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Today is Wednesday, October 26th.

Hank?

Henry?

Dank?

Henry?

Daniel?

Would you like to discuss anything?

How's...

No.

Monday Night Football?

How was your Saturday?

I mean, it feels good on this side of the table. Big Cat, congratulations on the win.
Thank you, PFT. Billy, congratulations on the win.
PFT is the first person on Part of My Tate to congratulate me on the win. Jake, congratulations on your win on Sunday as well.
Max, you're in the World Series. I mean, and your team's undefeated.
Yeah. Incredible.
We're riding high. We're riding.
Oh, basketball. You want to talk basketball? You want to talk basketball? Everybody that has an undefeated team in basketball, raise your hand.
Not so fast, Hank. Oh, so Monday Night Football, Bears-Patriots.
It was quite a game. I was thinking about it.
I think it was probably my favorite Bears game that they've played since probably 2018 against the Rams on Sunday Night Football when we almost made our good friend Jared cry because it was so cold and that defense was awesome. And yeah, the Bears, I, listen, I'm not even going to, I don't care about Hank.
No. At all.
No, definitely not. I'm just excited that the Bears looked good.
Like, Justin Fields looked awesome. The Bears put together a competent game.
They looked like the team that wanted it more. They looked faster.
I was so excited to just see something fun for the first time in a very long time. And now you have to ask, like, why aren't the Bears on primetime more? They probably should be.
It's a shame. We're not going to get to see them for the rest of the season.
No, they're 1 o'clock for the rest of the season. That's too bad.
Maybe some flexes because, I don't know. They're not playing Thanksgiving? Nope.
Nope. 1 o'clock the rest of the season.
We're getting robbed of flexes because i don't know i mean thanksgiving nope nope one o'clock the rest of the season it was nice it was good to see justin fields run because he wanted to run and not because he had to run they had so many good designed runs for him and i like okay so i want to hear from hank because hank's going through it but in terms of like the bears and like that was the first time that they put together an entire game plan with Justin Fields as a quarterback. That was his best performance as a Bear.
And it started right away. I texted you guys.
The fact that on the first drive, when they were, I don't know, around the 30-yard line, it was third and eight or something. They did a pitch play to David Montgomery instead of trying to pass and potentially getting a sack and going backwards.
And it was like, hey, they're trying to find the little ways to always move forward and win this game instead of being like, hey, Justin Fields, try to figure this out with not a great offensive line and not great receivers in these clear throwing downs. And then his runs, his designed runs, his runs where things broke down and he got out of the pocket and like made guys miss it was incredible I'm I'm the happiest I've been in a long time for the Bears and it was fun to watch and I'm just I'm just happy I'm happy you know what you're content you know why you're happy and I can see that you're glowing it's because when you want when you get to watch a team that's got like a fun young quarterback leading your team like all of us got to experience over the course of the weekend that's true like you get you get a you get a buzz going like it it makes the rest of your week that much better and having a guy it improves your mood to have a guy yeah so congratulations i think justin fields took a big step towards towards being a guy this week and the whole time I was like it actually wait I was not until the fourth quarter started where I was like wait are the Bears gonna win this game because it was also like playing with fire I don't know if you saw they had five fumbles and they recovered all of them yeah they're really good there was that moment I was talking about on Sunday when we were talking about the Jets like I was just waiting for the disaster to happen and And I'm not, I jokingly tweeted out that I see them winning the rest of the season.
That obviously isn't the case. But baby steps, steps forward.
Justin Fields looking confident. All these things make me a happy person.
I'm not going to delude myself and pretend they're a good team because they probably still have a long way to go. And Micah Pars is probably going to wreck some shit on sunday but i'm i'm just happy and and going up against maybe the best coach to ever do it and doing that against him in his house belichick told us though he did he said justin fields is a threat every time he touches the ball he did we all laughed and i laughed too but he went on for eight minutes about how explosive Bears are, and it actually proves he's still got it.
I think that the game turned when Mac Jones broke the code, and he went in studs up, and a challenge directly into Javon Brisker's dick. I don't think people were saying, oh, that hit his balls.
I think he went just straight up toe cleat into the dick. And then Brisker made an unreal interception, one-handed interception, that I guess now would be a good segue of where you are, Hank, because after that interception, Mac Jones comes out, Bailey Zappi comes in, probably the most electric two drives.
Of all time. I treated, I was like, I am petrified of Bailey Zappi because he's a gamer.
And it felt like the momentum had completely shifted. I was like, this is going to be a bad ending of the game.
The Bears are screwed now. And then it just didn't happen.
Before I, yeah, I have a lot of thoughts. But I will say, when those two drives happened, I cracked a couple beers.
I got so excited. I was like, it's Monday night.
It's raining. It's kind of just, let's watch this game.
It's probably going to be ugly. Bears stink.
I think Patriots aren't that good. This is what my mindset was.
Okay, this is in the moment. Here's the thing.
The two drives happened, and I was so fired up. I was like, this is fucking awesome.
I don't even blame you for being like, this is, holy shit, we lucked into another great quarterback right here. Because if I was a Patriots fan, I'd probably feel the same way.
And even as a non-Patriots fan, I saw that happening, and I was like, good for Hank. Boston sports fans, you deserve to have a beautiful young quarterback.
You guys have suffered for almost a season and a half. I feel like you've got two half guys.
Here's what I'll say. Hank, the old saying, if you have two quarterbacks, you don't have one.
I think you've got two half quarterbacks. That might actually make you – you've got a quarter of a guy right now.
I have a bone to pick with you guys. If Bailey Zappi and Mac Jones maybe got on each other's shoulders and put a trench coat, yeah, they could get into an R-rated movie.
Before I get into my bone to pick with you guys, I will exactly the same. They do.

It's like Bailey Zappi looks like Mac Jones with just like a little bit,

like if he went to prison for a while,

like a more sinister version.

Bone do you have to pick with us?

I haven't even talked shit.

I'm literally just happy.

The bears could have done that against anyone.

And I would have had the same feeling of just contentment that Justin

Fields finally looked good before I get into that.

If you will let me. Okay, go let me eloquate.
Bone pick away. I've somehow, in the past month or two, I've joined the Sports Town Beat.
It's become one of my main jobs, one of my main roles in life is covering Sports Towns and whether or not they're good or bad. I don't know how it happened, but it has happened.
And everyone says I'm a homer, everyone says I'm a Pat's homer, and everyone says I'm trolling

other fan bases when I do it.

But the fact that Patriots fans were booing Mac Jones, who played well last year, took

us to the playoffs, and was a first-round draft pick, and then were chanting for Bailey

Zappi, that's a bad sports town move.

I did not like that at all.

And if you're Mac Jones, it's like, everyone loves you. I don't care who you are.
If you are a starting quarterback and you have an entire stadium booing you, your home stadium booing you and cheering for the other guy, that's not easy to overcome. Especially when you're coming off an injury, too.
If you were a guy, you could overcome it, though. And this is where I can get into the bone to pick.
You guys are supposed to be, you know, you should take the number one sports podcast, number one football podcast. That's just a fact.
And you are just poisoning people's minds with the fact that game by game, you can decide whether or not you're a guy or not a guy. It's not that simple.
No, you're talking like a guy that has never been in per-guy Torrey. Hold on.
Trying to figure out whether or not your guy exists or he's not the guy. You've had Tom Brady for what feels like two decades.
It was. So you've never gotten to watch football through our eyes the way we see the game.
And through our eyes, we're always wondering if our quarterback is going to do this. And I'm not saying Justin Fields is a guy yet.
He's guy fluid. No, he's guy fluid.
He's guy fluid. He goes back and forth between being a guy and not a guy.
It's the guy narrative. Yeah, he's allowed to choose his own path into becoming a guy, and I'm going to respect that.
So that's what I'm saying. It's game by game.
I also don't appreciate the fact that people are trying to make one choice or the other. You've got to see film.
You've got to get experience. You've got to get some reps under your belt.
Can I just boil down what Hank just said real quick? You're telling, pardon my take, not to be knee-jerk reactions, overreact, have bad takes. Do you know what this show is about? But when it comes to me and my team, I don don't appreciate it and i think you guys are doing a disservice we are the greater football community we sit on a throne of bad takes what if we just sat here every episode and we're like you know uh there's some time there's some yeah i see some nice things but we're gonna have to wait till year three to make a judgment i think that's what you should say what brand Staley's doing is very interesting, and sometimes his methods work and sometimes they don't.
And here's why, according to math. I could see the argument for, I could see the argument against, I don't really know.
That's how I feel. That's how I feel.
That's a terrible podcast. It could be Mack, it could be Zappi.
You just got to give him some time. You got to give him some reps.
I also think it's like Bailey Zappi tried not to throw the Patriots under the bus, and in doing so threw him under the bus. He got asked, did you take any first-team reps this week? And he said, that's a question for – and then he stopped himself and said, you know what, we're focusing on the Jets, which obviously means he didn't get first-team reps and probably should have.
If he did get first-team reps, he probably could have won the game. Mac Jones was hurt, And he was getting booed.
I do agree with you. You can't take that game and make a decision one way or the other.
I do think, though, after the game, I'm back on, like, it's Mac's job to lose. Okay, hold on.
I want to hear if Billy broke down. Because Zappi could have played well.
The best thing that could have happened for Mac Jones is for Zappi to go out there and play that second half the way that he did. And I agree with you, Hank.
I think Belichick made a mistake in that if you're going to start Mac Jones, you just got to let him be the starter. Because when does this – this doesn't work.
Like when you go back and forth, college teams try to do it and it doesn't work in college. Like it's – he kind of put himself in a no-win situation, put Mac Jones in a no-win situation.
Bailey Zappi, if you think it's really going to be Bailey Zappi, he should have started the game. And if you think it's really going to be Mac Jones, he should have finished the game.
I think the situation is much worse. I think it's Matt Patricia's fault, and this is why.
Let's cook. So Mac Jones may have started and taken all the starting reps in practice, but the type of offense that the starting offense was running in that first drive was really a Bailey Zappi offense.
Now let me explain what I'm saying. Pagers are a system.
That's the whole thing. Right, right.
But if you look at the type of play calling that Mac Jones was doing and the types of plays that were being called against Cleveland last week, that scheme was very different to anything they were running last year. And with that, that's because they were to Bailey Zappi's skill set.
Bailey may have been taking reps with the second team, but the first team was taking Bailey Zappi reps. It was his system.
So the rest of the team was taking Bailey Zappi reps, but Bailey Zappi, but Matt Jones was also taking Bailey Zappi reps. Right, and Mac Jones

can't, so those types of

I was looking at the passing concepts

and a lot of them were run

and shoot and air raid

type concepts. Now listen to

this, Bailey Zappi threw

the ball, he had 1300 completions

in his first four years in college

three at Houston Baptist

University, one at

Western Kentucky. With that

if you take all of Mac Jones Thank you. in his first four years in college.
Three at Houston Baptist University, one at Western Kentucky.

With that, if you take all of Mac Jones.

How many of those from under seven?

Wait, Hank, Hank.

Zero.

Billy's doing exactly what you want us to do on this show.

Yeah, he's literally boring us to death.

Being very smart.

But he's smart.

No, he's right.

I think he knows what he's talking about.

Let him go off.

Can't have it both ways, Hank.

Mac Jones only has, I did the math, of his Alabama completions and pro completions. I think it's around 832 completions, which is way less than the 1,300.
The reps that it requires to run that type of offense is a guy like that you need Bailey Zappi. And Matt Patricia wants a quarterback who has played in a pass-first offense who can take the shoulder of the offense, whereas Mac Jones has always played in a run-first pro-style concept with guys who have way good talent.
Like at Alabama, their play, you know, their offensive offense. They did pass a lot.
They did. But they had way good talent.
Their talent, he's throwing to open guys, whereas Bailey Zappi was playing in a scheme-wins-the-game type FCS D1 area where he had to throw the ball to where the defense isn't and where the wide receiver can get there. He's a guy who, you know, it's like third and two.
They're throwing the ball in those types of concepts. It is a pass first offense and that puts a lot less pressure on Matt Patricia and if he's about to game plan in the NFL.
So if you have a guy like Zappi, but the thing is, the downside with Zappi is that his release point is too low for the NFL. If you look at the Cleveland game.
He did look short last night. Right.
If you look at the Cleveland game and if you look at what he did last night, his release point is way too low, causing the ball to get batted down and those interceptions. Yeah, there were those.
Here's one thing. That's good.
And that is my breakdown. Sorry if I ranted.
No, no, that was very good, Billy. So Matt Patricia more than anyone is to blame for last night because they basically put Mac Jones in a situation he was never going to succeed in.
So there's a certain shoot option route that he threw the interception on where you look at either running back or the wide back, scat back, goes into the shoot, goes into the flat. If he's covered, he then turns up the sideline, and that was where Mac Jones was trying to get the ball.
That concept needs to be drilled 1,000 times. It's something that Bailey Zappi did all at Houston in something that is a Bailey Zappi type play.
There was the play before Mac Jones threw the interception. They got him benched.
That play, there was guys going down the sideline that were wide open. You thought it was the sharp wheel.
No, no, no, no. That was a zappy play.
Right, that's an option type. The one that Mac Jones, before he threw the interception, they had two goal routes on the outside, and one of the guys was wide open, and Mac Jones just didn't see it.
Yeah, so in other words, well, first of all, when Billy says, now you guys are going to want to listen to this, I envision all our listeners like doing the meme where they put the earbud in their ear and turn it all the way up and start crying because it's so beautiful. Yeah.
That was good. First of all, that was great, Billy.
I need to translate what you said to Hank because sometimes Hank only hears what he wants to hear. Hank's in a defensive mood right now.
What Billy just said was that Bailey Zappi and Mac Jones are both half guys, and they're not the guy. So that's what I heard.
Really, I think what needs to happen is the offensive line needs to learn to chop down guys who are trying to bat down the ball, something that guys like on the Cardinals are doing that they did for Russell Wilson in Seattle so that he can get those throwing lanes. I think he can be the guy, but he needs to also work on some of the fundamentals that game managers have had.
Which guy? Bailey Zappi needs to work on handing the ball. What about Mac Jones? I agree with that.
Bailey Zappi looks very uncomfortable on handoffs. They should have Mac Jones just be their handoff quarterback.
He's a great game manager. And then have Bailey Zappi do all that other scientific stuff you just said.
Bailey Zappi's Matt Patricia's guy. I don't know if he is the guy.
So, Joe Judge, here's something where it's like, again, the mainstream media and the clickbait-aholics and the people like Big Cat and PFT, they're just going to focus on quarterback play. But the reality of the situation is they couldn't stop fucking Billy Football if he was the quarterback of the Bears last night.
They couldn't stop him. You're calling Billy Justin Fields? Probably better.
No, Justin Fields was running quarterback sweeps that were godly. They did have some design runs.
But that's where it's like everyone's talking about Mac Jones and Bailey Zappi. You're right.
Let's talk about the games. Let's talk about the X's and O's.
Let's talk about defense. What are we doing here? The Bears look like the team that was somehow better prepared and they look faster and stronger and you also had trun prown had like six penalties uh so yeah you're right the the like as a as a totality of the game the patriots did not look ready but of course we're going to talk about the quarterback because that's american sports baby i'm.
I'm a defense guy, personally. It's the number one position in all sports.
Defense was championships, not guys. So where are you at? Where are you at? I am back on, it's Mac Jones' job to lose.
And if he plays poorly, then it's Bailey Zappi's job to win. And if he plays well, then it's Bailey Zappi's job.
Bailey Zappi, it doesn't matter if they won or lost. If he played well in the second half half I would have been like he needs to be the starter going forward he showed besides those first two drives which were again that first throw was not even a good throw and it got tipped but it just the adrenaline and like the energy and and obviously again bad sports time move to boo Mac Jones but the energy when that play happened and those two drives happened was great.
Everyone was fired up. But then he really showed nothing in the second half and had some bad interceptions, some bad throws.
He looked short. We watched the Night in the Gambling Cave when we threw on all the old highlights.
We threw on the Patrick Mahomes and Baker Mayfield college game, Oklahoma-Texas Tech. I was watching that game and you could tell how different Pat Mahomes looked when he was like dropping back.
You could just tell. I don't know what it was, what he changed, but Bailey Zappi looked like Patrick Mahomes in college.
When he dropped back, he was kind of flat-footed. He just didn't really look too fluid.
Something's got to change there. That's my QB analysis.
Okay. You look short and flat-footed.
So you kept saying that you thought about last year, Mack Jones took you to the playoffs last year. You got to the playoffs, I think, with Mack Jones.
Fact. I don't know if you could say he took you there because there were some games where you ran the ball like every single snap except for three.
Well, it was zero, negative 25 degrees. Yeah, but win doesn't matter.
But win doesn't matter, Hank. Winning does.
It does. And then, well, then once he got to the playoffs, like Mac Jones became a guy where he was very, he was ill-equipped to win against a good team in the playoffs.
And now this year, Bailey Zappi has shown more flashes than Mac Jones has shown. Agreed.
He had the entire second half. Let's do a blind resume.
He had the entire second half, and he didn't have to even play amazing. He just had to play decently, solid, show some flashes.
He showed no flashes. Showed flashes in the first half.
But it was a bad throw. Okay, we're doing blind resume, okay? Bailey Zappi is the first quarterback, but he was drafted in the first round.
Mac Jones is the second quarterback, but he was drafted in what, the fourth round? Yeah, fourth or fifth, yeah. So if Mac Jones was drafted in the fourth round and Bailey Zappi was drafted in the first, which guy would you be completely behind? I'm not completely behind either of them.
I would ask, who did Bailey Zappi lead the team to the playoffs last year? Western Kentucky did go to a bowl game. That is a fact.
They also almost won their conference. They played UTSA in San Antonio.
Tough place to play. Great game.
They lost. I just think, again, it's like you guys do this.
You're not going to answer the question. I'm not doing anything.
Knee-jerk reaction, and the world is no no no no no no no no no no no no no what do you think every sports show is leading with this morning like i'm they should be talking about the defense i'm not so so let me i was gonna ask that where are you at on a whole with the patriots team like you have the jets next week are you worried yeah yes very worried i wish we could go to the game we work on Sundays. It's a shame.
That is a shame. Otherwise, I mean, Bill, you can go.
I know. What if we did like a competition between the two of you where you have to eat something real spicy, depending on whichever team wins? I like that a lot.
I like that a lot. Billy? Now that it's my team, 100%.
Okay. So are you like, is this? We're going to have another complete weekend of exactly what happened two weeks ago where Billy's going to freak out on all of us.
Yeah. And, like, threaten to quit.
Get Maxes saying, please, for PMTV views. All right, Hank, I'll meet you halfway.
The NFL is a fucking weird league. Anything can happen anytime.
Like, I went into that game game last night and I did not expect that performance from the Bears or Justin Fields because I haven't seen it before I saw it and I was like holy shit this is awesome I also didn't expect a Bill Belichick coach team to play that like lackadaisical maybe is the word but like they just didn't feel like they wanted it they couldn't stop anything but it's week to week so you never know so you could be back next week i am we talked about it last year we've talked about it this year this whole realization that we're just very mediocre and and even if we somehow make the playoffs aren't probably going to do anything is is it's hard for me it's hard you're struggling i don't really know like i don't i don't really know like where am i with the patriots it's like we could turn it around a lot and maybe make the playoffs and then get smoked again so this is like is there is that this is one of those moments where you wish you were us because i'm going to be living off of like that performance from justin fields he just bought in my mind his fifth year option like that's how overreacting I I am. Again, I don't think the Bears are a very good team, but I saw something last night that I was like, yeah, let's start running this type of offense where he's running a lot more and it's maybe more Lamar Jackson than it is pocket passer.
And Lamar's a good pocket passer, so that's not a knock on Lamar. But use his feet.
He's an electric athlete. He looked really good.
It happened last year, too, when we beat the Bills in the weather doesn't matter game. And it was like, oh, we beat the best team in the league.
We have the best coach. We can make the playoffs and make a run.
When those first two zappy drives happen, it's like, oh, this is something special. Like, this could be a run.
And then the game progresses. And you're like, no, we kind of just suck of just it was an electric moment it was i i was sitting there being like i think i started cracking i it was one of those things where it's like i need i started saying yeah i think hank that um what you're slowly realizing is that belichick isn't a magic wand for everything and you probably going into last year even the year before when like cam newton came out and he played pretty well in that first game you're like oh we got belichick we'll be good we can make it where he's he's that much better than everybody else that he can turn anything into into a good player but i think what you're discovering is that might might not always be true so on the fifth year discussion where are we at with mac jones in the fifth year i just gave justin fields his.
Hank, honestly, if you look at... Hank's not answering that question again.
I'll let you know after this week. Oh, week to week! Week to week! Yeah, you gotta give him time.
So one more week. We were six days too early.
Here's another overreaction I saw last night. People being like, Bilbo checks.
Also, he's not healthy. Until he's healthy, I'm really not going to be able to make a fair decision.
He's got some Grayson Allen in him, though, doesn't he? Should we be having the discussion, like, is Mac Jones a dirty player? Because with the slide, with the studs up, and remember last year he tried to twist that one dude's ankle off? He's a little bit of a dirty guy. He's a competitor.
Hank, looking at the last of the Patriots' offensive drives, we got a fumble, we got a punt caused from a bad down ball, another punt from a bad down ball, two interceptions from batted balls. If you have him running with the first team, Bailey Zappi, that fumble's not going to happen.
If you have the offensive line drilling, trying to hit guys low when they try to jump and swat it down, that might cause some improvement, a little pass blocking. Do you guys have Patricia's number? No.
Fuck. Why? You want to call him? Yeah.
Tell him to get him on the horn with Billy. Yeah, that's right.
But these are all things to have. Just hold the phone up.
But then you're going to have a guy who's going to light it up, and if he learns the run game, you're going to have a pass-first quarterback in a run-first offense. That's going to be dangerous.
You're making a – I hold my quarterbacks responsible. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but I'm not going to just say that all those bad plays and interceptions and shit were not his fault.
Right. The other thing is there was the overreaction on Twitter last night being like Belichick is an average coach without Tom Brady.
Show me any Hall of Fame coach that didn't have great players. That's kind of what you were saying, PFT.
Great players are more important than great coaches are great. Bill Belichick's the best coach of all time.
Not taking anything away from him, but choose any Hall of Fame coach. They had great players.
They don't win with nobodies. That's just a fact.
It's interesting because Joe Gibbs won three Super Bowls with three different starting quarterbacks. He did.
And three different starting running backs. It's just kind of interesting.
Yeah, and one other thing I'll say is I had a lot of Chicago people jumping down my throat because the Bulls beat the Celtics, came back and won, dominated. It's football and baseball season.
Yeah. But I had a lot of people being like, well, you did post a bet that was.
Well, yeah, obviously I bet on the Celtics. Yeah, yeah, right.
Patriots teaser. I mean, it's not the first time.
Like, look at my mentions after a bet loses. But we're moving to Chicago.
I'm going to be a Chicago native soon. We've talked about how New York is an absolute joke of a city and they never won a championship or done anything.
So I root for Chicago's success. I appreciate that.
I hope that when we're there, they can actually make, even just make a championship. And we can enjoy it as a city.
It's like if you're going to live in a city, you want the city to be alive and excited and ready to go. I hope that happens.
People will think Hank's pandering, but he was rooting for the Knicks to get Zion Williamson for this exact reason. He always said he wants the Knicks to be good so that there's something to watch.
And then he went to Brooklyn. That doesn't count.
It's not that far away. But if he was there, it'd be awesome.
Yeah, right there. Okay, so overall, not a guy.
In conclusion, Justin Fields, guy fluid. We have a guy.
He's a guy sexual.

He's going to – that was the first time that I saw it, and I'm just happy.

I'm not saying – I didn't shit talk you.

I didn't say anything.

I don't care.

I'm happy the Bears look good.

And, again, we should be talking about the defense.

But because Bailey Zabby could have played like the guy,

they probably still would have lost.

Justin Fields looked unbelievable. He did.
I like those offenses when teams just decide, okay, we're going to run power, and there's nothing that you're going to be able to do to stop it. Yeah.
Yeah. And Billy, the blocking thing, that's a great point.
We've got to look into that. I think once we figure out the blocking, and was it just chop blocking people? No, but the Patriots haven't had a short quarterback in how many years? Doug Flutie.
Yeah. I mean, who's the offensive line coach? Did he come back? Skarnecchia.
I'll tell you what, if Skarnecchia was on this team, I think that we'd see Bailey Zappi, he'd be in the shotgun, and they'd be chopping guys down when they try to jump and swap passes. I know that sounds a little more like an easy fix scenario, but Zappi, I don't know.
I just think Zappi's got so much reps and experience from throwing the ball like a thousand times more than Mac Jones that you're in your good hands. Alright, last question about this.
Hank, I know you said you're going to go week to week here. Also, the promo in the beginning.
You know, some teams, like the Panthers, when they did it, it was like a Panther jumping on the stadium. They just did a razor.
Razor, yeah, that was crazy. Like, this is how I feel as a Patriots fan.
That was crazy. So, if Mac Jones, I think he's the starter.
I don't think Belichick will do this again, if he struggles for the next two, three starts? Zappy. If he struggles next start.
Zappy? What about if he struggles first drive? No. Okay.
Mac has to play the whole next game. But I need to see both.
I'm not going to make a hard decision one way or the other. If Mac plays bad one game, Zappy.
If Zappy plays bad, it's like you got to earn it. There's some weird stuff going on too because Belichick said at halftime to the sideline reporter when he was coming back out on the field, he said that we're not just going to stick with Zappy in the second half.
We're going to put Mac Jones in there too. And so he was allegedly planning on putting Mac Jones back in the game.
And then he said the score got out of hand. And Mac Jones did say after the game that Belichick told him that they might switch up quarterbacks.
He did give him a heads up beforehand. He actually said that.
He was very transparent in that I could be taken out for Zappi. I just think the fans booing Mac Jones was a little bit classless.
That was a really shitty thing for Mac to have to go through. It's the same shit with Mitch.
It's like you're there rooting for the team. You're not the fucking coach.
Root for whoever the coach has in there. So as the voice of Boston sports fans, Hank, you would like them to be nice to Mac.
Yeah, whoever's a starter, cheer for them. Okay.
You're not smarter than Belichick. I can respect that.
I like that. Okay, anything else from week seven that we missed? We do a little college football as well.
Trying to think. Oh, Oregon's back.
That was nice. That's my big takeaway from college football.
Oregon's back. Brian Kelly's back.
Brian Kelly's back. That game was – we were at that game.
I mean, what was it? It was 17-3, and then they ended up winning 45-20. Like, that was – I feel bad because I do like Lane Kiffin, and he's a recurring guest, but Ole Miss was a big-time, like, fraud top ten team.
Yeah. And I think a lot of people snuff that out when, like, LSU is unranked and they're a favorite against Ole Miss.
Yeah, and Brian Kelly, it turns out, is still a good coach. Very good coach.
And that's never been the knock on Brian Kelly. It's never been like, oh, he can't do anything between the lines.
It's just like he's a weirdo that nobody likes. Right.
I had that conversation with a few LSU fans over the weekend where they're like, you don't like us anymore. I'm like you guys I just don't really like Brian Kelly like I want I want LSU fans to be happy I do not I can't root hard for Brian Kelly yeah I don't think that anyone in Brian Kelly's life really likes him yeah I think he's just like a kind of a miserable grumpy guy but sometimes those guys make the best football and he's a really fucking good coach and his teams always get better.
They get better as the season goes along. And now, like Alabama LSU at LSU is going to be an awesome game.
That game. Under the lights.
Because if you ask someone in September, it's like, oh, yeah, Alabama's going to kill him. But everything we've seen from both teams means that's not even close to a gimme for Alabama.
We got to see a little bit of Baton Rouge ahead of that game. what, three years ago, four years ago? Four years ago.
They didn't score a touchdown. They didn't score a touchdown, but the environment in Death Valley is going to be crazy.
If you give people in Baton Rouge 14 hours to day drink before a game, you're walking into the jaws of hell. They were already.
I mean, it was a 2.30 game on Saturday, and they were prime and ready to go.as is back and by that i mean like they were back to being in the discussion of being back and then they're not back and now they're back to maybe firing the coach i i almost guarantee they're not gonna no i don't think they're gonna fire him so the conversation has started again so the thing with sarkeesian why would you ever fire a guy that just got you arch manning to come to campus the amount of money he's going to bring in is ridiculous but he did commit like ironically the one sin that they care about in texas more than anything sometimes is uh he disrespected the eyes of texas he did song after the game so a couple years ago some of the players wanted to get rid of the song because it traces its roots back to a minstrel show and then all the uh big boosters were like, we need you, Herman. Tell the players that we're going to keep playing the Eyes of Texas.
Herman fought back against them. Then all the boosters turned on Herman.
The fact that Sarkeesian didn't stay on the field for the Eyes of Texas. If your name is Red McCombs, you see that and you're like, I hate this guy.
Get this guy out of my face. Yeah, he's not one of us.
But the bottom line is I don't think they're going to fire him. But they did play.
Texas played good for the first, I don't know, three quarters of that game. Listen, the fact that they're even like, I know it's probably not going to happen because Jimbo Fisher, it's so funny every Saturday now his buyout just trends.
And it's like, how could you feel bad for this guy, I think it's $85 million if someone would have to write a check. And it's all guaranteed.
So every year I was looking at it. It was like even in like seven years they would still owe him like $20 million.
And the record for a buyout, mind you, is $21 million, Gus Malzahn at Auburn. So he's still seven years away from the biggest buyout of all time.
But that is falling apart fast. They're three and four.
And Shane Beamer at South Carolina basically has, like, the same record as him in the SEC the last two years. And everyone thought Texas A&M, all the recruits and everything.
And now with the transfer portal and NIL, like, half of those guys are probably gonna leave yep so uh i would i would also like to acknowledge syracuse football yeah syracuse should have won that game it had it they had it had it very disappointing what did our guy tweet after oh sean tucker sean tucker i i love his tweets after he well he just gives the analysis the guy whether or not he is satisfied with his performance yeah so he said uh let's see Sean Tucker he always gives a recap of his game. Whether or not he is pleased.
Satisfied with his performance. Yeah, so he said, let's see, Sean Tucker, he always gives a recap of the game on his Twitter.
He said, Saturday we lost our first game, Syracuse 21, Clemson 27. I'm not pleased with the outcome of the game, but now it's time to focus on winning out the rest of the season.
I'm pleased with my performance, but there's more I can do, and I'm healthy. Five carries, 54 yards, five receptions, 18 yards, and a TD.
Oh, I didn't think he'd be pleased with his performance. Yeah, that's interesting.
Because he's had times when he's had great games and he hasn't been pleased. Huh.
So now we've got a guy conversation going on in Clemson. Yeah, they pulled Uyungalile.
I think that actually is a situation, though, that DJ ended up winning because Cade K kubnik didn't look incredible yeah but he looked

better than dj uyungalile but dj has looked better at points this season and and i think dabbo said that dj is still going to be the starter he just was turning the ball over so much but that was like weirdly if kate kubnik had come in and lit the world on fire would have been it would have been over dabbo actually right after the game dabbo said i'm gonna stop now. Yep.
We don't have a quarterback controversy. Dabo's a fucking weirdo.
And I'm trying to think, what other big college football? JMU. JMU lost, but we didn't have a starting quarterback.
Todd Centeno was out. And they waited until the last second to announce that, probably because it was homecoming weekend, and they didn't want to announce it earlier in the week because then people wouldn't go to the game uh so we look like we might be in bad shape next year maybe it was a tad early to literally start fitting people for rings championship rings and banners and planning pizza parties but you know what i yeah i would have still done the pizza i had my heart on my sleeve so uh listen if todd Todd Santeo had been healthy, we'd probably win that game against Marshall.
We'd probably win against Louisville this weekend or next weekend. So, there's a lot of woulda, coulda, shoulda.
There's no shame in it. I've started, listen, deep down, I've started to look at how Wisconsin could somehow win the Big Ten West, which would be hard.
It's a possibility. Well, Illinois would have to lose a bunch.
But, yeah, Wisconsin, say something nice about Purdue, they just live to lose to Wisconsin. 16 straight, which is quite something.
Do you see there's a scenario out there with a seven-way tie of the Big Ten West? No, give it to me. Oh, I love this.
I mean, it's too much to even say. But if all these things happen, everyone finishes four and five.
Oh, would be so awesome and uh and a seven-way tie what's the tiebreaker after that that's northwestern because they're four and two against the big 10 west they northwestern well don't know us who's not going to win three games yeah that's the rest of the season but okay all right and uh so if they all i'm in for that i'm rooting for that i I'm rooting for that. Although I see that it has Wisconsin losing to Minnesota.
I'm like, I'm now back into – It's nice in college football that if your season goes to shit, it's like just beat your rival. You know what I mean? Like that can be fine.
It's pretty much what Auburn fans just do every year. Yeah.
Like just beat Alabama and we'll be fine. Everything fixes itself at that point.
Yeah. Okay, let's do Hot Seat, Cool Throne.
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because Hank's so down in the dumps right now.

Yeah.

And Blake said the Celtics team is the best team that he's been on.

Oh, here's Hank.

Don't repeat that.

He missed that.

No, we won't.

We won't.

Sorry.

No one tell Hank what I just said.

No one say that to Hank.

He's just back in the room now.

He has no idea what we just said.

Good to have you back, Hank.

Hot seat, cool trunk.

You piece of shit.

I love you, Hank.

Love you, too. My hot seat is Rob Palenka.
Why are you looking at me like that? I'm waiting for the other part. We're making eye contact because we're doing a podcast.
You're scared to put your eyes out. He's not defensive.
No, he's not. You're not defensive.
I'm saying you're not defensive. You're just lashing out a little bit.

No, no, no.

He's not defensive.

Okay, my mistake.

You weren't lashing out.

If I get attacked, I'm attacking back.

I guess technically that's defensive.

I'm not submissive is what you guys want me to be.

Bonk.

They came out today.

The Jazz at one point were willing to trade Bogdanovich, Mike Conley, Rudy Gay,

and first-round pick to the Lakers for Russell Westbrook and two first-round picks.

Wow.

And they didn't do it.

Wow.

That's embarrassing.

Why would the Jazz do that?

Oh, I guess they're trying to tank.

Yeah, the Jazz are in a weird position, right?

Well, they're doing the Danny Ainge thing.

They might accidentally be playing too well to tank.

Spurs.

Yeah.

Spurs are undefeated, right? Yeah. No, the Jazz are undefeated.
Spurs have lost once? They beat the Sixers, but, you know. What? Do the Sixers have a win? Does that say anything? The Jazz are just in a position where they're like, nobody told us that we're supposed to suck, so we're going to go out there.
Well, it's because Danny H hired a Celtics assistant and he's coaching the boys up yeah so Palenka did not trade Westbrook what was it Kirk Goldsberry had an interesting stat the other night it was like Russell Westbrook's shot that he took on Sunday was the first shot in something like 10 years for a player to shoot like a jump shot with a lead with less than two minutes left and more than 15 seconds left on the shot clock. It was, I mean, for whatever reason, I had the trailblazers and the hungry dogs, so I was intently watching that game.
I could not believe the way the last two minutes unfolded. Like the Lakers were dominating the game.
They put Westbrook in the end and he tanked the game. It sucks because we're not going to be able to tell the next generation that Russell Westbrook was a good player, like an awesome player at one point.
No, I would retire if I were him. I would demand a trade back to Oklahoma City and play the rest of the season, get a triple-double, and retire.
I would play in Tracy McGrady's one-on-one league. It is shocking.
He can't shoot. When he shoots and you're like, you've played, I don't know, 50,000 hours of basketball? Yeah.
And the shot thing still doesn't work? That just blows my mind. I've seen the Ben Simmons stats.
It's like 15 points, 17 fouls or something. Yeah, 14 points, 17 fouls.
Turns out Ben heads here, we're Ball's life and what we tell you, everyone needs to remember you can listen to all the different podcasts and all the analysis, Ball needs to go in hoop simple that's rule one Russell Westbrook and Ben Simmons they don't put Ball in hoop you. You got to score the basketball in the NBA.
Ball goes in hoop. Figure out everything else.
It's literally why, like, why does Steph Curry have four titles? He puts ball in hoop. You know that old drill tweet, like, keep screaming at me, it only makes my opinions worse? Yeah.
That's what's happening with Russell Westbrook's jump shot. Yeah.
Everyone's telling you, everyone's booing you and trying to get you to stop shooting. It worked on Ben Simmons, but it's actually just making Westbrook shoot the ball more often.
Yeah, he went 0-for-11 the other night. It was crazy.
I hope it gets worse. I hope he just...
I feel bad for him. I don't know why.
I just do. I feel bad for him because I think...
I don't know. I just always feel bad for any LeBron teammate.
Yeah. That's just kind of what it comes down to.
It has nothing to do with the abuse from fans or anything like that. It's just...
Yeah, to work with LeBron James. Westbrook is a funny thing to say.
I know that he doesn't like it, but just dealing with LeBron. He's a scapegoat.
Every LeBron team needs one. That's probably why he got put in the game.
LeBron's like, I'm not winning this game against the Blazers. Let's put in Westbrook so we can all blame him.
I wouldn't be shocked. Do you see what Ham said when they asked the coach of the Lakers why

is Westbrook coming off the bench?

Is that possibly putting him in a

position where he could get injured?

Because Westbrook told the reporters

that he pulled his hamstring

because he's not used to coming

off the bench. And then their

coach had to go out there and say

as diplomatically as possible,

we're not starting him because he's not good

enough, but no, we're not intentionally injuring him. Right, right.
So his new excuse is like, I can't score if you pull me off the bench. Fun times for the Lakers.
Who do they play tonight? Do they play anyone tonight? Just bet against them? They're at Denver on Wednesday night, yes. So technically tonight.
Nuggets going to smoke them. My nuggets.
Get out of the L Lakers pack. My nugs deep in their bed.
You don't like that? You don't like that? That's good. Then my cool throne is Billy McFarland.
Yes. Firefest segment creator.
He's out of jail. And he announced he's got a new festival coming.
Nice. We should go.
We should play. We should go as a podcast.
We should perform. Yeah, but we should also attend.
Of course. And complain.
And sue. I would love to be a performer at this festival.
There you go. I would.
I would suck a dick. You like that guy for the pallet of water? That's me.
I would be that guy to be able to perform at Billy McFarlane. Throw it yeah long time awl billy mcfarland you're listening right now let's do it let's link up let's build yeah all right pft your hot seat cool turn um my hot seat is major league rugby major league rugby we've been covering a lot of cheating scandals on this podcast recently, from the chess anal beads controversy to the Fat Bear Week, Stop the Steal voting issues.
Major League Rugby. Fishing.
Fishing. Yeah, the fishing.
We've just gotten word just a couple hours ago that Major League Rugby has permanently canceled two franchises, Austin and Los Angeles. Oh, no.
They just closed the teams up. And I think Austin— I didn't know that there was a franchised rugby league.
It's called Major League Rugby, yes, Hank. So the Gilgronis was the name of the team in Austin.
The Giltinis was the name of the team in Los Angeles. They were both owned by the same guy, which is weird.
And he named the team after himself and his drink in order to promote it. Real weird stuff going on.
Anyways, they were circumventing the salary cap flagrantly to a point that it got so bad that Major League Rugby said, okay, you guys can't play in the playoffs because we found all this bad stuff about you. Oh, and also we're closing up the entire franchise in Los Angeles.
Damn. And Austin, and you're not moving forward as a team anymore.
Damn. Pretty crazy stuff.
Death sentence. Pretty crazy stuff.
That is crazy. My hot seat, oh wait, my cool throne is Phil Kessel.
Yeah. Phil Kessel, hockey's Iron Man.
Yes. He set the record for most consecutive games played, and Phil Kessel is, if you take one look at him, you know this is what you can accomplish if you take your nutrition and your conditioning seriously as a professional athlete.
You can play forever. So I hope that lesson is well learned on the youngsters of today because Phil Kessel is a fucking man.
Yes. It's crazy that he's going to be hockey's's Ironman.
Keith Yandles, who he's passing? Yeah. Yeah.
Hockey's Ironman. I love the picture that goes viral anytime something happens with Phil Kessel where he's holding the puck.
I forget what record he set with the puck, but they Photoshopped a tin of dip onto it, and so it looks like he's just holding up from Copenhagen. Yes.
He's got the potbell he looks like he looks like roy from the office when he got his dui yeah i just love phil castle he's the man he is the man the absolute man we gotta get him on the show um all right my hot seat is uh me because i actually am giving away a ps5 two of them and uh i made the joke i've been doing the hack joke for a while now i I thought I was going to have to do it when Bailey Zappi came in.

I thought I was going to have to do it before the game started

because the Bears have not been good.

So I decided to flip it, and because the Bears won, I'm giving away two.

So if you're listening to this right now,

everyone had to have guessed their number.

I'm going to have Billy.

Billy, after the number is done,

you're just going to Twitter search my name and the number that wins,

and then you're going to pick two random people.

That's how it's going to be done.

There's 40,000 replies to the tweet.

Only two of them are winning.

I think I'm retiring from the PS5 game.

This was a mistake, a very big mistake.

I don't even know how to get a PS5 because you can't just buy them on Amazon.

But, yes, that's how we're going to do it.

So, end of the show, listen, and those two people will be the winners.

We'll announce them.

My cool throne is Aaron Rodgers because his teammates suck, and that's what he said. So it's not his fault.
He said my teammates suck? Well, no, he said his exact quote was, let's see, he was on the Pat McAfee show. He said, let's see, we had too many mental mistakes and errors on Sunday.
It seems like we have double-digit mistakes every week. Guys who are making too many mistakes shouldn't be playing, got to start cutting some reps.
So it's not his fault. It's his teammates' fault.
Didn't he also say, like, David Bakhtieri, some days he wakes up and he's like, okay, I can play football today. And other days he wakes up and his knee hurts so bad that he's like, I can't play.
This is one of the non-football days. Yes.
Yes. I also.
That's got to be tough. We're like, just depending on what side of the bed you wake up on, you can be like an all pro athlete.
Right. And then just other mornings you wake up and you're like, fuck this.
This sucks. Yeah.
I'm going to, we're in the trust tree. So I'm going to say something deep down that I thought on Monday night football.
And I know that this will then be spun for Packers fans to be like, you can't stop thinking about us, but I definitely had the thought in the fourth quarter, like, why can't we just do this against the Packers? You could. And that, it would be nice.
Oh, I forgot, too. I forgot to throw the stat back at you, Billy.
God damn it, your analysis was so good, but because Billy did the insult stat after the Jets beat the Packers, the Bears have beaten the Patriots more times than the Jets have in the last six years. That's very fair.
Yeah. That's a very fair stat.
So basically when exactly is – like I was like, what if this happens? And then it happened. But yeah.
Hopefully in three weeks it's a different stat, but I appreciate it. And I want it on the record.
I'm not deluding myself to think the Bears are good. I'm just happy about Justin Fields.
Very happy. He's very – I mean, the design runs.
It was good. It looked good.
It looked good. I'm happy.
Those Bears could beat these Packers. No, no.
Yeah. Those Bears – Could beat these Packers.
They could beat these Packers. Yeah.
Watch out. Billy.
My hot seat is Mike Evans. So there was a video of after the game against the Panthers where an official line judge gave him a piece of paper and Mike Evans wrote something on it.
There was an investigation by the NFL. They thought there was an autograph-seeking scandal, some sort of weird interaction, which I didn't even know the line judges weren't allowed to get autographs.

But Mike Evans is saying that the line judge was giving him the number, giving his number to a golf pro so Mike Evans could get better at golfing. Right.

Not an autograph.

It was actually perfect because they were like, no, we've done an investigation.

Here's what happened.

And it doesn't sound any different because it's like the ref is a Texas A&M alum and Mike Evans is texas a&m alum and they were getting the college coach from texas a&m golfing coach to give like they were trying to link up something with texas a&m so it's like wait so this is this is just the same as an autograph it's basically a guy who went to the same college being like hey can i get your number to pass it along and do you a favor it's better than an autograph yeah he's helping him out with his golf game It's like a million times better. I think that what players should have to do, though, after games, is they should have to sign a scorecard after a loss.
Like, imagine Tom Brady, the ref walks up to him, it's like, here, you just got beaten by the Panthers, but you still have to sign off. Yeah, is this correct? You only have three points.
Yeah, is that correct? Authenticate it right here. That'd be awesome.
Yeah, that would be sick. Hank, are you okay? Speaking of sick.
Yeah. Your voice sounds better.
Thank you. Your demeanor, maybe not.
I need a water. Okay, I'll get you one.
Thanks, pick up. And my cool throne is my quarterback rankings.
Yeah. Sam Ellinger is now a starting quarterback as of this Sunday in the NFL.
Yeah, good job, Billy. Billy's having a fucking show right now.
You know what? This is like Billy low-key snapped when the Sam Ellinger news came out because he's like, okay, everything I've thought has been validated. So now Billy's going to be a very dangerous weapon moving forward.
But all of his quarterback opinions are going to be gold. That's why he went off and delivered like a graduate level thesis on Bailey Zappi is because he's riding high off the Sam Ellinger news.
Billy, I don't want it because I told you right away yesterday. I was like, congrats.
This is huge. But you know, this is now like there's something that to be said for your quarterback rankings, always have Sam Ellinger and him never getting a shot.
You can basically be like, I was never wrong. Now he has to play well because if he stinks, then you are wrong.
The pressure has gotten bigger. I know.
I haven't really accomplished anything. The Wizard of Oz, you know, where you didn't get the curtain pulled out and we're going to see that, okay, it was just preseason, or we're going to, you know.
You're going to be super right. You've got to stand behind your take.
I am. No, you are.
No, it's just like there is – it is nice when you can be like, that guy was great and you never have to prove one way or the other. You now – like Sam Ellinger is going to get a legit shot.
Matt Ryan put out to pasture, which was, I think, good because it was painful to watch him. If he takes them to the playoffs? That would be – if he takes them to the playoffs and the Jaguars don't go to the playoffs, is that a dub? Yeah, that's a dub, of course.
It doesn't matter. Jaguars could...
If Sam Ellinger goes to the playoffs, you're in. The original take was Sam Ellinger was a better quarterback than Trevor Lawrence.
I don't think it matters. I think the original take was Sam Ellinger is the best quarterback in this draft.
Yeah, no, if Sam Ellinger even looks. He won the bracket.
If they finish above .500, I think you get a dub. I think that's where the bar is.
I don't even think it's playoffs. I think if they can, they're 3-3-1 right now.
If they finish the season, 9 would be 9-7-1. Yeah, they could go.
9-7-1. No, 8-8-1 I don't think is a dub because that would just be status quo of Matt Ryan.
But if they go 8-9-7-1, that's a dub for Billy. What's his war? His wins above Ryan.
If that equals one, then you're good. I think it would be the most hilarious would be if they just came in and they went old school and just ran Jonathan Taylor 35 times a game and asked him to be a game manager.
They make the playoffs and then you can still claim he's a better quarterback than Trevor Lawrence. That's what I'm hoping for.
I do think he's going to look better than Matt Ryan because their offensive line is not good and Matt Ryan's running for his life and Sam Allinger can actually run. It just all depends on the gate plan.
If they play to his strengths, I think they have been preparing for this, waiting, coaching him up until he got to this point where they're like, okay, he's finally ready to start. That one interception by Matt Ryan was like such an old man.
I think they just looked at that tape when he just threw a five-yard pass in the middle of the field to a Titans player and he's like, just stop this. Stop this.
I can't decide if Billy being right about Sam Ellinger would be the best thing for his development or the worst thing for his development. I'm rooting for his take.
It could be very dangerous for this podcast if Billy really starts feeling himself off this. Well, my Bailey's happy take from before the season has come through.
I always thought he had way more experience throwing the football, literally, that I think would impact how he does in the NFL, and that might come true. I think this is one of those situations, PFT, we need to root for Billy, and then we'll just deal with it later.
And it probably would be bad, but we'll deal with it later. I could really crash and burn.
Yeah, you could. On Sunday, Jets could lose.
Sam Ellinger could throw like 10 picks. Oh, it could be a terrible, terrible day.
Yeah, it could be bad. When does the pads play? Oh, and then you'd have to eat Spacey sandwich too.
The Jets. Yes.
So you are in, this is maybe the biggest Sunday of your life. So Zappy.
And the Colts play the Commanders. Yes.
So this is the biggest Sunday of your life. Zappy could play horribly.
No, it's Mac Jones. It's going to be Mac.
It's going to be Mac Jones. We think so? But Mac Jones, if he plays horribly, then that's good for you.
Actually, I think I got my bets in the right place because then if they play terribly, my Zappy takes bad, and Mac Jones is bad, Zappy gets in, Zappy's bad, that means the Jets have to win. So then they win.
Either way, we're going to have a Billy Parlay in the Barstool Sportsbook. Colts and Jets to win.
That would be great. Yeah, perfect.
Yeah. Okay.
I agree. I think that we should encourage him along these lines because it's like all things considered, there are much more dangerous things that Billy could become passionate about than quarterback evaluation.
Right. It's like if somebody had gone back in time in the 1920s and been like, you know, Adolph, this art's pretty good.
You should probably stick with that. Jake.
If the Jets and Colts win, this Monday show is going to be interesting. Yeah.
And it's both of your teams, too. So either way, there will be blood, which is buckle up.
I'm just – Bears could lose every game. It's like I saw it once.
That's all I need. I'll be committed to Justin Fields for life.
Yeah. My hot seat is giving away ties.
Oh, Jim Nance. This will be Jim Nance's final NCAA tournament.
As the voice of the Final Four, Ian Eagle, Syracuse's own, will be replacing him. So, yeah, it's kind of crazy.
Yeah. Passing the torch.
It's going to be very strange not having a Final Four with Jim Nance. Well, he'll still be there.
He'll be doing the trophy presentation every year. Okay, good.
It's actually similar to the conversation we were having earlier. Joe Buck not being in the World Series is definitely going to bother me a little.
Joe Davis was great. I like him.
Jim Nance still going to be doing the Masters, right? Joe Davis did not go to Syracuse. Where did he go to school? I want to say Beloit College.
Oh. What's that? It's in Wisconsin.
Beloit. Yeah.
What's the sound of a fart in a toilet? That's funny. That's a Beloit.
Yeah, I was right. Yeah.
So is he still going to be doing the Masters? Yeah, he's still doing NFL and golf. Okay.
Okay. So I am going to miss it, but I understand he's probably in the twilight of his career.
Crazy. Yeah.
I don't know. Sad.
That would be a sad one. Yeah.
But he's got a good replacement coming as well. Nah.
It's not Jim Nance. Yeah, he does.
Nah. Nah.
My cool. You can't make us love stepdad.
You can't. You can't.
Does Ian Eagle, does he carry around a picture in his pocket of how he likes his toast cooked?

Also, it just ruins the whole like this is.

Does Jim Nance do that?

You don't know that?

Oh, no.

Jim Nance rolls with a photograph of toast in his pocket.

So when he orders toast at a restaurant, he shows it to the waitress or the waiter and says, this is how I like my toast.

This is what I want.

That's crazy.

I love it, though.

And it also kind of ruins like Jim Nance season.

Like March into April was always like, hey, let's get it going. Well, no, we'll still have it because it's still going.
But it's not the same. No, this year.
What? But no, he's a trophy presentation. He'll be in the building.
No, that's not. Come on.
And he's not calling the Elite Eight either. Okay.
Yeah, I think he's done with college basketball. I love Jim Nance, but I think this is kind of horseshit what he's doing.
I think you have to either get out of the Final Four all the way or you're in it all the way you can't just say I'm not going to announce the game but then kick it to me for the trophy presentation that's kind of bullshit I kind of view the Final Four and Masters as the same they just kind of blend together so you yeah Jim Nance fuck you wow dead to us dead to us but you guys love him on the show Jim Nance yeah so we can tell him he's dead to us would we love Jim Nance on the show sure I think so yeah but he's dead to us I think he'd give an aura of class to this show yeah there's an award named after him oh really I competed in it how'd you. How did you finish? I was ninth.
Ninth. I knew that.
You remember that? I knew that. Every year there's the rankings of the collegiate sports broadcasters.
In my senior year, I finished ninth. Top ten.
I'll take that. Yeah.
A lot of good competition. Let's be a little bit.
I mean, there's always room for improvement, but there's a lot of good competition out there. Let's have a look.
How many people competed? I have no clue. No.
No. There's probably over a hundred or five.
That's good. Over nine people competed.
Yeah. So Jim Nance won Last Dance in Houston, which is where you went to school this year.
Or where you went to school, that's where the final four is this year. Yes, that's right.
With Freddie Boom Boom couples. Yes.
And my cool throne is the jackets. I don't know if we have any in here, but new part of my take starter jackets.
Yep. The Barstool store.
We have the black one, and we have the blue Coors Light one. Yeah.
Awesome. I'll just say the black jacket.
You have the blue one. Is that on? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
There it is. I got the blue one right here.
The blue one's very nice. I will say the black jacket that Jake got, maybe my favorite piece of merch that we've ever put out as a podcast.
Yeah. It's awesome.
It's awesome. Is that good? Very comfortable with winter coming up.
Look at this. Definitely a good addition.
It looks great. Yeah.
And Blake Griffin's going to get one. There's like the beer bottle with the face on it in the back, right? Yep.
It's a solid jacket. Starter just is incapable of making subpar merchandise.
Yes, I'd agree. Okay.
Thank you, Jake. Let's get to our interviews.
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Okay, here he is, John Kruk. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest.
It is Philadelphia Phillies legend. He also still works with the organization calling games.
John Kruk. Kruk-y, cancky can i ask that first because yeah you call me whatever y'all want because because we know you as crucky we know you as the legend um thanks thanks for joining us and uh congrats on on the phillies getting to the world series let's start there with just what the scene has been and you've been around this team all year

uh like what has been the noticeable change that you've seen for them to get all the way to the world series for a team that was struggling to even get in the playoffs like mid-september yeah you know i i it's so hard to put your finger on one thing how this turned around for this team But but um you know what happened in september you know bryce finally came back after missing two months with the thumb thumb broken thumb and the you know surgery segura missed a ton of time with a broken finger uh and it took a while for those two guys was you know especially bryce b. Bryce really struggled after coming off the injured list.

But, man, once this postseason started, you know,

I always think that when you're playing postseason baseball,

if your best players are playing good, which the Phillies players are,

you know, you've got a chance.

And, you know, besides the one hiccup from Aaron Nolan, game two against the Padres, Aaron's been great. He exercised those September demons, thank God.
And Wheeler's been just unbelievable this whole postseason. But, you know, that's what it takes.
They got lucky that they have gotten to set up their rotation where Wheeler and Nolan can go games one and two in the series that they've played in. And it's going to turn out that way too in the World Series.
So they're lucky that way to be able to set up their rotation coming in as the third Bobcard team. Yeah, I used to love watching you play back in the day.
The 90s Phillies teamsies teams were a lot of fun the characters on that team yourself lenny dykstra recurring guest of the show uh darren dalton mitch wild thing do you see any any similarities between this phillies team to the way that you guys used to play yeah i really do uh you know i i think you know, we didn't have the power that this team has,

but our situational hitting, our basic offensive fundamentals

were better than what they have on this team currently.

But, you know, what I really think turned this team around is,

and, you know, I say older guys.

I mean, Bryce just turned 30. I think Real Mo's just turned 30 so they're not they're not old guy but the young guys the stats the veerlings the maytons you know they they brought in a whole different energy for this team and i think the older guys are feeding off these young players alec bohms another one that one, that are feeding off these young kids' energy.
And it's a wonderful thing to see because, you know, these young kids at the bottom, they're hitting in the bottom of the lineup, but they're getting on base, they're producing. Stott and Marsh and those guys, you know, most teams when you get to eight, nine, okay, if we get something out of them or we feel good about it.
But, you know, their bottom, I mean, my God, I think their best personal, their best overall hitter about, you know, going the other way average-wise is Gene Segura. He hits eighth.
Yeah. So, I mean, the bottom of the lineup's done a lot, but I really think you know what they call the daycare the young kids i think is infused some energy in these guys and uh you know dave dombrowski said something the other day about uh kyle schwarmer and he said kyle schwarmer when he walked in that clubhouse reminded me when he traded for darren dalton there when he was with the Marlins in 97 and they

ended up winning the World Series they said when Darren Dalton walked in that room after getting a

trade he said we had a leader yeah and I think Kyle Schwarber has uh and he compared Kyle Schwarber

to Darren and so that's that's like the hugest compliment you can get but uh you know I I you

didn't see it last year you didn't see it and I've told some of these guys you know I hated watching

Sure, I'll have a look. compliment you can get but uh you know i i you didn't see it last year you didn't see it and i've told some of these guys you know i hated watching them the last few years i mean you know they pay us to watch them but i hated watching as a strikeout or home run pop up i mean it was boring as hell uh but you know i think kevin long coming in uh they changed their offensive philosophy as far as you know they're they're aggressive early.
They're not taking strike one, strike two, and then going to battle after getting 0-2. These pitchers are too good now.
You can't just let them, you know, especially, you know, in this division, you're facing the Braves and the Mets a ton like the Phillies have to, and even the Marlins. You know, if you let those guys, you let Scherzer, DeGrom, and Alcantara,lins um you know if you let those guys you let scherzer de grom and alcantara and and uh you know any of the braves pitchers really you let them get strike one you might as well walk back to dugout and put your bat away because you're just wasting your time you know they're gonna eventually get you out but and uh you know i but i love what kevin long has done as far as making these guys not, but encouraging them to be more aggressive early in the count.
You see Bryce Castellanos, Schwerber will take pitches, but every once in a while he'll jump that first one. And it's just more fun baseball to watch this year than it has been any other year I've been a part of this organization so you you bring up a couple years ago and you were very vocal i appreciate that because there's some a lot of times uh guys who are getting paid by the organization are not going to be as vocal or is this critical was there ever an awkward moment where someone in the clubhouse was like hey crock like you know fuck you man like what's what's your deal or has anyone has, hey, I remember a couple years ago? Or are you just maybe vindicated by everything you said? Well, I will tell you this.
I've never – like, Bryce and I talk a lot. And, you know, I don't think these guys – I think they understand that, yes, they were playing boring baseball and it was tough to watch the last few years i've only had one guy ever say something to me about some of the things i've said and i thought to myself well that's odd i don't remember saying anything negative about this guy or whoever after a game and uh you know come to find out he had the wrong damn guy.
And, you know, so I'm like, but no, you know what? The players know, you know, the guys that have been around, Reese, you know, Bryce, JT, you know, guys that have been around a while, Aaron, Noah, Zach, they know that this is the way I am. And, you know, if they don't play the game the right way, then it has to be said.
I commented on Bryce this year. He hit a ball off the wall.
He had to stretch it into a double, bang, bang, play. They had a review.
They called him safe. And I said it on the air.
I said, that's not winning baseball. You've got to run.
You can't assume that it's going to be a home run or you can't assume it's going to be caught. You know, if the player catches it, that stops you, right? But you run hard until he catches it.
And you know what? The next day, Bryce said, you know what? You're right. That was not the right way to prepare, the right way to play the game.
And so, you know, I think these guys get it. I think, well, I'll tell you this.
This group right now that they have on their playoff roster, these guys understand and they're proving it. And look, they're going to make mistakes.
They're going to make errors. They're going to make base running mistakes.
Every team does it. but they're playing more winning baseball right now

than any other time i've seen them yeah yeah um i want to talk about some of your career if we could for a little bit i missed the mullet you don't have the mullet anymore do you oh man you know what i had it going all summer i didn't cut my hair like i'll get the clippers and do the sides because I hate hair on my ears.

And so after the season was over, I come home.

And I... my hair like I'll get the clippers and do the sides because just I hate hair on my ears and so after the season was over I come home and uh my daughter's a senior in high school and she had her senior night for volleyball right so I think it was on a Thursday and so Monday when I got home after the season was over she said you got to do to do me a favor.
And I said, yeah, whatever. What do you need? She said, there's no way you're walking me out on the court with that hair.
So I had to get a haircut for her. And so it's short.
But, man, I had one rolling, man. It was getting there.
I mean, it was long. Like when I took a shower, you know, you can shake your head.
You can feel the water feel the water going everywhere and i say yes i'm back in the 90s man but man she put a she put a halt to that quick it was a great looking mullet it really was great mullet that that whole everybody on that team it was kind of like a bunch of lovable dirt bags a little bit and you guys were really fun to watch and uh i i read a story earlier today how you quit, how you decided to walk away, how you retired from baseball. You walked away on your own terms.
But I wanted to hear you tell the story because I read like a 20-year-old article, and I'm not so sure that they got everything correct. Well, you know, I went through.
So I told Jim Abbott, they were talking about trading and Jim was our best pitcher. So I told him one day on the bus, I said, hey, you know, this is after a few adult beverages.
And I probably shouldn't have said it, but I told him and I said, you know, if they trade you, that means that other guys are going to get traded and the White Sox are going to be back to a rebuilding phase. And I said, if you get traded, I'm going to retire because I had gone to see a doctor and I was I knew after the season I was going to have to have like my 10th knee surgery.
and so I went to an orthopedic doctor in Baltimore when we got there

and he

did 10th knee surgery. Uh, and so I went to an orthopedic doctor in Baltimore when we got there and he did, they did an MRI and whatever.
And he said, you know, we have the one more surgery we have to do, but when we do it, you're done playing. Well, prior to that, I had told Jim and it was, it was Jim Ozzie Guillen, who I who i love oh i love all these guys kurt mccaskell and scott radinski and robin ventura so we go up to jim abbott's room when we go to i think we landed in boston and jim abbott had been we found out after we got to the hotel that jim abbott was traded so we all go up to his room you know we're drinking beer whatever and and abby Abby looks at me and he goes, hey, you're going to hold true to what you said.
I'm like, wow, man, who knows what the hell I said, you know, but you tell me, what did I say? He said, well, you said if I got traded to retire. I said, yeah, screw it.
I'm done. I can't I couldn't hardly move anymore.
I wanted to play. I would love to play two or three more years, but with my health and my knees or whatever, I just couldn't do it.
So these geniuses all decided, well, we're going to come up with a plan, a creative way for you to retire. I said, hey, whatever you all decide, I'm in.
Because at this point, I don't really give a rat. And so, so they started talking and they come up with different ideas.
They said, how about, how about you just get a base hit, you call timeout and walk off the field. I'm like, I see, yeah, I can do that.
No big deal. So we're in Boston, three games.
And I'm waiting to get a a hit they actually called up a guy too uh to take my place but i had to tell i had to tell the general manager uh ron shore and terry bevick there was a manager so i had to tell them what was going on so they called up this player that was going to take my place as soon as i retire and so we're up in boston, first game over, second game over, third game over. And I'm like, oh crap.
So I got, now I got to go to fricking Baltimore. And it was awful.
I didn't think I'd ever get another hit the rest of my life, to be honest with you. So I thought, you know, I grew up not far from Baltimore.
I know my parents are going to be there. They'll come down to watch the games with some buddies of mine.
And, you know, if I can get a hit, I'll just, you know, shit can it and go home with them. Go back to West Virginia.
All right. Big move.
So Friday night or Friday, I had lunch with my with my mom and dad. And I said, I just want let y'all know if I get a hit and you see me walk off the field, I'm retired.
And my dad's like, it is my dad. Perfect.
And I guess I can curse, right? Yeah, yeah. Shit, fuck.
Okay, good. So my dad looked at me.
And in his beautiful wisdom that he possessed, he said, well, get that fucker today because it's supposed to be higher than shit all weekend. I ain't sitting out in the hot wait for you to get a damn hit.
Wow, there's pressure there. That's incredible.
So Friday night in Baltimore, I got nothing. 0 for a game.

Well, this poor guy that they called up, I can't remember who it was now,

every day they asked me, hey, today, you think today's the day?

Yeah, I wouldn't count on it.

This guy's waiting to get put on a major league roster.

And I'm like, man, I wouldn't count on it today.

Saturday, it was so bad that Terry Bevington called me in. He said, I can't play.
You're off. He said, I'm giving you a day.
He said, you'll play Sunday though. I'm like, okay, whatever.
I ended up pinch hitting that night. Struck out, got kicked out of the game.
Probably would have got suspended because I told him I was going to find him after the game and kill him. Which I shouldn't have said.
I don't even know the guy, but, you know, that just came out. So Doug Jones was a closer for the Orioles, and Doug was with the Phillies the year before with us.
And so I see Doug, and we're talking, and Doug's like, so how you been? I said, Doug, you've seen me the last two nights. And I said, matter of fact, you struck me out.
I don't think I swung. I said, when's the last time you've ever seen that? And he said, yeah.
He said, yeah, our scouting report said you're struggling a little bit. We're going to challenge you.
I said, challenge me. He said, all you got to do is put it on a tee and I'll make it out.
So I asked him, I said, I said, who's pitching Sunday? And he said, Scott Erickson. I said, is he a good guy? He said, oh yeah, he's a really good guy.
I said, well, you do me a favor. I said, we suck.
I can't get a hit. I don't want to go back to Chicago.
I want to go home. He goes, what the hell are you talking about? I said, well, if I can get another hit, I'm retired.
He said, all right. He said, I said, so I said, can you tell Scott Erickson to throw me just a nothing BP fastball right down the middle so I can try to get this hit and get the hell out of here? And so he said, I tell you what, he said, I'll talk to him.
I'll talk to him tomorrow before the game. And when you're coming up the bat, looking the dugout, and if I'm tipping my hat, he said, that means he's on board.
I'm board. I'm like, Oh man, thank God, man.
I'm in the on deck circle. I don't see Doug Jones anywhere in the dugout.
And I'm like, Oh God, I'm on my own. And so I'm walking up and I'm like probably five feet from the batter's box.
And I see Jonesy come flying down, right. You know, like I'm like oh thank god and he did he threw me a bp fastball I got the dog crap jammed out of me and hit a little blooper over Cal's head for for a base hit so I'm on first base now the only people that know this that I, that I'm retiring and walking off the field was, of course, the guys in the room, Ozzie, Kurt, Scott Radensky, and those guys, and Abby, of course.
And so the first base coach, Ron Papajak, Ron Jackson, you know, and Rafael Palmeiro's playing first. Frank start,

Frank Thomas starts coming out of the third base dugout.

Frank's going to run for me now.

First time in the history of baseball,

Frank Thomas has ever pinched someone. Yeah.

And I thought, well, I can't be this first one. So, you know,

Rafi and Papa Jack are asked me, they said, they said, what the hell's going on?

I said, Oh, I'm done. I'm retired.
And he goes, man, he goes he goes, you're hitting 320. Why not? And I said, yeah, but it's a weak-ass 320, and I can't.
I said, it's gotten to the point, Raffi, where when I get on base, I pray someone doesn't hit one in the gap so I have to run because I couldn't hardly run anymore. I couldn't hardly move.
And I said, I can't keep rooting against my teammates. But I said, four or five of them came up with this damn idea to get a hit and walk off.
So Frank now is doing the stutter step because he sees me talking to these guys, and he's taking a step out, taking a step back. I mean, he looked like someone that does that recording of someone taking a step, moving back, taking a step, moving back.
I mean, he looked like a cartoon kind of thing. So I i forget who was sitting after me but they swung at the first pitch and got a base hit the left field oh and so now i'm like crap now i'm on second and i said well you know what what the hell i'll talk to cal you know wishing luck on the streak and all that stuff and you know just pleasure playing against you you know so cow and i are bs and next guy flies out i go run say goodbye to cow i run the third right in the dugout right up in the clubhouse ozzy again is in there waiting for me with a bottle of champagne because ozzy and i came up through the poddy organization i've known ozzy since he was 16 uh i know his whole family.
They call me Uncle Joe. I mean, it's Ozzy and I are so close, it's scary.
And so Ozzy had a bottle of champagne, and I had a note for the media, for Ozzy to give to the media after the game. And so, you know, we toasted.
You know, and everyone says, oh, you knew you needed one hit to hit 300. I was hoping to get that damn hit in Boston and hit 301.
Who gives a crap? What's the difference at that point? If protecting a 300 batting average was my goal, I'd have retired in Boston. Yeah.
Before I went over for whatever up there. Yep.
And so I drove home. I grew up two hours, two and a half hours from Baltimore.
So I drove home. I go to my house.
I turn on TV and I'm watching the rest of the game. And our announcers are like, yeah, we don't know what happened.
We know he was limping, but we haven't got a report yet. But we think it's a hamstring.
No, it's a career. Yeah.
Yeah. I said, no, it was more than a hamstring.
It was an entire body saying, saying screw it i'm done so i get uh about two weeks after all this i get a phone call from my agent and he says hey he goes i was away on vacation he said i've just checked all the box scores he said are you hurt are you on the disabled list at the time it was disabled and i said no why he said well how come you ain't been playing and i said oh crap i forgot to tell you i'm retiring and he goes he goes well isn't that something you should have ran past me i said you weren't going to change my mind yeah that's just the way it was uh but you know my dad was happy because i got to hit my first at bat it was it was like 100 degrees in baltimore And he was so happy. He goes, man, I didn't want to sit there and sweat my ass off.
I need to get the fuck home. Yeah.
I'm like, so did I. Yeah.
What a story. That's incredible.
Yeah. I mean, that's perfect.
Here's the thing I never thought of with all these great plans. No one came up with the thought, how the hell am I going to get all my shit back from Chicago? Yeah, yeah.
So my dad's like, I asked him, I said, I got to go out to Chicago. He said, oh, what the hell, I'll go with you.
So me and him, a couple of my buddies, drove out to Chicago like a couple days later, went to my apartment, a condo I had rented, got all my stuff. Actually, I had a car, my car there too no i i was using ozzy's car ozzy gave me a truck to use purple with pink running light run lights on the running board i'm like this salsa music i didn't know how to turn off the freaking radio oh man i'm driving through chicago and that thing man people probably look at me like, what the hell is wrong with this crazy fuck?

That's incredible. That's fantastic.
It sounds like you knew you wanted to walk away and you picked your time and you went out on your own terms. Did you ever regret? Did you ever later on that season, you wake up one day, knees feeling all right, and you're like, you know, I could still get out there.
No, you know what? I actually, after I got back from Chicago retrieving all my stuff, I went back to Baltimore to get that surgery. And the doctor said, look, here's the thing.
Once I do it, you're done playing. You can't run anymore.
And I said, I couldn't run anyway. What the hell's the difference now? He said, no.
He said, you're done. He said, so you've got to make decisions.
Do you want to get this surgery knowing that your career's over or if you're thinking about coming back i said doc you can do that son of a bitch today yeah because i am done playing and i you know what i the only thing i look back on and regret is i wish i would have taken better care of myself after surgery i wish i had done all the rehab i was supposed to do, but I just wanted to play. Like I had one knee surgery and you know, once I came off the 15 day disabled list, I was in the lineup.
Yeah. Like 10, 10 days, 12 days in, I was in triple a rehab playing on turf.
Dumbest damn thing I've ever done because my knee never got better. It just kept getting worse after but i just wanted to play i didn't want to sit there and have some trainer tell me you know you got to do 15 of these quad strengthening crap and you know i just wanted to go do my normal stupid stretching yeah yeah i love it i love it and i mean that's why i think a lot of fans loved you so much because you seem like the common man out there.

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And now, here's more John Kruk. I had one other question about your career and, um, you know, you had a fantastic career, but you had one year that things didn't go so well.
And I think you have the greatest excuse of all time. Your roommates were bank robbers, correct? Is that how it went? And then you essentially, the FBI approached you and was like, hey, do you know these guys? You're like, yeah, those are my roommates.
And you spent the entire year worrying that your former roommates were going to come find you. Yeah, I was staying in a different hotel every night.
I stayed with Randy Reddy some because Randy and I are know are like brothers so you know he he was the only one on the team that i told now i was really close with tony gwen uh uh but i didn't want to tell tony or anyone else i just kept it to myself but it was it was scary you know you know the fbi of all, these guys in suits come in the locker room. I'm getting ready to go out for batting practice.
And these guys are like, hey, we need to talk to you. I said, yeah, sit down.
I said, I got a couple minutes. I got to go out for batting practice.
He said, no, you don't. I'm like, what the frick is going on? He said, we got to go in this other room.
I'm like, I ain't going to no other room. I said, this is where I talk to everyone.
They said, no, this has nothing to do with baseball. We're going to another room.
Now I'm like, okay, crap. You know, I had a penchant for drinking beer after games.
I wonder if I did anything really stupid. And, you know, once they showed me their badge, I'm like, oh, my God.
And I'm thinking to myself, what the hell did I do? Right. You know, because I've done some stupid things.
I didn't think it was FBI worthy, but, you know, who knows? So, you know, they showed me pictures of one of the guys, you know, surveillance or not, you know, hidden camera bank surveillance pictures, you know. And at first I said, no, I don't know this dude and the guy goes take a look again and I'm like okay these guys are serious man they're not playing they're not they're not taking my game serious and so I looked at the picture and man and I love this guy but he had a hat on it said uh American by, West Virginian by the grace of God.
And he wore it all the time. I'm like, oh, crap.
I'm like, man, I can't even hide this one. So I said, yes, I do know who that is.
He said, well, his girlfriend, his ex-wife, they've all identified it. I'm like, good, so I'm not the one that ratted him out or whatever.
Well, apparently someone told him that I was the one who called the FBI. I was the one who turned him in.
And so the guys from the FBI, they're calling me all the time. Did you see him? Or when you're on the road, call me, call us if you see because you know we have some informants or some people that are telling us that he's looking for you and whatever well apparently apparently they they they caught the one uh roy lee plumber um like a mile from my house in san diego and i was told and i of course of course, I never talked to him about it.
I did talk to him after he was, uh, you know, went to trial, whatever, and was incarcerated. He called me one night or one afternoon and we talked for a long time and it was good to talk to him to get everything cleared up.
But, um, uh, yeah, he, he, he did, uh, you know, I was told that he told someone his girlfriend ex-wife or whatever that after he was told that i was the one who turned him in that he was gonna come out and kill me jeez and so apparently i got a call from the fbi one day and he said hey we got him i said oh said, oh, good. I said, I said, where was he? Because like I'm I'm I'm calling the FBI almost every day having to tell them if I've seen him, if I've heard from him, whatever.
And so I said, where'd you get him? He said a mile from your house. And he had a rifle and a couple of pistols in his car.
And I knew he carried. Damn.
My God, I've known him my whole life. Oh, he's a bank robber too.
So, yeah. Yeah.
Of course he did. Yeah.
But, you know, he was such an upstanding citizen back where we grew up. You know, he's a Sunday school teacher.
He had his own insurance business. You know, he did a bunch of stuff for people.
I mean, he, you know, and that's what drugs do to you, I guess. I mean, he got hooked on drugs and he was going to do anything he can to get drugs, which meant robbing banks.
But, yeah, so the guy said he caught him like a mile from my house. And like I said, after he was incarcerated, I think he was in Kentucky 16 years but then he got

out you know the weird part he got out and my nephew called me lived in Fairmont West Virginia and he said hey because you never can believe who I met at the bank today I said I said no way he said he said i met roy lee Plummer's wife. And I'm like, where did you meet her? He said, she's the bank manager at the bank I bank at here in Fairmont.
Well, apparently he met this woman. He married her.
And, again, he was fine for years. Got off drugs, whatever.
You know, when he was in prison, he got to rehab and whatever. And, you know, he was working on his sister's farm, taking care of his sister's farm for him, for her and her husband.
And, uh, you know, I, I really thought he turned his life around and, uh, then he just, he lost it again. And, uh, I remember I was driving down to fantasy camp.
My mom called me and, uh, and she said, uh, Hey, Roy, Roy Plummer's dead. I said, what do you mean? He's dead.
They said, well, apparently he robbed a bank. Cops chased him.
They, they had him. He was on a train trestle tracks, you know, on a, like a little bridge police on both sides.
He had nowhere to go and he just killed himself. So yeah, you know, it was, I, I, you know, it was sad, but you know, he can't hurt anyone.
Like he apparently threatened to kill his ex-wife and her kids and kidnap them and i mean it was just

he just went off the deep end again with the drugs and everything and that just uh you know i i i i felt for him but then you know deep down you're kind of happy that he can't hurt anyone yeah yeah and you and you had a whole season of living with i mean it's a crazy story it's a crazy crazy story you know you know a a a 2-0-3-1 ground about the second didn't bother me and that's when i knew i was i there was other things on my mind because normally that's a go up in the tunnel uh you know break your helmet break your bat type thing right and then gary and then gary templeton looking at, man, fat boy, why don't you just admit the fact that you can't hit?

Oh, God.

Man, we got to have you in studio at some point or do this in person

because there's a million other things.

Where are you all at?

We're in New York City.

Well, I think I get to travel next year to do games.

Yeah, you got to stop because there's a million other things I want to ask you about. The one last thing I'll ask you about right now, though, is Mitch Williams, wild thing, one of the iconic pitchers of the early 90s, Phillies legend.
He saved your life in a way, didn't he? Yeah, well, he thinks he did. I would have preferred to find out a different way than getting hit in the nuts by 90-something, skipping up the wet grass in Los Angeles.
But I would have preferred he threw a chest-type to me. Yeah.
You know, that would have been better than, you know, trying to block it and taking one off the goobs, man. It broke my cup.
And, you know, it was quite large. My right testicle was really large at the time.
Hurt like hell, too. But I was afraid to go to a doctor because, you know, I didn't know, I didn't want them to tell me something bad so I ignored it I tried to ignore it all winter too now I'm in the winter in West Virginia it's colder than hell and I'm wearing shorts with no underwear I could wear underwear I mean it hurts so damn bad to do anything like to, to, to bend over, to do anything.
It hurt like hell and really got like, like I would throw up at times because it would hurt my stomach so bad. So I go to spring training.
I'm thinking, all right, I'm just going to ignore this pain and fight through it. Well, you know, you're wearing a cup, you're taking grounders every day i mean that it was freaking brutal the pain so finally they said look we're going to send you so i go to a hospital and in clearwater tampa wherever and they did an ultrasound they did something else hematoma just the hematoma where you know nothing you can't do nothing all right whatever so keep taking anti-inflammatories i'm like oh yeah these things help me but so i go back to spring training the next day same thing feeling grounders upset stomach i go in the dugout throw up um and so uh bill giles the owner lee thomas general manager said bill giles was a one he said listen he said we're we're we're gonna fly you up to philly you're gonna go to jefferson hospital and you're gonna go to the best whatever neurologist urologist in the city and we got an appointment and're going to go there and get checked because you can't continue going through like this.
I said, all right. So I fly up to Philly.
I go to this doctor. The doctor ran all these tests again, probably afternoon, early afternoon.
He said, hey, all it is is a hematoma. He said, you have nothing going on.
He said, just keep taking anti-inflammatory. I'm like, man, I think I'm puking because these damn anti-inflammatories have to take, you know, one or two every damn day.
Those things aren't conducive to having a good stomach. So I said, listen, I said, I want you to do the surgery and remove my right testicle.
He said, there ain't no way I'm doing that. And I said, I said, well, I said, listen, I said, we're the defending National League champions.
I said, I said, I need to play. So I need you to take this out because I can't play like this.
And he said, I tell you what, he said, go for lunch or something go for a walk and if you feel this strongly then i'll do it i walked out the hallway walked down the hall you turned back i said doc let's fucking go jesus and uh so i said all right well here's a here's a this is this is when you, you've lived a really screwed up life. So I get the surgery, right? I'm in the hospital next day, you know, next morning.
Well, that night, a young guy came in, a young doctor came in and he said, oh, surgery went well. Everything's fine.
I said, so I'm good. He goes, yeah, he had surgery went good.
Everything's good. All right, good.
I'm thinking, all right, maybe it was just a hematoma thing. And then I said, did they put like a prosthetic in, like a Marvel or something, so my weight distribution's okay? And they said, no, we don't do that.
I'm like, oh, shit. I used to be lopsided for a while.
So I figured this out. So the next morning, the nurse comes in, she starts

to wheel me out of the room. And I'm like, excuse me, where are we going? She said, oh, we got to do a lymph angiogram to see if the cancer spread.
I'm like, what? They say, yeah, we got to see if the cancer spread. I said, now what cancer would that be? They said, well, you have to stick your cancer.
When we

ran a test on your testicle,

you have

cancer. And he was afraid to tell you.
I'm like, what the hell was I going to do? Jump up and punch him? Like, it's your fault that I have cancer? I mean, come on. So anyway, so what they do, they cut the top of your feet.
They pull up a blood vessel. And they shoot dye in the blood vessel.
It goes up through your body to see if the cancer spread. So now both my feet are cut open.
I had a pair of running shoes. I had to cut the tongue out just so I could wear shoes.
Because like the hotel that the Phillies put me up in was only like a couple blocks from the hospital. So I would walk to the hospital, get my treatments five days a week and walk back to the hospital or walk back to the hotel, you know, throw up and all that crap and basically lay down and sleep the rest of the day.
And the first night after I got back to the hotel, after they did this lymphangiogram, they cut both feet. I mean, they cut them open from one side to the other.
So there's, you know, it's probably, well, I'm trying to look at it now. It's probably like a four or five inch scar on my foot.
The first night I'm in the hotel now, Bill Giles, I love Bill Giles. Bill put me up in the suite up in the top floor, beautiful suite.
And, you know, I was there for 30 damn days. That kind of cost him a fortune, but I was very appreciative.
And like I need a suite. All I did was watch TV, lay in the bed and go puke.
So I had everything I needed in a regular room. But the suite, I guess, let's make a little further walk to the bathroom.
But I was appreciative anyway. First damn night, fire, kitchen fire.
I had to walk all the way down those steps after just getting my feet cut open. I looked down at my feet and I told you I cut the tongues out of my shoes.
I didn't have socks on. And I was looking down and both feet are covered in, both shoes are covered in blood, ripped open the stitches, you know, walking down the step.
So I'm like, well, I don't know how long I'm going to be here. But I just I walked back to the hospital, walked in the emergency room.
Luckily, someone recognized me, doctor, nurse, the emergency room. And he said, what's going on? I said, I think I need to get restitched.
And they looked down like, oh, my God. They say, yeah, we got to do it.
So luckily, they restitched them and everything was fine after that but uh yeah it was good it's a bit crazy man i mean i mean you had you had the right yeah well not not yeah you had you had the right thought which was like your body was telling you something's wrong and even though the doctors are saying like hey it looks like it might just be a bruise you were like i i will literally give my right nut to play baseball yeah well yeah i yeah i yeah you know yeah you're trying to like make it sound like maybe not but yes that's what you said you're like where there's defending nl champions yeah yeah yeah i mean there there was no way i could have played that way there's no way and i knew I knew it wasn't going to get better. The problem was is because I waited, because doctors told me it was just a hematoma, and I waited, you know, after they did that lymphangiogram, I did have swelling in my – or spreading, cancer spreading in my stomach.
So I had to do – instead of 20 radiation treatments, I had to do 25. And, you know, so that was because I waited.
But, you know, I missed the first six games because the team was on the road. I had to stay and get treatments.
And, you know, I remember the home opener. We got our National League Championship rings.
And they weren't going to let me play. The game was at like 1, I think, and like at 12, 11, 45, 12 o'clock, they still weren't going to let me play.
So I had my cancer doctor call Jim Fregosi and Lee Thomas in Jim Fregosi's office and say, look, he can't get hurt. If he feels like he can play, he can play.
So they looked at me and they said, what do you think? I said, I already told you, man, I want to play. I said, you know, we didn't have a great road trip.
I had to watch these damn games on TV. I want to play and try to make a difference.
They're like, all right, screw it. You're going to play.
I'm like, oh, probably the dumbest decision I've ever made in my life because I felt after like the first two or three games, I felt like death because I was getting radiation treatments in the morning and going to the ballpark and playing. That's crazy.
It was stupid. Yeah.
You know, people say, what were you thinking? I said, well, I wasn't. You know, it's not a strong suit of mine putting the brain to use.
But it was the dumbest thing I've ever done, trying to play while getting radiation. I should have waited another couple weeks and come back healthier and stronger.
And, you know, probably been a bigger help to the team than playing like the way I was trying to play, feeling like I was feeling. Well, again, that's why you're probably a fan favorite,

because of all these stories and legendary career and look.

And congrats again to your Phillies for being in the World Series.

Everyone check out Krucke.

He's on NBC Sports Philadelphia.

I agree with PFT.

We have to do an extended interview with you in person sometime. We'll have you on.
We can do two hours, three hours. You just telling us stories.
Yeah. I'm in.
Okay. Well, yeah.
Yeah. So next year, I don't even know the schedule of Philly, but they come to New York.
I'll come to New York. Beautiful.
Sounds great. And yeah, we'll do it.
And you just named the day and we'll set you up. Yeah, you could sit on the bench press.
You have to bench for us. No, I can't lift weights.
I used to go do the skeet shooting thing every year with Tim McGraw for the Tug McGraw Foundation. We used to go to Nashville and do a skeet shooting.
I shot the shotgun once. Now, I've had this shoulder reconstructed three damn times.
It's not even my throwing shoulder, but it's from diving on the turf, you know, for ground balls and, you know, fly balls. At the vet, yeah.
It did ruin my shoulder. I tried to shoot.
Oh, my God, the pain. So I said, screw it.
So me and my Nashville me and my, my, my Nashville, well, he lives in New York, but he does security for, for Tim. And so he, he's everyone in the Tug McGraw Foundation now calls him my New York wife.
Cause we just hang out the whole time. We drive around in a golf cart and, and mess with everyone.
Funny story real quick, Joe Montana shoot one year and you know you know joe montana is a perfectionist so when he knew he was going to do that he built a speed shooting thing on his property out in california to practice so he wouldn't embarrass himself so we stopped and watched him shoot you know pull god killed it. Killed it.
Four out of five. The fifth one, he yelled pull.
He had to miss that thing by a damn mile. So after he'd done it, I'm like, damn, Joe, I said, I'm first four.
You were locked in. I said, what happened on the fifth one? He said, John, he said, he goes, I've had so many damn concussions and so much brain trauma.
He said that now I have issues with my eyes. He said, and every once in a while, he said, and so if I'm looking straight to where the skeet is, you know, the clay pigeon, he said, if I'm looking straight at that, he said, sometimes my eyes will just dart to the right.
And he said, that's what happened on that last one. He said, I shot where my eyes were looking.
And I said, man, thank God no one was standing. But he said, every once in a while, because of the nerve damage in his eyes, he said, my eye will just shoot to the right.
And he said, that's what I see. So I'm like, oh, dear God, and you've got a shotgun in your hand.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good point. All right, well, Kroki, thank you so, so much.
We really, really, really appreciate it. We're big fans of yours, and yeah, let's do it in person, and best of luck for the World Series.
I think most of America's rooting for the Phillies, so, you know, have fun with it. As well they should, as well they should.
Yes. All right, well, thanks so much.
All right. Thank you, guys.
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Now here's Jake Arrieta. And now for something completely different.
Okay, we now welcome on our good friend, colleague, former Philly. Well, I just want to say that on your Wikipedia page, your picture is you in a Philly's uniform.
So maybe you are remembered as a Philly. I don't know if somebody, because can't you alter and edit anybody's Wikipedia page? No.
It's like, oh, I thought it was like a free-for-all. Yeah, mine says I'm 5'3 right now.
So, yeah, that's definitely fake news. That's off.
So, it is Jake Arrieta. He's our good friend, colleague.
Like I said, go download Starting 9, our baseball podcast on Barstool Sports. Philly alum, Philly's alum, getting ready for the World Series.
I don't know where we want to start. Actually, you know what? Are you still talking with some of the guys on the team on the phillies team and what is the vibe that you've picked up off of uh what they've been able to accomplish this october man i think it starts with well let go back to like june july you know when when they were struggling their their third place in the NL East,

it looks like, you know, the Mets are going to run away with the division.

Atlanta starts to creep in.

Nobody's even really talking about the Phillies.

Harper breaks his thumb.

He's out for a number of weeks.

And it just kind of seems like they're going to end up finishing third,

not make it in the postseason.

And then the trade deadline, they bring in Brandon Marsh, Noah Sintergaard. And it looks like pieces that aren't very sexy pieces, but it's starting to get the job done.
And they start playing great baseball. And the next thing you know, they find themselves in the wild card spot against the St.
Louis Cardinals. And everybody thought they might go in there and be competitive.
But ultimately, you know, we had Smitty on one of our live streams. And, you know, game one wasn't going very well for him.
Looked like they were probably going to lose that game. But they find a way to battle back with Helsey on the mound.
And they beat them, you know, two games and nothing. And their confidence and the momentum just keeps building and moving forward.
And then they go on to the next series against Atlanta and just play extremely well. And for whatever reason, and there's a number of reasons.
You have Rob Thompson, who took over as a manager. He's now going to be their guy for at least a couple of years, hopefully more.
Everybody's rallied around him. And their star players are performing just

at an extremely high level. And I think that that's what's going to have to continue for them

to have any shot against the Houston Astros because of just how good they are. I mean,

they're unbeaten in the postseason. Yeah, we know how good they are.
So, I mean, it's going to take

Thank you. the Houston Astros because of just how good they are.
I mean, they're unbeaten in the postseason. We know how good they are.
So, I mean, it's going to take the best effort from everybody in that lineup and on the pitching staff and really even to have a chance to beat the Astros. It's crazy you mentioned, by the way.
I like totally because it's, you know, October, there's so many sports on on so everything becomes a blur but yeah without that Cardinals meltdown in that first game like the Phillies could have been out you know what I mean like that game yeah if the Cardinals just don't absolutely piss down their leg and they win that first game we could be talking about a completely different team in the World Series here and that's kind of that's credit to the Phillies for like always hanging in there and always sticking around where they pounce on these opportunities that other teams haven't been able to. You're exactly right.
And I think that's what has kind of propelled them into the position they're in to even have this opportunity. Like you said, they very well could have could have lost that game.
And you kind of expected a team like the Cardinals, at home to kind of shut that shit down and and kind of roll into game two and uh probably finish off the series uh but it didn't go that way and it's just continued to like move in a positive direction and everything uh not that it's luck but it seems like everything um that can go right has gone right for the Phill. And you got to give a lot of credit to them in that Padres series and even the Brave series.
They were they were at a deficit, you know, many times throughout that series. And I think that both of the series appeared to be way more competitive and balanced than they really were.
I mean, they won both both series pretty handily, but that Padres series was back and forth. I mean, lead changes left and right, but they never got down on themselves, and their star players continue to step up.
I mean, Hoskins with home runs, obviously Schwarber. I mean, Harper, the biggest at-bat of his entire career.
I mean, he comes through in a way that, I mean, you can't even script something like that. But you just had a feeling like this guy's going to come through in this moment.
I mean, JT gets the big hit to start off the inning. They don't bring in Josh Hader to face Harper, which I think was a huge mistake uh even though suarez had pitched extremely well it's like you have you have the best left-handed guy ready in the bullpen and he's he's on fire he's pitched extremely well in the postseason and you don't bring him into face harper yeah right fortunate i mean you know fortunately they didn't for for the phillies and it worked out but that at bat if you just go through it um i think there was some things that I mean, you know, fortunately they didn't for the Phillies, and it worked out.
But that at bat, if you just go through it,

I think there was some things that – I mean, it started out pretty well.

You've got a fastball down and away, he swings and misses.

Fastball up and in, a great move there.

Fastball away for a swing.

Fastball up, fouls it off.

Fastball down and away, he fouls it off.

Then they threw one change up that he took extremely well, and then he goes back to the heater. But again, I mean, he could have popped up.
He could have struck out. I just think that San Diego didn't necessarily handle that situation the way they should have.
Yeah, the six-out save is always something that you hear about more often in the playoffs. So from a pitcher's perspective, what's what is the actual tangible difference as you're coming in for, you know, six outs instead of three?

It doesn't seem like that much more, right?

Maybe, you know, maybe like five extra pitches per bat,

maybe 15 to 20 extra pitches that you have to throw.

But from a closer perspective,

like what happens to your stuff at that point? Well, i think in that moment when you're in game five of the nlcs i don't think anything happens to the stuff in that moment and if you look at the way that we used aroldis chadman in 2016 when when we traded for him i mean we we threw him multiple innings yeah many times and because we had to we we needed to. And if there's ever a situation to do it, even though Josh Hader isn't accustomed to getting six outs, I mean, he's pitched one plus before.
So, like I said, you win or you go home. So, if there's ever a situation to do it, I mean, that that's the one you know what i mean what about is it like a starter when it's the all i love when it's all hands on deck when it's like hey every arm um you've been in those situations where they tell you beforehand and do you like how do you change up your entire routine because that's such a foreign thing for started to go to go into a high leverage playoff game.
It is, you know, I threw game six, the World Series and 16. And I don't remember how many pitches I threw, probably around 100.
And I had a conversation with Joe and said, I'll be in the bullpen for game seven. And I actually got warmed up at a point late in the game.
And you just – you kind of know what bullpen guys do, and you have an idea of how to handle it. The most important thing is just not being accustomed to getting your body ready that quickly.
So what do you do? Every couple of innings, you get up, you stretch, you stretch out a little bit, maybe hop on the bike, you toss around a weighted ball, you do some bands do some bands so it's not yeah it might be foreign in a sense because you're not accustomed to doing it um you know on on a daily basis like the bullpen guys are but we we know how to do it yeah you know you have you have an idea of what that routine looks like so you just you just fucking do it because that's that's that's the only option i like that how sore is your arm on zero days rest yeah it depends on the stress how stressful the pitches are like number one you know like if you go out there and you cruise through seven innings you maybe you maybe scatter a couple hits but there's really there's really at no point in the game are there guys multiple guys in scoring position position, the bases are clogged, where you have to really bear down, and the effort level is much higher. Because if you're cruising, man, you could come to the ballpark the next day and feel like you could pitch again, and then on the flip side of that, you can come to the ballpark and feel like you got hit by a truck.
So it's all all different um but at that point in the season at this point in the year everybody's banged up nobody feels great you're kind of running on fumes and adrenaline uh and caffeine so you just and you have to you have to understand yourself and like if if i was in a position where i i didn't feel like i could help the team and and put myself in a position where I wasn't better than the next guy. I would have said, look, Joe, like I'm, I don't, I don't, I'm, I'm probably not a good option for us tonight, but you know, I was able to get myself in a position energy wise and adrenaline where it didn't really matter how I felt like I was going to be capable if I was needed.
What, What about – so let's talk about the Astros. Like you said, they are undefeated in the postseason.
It's crazy how embarrassing – yeah, embarrassing they've made the Yankees, like, feel and look because they've just – every time they match up in the playoffs, the Yankees look like absolute nothing compared to them. Well, they opened the roof.
Yeah, they opened the roof. Put an a about if you're a pitcher how dare them yeah how dare them if you're a pitcher on the Phillies staff and you're going up against this lineup what is what's the reason why the Astros like what part of that lineup or what combo is it that makes it so difficult to pitch around there's really no breaks in the, and this is no disrespect to Maldonado, but he might be the only guy who you can get away with multiple mistakes.
And he was, you know, the reason they drove in the first run in one of those games. You know, Chaz McCormick, you know, got on base, who's another guy who's elevating his game in the postseason and shocker that's just what the astros are notorious for is finding these guys like jeremy pena who's from rhode island a third rounder that nobody even really knew about now he's one of the the superstars of the postseason turning himself into um i don't know if we can technically call him a star yet but but it just looks like it's going in that direction.
If you can perform at this level this consistently when games mean this much, I mean, there's a 99.9% chance this dude is going to be absolutely legit. Yeah, ALCS MVP.
Like, that's all you have to say. I mean, you know, and Cortez was – he strained his groin to a certain extent in that game.
But that three-run homer, that's just an absolute dagger for the Yankees. And to do that on the road as a rookie and time and time again, he hit the solo homer against the Mariners in that 18-inning game, which won him the ballgame.
So, it's not just like a single here and there where he's getting on base for like the boppers, you know, like Tucker or Alvarez or Bregman. Like he's doing damage.
So you combine that, you know, Chaz and you combine Pena with with those huge guys in their order like Bregman and Alvarez. And Altuve, look at look how cold, you speak Altuve's been and to have a guy like that who's you know one of your best players over the last six or seven years I mean it doesn't even matter yeah because they have so many other guys who are producing so the Phillies the pitching depth and experience is the Astros advantage in this series but it almost evens itself out with you know the Phillies being in a position where they have nothing to lose they've gotten this far and they've continued to produce and I mean I can't imagine how electric that clubhouse is and just like the vibes amongst the dudes with what they've been able to accomplish so I mean you can't you can't count them out.
I mean, they're 9-2 in the postseason, which is extremely impressive. They're hitting a ton of home runs.
You know, Schwarber and Harper, I believe, were hitting 400 in that series. You know, Hoskins had multiple home runs.
JT's on base. You know, a lot.
Segura is having incredible at-bats. Alec Boehm is swinging the bat very well.
I mean, just up and down the lineup. Bryson Stott.
So the supporting cast, you know, on both sides is a big reason why these teams are both in the position they're in. Yeah, the Phillies, you can look at them and be like, this is a scrappy team.
I like watching them play for each other. But they also have stars.
Like, they're made up of, really good brand name, household name baseball players. But they seem to be – I don't know if I just haven't watched as much of the Astros as I have watching the Phillies this postseason, but the Phillies, they seem to have a little bit of shit to them.
They're playing as a team, and I was talking to Max before we started recording this. But with baseball, it's inherently an individual sport.
Most of the things that you do at any given time, with the exception of defense occasionally, and, you know, some hit and run stuff. But most of it is just one guy versus one guy.
But with the Phillies, it seems like there might be some team cohesion that's kind of making the sum of their parts greater than the individuals what does that look like when a team it has like has gelled and they're close on the field they're close off the field and what actual differences can you see and how they play during an actual game if they're close-knit yeah it's a good question man and I think that this is um this is something Thompson has alluded to the players have alluded to um, throughout the course of the postseason, their ability to bounce back and be resilient. That's a term that they've all been using, and that's very true.
You have to be resilient in these types of games because you're not always going to – you're not going to always score first and maintain the lead throughout the entire game. There's going to be a lot of lead changes, but I think, and you can't, there's no stat for this.
It's, it's hard to quantify, but the relationships that are developed amongst the players on a personal level, getting to know, and it sounds cliche, but getting to know your teammates away from the field, their families, their kids, you pull for each other much harder when you care about each other in that kind of way. And I know these guys are extremely close, and I think that's just what it is.
If a guy punches out with two outs to the guy in scoring position, that next guy so desperately wants to drive that run in, or he wants to put together a great at bat, or if the starter doesn't you know necessarily have the outing he wanted to have you know a guy comes out of the pen and gives the team three or four innings to bridge the gap keep the team in the game and hand the ball to somebody at the back end of the bullpen um and i i think that's what we're seeing here man i really do i was a part of that um on multiple teams with the cubs and this team looks no different yeah so um one thing we always talk about with uh like in football guys get to the super bowl super bowl is faster than any game that's what everyone says you know that first you know whatever first quarter and then the halftime everything's off is there a difference between the ds cs and then getting to the world series is there a vibe change in the clubhouse like what does that step up look like and what maybe from experience like or a story about how how it felt walking into that game one of the world series well i don't necessarily think the pace of this game uh is gonna be sped up for these guys on either side, especially the Astros. Yeah, they've been there.
Six division titles in a row, six ALCS appearances in a row, four World Series or two World Series in the last four years. Like, it doesn't even really make sense that they've been able to do what they've been able to do.
But I think for the Phillies, playing postseason games in Citizens Bank Park for the first time since, you know, 2011, maybe 2012, like that crowd has already been as electric probably as they can possibly be. So they know what that sensation's like.
They know what it feels like. And I don't, you know, Minute Maid isn't going to be any louder than Philly.
So they've, they've already experienced what that noise level is, is going to look like. So I think they're in, in, in a very good position to be able to handle that, but there is a slight, slight shift in what the game feels like from, you know, wildcard DSCS World Series and I think that

you know they just

they feels like from you know wild card dscs world series um and i think that you know they just they need to respond and strike for if they can strike first like they were able to do the first game in philly against uh against the padres you know schwarber let off the game with the home run like not saying that that has to happen but if you can strike first against a team like the astros that's just like dude that like that's something that just gives you like that added energy like you know we we can beat these guys we can beat these guys but if you're playing from behind early and often against a team like the astros um i mean it doesn't take a genius to figure that out but i think that that's where the ast Astros really kind of put a clamp on this series and gain control. If they get dominant starting pitching and they score first, I mean, it's going to be a really difficult series for the Phillies.
But if you can get – I think Aaron Knoll is probably going to start game one. He'd be on eight days rest, and you probably don't want him to go much further than eight days.
I mean, he's been probably throwing a sim game here and there in bullpens, but I like Aaron Nola game one, Wheeler two, Ranger Suarez three, and if those guys give you depth and you don't have to get to guys like Connor Brogdon or Bilotti or Falter in the middle innings, then the Phillies really have a shot. But they're going to have to get length from their starters.
What about from a pitcher's perspective, if you're in the middle of a game, and especially during a World Series game, a real, like, you know, this is the kind of stuff that you dream of playing in when you're a kid. And you can tell, like, OK, I don't have necessarily my best stuff right now.
The manager comes out to talk to you. And you know in the back of your head, like, I can try to gut this through, but I'm not at 100%.
How do you wage that like internal battle? Because I feel like every pitcher just wants to tell the manager, leave me in. I got this.
Let me get out of this jam. I got myself.
So how do you balance being honest while also being competitive?

Well, it depends on why you're saying you don't have like your best stuff. And remember, like at this point, you're you shouldn't expect to get out of bed and get to the field and warm up and feel feel perfect.
I think guys are used to that and accustomed to that at this point in the season.

If your command is off, I mean, it's probably evident by... and feel perfect.
I think guys are used to that and accustomed to that at this point in the season.

If your command is off, I mean, it's probably evident

by the at-bats that you've kind of, as a starter,

if you're always behind on the counter,

you're not able to spin your breaking ball for a strike.

And I don't envision that happening with either one

of the top three guys for Philly.

And Wheeler's already shown it. Nola's shown it.
He had a tough one his last go around against San Diego. Ranger came in to close the last game against the Padres.
Thompson has continued to talk about their heart rate and how nothing really phases those three guys, and I've been around them a lot. I mean, you barely even know they're there.
They're going about their business they're quiet but they're amazing teammates and when they get in between the lines it's like those guys are ready to fucking go so I think the only reason you may see something like that is maybe it's a mental thing like if a guy is just not able to handle the moment it's not necessarily about the stuff or how he he feels. Maybe the moment could be getting to him, but, and I don't, I don't envision that happening from anybody on either side, but you know, to answer your question, I think that's, that's what it would be.
Like if you are telling somebody on the staff that, you know, I just don't have my best stuff, that's, that's in your head. Yeah.
So what about Dusty Baker? So manager of the Astros, from your experience one-on-one with Dusty, how is he getting his guys ready for a series like this? I don't think he has to do much. I really don't.
I think that this is just kind of another day at the office for these guys, and it's so wild to say that. You know, there's many players never get an opportunity to play in October that play for, you know, five, six, seven-plus years.
And these guys – and it's not by accident. It's not by chance.
It's not by luck. It's by – and you've got to give the organization a shit ton of credit for being able to put this type of group of guys together, having some nice free agents, but being able to develop this many guys at the same time.
So I think Dusty's job is really easy. And, you know, you hear Bregman, you know, talk after, you know, they beat the Yankees in the CS and just everybody has such high praise, you know, for Dusty and they want to win this for him.
I think he's the most winning manager to not have a World Series appearance or World Series win. So, I mean, they're doing this obviously for them and their teammates, but for Dusty.
And when you have a guy that's your leader, your manager, that you want to win and that you would run through a wall for, I mean, that just speaks volumes volumes for the type of guy that dusty is and not to mention i mean these gloves i can't get over the gloves i don't know i mean he looks like he's about to cook some ribs that's like the whenever you see like a video yeah yeah or he's marinating like a pork shoulder to put in like the crock pot i i've done you know, I, you know, I got a box of gloves in the, uh,

in the kitchen for moments like that.

But,

uh,

yeah,

he's just,

he's the man.

I mean,

and they,

they want to win this for dusty.

So,

um,

it's almost not fair because America wants to root against the Astros,

but then they did a very smart thing by hiring dusty Baker and having COVID

and COVID.

Yeah.

And also going to Wuhan, infecting a bat and then flying back back overseas and spreading it. Yeah, it's all fucked, man.
Well, don't you think that this will finally, if they win the World Series, this finally puts to bed the cheating scandal in 17? I actually, I'll go one further. I think it already is put to bed with the fact that they've been to the World Series.
The run of success, the sustained run of success that they've had if it had been just a one year and they never went back to like deep in the playoffs or anything like that yeah we would have stuck with it forever and it's still fucked up i'm not excusing them but it's clear that they're a really goddamn good baseball team and organization um outside of the cheating skin so i have one last question it's a Throwback question. Promo 20 off your first purchase uh qzips hoodies polos promo code take rowback rhoback.com also the new joggers so give us your pick because i'm i'm i'm i think most of america is kind of in a similar spot where we're rooting for the phillies but if i had to go with like your life is on the line, the Astros are an absolute machine.
Yeah. I mean, there's, there's, it's very hard to go against the Astros.
And the reason I'm going to do so is because I have ultimate faith in Wheeler, Nola, Ranger Suarez, the back end of their bullpen and the best player on the planet right now. And Bryce Harper, guys like Schwarber, Hoskins, Romulo, Stott.
I think that this is just the team that really has the ability to get the job done against this Astros team. I don't think anybody else would have.
I think that what they've gone through, how they rallied towards the end of the season, just the momentum, It's just, it's like a snowball rolling downhill and this shit doesn't seem to be stopping yet. So I, I think this game, I think this series goes seven games.
I'm going to pick the Phillies to win it in seven on the road in Houston. Astros are, I mean, they're not going to roll over.
Obviously it's going to be extremely difficult. I think, you know, they're, they're going to lose a couple of tough games in the series.
It's going

to go back and forth. Uh, but as hot as they are now and what happened against the, against the

Braves and how they handled, you know, San Diego, the way they did and watching San Diego go through

the Dodgers, uh, Phillies believe they can beat anybody. Um, in this series, man, it's, it's the

perfect fit.

I don't think the teams have met in the postseason since 1980.

It's a good story for baseball.

It's probably the best team in baseball playing against the hottest team

in baseball.

Also, I think 10 different World Series champions in 10 years, I think,

at the Phillies win, right?

Yeah, yeah.

And this is Harper's first appearance in the World Series series yeah he's the best best player on the planet um i see you know him just continuing to stack up you know moment after moment uh and and padding his resume um it wouldn't surprise me if the astros won but i'm going phillies in seven okay well jake thank you very much we appreciate it i'm just gonna i'm gonna say phillies in seven as well because that's what my heart wants um and if they astros sweep them i wouldn't be shot like that's you know that good whatever that's fine let's just yeah we'll stay the course of phillies in seven thank you uh as always man we appreciate you coming on and uh enjoy the world series could be awesome yeah man i'll be there for game one in houston i'll be there game three in philly love it uh it's gonna be badass i appreciate you having me on guys jake arietta is brought to you by morgan and morgan here's a question for you guys when was the last time you were in a fight billy don't answer that let's be honest most of us can't fight for shit. But now we don't have to.

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Okay, time for one question with the quarterback, and we have the starting quarterback of the Washington Commanders, Taylor Heineke, on for one question with the quarterback. Taylor, my one question is, how awesome was it to beat Aaron Rodgers? Because I don't really know that feeling very well.
So you tell me, how sweet was that? Yeah, I know you're a Bears fan, so it's been a long ride for you. But I grew up a Packer fan.
And so growing up watching Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers, it was cool to be on the same on the same field as him. So getting to beat the guy that you grew up watching and idolizing was, was super cool.
So yeah, that's definitely a top list, top, top of the kind of top of the trophy room right there. Nice.
That does sound cool is all I took away from that. That does sound really super cool.
Super, super cool. Yeah.
Taylor, first of all, thank you for delivering that win. It's fun watching you play.
I love it. My question is that I heard that you get a pair of throwback Jordans in the color of every single team that you beat in the NFL.
Is that true? And, yeah, well, I guess that's my question. Is that true? Is that true? Would you mind talking about that and furthering the discussion? Yeah, so that started last year.
I really started getting the sneaker game last year, and we started winning games. I'm a small guy.
I get beat up throughout the game, so I'm in the training room for a long time. While I was in the training room, I was like, you know what? start this little tradition where every team we beat i'm gonna buy some jordans in their colorway so um yeah i started last year and then so yesterday i was in the training room and found me some pretty sweet uh green green yellow fives that i bought so um you know once they come in i'll definitely post them but uh yeah it's a cool tradition i got i like that h, do you have a question for Taylor? Is it the Oregon Fives? Yeah, the Oregon Fives.
Good question. Okay, good follow-up question.
Billy, do you have a question? Hi. Oh.
Quick question. Are Zintins the most signed memorabilia that you get asked to sign? Yeah, probably.
Good question. I'm actually looking at a can right now, so if I put one in, head home.
Yeah, probably sixes. That's not a question.
I'm just saying probably sixes. Probably two sixes.
Probably two sixes. No, not two sixes.
Two sixes get me spinning. Yeah.
I'm a man. I'm two sixes.
Jake, yeah. Yeah.
Hi, Taylor. Jake March, part of my Take podcast.
Over the last three years, you've been a battle hawk, a football team, and a commander. How does it feel to have probably the most unique list of team names under your belt in football history? Yeah, it's different, man.
The battle hawks was a weird one, but I will say their helmets were pretty sweet. But, again, I feel like the coolest name was the football team.
I mean, I thought that was – I liked that one the best. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, Commanders was cool, you know.
Hopefully we can keep this thing rolling. Let's hand up.
Yeah. I do like – wait, I think Max has a question.
Oh, Max, you have a question. Yes, I do have a question.
Have you thought about how happy you made PFT after you won this game this past week? And me. And Big Ten.
Yeah. I saw some videos of PFT out there.
Some people were sending them to me. So it's always cool to have some guys rooting for you.
But, yeah, PFT, hopefully we keep this thing rolling, man. We've got a big one in Indy this week.
Huge one. coming and then taylor do you have a question for us because we do allow one question from you if you'd like to ask one let's see what's one guy that you've always wanted on the show that you can't get on dan snyder yeah that's easy i would i would love to talk to dan is he there no he's not open yourself up yourself up to that one I would love to just have a word to Dan Snyder Just him and me We don't even need to record it In fact I would prefer that you just lock me in a room with Dan Snyder And then just let whatever happens Happens Yeah I'll walk right into that one That's alright Okay well Taylor Thank, well, Taylor, thank you so much.
We appreciate it. Keep it rolling, man.
We're rooting for you. And, yeah, best of luck the rest of the season.
And thank you for joining One Question with a Quarterback. I appreciate you guys for having me.
Thanks, Taylor. Thanks to Taylor Heineke.
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Jimbo's.

Jimbo's back.

So for everyone who remembers, Jimbo's.

People fucking up, telling us how they fucked up. Now I got to do everything in this Pizza Hut.
Where should I start? Sup, twats. Oh, okay, aggressive.
Now I remember why we stopped doing Jimbo's. Was a groomsman in my buddy's wedding.
Yeah, except for when it's not coming from girls. Was a groomsman in my buddy's wedding.
After the rehearsal dinner dinner we were shooting the shit and you're bonking yourself after the rehearsal dinner we were shooting you just said that you liked hearing girls say the word twat no I said it's different when it's not coming from girls which is again you hearing so you prefer coming from girls no I just think girls are a little nicer and don't say sub twats. Like we don't say that.
We don't get those with guys on chicks. Yes, true.
That's my point. All right.
Keep reading. Thank you.
If you can. We were shooting the shit in church, waiting for people to gather their things.
Another groomsman who's also isn't religious splashes me with holy water and I yell, ah, it burns. I turn around,

and the pastor is glaring at me

a few feet away.

It's a fun joke.

That's a great joke.

Honestly, if you're a pastor,

it's like your World Series

if anybody calls you to do an exorcism, right?

Yeah.

If you think that there's even

like a half percent chance

that somebody is possessed by a demon,

you're like,

this is why I've been training my entire life.

Yeah, this is why I lift all these weights.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hey, guys. I was at my university cafeteria for breakfast and had a waffle maker incident.
I went to press down the lever to get the waffle batter out, but as I did, the lever fell off. All the batter in the machine started oozing out at a rapid pace.
I looked for help and frantically started to explain what had happened to the workers, but they didn't speak any English.

I mean, I'm sure they could tell what was going on. After that didn't work, I grabbed a bunch of napkins and covered the entire waffle maker table with them as the batter was starting to get on the floor.
This is, I love this visual. I calmly walked out of the cafe and have not returned since.
It's been five days and I can't keep living off of Pop-Tarts and Chick--a is it safe to return i think um there are there are certain things that happen um where you just have to walk away and i know that sounds like a terrible thing but there's like you know for the most part you should try to help a mess that's made but like that one seemed like it was out of control and you you're probably gonna make it worse yeah i don't know like that's you could probably go back yeah and like a fucked up waffle maker you don't you don't know how to repair that yeah you probably would have just made it worse i think that's what the situation like if you are if you find yourself in a situation of your own creating yeah that's gotten out of hand if there's any possible way that you can help rectify that situation you should try but there a lot of times when it's like, oh, this toilet's overflowing. Well, I don't have a plunger.
I'm just going to make it worse if I try to do something. Right.
Or like if you drop a bottle in a grocery store, your job is you have to alert someone. You have to be very remorseful.
But for the most part, they're not going to be like, hey, can you help me clean this up? Because then you get hurt or something like that get hurt or something like so there's those situations you just gotta you gotta show the correct amount of remorse alert the authorities and kind of get out of the way also it's not your fault that the handle broke yeah that's true those waffle makers they should be sturdy enough that you should be able to close it maybe you were maybe you're getting reckless how much waffle batter was in there like yeah it sounds like was making a giant waffle. It was like a soft serve machine.
No, he was going to take it out. Right.
But it sounded like it just kept on coming out, which is a very funny thing to think about. Well, it was enough waffle batter for a university.
Yeah, that's true. Oh, so, yeah.
Okay, now I get it. It wasn't the actual waffle maker handle that broke it.
No, it's like a water tower. It was just spewing waffle batter.
Yeah it was like the draft of beer I would have just laid down underneath it

and just had it all go into my mouth

and just ate waffle batter all day

fucking love waffles

the best

I had some tension building with this girl

I matched with a different girl

who was well out of my league on Bumble

but I decided to delete my account

however

I made sure to follow her Insta so I could still

slide on her DMs

Thank you. who was well out of my league on Bumble, but I decided to delete my account.
However, I made sure to follow her Insta

so I could still slide on her DMs.

Turns out she's friends with the girl I had tension with,

so I ghosted her with hopes I could save what I already had.

Then started a new job and walked in

and who was working the front desk, but the Bumble girl.

We haven't addressed it, but we both know what happened.

What do I do?

This guy's being a pussy. Yeah is way just say it just fuck her you guys should just fuck just say you should just fuck everybody yeah in the office don't do that i uh i saw a great tweet the other day um it was like instead of uh like high school or college reunions there should just be reunions for like all the co-workers you liked at your shitty jobs how great would that be like cause that's those are people you just never see again it's like those are actually people you like you care about them yeah alright a couple more this one's a lot to dissect I'm finally watching Game of Thrones for the first time.
I know I'm way behind. After watching the first couple of seasons, I was hooked and naturally decided to go on the Hub and see what was on there for GOT.
Which I don't think I've ever had that one plus one equals two. Wait, you went on Pornhub to look for Game of Thrones? Yes.
That's where he goes. Wait, is he talking about actual scenes from Game of Thrones? No.
Or are you talking about like actors and actresses playing? Yeah. After watching the first couple of seasons I was hooked and naturally decided to go on the hub and see what was on there about GOT.
No. That's not that.
Ah. Okay.
Is that where it finishes? Well, remember Nail and Palin with Lisa Ann?

That was pretty good.

That was before my time.

That got everyone into politics.

What about...

Of course, it's a natural inclination.

You watch Game of Thrones,

you're like,

I'm going to see if they have

any brand-related content

on Pornhub.

And it's like,

Game of Thrones is pretty fucking...

Yeah.

You can get your bonks off

just watching the show.

Yeah.

The first result was two main characters, and denaris getting together and this part doesn't make sense either ever since then it has ruined every near-death experience in final stories plot i'll never do it again because he's just like don't kill them i want to jerk off to you again or maybe he feels like he's become too close to them no i think i think like that them getting together ruined that they get together later in the season and probably a spoiler in the porn yes that's fucked up that's what the the title of the jimbo is game of thrones spoiled yeah they yeah okay so they need to do spoiler free porn hub adaptations that's so funny not natural but whatever teach their own all good. Jimbo's.
Wait, there's one more. This is a good one.
Whoa. It's something.
I drowned my cat on accident by putting the cover of my pool while my cat was swimming. Oh, my God.
Yeah, that's Jimbo. That's so fucked.
That's fucked up. How do you do that? Cats don't swim.
Cats don't don't swim yeah but they could maybe be on the steps this guy killed his fucking cat he's trying to get us to be like don't feel so bad bro no feel bad who killed your fucking cat speaking of former co-workers that you would want to have a reunion with you sick fuck you killed your cat you sick fuck I got killed your cat, you sick fuck. Ha ha ha ha.
I got herpes.

Allegedly.

I had one that was sent to me.

Let me get that.

Okay.

APMT gang plus Billy.

My fuck up this past week was betting one of my friends $100 that Hank would get the number. Thought he was due.
I was wrong. Guy is hopeless when it comes to skill games like the bingo ball.
That is a big Jimbo. It's tough.
It's a big Jimbo. Hank? Hank, what if you just got it right now? If he gets it, he gets a PS5.
Yeah. And I'm collecting it.
I know. I know you are.
Wait. So, Billy, are you ready? Wait.
If Hank gets this, he gets a PS5 and he gets $5,000.

And I'll break the other one.

No, you don't get both.

One programming note from the lottery machine.

We did an extra one yesterday.

I got a few tweets from this.

It was 26, which had never happened before.

Whoa, doesn't count.

Doesn't count.

Doesn't count.

Because I had people saying they've been picking 26 since they wanted.

No, doesn't count.

They were so pissed.

Doesn't count.

Yeah, that does suck for them.

Yeah.

No, that does.

Yeah. This has been the best return on investment.
Like, fuck it, I'm paying a few grand. I'll take 17.
I'll do 17. You can't do that.
No, you can't do that. Why not? I already did it.
I pre-picked it. Oh, you did? He did.
When I tweeted out the PS5 thing, he replied 17. Oh, I thought that we didn't deal with Twitter.
I thought that what happens in this room is real. I mean, if you want...

No, it's fine.

No, Hank can have his little 17.

It's not going to hit.

No, take it.

If you want to be a scumbag, take it.

Okay, I'll take it.

17.

All right, so you don't get a PS5 that 17 hits?

No.

What's your number?

40.

Okay.

Did you tweet that at me?

No, you did 17 last time.

I'll Twitter right now.

Okay.

But that's two.

He said only one submission each. Fuck you, Billy! I was trying to fucking get him in entrapment.
Damn it. I mean, what do you want me to do? PFT is being an absolute fucking sore sport pussy boy.
You just told me I could have it. If you're a scumbag.
I said, if you're a scumbag. And you said, okay, I'll take it.
Fine. Hank can have his little 17.
All right, thank you. You have your little 17, Hank.
18.

PFT, there's a lot of pressure, because if you get the right number, that would be so great.

I'm going to go with 40.

All right.

I'll go with 57.

20.

Bill, are you ready to find someone?

Yeah.

You're going to find two people.

Yep.

You just search my handle and then the number, and you just pick two randoms.

Yep.

What did I say?

57?

Yeah.

75.

75.

Search.

What if nobody picked it?

75.

At least. Here we go.
Latest, yeah. Pick two random people, Billy.
This is on Billy. Yes.
Okay, so lots of 75s. We're going to go.
You pick one. I'll pick one because I got it as well.
Okay, I'm going to go westbrook okay andrew westbrook west br double zero k 13 okay great and i'm gonna go with kane mathis kane mathis so those two people have won i will dm them and let them know and uh i'll never give away a ps5 again until i do again because we did gain like 5 000 subscribers on part of my take youtube so that might be a life hack we need to start doing uh okay see everyone friday jewels love you guys yeah billy oh uh cats on swim it's the bailey's happy song it gonna be a happy song i said it's the bailey's Zappy song. It's the Bailey Zappy song.
I said what? Bailey Zappy, he be drivin'. Made me happy.
He be drivin'. He be drivin'.
Kendrick Bourne, he be iron'. Take the snap, drive back.
First time, almost had a heart attack, but I know it's Bailey Zappi, make me happy, Bailey Zappi, make me happy, I still love me some Mac, can't wait till he gets back, still love me some Mac, can't wait till he gets back, till then Mr. Bailey Zappi's song Mr.
Bailey Zappi's song

I said what?

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