four so hank are you you're ready locked loaded no problem i'm ready for a sweep sweep either way no celtics oh okay and max you were now max has basically been like he's had free you know house money for the last week and now it's all setting in like oh fuck i think yeah so max has gone through the whole gambit of emotions i'm so excited for this for for for our show because it's going to be great to watch.

Speaker 1 But Max had

Speaker 1 he was scared, then MB got healthy in the Celtics lost game five, and then he got happy. And then you could tell tonight he was rooting very hard for the Hawks.

Speaker 1 And I think he liked then the clock struck midnight and he was like, uh-oh. No.

Speaker 3 Uh-oh. The thing about Max is he's never been worried about this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and he'll beat Hank's ass. No.

Speaker 1 Think about Max. Think about me.

Speaker 1 No, it'll be a fun series.

Speaker 1 We need to do a super cut of Max just pausing and being like, no, no, it's going to be a fun time.

Speaker 1 No, it's going to be fun.

Speaker 1 The last time I spoke about this series, I was a little bit more nervous.

Speaker 3 But you're not nervous now.

Speaker 1 No, I mean,

Speaker 1 it's still a playoff series. Celtics are a good team.
They may not be as good as I thought that they were. I will say that.
The Hawks are a bad team.

Speaker 1 That's one thing that we need to discuss: that the Hawks are the best.

Speaker 5 But the Nets were just a great team with all their star players that

Speaker 1 were through the Nets. It wasn't even a question.
Storm Roll. Storm Roll.
They got scotted. Storm Roll.

Speaker 1 Big Storm was coming in.

Speaker 1 Stormrolled. Storm Rolled right through the Nets.
So, no, I'm ready.

Speaker 1 I'm happy for the Hawks that they were able to get and beat as much rest as he possibly could going into the next series. I still don't think he'll be at 100%, but he'll be good to go.

Speaker 1 We'll get some steroids shot in him, right, Bill? Yeah, probably at him. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 He'll go right through the pain, and Sixers are going to win. Sixers and six.

Speaker 3 Sixers and six.

Speaker 3 Okay. That makes sense to me.

Speaker 1 Hank?

Speaker 5 I think it's going to be Celtics in four or five.

Speaker 1 I mean, Celtics' defense was horrible in this series.

Speaker 1 They were very bad.

Speaker 5 They were really good.

Speaker 1 But I know I do one of 12 in the second half in this game, and they almost won. I do.

Speaker 5 Not really. Celtics blew him out in the fourth quarter.
I I do truly believe that it was good that the Celtics had to kind of have that wake-up call, like, oh, fuck, we have to lock all the way in.

Speaker 1 This can't, you can't

Speaker 5 pause in the playoffs. You can't take your foot off the gas.
And now they're in that mindset. They know.
They know. Losing those games was good for them.

Speaker 5 And going to games have wouldn't have been bad because of rest, but they have plenty of rest.

Speaker 1 They'll be good. Okay.

Speaker 1 So I'm just, I'm so excited for this.

Speaker 5 The schedule works out great for the show.

Speaker 1 Well, no, not really. Yeah.

Speaker 5 We're going to be out next week.

Speaker 5 Right, that part doesn't work.

Speaker 5 No, but we're streaming Monday.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Wednesday, Friday, we're out, but then it's Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 That is good.

Speaker 5 And so, and we were going to be gone next week.

Speaker 1 So, not a sweep.

Speaker 5 For the Wednesday, Friday, anyway.

Speaker 1 So, the way you just described that was not a sweep.

Speaker 5 That's just the schedule of the games.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 you didn't say if necessary. Yeah, you were like, the schedule works out very well.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Every game outside of the first four will be show days.
No, Sunday night.

Speaker 5 No, we'll have a stream Sunday night. You'll see.

Speaker 1 And now shaving your face. Oh,

Speaker 1 on stream. You'll be shaving your face.

Speaker 3 You'll be shaving your face.

Speaker 1 What are the exact terms?

Speaker 3 Because I'm getting confused. The exact terms of the bet.
Loser, soul patch. Sweep.
Sweep, two months non-consecutive of having a soul patch. Correct.
And then I'm on the Sixers.

Speaker 3 And then Big Cat is on

Speaker 1 Paul, Blake Griffin. We got to figure out that number.

Speaker 5 You don't like Blake?

Speaker 1 I love Blake. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 I love Josh Harris, though.

Speaker 1 20? Is 20 fair? For both combined? Yes. Yeah.
I think that's fair. 20 points.
In the series? Yeah. Total? Yeah.
No, B-Ball Paul is going to get that in one night.

Speaker 3 One B's not going to play.

Speaker 1 All right, so what's a fair number?

Speaker 5 I don't know. We can figure that out.
I'm not worried.

Speaker 5 I'm rooting for Blake.

Speaker 1 Has Blake played? Same. I hope Blake has really good scores.
I hope Blake gets in a shitload. Scores a ton.
All right, we'll figure out that number. It should be like whatever their

Speaker 1 season average is, half

Speaker 1 and also in a sweep.

Speaker 1 So four games times their season half of their season average.

Speaker 1 Okay, what else? Oh,

Speaker 1 is there a chance the Leafs blow this?

Speaker 3 Yeah, there's definitely a chance. They showed the graphic earlier today of their last like 14 clinching games, all losses.
There's always a chance with Leafs. They will figure out a way to blow it.

Speaker 3 But I don't know. I guess I just haven't experienced Leaf's failure on a first-person basis enough.

Speaker 3 I've really only got last year and then what's happened so far this playoffs to really understand what it's like rooting for the Maple Leafs in a playoff series. It's not good.
It's bad, in fact.

Speaker 3 Even when they're winning, it feels like they could blow it at any given time.

Speaker 3 But as Jake pointed out tonight, the thing I was confused about at the start of the game, trying to figure out which team was which team, because their pantones of blue are the exact same.

Speaker 3 There's not even a difference. 281C.
281C. They're the exact same.
That's tricky on the eyes. But yeah, I'd say probably like a 70% chance that the Leafs blow it, which is lower than normal.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It feels.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Maybe it's just, you know, one game, but it also is like the

Speaker 1 Lightning had been there many times before. If they win this game six,

Speaker 1 oh boy. That would really suck for Lee's fans.

Speaker 3 It really would. I just looked it up.

Speaker 1 B-Ball Paul is averaging four points a game, and Blake's averaging four points a game.

Speaker 1 So the total over-under should be like 16 for the whole series. Is that fair? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Wait, for both of them combined? Yeah. So if they're both averaging four points a game, then it would be half 32, wouldn't it?

Speaker 1 No, no, I said half of their season average times four games. Okay, yeah.
So 16 points I need out of both of them combined? Yeah, sure. I mean,

Speaker 1 Blake hasn't been playing a ton.

Speaker 1 Blake's a matchup guy, though. He is a matchup guy.
Maybe they'll play against each other. Blake should be playing way more.
God damn it. Get him in the game.

Speaker 1 He'll have his day. All right, so I need 16 points.
16 points?

Speaker 3 Totally. I think it's 17.

Speaker 1 16 and a half. 16 and a half.
16 and a half points out of B-Ball Paul and Blake Griffin combined for me not to get a soul patch. I like that.
I will be...

Speaker 1 In a lot of trouble if I have to get a soul patch when a baby's coming.

Speaker 3 Oh, those are are gonna be some great pictures.

Speaker 1 That's a future me problem, boys. That's a future me problem.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 a lot, a lot of trouble.

Speaker 6 This is the picture of when you were bored.

Speaker 1 Let's just get Paul Reed together. Let's get people Paul and Blake Crypto 17 points.

Speaker 1 That's just what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 So now you're rooting for MB to get to stay hurt, too?

Speaker 1 No, I'm rooting for a seven-game series because then I have, I think I can hit it. If it goes six or seven, I think I'm okay.
But

Speaker 1 if it goes significantly less,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.

Speaker 1 Now I feel just as nervous as fucking Max. What do you have, PFT?

Speaker 3 I've got the Sixers. I'm rooting for Josh Harris.
All right. And also.

Speaker 1 But again, you don't. Oh, man.
What? You want the Soul Patch? Yeah, you don't want to soul the soul.

Speaker 1 You just want to rock the Soul Patch.

Speaker 3 No, no, I don't want to have the Soul Patch.

Speaker 3 I want to feel something in this series.

Speaker 5 You could rock a Soul Patch and no one would say anything about it.

Speaker 1 That's not true.

Speaker 1 I don't think anyone would say anything.

Speaker 3 It's a bad soul patch.

Speaker 1 I don't think. I don't think if I close my eyes, it's like like just be a Howie Mandel.

Speaker 3 Yeah, just strictly the Howie Mandel.

Speaker 1 Hank, when was the last time you're going to be able to do that? You guys don't have to shave your heads, right? Just not.

Speaker 6 Is it under the lip or on the chin?

Speaker 1 Under the lip. 17 is a lot of points.
I'm looking right now. It's not that big.
No, it's not. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Bibal Paul is going to have 10 points.

Speaker 1 He literally, because MB didn't play.

Speaker 1 EB didn't play.

Speaker 5 It's not going to be a sweep.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
You promise? I guess if it's a sweep, then I just get to laugh at you. Now, Hank is, oh, this is so bad.
Why am I involved in this?

Speaker 5 I'm excited.

Speaker 1 Real excited.

Speaker 3 This is bigger than the finals.

Speaker 1 Every point from B-ball, Paul, and Blake Griffin is going to feel like a Super Bowl for me.

Speaker 1 Every single point matters. Yeah, this is going to be great.
All right.

Speaker 3 Also, Skip Bayless weighed in, and he said that the Sixers are way, way, way, way, way, way that greater than sign. I have no idea where this is going.
Way, way, way, way, way better than the Celtics.

Speaker 3 Uh-oh. So, Skip Bayless is on our side.
We should actually. Everybody tells Skip Bayless he has to get a soul patch if the Sixers lose too.
Yeah. He's in on this patch, whether he likes it or not.

Speaker 1 Everyone tweet him. All right, let's

Speaker 1 keep it to ourselves. We're going to talk.
The Devils beat the Rangers, too. Oh, yeah.
The Rangers are done. The Rangers are pathetic.
The Rangers are pathetic. They are.

Speaker 1 Like, that is a pathetic to be up 2-0

Speaker 1 with two games at home, and then they obviously lost in New Jersey tonight, but they are pathetic. 4-0 shutout.
Rangers fans. Not over yet.
Pathetic performance. That is.
It is.

Speaker 3 That's pathetic. Are they dead? I think the Rangers might be dead.

Speaker 1 It feels like that.

Speaker 1 I mean, they they got shut out. Yeah.
No, that's pathetic.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we're going to talk all Giannis, Bucks, all the Wednesday night action, every series that went on. And then we have Carson Palmer and Firefest.

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Speaker 1 Let's have a debate about failure because the playoffs Wednesday night,

Speaker 1 the Heat beat the Bucs in five.

Speaker 1 And Jimmy Butler does it again. Jimmy Butler was insane in game four with 56 points.
He backed it up again with 42, 7, and 8 in game five. The Bucs blew another huge lead.

Speaker 1 They were up 13 going into the fourth quarter. It was the biggest comeback in a clinching game.
He went in overtime. And then Giannis, after the game,

Speaker 1 was asked,

Speaker 1 let's set the stage. So he was asked after the game, is this season a failure? Bad question, I would say.

Speaker 3 Weird question. Weird question because

Speaker 3 it implies that the term failure, it's kind of loaded. Right.

Speaker 3 Did you fail in your ultimate goal? Yes. But when you say failure, you're kind of asking him like, this season might, you wish this season never had.
Right.

Speaker 1 So he responded: quote, it's not a failure. It's steps to success.
There's always steps to it. Michael Jordan played 15 years, won six championships.
The other nine years, were they a failure?

Speaker 1 MJ definitely would say yes. Without a doubt,

Speaker 3 if you were to ask that same question, you'd be like, Yeah, this season sucked. It's not worth it.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's what you're telling me. It's the wrong question, Giannis continued.
There's no failure in sports. There's good days, bad days.
Some days you're successful. Some days you're not.

Speaker 1 Some days, days, it's your turn. Some days it's not your turn.
And that's what sports is about. You don't always win.
Sometimes other people win, and this year somebody else is going to win.

Speaker 1 Simple as that.

Speaker 5 I feel the same way.

Speaker 1 Okay. Hank is talking about the lottery ball right now.

Speaker 1 this was a great i my initial take so it was funny because the game ended really late and yannis has like a lot of like he's one of the most likable athletes i think in across all sports no one really hates yannis he is seems like a great dude obviously an incredible basketball player couple mvps championship he's got a loaded trophy closet he gives great quotes there was the initial like oh yannis this is so profound and i watched it in the morning when i woke up and i was like wait this is like something you say to a bunch of like 10 year olds in little league it's okay to say the bucks season was a failure yannis isn't a failure none of the players are a failure their season was a failure they were the one seed they had the most wins in the in in the regular season they were odds on favorites and they got bounced in five games that's a failure now so if you were to say that to a group of little league kids it's because you're trying to teach them what would be the right lesson in life right where this is you want them to grow up to have this perspective that Giannis already has as an adult.

Speaker 3 So it's, I guess, technically.

Speaker 1 Well, you teach it to them because they're not going to be professional athletes and they need to learn that, like,

Speaker 1 the journey and everything like that and how to win well and lose well and all that.

Speaker 3 So Giannis has almost too much perspective. Right.

Speaker 3 Which if he hadn't already won a championship, I would definitely say this is why Giannis will never win an NBA championship because he has too much perspective in things.

Speaker 3 It's like when we're talking about Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, like Aaron Rodgers has all the perspective in the world because of his psychedelic use, which is not the trait that you want in an elite quarterback.

Speaker 3 You want a guy to be a complete psycho and to say, I will literally get divorced if it means that you try to keep me from winning football games.

Speaker 3 So in an ideal world, in the world of professional sports, you want as little perspective as possible sometimes. Giannis will.
You want psychos. Well, yes, you want psychos.

Speaker 3 Giannis, well, technically being correct. With this take and saying all the right things and what you would hope that citizens of the world would grow grow up to be thinking to themselves.

Speaker 3 At the same time, you're like, he doesn't have that dog in him.

Speaker 1 Well, it's just, it's professional sports. And expectation does change like these post-game comments.
Because if De'Aaron Fox or Malik Monk said this, I'd be like, okay, they're on the way up.

Speaker 1 They're climbing. They're a young team.
No one expected this. Three seed, all that.
Giannis, you guys were expected to be competing for a title.

Speaker 1 You were expected to be in the Eastern Conference Final like at bare minimum when the bracket all broke out. And they lost in in five.

Speaker 1 Again, I don't, it's crazy like that people are like, well, Giannis isn't a failure. No shit, Giannis isn't a failure.
He's like overcome all odds.

Speaker 1 He's one of the best players in the NBA, but this season's a failure. I don't understand why you can't just say we failed at getting our goal.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so really the big winner in all this is the play-in tournament. Yeah.
Because the Heat become, they're the first team to ever advance after winning the play-in tournament, right? Yeah.

Speaker 3 So this is what we've always wanted for the play-in tournament. It might start meaning more now.
It might be meaningful games. Jimmy Butler.
Because of one Jimmy G. Butler who is now, you know what?

Speaker 3 Jimmy's number one. He's my number one player in the NBA.
Not everyone else is a failure.

Speaker 3 And also, if you look at, you have to look at this through the lens anytime you talk about basketball of what would Michael Jordan do and also what would LeBron do in a situation like this.

Speaker 3 And if LeBron had been the one to say, this season's not a failure, I made a lot of good friends along the way and had some great practices and enjoyed time spent on this earth.

Speaker 3 We would lead the next five shows off with talking about LeBron.

Speaker 1 It was one of my criticisms with Coach K when he'd have like a one or two seed and he and after they would get bounced in the tournament, he'd be like, it's about teaching young men how to become like adults.

Speaker 1 It's like, no, you wanted to win a title. You wanted to win a title.
That was the goal. It's okay in professional sports to be like, we're trying to win a title.

Speaker 1 And if we don't win a title, we failed, especially when you are the best team in the league. Hank, I know that you saw this and you were like, this is ridiculous.
Yeah, this is.

Speaker 1 The hat you're wearing right now, your city of champions, you probably saw this and were like, gross. I hate that hat, but I love it at the same time.

Speaker 1 Any team that's a family, any season that doesn't end a championship is a failure.

Speaker 5 A couple quick notes from the game.

Speaker 1 Well, no, so that.

Speaker 3 What if you get to a lot of championships?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I think that depends.

Speaker 1 I think it does depend, like, because someone was like, oh, well, don't you say that. If the Celtics series

Speaker 5 last year was not a failure.

Speaker 1 But it was. Oh, yeah.
Losing the championship. Yeah, when you're in the championship.

Speaker 1 If the Celtics lost in the first round to the Hawks, that's a failure.

Speaker 5 Colossal failure. That's a failure.

Speaker 1 Losing two games is a failure. And again, it doesn't mean any of these guys are failures.
Like,

Speaker 1 I quickly realized because it was a nice, healthy debate, that it became a semantics battle, too, where it's like, we shouldn't, this is stupid now because people are saying, like, well, now you're calling Yannis.

Speaker 1 I'm never calling Yannis a failure, but it's, and I think if you're a fan of the Bucs and you, like, pay money and you invest your time and everything to have them be like, no, it's not a failure, that, you'd be like, what the fuck, dude?

Speaker 1 Like, it's okay. It's not saying that you suck or that

Speaker 1 the history of like the future of the Bucs is ruined or anything like that. This season was a failure.

Speaker 3 It's like the difference in grade school. When you're a young kid, we were graded on the curve of like G for good or O for outstanding, G for good, S for satisfactory, N for needs improvement.
Right.

Speaker 3 And then you get above like second grade and the F starts to hit, which stands for failure. The Bucks need improvement, but also this season was a failure.
You could also say disappointing.

Speaker 3 This is a disappointing entry

Speaker 3 for the Bucs, but

Speaker 3 failure. It was technically a failure, but you're not a failure.
I guess the new debate, instead of done or finished, like, is it a failure or is it disappointing?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well,

Speaker 1 it just becomes a semantics battle where it's like, how do you define failure? These guys all have reached the pinnacle of professional. No shit.

Speaker 1 The guys who are playing on the court aren't failures.

Speaker 3 I'm going to let our good friend Webster solve this one. I looked it up.
No, Oxford. This is coming from Oxford.
A failure is defined as a lack of success. I would say that this is a failure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this season was a lack of success. Yes.

Speaker 1 By the letter of the law, this is a failure.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 6 What are you going to say, Billy? I just feel like Giannis embodies the city and the team.

Speaker 6 Like, he sees himself as synonymous, so it was hard for him to say, like, to remove himself and be like, the Bucs have failed.

Speaker 1 Well, he does have, like, he has really good perspective, and he's a very likable guy. But this one, I just feel like it's okay to be like, yeah, we failed.
Our goal was to to win a title.

Speaker 3 Can I give you a spin zone on this one, big cat? You know who a minority investor in the Bucs is, minority owners. Yes, Aaron Rodgers.
Another postseason loss

Speaker 3 for Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 Failure.

Speaker 5 Two, I just feel like I got to put this on the record, but the fact that the heat, the Jimmy Butler play to go into overtime, you know, basically happened in a second or less than a second, maybe a second and a half.

Speaker 3 There was

Speaker 3 over two seconds left.

Speaker 5 There was 0.8 left, and the Bucs had a timeout, and they just didn't call it.

Speaker 5 When the Heat basically scored in a play where that was take a second or less, so the Bucs could have done something similar, and they just chose not to.

Speaker 1 So, if Giannis was, this would have been way more explosive, but he should have just been like, yeah, our coach is a failure.

Speaker 1 Because not only did Bud go to overtime with the timeout in his back pocket, I'm pretty sure they finished overtime with a timeout in his back pocket. Grayson Allen finished the game.

Speaker 1 The Bucs season finished without a last shot.

Speaker 5 That was, you know, a few times in sports, I was laughing out loud at that last shot attempt.

Speaker 5 It was so funny when it got to Grayson Allen and he just didn't even get a shot off trying to do a Euro step with zero seconds left. Yeah, it was, I was like, legitimately like, what is it?

Speaker 1 I can't believe that just happened. You don't really see that in pro.
I feel like in college, yeah. Yeah, the Badgers might have done that in the NIT semifinal where they just played hot potato for

Speaker 1 that. But it was, it was a coaching masterclass by Spolstra and a complete dud by Coach Bud because he was, there was a couple things.

Speaker 1 One is afterwards, Giannis was asked, did he wish he had guarded guarded Jimmy Butler more? Because Drew Holiday was getting torched by Jimmy Butler. Like, he was.

Speaker 1 And Jimmy Butler was talking all the shit.

Speaker 1 He kept on screaming at him on your head, on your head. I think he pointed at the drumbo chomp.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he just kept on being like, I'm doing it on your head, which was, I fucking love Jimmy Butler so much.

Speaker 1 But Spo,

Speaker 1 so that last play that you mentioned,

Speaker 1 it was afterwards.

Speaker 1 Jimmy Butler said he told Spo that he thought Drew Holiday, the exact quote is he believed Drew Holiday would lock and trail behind him on that lob at the end of regulation and that it would open up the lob over the top and Spo was like, yes to it.

Speaker 3 Yep.

Speaker 1 And then on the other side, Giannis was asked why he didn't guard Jimmy Butler more. And Giannis said,

Speaker 1 yes, out of respect, you got to let Coach make that adjustment. At the end of the day, I wish I could guard him more.
Like Giannis.

Speaker 1 is the best player on the court. He should be guarding Jimmy Butler.
He should tell his coach, hey, coach, you're an idiot. I should be guarding him.
Clearly, this is not working.

Speaker 1 Yet, Giannis was, you know, was like, no, I trust my coach, which was a mistake because

Speaker 1 Bud got absolutely manhandled.

Speaker 3 And I don't know if this, this could be a fake quote.

Speaker 5 I just want to say it before I say it. I did see it in the replies, but when the Raptors were down 0-2 to the Bucs with Kawhi, the year they won the championship, there was a quote that

Speaker 5 the coach came in and was like, we're going to make some adjustments. And Kawhi told the coach, yeah, the adjustment is I'm guarding

Speaker 1 Giannis.

Speaker 1 It is a player leak.

Speaker 1 Like, the best players should, if the best player, I know the coaches have a job, but like, if Jimmy Butler says to Spo, this is what we can do to score this basket, Spo's like, yeah, you're the best player.

Speaker 1 You see what, you see better than I can right now. Whereas Giannis, he should just go guard Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 1 And it was, we should say, one, one, one caveat, Jimmy Butler did kind of shove on that last play.

Speaker 3 He did kind of shove. He did push off.

Speaker 1 But also, the Bucs were getting every call.

Speaker 3 Did they call it? No, they didn't. Then he didn't push off.

Speaker 1 He didn't push as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 3 Let me me ask you this, hypothetical, who would you rather have guarding the rim on that last shot? Giannis or Conaton?

Speaker 1 Well, here's another thing that happened.

Speaker 5 They put Conanton in just for that play, too.

Speaker 1 Here's what also happened. Spo put Bam on the bench, and Bud then put Lopez on the bench.
Lopez, kind of important for a lob at the rim. Yep.
Kind of a guy you want out there. Now,

Speaker 1 Spo was just doing circles around him.

Speaker 3 You hardly ever see a lob at the rim on that play with like two seconds left. That's usually not the call.

Speaker 1 Jimmy's saying, This is, I think this is going to work. Let's do it.

Speaker 5 Spo's got to be the best coach in the league.

Speaker 1 He's so good. And even the little shit, like Bam was not great this series, but in the second, in the fourth quarter, they had Bam just bring, like, being like basically the point guard.

Speaker 1 And Lopez was just giving him all the space in the world, and he was able to pass to anyone, like, opened up the 13-point comeback.

Speaker 1 Like, everything Spo did, Bud was just standing there being like, gee, I don't know. Giannis should just post up, I guess.

Speaker 3 So it's crazy. I'd like to confirm Hank's fake quote.

Speaker 1 It's actually real.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So it was from Phil Handy.
He wrote this down. Kawhi said, the adjustment is, I'm guarding Giannis, and then he walked out of the locker room.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And that's it.
Like, that's what, like, when your best player says, especially when your best player steps up and is like, I'm going to do this.

Speaker 1 You know, that, like, why wouldn't that's the best coaching in the world? Get out of the way. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So maybe, again, Giannis has too much perspective. I'm going to let coach make the decisions.
I have to trust coach. Maybe he's just got to be a dick.

Speaker 3 Maybe occasionally Giannis has to just put his balls on the table.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I know, obviously, Giannis getting hurt changes the course of the series, but the Bucs one single win was when Giannis wasn't playing, and they blew double-digit leads in back-to-back games in the fourth quarter when they just couldn't score.

Speaker 1 I think they scored like two field goals from six minutes on in the regulation, including overtime. Like they just couldn't score when they needed to.
And Jimmy Butler is the man.

Speaker 1 Jimmy Butler is incredible. The Heat aren't full strength either.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Everyone's got injuries. injuries.

Speaker 5 And they had all their guys were fouled out in overtime. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Udonis with the most heat culture tech ever going at it with Bobby Portis. Yes, which was like, that's just two dogs barking at each other with a fence in between.

Speaker 1 Like, I just, I would love, like, I love both those guys. Yeah.
Yeah. But Jimmy Butler, like, this is now,

Speaker 1 like, his game four was one of the most impressive things I think we all had seen. To actually finish it off on the road and then have it be in five games, you beat the number one seed.

Speaker 3 Whamped him.

Speaker 1 Like, this is he's that's an all-time performance this entire series. And if they keep going, they play the Knicks, Tibbs versus Jimmy.
It's ready to go. It's going to be awesome.

Speaker 1 I have a little fun stat for you. Jimmy Butler in

Speaker 1 his games post-all-star game, 20 games. How many threes did he hit?

Speaker 1 Post-all game. 20 games.
Regular season only? Regular season. He hit 13.
He hit 12 in five games. And actually, 12 in four games because he didn't hit one in in the first game.

Speaker 3 He's the Switch guy.

Speaker 1 He's the ultimate.

Speaker 3 Jimmy Butler has officially flipped the Switch.

Speaker 1 Incredible. Incredible.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it was awesome to watch Jimmy the last two nights. God damn, he's good.

Speaker 1 He's so good.

Speaker 3 He's so good. And it feels like he's good just when he wants to be good.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He just turns it on. And he has that, like, I am better than you.
I'm going to take this game over on your head.

Speaker 1 Like, it's, there's just nothing better in sports than watching someone talk shit and then back it up. He's like the opposite of Dylan Brooks.

Speaker 3 I would like to say directly to our audience: part of my take is a failure because we pronounce heat culture to be dead.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 1 We failed. We did.
I did. I failed.

Speaker 3 Listen, we failed. We failed.
Heat culture was dead. Yeah.
We failed at correctly announcing the time of death of heat culture.

Speaker 1 Actually, maybe we were right because it's not heat culture. It's Jimmy Butler culture.

Speaker 3 But what brought in Jimmy Butler? He checked all the culture.

Speaker 1 But I think Jimmy Butler culture is now over heat culture. No, no, no.
Look at that.

Speaker 1 It's Jimmy Butler culture. Jimmy Butler did that.

Speaker 3 Duncan Robinson came. came out.

Speaker 1 He did that. Yeah.
But yeah, no, I did declare him dead. And I mean, it was shocking.
And even, I'll admit, like, we were talking about Bull Seat, we're like, eh. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're probably going to lose to the Bucs.

Speaker 1 I do wonder if Giannis didn't get injured, but guess what? That just happens. And like you said, Tyler Hero's injured.
He broke his hand. Is he coming back or no? I think if they make the finals.

Speaker 1 Okay, so. So probably not.
I'm not going to say it. No, I'm not going to say it.
I'm not going to say it.

Speaker 3 Probably not. I'll say it.
Heat culture's dead.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to say it.

Speaker 3 I haven't learned my lesson yet.

Speaker 1 I am officially, especially with the Lakers, who uh when put out another dud i feel like they're just they are like the jimmy butler as a team where they're just flip the switch like oh we don't we don't need to win game five we'll go back to los angeles and win game six i think they can they're playing with fire though i still think they can they're playing with fire the third quarter was was a dagger for them yeah they they thought they they would bring it back close but after that third quarter they weren't going to win that game yeah lebron said he had to be better he's like i'm a failure for the good of the game i'm i'm hoping for the lakers for the good of the game Yeah.

Speaker 1 Lakers. Lakers, Warriors, Celtics.
Yeah. Need to all advance.

Speaker 1 So the Warriors, the other thing, and we'll talk about Nick's Cavs, but Hank has never been more right about us being light the beam guys and being so excited.

Speaker 1 And then the Warriors have ripped off three straight wins, finally won on the road.

Speaker 3 There was a material change with De'Aaron Fox.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Although.

Speaker 1 I think it's just like the Warriors don't start the playoffs till Draymond gets suspended. Yeah.
And then they just, and then they're ready to kick it into gear.

Speaker 1 And then that last, that dagger layup that Curry made,

Speaker 1 I think they were up like four or five with like 40 seconds left where he just ran around the court with the ball. Like he hit every corner of the court and then hit a layup.

Speaker 1 It's like, yeah, that's why this guy is so fucking good.

Speaker 3 I think what's going to happen is if the Kings advance, we're going to be caught up again on the beam team.

Speaker 3 We're going to beam Omania.

Speaker 1 We'll be beaming everywhere. And we're going to be, yeah, dude.

Speaker 3 It's going to be beam pie. Yes.
And I'm going to be very excited about them moving on to the second round. And then they're going to start actually playing the second round.

Speaker 3 And I'm going to be like, I really wish that this was the Warriors.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, yes. So Warriors take a 3-2 lead back to the bay.

Speaker 1 Never say never, but that was like the Warriors not being able to win on the road, they checked that off, and now they can win game six.

Speaker 1 And then the Warriors, which would be crazy, if they win, they get home court, and the Lakers win, they get home court advantage as a sixth seed. That's huge.

Speaker 1 The playoffs have been so awesome because we usually don't have this. We had an insane upset, insane series performance from Jimmy Butler.
We've had Warriors, Kings, it's been awesome to watch.

Speaker 1 We've had Lakers, Grizzlies have like weird rivalries. It's like we usually don't get this in the first round of the playoffs.
Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 3 I think we do have to become a failure podcast.

Speaker 1 We have to just call it. We kind of are.
We are. Our takes are always failures.

Speaker 3 We have to embrace it. We have to judge everything as a failure from this point on.
Every small thing that happens.

Speaker 1 I mean, Jimmy Butler has been stuffing in your face for like four years since you called him a non-top 15 player.

Speaker 3 I said he was like 16 at the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he just keeps doing it.

Speaker 3 He is. So what's the bigger failure? Purdue or the Bucs?

Speaker 3 One seed's getting bounced. I would say

Speaker 1 Purdue. You think Purdue? The

Speaker 1 space of the underdogs versus the favorites there. Like the Heat.
I mean, the Heat had to go in. I'm the number one player in the league, according to you.

Speaker 3 Well, that's retroactive because he just did that. It's a chicken or the egg situation.

Speaker 1 FDU didn't put percentage on the tournament.

Speaker 1 Percentage-wise, I think that was the fifth or sixth time of one seed. Fifth time.
But there's only two one seeds. This is the second-wise.
Every time.

Speaker 1 Right? And they're four to seven versus one. But there's four one seeds in March Madness every year.
Yeah, they're number four, too.

Speaker 3 I would say that Purdue is a bigger failure, which means that the Bucs are a bigger failure at being a bigger failure.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm. Because they failed at being the best failure.
Yeah, right. Yeah.
Failure first.

Speaker 1 Double failure. Yeah, like Giannis couldn't be more wrong.
Yep. They're the ultimate failure.
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 So in conclusion, Giannis is a pussy, and I would beat the shit out of him.

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Speaker 1 Nick's Cavs.

Speaker 1 I have, so Nick's,

Speaker 1 like, they're legitimately good.

Speaker 1 Julius Randle, he got hurt. Like, he was terrible all series.
Jalen Brunson's awesome. Fucking Josh Hart's awesome.
R.J. Barrett's been playing well.
Like, the Knicks are good.

Speaker 1 And the Cavs are a couple years away still. I don't know.
Like, that was.

Speaker 1 They got absolutely dominated on the boards in every game. I do have one good thing for the Cavs that they can, Cavs fans who are listening can take this with them.

Speaker 1 Ricky Rubio, after the game, reiterated what Danny Green said in the locker locker room saying that the Cavs were better than the Knicks, but they didn't show it and New York wanted it more.

Speaker 1 So the Cavs technically won that series because they were better, but the Knicks

Speaker 1 were one.

Speaker 1 But the Cavs were better. They just didn't show it.

Speaker 3 The Cavs were better. They didn't show it plus the effort.

Speaker 1 The Cavs didn't. If the Cavs played their best game, they would have won that series, but they never played their best game.

Speaker 3 But they also didn't want it enough. So it's a formula with the two things that you need to win a series that they didn't do.

Speaker 1 They had one of them. But they were better.
They were better. They just didn't play better.

Speaker 3 But the two things, they didn't play better. They didn't demonstrate that they were better.

Speaker 1 You need three things. You need to be better, to want it more, and then to play better.
So they had one of the three.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so that means that the other team had two of the three.

Speaker 3 And that's why they won more.

Speaker 1 That's exactly how the series works.

Speaker 3 But that still means that the other team's better.

Speaker 1 But if we did it on paper or on an Excel sheet, the Cavs have advanced. Okay, got it.
Because they were more talented. Got it, okay.

Speaker 3 Right. Congratulations to the Cavs.

Speaker 1 Congratulations to the Cavs. They were better than the Knicks.

Speaker 3 Knicks season is a failure.

Speaker 1 According to Ricky Rubio and Danny Green. Got it.
That's loser talk. That is.

Speaker 3 Something might have gotten lost in translation.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it was a reporter reporting that Danny Green also said that. So they both.
At least they're on the same team. They both walked in just being like, damn.
We were better than those.

Speaker 1 Even though we lost in five games and got fucking curb stomped multiple times.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, we were told going into the playoffs that the the Cavs would be the fun team that could go on a little run. They weren't fun at all.
They weren't fun.

Speaker 1 They were not fun at all.

Speaker 3 If you're going to lose like that and you're going to be better, at least be the more fun team. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, they, yeah, like the Kings could lose. Kings would potentially lose and we'd be like, well, that was fun.
Yeah. Cavs were just depressing and played shitty basketball.

Speaker 3 Yep.

Speaker 1 And now we have Tibbs versus Jimmy and New York is on fire for the Knicks. It's going to be fun.
Are you going to go to any of the games, Chick? When's game one? Sunday afternoon. In

Speaker 1 Here. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 If I go, I'll be using game time. Last one to take us $20 off code PMT.
So we'll see. But the tickets are pretty steep for a Madison Square Garden team player.
I'm sure they're getting insane.

Speaker 1 Insane. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Hockey playoffs.

Speaker 1 Hank, we only had, oh, no, we had two games. So the Kraken are now up 3-2 on the Aves.

Speaker 3 So Ryan Whitney's a total fraud.

Speaker 1 Yep. Big time.
And then the Bruins now have to go to game six back down to Florida.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it was a tough couple days over at the TD Bank North Garden.

Speaker 1 So how you feeling?

Speaker 5 Same way as the Celtics. I think if either these games go to seven, then it's a scary, scary collapse situation that neither team should be in this situation.
Omark blacked out in overtime.

Speaker 5 I'm not a goalie. I'm not a hockey X's nose guys, but I don't know what he was doing, what he was thinking.

Speaker 5 I think he just blacked out.

Speaker 5 I think he just forgot where he was, what his job was, that he was a goalie, not a player. And maybe he got colorblind, forgot who was on what team.

Speaker 3 What's the opposite of standing on your head?

Speaker 5 Standing on your feet.

Speaker 3 He was standing on his feet out there. He was standing on his feet.

Speaker 1 So we already know what happened in Celtics Hawks because we taped the beginning of the show after all that stuff. But let's just pretend that the Celtics lost.

Speaker 5 They didn't.

Speaker 3 Okay. That would be a tough day to wear that hat.

Speaker 1 So you don't want to pretend.

Speaker 5 No. If the Celtics loss, I will be panicked, shook.

Speaker 5 Shooketh?

Speaker 5 Not a happy camper.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 What if both teams just got bounced in the first round?

Speaker 3 You have to give that hat to Max. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Meanwhile, Max is like, so how we're taping the show today, because the draft goes late, we're taping this. It's like six o'clock in the afternoon or evening.

Speaker 1 And then we'll tape the whole show, the beginning of the show, after the draft, after the Celtics and stuff. So I keep saying we'll do all the draft

Speaker 1 stuff later tonight. And Max just keeps chiming in on the group text being like, also Celtics, Hawks, because some teams still are in the first round.
Have you noticed those texts?

Speaker 1 I have noticed those texts.

Speaker 5 Listen, I'm saving it. Like I said, I'm not.
I'm putting my focus back on beating the Hawks, so I'm not worried about Max or Philly. But by the time you're listening to this,

Speaker 5 I'll be ready to go.

Speaker 1 Right. And yeah, by the time you're listening to this, the Celtics have already won.
Yeah. Yeah, right.
So you're good.

Speaker 5 Celtics have won. Jason Tatum over 25.5 points.
Al Horford over 15.5 points rebounds assist.

Speaker 3 Trey Young, no shimmies.

Speaker 5 I'll be rich.

Speaker 1 And why'd you do that bet?

Speaker 5 Because of the PMTV vet. Big Cat deleted footage last week cursing my bet.
Nope. We went to court.
Judge Jerry was the judge and watched to figure out what happened.

Speaker 1 No, yeah. I would say the court,

Speaker 1 the court hearing that we had, I think everyone lost.

Speaker 1 Because Hank and I quickly learned that we don't know anything about law, how legal proceedings work. We just, we both started the video just being like, all right, present your case.

Speaker 1 and then I was like, Wait, am I presenting mine? And then we just ended it with us yelling over each other.

Speaker 3 I, I, I've watched probably uh four to five hundred episodes of Law and Order, all sorts of other cop TV shows growing up. I still have no idea what it means when you do the uh objection, Your Honor.

Speaker 1 Oh, we were objecting each other back and forth. The judge says, Either overruled or sustained.

Speaker 3 I was no idea what the overrule or sustained means.

Speaker 1 Listen, I was throwing erroneous out there, we were throwing objection, we were saying like court of order, and like all kinds of shit that that made no sense.

Speaker 1 But yeah, Hank and I are in a good spot now. Yeah, are you? Yeah, we are.
We did. We settled it like men.
Meaning I had to pay him a fee, which is still...

Speaker 1 I thought about it when I woke up this morning. I was like, wait, why'd I do that? He owes me $280,000 in jinx bets.
Boss, the court. Let's not do it again.
Objection. Objection on myself.

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Speaker 1 And the golf video is coming out Friday. Next,

Speaker 1 no.

Speaker 1 No, the graphics are getting announced, are getting revealed Thursday night.

Speaker 1 For the golf video? No, tonight's PM TV with the course.

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Speaker 1 Shout out graphics. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Shout out graphics.

Speaker 1 And if you're watching this on YouTube right now and you're just scrolling around being like, where's this this golf video? It's not there yet. Just know that it'll be there next week.
Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. It's worth the wait.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Thursday. You love golf.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 The video is not for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 But it's fun like good golf?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Like if you're, yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's funny though.

Speaker 1 Can't wait.

Speaker 3 Next Monday.

Speaker 1 Next Monday. That is not what I said.
Next Thursday. I said next Thursday.
Okay. Can we do an early drop?

Speaker 1 It'll be Thursday. Thursday 500,000 subscribers right yep yeah weekly videos come out on Thursday next week's weekly video will be goth okay got it so no chance even if people ask nicely

Speaker 1 it will be there's always a chance there's always a chance if people ask nicely sure you know what there's always a chance

Speaker 1 at Philly Maze yeah yeah yeah yeah underscore maze Philly underscore maze yeah sure anyone who wants to anyone wants to talk some shit come on over

Speaker 1 all right

Speaker 1 let's get to our interview. We got Carson Palmer talking his career, draft night stuff, who he likes in the quarterback class.
Great interview with him in person.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on recurring guests. Haven't seen him in a few years.
It is Carson Palmer, Heisman Trophy winner, three-time NFL Pro Bowler.

Speaker 1 He's here with Level Select, which we want to talk about. But first of all, thank you for coming back in.
Great to see you. And it's perfect.

Speaker 1 We're going to run this on Friday, so right after the draft, the first round. Okay.
This is your 20-year anniversary of being selected number one overall, correct?

Speaker 1 It's, I like, I want to know from your perspective, like, tell us everything about your draft night because I feel like every sports fan on draft night lives that imagination of like man if I was one of these guys was it as cool as we think it is so

Speaker 7 it was it was amazing it was cool but it was different because I had agreed to a contract prior to the draft so I was excited to go to New York because everybody wants to go to New York that's not that doesn't get to live here and so I went to Cincinnati to sign the contract like on Tuesday oh and then had a had a big press conference, did that whole deal, and then Wednesday flew from Ohio to New York.

Speaker 7 And then I was in New York. And I wasn't nervous.

Speaker 7 I'm in the green room. I'm hanging out.
We had champagne going. It was awesome.
Everybody else in the room is stressed and doesn't know. And so I knew, I felt great.
My family knew.

Speaker 7 Everybody knew that the news had come out. And so we went out the night before, had a fantastic night.

Speaker 7 I was hurting the next day of the draft because I didn't have to like, you know, sit, you know, on pins and cushions. Where am I going to live next year? Who's going to draft me?

Speaker 1 I knew where I was going. The phone phone call and all that.

Speaker 7 All that. And so,

Speaker 7 you know, this is back when Tagliabu was a commissioner. So Taglibu comes out and says, you know, welcome to the 2003 NFL draft.
The Bengals are on the clock and turns around and walks.

Speaker 7 And this is when it was at Radio City Music Hall, and the whole place starts booing because they all knew the Bengals were going to draft me. They want to get to the number two pick.

Speaker 1 Let's go.

Speaker 7 But the production that the NFL does, so Tagliabu leaves and like the clock starts. And there's like 10 minutes that go by.
And everybody in the Highness is like, let's go. Let's get to the number.

Speaker 7 So they're booing, and I'm kind of hurting from the night before, and so I'm just like, let's go, let's let's get out there.

Speaker 7 So finally, then Tag Liboo comes back out, but but the anticipation is something I got to, I missed out on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was a little, like,

Speaker 7 no doubt, I was blessed and happy and excited to be where I was, but seeing the unknown around the room and everybody else in the room, you don't know.

Speaker 7 You could be living in Florida, Illinois, you name it.

Speaker 7 And so I kind of was a little jealous of that, like, oh, where am I going to go? Who's my draft? What's my new uniform? What, you know, what not, you know, all those what-ifs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the sliding door moment. That's like the excitement.
Like, my life can be totally different if one pick goes a different way.

Speaker 7 Totally. Everything could be different.
And so I missed out on that.

Speaker 7 But it was an amazing experience. I mean, the funny part from the player's perspective is...

Speaker 7 You know, you're so excited, you're celebrating, you're high-fiving,

Speaker 7 and then you come down to reality, like, oh, I got to get on a plane and go to this city and prove myself to a new coaching staff a new fan base learn a new off like it's like the work is just getting really going everybody around you is like we made it and you're like no i gotta now i gotta now i really gotta work i worked my butt off to get here and now i gotta start all over this is a new business a new game new system all these different things so it is a little bittersweet but it's great for your family because they're they're hyped they're partying they're enjoying it and you're like hold on take a step back i got to fly to wherever you're getting drafted to and really start the work then.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 3 did you get your first paycheck before the draft? Like, had that deposit hit yet?

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 7 No, because you get a signing bonus, but that doesn't, you know,

Speaker 7 the day you sign on the dotting line, it's not like all of a sudden you have money in your checking account.

Speaker 7 It takes some vetting and every lawyer's got to look at it and it takes a couple weeks before things get...

Speaker 1 So dumb question, and this is just how I would, like, if I was drafted in a pro sports league i do think i would just start giving everyone money did you do that at all like not like tons of money but like i'd give my you know best friends like hey here's five grand here you know mom and dad here's you know i'd just be handing out money for at least a little portion of time we celebrated i oh we did go out that night of the draft and I had never been in a situation where I could like get a table.

Speaker 7 Right. You know, and then, and then, and I'd never been to a, you know, a really high play.
I've been to die bars my whole life. And so we're in New York.
We go to this super foo-foo club.

Speaker 7 And the dude comes out. And all of a sudden,

Speaker 7 the bottles are coming out. And then for the first, I've never paid more than, you know, the most expensive thing I'd ever bought to that point was my rent, which was like $250 a month.

Speaker 7 And you're scraping by to make that happen in college. And then we go out the night of the draft and I got.
like a $50,000 bill or whatever it was. It was like mind-blowing.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 And then it was like, well,

Speaker 7 I can afford this I can cut this so I can put my credit card down but this just doesn't it that's an unnerving feeling no matter what what you're about to get when you see a big pace you know a big bill come like that it is

Speaker 3 makes your heart skip a beat for sure the first time yeah and you were the only rookie quarterback I don't know if that's still true to this day but the only person that was taken I want to say in the first round that didn't play a single snap your rookie year you didn't get on the field right I don't know if I was the only one I think there was

Speaker 7 I'm trying to think who was did Eli play

Speaker 3 he might have gotten in a little bit

Speaker 3 I think Warner got hurt one of the he like hurt his hand or something but I'm pretty sure that at least since you no other quarterback has gone through their entire rookie year without playing a single snap in a game do you I'm sure at the time you wanted to get on the field and you were like let me you know let me see what I can do you want to compete all that stuff do you think because there's a lot of conversation about drafting guys and then letting them develop behind you know a cemented starter all that stuff Do you think that actually not playing your rookie year was good for you in the long run?

Speaker 3 Or do you still look back and wish that you had gotten in?

Speaker 7 It was good and bad. It was good to get a chance to not get thrown to the wolves right away and get to kind of learn.
And I had John Kitten in front of me who was a phenomenal mentor.

Speaker 7 did everything right, showed me, kind of laid the groundwork for me. But I mean, I don't know.
I've been asked that question a million. I don't know the right answer.

Speaker 7 To each team, to each player, it's different. The difference now mainly is the way that the contracts are,

Speaker 7 you know, back in the day, I signed a seven-year deal with an eight-year option. Now, it's a four-year deal with a fifth-year option.
So, back in the day, they had

Speaker 7 the ability from an organizational standpoint to do that because they didn't have to start thinking about my next contract until really year six or seven.

Speaker 7 Now, you got to be ready to pay a guy or let him walk in year three. So, you don't have that opportunity to let him sit and develop.
You need game film. You need to see him in action.

Speaker 7 You need as much footage as you can before you make a decision and give him Jalen Hurts $255 million.

Speaker 7 Like

Speaker 7 you had all kinds of time to make that decision previously when you got seven years and that much footage to watch of a guy. Now, if you're not really...

Speaker 7 If you haven't made a decision in year three, this is our guy or this is not our guy, he's probably not your guy.

Speaker 7 But you only really have three years, two and a half years worth of game footage to make that decision. So really

Speaker 7 that's what changed with the most recent CBA is when they changed those rookie that rookie paid scale went from seven years down to four years. That accelerated the timeline.

Speaker 7 We got to get this kid in there, throw him in the fire, let's see what he's got because we got to start getting ready to make that decision. Are we going to pay him 50 a year or not?

Speaker 1 And that also from a team building, like we've seen it with Jalen Hurts, a good example, like that window that you have a guy on a cheaper deal, that's when you got to strike.

Speaker 1 Joe Burrow, perfect example, where it's like they're going to have to pay Joe Burrow a lot of money, and it's going to change the whole dynamic of the team.

Speaker 7 Well, Jalen's game is going to change. Yeah.
Because, I mean, he wasn't even on a top five pick rookie deal. He was on a low.
I mean, that's as minimum wage as it gets in the quarterback world.

Speaker 7 So he had A.J. Browns and Darius Slay at corner.

Speaker 7 I mean, there's some really good players in Philly that because of this new money that Jalen's got, he's not going to be surrounded by by all the talent he's been surrounded by on offense, defense, and special teams-wise.

Speaker 7 And then all of a sudden, you know,

Speaker 7 Philly, now that he's paid, they got to the Super Bowl. Now they expect him to win it.
And now Jalen has to win it, and he's eating up 12% of the salary cap.

Speaker 7 He was eating up 0.12% of the salary cap previously. So there is a lot more on his shoulders.
Obviously, the expectation, obviously, the pressure, but he's got to do a lot more to

Speaker 7 get a Super Bowl ring with less talent around him on both sides of the board.

Speaker 1 That's another dumb thing that I have, including like I would just give money to everyone, is that if I were a quarterback, I'd be like, you know what, I'll take like $100 million instead of $250 and just get really good players.

Speaker 1 That obviously isn't how it works. But in my head, I'm like, wouldn't you rather not have to do it all?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I agree. I was saying that

Speaker 7 before Dak Prescott got his big deal.

Speaker 7 Because the thing about if you play for certain organizations, if you play for the Dallas Cowboys, whatever you don't make on the field, you can make up off the field field on the mattress company that Dak is, you know, promoting.

Speaker 7 Like there is so much money to be made on the marketing side of things.

Speaker 7 If you were the Dallas Cowboys quarterback, I mean, you look back to three years ago, you had three Dallas Cowboys players on the number one teams in the booth.

Speaker 7 You had Aikman, you had Jason Witten, and you had Romo. And if you play for the Dallas Cowboys and you trust that

Speaker 7 the Jones family is going to make the right decisions, I think it's worth it to take a little less money on the field, have better players on the field, and open up even more doors if you win a Super Bowl off the field to making money marketing-wise in Dallas.

Speaker 3 You kind of have a long-term play. It's also tough to say, you know, $100 million is enough.
I don't need the extra $150 million on top of that.

Speaker 7 Well, you don't have to take that big of a pay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a big pain. You can also marry a billionaire model.

Speaker 7 That works too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's also an

Speaker 1 extra

Speaker 7 great success financially with a little insight on some companies to buy into. Warren Buffett's

Speaker 7 a family member.

Speaker 3 I want to marry Nancy Pelosi. That's my goal.
Oh, God.

Speaker 1 She's got it all figured out in a financial standpoint. Sounds awful.

Speaker 7 Sounds like a terrible decision.

Speaker 3 So, you know, along those same lines, if you're a quarterback for the Cowboys, you do have all these opportunities. You end up going to Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 Cincinnati, not a huge media market by any stretch of the imagination. When you were playing football in college,

Speaker 3 It probably wasn't your dream to play on the Cincinnati Bengals one day, right? But it's still an awesome thing. You're the first overall pick.
That's a great moment.

Speaker 3 That's unbelievable. Was there any just thing in the back of your head like,

Speaker 3 yeah, it's the Bengals, but you know, it's going to be great, but it's also the Bengals.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, I grew up in Colorado, you know, watching the Broncos play in Southern California without a pro football team.

Speaker 7 I didn't know a whole lot about the Bengal because they didn't play on Monday Night Football. They didn't win a bunch of Super Bowls or ever really go to the playoffs.

Speaker 7 So I just didn't know.

Speaker 7 And at that point in your life, everybody's telling you the greatest thing in the world. I was young and dumb

Speaker 7 and said, I don't care how bad they are. I'm going to go there and win a bunch of Super Bowls.
So you're just young and dumb and you don't know what

Speaker 7 to not know.

Speaker 7 And so I just didn't know what I was getting into. And I was excited about the opportunity, man.

Speaker 7 And the NFL dream is an NFL dream. It doesn't matter if it's the Miami Dolphins down in Florida or the Bengals or the Browns in Ohio.
It's an NFL team. And that excitement is enough to

Speaker 7 just playing in the NFL, have an opportunity to play on national television every time you step on the field

Speaker 7 is a dream come true. And it didn't matter if it was for the Bengals, the Browns, or the L.A.
Rams.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and you guys ended up having an awesome offense. I used to love watching you guys play.
Ocho Cinco, just an absolute legend, just a completely unique individual.

Speaker 3 I bet if you threw the ball at Ocho Cinco 20 times in a game, I bet he'd be like, why didn't you throw it to me 21 times?

Speaker 7 No doubt. No doubt.
Man, he was so good. He was

Speaker 7 back in the day, I don't know if there was, in my time,

Speaker 7 I think the two most feared players were Chad.

Speaker 7 Because if you're a corner and you had to play him one-on-one, it was an issue. You just couldn't keep up.
He was fast. He was quick.
He was explosive. He was 6'1 with long arms.
So he was big.

Speaker 7 He could stop on a dime. But him and Ladani and Tomlinson in their heyday were as feared as it gets.
And And then on the other side of Chad, we had T.J. Hushmanzada, who was a first-down machine.

Speaker 7 He was a slot receiver that was unbelievable. Peter Warwick was there when I first got there.
Remember P. Dubb back in the day, his full estate? I mean, he was awesome until he had that knee injury.

Speaker 7 But we had good players.

Speaker 7 And one of the great ones, too, that I didn't get to play with that was there before

Speaker 7 I started playing was Corey Dillon. Yeah.
And he had a couple good years

Speaker 7 at the end in New England, got a Super Bowl ring. So there was some offensive firepower in Cincy for sure.

Speaker 3 Great nickname too, Clock Killing Corey Dillon. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Love that.

Speaker 1 Do you remember the time you drove with Chad Otro Senko to Indianapolis to watch Peyton play? They made a big deal of that. You guys sent the last row? Did you guys send him the last row?

Speaker 7 No, no, no. We got tickets from Edgar and James.
He hooked us up in the family section.

Speaker 1 It was a cool story. You guys were like, hey, we want to go watch how, you know, Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison play.

Speaker 7 Yeah, we went to watch,

Speaker 7 you know, because Chad and I were having a lot of success on the field, but then we'd come off the field and he'd be, dude, I'm wide open. And I'd go look at the picture.

Speaker 7 I'd be like, there's 19 guys covering you. You're not.

Speaker 1 And so

Speaker 7 we went down there to see like what those guys were doing when the defense was on the field. What was Peyton doing? Was Peyton sitting by himself? Was he looking at pictures? What was Marvin doing?

Speaker 7 Was Marvin goofing off like Chad was? And so we went to learn. We saw them communicate.
They literally talked.

Speaker 7 every series after and it was never Marvin going over to Peyton it was Peyton coming over to Marvin and Reggie and so that was just something we implemented.

Speaker 7 We saw what they were doing on the field, obviously, but you don't get to see what they're doing when they're getting Gatorade in between series.

Speaker 7 And seeing that constant dialogue and talking about this, talking through that, that was something that helped Chad and I get even more on the same page.

Speaker 1 That's really cool. I didn't know that was like the, basically, it was to not even watch the game.
It was to watch how they're acting on the sidelines.

Speaker 7 We can watch the game the next day on the coaches' cutups. But we wanted to see what was going on.
What kind of communication? Was it once a quarter? Was it, you know, it was every series.

Speaker 7 They went three and out. There's three runs.
They would come over and talk about something. Because they're always, all right, we ran the ball three times.
Here's the run action we gave him.

Speaker 7 We're going to hit him with the play action post or the play action, corner, whatever it was. They were getting ready.
It looked like they were getting ready for that next series.

Speaker 7 And that's something that Chad and I implemented into our games.

Speaker 3 I have one more Chad O Tricinco question that will conclude the Chad O Tricenco portion of the video.

Speaker 7 I can talk about Chad all day.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, he's a fascinating guy. I remember he was getting really into the celebrations for a couple of years.
They were getting more and more intricate as time went on.

Speaker 3 And meant if Roger Goodell was the commissioner when he first started getting into them, because I don't think that he was, or it was before he really laid down the law, Chad would have been fined every single game for everything that he did.

Speaker 3 But there was one in particular. I don't know if you have any insight into this one, if he talked about his celebrations and planned them out with you guys.

Speaker 3 But at one point, he said that he had a live deer that he had trapped in his garage that he was going to bring out. Because

Speaker 3 it was around Christmas time. And so he was going to use the live deer as a prop, like a Santa reindeer in his celebration.
We scored a touchdown.

Speaker 3 Then he scores a touchdown and he starts looking around for the deer. And it's not there.
It's not at the game. Did he actually have a live deer that he had corralled somehow?

Speaker 7 Yeah, for the sake of that story, continuing to live on. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 It was a real live reindeer. It was underneath section B in the stadium.
And the guy that was hired to let the deer out of the gate or the cage, he failed. But that's a great story.

Speaker 7 All of his celebrations were great, and

Speaker 7 I never heard about him. I always saw him doing something.
Like he put on a Hall of Fame jacket one time.

Speaker 7 He had a Velcro Ocho Cinco put onto his jersey one time. I thought one of his best celebrations, because I was always trying to get Chad to play golf.
And he never would play golf.

Speaker 7 And I just, I thought, you're crazy. You should be, you know, something great to do.
It takes your mind off of whatever else you're doing. It's great.

Speaker 7 It's a great thing to be doing when you're not at the facility. And then he busted out.
We were in Chicago against your Bears. And I think he had like maybe three touchdowns that game.

Speaker 7 And one of the touchdowns, he did a Tiger Woods. He putted with the pylon.

Speaker 7 And I was like, Chad, finally, you brought, and I love golf.

Speaker 1 So he finally brought some golf into the celebrations.

Speaker 7 I thought that one was one of his best.

Speaker 1 What do you shoot these days?

Speaker 1 I'm like a

Speaker 7 high 70s.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's the way you

Speaker 1 presented that was rude. Because I thought you were going to say like 90s, low 90s.
You're like, I'm like a high 70s fucking phenomenal.

Speaker 7 Thank you. You wouldn't expect I'd be a decent.

Speaker 1 No, I think you would be, but the way you were like leading into it, I was like, he's going to say high 80s, low 90s. No, no, no.
That's, I mean, you're basically a scratch golfer.

Speaker 7 Well, I should be a scratch golfer, and I'm not.

Speaker 7 I should be right around 72, 73, but it's like one or two holes every round that I just, I just flare one off the right, and I'm dropping, and I'm trying to save double bogey.

Speaker 1 It must be so much fun.

Speaker 1 It's like the 70s, though.

Speaker 1 Golf is like the best game ever if you're good at it.

Speaker 7 It is a great game. If you can consistently put a good square club face on the golf ball,

Speaker 7 there's a few feelings that are like that, and they're hard to come by.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so let's talk about this year's draft.

Speaker 1 So you, I got to give you credit. Last time we had you on was five years ago.
You said Josh Allen highest upside. So you called that.
Okay. You nailed that.

Speaker 1 Do you have a favorite in this year's draft? Also, is your brother working with everyone? Is he working with every quarterback?

Speaker 7 Every single one. I think there's like 19 quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 I feel like he's training them all. He's every quarterback.

Speaker 7 Even the guys that don't get drafted.

Speaker 7 No,

Speaker 7 I think it's an interesting year. I think Bryce is going to go number one, probably to Carolina.
He's got some concerns. He's not a big human being.

Speaker 7 And I know there's been some success of guys that are 5-10 to 6-1 and sub-210. He's definitely in that range, and that is a concern.

Speaker 7 If he had Will Levis's body, it'd be like done deal. Like signaling

Speaker 1 tonight. He's once-in-a-generation guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 There's enough question marks around Will. There's enough question marks around Richardson.

Speaker 7 Hinden in Tennessee. There's enough question marks around him.
There just isn't that guy that you go, he's it.

Speaker 7 And when you see this kind of clustering of quarterbacks, that you know, Bryce has got the best film.

Speaker 7 Will's got the best, you know, Richardson and Will have the best physique and body style, but the film isn't where it is.

Speaker 1 Stroud played the best game against Georgia.

Speaker 7 He was great against Georgia and all of a sudden was super athletic and moving around like you hadn't seen him all career.

Speaker 7 I just feel like this is that perfect storm to set up for a bunch of guys that are going to get overdrafted.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 There's going to be probably two or three guys go in the top seven picks, maybe 10 picks, and we're going to look back and go, man, he was a project. They knew it going into it.

Speaker 7 They knew he needed more time on tat. Like he should have been 26th or 38th.
But there's going to be some guys in the top 10 that are going to be overdrafted. And I think at the end of the day,

Speaker 7 if you're Carolina, you want a guy that's going to play week one. And the guy that's most ready to play in week one is Bryce.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 But he's also got the lowest ceiling because he's been coached by the best of the best at Alabama.

Speaker 7 He's got tons of repetitions played against the best, played against probably all first and second round

Speaker 7 pick team on defense

Speaker 7 Alabama, all those

Speaker 7 offseason workouts and during the season playing against him every day in practice. He just,

Speaker 7 there's not a ton of upside like there was with Josh five years ago.

Speaker 7 You're getting a finished product. He doesn't need to be coached a ton.
He doesn't need to be taught a ton.

Speaker 7 He needs to learn that system, but you're seeing the peak of his game, you know, playing in the SEC, where these other quarterbacks, you haven't seen Richardson reach his peak yet.

Speaker 7 Probably Will Levis is the same. But as far as being the most ready to step in week one, it's Bryce.

Speaker 1 So along those lines, and I know I think a lot of, you know, from our perspective, we're fans, we hear the same cliches, like the windows are smaller, the game goes faster.

Speaker 1 What is the one thing, the transition from college to NFL that these quarterbacks are going to have to face that doesn't get talked about a lot?

Speaker 7 Well, the duration of the season.

Speaker 1 I mean, 17 games is,

Speaker 7 that's two college football seasons, if not more. Because each one of those hits in your 12 college football games, that guy's coming at you probably

Speaker 7 a little bit faster. He probably weighs 10 to 15 pounds more.

Speaker 7 So the impact your body takes, it's taking now those same impacts and double up those impacts because you're not just playing 10, 11, 12 games. You're playing 17 plus the two in the preseason.

Speaker 7 Hopefully then a couple more in the playoffs.

Speaker 7 So just that year, I mean, especially these guys, these guys went, you know, Bryce played in the college football playoffs, then started training for the draft.

Speaker 7 Well, no, then he started training for the combine, went through the combine, was traveling all over the country, doing all these visits, going to all these different events, lifting, running, boom, here comes the draft.

Speaker 7 He goes right from the draft to his city press. Like, it's just a never-ending season.
And then... Training camp hits in late July.
And then really the season starts.

Speaker 7 They haven't had a mental, emotional break. They've had a little bit of a physical break.

Speaker 7 But now, you know, they're going into a whole new level of uh as safe as they've made the game for the quarterback, it is a physical,

Speaker 1 you know, endurance

Speaker 7 test. Getting from, you know, the beginning of training camp in July all the way till the end of December and into January.
You're playing a lot more football.

Speaker 7 You're getting hit a lot more by a lot bigger, faster, stronger guys.

Speaker 1 That's a great answer.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we were talking to Daniel Jeremiah from NFL Network earlier, and he was talking about how quarterbacks are more protected at the NFL level than they are in college.

Speaker 3 Now, obviously, like you said, you play more games, so there's going to be more wear and tear. Did you notice a difference coming from college to the NFL?

Speaker 3 And this was obviously before the NFL really started protecting quarterbacks when you were playing.

Speaker 3 Was there any noticeable difference where you weren't getting hit late as much? You weren't getting roughed. There was an element in college where boys will be boys.

Speaker 3 Let them finish the play, that sort of thing.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, I think now, in today's game, there's a drastic difference between the protection that the quarterback gets in college compared to the NFL.

Speaker 7 I mean, every time the quarterback gets touched in the NFL, the camera doesn't even care where the ball went and if he's in the end zone or not. They're seeing what happened to the quarterback.

Speaker 7 That's a drastic difference.

Speaker 7 But, man, when I first got in the league, it was not that way. I had, do you guys remember Sean Big Baby Rogers?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 7 Remember how big that dude was? Yes. He played for Cleveland, and we were playing against them at the end of the year.
And I ended up on the ground, and he kind of got pushed,

Speaker 7 but purposely fell onto me and sat on me. He fell.
His butt landed on my chest. And it was the last game of the season.
And he dislocated my sternum from my rib cage. That doesn't sound nice.

Speaker 7 So I was on my back, and Big Baby lands on me, and I felt like my, my... the top of my chest touch my spine.

Speaker 1 And so, oh my God.

Speaker 7 And I watched it afterwards, and it happened like eight seconds after the play. I was still on the ground.

Speaker 7 There was still somebody, and he just comes falling and lumbering and just puts all 300 and whatever right on my chest.

Speaker 7 And now, if that happened, he's fined, arrested, 15-yard penalty, and probably put in jail. But back in the day, it just happened all the time.
Like, you'd be on the ground, and I learned from that.

Speaker 7 It was one of the first, my first couple of years. I learned from that.
that I don't care if the whistle's blown, you're always protecting.

Speaker 7 You know, you put your hand down and somebody steps, 300-pounder steps on your hand and breaks your fingers. That can happen easy.
And you used to always do that after the play.

Speaker 7 Now, people are scared to death. You see, during the play, they haven't even blown the whistle yet.
There's guys hitting the quarterback with their hands up. Yeah, it wasn't like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it wasn't like that.

Speaker 3 We saw with Tua, he's training with a jiu-jitsu guy in the offseason to learn how to fall correctly, how to fall without getting himself injured.

Speaker 3 Did you have to figure out how to get tackled to minimize the impact?

Speaker 7 I think if you're trying to figure out how to fall correctly at 24 in year three in the NFL, that's a problem.

Speaker 7 You learn how to absorb hits in junior high and high school.

Speaker 7 If you're trying to figure it out and trying to perfect that part of the game in year two, three, four in the NFL, you're probably going to be getting hurt a lot. That's something

Speaker 7 you learn that. You just need repetitions.
The quarterback position is just time on task. How many repetitions can I get in games, in practices? And in those games, you learn how to absorb.

Speaker 7 If I'm falling down to the right, I'll always use my left hand to absorb some of the blows so it all doesn't go on my AC joint of my throwing shoulder.

Speaker 7 That's not something you want to try to be learned during your NFL days. You want to learn that in high school.

Speaker 3 That's a good point because if you're a quarterback that's learning and trying to apply this new skill, you don't want your quarterback consciously thinking to himself during plays, how am I going to fall right now?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 3 That's not something. That's something that you need to have subconsciously already built into your system.

Speaker 7 That's a skill you already want built up and perfected by the time you're leaving college. Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Same as being in the NFL. Is there any moments where the pain is bad and you're like, I kind of wish I didn't do that?

Speaker 7 Never.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 Good answer. Not a once.
Yeah. No, I mean, that's a big topic.

Speaker 7 But when you're scraping by and

Speaker 7 don't have a job and don't have a career, and all of a sudden there's this opportunity to have a career and play in the National Football League, you know what's coming. Yeah.

Speaker 7 You know there may be some dingers that happen and some, you know, some moments where you see stars. There may be some knee surgeries you have to go through.

Speaker 7 There may be some times when you're 60, 70, 80 that old football, that old football injury creep up. I mean,

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Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 I got a question for you about some of the defenses that you've played against. Who is the most fearsome defender that you ever had to game plan for?

Speaker 7 It's not one guy, it's two guys. It's Troy Palomalu and Ed Reed.

Speaker 7 And they both played the same position, but you had to prepare for them totally differently. Because one,

Speaker 7 Troy was an in-box defender, meaning he was down by the line of scrimmage. He could blitz.
He could cover a running back one-on-one. He could cover a tight end one-on-one.

Speaker 7 He very rarely was in open space reading your eyes or reading the play unfold like Ed Ed was. Ed sat in center field.
Anytime you could get Ed one-on-one, which rarely happened,

Speaker 7 that was a good situation to be on offense. He was not a cover corner guy.

Speaker 7 He sat in the middle of the field better than anybody I ever played against or anybody I saw and just let the play unfold and took chances and would be line to the curl or beeline to the flat and make play on the ball.

Speaker 7 Where Troy was down there, you didn't know if Troy was blitzing.

Speaker 7 You didn't know if he was going to cover. You didn't know if he was going to do that thing where he would take a couple steps back like he was dropping into coverage.
Yep.

Speaker 7 And he could get to 4-2 speed in three steps. So he could be five yards away from the line of scrimmage and within two seconds he's in your lap.
And he just had that ability.

Speaker 7 But you know, for two players that played the same position, they played them so differently. And I mean, Troy from the run game, we had weeks where we were playing the Steelers.

Speaker 7 If Troy was on the right and the play was called to the right, I had at the line of scrimmage to change it to the left, which that doesn't, you don't rarely have a guy that takes over the run game and then you're letting the defense know by the third quarter, hey, they're just running it away from Troy.

Speaker 7 We know they're going to do that and they're going to keep doing it because that's the best situation for them to be in.

Speaker 7 Where Ed, you never thought about in the run game, but man, every play in the past game, I knew where he was and I would get the ball, whether I was under center or in shotgun.

Speaker 7 And in my head, every play, I was like, okay, I got to set Ed Reed up. I got to set Ed up.
I got to look right, quick, come back to my left real quick, and then come back to the right.

Speaker 7 And then the next time I do that, if we are running a similar play, I got to do the exact opposite because he's going to be breaking all of it down. I mean, he was unbelievable.
He was brilliant.

Speaker 7 Another guy that could close fast. I mean, he could be in a full back feddle, and in two seconds, he was running full speed forwards.
I mean, just incredibly explosive.

Speaker 3 Those are two great answers.

Speaker 3 I was hoping that you would also say Sean Taylor in there because there's one play in particular I remember that Sean picked you off and he came out of nowhere and the camera zoomed in on your face right afterwards.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you go like, that motherfucker.

Speaker 3 It was a perfect moment because he came out of nowhere. But yeah, I don't think that you'll find anybody arguing against Ed Reed and Troy.
Troy, was he your roommate in college?

Speaker 1 Troy was roommate.

Speaker 3 That's fucked up that you had to play against him in the NFL and you're like, come on, man.

Speaker 1 Like, I played against him. You still under 50 bucks in Madden.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah, I know.
I had to play against him every day in practice, and he was a problem in practice. And then, of course, he gets drafted to the same division, same conference.

Speaker 1 Would he ever say anything to you after a big hit?

Speaker 7 Not a word.

Speaker 1 Not like, hey, not a word.

Speaker 7 No, he, in fact, my first game starting, we were in Pittsburgh. It was a two-minute drill at the end of a game.
And

Speaker 7 he would come in. They would take him out of play on deep halves safety in two minutes just because it's like, why put Troy back there? Let's get him somewhere closer to the football.

Speaker 7 And they'd put him at a linebacker position where he could drop on receivers that are running shallow crosses like they do in two-minute situations.

Speaker 7 or a lot of guys are checking the ball down to running backs, and he would blow them up and not let the running backs get out of bounds. So the clock would keep going.

Speaker 7 And so, anyways, it's my first game. We're at Pittsburgh.

Speaker 7 We're starting a drive, and I throw a ball, gets tipped to the line of scrimmage. Sure enough, Troy picks me off for the first time in

Speaker 7 our NFL careers. And I start backpedaling.
And I'm looking for him. And I can't find him because he's not a 6'5 safety.
He's like a 5'8 safety. And I don't see him.

Speaker 7 And all of a sudden, like, I'm backing up, I'm damn near on the goal line, my own goal line. And I see through, like, all of a sudden, these jerseys spread out.

Speaker 7 And here comes Troy, and he's coming right at me. And he lowers his head and puts it right on my AC joint on the goal line and ran me over for a touchdown.
And my shoulder has never been the same.

Speaker 7 And that was my first year playing in the National Football League.

Speaker 1 You still feel like you're not.

Speaker 7 No, he never said anything.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 7 He was the night. He was too nice.
And then it made you mad because you're like, damn it, Troy. And he comes up.
He's, hey, how's the family?

Speaker 1 Troy, dude, I can't even, I can't move my arm. I'm watching the highlight right now.
And,

Speaker 1 yeah, I'm waiting for you to get hit. This sucks to know that he was.

Speaker 7 It's coming.

Speaker 7 Yeah. It's coming.

Speaker 1 This is so funny. He was so goddamn good.
He was so good. And the hair and everything.
Yeah. Because he run me over.
He bullied you over. Well, you kind of went for him.
Yeah. You had to.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I had to. On the goal line.
I know. You could have made a business decision.

Speaker 7 I could have. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I was too young.

Speaker 1 He was basically in there. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is USC back?

Speaker 1 Yeah, USC's back. Do you guys have like a quarterbacks text chain? Like all the quarterbacks over the years and like add Caleb Williams being like, hey, buddy.

Speaker 7 No, it's we've got a text chain, but it's not all quarterbacks. It's all positions.
Okay. But proud Trojans.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Proud Trojans. I mean, Caleb is incredible.
So much fun to watch. He'd be the first pick in this year's draft if he could come out.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Like talking like there's not a clear cut. If he was in this draft, it would be Caleb Williams and then everybody else.
He's that good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's phenomenal.

Speaker 3 So, who would you say is the best? The best USC quarterback of, let's say, like, going back to you?

Speaker 7 The best to come out since me? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You can include yourself, too. Oh, well, I'd take me.

Speaker 3 Okay. Yeah.
Good answer.

Speaker 1 Good answer. How long?

Speaker 7 There's been some good. There's been some draft picks, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. There weren't for a long time.

Speaker 7 But I mean,

Speaker 7 Sanchez, Leinert,

Speaker 1 Matt Castle. He wasn't a draft pick, but he was a quarterback.
Did John David Booty get drafted?

Speaker 7 He might have. Booty was a good player.

Speaker 1 There were some good, great, great names.

Speaker 1 Good player.

Speaker 7 There's been some good quarterbacks at SC.

Speaker 7 And I think now that Caleb, you know, that success, the fact that Lincoln's there, the fact that Lincoln, everywhere he goes, he coaches a guy that wins a Heisman, I think SC is going to continuously get the top one, two, and three quarterbacks out of each high school class.

Speaker 3 How often was it just being like a Heisman winning quarterback on campus at USC?

Speaker 1 It was good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I bet it was.

Speaker 7 It was good. Those were the days.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's like the

Speaker 3 besides the fact that there was no name, image, and likeness back then.

Speaker 1 So you probably. You would have cleaned up.

Speaker 3 No, USC definitely never paid any of their players under the camera.

Speaker 1 I never got paid. Oh, really?

Speaker 7 Troy and I lived in a four-bedroom house in the hood.

Speaker 7 on

Speaker 7 the wrong side of Adams Boulevard.

Speaker 1 We had rats, spiders.

Speaker 7 There was a four-bedroom house. There were eight dudes in there.
And we were paying a majority of our stipend because rent's expensive in California and L.A.

Speaker 7 But now, man, Caleb is living

Speaker 1 alive.

Speaker 7 Must be nice. I mean, it's got to be good.

Speaker 7 He's probably living over there by Staples Center in one of those high-rises.

Speaker 1 I feel like

Speaker 3 being a USC quarterback

Speaker 3 who is obviously big man on campus, that's probably the coolest situation you can be in in college football.

Speaker 7 It's pretty good. I mean,

Speaker 7 I obviously can't compare it to being in, you know, Baton Rouge where it's like LSU and only LSU or Tuscaloosa where it's just, that's all you got. There's a ton of Oregon grads.

Speaker 7 There's a ton of UCLA grads. But USC having that tradition, playing at the Coliseum, all the national championships, all the Hall of Famers that have come out of that program.
It's pretty good in L.A.

Speaker 7 And now you've got, if you're a quarterback, you're playing for Lincoln. I mean,

Speaker 7 he's going to get you 25 touchdowns. You probably have to throw another 20 on your own, but he's going to get you 20 of them.
Screens, dumping the ball off.

Speaker 3 I could throw 20 touchdowns. You could throw 20 in Lincoln.

Speaker 7 But, man, now, I mean, you've got history. You've got tradition.
You're going, and now I can't wait. I mean, going to the big house? Going to the show.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're Big Ten now. Ohio State.

Speaker 1 Coming to L.A. I mean, you guys play pussy football.
You have to find out.

Speaker 1 Just run over. We'll find out.
You're going to have to go to Piscataway in New Jersey in like late November.

Speaker 3 Sean was licking his chop.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not going to fall.

Speaker 7 That's a lose-lose game, right? You should win. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 But you could lose. Oh, listen.

Speaker 7 It's just a lose-lose.

Speaker 1 There's a few of those in the Big Ten schedule where it's like, if you lose to Rutgers, it's like very embarrassing, but every now and then they kind of pop up. Ruckers, they're salty.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 They're good on defense.

Speaker 7 They run the ball. They're physical.
Like, there are some games in the Big Ten you don't want on your schedule, but they're going to be on your schedule. But I mean, I can't.
SC

Speaker 7 Ohio State, SC Michigan, SC Penn State.

Speaker 1 You can throw in Wisconsin. Wisconsin? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Big house. You're going to run the ball down your fucking throat.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but you can't throw it.

Speaker 1 Actually, we have Drake May's old offensive coordinator now, Phil Longo.

Speaker 7 That's because you sound like a media guy right there.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so we have a coach

Speaker 1 that's going to run some pretty crazy offense.

Speaker 7 That just runs the football every play.

Speaker 1 Well, and then every now and then, when you're not thinking, pass.

Speaker 1 All right, so you're going to run the ball.

Speaker 7 So Wisconsin, you're going to run the ball for 260 yards and score 17 points. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 Caleb Williams is going to throw the ball

Speaker 7 and one pass for 17 yards.

Speaker 7 Caleb Williams is going to throw for 480 and six touchdowns.

Speaker 1 And no, he's going to throw for one touchdown and five interceptions in the red zone. Okay.
That's going to be great.

Speaker 3 There will be a game where Iowa beats USC like seven to three. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's going to be some ugly Big Ten football.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Wet, soggy field.
Yeah. 33 degrees, like just cold enough where the ball's wet.
Everybody's tired. It's just one of those sloppy Big Ten football.

Speaker 1 There's going to be some of those. Do you ever,

Speaker 1 I have a couple of last questions. So your brother Jordan, who's been on this show as well, he is coaching a bunch of these quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 And he's made a really good career for himself. I see him all the time, like in media and everything.
But are you ever like, hey, man,

Speaker 1 I was so much better than you. Like,

Speaker 1 this is crazy.

Speaker 1 Did you check him? I would check him being like, you coach these quarterbacks, but if I wanted to, I could coach them better.

Speaker 7 Well, I don't want to, and I can't, that's, that's a misnomer. Just because you played doesn't mean you can coach it and make it relatable to the next player.

Speaker 1 But you could do it better than your brother. No.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 He's a phenomenal coach. He coaches.

Speaker 7 I have a 14-year-old up-and-coming quarterback.

Speaker 1 Oh, right. Am I coaching him? No.

Speaker 7 Just because you can play doesn't mean you can.

Speaker 7 Like, everybody assumes, well, Tiger Woods would be the best golf coach in the world.

Speaker 1 He's probably a terrible golf coach because he probably looks very good. Charlie Woods is pretty good.

Speaker 3 Charlie Woods is awesome. He's pretty good.

Speaker 1 Charlie Woods is now next. He's got a gift.
No, he's next to the girl.

Speaker 3 No, Charlie's put in a lot of work. He's next to us.

Speaker 7 He's put in a lot of work, but you could put any coach that is halfway decent with Charlie, and he'd probably be pretty good.

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, no, I agree with that. We found out that Charlie Woods listens to the show, so we just, anytime his name is

Speaker 7 Charlie, dude, we're

Speaker 1 like, we'll be your uncles if you want. I can't wait.

Speaker 7 It looks like we can't really root for Tiger. I mean,

Speaker 7 he's my favorite golfer ever, but I love the fact that there's another Woods coming up when I get to watch watch this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my favorite golfer ever is Charlie Woods.

Speaker 3 For sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he hasn't done anything.

Speaker 7 You're on the bandwagon early. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, we are.

Speaker 1 Some may say a little too early. No, it's never too early.
Like 14 years old.

Speaker 1 We're just gassing him up. He's never too early.
That's what Bros is. He's gassing our boys up.
I love it. I love it.
All right, so I have one last question.

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Speaker 1 Okay, so before we started, we were just catching up and you told us that you live in Idaho now. And I was like, that's the dream.
I mean, you really are living the dream.

Speaker 1 You live like, I would assume you obviously live in a town of people, but is it just the best to be away from all the noise in the world and just all the shit that's going on right now?

Speaker 7 It's a safe haven. Yeah.
I mean, with all the stuff that's happening in big cities and politically,

Speaker 7 everything that's happening elsewhere, you don't feel it in a smaller town, in a smaller, and I'm up in the mountains in the middle of nowhere. And people mind their own business.

Speaker 7 People, like, I had a lady come up to me, like, oh, you're, you played football, and this is like in April. And she's like, when's your next game?

Speaker 1 It's April.

Speaker 7 And I retired four years ago.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, that's so fun.

Speaker 7 Football. You know, people don't

Speaker 7 live and breathe and diet. You know, it's, you know, when I first moved there, I didn't have direct TV installed yet.
And I was asking somebody, I'm like,

Speaker 7 you know, Saturday, I want to go watch college football. Like, what bars have TVs? Like, there's no sports bars here.

Speaker 7 People are fishing, they're hunting, they're skiing, they're out camping.

Speaker 7 People don't go to the bar and watch games, which is really cool.

Speaker 7 That is if you're if you're a former pro athlete and you're looking to like raise your kids around some normalcy and not sign autographs and take pictures at dinner.

Speaker 7 It's been really great for our family. And

Speaker 7 I don't like people in general, so I like being out in the middle of nowhere and having my own space.

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 1 I think we all like aspire to be like, yeah, but

Speaker 3 also at the end of the day, if I found out they didn't have college football or NFL,

Speaker 1 you can come up and watch the game.

Speaker 7 You can watch every game. I've got a great place to watch games.

Speaker 1 That is like my

Speaker 1 anxiety when my wife's like, oh, we should go to Japan. I'm like, but they don't have sports.

Speaker 1 How am I going to watch the sports for that week of vacation? So, yeah. As long as you have, you promise you have football.

Speaker 7 I've got college, pro.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've got it all. XFL?

Speaker 7 You could probably find that.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 3 My last, last question. Can you just tell us a cool Bruce Arion story?

Speaker 3 Because he's the man, and I'm sure that he put the full court press on you to recruit you or sat down, had a couple cocktails with you. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 Just like any experience you've had with Bruce that stands out.

Speaker 7 You know what? My biggest regret with Bruce is

Speaker 7 in all of the times I spent, the hours and hours I spent in the film room watching film when it was him in the back of the room with the clicker and then all of the offensive skill position players.

Speaker 7 And I was sitting there with my notebook. I wish I would have kept a separate notebook to just write down the names he called people.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, he'd be mother effing a dude and call him some

Speaker 7 string of foul language that you'd never heard of before in that

Speaker 7 chronologic, like the way he would say it. And some guy guy is getting threatened to be cut and i just couldn't hold i would just start laughing

Speaker 7 and and then a couple other people would feel comfortable to laugh because he would like call you a chicken fucker or just something and he wasn't trying to be funny he was so mad that you lined up in the incorrect spot and he was going to take advantage of letting you know in front of your peers and he just couldn't he would he would string together a new name to call somebody and i wish i would have yeah because i would have this database of all these awesome names that I just thought, oh, I'll never forget that one, so I wouldn't write it down.

Speaker 7 But I wish I would have sat down there and wrote down all those names.

Speaker 3 And his players seem to love him for the most part. I'm sure there are some players that don't like him that end up on the cutting side of things.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 how does he develop that relationship where he's like calling you motherfucker and screaming at you and like pointing out your mistakes for the team? But then you're like, that's Bruce.

Speaker 3 I love that guy.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's not for everybody for sure.

Speaker 7 You either can take it or you can't. I mean, at the end of the day, it's, you know, your ego's too big where it just frustrates you and you storm out of the room or have

Speaker 7 a conversation with him that probably gets you cut.

Speaker 7 But at the end of the day, even if you're being called, you know, something, you know, a name that makes you feel lower than low, even if he's embarrassing you in front of the media or in front of your teammates, at the end of the day, if the guy's right and you're incorrect, it kind of just is okay.

Speaker 7 Because he wouldn't do it unless you screwed up. He wouldn't do it just because he felt like taking a shot at somebody.

Speaker 7 He would do it when you lined up two yards outside the numbers and you were supposed to be three yards inside the numbers or you went in short motion at half speed and you were supposed to go in short motion at full speed.

Speaker 7 So when you're getting MF'd up and down and berated and you're wrong,

Speaker 7 it's it kind of in the NFL locker room, it's okay. Yeah.

Speaker 7 If he's wrong and he doesn't admit and say, hey, my bad, I yelled at you on the field, but now I'm watching this in the film and you ran a curl and I thought you ran a corner.

Speaker 7 But he didn't, he was never wrong.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 7 he got on you. He was hard on you.
But it's because you deserved it. So it was okay.
And it didn't linger in guys. It didn't fester in guys and become a bigger issue later.

Speaker 3 I would just love to see him call Tom Brady a dumb motherfucker in the film room and just see how that relationship is.

Speaker 7 100%. No, he's done it tons of times.
And dumb motherfucker is the best of the go.

Speaker 1 The best of ideas he could call you. Yeah, he's complimenting you.
Yeah. All right.
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Speaker 7 Thanks for having me, fellas.

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Speaker 1 okay fire fest of the week hank

Speaker 1 uh a couple fire fests will this change if the celtics lost yes okay but they didn't they didn't okay easy win

Speaker 3 Easy win

Speaker 1 oh buddy he's really putting himself out oh buddy Hank I like the confidence.

Speaker 5 Speaking of failures, though,

Speaker 5 we talked about it on the show, but our pickup basketball league came to an end last night.

Speaker 1 No! We failed. It wasn't a failure.

Speaker 1 It was a failure. It wasn't a failure.

Speaker 5 I did have my highest scoring performance. I played my best game, so that felt good.
Finally, cracked double digits. Three threes.

Speaker 1 11 points? No, I think I had 15. Oh, shit.

Speaker 5 I was doing it all.

Speaker 5 But we lost by four. We had a we were playing a team with a

Speaker 5 Spanish-speaking mom who was doing the scoreboard, just screaming at the team the whole time, like a helicopter mom, just going nuts. I love it.

Speaker 6 She's also doing the scoreboard, and usually, oh, was she cheating?

Speaker 1 I don't know. She was adding points.
It was a little weird.

Speaker 5 Yeah, if there was a game film to review, I think there was a couple points here that I might have missed, but that's all right.

Speaker 3 All of a sudden, the game got stopped and then mysteriously restarted, and they had 12 more points. Yeah.
It was election night all over again.

Speaker 5 So that was a failure. And then my Apple Watch is broken.
So it's just yesterday it said I had 5,000 steps or 5,000, I burned 5,000 calories. I was like, damn, I went hard.

Speaker 5 Like I'm really, really killing it. And then I woke up today and it said I already burned 3,000 calories.
So I think it's just running. I don't know what's going on, but it's broken.

Speaker 5 So it just gave me a false sense of confidence and like feeling good.

Speaker 5 I was like, oh, I crushed it today.

Speaker 6 Were you wearing it during the game?

Speaker 1 No. Oh.

Speaker 5 And it just has been burning calories for me in my sleep and just the entire day.

Speaker 3 Hank, which hand do you wear your watch watch on? My right hand. On your right hand.
Interesting.

Speaker 3 Is there anything that you could do with your right hand that might inflate the number of steps that you were maybe taking?

Speaker 5 There is. Yeah.
But I don't wear it when I sleep.

Speaker 1 You take your Apple Watch off to jerk off.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 Well, then, mystery solved.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe. Maybe that's it.

Speaker 1 You're really active too.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I thought, yeah, I just was, you know, I was like, damn, I crushed yesterday. Then I woke up today.
I was like, 3,000 calories burned already. I was like, oh, it's broken.

Speaker 3 I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 All right. PFT.

Speaker 3 My Fire Fest is that I've been using, so I moved my mom into her new place over the course of the last week.

Speaker 3 And so I've been zooming in this week and we've been recording part of my take, parts of it remotely, which I'm sure you guys have noticed if you've been watching the YouTube. And

Speaker 3 the Wi-Fi upload speed has been pretty slow.

Speaker 3 I've been having to keep my computer on for about five minutes after we're done recording to make sure that it all gets uploaded in time because she doesn't have Wi-Fi yet.

Speaker 3 We're trying to get that set up. So I've been using free Wi-Fi for the past several days and I've been using this Wi-Fi from one of her new neighbors in her senior living facility.
Pirating.

Speaker 3 I've been pirating Wi-Fi from an elderly person. I've been stealing Wi-Fi from an old person, basically, for the last week.
And

Speaker 3 it's been slow, but it's been getting the job done. And I mentioned that to the guys after we were done recording last time.

Speaker 3 And then I started to feel very guilty about it because I realized that I was

Speaker 1 clearly stealing cameras. We also were like, all of us were like, damn, you should have said that on the show.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 So I'm saying it on the show now.

Speaker 3 So I don't have my own Wi-Fi yet, but I'm working on getting Wi-Fi set up at our place so that when I am down there, I can record the show and everything will be smooth.

Speaker 3 But in the meantime, I'm sorry to whoever lives on the sixth floor in an adjoining room. You're probably not using your Wi-Fi though.

Speaker 1 You're a Wi-Fi pirate. I am a pirate.
I'm a pirate.

Speaker 3 You're a pirate. I've always wanted to be a pirate.
You're a pirate. That's pretty cool.
You're a bona fide pirate. Sailing the high seas of the scene be living facility.

Speaker 1 All right. My Fire Fest is

Speaker 1 so Mincy, everyone knows him from Wake Up Mincy, the hit show,

Speaker 1 who sponsors,

Speaker 1 well, we have sponsorship on Wake Up Mincey.

Speaker 3 He's a paid spokesperson.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Stella Blue Coffee and pardon my cheesesteak. I made a bet with him about a month ago that he can't run a 10K under

Speaker 1 an hour.

Speaker 1 And I said that if he does it, I will donate $10,000 to charity. He did it.
And what I realized is, Jake, write this down. Don't ever do this again.

Speaker 1 When you tell someone, when you make someone a bet for charity that they can't do something and then they do it, you become the ultimate loser because not only do people are like, haha, you were wrong, then they also don't say like, good job on the charity.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you get no credit.

Speaker 1 No credit at all. And also he like kind of.

Speaker 1 He kind of weaseled and got me to up to $12,000, but I donated it and like everyone was like, you're an idiot for doubting him. And I was like, wait, but I just donated money to charity.

Speaker 1 So you don't get anything

Speaker 1 except the kids got something. They got the money.
But Jake, don't tell me never to do that again. I had the theory that you can bet someone.
Donate to charity? No, no. Bet someone.

Speaker 1 And my theory was working for a while. It was like, I can bet him to do this.
He won't do it. And then, like, I look like a hero for saying I would have donated to charity.
Yeah, well. And he did it.

Speaker 1 I had to donate, which I'm happy to do, but I also was getting like dragged for doubting it but also if he if he runs it the second time and he doesn't accomplish it then i still have to do it you still have to do it because otherwise like how many kids out there could you know yeah you would have you would have killed kids right i'd rather just give to charity and not also become a loser doing so i have an idea what next time you should say like say it was 10k you should say originally you're gonna do five you know what i'll double it i'll give 10.

Speaker 1 So you look like a good guy for doubling what you originally said you were going to do. Yes.
Yes. Matching my match.
Yeah, Yeah. That's smart.
Yeah, that is smart.

Speaker 3 Or you can say, here's 5k, and if you do it, I'll do the other 5k.

Speaker 1 But then that gets in the same spot where people are like...

Speaker 3 And then you hope that he doesn't do it. So you're like, here's the $5,000.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
I just, I ended up being a loser. I was a loser.
This is Billy. I was tracked online, and

Speaker 1 I should have been applauded.

Speaker 1 Good for you. Should have donated.
Thank you, Billy. Good for you.
Should have been a parade in the streets.

Speaker 1 Not that I'm looking for one. I donated anonymously.
So no one knows who donated.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I did the same. I actually told in my description when he first ran it, I gave him $5,000 and I wrote my name down as anonymous.
But then they, you know, you have to get the email on there.

Speaker 3 Right. So I put the email in and then Mincy texted me.
He's like, thank you so much. I was like, very cool.
Just make sure that you don't tell anybody that it was me that did it.

Speaker 3 Mincy takes a screenshot. All of a sudden,

Speaker 3 the world knows. And then I'm embarrassed because

Speaker 3 I gave $5,000 and you hadn't given anything yet.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know. Giving to charity rocks.
It feels great when you give to charity. So I got that feeling of feeling great giving to charity, like robbed because everyone's like, You're a loser.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I actually, as a matter of fact, I can't believe I just said out loud that I gave $5,000.

Speaker 3 Can you delete that part where I admitted to accidentally donating $5,000?

Speaker 1 We'll cut that. No problem.

Speaker 1 All right, Billy.

Speaker 6 So I got home the other night. We were recording late.
One night, I forget which day. So then I went in, turned my

Speaker 1 weren't we recording late one night last night?

Speaker 3 Yeah, and you forgot which day?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Anyway.

Speaker 3 What does that mean? Was it Sunday?

Speaker 6 Yeah, it was Sunday.

Speaker 3 I don't know. I don't know your life.
I don't know your story.

Speaker 6 We got home late on Sunday, right? And I go to turn on my AC, and then I go to sleep, and then I wake up, and the air smells like sweet.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And I was like, what the fuck? Like, why is the air smell sweet? And, like, I thought, like, am I using a new like detergent or something? And then.

Speaker 3 Oh, we remember the last time that happened.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 6 Then I'm like,

Speaker 1 look like you got hit by a shovel that was the shovel was covered.

Speaker 6 We're not out of the woods, we're not out of the woods. It wasn't a detergent on that.

Speaker 1 There was literally a guy with a shovel, bees all over the shovel, and he just kept on whacking you in the face as

Speaker 1 once this picture airs. Yeah, I mean, anyway, and they like just injected a bunch of salt, so you're really puffy, too.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so I was smelling the air, it's like smells like laughing gas.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's like, what the fuck? Like, Joker was around your house?

Speaker 6 No, it's like, is someone trying to like incapacitate me and like kidnap me or some shit?

Speaker 1 Yeah, of course, I got paranoid.

Speaker 1 A normal thought.

Speaker 6 I was like, what the fuck? Who's gassing me in my own house? I realized that my AC was leaking freon. Oh, okay.
Yeah. Yeah.
So if you have an old AC unit

Speaker 6 and you start smelling sweet air,

Speaker 6 it could kill you. Okay.
So just like,

Speaker 6 it actually can't kill you. I think it could just make you sick.

Speaker 1 So let me get this straight in.

Speaker 3 So we're going to fact check you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You smelled something weird, and your brain immediately went to someone is trying to gas me.

Speaker 6 Well, it's smell. No, it smells like laughing gas.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're not paranoid, it's just the whole world's out to get you.

Speaker 3 Well, when you fire off the takes that Billy fires off, it's like that movie conspiracy theory with Mel Gibson. Like, one of Billy's theories is bound to be correct.

Speaker 3 So, there's just a list of potential suspects that you've angered.

Speaker 1 Billy's like the CIA finally found my address.

Speaker 3 No, he's probably like Jose Conseco hacked into my air conditioning unit.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Also, Lancaster PA is a great town to go to college in. There's a lot of young people.
Polatinas. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Like, if you're looking, if you're like a young football player, Lancaster PA would be a great place to play college football. If there's any colleges there, maybe check them out for recruiting.

Speaker 6 It's definitely a lot of cool places. What's going on right now?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I got in trouble for another thing.

Speaker 1 What, what, what, what, what?

Speaker 3 Nothing. That was just an open endorsement of Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 1 Don't bring your girlfriend there, though.

Speaker 6 Yeah, don't bring your girlfriend there.

Speaker 1 She's gone.

Speaker 6 Go find the duo, and he'll take you to the place. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 These are my favorite billion moments.

Speaker 1 I joke just with his brain.

Speaker 6 And if there's an offensive lineman coach there, he's really cool.

Speaker 1 Okay, really, really cool.

Speaker 1 What school, hypothetically? What did you do?

Speaker 6 Nothing. It's fine.

Speaker 1 So move on.

Speaker 5 All right, here's what colleges are in Lancaster?

Speaker 1 A bunch of them. Great.

Speaker 6 Such as story D3 football programs.

Speaker 1 And what did you do? Franklin and Marshall. Did you say he was a pedophile? What did you do? Nope, nothing.

Speaker 6 He's a really cool guy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Franklin and Marshall, Elizabethtown. Is that in Lancaster?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Pennsylvania College of Health and Science. Just really crazy.
Billy's.

Speaker 1 What did you do, Billy University? Tell us what you did.

Speaker 6 Let's say you're a college football coach. You want to recruit kids to Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
Yeah. It's a really cool place.

Speaker 3 What did you do? All right, show of hands out there.

Speaker 3 Anybody that's listening, I'm going to cut Billy off from this story because it's another classic Billy story where it's not going to resolve anything and he's just going to talk himself into more trouble.

Speaker 3 But just show of hands, if you understand what Billy's getting at, just reply to us. I get it.
If you don't get it, just reply, I don't understand what Billy's talking about. We'll see.

Speaker 3 There's probably five people out there that get this.

Speaker 5 One of them being the coach, probably.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And that's probably it.

Speaker 6 I got him a little in trouble at his job.

Speaker 1 What did you do? He's my friend. And what did you do?

Speaker 6 I made Land Cancer Pennsylvania sound bad.

Speaker 3 Did you just call it Land Cancer?

Speaker 3 You just made it worse.

Speaker 1 It is a bad word.

Speaker 6 Anyway, it's a really great program.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 And Latinas. Good Fire Fest, Billy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Don't forget the Latinas.

Speaker 1 What are you talking about with Latinas?

Speaker 1 The dude's like, Lancaster PA has got the best Latinas.

Speaker 1 I don't have time. Really? In the middle of Pennsylvania? Sure.

Speaker 1 I feel bad about this one.

Speaker 1 Yesterday I went to the park to play pickup pickleball.

Speaker 3 That's tough to say.

Speaker 1 Scary.

Speaker 5 Did you bring protection?

Speaker 3 Just in case? Is that like the Rucker Park of Pitch?

Speaker 6 Are you the one of the people that take up the basketball courts with pickleball courts? No.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a good no from Jake. You knew the no was just ruining it.
Yeah. All right.

Speaker 1 And I was playing against this lady, and I was up in the net. Oh, no.
And I slammed it. Is this the random lady that you met?

Speaker 1 You're just playing pickup games with old ladies? They're good.

Speaker 1 They can play.

Speaker 1 You just show up,

Speaker 1 you put your paddle in a line. And then the next four people up, they just go in a line.
How old?

Speaker 1 She was probably in like

Speaker 1 30s or 40s.

Speaker 1 Was she hot?

Speaker 1 This is an impossible question to answer. No, but she looked hot.
No, it's pretty easy to answer. Was she hot? It's either the bonk list or

Speaker 1 I'm rude. Nope.
We will never know who this woman is.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 You fucking bash and ugly chicks. No.

Speaker 1 No. Did you make her? In the top of her head, I felt really bad, and I was kind of rattled.

Speaker 3 Did you at least make her nose look better?

Speaker 1 No, she didn't get hurt. Did you win? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Okay. So she was being horny and you could have just said you bonked her.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
So I felt bad, but. That is so funny that you go and just fucking hustle old ladies for pickleball glory.

Speaker 5 No, I'm telling you. Noises and all.
Age.

Speaker 1 Age.

Speaker 3 How much did you guys play for?

Speaker 1 Nothing. Age is not a thing in pickleball.
Like, if you're good, you're good. You can hang.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I'm pretty sure, though, you'd rather be like 25 than 70.

Speaker 1 Fair. But

Speaker 1 in tennis, you can't really make that comparison in terms of playing on the same court. How do you doubt that? How do you like...
I know the rules now about that. Okay, so I'm at the pickleball court.

Speaker 1 I'm a 60-year-old lady. You walk up.
How do you start the proposition of playing? So you put your paddles in a line on the floor and then the next four paddles up are up.

Speaker 1 It's literally pickup. Like, you know, you say there's five, like, there's four four on the ground, next four up.

Speaker 3 Did you play one and one?

Speaker 1 No, it's doubles.

Speaker 1 Singles is frowned upon because you hog up the space. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 I actually have a real bone to pick with these pickleball players because they play pickleball adjacent to basketball courts or they even try to play on the court.

Speaker 6 And then what happens is their little fucking pickleball rolls onto the basketball court while people are playing. Like, ooh, and they don't say anything to anybody.

Speaker 6 And then dudes roll their ankles on the fucking pickleballs.

Speaker 3 This sounds like a real problem.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it is a real fucking problem. Huge problem.
Just because you you don't want to pay a membership at some like racquetball club that you like.

Speaker 1 Pickleball is a new sport, Billy.

Speaker 3 Sport of the future.

Speaker 1 It's just not masculine enough for Billy. Similar to the hot dog.
Yeah, that's true. Billy would never eat that.
No, I have a real grip. Like,

Speaker 1 people love.

Speaker 1 A real gripe. A real gripe.

Speaker 6 I have a real gripe with you. Because the ball rolls on the basketball court and could easily take out someone's ankle.
Like, have you ever seen that?

Speaker 1 How many times has that happened? It sounds like it could easily happen. How many times that? But a basketball can never roll on the pickleball court.

Speaker 1 And someone, a pickleball player, can't roll there.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Billy, you're sportist.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, I mean,

Speaker 8 because everyone's hustling.

Speaker 1 You think it's a pussy sport because

Speaker 6 I don't like how inconsiderate they are of other people's face. They act like they're better than everybody.
What if Billy?

Speaker 1 Oh, Frisbee golf. Billy sucked at and was like, this isn't a real sport.

Speaker 3 Well, because he was too strong for it. And I got ticks that way.

Speaker 1 If you're not good, you're just not a real sport.

Speaker 3 Which, I mean, that's a great spin zone to have.

Speaker 3 That's actually my barometer. If Jake is good at it, it's not a sport.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Golf? Dude, I'm not even that good at golf, but I'm decent.

Speaker 3 Golf is life. It's not a sport.
That's fair.

Speaker 3 That's the difference between me and you.

Speaker 1 Jake is just dominating older women. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, if you play pickleball, you know that

Speaker 1 gender doesn't matter. Next time you dominate an older woman at pickleball.

Speaker 1 Everyone plays together. Okay, but next time you dominate an older woman at pickleball, I need like a selfie recap.
Being like, I'm just take down this woman. Sunday.

Speaker 1 West Village. There's games for advanced players only.
I'm going to go to.

Speaker 3 dip your foot in there.

Speaker 1 Anyone who's good at you just put a fucking star on your back, dude. Yeah, everyone should show up.

Speaker 3 If you're an AWS, put stars on people, big cats.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 Jake, Billy's friend.

Speaker 1 He's not my friend. He's not my friend.

Speaker 6 I know it's some people take that seriously. What?

Speaker 1 You just never met him? No, no. No.
No, no.

Speaker 3 Not a good guy.

Speaker 6 Terrible guy. Okay.

Speaker 1 Jake, any good ideas?

Speaker 3 I would beat the shit out of Hitler if you were.

Speaker 1 Okay, nice. Oh, we already were talking about him.
Yeah, wow. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's weird.

Speaker 3 Jake, Jake, so let me ask you this. You said that age nor gender matters when you're playing pickball.
Do you think that Leah Thomas should be allowed to compete against other people?

Speaker 1 Good question. Good question.
Good question. Let me put you on the spot.
Good question. No, we're not going to go down this angle.
Good question. We're not?

Speaker 3 That's the pronoun that you're going to use there?

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 They are not.

Speaker 1 Well, like, us as a society. They as a society.

Speaker 1 If we go down this road, this podcast episode would be a failure. All right.

Speaker 1 what to just talk about it

Speaker 1 i think you don't want to acknowledge it at all it's not even real what did you say about lancaster pa

Speaker 1 like what what did you say

Speaker 6 i have a friend who's in football and he has to recruit kids to lancaster pa

Speaker 6 and a kid he recruited said i'm not coming because of billy football billy football lancaster pa is an awesome college town but you said that it wasn't I made it sound like it wasn't. Okay.

Speaker 6 And it's, you know, it's hard being a young college football coach. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sounds like you're making it harder. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 6 So go to Lancaster PA.

Speaker 1 That is our show. We got the boys on Monday.
Will Compton and Taylor Luan.

Speaker 1 And Tuck all the playoff action.

Speaker 1 Hank, have you ever gotten this? Nope.

Speaker 1 You're really salty about what happened. No, I'm happy for you.

Speaker 1 We were saying before, like, the fact that I've gotten it twice in three years and you claim that I have the best best seat was very funny.

Speaker 3 Why do you got to switch seats?

Speaker 5 I had like four texts written back to Max Homa yesterday. I just, I didn't, I deleted them out of respect.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he did, he did congratulate Big Cat on the group thread.

Speaker 1 I was very, you know, it's nice for people to support each other.

Speaker 3 Also, I'd like to say, hey, AWLs, great job so far on the Max Homa stuff. Yes.
Spicy Meatball, Mama Mia, Let's Go Max. These are all great things that we're saying.

Speaker 1 And AWLs, I thought you were going to say AWLs. I've been seeing in the comments, like, a shitload of people are getting the lottery ball.

Speaker 3 That's true. It's way more common.

Speaker 5 Don't, if you get the lottery ball, don't feel like you got it. It does not count.

Speaker 1 No, it counts. No, I

Speaker 1 show of hands.

Speaker 3 I'd say it counts.

Speaker 1 Counts.

Speaker 3 Max says it counts. Jake says it counts.

Speaker 6 I wasn't listening. What was the question? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Okay, that's perfect.

Speaker 3 Rum Spring Amish girls. Numbers.

Speaker 6 They all go to Lancaster when they want a party. 18.

Speaker 1 You're a bad guy.

Speaker 1 What? I got 17.

Speaker 3 I'm going to go 99.

Speaker 1 You want 17?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Nah.

Speaker 1 Keep in mind, when someone gets it, usually goes and runs. Billy and I got it back-to-back before.

Speaker 1 We also got it separated within a week

Speaker 1 in the fall. So, like, when someone gets it, we can get hot.

Speaker 3 I feel good about six for Hank. What do you have 99? That sounded good.
Yeah, I took 99.

Speaker 1 I know, I'm going to kill myself if

Speaker 1 six hits here because I offered him 17. Should I give him 17? Oh, no.
This is like the no-deal. Do you want to switch cases? Yeah, do you want it? You want 17?

Speaker 3 I'll I'll take 17 if you want 19.

Speaker 1 No, I have 17. Yeah, but he...

Speaker 1 You have 6? You got to stick with 6.

Speaker 1 Alright.

Speaker 1 18.

Speaker 3 I got a bad feeling about 6 right now, guys.

Speaker 3 Bad, bad feeling.

Speaker 1 63.

Speaker 1 That would have

Speaker 1 destroyed me.

Speaker 3 It had a 6.

Speaker 1 That would have destroyed me.

Speaker 1 Doesn't count.

Speaker 1 Hank, you're getting worse. Six times.
You're getting worse.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I don't think it's happening before Chicago.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, the other thing is, Hank, I heard the, I, like,

Speaker 3 96.

Speaker 1 Did you hear the blue birds? Did you hear people saying, like, do you hear people saying, Hank, have you ever gotten it?

Speaker 1 What do you mean? Like, people say that, right? That's all people say. Right.
People started saying to me, Big cat, you've only gotten it once. I heard that.
I used it as motivation.

Speaker 1 I went out and got it. I'm happy for you.
Thrilled.

Speaker 3 Love you guys.

Speaker 3 Giraffes have seven vertebrae in their neck to sing.

Speaker 3 I'll be gone

Speaker 3 after

Speaker 3 you.

Speaker 3 Let's just say

Speaker 3 I'm all the sentences, but be stoned away.

Speaker 3 Say after

Speaker 3 you say,

Speaker 3 yeah, you little eyes, just to play my worries away.

Speaker 3 You're all the things I've got to remember. You're shy and away.

Speaker 1 Well, I'll be caring for you anyway.

Speaker 1 I'll be

Speaker 1 gone

Speaker 1 without a drink.