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Welcome to Pardon my Take. Today is Wednesday, January 18th, and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are dead.
D-E-A-D, dead. Apologies are in order.
Disgusting season. Disgusting season.
I'm personally offended as a football fan by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And there are apologies in order.
I would like to formally apologize to one Dakota Prescott because I was wrong. He was sensational on Monday Night Football.
Playoff deck. He was absolutely shut the haters up.

I include myself in that camp.

I was very wrong.

Not to be Skip Bayless, but I was wrong about being wrong about the Bucs,

and ultimately I was right.

I should have listened to my former self when Jake gave me the reminder.

The Bucs are who we thought they were.

They're just not a very good football team.

I mean, this is tough for Byron Leftwichwich because he was the hot name as an offensive coordinator. It was like, oh, who's going to hire Byron Leftwich next year? He got dismissed after the game.
I don't even think that he had left the field by the time that they said. It was like a World Cup firing where it's like, okay, obviously whatever happened wasn't good enough.
The Bucs offense was, again, depressing to watch. It's the old saying, when someone tries to tell you who they are, listen.
You know, like if someone's actions are a certain way, that's probably who they are. The Bucs offense, we listened, we watched for 17 games, and it was the same thing.
That one fucking second half against the Panthers when Tom Brady was throwing deep to Mike Evans just screwed up my brain. But they were the same pathetic offense all year where it was little short passes, Tom Brady scared to get hit, throwing the ball into the ground, not being able to run the ball.
It just was a full display of what we've seen and what we knew they were. And I got fucking duped by my own stupidity.
It was a bad display of football of football very and i mean tom brady was the one that was saying he's been watching a lot of film around the league this year there's a lot of ugly football tom brady has been he watches a lot of his own film we know that that's what he was mistaking it for because that is i was depressed watching by the end of that game i left with like a minute left in the game i just i could not bring myself to watch any more bucks football and you know what's so weird about tom brady because i do think that he's probably not retired the comments that he was making after the game felt like i'm done with the bucks but uh all the you know talk about where he could land the raiders the dolphins the 49ers even though kirk mourner's their quarterback Jets, which I threw out there, which would be hilarious for the Billy Hank dynamic. My Jets theory is simple.
It's just that Zach Wilson said whoever comes in, any veteran quarterback that comes in is going to make their life hell. I assume that that means he's going to fuck that guy's wife.
Tom Brady doesn't have a wife. Jets solve their own problem.
But Tom Brady also might hit up Giselle and be like, hey, it's January. I got a lot of free time.
We've never hung out in January before. You want to just give this a chance and see where it goes? That's a great point.
Because they say before you get married to somebody, you should be with them through every season of the year. They've never spent time together during the playoffs.
Right. Yeah.
No, it's true. He might be a great husband in early February and late January.
We don't know. Yeah, he's a goat husband.
He just never had a chance at it. But the Tom Brady, watching him play, I actually think he's almost like tortured because his arm is – it's not like Peyton Manning, last days of Peyton Manning, where his arm was completely shot.
Tom Brady's arm is still fine. His brain is still fine.
His legs and his want to stand in the pocket have completely eroded. I think that's part of his brain.
I guess it's his spine. His spine's not okay because he's been hit so much this year that he's gun shy.
And it's gotten to the point where you feel bad for him in the pocket. When he sees somebody coming, he's bailing out of throws.
He's throwing as he's turning away. And when he was running with the ball and they were like chasing it i said at the time it's like watching your grandfather trying to ice skate yeah you just assume that something awful is about to happen yeah this clip does not end well for tom brady or like go not even ice skate because ice skate takes some skill it's like watching your grandfather try to go down like a steep hill yeah you know like where it's like oh this hill's oh okay these first two steps i'm okay and it's like wait hold on i gotta hold on to something here yeah it's it's or like when your grandfather gets on a sled once a year he's like well i think i still got a couple reps in me yeah and he gets down and he's like oh well this is a bad idea but yeah his it like i i would imagine that tom brady in practice that's got to be the torture part where in practice when you're not hitting he's doing everything that he's always done and he feels probably the exact same he's always felt and then the live reps come and i know obviously their offensive line was banged up and they weren't great this year but still like watching him essentially say i when the pressure even gets a little bit close to me i'm out i'm throwing it i'm done throwing it into the ground that's It's sad to watch.
How bad is this for the 80 for Brady buzz that's going to be going? They were counting on him getting a deep postseason run just to promote that movie a little bit. Now he's not going to be on TV as much anymore.
It's going to be tough for box office. I think really Tom Brady is he's been a great quarterback for a long time.
I think he might have some time left in him, but you do have to wonder if maybe losing his biggest support staff leading up into the season, especially into these playoffs, had a mental effect on him. Of course, by that I mean Hank.
Oh, I thought you were talking about Gronk, too. Hank completely bailed on his hero and refused to support him in the playoffs.
And you think maybe going into this game, if there's one person Tom could have counted on for his whole career, it was Henry Lockwood. Yep.
And knowing that he lost his oldest friend, who's now supporting Dak Prescott, that probably weighed very heavily on his shoulders. And so if you notice at the beginning of the show, I said there's apologies, plural, in order.
One of my apologies is for Dakota Prescott, who was sensational. I'll say it again.
He was absolutely lights out. Like know that we said Daniel Jones played the best the weekend.
I mean, Dak pretty much played perfect football. Daknamic.
He was Daknamic. My other apology is for Tom Brady because you shouldn't have to go out like that with Hank turning his back on you.
And really, when it comes down to it, all I was thinking about, Monday Night Football, like the story of that game, the biggest loser in all of this is Hank. Hank had supported him from the start.
He went to jail for it. Right.
How much bigger of a fan can you be of a man than Hank was of Tom Brady? And then at the slightest sense of maybe this might be some adversity that we're going to have to deal with for the first time ever. Hank was like, you know, that star looks pretty good on the side of those helmets.
What do they say about the wall? Are you supposed to? Defund the wall? Defund the wall. Defund the wall.
That's Hank's statement. So in all seriousness, Hank, you were right about the Cowboys in the first round.
And I'll say this to you, Big Cat. As much as I listen and follow tom brady probably the one person i listen and follow to more is is you you're you know been a central figure leader leading by you know example in my life and what you said to jake was true don't bet on tom brady in the playoffs and i i i knew i knew that i know how smart past big cat is and i wasn wasn't going to let current Big Cat get in the way of that.

It was one of the dumbest bets I've ever made,

given all the circumstances and the fact that I actually had such a good read

on this Bucs team, and then I just got swept up in,

well, it's Tom Brady and Dak Prescott.

I don't really believe in him, and it went exactly the reverse.

And I make a pledge.

I will always listen to your reminders. I had one for this coming weekend, too, for the divisional round.
Don't put on the box. Oh, okay.
All right. Okay.
Well, yeah, that's good. Done.
I'm already listening. Look at that.
New Year's resolution. So, but, Hank, you were right about the Cowboys for the first round.
Now, people were demanding an apology. I don't think that you deserve apology until the Cowboys win the Super Bowl.

Then you get to do a victory lap that will make me want to throw up.

This entire thing was not about you winning a first-round playoff game.

No.

Do you want to put a banner?

You thought there was a one-two?

Do you want to put a banner for that?

I also, that's where I don't, I remove the Tom Brady of it all.

The Bucs are going to win the Super Bowl.

It's unfortunate that, I mean, the Cowboys are going to win the Super Bowl. It's unfortunate they had to play against the Bucs but that's just the way she goes sometimes so I had to bet against them against the Bucs because I'm betting against them against every team they play because I think they're going to win the Super Bowl it was not personal between me and Tom I also have bet on the Bucs like 20 times this year and they've lost every single time so I wasn't I love Tom I'll forever love Tom do you think tom took it personal though no i i think he probably had to i don't think he did he's team hank till he dies and then you just spat in his face that's true i mean i didn't he doesn't follow me i got him i went out of my way to get him to follow you but he doesn't follow me so i don't think he saw no he was dming me last night after the game he's like what's up with hank how come What have they done to my boy? I watched the stream.
It felt like he wasn't cheering for me. Did I say something? Also, ESPN, as they did again, ESPN did him absolutely dirty when they showed that graphic.
I looked at Big Cat in real time. You did.
They showed the graphic. They talked about it for like five minutes, about how he hasn't thrown a postseason interception in like 400 pass attempts or something.

No, it wasn't even that.

Red zone interception.

Red zone interception since 2019.

Yeah, so that – and it wasn't like they just showed the graphic.

They showed the graphic and then talked about it for a solid five minutes.

I looked at Big Cat.

I was like, it's coming.

Yeah.

This is from Tom Brady.

This is from Tommy.

DM me last night right after the game.

Tommy.

Tommy said, what's up with your boy, Hank?

He mad sus for real.

FR.

Left hand up.

Thank you. This is from Tommy.
DMed me last night right after the game. Tommy.
Tommy said, what's up with your boy, Hank? He mad sus for real. FR.
Left hand up. I don't know what that last part meant, but I guess he's not happy with you, Hank.
Would you want Tom Brady on the Commanders? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, I'd want Tom Brady on the Commanders. Honestly, if Tom Brady, like I actually think he does have a couple years left because of his arm, and it's similar to the Peyton thing where Peyton, even with a bad arm, was seeing the game better than anyone else.
Or Drew Brees. Like, Drew Brees had no arm left at the end.
But you could tell that in terms of at least the regular season, he could beat a lot of teams just because he was smarter and seen it all. Tom Brady still has an arm.
It's just you need, like, the greatest offensive line. Like.
I think Tom Brady, wherever he goes, he needs to be like, not only put all your resources in the starting offensive line, but the backup offensive line. That's why I think that the Niners probably have a shot at him because they've got a great offensive line.
But that's the only situation where I think Brock Purdy would step back for one season. Where Brock Purdy would be like, yes, I will learn behind Tom Brady for a season.
What if Brock Purdy wins the Super Bowl? Then no Tom Brady. Then you have to go with Brock Purdy.
For life. Lifetime contract.
What if Brock Purdy goes to a Super Bowl? Jimmy G went to a Super Bowl. That's true.
And they went back to him after. Yeah, I would stay with Brock Purdy.
I mean, if you win a Super Bowl, you're elite. Yeah.
Listen, Hank, you have at least been proven right through one round. The Cowboys looked awesome.
Their defense looked awesome. Dak looked awesome.
Special teams, not so awesome. Brett Maher, maybe the luckiest guy in the world that that might have been Tom Brady's last game because that's really the story that everyone's talking about.
If you're going to pick a time to miss four straight extra points, which is so unbelievably crazy. It's really five straight because he missed his last one in the previous game.
So now he's missed five straight extra points. And ESPN didn't really show us the fifth.
They did. We don't know if he ever actually made one.
Yeah, so it was painful to watch. Like, Mike McCarthy sending him back out there to keep trying was very funny.
Now, it ended up kind of evening out because he was so bad at kicking extra points that eventually they just went for it on fourth down and they got a touchdown on that play right so it evened out score wise and you're right it was tom brady's last game they kicked the shit out of the bucks the extra points didn't really matter even though it was we were live watching someone develop the yips he went wide right wide wide left, and then he doinked. It was crazy.
I mean, it's also nuts to think when you look at the final score, the Cowboys scored 31 points, you wouldn't be like, oh, yeah, they scored five touchdowns. Yeah.
It was a weird score. It was a weird score for sure.
I honestly do think if you let me kick 100 field goals, extra point length, I don't think I would ever miss five in a row it it was so nuts I don't know I don't think you can bring someone in because yeah yeah Jerry Jones said he's sticking with him right because here's the problem that's okay so you have you're clearly worried about it it's going to clearly be a situation where you're coaching differently because you're like, this guy might have the yips. But if you bring in a new guy, you have no trust in him because he's a new guy.
And it's like, oh, hey, new guy, come make a huge field goal for a team you haven't played for all year that you literally have been sitting on your couch and it's a divisional round against the Niners. There's no way out.
The Cowboys will not feel any type of security in their kicking game for the rest of the playoffs. So Mara's been good from distance, right? He's a pretty good kicker in terms of that, but he currently has the yips.
Yeah. He needs to go to some sort of psychiatrist this week, electroshock therapy maybe, conversion therapy, whatever it is.
I don't know. He's got to change something.
change something i would not bring him back no you can't roll the dice on a kicker who is dealing currently like has a current infection of the yips and just count that on sunday he's going to go out there and everything's going to be perfect it's it's very very scary if you're a cowboys fan or you're hank lockwood who's probably the biggest cowboys fan in the world um I also want to just give a quick shout out to the internet. Brett Maher doesn't have any social media, but they found someone made a Brett Maher fan page, and there was like 10,000 comments on it.
I like that. On the last post that was like six months old.
I like that. People are just like, I got to go somewhere.
Let me find where I can go to just tell this guy that he's the worst. That's harmless.
Yeah. bad or you could just reply to the cowboys account there should be they're actually every player should just have like a bitch at this player account yeah like just a fan fall guy yeah right uh all right so hank the cowboys they looked sensational dac was incredible um you're feeling great i'm actually slightly nervous not because of how they played but because of mike mccarthy after the game did you see the big chain he put on in the locker room he did a little fat guy dance yeah he's got those are those are vibes like mike mccarthy doing that that those are the intangibles they don't put in the analytics sheet he's having fun with the team he's still got a watermelon i think that he hasn't smashed he's got some tricks that he can pull out.
Last night he pulled out a new one which was a brand new sweatshirt that I think he designed himself. I think he drew that picture of the cowboy riding.
It was a cowboy riding like a little horsey, right? Yeah. The cartoon.
It was the original. It was the first logo, but I've never seen it before and it looked funny on Mike McCarthy.
Good thing for him he wanted that. Can you imagine if he had a situation where he had a brain fart while wearing basically a Nick Jr.
cartoon on his chest? Yeah. Now, next weekend, he's going against Kyle Shanahan, and I feel like Kyle Shanahan is going to make his brain explode.
Yeah. Kyle Shanahan will make – Mike McCarthy is going to look at the field like he's staring at a magic eye poster.
Not know what's going on. Yeah, they're also just a hilarious combo of coaches.
Because when they stand next to each other, they're the perfect 10. Because Kyle Shanahan is just the one and Mike McCarthy's a zero.
I mean, their body shapes are very funny when you actually think about it. I thought you meant perfect 10 as in like, they're hot.
No, they make the number 10. Yeah, they do.
Perfectly. So yeah, I'm nervous about the Cowboys.
I don't – do you want a victory lap after – I mean, you were right about the Bucs-Cowboys game. I was very wrong, very stupid.
I own it. But do you want me to congratulate you on winning the Super Bowl and winning your future? No, listen.
I mean, you guys haven't really experienced Super Bowl runs the way I have, but winning the wild card game is nothing. The Patriots usually don't even play in the wild card game.
Divisional game isn't really much either. It doesn't matter until championship Sunday.
Okay, because people were asking for me to apologize to you. I was like, well, he hasn't.
No, I mean, that's just people being soft online. I am curious, though.
Do you remember the last thing you said to me when we left in person, when we left the gambling cave, and now that you've slept on it, if you feel the same way? Did I say, I hopeats break no you texted that but in person you said oh and on that text chain was also the picture of you standing next to jerry jones when he was uh in like 1950 yeah you and pft were uh conjuring up some propaganda which was you know i hope that picture never goes out but the last thing you said to me in person was if it goes goes to minus four, I'm going to game of the year it.

I've thought about it.

I've slept on it. That was emotional.
It was an emotional moment. It was very emotional.
And I also realized that the last. You were very emotional.
I was very emotional last night. I was so mad at myself because it really is like, you know, I'm a loser.
I don't win gambling. Everyone knows that.
No one should ever listen to my advice. but it really extra hurts when you were

at one point you had it exactly right and then you flipped on yourself. Flipping on yourself is like a double loss.
Because if I had just been all season been like, watch out for the bucks, watch out for the bucks, it would have been like, all right, I was way wrong. But the fact that there was a good stretch this season that I was dead right, and then for some reason, like, I got a brain virus in the last week, and I completely fumbled this game every which way, it hurts extra.
The fact that it was Tom Brady going up against one of the only teams that he's never lost to, that fucked everything up. The last team he—oh, no, I guess the Patriots.
And the Falcons. No, he lost week 18.
Oh, that's right. Yeah, so really the last team.

He beat the Patriots, though.

I think.

No, he hasn't lost to the Patriots.

Oh, right, right.

Yeah, so there are two teams, the Cowboys and the Patriots,

that Tom Brady's never lost to.

And the fact that it was against the Cowboys,

when everything else was pointing in the directions of stay away from the Bucs,

they stink, you still had that nugget in the back of your head,

which was, yeah, but this history, there must be something there. It turns out history is for cowards and losers.
And Tom Brady made us into both last night, which is fine. I still think he's got a lot of football left in his body.
Is he going to play to 50? Probably not in Tampa. Yeah.
I think Brock Purdy is going to get exposed. I'm not a ball knower.
I'll probably get more into the X's and O's on Thursday, but just make him throw deep. I mean, oh.
Win the game. Okay, yeah, yeah.
I mean, we're talking. All right.
I was asking about Tom Brady, though. He's going to play, yeah.
Well, so that's what I'm saying. Brock Purdy's going to get exposed this weekend, throw five picks.
Ah. Brady's going to come to the 49ers.
I mean, obviously, the 49ers would have to be his first pick just because the team is great. The Raiders feels like too easy because they just got rid of Derek Carr.
They have some talent. It feels like Josh McDaniels and also your divorce, Las Vegas, probably pretty fun.
Yeah, and Mark Davis would definitely put Tom Brady has to hang out with me once a month in the contract. I mean, this is actually brilliant if you're Mark Davis

because what you can do is you give Tom a little bit of that equity stake

that he wants.

Oh, yeah.

And then when your mom dies and you get the team inherited,

then Tom Brady's on the hook for some of that inheritance tax.

Oh.

So it lightens his load on the flip side.

That's smart.

Just think about it.

Dolphins also in the picture.

I would love to see Hank's face when Tom Brady goes to the Dolphins.

And you would need to apologize to me and my dad.

You would.

For now, Smart. Just think about it.
Dolphins also in the picture. I would love to see Hank's face when Tom Brady goes to the Dolphins.
And you would need to apologize to me and my dad. You would.
For the fan fiction that we've been writing together. You would.
The apologies would be in order. Yeah.
But if he doesn't, I would like an apology. Okay.
I'll bet you one apology. Deal.
One. And I owe you one.
And if the Cowboys win the Super Bowl, I owe you an apology and a cat. Okay, great.
And PFD has to get two. I've been thinking about two cats.
That's a lifestyle at that point. No, no.
I become a lesbian aunt. Yeah.
You should go three. Yeah.
You should just get three cats. Yeah, just become a crazy old cat lady.
Yeah, because you're going to need the posts that they can scratch scratch on. And I'm going to have to name one like I like the little wall surfaces

that they climb on.

Here's Mr. Whiskers.

Yeah.

He's feisty.

And Cheeto.

Here's Cheeto.

She's curious.

It's a tabby cat named Cheeto.

I'm going to start wearing shirts

with cats on them.

Cat cartoons.

Well, Hank gets to name one of the three.

I'll get a Honda Odyssey.

Snyder.

Fuck you.

It's either Snyder or you go Rogers.

Or Dak. I mean, Dak would be a fine cat name.
Dak the cat? I like Dak Prescat. Yeah, that works.
What are you going to say, Billy? If you have cats inside of an apartment, they're literally going to start attacking you because they have no prey simulation. Okay, that's just not true.
Descatted. Descatted would be a good name.
Who knows? There are so many people. There are millions of people who own cats In apartments And they don't do anything but be cats But they do, if they're not stimulated enough They will just start going after you Okay, but also they would be outdoor cats Yeah And I'd hope that they'd run away In New York City? Moving to Chicago, ever heard of it? Oh, word So he can can just hang out in the backyard.
Be an alley cat. Yeah, get some rats.
Yeah. Find those rats.
Turn them into Scouty. Scouty.
Shout out Scouty. Legend.
Absolute legend. Tony Scheffler's cat, Scouty.
Do we have anything, Hank, since you are very clearly still a Tom Brady defender and you haven't given up on Tom despite the fact that you just buried him last week do you have a comment on his slide tackle that he made just trying to make a play coach yeah studs up straight red you probably learned that from Mac Jones actually so so Hank you were it looked like a Mac it did yeah absolutely Tom Brady did it first AFC championship game against the Ravens oh so he's been doing it uh Hank you so you were saying Brock Purdy. You're very hung up on Brock Purdy being a rookie.
I am. Also, the last pick of the draft, rookie.
Talent evaluators couldn't have been that wrong. I mean, they were wrong about Tom Brady.
Yeah, Tom Brady. You didn't think about that one, did you? That was the easy counterpoint.
Yeah, I mean, he's – well, I guess we'll see. Well, no, it turns out Hank was right about Tom Brady.
The scouts were all right about him. It just took 13 years.
Yeah, not very mobile. Yeah.
I just think that, you know, you eliminate yards after the catch, make him beat you deep. I'm not a math guy, but I just realized it's 23 years.
Tom Brady's been good for 23 years. Yes.
And then he just now started to stink in one week. I'm not done with Tom Brady yet.
Yeah, no, he's still, if you listed all 32 quarterbacks like next August, Tom Brady still has to be top 15. Has to, right? I think he's right above Kirk Cousins.
Yeah.

I think that's fair.

Although he is getting

to the point where

the checkdowns are

becoming a part of his game

because he doesn't want

to get sacked.

Yeah.

So when I say that

their offense is depressing,

they had one play

that would get

four or five yards,

which was a checkdown

to like,

was it Godwin?

No, Rashad White

was the only player

who actually made plays.

Out of the slot?

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

So he'd like...

Running and running the ball, yeah.

He'd like run four yards

downfield and Tom Brady

would hit him with a pass

and then he'd fall forward

Thank you. No, Rashad White was the only player who actually made plays.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So he'd like. Running and running the ball, yeah.
He'd like run four yards downfield and Tom Brady would hit him with a pass and then he'd fall forward for a five-yard gain. Right.
And that was really all they could do. It was Rashad White and Godwin and then like two tantalizing deep balls to Mike Evans that didn't work.
Yep. And that was their offense all year.
Their defense stunk too. And Byron Lefkowitz, that, I mean, he went from literally getting a head coaching job to being fired i thought bulls is an idiot as well that that punt that he had where it was what was it like 12 nothing i think and it was fourth and two at the 50 yard line like dude you have you have to go for those in the playoffs because then the cowboys just went and scored they got punt and they scored.
This is a little bit off topic here, but I figure we can transition a little bit. Aaron Rodgers is in the news today.
Big Cat, I don't know if you saw this wild stat. Jake, you might have seen this.
It might have come across your desk. In Brett Favre's final six passes as a Packer.
I've jerked off to this. Okay, Brett Favre's final six passes as a Packer.
He went two for six for 12 yards, concluding in a game-sealing season-ending INT at Lambeau Field. In Aaron Rodgers' final six passes this year, he went two for six for 12 yards, concluding in a game-sealing season-ending interception at Lambeau Field.
As fate would have it, in Brett Favre's final game as a Green Bay Packer, the wind was blowing 12 miles per hour at Lambeau Field. In Aaron Rodgers' final game this season, the wind was blowing four miles per hour at Lambeau Field.
It's like one of those Lincoln-Kennedy things where four miles per hour for Favre, 12 for Rodgers, and Mason Crosby was the Packers' kicker for both those games. Damn.
Wild. Yeah, I mean.
Who would you rather have, Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady next year? Aaron Rodgers. Brady.
I think Aaron Rodgers because he feels like he has at least an ability to get hit. It's just really.
That's all it comes down to. If you can figure out a way for Tom Brady to just never get hit, he would be like a top five quarterback.
He just doesn't want to. I don't blame him.
Imagine, like you said, 23 years getting hit. It sucks.
At some point, you're like, that's the only part that would annoy me a little if you're trying to bring him in or if you're a Bucs fan. It's like he wants to play on his terms, which is not getting hit, and that's unfortunately part of football.
But everything else you know it's worth the shot if you have a good line i would rather take tom brady because aaron rogers in the offseason he likes to do his ayahuasca shaman trips and all that stuff which is fine good for him and he gets a lot of perspective that's great but if you're an nfl football player especially an older one you don't want perspective right Right. You want Tom Brady's complete and utter lack of any sort of perspective whatsoever is what's made him a great quarterback.
He walked away from his entire family to come back and lose in a wild card game. He has no perspective.
That's the guy that I want. Yeah, it is kind of crazy how perfect his ending would have been if he had retired after the Rams game last year.
Because think about it. He had just won his seventh Super Bowl the year before.
The Rams game was a wild game. Like, oh, Tom Brady's got one last one in him, and it was a defensive breakdown that they ended up losing on on that Cooper Cup pass.
And he could have walked away and been like, he still was doing magic to his last possible game. Instead, he's going to be just chasing it.
I feel like it's one of those things where when you have a perfect night out with your friends or a bachelor weekend or something like that, and you're just trying to chase that feeling like, let's all get back together again and do the same thing. It's like, well, it's not really the same.
Not ever going to're gonna be the same right exactly like he he had that he had the that game I don't think that game deserves like it deserves more credit for how crazy it was how that crazy that comeback was and however it was like he's doing it again and then to have it not be him that had it fall short it would have been the perfect way out the last thing are about the Rogers thing I I said this last year when they lost but it is and this is kind of the deal that you get if you're a packers fan because you have back-to-back hall of fame quarterbacks you have hall of fame quarterback play for 35 years or whatever it's been two super bowls but rogers and farve are very similar in their last years where it's holding the team hostage like retiring on retire unretiring. I don't know if I'm going to retire and playing hero ball where it's like not really trusting what made you great and trying to, you know, throw into your trusted guy and making mistakes.
It's like, I guess you would obviously take the two Hall of Fame quarterbacks back to back. Right.
But it is funny how history is kind of repeating itself in a slightly different way. But Rogers is doing a lot of the things that farve did it sounds like he's going to be a little bit quicker with his decision this offseason though and now and he's got the he's got the contract too at the end of the day he's due what 50 million dollars next year 8 million it's it's going to be very tough to i know that he's the kind of guy that he's like one bumble match with a random girl away from moving to the woods like henry thoreau and just like studying astrology for the rest of his life and not caring about football but i still think 50 million dollars is 50 million it's a lot of money and you're probably going to want that 50 million dollars to just show up yes i also just realized that when i said all that about rogers and farve being the same at the end of their career, that just means Jordan Love's going to be a Hall of Famer, too.

That's a possibility. Because Jordan Love is going to be like, well, the same thing that happened to you, Aaron, happened to me.

You did to me what Favre did to you.

It's a possibility.

And that just bummed me out.

All right, so, Hank, congrats.

I mean, what a pick.

Super Bowl, Cowboys, what a pick.

Not cashing out.

But what a pick.

Thank you.

I mean, great pick. It cost you your entire integrity.
And honor as a pick. Not cashing out.
But what a pick. Thank you.
I mean, great pick. It cost you your entire integrity.
And honor. As a person.
As a man. It cost you turning on the one thing that you've held dear your entire life.
See, that's the thing. I was going to turn your back on Taco Bell now, too.
I thought the Cowboys were going to win the championship before the regular season ended. You thought they were going to get the one seed.
Yeah, and they almost did. If the Giants beat the Eagles, they'll basically have it.
Almost didn't. If the Giants beat the Eagles and the Cowboys beat the Niners, we have the one seed.
No, no, no. The Cowboys would have had to beat the Commanders and the Niners would have had to lost the Cardinals.
I'm talking, you're focused on the past. I'm looking at the future.
Wait, wait, wait. Three results would have had to gone different.
Hank's saying that if the Cowboys beat the Niners this weekend, then they inherit the one seed if the eagles beat the giants if the giants beat the eagles oh yeah yeah oh okay got it oh got it so then you are you claiming correct take on that if that happens he was just early on it yeah they are the one seed you were just is that three weeks early yeah it is yeah it is because they had to play two they had to play two games on the road. Just my thoughts.
They would end up being the higher seed over the Giants, but they wouldn't be the one seed. They'd be the one seed of teams left? Remaining, yes.
The one remaining seed. I can't believe it.
I mean, I have to tip my cap to that thinking. Just something I was thinking about.
That's some great thinking outside the box. But,'m i the divisional round is my favorite weekend of like the football year it's going to be so awesome these games every single game has like i'm so pumped for eagles giant is going to be a blowout for who the eagles don't know oh so then max you you really haven't thought about how to respond to it in case I went this direction? Max, just thank him or congratulate him on his Cowboys future.
He catched it. It's done.
You did it. That was like 14 to 1 before the playoffs.
What a fucking bet. He said that, not me.
I was like, you worry about the Giants. He's like, I don't even have to.
I can't even get up for the Giants. Oh, I can get up for the Giants.
Because it's dawned on me how much I have at stake in terms of this future, and now I'm starting to get nervous. Max, you're not? I don't like this.
No, I mean, it's a playoff game. You're going to be nervous no matter what.
True. I don't like this.
If Jalen Hurts is healthy. What have been the reports? Wait, what's this if word that you're throwing around now? The if word was not around two weeks ago.
And I just want to pause. That was before we saw him in week 18.
Timeout. What Hank just did is a dirty fucking move, but keep going.
What did he just do? He just deflected everything on me. Wait, I don't know how this became about me either.
It was a beautiful move. Hank just had maybe his most genius three minutes of his life.
He has the Cowboys getting the one seed and then just passed it off. It was like, Max? Yeah, I have a ball game to win this.
Is Jalen Hurts injured still? I don't know. I don't know if he's injured.
Go down to practice and find out. I should.
I'm giving you permission. Take as many days as you need to just go watch him practice.
He's definitely not 100% right now. I don't need him to be 100%.
I don't need him to be 100%. What do you need to be? If I can get 80% from Jalen Hurts.
Isn't that just Gardner Minshew? No. Just kidding.
If I can get 80% of Jalen Hurts, then I feel great. The Eagles are better than the Giants in every facet of football if Jalen Hurts is healthy.
But what about Danny Dimes? And what about how they always run the table when they get in the playoffs? If Jalen Hurts is healthy, the Eagles... I stand by what I just said.
What about head coaching? Head coaching is another. Dable's a good coach.
He is. I'm worried.
Whatever. We're not talking about the Eagles right now.
Let's go on to the other part of the show. Max, what do you think about the Cowboys? I'm not worried about the Cowboys right now.
It's one game at a time. I'm one game at a time.
I've got to beat the Giants this week. So, Max, I actually need you to win this game this weekend because if you lose and Hank's right and the Cowboys beat the Niners, I can't have Dallas hosting that playoff game.
I can't have Dallas getting the one seed. You're defending the one seed this weekend, Max.
Yeah, you are. You need to get the one seed.
Good. Every week you need to retain this one seed.
What were you going to say, Billy? I was just going to say the sprained shoulder on Jalen Hurts. I always knew it was going to be more of a problem.
You did. You actually had that first, and I made.
Shut up. Like, everyone was clowning me, but I was like, it's a blanket term.
It's like something else is going on. You did actually.
Credit to you. Just saying.
I'm also just pissed, and we're going to do Hot Seat Cool Tour in a second, that the way the schedule worked out, that Hank was able to just, like, not talk for the Vikings portion of Sunday night's podcast and then get his victory lap today. But that's fine because we didn't need to do a victory lap for the Vikings because we were so right.
You're skirted right by that. I've been thinking just nonstop about how right I was about the Vikings.
I don't want to put salt in an open

wound, but I did see a stat that was just mind-blowing. The Vikings, and this is more like I feel bad for the Vikings, but they have been to the playoffs.
How many times do you think they've been to the playoffs since they last went to the Super Bowl, which is 1976? The Vikings have been to the playoffs.

So that's what?

40,

no,

50,

50 years.

They've been 20 times,

25 times. 1976.
The Vikings have been to the playoffs. So that's what? 40?

No, 50 years.

50 years.

They've been 20 times.

25 times.

That's so many times going to the playoffs.

I mean, they should have won Super Bowls in there.

They had teams that were the best teams.

Yes.

The 98 team.

Remember the Dante Culpepper year?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Randy Moss's rookie year, I want to say,

with the kick that they lost to the Falcons

in the conference championship. Morton Anderson.
Yeah. My guru all right anything else about monday football hank you were right so are you congrats so are you congrats to that you were it hurts we don't need to be told that we know that we were right about kirk cousins it hurts so much to be like to to to go back on your own think correct thinking it's really the worst you can have as a gambler.

It just sucks.

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Hot seat, cool throne. Hank.
My hot seat, I have a couple. Good.
Okay, great. My first one is...
I'm excited to listen to this. Kyler Murray.
Oh, okay. The new GM, new Cardinals GM, did a press conference where he very emphatically

said, ego will not be tolerated.

Okay.

So kind of a little subliminal, not so subliminal shot at him.

I feel like that relationship is going to get dicey over the next couple of years.

It seems to me like Kyler Murray has the upper hand in that situation because he literally

has a contract that's, a lot of it's guaranteed, so they can't really do anything about it.

It's true.

True.

My other hot seat related to Kyler Murray is Call of Duty.

Warzone 2 came out a couple months ago.

It's not really good.

No one likes playing it.

They've lost like half their player base.

And today in multiplayer, the greatest multiplayer Call of Duty player of all time,

the Tom Brady, Michael Jordan of Call of Duty, Skump, retired. Skump? In midseason.
He's your GOAT? That's how bad it is. He walked away mid-season.
He's the GOAT. I don't know if you can call him the GOAT if he walks away.
In his prime. The game's just in shambles.
It's a bad spot. You've got to love the game.
You know who wouldn't walk away? Tim the Tatman. Well, he doesn't play competitive, but he's my GOAT.
He's not if he wanted to. I I don't think so.
He's my goat. Big Cowboys fan, too, right? He is a big Cowboys fan.
Yeah, and he never jinxes the team. Shout out to Tim.
Shout out to Scum. Are you going to buy some Cowboys gear? Yeah.
You got to get the Cowboys starter pack. You know the one that always goes viral? You got to shave the mustache into like a real thin chin strap.
You got to get the big jean shorts that are faded in the front. You got to get the like 2001 Jordans.
Put those on. Maybe a single earring, diamond earring.
Yeah. Left ear.
Yeah, that's right. And wear like a big ass white baggy t-shirt.
Yeah. And maybe a Cowboys starter jacket.
I'll come dressed to the tens on Sunday night. Are Cowboys fans reaching out to you? They're like, hey, happy to have you on? Hilarious.
I've gotten a few tweets and DMs and stuff, and a couple of them, multiple of them, have been their profile picture Yankees-Cowboys logo. Love it.
And I love it. Love it.
I'm like, yes. Wait, wait, wait.
He's got Duke. I was going to say, he's Duke, Cowboys, Celtics.
Yeah. And Tom Brady.
Yeah. True bonds.
You disgust me, Hank. Henry, you freak.
It is. It is truly disgusting behavior out of you.
I just see what I see. What can I say you know i mean you're a great gambler thank you hungry dog you've turned into skip bayless in front of our eyes uh okay what are you gonna do a hungry dog this weekend yeah i think so two of them cowboys and giants no i don't know about that one uh i will have a hungry dog i just don't know if i can i like the jaguars a lot it's never lost on saturday i don't know if you I don't know if I can.
I like the Jaguars a lot.

Yeah.

It's never lost on Saturday.

I don't know if you guys know that.

It does feel like a game. How are you going to bet on a person

that's never lost on Saturday?

On a full day of the week.

And it's not like he hasn't played.

He played the vast majority

of his games on Saturday.

He played college football.

Yeah.

He should just do this.

Never lost on Saturday.

That's insane.

I feel like the Chiefs

are going to win that game,

but I do think the Jaguars,

like the Chiefs don't cover big spreads.

They just don't.

Thank you. I feel like Chiefs are going to win that game, but I do think the Jaguars, like the Chiefs don't cover big spreads.
They just don't. Jags team of destiny.
My cool throne is Tommy Fury and Jake Paul. Yeah.
They're slated to fight again. Probably won't happen, but they're on the cool throne because people will talk about it until it doesn't happen.
He's just trying to get the heat off him for ditching his pig, right? That's his brother. His brother.
Okay, got it. His brother's in all types of shit.
So, yeah, there's like a crypto thing going on, right? Crypto Zoo. He got CoffeeZilla.
I mean, this is some deep internet shit, but a guy who does investigative reports on internet celebrities that basically commit fraud did a whole report on Logan Paul's NFT's nft uh crypto zoo being fraudulent god these are words that i i wish to god i had never understood what they meant in the midst of that it came out that logan paul's pet pig that he once bought was like left on the side of the road oh no for dead we actually it wasn't really logan's fault i blogged it logan gave it to a farm that was taking care of it. That farm then closed, changed hands, and that second person then left the pig to die.
Now, did someone see it and was like, that's Logan Paul's pig? Someone made a TikTok being like, oh, look at this really sad pig I found on the side of the road. And then the internet was like, wait a second.
And they found the old tweets from Logan Paul being like, look at my new pet pig from like three years ago. And I was like this.
The markings were the same. It didn't look good.
Remember when Lena Dunham did that with her dog? Such a scumbag. She did it like six times.
Yeah, and she kept returning dogs. Yeah, she's totally like my dog anymore.
Logan Paul obviously does stuff with the Barstool Sportsbook, and I respected this when he was getting a shit ton of heat for the Crypto Zoo thing He just tweeted like love Donovan Mitchell over points tonight. No, I got like it got like 2 million impressions like the night he scored 71.
That would be incredible. No, it was great though.
That was like it's like what's Logan Paul's next week going to be but they're never going to fight right? Yeah, like Logan and Tommy Fury. No, Jake and Tommy.
I'm so first time Tommy had like he cracked his rib second time, Tommy apparently was saying that the U.S. government wouldn't give him a work visa because his...
Tommy Fury doesn't want to fight. Well, now...
He does not want to fight because he is technically a professional boxer and he's not good at boxing. I watched him fight.
He fought Jake Paul's sparring partner who was like a foot shorter than him and struggled with him when I went to that fight in Cleveland. He doesn't want to fight because I think Jake Paul would win and then you can't be a professional boxer if Jake Paul beats you.
Right. Like that's it.
Your career's over. I saw someone like tweeted out that he's like 11-0 or something and the combined record for all of the people he's fought is like 25-180.
I'm looking up his opponents as we speak right now. Tomato cans.
This is bad because not a single one of his opponents has a Wikipedia page. Yeah.
Yeah. But there's some guys that are like 0-24.
Yes. He's a sparring partner.
Yeah. Yeah.
All right, PFT, your hot seat, cool, Toronto. So my hot seat is Patrick Ewing.
Patrick Ewing, great basketball player, all-time great center,

pretty good center's coach too, pretty good assistant coach.

He's taken on the reins of the Georgetown Hoyas for the last several years.

Jake, can you remind me,

when was the last time Patrick Ewing won a divisional game

or a conference game, excuse me?

So they won the 2021 Big East tournament. They have not since they almost beat nova yesterday they did but that that would be uh two full years almost yeah without a win approaching two full calendar years since that miraculous big east tournament i heard i heard jay williams well so that's that's the other part of my cool or my hot seat was that um patrick ewing you'd think he would get a pretty long leash as the coach of Georgetown Hoyes.

He's a legend on campus.

But a huge name has thrown their hat into the ring,

and that's our good friend Jay Williams who tweeted out last week,

so people keep asking me so I will answer.

Georgetown basketball has always been a dream job.

Jay Williams, for all the people that are asking Jay Williams, he's confirming it would be a dream job. Yeah, a lot of people ask him.
He's coached never? Never. In basketball? His qualifications are he's on ESPN and has a Twitter account that got hacked one time.
Remember that when he accused, or he said, congratulations to the Celtics on hiring Imei Adoka, the first black coach in the history of the Celtics. This would be the first black coach in the history of Georgetown basketball if they hired Jay Williams.
So it would be a very powerful moment. I was going to say, how many, like if you scrolled Twitter, if he got hired, how many times would that be tweeted? A lot.
Like 10 million? That was my very first reaction. I was like, how many times has somebody brought this up in the replies? Yeah, a lot.
But it's a fair point. I was trying to look for a picture of Trevor Lawrence, like a screen grab of when he threw four picks.
And then after the game for a coffee meme, and I was just searching Twitter. I didn't realize how much the Vince Carter picture it gets used.
It was like I've never seen so many. I got one more in me.
It's the most used joke online that doesn't get any credit. So shout out to everyone who's got one more in him.
Yeah. But Jay Williams for Georgetown University.
It'd be funny just to watch how bad he would be. Hey, listen.
He got his name talking. People are talking now.
People are asking, will he be the next coach? It is a dream job. Yeah.
All right, your cool throne? My cool throne is the NFC Beast. NFC Beast, three out of four teams in the NFC are claimed by NFC Beast teams.
We got the Cowboys, Giants, Eagles, the division's back. We got the updated T-shirt right now in the Barstool store with Major Tutty on it for the first time ever.

So we updated the logo.

Shout out Triggs, who is a wizard.

My other cool throne is Arch Manning.

Arch Manning on campus at UT.

He already lost his student ID.

Respect to Arch.

I think that's a sign of a guy that likes to party,

is a guy that leaves his cards behind.

Can't keep track of him.

I think this is good things for Arch Manning's leadership. Yeah, He did it twice.
Twice. Yeah.
Even better. He was on my hot seat once.
Okay, cool. Twice within a week.
We might have some fumbling issues. Yeah.
No, I like it. I like it.
I think this means that he's got friends. He's going out having a good time.
This is good for Arch Manning. Also maybe he's just dropping them on purpose.
Because you know that... Do you think Ravel has bid on those yet? Oh, yeah.
The person who's like, look what I just found. Ravel just immediately slides in the stadium.
Name your price. How much for Archman and student ID? How many Rosa Parks rookie cards you want for this? I'll trade you.
Wait, does the swipe still work to get into the dorms? Yeah. Can I eat some chicken fingers? All right, my hot seat is football, the actual football.
And actually, maybe all of us for maybe not knowing ball, we passed over this on Sunday night because we were going long. But the fact that it was just casually mentioned, there's a chip in the football, and they can actually see if it goes over the goal line.
Like, what the – So I don't know if you guys saw it, but next-gen stats, after Tyler Huntley reached out for the touchdown, they tweeted, How close was Tyler Huntley to crossing the plane with the football? According to the chip in the football, the closest the ball got to the end zone was .6 yards from the goal line. What the fuck are we doing? We've been asking for the chip forever.
Yeah, it's been in there. They've been using it to judge when punts go out of bounds.

It's crazy.

The chip is there.

Yeah, it's not perfect, though, because it can tell you if the football,

I guess because it's in the middle of the football, right?

So it's not always perfectly going to be able to tell you

when it's crossed the line because it might be the side of the football

that the chip's not in.

Why don't they just wrap the football in the chip? In all chips. Make the football out of chips.
Yeah, make the plate out of the black box. Yeah, I like it.
Yeah. And then my cool throne is Brian Schottenstein, who you probably don't know that name.
No one should know that name. He's the head of the Ohio State NIL Collective, you know, in charge of basically getting the Ohio State players

paid to play football at Ohio State.

He's having a baby.

So congrats to him.

Congrats.

Yeah.

Also, he tweeted on Monday morning when CJ Stroud was scheduled to make his announcement,

got some big news today.

And everyone at Ohio State flipped out, was like, holy shit.

They found a way to pay

uh CJ Stroud like 25 million from the NIL collective uh this is going to be an incredible day and then followed it up with I'm having a baby so what a dickhead was the internet nice to him no he had to lock his lock his twitter and uh shut off the comments but yeah that was what a moment he did tweet in between

no chance CJ is

he tweeted an hour and a half after. No chance CJ is staying.
He's the top quarterback in the NFL draft. But still, the head of the NIL collective on the day that CJ Stroud was set to announce it said, got some big news today.
I'm curious to know why he waited till later in the day to announce that. Because you would think that when he said, got some big news to announce later today, at that point he knew that his wife was pregnant.
Right. So he probably could have just dropped the news then.
It was, you'd imagine college football fans didn't really take kindly to that type of tweet and getting everyone in an absolute tizzy. Yep.
It was, yeah, very funny. A a lot of people were very very upset uh billy my hot seat is lebron so lebron was playing the rockets last night and jabari smith jr came up to him and said hey lebron you played against my dad in your first game ever and now i'm playing you whoa so it's's wild.
That's crazy. Crazy wild old.
That's wild. And my cool throne is Ryan Jensen.
He showed up with a SpongeBob shirt. Do you remember LeBron's first game, by the way? Yeah.
I remember watching it. It's the Kings.
Yeah. I was in college.
And it was a must-see TV event. So everybody watched it.
But the craziest part about LeBron's first game is they had commercials for like two weeks leading up to his first game and in the game it was lebron james wearing a cavaliers jersey or excuse me in the commercial it was lebron wearing a cavaliers jersey playing against guys that were on the kings and he was bringing the ball up the court it's like how did they get this footage yeah it was a real mind fuck at the time nba rigged it was rigged it's all been scripted we'll get to it with rusilla with Priscilla. Yeah.
Sorry to interrupt, Billy. I just remembered that commercial and it just hit me.
And I was like. Wait, wait.
How did they do that commercial? Because it's rigged. Yeah.
The game's played on a soundstage. It's just like the moon landing.
It's rigged. And my cool.
Yeah. Ryan Jensen.
He tore his ACL, MCL and tons of other stuff. And he played on it.
And he wore a SpongeBob shirt to the game. Which it's a classic.
my leg. It's a guy who always yells.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it was crazy he came back that fast, but he probably also was like, why did he come back for that? Yeah. Also, I didn't know that you could just come back from an ACL and an MCL without surgery.
Yeah. Well, Phil Rivers played on it.
Yeah. I knew you could play on it right after it happened.
RG3? He came back from an MCL after it was sprained, yeah. But it sounded like he tore his ACL and his MCL, and he just waited for four months and came back.
By the way, I agree with RG3 about his Lamar take. We don't always agree with RG3, specifically when it comes to sprinting off the set for a fake baby, a real baby

that wasn't coming yet.

But I do think that he's right when it comes to Lamar not playing in the playoffs if he

still has a knee injury, because RG3 would know.

Yeah.

It ruined his entire career.

It ruined my life for about seven years, the fact that he came back and tried to do

it for his team.

So the fact that RG3 spoke from a place of experience, I agree with. Mike Vick was like, just got to go out there.
It's a playoff. And everybody was like, what the fuck, Mike? Yeah, dude, no.
You got paid already. Lamar hasn't gotten paid yet.
Right, right. And your cool throne? Oh, no, that was your cool throne.
Then one more. Jim Harbaugh is just showing up to high schools, recruiting kids, and then just using their weight room for like an hour to work out.
Love it. Just awesome.
He's staying at michigan so we'll just do the same thing see you next year for the exact same conversation i love that that harbaugh this year put in the very bare minimum amount of effort required to get a raise from michigan yeah he did a zoom interview yeah with the broncos he didn't even go to the most awkward zoom interview yes yeah he just joins on zoom and then he closes out he's like okay can i get that I get that raise now? Yeah. Cool.
Yeah. All right.
Jake. My hot seat is playing basketball against third graders.
There's this viral video going around. I saw it.
Yeah. Of these little kids just looking like they're having a great time dancing.
This kid's doing the too small thing. I don't like that.
Yeah. Leo.
I took it a different way. I was like, this kind of sucks.
Just because they were like, they were legit

showboating and doing the

gritty and flex in

eight-year-old basketball.

I don't know. Some of these kids

are absolutely nasty from beyond the arc, too.

It's crazy to see. He's doing the bow and

arrow. In my day, nobody

shot the ball from that far out. Yeah, just

get back on defense. Look at this kid.

He's still got his hand up in the air. I don't want to be the old guy here, but just fucking get back on defense.
You make Yeah, just get back on defense. Look at this kid.
He's still got his hand up in the air. I don't want to be

the old guy here, but just fucking get back

on defense. You make the shot, get back on defense.

And follow your

shot. Yeah.

Pretty soon it's just going to be a celebration league.

I mean, are we surprised? No.

No. It's getting exponential.

Yeah. Thanks, Biden.
No.

Speaking of Biden, my cool throne is the Warriors.

They visited the White House today. Oh, okay.
Cool. So of Biden, my cool throne is the Warriors.
They visited the White House today.

Oh, okay.

Cool.

So congrats to them.

The social justice warriors?

The Golden State Warriors that defend the NBA champions.

Rex Chapman was there.

He was?

Why?

I'm rooting for Rex to come back in March Madness.

It was so bad last year.

So bad.

I need to see him back.

Yeah.

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It's time for the NBA preview. It is Ryan Russ rusillo go check him out the ryan rusillo podcast uh ryan great to talk to you it is january 16th we are ready for our nba preview and i wanted to start with asking are you more worried about the bengals offensive line injuries or the' proclivity to just throw the football around and fumble and throw interceptions? Well, if I'm Burrow, I ask to get traded to the Bills if this team can't do it.
Super team? Super team. Two quarterbacks? Could Joe and Josh exist on the same roster? Who takes the last throw?

Yeah.

Who's Batman?

Who's Robin?

Do you think any of the guys on Bills are going to do load management in this game?

Get ready for the AFC Championship game?

Your little league that you got there?

Look, I hate it as much as anybody.

So don't even get...

Like, I gave my dad tickets to the Pelicans game, and he's like, Zion's not playing?

He's like, I'm so sick of this load management. I was like, Dad, he got hurt.
He actually got hurt. Yeah, Zion's the one guy you can be like, no, he actually is always hurt.
And you haven't paid for tickets in 10 years. Yeah, so, all right, so NBA, let's hop in.
I guess I'll have a big-picture question. Are there any moments when you're watching the games on your couch in, like, early January, and like, what am I doing? This means nothing.
Once we get to the playoffs, there's like three or four good teams, and they'll just be in the finals, and why do we even pretend? I remember when Pierce Morgan came to the States, and he had his late-night show, and the advertisement was, he made Gordon Ramsay cry. And it used to piss me off because I'm a huge Gordon Ramsay guy.
If you watch the BBC kitchen stuff he did, he was a little different deal. He seems to be more aggressive.
We seem to like him more aggressive. And I think Pierce has been a loser ever since the Markle thing happened.
Like, hey, man, I get it. But you got to move on.
I feel like that's what you're trying to do to me right now is make me cry. Because the number of days where I go, you just did this again today, man.
You just did another six, seven-hour stretch here, taped a couple of fourth quarters you couldn't double up on, and then you took the notes. And you're not going to look at any of the notes.
They're all irrelevant I you know look all I've ever said to anybody is you never stop learning about the game you never stop learning about the league and the players and all this kind of stuff and I don't know I still like I still like learning stuff but the the way the regular seasons have kind of overlapped and it feels like you know we're in the first normal one in multiple years there's there's just a lot going on where if it's the wrong night you'll go what the fuck did i just watch but i'll admit too there's some late sunday windows in the nfl where i go i would have survived on monday had i not watched this oh yeah yeah right yeah right those are for those should happen and i should i'm gonna defend ryan here obviously it's partly in jest i always respect the fact there's a lot of people who do media, and they don't watch any of the games, and they just get in front of the camera and just spew stuff. You actually watch the games.
Maybe too many games. If there's any fault, Ryan's like, hey, I'm going to watch every Kings game.
They're pretty good this year. He's becoming part of the Matrix.
You watch so much basketball that you're unable to speak to the commenter about the game. What is it? Fire up the beam? What's the Kings say? Light the beam.
Yeah, we're lighting the beam this year. I like it.
That's the number four seed. That's your four seed Sacramento Kings.
Just so you know. Real ball talk.
Matthew Delvedova, comeback player of the year. Well, I feel like the comeback part needs to be a little bit more complete.
You just said the Kings are four seed that sounds pretty good to me yeah i don't know that he's the main guy go on i almost ran into jason kitt well i did run into him and i saw him eating breakfast and he's by himself and i was like shout out respect solo eating and then i almost was like hey i'm uh i'm ryan we have a couple mutual friends but crank called you? And I go, you know what? Don't tell him that. Don't say hi to him.
Don't say that. Yeah.
That was an all-time moment on your old show. But yeah, he'd probably be like, what are you talking about? All right, so you're four seed kings.
Let's talk about the West. The West is a mess.
No one's good except the Nuggets. Maybe the Grizzlies.
But your sons stink. The Warriors can't win a game on the road.
What's going on with the West? It feels like the East has all really good teams that are going to fight it out in the playoffs. And the West is wide open with some up-and-coming Pelicans.
Throw them in there like Luka. All these teams that don't feel like finished products.
But because of the way the West is going to shake out, any of them could get to the finals, right? Yeah, East is definitely better. If we go through the West, I feel like the first tier of teams, I probably like Memphis even more than Denver, despite Denver being the one seed today.
Memphis just has some shit to it where I'm like, man, I like these guys. And, you know, whatever glimpse snapshot you want to take of a of a schedule, you could say, oh, well, this team's the hottest or this team's out of whatever.
Memphis is the hottest right now. Denver always concerns me about their defense.
If you look at the overall stats in the season, they're 18 out of 30. But the last 15 games are actually number two.
So they figured some things out. I think the other part of it is if you look at how many teams could win out of the West.
I think Denver could win the West. Memphis could win the West.
I still would put the Pelicans in there. New Orleans has the deepest team in basketball, and if Zion's there ready to go in the playoffs, he's still that hard of a matchup.
Everybody talks about all the shit they're going to try to do to him, and I've seen different teams go, we're going to double him here. And you know what? He's not only physically absurd, he's a really smart player.
Once you start to try to do certain things to Zion

he adjusts to it I've seen it in game and it's really really impressive and then there's still

really not much you can do so that puts three teams there the Sacramento story is awesome

the offense has been incredible shout out Mike Brown like Mike Brown gets a bad rap because

you know LeBron's a dickhead and bumped him and everything but he's a good coach he is a good

coach and I think the cool thing about Sacramento is it's a team that this is really the first year

or you know, LeBron's a dickhead and bumped him and everything, but he's a good coach. He is a good coach.
And I think the cool thing about Sacramento is it's a team that this is really the first year of like, okay, we've got it all figured out with Keegan being a rookie. They look like they've been playing together for like three years.
And De'Aaron Fox, who had some really, I would say, tough moments where I get it. When you're the star, you're the max player, you're the lottery pick, and he's a really talented player, you can force the issue a little.
And when you keep screwing it up, like I felt like last year, I'd watch the end of these Sacramento games, like, here we go with the Interfox, like, what's he going to do? He's been one of the best clutch players in the entire NBA. So Bonas' numbers are absurd.
And they have like a really good kind of six to seven guys that all already understand their role, which I think is probably one of the hardest things to figure out in the league. Like we can all tell you who the talented players are and no team's ever going to say, I want less talented players that have more cohesion, but to see everyone kind of know, like I always look at talent as it either overlaps or it, you know, it can overlap perfectly or then it becomes redundant.
You know, sometimes in Atlanta, when I watch Trey and DeJounte, I'm like, is this a great talent overlap, or is it just kind of redundant in certain ways? And Sacramento, in a very short amount of time, with a group that hasn't been together very long, has been really impressive, really impressive offensively. They play like a veteran team that's played a bunch of seasons together.
Now, would I put them in that group with Denver, Memphis, and New Orleans? No. I'd still put Golden State in there.
They're probably two weeks away from being a four or five seed, if you look at the standings. And I know you guys are going to shit on me in Phoenix the entire time.
Long COVID. Chris Paul has long COVID.
You know anybody with it, man? Yeah, I actually do. Our co-worker Kyle has it, so yeah, it sucks.
Lamar might have it. It's amazing how you have it? No, Lamar might have it.
Our co-worker Kyle has it. Oh, I thought you said Lamar Odom.
I was like, well. He's got the worst, the least of his issues.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Phoenix, long COVID for Chris Paul.
What are you going to say to defend your boy? It's over. Like, just admit it's over.
Break news right now and say, I, Ryan Rosillo, I was wrong. It's over.
What am I wrong about with Chris Paul? I mean, he's a choke artist. No, he's not.
Ryan, serious question about Chris Paul. Do you think that him sleeping with Kim Kardashian was good or bad for his legacy? You know, I got the inside scoop on this within within hours and i called big cat and he didn't even he didn't even not only did he say hey i'll call you back but didn't call me back well i didn't want to hear from state media well i i do i want to i mean this is what really went down chris paul was trying to play a game he was fucking he had a triple double going and then connie showed up and like what's who are you doing right now is that me are you doing me that was you what's the party line what happened with chris no no What do you know? What do that me? Are you doing me? That was you.
What's the party line? What happened with Chris Paul? No, no. What's the truth? Yeah.
What's up, InfoWars? You want the truth? Yeah, tell me. I'm waiting for it.
We can handle it. I was told it didn't happen.
Okay. All right.
Exactly. So that's why I'm happy I didn't call you back on that particular subject.
Very good. Well, then, you know what? Case closed.
But here's the thing. If somebody's going to accuse you of doing something like that, is there anybody that's a better source to get your wife to believe you than Kanye? Oh, yeah.
He was fine. It was like, are you serious? It's a layup.
Guy's losing his mind. We're good.
It's the least amount of trouble anyone's ever been in in that situation. So State Media.
All right, so Suns. What about Ray Dalio, though? Can the Suns fix it? Yeah, they can fix it.
Booker's missed a bunch of games. Here's the problem.
Here's the problem. All right.
There's a bunch of problems. Of all these teams that we're going to talk about, every single fan base is like, well, my guy was missing and then this was there.
Like Bucs fans, you're right. Pelicans fans, you're right.
You know, Murray just kind of got back and is starting to look like Jamal Murray again for Denver. So almost all of these teams, that's why I like Boston so much because I feel like they're the best health bet.
You feel like all of their guys are going to play and the one person person that's the biggest question mark is Rob Williams, who, you know, they can still probably be really good without him. And when I look at Phoenix, you go, okay, Booker's still, what, 10 days away from figuring out this second groin deal.
Chris Paul's had the heel and a hip. They've missed Cam Johnson for a month.
Jay Crowder hasn't even played. Clearly, they need to package some of this into something they can add to this group and never, ever underestimate the power and the impatience, normally, of new ownership.
I don't know exactly when this ownership transition thing is supposed to happen, but what I've heard is that they're going to try to be aggressive with this thing because once the Chris Paul part of this is done, you guys make all your jokes. The numbers for this year, it's been all over the place, but when they're right, when it's Aiton, when it's Bridges, when it's Booker, and when it's Paul, and it's Cam Johnson, and whatever asset they get for a Jay Crowder, and their bench is way better this year than it's been the previous two years, last year's playoff run, the finals run, the two years before that, it's actually still a really good team.
So a lot of the standing shifts happen because of who's healthy during those two weeks. And right now they're going through their brutal stretch.
The problem for Paul is, again, not only that he's hurt again, but he is no longer capable of carrying a team without Booker the way he would be able to do in the past. You know, granted, he's only been there a little while, but, you know, Booker is that good now that they're that dependent on him and Aiton's kind of just plateaued and unfortunately he's not going to be that next level guy so yeah I know they're what uh they're 11th seed today they're they're tied with Utah nine and a half out but they lose the tiebreaker but if you're writing them off you're not paying attention to how this league has worked this year what is it about Jay Crowder that he always ends up on great teams like i feel like jay crowder every year in the playoffs you're going to see jay crowder be on a team that probably goes to the nba finals usually loses but he's always like he's always in the conversation does he make a good team great or does he just manage to find his way onto good teams all the time i think it's a little of both you know i don't think that jay crowder shows up now all of a sudden're a different team.
So I guess the simple answer would be no to that. Honestly, I'd argue he might even be a little overrated.
But, you know, it's way better having his 30 minutes than zero of them. You know, this is a full-blown starting rotation guy with real playoff history who, you know, fits the profile of the 3 and D guy.
I'm not sure that that's always the case. And I'll admit to my own bias of watching certain players or certain players with four minutes left in a game, I think the shot's going in.
Two minutes left in a game, I don't think the shot's going in. And it's just, do I catch them that night when they're missing those shots? But you don't have anything.
That's what I've never understood about the Jay Crowder thing. Like, okay, cool, you're pissed.
You want the new contract, all that kind of stuff. You're just not going to play, and they're're going to grant you this and then you're not going to do anything from what i've heard phoenix is in on everybody like whenever i make the calls and be like hey what's going on gossip bullshit it's like hey man phoenix seems to be calling about everyone so i wonder if they can package any of this stuff to kind of feel like they're making one last run and maybe next year's the close of this run because the pa health thing is clearly, you know, it's not a great bet anymore.

And then to be missing Booker,

who's a top 10 player in the league for this long. And you're still, I think it's supposed to be reevaluated the 23rd.

You know, most teams are, most teams aren't look at Milwaukee right now.

They're losing all of the time.

Right.

Cause you can't, you can't sustain it.

You know, Milwaukee, I was looking at.

Got to kill in his eye.

Do you know how much that sucks? It's brutal. He also said he got some salt in there.
Yeah. And he's white, so he was probably drinking, like, well tequila.
It wasn't his. He says he doesn't drink.
Oh. No wonder it fucked him up he used he used the like the the 15 year old uh excuse everyone's used with their parents like no that wasn't mine yeah i was holding it was in underneath my bed i was holding it for yannis yeah right no that that bong i've never seen that before my friend older brother gave it to me and told me could you hold on to it and then you found it yeah look milwaukee was nine and oh 19 and six they're 8 and 10 in their last 18 of course nobody's writing them off and it just feels like whenever i'm looking at these teams going okay how many teams can win who do you like what grouping it's it's like whose health situation do i like more than the others and yeah that's it that's kind of my that was kind of my point and like of you know the regular season.
I'll get into NBA once NFL ends. But it does feel like one of those years.
I don't really care until we get to the last month of the season playoffs. Tell me who's healthy.
Tell me which teams have everyone. Chris Middleton just came back.
I don't know what the Bucs are. You've mentioned the Suns.
the Celtics have been phenomenal but they've also been the healthiest Kevin Durant's out like just just wake me up in late April and tell me who's got their best players still playing well I think some people are Sanders and some people are grinders and I think we both know that's facts hey what was that line about football while football season you just made an excuse for yourself no no You made an excuse for yourself. No, no, no.
Football season takes all – I mean, it's front and center. I actually also just – I am – I don't want to come across as one of those guys because I know how it comes across when you say it, but I do like watching college basketball regular season more than NBA.
I just – I don't have enough space. It's a bad product, but I like it.
I can't dedicate myself to football and basketball at the same time. I have to have a clean cut.
Yeah. I watch just all college hoops, and I know it's a bad product.
I know the guys just miss shit all the time. I know that games are just ridiculous and stupid because it's 18-year-olds missing free throws.
But it always feels like regular season college basketball. There's a lot more at stake because there's less games.
And, yeah, I watched the Bulls. That's pretty much it.
Hand up. That's how I know.
Look, as I get older, I don't care what you like. No, you do like something.
No, no, no. I'm happy you like something.
So I would never go, oh, I'm an NBA guy. You're an idiot for liking college basketball.
Although when I go back and do all the draft prep and I watch all these college games, it's just the officiating is so much worse in college than it is in the NBA. And that's why I just don't think Sunday is a ton of fun to go.
I'm just going to bitch about refs all day on social media. Cool.
And because it's like, where, where are the good refs then? Where's the version of this where it's actually being done really well? It's all the same. It's all the same.
Being a ref is actually very difficult. I think we've learned that with slow-mo replay in football and basketball, it's got to be impossible to be a referee.
We should start doing that. We should start it right here, where we just start giving refs credit for amazing calls.
We stand with them. I like it.
We'll be like the thin blue line except the white and black. The thin white and black line.
I respect officials.

It's Joe West.

Remember when Joe West, he wore the armband because he was like,

we're standing in support against anyone speaking out against referees.

I bet we could get Jake to do a call of the week,

like the best officiating call of the week,

and he would dive headfirst into the opportunity. Real nuanced call.

This would be great because how many times you're at home, you're like, what the fuck? And then you see the replay and you're like, man, the official had it. He nailed it.
The next time that happens, the next time that happens, it's like, I was sitting here and I was completely wrong and the ref nailed it. Good job.
That's it. That sideline catch for the Giants yesterday when they were driving and they ran a play quickly so they couldn't get reviewed, Ref nailed it.
The second foot getting inbounds like by... Hodgins? Yeah.
Maybe a half an inch. Credit to that ref.
All over it. And also, let's not let a few bad apples spoil the bunch.
There was only one ref that threw his flag when Kirk Cousins barely got his chin grazed yesterday. That one ref should not be an example of all bad officials on that field because most of them were very fine people.
And also there was only one ref in the Jaguars-Chargers game that assaulted the holder right before the – do you remember that at the end of the game? They were about to kick and they froze it, and the ref literally tackled the holder. By the way, actually, I don't – fuck that, ref, because where have you decided that that nobody gets practice kicks that's the whole point of my icing the kicker being stupid because i'm like if i'm kicking i'm telling my kicker hey you kick that thing let's get let's get a little wet here get it under the and and that ref decides i don't you don't see that it was crazy actually had yeah i had a problem with that yeah pft i do know what you were saying it was very funny yeah I don't know if people will get it.
No, it's fine. It's fine.
I actually had a problem with that. PFT, I do know what you were saying.

It was very funny. I don't know if people will get it.

No, it's fine.

It's fine.

I was analyzing officiating.

I think that needs to be discussed about more on this platform that we have.

You mentioned the New Orleans Pelicans.

I came across a stat about our friend, CJ McCollum,

that I did not realize about him.

And I think that we have an opportunity to take a stand for CJ. That's Jordan Schultz guy, right? Yeah, podcaster to podcaster.
C.J. McCollum is the only of 26 active players that have ever averaged 18 points or more over at least 300 career games and never been to an All-Star game.
I think we need to fix that for C.J. I'm a voter.
Chris Paul should give him his spot this year. Can you talk to Chris? Chris Paul's going to make it.
What? He hasn't played enough. He hasn't been good this year.
Or he's got some other arrangements that he has to make? I'm embarrassed. I didn't realize that.
I wouldn't have brought that up. Oh.
Yeah, this feels a little bit like the Russell Wilson never got a first-place vote the MVP campaign that his people decided to plant and then fucking idiots started repeating it all over the place but can you believe it it's like yeah I can do you have internet at home do you want to sit down and go over this dial up a zoom and I'll show you why he lost every year like this is stupid it worked though for a while it did until finally some of us were getting through to people being like, maybe this is a terrible point to be making because it sounds bad. And then you go, oh, how does the voting work? Oh, yeah, he should have lost all of those years.
Wait, wait, Ryan, are you telling me that there are better shooting guards in the West than CJ McCollum? And that might be a reason why he hasn't made the Oscar game.

I'll wait.

I'll wait.

Name one.

Give me one name.

Give me one.

Give me one fucking name.

I'll wait.

Hold on.

I'm Googling.

I can't think of one good shooting guard in the West.

No, I can't either.

That's just one of those things where you're like, wow, that's weird,

and then you go through it, and you go, no, it isn't.

It's not weird.

Like, CJ's a hell of a player. He's been an an awesome player but the guards have been stacked in the west for years and he's had I imagine there's probably a couple injury I don't know I'd have to go back and look at the whole thing but uh that doesn't shock me it's it's a weird distinction but he's been awesome for me he's really good but sometimes you know the all-star thing's gonna time out and there's also you know a little perception thing and I think there's still some voters and I'm not even sure if they're wrong like if statistically somebody is just ahead of the guy that is like clearly one of the fan attractions you know what is the all-star game does it have to be definitively this guy's stats are one percent better than this guy's or is there some kind of tie break where you go hey I want this want this guy in the All-Star game? And I think that's what happens a lot, too.
I think we just should vote him in just because he's a podcaster and representation matters. Yeah, and a friend of ours.
You guys aren't that close with him. We were in his fantasy league.
Yeah, so I was in fantasy league with nine guys I didn't know. that happens pretty cool I signed up for baseball

I'm a sneak tip big baseball fantasy guy and I just I did that too did you decide for a random league yeah yeah but I put my name in and no one I'll see every season no one thinks it's actually me same me too how'd you finish I won oh fuck I lost in the finals damn I know I think this is The first year I was like, don't take.

God, so when i'm out of season big cat you know how it is yeah uh jackson jackson pure for it so i was like don't take him this year i think i took him like seven years in a row and then this year it would have actually worked out yeah so that was our mlb preview yeah yeah there it is we anyone who's asking just come back show. As we progress through the season, every fan knows that big wins are hard to come by and tough losses are even harder to accept.
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Learn more at discover.com slash credit card. Ryan, I noticed when we're talking about the West, I do want to talk a little more about the East, but you didn't mention the Lakers.
Don't the Lakers still have LeBron James? Last time I checked. Last time I checked.
So I, it's actually kind of funny. I kind of funny I'm I'm actually getting to a weird point where I might start respecting LeBron just by the way that he's mailed it in defensively Ryan actually sends me clips of him um just not playing defense and I laugh every time uh but him just being like I want to get the all-time points record I want to play with my my son.
That's kind of it. And you could tell, too, tell me if this is way wrong, league circles, you talk to a lot of powerful people.
It feels like the last, I don't know, like two or three years, everyone has been like, you know what? LeBron is good, one of the best all-time, but he's not LeBron anymore because he'll do those demands like, I need help, I need trades the front office is like no no we're not doing this anymore we're not going to just trade the whole future for guys 38 now is that fair yeah when you're 30 you can get away with it right right like he's lost his I think LeBron it's like this weird shift where he still kind of thinks that he's that guy and then it just hasn't happened it's like wait, it is kind of towards the end here. I also like to correct myself on Jureks and Profar.
I knew as soon as I said Jackson purifier, I was like, that's probably not right. That's okay, though.
That means that you've learned his name by reading it, not by saying it out loud, so I respect that. Because I was always thinking about picking him up on the waivers.
I'm like, you've picked this guy up seven years in a row. All right, back to Big Cat's theory question.
We could really explore the space here on this one because it's a really, really, it's smart. It's a smart point.
Oh, thank you. When you're already on a contract and you're 38, like, okay, man.
Right. Like, I know you want help, but I'm not freaking out the way Cleveland was, okay? I'm not freaking out the way Miami has.
I love LeBron as a player, okay? I love him. I thought he's one of my going to be one of my all time favorite players to ever watch.
And when you talk about team sports and signing an individual, he is one of the greatest guarantees in the history of team sports. You get this guy on your team, it means you're competing for championships.
And that's really, really hard. However, he has had it in his head that like he can't be a partner with a team.'s very weird I've never quite understood it I've had explained to me numerous times where I remember he was with the heat and he was mad they hadn't used like the last roster spot on a guy and so I called somebody I was like what like who gives a shit it's like the 14th or 15th guy and the way it was explained to me was that lebron always wants ownership to know that there is pressure that they can never take a day off and that's why he did those year-to-year deals with cleveland because he always wanted them to have pressure and it's like all right i kind of get your point i wouldn't totally say's wrong, but it's not necessarily like having a great partner.

So I think he's trying to do some of those same things.

He'll also do it too.

Like whenever you compliment somewhere else,

it's very, very strategic.

He's a very strategic person.

Sometimes I think it's really smart.

Sometimes I think it's a complete waste of time.

When he was complimenting Oklahoma City last year,

he was doing it because they had all these draft picks.

And I think he was doing it, hoping that they would take his kid at some point and I was like you know I don't know that a front office would go that's funny right I respect that good like yeah he's like maybe I'm just nice to them that draft my son because a hundred million dollars Sam Preston can be in Space Jam 3 I'm sitting there going all right let me play the the other side of it I'm Sam Preston and I'm sitting there with a 27th pick and I have no idea his kid you know has kind of had this ebb and flow thing and you know it's weird because in a way we've been like reluctant to be critical of a high school kid but at the same time it's like don't we do that literally with every other high school kid that's worthy of getting a scholarship or maybe even being drafted in the NBA and so um you know imagine if you're Presti and you're going all right we get the 27th pick we're like well I don't know where we have them graded like I got graded in the 40s I don't know though remember in 2022 LeBron said that really nice thing about me let's fucking that really made me happy dude right yeah right that LeBron was always nice. It's always been like this stuff happens.
You know, when he signed with the Lakers the first time, the Cavs organization was like, are you fucking serious? You did a multi-year deal with him? Like you made us ride this out year to year? And if you go back to the end of the Cleveland thing, whether, you know, Kyrie who wanted out at first when I heard about it was like, man, what's Kyrie doing doing? Who does he think he is? And by the way, that wasn't exactly a completely inaccurate question to ask about him at the time. But it's one of the few times with Kyrie where I've respected it where he was like, wait, you're going to get rid of me? All right, well, then I'm out of here.
I'm not doing this, which, again, I appreciate it. And all LeBron had to do at some point was like, hey, you want us to trade this player? You want us to trade this pick? You need to commit to us.
Because you didn't commit to us the last time you went to Miami, which was his right and it all worked out. I wasn't critical of him when he did it 12 years.
I could give a shit then. I don't give a shit now.
But to see him, to your point, Big Cat, of like at 38, he can't be traded this year because of the contract they have him under control for another year plus the option it's like you can you can be mad about not having enough help but we're not as afraid of you as other organizations have been in the past despite the fact he still puts up massive numbers right uh at this age and look let's face it. Westbrook's there because LeBron wanted him there.

And it's a 40 plus million dollar bill every year

where the best version of it is now

is him coming off the bench.

So he's not fucking up as many minutes

as with the rest of the guys.

But if Anthony Davis isn't there,

as we saw the healthy version of him

is an MVP caliber type player.

If he's not there, then it's all a lost cause.

But I'll finish here.

It'll be really, really interesting. I can't wait to see how weird this gets is my point last question about the Lakers is one of your favorite fan fiction uh like fan bases fan fiction no no buddy healed to the Lakers I just always love Lakers fans being like should I should have been buddy healed I know it should have but it's just it constantly is like should have been buddy healed shouldakers.
I just always love Lakers fans being like, should have been Buddy Heald. Well, it should have.
I know it should have, but it's just, it constantly

is like, should have been Buddy Heald. Should have been.
I just

love whenever a fan base has one

guy where it's like, if that

guy had been here, everything would have been solved.

It's like, Buddy Heald's nice.

I don't think everything would have been solved.

No. No.
It would have been

solved. You're right.
He's the golden

bullet or silver bullet or whatever you call it.

Yeah. The thing is though like that that's that's one of those i love like years removed from stuff that wasn't even years removed that was that night right i was talking to somebody being like the sacramento thing's done and i was like okay you know make some sense but the westbrook thing like kuzma kuzma's a good player he's not perfect he's a really good player like whenever I think about trades I'll go like would you trade um fuck how am I forgetting his name right now this is awful this is awful this is our NBA expert Jerickson Profar yeah yeah Jerickson Purifier um well because there's uh Kiams, who I made a joke about opening up for God Street Wine at some point, played with the Nets.
I think he's a Pepperdine guy. I always mix it up.
All right, so Walker Kessler, the Auburn kid, who got drafted this year. Would you trade Walker Kessler right now for Rudy Gobert with his contract? No.
You probably – I mean, I know it sounds a little ridiculous. You might not do that.
Right. And not only did you do that, you threw in a million draft picks on top of everything else.
So then when you look at the Westbrook stuff of like what you could have done and then where Westbrook was as an asset this summer, which felt like if he got traded, he might get like if he got traded to the Pistons or excuse me, the Pacers and that Turner deal for Heald, which would have ironically brought Heald back. Westbrook was going to get waived by the Pacers.
Look, to Westbrook's credit, he's salvaged some of this, but the Lakers thing, it's tough. It's a tough way to judge it, man, because they won a ring.
They won a ring. They went all in on AD.
It was Mickey Mouse, though. We don we don't.
I don't do that. I do.
We're not on your show. You're on our show.
We don't count it. I got La Russillo joining us today.
Yeah. I love it out of here.
So, Ryan, let me. No, he was doing the.
No, like La, like L-E, not L-A. We're fascinated with the guys who have the auto responses ready.
We're like LeBron will tweet something, and the first reply, two seconds later, it'll be like, LeFraud's rings, and it'll be like, Mickey Mouse bubble ring. Like, Cavs blew, like, Draymond got suspended for game six.
Steph Curry injured that year. And it just breaks it down.
It's like, he never actually won a real ring. Yeah, all right, all right.
I thought you were doing the L thought you were doing the la thing that's much funnier better joke should have known that with you guys no i can't imagine imagine being one of those guys and meeting a girl and you're like what do you do i love it i want to interview him i have woge tweet notification set up so i can copy and paste from my google doc yeah of why lebron james's rings don't count yeah it's it's the best i got i 30 retweets last night. Yeah, they're starting to do it with Mahomes now, too.
I do always love when somebody would be like, okay, they address a tweet from the night before, and they're like, okay, a lot of controversy on this one. Then you look back, it's 12 comments.
I didn't think this one would pop off. Yeah, all right.
Clearly, I need to address What I said last night Because you guys won't stop Ryan, I have a thought exercise To go through with you about the Lakers And then we'll move on to another organization If LeBron James Were to be featured In the picture that the Lakers tweet out After a loss, if that were to happen one night Let's say hypothetically they lose to the 76ers or something and the next thing that you see is LeBron James final score Lakers lose what does LeBron do like why have they not done this yet what what would be the downside would LeBron just refuse to play the next night because he's like you guys disrespected me by using my picture on a tweet so it still hasn't happened yet right no no it's never happened i know i just don't keep up with it so it's like there was one that i think they when they first the guy i i can't remember who it was very talented guy he's actually out of chicago i talked to him he he he said there was one time that they used leBron in the background, but you could barely see him. Our guy Stathol has been following it this year on top of the work that this other guy has done, and it hasn't happened this year.
Yeah, and the Lakers, I think they did that to try to get some heat off, which just made it worse for them. Right, that makes it even worse.
Yeah, look, LeBron's in this picture, but he was way in the back, and you couldn't really even see it was him. Dude, some of the stuff people notice.
You're just going, this is crazy. We're all bored.
We're all kind of bored. Did you see Chandler Parsons liked this tweet? You're like, from when? Yeah, last night, Billy was like lamar jackson liked a tweet about going to the jets and then he unliked it like three minutes later and i was like good investigative work billy like that's we got to be on top of that so stat hole has actually kept track of this as of january 13th this season the team without lebron is tied for westbrook for being featured in the graphic with six times reeves has been on their five brown four ad schroeder three walker jta beverly two ryan bryant gabriel and then he says whoever number nine is have all done it once but no lebron there's never been lebron featured as it and they've lost a lot they have i just want to know i'm to know what would happen if they, because it's very clearly a rule that they're not allowed to feature him.
So would LeBron go like into the front office the next day and be like, hey, I saw that tweet. Yeah.
Contract. What if it was in his contract and it was voided? Yeah.
That's what they should do. Yeah.
Well, that's what LeBron, LeBron needs to figure out a way to get it so he can then go back to the Cavs and be like, I'm coming home to win another ring, even though that team's really fucking good on its own. He does.
He's taking them hostage on social media. He's a terrorist.
It's really weird. Look, it's really weird.
Okay. Clearly, I don't know why somebody would do this.
I don't. It would be even weirder.
Look, if it's a social media person just deciding to do it that's weird if it's actually some sort of mandate that makes it a hundred times more weird yeah but now that it's all out there and people have been talking about it when did you guys first notice it like you would notice this stuff before i would last year it was it was the guy yeah i again i apologize his name's escaping me but he he did a whole video on YouTube that was very funny.

And he was the one who first found it.

It was like sometime in like February or March last year.

And it was like the Lakers never put LeBron on losing graphics.

That's so fucking weird.

Yeah, it's very strange.

But now you've got to just get it over with.

Yeah, it would be awesome.

Or now, or you defiant.

You're like, oh, they're on to us.

Now I'm definitely not giving in.

I'd probably do that.

Yeah.

Never do it. It also might just come from the top.

Maybe the ownership is just like, hey, we don't feature our stars.

But think how weird this is.

Because this is unfortunately what the league is.

And this is like when a football guy goes, you know, one of my buddies was like, that league sucks.

What's wrong with you?

And I said, look, I like that guy.

Can you hook us up with him?

I go, you've hung out with him before. I go, look, man, if I didn't love it, I might hate it.
Yeah. Okay.
And the amount of time that is spent on things solely because of feelings and going, we just need to do everything we can to make sure this person doesn't tell us he hates us in six months. It's a lot of effort.
It's a lot of effort. And, you know, I'm staunchly pro player in all the CBA negotiations, which I feel like is this caveat that I throw out there far too often.
But sometimes I wonder, like, do you guys just want to make this job even harder for all the people that are trying to put together teams? Right. You this isn't a shut up and dribble thing it's it's a very simple like how much of an asset or distraction do you want to be to a team and the team concept and i think a lot of that stuff is done so all right so perfect segue i get one bulls question was that the fastest uh max contract signing uh you know superstar and superstar and Zach Levine might not be in the superstar star I get what you're saying right yeah yeah upset at management turnaround because I think it was so he signed it obviously this summer I think it was early December the rumors came out that he was upset at Billy Donovan in the front office.
So he had just signed for an insane amount of money.

And it feels like the Bulls are already back into like, should they blow it up?

Like, maybe they should.

It was pretty quick.

It was very quick.

One of my all-time favorites was Steven Jackson, where he signed a contract. I think it was, I think it was golden state.
Um, and he didn't even make it a couple of months. He was like, get me out of here.
And they ended up trading. And then I asked him about it.
This is before, you know, I've run into him a few times because of the industry and because legends promotes all the smoke and you know what I mean? Like there's, There's a few times I've run across him. But when I interviewed Steven Jackson about it, I was like, is there any part of you – I might be getting some of the details wrong, but I was like, you got your three-year extension, and then you immediately were like, I'm out of here.
And he was like, no. He answered the way Steven Jackson you would expect to.
Then he hung up. He was like, oh, the tunnel.
It's getting weird. And he hung up.

And it was a phoner at ESPN Radio.

Levine, though, and part of the goal of this has been,

as we've seen, kind of like a desensitizing to all of it.

At first, it was people being mad about somebody leaving in free agency.

And then you had the debate of, like,

was LeBron actually a lot cooler about what he did because he waited until free agency than what Mello did? Or was Mello cooler because he went to Denver and said, hey, I'm not coming back. So you better get something for me now.
I mean, you can make an argument who's actually doing them more of a favor. But if you ask George Carl, who was coaching him at the time, he's like, this is the fucking worst because this guy showed up to work every single day where LeBron was still competing at a high level.
So now we've gone over the decade plus of like, all right, well, I can ask with a year left on my deal. Then it's like, I can ask for like two years left on my deal.
And then you have Harden who has such little regard for competition at times who had no problem completely tanking on his own. We talk about teams tanking.
Harden tanked on his own for two different organizations in 13 months and is okay with it. And then we'll do an interview being like, how come I didn't get more credit for taking a discount this year? You're like, I don't know.
Respect. How much time do you have? The personal tank.

I honestly respect the James Harden tank because he just said he found a loophole in the system, which is you can get as many lawyers as you can into a room, spend years negotiating a CBA. None of them can come up with a counter to I'm just going to get fat.
Yeah. Right.
Or did he bet on the Kings tonight? Like, it's unbelievable in NBA circles. there's the infamous Harden Sacramento Kings game from last year where I,

I,

I,

I, Or did he bet on the Kings tonight? It's unbelievable in NBA circles. There's the infamous Harden Sacramento Kings game from last year where I sent a text to somebody who was like, dude, are you all right? After that game.
And people even know about it. So then you have Durant, who the extension hadn't even kicked in yet, and he wanted out of there this summer.
So that kind of takes us to the journey of a Zach Levine. It's a monster number.
Levine gets it. The Bulls are afraid not to pay it, to lose an asset for nothing, especially as DeRozan has gotten older yet is still incredible.
And the DeRozan contract, 10 times better than I thought it was going to be. I thought it was kind of high considering the market, and I was totally wrong.
He's been fucking awesome for him. But the East got better really quick.
So where Chicago thought, we do the Vooch deal. We do DeRozan.
Fortunately, Lonzo doesn't play. We add Caruso.
Levine has definitely become a better player as far as the decision-making, but there's still always those moments with him where you're kind of like, what are you doing? He had a night the other night where he just decided, because DeRozan wasn't playing. He's like, I'm just going to fucking take it to the hole every single time.
And I don't know. Sometimes with that stuff, it feels like when you're playing by yourself, the four guys are sitting around, then they don't play defense.
So it is very quick, Big Cat, but it's also the natural progression. It's the natural order of things where now players are like, I'll just get the number and I'll get the years, and I don't have to play this game where I have to wait three to ask out.
I'll just ask out whenever. And so Chicago, unfortunately, especially owing Orlando another pick here, like they're just not good enough.
Although they beat all the good teams, which is a little fluky this year. Yeah.
I think everything's on the table for them. But what usually ends up happening is you find a way to rebuild around it.
And the other point to Levine is everybody's cool with the situation, him deferring to DeRozan when you're winning. As soon as the situation is the complete same, your numbers are still good.
Now you start losing some games because of other issues. And now it's like, oh, I don't know about my role.
It's like, man, you're still taking like 20 shots a game. Right.'s what are you looking for so blow it up yeah

well they're stuck they're stuck they're right back in the spot they're right back it was nice

for like three months last year it was a very fun ride they were one in the east uh and then

we're back kind of to the no man's land of the nba i in a weird way had respect for them going like

Alright They're trying to just

Add some pieces

They're not waiting around

With caps

Thank you. I, in a weird way, had respect for them going like,

all right, they're trying to just add some pieces.

They're not waiting around with cap space every single year going,

no, that guy's not good enough.

I mean, think about the Knicks.

The Knicks were hesitant about giving up assets for Donovan Mitchell because they were like, well, how will that impact the next guy?

You're like, get the fucking first guy.

Right, yeah.

Get the first guy and then worry about the rest later. So I had really some respect for the Bulls doing something where, I get what they're trying to do.
They're trying to like, hey, we're not even close. Let's at least be part of the conversation.
And now they're not even in that. Right.
So it doesn't really make a lot of sense. And I was talking to another team that was like, anytime you do those deals like the one they did for Vooch, you have to guarantee that you're incrementally better.

Like, okay, we're now a playoff team that can win a round,

where without them we can't.

And with Vooch, it was a completely lateral thing

with the other pieces around it.

But it doesn't – there's nothing there,

especially with missing the second pick.

It really doesn't make any sense to hang on to what they have right now,

although I get why they did it.

Okay, so – go ahead, PFT.

I was going to say, well, shout out to Kenny Beecham.

He was the guy that found the LeBron James thing.

Yes, Kenny Beecham.

Oh, shit. It really doesn't make any sense to hang on to what they have right now, although I get why they did it.
Okay, so go ahead, PFT. I was going to say, well, shout out to Kenny Beecham.
He was the guy that found the LeBron James thing. Yes, Kenny Beecham.
About the Lakers social media. I want to talk real quick about the draft, because it seems to me that Wimbayana is a guy that – I don't even know if I said his name right.
Yeah, you did. He seems to me like he's a guy that could take a completely irrelevant random franchise and just change the outlook of that entire city towards basketball for the next, I don't know, five, six, seven years, however long, if you choose to stick around there.
Is he really that good, or have I been lied to and brainwashed by the mainstream media to believe that this guy has that type of like— we haven't seen a guy in the draft like that for a while that could instantly come in and change the entire face of a franchise. Yeah, I think whenever you're doing the draft stuff, you're wondering how many of those guys exist when in the league of 450 plus players, that list isn't ever more than, I don't think, I think it's like a list of six or seven players who really are, as soon as you get them on the team, okay, we're a completely different team and we have a real chance to do something.
So you're not lucky enough to get one of those in the draft every single year. You're going to go multiple drafts without ever getting those kinds of guys.
However, when you watch him play, it's make-believe. It's crazy.
We've never seen anything like it. It'd be like creating a player in a video game and he's the most amazing.
It's like taking Michael Jordan and playing him in some career mode thing and then saying, okay, now I want to make him 7'5". I was watching clips the other day because he's fascinating.
He's an alien. And I know Giannis is an alien, but he's more of an alien than Giannis.
He's taking, and I don't know about the competition level, he's taking floater three-pointers and making them. Floaters.
Like, off one foot. He had two blocked shots yesterday where he didn't jump.
Yeah, it's crazy. It's like you can't.
Now, is the competition really bad? Like, is this going to be a situation where he shows up? I can't imagine that he would not be as good as advertised, but is he dominating on, like, people that are just not good? Because some of these clips are mind-boggling to watch when he goes like coast to coast through the legs and he's dribbling like a point guard and then he just he's just seven five and dunking on people well he's seven he's seven two i was i was exaggerating seven five seven five seven fives keep it at seven five no he is that good he is that good and the competition is really good and we've seen now for multiple years a lot of the international players, the league he's playing in is better, as good as the Australian and all the stuff that's going on down there. That league is getting really, really good.
And I'm not an expert necessarily on all this kind of stuff, but I've seen him play enough against whether it's older guys or the same age people where it isn't about competition it isn't I mean I think the only concern with Wenbanyama is that I have a theory that I don't know if anybody agrees with me on this I feel like we've seen too many players their bodies are too big for their game or their game is too perimeter oriented for their their bodies where we have these seven foot plus players who have all these skills. You know, this is the new evolution of the player.
Where like when I think about Przingis, like the thing that jumped out at first, like look at all this shit that he can do. And then it's like, okay, but is he too big? Will he stay healthy? Chet Holmgren was another one where I'm like, the stuff this guy can do.
Chet's a really good basketball player. So if he's healthy and figures it out, he's going to be really good.
Not even worried about it. But you're like, are you supposed to be able to move like this? So as magical, whatever adjective you want to use on watching Victor, to see him cross dudes up, to see him step back threes, to see him finish baseline on the other side, all these perimeter things that you've seen guys six foot whatever do, is a team going to actually do this? You could add Durant to the list of look at his body type and the perimeter skills that he has.
Luckily, for the most part, he's been healthy enough to have a Hall of Fame career, but it's still a little disappointing because you're always worried about it all the time. I think that's a concern.
I definitely think it's a concern when the guys are younger and they haven't filled out enough and they don't have that man strength on them and all that kind of stuff. From just a skills standpoint, when people say he's the best prospect they've ever seen, it's not bullshit.
It's not hyperbole. But if somebody says he's a better prospect coming into LeBron, they're full of shit right because lebron had the perfect body type immediately you knew exactly how he's going to fit into a game and you know it's not the same as mb if we want to talk philly at any point like i love mb but in today's game to go all right we're going to post you up when we need a bucket late it's just not the way this game is played anymore as dominant as Embiid can be.
And so with Wenbanyama, I'm like, okay, it's insane.

He goes one. Maybe he has all these things, but there's like, is he playing small forward? Right.
Where does he fit? Are you ISOing him? He's 18, so he does have a few years to fill out and develop. Get taller.
Yeah, get taller maybe. Get up to 7'7", 300 pounds.
You remember that when like every year LeBron would get an inch taller and 10 pounds heavier when people would talk about him? The 10 pounds heavier thing. Like he would have been in the whale.
Every year was that. No, he put – Did you guys see it? I did not see that.
He's a great guy though.bron james would put on 10 pounds during a game you remember that lie yeah no wait during a game lose come on no what the lie was somebody said lebron james is such a freak that he i actually saw him weighing before and after a game and he gained i think it was 10 pounds it was at least five he gained 10 pounds over the course of an n game. Is that the same person that's in charge of the Lakers social media? But what I'm saying with Wimbeona is I love the randomness of it, that wherever this guy could go could actually change the course of the NBA because of a ping pong ball machine.
Hank's definitely not getting Wimbeona. No, no.
No, look, man, I totally get what you're saying, and I want to sound like I'm down it, like everybody takes him one. You go, we might have a chance at somebody that's going to do all the things you're talking about, PFT.
Like, I totally get it. I totally get it.
But it's just different because, you know, it's kind of like the Evan Mobley. It's not the same as the Evan Mobley-Cade Cunningham argument.
Mobley was like a perfect prospect, but you were like, Cade's going to have the ball in his hands all the time. And in today's league, the teams that have the best ball handling decision-making, like it's wings.
It's wings that can attack, wings that can shoot, wings that can switch. You know, that's why this Boston thing, which is so ironic about can Tatum and Jalen Brown play together? It's why they're the favorites right now, because they have two all-star level wings in their prime that you don't have to worry about their health.
So I wonder, I don't, he is fucking awesome, okay? Let's not get it mistaken. It's just from the NBA fit of taking over a franchise and him being that number one guy, maybe it ends up being just a slightly taller Durant, although Durant's probably only, I don't know, Durant's easily seven feet, though, from anybody that's around him.
So all these points are great, and this is why I respect your opinion, because you actually think about these things. I think what we should do, PFT sidebar, Wembenyana Goat.
Just jump out? Yeah, he's just the best. He's literally the best ever.
He's going to be the best ever. He's the best prospect of all time.
Yeah, all time. And anyone says differently is an idiot.

Victor Wimbignan, you on a stand account?

Yeah, so we'll just do that side, and you can actually have actual thought in your analysis.

In the NBA, it's perfect because you can find a stat line every night

that hasn't been done since 1960 or whatever.

We'll just cherry pick all the Wimbignan stats per minute. So we'll do that.
So we got- Never lost in the finals. Yeah.
We got this side covered. All right.
You guys could. Yeah.
We'll cover your back. Where if, you know, if for some reason he does turn out to be the GOAT, you can just hop back on board with us and be like, remember that part of my take would be the NBA preview in the middle of January? Also MLB preview.
We discussed this. He's the GOAT.
So we got you. This has been the best preview of all.
We've covered all our bases. We're not even previewing this year.
No, no. We're actually just talking about 2024.
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Jokic – Wait. Can you win the MVP if you – Like, is there – The MVP is obviously human voted.
I know Jokic is incredible. Yeah, humans do vote it.
Do you think that he will get dinged because he hasn't gone deep in the playoffs

and giving a guy three years in a row, voters just could be like,

well, it doesn't matter.

Maybe for some, but, I mean, you should be voting on who the MVP is that year

and comparing it with who else.

I'm not saying it's for everybody.

Yeah, you know that's not how it always works.

It's narratives, too.

He's a .2 assist away from a triple double and it's not a hey

I want the ball every time.

Yeah, those are the worst triple doubles ever.

Did he or did

he not average a triple double that season?

Yeah, he also had the highest single usage rate

in the modern era.

Did he or did he not average a triple

double that season? Hey, I thought it was cool too

five years ago, six years ago.

I was like, man, this guy's got a triple double. Wait, give me your power rankings.
Who has the best triple-doubles in the NBA? The best triple-doubles? I mean, Luca, what he's doing right now is fucking stupid, but it also kind of speaks a bit to the usage stuff that is a real problem for me. This league has decided, and I think some of the math has gone like, okay, if we have this player, why do other players have the basketball? Let's have him have the basketball more.
We saw that a lot with the peak Harden stuff in Houston. And then I'd look at the numbers and go, okay, these numbers are staggering.
But when you watch it, you got four guys fucking standing around the whole time. And I know nobody wants to talk about anybody ever playing any sport, but if anybody's ever played any basketball, even if you're winning games and scoring a lot of points, you're not that interested.
Yeah. And even more so if you're a millionaire who probably had 30 a game in high school, and then you ask in the playoffs to go, hey, now be engaged and now be ready to start taking some more shots because they're going to start doubling me and defending harder.
They're going to play us multiple games in a row because it's a playoff series. So can you guys, after six months of watching me, be way more engaged now and be ready to take some big shots and also defend and box out if I can't figure out how to do something? So some of this stuff's been totally overrated.
I know what it means historically. And as much as I feel guilty at times of Luka,

like if I need a basket tonight

or I need a basket right now, Luka

is the best option in the

entire league. He just is.
He's so good.

He gets the best angles. He can shoot.

The playmaking, all that stuff. It's incredible.

But when I look at these weeks where we

have these absurd numbers,

it's never been easier to score

in the modern era. And part of that

is the spacing. Part of it is

the officiating. And a big part of it player credit to the players is that the these guys are insane shot makers the talent level is that high when i look at like the seventh eighth ninth guy and some teams sometimes i just laugh going this guy doesn't even play that's how talented this league is it's the most talented time I've ever seen.
Yeah. But I hesitate to be as enamored with some of these crazy stat lines that we see because I'm like, this is kind of what we've seen the last five, six years with just teams selling out going, do everything on every possession.
And it's fun, and it's a celebration of that player's talents. I think it sucks for the team long term.
I think those teams flame out in the playoffs for the most part. I've done the history on it.
You don't have a lot of success with the top usage guys in the last 20 years. There's like one finals appearance, and that's Iverson with that Sixers team that sucked around him.
I think there's a Western Conference finals appearance that's Harden when they blew the 3-2 lead to Golden State. There's seven teams that didn't make the playoffs.
Kobe's got a year in there. You're like, what the fuck were they even doing? And so, when I look at Jokic's raw numbers and then back it up with what I watch, that guy would be happy taking five shots a game.
Yeah. And they still might win.
That's how in control he is and why with him versus Doncic or some of the other Westbrook hard stuff in the past, I think I just appreciate it more with Jokic. And if they end up being the one seed, and you'll have to compare it to everything else that's out there.
Okay, well, where's Durant when he comes back, right? Does Ja have a late case in this? Will Milwaukee move up? Could Tatum get back into this thing? Booker lost his momentum, all those things. You can't say, oh, it'll be three in a row for a guy that hasn't really gone that far in the playoffs even though they did make it to the Western Conference finals the year the Lakers won the whole thing you can't you can't do that to Jokic and then make these imaginary penalties against him because then who's the other option I totally agree I think he is the MVP he's incredible like He's so much fun to watch.
He makes everybody around him better, too. Yeah, and his control of the game and the way he's just able to do everything, it's so much fun.
Aaron Gordon's a completely different guy now. Look at his numbers in Orlando.
PFT, you're totally right. They had these amazing offensive ratings last year with all the guys missing.
Yeah. You were looking at what they were doing.
I'm just saying i know how this works i know how the nba voting works there's a reason why you know like carl malone has an mvp or lebron didn't win it every single year in that stretch where he was by far the best player you know steve nash had two mvps like there's just weird shit happens with the nba mvp and guys get in voters get never got to vote. That's crazy.
Russell Wilson never got to vote. Carson Wentz got two.
All right, so quick last few questions. Sixers, Max is going to be mad if we don't mention him.
Let him down easily. I really liked the roster so much when the season started.
You know, Harden's missed 16 games and Bede's missed 12. Maxie's missed 20.
there's all these numbers that are going to tell you they're really good and that you shouldn't say it's Boston Brooklyn Milwaukee and then Philly but I'm telling you it feels like Boston Brooklyn Milwaukee and then Philly and Brooklyn could be a massive disappointment too if the Durant thing doesn't get straightened out can I ask ask you guys a quick question? This has been a really good Kyrie stretch. Yeah.
And I'll answer the rest of this Philly question here, but that was a high usage answer on the Jokic thing, so I want to pass the ball here a little bit more. Would you respect Kyrie more or less if he just toned it down because he's a free agent? Less.
Less. Because if you're going to be about it, be about it.
The fact that he's been a little bit too quiet recently. So I hadn't been thinking about that, Ryan.
That's why I like having you on the show, because I hadn't put two and two together. I just thought that with Kyrie, he maybe was trying to be a good teammate, maybe learned a lesson.
But really what I was thinking in the back of my head was he's been a little bit too quiet and something big is about. He's been cooking something up in his lab.
He's gone off the grid and he's been developing a new take that he's going to come out with soon. But the way that you put it actually does make me respect him less.
The fact that he's shutting his mouth up because he might have to go get paid somewhere yeah i mean i would agree i always thought his apology thing was just ridiculous it was like everyone had to tell him to apologize and then he didn't still didn't and then finally it was like oh yeah maybe the holocaust happened my bad hand up like it was like dude why even apologize at this point you don't want to yeah less is the right answer yeah i mean it's it's the right tact to do what he's doing yes don't get me wrong like not stopping denying the holocaust was a great move for tyree i can't for his future i can't underline that enough and just for him as a person um but the fact that he may have only stopped doing it because

he's going to be a free agent that

undermines his credibility. Right and it also

it goes to like did he

stop having the thoughts? I don't think

so. Yeah thoughts usually aren't just

like wow that was

a crazy Wednesday. Yeah right like

shouldn't have tweeted that one. Did you watch

the documentary yet Ryan?

No I didn't. I thought you were a co-producer on it.
No, no, was not. All right, so back to Philadelphia.
They got some very basic historical facts incorrect. I want to just put that out there.
A lot. And you know.
Yeah, I know. Listen, I've waded through some murky propaganda before, and this beats most of them.
Yeah, I mean, put the waiters on yeah and and go through it those dark years for you well like you you know you watch the games i have to watch the anti-semitic documentaries so that i make sure i really know what i'm talking about when i tell kairi that he's full of shit right and then he calls dan and be like damn well so wait uh, Sixers. Philly.
Yeah.

Philly.

They're not going anywhere, huh?

All right, so we know they've missed games.

And I watch because the MVP vote thing got a little nasty last year.

A lot of stuff flying around.

And in a way, when you looked at who Jokic was

and what Giannis had done,

like if Giannis had not won MVP, to your point, Big Cat,

if he had not won one, he would have won it last year. Right.
That's how it works. Right.
You're right. You're right.
I'm not telling you you're wrong. I'm just telling you I try not to do it that way.
Okay. Embiid, I ended up voting third and people thought I was like losing my mind and I went, well, I'm kind of stuck and I think the standings are close enough and I just feel like when I looked at the injuries and what Jokic did with this offense and all this different stuff, and granted, look, there was a game against Sacramento where they decided like five straight possessions to attack Jokic, which couldn't be a concern for them come playoff time.
But like I said, man, this last month or so, they've been really good on defense. So when I'm going through the Embiid stuff, I'll watch really closely, and I cannot express as much how much I like the dude.
He fucks up at the end of the games a lot, man. I'm telling you.
And I don't know if it's on him as much as it speaks to some of the stuff we were just talking about with Wynman Yama in that, what does an offense look like when a big man is your focal point? And granted, Embiid is still more, or I would say less perimeter- than some of the crazy shit we see when Banyama do. But if you're like, oh, are we going to get Embiid a touch? I mean, how many Sixers fans, you know, you may not want to admit this, but how many times do you agree? It's like he gets the touch and then he gets, everybody collapses on him and then it's him like kind of forced into a tough shot decision where it's like, I'm the guy, so I'm supposed to take the shot,

but it might not be the best shot,

so now I'm going to get a pass to somebody the other way.

He hit the game winner against Utah.

He was a tough option there prior to that shot.

He threw one out of bounds.

He missed another one.

He had some possessions against the Pelicans where I'm like,

man, what are you doing?

So then I looked it up.

I looked up the clutch turnover rate for the top players in the league. Bradley Beal's number one in turnover rate, clutch time.
Not a shock if you're a Wizards fan. Number two is hard.
Number three is Embiid. Players, turnover rate.
Now, it doesn't mean that this stat can't be fixed somewhere, but it matches what I see. It matches all of the times where there's a lot of Philadelphia numbers where the profile's great.
Hey, look at this, what they can do on offense. Look at all their depth.
Look at the different defenders they can throw at you. There's a lot to like about them, but I can't help but get past some of the hardened, Embiid moments at the close of games where I'm like, what are these guys doing? And maybe this gets sorted out, but it's been a problem the first half of the season all right Max is chomping at the bit I don't know if you've met Max Ryan he is uh our new producer not new anymore he's been with us for like six months diehard Philly fan Max go ahead uh don't not to swear don't disagree with anything that you said there uh all Philly fans have watched him beat them just just dumped the ball into Embiid in crunch time, and he just dribbles, dribbles, dribbles, and then kind of either dribbles off his foot or throws up some fadeaway turnaround that is the most infuriating thing ever.
My number one question is how much of that blame is Doc Rivers? Not as much as you want it to be, man. I knew you were going to give me some bullshit answer like that.
Nice to meet you, Max. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
He was so nice. Yeah, no, no, he can't hold it back for long.
Hey, look, it's a bit like Kyrie. If you're going to be about it, be about it.
I respect the Philly guys. I didn't expect that to go.
No, we asked Max all-time moment a couple weeks ago. We asked him, like, what's wrong with Carson Wentz? And his brain, like, stopped.
He was like, he's a mental. And he's like, wait, I can't say the word that comes after that.
He's like, he's a mental pussy. It was like the cleaned-up Philly version of it.
I am not a big blame-the-coach guy. I'm just not.
Do you really think there's not somebody on that eight or nine person staff that's like, hey, maybe we have an entry pass from this angle? At least they have Harden who can throw him a fucking entry pass. Those years where Embiid, I'm like, God damn.
Can somebody get this guy a clean look? Can't you figure out a way to get the ball opposite? This this is coming from somebody that is rooting for Embiid, that likes him, but there's a real dependency on both he and Harden getting fouled that there's going to be playoff games where you don't get those calls. It's just not going to happen.
I've seen it happen too many times. You look at the average number of free throw attempts, it can all look like it's averaged out, it hasn't mattered.
There will be a night where you're not getting those calls, and that's a tough way to live. It's a tough way to live if you're thinking about getting out of the East or winning a championship.
And that is kind of the foundation of all the shit that we talk about, right? Because it's my Lamar Jackson thing that I've always brought up. Don't get mad that I'm still critical of Lamar in certain ways because now we're holding Lamar to an MVP standard.
We're comparing Lamar to Josh Allen. We're comparing him to Mahomes.
We're comparing him to, I don't know, whoever's on that list. It can't be Herbert anymore, right? But you see the point.
The Chicago Bulls, same thing with you, Big Cat, last year. They went, what, 31-17 or something like that? And then I'm going, yeah, but I don't know how they match up with Milwaukee or Brooklyn.
And then all these Chicago people got super pissed. You go, no, no, no.
You don't get to be the one seed and they get fucking pissed when you compare to your peers. Because now your peers are different.
And so for Philly, for who this team has been, the investment they've put in it, the star power that they have, and I like the roster, I'm only comparing Philadelphia to the other teams they have to get past. And anybody that's watched the first half of the season, I don't know how they would say, even with the injuries, you'd be like, you know what, I like them getting out of the playoffs better than those other teams.
Not impossible, but by the standard that we go of comparing yourself to your peers, not just, hey, are you good, Philadelphia is behind those other teams. Let me ask you this, Ryan.
Since you brought up Lamar Jackson, hypothetically, which would you rather have? I got into this debate yesterday. Lamar Jackson, $220 million guaranteed, or Daniel Jones, five years, $175 million? Oh, I take Lamar.
Yeah, of course. But Daniel Jones isn't guaranteed.
It's what? The football? Is it the Kaepernick guarantee, which is the most non-guaranteed contract of all time? It was like, Kaepernick signed for $100-something million.

You're like, yeah, and $15 is guaranteed.

Go back and look up those numbers.

It was hilarious.

I think it may have gotten the second year guaranteed is the way it all worked out.

I'd heard all season long, and this is the same thing that the Dak point of how weird that conversation got.

It was like, oh, they're not going to pay him.

It's like they offer him a pretty good deal.

Dak thinks he can get a better one as he has more leverage. And guess he broke his leg and still got the better deal it worked out Lamar stuff was really weird if you go through all the Harbaugh quotes yeah where it sounds like there's a real detachment there between you know you guys are friends like PFT Big Cat and I are friends with a bunch of athletes.
What does that mean? So mean. You think I'm not friends with Spencer Hawes? I just saw Big Spence the other day.
Ride or die. Are you that close with him? Yeah, no.
I knew Spencer back like 2013. Hank and I went and ate dinner at his house.
He made his dinner once. I think Spencer was like the first athlete that I hung out with when I first started writing about sports, like way before I ever knew I was going to be a podcaster.
He was like, he found out I was in Seattle at one point. He's like, dude, you're going to meet Seattle? Let's hang out.
Went over to his house, hung out in his hot tub. Good guy.
Great guy. Ride or dive.
Just AWL. Just you and him? Yeah, just me and him.
That's not school. Whatever happens underwater doesn't count.
We listened to Cameron. Had a great time.
It was a hell of a night. He's so nice.
He's another classic like, hey, do you want to hang out tonight? And I'm like, I don't know, dude. The Hornets.
He asked if he could come over to watch games. And it's like a guy who played in the league would have endless insight for me.
And I was like, ah. Kind of got my thing.
Yeah, I got like a nice six-hour little stretch here. And then I'm going to watch In Bruges maybe later for the second time around.
All right. I don't even know what the fuck we were talking about anymore.
You were making fun of me for not having athlete friends, which is highly factually inaccurate. No, Spencer Hawes is a great one.
Good call. Thank you.
Athletes that you're friends with, right, will say, fuck the teams when it comes to the medical stuff, right? This is the endless war. It can never be solved.
The player always thinks the team is fucking them, and the team always thinks that the player could play, right? And I've even heard, I forget who it was, a guy who played basketball, he said once, he was like, the team doctor we had one year just straight up said, look, I work for the team, so understand that. I work for the team.
I'm going to do the best I can for you, but when it's a tie, I work for the team. And so I don't know how hurt Lamar really is.
I read all the Sandoz stuff this morning on The Athletic that I thought was awesome and gave you real insight.

But I'd also heard all season long, much like the Dak thing,

that he asked for the Deshaun Watson guaranteed number.

And other owners, other organizations,

aren't going to look at that number as a real number.

They're going to go, that was an insanely unique situation

that I get everybody's pissed off about.

So if Lamar truly, truly wants that number,

then I don't think that he's going to be there next year. That's interesting you say, because when I was texting with Joe Burrow about that, he had a different mindset, and Taylor Heineke was telling me that he's going to free agency knowing that he actually would not want that same type of contract because the money is just too much and too much pressure.
So I thought it's interesting that you took that perspective when my friends are telling me otherwise. So that was three white athletes that you're friends with, PFT? Oh, I didn't even get to John Kuhn.
Blake Griffin. I haven't even opened up the can on fullbacks yet.
Blake Griffin. Blake Griffin is a man that I know.
Yep. I have many friends in the NBA.
I was just trying to help you out. Some of my best friends play basketball, Ryan.
He knows over nine basketball players. Lorenzo Neal.
Lorenzo Neal and I were just talking the other day about Lamar's contract. It's fascinating you brought that up.
I did hear a rumor, though, that Lamar has COVID, like long COVID. I don't know if it's true or not, but I recall last year when I first started to notice like the way that they talk about Lamar has COVID, like long COVID.
I don't know if it's true or not, but I recall last year when I first started to notice the way that they talk about Lamar is very weird and very different. The Ravens, yeah.
The Ravens. It was back, I want to say November of last year.
I even said on the show, I wouldn't be surprised if the Ravens were going to try to move him this offseason, and everyone thought I was insane. But it was just based on feel that the organization has been very strange with Lamar since at least, I don't know, the last 18 months or so.
PFT had it first. Since the butt issues started.
Facts. I feel like Big Cat just totally shut down.
No, I mean, PFT's right. I've been saying it for a while.
Yeah. I thought the stuff, when you combine it all together, you go, wait, we have a real thing here.
It was funny to see him in different jerseys and all that shit. But does that mean that people – okay, here's another one.
This is one of my other favorite ones. Like when you have a take on a quarterback – let's say you don't like the quarterback as much as the rest of the public does.
And then the team gets rid of him. It's kind of like my Kirk Cousins in Washington one.
I was like, I know he puts up some decent numbers, but I was like, wait. And they decided to be like, hey, we're just not going to have one instead of paying you.
Yeah. Doesn't that mean you win the argument? Is there a weird win in here for the people that weren't 100% in on Lamar if the Ravens are like, yeah, actually we are going to trade you.
Oh, they'll take it as a win. Yeah, they'll take it as a win for sure.
He's a running back. Yeah.
Yeah, the running back thing was literally a great hoodie. It was a comically historically inaccurate hoodie.
Do you know's funny, too, is with the Lamar stuff is now that Justin Fields is obviously the guy for the Bears, I find myself like I have to defend Lamar, too, because I hate when people are like, oh, he's a good running back. It makes me mad.
I get triggered, which isn't going to help because people are going to say more now. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? What do you want them to do with a number one pick? If they take Bryce Young, you are dot, dot, dot.
Fill it in. Mad Lib.
Well, I'll tell you what I want to do. And I know we've been going long here, but I'll tell you exactly what I want them to do.
Let me find. I actually got my GM hat on the other night.
And I did a mock draft. Yeah, so I traded with the Texans.
Then I flipped that to Seattle. Then I swapped it to Atlanta.
Then I traded with Detroit. And I got the Bears three 2023 first rounders in five 2024 first rounders.
So, oh, six 2024 first rounders. Pretty good, right? I think I could get it where the Bears have every pick in the next year's draft.
I'd be like, OKC. Yeah.
Do you think? Never have to draft. You just accumulate assets.
Yeah, right. Just keep getting it.
Keep getting assets. Yeah, I don't know what they're.
I mean, now we're just doing all football. Okay, well, here.
Let's bring it back. What if the Bears traded it for Chris Middleton to make sure that Justin Fields still doesn't have help? I like Chris Middleton.
He's fucking good. He's really good.
He's underrated. What if, hypothetically, the Bears wanted to get Giannis at tight end? Could they send anything to the Bucs of value? Could it be cash considerations? They should allow this.
They should absolutely allow. No, no.
We are now doing a thing that I've pitched to Simmons numerous times

where he'll text back and go, oh, that's a good idea,

and we don't ever do it.

Well, you should have listened.

What if you started doing multiple?

He doesn't value you, Ryan.

Not like us.

You need to stand up for yourself more.

You could be so good if he just let you be you.

That's such a great insult.

You could be so good.

If we just open it up to multiple franchise same-city trades.

Yeah.

Like, would you trade Justin Fields for LaMelo Ball right now, Big Cat?

No, I would not because I'm already dealing with Alonzo's knee injury.

What about, though, Zach Levine for Michael Gallup and Tony Pollard? I would do that in a second. You think that's enough? I don't think that's enough.
That might not be enough. But if we did this, if we actually did this, and say we get to be the GMs.
I would just trade all the assets on all the other teams

and try to win a championship with one team

and then just start over and do the – like, shuffle the deck

where it's like the Cubs win 60 games and the Bulls win 12,

but the Bears go 17-0.

And it gives you a nice break during the season, too.

Yeah, right, right.

Like, I think the real one for Boston fans would be like,

would you trade Tatum?

It'd have to be a three-teamer because you'd get Burrow from Cincinnati,

put them on the pats but that means

Thank you. The real one for Boston fans would be like, would you trade Tatum? It'd have to be a three-teamer because you'd get Burrow from Cincinnati, put him on the pats, but that means Tatum would have to get flipped somewhere else.
You'd have to maybe just give the Reds a starter. No, Tatum would just play for Kentucky.
Save Cal's job. Done.
Get colleges involved. Joe just actually texted me.
He said he doesn't see himself in a Matt Patricia offense

who said this?

Joe Burrow just texted me

so there's your answer

we should do

I thought you were reading it

I thought you were reading it as a text

from your non-white athlete friend

I thought you got really excited

this one's one of the whites

but we should do an extended

like everyone

I'm not going to, okay, but then the Reds are going to have to get like a, you're going to have to figure out a way then to make it a three-franchise thing where the Reds end up with something. Yeah, true.
All right. Yeah, you're right.
You're right. Who gets the worst in this deal? The Lakers trade Darvin Ham to the Rams for Sean McVay.
I think Sean McVay could win a title with the Lakers. Yeah, I'd say so, too.

I think McVay, if he's almost retiring every year now,

I'm pretty sure with this Lakers group,

he wouldn't make it through the full season.

Maybe.

I just love watching. What would you do?

See, I can't ask.

Kevin Durant to the Heat, Tua to the Jets.

Both teams get better.

Both teams get better.

That sounds like a good trade.

That's actually. Win-win.
I think Miami would do that. That'd be really really funny though.
I don't know. I don't know if they would do it.
I don't know if they would do it. Because then you also have to factor in how much each franchise means to a city.
So if I say to PFT, would you do Bradley Beal for Derek Carr? You'd be like done and done. That's such a depressing...
It's actually perfect to describe my best hopes and dreams as a DC sports fan. Wait, you don't want Derek Carr? I'm a Derek Carr guy now.
No. I mean, I would prefer Derek Carr to Carson Wentz, but if you're asking me if I think.
Would you? Well, brave. Yeah.
Well, I mean, I didn't want Carson Wentz last year. I want Derek Carr slightly more this offseason

than I wanted Carson Wentz last offseason.

What about Matthew Stafford retires Carson Wentz

for Russell Westbrook straight up?

To play basketball?

No.

Russell Westbrook goes to the Wizards.

Carson Wentz goes to the Rams.

Yes, yeah.

I mean, Westbrook was.

Just both take the problems.

He was on the Wizards for a while.

I'm coming home.

We can do the video.

Honestly, at least it's fine.

Wait, this is one of the few times we've found a Westbrook trade

that works for the team getting them.

You take our problem, we take yours.

Yeah.

I'm fine with that.

I would actually be very happy with that.

And then at least with the Wizards, if you have Westbrook,

then you go out to the games just to root for triple doubles.

Yeah.

We need to do this.

We need to do a full extended one.

We'll do it Super Bowl week where we just all bring our best trades yeah um ryan all right my my last last question uh do you do you want to apologize to us for stealing max homa yeah you kind of did somebody just tagged us in a tweet uh saying that that ryan's that we discovered max homa you know what and that it's not going to play with max you having on your show. So I feel like we need to now be defensive of Max Homa as our territory.
Well, can I just say, and I love Max, and I don't know if this is PC, but he's kind of a slut. I'm okay with it.
He's, listen, he's young. No, I love banging him.
He's learning his body. But he's kind of a slut.
Yeah. Phrasing.
Yeah, no, I phrased it correctly. I love my time I spend with Max Homa.
You guys really want to roll up the sleeves right now and fucking do this for real? No. Another two hours on this show.
No. What was the one that we...
You had a pretty tough cuck run with me. Yeah, we had like...
I finally called you and was like, are you fucking serious? Yeah, I was like, we're not doing this. Yeah.
I think you know how much our friendship has meant to us. It's kind of fast-forwarded.
It's weird to have friends later. But we don't have to run into each other, so it's not that much.
It's not like, oh, hey, we have to make sure we're checking on each other, that kind of stuff. But I appreciate our friendship quite a bit.
But between the LSU run and me having Houma on and me being like hey you guys should have homa on and then he's on sports center and sports center's like hey you're yucking it up there with the old uh the pardon my take guys i forgot about the lsu run we uh yeah we we did we caught you hard we caught you hard on lsu oh yeah that's whatelt Masters week? It was Van Pelt Masters where I was like, yeah, you know what? This is, yeah. And I think it also was Anik.
I think we had Anik right before you had. We had Anik on a Monday morning.
But he was like our second guest ever. Yeah, you barely know him.
He and I worked together in 2003. I know him longer than everybody else.
I know, I know. no there's a there's a long list that if i were younger i probably would then try to like be like okay we're going to war but i have other hobbies well luckily and also i think that our friendship always goes back to the to the core foundation of uh all three of our mutual hatred for like the majority of the rest of media.
Yeah, that's also true. So it's like, should I be mad at my friend or should I keep being mad at the people I fucking actually hate in sports media? But it was the only time where I think I called you and was like, hey, does your dick move when you have Van Pelt on Masters Week? Knowing that that's like, if there's a guy that's my guy, that's kind of my guy.
And then to Big Cat's credit, he was like a little. It moves a little.
Yeah, I was like, yeah, a little bit. Maybe I need to sharpen.
Iron sharpens iron. So maybe that's my fault.
Can you give us your title pick? We haven't done ours because it's the NBA preview. I'm going to go You know what? I think this is the year.
I'm going to go Suns over Nets. I'm going to go Nuggets.
This is my third year in a row picking the Nuggets. I'm staying on them.
Nuggets How about this? Nuggets over Suns. Imagine if the Suns win and I take a victory lap.
That would actually piss you off so bad. No, it wouldn't.
I would be so happy for Chris Paul. I don't give a shit what other prices pay.
If Denver's in the NBA Finals, we'll do a live show. Herbs, all three of us.
Yes, in Menver, yes. Nuggets, I love watching them.
They're actually fun. People don't talk about the altitude in Denver.
Hey, when you did your Denver live show, how many different drugs were handed to you? This is a coolness test. Because we had, by our count, I think four different.
Cocaine, mushrooms. Somebody hand me Viagra.
Yeah, and then there was weed, obviously. Yeah.
Is that because that picture the other day, the 50-year-old lady picture, which actually wasn't inaccurate? Oh, the one where I looked like an old lady somehow? Yeah. You got to get boned up.
By somehow, I mean like, yeah, I know I actually just look like an old lady now. It was really weird because I thought, oh, here's a guy.
Here's just a guy giving PFT the what for. And I i was like it's actually fairly accurate uh on the

coolness factor it was a tuesday night and i had like 15 plus dudes that were my boys off in the

corner uh their wives weren't thrilled with that crew on on a tuesday night into a wednesday morning

out of nowhere deal uh but i wasn't offered any drugs oh yeah we gotta we gotta get those numbers

up yeah that's tough because ours was on a tuesday too so not even winstraw yeah i would have been

Thank you. any drugs.
Oh, yeah. We got to get those numbers up.
Yeah, that's tough because ours was on a Tuesday, too.

So not even Winstroll.

Yeah.

I would have been psyched, especially with the altitude.

Yeah.

All right. So give us your finals and then we'll end it.

Do not rule out Golden State.

No, no.

Give us your finals.

Boston over Memphis.

There it is.

That'd be a fun series.

What about?

It'd be fucking awesome.

What about NHL Stanley Cup finals preview? Yeah, let's get it all done. That'd be a fun series.
It'd be fucking awesome. What about NHL, Stanley Cup finals preview?

Yeah, let's get it all done.

Who do you got?

And then Masters.

Also Australian Open if you want to throw that in there.

You know what?

Let's save it.

Okay.

All of our previews.

This has been a fantastic NBA preview.

It's just actually the sports year preview.

Yeah.

With Ryan Russillo.

We just covered all our bases because we do. I'd get tweets being like, you guys ever going to talk about the NBA? It's like, bro, football's still on.
No, I get tweets too. I got tweets when it was like, oh, hey, I can't believe those guys on Fox took that headlines today, tomorrow bit from, pardon my take.
Oh, no. That was an instance where Colin stole from both of us independently.
Yeah. He did a mashup.
I'm going to stick up for Colin. It is not Colin.
Whoever it was took your segment, tomorrow's headlines today, and then took our headline and then mashed them up together into one giant ball of theft. It's like White Panda.
Oh, they took your headline. Yeah, the actual headline we talked about on Friday with our guest Booger, who, I don't know, we should introduce you to him.
He's actually a good friend of mine. Booger's a good friend of mine.
We hang out all the... BFT found one.
Me and Booger donated $20,000 to the NAACP together two years ago. Ever heard of it? Wow Guilty conscience.
I did. I saw Ravel tweet about it.

Wait.

Stanley Cup.

I'm not locked in.

I know the Bruins are on fire.

Fired up.

I don't know who's.

I know the Kings have had a decent record.

Let's go Boston Kings.

Okay.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

My two homes.

All right.

So that was it.

We did the whole preview. So baseball.
It's going to be called the four board finals. Oh, wow.
Okay. My two homes.
All right. So that was it.
We did the whole preview. So we did all the baseball.
It's going to be called the four-bort finals. Ooh.
Yeah, baseball. Give us baseball real quick.
Dude, fuck off. All right.
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We got some business we have to attend to. So to recap, if anyone hasn't been following, we have our bowling bet, which we can announce January 31st, correct? PFT's birthday.
We will be live, bowling, bowl a row. That's perfect.
I used to always want to have a birthday party at the bowling alley. Yeah, it's going to be great.
So we'll get pizza. We'll have a great time.
PFT and I will be calling Max and Jake trying to bowl. We made an extra bet.
Not the whole time. Not the whole time, but some of it.
We made an extra bet where if Jake beat PFT and I in picks this weekend, PFT and I would eat six hot dogs each at our own pace during Jake's bowling quest. So that would take 60 pins off at our own pace.
And if PFT and I won, Jake would have to go to Kansas City for the Chiefs game. Shout out game time.
We're going to get great prices if he has to go. Dressed as a felon, Chiefsaholic.
He has to wear it on the plane. He has to go to the game.
We ended up tying. We both went, what, three and four.
Three and four, yeah. Three and four.
So we ended up tying. Shout out Brett Marr.
He got us to this tie, because if he had hit any of his extra points, we would have lost. Unreal.
Unreal. I didn't realize that.
Yeah, literally if you hit one of them. No, it's fate.
Yeah, one of them. It's destiny, for sure.
And Bucks missed a two-point conversion. Yep.
So, yeah. It was the perfect way that we could get here is the coin flip.
So, we're going to do seven game series of coin flips to decide who wins the bet. Also, tune in this for Friday's show.
We're going to do the Ray Allen bet where anyone who wants to get involved, it will be whoever loses the most games has to tweet out the Ray Allen tweet. I did the tweet, by the way.
Did you guys see it? What? The Ray Allen tweet. What tweet? You tweeted it? I did the Ray Allen tweet.
Oh, the highlight of the game against the Spurs. Yeah, anytime someone asks now, I'm just going to quote tweet it with the three against the Spurs.
That's dirty. Got it.
But wait, wait, Big Cat. No, it's whoever wins gets to tweet out the Ray Allen tweet this weekend.
Oh, yeah, whoever wins. Whoever wins gets to do it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we'll figure out how we're going to do those picks.
But the business at hand is we have to figure out if Jake and Billy are going to Kansas City or if PFT and I are eating hot dogs. I actually think that we should just go anyway, me and you, PFT.
Billy was shaking his head because a second ago I told him, like we were planning out this weekend, right? And Billy's been I know that he didn't really want to come to the stream last weekend, which is fine.

He doesn't have to.

Well, it's birthday weekend.

Yeah, it's not part of his job to come to the streams.

And so I.

Yeah, kind of is.

Well, he did.

Okay, so he missed out on last weekend's stream.

I was there the whole time.

Big Cat, you were there the whole time.

And I was thinking to myself, like, Kansas City Chiefs, what are they known for?

Beer and meat. A lot of meat.
And I was like, that's kind of Kansas City Chiefs, what are they known for? Beer and meat.

A lot of meat.

And I was like, that's kind of my thing is beer and meat.

Yeah.

So I was thinking Jake and I, we travel really well together, right?

So you're going to go with the boo bet was a very successful piece of video.

Yeah.

So we work well together on the road.

But then it's like, Big Cat,

when was the last time you got to go see a game live?

Yeah, live.

So you and I will take Jake instead of Billy. Yeah.
That's perfect. I think that's fair, right? Yeah, that's absolutely fair.
Like we want to turn this trip into great content. Yeah, we should go.
And so I would love to go down to this game. I was actually initially joking about it, but then I realized, wait a second, this is the Saturday early game.
I could definitely make it down there for that. We're back in this office before kickoff for the first game Sunday.
Yeah, easily. So, Billy, you're cool with this, right? Me and PFT swapping in? Yes.
Right now, you have any chance you want to tell us that you're not cool with it? I'm just never going to get excited about anything again. Billy, I'm not going.
Don't worry. I might go.
I can't speak for BFD. I know BFD is actually going to go.
Billy, it's okay. You said that you had big plans for this trip.
I tweaked out when I got a little sense that this might be happening. Watch it on PNTV.
Yeah. Was it? Where was it? Was it? Out of three quarters of a hot sauce.

Yeah, I was going to say 10 is a hot sauce.

It was a seven and a half.

Six.

It was getting up to like an eight or a nine.

He had to excuse himself from the room.

Oh, yeah, that's a hot sauce. It was up to like an eight or a nine.

You went full hot.

I didn't go full hot sauce.

PNTV was like, sit down.

I'm not sitting down.

It was a medium.

And then guess what happened?

He stepped to?

It was a medium.

I told him to sit down, and then guess what happened?

He sat down.

He sat down. If there was hot, mild, medium, this was a medium.
And then guess what happened? He stepped to? It was a medium. I told him to sit down, and then guess what happened? He sat down.
He sat down. If there was hot, mild, and medium, this was a medium.
Yeah. Okay.
But you did calm down after you sat down. I can see the residuals right now.
It was definitely a hot. You guys knew I was getting excited for this.
Last night in the group chat, I was getting super excited. I kind of wanted to make it look like a Vice documentary of like the real mascots and we were like getting inclined with them like because they do do some crazy stuff this was one of my favorite i was embedded with these super fans that are like absolute nutcases i i just like had this vision in my head that would have been fun but you know if you do go are you gonna be able to do that vision and the jets new york media vision i time there time? There's a lot on your plate.
A lot of visions. The only thing that's been stopping this Jets thing has been all my new plans that pop up.
Yeah, right. You've been working too hard.
I never saw that one coming. My procrastination for this Jets thing I'm doing has been just great ideas all around.
You just got too much on your vision board. Yeah.
It's a curse that your brain is so good that you're coming up with all these great ideas. To procrastinate.
Yeah. this I was kind of Not to go idea that takes a lot of work I'm kind of rooting for Jake and Billy to go Just because I do I mean it's like Albert Einstein Couldn't tie his shoes Right But he invented the nuclear bomb Right No he didn't You're waiting Well he helped Yeah He started You're waiting for your own Operation Paperclip Billy Nope not, not that one As a doc head, I love docs And Billy last night said this And I haven't really stopped thinking about it Where did he say this? In the group text Is this in the group text that we saw that picture of you standing next to Jerry Jones He said we are literally going to do A vice type immersion Into what these super fans get to.
We're going to put the meth in method acting. Okay.
And now, to do that, are you going to be... I'm not really selling you going on this trip right now.
Yeah. Are you also going to be drinking? It's going to be fun.
Because I feel like you're going to show up, and someone's going to hand you a nice ice-cold Coors Light. It's like, right? As you're leaving the stadium, you're like,

yo, bro, can you make a quick TikTok real quick?

That's the video.

Yeah.

If you can secure Jackson Mahomes to do a TikTok with.

He's actually, kudos to them.

Is he back?

He's back.

I think he's back for the playoffs.

I know, but he's like, honestly, he's like out of respect for his brother.

He's kind of toned it down. I don't know if that.
Well, I don't know. down I don't know if that I don't know if it was a respect for brother or told not to I don't know If you can secure doing a joint TikTok With Jackson Mahomes I'll let you go to this And we are a Jackson Mahomes podcast And Brittany too But I still want to do the PMTV Okay It's going to be sick I'll try to get that TikTok We're going to do a documentary Oh, I, I like, but I still want to do the PMTV.
Okay.

Yeah.

It's going to be sick.

I'll try to get that tick tock.

What do you mean?

We're going to do a documentary.

Oh, I don't want to put too much on your plate.

Yeah.

That sounds like a lot.

No, no, no. That's not.

Okay.

You know what?

See if you can deliver.

All right.

So I'm not going.

It's fine.

No, no.

I got really excited for it.

Well, we don't know.

We don't know.

We don't know.

I'm just putting it down.

Right now.

I'm not going no matter what.

I've already dealt with my, I'm not going to get excited. I'm not excited.
Your emotions. Okay.
And you've dealt with them well. Here.
Okay. The coin flip.
Seven-game series. How do you want to decide who gets to call? I think we should go classic NBA Finals 2-3-2.
I like 2-3-1-1-1. Okay, all right.
2-3-1-1-1. 2-2-1-1-1.
I said classic. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. But now we need to figure out who the home team is, so I was thinking that we flip for the home team to see who gets home.
Yeah. All right, so why don't you get what would you like for the home team? This is to pick.
This is to pick. We'll give you the ability to pick.
You're getting the temporary one seed to call this. So you get the first two picks.
Okay. So I'm calling the air.
Every flip is going to be the same. It's going to be in my hand.
I wonder if it falls. Void? No.
Come on, bro. Okay.
He's not going to drop it. All right.
You ready? Yeah. Tails.
It's tails. All right.
So I get to pick game one. Do you want to be home? Or defer? I'll be home.
Okay. Memes, do you want to stand over here? Why don't you get over here so I can show you the coin after every flip? All right, you're home.
The first game is up. What is your pick? New series.
I said in the air or I said before? Whatever you want to do. Tails.
Okay. Should have said in the air.
Don't break your apple that's a heads we're up one night nice love it we just stole home field we're the ones series doesn't start until the road team wins okay we just did yeah so seriously so you're officially on and we just took the one seed from you yeah we did all right would you like to call in the air before? Before. Okay.
What would you like to call? Tails. Okay.
That's a heads. 2-0.
Oh, wow. Oh, no.
Just took home advantage. Wait, Billy, how are you feeling right now? Billy's rude.
I'm so goddamn confused. We're up 2-0.
What? Well, I don't even know if I'm going. Oh, all right.
We're up 2-0. Ever since since i sat down i've been a whirlwind of like billy relax it's not about you we're up to nothing for jake if we beat jake he has to go to kansas city yes we don't know who's joining me yet correct correct uh pft why don't you call for us okay i'll call it all right it's been it's been heads twice in a row it's been heads twice in a row wow that's a lot of pressure on you do you want to talk about what we want to call? No, I think we know.
There's a lot of options we can go with. We go heads, we go tails, we go tails, we go heads.
Yeah. Call it in the air.
In the air, like a man. Tails.
Never fails. It's a tails.
Yeah, of course it is. 3-0.
Of course it is. You got to pick tails.
3-0. 3-0.
3-0. 3-0.
Break out the rooms. Is this going to be a sweep? Yeah.
Billy's freaking out. I just want Jake to win now.
All right, ready? I don't want to get the FOMO. It's game four.
Billy Waltz no trick. I mean, it's game four.
Ready? FOMO would be terrible. Yep.
Tails. It's a heads.
3-1. Oh, no.
Most dangerous lead in all sports. Don't let this distract you.
Wait, is it 1-1-1? Okay, 1-1-1. So it's Jake now.
My turn. Series shifts back.
Got chill in the bump tonight. Pedro tomorrow.
Game 7, anything can happen. Game 5.
Would you like to call it before? Cowboy up, Jake. I'll call it in the air.
You sure? I'm sure. You sure you sure? I'm sure.
I'm sure. Okay.
Ready? Yep. Tails.
It's a tails. Oh.
Three, two. The series moves back.
Oh, my God. PFT, we got to get this one.
Hank, you should bring back Cowboy up for your boys. It's a nice little tie in with Boston.
Oh, that's a good call. Yeah.
PFT, I don't want to go back on the road. No.
I don't want to go back on the road. I'm not packing a suit to go back.
I'm going to bring

one suit to Dallas.

Pat Riley.

Yep.

All right.

Oh, man.

Oh, boy.

Okay.

Are you going to call it?

No, you're going to call it.

I'm just getting myself prepped.

Mittily prepared.

It's 3-2.

3-2 in favor of the cat

and the commenter.

I'm ready.

The cat and the commenter.

All right.

You ready?

Here we go.

Mr. Cot and Mr.
Commenter.

Tails.

It's tails.

It's got to be tails.

It's heads.

Thank you. I'm ready.
The cat and the commenter. You ready? Here we go.
Mr. Cometor.
Tails. It's tails.
It's got to be tails. It's heads.
Fuck. It's 3-3.
Oh, my God. You've got to be kidding me.
2004 Red Sox or Game 7. Hey, the league's loving this.
They got a Game 7. Shut up, Jake.
The coin rigged. Would you like to call it in the air or before? You guys can't blow a 3-0.
PMT rigged. This sucks.
For ratings. This sucks.
I'm going to get triggered if we lose this. Actually, the best thing for ratings would probably be just have it be 4-0.
Billy, where are you feeling? How are you feeling? That's true. I'm not getting excited for anything.
I'm losing. I don't even know what's winning and what's losing.
Yeah, a win for Billy? Let's let Billy call the last one. We can.
Why not? Why can't we have him call it? I'm fine. Actually, tell you what.
You guys can discuss. No, I want just Billy.
Just Billy. So that way if he loses, it's his fault.
Billy, you call this one in the air. So if I get it, we go? No, it's not This is just for me This is just for me But you're the honorary picker If you get it, you don't go So you want to pick whichever one you think is But if he doesn't get it, he might not go either Correct I just drank a ton of pre-workout If you get it, Billy, if you get Billy, if you get this, you got to assume they're fucking with you and you're going to go.
I don't know. I don't know.
If you get this, Jake wins and you are guaranteed to not go. So I want to pick the wrong thing? Correct.
You still might not go if you pick the wrong thing. Billy, pick this.
Billy, this is the thing you were born to do. All right, you ready, Billy?

You just got to be wrong once.

You ready?

Okay.

Would you like to call it in the air? In the air?

Or before?

You can call it before.

I'm going to call it in the air.

All right.

Ready?

Yeah.

Heads.

It's heads.

Jake is not going.

Billy, how could you do that?

Congrats, Jake.

Billy, how could you do that?

Billy, I was going to let you go to Kansas City.

You fucked that up so bad, Billy.

I was fucking.

Billy, you fucked that up so bad.

I was fucking with you the entire time, Billy.

Oh, man.

You think I want to go travel on one weekend where I get to chill out?

No, man.

I got dinner plans Friday. And now I'm going to be.
I'm just going to say it right now. I hate Jake's face.
I hate him. I have to go for the AWLs.
No, you're not going. Shut up.
It's a bet. A bet? No, I don't.
There's nothing worse than a bet that's being like, wow, we'll do both sides. No, no, no.
Bet's a bet. A bet's a bet.
PFC and I will eat six hot dogs each. Well, a bet's a bet, too.
We had the football bet. Yeah, but this added an element to it.
That was just a whole other addition bet. You guys are not going, and we're going to eat six hot dogs, and it sucks.
I might still go. Everything sucks.
I was looking at barbecue places all week. Everything sucks.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I might go to Kansas City. If we have any listeners, I don't know.
Do you think we have any AWLs in Kansas City? If we do, hit me up and let me know if there are any fun things to do in Kansas City,

specifically revolving around meat, drinking, having a good time, hanging out, that sort

of thing is kind of what I'm looking for this weekend.

So if there's anybody out there like that, just let me know.

But I'm probably not.

This is really disappointing.

This is really disappointing.

You've disappointed all the AWLs, Jake, to the utmost. Didn't you just say it would be Billy's fault? No, it's your fault now.
I've decided. I'm willing to pay on my own and go and do this content.
I'm serious. You're fired if you go.
You better not step foot in Kansas City this weekend. You're banned from Kansas and Missouri.
I'mhmm. Whoa.
Yeah. All right.
I'm going to eat those hot dogs so slow. I'm going to get giant hot dogs.
I'm going to have six huge hot dogs. I'm going to get a hot dog from every borough in New York delivered.
It's going to take a while. You got one from Staten Island? I'm going to have Frank deliver my hot dogs to me one at a time, so he's going to leave and go get the hot dogs and then come back with a hot dog.
But at least you'll get pins off from us. Yeah.
I mean I think the AWL deserve extra content. So I don't know how we can.
Yeah, you could do the Ray Allen tweet. That's great.
That's not content. That's great.
Not content. That's perfect content.
That is not content. I thought this Kansas City thing was in the same category as the dip, as the boobs, like funny but not crossing the line.
My line. Yeah.
That's why it was. It's okay.
The coin doesn't lie. Yeah.
We can't go against a bet. It just is what it is.
You guys go to a regular season game next year or something. Won't't be as fun.
Yeah. All right.
That's really disappointing. I'm disappointed.
I'm personally disappointed. We should have picked better.
I was going to call Tails if it was my pick. Well, it wasn't.
And PFT would have called Tails. So, Billy, back to Billy.
Billy's 100% to blame. You know what it is, too? Tails never fails.
And I hate to say that Billy's brain is this simple.

Wait, wait.

What did you just say?

Tails never fails.

So I picked heads because we wanted to lose.

Oh, got it, got it.

Okay.

All right.

Are you sure you did that, though?

Because you peeked at what the coin was on my thumb, and it was heads. And I was like, what is he doing?

You got it in your own head?

What are you talking about?

You looked at the coin when I was about to flip.

Thank you. it was on my thumb and it was heads and i i was like what is he doing you got in your own head what are you talking about you so you looked at the coin when i was about to flip yeah i saw it heads and you're like oh it must be tails because wait no tails never fails right so i always perfect no i know you're trying to lose yeah god damn it that's a bummer it is that Memes and I, like, time around a week.
Great job, Billy. Memes, are you happy or are you sad? Memes is devastated.
Memes has never been to an NFL game. Wow.
I mean, I guess Billy could go. Billy and Memes could go.
You think so? There's no Jake. You think Billy's earned it? I don't know.

Why don't we flip a coin?

I actually have to do Billy's review soon.

Why don't we flip a coin? Yeah, let's flip a coin to see if Billy and memes can go.

Billy, you get to call it.

If you're right, you get to go.

Jake's not going.

Jake's out.

Jake's out.

We're eating the six hot dogs.

That part is just final.

No negotiations.

But Billy, if you're wrong, you have to do the first day with Jake oh I like the twist it's one day pretty much and you're not allowed to drink beer yeah I love this first day you have to do one day with Jake now you can't drink any of the here's an extra one Jake will you will you do the right thing? Because Billy saved you there. Would you donate either my hot dogs or PFT's hot dog to Billy? So I would have to eat six and take off? No, no.
He would eat six for you. I'd eat six for Billy.
Oh, okay. So it would be 30 pins off.
Yeah. I would take that deal.
Okay, great. All right.
I also, I'm still saying, like, for the AWLs, I'm willing to do this.

You can't go.

Okay.

Because we have to keep the bet.

But Billy would go as a different video.

It's like he's not dressing up.

He's going to do his Vice documentary.

Oh, okay.

But he can also dress up.

He can dress up, but you have to do your Vice documentary.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

No, you can't dress up as Chiefs of Hawks.

What about?

We have to keep that punishment on the line. What about X Factor? Yeah.
That's perfect. Okay.
Perfect. All right.
Or Red Extreme. All right, Billy.
Wait, wait. Could I do both? What? No.
No. No.
No. No.
This is the last coin flip. We're done after this.
You can elect not to flip a coin, too. You can say, no, those stakes are too high for me.
Look, it would be a great thing because if you lose this, you having to do the bowling challenge with them is going to be very funny. Does just the first day? Well, it's going to be one day.
Just the first day. Does memes get to come to Kansas City? Yeah, you and memes.
You need a camera person. Yes.
Okay. What are you thinking?

Heads or tails?

You have to get this right to go to Kansas City. So this is a trip or the punishment?

Nothing in between.

Correct.

Yep.

Gonna go with tails.

All right.

Gonna go with tails.

It's a working trip, though.

Gonna go with tails.

Never fails.

It is a working trip, Billy.

I know.

We need the Vice.

We need the Vice video.

Drowns.

Hank is obsessed with this Vice idea. I just love Vice documentaries.
They're so serious. Why did you flip? It's tails.
No, it's heads. You lost.
It was heads. But you flipped it twice.
I know. I was trying to get it so you could go, but it's heads.
You're bowling. What? Meme saw it on camera.
It's heads. It was heads twice? It was heads.
It was heads. You lost.
You're bowling. So this just turned from Billy going on a trip to Billy.
No, this is great. Last place with me.
And you get less help. Yeah, this is great.
Oh, I get a little less help. You get a little less help.
My only punishment from today's events. Sorry, Billy.
30 pins. Memes, you saw it.
It was heads first. We gave you an opportunity.
We were almost too fair about that. I was trying to get you to win.
I flipped again because I was like, ah, let's get it to tails. But no, it was heads.
It was heads. Go watch the tape.
It was heads. I'm not.
It was heads. The coin really doesn't want us to go to a football game.
Any of us. All.
All right. So this is actually good for the A.W.L.
So because now you got Billy Max and Jake Bowling and Jake and Billy don't. They have.
We each get 30 pins off. You get 30 pins off when we finish our hot dogs.
So anyone who says that we've now helped them out, we've actually made it worse for everyone. Pretty much.
And no trap. Billy, if you put together...
Billy, if you...

Billy, I'll say this, Billy.

If you put together an actual plan,

I think going to the AFC Championship game,

which actually would be very interesting

to see Chiefs fans not out in a neutral site.

Well, they have to win.

Yeah, I know.

True.

I'm saying, you could maybe go to the AFC Championship game.

I need to see a real actual plan of what you want to do. Oh, he's got a plan.
Because it is expensive. We can only send Frank to the Dolphins for two quarters.
Maybe we can flip for it again next week. We'll do it if you guys do a divisional round competition.
Yeah, we can maybe give you that chance, Billy. So, you know, hold on to that thought.
Hold on to that thought. All right.
Let's wrap the show up. If you win, if it's Bengals, Chiefs, if you win, you have to go as X-Factor.
Let's worry about that. You have to go as Harambe.
All right. I mean, the Bengals are going to beat the Bills.
We've already seen it. Yeah, that's true.
7-3. Yeah, history repeats.
And driving. Yeah.
Numbers. Hank, have you ever gotten this? No.
17. Shout out to my sister.
It's her birthday. Oh, shout out.
17th. 17th.
One time. One time, Natty.
Yeah. Jose is the 17th.
18th. Wow.
If you were ever going to get it, you're on a hot streak. Your Cowboys Super Bowl ticket cashed.
I could cash out, but I'm not going to. No, why would you?

They're going to win the Super Bowl.

92.

20.

I'll go 71.

69.

Four for memes.

All-time bag fumbled by Billion.

You've never gotten this?

No, I've never gotten it.

By the way, the safe is here, and it is fully paid up.

It's like 57.

57. Fuck that.
57. Not even.
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Slowly learn

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