Carson Palmer In Studio, NFL Draft, Celtics/Sixers Is A Go + Giannis And The Bucks Bounced

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Welcome to Pardon My Take. Today is Friday, April 28th, and we have the NFL Draft first round.
I think we say this every year, PFT, but it needs to be said again. I miss the days when it was just all on saturday yeah i do too i do too when you could just sit down and binge the entire thing and it was just it was truly like an event for freaks and weirdos because it was like hey honey uh i gotta go watch an entire uh nfl draft all day long like wait i I thought it wasn't football season.
No, no, no. We're going to watch a bunch of 19-year-olds get selected for seven hours, and we're going to get drunk doing it.
Yeah, and then we're going to scream at it when you don't pick the right 19-year-old. Now, I've noticed that the draft day takes have started to reheat.
I feel like draft day, the movie, has become more popular. It's a cool classic.
The farther that we've gotten from Draft Day. Yes.
And I always say that Draft Day would be maybe one of the worst movies of all time if it didn't have the rights to the exact NFL logos. Yes.
And team names. If they had to make up like a fake NFL league, that movie would suck.
Turns out that it rocks because it's like, oh, I recognize the Browns logo. Oh, I recognize the Jaguars logo.
They also were very early to the the drone shot if you do a drone shot of a stadium yeah i'm in i will watch just as uh i will watch just like they should actually you know what all right genius idea for uh any network producer out there do drone shots so like planet earth just do drone shots of stadiums i like that like literally just an entire documentary of drone shots of like you you're telling me you wouldn't tune in to a show where it's a drone shot of every college stadium in america have david attenborough narrated oh my god this is where pft cometers stuck his penis in las vegas yeah it would be incredible be incredible. All right, so we got distracted there for a second.

I do think, though, that I like Draft Day now, the movie, but it is like if it's like

National Treasure.

Right.

It's like if National Treasure was written in a Buffalo Wild Wings.

Yes.

Yes.

It's fun to like.

Yes.

All right.

So draft.

So we have right now two more picks, three more picks.

The big story, unfortunately, is Will Levis has not been selected yet.

Hopefully he gets selected.

he is in the green room. He's going to get selected.
I actually think it's in a weird way. Like you can't be a can't be a bust if you don't go in the top ten.
So now people won't judge him the same. Now he has time to flourish.
Yeah. To be a multi-Super Bowl winner.
You know what? He'll probably go to a place that has a quarterback in place already. Beautiful.
And then he'll get to learn. He'll get to sit behind an established starter.
And then he'll get to become. He'll get to blossom and metamorphosize to a beautiful butterfly on his own time.
Yes. I'm sure he'll be fine.
Now, they are already doing damage control because we've seen tweets from Chris Mortensen saying that there were some toe concerns. So once that toe is healed, then the sky's the limit for Will Levis.
But listen, we are nothing but incredibly biased in all of our analysis, and we like Will Levis because he's a friend of the program.

And so we will be rooting for him and hoping that everything works out.

But I do have a spin zone.

Go.

Will Levis was sitting in the green room.

He's been sitting in the green room for a very long time.

I did shoot him one text of encouragement because it's kind of an awkward spot because you're going to be like, hang in did you tell him like watch your lips because people are trying to read what you're saying no i just said hey just throw on the video of me getting the lottery ball and hank being salty as fuck and he responded shit had me crying what a loser so he's fine he's fine that's good he's fine had a little laugh there. Spread the love out.
Will Evans was sitting in the green room laughing about you not getting the lottery ball. We brought a smile to his face.
Is that not good? Yeah, no, it's great. Okay.
You sound great. Yeah.
That was a good move. Good job, Hank.
Yeah. Way to support our friends for once.
You saved the guy's happiness today. Good job, Hank.
Yeah. You're part of the 2023 NFL draft.
You can't write the story of the 2023 NFL draft without Hank Lockwood. So there was a Reddit rumor, and I love this.
I love the fact that the rumor out there was that he was going to go for the first time. I don't want to rain on his.
I don't want to pile on because he's had a bad enough night. So I'm happy.
Yeah, why not? You look happy. Yeah, you look happy.
Okay, keep going. It doesn't matter.
Yeah, yeah. It was a stupid Reddit rumor about him going first overall.
Oh, yeah. And that's what kind of calibrated people's opinions going into this draft, expecting him to go, like, top five because there's a rumor he would go one.
There's a rumor he'd go two. There's a rumor he'd go three and four overall and i guess it just shows us like don't don't pay attention to reddit rumors yeah unless it's billy telling you about the reddit rumor in which case the sources are ironclad yeah well i feel like the nfl draft is the last frontier when it comes to people uh being able to try to manipulate like how they're betting by being like let's just start a rumor this guy's gonna go no one really one really had, especially in this draft, it felt like it was going to be chaotic, and it was kind of chaotic.
So we went Bryce Young 1. Everyone expected that.
And then we went CJ Stroud 2, which we were talking with Jeremiah and Mick Shea and being like, it'd be crazy if the Texans didn't take a quarterback. They did the right thing.
And then the chaos started because the Texans pulled the all-time power move, traded up to three with the Cardinals, and took Will Anderson. So they got C.J.
Stroud and Will Anderson. And it's actually smart what they did because if they had done that in reverse and taken Will Anderson, then the price for the number three pick would have been a lot higher if C.J.
Stroud's still on the board. So, shocker, the Texans' front office did something extremely competent tonight.
And another shocker, the Cardinals' front office did something extremely competent because the Cardinals, it seemed like they were going to take Paris Johnson at three. They were able to trade out a three to six, get a future first rounder, and still get Paris Johnsonson yeah like think about this the cardinals and the texans might have just won the first round draft i think in my draft grade i'm going to give the texans an a plus yeah because they picked second and third and they got good players they got probably the best defensive player in the draft and a lot of people would say cj stroud best quarterback in this draft if you just go off based on how he played and how he passed from the pocket.
I thought you were going to say how he played and how he passed against Georgia. Yeah.
Because C.J. Stroud is, you could, if you're a C.J.
Stroud guy, you can just be like, last game, best game, that's all that matters. I actually go based off the first half of the first game I ever watched him play, which was against Minnesota, and I was like, this guy stinks.
And then he probably ripped it up in the second half. Then he ripped it up in the second half.
But still, that's my impression of C.J. Stroud.
And then we had Devin. So, Anthony Richardson goes to the Colts.
Feels like the Colts were like, hey, we're done playing this old quarterback game, roulette. Let's get off the carousel.
Let's get a young guy who's got all the traits, all the upside. Who knows? Yeah.
I mean, I like to pick because I do think – I like to pick more because it's the Colts, and if you're the Colts front office or you're a Colts fan, you're like, just please don't do the same thing you've been doing every year. Phil Rivers, Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz.
They have something completely fresh, completely new, totally different. That's fun.
And everything that he does is going to be a highlight or a low light. It's going to be there's going to be a clip of everything Anthony Richardson does.
Yeah, because he's like he's a player when he plays well. It's like, holy shit.
He's the only person in the league that can do that. Yeah.
When he plays poorly, he looks like a drunk Jameis. Jameis.
Yeah. So he's going to be just a content machine.
And listen, this is something that not every franchise gets the benefit. I'm going to use it as a positive.
The benefit of experiencing. But drafting a quarterback in the first round really does give you a new pep in your step lease on life.
Where you're like, we have at least a year to just only look at the positive and ignore all the negative the entire offseason after you draft the quarterback is maybe the best offseason of all because you can convince yourself of anything in that time period but even the first year like if he plays let's say he plays half the games yeah even if he sucks for half of those games you can still be like well you saw how good he was in that one game yeah and he does seem more dynamic than any quarterback that they've had in a very long time. Obviously, Andrew Luck was pretty good, and he could run the ball pretty well when he played.
But Anthony Richardson is like, he is Cam Newton 2.0. It's going to be weird seeing a guy like that in a Colts uniform.
It's going to be very jarring. Yeah, so Tyree Wilson to the Raiders.
I bust all Big 12 defensive players. I loved his suit, though.
Yeah, his suit was awesome. He looked like a cowboy pimp.
Kid Rock was just nodding somewhere. He looked awesome tonight.
So I tend to agree with you, just less on Big 12 players, but more Texas Tech player. If you're a defensive player, I would not touch you in the first round.
My brain is still stuck in the past. Yes.
B. John Robinson to the Falcons, which will be very fun.
Yeah. They're just going to run the ball.
He's going to be the Larry Johnson. Yeah.
They're just going to feed him the ball. Remember, they still have Algier, who's what? Is rookie? Was that his rookie year last year? Yeah.
Yeah. Second year? They have Drake London.
Yeah. They've got Kyle Pitts.
They just have beasts everywhere. Taylor Heineke's got some weapons.
I am. Now that we're listing all these, I'm going to start believing in the Falcons again.
Good. Because they have dudes.
Good for you. Yeah.
B. John Robinson is Texas back.
This is, I think, their second top 10 pick in, like, I don't know, probably the last 10 years out of Texas. Oh, speaking of which, this just triggered the fact that Bryce Young was the first Alabama

player ever to go first overall.

That's not true.

That's a fake stat.

It was it was shown on ESPN.

Modern NFL.

I looked it up.

I don't know.

Maybe like in the 40s or something.

It's insane.

I think Namath went three.

He went 12 in the NFL draft. He went first overall in the AFL draft.
Okay. But that wasn't the NFL draft.
How insane is that? That is extremely nuts when you think of all the talent that they've had. What schools have the most first overall picks? They haven't been like an insanely great offense until recently.
Yeah, but that that was any yeah yeah defensive as well that's

not that blew my mind what teams have what colleges have the most first overall picks yes there's five tied at uh one overall yeah one uh no sorry there's four ohio state no

Oklahoma

yes

four of them

there's one

is A&M

no Ohio State? No. Oklahoma.
Yes. Four of them.
There's one. Is it A&M? No.
It is Oklahoma, Georgia, Notre Dame, USC. Yeah, USC makes sense.
USC always kind of makes sense when you think about it. Yeah.
But, yeah, that blew my mind when I saw that. It is crazy to think that.
Seahawks got a great corner in early in the first round witherspoon is a beast so i you texted will levis i texted my good friend dk metcalf he was we got all the show uh and i told him that they they took will levis with their with their first first round was he pumped he was uh he was not pumped and then he told me that he wanted witherspoon instead. And so DK got his wish.
Nice. He got his corner.
I feel like the Seahawks, I'm going to give them an A too. Yeah.
Seahawks get an A right off the bat. Well, yeah, because the Seahawks took Devin Witherspoon.
And then they also got Jackson Smith and Jigba, who people had as the number one wide receiver. At 20, they got him.
That's kind of how I think about the draft. When think about teams that had multiple first-round picks.
I'm like, well, they won the first round. Yeah, exactly.
If you have more than one first-round pick. And then we had the Bears and Eagles trading.
So the Bears fleeced the Eagles, didn't want Jalen Carter. What? Wrong.
They did not fleeced the Eagles. The Bears fleeced the Eagles.
They didn't want Jalen Carter at nine. They got a free pick.
Doesn't matter which round next year from the Eagles. Is it third round? It doesn't matter what round.
Second round. It doesn't matter what round.
First round? I don't know how many times I had to say it. It doesn't matter what round.
And the Eagles took Jalen Carter, who a lot of people had as the best player in the draft. I actually, okay was being mean to me um i am now unfortunately have to root against jalen carter because that's just forever tied because jalen carter could end up being one of the best defensive tackles in the nfl and here's what i'm gonna say is i actually think that it was genius for the eagles take him and the bears did not take him because everything we've heard about him, he needs veteran leadership around him.
The Bears do not have that. The Bears have a very young locker room, not a lot of great defensive players.
The Eagles have the opposite. They have a lot of great defensive players, a lot of older Fletcher Cox, like a lot of guys that will help him.
So I actually – oh, dude, perfect's doing the Eagles pick. Give me a fucking break.
God damn it. We just took Smith, too.
We took Nolan Smith. We're just the Georgia.
I love how he's doing. Like, I hate it.
I hate it as a Commanders fan. I can't stand it because it makes too much sense.
Just take everybody from the best defense in the history of college football and put them on your team in the NFL. Yes.
So, Max, how are you feeling?

I mean, I feel great.

I don't think – I mean, a lot of people wanted Nolan Smith at 10 if we didn't get Carter there.

So, it's basically exactly what happened last year when Jordan Davis fell.

We took him, and then N'Kobe Dean fell, and then we took him.

Okay, so you have all Georgia guys.

So, it's just all Georgia.

Our entire defense will be Georgia.

It's smart. It's a smart move.
Now, that's not all of Dude Perfect. I noticed the Purple Hosers not there.
And Tall Guys not there. Our two favorites.
You have the worst elements of Dude Perfect out there. Yeah.
All right, so Max, you feel confident? You feel good? Yeah, I mean, I'm a big believer of draft day means nothing, and it's fun to get excited and watch highlights. Draftraft day is about Watching highlights That's the only thing That matters Is getting a guy Who has fun highlights That you can go to bed tonight Watching them And like Get you excited for the future That is But it means nothing Yeah That's one of the best parts But also If you just Played in the Super Bowl Then you're probably like Whatever We got a good team anyways Yeah was a bonus.
And then when you – if you want to talk about A draft grades,

the Eagles got an A draft grade tonight.

Are you a little nervous that you took more defensive players?

Are you a little nervous that, like, what if the turf isn't great and they slip

and then you cry about it for, like, a month how it was not fair?

You cried about that.

No, I didn't.

You cried about that.

I never said anything about that.

No, you cried about that.

I did not cry about that.

You cried about that.

You cried about that. Yeah, you cried.
No, you cried about that. You cried.
I cried. I do think that the Eagles have a really good draft, and I really do believe what I said is that Jalen Carter on the Eagles makes a ton of sense.
I don't know. He's probably going to be a really good player.
I don't know if he would have made a ton of sense on the Bears,

given everything else.

I'm going to feel safer driving around Chicago.

Yes.

So you didn't take him.

Yes.

And Darnell Wright is who the Bears took,

who was my number one offensive lineman on my big board.

Yep.

You know what? He's going to be a beast.

Here's a feather in your cap.

Micah Parsons, ever heard of him?

Yeah.

Great player.

Yeah.

Plays on the defensive line sometimes at edge, other times at linebacker. Encounters a lot of offensive linemen in his line of work.
He had this to say about Darnell, right? He's a first-round talent. Yeah.
So you got a first-round talent in the first round. That's value, baby.
That's good slot. That's great value.
That's good slot. Yep.
Yep. Yep.
Michael Parsons approved. No, I mean, drafting O-line is always so funny because no one knows how they're going to pan out.
Yeah. But you're like, we needed that.
And that's good that we needed that. You just want to take a big dude who can do the splits.
What was our friend Tom Fornelli? I said, tell me everything because he's one of those draft nerds. And I think his exact quote was, when he gets his hands on you, it's over.
Okay. I like that.
Yeah, that's smart. That's what they said about BTK, too.
If he gets his hands on you, you're done. That's good.
Love it. Love it.
Yeah. Yeah.
And then we got to. Well, let's talk about the Lions.
Yeah, the Lions basically. Because they just kept trading back.
And they did some weird shit. They're playing, like, 1980s football.
They took a running back after getting DeAndre Swift and David Montgomery. They have DeAndre Swift sign David Montgomery.
They drafted a running back at 12, and then an inside linebacker at, what, 18, 16? Yeah, so the weird thing was, why not, if they're going to draft a running back and they traded back and they ended up taking Gibbs,

why wouldn't they have just taken B. John Robinson with their initial pick?

I think, if I had to take a guess, they were going to take Devin Witherspoon.

Yeah.

The thing that I just don't understand about the Lions is they needed defense.

They had a good offense last year. They needed a lot of defense.
And then they took a running back with 12. I don't know.
The Lions can get, you know, they have a lot of talent right now, but it felt like running back and linebacker in the first round feels like the missing pieces to a Super Bowl team. Maybe the Lions are.
I don't know. Or right.
It feels like the pieces of a Super Bowl team when Dan Campbell was playing football. Right.
Exactly. Now, I was doubting the picks, too.
But then I saw Dan Campbell's reaction in the war room, and he basically started to wrestle everybody in the war room. He was so pumped up.
So I'm like, whatever. I trust in Dan.
Jack Campbell's a great linebacker name. Someone pointed out on Twitter, and he went to Iowa, so it will probably work out.
Academic Heisman? Yeah. Also, goalie of the Oilers.
Oh, really? Yeah, one of their goalies is Jack Campbell. Jack Campbell.
How about that? Yeah, so the Lions have five of the first 55 picks in this draft. Jesus.
Which is good, as long as you don't screw it up. It might be like giving Joe Biden more bicycles.
Yeah. Yeah.
So let's see. What else? Oh, Billy, what do you want to talk about? Will McDonald, the fourth? Love it.
We needed someone in the box, a linebacker, D-line, or an offensive lineman, and we got one. Yeah.
And he can jump really high. And this video is him jumping over.
That's huge. Cars, dunking, doing backflips off walls.
He can jump over a whole offensive line. Some people would say that he's undersized, Billy.
What do you think about that? He can jump high, so it doesn't matter. But in football, what's more important, jumping high or being big and strong? I mean, he's got some weight to him.
It's not like he's just a little short. Yeah, and he jumps high.
So he jumps high. But if he's short, he can jump high.
Isn't he, like, 240 or something like that? That still can hit. Yeah, he's 6'4", 240.
So he's not short or. Yeah, no, he can jump high.
He can jump. He can jump.
He can jump. He can jump.
He can jump. He can jump over a car.
Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't.
What kind of car? It was a sedan. Like if he jumps over like an offensive line, Troy Paul Lamu and Saks quarterback.
Okay. Yeah, exactly.
So I'm looking for that. What do you think about Emmanuel Forbes? I love a sedan.
Like if he jumps over like an offensive line, Troy Paul Lamu and Saks quarterback. Okay, yeah, exactly.
I'm looking for that. What do you think about Emmanuel Forbes? I love Emmanuel Forbes.
He's a ball hawk. He's got six interceptions returned for a touchdown.
Huge. So basically we got a wide receiver that's going to score touchdowns for us on defense.
Also, the two guys that made the pick are defensive backs. Both of our directors of this entire draft for the commanders play defensive back.
So I trust what they're doing. That's like Ryan Poles and offensive linemen.
Yeah. So they know what they're looking for.
Right now. It does.
It does worry me a little bit that the Patriots picked right after us and their pick was in the second that we announced that we were going to take Forbes. And then they ended up taking Christian Gonzalez a little bit too quickly after we took our cornerback, which makes me think, oh, shit, we really fucked this up.
No worse feeling than doing like a fantasy football draft and having someone pick directly after you instantly being like, I can't believe you missed that. They stand up and they say yes.
Yeah, that's what Belichick did to the commanders tonight. And Christian Gonzalez was slotted to go somewhere in the top 15, fell to 17.
Some were saying top 10. I think his over-under was 8.5.
Hank, you feeling good? Sure. I was watching the Celtics game.
Okay, we'll get to that. I give your grade a B+.
Flashy suit. Yeah.
Don't know how that's going to work. Hopefully that's just a draft day thing.
Oh, and if you don't trust me, by the way, that Forbes is going to be a great cornerback. You ever heard of Jalen Ramsey? You heard of him? He's pretty good.
He said he's like that about Emmanuel Forbes. So I feel like being like that is right behind him.
If we're doing power rankings of him, that dude, one of one, and like that, I would put like that number two. So that's good.
That's a good endorsement. Yeah.
So Will Levis officially not picked in the first round. That sucks.
The Chiefs didn't take him? The Chiefs did not take him. Let's look for Chiefsaholic.
Oh, okay. He could be there.
The Chiefs officially did not take him. That sucks.
I would get so hammered if I were him tonight. Yeah.
I would just, boom, hit the bar right now. Did he go back to the green room? I think Geno Smith did.
Again, spin zone. I actually think you might go to a better situation.
Also, people won't look at you. Anthony Richardson and C.J.
Stroud, if they're not really, really good, they're a bust. If you're picked in the second round, the bust potential is just not like people don't view you the same way.
And if you end up being good, then you can call the other guys later when somebody else slides in the green room and be like, hey, it gets better. You know who was in the green room after day one four years ago? DK Metcalf.
Oh, there we go. Yeah.
Huge. There's actually, I mean, the notables right now on the list, Hendon Hooker, Michael Mayer, who was awesome at Notre Dame, Joey Porter Jr., Brian Branch.
I'm shocked that the Steelers didn't take Joey Porter Jr. Just based off vibes.
It felt like they had to do that. There's some good names.
Yeah. There's some good names out there.
So, Will will get drafted tomorrow by someone. And, yeah, that just sucks.
It sucks for him. It's a bummer for him.
But you know what? If he's smart, you know what? Will, oh, bite me in big red. That's great.
We will talk to Will at some point. Maybe we can figure out a way to do, like, he should be doing some type of advertising commercial.
Snickers. Yeah.
Not going anywhere for a while. You know what? Maybe I'll have him, yeah, Stella Blue, like, waiting.
Memes said I should do a meme saying waiting for the coffee. I'm not going to do that.
But that – he has some money out there right now. Yeah, he'll be fine.
Yeah. All right.
So, other picks. So, the run on wide receivers happened around – what was it? 20? Jackson Smith, Najigba, Zay Flowers.
Look at – we should talk about it right now. Lamar Jackson is still a Raven.
So that was the big news he got what did he get end up getting 185 million 185 million that's a lot of money to guarantee to a running back and i i mean the ravens kind of they fleeced themselves on that one great job ravens like who nobody in their right mind was going to trade anything worth anything for that guy i didn't want i never wanted that guy like why would you why would you want a quarterback that has to miss half the games in the bathroom right that's why would you make like 12 photoshops no it's it's such no of course not why would anybody ever do that he's he's he's gonna be a raven and it seems like the ravens are have they've been doing the thing where they are like overcompensating for the fact that they haven't invested in wide receivers and weapons for him in the past because they got Odell, and then they went out tonight and they got another wide receiver in Zay Flowers. So it's like, yeah, you cheat on somebody and then you just bring them gifts and chocolate and diamonds and flowers for the next five days after they take you back just to try to get back in their good graces.
It feels like the Ravens are are trying a little too hard to make Lamar happy. Yeah.
In reality, he's a running back. He's not going to.
Nobody wants him. But the Ravens have some talent around him for once.
So, Zay Flowers, yeah, went. And then we had the Vikings took Jordan Addison, which is scary to think the Vikings having, like, if he's a good receiver, another great receiver.
I love the Bills pick of Dalton Kincaid. Like, what did we say over and over and over about the bills offense like not being able to get those those little yards over the middle of the field like not boomer bus just getting like five yards dalton kincaid is an awesome awesome pass catching tight end and then uh who was the other there was one other wide receiver taken there was let's see oh quinn johnson from tCU.
Yeah, it was. It was four wide receivers in a row.
So everyone just took wide receivers. It seems like there are a lot of teams out there that are just trying to outscore the Chiefs.
They've given up. The league has given up on trying to defend Patrick Mahomes with the exception of the Raiders who took their defensive end.
But in terms of the Chargers, Bills, they're just like, you know what? We're not going to be able to limit Patrick Mahomes to under 30 points. Let's just try to score 38 and hope that's enough.
Yeah. Yeah.
You're absolutely right. Yeah.
Just outscore them. It's that simple.
Just more points. Score more points.
There was a couple other things. Oh, yeah.
The Packers. They, I think we were all hoping that they would take a wide receiver that would have been fun would have been awesome they took lucas van ness and he had all of his sisters around him congratulating him i think there were like four girls on the couch his dad was it his dad that was patting one of them on the butt it was that and then his little brother or friend jumped on him got pulled off and they got pulled like chicks only on this couch bro come on man he's in the nfl now you know the rules yeah he compares favorably to aiden hutchinson i would say yes family department yes i would agree i would agree um yeah that's any other big ones from the draft i mean there wasn't anything that i was like shocked shocked with like i said i think the texans being aggressive was pretty cool to see yeah and the lions are doing a throwback team when was the last time a team took two picks in the first five because i know one i know one time that happened it was a long time ago like 23 years i think jake can you look it up yeah two picks in the first five i think there was another one recently Fuck.
Because the one I know was the Redskins When they took LeVar Arrington and Chris Samuels There was one very recently But it just seems like they're on the right track It would have been insane if they had not taken a quarterback I'm glad that they're not insane Should we talk some basketball? Congratulations Hank Congratulations Hank Thank. Soul Patch bet is officially on the clock.
I'm excited. I'm ready.
The Celtics are tested. They know what it's like.
They had to be locked in. The Hawks played well.
They fought well. But now the Celtics are in the mindset of they know what they have to do to win.
Sixers have had a lot of time off. Didn't have to really sweat to win those games.
Celtics

are going to come out hot. Blow them out game one.
The Celtics have won a can't lose game. Baker and Denzel Ward.
2017 Brown. Yeah.
2018 Brown. Okay.
Yeah. That was one in four.
So Hank, are you, you're ready, locked, loaded. No problem.
I'm ready for a sweep. Sweep either way? No, Celtics.

Oh, okay. And Max?

You were... max has basically been like he's had free you know house money for the last week and now it's all setting in like oh fuck i think yeah so max gone through the whole gambit of emotions i'm so excited for this for for our show because it's going to be great to watch but max had he was scared then and b got healthy in the celtics lost game five and then he got happy and then you could tell tonight he was rooting very hard for the hawks and i think he like then the the clock struck midnight and he was like oh no oh the thing about max is he's never been worried about this and he'll beat Hank's ass.
No. One thing about Max? Thing about me.
No, it'll be a fun series. We need to do a super cut of Max just pausing and being like, no, no.
It's going to be a fun time. No, it's going to be fun.
The last time I spoke about this series, I was a little bit more nervous.

But you're not nervous now?

No.

I mean, it's still a playoff series.

Celtics are a good team.

They may not be as good as I thought that they were.

I will say that.

The Hawks are a bad team.

That's one thing that we need to discuss is that the Hawks are not good.

Oh, but the Nets are just a great team with all their star players that star players. We storm rolled through the Nets.
It wasn't even a question. Storm rolled.
Storm rolled. They got storm rolled.
Big storm was coming in. Storm rolled right through the Nets.
No, I'm ready. I'm happy for the Hawks that they were able to get Embiid as much rest as he possibly could going into the next series.

I still don't think he'll be at 100%,

but he'll be good to go. We'll get some

steroids shot at him, right, Bill?

Yeah, he'll probably have him. Yeah, yeah.

He'll go right through the pain, and

Sixers are going to win. Sixers and six.

Sixers and six.

Okay. That makes sense to me.

Hank?

I think it's going to be Celtics in four or five. I mean, Celtics' defense was horrible in this series.
Like, very bad. They were really good.
But I do truly— One of 12 in the second half in this game, and they almost won. I do—not really.
Celtics got a blue mount in the fourth quarter. I do truly believe that it was good that the Celtics had to have that wake-up call, like, oh, fuck, we have to

lock all the way in.

You can't pause in the playoffs.

You can't take your foot off the gas.

Now they're in that mindset. They know.

They know? Losing those games was

good for them. And going to games,

it wouldn't be bad because of rest,

but they have plenty of rest. They'll be good.

Okay. So,

I'm so excited for this. The schedule works out great for the show.
Well, no, not really. Yeah.
We're going to be out next week. Right.
That part doesn't work out. No, but we're streaming Monday.
Yeah. Wednesday, Friday we're out, but then it's Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday.
Oh, okay. That is good.
And we were going to be gone next week. So not a sweep.
For the Wednesday, Friday anyway. So the way you just described that was not a sweep.
That's just the schedule of the games. But you didn't say if necessary.
Yeah, you were like, the schedule works out very well. Every game outside of the first four will be show days.
No, Sunday night. So not a sweep.
No, we'll have a stream Sunday night. You'll be shaving your face.
Oh, on stream. You'll be shaving your face.
You'll be shaving your face. What are the exact terms? Because I'm getting confused.
The exact terms of the bet. Loser, soul patch.
Sweep. Sweep, two months non-consecutive of having a soul patch.
Correct. And then I'm on the Sixers.
And then Big Cat is on B-Ball Paul. Oh, Blake Griffin.
We got to figure out that number. You don't like Blake? I love Blake.
Absolutely. I love Josh Harris, though.
20? Is 20 fair? For both combined? Yes. Yeah.
I think that's fair. 20 points.
In the series? Yeah. Total? Yeah.
No, B-Ball Paul's going to get that in one night. When B's not going to play.
All right, so what's a fair number? I don't know. We can figure that out.
I'm not worried. I'm rooting for Blake.
Has Blake played? Same. I hope Blake has really good series.
I hope Blake, yeah, gets in a shitload. Scores a ton.
All right, we'll figure out that number. It should be like whatever their season average is, half.
And also in a sweep. So four games times their season half of their season average.
Okay. What else? Oh, is there a chance to leave all this? Yeah, there's definitely a chance.
They showed the graphic earlier today of their last like 14 clinching games, all losses. There's always a chance with Leafs.
They will figure out a way to blow it. But I don't know.
I guess I just haven't experienced Leafs failure on a first-person basis enough. I've really only got last year and then what's happened so far this playoffs to really understand what it's like rooting for the Maple Leafs in a playoff series.
It's not good. It's bad, in fact.
Even when they're winning, it feels like they could blow it at any given time. But as Jake pointed out tonight, the thing I was confused about at the start of the game, trying to figure out which team was which team, because their Pantones of blue are the exact same.
There's not even a difference. 281C.
281C. They're the exact same.
That's tricky on the eyes. But, yeah, I'd say probably like a 70% chance that the Leafs blow it, which is lower than normal.
Yeah. It feels, I don't know.
Maybe it's just, you know, one game, but it also is like the lightning had been there many times before. If they win this game six, whoo boy, that would really suck for Leaf fans it really would i just looked it up b-ball paul is averaging four points a game and blake's averaging four points a game so the total over under should be like 16 for the whole series is that fair yeah wait for both of them combined yeah so if they're both averaging four points a game, then it would be half.
32, wouldn't it? No, no. I said half of their season average times four games.
Okay, yeah. So 16 points I need out of both of them combined? Yeah, sure.
I mean, Blake hasn't been playing a ton. Blake's a matchup guy, though.
He is a matchup guy. Maybe they'll play against each other.

Blake should be playing way more.

God damn it.

Get him in the game.

He'll have his day.

All right, so I need 16 points.

16 points?

I think it's 17.

16 and a half.

16 and a half.

16 and a half points out of B-Ball Paul and Blake Griffin combined for me not to get a soul patch.

I like that.

I will be in a lot of trouble if I have I get a soul patch when a baby's coming. Oh, those are going to be some great pictures.
That's a future me problem, boys. That's a future me problem.
Yeah. A lot, a lot of trouble.
This is the picture of when you were born. Let's just give Paul Reed to get people on Paul and Blake Griffin 17 points.

That's just what we need.

So you're rooting for MB to stay hurt, too?

No, I'm rooting for a seven-game series because then I think I can hit it.

If it goes six or seven, I think I'm okay.

But if it goes significantly less, yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Now I feel just as nervous as fucking Max. What do you have, PFT? I've got the Sixers.
I'm rooting for Josh Harris. All right.
And also... But again, you don't...
Oh, man. What? You want the soul patch.
Yeah, you don't have... You just want to rock the soul patch.
No, I don't want to have the soul patch. I want to feel something in this series.
You could rock a soul patch and no one would say anything. Right.
That's not true. I don't think anyone would say anything.
It's a bad soul patch. Wait.
I don't think. I don't think.
Like, if I close my eyes, it's like just PFT and a soul patch. Yeah.
Just strictly the Howie Mandel. Hank, when was the last time you shaved your beard? You guys don't have to shave your heads, right? Just a couple years.
No, no, no. Is it under the lip or on the chin? Under the lip.
17 is a lot of points. I'm looking right now.
It's not that many. No, it's not.
B-Ball Paul is going to have 10 points. He literally, because Embiid didn't play.
Embiid didn't play. He's going to have 10 points.
It's not going to be a sweep. Okay.
All right. You promise? I guess if it's a sweep, then I just get to laugh at you.
Now, Hank, this is so bad. Why am I involved in this? I'm excited.
Real excited. This is bigger than the finals.
Every point from B-Ball Paul and Blake Griffin is going to feel like a Super Bowl for me. Every single point matters.
Yeah, this is going to be great. All right.
Also, Skip Bayless weighed in, and he said that the Sixers are way, way, way, way, way, way, way, that greater than sign. I have no idea where this is going.
Way, way, way, way, way better than the Celtics. So Skip Bayless is on our side.
We should actually, everybody tell Skip Bayless he has to get a soul patch if the Sixers lose too. Yeah.
He's in on this bet, whether he likes it or not. Everyone tweet him.
All right, let's, we're kicking it to ourselves. We're going to talk.
Devils beat the Rangers too. Oh yeah, the Rangers are done.
The Rangers are pathetic. The Rangers are pathetic.
They are. Like that is a pathetic to be up 2-0 with two games at home,

and then they obviously lost in New Jersey tonight,

but they're pathetic.

4-0 shutout.

Rangers fans.

Not over yet.

Pathetic performance.

That is.

It is.

That's pathetic.

Are they dead?

I think the Rangers might be dead.

It feels like that.

I mean, they got shut out.

Yeah.

No, that's pathetic.

Okay.

So, we're going to talk all Giannis, Bucks, all the Wednesday night action, every series that went on. And then we have Carson Palmer and Fyre Fest.
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let's have a debate about failure because the playoffs Wednesday night, the Heat beat the Bucs in five, and Jimmy Butler does it again. Jimmy Butler was insane in game four with 56 points.
He backed it up again with 42-7-8 in game five. The Bucs blew another huge lead.
They were up in the going into the fourth quarter it was the biggest comeback uh in a clinching game he went in overtime and then Giannis after the game uh was asked let's let's set the stage so he's asked after the game is this season a failure bad question I would say weird question weird question because it's it implies that the term failure it's kind of loaded right what did you fail in your ultimate goal yes but when you say failure you're kind of asking him like this season might you wish the season never happened right so he responded uh quote it's not a failure it's steps to success there's always steps to it michael jordan played 15 years won six championships the other nine years were they a failure. It's steps to success.
There's always steps to it. Michael Jordan played 15 years, won six championships.
The other nine years, were they a failure? MJ definitely would say yes. Without a doubt.
If you were to ask that same question, he'd be like, yeah, the season sucked. Not worth it.
Yes. That's what you're telling me.
It's the wrong question. Giannis continued.
There's no failure in sports. There's good days, bad days.
Some days you're successful. Some days you're not.
Some days it's your turn. Some days it's not your turn.
And that's what sports is about. You don't always win.
Sometimes other people win. And this year, somebody else is going to win.
Simple as that. I feel the same way.
Okay. Hank is talking about the lottery ball right now.
This was a great, my initial take. So it was funny because the game ended really late.
and Giannis has like a lot of like he's one of the most likable athletes I think across all sports no one really hates Giannis he is seems like a great dude obviously an incredible basketball player a couple MVPs championship he's got a loaded trophy closet he gives great quotes there was the was the initial like, oh, Giannis, this is so profound.

And I watched it in the morning when I woke up, and I was like, wait.

This is like something you say to a bunch of like 10-year-olds in Little League.

It's okay to say the Bucs' season was a failure.

Giannis isn't a failure.

None of the players are a failure.

Their season was a failure.

They were the one seed.

They had the most wins in the regular season. They were they were odds on favorites and they got bounced in five games that's a failure now so if you were to say that to a group of little league kids it's because you're trying to teach them what would be the right lesson in life right where this is you want them to grow up to have this perspective that Giannis already has as an adult so it's I guess technically, you teach them because they're not going to be professional athletes and they need to learn that, like, the journey and everything like that and how to win well and lose well and all that.
So Giannis has almost too much perspective. Right.
Which, if he hadn't already won a championship, I would definitely say this is why Giannis will never win an NBA championship. Yes.
Because he has too much perspective in things when we're talking about Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers like Aaron Rodgers has all the perspective in the world because of his psychedelic use yes which is not the trait that you want in an elite quarterback you want a guy to be a complete psycho and to say I will literally get divorced right if it means that you try to keep me from winning football yes so in an ideal in an ideal world, in the world of professional sports, you want as little perspective as possible sometimes. You want psychos.
Well, yes, you want psychos. Giannis, while technically being correct with this take and saying all the right things and what you would hope that citizens of the world would grow up to be thinking to themselves, at the same time you're like, he have that dog in him well it's it's just it's professional sports and expectation does change like these post-game comments because if de'aaron fox or malik monk said this i'd be like okay they're on the way up they're climbing they're young team no one expected this three seed all that janice you guys were expected to be competing for a title you were expected expected to be in the Eastern Conference Final at bare minimum when the bracket all broke out.
And they lost in five. Again, it's crazy that people are like, well, Giannis isn't a failure.
No shit, Giannis isn't a failure. He's overcome all odds.
He's one of the best players in the NBA. But this season's a failure.
I don't understand why you can't just say we failed at getting our goal yeah so uh really the big winner in all this is the play-in tournament yeah because the heat become they're the first team to ever advance after winning the play-in tournament right yeah so this is what we've always wanted for the play-in tournament it might start meaning more now it might be meaningful games jimmy butler because because of one jimmy g butler yeah who is now you know what jimmy's number one he's my number one player in the nba not everyone else is a failure yeah and also if you look at it you have to look at this through the lens anytime you talk about basketball of what would michael jordan do and also what would lebron do in a situation like this and if lebron had been the say, this season is not a failure, I made a lot of good friends along the way and had some great practices and enjoyed time spent on this earth, we would lead the next five shows off with talking about LeBron. It was one of my criticisms of Coach K when he'd have like a one or two seed and after they would get bounced in the tournament, he'd be like, it's about teaching young men how to become like adults.
It's like, no, you wanted to win a title. You wanted to win a title.
That was the goal. It's okay in professional sports to be like, we're trying to win a title.
And if we don't win a title, we failed, especially when you are the best team in the league. Hank, I know that you saw this and you were like, this is ridiculous.
Yeah. The hat you're wearing right now, you're, you're city of champions.
You, you probably saw this and we're like, gross. I hate that hat, but I love it at the same time.
Any team that's so good. Any season that doesn't end in a championship is a failure.
A couple quick notes from the game. Well, no, so that.
What if you get to a lot of championships? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that depends.
And lose them all in the same year. I think it does depend, like, because someone was like, oh, well, don't you say enjoy the Celtics series last year was not a failure.
But it was. Oh, yeah.
Losing the championship. Yeah, when you're in the championship.
Because you have championship expectations. If the Celtics lost in the first round to the Hawks, that's a failure.
Colossal failure. That's a failure.
Losing two games is a failure. And again, it doesn't mean any of these guys are failures.
I quickly realized, because it was a nice, healthy debate, that it became a semantics battle, too. Where it's like't this is stupid now because people are saying like well now you're calling i'm never calling on as a failure but it's and i think if you're a fan of the bucks and you like pay money and you invest your time and everything to have them be like no it's not a failure that you'd be like what the fuck dude like it's okay it's not saying that you suck or that of, like, the future of the Bucs is ruined or anything like that.
This season was a failure. It's like the difference in grade school.
When you're a young kid, we were graded on the curve of, like, G for good or O for outstanding, G for good, S for satisfactory, N for needs improvement. Right.
And then you get above, like, second grade, and the F starts to hit, which stands for failure. The for failure the bucks need improvement but also this season was a failure yeah you could also say disappointing like this is a disappointing end extremely disappointing for the box but fail yeah failure it was technically a failure but you're not a fail i guess the new debate instead of done or finished like is it a failure or is it disappointing yeah well it's it it just becomes a semantics battle where it's like, how do you define failure? These guys all have reached the pinnacle of pressure.
No shit. The guys who are playing on the court aren't failures.
I'm going to let our good friend Webster solve this one. I looked it up.
No, Oxford. This is coming from Oxford.
A failure is defined as a lack of success. I would

say that this is a failure. Yeah, this season

was a lack of success. Yeah.
By the

letter of the law, this is a failure.

Yeah. What were you going to say, Billy? I just feel like

Giannis embodies the city

and the team. Like, he sees himself

as synonymous, so it was, like, hard for him

to say, like, to remove himself and be like

the Bucs have failed. Well, he does have, like,

he has really good perspective, and he's a very likable guy, but this this one I just feel like it's okay to be like yeah we failed our goal was to win a title can I give you a spin zone on this one big cat you know who a minority investor in the Bucs is minority owner Aaron Rodgers another postseason loss for Aaron Rodgers failure two I just feel like I gotta I gotta put this on the record, but the fact that the Heat, the Jimmy Butler play to go into overtime, basically happened in a second or less than a second, maybe a second and a half. I think it was over two seconds.
There was .8 left, and the Bucs had a timeout, and they just didn't call it. When the Heat basically scored on a play that was take a second or less, so the Bucs could have done something similar and they just chose not to.

So if Giannis was, this would have been way more explosive,

but he should have just been like, yeah, our coach is a failure

because not only did Bud go to overtime

with a timeout in his back pocket,

I'm pretty sure they finished overtime

with a timeout in his back pocket.

Grayson Allen finished the game.

The Bucs season finished without a last shot.

That was a few times in sports I was laughing out loud

I'm going to go to the next episode. Grayson Allen finished the game.
The Bucs season finished without a last shot. That was, you know, a few times in sports I was laughing out loud at that last shot attempt.
It was so funny when it got to Grayson Allen and he just didn't even get a shot off trying to do a Eurostep with zero seconds left. Yeah.
I was like legitimately, I can't believe that just happened. You don't really see that in pro.
I feel like in college, yeah. Yeah, the Badgers might have done that in the NIT semifinal where they just played hot potato for the last 15 seconds.
Yeah, but in pro, yeah, crazy. But it was a coaching masterclass by Spolstra and a complete dud by Coach Budd because he was, there was a couple things.
One is afterwards Giannis was asked, did he wish he had guarded Jimmy Butler more? Because Drew Holiday was getting torched by Jimmy Butler. Like he was.
And Jimmy Butler was talking all the shit. He kept on screaming at him, on your head, on your head.
I think he pointed at the Jumbotron. Yeah, and he just kept on being like, I'm doing it on your head, which was, I fucking love Jimmy Butler so much.
But Spoh, so that last play that you mentioned, it was afterwards, Jimmy Butler said he told Spoh that he thought Drew Holiday, the exact quote is he believed Drew Holiday would lock and trail behind him on that lob at the end of regulation, and then it would open up the lob over the top, and Spoh was like, yes, do it. And then on the other side, Giannis was asked why he didn't guard Jimmy Butler more.
And Giannis said, yes, out of respect, you've got to let Coach make that adjustment. At the end of the day, I wish I could guard him more.
Like Giannis is the best player on the court. He should be guarding Jimmy Butler.
He should tell his coach, hey, Coach, you're an idiot. I should be guarding him.
Clearly, this is not working. Yet Giannis was like, no, I trust my coach, which was a mistake because Bud got absolutely manhandled.
And I don't know if this could be a fake quote. I just want to say it before I say it.
I did see it in the replies. But when the Raptors were down 0-2 to the Bucs when Kawhi, the year they won the championship, there was a quote that the coach came in and said, we're going to make some adjustments.
And Kaaii told the coach yeah the adjustment is i'm guarding uh yeah yannis it is a player leak like the best players should if the best play i i know the coaches have a job but like if jimmy butler says to spo this is what we can do to score this basket suppose like yeah you're the best player you see what you see better than i i can right now whereas yannis he should just go guard jimmy butler and it was we should say one one one caveat jimmy butler did kind of shove on that last play he did kind of show he did push off but also the bucks were getting every call did they call it no then he didn't push off he didn't push off as far as let me ask you this hypothetical who would you rather have guarding the rim on that shot? Giannis or Connaughton? Well, here's another thing that happened. They put Connaughton in just for that play, too.
Here's what also happened. Spoh put Bam on the bench, and Bud then put Lopez on the bench.
Lopez, kind of important for a lob at the rim. Kind of a guy you want out there.
Spoh was just doing circles around him. You hardly ever see a lob at the rim on that play with like two seconds left.
That's usually not the call, but it works. Jimmy's saying, I think this is going to work.
Let's do it. Spill's got to be the best coach in the league.
He's so good. And even the little shit, like Bam was not great this series, but in the fourth quarter, they had Bam just like basically the point guard and lopez was just giving him all the space in the world and he was able to pass to anyone like opened up the 13 point comeback like everything spo did bud was just standing there being like gee i don't know yannis should just post up i guess it's crazy i'd like to confirm hank's fake quote it's actually real yeah so it was from Phil Handy.
He wrote this down. Kawhi said, the adjustment is I'm guarding Giannis, and then he walked out of the locker room.
Yeah, and that's it. Like, when your best player says, especially when your best player steps up and is like, I'm going to do this, you know that he, like, why wouldn't, that's the best coaching in the world.
Get out of the way. Yeah, so maybe, again, Giannis has too much perspective.
I'm going to let coach make the decisions. I have to trust coach.
Maybe he's just got to be a dick. Maybe occasionally Giannis has to, has to just put his balls on the table.
Yeah. And I know obviously Giannis getting hurt changes like the, the course of the series, but the bucks one single win was when Giannis wasn't playing and they blew double digit leads and back-to-back games in the fourth quarter when they just couldn't score.
I think they scored like two field goals from six minutes on in the regulation, including overtime. Like, they just couldn't score when they needed to, and Jimmy Butler is the man.
Not to mention the Heat aren't full strength either. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everyone's got injuries. And all their guys were fouled out in overtime.
Yeah. And Udonis with the most heat culture tech ever going at it with Bobby Portis.
Yes, which was like that's just two dogs barking at each other with a fence in between. I love both those guys.
Yeah. Yeah.
But Jimmy Butler, like this is now – like his game four was one of the most impressive things I think we all had seen. So actually finish it off on the road and then have it be in five games you beat the number one seed.
Whomped him. Like, this is, that's an all-time performance this entire series.
And if they keep going, they play the Knicks, Tibbs versus Jimmy. It's ready to go.
It's going to be awesome. I have a little fun stat for you.
Jimmy Butler in his games post All-Star game. 20 games.
How many threes did he hit? Post All-Star. 20 games.
Regular season only? 7. He hit 13.
He hit 12 in 5 games. And actually 12 in 4 games because he didn't hit one in the first game.
He's a switch guy. He's the ultimate Jimmy Butler has officially flipped the switch.
Incredible. Incredible.
Yeah, it was awesome to watch Jimmy the last two nights. Goddamn, he's good.
He's so good. He's so good.
And it feels like he's good just when he wants to be good. Yeah, he just turns it on.
And he has that, like, I am better than you. I'm going to take this game over on your head.
There's just nothing better in sports than watching someone talk shit and then back it up. He's like the opposite of Dylan Brooks.
I would like to say directly to our audience, part of my take is a failure because we pronounce heat culture to be dead. That's true.
We failed. We did.
I did. I failed.
Listen, we failed. We failed.
Heat culture was dead. Yeah.
We failed at correctly announcing the time of death of heat culture. Actually, maybe we were right because it culture it's Jimmy Butler culture but what brought in Jimmy Butler he checked all the boxes I think Jimmy Butler culture is now over heat culture no no it's Jimmy Butler culture Jimmy Butler did that Duncan Robinson culture but yeah no I did declare him dead and I mean.
I mean, it was shocking. And even, I'll admit, like, we were talking about Bullseed.
We're like, eh. Yeah.
We're probably going to lose to the Bucs, but. I do wonder if Giannis didn't get injured, but guess what? That just happens.
And like you said, Tyler Hero's injured. He broke his hand.
Is he coming back or no? I think if they make the finals. Okay, so.
So probably not. I'm not going to say it.
No, I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to say it.
Probably not. I'll say it.
Heat culture's dead. I'm not going to say it.
I haven't learned my lesson yet. I am officially, especially with the Lakers, who went and put out another dud.
I feel like they're just, they are like the Jimmy Butler as a team where they just flip the switch. Like, oh, we don't need to win game five.
We'll go back to Los Angeles and win game six. I think they can.
They're playing with fire, though. I still think they can.
They're playing with fire. The third quarter was a dagger for them.
Yeah. They fought.
They would bring it back close, but after that third quarter, they weren't going to win that game. Yeah.
And LeBron said he had to be better. He's like, I'm a failure.
For the good of the game. I'm hoping for the Lakers.
For the good of the game. Yeah.
Lakers. Lakers, Warriors, Celtics.
Yeah. Need all advanced.
So the war is the other thing, and we'll talk about Knicks Cavs, but Hank has never been more right about us being light the beam guys and being so excited, and then the Warriors have ripped off three straight wins. Finally one on the road.
There was a material change with Darren Fox. Yeah.
Yeah. Although I think it's just like the Warriors don't start the playoffs until Draymond gets suspended.
Yeah. And then they're ready to kick it into gear.
And then that last dagger layup that Curry made, I think they were up like four or five with like 40 seconds left where he just ran around the court with the ball. He hit every corner of the court and then hit a layup.
It's like, yeah, that's why this guy is so fucking good. I think what's going to happen is if the Kings advance,

we're going to be caught up again on the beam team. We're going to have beam-o-mania.

We'll be beaming everywhere.

And we're going to be, yeah, dude, it's going to be beam pie.

Yes.

And I'm going to be very excited about them moving on to the second round.

And then they're going to start actually playing the second round.

And I'm going to be like, I really wish that this was the Warriors.

Yes.

Yes. Yes.
So Warriors take a three, two lead back to the Bay. Never say never, but that was like the Warriors not being able to win on the road.
They, they check that off and now they can win game six. And then the Warriors, which would be crazy if they win, they get home court in the Lakers when they get home court advantage as a six seed.
That's huge. The playoffs have been so awesome because we usually don't have this.
We had an insane upset, insane series performance from Jimmy Butler. We've had Warriors, Kings.
It's been awesome to watch. We've had Lakers, Grizzlies have weird rivalries.
It's like we usually don't get this in the first round of the playoffs. Yeah.
You know what? I think we do have to become a failure podcast. We have to call kind of are we are we are takes are always we have to we have to embrace it we have to judge everything as a failure from this point on every small thing that happens i mean jimmy butler has been stuffing in your face for like four years since you called him a non-top 15 player i said he was like 16 at the time yeah he just keeps doing it he is uh so So what's the bigger failure, Purdue or the Bucs? One seed's getting bounced.

I would say Purdue. You think Purdue? The space of the underdogs versus the favorites there.
Like the Heat. I mean, the Heat had to go in the number one player in the league, according to you.
Well, that's retroactive because he just did that. It's a chicken or the egg situation but with fdu didn't put percentage wise percentage wise i think that was the fifth or sixth time of one fifth time yeah but there's only two one seats this is the second time right yeah but four out of seven versus one but there's four one season march madness every yeah they're number four too i would say bigger failure, which means that the Bucs are a bigger failure at being a bigger failure.
Because they failed at being the best failure. Right, yeah.
Failure. Double failure.
Giannis couldn't be more wrong. They're the ultimate failure.
Okay, yeah. So in conclusion, Giannis is a pussy, and I would beat the shit out of him.
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I have, so Knicks, like, they're legitimately good. Julius Randle, he got hurt.
Like, he was terrible all series. Jalen Brunson's awesome.
Fucking Josh Hart's awesome. R.J.
Barrett's been playing well. Like, the Knicks are good.
Yep. And the Cavs are a couple years away still.
I don't know. Like, that was – they got absolutely dominated on the boards in every game.
I do have one good thing for the Cavs, that Cavs fans who are listening can take this with them. Ricky Rubio, after the game, reiterated what Danny Green said in the locker room, saying that the Cavs were better than the Knicks, but they didn't show it, and New York wanted it more.
So the Cavs technically won that series because they were better, but the Knicks were one. But the Cavs were better.
They just didn't show it. The Cavs were better.
They didn't show it plus the effort. If the Cavs played their best game, they would have won that series, but they never played their best game.
But they also didn't want it enough. Correct.
So it's a formula with the two things that you need to win a series that they didn't do they had one of them but they were better they were better they just didn't play better but the two things they didn't play better they didn't demonstrate that they were better you need three things you need to be better to want it more and then to play better so they had one of the three yeah so that means that the other team had two of the three and that's why they that's why that's exactly how the series but that still means that the other team had two of the three. Correct.
And that's why they won. That's exactly how the series was designed.
But that still means that the other team's better. But if we did it on paper or on an Excel sheet, the Cavs have advanced.
Okay, got it. Because they were more talented.
Got it, okay. Right.
Congratulations to the Cavs. Congratulations to the Cavs.
They were better than the Knicks. Knicks season is a failure.
According to Ricky Rubio and Danny Green. Got it.
That's loser talk. That is something might have gotten lost in translation.
But it was a reporter reporting that Danny Green also said that. So they both walked in just being like, damn, we were better than those guys.
We didn't lose that shit. Even though we lost in five games and got fucking curb stomped multiple times.
Yeah. I mean, we were told going into the playoffs that the Cavs would be the fun team that could go on a little run.

They weren't fun at all.

They weren't fun.

They were not fun at all.

If you're going to lose like that and you're going to be better,

at least be the more fun team.

Yeah, no.

Yeah, like the Kings could potentially lose,

and we'd be like, well, that was fun.

Yeah.

Cavs were just depressing and played shitty basketball.

Yep.

And now we have Tibbs versus Jimmy.

And New York is on fire for the Knicks.

It's going to be fun.

Are you going to go to any of the game, Shake?

When's game one?

Sunday afternoon.

In?

Here.

Here. Okay.

Yeah. If I go, I'll be using game time.

Last minute ticket's $20 off code PMT.

So we'll see.

But the tickets are pretty steep for Madison Square Garden.

Oh, man.

Team player.

I'm sure they're getting insane right now. Insane.
Yeah. All right.
Hockey playoffs. Hank, we only had – oh, no, we had two games.
So the Kraken are now up 3-2 on the Avs. So Ryan Whitney's a total fraud.
Yep. Big time.
And then the Bruins now have to go to game six back down to Florida. Yeah, it was a tough couple days over at the TD Bank North Garden.
So how are you feeling? Same way as the Celtics. I think if either of these games go to seven, then it's a scary, scary collapse situation that, you know, neither team should be in this situation.
O-Mark blacked out in overtime. You know, I'm not a goalie.
I'm not a hockey exes and those guys, but I don't know what he was doing, what he was thinking. I think he just blacked out.
I think he just forgot where he was, what his job was, that he was a goalie, not a player. And maybe he got colorblind, forgot who was on what team.
What's the opposite of standing on your head? Standing on your feet. He was standing on his feet out there.
He was standing on his feet. So we already know what happened in Celtics Hawks because we taped the beginning of the show after all that stuff.
But let's just pretend that the Celtics lost. They didn't.
Okay. That would be a tough day to wear that hat.
So you don't even want to pretend? No. The Celtics lost, I will be panicked, shooketh not not a happy camper okay what if you got what if both teams just got bounced in the first round you have to you have to give that hat to max yeah yeah meanwhile max is like so how we're taping the show today because the draft goes late we're taping this it's like six o'clock in the afternoon or evening uh and then we'll tape the whole show the beginning of the show after the draft after the cells and stuff so i keep saying we'll do all the draft stuff stuff later tonight and max just keeps chiming in on the group text being like also celtics hawks because some teams still are in the first round have you noticed those texts i have noticed those texts listen i i'm saving like i said i'm

not i'm put my focus back on beating the hawks so i'm not worried about max or philly but by the time you're listening to this i'll be i'll be i'll be ready to go right and you yeah by the time you're listening to this health is already won yeah yeah right so you're good celtics have won jason tatum over 25 and a half points al horford over 15 and a half points rebounds assist trey Young, no shimmies.

I'll be rich.

And why did you do that bet?

Because of the PMTV vet. Big Cat deleted footage last week cursing my bet.
We went to court. Judge Jerry was the judge and watched to figure out what happened.
Yeah, I would say the court hearing that we had, I think everyone lost. Becauseank and i quickly learned that we don't know anything about law how legal proceedings work we just we we both started the video just being like all right present your case and then i was like wait am i presenting mine and then we just ended it with us yelling over each other i i i've watched probably uh four to five hundred episodes of law and order all sorts of other cop TV shows growing up.
I still have no idea what it means when you do the objection, your honor. Oh, we were objecting each other back and forth.
And the judge says either overruled or sustained. I was no idea what the overrule or sustained means.
Listen, I was throwing erroneous out there. We were throwing objection.
We were saying like court of order and like all kinds of shit that made no sense uh but yeah hank and i are in a good spot now yeah yeah we are we did we settled it like men meaning i had to pay him a fee which is still i thought about it when i woke up this morning i was like wait why did i do that he owes me 280 000 in jinx bets false the court the court Let's not do it again objection objection on myself where there will be a brand new graphics package put together by our amazing behind the scenes team uh memes max chain and evan and can't wait to see that and the golf video is coming out friday no no no the graphics are getting announced are getting revealed uh thursday night so golf video? No, tonight's PMTV with the court. So if you're watching this on YouTube right now, you'll notice that it looks a little different.
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It's worth the wait. Okay.
Thursday. You love golf.
Yeah. The video's not for you.
Yeah. But it's funny.
Like good golf? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Like if you're, yeah.
Yeah. It's funny though.
Can't wait. Next Monday.
Next Monday. That is not what I said.
Next Thursday. I said next Thursday.
Oh, okay. Can we do an early drop? It'll be Thursday.
500,000 subscribers, right? Yep. Yeah.
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Okay. Got it.
So no chance, even if people ask nicely. It will be fair.
There's always a chance. There's always a chance if people ask nicely.
Sure. You know what? There's always a chance.
Yeah. At Philly Mays? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Underscore Mays? Philly underscore Mays. Yeah, sure.
Anyone who wants to talk some shit, come on over. All right.
Let's get to our interview. We've got Carson Palmer talking his career, draft night stuff, who he likes in the quarterback class.
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OK, we now welcome on recurring guest. Haven't seen him in a few years.
It is Carson Palmer, Heisman Trophy winner, three-time NFL Pro Bowler. He's here with Level Select, which we want to talk about.
But first of all, thank you for coming back in. Great to see you.
And it's perfect. We're going to run this on Friday.
So right after the right after the draft the first round okay this is your 20 20 year anniversary of being selected number one overall correct it's i like i i want to know from your perspective like tell us everything about your draft night because i feel like every sports fan on draft night lives that imagination of like man if i was one of these guys was it as cool as we think it is so it was it was amazing it was cool but it was different because I had agreed to a contract prior to the draft so I was excited to go to New York because everybody wants to go to New York that's not that doesn't get to live here and so I went to Cincinnati to sign the contract like on tuesday oh and then had a had a big press conference did that whole deal and then Wednesday flew from Ohio to New York and then I was in New York and I wasn't nervous I wasn't I'm in the green room I'm hanging out we had champagne going it was awesome everybody else in the room is stressed and doesn't know and so I I knew i felt great my family knew everybody knew that the news had come out and so we went out the night before had a fantastic night um i was hurting the next day of the draft because i didn't have to like you know sit you know on pins and cushions where am i going to live next year who's going to draft me i knew where i was going the phone call All that. And so, you know, this is back when Tagliaboo was a commissioner.
So Tagliaboo comes out and says, you know, welcome to the 2003 NFL draft. The Bengals are on the clock and turns around and walks.
And this is when it was at Radio City Music Hall. And the whole place starts booing because they all knew the Bengals were going to draft me.
They want to get to the number two pick and let's go you know but the production that the nfl does so tagley boo leaves and like the clock starts and there's like 10 minutes that go by and everybody in the eye and says like let's go let's get to number so they're booing and i'm kind of hurting from the night before and so i'm just like let's go let's let's get out there so finally then tagley boo comes back out but but the anticipation is something I missed to i missed out on yeah i was a little like no doubt i was blessed and happy and excited to be where i was but seeing the the unknown around the room and everybody else in the room you don't know you could be living in florida illinois you name it go and so i kind of was a little jealous of that like oh where am i where am I going to go? What's my new uniform? You know, all those what ifs. Yeah, the sliding door moment.
That's like the excitement. Like my life can be totally different if one pick goes a different way.
Totally. Everything could be different.
And so I missed out on that. But it was an amazing experience.
I mean, the funny part from the player's perspective is, you know, you know you're so excited you're celebrating you're high-fiving and then you come down to reality like oh i gotta go to plan and go to this city and prove myself to a new coaching staff a new fan base learn a new off like it's like the work is just getting really going everybody around you is like we made it and you're like no got it. Now I really got to work.
I worked my butt off to get here. And now I got to start all over.
This is a new business, a new game, new system, all these different things. So it is a little bittersweet, but it's great for your family because they're, they're hyped, they're partying, they're enjoying it.
And you're like, hold on, take a step back. I got to fly to wherever you're getting drafted to and really start the work then.
Did you get your first paycheck before the draft? Like, had that deposit hit yet? No. No, because you get a signing bonus.
But that doesn't, you know, the day you sign on the dotting line, it's not like all of a sudden you have money in your checking account. It takes some vetting and every lawyer's got to look at it.
And it takes a couple weeks before things get. So, dumb question.
And this is just how I would, like, if I was drafted in a pro sports league. I do think I would just start giving everyone money.
Did you do that at all? Like, not, like, tons of money. But, like, I'd give my, you know, best friends, like, hey, here's five grand.
Here, you know, mom and dad, here's, you's you know i just be handing out money for at least a little portion of time we celebrated we did go out that night of the draft and i had never been in a situation where i could like get a table right you know and then and then and i'd never been to a you know a really high play i've been to dive bars my whole life and so we're in New York, we go to this super foo-foo club and the dude comes out and all of a sudden all, you know, the bottles are coming out. And then for the first, I've never paid more than, you know, the most expensive thing I'd ever bought to that point was my rent, which was like 250 bucks a month.
And you're scraping by to make that happen in college. And then we go out the night of the draft, and I got like a $50,000 bill or whatever it was.
It was like mind-blowing. And then it was like, well, I can cut this.
I can put my credit card down, but this just doesn't. That's an unnerving feeling.
No matter what you're about to get, when you see a big bill come like that, it makes your heart skip a beat for sure the the first time yeah and you were the only rookie quarterback i don't know if that's still true to this day but the only person that was taken i want to say in the first round that didn't play a single snap your rookie year you didn't get on the field right i don't know if i was the only one i think there was um i'm trying to think who was i don't know did eli play he might have gotten in a little bit i think warner got hurt one of the he like hurt his hand or something but i i'm pretty sure that at least since you no other quarterback has has gone through their entire rookie year without playing a single snap in a game do you i'm sure at the time you wanted to get on the field and you were like let me you know let me see what i can do you want to compete all that stuff do you think because there's a lot of conversation about drafting guys and then letting them develop behind you know a cemented starter all that stuff do you think that actually not playing your rookie year was good for you in the long run or do you still look back and wish that you had gotten in it was good and bad it was good to get a chance to not get thrown to the wolves right away and get to kind of learn and i had a i had john kitten in front of me who was a phenomenal mentor did everything right showed me kind of laid the groundwork for me but i mean i i don't know i've been asked that question a million i don't know the right answer to each team to each player it's different the difference now mainly is the way that the contracts are are you know back in the day, I signed a seven-year deal with an eight-year option. Now, it's a four-year deal with a fifth-year option.
So back in the day, they had the ability from an organizational standpoint to do that because they didn't have to start thinking about my next contract until really year six or seven. Now, you've be ready to pay a guy or let him walk in year three.
So you don't have that opportunity to let him sit and develop. You need game film.
You need to see him in action. You need as much footage as you can before you make a decision and give him Jalen Hurts, $255 million.
Like you had all kinds of time to make that decision previously when you got seven years and that much footage to watch of a guy. Now, if you haven't made a decision in year three, this is our guy or this is not our guy, he's probably not your guy.
But you only really have three years, two and a half years worth of game footage to make that decision so really that that's that's what changed with the the most recent cba is when they changed those rookie that rookie paid scale went from seven years down to four years that accelerated the timeline we got to get this kid in there throw him in the fire let's see what he's got because we got to start getting ready to make that decision are we going to pay him 50 a year or not and and then also from a team building like we've seen it with jalen hurts good example like that window that you have a guy on a cheaper deal that's when you got a strike joe burrow perfect example where it's like you they're gonna have to pay joe burrow burrow a lot of money and it's gonna change the whole dynamic of the team well jalen's game's gonna change yeah because i mean he wasn't even on a top five pick Yeah, pick rookie deal. He was on a low.
I mean, that's as minimum wage as it gets in the quarterback world. So he had A.J.
Browns and Darius Slay at corner. I mean, there's some really good players in Philly that because of this new money that Jalen's got, he's not going to be surrounded by all the talent he's been surrounded by on offense, and special teams wise and then all of a sudden you know Philly Philly now that he's paid they got to the Super Bowl now they expect him to win it yeah and now Jalen has to win it and he's eating up 12 percent of the salary cap he was eating up 0.12 percent of the salary cap previously so there is a lot more on his shoulders obviously the expectation the pressure, but he's got to do a lot more to get a Super Bowl ring with less talent around him on both sides of the ball.
That's another dumb thing that I have, including like I would just give money to everyone, is that if I were a quarterback, I'd be like, you know what, I'll take like $100 million instead of $250 and just get really good players. That obviously isn't how it works.

But in my head, I'm like, would you rather not have to do it all?

I agree. I agree.

I was saying that before Dak Prescott got his big deal.

Because the thing about if you play for certain organizations,

if you play for the Dallas Cowboys, whatever you don't make on the field,

you can make up off the field on the mattress company that Dak is promoting like there is so much money to be made on the marketing side of things if you're the dallas cowboys quarterback i mean you look back to three years ago you had three dallas cowboys players on the number one teams in the booth you had aikman you had uh jason whitten and you had romo and if you play for the dallas cowboys and you trust that that um the jones family is going to make the right decisions, I think it's worth it to take a little less money on the field, have better players on the field, and open up even more doors if you win a Super Bowl off the field to making money marketing-wise in Dallas. Yeah, kind of a long-term play.
It's also tough to say, you know, $100 million is enough. I don't need the extra $150 million on top of that.
Well, you don't have to take that big of a paycheck. Yeah, that's a big paycheck.
You can also marry a billionaire model. That works, too.
Yeah, that's also a life hack that guys can do. And have great success financially with a little insight on some companies to buy into Warren Buffett's family member.
I want to marry Nancy Pelosi. That's my goal.
She's got it all figured out from a financial standpoint. Sounds awful.
Sounds like a terrible decision. So along those same lines, if you're a quarterback for the Cowboys, you do have all these opportunities.
You end up going to Cincinnati. Cincinnati, not a huge media market by any stretch of the imagination.
When you were playing football in college, it probably wasn't your dream to play on the Cincinnati Bengals one day, right? But it's still an awesome thing. You're the first overall pick.
That's a great moment. That's unbelievable.
Was there any just thing in the back of your head like, yeah, it's the Bengals, but it's going to be great, but it's also the Bengals yeah I mean I grew up in in Colorado you know watching the Broncos play in Southern California without a pro football team I didn't know a whole lot about the Bengals because they didn't play on Monday Night Football they didn't win a bunch of Super Bowls or ever really go to the playoffs so I just didn't know and and at that point in your life everybody's telling you the greatest thing in the world. I was young and dumb and said, I don't care how bad they are.
I'm going to go there and win a bunch of Super Bowls. So you're just young and dumb and you don't know what, what, you know, to not know.
And so I just didn't know what I was getting into. And I was excited about the opportunity, man.
I was an NFL dream is an NFL dream. It doesn't matter if it's the Miami Dolphins down in Florida or the Bengals the Browns in Ohio it's an NFL team and that excitement is enough to just playing in the NFL have an opportunity to play on national television every time you step on the field is a dream come true and it didn't matter if it was for the Bengals the browns or the la rams yeah and you guys ended up having an awesome offense i used to love watching you guys play uh ocho cinco yeah just an absolute legend just a completely unique individual i bet if i bet if you threw the ball at ocho cinco 20 times in the game i bet he'd be like why didn't you throw it to me 21 times no doubt no doubt man he was so good he was um back in the day I don't know if there was in my time I think the two most feared players were Chad because if you're a corner and you had to play him one-on-one it was an issue you just couldn't keep up he was fast he was quick he was explosive he was 6'1 with long arms so he was big he could stop stop on a dime but him and ladenian tomlinson yeah in their heyday were as feared as it gets and then you know on the other side of we had tj hushmanzada who was a first down machine he's a slot receiver that was unbelievable peter warwick was there when i first got there remember p dub back in the day his full state i mean he was awesome until he had that knee injury.
But we had good players. And one of the great ones, too, that I didn't get to play with that was there before I started playing was Corey Dillon.
Yeah. And he had a couple good years at the end in New England, got a Super Bowl ring.
So there was some offensive firepower in Cincy for sure. Great nickname, too.
Clock Killing Corey Dillon. Yeah.
Yeah, I love that. That was great.
Do you remember the time you drove with Chad Ochocinco to Indianapolis to watch Peyton play? They made a big deal of that. You guys sat in the last row? No, no, no.
You guys sat in the last row? No, no, no. We got tickets from Edger and James.
He hooked us up in the family section. It was a cool story.
You guys were like, hey, we want to go watch how Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison play. Yeah, we went to watch, you know, because Chad and I were having a lot of success on the field, but then we'd come off the field and he'd be, dude, I'm wide open.
And I'd go look at the picture. I'd be like, there's 19 guys covering you.
And so we went down there to see what those guys were doing when the defense was on the field. What was Peyton doing Peyton sitting by himself was he looking at pictures what was Marvin doing was Marvin goofing off like Chad was and so we went to learn we saw them communicate they literally talked every series after and it was never Marvin going over to Peyton it was Peyton coming over to Marvin and Reggie and so that was just something we implemented we saw what they were the field, obviously, but you don't get to see what they're doing when they're getting Gatorade in between series.
And seeing that constant dialogue and talking about this, talking through that, that was something that helped Chad and I get even more on the same page. That's really cool.
I didn't know that was like the, basically it was to not even watch the game. It was to watch what they're, how they're acting on the sidelines.
We can watch the game the next day on the coach's cut up yeah but we wanted to see what was going on what kind of communication was it once a quarter was it you know it was every series they they went three and out there's three runs they would come over and talk about something because they're always all right we ran the ball three times here's the run action we gave them we're going to hit them with the play action post or the play action corner whatever it was they were getting ready it looked like they like they were getting ready for that next series, and that's something that Chad and I implemented into our games. I have one more Chad Otracinco question that will conclude the Chad Otracinco portion of this interview.
I could talk about Chad all day. Yeah, I mean, he's a fascinating guy.
I remember he was getting really into the celebrations for a couple years. They were getting more and more intricate as time went on.
If Roger Goodell was the commissioner when he first started getting into him, because I don't think that he was, or it was before he really laid down the law, Chad would have been fined every single game for everything that he did. But there was one in particular.
I don't know if you have any insight into this one, if he talked about his celebrations and planned them out with you guys. But at one point he said that he had a live deer that he had trapped in his garage that he was going to bring out, uh,

because it was around Christmas time.

And so he was going to use the live deer as a prop,

like a Santa reindeer in his celebration.

We scored a touchdown that he scores a touchdown and he starts looking around

for the deer and it's not there. It's not at the, at the game.

Did he actually have a live deer that he had, he had corralled somehow?

Yeah. For the the for the sake

of that story continuing to live on yes yeah it was it was a real live reindeer it was underneath section b in the stadium and the guy that was hired to let the the deer out of the gate or the cage he failed yeah but that that's a great story all of his celebrations were great and I never heard about him.

I always saw him doing something. That's a great story.
All of his celebrations were great, and I never heard about him.

I always saw him doing something.

He put on a Hall of Fame jacket one time.

He had a Velcro Ocho Cinco put onto his jersey one time.

I thought one of his best celebrations, because I was always trying to get Chad to play golf,

and he never would play golf.

I thought, you're crazy. Something great to do.
It takes your mind off of whatever else you're doing. It's a great thing to be doing when you're not at the facility.
And then he busted out. We were in Chicago against your Bears, and I think he had like maybe three touchdowns that game.
And one of the touchdowns, he did a Tiger Woods. He putted with the pylon.
yes and i was like chad finally you brought and i love golf so he finally brought some golf into the into the celebrations i thought that one was one of his best what do you shoot these days uh i'm like a i'm i'm like a high 70s i mean that's the way you presented that was rude because i thought you were going to say like low 90s. You're like, I'm like a high 70s fucking phenomenal.
Thank you. You wouldn't expect I'd be a decent guy? No, I think you would be.
But the way you were, like, leading into it, I was like, he's going to say high 80s, low 90s. No, no, no.
I mean, you're basically a scratch golfer. Well, I should be a scratch golfer, and I'm not.
I should be right around 72, 73, but it's like one or two round that i just i just flare one off the right and i'm dropping and i'm just trying to save double bogey it must be so much fun they're the killers 70s though it is but just like the best game ever if you're good at it it is a great game if you can consistently put a good square club face on the golf ball yeah there's no there's a few feelings that are like that and they're hard to come by yeah yeah um all right so let's talk about this year's draft uh so you i gotta give you credit last time we had you on was five years ago you said josh allen highest upside so you called that okay you nailed that do you have a favorite in this year's draft also is your brother working with everyone is he working with every quarterback every single one i think there's like 19 I feel like he works with every quarterback even the guys that don't get drafted um no I think I think it's an interesting year I think Bryce is going to go number one probably to Carolina he's got some concerns he's not a big human being um and I know there's been some success of guys that are 5'10 to 6'1 and sub 2'10. He's definitely in that range, and that is a concern.
If he had Will Levis' body, it'd be like Dundeele. Right, like he's a once-in-a-generation guy.
Yeah, there's enough question marks around Will. There's enough question marks around Richardson.
Hendon in Tennessee, there's enough question marks around Will. There's enough question marks around Richardson.
Hendon, you know, Hendon in Tennessee. There's enough question marks around him.
There just isn't that guy that you go, he's it. And when you see this kind of clustering of quarterbacks that, you know, Bryce has got the best film.
Will's got the best, you know, Richardson and Will have the best physique and body style, but the film isn't wearing it. Stroud played the best game against Georgia.
Played great against Georgia, and all of a sudden was super athletic and moving around like you hadn't seen him all career. I just feel like this is that perfect storm to set up for a bunch of guys that are going to get overdrafted.
There's going to be probably two or three guys go in the top seven picks, maybe ten picks, and we're going to look back and go, man, he was a project. They knew it going into it.
They knew he needed more time on tat. He should have been 26th or 38th.
But there's going to be some guys in the top ten that are going to be overdrafted. And I think at the end of the day, if you're Carolina, you want a guy that's going to play week one, and the guy that's most ready to play in week one is Bryce.

But he's also got the lowest ceiling because he's been coached by the best of the best at Alabama.

He's got tons of repetitions, played against the best,

played against probably all first and second round pick team on defense at Alabama,

all those off-season workouts, and during the season playing against him every day in practice. There's not a ton of upside like there was with Josh five years ago.
You're getting a finished product. He doesn't need to be coached a ton.
He doesn't need to be taught a ton. He needs to learn that system, but you're seeing the peak of his game playing in the SEC where these other quarterbacks, you haven't seen Richardson reach his peak yet.

Probably Will Levis is the same, but as far as being the most ready to step in week one, it's Bryce. So along those lines, and I know I think a lot of, you know, from our perspective, we're fans.

We hear the same cliches like the windows are smaller.

The game goes faster.

What is the one thing, the transition from college to NFL, that these quarterbacks are going to have to face that doesn't get talked about a lot? Well, the duration of the season. I mean, 17 games, that's two college football seasons, if not more.
Because each one of those hits in your 12 college football games, is that's two that's two college football seasons if not more because each one of those hits in your 12 college football games that guy's coming at you probably at you know a little bit faster he probably weighs 10 10 to 15 pounds more so the impact your body takes it's taking now that those same impacts and double up those impacts because you're not just playing 10 11 12 games you games. You're playing 17 plus the two in the preseason, hopefully then a couple more in the playoffs.
So just that year, I mean, especially these guys. These guys went, you know, Bryce played in the college football playoffs, then started training for the draft.
Well, no, then he started training for the combine, went through the combine, was traveling all over the country, doing all these visits, going to all these different events, lifting, running. Boom, here comes the draft.
He goes right from the draft to his city press. Like, it's just a never-ending season.
And then training camp hits in late July. And then, really, the season starts.
They haven't had a mental, emotional break. They've had a little bit of a physical break.
But now, you know, they're going into a whole new level. As safe as they've made the game for the quarterback, it is a physical endurance test getting from the beginning of training camp in July all the way until the end of December and into January.
You're playing a lot more football. getting hit a lot more by a lot bigger faster stronger guys that's a great answer yeah we were talking to Daniel Jeremiah from NFL Network earlier and he was talking about how quarterbacks are more protected at the NFL level than they are in college now obviously like you said you play more games so there's there's gonna be more wear and tear did you notice a difference coming from college to the NFL and this was obviously before the NFL really started protecting quarterbacks when you were playing um was there any noticeable difference where you weren't getting hit late as much you weren't getting roughed there was an element in college where boys will be boys let them finish the play that sort of thing yeah I mean think now in today's game, there's a drastic difference between the protection that the quarterback gets in college compared to the NFL.
I mean, every time the quarterback gets touched in the NFL, like the camera doesn't even care where the ball went and if he's in the end zone or not. They're seeing what happened to the quarterback.
That's a drastic difference. But, man, when I first got in the league, it was not that way.
Do you guys remember Sean Big Baby Rogers? Yes. Remember how big that dude was? Yes.
He played for Cleveland, and we were playing against them at the end of the year. And I ended up on the ground, and he kind of got pushed but purposely fell onto me and sat on me.
He fell. His butt landed on on my chest and it was the last game of the season

and he dislocated my sternum from my rib cage that doesn't sound so I was on my back and big baby lands on me and I felt like my my the top of my chest touched my spine and so oh my god and I watched it afterwards and it happened like eight seconds after the play I on the ground. There was still somebody, and he just comes falling and lumbering and just puts all 300 and whatever right on my chest.
And now, if that happened, he's fined. Arrested.
15-yard penalty and probably put in jail. But back in the day, it just happened all the time.
Like, you'd be on the ground, and I learned from that. It was one of my first couple years.
I learned from that that I don't care if the whistle's blown.

You're always protecting.

You know, you put your hand down and somebody steps,

300-pounder steps on your hand and breaks your fingers.

That can happen easy.

And you used to always do that after the play.

Now people are scared to death.

You see during the play, they haven't even blown the whistle yet.

There's guys hitting the quarterback with their hands up.

Yeah.

It wasn't like that.

Yeah.

It wasn't like that. We saw with Tua, he's training with a jujitsu guy in the offseason to learn how to fall correctly how to fall without getting himself injured did you have to figure out like how to get tackled to minimize the impact I think if you're trying to figure out how to fall correctly at 24 in year three in the NFL that's a problem yeah you you learn You learn how to absorb hits in junior high and high school.
If you're trying to figure it out and trying to perfect that part of the game in year two, three, four in the NFL, you're probably going to be getting hurt a lot. That's something.
You learn that. You just need repetitions.
The quarterback position is just time on task. How many repetitions repetitions can I get in games in practices and in those games you learn how to absorb if I'm falling down to the right I'll always use my left hand to absorb some of the blow so it all doesn't go on my ac joint of my throwing shoulder that's not something you want to try to be learned during your NFL days you want to learn that in high school that's a good point because if you're a quarterback that's learning and trying to apply this new skill, you don't want your quarterback consciously thinking to himself during plays, how am I going to fall right now? No.
That's something that you need to have subconsciously already built into your system. That's a skill you already want built up and perfected by the time you're leaving college.
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Anytime you could get Ed one-on-one, which rarely happened, that was a good situation to be on offense. He was not a cover corner guy.
He sat in the middle of the field better than anybody I ever played against or anybody I saw and just let the play unfold and took chances and would beeline to the curl or beeline to the flat and make play on the ball. Where Troy was down there, you didn't know if Troy was blitzing.
You didn't know if he was going to cover. You didn't know if he was going to do that thing where he would take a couple steps back, like he was dropping into coverage.
And he could get to 4-2 speed in three steps. So he could be five yards away from the line of scrimmage, and within two seconds, he's in your lap, and he just had that ability, but for two players that played the same position, they played them so differently, and I mean, Troy from the run game, we had weeks where we were playing the Steelers.
If Troy was on the right, and the play was called to the right, I had at the line of scrimmage to change it to the left, which that doesn't, you don't rarely have a guy that takes over the run game and and then you're letting the defense know by the third quarter hey they're just running it away from troy right we know they're going to do that and they're going to keep doing it because that's the best situation for them to be in yeah where ed you never thought about in the run game but man every play in the past game i knew where he was and i would get the ball whether i was under center or in shotgun and in my head every play I was like okay I got to set Ed Reed up. I got to set Ed up.
I got to look right quick come back to my left real quick and then come back to the right and then the next time I do that if we are running a similar play I got to do the exact opposite because he's going to be breaking all of it down. I mean he was unbelievable.
He was brilliant. Another guy that could close close fast i mean he could be in a full backfettle and in two seconds he was running full speed forwards i mean just incredibly explosive those are two great answers i was i was hoping that you would also say sean taylor in there because there's one play in particular i remember that sean picked you off and he came out of nowhere and the camera zoomed in on your face right afterwards yeah and you go like that motherfucker it was it was a perfect moment because he came out of nowhere but yeah i don't think that you'll find anybody arguing against ed reed and troy troy was he your roommate in college troy was a roommate yeah that's fucked up that you had to play against him in the nfl and you're like come on man like you sold me 50 bucks in madden yeah yeah no i had to play against him every day in practice and he was a problem in practice and then of course he gets drafted to the same same division same conference would he ever say anything to you after a big hit not a word not like hey roommates no he um in fact my first game starting we were in pittsburgh it was a two minute drill at the end of a game and he was playing he would come in they would take him out of playing deep have safety in two minutes just because it's like why put Troy back there let's get him somewhere closer to the football and they put him at a linebacker position where he could drop on on receivers that are running shallow crosses like they do in two-minute situations or or a lot of guys are checking the ball down to running backs,

and he would blow them up and not let the running backs get out of bounds.

So the clock would keep going.

And so anyways, it's my first game.

We're at Pittsburgh.

We're starting a drive, and I throw a ball, gets tipped to the line of scrimmage.

Sure enough, Troy picks me off for the first time in our NFL careers,

and I start backpedaling, and I'm looking for him,

and I can't find him because he's not a 6'5 safety.

He's like a 5'8 safety.

And I don't see him, and all of a sudden,

I'm backing up, I'm damn near on the goal line,

my own goal line, and I see through,

all of a sudden these jerseys spread out,

and here comes Troy, and he's coming right at me,

and he lowers his head and puts it right on my AC joint, on the goal line, and ran me over for a touchdown. And my shoulder has never been the same, and that was my first year playing in the National Football League.
I'm still feeling Troy. No, he never said anything.
Damn. He was too nice.
And then it made you mad because you're like, damn it, Troy. And he comes up, he's like, hey he's hey how's the family Troy dude I can't even I can't move my arm I'm watching the highlight right now and uh yeah I'm waiting for you to get hit this sucks to know that it's coming it's coming this is so funny he was so god damn good he was so good in the hair and everything yeah he just pulled you well you kind of went for him yeah i had to yeah yeah i had to on the goal line i know you could have made a business decision i could have yeah i was too young he was basically in there yeah yeah um is you usc back yeah usc's back do you guys have like a quarterbacks like text chain like all the over the years and like add kill williams being like hey buddy no it's um we've got a text chain but it's not all quarterbacks it's all all positions okay but proud Trojans yeah proud Trojans I mean Caleb is incredible so much fun to watch he'd be the first pick in this year's draft yeah could come out yeah without like talking like there's not a clear cut if he was in this draft it would be Caleb Williams and then everybody else that good.
Yeah, he's phenomenal. Who would you say is the best? The best USC quarterback of, let's say, going back to you? The best to come out since me? Yeah.
You can include yourself, too. Oh, well, I'd take me.
Okay, yeah, good answer. Good answer.
There's been some good draft picks, though. Yeah.
There weren't for a long time. But, I mean, Sanchez, Leinert, Matt Castle.
He wasn't a draft pick, but he was a quarterback at SC. Did John David Booty get drafted? He might have.
Booty was a good player. Great name.
Great name. Good player.
There's been some good quarterbacks at SC. i think now that caleb you know that success the fact that lincoln's there the fact that lincoln everywhere he goes he coaches a guy that wins a heisman there i think sc is going to continuously get the top one two and three quarterbacks yeah out of each high school class how awesome was it just being like a heisman winning quarterback on campus at USC.
It was good.

Yeah.

It was good.

I bet it was.

It was good.

Those were the days.

Yeah.

That's a long time ago.

Besides the fact that there was no name, image, and likeness back then.

You were cleaned up.

Oh, man.

USC definitely never paid any of their players under the table.

I never got paid.

Oh, really?

I would live Troy and I lived

In a four bedroom

House in the hood

On the wrong side

Of

On the wrong side

Of Adam's

Thank you. I never got paid.
Oh, really? Troy and I lived in a four-bedroom house in the hood on the wrong side of Adams Boulevard. We had rats, spiders.
There was a four-bedroom house. There was eight dudes in there, and we were paying a majority of our stipend because rent's expensive in California and L.A.
But now, man, Caleb is living. Living the life.
Must be nice. I mean, it's got to be good.
Yeah. He's probably living like over there by Staples Center in one of those high rises.
I feel like being a USC quarterback who is, you know, obviously big man on campus, that's probably the coolest situation you can be in in college football. It's pretty good.
I mean, I obviously can't compare't compare it to being in you know Baton Rouge where you it's like LSU and only LSU or Tuscaloosa where it's just that's all you got there's a ton of Oregon grads there's a ton of UCLA grads but USC being having that tradition playing at the Coliseum all the national championships all the Hall of Famers that have come out of that program it's pretty good in la and now you've got if you're a quarterback you got you're playing for lincoln i mean he gets you he's gonna get you 25 touchdowns you probably have to throw another 20 on your own but he's gonna get you 20 of them screens dumping the ball i could throw 20 touchdowns you could throw 20 in the system but man now i mean you've got history. You've got tradition.
You're going, and now I can't wait. I mean, going to the big house, going to the shoot.
Yeah, you're Big Ten now. Ohio State coming to L.A.
You guys play pussy football. The U.S.
is going to get just run over. We'll find out.
You're going to have to go to Piscataway in New Jersey in, like, late November. Oh, yeah.
Sean was licking his chops. Oh, man.
Yeah. That's not going to fly.
That's a lose-lose game, right? Yeah. But you should win.
Oh, yeah. But you could lose.
Oh, listen. It's just a lose-lose.
There's a few of those in the Big Ten schedule where it's like, if you lose to Rutgers, it's very embarrassing. But every now and then, they kind of pop up.
Rutgers, they're salty. Yeah.
They're good on defense. They run the ball.
They're physical. There are some games in the Big Ten you don't want on your schedule but they're going to be on your schedule but i mean i can't sc ohio ohio state sc michigan sc penn state like you can throw in wisconsin wisconsin yeah big house i mean ball down your fucking throat yeah but you can't throw it uh actually we have uh drake may's old offensive coordinator now Phil Longo.
You sound like a media guy right there. Yeah, so we have a coach that coached another good guy.
We're going to run some pretty crazy offense. That just runs the football every play? Well, and then every now and then when you're not thinking, pass.
All right, so you're going to run the ball. So Wisconsin, you're going to run the ball for 260 yards and score 17 points.
No, no, no. Caleb Williams is going to throw the ball.
You forgot about the pass. Okay, and one pass for 17 yards.
Caleb Williams is going to throw for 480 and six touchdowns. And no, he's going to throw for one touchdown and five interceptions in the red zone.
It's going to be great. There will be a game where Iowa beats USC like 7-3.
Yeah. There's going to be some ugly Big Ten football.
Wet, soggy field. Yeah.
33 degrees, like just cold enough where the ball's wet. Everybody's tired.
It's just one of those sloppy Big Ten football. There's going to be some of those.
Do you ever – I have a couple last questions. So your brother Jordan, who's been on this show as well, he is coaching a bunch of these quarterbacks.
And he's made a really good career for himself. I see him all the time, like, in media and everything.
But are you ever like, hey, man, I was so much better than you. Like, I – this is crazy.
You check him? I would check him being like, you coach these quarterbacks, but if I wanted to, I could coach him better. Well, I don't want to.
And I can't – that that's a misnomer just because you played doesn't mean you can coach it and make it relatable to the next player but you could do it better than your brother no yeah he's a phenomenal coach because he coaches my i have a 14 year old up and coming quarterback oh i'm not coaching him no oh i can't just because you can play doesn't mean you can like everybody assumes, Tiger Woods would be the best golf coach in the world. He's probably a terrible golf coach.
Yeah. He probably looks at everything.
Charlie Woods is pretty good. Charlie Woods is awesome.
He's pretty good. He's next up.
He's got a gift. No, he's next up.
No, no. Charlie's put in a lot of work.
He's next up. He's put in a lot of work.
Yeah. But you could put any coach that is halfway decent with Charlie, and he'd probably be pretty good.
Okay. Yeah.
No, I agree with that. We found out that Charlie Woods listens to the show, so we just, anytime his name comes up.
Shout out, Charlie. Charlie, dude.
Shout out, Charlie. We'll be your uncles if you want.
I can't wait. It looks like Tiger, it looks like we can't really root for Tiger.
I mean, he's my favorite golfer ever, but I love the fact that there's another Woods coming up and I get to watch him. Yeah, my favorite golfer ever is Charlie Woods.
For sure.

Yeah, he hasn't done anything. You're on the bandwagon early.

Oh, yeah.

Some may say a little too early.

No, it's never too early.

Like 14 years old.

We're just gassing him up.

It's never too early.

That's what bros do.

Gassing our boys up.

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I love it.

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You live like, I would assume you obviously live in a town of people, but is it just the best to be away from all the noise in the world and just all the shit that's going on right now? It's a safe haven. Yeah.
I mean, with all the stuff that's happening in big cities and politically, everything that's happening elsewhere, you don't feel it in a smaller town in a smaller and i'm up in the mountains in the middle of nowhere

and people mind their own business people like i had a lady come up to me like oh you're you

played football and this is like in april and she's like when's your next game it's april and

i retired four years ago she's like oh that's so fun football you know people don't that's great live and breathe and diet you know it's you know i when i first moved there i didn't have direct tv installed yet and i was asking something like you know saturday i want to go watch college football like what what bars have tvs like there's no sports bars here people are fishing they're hunting they're skiing they're out camping they're the people don't go to the bar and watch games yeah which is really cool that is if you're if you're a former pro athlete and you're looking to like raise your kids around some normalcy and not sign autographs and take pictures at dinner yeah it's been really great for our family and and i don't like people in general so i like being out in the middle of nowhere and having my own space that's awesome i think that we all like aspire to be like yeah yeah but come on also at the end of the day if i found out they didn't have college football or nfl i figured that part out okay come up i got a great place to watch games that is like my i have I have like anxiety when my wife's like, oh, we should go to like Japan. I'm like, but they don't have sports.
Yeah. How am I going to watch the sports for that week of vacation? So, yeah.
As long as you have – you promise you have football. I've got college, pro.
Yeah, I've got it all. XFL? You could probably find that.
Okay. Yeah.
Good. My last, last question.
Can you just tell us a cool Bruce Arian story? Because he's the man, and I'm sure that he put the full court press on you to recruit you or sat down, had a couple cocktails with you. Oh, yeah.
Just like any experience you've had with Bruce that stands out. You know what my biggest regret with Bruce is? Is in all of the times I spent, the hours and hours I spent in the film room watching film when it was him in the back of the room with the clicker and then all of the offensive skill position players and I was sitting there with my notebook I wish I would have kept a separate notebook to just write down the names he called people yeah I mean he'd be mother effing a dude and call him some some string of foul language that you'd never heard of before in that chronologic, like the way he would say it.
And some guy is getting threatened to be cut and I just couldn't hold, I would just start laughing. And then a couple other people would feel comfortable to laugh because he would like call you a chicken fucker or just something.
And he't trying to be funny he was so mad that you lined up in the incorrect spot and he was going to take advantage of letting you know in front of your peers and he just couldn't he would he would string together a new name to call somebody and I wish I would have yeah because I would have this database of all these awesome names that I just thought oh I'll never forget that one so I wouldn't write it down but I wish I would have sat down would have this database of all these awesome names that I just thought, oh, I'll never forget that one, so I wouldn't write it down. But I wish I would have sat down there and wrote down all those names.
And his players seem to love him for the most part. I'm sure there are some players that don't like him that end up on the cutting side of things.
Yeah. But how does he develop that relationship where he's calling you a motherfucker and screaming at you and pointing out your mistakes for the team, but then you're like,'s bruce i love that guy yeah it's not for everybody for sure um you either can take it or you can't i mean at the end of the day it's you know your ego's too big where it just frustrates you and you storm out of the room or have a instant you know a conversation with him that probably gets you cut um but at the end of the day, even if you're being called, you know, something, you know, a name that makes you feel lower than low, even if he's embarrassing you in front of the media or in front of your teammates, at the end of the day, if the guy's right and you're incorrect, it kind of just is okay.
Because he wouldn't do it unless you screwed up. He wouldn't do it just because he felt like taking a shot at somebody.
He would do it when you lined up two yards outside the numbers and you were supposed to be three yards inside the numbers. Or you went in short motion at half speed and you were supposed to go in short motion at full speed.
So when you're getting MF'd up and down and berated and you're wrong, in the NFL locker room, it's okay. If he's wrong and he doesn't admit and say, hey, my bad, I yelled at you on the field, but now I'm watching this on the film and you ran a curl and I thought you ran a corner.
But he was never wrong. So he got on you, he was hard on you, but it's because you deserved it, so it was okay.

It didn't linger in guys.

It didn't fester in guys and become a bigger issue later.

I would just love to see him call Tom Brady a dumb motherfucker in the film room

and just see how that relationship went.

100%.

No, he's done it tons of times, and dumb motherfucker is the best of the guys.

The best of the guys he can call you.

Yeah, he's complimenting you.

Yeah.

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He's really putting himself out there. Oh, buddy.
Hank. I like the confidence.
Speaking of failures, though, we talked about it on the show, our uh pickup basketball league came to an end last night we failed it wasn't a failure it was a failure it wasn't a failure i did have my highest scoring performance i played my best game so that felt good finally cracked double digits three threes 11 points no i think i had 15 oh shit i I was doing it all. But we lost by four.
We were playing a team with a Spanish-speaking mom who was doing the scoreboard, just screaming at the team the whole time, like a helicopter mom, just going nuts. I love it.
She was also doing the scoreboard, and usually— Oh, was she cheating? I don't know. She was adding points? It was a little weird.
Yeah, if there was game film to review, I think there was a couple points, dude, now that might have missed, but that's all right. All of a sudden, the game got stopped and then mysteriously restarted, and they had 12 more points.
Yeah. It's election night all over again.
So that was a failure. And then my Apple Watch is broken.
So it's just yesterday it said I had 5,000 steps, or I burned 5,000 calories. I was like like, damn, I went hard.
Like I'm really, really killing it. And then I woke up today and it said I already burned 3,000 calories.
So I think it's just running. I don't know what's going on, but it's broken.
So it just gave me a false sense of confidence and like feeling good. I was like, oh, I crushed it today.
Were you wearing it during the game? No. Oh.
And it just has been burning calories for me in my sleep and just the entire day hank which hand do you wear your your watch on my right hand on your right interesting is there anything that you could do with your right hand that might inflate the number of steps that you were maybe taking there is yeah but i don't wear when i sleep or yeah you take your apple watch off to jerk off? No. Well, then mystery solved.
Yeah, maybe that's it. You're really active.
Yeah, I thought, yeah. I was like, damn, I crushed it yesterday.
Then I woke up today. I was like, 3,000 calories burned already.
I was like, oh, it's broken. I'm sorry.
All right. PFT? My fire fest is that I've been using, so I moved my mom into her new place over the course of the last week.
And so I've been zooming in this week.

And we've been recording part of my take.

Parts of it remotely, which I'm sure you guys have noticed if you've been watching the YouTube.

And the Wi-Fi upload speed has been pretty slow.

I've been having to keep my computer on for about five minutes after we're done recording

to make sure that it all gets uploaded in time. Because she doesn't have Wi-Fi yet.
We're trying to get that set up. So I've been using free Wi-Fi for the past several days and I've been using this Wi-Fi from one of her new neighbors in her senior living facility.
Pirating. I've been pirating Wi-Fi from an elderly person.
I've been stealing Wi-Fi from an old person, basically, for the last week. And it's been slow, but it's been getting the job done.
And I mentioned that to the guys after we were done recording last time. And then I started to feel very guilty about it because I realized that I was...
It's literally stealing candy from me. We also were like, all of us were like, damn, you should have said that on the show.
Yeah. Yeah, so I'm saying on the show now.
So I don't have my own Wi-Fi yet, but I'm working on getting Wi-Fi set up at a place so that when I am down there, I can record the show and everything will be smooth. But in the meantime, I'm sorry to whoever lives on the sixth floor in an adjoining room.
You're probably not using your Wi-Fi. You're a Wi-Fi pirate.
I'm a pirate. I'm a pirate.
You're a pirate. I've always wanted to be a pirate.
Yeah, you're a pirate. That's pretty cool.
You're a bona fide pirate. Sailing the high seas of the senior living facility.
All right. My Fire Fest is...
So, Mincy, everyone knows him from Wake Up Mincy, the hit show, who sponsors... Well, we have sponsorship on Wake Up Mincy.
He's a paid spokesperson. Yeah, Stella Blue Coffee and Pardon Pardon My Cheese Steak I made a bet with him about a month ago that he can't run a 10k under an hour and I said that if he does it I will donate $10,000 to charity he did it and what I realized is Jake write this down don't ever do this again you tell someone, when you make someone a bet for charity that they can't do something and then they do it, you become the ultimate loser because not only do people like, ha-ha, you were wrong, then they also don't say, like, good job on the charity.
Yeah, you get no credit. No credit at all.
And also he, like, kind of weaseled and got me up to $12,000. But I donated it and like everyone was like you're an idiot for doubting him and I was like wait but I just donated money to charity so you don't get anything except the kids got something they got the money but Jake don't tell me never to do that again I had the theory that you can bet someone donate to charity no no bet someone and my theory was working for a while it was like i can bet him to do this he won't do it and then like i i look like a hero for saying i would have donated charity yeah well he did it i had to donate which i'm happy to do but i also was getting like dragged for doubting him but also if he if he runs it the second time and he doesn't accomplish it, then- I still have to do it.
You still have to do it because otherwise, how many kids out there could- You would have killed kids. Right.
I'd rather just give to charity and not also become a loser doing so. I have an idea.
What? Next time, say it was 10K, you should say originally you're going to do five. You know what? I'll double it.
I'll give 10. So you look like a good guy for doubling what you originally said you were going to do.
Yes. Yes.
Matching my match. Yeah.
That's smart. Yeah, that is smart.
Or you can say, here's 5K, and if you do it, I'll do the other 5K. But then that gets in the same spot where people are like.
And then you hope that he doesn't do it, so you're like, here's the $5,000. Yeah.
Yeah. I ended up being a loser.
I was loser i was a loser i was getting dragged online and i i i should have been applauded and you know good for you thank you billy for you should have been a parade in the streets not that i'm looking for one i donated anonymously so no one knows who donated yeah i i did the same i actually told in my description when he first ran it i gave him five thousand dollars and i wrote my name down as anonymous but then they you know you have to get the email on there right so i put the email in and then mincey texted me he's like thank you so much i was like very cool just make sure that you don't tell anybody that it was me that did it mincey takes a screenshot all of a sudden the whole thing the world knows and then i'm embarrassed because i i gave five thousand dollars and you hadn't given anything yeah i know giving charity rocks it feels great when you give to charity so i got that feeling of feeling great giving to charity like rob because everyone's like you're a loser yeah i actually as a matter of fact i i can't believe i just said out loud that i gave five thousand dollars can you delete that part where i admitted to accidentally donating five thousand dollars we'll cut that cut that. No problem.
All right, Billy. So I got home the other night.
We were recording late one night. I forget which day.
So then I went in, turned my AC on. Weren't we recording late one night last week? Yeah, and you forgot which day? Yeah.
Anyway. What does that mean? Was it Sunday? Yeah, it was Sunday.
I don't know. i don't know your life i don't know your story we got home late on sunday right and i go to turn on my ac and then i go to sleep and then i wake up and the air smells like sweet yeah and i was like what the fuck like why is the air smell sweet and like i i thought like am i using new like uh detergent or something and then oh we remember the last time that happened yeah yeah i know then i'm like you look like you got hit by a shovel that was the shovel was covered we're not out of the woods we're not out of the woods it wasn't detergent on that uh and then literally a guy with a shovel bees all over the shovel you just kept on whacking you in the face as the bees once this airs, I mean, anyway.
And they just injected a bunch of salt so you're really puffy too. Yeah.
So I was smelling the air. I was like, it smells like laughing gas.
Oh. It's like, what the fuck? The Joker was around your house? No, I was like, is someone trying to incapacitate me and kidnap me or some shit? Yeah, of course.
And I got paranoid. A normal thought.
I was like, what the fuck? Who's gassing me in my own house? I realized that my AC was leaking Freon. Oh.
Okay, yeah. Yeah.
So if you have an old AC unit and you start smelling sweet air, it could kill you. Okay.
So just like. So wait.
It actually can't kill you. I think it could just make you sick.
So let me get this straight. We'll go back to fact check that later you you smelled something weird and your brain immediately went to someone is trying to gas me well it's no it smells like laughing gas yeah you're not paranoid it's just the whole world's out to get you but well when you have when you fire off the takes that Billy fires off it's like that movie conspiracy theory with Mel Gibson like one of Billy's theories is bound to be correct and so there's just a list of potential suspects that you've angered billy's like the cia finally found my address no he's probably like jose canseco hacked into my air conditioning unit yeah uh also uh lancaster pa is a great town to go to college in there's a lot of young people latinas uh yeah like you're looking, if you're like a young football player,

Lancaster PA would be a great place

to play college football.

If there's any colleges there,

maybe check them out.

Recruiting.

It's definitely a lot of cool places.

What's going on right now?

I don't know.

I got in trouble for another thing.

What?

What?

What?

What?

Nothing.

That was just an open endorsement

of Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

Don't bring your girlfriend there, though. Yeah, don't bring your girlfriend there.
She gone. Go find Nadu, and he'll take you to the place.
Yeah. Okay.
I don't know. These are my favorite Billy moments where it's like an inside joke just with his brain.
And if there's offensive lineman coach there, he's really cool. Okay.
Really, really cool. What school, hypothetically? What did you do? Nothing.
It's fine. You can move on.
All right. What colleges are in Lancaster? A bunch of them.
Such as? Like story D3 football programs. And what did you do to the coach? Did you say he was a pedophile? What did you do? Nope.
Nothing. He's a really cool guy.
Yeah. Franklin and Marshall, Elizabethtown.
Is that in Lancaster? Yeah, Pennsylvania College of Health and Science. Just a really great program.
What did you do at the university? Just tell us what you did. Let's say you're a college football coach.
You want to recruit kids to Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Yeah.
It's a really cool place. What did you do? All right, show of hands out there, anybody that's listening, I'm going to cut Billy off from this story because it's's another classic Billy story where it's not going to resolve anything and he's just going to talk himself into more trouble.
But just show of hands. If you understand what Billy's getting at, just reply to us.
I get it. If you don't get it, just reply.
I don't understand what Billy's talking about. We'll see.
There's probably five people out there that get this. One of them being the coach probably.
Yeah. And that's probably it.
I got him a little in trouble at his job. What did you do? He's my friend.
And what did you do? I made Land Cancer Pennsylvania sound bad. Did you just call it Land Cancer? You just made it worse.
It is bad. Anyway, it's a really great program.
Okay. And Latinas.
Good fire fest, Billy. Yeah.
Don't forget the

Latinas.

What are you talking about with

Latinas?

Dude's like, Lancaster PA's got the best

Latinas.

I don't have time. It's like, really?

In the middle of Pennsylvania? Sure.

I feel bad about this one.

Yesterday I went to the park to play pick a pickleball That's tough to say It's scary Did you bring protection? Just in case Like the Rucker Park of pickleball Are you one of the people that take up the basketball courts with pickleball courts? No Yeah, that was a good no from Jake You knew the no was just brewing it Yeah And All right. And I was playing against this lady, and I was up at the net.

Oh, no.

And I slammed in and hit her head.

Wait, this is a random lady that you met?

You're just playing pickup games with old ladies?

They're good.

They can play.

You just show up.

You put your panel in a line, and then the next four people up, they just go in a line.

How old?

They hit a lady.

She was probably in, like, 30s or 40s. Was she hot? This is an impossible question to answer.
No, it's pretty easy to answer. Was she hot? It's either the bonk list or.
No. I'm rude.
Nope. We will never know who this woman is.

No. You fucking bashing ugly chicks.
No, no. Did you make her at the top of her head? I felt really bad and I was kind of rattled.
Did you at least make her nose look better? No, she didn't get hurt. Did you win? Yeah.
Okay. If she was being horny, you could just have said you bonked her.
Yeah. Yeah.
So I felt bad. that is so funny that you go and just fucking hustle old ladies for pickleball glory no i'm telling you noises and all age age and how much did you guys play for nothing age is not a thing in pickleball like if you're good you're good you can hang yeah i'm pretty sure though you'd rather be like 25 than 70 fair but But in tennis, you can't really make that comparison in terms of playing on the same court.
It evens out in pickleball. How do you like...
I know the rules now about that. Okay, so I'm at the pickleball court.
I'm a 60-year-old lady. You walk up.
How do you start the proposition of playing? So you put your paddles in a line on the floor, and then the next four paddles are are up it's literally pickup like you know you say there's five like there's four on the four on the ground next four up did you play one-on-one no it's doubles singles is frowned upon because you hog up the space yeah yeah i actually have a real bone to pick with these pickleball players because they play pickleball adjacent to basketball courts or they even try to play on the court. And then what happens is their little fucking pickleball rolls onto the basketball court while people are playing.
Like, oh, and they don't say anything to anybody. And then dudes roll their ankles on the fucking pickleballs.
This sounds like a real problem. Yeah, it is a real fucking problem.
Huge problem. Just because you don't want to pay a membership at some like racquetball club that you like.
Pickleball's a new sport, Billy. Sport of the future and I guess it's just not masculine enough for Billy.
Similar to the hot dog. Yeah, that's true.
Billy would never eat a hot dog. No, I have a real grip.
Like people What? A real gripe. A real gripe.
I have a real gripe because the ball rolls on the basketball court and you can easily take out someone's ankle. Like have you ever stepped on a baseball? How many times has that happened? It sounds like it could easily happen.
But a basketball can never roll on the pickleball court. And a pickleball player can't roll their ankle.
Yeah, Billy, you're a sportist. Yeah.
No, you are. Because everyone's hustling towards the basketball.
You think it's a pussy sport because you're not good at it. No, I don't like how inconsiderate they are of other people's face.
They act like they're better than everybody. What if Billy – oh, Frisbee golf.
Billy sucked at him. Yeah.
This isn't a real sport.

Well, because he was too strong for it.

And I got tics that way.

If you're not good, you're just not a real sport.

Which, I mean, that's a great spin zone to have.

That's actually my barometer.

If Jake is good at it, it's not a sport.

Yeah.

Golf?

Dude.

I'm not even that good at golf, but I'm decent.

Golf is life.

It's not a sport.

That's fair. There's a difference between me'm decent.
Golf is life. It's not a sport.
That's Jake.

There's a difference between me and you.

Jake is just dominating older women at pickleball. I'm telling you, if you play pickleball, you know that age, gender, it doesn't matter.

Next time you dominate an older woman at pickleball.

Everyone plays together.

Everyone plays together.

Okay.

But next time you dominate an older woman at pickleball, I need a selfie recap.

Just sit down this woman.

Sunday morning in the West Village.

There's games for advanced players only.

I'm going to go to those.

You're going to try to dip your foot in the advanced water? Anyone who's going to – you just put a fucking star on your back, dude. Yeah, everyone should show up.
If you're in AWS, put stars on people who can. Yeah, that's true.
Jake. Billy's friend.
He's not my friend. He's not my friend.
I know some people take that seriously. Why? Because you just never met him? No.

No. No.
No.

Not a good guy. Terrible guy.

Okay. Jake.

Any good ideas? I would beat the shit out of Hitler if he was here. Okay.
Nice.

We weren't even talking about him. Yeah.
Wow. Okay.

Okay. That's weird.
Jake.

So let me ask you this. You said

that age nor gender matters

when you're playing pickball. Do you think that Leah Thomas should be allowed to compete Against other female pickball players I'm going to put you on the spot No we're not going to go down this angle We're not? That's the pronoun that you're going to use there? Okay They are not Well like us as a podcast If we go down this road this podcast episode would be a failure all right what to just talk about it i think you don't want to acknowledge it at all it's not even real what did you say about lancaster pa like what what did you say I have a friend who's in football,

and he has to recruit kids to Lancaster PA.

And a kid he recruited said,

I'm not coming because of Billy football.

Billy football.

Lancaster PA is an awesome college town.

But you said that it wasn't.

I made it sound like it wasn't.

Okay.

And it's hard being a young college football coach. Yeah.
Sounds like you're making it harder. Yeah.
Okay. So go to Lancaster PA.
That is our show. We got the boys on Monday.
Will Compton and Tara Luan and Tuck all the playoff action. Hank, have you ever gotten this? Nope.
You're really salty about what happened. No, I'm happy for you.
We were saying before, like, the fact that I've gotten it twice in three years and you claim that I have the best seat was very funny. Why do you got to switch seats? I had, like, four texts written back to Max Home yesterday.
I deleted them out of respect. Yeah, he did congratulate BitCat on the group thread.
I was very, you know, it's nice for people to support each other.

Also, I'd like to say, hey, AWLs, great job so far on the Max Homa stuff.

Yes.

Spicy Meatball, Mamma Mia, Let's Go Max.

These are all great things that we're saying.

Yes, and AWLs.

I thought you were going to say AWLs.

I've been seeing in the comments, like, a shitload of people are getting the lottery ball.

That is true.

It's way more common.

It's nuts.

If you get the lottery ball, don't feel like you got it.

It does not count.

No, it counts.

It's a show of hands.

I'd say it counts.

Counts.

Max says it counts.

Jake says it counts.

I wasn't listening.

What was the question?

Yeah.

Okay, that's perfect.

I'm still in Lancaster.

Rum Spring Amish Girls.

Numbers.

They all go to Lancaster when they want to party.

18.

You're a bad guy. What? I got 17.
I'm going to go 99. You want 17? Yeah.
Nah. Keep in mind when someone gets it, it usually goes and runs.
Billy and I got it back to back before. We also got it separated within a week.
20. In the fall.
So when someone gets it, we can get

hot. I feel good about six for Hank.

What do you have? Yeah, I took 99.

I know. I'm going to kill myself

if six hits here because I offered him 17.

Should I give him 17? No.

It's like the no deal. Do you want to switch cases?

Yeah, do you want it? You want 17?

I'll take 17 if you want 99. No, I have 17.

But he...

You have six?

You're going to stick with six.

All right.

18.

I got a bad feeling about six right now, guys.

Bad, bad feeling.

63.

That would have destroyed me.

It had a six. That would have destroyed me.
It had a six in it. That would have destroyed me.
Doesn't count. Hank, you're getting worse.
Six times. You're getting worse.
Yeah, I don't think it's happening before Chicago. No, I mean, the other thing is, Hank, I heard the, like, 96.
Did you hear the boo birds? Did you hear people saying,

like, do you hear people saying,

Hank, have you ever gotten it?

What do you mean?

Like, people say that, right?

That's all people say.

Right.

People started saying to me,

Big K, you've only gotten it once.

I heard that.

I used it as motivation.

I went out and got it.

I'm happy for you.

Thrilled.

Love you guys.

Giraffes have seven vertebrae in their necks, the same as you. I'm talking away.
Though I don't know what I have to say, I'd say it anyway. Today's another day to find you shining away.
So I'll be coming for your love of pain. For your on I'll be gone Let your own.
Needless to say. I'm all descended.
But I'm a piece of it away. No, I'm a piece of it.
Say after me. It's better to be safe than sorry Take on me Take me on

I'll be gone

Put a tear on tears

Thank you. I'll be gone.
Put it to your dreams. The dreams that you say ain't reliable.
Just to play my worries away. You're all the things I've got to remember.
And you're shying away. Well, I'll be coming for you anyway.
Take on me.

Take me

on.

I'll be gone.

After

a treat.