Richard Jefferson, Meatball Molly + Celtics Win Game 1 With An Insane 4th Quarter

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On today's Pardon My Take, Game 1 of the NBA Finals, what a fourth quarter by the Celtics. We're going to recap that.
It is old school, me, PFT, Hank, and Bubba, just the four of us in the room. The other guys are up doing the PLL stuff in Albany.
We have Richard Jefferson on the show. We have Meatball Molly, which Molly the Meatball, which was an awesome interview.
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And holy fuck, the Boston Celtics just laid a whoop-ass on the Warriors in that fourth quarter. Hank, go ahead.
You're the star of the show. You were dead.
You were dead. Then PFT brought you back to life with washed Oreos.
How are you feeling? I'm absolutely elated. I'm floating on cloud nine.
I really don't even believe what happened. I was so down.
I was starting to not even watch the game. Covering my ears with my hands because I just couldn't watch anymore.
Then PFT, my savior, my guardian angel came over and he said, Here, have an Oreo. He handed it out to me and they said, wait, took out his water.
He said, let me, you know, moisten it up for you. Wash it for you.
He washed it, handed it to me, and it just hit the spot. And then the Celtics flipped the switch and just dominated.
I put some stank on that Oreo for you too. Extra water.
No, Hank was dead. You chained it? Hank was, he was passed out on the couch.
He looked like he was getting the spins. He looked like he was bringing back planking.
And I came back, and I thought, our dear boy, what has happened? What have they done to my boy? And it was good to see a rest from the dead. I actually looked up the score.
Since the washed Oreo, the Celtics went on a 54-28 run. Yeah, it was nuts.
40-16 in the fourth quarter. It was – I mean, the Warriors, after like a crazy third quarter where the Warriors were like 39 to 14 yeah the Warriors felt like they had everything going Steph Curry was incredible first quarter hit six threes which is I think it tied a record um for a quarter and it looked like it was going to be the Warriors night and then the Celtics came out in the fourth, could not miss.
They started seven for seven from three. Al Horford, Derek White, who else? I mean, Peyton Pritchard.
They were just hitting everything, and their defense was incredible. They completely locked down the Warriors.
The Warriors couldn't do anything. I have a little question for you, Hank, a little subtle thing that Ime Udoka did going into the fourth quarter.
Did you realize that Marcus Smart didn't check back into the fourth quarter until there was 3.47 left? He basically was like, we're going to come back, but we have to do it as a team, not with one guy. And it worked.
They played team ball. And also, I don't understand what the Warriors were doing, where Peyton Pritchard was on Steph Curry because Marcus Smart was on the bench, and they didn't attack Peyton Pritchard the entire fourth quarter.
It was crazy. They just didn't.
I don't know why they didn't attack him, but he basically let them have Marcus Smart on the bench because he's obviously the best perimeter defender. Yeah.
I mean, Marcus Smart on the bench just chomping at the bit. I feel like that's not a bad coaching strategy for a guy like marcus smart like have him on on leash and you're like hey all right sick him and then let him loose like a dog and let him out there and let him go out there and fuck shit up and that probably wasn't like the play he probably wasn't like oh we got to keep marcus smart on the bench he probably was saying we started the fourth quarter look how good we're playing let's not mess this up it's nobody moves yeah right whatever's going on right now we're gonna keep this as is but it works but it's also it's cool to see markets when he jumps off the bench because he does provide that spark and when you leave him in too long i feel like it becomes too much marcus yeah it was a crazy game i i'm like i'm equally as stunned because and jason tanem played horribly yeah he did he did and and i know that like and steph curry I know that will be the storyline.
Now, obviously, the Celtics head. We're going to talk to Richard Jefferson.
He's going to explain. He actually kind of predicted this, which is a great interview, that you need those guys like Derek White and Al Horford to step up, and they did, and it was crazy.
He also predicted. We'll save it for later.
It's a great interview. Richard Jefferson, the record will show he was correct when we interviewed him earlier today hank you got to be feeling good billy so we were saying earlier that billy is probably feeling pretty good because jason jason tatum didn't play that well tonight i actually think it's bad for billy because they won this game and that's just game one if they do end up winning they're probably going to win some of those games because jason tatum plays well and they're going to give the MVP to Jason Tatum if that happens Hank it was a game of quarters as it always is for these Celtics yes odd quarters yeah it was two two two going in the second quarter's bad even quarters good okay yeah I love it but like you got to be feeling that's the old that's last series we moved on from the the quarter.
You got to feel confident, though.

This was a game that if you won this one.

Some were saying it was a must win for the Warriors.

I actually believe that.

I said that when the Celtics were down like 15 and you were buried in the couch,

had given up.

I didn't have given up.

I just was like, you can't watch.

Sometimes you can't watch.

You were neck deep in that couch.

You were watching someone die.

You don't want to watch that.

But you know, the NBA is like, it's all swing.

I think... You were neck deep in that couch.
You were watching someone die.

You don't want to watch that.

But you know, the NBA is like, it's all swings.

I know, once they swung, I swung back up. I did think that this was a must win for the Warriors.

I really did, because the rest, you know.

So now they're done.

Yeah, they might be done.

Yeah, no, if you said it was a must win and they didn't win.

No, no, they're done.

I think they might be done.

Next game is a can't lose.

I really do think that the way they lost this, and the fact that the Celtics – They had so much rest. The way the Celtics – I know that their shot-making, that's the thing.
You can play the game. Jason Tatum had a bad game.
I don't think the Celtics will also go seven for seven to start the fourth quarter from three every game. But what the Celtics can rely on and what they do better than anyone else is they lock down on defense, and that was like, you know, it's like complementary football.
Like when they start locking down on defense, then they start getting easier shots on offense, and it just avalanched on the Warriors. And I could be wrong, but I do feel like they've been playing up the narrative the Warriors have so much experience and the Celtics have none.
That kind of goes out the door after the first game. If the Celtics had pregame jitters and it's their first finals and they're nervous, I don't think that carries over after the first game.
All those feelings are probably out, and they realize now, it's like, all right, it's a regular series. Next game's a regular game.
You guys agree? No, I think Jason Tatum, I think he was nervous going to this game. No, he wasn't this game.
You can tell from his first shot. Yeah, oh, they're totally out because he doesn't have to do it all himself.
Yeah, he was super uncomfortable in the first quarter. And Steph Curry, you saw he was obviously experienced.
I think every time Steph Curry breaks a record now, he's breaking an old Steph Curry record. That's like the level that he's achieved as a shooter right now.
He broke his own record for most threes made in a quarter of an NBA Finals game in the first quarter. And then didn't score in the second.
Ryan Rusillo had the under. Yeah.
And didn't score in the second. Then he got tired.
Maybe that's the playbook. Let Steph go off in the first quarter.
Let him tire his shooting arm out. And then at the end of the quarter, I think he threw up that like 70-footer.
Yeah. Second quarter, he was fatigued, and the scoring goes downhill.
I also think there's a chance E-May's greatest coaching move was having them not play defense on Steph Curry in the first quarter. Yeah, they didn't.
So that way, once he was taking shots that were contested, it was rattling him. Give him a different look.
Yeah, that's smart. That's actually genius because there were a few moments where it was like, oh, you should guard Steph Curry.
And no one was there. That's what Brad Stevens had cooked up today.
He was like, we're going to throw a real wrinkle at him. We're going to rope-a-dope him.
You've got to be feeling sky high, though. I can't believe it.
So the way it all flipped, the way it went, because it wasn't even a gradual flip. It was dead domination in a five-minute basically period.
The Warriors looked dejected. Because the Celtics have had those quarters throughout the entire playoffs where it's like they just fucking dropped the ball 39-14, lose all the momentum, lose the game, and it's like they played well the other three quarters, but they had that one letdown quarter, and then boom, they actually just out-quartered the Warriors.
Yeah, fourth quarter. Yeah, they out-quartered them.
They drawn and quartered them. He thought 39-14 was good.
I thought it was 39-14. Also, credit to Big Al, Al Horford.
What a game. He has the most playoff games ever played without playing in an NBA Finals until this year.
And this was... 38-24.
This was Big Al's moment. You could tell, like, he's been...
Al Horford had been preparing for this moment his entire life. And he went out there and he delivered.
And it's also fun to see him occasionally get the ball in the open court because sometimes he forgets that he's that he's not a point guard anymore but there were like three or four like fast breaks where he tried to run the point and it's very funny it's like watching a deer trying to ice skate yeah he finished uh six for eight from three and uh with 26 points nine for 12 from the field that's the thing is like i don't know what the i don't know what the Warriors' fix is on defense. You just hope that the Celtics shot 51% from three.
It was insane. Has there been a solid offensive player that has gone downhill as much as Draymond Green? No.
We were talking about it. In 2015-16, he shot 39% from three.
And he was taking three a game. So it wasn't like he was just taking one a game.
And I don't know. I think he had a couple injuries, a shoulder injury, but it's just nothing.
His offensive game, he's a non-factor offensively. I can't wait to hear his podcast.
I want to hear what he says about this because he had a couple shots that were just like it didn't look like he knew how to shoot a three, and you right like back in 2015 2016 he was a good third option yeah for the wars he's he's actually what made those early warriors teams so great because you could have like steph curry have an off night clay thompson would step up for him and then draymond would be there to hit like three or four threes a game and it was you there was no way to defend that because if you have two great players occasionally you'll run into them when they're playing against other good teams that know how to defend you'll run into games where they both are kind of either average or one has a really bad game but having him as the third option was such a luxury for him and now it just looks like he's allergic to the ball yeah hold on I'm looking it up because I just I remember in game seven which we're going to talk to Richard Jefferson about another plug. Yeah, he was in game seven

against the Cavs

in 2016 when the Cavs won.

He scored 32 points

and was six for eight from three.

He was a legitimate option. I like we're changing

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All right, so Hank,

I actually do think the Warriors,

like, they can't lose game two.

No, they definitely can't.

If they lose game two,

it is,

now we're talking

four or five game series.

So I think right now

it's too early to do the thing

that we all want to do,

which we kind of like,

we dipped our toe in earlier and said the Warriors are dead.

Fuck it.

I'm just going to say after game one, the Warriors are dead.

They are.

A whomping is on the table.

No, I mean, I expect obviously the Warriors best effort on Sunday night

because it does feel like they have to win that game.

They're going to win the next game by like 30 points.

Yeah, I mean, they probably will, but it doesn't matter

because Celtics like mission accomplished going out West and splitting. Yeah, you stole home court from them.
Guess the line. What do they even say in the locker room after this? Are they just like, what the fuck just happened? What's the spread? I know what it is.
Do you think they stand in the locker room and they're like, wait, were you supposed to get out Horford? Like, who was supposed to get out Horford? I think the spread got bigger. I think the spread is four.
Well, yeah, it closed, I think, around four. It is four.
Okay. Damn.
Ding, ding, ding. Damn, he's good.
And the Celtics are now minus 182 to win the title. Wow.
Crazy. The whole thing was crazy.
Any other? Oh. I still think the Nets should have whomped him.
All-time bad take. It's going to be great.
All- title is like you had him getting whomped in the first round. I've got a laundry list of bad takes.
It's about as long as the River Nile, and this one is probably 1A. You also should have felt good going into this series.
Yeah, they got whomped. You should have felt good going into this series, Hank, because I have that warriors future from the beginning of the playoffs and i never win futures like it's it's actually impossible for me to ever win one so you should feel pretty confident just on that alone give me a percentage 65 you're 65 confident really i thought you'd be higher yeah higher i would be higher if i were you-Suite Hank talking.
Because it really is like Sunday night is like a free ball. Yeah, it's a free ball, but then it's like it could flip.
Like if the Warriors go up 2-1. Yeah, then the Warriors can win one game, yeah.
2-0 is a different story. 2-0 is over.
2-0 is like 85. 2-0 is dead.
To put it in your speak as an executive, Hank, they had a good Q2 and Q4 today. Next game, they need to have a good Q1.

It will circle back.

Yeah, we'll circle back on Q1.

We'll circle back on Q1.

Put a pin in Q1.

We're going to try to hit all of our goals.

I actually still don't know when the Q's start and end.

They're going to regroup.

It's every three months.

I have to ask that to be all the time.

I mean, it's four.

Oh, 12 divided by four.

We're in Q2.

Yeah.

Q2 ends in September. Yeah, we're in Q2.
We're in Q2. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
Yes, we're in Q2. Yeah, Q2.
March is Q1. 6.
7 is Q3. We're at the tail end of Q2.
The spending for Q2 is done. Yeah, the spending is done.
No, we already have to be ready for our Q4. Yeah, like we're forecasting.
Yeah. Dude, if we're smart, we'd have to be Q1 forecasting for 2023.

The spending's done, but we need to hit all of our metrics if we want to come in according to all projections that we've been going outbound to advertise.

That's for Q1 2023.

If we don't perform at the end of Q2, Q1 2023 is not going to be great. Well, you get all your money for Q1 and Q3.
You get a rebate on Q1? Oh, you get all your money in Q1 from Q3. That's correct.
I'm going to talk to the boys in accounting and make sure we've got that straight. It sounds right to me.
Everyone who's listening right now, anyone who's also in a C-suite, they just nodded along. These guys know business.
Yeah, no, we're so good at business. In all of our brains.
We probably just taught a lot of young listeners. I'm pretty sure that we all assume that the accounting department of every corporation in America is just a bunch of dudes in white button-up, short-sleeved dress shirts in the back that don't see the light of day with calculators and pencils.
Yep, yep. That's what we've got.
I'm still thinking about what the Warriors are doing in their locker room right now. I'm still reeling from Q2 of summer 2016.
That was a Q. Our sweet prince.
That was a Q. Yeah, that was a Q.
The world changed. Black hole.
Alright, last thing. Avalanche up 2-0.
Yep. They mean, they dominated.
Game one was awesome.

A million goals.

That's another future for you.

Yeah, another future.

No, I do.

I will.

Like, if anyone wants me to, like, mush a team,

just tell me and I will put a future on them.

And, like, we'll get to a point where it looks like it's great value.

Cowboys.

And then at Cowboys.

And what about Kentucky, 25-1?

Like, we'll get to a point where it's like, ooh, that was a nice bet. And then it will fall apart all, all, like in just a mess.
My futures are basically, someone make the gift for me. My futures are just Kevin's chili just falling over.
Like, oh, the Kentucky and the Cowboys and the Warriors, Wisconsin, everything just falls out. You're more of a moment guy.
You live moment to moment, not in the future. Listen, I'm a knee-jerk guy.
Future you sucks. I'm a passionate guy.
I wear my heart on my sleeve. When I say one moment doesn't matter the next moment.
You gotta stop listening to future you. That's the problem.
Yeah, exactly. No, my future's the dumbest thing to bet on.
I don't know why I ever do it. You know what I do? I do it because I'm like, well, this is money I can't lose right now.
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Okay. The match.
The match. We'll actually have some breaking news.
Oh, breaking news. Right now that just came across the wire.
Okay. Breaking news.
LeBron James is now officially a billionaire. Oh, yes.
This happens every two weeks. Forbes magazine just wrote an article announcing it to the world.
He's officially a billionaire. It's crazy that they were able to write this article up in like about two minutes after they announced that he was a billionaire.
They were watching his checking account. They were.
Yeah, they refreshed it. It was like Ashton Kutcher watching his Twitter account.
Wait, but that's weird. LeBron and Dr.
Dre become billionaires every other day. Hold on.
Aren't stocks in the tank right now? So LeBron just getting rich while the common man gets poor? Yeah, so this is actually going to make Sean Hannity become a Rosenboge guy and break out the guillotine. Yeah.
This means we have to eat LeBron James now. He is now on the menu officially.
He's been added to the menu. Congrats to LeBron.
Imagine being one of his teammates that's making the NBA League minimum. Which is an insane amount.
Yeah. But even still, like Austin Reeves.
I don't know. He's probably making a couple million a year.
LeBron's got a bill. I wonder how much is liquid.
That's always like... It should never be like this person is a billionaire.
How much is liquid? He's probably got a shitload in wine. Yeah.
Tell me how much is actually in his checking account at a given time. Yeah.
Under his mattress. I think LeBron James could write a check for $219 million right now.
Maybe even more. Who knows? He said back in 2014, it's my biggest milestone.
Oh. I want to maximize my business.
So it doesn't matter. The rings don't matter.
I think MJ has been a billionaire for like a decade and a half. If I happen to be a billion-dollar athlete, ho, hip-hop hooray.
Oh, my God. I'm going to be excited.
Damn. So hip-hop hooray for LeBron James.
Next Taco Tuesday is going to be sick. It is.
Listen, we make a lot of fun of LeBron James, and we're going to continue to do that. It must be pretty cool though to like grow up super poor and then look at it and you're like, I'm a billionaire.
I think that might be the understatement of the year. It must be cool.
It's very cool. Go from nothing to a billionaire.
But LeBron is definitely, he's going to put up like 17 Instagram stories where he's just like looking at his phone just shaking his head while his kids are in the background crying because they're hungry and he's just going be looking at his phone be like man i i can't believe this day is here i never thought this day would come that would be daddy uh you need to take me to you need to take me to school please yeah but i'm blessed too blessed to be stressed all right so congrats to lebron um let's talk about the match though we had the match whatever it was seven eight i don't know um i the The only takeaway I had is that Aaron Rodgers should be back in jail. So I counted it.
He tried vehicular manslaughter with his golf cart. He tried to hit a ball off a tree and into someone's face, and then he grounded his club in a sink.
Can't do that. Can't do that.
And then, I don't know if you were watching PFT, but in very selfish Aaron Rodgers fashion, he and Tom Brady could have basically won the match on the hole prior, or at least gone up one, and he gave Brady a terrible read, and Brady missed it. They disagreed on the read, and Brady was like, I'll go your way.
Missed it, and then Brady took it again, just like practicing on his read, hit it, and then just so that Aaron Rodgers could be the hero on hole 12 or whatever it was yeah honestly I think it's disgusting it's better that Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen lost the match against two active QBs like do you want your quarterback getting really good at golf when he should be they're focusing their attention on football right now maybe if Aaron Rodgers spent a little less time on the golf course a little bit more time in his playbook the packers wouldn't flame out in the playoffs i mean aaron rogers was the best player of the three of the four patrick romes is very good as well but i mean he also is the one who has the most free time in the second half of january every year he also is the one patrick momes is the one that uh was the first to crack open an ice cold coars light yes. Which I appreciate that.
I think he's the real winner. It was also very funny to watch them play.
One, Brady was getting legit rattled. He was very upset at himself.
He turned his hat back. He was so mad at himself.
And two, Josh Allen was struggling. And, you know, he obviously was like, this kind of sucks.
I'm not playing really well. And there were multiple times where he'd hit a shot and he'd be discouraged.
I'd be like, I would kill for that shot. Like he would hit it.
He'd hit it, you know, past the hole, 20 yards past the hole, but it still is a fine shot that you could chip in. I'd be like, that shot was insane.
And he's like, this sucks. I'm terrible.
Yeah, listen, if you're like remotely playable at golf playable at golf, there's a difference between people that just completely suck and go out there and I'd probably hit like a 140. I'm golfing tomorrow.
I'm probably going to hit like 140. And then there are guys that can go out and enjoy themselves playing golf.
Josh Allen's good enough to enjoy himself while he plays golf. Right.
That's all I ever want to do. That's what most people should aspire to.
Hit like, I don't know, half the holes, you hit it, you play inbounds. That's what I'm going for.
I would say if you can not lose a ball on nine of the 18 holes, that's a good day at the golf course. That's a great day.
But yeah, isn't it a little alarming if your quarterback was basically a semi-pro golfer? I would not like that. Well's whatever the athlete does yeah i think it's it's they do it every athlete sneaky golfs more than anyone even realizes because it's the only only place they can have privacy right out in public and they can go in like expensive country clubs and shit like it doesn't they can go price doesn't matter they can go compete and there can't be just random people like it'd be weird if athletes were were like, yeah, I picked up playing pickup hoops or I play in a softball league, which would be sick.
Bowling. Patrick Mahomes would be awesome.
Mookie Betts, right? Doesn't he bowl? He's a really good bowler. But I do feel a little vindicated because I did have multiple tweets from unbiased people saying that Aaron Rodgers is absolutely miserable to be around because he was the least talkative of the group.
He was surly. He was Aaron Rodgers.
Like Brady, as bad as he was playing at times, still was interesting and still was trying to put on a show. Aaron Rodgers, he just went for a paycheck.
Fucking jerk. It's sad.
Very sad. It's sad that that's the only reason you can get Aaron Rodgers to do anything.
I think Jackson Mahomes should have been out there. That would have been fun.
They should have paired Jackson Mahomes in a golf cart with Aaron Rodgers. Well, they should have.
What they should have done is they should have had... They were doing...
You get one mulligan, and to get the mulligan, you have to hit a big cardboard cutout of Charles Barkley with a football. If that had just been Jackson Mahomes dancing, that would have been funny.
Yeah. No, Jackson Mahomes should have...
Can you imagine if Aaron Rodgers was brothers with Jackson Mahomes, how quickly he would have killed him? Yeah, that's true. It's crazy.
It's crazy to think about. Hank, are you a little worried about Brady listening to a loser like Aaron Rodgers? Because it was a lapse in his judgment.
It was actually one of the most interesting moments. No, I think that's just like he's an ultimate teammate.
It's one of those things where it's like you look like a bad teammate if you don't listen to him, and then you miss. So it's like you've got to right yeah he did he was wrong what happened yeah but i also thought it was just hilarious that they decided to have fans of that and people almost died people people almost died every single every single drive was just going way right and they mahomes the first one i think they got they got good at calling for mahomes just didn't or it was josh allen just didn, he didn't.
And it almost killed the guy. He actually had a moment where I'm pretty sure he was a Bills fan.
This is why they're the best fans ever. He hit one to the green, past the green, and I'm pretty sure a Bills fan just kicked the ball back onto the green.
He did. And Josh was like, that was Bills mafia.
I appreciate that. That was great.
But, yeah, I mean, I'll still keep tuning in. Those guys are, you know, such crazy superstar athletes to watch them compete

and watch them be frustrated just like the rest of us

and, like, pound Coors Lights just like the rest of us.

It was cool.

I had fun.

I like the sandbaggers just because they talk more shit, like, during it.

Like, those are the true.

Oh, yeah.

You wish they were really, like, talking shit to themselves because that's what golf ultimately golf ultimately is is like you hit a bad shot and then you're just motherfucking yourself on these they have to be a little bit more like jokey haha you know it's fine we'll get the next shot yeah like that's why i mean the same baggers that biz and wit do are so funny because they just like every single shot they're just like motherfucking themselves and try to get each other's heads yes yeah it's very funny too like just when you're watching pga golf how close they get when a guy's like maybe he hits the ball like off the fairway 10 20 yards and they line up like right next to his path that he's shooting to the green because these guys are professionals they were doing that exact same thing yeah in the match yeah it's like tough shots out of the rough and guys are just like begging to get hit in the face with the ball. Yes.
Oh, yeah. And it's like they have the club speed to be pro golfers, but that's the difference.
It's the shot-making. The shot-making abilities.
They're not even close. They have the physical attributes.
Yes. Mahomes was really fun.
He was very impressive, I thought. I knew Rodgers had golfed a lot because, again, he's not playing in the back half of January.
Mahomes, though, for being that he's pretty fucking good golfer they said that tom brady's clubhead speed i think it was on his first drive was faster than the tour average whoa fucking crazy damn i think that was rogers but that's all right we'll go with brady no it was brady it was definitely um okay other stories uh the rangers shit pumped the lightning game one i memes is not here right now billy memes and jake are up doing uh pll uh training camp which should be very funny i think billy and memes are both getting in the pads playing with some lacrosse professional lacrosse players but i i'll say it for memes he was trying to be like oh it's just game one two things can be true i think the rangers Rangers are for real. And two, I think if you aren't betting, like, everything on Friday night for the Lightning, this is like a 100-year storm.
Yeah. The streak will continue, right? So I got...
They're going to win. They don't lose back-to-back games.
I got absolutely fucked up on the scheduling of this. Why? Because the Rangers played at home last night.
Yeah, you got hanked. Yeah, I got hanked big time on it i had more points i literally looked at it and i was like this doesn't make sense i was assuming that was going to be on the road but yeah i think there's no chance at all that the lightning roll over for another game but the rangers so everyone was like the rangers are a little experienced they thought that they could come in here i think it was biz that was like they thought they could come in here and and swing their dick around with sydney crosby he thought they were too young.
He thought they were too inexperienced. But I think they've reached the point now where, like, they don't know how big the moment is supposed to be that they're in right now.
So they're playing loose and they're ready to go. Just know that whatever our good friend Paul Bissonnette says is wrong.
There's never been anyone who's been more wrong about a playoffs than him. I think he had the Panthers.
I think he had the Flames. He had the Leafs.
He had the Rangers losing to the Canes. He's had every single wrong pick.
The Penguins. Yeah.
Between him and Mr. Ice, if you just faded the two of those guys, you'd be LeBron James, billionaire.
And then the last thing I had before we got to Richard Jefferson and Meatball Molly great interviews we had what seems like the last final story final anecdote from the Tommy Pham Jock Peterson feud Mike Trout was a commissioner and Tommy Pham claims that he was a bad commissioner and he didn't do everything that he needed to do. And then we had a big debate about commissioners in fantasy sports, which I contend like everyone should hate their commissioner.
That's the role of the commissioner. So I think that like Mike Trout, if he's the commissioner, he had to know this day was coming, that he was going to get shit on for not running a tighter ship.
I think maybe maybe Tommy Fam's wife has alopecia. That would have been a great story if he had just been like that that's why i beat the fuck out of you in the outfield i think that we need to get this we need to get this entire league into like a uh like a reality show this fantasy league needs to be a reality show and i think it's fair to point your finger at mike trout as well because he's in charge.
Right, but— You can't have a high-stakes fantasy league and then not even monitor how people are using the injured reserve. Right.
My point is that every commissioner in any fantasy league, they're like the president of the condo board. They are there to be hated because they either run too tight of a ship and everyone complains, or they run too loose of a ship, everyone complains.
It's a no-win job. It's a no-win job.
Basically, the only thing you get to decide is you get to decide for your schedule when the draft is held. The best thing that can happen to a fantasy commissioner is if you have one guy in the league that's more of a rules stickler than the commissioner is, then the commissioner can be very, very strict with the rules, but they're also not the total psycho that that one guy in the league is.
But then they have to deal with that one guy. They have to deal with the one guy, but you'd rather deal with that one guy and then have everybody else in the league being like, yeah, that guy fucking sucks.
Thanks for being on our side. That's what it sounds like Mike Trout doesn't have in this league.
It's a thankless job, though, and it's also a job that everyone should know that if you are the commissioner of your fantasy league, everyone hates you. That's just a fact.
Also, everyone hates you. Why is Mike Trout being the commissioner of a fantasy league? He said that they couldn't pick one and they just made him do it.
Yeah, so it's on them. It's on the wrestling.
He owned that. For nobody stepping up.
He said it's kind of our fault because he didn't really want to do it. Yeah.
So, yeah, just a hilarious story all the way through.

I'm still on Team Jock Peterson, but the fact that Tommy Pham has not disputed any of it is just so funny to me.

The fact that he's like, yeah, I slapped him.

Yeah, I got my suspension.

Yeah, he fucked around with me.

Tommy Pham also seems like a guy that just can't take a joke.

Yes.

At all.

Correct. He seems like a guy that just bad hang.
Yeah. Yes.
Bad hang big time. Okay.
Hank, do you got any news? Not yet. No.
Okay. All right.
So let's get to our interviews. We've got Richard Jefferson and then Meatball Molly and then we'll finish up with Fyre Fest of the Week.
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Okay, we now welcome on our good friend, NBA champion, Richard Jefferson. He's here.
He is live from San Francisco getting ready for the NBA Finals. Let's just put in a little caveat for all of our listeners.

We're taping this before game one.

They're going to listen to it after game one.

If we screw up and say a bunch of things.

Yeah.

That's a setup.

That's a setup.

It is.

It is.

It's a setup.

It's a setup, but I wanted to just put a little timestamp on it.

All right.

Let's just jump right into it.

We're very excited.

What are the vibes like right now? Let's get a vibe check of san francisco media day the teams everything you know what i can't speak on it from the player side but it's like i would not be surprised if covid affected this nba finals no i would not be surprised and that's that's a bump that's yeah Just because there's a lot of media members. I think Jeff Van Gundy now has COVID.
There's been different people in the media stuff. I'm not going to give up piece of people's personal stuff.
But even our show on NBA today, we were supposed to fly in today. We're all going to go do dinner at Malika's family's house here in Oakland.
That got kiboshed because multiple people on our team. So that would be a funny, not funny, that would be an interesting thing that to watch is that.
Okay. That's a real bummer to start with.
That is, yeah, that's tough. Now, I was actually just reading about you the other day because there was an article that came out recapping one thing that you said that I took umbrage with and I wanted to confront you on it face to face like a man you said that you would pay money to hit Skip Bayless the way Dylan Brooks injured Gary Payton you you think you could beat up Skip Bayless because the man lifts so so Richard we like you we've had you on the show a lot.
I feel like we all get along well. We appreciate your takes.
But when you're friends with somebody, you got to call them out on some bullshit. And a month ago, you said something that I took major umbrage with.
You said that you would pay money to hit Skip Bayless. I don't know if you've seen skip's workout routine but the man is fucking jacked up i think i think skip bayless takes you out in round one okay first of all i didn't say just like punch him i was just more saying like let's give a little context it's just imagine like him going through the middle now Now look, Skip Bayless is in great shape.

He is in outstanding shape for someone his age.

Let's just –

No, I would put a period.

I'm just joking, Skip.

No, period.

No, no, no.

Skip, look, good for Skip, man.

Good for Skip, but no.

Yeah, Skip, sometimes he talks about things, and that's the only part,

and I understand it's a shtick.

I understand it's just a thing, right?

Like he just tweets, LeBron James did this.

This is... times he talks about things and that's the only part and i understand it's a shtick i understand it it's just a thing right like he just tweets lebron james did this up next it's like dude that's not even real that's not even like like that's not even real anything you're just putting stuff out there and so every once in a while i have those moments where he's something and he's like you know that type of shot that is an easy shot i'm like like wait what come on come on bro like in the way he calls out players and it's just for every once in a while like add a little humor to it you know what i'm saying like like you guys you guys call out everybody and you add humor and i love you guys for it other people want to call out people and do it in like this aggressive angry way.
And you're like, bro, that's just not it.

Yeah, I think with Skip, when he talks about a shot being easy,

you can't look at it like Skip Bayless is saying he can make that shot.

When he says a shot's easy, he means Michael Jordan would have made that shot in one of the highlights that he remembers of Michael Jordan.

Oh, no, that's not the way he means it.

Skip Bayless really means that it's so easy that he could do it. It's just like, yeah, it's so easy.
No, no, not even Michael Jordan. I could do it.
No, no, I get it. But I understand if you're a big Skip fan, I understand.
I get it. I'm more of a Shannon Sharp guy myself.
But, yeah, I get it. I like Shannon, too.
I'm more of a fan of the ecosystem in the world that allows a guy like Skip Bayless to exist that's what I'm a fan of yeah it's an ecosystem is really really interesting you know Troy Aikman is a real big fan of Skip Bayless if you want to hit him you got to get in line that's kind of how it works works. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Hey, Troy, welcome to the ESPN family, man. Yes, that's true.
You have his back now. Welcome, man.
Count. I got you, brother.
Got you. All right.
I got like a basketball nerdy, kind of nerdy, but I love this matchup because styles make fights and these styles are different. It feels very different.
It also feels like the Celtics going from a knockdown drag out rock fight with the heat seven games and now having to face the Warriors. You face the Warriors in the finals.
What from a like player's perspective is the difference when you go from an ISO ball team that really only has one option in the heat versus a team that's just running constantly, cutting everywhere, moving. How shocking is that to switch series to series? Well, the Celtics have the personnel to do it, but the problem is that if you don't see it, and the Miami Heat were were a little bit of that even though their half-court offense was trash they they have a bunch of guys that are moving it's tyler hero it's duncan robinson obviously those guys didn't play the last few games but it's it's bam it's kyle it's jimmy butler there's a lot of different guys that can beat you nothing like what the golden state warriors have like obviously but when you kind of get used to the movement.
But I'll say this. The Golden State Warriors on the other side have a matchup that they haven't really seen either.
They've gone against a one-superstar team in Denver with Jokic. They went against a one-superstar team in the Memphis Grizzlies.
And Ja missed a ton of that series. And Golden State didn't even play well like when he was out and then they went against a one superstar team in Dallas in Luka so now you're they're going to go against a team with multiple guys now that can go out there and beat you and have like crazy high impacts and so I think that's a I think both sides like you said for a fight there are both like two different things that we all get to sit back and watch.
How do these teams handle this blow? How do they – the first round, the second round, who's going to go for the knockout? It's a fun way to sit back and watch. Yeah, it is, and you're absolutely right.
The Celtics pose a ton of mismatch problems for the Warriors and vice versa. What – like each team going into it, how does – from a basketball standpoint, how does a coach or a team say, like, this is how we want to play, whether it be pace or, you know, how the ball moves.
Like, how do you dictate your style on the opponent as opposed to kind of letting the game come to everyone and maybe getting it away from you? Well, at this level, when you start talking about the teams that can contend for a championship right we're not talking about every team but teams first of all you got to have talent you got to have talent that is undeniably unstoppable right like look at all the teams here what jimmy butler was doing what jason tatum was doing like that shit it's just like hey look we're gonna start with a guy that is damn near impossible to stop consistently. Right.
You know, Luca Steph, right. Warriors got a couple of them.
Right. So it's like, when you start with that, then you're like, okay, so it's based off my personnel.
Who do we have? What do we have? Hey, Luca is our main guy. We're going to put shooters around them and that's going to be our style.
And we're going to play at his pace. Steph is a crazy run around shooting guy.
So we got to put shooters around him and we got to put long wing defenders so that we can play the style of basketball we play. So, you know, that's, again, that's the beautiful part about basketball is that you take what you have and then you have to do the puzzle pieces around it.
And I think all four of these teams, excuse me, the last four teams all were pretty good pieces of a puzzle right because they weren't like the Phoenix Suns it wasn't like Giannis who was just like this unstoppable force or LeBron James it was like really good teams that were like put together well and and just depended on who was going to be healthiest yeah Yeah. What do you think is going to happen with the lineup for,

for Golden state?

Like what,

what is Steve Kerr going to do that to me?

I think it's going to be the biggest thing that,

that has the largest effect on the series.

Like,

are they going to go small a lot or are they going to try to put some of

the rebounders in?

You know,

I think they're going to go small because,

you know when you look at Williams,

you know,

he's big shot blocker for Boston.

If you go small, then now it's like our smalls versus your smalls right he can block shots and then if you're running if you're running stuff and these guys off for three and then you got that big shot blocker in there he's blocking shots he's catching dunks that becomes a lot for them so what the idea for if you're in my opinion if you'rer, play small. Play super small and then make him have to come out on the perimeter and guard three-point shooters.
Now, ideally, Boston then would go to Grant Williams and have Grant Williams play kind of the small ball five like he did against Milwaukee. And I know I'm getting all basketball on you guys.
But Grant Williams, to me, if the Warriors go small, will be a key the boston celtics if he plays well like he did in the milwaukee series where he hit eight threes nine threes whatever it was then you know boston's gonna be a problem yeah i mean it's it's a very fascinating match but i really do think it's gonna be a great series i hope it's gonna be a great series uh who's your x factor for i know it's a cliche thing to say but i i do like to kind of think about it that way because we know Steph's going to get his, we know Tatum's going to get his. Jalen Brown and Klay Thompson are going to both have big impacts, probably games where they both score in the thirties.
Who's the guy though on each side where you're like, if that guy can step up, if that guy can elevate his game, that becomes the difference maker in this series. I won't like, okay okay so elevate your game is that's asking a lot if you do that great right we just you just can can someone perform at a consistent clip that's what you're that's what you're looking for you're looking for consistency in these moments because your teams are so great as long as you play consistently ideally you should win, right? It's when you're inconsistent that becomes the rollercoaster ride.
I would say the two people, I mentioned Grant Williams. I think Grant Williams, like he's going to be key because the Warriors just force everyone to play small.
But on the Golden State side, I would say Andrew Wiggins. If Andrew Wiggins can be consistent, if he can give them between 18 and 22, let's say seven game series, five out of the seven game series, I think the Warriors win.
If he's 12 one night, 18 one night, 28 another night, then 13 the next night, that's hard. That's going to be a lot harder for the Golden State Warriors because you know Steph is going to be Steph.
But if he's inconsistent, then that means that Steph can't have an off night. You've got to allow your superstar to win a game.
Your team has to win a game when your superstar doesn't play well. Ideally, the formula is this, and I've said this, is that your superstars have to win you two games in the finals.
So you've got to look at your superstars and say you won game one and game three, fours. You have to win a game where you don't play well.
You don't shoot three well. You're 39%, but your defense was great.
You turned them over. You offensive rebound, but you just shot poorly.
You still won. And then you have to count a game where the others, other guys step up outside where you might Jordan Poole, you know, Kavon Looney.
Like, these are the guys that are the reason why you won the game. You know, for Boston, it could be White and Al Horford or Peyton Pritchard goes five for seven and hits three threes in the fourth quarter.
Like, then you would point to those guys singularly. So that's kind of the formula.
Yeah, I like that. That's a good way to break it down.
I agree. What have you heard about Brad Stevens and any of the impact that he's having? We always like to think of him as the wizard behind the curtain, and Imei's done an awesome job this year.
But does he have any day-to-day involvement with the team whatsoever? Oh, 100%. It was the passing of a baton in a relay race right like that's really what this was it was like hey like i want to go to this space in the front office i want somebody that i believe can take these guys to the next level right and and this is where i like again i'm i'm not going to go too deep into it but like for a guy like brad stevenson is like hey if stevens it's, I want this guy to take these guys maybe where I couldn't, maybe where I couldn't, I'm going to pick my successor.
I've got these guys primed to be ready. They're basketball IQ.
This is X, Y, and Z. I need someone that can push them where I could.
And you find that guy and you believe in email who doka and he has proven has proven like Brad right and so I think that that's a compliment to Brad to say like hey somebody else needs to come in here and push these guys in this group where I could doesn't mean that Brad couldn't win a championship as an NBA head coach that's not what I'm saying what I'm saying is this group right here and where Brad was he said I'm not the guy no different than Jay Wright stepping down at down at villanoke right it doesn't mean that the guy can't still do it it just means that this he just wanted to be in a in a different space so he but he's still there in a day-to-day every single day i thought it was very classy how he just he walked away picked his successor didn't have to take a full year to make everybody like watch him and praise him and give him gifts everywhere that he went he just kind of went went off on his own. He's like, okay, I'll stay behind the scenes now.
I think certain college coaches could learn a lot from how he conducted himself. Yeah, I agree.
And I think sometimes you do that because he's like, maybe I'm not done coaching. I just need a moment or whatever, just whatever it is.
And so I respect that. But no, when I look at what the Boston Celtics have done, I really commend them as an organization and the way they've handled this transition because you have young stars on that team.
You got a loaded roster that every year is competing. So to just let that go and just be like, I'm going to go to the front office, you go here.
But front office individuals are as active as anybody, and especially because obviously prior relationships. He's not a guy that took over in his building.
He drafted these guys. He's worked with them every day.
He coached them to their first all-star games. So he's still there and involved.
Yeah, and Ime Adoka, it's incredible the job he's done. I feel like now he'll get a little bit more praise because they're in the finals.
But I was reading a story today about how the Celtics were bad. They were a bad team for the first few months of the season.
And you had the Marcus Smart called out Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum to the press. Are you shocked knowing how a locker room works that they were able to come back together after that? Because that usually, like calls out and kind of airs dirty laundry it can go south pretty quickly and i'd assume it but see but now think about it think about like who was the person that called them out and i'm not saying mark is smart is like he can't make a mistake or he at times can try and do a little too much no that's not what i'm saying what i'm saying is that when the guy that is putting forth that type of effort and he is calling it how he sees it.
And he has a, he has, he's, he's, he has a reputation for that. And, and so for him to get up there and how he did it, like Jason kid called out, called those guys, Hey, we need other guys to step up and show up.
It can't just be Luca with 35 and 45. We need other guys to step up.

Like, that's a fair statement for a coach to say.

And people are like, man, you know,

our guy's going to feel like he's going at him.

And he's like, no, he's just telling the truth.

And so when I look at what Jalen Brown,

or, you know, the way that Marcus Smart called him out,

he did it.

He's like, look, teams know that these guys are scorers

and that they don't want to pass the ball.

We hear the other team saying that. Until these guys become players and that they don't want to pass the ball we hear the other team saying that until these guys become playmakers and become basketball players it's going to be tough yeah and so i think until those guys embrace that role and they did and then their defense and email and so many other things started working out and it should it just became amazing yeah and it was uh in the story basically he may went to marcus, look, you said it.
You got to own it. Don't run from it.
Like, this is, you know, it became a galvanizing moment where they opened up lines of communication that weren't there previously. And I also, in like reading his style and everything, it seems like he pushes the buttons where he holds everyone accountable and he's tough and the defensive-minded side of it, because you can tell me if I'm way wrong.
But in the NBA, it feels like everyone has their offensive skill set defense and being good at defense is a lot about effort. And like, do you want to try possession to possession and like put in the work to play as a cohesive unit on the defensive side? Is that fair? Yeah, it's fucking playing great defense at that level like with Steph you can chase him around for 22 seconds and you could play perfect defense and he hits one of the most ridiculous shots and guess what you got to go do that shit again and you got to do it again and again and again and so to put forth the type of effort that it takes to win a championship you know look, look at these guys.
These guys had to go through KD. Think about it.
There is no night you get a rest if KD and Kyrie have the ball. There is no night that you will get a rest if you get Giannis next round.
And yes, no Middleton. I think that Milwaukee was the best team this year.
If they would have had Middleton, they'd be in final right now. But like you had to go against a guy that was just dropping 40 balls on everybody.
Then you get to the conference finals and you just have a slugfest like Rocky Balboa versus freaking Apollo. No one's dodging.
Everyone's just punching as hard as they can against Miami. And your reward is the Golden State Warriors who's been waiting a little bit.
Like the play, of defense it takes you have to be a cohesive unit you have to be able to be honest with each other you have to be able to accept criticism and when a coach says you were piss poor you let your teammates down this is not what we're supposed to do you know better than this you can't take it personally you just have to own it because your goals are so high that the only way to do it is to try and achieve perfection yeah yeah so uh you could look at it as the celtics they've played all these very very tough teams out of the east and you know their reward like you said is now they have to play the warriors in the finals you can look at it like oh shit these guys have got to be exhausted can look at it like they're battle-tested. So which way do you think it leans? Could this be a net benefit? I guess it depends on the team and the makeup of the team, whether or not they're exhausted by this point or whether or not they're just more motivated and tough because of who they played.
I think they'll be tougher in the beginning, in the first four games. And I think as it continues, if it goes whatever, the next three games is where they get fatigued.
That's where they get fatigued. Because when you show up in this, those guys have been fighting for their lives.
Every single night, they've been fighting for their lives for over a month, right? Where the Golden State Warriors, they weren't really worried about Denver.

They were maybe, you know,

a little bit more worried about Memphis,

but then Ja went out like game three.

So like that wasn't really ultra stressful.

And then to go and then have Luka upset the Suns.

And so if the Suns would have showed up

against the Golden State Warriors,

they would have at least been on edge game one, game two. They would have edge like yo this has been the best team whatever but no Luka beats them in seven so the Golden State Warriors are waiting and they know that they can beat Luka they know that they can do that they just have to just not be idiots and they do it so they were never ever under any real like crazy stress for how great they are the other side those guys were just fighting nuts so at game one and game two if golden state comes in lax and boston comes in like they've been in that dog fight for the last month boston can get control but as the series progresses is where i think boston starts to fatigue and so they got to come out and hit first because the longer this series goes it's not going to favor Boston yeah I got a question about Steph um you know he's an all-time all-time player it's very it's it's very weird how people talk about him because of his size and the fact that he's not physically dominating in any way I feel like everyone's always hesitant to put him in like, you know, greatest of all time.
But when you played against him, like the amount of attention that is needed for Steph Curry when he's on the court, is it just off the charts where everyone always has to know where he is? Because that's the crazy part about Steph to me is like, even if he's not making his shots, he makes the entire defense go towards him at all times. Well, and this is the other thing that I like.
This is one thing that I want to make sure people understand. And I think a lot of times it gets with Klay Thompson.
And you see the Klay's at 75% of himself. But like when he's on that court, they are a ridiculous team.
My point is this, to be the greatest shooter we've ever seen and to probably have the second best shooter in the league, probably a top five shooter of all time, also on your team makes it like it's not fair, right? And so with Steph, he does create so much confusion and his movement, but it's also because you can't leave this guy who is Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, however you want to say it, right next to him. And so, you know, when I look at guarding Steph, when you look at greatness, whether it's Magic, whether it's Will Kareem, you know, Larry Bird, you want to see something you've never seen before.
There is no, I think the closest copy that we ever had was Kobe and MJ. But if you really studied that, they were different.
They just played the same style. Like MJ was far more efficient, you know, all the different things.
And so when you look at that, it's like, dude, Steph does things we've never seen before and probably never will. Not at the same clip because that's what makes him Steph.
So I don't like it when people only look at greatness as like physical dominance. You.
You've got to put skill in there. Like skill, like he has a skill set that is greater than anyone we've ever seen.
Yeah. And I'm trying to do a better job of like when I'm watching sports in the moment being like appreciating what I'm watching as long as it's not LeBron.
Like appreciating like the greatness of someone I'm watching being like I might not see a Steph Curry again in my life. again, as long as it's not LeBron like that one.
I don't care about that. That's that's that's that's an older that but that's that's an old you're a seasoned man.
Like you're now at the spot of your life where you look at sports with a different lens of like, yo, I remember as a child and I remember where I'm at now. And I'm like, I've only seen like two or three people people like this I might only see one or two more in my lifetime right right so you should sit back and enjoy it and embrace it you know especially a guy like LeBron you know that that's for you I think it's a real I think that'd be a really big step of maturity big cat you can do it bro no you can do it you can do it and no thank you you know definitely there's gonna be a in like 20 years where like my son's like, what was it like to watch LeBron? I'm like, didn't watch it.
You're like, it sucked. It sucked.
You would have hated it. He pretended to get cramps.
I tell people right now, whether you like him or not, I'm not telling you to like LeBron. I'm telling you to watch LeBron's the only thing i'm saying and if you can't look if you if that not okay well this is i love watching lebron we're not gonna we're not we're not gonna see it again we're not like are you at least are you gonna watch him when he at least passes cream are you gonna watch him passes cream this year will you watch it i've will you watch it yes i will and i've admitted lebrron's a good basketball player.
There you go. I'm not saying you don't have to like him, bro.
I'm not saying you have to like him. No, he's incredible.
I know. LeBron actually passes a test where I do not like him.
And then he's had moments where I'm like, holy fuck, this is incredible. Even that they had the anniversary of the J.R.
Smith game. And looking back at that game and like what LeBron, I think he scored like 50 points.
And it was just like. Yeah, he had a 50-point triple-double.
Yeah, he almost beat the Warriors by himself. I remember thinking like, holy fuck, how is this guy doing it? So I appreciate him, whatever.
Listen, I love watching LeBron because you have to watch him to find all the stuff to laugh about later. Yeah.
You know, like. Yes, you, he gives you everything.
He'll give you a game like that where I think there were like six games in a row in the NBA finals where he put up stat lines that had never been done before. Yeah.
And then he'll, and then he'll do the thing where he like lays down on the ground, pretends that his eye is out of its side. Like he died.
Like he's dying. Bro, we used to sit on the bench and be like, bro, you didn't get hit in the face.
Get back on. Yeah.
But, like, we're all guilty of it. We're all guilty of it.
He's just not very good at flopping. He's not a very good flopper.
But that's what I love because he tries to be good at it. He, like, puts effort into his flops.
But he's not good at it. Yeah.
But, I mean, we love doing legacy talk,

and I feel like this is the time to start doing the Steph Curry legacy talk. Like, if Steph Curry wins an NBA Finals MVP this year, I'm ready to be the first person to say that he's better than LeBron James.
Purely at basketball. Yeah.
You might be the first and last person to say that. No.
So that's cool. No.
No, I think Steph starts. I think the conversation of Steph being a top 10 player in NBA history becomes extremely hard to push him out.
Because you say it at this point, assuming that he will accomplish more. More All-Stars.
More All-NBA. Like the number of threes that he's going to potentially end with.

I'm not talking about more championships.

You don't know how that goes.

But you know that he's going to get all-stars, he's going to get all-NBAs,

and he's going to have more playoff numbers.

And so when it all ends and it's all finished,

I don't like the whole that change the game, change the game.

He did, but again, having Klay Thompson next to you, you're running me like having that they together the golden state warriors helped change the game of basketball and steph and on top of it there were rule changes and i'm not saying this to hate i'm just saying that like to just singularly give him the credit as the greatest shooter is yes but like i just watched that collective group do it together and put him in a position to let him fucking go and steph is the great one of the nicest superstars ever but i just think collectively the golden state warriors led by steph curry changed the game but what about this if steph curry if we start having the debate like should he be in that top three conversation then you can use ammo to be like, well, that makes LeBron's championship with the Cavaliers even more impressive because he beat Steph Curry, who is a better basketball player than him. Yeah.
If you beat someone better than you, I see you. So you're saying that like, that helps LeBron's legacy.
I dig that. I like, uh, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna bring that up with Steph when I see him like, Hey, like hey like uh the lebron fans out there really want you to win because it'll make it better that they beat you yeah after you won the title with him um who was who was the biggest partier in cleveland that because i feel like it was delhi i saw pictures of delhi everywhere you know what we didn't really party after we won that's what was so crazy like we um we did like some like family barbecues like We didn't like, it was crazy.
Like, and you know, we didn't really party after we won that's what was so crazy like we um we did like some like family barbecues like we didn't like it was crazy like and you know we didn't really drink that much we didn't really do much it was like after we won like everyone's family came and then like we did like a couple of family barbecues some like meet and greets and then you know everyone just kind of went home yeah like to like their where where they're found i feel like jr smith didn't put a shirt on for like two weeks, though. Well, you know, that was just the parade.
At the parade, it was extremely hot out there. And so it was like, you know, there was tons of topless people, most of them men or J.R., you know, but not all of them.
All right. I had two last questions.
I'm lying. We drank our asses off.
I was about to say you're full of shit. Yeah, yeah, 100% full of shit.
I'm still hung up. I'm still hung up.
I do have a question about Kyrie, and I'm sure you've been asked about it, but it may be a little bit of a different question. What is it about Kyrie that guys just love playing with him? Because Kyrie gets talked about all the time, and obviously this season was up and down with all the vaccine stuff and everything but at the end of the day it feels like everyone who's on his team loves playing with him and I'm wondering if there's something that we're missing as fans that we just don't see that is like this is why Kevin Durant wants to play with Kyrie this is why some of these guys want to be around Kyrie when we look at it like wow what, wow, what a headache.
Well, there's two sides to it. One, from a skill side, as basketball players, we're all fans.
Like, once you're in a craft like that and you're doing it, we're fans. And when we see Kyrie play, we're all just like, what the fuck? Like, the things that he can do, it's very similar to Steph.
They have very different temperaments, right? Like, where, you know, Kyrie's a little bit more up and down. Steph is very like this.
But as far as talent level, like we see like Steph go for our clay, our Steph click. We see Kyrie go for 50 with like, you know, 70% shooting.
And you're just like the things that he can do and the way he does it and the flair and the sexy and all that stuff. As a fan of basketball, you better love what he can do.
Now, as a person, he's just, he's, he's, is a lovable person. He is like, he just like Kyrie has moments where like, he just gets real introspective and he kind of like, just becomes like more like a, like he just kind of is in his own space.
And we know that as teammates. And then there's times he's going to walk into the locker room and he's going to be the life of the party, singing, dancing, doing, you know, we've seen the uncle drew, everyone knows Kyrie.
He's got an amazing personality. And then there's times where he just gets a little bit more to himself.
And that's just, that's just, that's just Ky, you know, doing that. And when you, once you're a part of a team, it's all about like, Hey, like, what do you need to go do what you need to go do? Hey, do you need to be by yourself for, for 36 hours and kind of just be in your own space? You're not like yelling or being a dick.
You're just kind of in your own space, headphones on watching videos, not really talking that much. And then you go out and score 35, and score 35 I'm gonna leave you alone I'm gonna leave you alone but like that's the thing I think for guys that have played with Kyrie now yes is it you know has there been issues and stuff like that where like you know you want more consistency of your one of the greatest players that we've seen in this generation yes but ultimately he's a he is a good dude.
And I think he's more misunderstood than I think he'll ever get credit for. Yeah, yeah.
The one thing I'm looking forward to that isn't being talked about as much is the matchup between Marcus Smart and Draymond Green. And not necessarily that they'll be guarding each other, but just the fact that these are guys that, like Big Cat's the x factor these guys are wild cards right like they can they can help they can be the reason that their team wins and then they can be the reason why the game is delayed for like three and a half minutes and no one can figure out what's going on on the court because everybody's fighting each other so i i love players like that i'm curious to know like which one of these guys obviously draymond's done it before and he's there, and he's proven that he can step up when he's not kicking people in the dicks in the finals.
But between those two guys, which one do you think is going to have a bigger positive impact on the series? I think that Draymond is ridiculously important to everything the Golden State Warriors are doing. I think I think Mark is smart be in more positions to have a bigger impact right like he's a scorer right so he's out there trying to score also like there's multiple games where he led uh the ball Celtics in shock last round and then also defensively he's going to be guarding Steph he's going to be guarding Clay he's going to Wiggins.
He's going to be guarding Poole. So he's just going to be in a position to make more plays.
So I look at Marcus Smart being a key, key cog. Marcus Smart had great series, great series for Marcus Smart.
I think it's going to be hard to beat the Celtics. Yeah.
So he's more likely to help his team win. Would he also be the one that's more likely to help his team lose? I would go with Draymond on that.
And that's, you know, Draymond's my guy, but he's been in that position before. Marcus Smart has never done anything or hasn't got suspended during the postseason.
So just purely going off prior history, I would say that would be Draymond. And Drayaymond first of all i i got a little something with draymond draymond said something the other day yesterday and he goes look we have never been beaten whole we've never been beaten whole and i'm like thinking to myself um and i was on tiktok and we were doing lives when i first saw it i was like you were around for six of six of the, he was like, well, even in, you know, even in 16, when we lost, I got suspended game five.
I'm like, Draymond, you were there for six of the seven games, six of the seven games. That's pretty damn whole.
And if you're going to use that logic, which I never do, you're not going to say anything about when Kyrie hurt his knee, when you guys won in 15 or Kevin Love not being there for the Cavs in 15. So that's not like my thing is like, dude, you can't say, you know, we've never been beaten whole when you've beaten teams that weren't whole.
And also that's just game seven at home. They had game seven at home.
And whose fault was it that Draymond missed that game? Yeah. And they had game seven at home.
You can't say we've never been beaten whole when you got beaten game seven at home that's it you had a chance to win it right there and you had like yeah you had a chance to win it you were the greatest team in NBA regular season history which I I believe they were I believe that they were the greatest regular season team of all time it don't it don't mean a thing without a ring right that's the meanest thing to say like the way that you phrased it it actually like it sounds like you're insulting them when you say they're the greatest regular season nba team of all time you're just making your ring bigger they won the president's trophy well maybe maybe but no no look those are my brothers and they are that's what made our championship so hard and so great is because we had to beat the two-time MVP, the first unanimous MVP, and the defending champions and the greatest regular season team that we had ever, that, that the NBA had ever had. I'm sorry.
Like, yeah. You know, just making your ring bigger.
I would do the same thing if I were you. All right.
Last question. Thank you, Richard, for joining us.
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Okay, we've danced around it. Give us your prediction.
Give us how this NBA Finals is going to go down. Warriors and nine.
Warriors and nine. The NBA would love to have a nine game series.
You know Adam Silver is trying to figure out how to do it. Like have it go all the way until September.
Game five and six canceled for COVID at halftime. No, four games are canceled at halftime for COVID, so that equals the extra two games.
There we go.

There we go. Get that TV money.

So give us your prediction. Come on.

I'm going to... Warriors in

seven and in overtime

game seven. Wow.

So I said Warriors in seven

on Tuesday, and I've

ever since that moment, I've just...

Everything that's gone in my head has been like, I think the Celtics

are going to win. But I'm sticking with Warriors

I'm going to go are going to win. But I'm sticking with Warriors in seven.
But it is that good of a matchup. If the Celtics win, I would not bat nine.
It's like, yeah, I could see it. It's like, yo, it's closer than people think.
But, yeah. Yeah.
They're good. Okay.
Well, everyone check out RJ. He's going to be on TV.
He's going to be traveling for the finals. We appreciate you always and your time.
And next time in New York, why don't you come? That way we don't have to screw up the Zoom. It was on our fault.
Well, yeah, 100%. I'm in.
I'm in. Okay.
I'm going to hit you up. I'm in New York.
I'll come save. All right.
Have fun. See you.
Good luck. Peace, guys.
Thanks, man. Be safe.
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And now for something completely different. All right, we now welcome on a very special guest, co- of ours it is meatball molly molly mccann uh ufc fighter all around great person we've spent some time with her very excited to have you on thank you for joining us no problem thanks for having me also a good friend of patty the baddie so if you notice that uh accent it is liver puddleian yeah is that Sc correct yeah or Scouser yeah all right now let's start there did you do you have the same feelings that Paddy has that like when England's in the World Cup you're not going to root for him um I'm a little bit different so I hate um the government and I hate the monarchy um however I hate England football fans but I don't hate the footballers who are trying to play and win for us.
Okay. But my family is very Irish, so they would all support Ireland over England.
Got it. But you support the team.
You support the lads when they play. That's it.
You don't support the government that oversees the lads. No, I don't support anything other than that.
They're just... So much in our country's history has been great, but so much hasn't been.
And I just think they're just rats. And in all honesty, in the 70s and 80s, there was prime ministers out at the time, and their job was actually to break Liverpool down.
And that's like, that would be like Trump saying, I want to break Texas down, like let's destroy Texas. And then 30 years later, it's come out in documents.
Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. That's like real life shit.
So when Paddy says, I'm not English, I'm from the People's Republic of Liverpool, I think most of Liverpool is the same, to be honest. I mean, it's got an energy when you're around you and Paddy that it's just, it's awesome.
And I know obviously you guys are fighters, but you're passionate people that like you have a vibe to you that's fun to be around. Yeah, certain places in the world.
I think like impoverished places make these kinds of people. Interesting, yeah.
Yeah, like you have to make the best of nothing. You have to see the silver lining in everything and be grateful for everything.
So when really amazing things happen like this, it just like blows your mind. Do you know what I mean? And you are grateful for the littlest thing.
Just like, hi how are you do you know what i mean but we're also larger than life because shy kids don't get sweets is what we would say hard times make for hard people that's the one yeah yeah so so you've had a very successful career we watched your fight back in march i think it was named you got like the fight of the month or something like fight the night yeah definitely it was like a month award that you got it was like the best fight i got that in september as well do you know when you just signed paddy after that fight i got knocked out of the month and i was like dana can i have another 50 gram please you can't fuck off so when did you realize that you that you were just tougher than everybody when did you realize that you liked liked to fight? Definitely when I was a kid. I was just skinny, scrawny, just little, but I just had to keep on keeping on.
And what I realized, I didn't start fighting until a very late age. So I started MMA at 23.
And what I had to run with is hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard

and I didn't have the fight IQ or the knowledge base

that what some people had

because they'd been doing it since they was 10, 11, 12.

So I just used to have to run further, lift more, do more rounds

and it just made me into an absolute animal

and a bit deluded in my brain, to be honest.

I would just go in thinking I'm going to absolutely fucking kill you

Thank you. It was only after I was humbled in the UFC when I was choked out, I didn't tap.
I was like fitting on the floor. Oh, you didn't tap? Wow.
Bitches tap. Yeah.
Wow. You and Jesus don't tap.
Or Paddy, scousers don't tap. So you just, you just You literally blacked out Lad I'm like A fucking salmon Going upstream I gotta find this video What was the feeling Molly vs Jillian What was the feeling Like when you get close Well I knew she was Because you know When they get it in right Yeah so She's on And you see me put my hands And then I go Fuck this So then I just the sky.
Well, I'm like looking at the floor actually. But I could just see the vision go like this.
And then I woke up and I was all shaken and I was like, what's happened here? Like, what's going on? And then I look at my coach and I start coming round. And I go, I didn't tap, I didn't tap, I didn't tap.
I promise you I didn't tap because when you're a mouth like me and Paddy and when you have a certain fighting style, you can only be that way when you're truly ready to give everything. And I just think if there was a 0.01% that her arm was going to gas, I knew I would have got up and punched the fucking head in.
So unfortunately that didn't happen. But me and Gillian, the girl who done it to me, she was the best and worst thing that ever happened to me.
But from that moment, we've been really good friends. I've been to corner here on fight week.
Here coach Dean Thomas coaches me. This is savage.
I'm watching it. I know, yeah.
You just got so choked out.

I didn't even think about tapping.

My eyes were open as well, so I was asleep for five seconds before the referee even. Because he couldn't tell, because you didn't even blink.

I know.

You just did.

It's crazy, because there's multiple moments where I'm like, wait, you got to tap right

here, and you just went down with the ship.

I know.

It's like proper belly flop. Yeah, I got it.
There are moments when I just went down with the ship. I know.
It's like a proper belly flop.

Yeah, I got it.

There are moments when I'm watching a fight when somebody's not tapping,

and I just assume if they're not tapping,

it's because the hold isn't in properly.

Yeah, no, that was it.

That was it.

I'm writing it out.

So a rear naked choke, you would grab the bicep

and then hide the other hand behind the head,

but she switched it to a short choke.

So the way that you defend a rear naked is you would break that grip and then get rid of that one. But on the short choke, it's like the blades are crossed and you can't grab the hand to defend.
So it's pretty much cleaned out. She was as experienced at grappling as I was striking.
So if it stood up, I was going to knock her out. And if it went to the floor, it was like Conor versus Khabib.
I'm not saying. No, no, no.
But no, that's. Yeah, yeah.
Like it was, you know, Conor versus Khabib. Like stylistically.
It was very similar. Yeah.
You knew that once Conor went on the ground, it was going to be big time trouble for him. Yeah.
So what would you do, though, if it was an arm bar? Would you let your arm get broken? Probably. yeah.
Oh. Because, like, one thing to get, I mean, it's obviously badass.
I would have tapped when, like, you could make me tap by just looking at me. I'd be like, all right, I'm out.
But, like, the arm, if you're still conscious and you're like, I'm going to let my arm get broken, that's a different ball game. I've arm barred two Brazilians and their arm's hyper- hyper extended in the fight and they didn't tap.
Girls don't tap. They just...
So wait, who taps? Americans? No. No, no, no.
What I mean is... French men.
French men. Women have got more dexterity.
I'm actually built like a lad with how much muscle I have, but men don don't bend as much. Like their arm will probably stop there.
Right, too many bicep curls. That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, too much, yeah, nothing shuffle. Yeah, like you watch, I'm not saying women don't tap, but men will predominantly get more knockouts.
Do you know what I mean? Right, with taps. Yeah, and girls just tend to just fucking hold on in there there like we're not supposed to be here doing this so you have to kind of try and defy the odds all the time okay so weird question and we had this debate uh it was I don't know maybe a couple months ago because there was a video that that went viral of these two guys fighting in the street and one of them tried to tap and he was like why didn't you respect the tap I feel like you should respect the tap even in a street fight right yeah i mean like if you watch gypsies and travelers in england like bare knuckle boxing when one gets hit like um everyone has to move away and wait till he's standing up and they say are you bet are you like are you beaten and if they if they say yeah, then that's it.

Yeah, there's some honor to it.

Yeah, but life's not like that anymore, is it?

Everyone's going out fucking stabbing people.

Yeah, I feel like they should be able to tap at any point.

I think the problem is if somebody is about to get tapped in a street fight,

they're more likely, if you let them go,

if they have a weapon, at that point they'll be so emasculated

that they'll pull the weapon out and then you're fucked because you let them up up 100 i just fucking kicked them in the teeth and choke them out put them to sleep put them in the recovery position and then run away so so when you get into the ring when you get into the octagon are you thinking to yourself do you get into war mode are you like i want to kill this person because i was talking uh when we were watching the boxing match last week and you see fighters at the top game, especially in boxing, but I assume it applies to MMA. When they get into a fight, it's hard to tell if they have that same rage that most people have when they get into an altercation or a fight or if at the top level it's more about, like, okay, you've been here before, you're becoming a technician.
I feel like it's horses for courses. So some people will be more methodical and have a more measured approach.
And then some people are all out chaos and just want to fight. I know if I have the mindset of you've only got to watch me out of weighing or watch me when they say my name, the way that I look at them and I'm screaming, is my fucking house like i'm gonna fucking end you like i have to that's how i go to that place in my mind where i'm not gonna get beat i have to think i've got a fucking killer here now obviously i'm not trying to kill her but in my mind if the shoe was on the other foot if that girl in my last fight could elbow me and done that to me she would have i don't think I've ever been in a fight with someone and they haven't, apart from maybe Jillian, and they haven't done something that's worthy of, like a pointy deduction or cheating.
Everyone pulls me here, puts their eyes, puts their fingers in me braids or just does. I can feel like they've got lotion on where they where they're all slippery and like do you know all shit like that and yeah or spits like the gummy out or does like shit or mad shit where that's just how they want to play yeah do you know what i mean yeah um so how'd you get your nickname do you know the sandwich shop subway yes so i was a sandwich artist there so when i was in college i like that you use the word artist and that Subway? Yes.
So I was a Sandwich artist there. So when I was in college...

I like that you use the word artist.

That's what you are.

Well, artiste.

Yes, yes, yes.

I used to do the night shift in Subway,

train in the morning at the gym,

and then go to college.

And that was like my life for a few years.

And Paul Rimmer, mine and Paddy's coach,

gave both of us our names, and they're possibly the best names, fight names in the whole of combat sport, I think. Yeah.
They're the most authentic and my mum calls me Meatball, like anyone down the street in Liverpool, what's happening in the Meatball? Anyone anyway. I was saying to Dave, or I think I was saying to you the other day, even in nightclubs in New York or on the subway hi me poor Molly that's just me and it's just stuck or it is Paddy the baddie it's not Patrick Pimbley right I mean I love it a good nickname goes a long way I mean that's that's branding yeah well I was just saying today on the subway when I move over to boxing after I finish MMA.
Oh, so is that the move? Yeah, 100%. Okay.
Yeah. Will I still be Meatball or will I have a new name? No, you have to be Meatball.
Yeah, it was she said. You can't turn your back on Meatball.
It got you this far. What, you think you're too good to be Meatball? No, what I didn't know, like the boxing fans are a different, they're different, do you know? Like, I don't know if they'll embrace a meatball, but fuck them anyway.
I think you get a knockout on your belt, and they'll call you whatever you want. They'll call you.
Yeah. So what's the transition going to be? I mean, you clearly have it somewhat planned in your head.
So I started doing amateur boxing when I was a kid, and my weight category didn't get added to the Olympic Games so I was caught in, you had three weight categories and I was caught there too big for this, too small for that so Katie Taylor's weight was added and she's like 135 and then 115 was added but I fight at 125 so it was just too much so that's when I stopped I went to college and then fell was added, but I fight at 125. So it was just too much.
Right. And so that's when I stopped.
I went to college and then fell into MMA. And I've just always had it in me.
I would always come back. But I think I've spent nine years of my life.
I've won a world title the same as Paddy in Cage Warriors, but I feel like I need to touch the UFC belt. And I've said to the team, if there was ever a point where we didn't think that was possible, I wouldn't be doing MMA anymore because it's too hard.
And I'm not going to do something where I can't be the best in the world. So I don't believe I can't be the best in the world, but if that ever happens...
It happens, you're ready for boxing so so like realistically speaking how many fights away are you from touching the belt well i've got five wins inside the octagon so i only think like two or three more like i had a push like if i had two really really good wins i need this next fight to be a win and i need to fight a ranked opponent. And I'd see like a move to match room because Dana's really good friends with Eddie and Eddie here in that match room.
And then now Eddie would sign me in a heartbeat because I could sell out arenas in England. Yeah.
And then the family connection with Katie Taylor, it's just all's all there is yeah so yeah so who like how is that shaping up right now in your division in UFC are there people that you think right now you could take like without coming across arrogant I feel as if I could beat everyone I'm not saying some fights would be some fight to be lot easier than others. And some fights I'd have to go into the trenches like stylistically because of it wouldn't...
I'm five foot three and as wide as I am tall. Do you know? So these girls are like...
Meepaw. Yeah, exactly.
These girls are five, seven, five,", and fucking stick thin, but trying to get past them big knees and them kicks and them punches is hard. But what they lack sometimes is a big bit of strength for their cardio that then comes down, whereas mine will keep pushing and that kind of thing.
And I just have to have the Mike Tyson mentality or the Daniel Cormier mentality of think how small they were and how they had to fuck the biggest, baddest men on the planet. Yeah.
I just take that in and like, if you're not, Shevchenko's untouchable, but if you don't think that you can beat them, then why the fuck are you here? Yeah. So I just think she could give me a fucking pasting, but I could give her one too.
Right. You could beat anyone.
I've really shown in the last two fights my evolution as a fighter. The one last September, I fought a game of a 10-inch reach advantage with my whole career on the line and absolutely fucked her with a broken hand

and a torn LCL

and miney. And then that last fight

fucking nearly killed the girl.

With the elbow, yeah.

With the elbow, so

the trajectory is this.

Yeah.

My head isn't in the clouds.

I'm right down there.

Mine and Paddy's company

keeps us grounded. We don't believe

Thank you. my head isn't in the clouds like I'm right down there mine and Paddy's company keeps us grounded we don't believe I don't even believe the internet and all these kinds of podcasts and things don't really mean too much to me we've been saying you can't do it do you like those? I'll come and shave that fucking hair off your head in a minute do you like that? do you like when people doubt you yeah alright we'll do that for you promise yeah yeah not too much no you're small you're too small yeah if you fight these top of the line fighters that have that reach advantage you know it's one thing to do it against somebody that's not ranked in the top four but like top of the line like Shevchenko if you want to get inside not only do you have to deal with her on the way in but then when you go out you have to deal with her punching you on yeah i don't think that you have the stamina for that yeah no i don't think so either i'm the one who's landed the most significant strikes in our division stats don't win fights is it true you got a metal plate put into your elbows.
Is that true? I heard that.

In both.

You were talking about like Is it true you got a metal plate put into your elbows?

Is that true? I heard that. In both, yeah.
Yeah, you were talking about the lotion. Was that maybe rubbing off from you? Sounds like you know it a little too well, yeah.
I know, yeah. Huh, huh.
What are the chances? We'll doubt you. We've got no problem.
We're actually very good at that. Some of our most successful friends are there because we said that they suck.
Yeah. Well, I just like to be the underdog.
I feel like if you have seen any tape on me or documentaries on me, my whole life is just kind of being like an uphill battle. And when you're used to doing that from like this big, then it's just normal.
I just think you should respect the monarchy a little bit more. You get to fuck.
Do you think's weird that like americans are kind of obsessed with it um a little bit because not many people have it so it's quite like um it's nice in in that part but when you think about everything that they've done and the the commonwealth and how they i always say the words wrong colonialized yeah the world and like raped and pillaged the world to own most of it i don't know i just don't really like that and i think we've got a lot my country has a lot to answer for the same as yours does for the state of systemic racism and like like all kinds of things like that and i'm just not a fan of we were talking were talking about the monarchy, okay? I know, but that's what happens.

Leave us out of it.

And I'll use a fucking master.

We only did it because you guys

were like taught our parents.

A father like son.

We're going to set your colony up.

You told us, yeah.

Okay, hey, why are you doing,

who taught you to subjugate

the poor people over there?

Yeah, but what about then

when you kicked us out

to the Boston Tea Party

and all that,

which you never let me

fucking live down

whenever I come to America?

Yeah, we're one and O. Lifetime against you.
You got the belt. 1812 was kind of tied.
Yeah I went the distance. Went to the cards.
It is weird though like everyone like you know there's obviously a lot of the show what was it the what was the show called? The Queen? No The Monarch? What's the Netflix show? What's the show? The Crown. The Crown.
Like there's a lot like you nearly fall in love with this yeah it's very bizarre to me because you you see maybe the positive parts and like they're humanized do you know what i mean like yeah like you feel for like the queen for a minute because you think oh fuck and then you you feel oh well prince charles really didn't Diana and all this shit. And then you just think, oh, yous are all a fucking gang.
What the hell? Yeah, you guys have, listen, we do things the right way. You guys have the monarch.
We have the Kardashians. Okay.
Good, upstanding people. Well, yeah.
I have the best. We elect our leaders freely and fairly.
You just have to go to either Harvard or Yale and have a dad that also went there and is mega rich. Yeah.
That's how we do it. But did you know that the queen owns every mute swan in the world? I did, yeah.
You should kill a mute swan. No, because that's treason.
Oh. That's what it's called, isn't it? They'll hang you in treason? I don't think they'll hang you anymore, but you will definitely go to prison for that.
And what else does she own? She owns corgis. Corgis.
Oh, corgis. I like corgis, though.
They're cute. She doesn't own them all, but she likes them.
Yeah. It is weird that we know this one random old lady that lives on an island that we'll never meet.
We know her favorite dog. Yeah, well, the madness is, I was saying to quite a lot of you, we're not taught about world history very much.
It's the same as you Americans. We're only taught taught about the things we win it's very rarely the things that we lost on our name and i was saying to to ellis kids in england will know more states in america than they will counties in the uk really so like the countries broke down into counties and then in the county is a city.
So it's like a state.

It's just a different.

Yeah.

I always assumed that in England you were taught about America like, you know, New York City because that's where all like cop TV shows are filmed.

You know, Texas, because that's where cowboys live.

And then all of California, it's a movie star.

Yeah.

And Michael Jordan.

And Michael Jordan.

Well, I don't know.

We were kids

and everything was glamorized to us with you guys

and everything was bigger and better.

Everyone in England always wanted the American dream.

Do you know what I mean?

And I was saying to Ellis, like,

I remember coming to,

the first time I came to America I was 12.

It was like September the 11th, 2002.

So it was the first anniversary

and I remember coming to

International Drive in Florida

and I was there for two weeks and I was just like what

could you imagine being like a mini meatball

like it was like a baby six inch

it was like a baby six inch sub

and I was just like going around

Universal on the Hulk ride

and fucking walking down the street

and then there's like Spiderman

and I was like wow

and I was like this is fucking awesome and then um i came back again when i was 19 to work i was a soccer coach in virginia and i got to see like all of the east coast and i always remember the first time i came to new york i got a greyhhound from DC up and it was like four o'clock in the morning

by the time I got here.

And it must have been like a Tuesday or a Wednesday,

but like the streets were dead

and all there was was like the odd yellow car

because Ubers wasn't around then.

Instagram wasn't even a thing,

it was just Facebook.

And I just remember looking

and I think Empire State of Mind song

had just come out,

like that album for Jay-Z had just been released and I just remember thinking, fucking hell, this really is amazing. And then I went to Las Vegas and I was like, this is not a bit of me.
I was like, get me back to New York. But then coming back this time, it's quite tough because I feel like the pandemic has really had its way with Manhattan and it's like it's really sad because i've seen more of the the rest of new york like we've spent quite a lot of time in brooklyn and like the other parts but i feel like manhattan was where the dream once was and i don't know if it's there anymore yeah it's definitely the vibe has definitely changed a little bit just because i mean it yeah like everyone's money that's fair.
Like, everyone's money. Like, no one has got the money.
It's the same in England. Like, so many independent businesses are fucked from it.
But everyone's time, it comes around again. Do you know what I mean? So there'd be a resurgence.
But it was so nice to see different parts. I think we was in Chelsea and Soho.
Yeah. We got to, like, obviously, I'm gay and I got to go to the Stonewall Inn where Pride started yesterday.
Yeah, it's a very historical place. Yeah, and it was like, it was really great to see that kind of thing and do my first pizza review yesterday.
Oh, you did? Yeah, Bleaker Street Pizza. Wait, you did it with Dave or no? No, I was just drunk and done it myself.
What was the score? It was Bleaker Street. Was it John's Bleaker or was it just the Bleaker Street one? It was just Bleaker Street, wasn't it? You got a slice? I got a slice.
What was the score? It was Bleecker Street. Was it John's Bleecker or was it just the Bleecker Street one?

It was just Bleecker Street,

wasn't it?

You got a slice?

I got a slice.

What was the score?

It was 8.6,

but I was really, really drunk.

Not a rookie score.

No, I was really, really drunk,

but the only downfall

was it was really floppy.

But apart from that.

New York flop, yeah.

They're giant slices there.

Massive.

They're huge.

And then Kevin Bacon

walked in.

Oh, yeah.

New York resident.

I know.

Full time. The ghost man.
Where are the best crowds that you've seen? All the places you've fought. Boston.
Greenville. In South Carolina.
Yeah. And I don't think you ever beat London.
That one that you watched. Yeah it was incredible incredible.
I'm not going to lie to you yet. I've been to so many events.
And I feel like Brazil and maybe England, because we have a massive soccer culture or football culture back home, everyone chants and sings a lot. And it's not just like, let's go, meatball.
Do you know, like a very American show. It's like, we've got songs and the atmosphere.
When I walked out, I just was like, fucking hell. Meatball, you need to go and put the show of your life on because it costs a lot.
No one always thinks about the price and when you're a working class person, the tickets were like, people were like remortgaging houses to go and then you gotta put on a show and then like an alcoholic beverage is about twenty dollars do you know what i mean and it's just yeah it all adds up it's about a grand just for fucking five hours of fight so i feel like you must match that always yeah i mean that's great i mean that's all fans want is for you know to because you you go to a fight and there'll be times when when the fighters you know the fight game's hard because there's sometimes there's cards and there's nothing you can do about it and people don't really understand that but there's other times where it's like oh that fight sucked because those those fighters didn't really want to throw hands and they were you know more defensive so you're you're the people's champ that's what they say yeah do you have a song that's written about you i think i do actually yeah um i've been sent a few whilst i've been in america but i've just been like fuck just let me just go and enjoy myself like life since landing in new york hasn't stopped it was only Monday. I literally slept about 18 hours because I've been doing media training.
Drinking. Drinking and dancing.
I've been doing 3,000 calories in a club in five hours on the dance floor. That's more than I've done when I ran a marathon.
That's amazing. What is your training like?

Here.

Yeah.

Just dancing.

Just dancing, really.

Just go out.

No, I'm going to Phoenix tomorrow for three days.

I've got three days worth of training in the lab with Courtney Casey and with Dean Thomas.

I'm just going to say hello.

And then in San Diego, I've got about nine days of training with Jay Flo and a few of

the fighters from right here. Paddy will be there, yeah.
Me yeah me and Paddy I'm gonna be living with him from tomorrow oh okay so like all right yeah you guys get along always yeah yeah like we have got a really good relationship by name we've done this since before we were world champions and we've done this before the losses and we've done this before the highs and we've said this from the beginning when me and him fight it's always different like back in the day in liverpool we'd sell six seven thousand tickets together and like you have some pro boxing cards that could never could never ever sell that many tickets and you listen to the crowd when we fight it's just it's a different ball game but it's just because we're so different i suppose and um only we know what it's like to be living through what we're living through yeah and like my girlfriend and his fiance really get on so and our coach ellis and his like baby mum micha, we've got a good, strong little six of us,

and it's good.

There's no jealousy.

There's no, what about me?

It's like, go on, go on.

That's awesome.

Even when I win a fight, I'm singing his name

in my post-fight interview, do you know what I mean?

Yeah, and it's great that both of you are with us at Barstool.

Are you close enough to him to be able to comfortably say, hey, Paddy, I love you. You got to do something about the hair.
I really love his hair, but I do tell him if he's wearing shit trainees or why are you wearing that top, lad? You've got loads of money. Go and buy a new one, but he won't.
It's just the way that he is. It's just who he is.
That's funny. I love that about him.
He's a minge bag. He's a m minge bag that's what i like about you and what i like about patty is you guys are you seem like you're the most down-to-earth people in the authentic yeah very authentic i just don't think we're scared about being who we are and i think it takes a person who's courageous to be like unapologetically true to them and i don't know we just try and be the best as we can and represent where we're from and bring everyone with us and that's it do you know what i mean yeah yeah um all right so i had one last question it's the rowback question you guys can uh we have some shirts if you want qzips polos r-h-o-b-a-c-k.com use code take for 20 off your first purchase do you want dana white is a big listener of this show, long-time recurring guest.
Do you want to call someone out? Well, I've got someone on July 23rd, so I'll fuck that one first. Okay.
And then we'll go from there. Okay.
But, Dana, let's get super boxing going in a few years. Why not? Yeah.
Okay. So it's interesting.
When you're talking about making the transition to boxing you're a striker in the ufc you're you are known for throwing some hard punches what's the difference between being an excellent striker in mma and then being good enough at striking to be a boxer when i box and spar and this is a hand on heart i fight totally different when i box than how i do when when I'm in the MMA cage. I'm not fighting someone who's fucking five foot eight who cuts 20 pounds on fight week.
Like, boxers just make weight different. So everyone's built like me and is my size.
So the fight is a lot easier. I shouldn't say a lot easier.
It's just a lot easier to overcome just hands instead of knees and kicks and elbows. Right.
And striking within MMA, it took me until the last two fights to realise striking for MMA and how to do that efficiently. Because you're trying to build too much of a style.
And then what we did is we just sat me down and when I'm under pressure we see what I respond with and then we see my opponent and see how we can just chain a little pattern to to be able to beat them instead of being like be more like this be more like this be more like this so but that was just where I came into the game really late so it was like i don't know nine fights i had in total to get to the ufc so like i've learned a lot on the job yeah all right so july 23rd and we'll be watching me and patrick will be on you and patty yep love it and uh we appreciate you coming on this has been a lot of fun happy birthday for Literally your birthday. Try not to throw any elbows at anyone tonight.
I don't know. We're going to a gig.
We're going to watch an English rapper called Dave. Okay.
So it's already getting sharp. I told the story on Monday's show that, like I said, I was like, I don't know if I'm rooting for Liam Smith, and you threw an elbow right in my chest.
I was like, fuck. And I was like, oh.
I know, but he was a scouser. He was from the forebill.
And you could tell. Yeah, I know.
It was just different. Couldn't you tell? Yeah, you could.
You could. You absolutely could.
And you predicted that fight perfectly. You're like, oh, he'll, he's a slow start, but he'll start to just absolutely kill him later in the fight.
All right. Thank you so much, Molly.
Appreciate it. No problem, guys.
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Let's go. Thank God.
I was a little nervous. Took that earlier in the show.
But sneezing in public has got to be like the most awkward. Oh, it's so taboo now.
And it always was taboo. But it's really.
Sneezing when you're driving, I think, is super dangerous. Like, I don't know what the stats are.
And they probably't be able to figure out like the cause of death because, you know, they're probably driving by themselves. But people probably die sneezing on the road.
Like, it's a very dangerous thing. And sneezing, I sneezed.
I was on the train and I get these like sneezing spurts where I sneeze like five times in a row. And you guys know my sneeze a little bit loud.
And it's just so awkward. Like, it's just so like unless you have a handkerchief, which I i didn't have one like you're just sneezing into your like sweatshirt it's gross or your hands which is gross and but there's nothing you can do yeah like you can try to hold it in but when you have allergies like i've had allergies this past couple days there's nothing you can't do the pineapple thing you can't do the like look up or whatever it's the pineapple thing you think about pineapple you just say pineapple you just say pineapple.
Yeah. You say pineapple.
I thought you thought about pineapple. No, I think if you say pineapple, it stops you from sneezing.
Oh, I thought I was thinking about pineapple. That's very weird.
I think it's a Pete and repeat thing. Is it? It's a throwback show, yeah.
No, the adventures of Pete and Pete. Pete and Pete, yeah.
Pete and repeat. If you have a mask, you can put the mask on, and then the mask becomes your handkerchief.
Didn't have a mask. So you were just sneezing, raw dog and sneezes in everyone's face.
Yeah, it was fucking awkward. No, that is taboo.
That's a lot of people's fire fest, I'm sure. It was like I was sitting next to Hank Lockwood on the train.
It wasn't a busy train, thankfully, but it was still, you know. Oh, you had some people who were like, kill this man.
yeah but i would say even pre-covid it's still like one of the more awkward things you can do how many how many people do you think use allergies as just a cover for being sick i feel like every time i'm like are you sick there's like allergies well i i know when i'm sick but like i don't when i'm sick i don't sneeze 500 times in two days right isn't being sick just like being allergic to a certain germ, too? Yeah. So I guess it's true.
It's always allergies. But you know people do that all the time.
Yeah, and there are people that are like, pollen's bad. And I'm always like, oh, yeah, sure.
I never check the fucking pollen. Yeah, what are you talking about? We're in Greenland, sir.
No, but Hank, isn't there... So you were talking about the handkerchief, the people that carry around handkerchiefs.
I feel like I've never seen anybody below the age of 50 use a handkerchief. I would even say like 60.
It honestly seems like the grossest thing ever to just have a piece of cloth that you carry around that you just put your snot on and then you put it back in your pocket. It's literally before Kleenex were invented.
Yeah. Yeah.
You're holding on. You're holding on.
But then this morning, I guess what if you don't have a mask

and you don't have a handkerchief?

You're just sneezing everywhere.

Right.

Yeah.

It's brutal.

All right.

You better not sneeze around me.

Like I'll Vince McMahon you.

Yeah, no promises.

Imagine if you were around Vince McMahon right now.

He would actually have you dead.

I'd have to leave.

I'd have to excuse myself.

Yes.

All right.

PFT, your Fyre Fest?

Yeah.

My Fyre Fest is, so my 11-year-old plays travel baseball. So we had a travel baseball tournament.
First of all, most umpires I get along with at this point. Wait, what level? It's high-level travel baseball.
Where is this? Well, it was in the Nashville area, and a huge percentage of them, not surprisingly, in the Nashville area either listen to or currently listen to our show.

So if you're an umpire right now and you're listening, odds are I'm going to get along with you fine.

So here's what happened.

Do you get along with umpires generally?

I get along fine with umpires.

Most of them are listeners to my show.

It's very successful.

Wait, can I ask another question?

So here's what happened in this scenario.

Is your son a good hitter?

My son's a great hitter.

My son's a great hitter.

Here's what happened in this scenario.

Playing an early morning Sunday game, supposed to start at 945, play the first half inning. The umpire at home play disappears.
What? I've never seen this happen before. He had to go to the bathroom.
Oh. Shouldn't there be multiple umpires if it's such a high-level Little League game? It's just the one, and I've never seen this before.
He had to go to the bathroom. I feel like if it was as high-level as you say, there would be multiple umpires.
It's a good point. So he starts for like 10 minutes after the first half inning there's a 30 minute break no game going on before this by the way okay no game going on before oh so he could have gone to the bathroom before he could have gone to the bathroom 10 minutes in he decides he has to go to the bathroom 10 minutes and it's hot everyone's standing on the field everyone's waiting to go for the bathroom for like 10 minutes i've never seen that happen before every guy goes to the bathroom the bathroom for 10 minutes.
All right, you're going to the bathroom for 10 minutes. You're making everybody wait.
Better come back and do a decent job. He gets back almost immediately.
He stops the game because a kid has a little small gold necklace with a cross on it. And he's about to come up to bat.
And he makes the kid- Choking hazard. He makes the kid take the cross necklace off and go hand it to his mom.
This is probably why there's so many guns in our world, because religion is dead. So we're all standing around waiting on this guy who's gone to the bathroom, makes the kid take a gold cross off, all right? Wait, a necklace? It's a gold cross.
He made the kid take a gold cross off, all right? It's only a six-inning game, by the way. So the game, I think it's 3-2.
My 11-year-old is up to bat. 2-0 count.
Pitcher throws a ball. Their runner's on second and third.
Two outs. Basically a one-run game.
Pitch comes in. It's a ball.
Catcher pops up. Throws to third.
Ball gets to third with no issue. The runner, who's on third, gets back, has no issue at all.
He calls my son out for batter interference. What? So if you've ever been to a Little League game...
Wait, was he interfering? He calls my son out for battery interference, all right? So if you've ever been to a Little League game. Wait, was he interfering?

He calls my son out for batter interference, right?

If you've ever been to a Little League game, I've been to hundreds.

Yeah.

I've been to a lot of college and Major League Baseball games.

I've never seen this call.

See, that's, you know, PFT, like, I know you've been to a lot of games,

but I remember back in my day, like, that was a relatively common call. Hundreds.
I go to a lot of Major League Baseball games. Someone firing down to the third base guy to try and pick a guy off isn't super common.
But when that does happen, if a batter's in the batter's box or in the way of the catcher, that's not a crazy uncommon call, I'd say. The ball gets to third, not remotely close play.
Is there any chance that this ump doesn't like your son because he most likely has lice? The third base umpire called my son out for batter interference. 2-0 pitch.
The pitcher's about to make a 2-0 count. Runners on second and third.
One-run game. He ends the inning calling batter interference on my son, who's a right-handed batter, who's right there in the batter's box and doesn't even get in the way.
There's no issues. Calls him out for batter interference.
Ends the inning. I'm sitting behind home plate, all right? And by the way, on the other team, after this, calls two other kids because on foul balls, they let the bat go and started to run to first base.
Dangerous. Okay? He called two kids out for that.
So a six-inning game. He calls almost 10% of the batters out for violations.
He calls my son out. I say, you've got to be kidding me.
It's exactly what I said. You've got to be kidding me? I said, you've got to be kidding me.
No swear? I said, you've got to be kidding me. The umpire comes undone.
He rips the cap off his head. The inning's over.
And he's like, you can talk about this on the radio if you want, but you can't talk to me like this with me here. You're gone.
So he throws me out. So I'm sitting there, by the way, I'm with my dad and mom.
Wait, did you swear or not? Wait, Marlon's man was there? No, I forgot to mention I got kicked out. My dad and mom were right next to me.
And I thought you said you got to be fucking kidding. Yeah, listen, I said what I said.
The thing is you're getting paid. The kids aren't getting paid.
You should do as little as possible to actually influence the game. You've called three people out for violating rules.
I've never seen anybody called out for a little league. This is a tournament, by the way.
Okay? Yeah. So these are pretty good players? You know, it's not like it's low-level.
11-year-olds, yes. It's not like it's low-level little league.
I mean, it's fairly high-level little league. But you're getting paid.
You're professional. So you should, in my opinion, be held to professional standard if you're getting paid i don't care who the other people are you should be held to professional standard so another guy comes over like don't get into a big argument with him and look you can say oh you shouldn't have said you know whatever i react naturally like i would it's an unbelievable call it was unbelievable so i don't even know what this guy's name is as you can talk about on the radio show if you want and i don't care care who these boys' daddies are.
Like, screw you, dude, all right? You're a loser. You're a really crappy job.
So his supervisor comes on and says, just so you know, I need you to walk over. Can you watch from the sideline? Then I watched from the sideline.
Listen, you could have decided that the play went on a perfectly fine throw to third was made. Kids back safely.
So why are you calling the batter out on it? If you're so power hungry, you have to call the kids out for minor violations of the rule. And frankly, where there aren't even rule violations, because I guarantee if we sent the tape in to whoever this loser's boss is, they would say, yeah, he's in the wrong.
So it's like in the NFL. They send the tape and they say, yeah, we hold you accountable no matter how old the kids are, no matter how old the kids are playing.

That's the exact opposite of what an umpire should be doing.

So that's my Fyre Fest of the Week.

Wow.

I got kicked out of my son's Little League game.

Sounds like you're a hero.

How many people are going to listen to that and be like, we don't have any clue what's going on?

That kid, that umpire, he should lose his job. Yeah,ed.
I mean, yeah, you got paid to be an umpire. You should be professional.
You could do your job. No one does a self-own, not self-own, quite like Clay.
Well, the funniest, I was saying it like him and Ravel are enemies, but they're actually the same people. Oh, yeah.
They self-own more than anyone. Yes.

It just made me immediately think about the fact that he willingly was like,

they didn't let me on a plane because my kids had lice.

I just openly gave that up to everyone.

Yeah.

Not only did that happen, but he wrote like 3,000 words about it,

about his kid having lice.

And honestly, if you read that, most people's reaction was, wow, good job by the airline not letting somebody with lice sit in one of their seats. But it's just three generations of his family watching him getting kicked out of a Little League game.
I don't care how bad an ump is in a Little League game. If you get kicked out of a Little League game, it says so much more about you than anyone else.
Yeah, that's a fair point, Hank. It was fairly high level.

It was a tournament.

And his son was hitting well.

And he was like, I have good relationships with umpires.

Why are you as a fan having any relationship with any umpire at any level?

Like, you're not a coach.

That's a great point, Hank.

If you were an opposing parent who also had a radio show,

and you saw that Clay Travis was out here bragging about the relationship he had

with these umpires and how he's got a good relationship,

you would probably want to go on your own radio show

to say how that's bullshit that Clay's influencing the umpires.

He is.

He also had a great spin zone the next day on Twitter

when everyone was dunking on him.

He was like, oh, this is the blue checkmark McGree

are triggered and outraged at these backs. He's like, no.
Nothing to do about politics. This is just as basic as it gets.
You just sat and bragged about getting kicked out of a Little League game. When people are mad, that's how you know that you're over the target.
And thought that everyone would be like, oh, my God, you're right. That umpire sucks.
Like, what? You've got to be fucking kidding me. You have to tell us that the umpire struck a child for us to be like, yeah, you know what? Good job.
Like, umpires have a shitty job. Dude, it sucks.
The guy had diarrhea from partying too much the night before. He was out in the sun, you know, umpiring all these kids that are probably not good at baseball because they're 11.

And he probably thought he was going to be able to make it through the game.

And then after the first half inning, he was like, no, I might as well just do this now

because I'm not making it six innings.

You know how embarrassing that would be too for the umpire to have to like pause the entire

game and then leave and then be on the toilet for 30 minutes.

Yeah.

You're like, everybody knows I'm shitting right now.

You can't even hide that.

Also breaking news, Ryan Fitzpatrick just retired. Oh,

damn. He'll be back.

Yeah, probably. That's not a real retirement.

No chance. Halfway through the season, somebody gets

hurt. No chance.
He'll be back. No chance.

Alright, my Fyre Fest, I actually

it's a pre-Fyre Fest. My

son's graduation, I'm putting it in quotes

because it's, how do you graduate from being

two years old? But they invited

me to the graduation and they're like, speech? No, I'm but they were commencement there's yeah the commencement speech no it was very funny because in the email it was like please make sure they're up to date on mr son mr son mr golden son and so i think that's all they're going to do for their graduation but i'm gonna cry for sure do you know the song i do i won't be singing i think it's them the kids have to sing oh but you have to make sure he's up to date yeah they were like they were like here's his homework yeah so you have to know he doesn't know any of the words no he he is my son because every time we i asked him to do something he doesn't want to do he just says i'll do it tomorrow so it's like it's yeah i mean i'm looking in the mirror father son yeah yeah it's like this is that you can't be mad at you. You're actually smarter than me.
You figured out this life hack at two – you know, almost three years old that you just keep saying tomorrow and tomorrow will never come. So as far as the graduation goes, he's literally graduating to being three.
Yes. I was shocked when I got the email, but I'm going to be going to the graduation and I'm sure like it's an absolutely ridiculous thing on paper.

And then I know the minute I step in the white lines, I will be crying.

Yeah.

That's cool though.

I feel like, I feel like most parents are crying that type of situation.

I mean, there's nothing I can do.

I'm going to cry.

I'm going to cry, but it is a total, a total.

Like I saw the invite on our countertop that said graduation.

I was like, what is he graduating from?

He's not even in school

yeah it's just three hours a day by the time you get there you're just gonna be like inside your

own mind you're gonna be hearing the song landslide yes yes you're gonna turn into a fucking no probably cats in the cradle thanks hank remember that i'll never forget it we have we have a great All right, numbers.

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26.

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Banner 18.

I'm going to go 19. 69.
No, 61. That would have been awesome.
Do a fake Billy fact. Oh.
Yeah? I don't think Billy will hear this. Someone sent me a Reddit thread that was like, post your most fun animal fact.
And I want to start tracking how consistently Billy's are choosing. Do you have the thread? I'll find it for next week.
I'll send it to you guys.

Also, my second firefest of the week

is I got mistaken for a woman again.

Still got it.

Love you guys.

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