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Speaker 1 Today is Wednesday, October 26th.

Speaker 1 Hank?

Speaker 1 Henry? Dank. Henry.
Daniel.

Speaker 6 Would you like to discuss anything?

Speaker 1 How's... No.
Monday football. How was your Saturday?

Speaker 6 I mean, it feels good on this side of the table. Big Cat, congratulations on the win.

Speaker 1 Thank you, PFT.

Speaker 6 Billy, congratulations on the win.

Speaker 1 PFT is the first person on pardon my takes to congratulate me on the win.

Speaker 6 Jake, congratulations on your win on Sunday as well.

Speaker 1 Max. Max.
You're in the World Series.

Speaker 6 I mean, and your team's undefeated. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 we're riding. Credible

Speaker 1 run. We're riding.
Oh, basketball. Basketball.
You want to talk basketball? You want to start basketball?

Speaker 6 Everybody that has an undefeated team in basketball, raise your hand.

Speaker 1 Not so fast, Hank. Oh,

Speaker 1 so Monday night football, Bears Patriots.

Speaker 1 It was quite a game. It was, I was thinking about it.

Speaker 1 I think it was probably my favorite Bears game that they've played since probably 2018 against the Rams on Sunday night football when we almost made our good friend Jared cry because it was so cold and that defense was awesome.

Speaker 1 And yeah, the Bears.

Speaker 1 Listen, I'm not even going going to, I don't care about Hank

Speaker 1 at all. No, definitely not.
I'm just excited that the Bears looked good. Like, Justin Fields looked awesome.
The Bears put together a competent game. They looked like the team that wanted it more.

Speaker 1 They looked faster. I was so excited to just see something fun for the first time in a very long time.
And now you have to ask, like, why aren't the Bears on primetime more?

Speaker 1 They probably shouldn't be. It's a shame.

Speaker 6 We're not going to get to see them for the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 No, they're 1 o'clock for the rest of the season. That's too bad.
Maybe some flexes? Because I don't know. Did you play in Thanksgiving? Nope, nope, one o'clock.
The rest of the season. It was nice.

Speaker 6 It was good to see Justin Fields run because he wanted to run and not because he had to run.

Speaker 1 They had so many good designed runs for him. And I like, okay.
So I want to hear from Hank because Hank's going through it.

Speaker 1 But in terms of like the Bears, and like that was the first time that they put together an entire game plan with Justin Fields as a quarterback. That was his best performance as a bear.

Speaker 1 And it was, it started right away. I texted you guys.
The fact that, like, on the first drive, when they were, I don't know, around the 30-yard line and it was third and eight or something,

Speaker 1 they did a pitch play to David Montgomery instead of trying to pass and potentially getting a sack and going backwards.

Speaker 1 And it was like, hey, they're trying to find the little ways to always move forward and win this game instead of, you know, being like, hey, Justin Fields, try to figure this out with not a great offensive line and not great receivers in these like clear throwing downs.

Speaker 1 And then his runs, his designed runs, his runs where it like things broke down and he got out of the pocket and like made guys miss. It was incredible.
I'm

Speaker 1 the happiest I've been in a long time for the Bears, and it was fun to watch, and I'm just happy. I'm happy.

Speaker 6 You know why you're happy, and I can see that you're glowing. It's because

Speaker 6 when you get to watch a team that's got like a fun young quarterback leading your team, like all of us got to experience over the course of the weekend, that's true.

Speaker 1 Like you get

Speaker 1 a

Speaker 6 buzz going. Like it makes the rest of your week that much better.
Just a guy.

Speaker 6 It improves your mood to have a guy. Yeah.
So congratulations. I think Justin Fields took a big step towards being a guy this week.

Speaker 1 And the whole time I was, like, it actually wait, it was not until the fourth quarter started where I was like, wait, are the Bears going to win this game? Because it was also like playing with fire.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you saw they had five fumbles and they recovered all of them. Yeah, they're really good.

Speaker 1 There was that moment. I was talking about it on Sunday when we were talking about the Jets.
Like, I was just waiting for the disaster to happen.

Speaker 1 And I'm not, I jokingly tweeted out that I see them winning the rest of the season. That obviously isn't the case.

Speaker 1 But baby steps, steps forward, Justin Fields looking confident, all these things make me a happy person.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to delude myself and pretend they're a good team because they probably still have a long way to go. And Micah Parsons is probably going to wreck some shit on Sunday.
But I'm just happy.

Speaker 6 And going up against maybe the best coach to ever do it and doing that against him in his house.

Speaker 1 Belichick told us, though. He did.
He said Jonathan Fields is a threat every time he touches the ball. He did.

Speaker 1 We all laughed and I laughed too, but he went on for eight minutes about how explosive the Bears are, and it actually proves he still got it.

Speaker 6 I think that the game turned when Mac Jones broke the code and he went in studs up and a challenge directly

Speaker 6 into Javon Brisker's dick. I don't think people were saying, oh, that hit his balls.
I think he went just straight up toe cleat into the dick.

Speaker 1 And then Brisker made an unreal interception, one-handed interception, that I guess now would be a good segue of where you are, Hank, because after that interception, Mac Jones comes out.

Speaker 1 Bailey Zappi comes in. Probably the most electric two drives.

Speaker 1 Of all time.

Speaker 1 I treated it. I was like, I am petrified of Bailey Zappie because he's a gamer.
And

Speaker 1 it felt like the momentum had completely shifted.

Speaker 1 I was like, this is going to be a bad ending of the game. The Bears are screwed now.
And then it just didn't happen.

Speaker 1 Before I, yeah, I have a lot of thoughts, but I will say, when those two drives happened, I cracked a couple beers. I got so excited.
I was like, you know, it's Monday night. It's raining.

Speaker 1 It's kind of just, you know, let's watch this game. It's probably going to be ugly.
Bears stink. I think the Patriots aren't that good.

Speaker 1 This is what my mindset was.

Speaker 1 And then here's the thing. The patriots two drives happened, and it was, I was so fired up.
I was like, this is fucking awesome.

Speaker 6 I don't even, I don't even blame you for being like, this is, holy shit, we lucked into another great quarterback right here. Because if I was a Patriots fan, I'd probably feel the same way.

Speaker 6 And even as a non-Patriots fan,

Speaker 6 I saw that happening, and I was like, good for Hank. Boston sports fans, you deserve to have a beautiful young quarterback.
You guys have suffered for

Speaker 6 almost a season and a half. Do you? I feel like you got two half guys.

Speaker 1 And here's what is it.

Speaker 6 Hank, the old saying, if you have two quarterbacks, you don't have one. I think

Speaker 6 you've got two half quarterbacks. That might actually make you, you've got a quarter of a guy right now.

Speaker 1 I have a bone to pick with you guys. If Bailey Zappi and Matt Jones, like, maybe got on each other's shoulders and put a trench coat, yeah, they could get into an R-rated movie.

Speaker 1 Before I get into my bone to pick with you guys, they do look almost exactly the same, too.

Speaker 1 They do.

Speaker 6 It's like Bailey Zappi looks like Mac Jones with just like a little bit, like if he went to prison for a while, like a more sinister version.

Speaker 1 Bone, do you have to pick with us? I haven't even talked shit.

Speaker 1 I'm literally just happy the Bears, like, the Bears could have done that against anyone, and I would have had the same feeling of just contentment that Justin Fields finally looked good.

Speaker 1 Before I get into that, if you will let me go ahead and eloquate.

Speaker 1 Bone pick away.

Speaker 1 I've somehow in the past month or two I've joined the sports town beat like it's become one of my main jobs, one of my main roles in life is covering sports towns and whether or not they're good or bad.

Speaker 1 I don't know how it happened, but it has happened. And everyone says I'm a homer, everyone says I'm a Pat's homer, and everyone says I'm trolling other fan bases when I do it.

Speaker 1 But the fact that Patriots fans were booing Mac Jones, who played well last year, took us to the playoffs, and was a first-round draft pick,

Speaker 1 and then we're chanting for Bailey Zappi, that's a bad sports town move.

Speaker 1 I did not like that at all. And if you're Mac Jones, it's like everyone loves you.

Speaker 1 I don't care who you are. If you are a starting quarterback and you have an entire stadium booing you, your home stadium booing you and cheering for the other guy, like that's not easy to overcome.

Speaker 1 It's hard, especially when you're coming off an injury, too. That I do.

Speaker 6 If you were a guy, you could overcome it, though.

Speaker 1 And this is where I can get into the bone to pick. You guys have, you guys are supposed to be, you know, you should take you're the number one sports podcast, number one football podcast.

Speaker 1 That's just your fact. Poisoning people's minds with the fact that game by game, you can decide whether or not you're a guy or not a guy.

Speaker 1 It's not that simple.

Speaker 1 No, you're talking like a guy that has never been in

Speaker 6 purgatory. Hold on.
Trying to figure out whether or not your guy exists or he's not the guy. You've had Tom Brady for what feels like two decades.

Speaker 6 So you've never gotten to watch football through our eyes the way we see the game.

Speaker 1 And through our eyes, we're always wondering if our quarterback is. And I'm not saying Justin Fields is a guy yet.
He's guy fluid. No, he's guy fluid.
He's guy fluid. And we have two.

Speaker 1 He goes back and forth between being a guy and not a guy.

Speaker 6 It's the guy narrative.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's allowed to choose his own path into becoming a guy, and I'm going to respect that. And so that's what I'm saying, where it's like,

Speaker 1 it's game by game.

Speaker 1 You're not going to, I also don't appreciate the fact that people are trying to make one choice or the other you gotta see film you gotta get experience you gotta get some reps under your belt can I just wait can I just can I just can I just boil down what Hank just said real quick you're telling pardon my take yes not to be knee-jerk reactions overreact have bad takes Do you know what this show is about?

Speaker 1 But when it comes to me,

Speaker 1 my team, I don't appreciate it, and I think you guys are doing a disservice. We are the greater football community.
We sit on a throne of bad takes.

Speaker 6 What if we just sat here every episode and we're like, you know, there's

Speaker 1 some time.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I see some nice things, but we're going to have to wait till year three to make a judgment.
I think this is what you should say. I think what Brandon

Speaker 6 is doing is very interesting, and sometimes his methods work and sometimes they don't. And here's why, according to Matt.

Speaker 1 I could see the argument for, I could see the argument against. I don't really know.

Speaker 1 That's how I feel.

Speaker 1 That's how I feel. That's a terrible problem.
It could be Mac. It could be Zappi.
You just got to give him some time. You got to give him some reps.

Speaker 1 I also think it's like, you know, Bailey Zappi tried not to throw the Patriots onto the bus, and in doing so, threw him under the bus. He got asked, did you take any first-team reps this week?

Speaker 1 And he said, that's a question for. And then he stopped himself and said, you know what, we're focusing on the Jets.

Speaker 1 Which obviously means he didn't get first-team reps and probably should have. If he did get first-team reps, he probably could have won the game.
Mac Jones was hurt. Ivy's getting boosted.

Speaker 1 So it's like

Speaker 1 there's no, you can't take that game and make a decision one way or the other. I do think, though, after the game, I'm back on like, it's Mac's job to lose.

Speaker 1 Okay, hold on. I want to hear what Bill happened.

Speaker 1 Because Zappi could have played well.

Speaker 6 The best thing that could have happened for Mac Jones is for Zappi to go out there and play that second half the way that he did.

Speaker 1 And I agree with you, Hank. I think Belichick made a mistake in that if you're going to start Mac Jones, you just got to let him be the starter.
Because when does this

Speaker 1 work? Like, when you go back and forth,

Speaker 1 college teams try to do it, and it doesn't work in college. Like, it's, it's, he kind of put himself in a a no-win situation, put Mac Jones in a no-win situation.

Speaker 1 Bailey Zappi, like, if you, if you think it's really going to be Bailey Zappi, he should have started the game. And if you think it's really going to be Mac Jones, he should have finished the game.

Speaker 6 I think the situation is much worse.

Speaker 7 I think it's Matt Patricia's fault.

Speaker 6 This is why. Okay.
Let's cook.

Speaker 7 So Mac Jones may have started and taken all the starting reps in practice, but the type of offense that the starting offense was running in that first drive was really a Bailey Zappie offense.

Speaker 7 Now let me explain what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Pitchers are a system. That's the thing.
Right.

Speaker 7 But if you look at the types of play calling that Mac Jones was doing and the types of plays that were being called against Cleveland last week, that scheme was very different to anything they were running last year.

Speaker 7 And with that, that's because they were to Bailey Zappi's skill set. Bailey may have been taking reps with the second team, but the first team was taking Bailey Zappie reps.

Speaker 1 It was his system.

Speaker 6 Yes. The rest of the team was taking Bailey Zappi reps.
Yes. But Bailey Zappi, but Mac Jones Jones was also taking Bailey Zappi reps.

Speaker 7 And Mac Jones can't. So those types of...
I was looking at the passing concepts, and a lot of them were run and shoot and air raid type concepts. Now, listen to this.
Bailey Zappi threw the ball.

Speaker 7 He had 1,300 completions in his first four years in college. Three at Houston Baptist University, one at Western Kentucky.

Speaker 7 With that, if you take all of Mac.

Speaker 1 How many of those from Under Side? Hank, Hank. Zero.

Speaker 6 Billy's doing exactly what you want us to do. this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's literally boring us. He's being very smart.

Speaker 1 But he's smart. Wait a minute.
No, he's right. I think he knows what he's talking about.
Let him go off.

Speaker 6 Can't have it both ways, Hank.

Speaker 7 Mac Jones only has, I did the math of his Alabama completions and pro completions. I think it's around 832 completions, which is way less than the 1,300.

Speaker 7 Like the reps that it requires to run that type of offense is a guy like that. You need Bailey Zappi.

Speaker 7 And Matt Patricia wants a quarterback who has played in a pass-first offense, who can take the shoulder of the offense, whereas Mac Jones has always played in a run-first pro-style concept with guys who have way good talent.

Speaker 7 Like at Alabama, their play, you know, their

Speaker 1 costs. They did.
But they had way good talent.

Speaker 7 Their talent, he's throwing to open guys, whereas Bailey Zappi was playing in a scheme wins-the game-type FCS D1 area where he had to throw the ball to where the defense isn't and where the wide receiver can get there.

Speaker 7 He's a guy who, you know, they were, it's like third third and two. They're throwing the ball in those types of concepts.

Speaker 7 It is a pass-first offense, and that puts a lot less pressure on Matt Patricia. And if he's about to game plan in the NFL.

Speaker 7 So if you have a guy like Zappy, but the thing is, the downside with Zappy is that his release point is too low for the NFL. If you look at the Cleveland game, he looked short last night.
Right.

Speaker 7 If you look at the Cleveland gain, if you look at what he did last night, his release point is way too low, causing the ball to get batted down and those interceptions.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there were those.

Speaker 1 Here's one thing I think.

Speaker 1 And that is my breakdown. No, sir.
Sorry if I was saying it's more. No, no, no.
That was very good, Billy.

Speaker 1 So Matt Patricia, more than anyone, is to blame for last night because they basically put Mac Jones in a situation he was never going to succeed in.

Speaker 7 So there's a certain shoot option route that he threw the interception on where you look at the either running back or the wideback scat back goes into the shoot, goes into the flat.

Speaker 7 If he's covered, he then turns up the sideline. And that was where Mac Jones was trying to get the ball.
That concept needs to be drilled a thousand times.

Speaker 7 It's something that Bailey Zappi did all at Houston in something that is a Bailey Zappie type. That's the play.

Speaker 1 There was the play,

Speaker 1 excuse me, the play before Mac Jones threw the interception. They got him benched.
That play, there was guys going down sideways. You thought there was a shot.
He was wide open.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no. That was the Zappi play.
Right, that's an interception. But

Speaker 1 the one that Mac Jones, before he threw the interception, they had two goal routes on the outside, and one of the guys was wide open, and Mac Jones just didn't see it. Right.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so so in other words, well, first of all, when Billy says, now you guys are going to want to listen to this, I envision all our listeners like doing the meme where they put the earbud in their ear and turn it all the way up and start crying because it's so beautiful.

Speaker 6 Yeah. That was great.
First of all, that was great, Billy.

Speaker 6 I need to translate what you said to Hank because sometimes Hank only hears what he wants to hear.

Speaker 1 Hank's in a defensive mood, right?

Speaker 6 What Billy just said was that Bailey Zappi and Mac Jones are both half guys, and they're not the guy.

Speaker 1 So that's what I heard.

Speaker 7 Really, I think what needs to happen is the offensive line needs to learn to chop down guys who are trying to bat down the ball, something that guys like

Speaker 7 on the Cardinals are doing that they did for Russell Wilson in Seattle so that he can get those throwing lanes.

Speaker 7 I think he can be the guy, but he needs to also work on some of the fundamentals that game managers have had.

Speaker 6 Which guy?

Speaker 7 Bailey Zappi needs to work on like handing the ball.

Speaker 1 What about Mac?

Speaker 6 I agree with that. Bailey Zappi looks very uncomfortable on handoffs.
They should have Mac Jones just be their handoff quarterback.

Speaker 6 He's a great game manager, and then have Bailey Zappi do all that other scientific stuff you just said.

Speaker 7 Bailey Zappi's Matt Patricia's guy. I don't know if he is the guy.

Speaker 6 So Joe Jackson, I just used up all my life.

Speaker 1 It's something where it's like, again, the mainstream media and the click betaholics and the people like Big Cat and PFT, like they're just going to focus on quarterback play.

Speaker 1 But the reality of the situation is they couldn't stop fucking Billy Football if he was a quarterback of the Bears last night. They couldn't stop him.
You call him Billy Justin Fields?

Speaker 1 Probably better.

Speaker 7 No, Justin Fields was running quarterback sweeps that were goddamn.

Speaker 1 They did have some design runs. No, I already know.
But that's where it's like everyone's talking about Mac Jones and Bailey Zappy. And he's talking about the games.
Let's talk about the X's nose.

Speaker 1 You're right. He's talking about defense.

Speaker 1 The Bears. What are we doing here? The Bears look like the team that was somehow better prepared and they looked faster and stronger.
And you also had Trent Brown had like six penalties.

Speaker 1 So yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 As a totality of the game, the Patriots did not look ready. But of course, we're going to talk about the quarterback because that's American sports, baby.
I'm a defense guy.

Speaker 1 It's the number one position in the future. Defensive championships, not guys.
So where are you at? Where are you at? I am back on.

Speaker 1 It's Mac Jones' job to lose. And if he plays poorly, then it's Bailey Zappi's job to win.
And if he plays well, then it's Bailey Zappi's job. Bailey Zappi, it doesn't matter that they won or lost.

Speaker 1 If he played well in the second half, I would have been like, he needs to be the starter going forward.

Speaker 1 He showed, besides those first two drives, which were, again.

Speaker 1 That first throw was not even a good throw. Devontae Parker just made an incredible move.
And it got tipped.

Speaker 1 But just the adrenaline and like the energy, and obviously, again, bad sports time move to boo Mac Jones, but the energy when that play happened and those two drives happened was great.

Speaker 1 Everyone was fired up.

Speaker 1 But then he really showed nothing in the second half and had some bad interceptions, some bad throws. He looked short.
He looked.

Speaker 1 We watched the night in the gambling cave when we threw on all the old highlights. We threw on the Patrick Mahomes and Baker Mayfield college game, Oklahoma Texas Tech.

Speaker 1 I was watching that game and you could tell how different Pat Mahomes looked when he was like dropping back. You could just tell it.

Speaker 1 I don't know what it was, what he changed, but Bailey Zappi looked like Patrick Mahomes in college. When he dropped back, he was kind of flat-footed.
He just didn't really look too fluid.

Speaker 1 Something's got to change there. That's my QB analysis.
Okay.

Speaker 6 He looks short and flat-footed. So you kept saying that you thought about last year.
Mac Jones took you to the playoffs last year. Fact.
You got to the playoffs, I think, with Mac Jones. Fact.

Speaker 6 I don't know if you could say he took you there because there were some games where you ran the ball every single snap except for three.

Speaker 1 Well, it was zero, negative 25 degrees.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but win doesn't matter. But win doesn't matter, Hank.

Speaker 1 Winning does.

Speaker 6 It does. And then, well, then once you got to the playoffs, like Mac Jones became a guy where he was very, he was

Speaker 6 ill-equipped to win against a good team in the playoffs.

Speaker 6 And now this year, Bailey Zappi has shown more flashes than Mac Jones has shown agreed so he had that he had the entire second half let's do a blind resume he had the entire second half to and he didn't have to even play like amazing he just had to play decently solid show some flashes he showed no flashes showed flashes in the first half but but it was a bad throw and it was you know okay we're doing blind resume okay Bailey Zappi is the first quarterback but he was drafted in the first round Mac Jones is the second quarterback but he was drafted in what the fourth round

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 6 yeah. So if Mac Jones was drafted in the fourth round and Bailey Zappi was drafted in the first, which guy would you be completely behind?

Speaker 1 I'm not completely behind either of them. I would ask, who, did Bailey Zappi lead the team to the playoffs last year?

Speaker 1 Western Kentucky did go to a bowl game.

Speaker 1 That is a fact. They also almost won their conference.
They played UTSA in San Antonio. Tough place to play.
Great game. They lost.
I just think, again, it's like you guys do this.

Speaker 6 You're not going to answer the question.

Speaker 1 I'm not doing that. Knee-jerk reaction, and then

Speaker 1 the world is falling, and the world is

Speaker 1 rising. No, no, no.
What do you think every sports show is leading with this morning? Like, I'm. They should be talking about the defense.
I'm not. So, so, let me.
I was going to ask that.

Speaker 1 Where are you at on a hole with the Patriots team? Like, you have the Jets next week. Are you worried? Yeah.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Very worried. I wish we could go to the game.
We work on Sundays.

Speaker 1 It's a shame. That is a shame.
Otherwise, I mean, Bill, you can go.

Speaker 6 No. I know.
Oh, what if we did like a a competition between the two of you where you have to eat something real spicy, depending on whichever team wins?

Speaker 1 I like that a lot. I like that a lot.
Billy?

Speaker 7 Now that it's my team, 100%.

Speaker 1 So are you, like, is this,

Speaker 6 we're going to have another complete weekend. of exactly what happened two weeks ago where Billy's going to freak out on all of us.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And like threaten to quit.
Get Max is saying, please, for PMTV views. All right.
Hank, I'll meet you halfway. The NFL is a fucking weird league.
Anything can happen anytime.

Speaker 1 Like, I went into that game last night, and I did not expect that performance from the Bears or Justin Fields because I haven't seen it before. I saw it, and I was like, holy shit, this is awesome.

Speaker 1 I also didn't expect a Bill Belichick coach team to play that, like, lackadaisical, maybe, is the word, but, like, they just didn't feel like they wanted it. They couldn't stop anything.

Speaker 1 But it's week to week, so you never know. So, you could be back next week.
I am, we talked about it last year. We've talked about it this year.

Speaker 1 This whole realization that we're just very mediocre and even if we somehow make the playoffs aren't probably going to do anything is

Speaker 1 hard for me. It's hard.
You're struggling. I don't really know.

Speaker 1 I don't really know where am I with the Patriots. It's like

Speaker 1 we could turn it around a lot and maybe make the playoffs and then get smoked again. So

Speaker 1 is there

Speaker 1 this is one of those moments where you wish you were us. Because I'm going to be living off of that performance from Justin Fields.
He just bought in my mind his fifth year option.

Speaker 1 Like that's how overreacting I am.

Speaker 1 And again, I don't think the Bears are a very good team, but I saw something last night that I was like, yeah, let's start running this type of offense where he's running a lot more and it's maybe more Lamar Jackson than it is pocket passer.

Speaker 1 And Lamar's a good pocket passer, so that's not a knock on Lamar, but like use his feet. He's an electric athlete.
He looked really good.

Speaker 1 It happened last year, too, when we beat the Bills in the Weather Doesn't Matter game.

Speaker 1 And it was like, oh, we beat the best team in the the league we have the best coach we can make the playoffs and make a run when the when the when those first two zappy drives happen it's like oh this is something special like where this this could be a run and then the game progresses and you're like no we kind of just it was an electric moment it was i i was sitting there being like i started i started cracking i it was one of those things where it's like i need i'm i started saying cracking a bit

Speaker 6 yeah i i think hank that um what you're slowly realizing is that belichek isn't a magic wand for everything and you probably going into last year even the year before when Cam Newton came out and he played pretty well in that first game.

Speaker 6 You're like, oh, we got Belichick. We'll be good.
We can make it where he's that much better than everybody else that he can turn anything into a good player.

Speaker 6 But I think what you're discovering is that might not always be true. So

Speaker 6 on the fifth year discussion, where are we at with Mac Jones in the fifth year?

Speaker 1 I just gave Justin Fields his. He got it.

Speaker 7 Hank, honestly, if you look at.

Speaker 6 Hank's not answering that question again.

Speaker 1 All you know after this week?

Speaker 6 Oh, it's a week week to week yeah you got to give him time so one more week we it's all we were we were six days too early here's another overreaction i saw last night people being like bill bochek also he's not healthy i until he's healthy i'm really not gonna be able to do that he's got a little bit of he's got some grays and allen in him though doesn't he like should we be having the discussion like is mac jones a dirty player Because with the slide, with the studs up, and remember last year he tried to twist that one dude's ankle off?

Speaker 6 He's a little bit of a dirty guy. He's a competitor.

Speaker 7 Hank, looking at the last of the Patriots' offensive drives. We got a fumble.
We got a punt caused from a bad down ball. Another punt from a bad down ball.
Two interceptions from batted balls.

Speaker 7 If you have him running with the first team, Bailey Zappy, that fumble's not going to happen.

Speaker 7 If you have the offensive line drilling, those like trying to hit guys low when they try to jump and swat it down, that might cause some improvement. A little pass blocking.

Speaker 1 Do you guys have Patricia's number?

Speaker 1 No. Fuck.
Why? You want to call him? You tell him to get him on the horn with Billy. Yeah, that's right.
But these are all things that are just going to be. the phone up.

Speaker 7 But then you're going to have a guy who's going to light it up.

Speaker 7 And if he learns the run game, you're going to have a pass-first quarterback in a run-first offense.

Speaker 1 I hold my quarterbacks responsible. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I'm not going to just say that all those bad plays and interceptions and shit were not his fault.
Right.

Speaker 1 The other thing is there was the overreaction on Twitter last night being like, Belichick is an average coach without Tom Brady. Show me any Hall of Fame coach that didn't have great players.

Speaker 1 Great, that's kind of what you were saying, PFT. Like, great players are more important than great coaches are great.
Like,

Speaker 1 Bill Belichick's the best coach of all time. Not taking anything away from him, but like,

Speaker 1 choose any Hall of Fame coach. They had great players.
They don't win with nobodies. That's just a fact.

Speaker 6 It's interesting because Joe Gibbs won three Super Bowls with three different starting quarterbacks. He did.
And three different starting running backs. That's just kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And one other thing I'll say is

Speaker 1 I had a lot of Chicago people jumping down my throat because the Bulls beat the Celtics,

Speaker 1 came back and won. Dominated football and baseball season.
Yeah. But I had a lot of people being like,

Speaker 1 well,

Speaker 1 you did post a bet that was.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, obviously I bet on the Celtics. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 Patriots teaser. I mean, it's not the first time.

Speaker 1 Look at my mentions after a bet loses. But

Speaker 1 we're moving to Chicago. I'm going to be a Chicago native soon.
We've talked about how New York York is an absolute joke in the city and they've never won a championship or done anything. So

Speaker 1 I root for Chicago success. I appreciate it.
I hope that when we're there, they can actually make, even just, even just make a championship. Listen, and we can enjoy it as a city.

Speaker 1 It's like if you're going to live in a city, you want the city to be alive and excited and ready to go.

Speaker 1 I hope that happens. People will think Hank's pandering, but he was rooting for the Knicks to get Zion Williamson for this exact reason.
He's always said he wants the Knicks to be like

Speaker 1 good.

Speaker 1 And then he went to Brooklyn and that doesn't count. Yeah.
It's not that far away. But like, if he was there, it'd be awesome.
Yeah, right there.

Speaker 1 Okay, so overall,

Speaker 6 not a guy.

Speaker 1 In conclusion, Justin Fields got fluid. We have a guy.

Speaker 6 He's gisexual.

Speaker 1 He's going to. That was the first time that I saw it, and I'm just happy.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying it. I didn't shit talk you.
I didn't say anything. I don't care.
I'm happy the Bears look good.

Speaker 1 And again, we should be talking about the defense.

Speaker 1 But because Bailey Zappi could have played like the guy, they probably still would have lost. Justin Fields looked unbelievable.

Speaker 6 He did. I like those offenses when teams just decide, okay, we're going to run power, and there's nothing that you're going to be able to do to stop it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I the Billy, Billy, the, the, the block, the blocking thing is,

Speaker 1 that's a great point. I wasn't thinking about it.

Speaker 1 I think once we figure out the, the, the blocking and was it just chop blocking people?

Speaker 7 No, but like the Patriots haven't had a short quarterback in how many years?

Speaker 6 Doug Floody.

Speaker 7 Yeah. I mean, like, who knows? Like, who's the offensive line coach? Did he come back?

Speaker 1 Scarneckia is on the team. No, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 6 If Scarneckia was on this team, I think that we'd see Bailey Zappi. He'd be in the shotgun, and they'd be chopping guys down when they try to jump and swat passes.

Speaker 7 I know that sounds a little more like an easy fix scenario, but Zappy, I don't know.

Speaker 7 I just think Zappi's got so much reps and experience from throwing the ball like 10 times, like 1,000 times more than Mac Jones.

Speaker 7 You're in your good hands.

Speaker 1 All right, last question about this. Hank, I know you said you're going to go week to week here.

Speaker 1 Also, the promo in the beginning, you know, some teams like the Panthers, when they did it, it was like a Panther jumping on the stadium. They just did a Razor.
Razors like that. That was crazy.
Like,

Speaker 1 this is how I feel as a Patriots fan. That was crazy.
So

Speaker 1 if Mac Jones,

Speaker 1 I think he's the starter. I don't think Belichick will do this again.
If he has, if he struggles for the next two, three starts. Zappy.
If he struggles next start. Zappy.

Speaker 1 What about if he struggles first drive? No. Okay.
What about

Speaker 1 play the whole next? But I am not, I'm not, I need to see both. I'm not going to make a hard decision one way or the other.
If Mac plays bad one game, Zappy. If Zappi plays bad, it's like

Speaker 6 you got to earn it. There's some weird stuff going on, too, because Bellevue is going to be a good one.
Maybe give him two games each.

Speaker 6 To the sideline reporter, when he was coming back out on the field, he said that we're not just going to stick with Zappy in the second half. We're going to put Mac Jones in there, too.

Speaker 6 And so he was allegedly planning on putting Mac Jones in there.

Speaker 1 And then he said the score got out of hand. And Mac Jones did say

Speaker 1 after the game that Belichick told him that there might be, they might switch up quarterbacks. Like he did give him a heads up beforehand.
He said, he actually said that.

Speaker 1 He's like, he was very transparent in that I could be taken out for Zappy. I just think the fans booing Mac Jones was.

Speaker 1 It's supposed to be Mac.

Speaker 1 That was a really shitty thing for Mac to have to do. The same shit with Mitch.
It's like

Speaker 1 you're there rooting for the team.

Speaker 1 You're not the fucking coach. Root for whoever the coach has in there.

Speaker 6 So, as the voice of Boston sports fans, Hank, you would like them to be nice to Mac.

Speaker 1 Yeah, whoever's a starter, cheer for them. Okay.
You're not

Speaker 1 a son of a balche.

Speaker 6 I can respect that.

Speaker 1 I like that. Okay, anything else from week seven that we missed?

Speaker 1 We do a little college football as well. I'm trying to think.
Oh, Oregon's back. That was nice.

Speaker 1 That's my big takeaway from college football. We have Oregon.

Speaker 1 He's back.

Speaker 6 Brian Kelly's back.

Speaker 1 Brian Kelly's back. That game was, we were at that game.
I mean, what was it? It was 17 to 3,

Speaker 1 and then they ended up winning 45 to 20. Like, that was, I feel bad because I do like Lane Kiffen, and he's a recurring guest, but Ole Miss was a big-time, like, fraud top 10.

Speaker 1 And I think a lot of people snuffed that out when they're like LSU is unranked and

Speaker 1 they're a favorite against Ole Miss. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And Brian Kelly, it turns out, is still a good coach.

Speaker 1 Very good coach.

Speaker 6 And that's never been the knock on Brian Kelly. It's never been like, oh, he can't do anything between the lines.
No, it's just like he's a weirdo that nobody likes.

Speaker 1 Right. I had that conversation with a few LSU fans over the weekend where they're like, you don't like us anymore.
I'm like, I like you guys. I just don't really like Brian Kelly.

Speaker 1 I want LSU fans to be happy. I do not, I can't root.
hard for Brian Kelly.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I don't think that anyone in Brian Kelly's life really likes him. Yeah.
I think he's just like kind of a miserable, grumpy guy, but sometimes those guys make the best football game.

Speaker 1 And he's a really fucking good coach, and his teams always get better. Like, they get better as the season goes along.
And now, like, Alabama LSU at LSU is going to be an awesome game.

Speaker 1 That game under the lights. Because if you asked us, if you asked someone in September, it's like, oh, yeah, Alabama's going to kill him.

Speaker 1 But everything we've seen from both teams means that's not, that's not even close to a gimme for Alabama.

Speaker 6 And we got to see a little bit of Baton Rouge ahead of that game, what, three years ago, four years ago?

Speaker 1 They didn't score a touchdown.

Speaker 6 They didn't score a touchdown. But the environment in Death Valley is going to be crazy.
Like,

Speaker 6 if you give people in Baton Rouge 14 hours to day drink before a game, you're walking into the jaws of hell.

Speaker 1 They were already, I mean, it was a 2.30 game on Saturday, and they were prime and ready to go.

Speaker 6 Texas is back, and by that, I mean, like, they were back to being in the discussion of being back, and then they're not back.

Speaker 1 And now they're back to maybe firing their coach.

Speaker 6 I almost guarantee they're not going to fire him.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think they're going to fire him. So the conversation has started to get.

Speaker 6 So the thing with Sarkeesian, why would you ever fire a guy that just got you Arch Manning to come to campus? The amount of money he's going to bring in is ridiculous.

Speaker 6 But he did commit, like, ironically, the one sin that they care about in Texas more than anything sometimes is he disrespected the Eyes of Texas song after the game.

Speaker 6 So, a couple years ago, some of the players wanted to get rid of the song because it traces its roots back to a minstrel show. And then all the big boosters were like, we need you, Herman.

Speaker 6 Tell the players that we're going to keep playing the Eyes of Texas. Herman fought back against them.
Then all the boosters turned on Herman.

Speaker 6 The fact that Sarkeesian didn't stay on the field for the eyes of Texas,

Speaker 6 if your name is Red McCombs, you see that and you're like, I hate this guy. Get this guy out of my face.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's not one of us.

Speaker 6 But the bottom line is, I don't think they're going to fire him.

Speaker 1 But they did play.

Speaker 6 Texas played good for the first, like, I don't know. three quarters of that game.
Listen, the fact that

Speaker 1 they're even like, I know it's probably not going to happen because Jimbo Fisher, it's so funny. Every Saturday now, his buyout just trends.

Speaker 1 And it's like, how could you feel bad for this guy? He has, I think it's 85 million if someone would have to write a check, and it's all guaranteed. So every year, I was looking at it.

Speaker 1 It was like, even in like seven years, they would still owe him like 20 million. And the record for a buyout, mind you, is 21 million, Gus Miles on at Auburn.

Speaker 1 So like he's still seven years away from the biggest buyout of all time.

Speaker 1 That is falling apart fast. They're three and four.

Speaker 1 And Shane Beamer at South Carolina basically has the same record as him in the SEC the last two years. And everyone thought Tech's A ⁇ M, all the recruits and everything.

Speaker 1 And it's now with the Transfer Portal and NIL, like half of those guys are probably going to leave. Yep.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 I would also like to acknowledge Syracuse football. Yeah.
Syracuse should have won that game. They had it.

Speaker 1 They had it. They had it.
Very disappointing.

Speaker 1 What did our guy tweet after?

Speaker 3 Oh, Sean Tucker.

Speaker 1 Sean Tucker. I love his tweets after.
Well, he just gives analysis of the guy's game. Whether or not he is satisfied with his performance.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so he said, let's see, Sean Tucker, he always gives a recap of the game on his Twitter. He said, Saturday we lost our first game.
Syracuse, 21, Clemson, 27.

Speaker 1 I'm not pleased with the outcome of the game, but now it's time to focus on winning out the rest of the season. I'm pleased with my performance, but there's more I can do and I'm healthy.

Speaker 1 Five carries, 54 yards, five receptions, 18 yards, and a TD. Oh, I didn't think he'd be pleased with his performance.
Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 Because he's had times when he's had great games and he hasn't been pleased.

Speaker 1 Huh.

Speaker 6 So now we've got a guy conversation going on in Clemson.

Speaker 1 Because

Speaker 1 DJ Uyungalle. I think that actually is a situation, though, that DJ ended up winning because Cade Klubnik didn't look incredible.

Speaker 6 Yeah, but he looked better than DJ Uyungalule.

Speaker 1 But DJ has looked better at points this season. And I think Dabo said that, that DJ is still going to be the starter.
He just was turning the ball over so much.

Speaker 1 But that was like weirdly, if Cade Klubnik had come in and lit the world on fire,

Speaker 1 it would have been over.

Speaker 6 Dabo actually, right after the game, Dabo said, I'm going to stop you right now.

Speaker 1 Yep, we don't have a quarterback controversy.

Speaker 1 He's, Dabo's a fucking weirdo. And I'm trying to think, what other big college football

Speaker 6 JMU? JMU lost. But we didn't have our starting quarterback.
Todd Santeo was out.

Speaker 6 And they waited till the last second to announce that probably because it was homecoming weekend, and they didn't want to announce it earlier in the week because then people wouldn't go to the game.

Speaker 6 So we look like we might be in bad shape next year. Maybe it was a tad early to literally start fitting people for rings, championship rings, and banners and planning pizza parties.

Speaker 1 But you know what?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would have still done the pizza.

Speaker 6 I had my heart on my sleeve. So

Speaker 6 listen, if Todds and

Speaker 6 Tayo had been healthy, we'd probably win that game against Marshall. We'd probably win against Louisville this weekend or next weekend.
So there's a lot of.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of what it could have should have. There's no shame in it.
I've started.

Speaker 1 Listen, deep down, I've started to look at

Speaker 1 how Wisconsin could somehow win the Big Ten West, which would be hard. It's a possibility.

Speaker 1 Illinois would have to lose a bunch, but yeah, Wisconsin, say something nice about Purdue. They just live to lose to Wisconsin.
16 straight. Which is quite something.

Speaker 3 There's a scenario out there with a seven-way tie of the Big Ten West?

Speaker 1 No, give it to me. I mean,

Speaker 3 it's too much to even say.

Speaker 1 But if all these things happen,

Speaker 3 everyone finishes 4-5.

Speaker 1 Oh, that would be so awesome.

Speaker 1 And a seven-way tie? What's the tiebreaker after that?

Speaker 3 That's Northwestern because they're 4-2 against the Big Ten West.

Speaker 1 Northwestern. Well, Northwestern is not going to win three games for the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right.

Speaker 1 So if they all

Speaker 1 rooting for that. I'm rooting for that.
Although I see that it has Wisconsin losing to Minnesota.

Speaker 1 I'm now back into.

Speaker 1 It's nice in college football that if your season goes to shit, it's like, just beat your rival. You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 1 that could be fine. It's pretty much what Auburn fans just do every year.
Yeah. Like, just beat Alabama and we'll be fine.

Speaker 6 Everything fixes itself at that point. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Let's do hot seat, cool thrown.
Then we have an awesome interview with John Kruck. A great interview with Jake Arieta, Breaking Down the World Series, and Taylor Heineke.

Speaker 1 One question with a quarterback.

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Speaker 1 Hank has left the studio because he was so mad about

Speaker 1 everything.

Speaker 1 Everything.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it's too bad because we just heard back, Big Cat, me and you, from Blake Griffin. Oh.

Speaker 6 So we asked Blake if maybe he had some words of encouragement for Hank because Hank's so down to the dumps right now. Yeah.
And Blake said the Celtics team is the best team that he's been on.

Speaker 6 Oh, here's Hank. He

Speaker 1 missed that. No, no, no, we won't.

Speaker 6 Sorry. No one tell Hank what no one say that to Hank.
He's just back in the room now.

Speaker 1 He has no idea what it is.

Speaker 6 Good to have you back, Hank.

Speaker 1 Hot seat, Coultron.

Speaker 6 You piece of shit.

Speaker 1 My hot seat is. I love you, Hank.
Love you too. My hot seat is Rob Plinka.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Why are you looking at me me like that?

Speaker 1 I'm waiting for the other part.

Speaker 6 We're making eye contact because we're doing a podcast. Oh, you.

Speaker 1 You're too scared to put your eyes out.

Speaker 1 He came out today. He's not defensive.
No.

Speaker 1 No, he's not.

Speaker 1 You're not defensive. I'm saying you're not defensive.

Speaker 1 You're just lashing out a little bit. No, no, no.
No, it's not defensive.

Speaker 1 Okay, my mistake. You weren't lashing out.
If I get attacked, I'm attacking back. I guess technically that's defensive.
I'm not submissive, is what you guys want me to be.

Speaker 1 Bonk.

Speaker 1 They came out today. The Jazz at one point were willing to trade Bogdanovich, Mike Conley, Rudy Gay, and first-round pick to the Lakers for Russell Westbrook in two first-round picks.
Wow.

Speaker 1 And they didn't do it. Wow.
Wow.

Speaker 6 That's embarrassing.

Speaker 1 How would the Jazz do that? Oh, I guess they're trying to tank.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the Jazz are in a weird position, right? They're doing the Danny Ainge.

Speaker 6 They might accidentally be playing too well to tank. Spurs.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Spurs are undefeated, right?

Speaker 1 No, the Jazz are undefeated. Spurs have lost once? They beat the Sixers, but

Speaker 1 what?

Speaker 1 Is that saying anything? The Jazz are just

Speaker 6 in a position where they're like, nobody told us that we're supposed to suck, so we're going to go out there.

Speaker 1 Well, it's because Danny Age hired a

Speaker 1 Celtics assistant, and he's coaching the boys up. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So Palenka did not trade Westbrook.

Speaker 6 What is it? Kirk Goldsbury had an interesting stat the other night.

Speaker 6 It was like Russell Westbrook's shot that he took on Sunday was the first shot in something something like 10 years for a player to shoot like a jump shot with a lead with less than two minutes left and more than 15 seconds left on the shot clock.

Speaker 1 It was, I mean, for whatever reason,

Speaker 1 I had the Trailblazers and the Hungry Dogs, so I was intently watching that game. I could not believe the way the last two minutes unfolded.
Like, the Lakers were dominating the game.

Speaker 1 They put Westbrook in the end, and

Speaker 1 he tanked the game.

Speaker 6 It sucks because we're not going to be able to tell the next generation that Russell Westbrook was a good player, like an awesome player at one point. No,

Speaker 1 I would retire if I were him.

Speaker 1 I would go, I would demand a trade back to Oklahoma City and play the rest of the season, get a triple-double, and retire.

Speaker 6 I would play in Tracy McGrady's one-on-one league.

Speaker 1 It is shocking. He can't shoot.
When he shoots, and you're like,

Speaker 1 you've played,

Speaker 1 I don't know, 50,000 hours of basketball. Yeah.
And the shot thing still doesn't work? Like, that just blows my mind. I've seen some Ben Simmons stats.

Speaker 1 Oh, Ben Simmons. He's like 15 points, 17 fouls.
Yeah, 14 points, 17 fouls. It turns out Ben Simmons...
That's tough. Listen,

Speaker 1 same thing.

Speaker 1 We're hoop heads here. We're ball's life.
And what we tell you, everyone needs to remember. You can listen to all the different podcasts and all the analysis.
Ball needs to go in hoop. Simple.

Speaker 1 That's rule one. It's a simple name.
That's rule one. In Russell Westbrook and Ben Simmons, they don't put ball in hoop.

Speaker 6 You got to score the basketball in the NBA.

Speaker 1 Ball goes in hoop. Figure out everything else.
It's literally why, like, why is Steph Curry have four titles? He puts ball in hoop.

Speaker 6 You know that old drill tweet? Like, keep screaming at me, it only makes my opinions worse? Yeah. That's what's happening with Russell Westbrook's jump shot.

Speaker 6 Everyone's telling you, everyone's booing you and trying to get you to stop shooting. It worked on Ben Simmons, but it's actually just making Westbrook shoot the ball more off.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he went 0 for 11 the other night.

Speaker 6 It was crazy. I hope it gets worse.
I hope he just.

Speaker 1 I feel bad for him.

Speaker 1 I don't know why. I just do.
I feel bad for him. Because I think, I don't know, I just always feel bad for any LeBron teammate.
Yeah. That's just kind of what it comes to.

Speaker 6 That has nothing to do with the abuse from fans or anything like that. It's just.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I don't even.

Speaker 1 You have to. Westbrook is a funny thing to say, and I know that he doesn't like it, but like the, yeah, just dealing with LeBron.
Well, he's a scapegoat. Right.
Every LeBron team needs money.

Speaker 1 That's probably why he got put in the game. Because LeBron's like, I'm not winning this game against the Blazers.
Let's put in Westbrook so we can all blame him. Yeah.
I wouldn't be shocked.

Speaker 6 Do you see what Ham said when they asked the coach of the Lakers, like, why

Speaker 6 is Westbrook coming off the bench? Is that possibly putting him in a position where he could get injured?

Speaker 6 Because Westbrook told the reporters that he pulled his hamstring because he's not used to coming off the bench.

Speaker 6 And then their coach had to go out there and say, as diplomatically as possible, we're not starting him because he's not good enough, but no, we're not intentionally injuring him.

Speaker 1 Right, right.

Speaker 6 So his new excuse is like, I can't score.

Speaker 1 Fun times off the table.

Speaker 1 Who do they play tonight? They play anyone tonight? Just bet against them?

Speaker 3 They're at Denver on Wednesday night. Yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, technically tonight.

Speaker 6 Nuggets going to smoke them. My Nuggets.
Get a Lakers pack. My Nugs.

Speaker 1 Deep in their family. You don't like that? You don't like that? That's good.

Speaker 1 Then my cool throwing is Billy McFarland. Yes.

Speaker 1 Firefest segment creator.

Speaker 1 He's out of jail. And he announced he's got a new festival coming.
Nice.

Speaker 1 We should go. We should perform.
We should go as a podcast.

Speaker 6 We should go. We should perform.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but we should also attend.

Speaker 6 Of course. And complain.
And sue.

Speaker 6 I would love to be a performer at this festival. There you go.
I would.

Speaker 6 I would suck a dick. You're like that guy for the pallet of water?

Speaker 1 That's me.

Speaker 6 I would be that guy to be able to perform at Billy McFarland.

Speaker 1 Long time. Yeah, Toronto.
Long time AWL, Billy McFarlane. You're listening right now.
Let's do it. Let's link up.

Speaker 1 Let's build. Yeah.
All right, PFT, your hot seat, Cool Toronto.

Speaker 6 My hot seat is Major League Rugby. Major League Rugby.

Speaker 6 We've been covering a lot of cheating scandals on this podcast recently, from the chess anal beads controversy to the Fat Bear Week, Stop the Steel voting issues.

Speaker 6 Major League Rugby,

Speaker 6 fishing, yeah, the fishing.

Speaker 6 We've just gotten word just a couple hours ago that Major League Rugby has

Speaker 6 permanently canceled two franchises, Austin and Los Angeles. Oh, no.

Speaker 6 They just closed the teams up.

Speaker 1 And I think all of them.

Speaker 1 I didn't know that there was a franchised rugby league.

Speaker 6 It's called Major League Rugby, yes, Hank. But so the Golgronis was the name of the team in Austin.
The Giltinis was the name of the team in Los Angeles.

Speaker 6 They were both owned by the same guy, which is weird. And he named the team after himself and his drink in order to promote it.
Whoa. Real weird stuff going on.

Speaker 6 Anyways, they were circumventing the salary cap, like flagrantly, to a point that it got so bad that Major League Rugby said, okay, you guys can't play in the playoffs because we found all this bad stuff about you.

Speaker 6 Oh, and also we're closing up the entire franchise in Los Angeles and Austin, and you're not moving forward as a team anymore. Pretty crazy stuff.
Death sentence. Pretty crazy stuff.
That is crazy.

Speaker 6 My hot seat. Oh, wait, my cool throne is Phil Kessel.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Phil Kessel, hockey's Iron Man. Yes.
He set the record for most consecutive games played.

Speaker 6 And Phil Kessel is, if you take one look at him, you know, like, this is what you can accomplish if you take your nutrition and your conditioning seriously as a professional athlete you can play forever so I hope that lesson is well learned on the youngsters of today because Phil Kessel is a fucking man yes it's crazy that uh he's he's gonna be hockey's Iron Man.

Speaker 1 It's Keith Yendel's who he's passing? Yeah. Yeah.
Hockey's iron.

Speaker 6 I love the picture that goes viral anytime something happens with Phil Kessel where he's holding the puck.

Speaker 1 And when he, I forget what record he set with the puck, but they photoshopped a tin of dip onto it and so it looks like he's just holding up copenhagen yes he's got the pot belly and he looks like he looks like roy from the office when he got his dui yeah i just love phil castle he's he's the man he is the man the absolute man we got to get him on the show um all right my hot seat is uh me because i actually am giving away a ps5 two of them and uh i made the joke i've been doing the hack joke for a while now i thought i was gonna have to do it when bailey zappy came in i thought i was gonna have to do it before the game started because the bears have not been good so i decided to flip it and because the Bears want them giving away two.

Speaker 1 So if you're listening to this right now, everyone had to have guessed their number. I'm going to have Billy, Billy, after the number is done.

Speaker 1 You're just going to Twitter search my name and the number that wins and then you're going to pick two random people. Okay, perfect.
That's how it's going to be done.

Speaker 1 There's 40,000 replies to the tweet. Only two of them are winning.

Speaker 1 I think I'm retiring from the PS5 game. This was a mistake.
A very big mistake. I don't even know how to get a PS5

Speaker 1 because you can't just buy them on Amazon. But yes, that's how we're going to do it.
So end of the show, listen, and those two people will be the winners. We'll announce them.

Speaker 1 My cool throne is Aaron Rodgers

Speaker 1 because his teammates suck. And that's what he said.
So it's not his fault.

Speaker 6 He said my teammates suck?

Speaker 1 Well, no, he said his exact quote was, let's see, he was on the Pat McAfee show. He said,

Speaker 1 let's see, when we had too many mental mistakes and errors on Sunday, it seems like we have double-digit mistakes every week.

Speaker 1 Guys who are making too many mistakes shouldn't be playing, got to start cutting some reps. So it's not his fault.
It's his teammate's fault.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 didn't he also say like

Speaker 6 David Battieri, some days he wakes up and he's like, okay, I can play football today. And other days he wakes up and his knee hurts so bad that he's like, I can't play.

Speaker 6 This is one of the non-football days.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. I also,

Speaker 6 that's got to be tough. We're like, just depending on what side of the bed you wake up on, you can be like an all-pro athlete.
Right.

Speaker 6 And then just other mornings you wake up and you're like, fuck this. This sucks.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm going to, we're in the truss tree, so I'm going to say something deep down that I thought on Monday night football.

Speaker 1 And I know that this will then be spun for Packers fans to be like, you can't stop thinking about us. But

Speaker 1 I definitely had the thought in the fourth quarter: like, why can't we just do this against the Packers?

Speaker 6 We could.

Speaker 1 And that

Speaker 1 it would be nice. Oh, I forgot, too.
I forgot to throw the stat back at you, Billy. God damn it.
Your analysis was so good.

Speaker 1 But because Billy did the insult stat after the Jets beat the Packers, the Bears have beaten the Patriots more times than the Jets have in the last six years.

Speaker 7 That's very fair.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's very fair.
So basically,

Speaker 1 when exactly is

Speaker 1 like, I was like, what if this happens? And then it happened. But yeah.

Speaker 7 Hopefully, in three weeks, it's a different stat.

Speaker 1 But I appreciate it. And I want it on the record.

Speaker 1 I'm not deluding myself to think the Bears are good. I'm just happy about Justin Fields.
Very happy.

Speaker 7 He's very, I mean, the designs were on me.

Speaker 1 It was good. It looked good.
It looked good. I'm happy.

Speaker 6 Those Bears could beat these Packers.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, no.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Those Bears could beat these Packers.
They could beat these Packers.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Watch out.

Speaker 7 Billy. My hot seat is Mike Evans.
So there was a video of after the game against the Panthers where an official, a line judge, gave him a piece of paper and Mike Evans wrote something on it.

Speaker 7 There was an investigation by the NFL. They thought there was an autograph seeking scandal, some sort of weird interaction, which I didn't even know the line judges weren't allowed to get autographs.

Speaker 1 But Mike Evans is saying that the line judge was giving him the number, giving giving his number to a golf pro so Mike Evans could get better at golfing right it was an autograph it was actually perfect because they were like no we've done an investigation here's what happened and it doesn't sound any different because it's like the the ref is a Texas A ⁇ M alum and Mike Evans is a Texas A ⁇ M alum and they were getting the college coach from Texas A ⁇ M golfing coach to give like they were trying to link up something with text A ⁇ M so it's like wait so this is this is just the same as an autograph it's basically a guy who went to the same college being like hey can I get your number to pass it along and do you a favor?

Speaker 6 It's better than an autograph. He's helping him out with his golf game.
It's like a million times better.

Speaker 6 I think that what players should have to do, though, after games is they should have to sign a scorecard after a loss. Like, imagine Tom Brady, or the ref walks up to him.

Speaker 6 It's like, here, you just got beaten by the Panthers, but you still have to sign off.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's just correct. You only have three points.

Speaker 6 Yeah, is that correct? Yeah. Authenticate it right here.
Okay. That'd be awesome.
Yeah, that would be sick. Hank, are you okay? Speaking is sick.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Your voice sounds better. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Your demeanor, maybe not. I need a water, Bob.
Okay, I'll get you one.

Speaker 6 Thanks, Picap.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 my cool throne is my quarterback rankings.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Sam Ellinger is now a starting quarterback as of this Sunday in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Yeah, good job. He's having a fucking

Speaker 1 show right now. You know what?

Speaker 6 This is like Billy low-key snapped when the Sam Ellinger news came out because... He's like, okay, everything I've thought has been validated.

Speaker 6 So now Billy's going to be a very dangerous weapon moving forward.

Speaker 6 All of his quarterback opinions are going to be gold. That's why he went off and delivered like a graduate-level thesis with Billy Zappi, is because he's riding high off the Sam Ellinger news.

Speaker 1 Billy, I don't want to, because I told you right away yesterday, I was like, congrats, this is huge. But you know, this is now like...
There's something to be said for your quarterback rankings.

Speaker 1 Always have Sam Ellinger and him never getting a shot. You can basically be like, I was never wrong.

Speaker 1 Now he has to play well. Yeah.
Because if he thinks, then you are wrong.

Speaker 1 The pressure has gotten bigger. I know.

Speaker 6 I haven't really accomplished anything.

Speaker 7 The Wizard of Oz, you know, we're either going to get the curtain pulled open and we're going to see that, okay, it was just the preseason, or we're going to, you know,

Speaker 1 like super right.

Speaker 6 You got to stand behind your take.

Speaker 1 No, you are. No, it's just the, like, there is.

Speaker 1 It is nice when you can be like, that guy was great and you never have to prove one way or the other. You now, like, Sam Ellinger is going to get a legit shot.

Speaker 1 Matt Ryan put out to pasture, which was, I think, good because it was painful to watch him. If he takes them to the playoffs,

Speaker 1 that would be.

Speaker 7 If he takes them to the playoffs and the Jaguars don't go to the playoffs, is that a dub?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, dude, that's a dub. Of course, it doesn't matter.
Jaguars could.

Speaker 1 If Sam Ellinger goes to the playoffs,

Speaker 1 you're in.

Speaker 7 The original take was Sam Ellinger was a better quarterback than Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 6 I think the original take was Sam Ellinger is the best quarterback in this draft.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, you, you, if Sam Ellinger even looks

Speaker 1 if If they finish above 500, I think you get a dub. Like, I think that's where the bar is.
I don't even think it's playoffs. I think if they can, they're 3-3-1 right now.

Speaker 1 If they finish the season, 9 would be 9-7-1. Yeah, they could get 100%.
9-7-1. No, 8-8-1, I don't think it's a dub because that would just be status quo of Matt Ryan.

Speaker 1 But if they go 8-9, 7-1, that's a dub for Billy.

Speaker 6 What's his war? His wins above Ryan. If that equals one, then you're good.
I think it'd be

Speaker 6 the most hilarious would be if they just came in and they went old school and just ran Jonathan Taylor 35 times a game and asked him to be a game manager.

Speaker 6 They make the playoffs, and then you can still claim he's a better quarterback than Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm hoping for. I do think he's going to look better than Matt Ryan because their offensive line is not good, and Matt Ryan's running for his life, and Sam Ellenger can actually run.

Speaker 7 It just all depends on the gate plans.

Speaker 7 If they play to his strengths, I think they have been preparing for this, waiting, coaching him up till he got to this point where they're like, okay, he's finally ready to start.

Speaker 1 That one interception interception by Matt Ryan was like such an old man.

Speaker 1 I think they just looked at that tape when he just threw like a five-yard pass in the middle of the field to a Titans player. And he's like, just stop this.

Speaker 6 Stop this. I can't decide if Billy being right about Sam Ellinger would be like the best thing for his development or the worst thing for his development.

Speaker 1 I'm rooting for his take.

Speaker 6 It could be very dangerous for this podcast if Billy really starts feeling.

Speaker 7 Well, my Bailey's happy take from before the season has come through.

Speaker 7 I always thought he had way more experience throwing the football literally that I think it would impact how he does in the NFL, and that might come true.

Speaker 1 I think this is one of those situations, PFT, we need to root for Billy,

Speaker 1 and then we'll just deal with it later. And it probably would be bad, but we'll deal with it later.
I couldn't get it. I think it would crash and burn.
I think

Speaker 1 on Sunday, Jets could lose.

Speaker 7 Sam Ellinger could throw like 10 picks.

Speaker 1 Oh, it could be a terrible, terrible debate.

Speaker 7 When does the Pats play?

Speaker 1 Oh, and then you'd have to eat the spicy sandwich. You'd probably the Jets.
Yes. So you are in.
This is maybe the biggest Sunday of your Your life.

Speaker 6 So Zappy.

Speaker 1 And the Colts play the Commanders. Yes.

Speaker 1 So this is the biggest Sunday of your life.

Speaker 7 Zappy could play horribly.

Speaker 1 No, it's Mac Jones. It's going to be Mac.
It's going to be Mac Jones.

Speaker 7 We think so?

Speaker 6 But Mac Jones, if he plays horribly, then that's good for you.

Speaker 7 No, actually, I mean,

Speaker 7 I think I got my bets in the right place because then if they play terribly, my Zappy takes bad, and Mac Jones is bad, Zappy gets in, Zappy's bad. That means the Jets have to win.
So then they win.

Speaker 1 Either way, we're going to have a Billy Parlay in the Barstall sports book. Perfect.
Colts and Jets to win. That would be great.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Okay. I agree.

Speaker 6 I think that we should encourage him along these lines because it's like, all things considered, they're much more dangerous things that Billy could become passionate about than quarterback evaluation.

Speaker 6 You know, like if it's like if somebody had gone back in time in like 1920s and been like, you know, Adolph, this art's pretty good. You should, you should probably stick with that.

Speaker 9 Jake.

Speaker 3 If the Jets and Colts win, Monday show is going to be interesting. Yeah.
And it's both of your teams, too. Yeah.
So either way, there will be blood, which is

Speaker 1 knuckle up. I'm just.
Bears could lose every game. I saw it once.
That's all I need. I'll be committed to Justin Fields for life.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 My hot seat is giving away ties.

Speaker 6 Oh, Jim Nance.

Speaker 3 This will be Jim Nance's final NCAA tournament. And as the voice of the Final Four, Iron Eagle, Syracuse's own, will be replacing him.
So, yeah. It's kind of crazy.
Yeah. Passing of the torch.

Speaker 3 It's going to be called Raspball Broadcast.

Speaker 6 It's going to be very strange not having a final forward gymnast.

Speaker 3 Well, he'll still be there. He'll be doing the trophy presentation every year.
Okay, good.

Speaker 1 It's actually similar to the conversation we were having earlier. Like, Joe Buck not being in the World Series is definitely going to bother me a little.
Yeah. I just.
Joe Davis was great.

Speaker 1 I like him.

Speaker 6 Jim Nance still. You go where to go to the masters, right?

Speaker 3 Joe Davis did not go to Syracuse. Where'd he go to school?

Speaker 1 I want to say Beloit College. Oh, what's that? It's in Wisconsin.
Beloit. Yeah,

Speaker 1 what's the sound of a fart in a toilet? That's funny.

Speaker 1 That's the point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was right. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So is he still going to be doing the Masters?

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's still doing NFL and golf.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.

Speaker 1 I am going to miss it, but I understand he's probably in the twilight of his career.

Speaker 3 That's crazy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Sad.
That will be a sad one. Yeah, but...

Speaker 3 He's got a good replacement coming his way.

Speaker 1 Nah, it's not James. Nah.
Yeah, he does. Nah.

Speaker 1 Nah. My cool.
You can't make us love stepdad.

Speaker 1 You can't. You can't.

Speaker 6 Does Eye and Eagle, does he carry around a picture in his pocket of how he likes his toast cooked?

Speaker 1 Also, it just ruins the whole like this. Did Jim Nance do that? You don't know that? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 6 Jim Nance rolls with a photograph of toast in his pocket. So when he orders toast at a restaurant, he shows it to the waitress or the waiter and says, this is how I like my toast.

Speaker 1 This is what I want. That's crazy.
Yeah. I love it, though.
And it also kind of ruins like Jim Nance season. Like, like March into April was always like, hey, let's, let's, let's go.

Speaker 1 Well, no, we'll still have it because

Speaker 1 it's not going. But it's not really.

Speaker 1 this year.

Speaker 1 What? But no, he's a trophy presentation. He'll be in the building.

Speaker 1 No, that's not. Come on.
And he's not calling the like Elite Eight either. Okay.
Yeah, he's dumb.

Speaker 3 I think he's double college basketball.

Speaker 6 I love gymnasts, but I think this is kind of horseshit what he's doing. I think you have to either get out of the Final Four all the way or you're in it all the way.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 You can't just say, I'm not going to announce the game, but then kick it to me for the trophy presentation. And that's kind of bullshit.

Speaker 1 And I'll go one further. I kind of view like the Final Four and Masters is the same of it.
Like they just kind of blend together. So you, yeah, Jim Nance, fuck you.
Wow. Dead dust.

Speaker 1 Dead dust.

Speaker 3 But you guys love him on the show.

Speaker 1 Jim Nance? Yeah, so we can tell him he's dead to us.

Speaker 6 Would we love Jim Nance on the show?

Speaker 1 Sure. I think so.
Yeah. But he's dead to us.

Speaker 6 I think he'd give an aura of class to this show.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 There's an award named after him. Oh, really? I competed in it.

Speaker 6 How did you finish?

Speaker 3 I was ninth. Ninth.

Speaker 1 I knew that. I remember that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Every year there's a rankings of the collegiate sports broadcasters, and my senior year I finished ninth.

Speaker 6 Ninth. Top 10.
I'll take that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Out of how many competition?

Speaker 1 A little bit. I mean,

Speaker 3 there's always room for improvement, but there's a lot of good competition out there.

Speaker 1 Let's have a look. How many people competed? I have no clue.
No. No.
There's probably over 100 or five.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's good. Over nine people competed.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So Jim Nance, one last dance in Houston, which is where you went to school this year.
Or where you went to school. That's where the Final Four is this year.

Speaker 1 Yes. That's right.
With Freddy Boom Boom Couples.

Speaker 3 And yes. And my Cool Thrones jackets.
I don't know if we have any in here, but new part of my take starter jackets. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Arsenal store.

Speaker 3 We have the black one and we have the blue Coors Light one.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Awesome.
I'll just say that the black jacket.

Speaker 6 Do you have the blue one?

Speaker 1 Is that on? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, there is. I got the blue one right here.

Speaker 6 The blue one's very nice.

Speaker 6 I will say the black jacket that Jake got, maybe my favorite piece of merch that we've ever put out as a podcast. Yeah.
It's that good.

Speaker 3 Very comfortable with winter coming up. Look at this.

Speaker 1 It's definitely a good addition. That's great.
Yeah. There's Lake Griffin's going to get one.

Speaker 3 There's like the

Speaker 3 beer bottle with the face on it. Yep.

Speaker 6 Yep. It's a solid jacket.
Starter just is incapable of making subpar merchandise.

Speaker 1 Yes, I'd agree.

Speaker 1 Okay. Thank you, Jake.
Let's get to our interviews. We've got John Kroc and Jake Ariana.
Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest.

Speaker 1 It is Philadelphia Phillies Legend. He also still works with the organization calling games, John Cruck.
Krucky, can we call you Crucky?

Speaker 1 Can i ask that first because yeah you can call me whatever y'all want because because we know you as crucky we know you as the legend um thanks thanks for joining us and uh congrats on on the phillies getting to the world series let's start there with just what the scene has been and you've been around this team all year uh like what has been the noticeable change that you've seen for them to get all the way to the world series for a team that was struggling to even get in the playoffs like mid-september

Speaker 9 yeah you know I

Speaker 9 it's so hard to put your finger on one thing and how this turned around for this team. But,

Speaker 9 you know,

Speaker 9 what happened in September, you know, Bryce finally came back after missing two months with the thumb, thumb, broken thumb in the surgery. Segura missed a ton of time with a broken finger.

Speaker 9 And it took a while for those two guys.

Speaker 9 you know, especially Bryce. Bryce really struggled after coming off the injured list.

Speaker 9 But man, once this postseason started, you know,

Speaker 9 I always think that, you know,

Speaker 9 when you're playing postseason baseball, if your best players are playing good, which the Phillies players are, you know, you got a chance.

Speaker 9 And, you know, besides the one hiccup from Aaron Nolan, game two against the Padres, Aaron's been great. He exercised those September demons, thank God.

Speaker 9 And Wheeler's been just unbelievable this whole postseason. But, you know, that's what it takes.

Speaker 9 They got lucky that they have gotten to set up their rotation where Wheeler and Nolan can go games one and two

Speaker 9 in the series that they've played in. So,

Speaker 9 you know, and it's going to turn out that way, too, in the World Series. So they're lucky that way to be able to set up their rotation coming in as the third wildcard team.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I used to love watching you play back in the day.

Speaker 6 The 90s Phillies teams were a lot of fun. The characters on that team, yourself, Lenny Dykes for a recurring guest of the show, Darren Dalton, Mitch, Wild Thing.

Speaker 6 Do you see any similarities between this Phillies team to the way that you guys used to play?

Speaker 9 Yeah, I really do.

Speaker 9 You know, I think

Speaker 9 we didn't have the power that this team has, but our situational hitting, our basic offensive fundamentals were better than what they have

Speaker 9 on this team currently. But, you know, you know what I really think

Speaker 9 turned this team around is, and I say older guys, I mean, Bryce just turned 30. I think Real Mutos just turned 30.
So they're not old guys,

Speaker 9 but the young guys, the Stotts, the Vierlings, the Maytons,

Speaker 9 they brought in a whole different energy for this team. And I think the older guys are feeding off these young players, Alec Bohem's, another one, that are feeding off these young kids' energy.
And

Speaker 9 it's a wonderful thing to see because

Speaker 9 these young kids at the bottom, they're hitting in the bottom of the lineup, but they're getting on base. They're producing.

Speaker 9 Stott and Marsh and those guys,

Speaker 9 most teams, when you get to eight, nine, okay, if we get something out of them, where we feel good about it. But, you know, their bottom,

Speaker 9 I mean, my God, I think their best personal, their best overall hitter about, you know, going the other other way average-wise is Gene Segura. He hits eighth.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 So, I mean, the bottom of the lineup's done, done a lot, but I really think, you know, what they call the daycare, the young kids, I think has infused some energy in these guys.

Speaker 9 And, you know, Dave Dombrowski said something the other day about Kyle Schwarber.

Speaker 9 And he said, Kyle Schwarber, when he walked in that clubhouse, reminded me when he traded for Darren Dalton when he was with the Marlins in 97, and they ended up winning the World Series.

Speaker 9 He said when Darren Dalton walked in that room after getting a trade, he said, we had a leader.

Speaker 9 And I think Kyle Schwarber has, and he compared Kyle Schwarber to Darren. And so that's like the hugest compliment you can get.
But,

Speaker 9 you know,

Speaker 9 you didn't see it last year. You didn't see it.
And I've told some of these guys, you know, I hated watching them the last few years. You know, they pay us to watch them.

Speaker 9 But I hated watching them as it was strikeout or home run pop up. I mean, it was boring as hell.

Speaker 9 But, you know, I think Kevin Long coming in, they changed their offensive philosophy as far as, you know, they're aggressive early.

Speaker 9 They're not taking strike one, strike two, and then going to battle after getting 0-2.

Speaker 9 These pitchers are too good now. You can't just let them, you know, especially, you know, in this division, you're facing the Braves and the Mets a ton like the Phillies have to, and even the Marlins.

Speaker 9 You know, if you let those guys, you let Scherzer deGrom and Alcantra and,

Speaker 9 you know,

Speaker 9 any of the Braves pitchers, really, you let them get strike one, you might as well walk back to the dugout and put your bat away because you're just wasting your time.

Speaker 9 You know, they're going to eventually get you out.

Speaker 9 And, you know, but I love what Kevin Long has done as far as making these guys, not making, but encouraging them to be more aggressive early in the count. And you see Bryce.

Speaker 9 uh Castellanos, Schwerber will take pitches, but every once in a while he'll jump that first one. And

Speaker 9 it's just more fun baseball to watch this year than it has been any other year I've been a part of this organization.

Speaker 1 So you bring up a couple of years ago, and you were very vocal. I appreciate that because a lot of times

Speaker 1 guys who are getting paid by the organization are not going to be as vocal or is as critical.

Speaker 1 Was there ever an awkward moment where someone in the clubhouse was like, hey, Kruck, like, you know, fuck you, man. Like, what's your deal?

Speaker 1 Or has anyone, has anyone been like, hey, I remember a couple of years ago, or are you just maybe vindicated by everything you said?

Speaker 9 Well, I will tell you this.

Speaker 9 I've never, like Bryce and I talk a lot.

Speaker 9 And,

Speaker 9 you know, I don't think these guys, I think they understand that, yes, they were playing boring baseball and it was tough to watch the last few years.

Speaker 9 I've only had one guy ever say something to me about some of the things I've said.

Speaker 9 And I thought to myself, well, that's odd. I don't remember saying anything negative about this guy or whoever after a game.
And, you know, come to find out he had the wrong damn guy.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 9 you know, so I'm like,

Speaker 9 but no, you know what? The players know, you know, the guys that have been around, Reese, you know, Bryce, JT, you know, guys that have been around a while, Aaron Nola, Zach,

Speaker 9 they know that

Speaker 9 that's, this is the way I am. And I'm, you know, and, you know, if they don't play the game the right way, then it it has to be said.
You know, I commented on Bryce this year.

Speaker 9 He hit a ball off the wall. He had to stretch it into a double, bang, bang, play.
They had a review. They called him safe.

Speaker 9 You know, and I said it on the air. I said, you know, that's not winning baseball.
You got to run. You know, you can't assume that it's going to be a home runner.

Speaker 9 You can't assume it's going to be caught. You know, if the player catches it, that stops you, right? But you run hard till he catches it.
And

Speaker 9 you know what? The next day, Bryce said, you know what? You're right.

Speaker 9 That was not the right way to prepare a right way to play the game. And so, you know, I think these guys get it.
I think,

Speaker 9 well, I'll tell you this. This group right now that they have on their playoff roster, these guys understand

Speaker 9 and they're proving it.

Speaker 9 And look, they're going to make mistakes. They're going to make errors.
They're going to make base running mistakes. Every team does it.

Speaker 9 But they're playing more winning baseball right now than any other time I've seen them.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Um, I want to talk about some of your career, if we could, for a little bit. I missed the mullet.
You don't have the mullet anymore, do you?

Speaker 9 Oh, man.

Speaker 9 You know what? I had it going all summer. I didn't cut my hair.
Like, I'll get the clippers and do the sides because just I hate hair on my ears.

Speaker 9 And so after the season was over, I come home and my daughter is a senior in high school.

Speaker 9 And she had her senior night for volleyball, right?

Speaker 9 So I think it was on a Thursday. And so Monday, when I got home after the season was over, she said, you got to do me a favor.
And I said, yeah, whatever. What do you need?

Speaker 9 She said, there's no way you're walking me out on the court with that care.

Speaker 9 So I had to get a haircut for her. And so it's short, but man, I had one roll with, man.
It was, it was getting there.

Speaker 9 I mean, it was long, like when I took a shower, you know, you can shake your head, you can feel the water going everywhere. And I say, yes, I'm back in the the 90s, man.

Speaker 9 But man, she put a she put a halt of that quick.

Speaker 1 It was a great-looking mullet, it really was.

Speaker 6 Great mullet. That whole everybody on that team, it was kind of like a bunch of lovable dirt bags, a little bit.
And you guys were really fun to watch.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 6 I read a story earlier today about how you quit, how you decided to walk away, how you retired from baseball.

Speaker 6 You walked away on your own terms, but I wanted to hear you tell the story because I read like a 20-year-old article, and I'm not so sure that that they got everything correct.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 9 you know,

Speaker 1 I went.

Speaker 9 So I told Jim Abbott, they were talking about trading, and Jim was our best pitcher. So I told him one day on a bus, I said, Hey,

Speaker 9 you know, this is after a few adult beverages. And I probably shouldn't have said it, but I told him and I said, you know, If they trade you, that means that other guys are going to get traded and

Speaker 9 the White Sox are going to be back to a rebuilding phase. And I said, if you get traded, I'm going to retire.
Because I had gone to see a doctor, and I was,

Speaker 9 I knew after the season, I was going to have to have like my 10th knee surgery.

Speaker 9 And so I went to an orthopedic doctor in Baltimore when we got there. And he, you know, they did an MRI and whatever.

Speaker 9 And he said, you know, we have the one more surgery we have to do, but when we do it, you're done playing.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 9 prior to that, I had told Jim, and

Speaker 9 it was Jim Ozzie Guillen, who I love. Oh, I love all these guys.
Kurt McCais, Caskell, Scott Radinsky, and Robin Ventura.

Speaker 9 So we go up to Jim Abbott's room when we go to, I think we landed in Boston, and Jim Abbott had been, we found out after we got to the hotel that Jim Abbott was traded.

Speaker 9 So we all go up to his room, you know, we're drinking beer, whatever.

Speaker 9 And Abby looks at me and he goes, hey, you're going to hold true to to what you said i'm like oh man i don't who knows what the hell i said you know but

Speaker 9 you you tell me what did i say he said well you said if i got traded to retire i said yeah screw it i'm done i can't i couldn't hardly move anymore i wanted to play

Speaker 9 i would have loved to play two or three more years

Speaker 9 but you know with my health and my needs or whatever i just i just couldn't do it So, you know, these geniuses all decided, well, we're going to come up with a plan, a creative way for you to retire.

Speaker 9 I said, hey, whatever y'all decide, I'm in. Because at this point, I don't really give a rat's ass.

Speaker 9 And so

Speaker 9 they started talking. They come up with different ideas.
They said,

Speaker 9 how about you just get a base hit, you call timeout and walk off the field?

Speaker 9 I'm like, I said, yeah, I can do that. No big deal.
So we're in Boston. three games and

Speaker 9 I'm waiting to get a hit. They actually called up a guy too, uh, to take my place.

Speaker 9 I had to tell, I had to tell the general manager, uh, Ron Schwarz and Terry Bevington was a manager. So I had to tell them what was going on.

Speaker 9 So they called up this player that was going to take my place as soon as I retired.

Speaker 9 And so we're up in Boston. First game, over.

Speaker 9 Second game, over.

Speaker 9 Third game, over. And I'm like, oh, crap.
So I got, now I got to go to freaking Baltimore.

Speaker 9 And it was awful. I didn't think I'd ever get another hit the rest of my life, to be honest with you.
So I thought, you know, I grew up not far from Baltimore. I know my parents are going to be there.

Speaker 9 They'll come down to watch the games with some buddies of mine. And,

Speaker 9 you know, if I can get a hit, I'll just, you know, shit can it and go home with them, go back to West Virginia.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 9 Big move. So Friday night or Friday, I had lunch with my mom and dad.
And I said, hey, I just want to let y'all know, if I get a hit hit and you see me walk off the field, I'm retired.

Speaker 9 And my dad's like,

Speaker 9 it is my dad, perfect. And I guess I can curse, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, shit. Fuck.

Speaker 9 Okay, good.

Speaker 9 So my dad looked at me, and in his

Speaker 9 beautiful wisdom that he possessed, he said, well, get that fucker today

Speaker 9 because it's supposed to be hotter than shit all weekend. And I ain't sitting out in the hot waiting for you to get a damn hit.

Speaker 1 Wow, there's pressure there. That's incredible

Speaker 9 so friday night in baltimore i got nothing over again well this poor guy that they called up i can't remember who it was now every day it asked me hey today you think today's the day yeah i wouldn't count on it because this guy's waiting to get on put on a major league roster right

Speaker 9 and i'm like man i wouldn't count on it today saturday it was so bad that Bevington, Terry Bevington called me in. He said, he goes, he goes, I can't play.

Speaker 1 You're off.

Speaker 9 He said, I'm giving you a day. He said, You'll play Sunday, though.
And I'm like, Oh, okay, whatever. Well, I ended up pinch hitting that night.

Speaker 9 He struck out, got kicked out of the game. Probably would have gotten suspended because I told you I was going to find him after the game and kill him,

Speaker 9 which I shouldn't have said. I don't even know the guy, but

Speaker 9 you know, that just came out.

Speaker 9 So

Speaker 9 Doug Jones was a closer for the Orioles, and Doug was with the Phillies the year before with us.

Speaker 9 And so I see Doug, and we're talking. And Doug's like, so how you been? I said, Doug, you've seen me the last two nights.
And I said, matter of fact, you struck me out. I don't think I swung.

Speaker 9 I said, when's the last time you've ever seen that? And he said, yeah, he said, said, yeah, our sky report said you're struggling a little bit. We're going to challenge you.
I said, challenge me.

Speaker 9 He said, all you got to do is put it on a T and I'll make it out.

Speaker 9 So I asked him, I said, I said, who's pitching Sunday?

Speaker 9 And he said, Scott Erickson. I said, is he a good guy? He said, oh, yeah, he's a really good guy.
I said, will you do me a favor? I said, we suck.

Speaker 9 I can't get a hit.

Speaker 9 I don't want to go back to Chicago. I want to go home.
He goes, what the hell are you talking about? I said, well, if I can get another hit, I'm retired.

Speaker 9 He said, all right. He said, I said, so I said, can you tell Scott Erickson to throw me just a nothing BP fastball right down the middle so I can try to get this hit and get the hell out of here?

Speaker 9 And so he said, I tell you what. He said, I'll talk to him.
I'll talk to him tomorrow before the game. And when you're coming up the bat, look in the dugout.

Speaker 9 And if I'm tipping my hat, he said, that means he's in, he's on board. I'm like, oh, man, thank God.
Man, I'm in the on-deck circle. I don't see Doug Jones anywhere in the dugout.

Speaker 9 And I'm like, oh, God, I'm on my own.

Speaker 9 And so I'm walking up and I'm like probably five feet from the batter's box. And I see Jonesy come flying down, right?

Speaker 1 You know, tipping his hat like this.

Speaker 9 And I'm like, oh, oh, thank God.

Speaker 1 And he did.

Speaker 9 He threw me a

Speaker 9 BP fastball. I got the dog crap jammed out of me and hit a little blooper over Cal's head for a base hit.

Speaker 9 So I'm on first base.

Speaker 9 Now, the only people that know this, that I'm retiring and walking off the field, was, of course, the guys in the room, Ozzie, Kurt, Scott Radinsky, and those guys, and Abby, of course. And

Speaker 9 so so

Speaker 9 the first base coach, Ron Papajack, Ron Jackson, you know, and Rafael Pomero's playing first.

Speaker 9 Frank Thomas starts coming out of the third base dugout. Frank's going to run for me.
Now, first time in the history of baseball, Frank Thomas has ever pinned

Speaker 1 someone.

Speaker 9 And I thought, well, I can't be this first one.

Speaker 9 So, you know, Rafi and Papajack are asked me, they said, what the hell's going on? I said, oh, I'm done. I'm retired.
And Rafa goes, man, he goes, you're hitting 320. Why not?

Speaker 9 And I said, yeah, but it's a weak ass 320. And I can't, I said, it's gotten to the point, Rocky, where when I get on base, I pray someone doesn't hit one in the gap.

Speaker 9 So I have to run because I couldn't hardly run anymore. I couldn't hardly move.

Speaker 9 And I said, I can't keep rooting against my teammates. But I said, four or five of them came up with this damn idea to get a hit and walk off.

Speaker 9 So Frank now is doing the stutter step because he sees me talking to these guys and he's taking a step out, taking a step back.

Speaker 9 I mean, he looked like a you know, someone that does that recording of someone taking a step, moving back, taking a step, moving back. I mean, he looked like a cartoon kind of thing.

Speaker 9 So, I forget who's hitting after me, but they swung at the first pitch and kind of base hit the left field. Oh, and so now I'm like, crap, now I'm on second.
And I said, Well, you know what?

Speaker 9 What the hell? I'll talk to Cal, you know, wish him luck on the streak and all that stuff. And, you know, it's a pleasure playing against him.
You know, so Cal and I are BS. And next guy flies out.

Speaker 9 I go run, say goodbye to Cal. I run the third, right in the dugout, right up in the clubhouse.

Speaker 9 Ozzy Guienne is in there waiting for me with the bottle of champagne because Ozzie and I came up through the Pythi organization. I've known Ozzie since he was 16.

Speaker 9 I know his whole family. They call me Uncle Joe.
I mean, it's Ozzie and I are so close, it's scary.

Speaker 9 And so Ozzie had a bottle of champagne and I had a note for the media for Ozzie to give to the media after the game.

Speaker 9 And so,

Speaker 9 you know, we toasted, you know, and everyone says, oh, you knew you needed one hit to hit 300. I was hoping to get that damn hit in Boston and hit 301.
Who gives a crap?

Speaker 9 Like, what's the difference at that point? You know, if I, if protecting a 300 batting average was my goal, I'd have retired in Boston.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Before I went over, whatever up there.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 9 And so I drove home.

Speaker 9 because i grew up two hours two and a half hours from baltimore so i drove home i go to my house i turn on tv and i'm watching the rest of the game and our announcers are like yeah we don't know what happened we we know he was limping but we haven't got a report yet but we think it's a hamstring

Speaker 9 no it's a career yeah yeah i said no it was it was more than a hamstring it was an entire body saying screw it i'm done so i get uh about two weeks after all this

Speaker 9 i get a phone call from my agent And he says, hey, he goes, I was away on vacation. He said, I've just checked all the box scores.
He said, are you hurt? Are you on the disabled list at the time?

Speaker 9 And I said, no, why? He said, well, how come you ain't been playing? And I said, oh, crap, I forgot to tell you I'm retired.

Speaker 9 And he goes, he goes, well, isn't that something you should have ran past me? I said, you weren't going to change my mind. Yeah.
That's just the way it was.

Speaker 9 But, you know, my dad was happy because I got to hit my first impatient. It was, it was like 100 degrees in Baltimore.
And he was so happy.

Speaker 9 Like, he goes, he he goes man i didn't want to sit there and sweat my ass off i need to get the fuck home yeah

Speaker 9 i'm like so did i yeah what a story incredible yeah i mean that's

Speaker 9 here's the thing i never thought of here's the thing i never thought thought of with all these great plans no one came up with the thought how the hell am i going to get all my shit back from chicago yeah yeah

Speaker 9 so my dad's like i asked him i said i said i got to go out to chicago he said oh what the hell i'll go with you so me and him a couple my buddies drove out to Chicago like a couple days later, went to my apartment, a condo I had rented, got all my stuff.

Speaker 9 Actually, I had a car, my car there too. No, I was using Ozzy's car.
Ozzy gave me a truck to use. Purple with pink running

Speaker 9 lights on the running board. I'm like, this salsa music.
I didn't know how to turn off the freaking radio. Oh, man, I'm driving through Chicago on that thing, man.

Speaker 9 And people probably look at me like, what the hell is wrong with this crazy phone?

Speaker 1 That's incredible. That's fantastic.

Speaker 6 It sounds like you knew you wanted to walk away and and you picked your time you went out on your own terms did you ever regret did you ever later on that season you wake up one day knees feeling all right and you're like you know i could i could still get out there no you know what i i i actually after i got back from chicago retrieving all my stuff

Speaker 9 uh i went back to baltimore to get that surgery and the doctor said look here's the thing once i do it you're done playing you can't run anymore and i said i couldn't run anyway what the hell's the difference now

Speaker 9 he said no he said you're done he said so you got to make decisions do you want to get this surgery and knowing that your career is over or if you're thinking about coming back i said doc you can do that son of a bitch today yeah

Speaker 9 because i am done playing and i you know what i the only thing i look back on and regret is i wish I would have taken better care of myself after surgery.

Speaker 9 I wish I'd have done all the rehab I was supposed to do, but I just wanted to play. Like I I had one knee surgery, and you know, once I came off the 15-day disabled list, I was in the lineup.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Like 10 days, 12 days in, I was in AAA rehab playing on turf. Dumbest damn thing I've ever done because my knee never got better.
It just kept getting worse after that. But I just wanted to play.

Speaker 9 I didn't want to sit there and have some trainer tell me, you know, you got to do 15 of these quad strengthening crap. And, you know, I just wanted to go do my normal stupid stretch and go play.

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Speaker 1 Question about your career and

Speaker 1 you know, you had a fantastic career, but you had one year that things didn't go so well. And I think you have the greatest excuse of all time.
Your roommates were bank robbers, correct?

Speaker 1 Is that how it went? And then you essentially, the FBI approached you and was like, Hey, do you know these guys? You're like, Yeah, those are my roommates.

Speaker 1 And you spent the entire year worrying that your former roommates were going to come find you.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I was staying at a different hotel every night. Uh, I stayed with Randy Reddy some because Randy and I, you know, are like brothers.

Speaker 9 So, you know, he was the only one on the team that i told now i was really close with tony gwynn

Speaker 9 uh

Speaker 9 uh but i didn't want to tell tony or anyone else i just kept it to myself but it it was it was scary you know

Speaker 9 you know the fbi first of all these guys in suits come in the locker room i'm getting ready to go out for batting practice And these guys are like, hey, we need to talk to you. I said, yeah, sit down.

Speaker 9 I said, I got a couple of minutes. I got to go out for batting practice.
He said, no, you don't. I'm like, what the frick is going on? He said, We got to go in this other room.

Speaker 9 I'm like, I ain't going to no other room. I said, This is where I talk to everyone.
They said, No, this is this is nothing to do with baseball. We're going in another room.
Now I'm like, Okay,

Speaker 9 crap. You know, I

Speaker 9 pension for drinking beer after games. I wonder if I did anything really stupid.

Speaker 9 And I'm, you know, once they show me their badge, I'm like, oh my god, and I'm thinking to myself, what the hell did I do? Right.

Speaker 9 Uh,

Speaker 9 you know, because I've done some stupid things. I didn't think it was FBI worthy, but you know, who knows?

Speaker 9 So, you know, they told they showed me pictures of one of the guys, you know, surveillance or not, you know, hidden camera bank surveillance pictures, you know.

Speaker 9 And at first, I said, no, I don't know this dude. And

Speaker 9 the guy goes, take a look again. And I'm like, okay, these guys are serious, man.
They're not playing with,

Speaker 9 they're not taking my game seriously.

Speaker 9 And so I looked at the picture and

Speaker 9 man,

Speaker 9 and I love this guy, but he had a hat on that said,

Speaker 9 American by birth, West Virginian by the grace of God.

Speaker 1 And he wore it all the time.

Speaker 9 I was like, oh, crap. I'm like, man,

Speaker 9 I can't even hide this one. So I said, yes, I do know who that is.
He said, well, his girlfriend, his ex-wife, they've all identified it. I'm like, good.
So I'm not the one. that,

Speaker 9 you know, ratted him out or whatever. Well, apparently someone told him

Speaker 9 that I was the one who called the FBI. I was the one who turned him in.

Speaker 9 And so the guys from the FBI are, you know, they're calling me all the time. Did you see him? Or when you're on the road, call me, call us if you see him, because

Speaker 9 we have

Speaker 9 some informants or some people that are telling us that he's looking for you and whatever. Well, apparently.
Apparently they

Speaker 9 caught the one,

Speaker 9 Roy Lee, Plumber,

Speaker 9 like a mile from my house in San Diego. And I was told, and I, of course, I never talked to him about it.
I did talk to him after he was,

Speaker 9 you know, went to trial, whatever, and was incarcerated. He called me one night or one afternoon, and we talked for a long time.
And it was good to talk to him to get everything cleared up. But

Speaker 9 yeah,

Speaker 9 he just, you know.

Speaker 9 I was told that

Speaker 9 he told someone, his girlfriend, ex-wife, or whatever, that

Speaker 9 after he was told that I was the one who turned him in, that he was going to come out and kill me.

Speaker 1 Jeez.

Speaker 9 And so apparently I got a call from the FBI one day and he said, hey, we got him. I said, oh, good.
I said, I said, where was he? Because

Speaker 9 I'm calling the FBI almost every day, having to tell them if I've seen him, if I've heard from him, whatever.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 so I said, where'd you get him? He said, a mile from your house. And he had a rifle and a couple pistols in his car.
And I knew he carried because

Speaker 9 my God, I've known him my whole life.

Speaker 1 Well, he's a bank robber, too. So, yeah.
Of course he did. Yeah.

Speaker 9 But, you know, he was such an upstanding citizen back where we grew up. You know, he's a Sunday school teacher.
He had his own insurance comp business.

Speaker 9 You know,

Speaker 9 he did a bunch of stuff for people. I mean, he was just, he just lost it.
You know, and that's what drugs do to you, I guess.

Speaker 9 I mean, he got hooked on drugs and he was going to do anything he can to get drugs which meant robbing banks

Speaker 9 uh but uh yeah so the guy said he caught him like a mile from my house and like i said after he was incarcerated i think he was in kentucky 16 years

Speaker 9 uh but then he got out uh you know the weird part he got out and my nephew called me lived in fairmont west virginia And he said, I hate because you're never going to believe who I met at the bank today.

Speaker 9 I said, I said, oh no no way

Speaker 9 he said he said i met roy lee plumber's wife and i'm like where did you meet her he said she's the bank manager at the bank i bank at here in here in fairmont well apparently met this woman he married her

Speaker 9 and

Speaker 9 you know again

Speaker 9 he was fine for years got off drugs whatever you know when he was in prison he got to rehab and whatever and you know he was working on his sister's farm, taking care of his sister's farm for him, for her and her husband.

Speaker 9 And, you know, I really thought he turned his life around. And then he just, he lost it again.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 I remember I was driving down to fantasy camp. My mom called me

Speaker 9 and

Speaker 9 she said, hey, Roy, Roy Plumber's dead. And I said, what do you mean he's dead? They said, well, apparently he robbed a bank.
Cops chased him.

Speaker 9 They had him. He was on a train trestle tracks, you know,

Speaker 9 on a like a little bridge, police on both sides. He had nowhere to go, and he just killed himself.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 9 yeah, you know, it was,

Speaker 9 I, I,

Speaker 9 you know,

Speaker 9 it was sad, but, you know, he can't hurt anyone.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 9 Like, he, apparently, he threatened to kill his ex-wife and her kids and kidnap them. And I mean, it was just, he just went off the deep end again with the drugs and everything.
And I just,

Speaker 9 you know,

Speaker 9 I felt for him, but then, you know, deep down, you're kind of happy that he can't hurt anyone.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
And you, and you had a whole season of living with.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's a crazy story. It's a crazy, crazy story.

Speaker 9 You know, you know, a

Speaker 9 2-0-3-1 ground out to second didn't bother me.

Speaker 1 And that's when I knew I was,

Speaker 9 I, there was other things on my mind because normally that's a go up in the tunnel, uh, you know, break your helmet, break your bat type thing. Right.

Speaker 9 And then Gary, and then Gary Templeton looked at him and goes, Man, fat boy, why don't you just admit the fact that you can't hit?

Speaker 1 Oh, God.

Speaker 6 Man, we got to have you in the studio at some point or do this in person because there's a million other things.

Speaker 1 Where are y'all at? We're in New York City. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Well, I think I get to travel next year to do games.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, you got it.

Speaker 6 You got to stop paying because there's a million other things I want to ask you about. The one last thing I'll ask you about right now, though, is Mitch Williams, Wild Thing,

Speaker 6 one of the iconic pitchers of the early 90s, Philly's legend. He saved your life in a way, didn't he?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 9 he thinks he did.

Speaker 9 You know, I would have, I would have preferred to find out a different way than getting hit in the nuts by 90s-something skipping up the wet grass in Los Angeles. Uh,

Speaker 9 but I would have preferred he throw it through a chest type to me.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Uh, you know, that would have been better than, you know, trying to block it and taking one off the goobs, man.

Speaker 9 It broke my cup.

Speaker 9 And,

Speaker 9 you know, it was

Speaker 9 quite large. My right testicle

Speaker 9 was really large at the time.

Speaker 9 Hurt like hell, too.

Speaker 9 But I was afraid to go to a doctor because

Speaker 9 you know, I didn't know, I didn't want them to tell me something bad. So I ignored it.
it.

Speaker 9 I tried to ignore it all winter too. Like, like now I'm in the winter of West Virginia.
It's colder than hell. And I'm wearing shorts with no underwear.
I couldn't wear underwear.

Speaker 9 I mean, it hurts so damn bad to do anything, like

Speaker 9 to bend over, to do anything. It hurt like hell and really got

Speaker 9 like, like I would throw up at times because it would hurt my stomach so bad. So I go to spring training.
I'm thinking, all right, I'm just going to ignore this pain and fight through it.

Speaker 9 well you know you're wearing a cup you're taking grounders every day

Speaker 9 i mean that it was freaking brutal the pain so finally they said look we're going to send you so i go to a hospital in in in clearwater tampa wherever and they did an ultrasound they did

Speaker 9 something else hematoma just the hematoma we're you know nothing you can't do nothing

Speaker 9 all right whatever so keep taking anti-inflammatories i'm like oh yeah these things help me

Speaker 9 but so i go back to spring training the next day same thing field and grounders upset stomach i go in the dugout throw up um

Speaker 9 and so uh

Speaker 9 bill giles the owner lee thomas general manager said

Speaker 9 bill giles was the one he said listen he said we're we're we're gonna fly you up to philly you're gonna go to jefferson hospital and you're gonna go to the best whatever neuro urologist

Speaker 9 in the city. And we got an appointment and you're going to go there and get checked because

Speaker 9 you can't continue going through like this.

Speaker 9 I said, all right. So I fly up to Philly.
I go to this doctor and the doctor ran all these tests again, probably afternoon, early afternoon. And he said,

Speaker 9 he said,

Speaker 9 hey.

Speaker 9 He said, all it is is a hematom. He said, you have nothing going on.
He said, just keep taking anti-inflammatory.

Speaker 9 I'm like, man, and I think I'm puking because these damn anti-inflammatories having to take, you know, one or two every damn day. Those things aren't conducive to having a good stomach.

Speaker 9 So I said, listen, I said, I want you to do the surgery and remove my right testicle. He said, ain't no way I'm doing that.

Speaker 9 And I said, I said, well, I said, listen, I said, we're the defending National League champions. I said, I said, I need to play.

Speaker 9 So I need you to take this out because I can't play like this.

Speaker 9 And he said, I tell you what. He said, go for a walk, go have lunch or something, go for a walk.
And if you feel this strongly, then I'll do it. I walked out the hallway, walked down the hall.

Speaker 9 You turned back. I said, Doc, let's fucking go.

Speaker 1 Jesus. And so he said, all right.

Speaker 9 Well, here's a, here's a,

Speaker 9 this is, this is when you know you've lived a really screwed up life.

Speaker 9 So I get the surgery, right?

Speaker 9 I'm in the hospital next day, you know, next morning. Well, that night, a young guy came in, a young doctor came in and he said, oh, surgery went well, everything's fine.
I said, so I'm good.

Speaker 9 He goes, yeah, yes, surgery went good, everything's good. All right, good.
I'm thinking, all right, maybe it was just a hematoma thing.

Speaker 9 And then I asked, I said, did they put like a prosthetic in, like a marble or something, so my weight distribution's okay?

Speaker 9 And they said, no, we don't do that. I'm like, oh, shit.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 9 I used to be lopsided for a while. So I have to figure this out.

Speaker 9 So the next morning, the nurse comes in and she starts to wheel me out of the room. And I'm like,

Speaker 9 I said, excuse me, where are we going? She said, oh, we got to do a lymph angiogram to see if the cancer spread. I'm like, what?

Speaker 9 They said, yeah, we got to see if the cancer spread.

Speaker 9 I said, now, what cancer would that be? They said, well, you have to stick your cancer.

Speaker 9 When we ran the test on your testicle,

Speaker 9 you have cancer. Jeez.
And I'm like, holy shit.

Speaker 9 So, you know, and I said, why didn't that doctor last night tell me? He said, oh my God. He said, he's young.
He's a big Phillies fan.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 9 he was afraid to tell you.

Speaker 9 I'm like, what the hell was I going to do? Jump up and punch him?

Speaker 9 Like, it's your fault that I have cancer. I mean, come on.
So, anyway, so what they do, they cut the top of your feet. They pull up a blood vessel and they shoot dye in the blood vessel.

Speaker 9 It goes up through your body to see if the cancer spreads. So now both my feet are cut open.
I had a pair of running shoes. I had to cut the tongue out just so I could wear shoes.

Speaker 9 Because, like, the hotel that the Phillies put me up in was only like a couple blocks from

Speaker 9 the hospital. So I would walk

Speaker 9 to the hospital, get my treatments five days a week, and walk back to the hospital, or walk back to the hotel, you know, throw up and all that crap and basically lay down and sleep the rest of the day.

Speaker 9 And

Speaker 9 the first night after I got back to the hotel, after they did this lymph angiogram, they cut both feet open. I mean, they cut them open from one side to the other.
So there's, you know, it's probably,

Speaker 9 well, I'm trying to look at it now. It's probably like a four or five inch scar on my foot.

Speaker 9 The first night I'm in the hotel. Now, Bill Giles, I love Bill Giles.

Speaker 9 Bill put me up in the suite up in the top floor, beautiful suite. And, you know, I was there for 30 damn days.

Speaker 9 that got to cost him a fortune but i was very appreciative and uh like i need a suite i all i did was watch tv lay in the bed and go puke so i had everything i needed in a regular room but the suite i guess let's make a little further walk to the bathroom but i was appreciative anyway first damn night fire kitchen fire

Speaker 9 i had to walk all the way down those steps

Speaker 9 after just getting my feet cut open.

Speaker 9 I looked down at my feet and I told you, I cut the tongues out of my shoes. I didn't have socks on.

Speaker 9 And I was looking down and both feet are covered in, both shoes are covered in blood, ripped open the stitches, you know, walking down the step.

Speaker 9 So I'm like, well, I don't know how long I'm going to be here, but I just, I walked back to the hospital, walked in the emergency room.

Speaker 9 Luckily, someone recognized me, doctor, the nurse, the emergency room. And he said, what's going on? I said, I think I need to get the restitched.
And they looked down. They're like, oh, my my God.

Speaker 9 They say, yeah, we got to do that. So then luckily they re-stitched them and everything was fine after that.
But yeah, it was good. It's a bit crazy, man.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 6 you had the right, yeah, well, nut.

Speaker 1 Nut.

Speaker 6 Yeah. You had, you had the right thought, which was like your body was telling you something's wrong.

Speaker 6 And even though the doctors are saying, like, hey, it looks like it might just be a bruise, you were like, I will literally give my right nut to play baseball.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Well, yeah. I, yeah.
I,

Speaker 1 yeah, you know, yeah,

Speaker 1 you're trying to like make it sound like maybe not, but yes, that's what you said. You're like, where there's a defending NL champion, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 I mean, there, there was no way I could have played that way, there's no way,

Speaker 9 and I knew it wasn't going to get better.

Speaker 9 The problem was, is because I waited, because doctors told me it was just a hematomin, I waited, you know, after they did that lymph angiogram, I did have swelling in my or spreading, cancer spreading in my stomach.

Speaker 9 So I had to do, instead of 20 radiation treatments, they had to do 25.

Speaker 9 And,

Speaker 9 you know, so

Speaker 9 that was because I waited. But, you know,

Speaker 9 I missed the first six games because the team was on the road. I had to stay and get treatments.
And,

Speaker 9 you know, I remember the home opener, we got our National League Championship rings, and they weren't going to let me play. Games at like one, I think.

Speaker 9 And like at

Speaker 9 12, 11:45, 12 o'clock, they still weren't going to let me play.

Speaker 9 So I had my cancer doctor call Jim Fergosi and Lee Thomas in Jim Fergosi's office and say, look, he can't get hurt. If he feels like he can play, he can play.

Speaker 9 So they looked at me and they said, what do you think? I said, I already told you, man, I want to play. I said, you know, we didn't have a great road trip.
I had to watch these damn games on TV.

Speaker 9 I want to. play and try to make a difference.
They're like, all right, screw it. You're going to play.

Speaker 9 I'm like, oh, probably the dumbest decision I've ever made in my life because I felt after like the first two or three games, I felt like death because I was getting radiation treatments in the morning and going to the ballpark and playing.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 9 It was stupid.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 9 You know, people say, what, what were you thinking? I said, well, I wasn't.

Speaker 9 You know, it's not a strong suit of mine

Speaker 9 putting the brain to use.

Speaker 9 But it was the dumbest thing I've ever done

Speaker 9 trying to play while getting radiation. I should have waited another couple weeks and come back, helped the urging stronger.
And,

Speaker 9 you know,

Speaker 9 probably been a bigger help to the team than playing like the way I was trying to play, feeling like I was feeling.

Speaker 1 Well, again, that's why you're probably a fan favorite because of all these stories and legendary career and look. And

Speaker 1 congrats again to your Phillies for being in the World Series. Everyone, check out Crucky.
He's on NBC Sports Philadelphia. I agree with BFT.

Speaker 1 We have to do an extended interview with you in person sometime. We'll have you on.
We could do two hours, three hours. You just telling us stories.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 I'm in.

Speaker 1 Okay. Well,

Speaker 9 yeah. So next year, I don't even know the schedule in Philly, but if they come to New York, I'll come to New York.

Speaker 1 Beautiful. Sounds great.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we'll do it. You just name the day.

Speaker 1 And I'll set you up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could sit on the bench press. You have to bench for us.

Speaker 9 No, I can't lift weights.

Speaker 9 I used to go do the skeet shooting thing every year with Tim McGraw for

Speaker 9 the Tug McGraw Foundation. We used to go to Nashville and do a skeet shooting.
I shot the shotgun once. Now I've had this

Speaker 9 shoulder reconstructed three damn times. It's not even my throwing shoulder, but it's from diving on the turf, you know, for ground balls and

Speaker 9 flyballs.

Speaker 1 At the vet, yeah.

Speaker 9 It ruined my shoulder. I tried to shoot.
Oh my God,

Speaker 1 the pain.

Speaker 9 So I said, screw it. So me and this, me and my, my, my Nashville, well, he lives in New York, but he does security for

Speaker 9 Tim.

Speaker 1 And so he, he's

Speaker 9 everyone in the Tug McGrath Foundation now calls Tim my New York wife.

Speaker 1 Because we just hang out the whole time.

Speaker 9 We drive around in a golf cart and mess with everyone. Funny story real quick.
Joe Montana shooting one year.

Speaker 9 And, you know,

Speaker 2 Joe Montana is a perfectionist.

Speaker 9 So, when he knew he was going to do that, he built a speech shooting thing on his property out in California to practice so he wouldn't embarrass himself.

Speaker 9 So, we stopped and watched shoot, you know, pull, God killed it, cool, killed it, killed it.

Speaker 9 Four out of five. The fifth one, he yelled, pull.

Speaker 9 He had to miss that thing by a damn mile.

Speaker 9 So, after he's done, I'm like, damn, Joe. I said, them first four, you were locked in.
I said, what happened on the fifth one?

Speaker 9 He said, John, he said, he goes, I've had so many damn concussions and so much brain trauma he said that i now i have issues with my eyes he said and every once in a while he said and so if i'm looking straight to where the the skeet is you know that the the the the the clay the the clay pigeon he said if i'm looking straight at that he said sometimes my eyes will just dart to the right And he said, that's what happened on that last one.

Speaker 9 He said, I shot where my eyes were looking. I said, man, thank God no one was standing.

Speaker 9 But he said, he said, every once in a while, because of the nerve damage in his eyes, he said, my eye, just shoot to the right. And he said, that's what I see.
So I'm like, oh, dear God.

Speaker 9 And you've got a shotgun in your hand.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's

Speaker 1 a good point. All right.
Well, Crucky, thank you so, so much. We really, really, really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 We're big fans of yours. And yeah, let's do it in person.
And best of luck for the World Series. I think most of America's rooting for the Phillies.
So, you know, have fun with it.

Speaker 9 Yeah. As well they should.
As well they should.

Speaker 1 Yes. All right.
Well, thanks so much.

Speaker 9 All right. Thank you guys.

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Speaker 1 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our good friend, colleague, former Philly.

Speaker 6 Well, I just want to say that on your Wikipedia page, your picture is you in a Philly's uniform. So maybe you are remembered as a Philly.

Speaker 2 I don't know if somebody, because can't you alter and edit anybody's Wikipedia page?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 2 It's like, oh, I thought it was like a free-for-all.

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 mine says I'm five foot three right now. So yeah, that's definitely fake news.

Speaker 1 That's off.

Speaker 1 So it is Jake Arietta. He's our good friend, colleague.
Like I said, go download Starting 9, our baseball podcast on Barstool Sports. Philly alum,

Speaker 1 Philly's alum, getting ready for the World Series. I don't know where we want to start.
Actually, you know what?

Speaker 1 Are you still talking with some of the guys on the team, on the Phillies team, and what is the vibe that you've picked up off of what they've been able to accomplish this October?

Speaker 2 Man, I think it starts with, well,

Speaker 2 go back to like June, July, you know,

Speaker 2 when they were struggling, their third place

Speaker 2 in the NL East. It looks like, you know, the Mets are going to run away with the division.
Atlanta starts to creep in. Nobody's even really talking about the Phillies.
Harper breaks his thumb.

Speaker 2 He's out for a number of weeks. And it just kind of seems like they're going to end up finishing third, not make it into postseason.

Speaker 2 And then the trade deadline, they bring in Brandon Marsh, Noah Sintergaard.

Speaker 2 And it looks like pieces that aren't very sexy pieces, but it's starting to get the job done. And they start playing great baseball.

Speaker 2 And the next thing you know, they find themselves in the wild card spot against the St. Louis Cardinals.

Speaker 2 And everybody, you know, thought they might go in there and be competitive.

Speaker 2 But ultimately, you know, we had Schmitty on one of our live streams. And, you know, game one wasn't going very well for him.
Looked like they're probably going to lose that game.

Speaker 2 But they find a way to battle back with Helsley on the mound.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 they beat them, you know, two games of nothing. And their confidence and the momentum just keeps building and moving forward.
And then they go on to the next series against Atlanta

Speaker 2 and just and just play extremely well. And for whatever reason, and there's a number of reasons, you know, you have Rob Thompson, who took over as a manager.

Speaker 2 He's now going to be their guy for at least a couple of years, hopefully more.

Speaker 2 Everybody's rallied around him.

Speaker 2 And their star players are performing just at an extremely high level. And And I think that that's what's going to have to continue for them to have any shot against the Houston Astros

Speaker 2 because of just how good they are. I mean, they're unbeaten in the postseason.

Speaker 2 We know how good they are. So, I mean, it's going to take the best effort from everybody in that lineup and on the pitching staff.
And really, even to

Speaker 2 have a chance to beat the Astros.

Speaker 1 It's crazy you mentioned, by the way, I like totally because it's, you know, October, there's so many sports on, so everything becomes a blur.

Speaker 1 But without that Cardinals' meltdown in that first game, like the Phillies could have been out. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Like that game, if the Cardinals just don't absolutely piss down their leg and they win that first game, we could be talking about a completely different team in the World Series here.

Speaker 1 And that's kind of

Speaker 1 credit to the Phillies for like always hanging in there and always sticking around where they pounce on these opportunities that other teams haven't been able to.

Speaker 2 You're exactly right.

Speaker 2 And I think that's what has kind of propelled uh into the posit position they're in to even have this opportunity uh like you said they very well could have could have lost that game and you kind of expected a team like the cardinals especially at home to kind of shut that down and and kind of roll into game two and uh probably finish off the series uh but it didn't go that way and it's just continued to like move in a positive direction and everything

Speaker 2 Not that it's luck, but it seems like everything

Speaker 2 that can go right has gone right for the Phillies. And you got to give a lot of credit to them in that Padres series and even the Brave series.

Speaker 2 They were at a deficit many times throughout that series. And I think that both of the series appeared to be way more competitive

Speaker 2 and balanced than they really were. I mean, they won both series pretty handily, but that Padre series was back and forth.
I mean, lead changes left and right.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 they never got down on themselves. And

Speaker 2 their star players continue to step up. I mean, Hoskins with home runs, obviously Schwarber.

Speaker 2 I mean, Harper, the biggest at-bat of his entire career. I mean, he comes through in a way that, I mean, you

Speaker 2 can't even script something like that. But

Speaker 2 you just had a feeling like this guy's going to come through in this moment. I mean, JT gets the big hit to start off the inning.

Speaker 2 They don't bring in Josh Hayter to face Harper, which I think was a huge mistake. Even though Suarez had pitched extremely well, it's like

Speaker 2 you have the best left-handed guy ready in the bullpen, and he's on fire. He's pitched extremely well in the postseason, and you don't bring him in to face Harper.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 I mean, you know, fortunately, they didn't for the Phillies, and it worked out. But that at bat, if you just go through it,

Speaker 2 I think there were some things that, I mean, it started out pretty well. You got a fastball down away.

Speaker 2 He swings and misses. Fastball up and in.
A great move there. Fastball away for a swing.
Fastball up.

Speaker 2 Fouls it off. Fastball down away.
He fouls it off. Then they threw one change up that he took extremely well.
And then he goes back to the heater.

Speaker 2 But again, I mean, he could have popped up. He could have struck out.

Speaker 2 I just think that San Diego didn't necessarily handle that situation the way they should have.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the six-out save is always something that you hear about more often in the playoffs. So from a pitcher's perspective,

Speaker 6 what is the actual tangible difference as you're coming in for six outs instead of three?

Speaker 6 It doesn't seem like that much more, right? Maybe, you know, maybe like five extra pitches per bet, maybe 15 to 20 extra pitches that you have to throw.

Speaker 6 But from a closer perspective, what happens to your stuff at that point?

Speaker 2 Well, I think in that moment when you're

Speaker 2 in game five of the NLCS, I don't think anything happens to the stuff in that moment.

Speaker 2 And if you look at the way that we used Aroldus Chabman in 2016 when we traded for him, I mean, we threw him multiple innings

Speaker 2 many times and because we had to, we needed to.

Speaker 2 And if there's ever a situation to do it, even though Josh Hayter isn't accustomed to getting six outs, I mean, he's pitched, he's pitched one plus before. So

Speaker 2 like I said, like you, you win or you go home. So if there's ever a situation to

Speaker 2 do it, I mean, that's the one.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? What about

Speaker 1 a starter when it's the all hand? I love when it's all hands on deck. When it's like, hey, every arm,

Speaker 1 you've been in those situations where they tell you beforehand, and do you like, how do you change up your entire routine?

Speaker 1 Because that's such a foreign thing for a starter to go into a high-leverage playoff game.

Speaker 2 It is. You know, I threw game six of the World Series in 16, and I don't remember how many pitches I threw, probably around 100.

Speaker 2 And I had a conversation with Joe and said, I'll be in the bullpen for game seven.

Speaker 2 And actually got warmed up at a point late in the game. And you just, you kind of know what bullpen guys do,

Speaker 2 and you have an idea of how to handle it. The most important thing is just.

Speaker 2 Not being accustomed to getting your body ready that quickly. So what do you do?

Speaker 2 Every couple of innings, you get up, you stretch, stretch out a little bit, maybe hop on the bike, you toss around a weighted ball, you do some bands.

Speaker 2 So it's not, yeah, it might be foreign in a sense because you're not accustomed to doing it

Speaker 2 on a daily basis like the bullpen guys are, but we, we know how to do it. Yeah.
You know, you have you have an idea of what that routine looks like.

Speaker 2 So you just, you just fucking do it because that's, that's, that's the only option. I like that.

Speaker 6 How sore is your arm on zero days' rest?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 It depends on the stress, how stressful the pitches are.

Speaker 2 Like, number one, you know, like if you go out there and you cruise through seven innings, you maybe, you maybe scatter a couple hits, but there's really, there's really, at no point in the game, are there guys, multiple guys in scoring position.

Speaker 2 The bases are clogged where you have to like really bear down. And the, the effort level

Speaker 2 is, is much higher. Because if you're cruising, man, you could, you could come to the ballpark the next day and feel like you could pitch again.

Speaker 2 And then on the flip side of that, you can come to the ballpark and feel like you got hit by a truck. So it's, it's all different.

Speaker 2 But at that point in the season, at this point in the year, everybody's banged up. Nobody feels great.
You're kind of running on fumes and adrenaline and caffeine. So you just, and

Speaker 2 you have to understand yourself. And like, if I was in a position where I didn't feel like I could help the team and put myself in a position where.

Speaker 2 I wasn't better than the next guy, I would have said, look, Joe, like, I'm, I don't, I don't,

Speaker 2 I'm probably not a good option for us tonight. But, you know,

Speaker 2 I was able to get myself in a position energy-wise and adrenaline where it didn't really matter how I felt like I was going to be capable if I was needed.

Speaker 1 What about, so let's talk about the Astros. Like you said, they are undefeated in the postseason.

Speaker 1 It's crazy how embarrassing or yeah, embarrassing they've made the Yankees like feel and look because they've just, every time they match up in the playoffs, the Yankees look like absolute nothing compared to them.

Speaker 1 Well, they opened the roof, pitching. Yeah, they opened the roof.
Put an asterisk on them. What about if you're a pitcher? Yeah, how dare them.
Yeah, how dare them.

Speaker 1 If you're a pitcher on the Phillies staff and you're going up against this lineup,

Speaker 1 what's the reason why the Astros, like what part of that lineup or what combo is it that makes it so difficult to pitch around?

Speaker 2 There's really no breaks in the lineup. And this is no disrespect to Maldonado, but he might be the only guy who you can get away with multiple mistakes.
And he was

Speaker 2 the reason they drove in the first run in one of those games. Chas McCormick, you know, got on base, who's another guy who's elevating his game in the postseason.

Speaker 2 And shocker, that's just what the Astros are notorious for is finding these guys like Jeremy Pena, who's from Rhode Island, a third-rounder that nobody even really knew about.

Speaker 2 Now he's one of the superstars of the postseason, turning himself into,

Speaker 2 I don't know if we can technically call him a star yet but it just it looks like it's going in that direction if you can perform at this level uh this consistently and when games mean this much i mean

Speaker 2 there's a 99.9 chance this dude is going to be absolutely legit so yeah alcs mvp like that's all he had to do

Speaker 2 yeah i mean you know and cortez was was what he strained his groin uh to a certain extent in that game um but that three-run homer that's just an absolute dagger for the Yankees.

Speaker 2 And to do that on the road

Speaker 2 as a rookie, and time and time again, he hit the solo homer against the Mariners in that 18-inning game, which won him the ball game.

Speaker 2 So it's not just like a single here and there where he's getting on base for like the boppers, you know, like Tucker or Alvarez or Bregman. Like he's doing damage.
So

Speaker 2 you combine that, you know, Chaz and you combine Pena.

Speaker 2 with those huge guys in their order like Bregman and Alvarez. And Altuve, look how cold, you know, so to speak, Altuve's been.

Speaker 2 And to have a guy like that who's, you know, one of your best players over the last six or seven years, I mean, it doesn't even matter because they have so many other guys who are producing.

Speaker 2 So the Phillies,

Speaker 2 the pitching depth and experience is the Astros' advantage in this series. But it almost evens itself out with, you know, the Phillies being in a position where they have nothing to lose.

Speaker 2 They've gotten this far and they've continued to produce.

Speaker 2 And I mean, I can't imagine how electric that clubhouse is and just like the vibes amongst the dudes with what they've been able to accomplish. So, I mean,

Speaker 2 you can't count them out. I mean, they're nine and two in the postseason,

Speaker 2 which is extremely impressive. They're hitting a ton of home runs.
You know, Schwarber and Harper, I believe, were hitting 400 in that series. You know, Hoskins had multiple home runs.
JT is on base.

Speaker 2 You know, a lot. Segura is having incredible at-bats.
Alec Bohm is swinging the bat very well. I mean, just up and down the lineup, Bryson Stock.

Speaker 2 So the supporting cast, you know, on both sides is a big reason why these teams are both in the position they're in.

Speaker 6 Yeah, the Phillies, you can look at them and be like, this is a scrappy team. I like watching them play for each other, but they also have stars.

Speaker 6 Like, they're made up of some really, really good brand name, household name baseball players. But they seem to be,

Speaker 6 I don't know if I just haven't watched as much of the Astros as I have about watching the Phillies this postseason, but the Phillies, they seem to have a little bit of shit to them.

Speaker 6 They're playing as a team, and I was talking to Max before we started recording this, but

Speaker 6 with baseball, it's inherently an individual sport. Most of the things that you do at any given time, with the exception of defense occasionally and some hit and run stuff.

Speaker 6 But most of it is just one guy versus one guy.

Speaker 6 But with the Phillies, it seems like there might be some team cohesion that's kind of making the sum of their parts greater than the individuals. What does that look like when a team

Speaker 6 has gelled and they're close on the field, they're close off the field, and what actual differences can you see in how they play during an actual game if they're close-knit?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a good question, man. And I think that

Speaker 2 this is something Thompson has alluded to. The players have alluded to

Speaker 2 throughout the course of the postseason. Their ability to bounce back and be resilient.
That's the term that they've all been using. And that's very true.
You have to be

Speaker 2 resilient in these types of games because

Speaker 2 you're not going to always score first and maintain the lead throughout the entire game. There's going to be a lot of lead changes.
But I think, and you can't, there's no stat for this.

Speaker 2 It's hard to quantify.

Speaker 2 But the relationships that are developed amongst the players on a personal level, getting to know, and it sounds cliche, but getting to know your teammates away from the field, their families, their kids,

Speaker 2 you pull for each other much harder when you care about each other

Speaker 2 in that kind of way. So, and I know these guys are extremely close, and I think that's just what it is.

Speaker 2 You, you want to, if a guy punches out with two outs to the guy in scoring position, that next guy so desperately wants to drive that run-in, or he wants to put together a great at-bat, or if the starter doesn't

Speaker 2 necessarily have the outing he wanted to have, you know, a guy comes out of the pin and gives the team three or four innings to bridge the gap, keep the team in the game, and hand the the ball to somebody at the back end of the bullpen.

Speaker 2 And I think that's what we're seeing here, man. I really do.
I was a part of that on multiple teams with the Cubs, and this team looks no different.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So

Speaker 1 one thing we always talk about with

Speaker 1 like in football, guys get to the Super Bowl. Super Bowl is faster than any game.
That's what everyone says. You know, that first,

Speaker 1 you know, whatever, first quarter and then the halftime, everything's off. Is there a difference between the DS, CS, and then getting to the World Series? Is there a vibe change in the clubhouse?

Speaker 1 Like, what does that step up look like? And what maybe from experience like or a story about how it felt walking into that game, one of the World Series?

Speaker 2 Well, I don't necessarily think the pace of this game

Speaker 2 is going to be sped up for these guys on either side, especially the Astros. Yeah, they've been there.

Speaker 2 Six division titles in a row, six ALCS appearances in a row, four World Series or two World Series in the last four years.

Speaker 2 Like, it doesn't even really make sense that they've been able to do what they've been able to do. But I think for the Phillies,

Speaker 2 playing postseason games in Citizens Bank Park for the first time since 2011, maybe 2012, like that crowd has already been as electric probably as they can possibly be.

Speaker 2 So they know what that sensation is like. They know what it feels like.
And I don't, you know, Minutemate isn't going to be any louder than Philly.

Speaker 2 So they've already experienced what that noise level is going to look like. So I think they're in a very good position to be able to handle that.
But there is a

Speaker 2 slight shift in what the game feels like from, you know, wild card, DS, CS World Series.

Speaker 2 And I think that, you know, they just,

Speaker 2 they need to respond and strike first. If they can strike first, like they were able to do

Speaker 2 the first game in Philly against

Speaker 2 the Padres, you know, Schwarber let off the game with a home run.

Speaker 2 Like, not saying that that has to happen, but if you can strike first against a team like the Astros, that just like, did that, like, that's something that just gives you like that added energy.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, we can beat these guys. We can beat these guys.
But if you're playing from behind, early and often against a team like the Astros,

Speaker 2 I mean, it doesn't take a genius to figure that out, but I think that that's where the Astros really like kind of put a clamp on this series and game control.

Speaker 2 If they get dominant starting pitching

Speaker 2 and they score first, I mean, it's going to be a really difficult series for

Speaker 2 the Phillies. But if you can get, I think Aaron Nol is probably going to start game one.

Speaker 2 He'd be on eight days' rest. And you probably don't want him to go much further than eight days.

Speaker 2 I mean, he's been probably throwing a sim game here and there in bullpens, but I like Aaron Nola game one, Wheeler two, Ranger Suarez, three.

Speaker 2 And if those guys give you depth and you don't have to get to guys like Connor Brogdon or Balati or Falter

Speaker 2 in the middle innings, then the Phillies really have a shot. But they're going to have to get length from their starters.

Speaker 6 What about from a pitcher's perspective?

Speaker 6 If you're in the middle of a game, and especially during a World Series game, a real, like, you know, this is the kind of stuff that you dream of playing in when you're a kid.

Speaker 6 And you can tell, like, okay, I don't have necessarily my best stuff right now the the manager comes out to talk to you and you know in the back of your head like i can try to gut this through

Speaker 6 but it's not i'm not at a hundred percent how do you wage that like internal battle because i feel like every pitcher just wants to tell the manager leave me in i got this let me get out of this jam i got myself in so how do you balance being honest while also being competitive Well, it depends on why you're saying you don't have like your best stuff.

Speaker 2 And remember, like at this point,

Speaker 2 you shouldn't expect to get out of bed and get to the field and warm up and feel perfect. I think guys are used to that and accustomed to that at this point of the season.
If your command is off,

Speaker 2 I mean, it's probably evident by the by the at-bats that you've kind of, as a starter, if you're, if you're always behind an account or you're not able to spin your breaking ball for a strike,

Speaker 2 And I don't envision that happening with

Speaker 2 either one of the top three guys guys for Philly.

Speaker 2 And Wheeler's already shown it. Nola's shown it.
He had a tough one his last go-around

Speaker 2 against San Diego. Ranger came into close the last game against the Padres.
Thompson has continued to talk about their heart rate and how nothing really fazes those three guys.

Speaker 2 And I've been around them a lot. And they're, I mean, you barely even know they're there.
They're going about their business. They're quiet, but they're amazing teammates.

Speaker 2 And when they get in between the lines, it's like those guys are ready to fucking go. So

Speaker 2 I think the only reason you may see something like that is maybe it's a mental thing. Like if a guy is just not able to handle the moment, it's not necessarily about the stuff or how he feels.

Speaker 2 Maybe the moment could be getting to him. But and I don't, I don't envision that happening from anybody on either side.
But, you know, to answer your question, I think that's, that's what it would be.

Speaker 2 Like if you are telling somebody on the staff that, you know, I just don't have my best stuff, that's, that's in your head.

Speaker 6 Yeah. So what about Dusty Baker? So, manager of the Astros, from your experience one-on-one with Dusty, how is he getting his guys ready for a series like this?

Speaker 2 I don't think he has to do much. I really, I really don't.
I think that this is just kind of another day at the office for these guys. Uh, and it's, it's so wild to say that.

Speaker 2 You know, there's many players never get an opportunity to play in October that play for, you know, five, six, seven plus years. And these guys, um, and it's not by accident.
It's not by chance.

Speaker 2 It's not by luck. It's by,

Speaker 2 and you got to give the organization a shit ton of credit for being able to put this type of group of guys together,

Speaker 2 having some nice free agents, but being able to develop this many guys at the same time. So I think Dusty's job is really easy.

Speaker 2 And, you know, you hear Bregman, you know, talk after, you know, they beat the Yankees in the CS and just everybody has such high praise, you know, for Dusty.

Speaker 2 And they want to win this for him.

Speaker 2 I think he's the most winning manager to not have a world series appearance or world world series win yeah so i mean they're they're doing this obviously for for themselves for for them and their teammates uh but but for dusty and when you have a guy that's that's your leader your manager that you want to win and that you would you would run through a wall for

Speaker 2 I mean, that just speaks volumes for the type of guy that Dusty is. And not to mention, I mean, these gloves.
I can't get over the gloves.

Speaker 1 He looks like he's about to cook cook some ribs. That's like the ribs.
You see like a rib video? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Or he's marinating like a pork shoulder to put in like the crock pot.

Speaker 2 I've done, you know, I got a box of gloves in the

Speaker 2 kitchen for moments like that.

Speaker 9 But

Speaker 2 yeah, he's just,

Speaker 2 he's the man. I mean, they want to win this for Dusty.

Speaker 6 It's almost not fair because America wants to root against the Astros, but then they did a very smart thing by hiring Dusty Baker.

Speaker 1 And having COVID.

Speaker 6 And COVID, yeah, and also going to Wuhan, infecting a bat, and then flying.

Speaker 1 And spreading it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's all fucked, man. Well, don't you think that this will finally, if they win the World Series, this finally puts to bed the cheating scandal in like 17?

Speaker 1 I actually, I'll go one further. I think it already is put to bed with the fact that they've been to the World Series.

Speaker 1 Like the run of success, the sustained run of success that they've had, if it had been just a one year and they never went back to like deep in the playoffs or anything like that,

Speaker 1 we would have stuck with it forever and it's still fucked up. I'm not excusing them, but it's clear that they're a really goddamn good baseball team and organization outside of the cheating skin.

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Speaker 1 So give us your pick because I'm, I'm, I'm, I think most of America is kind of in a similar spot where we're rooting for the Phillies.

Speaker 1 But if I had to go with like, your life is on the line, the Astros are an absolute machine.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, there's, there's,

Speaker 2 it's very hard to go against the Astros.

Speaker 2 And the reason I'm going to do so is because I have ultimate faith in Wheeler, NOLA, Ranger Suarez, the back end of their bullpen, and the best player on the planet right now in Bryce Harper, guys like Schwarber, Hoskins, Romuto, Stott.

Speaker 2 Like, I think that this is just the team that has the

Speaker 2 really has the ability to get the job done against this

Speaker 2 Astros team. I don't think anybody else would have.

Speaker 2 I think that what they've gone through, how they rallied towards the end of the season, just the momentum, it's just, it's like a snowball rolling downhill and this shit doesn't seem to be stopping yet.

Speaker 2 So, I think this game, or I think this series goes seven games. I'm going to pick the Phillies to win it in seven on the road in Houston.

Speaker 2 Astros are, I mean, they're not going to roll over. Obviously, it's going to be extremely difficult.
I think, you know,

Speaker 2 they're going to lose a couple tough games in the series. It's going to go back and forth.

Speaker 2 But as hot as they are now and what happened

Speaker 2 against the Braves and how they handled, you know, San Diego the way they did and watching San Diego go through the Dodgers,

Speaker 1 Phillies believe they can beat anybody.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 In this series, man,

Speaker 2 it's the perfect fit.

Speaker 2 I don't think the teams have met in the postseason since 1980 it's a good story for baseball yeah it's probably the best team in baseball playing against the hottest team at baseball also i think uh 10 10 different 10 different world series champions in 10 years i think if the phillies win right

Speaker 2 yeah yeah and this is harper's first appearance in the world series yeah he's the best best player on the planet um

Speaker 2 I see, you know, him just continuing to stack up, you know, moment after moment and patting his resume.

Speaker 2 It wouldn't surprise me if the Astros won, but I'm going Phillies in seven.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, Jake, thank you very much. We appreciate it.
I'm just going to

Speaker 1 say Philly's in seven as well because that's what my heart wants.

Speaker 1 And if the Astros sweep them, I wouldn't be shot. Like, that's, you know, that good.
Whatever. That's fine.
Let's just stay the course of Philly's in seven. Thank you as always, man.

Speaker 1 We appreciate you coming on and enjoying the World Series. It's going to be awesome.

Speaker 2 Yeah, man. I'll be there for game one in Houston.
I'll be there game three in Philly. Love it.

Speaker 2 It's gonna be badass. I appreciate you having me on, guys.

Speaker 14 Man, I'll tell you what. When you're hungry out there, you start acting like a rookie quarterback in his first game, making bad decisions, messing up the basics, being all out of sorts.

Speaker 14 That's where Snickers comes in, man. That thing is packed.
Roasted peanuts, nugget, caramel, milk chocolate. It's like the MVP of candy bars.

Speaker 14 And when you bite into it, boom, it sorts you out, gets your head back in the game of life, satisfying your hunger. Remember this.
Snickers handles your hunger so you can handle everything else.

Speaker 14 Snickers satisfies, man. That's a winning play.

Speaker 6 And now, here's Taylor Heineke.

Speaker 1 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, time for one question with a quarterback. And we have the starting quarterback of the Washington Commanders, Taylor Heineke, on for one question with a quarterback.
Taylor, my one question is,

Speaker 1 how awesome was it to beat Aaron Rodgers? Because I don't really know that feeling very well. So you tell me, how sweet was that?

Speaker 15 Yeah, I know

Speaker 15 you're a Bears fan, so it's been a long, a long ride for you. But, you know, I grew up a Packer fan.
And so growing up watching Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers,

Speaker 15 you know, it was cool to be on the same field as him. So getting to beat the guy that you grew up watching.
and idolizing was super cool. So,

Speaker 15 yeah, that's definitely a top of the list, top of the kind of top of the trophy room right there.

Speaker 1 Nice. That's really cool, is all I took away from that.
That does sound really

Speaker 6 super, super cool. Yeah.
Taylor, first of all, thank you for delivering that win. It's fun watching you play.
I love it.

Speaker 6 My question is that I heard that you get a pair of throwback Jordans in the color of every single team that you beat in the NFL. Is that true? And yeah, well,

Speaker 6 I guess that's my

Speaker 6 question.

Speaker 1 Is that true?

Speaker 6 Would you mind talking about that

Speaker 6 and furthering the discussion?

Speaker 15 Yeah, so that started last year.

Speaker 15 I really started getting to the sneaker game last year. And

Speaker 15 we started winning games.

Speaker 15 I'm a small guy. I get beat up throughout the game.
So I'm in the training room for a long time. And while I was in the training room, I was like, you know what?

Speaker 15 I'm going to start this little tradition where every team we beat, I'm going to buy some Jordans in their colorway. So

Speaker 15 yeah, that started last year. And then, so yesterday I was in the training room and found me some pretty pretty sweet

Speaker 15 green yellow fives that I bought. So,

Speaker 15 you know, once they come in, I'll definitely post them. But yeah, it's a cool little tradition I got.

Speaker 1 I like that. Hank, do you have a question for Taylor?

Speaker 1 Is it the Oregon fives?

Speaker 15 Yeah, the Oregon fives.

Speaker 1 Okay, good follow-up question.

Speaker 6 Billy, do you have a question?

Speaker 1 Hi. Oh.

Speaker 7 Quick question. Are Zin tins the most signed memorabilia that you get asked to sign?

Speaker 15 Yeah, probably.

Speaker 1 Good question.

Speaker 15 I'm actually looking at a can right now, so probably put one in head home.

Speaker 6 Yeah, probably sixes. That's not a question.
I'm just saying, probably,

Speaker 1 probably two sixes.

Speaker 15 Probably two sixes. No, not two sixes.
Two sixes get me spinning.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I'm a man.
I'm two sixes. Jake, Jeff.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Hi, Taylor.
Jake March, part of my take podcast. Over the last three years, you've been a battle hawk, a football team, and a commander.

Speaker 3 How does it feel to have probably the most unique list of team names under your belt in football history

Speaker 9 yeah it's uh

Speaker 15 it's it's different man you know the battle hawks was a weird one but um i will say their helmets were pretty sweet but again i i felt i feel like the coolest name was the football team i mean i thought that was i like that one the best so yeah um yeah i mean commanders is cool you know Hopefully we can keep this thing rolling.

Speaker 1 Let's hand up. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I do like... Wait, I think Max has a question.

Speaker 1 Oh, Max, you have a question. Yes, we do have a question.

Speaker 3 Have you thought about how happy you made PFT after you won this game this past week?

Speaker 1 And me. And Big Day.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 15 I saw some videos of PFT out there. So people were sending them to me.
So it's always cool to have some guys rooting for you. But yeah, PFT, hopefully, we keep this thing rolling, man.

Speaker 15 We've got a big one in Indy this week.

Speaker 1 Huge one. Huge game coming up.
And then, Taylor, do you have a question for us? Because we do allow one question from you if you'd like to ask one.

Speaker 15 Let's see. What's one guy that you've always wanted on the show that you can't get on?

Speaker 1 Dan Snyder. Yeah, that's easy.

Speaker 6 I would love to talk to Dan. Is he there?

Speaker 15 No, he's not.

Speaker 1 You opened yourself up to that one.

Speaker 6 I would love to just have a word with Dan Snyder, just him and me.

Speaker 6 We don't even need to record it. In fact, I would prefer that you just lock me in a room with Dan Snyder and then just let whatever happens, happens.

Speaker 15 Yeah, I walked right into that one.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's all right.

Speaker 1 Okay. well, Taylor, thank you so much.
We appreciate it. Keep it rolling, man.
We're rooting for you.

Speaker 1 And, yeah, best of luck rest of the season. And thank you for joining One Question with a Quarterback.

Speaker 15 I appreciate you guys for having me.

Speaker 6 Thanks, Taylor.

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Speaker 1 Also, quick word,

Speaker 1 we have our good friend Jules back on Friday's show. So we're gonna, he will be starting the show with us on Friday.
Get excited for that because we're gonna catch up with him.

Speaker 1 Probably some good, good conversation about what's going on with Zappy and Mac Jones. And it's also right after a Brady Thursday night game.
Incredible.

Speaker 1 So the perfect timing to have Jules on the show in studio.

Speaker 1 Jimbo's. Jimbo's back.
So for everyone who remembers, Jimbo's. People fucking up, telling us how they fucked up.
Now I got to do everything at this pizza hut.

Speaker 1 Where should I start? Hmm. Sup, Twats.
twats. Oh, okay, aggressive.

Speaker 6 Now I remember why we stopped doing gyms.

Speaker 1 Was a groomsman in my buddy's wedding. Yeah, it's different when it's not coming from girls.

Speaker 1 Was it

Speaker 1 a groomsman in my buddy's wedding? After the rehearsal dinner, we were shooting the shit in.

Speaker 1 You're bonking yourself.

Speaker 1 After the rehearsal dinner,

Speaker 1 after the rehearsal dinner, we were shooting.

Speaker 6 You just said that you liked hearing girls say the word twat.

Speaker 1 No, I said it's different when it's not coming from girls. Which is, again, you're hearing

Speaker 1 remarkable things.

Speaker 7 So you prefer coming from girls?

Speaker 1 No, I just think girls are a little nicer and don't say sub-twats. Like we don't say that.
We don't get those with guys on chicks.

Speaker 6 That's true. True.

Speaker 1 That's my point.

Speaker 6 All right, keep reading.

Speaker 1 Thank you. If you can.
After the rehearsal dinner, we are shooting the shit in church, waiting for people to gather their things.

Speaker 1 Another groomsman who also isn't religious splashes me with holy water and I yell, ah, it burns. I turn around and the pastor is glaring at me a few feet away.

Speaker 1 That's a fun joke. That's a great joke.

Speaker 6 Honestly, if you're a pastor, it's like your World Series if anybody calls you to do an exorcism, right?

Speaker 6 If you think that there's even like a half percent chance that somebody is possessed by a demon, you're like, this is why I've been training my entire life.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is why it lifts all these weights. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hey guys, I was at my university cafeteria for breakfast and had a waffle maker incident. I went to press down the lever to get the waffle batter out, but as I did, the lever fell off.

Speaker 1 All the batter in the machine started oozing out at a rapid pace. I looked for help and frantically started to explain what had happened to the workers, but they didn't speak any English.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm sure they could tell what was going on.

Speaker 1 After that didn't work, I grabbed a bunch of napkins and covered the entire waffle maker table with them as the batter was starting to get on the floor.

Speaker 1 I love this visual. I calmly walked out of the cafe and have not returned since.
It's been five days, and I can't keep living off of Pop-Tarts and Chick-fil-A. Is it safe to return? I think there are

Speaker 1 certain things that happen

Speaker 1 where you just have to walk away. And I know that sounds like a terrible thing, but there's like, you know, for the most part, you should try to help a mess that's made.

Speaker 1 But like that one seemed like it was out of control. And you, you're probably going to make it worse.
Yeah. I don't know.
Like that's. You can probably go back.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And like a fucked up waffle maker, you don't, you don't know how to repair that.
Yeah. You probably would have just made it worse.

Speaker 6 I think that's what the situation, like, if you are, if you find yourself in a situation of your own creating that's gotten out of hand, if there's any possible way that you can help rectify that situation, you should try.

Speaker 6 But there are a lot of times when it's like, oh, this toilet's overflowing.

Speaker 6 Well, I don't have a plunger. I'm just going to make it worse if I try to do something.

Speaker 1 Right. Or like if you drop, if you like drop a bottle in a grocery store, your job is you have to alert someone.
You have to be very remorseful.

Speaker 1 But for the most part, they're not going to be like, hey, can you help me clean this up? Because then you get hurt or something. So there's those situations.

Speaker 1 You just got to show the correct amount of remorse, alert the authorities, and kind of get out of the way.

Speaker 6 Also, it's not your fault that the handle broke. Yeah, that's true.
Those waffle makers, they should be sturdy enough that you should be able to close it.

Speaker 6 Maybe you were getting reckless with that.

Speaker 1 How much waffle batter was in there?

Speaker 6 Yeah, it sounds like he was making a giant waffle.

Speaker 1 It was like a soft serve.

Speaker 1 No, he was going to take it out. Right.
But it sounded like it just kept on coming out.

Speaker 1 Which is a very funny thing to think about. It was a waffle, enough waffle batter for a university.
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 6 Oh, so yeah. Okay, now I get it.
It wasn't the actual waffle maker handle that broke.

Speaker 1 no, it's like a water.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 I would have just laid down underneath it and just had it all go into my mouth and just ate waffle batter all day. Fucking love waffles.

Speaker 1 The best.

Speaker 1 I had some tension building with this girl. I matched with a different girl who was well out of my league on Bumble, but I decided to delete my account.

Speaker 1 However, I made sure to follow her Insta so I could still slide in her DMs.

Speaker 1 Turns out she's friends with the girl I had tension with. So I ghosted her with hopes I could save what I already had.

Speaker 1 Then started a new job and walked in. And who was working the front desk but the bumble girl? We haven't addressed it, but we both know what happened.
What do I do? Oh, this guy's being a pussy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This is way. Just say it.

Speaker 6 Just fuck her.

Speaker 6 You guys should just fuck. Just say it.
Because you should just fuck everybody. Yeah.

Speaker 1 In the office.

Speaker 1 Don't do that.

Speaker 1 I saw a great tweet the other day.

Speaker 1 It was like, instead of like

Speaker 1 high school or college reunions, there should just be reunions for like all the co-workers you liked at your shitty jobs. How great would that be?

Speaker 1 Like, because those are people you just never see again. It's like, those are actually people you like.
You care about them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, a couple more.

Speaker 1 This one's a lot to dissect.

Speaker 1 I'm finally watching Game of Thrones for the first time. I know I'm way behind.

Speaker 1 After watching the first couple of seasons, I was hooked and naturally decided to go on the hub and see what was on there for GOT.

Speaker 1 Which

Speaker 1 I don't think I've ever had that one plus one equals. He went on Pornhub to look for Game of Thrones? Yes.
That's where he goes.

Speaker 6 Wait, is he talking about

Speaker 1 the scenes from Game of Thrones?

Speaker 6 Are you talking about actors and actors

Speaker 1 playing? Yeah.

Speaker 1 After watching the first couple of seasons, I was hooked and naturally decided to go on the hub

Speaker 1 and see what was on there about GOT. No, that's not that.

Speaker 1 Okay, exactly.

Speaker 1 Remember Nailing Palin with Lisa Ann?

Speaker 6 That was pretty good. That was before my time.

Speaker 1 That got everyone into politics.

Speaker 6 What about, like, of course, it's a natural inclination. You watch Game of Thrones, you're like, I'm going to see if they have any brand-related content on pornography.

Speaker 1 And it's like, there's already, like, Game of Thrones is pretty fucking hole. Like,

Speaker 1 you can get your bonks off just watching the show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The first result. was two main characters, John and Daenerys, getting together.
And this part doesn't make sense either.

Speaker 1 Ever since then, it has ruined every near-death experience in Final Story's plot. I'll never do it again.
Because he's just like, don't kill them. I want to jerk off to you again.

Speaker 6 Or maybe he feels like he's become too close to them.

Speaker 1 No, I think that them getting together ruined that they get together later in the season.

Speaker 1 That's a spoiler in the pornhub. Yes.
That's funny.

Speaker 1 That's what the title of the Jimbo is: Game of Thrones, spoiled by the porn.

Speaker 1 Yeah, okay, so they need to do spoiler-free pornhub adaptations. That's so funny.
Not natural, but whatever.

Speaker 1 Teach their own. All right, that was good.
Jimbo's. Wait, there's one more.
This is a good one. Well,

Speaker 1 it's something.

Speaker 1 I drowned my cat on accident by putting the cover of my pool while my cat was swimming. Oh my god.
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a

Speaker 1 jimbos.

Speaker 1 That's so fucked. That's fucked up.

Speaker 1 How do you do that?

Speaker 6 Cats don't swim.

Speaker 6 Cats don't swim. Yeah, but they could maybe be on the guy killed his fucking cat.

Speaker 1 He's trying to get us to be like, don't feel so bad, bro. Hey, don't feel bad.
You killed your fucking cat.

Speaker 6 Hey, speaking of former co-workers that you would want to have a reunion with.

Speaker 6 You sick fuck. You killed your cat, you sick fuck.

Speaker 6 I got harpies.

Speaker 1 Allegedly.

Speaker 1 I had one that was sent to me.

Speaker 1 Let me get that. Okay.

Speaker 1 Here, this one was a bad thing. APMT gang.
APMT gang plus Billy. My fuck up this past week was betting one of my friends $100 that Hank would get the number.
Thought he was due. I was wrong.

Speaker 1 Guy is hopeless when it comes to skill games like the bingo ball.

Speaker 1 That is a big jimbo. It's tough.
It's a big jimbo. Hank? Hank, what have you just got it right now? If he gets it, he gets a PS5.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I'm collecting it. I know.
I know you are. Wait, so Billy, are you ready?

Speaker 6 Wait, if Hank gets this, he gets a PS5. I should get both.
And he gets $5,000.

Speaker 1 And then I'll break the other one. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But you don't get both. One programming note from the lottery machine.
We did an extra one yesterday. I got a a few tweets from this.
It was 26, which had never happened before.

Speaker 1 It doesn't count. It doesn't count.
Because I had people saying they've been picking 26 since they won.

Speaker 3 It doesn't count. They were so pissed.

Speaker 1 It doesn't count. Yeah, that does suck for them.
Yeah, no, that does. Yeah.
This has been the best return on investment. Like, fuck it.
I'm paying a few grand for China. I'll take $17.

Speaker 6 That'd be $17.

Speaker 1 You can't do that. No, you can't do that.
Why not? He already paid it. I pre-paid.
Oh, you did? He did. When I tweeted out the PS5 thing, he replied.

Speaker 6 I thought that we didn't deal with Twitter.

Speaker 1 I thought that what happens in this room is real i mean if you want you no it's fine no no hank can have his little seven it's not gonna hit no no take it if you want to be a scumbag take it okay i'll take it 17.

Speaker 1 all right so you don't get a ps5 that 17 hits no

Speaker 1 what what's your number

Speaker 1 40. okay did you tweet that at me

Speaker 1 No, you did 17 last. Twitter right now.
Okay.

Speaker 7 But that's two. He said only one submission each.

Speaker 1 Fuck you, Billy. I was trying to fucking get him in entrapment.

Speaker 1 Damn it.

Speaker 1 I mean, what do you want me to do? PFT is being our absolute fucking sourceport pussy boy.

Speaker 1 You just told me I could have it. If you're a scumbag.
I said, if you're a scumbag, and you said, okay, I'll take it.

Speaker 6 Fine, Hank can have his little 17.

Speaker 1 All right, thank you.

Speaker 6 You have your little 17, Hank.

Speaker 1 18. PFT, there's a lot of pressure because if you get the right number, that would be so great.
I'm going to go with 40.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 I'll go with 57.

Speaker 14 20.

Speaker 1 Billy, you ready to find someone? Yeah. You're going to find two people.
Yep. You just search my handle and then the number and you just pick two randoms.

Speaker 16 Yep.

Speaker 1 When I say 57, yep.

Speaker 1 75.

Speaker 1 What if nobody picked it up? 75.

Speaker 1 75.

Speaker 1 At least. Here we go.
Latest, yeah. Okay.

Speaker 1 Two random people, Billy.

Speaker 1 This is on Billy. Oh, yes.

Speaker 7 Okay, so

Speaker 7 lots of 75s. We're going to go.

Speaker 1 You pick one. I'll pick one because I got it as well.

Speaker 7 Okay, I'm going to go with

Speaker 7 Andrew Westbrook.

Speaker 1 Okay, Andrew Westbrook.

Speaker 7 West BR00K13.

Speaker 1 Okay, great. And I'm going to go with Kane Mathis.
Kane Mathis. So those two people have won.
I will DM them and let them know.

Speaker 1 And I'll never give away a PS5 again until I do again, because we did gain like 5,000 subscribers on part of my Tick YouTube. So that might be a life hack we need to start doing.

Speaker 1 Okay, see everyone Friday, Jules.

Speaker 6 Love you guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Billy?

Speaker 7 Oh, Cats on Swim.

Speaker 16 It's the Bailey Zappy song.

Speaker 16 It's gonna be a happy song. I said it's the Bailey Zappy song.

Speaker 16 It's the Bailey Zappy song. I said what?

Speaker 16 Bailey Zappy. he be driving,

Speaker 16 made me happy, he be driving, he be driving, Kendrick Bourne, he be iron.

Speaker 16 Take the snap, drop back.

Speaker 16 First time almost had a heart attack. But I know it's Bailey Zappy, make me happy.

Speaker 16 Bailey Zappy, make me happy. I still love me some Mac.

Speaker 1 Can't wait till he gets back.

Speaker 16 Still love me some Mac.

Speaker 16 Can't wait till he gets back Till then it's the Bailey Zappy song

Speaker 16 It's the Bailey Zappy song I said what

Speaker 1 Let's go

Speaker 16 Pass Nation

Speaker 16 Bailey Zappy