NFL Draft With Todd McShay And Daniel Jeremiah, Jimmy Butler Is A Dawg, Trae Young Stuns Boston And The Return Of Jimbos

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Speaker 1 On today's part in my take, we have draft talk. Lots of draft talk.
We are two days away, one day away from the draft. We have Todd McShea, Daniel Jeremiah.

Speaker 1 Get all your draft questions answered with both the guys. Where guys are going to go, what prospects do they love?

Speaker 1 We're going to talk playoff basketball, Jimmy Butler's incredible might, LeBron's incredible mite, the Celtics losing to the Hawks, some playoff hockey, and the return of Jimbo's.

Speaker 1 Special return of Jimbo's after the interviews. We haven't done those in a long time.

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Speaker 1 Welcome to part of my take. Today is Wednesday, April 26th,

Speaker 1 and the Boston Celtics and Atlanta Hawks are going to a game six.

Speaker 6 That's sweet. It was such a sweet ending to the game.
Like,

Speaker 6 as Joelle and Biade put it, in front of the program,

Speaker 6 this is some good hoops.

Speaker 1 Hashtag.

Speaker 6 It was some good hoops. It was some good hoops tonight.
And I know that you guys were texting the group chat.

Speaker 6 I was watching, I'm at my mom's new place, and I was watching on her brand new cable that we installed.

Speaker 6 And it was, uh, we don't know what the real channels are yet, so I was having to watch on the Spanish broadcast of it.

Speaker 6 And the Spanish broadcast of the wedgie call at the end of the game was just electric. Jake, I wish I had recorded it for you.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I need to see that. Is it on like what channel?

Speaker 1 Can you recreate it?

Speaker 6 I don't know. I just selected TNT, and I think that her TV was set up on the SAP button.
So it's like wedgie, wedgie, wedgie.

Speaker 1 That's great.

Speaker 1 By the way, way, so we're recording the first 10 minutes on Riverside on Zoom.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk about Monday night's games after that. So we're going to talk about LeBron and Jimmy and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you noticed at PFT, as I was saying, the Boston Celtics and Atlantic Hawks are going to a game six. Max was just whispering to himself, let's go.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 And Hank looks like he wants to throw up. Boys, I mean, Hank, we should start with you.

Speaker 1 What happened? It was a 13-point lead with 6-10 left. I think we all had the same thought.
Like, this series is over. Thanks for coming out, Hawks.
You won your one game.

Speaker 1 And then Trey Young absolutely took over. 38 points, 13 assists.
Like,

Speaker 1 the shot he made, I actually, that one was more on Jalen Brown backpedaling as hard as he was. The minute he started backpedaling, Trey Young was like, I'm going to shoot this.

Speaker 1 And he was shooting from everywhere all night.

Speaker 7 And they kept switching.

Speaker 7 It was Al Horford was on him and he hit a three in his face and it was robert williams on him he hit in his face they were just like calling screens and getting big guys on him so he had open looks

Speaker 7 it was one of the most frustrating games in a long time it was just one of those games i was i was on i had the peloton right there i was on the peloton headphones in not even listening at the end of the game you know just just just riding along thinking about philly just just getting ready watching more as a formality And then the last two minutes, I was at a complete stop, headphones out, watching and just couldn't believe my eyes.

Speaker 7 There's smart, Marcus Smart, obviously, you know, defensive player of the year. Last year, I love having him on your team last year.

Speaker 1 He

Speaker 7 had a terrible end of the game. He, the, like, trying to play defense on Trey Young and fouling him to give him the lead, that was crazy.
Like, they could have just stopped him right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 It was bad. It was bad all around.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Jason Tatum won for 10 from three.

Speaker 1 It was actually like, because,

Speaker 1 you know, it was basically every bad Celtics game this year where Jason Tatum's not shooting well and they give up a huge lead.

Speaker 1 And they're, to quote Doc Rivers, playing with their meat, which is something Philly didn't do. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I just want to point out that there's no finer example of Boston privilege than Hank saying, I was watching this game more as a formality.

Speaker 7 That's what it felt like.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but who watches games as a formality?

Speaker 1 Like, you just

Speaker 1 check out the game.

Speaker 1 No, like it was spoiled.

Speaker 1 I mean, mean, more. The game was over.
You're spoiling it.

Speaker 7 I thought the game was over. It's like, all right, the game's over.
I'm going, like, I can move on with my life, but I have to at least physically watch the game end. That's what I mean by formality.

Speaker 1 No, but by formality.

Speaker 6 Let's not forget the fact that you thought it was such a formality. You thought that you could start to get a workout in before the game was over.
That's how much of a formality.

Speaker 7 I did. I was like, you know,

Speaker 7 this game's over. I might as well get some calories burned in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 Now, okay.

Speaker 7 And then I didn't realize I burned like 80 because I was fucking stopped and just staring there, sitting in awe and disgust.

Speaker 1 I know that face. I've seen that face in a text.

Speaker 6 I love the idea of Hank getting on his exercise bike and then just being so disgusted with everything that's happening that he doesn't even exercise and he just gets off and doesn't work out at all.

Speaker 1 Listen, Hank, I'll back you up on this. I'll back you up on this.
I've quit workouts for far less, far less. You just show up to the gym and you're like, nah, not today.

Speaker 1 Put your clothes back on and leave.

Speaker 1 Okay, so it was a it was crazy like trey young deserves all the credit he was hitting every shot you know controlling the game hank your panic meter because so people are a lot of people were asking what happens to soul patch bet uh if the celestial don't advise well good thing is hank already said that if the celestial advance he will do the soul patch himself uh so he's already in a soul patch bet you're in a soul patch bet yeah i don't even care about the soul patch i i care much more.

Speaker 7 But again, I'm, you know, I'm going to sound a little bit like a hypocrite here because

Speaker 7 on whatever Sunday show, I was focused on Philly and fully, you know, we're talking about the soul patch bet.

Speaker 7 I'm just back to the Hawks. Okay.

Speaker 7 Just close out Game Sucks. Don't worry about the Sixers.
Don't worry about Max's ugly fat face. Just focus on the Hawks, beat the Hawks, and then we can

Speaker 7 climb that bridge when we get to it. Okay.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 I was going to

Speaker 6 be be solved about the uh about the atlanta hawks in their home arena having to cancel a jana jackson concert because the hawks thought there's no way that we end up playing six games in this series so they

Speaker 6 swift is also there this weekend chaos yeah they scheduled a jana jackson concert they have to cancel that concert i think that everybody that had tickets hank you should refund one person personally to make to atone for it for the vibes if there is a listener of this show that also bought tickets to the Jana Jackson concert in Atlanta, I will refund those tickets.

Speaker 7 But you have to send me a receipt, dude.

Speaker 1 You know, I would like that crossover if that crossover exists.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it exists.

Speaker 7 I got you. It exists.
Just one ticket, though.

Speaker 1 Not two.

Speaker 1 Just one ticket. Okay, so

Speaker 1 it now, I mean, I don't actually blame the arena for that because the Hawks, a fun little stat,

Speaker 1 the Hawks have been 500 or one game away from 500, either over or under, for 99 out of the last 101 days. All they do is just get to 500.

Speaker 1 They are, if you count the play-in, which technically doesn't count, they're a perfect 44 and 44 on the season. Like, that's just what they do.

Speaker 1 They're the middling team that now has the Celtics having to go back to Atlanta to try to beat Trey Young. Deontay Murray back.

Speaker 1 after bumping that i'm actually shocked that he didn't get suspended for longer because that was an aggressive bump of a ref.

Speaker 7 They might be better without him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 7 I'm already thinking that. Hopefully he comes back and they're back to being discombobulated.

Speaker 1 So my question, though, so I want to hear from Max real quick.

Speaker 1 Today could not have gone better for him. Embiid is back 100%, Max? Embiid is back?

Speaker 5 Definitely not 100%,

Speaker 5 but it looks like he's probably going to be playing through pain. Looking a little bit better now that it's starting on Monday instead of Saturday.

Speaker 1 Two extra days. Two extra days to get healthy.

Speaker 5 Now it's finalized.

Speaker 5 Game one starts on Monday, no matter what happens in game six.

Speaker 1 Hank being a

Speaker 1 video and audio producer and having his mic or his autofocus. Turn off autofocus.

Speaker 1 For a second,

Speaker 6 watch on the YouTube because Hank was doing a Joe Buck picture of himself for a second.

Speaker 1 No, you have to like it, whatever.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that was the other thing I was thinking on the Peloton. I was planning out Saturday.
I was like, I think I should go back to Boston, try and go to the game.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, Hank. You got ahead of yourself.
I did.

Speaker 1 Big time.

Speaker 7 But it felt right.

Speaker 1 What are your nerves at?

Speaker 7 5%.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's no way, even if you lose game six, you're not going to lose game seven.

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 1 Like, that's. I feel confident in that.

Speaker 6 I don't think a Boston team would be involved in that. No, no, you're good.
You're good.

Speaker 8 I mean, for your planning purposes, you could still go back Saturday for a game seven.

Speaker 1 Oh, true. Good point.

Speaker 8 Might be game seven.

Speaker 1 Good point.

Speaker 5 I've actually never seen the Hawks

Speaker 5 come back from a massive lead to go on to win a game in seven, but who knows?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Ben Simmons passing up a nice little dunk, something like that.

Speaker 5 No, yeah, I've never seen that happen. I've never seen Trey Young come back from a big lead and end up winning a series.

Speaker 1 Okay, so other games, congrats to your Nuggets, PFT.

Speaker 6 Thank you.

Speaker 1 They've gotten one round. Your Wolves future that

Speaker 1 you were telling us all they got to do is get to the Western Conference final. Fell a little short, but you know,

Speaker 1 I don't really know where the Wolves are going to go from here.

Speaker 6 Hank's right. Hank's right.
You're gaslighting.

Speaker 6 You're gaslighting.

Speaker 1 You're gaslighting.

Speaker 6 My system, which was right at the time, my process was correct, was that I was betting on the Wolves to finish out the season slightly stronger.

Speaker 6 And by slightly stronger, I meant like one or two more wins in their last 12 games than they actually got. I was betting on them to end up playing the Kings in the first round.

Speaker 6 I was hoping for that matchup and knowing that De'Aaron Fox would break his finger against the Warriors.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 and then they would go ahead and they would be able to win that first series.

Speaker 6 Then if they got to the second series, there might be a hedge opportunity, but definitely, if they won two series, there would be a huge one. So, my system was right.

Speaker 6 But the good news for me is I have a lot more money that's on the line for the Nuggets.

Speaker 6 I stood to make more money on the T-Wolves, but I had more of my own personal money on my Nuggets for a long time. This is a bet two years in the making.
So, I'm happy.

Speaker 6 We said on the last show that Jokic hadn't been the guy yet, and they had still been playing well. Well, right after we recorded that show, Jokic went out there and dropped like 40.

Speaker 6 Tonight, he he had a triple double. So we're good.
We're in good shape right now. And you know what? Nobody's talking about us.
No one's talking about the Nuggets.

Speaker 1 I'm actually like,

Speaker 1 it felt dirty that you had the T-Wolves against the Nuggets. The Nuggets are your team.
They're your Western Conference team. Like you needed them.

Speaker 1 The better PFT team advanced, both for you personally and your

Speaker 1 two-year stake in this and also for the larger money.

Speaker 6 The T-Wolves were a fling. It was an impulsive thing that I did that I thought I figured out a way to break Vegas, which I did, but the T-Wolves

Speaker 6 didn't pull their end of the bargain. That's my problem with it.
I did everything that I could. I made all the right moves.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 sometimes, you know,

Speaker 6 Rudy Gobert doesn't listen to math and he punches his teammate in the face.

Speaker 1 He did win that game.

Speaker 6 Still.

Speaker 1 They,

Speaker 1 yeah, so the Nuggets are done. Or, sorry, the Timberwolves are done.
That poor guy in game four

Speaker 1 in the Timberwolves crowd who was waving the Nuggets goodbye down 3-1.

Speaker 1 That was tough. But yeah, I do think the Nuggets are very, very good.
I'm excited.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk about LeBron a little bit,

Speaker 1 but Jokic is one of those players that he's been so good and the playoff, like...

Speaker 1 team the team has not gone far enough i'm rooting for him just because i don't like when people are like well he sucks because he's a bum in the playoffs, you know?

Speaker 1 And he's fun to watch.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, I mean, he's, he's legitimately, he's an MVP. Some would say that he should have been the MVP this year.
I'm not saying that, but a lot of people have said that.

Speaker 1 He's a beast.

Speaker 6 I mean, he's not a fluke. I don't think you can say he chokes in the playoffs.
Last year in the playoffs,

Speaker 6 he had absolutely zero help. All of his best teammates were completely injured all season.

Speaker 1 Oh, I agree. So

Speaker 6 the Nuggets were always a sleeping giant that people weren't thinking about because they do have a big three. So I'm pumped.
I'm pumped to see whoever, who would they play? What's their matchup for?

Speaker 1 They're playing the Suns. The Suns are up right now as we're taping this.
The Suns are up 17 with the start of the fourth quarter. So they're going to play the Suns.
It's going to be a great series.

Speaker 1 These whole playoffs have just been awesome. I feel like every night is just an insane game.

Speaker 6 Revenge game for the Suns and 4 guy.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 I'm going to call it right now.

Speaker 6 No. Nugs and 6.

Speaker 1 Yeah, revenge game for, yeah, the guy who got knocked out, you mean.

Speaker 6 Yeah, for that, yeah, for that entire.

Speaker 6 Of course, it was the Sons and Four guy that was doing the knocking out on the guy that had the high ground. I'm just, I'm calling it right out.
Nugs and six.

Speaker 1 Nugs and six. All right, let's talk a little playoff hockey before we kick it to ourselves and talk about Monday night's games.

Speaker 1 The Leafs might win a series. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's pretty crazy. And they've been doing it in like

Speaker 1 as dramatic a fashion as possible, going down big, coming back big.

Speaker 1 I mean, I guess they might actually do this. They might actually win a series.

Speaker 6 They were down 4-1 against the Lightning, and

Speaker 6 it looked as bleak as it could possibly get. And then, I don't know, something happened.
That's what you need in hockey.

Speaker 6 You need that spark to happen. We talked about it the other day with memes.

Speaker 6 You need a game where you come back and you snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, and then all of a sudden things start rolling downhill for you. So

Speaker 6 I'm hoping that's what happens with the Leafs. What's that? Why are you shaking your head, Hank?

Speaker 1 No, you're right.

Speaker 7 That's how it goes.

Speaker 1 It is. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I know. I'm worried.

Speaker 1 Oh, you're still thinking about the Celtics. So actually, the Bruins would play the Leafs next.

Speaker 7 No, I'm not worried about the. No, no, no.
I am talking about the Celtics.

Speaker 1 Oh, you are.

Speaker 7 Okay. The Bruins.
I mean, the Bruins and the Leafs might as well be the Celtic Sixers. Like, it's like they, we play all the time.
They never win.

Speaker 1 It's just how it goes.

Speaker 1 Okay, the other ones,

Speaker 1 Islanders Survive.

Speaker 1 Someone was getting upset that we never say the H-words on here, which I won't say because

Speaker 1 it kills people

Speaker 1 every, what, like, when's H-word season? It's like late summer. It's like six months a year now.
Summer, early fall.

Speaker 1 I refuse to say that name. Someone was like, would it kill you guys to say the H-words? And he said the full word.
And I was like, yeah, we don't say that on this podcast. But the Islanders,

Speaker 1 back to game six. Every hockey series feels awesome.
And then

Speaker 1 the Rangers.

Speaker 1 The Rangers fans are right now facing an absolute disaster situation because the way they won the first two games and they talked all that shit.

Speaker 1 And now it feels like the devils have control of this series. There's nothing worse.

Speaker 1 And like kind of a mini rival, there is nothing worse than having that early success, feeling like like you got them and having everything flip on you and all that you talked coming right back in your face i mean that's the story of new york sports for the last what 10 years that's kind of how they operate it's honestly sad how excited new yorkers get about first-round playoffs

Speaker 6 it really is like it's really sad like let's let's think about it because you've got the rangers right you've got the Knicks from last year.

Speaker 6 These Knicks might be a little bit different, but you've got the Knicks from last year.

Speaker 6 And then you you also have uh the giants beating the vikings and all the giants fans around our office were like yep this team this team's going to take care of the eagles we can do this we can make it happen it's sad new york have a little bit more respect for yourself okay sack wilson won a game and memes put a time picture of the year photoshop on

Speaker 1 like instantly regular season game it's sad how bar how how low the bar has fallen here in new york is memes is memes here right now or is he on the train

Speaker 5 he's not here he did give me a statement to read about the Islanders.

Speaker 1 Okay, Islanders a minute with memes, and then we'll kick it to ourselves and talk about the rest of the playoff games.

Speaker 5 Okay, Islanders a minute with memes. To whom it may concern, two minutes left in hockey with the other team controlling the puck in your zone is an awful feeling.
Yes.

Speaker 5 Wanted to throw up the entire time. Is this a poem?

Speaker 9 With that being said, back against the wall.

Speaker 5 You got a win on the road. It's coming back to the island for game six on Friday.
You win, and anything can happen in a game seven.

Speaker 1 Go, islanders nice it is right that game the last like four minutes it felt like the h-words had had the puck in the islanders zone and it was like excruciating if you're an islanders fan it is really no worse feeling because you're like something's going to something bad is going to happen yeah and even in in some of the best moments of a time like that it just becomes a face-off and then you have to have a face-off in your own zone so you just get like a 15 second breather to feel like you're not staring down the the jaws of death.

Speaker 6 Yes. And then boom, you're tossed back into the fire.

Speaker 7 And the Oilers look good. They might, I mean, unless they absolutely choke this.

Speaker 1 The Oilanders, oh, the Oilanders.

Speaker 1 It's midnight. I've slept like four hours last three nights.
The Oilanders, the Oilers Kings series has been so much fun. It's like every game is just chaos, goals everywhere.

Speaker 1 But yeah, they're up 6-3 right now in the third, late in the third. Oilers might take that 3-2 lead.

Speaker 1 I feel like the Oilers, though, are like mini leafs that the minute they get up in something or have any little success, it just blows up in their face.

Speaker 1 So that's a cautiously optimistic, like maybe the Oilers will advance.

Speaker 6 I just like the term Oilanders.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Oilanders. That's a good thing.

Speaker 7 And they have the same colors pretty much.

Speaker 6 Yeah, they do. It sounds like a dude from Australia talking about like the Samoans.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Oilanders.

Speaker 1 Okay, we have a lot more to talk about. We taped it earlier in the day, so not as scatter-brained.
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Speaker 1 Okay, let's talk about Monday night.

Speaker 1 We'll get to Aaron Rodgers, but we first have to talk about a man named Jimmy G. Buckets, and the G stands for gets.
That was one of the most impressive performances I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 Jimmy Butler scoring 56, fourth all-time in points in a playoff game. MJ 163.
Elgin Baylor 261. Donovan Mitchell 57.
And then Jimmy Butler at 56. Yeah.
He scored 56 points.

Speaker 1 He basically dragged the heat to victory.

Speaker 6 It was... It was bubble Jimmy.

Speaker 1 It was incredible. Like watching it in person, you know when you're watching.
Like he had the first quarter where he was unstoppable. Then he was, you know, maybe got a little tired.

Speaker 1 And then he came back, brought them all the way back.

Speaker 1 When you're watching these moments on TV and you're like, I'm watching something special where he could not miss every play he was part of, whether it be an assist or scoring, he's out of, like, they're the eighth seed.

Speaker 1 I know Giannis hasn't played, but Jimmy Butler is carrying a team that I thought was dead to the brink of a huge, huge upset that no one saw coming.

Speaker 6 Yeah, well, Giannis did play last night.

Speaker 6 He was not the lead dog on the court. It was Jay Butt.
Yeah. Jay Butt updated Jay Butt rankings.
I've got him number six in the NBA as of last night's performance.

Speaker 6 If we're looking at the Steph Curry chart, Jimmy Butler is officially back to being maybe the most underrated player in the NBA in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 It's playoff Jimmy.

Speaker 6 It's playoff Jimmy. 19 of 28 from the field.

Speaker 6 That to me is insane because he went 15 of 18 from the foul line, right? Yeah. That's what Jimmy does when he gets locked in.
He doesn't really miss free throws.

Speaker 6 But the fact that he got these points and he was extremely efficient while doing it, this is like probably the most efficient 50-point game of all time.

Speaker 6 So I don't know how to quantify that because I'm not a nerd, but if I was a nerd, I would be able to back that up with actual numbers.

Speaker 6 To me, just based on the eyeball test and watching the game and looking at the stat sheet, that's the most efficient 56-point performance of all time.

Speaker 1 And his spin moves, like he had, he had Giannis, like he was one-on-one with Giannis in the low post. I think it was in the first quarter, and he was just making moves left and right on him.

Speaker 1 Like everything he was doing was working. So when you talk about efficiency, now, obviously the playoffs have only gone four games so far.
Fun fact, play-in games don't count anywhere.

Speaker 1 The stats that happen in play-in games don't go in the NBA history book.

Speaker 6 They just don't exist. Because it's a non-regular season game.

Speaker 1 Dumbest rule ever. So those don't exist.
So it's only been four games. So obviously, if he goes on a long run, some of this will maybe regress the mean.

Speaker 1 But there are only two players in the history of NBA who, in the playoffs, have gone 35 points, averaged 35 points, five rebounds, five assists on 50-plus percent shooting.

Speaker 1 It's Michael Jordan and LeBron James, and now it's Jimmy Butler, and he's doing it on 62.8% shooting.

Speaker 1 That's insane.

Speaker 6 Classic Jay Butt. You were talking about his moves in the post.
Some of his head fakes are just insane.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 6 You remember that the old SNL sketch where it's the Batabi brothers that are just nodding their head? Yeah. That's what Jay Butts is doing.

Speaker 1 You, me, me, you.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah. He's just nodding his head, like faking people out with his head, with his shoulders, with his neck.
He was dialed in. It was awesome.
Now,

Speaker 6 they have what appears to be a commanding lead in the series, which I. But it also, at the same time, wouldn't shock me at all if the Bucs just ripped off three wins.

Speaker 1 No, because when you actually look at it, the Bucs have a better team, but he'd have Jimmy Butler. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And it took the most efficient playoff performance of all time to beat the Bucs in this game.

Speaker 1 And the place was like rocking, which was cool because Miami, maybe not known as the number one sports town.

Speaker 1 The whole thing was awesome to watch. We were having the debate.
So you said six. I think that's where we landed.
If you had to pick a guy to win a game in the playoffs,

Speaker 1 the list that I was thinking was: it's Giannis.

Speaker 6 Scott Foster.

Speaker 1 It's Giannis.

Speaker 1 It's Jason Tatum. It's Curry.

Speaker 1 It's Durant.

Speaker 1 Who was the other name we had? Chris Paul. Not Chris Paul.

Speaker 1 Oh, Hank threw out Kwai, which Healthy Kwai, I kind of agree with. And Jimmy Butler's right there.

Speaker 1 Like, there's, I don't know who else we're missing. Noel LeBron.
Oh, yeah, LeBron. LeBron is also there, which we'll get to in a second.
Yes, that was the one we were missing. LeBron.

Speaker 1 So he's somewhere in like five to seven, five to eight of guys that if you wanted to pick to win a game, he would be it. Like, he, that's how good he is in the playoffs and how dominant he is.

Speaker 1 And it was, it was an awesome, it was kind of like a, Reggie Miller was saying it, that's the, that's the most impressive heat performance.

Speaker 1 It is the only time I think a heat player scored 50-plus in a a playoff game. And that's crazy with the take three.
Yeah, LeBron, Dwayne Wade, Chris Ross, Alonzo Morning.

Speaker 1 Like, there's a lot of good players in Heat history, and Jimmy just did it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it was awesome. It was, it was awesome to watch.
Good for Jimmy.

Speaker 1 I still do think the Bucs might win this.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think they might too, which is, but it does go back to the fact that it took a statistical anomaly to beat the Bucs in this game. Maybe he just does it again.
Maybe he does it again.

Speaker 6 I don't know if he can do it twice in a row. But

Speaker 6 yeah, Jay Budd is back officially, and I think that we overuse the term who's got that dog in him. I feel like there's like 30 different guys in sports that currently have a dog inside them right now.

Speaker 6 I think it should be one guy has the dog in him. There should be one dog guy.

Speaker 1 I think dogs have Jimmy Butler in them.

Speaker 6 Dogs have Jimmy Butler in them.

Speaker 6 I'd say Jimmy Butler is the head dog. Yeah.
He's the alpha dog right now in sports.

Speaker 1 It's so much fun when he gets going.

Speaker 1 And then the other one we had, LeBron.

Speaker 6 Well, let's also talk about the fact that Duncan Robinson had a staggering plus 15 in the plus one. Yeah, he's been awesome.

Speaker 1 Three or four from three. Yeah, he's been awesome the last two games.
And then the night game, LeBron, vintage performance.

Speaker 1 I don't like LeBron. Everyone knows that.

Speaker 1 We talked about it on Sunday, but Dylan Brooks has made me like LeBron because I do think there's like a pecking order and a hierarchy that you shouldn't mess with. Like Dylan Brooks is a nobody.

Speaker 1 LeBron is one of the best players of all time. So I found myself rooting for LeBron to like stick it to Dylan Brooks.
And he does with the clutch shot 8.8 seconds left over Dylan Brooks.

Speaker 1 Also hit that three quarters court court shot when the time expired, which was that was very funny because it's like, what can he do?

Speaker 1 But it was like an old school vintage. I'm going to throw it back and just be the best player on this court.
First player since Shaq. First Laker since Shaq to have 20 points, 20 rebounds in a game.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 he was incredible. Like, he was incredible.
He stuffed it to the Grizzlies, who are the Memphis penis touchers. They had another two on Monday night where they touched two more penises.

Speaker 1 But it was cool to see, like, LeBron's 38 years old, and he's doing this. And I am officially on, like, the Lakers might...
be really, really good watch.

Speaker 6 So as LeBron gets older and as we age gracefully, I might add on this podcast, I do start to find myself rooting for him in places where I wouldn't have before, just because it's like if LeBron is still going out there and dominating the NBA, I'm still young.

Speaker 6 Right, it makes me feel young to see him do that. Whereas before, when he was dominating, when he was like 20, 21 years old, 22 years old, I was like, What have I done with my life?

Speaker 6 Why is this man doing so many things that I'm not even in the position to think about? But now that we're getting older, it's like I find myself gradually hating him less.

Speaker 6 And you're right, part of that has to do with the fact that I just, it's not that I love LeBron, it's that I like him. I hate him less than I hate Dylan Brooks.
Right.

Speaker 6 And so it's like the old story of if you're getting chased by a tiger, you don't have to be faster than the tiger. You just have to be faster than the other guy that the tiger's chasing.

Speaker 6 I want Dylan Brooks to get eaten by the tiger. I'm okay with LeBron surviving this.

Speaker 1 He switched it on me because I, and he no commented again last night after the game. I just, you can't do that.

Speaker 1 You can't, you can't say LeBron's old and poke the bear and back it up with absolutely nothing. Like he is, he is a total, total clown, and LeBron proved that he still got a lot of gas in the tank.

Speaker 1 And I am, the Lakers, I believe, if you include playoffs

Speaker 1 since the trade deadline, have the best record in the NBA. They do.
So,

Speaker 1 yeah, I'm nervous. I'm officially nervous.

Speaker 6 But it's good for the league.

Speaker 1 Good for the league. Good for the league.
I hate him, but the more he's,

Speaker 6 the more excited. We root for ratings on this podcast.

Speaker 1 Yes. By the way.

Speaker 6 This is good for ratings.

Speaker 1 I mentioned the fact that LeBron had the first, he was the first Laker with 20 points, 20 rebounds in a playoff game since since Shaq. One of my favorite things to do is look old Shaq, like

Speaker 1 his game logs from the playoffs. In the 2001 playoffs, he had three separate games where he had 40-plus.
He went 44-21, 43-20. And then in game one of the finals, he had 44 points and 20 rebounds.

Speaker 1 He was just so fucking dominant. Yeah.
So dominant.

Speaker 6 Those old Lakers teams were a lot of fun. Also, most important player on that team, Robert Orey.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's a fact.

Speaker 6 Clutch legend. That's a fact.

Speaker 1 But yeah, LeBron, Hank, do you want want to say anything about the fact that lebron seemingly has a very nice path to the nba finals i don't think they'll make the finals but i i am now i'm now retracting my original take of like i'm i don't take them seriously i have to take the lakers seriously i'm i'm just i i think i am rooting for celtics lakers in the finals that would be awesome a little bit and no that'd be awesome i i hope it happens those are all the chips i'd rather play the lakers than the suns it's also you guys are tied for the warriors for total uh championships yeah so are you nervous nervous about LeBron?

Speaker 1 No. Were you rooting for LeBron last night? No.
Okay.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 7 I've said it on the show over the years.

Speaker 7 He

Speaker 7 has done well so many times that it's impossible to hate on him as a bad player. I still root against him.
He's not a bad player.

Speaker 1 I root against him.

Speaker 7 Well, he's not a chokar, so there was a while where he was a choker and he didn't.

Speaker 1 No, he hits clutch shots. He hit that clutch shot.

Speaker 6 The only argument that you have against LeBron as a player, the only knock that people can have on him, is that he's not as good as the greatest basketball player of all time.

Speaker 7 I very thoroughly enjoy rooting against him. I don't hate him as a person, but I very much enjoy rooting against him.
And it hurts sometimes, but I just hate what Dylan Brooks is.

Speaker 1 He's sports.

Speaker 7 It's nice to have someone to root against. Yeah.

Speaker 6 It does make, yeah, it makes you hate Dylan Brooks more. Yeah.
Knowing that he makes you hate LeBron. It's lightweight hilarious that we're actually rooting for LeBron.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, and I can't deny my feelings, but it will change once they get out of this series. But Dylan Brooks has made me root for LeBron to basically shove it in his face.

Speaker 7 And John Morant, the play he made at the end of the game, like that should have been the story. Obviously, LeBron hit that shot, but that was an incredible, incredible play.

Speaker 6 You know what I like about LeBron sometimes is when he does get actually mad at something.

Speaker 6 Because he spends so much of his time making everybody like him and trying to just like appeal to everybody and try to be this big mythical figure that

Speaker 6 I like it when he actually gets emotional on a human level that's not calculated. Yeah.
And when he's pissed off at somebody, he's fun to watch. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. LeBron, I think also the cracks in the Grizzly team are showing because I believe, I can't remember.

Speaker 1 I think it was Des, I think it was Bain that was on LeBron, and he said afterwards that the help needed to come there, and the help was Dylan Brooks. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And so I think that if you're a Grizzlies, if you're on the Grizzlies, you have to be pissed that Dylan Brooks did this. Yeah.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 I think we talked about this last week. It's the Lance Stevenson, Deshaun Stevenson factor.

Speaker 6 People challenging LeBron that have no business challenging LeBron actually makes it way worse for everybody else on the team. Yes.
And also Austin Reeves, 23 points.

Speaker 1 Austin Reeves. He's awesome.
He's averaging like 18 points.

Speaker 6 He's legitimately a good player. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes. I am taking the Lakers for real.
I retract my

Speaker 1 initial statement and I was wrong.

Speaker 6 A lot of people are throwing out the

Speaker 6 Alex Caruso, Matthew De Lavedova comparisons for Austin Reeves. Let me just say that Austin Reeves is not Matthew Delevidova yet.

Speaker 1 Right, yet, yet. Okay, other news.
Aaron Rodgers is now a jet, officially. Congratulations to us, Billy.

Speaker 6 To both of us. And to memes.
Congratulations. And to me.

Speaker 1 Are you excited? I'm pumped.

Speaker 11 It was getting, I actually tweeted yesterday morning before the news broke. I was like, if this thing doesn't happen, it's never going to happen.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then it happens.

Speaker 6 If this thing doesn't happen, it's never going to

Speaker 1 be found around the draft.

Speaker 11 If it wasn't wasn't gonna happen right before the draft or right after the draft, it was never gonna happen. It was one of those things, like, you know, is the check in the mail? Yeah.

Speaker 11 Like, is it really coming? And now that it's real, Jets are definitely gonna go to the playoffs and might make a run to the Super Bowls.

Speaker 6 I'm actually so hyped.

Speaker 11 They have a top five defense, they have weapons, and they have Aaron Rodgers. I really don't see how this goes wrong.

Speaker 6 Yeah, okay, here's how it goes wrong.

Speaker 1 Literally, I'll clip that.

Speaker 6 Literally, everything you just said is how it goes wrong. Guaranteed to make the playoffs.
Let me just ask you guys, off the top of your head,

Speaker 6 since the last time the Jets made the playoffs, let's count the Jets' last playoff game as being one game, okay?

Speaker 6 How many more playoff appearances do the Detroit Lions have than the Jets?

Speaker 1 Two. Three.
Three.

Speaker 6 They have three times as many playoff appearances as the Jets since the last time the Jets made the playoffs. Wow.
So the Jets have been, like, historically, they've been on a real bad run recently.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're the longest drought.

Speaker 6 I don't know if they, that sounds right.

Speaker 1 I think they're the longest trout in the NFL.

Speaker 6 But saying

Speaker 6 all the talk about the Jets being one piece away,

Speaker 6 it feels like a kiss of death scenario, where it's like we finally have the complete total package right now. And Aaron Rodgers switching to a new team.

Speaker 6 He's familiar with the offense because he's got his emotional support quarterback in the room with him. He's got his emotional support coach, Nathaniel Hackett, in the room with him.

Speaker 6 So it feels like it shouldn't be that bad of a transition, but you also can't discount the history of New York Jets quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 They almost have done

Speaker 1 12 years since they've been in the playoffs. The Broncos are the second with seven.
That's all they saw.

Speaker 6 They're all the year that the Broncos are second.

Speaker 1 And they won the Super Bowl the year before that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, it is Jets. This goes back to when you told us that you feel bad for us.
The Jets are still the Jets.

Speaker 11 No, no, this time it's different.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 11 This time, our quarterback uses hallucinogens, which will allow him to circumnavigate circumnavigate any bad press. Okay.

Speaker 6 He's going to hate the New York media, and he's going to be so

Speaker 6 combative to him.

Speaker 11 He's the only one.

Speaker 6 He's going to love it. I think he's going to love getting into fights with the New York media, whereas other Jets quarterbacks, they feel all the pressure from the media.

Speaker 6 Now, the New York media is going to feel the pressure from Aaron. It's going to be like that BBC interview with Elon Musk, where Elon's like, I'm going to question you now.

Speaker 6 That's what Aaron's going to do to the media here.

Speaker 6 It's going to be a fun show to watch for sure. And I actually do think

Speaker 6 on paper, he is the missing piece. Yeah.
Because the Jets scored,

Speaker 6 I don't think they scored a single offensive touchdown in their last three games of the year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, Zach Wilson is very bad. But now they have Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 11 The articles are already being written about how this gives Zach Wilson second life.

Speaker 1 Are you writing them? No.

Speaker 6 Yeah, what do you mean the articles are already being done?

Speaker 11 I read two articles already about how Aaron Rodgers not only sets up the Jets for success now, but could provide mentorship to Zachariah.

Speaker 1 Talking to yourself late at night doesn't count as an artist.

Speaker 11 No, no, I was having these takes like months ago, but now the mainstream media is like putting out articles like that.

Speaker 1 Damn, you're ahead of your time. Since we're making bold claims, Billy said they're definitely making the playoffs and nothing can go wrong.
I'll join you, Billy. Jordan Love, not that guy.

Speaker 1 I'm just going to enjoy it until he proves that he eventually obviously is going to become that guy because that's what the Packers do.

Speaker 1 But I have a little window here where I can talk shit and be like, maybe I'll be right. Yeah.
Maybe.

Speaker 1 Maybe he's not that guy.

Speaker 1 You know what, Big Cat?

Speaker 6 We've talked about how we would love to lose a Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 How fun would it be to lose a Super Bowl to Aaron Rodgers, though?

Speaker 1 I don't want to lose the Super Bowl to Aaron Rodgers. But

Speaker 1 I have a longstanding take of if you take out the Bears, let's say the Bears are bad next year, which isn't a, you know, it's not like you have to. daydream too hard.

Speaker 1 The Jets winning a Super Bowl and Aaron Rodgers retiring after winning one Super Bowl with the Jets in one year would make me very happy because I would be able to say he won one in one year in New York and he won one in 15 years in Green Bay.

Speaker 1 Yep. So I'm kind of rooting for Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 11 Also, Aaron Rodgers, if you're looking for like someone in New Jersey to hang out with, knows the area, just hit me up. Okay.
Okay. I'll show you where some good spots are.

Speaker 6 Nice. Open invite.
Nice.

Speaker 11 You can chill in my backyard.

Speaker 6 I think, preemptive take, I think he's going to fuck Zach Wilson's mom.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Just get it out of the way. Be on the lookout for that.
Be an alpha.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Be an alpha.

Speaker 6 Because, I mean, Zach said he's going to make whoever's going to be the starting quarterback, he's going to make their life hell. I think it's already a contentious relationship.

Speaker 11 Yeah. I think he would have made Derek Carr's life hell, but not Aaron Rodgers.
I think he respects him way too much.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 6 What are we basing that off of?

Speaker 11 I mean, Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 It's just Billy's

Speaker 1 right now. It's just your own brain.
Yeah. No, I got it.
Enjoy it. I'm not.
You should be happy. I do think the Jets are going to be very pumped.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 this is going to be a very fun season. The Jets never play in primetime.
They're going to play a fuckload of primetime games this year. Yep.
It's going to be good. Yeah.

Speaker 6 You know, MetLife has only hosted one playoff game.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 6 And it was back in 2012.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. And

Speaker 1 it was the Giants.

Speaker 6 And it was the Giants.

Speaker 1 Okay.

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Speaker 1 Hank, hot seat cool throw.

Speaker 7 My first hot seat, kind of an embrace to base hot embrace to bait hot seat, it's coach Prime.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 7 Embrace debate. Colorado had 18 players enter the transfer portal on Monday.
That's after the spring game. 41 total since Deion Sanders was hired.

Speaker 7 63 of their 83 players, scholarship from 2022, have moved on.

Speaker 7 Most drastic roster flip of the portal era. Is that a hot seat for Coach Prime or is he just

Speaker 7 out with the old and with the new?

Speaker 6 Yeah, he's just yeah, he's brought his luggage with him.

Speaker 1 Iron sharpens iron, and it's Gucci. Yeah, Louie.
Louie. Louie.
I don't know. We don't say Gucci on this podcast.
That's true.

Speaker 7 So, not hot seat.

Speaker 6 Not hot seat.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 11 They did lose a couple players who put up amazing tape in the spring game, and they're just using that to leverage their transfer portal.

Speaker 6 They were probably wearing hats during meetings.

Speaker 7 And Prime was like, not no, no, no, not.

Speaker 1 Didn't say ma'am. Yeah.
When seeing a woman. Okay.

Speaker 7 Then my other hot seat is the beam.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah, De'Aaron Fox.

Speaker 7 DeAaron Fox suffered a fractured index finger on his left shooting hand. He's a lefty.

Speaker 7 He is listed as doubtful for game five.

Speaker 1 Credit to Hank. Tough, tough cookie.
Credit to Hank.

Speaker 6 Credit to Hank. It's tough for the Beam team.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What can I say? And it's credit to Hank when he heard us hyping him up.
Yeah. Now, do you...

Speaker 6 I'm not a basketball player. Do you really need your finger on your shooting hand to shoot the ball?

Speaker 1 Maybe a little. Maybe.
We should ask touch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, just like touch.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's tough. It's tough for Sacramento.
But also, like we discussed, it gives you a good excuse. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Like, we were going to beat the Kings, or we were going to beat the Warriors, and then Darren Fox broke his finger.

Speaker 6 So, you know, if history goes, if it's like one inch to the side, we win that series. Great.

Speaker 1 What if? All right, your cool throne?

Speaker 7 My cool throne is Peter Hewlin.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you had that one way wrong.

Speaker 10 You line.

Speaker 7 You line. You line.

Speaker 1 That's the fourth ace for people who listen to the list of the listeners.

Speaker 7 That's the fourth ace for the people that listen on Monday show. I said it doesn't matter.
Only the top three matter.

Speaker 7 Turns out not only is he a top three ace, he's number one in the individual standings for the whole league.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but it's a team game, so we're not expected to know that.

Speaker 1 And isn't his dad like the CEO of, was it titleist?

Speaker 7 Yeah, and he's from Massachusetts, New Bedford.

Speaker 1 So you. Well, no, I mean,

Speaker 7 what is his dad being?

Speaker 1 What does that have to do with anything? Well, people know him.

Speaker 1 Do you know like I always know the four aces?

Speaker 7 No, but like, do you know

Speaker 7 Taylor Maids, the guy that runs Taylor Maids?

Speaker 1 If he was a four aces,

Speaker 6 Taylor runs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, if he was on, if he was

Speaker 1 one of the aces, I would.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the four aces are Patrick Reed,

Speaker 1 Dustin Johnson, Peter Johnson, Julie Hulan,

Speaker 6 and Ringo.

Speaker 1 Perez. Matt Perez.

Speaker 6 Matt Perez, yes.

Speaker 1 Pat Perez.

Speaker 6 Fat Perez. Fat Perez.
I love Fat Perez.

Speaker 1 Who's also very good at him? He's He's awesome. Yes.
He's incredible at golf. He's a stick.
Okay. Yeah.
Maybe next time remember your four aces.

Speaker 1 I will. He's on the cool throne.
You should be saying it like when you get down and pray every night before you go to bed. Say your four aces.

Speaker 1 Be nice. All right.

Speaker 6 PFT. My hot seat is Kmart.
Ooh. I put Kmart on a hot seat.
Our friend Ross Tucker tweeted out a

Speaker 6 draft take today and kind of maligned Kmart on it.

Speaker 6 He said that Will Levis is going to fall. Here's why.
He's Kmart. If you want a polished passer, it's Stroud.
If you want upside potential, it's Richardson.

Speaker 6 If you want cheapest price, you go to Walmart. If you want something nice, you go to Target.
Kmart got caught in between, like Levis.

Speaker 6 So it's kind of a ricochet shot at Kmart, which might not exist anymore.

Speaker 6 I'm not sure. So I was on the train up here this morning, and I had a little bit of time on my hands.
It It does exist. It does.
Okay, so Will Levis is Kmart per Ross Tucker NFL.

Speaker 6 I like how he puts NFL so you know that he's talking football. Yeah.
We're talking pro football here.

Speaker 6 So I had a little bit of time on the train. So I just made some comparisons of NFL players compared to what chain store they would be.

Speaker 6 And you can feel free to jump in if you if you think of any. I had Justin Herbert Paxson.
Okay. Seems like Pacific Sunware.
Josh Allen, big and tall. Okay.
Jameis Winston, Spencer Giffs.

Speaker 7 I I think big and tall is for fat guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Well, he's big and he's tall.

Speaker 1 But you know what I'm saying? Josh Allen should be like. Big and tall is a store for

Speaker 6 fats. Yeah.

Speaker 1 For the fats? Josh Allen should be Kith. Okay, he's Kith? Yeah.
Okay. He's cool.

Speaker 6 He is very cool.

Speaker 1 Derek Carr. Supreme?

Speaker 7 He's not a hype beast. Josh Allen's fucking.

Speaker 1 No, but people hype him up.

Speaker 6 Obj is apart from the supreme supreme.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 6 Billy's right. Obj is Supreme.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen's like Carhartt. Okay.
Yeah, okay. I like that.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Tough, hardworking.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Doesn't need to be flashy.

Speaker 9 Derek Carr, hot topic.

Speaker 6 He just looks goth. Yep.
Kyler Murray, GameStop.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 6 For the video game, but also because he's in the news for being shorted. Yep.
Mac Jones, I just have him. I just wrote that he was meeting with his DUI attorney in the food court at the mall.
Okay.

Speaker 6 That's where he's at. Lamar, Plumber Supply.

Speaker 7 What? You guys never made mistakes when you were younger?

Speaker 6 I made several mistakes.

Speaker 6 I'm doing a comparison for the show here.

Speaker 7 Well, that wasn't a show. You're doing comparisons for stores.
You just didn't name a store. No, it's

Speaker 1 the mall food court. He should be meeting the DUI loader.

Speaker 11 Yeah. Got it.
No, he should be at the DMV for re-education.

Speaker 1 Okay, the DMV.

Speaker 6 Yeah, good job, Billy. He's at the DMV.

Speaker 7 I have

Speaker 1 Lamar, Plumber Supply. Okay.

Speaker 6 And Michael Strahan, The Gap.

Speaker 11 Okay. Carson Wentz, Cabela's.

Speaker 1 I like that. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Deshaun Watson, I put the gas station come and go.

Speaker 1 No, wouldn't it be the he would be the little massages that you get for

Speaker 1 $15 for 15 minutes. Massage.

Speaker 6 The ones at the airport.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, but the ones in the mall, if we're doing a mall. No, he's at the massage chairs that are near the food court.
Yeah, he's not allowed to be near a person. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Okay.

Speaker 6 I think that's my entire list that I jotted down. I'm sure I missed some.
Okay. So fill me.
Oh, Kirk Cousins Chick-fil-A.

Speaker 6 It seems like Chick-fil-A. Reasonable price.
I don't know. Decent products.
Very polite.

Speaker 1 Yeah. There you go.

Speaker 1 Who's Auntie Ann's?

Speaker 11 Oh, Auntie Ann.

Speaker 6 Or like Panda Express. Whoever smells the best.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Who's the best-smelling-looking quarterback in the United States? Jalen Hurts. Jalen.

Speaker 6 Yeah. He could be Annie Ann.
Or Jalen Hurts, American Eagle. Yeah.
It'd be another good one.

Speaker 6 My cool throne is Central Florida Defense Attorneys.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 6 Because Casey Anthony was seen buying baby clothes. Yeah.

Speaker 6 At Disney World, I think. She was walking around.

Speaker 6 You know, I hate to see her go, but I love to watch her leave.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 6 Shout out, Casey Anthony. I disavow her actions.

Speaker 7 First edition in a while.

Speaker 7 What?

Speaker 1 To the bonk list? She's thick.

Speaker 6 Did you see the picture? She's thick, Hank.

Speaker 11 Did you hear the Duracell ad?

Speaker 7 Hank, she is thick.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, 417, you called Russell Westbrook a good-looking guy. Oh, he is.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's just a fact.

Speaker 1 Casey Anthony's thick.

Speaker 6 She's dummy thick. Yeah.
Dummy thick, but maybe the purchasing of baby clothes, I hope it's for somebody else's baby.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that feels that feels bad. Yeah,

Speaker 6 that's all I have to say. That's really bad.
That's all I have to say about Casey Anthony at this time.

Speaker 1 That was just cool throwing Casey Anthony's.

Speaker 6 It's hot. Central Florida defense attorneys, if she actually

Speaker 6 has another child.

Speaker 1 All right. My hot seat is:

Speaker 1 we were talking about Jimmy Butler and what he did. My hot seat is the Chicago Bulls because we are now looking at Jimmy Butler potentially playing Tibbs in the second round.

Speaker 1 And while Jimmy Butler was putting on 56, Lori Markinen got most improved player in the NBA. Oh, nice.
So current guest.

Speaker 1 Just pretty much a whole, you know, every move that the Bulls have made has gone bad and they had all the right pieces and it's all fallen apart.

Speaker 7 And Alonzo's hurt bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, we made the play-in tournament.
Yeah, we did. We made the second play-in tournament.
There you go. Yeah, second round of it.
And then my cool throne is Morgan Wallen.

Speaker 1 So Morgan Wallen got his,

Speaker 1 he had a concert in Ole Miss. Everyone went to the concert, got beer, drank, hung out, and then he canceled the concert.
So people were very upset.

Speaker 6 Said he lost his voice.

Speaker 1 He lost his voice.

Speaker 1 The reason why he's on the cool throne, though, is that we then had people claiming they needed refunds, and this one woman tweeted out her itemized list of what she needs to be refunded for, and everyone just dunked on her instead of Morgan Wallen.

Speaker 1 So Morgan Wallen, shout out you because you have this woman backing you up. So she said, Morgan Wallen, since you're offering refunds, here's our itemized bill for you.
Hotel, is he offering refunds?

Speaker 1 I don't think so.

Speaker 1 that's that was the other part i didn't understand hotel 560 gas two tanks 80 tickets four of them sixteen hundred dollars my outfit 120 my husband's outfit 218 dollars oxford grill house 235 cracker barrel forty dollars los para parallel

Speaker 1 i don't know what this must be a mexican restaurant forty five dollars and then the best rebel rags which i assume is like the bookstore in in oxford because we wouldn't have had the the opportunity to go had it not been for this concert.

Speaker 1 $629.

Speaker 1 Drinks at the concert, $220.

Speaker 6 She spent $629 at the Ole Miss bookstore.

Speaker 1 She drill tweeted herself. She's like, someone help me with my budget.
$629 at the old Miss Bookstore.

Speaker 6 Stop buying candles.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 that's bold of her to request all this. I think he should refund the $400 tickets, right? Yeah.
Because if you just, if you cancel and you're a no-show at the last minute,

Speaker 1 do we know why he lost his voice do we know what he was screaming the night before no we don't that's that's my big question it was funny that people picked that to be canceling morgan wallen yeah this is actually good for him because now it's like i hate morgan wall and he's an asshole oh why oh because he didn't play that concert at old miss right right by the way the um man's outfit the husband's outfit that cost 219 kind of goes pretty hard so he's got he's got a he's got a just a

Speaker 1 button-down shirt, a Coca-Cola hat, some nice boots.

Speaker 6 He went hard at Brooks Brothers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's just very funny to see it and be like, we're like, did he not have, did he buy these clothes just for the concert?

Speaker 6 Yeah, that looks like every other shirt. He must not have any other shirts.
Yeah. If that's the one that he chose to wear to Morgan Wallen concerts.

Speaker 1 She also claimed, my husband has gone with me to two concerts ever in the 17 years we've been together. Somehow I talked him into this one and that and this shit happened.
So emotional damage as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Attack Attack on a couple K's.

Speaker 11 If I was Morgan Wallen and I lost my voice, like maybe just offer a partial refront and go out there and just play your songs and give people an experience, but be like, just stand up there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 But then you lose your voice more.

Speaker 11 I know, but just be like, I'm not going to sing. I lost my voice.
We'll give you a partial refund. Wouldn't that just be better for everybody?

Speaker 1 Probably, yeah, probably.

Speaker 6 Or at least go out there and have him DJ his own songs. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 So people can just jam out.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Either way, Morgan Wallen now on the cool throne because because of this woman's itemized list that was ridiculous.
We'll put a picture of her in the YouTube. Everyone go watch the YouTube.

Speaker 6 Has he issued like a formal statement on Twitter apologizing for things? I know that Tottenham Hotspur issued a formal apology for losing 6-1 to Newcastle. They did in the Tampa Lightning.

Speaker 6 But they're also going to refund the fans that went out to that game.

Speaker 1 Nice. So Morgan Wallenstein.
Yeah. Let's get this woman $4,000 that she asked for.

Speaker 6 Excuse me, Tottenham. I mispronounced that.
People get mad at me. It's Tottenham.

Speaker 1 It's also just funny because, like, you, a lot of those things, like, you were going to eat anyway.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but

Speaker 6 actually, the most concerned.

Speaker 1 $40 a cracker barrel doesn't seem like that much.

Speaker 6 That's the concerning part to me: that couple looks like they could do way more than $40 worth of damage at Cracker Barrel.

Speaker 1 Yes. Billy, your hot seat quote wrong.

Speaker 11 My hot seat is Chief Saholic. As we know, the draft is in Kansas City.
My reports on the ground are saying that he might resurface for the draft.

Speaker 11 He may be in Mexico, but he also may be hiding out in Kansas City.

Speaker 11 And the bounty hunter I talked to and some local police officers DM'd me and said that they're actively looking for Chiefs a Holoc at the draft. This isn't a warning to Chiefs of Holic to

Speaker 11 the surface, but if I was Chief Zaholic, the spot's hot.

Speaker 1 I kind of want him to go, though.

Speaker 6 I would love for him to go on stage when Goodell approaches the microphone.

Speaker 6 He just tackles Goodell like that dude at the Chappelle concert.

Speaker 1 Okay, cool throne.

Speaker 11 My cool throne is Ryan Garcia. So Pamela.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 it's funny because we should do like a tracker. Times I've mentioned Aaron Rodgers being gone out of my life.
Times PFT has mentioned the commander's sale. Times Billy's mentioned Chiefs of Holic.

Speaker 1 It's like, we got our plays. We just run them.

Speaker 1 We haven't been caught. We have our passion projects.

Speaker 11 He hasn't been caught. I know.

Speaker 1 You need to catch him.

Speaker 11 And then let him go. Or I kind of want to catch and release.
If he's in Mexico, I would love to do like

Speaker 11 an interview with him, like where we we blur his face and stuff, and like I get blindfolded to a secret location.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that'd be pretty cool.

Speaker 6 I would love that too if you got kidnapped in Mexico when they interviewed the Taliban.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 11 Uh, so Ryan Garcia turns out one of his sparring partners, who has a very hard to pronounce Mongolian name, Erdabat Sudbatar, apparently sent him to the hospital in training with a body shot.

Speaker 11 Oh, and the mole then leaked that information to a Dravante.

Speaker 1 So that sucks that you have someone in your camp that is leaking information, but

Speaker 1 it's not like Tank Davis wasn't going to try to hit him in the body. It's a boxing match.
Yeah. Right.
Yeah. Like, oh, maybe I'll hit him in the body.

Speaker 1 Because it also, like, it took him six rounds to hit him in the body.

Speaker 6 So I've got some inside information. This guy's weakness is he hates getting punched.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Really hard.

Speaker 11 But yeah, he, so that liver shot might have been.

Speaker 1 It still sucks. Like, yeah, it still would be brutal to have like your fight camp and then be like, there's a leak.

Speaker 11 Yeah, this guy got kicked out of the fight camp because he just was going too hard and sparring.

Speaker 1 That's badass. Yeah.
Okay. Wrap us up, Jake, and then we'll do some draft talk.

Speaker 10 My hot seat's Rick Petino.

Speaker 1 Be careful.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I will.

Speaker 10 I will.

Speaker 1 I'm pissed I missed this, by the way.

Speaker 1 I think you missed it too, PS. I did.
Yeah, you guys could have.

Speaker 1 So it's like one of our all-time misses. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 10 So Sunday, the ESPN broadcast at the garden, they were doing their usual stars around the area, celebrities, athletes. One of them was Rick Petino.

Speaker 10 And when they showed Rick Petino, you could see him mouthing his phone number, giving it to someone. So people called and texted that number.
He said he got over 300 plus messages.

Speaker 10 95% were nice and positive. And he got seven new lead recruits and he had to change his number.

Speaker 6 Damn.

Speaker 10 That was what are the odds that the second he's showing, he's reading his numbers.

Speaker 6 I wish that I was around for that. I really do.
I would have just called him up and said, Coach, we're all rooting for you. We love you very much, Rick.

Speaker 1 Come on, come on by.

Speaker 7 Come on.

Speaker 6 Come on. Come on.

Speaker 1 Just come on. Just come as come as hard as you want on this podcast.

Speaker 6 Come as you are.

Speaker 1 But be careful. Yeah.
With what we say. But

Speaker 1 crazy.

Speaker 1 That was crazy.

Speaker 10 Yeah. My cool throne.

Speaker 6 He's pissing down his leg right now. I'm just thinking about.
He's got a new phone. His phone out there.
Got a new phone.

Speaker 1 Got a new phone. All right.

Speaker 6 Okay. All right.
Sure. Sure, you did, Rick.

Speaker 1 I'm going to.

Speaker 1 Should we call that number? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you have it?

Speaker 10 I can watch the video and I'm sure someone's going to do it.

Speaker 1 Let's do it during Jimbos because this is a perfect Jimbo. Little preview for Jimbo's.

Speaker 10 Okay.

Speaker 1 My Cool Throne, the Pittsburgh Pirates.

Speaker 10 They've been made fun of a lot the last few years. PFT, you even had a bet on the Barcelon Sportsbook, exclusively betting against them for two straight years.

Speaker 6 Which was extremely profitable.

Speaker 10 Well, it wouldn't be this year because they are 16 and 7. They've won seven in a row at the time of this recording.
Maybe that'll jinx them, but just tip of the cap to the Pittsburgh Pirates. Yeah.

Speaker 10 With the Sacramento Kings doing that in the NBA, they've been made fun of. They've been bad.
The Pirates have been awful. And they're

Speaker 6 on your total sports rankings.

Speaker 6 They're probably like second to last. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, the Pirates are good.

Speaker 9 The Pirates are really good.

Speaker 10 The Pittsburgh Pirates, I have them

Speaker 1 at

Speaker 10 120 out of 124.

Speaker 6 Yeah. So, yeah, Jake reverse motion.

Speaker 10 That's the worst baseball team.

Speaker 6 I would like very much, Jake, if you could put a pin in this moment on this date and then track the Pirates' performance over the rest of the season before Jake talked about how to seen.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Good stuff. All right.
Let's get to our We got Daniel Jeremiah, or sorry, we're going to do Tom McShea first, then Daniel Jeremiah.

Speaker 1 Great draft talk with both of them.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend who I have texted with multiple occasions in the past year. It is

Speaker 1 Todd McShea, NFL draft expert. You're going to see him on Thursday night.
It is draft week. We're very excited.

Speaker 1 Todd, thank you for joining us. Let's start big picture.
My favorite question to always ask.

Speaker 1 Give us the three strongest position groups and three weakest in this draft so that we can go around and tell everyone, like, you know, this is the deepest cornerbacks have ever been or something like that.

Speaker 13 Yeah, cornerback is one of them. So you can start with that when you're having the conversation, six drinks in and trying to be an expert.

Speaker 13 You know, I think we're going to teach you guys in the top 10. I'll be surprised if Devin Wetherspoon from Illinois isn't the top 10 pick.
He's the most complete cornerback.

Speaker 13 And then the traitsiest corner in this class is Christian Gonzalez from Oregon.

Speaker 13 Then there's other guys like Emmanuel Forbes from Mississippi State, 11 career picks, six pick sixes, which is an FBS record during his career. But he's real thin.

Speaker 13 You know, he's 166 pounds, but I love his instincts and ball skills. And beyond that, I just think it's a really deep group of corners.

Speaker 13 I think probably five or six could wind up going in the first round.

Speaker 13 Then tight end. This might be the best tight end group that I've been a part of in the NFL draft in 22 years of doing it.

Speaker 13 Everyone knows about Dalton Kincaid from Utah, pass catcher, not a great blocker, but he's a difference maker after the catch and vertically.

Speaker 13 Michael Mayer from Notre Dame is going to be a stud. He's just,

Speaker 13 he's a complete tight end. He's not as explosive, but he can block in line and do all those things.
But beyond that, I think I have eight guys.

Speaker 13 I know I have eight guys that could go in the first three rounds, which is it's uncommon to have that many guys.

Speaker 13 Luke Musgrave from Oregon State is a really good pass catcher down the field. Sam Laporta, Iowa's got a tight end every year, right? Sam Laporta is this year's version.

Speaker 13 Brenton Strange from Penn State. I mean, the list goes on and on.
It's a great group.

Speaker 13 And then I would say probably edge rushers, just because you're lumping in kind of defensive ends and outside linebackers.

Speaker 13 Two guys, I mean, the number two overall pick, everyone thought CJ Stroud from Ohio State was going to be Houston's pick at two. I'm not hearing that anymore.

Speaker 13 I'm hearing it's come down to Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech, who's six foot five and change, 271 pounds long and powerful. Kind of reminds D'Amico Ryan's, the new head coach of Nick Bosa.

Speaker 13 I'm not saying he's Bosa, but he's got those kind of physical traits. And then Will Anderson, the outside linebacker, kind of just edge rusher,

Speaker 13 led the nation the last two years in sacks and pressures and hits and all the numbers that you look for. And the hardest working player at Alabama, maybe in this entire draft class.

Speaker 13 And talking to Nick Saban, he just, he couldn't, he could not keep enough praise on this young man. So those are the top two guys.

Speaker 13 Then you get down to like Nolan Smith and undersides, Bernouveran in the 4-3-9, this 40-yard dash.

Speaker 13 Lucas Van Ness from Iowa,

Speaker 13 he's loaded with talent and still kind of scratching the surface as a

Speaker 13 defensive end that can kick inside to defensive tackle. And Will McDonald from Iowa State, highly productive.
Another guy like Nolan Smith, not even 240 pounds yet, but will

Speaker 13 continue to add bulk. He's just bendy around the edge and flexible and he's relentless.
So there's a lot of good edge rushers, a lot of good tight ends, a lot of good cornerbacks in this class.

Speaker 13 Unfortunately, and running backs loaded too, but unfortunately, you know, I think when you get to the offensive tackle, guard, it's not a great class.

Speaker 13 Safety is tough to, I mean, there's not going to be a safety draft in the first round, which is rare.

Speaker 13 And then I would say off-the-ball linebackers, you know, the inside linebacker types, probably not a first-rounder in this year's class either.

Speaker 14 It's interesting because I've heard a lot of people say that the Texans are not planning on necessarily going with a quarterback at number two.

Speaker 13 Maybe I'm the dumb one.

Speaker 14 And yeah, we are kind of, I guess, an honorary part of Mills Mafia for Davis Mills. But setting that aside,

Speaker 14 am I insane? Like, Should the Houston Texans front office be arrested if they don't draft a quarterback?

Speaker 14 Why would you waste this opportunity to draft a quarterback if you're the Houston Texans and you are looking to still fill that role that Deshaun Watson left?

Speaker 13 Yeah, I hear you, man. I mean, I would take Stroud.
I would take Stroud at number two.

Speaker 13 There's some concern with him. You know, the cognition test came back and he had the worst score of all the quarterbacks.

Speaker 13 He's always had a great supporting cast. Like, if you're the guy who's pounding the table saying, let's not take a quarterback, you're looking at these things.

Speaker 13 But, I mean,

Speaker 13 find me a better take than Stroud versus Georgia. I mean, that's an NFL defense.
And what he did, he just ripped them apart. He almost ended the Georgia run.

Speaker 13 And I just think he's the best pure pocket passer in the class.

Speaker 13 Here's the thing. You got all these picks, right? You're picking at two, you're picking at 12.
You got like 11 picks, I think, in total this year. How do you walk into training camp?

Speaker 13 and say, all right, we feel great. You know, we've got all these really good players who are going to help us.
They're foundation pieces.

Speaker 13 You know, D'Amico Ryans was part of San Francisco where they built it on defense. But look at our quarterback room.
We got Davis Mills and Case Keenum as our top two quarterbacks.

Speaker 13 So if it's not two, they still pick at 12 again. And I've heard maybe Hendon Hooker from Tennessee is a possibility.

Speaker 13 I haven't heard anything about Anthony Richardson from Florida, but I do think he'll be available at 12. So it'll be interesting to see if they say, you know what?

Speaker 13 We can't get an edge like Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech or Will Anderson from Bama at 12, but we can get a quarterback. So maybe that's the route they're looking into.

Speaker 13 But if they exit this draft without utilizing one of those two picks on a quarterback,

Speaker 13 it's going to be hard to say. And listen, it's not about the fans.
It's not about the luxury boxes and all that, but it's going to be hard to sell this team to Houston fans. you know, moving forward.

Speaker 13 And yeah, everyone says, well, next year, Caleb Williams is a star. He would be the first overall pick in this year's draft coming out of USC, Heisman Trophy winner.
It looks like Mahomes out there.

Speaker 13 Drake May from UNC, loaded with talent. So, yes, there are a couple of quarterbacks that you can already see early next year.

Speaker 13 And if they don't draft a quarterback this year, maybe Houston will be drafting up there, but you can't count on it. Like a lot can happen.
One of those guys could get injured.

Speaker 13 You can win five or six games by accident and wind up picking fourth or fifth. And the top two teams need a quarterback.
So that to me is not a plan. That's a hope.

Speaker 13 And hopes get you fired in this business.

Speaker 14 Yeah, it makes it makes no sense to me.

Speaker 14 You are in a position where you're picking number two, there's some good quarterbacks, or at least some quarterbacks that people who are smarter than me, such as yourself, have told me project to be good quarterbacks at the NFL level.

Speaker 14 You're not going to what are you banking all your efforts on like finishing dead last next year? Because they couldn't even do that this year, they screwed that up at the beginning of the season.

Speaker 14 It just seems like it would be insane if they didn't use a first-round pick on a quarterback.

Speaker 13 Yeah, and I think that's the and it'll be interesting to see because you got to remember, like the, the information that's, that's leaking out of Houston, A, is it real? Right.

Speaker 13 You know, I don't know what they're, everyone knows that, that Bryce Young is going to be the first overall pick to the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 13 That's, that's dumb, you know, but they're trying to keep it quiet. Roger Goodell wants a good TV show for

Speaker 13 ESPN, ABC, and NFL Network on Thursday night, but that's done.

Speaker 13 So what is by

Speaker 13 By putting information out there about Tyree Wilson and Will Anderson, I love both players, but I don't know if there's a team that you're trying to entice to move up to go get those guys because they're scared they're going to be gone.

Speaker 13 Because if you take Will Anderson, then Tyree is going to be available. And Zach Carter is going to be available at defensive tackle and, you know, and so on and so forth.
So

Speaker 13 I just, I'll be surprised, but it will be interesting because, yes, information is leaking out of there. Is it real information? Nick Casario is like a CIA agent.
You know, he worked under Belichick.

Speaker 13 And so like, I don't know, but last year, we had no idea it was Derek Stingley until about a week before. And they were sending guys down there to see Stingley.

Speaker 13 And remember, they took Stingley ahead of the defensive rookie of the year in Sauce Garden.

Speaker 13 And so the information did come out at Houston. It was very late, almost like this.
So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 13 But ownership too, like the McNairs have to at some point get in and say, you know, there's been a lot of rumors about Casario, the GM, not being here in a long time.

Speaker 13 So maybe it's ownership that steps in and says, you know what? Don't care how the board lines up, don't care what you're thinking. This organization needs a quarterback.

Speaker 13 So that could be the wild Carter.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So you said something interesting there.
Anthony Richardson could potentially be available at 12. How is this? What are you hearing in terms of how it's going to play out?

Speaker 1 Because I would have assumed that with the Seahawks, maybe, obviously, the Colts are going to have quarterbacks, Seahawks, maybe, Raiders, like the Titans at 11.

Speaker 1 What would you say the latest that one of these guys is going to end up falling to when you're talking about Levis, Richardson, C.J. Stroud, Bryce Young going one no matter what?

Speaker 13 Yeah, Richardson has the fewest teams that I'm aware of that

Speaker 13 has been linked to. Let's put it that way.
We know Bryce Young's going one, right? CJ Stroud, if it's not two,

Speaker 13 I don't think it's going to be four. Indianapolis at four is the next team that needs a quarterback, assuming no one trades up.
And they've been linked heavily.

Speaker 13 Like, I think that's real with Will Levis. I think that's their guy.

Speaker 1 Right. Now,

Speaker 13 excuse me. That wasn't, that wasn't necessarily like all the information about Levis was there when Stroud was rumored to be the pick.

Speaker 13 But I still, all the information I'm getting is that Will Levis is going to go four. So if that's the case, now you've got two quarterbacks off the board and Stroud's still sitting there.

Speaker 13 Five, I've heard Seattle is, you know, everyone's going to tell you this week that Seattle's not in the quarterback market.

Speaker 13 And I don't know if it's going to be at five, but I'm told there's a very strong chance that they exit round one with a quarterback.

Speaker 13 Now, it could be five, it could be 20, it could be them moving from 20 back up to get a guy who starts to fall.

Speaker 13 I've heard with Seattle, Stroud's a possibility because he's young, and whether it's Stroud or Anthony Richardson, and I've heard Richardson there, but that's about the only team that I've heard with Richardson.

Speaker 13 Like, all these guys have been linked to different teams. Richardson's has got a little love in Seattle, but I've not heard many other teams with him.
But,

Speaker 13 But

Speaker 13 if Seattle is going to take a guy, it makes sense because Stroud's going to be 21

Speaker 13 before the,

Speaker 13 he turns 21, I think, in season or in Richardson. They're both going to be 21 as Rokies, Richardson and Stroud.
So if you've got Geno, you're at least going to sit him for a year, right?

Speaker 13 So you want a young quarterback. You don't want Hendon Hooker, who's going to be 26 next January.

Speaker 13 You don't want Will Levis, who's going to be 25 by his second season. So you'd rather a younger quarterback.
But if it goes Young one,

Speaker 13 Levis four,

Speaker 13 maybe Stroud five or six to Seattle or Detroit,

Speaker 13 then all of a sudden Anthony Richardson's the fourth guy up. And

Speaker 13 I've heard Houston has interest in Hendon Hooker, possibly at 12. And Indy, sorry, Tennessee is picking at 11.
I've heard has some interest in Hendon Hooker as well.

Speaker 13 If they can't move up, you go get there, guys. So it'll be interesting.
Richardson could be in for a little bit of a fall.

Speaker 13 I mean, because you get past 11 who's taking a quarterback washington apparently is happy with its situation but 16 i don't understand how they are but but they are and then tampa bay's at 19 and seattle's at 20 minnesota's at 23 so it could be a little bit of a long night for anthony richardson assuming a team like Minnesota from 23 or Seattle from 20 don't move up to get him somewhere in the teams.

Speaker 1 Okay, interesting. That's that's, I mean, the fall, that's kind of like how the draft, the drama of it is which guy's going to fall.
What's the chaos pick?

Speaker 1 Is it the Cardinals trading or is it the Texans not taking CJ Stroud? Like, what's the domino that you'll be like, oh, wow, this is everything we thought was going to happen is now out the window.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I think Houston. I mean, the draft starts at Houston.
That's the biggest question. I mean, filling out a mock draft is a freaking nightmare right now.

Speaker 13 Like, I'm just hoping I get some information. Like, I'm calling, I called Chef D yesterday.
I called. seven GMs and top scouts over the weekend.

Speaker 13 This weekend is usually the weekend you get the most information. And the information I had coming into the weekend is basically the same as what I exited with.
Nobody truly knows at number two.

Speaker 13 I'll say this, like, yeah, Arizona, Arizona is borderline desperate to move out. Everyone in the league knows it.

Speaker 13 I think they want to move back and take an offensive lineman at a better value and get more picks because they arguably have the worst roster in the league, right?

Speaker 13 So Arizona moving out, yes, it would be a domino,

Speaker 13 but I don't think it necessarily would be a shock.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 13 Where I think things are going to to be interesting on a couple fronts, I think five and six are the most intriguing picks because Seattle's sitting there and Detroit's sitting there.

Speaker 13 And for a while now, everyone's saying, I don't, you know, they showed a lot of interest in the quarterbacks. I don't know that they're going to take them.

Speaker 13 But if Stroud's sitting there and if Richard, if there's a little love for Richardson, I think both of those organizations are willing to, and remember, both organizations, Seattle and Detroit, have second picks in the first round.

Speaker 13 Seattle at 20, Detroit, a couple picks earlier at 18. So they have the leeway of saying, you know what, we're not planning on picking this high again.

Speaker 13 Let's get a young, cheap quarterback, try to develop him, and let's go get a really good player at 18 or 20.

Speaker 13 The other part too, at five and six, that's where Jalen Carter, arguably the best player in this draft, I would say from talent standpoint, my tape study, he's the best player in the draft.

Speaker 13 But you're dealing with a lot of immaturity, a guy who's not a self-starter and doesn't handle hard coaching well.

Speaker 13 If you're not going to start yourself and you're going to push back on hard coaching, coaching, where's the motivation coming from to get better and to be consistent?

Speaker 13 So I think Jalen Carter, if he doesn't go 5-6, and I'm being told there's a real likelihood he doesn't, I don't think he goes seven to the Raiders. He's not going eight to Atlanta.

Speaker 13 Jalen Carter, the best player in this draft, could go number nine to Chicago. And Chicago, remember, had the first overall pick.
They got DJ Moore, a number one wide receiver.

Speaker 13 They got additional picks from Carolina and could still get the best player in this draft than Jalen Carter if he slips to nine. That's that's crazy.

Speaker 14 And yeah, I've uh I've heard a lot of people say that he is the best physical player in the NFL, but you you mentioned like he doesn't take hard coaching well. Is that is that Kirby?

Speaker 14 Is that people at Georgia that are actually saying like they're not giving the most glowing reviews to their own guy?

Speaker 13 I have seven different, I've got a one page of seven different sources I've talked to. And I and I started it.
I had about five in shooting, December.

Speaker 13 And it includes

Speaker 13 quotes from the coaching staff yes um let's just put it this way

Speaker 13 as good as jalen carter was

Speaker 13 and as important as he was in his last two years winning winning national championships i don't think there are a lot of people in athens that are that are crying that jalen car is leaving town you know i think he's been a lot a lot to handle and I'm not saying anything that everyone in the league isn't saying and it hasn't been reported.

Speaker 13 Like I'm just, I'm just giving the information as to why and i'm not i'm not here to bash young men and i i pull for for all these guys as long as it's not like domestic abuse or something horrible uh but there's some you've got to have a strong veteran presence in that defensive line room and you've got to have a lot of good leadership on the defensive side if you're going to be comfortable bringing in jalen carter because he's got to he's got to be motivated from teammates i think to to in order to get him to to play at the level he needs to play at and that you would expect him to play at as a top 10 pick interest we'll We'll have a source off here because your sources are telling you some things.

Speaker 14 I've got a source that was giving me some information about a top 10 pick, Will Levis.

Speaker 14 My source told me that that video of Will Levis throwing the ball into the uprights from his knees from the 50-yard line is pretty fucking sweet.

Speaker 14 And then a team should actually to draft him because of how sweet that video is. So, like, we're stupid fans, and we watch it, we see a video like that, and we're like, oh man, that's awesome.

Speaker 14 That rocks.

Speaker 14 Are there any GMs, or any maybe owners, anybody in very important decision-making processes in the league that would be liable to see a video as dumb as that is and be like, I got to have this guy?

Speaker 14 Did you see that video?

Speaker 13 No, no, but it was pretty sweet. I'll give you that.
Like hitting the, he hit, I saw one of them where he hit the goalpost from like 50 yards out on his knees. Yeah.

Speaker 13 Like hit the actual goalpost and called it shot. Like, that's, that's hard to do.
But remember, Jamarcus Russell fooled us all doing the same

Speaker 1 it

Speaker 1 i'll get fooled every year with that like just show me those videos i'm like yup that guy's awesome uh i i was listening to something uh i think it was the podcast you do with kuiper and field yates a couple weeks ago you mentioned something it was kind of an offhand you know thing you threw out there that people think ohio state's 40-yard dash at pro days is actually 38 and a half yards how do they get away with that and what other schools are there things like that where it's like, Here, you know, watch the tape.

Speaker 1 The pro day is not as important. Because you were expounding on it and basically saying the private workouts is actually what teams really trust.
It's not the pro day.

Speaker 13 Yeah, it's kind of a running joke in the league that the turf was very fast at Ohio State was the point of it.

Speaker 13 And the running joke is they run the 40-yard, they run a 38-yard dash for the 40 in Columbus.

Speaker 13 If you go back and look at all the numbers, you know, all the wide receivers, you know, even like like Paris Campbell and guys you wouldn't expect, they're running the four threes and low four fours.

Speaker 13 It's pretty amazing. But truth be told, I do think the turf is fast, but they also have unbelievable strength and conditions.
Like those guys, those receivers run great time.

Speaker 13 Like Garrett and Olave a year ago, you know, Garrett Wilson, and who was the offensive rookie of the year for the Jets, and Olave had a great year as a rookie. They both ran it in Indy.

Speaker 13 Indy's becoming like a 39-yard 40, by the way. I mean, we have defensive linemen.

Speaker 13 I mentioned Nolan Smith running a 439 as an edge rusher yeah we had we had defensive linemen running consistently in the four fours and low four fives like indie used to be a notoriously slow track and now it's gotten so fast with the new turf that they're that agents are telling their guys like run here right running you know you could have a windy day in in manhattan kansas or you know anywhere in the whatever your pro day is but make sure you you run at the compine so it listen it was a long-standing joke about ohio state but um yes, like the importance of like the pro days are cute.

Speaker 13 They're fun. They're like, it's good for TV.
You get to see guys throw the ball. And, you know, this year, the trend was throwing it up against, you know, hitting the top of the indoor facility.

Speaker 13 Last year, it was rolling your left and throwing against your body. Zach Wilson, you know, went viral with his throw.

Speaker 13 And everyone tried to kind of copycat that. But ultimately,

Speaker 13 if I'm an NFL team and I know NFL teams are like, they put a lot more emphasis on their private workouts because they're making sure they're running their route tree. They're installing certain plays.

Speaker 13 They want to see how the quarterbacks react mentally as much as physically. So yeah,

Speaker 13 that's the background on it.

Speaker 14 Another little hack that some scouts could use is we've been staying on the show for a couple of years and we were lucky enough to talk to Kirk Goldsbury's coach at the

Speaker 14 class at the University of Texas. And they had a scout there from the San Antonio Spurs.

Speaker 14 And we've been saying for years that you need to measure a person's height up to their eyes because the rest of the forehead doesn't matter. That's wasted space

Speaker 13 from that point up.

Speaker 14 Because who cares if quarterbacks got a tall like forehead? Well, I guess Peyton Manning throws off those numbers, but the point is, get it up to their eyes because that's what really matters.

Speaker 14 That's where you see from. And the guy from the Spurs said, yeah, actually, last year we started to do that.
So some pro teams are actually just going up to the eyes.

Speaker 14 That needs to make its way to the NFL.

Speaker 13 I'm writing it down. I'm putting in my notes next year.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Measure to eyes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Kyler Murray.

Speaker 14 Kyler Murray's got tall eyes. Yeah.

Speaker 14 He's short, but his eyes are almost at the top of his head.

Speaker 13 So he has a short forehead?

Speaker 1 Short forehead? He's like a three head. Yeah,

Speaker 1 exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Speaking of height,

Speaker 1 I'm curious because we've seen the evolution of the quarterback position.

Speaker 1 You know, Drew Brees, shorter than, you know, Kyler, Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 Now we're sitting here, and you go way, you know, 20 years ago or 30 years ago, Doug Fluti can't get a permanent job on the NFL roster. And he, you know, in today's age, it feels like he would.

Speaker 1 Is Bryce Young, is his success going to make it so that we push this even further? Because he is an anomaly. Is he not? Like in terms of just frame and body size?

Speaker 13 Yeah, he's like a half inch shorter than Russell Wilson. And that was like the big deal.
Russell fell in third round. Bryce Young is going to be the first overall pick.

Speaker 13 So it shows how much the game has changed since Russell Wilson. Right.
And that wasn't that long ago, right? Right. Like he literally a third round pick.

Speaker 13 And now, and, and Scott Fitter, the GM, was on that, on that staff in Seattle when they picked Russell Wilson. And I truly believe part of the comfort level is like, we did it with Russell.

Speaker 13 We did it in the third round.

Speaker 13 Why can't Bryce do it? The game has changed. It's so much more spread out.
Quarterbacks are being more protected.

Speaker 13 And the biggest thing is with Bryce, like,

Speaker 13 he just, he processes faster than any quarterback i can remember coming out of college like he just and it's not just like from one to two to three with its progressions it's like and kirk herbstreet i'll give him credit he was the first one to say this it's like watching steph curry it's like when chaos is happening and everything it's like

Speaker 13 that's when it slows down for bryce it's when it slows down for steph and you see steph with like all these move like everything's going so fast and it's just like slows down makes the pass, stops and drops for three.

Speaker 13 Like, that's the same thing with Bryce.

Speaker 13 And I think that's what makes him different than everyone in this class but I think in terms of like what what it will do more importantly for guys that are able to protect themselves and yeah he missed the game last year he had a shoulder injury wasn't able to throw the ball for three weeks in practice until they had a bye week and that kind of freed him up but um but other than that he was durable at alabama and i think what you have to study is how guys protect themselves how they get out of the way of big hits, how they fall.

Speaker 13 You know, that's what Tuwatanga Bailo is doing with Jiu-Jitsu, I guess, right now, trying to figure out how to fall how to take a hit and where how how your body is gonna you know is gonna absorb contact better and so i think it to me it's as much about the weight you know he was at 204 but he's probably going to play at 195.

Speaker 13 can he actually stay healthy and on the field is going to be the big question and if he does then we're all going to study what what has he done how is it that he's able to do that and for other guys that are coming up the ranks do they have that same you know do they have the same field vision?

Speaker 13 Do they have the same maneuverability, the same flexibility that he has? Those are the things that are going to be interesting. He's definitely a case study

Speaker 13 in and of his own, if you will.

Speaker 13 Because, yeah, we've had shorter guys before in recent years, Russell being the, you know, the closest thing to, but we've never had a quarterback, especially going number one overall.

Speaker 13 Never had a quarterback this short and this lean.

Speaker 14 um that that's gone on to have success and we've never had one drafted this high to it yeah yeah it'll be interesting uh you you are a veteran of the mock draft game, one of the legends, one of the goats.

Speaker 14 Do you have a favorite mock draft that you've ever done, or your best mock draft that you ever put together? Do you remember like everything falling into line?

Speaker 14 You're like, Yep, that's an eight plus for Todd.

Speaker 13 Oh, geez, I forget the year.

Speaker 13 I've got the first eight picks right, and I was like, I am rolling, man. And it was like one of my, it was like my second or third year.
I wasn't even on TV, unfortunately. I couldn't brag to anyone.

Speaker 13 No one wanted to listen. No one, no one cared, nothing.
Anyone really cares now. But I got the first eight picks right.
I was like, shit, this is easy, man. Like, what's everyone so worked up about?

Speaker 13 Just eight in a row. It was like 2002, 2003.

Speaker 13 Since then, it's been kind of downhill.

Speaker 13 You know what you should do?

Speaker 14 You should do like, you know, Warren Buffett, every year he says he'll give a million dollars if anybody gets the entire tournament correct. You should do like Win Todd's millions.

Speaker 14 Todd McShea will award a million dollars if your mock draft gets all 32 picks correct.

Speaker 13 Yeah, because I'll never have to pay that.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 14 Yeah, that's that's the trick. I'll match.

Speaker 1 I'll match.

Speaker 14 And I'll double it, Todd. Yeah, I'm going to double it.

Speaker 13 Three or four years ago, I think I had like 12 guys matched perfectly to player to that team.

Speaker 13 And I was better than everyone like by a long shot. But I still, it was basically a

Speaker 13 third of the first round pick. So yeah, I'll do it right now.
I will do it right now. I will offer $1 million cash.
I don't have it sitting around, but I'll come up with it.

Speaker 13 I'll have to sell a house or something. $1 million cash right now to anyone that can prove, that turns it in, somehow can give video evidence that they got all 32 picks right.

Speaker 13 I will give $1 million to that. I love it.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 14 I'm going to double it. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And Big Cat's going to match.

Speaker 1 I'm going to match. I will match.

Speaker 13 But you have to submit it before the draft.

Speaker 14 If you submit something that's like video evidence, if you holding a newspaper or whatever,

Speaker 14 afterwards, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 It has to be i have to lay eyes you guys have like an email which people can submit them to this is a uh this is a bad idea

Speaker 1 for the for the email

Speaker 1 yeah i think it was it billy hot takes yeah uh billy what's billy's email address yeah sure billy hot takes it has to be submitted to him otherwise it won't be uh eligible it's not official yeah it's not official unless it's submitted to billy before the draft you can only get one submission and do we trust billy no that's the best part we can just be like oh he never got anything.

Speaker 1 So we don't have to pay any money.

Speaker 13 We're going to find out that Billy, Billy's uncle, wound up getting a perfect mock draft.

Speaker 1 I know. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 Has anyone, speaking of past mock drafts, has any player ever come up to you like in person and talk shit and been like, you were wrong? Like, look at how good I am?

Speaker 13 Not in mock drafts. I've had plenty of guys come up.
I mean, here's Brady Quinn's sister tried to

Speaker 13 say she wanted to slap me while we're in the red carpet at

Speaker 13 SB Awards one year.

Speaker 13 I mean, I've got a whole list. I've got a whole list of guys that have typically it was when they would come to Bristol for their car wash day.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 13 And either the agent or the player would say something. See my, we're doing this Zoom on my phone.
I've got a list on my phone, but yeah, Brady Quinn was not pleased.

Speaker 13 Brady Quinn's contingent was not pleased. Jimmy Clausen was not pleased at all.
I'm still waiting for Kuiper to retire. Yeah.

Speaker 1 By the way.

Speaker 1 He did not. Yeah.
You know what? We won't give the million dollars if anyone gets perfect until Kuiper retires. That's also part of this deal.
Okay. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 1 Because he has to, he has to, he said, what was the exact quote? Jimmy Clausen will be like a 10-year starter or something.

Speaker 13 Todd, I promise you, I promise you, you can mark it down right now. If Jimmy Clausen doesn't go on to have a very successful year, a successful career as a starter in the NFL, I will retire.

Speaker 1 He's still waiting.

Speaker 13 for Beta.

Speaker 13 He didn't say what year he would retire.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 14 Smart guy. Would you consider yourself to be a draft expert or a draft guru?

Speaker 13 Analyst at best.

Speaker 14 How do you attain the rank of guru?

Speaker 13 I think 30 years.

Speaker 13 And you got to win a mock draft like one out of every three years, probably, something like that. I don't know.

Speaker 13 I have not reached the status, though.

Speaker 1 Okay, you got to.

Speaker 13 We'll give Kuiper guru.

Speaker 13 He started the whole business.

Speaker 1 He gets guru. Yeah, that's fair.
That's fair.

Speaker 1 I saw, Todd, you had a beautiful propaganda piece in the New York Post today being like, oh, yeah, Joe Douglas and I are best friends, but we never talk.

Speaker 1 That was really smart of you to throw that out there, get everyone off the scent.

Speaker 1 When is Aaron Rodgers going to be a jet?

Speaker 13 I'm going to guess.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, a guess. Go ahead.
Yeah, do your guess.

Speaker 13 When is this running?

Speaker 1 When is this running? Wednesday.

Speaker 13 He will be a jet by Wednesday.

Speaker 1 So when this runs,

Speaker 13 when this runs, Aaron,

Speaker 13 the only thing that could take away from that is if they decide they want to announce with the 13th and 15th pick. And

Speaker 13 I believe there's a chance as of...

Speaker 13 as of when we're taping this, there's a chance that they could swap 13 and 15. But I think

Speaker 13 whether the Packers are on the clock at 13 or the Jets are on the clock at 13, depending on how that goes,

Speaker 13 that's when they could announce it. But by the time this airs on Wednesday, I will be shocked if the two teams have not agreed to terms on Aaron Rodgers going to the New York Jets.

Speaker 1 I love it. I love it.
And that's Ty McShay, best friend of Joe Douglas. But I have not talked to Joe Douglas.
Yeah, you know, no, no, right, right, right, right.

Speaker 1 Read the New York Post. Never talks to them.
They don't talk.

Speaker 1 They're just talking about

Speaker 13 when we try to get together over the summer.

Speaker 1 Right, right, right. Of course.

Speaker 14 Yeah. I don't talk to my best friends either.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 13 Honestly, I mean, so much can happen, but there's confidence. There's confidence that it's going to get done.

Speaker 1 Let's put it that way. I like that.

Speaker 8 I'm curious.

Speaker 14 Just, I like to assign like draft value for current players that are in the NFL right now.

Speaker 14 How much would Zach Wilson be worth in a trade?

Speaker 14 Could you get a fifth round, sixth round, seventh round pick for him?

Speaker 13 I will go fifth.

Speaker 14 It's higher than I thought you'd say.

Speaker 13 I'll go fifth round. I mean, it's only been two years.

Speaker 13 Injuries were part of the issue, but certainly there are other issues.

Speaker 13 But there's still talent there.

Speaker 13 I would give a fifth to bring in Zach and give him a fresh start somewhere new. I would.
I'm interested to see how he handles Aaron Rodgers and how Aaron Rodgers handles him.

Speaker 13 Apparently, they have a decent relationship and it could be the best thing that ever happens to him. Sit behind Aaron for two years and

Speaker 13 learn a lot, yeah, and um, and and take from him and see if he can rejuvenate his career in a couple of years. And if not, then it's time to move on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I mean, he is bad,

Speaker 10 but his ceiling is bad for the most.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right,

Speaker 1 that would be the one counterpoint. He's bad at playing quarterback, which is his job.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 who would you rather have

Speaker 1 Zach Wilson

Speaker 1 or

Speaker 14 Christian Hackenberg.

Speaker 13 I mean, obviously, Zach Wilson.

Speaker 1 Oh, there you go. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 13 Hackenberg was an all-timer, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I fell for the Hackenberg hype, too.
Him and Ryan Mallett, big 10 quarterbacks with huge arms. Yeah, you're just like big guys with big arms.

Speaker 13 It worked on Josh Allen, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 13 True swinging, man. Just take hats.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 1 we just only tell our winners, never our losers.

Speaker 1 Give us a player that

Speaker 1 maybe the regular

Speaker 1 national audience won't know, but you love,

Speaker 1 whether it be a first rounder, maybe someone who's going to sneak into the first round, just a guy you love.

Speaker 1 You're putting your foot in the line in the sand being like, this is my guy.

Speaker 13 I love Kalija Cancey from Pittsburgh. Everyone's talking about Jalen Carter, and they should.
And

Speaker 13 if he turns out and plays to the level he can, he's going to be an absolute star. But Kalija Cancey, he's not Aaron Donald.
It's easy to make that comparison. He's short.
He's He's undersized.

Speaker 13 He ran slightly faster than Aaron Donald did in the four or fives, I think it was. It's a ridiculous 40 time.

Speaker 13 And he comes from Pittsburgh. So easy comparisons there.
But he's just, he is the most disruptive player, not named Jalen Carter for interior defensive lineman.

Speaker 13 A lot of people are saying late first, could be early second. I think he goes in the top 20.
So Kalijah Cancey is going to be an impact player. And another player that's catching steam recently,

Speaker 13 I talked to seven guys in the league over the weekend. And I think six, five or six of them asked me about Jameer Gibbs, the running back from Alabama.
And all the talk is about Bijan Robinson.

Speaker 13 Where is he going to go? He could go number eight to Atlanta. Will Philly move back a little bit and take him from that 10 spot, maybe down two, three, four spots? Could he go to Detroit at 18?

Speaker 13 at 21 to the Chargers. Will Dallas move up from 26 to go get Bijan? All the talks on Bijan, right? But there's going to be two running backs taken in in the first round this year.

Speaker 13 So if you got one of those prop bets and it's one and a half, I believe,

Speaker 13 take the over. It's going to be two in the first round.
And Jameer Gibbs is an absolute stud. He's Alvin Kamara type.
You know, Dalvin Cook. Like, he's going to, yeah, he's going to get nicked up.

Speaker 13 He's not always going to be starting for you, maybe 14, 13, 14 games a year, and maybe only 15, 17 touches a game, but he's so explosive that he's going to be worth it.

Speaker 6 Can you give me a mystery team?

Speaker 14 Is there a mystery team lurking out there that might move up and take a quarterback that we haven't even thought about?

Speaker 13 Ooh, that's a good one.

Speaker 13 I mentioned Seattle.

Speaker 13 I don't think Minnesota is going to move up from 23, but I do think that they, I think that if Henry Hooker falls to them at 23, they could. Trying to think if there are any other mystery teams.

Speaker 13 I mean,

Speaker 13 Detroit would be an option. if they don't take a quarterback at six from 18.
I'm hearing they're very happy with Jared Goffer.

Speaker 1 I'm also, I concur. Yeah, they are.

Speaker 13 They are. But

Speaker 13 yeah, but Jared, but how long is Jared Goff going to be their guy? And

Speaker 1 if you have an opportunity for

Speaker 13 maybe, maybe you take advantage of life cheap guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 14 They're going to bury him in Detroit.

Speaker 13 All right.

Speaker 1 What about

Speaker 14 San Francisco?

Speaker 13 No, I mean, they brought in, they've got Brock Purdy. Trey Lance, I think, is going to be moved, but everyone's saying in the draft or day two or whatever it is,

Speaker 13 I don't think that they're going to move Trey Lance until

Speaker 13 the value is high. Trey Lance is going to miss some time this year coming off the injury.
I would guess it's going to be like in season or maybe next offseason if they wind up moving Trey Lance.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 they brought in Sam Darnold too. And I know everyone laughs at Sam Darnold.
He'll be with what, his third team now. But Sam Darnold could,

Speaker 13 listen, it doesn't take a ton of talent with the quarterback position.

Speaker 13 You've got all those weapons and that defense around you, and you've got the coaching of Kyle Shanahan to have success in that scheme. So

Speaker 13 I think Purdy and Sam Darnold are going to wind up being the guys this year.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I actually think this is the first year where, you know, whenever the Ravens would draft, we would always say, like, that's a great Ravens pick.

Speaker 14 The Ravens get another A-plus in the first round of this draft. They just

Speaker 13 from Baltimore and he's Jesus.

Speaker 13 You know, Ozzy, Ozzy used to be his best friend. Now, Eric DaCosta, the new GM's, his best friend.

Speaker 13 There's a reason they get an plus every year like they they could go out and trip over themselves they could they could miss a pick like minnesota did 20 years ago by the way this is the 20-year anniversary of minnesota just not turning in a pick and kuiper would still give them an a plus like great job great job uh ozzie gave him the hard count right there tried to get him to jump off sides we'll take the five-yard penalty yeah i think i think the new team that does that is uh the 49ers i think whoever the 49ers take in the first round this year i'm going to be like that's such a smart pick great job well you'll be waiting a while because they don't pick in the first round.

Speaker 14 So there you go. Okay.

Speaker 1 Great pick.

Speaker 14 Whenever they make their first pick, I will be like, that is a perfect, perfect pick. Yeah.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I think they pick at 36. They've got three picks in the top 50, but I think their first pick is at 36.
Okay. My mistake, that's why we have you.
Yeah, but

Speaker 13 it's already stepped in. You're going to be talking about pick 36 about it was the best pick so far in the draft.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. First round talent.

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Speaker 1 I have to ask, as we have you on, are the Bears going to trade out of nine? Or if they don't, who should I be happy that they pick? I don't want them to take B. John Robinson.

Speaker 1 What are you hearing? Just tell me.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
So tell me, is this going to be Skoransky? Is it going to be trade? What's going to happen?

Speaker 13 I think there are three names you should know. I do think they would trade out if

Speaker 13 one of these guys is not of, you know, if two or three of these guys are off the board, or if they just get a really good deal.

Speaker 13 I'm told that Pittsburgh's a team that's looking to move up to go get an offensive lineman. But listen, they need defensive line and they need offensive line.

Speaker 13 I think if they get an option to move back, they possibly could.

Speaker 13 But I think Jalen Carter is option number one, one the defensive tackle from georgia if you get the most talented player at number nine after trading out of that number one pick with dj moore and and and all the picks that they got that's got to be a win right yep if it's not carter i'm actually told like storonsky makes sense i get it i'm told paris johnson from ohio state the left tackle could be a right tackle is the guy that they're really looking at fits the traits that they want and um certainly you know if justin fields is going to be your guy moving forward you got to protect them better they've got to have a better offensive line They've got to block better in the run game.

Speaker 13 So I think it's most likely they stay home and it's either Jalen Carter or Paris Johnson Jr. from Ohio State.
I think Skoronski is a possibility, but he would be third on that list.

Speaker 1 Okay, I feel good about it. The beauty of having a bad roster is any pick, you can be like, well, that was neat.
So it's great.

Speaker 13 I think they're going to turn things around pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 I do too. They're back.
I mean,

Speaker 13 Ryan Poles is doing a really good job. I think

Speaker 13 they finally have direction. Like they have a coaching staff that's working with their quarterback instead of against them.
They have a general manager who gets it.

Speaker 13 I think that this, we're going to look back on this draft, getting DJ Moore, our number one receiver, getting all these additional picks, solidifying the offensive and defensive line as much as they can.

Speaker 13 This will be kind of the foundation year. I'm not saying they're going to have a Jets haul or a Seahawks haul from 2022, but we'll look back on this draft and say, you know what?

Speaker 13 This helped help them get to the next level.

Speaker 1 Yes, I like to hear that.

Speaker 1 It's going to be like that, the famous steelers draft whatever year that was where they got like five hall of famers that's what's going to happen this year feels good all right uh i'm glad i could give you hope yeah i appreciate it well todd thank you so much appreciate you uh stopping by i did do my job i i texted you multiple times this year i will do it again this year about who's going to be the wisconsin coach i yeah yeah yeah well you told me we have we have a very a very um defined relationship what can i do for you okay i'm here it's transactional all right so i'm gonna start i'm just gonna start just popping off and sending you pictures of my kids that you just said you you got that you got that also i'm gonna send you some coffee so boom all right

Speaker 13 i've started drinking coffee more this year okay 46 years later i was a diet diet pepsi guy diet coke and then i learned aspartame so i went to diet pepsi But now

Speaker 13 I can't get past like 7 a.m. without a cup of coffee.
Yes. I never used to drink it.
Weird.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Weird.
All right. I'm sending you coffee.
I get it now. Yeah, it makes sense.

Speaker 1 This morning, i actually made my pot of coffee went to go pour it just didn't put any of the coffee grounds in so you need it you need the stuff yeah

Speaker 1 it was just a it was just hot water sitting in the pot and i was like god damn it

Speaker 1 um all right well thanks so much tod good luck on thursday you got it guys always fun i'll talk to you soon

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Speaker 14 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our good friend. He is a draft guru.

Speaker 1 Well, actually, we can start there. It's Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network Move the Sticks podcast.
We have Todd McShay on this episode as well. We're doing all the draft talk.

Speaker 1 And I think PFT asked Todd McShea if he's a draft guru, or what was the other option?

Speaker 6 Guru, expert, or analyst.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So which one are you?

Speaker 8 Yeah, analyst, easy answer.

Speaker 8 Guru is kind of gross. Like,

Speaker 8 that sounds sounds kind of gross.

Speaker 8 Expert, expert is arrogant. And then analyst seems, that seems accurate.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah. With the Dalai Lama, he kind of ruined the term guru recently.
You don't want to be tied up in any of that stuff.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I think Todd said the same thing. I think he said analyst.

Speaker 6 And really, that's actually a very philosophical question because you acknowledge that you're not a guru, that might make you the truest guru of them all.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah, that's that's like going three levels deeper than I was able to get.

Speaker 1 That's solid. Yeah, so it is draft week.
We're diving into all the draft coverage.

Speaker 1 We've had extensive conversations with a couple people, but we want to get you on, see what your thought of everything is. So let's start big picture right now.
We're sitting here.

Speaker 1 It's Tuesday, two days away. Has there been anything big that you've heard movement-wise in the last 24 hours that is surprising you, whether it be a quarterback, whether it be Jalen Carter?

Speaker 1 There's a lot of different angles on this draft.

Speaker 8 I think I've never seen so much conflicting information.

Speaker 8 You talk to a lot of general managers, you talk to a lot of teams,

Speaker 8 you get in touch with the agents, see what they're hearing about their guys, all this kind of stuff. And it's just all over the place.

Speaker 8 So I think that's going to make for a good draft because we literally have no idea what's going to go on. But like just some of the stuff in the last 24 hours.

Speaker 8 I think Zay Flowers from Boston College can be the first receiver picked ahead of Jackson Smith and Jigba, which I think would surprise a lot of people.

Speaker 8 You know, that was one. Jalen Carter, I literally had one GM text me and said,

Speaker 8 Schneider will not be afraid to take Jalen Carter at five. And literally within 24 hours, another GM said, there's no way that Schneider is going to take Jalen Carter at five.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, but

Speaker 8 what do I do with that?

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 8 yeah, it's all up in the air. And then the quarterback thing, I feel like Rice is going one.
And then after that,

Speaker 8 you know, all the all the noise away from Stroud at two.

Speaker 8 On that one, I'm just going to kind of trust my gut and go back to what makes the most logical sense. And I'm just going to put Stroud of Houston.

Speaker 1 That does make sense. We've had that same thought.
So I do want to talk about Jalen Carter real quick because there is a lot of intrigue with him.

Speaker 1 The off-the-field stuff that everyone knows about.

Speaker 1 So from a, if you're sitting in a war room, because you were a scout,

Speaker 1 forget the off-the-field stuff.

Speaker 6 His talent is immense.

Speaker 1 He's probably the most talented guy in the draft. But I have also heard like the whole, he's not a self-starter.
It's, you know, the motivation things.

Speaker 1 How much does that play in when you're sitting in a war room and you're talking about this? And how much does that scare you off such a great talent like that?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because you hear that, and I've heard that about, you know, does he like football as, you know, the effort and all that kind of stuff wrapped up with all the off-the-field things.

Speaker 8 And I went back through my notes. I'm like, okay, where do I have that he was loafing or dogging it? I'm like, I don't, I don't have anything like that.

Speaker 8 And then I'm like, okay, well, this guy knew if he didn't play a down this year, he was going to be a a top five pick.

Speaker 8 He gets hurt the first week of the season with an ankle, comes back and plays, then gets a knee, and then came back and played at the end of the year.

Speaker 8 So I'm like, there's a lot of evidence saying this guy likes football and cares about it and plays hard, and he's a dominant player. Like, I'm 100% comfortable with who he is as a football player.

Speaker 8 It's just, you know, whether you get to know him personally and feel like you can, you know, feel good about where he is in other areas of his life.

Speaker 8 But the football, for me, I didn't have any questions.

Speaker 1 I like that answer because I think that there's been now a

Speaker 1 story written about Jalen Carter and like that he's not loving football, but you're telling me the tape that you watch and the fact that he's playing with injuries, it's completely contrary to what the popular belief has become.

Speaker 8 And, you know, look, and I, in practice, maybe it's a little bit different.

Speaker 8 I talked to a coach on their staff, but and I asked him specifically about this, and he was like, look, the days that he really wanted to go,

Speaker 8 he said, we couldn't do anything offensively. Like, they go ones against ones, they go best guys against best guys.
Like, we couldn't do anything.

Speaker 8 Like, that's how dominant of a football player he was.

Speaker 8 So, maybe, maybe that reputation is born out of maybe a practice here or there, but everything I saw on the game tape, I didn't see any evidence of that.

Speaker 1 It's also hard for big guys to practice, just in general.

Speaker 6 You know, you know what it is. Yeah, question.
It's the anonymous scout.

Speaker 6 There's an anonymous scout on the loose. I feel like it's been a few years since we had a good anonymous scout just blowing up somebody's reputation before the draft.

Speaker 6 And it's probably just leaked out there hoping that Jalen Carter will fall a couple spots further than, you know, there's one team that's like, we just got to get him past Seattle and then we're going to step up and grab him.

Speaker 6 So whenever I hear all that stuff like that's anonymous coming out before the draft, I always assume it's just like a GM trying to put out a smokescreen.

Speaker 8 My favorite thing about the anonymous scout thing is when I was in the league, it used to be,

Speaker 8 you know, because in seeing it from the media side of things, they always say, hey, if you can't identify the person, like, let's just get as much information out there as you can.

Speaker 8 So like, say, I'm working in Baltimore,

Speaker 8 a report would come out, an anonymous AFC North scout, and you're like, oh, crap, they're going to think it's me.

Speaker 8 I promise it wasn't me. Everybody, oh, we text all our buddies with the Steelers and the Bengals and the Browns.

Speaker 8 Well, maybe not the Bengals because they only have a couple scouts, but the rest of the three of us would text each other about like, oh, oh, it's you, huh? You're the anonymous guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 Do you think you got your reputation as being a great talent evaluator? Because Mel Kuyper is a Baltimore Ravens fan. So after every draft, he would be like, Man, the Ravens really killed this one.

Speaker 6 And you'd be like, yeah, yeah, we did. Great job, Austin.

Speaker 8 Yeah, the Baltimore Ties. No, I think it worked out well that we had a lot of good drafts.
And then Mel happened to be from Baltimore. So maybe he amplified the message.

Speaker 8 That's the way I would look at that one.

Speaker 1 So one last thing about Jalen Carter and this more like big picture when you're talking and you're analyzing these guys.

Speaker 1 Is there something in the scout room, in the war room, where you say, if a guy's so talented, Yeah, maybe he doesn't try practice all the time. Like, is that okay?

Speaker 1 Because I feel like some of these guys, especially big guys, it's like, yeah, why do they have to go 100 all the time when they can turn it on for game tape?

Speaker 1 They're not a guy who's trying to make a roster. They have that talent.
They know when to push the pedal and when to, you know, hit the brakes.

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 8 it's a conversation we had in Baltimore with Holodinata because there was a lot of talk about him and you could see it with him on tape.

Speaker 8 And what people didn't realize is this is like the beginning of the Oregon offense where they were running, you know, fast pace.

Speaker 8 So, and people didn't pay attention to the fact that Holodi Nado was playing every snap. He's playing like 85 snaps at 340 pounds.

Speaker 8 And then, you know, you're in college where it's bubble screen right and left. He's having to chase those things all day long.
And so, yeah, he's not going to be able to go.

Speaker 8 There's going to be plays where he just stands there and does nothing because the guy's tongue is at his waist. So, I think with big guys, you have to take that in.
You have to factor that in.

Speaker 8 But the NFL practice, the other side of it is NFL practice is a thousand times easier than a college practice.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Interesting.

Speaker 6 You talked about C.J. Stroud and the Texans a little bit earlier.
There has been some movement this morning, though. Will Levis, in terms of the odds makers, he's gone way up.

Speaker 6 I think he's the favorite to be drafted second overall. I think he's like, I want to say it's like plus 600 or something like that.

Speaker 6 So Will Levis, something's happened in the last 12 hours where somebody has put some money on Will Levis to move up. Have you heard any of that at all? Do you think there's any credibility to that?

Speaker 8 I don't.

Speaker 8 To me, Indianapolis has been the team I've connected to him, and a lot of people believe it'll be Indianapolis with him. I would be shocked, stunned,

Speaker 8 astonished if the Texans took him at two. I don't see that happening.
That would blow my mind if they did that.

Speaker 8 And then at number one, I saw his odds went up there with number one. I mean, I felt like that's that decision feels like it's been made.

Speaker 8 So I don't see either one of those. Now, to me, like Will Levis comes into play maybe at three.

Speaker 8 Maybe, you know, I know Arizona wants to trade out of three, and everybody you know pegs the Colts as the Will Levis team so maybe there's somebody likes Will Levis you know Tennessee you know somebody like that that wants to come up to three but I can't see him going one or two yeah I've got the numbers right in front of me right now he went from 50 to one to five to one overnight to go second overall yeah that's that's a crazy movement at the last second here Yeah, and to me, I think that would, the way that would happen would be if there was a trade.

Speaker 8 I do not think Houston takes him at two. So if somebody wants to come up and Houston goes back, then Levis goes too.
But that's the only way I see that happening.

Speaker 6 So dovetailing off that is we talked to Todd about this, and I'm of the mindset that the Texans would be insane to not draft a quarterback with a high pick this year.

Speaker 6 If they do move back, maybe they still move back in the top 10, top seven, and they end up getting a quarterback that way. But would

Speaker 6 Am I wrong to think that it's totally nuts to not take a quarterback if you have the opportunity to draft second overall and you're the Houston Texans?

Speaker 8 I've been singing it from the mountaintops.

Speaker 8 It doesn't make any sense to me logically. And that's why I can hear all the buzz and all the chatter and, you know, people swearing that they're not going to take Stroud.

Speaker 8 And I just keep coming back to the same three names. Like, you're really going to run this back with Davis Mills, Case Keenum, and E.J.
Perry. Like, you're ushering in a new coach.

Speaker 8 You're trying to get some excitement in the organization, the fan base. I've been there a couple of times with the Chargers the last few years.

Speaker 8 It's not a great game day atmosphere right now.

Speaker 8 And it used to be awesome when they were rolling. It used to be a great place.
Now it was just kind of,

Speaker 8 there was no life in the building.

Speaker 8 And the way you do that is you get a young quarterback and you give a team and a fan base some hope.

Speaker 8 And I don't know the whole like, well, we'll just, we'll take somebody at two and then we'll take, we'll wait for a quarterback at 12, or maybe we'll trade back up.

Speaker 8 Like getting cute, people always talk about that stuff. It never happens.
Like if you believe in Daniel Jones at 17, you end up taking him at six. You know, like that's the way that usually goes down.

Speaker 8 So I would,

Speaker 8 it doesn't make any logical sense for me for them not to take a quarterback at two.

Speaker 1 How do you have your quarterbacks ranked? Top five.

Speaker 8 So I have, yeah, I have it. If you looked at it, kind of like tears, I have Bryce by himself.
I thought he was clearly the best one. A little bit of a gap, then Shroud, and then

Speaker 8 a gap again. And I think it's literally a coin flip with Levis and Richardson.
I think they're both wild cards.

Speaker 8 I think, you know, the odds are one of them's probably going to end up being really good, and one of them is going to be a bust. And I don't have a strong belief or feeling in that either way.

Speaker 8 Probably going to be dependent on where they go.

Speaker 8 But to me, I thought the number one and number two, I thought those were the clear cut one and two.

Speaker 1 Just from like an analysis standpoint, what would be the breakdown of on-field play versus ceiling?

Speaker 1 Like, because that's kind of what that discussion comes down to with Will and Anthony Richardson is the tantalizing ceiling versus what we saw them do on Saturday.

Speaker 1 So how do you guys judge that in the room?

Speaker 8 Well, I think about it just like it's a journey of where they could ultimately get.

Speaker 8 And so you have to be able to decide where they are, have the discussion about where they are now, and then how far they have to go and how far they can go. So

Speaker 8 I think

Speaker 8 it's a pretty fluid conversation. And when you're going through that, I just think the way I'd explain it is Will Levis is further, he's further along on his journey

Speaker 8 than Anthony Richardson, but he doesn't have as far to go. I mean, Anthony Richardson could go way past Will Levis.
There's so much more there with him.

Speaker 8 To be honest, if Anthony Richardson had the same exact tape, but had played 23 games instead of 13 games, I probably would have that flipped. But the sample size to me is

Speaker 8 what bothers me because the track record of guys with that limited number of starts is not great. That's what scares me about Anthony more than anything that I saw on the tape.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah. If a quarterback or a player in general, you could say has all the traits and they check all the boxes, but they're a little bit raw and you need them to develop at the next level.

Speaker 6 Are there any traits that you look for that you would say, okay, this guy, he's got what it takes to continue to mature, like the mental side of his game?

Speaker 8 Yeah, I think that's the key.

Speaker 8 So if you look at guys that came out that were raw coming out of college that weren't finished products, the recent guys that have been big hits, everybody's going to point to Mahomes and to Josh Allen.

Speaker 8 And those guys had work to do to continue to develop. Mahomes was just raw.
I mean, it was like...

Speaker 8 screens and scrambles at Texas Tech, obviously the huge arm, but just kind of dialing in his footwork a little bit. And then Josh, you know, had to clean some things up.

Speaker 8 He's kind of overstriding, which impacted his accuracy. He was too aggressive because his team wasn't any good.
So he got into some bad habits there.

Speaker 8 But the thing, those guys, the lesson you take from it is those guys are both incredibly smart. Their work ethic was like off the charts coming out.

Speaker 8 And they were, you just bet on those guys.

Speaker 8 So if you have all the talent and then you're intelligent and you have the work, the work ethic to go along with it, that makes it a lot easier to bet on those guys.

Speaker 8 That's why it's hard on this side of it. You know, with Anthony Richardson, I've heard it's good.
I've heard he's smart. I've heard he's a good worker.

Speaker 8 But teams that get to spend a lot of time with him are going to have an even better feel on that. And I think that's where your conviction comes from.

Speaker 1 Billy's got a question, a rare Billy question.

Speaker 11 I was just wondering, what's your opinion on going from the Wonderlick to this new S2 cognition test, Bryce Young? Bryce Young scored amazingly on it.

Speaker 11 What do you know about the test and why have teams gone to this new cognition test?

Speaker 1 Good question.

Speaker 8 Yeah,

Speaker 8 I had been talking about this over the summer because I I love baseball. And I had heard talking to some of my buddies,

Speaker 8 actually a GM in baseball, was telling me about how they've done this test for a long time and wanted to know if it was starting to catch on in the NFL.

Speaker 8 I'd literally never heard of it as of this summer. So he was explaining it to me.

Speaker 8 And he said, look, it's been very accurate with baseball because if you think about how fast you have to process, you know, the release point, the spin, you know, the location of a pitch, like I can't imagine how fast you must think and process to hit a 98-mile an hour baseball so it had been a big part of their scouting process and then i then in talking to some nfl teams i found out okay yeah there's there's uh you know there's i think half the league has been using this for the last five or seven years or so and they're still in the process of trying to get enough data to know what you know what positions it matters and and and the relevance of it but it seemed to be over the summer they were saying that quarterback that there's been a correlation between how they do on this s2 test and and how they do in the nfl and And they said, the way it was explained to me, there's guys that have scored really well on it that have been bad players, but there haven't been players that have bombed it and been good players.

Speaker 8 So it was kind of like a gateway to kind of through the evaluation process. So that's how I understood it.
And the way it was explained to me was, it's like on a computer and

Speaker 8 there's all these different areas that they, you know, that they try and evaluate you. One of the explanations was you might have six shapes that pop up on the screen and one of them's different.

Speaker 8 Like how fast can you identify the different shape, things like that.

Speaker 6 It was enough to scare me off of ever wanting to take it i can tell you that much i would love to get my hands on that actually i would like to put hank through the s2 cognition test if he could did you not do you work for s2 get in touch with us we'd like to do business with you

Speaker 11 so do you think cj stroud's 18 out of 100 isn't going to affect his his draft stock at all

Speaker 8 You know, that was something I think with the teams that have all the historical information would have a better answer for you on that one.

Speaker 8 I just know, you know, I always looked at like tests with whether it used to be the Wonderlick or whether it was the athletic tests.

Speaker 8 I wanted to see something that was different than what I saw on the tape. And then that would allow you to do more work.
That's the way I always looked at that.

Speaker 8 But like when I watched Stroud, I go back through my notes. I didn't have any questions about him processing.
I didn't have any questions about him getting stuck.

Speaker 8 You know, you see some guys, you can literally see it. It's like they're frozen.

Speaker 8 Like they'll get through number one in their progression and then they're just, he's not there and you'll see him freeze and they're stuck.

Speaker 8 I didn't have any notes like that. So it would have been more personally to me if you heard, okay, he had done poorly on one of these things.

Speaker 8 And then, oh, gosh, well, that matches up with that one little question that I had on him.

Speaker 8 That would be a red flag, but I didn't have that.

Speaker 6 What about some of the non-quarterbacks? What about the tight end position? Because we've heard about Dalton Kincaid, right? And he's the presumed first tight end taken.

Speaker 6 But I've also heard, and this might be a gambling thing, but Mayer has been moving up.

Speaker 8 Well, I like, I've had Kincaid as my top guy just because of, you know, where you, where you put your value in the tight end position.

Speaker 8 Like, to me, I'm going to lean more towards a guy who can make plays, somebody that's going to be a little bit more friendly in the passing game, and I'll sacrifice a little bit of the run game stuff.

Speaker 8 Mayer's a better inline blocker than him. He's just more physical.
So he's more of a traditional, you know, why tight end, hand in the ground, old school tight end, and he's going to fit every team.

Speaker 8 Like every team in the NFL can use Michael Mayer, and he'll be able to play and have a nice, solid career.

Speaker 8 I think with Kincaid, you just get way more upside in the past game, and you live with him as a run blocker.

Speaker 8 But, you know, the way the game's set up right now, I want my tight end to be more of a friend of the quarterback than the running back.

Speaker 1 How much does conference matter when you're analyzing these guys? Because Texas Tech obviously has a defensive player that is mocked to go as high as three, some people are saying, in Tyree Wilson,

Speaker 1 or even two with D'Amiko Ryan's, you know, he's fits the, Mick Shea was saying, kind of the bosom mold.

Speaker 1 But it has been, I believe it was like nine years since the last time a top 10 Big 12 defensive player has been selected, Justin Gilbert, who wasn't good in the NFL. So

Speaker 1 does that weigh into it at all? Where you're like, hey, Big 12 just doesn't produce top end defensive talent. Why are we overthinking this and taking a guy who plays in the Big 12?

Speaker 8 I think it does. I think teams are lying if they say it doesn't.

Speaker 8 You know, I thought you were going to go back to Zach Thomas, like the Texas Tech great defensive player.

Speaker 8 I'm sure there's somebody in between those two, but I can't think of it off the top of my head.

Speaker 8 I like him a lot.

Speaker 8 I like him a lot as a player, but where I would say that school thing comes into play is if you're, you know, you give the same grade to Will Anderson as you gave to Tyree Wilson, and then you're in the room and somebody is a Tyree Wilson guy, and they're going to talk about how he's taller, he's longer,

Speaker 8 he's a little more athletic.

Speaker 8 And then my comeback in that room would be, yeah, I've seen Will Anderson play against NFL players for three years, and he's dominated in in that conference and literally you go back and you watch the cutups like last week i went back and watched some of his production from previous years and it was like oh yeah there's jamari sawyer he started like 14 games at left tackle in the nfl last year and it's just one player after another you're like oh nfl player nfl player like that has to factor in i think it it makes it the evaluation uh i i think you eliminate some of the uh some of the low end uh floor of a player when you see him play there and and talking to baseball buddies on the baseball side of things like the SEC baseball, they said it's like the equivalent of AA baseball.

Speaker 8 Right. So they treat that totally different than if you're a player that's

Speaker 8 playing at some other college or some other conference.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 8 So I think you have to factor that down. I think you'd be dumb not to.

Speaker 1 What about,

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 going off of that, and we know

Speaker 1 we have all these like draft cliches, like the Steelers will always get great wide receivers. They seem to be able to nail that.
What about the reverse?

Speaker 1 What schools are you like this position, they just do better than everyone else? We've heard a lot about Ohio State wide receivers and how they get coached up.

Speaker 1 Is there a certain school or you could go conference where you're like, you know what?

Speaker 1 If we pick this guy at this position from this school or conference, there's a pretty good chance he'll be a good pro.

Speaker 8 I always felt, and teams I worked with, we always felt if you get guys that's offensive linemen that started in the Big Ten for like, you know, 40 games, they might not ever be a great NFL player, but they're going to play because they're all going to be smart and tough and you can play with them.

Speaker 8 You know, they might not be elite players, but those guys hang around. They play for a decade.
So Big Ten offensive lineman's always been a thing.

Speaker 8 You go to tight ends like Iowa. You know, you get a tight end from Iowa.
They've had a heck of a run

Speaker 8 at that position. So that would be another one.

Speaker 8 Trying to think of who else, what other ones would be out there.

Speaker 8 You know, the interesting one is going through some of the notes, getting ready for this draft, like Penn State, I don't think they've ever had a corner drafted in the first round, or it's been like a million million years since they've had a corner drafted in the first round.

Speaker 8 So it kind of, it does kind of work both ways where you see some trends.

Speaker 8 You know, USC has been actually a wide receiver school over the last

Speaker 8 15 years or so. They've had a ton of wideouts.

Speaker 6 Yeah. I feel like Washington has had a lot of good defensive backs too.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yes, yes. And I would say Utah, Utah has had a lot of good secondary players.
They've had a ton of like safeties that have come out. Another school, Cal.
Cal has like a weird number of safeties.

Speaker 8 They have like six safeties in the NFL from Cal. And I mean, mean, obviously, they haven't been good.
All right.

Speaker 8 Cal has not been good, but somehow they've figured the safety thing out.

Speaker 1 There's a bunch of states.

Speaker 6 Also, we should mention LSU, DBU. I know that there was a lot of conversation about that, about Texas.
No, it's LSU. LSU is DBU.

Speaker 6 This is a take I've been mulling over. I think I'm ready to finally unveil it and discuss it publicly, but it's been bubbling for the last couple years.

Speaker 6 And this year, I looked at the 40-yard dash times for defensive linemen because these guys are freaks, right? We had five guys run beneath a 4-5, the fastest being Nolan Smith of Georgia.

Speaker 6 He ran a 4-3-9-40.

Speaker 6 Is it possible that defensive linemen can become too fast?

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 That's interesting. Overpurs.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So

Speaker 8 with Whiteouts, we have that conversation with Whiteouts because if you're going 4-3, to gear down and stop and change direction, it's a lot.

Speaker 8 You want to be just fast enough, but not.

Speaker 1 John Ross. John Ross.
Yes. Yes.

Speaker 14 You've seen

Speaker 8 Ted Ginn. Like you could go through a lot of those guys who it's hard for them to gear down.
And with a lineman, I mean, get off is still everything.

Speaker 8 So, I mean, the 40, I wouldn't even really look into that because you still want to just see, can they explode

Speaker 8 as a defensive lineman? But I guess, you know, to me, they're never going to get up to a top enough speed where they wouldn't be able to turn the corner.

Speaker 8 You know, they're turning the corner within eight yards.

Speaker 6 I was just thinking

Speaker 6 you could over pursue and leave a big gap that could be exploited in the running game.

Speaker 6 So if you have a defensive end that's running, he's coming down the line of scrimmage, could over-pursue, boom, the backside's open for a cutback. Or a tackle would know this guy is a speed demon.

Speaker 6 He's going to be getting around me. And so, you know, just on a natural pass rush, he leaves that side of the field open as well.

Speaker 6 Now, it's interesting that you brought up the wide receivers because I was thinking that as a quarterback, you probably would like your receivers to be running in the same neighborhood of quickness so that you don't have to adjust your timing, your throws, you know, depending on which guy you're throwing it to.

Speaker 6 It can't be all over the map. You can't have like one slower guy and then two faster guys.
Again,

Speaker 6 these are the stupid takes that I spend too much time on.

Speaker 1 These are good theories.

Speaker 8 No, these are good theories.

Speaker 6 There might be a small kernel of truth in there.

Speaker 8 So the receiver thing is actually, I think it's really interesting because when I was in Baltimore, Brian Billock used to always talk about we want to build a basketball team.

Speaker 8 So you want to have one, you know, a bigger receiver is like your power forward, then a smaller quick guy, be your point guard.

Speaker 8 Like, he wanted different skill sets and different sizes, and that's been a philosophy of a lot of the league.

Speaker 8 McVay and Shanahan have kind of changed that a little bit, where they wanted all their guys to be interchangeable.

Speaker 8 Like, if you look at the receivers the Rams have had, from you know, uh, look at Van Jefferson, Cooper Cup, Robert Woods, like those guys are all interchangeable.

Speaker 8 The one time they went outside that, they're like, okay, well, maybe we get Allen Robinson, like kind of that more physical power forward. It didn't work, he didn't fit.

Speaker 8 So, so it's, and now, obviously, the Shanahan McVay trees gone all over the NFL.

Speaker 8 And that's been, you know, hey, let's get guys that we can put any of them in any spot, and it allows us to run our offense that way. And I would think,

Speaker 8 to your point, as a quarterback, you know, I've got all similar guys that are going to be really, really efficient route runners. They're not going to be stiff.

Speaker 8 They're not going to be straight line, over-the-top speed guys. I would think it makes life a little easier on them.
So

Speaker 8 I think you really stumbled onto something with that one.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Awesome.

Speaker 6 I'll bill you.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Give us a team that you think could be like a disruptor in the first round, that they might,

Speaker 1 you've heard rumors that they might be moving up or they might even a team that will trade back. I know the Cardinals really want to trade back, but what are your disruptor teams lurking out there?

Speaker 8 Well, I mean, we talked about the Rams.

Speaker 8 The Rams pick 36, I believe.

Speaker 8 The Rams haven't been anywhere close to the first round in a very long time, and it's almost like they have not been been invited to the first round party for several years.

Speaker 8 And I feel like their car is parked right outside the house. And I would not be surprised if they, you know, let's just, we can get in.
Let's go. Let's let's move up.
They have tons of picks.

Speaker 8 They have a zillion mid-round picks. So maybe that we get to finally see the Rams pick in the first round.
That would be a disruptor.

Speaker 6 Ooh, I like that. My prediction on that is the, when do the Patriots pick?

Speaker 6 The Patriots are 14th. They're 14th.
So Belichick loves to just trade back and accumulate fifth rounders. He would like to build the entire draft out of fifth rounders if he could.

Speaker 6 I wouldn't be surprised if,

Speaker 6 I don't think that they're going to pick at 14. Do you think that's a realistic scenario?

Speaker 8 Yeah, everybody in that range wants to trade back. It's just a matter of anybody who's going to come up.
So they've got to find a partner. But what if our thing came together?

Speaker 8 What if somehow the Rams traded with the Patriots?

Speaker 8 Then, I mean, how do we celebrate that?

Speaker 6 If we call our shot on that.

Speaker 8 Yes. Like, that's a pretty bold shot.

Speaker 6 That is. Yeah, I think Hank Hank should have to get a cat.
Yeah. I think he would love that.
Okay.

Speaker 8 Hank gets a cat. Nah, man.
That's good.

Speaker 1 What is the one player that you have that you are like in love with and maybe everyone's not talking about? Could be, give me an offensive and defensive player.

Speaker 1 So two players that you, this is Daniel Jeremiah's like line in the sand. This is my guy.

Speaker 8 Yeah, there's been two guys through the whole process for me. So Devin Witherspoon, the little corner from Illinois,

Speaker 8 I just loved him from the first time that I watched him. So he's like my, he's my fifth overall player.
He started out as like my sixth player. So he's, he's been there for me the whole time.

Speaker 8 I, he's just so feisty and tough. I think that's like the trait in corners.

Speaker 8 If you look at bust rates and guys that haven't worked out, a lot of times it's not because they weren't fast or fluid or they couldn't play the ball.

Speaker 8 A lot of times because they just weren't competitive and tough and feisty. Like he has all those traits.
So I loved him. And then offensively, it was Kincaid.

Speaker 8 So the first time I watched Kincaid was, I think it was like the Thursday night game against USC.

Speaker 8 And he had like 16 catches for over 200 yards. And I was like,

Speaker 8 they cannot stop this guy. And then I went, dug into the tape and I thought, oh my gosh, I see Kelsey twice a year doing the Charger games.

Speaker 8 And you never want to, you know, I don't want to compare him to Kelsey, but the ability to just get away from people at the top of his route that Kelsey does that just is incredible.

Speaker 8 I think he's got some of that to him. So those would be the two guys that I love.

Speaker 1 That game was just further proof that Utah playing at Utah at night is not fair because I remember

Speaker 1 USC in the first half, it was still sunny out and they were killing them and then the sun set and Utah just absolutely murdered them in the second half. You're like, oh,

Speaker 1 this is what it's like here.

Speaker 8 Yeah, no, it's not a friendly place to play. I remember going up there to scout Eric Weddell like back in the day and going to a night game.
And this was when they were Mountain West and it was...

Speaker 8 It was a great atmosphere, man. One of the underrated college football atmospheres.

Speaker 1 And there's always smoke in the air. I feel like they let off fireworks and it just lingers the whole second half.
You're like, what the hell is going going on here?

Speaker 1 Why are they playing through smoke?

Speaker 1 It's incredible. I love watching games there.

Speaker 6 There's another quarterback out there that was projected to go a lot higher, Hinden Hooker, but he tore his ACL.

Speaker 6 I guess a two-part question. One, where do you think he would go if he hadn't torn his ACL? And two, do you think it's still a lock that he's drafted in the first round?

Speaker 8 Well, I don't think it's a locked into the second part. I don't think it's a lock he goes in the first round.
I think it's a coin flip.

Speaker 8 There's teams that really like him, but it's just, it's hard to see that many guys go in the first round. So I would not be shocked if he did or if he didn't on if he does.

Speaker 8 I would say if he stayed healthy through the process, he'd have been a lock and probably would have been a top 15 pick the way he was trending, the way he was playing.

Speaker 8 You know, the three concerns with him, the three knocks on him, yeah, obviously the age was one of them, the injury and the offense that he played in.

Speaker 8 And I think the, you know, the injury teams that I've met or talked with that have met with with him and done the full workup, cleared him, said he's going to be fine.

Speaker 8 They're not concerned about the injury.

Speaker 8 The offense, kind of that simplistic Tennessee offense where the old Baylor offense where they spread you sideline to sideline, the teams that have brought him in and met with him and put him on the board and watched tape with him said he's really smart.

Speaker 8 They think he'll be able to adjust and pick it up at the next level. So that wasn't a concern.
And the age, you can't do anything about the age. It is what it is.

Speaker 8 But I think he would have been a lock to be a top 15 pick, maybe a top 20 pick at worse.

Speaker 1 Is the age thing changing a little bit for quarterbacks now the quarterbacks are protected more? Or was it always just a maturity thing like they have less growth?

Speaker 1 Because like Joe Burrow obviously was old. He's been phenomenal.
Kenny Pickett was old. He's had a great rookie.
He had a great rookie year.

Speaker 1 Is that shifting a little bit? Because I'm always curious about the shift of how you guys analyze even small quarterbacks like Bryce Young 20 years ago, no one would have touched him.

Speaker 1 And now it's like, hey, this guy is phenomenal for what he does. He's small.
But so how does that slowly shift over time, how you guys view these things?

Speaker 8 Well, I think it's totally shifted. Number one, it used to be the age was a huge asset when you get a younger player like that.

Speaker 8 And then I think what you've seen is that the bust rate of the younger guys has been much higher than the older guys.

Speaker 8 You're better off taking the Justin Herbert, who's played a ton of college football, than maybe, you know, obviously Trey Lance, what we've seen early with him just didn't have a lot of playtime.

Speaker 8 So I think the age thing is not, you know, is not as big an issue as it used to be.

Speaker 8 And then from the size standpoint, I argued with some teams about this because there's still some old school thought about Bryce and how he's just physically not going to hold up. So I was curious.

Speaker 8 I went back and watched like every time he got hit. I was able to sort the video and watched every time he got hit last year at Alabama.

Speaker 8 And I don't have the number in front of me, but I think it was 18. I counted 18 times he got hit.

Speaker 8 It would have for sure been a penalty, possibly a fine, and maybe even a suspension. Like if this was in the NFL, the way they let them hit him in the SEC, like it was the Thunderdome.

Speaker 8 And there was not even penalties, like nothing. Just get, I'm talking, like, helmet to helmet, drive him into the ground, nothing.

Speaker 8 I'm like, he's going to be more protected in the NFL than he is in the SEC, hands down. And they're like, well, you know, I still think, you know, with this frame, he ended up missing a couple games.

Speaker 8 I'm like, yeah, well, go back and look last year. How many starting quarterbacks of the 32 made it to full 17?

Speaker 8 Like, you should go into the year assuming that your starter is probably going to miss two games.

Speaker 8 The majority of them do.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's a good point.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I hadn't actually thought about how the rules and the way the game's officiated makes a huge difference with the quarterback play. My last question for you is regarding Baltimore.

Speaker 6 So you're plugged in in Baltimore.

Speaker 6 Is there any chance something happens with Lamar Jackson during the draft?

Speaker 8 I don't think so.

Speaker 8 I think it's pretty complicated. If it were to happen, I think that'd be tough to pull off like in the middle of the draft.
So

Speaker 8 I would be surprised if he's not there.

Speaker 8 To me, the thing that makes the most sense, not having any information from inside the the building, but just for them to kind of go forward, it makes sense to give him

Speaker 8 a little sugar over what he's already making.

Speaker 8 And, you know, they gave him that low tender, give him, you know, a couple million dollars extra as kind of like a peace offering, just to make sure that he goes, you know, he shows up on time for training camp.

Speaker 8 And then, you know,

Speaker 8 maybe part of that agreement is they agree not to franchise him or something like that. You know, so it seems like there's a short-term compromise if they can't reach a long-term agreement.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 My last question. I saw you did a Reddit AMA, which that was stupid of you,

Speaker 1 but you had a couple questions that weren't answered.

Speaker 1 One I'm going to re-ask and one I'm going to give you a tip on. So

Speaker 1 we're going to give you a tip on how to deal with the internet. You told us a lot about the draft.

Speaker 1 One of them you didn't answer was what was the worst smelling prospect that you ever

Speaker 1 encountered?

Speaker 1 That's kind of a fun question.

Speaker 1 That has to be part of it, right? Like if a guy smells, maybe if he smells really bad, he's got that dog in him, though.

Speaker 6 Or maybe it was just Chris Long because he came out of a little waking base.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Could have been.
Could have been. And the other one,

Speaker 1 yeah, if you have an answer for it, I don't know if you have an answer.

Speaker 6 I'd like to know.

Speaker 8 Worst smelling prospect.

Speaker 1 Or if you want to go best smelling.

Speaker 8 You know, I was trying to remember who it was.

Speaker 8 I want to say it wasn't the smell, but it was at the weigh-in there early in the morning, and this is going back a million years ago.

Speaker 8 And now he's a coach and he's had it he's done a nice job but Dave Ragone was easily the most disheveled person I've ever saw at a weigh-in

Speaker 1 coming out of Louisville like he had literally it like it was like a the most amazing bedhead that you have that you've ever seen so that was that was one that stood out but I he might have he might have just put deodorant on in lieu of combing his hair so I don't know how he smelled that's that's good and then the last thing is a tip for you so uh if you ever go on the internet and have people ask you questions you're always going to get the question uh ass or titties you need to just answer every time like we answer, a woman's mind.

Speaker 1 So just say that. It's an easy one.
Just be like, nope, the brain actually is what I'm attracted to.

Speaker 1 It's great, too, because the person asks the question, there's just a bunch of people underneath being like, he's not going to answer that.

Speaker 1 You walked into it. Yeah, brain.
The brain. The brain.

Speaker 1 Or the bank account. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Well, Daniel, jeremiah thank you so much uh look forward to watching on nfl network it's always fun catching up with you uh so much i we love the draft we love the draft we love what you do so you put in a ton of work and uh appreciate you always coming on uh you guys are great man i i thought you were gonna hit me with the the hot dog sandwich thing or whatever but uh What is that?

Speaker 8 Why were they still doing that?

Speaker 1 I know. We're past that.

Speaker 6 It's over. We always say if somebody asks you that question on the internet, they're a cop.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it's also, yeah, it's those and then people who will like go online and just be like, Bacon's overrated.
And you're like, okay, dude, we know what you're trying to do here. Just stop.

Speaker 8 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Come on.

Speaker 8 That's it. We got to be smart in that.
I like that.

Speaker 1 Yes. All right.
Well, thanks so much, man. I appreciate it.
Yep. Good luck.

Speaker 8 I appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's finish up with Jimbo's, the return of Jimbo's. Also, Jake, you have Rick Petino's number.
Can you call him, please?

Speaker 6 Yes, I will give it a go.

Speaker 1 So, PFD, you think he didn't change his number?

Speaker 6 I personally don't think that he did. What a movie.
He's got too many recruits in there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Poe Rico. Oh.
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Speaker 1 That was

Speaker 6 shockingly short call, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 yeah, we tried, we didn't play it out all the way, could have gone on, play it out again.

Speaker 1 Wait, hold on, okay,

Speaker 1 ready, ready,

Speaker 1 go

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Speaker 1 Oh, no, you don't. You gotta let the Spanish go.
Okay, okay, here we go. God damn it.
Here we go. Ready?

Speaker 6 We're timing it. Yeah, come on.

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Speaker 1 19 seconds. All right, we're making progress.

Speaker 1 We love Rick Potato. He's going to come on the show.

Speaker 6 Yeah, he will. He'll come on.
He'll definitely come on.

Speaker 1 No, we already did that. All right.
Jimbo's.

Speaker 1 Oh, Max. Sitting in the power seat.

Speaker 1 Don't worry, Hank is here for the lottery ball.

Speaker 1 See if he gets it.

Speaker 7 I took an edible on Friday.

Speaker 5 30 minutes later, it really kicks in. I go and pour a Siroc coconut drink into a 26-ounce water bottle.
Probably a $15 drink.

Speaker 5 Set it on the kitchen counter, go to move my MacBook, and dump the entire drink on the computer and kitchen floor. While cleaning up, I have to get orange juice for my kid that is going to bed.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, Jesus Christ. Father?

Speaker 6 You got to time this better, buddy.

Speaker 5 With my kid that is going to bed with mom, and I'm so high that I managed to dump the entire bottle of orange juice on the same kitchen floor.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 5 My wife walks in after hearing the commotion, looks at all this, and just says, Are you okay?

Speaker 6 Is this guy Mr. Bean?

Speaker 6 That's like, that's that's one of the situations where you're so high and you realize you've gotten yourself into a situation where you have like five errors that you have to clean up in a row.

Speaker 6 And that is the absolute worst. Yes.

Speaker 1 By the way, we did a terrible job. I did a terrible job of introducing this for longtime listeners.
They know what we're doing right now. Jimbos are

Speaker 1 started with Jim Tom Sula when he's like, you know, when you should have thrown a pass and you ran the ball instead. that's a Jimbo.
So he called his own fuck-ups jimbos.

Speaker 1 So we should do this back in the day. Fuck-ups, we figured because Max

Speaker 1 slept in his girlfriend's roommate's bed,

Speaker 1 that was a jimbo.

Speaker 6 You slept with your roommate's girlfriend. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You slept with your girlfriend's roommate.

Speaker 5 I fell asleep with my...

Speaker 1 You slept with her. No, no, no.
You slept with me.

Speaker 6 This is the no-hitter debate all over again.

Speaker 1 Did you sleep? Were you sleeping?

Speaker 5 No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Yeah, were you sleeping? She was sleeping. You were sleeping.

Speaker 5 I fell asleep.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So what do you call it?

Speaker 6 If you went to sleep last night, what did you do?

Speaker 5 I fell asleep.

Speaker 1 Rondi did something similar. What did he do?

Speaker 9 He just slept with them.

Speaker 11 Nothing else.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 5 This next one starts off whatever.

Speaker 6 You're so funny.

Speaker 5 This past week, I was staying at my girlfriend's house one night, and we went out and got pretty drunk that night. I woke up in the morning to myself actively pissing the bed.

Speaker 5 Thank God she was already up

Speaker 5 getting ready in the bathroom to leave for the afternoon, giving me a chance to hide it for the moment and then time to wash the sheets all afternoon.

Speaker 5 I finished putting the clean sheets back on about five minutes before she got home.

Speaker 1 Bullet dodged.

Speaker 6 All right, PGIT. This is another thing I haven't brought up on this show in a long time, but it's important to refresh people's memories.

Speaker 6 I had a similar situation, and I think a lot of people out there have in the past, where they've gotten up in the middle of the night after drinking drinking, and you're peeing somewhere that you're not supposed to pee.

Speaker 6 Or you wake up the next morning, maybe an alarm clock is covered in pee. Maybe your keyboard might be covered in pee.
Things happen from time to time.

Speaker 6 So, what I started doing, I would just, while I was sober, and maybe as I was starting to drink on a weekend, I would just repeat to myself the mantra of PGIT, PGIT, which is a helpful

Speaker 6 acronym to remember, P goes in toilet. PGIT.

Speaker 6 So, that way you're working on it, and it's buried in your subconscious that every time you pee, you're saying to yourself, let's make sure this is toilet, PFT. It's a helpful tip.

Speaker 6 And I never peed anywhere besides the toilet, besides that, unintentionally. So it worked for me.
Hopefully, it'll work for you guys out there, too.

Speaker 6 Just start saying, when you're sober, every time you pee, if you think you might find yourself in this situation, PGIT, PGIT, PGIT.

Speaker 1 I just love that this guy actively was pissing when he woke up. Like, whoa, what the fuck? What are you doing, dude?

Speaker 1 Like, you're just pissed at your own penis. You're like, God damn it, man.
We could have waited a couple seconds.

Speaker 6 You got a mind of its own.

Speaker 5 Fuck up for the week. I work at a bank and had a client I was working with and needed some assistance.
The business was named Community United Methodist Church. I sent out an email.

Speaker 5 I sent an email out to a few coworkers with the subject line, need help with calm.

Speaker 5 In my head,

Speaker 5 it didn't even cross my mind that it was anything but an acronym for Community United Methodist.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 6 I always thought that Patina was a Catholic.

Speaker 1 I'm going to get a text from this show.

Speaker 1 I feel like this happens, though, in work where you just, you know, what you got to do is you just got to reverse it and be like, if you thought it was anything else, you're the dirty mind.

Speaker 1 Like, get your mind out of the gutter.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's true. They probably, if you're receiving an email from a church and it has that in there, you read it and you're like, whoa.

Speaker 6 And then you see, oh my God, this is probably coming from a squeaky clean type person who I'm the bad guy in the situation.

Speaker 1 They're not even thinking about it. They made that church name before come even existed.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Next, I bought a new bike lock and was in my car trying to open it with a big folding knife. And I said to myself, this is probably really dumb.

Speaker 5 And then my hand slipped and I stabbed the fuck out of my finger and had to go get stitches and a tetanus shot.

Speaker 1 Dude, is there nothing worse than the moment before the moment where you're like,

Speaker 1 this is a really stupid thing? And then you just keep doing it?

Speaker 1 Like, there's no worse feeling when you know you have that like out-of-body experience. You're like, don't jump off this thing.
This knife is sharpened. You have your thumb in the way.

Speaker 1 I did that a few months ago at the office with Bagel Monday. And I had, there was a really sharp knife.

Speaker 1 I was like kind of tired because it was during football season, and I was like, you should probably move your thumb a little out of the way and then just fucking slice the shit out of it.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 those are tough moments.

Speaker 6 I actually blame the packaging in this situation because I got to assume that those solid plastic packages that everything comes in, those are responsible for more injuries than probably trampolines.

Speaker 6 Those are probably the number one cause of minor injuries. I've always learned if there's something that's coming in that sturdy plastic packaging, just get a pair of scissors out.
Just use scissors.

Speaker 6 Don't try to open it yourself. Don't try to like tear it open with your teeth.
Don't use a knife.

Speaker 6 Just get scissors immediately and save yourself like 20 minutes of frustration and a trip to the emergency.

Speaker 1 The most emasculating thing is when you cut yourself on the plastic. Yeah.
Then you're like, I could have just cut myself with the knife and made it easier. At least I would have gotten it open.

Speaker 6 The plastic gets under your fingernail and puts you there. Whoever designed that, they're real motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 The specific packaging is just the worst.

Speaker 1 It works, but god damn it, it doesn't suck.

Speaker 5 Got a little drunk after the Timberwolves win karaoke Kendrick's Mad City without skipping any of the words.

Speaker 1 I'm whiter than Billy.

Speaker 6 I'm whiter than Billy.

Speaker 6 Is this how Morgan Wallen lost his voice?

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 1 this one.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 There's nothing really to say about this one. That's a jimbo.

Speaker 1 That is a jimbo.

Speaker 1 Karaoke is so dangerous, too, when you're with anyone at work or anything.

Speaker 6 It's designed to make you look foolish and it's fun it's so much fun i but you need everyone to be the equal amount of drunk yeah there's because if there's one sober guy like or one sober person they're like hey remember that last night and then unless you're a really good singer there's just a handful of songs that you should you should stick to and most of them are the songs that everybody's going to sing along to sing wagon wheel yeah let everybody else sing it for you i heard that in i think it's the philippines they take karaoke very very seriously And there are a few songs that are like sacred over there.

Speaker 6 So if you try to sing My Way by Frank Sinatra and you fuck it up, they will beat the shit out of you. Oh, I like it.
You will get beaten up.

Speaker 6 I think people have gotten killed over messing up My Way by Frank Sinatra. I respect that culture.
Yes.

Speaker 1 All right, last one. Last one.

Speaker 5 Hey, PMT fellas. On the weekend, I went to a party at the apartment of someone I've never met.

Speaker 5 After I went to the bathroom to return some of the beers, I noticed that the toilet had a bidet attached,

Speaker 5 and I decided I wanted to see how it worked. I had no idea I was in for a full-on jet stream aimed right at my crotch.

Speaker 5 In a panic, I went to turn the dial the opposite way to shut it off, not knowing it turns on both ways and got a double dose of water shooting at me.

Speaker 5 Had to spend the rest of the night explaining to people that I didn't explode into the front of my pants.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a ballsy move to do your first bidet experience at a party. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You got to have like the comfort of your own home or like, you know, a nice hotel.

Speaker 6 I did mine at the Lake Charles, at the LeBerre's Resort, the Penn property down there. It does shoot out harder than you would think.
It's not necessarily gentle.

Speaker 6 You learn to adjust it so it's not a fire hose.

Speaker 1 I'll say it. Bidets, sus.

Speaker 1 They're sus.

Speaker 6 They're nice.

Speaker 1 They're sus.

Speaker 6 They're nice, but there also needs to be a drying mechanism that comes right after.

Speaker 1 And maybe like a high five. Yeah.
Like a hand comes out and it's like, good job, bro. Or

Speaker 6 it needs to play like a beer commercial or some sort of swimsuit ass.

Speaker 6 You feel masculine.

Speaker 1 It has to give you a novelty football. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The little ones you get at the bank. Yeah.
Like, here you go.

Speaker 1 Good bidet, good, good, water-up-your-asshole experience.

Speaker 6 You're still a man.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Your bidet gives you gambling picks.
That'd be sick. Your bidet spits out a parlay for you.

Speaker 6 The barstool bidet.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. That's a good idea.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Yeah.
Let's do it oh man it just gets that ass yeah and smoke shows of the day yeah

Speaker 1 oh man all right uh let's do some lottery ball okay

Speaker 1 wrapping up the show

Speaker 1 i think you ever gotten this

Speaker 1 gotten what the lottery ball no okay that's wild we'll see if you can get it uh

Speaker 1 numbers Season 17.

Speaker 6 I'm going to go with I'm going to do 99.

Speaker 1 18. I was thinking about doing 99 as well.

Speaker 6 Do you want 99?

Speaker 1 You can get up 99 sure yeah you've only gotten it one time you can get 99 okay hey but ask me if i've ever gotten the water hey big cat have you ever gotten this i have um all right no you go 99 because that's that's bad juju um i'll go

Speaker 6 go ahead max what's your number i'm gonna go 20.

Speaker 1 okay i'll go 76.

Speaker 1 18. are you just sticking with 17 now that's smart 18.

Speaker 6 Don't you worry about yourself.

Speaker 9 He took him two years to figure it out.

Speaker 9 Oh!

Speaker 9 Fake that guy! Suck my dude!

Speaker 9 Suck my dick! Suck my dick!

Speaker 1 My fucking light work! Oh, go 60! Light work! Go 60! That's light work! Congrats.

Speaker 1 That's good juju for the series, too.

Speaker 1 That's good juju for the series. That was good juju giving back.

Speaker 1 He gave me 99. Suck my dick, Hank.
You'll never catch me now. I'm happy for you.
Oh, that was easy. You know what? Why does that have anything to do with me?

Speaker 1 That's awesome. That was so easy.
Hanging on the banner.

Speaker 7 That was a great moment.

Speaker 1 Having true.

Speaker 1 Man, that's that's that's wonderful. It sucks so bad.
I can't believe that. Didn't we say 76? He should guess 76.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, I guess 76 last year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. Yeah.
When he said you should,

Speaker 10 Big Cott, that was your first one. March 10th, 2021.
So just over two years.

Speaker 1 Love it. Love it.
Dynasty. Two years.
Two years route over. But it's not that hard.
I just thought really hard about it. I was like,

Speaker 1 you look. No, you have the good seat, but that's fine.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 6 No, this was our strategy. We said that we were going to get 76 in your face.

Speaker 1 I almost guessed 99. PFT guessed it first, and I said, you have it.
I was in. I'm happy.
We're all happy. No, it's not happy.

Speaker 1 Billy's not happy. I'm happy.

Speaker 7 I'm so happy for you.

Speaker 11 We all owe you a lot of money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, I don't need the money.
I have the satisfaction of people chirping me being like, should we start talking about Big Cat only getting once? Guess what? You motivated my ass.

Speaker 7 You know what? I'm going to give you that.

Speaker 1 Shut up. No, this is a preview for PM TV.

Speaker 1 Don't do this.

Speaker 1 Preview for PM TV. Hank got a cash buyout from me for some transgressions I made.
I gave him $200.

Speaker 1 And that's the second cash. How much cash do you have on you right now, Hank?

Speaker 1 I don't want to get wrong. Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 I'll Venmo you. No, no, I don't want the money.
I don't want the money.

Speaker 10 It's almost two months to the day since PFT got it on February 27th with 55.

Speaker 1 Love it. Love it.

Speaker 6 I'm going to Venmo for the Juju.

Speaker 1 Oh, thank you. Thank you.
I mean, that was that. That was awesome.
I gave him back 99, 76, boom, just felt it in my bones.

Speaker 7 So happy for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that sucks, though, because there were a lot of little Hank stands running around the internet being like, should we start talking about the fact that Big Cat's only gotten it once?

Speaker 1 And I was like, you know what? That has nothing to do with me. I'm going to work really hard and try to get a second time.

Speaker 1 Max, how many times have you gotten it?

Speaker 5 Do you want to ask me how many times I've never gotten it?

Speaker 1 Well, Max Wise, Max is elite. Yeah, Max actually is elite.

Speaker 1 He is elite. He's elite.
All right. That's the show.
What a great ending to the show. Yeah.
Hey, it's if you just think hard enough, you can get it. Just so you know.

Speaker 1 I am proof positive. I don't even want to get it.
Yeah. Okay.
That's a lie. All right.
We'll see everyone on Friday. Look at this.

Speaker 6 Cats only meow at humans, not other cats.

Speaker 1 Today's a mama to find you. Shine away.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'll be coming for your love, okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, get away.

Speaker 1 I'm not

Speaker 1 to say I'm saved anyway.

Speaker 1 Today's a mama to find you. Shine it away.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'll be coming for your love, oh king, dream.

Speaker 1 Say gone,

Speaker 1 take

Speaker 1 me on.

Speaker 1 I'll give them

Speaker 1 in a day of peace.

Speaker 1 Take on me,

Speaker 1 take

Speaker 1 me on,

Speaker 1 I'll give

Speaker 1 them

Speaker 1 in a day of peace

Speaker 1 to say,

Speaker 1 I want to say it's about me, so little.

Speaker 1 Say after me.

Speaker 1 It's a better treat to say, the song, the song, the song.

Speaker 1 Take me

Speaker 1 on.

Speaker 1 I'm eager.