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Okay, let's sweet. It was such a sweet ending to the game.
Like as, as Joel and bead put it front of the program, uh, this is some good hoops. Hashtag it was, it was some good hoops.
It was some good hoops tonight. And I, I know that you guys were, were texting the group chat.
I was watching, I'm at my mom's new place, and I was watching on her brand new cable that we installed. And it was – we don't know what the real channels are yet, so I was having to watch on the Spanish broadcast of it.
And the Spanish broadcast of the wedgie call at the end of the game was just electric. Jake, I wish I had recorded for you.
Yeah, I need to see that. Is it on, like, what channel? what channel can you recreate it i don't know i just selected tnt and i think that her her tv was set up on uh the sap button so it's like wedgie wedgie wedgie that's great uh by the way uh so we're recording the first 10 minutes on riverside on zoom uh we're going to talk about monday night's games after that.
So we're going to talk about LeBron and Jimmy and all that stuff. I don't know if you noticed at PFT, as I was saying, the Boston Celtics and Atlanta Hawks are going to game six.
Max was just whispering to himself, let's go, let's go. And Hank looks like he wants to throw up.
Boys, I mean, Hank, we should start with you.

Uh,

what happened?

It was a 13 point lead with six,

10 left.

I think we all had the same thought. Like this series is over.

Thanks for coming out.

Hawks.

You won your one game.

And then Trey young absolutely took over 38 points,

13 assists.

Like the,

the shot he made.

I actually,

that one was more on,

on Jalen Brown backpedaling as hard as he was.

Thank you. 38 points, 13 assists.
Like, the shot he made, I actually, that one was more on Jalen Brown, backpedaling as hard as he was. The minute he started backpedaling, Trey Young was like, I'm going to shoot this.
And he was shooting from everywhere all night. And they kept switching.
It was Al Horford was on him, and he hit a three in his face. And it was Robert Williams on him, and he hit in his face.
They were just calling screens and getting big guys on him, so he he had open looks it was one of the most frustrating games in a long time it was just one of those games I was I was on I had the peloton right there I was on the peloton headphones in not even listening at the end of the game you know just just just riding along thinking about Philly just just getting ready watching more as a formality and then the last two minutes I was at a complete stop headphones out watching and just couldn't believe my eyes there's no smart mark is smart obviously you know defensive player of the year last year having him on your team last year he had a terrible end of the game he the like trying to play defense on trey young and fouling him to give him the lead that was crazy. They could have just stopped him right there.
Yeah. Jason, it was just,

it was crazy.

They could have just stopped him right there.

Yeah.

Jason, it was bad.

It was bad all around.

Yeah, Jason Tatum won for 10 from three.

It was actually like because, you know,

it was basically every bad Celtics game this year where Jason Tatum's not shooting well and they give up a huge lead.

And to quote Doc Rivers, playing with their meat, which is something Philly didn't do yeah I just want to point out that there's no finer example of Boston privilege than Hank saying I was watching this game more as a formality that's that's what it felt like yeah but who watches games as a formality like you just like a box. No, like it was...
You're spoiled. I mean more the game was over.
You're spoiled boy. I thought the game was over.
It's like, all right, the game's over. I'm going like, I can move on with my life, but I have to at least physically watch the game end.
That's what I mean by formality. No, but by formality, let's not forget the fact that you thought it was such a formality.
You thought you could start to get a workout in before the game was over that's how much of a i did i was like i might you know this game is this game's over i might as well get some get some calories burned in the fourth quarter now okay and then i didn't i burned like 80 because i was fucking stopped and just staring there sitting in awe and disgust i know that face i've seen that face in a text text. I love the idea of Hank getting on his exercise bike and then just being so disgusted with everything that's happening that he doesn't even exercise.
And he just gets off and doesn't work out at all. Listen, I'll back you up on this.
I've, I've quit workouts for far less, far less. You just show up to the gym and you're like, nah, not today.
Put on and leave uh okay so it was a it was crazy like trae young deserves all the credit he was hitting every shot you know controlling the game hank your panic meter because so people are a lot of people were asking what happens to soul patch bet uh if the celtics don't advance well good good thing is Hank already said that if the Celtics don't advance, he will do the soul patch himself. So he's already in a soul patch bet.
You're in a soul patch bet. Yeah, I don't even care about the soul patch.
I care much more. But again, I'm going to sound a little bit like a hypocrite here because on whatever Sunday show I was focused on Philly and fully, you know, we're talking about the soul patch bet.
I'm back to the Hawks. Okay.
Just close out game sucks. Don't worry about the Sixers.
Don't worry about Max's ugly fat face. Just focus on the Hawks, beat the Hawks, and then we can climb that bridge when we get to it.
Okay. There's also a matter to be solved about the Atlanta Hawks in their home arena having to cancel a Janet Jackson concert because the Hawks thought there's no way that we end up playing six games in this series.
Taylor Swift is also there this weekend. Chaos.
Yeah, they scheduled janet jackson concert they have to cancel that

concert i think that everybody that had tickets hank you should refund one person personally to make to atone for it for the vibes if there is a listener of this show that also bought tickets to the janet jackson concert in atlanta i will refund those tickets all right but you have to send me a receipt. Dude, you don't know.
If that crossover exists.

Yeah, it exists.

I got you.

It exists.

Just one ticket, though.

Not two.

Just one ticket.

Okay.

So it now, I mean, I don't actually blame the arena for that because the Hawks, a fun

little stat, the Hawks have been 500 or one game away from 500, either over or under, for 99 out of the last 101 days. All they do is just get to 500.
They are, if you count the play in, which technically doesn't count, they're a perfect 44 and 44 on the season. That's just what they do.
They're the middling team that now has the Celtics having to go back to Atlanta

to try to beat Trae Young.

Deontay Murray back after bumping.

I'm actually shocked that he didn't get suspended for longer

because that was an aggressive bump of a ref.

They might be better without him.

Yeah, maybe.

I'm already thinking that. Hopefully he comes back and they're back to being discombobulated so my question though so i want to hear from max real quick uh today could not have gone better for him and beat is back 100 max and beat is back uh definitely not 100 but it looks like he's probably going to be playing through pain.
Looking a little bit better now that it's starting on Monday instead of Saturday. Two extra days.
Two extra days to get healthy. Now it's finalized.
Game one starts on Monday no matter what happens in game six. Hank being a video and audio producer and having his mic or his camera.

It's autofocus.

Turn off autofocus.

For a second.

Watch on the YouTube

because Hank was doing a Joe Buck picture of himself for a second.

No, you have to like, whatever.

That was the other thing I was thinking on the Peloton.

I was planning out Saturday. I was like, I think I should go back to Boston try and go to the game oh no Hank you got ahead of yourself I did big time it felt right what are your nerves at 5% I mean there's no way even if you lose game 6 you're not going to lose game 7.
No. I feel confident in that.
I don't think a Boston team would be involved in that. No, you're good.
You're good. I mean, for your planning purposes, you can still go back Saturday for a game.
Oh, true. Good point.
It might be game 7. Good point.
I've actually never seen the Hawks come back from a massive lead to go on to win a game in seven, but who knows? Yeah, Ben Simmons passing up a nice little dunk, something like that. No, yeah, I've never seen that happen.
I've never seen Trey Young come back from a big lead and end up winning a series. Okay, so other games, to your nuggets pft thank you they've gotten one round your wolves future that uh you were telling us all they got to do is get to the western conference final fell a little short but you know i don't really know where the wolves are gonna go from here hank's right hank's right you're you're gaslighting you're you're a gaslighter you're a gaslighter my my system my system which was right at the time my process was correct was that I was betting on the wolves to finish out the season slightly stronger by slightly stronger I meant like one or two more wins in their last 12 games than they actually got I was betting on them to end up playing the kings in the first round bet I was hoping for that matchup and knowing that De'Aaron Fox would break his finger.
Against the Warriors. Yeah, and then they would go ahead and they would be able to win that first series.
Then if they got to the second series, there might be a hedge opportunity. But definitely if they won two series, there would be a huge one.
So my system was right. But the good news for me is I have a lot more money that's on the line for the Nuggets.
I stood to make more money on the T-Wolves, but I had more of my own personal money on my Nuggets for a long time. This is a bet two years in the making.
So I'm happy. We said on the last show that Jokic hadn't been the guy yet and they had still been playing well.
Well, right after we recorded that show, Jokic went out there and dropped like 40. Tonight he had a triple-double.
So we're good. We're in good shape right now.
And you know what? Nobody's talking about us. No one's talking about the Nuggets.
I'm actually – like it felt dirty that you had the T-wolves against Nuggets because the Nuggets are your team. They're your Western Conference team.
Like, you needed them. The better PFT team advanced, both for you personally and your, like, two-year stake in this, and also for the larger money.
The T-Wolves were a fling. It was an impulsive thing that I did that I thought I figured out a way to break Vegas, which I did, but the T-Wolves, they didn't pull their end of the bargain.

That's my problem with it.

I did everything that I could.

I made all the right moves.

But sometimes Rudy Gobert doesn't listen to math,

and he punches his teammate in the face.

They didn't win that game.

Still.

Yeah, so the Timberwolves were are done that poor guy in game four uh in the Timberwolves crowd who was waving the nuggets goodbye down three one um that was tough but yeah I I do think the nuggets are very very good I'm excited I want I'm we're gonna talk about LeBron a. Uh, but Jokic is one of those players that he's been so good and the playoff, like T the team has not gone far enough.
I'm rooting for him just because I don't like when people are like, well, he sucks. Cause he's a bum in the playoffs, you know? And he's fun to watch.
Yeah, no, I mean, he's, he's legitimately, he's an MVP. Some would say that he should have been the MVP this year.
I'm not saying that, but a lot of people have said that. He's a beast.
Yeah. I mean, he's not a fluke.
I don't think you can say he chokes in the playoffs. Last year in the playoffs, he had absolutely zero help.
All of his best teammates were completely injured all season long. Oh, I agree.
So the Nuggets were always a sleeping giant that people weren't thinking about because they do have a big three. So I'm pumped.
I'm pumped to see whoever – who would they play? What's their matchup? They're playing the Suns. The Suns are up right now as we're taping this.
The Suns are up 17 with the start of the fourth quarter. So they're going to play the Suns.
It's going to be a great series.

These whole playoffs have just been awesome.

I feel like every night is just an insane game.

Revenge game for the Suns and four guy.

Yes.

Yes.

I'm going to call it right out.

No.

Nugs and six.

Yeah, revenge game for the guy who got knocked out, you mean.

Yeah, for that entire.

Of course it was the Suns and four guy that was doing the knocking out on the guy that had the high ground i'm just i'm calling it right out nugs and six nugs and six um all right let's talk a little playoff hockey before we kick it to ourselves and talk about monday night schemes um the leafs might win a series yeah it's pretty crazy and they've been doing it in like as as dramatic a fashion as possible, going down big, coming back big. I mean, I guess they might actually do this.
They might actually win a series. They were down for one against the Lightning.
And it was it looked as bleak as it could possibly get. And then I don't know, something happened.
That's what you need in hockey. You need, you need that spark to happen.
We talked about the other day with memes, you need a game where you come back and you snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. And then all of a sudden things start rolling downhill for you.
So I'm, I'm hoping, I'm hoping that's what happens with the least. What's that? Why are you shaking your head, Hank? No, you're right.
That's, that's how it goes. It is.
Yeah. I know.
I'm worried that, like, that's. Oh, you're still thinking about the Celtics.
So I'd say over 5% worse. No, I'm not worried about the.
No, no, no. I am not worried about the Celtics.
Oh, you are. Okay.
The Bruins. I mean, the Bruins and the Leafs might as well be the Celtics Sixers.
It's like we play all the time. They never win.
That's just how it goes. Okay, the other ones.
Islanders survive. Someone was getting upset that we never say the H words on here, which I won't say because it kills people every what? When's H word season? It's like late summer? It's like six months a year now.
Late summer, early fall. I refuse to say that name.
Someone was like, would it kill you guys to say the H-words? And he said the full word, and I was like, yeah, we don't say that on this podcast. But the Islanders, back to game six, every hockey series feels awesome.
And then the Rangers the rangers fans are right now facing an absolute disaster situation because the way they won the first two games and they talked all that shit and now it feels like the devils have have control of this series there's nothing worse and like kind of a mini rival there is nothing worse than having that early success feeling like you got them and having everything flip on you and all that shit you talked coming right back in your face i mean that's the story of new york sports for the last what 10 years that's kind of how they operate it's honestly sad how excited new yorkers get about first round playoffs yeah it really It really is. It's really sad.
Let's think about it because you've got the Rangers, right? You've got the Knicks from last year. These Knicks might be a little bit different, but you've got the Knicks from last year.
And then you also have the Giants beating the Vikings. And all the Giants fans around our office were like, yep, this team, this team's going to take care of the Eagles.

We can do this.

We can make it happen.

It's sad.

New York, have a little bit more respect for yourself, okay?

Zach Wilson won a game and memes put a time picture of the year, Photoshop, like instantly.

Regular season game.

It's sad how low the bar has fallen here in New York.

Is memes here right now or is he on the train?

He's not here. He did give me a statement to read about the Islanders.
Okay, Islanders minute with Memes, and then we'll kick it to ourselves and talk about the rest of the playoff games. Okay, Islanders minute with Memes.
To whom it may concern, two minutes left in hockey with the other team controlling the puck in your zone is an awful feeling. Yes.
Wanted to throw up the entire time. Is this a poem? With that being said, back against the wall, you get a win on the road.
It's coming back to the island for game six on Friday. You win, and anything can happen in game seven.
Go Islanders. Nice.
He is right. That game, the last, like, four minutes, it felt like the H-Words had the puck in the Islanders zone.
And it was like excruciating if you're an Islanders fan. It is really no worse feeling.
Because you're like, something bad is going to happen. Yeah.
And even in some of the best moments of a time like that, it just becomes a face-off. And then you have to have a face-off in your own zone.
So you just get like like a 15 second breather to feel like you're not staring down the jaws of death yes and then boom you're tossed back into the fire and the oilers look good they might i mean unless they absolutely choke this the oilanders oh the oilanders it's midnight i've slept like four hours last three nights the oilanders uh the oilers king's series has been so much fun it's like every game is just chaos goals everywhere but yeah they're up 6-3 right now in the third late in the third oilers might take that 3-2 lead i feel like the oilers though are like mini leafs that the minute they get up in something or have any little success, it just blows up in their face.

So that's a cautiously optimistic, like maybe the Oilers will advance.

I just liked the term Oilanders.

Yeah.

Oilanders.

That's great.

And they have the same colors pretty much.

Yeah. It sounds like a dude from Australia talking about like the Samoans.

Yeah.

The Oilanders. Okay.
We have a lot more to talk about. We taped it earlier in the day.
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Okay, let's talk about Monday night. We'll get to Aaronaron rogers but we first have to talk about a man named jimmy g buckets and the g stands for gets that was one of the most impressive performances i've ever seen jimmy butler scoring 56 fourth all time in points in a playoff game MJj 163 elgin baylor 261 uh donovan mitchell 57 and then jimmy butler at 56 yeah he scored 56 points he basically dragged the heat to victory it was his bubble jimmy it was incredible like watching it in person you know when you're watching like he had the first quarter where he was unstoppable then he was you know maybe got a little tired and then he came back brought them all the way back when you're watching these moments on tv and you're like i'm watching something special where he could not miss every play he was part of whether it be an assist or scoring he's out of like they're the eighth seed everyone i know yannis hasn't played but jimmy butler is carrying a team that i thought was dead to the brink of an a huge huge upset that no one saw coming yeah well yannis did play last night and he got he was not the lead dog on the court it was jay butt yeah jay but updated jay butt rankings i've got him number six in the nba as of last night's performance if we're looking at the Steph Curry chart, Jimmy Butler is officially back to being maybe the most underrated player in the NBA in the playoffs.
It's playoff Jimmy. It's playoff Jimmy.
19 of 28 from the field. That to me is insane because he went 15 of 18 from the foul line, right? Yeah.
That's what Jimmy does when he gets locked in. He doesn't really miss free throws.
But the fact that he got these points and he was extremely efficient, well, this is like probably the most efficient 50-point game of all time. So I don't know how to quantify that because I'm not a nerd, but if I was a nerd, I would be able to back that up with actual numbers.
To me, just based on the eyeball test and watching the game and looking at the stat sheet, that's the most 56 point performance of all time and his spin moves like he had he had Giannis like he was one-on-one with Giannis in the low post I think it was in the first quarter and he was just making moves left and right on him like everything he was doing was working so when you talk about efficiency now obviously the playoffs have only gone four games so far fun fact playing games don't count anywhere. The stats that happen in playing games don't go in the NBA history book.
They just don't exist. Because it's a non-regular season game.
Dumbest rule ever. So those don't exist.
So it's only been four games. So obviously if he goes on a long run, some of this will maybe regress the mean.
But there only two players in the history of nba who in the playoffs have gone 35 points average 35 points five rebounds five assists on 50 plus percent shooting it's michael jordan lebron james and now it's jimmy butler and he's doing it on 62.8 percent shooting jay that's insane classic jay but you were talking about his his moves in the post some of his head fakes are just insane it's it's crazy and he you remember that uh the old snl sketch where it's uh the butabi brothers that are just nodding their head yeah that's what jay but you meet me you yeah yeah he's just not as like faking people out with his head with his shoulders with his neck he was dialed in it was awesome now i they have they have what appears to be a commanding lead in the series. Which I.
But it also, at the same time, wouldn't shock me at all if the Bucs just ripped off three wins. No, because when you actually look at it, the Bucs have a better team, but the Heat have Jimmy Butler.
Yeah. And it took the most efficient playoff performance of all time to beat the Bucs in this game.
And the place was like rocking, which was cool because miami maybe not known as the number one sports town uh the whole thing was awesome to watch we were having the debate so you said six i think that's where we landed if you had to pick a guy to win a game in the playoffs yeah the the list that i was thinking was it's yannis scott foster it's yannis it's uh jason tatum it thinking was it's Giannis Scott Foster it's Giannis it's uh Jason Tatum it's Curry it's Durant who was the other name we had Chris Paul not Chris Paul probably oh you hang throughout Kawhi which healthy Kawhi I kind of agree with and Jimmy Butler's right there like there's I don't know who else we're missing no LeBron oh yeah LeBron LeBron isron. LeBron is also there, which we'll get to in a second.
Yes, that was the one we were missing. LeBron.
So, he's somewhere in, like, five to seven, five to eight of guys that if you wanted to pick to win a game, he would be it. Like, that's how good he is in the playoffs.
Yeah. And how dominant he is.
And it was an awesome – it was kind of like a – Reggie Miller was saying it, that's the most impressive Heat performance. It it is the only time i think a heat player scored 50 plus in a playoff game and that's which is crazy with the big three yeah lebron dwayne wade chris bosh alonzo morning like there's a lot of good players in heat history and jimmy just did it yeah it was awesome it was it was awesome to watch good for jimmy uh i still do think the box might win this yeah i think they might too which is but it does go back to the fact that it took a uh statistical anomaly to beat the Bucks in this game he just does it again maybe he does it again I don't know if he can do it twice in a row but uh yeah Jay Bud is back officially and I think that we overuse the term who's got that dog in him I feel like there's like 30 different guys in sports that currently have a dog inside them right now i think that i think it should be a one guy has it has the dog in him there should be one dog guy i think dogs have jimmy butler dogs have jimmy butler in him i'd say i'd say jimmy butler is the he's the head dog yeah he's the alpha dog right now in sports it's it's so much fun when he gets going um and then the other one we had, LeBron.
Well, let's also talk about the fact that Duncan Robinson had a staggering plus 15 in the plus. Yeah, he's been awesome.
Three or four from three. Yeah, he's been awesome the last two games.
And then the night game, LeBron, vintage performance. I don't like LeBron.
Everyone knows that. We talked about it on Sunday, but Dylan Brooks has made me like LeBron because I do think there's like a a pecking order and a hierarchy that you shouldn't mess with like Dylan Brooks is a nobody LeBron is one of the best players of all time so I found myself rooting for LeBron to like stick it to Dylan Brooks and he does with the clutch shot 8.8 seconds left over Dylan Brooks also hit that uh three quarters court uh court shot when the time expired which was that was very funny because it's like what can he do uh but it was like an old school vintage I'm gonna throw it back and just be the best player on this court first player since Shaq it's the first Laker since Shaq to have 20 points, 20 rebounds in a game.
So he was incredible. Like he was incredible.
He stuffed it to the Grizzlies who are the Memphis penis touchers. They had another two on Monday night where they touched two more penises.
But it was cool to see like LeBron's 38 years old and he's doing this. And I am officially on likeakers might be really really good watch so as lebron gets older and as we age gracefully i might add on this podcast i do start to find myself rooting for him in places where i wouldn't have before just because it's like if lebron is still going out there and dominating the nba i'm still young right it makes me feel young to see him do that whereas when he was dominating, when he was like 20, 21 years old, 22 years old, I was like, what have I done with my life? Right.
Why is this man doing so many things that I'm not even in the position to think about? But now that we're getting older, it's like I find myself gradually hating him less. And you're right.
Part of that has to do with the fact that I just it's not that i i love lebron it's that i i like him i hate him less than i hate dylan brooks right and so it's like the old the old story of if you're getting chased by a tiger you don't have to be faster than the tiger you just have to be faster than the other guy that the tiger's chasing i want dylan brooks to get eaten by the tiger i'm okay with lebron surviving this he's switched on me because i and he no commented again last night after the game i just you can't do that you can't you can't say lebron's old and poke the bear and back it up with absolutely nothing like he is he is a total total clown and lebron proved that he still got a lot of gas in the tank and i am the lakers i believe if you include playoffs uh since the trade deadline have the best record in the NBA. They do.
So, yeah, I'm nervous. I'm officially nervous.
But it's good for the league. Good for the league.
Good for the league. But the more he's around, the more excited.
We root for ratings on this podcast. Yes.
By the way, it's good for ratings. I mentioned the fact that LeBron had the first he was the first Laker with 20, 20 20 points 20 rebounds in a playoff game since shack one of my favorite things to do is look old shack like his his game logs from the playoffs in the uh 2001 playoffs he had three separate games where he had 40 plus he went 44 21 43 20 and then in game one of the finals he had 44 points and 20 rebounds like that he was just so fucking dominant yeah so dumb those old lakers teams were a lot of fun also most important player on that team robert ory yes that's a fact clutch legend that's a fact but uh yeah lebron hank do you want to say anything about the fact that lebron seemingly has a very nice path to the nba finals I don't think they'll make the finals, but...

I'm now retracting my original take of, like,

I don't take them seriously.

I have to take the Lakers seriously.

I think I am rooting for Celtics-Lakers in the finals.

That would be awesome.

A little bit...

No, that'd be awesome.

I hope it happens.

Those are all the chips.

I'd rather play the Lakers than the Suns.

It's also you guys are tied for total championships.

Yeah.

So are you nervous about LeBron?

No.

We'll be right back. it happens those are all the chips i'd rather play the lakers than the suns it's also you guys are tied for the warriors for total uh championships yeah so are you nervous about lebron no were you rooting for lebron last night no okay uh but i've said it i've said it on the show over the years he he has done well so many times that it's impossible to hate on him as a bad player i still he's against him.
Yeah, he's not a bad player. I root against him.

Well, he's not a choker.

So there was a while where he was a choker.

No, he hits clutch shots. He hit that clutch shot.

The only argument that you have against LeBron as a player,

the only knock that people can have on him

is that he's not as good as the greatest basketball player of all time.

I very thoroughly enjoy rooting against him.

I don't hate him as a person,

but I very much enjoy rooting against him.

And it hurts sometimes, but that's the fun of but I just hate what Dylan Brooks did to me. It's nice to have someone to root against.
Yeah, it makes you hate Dylan Brooks more. Yeah.
Knowing that he makes you hate LeBron. It's lightweight hilarious that we're actually rooting for LeBron.
Yeah, no, and I can't deny my feelings, but it will change once they get out of this series.

But Dylan Brooks has made me root for LeBron to basically shove it in his face.

And John Moran, the play he made at the end of the game,

that should have been the story, obviously.

LeBron hit that shot, but that was an incredible, incredible play.

You know what I like about LeBron sometimes

is when he does get actually mad at something

because he spends so much of his time making everybody like him and trying to just like appeal to everybody and try to be this big mythical figure, uh, that I liked the, I like it when he actually gets emotional on a human level. That's not calculated.
Yeah. And when he's pissed off at somebody, he's fun to watch.
Yeah. Yeah.
Uh, LeBron, I think also, uh, the cracks in the grizzly team are showing because I believe, I can't remember, I think it was Bain that was on LeBron and he said afterwards that the help needed to come there and the help was Dylan Brooks. Yeah.
And so I think that if you're a Grizzlies, if you're on the Grizzlies, you have to be pissed that Dylan Brooks did this. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. I think we talked about this last week.
It's the Lance Stevenson, Deshaun Stevenson factor. People challenging LeBron that have no business challenging LeBron actually makes it way worse for everybody else on the team.
Yes. And also Austin Reeves, 23 points.
Austin Reeves. He's awesome.
He's averaging like 18 points. Legitimately a good player.
Yes. Yes.
I'm taking the Lakers for real. I retract my my initial statement and I was wrong.
It's a lot of people are throwing out the the Alex Caruso, Matthew Della Vadova comparisons for Austin Reeves. Let me just say that Austin Reeves is not Matthew Della Vadova yet.
Right. Yes.
Yes. OK.
Other news. Aaron Rodgers is now a jet officially congratulations to us Billy to both of us and to memes congrats to memes are you excited I'm pumped it was getting I actually tweeted uh yesterday morning before the news broke I was like if this thing doesn't happen it's never gonna happen yeah and then it happened if this thing doesn't happen it's never gonna that's that's no like found around the draft confusion around the draft if it wasn't going to happen right before the draft or right after the draft it was never going to happen it was one of those things like you know is the check in the mail yeah like is it really coming and now that it's real uh jets are definitely gonna go to the playoffs they might make a run at super bowls don't say i'm actually so hyped they have a top five defense they have weapons and they have Aaron Rodgers.
I really don't see how this goes wrong. Yeah, okay, here's how it goes wrong.
That was great. Literally everything you just said is how it goes wrong.
Guaranteed to make the playoffs. Let me just ask you guys, off the top of your head, since the last time the Jets made the playoffs, let's count the Jets jets last playoff game as being one game okay um how many more playoff appearances do the detroit lions have than the jets two three they have three times as many playoff appearances as the jets since the last time the jets made wow so the jets have, they've been on a real bad run recently.
Yeah, they're the longest drought, right? I don't know if they – that sounds right. I think they're the longest drought in the NFL.
But saying all the talk about the Jets being one piece away, it feels like kiss of death scenario, where it's like we finally have the complete total package right now. And Aaron Rod switching to a new team he's familiar with the offense because he's got his emotional support quarterback in the room with him he's got his emotional support coach Nathaniel Hackett in the room with him so it feels like it it shouldn't be that bad of a transition but you also can't discount the history of New York Jets quarterbacks they have uh they almost have they have 12 years since they've been in the playoffs.
The Broncos are the second with seven. That's always wild to hear that the Broncos are the second.
And they won the Super Bowl the year before that. Yeah.
So, yeah. This goes back to when you told us that you feel bad for us.
The Jets are still the Jets. No, no.
This time it's different. Okay.
This time our quarterback quarterback uses hallucinogens which will allow him to circumnavigate like any bad press okay he's gonna he's gonna hate the new york media and he's gonna be so no no so combative to him but the only one he's gonna love it he's i think he's gonna love getting into fights with the new york media whereas other jets quarterbacks they feel all the pressure from the media now the new york media is going to feel the pressure from Aaron it's going to be like that BBC interview with Elon Musk where Elon's like I'm going to question you now that's what Aaron's going to do to the media here I'm it's going to be a fun show to watch for sure and I actually do think like they're on paper he is the missing piece yeah because. Because the Jets scored.
I don't think they scored a single offensive touchdown in their last three games of the year. Yeah, no, Zach Wilson is very bad.
And now they have Aaron Rodgers. The articles are already being written about how this gives Zach Wilson second life.
Are you writing them? No. What do you mean the articles are already writing them? I read two articles already about how Aaron Rodgers not only sets up the Jets for success now, but could provide mentorship to Zach Wilson.
You're talking to yourself late at night doesn't count as an article. No, no.
I was having these takes like months ago, but now the mainstream media is like putting out articles like that. Damn, you're ahead of your time.
Since we're making bold claims, Billy said they're definitely making the playoffs and nothing can go wrong. I'll join you, Billy.
Jordan Love, not that guy. I'm just going to enjoy it until he proves that he eventually is obviously going to become that guy because that's what the Packers do.
But I have a little window here where I can talk shit and be like, maybe I'll be right. Yeah.
Maybe. Maybe he's not that guy.
You know what, Big Cat? We've talked about how we would love to lose a Super bowl how fun would it be to lose a super bowl to aaron rogers though i don't want to lose the super bowl to aaron rogers but i have long i have a long-standing take of if you take out the bears let's say the bears are bad next year uh which isn't uh you know it's not like you have to daydream too hard uh the jets winning winning a Super Bowl and Aaron Rodgers retiring after winning one Super Bowl with the Jets in one year would make me very happy because I would be able to say he won one in one year in New York and he won one in 15 years in Green Bay.

Yep.

So I'm kind of rooting for Aaron Rodgers.

Also, Aaron Rodgers, if you're looking for like someone in New Jersey to hang out with knows the area, just hit me up. Okay.
I'll show you where some good spots are. Nice.
Open invite. Nice.
You can chill in my backyard. I think, preemptive take, I think he's going to fuck Zach Wilson's mom.
Yeah. Just get it out of the way.
Be on the lookout for that. Be an alpha.
Be an alpha. Because, I mean, Zach said he's going to make whoever is going to be the starting quarterback, he's going to make their life hell.
It's already a contentious relationship. Yeah.
I think you would have made Derek Carr's life hell, but not Aaron Rodgers. I think he respects him way too much.
Okay. What are we basing that off of? I mean, Aaron Rodgers.
It's just Billy's fan fiction right now. It's your own brain.
Yeah. No, I got it.
Enjoy it. I'm not.
You should be happy. I do think the Jets are going to be very pumped.
Yeah, you should. This is going to be a very fun season.
The Jets never play in primetime. They're going to play a fuckload of primetime games this year.
Yep. It's going to be good.
Yeah. You know, MetLife has only hosted one playoff game.
Damn. And it was back in 2012.
That's crazy. And it was the Giants.
And it was the Giants. Yeah.
Okay. Let's do Hot Seat Cool Throne.
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Hank, hot seat, cool throw. My first hot seat, kind of an embrace debate hot seat.
Coach Prime. Okay.
Embrace debate. Colorado had 18 players enter the transfer portal on Monday.
That's after the spring game. 41 total

since Deion Sanders

was hired.

63 of their 83 players

scholarship from 2022

have moved on.

Most drastic roster

flip of the portal era.

Is that a hot seat

for Coach Prime

or is he just

out with the old

and with the new?

Yeah, he's just

brought his luggage with him.

Iron sharpens iron.

And it's Gucci.

Yeah.

Louie.

Louie.

Louie.

I don't know. We don't say Gucci on this podcast.
That's true. Iron sharpens iron.
And it's Gucci. Yeah.
Louis. Louis.
Louis. I don't know.

We don't say Gucci on this podcast.

That's true.

So not hot seat.

Not hot seat.

No.

They did lose a couple players who put up amazing tape in the spring game,

and they're just using that to leverage their transfer portal.

They were probably wearing hats during meetings.

And Prime was like, no, no, no.

Didn't say ma'am.

Yeah.

When seeing a woman. Okay.
Then my other hot seat is the beam okay yeah d'arren fox d'arren fox suffered a fractured index finger on his left shooting hand he's a lefty uh he is listed as doubtful for game five credit to hank tough tough credit to hank it's tough for the beam. What can I say? And it's credit to Hank when he heard us hyping him up.
Yeah. Now, do you...
I'm not a basketball player. Do you really need your finger on your shooting hand to shoot the ball? Maybe a little.
Maybe. We should ask Titus.
Yeah, just a touch. Yeah, it's tough.
It's tough for Sacramento. But also, like we discussed, it gives you a good excuse.
Yeah. Like we were it gives you a good excuse yeah like we were going to beat the kings or the we were going to beat the warriors and then darren fox broke his finger uh so you know if history goes if it's like one inch to the side yeah we win that series great what if all right your cool throne uh my cooler my cool throne is peter hewlin yeah you had that one way wrong you line you line that's the fourth ace for people who that's the fourth ace for the people that listen on monday show i said it doesn't matter only the top three matter turns out not only is he a top three ace yep he's number one in the individual standings for the whole league yeah but it's a team game so we're not expecting to know that and isn't his dad like the ceo of was it titlist uh yeah and he's from massachusetts new bedford so you well no i mean what what is his dad being this what does that have to do with anything oh people know him do you you know i always know the four aces no but like do you know you knowids the guy that runs Taylor Maids if he was a four ace Taylor runs yeah if he was one of the aces I would yeah the four aces are Patrick Reed Dustin Johnson Peter Hulon and Ringo Perez Matt Perez yes Pat Perez I love Pat Perez Who's also very good Ringo.
Perez. Matt Perez.
Matt Perez.

Yes.

Pat Perez.

Fat Perez.

I love Fat Perez. Who's also very good at golf.

Yes.

He's incredible at golf.

He's a stick.

Okay.

Yeah.

Maybe next time remember your four aces.

I will.

He's on the cool throne.

You should be saying it like when you get down and pray every night before you go to

bed.

Say your four aces.

Be nice.

All right. PFT.
My hot seat is Kmart. I put Kmart on the hot seat.
Our friend Ross Tucker tweeted out a draft take today and kind of maligned Kmart on it. He said that Will Levis is going to fall.
Here's why. He's Kmart.
If you want a polished passer, it's Stroud.

If you want upside potential, it's Richardson.

If you want cheapest price, you go to Walmart.

If you want something nice, you go to Target.

Kmart got caught in between like Levis.

So it's kind of a ricochet shot at Kmart, which might not exist anymore.

I'm not sure.

So I was on the train up here this morning, and I had a little bit of time on my hands it does exist it does okay so will levis is kmart per ross tucker nfl i like how he puts nfl so you know that he's talking football yeah we're talking pro football here um so i i had a little bit of time on the train so i just i made some comparisons of nfl players compared to what chain store they would be okay and you can you can feel free to jump in if you if you think of any i had uh justin herbert pack sun okay seems like pacific sunwear josh allen big and tall okay james winston spencer gifts like big and tall is for fat guys yeah well he's he's big and he's tall but you know what i'm saying josh allen should be big and tall is a store for for for for fats for the Yeah. Well, he's big and he's tall.
But you know what I'm saying? Josh Allen should be like-

Big and tall is a store for fats.

Yeah.

For the fats?

Josh Allen should be Kith.

Okay, he's Kith?

Yeah.

Okay.

He's cool.

He is very cool.

Derek Carr?

Supreme?

He's not a hype beast.

Josh Allen's fucking-

No, but people hype him up.

OBJ Supreme.

Yeah, but like, yeah, yeah.

Billy's right.

OBJ Supreme?

Okay. Josh Allen's like Carhartt.
Okay. Yeah.
Okay, I like, yeah, yeah. Billy's right.
OBJ Supreme. Josh Allen's like Carhartt.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay, I like that.

Good one.

Yeah, tough, hardworking.

Yeah.

Doesn't need to be flashy.

Derek Carr, hot topic.

He just looks goth.

Yep.

Kyler Murray, GameStop.

Yep.

Makes sense.

For the video game, but also because he's in the news for being shorted.

Yep.

Mack Jones, I just have him.

I just wrote that he was meeting with his DUI attorney in the food court at the mall.

Okay.

That's where he's at.

Lamar Plumber Supply.

What?

You guys never made mistakes when you were younger?

I made several mistakes.

I'm just doing a comparison for the show here.

Well, that wasn't a show.

You're doing comparisons for stores.

You just didn't name a store.

No, it's the mall.

It's the mall food court.

He should be meeting with the DUI lawyer. Yeah.
Got it. it no he should be at like the dmv for like re-education okay yeah good job bill he's at the dmv um i have uh lamar plumber supply okay and michael strahan the gap okay carson wentz cab I like that.
Okay. Yeah.
Deshaun Watson, I put the gas station, come and go. No, wouldn't it be the, he would be the little massages that you get for like 15 bucks for 15 minutes.
Massage. In the mall.
The ones in the airport. Yeah.
No, but the ones in the mall, if we're doing a mall. No, he's at the massage chairs that are near the food court.
Yeah. He's not allowed to to be near a person.
Yeah. Okay.
That's I think that's my entire list that I jotted. I'm sure I missed some.
Okay. So fill me.
Oh, Kirk Cousins, Chick-fil-A. It seems like Chick-fil-A.
Reasonable price. Decent product.
Very polite. Not.
Yeah. There you go.
Who's Auntie Anne's? Oh, Auntie Anne's. Or like Panda Express.
Whoever smells the best. Yeah.
Who's the best smelling looking quarterback in the NFL? Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts.
Yeah. He could be Auntie Anne's.
Or Jalen Hurts, American Eagle. Yeah.
Would be another good one. My cool throne is Central Florida defense attorneys.
Oh. Because Casey Anthony was seen buying baby clothes.
Yeah.

At Disney World, I think she was walking around.

You know, I hate to see her go, but I love to watch her leave.

Yeah.

Shout out Casey Anthony.

I disavow her actions.

First edition in a while.

What?

To the bonk list?

She's thick.

Did you see the picture?

She's thick, Hank.

Did you hear the Duracell ad?

Hank, she is thick. Oh, no.
417, you called Russell Westbrook a good-looking guy. Oh, he is.
Yeah, that's just a fact. Casey Anthony's thick.
She's dummy thick. Yeah.
Dummy thick, but maybe the purchasing of baby clothes. I hope it's for somebody else's baby.
Yeah, that feels bad. Yeah.
It feels really bad. That's all I have to say about Casey Anthony at this time.
That was just cool throwing Casey Anthony's hot. Central Florida defense attorneys, if she actually has another child.
All right. My hot seat is we were talking about Jimmy Butler and what he did.
My hot seat is the Chicago Bulls because we are now looking at Jimmy Butler potentially playing Tibbs in the second round. And while Jimmy Butler was putting on 56, Laurie Markkinen got most improved player in the NBA.
Oh, nice. Current guest.
Just pretty much a whole, you know, every move that the Bulls have made has gone bad and they had all the right pieces and it's all falling apart. And the lawn does hurt bad.
Yeah. Well, you made the play-in tournament.
Yeah, we did. We made the second play-in tournament.
There you go. Yeah, second round of it.
And then my cool throne is Morgan Wallen. So Morgan Wallen got his...
He had a concert in Ole Miss. Everyone went to the concert, got beer, drank, hung out, and then he canceled the concert.
So people were very upset. Said he lost his voice.
He lost his voice. The reason why he's on the cool throne, though, is that we then had people claiming they needed refunds.
And this one woman tweeted out her itemized list of what she needs to be refunded for. And everyone just dunked on her instead of Morgan Wallen.
So Morgan Wallen, shout out you because you have this woman backing you up. So she said, Morgan Wallen, since you're offering refunds, here's our itemized bill for you.
Is he offering refunds? I don't think so. That was the other part I didn't understand.
Hotel, $560. Gas, two tanks, $80.
Tickets, four of them, $1,600. My outfit, $120.
My husband's outfit, $218. Oxford Grill House, $235.
Cracker Barrel, $40. Los barrel 40 those parallel i don't know what this must be a mexican restaurant 45 and then the best rebel rags which i assume is like the bookstore in yeah in oxford because we wouldn't have had the opportunity to go had it not been for this concert $629 drinks at the concert $220 she spent $629 at the Ole Miss bookstore

she drove ago had it not been for this concert six hundred and twenty nine dollars drinks at the concert 220 she spent six hundred twenty nine dollars at the old miss bookstore she drill tweeted herself she's like someone help me with my budget six hundred and twenty nine dollars at the old miss bookstore stop buying candles yeah that was yeah that's uh that's bold of her to request all this i think he should refund the four hundred dollar tickets right yeah because if you just if you cancel and you're no show at the last minute, do we know why he lost his voice? Do we know what he was screaming the night before? No, we don't. That's my big question.
It was funny that people picked that to be canceling Morgan Wallen. Yeah.
This is actually good for him because now it's like, I fucking hate Morgan Wallen. He's an asshole.
Oh, why?

Oh, because he didn't play that concert at Ole Miss.

Right.

Right.

By the way, the man's outfit, the husband's outfit that cost $219 kind of goes pretty hard.

So he's got just a button down shirt, a Coca-Cola hat, some nice boots.

He went hard at Brooks Brothers.

Yeah.

It's just very funny to see it and be like, did he buy these clothes just for the concert? Yeah, that looks like every other shirt. He must not have any other shirts if that's the one that he chose to wear to Morgan Wallen concert.
She also claimed, my husband has gone with me to two concerts ever in the 17 years we've been together. Somehow I talked him into one in that in this shit happened so emotional damage as well yeah attack on a couple couple k's if i was morgan wall and i lost my voice like maybe just offer a partial refund and go out there and just play your songs and give people an experience but being like just stand up there yeah but then you lose your voice more i know it would just be like i'm not gonna sing i lost my voice we'll give you a partial refund wouldn't that just be better for everybody probably yeah probably or at least go out there and have him dj his own song yeah yeah yeah so people can just jam out yeah either way morgan wallen now on the cool throne because of this woman's itemized list that was ridiculous we'll put a picture of her in the uh youtube Did we go watch youtube has he issued like a formal statement on twitter apologizing for things i know that that tottenham hotspur issued a formal apology for losing six to one yeah to newcastle they did a tempe lightning they're going but they're also going to refund the fans that went out to that game nice so morgan wallen yeah let's get this woman four thousand dollars that she asked excuse me Tottenham.
mispronounced that people get mad at me it's tottenham it's also just funny because like you a lot of those things like you were going to eat anyway yeah but were you actually the most 40 dollars a cracker barrel doesn't seem like that much that's the concerning part to me is that couple looks like they could do way more than 40 dollars worth of damage at cracker barrel yes uh bill. Billy, your hot seat called Toronto.
My hot seat is Chiefsaholic. As we know, the draft is in Kansas City.
My reports on the ground are saying that he might resurface for the draft. He may be in Mexico, but he also may be hiding out in Kansas City.
And the bounty hunter I talked to and some local police officers DMed me and said that they're actively looking for Chiefsaholic at the draft. This isn't a warning to Chiefsaholic to not surface, but if I was Chiefsaholic, the spot's hot.
I kind of want him to go, though. I would love for him to go on stage when Goodell approaches the microphone.
He just tackles goodell like that dude at the chapelle

concert uh okay cool throne my cool throne is ryan garcia uh so apparently wait by the way the the it's funny because we should do like a tracker times i've mentioned aaron rogers being gone out of my life times pfts mentioned the commander's sale times billy's mentioned chiefs of We got our plays.

We just run them.

We all have our passion projects he hasn't been i know you you you need to catch him and let him go or i kind of want to catch and release if he's in mexico i would love to do like a dot like a interview with him like where we blur his face and stuff and like i get blindfolded to a secret location yeah that'd be pretty cool i would love that too if you got kidnapped in mexico when they interviewed the taliban yeah yeah that's cool uh so ryan garcia turns out one of his sparring partners who has a very hard to pronounce mongolian name erdabat sudbatar uh apparently sent him to the hospital in training with a body shot oh And the mole then leaked that information to Gervonta.

So that sucks that you have someone in your camp that is leaking information. But it's not like Tank Davis wasn't going to try to hit him in the body.
It's a boxing match. Yeah.
Right. Yeah.
Like, oh, maybe I'll hit him in the body. Because it also, like, it took him six rounds to hit him in the body.
So I got some inside information this guy's weakness is he hates getting punched yeah really hard but yeah he so that liver shot might have been it still sucks like it still would be brutal to have like yeah your fight camp and then be like there's a leak yeah this guy got kicked out of the fight camp because he just was going too hard in sparring that's badass yeah uh okay wrap us up Jake, and then we'll do some draft talk. My hot seat's Rick Pitino.
Be careful.

Yeah, I will. too hard in sparring that's badass yeah uh okay wrap us up jake and then we'll do some draft talk my hot seat's rick patino be careful yeah i will i will i'm pissed i missed this by the way you know

i think you missed it i did yeah you guys could have so it's like one of our all-time misses yeah

okay so sunday uh the espn broadcast at the garden they were doing their usual uh stars around the

area celebrities athletes one of them was rick patino and when they showed rick patino you could

Thank you. Sunday, the ESPN broadcast at the Garden, they were doing their usual stars around the area, celebrities, athletes.
One of them was Rick Pitino. And when they showed Rick Pitino, you could see him mouthing his phone number, giving it to someone.
So people called and texted that number. He said he got over 300 plus messages.
95% were nice and positive. And he got seven new lead recruits and he changed his number.
What are the odds that the second he's showing, he's reading his number? I wish that I was around for that. I really do.
I would have just called him up and said, Coach, we're all rooting for you. We love you very much, Rick.
Come on by. Come on the podcast.
Come on. Come on.
Just come on. Just come as hard as you want on the podcast.
Come as you are. But be careful with what we say.
But just crazy. That was crazy.
Yeah. My cool throne.
cool throne he's pissing down his leg right now just thinking about he's got a new phone his phone out there got a new phone got a new phone all right so number okay all right sure sure you did rick i'm gonna i'm gonna try it should we call that number yeah yeah do you have it i can watch the video and i'm sure let's do it during jimbos because this is a perfect jimbo little little preview for jimbos okay uh my cool throne the pittsburgh pirates they've been made fun of a lot the last few years pft you even had a bet on the barstool sportsbook exclusively betting against them for two straight years which was extremely profitable well it wouldn't be this year because they are 16 and 7 they've won seven in a row at the time of this recording. Maybe that'll jinx them, but just tip of the cap to the Pittsburgh Pirates.

Yeah.

With the Sacramento Kings doing that NBA, they've been made fun of.

They've been bad.

The Pirates have been awful, and they're really good.

Where were the Pirates on your total sports rankings, Jake?

Thank God.

They were probably second to last.

Yeah.

No, Pirates are good.

The Pirates are really good.

The Pittsburgh Pirates, I have them at 120 out of 124. Yeah.
So, yeah, Jake reverse motion. That's the worst baseball team.
I would like very much, Jake, if you could put a pin in this moment on this date and then track the Pirates' performance over the rest of the season before Jake talked about how good they are. 16 and 7.
Yeah. stuff all right uh let's get to our interviews we got Daniel Jeremiah or sorry we're gonna do Todd McShay first then Daniel Jeremiah uh great draft talk with both of them PFT you got a quick word from our friends at Topgolf yes before we get into Todd McShay I want to talk to you about Topgolfolf.
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We're very excited. Todd, thank you for joining us.
Let's start big picture. My favorite question to always ask, give us the three strongest position groups and three weakest in this draft so that we can go around and tell everyone, like, you is the deepest cornerbacks have ever been or something like that yeah cornerback is one of them so you can you can start with that when you're when you're having the conversation six drinks in and trying to be an expert uh you know i think we're going to see two guys in the top 10 i'll be surprised if debon weatherspoon from from illinois isn't a top.
He's the most complete cornerback. And then the traitsiest corner in this class is Christian Gonzalez from Oregon.
Then there's other guys like Emmanuel Forbes from Mississippi State, 11 career picks, six pick sixes, which is an FBS record during his career. But he's real thin.
You know, he's 166 pounds. But I love his instincts and ball skills.
And beyond that, I just think it's a really deep group of corners. I think probably five or six could wind up going in the first round.
Then tight end. This might be the best tight end group that I've been a part of in the NFL draft in 22 years of doing it.
Everyone knows about Dalton Kincaid from Utah, pass catcher, not a great blocker, but he's a difference maker after the catch and vertically. Michael Mayer from Notre Dame is going to be a stud.
He's a complete tight end. He's not as explosive, but he can block in line and do all those things.
But beyond that, I think I have eight guys. I know I have eight guys that could go in the first three rounds which is it's uncommon to have that many guys um luke musgrave from oregon state is a really good pass catcher down the field uh sam laporta i was got a tight end every year right sam laporta is this year's version um brenton strange from from penn state i mean the list goes on and on it's a great group.
And then I would say probably edge rushers, just because, you know, you're lumping in kind of defensive ends and outside linebackers. Two guys, I mean, the number two overall pick.
Everyone thought C.J. Stroud from Ohio State was going to be Houston's pick at two.
I'm not hearing that anymore. I'm hearing it's coming down to Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech, who's, you know, six foot five and change, 271 pounds long and powerful, kind of reminds D'Amico Ryan's the new head coach of Nick Bosa.
I'm not saying he's Bosa, but he's got those kind of, you know, physical traits. And then Will Anderson, the outside linebacker, just edge rusher, led the nation the last two years in sacks and pressures and hits and all the numbers that you

look for and the hardest working player at Alabama maybe in this entire draft class and talking to Nick Saban he just he couldn't he could not keep enough praise on this young man so those are the top two guys then you get down to like Nolan Smith and undersides Burner who ran in the 4-3-9, this 40-yard dash.

Lucas Van Ness from Iowa. He's loaded with talent and still kind of scratching the surface as a defensive end that can kick inside to a defensive tackle.
And Will McDonald from Iowa State, highly productive. Another guy like Nolan Smith, not even 240 pounds yet, but we'll continue to add bulk.

He's just bendy around the edge and flexible, and he's relentless.

So there's a lot of good edge rushers, a lot of good tight ends,

a lot of good cornerbacks in this class.

Unfortunately, and running back's loaded too, but unfortunately,

I think when you get to offensive tackle, guard, it's not a great class.

Safety is tough. I mean, there's not going to be a safety draft in the first round, which is rare.
And then I would say off the ball linebackers, the inside linebacker types, probably not a first rounder in this year's class either. It's interesting because I've heard a lot of people say that the Texans are not planning on necessarily going with a quarterback at number two maybe I'm the dumb one and yeah we are kind of I guess an honorary part of Mills Mafia for Davis Mills but setting that aside am I insane like should the Houston Texans front office be arrested if they don't draft a quarterback why why would you waste this opportunity to draft a quarterback if you're the Houston Texans and you are looking to still fill that role that Deshaun Watson left?

Yeah, I hear you, man.

I mean, I would take Stroud.

I would take Stroud at number two.

There's some concern with him.

The cognition test came back and he had the worst score of all the quarterbacks.

He's always had a great supporting cast.

If you're the guy who was pounding the table saying,

let's not take a quarterback here,

you're looking at these things.

But I mean,

find me a,

find me a better tape than Stroud versus Georgia.

I mean,

that's an NFL defense and what he did,

he just ripped them apart.

He almost ended the Georgia run.

And,

and I just think he's the best pure pocket passer in the class.

Here's the thing.

You got all these picks,

right?

You're picking at two,

you're picking at 12.

You got,

Thank you. And I just think he's the best pure pocket passer in the class.
Here's the thing. You've got all these picks, right? You're picking at two.
You're picking at 12. You've got like 11 picks, I think, in total this year.
How do you walk into training camp and say, all right, we feel great. We've got all these really good players who are going to help us.
They're foundation pieces. Tomiko Ryans was part of San Francisco where they built it on defense.
But look at our quarterback room. We've got Davis Mills and Case Keenum as our top two quarterbacks.
So if it's not two, they still pick at 12 again. And I've heard maybe Hendon Hooker from Tennessee is a possibility.
I haven't heard anything about Anthony Richardson from Florida, but I do think he'll be available at 12. So it'll be interesting to see if they say, you know what, we can't get an edge like Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech or Will Anderson from Bama at 12.
But we can get a quarterback. So maybe that's the route they're looking into.
But if they exit this draft without utilizing one of those two picks on a quarterback, it's going to be hard to say. And listen, it's not about the fans.
It's not about the luxury boxes and all that. But it's going to be hard to sell this team to Houston fans moving forward.
And, yeah, everyone says, well, next year, Caleb Williams is a star. He would be the first overall pick in this year's draft coming out of USC.
Heisman Trophy winner. Looks like Mahomes out there.
Drake May from UNC loaded with talent. So, yes, there are a couple quarterbacks that you can already see early next year.
And if they don't draft a quarterback this year, maybe Houston will be drafting up there. But you can't count on it.
A lot can happen. One of those guys can get injured.
You can win five or six games by accident and wind up picking fourth or fifth and the top two teams need a quarterback so that to me is not a plan that's a hope and hopes get you fired in this business yeah it makes it makes no sense to me you are in a position where you're picking number two there's some good quarterbacks or at least some quarterbacks that people who are smarter than me such as yourself have told me project to be good quarterbacks at the NFL level. Are you banking all your efforts on finishing dead last next year? Because they couldn't even do that this year.
They screwed that up at the end of the season. It just seems like it would be insane if they didn't use a first-round pick on a quarterback.
Yeah, I think that's the – and it will be interesting to see because you've got to remember the information that's leaking out of Houston, A, is it real? Right. I don't know what they're – everyone knows that Bryce Young is going to be the first overall pick to the Carolina Panthers.
That's dumb. They're trying to keep it quiet.
Roger Goodell wants a good TV show for ESPN, ABC, and NFL Network on Thursday night. But that's done.
So what is – by putting information out there about Tyree Wilson and Will Anderson, I love both players, but I don't know if there's a team that you're trying to entice to move up to go get those guys because they're scared they're going to be gone. Because if you take Will Anderson and Tyree is going to be available and Zach Carter is going to be available at defensive tackle and, you know, and so on and so forth.
So I, I just, I'll be surprised, but it will be interesting because yes, information is leaking out of there. Is it real information? Nick Casario is like a CIA agent, you know, he worked under Belichick.
And so I don't know, but last year we had no idea it was Derek Stingley until about a week before. And they were sending guys down there to see Stingley.
And remember, they took Stingley ahead of the defensive rookie of the year in Sauce Garden. And so, the information did come out of Houston.
It was very late, almost like this. So, we'll see what happens.
But ownership, too. Like, the McNayers have to, at some point, get in and say, you know, there's been a lot of rumors about Casario, the GM, not being here in a long time.
So maybe it's ownership that steps in and says, you know what, don't care how the board lines up. Don't care about what you're thinking.
This organization needs a quarterback. So that could be the wild card.
Yeah. So you said something interesting there.
Anthony Richardson could potentially be available at 12. How is this – what are you hearing in terms of how it's going to play out? Because I would have assumed that with the Seahawks maybe, obviously the Colts are going to have quarterback Seahawks maybe, Raiders, like the Titans at 11.
What would you say the latest that one of these guys is going to end up falling to when you're talking about Levis, Richardson, CJ Stroud, Bryce Young going one no matter what? Yeah, Richardson has the fewest teams that I'm aware of that has been linked to. Let's put it that way.
We know Bryce Young's going one, right? CJ Stroud, if it's not two, I don't think it's going to be four. Indianapolis at four is the next team that needs a quarterback, assuming no one trades up.
And they've been linked heavily. I think that's real with Will Levis.
I think that's their guy. Right.
Now, excuse me, that wasn't necessarily – all the information about Levis was there when Stroud was rumored to be the pick. But I still – all the information I'm getting is that Will Levis is going to go four.
So if that's the case, now you've got two quarterbacks off the board and Stroud's still sitting there. Five, I've heard Seattle is – you know, everyone's going to tell you this week that Seattle's not in the quarterback market.
And I don't know if it's going to be at five. But I'm told there's a very strong chance that they exit round one with a quarterback.
it could be five it could be 20 it could be them moving from 20 back up to get a guy who starts to fall I've heard with Seattle Stroud's a possibility because he's young and whether it's Stroud or Anthony Richardson and I've heard Richardson there but that's about the only team that I've heard of Richardson like all these been linked to different teams. Richardson's has got a little love in Seattle, but I've not heard many other teams with him.
But if Seattle's going to take a guy, it makes sense because Stroud's going to be 21 before the – or he turns 21, I think, in season or in Richardson. They're both going to be 21 as well, Richardson and Stroud.

So if you've got Geno, you're at least going to sit him for a year, right? So you want a young quarterback. You don't want Hendon Hooker, who's going to be 26 next January.
You don't want Will Levis, who's going to be 25 in his second season. So you'd rather a younger quarterback.
But if it goes Young levis four maybe stroud five or six to seattle or detroit then all of a sudden anthony richardson's the the fourth guy up and i've heard i've heard houston has interest in hendon hooker possibly at 12 and indy i'm sorry not tennessee is picking at 11 i've heard has some interest in hend Hooker as well. If they can't move up to go get their guys.
So it'll be interesting. Richardson could be in for a little bit of a fall.
I mean, because you get past 11, who's taking a quarterback? Washington apparently is happy with its situation at 16. I don't understand how they are, but they are.
And then Tampa Bay's at 19 and Seattle's at 20. Minnesota's at 23.
So it could be a little bit of a long night for Anthony Richardson, assuming a team like Minnesota from 23 or Seattle from 20 don't move up to get them somewhere in the teens. Okay.
Interesting. That's, that's, I mean, the fault that that's kind of like how the draft, the drama of it is, which guy's going to fall.
What's the chaos pick? Is it the Cardinals trading or is it the Texans not taking C not taking cj stroud like what's the domino that you'll be like oh wow this is everything we thought was going to happen is now out the window yeah i think houston the draft starts at houston that's the biggest question i mean filling out a mock draft is a freaking nightmare right now like i'm just hoping i get something from like i'm calling i called chef yesterday i called seven GMs and top scouts over the weekend it's this weekend is usually the weekend you get the most information and the information I had coming into the weekend is basically the same as what I exited nobody truly knows at number two I'll say this like yeah Arizona Arizona is borderline desperate to move out everyone in the league knows it I think they want to move back and take an offensive lineman at a better value and get more picks because they arguably have the worst roster in the league, right? So Arizona moving out, yes, it would be a domino, but I don't think it necessarily would be a shock. Right.
Where I think things are going to be interesting on a couple fronts. I five and six are the most intriguing picks because seattle's sitting there and detroit sitting and for a while now everyone's saying i don't you know they showed a lot of interest in the quarterbacks i don't know that they're going to take them but if stroud's sitting there and if rich if there's a little love for richardson i think both of those organizations are willing to and remember both organizations, Seattle and Detroit have second picks in the first round, Seattle at 20, Detroit, a couple of picks earlier at 18.
So they have the leeway of saying, you know, we're not planning on picking this high again. Let's get a young, cheap quarterback, try to develop them and let's go get a really good player at 18 or 20.
The other part too, at five and six, that's where Jalen Carter, arguably the best player in this draft. I would say from talent standpoint, my tape study, he's the best player in the draft, but you're dealing with a lot of immaturity, a guy who's not a self-starter and doesn't handle hard coaching well.
If you're not going to start yourself and you're going to push back on hard coaching, where's the motivation coming from to get better and to be consistent? So I think Jalen Carter, if he doesn't go 5'6", and I'm being told there's a real likelihood he doesn't, I don't think he goes 7 to the Raiders. He's not going 8 to Atlanta.
Jalen Carter, the best player in this draft, could go number 9 to Chicago. And Chicago, remember, had the first overall pick.
got DJ Moore a number one wide receiver they got additional picks from Carolina and could still

get the best player in this draft in Jalen Carter if he slips to nine that's that's crazy and yeah

I've uh I've heard a lot of people say that he is the best physical player in the NFL but you you

mentioned like he doesn't take hard coaching well is that is that Kirby is that people at Georgia

that are actually saying like they're not giving the most glowing reviews to their own guy I have

Thank you. NFL, but you mentioned he doesn't take hard coaching well.
Is that Kirby? Is that people at Georgia that are actually saying they're not giving the most glowing reviews to their own guy? I have seven different. I've got one page of seven different sources I've talked to, and I started it.
I had about five in December, and it includes quotes from the coaching staff. Yes.
Let's just put it this way. As good as Jalen Carter was, and as important as he was in his last two years winning national championships, I don't think there are a lot of people in Athens that are crying that Jalen Carter is leaving.
I think he's got a lot to handle, and I'm not saying anything that everyone in the league isn't saying that hasn't been reported. I'm just giving the information as to why.
I'm not here to bash young men, and I'm hopeful for all these guys as long as it's not domestic abuse or something horrible. But you've got to have a strong veteran presence in that defensive line room, and you've got to have a lot of good leadership on the defensive side if you're going to be comfortable bringing in Jalen Carter because he's got to be motivated from teammates, I think, in order to get him to play at the level he needs to play at and that you would expect him to play at as a top-10 pick.
All right, we'll have a source off here because your sources are telling you some things. I've got a source that was giving me some information about a top 10 pick.
Will Levis, my source told me that that video of Will Levis throwing the ball into the uprights from his knees from the 50 yard line is pretty fucking sweet. And then a team should actually move up to draft him because of how sweet that video is.
So like we're, we're stupid fans and we watch watch we see a video like that and we're like oh man that's awesome that rocks are there any gms or any um maybe owners anybody in very important decision making processes in the league that would be liable to see a video as as dumb as that is and be like i gotta have this guy Did you see that video?? No, no. But it was pretty sweet.
I'll give you that. I saw one of them where he hit the goalpost from like 50 yards out on his knees.
Yeah. Hit the actual goalpost and called his shot.
Yes. That's hard to do.
But remember, Jamarcus Russell fooled us all doing the same shit. I'll get fooled every year with that like just show me those videos I'm like yep that guy's awesome uh I I was listening to something uh I think it was the podcast you do with Kuyper and Field Yates a couple weeks ago you mentioned something it's kind of an offhand you know thing you threw out there that people think Ohio State's 40 yard dash at pro days is actually 38 and a half yards.
How do they get away with that? And what other schools are there things like that where it's like, here, watch the tape. The pro day is not as important.
Because you were expounding on it and basically saying the private workouts is actually what teams really trust. It's not the pro day.
Yeah, it's kind of a running joke in the league that the turf is very fast at Ohio State was the point of it. And the running joke is they run a 38-yard dash for the 40 in Columbus.
If you go back and look at all the numbers, all the wide receivers, even like Paris Campbell and guys you wouldn't expect, they're running in the four threes and low four fours. It's pretty amazing.
But truth be told, I do think the turf is fast, but they also have unbelievable strength and conditions. Those guys, those receivers run great time.
Like Garrett and Olave a year ago, you know, Garrett Wilson, who was the offensive rookie of the year for the Jets, and Olave had a great year as a rookie. They both ran in Indy.
Indy's becoming like a 39-yard 40, by the way. I mean, we had defensive linemen.
I mentioned Nolan Smith running a 4-3-9 as an edge rusher. Yeah.
We had defensive linemen running consistently in the 4-4s and low 4-5s. Indy used to be a notoriously slow track, and now it's gotten so fast with the new turf that agents are telling their guys, like, run here.
Right. Forget running.
You know, you could have a windy day in Manhattan, Kansas, or, you know, anywhere, whatever your pro day is, but make sure you run at the confines. So, listen, it was a longstanding joke about Ohio State.
But, yes, like, the importance of – like, the pro days are cute. They're cute.
They're fun. It's good for TV.
You get to see guys throw the ball. This year, the trend was throwing it up against – hitting the top of the indoor facility.
Last year, it was rolling your left and throwing against your body. Zach Wilson went viral with his throw, and everyone tried to kind of copycat that.
But ultimately, if I'm an NFL team, and I know NFL teams, they put a lot more emphasis on their private workouts because they're making sure they're running their route tree. They're installing certain plays.
They want to see how quarterbacks react mentally as much physically. So that's the background on it.
Another little hack that some scouts could use is we've been staying on the show for a couple of years and we were lucky enough to talk to Kirk Goldsberry's coach at the his class at the University of Texas. And they had a scout there from the San Antonio Spurs.
And we've been saying for years that you need to measure a person's height up to their eyes because the rest of the forehead doesn't matter. That's wasted space.
From that point up because who cares if quarterbacks got a tall like forehead that, well, I guess Peyton Manning throws off those numbers, but the point is get it up to their eyes because that's what really matters. That's where you see from.
And the guy from the Spurs said, yeah, actually last year we started to do that. So some pro teams are actually just going up to the eyes that needs to make its way to the nfl i'm writing it down i'm putting my notes next year yeah measure two eyes yeah kyler murray kyler murray's got tall eyes yeah he's got he's short but his eyes are almost at the top of his head so he has a short forehead is that yeah yeah exactly exactly all right Speaking of height, I'm curious because we've seen the evolution of the quarterback position.
Drew Brees, shorter than Kyler, Russell Wilson. Now we're sitting here, and you go 20 years ago or 30 years ago, Doug Flutie can't get a permanent job on the NFL roster.
And he, you know, in today's age, it feels like he would. Is Bryce Young, is his success going to make it so that we push this even further? Because he is an anomaly.
Is he not? Like in terms of just frame and body size? Yeah, he's like a half inch shorter than Russell Wilson. And that was like the big deal.
Russell fell in the third round. Bryce Young's going to be the first overall pick.
So it shows how much the game has changed since Russell Wilson. Right.
And that wasn't that long ago, right? Right. Like he literally a third round pick.
And now – and Scott Fitterer, the GM, was on that staff in Seattle when they picked Russell Wilson. And I truly believe part of the comfort level is like, we did it with Russell.
We did it in third round. Why can't, why can't Bryce do it? The game has changed.
It's so much more spread out. Quarterbacks are being more protected.
And, and the biggest thing is with Bryce, like he just, he processes faster than any quarterback I can remember coming out of college. Like he just, and it's not just like from one to two to three with its progressions.
It's like – and Kirk Herbstreit, I'll give him credit. He was the first one to say this.
It's like watching Steph Curry. It's like when chaos is happening and everything, it's like – that's when it slows down for Bryce, when it slows down for Steph.
And you see Steph with like all these moves, like everything's going so fast and it's just like slows down makes the pass stops and drops for like that's the same thing with Bryce and I think that's what makes him different than everyone in this class but I think in terms of like what what it will do more importantly for guys that are able to protect themselves and yeah he missed the game last year he had a shoulder injury wasn't able to throw the ball for three weeks in practice so they had a bye week and that kind of freed him up but um but other than that he was durable at Alabama and I think what you have to study is how guys

protect themselves how they get out of the way of big hits how they fall you know that's what

Tuatanga Bayalo is doing with uh jiu-jitsu I guess right now trying to figure out how to fall

how to take a hit and where how your body is gonna you know is gonna absorb contact better

Thank you. jiu-jitsu, I guess, right now.
Trying to figure out how to fall, how to take a hit, and how your body is going to absorb contact better. And so I think, to me, it's as much about the weight.
You know, he was at 204, but he's probably going to play at 195. Can he actually stay healthy and on the field is going to be the big question.
And if he does, then we're all going to study what has he done, how is it that he's able to do that. And for other guys that are coming up the ranks, do they have that same – do they have the same field vision? Do they have the same maneuverability, the same flexibility that he has? Those are the things that are going to be interesting.
He's definitely a case study in and of his own, if you will. Because, yeah, we've had shorter guys before in recent years, Russell being the closest thing too.
But we've never had a quarterback, especially going number one overall, never had a quarterback this short and this lean that's gone on to have success. And we've never had one drafted this high to it.
Yeah. Yeah.
It'll be interesting. You are a veteran of the mock draft game, one of the legends, one one of the goats do you have a favorite mock draft that you've ever done or your best mock draft that you ever put together do you remember like everything falling into line you're like yep that's a plus for todd oh geez i forget the year i got the first eight picks right now i was like i am rolling man and it was like one of my it was like my second or third year.
I wasn't even on TV, unfortunately. I couldn't brag to anyone.
No one wanted to listen. No one cared.
Not that anyone really cares now. But I got the first eight picks right.
I was like, shit, this is easy, man. What's everyone so worked up about? Just eight in a row.
It was like 2002, 2003. Since then, it's been kind of downhill.
know you should do you should do like you know warren buffett every year he says he'll give a million dollars if anybody gets the entire term correct you should do like win todd's millions todd mcshay will award a million dollars if your mock draft gets all 32 picks correct yeah because i'll never have to pay Yeah pay that. Right.
Yeah, that's the trick. I'll match.
I'll match. And I'll double it, Todd.
Yeah. I'm going to double it for you.
Three or four years ago, I think I had like 12 guys matched perfectly, player to that team. And I was better than everyone by a long shot.
But I still – it was basically a third of the first-round pick. So, yeah, will i'll do it right now i will do it right now i will offer one million dollars cash i don't have it sitting around but i'll come up with it one off to sell a house or something one million dollars cash right now to anyone that can prove that turns it in somehow can give video evidence that they got all 32 picks right i I will give $1 million to them.
I love it. I love it.
I'm going to double it, and Big Cat's going to match. I'm going to match.
I will match. But you have to submit it before the draft.
If you submit something that's like video evidence of you holding a newspaper or whatever afterwards, no, no, no, no. It has to be.
I have to lay eyes. You guys guys have an email where people can submit them to? This is a bad idea.
For the email. They're not sending it to my email.
I think it was Billy Hot Takes or Billy... What's Billy's email address? Yeah, sure.
Billy Hot Takes. It has to be submitted to him, otherwise it won't be eligible.
It's not official. It's not official unless it submitted to billy before the draft and you can only get one submission and do we trust billy no that's the best part we can just be like oh he never got anything so we don't have to pay any money we're gonna find out that billy billy's uncle wound up getting a perfect mock draft yeah right oh yeah that's true um has anyone speaking of past mock drafts has any player ever come up to you like in person and talk shit and been like you were wrong, like look at how good I am? Not in mock drafts.
I've had plenty of guys come up. I mean, here's Brady Quinn's sister.
Said she wanted to slap me while we were on the red carpet. At the ESPY Awards one year.
I mean, I've got a whole list. I've got a whole list of guys that have – typically it was when they would come to Bristol for their car wash day and either the agent or the player would say something.
We're doing this Zoom on my phone. I've got a list on my phone.
Yeah, Brady Quinn was not pleased. Brady Quinn's contingent was not pleased.
Jimmy Clawson was not pleased. I'm still waiting for Kuyper to retire.
Yeah, he did not. Yeah, you know what? We won't give the million dollars if anyone gets perfect until Kuyper retires.
That's also part of this deal. Okay.
Yeah. All right.
Because he has to, he said, what was the exact quote? Jimmy Clawson will be like a 10-year starter or something? Todd, I promise you, Okay. Yeah.
All right. Because he has to – he said – what was the exact quote? Jimmy Clawson will be like a 10-year starter or something? Todd, I promise you – I promise you.
You can mark it down right now. If Jimmy Clawson doesn't go on to have a very successful career as a starter in the NFL, I will retire.
He's still waiting. Almost verbatim.
Yeah. He didn't say what year he would retire.

He's a smart guy.

Would you consider yourself to be a draft expert or a draft guru?

Analyst at best.

How do you attain the rank of guru?

I think 30 years.

And you've got to win the mock draft like one out of every three years probably something like that i don't know i i have not i have not reached the status though okay you gotta look at kuyper guru yeah he started the whole business yeah he gets good yeah that's fair that's fair um i saw todd you had a beautiful propaganda piece in the new york post today being like oh yeah joe douglas and i are best friends but we never talk um that was really smart of you uh to throw that out there get everyone off the scent uh when is aaron rogers going to be a jet um i'm gonna guess oh yeah a guess go ahead do your guess. When is this running? When is this running? Wednesday.
He will be a Jet by Wednesday. Ooh.
Ooh. So pre-draft.
When this runs, Aaron, the only thing that could take away from that is if they decide they want to announce with the 13th and 15th pick. And I believe there's a chance as of when we're taping this, there's a chance that they could swap 13 and 15.
But I think whether the Packers are on the clock at 13 or the Jets are on the clock at 13, depending on how that goes, that's when they could announce it. But by the time this airs on Wednesday, I will be shocked if the two teams have not agreed to terms on Aaron Rodgers going to the New Yorkers.
I love it. I love it.
And that's Todd McShay, best friend of Joe Douglas. But I have not talked to Joe Douglas.
Yeah, you know, no, no. Right, right, right.
Read the New York Post. Never talks to him.
They don't talk. We talk in June when we try to get together over the summer.
Right, right, right. Of course.
Yeah, I don't talk to my best friends either. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Never. Honestly, I mean, so much can happen, but there's confidence.
There's confidence that it's going to get done. Let's put it that way.
I like that. I like that.
I'm curious. Just I like to assign like draft value for current players that are in the NFL right now.
How much how much would Zach Wilson be worth in a trade?, could you get a fifth round, six round, seventh round pick for him? Ooh. Um, I will go fifth.
That's higher than I thought you'd say. I'll go fifth round.
I mean, it's only been two years. Injuries were part of the issue, but certainly there are other issues, but there's still talent know I would I would give a fifth I would give a fifth to bring in Zach and give him a fresh start somewhere new I would I'm interested to see how he how he handles Aaron Rodgers and how Aaron Rodgers handles him apparently they have a decent relationship and it could be the best thing that ever happens to him sit Sit behind Aaron for two years and learn a lot.

And take from him and see if he can rejuvenate his career in a couple years.

And if not, then it's time to move on.

Yeah.

I mean, he is bad.

But his ceiling is Patrick Mahomes.

Yeah, right.

That would be the one counterpoint. He's bad at playing quarterback, which is his job.
Well, who would you rather have? Zach Wilson. Give me options.
Or Christian Hackenberg. I mean, obviously Zach Wilson.
Oh, there you go. Okay.
All right. Nice.
Hackenberg was an all-time. Yeah.
I fell for the Hackenberg hype, too. Him and Ryan Mallett, Big Ten quarterbacks with huge arms.
Yeah, you just like big guys with big arms. It worked on Josh Allen though.
Yeah, true. You keep swinging, man.
Just take hacks. Yeah.
Yeah, we just only tell our winners, never our losers. Give us a player that maybe the regular national audience won't know, but you love, whether it be a first-rounder, maybe someone who's going to sneak into the first round, just a guy you love.
You're putting your foot in the line in the sand being like, this is my guy. I love Kalijah Kansi from Pittsburgh.
Everyone's talking about Jalen Carter, and they should, and if he turns out and plays at a level he can, he's going to be an absolute star. But Kalaja Kansi, he's not Aaron Donald.
It's easy to make that comparison. He's short.
He's undersized. He ran slightly faster than Aaron Donald did in the four fives, I think it was.
Just a ridiculous 40-time. And he comes from Pittsburgh.
So easy comparisons there. – he is the most disruptive player not named Jalen Carter for interior defensive lineman.
A lot of people are saying late first could be early second. I think he goes in the top 20.
So Kalijah Kansi is going to be an impact player. And another player that's catching steam recently, I talked to seven guys in the league over the weekend.
And i think six five or six of them asked me about jameer gibbs the running back from alabama and all the talk is about bijon robinson where's he going to go you know could go number eight to atlanta will philly move back a little bit and take him from that 10 spot maybe down two three four spots could he go to detroit at 18 um at 21 to the chargers, will Dallas move up from 26 to go get Bijan? All the talks on Bijan, right? But there's going to be two running backs taken in the first round this year. So if you've got one of those prop bets and it's one and a half, I believe, take the over.
It's going to be two in the first round. And Jameer Gibbs is an absolute stud.
He's Alvin Kamara type. You know, Dalvin Cook.
Like, he's going to get nicked up. He's not always going to be starting for you, maybe 13, 14 games a year, and maybe only 15, 17 touches a game.
But he's so explosive that he's going to be worth it. Can you give me a mystery team? Is there a mystery team lurking out there that might move up and take a quarterback that we haven't even thought about? Oh, that's a good one.
I mentioned Seattle. I don't think Minnesota is going to move up from 23, but I do think that if Henning Hooker falls to them at 23, they could.
I'm trying to think if there are any other mystery teams. I mean, Detroit would a detroit would be an option if they don't take a quarterback at six from 18 i'm hearing they're very happy with jared goth they're very very happy i'm also i concur yeah they are they are but yeah but jared how long is jared goth going to be their guy and forever you have an opportunity for example maybe maybe you take advantage of life yeah he's good yeah they're going to bury him in Detroit.
All right, so take Detroit off. Mike Posner.
What about San Francisco? No, I mean, they've got Brock Purdy. Trey Lance, I think, is going to be moved.
But everyone's saying in the draft, day two or whatever it is, I don't think that they're going to move Trey Lance until the value is high. Trey Lance is going to miss some time this year coming off the injury.
I would guess it's going to be in season or maybe next offseason if they wind up moving Trey Lance. They brought in Sam Darnold too.
I know everyone laughs at Sam Darnold. his, what, his third team now.
But Sam Darnold could – listen, it doesn't take a ton of talent with the quarterback position. You've got all those weapons and that defense around you, and you've got the coaching of Kyle Shanahan to have success in that scheme.
So I think Purdy and Sam Darnold are going to wind up being the guys this year. Yeah, I actually think this is the first year where, you know, whenever the Ravens would draft we would always say like that's a great ravens pick the ravens get another a plus in the first round of this draft they just get guys from baltimore and he's yeah you know ozzy used to be his best friend now eric de costa the new gms his best friend there's a reason he they get an a plus every year.
They could go out and triple themselves.

They could miss a pick like Minnesota did 20 years ago.

By the way, this is the 20-year anniversary of Minnesota

just not turning in a pick.

And Kuyper would still give them an A-plus.

Great job, great job.

Ozzie gave him the hard count right there,

trying to get him to jump off sides.

We'll take the five-yard penalty.

I think the new team that does that is the 49ers.

I think whoever the 49ers take in the first round this year, I'm going to be like, that's such a smart pick. Great job.
Well, you'll be waiting a while because they don't pick in the first round. So there you go.
Great pick. Whenever they make their first pick, I will be like, that is a perfect pick.
Yeah. I think they pick at 36.
They've got three picks in the top 50, but I think their first pick is at 36. Okay.
My mistake, that's why we have you all. Yeah.
To tell you all that inside info. But at 37, you're going to be talking about pick 36, about it was the best pick so far in the draft.
Yeah. Yeah.
First round talent. I got it.
Yeah. All right, Todd, I got one last question.
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I have to ask, because we have you on, are the Bears going to trade out of nine? Or if they don't, who should I be happy that they pick? I don't want them to take B. John Robinson.
What are you hearing? Just tell me. They're not.
Okay. All right.
So tell me, is it going to be Skransky? Is it going to be trade? What's going to happen? I think there are three names you should know. I do think they would trade out if one of these guys is not – if two or three of these guys are off the board or if they just get a really good deal.
I'm told that Pittsburgh's a team that's looking to move up

to go get an offensive lineman.

But listen, they need defensive line and they need offensive line.

I think if they get an option to move back, they possibly could.

But I think Jalen Carter is option number one,

the defensive tackle from Georgia.

If you get the most talented player at number nine after trading out of that number one pick with DJ Moore and all the picks that they got, that's got to be a win, right? Yep. If it's not Carter, I'm actually told, like, Skaronsky makes sense.
I get it. I'm told Paris Johnson from Ohio State, the left tackle, could be a right tackle, is the guy that they're really looking at.
Fits the traits that they want. And certainly, you know, if Justin Fields is going to be your guy moving forward, you got to protect them better.
They've got to have a better offensive line. They got to, uh, block better in the run game.
So I think it's most likely they stay home and it's either Jalen Carter or Paris Johnson Jr. from Ohio state.
I think Skaronsky is a possibility, but he would be third on that list. Okay.
I feel good about it. The beauty of having a bad roster is any pick you can be like, well, that was neat.
So it's great. I think they're going to turn things around pretty quickly.
I do too. They're back.
I mean, I think Ryan Poles is doing a really good job. I think they finally have direction.
They have a coaching staff that's working with their quarterback instead of against them. have a general manager who gets it i think that this we're going to look back on this draft getting dj more number one receiver getting all these additional picks solidifying the offensive and defensive line as much as they can this will be kind of the foundation here i'm not saying they're going to have like a jets hall or a seahawks hall from 2022 but we'll look back on this draft and say, you know what? This helped them get to the next level.
Yes, I like to hear that. It's going to be like the famous Steelers draft, whatever year that was, where they got like five Hall of Famers.
That's what's going to happen this year. Feels good.
All right. I'm glad I could give you hope.
Yeah, I appreciate it. Well, Todd, thank you so much.
Appreciate you stopping by.

I did do my job.

I texted you multiple times this year.

I will do it again this year. Yeah, about who's going to be the Wisconsin coach.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, you told me.

We have a very defined relationship.

What can I do for you?

Okay.

I'm here.

It's transactional.

All right, so I'm going to start.

I'm just going to start just popping off and sending you pictures of my kids.

You got that. You got that.
Also that also i'm gonna send you some coffee so boom all right i like that i've started drinking coffee more this year okay 46 years later i was a diet diet pepsi guy diet coke and then i learned aspartame so i went to diet pepsi but now i can't get i can't get past like 7 a.m without a cup of coffee yes i Yes. I never used to drink it.
Weird. Yeah.
Weird. All right.
I'm sending you coffee. I get it now.
Yeah. It makes sense.
This morning, I actually made my pot of coffee, went to go pour it, just didn't put any of the coffee grounds in. So you need it.
You need the stuff. Yeah.
Yeah. It was just hot water sitting in the pot, and I was like, God damn it.
All right. Well, thanks so much, Todd.
Good luck on Thursday. You got it, guys.
Always fun. I'll talk to you soon.
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And now for something completely different. Okay, we now welcome on our good friend.

He is a draft guru.

Well, actually, we can start there.

It's Daniel Jeremiah, NFL Network Move the Sticks podcast.

We have Todd McShay on this episode as well.

We're doing all the draft talk.

I think PFT asked Todd McShay if he's a draft guru or what was the other option? A guru, expert, or analyst.

Yeah. So which one are you? Yeah, analyst, easy answer.
Guru is kind of gross. Like, that sounds kind of gross.
Expert, expert is arrogant. And then analyst, that seems accurate.
Yeah. Yeah, with the Dalai Lama, he kind of ruined the term guru recently.
You don't want to be tied up in any of that stuff. But, yeah, I think Todd said the same thing.
I think he said analyst. And, really, that's actually a very philosophical question because you acknowledge that you're not a guru, that might make you the truest guru of them all.
Ooh, yeah. See, that's like going three levels deeper than I was able to get.
Yeah. That's solid.
Yeah, so it is draft week. We're diving into all the draft coverage.
We've had extensive conversations with a couple people, but we want to get you on, see what your thought of everything is. So let's start big picture right now.
We're sitting here. It's Tuesday, two days away.
Has there been anything big that you've heard movement-wise in the last 24 hours that is surprising you, whether it be a quarterback, whether it be Jalen Carter, there's a lot of different angles on this draft. I think I've never seen so much conflicting information.
Like, you know, you talk to a lot of general managers, you talk to a lot of teams, you get in touch with the agency, see what they're hearing about their guys, all this kind of stuff. And it's just all over the place.
So I think that's going to make for a good draft because we have literally have no idea what's going to go on, but like just some of the stuff in the last 24 hours, I think Zay Flowers from Boston college can be the first receiver picked ahead of Jackson Smith and Jigba, which I think would surprise a lot of people. You know, that was one Jalen Carter.
I I literally had one GM text me and said, Schneider will not be afraid to take Jalen Carter at five. And literally within 24 hours, another GM said, there's no way that Schneider's going to take Jalen Carter at five.
And I'm like, what do I do with that? So, yeah, it's all up in the air. And then the quarterback thing, I feel like Rice is going one.
And then that um you know all the all the noise away from Stroud at two um I on that one I'm just going to kind of trust my gut and go back to what makes the most logical sense and I'm just going to put Stroud to Houston that that does make sense we've had that same thought so I do want to talk about Jalen Carter real quick because there is a lot of intrigue with him um the off the field stuff that everyone knows about stuff that everyone knows about. So if you're sitting in a war room because you were a scout, forget the off-the-field stuff.
His talent is immense. He's probably the most talented guy in the draft.
But I have also heard the whole he's not a self-starter. It's the motivation things.
How much does that play in when you're sitting in a war room and you're talking about this and how much does that scare you off such a great talent like that yeah I mean it's interesting because you hear that and I've heard that about you know does he like football is you know the effort and all that kind of stuff wrapped up with all the off the field things and I went back through my notes I'm like okay where do I have that he was was low finger dogging it. I'm like, I don't, I don't have anything like that.
And then I'm like, okay, well, this guy knew if he didn't play a down this year, he was going to be a top five pick. He gets a, he gets hurt the first week of the season with an ankle, comes back and plays, then gets a knee and then came back and played at the end of the year.
So I'm like, there's a lot of evidence saying this guy likes football and cares about it and plays hard, and he's a dominant player. I'm 100% comfortable with who he is as a football player.
It's just whether you get to know him personally and feel like you can feel good about where he is in other areas of his life. But the football for me, I didn't have any questions.
I like that answer because I think that there's been now a story written about Jalen Carter and like that he's not loving football but you're telling me the tape that you watch and the fact he's playing with injuries it's completely contrary to what the popular belief has become and you know look and I I'm in practice maybe it's a little bit different I talked to a coach on their staff but and I asked him specifically about this and he he was like, look, the days that he really wanted to go,

he said we couldn't do anything offensively.

They go ones against ones.

They go best guys against best guys.

We couldn't do anything.

That's how dominant of a football player he was.

So maybe that reputation is born out of maybe a practice here or there, but everything I saw on the game tape, I didn't see any evidence of that.

It's also hard for big guys to practice just in general. You you know what it is question it's the anonymous scout there's there's an anonymous scout on the loose I feel like it's been a few years since we had a good anonymous scout just blowing up somebody's reputation before the draft and it's probably just leaked out there hoping that Jalen Carter will fall a couple spots further than uh you know there's one team that like, we just got to get past Seattle and then we're going to step up and grab him.
So whenever I hear all that stuff, like that's anonymous coming up before the draft, I, I always assume it's just like a GM trying to put out a smoke screen. The, my favorite thing about the anonymous scout thing is when I was in the league, it used to be, you know, because in seeing it from the media side of things, they always say, Hey, if you can can't identify the person like let's just get as much information out there as you can so like say i'm working in baltimore um you a report would come out an anonymous afc north scout and you're like oh crap they're gonna think it's me i promise it wasn't me everybody oh we text all our buddies with the steelers and the bangles and the browns well maybe not the bangles because they have a couple scouts.
But the rest of the three of us would text each other about like, oh, it's you, huh? You're the anonymous guy. Do you think you got your reputation as being a great talent evaluator? Because Mel Kuyper is a Baltimore Ravens fan.
So after every draft, he would be like, man, the Ravens really killed this one. And you'd be like, yeah, yeah, we did.
Great job, Austin. Yeah, the Baltimore ties.
No, I think it worked out well that we had a lot of good drafts and then Mel happened to be from Baltimore, so maybe he amplified the message. That's the way I would look at that one.
So one last thing about Jalen Carter, and this is more like big picture when you're talking and you're analyzing these guys. Is there something in the scout room, in the war room, where you say if a guy's so talented, yeah,

maybe he doesn't try practice all the time.

Like, is that okay?

Because I feel like some of these guys, especially big guys,

it's like, yeah, why do they have to go 100 all the time

when they can turn it on for game tape?

They're not a guy who's trying to make a roster.

They have that talent.

They know when to push the pedal and when to hit the brakes. i i it's a conversation we had in baltimore with elody nada because there was a lot of talk about him and you could see it with him on on tape and what people didn't realize is this is like the beginning of the oregon offense where they were running you know fast pace so and people didn't pay attention to the fact that the elody nada was playing snap.
He's playing like 85 snaps at 340 pounds. And then, you know, you're, you're in college where it's bubble screen, right and left.
He's having to chase those things all day long. And so, yeah, he's not going to be able to go.
There's going to be plays where he just stands there and does nothing. Cause the guy's tongue is, is at his waist.
So I think with big guys, you have to take that in. You have to factor that in.

But the NFL practice, the other side of it is NFL practice is a thousand times easier than a college practice. Yeah.
Yeah. That's a good point.
Interesting. You talked about CJ Stroud and the

Texans a little bit earlier. There has been some movement this morning, though.
Will Levis,

in terms of the odds makers, he's gone way up in terms. I think he's he's the favorite to be

drafted second overall. I think he's like I want to say it's like plus 600 or something like that so Will Levis something's happened in the last 12 hours where somebody has put some money on Will Levis to move up have you heard any of that at all do you think there's any credibility credibility to that I I don't uh I to me Indianapolis has been the team I've to him, and a lot of people believe it'll be Indianapolis with him.
I would be shocked, stunned, astonished if the Texans took him at two. I don't see that happening.
That would blow my mind if they did that. And then at number one, I saw his odds went up there with number one.
I mean, I felt like that decision feels like it's been made uh so i don't see the one of those not to me like will levis comes into play maybe at three maybe you know i know arizona wants to trade out of three and everybody you know pegs the colts is the will levis team so maybe there's somebody likes will levis you know tennessee you know somebody like that that wants to come up to three but i can't see him going one or two yeah i've got the numbers right in front of me right now. He went from 50 to one to five to one overnight to go second overall.
Yeah. That's a crazy movement at the last second here.
Yeah. And to me, I think the way that would happen would be if there was a trade.
I do not think Houston takes him at two. So if somebody wants to come up and Houston goes back, then Levis goes two.
But that's the only way I see that happening. So dovetailing off that is we talked to Todd about this, and I'm of the mindset that the Texans would be insane to not draft a quarterback with a high pick this year.
If they do move back, maybe they still move back in the top 10, top 7, and they end up getting a quarterback that way. But am I wrong to think that it's totally nuts to not take a quarterback if you have the opportunity to draft second overall and you're the houston texans i've been singing it from the mountaintops um it doesn't make any sense to me logically and that's why i can hear all the buzz and all the chatter and you know people swearing that they're not going to take stroud and i just keep coming back to the same three names like you're really going to run this back with Davis Mills, Case Keenum, and EJ Perry.
You're ushering in a new coach. You're trying to get some excitement in the organization, the fan base.
I've been there a couple times with the Chargers the last few years, and it's not a great game day atmosphere right now. It used to be awesome when they were rolling.
It used to be a great place. Now there was just kind of – there was no life in the building.
And the way you do that is you get a young quarterback and you give a team and a fan base some hope. And I don't know the whole like, well, we'll just – we'll take somebody at 2 and then we'll wait for a quarterback at 12 or maybe we'll trade back up.
Like getting cute – people always talk about that stuff. It never happens.
Like if you believe in Danieliel jones at 17 you end up taking him at six you know like that's the way that usually goes down so i would say it doesn't make any logical sense for me for them not to take a quarterback at two what how do you have your quarterbacks ranked top five so i have yeah i have it uh if you looked at it kind of like tears i have bryce by himself i thought he was clearly the best one. A little bit of a gap, then Stroud, and then a gap again.
And I think it's literally a coin flip with Levis and Richardson. I think they're both wild cards.
I think the odds are one of them is probably going to end up being really good and one of them is going to be a bust. And I don't have a strong belief or feeling in that either way.
Probably going to be dependent on where they go uh but uh to me i thought the the number one and number two i thought those were the clear clear cut one and two just from like a analysis standpoint what would be the breakdown of on-field play verse uh ceiling like because that's that's kind of what that discussion comes down to with will and anthony richardson is the the tantalizing ceiling versus what we saw them do on saturday so how do you guys judge that in the room well i think about it just like it's it's a journey of where they could ultimately get and so you have to you have to be able to decide where they are have the discussion about where they are now and then how far they have to go and how far they can go so um i i think it's a pretty it's it's a pretty fluid conversation when you're going through that. And I just think the way I'd explain it is Will Levis, he's further along in his journey than Anthony Richardson, but he doesn't have as far to go.
I mean, Anthony Richardson could go way past Will Levis. There's so much more there with him.
To be honest, if Anthony Richardson had the same exact tape but had played 23 games instead of 13 games, I probably would have that flipped. But the sample size to me is what bothers me, because the track record of guys with that limited number of starts is not great.
That's what scares me about Anthony more than anything that I saw on the tape. Yeah.
If a quarterback or a player in general, you could say, like, has all the traits and they check all the boxes, but they're a little bit raw and you need them to develop at the next level, are there any traits that you look for that you would say, okay, this guy, he's got what it takes to continue to mature, like the mental side of his game? Yeah, I think that's the key. So if you look at guys that came out that were raw coming out of college that weren't finished products the recent guys that have been big hits everybody's going to point to mahomes and to josh allen and those guys had work to do to continue to develop mahomes was just raw i mean it was like screens and scrambles at texas tech obviously the huge arm um but just kind of dialing in his footwork a little bit and josh you know had to clean some things clean some things up.
He's kind of overstriding, which impacted his accuracy. He was too aggressive because his team wasn't any good.
So he got into some bad habits there. But the thing those guys, the lesson you take from it is those guys are both incredibly smart.
Their work ethic was like off the charts coming out. And you just bet on those guys.
So if you have all the talent and then you're intelligent and you have the work ethic to go along with it, that makes it a lot easier to bet on those guys. That's why it's hard on this side of it.
With Anthony Richardson, I've heard it's good. I've heard he's smart.
I've heard he's a good worker. But teams that get to spend a lot of time with him are going to have an even better feel on that, and I think that's where your conviction comes from.
Billy's got a question, a rare Billy question. I was just wondering, what's your opinion on going from the Wunderlich to this new S2 cognition test, Bryce Young? Bryce Young scored amazingly on it.
What do you know about the test and why have teams gone to this new cognition test? Good question. Yeah, I had been talking about this over the summer because I love baseball and I'd heard talking to some of of my buddies, actually a GM in baseball was telling me about how they've done this test for a long time and wanted to know if it was starting to catch on in the NFL.
I literally never heard of it as of this summer. So he was explaining it to me and it said, look, it's been very accurate with baseball because if you think about how fast you have to process the release point, the release point the spin you know the location of a pitch like i can't imagine how fast you must think and process to hit a 98 mile an hour baseball so it had been a big part of their scouting process and then i then in talking to some nfl teams i found out okay yeah there's there's uh you know there's i think half the league has been using this for the last five or seven years or so, and they're still in the process of trying to get enough data to know what positions it matters and the relevance of it.
But it seemed to be over the summer they were saying that quarterback, that there's been a correlation between how they do on this S2 test and how they do in the NFL. And they said, the way it was explained to me, there's guys that have scored really well on it that have been bad players, but there haven't been players that have bombed it and been good players.
So it was kind of like a gateway to kind of through the evaluation process. So that's how I understood it.
And the way it was explained to me was, it's like on a computer and there's all these different areas that they try and evaluate you. One of the explanations was you might have six shapes that pop up on the screen, and one of them is different.
Like how fast can you identify the different shape, things like that. It was enough to scare me off of ever wanting to take it, I can tell you that much.
I would love to get my hands on that, actually. I would like to put Hank through the S2 cognition test if we could.
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So do you think C.J. Stroud's 18 out of 100 isn't going to affect his draft stock at all? You know, that was something I think with the teams that have all the historical information would have a better answer for you on that one.
I just know, you know, I always looked at like tests with whether it used to be the wonder lick or or whether it was the athletic tests i wanted to see something that was different than what i saw on the tape and then that would allow you to do more work that's the way i always looked at that but like when i watch stroud i go back through my notes i didn't have any questions about him processing i didn't have any questions about him getting stuck um you know you see some guys you can literally see it it's like they're they're frozen like they'll get through number one in their progression, and then they're just – he's not there, and you'll see him freeze, and they're stuck. I didn't have any notes like that.
So it would have been more personally to me if you heard, okay, he had done poorly on one of these things, and then, oh, gosh, well, that matches up with that one little question that I had on him. That would be a red flag, but I didn't have that.
What about some of the non-quarterbacks? What about the tight end position? Because we've heard about Dalton Kincaid, right? And he's the presumed first tight end taken. But I've also heard, and this might be a gambling thing, but Mayer has been moving up.
Well, I've had Kincaid as my top guy just because of where you put your value in the tight end position. To me, I'm going to lean more towards a guy who can make plays, somebody who's going to be a little bit more friendly in the passing game, and I'll sacrifice a little bit of the run game stuff.
Mayer's a better inline blocker than him. He's just more physical.
So he's more of a traditional wide tight end, hand in the ground, old school tight end, and he's going to fit every team. Every in the nfl can use michael mayer and he'll be able to play and have a a nice solid career i think with kincaid you just get way more upside in the pass game um and you live with him as a run blocker but you know the way the game's set up right now i want my tight end to be more of a friend of the quarterback than the running back how much does uh conference matter when you're analyzing these guys? Because Texas Tech obviously has a defensive player that is mocked to go as high as three, some people are saying, and Tyree Wilson.
Yeah. Or even two with D'Amico Ryans.
You know, he fits – McShay was saying kind of the Bosa mold. but it has been, I believe it was like nine years

since the last time a top 10 Big 12 defensive player has been selected, Justin Gilbert,

who wasn't good in the NFL.

So does that weigh into it at all, where you're like, hey, Big 12 just doesn't produce top

end defensive talent.

Why are we overthinking this and taking a guy who plays in the Big 12? I think it does. I think teams are lying if they say it doesn't.
You know, I thought you were going to go back to Zach Thomas, like the last Texas Tech great defensive player. I'm sure there's somebody in between those two, but I can't think of it off the top of my head.
I like him a lot. I like him a lot as a player.
But where I would say that school thing comes into play is if you're, you know, you give the same grade to Will Anderson as you gave to Tyree Wilson. And then you're in the room and somebody is a Tyree Wilson guy, and they're going to talk about how he's taller, he's longer, he's a little more athletic.
And then my comeback in that room would be, yeah, I've seen Will Anderson play against NFL players for three years, and he's dominated in that conference.

And literally, you go back and you watch the cut-ups. Last week, I went back and watched some of his production from previous years, and it was like, oh, yeah, there's Jamari Sawyer.
He started like 14 games at left tackle in the NFL last year. And it's just one player after another.
You're like, oh, NFL player, NFL player. Like, that has to factor in.
I think it makes it the evaluation. I think you eliminate some of the low-end floor of a player

when you see him play there. And talking to baseball buddies on the baseball side of things, like the SEC baseball, they said it's like the equivalent of double-A baseball.
Right. So they treat that totally different than if you're a player that's, you know, you're playing at some other college, some other conference.
Like Hofstra, yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So I think think you have to factor that and i think you'd be dumb not to what about um so uh going off of that and we know we we have all these like draft cliches like the the steelers will always get great wide receivers they seem to be able to nail that what about the reverse what schools are you like this position they just do better than everyone else we've heard a lot about ohio statewide receivers and how they get coached up is there a certain school or you could go conference where you're like you know what if we pick this guy at this position from this school or conference there's a pretty good chance he'll be a good pro i i always felt and teams i work with we all we always felt if you get guys that's offensive linemen that started in the Big Ten for like, you know, 40 games, they might not ever be a great NFL player, but they're going to play because they're all going to be smart and tough. And you can you can play with them.
You know, they might not be elite players, but those guys hang around. They play for a decade.
So Big Ten offensive linemen has always been a thing. You go to tight ends like Iowa,owa you know you get a tight end from iowa they've had a heck of a run uh at that at that position so that would be another one uh trying to think of who else what other ones would be out there you know the interesting one is that going through some of the notes getting ready for this draft like penn state i don't think they've ever had a corner uh drafted in the first round or it's been like a million years since they've had a corner drafted in the first round first round.
So it does kind of work both ways where you see some trends. You know, USC's been actually a wide receiver school over the last 15 years or so.
They've had a ton of wideouts. I feel like Washington has had a lot of good defensive backs too.
Yeah. Yes, yes.
And I would say Utah. Utah's had a lot of good secondary players.
They've had a ton of, like, safeties that have come out. Another school, Cal.
Cal has a weird number of safeties. They have like six safeties in the NFL from Cal.
Obviously, they haven't been good. Cal has not been good, but somehow they've figured the safety thing out.
There's a bunch of them. Also, we should mention LSU, DBU.
I know that there was a lot of conversation about that, about Texas. No, it'sSU is DBU this is a take I've been mulling over I think I'm ready to finally unveil it and discuss it publicly but it's been bubbling for the last couple years and this year I looked at the 40 yard dash times for defensive linemen because these guys are freaks right we had five guys run beneath a 4.5, the fastest being Nolan Smith at Georgia.
He ran a 4.3940. Is it possible that defensive linemen can become too fast? Ooh, that's interesting.
Over-pursuit? Yeah. With wideouts, we have that conversation with wideouts because if you're going 4.3, to gear down and stop and change direction, it's a lot.
You want to be just fast enough but not too fast. John Ross.
Yes. You've seen Ted Ginn.
You could go through a lot of those guys who it's hard for them to gear down. With a lineman, get off is still everything.
The 40, I wouldn't even really look into that because you still want to just see can they explode as a defensive lineman. But I guess, you know, to me, they're never going to get up to a top enough speed where they wouldn't be able to turn the corner.
You know, they're turning the corner within eight yards. I was just thinking you could over-pursue and leave a big gap that could be exploited in the running game.
So if you have a defensive end that's running, he's coming down the line of scrimmage, could over-pursue, boom, the backside's open for a cutback. Or a tackle would know this guy is a speed demon.
He's going to be getting around me. And so, you know, just on a natural pass rush, he leaves that side of the field open as well.
Now, it's interesting that you brought up the wide receivers because I was thinking that as a quarterback, you probably would like your receivers to be running in the same neighborhood of quickness so that you don't have to adjust your timing, your throws, depending on which guy you're throwing it to. It can't be all over the map.
You can't have one slower guy and then two faster guys. Again, these are the stupid takes that I spend too much time thinking about.
No, these are good theories. There might be a small kernel of truth in there.
So the receiver thing is actually, I think it's really interesting because when I was in Baltimore, Brian Billick used to always talk about we want to build a basketball team. So you want to have one bigger receiver is like your power forward than a smaller quick guy be your point guard.
Like he wanted different skill and different sizes and that's been a philosophy of a lot of the league mcveigh and shanahan have kind of changed that a little bit where they wanted all their guys to be interchangeable like if you look at the the receivers the rams have had from you know uh look at van jefferson cooper cup robert woods like those guys are all interchangeable the one time they went outside that they, okay, well maybe we get Alan Robinson, like kind of that more physical power forward. It didn't work.
He didn't fit. Um, so, so it's, and now obviously the Shanahan McVaytree is going all over the NFL and that's been, you know, Hey, let's get guys that we can put any of them in any spot.
And it allows us to run our offense that way and i would think you would to

your point as a quarterback you know i've got all similar guys that are going to be really really efficient route runners they're not going to be stiff they're not going to be straight line over the top speed guys i would think it makes life a little easier on them so i think you i think you really stumbled onto something with that one yeah awesome um i'll bill you all right uh give us a team that you think could be like a disruptor in the first round. You've heard rumors that they might be moving up or they might even – a team that will trade back.
I know the Cardinals really want to trade back. But what are your disruptor teams lurking out there? Well, I mean, we talked about the Rams.
The the rams pick 36 i believe the rams haven't

been anywhere close to the first round in a very long time and it's almost like they've they have

not been invited to the first round party for several years and i feel like their car is parked

right outside the house and i i would not be surprised if they you know let's just we can get

in let's go let's let's move up they have tons of picks they have a zillion mid-round picks

so maybe that we get to finally see the rams pick in the first round that would be a disruptor

Thank you. if they, you know, let's just, we can get in.
Let's go. Let's move up.
They have tons of picks. They have a zillion mid-round picks.

So maybe that we get to finally see the Rams pick in the first round.

That would be a disruptor.

Ooh, I like that.

My prediction on that is the, when do the Patriots pick?

The Patriots are 14.

They're 14th.

So Belichick loves to just trade back and accumulate fifth-rounders. He would like to build the entire draft out of fifth-rounders if he could.

I wouldn't be surprised if, I don't think that they're going to pick at 14. Do you think that's a realistic scenario? Yeah, everybody in that range wants to trade back.
It's just a matter of anybody who's going to come up. So they've got to find a partner.
But what if our thing came together? What if somehow the Rams traded with the Patriots? Then, I mean, how do we celebrate that? If we call our shot on that. Yes.
Like that's a pretty bold shot. Yeah.
I think Hank should have to get a cat. Yeah.
I think he would love that. Okay.
Hank gets a cat. No, man.
That's good. What is one player that you have that you are like in love with? And maybe everyone's not talking about.
could be give me an offensive and defense players or two players that you, this is Daniel Jeremiah's like line in the sand. This is my guy.
Yeah. There's been two guys through the whole process for me.
So Devin Witherspoon, little corner from Illinois. I just loved him from the first time that I watched him.
So he's like my, he's my fifth overall player. He started out as like my sixth player.
So he's, he's been there for me the whole time. I, he just so feisty and tough.
I think that's like the trait in corners. If you look at bus rates and guys that haven't worked out, a lot of times it's not because they weren't fast or fluid or they couldn't play the ball.
A lot of times, cause they just weren't competitive and tough and feisty. Like he has all those traits.
So I loved him. And then offensively it was Kincaid.
So the first time I watched Kincaid was, I think it was like the Thursday night game against USC. And he had like 16 catches for over 200 yards.
And I was like, they cannot stop this guy. And then I went, dug into the tape, and I thought, oh my gosh, I see Kelsey twice a year doing the Charger games.
And you never want to, you know, I don't want to compare him to Kelsey, but the ability to just get away from people at the top of his route that Kelsey does that just is incredible, I think he's got some of that to him. So those would be the two guys that I love.
That game was just further proof that Utah, playing at Utah at night, is not fair because I remember USC in the first half, it was still sunny out and they were killing them. And then the sun set, and Utah just absolutely murdered them in the second half.
You're like, oh, this is what it's like here. Yeah.
No, that's not a friendly place to play. I remember going up there to scout Eric Weddle back in the day and going to a night game.
And this was when they were Mountain West, and it was a great atmosphere, man. One of the underrated college football atmospheres.
And there's always smoke in the air. I feel like they let off fireworks, and it just lingers the whole second half.
You're like, what the hell is going on here? Why are they playing through smoke? It's incredible. I love watching games there.
There's another quarterback out there that was projected to go a lot higher, Hindenhooker, but he tore his ACL. I guess a two-part question.
One, where do you think he would go if he hadn't torn his ACL? And two, do you think it's still a lock that he's drafted in the first round? Well, I don't think it's a locked into the second part. I don't think it's a lock he goes in the first round.
I think it's a coin flip. There's teams that really like him, but it's hard to see that many guys go in the first round.
So I would not be shocked if he did or if he didn't, if he does. I would say if he stayed healthy through the process, he'd have been a lock and probably would have been a top 15 pick, the way he was trending, the way he was playing.
The three concerns with him, the three knocks on him, obviously the age was one of them, the injury and the offense that he played in. And I think the, you know, the, you know the three concerns with him the three knocks on him yeah obviously the age was one of them the injury and the offense that he played in and I think the you know the injury teams that I've met or talked with that have met with him and done the full workup cleared him said he's going to be fine they're not concerned about the injury the offense kind of that simplistic Tennessee offense where the old Baylor offense where they spread you sideline to sideline the teams that have brought him in and met with him and put him on the board and watched tape with him said he's really smart.
They think he'll be able to adjust and pick it up at the next level. So that wasn't a concern.
And the age, you can't do anything about the age. It is what it is.
But I think he would have been a lock to be a top 15 pick, maybe a top 20 pick at worst. Is the age thing changing a little bit for quarterbacks? Now the quarterbacks are protected protected more or was it always just a maturity thing like they have less growth because like joe burrow obviously was old he's been phenomenal kenny pickett was old he's had a great work he had a great rookie year is that is that shifting a little bit because i'm always curious about the shift of how you guys analyze even small quarterbacks like bryce young 20 years ago no one would have touched him and now it's like hey this guy is phenomenal for what he does he's small but so how does that slowly shift over time how you guys view these things well I think it's totally shifted number one it used to be the age was a huge asset when you get a younger player like that and then I think what you've seen is that the bust rate of the younger guys has been much higher than the older guys.
You're better off taking the Justin Herbert, who's played a ton of college football than maybe, you know, obviously Trey Lance, what we've seen early with him, just didn't have a lot of play time. So I think the age thing is not, you know, is not as big an issue as it used to be.
And then from the size standpoint, I argued with some teams about this because there's still some old school thought about Bryce and how he's just physically not going to hold up. So I was curious.
I went back and watched every time he got hit. I was able to sort the video and watched every time he got hit last year at Alabama.
And I don't have the number in front of me. I think it was 18.
I counted 18 times he got hit. It would have for sure been a penalty, possibly a fine, and maybe even a suspension.
Like if this was in the NFL, the way they let them hit him in the SEC, like it was a thunderdome. And there was not even penalties, like nothing.
I'm talking like helmet to helmet, drive him into the ground, nothing. I'm like, he's going to be more protected in the NFL than he is in the SEC, hands down.
And they're like, well, you know, I still think, you know, with his frame, he ended up missing a couple games. I'm like, yeah, well, go back and look last year.
How many starting quarterbacks of the 32 made it the full 17? Like, you should go into the year assuming that your starter is probably going to miss two games. The majority of them do.
Yeah. That's a good point.
Yeah, I hadn't actually thought about how the rules and the way the game's officiated makes a huge difference with the quarterback play. My last question for you is regarding Baltimore.
So you're plugged in in Baltimore. Is there any chance something happens with Lamar Jackson during the draft? I don't think so.
I think it's pretty complicated. If it were to happen, I think that would be tough to pull off like in middle of the draft.
I would be surprised if he's not there. To me, the thing that makes the most sense, not having any information from inside the building, but just for them to kind of go forward, it makes sense to give him a little sugar over what he's already making.
They gave him that low tender. Give him a couple million dollars extra.
It is kind of like a peace offering just to make sure that he goes, you know, he shows up on time for training camp. And then, you know, maybe maybe part of that agreement is they agree not to franchise him or something like that.
You know, so it seems like there's a short term compromise if they can't reach a long term agreement. OK, my last question.
I saw you did a Reddit AMA, which that was stupid of you, but you had a couple questions that weren't answered. One I'm going to re-ask and one I'm going to give you a tip on.
So we're going to give you a tip on how to deal with the internet. You told us a lot about the draft.
One of them you didn't answer was what was the worst smelling prospect that you ever encountered?

That's kind of a fun question.

That has to be part of it, right?

Like, if a guy smells, maybe if he smells really bad, he's got that dog in him, though.

Or maybe it was just Chris Long because he came out of a little waking base.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Could have been.

Could have been.

And the other one, yeah, if you have an answer for it, I don't know if you have an answer.

Yeah, I'd like to know.

Worst smelling prospect. Or if you want to go best smelling.
You know, I was trying to remember who it was. I want to say it wasn't the smell, but it was at the weigh-in.
They're early in the morning, and this is going back a million years ago. And now he's a coach, and he's done a nice job.
but Dave Ragone was easily the most disheveled person I've ever saw to weigh in coming out of Louisville. Like he had literally – like it was like the most amazing bedhead that you've ever seen.
So that was one that stood out. But he might have just put deodorant on in lieu of combing his hair, so I don't know how he smelled.
That's good. And then the last thing is a tip for you so uh if you ever go on the internet and have people ask you questions you're always going to get the question uh ass or titties you need to just answer every time like we answer a woman's mind so just say that it's an easy one you just be like nope the brain actually is what i'm attracted to it's great too because the person asked the question there's just a bunch bunch of people underneath being like he's not going to answer that dude you walked into it yeah brain the brain the brain or the bank account yeah yeah exactly uh all right well daniel jeremiah thank you so much uh look forward to watching on NFL Network.
It's always fun catching up with you. So much.
We love the draft. We love the draft.
We love what you do. So you put in a ton of work and appreciate you always coming on.
You guys are great, man. I thought you were going to hit me with the hot dog sandwich thing or whatever.
But what is that? Why? Why were they still doing that? I don't know. We passed that.
We always say if somebody asks you that question on the internet they're a cop yeah and it's also yeah it's those and then people who will like go online and just be like bacon's overrated and you're like okay dude yeah we know what you're trying to do here just stop yeah yeah yeah come on that's it we gotta be smarter than that i like that yes man. We appreciate it.
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Okay, let's finish up with Jimbo's, the return of Jimbo's.

Also, Jake, you have Rick Pitino's number.

Can you call him, please?

Yes, I will give it a go.

So, PFT, you think he didn't change his number?

I personally don't think that he did.

What a move.

He's got too many recruits in there.

Yeah.

And probably Rico.

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We love love Rick Pitino He's going to come on the show Yeah he will He'll definitely come on No we already did that Alright Jimbo's Oh Max Sitting in the power seat Fuck Don't worry Hank is here for the lottery ball See See if he gets it. I took an edible on Friday.

30 minutes later, it really kicks in.

I go and pour a Ciroc coconut drink into a 26-ounce water bottle.

Probably a $15 drink.

Set it on the kitchen counter, go to move my MacBook,

and dump the entire drink on the computer and kitchen floor.

While cleaning up, I have to get orange juice for my kid that is going to bed wait wait father you gotta time this better buddy uh with my kid that is going to bed with mom and i'm so high that i managed to dump the entire bottle of orange juice on the same kitchen floor oh no My wife walks in after hearing the commotion,

looks at all this, and just says,

Are you okay?

Is this guy Mr. Bean?

That's one of the situations where you're so high,

and you realize you've gotten yourself into a situation where you have, like, five errors

that you have to clean up in a row,

and that is the absolute worst.

Yes.

By the way, we did a terrible job.

I did a terrible job of introducing this.

For long-time listeners,

they know what we're doing right now.imbos are uh started with jim tom sula when he's like you know when you should have thrown a pass and you and you ran the ball instead that's jimbo so he called his own fuck-ups jimbos so we should do this back in the day fuck-ups we figured because max uh slept in his girlfriend's roommate's bed. That was Jimbo.
You slept with your roommate's girlfriend. Yeah.
You slept with your girlfriend's roommate. I fell asleep with my...
You slept with her. Yeah.
This is the no-hitter debate all over again. You slept with her.
No, no, no. Did you sleep? Were you sleeping? No, no, no.
Were you sleeping? She was sleeping. You were sleeping.
You slept with her. I fell asleep.
Yeah.. Yeah.
So what do you call it? If you went to sleep last night, what did you do? I fell asleep. Rondy did something similar.
What do you do? He just slept with them. Nothing else.
Got it. This next one starts off whatever.
You're so flustered. This past week, I was staying at my girlfriend's house one night, and we went out and got pretty drunk that night.
I woke up in the morning to myself actively pissing the bed. Thank God she was already up getting ready in the bathroom to leave for the afternoon, giving me a chance to hide it for the moment, and then time to wash the sheets all afternoon.
I finished putting the clean sheets back on about five minutes before she got home. Bullet dodged.
All right, PGIT. This is another thing I haven't brought up on this show in a long time, but it's important to refresh people's memories.
I had a similar situation, and I think a lot of people out there have in the past, where they've gotten up in the middle of the the night after drinking and you're peeing somewhere that you're not supposed to pee. Or you wake up the next morning, maybe an alarm clock is covered in pee.
Maybe your keyboard might be covered in pee. Things happen from time to time.
So what I started doing, I would just, while I was sober and maybe as I was starting to drink on a weekend, I would just repeat to myself the mantra of PGIT,

PGIT, which is a helpful acronym to remember pee goes in toilet.

PGIT.

So that way you're working on it and it's buried in your subconscious that every time you pee, you're saying to yourself,

let's make sure this is toilet PFT.

It's a helpful tip.

And I never peed anywhere besides the toilet, besides that unintentionally. So it worked for me.
Hopefully it'll work for you guys out there too. Just start saying when you're sober, every time you pee, if you think you might find yourself in this situation, PGIT, PGIT, PGIT.
I just love that this guy actively was pissing when he woke up. Like, whoa, what the fuck? What are you doing, dude? Like you just pissed at your own penis.

You're like, God damn it, man.

We could have waited a couple seconds.

Got a mind of its own.

Fuck up for the week.

I work at a bank and had a client I was working with and needed some assistance.

The business was named Community United Methodist Church.

I sent out an email.

I sent an email out to a few coworkers-workers with the subject line need help with calm. In my head, I didn't even cross my mind that it was anything but an acronym for Community United Methodist.
Oh, man. I always thought that Patina was a Catholic.
I'm going to get a text from this show. I feel like this happens, though, in work where you just, you know what you got to do is you just got to reverse it and be like, if you thought it was anything else, you're the dirty mind.
Like, get your mind out of the gutter. Yeah, that's true.
They probably, if you're receiving an email from a church and it has that in there you read it and you're like whoa and then you see oh my god this is probably coming from a squeaky clean type person who i'm i'm the bad guy yeah right they're not even thinking about it they made that church name before come even existed yeah yeah um next i i bought a new bike lock and was in my car trying to open it with a big folding knife and i said to myself this is probably really dumb and then my hand slipped and i stabbed the fuck out of my finger and had to go get stitches and a tetanus shot dude is there nothing worse than the moment before the moment where you're like this is this is a really stupid thing and then you just keep doing it like there's no worse feeling when you know you have that like out-of-body experience you're like don't jump off this thing this knife is sharp and you have your thumb in the way i did that a few few months ago at the office with bagel monday and i had there was a really sharp knife i i was like kind of tired because it was during football season and I was like you should probably move your thumb a little out of the way and then just fucking slice the shit out of it yeah those are tough moments I actually I blame the packaging in this situation because I gotta I gotta assume that those solid plastic packages that everything comes in those are responsible for more injuries than probably trampolines those are probably the number one cause of minor injuries i've always learned if there's something that's coming in that sturdy plastic packaging just get a pair of scissors out just use scissors don't try to open it yourself don't try to like tear it open with your teeth don't use a knife just get scissors immediately and save yourself like 20 minutes of frustration and a trip to the emergency the. The most emasculating thing is when you cut yourself on the plastic.
Yeah. Then you're like, I could have just cut myself with the knife and made it easier.
At least I would have gotten it open. The plastic gets under your fingernail and cuts you there.
Whoever designed that, they're a real motherfucker. The specific, yeah, packaging is just the worst.
Yeah. It works, but God damn it does suck.
Got a little drunk after the Timberwolves when karaoke Kendrick's Mad City without skipping any of the words. I'm whiter than Billy.
I'm whiter than Billy. Is this how Morgan Wallen lost his voice? Yeah, this one.
Oh, no. There's nothing really to say about this one.
That's a Jimbo. That is a Jimbo.
Karaoke's so dangerous, too, when you're with anyone at work or anything. It's designed to make you look foolish.
And it's fun. It's so much fun.
But you need everyone to be the equal amount of drunk. Yeah.
Because if there's one sober guy like or one sober person they're like hey remember that last night and unless you're a really good singer there's just a handful of songs that you should you should stick to and most of them are the songs that everybody's going to sing along to sing wagon wheel yeah let everybody else sing it for you i heard that in i think it's the philippines they take karaoke very very seriously and there are a few songs that are like sacred over there so if you try to sing my way by frank sinatra and you fuck it up they will beat the shit out of you oh i like you will get beaten up i think people have gotten killed over messing up my way by frank sinatra i respect that culture yes all right last one last one. jet stream aimed right at my crotch in a panic i went to turn the dial the opposite way to shut it off not knowing it turns on both ways and got a double dose of water shooting at me had to spend the rest of the night explaining to people that i didn't explode into the front of my pants yeah that's a ballsy move to do your first bidet experience at a party yeah you gotta you You got to have like of your own home or like you know a nice hotel i did mine at the lake charles uh at the la bear's resort the pen property down there it does shoot out harder than you would think it's not necessarily gentle you learn to to adjust it so it's not a fire hose i'll say it bid.
Bidets, sus. They're sus.

They're nice.

They're sus.

They're nice, but there also needs to be a drying mechanism that comes right after.

And maybe like a high five.

Yeah.

Like a hand comes out and is like, good job, bro.

Or it needs to play like a beer commercial or some sort of swimsuit ad so that you feel

masculine as you're doing it.

It has to give you a novelty football. Yeah.
A little ones you get at the bank. Yeah.
Like, here you go. Good bidet.
Good water up your asshole experience. You're still a man.
Oh, man. Your bidet gives you gambling picks.
That'd be sick, yeah. Your bidet spits out a parlay for you.
The barstool bidet. Oh, shit.
That's a good idea. Yeah.
Yeah. Let's do it.
Oh's do it oh man it just gets that ass yeah and smoke shows of the day yeah oh man all right uh let's do some lottery ball okay wrapping up the show i think you ever gotten this gone what the lottery ball no okay That's wild. We'll see if you can get it.
Numbers. Season 17.

I'm going to go with, I'm going to do 99. 18.
I was thinking about doing 99 as well. Do you want 99? You can have 99.
Sure. Yeah, you've only gotten it one time.
You can get 99. Okay.
Hey, but ask me if I've ever gotten the lottery. Hey, Big Cat, have you ever gotten this? I have.
All right. No no you go 99 because that's that's bad juju um i'll go go ahead max what's your number i'm gonna go 20 okay i'll go 76 are you just sticking with 17 now that's smart What did you worry about yourself? It took him two years to figure it out.
Oh! Big guy got it! Suck my dick! Suck my dick! Suck my dick! That's fucking life work! That's life work! That's life work. Congrats.
Wow. That's good juju for the series, too.
That's good juju for the series. That was good juju.
Give it back 99. That was good juju.
He gave me 99. Suck my dick, Hank.
You'll never catch me now. I'm happy for you.
Oh, that was easy. I don't know why this has anything to do with me.
That was so easy. That's awesome.
That was so easy. That was a great moment.
Hang another banner. That was a great moment.
Happy for you. great moment.
That's wonderful. That sucks so bad.
I can't believe that. Didn't we say 76? You should guess 76? Yeah, no, I guessed 76 last year.
Yeah, right. No, no, that was our strategy.
That was your first one. March 10th, 2021, so just over two years.
Love it. Love it.
Two years route over. But it's not that hard.
I just thought really hard about it. I was like, I'm sure.
You have the good seat. But that's fine.
Whatever. No, this was our strategy.
We said that we were going to get 76 in your face. I almost guessed 99.
PFT guessed it first. And I said, you have it.
Listen, I'm happy. We're all happy here.
No, you're not happy. This is everyone all for one and one for all.
Billy's not happy. I'm happy.
I'm so happy for you. We all owe you a lot of money now.
Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, I don't need the money.
I have the satisfaction of people chirping me being like, should we start talking about Big Cat only getting once? Guess what? You motivated my ass. You know what? I'm going to give you.
Shut up. No.
This is a preview for PMTV. Don't do this.
Preview for PMTV. Hank got a cash buyout from me for some transgressions I made.
I just gave him $200. That's the second.
How much cash do you have on you right now, Hank? I don't want to get wrong. Okay, yeah.
I'll Venmo you. No, no, I don't want the money.
It's almost two months to the day since PFT got it on February 27th with 55. Love it.
Love it. I'm going to Venmo you for the juju.
Oh, thank you. Thank you.
I mean, that was awesome. I gave him back 99, 76.
Boom. Just felt it in my bones.
So happy for you. Yeah, that sucks though because there were a lot of little Hank stands running around the internet being like, should we start talking about the fact that Big Cat's only gotten it once? And I was like, you know what? That has nothing to do with me.
I'm going to work really hard and try to get a second time.

Max, how many times have you gotten it?

Do you want to ask me how many times I've ever gotten it?

Well, percentage wise, Max is like. Yeah, Max actually is elite.

I have.

He's elite.

He's elite.

All right.

That's the show.

What a great ending to the show.

Yeah.

Hey, it's if you just think hard enough, you can get it.

Just so you know, I am. I am proof proof positive i don't even want to get it yeah okay that's a lie all right we'll see everyone on friday let me get some cats oh yeah Out here, it's not undercast.
I'll be coming for your love. Oh, take me.
Take me. I'll be gone in a day of tea Take on me Take me.
Take on me, take me on

I'll be gone in a dark dream