Kirk Herbstreit, Week 18 Picks & Preview And The Bet Comes Down To It + Fyre Fest Of The Week

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Today is Friday, January 6th, and we have some awesome news with the Damar Hamlin situation.

He has woken up.

He also, it was reported that when he woke up, he's communicating via pen and paper, and he asked the first question, who won the game? Football guy of the millennium. It's crazy.
I'm very glad to hear this. I think this is the update that we were all hoping to hear, and it took a while, but fortunately it sounds like he's making progress in the right direction.
Anytime you're in critical condition, you don't want to say that he's in the clear totally, but it sounds like things are going definitely in the right direction. The doctor's response to it was a little cheesy.
Yeah, but that's okay. They said, yeah, it's okay.
Yes, Damar, you have won. And he was probably like, sick, fuck the Bengals.
You have won the game of life. And he's like, oh, okay.
What about the real game? It was awesome. It's great.
So the Bills, they were told that last night, and so they were finally able to take a deep breath. It sounds like they're doing practice today, and then you're going back to the normal media availability as best that they can.
It's the best possible outcome we could have all hoped for in terms of where we were at on Monday night and what transpired the couple days after. I'm just so happy that it happened this way.
I would like to see. Selfishly, I hope that they have a camera on him when they tell him that his charity got $6 million worth of donations in the last two days.
And he's like, that's too many toys. And he's like, wait, thank you to Carpet Man Flooring for giving me $5 more than the Washington Commanders organization did.
Yes. Fart box 69.
Yeah. 25 bucks.
I appreciate you. Appreciate that.
Shout out. But so now, by the way, you have a sticker under your hat.
It's going to drive me crazy for us. That's how the kids are wearing.
No, no, no. That one is not.
On the bill? On the bottom. Yeah.
Yeah. No.
That's how you do it. They wear it on top.
They wear it on top. I do mine on bottom.
Can you at least press it in? It's going to drive me nuts. If you're watching on YouTube, I'm honoring Buster from Dave & Buster's.
He passed away a couple days ago, a recurring guest on the show, so I'm wearing my Dave & Buster's hat. Let me see now.
How about now? All right. You look better.
You look better. All right.
So now not to get all Skip Bills, we can talk about what's going to happen with the Bills and Bengals. So the game is canceled, and there's a bunch of things.
Officially? I think it has been officially. They said that they're not going to.
All the things are trending towards a no contest. They're not going to play it this week.
We know that. Right.
But I think it seems like they're not going to play it at all. I think there's a couple things that were thrown out that are interesting.
There's an idea that potentially the first and second seed, so it would be the Bills and the Chiefs, they get to decide. So I think they would let the Bills decide first because they beat the Chiefs.
Whether they want home field advantage throughout the playoffs or a bye. And then the other team gets whichever one they didn't pick.
And the other team gets to host the AFC Championship game if you choose to get the bye. Which is a crazy thing because who wouldn't pick the less games? Yeah, you'd take the bye.
You'd take the bye all the time. There's no chance you wouldn't take the bye.
I think you'd take the bye. There was another suggestion that it might come down to a ping pong ball to determine who gets in.
And wouldn't that just be the ultimate big cat if our buddy Hank lost out on the playoffs with the Patriots due to a ping pong ball machine? All right, so odds are Chiefs get the one seed, evens are Bills get the one seed. Hank, you can guess the number.
And it counts? Yeah. 17.
Odds are Chiefs, even his bills. 51.
Chiefs have the one suit. Okay.
Unfortunately. That's the part of my...
We just... NFL, if you'd like to use this footage and have this be the deciding factor.
As reported first and part of my take. Yeah.
Although it would be very appropriate if they did the ping pong ball machine. It turns out Hank was wrong and the Bills get home field.
It is crazy that there's so much at stake with these three teams and the AFC playoffs being so loaded. And also the second seed having to play the Bengals, which I think the way they've kind of shook it all out, it feels like the Bengals might just have the third seed.
I will get woke for a second because wouldn't it be perfect if the NFL didn't even have to deal with this situation and the Las Vegas Raiders beat the Chiefs and the Ravens beat the Bengals? That would be interesting. That would be interesting, wouldn't it? Because that would mean that the Bills, even if they forfeited the game against the Bengals, and the Bills beat the Patriots.
So the Bills would have three losses. Chiefs would have four.
Bengals would have five. There's no way that the Bills, even if they lost the game to the Bengals, could lose the tiebreaker to the Chiefs.
Problem solved. That does make a lot of sense.
Counterpoint, Jared Stidham versus Patrick Mahomes. Counterpoint, Jared Stidham might be next up.
He might be, yeah. Jared Stidham.
There's another report. So there's a bunch of different ways that you can look at this.
What did you say, Hank? He said Jared Stidham. I said Jared Stidham.
Well, I used to call him that before him was really in the vernacular. Yeah yeah okay yeah so you were just early to it yeah well he was yeah used to be the pats back up okay so uh there's another possible outcome that we can have here this is the one that I think that they should do this seems to be the most fair one they are considering giving eight seeds in the AFC as well as the NFC oh because that that would would be more fair.
You can't just have the number one seed in the NFC get a leg up and get that bye week if the AFC doesn't get it. Right.
So I think that that's the fairest way to go about it. More football.
Oh, this is crazy. The Washington Commanders are now back in the hunt for the playoffs.
And wouldn't that be wild? The Jets would be in the hunt too. If week one, excuse me, wildcard weekend, Commanders versus Eagles rematch, and the Commanders have a chance to take them out.
Max, I think that's fair. Listen, some things are bigger than sports, and we've gone through an unprecedented week in the NFL, and we're just glad that for the health and safety of the players, that Hamlin's doing well.
That's great news. So let's not make this like a big bickering, squabbling thing about how we can make sure that the Eagles are favored by the league.
I'm happy DeMar Hamlin's okay. And? Mm-hmm.
And I'm happy that DeMar Hamlin is okay. That seems to be fair, though, right? Because the AFC would need eight seeds, potentially.
Then the NFC would need to also have their eight seeds. Makes perfect sense.
Yeah, perfect sense. I wouldn't.
Yeah. But it's for DeMar Hamlin.
You know that. Yeah, that would be correct.
It's like the opposite of Orlovsky praying on air. You're actually saying, you want DeMar Hamlin to go back into a coma.
Is what you're saying. I'm happy that he's okay.
You don't sound happy right now. You don't sound happy.
That's not how I usually express happiness. Max, put the camera on yourself so people can see how not happy you are.
I'm happy he's okay. I don't know what else you're going to say.
I just think that's the most fair way to do it, eight seeds from each. It's going to be funny, though, because even if it was eight seeds, Rivera would probably start Carson Wentz again.
Not touch the NFC. The other one that I actually like, I think that actually probably makes the most sense, if the Chiefs, Bengals, or Bills, if any three of those teams are involved with each other

in the AFC Championship game, they played a neutral site, which kind of rules.

And maybe do it in New York.

We get to go to the game.

That would really rule.

What would the neutral site be?

I don't know.

I think they would have to do outdoor because all three teams.

I would say Miami as a possibility.

No, come on.

Don't be selfish. January? Don't be think that I gotta have elements I think the league would scheduled indoors you know the league yeah but elements all three teams are outdoor cats but I don't think that Goodell would care about that the answer is Goodell would care about them being able to sell the game and sell tickets to a warm city let's be honest the answer is Detroit because it's always Detroit for these games and then we'd also have the joke of

this team has won more games in

Detroit, playoff games in Detroit than Detroit in the

last 30 years. Yeah.
You just gotta

always fall back to what is the trivia

answer that would hurt Detroit the

most. It's like, yeah, the Chiefs have won more

games in Detroit. So

yeah.

Whatever they do, people will be pissed. Yeah,

there's no good way to do it.

There is no excellent solution

to it. Well, there is.
Except for the eight seeds in each

Thank you. Yeah.
Whatever they do, people will be pissed. Yeah, there's no good way to do it.
Like, there is no excellent solution to it. Well, there is.
Except for the eight seeds in each conference. Well, no, there is an excellent solution.
Tinfoil cap back on. Raiders win.
Ravens win. Bills win.
That is the easiest way to do it. And then they don't have to worry about anything.
Hmm. Hmm.
Just throwing it out there. Wouldn't that be interesting? Wouldn't that be interesting? Say that again? The Raiders win.
Yeah, Hank, put it in a parlay. The Raiders win.
The Ravens win. And the Bills win.
I'm looking up who the Raiders Chiefs referees are going to be this weekend. That would be interesting.
Who's the hatchet man for the NFL? Like they've got in the NBA, they've got Scott Foster that gets the call. It would be interesting.
That's all I'm going to say. It would be interesting.
It would be very interesting. Very interesting.
Plus 1926. Plus 1926.
Hmm. Hmm.
Hmm. Hmm.
I actually think you might not even need the Bills and Bengals part of that because you might not need the Bengals part of that because I think the Bills would win tiebreaker. I don't know how all these tiebreakers work because it would be a three-way tie at 12-4 or whatever it is, 13-4.
Either way, they will probably have a decision. What do you think, in the next 24 hours? Probably.
So we'll see what happens with the playoffs. Because there are implications about how these teams are going to be playing this weekend based on what the playoffs are going to be.
So you can't sit certain guys if it does impact your seating. Right.
Like if the Bills have to win this game to have a chance at the 1C, they've got to win this game. Exactly.
I mean, the Bengals are going to try to win the AFC North anyway because the Bengals are playing. If the Bengals lose to the Ravens, I don't know.
Yeah, all this stuff confuses me. It's all winning percentage and numbers that don't make sense to me.
I've got the referee. It's going to be Scott Novak, Chiefs Raiders.
If the Raiders are going to win this game, he is the key, Scott Novak. Let's look and see what he's invested in.
He's from Las Vegas, right? Yeah. The picture that they have on footballzebras.com, he's actually the guy that wears the gorilla mask in the black hole.
He's at a craps table with the gorilla mask on. Yeah, he's got the gorilla mask on.
He's got spike shoulder pads. I'm just saying.
Oh, here's a surveillance photo at P.F. Chang's with Mark Davis.
Yeah, so the dominoes could start falling as early as Saturday if that happens. I'm just throwing it out there.
Buster Olney's in the background doing the chop. Very interesting.
All right, so week 18, we got a bunch of games that mean absolutely nothing. We have a few games that mean absolutely everything.
For anyone who hasn't been, I assume most people have just been looking at the playoff simulators constantly. So let's throw the Bills, Bengals, and what they decide aside.
It pretty much comes down in the AFC. If the Patriots win, they're in.
If the Patriots lose and the Dolphins win, they're in. If the Patriots and Dolphins both lose and the Steelers win, they're in.

And then the only other thing that we have to decide in the AFC is if the Ravens lose,

the Chargers could climb up to the fifth seed with a win.

And then in the NFC, the Eagles are going for the one seed.

What are you going to say, Hank?

What are you going to say?

The Ravens game is before the Chargers game, too.

Correct.

Kind of stupid.

So they could potentially rest starters.

Yes.

Yeah, that's what.

Yes, exactly.

In the NFC, the Eagles are going for the one seed.

The 49ers, if the 49ers win and the Eagles lose, they will get the one seed.

If the Eagles and 49ers both lose and the Cowboys win, they get the one seed.

And then it's pretty simple at the bottom of the playoffs.

Packers are winning in. And then if the Packers lose and the Seahawks win they're in so uh and then the Texans and Bears are fighting for the one for the number one pick overall the Bears lose Nathan Peterman and the Texans win the Bears will get the number one pick I'm just so glad that we're getting Nathan Peterman game we were promised this game earlier this season yep didn't get it.
I'm pumped to see the Peterman out there. So mad at him.
He wins this game. I will be mad if he doesn't throw a single interception.
That would be disappointing. That too.
Packers lose. Seahawks lose.
Lions are in. Yes.
Yeah. Yes.
Yes. If the Seahawks lose, then the Packers-Lions game on Sunday Night Football becomes a win-in-in situation.
Which, tinfoil hat, that's what the NFL is going to do. They want people to watch Sunday Night Football.
A lot of tinfoil hats. Can you imagine? I'm trying to figure it out.
My tinfoil hat is on snug. Snug is a bug this week.
It has to be. Because there's a lot at stake.
I got documents right here. All and then as for our competition it comes down to the end week 18 jake give us the uh tally yes so pft first place with 37.5 points okay thank you he's most likely locked up first place but not official max with 34 currently on the hot seat big kind of, half point behind at 33.5.
Looks like one and two of you are battling it out. Billy, most likely safe as well at 29.5.
And then Hank at 27 and me at 25. So most likely Max versus Big Cat and me versus Hank.
Okay, so it seems like a four-man race for second place. Billy, which we should address, you're making him pick an extra over due to the postponed game.
So if Billy can go 5-0 and Max can go 0-4, depending on what you do, Billy could jump to second. That's the only way.
Big Cat would also have to go 0-4, right? Yes, we'd both have to go 0-4. If I go 0-4 and Max goes 4-0, then I fall to second.
Or if Big Cat goes 4-0 and I go 0-4, I end up tied with Big Cat. I think if anyone goes 0-4 in week 18, they should just have to tweet out the Ray Allen tweet and not address it for 24 hours.
Yeah. Everyone cool with that? No.
Why not, Jake? We're all cool with it. No? Dude, Jake.
You're having sex in the tweet. Come on, Jake.
Can I add asterisks? What do you mean? Oh, on CL asteris do CL asterisks. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
You could do that, but no one else can. Okay, that's right.
All right, anyone who goes 0-4 has to tweet that out. Only Jake would actually...
And they can't address it for 24 hours. Only Jake would actually sex somebody and bleep out the word dick.
But I'm trying to go 0-5. All right, so if you go 5-0 then.
Yeah, if you go 5-0, then you have to tweet it out. So you guys have to tweet it regular and I get to do answers.
Yep, and you can't say why. I mean, AWLs will know why, but for anyone else you can't.
You just have to leave it out there for 24 hours. Yep, that's fine.
It'll be funny if it's multiple, if it's a few of us that have to do this.

So all of us win less than Billy undefeated.

Undefeated, yes.

Okay.

I'm getting there.

When you masturbate, think about my tongue or your clit

and switching back and forth from my dick to my tongue.

Oh, there's only like three or four inappropriate words.

Well, you got clit, masturbate, dick.

I don't think masturbate is inappropriate.

There's just inappropriate times for it.

For my type of timeline. Which letter would you asterisk out? In masturbate? You got to go with the U.
Maybe the R or the B? I don't know. Master 8? Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know. We'll cross that bridge.
I think the U is the worst. Yeah, you got to take the U out.
Hank, did you say there's never an appropriate time to masturbate?

No, you're like, it's an inappropriate time to talk about masturbating.

When is the appropriate time?

Bonk.

Oh, you're saying when is?

Yeah.

I mean, what if you're talking like, yeah, I'm about to go jerk off.

Okay.

With a doctor or if you're like at a sperm bank?

Yeah.

Or if you're on a Zoom call?

Good point.

Yeah, if you're the CNN legal analyst. Yeah.
Or if you're on a guy Yeah, you're on a FaceTime and the girls like hey we jerk off for me pull a tube in yeah Yeah, I realize this is so much worse in the bowling for me Really? Yeah, I would feel so much worse about this. Yeah, but Jake think about the long-term injury Both yeah, both activities Can't get your elbows torn up.
You're not gonna to get canceled. You can't get canceled.
You're uncancellable, Jake. You are.
If you still have a job, you can't get canceled. That's true.
That's true. Yeah.
Just win one game, Jake. I know, right? Just win one game.
Yeah. Okay.
So, and to refresh everyone, so the second place and loser will have to go to a bowling alley.

They will have to bowl a perfect game, 300.

Every hot dog they eat is 10 pins off of that score.

Every beer they drink, or sorry, 10 pins off that score for the second place,

five pins off the score for the last place.

Every beer they drink is one pin off the score,

and they have to stay in the bowling alley for 10 hours. Next day, come back 10 hours.
Next day, come back 10 hours until they bowl a cumulative perfect game, either via hot dogs and bowling. What if one of us just bowls a perfect game? That'd be sick.
Yeah. Be legendary.
Legendary. Legendary.
Imagine that. Imagine the stage that you'd be on.
And we'll live stream all of it. You have to bowl at least three games in an hour So you have to keep bowling You can't just be like, I'm not going to bowl Billy was like, oh, my plan was to just drink a shitload of beer And then bowl later So Billy was just going to do a case race The thing is, you can drink beer whilst bowling It's actually an activity that many of us do On a regular basis So I think the move would be to make it a little bit fun, get kind of drunk as you start to bowl, and then just kind of write the first day off entirely.
We should say, though, too, there should be a rule that going into, when you roll the first ball of the first frame, you're locked into your beer hot dog total. So you can't, like, when you're in the 10th frame, be like, oh, I'm going to be five off.
Let me eat a hot dog real quick. Yeah, the hot dogs count towards the next game.
Yes, exactly. Exactly.
And should you be allowed to be on your phone? Wait. Yeah.
I feel like you should not be allowed to be on your phone. I like that.
I like that. What do you say, Billy? Yeah, because you would just wait.
You would just stand there and get close. Billy, you're probably safe.
I know, but you can never be too sure.

The rule I said is withstands.

That makes it more fun.

It makes it more fun.

So it's not like just trying to chug beer right at the end.

You would definitely figure out a way that would game that system.

That would be easier for you, but less fun for everybody watching.

Correct.

Correct.

And that's who we're focused on here. I played one game.

You would be able to eat that many hot dogs?

Yeah.

Okay.

All right, let's get to the picks.

Let's do the picks.

So if Hank and I have three of the same, it's over.

Okay.

You guys won't.

You won't.

If we have two of the same, Hank is guaranteed at least a tiebreaker.

I almost want to make sure that you guys don't have some.

Tiebreaker is wild card weekend.

You have to pick every single game.

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You ready, Hank?

Yep. All these have been texted to memes beforehand, so there will not be any

colluding funny business.

No funny business.

Let's get to week 18 preview.

My favorite favorite is the Cowboys

minus seven.

Playing for a one seed,

going up against a joke of a quarterback, joke of a franchise. Wait, what? Taylor Heineke's playing.
No, he's actually in fact check. False.
Sam Howell's playing. Oh, he's not a joke.
Sam Howell, not a joke. In fact, some people had him as the number one draft pick overall coming into this last college football season.
If he's not a joke, why has he not played? Because we're in win now mode, which is why we started Carsonon wentz last week he had the fastest throw at the combine yeah also so here's one thing that concerns me about sam how i like him he looks like he could be a good quarterback he played well in the preseason he doesn't eat red meat he's anti-red meat neither does my quarterback oh yeah but your quarterback doesn't eat meat at all yeah that's true i'd rather have that Then a quarterback. He's not a fence sitter.
Nervous bird. He eats the chicken.
He eats the pork. He does not eat red meat.
That's a problem to me. Now, this is what I love about Week 18.
All the things going on at the same time. Hank, are you a little nervous about the Cowboys playing their game and they look up at the scoreboard and the Eagles are up 28 nothing.
Oh, okay. Because they would definitely sit their starters.
Yeah. Without a doubt.
Yeah, but it's Sam Howell. Okay.
It's Sam Howell, who again, did you not hear me when I said that he was ranked as number one draft pick in the entire NFL by Stephen Shea going into last college football season. Also, not a lot of tape on him.
Do you remember how good he was? Billy's nodding like, yeah. Two years ago? We're making good points.
You remember two years ago how good he was? I think the Cowboys defense is really good. They have a lot to play for.
Okay. Going up against essentially a rookie quarterback that hasn't played.
He is literally a rookie. No, but he's also essentially a rookie.
Yeah, both. A rookie quarterback that hasn't played going up against one of the better defenses, I like my chances.
Okay. Okay.
All right. So that is your favorite.
Max? My strategy was I picked all these games blindly because I – What does that mean? Like you shut your eyes? So I shut my eyes and was just going like this, and I picked. It would be like, okay, this is my over.

Or this is my favorite.

This is my blah, blah, blah.

Okay.

Because he doesn't want me to have any of the same with him.

But you still probably picked the Eagles.

I did not pick the Eagles.

Okay.

But this was by coincidence, I swear.

This does help the Eagles.

I picked Saints minus three and a half, and I would like the Saints not to cover that.

Wow. Against the cover that.
Wow.

Against the Panthers.

Correct.

Against the Panthers.

Well, Max, I got some news for you.

No.

No.

I don't have that as my favorite.

Oh, you have the Panthers.

But I have my Panthers as the other.

Wow.

That game will be very important.

And what's the line on that one?

Three and a half.

Okay, so it can't be a push.

Wait, so I can't lose. Why? I can't get second.
He is right. Oh, yeah.
Boom. Woo.
Okay, there you go, Billy. I'm happy you almost tried to change the rules of the punishment.
Boom. All right.
PFT. Okay, so for my favorite, I'm taking the Bengals.
Taking the Bengals as a favorite. Minus seven.
Minus seven. Also, Billy, you still can because you go 5-0 and Max goes 0-4.
Jake called cap. You got Billy.
No, because then he'd be up. Billy, go put on the giant cap.
Jake, you put on the giant cap. Yeah, I like the Bengals.
I like the Bengals a lot. So, the reality of the situation is the Bengals are rested going into this game.
And I think that the Ravens are in a very weird position with Lamar Jackson. Harbaugh gave a press conference yesterday where he was visibly frustrated with questions about Lamar.
He was like, I don't know. I don't know anything that's going on with Lamar.
You're going to have to ask him if you want to get any answers to this. So I feel like Baltimore's stock going down, Bengals, they're kind of an unknown right now, but I think that they're a much better team.
And they just seem like they're more focused to go on a run this postseason. By the way, one of the dumbest arguments online right now going is, this is unfair, the Bills got an extra week off.
I think the Bills would have traded not having one of their teammates die. People oh yeah oh yeah probably just only had to play 17 weeks and the chiefs had to play 18 oh yeah yeah probably the jets fans that were doing the two of fingers oh yeah but i do think i i think it does like it's good that the bangles didn't play a game in terms of like how rested they are that's just a fact so i'm taking them yeah okay um my favorite and this hurts me personally but i have to do it because i do think that uh there's history here i'm taking the colts minus three and i'm doing it because against the texans oh my god i have the texans you do yeah oh no Billy, you're out of it.
Yeah, yeah. Billy's going to, after every pick, Billy's going to be like, wait.
I was just seeing that canceled out the thing before. So.
How is that canceled? So the precedent is, if you remember, well, first of all, I think the Colts are going to still play hard because I think Jeff Saturday doesn't really know anything else. Like, he's going to try to get him to play hard.
Lovie Smith, there's precedent for him tanking at the end of a season. If you remember, in 2014, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, this is the Jameis draft coming up, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were 2-14.
They had to lose the game. They went up on the Saints 20-7 in the first half.
He pulled his entire offensive line. Joshua Cowan got safetied, basically tanked in real life.
There was a big story after, like, oh, did they tank? And obviously they all said, no, no, no. They were trying to give guys a different look.
He tanked right as we were watching it. He tanked that game.
I think he will do the same in this game. Even if they get a lead, he will make sure that they find a way to lose.
They ended up losing that game 23-20. So Lovey Smith knows.
He knows that tanking is good for them. What are you looking at me, Max? You're trying to lose these games, correct? No, I'm trying to win.
I think I'm just picking my games. He took the Colts because he thinks they love you, Smith, that the Texans aren't going to show up.
But for the competition, it's better for you to lose, no? Well, no, it doesn't matter. It's all going to shake out.
I don't think you can do that. I think you just got to pick your picks.
If you try to pick losing picks, they'll probably win. Because look at your record over the course of the entire season.
It's pretty much 500, right? I get that. But I'm saying on Sunday, you and I, our picks, we're going to be rooting against each other on the picks.
Right. That's all I'm saying.
You don't want to finish in second. Right.
So you want to do better with these picks. No, you want to lose.
No, wait. I might have fucked it up.
Wait, you want to do worse. Oh, shit.
I fucked it up. I fucked it up.
I'm stuck now. Oh, shit.
All right. Well, this is actually good, though, because I picked games that I thought would win, and that will lose.
You know what? Really? You and I picked the most. This is as pure of a fade yourself moment as you can possibly.
Yeah, no, this is great. I'm actually even happier with myself.
I pick games like I want to win, because that's all I know how to do. And all I know how to do is lose.
This is like the idea of having a gambling app that changes your bet. Yeah.
You even knowing. And I'm going to be rude.
I am going to be rooting for the Texans all game. Because I want the Bears to get the number one.
This is quite a dynamic here. Yeah.
This is hard. This is confusing.
Oh, yeah. No, I think I'm a big believer.

You can't.

We'll see.

We'll see how it all goes.

We'll see how it all goes.

I actually have the same pick as my loser.

Colts minus three.

Okay.

So I thought they were going to lose.

Okay.

So that means they're probably going to win and cover.

I mean, I just don't know how the Colts are able to do anything

that resembles a functional football team right now.

When you look at what's happened. I might have fucked this up.
Who's going to start a quarterback for him? Is it going to be Stidham? Or not Stidham? Ellinger? Yeah. All right.
So there you go, Billy. I know, but I'm picking him as a loser.
I know only one way to gamble. It's to try my hardest.
So I might have fucked this up. Responsible.
Responsibly, I might have fucked this up. Billy, are you completely out on Sam Ellinger now? No, I just don't have confidence in the cult organization right now.
Okay. It's not his fault.
Max just put me in a torture chamber. I fucked this up.
I really fucked this up. I really only know how to win.
But we would have had the exact same two picks if you did it that way. We're going to split these.
It doesn't matter. We're going to split these.
You know we will. That's how it always works it always works i mean if you're thinking pmt rigged we want this contest to go for another week into wild card weekend yeah for ratings for clicks right hank although it's gonna be tough because we're half yeah all right jake in the biggest game since the blake bortles era i'm taking the jacksonville jaguars minus 6.5 against the Tennessee Titans.
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Hank knows he's safe now. Yep.
Keep you coming on. I have the Titans.
Oh, yes. That's good for me.
It is. Less things I need to happen.
The Jaguars feels like the squarest pick on the board right now. But, I mean, look at you.
Look at me and Jake. For playing for the Titans right now.
Are you going to actually bet on Josh Dobbs? This is actually incredible because now on Sunday. To make it to the playoffs as the starting quarterback.
What is it, second career start? I love this. Jake, I know it's a square pick, but sometimes it's hip to be square.
And also this makes it if the Jaguars somehow cover, now we go into Sunday and they're only one game apart. And if the Titans cover, Hank goes into Sunday, guaranteed a tie break.
Yeah. So there you go.
Saturday night will be incredible. Oh, maybe.
That's good for me. That's less things that need to happen for me to gain a game.
That's true. All right.
your favorite underdog, Hank, is the Titans. Titans plus six.

Vrabel, Patriot, football guy, recurring guest, gamer.

He's going to get the boys up.

He's going to get the boys ready.

This is a game they win.

We have breaking news.

Breaking news.

Sorry, Billy.

Texas has fired Chris Beard.

I know you're a big fan of his. No, Jake was the one who was a big fan.
Absolutely not. Jake was a huge Chris Beard guy.
No, thank you. Goodbye.
You said most magical run to the Final Four ever, Texas Tech. Never.
You never said that. I believe that would be Loyola Chicago.
Okay. Did you compliment his coaching at any point? I'll look up Jake's Twitter.
His defense? Let's see. Jake, strictly what took place on the basketball court, how would you rank him as a coach? Between the lines.
I'm looking to see if I had a good Chris Beard tweet. And I'm going to retweet it if you do.
In February, when Texas beat Kansas, I said, major win for the Longhorns, Chris Beard went through HE double hockey sticks last week. Oh.
Okay, I'm going to find something. I'm going to find something.
Oh, wow, in this clip, you call him Hitler. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Okay, where are we? Who's up? Oh, Max. So you have Texas.
Yeah, we already know. Plus three.
Okay. PFT.
My underdog, my favorite dog of the week, this dog. This is also a square pick.
The Chargers? Are the Chargers a dog this week? Yeah, they are. I mean, we'll find out.
Plus three at the Broncos. Yeah, so I saw this and I was like, that's a mistake.
Do we think Russell Wilson got Jerry Rosberg cured Russ Wilson last week? It's a question of the Ravens game. So if the Ravens lose this game, the Chargers will try really hard.
If the Ravens win this game, or is it reverse? I think it might be reverse. No, because they want to pass the Ravens.
Right now, they're behind the Ravens. Correct.
They want to pass them so that they could possibly play at the Jaguars or the Titans in the first round of the playoffs. They actually are ahead of the Ravens right now, but if the Ravens won, I think they would then win.
All the fucking shit is so confusing now with the Bengals and Bills stuff. Yeah.
Yeah, That's why that line is that way. I love the Chargers.
I can't believe how much I love the Chargers this weekend. It might be me continuing to buy into the Chargers bullshit, but I think that the Chargers win this.
I'm going to adjust the line on this. Now I'm going to keep plus three in this, but I'm just going to give out like a bonus.
I'm going to adjust the line and go Chargers minus six and a half. Okay okay yeah uh my favorite underdog is the panthers plus three and a half i really fucked this up i picked picks that i thought would win i hope that my terrible terrible gambling record through two decades comes through for me in a clutch in the clutch you've been training for this moment i have i have so actually i shouldn't be upset because't be upset because if I did what Billy's trying to do where it's like, oh, I'm picking the ones that are going to lose.
You're the Bears right now. Yeah.
Big Cass, the Chicago Bears, trying to get the number one pick. Like this is what you've been preparing for since 1985.
Yeah. That's literally what you're doing right now.
Yes, it is. It is.
Okay. Commanders plus seven.
Good pick, Billy. Commanders plus seven.
Good pick. That's right.
We didn't get outbid by carpet man flooring by $5 for this. How crazy would it be? How much did they donate? $5,000.
Wow. I thought about going $5,001 just so I would appear above.
But there's no – think about it this way. And I'll kind of reset what we're talking about here.

In the DeMar Hamlin charity, in the GoFundMe, it gives a list of the top donors. And in the top donors, you see a bunch of quarterbacks, like Andy Dalton was on that list, a bunch of people, famous people.
A lot of organizations have donated money to his toy drive. The Washington Commanders, one of those teams, they donated $5,000.
and $5,005 right above them was carpet man flooring

that outbid the commanders. Now, to be fair to the commanders, their charity organization, they did bounce a $40,000 check for the 50-50 raffle earlier this season.
So they just might want to make sure that they have that in their account. Yes.
It's also kind of crazy. Like, why wouldn't you think a team would just be able to donate privately so like contact them and be like hey we're gonna give a bunch of money but we don't have to actually sign up and put our credit card into gofundme yeah but if you're the commanders you try to take every good pr yeah that you can get true and you know what i actually have to be a bad one i bet carpet man flooring did that he could Oh, we should have done that.
Donate $5,005 and be like, look, I gave more money than the Commanders. $0.69, Commanders.
Yep. $15, Rick Pitino.
I've got a trivia question for you here, Big Cat. Yeah.
And also, if you're looking to get into this game, I do have the GameTime app pulled up right now. Only $82.
Only $82 in the command. Rivalry game.
Rivalry game. It's Dallas week, man.
We want Dallas. GameTime has the best ticket prices.
Sam Howell. This might be the first start of a future Hall of Famer in Sam Howell.
Where were you? Go say I was there. Yeah.
Trivia question. Darren Revell will most likely be buying your ticket stub.
Yeah. Your digital ticket stub at some point.
I like that. How many winning seasons do you think Ron Rivera has as a head coach so he's been in the NFL I think 12 years okay um and you know obviously made the NFC championship game I want to say six he's got three winning seasons and he's got a career winning percentage of 519 which is above average but only three of his 12 seasons have been winning seasons yeah he had a 15 in one he had a 15 in one year so like i i like ron rivera as a human being ron rivera the man he's a good man if i could just hire a good man to fill that role uh that would be ron rivera not a great head coach as far far as record goes and the whole carson wince thing i'm still very upset about that and how that was handled so speaking of uh ron rivera and those panthers teams they did the hall of fame finalists and steve smith didn't make it steve smith i i saw a stat that blew my mind so steve smith should be a hall of famer he should make it uh he's like eighth all time in receiving yards i think he's top 15 in touchdowns but here's the stat that really should put him in guaranteed no matter what in uh 2005 steve smith led the league in receiving yards and his team was uh bottom five in pass attempts that's only been done by Isaac Bruce in 1996.
And then three years later, he led the league in receiving yards, and his team was dead last in pass attempts. Yeah.
That's insane. Like, he's playing.
Basically, everyone was like, Jerry Rice had Joe Montana. They were listing all these other receivers and being like, and Steve Smith had Jake DeLome.
Yeah. No, Steve Smith, he's the all-time got-that-dog-in-him guy.
Yeah. I think when a dog gets an x-ray, they've got that Steve Smith inside their rib cage.
Yeah. That's how much of a dog he was.
Here it is. There's only three guys who've won the triple crown.
I guess four now because Cooper Cup won it last year. guys have won the triple crown so first in receptions yards and touchdowns sterling sharp with brett farve in 1990 jerry rice with joe or sorry sterling sharp with brett farve in 1992 jerry rice with joe montana in 1990 and then steve smith with jake tolone yeah so that tells you how good he is yeah steve smith awesome like hilarious guy too yes very Very funny.
Still maybe a top five NFL player that I would not want to fuck with. And he's also just one.
I feel like it's been a while since we've gotten behind a Hall of Fame vote. We're still working on Dan Heron.
Steve Smith. This podcast is a Steve Smith podcast.
Yeah, agreed. He should be in the Hall of Fame.
Okay, where are we at? Jake. I'm taking the Houston Texans plus three against the Indianapolis Colts.

Okay.

We talked about last week that crazy stat about 97-16 or whatever with the Colts.

I think the crazier stat is that Jeff Saturday won a game with no experience.

Yes, that's true.

So I think this ends.

Why are you saying that?

I was so glad.

Oh, really?

Now I couldn't be rooting for the Texans more.

Because I want Max to get a lead on me, and I want the Bears to get the number one pick. Let's do it.
I'm all in on the Texans. All in on the Texans.
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Hank, favorite over. Hate this a lot.
I regretted sending it, but I sent it already, so I can't change it. Over Eagles Giants 43.
Thought Jalen Hurts was going to be playing. I think he is, but his shoulder's not 100%, so they're probably going to game plan that way.
Why would they play him? Yeah, why would they play him, Max? They need to get the one seed. Yeah, but I mean, the Giants aren't going to be playing anybody.
Yeah, I hate this pick. I hate it.
Yeah. Okay.

We'll see.

It's a bad pick.

It's a bad pick.

Max is just looking angry for some reason over there.

No, I'm not.

It's whatever.

Put in the paper that Max didn't get mad.

I don't care about what Hank has to say about the Eagles anymore.

Max, when we do live streams for the playoffs in the Eagles stream,

I'm not going to wear Eagles gear. I think I'm just going to make a shirt with my ticket on it.
Okay, that's fine. Just sit in front row.
You're an ally. Yeah.
That's fine. Same.
No, you aren't. No, you aren't.
I actually went up to Hank the other day and I was like, I get why Philly wants you dead. I was like, because even a very loose affiliation just from a from a gambling pick hank bothers me he just i i i like hank i i think he's very good at his job but he also sometimes treats the studio with a cavalier attitude that i don't think any of us would he's got his feet up on the desk right now hanging out yeah gets turkey everywhere yeah oh it gets turkey everywhere hank leaves food in the studio, which is disgusting.
He just comes and hangs out and then goes back up to the C-suite where everything's clean. They clean everything perfectly.
I think he looks at this studio as a trash can. He walks past it.
I've seen Hank... Wait, Hank, shut up, Hank.
I had to. Shut up, Hank.
Shut up, Hank. Mute yourself, Hank.
I've seen Hank walk past this studio, open up the door, and throw his trash into it and then close the door and leave. Yeah.
And he yells at some underling being like, go clean it up, bitch. Okay.
Your favorite over? Cardinals, Niners, over 40 and a half. So you're trying to lose this.
Yes. You don't like this pick.
Correct. They're also random.
Are we getting Blau or are we getting Trace McSorley? I think we're getting a combo. I think it's Blau.
Who knows? Week 18, really, like, almost all these games just suck. I swear I was just throwing shit at the wall.
I have no idea about any of these picks. I was just picking games.

So you weren't trying to lose either.

No,

because I didn't want to make any opinion on anything because I went with just picks.

Did you guys see Kyler Murray's picture when he got out of surgery?

No.

He is so gone off the anesthesia and pain pills.

He's sitting up in bed.

He's giving like a big thumbs up.

He looks like he's actually playing PlayStation with his thumbs, but he's just so pumped to be having surgery. It's so funny looking at his face.
If you've ever had surgery, it sucks. The rehab process is not fun, but you feel awesome right when you get done with it.
Yeah, so Cardinals versus 49ers. 49ers are playing for something.
Cardinals, yeah. David Blau.
Season from hell for the Cardinals.

J.J. Watt's last game.

I feel like he'll get a sack.

He'll get a sack for sure.

Yep.

Bet that.

Do you see his badger that he got?

Yeah, I want it so bad.

Somebody mailed J.J. Watt a badger, which is, that's kind of weird, but it plays.

Yeah, I want it.

I want it.

It definitely plays.

I was like, from Napoleon Dynamite, I was like, I want that.

You should call it honey.

It should be the honey badger.

Okay. Your favorite over.
My over is Ram Seahawks. I love this over.
Same. I love this over.
I have it as well. What's to say? 41 and a half.
That's so low. Gino's going to cook.
He's going to be a free agent after this season, right? Yeah. So I'm pretty sure that this is Gino's last chance to go out there and just let everybody know that what happened earlier in the year wasn't a fluke.
Go throw some dimes, find DK, and then Baker's been playing pretty decently, I think. And we really, really want the Rams to win this game so that the Lions can have a chance at getting into the playoffs.
Yes. And also, I mean, it doesn't look good when you put it like this for the Rams, but in the great cycle of the NFC West, Pete Carroll owned Sean McVay.

That is true.

They are going to play spoiler, though.

I think that there's a couple spots where it's ripe for this team.

Why not?

Just spoil the Seahawks.

You might as well.

All right, your favorite over.

You have two, Billy.

First one, Chiefs Raiders, 52.5.

Okay.

Second over, Lions Packers, 49. Okay.
And you're trying to lose all these. Trying to lose them.
Yeah. All right.
Jake? So, I have Chiefs Raiders as well. A little dilemma.
We texted me as a 52.5. Now I'm seeing 52.
Let's go 52. Yeah, it's whatever it is right now.
That's what it is. I just want to be transparent.
We've always done all season long what it is when we say it. That is true.
Yeah, Jake has always corrected us and said the line moved. Hank, that's just a fact.
Go back and listen to the show. So there's actually now a chance that we could go into Sunday and Hank and Jake are tied.
No, I'd be a half out because I'm two. So if I win that.
And you win the other. Then I'd be a half.
You'd be a half you'd be tied you're down two right but what what don't we understand in the last column yes right you would yeah you would have you would be tied correct yes by that yes yes how do you feel jake you feel like you've got a pretty good opportunity to beat hanker lions packers over 49 you feel good i mean it's all gonna come down to saturday night well's going to come down to Saturday. All of Saturday.
Yeah. Saturday.
That was kind of my idea here, to try to set the stage. Are you going to feel like a little bad, though, if you beat Hank? No.
Not at all. Not for this one.
I won't feel bad either. Ice cold blood, Jake.
I think the world wants to see Hank suffer. Generally.
Under Hank. It's fine uh bills patriots 42 and a half oh okay okay

patriots offense i mean i bet the under for them all year they're a disaster worse offense to watch

in the league uh and you know elephant in the room the bills have a lot going on i don't know how

you know in sync they're gonna be you don't think they're gonna play for it could go both ways

Thank you. and, you know, elephant in the room, the Bills have a lot going on.
I don't know how in sync they're going to be. You don't think they're going to play for him? It could go both ways.
It could. It could.
But, like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
It's 42 and a half. Yeah, that is what I said.
I've worked around Billy long enough to know when he gets this shit-eating grin on his face. He's got something that he's thinking about saying that, I don't know, might be...
He's been laughing at his own joke for the last 10 seconds. You know, what if Hank loses? What if we made Hank do the challenge in a bowling alley in Philly with Philly fans yelling at him the whole time? Whoa.
That would be hilarious. Okay, that's also not what you were just thinking of.
I swear to God. You just didn't want to say whatever joke you were about to say.
That's fine. That's fine.
I get it.

That's good discipline.

That's good discipline. Batteries at Hank.

This is a great lie.

It would be hilarious.

Philly people love me.

I love Philly.

We don't do that.

Well, you'd say you have.

You have thrown batteries.

Yeah, but we wouldn't do it now.

Okay.

Philly people hate me.

I don't hate people.

I don't think anyone would waste batteries on Hank.

Okay.

That would be hilarious.

Under.

Max.

Cowboys. Commanders.

41. Good pick.

So I'm rooting for the over there. I think big believer in Howe.

Oh yeah? Yeah. You love him? That's why.

How cool would it be though if we were named the Red Wolves

and our quarterback was named Howe?

That would be sick, right? So sick.

I could go back in time.

So sick.

PFT?

Yeah, I'm doing the same thing.

I'm doing the under on that game.

So all the stuff I was just saying about believing in Hal,

he's still a rookie quarterback.

Essentially.

They're probably going to, yeah, essentially a rookie quarterback.

That means you're officially clear.

Oh, that's right.

Yeah, yeah.

Crazy.

No bowling for PFT.

Thanks, guys.

First season, first place, first time doing that.

Very happy with myself, even though I think I'm going to end up the season

like barely above 500.

Yeah.

That's what I'm doing.

That's unknown ball.

Yeah.

No, you're 37-31-1.

Oh, nice.

Oh, okay.

Guaranteed.

Nice.

You and you are the two official ball knowers.

Yeah, the hungry dogs.

Yeah, hungry dogs.

Lighten it up.

Okay.

The under. Oh, the lip is.
When he he puts the tongue out I know that he's mad The under in The Jaguars Titans is my game I like that I don't see how they're going to score I think this is So if you win that then you could be winning Yes We've all been waiting for the Vrabel game. I think this is the Vrabel game.
It's got to be. It has to be.
The cover against the Cowboys was the Vrabel game. I don't know.
I think they've just been – this is – because they've rested a bunch of guys. They're going to be – their defense is going to be as well rested as it's been in a long time.
This is the Vrabel game. And he wins these games.
He wins big games. He does.
And like Trevor Lawrence, wouldn't it be kind of fit into everything? Trevor Lawrence had a bad first year because Urban Meyer ascended this year, fell just short. Next year is his year to dominate the AFC South.
I think if you're a Jags fan, you can be happy. Feel good story.
Jaguars stomp their way to the division title.

Stomp it.

No way.

Jaguars don't stomp anywhere, Jake.

They're very stealthy.

They move through the jungle in silence.

They stomp it.

Okay, Billy, you're under.

So if Jake loses those two, though.

He's done.

Correct.

He's cooked.

Come on.

He's cooked.

So wait, what is Hank rooting for now?

I'm rooting for the under in game one and the Titans in game two.

Okay.

Parlay.

Wow.

Last pick of the year, under Jets-Dolphins, 38.5.

I like that.

Last pick of the year, Mr. Irrelevant.

Yeah.

That put a bow on the season for me.

Yeah, my last pick of the year.

Yeah.

What about Jake's under?

Yeah.

His last pick of the year.

It's my last pick.

Yeah, it's his last pick. So Dolphins-Jets, under is your pick.
Yep. Okay.
Okay. Jake.
Picture this. Everyone close your eyes.
I like how you're driving. Jake just did narratives.
I respect it. Picture this.
Jake went straight in. It's going to be...
We are tied. Yeah.
Entering Sunday Night Football. We're recording the podcast, and Jake Marsh has the Detroit Green Bay under 49 because we care about the AWLs.
Wow. And that's going to provide the best content for the fans.
Yeah. Good point, Jake.
That's why we're doing this. Hank is literally punching air right now.
He got outflanked. I was sure you were going to take the over, too, in that.
Because the over seems like an easier pick. Wow.
You're right. You're right.
Actually, that's better for me. Yeah.
So I'm taking the under because hopefully we have a situation where we're recording the podcast and then get the results live on the air. Yep.
That's the only reason I'm taking it. Thank you, Jake.
Yep. That's great.
So we can blame you guys now if you like us. I have two on Saturday and one on Sunday night.

I'm just hoping so hard that the Lions beat the Packers to make the playoffs.

And because I feel like I am that much invested in it,

I feel like there's no chance that it happens because I want it to happen so bad.

We're ending the season with Aaron Rodgers grinning and being like,

told you guys.

It would just be so cool.

It's happening.

All right, anything else? Aaron Rodgers is probably going to be exhausted from Friday. Oh, yeah.
True. Billionaire and Rogers.
Big day. Coming up.
Anything else? I mean, these games, like there's just the Steelers game is going to be fun. Bucks, Falcons.
Vikings. Vikings, Bears.
Vikings, Bears. Nathan Peterman.
Browns, Steelers. PFTs are.
Oh, yeah. Let's see your gut reaction to this one, Big Cat.
My PFTs are. Hank gave me the stinkiest stink eye of all time.
Is it Vikings, Browns? No, it's not. It's the same game.
I'm doing the Bucs plus nine and then over 35 and a half in that game. I don't hate it.
You tease it. It's plus 108 when you take both of them.
I don't hate it because the Bucs. Yeah, but he prefaced it.
No, you gave me a big stink eye. And then Hank was like, what, do you want me to be honest or be a yes man? I was like, yes man.
I want a yes man. I think the Bucs are going to actually.
Tom Brady is going to play at least the first half, and they're going to try to work on stuff. Yeah.
I don't hate the Bucs just straight up. The Falcons don't really have anything.
They might not even show up for the game. They might forget that they have to play.
So they won't score. The Bucs can't score.
I think that they could score 36 points against no defense. They might be able to score when they're not trying, just like this competition.
Just don't try. Whatever.
The PFTs is 1-0. I'm betting it.
There you go. I just don't love it.
All right, what else? Anything else before we get to Kirk Herbstreet? It's a compliment. Rushmore.
Rushmore. Rushmore? Oh, man.
Mount Rushmore in a week 18. This is no chance this is going to win.
I don't know how we should all be for Sunday games. Yep.
Yep. All right, I'll do Aaron Jones.
I'm going to mix it up and take Saquon Barkley. Oh, no, he's not going to play.
No, come on, Hank. Get your head in the game.
Jesus Christ. All right, give me...
Oh, I guess he might not play. Give me...
Hank. Who's Michigan State on...
Kenneth Walker? Kenneth Walker. Okay.
Joe Mixon would be out there for a game that matters. Miles Sanders.
Miles Sanders matters. Miles Sanders that matters What about Cook, Dalvin Cook Dalvin Cook, Dad, does that game really matter? Yeah, for the Vikings, right? Kind of Because they're not going to know what the 49ers say Yeah, they can't get the one seed, yeah Oh, shit, well, I don't know Josh Allen You do whatever you want Josh Allen, dude Alright Should I do Dalvin Cook or should I do Christian McCaffrey? I feel like they might not play him either.
It's hard. Week 18's got landlines everywhere.
Joe Mixon. No, the Ravens defense is pretty good.
I think I'm going to do Dalvin Cook. Okay.
All right. So Dalvin Cook, Aaron Jones, Josh Allen, and Hank Kenneth Walker.
Okay. All right.
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Okay, we now welcome on our one of our favorite guests it's recurring guest kirk herb street you're going to see him monday night the national championship live from la it is tcu versus georgia uh herbie thank you for joining us let's start here are you tired yet because you had the craziest schedule football schedule of anyone in america this year doing thursday night doing game day doing saturday

nights are are you like all right i'm at the finish line let's get through monday night and

then i can actually sleep for a little bit because i still don't know how you've done it

dude i i am no one's more excited about monday night than me at midnight like i i am uh i've

I'm fired up. But it was it was definitely a unique opportunity and challenge to do the NFL on Thursday.
And the travel that goes with that and the prep that goes with that. But, you know, I had a blast.
It was cool to do the NFL games. It was cool to, you know, the studio guys that traveled around with us got the chance to get to know a lot of those guys.
And, you know, it was, and I'll be honest with you, you guys know Pat pretty well. You know, the timing for me personally could not have come at a better time than having Pat joined the show this year.
McAfee, of course, I'm talking about. His energy for me personally on the show and even more importantly off the show was huge for me this year as far as kind of keeping my juice going when you're sleeping two hours a night or flying wherever you're flying.

You know how he has that infectious personality and energy.

So that was a big win for me this year personally.

For sure, for sure.

And on Thursday Night Football, I mean, that must have been so cool

working with Al Michaels in the booth.

Does he tell you before the game which side he's on,

or do you kind of have to figure it out as the game progresses? He's really more for the Rams. No, dude, I kind of got that from Brent.
I worked with Mike Tirico, and then I worked with Brent, and then Fowler, and now Al. And I got that vibe from Brent before you were allowed to actually talk about it.
Oh, you guys got that vibe when you watched. Oh, stay tuned here.
You know, like I would know right away if he was like excited to make a call for a touchdown or just like touchdown, you know, whoever. But with Al, I don't really – Al kind of talks about near the end of the game pretty openly about the over-under or things like that, but nothing like Brent.
Brent is dialed in at a next level. With Al, we heard a rumor.
I'm not sure if it's true or not. Maybe you shed some light on it, that he eats a full meal during games sometimes.
Is that true? Who'd you hear that from? I forget. We might have made it up.
Maybe we just repeated it. Yeah.
Like, I always just envision when he's calling a game on Thursday night, he's got, like, a nice steak, a couple sides. He's just, like, calling it, and then he's just taking a bite, and then he's back to the game.
Two things there. Number one, he will not, if a vegetable gets near him, he'll put a fork through your hand.
It's not, like He doesn't eat vegetables of any kind. That's number one.
Number two, I thought that was just something you read about. No, that's 100% true.
Number two, I work on a Saturday night show that when halftime comes, they might throw you a bag of Cheez-Its or maybe a sandwich from a, you know, maybe a sandwich from a local place downstairs. So that's what I'm used to.
This dude, we get to halftime. He's, I don't know if, I assume it's him.
He's got like steak. Yes.
Oh, like shrimp. He touch the potatoes but and and they've got like real silverware and they got a plate and you know you only have eight minutes at halftime in the nfl but you know as soon as halftime's over headphones are off back behind that screen and they got a table set and it's like fine dining for eight minutes and it's just you know he's eating and talking and um yeah it blew me away i was not expecting that i'd never heard that the way you guys have so happy to hear that yeah this made my day yeah this made my day that this is how this happened i envision he has like a nice tablecloth with like a candle yeah it's lit on it opens the sheet it's the titanic behind him yeah, the only thing missing is a candle.
I'm going to bring that next year. Everything else, tablecloth, it's just like – I'm like, I guess we're going to a dinner back here.
That's perfect. That's perfect.
So calling the NFL game, and we'll talk about Monday night, but the one thing that shocked me is I always forget because I love football so much. I love college football.
I love NFL. There's so many people who don't watch both.
So, like, when you got introduced to the NFL audience, there would be people being like, who is this guy? It's like, dude, he's the fucking best college football broadcaster. What are you talking about? Who is this dude? Did you notice, like, there was a – not like a rough start a rough start but like a start where you like had to find your bearings a little bit and get into a flow in the NFL game for me no maybe for the audience but for me no I mean we started with Mahomes and Herbert you know the opening game with Kansas City and the Chargers and I I felt like Al and I hit the ground running mean, I probably the craziest thing when we were done with that game was, I think people that, that, that communicated with me were like, man, you guys sound like you've worked together for 10 or 15 years, just because there was, there was just a, it was a good game, number one, and it was comfort, you know, there.
So I, I didn't really feel like there was growing pains for me personally i maybe the audience had growing i didn't either yeah but i know you you know what i mean like it just it was so funny that there were actually people being like who is this guy it's like what do you mean who is this guy like yeah and i and i do think that you know that that's very apparent to me because you know you you get into New York and a lot of the bigger cities where there's just NFL and NHL and NBA and MLB. And they look at college football like, you know, we might look at middle school football, you know, not even high school football.
Like they just don't just not until the draft comes around. They don't know anything about it.
Yeah. And so i don't ever i i don't know how people live not watching both personally i don't i don't know how my life would exist if i didn't watch both i can't imagine like having a black hole towards the nfl like no i have no idea what you know who's on the raiders like yeah i don't know anything like i can't imagine that or like there are people that do that.
People, like, I always think of, like, imagine, like, in, like you said, bigger cities like New York, I think this happens a decent amount, where there will just be people who, on a Saturday in the fall, they're, like, going about their life. They're, like, going to the grocery store and stuff.
It's like, what do you mean you're doing that? I can't imagine that. It's college football.
Yeah, it's a Saturday in fall i will tell you guys this and i've always i've always been a college football junkie and and i've talked with a lot of nfl coaches and players you know as i was going through this experience they're all like interested on the field before games warm up and like man what's going on with you know what do you that's probably the coolest thing is to see guys that i covered in college on the field pre-game and just to kind of see them and dap them up be like man what's going on and they wanted to know what it felt like and i was like the biggest difference is the energy when you go to knoxville or you go to baton rouge or you go to state college on a saturday night is very different from an nfl atmosphere until probably you get to the post season. So I I'm, I'm incredibly spoiled by what you experience in a college atmosphere.
And then to go into, it was almost like the energy. Some of the games we did, it was like calling a Wisconsin spring game, you know, as far as like the crowd noise, it was just like, there was no juice and the crowd was full.

I mean, the stadium was full.

It was just, it's just very, very different.

And I feed off of that energy when I do a Saturday night game.

I love the crowd.

I love the passion and the NFL. I think it maybe gets that way when you get to the postseason.

There are a few cities I would say in the NFL.

I think you're absolutely right. Like Kansas City, Seattle, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, maybe one or two others.
But yeah, you're right. For the most part, you can't compete with Baton Rouge Saturday night under the legs.
It really does mean more to those people. That's what they live for.
If you go in the marching bands and all the other stuff, the juice, it's just a different – totally – it's almost like two different sports, really. Yeah.
When you talk about that kind of energy that's around these two stadiums, those two different leagues. So, wait, you're saying that the Thursday night Colts-Broncos matchup that you called this year, that didn't compare to the energy of Knoxville, Tennessee? No.
Not quite, unfortunately, we were watching. I didn't realize.
Yeah, you guys, you guys kind of like Pat, you guys fill me in. I didn't realize the venom for Russ Wilson.
It's been bad. Like what? Well, this is what we do.
This is what we do. Like we, we root against people sometimes and we love to pile on yeah and then last week you saw

uh his teammates stand up for him and he started he like cried talking about how much that meant for his teammates to have his back at his lowest point and how bad he felt about his coach getting fired and all of a sudden it's like wow russ is human now we're rooting now we're going to build him back up again like that's kind of like yeah that's what we do it's it's a weird bizarre thing But at the same time...

When did he go into the world?

When did he go into the...

The last year and a half, I would say. It really comes down to fans can smell when someone's not being authentic, and a lot of the things he's done, it might be authentic to him, but a lot of it comes across as inauthentic and planned and like when when you can tell like a player might have like all these aspirations for uh this bigger thing and like you know canned answers and stuff i think that's when fans can can turn a little bit and then it didn't help that he he played very poorly this year i think that yeah that doesn't help when you're getting paid as much as he is but yeah it is like it is, like PFT said, I mean, fans are terrible.
We're terrible people. We build you up and then tear you down.
And then we build you back up. At the same point, I think Big Cat's right when it comes to Russ Wilson.
There were things that were very clearly inauthentic that he was doing to try to further his brand off the field, like the concussion water stuff, when he was trying to just put his name on all sorts of just stuff that doesn't work. And fans can definitely tell when you're bullshitting them when it comes to stuff like that.
And I mean, the reality of the situation is if he was still winning football games, if the Broncos were in the playoffs, I don't think he would be getting this much crap at all. But it's a combination kind of of the two.
But that game specifically, that game was funny because we were watching it in our gambling cave, and it was so bad in the first half that we turned on all the – we went on YouTube and found, like, old awesome games like the Oklahoma-Texas Tech game with Baker versus Mahomes. And we had all these classic games that we put on the other TVs that we were watching while we still had this one on.
But then your game got so good in the second half because it got so bad. It finally reached a point where it was good again.
As you're calling that game, were you completely bored to tears by it? And then at the end, the craziness just kind of amps up the energy? Or what do you do as a broadcaster to maintain your focus on that game yeah well i again i was new enough to the nfl that was like our second or third game that i was i was still seeing matt ryan you know and russell wilson going against each other but it was i think i think al said at one point this is like a game that you would see on cbs or fox like that like the fourth game, you know, or something. And it was a first down was a big thing that night.
You know, that was the kind of game we had, you know. And, you know, honestly, as a broadcaster, you try to stay into the game.
You try to stay respectful of the game. You try to be honest with what you're seeing seeing but you're right it did come down to the last couple plays you know that that wilson had a couple shots at the end zone but i think that was the beginning of where it just fell yeah um that was like where it's like oh my god this is really bad yeah you know and then i was with sherm all year you year because he did the studio show.

And if you think back to that postgame that night, he went off.

And I was like, because he had talked with me about Russ before that.

He's not shy on telling you how he thinks about him.

And then that just kind of started, I think, a lot of back and forth. and i don't think back and forth but a lot of sherm all over russell that's when i started to realize it was a thing i didn't really realize it was a thing until that game and then what came on after that game and yeah it was that it got nasty yeah it was a tough year for him it was a tough year for him um all right so switching to college football monday night so excited uh let's start with tcu they are an outlier like if we're if we're just gonna say you know recruiting if you look at all the numbers a team that recruiting profile has had this lack of talent has never made it to this point their season has been incredible that's not a knock on them but it's just a fact their season

has been incredible their games have all been like instant classics what like if you could define

what it is about this team or what piece that you know if it's max duggan or sunny dykes or their

defense turning a corner like what why why is tcu sitting here on monday night playing for 60 minutes

for the national championship well first of all what was dave doing when michigan was coming back

Thank you. TCU sitting here on Monday night playing for 60 minutes for the national championship? Well, first of all, what was Dave doing when Michigan was coming back and the low state came? I can't even imagine what he was dealing with.
He said when that first run busted for like 60 yards, Michigan, he was like, pack it up. It's over.
Big boy football. But that game, so going off of that, I was shocked that TCU was able to control the line of scrimmage the way they did against Michigan.
I mean, Georgia's a different beast on its own, but they went toe-to-toe with Michigan, beat them. This is not – you can't say it's a fluke anymore.
They're a really good team. Yeah, and I think to answer your question,

I think the thing that has been unique about them,

and you guys know from probably playing and gambling on some of their games,

they come back.

They're written off, game's over, and they come back and win the game when they're down big in the second half.

And I think what happened was we do that once or twice, it's lucky.

You do it a third, a fourth, and a fifth time, becomes it creates a belief and I think that's where they are so even in the Michigan game even though they're outmanned they didn't think they were outmanned you know and to your point about all the build-up for 30 days was they won't be able to handle the line of scrimmage defensively and they they were flying down to just if nothing else they were not going to let Michigan run and of course the first play but other than that they didn't run for a ton of yards and I think it'd be because of the determination them stopping the run now here comes Georgia it's gonna be the same thing Georgia has a behemoth offensive line they love to run the ball they get those two tight ends I don't know if Darnell Washington's gonna be all right but Brock Bauer a freak. He's an NFL guy playing college.
So they're going to run this. It's going to be the same deal.
It's almost like Michigan take two. Yeah.
Going to try to blast them at the line of scrimmage. I think it'll really open up some opportunities for Georgia in their pass game.
They throw the ball so much better than people realize. Almost 300 yards a game through the air.
Even though nobody talks about their pass game, they can throw it. So I think that would be my biggest concern for TCU.
Guys, I think it's a – somebody told me the over-under is like in the 60s. Yeah.
I think this is another game over that. Yeah.
I think it's another game early, kind of feel each other. And then after that, it's going to be back and forth.
You know, I think it's in the high 30s, low 40s, kind of like the two semifinal games. I'd be surprised if it's not a shootout.
Yeah, awesome. That's what I like to hear.
As far as the TCU defense goes, so I've been reading a lot about the 3-3-5 defense. So I'm pretty much an expert on it right now, but there might be some people that are listening that don't know as much about it as we do because we're film guys.
We watch the L22. We read the scouting breakdowns.
So can you explain to us what the – sorry, not us, the listeners that don't know as much about it as we do, what that 3-3-5 defense is and what it does well that might be in their favor against Georgia? So in the Big 12, if you go back about 10 years ago, everybody started to run some form of a spread offense, where you're playing way out in space. And so Iowa State was one of the first defenses to come up with an idea of playing just three down linemen and three linebackers and then five defensive backs.
And it's a whole premise is we need more speed on the field. We need smaller guys that can run so iowa state kind of created and worked for them that you know they were oklahoma texas all these teams want to spread you out baylor they had ability to kind of be out on the outside and they didn't really worry about if you want to run the ball on us who cares we don't really generally you're going to beat us by throwing for 400 yards so that that became a thing not, not only at Iowa State, but as we all know, it becomes a copycat thing.
So the whole Big 12, most of it started to run some form of the three, three, five with the idea of getting more and more speed on the field. Well, now, like it often does in football, it becomes cyclical.
So now people are saying, well, they're going to play a three, three, five5 let's let's beat them up at the line of scrimmage and and while they're trying to play smaller and faster let's go with big tight ends and try to wear them out so that became the big question of the 3-3-5 is even though it's built for the pass game and speed could it hold up schematically against teams that want to run the football? And that's kind of where, that's why you hear, can TCU handle the line of scrimmage? Part of it's the size of their players. The other part of it is the scheme that they play.
And I personally think, we don't have film to look at and show you, but I think you have three three down linemen those three guys are trying to just do the best they can to eat up offensive linemen and then those three backers and two of the five safeties are flying down so it's almost like an eight-man front if you think about it and that that's what they'll try to employ uh against Georgia the only problem is you leave your corners on islands, and now it's man-to-man, and you better hold up or you're going to give up some massive big plays in the pass game. Yeah, I guess it helps when you return two interceptions for a touchdown, too.
That's really – They played well against Michigan, but they also capitalized when they had to. And they got the fumble or the down at the one- line yeah wouldn't you say though i mean if michigan edwards hits that big run and you're thinking like like dave said okay here we go right boy football if they finish that drive off the way you'd expect them to do bang there's seven points probably a different game if they don't throw the pick six you know early in that game if they take advantage of every time they're inside the five yard line at one point was it three or four times inside the five yard line like three points yeah i mean so i don't want to make it sound like tcu just you know played great defense no problem you know they played great down in the red area when they needed to but michigan i'm sure would love to have that game back from a play calling oh big time.
The other matchup I'm very excited about, and maybe you can tell me what's going on because you obviously called the Georgia-Ohio State game, Keely Ringo versus Quinton Johnson. Quinton Johnson's an unbelievable wide receiver for TCU.
He's going to be an awesome pro. Keely Ringo, he struggled against Marvin Harrison Jr.
I actually think he's going to be a great safety in the NFL. I don't know if he's a cornerback.
Exactly. But so, yeah, so what does he have to do to adjust? Because that was Ohio State's ability to put up points and move the ball was Marvin Harrison was making big plays down the field against what a lot of people thought going into this season was going to be one of the best cornerbacks.
He had the pick six to seal the national championship last year. So what's going on with Keely Ringo, and do you think he's going to be able – George is going to adjust for Quinton Johnson after seeing what Marvin Harrison did? So I think Keely Ringo's a good player, but I think, as you said, he's a nickel or a safety in the NFL.
He's 6' to like two 10. It's tough to live on an Island at that size.
I think Ohio state looked at the corners from Georgia and said, if we hold up, you know, in protection, we're going to, we're going to pitch and catch against this, against the second, the secondary players that Georgia has. And I think if you go back to the LSU game and I know they were down big, but if you really watch that film, they really struggled to not just cover but to tackle after catches.
So, you know, I think that they're talented, but I don't think they're great cover guys. And now here comes a very different offense with Max Duggan from what they just faced with.
C.J. Stroud was more gun, get it, maybe a little play action, half roll, but it wasn't a whole lot of smoke and mirrors.
TCU is a lot of smoke and mirrors. Every snap, you're going to probably see some kind of jet sweep motion trying to affect the eyes of the linebackers.
So they'll fake it, and the linebackers are trying to figure out, did they give it to the jet? Did they fake it? Did they hand it off? And then you've got an athletic quarterback that can run the ball. So it's just a lot going on that affects the rhythm of a defense and what they're trying to do and what they're trying to see.
So at the end of the day, Johnson on one side, Savion Williams on the other. They've got Tay Barber darius davis in the slot they got a lot of weapons and i guarantee you they're thinking about they're going to run enough to make georgia have to respect it but they're going to do what lsu and ohio state did and they're going to attack the secondary they're going to try to hit some big plays and one-on-one coverage and by having max duggan as a runner yeah now you got to a safety down, and now you've got to put some one-on-one opportunities because if you bring that safety down, you're one-on-one on the outside.
And that's where Duggan will start to try to really hit some home runs against those two corners. And I think Max Duggan, I don't think he gets enough credit.
There's something about him. He's not the fastest guy.
He's not the biggest guy but he his instincts with uh whether it be you know handing it off or running or the angles he takes are so incredible it always feels like he has the right angle the right decision and that's where he makes up for everything else like he he burns teams with his decision making uh with running the football which I I mean after. Stroud did, I would imagine that Georgia's got to be pretty worried about that as well.
Yeah, and again, you go back to Stroud, he's never really shown that, right? I mean, he's never shown that ability to create. This guy has.
So what does that mean to Georgia? Well, if you play man-to-man, which means defensive backs have their backs turned to the quarterback,

you obviously have to spy him with somebody. Because if you don't, this guy on third and sixth, you play man-to-man and you're covered, guaranteed he's taken off and getting a first down.
There's that. Then there's the zone read element where they keep you honest, making you have to, again, account for the quarterback.
They do RPO game. it's just a very very different

scheme that I think Georgia

is going to have to prepare for to, again, account for the quarterback. They do RPO game.
It's just a very, very different scheme

that I think Georgia's going to have to prepare for.

And they're kind of – did you watch the game closely?

Like Jalen Carter, we hyped him up to be top two pick in the draft.

He had his hands on his hips.

He was tired.

You know, he's running off the field, kind of checking himself

out. So if they thought

Ohio State was going fast,

they're going to find an offense

that's going to try to wear down that

defensive front by doing a lot

of tempo and just trying to

neutralize maybe the

advantage Georgia has at the line of scrimmage

by trying to wear down that

front led by Jalen Carter.

Yeah. So what happened over the course of the year? Because they started off so strong defensively, Georgia did.

And then recently they've been like, I think they gave up, it was like, what, 500 or 600 yards to LSU?

Through the air. LSU, 500 yards through the air.

Yeah. So what happened to Georgia over the course of the year?

And especially with Kirby, he's known as a defensive guy, right? He's one of the best defensive minds in the game. Let's go back a year ago.
I think when you guys, you and I were talking, Georgia's defense last year was one of those defenses that you say as a broadcaster, I don't know if I've ever covered a defense that's been this talented, not to mention to Kobe Dean, who's with the Eagles now, was kind of the ringleader in the middle. They lost everybody other than Keely Ringo and Christopher Smith and Jalen Carter, who was kind of a backup last year.
Everybody else is gone. Nolan Smith returned, but he's hurt.
He went out, I can't remember, like week seven or eight. Everybody else is a new face.
So I'm not saying that things change, but other than Oregon early, I don't know if they really played a dynamic. Tennessee's good, but they just beat them up at the line of scrimmage, right? That's the equalizer against Tennessee's system, that old Art Bryle system is if you can beat them at the line of scrimmage, you don't have to commit numbers, then you can beat Tennessee.
And Georgia was able to do that, especially at home in Athens. So I don't know.
Outside of that Tennessee team, who did they play that was, wow, that offense is great. I don't know who they play.
So I think LSU got down 35-7 and started spinning it. Ohio State has really good receivers and a great quarterback.
And I think now it's more of younger players that maybe aren't quite what they had a year ago, especially on the back end. And they are undefeated, we should say.
Because we are talking about them like they're not an undefeated team. They're incredible.
They're a great team. And when you're talking about Tennessee, that's what sprung to my mind as being like a similar type of matchup as we have against TCU because of the tempo.
Because Heupel, he just likes to wear you out. His whole focus is like run as many plays as possible, get you tired.
And they were able to handle Tennessee like they beat the shit out of Tennessee. Yeah, also Tennessee puts the receivers as you know they put them not just spread you but they go to the sideline with their with their receivers and what they do is they make you have to account for okay we're going to take away the pass and then you're a man short against the run or we're going to load up against the run and now you're playing man to man and Tennesseeennessee made everybody pay for that what georgia could play against the pass and still hold up at the line of scrimmage against the run and that that was the difference with what georgia was able to do again especially in athens they're so tough yeah um so calling that game uh in atlanta on on new year's eve the kirby smart timeout was that the best timeout seen? I mean, that was – in the moment it was shocking that he was able to see it.
And I heard or I read a story after that it wasn't even from the booth. It was his eyes because he wasn't even on the special.
I heard that he wasn't on the special teams. He hadn't flipped over from defense to special teams headset yet.
So the special teams guys were screaming, but he hadn't flipped over and he saw it I mean that that when you're watching that live are you just like this game just changed on on a coach's timeout so there's a couple things number one if you look at the way the alignment of the uh of where they were Ohio State where they had a man short on the left side of their line of scrimmage that was away from Georgia's sideline so like so like if it would have been facing kirby then it would be really easy to see well what's going on because i thought ohio state maybe was a man i was looking at it like what's wrong they had they had the guy the long snapper one guy next to him and then nobody on the left side yeah one but and the way kirby reacted on the sideline i thought i thought thought I made a comment on the broadcast. The guys upstairs must have seen something and quickly called down to him.
But for him to see it from the opposite side of where the weird alignment was, I didn't realize that. I just until you told me that I thought it was the guys upstairs that maybe saw it.
But that was a great time out in the timing of it, Bill Lamonnier, who helps us upstairs, I said, boy, I don't know if he called a timeout before the ball was snapped. Are you sure he did? And he goes, if you hear timeout, it's up to the ref subjectively to say, I heard timeout before the ball was snapped.
So he doesn't necessarily have to do this to play. If he sees it and hears timeout, even before he can do this, Bill was saying it counts as a timeout.
So if you watch that frame by frame, you can tell the ref was looking at the field, and then he looks to his right and starts to kind of put his whistle in his mouth and then the ball uh just about starts to snap so he got it in yeah that that play and then the play by bowers that was initially called short of the first down and then the the replay of that dude where he stayed in bounds somehow i mean that's got to be also just as from a technology standpoint are you ever amazed at like the angles that because that I don't even know if they have that camera on a regular Saturday like that was one of the greatest replays I think I've ever seen I know that sounds crazy to say but they had it so perfectly where the ball was where his hand was when he went out of bounds like you gotta do you think back sometimes of like 15 years ago and like what we get to see so? Oh, my God. It's so true.
We even have a camera on the crossbar, you know, so we'll try to pull that one out. It's a cool look from the red zone.
You know, when you're looking through the eyes of the free safety, that's kind of a cool look. Yeah, but there are cameras everywhere that pick up some of these things.
But at first it just looked like he went out of bounds and we went to break and we started to look at it.

It was under review.

I was like, holy shit, his right foot somehow stayed in,

like it went up.

Yeah.

It was about to go out of bounds and went up

and then he had his hand down.

And then, by the way, he had presence of mind to kind of extend.

If he didn't extend and he just went out of bounds,

he's short, but he extends it that

and then like two plays later they score really changed the complexion of the game if that's a stop verse that one and i think the hit on harrison which i still how does a guy get knocked unconscious and it not be targeting that that was a little bit surprising to me yeah um but the the The play by the punt by Kirby getting the call,

Bowers' effort to get the first and then the hit on harrison those three plays really seemed to stand out you know to me in the outcome game and then the safety ball in yeah it was a safety and fell that was another big play on the bow play, I still don't understand how it was physically possible for him

to be sliding on his foot

and then lift his foot up

as it was still like...

He had pressure on that foot as he was sliding

at the sideline. It doesn't seem like...

It's like the Matrix.

Exactly. How is that even possible?

All his weight was on his hand

and on that foot, and then somehow

that foot goes into the air, and for him not to just collapse yeah you know just incredible uh so we should talk about the dogs and respect the dogs calling the dogs have you heard has anybody barked at you yet well pat pat does all the time you know pat uh pat does with uh with pollock um all the time uh yeah you hear it from their fans nonstop, you know. And by the way, you guys said, you know, we're talking about them like they're not a great team.
Obviously, the last time we saw back-to-back was like, what was it, 11 and 12 with Alabama? Yeah. I mean, just in college football, you just don't see it.
You know, I think guys, they win a championship. They come back the next season.
They don't quite have the same edge. They lose so many great players.
I mean, they lost their heart and soul off this team. And for them to be back in this position, you know, everywhere game day goes, we always hear, we want Bama, you know, all that kind of stuff.
The new chant should be, we want Georgia. Georgia has become the new standard.
And if they win Monday night without question, even if they don't win,

I feel like they've arrived to that point.

They win Monday night.

There's a new sheriff in town.

It's Kirby Smart and the Georgia Bulldogs.

Yeah, the program is insane.

Can you talk real quick about the end of that game

and how crazy that must have been watching that field?

So you're an Ohio State guy, right?

Yeah, you're very biased.

We should just admit that. You're extremely biased.
So you're like, you were blowing onto the field, trying to add a little gust of wind to get it back into the uprights. But like the kick is happening as the clock is striking midnight for New Year's Eve, right? Crazy timing.
The kick was actually, I saw one clip where they lined it up and they synced it up with a ball dropping. And the kick kicked in 2022 and it was ruled by 23 in 2023 so all that's going on you're rooting like hell for your buckeyes but you can't like say it out loud and then to see the kick end up the way that it happened like just i'm curious to know what your emotions were like because i felt like just watching it from home with no rooting interest in terms of an alma mater i was i my body didn't know what to do all right so now i haven't talked about this other than with my wife so here's the deal when i do ohio state games i have zero problem being honest and just talking about the game breaking the game down in this case it was interesting ohio state was mf'd for 35 days after the Michigan game about how, you know, Ryan Day is this and Ryan Day is that and CJ Stroud's this and CJ Stroud's that.
I felt it was not deserving of where the program was. And I could see the anguish.
I don't know if you guys could. I could see the anguish on Ryan Day's face for literally a month if you watched him do interviews.
And so for them to go out and put a plan together and actually execute it to the level which they did, and I think they earned a lot of respect back in the way they played, and they played well enough and coached well enough to win the game. And a lot of people feel that they outplayed Georgia and just didn't win the game.

And so for it to come down to a last-second field goal like that,

meanwhile, me, like you're right, I'm an Ohio State fan,

but for four hours I was completely down the middle, fair,

call it exactly whatever I saw.

But in a situation like that, I don't get usually emotionally invested

in Ohio State except for Clemson in 19, Alabama in 14, and Ohio State against Georgia the other night, only because I felt bad for what they endured for a month after the Michigan game, and then how well they played. When that field goal missed, there was a moment of just like, you know, hands on my knees, like, damn, you know, like they deserve to win that game.
Like I felt bad for them. But I don't think it ever impacts me on, on what I'm doing on the air, but it definitely impacted me in my heart and in my, in my stomach.
I, but what are the odds of that? Right. I mean, it's like the new year, cause you know, we're, we're not even thinking about New Year's Eve.
Like we showed a few parties, you know, we went out to Times Square. But you're so engaged in the game.
And we kept promoting that that was coming up. And then here we go.
The producer goes, we're within a minute of New Year's. And then we're about to set up for a field goal.
And he's like 10, 9, lined up. And I'm like, what the hell is happening right now? Snap the ball at like 5 or 4, kick it at 2 in the air.
I'm thinking everyone's yelling Happy New Year that's not watching this game. And this guy, this poor kicker, he misses this kick.
And Georgia's celebrating, and ohio state's dejected and that's how 2023 starts yeah that was yeah i mean the time of that was absurd it was an all-time moment i i will say that i do find that you are unbiased people on twitter will obviously disagree i think they just hear whatever they want to hear and they'll be like yeah this this is this is bullshit he's doing this yeah if cj stroud throws, you have to compliment him. Right.
You can't say, oh, he sucks. Oh, he got lucky.
Yes. But, all right, well, Herbie, thank you so much.
We appreciate it. You have a well-deserved rest after Monday night.
I hope they got you in a suite. Your room doesn't look that nice.
What's going on? No, man, it's just a standard room here did that's your whole room that's it yeah what are they doing we gotta get you in a suite no well if you can pull some strings man i'd love a suite well you get the private jet right yeah yeah the jet takes you around everywhere so they had to cut back on the hotel yeah well i'd pay for that but yeah i have to do that yeah well just like you guys no Trent Dilfer told me hotel. Yeah.
Well, I'd pay for that. But yeah, I have to do that.
Yeah, well. Just like you guys.
No, Trent Dilfer told me otherwise. Listen, and I'll say this.
You know, I love Bear. You love Bear.
He's probably going to be a little upset he's not going to be on the private jet anymore. I think you might be right.
I think he might be right. No, just for the record, when I move from game day to a game on a saturday espn moves me for that because how else am i going to get right right right you know alahassee to wisconsin but anytime i if i fly anywhere other than that you know it's either commercial or or i pay for it it's just funny how like the whole uh kreet has his own private jet narrative got started.
And it was like, well, he has to get from the show to a small airport that's usually in a small town. So, yeah, that's kind of how ESPN has to handle it.
Yeah. But, yeah, enjoy your vacation.
Get some rest. Where are you going to go after this? I don't know, man.
I want to come watch you guys when you guys gamble. I want to definitely do that.
We've got to get you in the cave with Frank the Tank. Yeah.
I would love that. I would love that.
Maybe some college hoops. Wisconsin got a squad this year or no? Yeah, they're 14th in the country.
And, I mean, we can talk about it next year when you come back on, but Luke Fickle, I mean, your guy. Listen, Wisconsin will be back soon.
That's a big W for you. And didn't you just get a quarterback to transfer there? Two.
We got Nick Evers from Oklahoma and Mordecai from SMU. So we're QBU now.
Yeah. And Mordecai started atoma before he went to smu that's a good spot we look by the way they look like wisconsin didn't they in their bowl yes like that's right there yes don't worry about like just win 24 to 13 yeah that's that's how wisconsin plays yeah just don't make mistakes and just run the ball that's there's no better football than that um, Herbie, yeah, appreciate it so much, man, and we're looking forward to Monday night.
Thanks, fellas. And give me 49ers, Chiefs, in the Super Bowl, and I'm going 49ers.
I'm going to win it all. Brock Purdy.
Brock Purdy. I love that.
I mean, that's got to shock you a little bit because you called Brock Purdy games like he wasn't that good.

It's going to change the eval in quarterbacks moving forward.

Like with Zach Wilson, who was doing the spin move

and the throw at his workout,

and Brock Purdy, Mr. Irrelevant, who was a four-year starter,

I think it's going to change guys like Stetson Bennett or Max Duggan

or who knows who.

Like those guys are a little bit off the radar

but played a ton of football.

I don't know. I think it's going to change guys like Stetson Bennett or Max Duggan or who knows who.
Those guys are a little bit off the radar but played a ton of football. They're all of a sudden going to be looked at a little bit differently.
I do like that take. It's like how we looked at running backs 15, 20 years ago.
You're the first person I've heard say the quarterback position can be replaceable. Yeah, I like it.
For your starters. If you have Kyle Shanahan as your head coach.
Yeah. That helps.
That helps. Brilliant.
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Okay, let's wrap up the show.

Great show with Firefest of the week.

Henry? My Firefest, we're not doing fuckboys. That's all right.
We can do it. I forgot it.
of the week Henry yeah

we can do it

I forgot it

you want to do it

I don't care

I don't care either

fantasy fuck

fantasy fuck

let's do fantasy fire fests

alright fantasy fire fest

alright

we'll wrap up the show

with fantasy fire fest

what's up

what's up

what's up

what happened this week

I'm not. We'll wrap up the show with Fantasy Fire Fest.
What's up? What's up, boy? What's up, man? What happened this week? We can do it, and then we can talk about it after. Just introduce it.
I'll just do my sit-em, then. All right.
My fucking bed frame, dude. Oh, no.
What happened? Fuck. Are you fucking? It's absolutely fucked.
You fucked too hot on it. Yeah.
No, I got a king-sized man. I guess we'll just do Fire Fest.
We'll just do Fire just do fire fest Well no you can introduce it as your fuck boy And then we'll do fire fest So yeah what happened My sleeper is not me sleeping well on my fucking mattress Let's just do your fire fest My fire fest is my bed frame It's fucked up I know you said it so then I'm asking you what happened Okay so A couple couple months ago i upgraded big boy moves corporate life i got a king size mattress not a big deal uh and then like a month later i was like damn like this thing's kind of fucked up it felt like i was like you know sliding in the middle and then i you know how many how many nights sleep did you have before you weeks so you were just slowly sliding in the middle. Yep.
And then I took the... I investigated.
Turns out it was true. I sent them pictures.
They're like, oh, this is a malfunction. This is normal.
We'll send you a new one. Got a new one this week.
And it's happening again. And I'm coming to the realization that it's my actual bed frame and not the mattress.
So now I have to fucking go through that whole process of getting a new bed frame.

What kind of frame?

And probably a new mattress.

Ikea?

So you probably are just missing a piece of wood.

I don't think so.

Did you install it yourself?

Did you build it yourself? No, I did not.

Hank, I've gone through this before, actually, with an Ikea mattress.

It's probably the slats.

Sometimes when you buy the slats, there's a few of them that aren't cut in the exact same dimensions. So they slide down in the middle across the middle beam and they sink down.
So you just need wider slats. Or that might be fine.
Did you crack a slat? That happens a lot. Have you lifted the mattress off to investigate? Yes.
You can also do the slats are bented. The slats are bent.
And it's like bent towards the middle.

It's too, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

So Ikea does some good shit.

Their meatballs have like 50% less horse than they used to.

They do some good products, but the slats are by far the weak link of these beds.

So just get new slats and you'll be good.

Or an easy fix.

Where do you acquire slats?

Ikea.

Hank, go to Ikea.com. I did this.
Here's an easy fix. They fucked me.
This has happened to me before. The slats broke on an old bed I had from Ikea way, way back in the day.
I just went to Home Depot and I bought just a huge piece of wood and just put that down. So you can do that.
You can cut out plywood. Yeah.
You measure from side to side. Yeah.
See how wide it is. The measuring is going to be where he gets tripped off.
Yeah. I mean, it's just like dealing with this is just a fire test.
But if you measure it correctly. But it's like I fucking, it's kind of important.
If you measure it correctly, you go to Home Depot. You just tell the guy I need these measurements.
He'll cut it for you. All right.
Yeah. Make sure you tip him.
You probably don't want to go back in life, but if you just went, get rid of the bed frame, put the box spring and the mattress down on the ground. Yeah, not doing that.
Bachelor pad. So you've just been sinking into the middle of your bed and been like totally normal? No, I'm like, something is afoot here.
At one point you just kept on sucking. No, no, no.
So then I obviously told my mom about it. I was like, Mom, my shit's fucked up.
She was like, take the mattress off. like like when the first time i realized i took the mattress off flipped it upside down put some stuff on top of it thinking that was gonna like even it out yeah that didn't work you try to fill it in sent it to ikea ikea just didn't respond to me for two weeks i had to call him and be like hey what the fuck or is anyone seeing this like yeah you know you know it'll get back to you eventually i was like i'm sleeping on this bed every night like i need like if you don't send me a replacement i'm gonna get a new one like kind of kind of being a karen the next day they're like all right you know here's the replacement the replacement came after the break but yeah it's it's so it's a problem you have the replacement i do the replacement i've slept on it for two nights and i again like i woke up i was like i feel like i'm sinking in the middle it's same problem again yeah the slats waterbed i love i love ikea but their their slats are no good yeah you get a real slap problem i'm sorry for slat shaming them but they actually they're dog shit i'll send you i'll take the mattress off this weekend and show you and and maybe there's something i'm fucking up even worse than i imagine you guys gonna be like holy shit there's like a.
There's like a family of possums. Well, they're bent slats.

Are slats supposed to be straight or curved? Wait, when you're talking about the slats, are you talking about wood?

Yes.

And they're bent?

How are they bent?

They're wood.

Are they broken?

No.

I'll send you a picture.

Are they the right side up?

Did you spill water?

Are they curved?

Did you piss your bed?

Yeah. Oh, you pissed your bed.
Or was there a squirter? This is like what you're talking about. That's how wood gets warped.
Yeah. No, Billy's right.
How'd you warp your wood? No, they came warped. I mean, knowing everything about you, you puke on blackjack tables, you pissed your bed.
I didn't do either of those things. I had pissed my bed drunk.
There you go. But not this bed.
This was years ago. After pop punk.
Just like the blackjack table after last time i pissed my bed was after the first pop punk show that's the most ring endorsement that i can ever get fun for a live concert yeah i had so much fun i pissed myself yeah that was that was that was fun it's a tough fire fest i believe in you yeah i think you just got you got a slap problem you gotta you to either put the plywood down or just get new slats.

I'm Googling Ikea slats.

Okay.

Okay.

All right, PFT.

My FireFest of the week.

It's actually like a similar FireFest, I think,

to what a lot of people have been going through this week.

It's been a very funny situation that's been going left unsaid

in a lot of fantasy football group chats,

which is obviously football is not the most important thing in the world after what we saw on Monday night. But also last weekend was the finals in most fantasy leagues.
And so you've had what's been like a silent standoff, I think, in a lot of fantasy group chats, waiting for somebody to text the group and be like, so obviously prayers for tomorrow, but what are we going to do about this fantasy football matchup? I will say in one of my fantasy group chats, I jumped right into it on Tuesday morning. I said my team had been eliminated for a very long time.
I just said, if I were in contention to win this, I would donate all the money. Yeah, I like that big cat.
I stole that and have been running. Yeah, because it's great.'s great it's just like hey just so you know that i'm not like trying to pressure anyone but the type of guy i am if i were in the championship i would donate all the money yeah so uh so our good friend jerry o'connell is managing our fantasy team we were in the finals for what would be like a 25 000 pot that we would take jerry out on a spending spree on uh so he called me yesterday and he was asking what we should do and how funny this whole standoff is.
So we've made an offer to CJ, because he is the commissioner of that league, to split it 50-50, and then we'll take the $12,500 and take Jerry on a shopping spree with that. But it's very funny because until today when we got a little bit of good news, you know that everybody in the league had thought about it, but nobody was willing to go out and make that first move.
I would say not nobody. I guarantee that every fantasy league had one guy who was like...
Obviously, prayers up. Before DeMar Hamlin got to the hospital was like, what the fuck does this mean? Yeah.
Like, what, was he not going to finish this? Yeah. There definitely was that guy.
And you're going to have negotiations going back and forth with people that had either Joe Burrow on their team or Josh Allen. Be like, dude, Josh Allen was going to go off.
I was going to get 40 points. Oh, I love reading those tweets right now where people are like, the Bengals were up 7-3 and they were going to dominate that game.
Josh Allen already injured his ankle a little bit. Like, okay, sure.
So we were down, I want to say, like, I don't know, four points, I think, and we had Joe Burrow. Jerry had started Joe Burrow in our league, and Jerry was just like, you fucking know Joe Burrow was going to go off last night.
Oh, he was. He already started, right? He had a touchdown.
Yeah. So in our estimation, Jerry thinks that 50-50 is a more than reasonable offer because we were definitely going to win that matchup.
So we'll see what happens. We'll keep you guys posted on it.
But I just think it's like a hilarious, almost like a curb your enthusiasm type situation where people are like stuck in a very awkward position and they don't want to look like an asshole. Yeah.
But guess what? Sometimes you got to be an asshole. Yeah.
I mean, someone had to break the ice and just say it. All right.
My fire fest is simple. I've been shut down many times when I brought this up in the past.
Sunday night after Packers and Lions play, there are 14 games of football left. Yeah, I don't want to think about that right now.
No. Oh, I did piss in the sink like at 12.02.
It was awesome. First piss in the sink of the year.
Wait, in this office? No, on New Year's. Oh, okay.
Yeah, 14 games left. I don't like to talk about that.
That's the college football national championship. Are you counting the Pro Bowl? No.
You always forget about the Pro Bowl. I just don't.
The Pro Bowl has lost. Are they playing a real game this year? No.
No. They never play real games anymore.
But then spring football starts February 18th. I'm just saying it happens every year.
It gets here faster than we think. Knowing that it's 14 is really tough.
And knowing that after wild card weekend there's going to be less than 10. That's really, really tough.
I choose not to participate in this conversation. This is why I say take those mental snapshots whenever you can.
Put my head in the ground. I also just want to throw out something that I don't know when they stopped doing this.
There used to always be a couple bowl games after New Year's. Why did they stop doing that? That was fun.
Yeah. And there would be like a Wednesday night would be the Sugar Bowl.
And then I think GoDaddy had a bowl game that they would play on like Thursday. Give us stragglers.
Well, there should be a third place match in college football. Imagine.
But it should go based on the Sagarin ratings right now. So it would be like Alabama against Tennessee.
Yeah, that would be fun. I would watch that.
I would watch that, yes. Absolutely.
Bill, your fire fest. My flight got canceled New Year's Eve, and I was trapped in the airport for New Year's Eve.
How many hours? So I got to the airport early Saturday morning, and then I had to go get a hotel late Saturday

night and get a flight from another airport two hours away Sunday morning.

Damn.

So did you find people to party with on New Year's Eve in the airport?

Kind of.

That's like your favorite night of partying, right? No, not really. That is your number one.
Well, that's not a night. That's a month.
Yeah. Right.
Come on. We're getting close to St.
Patrick's Day. But it was actually pretty cool because you could just actually watch the games in full.
I didn't have that problem with the parties and stuff. Oh, you're saying, yeah, yeah.
Just being able to actually consume the football. That's fair.
Yeah yeah it was actually like i mean beers were pretty expensive but just like chill and watch the yeah you just you lived my life oh just sitting on the couch and watching the game in full yeah did you make friends at the airport it's not terrible no because no one was really there oh that's tough empty airports are kind of cool though yeah i feel like you're the only i made friends with aender she was really chill she was like southern she was like call me honey she was older it was more of a mother son relationship oh yeah Zach Wilson that's the first submission Billy took down a milk at the New Year's Eve. Alright, Jake, yours.
Hold on. I'm biblioteking this entry.
Oh, shit. Jake, he just destroyed you.
Hank, he just destroyed you. Did you hear that? Yeah, I did.
I did not have intercourse with the milf at the airport. Oh, so just mouth and mouth stuff? Yeah, he just ate her out.
After this recording, I'm working out with you guys. Yeah.
First time in like forever. Squat-mageddon.
I'm going to be sore. I'm not in any shape to do this, but I'm holding it to myself for a little bit.
You're in fine shape. What do you care? What do you mean? You're in in good shape i could put on some muscle i i knew that shit got real when when jake said that he was going to do squats like that's going from zero to yeah i might last like 10 minutes but yeah looking forward to the journey okay also a little teaser another sunday basketball broadcast espn plus espn 3 2 p.m sunday so right in the middle of football pull up on your computer manhattan niagara greg is coming to town.
Let's go, Jake. All right, I'll take the over.
Very cool. You're 1-0 this year.
Yep. That would be funny if you tweeted out the Ray Allen tweet while you're still on the air.
Oh, I can't go on four until Sunday night. Oh, you took the night game.
Smart. Yeah, that's true.
That was really smart because we would have made you do that. Yeah.
That would have been a great way to end your entire career. You'd have to apologize for your tweet.
End your entire career and i just realized you could uh you could hedge the tweet pick opposite of your four picks ah but all of us could do that i brought it out up too early so you can't what are you saying actually like bet it in real life yeah you just take the four opposites yeah in a parlay yeah you could i mean i'm not worried about the tweet the two would be very funny for you guys right correct for you it'd be hilarious it wouldn't just be funny it'd be hilarious plus i would have to do the bowling yes that's true double whammy double whammy uh okay numbers hank have you ever gotten this nope 26 6 18 wait 26 we've got to get more on that. Quick question.
If we're loading up the pot every Sunday, what happens if we have a back-to-back win during the week? It just restarts. One person wins a huge amount.
The next person wins $20. Yeah, if the pot gets cleaned out, you have to load it back up.
It's like free parking in Monopoly. Right.
So if someone wins on a wednesday the pot gets cleaned out then everyone puts another twenty dollars in okay

friday and then on sunday we put in another okay yep uh no one's no one's had thought about the

pot more than billy has had to think well he might have to spend forty dollars in a week

he thought it was twenty dollars a day also i tweeted out an updated pyramid to the frequency

numbers okay love it uh hey wait have you ever gotten this I tweeted out an updated pyramid to the frequency numbers.

Okay, love it.

Hank, wait.

Have you ever gotten this?

Nope.

Okay, and what's your number?

Six.

Okay.

64.

Billy, 69?

69.

Max?

20.

18.

You're never going to get it.

Shut up.

You are never going to get it.

You're so bad.

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