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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we're going to talk about Monday night football and what happened in Cincinnati on Monday night with DeMar Hamlin.

Speaker 1 We're breaking up the show a little bit. So the first 10 minutes is just going to be me and PFT

Speaker 1 talking about what transpired. Then we'll go back into the studio and try to give people a normal show.
We thought this was the best way to do it.

Speaker 1 We'll do hot seat, cool throne. We have Pete Prisco on.
We have Max Duggan and Hank as well to do the 2022 bonk list. So we're trying to break it up and navigate it as best as possible.

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Speaker 1 Welcome to part of my take

Speaker 1 today is Wednesday January 4th, and a little bit something different to start the show.

Speaker 1 Monday Night Football, DeMar Hamlin, I think everyone saw what transpired. We thought the best way to do this show was to break it up.

Speaker 1 So the first 10, 15 minutes will be just me and PFT talking about it, and then we will go back into the studio with everyone else.

Speaker 1 And, you know, before we get into DeMar, like, I understand some people don't want to laugh right now. It's a very serious thing.

Speaker 1 We know what our role is and to, you know, give people a little brevity in their life. Life is not easy.

Speaker 1 So we thought this was the best way that we could both talk about a serious thing, but also give everyone something to smile about.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 yeah, Monday night was pretty horrific.

Speaker 1 As we're taping this, it's 9.30 on Tuesday. We tried to wait the majority of the day to hopefully get a good update.

Speaker 1 The last update we've seen is DeMar Hamlin is

Speaker 1 in critical condition still,

Speaker 1 kind of maybe doing better from some of the reports we've seen. It's obviously like we're not going to get an answer anytime soon.
But yeah,

Speaker 1 it was pretty shocking and tragic to watch. And we love football.
We know that I think the thing that PFT, you and I, like, we always, you know, we're huge football fans. We love football.

Speaker 1 And we have to admit that, like, our livelihood in this show is a lot of it is based on football and what the sport provides for us.

Speaker 1 So to see that, you know, we're not football players, but we care about a lot of guys in the NFL and the league is important to us. So to see someone collapse and need CPR on the field was,

Speaker 1 it shook me. It shook me bad.

Speaker 2 It was scary. It was, it was really, really frightening watching that entire scene play out.
And the look on, you know, I saw Josh Allen's face on the sideline, Diggs' face.

Speaker 2 The players knew almost instantaneously that this was something pretty serious going on. And the sports world kind of came to a stop.

Speaker 2 Like, nothing else really mattered at that time than making sure he was okay. Because

Speaker 2 as sick as it is, like... as NFL fans, and we do love the NFL, on like a weekly basis.

Speaker 2 We'll see a player, you know, they break a leg, they tear a ligament, and they, you know, get carted off the field and it's sad, and you feel for them, and you think about them, but the show goes on in that moment.

Speaker 2 And I think what a lot of people saw last night is like, there's a very clear line where it's a cliche to say that things are bigger than sports.

Speaker 2 This was a moment where sports literally did not matter. It's like there was a person on the field that was

Speaker 2 at risk of dying. And according to some reports, may have actually died on the field that they brought back.
Now, there's a lot of negative stuff that's going on right now.

Speaker 2 Like, people are jumping over like Skip for some tweets that he had. Bart Scott said some stuff.
I don't really want to get into any of that because it doesn't really help anything.

Speaker 2 I think that there are some things that we can put a little bit of light on because those other, the heavy implications, those are self-explanatory.

Speaker 2 But the medical staff at the game did such a good job. Like it's unreal.
If there are two places that I would want to get severely injured, one would be in an emergency room. like in the waiting room.

Speaker 2 And then the second would be like on the field at an NFL game because within like 30 seconds, they have world-class doctors on the field that were provided, they were giving CPR almost instantly to them.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and that might have been the difference. We don't know what's going to happen, obviously, but that might have been the difference between life and death.

Speaker 1 It really is like a credit to modern science and the doctors, like to be able to be there right away and the tools that we have. And to say something about the negative stuff, I agree with you.

Speaker 1 I think being on the internet for as long as we've been on the internet, you start to realize a trend that when something tragic happens, people can't just feel grief. They have to feel anger.

Speaker 1 So it quickly just devolves from this is a terrible thing that happened and we should all feel sad and

Speaker 1 kind of putting it into perspective right to who said something dumb. Let's jump down their throat.

Speaker 1 And we're not going to like litigate everyone's tweets, but I just, I've noticed that on the internet that people just can't comprehend the really tragic thing that happened.

Speaker 1 So they're like, well, what else can I do? I can be really angry online and go after people, and it doesn't really help anyone.

Speaker 1 I, you know, Ryan Clark said it best, and the whole scene was so crazy to watch because it's, it's, you know, Booger and Schefter and Susie Colbert were put in an impossible spot to basically carry a live broadcast.

Speaker 1 You saw Booger was very shaken up, and he did an outstanding job. Then they went to Scott Van Pelt and Ryan Clark, and Ryan Clark said it best.

Speaker 1 He was just like, this is the dark side of the NFL that we don't, you know, as players, don't we try not to think about it, that this does exist, like tragic injuries and really life-altering things.

Speaker 1 You know, Ryan Shazier on that same field can happen. And you try to like not think about it.
And it's a lot of young guys chasing their dream.

Speaker 1 And he was saying, like, I love football more than anything besides my kids. And so it's not like football's at fault.
It's that this is just really, really sad.

Speaker 1 And it hopefully takes a turn for the better because, you know, DeMar Hamlin loved football and he was chasing his dream. And to have that happen in a freak accident,

Speaker 1 it's just, you just really, really hope that everything turns out. And you said it exactly right, like the Bills players, like the players always know before.

Speaker 1 And you knew right away that it was something different when you saw their faces and you saw some of them crying and you saw like even that the five-minute warm-up, which we can talk about, but like Josh was just looking out blank face out on the field, and you're like, this is not, they can't play this game.

Speaker 1 They can't play this game.

Speaker 1 And I know that people, I mean,

Speaker 1 in the moment,

Speaker 1 we're all sitting on our couch, and we see that you can't play the game. I do think there's two things that are happening.
NFL clearly, obviously, doesn't really care.

Speaker 1 Like, they've never prioritized player safety. They say they do, but they don't.

Speaker 1 But I do think that like.

Speaker 2 They prioritize player safety insofar as to the point where it starts to cost them money.

Speaker 1 Right, right. And I think the five-minute warning thing that every warm-up thing that everyone is really like hung up on,

Speaker 1 thinking about it today, like I don't, I don't know if it came from the refs. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think what happened in a truly human moment is we've seen really bad things happen on a football field, Ryan Shazier being like, you know, an example. An ambulance takes someone away.

Speaker 1 and then you go on as normal. And so I think a lot of it was almost like reflex, like, this is what we do.
You go on the ambulance and then we start the game back up.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, Sean McDermott and Zach Taylor, credit to them and whichever players spoke up being like, this is not normal. We should not play this.
And they made the right decision in the end.

Speaker 1 So I think that if it took a little too long,

Speaker 1 you can argue that. But at the end of the day, they didn't play the game.
And it's probably credit to the players and the coaches, not the league.

Speaker 1 But it's still, I'm happy that they were able to get to that conclusion because I think it would have been very wrong to continue that game.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they made the right decision.

Speaker 2 And according to all the reporting that I've seen, and we saw it when it was happening live, I think we all reacted to it in the moment where they make the announcement.

Speaker 2 Joe Buck said, I think four times on the broadcast that they were being told the game would be restarted in five minutes.

Speaker 2 Troy Vincent from the NFL says that that was never his idea, which could be true.

Speaker 2 That could be very true that Troy Vincent and Roger Goodell did not make a call on this, and that it was the officials and the game managers on site that kind of, like you said, went along with what the traditional playbook is for something like this, which is, okay, give the teams five minutes to warm up.

Speaker 2 And we saw Joe Burrow start to throw passes. We saw some of the guys moving around on the sidelines as if they were going to get back in that game.

Speaker 2 And in that moment, I think everybody with a sense of what just happened understood that you can't play this game. One,

Speaker 2 it's bigger than a game because there's a man that died on the field.

Speaker 2 That's literally what we all saw happen. To expect his teammates and everybody else to go out and to try to play a football game after that is foolish.

Speaker 2 And there is a player safety element involved where those guys, their heads not going to be in the game when they go out there. And there's going to be a differing level of

Speaker 2 competitiveness in that game depending on play to play and who's in it, who's not focused. And that's dangerous for everybody involved.

Speaker 2 And then there's just the simple fact that like you should, based on what these players have seen and what they're going through mentally, do not make them go back and do their jobs.

Speaker 2 Imagine if you're, if you're at work and like a coworker passes out out and you have to shock him back and give him CPR.

Speaker 2 Like you're not in any position to go back and focus on your job later on that day. But so what we saw was the NFL, they struggled initially.
You're right, Zach Taylor and Sean McDermott,

Speaker 2 all the credit to them for making the logical decision and for saying, hey, this is not something that we've normally seen.

Speaker 2 Stopping the game from restarting when it looked like it was going to, then it sounds like the NFL PA got in touch with the teams and they worked their way with the NFL and discussed the fact that, like, this is, this is not going to happen.

Speaker 2 So, I'm not going to sit here, I'm not going to point fingers at Roger Goodell and say, you're the bad guy for trying to restart this game.

Speaker 2 It might not have been his call, but it does speak just to like the natural flow of things in the NFL: when a player gets seriously hurt, even up to the point of them needing CPR on the field, the status quo is, okay, we're going to get this started in five minutes.

Speaker 2 That's what the on-site game officials tried to do. And I think you need to take a step back and

Speaker 2 realize that it's not always, it's not that serious.

Speaker 1 Right. And it's it's also a great

Speaker 1 reminder in a terrible situation that it had to have, you know, take this to remind everyone that these guys are all humans. And, you know,

Speaker 1 like hearing about DeMar Hamlin's mom coming down from the stands and trying to get to the ambulance, their, you know, their relationship they have with each other as teammates, their families that are watching them and watching a game and saying, you know, the next hit could be a catastrophic hit.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I don't think there's a school of thinking like, well, it's football. They signed up for it.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 We all know the dangers of football, but there's some really bad shit that can happen in football. And it's okay to take a step back and be like,

Speaker 1 let's make sure everyone's okay here, both like you're saying, the mental health and DeMar Hamlin in the hospital in critical condition right now.

Speaker 1 I don't think anyone's making the argument that, you know, football's over.

Speaker 1 It's just it needed the necessary step back and the game to stop and be canceled to realize like this is something that is a one in, I don't know, a million thing that happened that needs to be addressed accordingly.

Speaker 1 And it can't just be the regular show goes on because you're right. Like the

Speaker 1 normal reaction of the NFL is always like, well, the show must go on. I mean, we played an entire season in COVID COVID with games on Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

Speaker 1 Like, we know that that's what the NFL, that's their protocol. They go, the show must go on.
But this is one of those situations where I'm happy the show didn't go on.

Speaker 1 And I'm happy that, you know, the Bills players were able to. to stop playing.
Some of them were able to see, you know, go to the hospital. I know Stephon Diggs went to the hospital.

Speaker 1 They were able to get home to their families. Because at the end of the day, like, we're, look, we're not,

Speaker 1 everyone knows this show.

Speaker 1 We try not to be serious serious ever, but this is a situation where it is like a step back situation and say, like, okay, these guys are humans and we need to reassess kind of how we look at the whole thing and give it its

Speaker 1 time to heal.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think, well, first, I just want to clarify what I said. It's not that serious.
I'm obviously not talking about the injury.

Speaker 2 I'm talking about the sport of football compared to the guy that is injured. I want to make that clear.
But so

Speaker 2 I think a lot of people found themselves in a state of,

Speaker 2 I guess they didn't have a direction to channel in any of their energy right after it happened because we're so used to getting a thumbs up from a player that's being put into an anime, even when they're clearly not doing well.

Speaker 2 We see movement. We're used to hearing the announcers say he has movement in his extremities.
I think everybody's waiting for an update from a reporter saying

Speaker 2 he's regained consciousness and he's got a message for his team and for the fans.

Speaker 2 We were all waiting for that. We were waiting for the picture like we got from Christian Erickson when he passed out or he actually had cardiac arrest as well

Speaker 2 at the soccer game two years ago where he puts a picture up from the hospital. We were all waiting for that.

Speaker 2 And when we didn't get any acknowledgement that things were improving, we were just, we started to lash out and we did see a little bit of that online, like looking for the bad guy.

Speaker 2 Okay, I can get mad at Skip Bayless and that will make me feel better in this situation.

Speaker 2 But the reality is I think everybody was kind of like dealing, wrestling with their own a little bit of grief and also just a little bit of shock and trying to process what they just saw.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's, I don't blame people who get their initial reaction is, let's get angry and witch hunt on the internet because it's just, no one knows how to deal with this.

Speaker 1 No one knows how to deal with a situation they've never seen before.

Speaker 1 So I don't, I don't think it's wrong.

Speaker 1 I think a lot of people probably woke up today being like, you know, maybe trying to witch hunt the three or four bad tweets was not the correct way to use my energy. Maybe they didn't.

Speaker 1 I don't really care.

Speaker 1 It's just the whole thing is sad, and I really, really hope we get a good update soon.

Speaker 1 I know that, you know, I would assume, I don't know what the NFL is going to do in terms of scheduling. It's not really relevant right now, but obviously that's a question a lot of people are asking.

Speaker 1 I'm sure it will happen in due time in the next day or two.

Speaker 1 The only other thing I wanted to say was just like DeMar Hamlin, the guy, because

Speaker 1 it came out, his charitable, you know, giving with the toy drive that has now reached, I think, five and a half million dollars and all the stories about who he is and like how he's he's really a role model to kids in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 He grew up in Pennsylvania. He went to Pitt.
He's a hero to a lot of these kids.

Speaker 1 He seemed like, you know, the consummate, just professional, teammate, friend, you know, son, brother, all these things.

Speaker 1 And it seems like, you know, one of those things where instead of finding that anger online for who made a bad tweet, it should probably be focused more on like what an incredible human being DeMar Hamlin is and trying to help however that is.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 you said it, I mean, before PFT, but like the, I think, what was his uncle's quote that was really like profound?

Speaker 1 I can look it up exactly here.

Speaker 2 And I think,

Speaker 2 let me do that because I don't want to get it wrong. It was a really

Speaker 1 touchy. Okay, he said,

Speaker 2 this is DeMar Hamlin's uncle, Dorian Glenn. He said, a lot of people don't get to see how loved they are while they're alive.

Speaker 2 So for him to have a situation where he could have been taken away and he has a chance to come back and see all that love that he got. And yeah, I mean,

Speaker 2 it's true. Like, you know, we say give people their flowers.

Speaker 2 And most people don't get to ever see

Speaker 2 all the lives that they've impacted and how much people truly care about them. But the truth is, people, everybody out there has a lot of people that care about him.

Speaker 2 And hopefully, and I hope I'm not reading too far into this, but it sounds like there's a little bit of progress being made as far as his health goes. And hopefully he'll be able to wake up.
And

Speaker 2 what an awesome moment that would be for him to get to see all the love that's been shown to him from strangers, friends.

Speaker 2 You know, Bill's mafia has obviously stepped up big time. The organization, his teammates, like that, that would be an incredible moment for him.

Speaker 2 So I really, you know, amongst other reasons, I really hope that he gets to experience that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I hope he experiences it too because it's just the,

Speaker 1 you know, we love football. We really, really love football.
And I think a lot of people love football. And it's been cool to see the outpouring of love for DeMar Hamlin,

Speaker 1 both in Buffalo, nationwide, Cincinnati. Like the fans were, I think, were great on Monday night football.

Speaker 1 You know, some of the stories about making sure that his mom was able to get down to the field as quickly as possible, even though she wasn't credentialed, like all these things. So, I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's just that that's the positive side of seeing everyone kind of come together and use positive energy and hope that

Speaker 1 everything turns out okay.

Speaker 1 That's, you know,

Speaker 1 those are the moments that I look forward to be like, yeah, this is what's good in life. You know, it's not someone's bad tweet.
It's rejoicing in a great young man who hopefully can come out of this.

Speaker 2 Yeah, 99% of people I actually think are awesome and wonderful and worth celebrating.

Speaker 2 There's one person in particular I wanted to talk about because I did get a couple DMs and I got a couple texts from some friends who happened to be at this game as well.

Speaker 2 I don't know who this lady was. She was part of the medical staff that was there.

Speaker 2 And the second he fell to the ground and he started to being attended to on the field, she recognized the severity of the situation, sprinted off,

Speaker 2 helped get the defibrillator onto the field, motioned for the ambulance, was kind of calling some shots, and started to grab the players from each team and pulled them into place to have them stand around Damar to give him a little bit of privacy in that moment when they started to do CPR on him, which is something that would have, like, that, that would have,

Speaker 2 it would have been traumatizing to everybody involved. And also, he deserves it.
Yeah, he deserves to have the dignity of having privacy in a situation like that. And I don't know who she was.

Speaker 2 These people, I got two DMs and two texts from people that were there that just wanted to share that story. So I thought it was worth sharing on the show in case anybody knows who she was.

Speaker 2 Just absolutely great job by the medical staff to be able to spring into action that quickly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 last thing, and we're going to kick it to ourselves back in studio. We mentioned it with Pete Prisco, but

Speaker 1 knowing how to do CPR is pretty easy to take like an hour course.

Speaker 1 I mentioned it with Pete, but like I did do a course when I had, you know, my son and we had to do a child CPR lesson and stuff like that. Like you never know.

Speaker 1 You never know when it could help someone and there's heroes everywhere. So

Speaker 1 if this is a moment that spurs a lot of people to go out and get certified in CPR, like think about all the good that will happen from that. But at the end of the day,

Speaker 1 we know what... type of podcast we are.
We know that we're here to entertain people and not be super serious.

Speaker 1 We thought obviously this situation needed a little bit of a different tone to start the show.

Speaker 1 The rest of the show will be back in studio with everyone, back to our normal programming, because we know that people want to laugh and people want to think about something else.

Speaker 1 And maybe it's not even thinking about this, but thinking about something else that's going on in their life that's tough right now. So we know our role in the universe in that sense.
So with that,

Speaker 1 let's kick it to ourselves back in studio. We got Pete Prisco, Max Duggan, and the 2022 Bonkless and Hot Sea Cool Throne.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're back in studio.

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Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 Hank, start us off. Hot seat cool to row.

Speaker 1 My hot side is me, but I don't know that it's me. It's just something I wanted to, I've been thinking about for a while, and I want to talk with you guys about this.

Speaker 1 Non-cash tips. Yeah.
Every single

Speaker 1 food service, like, I feel like I used to have an understanding of the unwritten rules of tipping when you're supposed to tip, when you're not supposed to tip.

Speaker 1 But in today's day and age with technology, it seems like every single place you put a card, they ask for a tip.

Speaker 1 And it has thrown off my understanding of what is a tip and what's not a tip.

Speaker 1 And I also am woke about, I feel like if I'm tipping, like if I go to pick up food, I went to go pick up my lunch today, it asked for a tip. I don't think that that, if I give, you know, 20%, $2, $5,

Speaker 1 I don't think that's going to the person who made my food. Right.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So I've got and I just don't, I just want to, I want to get this out there because I don't want to be a Scrooge, but sometimes I do zero and then I feel cheap.

Speaker 1 But in my heart, I'm like, this is, this is correct.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's definitely something that we're seeing more and more of, especially at places where like you essentially it's transactional. You pay money and then you get your thing and leave.

Speaker 2 I have a very simple system for handling this. My system is if there's somebody next to me in line that can see if I'm leaving a tip or not, I leave a tip.
And if there's not, I usually don't.

Speaker 2 And then the report came out that it's 100% just to make, because I'd feel bad if the person behind me is like, oh, shit, PFT is cheap.

Speaker 1 Did you see what happened with CBS? No. They essentially, you know, they asked you sometimes to round up and it's a donation.
Yeah, yeah. They basically pledged like $15 million to

Speaker 1 whatever the corporation or the charity was. They pledged that.
They used other people's money to fulfill that $15 million, which is fraud.

Speaker 1 So that's in my head now too, where it's like, now I'm like, I don't even think, again, it's where I don't think if it's money going to the workers, that's one thing. I don't feel like it is.

Speaker 1 I just do 15%

Speaker 1 every time just so that the transaction is nice, clean. We did this.

Speaker 1 So then are you cheap? Is that cheap? No, I don't think that's bad tipper. No, I don't like, no, 15% on like takeout? I don't, this is where I get thrown off.
Are you talking about like...

Speaker 1 Yes, I'm talking about takeout. You're talking about like walking into five guys, ordering a burger, 15%.
That's what I do.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm not eating there. I'm just taking it and going away.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But five years ago, would you have tipped anything? Yeah, my option. Yeah, honestly,

Speaker 2 if they give you an option and it's not at like a CVS, if it's at a CVS or like a grocery store where they do those donation things, I'm just convinced that the money doesn't actually go there or like Hank's saying that it's actually going to go there from CVS and they're using us to refill what they're pledging.

Speaker 2 So my rule of thumb, I honestly just go like 20%.

Speaker 2 Just saying the only reason this has become a conversation is because that new square iPad type device that turns around.

Speaker 2 It actually became a TikTok trend, but it's just because certain, especially takeout places, use that type of payment system that has that tip option is why this has all been discussed.

Speaker 2 I don't think you're supposed to tip if you like pick up food.

Speaker 1 See, every rule is just if I pick up food, I do 15%. If I'm sitting down, it's 20% or more.
Yeah, I usually

Speaker 1 consider myself a good tipper, but I've been questioning myself when I go, I literally walk in, pick up the food, and then

Speaker 1 they ask me to tip, but I'm like, I don't think I'm

Speaker 1 tipping you. This is the way you got to think about all these things is the people working are probably not making a ton of money.

Speaker 1 And it's like, if it's a $15 meal and you're tipping 15%, that's like a couple bucks. What does that mean to you? Right.
It's probably, if enough people do it, it means a lot to them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If they get the money. And if they get the money.

Speaker 2 If it's takeout, there's usually somebody that's responsible for like putting the entire meal together packaging it up in the styrofoam and stuff so it's not you are getting service it's just not coming to your table it's just getting packaged up and put to a bag i do delivery 20 25

Speaker 2 i i usually if it's uh if it's the same place that i order from a lot yeah i go all the way to the right and i tip the most amount because i know that i'm probably going to see that person again yeah wait but real quick does that mean you guys tip at chipotle if they

Speaker 1 can be 15

Speaker 1 i can be bullied into a tip at chipotle chipotle is exactly what i'm talking about that's

Speaker 1 Like going to get a coffee, 15%.

Speaker 1 Chipotle, 15%.

Speaker 2 Basically, if somebody asks me for money, I feel bad not giving them money.

Speaker 1 I just hit the button.

Speaker 2 We're on the same page, you're hitting, correct?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we don't make 75K an episode. It's a little different.

Speaker 1 That's true. I'll give you one of my slurp juices.
Yeah, I'm down to 5K. Yeah.
Which, although that does queue into my cool throne, I have a couple.

Speaker 1 The first one was Insane NBA stat lines. Donovan Mitchell, 71 points last night.
Luca had that crazy 60-point triple-double a week ago, a a week and a half ago. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that's, you know, insane NBA stat lines are back. My other cool throne is actually me again.

Speaker 1 Darts Day. Everyone remembers Darts Day back in June.
The World Darts Federation or whatever it's called came to Madison Square Garden. Yeah, thanks for the invite.
A bunch of us went. It was awesome.

Speaker 2 I had a great time. I would have had a great time.

Speaker 1 I placed a bet, what I thought was a bet, on that night's event.

Speaker 1 I put in two people, Van Gerwin, who's the GOAT, and then Michael Smith, who's also pretty good, but he was a a much bigger underdog.

Speaker 1 Van Gerwin won the event, and I was like, yes, cash it like plus a thousand or something.

Speaker 1 It's just never cashed. It's been in my bet slip for the entire year.

Speaker 1 And it said the date that the finals were was January 1st. So I'm looking at January 1st, like finally, like I'm trying to track who's winning the championship.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to follow along what's going on.

Speaker 1 At no point was I ever sure when this was ending.

Speaker 1 It did end January 1st. It ended today, but the finals going on right now, Michael Van Gerwin and Michael Smith.
Wow, wow. So, guaranteed winner

Speaker 1 right before. When you win his start, it started today, right there.
I'm going to look at the clip after. I didn't get to watch it.
It was literally right before we started recording.

Speaker 1 Van Gerwen was one dart away from getting a nine-darter. He missed on the 12.
So eight out of nine. Michael Smith comes right after him, nine-darter.
Wow.

Speaker 1 Some are calling it the greatest hand of darts ever. I am.
Wow. I'm calling it the greatest hand.

Speaker 2 Isn't it an inning?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Yeah, I've done that before, Hick.
In like 2012, 2012, I want to say, when there was the World Cup, or was it 2010 World Cup? I bet on

Speaker 1 Cricket World Cup. And I had to wait like five months.

Speaker 1 And I was just sitting there like, what the fuck? It was June, and I've been looking every time I go into like, you know, it'll be NFL Sunday, be looking at my bets, and it's like, well,

Speaker 1 maybe this Van Gerwin will hit plus 1,200.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you've pretty much already spent that money, probably.

Speaker 2 How are you so good at betting darts?

Speaker 1 I just handicapped it well. Yeah.
I handicapped that event well, and then apparently they won the championship. I don't know.
I love it. Although,

Speaker 1 again, it said it ended January 1st. It's January 3rd right now, so I'm not even 100% positive that this is the end, but it has to be.

Speaker 2 Is it actually a cricket match where it's like four days long and I have to wait this long?

Speaker 1 I really hope.

Speaker 1 I'll fall back on Friday. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 2 Who's your goat?

Speaker 1 Van Gerwitz.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Michael Smith, though, better odds, more money.
You had to do. Hungry dungeon.
I'm kind of running. That always works out.

Speaker 1 Fuck you.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 My hot seat is women. Oh.
Women are on the hot seat

Speaker 2 because a study came out where they asked men and women of various ages what the chances would be that they could land an airplane, land an airliner if the pilot became incapacitated and they had to take over the cockpit with help from air traffic controllers so they could get on the radio.

Speaker 2 And less than 50% of women said that they could land an airliner. While 46% of men said that they could.
So men are at 46%,

Speaker 2 and only one in five women say that they could land an airliner if they were to take over it.

Speaker 1 Have a lot of faith in yourself.

Speaker 2 Have confidence in yourself. These things are basically like it's.

Speaker 1 You just press the land.

Speaker 2 You press autopilot and you talk to the people in the tower, and then you land the fucking plane. It's not that hard.

Speaker 1 And if you don't land it, you just take it back up and come back around.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's in the air. You just keep flying it.

Speaker 1 So there's, I mean, throttle down. There's lift, drag,

Speaker 2 and the other two, which are line.

Speaker 2 Anyways, I can land a fucking plane. It's not that hard.

Speaker 2 And so, if anybody out there,

Speaker 2 I would actually, if Southwest Airlines did give me a jet and they let me try this, I would be able to land this plane.

Speaker 1 What do you want with the jet out there? Yeah,

Speaker 2 you won a Pepsi challenge recently.

Speaker 1 What do you think this poll would be for parallel parking?

Speaker 2 What's that, Billy? You're forgetting the first part. What? Landing gear.

Speaker 1 Landing gear. No, no, you pour it.
Oh, Billy.

Speaker 2 If you pour fucking moron, that's the last thing that you do.

Speaker 1 No, you got to be a bad man.

Speaker 2 No, you know, on final approach, you put the flaps down, then you put the gear down. No, then you put the wheels down.
Sounds like you don't know how to land.

Speaker 1 Billy doesn't know. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 Billy might be a woman. I put the wheels down first.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 You don't know ball. Yeah, Billie Eilish.

Speaker 2 You're a wheels-up guy. I'm a wheels-down guy.
No, whatever. I could land a plane is what I'm getting at.
And I think everybody in the studio should be able to land a plane. What do you call them?

Speaker 1 A one-string?

Speaker 2 What do you mean?

Speaker 1 What's that thing? When they land them them on carriers? Oh, third cable.

Speaker 2 I hit the third cable, yeah. No, I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 Realistically, I don't think I would be able to land a plane on an aircraft carrier.

Speaker 2 First try. Not first try, but I do think, like, all joking aside, if I got behind the wheel or the stick of a 737

Speaker 2 and I was able to talk to air traffic control, I honestly do believe that I would be able to land a plane. I agree.

Speaker 1 Or about 740 something. These things are all fly by wire.

Speaker 2 747, I've never been in the cockpit of one of those, so I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 Easy. Easier.

Speaker 2 Airbus, probably.

Speaker 1 Just give me an iPad. Auto, auto, like, you just go right down.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's pretty simple stuff. It's not rocket science.
It's air science.

Speaker 1 When you guys were little kids, you know how they

Speaker 1 would make you turn off your phones and stuff? I thought that it was, because I didn't have a phone, but I had a Game Boy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I thought it was because if I kept it on, I would be able to land the plane with my Game Boy. You could.
That was just an all-time, like, we should do it.

Speaker 1 We should do a whole like dumb shit we thought of. I think we did a Mount Rushwarvet.
Like, I used to think my balls were Play-Doh when I was a little kid.

Speaker 2 I thought I was an elf

Speaker 2 when I was a child.

Speaker 1 Still? Well, no, I thought.

Speaker 2 That was because I had pointy ears.

Speaker 1 Why aren't I as tall as everyone else?

Speaker 1 Shut the fuck up. I must be a little bit more.
I'm loving creature.

Speaker 1 I stopped growing in eighth grade.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 5'8. That's actually a pretty normal-sized thing, which brings me.

Speaker 1 I have dropped you off of your house before. It was a big tree.
No,

Speaker 2 it's a giant shoe.

Speaker 1 Keebler.

Speaker 2 The bottom line is I could land an airplane, and I'd like women out there to have more confidence in themselves. So people are like, oh,

Speaker 2 this just speaks to the irrational confidence of men. I think that women are just too humble.
You can do it, ladies. You can land a plane.
It's not that difficult.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Okay, your cool throne?

Speaker 2 My cool throne is short kings, like myself, because elves, because there was a

Speaker 2 post that came out in the New York Times. It was an article about why people need to start appreciating short kings more and why being short is better for the future.
So,

Speaker 2 this author, Mara Altman, wrote an essay saying that not only do shorter people tend to live longer, but they're also crucial in conserving food and resources on our dying planet.

Speaker 2 The short are also inherent conservationists, which is more crucial than ever in this world of 8 billion. So, basically,

Speaker 2 if we were 10% shorter, we would save 87 million

Speaker 2 tons of food per year, not to mention trillions of gallons of water, quadrillions of BTUs of energy, and millions of tons of trash. So it's truly the age of

Speaker 2 short king. Bill Gates wrote it.
It sounds like we're doing eugenics, but for tall people? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Listen, I don't think that any 5'9 person in power would ever try to eliminate people that he saw as undesirable, Billy. That's just not how we operate.

Speaker 1 So short kings are back.

Speaker 2 Short kings are back, and I am a self-hating short king at times because I do fully acknowledge the fact that like if you're under five foot nine you should not be in charge of a military.

Speaker 2 I think time and time again.

Speaker 1 Or a company.

Speaker 2 We've learned that lesson that

Speaker 2 a country should not be run by a 5'3 man. You shouldn't get to drive the car.

Speaker 1 You shouldn't get to be in

Speaker 1 company. No, I've got pedalers.
We've got planes. Planes.
Yeah, they probably shouldn't fly planes.

Speaker 1 That's for bosses, six and above.

Speaker 2 So anyways, all you tall people out there that think that you're so great just because you hit the genetic lottery, just know that you're slowly strangling the earth.

Speaker 1 I don't think I'm I'm great. I just know that

Speaker 1 you're slowly strangling the earth. Taller man more.

Speaker 2 You're slowly destroying this planet that we love so much.

Speaker 1 All right, my hot seat, I have two.

Speaker 1 The first one is Chris Sims. I don't know if you guys saw this, but Chris Sims is beefing with the Sports Center Instagram account.
So he got very, very upset. Omar? Chris, is that who runs it?

Speaker 1 Chris Sims had a take earlier this year that said there's just no way, talking about, sorry, talking about Jalen Hurts, he said there's just no way he's more valuable to his team than Mahomes, Burrow, or Allen.

Speaker 1 Those teams are not the same teams if they don't have them at a quarterback. If you put Gardner Minshew in for the Eagles, they'd still be really damn good.

Speaker 1 Gardner Minshew obviously started twice, lost twice. So Sports Center keeps posting it over and over and over.

Speaker 1 And Chris Sims went on his podcast, he said, fuck you, Sports Center Instagram for putting it out there for a third time in three weeks. Like, fuck off.
Like, really fuck off, ESPN Sports Center.

Speaker 1 Do they not make content over there anymore? I mean, damn, stop jocking me, ESPN. Holy shit, give me a piece of your check.
Invite me on Sports Center, and let's have a fucking conversation.

Speaker 1 That might be a little bit of an overreaction.

Speaker 2 Anytime you're getting into an actual debate with a brand account, you're already losing. You're already losing at that point.
Like, what are you expecting Sports Center is going to write back to you?

Speaker 1 It's also just, you know, if you're in this business, you're going to be wrong. How you handle being wrong is a pretty big testament to who you are.

Speaker 2 Well, I actually think that Chris Sims is doing the right thing in the wrong way, which is turning this into content for himself and getting us to talk about Chris Sims. True.

Speaker 2 Beefing with a Sports Center Instagram account.

Speaker 1 Well, no,

Speaker 2 but he's actually mad about it. Right, he's very mad.
He's actually very mad online about it, where he should just be pretending to be mad online and then using this to get us to talk about him.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. I also, I hand up if Chris Sims is looking for haters.

Speaker 1 I did during Thursday Night Football Jets Jaguars retweet the tweet where he said Zach Wilson is, I see Patrick Mahomes, I see Patrick Mahomes, a lot of Patrick Mahomes, or sorry, I see a lot of Patrick Mahomes in Zach Wilson.

Speaker 1 He's my number one quarterback this year.

Speaker 1 I did retweet that. So if you're looking for anyone who's trying to jock you, I hand up, I've jocked you, Chris Sims.
Got you. It's fucking funny.
Isn't it?

Speaker 1 If you get upset about old takes exposed, you shouldn't be in this business.

Speaker 2 Isn't Chris Sims also a top-button guy?

Speaker 1 Yeah, on the other side. On the dress shirt.

Speaker 2 At what point in life do you make the decision I'm going to be the top-button guy? Because

Speaker 2 you can't just transition into it. It's not like the bow tie where you phase out of that.

Speaker 2 If you're a top-button guy, I almost assume you have to be a top-button guy from the jump once you go on TV the first time.

Speaker 1 And I like Chris Sims. I know him personally, but Chris,

Speaker 1 I got to maybe reach out to him and be like, dude, you can't let the ESPN Instagram account win. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He should do like an informal version of his podcast where he takes the button down. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Or that's a segment. I could also tell that this was brewing because he did text me a few months ago

Speaker 1 a little upset about

Speaker 1 my affiliation with Tuanon. So he and Florio do not like Tuanon.
And so they're like, who's Tuanon?

Speaker 1 Trying to get the hard answers.

Speaker 2 Did they come back at? Did they... Is he showing like a victory parade right now? Oh, no, it's concussed.
Oh, yeah, it's true.

Speaker 1 You can't victory parade.

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My other hot seat is Dana White. That was bad.
Yeah. You had that, Billy? That was my hot seat.

Speaker 1 What are your thoughts then?

Speaker 2 He got bitch slapped.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that wouldn't be my thoughts. Your takeaway

Speaker 2 is that he got slapped.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Billy, I can't believe you sometimes.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I think the other part was probably the takeaway. Yeah, if you missed the video, Jada White slapped his wife in public.
Billy.

Speaker 1 Apologize, but also

Speaker 1 I just think that if you slap your wife in public, that's what you're saying. Or in private.

Speaker 1 No, I'm saying if you slap your wife in public, it feels like you might be okay with slapping your wife all the time. Yes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's not something that you do. Like you go out to the club.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, it's a just woke up and I was a wife slap guy.

Speaker 2 You're surrounded by a hundred people and you start hitting your your wife.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he said it was like alcohol. It's like a drunken word speaks sober thoughts thing where bad, bad, bad, bad.
You're doing that when you're really drunk. Yeah, bad, bad, bad.

Speaker 1 Just don't hit women. Very, very easy rule to live by.
Yeah. Just straight up.

Speaker 2 Do not do it.

Speaker 2 That Sean Connery interview went viral a couple days ago when Barbara Walters died. And she was like, you said an interview at one point that it's okay to hit your wife.

Speaker 2 And he was like, yeah, no, I stand by that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And she was like,

Speaker 1 she was like, what? Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's something that you fully expect a guy like that to be like, no, actually, that was taken out of context, and it sounds really bad, but here's what I meant. But he like doubled down on it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 She's like, no, it's true.

Speaker 1 Very bad. Very bad.
All right, my cool throne is Tulane Football. Just want to give a shout-out to Tulane Football.
What a fucking comeback against USC. Also, an all-time stinking Riley.

Speaker 1 Like, USC, this is the bet you made. He's a very good coach.
Yeah. But his defense has never been good.
And those things will happen.

Speaker 1 But I just, they have Tulane has like some of the best colors in the country, they haven't been good in forever.

Speaker 2 I love that logo, too.

Speaker 1 And Scott, oh, it's so good.

Speaker 1 They left, I think it was like sometime in the 50s, they left the SEC for academics, and uh, it's been all downhill since in terms of the football program, but they're back, what, 12-win season, maybe 11-12-win?

Speaker 1 Two and ten to I think 11.

Speaker 1 I think it might be 12 and two.

Speaker 2 It's the biggest turnaround, I think, in college football history.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Willie Fritz. Shout out Willie Fritz, and uh, that was an awesome, fun game.
I'm going to miss bowl season very much. It really is my favorite time to watch it.
Also,

Speaker 1 anyone who had Illinois plus three and a half, my thoughts are for you, but you really shouldn't have bet against a dead coach game.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's on you.

Speaker 2 At the end of the Tulane game, I love seeing the fans just like freak out because it was never in your expectation if you went to Tulane that you'd ever find yourself in a position like beating USC in a bowl game.

Speaker 2 And the look on their faces of like, holy shit, we did it. That's the best part about college football.

Speaker 2 And there's some people saying that Oklahoma fans bitching about Lincoln Riley and using this as an opportunity to take a leak on him because he lost this bowl game is immature and beneath the people of Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 I actually, I think this is exactly what you should be doing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's that's that's college football.

Speaker 2 That's college football. If you're an Oklahoma Sooners fan, you should be the most petty person on earth and celebrate every single one of Lincoln Riley's failures.

Speaker 1 Facts. The other thing about that game, I don't remember ever having a safety mean more.
They were down eight and they got a safety. Yeah.
I don't think I've I've ever seen that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because usually safeties happen in weird score games or defensive battles or it will happen early. Like, oh, put a pin in that.

Speaker 1 It was literally just a two-point conversion they got, and they got the ball back and scored and won. Yeah.

Speaker 2 What do you think about this Mike Greenberg dumb rule? Safety should be worth four.

Speaker 2 Because the safeties are so hard to get. I think safety.
Six points is like

Speaker 2 spitting in the face of the defense.

Speaker 1 And they always stop the forward motion. Yeah.
So I was going to say, I think a safety should count as four if it's a clean sack of the quarterback in the end zone.

Speaker 2 Okay. And if it's a holding in the end zone, it's two or three.

Speaker 1 Yeah, two. I think two, like a holding in the end zone, two, when the running back tries to run and he gets stopped, that should be two.

Speaker 1 But a true old-fashioned sack in the end zone, because that doesn't really happen.

Speaker 2 It doesn't. I would say, like, if you stop a running back cold in the end zone, that's three.
Yeah. That's in between.
I like it.

Speaker 1 I like it. Billy.

Speaker 2 Just saying, I'm very against violence against women.

Speaker 1 Oh, thank you.

Speaker 2 But you're also against dudes looking like bitches, it sounds like.

Speaker 1 Yes. Oh, God, Billy, come on.
Oh, no.

Speaker 2 No, that was a bad joke. I'm really sorry.
My Cool Throne, Adventure.

Speaker 1 Adventure. Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, no, he's on the hot seat. He knows.
That was unspoken. My hot seat, again, is made for a thing that I said five seconds ago.

Speaker 2 It's a wild video all-round.

Speaker 1 Wild by everyone. Yes, everyone.
Mostly Dana White. It is bad.
Yes, mostly Dana White. Actually, almost all Dana White.
All Dana White. It looks terrible throughout the whole thing.
Yes.

Speaker 2 My cool throw on his adventure. There's a bunch of treasure in the East River.

Speaker 1 Why? Ancient treasure. Okay, I love this.

Speaker 2 I love this for you, Billy. It sounds like a fun project that you can work on.

Speaker 1 Like coins?

Speaker 2 But why are you giving this all away? If there's actually treasure there, why are you saying it on because it's already out there? The sports podcast is there.

Speaker 1 No, but dude, what? Why would you do that? Here, I'll give you. You can bleep one thing from this show.
You want to bleep that?

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 2 Treasure is on East 65th Street, next to the FDR Drive Drive, in the water. And Donnie from Donnie does.
He's got a buddy with a boat. And we're going to try to go get it.
Nice.

Speaker 1 Okay, so Donnie has swam across the East River.

Speaker 2 Why are you giving people the exact coordinates of this treasure?

Speaker 1 It's already out there.

Speaker 2 Okay, but you're amplifying the messages.

Speaker 1 How do you know that it's there?

Speaker 2 We don't know if it's there.

Speaker 1 What is it exactly?

Speaker 2 It's woolly mammoth bones. Tusks, ivory worth millions.
To Billy, it's treasure.

Speaker 1 Who it's paying for doesn't.

Speaker 2 Once it's worth millions, bro.

Speaker 1 But like who? Who do you sell it to?

Speaker 2 Russians, probably.

Speaker 1 All right, so if there's actually Willie Mammoth bones.

Speaker 1 That's one of those answers that's so dumb, but I kind of agree.

Speaker 2 That was an answer from Billy that I know is wrong, but I just don't want to explore it any further.

Speaker 1 I mean, no, but it makes sense. Russians would buy it.

Speaker 2 If it's in the river, isn't the water...

Speaker 2 It's an estuary, so the tide does come in and out, and there has been many, you know, generational, gigantic hurricanes that have hit since they were dropped off in a long time ago so how did the bones get there what about like all

Speaker 1 oil and gas from boats that come through constantly okay greta

Speaker 2 uh we're gonna go look for these bones we're gonna throw on some wetsuits and go scuba diving or just free diving all right so what are you gonna do with them once hopefully we find them yeah then we get to go on joe rogan okay wait billy you I've got a tusk.

Speaker 2 I've got a woolly mammoth tusk I can give you. Should we just fake we found a tusk? And we should send it to the Russians.
Yeah, send it to the Russians. No, no, let's go.

Speaker 2 Using your Russian connections.

Speaker 2 I've got a molar, too. Wait, let's just pretend we found those in the East River and then

Speaker 1 you should go.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you should go. Yeah, go.
Yeah, go. And don't worry about like getting a certified scuba or whatever.
Just jump in.

Speaker 1 Don't even use a scuba to actually. I'm a three guys.

Speaker 2 Yeah, hold on. It's only 15 feet.

Speaker 2 Then you hit sludge.

Speaker 1 You know what you need to do is you need to tape it. And there's no way it's underneath the sludge.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's going to be in the sludge. So I think we're going to get a big hook on the end of a line

Speaker 2 and then just drag it around the bottom. Sounds like you've got this all planned out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's perfect.

Speaker 2 And if anybody has an underwater drone that, you know, they would lend us that. James Cameron.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But, yeah, or if anyone has some serious equipment that could actually help us find it in the East River, we're going to be coordinating this.

Speaker 1 This is like

Speaker 2 TV. If James Cameron directed National Treasure, this is what you've gotten yourself into.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I like it.
Great director, great movie. Let's go.

Speaker 1 Jake.

Speaker 2 My hot seat is name mix-ups. So we have this PJA golfer named Scott Stallings.
Yes. And a random guy named Scott Stallings was sent the invitation to participate in this year's Masters Tournament.

Speaker 2 And he DM'd him and said, I think this is for you.

Speaker 1 All-time good guy move. I would have absolutely shown you.

Speaker 2 Shown up at the range.

Speaker 1 Like, here's my

Speaker 1 invite.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's a classic golf fan, too. Yeah.
Like, self-policing.

Speaker 1 Like, you deserve to be in the Scott Stallings has to get him tickets, right? Yeah, has to. Has to.

Speaker 2 Has to. He does.
At least Caddy the Parthi, if he doesn't have kids.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. If he doesn't have kids.
Follow up on that, please.

Speaker 1 Make sure that Scott, if he doesn't, I will skull fuck

Speaker 1 the real Scott Stallings. The golfer.
Yeah, the golfer.

Speaker 2 Yeah. What would you do, Jake, if that got sent to you? Oh, I mean, DM right away.
Oh. Yeah, you would.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'd be showing up.

Speaker 2 I would probably kill the real Scott Stallings and just assume his identity entirely. I'd be like, listen, I've got the start right here.

Speaker 1 Imagine he won. How awesome would that be, too, if you showed up and they actually let you play and you just posted like who is through two rounds of

Speaker 1 250?

Speaker 2 The fake Clay Thompson right at the finals.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he got all the way on the court. He warmed up.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 My other hot seat's March Madness. There's talks of expanding it to 90 teams today, which would be

Speaker 1 not great. No, no, I'm in.
Five more games.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm in. I don't.
Fuck it. I'm in.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, okay, so. More games.
The downside, I get.

Speaker 1 It means a little bit less to get to the tournament.

Speaker 2 You can go under 500 and make the tournament.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's going to be a lot of of bad teams in the tournament. But then, on the flip side, way more games.
So,

Speaker 1 yeah, I think I'm in. I think that's the part that I'm in on.
Way more games. You get, what, a whole other weekend? Probably.

Speaker 1 In.

Speaker 1 So in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 I know that. Listen, whenever these expansion things are discussed.
This is a crazy expansion.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I know, but like even college football expansion or the NFL playoff expansion, MLB, every league is expanding, and I get the argument, like, you know, making the playoffs means less.

Speaker 1 You're going to have bad teams, but then when you start the playoffs, there's just more playoffs. Right.
And that fucking rules. Yeah, that week one

Speaker 2 campus site, college football playoff set of games is going to be unreal.

Speaker 1 Do you know what we need less of is the regular season. We need more playoffs in all things.

Speaker 1 Playoffs are the best.

Speaker 2 I actually think that I'm going to hate the New March Madness. The bracket's going to look ugly as hell.
And I'm going to despise it for the first year.

Speaker 2 And then after that first weekend, I'll be like, honestly, that was good because it's just more sports.

Speaker 1 They also, if they do it correctly, I think the way to do it would not to be make a 90

Speaker 1 bracket, 90 team bracket. It would be basically just an entire bracket of play-ins.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because then it would just, then that's like, hey, you can make the, oh, they're not really in the tournament yet, but those are still games you'd watch. Remember, what was the game?

Speaker 1 Was it Notre Dame?

Speaker 1 Who played Notre Dame in the play-in this year?

Speaker 2 Oh, Ruckers. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Awesome, awesome game.
And you play those Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Those higher-seeded teams, though? No, those were like the last ends.
The last four ends. Yeah.
Their last four ends.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm saying. Just make it all the last, whatever.
It'd be like the last 30 in.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's the last at-large ones that get in. Yeah.
So the conference champions still get in no matter what. Right.

Speaker 1 And it would just be fun to watch. Then you just put it, you know, five games Monday, five games Tuesday, five games Wednesday, and then start the real tournament.

Speaker 2 It sounds good to me. Sounds great to me.
So I'm looking at a blank 90-team bracket right now in this format of 38 teams would get a buy.

Speaker 2 I don't know how the math works out there, but the top 38 would be...

Speaker 1 Does Wisconsin get a buy this year? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's too many rules.

Speaker 1 It's the top 25. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. I just want to see where your bracket is.

Speaker 2 That's the one thing I don't like about this type of thing. It's new rules that I have to learn.
And new procedures. And new details.

Speaker 2 My brain doesn't have any more space for being like, oh, it's 38 buys, and then this is how it recedes once the different play-ins beat each other. There's no reseed.

Speaker 1 I don't want chaos.

Speaker 2 I don't want to know all that, though. It's so nice to sit down, 64 teams, you play each other, and then boom, you get a champion.

Speaker 1 I hear you, PFT, but more March Madness.

Speaker 2 Yes, it's more games.

Speaker 1 Yeah, which is why I'm saying, like, I hate it now.

Speaker 2 And the bracket's going to piss me off.

Speaker 2 But then once we're actually in the thick of it, I'll be like, okay, more sports.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I need to just find someone. I think Rasillo doesn't like expanded playoffs.
I need to just sit there and debate him.

Speaker 1 And he just makes this long-winded argument about how it makes the regular season cheap. And I'll just be like, but more March Madness.
Yeah. And then I win because it's more March Madness.

Speaker 1 So no one would complain about it.

Speaker 2 Let's see if that happens. My cool throw, big cat, we did it.
Flex of the year. Yeah.
I want to know on our last one, Packers, Lions. Thank you for convincing me.
Yep.

Speaker 1 They had a hard-on for Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and there are people saying that the game might be irrelevant for the Lions if the Seahawks win, but the Aaron Rodgers button, like you said Saturday with the Mahomes button, superstars move the needle.

Speaker 2 Move the needle.

Speaker 1 And I would say that the Lions, even if they are eliminated, they're going to want to eliminate their division rival. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Sometimes

Speaker 1 finish over 500,

Speaker 1 the Lions are going to play hard no matter what. Yeah, I actually think the real strategy is if the Rams lose to the Seahawks, hammer the Lions because that line will go up.

Speaker 1 Like, that line will go to six, seven. Yeah.
And the Lions are going to try very hard still.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm trying to think what would be the most heartbreaking result for the Lions because Lions fans will assume that that's what's going to happen.

Speaker 2 So if it's, would it be worse if the Seahawks win and then the Lions lose to the Packers no or would it be worse if the Lions win

Speaker 2 or wait a second

Speaker 2 if the Seahawks win and then the Lions doesn't really matter at that point the worst outcome for the Lions would be the Seahawks winning a very tight nail-biting game where like maybe the Rams are up all game and then the Seahawks win the game and then the Lions absolutely obliterating the Packers they win too and so it's like we did our job but we just didn't get in yeah now it's interesting because the there's some draft pick ramifications, too, with the Rams.

Speaker 2 So the Rams owe the Lions some draft picks for the Matthew Stafford trade, and so it's actually in the Lions' best interest in a weird way if the Rams lose this game.

Speaker 1 Right. So they win no matter what.

Speaker 2 They win no matter what. Yeah, it's actually maybe for the first time ever, win-win for the Lions this weekend.
Good job, Lions.

Speaker 1 So finishing this season with the flex of the year win.

Speaker 2 Now I know for next season, just always favor the superstars.

Speaker 1 Always. Just always.
And the Cowboys. I mean, think about it.
The Saturday schedule, Jaguars, Titans, we knew we were going to be in there because it's a win-and-get-in.

Speaker 1 And then Saturday afternoon, they had to figure out a game. What's a game that doesn't mean anything, but every casual fan will tune in? The Mahomes button.
Yep. It just works.
There we have it.

Speaker 1 Okay. Let's get to Pete Prisco.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend. It is Pete Prisco.
He's a senior NFL columnist at CBS Sports.com, analyst for CBS Sports HQ.

Speaker 1 Pete, we talked about it at the beginning of the show, obviously Monday Night Football,

Speaker 1 really, really sad thing that happened, and we all watched it and we're pretty shook.

Speaker 1 And we want to talk about other stuff because we don't want to repeat and just do an entire show about this one event. But you have covered football for a very long time.

Speaker 1 You've seen a lot of football games.

Speaker 1 Where was this kind of in terms of uncharted territory when you're watching it on Monday night?

Speaker 5 It was terrifying. I mean, let's be real.
It was terrifying. And

Speaker 5 you guys have been around long enough. You watch the game.
You know, when players react to it, you go, oh my gosh, there's something really wrong here.

Speaker 5 And I've seen, I remember there was a guy once who ran a play when he was with Jacksonville in training camp. And as soon as he ran the play, you heard,

Speaker 5 and all the players went oh my god and they started running away and you knew it was bad but you've never seen anything like this this was this was i mean this was a man fighting for his life on the football field and so it was terrifying and we saw back in the day when i was a kid i was 11 years old chuck hughes died when he was playing and you know you remember that and you say oh my gosh it's terrible and he had a heart attack on the football field it wasn't because he got hit although some people later disputed that but he had a heart attack on the football field and died as well so look terrifying pit in your stomach you hope the kid's okay.

Speaker 5 You pray for him, and then you go from there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, I mean, it's true.
And it's, I think we all just sat there like in complete shock because it was,

Speaker 1 I think the moment when they went to the Bills players and you saw guys in tears and you saw guys putting their hands over their mouth, you're like, players always know.

Speaker 1 Players always know before anyone else. It's just they know what a regular football hit looks like.
They know what a regular energy looks like. They know what something very severe and bad looks like.

Speaker 1 And it was.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they could play play the game there's no way you play that game no way you play the game and and do you have uh

Speaker 1 i'm kind of in a spot right now torn i i i do think that the nfl is callous we all know that but i also think we sit on our couch being like you got to stop the game there's a lot of things that go into it i don't know how how the order of operations went down uh it feels like zach taylor and sean mcdermott were were the real heroes of being like we're listening to our guys and we're not playing this game

Speaker 5 yeah but there's differing reports of whether there is actually a five-minute warm-up and then play the game.

Speaker 5 I find that highly unlikely, to be honest with you, but you never know until all the details get ironed out. But here's the other thing.

Speaker 5 Your coaches, you have to take that on yourselves. These players could have just said, we're not playing.
They're not going to play. It would have looked bad for the league.

Speaker 5 I think they ultimately got handled the right way. Now the question becomes, what do you do? I mean, that's an important game in the football sense of it.

Speaker 5 And sometimes you got to separate life and football, but that's an important game. Let's hope DeMar Hamlin wakes, you know, wakes up, comes out of this as soon as possible.
He's fine.

Speaker 5 He moves on, and then they can play the game at some point. And when they play it, that's the tough part of it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, when Christian Erickson, the soccer player, when he died on the field, he went into cardiac arrest. They spent in the game for a couple hours.

Speaker 2 He went to the hospital, and then I think there was a picture that was tweeted out, or he was responsive.

Speaker 2 He was, you know, they give him CPR, and he kind of returned to normal. And at that point, the teams agreed, okay, I guess we can retake the field and play the game right now.

Speaker 2 As long as Hamlin is in the situation that it seems like he's in right now, which is very much in limbo and you don't know what's going to happen, if he's in that situation, I don't know how you can ask the Bills to play.

Speaker 5 Correct. I would agree with you 100%.

Speaker 5 If he's still unknown and his outcome is unknown, I don't know how you ask him to play either. One thing, though, thank gosh, there's defibrillators on the sidelines and NFL Stadium is in.

Speaker 5 And this should be a message to all the high schools and everybody else out there. Get those on the sidelines.
I mean, seriously, that's that, those kind of hits can happen all the time.

Speaker 1 And this will be the last thing we talk about it, but it's also a great message.

Speaker 1 Get CPR certified. It takes two seconds.

Speaker 1 I mean, not two seconds, but it really does. It's a low bar to go do it.

Speaker 1 It's a one-hour class. I remember when my, before my kids were born, I had to go do it just because you have to, you know what I mean? Like, child CPR is different than adult CPR.

Speaker 1 And it's like, it's something, it's kind of like being a kidney or an organ donor on your license. Like, you could save someone's life.
You never know when that could happen.

Speaker 2 All right. So, like, in those situations, like, it is true.
It's cliche to say, but seconds do matter. Oh, yeah.
Like, the difference between 30 seconds and a minute could be massive. Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 All right. So

Speaker 1 we'll transition to some other football because we do have week 18 coming. I wanted to go back and I looked at your Super Bowl prediction.
So let's start there.

Speaker 1 You had the Buffalo Bills over the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 1 Are the Green Bay Packers still able to win the Super Bowl this year, Pete Prisco?

Speaker 5 Yes, they are.

Speaker 5 And you know what? They're the team that nobody's going to want in the postseason. Everybody in the AMC playoffs right now is rooting for the Detroit Lions this week.

Speaker 5 They don't want Green Bay in there because Rodgers can get hot. The defense can take the ball away.

Speaker 5 They still have run defense issues, which is a major problem for them, but they can take the ball away. Their offensive line's getting healthy.
Bakhtiari's back. Jenkins is back.

Speaker 5 They're healthy up front. The young wide receivers are growing up.
Nobody wants them in the postseason.

Speaker 1 Yes, they could still go to the Super bowl oh man no they're not good is there something to be said about like a team i guess we've had the the bottom seeds win super bowls i think the green bay packers did the green bay and the ravens did right i think aaron rods did yeah no he did the bears let him in the giants did it the way the giants have done it before teams get all

Speaker 5 yeah absolutely you can you can do it when he won the super bowl rod He did it. He got as hot as possibly can be.

Speaker 5 And look, every year there's a team that comes from nowhere that shows up and makes a deep playoff push.

Speaker 5 And the Bengals, who thought the Bengals were going to make a deep playoff push, the Super Bowl push last year.

Speaker 1 But, okay, all right. So my only counterpoint to it, and I know that, you know, I obviously remember the year that was the Randall Cobb year.
Or no, that wasn't the Randall Cobb year.

Speaker 1 There's so many fucking tortured years. It was the Jay Cutler knee year in the NFC Championship.

Speaker 1 The Packers, like the Bengals last year is a good example. They went and they beat the Chiefs

Speaker 1 before the playoffs. You know what I mean? Like they were peaking.
They were beating good teams. The Packers have beaten the Titans, the Dolphins with two issues.

Speaker 5 No, they lost to the Titans. They lost to the Titans.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's right. They lost to the Titans.

Speaker 1 They haven't beaten unbelievable teams.

Speaker 2 They beat the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they beat the Cowboys. They have issues with the Cowboys.
I'm just trying to grab it.

Speaker 5 They beat the Vikings. The Vikings have

Speaker 1 stink.

Speaker 1 You know, the Vikings stink.

Speaker 5 You know, deep down. I'm with you.

Speaker 5 They're minus 19-point differential. They have 12 wins.
That's incredible. That is why they beat beat Miami on the road.

Speaker 1 They beat the Bears, suck. They beat the Rams, suck.
They beat the Dolphins with two issues, and then they beat the Vikings. Those are the last four wins.

Speaker 1 Why are we saying that this is like they're peaking at the right time? Come on.

Speaker 5 Well, okay.

Speaker 5 Okay, San Francisco. Yeah.
They're probably the best team in the NFC right now, right? I agree.

Speaker 5 You don't know what Purdy's going to do in the playoffs. They have no idea.

Speaker 2 Okay, I think the 49ers are built to the point where they can actually take that guy in a video game.

Speaker 2 You know, like the fourth string quarterback that you select and it's just the silhouette of a gray head and that guy's playing quarterback for you.

Speaker 2 The Niners can do, as long as that gray head doesn't turn the ball over, as long as that gray head doesn't throw three interceptions, I think the 49ers are built to the point where they could beat any team in the NFL.

Speaker 5 Because they've won so many Super Bowls playing that way. They haven't won any.
I mean, yeah, I get it. I mean, oh, they could do it with Jimmy.
They could do it with this guy.

Speaker 5 They could do it with Trey Land. They could haven't won it yet.
So there's always the possibility they can't win it.

Speaker 5 So I get what you're saying because that team is talented and that defense is nasty.

Speaker 5 And D'Amico Ryan's a great coach and Kyle Shanahan's one of the best play callers, if not the best playballer in the NFL. But there's always the unknown.
What if they're down 10 in the fourth quarter?

Speaker 5 Can Purdy take them back?

Speaker 2 Christian McCaffrey will throw a three touchdown pass.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, it's halfback tosses. It's a fair point.
All right, so sticking the NFC.

Speaker 1 Maybe.

Speaker 1 I don't care either way, but Max, our producer, is a big Eagles fan. I don't care about the Eagles at all, but to make him feel better.

Speaker 5 Well, as long as Hurt's back, they're tough to defend. I mean, it's a hard team to defend.
It's a hard team to get ready for.

Speaker 5 If you've got to beat them, if you say you win your divisional round, you've got to play them in the championship game. It's hard to get ready for that style of offense in that short period of time.

Speaker 5 So it's going to be a challenge for anybody. They're different offense.
Scarter Mitchie's not a... starting quarterback in the NFL.
Anybody who keeps saying that is way off base, he's not.

Speaker 5 He's a backup quarterback. He's a good backup quarterback.
But they're a different offense when Jalen Hurts is in the lineup.

Speaker 5 Not having Lane Johnson Hurts, by the way, he got sacked six times last week. They were brutalized up front.
That's not a good thing. And they have run defense issues, which is never a good thing.

Speaker 5 So, is it easy to say they're the number one seed and they're going to go run through the NFC? Absolutely not. Yeah.

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Speaker 2 uh what about the bucks tell me that is tom brady

Speaker 2 is he peaking at the right time is it going to be one of those things where he's going to host a playoff game like i'll ask you this way out of the old guys in the nfc who's more likely to go on a run right now aaron rodgers or tom brady tom brady because he's at home i think that matters

Speaker 5 you're all everybody's sitting here saying the same exact thing and we've said it all year at some point tom brady's gonna look like tom brady but last week he finally did so what's gonna happen in the first round round of the playoffs, who's going there?

Speaker 5 The Cowboys. And everybody's going to sit there and say, oh, there go the Cowboys.
They're going to lose to Tom Brady because Tom Brady and his team has figured it out.

Speaker 5 What has happened is the offensive line has got guys back now. Works is back.
That's important for them. I think that showed he could stand in there and make the throws.

Speaker 5 And Carolina, what were you doing leaving your corner in one-on-one situations over there the entire game with Mike Evans? You just abused him. It was a terrible plan.

Speaker 5 So yeah, Tampa Bay can get on a roll. I don't think they're good enough to win it, but they can get get a couple wins in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm unfortunately starting to, I've thought the Bucs have been trash all year, and I'm starting to believe in them, especially if Ryan Jensen comes back, because that's really been, I've been a big believer that the Bucs defense has been good.

Speaker 1 It's their offensive line that has just made Tom Brady look as bad as possible all year long, and like everyone's out of sync, can't run the football.

Speaker 1 With Tristan Wurfs and Ryan Jensen possibly back, it's like, I don't know, maybe they will make a run.

Speaker 5 You know what's great, though? You said, oh, Tom Brady's peaking at the right time. Yeah, at the age of 46.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's peaking. He hasn't even peaked yet.
He hasn't even peaked. It's incredible.

Speaker 5 Whatever

Speaker 5 avocado ice cream or whatever the hell he puts in his body, we should all be eating that.

Speaker 5 Lord knows we don't.

Speaker 1 All right. So the AFC, I want to give you.

Speaker 5 Because I see your donuts every Saturday, too, by the way.

Speaker 1 I'm on a diet now, so I'm on a diet now. You're going to.

Speaker 5 And welcome to my world.

Speaker 1 You're going to see me Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 We get victim.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 You're going to see me. I saw you guys are both going to be ripped at the Super Bowl.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm back on the Peloton, Pete.

Speaker 2 I know that triggers you when I post my scores.

Speaker 5 How long were you off of it?

Speaker 2 Two years. About two years.
I took a brief hiatus.

Speaker 5 Okay. So

Speaker 5 when I see you at the Super Bowl, you're both going to be ripped.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Pretty much at the Super Bowl, like, don't worry about your laundry. You can just do it on my abs.

Speaker 5 No, there's no conceivable way in that time frame you can make that happen. Zero.
Okay.

Speaker 2 I actually did earlier this morning, hand up, I Googled

Speaker 2 male liposuction abdominals cost.

Speaker 2 So it's in my price range.

Speaker 2 I might just go under the knife.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 You know what it is? And I go see my doctor before every season. And he said, I said, yeah, this is going to be the year.

Speaker 5 I'm not going to put on the 10 to 12 pounds I put on every year for fatball season. And he goes, yeah, and okay, we'll make an appointment for you in March and we'll see.
And here it is in January.

Speaker 5 And here it is fatball season.

Speaker 1 Okay. You go to your doctor every year.
You go to your doctor right before every season. That's such a football guy guy move.
Like, just a quick checkup, see how we're doing?

Speaker 5 I do all my appointments before the season, and then you go back after the season and he yells at you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like a physical getting ready for it. Yeah, I like that.
All right, so the AFC, I want to give you, not talking about the playoffs yet, I want to give you credit.

Speaker 1 I want to give you your soapbox.

Speaker 1 You have been right about Russell Wilson, especially this year. How good does it feel to have a lot of the nerds and step boys who wanted Russ to cook?

Speaker 1 How good does this year feel for Pete Prisco and his long-standing take that he's a good quarterback, but he makes a lot of mistakes and his height is a detriment?

Speaker 5 And his inability to move is now a detriment, too. I mean, he's at points of the season, he looked like one of us.
I mean, he just doesn't move very well.

Speaker 5 And so that's the concern. Look, I'm not going to sit here and say he didn't have good years because he did, but early in his career, best scoring defense in the league, four straight years.

Speaker 5 The only other team to do it was the 50s Dynasty Browns. So that tells you how good they were on defense, and they could run the ball.
He didn't have to do much.

Speaker 5 When he had to do stuff, they let him play loose and he was free. And he did a nice job.
He was a good quarterback.

Speaker 5 But that was all, you know, getting outside the pocket, creating with his legs, going up tempo. And now I think we're seeing the results of not being able to move like he used to move.

Speaker 5 He's not good in the pocket. He's not making good, accurate throws.
He's getting hit a bunch. His offensive line stinks.
And it's all added up to a terrible quarterback.

Speaker 5 And now they're on the hook for it. Yeah.
If you think they have buyers' remorse, I mean, Pete Carroll should be coach of the year just for getting rid of him.

Speaker 1 That's true. Okay, yeah.
I'll leave him my vote. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Pete, so you

Speaker 2 do hate Russell Wilson. That's been established.
No, that's not true.

Speaker 1 I don't hate him.

Speaker 2 No, you hate him.

Speaker 2 He's your arch enemy, but you've defeated him.

Speaker 5 I've never was a fan of his game. You won.

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 2 you won the war, though. Like, long term, there were a few battles.
You remain committed to it. You came out on top.
Is there a way? You're also a capologist. You know a lot about the salary cap.

Speaker 2 Is there a way that Denver could move on from Russell Wilson if they wanted to?

Speaker 5 Not for a couple of years. Absolutely not.
No way. No way.
It's too much money and involved too much guaranteed money. There's no way.

Speaker 2 Zero. What about a trade? And so now you

Speaker 5 would anybody have to accelerate. They'd have to accelerate the cap, the

Speaker 5 remaining cap into the caps, the remaining bonus money into the cap. It's too much.

Speaker 5 And no, they're stuck with them. And that's the thing.
If you get that job,

Speaker 5 That's your quarterback. You're stuck with them.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So off of that, what coach wants that job?

Speaker 1 Who's going to take that job?

Speaker 5 Well, you got to figure it out.

Speaker 5 Every coach has an ego. Every single one of them.
I can fix him. Oh, I'll get in there.
He's going to be just, I'm getting him back to Russell Wilson again.

Speaker 5 Or you can hire a guy like Jim Harbaugh and just have him turn around and hand the ball off 42 times a game in 1970s football. I mean, that's possible too, right? I mean,

Speaker 5 that is highly possible. There's talk that Harbaugh would be interested in that job.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, I could see Harbaugh going there.

Speaker 2 Harbaugh, I actually do think he would be the I can can fix this man.

Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. Well, would Sean Payton be the I could fix this man?

Speaker 5 And knowing Sean pretty well,

Speaker 5 I think he wants his quarterback. Sean Payton's ideal quarterback would have been the guy with the Chargers, Justin Herbert, but the problem is they're not going to get rid of the coach there.

Speaker 5 So that job is out the window.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So you're a big Jacksonville guy.
You're plugged in with the team for a long time.

Speaker 2 We're jagging off right now. It looks like the Jaguars, my best bet is that they're going to win this weekend.
It feels like they've got all the momentum.

Speaker 2 Would they actually be, is this the best Jaguars team that we've seen since, what was it, 2017, Blake Portals?

Speaker 5 Yeah, much. I mean, it's better than that team because no offense to the Blake Portals, but Trevor Lawrence is better than Blake Portals.
I mean, he is.

Speaker 5 You guys win. I mean, I love Blake.
Blake's a great, but come on. Trevor Lawrence is going to be special.
He's going to be a special quarterback.

Speaker 5 He's going to be one of the five, six best quarterbacks in this league. Maybe in a couple of years, he'll be one, two, or three.
That's how good he can be. And it's amazing what he's done.

Speaker 5 And by the way, let's make a case for Doug Peterson being coach of the year.

Speaker 5 Here's why. He had to exercise the demons of the moron that was in front of him.
I mean, that's the worst coach in the history of the National Football League.

Speaker 5 Urban Meyer with his bullhorn and his sophomore high school ways. Give me a break.
That thing was a disaster last year.

Speaker 5 Every week they paraded Trevor Lawrence out as a rookie quarterback to explain away the mess that was Urban Meyer. The kid handled it well.

Speaker 5 And now he's grown up and Doug Peterson's a great play caller, although he has one or two every game.

Speaker 5 And I pick pick on him because I say one or two every game where he gets into that, let's run the Philly special mode.

Speaker 5 And then he runs some stupid play like he had a reverse to a running back the other day where he had Trevor Lawrence as the lead blocker in a meaningless game against the Texans.

Speaker 5 I mean, there's one of those plays every single game. They're going to be, I'll tell you what, they're not that great on defense.
They're getting better on defense.

Speaker 5 They're going to be a tough out because they can score.

Speaker 1 So I agree with you. The Jaguars have been playing great, great football.

Speaker 1 Another team that I still can't wrap my head around it. I'd love to hear your take.
The Chiefs. The Chiefs do feel like they're primed for a run, but they've also been

Speaker 1 letting teams hang around. And a lot of people are asking the question, has Patrick Mahomes even proved anything in this league? Because he's never won a road playoff game.

Speaker 5 And look, he's proved a lot this year by what he's done with the offense without Tyree Kill. I mean, they're just as good on offense as they've ever been.

Speaker 5 But I think they have defensive problems, and I think those show up. They do have a game record.
You know, know, when you get to the postseason, every team needs a defensive game record.

Speaker 5 And they have Chris Jones. He can wreck a game.
But the outside guys haven't been as effective as I thought they would be.

Speaker 5 So eventually, you got to be able to knock that quarterback down from the edge. And I don't know if they're good enough to do that.
That's a problem. I mean, at times this year,

Speaker 5 they made Russell Wilson look good in a couple of games. That's hard to do.
So that tells you something about their defense. I'm worried about the defense, but they can score on anybody as well.

Speaker 1 I'm worried about the special teams as well. It feels like they've had some, like whether it be punt return or actual field goals.

Speaker 1 I'm a big believer in, you know, we ignore special teams all year, and then it always comes up in the playoffs where it's like, oh, that's what the game's on the margins.

Speaker 1 You make a mistake, guy fields a punt, you know, in the 10, within the 10-yard line, or like, you know, fumbles one, miss a field goal, miss an extra point. That's how playoff games are decided.

Speaker 5 Yeah, punt the ball out of bounds. Kick the ball out of the end zone.

Speaker 5 Don't worry about any of that return crap. Come on.
Give me a break. Special teams.
Stop.

Speaker 1 See? You're doing it. Make your damn kicks.
You're doing it. Make your damn kicks.

Speaker 5 Make your damn kicks. That's all.
It's your only damn job. Make your damn kicks.

Speaker 1 These kickers.

Speaker 5 Oh, look, he made his kick from 52. That's his damn job.

Speaker 1 Make your kick.

Speaker 5 If you go to practice, what do they do all day?

Speaker 5 They stand on the side and they kick and they kick and they kick and they work on the mechanism of the snap, the hold, the kick, and they kick and they kick. Then they get the games.

Speaker 5 You make your damn kick. It's your job, Joe.
I like that.

Speaker 2 You should be a special teams coordinator. Kick the ball out of bounds.
Don't let that guy return it. Make your kicks.
Make your damn kicks. As simple as that.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 Extra point. Just lean in.
Make sure nobody gets the edges and make the kicks. Just make it.
Just make it that complicated.

Speaker 5 It's not a third of the game either. It's a great make.
It's about 14% of the game.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Listen, what about the Packers last year? That team had special teams issues all season long, and then it comes and bites them in the ass against the 49ers. What about the Bears with Cody Parky?

Speaker 1 Like, you see teams all year where if you're a fan of that team and you're really dialed in, you're sitting there being like, ah, the special teams feels a little off, and then it happens.

Speaker 1 And then you give up on the bus. Okay, you mentioned Tony Parky.

Speaker 5 What was his problem?

Speaker 2 Didn't make his kicks.

Speaker 1 I know, but I knew it all year long. I said it before the playoff.
I was like, we're going to have a problem.

Speaker 5 You know, it's funny when you see a kickoff and you're watching a game and you go, okay, just boot it out of the end zone and go from there and let him play, right?

Speaker 5 But then you see, oh, no, he's going to hit a high one to about the three-yard line and see if they can pin him in. Just kick him out of the end zone.
You don't don't have to worry about it.

Speaker 5 It's not that complicated.

Speaker 1 I agree.

Speaker 5 If the Bills had done the right thing, if the Bills had done the right thing in that playoff loss to the Chiefs, they would have been in the Super Bowl and probably would have won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 They didn't.

Speaker 5 They didn't, and they lost the game. Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, it's a good, it's a foolproof strategy, honestly. Just make your kicks and don't let the other team return your kicks for touchdowns.

Speaker 1 Yeah, special teams coordinator Pete Prisco, I think there's a future here.

Speaker 5 Punt the damn ball out of bounds and you don't have to worry about it.

Speaker 1 Just pin him deep.

Speaker 2 Just coffin corner it.

Speaker 2 And no, so it is, it's true though like it's not a third of the game but it could bad special teams can completely wreck an otherwise good football team so the 2010 chargers you remember those guys they had the best offense number one offense in the nfl they had the number one defense in the nfl they didn't make the playoffs that's how bad their special teams was

Speaker 5 well that's called chargering That's what that's called because we've seen that over the course of their lifetime. They've chargered.
They always seem to charge her.

Speaker 5 It doesn't matter what it is, but they always seem to find a way, don't they?

Speaker 1 But that's just different, right? Is this year different? We're not going to charge her.

Speaker 5 You know what? I like their team. I really do.
I think that quarterback is special. I think their defense has playmakers all over it.
You got Bosep back. They can attack the quarterback.

Speaker 5 Mac hasn't been as good this year. The offensive lines had some injuries, but those guys have played better.
And you know, the receivers are back.

Speaker 5 When you have Williams and Keenan Allen, that's a problem. Think about week one:

Speaker 5 Chargers at Jackson. That's probably what the game's going to be if

Speaker 5 they both win this week. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So tell me the Chargers,

Speaker 2 more or less like if they're going up, if they're traveling to Jacksonville, you think the Chargers have a chance to beat them? Or are you that high on your beloved Jaguars?

Speaker 5 Oh, no, they have a chance to beat them. Absolutely.
Jacksonville whacked them early in the season, but they didn't have the receivers and Herbert was playing with bad ribs.

Speaker 5 Remember, they went out there and just dominated him. I worry about Jacksonville's defense.
I think, you know, Herbert can stand back there and pick them apart.

Speaker 5 That might be one of those games, last one with the ball, 33-30, two quarterbacks shooting it out and see what happens. And that's what that game could be.
That'll be fun to watch.

Speaker 5 And by the way, it'll be get ready for it because you can already schedule a game around. It's going to be at four, the first game on Saturday will be Jacksonville Jaguars.

Speaker 5 I went back and looked since 2010, the AMC South champ or team has played in that spot every year except one. And the only time

Speaker 5 it didn't happen was when Carolina was 7-8-1 and they were playing in that spot. So Jacksonville will be guaranteed Jacksonville will play the early game, first game in the wildcard route.

Speaker 1 Pete Prisco guarantee. I like that.
They did set it up for the Jaguars to play Saturday night so they could turn around and play Saturday again. Some of us.

Speaker 5 That's an advantage, by the way. That is a disadvantage this week because the Titans have three days' rest, but they get an advantage if they win because the Chargers or whoever play on Sunday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so some of us are not lucky enough to have playoff teams. So I want to ask a draft question.

Speaker 1 The Bears look like, as long as they lose on Sunday, they'll have the number two pick. What would you do if you were Ryan Poles? And I'm,

Speaker 1 this is the first time I'm saying it out loud, so this is breaking news.

Speaker 1 I'm starting to get a little nervous that Ryan pulls, like I've seen some quotes where he's like, yeah, Justin Fields is an incredible runner, but he's got to get better as a passer.

Speaker 1 Is there a chance that they trade him?

Speaker 1 Okay, good. No.
I don't want to.

Speaker 5 Zero. Okay.
Zero. No, and Justin Fields will get better as a passer.
Agreed. Watch that.
I mean,

Speaker 5 you know, I do spinning top of the week every week.

Speaker 5 I take an offensive lineman or an offensive line, and I go through all the tape, and I pick them out, and we make a little spinning top graphic and everything. And this week, it's the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 5 Oh, they were bad last week.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Really bad.
Yeah. They've been bad all year, but

Speaker 5 Riley Reef was terrible. The rookie left tackle.
He's going to be a good player, Brandon Jones. He's going to be a good player.

Speaker 5 But boy, I'll tell you what, they got beat up the other day, and that's a problem. So they got to get better on the offensive line, and they got to get him some weapons.

Speaker 5 I don't worry about him as a passer. I think he's going to end up being a good passer.
Not a great passer.

Speaker 5 He's going to be a good passer, but his threat with his legs is going to make him a really good passer because they can't defend him the right way.

Speaker 1 So, what would you do with the second pick? Would you trade it? Would you figure out a way to package a deal? And, you know, knowing

Speaker 1 the quarterbacks that are coming up?

Speaker 5 Well, if you could get a deal, I would do that. I don't think anybody,

Speaker 5 I don't, I'm not sure this quarterback group warrants going up to get somebody. I mean, if you break it down, Bryce Young is 5'9.

Speaker 5 I mean, he 5'10. I love the way he throws the football, but can you take, you know, he was standing next to Mark Ingram the other day, and he looked like the same size.
Mark Ingram's 5'9.

Speaker 5 I mean, that's a little quarterback, and he's not a big guy. But boy, he can sling it.
So I would probably take him first or Levis, who had a bad year at Kentucky.

Speaker 5 You know, you guys got on the John Allen train. You're going to probably get on the Will Levis train because we've seen it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's our friend. He's a friend of the show.
So we're ready.

Speaker 5 So he can spin it. He had a bad year this year because his team stunk, his line stunk, his receivers stunk, and all he did was turn a hand off because he got hurt.

Speaker 1 What do you have? 10 and a half inch hands? Last year he was outstanding. Yeah, 10 and a half inch hands.

Speaker 2 Pretty good hands. So we measured him.

Speaker 5 I mean, he's last year against Georgia, he was really good, and that defense was loaded with NFL players. And then you have C.J.
Stroud, who had his best game in the big moment.

Speaker 5 I mean, he was fantastic the other day. So I think that, but I don't think there's a Trevor Lawrence in this draft or one of those guys.
So I think that's a concern.

Speaker 5 So I don't think you'll trade down. Maybe you can, but Jalen Carter is a beast, man, from Georgia.
Yep. That kid is a monster.
Okay.

Speaker 5 I mean, you know, Will Anderson is a possibility as well, if you're the Bears. I mean, I think that's a strong possibility as well.
All right. You need defensive help.

Speaker 1 Yeah. We need everything.
You need everything. Yeah.
We were.

Speaker 5 Look at that defense the last couple weeks. I mean, they've been off.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's terrible. It's absolutely terrible.

Speaker 2 We were just talking the other day about how there's usually one surprise coach that gets fired at the end of every season. We're trying to figure out who that could be, or maybe if there's multiples.

Speaker 2 Is there one guy whose name could be on the hot seat that isn't like the top of the list that everybody thinks could be fired?

Speaker 5 This year, I don't see it. I mean, you guys have Kingsbury on that list, I would imagine.
That's how a surprise goes.

Speaker 5 Who else did you have on the list? I mean,

Speaker 2 Lovey Smith, potentially.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's a potential. If they want to go, you know, big splash, I could see them doing that.
He actually did a good job with that team down the stretch because they don't have a ton of talent.

Speaker 5 How about Rivera?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I think Rivera wanted to get fired. I don't understand exactly what's going on in DC right now.

Speaker 2 Snyder's in a tough position, though, because do you fire a head coach as you're in the process of selling a team, and then you're stuck where you have to maybe make a new hire as somebody's bidding on your franchise?

Speaker 2 It seems like a bad time,

Speaker 2 just like in terms of logistics and financial stuff,

Speaker 2 to axe a coach. Am I way off on that?

Speaker 5 No, you're not way off. And plus, if you axe and pay him, you got to pay him.
And then you hire another another one, he's going to get paid. And the new ownership might not want him.

Speaker 5 That's what happened in Denver. Yeah.
You know, Nate Hackett was hired before the new ownership took over. So they're more apt to fire him.
Now, their new ownership has a ton of money.

Speaker 5 So it's easy to just say, hey, get rid of him. We'll pay him.
See, and that's the trend nowadays.

Speaker 5 These guys, these owners now have so much money that they can fire guys and not really worry about the implications of it.

Speaker 5 That's the way it is.

Speaker 5 You think about it. He's going to be paying a coach for four more years.
He's going to be paying two coaches for four years. They don't care.
They have the cash to do it.

Speaker 2 What about Stefansky in Cleveland?

Speaker 5 I doubt it. I doubt it.
I mean, come on, he played the whole year without a starting quarterback who they made that trade to go get, and he didn't play. So, no, I don't think so.

Speaker 5 I think he might, you know, they might force him to change the way he plays on offense and make him play more a little bit more uptempo and throw the ball around a little more, but I don't think they're going to fire him.

Speaker 1 Okay. What about

Speaker 2 McCarthy? What does he have to do to stick around? Because it seems like this is the time of the year things heat up around Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 2 The expectation from Jerry Jones is to win, which is kind of ironic because they haven't really won since 19, what, 95, 96?

Speaker 1 But that's the expectation.

Speaker 2 He says that's the expectation, is he wants a Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 McCarthy feels like he could be a guy that could make the playoffs, if he loses first round, still get fired.

Speaker 5 Which I think would be wrong, but it's possible. Look, Mike's a better coach than people give him credit for.
I don't understand. The guy wins 11 games at least every year.
And he had Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 5 I get it, but still, he's a better coach than people give him credit for. That's one of those ones that has taken on a life of its own in the Twitter cult world.
That's what that is.

Speaker 5 Oh, one guy says it, two say it, four say it, eight, and then everybody. Yeah, they're right.
Look, we all agree. Isn't that great on Twitter? That's what that is.
That's exactly what that is.

Speaker 5 But there's a better coach than people give him credit for.

Speaker 2 I do think he's a good coach, but I think that he's got big blind spots where every time he's in a big game, there is a moment where he either takes too long to make a decision or he makes just one completely baffling decision per game that ultimately ends up being a pretty big reason why they end up losing.

Speaker 2 So I think he's...

Speaker 5 I hate to tell you, they all do.

Speaker 1 But when he does it, when he does it, he's fatter. He looks fat.

Speaker 5 He looks really fat.

Speaker 5 I mean, I know. It takes one to know what.
But no, I mean, think about it. You guys know, too, by the way.

Speaker 5 No,

Speaker 5 he's a better coach to get credit for. They all make major mistakes.
Give me a break. They all do.

Speaker 5 Isn't Belichick at fault for what happened against the Raiders a couple weeks ago? That's his responsibility. He's the coach.
He did it. That's his fault.

Speaker 1 It's Matt Patricia's ass.

Speaker 1 I do agree with that because it's the Belichick saying, either you're coaching it or you're allowing it. And like that, that's a great saying.

Speaker 5 Why didn't he take a knee? Take a knee and go to overtime. If you're not going to throw a Hail Mary because you said you felt he couldn't reach the end zone, why didn't you take a knee?

Speaker 5 Because you're not going to rip a 60-yard, 55-yard run. Take the knee.
All he did was subject his team to more problems.

Speaker 5 It's like at the end of a half, when a team gets the ball back with 30 seconds left, they're not going to try and go get points because that's not what they're going to do, but they hand it off anyways.

Speaker 5 What are you handing it off for? What's the point of that? All you can do is botch the handoff and somebody fumbles and they get the ball there. Stupidly.

Speaker 5 They all make major mistakes, every one of them.

Speaker 1 Except you. Just make your kicks.
That's all you got to do.

Speaker 5 No, I would make them too, because in the heat of the moment, you're going to do it.

Speaker 2 You would accidentally say, like, don't make this kick?

Speaker 5 If it doinks off the upright and in, you're good. If it doinks off the upright and out, you're not.

Speaker 5 So, I mean,

Speaker 5 I'd have my, I would be just

Speaker 5 ready to grab. I always say it, I joke around, choke up, choke up.

Speaker 1 I would do it.

Speaker 1 All right, so one team we didn't talk about,

Speaker 1 and I think we're going to probably not talk about the Bills and Bengals because there's just a lot in limbo right now, but the Ravens. What's going on with Lamar Jackson?

Speaker 1 Is there anything that's going on that's like maybe he, if he had a contract, would be back?

Speaker 1 It's all very confusing because I think the Ravens, if Lamar Jackson is healthy, they are another team that you put in the category of teams that don't, you don't want to play them because their defense is salty and having Lamar is a game changer, obviously.

Speaker 5 There's nothing in terms of, I wouldn't believe that. The kid's a competitor.
He loves to compete. I don't think he would do that.
I just, you know, judge him, but people I know and talk to, no.

Speaker 5 I would say no. I'd agree.
So he's hurt.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's hurt.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 him not being in the lineup changes the whole dynamic of that team. I hope he gets back soon because he's fun to watch.

Speaker 5 But you know what? He wasn't playing that well either before he got hurt.

Speaker 5 Their passing game is limited. And when your passing game is limited, you have problems.
And this is a passing league. And I think they haven't exactly built a great group of people around them.

Speaker 5 And I think that's hurt him. But again, you have to be able to throw the ball, and you have to be able to throw it from the pocket.
And he's a good pocket passer, but he doesn't have a lot of weapons.

Speaker 5 That's the problem.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and I don't think he ever will in Baltimore. They are so committed to not having good wide receivers.

Speaker 1 It's honestly impressive.

Speaker 5 He wants Deshaun Watson's contract. I mean,

Speaker 5 nobody's given out those

Speaker 5 fully guaranteed deals like that. They can't.
I wouldn't do it.

Speaker 5 Right now, if you ask the Browns, are they happy with the fully guaranteed contract and all the picks they traded to get Deshaun Watson after watching him the last four weeks? Are you happy with that?

Speaker 1 Because I don't think they are. I think that's a wait and see.
Yeah. I think you got to judge that next year.

Speaker 5 Well,

Speaker 5 we know the Broncos aren't happy.

Speaker 5 Are the Cardinals happy with

Speaker 5 their mega deal? No.

Speaker 1 Probably not. Nope.

Speaker 5 That's fair. Are they happy they gave Cliff Kingsbury a mega deal? No.
No. I mean, yeah, everybody rushes.
See, like the Giants are in a situation now. What do you do with Daniel Jones?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I've been tag him. Yeah.
Oh, you think tag him?

Speaker 1 Because I was going to say, I think Daniel Jones probably realizes that Dable has resurrected his career, and there might be a conversation there, like, hey, we like you.

Speaker 1 We want you to be our quarterback. We're not going to give you a ton of guaranteed money.
We're going to give you a fair deal, but this is the place that you have the best chance of succeeding.

Speaker 1 And maybe Daniel Jones realizes that, where it's mutually beneficial for both sides to figure out a deal that makes sense.

Speaker 5 I wouldn't do that if I were Daniel Jones. Get your money.
No, I mean, I'd like to stay here, but you're paying me. I mean, you're not going to, obviously, he's not going to get one of those

Speaker 5 $250 million deals, but he's got to get a deal that's fair to him. I mean, $20 million a year? I mean, something like that, $20-something million a year.

Speaker 2 Couldn't you say that it works both ways in that situation where Daniel Jones is best suited playing for the Giants and he's more valuable to the Giants than he would be to another team on the open market?

Speaker 5 Like, what team is going to...

Speaker 5 What if another team paid him $5 million more a year?

Speaker 2 Do you really think that there's going to be like

Speaker 1 a lineup of teams that are trying to get value in that?

Speaker 5 You're never going to get that back. No, no, I would not do that.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 2 what about Lamar on the open market then?

Speaker 2 The fact of the matter is,

Speaker 2 he is an MVP that could hit the open market, which at the quarterback position never happens. There will be teams that get into a bidding war with each other.

Speaker 2 It might not be beneficial to give, like, I think you're right about Deshaun and about Kyler and some of the contracts you immediately have buyers remorse sometimes and I wouldn't be surprised if a team had buyers remorse right after they got Lamar if it comes to that but at the same time there's going to be a bidding war between multiple franchises so it's probably going to get to a

Speaker 2 point where it is a lot of guaranteed money just like those other contracts No, you're not going to fully guarantee.

Speaker 5 You can give him a lot of guarantee. They've offered him a lot of guaranteed money.
They've offered him basically the Russell Wilson deal. He could get that deal if he wants it.

Speaker 5 He wants the Deshaun Watson deal from what I heard, and they're not going to fully guarantee. The owners in this league don't want a fully fully guaranteed contract.

Speaker 5 They were all mad that they did that in the first place. So I look,

Speaker 5 he hasn't finished the season, right? I mean, that's a concern with him. Health is a concern when you're a quarterback.
I love the kid. He should take the deal in Baltimore.
It's a good deal.

Speaker 5 It's a fair deal. And you're not going to get fully guaranteed contract.
The problem is he's negotiating his deal. That's always an issue.
That's a tough thing.

Speaker 5 I think I'm worth this. Well, we think you're worth that.
How do you negotiate against him?

Speaker 5 You tell your star quarterback, you're trying to sign him, but yeah, but you have a little bit of flaw here, a little bit of flaw there. You leave the pocket too soon.
You haven't been healthy enough.

Speaker 5 How do you sell them that when you're negotiating against them when you're trying to sign him to a long-term deal? It's a tough negotiation.

Speaker 5 So I think ultimately they can tag him two years in a row, by the way.

Speaker 5 It would be a lot of cap in, but they could do it.

Speaker 2 That's a good point.

Speaker 2 I haven't heard a lot of people say that, but it's true that if you're the one that's doing the negotiation with your boss, they're going to have to tell you all the things they don't like about you as justification for not meeting your asking price.

Speaker 2 And then naturally, that's going to, that's going to piss you off. Like you don't, that's going to make that working relationship a little bit worse hearing that.

Speaker 5 Of course. And it's like, you know, the agent can come tell you, but it's not the same as you hearing it, looking you in the face and saying, hey, Lamar, we'd love to pay you $250 million.

Speaker 5 But this is why we're only going to pay $245 because let's go back. We'll pop on the tape.

Speaker 5 Here you are leaving six clean pockets when you should have stayed in there and hit the shot down the middle of the field. Nobody wants to hear that.
It's a bad negotiation.

Speaker 5 And the Ravens are in a tough spot because if they take advantage of them, they look like the bad guy in the deal. So it really is a complex negotiation.

Speaker 1 All right. So last question for me, Pete.
Are you sticking with your Super Bowl prediction? Are you going Bills over Packers? I'll let you have a mulligan if you'd like.

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 5 no, I'm going to take the Bills and the 49ers.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
You coward. You're an absolute coward.

Speaker 5 I mean, they're going to have to go on the road three straight weeks. And think about it.
They'll have to win.

Speaker 5 i mean i okay they play if they play the vikings in week one at minnesota who you picking the packers okay so then they would win that game and they'd go play the one seed the the eagles eagles and they lose that's not no yeah they probably lose but that's not saying they can't win it the what i i think the one the 49ers are the team they don't want to play the packers yeah that's my agreed yeah but we've seen that that

Speaker 2 that mac truck run them over in the postseason a couple dimes yeah all right so if we got the Packers at the 49ers week one,

Speaker 2 let's drag you into the hatred that Vikings Twitter has for us right now. Yeah, I want you involved in that.
Giants at the Vikings,

Speaker 2 opening round of the playoffs, convinced me that the Giants win that game.

Speaker 5 They should have beat him two weeks ago. I mean, that was a game they should have win.
There were drop passes, key drop passes in that game for the Giants. Daniel Jones was outstanding that day.

Speaker 5 They should have won that game. And here's the other thing about the Giants.
Those young pass rushers are starting to grow up.

Speaker 5 Thibodeau, who I thought was going to be the best pass rusher in that class, he's starting to show up now. And that's a problem.
Postseason passers, pass rushers. It's always been that.

Speaker 5 It always will be. You know, 25 years ago, run it, play good, run defense.
Now it's passers and knock that guy down. And you got to go through every list.
Who has a game record on defense?

Speaker 5 You have to have a game record to succeed. You know, last year, everybody says, well, the Bengals, how'd they get there? Hendrickson was a game record last year.
He had, you know, almost 20 sacks.

Speaker 5 You have to have a game recorder to win in the postseason.

Speaker 1 I like it. Game records.
Game records. So you think the Vikings are frauds? Can we get you on record?

Speaker 5 I've said that word before, and I heard it got back to them, and they weren't real happy about it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Look,

Speaker 5 I've been, you guys say I've been critical of Russell Wilson. I've been just as critical of Kirk Cousins.
I think there's a glazed look that comes over his face, you know, when in moments.

Speaker 5 And when it does, you know, it's happening. And, you know, Rick Spielman, the former Vikings GM, works with us every Sunday.
We're watching the games together. And I'll start going like this.

Speaker 5 I go, there's the look, Rick. There it is.
You can see it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you've done that like 12 times this season. They've won all those games.

Speaker 1 That's the problem. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Well, he didn't win last Sunday.

Speaker 1 That's true, but they do.

Speaker 5 You know what I'll say?

Speaker 1 Go ahead.

Speaker 5 I'll say, before a game, I'll say, hey, Rick, this is a big game. And we know what Kirk Cousins' record is in a big game.
And they'll go, Rick, it's not a big game. It's not a big game.

Speaker 5 And I go, it's a big game. And there he was.
I mean, look.

Speaker 5 Do you guys trust him?

Speaker 1 No. No.
No, we get killed for it because, I mean, 12-4 is 12-4.

Speaker 1 You can't knock the fact that they have had a knack for winning these close games. And that does take a toughness.
And Justin Jefferson is the best receiver in the NFL.

Speaker 1 But, yeah, I mean, it's been our take all year. Like, we know.
We know who Kirk Cousins is.

Speaker 1 He's a better than average quarterback, but he's not going to go win you a game like Mahomes, Allen Burrow, Brady Rodgers, all these guys.

Speaker 5 There's always the win with and the win because of quarterbacks, and he's a win with, not a win because of.

Speaker 1 That's the difference. Yeah, okay.
All right. All right, so you're on record.

Speaker 5 You can see it, by the way, the AFC is loaded with win because of quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's true. I mean, you could even throw Justin Herbert in there the way he's been playing.

Speaker 5 Herbert Lawrence will be there. He's getting there.

Speaker 5 You know, Alan, Mahomes, Burrow, win-with. Kenny Pickett?

Speaker 5 Win because of, not win-with. I like Kenny Pickett.
Kenny Pickett's got that. He's got a little Joe Burrow swagger to him.

Speaker 5 Okay. A little confident, cocky guy that believes in himself.
I like Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 1 Facts. Facts.
We love Kenny Pickett. All right.
Well, Pete, thank you as always.

Speaker 1 Next time you see us, you won't even be able to recognize us. We'll wear name tags all Super Bowl week because that's how good of shape we'll be in.

Speaker 2 I don't know if I'm going to wear a name tags.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be shirtless.

Speaker 5 There's no conceivable way in 40 days that either one of you won't be the Michelin man when I see you.

Speaker 2 You want to make a bet that you can see abs on us at the Super Bowl?

Speaker 5 A, I really don't want to see your abs, but B,

Speaker 5 there's no way. 40 days, it's 40 days.
You're going to have abs in 40 days because right now I don't see anything close to abs, nor do you see anything close to abs

Speaker 5 for me.

Speaker 5 I just lost my hands inside my stomach.

Speaker 1 It's a fatball season.

Speaker 5 You're guilty of it. You're going to go watch games.
He's going to have donuts on Sunday. You're going to go Saturday.
You're going to go watch games and have wings

Speaker 1 beer and whatever it's just I hate wings and beer you're wrong you're so wrong Pete something's something's going in there something's going in there I probably will still get donuts I just admit it I had pizza twice this week I mean I admit it twice I started my diet today too well you're Italian my diet today blood types of marinara you're you're gonna have you're I guarantee Big Cat you have donuts on Saturday oh yeah

Speaker 1 there's a box for cheat day that's cheat day do I not get a cheat day

Speaker 5 the problem with cheat day is cheat day runs into cheat week, and cheat week runs into cheat month, and you two are not going to have abs.

Speaker 1 You're so wrong.

Speaker 2 I'm going to have abs. You still owe me a push-up contest.

Speaker 2 You've been welching on that one for about seven years.

Speaker 5 You wanted to get bombed and do it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 I wanted to drink a full mad dog and do a push-up contest.

Speaker 2 That challenge is still on the table, by the way, Pete. I'm pretty sure I could drink an entire mad dog and probably do twice as many push-ups as you.

Speaker 1 Pete.

Speaker 5 Right now, you might be able to.

Speaker 1 Pete, listen, we know you're Italian. You're a horny man just by nature.
Don't try to kiss me when you see how good a shape I'm in. All right? Off limits.

Speaker 5 I might send you a box of donuts every Tuesday.

Speaker 5 Because

Speaker 5 you know the drill, guys. If it's in front of you, you're going to put your hand in that box and eat it.

Speaker 1 Nope. That's what I would say.
Yeah, that's a horny Italian.

Speaker 5 What is your diet today? What's hearing? What did you eat today? I guarantee you ate something bad this morning for breakfast. Guaranteed.

Speaker 1 No, I had two eggs and bacon. No carbs.

Speaker 2 I had one piece of turkey jerky. So

Speaker 5 you're on no carb diet. Yep.

Speaker 5 Okay, so you can eat bacon and eggs or anything. All right, so you come in, maybe you will have some abs and you'll have arteries that are clogged like a rock.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 1 All right, Pete. You're the best, man.
We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Thank you, as always. Thank you, Pete.

Speaker 1 All right, see you at the super guide. See you, man.

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Speaker 2 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 All right. One question with the quarterback time.
We welcome on recurring guest, friend of the program. And soon to be playing in the national championship on Monday night.

Speaker 1 It is TCU quarterback Max Duggan.

Speaker 1 Max, congratulations. Incredible game.

Speaker 1 We're moving on to the next game, but we're going to first do one question with you from everyone here. My question is very simple.

Speaker 1 One to 10, how much does the hypnotoad

Speaker 1 help you guys out on the field?

Speaker 7 10, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 If we didn't have it, I don't know if we would have had the season that we're having right now. Honestly,

Speaker 7 the powers, you know, the things that they talk about, I mean, it's kind of trippy, but you know, it works.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it's every time I see it, I'm like, well, that's that, there goes that game. Like, TCU's got it.

Speaker 2 If you weren't a believer before, you're damn sure believer now.

Speaker 5 Yes, yes, 100%.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you got to be on the train now.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 2 Okay, my question is:

Speaker 2 at this point, you're reaching the national championship game in college football. You're the quarterback of one of the teams.
Are you the best red-headed college football player of all time?

Speaker 5 Ooh,

Speaker 7 there are

Speaker 7 Andy Dahlin might, I might, Andy Dahlin went to TCU, and he was into legend. So, I mean,

Speaker 7 I don't know the other redheads that are around college football, but, you know,

Speaker 7 that might be a goal to kind of reach, you know, like those guys, though. Andy is still kind of the legacy of TCU that I'm still trying to be like.

Speaker 2 Right. He walks so that you could run.
But I was going through the list earlier, and it's like, you could maybe consider Carson Palmer to be a red-headed guy.

Speaker 2 Some people would say it's more of like a strawberry blonde type deal.

Speaker 2 I think if you win this game,

Speaker 2 there can be no more debate.

Speaker 1 You are him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 That would be something special. Maybe we need to start getting more redheaded playing quarterback in college football in the NFL.
Representation.

Speaker 7 We're dying slowly, which is not good.

Speaker 1 You know what's actually, you know what? Who's actually a sneaky redhead? Spencer Rattler. Yeah, that's true.
Yeah. He is.
He is. So there you go.
You got a couple out there.

Speaker 1 All right, Billy, go ahead.

Speaker 2 What's up, Max? Reports on TikTok say that you're licking your fingers to get the frogs hornier.

Speaker 7 You know, if the report says that and it's helping us to win, I'm all about trying to get us to win. So if that's what it is, man, I'm going to keep it going.

Speaker 2 Reports confirmed.

Speaker 1 Reports confirmed.

Speaker 2 I know Billy's about to drop some fire when it starts with reports from TikTok say, yeah, hypnotoads getting licked.

Speaker 7 TikTok knows, apparently.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. All right, Jake.

Speaker 2 Hey, Max, Jake Marsh, part of my Take Podcast. Congratulations on reaching the national championship game.

Speaker 2 Similar to Big Cat's question, how much of a hot seat does your current mascot, the Super Frog, feel that he could be eventually replaced with the Hypno Toad moving forward?

Speaker 7 You know, I don't think Super Frog's on the hot seat. I think it's more of like a brother, you know, with the Hypnotoad.
I think it's

Speaker 7 a very fun, entertaining cousin that you have. You know, that's always come into the barbecues.
I think that's kind of where we're at. No hot seat, seat, you know, their superbog's not going anywhere.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Dave did mention because he was at the game that he just got hypnoted to death. And the TCU, I actually have experience from it from the 2011 Rose Bowl, Wisconsin vs.
TCU, Andy Dalton.

Speaker 1 You guys are just fucking doing

Speaker 1 the frogs in my face the whole time. I was like, get this fucking out of my face.
I can't do anything. Frog out.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 The frog's like the best hand sign or whatever you want to like hand.

Speaker 1 It really is.

Speaker 2 i like to go wide with it i like to make it the the toad showed and give it a little bit of yeah girth to it well that kind of looks like tua

Speaker 1 oh yeah that's true yeah all right

Speaker 1 be careful all right uh r max

Speaker 2 hey max max here um

Speaker 7 do you kind of wish you could have played in the arizona bowl instead of the college football playoffs i mean i was watching it it it looked like a pretty fun time like you have you know dan singing national anthem i was watching the broadcast you know dave dan you know Jake, you guys were doing awesome.

Speaker 7 Obviously, all the sideline interviews with Caleb, you know, seemed like a pretty fun game to be a part of.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was. Yeah, I think you, I think, I think I actually will say that Ohio is the true national champion because that was that was a crazy ending.

Speaker 7 It was a crazy ending.

Speaker 1 Greatest catch in college football history, some are saying.

Speaker 1 Some are saying, yeah, some are saying. Memes, do you have a question?

Speaker 1 What's your hand size?

Speaker 1 Good question.

Speaker 7 I have no idea.

Speaker 1 Put it on, yeah. Let's see.
Hold it up. Can you hold a pen in it? Okay.

Speaker 7 I have a mouse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, put a mouse. Oh, yeah.
Okay, that's a pretty good hand. I don't know.

Speaker 7 I don't think they're like giant.

Speaker 7 Hopefully, they're not small, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to ask a question because I already used my question, but if I were to ask another question, it would just be, are you able to hold onto a football in bad weather easily?

Speaker 2 But I didn't ask that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you didn't ask that.

Speaker 7 Did not ask that.

Speaker 7 Without asking me, just thinking about the randomly, I think so. Obviously, playing in Iowa, you get a little bit of cold weather.

Speaker 1 Yep, true. Okay, true.

Speaker 7 True. It's been all right, though.
You know, I haven't had to use any gloves so far. So, I mean, that's, we'll see if I have to get to that point.
But

Speaker 1 maybe just, maybe just treat out a picture of you like eating lunch holding a hot dog and we can judge on that.

Speaker 7 All right, that's fair.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.
And then, Max, do you have a question for us?

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 7 Yeah, for you guys. Okay, right.
What is the dream like championship sporting event that you guys

Speaker 7 could go to and be at live? Like, whether it's Masters, National Championship, Stanley Cup finals, World Series, dream championship event that you guys go to?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's a good question.

Speaker 1 I think... I mean, I think it would be Bears winning a Super Bowl because that's you, obviously, a losing game would be the Super Bowl is the number one.

Speaker 2 Super Super Bowl would be great. I was thinking, like, if it was a Stanley Cup,

Speaker 2 someplace really fun, like maybe in Las Vegas,

Speaker 2 and then you go out and you party with the team, you drink from the cup. That seems like the best possible scenario if that could ever happen to me.
Oh, my God. I would be so happy.

Speaker 2 Masters would be pretty sick, too.

Speaker 7 Like, yeah, it's coming down like 18th green, Masters, like Augusto.

Speaker 1 If you're in the front row,

Speaker 7 the last Stanley Cup, like overtime 3-3, game seven.

Speaker 1 I actually, I'm thinking about like what would be the best games to be at.

Speaker 1 That Villanova buzzer beater would probably be up there just because a buzzer beater is like

Speaker 1 a buzzer beater to win a national championship or a buzzer beater win an NBA title. Like that would just be all-time.
A true buzzer beater.

Speaker 2 You know, it would be great. Like a buzzer beater at the Olympics in basketball where the USA wins.
Yeah. That would be pretty cool because then you get the whole...

Speaker 2 Actually, like if the USA ever won a World Cup, that would be an incredible game to be at as well, but that will never happen.

Speaker 2 Or the Iditarod, because then right after it's over, you just boop all the good boys.

Speaker 1 Or Joe Carter, walk off home run to win the World Series.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's pretty good, too.

Speaker 1 That would be. There's a lot of.
Anything that's the finale. Yeah, like

Speaker 1 the way to end the game, overtime goal to win a Stanley Cup.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.
That's a good question. Yeah.
Joey, what's your answer?

Speaker 7 I would say probably Stanley Cup game.

Speaker 7 On the glass, overtime. I don't know.

Speaker 7 There are a lot, though. I don't know.
I think that'd be kind of like the most

Speaker 7 adrenaline rush ever.

Speaker 1 So by stadium, maybe for the national championship. And maybe

Speaker 1 not to name names, but let's just say hypothetically, Sonny Dykes is like, hey, my quarterback actually can run and we have overtime, you know, fourth and goal.

Speaker 1 Let's use him and not use a running back here. Like something like that.

Speaker 2 I think the best possible position would be like under center as your team is winning a national championship. And you're putting one knee on the ground on the field.

Speaker 2 That would be a pretty good field.

Speaker 7 Victory formations, best formation in football.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yeah.
Okay. Well, Max, best of luck.
We're rooting for you. I am.
Very much so. The dream season continues.
Monday night, TCU versus Georgia. We appreciate it, man.

Speaker 1 And yeah, good luck on Monday night. We'll be watching, obviously.

Speaker 7 I appreciate y'all having on. And, you know, we didn't forget about that pizza party.
Hopefully, we get a win.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's right.

Speaker 1 I got a couple of tweets. I got a couple of tweets.
Being like, you're about to have to give a big pizza party. Yeah, that's going to be shit.
That's a lot of pizza.

Speaker 2 That's probably like $10,000 worth of pizza that we got to buy.

Speaker 1 I will absolutely.

Speaker 2 Yeah, listen, I'm a man of my word.

Speaker 2 This is what happens all the time on this show: we just get really into things. For a while, we just suspended people left and right until it got out of hand.

Speaker 2 Now we're just obsessed with pizza parties. So this would be a fitting ending to this new kick.

Speaker 1 That's also, I mean, look, we, you know, we'll see what happens to the game, but there's a way for the pizza party to pay for itself. True.

Speaker 7 We're going to try to make something work for y'all.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Okay. I can deliver them and make sure they get there.

Speaker 1 Nope, Billy's not allowed to deliver them. We'll have Jake come and deliver them.
He'll just be looking all across the campus to find a toad to fuck. Like, where are these toads? I need these toads.

Speaker 1 All right. Thank you, Max.
And hopefully, we'll see you for the pizza party.

Speaker 7 Yes, sir. Appreciate y'all.

Speaker 1 Okay, we're rooting for Max. We do have to.
Do we ever figure out how much pizza?

Speaker 2 We're thinking it's going to be something like $4,000 worth of pizza. That's not as bad as I thought it was going to be.
Yeah, we listened back. I believe it was 150 pizzas.
150

Speaker 1 pizzas. Something like that.
Hand deliver. We said we were going to hand deliver.

Speaker 2 We didn't say that.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we did. All right.
We got to double check, but yeah. We'll get it.
Around that number. I'm rooting for TCU.

Speaker 1 Are you ready, Hank? So.

Speaker 1 Everyone who's been listening to this show for a long time,

Speaker 1 we had a period of time.

Speaker 1 It started at 1-2. Okay, so it's been a year.
Oh, so it's been exactly a year. We had a period of time where we were bonking each other.
It got out of hand.

Speaker 1 We decided that Hank is going to just create a bonk list

Speaker 1 where he keeps track of all the bonks.

Speaker 1 And now that it's been a full year, he's ready to give it to us. So you're going to do this every year now.
Yeah, I think this year I'll do a better job

Speaker 1 keeping the notes because, I mean, I don't know. People are either going to be disappointed or think it's funny.
I think some of them are funny, but some of them, there's just no context.

Speaker 2 No context bonk.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I like it.
Yeah, because, you know, it's in the middle of the show. PFT, when I was talking about doing this the other day, PFT was like, I didn't think you actually kept the list.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I stopped seeing you write stuff down after like a week. Oh, I've seen him do it.
I assume you gave up.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I know, though, if anyone else read the list, it would make no sense.
I don't think it makes sense to hang. Right, right.
Okay. Right.

Speaker 1 Can I just look? Can I just take a look? No, no, no, it's fine. Okay.
I'm going to

Speaker 1 read exactly what I've written. It's not like there's a lot of, again, no context.
How many bonks total?

Speaker 1 A lot.

Speaker 2 So these are officially the horniest moments of PMT 2020.

Speaker 1 And there's definitely some missings that people will get. I think people will probably be more upset.
Whatever.

Speaker 2 Can we do real bonks with the bonk sticks? No. No.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Don't bonk me. 1-2-22.
PFT brings up OBJ fisting a guy out of the clouds.

Speaker 2 It was actually a highlight where he tried to punch a guy in the butthole. Yeah.
So I figured it was sportsworthy to talk about.

Speaker 1 I don't think we should try to defend these.

Speaker 2 Okay. All right.
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 That one I will defend, though, because it was in the context of a sports show. This is a sports podcast, after all.

Speaker 1 I think we should just, yeah, we should just enjoy the bonks.

Speaker 2 And he loves shit. He loves poop.

Speaker 1 1-4-22, Big Cat brings up Tristan Thompson's sex tape.

Speaker 1 Yep, it's a good one. He's got a good stroke game.

Speaker 1 On 1-7-22, someone said... Wait,

Speaker 1 what order are we going? Wait, would you say 1-2?

Speaker 1 1, 1-4.

Speaker 2 Sounds like we're pretty horny on forever.

Speaker 1 No, it gets gets a lesson. Yeah, it's kind of eased up.
17.22. Someone said it's going to be a soft opening, and PFT said that's the best kind of opening.
Okay, that's true.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 2 You want like a metal gate?

Speaker 1 On 110, again, context. I don't, I just wrote turning my COVID diagnosis into a love story with AOC, and it's with a PFT tweet.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay, here it is. I said, I have COVID.
110.22. PFT said, hmm, so does AOC.

Speaker 1 Ooh, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 118.22. Big Cat tells Braxton Berrios he's a good-looking dude.
Yeah, okay. Yeah, I stand by that.
He's a hot dude. He's a hot body.
Also on 118.22, PFT and Big Cat both say they want to fuck Queso.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yep, that stands.
These are good ones.

Speaker 2 Might have been in the context of an FMK, maybe? But yeah,

Speaker 2 regardless, I would have sex with Queso. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 No, see, I wouldn't put that on the ponk list if it's FMK. Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, no, I'm standing standing by all my fuck queso yeah uh 2922 pft likes an adidas tweet that was just a bunch of tits

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 i remember that that was a good tweet

Speaker 1 that's one of my favorites 21022 pft followed every person named brandy on instagram just in case one of them was coacho's wife oh okay just doing some investigative research that one

Speaker 1 That one's made up.

Speaker 1 I never knew that. Why would I write this down?

Speaker 2 You might have done that.

Speaker 1 You might have said you were going to do that. You definitely said you were going to do that.
That's how I got on the list.

Speaker 2 I never did that.

Speaker 1 No, you might not have done it, but you said you were going to do it.

Speaker 1 2.25. PFT calls Brittany Renner a personal hero of his with Coach Prime.

Speaker 1 Yep. That sounds right.

Speaker 1 3.8. PFT asks all women.
to DM him if they are upset about Aaron Rodgers stealing their shine on International Women's Day. Okay.

Speaker 1 3.13, Big Cat tells John Rossine his wife is hot to his face and then tries to take her out on a date slash wife swap.

Speaker 1 That was impressive.

Speaker 1 I mean, it was. But John Rossine deserves to be, you know, it's full court press.
If we want to do basketball terms, John, full court press.

Speaker 1 322, PFT calls Meat Ranch a euthanism for come.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 327, Big Cat calls Coach K's wife sexy in quotes, when Nikki Nikki Krasiewski rolls up looking all hot.

Speaker 1 327.

Speaker 1 PFT brings up a nip slip during the Oscars slap conversation. Oh, okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Big Cat says he will skull fuck Tim Dylan. I think that was a tweet.
Oh, I will skull fuck for him.

Speaker 1 I will skull fuck for him. Let's pull up the tweet.
I did link the tweet.

Speaker 1 I think he needed a skull fuck. Yeah, no, he said, I will skull fuck Tim Dylan.
Just say the word. Oh,

Speaker 1 that was a a fucking a man situation. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay.
So I will skull fuck Tim Dylan.

Speaker 1 I'm not his type, I don't think. 331, PFT says he wants to get slapped by a girl in New Orleans.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Check. 4-2.

Speaker 1 This is where my reporting might be not the best. It doesn't have a name.
It just says 4-2.

Speaker 1 Says he doesn't think Coach Kay's wife wears underwear. I'm going to go with Big Kay.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 That might be a PFT. I think that was.
I think that was PFT.

Speaker 2 I remember that. Yeah.
She is a good-looking lady, though.

Speaker 1 She's very hot.

Speaker 2 Imagine how much he's tearing that up now that he's retired.

Speaker 1 You know what? I think it was when she, like, verbally,

Speaker 1 or sorry, not physically abused her grandkid, and I was like, damn. Yeah, choking.
I like the way she's doing that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 4-7, PFT says the new MLB bases are really getting him going.

Speaker 1 They're bigger. What can I say?

Speaker 2 They're thick as hell.

Speaker 1 424? Big Cat says Luca has a wagon of an ass. He does.
He does. That's why he's good.
5-1. 5.11.
PFT says sometimes he randomly Google searches coaches' wives.

Speaker 1 You want to know, right?

Speaker 1 1.0. You want to know.

Speaker 1 5.7, PFT says he loves all moms on Mother's Day.

Speaker 1 5.12, Big Cat mentioned boners when we talked about bones moving. Again, context, couldn't tell you.
Yep.

Speaker 1 5.15, PFT says the sons needed AJ Titties at halftime. Yeah, he did.
He's been hitting that AJ Titties button. 5.27, PFT says he hates teeth.
Oh, okay. All right.
I think most people do, but yeah.

Speaker 2 I could do without him.

Speaker 1 531. I mean, yeah.
531. PFT says he wishes there was a boob in Top Gun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's my only criticism. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Should have been a boob. One nipple.
That's all I wanted.

Speaker 2 He's got everything else in there.

Speaker 1 620, Big Cat says he can't wait for Batty South to come out.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that show. Yeah, you guys shamed me so hard.
Remember I saw that preview? They were like ripping each other's hair out of their head and just going absolutely crazy on each other.

Speaker 1 I never actually watched it. I'd like to put that on the bonk this year.
I'm going to watch Batty South.

Speaker 1 Callback, again, theme here. 622.
Big Cat says Luka Donchich is a super attractive dude.

Speaker 1 I like his. I mean, I like everything he's got going on.
He's got the...

Speaker 2 Dude, he dropped 60 the other night. Yeah, he's

Speaker 1 got the ass. He's got the cool tattoos.
Accent. Yeah, every time.
Drinking a beer before the game. He's a fucking cool dude.
He's a cool dude I'd like to to spend some time with.

Speaker 1 Get to know a little better.

Speaker 1 629. Big Cat says the phrase wild thing, and PFT tries to bonk him, but Big Cat says it's actually a bonk on him.

Speaker 1 What was the wild thing? Again.

Speaker 1 And you were thinking wild things. The movie, yeah.
Yeah, so that is a bonk on me.

Speaker 2 You want me to keep track this year with context?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I kind of like Hank's. Well, no, but you do better joke.
Yeah, you do back up context so we can have two sources. Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it'll be good. But we don't have anything yet, right? No.
No, no, we have not. Well, you can put me on for future Batty South.

Speaker 1 We'll also, we'll try and do better with Time Stamps and make a video of things.

Speaker 1 July 5th, Big Cat talks about siphoning gas.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's a good idea. That's all I wrote.

Speaker 1 I once siphoned gas in college, and I ended up drinking a lot of the gas for my moped.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you got to suck it out with the hose.

Speaker 1 But I think it comes out faster.

Speaker 2 That's a bunk on Hank for thinking that was sexual.

Speaker 2 Big Cat was just trying to save money.

Speaker 1 I was talking about a story how I tried to siphon gas when I needed needed some gas for my moped, and it comes out really fast, and I swallowed a lot of gasoline.

Speaker 1 You just like the image of a hose wrapped around my lips. Listen, I'm listening to you.

Speaker 1 Hey, bonk on hose.

Speaker 2 Jake, put that on the bonk list for next year. Yep.
Hank, imagine Big Cat giving head to a hose.

Speaker 1 To Hank's hose. 7.14, PFT mentions Cam Girls while going through a list of cams.

Speaker 1 Going through a list of cams when discussing Cam Smith and Cam Young in the open.

Speaker 2 Top G.

Speaker 2 Sorry for being a top G.

Speaker 1 7.21, 721. PFT says he wants a breakfast crunch wrap to choke him out with a dog leash and then throw him into an active volcano.
Peg me with a frozen popsicle made of Baja Blast. Nice.

Speaker 1 And then parentheses, I wrote cosine. Yeah, it's good.
That's yourself.

Speaker 2 That's how good the crunch wrap is.

Speaker 1 723. PFT says he wishes the Statue of Liberty was lower cut and had more cake in her cheeks.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 731. PFT says Jane Jetson was an absolute fox.

Speaker 2 Okay. It's a fact.
it's a fact.

Speaker 1 731, quote, I love when Jerry Jones inserts himself in any way, Big Cat, followed by bonk by PFT, and then said that's a you bonk. So that's another

Speaker 2 disambiguation. Yeah.

Speaker 1 PFT, 731.

Speaker 2 Bonk. Sometimes it's like a smelted delta.
So in that case, Big Cat was probably not being horny.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you just.

Speaker 2 And then I, yeah.

Speaker 1 You just went. I think, are we finding out that you might be the horniest on the podcast? There's been a pretty...
We got time. It's been going back and forth.

Speaker 1 big cat says

Speaker 1 now we just do hand jobs, get more people coming when talking about how we don't say suck our dicks anymore. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 8-9, Big Cat says he'll let Billy pee in his mouth in order to complete the food challenge.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 8-17, PFT says Zach Wilson is going to Ballout versus Lions because he knows Aiden Hutchinson's MILF mom will be in the stands.

Speaker 1 9-1, Big Cat says he kind of likes the people who jerk jerk off on trains.

Speaker 1 I do. I mean, I think that they're just living their best life.

Speaker 2 By the way, Jake's been making a disgusted face to every single one of these guys.

Speaker 1 Is it good on 9-10? I defend that. Billy making his first appearance on the list.
9-8, Billy says he wants to be put in solitary confinement with just a dildo.

Speaker 1 I don't remember. Yeah, makes sense.
9-11, memes posts a picture of Driscoll's huge ass. On the 9-11? Yeah.
Jeff Driscoll's huge ass.

Speaker 2 Never forget.

Speaker 1 He does love that picture. He loves that picture.

Speaker 1 I only see that picture from R.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 1 For people who don't know, it's Jeff Driscoll's huge ass, and it's kind of

Speaker 1 wet, so you can kind of see through.

Speaker 1 It's such a weird picture.

Speaker 2 Why'd he post that on 9-11? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. 9-18, PFT says his throat is wide open and to shove it into Robert Sala when talking about Jets win.
That's the receipts. Receipts.
That's the receipts. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 We got to circle back on the receipts. Actually, 10-16.

Speaker 1 This is again 10-16. Big Cat and PFT say their mouths are wide open for Robert Solomon.

Speaker 1 10-16, again,

Speaker 1 miss bad labeling here. I don't have the name.
Thought, so

Speaker 1 choose your own adventure for who. Thought that my satirical Haley Bieber Selena Gomez was horny when it was just regular satire.
Also not mad that he got called out for it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say that's PFT. That's me.
That was me, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 I wasn't mad. You were right.
You got that one. Yeah, that part's right.
I'm still not mad.

Speaker 1 PFT says he would suck a dick to play in Billy McFarlane's Festival, 10-24. Okay.

Speaker 1 11-2, Big Hat mentions Pogs, and Billy thought he was talking about Pogs. Remember that?

Speaker 1 I was sorry about the fucking little game we played in the late 90s with the. What were they? Just milk cast caps? Yeah.
And the slammers. And Billy was all horned up.

Speaker 2 Tectile Pogs.

Speaker 1 11-17, PFT says Joe Burrow is way hotter than Kenny Pickett when they both have girl filters on.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then 12-28, Big Cat says he's ready to dong it up for the Arizona Bull broadcast with the Telestrator. Oh, yeah.
That was the final bonk of the year. Yeah.
He got one in. Yeah.

Speaker 1 He did. He did get his dong in.

Speaker 1 All right. So what was the final tally? I think PFT ran away with it.

Speaker 2 I would say it ran away with it. I'd say we felt like it was three to one every time.

Speaker 1 I think we've got a good,

Speaker 2 we're a red-blooded American male podcast.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we got testosterone.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Sorry for being masculine.
We won't apologize for being guys. Yeah.
You in the bunk.

Speaker 1 All right, bonker. Billy loves this fucking thing.

Speaker 2 All right. I mean, I got it from Amazon.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, I've been bonking.

Speaker 1 All right, good job, Hank. I think that's a great way of doing it.
So we'll be better detailed

Speaker 1 going forward. Yeah, me and I'll just give Jake my notes and he can

Speaker 1 whatever you

Speaker 1 put the bibliotech

Speaker 1 when you like search for a research paper.

Speaker 2 Wait, did you just drop a bibliotech? Like the Spanish word?

Speaker 1 Bibliotheque. Work.

Speaker 1 Workside.

Speaker 1 Bibliotheca. Bibliotheca.

Speaker 1 Put a library. Bibliotheca.

Speaker 2 You can de star.

Speaker 1 Put it here albano. Bibliotheca.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Time for numbers. So, have you splashed the pot?

Speaker 1 No, I thought we were doing Sundays.

Speaker 1 No, well, we should 20 bucks on Sunday. Yeah, 20 bucks a Sunday.
Well, let's start with everyone just owes 20 bucks right now because it would have been Sunday.

Speaker 1 I'll splash the pot.

Speaker 1 Everyone just gets 40. I will splash the pot for Friday, but I don't know that this counts for pot splashing.
Oh, yeah, this counts.

Speaker 2 It's only Sunday.

Speaker 1 So you're not putting anything in here? Not till Sunday. I thought we were doing Sunday.
Why not today? What about

Speaker 1 Sunday? We didn't do it on Sunday. No, it's once a week.
Okay, okay, 20 makes sense. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I thought it was every time. All right, if Hank's not going to, I'll splash the pot for you.

Speaker 1 Hank. All right, all right.
I'll splash the pot, but yeah, I'll splash the pot.

Speaker 1 The pot's at $120. Everyone owes $20.
The pot's at $120. If they win, it's $240 because Hank will have to match.

Speaker 1 And you still are never going to get it. And I'm going to splash it.
I hope he gets it right now. So bad.

Speaker 2 17.

Speaker 2 69?

Speaker 1 23. 57.
20. 18.

Speaker 2 50. Confirm, Sebastian, it's over.
Yeah, it's over. Actually, I'd like to change mine to 54.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so what was your number, Hank? 54. 23.
Have you ever gotten this? Nope.

Speaker 2 Shout out Parker Titsworth. Gave me a jersey.
Arizona Bowl star.

Speaker 1 This is the first time I'm actually rooting for Hank. I think it'll be awesome.
It's going to be incredible. It is completely flipped on him.

Speaker 1 57. It's sentimental to me.

Speaker 1 My friend of mine

Speaker 1 has

Speaker 1 brand new babies in his family, so I did the birthdays of both the babies.

Speaker 1 27.

Speaker 1 Oh, new! New. Oh, yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, now it's a

Speaker 1 race against time. Lottery ball versus Hank.
Man versus machine. What do we have?

Speaker 2 626.29.

Speaker 1 27 has entered the chat. Wait, so 626.29 is it? Yep.

Speaker 2 So 97 of the 100 numbers have been picked. Wow.

Speaker 1 Wait, what's the thing again? If all 100 was all thing?

Speaker 2 If all 100 get picked before Hank, I think Hank should owe us money.

Speaker 1 I think we should. I think if all 100 get picked before Hank,

Speaker 1 it's a deal. Deal.
Yeah, let's do that. It was

Speaker 2 if you did all 100 and everyone besides his number was last, you like.

Speaker 1 No, I think what we should do is if the lottery ball machine picks every single number and Hank still hasn't gotten it right, we have to build a human-sized lottery ball machine and put Hank in it.

Speaker 2 What if he just picks one of the numbers though? I've had so many people DMing me asking if 27 was in the thing.

Speaker 1 Here they are. Okay, I actually think Hank should have to get a tattoo.
Three is no longer in.

Speaker 2 Hank, you should have to get a tattoo of the number that beats you. If this lottery, it should be like a lottery ball that you get tattooed on your body somewhere.

Speaker 1 So 626,

Speaker 2 Three numbers remaining. You should have to get a tattoo.

Speaker 1 You can't guess the number.

Speaker 2 If it's a 29 ball, you should have to get an orange ping-pong ball that says 29 on it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So you're going to get a tattoo? Yeah, I mean, sure. If I don't guess.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, I guess it also comes. Other people could guess the number first.

Speaker 1 Sure. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Let's do one more.
Does it count? Does it count? It doesn't count.

Speaker 1 Hank, go ahead, guess. Just it doesn't count.
Does it count?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 51. Should I tweet something that's never happened before just happened with the lottery ball?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 people will be so mad. All right, we'll see everyone Friday.
Love you guys.

Speaker 2 Shout out Evan Lasseter. It's his birthday today, and he's currently battling the hospital, former teammate.

Speaker 1 What up?

Speaker 2 And horn frogs are actually not frogs, they're lizards.

Speaker 2 I don't know what to say, I'm saying to you.

Speaker 1 Today is not my day to find you shine away.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'll be coming for your love okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'll be coming for your love okay.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'll be coming for your love okay.

Speaker 1 I'll be

Speaker 1 gone.

Speaker 1 Needless to say,

Speaker 1 I've obviously

Speaker 1 somewhere in a way.

Speaker 1 Slowly learning that life is okay. Stay after

Speaker 1 I'll explore to be safe and sorry.

Speaker 1 I'll be

Speaker 1 gone.

Speaker 1 Settle, petrol, bad old, headlong, head old, metal, metal, metal.