Brackets With Stanford Steve, Snooki In Studio + NFL Free Agency

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we got a two for the people.

Speaker 1 One of the biggest mismatches in height, Snookie and Stanford Steve. I'd say the biggest difference in...
combination of height and weight of any guest combo we've had.

Speaker 1 And I can't believe they came on together. It's fantastic.
It was crazy. Now they're the best of friends.
Yes, exactly. No, we have Snookie.
We actually taped it probably about a month ago.

Speaker 1 Very good interview.

Speaker 1 But first up, we have Stanford Steve. We're going to get into the bracket, into the picks, into how to survive March Madness.
He is a veteran of the game. He's going to tell us it all.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk some NFL free agency. Aaron Rodgers has still not decided as the taping of this show.

Speaker 1 We're going to do hot seat, cool thrown, and then we're going to do FAQ's March Madness Edition. So gambling, brackets, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 Questions from the listeners.

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Speaker 1 Welcome to part of my take. Today is

Speaker 1 Wednesday, March 15th. Is that the Ides of March? No, that's Friday.
That's the 5th. The Ides of March.
Yeah, the Ides of March. Bad day to be Julius Caesar.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And Aaron Rodgers is being a fucking bitch. He is being a bitch.
He's being a real bitch.

Speaker 1 Everyone, if you didn't know, Aaron Rodgers was a bitch before this.

Speaker 1 Cats out of the bag. This is actually.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is like vindication for me where everyone has slowly been like, dude, just make a decision. This is annoying.

Speaker 1 You're holding everyone else up, which actually he's not anymore, which is nice that everyone's going about their business.

Speaker 1 But as of the taping of this, I think we all assume he's going to announce it on the Pat McAfee show that he's going to the Jets.

Speaker 1 And if he doesn't, memes is going to have an absolute absolute meltdown. Well, he is kind of holding the Jets up.
Yeah. That's definitely happening.

Speaker 1 Well, he's making sure all of his friends get there first. Flight delayed.
Yeah, he's actually taking the Jets hostage in a way.

Speaker 1 So he is pretty much demanding that all of his friends are going to join him. So Aaron Rodgers has put together a wish list.

Speaker 1 At this point, it's probably Randall Cobb, Odell Beckham, Lazardy Gosh, Lazard, the QAnon Shaman,

Speaker 1 Marcedius Lewis, and Eddie Lacey. Shorty Nelson, probably.
It'd be sick if Eddie Lacey called him and was like, dude, what about me? Great China food in New York. Great China food.

Speaker 1 Aaron Rodgers being that guy who, like, you text your buddies and you're like, what time are you all planning on showing up? And everyone's like, oh, we'll be there at 9.

Speaker 1 And then they deliberately show up at like 9.45 to be the cool, fashionably late guy. Yeah, it would be very funny if he told the Jets he was going to go there.

Speaker 1 They signed his friends and then he retired. Yeah.
That'd be funny. That would be very jetty.
Now, I don't hate Aaron Rodgers like you do. I think he's an interesting guy.

Speaker 1 I like to make fun of him because he certainly gives us a lot of material to work with. But in this case, everyone can admit Aaron Rodgers being a bitch.
He's being the worst.

Speaker 1 He is being the absolute worst.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, we're waiting for that. I do have one thing I want to point out on the Aaron Rodgers front before, again, he's probably going to announce it on Wednesday, so everyone should expect that.

Speaker 1 I just want him out of my life. That's all I've wanted.
I know Packers fans are like, oh, Jordan loves the next up, next coming. Let's relax.

Speaker 1 I have at least a year before I have to admit that. R-E-L-A-P-S-E.
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 I'm fine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So I had this thing. So I want your take memes and Billy.
Billy would like this a lot.

Speaker 1 How much, as Jets fans are you

Speaker 1 putting into account the conspiracy theory that Aaron Rodgers being on the Jets will finally

Speaker 1 counteract Joe Namath selling his soul to the devil? Because a WFAN caller called in and was given a lot of time.

Speaker 1 That the theory goes, and I guess it's actually like kind of not a well-known conspiracy theory, but there's more than one guy in New Jersey or New York who believes this, that to win the 1969 Super Bowl, Joe Namath had to sell his soul to the Jets.

Speaker 1 So the Jets have just had no soul for the last 54 years. And this caller goes on to say that Aaron Rodgers is the opposite of that energy because of his psychedelic use and his his darkness retreats.

Speaker 1 That he will somehow bring the soul back into the jets. Well, what has to happen is Aaron Rodgers needs to get really, really high.
So high that he sees the devil. Right.

Speaker 1 And then buy Joe Namath's soul back from the devil. Yes.

Speaker 1 I think he can. Sign and trade.

Speaker 1 I think he can get it high enough. I really do.
If anybody can do it, it's Aaron. Yeah.
So are you guys, have you guys, Billy? I'm sure you've heard of this conspiracy theory.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. My grandfather was NYPD.

Speaker 1 He once saw Joe Namath playing catch with a beer can outside of a nightclub before a big game, bet on him because he told him to hand him a hundred dollar bill, and he won the game.

Speaker 1 This is a real story. This is kind of the reason why my family are Jets fans.
And then everybody

Speaker 1 believe that he sold his soul to the devil for that Super Bowl. But I don't know if Aaron Rodgers' psychedelic use is nevertheless like...
Gonna reverse that or embrace it.

Speaker 1 Because if he embraces it, it actually might have the exact same effect of reversing it. Who knows? If he embraces the lack of soul, soul death

Speaker 1 yeah i mean ego death soul death same thing psychedelic usage if he comes over here with some like you know grand master plan that isn't of anything of christianity who knows what happens the the caller said he said now personally with the psychedelic part of it i think that aaron rodgers is finding out how to combat the devil when he comes face to face with him once he walks into metlife stadium so i I just saw this and I was like, hey, you can mute Billy's mic.

Speaker 1 It's kind of weird sound. I saw it and I was silly.
I was like, hey, every other show is going to just talk about Aaron Rodgers and not signing.

Speaker 1 We should probably address the fact that this signing will finally defeat the devil in MetLife Stadium. Well, it makes sense because Sam Darnold was seeing ghosts there, right? That's a fact.

Speaker 1 So is MetLife hell. They had the black cat that ran out on the field.
This is all adding up for me, actually.

Speaker 1 I feel like the Jets are haunted. Yeah, I do too.
I do too. So, Aaron Rodgers.
I'm going to love Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 I'm going to love how he treats the New York media because he's going to treat them like dog shit. Yes.
He is beneath dog shit. He already is, and he's not even a jet.
That's the best part.

Speaker 1 That's going to be very funny to watch how he deals with, as we learn from Billy's presentation, the venomous New York media. Yeah.
So I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 1 Now, Leroy did get a scoop yesterday and put it out. I just want to make it clear that Leroy's information is rock solid.
And different than Trey Wingo's. Different than Trey Wingo's.

Speaker 1 Because Trey Wingo had everyone...

Speaker 1 He basically basically called it done in the afternoon on Monday. Memes was cursing Trey Wingo's name after that happened.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so the information that was passed to Leroy was that Aaron has been telling people close to him, including this one person who I can verify is very close to Aaron Rodgers, that he's going to New York.

Speaker 1 So now he's just kind of taking his time. Yeah, he's waiting.
He's chilling. He likes to be the talk of everyone.
He basically has found a way to make his signing like four-day fodder.

Speaker 1 And and then he's going to somehow spin it and be like, The media always talks about me, and it's bullshit, and I don't like it. But yeah, he has held up everyone.

Speaker 1 He likes to be the center of attention. This is what he's doing.
Hold on, we got last three. Don't foul.
They fouled. I knew this was going to happen.
I have southern Missouri plus three and a half.

Speaker 1 I saw this coming from a mile away. That's all I want to say is it's good to get your first loss out of the way.
The first game of the tournament. That's true.

Speaker 1 I am sorry, dude.

Speaker 1 That was so fucking brutal. And you knew the math in your head, if they didn't shoot late enough, that that exact thing was going to happen.
We also got Sam Darnold to the 49ers, which I love.

Speaker 1 I love that signing. I feel like

Speaker 1 we always say, imagine any quarterback

Speaker 1 in Kyle Shanahan's system. Sam Darnold works in Kyle Shanahan's system in my brain.
It also tells me that they really don't like Trey Lance at all.

Speaker 1 And not sure if Purdy's going to be healthy for the start of the season. My guess is that he's probably not if he just got the surgery right now.

Speaker 1 But I think the fact that they signed Sam Darnold means that we can probably take Tom Brady out of the question of if he's going to the 49ers.

Speaker 1 Sam Darnold is going to take the Niners to an NFC championship game. And we're all going to be like, is Sam Darnold good? No, he's on the Niners.
That's just what happens when you go on the Niners.

Speaker 1 You play with really good players and you get really good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, Brock Purdy, I still think Brock Purdy could be the guy, but then I think you put Brock Purdy on, I don't know, for example, the Seahawks or the Raiders, and he's one of the worst quarterbacks in the league.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But for whatever reason, it works.
Every offense should be run like the San Francisco 49 offense. So we have some other free agent signings we should get through.

Speaker 1 I mean, we talked about Derek Carr last week. I don't know what the Raiders are doing.
Jimmy Garoppolo, it feels like

Speaker 1 it feels like Josh McDaniel's just doing the exact same thing that he did when he was in Denver, where he's like, I got to get my Patriots guys in because I like Jimmy Garoppolo, nice guy.

Speaker 1 Derek Carr is better than Jimmy Garoppolo. Oh, yeah.
So That was fractured.

Speaker 1 What was the plan here? I guess maybe if they draft someone

Speaker 1 and he's your bridge quarterback?

Speaker 1 They might draft somebody, but that relationship was fractured between Derek Carr and Josh McDaniels. But then you go back and you say, well, who fractured that relationship? Oh, yeah, Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 1 Right, right. So Derek Carr goes to the Saints.
Jameis Winson re-signed with the Saints, by the way. He's backup.
Andy Dalton to the Panthers. He's staying in division.

Speaker 1 You never want to see that if you're the Saints. No, how could you let a guy, if you really love Andy Dalton, you would do whatever it takes to get him off the streets and not go to a division rival?

Speaker 1 The Panthers are signing everybody too. Yeah.
Panthers, David Tepper is like, you know what? I got money. Let's spend it.
I'm a rich guy.

Speaker 1 I was actually thinking about the whole Bears draft trade with the Panthers the other day.

Speaker 1 And if there's a guy that would want to buy a distressed asset like the Bears' first overall pick and then flip it for more money later,

Speaker 1 it is David Tepper. He would treat it like the stock market.
Yeah, that is true. And

Speaker 1 Max, your Eagles have been gutted. They got a little haircut.
Gutted.

Speaker 1 Rashad Penny. Rashad Penny.
There you go. That's true.
Rashad Penny. And Boston Scott.
So you're good. And Kelsey.
Those guys play Kelsey.

Speaker 1 They play defense.

Speaker 1 Nicobi Dean, Jordan Davis.

Speaker 1 They dropped those guys for a reason. The biggest one was obviously Javon Hargrave going to the 49ers, which makes the 49ers' defense even scarier than it already is.
Oh, Bradbury also.

Speaker 1 Bradbury resigned. That's the guy who.

Speaker 1 Stop.

Speaker 1 Bradbury was good this year. Bradbury saved a life, though.
He did. He saved that reps.
He saved the reps' life after the Super Bowl by saying that he held him. Texans got Case Keenum.

Speaker 1 Gonna have to be reminded of that, Jake, maybe two weeks before the season starts. It's coming home.
Case Keenum returns to where he started his career. That'll be nice to see.

Speaker 1 It was also just a reminder that he's still in the league. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 The Bears have actually got T.J. Edwards, another Badger.
So we got Jack Sanborn and TJ Edwards, the Badger linebackers, and Tremaine Edmonds.

Speaker 1 Also a good signing.

Speaker 1 Listen, I know that people are going to be like, oh, the Bears, it's always good to win the offseason. Like, crown them now.
They're going to win. I've seen the meme going around.

Speaker 1 If you love me at 3-14, or if you like me at 3-14, you'll love me at 6-11. That's a hurtful meme.
I don't like it. But the Bears have a shit.

Speaker 1 They're the worst team in the NFL. They had to start filling holes.
I saw a stat where they signed Edmonds,

Speaker 1 TJ Edwards, and Nate Davis, who's going to hopefully shore up the offensive line although they need to do more work on it.

Speaker 1 And they still have the most cap space because they're a bad team with no good players and they need to get good players. Yeah, they had to do this.
Right. You'd rather win the offseason than lose it.

Speaker 1 Said the same thing about the Eagles last year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I also like how Ryan Poles is doing this because

Speaker 1 it's how I would run a team in terms of like you just are going position by position and checking boxes so you don't have to worry about it anymore.

Speaker 1 So, he did DJ Moore, all right, we don't have to worry about drafting a wide receiver. Then he went and got a bunch of linebackers, like, okay, we're good there.

Speaker 1 One less thing I have to worry about in the draft. That's a very like, or like in my mind, I'm like, that's smart how he's doing it.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it is, I think it is, and yeah, I'm very excited that the Bears are signing guys. Well, when you're three and 14, you have a lot of positions of need.

Speaker 1 We were the worst, we were so bad on the defensive side of the ball. And I know people are like, oh, you're signing linebackers.
You You got rid of Roquan Smith.

Speaker 1 Matt Eberflues was a really good coach of the linebackers at the Indianapolis Colts. So I think he's going to get the most out of these guys.
And I'm very excited. And TJ Edwards is a Chicago guy.

Speaker 1 So it's, I'm happy. I'm happy.
And people are trying to, they're trying to ruin my happiness. Can I give you some advice? Yeah, I'm not going to let them.
No, I'm not letting. Just log off.

Speaker 1 No, no, I'm not going to. Just touch grass for a second.
Listen, people are going to. Just log off.
People are going to try to ruin it. We won't let them do it.
What did Tyler the Creator say?

Speaker 1 Like, you can't get cyber-bullied. Where do you think you just turn off your phone? Yeah, no, I'm, listening.
I'm not kidding.

Speaker 1 I know what people are trying to do, and I know that you have to play the games. No one does win the offseason.

Speaker 1 No one wins the Super Bowl in the offseason, but the Bears are doing things that are making me happy, and I'm going to sit here and be happy about it.

Speaker 1 I also saw a stat that the teams that spend the most in free agency, they actually improve the most in terms of win percentage. We have

Speaker 1 terrible players.

Speaker 1 If you have a bad team, you have to get better at playing football. How do you get better at playing football? You get better players.
Yep. How do you get better players? Free agency.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So it's happening. It's not like a long, you know, if a team is established and they've got a good culture and they're a well-run organization, then yeah, maybe you don't build in free agency as much.

Speaker 1 Maybe you just rely on what works, which is the draft. But if you're starting with a pile of dog shit, you got to plant a couple roses in there.
And it also, this free agency, because

Speaker 1 Alan Lazard went to the Jets, Jacoby Myers went to the Raiders, which again, Josh McDaniels is just like, I got to get as many New New England guys in here. Is he going to play quarterback?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 But it made me realize I like the DJ Moore trade even more because there was no wide receivers.

Speaker 1 Like, who are the big wide receivers that are moving? Yeah, Odell Beckham. I don't think he was coming to Chicago.
Probably not. So, like,

Speaker 1 and you have to figure out quickly what you have with Justin Fields this next year. You can't be like, all right, hopefully we draft someone who's really, really good.

Speaker 1 So that great, I've now made it Airbnb trade.

Speaker 1 whole legal tampering window is so funny to me that the NFL came out and said, well, okay, it's tampering, but it's legal now.

Speaker 1 Starting two days before free agency, the illegal thing, it's still going to be illegal, but we're going to make it temporarily legal for two days. They're going to have to have like a

Speaker 1 legal tampering window that opens up because these deals get done even before the legal tampering window starts. Yep.
They're just going to have to keep backing up.

Speaker 1 The one player that it's affecting, you know who that is? Who? Lamar. Yeah.
Because Lamar doesn't have an an agent.

Speaker 1 So it would be illegal, legal tampering if they tried to legal tamper with Lamar because they would be contacting him directly.

Speaker 1 Another team would be reaching out directly to Lamar, who's under contract with the Baltimore Ravens. So they have to wait until Wednesday to reach out to start that negotiation process.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's the Lamar Jackson-Ravens relationship, I would say, is not going well. No.
No, well,

Speaker 1 what was the tweet? He tweeted out. Somebody said, like, this is why you turned down like $200 million guaranteed.
And then he just did a cap meme at him. Yeah.
Like, this is cap.

Speaker 1 And then he replied with $133 million guaranteed, but I need an agent. And then the why the buddy pregnant emoji.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I think he was saying that he maybe had an offer from the Ravens of $133 million a year or $133 million guaranteed

Speaker 1 for three years. And so that might be what he turned down.
But that's the shit's going to hit the fan pretty soon with Lamar. We're going to find out.

Speaker 1 I'm sure that there are going to be some teams teams that are going to finally be like, okay, yes, we are desperate. Let's at least try this.
Yeah, let's try to do this.

Speaker 1 And it just, whenever it devolves to memes on Twitter, your contract negotiations, I'm going to just say it's not going well. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel like that's a fair way to assess the situation. It's not good.

Speaker 1 All right. So we also had, let's see, McGlinchey went to the Broncos.
He's a recurring guest. We never talked about the Jalen Ramsey trade to the Dolphins.
The Dolphins. At least.

Speaker 1 The Dolphins feel feel

Speaker 1 a little super team-ish in a bad way.

Speaker 1 A lot of dudes. You're just thinking of Jalen Ramsey.

Speaker 1 When Jalen Ramsey went to the Rams, it's like, okay, super team. Now he's going to the Dolphins.
So you think that that super team carries over? Yeah. They're happy with Tua.

Speaker 1 They're going to stick with Tua, apparently. And I hope Tua plays.
Yeah, I was looking at what they got, what the Rams got for Jalen Ramsey. It's not really anything.
No. It's not a lot.

Speaker 1 That's what happens. It was the same thing last year with Khalil Mack.
And everyone's like, oh, you didn't get anything.

Speaker 1 If a guy's a little bit older and he's getting a lot of money, it's hard to move him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I like the move, though. Yeah.
No, I mean, if I'm Jalen Ramsey, I love the move. Yeah.
The Dolphins are going to be very good. I just.

Speaker 1 They have a lot of dudes.

Speaker 1 They have a lot of names now.

Speaker 1 I need to look at the stats and see how much more money he's going to make in Florida because no state income tax. Oh, it's going to be huge.
As opposed to California. It's going to be huge.

Speaker 1 What other pig? Darren Waller to the Giants. Darren Waller to the Giants.
I love that move. Yeah, I mean, anywhere Darren Waller goes.
That's an addition. And there was a weird...

Speaker 1 So I think I have this right. Darren Waller just got married to, I don't know her name.
She's on the Las Vegas Aces.

Speaker 1 And I think they were trying to keep the wedding under wraps. And Josh McDaniels accidentally said it out loud at the Combine.
And then he got traded 10 days later. So that, yeah, I would be upset

Speaker 1 with Darren Waller. Yeah.
Now, I would like to go ahead and say

Speaker 1 full scholarship on the table right now for Darren Waller's kid with the Las Vegas Aces player. Yeah, let me find her name.

Speaker 1 We're being very misogynistic. In any sport to James Madison University.
Love it.

Speaker 1 It's unborn. Kelsey Plum.
Kelsey Plum. Kelsey Plum.
Kelsey Plum and Kelsey Plum's husband. Their child, I would like to make a scholarship offer.
Any sport. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Regardless of what it is, that kid's going to be a freak. All right, so according to a report, Waller was upset with Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 1 The head coach apparently leaked the news of the wedding with WNBA star Kelsey Plum by accident during the NFL scouting combine.

Speaker 1 Waller was upset with McDaniels when the Las Vegas Review Journal posted a story announcing the wedding. It was scheduled later in the week, so it was before the wedding.

Speaker 1 The couple had not publicly announced their plans to get married. Josh McDaniels is just repeating history.

Speaker 1 Like, this is, this is, this guy can't get out of his own way. A lot of people don't like their Las Vegas weddings to be following them around places.

Speaker 1 Were they married by an Elvis in person? But this is just so classic, Josh McDaniels. Like, how do you start tight end? He's like, hey, coach, I'm getting married, trying to keep it under wraps.

Speaker 1 He goes to the combine. He's like, oh, yeah, Darren Waller's getting married, trying to keep it under wraps.

Speaker 1 How do you possibly accidentally leak that information? That's double. You know what? Darren, you probably shouldn't have told Josh McDaniels.
Yeah. He wouldn't have known.

Speaker 1 Well, knowing Josh McDaniels, he probably didn't like Darren Waller. Was like, here's how I can get him mad, so mad that he demands a trade.
Yeah. History repeating itself, Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 1 Just pissing off all of his players. He's going to go back to New England and then he's going to get hired again as a head coach in five minutes.
They're just going to piss off everyone. Yep.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. What other ones did we miss? Anything else? Stephon Gilmore got traded.
Oh, yeah. Matt Ryan got cut.
Now, Stephon Gilmore. Oh, he did.
Yeah. That's right.
That was sad.

Speaker 1 He should have just retired. Yeah.
Stephon Gilmore is

Speaker 1 one of those guys that, like, he was really elite, and he hasn't been elite, but you see his name flash and you're like... Oh, shit.

Speaker 1 Nice job. Nice job, Cowboys.
Still good. Still good.

Speaker 1 If I could draft him in my fantasy league, I would. And everyone would be like, that's a reach.
I'm like, what are you talking about? He was awesome five years ago.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Cowboys are happy with him. A lot of players on the Cowboys were making, it felt like they were doing the eyeball emoji tweet.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 A lot of those guys, and the speculation is that they might try to get Hopkins because Hopkins is going to be available. Ooh.
A lot of teams want Hopkins, though. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I would say the Patriots, but the Patriots, they don't really like having good wide receivers anymore. Yeah.
I'm trying to think. I'm going through the whole list.
Marcus Davenport to the Vikings.

Speaker 1 I mean, that should help their defense, although I think

Speaker 1 coming home. Mike White going to the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 The New York Post, or maybe it was WFN, posted a picture of him with a halo around him that looked like he died. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it did. I did the Dwight Howard Lord carry him now because it actually looked like Mike White's dead.
No, he's just going to Florida. That's what happens to people from New York right before they die.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right, exactly. He's going to die.

Speaker 1 We all do. The Falcons got Taylor Heineke.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Fly-free, my sweet prince. Yep.

Speaker 1 A lot of people were trying to get under my skin about that this morning online. I'm happy for him.
Yeah. I've been cash.
Hey, can I give you a piece of this? I'm sick on that. Log off.
Log off.

Speaker 1 I did. I logged off for quite a while today.
I'm very happy for Taylor. He got paid $20 million to your contract.
Always welcome on the show. $10 million a year.
Always welcome.

Speaker 1 And he knows that he'll come back on. But good for him.
I'm happy for him. My prediction is that he's going to be the starting quarterback next year.

Speaker 1 I think he's going to beat out Desmond Ritter in camp. That's just what Taylor Heineke does.
And the fact that they're giving him a bunch of money.

Speaker 1 Why aren't the Falcons trying to get Lamar Jackson? They, I don't know. Didn't they try to get Deshaun Watson? Yeah, they were in on that.

Speaker 1 If you were in on Deshaun Watson, why wouldn't you be in on Lamar Jackson? I think they've got that cap room assigned for Will Compton. Yeah, I guess so.
But that doesn't make sense, right? On paper?

Speaker 1 No, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 I would rather have Lamar Jackson. It doesn't at all.
If you're going to spend a lot with all the warts of Deshaun Watson, you're going to spend all that. We don't know that he's got warts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. It's just hand jobs.
That wasn't part of it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You'd think Lamar Jackson would be maybe thought about retires. Yeah.
Well, what was weird is they were the first team, I think, to say we're not going after Lamar.

Speaker 1 But maybe they were just saying that because of the tampering window. They can't content.
We're not going after Lamar Jackson until Wednesday. Till Wednesday.

Speaker 1 Then it's on. Then it's big-time Lamar.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And Jared Stidham's on the Broncos now.
He's going to really push Russell Wilson. There we go.
Yeah. So, all right.
So the Raiders, they have Jimmy G at quarterback now.

Speaker 1 And who else?

Speaker 1 I don't know. They'll probably get like Ryan Mallett or someone, maybe Bailey Zappi.
I don't know. Although Bailey Zappi came in after Joshua James left.
I was about to say,

Speaker 1 based on vibes, they seem like they would go for a former Texans quarterback, Davis Mills. Yeah.
Or Brian Hoyer.

Speaker 1 Is he still around? Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's probably around. Where's Brian? Matt Castle?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think Shefty put out a tweet earlier today that was saying that Chad Hinney has received interest from at least one team, but as for now, he's still retired. So Chad Hinney could come and

Speaker 1 play for the Raiders. Also, stay very woke on this.
Schefter, we love him. Schefter's gaming the system.
Oh.

Speaker 1 He is now, he's gone through a pattern, and I've seen this on like four or five different tweets that he's put out when he's breaking the news live. He will say the transaction.

Speaker 1 And then he'll edit the tweet to add in a picture. Oh.
After it's already been tweeted out. So he's doing the speed.

Speaker 1 So he's going for speed, but also by uploading that picture, it makes that tweet stay at the top of people's timelines. Because it's like this is an edited tweet.

Speaker 1 And for whatever reason, Elon has it in the programming where even as you keep refreshing, if it's an edited tweet, it stays at the top. So he's like retweeting himself constantly.

Speaker 1 Constantly retweeting himself by editing every tweet once. What a cheese.
I mean,

Speaker 1 that's why he's at the top of the game. Yeah.
All right, before we go to Hot C Cool Throne, memes, I want to hear from you real quick. Where are you at mentally? Not great.

Speaker 1 I just want this to be over. Yeah.
He's really, this is what he's going to do, though. He's like, it's basically getting the relationship off on a wrong foot.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Can I tell you something?

Speaker 1 Aaron Rodgers, great quarterback. Really, really, really, really, really good.
Great quarterback.

Speaker 1 I have a feeling like the way that this is started, it feels like his heart's not all the way into playing for the Jets.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but historically speaking, it makes sense. Yeah, I mean, he's going to be the best quarterback that you guys have had on the team for a very long time since.

Speaker 1 Ever.

Speaker 1 Ever. Yeah, probably ever.
He's still going to be that good.

Speaker 1 But you have to question it. I mean, not to bring up Barcelona Van Talk, but it is kind of like that scenario.
Yeah. It seems like even before it happens, it's off to a rocky start.

Speaker 1 So what I'm saying is they're going to bench him after one quarter if it follows in our footsteps. But you know what I'm saying, right?

Speaker 1 It feels like if Aaron Rodgers really, really wanted to play for the Jets badly, this probably would have been over by now. Oh, yeah, for sure.
But what's the deal with Randall Copp?

Speaker 1 I mean, he just... He's a security guy.
Somebody's got to explain that. Aaron Rodgers just loves him.
He's his best friend. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's going everywhere.

Speaker 1 I respect that about Aaron Rodgers. He's like, if you're going to sign me, you got to sign Randall Copp.
And you know what? We're doing the Twitter. We're trying to ruin your fun.

Speaker 1 So let us not do that. Aaron Rodgers on the Jets.
You guys will be a Super Bowl contender. I really do believe that.
Oh, I agree. Yeah.
I agree. Look at that, memes.
You're getting excited?

Speaker 1 At least preseason. Yeah.
You're going to have a full off-season of buzz and expectations.

Speaker 1 That's going to be fun. Super Bowl? Super Bowl contender.
No. Yes.
No. Absolutely.
I think going into the season. I'm just in disbelief.

Speaker 1 He hasn't been traded yet. Okay, but if he's on the team, you are a Super Bowl contender in my mind.
And I'm not doing this as like a bit. He is very, very good.

Speaker 1 I know from first-hand experience how fucking good he is.

Speaker 1 All right, then I'm here. All right.

Speaker 1 By the way. Did you play the Bears next year? No.
No. No.

Speaker 1 Someone was like, would you rather, one of the worst Would You Rathers I've ever seen on Twitter tweeted at me, would you rather the Packers win the Super Bowl or Aaron Rodgers and the Jets beat the Bears in the Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 I would definitely rather lose the Super Bowl. Yeah, we've established that losing the Super Bowl.
Do you mean the Bears go to the Super Bowl? Losing the Super Bowl would be fucking sweet. Sweet.

Speaker 1 I still hate the Packers. It's just, I hate Aaron Rodgers as well.
But I hate the Packers more than Aaron Rodgers, especially now that he's gone. He's gone.
He's gone. Hey, Hank isn't here.

Speaker 1 Should we do numbers?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Fuck it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 What do you got, Billy? 69? Yeah, this counts. This counts.
Officially, this counts. Wait, let me get my money out.
This counts. 18.
I'll go 17.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go with.

Speaker 1 We have numbers at the end of the show, too, with Hank here, so he does get a real shot. i'm gonna go 77 oh man if 17 comes up 20 i would i would do anything for 17.
anything 12 anything you and drink

Speaker 1 anything

Speaker 1 anything

Speaker 1 one oh one you whoa gross

Speaker 1 gross

Speaker 1 All right, we recorded the rest of the show earlier in the day, so let's kick it to ourselves. Stanford Steve was awesome.

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Speaker 3 If I was to describe you in one word, it would be sadistic.

Speaker 1 Sadistic?

Speaker 3 Why?

Speaker 3 What is happening right now?

Speaker 1 Hank accidentally told me that. Not accidentally.
Like, this is a problem. You know, I thought it was a safe space.

Speaker 3 I thought we're a family in here. I thought we can tell each other things that we're vulnerable or we're sensitive or like, you know, things that bother us, and it's going to be okay.

Speaker 1 When has that ever been the case? I told Big Cat. I've never ever ever been the case.

Speaker 1 There's so many things I don't. I didn't tell you guys I was afraid of heights for seven years.
That's true. Because we went up to the Empire State Building.

Speaker 3 Big Hat was rattled because me and PFT were right about how to highlight it.

Speaker 1 PFT actually said he does it both ways. He's bi-curious when it comes to bracket highlighting.
Yeah, I swing around.

Speaker 3 And then he.

Speaker 1 In college, he did it one way. Experiment

Speaker 1 wasn't for me.

Speaker 3 And Big Hat basically stole my bracket from me.

Speaker 1 Well, no, I'm holding your bracket because I want you to highlight every game when we're in Columbus.

Speaker 3 And then he started to fold it up, and I cringed. I was like, I really hate that sound of folding paper.

Speaker 3 And Big Hat has spent the last 20 minutes being like, is your head, like my headphones on, on because I have to worry about sneak attacks now, which is problematic for this podcast.

Speaker 1 I realize you just called folding paper a sneak attack on you. It is.

Speaker 1 We're now finally getting justice for your yawns. Oh, no.
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 I'm going to have a piece of paper on me at all times. Hank releases a yawn post.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 We also found out that Max hates the sound of paper rubbing together like this.

Speaker 1 We got you guys.

Speaker 1 That's corner.

Speaker 1 Okay, go ahead. Put your headphones back on.
I won't do it again. No.
We're going to have a sound of paper tearing when you go like,

Speaker 1 oh, I like that.

Speaker 3 That's fine. Okay.

Speaker 1 Are your hot seat cool?

Speaker 1 Oh, no, Hank. You winced.
You winced a little. That was a big one.

Speaker 1 You didn't like that, Max? Carson Wince. I mean, now we're just being rude to the listeners.
People are going to be. No, no, they know.

Speaker 1 No, they're happy. It's ASIC.

Speaker 3 They used to care. They've changed.

Speaker 3 My cool throne is, I have a couple. First one is Wales.

Speaker 1 Oh, great. You're not doing a hot seat first.
My hot seat was me because I have to deal with the sadistic, two sadistic freaks on the other side of the room.

Speaker 1 Let your freak flag fly, Hank.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I just feel like, you know, I can't be myself.

Speaker 1 I can't be vulnerable.

Speaker 3 And that's sad.

Speaker 3 And my cool throne is Wales.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Brendan Frazier won the

Speaker 1 Oscar.

Speaker 1 Dude, what a comeback for Brendan Frazier. Yeah.
Brendan Frazier, it turns out, is a universally beloved person. Well, he, he, I mean, it's a tale as old as time when it comes to just like culture.

Speaker 1 We tear people down, and then when we build them back up, we're like, we always loved that guy. It's like, well, Hollywood, you tear him down for many, many years.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm proud to say I never tore down. I did not participate in the tear down of Brendan Fraser.
School ties. I still think Monkey Bone is a great film.
Yeah. Mr.
Encino Man. Was he in Cino Man?

Speaker 3 What was the movie with Elizabeth Hurley?

Speaker 1 Bedazzled.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Steve Nebraska. I love that movie.
Proud Bonk. That is maybe my most proud bonk of all time.
And to this day, Elizabeth Hurley would.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, definitely.
Wait, wasn't he Steve Nebraska in

Speaker 1 what was that movie? George of the Jungle is how I remember him.

Speaker 1 The Scout? Yeah, the Scout. He was Steve Nebraska.
That's right. The pitcher that also hit dingers.
And he pitched, I think, a perfect, perfect game. Yep.
Where he all strikes. Yep.

Speaker 1 He got lowered into the stadium from a helicopter, I believe. Dude, Brennan Frazier rocks.
So fuck you, Hollywood. Also, fuck you, Hollywood, for leaving off Pauly Walnuts,

Speaker 1 Michael Servino. or no that's not his name fuck people are gonna get mad that i actually just doubled down on it with ray liada on it

Speaker 1 yeah michael servino was the right name no that was not his name paul servino uh they left off some like pretty big names paul servino remember he was the boss and good fellas uh they left him off paul

Speaker 1 gulattieri yeah uh no his name's paul servino that's actually his name and then they left off poly walnuts yes which is bullshit that is bullshit absolute bullshit and tom seismore Hollywood phonies.

Speaker 1 They left off Tom Sizemore. Yeah.
And also, Top Gun didn't win best picture. Bullshit.
Well, the Whale did. No, the Whale didn't.

Speaker 1 Everything everywhere all at once. That's our Oscars recap.
Yep. Hope everyone enjoyed it.
Nobody got slapped. That was bullshit.
Yeah. That was bullshit.

Speaker 1 Speaking, and then my other cool throws. Was

Speaker 3 well, shout out Wales. A lot of them are dying in Washington, New Jersey.
We got to figure that out, Billy.

Speaker 1 Are they, really? You got our best man on it.

Speaker 1 Sonars. Oh, sonars, okay.

Speaker 3 It's actually true.

Speaker 1 Reda is kind of killing them. What if they're just too fat?

Speaker 3 No, it's like some, it's what Billy's saying.

Speaker 1 Sonars? Reda, low-key. Really? Oh, no, it's windmills.

Speaker 1 It's windmills. Windmills.

Speaker 3 Windmills.

Speaker 1 How are windmills killing them?

Speaker 3 Send off sonar.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they

Speaker 3 fuck them up.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it fucks them up.

Speaker 1 They just go insane and they wash ashore?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's like if we, if like the whales put in some type of machinery that just like fucked with our ears for seven years.

Speaker 1 Stop.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, that's the sonar for whales.

Speaker 1 It's rubbing the paper until he died yeah also shout out killing whales shout out orca's marketing team because i've been doing a lot of uh a lot of orca videos recently orcas are fucked up animals dude yeah what explain i've been doing they've been mainlining orca orca videos people say that orcas have never killed a person in the wild that's because they've gotten away with all the times they've done it yeah orcas orcas are metal as shit orcaston dies in the ocean from an orca and no one's there to see it exactly that's they get away with it yeah they kill everyone who saw it we

Speaker 1 We haven't had a good story about a person getting swallowed by a whale in a while and then getting spit back up. No, dude, bring that back.

Speaker 1 There was actually like a year ago, a kayaker got swallowed by a whale, like getting krilled. There's a video, and then they got spat out.
Holy shit. Like, actually, look it up.
That rocks.

Speaker 1 That is awesome. So, whales.

Speaker 3 Yeah, my other cool throne is Blake Griffin.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 3 Have you guys seen the... They're coming out with a show about the Donald Sterling situation.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 3 And they cast, they have, you know, actors for Blake, Doc Rifford, Doc Rivers, Chris Paul, like the whole crew. It's a funny thing.
It's a fun. You haven't seen the cast pictures? No.
I'll send them.

Speaker 3 It's funny. But I'm excited to see the show.
I would like to get Blake on and hear. I don't know if it's one of those things where

Speaker 3 the people that are involved are like, this is a bullshit representation. This isn't even what happened.
Kind of like the Showtime Lakers

Speaker 3 show where they all had issues with it, or if it's something that Blake might be in cahoots with

Speaker 3 type deal.

Speaker 1 So who's playing Blake?

Speaker 3 I don't know who the actor is.

Speaker 1 Do they have Donald Sterling saying Matt? What is Matt? Big Magic Johnson. What has he ever done?

Speaker 1 He got AIDS.

Speaker 3 It's got to start the show, I would assume.

Speaker 1 Also, the greatest deposition of all time. They need to do that.
I just pulled it up. I'm going to read it real quick.
This is from Donald Sterling. Well, I fool around sometimes.
I do.

Speaker 1 When a girl seduces me and tells me all these hot stories and dirty things and tells me how much she wants to suck on me and takes my shoes off and licks my feet and touches me.

Speaker 1 When I'm in a limousine, she takes all of her clothes.

Speaker 1 The limo driver said what is going on and and she started sucking me on the way to mr coons house and i thank her i thank her for making me feel good question or the other person sir the question was is this your handwriting

Speaker 1 true

Speaker 1 i would have john voigt play donald sterling that would be good yeah but they gave they gave blake's actor red hair too like really red you know they should have just had taylor do it

Speaker 1 that would have been cool if his brother was his uh all right let let me see the picture.

Speaker 1 These are the

Speaker 1 actors.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Blake Griffin. Where is he? JJ's JJ.
Oh, he doesn't look anything like him.

Speaker 1 No, this is... Blake got done dirty.
Oh, the guy's kind of attractive. Do you think Chris Paul? They should have had Cliff Paul do it.

Speaker 1 That would have been sick. Oh, no, it's Al Bundy is Donald Sterling.
Yep. That's a good casting card.
That is good. Yeah, I like that.
Yeah. And O'Neill.
Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 Good hot seat cool throw on Hank. Thanks.
I won't ever do the paper thing again. Thanks.
Great job, Hank. What's yours, Hot Sea?

Speaker 1 My hot seat is going to be my golf game. Oh.
My golf game's in trouble. I haven't been able to practice in like a week and a half.

Speaker 1 And if you're a real dimple head like me, you know that that it just takes the wind out of your sails entirely.

Speaker 1 Speaking of orcas, I'm like the orcas that's in captivity with a fin that's bent over because I can't get out and practice because I got a nasty blister.

Speaker 1 Last time, Hank and I went after last Sunday's show and just drilled balls for like an hour, full hour, getting swings in. Tore up my hand so bad that I haven't been able to use my hand for anything.

Speaker 1 Like, I've had a gnarly blister, which is good for my masturbation strike. But it sucks.
It sucks not being able to get out there and hit the links with the fellas. Thoughts and prayers.

Speaker 1 And I can't wait to get back into the game. Thoughts and pressure.
But how do you golf and not get blisters? I was thinking about becoming the first golfer to be like Teddy Two Gloves. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Two gloves. No, the guy who hit the hole in one.
That was a guy on tour who wears two gloves. That's right, yeah.

Speaker 1 So maybe I'll just have to be a two-glove golfer from now on. Yeah, just have him.
Or be your favorite golfer.

Speaker 3 Pee on your hands. What's his name?

Speaker 1 That's right. Moise Salou or something.
Moise Salou was like, yeah, I piss on my hands every day in the shower. That's why I don't wear batting gloves.

Speaker 1 But I think that he just got caught peeing on his hands one time. Tommy Two Gloves Gainy.
There we go. That's his name? No, that's not the guy we're talking about.

Speaker 1 By the way, that's just a prelude to Jake having maybe the toughest moment he's ever had in the Stanford Steve interview. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You missed it, Hank.

Speaker 1 It was real bad. It was real bad.
I'm just fortunate you guys are letting me stay on the show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tommy Ganey does wear two gloves, so you're right on that. But the guy who hit the hole in one, I don't know.
There's a guy who's currently,

Speaker 1 and he hit a hole in one on 17 at TPC, and it was electric. And then everyone's like, whoa, did that guy wear two gloves?

Speaker 3 Aaron Rye.

Speaker 1 Aaron Rye. Here we go.
So you just got to be an Aaron Rye. I think I'll be the Aaron Rye guy.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Pete had his iron covers.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, your cool throne? My cool throne is Great Britain and USA. Great Britain beat Columbia in the World Baseball Classic.
Huge upset. Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't even think that anybody from Great Britain on the team is actually English. I think they're all guys that are in the minor leagues that have some sort of grandfather from Great Britain.

Speaker 1 But they beat Columbia. That's good for Great Britain.
It's also good for Team USA to advance

Speaker 1 by beating Columbia. So Team USA might still be in it.

Speaker 1 It's hard for me to get in the World Baseball Classic.

Speaker 3 Did you find out about the bases?

Speaker 1 The bases, I don't think they're as big, so that's why I'm not interested. Damn.
Those bases need to be 50% bigger, and then I'll be like, yes, I am officially watching.

Speaker 1 But I'm not going to watch, but I am going, when I see the graphics on screen, if I see the American flag beating another flag, then I'll be like, fuck yeah, go USA.

Speaker 1 I had that same thought last night when Mike Trout hit that dinger. Yeah, USA.
It's also not cool that everyone's like, oh, Mike, this is the closest Mike Trout will be to the playoffs. That was mean.

Speaker 1 He's just out there fucking repping our country, hitting, mashing just bombs.

Speaker 1 But yeah, i had the same thought where i was like if usa gets in the finals i'm in 100 yeah and then i'm gonna see the lineup that we're going up against and probably the dominican republic and be like yeah well we're done yeah we're toast but it's fun to have a world cup of baseball just on the background right they don't actually have to listen to but you can get invested in just to be like we still got it we're still the usa it's a win-win either u.s doesn't win and i just never recognize that this happened or they do win and i put on american flag shirt and watch the final game and then i act like i was behind usa the entire time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. My other cool throne is Pup Punk because it just got announced today.

Speaker 1 We're playing at the Ocean Sculling Music Festival if there's no hurricanes. Oh, nice.
So it's September 29th through October 1st. It looks like we're opening.

Speaker 1 I'm looking at this for the very first time. I just got it.
We're opening up for John Mayer. Oh, hell yes.
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 We got John Mayer, Incubus, Sheryl Crowe, Bonk, Dispatch, Jimmy World, Matt and Kim. We're opening up for those guys.
Incubus.

Speaker 1 is Pup Punk for? How many in between you and John Mayer?

Speaker 1 We are the smallest font possible. They created an.
What are you opening for John Mayer? They created a font so small for Pup Punk that it's never existed before, and only ants can read it.

Speaker 1 But we are opening up for John Mayer. They're going to shuffle you off before John Mayer even shows up.
Yeah, oh, for sure.

Speaker 1 They're probably not even going to put our name up on whatever official load-in paperwork. Yeah, you'll be like Spinal Tap.
You're going to have a green room in a janitor's closet.

Speaker 1 And then the Lumineers are playing on Sunday. Oh, hell yeah.
And Weezer. So we're opening up for Weezer and the Lumineers, too.
Nice. And the Wallflowers.
I love the Lumineers.

Speaker 1 Lumineers are a fall band. For sure.

Speaker 1 When the leaves turn, you pop open the Lumineers and just rejoice in it. So I guess a secondary hot seat for this is going to be Frankie because Frankie is going to be overseas at the Ryder Cup.
Oh.

Speaker 1 He's going to be off-site for this, so we need to find a new drummer for it. I'll do it.
You'll do it?

Speaker 1 I was actually going to... Imagine if I did it and just didn't practice.
Like, all right, guys.

Speaker 1 This is the only time where it might be realistic to get Travis Barker involved. Travis, you play for every other band.
Definitely realistic. Yeah, come play for Park Punk.

Speaker 1 Come on, Travis. Just be like, hey, dude, you want to open for John Mayer? Yeah, he probably will.
Yeah. All right.
Official invitation extended.

Speaker 1 If Big Cat can't make it, then Travis Barker will be our drummer. It sucks you're not playing on Sunday, though, because then

Speaker 1 you could say, kind of stretch the truth, John Mayer is opening for you. Well, let's see.
Who's opening for us on Friday? Because it's a three-day. Jack Johnson is opening for us.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Atlantis Moorset opening. There you go.
Third Eye Blind. Oh, I mean, I'm a huge Third Eye Blind fan.
Yeah, so they're top 10 albums.

Speaker 1 They're lucky enough to be opening for pup punk at Ocean's Calling Music Festival again that's September 29th through October 1st in Ocean City, Maryland.

Speaker 1 Shout out Secrets, one of the best bars in America. I love it.
All right, my hot seat is me for incorrectly tagging Stephen A. Smith as a strip club guy.
He came out on the record.

Speaker 1 He said he's not a strip club guy. Doesn't like the smell.
Doesn't like the smell. He said he used to go when he was a younger man, but not for him anymore.
Does not like the smell.

Speaker 1 There's a very distinct smell

Speaker 1 in strip clubs. But it was just...
Actually, you know what? I'm taking myself off the hot seat because if you have to come out and say you're not a strip club guy, you are a strip club guy.

Speaker 1 That's true. He's just going to the strip clubs we don't know about.
He goes to strip clubs, but he doesn't love them. Yeah.
He plugs his nose. Yeah,

Speaker 1 he puts Vic's vapor rub inside his nostrils when he goes to a strip club.

Speaker 1 Hand up. I was wrong.
I was wrong. The strip club, Shotgun Willies, they did provide, they reached out to the New Yorkers to provide all those quotes.
They were trying to say,

Speaker 1 they were trying to stake up for John Morant. They're probably going to lose some top-tier clientele.
They were thinking to themselves, we'll just get free advertising.

Speaker 1 People will come in, but you would probably rather have one John Morant than have 500 people who aren't John Morant. Yeah, like

Speaker 1 if you are a celebrity or someone who's trying to go to the strip club and remain anonymous, Shotgun Willies is not the place for you anymore. Definitely not.

Speaker 1 They'll just fucking air your dirty laundry. I still love that picture for John Morant.

Speaker 1 If you're going to get caught on on camera in a strip club, the best way to do it is to be getting a lap dance while the entire room is covered in money.

Speaker 1 That's a cool look. And then my cool throne is Max.
Max is immortalized on a coffee mug. So we're doing Mug Mania.
You can buy limited edition, only four days.

Speaker 1 We have Sad Max on a coffee mug at cellbluecoffee.com that just says before coffee.

Speaker 1 That picture, it's maybe one of my favorite pictures. That will follow you around.
Yeah, that will be, I mean, it is truly, we all have them.

Speaker 1 You just got to embrace the fact that you are now part of the club of bad pictures, of sad pictures.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that picture, god damn it, do I love it? Every time I look at it, I chuckle. I'm buying one.
I'm buying a mug.

Speaker 1 Yesterday,

Speaker 1 I did my laundry from the Super Bowl last week, folded it last week. Wait, what?

Speaker 1 That's correct. Hold on.
Do you have a laundry machine?

Speaker 1 It's March. Is it March?

Speaker 1 Yes. Do you have a laundry machine and it took you that long.
No, well, I did my laundry,

Speaker 1 we've been traveling, um,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 okay, in Indy, yeah, there's been a lot of travel, yeah, yeah, in the middle of the week, yeah, there's been a lot of travel, Max. I agree.
I was looking around my living room the other day.

Speaker 1 I've got, I have currently three suitcases in my living room

Speaker 1 with clothes that I wore. Actually, the super the Super Bowl suitcase I just unpacked.
Yes, so I did that laundry last Monday. I just throw all clothes out.
You know what what my move is? I do.

Speaker 1 If I have two trips close together, I just won't, I'll come home with the suitcase and I won't, I'll leave it in

Speaker 1 the corner of my apartment. And then when I'm ready to go on the next trip, I'll just throw the entire suitcase in the laundry and then put it right back in.
Yeah, you're set. That's your go bag.

Speaker 1 It's like I've already packed. Yeah, that's basically what I did.
But I was going through my Super Bowl laundry and pulling out that shirt. And the sweatpants was like, oh, all the way through.

Speaker 1 I don't see like a friend.

Speaker 1 I just don't see a situation where I can ever wear them again. You got sweatpants.
Eagles back in the Super Bowl. You have to.

Speaker 1 That would be the last time. Redemption.
Redemption. Yeah, can you imagine that? Unfit.

Speaker 1 If I flipped the script, that would have been. Yes.
Your sweatpants are the Brendan Fraser of clothes. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Literally, you're putting too much blame on the sweatpants and not enough on the

Speaker 1 personal action. That's a haircut.
That's all.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Okay.
I want to see those sweatpants in rotation. They make me laugh every time.
They're very funny. Please.
I'm not.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 1 we skipped over it when you said Blake Griffin. Hank, panic button out at all?

Speaker 1 Because speaking of whales, why didn't we talk about your whale play?

Speaker 1 Hank had whale play, Celtics minus 13. They lost.

Speaker 3 Damon Stoddemeyer,

Speaker 3 all-time glue guy, he got a new job, I think, with Georgia Tech, and he was like, I'm going to come to the Hawks game because I want one more night with the boys. He could have obviously just not

Speaker 3 continued to coach. So I was like, wow, this is inspiring.
The Celtics are going to play their ass off for their coach for one last time. Whale play.
Those are good Rockets, right?

Speaker 3 13.5-point favorites. Against the Rockets.
I did a whale play, and then they were down a lot in the third quarter.

Speaker 3 They didn't play well, so I live at them when they were plus money, and then they lost. I've been grinding PGA Tor 2K23 PFT if you want to get some reps offline.
Yep.

Speaker 3 When you can't play on the course, and I was streaming with Rudy. I had a, it was maybe the worst four seconds of my, like, you could ever predict or imagine.

Speaker 3 And it's hard to really explain into words. Had a putt to win a hole, was online the whole way, literally went around the cup, missed.

Speaker 3 I was frustrated. I look up as Jason Tatum is driving to the hole to miss a layup to tie the game.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I legitimately threw my headset and walked away. Well, I wasn't on video.
It was Rudy's stream, so I was, you can just hear me.

Speaker 1 But it was, it was,

Speaker 3 I,

Speaker 3 I, I rage quit. I was like, I've never, I haven't felt like that since I was a a 10-year-old, I think.

Speaker 1 Are you worried, though, about the Celtics? Because it feels like they're very good. Something might be a little off.

Speaker 3 I think the something is Tatum. I think he's just not playing his A game right now.

Speaker 3 I think if he finds it, I mean, it's not a hot take to say, like, you need Jason Tatum to be on his A game to win a championship. Correct.
So I think that's what they have to figure out.

Speaker 3 And he's just not, you know, he's scoring a lot, but he's missing a lot of shots. He's got to figure it out, and that's what we need to figure out to win.

Speaker 1 How are we feeling about Marcus Smart right now? Because it seems like he's back in his back in his old bag where he's just like throwing guys to the ground, being a high-speed.

Speaker 3 I mean, that's that's Marcus Smart with him. You live and die with him.
I love Marcus Smart.

Speaker 1 I'll ride him to the wheel. He is a true wheel fall off.
He is a true, like,

Speaker 3 yeah,

Speaker 3 you can't nitpick the bad. Yeah, because it's then you just be mad.

Speaker 1 But that's all everyone does. Yeah, not me.
But sometimes Marcus Smart does that because he's frustrated, and sometimes he does it because he's so amped up about how things are going.

Speaker 3 He makes

Speaker 3 some wild plays, some wild decision-making,

Speaker 3 and that's, you know, you've got to live and die with it.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it is always fun when you have a player on your team that is very divisive in the fan base, and you just get in like arguments.

Speaker 1 It's like, we're all on the same team here, but there's Marcus Smart people, there's not Marcus Smart people, and

Speaker 1 you just argue for it.

Speaker 3 There's intangibles. I would argue on the side of intangibles where it's like, yeah, he makes bonehead decisions, but he's also obviously a team leader and he sets the tone on defense.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of things that you don't see that you get with Marcus Smart that benefits the team versus the things like obviously the turnovers and the bad shot selection sometimes.

Speaker 3 But it's the good and the bad, and I'll take the good all day.

Speaker 1 Also, I think he criticized refereeing a few days ago, and then I think he got ejected and a technical the two games after.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he did. He got fined, which brings his fine total and screw up to $520,000.
That's awesome. So that, again, that's where it's like, it's not like, yeah, it's not like

Speaker 1 this is new with him.

Speaker 3 This is just how he is and how he always has been.

Speaker 1 Cost of doing business. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he should aspire to be a million-dollar fine guy.

Speaker 3 We were 2-0. The Grant Williams, I'm going to make both, and then he missed and they lost.
He hadn't played. Blake had been playing his minutes.
They were 2-0, so before that.

Speaker 1 All right. So Blake Griffin's the key.
Billy, your hot seat cooks rubbed. First hot seat is Trey Wingo.
Depending on what happens in the rest of the day, this may be irrelevant.

Speaker 1 But Trey Wingo reported Aaron Rodgers going to the Jets, and he might have know, blown it too early. That's not blaming him.
Yeah, that fuck him.

Speaker 3 Send that, send anyone that does that to the gulag.

Speaker 1 I'm sending cocaine bear into your backyard. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I still don't forgive him for the bear tweet when he said, This bear is in my backyard, and it was the same picture of a bear that he had used. He's the boy who cried bear.
Yeah, he cried bear.

Speaker 1 He cried bear. So Billy just took that line from me when I that's what I told Billy yesterday.
Yeah, it was funny, though, uh, seeing uh Dove Kleinman

Speaker 1 aggregate uh Trey Wingo and report report it as fact. And then you saw Garrett Wilson on the Jets.
He was on vacation. He's like, now I can enjoy my vacation.

Speaker 1 You should see the smile on me now. And then everyone was like, dude, nothing has happened yet.
And Garrett Wilson said, I ain't going to fake it.

Speaker 1 I thought Dove Bro tweet was the news break I was waiting for. Shaking my head.
I don't know anything. Sorry about that.
Dove.

Speaker 1 That's what Dove does. The Dove Bro tweet.

Speaker 1 And Dove had to be like, I aggregate the news. Yeah.
Sorry. This is not breaking.
I'm taking other people's breaking news.

Speaker 1 It would make sense that Rodgers would give the scoop to noted pothead Trey Wingo, though. Yeah.
They probably enjoy blazing it up a little bit together. True.
Leroy reported it also.

Speaker 1 However, Leroy received word from a direct source close to Aaron Rodgers that he decided to play for the Jets. So we're standing by Leroy's report.
But is there a statue of limitations in ours?

Speaker 1 Because I feel like both Wingo, like, if he signs, well, I guess we shouldn't have even done this because it probably signed it and we probably started the show with this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so Leroy's very careful in how he words his tweets and how he words his break news. He says Aaron Rodgers has decided to play for the New York Jets.
Got it.

Speaker 1 So Aaron has picked the Jets over retirement. There still need to be some T's crossed, some I's dotted between the two teams on compensation.
Got it. And in case he does get signed, we delete that.

Speaker 1 My other hot seat is

Speaker 1 Leonardo DiCaprio's character, and catch me if you can, Frank Abid Naley. Yeah.
I don't know if I pronounced that right. Turns out he lied about lying.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He might have not lied as much as he could. He's the greatest.
He's the goat liar. Wait, this isn't news, though.

Speaker 1 I just saw it recently. Okay, gosh.
That they didn't invest in it. TikTok? Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I was going to say, because I remember when the movie came out and people were like, no, he didn't do all these things. And he was like, well, I didn't do all of them.

Speaker 1 The Cotton Man is being honest this time. You can trust him.
That is good that you got the news on TikTok. Yeah.

Speaker 3 That movie's up there with Shawshank.

Speaker 1 It is. I re-watched it.
I'll watch it.

Speaker 3 It's good enough to watch with commercials on TV.

Speaker 1 Yes, I re-watched it a few weeks ago, and and I was like, Yeah, this movie was fucking good. It came on Netflix.
Yeah. And then I watched it for the first time.

Speaker 1 You know what's crazy to think about inspiring. If you are inspiring,

Speaker 1 you can lie your way to the top. No, the internet ruined.
They're going to make one about George Santos. Oh, I hope so.
That guy's awesome.

Speaker 1 Oh, you know that George Santos right now is scamming the shit out of other congresspeople. Oh, yeah.
He's selling dogs. He's need to get into politics.
If he can do it, then

Speaker 1 I haven't done half the shit. Yeah.
No, honestly, there is a world where we have like President Lockwood and vice president football for about 30 years. My favorite George

Speaker 1 sports. Besides George Santos saying he was,

Speaker 1 he said that he was Jewish, and then when someone called him on it, he was like, no, I said I was Jewish.

Speaker 1 That was an all-time line.

Speaker 1 Like the best line ever. But my other one that I loved,

Speaker 1 he said that...

Speaker 1 Yeah, he said, no, I was Jewish.

Speaker 1 He also said that he was like an incredible volleyball player at Peru College, noted alum Glenny Balls.

Speaker 1 It's just so funny to be like, here's the lie and my lie in my like fantasy, I was just really good at volleyball. Yeah.
And why wouldn't you just be a sick football player?

Speaker 1 Well, he also tripled down on the volleyball thing and he said that he tore his ACL and he played through it. That's how tough he was playing volleyball.
Yeah. He really is an inspiration.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He also has like, he basically had so many lies that like he actually couldn't be born. He was like, my grandmother died in the Holocaust.
My mom died in 90th. It's like, wait, then how are you here?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, that makes no sense. sense.
Who just perseveres through and through? And my cool thrones Bitcoin. Loki back.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. Lightweight back.
Is it ripping? I mean, I checked it.

Speaker 1 All this bank stuff made me like, let me check all my assets, which was like a couple of weird coins in my crypto wallets from like the NFT boom stuff.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, shit, it's not like nothing like a week ago. So that means that the three board apes that we get per episode, we just essentially got a raise.
We're booming.

Speaker 3 I did see the clip, Billy, of you on the finance podcast talking about what you did with your rough and rowdy winnings, and it made me laugh.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Billy was like, uh, are you you want to say it was just like Billy? Basically, I took all my rough and rowdy winnings and put them in, like, what were they called?

Speaker 1 Roth IRA.

Speaker 3 No, what was the oh, ARC funds, arc funds?

Speaker 1 I basically put all my money in the stock market when it was all way overvalued, and uh, yeah, not a good move, but you live and you learn.

Speaker 1 Yeah, rough and rowdy just takes down everyone who does it here because Jerry had the same thing where he went

Speaker 1 competing in Rough Rowdy, one,

Speaker 1 and then didn't realize that he had to pay taxes on it either. So it's a tough one.
Yeah. Like free money.
They don't tax money for fighting. Hank, did you come back from that financially?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I got 10K cash. I just went on vacation.

Speaker 1 Naturally. Oh, yeah.
Would have been a better thing. So did you pay taxes on that? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Totally.

Speaker 1 Obviously.

Speaker 1 I don't fuck around with that. You don't.
You don't. It's coming up now.

Speaker 3 Soon. I know.
I got a guy.

Speaker 1 Fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 Who is it? If you had to run for president, would you run left or right?

Speaker 3 What's Bernie?

Speaker 1 Way left. Very left.
Wrong. All right.

Speaker 1 Bernie bro? Wrong about everything. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. Hank Leftwood.

Speaker 3 Me and AOC.

Speaker 1 Jake. My hot seat is being negative.
Can you go green?

Speaker 3 That's a thing, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can beat Green Party. I'll be Green Party.
Marianne Williamson. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You are going to like it. I think they dig into green party, but yeah, go for it.
I think Hank's going to end up actually eating us one day.

Speaker 3 Well, I was just thinking, like, what's red plus blue combined?

Speaker 1 Purple. Oh, I thought it was great.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm purple party. Right.
It's purple. Purple.
Purple. Lean into it.
All right. Jake.
My hot seat's being negative. Yes.
This story's crazy. Yeah.
And you should be ashamed. I am ashamed.

Speaker 1 Okay. Very bad luck.
All right, so explain it. For who? Explain it.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? I was right, Billy. Explain it.

Speaker 1 ESPN Syracuse affiliate, they fired a local radio host, Brent axe also a professor at syracuse university they said he was too negative

Speaker 1 now who owns this radio station so ed levine who is a close friend of jim beheim oh and they i believe they're bringing him on who jim beheim part-time for some appearances so does jim beheim he's an investor in this company so coach beheim and i are personal friends and he's an investor in my company oh no I have uh earlier he said I had a problem with the content of the show.

Speaker 1 I'm an SU fan. I'm sorry, but I bleed orange.
I'm not going to apologize for that. And I think a fair reading of the orange is appropriate.

Speaker 1 This guy has to be the worst sports radio executive of all time. Sports radio exists to be negative.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like, being like, yeah, good thing we missed the tournament. Like, the boys are looking good next year.
Who wants to listen to that? I'm the most positive person out there.

Speaker 1 There's a reason I don't know. Sounds like there was a bullshit firing? Yes.
Okay, wow. I'm like, the reason I don't do sports talk, and I like play-by-play, play-by-play.
You just call as you see it.

Speaker 1 I don't like having big opinions. Obviously, that's why I never wanted to go to the talk avenue.
So

Speaker 1 that's the point of this: having opinions. It's crazy.
Yeah. Crazy.
Threw him under the bus, threw him under Jim Beheim's SUV.

Speaker 1 You guys want him on the show? You guys want him on the show? I don't know. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't know. He might get us.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 You don't get to cut. I'm kidding.
Also, when you say didn't go the talk avenue,

Speaker 3 were you going to pop that one out? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Jim Rome was in Avenue for a while.

Speaker 1 What show are you on?

Speaker 1 I didn't go the talk after how many times do i provide opinions here no no but they're asking like what like did you you never even attempted to talk after like you at a young age you're like i don't like i don't like i don't have an opinion yeah like i tried out a student at the student radio station i tried having a talk show now i was like this isn't for me it would be great i would like to hear those tapes it would be great you're just like reading the scores yeah it's like yeah here's what happened so no this was bullshit this is absolute bullshit yeah brent acts although his name's kind of a foreshadow right yeah That's what people said.

Speaker 1 Is Jim Bayheim being on sports talk radio going to be good at all? No. I feel like he's not going to be good at it.
It would actually be great, though, because Jim Bayheim.

Speaker 3 I don't get why people, like, just chill out.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You have to chill.
Yeah. You don't, it's over.
Don't, you, you can't control this anymore. You controlled it for 47 years.
Move to Florida. Let everyone else have a chance.
Agreed. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Not great. There are a ton of alums being like, what's going on here? They're going to reinstate this guy, but.

Speaker 3 Are you in like an alumni Facebook group or something?

Speaker 1 No, just what I've seen on Twitter. Okay.

Speaker 1 My cool throne is Puerto Rico.

Speaker 1 Talked about the World Baseball Classic. They threw a perfect game against Israel, 10-0, or did they?

Speaker 1 The debate comes back. How many pitchers? It was a mercy rule in eight innings.
It does not count. Was it one pitcher?

Speaker 1 24. No, four pitchers.
Four pitchers. Max, is that a no-hitter? Perfect.
Perfect game. No.
24. See, no, I was actually thinking about this.
There are so many no-hitters, fake ass no-hitters now.

Speaker 1 No, I think it's actually

Speaker 1 history is going to look

Speaker 1 well on me. I don't know the saying.
But like in college baseball, it's every single day. I see something else for a combined no-hitter.

Speaker 1 Well, because it's so much easier to get a combined no-hitter that's fake. I have a question the words no hitter, though.
I have a simple question.

Speaker 1 Game four of the World Series this year, how many hits did the Phillies game?

Speaker 1 I get it. There are technically.
Wait, no, no, no, just answer the question. Just answer the question.
How many hits did they? They had zero hit. Like, it can be a no zero.

Speaker 1 I'm fine with saying, like, a zero hitter. Like,

Speaker 1 there's a difference.

Speaker 1 It's not as. A zero hitter.
A zero hitter. We got zero hit.

Speaker 1 Okay. It doesn't feel the same, and you know it doesn't feel the same.
I agree with that, but they got no hit. It's a no hit.
I get it. I get it.
But it doesn't mean that. Do you get it?

Speaker 1 I think it's a good thing. It doesn't.

Speaker 1 It's not real. Max, I want you to do a thought experiment.
Close your eyes. I get it.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Close your your eyes.

Speaker 1 Just indulge me. Close your eyes.
Imagine it's game four of the World Series. The Phillies go out there and they throw a combined no-hitter against the Astros.
Is that a no-hitter?

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 1 But I still

Speaker 1 would be excited because you won the game and

Speaker 1 you had a dominant performance from your starting pitcher, but I would not feel the same way as if

Speaker 1 Doc Halliday went up against the Reds and shoved down their dick for nine innings.

Speaker 1 That's just a different feeling. All right.

Speaker 1 Follow-up question: In the gambling cave, that happens. Are you standing up and like, fuck yes, no hitter in your fucking face, Astros? We know hit you said.

Speaker 1 Like in the moment, yeah, I'm like, okay, but no, but you're not right, but it's still not the same. It's still not the same.
How many hits? Zero hits. Is zero hits the same as zero hits?

Speaker 1 Zero hits is not the same as no hits.

Speaker 1 If you have zero hits, did you get a hit that game?

Speaker 1 Negative. You know, you get a hit.

Speaker 1 When someone asks you how many hits, they say zero hits.

Speaker 1 No hits. Max, you can win a game by getting no hit.

Speaker 1 I get that. Did you get a hit?

Speaker 1 No. The eagle.
No!

Speaker 1 I almost just said the eagles.

Speaker 3 This is dumber than the armpits.

Speaker 1 All right. Okay, Jake.
Jake was right, Loki, about the armpits. Thank you.
Yeah, I've made a mistake by thinking about stink in the equation. No, now that I've removed stink.
I kept an open mind.

Speaker 1 I was swayed. It's funny because the comment section for all the social media posts about that, half of them were like, I have no idea what Hank was saying.

Speaker 1 And the other half were like, Hank is 100% right about this. And then a lot of people being like, this is the dumbest debate you guys ever had.

Speaker 1 It's like, hey, buddy, wait till we start talking no hitters on Tuesday. Not only that, but you missed the fucking free throw dunk debate.
Because that one was the low point.

Speaker 1 Also, the bracket debate we're doing now. Yeah, oh, it's terrible.
We aren't doing that in the show. It's terrible.

Speaker 1 All right. Jake, is that it? That's it.
All right. Let's get to our interviews.
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Speaker 1 Steve, we're actually taping this on Monday

Speaker 1 afternoon. These are the longest three and a half days in the calendar year when we're waiting for the games to tip.

Speaker 1 Welcome. I'm excited.

Speaker 2 Thank you for having me. This is why it's not the best week of the year because of this time

Speaker 2 right now.

Speaker 2 We need something to get in our veins. We don't have it.

Speaker 2 I'm staring at the bracket and it's staring right back at me in the face. Come on, come get me.

Speaker 2 So it's that time. I started to try to do the 30-second bracket where you just see it and you fill it out.
And I ended up having Memphis and Michigan State with a chance to go to the final four.

Speaker 2 And I said, pump the brakes. Stop.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Put it down.

Speaker 2 I saw.

Speaker 2 You got to assess some things. So that's what I did.

Speaker 1 I saw that tweet from you. You said that at that point, you realized that you had to take a couple of days away to just kind of give yourself some distance at that point.
Let things marry.

Speaker 1 Because you get excited. You get caught up in the madness at the start of it.
So cooler heads prevail. You have the perfect bracket right now, right?

Speaker 2 I believe I do. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I got the one with the times and sites too, which is information that I think you should look at that I'm sure we could get to because there are a couple things that stick out in my mind as far as filling out your bracket.

Speaker 2 And that's why, you know, jumping the gun and filling out as fast as possible is not

Speaker 2 a thing I tend to do.

Speaker 1 Okay, so two things off that. One is...

Speaker 1 I know, Steve, you and I, we had this debate last week, Conference Championship Week. That Thursday, Friday, Saturday is the best.
It is the best, you're right, because you don't have to wait.

Speaker 1 Two, the times. That was when it finally set in that the Badgers didn't make it because that was the favorite thing.
Everyone knows this.

Speaker 1 If your team's in the tournament most years, there's nothing better than Sunday night getting the times and being like, I'm going to build my Thursday, Friday around this.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, okay, we play 6 o'clock on Friday. Like,

Speaker 1 I got to get myself in a mental spot to survive till then. That, like, scheduling is part of sports fandom that is so much fun being like, all right, we're going to go to this bar, everything.

Speaker 1 So, you tell us,

Speaker 1 looking at the times

Speaker 1 and where they're being played, what jumps out to you?

Speaker 2 Well, here's the deal: everybody makes a big deal, and this is why I like to let it marinate, as you say.

Speaker 2 And everybody last night's going crazy because Houston got a better seed or a higher one seed than Kansas, right? And then you look at what happens now. Kansas, yes.

Speaker 2 Ken Palm, I think it's six of the top 20 teams are in the West with Kansas, and the West final is in Las Vegas. And Kansas City, Kansas people are mad that they're not playing in Kansas City.

Speaker 2 And I don't know if you guys have been to the Kansas City airport. It is the worst airport in the country.

Speaker 2 And they just got a new one. So I don't know if they're just super excited to see the new Kansas City airport, but like what fan base doesn't want to go to Vegas rather than Kansas City? Right.

Speaker 2 That confuses me. And then when you look deeper into the bracket, Houston is the one in the Midwest.
They are playing in Birmingham. If Auburn beats Iowa, they are playing Auburn

Speaker 2 in Birmingham, Alabama. That's not going to be fun for a one seed.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 when I look at that and I assess that now, I'm like, all right,

Speaker 2 I think Kansas got the good draw as opposed to Houston. When you look at where you could possibly go, I mean, who doesn't? I'm going to Vegas for the Sweet 16.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Have you ever done the thing

Speaker 1 where you go to Vegas for the first four days of the tournament? Is that fun? Or do you think it's just too crowded to have fun?

Speaker 2 It's it was fun and now it's too crowded because

Speaker 2 I don't, you know,

Speaker 2 you guys get your questions asked when people see you. All it is, is who do you like and how do I bet it? And it's like, but I'm not going to the window and betting for you, okay?

Speaker 2 Like, I'm trying to sit here and enjoy myself with some friends, got a nice setup, and you're just constantly peppered with people that are betting for the first time.

Speaker 2 So it's kind of turned into amateur hour, and that's why I'm putting off a week and going out for the lead date because there will be veteran hardcores there that are more

Speaker 2 enjoyable to watch games with. Because, you know, that's the essence, watching games together.
You guys do a great job in the cave. But I know if I pulled you guys and you said, all right.

Speaker 2 We get to pick three people that can't be in the cave. You guys would write off three names in a second to not have to watch games with those three people.

Speaker 1 Right. So it's Frank.
It's Rico. I'm not going to bring up people.

Speaker 1 For the record, nobody tweets screenshots of their bets in the Barcelon Sportsbook at Stanford Steve and be like, Steve, what is the over mean on this bet? Don't do that. No one do that.

Speaker 1 Also, you have to suspend it if you do that. Also, don't tweet out my lock of the day is Virginia.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, see, they can't fucking score, Steve. I knew what you were doing.
Oh, believe me, I knew what you were doing. Steve likes to fucking play.

Speaker 2 And that's why it's fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when Steve tweets out his lock of the day, he's usually betting the opposite. He's just getting people riled up.

Speaker 1 All right, Steve, I know that you have always a list of teams that can win the national title according to Stanford Steve's Advanced Analytics.

Speaker 1 So how many are you on the list right now now that we have the bracket?

Speaker 2 Who? I have not eliminated anybody. There was 20.
We eliminated three teams last week. Okay.
It was Providence, it was Tennessee, and it was St. Mary's.

Speaker 2 Now, all those teams teams are pretty high seed, except Providence, who has been as bad as any team in the country. Now they're 11.
They got to play Kentucky. They're already off the list.

Speaker 2 But when I go down and look at teams to win the title, that I would say, I think I have to cross off Virginia.

Speaker 2 I just can't, I can't, you know, what they look like Saturday night against Duke, who is a team I'm sure we'll talk about. But I just look at the ACC, and

Speaker 2 it's not what a normal ACC is. And that's why I'm not buying into this Duke nonsense of everybody picking him to go to the final four.
Uh, I did Billis' show.

Speaker 2 He has him in the final game against UConn, but they, they beat, they won a conference tournament in a conference that's not good. Yeah.
And this is what I'm talking about with the recency bias.

Speaker 2 Everybody just sees that. They're like, all right, they're hot.
They, they've won nine in a row. Give me them.
That's the opposite. I don't go with that.
I go against that.

Speaker 2 I try and predict who people are going to jump on. And I think Duke is a perfect example.
I have them losing to Oral Roberts in the first round.

Speaker 2 And the other team

Speaker 2 that feels like that is Marquette to me. CNM in the garden, got to see Jake.
We can talk about Jake's performance at the garden. I was not,

Speaker 2 I didn't give Jake a high grade.

Speaker 1 Whoa. Did he not return to Mecca? What happened?

Speaker 2 I believe he left two sessions early.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Yeah, I went to another conference tournament.
Oh, he went to 810. That's

Speaker 1 allowed. That's allowed.

Speaker 2 That was the next day.

Speaker 1 I literally went to UConn Marquette semifinals and brought my luggage to the garden and then went straight to Penn Station and to the airport. Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Is that allowed?

Speaker 2 No, you left early.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 No, it's not allowed.

Speaker 2 What about the day before? What about the day before?

Speaker 1 I was there.

Speaker 1 And when'd you leave? And then I came back to record part of my take, and then I went back to the donor playing game. Okay.

Speaker 2 He didn't leave twice. Okay.

Speaker 1 Twice in two days. Okay.
Yeah. You know, to record part of my take.

Speaker 2 Today I I left twice both days. That's not a good grade for me.

Speaker 1 Just a fact.

Speaker 1 If I'm going to grant participation, no contact, that is a fact. Well, I get an F-cause I didn't even show up.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we're not even going to go there with you.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean,

Speaker 2 at least PFT wasn't even the ones.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm just saying

Speaker 1 I'll stand by the fact that I would rather watch all the games than one game in person.

Speaker 1 That's why you got to do it. Who knows who likes ball more?

Speaker 2 There's technology. Jake, how much we had every game up.

Speaker 1 Media credentials, clutch, because I don't have me.

Speaker 1 They banned us from the mecha. They banned barstool sports.
So listen, we're the bad boys. They wouldn't allow it.
They can't. Steve, off the Duke thing.
I like where your head's at.

Speaker 1 Give me a quick rankings of your power conferences in terms of which conferences you trust to like the ACC at the bottom.

Speaker 2 ACC is definitely at the bottom. I don't see anyone making the Sweet 16 from the ACC.
I'd have to go.

Speaker 2 Oh, man. Look at your Big Ten, big cat.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 they are represented in every eight or nine and seven and ten game, except two.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 So I can't. It's Big 12 for sure.
And I guess the Big East.

Speaker 1 And then the Big Ten, maybe Pac-12. I actually think the Pac-12 is a little slept on, even though they only have three teams.

Speaker 2 Three. Yeah,

Speaker 2 it's basically two, though. And I know you guys were all in.
I know you guys have a lot of futures on UCLA. Brutal news with the injury.
I still think they could do.

Speaker 2 They need Bona, though, the big man, to make a run, but they got a tough draw to get out of this and get to the Sweet 16. So the Pac-12, I think, has two as strong.

Speaker 2 I mean, they have two teams that could go to the Final Four.

Speaker 2 The Big 12 has more than that. The Big East, possibly.

Speaker 2 The SEC, I don't see having much success. I do have Bama rolling through.
So

Speaker 2 I'd go Big 12.

Speaker 2 Big East,

Speaker 2 Pac-12.

Speaker 1 I guess that would be it. Okay.

Speaker 1 Are you counting USC in the big or are you counting them in the pack?

Speaker 2 Well, that's what's great. We got Michigan State USC, future Big Ten matchup in the first round.

Speaker 2 I love the idea. You know, you get to see the colors against it, you know,

Speaker 2 to prepare yourself down the road.

Speaker 2 So I'm counting that as a Pac-12 game.

Speaker 2 But, I mean,

Speaker 2 it's pretty crazy because USC is a team that nobody really likes to trust, but Andy's been awesome in NSA tournaments, man. The guy is a cover machine.
I think they're a two-point dog now to Sparty.

Speaker 2 So that looks like a one-point loss that they'll cover.

Speaker 1 Yes. I actually, now that I'm thinking about it, UCLA winning the national title this year and then me retroactively counting as a Big Ten similar to Maryland, that's probably what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 We just get national titles before the teams come to the conference.

Speaker 2 And what's even worse is on a girls' tournament, the last Big Ten winner was 1999.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's tough. Iowa got underseed.
That was bullshit. It should have been a one-seed.
I do like your spin zone of every game that UFC plays,

Speaker 1 it's going to be like a Rose Bowl.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's awesome.

Speaker 1 Who's the worst team that you think can win it all? If you've got 20 teams that are capable of winning it all.

Speaker 2 Let's go by seed for that.

Speaker 2 I have AM, and they got the worst seed of any team, I think. So I would guess AM.

Speaker 2 TCU is a team that's scary to me. I think TCU Gonzaga winner wins that region.
So I'm going to say the lowest seed that has a chance to win the national championship is Texas AM. Okay.

Speaker 1 And you really think they have it? They have enough to win a national title. 20 is a lot, Steve.
That's a lot.

Speaker 2 I know, but it's more about everybody else.

Speaker 2 Look at the point spreads. Yeah.
Like, there were years, I think it was, what was Baylor Gonzaga was two years ago. I think Gonzaga was given like 34 in the first round.
I know.

Speaker 2 I don't think there's anything higher than 22 in the first round. So like right there, you see not the vulnerability of the one seeds, but you see a not highly thought of one seeds.

Speaker 2 When you factor in Vegas and power rankings and all that. So I keep, the word that keeps coming up is capability.
I think all the other teams are just that capable. Now, six games, yeah, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 But I look at teams that could play six games well. You have to win two games where you don't play well.
Yeah. That's what you have to do to win this tournament.

Speaker 2 And that's why I still factor in all those teams because of the essence of the idea of being when you play well, when the other team doesn't play well, like that, that coincides with things.

Speaker 2 So I still have 20 on the list.

Speaker 2 I can update it if you want. It looks like 19

Speaker 2 with Virginia, with the draw they have. So I will get you an updated number, I promise you.

Speaker 1 Okay, 19's a lot. That's a ton of teams.
Ton of teams. You have half the field.

Speaker 1 You have half the field. Who do you personally have futures on?

Speaker 2 I have futures on UCLA.

Speaker 2 I had a future on North Carolina. That's not going to get there.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 No, don't give up, hope. Don't give up hope.
COVID, someone get bounced out. They're next up.

Speaker 2 UCLA is one, one,

Speaker 2 and I believe I have TCU. Okay.
I have TCU right before they...

Speaker 2 And I will.

Speaker 2 And I have a future on UConn. I do have UConn.
The problem is UConn and TCU and UCLA, they're all in the same bracket.

Speaker 1 I actually like that, though.

Speaker 1 Because it's stupid, but I'm like, I should get at least one of these teams in the final four. I agree.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know what happens then.

Speaker 2 You're looking at Kansas on top and you're just staring at them the whole time as they advance.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it prolongs your enjoyment. It means that you get to enjoy

Speaker 1 probably three rounds, like with a vested interest. Yes, yes.
What other tips do we got for people who are wagering? Like, tried and true, Stanford Steve.

Speaker 1 This is what I've been doing with the tournament every single year.

Speaker 1 Don't be an idiot kind of tips.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's people out there that like fill out their bracket backwards. I could never do that.

Speaker 2 I will say, you know, if you like that double-digit seed to go to the Sweet 16, just pick the upset in the other game.

Speaker 2 That's wishful thinking there.

Speaker 2 The other one is these play-in games with the 11s. I think one of those teams has made the Sweet 16 of the last bunch of years since they started doing it.

Speaker 2 There's always been that.

Speaker 2 So, you know, it's always going to be the underachieving Power Five conference, except for Nevada, because I don't know how the hell they got in this tournament the way they ended the season, and they kept another Big Ten team out for Big Cat at Wisconsin or Rutgers.

Speaker 1 Ruckers. I thought North Michigan.

Speaker 1 I thought they were in there almost. Yeah.
You know, Ruckers probably should have gotten in.

Speaker 2 That's okay. But that'll fire up Rutgers for football season.

Speaker 1 That's what I think will happen.

Speaker 1 Are we back? Are we back this year?

Speaker 1 She believe that?

Speaker 2 I believe so.

Speaker 1 A lot of coaching changes. You're good to go.
Let's go.

Speaker 1 That's not going to happen.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Give us your best picks.

Speaker 1 Have you put any bets in so far? I know you probably have. Yes.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yes.

Speaker 2 Duke to lose. You could go oral money line.
You could go oral plus the points, whatever you want to do there. I like that.
I do like Kansas State. Montana State is a team.

Speaker 2 Scott and I were up late, late last week.

Speaker 2 He ended up tweeting about it, and we were texting back and forth. I don't think much of Montana State's offense, and I just like what Kansas State brings to the table.

Speaker 2 I think it's under double digits.

Speaker 2 So it's going to be not a pretty game, but I think Kansas State has

Speaker 2 more capability on the offensive side. So I'd lay the points with Kansas State.

Speaker 2 The idea of Patino with UConn, I think, is dicey because this is the game for UConn when you look at it. This is a team.
They don't have a true point guard.

Speaker 2 When they've been good, they've looked like the best team in the country. I think they were the last team undefeated.
Jake, is that right?

Speaker 1 I think so. Oh, no, Jake.

Speaker 2 Here we go.

Speaker 1 Never mind.

Speaker 2 I can get somebody to look it up on my end.

Speaker 1 You might have missed that game. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he was probably catching a flight going from Penn Station to LaGuardia to Canada to go watch an American East game. But anyway, but UConn, the idea of Indiana, Indiana 76.

Speaker 1 What? Undefeated analysis. Oh, no, Jake.
No, no, no, no. This season, Jake.
Is that you listening? Thanks. Come on, Jake.

Speaker 1 Come on. We're going to have to cut this.
You're going to have to note sap this, Jake. Yeah, Edit.
You have to note sap this. You say this season, the last team to be undefeated

Speaker 1 was you guys.

Speaker 1 I don't know how

Speaker 2 I believe it was Purdue. Was it Purdue? Because they couldn't pass him.
They couldn't get to number one because Purdue was ahead of him.

Speaker 1 Anyway, I don't think Purdue lost till January against Rutgers.

Speaker 2 I would lean towards Iona plus the points. I think UConn wins, but it's going to be tight.
And the thing about UConn and seeing their fan base is so great. Titus and I talked about it.

Speaker 2 He was asking me if they are the Duke of the Big East. And I think they are because of their arrogant.
What did Cooley call them? Spoiled and arrogant. I love it.

Speaker 2 I thought that was a perfect way to put it. But UConn, this coaching staff hasn't won an NCA tournament game.
Like, there's a lot of pressure on them. And then what do they get? Iona in Albany.

Speaker 2 So that's a fascinating matchup. I would take Iona plus the points.

Speaker 2 I have Texas going to the Final Four. I wanted to actually pick PFT's brain on some Texas war history

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 we could have Houston against Texas. And now

Speaker 2 everybody remembers

Speaker 2 the Alamo. But what was it? Less than a month later was the San Jacinto War?

Speaker 2 That was like 18 minutes long. I think Sam Houston came in

Speaker 2 and made it known. It's the territory.

Speaker 1 So this is actually what happened. Sam Houston and his gang, they tried to take the Texas Constitution and all the archives from Austin.

Speaker 1 They tried to steal them and take them back to Houston because that way Houston would be known as the capital of Texas.

Speaker 1 And Sam Houston wanted that because they were then going to name the capital after him and it wasn't going to be in central Texas. It is.
That's an interesting piece of history right there.

Speaker 1 I think it was actually stopped because some old shopkeeper lady went out into the street and she had a cannon and she saw them trying to steal the papers.

Speaker 1 She lit the cannon on fire, almost blasted their heads off, and then they got caught by the police and had to give the papers back.

Speaker 2 So that makes sense because I read the war was only 18 minutes long.

Speaker 1 So that's probably the war. It's probably exactly what happened.
That's an eternity for Patino, though. So

Speaker 2 with that, that being the last big battle in the state of Texas, we could have Houston against Texas with the right to go to Houston for the final four.

Speaker 1 I like that score.

Speaker 2 That is big Texas stuff.

Speaker 1 That is big time Texas stuff because everybody's just talked about Houston going to the final four.

Speaker 2 And now possibly you could get Texas in their way, who is the face of the state, obviously. Colgate is a team that could score.

Speaker 2 I'm not saying they're going to beat Texas, but I think that's a lot of points.

Speaker 2 Utah State and Missouri, those two teams don't stop anybody. That could be a nice first-round over, big cat

Speaker 1 for you. Well, I have a new system.

Speaker 1 I'm not making steal from other people. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, I'm not making any picks this year. I'm making only system picks.
And the system.

Speaker 2 Oh, so when they win, you're going to win.

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 1 No, that'll be the system.

Speaker 1 No, that'll be the system. No, I'm just going to take every first half under blindly.

Speaker 1 I hope.

Speaker 1 hope I go 10 and 10 and no. 9 and 7.
I take 9 and 7 all day.

Speaker 2 The key number there is 65.

Speaker 2 In first half unders, with the number of 65 or more, it's 17 games over 500 in the round of 64 since 2011.

Speaker 1 Wow. I like that.
All right, so that's it.

Speaker 1 I love that one.

Speaker 2 You talked about going back to Vegas. That was one year we I think we went like 10 out of 11, and then I don't remember the rest of the day.

Speaker 1 That's the system of a day.

Speaker 1 That's the system. That's the danger in doing too well in Vegas: you're going to get hammered.

Speaker 1 You're going to have too much of a good time, and then you're going to go back to the casino and lose all of it.

Speaker 2 There is no pace in a human to be up from 9 a.m. all the way to the end, two days in a row out there.
Yes, it was. I don't care.

Speaker 1 What's your strategy from just like a health standpoint? How do you pace yourself?

Speaker 2 I don't, I don't, I'm still asking. It's been, I think, 10 years.

Speaker 2 What really helped was, I think in like 2014 or 15, was when like the online apps, and I remember just being so happy, being able to be in bed on Friday still and still firing away on games, knowing what the lines were downstairs.

Speaker 2 So the key is to have credit in your account for Friday morning when you wake up to be able to fire.

Speaker 1 So it also

Speaker 1 gets dicey. Yeah, this will sound, people will be like, no way you actually do this, but there is another key.
It's Thursday and Friday morning.

Speaker 1 You don't have to go to the gym, but going outside for a walk and getting some air is huge for the mentals.

Speaker 2 The one necessity I figured out after one year of being there is steam room.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You need

Speaker 2 a steam. And then they have those huge, the bucket that fills up with ice water and you go to the plunge or whatever.
Yes. And you just go in there.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a workout. That's a full workout.

Speaker 2 It's like you rise, you just, you're right in heaven. Yeah.
And then you just go attack. You go attack the day.
But

Speaker 2 I've never gotten soft enough where I needed the IV in the room or anything. Like, it's pretty simple.
Just keep a couple bottles of Pedialite and you refresh, get a steam, and you're good to go.

Speaker 2 So good luck to all those people, especially the first-timers, because you have no chance out there.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just convinced that if you sweat, if you sweat when you're hungover, then that gets rid of all the bad feelings.

Speaker 2 You're a new human being after that.

Speaker 2 But even before the sweat, you get that itch. You know, the itch before the sweat? It's brutal.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just terrible. Yes.
I'm curious to know if you have a platform that you use across the board because when you and Scott do your winners in football season,

Speaker 1 you love taking underdogs. You almost exclusively take underdogs.
Is that the same when it comes to the tournament?

Speaker 1 Or are you guys such value hounds that you can look out there and you can see exactly, okay, the lines aren't where I want them to be. I'm going to take a lot of favorites.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 this is why I'm really upset at myself because I do usually take a bracket, fill it out as fast as possible, and then I quit last night because it was too hard.

Speaker 2 And I, that's my, that's my go-to when I'm deciding in a game. I just go back and look at that bracket I filled out first and just bet against whoever I picked there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's good. That's

Speaker 1 all it, yeah.

Speaker 2 But I didn't do it. And now I got, you know, talking to you guys with great minds like you and Jake.
Now, now everything's fluxes in my head.

Speaker 2 So I don't have that true essence of going back and picking up.

Speaker 1 New Mexico. New Mexico.
Okay. January 3rd.
There you go. How about power 5? How about power 5?

Speaker 2 Purdue.

Speaker 1 Had to be Purdue. January 2nd Rutgers.
Well, are we

Speaker 1 UConn is considered Power 6? The Biggie's is Power 6.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they were January 3rd. UConn was? Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. I'm looking right now.
They lost to State. December 31st.
December 31st. Mexico is the

Speaker 1 first day.

Speaker 1 Oh, man, Jake. But Purdue was after UConn.
Jake, it brings me no pleasure, but I'm suspending you from this podcast for

Speaker 1 45 seconds. Yeah.
Purdue is January 2nd, Rutgers, I want to say.

Speaker 1 Take some some time. All right, Max.
Oh, Max is just grinning ear to ear right now. He's loving this.
He's loving this.

Speaker 1 Jake, you're going to just have to watch the tape. You're going to have to go back, review the tape, see where it all went wrong.

Speaker 1 I'll tell you right now, it was probably what he thought he was saying last undefeated team ever. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Speaking of Jake and pronunciations, I've tried to help him. Jake, who is the three seed in the West?

Speaker 1 Gonzaga.

Speaker 2 That's a little better.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 It's Gonzaga, not Gonzaga.

Speaker 1 I have never once said Gonzaga. If you pull the tape,

Speaker 1 you just said it. I have never said Gonzaga.
Never.

Speaker 1 You just did. Gonzaga.
No, but you just did.

Speaker 1 Okay, pull up the tape. We will.
Yep. You just did

Speaker 1 Gonzaga my whole life. As opposed to what? Gonzaga.
You just said that again. Oh, my God.
Like, how you just did it three times. I hate you guys.
I hate you guys.

Speaker 2 Watch the tape.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to help him. And then he gets mad at me.
Like, go check the tape. Jake, I saw it.
I'm texting you to let you know you're wrong. Yeah.
So I'm trying to help him.

Speaker 1 And then he gets mad at me. That video, you were wrong about me being wrong.

Speaker 1 Jake.

Speaker 2 I'm going to sit next to Mark. Jake,

Speaker 1 you've experienced five minutes in the life of what it must be like to be Billy. Yeah, Billy's just sitting here like this.

Speaker 1 This is awesome.

Speaker 1 This thing is how I always get it. The undefeated team, yes, the pronunciation thing, no.
Oh, I mean, you did say it three times because I was telling you what I didn't say.

Speaker 1 Right, but you, but then you said you didn't say it. You're Mike Francessa right there.
Oh, my God. Never said that.
Never said that. I never said that.

Speaker 2 Jake, who's Arizona State playing in the playing game?

Speaker 1 Nevada, not Nevada. There you go.

Speaker 1 Smart. I'm going to say right now: pronunciations are for pussies.

Speaker 1 I say whatever I want. Nevada, Nevada, Gonzaga, Gonzaga, Oregon, Oregon.
i don't care the claus the clouse yeah there you go billy i'm back on your side

Speaker 1 yeah if they understand what i'm trying to say then that's your problem

Speaker 1 that's true that's a good point you can't be palatable of it if you know what word we're saying it doesn't matter how we say it bam that's some facts right there yeah uh all right

Speaker 1 how's billy doing with the all he can eats no he's slimmed down a little bit but that's mostly from the tick infestation that he had yeah he had a really bad infection that was.

Speaker 1 It's not an infection, it was an allergic reaction. He's not contagious.
Not contagious for the record.

Speaker 2 The rash. That's why the office was a ghost town when I came in Friday.

Speaker 1 Dude, look at this, Steve. I want your live reaction.

Speaker 1 I'm going to text you.

Speaker 1 You can't tweet it, but that was what. What was Billy here?

Speaker 1 That's what Billy looked like on Friday. I just sent you the picture.
I'm looking better now.

Speaker 2 Jesus.

Speaker 1 It was bad. It was bad.
Oh, my God. His dog works at the flea factory.
It's tough for him. It's tough.

Speaker 2 Be careful what you're putting in your mouth, Billy.

Speaker 1 What were the...

Speaker 1 Oh, we were in the rest of your picks. Yeah, dude.
We got sidetracked there in a great way.

Speaker 1 What other picks?

Speaker 1 You've already bet.

Speaker 2 Oh, that I've already bet. Let's see.

Speaker 1 Let's get that sheet.

Speaker 2 I took Charleston Charleston plus the points against San Diego State.

Speaker 1 Yeah, talk to me about that because everyone says Charleston's lucky. They barely win games, but you like that? You just fade in the Mountain West?

Speaker 2 I do. Like 40% of their shots are threes, and I love that in a tournament because if those guys get hot, that's the ultimate underdog right there.

Speaker 2 And San Diego State, I mean, listen, the Mountain West,

Speaker 2 as a conference, they've lost eight straight NCAA tournament games. That's another thing this committee and their love for the Mountain West putting Nevada in.
It just boggles my mind.

Speaker 2 San Diego State's on the list. They are on the list, but I think Charleston keeps it close.

Speaker 2 And that's the list to win a national title. They were the one Mountain West team, but they got a tough draw.
I feel like the injury to Virginia

Speaker 2 makes that line against Furman. I feel like people just hate watching Virginia play, so they're going to bet against them.

Speaker 2 I'd be careful there because I don't think Furman is going to dictate tempo, and Virginia does a great job with that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 I saw people picking Santa Barbara.

Speaker 2 I don't think they're that good. I still think Baylor is battle-tested in the Big 12.

Speaker 2 So there. And where's our Vermont, Jake? How many points are we getting there?

Speaker 1 All right, Jake, here's your redemption. 11 points.
Okay.

Speaker 2 How's our guard play?

Speaker 1 The guard play is good. They've got Robin Duncan, the fifth year.
Finn Sullivan.

Speaker 2 Is that the kid that worked on Wall Street for a year?

Speaker 1 No, that's Matt Vareto, Yukon.

Speaker 1 And then he took some time off. I think he's 23 or 24 now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He made four or three in the American Championship.
I like that. Also, it's a revenge game against Shaka Smart and Marquette.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because Marquette, they ignored Jake when they were walking off. Yeah, but I left early, so it didn't matter.
Do you know

Speaker 2 that's when Jake was leaving early, PFT? So that's why there was no comeback.

Speaker 1 Speaking of Shaka Smart and Marquette, do you,

Speaker 1 how do you rate Shaka Smart's ability to play defense from the coach's box? Because he was on the fucking floor.

Speaker 2 Elite.

Speaker 2 Elite. It's unbelievable to watch these coaches.
I think Shrewsbury at Penn State, that guy's on the court all game. Shaka goes from three points.
I mean, he'll even give you the hand up. Yeah.
Like

Speaker 2 when they got the ball, when he's down his end and he can't be in a wide stance because the defense is on his own end. It's amazing to watch.
The fist pump he gave

Speaker 2 was pretty impressive. And I will say this about Shaka.

Speaker 2 In all my years of going to tournaments,

Speaker 2 when you're in the first game and you win, you know, you go do the press conference, you go back to the hotel with your team, get some family time, and you send the assistants out to scout the next game.

Speaker 2 Shaka came back out with his staff and watched every single second of UConn and Providence. And I've never seen that before by a head coach.
So I was pretty impressed by that.

Speaker 2 It was good to see that a head coach will hang out with his assistants in public in an atmosphere like that.

Speaker 1 I like it.

Speaker 2 But I'm just Marquette going, that's a team

Speaker 2 I'm trying to predict going against it. They won a regular season.

Speaker 2 That, you know, they were picked ninth. I don't know if you saw the Kolek story.
They asked the media day what, what you think of the media picking in ninth, and he said, fuck them.

Speaker 2 And that's how they break their huddles now. Every single time they get together, it's one, two, fuck them.
So

Speaker 2 Kolek, a lot of attitude. I'm not a fan of the gray socks he wears.
That feels a little PFT-ish to me. I feel like PFT, if he was a point guard, would go gray socks.
I would know.

Speaker 2 But Marquette, I would go

Speaker 1 ahead and get seat bias.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I figured you would. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But you don't want to hide those biceps.

Speaker 1 You're slim and trim. I just love, I love the look.
Every year, we get one or two all-time big, baggy undershirt guys in the NCAA tournament. And so I'm just excited.
Anything better than

Speaker 2 next time they play together, if they do, Luca and Kyrie, they got this like white mock turtleneck thing going underneath. It's terrible.
It's like matching.

Speaker 1 It's bad. That's cute.
Yeah. That's cute, though.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, so talk me out of NC State because I've been thinking about having NC State make. I know you hate the ACC.
My counterpoint, they got that 300-pound dude, and he's fun to watch.

Speaker 2 Love the beast. Love the beast.
I was not that impressed by Creighton seeing them in person. I still think there's some holes defensively.

Speaker 2 Caulk Brenner is a mountain of a dude, really good athletically around the rim. So protected.

Speaker 2 The problem is, is NC State has guards that are going to shoot threes, and they are are not afraid to shoot pull-up jumpers. And what's Creighton going to do?

Speaker 2 I think they're going to play some of that drop coverage. So if NC State's on, they're going to hit that.

Speaker 2 My problem is that guard matchup against Baylor, I feel like Baylor would overpower NC State's guard. But NC State, when they are good, they could beat anybody in the country.

Speaker 2 But I'm interested to see how they play because they're going to get open looks. It's just, that's why they're an 11th seed.
They are not

Speaker 2 consistent offensively, but when they are good, they are darn, darn good.

Speaker 1 Okay, a couple more.

Speaker 2 They also lost to Clemson three times this year, and Clemson didn't get in.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I was saying that last night, that Clemson fans have every right to be pissed about that because they worked him in the ACC tournament.

Speaker 1 I don't like betting unders,

Speaker 1 but Arkansas, Illinois feels like a brick fest to me.

Speaker 1 And everyone's going to say, oh, these two teams are very talented. They are.
Arkansas just loves to go to the rim. Illinois can guard against the rim.

Speaker 1 And Illinois, Arkansas's one weakness in defense is the three, and Illinois can't shoot threes.

Speaker 1 It's a brick fest.

Speaker 1 Rocket fest.

Speaker 2 On top of that, too, Muscleman is a great in-game coach. He's going to micromanage the hell out of that game to try and get that matchup against Kansas in the next round.

Speaker 2 I do feel like everyone is picking Arkansas. That's what scares me.

Speaker 2 But I do like your call on the under there. Arkansas will be coached up on the perimeter D.

Speaker 2 And, you know, Meyer is hot and cold to me. Shannon, I mean, early in the year, they beat UCLA in Vegas.
He was the best player in the country that night, the way he played. So again, 8-9,

Speaker 2 you're going to get your

Speaker 2 power teams that have underachieved this year. These are two exceptional examples of that.
So

Speaker 2 what do you have for a number there?

Speaker 1 144 and a half.

Speaker 1 I think that game's played in the 60s, but I think that game's played in the 70s. I'm 1960s.

Speaker 2 I don't see both teams scoring 70s. That's an early, that's an early - I like that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was the one that popped out to me.

Speaker 1 Again, I hate usually like I try to do everything to not bet unders, and I saw that, and I was like, I just don't, I don't think both these teams are great shot making.

Speaker 2 To your point, Maryland, West Virginia, that opened at 140. I took that under.
It's already down to like 138, I think.

Speaker 1 Damn, you're so sharp. Oh, 139 and a half.
So you're not that sharp.

Speaker 2 Good.

Speaker 2 Jump in. Jump in the pool with me.

Speaker 1 What about Furman?

Speaker 1 That's my upset of the first round. Am I an idiot? Am I falling for the hype of them just gunning threes and being able to do that over the pack line?

Speaker 2 I have one question for you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Do you hate watching Virginia basketball?

Speaker 1 Well, I do. I watch the Badgers play.
So that's why you like Furman. Yeah, so that's...
You got to be careful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, that's true.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. All right.
Yo, you're right. Hey, here's the deal with the Virginia pack line.
Yeah. Like,

Speaker 2 Duke made threes the other night, and that packed line guess what it has to do it has to come out right and guard the three so furman it's on you to make some threes and you get them out off kilter so uh i i again i i worry about furman dictating tempo there virginia does a great job with ka clark who's been there for god only knows i think he played it with john karate okay so i'm going to talk myself out of that i like that all right that was good because these are i i feel like every every thought i have right now is just a stone cold loser um so i need to just flush it all out of my system that's why i like steve's method It's like get the knee-jerk reactions on paper and then you have something to look back.

Speaker 1 That's as close to fading yourself as you can ever get. Right.
Because otherwise, if you think about fading yourself, then you start to fade yourself, fading yourself. Yes.
And then you're lost.

Speaker 1 Then you're completely fucked. Yes, then your dog chasing after his tail.
Yeah. Can you tell me, Steve, why I'm a moron for still believing in Purdue? Yeah, let's talk about Purdue in that region.

Speaker 1 Because Purdue, to me,

Speaker 1 they seem like Zach Eady seems a lot better. When we watched him last year in person in that Purdue, Wisconsin game, he seemed like he was like a newborn.

Speaker 1 I think I said he was a newborn horse trying to ice skate. Like his feet didn't work correctly, right? He's growing into his body.
He's learning how to control it. This year, he's more fluid.

Speaker 1 He seems like a great player. Some people are saying that it all depends on how he's officiated.
That makes a big difference. If he gets a couple fouls early, then Purdue's entirely fucked.

Speaker 1 But am I insane to think that Purdue could actually make it to the Final Four?

Speaker 2 No, no, not at all. And to me,

Speaker 2 it's about what lies ahead. Everybody's going to bring up Painter.

Speaker 2 One of the worst beats I've ever had involved with Purdue of the year against Virginia. I had Purdue money line and that one really, really hurt.

Speaker 2 They had the lead 1.5 seconds and the ball was on the other end of the court and somehow Virginia got a shot to tie. Anyway,

Speaker 2 Memphis and FAU. Those two teams, the winner of that game, they don't, Purdue have to play both of them.
They play one. Whoever that team is is going to pressure Purdue's weakness.

Speaker 2 And the weakness is experience at the guard position. They play two true freshmen.
And you saw that catch up with what happened at the end of the season with Purdue. Yes, they have Edie.

Speaker 2 You talk about last year seeing him. He's a million times better than he was last year.
And that's a credit to him. for getting himself better.
So I think the key to Purdue is

Speaker 2 what do those

Speaker 2 wings do around him? Are they making threes to pull guys away? Are the freshman guards taking care of the ball and making shots where they don't get automatic double teams?

Speaker 2 Because that's that's where Edie's going to get all the focus because of the size of him, and he is the player of the year.

Speaker 2 I get it, but he really needs his other guys to play better because that's going to help him make things easier.

Speaker 2 The one thing I have is what does Purdue, whoever makes it to play Purdue in the Sweet 16, now you have a week to prepare for it.

Speaker 2 Now, you don't have a 7-3 person, I'm guessing, on campus that could come in on practice to help with your look and the look team.

Speaker 2 But that's where it is because now the pressure's up and now your guards have to go do it again. But I have mayhem in that bracket.

Speaker 2 Like I said, I have Michigan State going to the final four there. So

Speaker 2 it's not really something I want to put money on, but I would love to see Purdue. I think it's since 1980.
I didn't realize Gene Cady didn't even go to a final four. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But 1980 is a long time, and it's a great fan base. It's a great story.
I always think the world of painter. I know he hasn't had success in the tournament, but he's a good coach.

Speaker 2 They'll be ready to go. It's just a matter of, are they going to make enough outside shots to win these games?

Speaker 1 And Titus brought up a good point. It's also how Zach Edie gets officiated.
That's a big part of it. That's a huge part of it.

Speaker 1 I noticed that, you know, you said that you had Oral beating Duke in the first round. Yep.
as one of your upsets. But if Duke makes it to the Sweet 16, they could be playing against Purdue.

Speaker 1 Duke has some seven-footers too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Purdue played him earlier in the year and gave it to him.

Speaker 2 I believe it was in Mackey. But yeah, Duke's a different team.
I still think

Speaker 2 Edie would have his way lively just because of how frail.

Speaker 2 I mean, he's done a good job of shot blocking, but this is where you got to stand on the post and take dribble after dribble as Edie backs you down.

Speaker 2 It's a different animal than playing help coverage and where you're helping where somebody gets beat and you're coming over to block a layup.

Speaker 2 That'll be a true test because, I mean, they have Ryan Young too, but

Speaker 2 I just, I would take Purdue in that matchup.

Speaker 2 I like the idea of Edie against those bigs for Duke.

Speaker 1 Also, we talked about Iona briefly at the start.

Speaker 1 We selected Iona.

Speaker 1 We are a Rick Petino podcast right now. We've always been a big supporter of Rick.
We drafted him in the Barstool Challenge where

Speaker 1 you have to pick an underdog. And if they win two games, the winners get to go to Ireland, all expenses paid vacation.
So we're riding Rick Petino. We're riding him hard.
So

Speaker 1 I think he can beat UConn. And then second round,

Speaker 1 I feel like UConn is a much tougher matchup. Obviously, like St.
Mary's is five seed, VCU at 12. If Iona wins one, they win two.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah, St.
Mary's VCU is a total contrast to styles. I actually looked at that over Big Cat because it's the lowest total, I think.
It's 122. Yeah.
And I just feel

Speaker 2 the way VCU plays up and down, St. Mary's is methodical, but they do make shots.

Speaker 2 But I think VCU will dictate that tempo and make that a higher scoring game. But back to Iona.
One thing for you, PFD, Walter Clayton, their high scorer, football guy.

Speaker 2 turned down numerous D1 offers to play college football. Wait.

Speaker 2 He's their leading scorer.

Speaker 1 Then he's not a football guy. Walter Clayton.
No, he's no, but

Speaker 1 he's an anti-fussy

Speaker 1 pussy. What was it with John Gruden? Anti-football pussy.
Yeah, yeah. Anti-loving football pussy or something like that.

Speaker 1 He's the Walter Clayton man of the year, though. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But when

Speaker 2 basketball guys get football guys to come play them, they claim them as football guys. Got it.
But yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like it gives them a tough, like, it gives them a toughness.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the opposite of the Antonio Gates situation. Where all we'll be saying is like Walter Clayton played football.
Yeah, he played football in high school. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is your screen not real? Is that not what's going on right now in Washington, D.C.? It just blacked out to a TV for a second.

Speaker 2 I think it's just permanent traffic. Those cars are stopped on the bridge.

Speaker 1 BFC knows about that traffic.

Speaker 2 You don't want any part of that.

Speaker 1 No, that's definitely D.C. I can see Billy walking up the steps of the Capitol right now right now with a wolf mask on.

Speaker 1 All right, I have one last question, Steve. It's the robot question.
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Speaker 2 I'm not answering unless I get my gear.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 Jake, make sure you get his gear. I saw him wearing it at the Big East Tournament.
Text Steve, get his address. I bought that.
Let's get him. Yeah, let's get him some.
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Speaker 1 Treat him saying thank you at the end of the tournament. So I want one person to basically ride with Steve and you will be accountable for their bracket.

Speaker 1 Do your best.

Speaker 1 This isn't yours. This is someone else's.
Yeah, you could do a different pick. Like, give them your best.

Speaker 1 Take out Michigan State. That's the dumbest pick I've ever heard.
Do why?

Speaker 1 I'll bet you right now they're not going to go to the Final Four.

Speaker 2 All right. They're 18 to 1 to win the region.

Speaker 1 Okay, great.

Speaker 2 All right. You give me 18.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 Done. 100 bucks.
Okay. I'll give you $1,800.

Speaker 2 You got it. You give me $100.
Deal.

Speaker 1 I love that. All right.

Speaker 2 Alabama.

Speaker 2 Michigan State.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 2 Oh, man. I can't pick between this TCU and Gonzaga game.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 2 TCU

Speaker 2 and Texas.

Speaker 1 Wow. All right.
So one person's going to fill that out.

Speaker 1 And that will be their bread. Yeah, no, they are.
I will. I'll be that one person because now I got to go against my own action.

Speaker 1 Because if Michigan State goes to Final Four, I'm going to be so pissed.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be so fucking pissed. If Michigan State loses in the first round, I think that kind of vindicates everybody out there that's saying that Tom Izzo is overrated, though, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, some people are saying that. Some people are saying that for seven years.

Speaker 2 That's another part of the UConn fan that is so bad is they were wearing shirts this week in New York that said January, February, UConn, April. Like Michigan State has had that saying for 23 years.

Speaker 2 And then UConn just decided to do it. And also UConn hasn't won a game in March that meant anything in years.

Speaker 2 Probably since the national title.

Speaker 1 And also, April is the national title.

Speaker 1 Correct. That shirt is stupid.
It basically says that you're not going to get to the Final Four.

Speaker 2 I just hope that it's not a barstool shirt.

Speaker 1 Danny Hurley also said that UConn owns the MSG, and he's never even made it to the Biggies final. So that was like the biggest thing.

Speaker 1 I fucking hate UConn. I fucking hate UConn.
Max was stewing with that in his face. Like he almost didn't talk about five different times whenever UConn got brought up.
I have a future on UConn.

Speaker 1 I like the Huskies. I like Danny Hurley.
Max is wrong.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 I mean, they own MSG, and he's never been there. He's never been to the final.
So how do you say that you own MSG when there's one team that clearly owns... Never mind.
I won't. I won't.

Speaker 1 No, you already did. I know.
Well, they're going. Just keep going.
Just keep going. There's one program that clearly owns MSG right now in the Big East.

Speaker 1 Yes, we had a down year, but it's certainly not fucking UConn, who hasn't been to the Sweet 16 in nine years.

Speaker 1 Okay, Max. Bingo.

Speaker 1 I love it. Oh, that's Max.
That's the passion. Yeah, that's anger.
It's been a tough year for Max, sports-wise.

Speaker 1 He either doesn't get into the dance or his team's finished second. I have the odds on Stanford Steve's final four.
Alabama, Texas, TCU, Michigan State, plus 193,500. I'm going to put that in.
Whoa.

Speaker 1 100 wins nearly 200 grand. All right.
I'm going to put that in for 100 bucks just in case.

Speaker 2 You can't go all chalk. That's no fun.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I have Memphis coming out of this region.

Speaker 1 Who? Memphis.

Speaker 2 I'm going to. Oh,

Speaker 2 I have them play Michigan State.

Speaker 1 Oh, there you go. All right.
So we agree on that. We agree on that.
I got one more question for you. Why do you hate Kansas? It seems like you absolutely hate Kansas.

Speaker 2 I love Kansas. I just feel like this dynamic with Coach

Speaker 2 is he's going to be around.

Speaker 2 I think the world of him.

Speaker 2 And in order to make another run, they need him.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I don't know what's going to be the status of him, but I feel like I think UConn is a matchup for them. I do think Kansas with the guards.

Speaker 2 But I don't hate Kansas, PFT. I have them actually losing in the Elite Eight.

Speaker 1 Sounds like

Speaker 1 you were debating between Gonzaga or TCU to make your final four.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because they're going to play in the second round.

Speaker 1 Okay. And then you were also saying that Arkansas, you wouldn't want to fuck with Musk Buss.
So I was just cleaning it up. I was giving you the opportunity to speak your mind on Kansas.
No disrespect.

Speaker 1 But if Bill Self's not going to be there, you're not betting on him.

Speaker 2 I mean, the Elite 8 is still a good season after a national championship, no?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I guess it's okay. That's a Bill Self special until he won last year.

Speaker 2 Oh, look at you firing in from the top row.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Steve, thank you.

Speaker 2 Hold on one second. Yeah, yeah.
I need a guarantee for PFT he will be down here for an XFL game. The people need it.

Speaker 1 The Beer Snake. The Beer Snake was amazing last night.
D.C. Defenders 4-0.
Top of the table. My former team.

Speaker 1 I will be down in D.C. for a game this year.
Yes.

Speaker 2 In uniform?

Speaker 1 You can book that.

Speaker 1 I think they confiscated my uniform. I think that got sold at auction.
So The Rock probably has it posted up in his basement somewhere. I don't have my old uniform, but I've got Cardell Jones jersey.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I will be there in a uniform, drinking beers, adding to the cup snake with you at Audi Field this year. 100%.

Speaker 2 All right. Feed the snake.
Love it.

Speaker 1 Love it. Sorry for letting you down, Steve.
Oh.

Speaker 2 Jake, I got a quick memory. Like, it's behind me.

Speaker 2 Let's get a Vermont cover.

Speaker 1 That's what we need.

Speaker 1 You got to be coachable, Jake. You got to bounce back.
Don't stewing it. Don't stew.

Speaker 1 No apologies.

Speaker 1 Get better. All right.
Everyone go follow Stanford Steve. That's Stanford Steve 82.
He obviously, you can see him on Sports Center. Also, the Daily Wager on ESPN.

Speaker 1 Five-star recruit coming out of high school. Yeah.
Stanford Steve. Ansonia's finest, right? No, it's

Speaker 1 Ansonia.

Speaker 2 Don't eat him.

Speaker 1 All right, Steve.

Speaker 2 Ansonia, Connecticut.

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Speaker 1 Our colleague and her best friend, Joey Camasta. Hey, y'all.
So you'll hear him as well.

Speaker 1 Snooky, you are a personal hero of mine.

Speaker 1 That's amazing.

Speaker 1 I love reality television. I always, you know, I remember watching the first Jersey Shore and be like, Snookie, that's how I want to live my life.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you are it. So you have the new Jersey Shore is coming out January 26th.
Yes. Family reunion.
Did you think that in, what has it been, 20 years? What is it? 15 years?

Speaker 9 I'm not that old, bitch. Well, 2009, it started.

Speaker 1 So almost 15 years. Do you think you'd still be doing this with

Speaker 1 these people and going on family reunions?

Speaker 9 I mean, no. no.
I thought it was only

Speaker 9 the six seasons, and then that was it. Like, I had my kids.
I was married.

Speaker 1 You got divorced?

Speaker 9 No.

Speaker 9 Oh.

Speaker 1 I'm still married. Oh, you said I was married?

Speaker 9 Let's put that in the universe.

Speaker 1 No, you said I was married.

Speaker 9 All right. Got married.
Yeah. Had kids.

Speaker 1 She was married, too. Yeah, she was married.
But she's still married. Yeah.
She's still married. Same shit.

Speaker 9 But then all the reboots started happening. with like all the older shows.
So we were like, oh, maybe we'll come back. And then we came back and we're still freaking doing it.

Speaker 1 And it's, I mean, I would imagine like, you know, I'm old. Check's not bad, though.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I got three kids to feed, so it's nice. Right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Right.
I got to be completely transparent. I'd never watched the Juzy Show.
Oh, it was not. That's okay.

Speaker 9 I'm not offended.

Speaker 1 It's not a knock against you. It's not a knock.
It just

Speaker 1 sometimes you miss things. And I just missed it for whatever reason.

Speaker 9 Well, you should really watch the first season.

Speaker 1 I know. It's good.
It's the most important cultural thing America's ever given to the universe. Yes.
I'm sure it's amazing. I'm mesquitos.
I will go back.

Speaker 1 I I actually live at the Jersey Shore in the summertime. So

Speaker 1 I understand the appeal. I was in Asbury Park last summer.
Fucking spent some time down in Belmar. Way too old for Belmar's way too old for Belmar.
Yeah, you are. Yeah.
Yes.

Speaker 1 At what point did you know, like, okay, I might be aging out of the Jersey Shore? Because it seems to happen to everybody where they're like, I can't go out to DJs every weekend anymore.

Speaker 9 No, I think once we wrapped season six because I was pregnant. So I was like, I think all this shit is done now.
Like, I have to be a mom. Yeah.

Speaker 9 You know, like, of course, I have my times where I go out and I'm still fun. But, I mean, that's when I knew my life was changing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So, if you could describe what happened in the Jersey Shore, give me, like, 30 seconds and say what happened from the start to the end of Jersey Shore.

Speaker 9 Like, the first season?

Speaker 1 Yeah, give me, like, spark notes on it.

Speaker 9 It was trash. The house smelled like sex and cigarettes and vodka.

Speaker 9 There was dirty panties everywhere and not ours, random people's. I got arrested on the beach.
I got punched in the face by a guy. It was fun.

Speaker 1 Okay. That's pretty much something

Speaker 1 sold.

Speaker 1 What about the note? You didn't mention the note.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah, and the note.

Speaker 1 Can you explain that to PFT? Because it's an iconic moment in television history.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I wrote an American historical note. Yeah.

Speaker 9 And I pretended I didn't write it, but then she found out, and then it was a big, it was a big fist fight.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Ronnie and Sam Sammy's sweetheart were dating, and Ronnie was kind of maybe not doing things he should be doing. He cheated on Sam.

Speaker 1 He cheated on Sammy. He is a snitch.

Speaker 1 You were a snitch.

Speaker 9 Wrote.

Speaker 9 I was friends with both, so girl code, and I didn't want Ronnie to beat me up, so I wrote a note.

Speaker 1 But you wrote the note as somebody else, so it wasn't you snitching. It was somebody.

Speaker 9 No, me and Jenny wanted to write the note on a computer because we didn't have electronics. So they, they, I thought that Sam would have thought it was a producer because we don't have a computer.

Speaker 9 We don't have a printer. Right.
But, yeah, that didn't go over well.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, and he broke them up. I mean, that was, you know.

Speaker 9 Well, he cheated on her. And he

Speaker 1 was multiple fat women. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is true. It was breasts.
With grenades,

Speaker 1 breasts. Grenades.
Yeah. I mean, was there, when you guys are doing the first season and then it comes out,

Speaker 1 did it kind of blow your mind, though, like that everyone was adopting the culture that you guys put out there? Like the, you know,

Speaker 1 cabs are here and, you know, grenades, all these.

Speaker 9 We had no idea that it was going to be more than one season. So I went in because I always wanted to be on real world.
Like I knew I wanted to do reality. Same.
So I tried out, never got called back.

Speaker 9 But then I got calling all Guidos and I was like, oh, it's me. I'm orange.
Like I could do this.

Speaker 9 So, we only thought it was going to be one season. And then they were like, all right, let's do it again in Miami.

Speaker 9 And then they were talking about switching up casts, but they were just going to keep me and Paulie and then bring new people in. But that didn't happen.
So then we kept doing more.

Speaker 9 And I'm like, oh, shit, I think this is a thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It was. And when you watch it, where you're like, I always am curious how reality television works.
Like, I know that there's obviously some things that are manufactured and it's not all real, but no.

Speaker 1 It was pretty

Speaker 9 fucking real.

Speaker 1 At least the first couple seasons? Yeah. all six seasons.
Oh, really? Yeah, even this new one.

Speaker 9 Well, this new one's kind of different because we don't actually live in a house and it's not rigged, so you're not seeing everything, you're just seeing like random dinners here and there. Got it.

Speaker 9 When we shot those seasons, we were in a house 24-7, cameras everywhere for a full month, so you got to see everything. You didn't need to make anything up, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. And I remember when it came out, there was some blowback.
You guys got some pushback from like the Italian Unico. What was it?

Speaker 1 Italian people were mad.

Speaker 9 They're like, they were, but I was like, bitch, I'm not Italian.

Speaker 1 But we never all said. They stereotyped you.

Speaker 9 I mean, we never all like said, hey, we're Italian. It was just like, I guess Guido was very derogatory for them.

Speaker 9 But to us, it was just like a lifestyle. And it was like being emo or being like a rocker.
We're Guidos.

Speaker 1 So wait, did you feel like that? They didn't like that. Did you feel the price? Like these, what is it, Unico? I think that's what they were like.

Speaker 1 They went from like trying to fight for Columbus Day to then just going after the Jersey Shore. Yeah.
That's crazy. crazy.
It's anti-Italian discrimination zone. Yes.

Speaker 1 Relax.

Speaker 1 So how would I become a Guido then if it's not like an Italian stereotype, if it's just like a lifestyle? Yeah, I mean, maybe like a quick step-by-step, how I would dress it up.

Speaker 9 Yeah, so back in the day, you would need to obviously tan. You're a little bit pale.
I am. That's crazy.
So we would cut that hair also, and we would do a blowout.

Speaker 9 And then you have to wear a lot of like bejeweled Ed Hardy shirts.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm in. All that shit.
I could be talked into going Guido.

Speaker 9 I think you could do it.

Speaker 1 And how long have you been friends with Joey?

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 9 Since season two of Miami. So 2010? Yeah, like 12 years.

Speaker 1 How'd you guys meet up first?

Speaker 9 He's a freak.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and

Speaker 9 he treated me like I was like this fashionista, Paris Hilton when I first met him.

Speaker 9 And it wasn't the case.

Speaker 10 Carol Streep when I met her.

Speaker 1 So she weirded up.

Speaker 9 Like 7 a.m. And that was season two.
So I was still like 21, 22, like no kids yet, whatever. So I rolled into this photo shoot 7 a.m.

Speaker 9 from the club, smelling like alcohol like you know coming down and i'm like i need another shot i was like i'm gonna i'm gonna freak out so he was taking shots at me at 7 a.m and that's when i knew like this might be my soul my soul brother and are you are you soulmates yeah yes yeah you are share brains oh wow yeah we're definitely the same person okay so if you share a brain joey what do you think about uh the situation speaking on behalf of snookie the the actual guy situation yeah

Speaker 10 like and um i think that he's we love him, I think he's great. I think he's the most improved out of anyone in the whole game.

Speaker 1 Most of him he wins MIP, 100% player, yeah, most improved player, yeah. Okay, would you agree with that, Stucky? Yes, with Joey's ascertain, but we're talking about Mike, right?

Speaker 9 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a totally different person, he is in a good way, but he still has his like bullshit drama shit that he does with us, you know.

Speaker 9 Like, he's just sober, like, he's not taking drugs, doing it.

Speaker 10 He's still a shit starter, but he's just sober.

Speaker 1 And he's just sober. I mean, him in the neck collar crying is just another that was was his rock bottom.
Yeah, he was. What do you tried to fight a wall?

Speaker 9 Was that what he was doing? Well, he didn't want to fight Ron, so he just ran into the wall.

Speaker 1 That's right. That's right.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He had a neck collar.
Yeah. That's a good way to get out of a fight, though.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 One thing that always people forget, I think, about reality TV is that when you're filming it, if you're in a house-type situation, they don't let you watch television at all. You can't.

Speaker 1 No, you don't have anything. You can't read even.

Speaker 9 No, you can't read. You can't write.
You can't be on a phone. So

Speaker 9 you don't have your phone phone for like a full a full month, but we would sneak our phones in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so when you're taping this, like, how do you, you don't find any, like, you're not watching sports on TV?

Speaker 9 No, so, like, completely off the map. God forbid, like, the president died, we would have no idea.

Speaker 1 What happened when Bin Laden got shot?

Speaker 1 How did you find out Bin Laden got shot?

Speaker 9 When was that?

Speaker 1 That was 2011. Were you filming in 2011?

Speaker 9 I don't think we, yeah, but I don't think it was the time when he got shot.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 9 I don't remember.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it just seems to me like it'd be very boring to be in a house with no television. I guess it's just a damn thing.

Speaker 9 Well, Well, that's why all we do is drink, and then we end up fighting, hooking up. It's, yeah, that's all there is to do.

Speaker 10 When you go to the bars, were you allowed to talk to the people there and say, like, what's going on? Who got thrown off the show? What's going on over here?

Speaker 9 Yeah, but I mean, at that point, we didn't care what was going on. We were just drinking and having fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wait, which was the girl that you hated, Dina?

Speaker 9 No, Dina's my meatball.

Speaker 1 Oh, Angelina.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Angelina was a horrible brat.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
And she came home past, what, season two, and you guys just iced her out.

Speaker 9 she was there season one, she left, and then she came back season two, and then she left again. So that was it for her.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the worst.

Speaker 9 Nobody got along with her.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well,

Speaker 1 she just was a bad person or what? Yes. Yeah.
Okay. She wasn't great.
She missed out on the cash calendar. She did.

Speaker 9 That's her problem.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
All right. So I've seen you talk about it.
Your mom. Three.

Speaker 9 Three kids? Yeah, three kids.

Speaker 1 What are you going to do when they start watching?

Speaker 9 They already see shit on TikTok. And? And I said, mommy's an actress.

Speaker 1 Oh, so then what are you going to do?

Speaker 9 I I say that's not real.

Speaker 1 What are you going to do when they get older? They're just smart enough to realize that's not the truth.

Speaker 9 I'll just be like, mommy was a shit show. Yeah.
I mean, what are you going to do? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I have two kids and I wonder, like, what's going to happen when they look up, you know, all the shit I've done.

Speaker 9 It's going to be interesting. Well, it's like I did most of all of that shit basically when I wasn't a mom.
So it was like, I was just living my life, guys. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Like, I'm teaching my kids not to judge.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 9 hopefully they won't think I'm a shitty mom because of it.

Speaker 1 Well, like when they, you know, like are drinking in high school, you're not going to be able to be like, don't drink in high school.

Speaker 9 I mean,

Speaker 1 I'd be like, mom,

Speaker 1 look at you getting arrested on the Jersey Shore. What are we talking about?

Speaker 9 I don't even want to think about that right now. They're only 10, 8, and 3.
So,

Speaker 1 sometime.

Speaker 9 I want to stress about that, yeah.

Speaker 1 Was there ever any jealousy on the show? Because from what I know about Jersey Shore,

Speaker 1 it was very evident that you were going to be a big deal even after it was over. You were like one of the big stars.
Was anybody ever upset that you were getting all the shine?

Speaker 1 That's like Snooky's really taken away from my camera time on this show?

Speaker 9 I I don't think so. I mean, I personally never fought for camera time.
Like, let me sleep.

Speaker 9 You guys want to do you? Go ahead. I want to sleep.

Speaker 9 So I don't think so. And no one's ever said it.
But I mean, I'm sure there was times where we were all like

Speaker 9 to each other.

Speaker 1 Do you know what happened to the deleted footage? You know, the stuff that they couldn't air on TV? Does that ever cross your mind? Like,

Speaker 1 somebody has that?

Speaker 9 MTV has all the sex tapes. Let me tell you.

Speaker 1 Oh.

Speaker 1 Are there any rules? Does this motion?

Speaker 1 Hey, they're not allowed to do anything with this. Are they kept under lock and key?

Speaker 9 No, we didn't have rights like that. We had zero rights.

Speaker 1 See, if I were you, I would be nervous that one day somebody's going to put out the smushroom tapes.

Speaker 9 I mean, I think it's illegal to like show all that shit.

Speaker 1 I mean, they signed something.

Speaker 9 But they showed a lot on the show. So it is what it is.
They did. But I mean, like, naked-wise, I don't think you could actually show a snake.

Speaker 10 Aren't you always under the covers, though? Or at some time you throw them off?

Speaker 9 Yeah, you throw them off because it's so hot. Oh, no.
And, like, you want to be under the covers because the camera's right there on the bed. That is.

Speaker 9 But I mean, once you're in the moment and you're drunk, you just. Love is love.
I mean, me and Gianni have some tapes on there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Love is love.
Did you ever, like, were there any guys or girls that got brought back to the house and they're like, wait a second, there are cameras in the room that we're about to do it in?

Speaker 1 No, thanks, I'm out.

Speaker 9 No, because they knew what they were doing. Yeah.
Yeah. And those girls didn't give a shit.
They just wanted to have sex with Pauli Day and situation. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who came to your wedding from the cast?

Speaker 9 Everybody but

Speaker 9 Mike.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Mike, because we weren't speaking.

Speaker 1 Oh, what happened there?

Speaker 9 And then Angelina. He was just like still getting off the drugs and he was fighting with everyone, so I didn't want him at my wedding.
Got it.

Speaker 9 And then me and Vinny were mad at each other because he was doing stand-up, and

Speaker 9 his whole thing was making fun of me. What? And I'm like, you got no more material.
Like, you got to throw me under the bus like that. So I was mad at him for a little bit.

Speaker 9 So he didn't go to my wedding. And then Angelina, obviously, I haven't spoken to her in years.

Speaker 1 And who's on? Is everyone back for this new season? Is that what we're doing?

Speaker 9 Yeah, everybody, but no, Ron's not because he's still working on his shit. Yep.
And then Sammy refuses to come back.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Would you talk to her at all or no?

Speaker 9 I've been trying to reach out and I'm like, you really need to come back on the show. Like, even if it's just a dinner with us girls.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 People want to see you. And then all of a sudden, she blocked me.

Speaker 1 Oh, she blocked you?

Speaker 9 I don't know what I did.

Speaker 1 On social media and phone?

Speaker 9 Well, no, I haven't reached out to her because I get the hint. Like, you blocked me.
Why am I going to reach out to you?

Speaker 1 Joey, do you have her number? I have her number, yeah. You want to call her? No.
Why? No, let's just call her right now. Let's call her right now and see if we can get this figured out.
No.

Speaker 1 Break history.

Speaker 9 I mean, I'm good. If she doesn't want to speak, I'm not chasing her.

Speaker 1 Come on, call her, Joey. No, I can't.
She'll yell at me. No, why? It's not you, Chaser, it's Joey.
Yeah, Joey's going to Joey. Call her and be like, have you seen Snookie recently? I can't find her.

Speaker 1 I'm worried about her. She's missing.

Speaker 1 I got her kids right here.

Speaker 1 This would be great. This would be great.
She's going to be mad. Nicole doesn't want to do that.
I'm not calling her. Yeah, no, Joey, you give me your number.
I'll call her. Okay, you'll call her.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I'll call her. For my phone.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Okay. Should he?

Speaker 1 Nick?

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't think so. Oh, no.
Damn.

Speaker 9 Sorry. It's not that big of a deal.

Speaker 1 Of you guys not talking, even though you're best friends.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I mean, we were very close. It's sad, but I mean, that's your decision.

Speaker 1 I want to see you guys get back together. Well, that's on her.
Yeah, that's true. You've done all you can do.

Speaker 9 Literally. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, I like that.

Speaker 1 I can be at peace with that. That is weird behavior.
Dr. Bulletin, she would block you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 i can imagine like one day like i just i wake up and i block memes yeah i'm also like 35 like why are you blocking me i'm in high school yeah so i don't even want to chase it yeah so all right so the um how many more seasons are we gonna do well we're starting to film again oh in like two months i like this just keep i'm tired you are i would like to have like some sort of break like we stopped thanksgiving and now we're already like shooting and gearing up for another trip and where's it shooting i don't know they don't tell us okay and now have you thought maybe like transitioning to like the next stage of reality television, doing like Real Housewives?

Speaker 1 Did Real Housewives in New Jersey kind of steal your guys' shtick for a better word?

Speaker 9 No, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 Are you tight with me?

Speaker 9 There's totally different shows. Do you know any of them?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, they're nice.

Speaker 9 They're nice girls, but I just did Angie's show, and there was like a little drama because everybody wanted me on Housewives, and he was like, nah, I'm good.

Speaker 9 And I personally wouldn't do housewives because those bitches are dirty. Yeah.
They are mean. Yeah.
They're grimy. It's all about drama.

Speaker 1 I don't want that.

Speaker 9 I just want to have a good time.

Speaker 1 I did always appreciate that about you. It did feel like you weren't one of the people who's trying to backstab people.
You're just having a good time.

Speaker 9 I literally just want to have a good time and go home. So Housewives is not that.

Speaker 1 That's a great mantra. That is good.
I want to have a good time and go home. Yeah, go to sleep.
I would appreciate that.

Speaker 1 You've done some other stuff, though. You did Dancing with the Stars, right? I did.
You did Celebrity Apprentice.

Speaker 9 I did. Oh, it's terrible.

Speaker 1 And you did WrestleMania. I did do WrestleMania.
So out of those three, what's your biggest accomplishment? WrestleMania Champion?

Speaker 9 Yeah, WrestleMania first, then Dancing with the Stars, because those were two amazing experiences. And Apprentice, I freaking hated.
Why?

Speaker 1 Does this work?

Speaker 9 Well, no, I was away from my kids, so I didn't see them for like two weeks straight, so that killed me. But also, everything was so serious.
People were backstabbing each other just to win.

Speaker 9 I literally walked in the boardroom. I was like, this show ain't for me.
I got to go.

Speaker 1 I walked out. Was it Schwarzenegger or was it? Schwarzenegger.
Yeah. How is he as a boss?

Speaker 9 Amazing. He's so cool.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He's iconic. It is funny, though, that on Celebrity Apprentice, they just trick everybody to going into an office and working for them.
He sucks. You're working on it.
I wasn't into it. Terrible job.

Speaker 1 That would be weird, though, if you did go on Housewives and then your friends from the Jersey Shores showed up and it was like a crossover episode. That would break people's brains, I think.

Speaker 1 It's like, wait, these characters aren't on this show. No, it'd be crazy.

Speaker 9 They're on a different show.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is there something that people come up when they see you on the street and they're like, hey, Snookie? And they say like one thing that you're really sick of them saying?

Speaker 9 you look so much better in person.

Speaker 1 That's fucked up.

Speaker 9 Yeah. I'm like, cool, because I'm a fucking frog on TV.

Speaker 1 Like, I get it.

Speaker 9 No, but I get it because on TV, like, we're drinking, so you're not looking your best. And, like, Joey's not doing my makeup.
Right. You know what I mean? You need him there.

Speaker 9 Yeah, we're just like trashy on the show. So, I mean, I get it, but I'm like, thanks.

Speaker 1 What does your husband think about your reality television career? Like, that you keep going out there. Is he supportive?

Speaker 9 Like, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's hard for him because obviously when I leave, he's with the kids, right? So he's like just know that I'm doing my best at home.

Speaker 9 Like I support you, but it's a lot for him. Yeah.
Because he's home with three kids.

Speaker 1 And does he watch every episode?

Speaker 9 No.

Speaker 1 None of them? No. Really? He's just like,

Speaker 9 I don't even watch them sometimes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it would be tough to watch yourself.

Speaker 9 Well, it's hard because my kids sleep with me and they're always in the bed. So like I don't know.

Speaker 9 If I'm like drunk and cursing or, you know, like doing a cartwheel and like something happens, you know, like I just don't want my kids to see that, so I don't watch it, I watch it on my phone, so nobody sees it.

Speaker 1 Got it. You've been around reality TV for so long.

Speaker 1 Do you have a sixth sense of when something's happening, when you're doing something, and you're like, This is going to be gold, they're going to love this later.

Speaker 9 Yeah, but I also know like when I say something, and then I'm like, shit, this is going to be a thing.

Speaker 9 And then it snowballs into a bigger thing, and I'm like, oh.

Speaker 1 And you can't ever tell them, like, hey, cut that out. No, we don't really say nothing.
No.

Speaker 9 I mean,

Speaker 9 it's nice now because we just um this season we were like out dancing and like i guess my nipple was starting to come out okay and usually they would keep that but sallyan the executive producer came up to me she goes i'm just gonna cut that out for you okay and i'm like thank you nice i don't i don't want that yeah yeah so like silly things like that but like back in the day they wouldn't have cut that no change i think they have respect for me at somewhat as a mother yeah yeah so like yeah let's cut that nipple shot out have you thought about like nipple protection?

Speaker 1 How to make this not happen?

Speaker 9 I mean, I should be wearing nipple pads.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm old.
I don't do that shit. All right, so Joey, tell us something that we don't know about Snooky that would shock everyone.

Speaker 9 Be nice.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 10 She's a psychic. She's a medium.
She talks to the dead.

Speaker 9 Oh, my God, Joey. Here we go.

Speaker 1 Here we go. No, she really does.
Can you guess a number between one and a hundred? No, that's not how it works.

Speaker 10 And we meditate and lay on the floors when we were fucked up in rooms, and she'll make me talk to dead people.

Speaker 1 And it worked. It worked.

Speaker 10 If someone walked in on us, we had meditation music on.

Speaker 9 Oh, we look like we were in the middle of the day.

Speaker 1 And they were laying on the floors, their eyes crack.

Speaker 10 Like chanting and stuff, trying to talk to the dead. But no, she can really, she can, like, be in a cab and say, does the word, does the name, this mean anything to you? God!

Speaker 1 And it's like, freeze looks like a dead wife. Why does it work like that? Do you talk to dead celebrities or just dead normal people?

Speaker 9 No, I'd never say that.

Speaker 1 Do you know Tommy Lasorder? Can you see how he's doing?

Speaker 9 That's not how it works. I'm not like an actual, like, yeah.

Speaker 1 But you're still not Teresa Caputo. But think about, like, maybe when you go home tonight, just give us, tell Tommy we're thinking about him.
Who's Tommy? Tommy Lasorda. Literally,

Speaker 1 anybody could do it.

Speaker 1 No, well, yeah, he was a friend of ours. He was the former Dodgers manager.
He passed away. He's old.
But we'd just like to know if you're thinking about it.

Speaker 9 But anyone can do it.

Speaker 1 You can fix fights in heaven.

Speaker 9 All you have to do is clear your mind and meditate. I usually meditate in the sauna, and that's when I start to feel things.
And then

Speaker 9 I'll text someone, does this make sense for you?

Speaker 9 And then it's actually like one of my friends like uncles who passed anybody could do it you just got to meditate whoa So can you just hit up Tommy for us or just like can you tell me I don't know how to do that though is there just find Tommy like I'm just starting out Yeah, I know just read about Tommy find Tommy just be like all right next time I'm in the song I'll be like Tommy Tommy the boys from part of my take want to know want to want to let you know that like respect

Speaker 1 Tommy's

Speaker 1 Tommy's dead cat named Tommy as well oh yeah so I might get confused

Speaker 1 that it makes my cat you know what if it gets to the cat or time of the sorter I'm fine as long as the message gets sent.

Speaker 9 To Tommy. Yeah, to Tommy.

Speaker 1 You can figure out what to do. Can you just, like, can you pause for a second and think, is there anybody in this room that we might be connected to that you can channel their spirit right now?

Speaker 9 That's not how it works for me.

Speaker 1 Does it have to be hotter in this room?

Speaker 9 No, I actually have to meditate. I'm not like an actual.
You're an idiot.

Speaker 1 No, she's not. No, she doesn't.
I'm not an actual scientist media. I think you are.
I think you're just underselling it.

Speaker 9 No, I'm just, I talked to Joey. I haven't practiced.

Speaker 1 Please don't talk to Joey that way. For me.
Oh, he is an idiot. He's not an idiot.
Okay.

Speaker 9 You don't know him that long.

Speaker 1 That's very true.

Speaker 1 I did see a clip of Joey making an appearance on the Jersey Shore.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 9 He's been banned.

Speaker 1 So why is he banned?

Speaker 1 Yes, tell them.

Speaker 1 I do it here all the time.

Speaker 9 So he came to Vegas. It was like a couple of seasons ago, and we just had a blast.
So much fun. Like, we were up till 5 a.m.
It was like the full episode. It was just me and Joey.

Speaker 9 But he got banned because he was so wasted, he kept grabbing the cameraman's beaches.

Speaker 9 So, yeah, so he was like getting, he was sexually harassing the crew. Yeah.
Got it. And the producer had to come up to him and say, Joey, you cannot do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He cannot do that.
Can't grab Cox.

Speaker 9 Yeah. So ever since then, he hasn't been invited back.

Speaker 10 Well, I've been invited back, but they keep a distance.

Speaker 10 Last time they made me dressed in a turkey costume and they didn't, and then they made me wait in the car until they were ready for my performance.

Speaker 9 He sat in a costume for two hours.

Speaker 1 But I got tipsy.

Speaker 10 I started grabbing, you know, just grabbing the guys and making them.

Speaker 1 Grabbing it. Yeah.
You do that to Billy all the time. Mac and Ansel.
And he doesn't have a problem with it.

Speaker 1 That's why why I can't. You can get canceled for that now.
Yeah, you can get canceled. Yeah.
You shouldn't do that.

Speaker 9 You got to watch yourself.

Speaker 10 Yeah. I got to be careful.
But that's why I thrive here.

Speaker 1 Are you shocked that the Jersey Shore, like, as a whole, hasn't gotten canceled?

Speaker 9 I mean, back in the day,

Speaker 9 we did some not okay shit. Right.
On, like, saying things and just a different time now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Totally a different time. Yeah.
Yeah. Was it.
How crazy was it when you're making, I saw a report. I don't know if it's true, but it said $150,000 an episode when you're like 21.

Speaker 9 Yeah, that was back in the day. It was somewhere around that.
So it's more now? That's... No.
Oh.

Speaker 1 But, I mean,

Speaker 1 if you're 21 and your life is going out, partying, going back to your house, getting paid for that. You're making that kind of money.

Speaker 9 It was a blessing.

Speaker 1 What do you spend your money on?

Speaker 9 No wonder everybody hated us.

Speaker 1 If you're making $150,000 per episode, what do you spend your money on as a 21-year-old? What kind of

Speaker 1 stupidity?

Speaker 9 Luckily, I have really good parents, and my dad basically invested all my money. I hardly spent anything.

Speaker 9 I mean, I bought like an Escalade truck. That was like my biggest purchase.
But my dad took over everything. Thank God.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Those trucks were awesome. Speaking of which, how many car accidents have you been in?

Speaker 9 Well, you saw the one in Italy.

Speaker 9 They cut the brakes. I swear to God.
Because I know how to drive stick. You know how to kill you?

Speaker 9 I know how to drive stick. Okay.
I swear one of the producers did something because

Speaker 9 you're not speeding. You're going like 50 miles an hour in Italy.

Speaker 9 But of course, I hit the cop car. I swear that was my fault.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 9 Oh, I hit a deer once. Okay.

Speaker 9 I

Speaker 10 Did it die?

Speaker 9 Yeah, it's not bad. Not bad.
I'm not a terrible driver.

Speaker 1 Okay. When you hit a cop car.
I feel like there were moments that you were a terrible driver, no?

Speaker 9 Sure, back in the day.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Now I drive a minivan and I'm amazing.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 What did the cops say when you hit the cop car? That's like my worst nightmares.

Speaker 9 The first thing they, well, they were swearing in Italian, and then right away they gave me a breathalyzer test. And I'm like, fuck.
What if I'm still drunk from last night?

Speaker 9 Because I didn't drink that morning. But I'm like, oh my God, if I blow something, I will be stuck in Italy.
And you didn't, though. No, I blew a zero.

Speaker 1 Thank God. Hell yes.
Can you imagine?

Speaker 9 Because that happens to people.

Speaker 9 Like you're driving to work the next day, you're still drunk, and you blow something, you get a DWI.

Speaker 10 I wish Italy had that because they drink wine with lunch there. I would think it'd be a very not the drunk, but literally.

Speaker 1 We still can't drive drunk.

Speaker 10 Yeah, but I'm surprised they do both of us. Yeah, it's a cultural thing.

Speaker 9 No, they did it right away, and paparazzi was getting it. I wanted to die.

Speaker 1 You probably blew 0.0, and they're like, well, she's American.

Speaker 9 Get her out of here.

Speaker 1 I mean. Do you know when the paparazzi's around? Like,

Speaker 1 those pictures of you getting arrested were iconic.

Speaker 1 I don't even remember that day. No.
But did you, like, so can you tell, though, when you're like, oh, I know paparazzi's behind me? Like, I can feel it.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah. Back in the day when we shot, there was, like, thousands following us.
Like, the Kardashians. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like, what is this?

Speaker 9 Damn. I hated it.

Speaker 1 That's pretty awesome, though. It was cool.
Being that big of a deal. All right.
Well, this has been awesome. Yeah, this is nice.
I can stay here all day. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, dead people may talk to that deer that you killed.

Speaker 9 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Stop. That's kind of fucked up.

Speaker 9 No, I don't think I killed it. It ran away.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 9 There, but it broke a little limb.

Speaker 1 I'm sure, yeah, with your fucking Cadillac Escalade. I'm sure that.
No, it was my Honda that broke down.

Speaker 1 God. Well, yes, Snookie, thank you so much.
This has been awesome. Everyone, check out the new season of Jersey Shore.
And I'm going to watch it. It's season one.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say

Speaker 1 I'm going to make it. You're going to love it.
Can I do it in a weekend? I'm not joking when I say it. I love it.
It is maybe the peak of American culture. You know what I might do?

Speaker 1 I might sit down at some point over the next couple weeks and just binge it i'll live tweet it i'll leave tweet it experiencing a

Speaker 1 first time ever yeah all right i'll watch it okay i'll watch your journey thank you yes all right well snookie thanks so much we really appreciate it thank you guys

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Speaker 1 I'm not going to do it ever again.

Speaker 3 If you're going to hang with your boys to watch games and gamble and your games lose so you have no more money, are you being a bitch if you leave the hang immediately?

Speaker 3 Or is it about hanging with your boys and watching hoops and not just about gambling?

Speaker 1 No, this is an individual war that everybody goes through. It's always fun to have team bets that you get loaded up on together.

Speaker 1 But if you lose and you're in a bad mood, you run the, it's a risk of spreading that contagion of you being negative and bummed out, and you can bring down the rest of the boys or girls at the party.

Speaker 1 You just got to, everyone has to find their own way through March. Yeah, you got to, well, first of all, money management, responsible gambling, like that.

Speaker 1 You got to know, like, hey, you don't want to be, you want to be able to be around for the whole first four days.

Speaker 1 So make sure that that you got that in your head when you're, when you're putting in those first bets. But yeah, I would say a timeout is important.
Everyone needs a timeout.

Speaker 1 Maybe take a quick walk, maybe go grab something to eat, and then come back.

Speaker 1 Here's

Speaker 1 where it really lies.

Speaker 1 If you're like hanging out with your guys and you lose your bets and you have no money to bet on, and then you leave, just think about the next 11 months when you wish you had that moment where you could watch the tournament with your boys.

Speaker 1 So you just just got to mentally reset and then realize it's bigger than you. It's bigger than any of us.
This is March. It's the tournament.
It is the tournament. It's the perfect bracket.

Speaker 3 Hey, boys, love the show. Big thanks for all the laughs each week.

Speaker 3 We're doing a bracket challenge with my dad's side of the family, and my aunt and uncle, who are retired, by the way, claim they're too busy to fill out a bracket.

Speaker 3 How can anyone be too busy to fill out a bracket? Please advise.

Speaker 1 That's bullshit. It takes 30 seconds.

Speaker 1 You should just make them.

Speaker 3 You could not fill out a bracket in 30 seconds.

Speaker 1 You want to bet? Yeah. All right.
Time me. Yeah.
Wait, do we have four

Speaker 1 brackets? There's a pen right in front of you. All right, tell us when, and

Speaker 1 talk during it so the people.

Speaker 1 Jake, do talk radio. Three, two, one.

Speaker 1 Go.

Speaker 1 All right. So

Speaker 1 first four tonight, Pitt, Mississippi State. Tomorrow, Arizona State.
Nevada. Big County PFT.
10 seconds in. I can't do this.
No, no. Jake, who'd you have in the bus? Okay, you're right.

Speaker 1 10 seconds in, I got Drake. Titus and I have Drake.
Who do you have? You're right. You're right, Hank.
I got Utah State. You're right.
You were right. I'm riding Utah State Titans.

Speaker 1 Credit to Hank. You do, Buskers.
You can do one pick a second. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Credit to Hank. He's right.
Three minutes. You can fill out a bracket.

Speaker 3 Sup, fellas. I was able to get myself a long weekend, but unfortunately still have to work during day one of the annual spring basketball tournament.
What is the proper way to-

Speaker 3 What is the proper way to bet while at work? Should I bet all unders because I won't be watching the games games as much?

Speaker 3 And how long, how many long bathroom breaks can I take to sweat out games before it becomes suspicious?

Speaker 1 So, all right.

Speaker 3 If your work is actually like monitoring you this day, it's like that's crazy.

Speaker 1 That's crazy. You should be able to at least have it on the screen while you're fake working.

Speaker 1 Yes, unders is a great call because no one wants to watch a game when you have the under. I took the unders on Sunday, Championship Sunday.
I didn't watch those games because it was just torture.

Speaker 1 Every shot that's made, you're like, I'm losing. So I would just hammer all the unders and hope you win a bunch of money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would do every under except for the one game that you have on on your side screen that you're paying attention to and then bet the over on that one. I call them movie unders.

Speaker 1 Whenever I go see a movie, I'll just load up on unders, knowing I'm not going to look at my phone for two hours, come out, hope you won. Movie unders.

Speaker 3 Sup, fellas. Looking at the slate for Thursday and Friday, what is the miss the game and get up and go do something slightly productive so I don't be like a lazy piece of shit game?

Speaker 1 Those are the games that are always awesome. There isn't.
That doesn't, there's individual games. There's a 30-minute gap that you can walk your dog.
We're putting a PMTV out at that exact 30 minutes.

Speaker 1 Okay, perfect. Yes.
Because I remember I used to do that.

Speaker 1 I'd take when before we were doing streams and I was just watching with friends or at a bar, I would be like, there's a 30-minute gap that you can basically go take your dog out and then be right back.

Speaker 3 It's like between like 5.45 and 6.45.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they play like two, they play back-to-back episodes of Impractical Jokers. Yeah.
That's when you take a a break.

Speaker 1 The way it works is each site has a day session and a night session with two games each. So they have to kick everyone out of the arenas and reset.

Speaker 1 So 4.30 is the last day game, and then 6.50 is the first night game. So you really don't have time.
Yeah, because that's a soft 4.30, too. Correct.
30 minutes after the first time.

Speaker 1 So it's a double overtime. It gets pushed back.
But do remember to walk your dog. That is important.
Your dog will understand if you don't. It's March.
No, just, I mean, when I say walk, it's just.

Speaker 1 pee, poop. Open the door.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 All right, and last one, Sup PMT, longtime listener, first time texter. Wondering if you can walk us through the etiquette of betting against either your roommate's bracket pick slash alma mater.

Speaker 3 One, is it acceptable to do? Two, should you tell them? Three, should you chirp the whole game? Four, is there any line you shouldn't cross in this high-tensity situation?

Speaker 1 High-tensity? Wait, what was the scenario again? That'll work. High intensity.
Basically, asking, what's the etiquette for betting against your friend's bets?

Speaker 1 I would say that you don't want to be vocal if you're betting against... You're allowed to, because this is March.
It's every man for himself. Correct.
It's tough. So go with what you want to do.

Speaker 1 But if you bet against your friend's alma mater, then I would keep that quiet. Fandom, yeah.
That's a little bit different, but if you, like, you can bet against your friend's bracket, obviously.

Speaker 3 Yeah, people will try and shame you for betting against them or make you feel personal or make it feel like it's a you against them thing when it when it never is no it never is you should not you know don't let them shame you do whatever you want don't let them feel bad you should doink uh there there is okay a couple rules here i think.

Speaker 3 If it's great value, it's great value.

Speaker 1 I think everyone gets every day of March Madness, if you're gambling with your buddies, everyone gets a must-win game.

Speaker 1 And the must-win games do trump everything else in terms of you can bet against the must-win game, but just get in line in terms of how you, you know, you're demonstrative about it.

Speaker 1 Because if someone has a must-win game, that means it's very important to them. I also think there's rules in you can't, don't be the guy who says they had the pick in the last two minutes.

Speaker 1 If you're like sitting, if PT and I are sitting next to each other and he's got Alabama and I have who the fuck is Alabama playing. Or let's say he has Maryland and I have West Virginia.

Speaker 1 And he's like, I got Maryland. He's rooting for Maryland all game.
And then West Virginia wins in the last two minutes. Like, hey, I had West Virginia.
Don't be that guy. I would also add to that.

Speaker 1 Just let it be a known. Let it be known.
I would add to that. Don't.
Don't, if you're in a position where you're not betting on a game, and let's use that same example.

Speaker 1 And then before tip, Big Cat says, I love Maryland. Don't hear him say that and be like, I'm actually going to take West Virginia.

Speaker 1 Don't last minute it.

Speaker 1 Don't wait for somebody to say what they are betting on and for you to be like, wait, I actually like the opposite of that. I'm going to bet on that.

Speaker 1 Don't deliberately fade your friends. Fade.
That happens. Don't let it happen naturally.
And if you have your friends call, you love your friends. Follow the system.
Follow the system.

Speaker 3 But if the system is fade, Big Cat, you've got to follow it.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. I had a system fade the hungry dog.
I'm a fucking millionaire.

Speaker 1 I didn't actually. I bet it every single time.

Speaker 3 And it lost every single time. It's not true.
It won.

Speaker 1 No, it didn't.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, the technicality one. There's like one game a day where you're very vocal about it.
Yeah, I'm like, I need this.

Speaker 1 I need this. I need this game.
You got to reach it. This is the game I need.
And if you have the opposite side, that's fine. But just know, I need this game.
But yeah, look, it's tense.

Speaker 1 I will just be on the

Speaker 1 proponent for one thing. If you can find one bet that everyone can get on, it is so much fun.

Speaker 1 It is, we're going to actually do for the streams this year, we're going to do a new, we're going to try something new where I think there's like seven or eight of us streaming, and we're just going to go down the line.

Speaker 1 So let's say Hank is first. Hank's going to pick a game in the early slates.
Everyone on the stream is going to bet it. If Hank wins, he gets another pick.
If he loses, we go to the next person.

Speaker 1 Because there is nothing better than everyone rooting for the same thing in March Madness when chaos happens. Those are the memories that you take home and you like close your eyes.

Speaker 1 You're like, remember that? Remember we all hit that? Jelly Walker. Jelly Walker was an all-time memory.
Yep. And there was only one person in that room who didn't have it.
Posco.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Have fun with your friends.
Enjoy it. And remember, everyone ends up losing anyway.
So it's the memories that we take with us. Those are the important things.
I had one other thing.

Speaker 1 What's more likely making a perfect bracket or Hank getting the lottery ball number?

Speaker 1 You getting the lottery ball number. 9 quintillion.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know what? Warren Buffett's doing his billion-dollar challenge.
I'll match. Yeah.
If anybody has a perfect bracket. I like that.
I'll match.

Speaker 1 Has to be uploaded to whatever website Warren Buffett uses. Yeah.
I like that. I'll match that too.
You're going to double? I'll double it. What are we giving? A billion dollars.
No, they have to.

Speaker 1 I will give away a billion dollars. I'll double.

Speaker 1 What happens? What happens? I need to see the numbers.

Speaker 1 Not legally binding, Mr. Porter will sue you.

Speaker 1 Parity law. There's always like that one or two, those one or two people that have a perfect bracket through like the first round or two.
Yeah. Not nope.
Not worried. Billion dollars.

Speaker 1 Those are fun though. I remember 94, 95,

Speaker 1 I went 16 for 16, 15 for 16. And I was like, this fucking, this is the best.
Then you're chasing that. And then I never, yeah, no, I've never even come close.

Speaker 1 Figured out. Yeah.
And I'm sure if I look back, it was probably like the most chalky tournament of all time. It might have been, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm never going to, I'm never going to ruin that memory. Did you you guys used to run bracket pools like back in school?

Speaker 1 I used to my dad used to just

Speaker 1 his office had a bracket and he would let me like put in and it was always the best. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It was the absolute How did you keep track of like who won? I would highlight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I would highlight the correct way. I ran a pool in high school that got so big that like the school basketball coach and everybody except for the main principal, all the administrators were in.

Speaker 1 And then the principal found out and she threatened to suspend me for being a bookmaker. Yeah.
And then I had to give up the go. It was tough because I was the bracket guy.

Speaker 1 Everybody knew, come see PFT if

Speaker 1 you want to get in this pool. But once it reaches, like, you got to lay a little bit low.

Speaker 1 You got to be under, like, once you start getting into four, $5,000 bracket pools in high school, you need to take a step back. Yeah.
My dad used to also go to Vegas

Speaker 1 every couple years for the first round, and then I would just get to make bets through him, and that was awesome, too.

Speaker 1 No idea how I ended up how I am.

Speaker 1 All right. Hank, have you ever gotten the lottery ball number? Nope.

Speaker 1 Numbers. 69.

Speaker 1 17. Billy's been grasping this mic's thing forever.
Well, I've been getting cucked lately, so we'll start playing defense. I guess 17.
I'll guess 88. 18.

Speaker 1 I'm going to go with

Speaker 1 44.

Speaker 1 20.

Speaker 1 One time. Did you say hey? 69 or so, dude.

Speaker 10 Said 17, maybe?

Speaker 1 Said 17.

Speaker 1 36.

Speaker 3 So close.

Speaker 1 Not even close.

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Speaker 1 Say I'll take it anyway.

Speaker 1 Today is another thing.

Speaker 1 I won't say it's fun,

Speaker 1 so let's wait.

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