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Speaker 1 On today's part in my take, we have our good friend Tom Fernelli talking college bowl season. We're going to do the playoffs.

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Speaker 1 sorry, week 16 picks and preview,

Speaker 1 fantasy dabos, firefest of the week, and the jets and Zach Wilson. We got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 1 Welcome to part of my take.

Speaker 1 Today is Friday, December 23rd.

Speaker 1 And PFT, I think I speak for both of us when I say I just feel bad for Billy having to watch that. I just feel so bad that he had to watch Zach Wilson and the Jets.
I feel bad.

Speaker 1 Don't you feel bad?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's tough because, like, as a Taylor Heineke guy and Big Cat, you as a Justin Fields guy, like, it's, it's rough to watch Billy watch those Jets, the revolving door of quarterbacks they've gotten.

Speaker 2 They keep going back to Zach Wilson. And it's like, when are they going to learn that, man? I don't know.
I just, some guys just don't understand good quarterback play. So I feel bad.

Speaker 1 I feel bad, PFT.

Speaker 1 Zach Wilson is so bad at football. Halfway through the game, I started watching Prime Vision.
Shout out our guy, Sam Schwartzstein, who does a great job there.

Speaker 1 So I could see the like all 22 angle just to see how bad he is. And he's worse than bad.
He was missing wide open.

Speaker 1 That second and 25 play where he, I think, I think he had Garrett Wilson streaking down the field wide open, and he just held the ball, held the ball until he was covered.

Speaker 1 It was almost like, I got to wait until there's like two Jaguars there, and then I'll let it rip. He is so lost.
He is so bad. Chris Striveler comes in.
It's over for Zach Wilson.

Speaker 1 Like you can't, I know Mike White like getting injured. Joe Flacco, by the way, shout out.
Like he looked like he wanted to be anywhere but on that sideline tonight. Like he was wearing the coat,

Speaker 1 having the

Speaker 1 helmet all the way down.

Speaker 1 Zach Wilson

Speaker 1 is so bad.

Speaker 2 He's so bad, big cat. Like, I actually think you were watching the

Speaker 2 alternate channel. I was looking for the dude perfect broadcast because I actually think that any of those guys could step in and be a better quarterback than Zach Wilson right now.

Speaker 2 I think if Zach Wilson showed up to the Dude Perfect warehouse in Dallas, Texas, and like threw a couple balls, like a couple tennis balls across the room, they'd be like, dude, who do you know here?

Speaker 2 Like, are you sure you're in the right spot? Like, Zach Wilson couldn't even play for Dude Perfect at this point.

Speaker 1 It was so bad.

Speaker 1 And I just want to say a shout out to Jets fans, not Billy, because Billy tried to shame us earlier in the year saying that he feels bad for Commanders and Bears fans, but all the Jets fans at the game and who have to go through this because they know, like, this has been similar to our history, like, this is their history as quarterbacks like this.

Speaker 1 But Jets fans, the crowd shots were so funny. They were, they were on their boo game early, which I respect the hell out of because that's how bad he's been.

Speaker 1 There also was, it was so bad, and this happened to Strieveler too when he had Uzama running down the field, but it happened for Zach Zach Wilson as well.

Speaker 1 Jets fans were yelling out like, there's an open receiver before the quarterback for the Jets could see the receiver. Like they were like, that guy's open.
Like, ah, please, please throw it.

Speaker 1 And then the quarterback would be like, oh, shit, maybe I should throw it. That's how bad it got.
So shout out Jets fans.

Speaker 1 Everyone in that in MetLife Stadium tonight could have played better than Zach Wilson.

Speaker 2 And so people are saying like, oh, wow, great sports town, like sarcastically, like you're booing your own quarterback. I think they are a great sports town.

Speaker 2 Yes, they went out tonight in a game that was, what, it's probably like 30 degrees outside.

Speaker 2 It's rainy, snowy a little bit, shitty, just a terrible, terrible night to go out to watch this football game. They have every single right to boo Zach Wilson.

Speaker 2 Zach Wilson was doing what you're talking about when he was waiting like so long for his receivers to get open, it looked like he was playing 500. You remember, you remember playing 500?

Speaker 2 You wait, you throw it into a big group of like four people, and then whoever comes down with it comes down with it.

Speaker 2 He did that that several times tonight and it was it was awful and then striver gets in there and at least he's a spark like striver's a gamer that's he's he's taysome hill white well i was gonna say like if you squint real hard or get real drunk he's like tim tebow he's everything he's everything they wanted tow to be whereas number 15 but except like tim tebo with an edge you know uh i i liked watching striver play he's a good spark guy the rest of the offense seems actually i was gonna say the offense seems to respond to striveler i think the offense just seems to respond to not having Zach Wilson out there.

Speaker 1 Anyone. And, I mean, I don't even know, like,

Speaker 1 he can't. I don't think he's redeemable at this point because you've now benched him twice for two different quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 The Jets have wasted an incredible defense, which, like,

Speaker 1 and people will say, like, oh, the offensive line wasn't helping him.

Speaker 1 If you're watching that game and you think the offensive line was the problem, like, they weren't great, but you saw it right from the get-go when they get the fumble, they're in the red zone, and Zach Wilson doesn't just do like a simple protection check and gets absolutely blasted by a blitz,

Speaker 1 you know, by the linebacker like the third play of the game. He also is just so scared of making mistakes that he holds onto the ball and he gives his offensive line no chance.

Speaker 1 So I don't think it's an offensive line thing. I don't think it's a coaching thing.
I think Zach Wilson is completely lost. I'm not saying he can't find it.

Speaker 1 If sometime in the future, his ceiling is Mahomes, as we've learned from Billy, but

Speaker 1 that wasn't like, oh, the rest of the team failed him. Zach Wilson is just, he's completely lost mentally.

Speaker 2 We joke about

Speaker 2 quarterbacks that come in and have great handoffs.

Speaker 2 I love a good backup quarterback with a Crisp Handoff. But in reality, Zach Wilson, when he hands the ball off,

Speaker 2 you get the butthole pucker that you get with a bad quarterback that's prone to throwing interceptions when they throw a pass.

Speaker 2 Like, Zach Wilson just looks like he does not know what he's doing at all when he has the ball in his hands in the backfield. Credit to the Jaguars.

Speaker 2 Trevor Lawrence looks awesome.

Speaker 1 Awesome.

Speaker 2 It seems like him and Doug are getting into this mode where they're like, they're doing the mind meld, the Doug Peterson mind meld, where he gets in his own quarterback's head and they seem to be like operating as one.

Speaker 2 It's a very Zen thing that happens to Doug Peterson offenses sometimes when it's like the quarterback is the extension of the coach and the coach is the extension of a quarterback.

Speaker 2 I can feel that like, it's like I just saw Avatar for the first time last week. They're like, their hairs are like braid touching right now, and they're just becoming one unit.

Speaker 1 It's fun to watch.

Speaker 1 And the Jaguars, so Trevor Lawrence,

Speaker 1 we've had questions about him playing in rain and cold. He played well tonight.
He was running the football as well, like making good decisions.

Speaker 1 Tough, tough environment to play in against a good defense, and he played very well. And the Jaguars are going to the playoffs.
Like, I'm going to say it right now.

Speaker 1 The Jaguars are going to the playoffs because they just went and they beat the Cowboys and the Jets back-to-back weeks. Next week, they have to play the Texans, which are their kryptonite.

Speaker 1 So that does make you a little nervous. But with the Ryan Tannehill news and you have Malik Willis, the Titans have to play the Texans and the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 If they lose one of those two, week 18 becomes for the AFC South. The Jaguars are ascending.
The Titans are falling apart. I think the Jaguars are going to the playoffs, PFT.

Speaker 1 I think we're going to get Trevor Lawrence and Doug Peterson in the playoffs, and not only are we going to get them in the playoffs, we're going to get a home playoff game in Duval. Think about that.

Speaker 2 That's going to be awesome. The pool is going to be filled.
People jagging off left and right. Jackson DeVille is going to be wearing his finest black tie affair.

Speaker 2 I love it. I love it for Jacksonville.
That'd be so cool to see. It's great.

Speaker 2 I think you're right, too. Like, I've said since like week four, congrats to the Tennessee Titans for winning that division.

Speaker 2 But with the Tannehill news, it does, it seems like if I were a betting man, which I am, so I guess I'll have to do this, I got to bet on the Jaguars to win that division.

Speaker 2 And yeah, good for Jacksonville. It's exciting to see.
So, Billy, your boy, Zach Wilson, aka Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 The honest question, do you think that Patrick Mahomes would be a better quarterback for the Jets if he only was allowed to use his left hand?

Speaker 8 That's actually terrible because Patrick Mahomes is so good with dumping the ball off of his left hand that

Speaker 8 he may have created more offense.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would say so. Or let's say not even left hand.
Let's say Patrick Mahomes has to throw everything

Speaker 1 either sidearm or underhand. No overhand throws.

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 He would be like three times the quarterback that Zach Wilson is.

Speaker 1 And one more thing. I want to hear your thoughts, Billy, but one more thing about Zach Wilson.

Speaker 1 The comments after the Patriots game are just as detrimental as his play, because if he didn't do that, I think people wouldn't like

Speaker 1 there's a feeling of like piling on because second-year quarterback, you hate to do that, but Zach Wilson feels like he deserves it because of those comments and his like attitude of like, it's not my fault, like I can do this, you guys are stupid, it's not me, it's it's everyone else on the team.

Speaker 1 So, like, he, he really, like, those comments just stick in my head every time I'm like, do I feel bad for Zach Wilson? I'm like, no, no, no, I don't.

Speaker 1 Because in his head, he's like, no, no, everyone else sucks. I'm the man, but he's not

Speaker 1 Billy.

Speaker 8 So, looking at the Jets schedule at the beginning of the season, I saw that this was the one primetime game.

Speaker 8 And I was like, by that point in the season, we will know if Zach Wilson is the guy or not the guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And good call by you. So you're telling me, you're trying to get credit rate? No, no, no.
Listen, Billy was right.

Speaker 2 Billy, do we know? Do we or do we not?

Speaker 1 Do we not find out tonight?

Speaker 8 No, no, we know. And I was like, okay, I'm going to try to be as supportive as I can for this young guy.
And, you know, when the media turns on him, I'm still going to be positive.

Speaker 8 At this point, I do not think he is for the New York Jets.

Speaker 2 24-year-olds in the workplace.

Speaker 8 I think, you know, in a smaller market, if he does some ayahuasca and gets a total different mindset, like

Speaker 1 the market, no.

Speaker 1 No, I literally.

Speaker 1 You're an extension of Zach Wilson, where you're just blaming everyone but Zach Wilson.

Speaker 8 No, no, I think he definitely is totally messed up in that system.

Speaker 1 He's not making, he's scared out of his fucking life to throw the ball.

Speaker 1 It's a system. Dude, maybe he sucks.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 2 Let's list reasons why Zach Wilson hasn't worked out for the Jets. Number one, the bright lights of the New York media.

Speaker 1 Number two,

Speaker 1 which he should be able to deal with the iBlack. on every game.

Speaker 1 He should be able to deal with the bright lights.

Speaker 8 No, I'm not defending him anymore. I'm not defending him anymore.

Speaker 1 The thing is,

Speaker 2 Zach Wilson, you can't be a do-rag guy anymore.

Speaker 1 You just can't. You have to take the

Speaker 2 snatches do-rag. He's no longer part of the do-rag club.

Speaker 1 Headband.

Speaker 2 And number two, I would say the system that he has to run that requires him to be good at quarterback, he doesn't fit in with that.

Speaker 1 Also, Elijah Moore was not nice to him. Remember when Elijah Moore was like, throw me the ball, dude? And that was kind of mean.

Speaker 1 Why would you say that? You know he can't throw you the ball. It's very clear he can't throw you the ball.

Speaker 2 Reason number four,

Speaker 2 Jack Mac didn't take down the TikTok of him when it got discovered that he was having sex with an older woman.

Speaker 2 He didn't take that down fast enough.

Speaker 1 By the way,

Speaker 2 imagine being the guy, like your wife cheats on you with Zach Wilson.

Speaker 2 You've got to be pumped right now, right?

Speaker 1 You've got to be so sick.

Speaker 2 So you've got to be so excited that he sucks.

Speaker 1 No, opposite. I think you're like, if you're going to cheat on me, at least cheat on me with like a Pro Bowler.

Speaker 2 No, no,

Speaker 2 i think you're pumped because you get to just rub her face and then be like look at this loser you had sex with no and she's like

Speaker 1 she's like yeah i had a lose i had sex with a loser because you couldn't satisfy me i don't know that's way different no no you have it all exactly opposite if she if if if your wife cheats on you with patrick mahoser josh allen you're like well i'm not those guys i'll never be that guy with zach wilson you're like i'm better than him How could you do that to me?

Speaker 2 Okay, I guess in this situation, I'm envisioning the couple has separated already. and now you get to at least like laugh at her.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm saying, like, if they're still together, if they're trying to reconcile, you're like, this is what you risked, this is what you put our marriage on the line for for this guy who can't fucking hit an open receiver to save his life.

Speaker 2 Well, I know that if it's like in Buffalo, probably half of the marriages up there would encourage their wives to sleep with Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 If your marriage breaks up because your wife cheated on you with Joe Burrow, you'd be like, well,

Speaker 1 what am I supposed to do? It's Joe Burrow. You know what I mean? Like, you can't, you have to put your hand up.
Like, you, it's Joe Burrow. Like, you can't compete with that.

Speaker 1 Zach Wilson, everyone can compete with that. I think Billy could have done better than Zach Wilson tonight.
I'm going to be honest. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Fucking hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Dude, I was watching the fucking game.

Speaker 8 I was watching the fucking game and looking at concepts that I ran in high school that he was reading wrong.

Speaker 1 I'm serious.

Speaker 8 You know, I see that, like, my arm talent, it's not fucking pro arm talent, but I could have made some throws and just getting to guys

Speaker 8 No, I was going off during the game because I was watching the game I like all my friends were out watching the game because everyone had work off like Christmas and everything and I was at home on the couch watching the game and it was so goddamn frustrating and when stretler came in I was like fuck yeah, this is a gamer.

Speaker 8 This is a guy who played in the CFL ball down the preseason. Let's create some offense.

Speaker 8 And he actually might be the like he might create offense for this team but in the moment he didn't create enough momentum to actually get something going but that's just because he hasn't gotten the reps zach wilson is

Speaker 1 pussyfooting with the football he plays with his dick between his legs and a mangina i'm sorry i'm done defending him i'm done defending him billy

Speaker 1 i like i wanted to i wanted to i've been doing it all season i've been doing it all season no i'm not gonna get rampart i'll just mute him right now wait wait no i want to i want to say something real quick.

Speaker 1 Billy, I'm giving you your Jets fandom pinstripes back because that's how every Jets, what you just said is how every Jets fan feels right now. So you're back.

Speaker 1 Because there was a while there where I was like, dude, if you keep calling him Patrick Mahomes, like Jets fans are going to fucking turn on you. You're back.

Speaker 8 I'm a 23-year-old in media, in the workforce.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to have a unique take and just back him up for the whole season. I can't do it anymore.
I can't. You're back.
I can't.

Speaker 8 That was primetime television.

Speaker 1 That was primetime television.

Speaker 8 And it was like I I had buddies at the bar Snapchatting me, taking shots every time there was a three and out. And I'm sitting on my couch watching him stink.

Speaker 1 Billy, nice shirt, by the way. Party shirt.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a great shirt. Billy, so

Speaker 2 when we said that we were about to start recording and you said heading back, where were you just curious where you were heading back from?

Speaker 1 Whoops. Being

Speaker 8 literally watching that game stone-cold soap.

Speaker 1 You were snapchatting him from the bar, PST. He wasn't at the bar.

Speaker 1 He was across the room at the bar, at the water corner, with all the other sober people.

Speaker 2 Yeah, with all the other totally sober 23-year-olds.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 He's so bad. All right, Billy, I like that rant.
It's no, it's just ridiculous.

Speaker 8 The thing is, if you have any other, not even conservative quarterback, but just a guy, a game manager, that's all like, that's all you need in that system.

Speaker 8 But we got a crazy playmaker who can make throws that not many people can make, admittedly, but that's the only thing he's got.

Speaker 8 It's like it's literally, it's not, it's not the fucking it's he has no motion in the ocean, he's just got a big arm.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so why don't they just run that play from his pro day every single time?

Speaker 1 Yeah, run the pro day. Well, he did, and he he met, he missed Garrett Wilson so badly.

Speaker 1 I got a stat here for you.

Speaker 2 Jets offense for the first seven possessions with Zach Wilson, 78 yards. With Schrieveler for one possession, 83 yards.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Gamer.

Speaker 2 Gamer. He's a gamer.

Speaker 1 It's especially sad.

Speaker 1 And I actually, I do feel bad for Jets fans because now that Billy has come to grips, and this is why PFT and I laughed at him so hard when he said after Thursday night football he feels bad for us.

Speaker 1 Billy, you're home. Like you, you.

Speaker 1 There's no two people who can tell you better

Speaker 1 what bad quarterback play looks like than us.

Speaker 1 And the thing that's frustrating for Jets fans, and I feel this frustration, their defense is still very good and they have good skill players.

Speaker 1 And if you miss the quarterback, it's like you just wasted a team that on its whole, like the roster is really fucking talented and the one guy screws up the whole thing.

Speaker 1 And that's the worst thing to watch. It is so painful to watch.
I've watched it many, many times. It sucks.

Speaker 2 But the spin zone here is you're a quarterback away.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 2 you have a young roster. They're going to be good for a couple of years.
I think that they've set themselves up pretty good. Salah is a good coach.
I think we can agree, at least defensively.

Speaker 1 He turned the defense around. Last year, they were a terrible defense.

Speaker 2 I don't know if it's just his name, but I think LaFleur is a good coordinator. He seems like he's relatively competent.

Speaker 2 It's hard to tell when you have Zach Wilson out there executing your plays for you.

Speaker 1 I'd like to see LaFleur figure out

Speaker 1 what he would do if he's trying to kick three field goals to make up eight points. But then we can decide.
If that's like a genetic thing that he's passed down.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we need to check that with him.

Speaker 2 But he seems like he's a good play caller. He seems like he at least has a plan that he tries to execute.
It feels like it would make sense if it was competently run.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 2 you're just a quarterback away. So you can say there's going to be some quarterbacks that come up in free agency this summer.
You can look at Jimmy G.

Speaker 2 They wanted Jimmy G earlier. I actually think that with Jimmy G, the Jets probably win 10 games.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, you know what's crazy, PFT?

Speaker 1 At the beginning of the season, remember I said when the Jets were like 7-2, I was like, the Jets feel like the 2018 Bears, where the 2018 Bears defense was probably a little bit better because it was, you know, Khalil Mack was like out of his mind that year and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 And I was like, and deep down, you know, the guy who's the quarterback is probably holding you back. Mitch Trubisky would have this team in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 Mitch zriski on the jets right now would have this team in the playoffs i was wrong i was very wrong mitch

Speaker 1 zach wilson is not mitch trubiski he's way worse

Speaker 8 bad year just bad year for quarterbacks named wilson actually zach wilson go be a javelin thrower seriously go try to be in the olympic javelin throwing he doesn't smoke weed so yeah so he can do it yeah but like

Speaker 9 you have a great

Speaker 2 did you see that one do you see that kid in india that took a javelin through through his neck and he had emergency surgery to pull it out? He's fine now.

Speaker 2 But I got tagged like a million times in that story. And people were co-tagging Emmanuel Acho on that, being like, hey, you were right, man.
Let's be safe out there.

Speaker 1 That's perfect.

Speaker 1 Billy, I'm proud of you, though, because this was needed.

Speaker 2 No, I literally needed it.

Speaker 1 You let it out, and that's what Jets fans are feeling right now, because it's shitty. It's shitty.

Speaker 1 You guys had a playoff team, and if Mike White doesn't break all of the ribs in his body, I still think they're a playoff team because I think they probably would have won one of these last couple games.

Speaker 1 Like, it's just, it's shitty. The fact that you had to go back to Zach Wilson is brutal.

Speaker 8 I mean, I understand it from a GM standpoint, why they went back to him and didn't let Mike White play.

Speaker 8 But, I mean, it's just, we need something. He needs a change of scenery.
He's not getting along here.

Speaker 8 What are you putting up on the screen?

Speaker 1 Jake is holding up a tweet from Rich Samini that says, Salah on Zach wilson we haven't seen the last of him well i mean i assume that he has to like actually show up and pick up all his stuff before he leaves right they might just change the the key card but like like if he if he has to like get his like bag and clean out his locker you'll see him one more time right i mean the guy has a software problem not a hardware problem that's a great way of putting it

Speaker 1 that was such an instagram ceo comment no but you're on your vic gary v shit i love that you know what he needs a software and servers you know what expert to step in who's also against tracking the jets that would be Elon Musk yeah you know what Zach Wilson meet me in Hoboken let's get a beer talk things out you figure it out yeah

Speaker 8 well I've supported you for a long time this like

Speaker 1 yeah well really you got to find a way to get a beer with him before this podcast gets posted because I don't think he's going to get a beer with you after so you have like this is like a mission impossible you have four hours to basically find Zach Wilson and get a beer with him before

Speaker 1 he hears you screaming, you have a mangina, bro.

Speaker 1 I actually think, I think that Billy just,

Speaker 2 if you cut this clip right now of Billy saying, like, I want to have a beer with you.

Speaker 1 You have a software problem, not a hardware problem.

Speaker 2 Let me fix your viruses. I'm pretty sure that

Speaker 2 if he just sees that clip, he's not going to listen to the whole episode. If you were Zach Wilson, I would not consume any media for probably the next two weeks with just the off chance.

Speaker 2 Like, I could be listening to like a

Speaker 2 true crime podcast or, like, I don't know, reading like a cookbook online or something and catch a stray shot in there.

Speaker 2 Like, everybody is against you, but he might see it if you just, if you just tag him on social media.

Speaker 1 This killer hit his tracks so poorly, he was like Zach Wilson on the Jets. Yeah, exactly.
That's going to be on your MPR true crime podcast. You can't get away from it.
All right, Billy, last words?

Speaker 1 Anything?

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 8 I mean, the defense is very good. 19 points with that many three and outs actually is amazing for how

Speaker 1 Quinn Williams is incredible.

Speaker 8 We saw that last season, too. Like, they, I mean, they'd lose games and have 23 points, but there used to be so many three and outs.
And, like, that's just such a good defense.

Speaker 8 And it's, it's, it's like such a shame. It's like, it's an embarrassment of riches that this isn't going that well.

Speaker 1 I agree. I agree.
All right. We're going to kick it to ourselves in studio.

Speaker 1 Programming note, Monday we will have a new episode. It'll be just me and PFT recapping week 16.
Tight show. We're going to try to keep it an hour and a half.
So it'll be just the two of us.

Speaker 1 And then Wednesday is going to be the best of.

Speaker 1 And then Friday, PFT and Hank and I will all be in Arizona and Jake for the Barstool Arizona Bowl, which should tune in December 30th, Ohio versus Wyoming, 4.30 on barstool.tv. We have a bowl game.

Speaker 1 So we will be in Arizona on Thursday. We'll tape a new show there.
And then we'll be back to regular scheduled program on January 2nd with week 17 recap. So let's kick it to ourselves back in studio.

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Speaker 1 Okay, week 16.

Speaker 1 It's

Speaker 1 there's no more dancing around it, PFT. It's we're at the end.
We're at the end.

Speaker 2 I don't like hearing 16 because that reminds me of a 16-game schedule, which reminds me of a 17-game schedule, which means that the season's almost over.

Speaker 1 Well, the season is almost over.

Speaker 1 And we have

Speaker 1 big-time weather weekend. We also have the Sunday, Christmas Day, where the NFL is combating against the NBA.
And remember, I was thinking about it.

Speaker 1 Remember back in like May when they released the schedule? And we were like, holy fuck, this schedule is going to be incredible.

Speaker 2 They're going at the NBA.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we got the Packers and the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 We got Russell Wilson, probably first place in the AFC West, going up against the Rams, Super Bowl champs. We have the Bucs, Tom Brady, going against Kyler Murray.

Speaker 1 That's not exactly how it worked out. Packers, Dolphins, still a good game, but we're getting to see Russell Wilson versus Baker Mayfield and Tom Brady versus Trace McSorley.

Speaker 2 Trace McSorley, I mean, that's appointment television right there.

Speaker 2 You never know what's going to happen with Trace McSorley.

Speaker 2 No telling if he's going to complete a pass a cornerback or to a free safety.

Speaker 1 Yeah, throw it on a dime, Trace McSorley. So, week fit, week 16.
Um, a lot of playoff implications, a lot of teams that could clinch or be really fucked if they don't win their game.

Speaker 1 Uh, let's do the records and then we'll get we'll get going with it. So, give it to us, Jake.

Speaker 10 Yeah, this was quickly turning into two separate races. There's some separation in the standing.
So, first place PFT with 32.5 wins. Okay.
Max, 31.5. Big Cat, 30.5.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 10 So that's the top half.

Speaker 10 It seems pretty clear that one of the three of you guys will get second place.

Speaker 1 Yep, we're one apart.

Speaker 10 Billy makes a charge. Billy's at 26.
Hank's at 24, and I'm at 22.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 10 this is kind of, there's a big gap in the middle. Billy's in the best spot right now.
He's got four and a half points ahead of him.

Speaker 10 Excuse me, five and a half points ahead of his second place, and he's four ahead of me for last year.

Speaker 2 So I'm concerned about the health of Jake, first and foremost. Are you doing anything to change your picks up? What's your strategy coming down the stretch here? Because let's be honest with you.

Speaker 10 I'm 2 and 14 in the last four weeks.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Jake,

Speaker 2 you're staring down the barrel of a seven to 10 month recovery after Tommy John.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But he might be able to throw like 95 after. Right.
Rookie of the year. So if the playoffs started to the stomach? Yeah, his stomach.
That would be an issue, too. Hot dogs.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So if the playoffs started to the Max,

Speaker 1 Max and Jake would be bowling.

Speaker 2 Jake might actually die from this. His body just might say, peace, I'm out.
I'm done. So, are you doing anything different with your picks?

Speaker 1 Uh,

Speaker 2 are you fating yourself?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 if I were you, I'd just flip them all right now. No, okay,

Speaker 1 the famous last words, okay.

Speaker 10 Two and 14.

Speaker 1 I mean, this is gonna be Jake beating me by one game. Also, like how it ends, and then everyone should be hating me right now.

Speaker 2 And then, like, I'm so sorry that you've ever gotten in your entire life,

Speaker 2 like double grip on it.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, here's some bowling tips I studied over the last couple weeks. You can use

Speaker 1 a bowl for seven hours.

Speaker 2 He might hit you with a handshake and then give you a hug afterwards and be like, sorry. I'm sorry that you lost.

Speaker 10 I've already mentally prepared that I'm doing the punishment.

Speaker 1 And reminder: if we have a tie at second place or last place, the tiebreaker will be going to the wild card weekend. I think that you have to make a pick on every game.

Speaker 1 Every game, you have to have an over-under or underdog or favorite. And we won't do like you have to pick everything.
You just have to pick every game. And that will be how we break the tie.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 so we, this is since we're three weeks left in the regular season, we are texting our picks to memes, so there's no funny business.

Speaker 1 It'll be very interesting when we get all the way around to Billy, and he's like, wait, I want this pick. Well, I guess the Jets are playing tonight, so

Speaker 1 you can't do it. But let's get it going.
And Hank,

Speaker 1 vibe going into this weekend? I'll tell you right now, I'll start with my favorite favorite. It's the Cincinnati Bengals.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 Interesting.

Speaker 1 This should be a six and a half point line. Wait, this this is bad for you.
Hank, this is.

Speaker 2 So I was actually going to give you some advice for the Hungry Dog this week.

Speaker 1 No, I was,

Speaker 1 no. What are you talking about? I listened last week.
What do you mean, no, no? No for two. What do you mean, no, no, no?

Speaker 2 I'm winning the contest, which you are in danger of being lasted. No, but I listen.

Speaker 1 I listen.

Speaker 2 What'd you do?

Speaker 1 You listened to Big C too, but

Speaker 2 let me give you some advice now.

Speaker 2 Because this feels like a double look-ahead weekend to me. It feels like the Bengals and the Bills both are thinking about next week's game.
I would take both the Bears and the Patriots this weekend.

Speaker 1 Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 All right. All right.
So, the only thing. Let's say I didn't try.
I won't. I respect your, I appreciate the input.
I'm always open to advice from you guys. I'm just not going to take that piece of it.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 it's Bengals minus three and a half at the Patriots. Are you nervous that this is like the three right now? Oh, it's three.
Oh, wow. Okay.
Are you nervous at all that

Speaker 1 it's basically the, and we're all terrible gamblers?

Speaker 1 Shout out, Jay, for putting that into government records for me. We're all terrible gamblers here, admittedly.

Speaker 1 Are you a little nervous that this is like rule number one not to do in gambling where you bet against the Bengals last week, they beat the Bucs, and now you're like, I'm going with the Bengals this week?

Speaker 1 No, because this has absolutely nothing to do with the Bengals. This is entirely the Patriots are a joke.
Their season's over, demoralized. Matt Patricia is still the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 I don't know why. They're obviously getting rid of him after the end of the the year, right? They have to.
So why not just fire him now?

Speaker 1 Like, I don't know

Speaker 1 what the purpose of him on the team is, unless they're just like, whatever, the season's whatever. You know, just finish out the year.
We'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 What are they going to do with him with that opening? Like, they reassigned Matt Patricia.

Speaker 1 Anyone.

Speaker 2 And your best option is now Joe Judge.

Speaker 2 Is that better?

Speaker 1 Can't be worse.

Speaker 1 It might be. Did you see how the game ended last week? It literally cannot be worth it.

Speaker 2 I'll put that on Matt Patricia. Matt Patricia was on the sidelines very clearly saying to Jacoby Myers, do not throw that ball.

Speaker 1 It also, I was thinking about it all,

Speaker 1 and Mac Jones getting his face bounced like a basketball off the field.

Speaker 1 It actually did him a favor because I didn't realize until I was prepping for this week that he was 13 for 31 for 112 yards last week.

Speaker 1 Like, it almost that image helped bury the fact that he was so, so bad. Right.
Yeah. So

Speaker 1 good for him.

Speaker 2 He was pretty bad. And at least he he tried to make a tackle.

Speaker 1 He went low. Yeah.

Speaker 2 His technique was right. He's just not a strong man.

Speaker 1 So in your favor, Hank, the Bengals are on an 18-3 against a spread run in their last 21 games. They do have a lot of injuries, it feels like.

Speaker 1 They're in that camp of let's get everyone healthy for the for the playoffs type. Sam Hubbard also got hurt against the Bucs.

Speaker 2 You know what I like?

Speaker 1 Hendrickson's got the wrist.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't like the fact that Hubbard and Hendrickson are both injured at the same time. Right.
Because usually I mix them up in the game.

Speaker 2 It's like the whole Wes Welker, Welker, Julian Edelman thing. If one of them was out, that'd be awesome because then I could accurately say, oh, that's Sam Hubbard with a set.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. Seth Hendrickson with a second.
It'll be interesting to see

Speaker 1 what their defense looks like with some banged up guys.

Speaker 2 I think DJ Reeder is still the most important person on that defense. He's awesome.
Yeah, he is.

Speaker 8 I'm also on the Bengals.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Minus three. All right, two.
Billy and G. Mental Titans.
Okay. Anything else on this game, Hank? Are you going to be enjoying watching this game? No, and that's bad.
That's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 This is going to be awesome when the Patriots Patriots win money line.

Speaker 1 Like, Billy, yeah. Wait, wait, who's ahead in the standings? No, no, I'm saying I'm trying to catch you, so when we're on the same, that's bad.
Like, you just don't understand what I was saying.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was saying that it's bad.

Speaker 8 He thinks that my pick was cursing it.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 10 Now's a good time to say I'm on the Patriots.

Speaker 1 Oh, this is huge for the competition. Oh, my God.
This is humongous. Jake catching up to Hank by betting on the Patriots.

Speaker 1 This could be the whole competition because I'm changing the game on both of them and dropping another. Yeah, this is it.
You change your pick this is perfect so either your team wins or uh

Speaker 1 you help yourself in the competition oh hank this is awesome i can live with that i listen hank i've been riding the bankers but i'd rather win the competition i i've been i don't want to bowl i've been riding the bankers for a combo patriots i don't know season's over you can't say the season's over and be like patriot way it's like whatever season's fucking over patriots way only works when they're winning guys start quitting when they have to like go but they're still they are still very much in the playoff art and also they pay these guys to play football too, Billy.

Speaker 2 These guys are professionals on the Patriots.

Speaker 1 I think the Patriots might win this outright. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 It's a double look ahead. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't even, it's more the injuries and the fact that the Bengals are like, we're pretty good.

Speaker 2 I think you're going to get your best Patriots effort.

Speaker 1 All right, Max. Favorite, favorite?

Speaker 9 Broncos minus two and a half.

Speaker 1 I think they're turning a corner.

Speaker 9 Against the Rams.

Speaker 1 The Rams on Sundays.

Speaker 1 Also a Nickelodeon game.

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I think now is probably a good time to announce there will be an MVP awarded for this game. I say it just goes to Russell Wilson no matter what.

Speaker 1 Although Baker would be fun, too. He could.

Speaker 1 Whoever loses. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 All right, whoever loses. So we're agreed, though, it's going to be either Baker

Speaker 1 or Russell Wilson. Yeah, it's got to be the loser.
Because also, now that I'm thinking about it.

Speaker 2 It's funny if it was Gay, too, if it was Matt Gay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm thinking about it. Russell Wilson would actually love to get the MVP.

Speaker 2 Not if he lost, though. I think he still would.

Speaker 1 Remember, he got slimed? He went to to the awards. He'd be like, this is the most important award I've ever gotten.
I have kids that watch me play football.

Speaker 2 I think it would just be funny because I think you're right. Russell Wilson, even if he lost and won the MVP, he would take it as like a huge honor.
Right. Which I think would be funny for us.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right. So whoever loses.

Speaker 2 Whoever loses is Baker or Russell. We're voting for them for MVP.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yes.
I like it. All right.
Yeah. So Russ is back.
He's cleared concussion protocol. We did have the report last week that was straight from his agent to Shefty's phone that he

Speaker 1 wanted to play very badly, but was held out.

Speaker 2 Yeah, same, me too. Yep.
I wish I could have played in the NFL last weekend. I have a question for you, Big Cat.

Speaker 2 Is Russell Wilson fat?

Speaker 1 Yeah, oh, he's thick.

Speaker 2 I think he's gotten fat.

Speaker 1 I don't know if he's fat.

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 he's fatter this year than he was last year.

Speaker 1 No, he's definitely

Speaker 1 now in the one bad weekend away. Yeah.
Or shave your face and then have to be on camera.

Speaker 2 I think he's gotten chubby. And now, the only reason I brought that up was because Skip Bayless has been going at Baker.
He loves Baker, but he says that Baker is now fat.

Speaker 1 He's a little chunky as well.

Speaker 2 Baker might be fat too. And then I was thinking, wait a second, these are two like low-key, chubby quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 I understand why Baker might have gotten fat in Charlotte because I don't know that much about Charlotte. It feels like a city that people say, well, the food here is great.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And that's about all that you can do.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Russell Wilson. I haven't seen his picture with his shirt off in a while.

Speaker 1 I'm sure he'll get a whole new crop of them this offseason when he's on a yacht in throwing a football on a yacht, being like, always training. But he's one of those guys that has like fat abs.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? There's some definition, but

Speaker 1 you basically look at him and say, if you just exhale, you're fat.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. He's kind of like a quarterback that if you're making him in Madden, you know, like 6'2 ⁇ , 220 pounds, and then you just squish him a little bit like a gummy bear.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Yep. Yep.
Absolutely. All right.
So who's your favorite favorite?

Speaker 2 My favorite favorite this week. I'm going Steelers.
Yeah, I love the Steelers. So it's Franco Harris.

Speaker 1 Minus two and a half against the Raiders.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a night game. Franco Harris just passed away.
They were going to be honoring him in the ring of honor this weekend. I'm calling my shot.
This is going to be a double renegade game. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think the Steelers. I haven't played Renegade twice.

Speaker 1 So he was supposed to get his

Speaker 1 number retired. It was against the Raiders, which was the Immaculate Reception.
I didn't realize, and I threw this stat at PFT yesterday. He didn't realize either.
It was wow.

Speaker 1 Franco Harrison, the Immaculate Reception, was the first touchdown the Pittsburgh Steelers ever scored in a playoff game. It was also their first win in a playoff game.
Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 1 In the history of their franchises, they went, so in 1947, they lost 21-0 to the Eagles, and they had never made the playoffs otherwise. 1972, that game, they're down 7-6.

Speaker 1 That was the first ever playoff Pittsburgh Steelers touchdown, and it then started four Super Bowls in the 70s.

Speaker 1 It's crazy because you think of the Steelers as always being good, and I never really dawned on me that there was a long stretch where they were garbage.

Speaker 2 Well, you remember we talked about the Philadelphia Steels when they combined the Steelers and the Eagles back in World War II? That was the Steelers' first winning season. Yeah.
Was at that point.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 2 it never occurred to me that the Steelers weren't always good throughout the 60s and 70s.

Speaker 1 Right, it was just not only the first win, but the first touchdown ever scored in playoff year. Kind of a cool one to have.

Speaker 2 It was a very memorable one to start out. So, yeah, I think like like Steelers, in the first place, I think the Steelers have the best night uniforms in the NFL.

Speaker 2 It just, they're a different team when it's nighttime. When it's nighttime, when it's in Pittsburgh, when it's Franco Harris Day, and when they're blasting Renegade, TJ Watt might have four sacks.

Speaker 1 Pro Bowler.

Speaker 2 Four sacks. He might double his season title.

Speaker 1 Pro Bowler, TJ Watt.

Speaker 2 Four more sacks tonight.

Speaker 1 The only teams that didn't get a Pro Bowler were the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Chicago Bears. That hurt a little, but whatever.
Who made it from the Texans?

Speaker 2 Top of my head.

Speaker 2 they might have had a special teamer.

Speaker 10 Laramie Tunsell.

Speaker 1 Ah, that makes sense. PFT is very, very good.
Very, very good. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right, so PFT and I are both on the Steelers. That's also, I was,

Speaker 1 it's not the best game to have Christmas Eve, but it's definitely the color matchup, history behind it. Yeah, it just feels like it should be a Christmas Eve game.
Good uniforms behind it.

Speaker 1 Like a great history, everything behind it.

Speaker 2 John Madden would love the fact that this game was on Christmas Eve.

Speaker 1 And both teams do technically,

Speaker 1 both fan bases can still technically be playing the playoff simulator.

Speaker 1 Neither of them are technically eliminated.

Speaker 2 We did write the Steelers off a couple weeks ago. Mathematically, they're not.

Speaker 1 No, neither are the Raiders.

Speaker 2 But the Steelers,

Speaker 2 they are.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, both teams are. You're done.
But they're not. So maybe they can.

Speaker 1 You never know.

Speaker 1 Okay, Billy, you have the Patriots? Yes. Or, no, sorry, the Bengals.
The Bengals? Yeah, Bengals, Bengals. Jake, your favorite favorite?

Speaker 10 I'm on the Bills minus eight and a half against the Bears. This team is just due for a whamping.

Speaker 10 They've been winning close-ish games, but they're due to be that Bills team that wins like 31-3.

Speaker 2 What about

Speaker 2 the fact that

Speaker 2 it could be a look-ahead game, though, with the Bills?

Speaker 2 They've got their most important game of the season next week.

Speaker 1 What about also, Jake, Bearweather? It's supposed to be very cold in Chicago.

Speaker 2 Do you think the Bills are scared of that?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 they've never had to play in Bearweather.

Speaker 2 Josh Allen said last week he wished it was colder.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 Do the Bills play in Bear Weather? I don't think so. No, they don't.
You're right.

Speaker 10 Okay, I didn't account for that. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 So I'm just throwing that out there. Yeah.
It's always tough to come to Chicago in December and play in bear weather. So I don't know if the Bills are going to be able to handle that.
It is.

Speaker 2 Also, Justin Fields, isn't he a great covering quarterback?

Speaker 1 He has covered a lot of spreadsheets.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of backdoor fourth quarter, meaningless touchdowns.

Speaker 1 And the Bills, by the way, are 7-0 to the under on road games this year. So if you're thinking about taking this over, it's going to be cold.

Speaker 1 And maybe, I don't know, it's going to be a fun game. Josh Allen and Justin Fields should be a lot of...
We should maybe put them both in the Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 2 Well, I feel like Justin Fields is

Speaker 2 his running ability reminds me a lot of Josh Allen. Yeah.
Except probably a little bit quicker than Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 He is faster and like twitchier.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's twitchier, but this is like everybody's saying. They make a lot of contact.

Speaker 1 They do.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm concerned about that. Yeah, but everyone's saying, like, uh, he should look like maybe his ceiling is Josh Allen.
They're two completely different quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 There's like some similarities in terms of their physical stature and build, um, but that I think that let's pump the brakes a little bit on Justin Fields, Josh Allen. I agree.

Speaker 2 I do, uh, I put up a poll yesterday to see who people would rather have, Justin Fields, Trevor Lawrence. It's about 40, 60.
Fields to Lawrence, which I is a lot closer than I thought it would be.

Speaker 2 I thought I was out there on the island of my own.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I guess

Speaker 2 a lot of people like Trevor, which I think he's, I think he's a great quarterback. I think he's fine.
I just, I don't know, there's something about Justin. He's fun to watch.

Speaker 1 He's very fun to watch. Also, Justin Fields, I believe, leads the league in.
Yeah, he's been sacked 46 times, which is leading the league. So not really safe in the pocket either, Billy.

Speaker 1 It's not safe anywhere for him.

Speaker 1 He should probably just retire.

Speaker 8 They should just bench him.

Speaker 1 I actually, I know that I said that that was the lamest thing a month ago.

Speaker 1 Now that we're three weeks left in the season, if they said we're not playing Justin Fields, I'd be like, okay, because I want the second pick and I also don't want anything bad to happen to him.

Speaker 1 I've seen enough.

Speaker 8 He's a win-now quarterback.

Speaker 1 What do you mean?

Speaker 8 Like, I know the Bears are rebuilding, but if you had a win-now team, I think that would be the perfect spot for him.

Speaker 1 He's, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I agree with Billy. In development.
If the Bears were making through the rebuild, the Fields would be better. Yeah, I mean, he's going to be the franchise quarterback.
Right, right.

Speaker 1 If you have a team that's trying to, he's going to say, if you have a team that's trying to win, you want a quarterback that's that's good. Yeah.
And the bear is that if you're in a situation where

Speaker 8 I just hope he makes it through the rebuilding periods.

Speaker 1 No, see, don't do that. Like, that's.

Speaker 8 No, I'm just saying, I mean, has he not had injury?

Speaker 1 Not probably. Nothing significant.

Speaker 8 Right, but those add up.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 I mean, this was my take.

Speaker 8 This is my take years, like, weeks ago, and then he got hurt.

Speaker 1 No, he.

Speaker 2 What Billy's getting at is one game is that if Justin Fields was on an awesome team, then it would be cool to watch him play on a good team, and the team would be be good. Got it.

Speaker 1 But also, it's his fault for having an injury when he's been sacked 46 times, which has nothing to do with running. Right.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 1 So he should have a better offensive line. I agree with that.

Speaker 1 We agree.

Speaker 8 If he was on the Jets, I think the Jets' record would be better, and he'd have amazing stats.

Speaker 2 I would say so. And he'd be healthy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, he's significantly better, Corbyn.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's on that will sound like that.

Speaker 2 You could, like, honestly, have a monkey throw.

Speaker 1 The Jets win now?

Speaker 8 The Jets are winning now.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right.

Speaker 2 You could have a monkey throw a dart at a dartboard, and whatever quarterback it landed on would be a better fit for the Jets than what you've had this year. Yes, that's a fact.
It's just true.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Name one quarterback that wouldn't be a better fit for the Jets right now.

Speaker 1 Starter.

Speaker 1 Trey Xorley would probably be a better fit for the Jets. Billy Hattie would have to admit that.
Yeah, he would have to admit that Billy.

Speaker 2 I got you there.

Speaker 1 That's really the only one that maybe could be debatable.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I agree, though, Billy. I wish the Bears had a better offensive line.
Exactly. And they will have more talent around them coming up this year or next year.

Speaker 1 So that's why I want the second pick to get more talent. Hank,

Speaker 1 favorite underdog. My favorite underdog is the Seattle Seahawks plus 10 against the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 1 Chiefs have had two games in a row. They probably should have lost.
Well, the Chiefs don't cover big spreads. No, and they haven't looked good.
So I think 10 points is a lot.

Speaker 1 I think the Seahawks are a good, feisty team. Pro Bowl.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of room there with 10 points.

Speaker 2 Pro Bowler Geno Smith.

Speaker 1 Although they did cover last weekend, but still, that was overtime. They went to overtime versus Teams.

Speaker 1 They didn't cover. Oh, they cover for your stupid parlay.
Sorry, that's stupid.

Speaker 1 He wins five out of seven weeks, and you haven't hit the Hungry Dog once. They also dominated that game.

Speaker 1 That went to overtime? Yeah. Interesting.
They had, from a stats perspective, they had two fluky fumbles that made the score very close, but they dominated that game. I'm a scoreboard guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we know.

Speaker 1 You took the Bengals.

Speaker 2 Points matter to Hank. Off of the Bucs.
Points matter in this league. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Hank also, Chiefs of Holic, his absence is looming large. He's kind of the main focus of this game.
And I came across one of his tweets yesterday.

Speaker 2 If the Chiefs win the Super Bowl, Chief Zaholic is going to win $100,000. Whoa.
He's got futures on the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl. That could solve a lot of his problems right there.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't.

Speaker 8 His bail is $200,000.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was going to say, I also don't think that if you rob a bank, you can't just be like, hey, I'll pay it back and we're good. Yeah, it should.
Skim the ticket.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, let's just make, I'll make you whole, and we'll just not do this whole jail thing.

Speaker 2 Let's move on. Like, you don't want to get involved in lawyers.
I don't want to get involved in lawyers. Let's just do a handshake.
Sorry to the bank of Bixby.

Speaker 1 I think it solved none of his problems. He would just have to use that for lawyers that would not get him out of jail.

Speaker 2 He should have to promise to never use a bank again. He just has to keep all his cash on him at all times.

Speaker 1 Yeah, under his mattress.

Speaker 2 If he wins $100,000, he can get bail, though, right?

Speaker 1 His bail is

Speaker 1 $200,000. Yeah, but you can get bail bonds.

Speaker 2 Yeah, which is like 10%, right? 20%.

Speaker 2 Boom. That gets him out of jail right there.

Speaker 2 But he's still. Chiefs might have a chip on their shoulder for Chiefs to haul this.

Speaker 8 I don't think they give bail bonds for those types of charges.

Speaker 2 They should.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Seahawks. Seahawks.

Speaker 2 Dogs should get him out. Seahawks.

Speaker 2 Dogs should get him out. Dogs should get Chiefs to get him.

Speaker 1 You wouldn't run on Dog. You wouldn't dare run on Dog.
Not at all.

Speaker 2 A wolf versus a dog. That's a good one.

Speaker 1 I do match that all the time. Max.
Underdog. It's the only play.

Speaker 1 It's the only play. Okay, I have a question for you, Max.
So, Max, his play is the Eagles plus four and a half, is it right now against the Cowboys? Six. Six.
Garter Minshew is officially starting.

Speaker 1 Are the Eagles maybe tanking this game?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 No, that's bullshit.

Speaker 2 No, this is their Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Are you saying that

Speaker 9 beat a team three times?

Speaker 9 Are you saying beat a team three times?

Speaker 1 Okay, just follow along right now. The Eagles, the Cowboys losing the Jaguars change everything because the Eagles just have to win one of their last two games.
They play the Saints and the Giants.

Speaker 1 They want to beat the Saints very bad because they have their draft pick.

Speaker 1 They probably are going to see the Cowboys again in the playoffs. Is there part of them that is like, let's not show them anything.
Let's have Gardner Minshew play.

Speaker 1 Let's have a different offense. And we're probably going to lose this game because I also saw their injury report.
It was like they held like everyone out who wasn't even injured.

Speaker 1 Are they taking the game? That's my only question. They don't need to win this game.

Speaker 2 It's Dallas. I think they do want to win this game.

Speaker 1 No, they don't need to win. Badly.
No,

Speaker 2 I think very badly they want to win this game because, okay, they've got Minshew coming in. You're right.
They're not going to show their normal offense to the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 So they really have nothing to lose by getting weird with the playbook with Minshew in there. I think that if they win this game, this is like...

Speaker 2 Their season is done. The Eagles can wait until the playoffs if they win this game.
They can get super rested going into the first week or second week of the playoffs.

Speaker 2 All they have to do, they secure home field when they win this. They don't don't care what happens next week or the week after.
That's when they tank those games. But they want to win this one.

Speaker 1 No, if they wanted to win this game, Jalen Hurts would be playing. No.
Because he's not that hurt.

Speaker 2 I think he's got...

Speaker 1 Would you not agree with that, Max? If they wanted to win this game very badly, if this was their Super Bowl, Jalen Hurts would be playing.

Speaker 9 Correct. If this was the Super Bowl, Jalen Hurts would be playing 100%.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's possible for him to play this weekend. I think he's got a sprained shoulder, so he needs at least like

Speaker 2 one week to like heal everything and make it fine. I think Minshew might be the best backup quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 2 Put him in there, you win this game, and then you don't give a shit what happens next week or the week after. You've got the ones he locked down the playoffs.

Speaker 9 And Minshew's a good quarterback, and everyone else on the team is still there.

Speaker 1 I agree. I'm just asking.

Speaker 2 I don't think it's physically possible for Jalen Hurt. I think he's actually too hurt to play this weekend.

Speaker 1 I mean, he played the entire fourth quarter. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't think that's true.

Speaker 2 You get adrenaline, and then you get swelling that happens after the game's over.

Speaker 1 Right, but the way they were talking about it all week, it was like if this was a wishy-washy,

Speaker 9 I'm preparing to play.

Speaker 1 I think it's very precautionary that he's out of this game.

Speaker 9 I have no problem with him not playing.

Speaker 1 I would actually say if the Jaguars hadn't beaten the Cowboys, I think he'd be playing in this game. Because then they would absolutely beat this game.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 I'm also on the Eagles.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm probably going to bet the Eagles. I'm just worried that they might be like, we don't care at all.
Well, we've got to talk about Leech, too. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 The Leech.

Speaker 9 The Leech Gardaminch is massive.

Speaker 1 Although it makes me a little nervous that Garderman should miss a whole day of practice.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, no. That's fine.

Speaker 8 That's I'm a big believer in the no-film theory. And if they show up, new quarterback, and they're putting in new stuff, defensive coordinators have not seen on tape.

Speaker 8 New film theory, you see it with Mike White when he first comes in. I'm a big no-film theory.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 Garter's played before, though. He's played, you know, there's enough body of evidence out there in Garden Mitchie to know what he is able and not able to do.

Speaker 8 Right, but not this.

Speaker 1 And the Eagles' offense is built for Jalen Hurts. I just saying,

Speaker 1 if they needed this game, if they wanted to win this game very, very badly, I think Jalen Hurts would be playing. It makes me just a little bit nervous.

Speaker 2 I think they're going to come out there and I think they're going to beat the shit out of the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 I think Cowboys are frauds.

Speaker 1 Houston, the Shakespeare. They got to get healthy.
Yeah, they got to get healthy. I don't know.
I mean, I tend to agree with you just because Mike McCarthy is like,

Speaker 1 we've done this thought exercise of fat Mike McCarthy trying to make a decision in a playoff game. So who's your, are you underdog? Are you doing Eagles as well?

Speaker 2 No, I'm actually going to go Patriots underdog. Oh.
So I'm on the Patriots as well. Okay.
We talked about that game. Okay.

Speaker 2 Seems like after what happened last week to end that game, I don't think that any team in the history of the NFL will have a harder week of practice than the Patriots have had this week.

Speaker 2 I think Belichick just took all his frustration out on the team this week and just spending hours and hours at the facility. He's being a real dick to them in film setting.

Speaker 2 He probably made him watch that last play 50 times this week. Yeah.
And just embarrassed the shit out of them. I like the Patriots a lot this weekend.

Speaker 1 Hank, people were upset that you missed the golden opportunity to say we're on to Cincinnati right after the Raiders lost. Yeah, and

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 Miracle Miami was the start of the championship DVD, not the end of the season. So that was another error I would have to clear up.
I mean, whatever.

Speaker 1 People might say you don't know Ball, but I know you know Ball. Just follow the Hungry Dog.

Speaker 2 Just interesting that Hank's going against the Patriots this weekend.

Speaker 1 You called it my stupid parlay. I can't come back in the Hungry Dog.
It's fair. It's fair.
Who's going to be in the Hungry Dog?

Speaker 1 Doesn't matter. It's going to lose anyway.

Speaker 1 All right, my underdog is going to be the Green Bay Packers plus four.

Speaker 1 Okay. I

Speaker 1 against the Dolphins. Against the Dolphins.
The Dolphins actually have. Do you know the Dolphins have in the last two years the best home field advantage in the NFL?

Speaker 2 It's kind of crazy. I did not know that.
Well, they've got the sideline that draws more heat for the opponents.

Speaker 1 It's actually the last six years. I misspoke.
35 and 19 straight up, 33 and 18 and 3 against the spread, which is pretty nuts.

Speaker 10 They're actually going to be throwing sunscreen at the Packers when they're in the red zone.

Speaker 1 But it's not going to be

Speaker 1 warm. It's in the 50s.
Yeah, it's going to be in the 50s.

Speaker 2 Just balls of cocaine.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just,

Speaker 1 my spidey sense is saying the Packers are going to

Speaker 1 make this stretch run interesting, and I'm very nervous of how this is going to go. So it's partially an emotional hedge.
This is get right.

Speaker 2 This is get right weekend for the Miami Dolphins. I'm confident in them.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Billy. Eagles.
Eagles. You're also on the Eagles.

Speaker 1 James. The Patriots.
Patriots. All right.
So those are the underdogs. A lot of crossover.

Speaker 1 Let's, before we do our over and unders, and we'll do all the other games that we missed as well.

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Speaker 1 Hank, your favorite over

Speaker 1 a lot of, lot of weather, a lot of low totals this week. Yeah, so I'm going the lowest to the low.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Browns. Oh,

Speaker 1 this is a true. Brown Saints 32.
This is a true weather doesn't matter. Weather's not real game.
Brown Saints 32. Deshaun Watson unders have been the easiest bets since he started.

Speaker 1 Three easy unders. He's due for an over.
And the weather doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 I thought about this one, but I thought about doing the other thing, just trying the under. How exhilarating would that be to try to put an under in like the 20s?

Speaker 1 It's the lowest total since 2008,

Speaker 1 Bengals versus Browns. In that game, Ryan Fitzpatrick was 5 for 9 for 55 yards, and Ken Dorsey was 10 for 17 for 64 yards.
14-0 final. This is a.

Speaker 1 There's supposed to be 30-mile an hour wins, 1-3 inches of snow. Gus possibly up to 60 miles an hour.
This is a true test. Hank is going just mono e-mano versus the weather.

Speaker 2 We're going to get some field goals. I can already see it.

Speaker 1 Cade York.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Cade York.

Speaker 10 By the way, his brother is a long snapper for Wyoming in the Arizona ball.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 We're going to get some of these weird field goals. That's a fun ass fact.

Speaker 2 Where Cade York steps up and he hits it, and it's going to go like out of bounds to the sideline.

Speaker 1 They might not even try to get completely horizontal field goals.

Speaker 2 You know what? I might try to do like an over one and a half fuel goal bet on this game just to see if we can get it.

Speaker 1 This is also the game that will really show us how big of a fucking shithead Dennis Allen is.

Speaker 1 Because if all the things I just said are true and we have 30 mile an hour wins, guss up to 60 miles an hour, one to three inches of snow, all these things, if you don't fucking play Taysom Hill the majority of this game, you are the biggest shithead of all time.

Speaker 1 So on that note, Taysom Hill and Deshaun. I'm two good runners.

Speaker 2 On that note, I just texted with our good friend Jerry O'Connell because we are in the fantasy playoffs. We're going up against CJ McCollum this weekend.
I just said, Jerry, where are we at?

Speaker 2 What's going on with the roster this weekend? He said, good. Don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but good.
I did a lot of tinkering and tankering last night. I saw...

Speaker 2 Taysom Hill in a dream two nights ago. Oh, lovely.
So we're riding with Taysom. You got to go with a vision when you get one.
So Jerry had a vision. I agree.
This does feel like a Taysom Hill game.

Speaker 2 It feels like, and Miles Garrett might not play, by the way. Like, if he doesn't play, he's sick right now.
If he doesn't play,

Speaker 2 I could see an over happening.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but Taysom Hill is built for a game like this.

Speaker 1 You're basically saying there's so much wind and the weather is so bad that a running quarterback that can bash his brains through everyone else. This is...
Dennis Allen, you are a shithead shit.

Speaker 1 You're a shithead shithead. You know, like the everyone's favorite, every comic's favorite comic? Yeah.
You're every shithead's favorite shithead if you don't use Taysom Hill in this game.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, his brain is made out of shit if he doesn't because if you imagine yourself, let's say Miles Garrett does play.

Speaker 2 Miles Garrett's playing, and he's looking at Andy Dalton the entire game like Sylvester the Cat looks at Tweety Bird. Just, he's turning into like a turkey in front of him.
He's licking his chops.

Speaker 2 Miles Garrett is going to injure Andy. That actually might happen.
That would be likely that Miles Garrett actually hurts Andy Dalton, knocks him out of the game, and now he's forced to play

Speaker 2 Taysom Hill for the rest of the game. Yes.
Despite being a shithead.

Speaker 1 Hank, I want to say I'm proud of you. Thank you.
I'm proud of you. This is a true test.

Speaker 1 You know I love the personal revenge totals and just like a challenge. This is, this is, I'm rooting for you hard.
Very hard. Appreciate that.
All right. Go ahead, Max.
Your favorite over?

Speaker 9 Dolphins, Packers.

Speaker 1 That is also mine. 49.5.

Speaker 10 49.5 is also mine.

Speaker 1 Okay. I just basically, my entire entire thought process there was

Speaker 1 where the weather, what? Oh. Oh, never mind, never mind, never mind, never mind.
I was like, where's the weather going to be not as terrible as everywhere else? What was that? Was that

Speaker 1 I thought the exact same thing. Yeah, the same thing.

Speaker 10 At least impacted games.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could go a dome. I don't really love the Giants Vikings game.
But yeah, I was like, fuck it. Let's just find a game that there probably won't be that bad a weather.

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 2 On that note, I did Lions at Panthers. It's going to be cold in Charlotte.
Not super cold.

Speaker 1 43.5.

Speaker 2 Yep. Jared Goff has never won a cold game.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 2 I know. And I think this is the week that he does it.
I think Jared's slowly become like a Detroit guy.

Speaker 2 I think now he's fully, he's morphed into being a Detroiter, or whatever they call themselves. You know, the Lions? He is eight-mile road.

Speaker 1 The Lions have covered seven straight games. And I misspoke when I said the stat about his overall record.
So I looked it back up. It's under McVay and Campbell.

Speaker 1 Jared Goff is 55, 38, and 2 against the spread.

Speaker 1 Pretty damn good. Pretty good, Jared.
And then 0-7 with Jim Fossil or Jeff Fisherman.

Speaker 2 Jared Goff has made America money. Yes.
We appreciate that, Jared. But yeah, I think it's not going to be that cold.

Speaker 1 It's not that cold.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I think this is like a good test for Jared to see, like, okay, how much Detroit has really gotten into your blood system over the last couple of years.
Can you win a 32-degree game?

Speaker 1 Yes, I like that. Okay, Billy, I have the Dolphins and the Packers, so I'm doubling up on that game.

Speaker 8 I have the Niners Commanders over 38.

Speaker 1 PFT, I have a question for you. Over 38 in that game.

Speaker 1 It feels like Carson Wentz

Speaker 1 might play at some point. Okay,

Speaker 2 I saw the bottom line ticker where Ron Rivera is saying, we're not going to go back to Carson yet. Am I fucking insane? Why would you go back to Carson fucking Wentz? We've got Taylor Heineke.

Speaker 2 He's not bad. Taylor Heineke's been playing pretty good overall.
Why is it even a question that we're going back to Carson Wentz? Whose idea was that?

Speaker 2 Is Ron Rivera actually thinking about doing that? Well, I think journalists ask him that.

Speaker 1 And I also think if you look at the Sunday night game, and you guys got screwed, NFL rigged. Yeah.
Taylor Heineke did have a couple Carson Wentz turnovers that's like maybe

Speaker 1 we could just put Carson in. He doesn't do that.
No, no. But he will.
No, yeah, he absolutely will.

Speaker 2 Taylor Heineke has some just trying to make a play plays. Yeah.
Carson Wentz has some, oh, fuck, I've got anxiety. I'm going to fumble the ball backwards plays.

Speaker 1 I also have a little bone to pick with Taylor Heineke. He is our guy.
We rep him. I don't want to see Carson Wentz ever again on a football field.

Speaker 2 On my television. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you know, so everyone knows that Taylor Heineke, after he beats a team, he buys a pair of Jordans in that team's color?

Speaker 1 Did you know that Taylor Heineke,

Speaker 1 if he wins a game and he plays 60% of the snaps, he gets $125,000? Yeah. He should buy way more shoes than that.

Speaker 2 No, it's a nice little, it's a commemorative trophy. That's, yeah, the thing.

Speaker 1 But $125,000 and only one pair of shoes, like, I buy a lot of shoes.

Speaker 2 Taylor, his contract is very favorable towards what's happened to him this year. And I'm rooting for him.
I want him to get paid. I want him to stick around for a while.
I like Taylor Heineke.

Speaker 2 You're right. Thank you for bringing up NFL rigged.
We should have won that game based on expected points, which is the metric that I'm choosing to track this week.

Speaker 2 You know how they have that in FIFA, like expected goals? Yeah, yeah. It's the most made-up thing of all time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But on expected points, the Commanders win that game like 90% of the time against the Giants last week. We had had some unfortunate turnovers.

Speaker 1 We should, by the way,

Speaker 1 we should create a Twitter account, Billy,

Speaker 1 create a Twitter account, PMT expected points, and we'll just tweet fake stats after every game.

Speaker 2 Based off vibes from the game.

Speaker 1 Actually, just make it PMT analytics, and then we all have access.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because that would be very good if, like, you know, when the Cowboys beat the Colts 50-21, if we just tweeted expected points, Colts 35, Cowboys 14. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 And just get people very upset.

Speaker 2 Expected points is my favorite stat in soccer by far. and it needs to come to the NFL.
I'm concerned about the Kyle Shanahan revenge game factor in this because

Speaker 2 it feels like the Commanders have lost to the sons of former head coaches of their franchise more than any other team. So you've got Kyle Shanahan that's beaten the Commanders several times.

Speaker 2 You've got Scott Turner, did it for a while in Carolina. You've got Brian Schottenheimer and then Deuce Gruden, kind of.
So in terms of our former coaches' sons, we have a very bad track record.

Speaker 1 I also just nerdstat for you, and this is more credit to us because we said that Christian McCaffrey in Kyle Shannon's offense would be fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 Weeks one through nine, the Niners without McCaffrey were ninth in DVOA pass, 25th in run. Since he's come there, they're first DVOA in pass, eighth in run.
So he's just made them considerably better.

Speaker 1 So credit to us. We were the ones who actually said that would be a cool trade.

Speaker 1 So just pat ourselves on the back. Yeah, we nailed that one.

Speaker 10 Speaking of vibes, that Commander's Pro Bowl video was very cool.

Speaker 1 It was awesome.

Speaker 2 Tressway. Legend.

Speaker 1 Yeah, very cool. Ron Rivera.

Speaker 2 See, Ron Rivera is a guy that, like, he's a good human being. Sometimes he frustrates me as a head coach, but he's a good guy, so it's very hard for me to say anything negative about him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Except if he does start Carson Wentz,

Speaker 2 fuck him.

Speaker 2 I'm out on Ron Rivera. See a bitch.
See a bitch. You're not that good of a guy.
Yeah. You're not that guy, pal.
Nope. Sorry.

Speaker 8 My reasoning on this is I just think the 49ers put up 38 points on the commanders

Speaker 1 they're gonna put it up yeah we're just like trying to talk taylor heineke up and billy's like yeah final score uh niners 38 commanders two yeah no but the thing what's worse getting 38 put on you or getting 38 hung on you

Speaker 1 No, because I'd say hung. I think

Speaker 2 they hung 38 on the commanders.

Speaker 8 Yeah, they're going to put 38 on the commanders and then Heineke is going to put up a couple. So even if they don't, it's still going over 38.

Speaker 2 Okay, so the 49ers are going to put up 38 on the commanders and Heineke is going to hang 14 on the 49ers. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Okay, got it.

Speaker 2 I'll take that. That actually translates in my expected points metrics to Commanders 41,

Speaker 2 49ers 34. So we win that unexpected points.

Speaker 8 Nice.

Speaker 2 Yeah, losing Debo is only just getting Kittle the ball, boy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, shout out to George Kittle, Pro Bowl. Yeah.
Deserved.

Speaker 1 Jake. Yeah.

Speaker 10 So I'm on the Green Bay, Miami game at over 49.5.

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Speaker 1 Are you going to go to the game?

Speaker 10 I don't have plans to. My dad's birthday is actually on Christmas then.
We don't celebrate Christmas. Okay.

Speaker 1 So I'm probably. So you should go.
Maybe I'll go with him. Yeah.
We'll see.

Speaker 2 That's awesome if you're a Jewish person and your birthday's on Christmas. You get to celebrate anyways.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You should go with him.
Bring him.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'll talk to him.
See if he's interested. Throw some shit at the Packers.
I will buy you anything you want to throw at them. Yeah.
Pipe bomb? No problem.

Speaker 1 All right. Unders.
Yeah, unders.

Speaker 1 My under is the Bucks Cardinals.

Speaker 1 I'm also on the Bucks Cardinals. Fuck you, bro.

Speaker 1 40 and a half. So I'm rooting for that.
Over.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Trace McSorley versus Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 Big time close your eyes game.

Speaker 1 Oh, that game's going to suck. I don't really want to lose that game.
This is a worst case scenario.

Speaker 8 No, but we're going to end up watching it. You know why?

Speaker 2 Because it's football. Because Trace McSorley.

Speaker 1 Trace McSorley's going to be.

Speaker 2 Trace McSorley sucks.

Speaker 1 He'll be playing in the XFL in no time. Tom Brady also sucks.
The Bugs are terrible. Disrespectful of the boy.

Speaker 1 Wow, he really flipped. That Bucks Bengals game broke you.
Last week. Last week broke you.
It broke you. Yeah, broke you.
Both the four o'clock games, I have not really recovered from

Speaker 1 either one of them.

Speaker 1 Your entire thought process going into this weekend is just based off of what happened at the four o'clock games. Well, his worldview has been shattered.
And whether it isn't real.

Speaker 2 Your worldview has been shattered because you've operated your entire life knowing that the Patriots are the best coach team in the NFL that doesn't make dumb mistakes and that Tom Brady is Mr.

Speaker 2 Second Half.

Speaker 1 And then, wow,

Speaker 2 your paradigm just got flipped upside down. The whole world.

Speaker 8 Prediction: it's going to be six, seven bucks. Tracy McSoy is going to have a late-game touchdown.

Speaker 1 Now you already just.

Speaker 10 You don't know ball if you're saying 6-7.

Speaker 1 6-7.

Speaker 1 6-7-6.

Speaker 1 6-7. No, I mean, are the Bucks winning or losing in this?

Speaker 8 No, they're going to win.

Speaker 1 But wait, are they down?

Speaker 8 They're down by one.

Speaker 1 6-7. Right.

Speaker 1 Who is 6? The Bucks.

Speaker 2 So it's 7-6.

Speaker 1 No, it's 7-6.

Speaker 2 Serving 7. 7-6.

Speaker 2 Cardinals. Listen to me.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 No, it is 7-6.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Bucks are winning.

Speaker 1 Wait. Cardinals score.
No, that's not what you. All right.
All right.

Speaker 2 Lip Billy Cook. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay, so what's the score now?

Speaker 8 Cardinals score.

Speaker 1 It is. How? It is safety.

Speaker 8 They get seven points. Did they go for two?

Speaker 1 Oh, they get seven. So it's now 7-13 Bucs.

Speaker 8 No, now it's 13-7 Cardinals

Speaker 1 with a minute.

Speaker 2 Why didn't they go for two?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Trying to go for seven.
They failed? Did they fail? They failed. Okay, so then it's 12.
Okay.

Speaker 1 No ability.

Speaker 1 I know, Ball.

Speaker 2 I know, ball.

Speaker 1 All I want to say is Tom Brady's going to win

Speaker 8 in a last-second drive and beat Trace McSorley. But we're all going to think Trace McSorley is about to beat Tom Brady, and we're all going to tune into the game.

Speaker 2 So it's going to be 14-13.

Speaker 1 Right. I'll bet you $100 what you just said does not happen.

Speaker 8 How about like

Speaker 8 $55?

Speaker 1 Billy,

Speaker 2 I will give you $10,000 if that's what happens in this game.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Exactly.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Wait, you have to decide right now.
Did they go for the two and not get it?

Speaker 8 I'm going to go. Okay, actually, real quick, it's going to be

Speaker 8 17.

Speaker 8 What?

Speaker 1 Wait, no, you need to change this.

Speaker 1 No, all right. 17

Speaker 1 deals on $10,000 conversation. I was about to match.

Speaker 8 Okay, I'll do the $10,000 bet. All right, so whatever, whatever.

Speaker 1 I'm matching. I'll give you, it would be $20,000, but exactly this has to happen.
The Bucs have to be winning 7-6 in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 The Cardinals drive, score, don't get the two-point conversion.

Speaker 1 Don't get the two-point conversion. It is now 12-7.
Tom Brady goes, drives, scores. They win 14-12.
Or Billy,

Speaker 8 do they kick the extra point if time's expired?

Speaker 2 It doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 You decide the final score. Yeah, they would go for two.

Speaker 1 No, no, they're not.

Speaker 8 You could go up 13 or 14 bucks. Or 15.
It depends if they kick the extra point.

Speaker 2 Why would they go for two?

Speaker 1 It's 13-12. Why would you go to the next one? Because when time expires.
Oh, it's literally a last second. Yeah, it's last second.

Speaker 2 So what if there's two seconds left?

Speaker 8 It depends if they let them kick the extra point.

Speaker 1 There's two seconds left. No, they have to

Speaker 1 have to kick that. You have to.

Speaker 8 Okay, so then 14.

Speaker 1 14, 12.

Speaker 1 You don't have to any?

Speaker 8 The Raiders just didn't.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, that was overtime. No, it wasn't.
No, they were trying to go to overtime. Right, right.
I think they changed the rule recently.

Speaker 1 They don't make it.

Speaker 1 What if there's two seconds left?

Speaker 10 They brought the Packers back out for the replacement refs game. Remember that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they used to make you have two seconds left. They did change it because it screwed gambling up.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I want the option.

Speaker 8 See, I know ball.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. I know ball.

Speaker 8 I want the option of 13 or 14, depending on if they can't reach a point.

Speaker 2 It's the Christmas spirit.

Speaker 11 They would go for two.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're an idiot for not saying.

Speaker 2 Billy, because.

Speaker 1 Is it going to be up one, two, or three? Who are you saying is going to go for two? It's the dumbest part of the team that just scored at the end of the game.

Speaker 1 And it should be the most abundable part of it. Yeah, too.

Speaker 2 Billy, it's.

Speaker 1 13-12, dude. You got to go for two.

Speaker 2 Because it's the Christmas spirit, I'll let you have 14 or 15.

Speaker 1 Right. But not 13.
Not 13.

Speaker 2 They got to make something.

Speaker 8 And what happens if it ends up being 13?

Speaker 1 You lose.

Speaker 1 I win. You do not win.
No, wait.

Speaker 2 I said 14 or 15. Right.
So you can have 14 or 15. Or if you want, you can have 12 or 13.
Your choice. I'll give you either one of those two.

Speaker 1 And I will match.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 8 I'm going to go 14th.

Speaker 1 14 or 15. Or 15th.

Speaker 2 Okay. 14 or 15.

Speaker 1 To 12.

Speaker 2 Bucs beat the Cardinals.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 For $20,000. Yes.

Speaker 1 But it also has to happen exactly that way. Like, it can't be that the Bucs are winning 14-0 all game, and then the Cardinals come back and score a couple touchdowns.
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 It has to be exactly that way. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 2 That was a big waste of time.

Speaker 1 Just cut all that.

Speaker 1 Okay. Where are we? Who's on?

Speaker 1 Max. I think me, yeah.

Speaker 1 That was even Billy's pick. No, it was Billy's pick, too.
Oh, okay. He doubled up with things.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's cute.

Speaker 9 I am am Lions Panthers under whatever that number is.

Speaker 1 44 and a half. Yep.
Yeah. 43 and a half.
43 and a half. That's against PFT.

Speaker 1 That's a big one.

Speaker 2 It is a big one, Max.

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 you're going against your guy, Jared, huh? You don't think you can score in the cold?

Speaker 9 No,

Speaker 9 I just think it's going to be a nice dog fight. Dogfight of a win.
Jared's going to pull it out at the end, but it'll be a little less scoring than usual.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 PFT?

Speaker 2 Under? My under, I'm going Giants Vikings under.

Speaker 2 It's a big under.

Speaker 2 It was it, 48?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 48.5. The Giants.
48. 48.
48. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I think that Kirk's been improving against the Blitz, and that's all that the Giants do. He's still worse against the Blitz than he is when you don't Blitz him, but the Giants,

Speaker 2 they've gotten a little bit of a luxury that's emerged the last few weeks, which is Kayvon Thibodeau is a fucking monster. So

Speaker 2 they might not even have to blitz as much as they have in the past. But if they get pressure on Kirk, I think they can keep it.
They've got to be tired, too.

Speaker 2 The Vikings just have to be tired from all that running on offense in the second half. That's true.
It's a lot of running.

Speaker 1 We should have Dalvin Cook and our Mount Rushmore because the Giants' defense gives up big explosive runs. So we should definitely include him.

Speaker 1 Okay, my under, this game stinks. Titans, Texans, 36.

Speaker 1 Ryan Tannehill is very likely out for the season. It is Malik Willis time.

Speaker 1 Malik Willis has started two games. His combined stats in those two games is 11 for 26 for 133 yards and one interception.
That's two games worth of stats.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to judge him forever based on this season, but I can say right now he sucks.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's bad.

Speaker 1 He sucks right now.

Speaker 2 Now, Titans fans, I would like, I think we do this every year. I'd like to acknowledge the Titans as being the most injured team in the NFL this year.
Yes. So you have that.

Speaker 2 You're probably, maybe going to win the division,

Speaker 2 and you're doing it with like half of a roster. So congratulations.
That's something to hang your hat on. Derrick Henry, again, against the Texans, he averages like 200 yards a game.
Kills him. So

Speaker 2 let's just appreciate Derrick Henry this week. Yes.
It's going to be a Derrick Henry game.

Speaker 1 It's the first four-game losing streak for Mike Varables, a head coach.

Speaker 2 The Texans might be a live dog, Hank.

Speaker 1 Just going to say that.

Speaker 2 They might be.

Speaker 1 It's Malik Willis.

Speaker 2 Texans, I don't think they have Pierce, right? No. They've got the two-headed monsters, Briscoll, and Lucas is good.

Speaker 1 And Mills.

Speaker 1 You said that on Sunday, and why?

Speaker 1 Did you hear

Speaker 1 11 for 26, 133 yards in an interception? That's two games combined.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but remember him coming out of high school? Yeah.

Speaker 2 He looked good in the preseason, too.

Speaker 1 He might have been good in the preceding time. He does being good, but he's not good right now.

Speaker 2 Let's remember the preseason, though. That's true.

Speaker 1 He's got the tools. Yeah.
All right. Yeah, this game is ugly.
No, I think it's Seahawks, Eagles.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Birds. Seahawks plus 10.

Speaker 2 Bird Alert.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 1 That's spicy. That's real.

Speaker 1 There's

Speaker 1 0.0% chance you win. 0.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I love that. I love that.
Clip that. Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. Go ahead, Billy.
Your favorite under?

Speaker 1 49ers. Oh, yeah, 49ers.
No. Cards buck.
Cardinals, yeah.

Speaker 10 I'm with you, big cot. Houston, Tennessee, under 36.

Speaker 1 Okay. So that's week 16.
Yeah. All right.
Games we didn't talk about.

Speaker 1 Monday Night Football.

Speaker 1 That's Chargers-Colts, which I'm very...

Speaker 1 I think I might have to take the Colts just because the Chargers have to find a way to screw themselves over. Doesn't it feel like the perfect time?

Speaker 2 Now would be the right time for the Chargers to blow it for their fan base, yes.

Speaker 1 We have Falcons-Ravens, which is going to suck. I think Tyler Huntley might not play, so we might be back to Anthony Brown.
Oh, really? Sammy Watkins signed with the Ravens.

Speaker 2 Oh, God. He's an occult.

Speaker 1 That's cool.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, he's a big-time cult guy.

Speaker 1 Desmond Ritter versus possibly Anthony Brown. That's a terrible, terrible guy.

Speaker 2 I actually respect the hell out of the Baltimore Ravens for just never getting any good wide receivers. Yeah.
For just never having them. It's like they...

Speaker 2 They know that that's not part of their culture in Baltimore to have a passing attack.

Speaker 2 So they've remained committed to having by far the worst receiving court in the league for probably the last like 12 years.

Speaker 2 You can go back, like, who are the best receivers to ever play in Baltimore?

Speaker 1 You'd say probably Hollywood Brown, Hollywood Brown, Steve Smith.

Speaker 2 Steve Smith, he was pretty good.

Speaker 10 Torrey Smith was good.

Speaker 2 Aquan Bolden.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Aquan Bolden.

Speaker 2 Torrey Smith was pretty good.

Speaker 1 That's Mike Wallace.

Speaker 2 Did Michael Wallace play there? He was fast.

Speaker 10 And Mark Andrews, he's not having a great year, but he's really good.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 2 the Ravens do tight ends. They've always had a good tight end.
But

Speaker 2 they just remain so, so steadfast, and we're never going to throw the the fucking ball.

Speaker 1 Run the damn ball. It is pretty insane.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, that game's going to suck. I just looked it up.
Tyler Huntley

Speaker 1 was limited in practice on Wednesday with shoulder tendonitis. So, it looks like he might play, but either way, that game stinks.

Speaker 1 I think that's all.

Speaker 2 It's never a good sign when your backup quarterback has a repetitive use injury. Yes.
Like a shoulder tendonitis that's just going to linger for the rest of his career.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And people are very mad at Greg Roman for not running the ball more last week.
Do you see the, I can't remember who showed up to the facility, but it was just papered with fire Greg Roman. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Little pieces of paper that said it all over in front of the facility. So

Speaker 2 that's just classic NFL fandom right there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, you got to have a balance.

Speaker 2 You got to have balanced attack. Greg Roman is an awesome offensive coordinator.
I think most teams that have a running quarterback would love to have him on the staff.

Speaker 2 But yeah,

Speaker 2 it's weird when the Baltimore Ravens rely on trying to do a passing attack when they don't have a quarterback quarterback that can throw it or a wide receiver that can catch it.

Speaker 1 I just want Lamar to come back because the Ravens are an all-time bummer team when Lamar's not playing. Like just a bummer-bummer team.

Speaker 1 That's all the games. That's all the games.
So week 16.

Speaker 2 Oh, also, big fuck you to Roger Goodell for not allowing the boy Will Compton to play in the NFL this year.

Speaker 2 That became official yesterday. Year 11 is starting to load right now.
We're on to year 11.

Speaker 1 Some people were saying that Will Compton was scared and didn't want to play. I'm here to tell you right now that is not true.

Speaker 2 I also don't know if you can have a year 11 if you don't actually play.

Speaker 1 No, yes, you counter it. Yeah.
Yeah. Year 11.
Roll over minutes.

Speaker 2 Roll over years. We're on to year 11.

Speaker 1 So if he plays and like, if he doesn't play for the next 10 years and then comes back, that would be like year 21. That's how it counts.
Yeah. So year 11, loading.

Speaker 1 Please, let's sign the boy. He was ready to go.

Speaker 2 Yeah, some are saying that he was going to, he was being brought in as a mercenary to knock Tom Brady out of the playoffs in the last week, and Roger Goodell could not have that.

Speaker 1 And people also were saying online that Will looked a little fat and had love handles, and that's why he's not playing. That's also not true.

Speaker 2 Also very unfamiliar.

Speaker 1 Also not true.

Speaker 2 Also, they were saying that he was going to rig the games because he's so good at gambling. Right.

Speaker 1 And that's all he's doing. Not true right now.

Speaker 2 Also not true.

Speaker 1 That's not true.

Speaker 1 There was also some words that he didn't want to go back into a locker room after

Speaker 1 getting drunk and taking off his pants in the yak and everyone would make fun of him for maybe a lack of something. That's not true either.

Speaker 2 He's also very famous famous for, well, I don't want to get into the bad tweets that he's got in the past. You guys can find those.

Speaker 1 Right, but that's not true.

Speaker 2 Those are families.

Speaker 1 Has nothing to do with it. Has nothing to do with it.
Will Compton wanted to play, and we wanted him to play. We were all always behind him.
And his tweets were fine. And his tweets were totally fine.

Speaker 1 Except that one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. We're going to do Mount Rushmore.
What do we got? So I'll go Dalvin. I'll go Derek.
Okay.

Speaker 1 It's low odds right now. We've got to add Justin Fields.
Okay, Justin Fields. And Alan, Josh Allen.
I love that. Yeah.
I love that. Okay.
I love that Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 Let's do fantasy Dabos. We're doing Fantasy Dabos.

Speaker 1 Dank.

Speaker 1 It's a tough one to follow up with Fantasy French voice. Dabbo.

Speaker 1 Don't. Yo.

Speaker 1 What up, Dabo? I don't, yeah.

Speaker 1 Dabo. Hey, yo, Dabo.
What up, Dabo?

Speaker 1 Well, he started him. We wanted to have PFT start.
He was the one who came up with fantasy dabbos. This is Travis Hunter.

Speaker 2 He's officially a buff.

Speaker 1 Wait, what the?

Speaker 1 Listen to this egg dog.

Speaker 1 Egg dog's terrible.

Speaker 2 Do you know who Dabo Swinney is?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Billing.

Speaker 1 God. Dabo.
God, my sleepers is

Speaker 1 Pontius Pilot.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Not Easter.

Speaker 1 Maybe we should recalibrate this. Edelman might be right.
No, no, no. I love it.

Speaker 1 All right. No, I do too, but go ahead, Pinty.

Speaker 1 You got to pick us up.

Speaker 2 I I was just going to say, hey, y'all, it's Dabo Swinney.

Speaker 1 Everyone take a knee.

Speaker 2 Hey, double.

Speaker 2 I'm starting Players-Only meetings this week. Starting them.
The Last Supper, the original Players-Only Meeting. God bless.
Which one of y'all, Judas, here? Raise your hand.

Speaker 2 I'm sitting, going for a walk with your cousins over the holiday season. Sitting at See right over there, Henry, where there was one set of footprints?

Speaker 2 That's when Jesus dipped out on y'all because marijuana is still scheduled one narcotic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, devil's lettuce.

Speaker 2 My sleeper is Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson, former player.

Speaker 2 great guy good kid good kid this is a good matchup for him this is a good matchup for him get him on the hands team that's what we said got to keep that man in pocket young man he's my sleeper all right uh

Speaker 1 hey boys hey what's up dab hey it's dabbo here hey dab uh my stardom is uh salt bay that that some people were saying uh what the he double hockey sticks is this guy doing out here on the field uh let's just remember that everyone makes mistakes and we can redeem everyone so salt bay you are redeemed.

Speaker 1 My sitim is Tom Izzo. Tom Izzo getting upset in his little ugly sweater, his elf costume.
That seemed like some misplaced anger.

Speaker 2 Tom Izzo, maybe spend some more time with your family. Using some real hot language on the court.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe spend some more time with your family. Maybe don't have that type of anger, especially when you're wearing God's sweater, the little elf.
And my sleeper,

Speaker 1 I don't even have a sleeper. That's great.
Yeah, I forgot to put down a sleeper.

Speaker 2 You know why? Because you got to stay woke this time. My sleeper is.

Speaker 1 You got to go recruit. My sleeper is Christmas.
It's a great holiday. You sleep, and then you wake up in this presence.

Speaker 2 We're saying it again. It literally means more.

Speaker 1 It's the Lord Christ. Yeah, exactly.
That's good. That's true there, Dabo.

Speaker 2 It's Jeez Us, not Jeez, y'all. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hey, boys, it's Dabo.

Speaker 8 And my stardom is stored.

Speaker 1 Of course trust.

Speaker 8 And my stardom. And my stardom is Drew and Will Swinney on special teams.
Oh, great.

Speaker 8 Please don't kick to them.

Speaker 1 Great players, too. Great.

Speaker 8 Great to pull them, and then the mother will get angry at me.

Speaker 2 Great genetics. My sitem is Satan, who has come to college football in the form of NIL.

Speaker 8 And it's corrupting the players.

Speaker 1 And we're thinking about more of me and not of the team.

Speaker 8 And my sleeper is Sweet Baby Jesus in a Manger.

Speaker 2 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 2 The original victory formation. I love it.

Speaker 10 Bonus stardom that might be worth talking about.

Speaker 10 YouTube TV.

Speaker 1 Big news. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right, this sucks for dads. I'm just going to stay on the table for dads.
I'm already dreading having to set up my dad's television every single week.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take it next year. So, it's all YouTube TV? So, is it going to just be behind all the time?

Speaker 10 That's the thing. It might be a delay.
I don't know how delayed Amazon is right now.

Speaker 1 Okay. I don't know.

Speaker 2 And it depends on the quality of your stream, too. So, Twitter next year is going to be a minefield.

Speaker 2 During week one, it's going to be some people ahead, but it's not going to be uniform, I don't think.

Speaker 2 There are going to be some people that are like five seconds ahead, some people that are like 70 seconds behind, depending on your connection.

Speaker 2 connection god knows what bars are going to do like because bar bar owners and managers don't know how to use youtube does direct tv not have it anymore at all i don't believe so

Speaker 1 i wonder if that means there's only going to be one red zone i don't know wow oh yeah i don't know how is this gonna work a lot of questions i mean the the only plus side i can see is not having direct tv anymore like we don't have to worry about a storm taking out uh all our tv also direct tv just sucks dick yeah youtube tv is the best streaming service though is it and i I actually, I think this is going to be the death of old man takes.

Speaker 8 What do you mean?

Speaker 8 Because if they're not watching, we're going to have no access to the casual old guy who isn't really like persistently into football, but who just watches it every once in a while and just gives the old man takes.

Speaker 1 Well, they'll still be on TV, the games.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the local games.

Speaker 1 The local games will still be on TV.

Speaker 1 But in order to get...

Speaker 2 like out-of-market games, you're going to have to get YouTube.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 if you live in Dallas, you can still watch the Cowboys on TV.

Speaker 2 So I don't know if it's possible to do this yet, but what we've been building towards feels like the ability to get just like a small package of, let's say, me, I live in New York City.

Speaker 2 I want to watch the Commanders every weekend, get a Sunday ticket that's just the Commanders games.

Speaker 2 I know there's reasons behind like how much money is split and shared amongst the franchises why that hasn't been able to be done in the past, but I feel like now is the time to do it.

Speaker 2 If you're making everybody go to streaming, and this is actually the one way to force dads to learn technology, finally, stuff they've been putting off for a long time.

Speaker 2 I'm talking about dads that refer to the computer as the email. You know, those sort of guys.
They're going to have to evolve, adapt, or die in this circumstance. Yes.

Speaker 2 I think we're going to see a lot of parents learning for the first time how to use the internet and getting really into YouTube and going down strange rabbit holes.

Speaker 1 It's going to be scary, but we'll help everyone.

Speaker 1 We will be the podcast that will help people through this. Yeah, big change.
All right.

Speaker 2 This does feel like the end of DirecTV as a whole, though, right?

Speaker 1 A little bit.

Speaker 2 Like, who out there is just getting DirecTV? Because it still does have

Speaker 1 a million channels, but yeah.

Speaker 2 You can get those channels everywhere now.

Speaker 1 Pac-12 Network, I still can't get Pac-12 Network. It's the dumbest thing ever.
Yeah. I bet two Pac-12 games last night.
Couldn't watch it. It's like, how is that? It's on Sling.

Speaker 10 We all get Sling, one of our partners.

Speaker 1 I knew that. Yeah.
I knew that. I totally knew that.
Okay, let's get to Tom Fernelli. Let's talk some college football.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our very good friend. You can find him on CBS Sports in the Cover 3 podcast, or you can follow him at Tom Fornelli on Twitter.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk some bowl games, maybe a little signing day.

Speaker 1 Tom, great to see you. Let's start with that.
Signing day, winners and losers, right off the rip. Who won? Who won signing day?

Speaker 6 Who won signing day? Let's see.

Speaker 6 The companies that cover it and Alabama. That's it.
Those are the only real winners. Oregon was a winner because they kept flipping a bunch of guys.

Speaker 6 The players are winners because now with NIL, these kids are all getting the bag right away, which is great for them. So, yeah, those are the winners.

Speaker 6 The television companies, the recruiting sites, Alabama, Oregon, and the players.

Speaker 2 Which player had the best name on signing day? Was it Rowdy Beers or was it Dude Person?

Speaker 6 I'm a Dude Person guy.

Speaker 6 Rowdy Beers is, he's at the FBS level. He ended up at Florida International, so I guess he's considered the better prospect, but I don't know.
It's a good name. FIU is not that great.

Speaker 6 Central Arkansas is a pretty good FCS program. And again, the kid's name is Dude Person.
So even if your

Speaker 6 substitute teacher comes in on the attendance roll call, you're still person dude. So it's like your identity is the same either way.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, that's very true. All right.
So let's talk some bowl games. We'll lead up to the big bowls.
Before that, what is your favorite bowl coming up in the next week and a half?

Speaker 1 And And why is it the Arizona Bowl with Ohio versus Wyoming?

Speaker 6 It's the Arizona Bowl because I'm a loyal person, and Ohio was a very good team to me this season. Like, they got off to a really crappy start, and the market just kind of

Speaker 6 wrote them off, did not catch on, did not realize that this was a team that had kind of turned a corner at the end of September and was playing much better than the numbers indicated.

Speaker 6 So, I caught on pretty early. I started betting Ohio probably in early October, and they won me a whole lot of money.

Speaker 6 Curtis Rourke will forever, I might, if I ever have a kid, I might name him Curtis Rourke. That's how much money I won thanks to him and the Bobcats this year.

Speaker 6 So I'm really psyched for them in that game. And I'm also a fan of Wyoming.
I mean, this is, it's a fun program. It's always very windy and laramy.

Speaker 6 So it's always been very profitable to bet unders for Wyoming home games. And like, you know, I was on Josh Allen before you guys were because I was watching Wyoming.
Of course, you guys were

Speaker 6 way ahead of the curve of him being great. I did not think he would be a very good NFL quarterback, but I saw him, you know, before you guys even knew he existed.
So I'm a big fan of Wyoming.

Speaker 6 So Ohio, Wyoming, I think, is an excellent matchup. I'm really looking forward to watching it.

Speaker 1 Wow, you just street credit us. You just tried to call us casual.

Speaker 2 Tom, I was actually watching Josh when he was in Juco.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right, so what other

Speaker 1 Juco stand BFT? Oh, yeah. No, I travel around.
I go coach to coach.

Speaker 2 I've got direct TV packages you don't even know about.

Speaker 2 They don't even tell people because they know most casual football fans can't even handle that much ball.

Speaker 6 That's a fact. How many people do you think would watch like a Juco red zone?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I would. Yeah, for sure.
Hell yeah. If there's football on, I'll put it on.
The fact they don't have red zone for college football Saturdays is the dumbest thing ever.

Speaker 1 I don't know why they don't have that.

Speaker 1 Okay, so besides the Barcelona Arizona bowl, which obviously we're a little biased, your favorite bowl before we get to the

Speaker 1 semifinal, because I know I saw you actually, if anyone wants to have a little explainer, Tom releases right as the bull season starts, he ranks all the bulls on excitement and what he's most excited for and what games are going to be the best matchups.

Speaker 1 So, what's the one that we should be looking out for that maybe people aren't paying attention to?

Speaker 6 Of the pre-big games, I would say the Alamo Bowl between Texas and Washington has a chance to be really fun and really stupid and really exciting because I didn't think Michael Pennix was going to be coming back to Washington.

Speaker 6 I thought that was a guy who was going to be entering the NFL draft, and there was a very high likelihood of him opting out of this game to get ready for that.

Speaker 6 But one of the nice benefits of this NIL era is you're able to keep some kids in school longer because maybe the money you can get for playing another year at college is more than you might be guaranteed if you're like a third, fourth, or fifth round draft pick in the NFL.

Speaker 6 So Michael Penix was convinced to come back to Washington, which is awesome because he is,

Speaker 6 he's not Josh Allen as far as total overall skill set as far as the size but as far as arm strength is concerned this kid might have a stronger arm than josh allen like he has thrown some passes that are just like when they they kind of get like the noise out of you when you see them live because you can't believe a human is able to throw a football that hard on a line like that i think that maybe sometimes he needs to work on some of the touch passes not everything has to be 100 miles an hour all the time but he's an excellent quarterback he's really exciting and that's a very fun offense to watch and then there's texas which has quinn youers who is a very highly rated quarterback himself, who was off to a very good start in that game against Alabama earlier this season before he got injured and broke his collarbone or

Speaker 6 the AC joint, whatever it was. He hurt his shoulder.
And he hasn't been quite the same since.

Speaker 6 But I'm hoping that the time off from the season ending, he's been able to get healthy, get ready for this bowl game.

Speaker 6 I think that's a tremendous quarterback battle between two very good offenses in a game that could feature a whole hell of a lot of points. And we've seen Alamo Bowles in the past get kind of crazy.

Speaker 6 So that's a game I'm really looking forward to watching. And another one.

Speaker 2 Wait, I have a question about that game just real quick. Sarkeesian, is there any actual bad blood that remains between him and Washington?

Speaker 6 Probably. There's probably like three or four Washington fans on a message board somewhere that are still really pissed off at him for leaving for USC.

Speaker 6 Like, I can't understand why you would ever leave us for USC. Like the way, I mean, look at how Oklahoma fans reacted to Lincoln Riley leaving for USC.

Speaker 6 And just, so yeah, it's, I'm definitely, there's got to be like some sort of bad blood somewhere.

Speaker 6 I don't know how much, but I think that, uh, honestly, if you're Washington, you could probably argue that you've been better off because Chris Peterson replaced Steve Sarkesian and did things that I don't think Sark would have ever done at Washington.

Speaker 1 That's, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you, you missed out on, on the bad Sark years, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a fact. All right, what was the other game you were going to say?

Speaker 6 The other one is the Sun Bowl between Pitt and UCLA. I, I promoed you guys' game.
I got to promo the CBS game too.

Speaker 6 UCLA and Pitt on CBS in beautiful El Paso with the mountains in the background.

Speaker 6 This is another game that could be pretty fun. Again, with all bowl games, you never know with opt-outs and transfers what you're to expect.

Speaker 6 But I think that this is a classic matchup of a team that loves to score points and loves offense in Chip Kelly and the Bruins versus a team that is fundamentally opposed to scoring points in Pat Narduzzi and the Panthers.

Speaker 6 And like, you see, the more points that Pitt scores, the more angry Pat Narduzi gets because, God damn it, he wants to win that game 10 to 7 and he can't believe he's being forced to score 38 points to win this game.

Speaker 6 But okay, fine. He'll do it if he has to.
I think that's a pretty good matchup. I think that could be an exciting game.

Speaker 1 I agree. I'm excited for that.
And I think there's, I've heard conflicting reports. It might, maybe DTR plays.
I hope he does because he is.

Speaker 6 I'm hoping he does.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for people who don't follow UCLA, DTR is one of the most exciting players in college football. It's basically either the most incredible play you've ever seen or it could be a complete disaster.

Speaker 6 And he's got a little Josh Allen in in him where he'll just run guys over at the quarterback position and he's just yeah he's just electric no matter what he's doing good or bad he reminds me kind of of trey young in that i mean he's bigger than trey and i think he's a little more physical than trey but like he just tries wild shit and if it works it's awesome and then sometimes it doesn't work but you don't really care when it doesn't work because you know he's going to try something else later that's going to work and it's going to be crazy so it's he's a really fun guy to watch yeah what about the mayo bull give me a mayo bull tip time i want to know who's going to get covered in mayonnaise by the end of this one well first of all i just want to give credit to both coaches for agreeing to the fact i don't know if you guys saw the announcement the mayo bull made the announcement that the winner of the game the winning head coach will take the mayo bath i'm hoping it's nc state because i just feel like dave doran

Speaker 6 with mayo would just he would be so angry even though he agreed to it like he would immediately regret the decision like he'd be like what the fuck was i thinking this is the dumbest fucking thing like shane beamer had it last year and he was really really into it.

Speaker 6 That's just a very Shane Beamer kind of thing, but I think Doran will regret it. So I'm 100% rooting for the Wolfpack.
It's just, I do not know who's going to be playing quarterback for them.

Speaker 6 They were down to like their fourth stringer towards the end of the season.

Speaker 6 I don't know what the situation will be going for them into the game, but I hope the Wolfpack win that one because I feel like if there's a chance of anybody getting punched for dumping mayo on a coach, it will be by Dave Doran.

Speaker 1 So off of that,

Speaker 1 Tom, you and I are kindred spirits in that we just love, love, love bowl season. We bet all the bowls.

Speaker 1 It's, you know, Tom will text me on a Saturday and it'll be like 35 bets, and I'll text him back and be like, I have 42 bets.

Speaker 1 It hasn't, for me, it's lost a tiny bit with all the opt-outs. I don't want to be that guy, but it's more just like I want to watch fun football.
I want to watch guys I watched all season.

Speaker 1 And then when we get to game day and there's a, you know, a quarterback or a big player opting out, it's like, well, this kind of sucks because I love bowl games.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Bowl season has become live betting for me mostly. Like, I will play some bets before,

Speaker 6 but it is definitely more of a vibe check now than it used to be where you want to see, like, we want to see how shit starts. You want to make sure the team that's playing the game cares.

Speaker 6 You want to make sure who's playing. Like you said, it might be a quarterback with the opt-outs.
It might be injuries that kind of crop up late that you don't expect.

Speaker 6 So, like, I love them and I am watching them all, but I understand where people are coming from when they say that, you know, it's just not as fun as it used to be because of the, you know, the opt-outs, the transfer portal the playoff has made these games a little less and you just don't see the full strength teams but it is very much a situation where we games start like i am on quit watch pretty much every time i'm watching a game because there is moment where you could see it in a team where they no longer care and as soon as you see it you just fire it on the spread you know fade them and you're going to win far more often than not because generally once a team quits and you can see it it's in the body language it's in the way that they start tackling like usc in the pac-12 championship game even though you like you could see that defense quit.

Speaker 6 They knew that they weren't going to be able to win the game because Caleb Williams couldn't move and they were not giving any effort into tackling.

Speaker 6 So you look at stuff like that and you could just pick it up and you just fire on it and you are going to win unless the other team does something incredibly stupid, which this is college football and part of the appeal of it is there's always a chance that somebody will do something incredibly stupid.

Speaker 1 Yep, agreed.

Speaker 2 What about the orange bowl, the orangest orange bowl that's ever been played? Tennessee, Clemson, which orange?

Speaker 2 Wait, just off the top of your head, like if you're thinking about which orange is better, I identify more with the volunteer orange.

Speaker 6 I think I look better in volunteer orange than I do in Clemson Orange. Like, it's not, I don't know, just my skin tone, I think it pops a little better.

Speaker 2 I've always said that about you. Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 6 Thank you.

Speaker 6 I think it would be hilarious if Tennessee came out in this game in its gray uniforms and Clemson came out wearing purple. I just, I'm kind of rooting for that to happen, but either

Speaker 2 let both teams play in their orange uniforms and just see what happens.

Speaker 6 Just a delightful shit show. Yeah, no, I think those are the only two real options that we should have.
In fact, we should start a petition.

Speaker 6 This is a hard game to figure out because Cade Klubnick is going to be the starting quarterback for Clemson.

Speaker 6 And I understand like Clemson fans were tired of DJU and Klevnik comes in at the end of the year and he plays well. The team wins a game.

Speaker 6 But I don't think the quarterback has been the problem for Clemson as much as the offense itself. has been the problem for Clemson.
So I don't know if you're going to see that big of a change.

Speaker 6 But on the other side, no no disrespect. Well, this is going to be disrespectful, I guess.
But Joe Milton is, you know, like there's a baseball pitcher.

Speaker 6 You'll see relievers who can throw 103 miles an hour, but they cannot find the strike zone and they do not have a changeup or a breaking ball. That is Joe Milton.

Speaker 6 Every single pass he throws is 1,000 miles per hour in a direction, not to a place, just in a direction. And you kind of have to cross your fingers and hope it goes to the right place.

Speaker 6 So it's going to be hard to trust Tennessee's offense here.

Speaker 6 I think Tennessee is the better team. I would probably take them in the points pregame, but I don't know.
I'm going to need to wait to see this one start.

Speaker 1 Joe Milton, I have always said, he is when you're playing Madden and you just press as hard as you can on the button. There's no touch.
None.

Speaker 2 I don't even think he could do touch if you asked him to do touch.

Speaker 1 His arm is insane.

Speaker 6 A guy could be running like a five-yard hitch route and he will fire that ball at them as hard as he fucking can.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 Tom, on the note of like which teams will quit, I don't, I'm looking at Alabama, Kansas State. There's no chance that Alabama's got any quit in them, right? Like Nick Saban,

Speaker 2 he will have like ran the quit out of teams by now, right?

Speaker 6 I am,

Speaker 6 this is an interesting thing to me because I had, I was convinced neither Bryce Young or Will Anderson were going to play in this game. I was like, all right, Alabama doesn't win the LCC.

Speaker 6 It's not going to the playoff. We're going to see opt-out after opt-out.
But credit to Young and Anderson because they are both playing in this game. They're both, they seem to be taking it seriously.

Speaker 6 Whether they play the whole game, I don't know,

Speaker 6 but it does make it interesting. And I think you're right.
It's hard to imagine a Nick Saban team quitting just because he'd be so angry at them and you don't want to get him angry because he's scary.

Speaker 2 I think he's also still got that thing in his back pocket where, like, draft season comes around, coaches call Nick Saban.

Speaker 2 Do you want me to say something good about you or say something bad about you?

Speaker 6 Although, to me, I don't think Nick Saban will ever say anything bad about any of his guys unless they're doing something, you know, genuinely bad people stuff.

Speaker 6 I don't think he would say that to him about a bowl game, but he might threaten them by saying it. Right.

Speaker 1 I just, yeah, I'm nervous always with Alabama in non-playoff bowl games, that Utah game, the Sugar Bowl they played, whatever it was, maybe a decade ago, where it's like, and Alabama always has the perfect out because if they don't win, they weren't trying.

Speaker 1 And they, you know, like, there's always a deflating aspect to Alabama season when they don't get to the college football playoff.

Speaker 6 And the other thing, too, about this Alabama team is, like, like there was the dumbass debate at the end of the year about whether a two-loss Alabama team.

Speaker 6 They were never getting into the playoff, no matter what had happened that final weekend of the season. But the thing about Alabama this year is it's just not that good.

Speaker 6 And I say that in the context of Alabama. It's one of the 10 best teams in the country.
But as compared to the Alabama teams that we're used to seeing, this team isn't very good.

Speaker 6 It's probably the worst Alabama team Sabans had in a decade or so.

Speaker 6 There's nobody at the receiver position. They took some swings on guys in the transfer portal.
None of them have worked out. That's really hindered Bryce Young.

Speaker 6 It's kind of given you an idea of how good Bryce Young actually is, that he was able to carry this team as far as he did, despite having no real receivers outside of Jameer Gibbs, which is his running back.

Speaker 6 Defensively, Will Anderson is a beast. There's a couple of other really good dudes on that defense, like Koolay McKinstry, which is also an amazing name.
But overall, they're just not that good.

Speaker 6 And this is a Kansas State team that I mean, it won the Big 12 and it didn't win it by accident.

Speaker 6 Like they probably beat TCU during the regular regular season if they weren't knocked down to their third string quarterback during that game.

Speaker 6 And then they come back and they beat TCU in the Big 12 championship. And you know, like you said, there's some question about how badly Alabama wants this game.

Speaker 6 And there's the built-in excuse of if they lose, well, they didn't want to be there anyway.

Speaker 6 You know, Kansas State wants this game because this is a chance to say we beat Alabama in a Sugar Bowl, which for Kansas State is not something that they get a lot of chances to do.

Speaker 6 And this could also serve kind of as a statement game for the Wildcats in that with Oklahoma and Texas leaving the Big 12,

Speaker 6 somebody's got to take over the crown of being the best program in the Big 12 right now. Kansas State, it just won the conference.
It's going to want to say, listen, man, we are that program.

Speaker 6 We are somebody who is going to be making a lot of noise in this conference in the future. You better get on board now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I was just looking it up. The last four times that Alabama's played in bowl games that were not college football playoffs, they're two and two.
They lost to Utah, which I mentioned.

Speaker 1 They lost to Oklahoma, and then they beat Michigan and Michigan State. So,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 I'm always nervous because it is like that aspect of Kansas State being like our basically careers get made if we beat Alabama in a poll game. Yeah, so Alabama.

Speaker 6 Alabama can beat the Big Ten whether it cares or not, but it can't beat anybody else.

Speaker 1 Right, right. Okay, let's talk about the college football playoff.
I want to start with the Ohio State Georgia game, and I want to throw out my theory, and I want to see where you land on this.

Speaker 1 A lot of people have been saying Georgia, maybe not the same team as last year. They're not.

Speaker 1 Georgia's team last year was insane because they point to Kentucky or Missoula or Kent State, these games where they kept teams, bad teams around. I see it as the flip side.
They knew that

Speaker 1 they're better than everyone. And when they do play the really good teams, Oregon, when they play Tennessee, when they played LSU, they absolutely put it on them.

Speaker 1 Which side do you land on in terms of this Georgia team? Do they have that switch that they've been able to flip for a few big games this year?

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah. No, that's exactly what's happened with this team.
They are not as good as last year because, like you said, last year's team was just a fucking juggernaut.

Speaker 6 I mean, everywhere you looked, it was an NFL team talent-wise. There was every single player that started on that team was an NFL player, except for Bennett.

Speaker 6 No offense, Stetson.

Speaker 1 He's going to come after you for that.

Speaker 6 Listen, I've been the biggest Stetson defender for the last couple of years. Like all my cover three podcast hosts have been shitting on him.
And I was like, dude, Stetson's really good.

Speaker 6 He's not, you know, a first-round pick, but he's a very good college quarterback. And that's the case.
I just don't know know if he's an NFL quarterback.

Speaker 2 It's also not his fault that his teammates are so good. And all he has to do is just like, I know,

Speaker 2 find one of his two incredible tight ends, give him the ball and let him score.

Speaker 6 It's like, go ask Tom Brady. Hey, Tom, would you wish you had shitty teammates or would you like to have good teammates? I mean,

Speaker 6 whatever. Anyway, but it's this Georgia team is still the best team in the country, I think, but you are dead on in that.

Speaker 6 There were a few years ago, like when Clemson was at the height of being Clemson, like when it was in the Deshaun Watson era and it was winning national titles still, you saw Dabo Sweeney and this team take an approach in conference play against some of the lesser opponents.

Speaker 6 They didn't care. They just wanted to win by one point and they were doing whatever they had to do to win the game.
And then they were kind of coasting.

Speaker 6 And then that way they were keeping themselves fresh and healthy to when they got to the playoff because they knew in the ACC, they were. far and away the best team in the conference.

Speaker 6 They were saving themselves for the big games. And when it got there, they would turn it on.

Speaker 6 Now, Georgia doesn't have that same kind of ability to just completely coast through the conference season because it is in the SEC.

Speaker 6 And even though the SEC was very down this year compared to most years, there's still some pretty good teams in it. But yeah, no, Georgia was playing with its food a lot.

Speaker 6 Like Georgia knew that at any point when it was playing Missouri, when it was playing Kent State, when it was playing these teams, as soon as we flip the switch, we'll be fine. We'll win this game.

Speaker 6 And then, like you saw in the Tennessee game, they just came out and absolutely destroyed them right from the jump and then took the entire second half off. Like they knew the game was wrapped up.

Speaker 6 We saw them do it to Alabama or we saw it do it in the SEC championship game against LSQ.

Speaker 6 So it's like anytime they, and then you go back to the beginning of the season, Oregon, big game start the season, crush them. Get to a rivalry game against Auburn, crush them.

Speaker 6 Anytime they had a big game early rivalry game, they flipped the switch and they destroyed teams. I think they're going to take this game seriously.

Speaker 6 I think that they are going to win, but I will say, uh-oh.

Speaker 6 I think that there's been, I like Georgia, but I do think that we've, there's been a large overreaction to Ohio State losing to Michigan.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 6 i think that ohio state suddenly sucks in the mind of a lot of people because they lost to michigan two years in a row and i get going into this matchup like ohio state has gotten beaten up by michigan the last years a very physical team oh state hasn't really been able to handle it so now you're facing georgia which is basically we saw what georgia did to michigan last year like it's right it's the same thing as michigan is but with far more talent across the board So I get that, but C.J.

Speaker 6 Stroud is still a very good player. They still have a bunch of NFL receivers, and we have seen Georgia struggle in the secondary when it goes up.

Speaker 6 If we go back to last season, when Alabama still had receivers in the regular season, that defense got exposed by Alabama. Bryce Young picked them apart.
C.J.

Speaker 6 Stroud and those receivers are talented enough to pick that secondary apart. The question is, is that offensive line strong enough to stand up to Jalen Carter and that defensive front?

Speaker 6 I don't think it is. I think Georgia wins this game a lot more often than it loses it, but I don't think this is going to be a blowout.

Speaker 6 I do think Ohio State is still a very good team that just lost to another very good team, and now it's suddenly being written off as a bad team in the eyes of many.

Speaker 6 I think the Buckeyes are still very good. They could win this game.

Speaker 2 Counterpoint, Tom, NCAA rigged, and they want to see Ohio State, Michigan. in the championship game.
Can you imagine the ratings that that game would do? See, that's why

Speaker 6 I thought they were going to put it in the semi.

Speaker 1 I did too.

Speaker 2 To make sure that they could get it in. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I mean, I listen, I started CFP and on, all right. I believe that most of this stuff is done for, you know, whatever, just to put the big brands in.
But I was wondering if that's what they would do.

Speaker 6 If they would put Ohio, like with TCU losing, they would quote unquote punish them by moving them down to four and leaving Ohio State at number three. So they can guarantee that they would get it.

Speaker 6 Because like the title game, that's going to get ratings no matter who's in it.

Speaker 6 It's the fucking title game, but you can really guarantee that in New Year's Eve, where the games, the ratings for those games have kind of suffered over the years, you could really get a bump if you put that thing in prime time.

Speaker 6 Ohio State, Michigan, you'd have 20 million people watching that on New Year's Eve.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I mean, but just imagine, though, a title game in Ohio State, Michigan. How many people are going to watch that?

Speaker 6 I would wonder if the, like, with the Southeast watch?

Speaker 1 I don't know if the SEC would watch. I think they would.
I don't know if they could watch no matter what. I don't know if some of them would take it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I think they would be like, no, I don't want to watch a big 10-title game.

Speaker 1 I think it wasn't real football.

Speaker 2 because they'd watch just to be like, Alabama would beat either one of these teams.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's just

Speaker 1 himself. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So for Ohio State, I get what you're saying. The thing that I just don't, I can't wrap my head around is

Speaker 1 Ohio State struggles with very physical teams. Georgia is Michigan on steroids.
Yeah, Georgia is Michigan with more NFL players. Like they, they, they will pound it down your throat.

Speaker 1 They'll use their big tight ends.

Speaker 1 Like, that's where I'm just like, I think Georgia is going to win this game and cover this spread because Ohio State has all the flash and they have a great team talent.

Speaker 1 But as a football team, when they have to step up to these guys, and they struggle a little with Notre Dame in the first game of the season, I just, I love Georgia in this game.

Speaker 6 I think, too.

Speaker 6 I don't think, like, Georgia's offense is very strong, very powerful. They have a very good offensive line.
They have very good tight ends.

Speaker 6 But, like, you saw in that game against Michigan, like, they were hitting shots. Like, Michigan was doing stuff it hadn't done.

Speaker 6 And you could argue that it was not really a kind of process that it was sustainable. Like they were hitting big plays, but they hadn't done it all year.
You could argue there was some luck to it.

Speaker 6 Can Georgia hit those same big plays on the Ohio State defense? I don't know.

Speaker 6 I think like, I think the Michigan win looked like far more of a blowout in the scoreboard than it really was if you watched the game closely.

Speaker 6 It was some plays that kind of really tilted things and it just got out of hand.

Speaker 6 So that's part of my theory where I think Ohio State is still a lot better than a a lot of people are giving it credit for, but they are playing what I believe to be the best team in the country.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I also have, I'm firmly in Jim Harbaugh's camp that Ryan Day was born on third and thought he hit a triple because he was put in the perfect spot by Urban Meyer.

Speaker 1 And Urban Meyer never, you know, I mean, Urban Meyer would just beat the brakes off of Jim Harbaugh every year. And then you see what happened in the last two years.
Like, how did this happen?

Speaker 1 Like, you had it all set up for you. It was turnkey.
And something has happened in the last two years that has diminished.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And I think this game's really important for Ryan Day.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 I don't think they have to win it, but I think if they get blown out after coming off to Michigan, like I've,

Speaker 6 I don't, I don't think most people outside of Ohio State and like Big Ten country realize that he's kind of on the hot seat now. Like,

Speaker 6 you can't lose to Michigan if you're the Ohio State coach, not anymore. Like, it's become so important.
Like, you have to win.

Speaker 6 Your three goals are to win the Big Ten or first beat Michigan, win the Big Ten, win national titles. Winning national titles is the third least important of those three things.

Speaker 6 Beating Michigan and winning the Big Ten are the two big ones. And he hasn't done either in the last couple of years.
And I think that he's going to go into next season.

Speaker 6 Like if they get blown out by this game, I think no matter what, but I think unless he wins the national title, he's going to go in the next season.

Speaker 6 There's going to be a lot of pressure on him to not only win the Big Ten, but, you know, beat Michigan and beat them soundly.

Speaker 6 Because even if you look at like the way Ohio State's recruiting class just finished up,

Speaker 6 they're kind of losing momentum here. It's not a very good thing right now.

Speaker 6 There's too many things that aren't going in the right direction for where Ohio State is supposed to be and where Ohio State wants to be. That I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 6 I just, it's, it's going to be an interesting situation to follow that I think more people need to start kind of keeping an eye on.

Speaker 1 And I'm definitely afraid that Luke Fickle, like, I'm hoping that if Ryan Day, it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out right now. Because like two years from now, then I might be in trouble.

Speaker 6 I think you'll be fine. I think Fickle will stay at Wisconsin and then Mike Vrabel will go to Ohio State.

Speaker 1 No, no chance.

Speaker 1 0.0% chance Mike Vrabel wants to recruit.

Speaker 6 No, I think Brian Hartline, I think there's a lot of guys that could go take that job at Ohio State if they get rid of Day. And again, I feel like now we're just being whatever.

Speaker 6 But if that happens, I think Fickle will stay at Wisconsin, honestly.

Speaker 1 Okay, good. Good.

Speaker 2 What about on the other side of that bracket? What about what is Harbaugh doing differently this year? Because he strikes me as a guy that

Speaker 2 if something doesn't work the year before, he'll like go overboard in one direction or find one thing that he focuses on he's like here's what we're going to concentrate on this year to make sure that we don't have a repeat of what happened last year so what what do you think harbaugh what's is there like a weird message he's giving his guys is there something specific he's doing differently this year that he wasn't doing last year yeah he's threatening that he's going to go interview for an nfl job on signing day if they don't win this game um

Speaker 6 i i don't know that there's a different message as much as i think that what jim has done that he's adapted to like i think he tried at first to adapt the offense Like, there was the criticism, and I was labeling, I was throwing some of it out there that like you'd seen Alabama and Nick Sabin make the change offensively, leaving that kind of rock fight style of we're just going to, you know, beat you to death with our defense to adding more RPO and spread principles to the offense.

Speaker 6 And I thought Michigan needed to do that. He tried to, and it really didn't work.
And then last year, they kind of went back to just being physical and it worked. I think where he's adapted.

Speaker 6 adapted is Michigan since Harbaugh has been there is never like a top three kind of recruiting team. It's never really in the top five.
It's typically top 10, maybe sometimes in the top 20.

Speaker 6 They get the talent that they want, and they've done a very good job of developing high school talent.

Speaker 6 What's changed, I think, is they've been a little more aggressive with transfers, like figuring when they miss on a guy coming out of high school that's maybe not developing at the rate that they're expecting him to and is not ready, they are going into the transfer portal and they are getting guys in who are ready-made.

Speaker 6 Like Olu Oluwatimi came in, took over the center spot from Virginia, and he's been one of the best. I think he won the Remington.
He's been one of the best linemen in the country.

Speaker 6 He has been great for them all season long, has been a huge part offensively. I also think that he's going to J.J.
McCarthy.

Speaker 6 This is not a knock on Cade McNamara, who I think is a good quarterback and will probably be pretty good for Iowa next year.

Speaker 6 But McCarthy is more dynamic and gives them a little bit more options of what they can do on offense, which makes them harder to defend because even though they're going to be a run-first team, he's at least his legs give him the chance to run.

Speaker 6 So instead of playing 11 on 10 defensively, you have to play 11 on 11. That makes things more complicated.
So I think that that's where he's adopted.

Speaker 6 He's gotten more mobile quarterback, and Michigan is being a little more active in the transfer portal than they had been in recent years because Michigan had always kind of held the, you know, oh, we don't want to rely on transfers, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 6 You know, we're academics and all that kind of crap. I think Michigan is playing a little more ball.

Speaker 6 Now, they're not, they're not being as, they're not promoting it, but I think that's what's happening.

Speaker 6 Like, if you look right now at the transfer rankings for the current class, I think Michigan's ranked first with the guys that they're bringing in.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 2 Walk me through what happens. I like doing this thought experiment.

Speaker 2 TCU just made the championship game. What happened to get them there?

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 how did they beat Michigan? You're retroactively. How did they beat Michigan, in other words?

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, but it's better when you say like TCU is in the national championship game against Georgia. Got it.

Speaker 1 What happened?

Speaker 4 What happened?

Speaker 6 I was very confused there for a second.

Speaker 2 What happened, Tom?

Speaker 6 Oh, they scored more points than Michigan, and they moved on.

Speaker 6 This is defensively, Michigan has not had to face like Ohio State is the only real passing attack that they had to face that could kind of stretch them.

Speaker 6 And they overwhelmed Ohio State's offensive line and it really hurt them. And they kind of got them.

Speaker 6 They kind of got Ohio State in a place where it had to chase points instead of do what it wanted offensively. And that becomes much easier to defend when you do that.
If TCU hits some shots early.

Speaker 6 and gets ahead of Michigan and puts Michigan in the other seat where Michigan's got to be the team to try to catch up because this is a team that is still trying to be deliberate on offense and losing Blake Corum hurts.

Speaker 6 Now, Donovan Edwards, I think, is a very good player as well, and they're still going to be able to run the ball. But if you have to put more on J.J.
McCarthy's shoulders, that could be the problem.

Speaker 6 So I think for TCU, the key, if they want to pull off this upset and win this game and play for a national title, they have to get off to a quick start.

Speaker 6 They have to be winning at the end of the first quarter. They should probably be winning at halftime.

Speaker 6 They do not want to find themselves in a position to be chasing Michigan because if Michigan's able to just defensively pin its ears back and go get Max Duncan, who we saw just get the shit beaten out of him by Kansas State the entire Big 12 championship, I don't know how healthy he is for this game.

Speaker 6 You do not want to be in that position if you're the horned frogs. I don't know if Kendra Miller is going to be able to get find much running room against this Michigan defense.

Speaker 6 So they're going to need to hit some shots the same way that Michigan hits shots against Ohio State, big plays in the passing game, take a lead and just kind of put Michigan back on its, you know, on its heels.

Speaker 1 Counterpoint, TCU basically has been down in every game and they have alligator blood.

Speaker 1 Like, I'm taking TCU in this game just because they play close games and I'm giving them more credit for being as tested as you can be because the Big 12 was good this year and they ran the gauntlet.

Speaker 1 I know they had a couple injuries to the opposing quarterback that helped, but they just stay in games.

Speaker 6 But I could counter that by saying, well, there is no Michigan team in the Big 12. There's no like copycat of that really.

Speaker 6 But the most Michigan-esque team in the Big 12

Speaker 6 was Kansas State. And Kansas State would have probably beaten them twice if they had their quarterback for the entire first game.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right. Good counterpoint to my counterpoint.

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Speaker 1 Give us your one lock of the bowl season, and why is it Mississippi State because it's a dead coach game?

Speaker 1 Who are they playing?

Speaker 6 Illinois, I believe.

Speaker 1 Oh, shit. Oh, whoops.
So, will you concede this bowl game

Speaker 1 for Mike Leach?

Speaker 1 Wow. Tom Ferneli has just spat on Mike Leach's legacy.
Yes. That's gross.
That's gross.

Speaker 6 Sorry. Sorry.
Sorry, Mike.

Speaker 1 You're the only, only you and no Illini alum are rooting for Illinois in this game.

Speaker 6 I think some Illini alum will be rooting for Mississippi State, honestly, but I am not one of them. Go, Illini.
Beat the shit out of Mississippi State.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. Beat the shit out of.
Wow.

Speaker 2 I mean, wouldn't it be more of a touching tribute to his legacy if Mississippi State gets shut out and they can't score a single point?

Speaker 1 That's true. That's a good point.
Yeah, that's how you have to spin it. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I will say, I hope Illinois comes out first snap of the game, runs four verts, just as a touching tribute.

Speaker 1 I mean, Brett Bealem's brain would explode.

Speaker 6 Hey, Illinois's got more of that to its offense this year than I think most people realize.

Speaker 6 My favorite bet, honestly,

Speaker 6 the over in Tulane USC.

Speaker 1 Oh, yes.

Speaker 6 I mean, Caleb Williams,

Speaker 6 he should be healthy. The hamstrings should be better enough in this game, but Tulane, I do not think, like, defensively, they've been pretty good this year, but

Speaker 6 they haven't faced Caleb Williams. They haven't faced those receivers.
So I don't think they're going to get many stops. And on the flip side, we know USC is not going to get any stops.

Speaker 6 That defense is terrible, particularly against the run. Tulane's got a very strong run game.
I think that is going to be a back and forth tennis match. It is going to be very fun to watch.

Speaker 6 And the total, I I think last I saw was like 62, 61-ish somewhere in there. Way too low.
They're going to get in the 70s for this one.

Speaker 1 And Tom's an under guy, by the way. You're an under?

Speaker 1 He's a big underguy.

Speaker 2 Well, I mean, that's smart. That's probably why you're good at gaming.

Speaker 1 Right, right.

Speaker 2 What about Caleb Williams? Is he going to be pissed off enough at Tulane to have like, fuck you, Tulane painted on his nails before this game?

Speaker 6 Fuck Tula. Fuck Tula.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fuck Caleb Williams.

Speaker 1 Caleb Williams, is he going to get up for this game?

Speaker 6 I think so. I mean, I think coming off that loss, he's got, you know, something to prove.
He's won the Heisman. He's going to want to build some stuff going into next year.

Speaker 6 He's going to want to, you know, I think Caleb Williams is just that kind of guy. I think it doesn't really matter who he's facing.
He's going to be pumped up and ready to play.

Speaker 6 And it's going to be, again, the Trojans probably going to be pissed off that they blew the shot at the playoff and they might try to be taking it out on the green wave here.

Speaker 6 But the green wave are a very good team on offense who. getting a shot to beat USC.
And honestly, like the spread was only two points last I checked. I think that will catch a lot of people off guard.

Speaker 6 But because USC's USC's defense is so terrible and Tulane is able to run the ball so effectively, it's not out of question that Tulane can pull this game off. I think this is going to be a hell.

Speaker 6 This is going to be a really, really exciting and fun game.

Speaker 1 Agreed. Agreed.
All right, Tom, last thing I have. You have a rivalry with Hank.

Speaker 1 Hank has never gotten the lottery ball. I'm going to lately guess one.
Yeah, no, he's never gotten it. Right, Hank?

Speaker 1 Like, I feel like... No.
No. Wow.

Speaker 6 I feel like you just, do you even have to try? Like, I mean, you just have to name a number. How hard can it be?

Speaker 1 It's hard. It's very hard.
A hundred of them. It's very easy.
So I'm going to let you, no one else is going to guess. This is just yours.
What? Tom gets a chance.

Speaker 2 I should get another chance.

Speaker 1 No, you don't get another chance. What would your number?

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 2 You can pick it. If Tom says a number that you like the sound of, I'll let you take Tom's number two.

Speaker 1 So it counts.

Speaker 6 Hank, what number do you want to pick?

Speaker 2 No, no, Tom, you can't do that.

Speaker 6 I'm just not going to pick that number. Hank, what number do you want to pick?

Speaker 2 17.

Speaker 6 All right, three. Give me three.

Speaker 1 All right, I'll take three. Do you want three? Yep.
So we're just giving him one?

Speaker 2 Yeah, but I mean, it's Tom's number, but we'll let Hank ride.

Speaker 1 All right, this doesn't count. It does.
No, it counts.

Speaker 6 It's not the first time Hank has stolen something from me. Let's be real.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. I'm going to let this count.

Speaker 2 He's plagiarizing.

Speaker 1 All right, well, actually, it doesn't matter because, Tom, you will not. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

Speaker 1 oh, I didn't close the door. You broke the machine, Tom.
I didn't close the door.

Speaker 1 Are any of the balls crazy?

Speaker 1 Which last one is? Oh, We're all out. All right, we won't be doing this.
Sorry, Tom.

Speaker 1 That's a message from the gods. That statement today.
Thank you, fuck. Oh, that was awesome.

Speaker 2 Tom, before we let you go, this is very important.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 2 This is very, very important. Billy has to clean up the

Speaker 1 shaft with this.

Speaker 2 It's very, very important, Tom. So you are on the low man committee for the low man trophy for the top fullback in all of college football.
So we've got the finalists.

Speaker 2 We're going to announce the finalists right now in your presence. You do have a vote.
You voted on this. And then

Speaker 2 at the Barstool Bowl, we're going to announce it pregame, I believe. We're going to award the trophy live on the pregame show before that game.

Speaker 2 So just your initial reaction to the final four for the lowman trophy. We've got

Speaker 2 Pottabom from Iowa. Yep.
Monty Pottabaum, perennial nominee, great fullback. We have Drew Painter, James Madison University.

Speaker 7 We have Brad Roberts, Air Force.

Speaker 1 Air Force, yep.

Speaker 2 And then the fourth, Hunter Lepke, North Dakota State.

Speaker 1 Dakota State.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 It's an excellent final four. I feel like the James Madison guy's rigged, maybe.
I don't know how he got on the final list.

Speaker 1 The committee has a lot of integrity, Tom.

Speaker 2 We've got a lot of integrity on this committee. And I do have a vote transparently.
I do too.

Speaker 2 Big Cat's got a vote, and that's why everybody says, oh, low man rigged when Wisconsin fullback wins it every single year. But no, we have a prestigious committee.

Speaker 2 It's yourself, Andy Staples, Jacob Hester, Lorenzo Neal, Mike Allstott, John Kuhn. The list goes on and on and on.
We've got a who's who, a fullback community.

Speaker 1 Real fullback heads.

Speaker 2 Do you want to announce, like, out of those four, do you want to pick your choice? And this will be your official vote?

Speaker 1 Oh, man, this is pressure.

Speaker 6 Lepke, North Dakota State.

Speaker 2 He's son of

Speaker 2 a stud.

Speaker 6 I just, he's a battering Rami. He's a good carrying the ball.
I just really like him.

Speaker 6 I will say, though, PFT, congratulations to your dukes on a successful first FBS season.

Speaker 1 Yes. Thank you.
Very successful.

Speaker 2 And a great pizza party. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, Tom, thank you as always.
Appreciate it. Good luck in the Bowl season, and we'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 6 Thank you. Hank, you're going to win one day, I promise.

Speaker 1 No, he won't. No, he won't.
Because we're at a ball. No, he won't.
Yeah. It's true.
It's true.

Speaker 6 We need Billy to pick up the ball. So maybe sometime next year, you'll be able to play again.

Speaker 1 All right. See you, Tom.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's let's wrap up with some Fire Fest. Quick reminder: the show scheduled next week, Sunday night.
So there'll be a new episode on Monday, the 26th. It would just be me and PFT.

Speaker 1 And then we'll have the best of on Wednesday. Old school.
Old school. Yeah, me and PFT.
We're going to try to keep it tight for the people.

Speaker 1 There's probably a lot of people who aren't working this week, but we will have a new episode because it is an NFL Sunday.

Speaker 1 We will have the best of on Wednesday, and then Friday we'll be doing a new

Speaker 1 show from Arizona. So, we'll be together for that one.
And then we're back regularly scheduled programming on January 2nd. We'll have the regular Sunday week 17.

Speaker 1 I do love, by the way, that the new schedule, that week, we have a week 18, like a week into January, because it really does feel... Because

Speaker 1 that combo of having all the bowl games on January 1st and then week 17 close by, it really feels like everything's over after that. Yeah.
So it's nice to have a little buffer.

Speaker 2 It's good to go into January, although that is, that's usually traditionally that first week of January when head coaches would all get fired. Yeah, true.

Speaker 2 That's kind of weird to have Black Monday push back a little bit.

Speaker 2 It should actually be at the end of the calendar year, just for tax purposes. That's got to be a pain in the ass.

Speaker 1 We should actually do a fire, like the transfer portal.

Speaker 1 We should do a fire portal where it's just, there's an open, it opens once, you know, let's say in October, it opens for three days, and then in January, it opens for a week.

Speaker 1 You got a fire in those in that range.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I think that's a great idea. So we can all keep track of it.
It's always weird when a coach gets fired long after the season's over. It's like, why didn't you do this at the same time?

Speaker 2 But yeah, I'm excited to have the, I like the extended schedule now. I'm officially on board.
More football is good football.

Speaker 1 Yes. Hank, Fire Fest of the week.
I have a couple.

Speaker 1 Not getting the lottery ball? No, I'm about to get it. Ha!

Speaker 1 Our office is very close to Penn Station,

Speaker 1 which is where the Amtrak leaves from, for whatever reason, a couple weeks ago, I decided to book a flight home and I booked it for later. I'm here now or I could have just left, got on a train.

Speaker 1 Those are much, you know, much easier to get on, much less likelihood of delays and shit. Didn't do that.
Booked a flight.

Speaker 1 So this might be a pre-fire fest if I get delayed and I end up like spending 10 hours at an airport for a 45-minute flight. Yeah.
That would be a... Potential pre-fire fest.

Speaker 1 Second one, holiday edition as well.

Speaker 1 You guys know me. I'm just such a workhorse.
I'm just so locked in on work. And then all of a sudden I look up and it's like Christmas.
Like today, you know, the office was closed. I even realized it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And

Speaker 1 third floor corporate life. I just didn't realize a lot of people get a lot of little gifts and trinkets and stuff, and I just didn't really, didn't really do that.
You didn't do that.

Speaker 1 I did for like

Speaker 1 for MB, the person I work with the most, but a lot of the other random people that I wouldn't expect.

Speaker 1 We don't do

Speaker 1 trinket gifts like that.

Speaker 2 Hank, are you a Grinch?

Speaker 1 No, I knew you might be a Grinch. I might be a Grinch.

Speaker 2 Oh, even worse. It sounds like you're a Scrooge.

Speaker 1 And also,

Speaker 1 it sounds like you got to give some trinket gifts after the new year, which is even worse. Do I, though?

Speaker 2 Yeah, because you missed out being a Scrooge.

Speaker 1 It's like, oh, I didn't get in here in time. Here's your trinket gift.

Speaker 2 Do you not appreciate the people that work for you?

Speaker 1 I don't. Yes, I do.
What were the trinket gifts you got? Cookies. That's not a trinket.
Or like a small gift. It's a small gift of appreciation.
I don't know. Okay.
Cookies. What else?

Speaker 1 Wait, you didn't share those cookies with us? They're upstairs. Huh.
Okay, what else? Gift card. What was that to?

Speaker 1 Coffee place.

Speaker 1 Stella Blue. Stella Blue? Yes.
Yeah. Okay, nice.
Awesome.

Speaker 1 Who gave you that?

Speaker 1 Just curious. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, you got to get on your best.
Yeah, I guess I'm a Grinch. I'm a Grinch.
Yeah, you're a Grinch.

Speaker 2 I'd say Scrooge.

Speaker 1 Officially a Grinch. All right, PFT, your Fire Fest.

Speaker 2 My Fire Fest of the week is I've actually had a pretty clean week, so I'm excited to get into the holiday weekend. Clean? Yeah, very clean week.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Exceptionally clean, some might say. I keep a clean, I run a tight ship over here on this side of the table.

Speaker 2 Billy found an old takeout bag that I had in my pile, and so Billy came in this morning and was telling me how dirty I was.

Speaker 2 Watch it on PM TV. Always a great way.
Yeah, watch it on PM TV. I like to run a tight ship around here.

Speaker 2 I guess there was some sort of a bowl, maybe a Chipotle thing that got left behind and got buried under there.

Speaker 1 There's

Speaker 1 food left behind.

Speaker 8 So here's the difference between big cats piles and PFTs piles. Big cats piles are like a pile of laundry.

Speaker 8 Like hypothetically, it almost could be like hot laundry out of the dryer that you could jump in. PFTs might have rotting or like food items in.

Speaker 2 I had one food item.

Speaker 1 You said he was like Oscar the Grouch. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Oscar the Grouch style.

Speaker 8 He lives in a trash can.

Speaker 8 It is possible there might be a banana peel in the pile.

Speaker 1 I appreciate this, Billy, because I get the most heat for pies.

Speaker 8 Right, your pile's clean. Like if you're like, go jump into that pile.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's nothing in there.

Speaker 2 I jump into my pile all the time. The problem is in my pile, yeah, it had one takeout thing in there.
This isn't the first time. And then it's got, yeah, it is the first time, Billy.

Speaker 1 I've seen others.

Speaker 2 It's the first time. It's the first time.
It's just never on film. It's the first time.

Speaker 1 I've seen others.

Speaker 2 Sometimes there's a takeout bag that has.

Speaker 2 Billy even said, when we sat down, he said, that... pile occasionally will have a takeout bag that has napkins or utensils in it, which I'm sorry if I did not throw that away.

Speaker 2 But this is the first time for food.

Speaker 2 You're a trash guy.

Speaker 1 It's the first time for food. You're a trash guy and a poop guy.
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a bag of poop in your pile. I had a bag of poop over here.

Speaker 1 I mean, we had the Mountain Dew incident.

Speaker 2 I'm a hatchet guy.

Speaker 2 I do have a knife in my pile. I took it away.
And I've got a hatchet in my pile. So now Billy's got a hatchet and a knife somewhere.

Speaker 1 We did have the Spitter incident with no cap on it.

Speaker 2 That was true. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I did, but that's before I quit. My other real Firefest is that now I'm just back addicted to being I'm addicted to being addicted uh to nicotine.
Nice. So I need to quit that again for years.

Speaker 1 Welcome back. Uh, all right, my Fire Fest, uh, I alluded to it earlier, but

Speaker 1 I am so fat. I am so fucking fat.
Shaving my face was a big, big mistake. Uh the pictures have been an onslaught.
Probably going to be a few from this show right now because I don't know.

Speaker 1 The angles just aren't working. Yeah, Hank, go ahead, look up, look at my chins.
That's fine. Look, hey, look directly at my chin.
Play the angles. That's good, though.
Yeah, no, play in the angles.

Speaker 1 Well, there are angles that make it worse, but it's bad. I'm so fat I got a gym membership.
So we're going to fix this.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 Mr. Abs over there.
Yeah. Where are they? They're coming.
Let's see it. Let's see the progress.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl. Super Bowl abs.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Super Bowl abs. It's on.

Speaker 1 They're loading. I'm going to lose so much fat.
I thought you were going to a basketball place.

Speaker 1 I've been working hard.

Speaker 1 So you're.

Speaker 1 I haven't been able to do that. You're not going to go there and not go to the bottom.
No, you're going to go to both. Oh, God.
Once football's over, I'm back, baby. In your fucking face.

Speaker 1 I'm going to lose more weight than you can even imagine. I think if you just go to the basketball thing, you'll lose weight.
That happened. Yeah, it did happen.

Speaker 1 And then I stopped going, and then I shaved my face like a fucking idiot.

Speaker 2 You should get on the Peloton with me and Hank. We're bringing back Bunza Anarchy.
Every Monday night.

Speaker 1 I get bored on the bike.

Speaker 2 Every Monday night, if you're trying to beat Hank.

Speaker 8 I feel like you'd like what Mincy does.

Speaker 1 Just put on the basketball. No, that's the worst.
The first person to bring up about losing.

Speaker 8 No, but he has actually lost a good amount of weight. But he just gets on the bike and listens to shows.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm going to get back in shape. I'm going to match.
I'm going to match. Let's go.

Speaker 1 Max.

Speaker 1 Max, just this picture, right?

Speaker 1 We're at the Super Bowl. The Eagles just won.
I won my future. Your team won.
And we rip each other's shirts off. And we just have fucking sick bods.
I love that. So

Speaker 8 I actually have.

Speaker 1 Ever rip another man's shirt off?

Speaker 1 Just to show off the bods? That's men, baby. Yeah, that is.
That's guy stuff.

Speaker 8 There's There's a bunch of liver supplements that have been on sale recently.

Speaker 1 Oh, interesting. Yeah, it's a coincidence.

Speaker 1 We could just rip those for the whole month. See you next time.
Listen, I will, Billy, I will accept one supplement that you think is best for my health. I will

Speaker 1 see on January 2nd. Or 3rd, because January 2nd is a Monday.

Speaker 9 I actually went to the gym at 12.30 last night because I had

Speaker 9 this same anxiety that I'm like, I saw a video of myself. I'm like, I really need to get back in the the gym.

Speaker 1 It's actually, I'm at the worst is that I shaved, I'm fat, I'm really fat, I realize how fat I am, but it's also not diet season yet. I actually don't think you're that fat.

Speaker 2 I don't think you're that fat at all.

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 2 we live in a world where there's cameras everywhere, and every bad angle gets magnified by like 5,000%.

Speaker 2 I really don't think you're.

Speaker 1 I've seen you way fat. Stop enabling them, Peter.

Speaker 1 I've seen Big Cat

Speaker 1 fatter. You've been way fat, way fat.
It's so fat. That's irrelevant to the conversation.
But I think big fat and fat.

Speaker 2 Really, really fat.

Speaker 1 No, it's not fat, right? I need to lose like 15 pounds so that my this,

Speaker 1 this.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Also, a quick update on my son waking up at 4:30 in the morning, waking me up. We started doing this thing where it's a red light when he's sleeping, and then it turns to green at 7 a.m.

Speaker 1 So he's not allowed to come out of his room at 7 a.m. He's just come out of his room at 6 a.m.
to tell me that it's still a red light and we got to go back to his room. So that doesn't really fix it.

Speaker 2 It doesn't work, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's just like, hey, dad, it's still red.

Speaker 1 We got to stay in bed. I'm like, but you're fucking standing right next to me, dude.

Speaker 1 So he's found a loophole in that. Billy.

Speaker 8 Last weekend, my phone broke. I was trying to make it to Christmas before getting a new one.

Speaker 8 But the screen shattered, so I couldn't get any information off of it. And transferring, like in our job, we tend to use tons of images, screenshots, cutting up different things.

Speaker 8 I have 35 gigabytes of photos so i can't get a good transfer or backup because it ends up just getting clogged up on all the photos so i just can't i have to like resell my passwords and do all that have you heard of the cloud yeah the cloud is yes but the cloud you don't trust it doesn't upload all the time i'm with billy i don't trust the cloud either I'm anti-cloud.

Speaker 2 I trust the cloud.

Speaker 8 I've had the cloud on, but for some reason, it says there's no iCloud backup because there's so many goddamn photos.

Speaker 1 So from our perspective, Billy, just explained what happened.

Speaker 1 I just want to say he's been very communicative with me and PFT, telling us, but it was very funny because on Saturday night he DM'd both of us saying, my phone is broken.

Speaker 1 And then on Sunday, he texted me and PFT at 12.04 and said, phone broken, going to AAT ⁇ T won't make 1 p.m. games.

Speaker 1 Then he texted us at 4.14 and said, leaving house, getting new phone, getting into office by 6.

Speaker 1 We just were laughing. It's like, what happened between noon and 4? I went to the AT ⁇ T.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 8 Well, yeah, I was watching Jesse, but I went to the ATT store. ATT didn't have any phones.
Then I had to go to the Apple store.

Speaker 1 Ah, that makes sense.

Speaker 8 Then I had to go. I went to Best Buy at one point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we were sitting there like, there's a gap. There's a five-hour gap here, but that makes sense.
That makes perfect sense. So I'm happy.

Speaker 1 There's nothing worse than having to deal with phone issues.

Speaker 1 Cloud is clutch. Cloud is clutch.

Speaker 1 I lost in 2000, like probably when I was closer to your age, I had a similar situation, lost all my phone and all my pictures. Devastating.
And then I adopted the cloud and really committed to it.

Speaker 8 But how many times do you do a full backup?

Speaker 1 It does it automatically.

Speaker 1 There's ways you can set it up.

Speaker 1 I literally had the same thing happen to you, and I still sometimes, like, I basically had a year's worth of shit that I lost that, like, I still am like, fuck, I wish I had that stuff.

Speaker 1 And so I really looked into the cloud and made sure that it was backed up, had a lot of storage.

Speaker 1 Cloud is clutch.

Speaker 1 When you lose everything, when you break it and then it turns back on, and it all comes back. You're like, thank fucking God.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you just basically just plug it in, your cloud, and your new phone is just set up right away. Yeah.
All the settings and everything. Damn.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I still don't trust the cloud.

Speaker 1 Jake, finish us off.

Speaker 10 I had a bad dream the other day. Oh, no.

Speaker 10 It was Arizona Bowl Game Day, and I was heading there, and I was stuck in traffic, and I thought I was going to be late for the broadcast.

Speaker 2 Stuart Peter King just hit the bike lane.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's one of those people.

Speaker 10 So I'm going to ensure that's not the best.

Speaker 1 It wasn't for like preseason. He was like going to

Speaker 2 the Chargers camp.

Speaker 2 He was doing his summer camp tour, going to the Chargers game, and he goes, look at all this traffic. Fortunately, I figured out a way to get around it.

Speaker 2 And it's just a picture of him driving just through the bike lane. He's the guy that's the asshole that's cutting around all the traffic just by using the bike lane.

Speaker 2 And then, man, if there's one group of people you don't want to piss off online, it's probably still like Beyoncé fans. But second is bicyclists.
And so bicyclists just cook Peter King. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Of course, Peter King wouldn't know what a bike lane looks like. No, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Seen that guy? No. Hey, listen, I'm working.

Speaker 2 Get on the Peloton, big cat. Blunts of anarchy.

Speaker 1 I might have to. I might have to.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Hank, so we're going to do numbers.

Speaker 1 There will be numbers. We're going to actually record, no spoilers, we're going to record the lottery ball machine for Monday's show and Friday's show.

Speaker 1 And we're not going to do one on Wednesday, but you get one on January 1st.

Speaker 1 Hank, have you ever gotten this? Nope. Okay.

Speaker 1 I also have a twist if you don't get it. Because I don't really want to take your money.

Speaker 1 I get more satisfaction out of you being just terrible at this. I have a twist if you want to hear it.
28. I have a twist.
Let's cross that bridge when we get there. Okay, I mean, we've crossed it.

Speaker 1 You're not going to get it. Oh, we're at the bridge? Yeah.
No, we're not. 0.0% chance.

Speaker 2 17. 28.

Speaker 1 Can I have a number, please? No. Give me a number.
No. What was your last number? 18.

Speaker 1 What was your number last time?

Speaker 1 I think it was, what was it? Maggie. 29.
All right, I'll do 29.

Speaker 10 Sebastian has 39.

Speaker 1 Wait, what do I have, 28? You have 28. I have 29.

Speaker 1 Billy's got 69. Jake?

Speaker 10 I have 18. Sebastian is 39.

Speaker 1 I have 20.

Speaker 10 Wait, what do you have, hey?

Speaker 1 28.

Speaker 1 Oh, I just saw... Oh, no, I was 82.

Speaker 1 10!

Speaker 1 Mitch Trubisky, 10 God. All right, everyone, have a happy Merry Christmas.

Speaker 2 Second time, love you guys.

Speaker 1 We'll see everyone on Sunday night.

Speaker 2 Love you guys.

Speaker 1 Watch out, Crane.

Speaker 1 I'll be coming with you, another

Speaker 1 day, another

Speaker 1 day.

Speaker 1 Sounded needless to say

Speaker 1 I've not seen it,

Speaker 1 but I feel so let away

Speaker 1 Slowly learning the life

Speaker 1 Say after me

Speaker 1 It's no better to say it's all you to say

Speaker 1 the

Speaker 1 time.