Richard Jefferson, Meatball Molly + Celtics Win Game 1 With An Insane 4th Quarter

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, game one of the NBA Finals. What a fourth quarter by the Celtics.
We're going to recap that. It is old school.
Me, PFT, Hank, and Bubba, just the four of us in the room.

Speaker 1 The other guys are up doing the PLL stuff in Albany. We have Richard Jefferson on the show.
We have Meatball Molly, which Molly the Meatball, which was an awesome interview. Great show coming for you.

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Speaker 1 June, June 3rd. Gemini.
June 3rd. And holy fuck, the Boston Celtics just laid a whoopass on the Warriors in that fourth quarter.
Hank, only, I mean, you have, go ahead, you're the star of the show.

Speaker 1 You were dead. You were dead.
Then PFT brought you back to life with washed Oreos. And how are you feeling? I'm absolutely elated.
I'm floating on Cloud9. I really don't even believe what happened.

Speaker 1 I was so down. I was starting to not even watch the game, covering my ears with my hands because I just couldn't watch anymore.

Speaker 1 And then PFT, my savior, my guardian angel, came over and he said, here, have an Oreo. And he handed it out to me and they said, wait, took out his water.
He said, Let me, you know,

Speaker 1 moisten it up.

Speaker 1 He washed it. Now, Hank.
He handed it to me, and it just hit the spot.

Speaker 4 And then the Celtics flipped the switch and just dominated. I put some stank on that Oreo for you, too.
Extra water. No, Hank was dead.
You chained it. Hank was passed out on the couch.

Speaker 4 He looked like he was getting the spins. He looked like he was bringing back planking.
And I came back and I thought, our dear boy, what has happened? What have they done to my boy?

Speaker 4 And it was good to see Rushman. I actually looked up the score since the washed Oreo.
The Celtics went on a 54-28 run.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was nuts. 40-16 in the fourth quarter.
It was, I mean, the Warriors. After like a crazy third quarter where the Warriors were like 39-14.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the Warriors felt like they had everything going. Steph Curry was incredible.
First quarter hit six threes, which is, I think, a tied a record for a quarter.

Speaker 1 And it looked like it was going to be the Warriors night. And then the Celtics came out in the fourth, could not miss.
They started seven for seven from three. Al Horford, Derek White,

Speaker 1 who else, I mean, Peyton Pritchard, they were just hitting everything, and their defense was incredible. Like, they completely locked down the Warriors.
The Warriors couldn't do anything.

Speaker 1 I have a little

Speaker 1 question, I have a question for you, Hank, a little subtle thing that Ime Udoka did going into the fourth quarter. Did you realize that Marcus Smart didn't check back into the fourth quarter?

Speaker 1 till there was 347 left?

Speaker 1 He basically was like, we're going to come back, but we have to do it as a team, not with one guy. And it worked.
Like they played team ball.

Speaker 1 And also, I don't understand what the Warriors were doing where Peyton Pritchard was on Steph Curry because Marcus Smart was on the bench and they didn't attack Peyton Pritchard the entire fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 It was crazy. Like they, they just didn't.
I don't know why they didn't attack him.

Speaker 1 But they basically let them have Marcus Smart on the bench because he's obviously the best perimeter defender. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, Marcus Smart on the bench just chomping at the bit. I feel like that's not a bad coaching strategy for a guy like Marcus Smart.

Speaker 4 Like have him on leash and you're like, hey, all right, sick him. And then let him loose like a dog and let him out there and let him go out there and fuck shit up.

Speaker 1 And that probably wasn't like the plan. He probably wasn't like, oh, we got to keep Marcus Smart on the bench.
He probably was saying, we started the fourth quarter. Look how good we're playing.

Speaker 1 Let's not mess this up. It's nobody moves.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 4 Like, whatever's going on right now, we're going to keep this as is.

Speaker 1 It works.

Speaker 4 But it's also, it's cool to see Marcus when he jumps off the bench because he does provide that spark. And when you leave him in too long, I feel like it becomes too much, Marcus.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It was a crazy game.

Speaker 1 I'm equally as stunned because.

Speaker 1 And Jason Tatum played horribly. Yeah, he did.
He did. And I know that, like, and Steph Curry played great, and I know that will be the storyline.
Now, obviously, the Celtics head.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk to Richard Jefferson. He's going to explain.
He actually kind of predicted this, which is a great interview,

Speaker 1 that you need those guys like Derek White and Al Horford to step up. And they did.
And it was crazy.

Speaker 4 He also predicted, we'll save it for later, but the way that

Speaker 4 Richard Jefferson, the record will show he was correct when we interviewed him earlier today. Hank, you got to be feeling good.

Speaker 4 Billy, so we were saying earlier that Billy is probably feeling pretty good because Jason Tatum didn't play that well tonight.

Speaker 4 I actually think it's bad for Billy because they won this game, and that's just game one.

Speaker 4 If they do end up winning, they're probably going to win some of those games because Jason Tatum plays well, and they're probably going to give the MVP to Jason Tatum if that happens.

Speaker 4 Hank, it was a game of quarters, as it always is for these Celtics.

Speaker 1 Odd quarters. Yeah, 2-2.

Speaker 4 It was 2-2.

Speaker 1 It was 2-2 going into the Celtics. 2-2.
Odd quarters bad. Even quarters good.
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I love it.

Speaker 4 But you got to be feeling.

Speaker 1 That's the old, now it's last series. What's the series?

Speaker 4 You got to feel confident, though. Like, this was a game that

Speaker 4 if you won this one.

Speaker 1 Some were saying it was a must-win for the Warriors. Yeah.
I actually believe that.

Speaker 1 I said that when the Celtics were down like 15 and you were buried in the couch, had given up. I did.
I hadn't given up. I just went a bit.
You were.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you can't watch.

Speaker 4 You're neck deep in that game. You're watching someone die.

Speaker 1 You don't want to watch that. But you know, the NBA is like, it's all swing.
I know once they swung out, I swung back. I did think that this was a must-win for the Warriors.
I really did. Because

Speaker 1 the rest, you know. So now they're done.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they might be done.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, if you said it was a must-win and they didn't win,

Speaker 4 I think they might be done. Next game is a can't lose.

Speaker 1 I really do think that the way they lost this and the fact that the Celtics...

Speaker 1 The way the Celtics, like, I know that they're shot making, like, that's the thing is, like, you could play the game, Jason Tatum had a bad game.

Speaker 1 I don't think the celtics will also go seven for seven to to start the fourth quarter from three every game but what the celtics can rely on and what they do better than anyone else is they lock down on defense and that was like you know it's like um complimentary football like when they start locking down on defense then they start getting easier shots on offense and it just avalanched on the warriors and i could be wrong but i do feel like the you know they've been playing up the narrative the warriors have so much experience and the celtics have none that kind of goes out the door after the first game like the if you had if the Celtics had like pregame jitters and it's their first finals and they're nervous, like, I don't think that carries over after the first game.

Speaker 1 Like, all those feelings are probably out, and they realize now it's like, all right, it's a regular series. Like, you know, next game's a regular game.

Speaker 1 I do think Jason Tatum.

Speaker 4 No, I think Jason Tatum, I think he was nervous going to this game. No, he wasn't nervous.

Speaker 1 You could tell if he wasn't. Yeah, you could tell.

Speaker 1 Yeah, oh, they're totally out because he doesn't have to do it all himself.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he was super uncomfortable in the first quarter. And Steph Curry, you saw he was obviously experienced.
I think every time Steph Curry breaks a record now,

Speaker 1 he's breaking an old Steph Curry record.

Speaker 4 That's like the level that he's achieved as a shooter right now. He broke his own record for most threes made in a quarter of an NBA Finals game in the first quarter.

Speaker 4 And then Ryan Crasillo had the under.

Speaker 1 And he didn't score in the same.

Speaker 4 Maybe that's the playbook. Let Steph go off in the first quarter.
Let him tire his shooting arm out. And then at the end of the quarter, I think he threw up that like 70-footer.

Speaker 4 Second quarter, he was fatigued, and the scoring goes downhill.

Speaker 1 I also think there's a chance Ime's greatest coaching move was having them not play defense on Steph Curry in the first quarter. Yeah, they didn't.

Speaker 1 So that way, once he was taking shots that were contested,

Speaker 1 it was rattling.

Speaker 1 Yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's smart.

Speaker 1 That's actually genius because there were a few moments where it was like, oh, you should guard Steph Curry.

Speaker 4 And no one was there. That's what Brad Stevens had cooked up today.
Yeah. He was like, we're going to throw a real wrinkle at him.
We're going to rope a dope him.

Speaker 1 You got to be feeling sky high, though.

Speaker 1 I can't believe it. So the way it all flipped, the way it went, because it wasn't even a gradual

Speaker 1 flip. It was dead to domination.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 In a five-minute basically period.

Speaker 4 The Warriors look dejected.

Speaker 1 Because the Celtics have had those quarters throughout the entire playoffs where it's like they just fucking drop the ball 39 to 14, lose all the momentum, lose the game.

Speaker 1 And it's like they played well the other three quarters, but they had that one letdown quarter. And then, boom, they actually just out-quarter the Warriors.

Speaker 1 They out-quartered him.

Speaker 4 They drawn and quartered him.

Speaker 1 He thought 39-14 was good. Yeah.
I thought it was 39-14.

Speaker 4 Also, credit to Big Al. Al Horford.

Speaker 1 I mean, what a game.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 he has the most playoff games ever played without playing in an NBA Finals until this year. And this was

Speaker 1 24.

Speaker 4 This was Big Al's moment. You could tell, like, he's been...
Al Horford had been preparing for this moment his entire life, and he went out there and he delivered.

Speaker 4 And it's also fun to see him occasionally get the ball in the open court because sometimes he forgets that

Speaker 4 he's not a point guard anymore. But there were like three or four fast breaks where he tried to run the point.
And it's very funny. It's like watching a deer trying to ice skate.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he finished uh six for eight from three

Speaker 1 and uh with 26 points nine for 12 from the field that's the thing is like i don't know what the i don't know what the warriors fix is on defense you just hope that the like the celtics shot 51 from three it was insane has there been a solid offensive player that has gone downhill as much as draymond grande no he i i we were talking about it like he used to in 2015 16 he shot 39 from three and he was taking three a game so it wasn't like he was just taking like one one a game.

Speaker 1 And I don't know if I think he had a couple injuries, his shoulder injury, but it's just nothing. Like his offensive game, he's a non-factor offensively.

Speaker 4 I can't wait to hear his podcast. I want to hear what he says about this because he had a couple shots that were just like, it didn't look like he knew how to shoot a three.
And you're right.

Speaker 4 Back in 2015, 2016, he was a good third option for the Warriors.

Speaker 4 He's actually what made those early Warriors teams so great because you could have like Steph Curry have an off night. Clay Thompson would step up for him.

Speaker 4 and then Draymond would be there to hit like three or four threes a game. And it was, you there was no way to defend that.

Speaker 4 Because if you have two great players, occasionally you'll run into them when they're playing against other good teams that know how to defend.

Speaker 4 You'll run into games where they both are kind of either average or one has a really bad game, but having him as the third option was such a luxury for him.

Speaker 4 And now it just looks like he's allergic to the ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Hold on.
I'm looking it up because I just, I remember in game seven, which we're going to talk to Richard Jefferson about, another plug.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was in game seven against the Warriors, or I I mean against the Cavs in 2016 when the Cavs won.

Speaker 1 He scored 32 points and was six for eight from three. Yeah.
Like he was a legitimate option.

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Speaker 1 She just signs them off in the funniest ways. Yeah, like she says, says be great.

Speaker 1 Be great. She said a few times.
One time it was like a Friday, and we're like, oh, we'll talk, you know, we'll figure it out Monday. And she's like, be great, Hank, go get that pussy.

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Speaker 1 Yeah, going to be a great interview. All right, so Hank,

Speaker 1 I actually do think the Warriors, like, they can't lose game two. No, they don't.
They lose game two.

Speaker 1 Now we're talking four or five game series.

Speaker 4 So I think right now it's too early to do the thing that we all want to do, which we kind of like, we dipped our toe in it earlier and said the Warriors are dead. Fuck it.
I'm just going to say it.

Speaker 4 After game one, the Warriors are dead. They are.
A whomping is on the table. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I mean,

Speaker 1 I expect, obviously, the Warriors' best effort on Sunday night because it does feel like they have to win that game.

Speaker 4 They're going to win the next game by like 30 points.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, they probably will, but it doesn't matter because Celtics, like, mission accomplished, going out west and splitting. Yeah,

Speaker 1 you stole home court from them. Guess the line.
What do they even say in the locker room after this? Are they just like

Speaker 4 the fuck just happened? What's the spread? I know what it is.

Speaker 1 Do you think they stand in the locker room and they're like,

Speaker 1 wait, were you supposed to get out Horford? Like, who was supposed to get out Horford?

Speaker 4 I think the spread got bigger. I think the spread is four.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, it closed, I think, around four. It is four.

Speaker 1 Okay. Damn.

Speaker 4 Ding, ding, ding. Damn, he's good.

Speaker 1 And the Celtics are now minus 182 to win the title. Wow.
Crazy. Whole thing was crazy.

Speaker 4 Any other. I still think the Nuts should have whomped him.

Speaker 1 All-time bad take. It's going to be bad.

Speaker 1 They always win the title. It's like you had them getting whomped the first round.

Speaker 4 I've got a laundry list of bad takes that. It's about as long as the River Nile, and this one is probably

Speaker 4 1A.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You also should have felt good going into

Speaker 1 the series. Yeah, they got wonked.

Speaker 1 You should have felt good going in this series, Hank, because I have that Warriors future from the beginning of the playoffs, and I never win futures.

Speaker 1 It's actually impossible for me to ever win one. So you should feel pretty confident just on that alone.

Speaker 4 Give me a percentage.

Speaker 4 65. You're 65% confident.

Speaker 1 Really? I thought you'd be higher. Yeah, higher.

Speaker 1 I would be higher if I was. I'm not 75 or 80.
That's season 3. It really is.
Sunday night is like a five-year-old.

Speaker 1 if they, yeah, it's a free ball, but then it's like it could flip. Like, if the Warriors can win, then the Warriors can win one game, yeah.

Speaker 1 2-0 is a different story. 2-0 is over.
2-0 is like 8. 2-0 is dead.

Speaker 4 To put it in your speak as an executive, Hank, they had a good Q2 and Q4 today. Next game, they need to have a good Q1.

Speaker 1 It will circle back. Yeah, we'll circle back on.
Circle back on Q1.

Speaker 4 Put a pin in Q1.

Speaker 1 We're going to try to hit all of our goals.

Speaker 1 Here's what they're going to do.

Speaker 1 They're going to recover every three three months. I have to ask Ambi all the time.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's four. Oh, 12 divided by four.

Speaker 4 We're in Q2. Yeah.
Q2 ends in September.

Speaker 1 No, we're

Speaker 1 in. Yeah,

Speaker 4 we're in Q2.

Speaker 1 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Yes, we're in Q2.
No, no, no, Q2.

Speaker 4 March is Q1.

Speaker 1 7 May, July.

Speaker 4 We're at the tail end of Q2.

Speaker 1 That nigga Q2 is done. Yeah, this is 200.
Oh, yeah, but we're going to be doing it.

Speaker 1 We already have to be ready for our 2015. Yeah, like we're forecasting.

Speaker 1 Dude, if we're smart, we've got to be Q1 forecasting for 2023.

Speaker 4 Spending's done, but we need to hit all of our metrics if we want to come in according to all of projections that we've been going outbound to advertise.

Speaker 1 That's for Q1 2023.

Speaker 1 If we don't perform at the end of Q2, Q1 2023 is not going to be great. Well, you get all your money for Q1 and Q3.

Speaker 4 You get a rebate on Q1?

Speaker 1 Oh, you get all your money in Cal 2.

Speaker 1 That's when all the selling happens. You get all your money in Q1 from Q3.
That's correct.

Speaker 4 I'm going to talk to the boys in accounting and make sure we've got that straight.

Speaker 1 No, it sounds right to me. Everyone who's listening right now, anyone who's also in a C-suite, they just nodded along.
They're like, these guys know business.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, we're so good at business. In all of our phrases.

Speaker 4 I'm pretty sure that, like, we all assume that the accounting department of every corporation in America is just a bunch of dudes in white button-up short-sleeved dress shirts in the back that don't see the light of day with calculators and pencils.

Speaker 4 Yep. Yep.
That's what we've got.

Speaker 1 I'm still thinking about what the Warriors are doing in their locker room right now.

Speaker 4 I'm still reeling from Q2 of summer 2016. That was a Q.
Our sweet prince. That was a Q.
Yeah, that was a Q.

Speaker 1 Turn the world changed. That was a Q.
Black hole.

Speaker 1 All right. Last thing.

Speaker 1 Avalanche Up 2-0. Yep.

Speaker 1 I mean, they dominated. Game one was awesome.
Daniel. Million goals.
Canada.

Speaker 1 That's another future. Yeah, another future.
No, I do. I will.

Speaker 1 If anyone wants me to mush a team, just tell me, and I will put a future on them. And we'll get to a point where it looks like it's great value.
Cowboys. And then at Cowboys, and what about Kentucky?

Speaker 1 25 to 1. Like we'll get to a point where it's like, ooh, that was a nice bet.
And then it will fall apart all, all like in just a mess.

Speaker 1 My futures are basically, someone make the gift for me. My futures are just Kevin's chili just falling over.

Speaker 1 Like, oh, the Kentucky and the Cowboys and the Warriors and Wisconsin, everything just falls out.

Speaker 4 Well, you're more of a moment guy. You live moment to moment, yeah.

Speaker 1 In the future. Listen, I'm a knee-jerk guy.
Future here sucks. I'm a passionate guy.
I wear my heart on my sleeve. What I say one moment doesn't matter the next moment.

Speaker 4 You got to stop listening to Future Youth. That's the problem.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. No, futures are the dumbest thing to bet on.
I just, I don't know why I ever do it. You know what I do? I do it because I'm like, well, this is money I can't lose right now.

Speaker 4 I just lose later. It's later money.

Speaker 1 But it's like putting it under my counter.

Speaker 4 It's an investment, is what it is. It's like, well, in the future, I should have some futures coming in for me.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 In Q4, I should have

Speaker 1 a few dividends, you know, returning some big ROI on that.

Speaker 4 We're definitely the number one Q podcast. Make sure to put that in the description.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

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Speaker 1 Deep dive into Q. Let's kick it back to ourselves back in studio and then Richard Jefferson and Molly the Meatball.
Everyone have a good weekend and yeah, be great. Be great.
Be great. Get that pussy.

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Speaker 1 Okay, uh, the match. The match.

Speaker 4 Well, actually, I have some breaking news.

Speaker 1 Oh, breaking news.

Speaker 4 Right now that just came across the wire. Okay, breaking news.

Speaker 4 LeBron James

Speaker 4 is now officially a billionaire.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. This happens every two weeks.

Speaker 4 Borgs Magazine just wrote an article announcing it to the world. He's officially a billionaire.

Speaker 4 It's crazy that they were able to write this article up in like about two minutes after they announced that he was a billionaire.

Speaker 1 They were watching his checking account.

Speaker 4 They were, yeah, they refreshed it. It was like Ashton Kutcher watching his Twitter account.

Speaker 1 Wait, put that in the middle of the story. Why did Dr.
Dre become billionaires every other day?

Speaker 4 Hold on.

Speaker 1 Aren't stocks in the tank right now? So LeBron just getting rich while the common man gets poor?

Speaker 4 Yeah, so this is actually

Speaker 4 this is going to make Sean Hannity like become a Rose emoji guy and like break out the guillotine. Yeah.

Speaker 1 This means we have to eat

Speaker 1 LeBron JFN. He is now on the menu officially.

Speaker 1 He's been added to the menu.

Speaker 1 Congrats to LeBron.

Speaker 4 Imagine being one of his teammates

Speaker 4 that's making the NBA League minimum. And it's like this just

Speaker 1 an insane amount. Yeah.
But even still, like Austin Reeves. I don't know.
He's probably making a couple million a year.

Speaker 1 LeBron's got a bill. I wonder how much is liquid.
That's always like, that's what it should. It should never be like this person is a billionaire.
How much is it? Tell liquid

Speaker 4 shitload in wine.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tell me how much is

Speaker 1 actually in his checking account at a given time. Yeah.
Under his mattress.

Speaker 4 I think LeBron James could write a check for $219 million right now.

Speaker 1 Maybe even more. Who knows?

Speaker 4 He said, now back in 2014, it's my biggest milestone.

Speaker 4 I want to maximize my business.

Speaker 1 So it doesn't matter. The rings don't matter.

Speaker 1 I think MJ's been a billionaire for like a decade and a half.

Speaker 4 If I happen to be a billion-dollar athlete, ho, hip-hop hooray. Oh my God, I'm going to be excited.
Damn. So hip-hop hooray for LeBron James.

Speaker 1 Next Taco Tuesday is going to be sick.

Speaker 4 It is. Listen, we make a lot of fun of LeBron James, and we're going to continue to do that.
It must be pretty cool, though, to like grow up super poor

Speaker 4 and then look at it and you're like, I'm a billionaire?

Speaker 1 I think that might be the understatement of the year.

Speaker 1 Must be cool.

Speaker 1 It's very cool. Go from nothing to a billionaire.

Speaker 4 But LeBron is definitely, he's going to put up like 17 Instagram stories where he's just like looking at his phone, just shaking his head while his kids are in the background crying because they're hungry.

Speaker 4 And he's just going to be looking at his phone and be like, man, I can't believe this day is here. I never thought this day would come.

Speaker 4 Daddy, you need to take me to, you need to take me to school, please. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I'm blessed. Too blessed to be stressed.
All right, so congrats to LeBron.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about the match, though. We had the match, whatever it was, seven, eight, I don't know.

Speaker 1 The only takeaway I had is that Aaron Rodgers should be back in jail. So I've counted it.

Speaker 1 He tried vehicular manslaughter with his golf cart. He tried to hit a ball off a tree and into someone's face, and then he grounded his club in a sink.
Can't do that. Can't do that.

Speaker 1 And then, I don't know if you're watching PFT, but in very selfish Aaron Rodgers fashion,

Speaker 1 he and Tom Brady could have basically won the match on the hole prior, or at least gone up one, and he gave Brady a terrible read, and Brady missed it.

Speaker 1 But they disagreed on the read, and Brady was like, I'll go your way. Missed it, and then Brady took it again, just like practicing on his read,

Speaker 1 hit it, and then just so that Aaron Rodgers could be the hero on hole 12 or whatever it was. Yeah, honestly, I think it's disgusting.

Speaker 4 It's better that Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen lost the match against two active QBs. Like, do you want your quarterback getting really good at golf when he should be...

Speaker 4 They're focusing their attention on football right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Maybe if Aaron Rodgers spent a little less time on the golf course, a little bit more time in his playbook, the Packers wouldn't flame him out in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 I mean, Aaron Rodgers was the best player

Speaker 1 of the four. Patrick Mohames was very good as well, but I mean, he also is the one who has the most free time in the second half of January every year.

Speaker 4 He also is the one. Patrick Mohames is the one that was the first to crack open an ice school course late.
Yes, he was.

Speaker 1 Which I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 I think he's the real winner.

Speaker 1 It was also very funny funny to watch them play one brady was getting legit rattled he was very upset at himself he turned his hat back he was so mad at himself and two josh allen was struggling and uh you know he obviously was like this kind of sucks i'm not playing really well and there were multiple times where he'd hit a shot and he'd be discouraged i'd be like i would kill for that shot like he would hit it he'd hit it you know uh

Speaker 1 past the hole 20 20 yards past the hole but it still is a fine shot that you can chip in i'd be like like, that shot was insane. And he's like, this sucks.
I'm terrible.

Speaker 4 Yeah, listen, if you're like remotely playable at golf, that's like, there's a difference between people that just completely suck and go out there. And, you know, I'd probably hit like a 140.

Speaker 4 I'm golfing tomorrow. I'm probably going to hit like 140.
And then there are guys that can go out and

Speaker 4 go out and enjoy themselves playing golf. Josh Allen's good enough to enjoy himself while he plays golf.
Right.

Speaker 1 That's all I ever want to do.

Speaker 4 That's what most people should aspire to.

Speaker 1 Hit like, I don't know, half the holes, you hit it,

Speaker 1 you play inbounds. That's what I'm going for.

Speaker 4 I would say, like, if you can not lose a ball on nine of the 18 holes, that's a good day at the golf.

Speaker 1 That's a great day.

Speaker 4 But yeah, isn't it like a little alarming if your quarterback was like basically a semi-pro golfer?

Speaker 1 Well, I would not like that. Well, here's

Speaker 1 every athlete does the offseason. I think it's they do it because every athlete sneaky golfs more than anyone even realizes.
Because it's the only place they can have privacy out in public.

Speaker 1 And they can join

Speaker 1 expensive country clubs and shit.

Speaker 1 That price doesn't matter. They can go compete, and there can't be just random people.

Speaker 1 It would be weird if athletes are like, yeah, I picked up, you know, like playing pickup hoops or I play in a softball league, which would be sick. Bowling.
Patrick Mahomes would be awesome.

Speaker 1 Mookie Bets, right? Doesn't he bowl? He's a really good bowler.

Speaker 1 But I do feel a little vindicated because I did have multiple tweets from unbiased people saying that Aaron Rodgers is absolutely miserable to be around because he was the least talkative of the group.

Speaker 1 He was surly. He was Aaron Rodgers.
Like Brady, as bad as he was playing at times, still was interesting and still was trying to put on a show. Aaron Rodgers just, he just went for a paycheck.

Speaker 4 Fucking jerk. It's sad.
Very sad. It's sad that that's the only reason you can get Aaron Rodgers to do anything.
I think Jackson Mahomes should have been out there.

Speaker 1 That would have been fun.

Speaker 4 Just like they should have paired Jackson Mahomes in a golf cart with Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 Well, what they should have done is they should have had, they were doing, if you, you get one mulligan and to get the mulligan, you have to hit a big cardboard cutout of Charles Barkley with a football.

Speaker 1 If that had just been Jackson Mahomes dancing, that would have been funny.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah. No, Jackson Mahomes should have.
Can you imagine if Aaron Rodgers was brothers with Jackson Mahomes, how quickly he would have killed him? Yeah, that's true. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 Crazy to think about.

Speaker 1 Hank, are you a little worried about Brady listening to a loser like Aaron Rodgers? Because it was a lapse in his judgment. It was actually like one of the most interesting moments.

Speaker 1 No, I think that's just like he's an ultimate teammate. And it's one of those things where it's like you look like a bad teammate if you don't listen to him and then you miss.

Speaker 1 So it's like you got to trust your teammate, right? Yeah. He did.
He was wrong. What happened? Yeah.
He was wrong.

Speaker 1 I also thought it was just hilarious that they decided to have fans at that, and people almost died.

Speaker 1 People almost died.

Speaker 1 Every single drive was just going way right. And they Mahomes, the first one, I think they got good at calling for it.
Mahomes just didn't, or it was Josh Allen just didn't call for on this first one.

Speaker 1 And it almost killed the guy. He actually had a moment where I'm pretty sure it was a Bills fan.
That's why they're the best fans ever.

Speaker 1 He hit one to the green, past the green, and I'm pretty sure a Bills fan just kicked the ball back onto the green. He did.

Speaker 4 And then Josh Joss is like that was Bill's mafia.

Speaker 1 I appreciate that. That was great.
But yeah, it's, I mean, I'll still keep tuning in.

Speaker 1 Those guys are, you know, such crazy superstar athletes to watch them compete and watch them be frustrated just like the rest of us and like pound cores lights just like the rest of us. It was cool.

Speaker 1 I had fun. I like the sandbaggers just because they talk more, you know, they talk more shit like during it.
Like those are the true. Oh, yeah.
It's, it's, you wish, you wish they were really like

Speaker 1 all the way talking shit to themselves because that's what golf ultimately is.

Speaker 1 It's like you hit a bad shot and then you're just motherfucking yourself on these they have to be a little bit more like jokey haha you know it's fine we'll get the next shot but like that's why i mean the same baggers that biz and wit do are so funny because they just like every single shot they're just like motherfucking themselves and try to get each other's heads yeah yeah it's very funny too like just when you're watching pga golf how close they get when a guy's like maybe he hits the ball like off the fairway 10 20 yards and they line up like right next to his path that he's shooting to the green because these guys are professionals they were doing that exact same thing yeah in the match.

Speaker 4 Where it's like tough shots out of the rough and guys are just like begging to get hit in the face with the ball. Yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And it's like they have the club speed to be pro golfers, but you can like, that's the difference.
You know, it's the shot making, shot making abilities. Like they're not even close.

Speaker 1 They have the physical attributes.

Speaker 1 Yes. Mahomes was really fun.

Speaker 1 He was very impressive, I thought. Like I knew Rodgers had golfed a lot because, again, he's not playing in the back half of January.

Speaker 1 Mahomes, though, for being that young, like he's a pretty fucking good golfer.

Speaker 4 They said that Tom Brady's clubhead speed, speed, I think it was on his first drive, was faster than the tour average.

Speaker 1 Whoa.

Speaker 4 Fucking crazy. Damn.

Speaker 1 I think that was Rodgers, but that's all right. We'll go with Brady.
No, it was Brady.

Speaker 1 It was definitely Brady.

Speaker 1 Okay, other stories. The Rangers shit pumped the lightning game one.

Speaker 1 Memes is not here right now. Billy, Memes, and Jake are up doing PLL training camp, which should be very funny.

Speaker 1 I think Billy and Memes are both getting in the pads, playing with some professional lacrosse players. But I'll say it for memes.
He was trying to be like, oh, it's just game one.

Speaker 1 Two things can be true. I think the Rangers are for real.
And two, I think if you aren't betting

Speaker 1 everything on Friday night for the Lightning,

Speaker 1 this is like a 100-year storm. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The streak will continue, right? So I guess they're going to win. They don't lose back-to-back game.

Speaker 4 I got absolutely fucked up on the scheduling of this. Why? Because the Rangers played at home last night.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got hanked. Yeah, I got hanked big time on it.
They had more points.

Speaker 4 I literally looked at it and I was like, this doesn't make sense. I was assuming that was going to be on the road.

Speaker 4 But yeah, I think there's no chance at all that the Lightning roll over for another game. But the Rangers, so everyone was like, the Rangers are a little experienced.

Speaker 4 They thought that they could come in here. I think it was Biz that was like,

Speaker 4 they thought they could come in here and swing their dick around with Sidney Crosby. He thought they were too young.
He thought they were too inexperienced.

Speaker 4 But I think they've reached the point now where they don't know how big the moment is supposed to be that they're in right now.

Speaker 4 So they're playing loose and they're ready to go.

Speaker 1 Just know that whatever our good friend Paul Bissonet says is wrong.

Speaker 1 There's never been anyone who's been more wrong about a playoffs than him.

Speaker 1 I think he had the Panthers. I think he had the Flames.
He had the Leafs. He had

Speaker 1 the Rangers losing to the Canes. He's had every single wrong pick.

Speaker 4 The Penguins.

Speaker 1 Yeah, between him and Mr. Ice, if you just faded the two of those guys,

Speaker 1 you'd be LeBron James, billionaire.

Speaker 1 And then the last thing I had before we got to Richard Jefferson and Meatball Molly, great interviews.

Speaker 1 We had what seems like the last final story, final uh, anecdote from the Tommy Pham-Jock Peterson feud.

Speaker 1 Mike Trout was a commissioner, and Tommy Pham claims that he was a bad commissioner, and he didn't do everything that he needed to do.

Speaker 1 And then we had a big debate about uh commissioners in fantasy sports, which I contend like everyone should hate their commissioner. That's the role of the commissioner.

Speaker 1 So I think that like Mike Trout, if he's the commissioner, he had to know this day was coming, that he was going to get shit on for not running a tighter ship.

Speaker 4 I think maybe Tommy Pham's wife has alopecia. That would have been a great story if he had just been like, that's why I beat the fuck out of you in the outfield.
I think that

Speaker 4 we need to get this entire league into

Speaker 4 a reality show. This fantasy league needs to be a reality show.
And I think it's fair to point your finger at Mike Trout as well. Because he's in charge of this.

Speaker 4 Right, but you can't have a high-stakes fantasy league and then then not even monitor how people are using the injured reserve. Right.

Speaker 1 My point is that every commissioner in any fantasy league, they're like the president of the condo board.

Speaker 1 Like they are there to be hated because they either run too tight of a ship and everyone complains or they run too loose of a ship, everyone complains. It's a no-win job.
It's a no-win job.

Speaker 1 Basically, the only thing you get to decide is you get to decide for your schedule when the draft is held.

Speaker 4 The best thing that can happen to a fantasy commissioner is if you have one guy in the league that's more of like a rules stickler than the commissioner is, then the commissioner can be very, very strict with the rules, but they're also not the total psycho that that one guy in the league is.

Speaker 1 Then they have to deal with that one guy.

Speaker 4 They have to deal with one guy. But you'd rather deal with that one guy and then have everybody else in the league being like, yeah, that guy fucking sucks.
Thanks for being on our side.

Speaker 4 That's what it sounds like Mike Trout doesn't have in this.

Speaker 1 It's a thankless job, though, and it's also a job that everyone should know that if you are the commissioner of your fantasy league, everyone hates you. That's just a fact.
Also, everyone hates you.

Speaker 4 Why is Mike Trout being the commissioner of a fantasy league?

Speaker 1 He said that they couldn't pick one and they just made him do it.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's what. So it's on them.
It's on the rest of the street.

Speaker 1 He owned that. For nobody.
Tommy Fam said that. He said, he was like, it's kind of our fault because he didn't really want to do it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, that one,

Speaker 1 just a hilarious story all the way through.

Speaker 1 I'm still on Team Jock Peterson, but the fact that Tommy Pham has not disputed any of it is just so funny to me. The fact that he's like, yeah, I slapped him.
Yeah, I got my suspension.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like he fucked around with me.

Speaker 4 Tommy Pham also seems like a guy that just can't take a joke.

Speaker 1 Yes. At all.
Correct.

Speaker 4 He seems like a guy that just bad hang.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yes.
Bad hang big time. Okay, Hank, do you got any news?

Speaker 1 No, yeah, no. Okay.
All right. So let's get to our interviews.
We've got Richard Jefferson and then Meatball Molly, and then we'll finish up with Firefest of the week.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our good friend, NBA champion, Richard Jefferson. He's here.
He is live from San Francisco, getting ready for the NBA Finals.

Speaker 1 Let's just put in a little caveat for all of our listeners. We're taping this before game one.
They're going to listen to it after game one. If we screw up and say a bunch of things, yeah.

Speaker 5 That's a setup. That's a setup.

Speaker 1 It is. It is.
It's a setup. It's a setup, but I wanted to just put a little time stamp on it.

Speaker 1 All right, let's just jump right into it. We're very excited.

Speaker 1 What are the vibes like right now? Let's get a vibe check of San Francisco, Media Day, the teams, everything.

Speaker 5 You know what? I can't speak on it from the player side, but it's like

Speaker 5 I would not be surprised if COVID affected this NBA finals. No, I would not be surprised.
And that's that's a bump. That's yeah, just because there's a lot of media members.

Speaker 5 I think Jeff Van Gundy now has COVID.

Speaker 5 There's been different people in the media stuff. I'm not going to give up people's personal stuff, but even our show on NBA today,

Speaker 5 we were supposed to fly in today. We were all going to go do dinner at Malika's family's house here in Oakland.
That got kiboshed because multiple people on our team.

Speaker 5 So that would be a funny, not funny, that would be an interesting thing to watch is that.

Speaker 1 Okay. That's that's a real bummer to start with.

Speaker 4 That is, yeah, that's, that's, that's tough.

Speaker 4 Now, um, I was actually just reading about you the other day because there was an article that came out recapping one thing that you said that I took umbrage with, and I wanted to confront you on it face to face like a man.

Speaker 4 Um, you said that you would pay money to hit Skip Bayless the the way Dylan Brooks injured Gary Payton.

Speaker 4 You think you could beat up Skip Bayless? Because the man lifts. So, Sir Richard, we like you.
We've had you on the show a lot. I feel like we all get along well.
We appreciate your takes.

Speaker 4 But when you're friends with somebody, you got to call them out on some bullshit. And

Speaker 4 a month ago, you said something that I took major umbrage with. You said that you wanted...

Speaker 4 You wanted to you would pay money to hit skip Bayless.

Speaker 4 I don't know if you've seen Skip's workout routine, but the man is fucking jacked up.

Speaker 4 I think Skip Bayless takes you out in round one.

Speaker 5 Okay, first of all, I didn't say just like punch him. I was just more saying, like, let's give a little context.
It's just imagine like him going through the middle.

Speaker 5 Now, look, Skip Bayless is in great shape. He is in outstanding shape for someone his age.

Speaker 1 Let's just, I'm just gonna skip.

Speaker 5 No, period. No, no, no.
Skip, skip. Look, good for skip, man.
Good for skip, but no. Yeah, skip.
Sometimes he talks about things and that's the only part. And I understand it's a shtick.

Speaker 5 I understand that it's just a thing, right? Like he just tweets, LeBron James did it, this up next.

Speaker 5 It's like, dude, that's not even real. That's not even like, that's not even real anything.
You're just putting stuff out there.

Speaker 5 And so every once in a while, I have those moments where he's something and he was like, you know, that type of shot, that is an easy shot.

Speaker 5 I'm like, like wait what come on come on bro like and the way he calls out players and it's just for every once in a while like add a little humor to it you know what i'm saying like like you guys you guys call out everybody and you add humor and i love you guys for it other people want to call out people and do it in like this aggressive angry way and you're like bro that's just that's not it yeah i think with with skip when he talks about a shot being easy you can't look at it like skip bayless is saying he could make that shot when he says a shot's easy he means michael Jordan would have made that shot in one of the highlights that he remembers of Michael Jordan.

Speaker 5 Oh, no, that's not the way he means it. Like Skip Bayless really means that it's so easy that he could do it.

Speaker 5 It's just like, yeah, it's so easy. No, no, not even Michael Jordan.
I could do it. No, no, I get it.
But I understand. If you're a big skip, if you're a big Skip fan,

Speaker 5 I understand. I get it.
I'm more of a Shannon Sharp guy myself.

Speaker 5 But yeah, I get it.

Speaker 4 I like Shannon too. I'm more of a fan of

Speaker 4 the ecosystem in the world that allows a guy like Skip Bayless to exist. That's what I'm a fan of.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's an like the ecosystem is really, really interesting.

Speaker 5 You know, Troy Aikman's a real big fan of Skip Bayless.

Speaker 1 He's a real big fan of Sale.

Speaker 1 If you want to hit him, you got to get in line. That's kind of how it works.
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 Hey, hey, hey,

Speaker 5 Troy, welcome to the ESPN family, man.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's true. You have his back.
Welcome, man.

Speaker 5 I was like, got you, brother.

Speaker 1 Got you. So, all right,

Speaker 1 I got like a basketball

Speaker 1 nerdy, not kind of nerdy, but I love this matchup because styles make fights, and these styles are different. It feels very different.

Speaker 1 It also feels like the Celtics going from a knockdown, drag out, rock fight with the Heat seven games, and now having to face the Warriors. You face the Warriors in the finals.
What, from a

Speaker 1 player's perspective, is the difference when you go from an ISO ball team that really only has one option in the heat versus a team that's just running constantly, cutting everywhere, moving.

Speaker 1 Like, how shocking is that to switch series to series?

Speaker 5 Well, the Celtics have the personnel to do it, but the problem is, is that if you don't see it,

Speaker 5 and the Miami Heat were a little bit of that, even though their half-court offense was trash.

Speaker 5 They have a bunch of guys that are moving. It's Tyler Hero.
It's Duncan Robinson.

Speaker 5 Obviously, those guys didn't play the last few games but it's it's bam it's kyle it's jimmy butler there's a lot of different guys that can beat you nothing like what the golden state warriors have like obviously but when you kind of get used to the movement but i'll say this the the golden state warriors on the other side have have a matchup that they haven't really seen either right they've gone against a one superstar team in denver with yokish they went against a one superstar team in in uh the memphis grizzlies and john missed a ton of that series and golden state didn't even play well

Speaker 5 when he was out. And then they went against a one superstar team in Dallas in Luca.

Speaker 5 So now they're going to go against a team with multiple guys now that can go out there and beat you and have like crazy high impacts.

Speaker 5 And so I think that's a, I think both sides, like you said, for a fight, there are both, like two different things that we all get to sit back and watch. Like, how do these teams handle this blow?

Speaker 5 How do they, the first round, the second round?

Speaker 5 Who's going to go for the knockout? Like, it's a fun way to sit back and watch.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is. And you're absolutely right.
The Celtics pose a ton of mismatch problems for the Warriors and vice versa.

Speaker 1 What, like, each team going into it, how does, from a basketball standpoint, how does a coach or a team say, like, this is how we want to play, whether it be pace or, you know, how the ball moves?

Speaker 1 Like, how do you dictate your style?

Speaker 5 on the opponent as opposed to kind of letting the game come to everyone and maybe getting it away from you well well at this level with with like when you start talking about the teams that can contend for a championship, right?

Speaker 5 We're not talking about every team, but teams, first of all, you got to have talent. You got to have talent that is undeniably unstoppable, right?

Speaker 5 Like, look at all the teams here, what Jimmy Butler was doing, what Jason Tatum was doing.

Speaker 5 Like that shit, it's just like, hey, look, we're going to start with a guy that is damn near impossible to stop consistently, right? You know, Luca, Steph.

Speaker 5 right warriors got a couple of them right so it's like when you start with that then you're like okay so it's based off my personnel. Who do we have? What do we have? Hey, Luca is our main guy.

Speaker 5 We're going to put shooters around him, and that's going to be our style. And we're going to play at his pace.
Steph is a crazy run around shooting guy.

Speaker 5 So we got to put shooters around him and we got to put long wing defenders so that we can play the style of basketball we play.

Speaker 5 So, you know, that's again, that's the beautiful part about basketball is that you take what you have and then you have to do the puzzle pieces around it.

Speaker 5 And I think all four of these teams, excuse me, the last four four teams all were pretty good pieces of a puzzle, right? Because they weren't like the Phoenix Suns.

Speaker 5 It wasn't like Giannis, who was just like this unstoppable force or LeBron James. It was like really good teams that were like put together well and just depended on who was going to be healthiest.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 4 What do you think is going to happen with the lineup for Golden State? Like, what is Steve Kerr going to do?

Speaker 4 That to me, I think is going to be the biggest thing that has the largest effect on the series.

Speaker 4 Like, are they going to go small a lot or are they going to try to put some of the rebounders in you know i think they're going to go small um

Speaker 5 because you know uh when you look at williams you know he's big shot blocker for boston if you go small then now it's like our smalls versus your smalls right he can block shots and then if you're running if you're running stephanie's guys off the three and then you got that big shot blocker in there he's blocking shots he's catching dunks that becomes a lot for them so what the idea for if you're in my opinion if you're steve kerr play small play super small and then make him have to come out on the perimeter and guard three-point shooters now

Speaker 5 ideally boston then would go to grant williams and have grant williams play kind of the small ball five like he did against milwaukee and i know i'm getting all basketball on you guys but grant williams to me if the warriors go small will be a key for the boston celtics if he plays well like he did in in the milwaukee series where he hit eight threes nine threes whatever it was then you know boston's going to be a problem yeah i i mean it's, it's a very fascinating matchup.

Speaker 1 I really do think it's going to be a great series. I hope it's going to be a great series.

Speaker 1 Who's your X factor? For, I know it's a cliche thing to say, but I do like to kind of think about it that way because we know Steph's going to get his. We know Tatum's going to get his.

Speaker 1 Jalen Brown and Clay Thompson are going to both have big impacts, probably games where they both score in the 30s.

Speaker 1 Who's the guy, though, on each side where you're like, if that guy can step up, if that guy can elevate his game, that becomes the difference maker in this series?

Speaker 5 I won't like, okay so elevate your game is that's asking a lot if you do that great right we just you just can can someone perform at a consistent clip that's what you're that's what you're looking for you're looking for consistency in these moments because your teams are so great as long as you play consistently ideally you should win a game right it's when you're inconsistent that becomes the roller coaster ride um

Speaker 5 I would say the two people, I mentioned Grant Williams. I think Grant Williams, like, he's going to be key because the Warriors just force everyone to play small.

Speaker 5 But on the Golden State side, I would say Andrew Wiggins. If Andrew Wiggins can be consistent, if he can give them between 18 and 22,

Speaker 5 let's say seven game series, five out of the seven game series, I think the Warriors win. If he's 12 one night, you know, 18 one night.
28 another night, then 13 the next night, that's hard, right?

Speaker 5 That's going to be a lot harder for the Golden State Warriors because you know Steph is going to be Steph.

Speaker 5 But if he's inconsistent, then that means that steph can't have an off night you've got to allow your superstar to win a game

Speaker 5 your team has to win a game when you um when your superstar doesn't play well ideally the formula is this and i've said this is that your superstars have to win you two games in the finals so you got to look at your superstars and say you won game one and game three fours you're you have to win a game where you don't play well you don't shoot three well you're you know you're you're 39 but your defense was good you turned them over You offensive rebound, but you just shot poorly.

Speaker 5 You still won.

Speaker 5 And then you have to count a game where the others, other guys step up outside, where you might Jordan Poole, Kavan Looney, like these are the guys that are the reason why you won the game.

Speaker 5 For Boston, it could be White and Al Horford or Peyton Pritchard goes five for seven and hits three threes in the fourth quarter. Like that, then you would point to those guys singularly.

Speaker 5 So that's kind of the formula.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like that. That's a good way to break it down.
I agree.

Speaker 4 What have you heard about Brad Stevens and any of the impact that he's having?

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 4 we always like to think of him as like the wizard behind the curtain. And like, Eme's done an awesome job this year.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 4 does he have any day-to-day involvement with the team whatsoever?

Speaker 5 100%.

Speaker 5 It was the passing of a baton in a relay race, right? Like, that's really what this was. It was like, hey, like, I want to go to this space in the front office.

Speaker 5 I want somebody that I believe can take these guys to the the next level, right?

Speaker 5 And this is where I like, again, I'm not going to go too deep into it, but like for a guy like Brad Stevenson, it's like, hey, if Stevens is like, I want this guy to take these guys, maybe where I couldn't, maybe where I couldn't.

Speaker 5 I'm going to pick my successor. I've got these guys primed to be ready.
They're basketball IQ. This is X, Y, and Z.
I need someone that can push them where I couldn't.

Speaker 5 And you find that guy and you believe in Ime Udoka and he has proven like Brad right.

Speaker 5 And so I think that that's a compliment to Brad to say like, hey, somebody else needs to come in here and push these guys in this group where I could.

Speaker 5 Doesn't mean that Brad couldn't win a championship as an NBA head coach. That's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is this group right here and where Brad was, he said, I'm not the guy.

Speaker 5 No different than Jay Wright stepping down at Villanova, right? It doesn't mean that the guy can't still do it. It just means that this, he just wanted to be in a different space.

Speaker 5 So he, but he's still there in a day-to-day, every single day.

Speaker 4 I I thought it was very classy how he just walked away, picked his successor, didn't have to take a full year to make everybody watch him and praise him and give him gifts everywhere that he went.

Speaker 4 He just kind of went off, you know, on his own. He's like, okay, I'll stay behind the scenes now.
I think certain college coaches could learn a lot from how he conducted himself.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 I agree. And I think, you know, sometimes you do that.
because he's like, maybe I'm not done coaching. I just need a moment or, you know, whatever, just whatever it is.

Speaker 5 And so I, you know, I respect that. But no, when I look at what the Boston Celtics have done, I really commend them as an organization and

Speaker 5 the way they've handled this transition because you have young stars on that team. You got a loaded roster that every year is competing.

Speaker 5 So to just let that go and just be like, I'm going to go to the front office, you go here. But front office individuals are as active as anybody.
And especially because obviously prior relationships.

Speaker 5 He's not a guy that took over and it's building. He drafted these guys.
He's worked with them every day. He coached them to their first all-star games.
So he's still there and involved.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And Ime Adoka is, it's incredible the job he's done.
I feel like it's, you know, now he'll get a little bit more praise because they're in the finals.

Speaker 1 But I was reading a story today about how, you know, the Celtics were bad. They were a bad team for the first few months of the season.

Speaker 1 And, you know, you had Marcus Smart called out Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum to the press. Are you shocked knowing like how a locker room works that they were able to come back together after that?

Speaker 5 Because that usually, like if someone calls out and kind of airs dirty laundry it can go south pretty quickly and i'd assume it but see but now think about it think about like who was the person that called them out and i'm not saying mark is smart is like he can't make a mistake or he at times can't try and do a little too much no that's not what i'm saying what i'm saying is that when the guy that is putting forth that type of effort and he is calling it how he sees it and he has a he has he's he's he has a reputation for that and and so for him to get up there and how he did it like jason kidd called out called those guys hey we need other guys to step up and show up it can't just be luca with 35 and 45 we need other guys to step up like that's a fair statement for a coach to say and people are like man are you know our guy's going to feel like he's going at him and he's like no he's just telling the truth And so when I look at what Jalen Brown, or, you know, the way that Marcus Smart called him out, he did it.

Speaker 5 He's like, look, teams know that these guys are scorers and that they don't want to pass the ball. We hear the other teams saying that.

Speaker 5 Until these guys become playmakers and become basketball players, it's going to be tough. Yeah.
And so I think until those guys embraced that role and they did.

Speaker 5 And then their defense and Emei and so many other things started working out. And it should, it just became amazing.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it was in the story, basically Eme went to Marcus Smart and was like, look, you said it.
You got to own it. Don't run from it.

Speaker 1 Like this is, you know, it became a galvanizing moment where they opened up lines of communication that weren't there previously. And I also in like reading his style and everything,

Speaker 1 it seems like he pushes the buttons where he holds everyone accountable and he's tough and the defensive-minded like side of it, because you can tell me if I'm way wrong, but in the NBA, it feels like everyone has their offensive skill set.

Speaker 1 Defense and being good at defense is a lot about effort. And like, do you want to try possession to possession and like put in the work to play as a cohesive unit on the defensive side? Is that fair?

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's fucking hard as shit playing great defense at that level.

Speaker 5 Like with Steph, you can chase him around for 22 seconds and you could play perfect defense and he hits one of the most ridiculous shots. And guess what? You got to go do that again.

Speaker 5 And you got to do it again and again and again. And so to put forth the type of effort that it takes to win a championship, you know, look at these guys.
These guys had to go through KD.

Speaker 5 Think about it. There's no night you get a rest if KD and Kyrie have the ball.
There is no night that you will get a rest if you get Giannis next round. And he, yes, no Middleton.

Speaker 5 I think that Milwaukee was the best team this year. If they would have had Middleton, they'd be in final right now.
But like you had to go against a guy that was just dropping 40 balls on everybody.

Speaker 5 Then you get to the conference finals and you just have a slug fest, like Rocky Balboa versus freaking Apollo. No one's dodging.
Everyone's just punching as hard as they can against Miami.

Speaker 5 And your reward is the Golden State Warriors, who's been waiting a little bit. Like to play the type of defense it takes, you have to be a cohesive unit.

Speaker 5 You have to be able to be honest with each other. You have to be able to accept criticism.
And when a coach says you were piss poor, you let your teammates down. This is not what we're supposed to do.

Speaker 5 You know better than this. You can't take it personally.
You just have to own it because your goals. are so high that the only way to do it is to try and achieve perfection.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah.
So you could look at it as the Celtics. They played all these very, very, very tough teams out of the East.

Speaker 4 And, you know, their reward, like you said, is now they have to play the Warriors in the finals. You can look at it like, oh, shit, these guys have got to be exhausted.

Speaker 4 Or you could look at it like they're battle tested. So

Speaker 4 which way do you think it leans? Like, could this be a net benefit?

Speaker 4 I guess it depends on the team and the makeup of the team, whether or not they're exhausted by this point, or whether or not they're just more motivated and tough because of who they played.

Speaker 5 I think they'll be tougher in the beginning, in the first four games. And I think if it, as it it continues, if it goes whatever, the next three games is where they get fatigued.

Speaker 5 That's where they get fatigued.

Speaker 5 Because when you show up in this, like those guys have been fighting for their lives for every single night, they've been fighting for their lives for over a month, right?

Speaker 5 Where the Golden State Warriors, they weren't really worried about Damper. They were maybe, you know,

Speaker 5 a little bit more worried about Memphis, but then Ja went out like game three. So, like, that wasn't really ultra stressful.
And then to go and then have Luca upset the Suns.

Speaker 5 And so, if the Suns would have showed up against the Golden State Warriors, they would have at least been on edge game one, game two.

Speaker 5 They would have been on edge, like, yo, this has been the best team, whatever. But no, Luca beats them in seven.
So, the Golden State Warriors are waiting and they know that they can beat Luca.

Speaker 5 They know that they can do that. They just have to just not be idiots.
And they do it. So, they were never

Speaker 5 under any real like crazy stress for how great they are. The other side, those guys were just fighting nuts.

Speaker 5 So at game one and game two, if Golden State comes in lax and Boston comes in like they've been in that dogfight for the last month, Boston can get control.

Speaker 5 But as the series progresses, is where I think Boston starts to fatigue. And so they got to come out and hit first because the longer this series goes, it's not going to favor Boston.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I got a question about Steph.

Speaker 1 You know, he's an all-time, all-time player.

Speaker 1 It's very weird how people talk about him because of his size and the fact that he's not physically dominating in any way.

Speaker 1 I feel like everyone's always hesitant to put him in like, you know, greatest of all time. But

Speaker 1 when you played against him, like

Speaker 1 the amount of attention that is needed for Steph Curry when he's on the court, is it just off the charts where everyone always has to know where he is?

Speaker 1 Because that's the crazy part about Steph to me is like, even if he's not making his shots, he makes the entire defense go towards him at at all times.

Speaker 5 Well, and this is the other thing that I like, this is one thing that I want to make sure people understand.

Speaker 5 And I think a lot of times it gets Clay Thompson, and you see the Clay's at 75% of himself, but like when he's on that court, they are a ridiculous team.

Speaker 5 My point is this: to be the greatest shooter we've ever seen and to probably have the second best shooter in the league, probably a top five shooter of all time, also on your team makes it like it's not fair, right?

Speaker 5 And so with Steph, he does create so much confusion and his movement, but it's also because you can't leave this guy who is Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, however you want to say it right next to him.

Speaker 5 And so, you know, when I look at guarding Steph, when you look at greatness, whether it's Magic, whether it's Will, Kareem, you know, Larry Burke, you want to see something you've never seen before.

Speaker 5 There is no, I think the closest copy that we ever had was Kobe and MJ, but if you really studied them, they were different. They just played the same style.

Speaker 5 Like MJ was far more efficient, you know, all the different things.

Speaker 5 And so when you look at that, it's like, dude, Steph does things we've never seen before and probably never will, not at the same clip, because that's what makes him Steph.

Speaker 5 So I don't like it when people only look at. greatness as like physical dominance.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 You've got to put skill, you got to put skill in there, like skill, like he has a skill set that is greater than anyone we've ever seen.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I'm trying to do a better job of like when I'm watching sports in the moment, being like appreciating what I'm watching as long as it's not LeBron, like appreciating like the greatness of someone I'm watching being like, I might not see a Steph Curry again in my life.

Speaker 1 Again, as long as it's not LeBron, like that one, I don't know.

Speaker 5 But that's, that's, that's, that's, that's an older, that, but that's, that's an old, you're a seasoned man.

Speaker 5 Like you're now at the spot of your life where you look at sports with a different lens of like, yo, I remember as a child and I remember where I'm at now.

Speaker 5 And I'm like, I've only seen like two or three people like this. I might only see one or two more in my lifetime.
Right. Right.

Speaker 5 So you should sit back and enjoy it and embrace it, you know, especially a guy like LeBron. You know, that's for you.
I think it's a really, I think that'd be a really big step of maturity.

Speaker 1 Big cat, you can do it, bro. No, you can do it, bro.
You can do it. No, thank you.
And no, thank you.

Speaker 1 You know, definitely, there's going to be a moment in like 20 years where like my son's like, what was it like to watch LeBron? I'm like, didn't watch it. You're like, it sucks.
It sucked.

Speaker 1 You would have hated it.

Speaker 1 You pretended to get crazy.

Speaker 5 i i i tell people right now if you like look whether you like him or not i'm not telling you to like lebron i'm telling you to watch lebron that's the only thing i'm saying and if you can't look if you if they're not okay well this is no i i love i love watching lebron we're not gonna we're not we're not gonna see it again we're not like

Speaker 1 are you at least are you gonna watch him when he at least passes cream are you gonna watch him when he passes cream this year listen will you watch it i've will you watch it yes i will and i'll i've admitted LeBron's good at LeBron.

Speaker 1 LeBron's a good basketball player. There you go.
I'm not saying you don't have to like him, bro. I'm not saying you have to like him.
No, he's incredible. I know.
I would say.

Speaker 1 LeBron actually passes a test where I do not like him. And then he's had moments where I'm like, holy fuck, this is incredible.
Even that they had the anniversary of the J.R. Smith game.

Speaker 1 And looking back at that game and like what LeBron, I think he scored like 50 points. And it was just like.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he had a 50-point triple-double.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he almost beat the Warriors by himself. I remember thinking, like, holy fuck, how is this guy doing it? So, I appreciate him, whatever.

Speaker 1 Listen, I love watching LeBron because you have to watch him to find all the stuff to laugh about later. Yeah.
You know, like,

Speaker 4 he gives you everything. He'll give you a game like that where I think there were like six games in a row in the NBA Finals where he put up stat lines that had never been done before.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And then he'll and then he'll do the thing where he like lays down on the ground, pretends that his eye is out of its socket. Like he'd die.

Speaker 1 Like he's dying.

Speaker 5 Bro, we used to sit on the bench and be like, bro, you didn't get hit in the face. Get back on deck.

Speaker 1 Come on.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 But like, we're all guilty of it. We're all guilty of it.
He's just not very good at flopping. He's not a very good flopper.

Speaker 1 But that's what I love because he tries to be good at it. He like puts effort into his flops, but he's not good at it.
Yeah. But I mean,

Speaker 4 we love doing legacy talk, and I feel like this is the time to start doing the Steph Curry legacy talk.

Speaker 4 Like, if Steph Curry wins an NBA Finals MVP this year, I'm ready to be the first person to say that he's better than LeBron James, purely at basketball.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 5 you might be the first and last person to say that.

Speaker 1 So that's cool. No.

Speaker 5 I think Steph starts to, I think the conversation of Steph being a top 10 player in NBA history

Speaker 5 becomes a very, very, it becomes extremely hard to push him out because you say it at this point, assuming that he will accomplish more, more all-stars, more all-NBA, like he, like the number of threes that he's going to potentially end with.

Speaker 5 I'm not talking about more championships. You don't know how that goes, but you know that he's going to get all starts, gonna get all NBAs, and he's gonna like be have more playoff numbers.

Speaker 5 And so when it all ends and it's all finished, like I don't like the whole Steph change the game, change the game.

Speaker 5 Like he did, but like, again, having Clay Thompson next to you, like your running mate, like having that, they together, the Golden State Warriors, helped change the game of basketball.

Speaker 5 And Steph, and on top of it, there were rule changes. And I'm not saying this to hate.
I'm just saying that, like, to just singularly give him the credit as the greatest shooter is yes.

Speaker 5 But, like, I just watched that collective group do it together and put him in a position to let him fucking go. And Steph is the greatest, one of the nicest superstars ever.

Speaker 5 But I just think collectively, the Golden State Warriors, led by Steph Curry, changed the game.

Speaker 4 But what about this? If Steph Curry, if we start having the debate, like, should he be in that top three conversation?

Speaker 5 Then you can use that as ammo to be like well that makes lebron's championship with the cavaliers even more impressive because he beat steph curry who is a better basketball player than him uh yeah if you beat someone better than you i i see you so you're saying that like that helps lebron's legacy i dig that i like uh i'm gonna you know i'm gonna bring that up with steph when i see him like hey like uh the lebron fans out there really want you to win because it'll make it better that they beat you yeah after after you won the title with him um who was who was the biggest partier in cleveland that because i feel like it was deli i saw pictures of deli everywhere you know what we didn't really party after we won that's what was so crazy like we um we did like some like family barbecues like we didn't like it was crazy like and you know we didn't really drink that much we didn't really do much it was like after we won like everyone's family came and then like we did like a couple of family barbecues some like meet and greets and then you know everyone just kind of went home yeah like to like their where where their family i feel like jr smith didn't put a shirt on for like two weeks, though.

Speaker 5 Well, you know, that was just the parade. At the parade, it was extremely hot out there.

Speaker 5 And so it was like, you know, there was tons of topless people, most of them men or JR, you know, but not all of them.

Speaker 1 All right. I had two last questions.
I'm lying.

Speaker 1 We drank our asses.

Speaker 1 I was about to say you're full of shit.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah. 100% full of shit.

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 5 I'm still hung up. I'm still hung up on that.

Speaker 1 I do have a question about Kyrie, and I'm sure you've been asked about it, but it may be a little bit of a different question. What is it about Kyrie that guys just love playing with him?

Speaker 1 Because that's the, like, Kyrie gets talked about all the time. And obviously, this season was up and down with all the vaccine stuff and everything.

Speaker 1 But at the end of the day, it feels like everyone who's on his team loves playing with him.

Speaker 1 And I'm wondering if there's something that we're missing as fans that we just don't see that is like, this is why Kevin Durant wants to play with Kyrie.

Speaker 1 This is why some of these guys want to be around Kyrie when we look at it like, wow, what a headache.

Speaker 5 Well, there's two sides to it. One, from a skill side, as basketball players, we're all fans.
Like, once you're in a craft like Daniel Duane, we're fans.

Speaker 5 And when we see Kyrie play, we're all just like,

Speaker 5 what the fuck? Like, the things that he can do is very similar to Steph. They have very different temperaments, right? Like, where, you know, Kyrie's a little bit more up and down.

Speaker 5 Steph is very like this. But as far as talent level, like we see like Steph go for clay, or Steph Clay, we see Kyrie go for 50 with like, you know, 70% shooting.

Speaker 5 And you're just like, the things that he can do and the way he does it and the flair and the sexy and all that stuff. As a fan of basketball, you better love what he can do.

Speaker 5 Now, as a person, he's just, he's, he's, is a lovable person.

Speaker 5 He is like, he just, like, Kyrie has moments where like he just gets real introspective and he kind of like just becomes like more like a, like he's kind of in his own space.

Speaker 5 and we know that as teammates and then there's times he's going to walk into the locker room and he's going to be the life of the party singing dancing doing you know we've seen the uncle drew everyone knows kai where he's got an amazing personality and then there's times where he just gets a little bit more to himself and that's just that's just that's just kai you know

Speaker 5 doing that and when you once you're a part of a team it's all about like hey like what do you need to go do what you need to go do hey do you need to be by yourself for 36 hours and kind of just be in your own space?

Speaker 5 You're not like yelling or being a dick. You're just kind of in your own space, headphones on, watching videos, not really talking that much.
And then you go out and score 35.

Speaker 5 I'm going to leave you alone. I'm going to leave you alone.
But like, that's the thing I think for guys that have played with Kyrie.

Speaker 5 Now, yes, is it, you know, has there been issues and stuff like that where like, you know, you want more consistency of your one of the greatest players that we've seen in this generation? Yes.

Speaker 5 But ultimately,

Speaker 4 a he is a good dude and i think he's more misunderstood than i think he'll ever get credit for yeah yeah uh the one thing i'm looking forward to that that isn't being talked about as much is the matchup between marcus smart and draymond green and not not necessarily that they'll be guarding each other but just the fact that these are guys that like big cat's talking about the x-factor these guys are wild cards right like they can they can help they can be the reason that their team wins and then they can be the reason why the game is delayed for like three and a half minutes, and no one can figure out what's going on in the court because everybody's fighting each other.

Speaker 4 So, I love players like that.

Speaker 4 I'm curious to know, like, which one of these guys, obviously, Draymond's done it before, and he's been there, and he's proven that he can step up when he's not kicking people in the dicks in the finals.

Speaker 4 But, like, between those two guys,

Speaker 4 which one do you think is going to have a bigger positive impact on the series?

Speaker 5 I think that Draymond is

Speaker 5 ridiculously important to everything that the Golden State Warriors are doing. But

Speaker 5 Marcus Smart will be in more positions to have a bigger impact, right? Like he's a scorer, right? So he's out there trying to score.

Speaker 5 Also, like there are multiple games where he led the Ball Celtics in shot last round.

Speaker 5 And then also defensively, he's going to be guarding Steph. He's going to be guarding Clay.
He's going to be guarding Wiggins. He's going to be guarding Poole.

Speaker 5 So he's just going to be in a position to make more plays.

Speaker 5 So I look at, you know, Marcus Smart being a key, key, you know, cog. Like Marcus Smart had great series, great series.
For Marcus Smart, I don't, I think it's going to be hard to beat the Celtics.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So he's more likely to help his team win.

Speaker 4 Would he also be the one that's more likely to help his team lose?

Speaker 5 Ooh, I would go with Draymond on that. And that's, you know, Draymond's my guy, but he's, he's been in that position before.

Speaker 5 Marcus Smart has never done anything like or hasn't got suspended during the postseason.

Speaker 5 So just purely going off prior history, I would say say that would be draymond yeah and draymond first of all i i gotta i got a little something with draymond draymond said something the other day yesterday and he goes look we have never been beaten whole we have never been beaten whole and i'm like thinking to myself um and i was on tick tock and we were doing lives when i first saw it i was like you were around for six of he was like well even in you know even in 16 when we lost i got suspended game five i'm like draymond you were there for six of the seven games yeah six of the seven games That's pretty damn whole.

Speaker 5 And if you're going to use that logic, which I never do, you're not going to say anything about when Kyrie hurt his knee when you guys won in 15 or Kevin Love not being there for the Cavs in 15.

Speaker 5 So that's not like, my thing is like, dude, you can't say, you know, we've never been beaten whole when you've beaten teams that weren't whole.

Speaker 1 And also that's just. Game seven at home.
They had game seven at home.

Speaker 4 And whose fault was it that Traymond missed that game? Yeah.

Speaker 1 And they had game seven at home. You can't say we ain't never never been beaten whole when you got beaten game seven at home.
That's it. You had a chance to win it right there.

Speaker 5 And you had, like, yeah, you got a chance to win it. You were the greatest team in NBA regular season history, which I believe they were.

Speaker 5 I believe that they were the greatest regular season team of all time.

Speaker 1 It don't mean a thing without a ring.

Speaker 4 That's the meanest thing to say. Like the way that you phrased it, it actually

Speaker 4 sounds like you're insulting them when you say they're the greatest regular season NBA team of all time.

Speaker 1 You're just making your ring bigger now.

Speaker 4 They won the president's trophy.

Speaker 1 Well, maybe,

Speaker 5 maybe but no no look

Speaker 5 those are my brothers and they are that's what made our championship so hard and so great is because we had to beat the two-time mvp the first unanimous mvp and the defending champions and the greatest regular season team that we had ever that that the nba had ever had i'm sorry like

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 you know just making your ring bigger i like that and the top i would be playing on that team i would do the same thing if i were you um

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Speaker 1 The NBA would love to have a nine-game series. You know Adam Silver is trying to figure out how to do it, like have it go all the way till September.
Game five and six canceled for COVID at halftime.

Speaker 1 No, four games are canceled at halftime for COVID.

Speaker 4 So that equals the extra two games.

Speaker 1 There we go. Yeah.

Speaker 1 There we go.

Speaker 5 Get that TV money.

Speaker 1 So give us your prediction. Come on.

Speaker 5 I'm going to.

Speaker 5 Warriors in seven in an overtime game seven.

Speaker 1 Wow. I, so I, I, I said Warriors in seven on Tuesday, and I've like, ever since that moment, I've just, everything that's gone in my head has been like, I think the Celtics are going to win.

Speaker 1 But I'm sticking with Warriors and Seven. But it is that good of a matchup.

Speaker 5 If the Celtics win, I would not bat nine.

Speaker 1 It's like, I could see it.

Speaker 5 Like, it's like, yo, it's, it's closer than people think.

Speaker 1 But yeah. Yeah.
They're good. Okay.
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He's going to be traveling for the finals. We appreciate you always and your time.

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Speaker 7 No problem.

Speaker 1 Thanks for having me. Also, a good friend of Patty the Batty.
So if you notice that accent, it is Liverpudlian.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Is that correct? Yeah, or Scowser.

Speaker 1 Scouser, Yowser. All right, now let's start there.
Do you have the same feelings that Patty has? That, like, when England's in the World Cup, you're not going to root for him?

Speaker 7 I'm a little bit different.

Speaker 7 So, I hate

Speaker 7 the government and I hate the monarchy.

Speaker 7 However, I hate England football fans, but I don't hate the footballers who are trying to play and win for us. Okay.
But my family is very Irish, so they would all support Ireland over England.

Speaker 4 You support the team. You support the lads.
The lads.

Speaker 1 When they play. That's it.

Speaker 4 You don't support the government that oversees the lads.

Speaker 7 No, I don't support anything other than that. They're just

Speaker 7 so much in our country's history has been great, but so much hasn't been. And I just think they're just rats.
And

Speaker 7 in all honesty, like

Speaker 7 in

Speaker 7 the 70s and 80s, and

Speaker 7 there were prime ministers out at the time, and their job was actually to

Speaker 7 break Liverpool down. And that's like, that Would be like Trump saying, I want to break Texas down, like let's destroy Texas.
And then 30 years later, it's come out in the documents.

Speaker 7 Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 7 That's like real life shit. So when Paddy says, I'm not English, I'm from the People's Republic of Liverpool.

Speaker 7 I think most of Liverpool is the same, to be honest.

Speaker 1 I mean, it's got an energy when you're around you and Paddy that it's just, it's awesome.

Speaker 1 And I know, obviously, you guys are fighters, but you're passionate people that, like, you have a vibe to you that's fun to be around.

Speaker 7 Yeah, certain places in the world, I think. Um,

Speaker 7 I think, like, poverty places make these kinds of people like

Speaker 7 you have to make the best of nothing, you have to see the silver lining in everything and be grateful for everything. So, when really amazing things happen like this, it just like blows your mind.

Speaker 7 Do you know what I mean? And you are grateful for the littlest thing, or just like a hi, how are you?

Speaker 1 Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 7 But we're also larger than life because shy kids don't get sweets, is what we would say.

Speaker 1 Hard times make for hard people. That's the one, yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so you've had a very successful career. We watched your fight back in March.
I think it was named you got like the fight of the month or something like that. Fight of the night, yeah.

Speaker 1 Definitely,

Speaker 1 it was like a month award that you got.

Speaker 4 It was like the best fight.

Speaker 7 I got that in September as well. Do you know when you just sign party after that fight? I got knocked out of the month and I was like, Dana, can I have another 50 grand, please?

Speaker 1 You can fuck off.

Speaker 4 So, when did you realise that you were just tougher than everybody? When did you realise that you liked to fight?

Speaker 7 Definitely when I was a kid. I was just skinny, scrawny, just little, but I just had to keep on keeping on.
And

Speaker 7 what I realized, I didn't stop fighting until a very late age. So, I started MMA at twenty-three.

Speaker 7 And what I had to like run with is

Speaker 7 hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. And I didn't have the fight IQ or the knowledge base that what some people had because they'd been doing it since they were 10, 11, 12.

Speaker 7 So I just used to have to run further, lift more, do more rounds. And it just made me into an absolute

Speaker 7 animal and a bit deluded in my brain, to be honest. Like, I would just go in thinking, I'm going to absolutely fucking kill you.

Speaker 7 It was only after I was humbled in the UFC where I was choked out that I didn't tap. I was like fitting on the floor.

Speaker 1 Oh, you didn't tap?

Speaker 7 Bitches tap. Wow.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 4 You and Jesus don't tap.

Speaker 7 Oh, Paddy. Scousers don't tap.

Speaker 1 Scousers. So you just, you literally blacked out?

Speaker 7 Lad, I'm like a fucking salmon going upstream.

Speaker 1 I gotta find this video. Molly

Speaker 7 first, Jillian.

Speaker 4 What was it feeling like when you get close to me? Well, I knew she was.

Speaker 1 Because you know that

Speaker 7 they get it in, right? Yeah, so she's on, and you see me put my hands, and then I go, fuck this. So then I just look at the sky.
Well, I'm like looking at the floor, actually. But

Speaker 7 I could just see the vision go like this, and then I woke up and I was all shaking.

Speaker 1 I was like, What's happened here?

Speaker 7 Like, what's going on? And then I look at me coach and I start coming round.

Speaker 1 And I go, I didn't get the tap, I didn't tap, I didn't tap, I promise you, I didn't tap.

Speaker 7 Because

Speaker 7 when you're a mouth like me and Paddy, and when you have a certain fighting style,

Speaker 7 you can only be that way when you're truly ready to give everything. And I just think if there was a 0.01% that her arm was going to gas, I knew I would have got up and punched the fucking head in.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 7 unfortunately that didn't happen. But me and Jillian, the girl who done it to me, she was the best and worst thing that ever happened to me.
But from that moment, we've been really good friends.

Speaker 7 I've been to corner here on fight week. Here, coach Dean Thomas coaches me.
Every

Speaker 1 this is savage. I'm watching it.
I know, yeah. You just got so choked out.
I know my eyes open. You didn't even think about tapping.

Speaker 7 My eyes were open as well. So I was asleep for five seconds before the referee even.

Speaker 4 Because he couldn't tell because you didn't even blink.

Speaker 1 I know. Going to play for UPFT.
It's crazy because there's like multiple moments where I'm like, wait, you got a tap right here, and you just went down with the ship.

Speaker 7 I know, it's a leg proper belly flop.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 4 There are moments when I'm watching a fight when somebody's not tapping, and I just assume if they're not tapping, it's because the hold isn't in properly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, that wasn't. Listen, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm rotting it out.

Speaker 7 So a rear naked choke, you would grab the bicep and then hide the other hand behind the head, but she switched it to a short choke.

Speaker 7 So, the way that you defend a rear naked is you would break that grip and then get rid of that one. But on the short choke, it's like the blades across, and you can't grab the hand to defend.

Speaker 7 So, it's pretty much you cleaned out. And

Speaker 7 she was as experienced at grappling as I was striking. So, if it stood up, I was going to knock her out.
And if it went to the floor, it was like Connor Verse could be.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying no, no, no, but but no, that's yeah, yeah, like it was, you know, Connor versus

Speaker 7 very similar.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you knew that once Connor went on the ground, it was going to be big-time trouble for him. Yeah, so

Speaker 1 what would you do, though, if it was an arm bar? Would you let your arm get broken? Probably, yeah. Oh, because, like, one thing to get, I mean, it's obviously badass.

Speaker 1 I would have tapped when, like, you could make me tap by just looking at me. I was like, all right, I'm out.

Speaker 1 But, like, the arm, if you're still conscious and you're like, I'm going to let my arm get broken, that's a different

Speaker 7 ball game. I've armballed two Brazilians and their arms hyperextended in the fight and they didn't tap.
Girls don't tap. They just.

Speaker 1 So wait, who does it? Who taps? Americans? No.

Speaker 7 No, no, no. What I mean is...

Speaker 1 French men.

Speaker 1 French men.

Speaker 7 Women have got more dexterity.

Speaker 7 I'm actually built like a lad with how much muscle I have, but like we... Like men don't bend as much.
Like their arm would probably stop their

Speaker 1 too many bicep curls.

Speaker 7 That's what I'm saying. Yeah, too much

Speaker 1 shuffle.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like you watch, I'm not saying women don't tap,

Speaker 7 but men will predominantly get more knockouts. You know what I mean? Right, with taps.
Yeah, and

Speaker 7 girls just tend to just fucking hold on in there. Like, we're not supposed to be here doing this, so you have to kind of try and defy the odds all the time.

Speaker 1 Okay, so weird question. And we had this debate.

Speaker 7 It was, I don't know, maybe a couple of months ago because there was a video that went viral of these two guys fighting in the street and one of them tried to tap and he was like why didn't you respect the tap i feel like you should respect the tap even in a street fight right yeah i mean like if you watch gypsies and travelers in england like bare knuckle boxing when one gets hit like um everyone has to move away and wait till he's standing up and you and they say are you bet are you like is are you beaten and if they say yeah then that's it yeah there's some some honor to it yeah but like life's not like that anymore is it Everyone's going out fucking stabbing people.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel like they should be able to tap at any point.

Speaker 4 I think the problem is if somebody is about to get tapped in a street fight, they're more likely, if you let them go, if they have a weapon, at that point they'll be so emasculated that they'll pull the weapon out and then you're fucked because you let them up.

Speaker 7 100%. I just fucking kick them in the teeth and choke them out.
Put them to sleep, put them in the recovery position, and then run away.

Speaker 4 So when you get into the ring, when you get into the octagon, are you thinking to yourself, do you get into war mode? Are you like, I want to kill this person?

Speaker 4 Because Because I was talking when we were watching the boxing match last week, and you see fighters at the top of their game, especially in boxing, but I assume it applies to MMA.

Speaker 4 When they get into a fight, it's hard to tell if they have that same rage that most people have when they get into an altercation or a fight, or if at the top level it's more about, okay, you've been here before, it's you're becoming a technician.

Speaker 7 I feel like it's horses for courses. So some people would be more methodical and have a more measured approach, and then then some people are all out chaos and just want to fight.

Speaker 7 I know if I have the mindset of you've only got to watch me out of weighing or watch me when they're saying my name the way that I look at them and I'm screaming, This is my fucking house.

Speaker 7 Like, I'm gonna fucking end you. Like, I have to.

Speaker 7 That's how I go to that place in my mind where I'm not gonna get beat. I have to think I've got to fucking kill her here now.

Speaker 7 Obviously, I'm not trying to kill her, but in my mind, if the shoe was on the other foot, if that girl in my last fight could have elbowed me and done that to me, she would have.

Speaker 7 I don't think I've never been in a fight with someone and they haven't tried apart from maybe Jillian and they haven't done something that's

Speaker 7 wavy of like a point deduction or cheating. Like everyone pulls me here, puts their eyes in, puts their fingers like in me in my braids or just does like I can feel like they've got like

Speaker 7 like lotion on where they're all slippery and like, do you know all shit like that

Speaker 7 or spits like the gummy out, or does like shit, all mad shit where that's just how they want to play. Yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah. Um,

Speaker 1 so how did you get your nickname?

Speaker 7 Do you know the sandwich shop Subway? Yes, so I was a sandwich artist there.

Speaker 1 So, when I was in college, I like that you use the word artist, that's what you are, yeah. Well, artiste, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 7 Um, I used to do the night shift in Subway, train in the morning at the gym, and then go to college. And, um, and that was like my life life for a few years.

Speaker 7 And uh, Paul Rimmer, mine and Paddy's coach, gave both of us our names, and they're possibly the best names, fight names in the whole of combat sport. I think, yeah, and they're the most authentic.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 my mum calls me meatball, my mint, like anyone down the street in Liverpool, what's happening, the meatball, anyone anywhere.

Speaker 7 I was saying to Dave, or I think I was saying to you the other day, even in nightclubs in New York or on the subway, hi, meet Paul Molly. That's just me, and it's just stuck.
Or it is Paddy the Baddy.

Speaker 7 It's not Patrick Pimbley. Right.

Speaker 1 Do you know what I mean? I mean, I love it. A good nickname goes a long way.
I mean, that's that's branding.

Speaker 7 Yeah, well, I was just saying today on the subway: when I move over to boxing after I finish MMA, oh, so is that the move? Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Will I still be meatball or will I have a new nickname?

Speaker 1 No, you have to be meatball.

Speaker 7 Yeah, what she said. Are you fucking with me?

Speaker 1 You can't turn your back on meatball.

Speaker 4 I got you this far. But you think you're too good to be meatball?

Speaker 7 No, what I didn't know. Like,

Speaker 7 I don't know if they'll embrace a meatball, but fuck fuck them anyway.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think you get a knockout on your belt and they'll call you whatever you want them to call you.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So so what's so like what's the transition gonna be? I mean you you clearly have it somewhat planned in your head.

Speaker 7 So um I started doing amateur boxing and when I was a kid and my weight category didn't get added to the Olympic Games.

Speaker 7 So I was like caught in you had three weight weight categories, and I was like, caught there,

Speaker 7 too big for this, too small for that. So it was Katie Taylor's weight was added, and she's like 135.

Speaker 7 And then 115 was added, but I fight at 125, so it was just too much. Right.
And

Speaker 7 so that's when I stopped. I went to college and then fell into MMA.
And I've just always had it in me. I would always come back.
But

Speaker 7 I think I've spent nine years of my life. I've won a world title the same as Paddy in Cage Warriors, but I feel like

Speaker 7 I need to touch the UFC belt. And I've said to the team, if there was ever a point where we didn't think that was possible, I wouldn't be doing MMA anymore because it's too hard.

Speaker 7 And I'm not going to do something where I can't be the best in the world. Right.
So I don't believe I can't be the best in the world, but if that ever happens, it happens, you're ready for boxing.

Speaker 1 So, so, like, realistically speaking, how many fights away are you from touching the bell?

Speaker 7 Well, I've got five wins inside the octagon, so I only think like two or three more.

Speaker 7 Like, if I had a push, like, if I had two really, really good wins, I need this next fight to be a win, and I need to fight a ranked opponent. And

Speaker 7 I'd see like

Speaker 7 a move to match room because Dana's really good friends with Eddie and

Speaker 7 Eddie here at Matroom. And I know Eddie would sign me in a heartbeat because I could sell out arenas in England, so yeah, yeah.
Um, and then the family connection with Katie Taylor, it's just all

Speaker 7 there, isn't it?

Speaker 4 Yeah, so yeah, so who, like, how is that shaping up right now in your division in UFC? Are there people that you think right now you could take?

Speaker 7 Like,

Speaker 7 without coming across arrogant, I feel as if I could beat everyone. I'm not saying some fights would be

Speaker 7 some fights would be a lot easier than others, and some fights I'd have to go into the trenches like stylistically because of it wouldn't make it wouldn't.

Speaker 7 I'm five foot three

Speaker 7 and as wide as I am tall, do you know? So, um,

Speaker 1 these girls are like five, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 These girls are five seven, five, eight, and fucking stick thin, but trying to get past them big knees and them kicks and them punches is hard.

Speaker 7 But what they lack sometimes is a big bit of strength for their cardio that then comes down, whereas mine will keep pushing and that kind of of thing.

Speaker 7 And I just have to have the Mike Tyson mentality where,

Speaker 7 or the Daniel Cormay mentality of think how small they were and how they had to fuck the biggest, baddest men on the planet.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I just take that in. And

Speaker 7 like

Speaker 7 if you're not, Shevchenko is untouchable,

Speaker 7 but if you don't think that you can beat them, then why the fuck are you here? Yeah. So I just think

Speaker 7 she could like give me a fucking paste them, but I could give her one too.

Speaker 1 Right. So you could beat anyone, that's on my like.

Speaker 7 I've really shown in the last two fights my evolution as a fighter.

Speaker 7 One, the one last September, I fought a game of a 10-inch reach advantage with my whole career on the line and absolutely fucked her with a broken hand and a torn LCL in my knee.

Speaker 7 And then that last fight,

Speaker 1 um,

Speaker 7 I fucking nearly killed the girl

Speaker 1 with the elbow. So, um,

Speaker 7 the trajectory is this. So, uh,

Speaker 7 my head isn't in the clouds.

Speaker 7 I'm right down there.

Speaker 7 Mine and Paddy's company keeps us grounded. We don't believe, I don't even believe the internet and all these kinds of podcasts and things don't really mean too much to me.

Speaker 1 We've been talking shit about it.

Speaker 1 We've been saying you can't do it.

Speaker 1 Do you like that?

Speaker 7 You come and shave that fucking hair off your head today.

Speaker 1 Do you like that?

Speaker 4 Do you like it when people doubt you?

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right, we'll do that for you.
You want us to do it? Yeah, yeah, we'll be doing it.

Speaker 7 much, though.

Speaker 1 No, you suck.

Speaker 1 You're too small. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, if you fight these top-of-the-line fighters that have that reach advantage, you know, it's one thing to do it against somebody that's not ranked in the top four, but like top-of-the-line, like Shevchenko, if you want to get inside, not only do you have to deal with her on the way in, but then when you go out, you have to deal with her punching you on the way out.

Speaker 4 I don't think that you have the stamina for that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think so either.

Speaker 7 I'm the one who's landed the most significant strikes in Audience.

Speaker 1 I mean, that doesn't have stats. That doesn't really count.

Speaker 1 Stats don't win fights. Is Is it true you got a metal plate put into your elbows?

Speaker 1 Is that true? I heard that.

Speaker 7 In both.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you were talking about like the lotion.

Speaker 1 Was that maybe rubbing off? It sounds like you know it's a little too well, yeah. And I was like, huh.

Speaker 1 We'll doubt you. We got no problem.

Speaker 4 We're actually very good at that. Some of our most successful friends are there because we said that they suck.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Well, I just like to be the underdog.
I feel like if you have seen any tape on me or documentaries on me, my whole life has just kind of been like an uphill battle.

Speaker 7 And when you're used to doing that from like this big,

Speaker 7 then it's just normal, you know?

Speaker 4 So I just think you should respect the monarchy a little bit more.

Speaker 1 You get to fuck it.

Speaker 1 Do you think it's weird that

Speaker 1 Americans are kind of obsessed with it?

Speaker 7 A little bit because

Speaker 7 not many people have it. So it's quite like

Speaker 7 it's nice in that part.

Speaker 7 But when you think about everything that they've done and the Commonwealth and how they, I always say the words wrong, colonialized the world and like raped and pillaged the world to own most of it.

Speaker 7 I don't know, I just don't really like that. And I think we've got a lot, my country has a lot to answer for, the same as yours does for the state of systemic racism and like

Speaker 7 all kinds of things like that. And I'm just not a fool.

Speaker 1 We were talking about the monarchy, okay?

Speaker 7 I know, but that's my son's.

Speaker 7 Use a fucking massive.

Speaker 4 We only did it because you guys were like,

Speaker 1 son, we're going to set your colony on us.

Speaker 4 Okay, hey, why are you doing who taught you to subjugate the poor people over there?

Speaker 7 Yeah, but what about that when you kicked us out, Boston Tea Party, and all that? Because you never let me fucking lift down whenever I come to America.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're one and oh, lifetime again. We got to go.

Speaker 1 1816.

Speaker 1 That kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I went the distance.

Speaker 1 It is weird, though. Like, everyone, you know, there's obviously a lot of

Speaker 1 the show. What was it? What was the show called? The Queen? No, The Monarch? What's the Netflix show? What's the show?

Speaker 1 The Crown. The Crown.
The Crown. Like, there's a lot of...

Speaker 7 I feel like you nearly fall in love with this.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's very bizarre to me.

Speaker 7 Because you see maybe the positive parts and

Speaker 7 they're humanized. Do you know what I mean? Like, you feel for the Queen for a minute because you think, oh, fuck.

Speaker 7 And then you feel, oh, well, Prince Charles really didn't love Diana and all this shit. And then you just think, oh, these are all a fucking gang.

Speaker 1 What the hell? Yeah, you guys have to do that. Listen, we do things the right way.
You guys have the monarch, we have the Kardashians. Okay.
Good, upstanding people. Well,

Speaker 4 we elect our leaders freely and fairly. You just have to go to either Harvard or Yale and have a dad that also went there and is mega-rich.
That's how we do it.

Speaker 4 But did you know that the queen owns every mute swan in the world?

Speaker 7 I did, yeah.

Speaker 1 You should kill a mute swan.

Speaker 7 No, because that's treason.

Speaker 1 Oh. That's what it called, isn't it? They'll hang you treason.

Speaker 7 Well, it doesn't mean they'll hang you anymore, but you will definitely go to prison for that.

Speaker 1 And what else does she own?

Speaker 4 She owns Corgis.

Speaker 1 Corgis. Oh, Corgis.
I like Corgis, though.

Speaker 7 She doesn't own them all, but she likes them.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 It is weird that we know this one random old lady that lives on an island that we'll never meet. We know her favourite dog.

Speaker 7 Yeah, well, the madness is, I was saying to quite a lot of you, like, we're not taught about world history very much. We're only really, it's the same as you

Speaker 7 Americans. We're only taught about the things we win.
It's very rarely the things that we lost on.

Speaker 7 And I was saying to Ellis,

Speaker 7 kids in England will know more states in America than they will counties in the UK. Really? So like the country is broke down into counties and then in the county is a city.

Speaker 7 So it's like a state, it's just a difference.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah. I always assumed that in England you were taught about America.
Like you know New York City because that's where all like cop TV shows are filmed.

Speaker 4 You know Texas because that's where cowboys live. And then all of California, it's a movie star.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And Michael Jordan. And Michael Jordan.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Well, I don't know.

Speaker 7 We were kids and everything was glamorized to us with you guys, and everything was bigger and better.

Speaker 7 Everyone in England always wanted the American dream. Do you know what I mean? And I was saying to Ellis, like,

Speaker 7 I remember coming to

Speaker 7 the first time I came to America, I was 12. It was like September the 11th, 2002.
So it was the first anniversary.

Speaker 7 And I remember coming to International Drive in Florida, and I I was there for two weeks, and I was just like, What the? Could you imagine being like a mini meatball?

Speaker 7 Like, it was like a baby six-inch,

Speaker 7 it was like a baby six-inch sub, and I was just like going around universal on the Hulk ride, and fucking just walking down the street.

Speaker 7 And then there's like Spider-Man, it's just like, and I was like, What? You're like, America's crazy, and I was like, This is fucking awesome. And then

Speaker 7 I came back again when I was 19 to work. I was a soccer coach in Virginia, and I got to see like all of the East Coast.

Speaker 7 And I always remember the first time I came to New York, I got the Greyhound from DC up, and it was like four o'clock in the morning by the time I got here.

Speaker 7 And it must have been like a Tuesday or a Wednesday, but like the streets were dead, and all there was was like the odd yellow cab because Ubers wasn't around then.

Speaker 7 Yeah, Instagram wasn't even a thing, it was just Facebook. And I just remember looking, and I think Empire State of Mind song had just come out, like that album for Jay-Z had just been released.

Speaker 7 And I just remember thinking, fucking hell, this really is amazing. And then I went to Las Vegas, and I was like,

Speaker 7 this is not a bit of me. I was like, get me back to New York.

Speaker 7 But then coming back this time, it's quite tough because I feel like the pandemic has really had its way with Manhattan.

Speaker 7 And it's like, it's really sad because

Speaker 7 I've seen more of the rest of New York. Like, we've spent quite a lot of time in Brooklyn and like the other parts.
But I feel like Manhattan was where the dream once was.

Speaker 7 And I don't know if it's there anymore.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's definitely the vibe has definitely changed a little bit just because, I mean, it, yeah,

Speaker 7 like everyone's money, like, no one has got the money. Everyone, it's the same in England, like, so many independent businesses are fucked from it, but everyone's time it comes round again.

Speaker 7 Do you know what I mean? So, there'd be a resurgence, but it was so nice to see different parts.

Speaker 7 I think we were in Chelsea and Soho, and yeah, we got to, like, obviously, I'm gay, and I got to go to the Stonewall Inn where Pride started yesterday.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and it was like, it was really great to see that that kind of thing

Speaker 7 and do my first pizza review yesterday.

Speaker 1 What you guys did?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Bleaker Street Pizza. Wait, you did it with Dave or no? No, I was just drunk and done it myself.

Speaker 1 What was the score?

Speaker 4 It was Bleaker Street. Was it John's a Bleaker or was it just the Bleaker Street one?

Speaker 7 It was just Bleaker Street, wasn't it?

Speaker 4 You got a slice?

Speaker 1 I got a slice.

Speaker 7 It was 8.6, but I was really, really drunk.

Speaker 1 It was not a rookie score.

Speaker 7 No, I was really, really drunk. But the only downfall was it was really floppy.

Speaker 1 Apart from that,

Speaker 4 you had giant slices there.

Speaker 7 Massive. They're huge.
And then Kevin Bacon walked in.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. New York resident.
I know. Full-time.
The ghost man.

Speaker 4 Where are the best crowds that you've seen? All the places you've fought.

Speaker 7 Boston,

Speaker 7 Greenville, in South Carolina. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And I don't think you ever beaten London. That last, that one that you watched.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was incredible.

Speaker 7 I'm not going to lie to you yet.

Speaker 7 I've been to so many events, and I feel like Brazil and maybe England, because we have a massive soccer culture or football culture back home, like everyone chants and sings a lot, and it's not just like, let's go, meatball, to know, like a very American shout, like we've got songs and

Speaker 7 the atmosphere. When I walked out, I just was like, fucking hell, like

Speaker 7 meatball, you need to go and put the show your life on because it costs a lot. Like, no one one always thinks about the price.
And when you're a working class person,

Speaker 7 the tickets were like people were like remortgaging houses to go, and then you got a price, and then like

Speaker 7 an alcoholic beverage is about $20. Do you know what I mean? And it's just, yeah, it all adds up.
It's about a grand just for fucking five hours a fight. So I feel like you must match that always.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's great.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's all fans want is for, you know, to because you go to a fight, and there'll be times when the fighters, you know,

Speaker 1 the fight game's hard because there's sometimes there's cards and there's nothing you can do about it and people don't really understand that.

Speaker 1 But there's other times where it's like, oh, that fight sucked because those fighters didn't really want to throw hands and they were, you know, more defensive. So

Speaker 1 you're the people's champ.

Speaker 7 That's what they say. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Do you have a song that's written about you?

Speaker 7 I think I do, actually, yeah.

Speaker 7 I've been sent a few whilst I've been in America, but I've just been like,

Speaker 7 fuck, just let me just go and enjoy myself. Like, life since landing in New York hasn't stopped.
It was only

Speaker 7 Monday. I literally slept all 18 hours because I've been doing media training.

Speaker 7 Drinking. Drinking and dancing.
Like, I've been doing 3,000 calories in a club in five hours on the dance floor. That's like more than I'd done when I ran like a marathon.
Yes, that's amazing.

Speaker 4 What is your training like?

Speaker 1 Here. Yeah.
Just dancing.

Speaker 7 Just dancing, really.

Speaker 1 Just go out.

Speaker 7 No,

Speaker 7 I'm going to Phoenix tomorrow for three days. I've got three days' worth of training in the lab with

Speaker 7 Courtney Casey and with Dean Thomas gonna say hello. And then in San Diego, I've got about nine days of training with Jay Flo and a few of the fighters from Paddy will be there, yeah.

Speaker 7 Me and Paddy, I'm gonna be living with him from tomorrow.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 okay, so like all right, yeah, you guys get along, always, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 7 Like, we have got a really good relationship, and um, we've done this since before we were world champions, and we've done this before the losses, and we've done this before the highs.

Speaker 7 And we've said this from the beginning. When me and him fight, it's always different.
Like, back in the day in Liverpool, we'd sell six, seven thousand tickets together.

Speaker 7 And like, you have some pro boxing cards that could never, could never, ever sell that many t uh tickets.

Speaker 7 And you listen to the crowd when we fight, it's just it's a different ballgame, but it's just'cause we're so different, I suppose. And

Speaker 7 um, only we know what it's like to be living through what we're living through. Yeah.
And, like, my girlfriend and his fiancé really get on. So,

Speaker 7 and our coach Ellis and his

Speaker 7 baby mum, Michaela, we've got like a good, strong little six of us, and

Speaker 7 it's good. There's no jealousy, there's no, oh, what about me? It's like, go on, go on.
That's awesome. Even when I win a fight, I'm singing his name in my post-fight interview.

Speaker 1 Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and it's great that, yeah, both of you are with us at Barstalls.

Speaker 4 Are you close enough to him to be able to comfortably say, hey, Patty, I love you.

Speaker 4 You got to do something about the hair.

Speaker 7 I just really love his hair, but I do tell him if he's wearing like shit trainees or why are you wearing that top lad? Like, you've got loads of money, you're going to buy a new one, but he won't.

Speaker 7 It's just the way that he is. It's just who he is.

Speaker 1 That's funny. I love that about him, though.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 He's a minge bag.

Speaker 1 He's a binge bag. He's a binge bag.

Speaker 4 That's what I like about you, and what I like about Patty is you guys are you seem like you're the most down-to-earth people in the world.

Speaker 1 Authentic, yeah, very authentic.

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Speaker 1 Dana White is a big listener of this show, longtime recurring guest. Do you want to call someone out?

Speaker 7 Well, I've got someone on July 23rd, so I'll fuck that one first. Okay.
And then

Speaker 7 we'll go from there. Okay.
But Dana, let's get super boxing going in a few years.

Speaker 1 Why not? Yeah.

Speaker 4 So it's interesting when you're talking about making the transition to boxing. You're a striker in the UFC.
You are known for throwing some hard punches.

Speaker 4 What's the difference between being an excellent striker in MMA and then being good enough at striking to be a boxer?

Speaker 7 When I box and spa, and

Speaker 7 this is a hand on heart, I fight totally different when I box than how I do when I'm in the MMA cage.

Speaker 7 I'm not fighting someone who's fucking five foot eight who cuts 20 pounds on fight week. Like boxers just make weight different.
So everyone's built like me and is my size.

Speaker 7 So the fight is a lot easier.

Speaker 7 I shouldn't say a lot easier, it's just a lot easier to overcome just hands instead of knees and kicks and elbows.

Speaker 1 Right, um,

Speaker 7 and striking within MMA, it took me

Speaker 7 until the last two fights to realize striking for MMA and how to do that efficiently because too much you're trying to build too much of a style.

Speaker 7 And then, what we did is we just sat me down, and when I'm under pressure, we see what I respond with, and then we see my opponent and see how we can just chain a little pattern to be able to beat them instead of being like, be more like this, be more like this, be more like this.

Speaker 7 So, but that was just where I came into the game really late. So, it was like,

Speaker 7 I don't know, nine fights I had in total to get to the UFC. So, I like I've learned a lot on the job.
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 So, July 23rd, and we'll be watching.

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Try not to throw any elbows at anyone tonight.

Speaker 7 I don't know. We're going to a gig.
We're going to watch an English rapper called Dave. Okay.
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Speaker 1 Right now. Okay, let's wrap up.
We got Fire Fest of the week. Send you on your way.
Hank, Firefest of the Week.

Speaker 1 My Fire Fest, I've sneezed

Speaker 1 in the last three days upwards of like 300 times. Okay.
And sneezing.

Speaker 4 You have allergies.

Speaker 1 I have allergies bad i just took a live cova test it came back negative let's go thank god i was a little nervous um

Speaker 1 took that earlier in the show

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 sneezing in public has got to be like the most awkward oh it's so taboo now

Speaker 1 and it always was taboo though but it's real sneezing when you're driving i think is super dangerous like i don't know what the stats are and they probably wouldn't be able to figure out like the cause of death because you know they're probably driving by themselves but people probably die sneezing on the road like it's a very dangerous thing and sneezing i i sneezed i was on the train and i get these like sneezing spurts where i sneeze like five times in a row and you guys know my sneeze a little bit loud and it's just so awkward like it's just so like unless you have a handkerchief which i didn't have one like you're just sneezing into your like sweatshirt it's gross or your hands which is gross and but there's nothing you can do yeah like you can try to hold it in but when you have allergies like i've had allergies this past couple days there's nothing you can't do the pineapple thing you can't do the like look up or whatever it's the pineapple thing?

Speaker 4 You think about pineapple?

Speaker 1 No, you just say pineapple.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You say pineapple.

Speaker 1 I thought you thought about pineapple. No, I think if you say pineapple, it stops you from sneezing.
Oh, I thought I was thinking about pineapple. That's that's a Pete.

Speaker 1 I think it's a Pete and repeat thing. Is it? It's a throwback show, yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, no, the adventures of Pete and Pete.

Speaker 1 Pete and Pete, yeah.

Speaker 4 So repeat. Hank, if you have like a mask, you can put the mask on, and then the mask becomes your handkerchief.

Speaker 1 Didn't have a mask. So you were just sneezing, raw dogging sneezes in everyone's face.
Yeah, wow, that was fucking up. No, that is taboo.

Speaker 4 That's a lot of people's fire fest, I'm sure. It's like I was sitting next to Hank Lockwood on the train.

Speaker 1 It wasn't a busy train, thankfully, but like it was still, you know. Oh, you had some people who were like, kill this man.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I would say even pre-COVID, it's still like one of the more awkward things you can do.

Speaker 1 How many people do you think use allergies as just a cover for being sick? I feel like every time I'm like, well, are you sick? There's like allergies.

Speaker 1 Well, I know when I'm sick, but like, I don't, when I'm sick, I don't sneeze sneeze 500 times in two days.

Speaker 4 Right. Isn't being sick just like being allergic to a certain germ, too?

Speaker 1 Yeah. So I guess it's true.
It's always allergies. Like, I do know people do that.
There are people that are like, pollen's bad. And I'm always like, oh, yeah, sure.

Speaker 4 Like, I never January.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. What are you talking about?

Speaker 4 We're in Greenland, sir.

Speaker 4 No, but Hank, isn't there... So you were talking about the handkerchief, the people that carry around handkerchiefs.
I feel like I've never seen anybody below the age of 50 use a handkerchief.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would even say like 60.

Speaker 1 It seems like it honestly seems like the grossest thing ever to just like have a piece of cloth that you carry around that you just put your snot on and literally put it back in your pocket it's literally before kleenex were invented yeah yeah you're holding on you're holding on but then this morning i like what i guess what if you don't have a mask and you don't have a handkerchief you're just sneezing everywhere right yeah it's brutal all right better not sneeze around me like vince i'll vince mcmahon you yeah no problem imagine if you're around vince mcmahon right now you would actually have to dead i'd have to excuse myself yes um all right pfd your Fire Fest?

Speaker 4 Yeah, my Fire Fest is so my 11-year-old plays travel baseball. So we had a travel baseball tournament.
And first of all, most umpires I get along with.

Speaker 1 Wait, what kind of, what level of it's high-level travel baseball. Where is this?

Speaker 4 Well, it was in the Nashville area, and a huge percentage of them, not surprisingly in the Nashville area, either listen to or currently listen to our show.

Speaker 4 So if you're an umpire right now and you're listening, odds are I'm going to get along with you fine. So here's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Do you get along with umpires generally?

Speaker 4 I get along fine with umpires. Most of them are listeners to my show.
It's very successful.

Speaker 1 Wait, can I ask you? So here's what happened in the scenario.

Speaker 1 Is your son a good hitter?

Speaker 4 My son's a great hitter. My son's a great hitter.
Here's what happened in the scenario. Playing an early morning Sunday game, supposed to start at 9.45.
Play the first half inning.

Speaker 4 The umpire at home play disappears. Okay? Disappears.
I've never seen this happen before. He had to go to the bathroom.
Oh. So he starts to...

Speaker 1 Could there be multiple umpires if it's such a high-level Little League game?

Speaker 4 And I've never seen this before. He had to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 1 I feel like if it was as high level as you say, there would be multiple things. It's high level.

Speaker 4 So he starts for like 10 minutes after the first half inning. There's a 30-minute break.
No game going on before this, by the way. Okay, no game going on before this.

Speaker 1 Oh, so he could have gone to the bathroom before? He could have gone to the bathroom.

Speaker 4 10 minutes in, he decides, yes, you go to the bathroom. 10 minutes in.
It's hot. Everyone's standing on the field.
Everyone's waiting to go for the bathroom for like 10 minutes.

Speaker 4 I've never seen that happen before. Every guy goes to the bathroom for 10 minutes.
All right. You're going to the bathroom for 10 minutes.
You're making everybody wait.

Speaker 4 Better come back and do a decent job. He gets back almost immediately.
He stops the game because a kid has a little small gold necklace with a cross on it, and he's about to come up to bat.

Speaker 4 And he makes the kid.

Speaker 4 He makes a kid take the cross necklace off and go hand it to his mom.

Speaker 1 This is probably why there's so many guns in our world because religion is dead.

Speaker 4 So we're all standing around waiting on this guy who's gone to the bathroom. He makes a kid take a gold cross off, all right?

Speaker 1 Wait, a necklace or it was a gold cross.

Speaker 4 He made the kid take a gold cross off, all right?

Speaker 4 It's only a six-inning game, by the way. So the game, I think it's 3-2.
My 11-year-old is up to bat, 2-0 count.

Speaker 4 Pitcher throws a ball. Their runners in second, third, two outs.

Speaker 1 Basically, a one-run game.

Speaker 4 Pitch comes in, it's a ball. Catcher pops up, throws the third.
Ball gets to third with no issue. The runner who's on third, gets back, has no issue at all.

Speaker 4 He calls my son out for batter interference, all right? So if you've ever been to a little league game.

Speaker 1 Wait, did he? Was he interfering? He calls my son out for batter interference, right?

Speaker 4 If you've ever been to a little league game, I've been to hundreds. Yeah.
I've been to a lot of college and major league baseball games. I've never seen this call.

Speaker 1 See, that's, you know, PFT, like, I know, I know you've seen and been to a lot of games, but I remember back in my day, like, that was a relatively common call. Hundreds.

Speaker 1 Like, obviously, I go to a lot of major league baseball games. Someone firing down to the third base guy to try and, you know, pick a guy off isn't super common.

Speaker 1 But when that does happen, if a pitcher's, if a batter's, you know, in the batter's box or in the way of the catcher, like, that's not a, that's not a crazy thing. There's zero issues.

Speaker 1 The ball gets to third, not remotely close play. Is there any chance that this ump doesn't like your son because he most likely has lice?

Speaker 4 The third-base umpire called my son out for batter interference. 2-0 pitch.
The pitcher's about to make a 2-0 count. Runners on second and third.
One-run game.

Speaker 4 He ends the inning, calling batter interference on my son, who's a right-handed batter, who's right there in the batter's box, and he doesn't even get in the way. There's no issues.

Speaker 4 Calls him out for batter interference, ends the inning. I'm staying behind home plate, all right?

Speaker 4 And by the way, on the other team, after this calls two other kids because on foul balls they let the back go and started to run to first base dangerous okay he called two kids out for that so it's six inning game he calls almost 10 of the batters out for violations he calls my son out i say you've got to be kidding me it's exactly what you said what i said

Speaker 4 i said you've got to be kidding me no swear i said you've got to be kidding me the umpire comes undone he rips the cap off his head the inning's over and he's like you can talk about this on the radio if you want but you can't talk to me like this with me here You're gone.

Speaker 4 So he throws me out, so I'm sitting there, by the way, I'm with my dad and mom.

Speaker 1 Wait, did you swear or not? Wait, Marlin's man was there?

Speaker 1 No, I forgot to mention, like, I got kicked out of it.

Speaker 4 My dad and mom were right next to me.

Speaker 1 And I thought you said you got to be fucking kidding me.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I listen. I said, I said what I said.
The thing is,

Speaker 4 you're getting paid. The kids aren't getting paid.
You should do as little as possible to actually influence the game. You've called three people out for violating rules.

Speaker 4 I've never seen anybody called out for a little league. This is a tournament, by the way.
Okay? Yeah. So these are pretty good players.
You know,

Speaker 1 it's not like it's low level.

Speaker 4 It's not like it's low level little league. I mean, it's fairly high level little league, but you're getting paid.
You're professional.

Speaker 4 So you should, in my opinion, be held to professional standard if you're getting paid. I don't care who the other people are.
You should be held to professional standard.

Speaker 4 So another guy comes over, like, don't get into a big argument with him. And look, you can say, oh, you should have said, you know, whatever.
I react naturally like I would. It's an unbelievable call.

Speaker 4 It was unbelievable. So I don't even know what this guy's name is, says you can talk about it on the radio show if you want.
And I don't care who these boys' daddies are. Like, screw you, dude.

Speaker 4 All right, you're a loser. You're a really crappy job.
So, his supervisor comes on and says, Just so you know, I need you to walk over. Can you watch from the sideline? Then I watch from the sideline.

Speaker 4 Listen, you could have decided that the play went on a perfectly fine throw to third was made, kids back safely. So, why are you calling the batter out on it?

Speaker 4 If you're so power hungry, you have to call the kids out for minor violations of the rule.

Speaker 4 And frankly, where there aren't even rule violations, because I guarantee if we sent the tape in to whoever this loser's boss is, they would say, Yeah, he's in the wrong.

Speaker 4 So, it's like in the NFL, they send the tape and they say, Yeah, we hold you accountable no matter how old the kids are, no matter how old the kids are playing.

Speaker 4 That's the exact opposite of what an umpire should be doing. So, that's my firefest of the week.
Wow, I got kicked out of my son's little league.

Speaker 1 Sounds like you're a hero.

Speaker 1 How many people are going to listen to that and be like, We don't have any clue what's going on?

Speaker 1 That kid,

Speaker 1 that kid, um that umpire like he's he should be he should lose his job yeah agreed i mean yeah you got paid to be an umpire you should be paid because of your job no one no one does the cell phone self-own

Speaker 1 not cell phone quite like clay well the funny is i was saying it like the him and him and revell are enemies but they're actually the same people oh yeah like they self-owned more than anyone yes like the i mean like it just made me immediately think about the fact that he willingly was like they didn't let me on a plane because my kids had lice.

Speaker 1 I just openly gave that up to everyone.

Speaker 4 Yeah, not only did that happen, but he wrote like 3,000 words about it. Yeah.
About his kid having lice.

Speaker 4 And honestly, if you read that, most people's reaction was, wow, good job by the airline, not letting somebody with lice sit in one of their seats.

Speaker 1 But it's just three generations of his family watching him getting kicked out of a little league game.

Speaker 1 I don't care how bad an ump is in a little league game. If you get kicked out of a little league game,

Speaker 1 it says so much more about you than anyone else.

Speaker 4 yeah that's that's a fair point hank it was fairly high it was fairly high level the tournament and his son was hitting well and he was like i have relationships good relationships with umpires like why are you as a fan having any relationship with any umpire at any level yeah now if like you're not a coach if you were that's that's a great point hank if you were like an opposing parent watching the games if you were an opposing parent who also had a radio show and you saw that Clay Travis was out here bragging about the relationship he had with these umpires and how he's got a good relationship, you would probably want to go on your own radio show to say how that's bullshit that Clay is influencing the umpires.

Speaker 1 He is. He also had a great, you know, his spin zone the next day on Twitter when everyone was dunking on him.
He was like, Oh, this is the blue checkmark McGreed

Speaker 1 are triggered and outraged at these backs. He's like, No, we're like, you're just nothing to do about politics.
This is just as basic as it gets.

Speaker 1 You just sat and like bragged about getting kicked out of a little league game.

Speaker 4 When people are mad, that's how you know that you're over the target.

Speaker 1 And thought that everyone would be like, Oh my god, God, you're right. That umpire sucks.
Like,

Speaker 1 what? You've got to be fucking kidding me. You have to tell us that the umpire struck a child for us to be like, yeah, you know what?

Speaker 4 Good job. Like, umpires have a shitty job.

Speaker 1 Dude, like, sucks.

Speaker 1 The guy had diarrhea for partying too much the night before. He was out in the sun, you know, umpiring all these kids that are probably not good at baseball because they're 11.

Speaker 1 And he probably thought he was going to be able to make it through the game. And then after the first half inning, he was like, no.

Speaker 1 I might as well just do this now because I'm not making it six innings.

Speaker 4 You know how embarrassing that would be too for the umpire to have to like pause the entire game and then leave and then be on the toilet for 30 minutes yeah you're like everybody knows i'm shitting right now you can't even hide that also breaking news running fitzpatrick just retired oh damn

Speaker 1 he'll be back yeah bro that's that's not a real retirement no chance halfway through the season somebody gets hurt no chance no chance um all right my fire fest i i actually uh it's a pre-fire fest my son's graduation i'm putting in quotes because it's how do you graduate from being two years old?

Speaker 1 But they invited me to the graduation and they're like... speech? No, I'm not kidding.
No, but they were

Speaker 1 the commencement speech. No, it was very funny because in the email, it was like, please make sure they're up to date on Mr.
Sun, Mr. Sun, Mr.
Golden Sun.

Speaker 1 And so I think that's all they're going to do for their graduation.

Speaker 1 But I'm going to cry for sure.

Speaker 4 Do you know the song?

Speaker 1 I won't be singing. I think it's them.
The kids have to sing.

Speaker 4 Oh, but you have to make sure he's up to date on the song.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they were like, they were like, here's his homework. Yeah, so you have to sing.
No, he doesn't know any of the words.

Speaker 1 No, he is my son because every time I ask him to do something he doesn't want to do, he just says, I'll do it tomorrow. So it's like, it's, yeah, I mean, I'm looking in the mirror.

Speaker 1 Your father's son, yeah. Yeah, it's like, this is, you are, I can't be mad at you.
You're actually smarter than me.

Speaker 1 You figured out this life hack at two and you know, almost three years old that you just keep saying tomorrow and tomorrow will never come.

Speaker 4 So as far as the graduation goes,

Speaker 4 he's literally graduating to being three. Yes.

Speaker 1 Is it I was shocked when I got the email, but I'm going to be going to to the graduation and I'm sure, like, it's an absolutely ridiculous thing on paper.

Speaker 1 And then I know the minute I step in the white lines, I will be crying. Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's cool, though. I feel like, I feel like most parents are crying that type of situation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, there's nothing I can do. I'm going to cry.
I'm going to cry, but it is a total, a total, like, I saw the invite on our countertop that said graduation.

Speaker 1 I was like, what is he graduating from? He's not even in school. Yeah.
It's just three hours a day.

Speaker 4 By the time you get there, you're just going to be like inside your own mind. You're going to be hearing the song Landslide by Whitwood Max.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 4 yeah, you're gonna turn into a fucking no, probably cats in the cradle.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Hank. Remember that? I'll never forget it.

Speaker 1 We have a great change.

Speaker 1 All right, numbers:

Speaker 4 13 26.

Speaker 1 No, 18. 18, banner 18.
I'm gonna go

Speaker 4 19

Speaker 1 69.

Speaker 1 No, 61. That would have been awesome.
Do a fake Billy fact.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 yeah.

Speaker 1 I don't think Billy will hear this. Someone sent me

Speaker 1 a Reddit thread that was like,

Speaker 1 post your most fun animal fact.

Speaker 1 And I want to start tracking

Speaker 1 how consistently

Speaker 1 I'm using them.

Speaker 4 Do you have the thread?

Speaker 1 I'll find it for

Speaker 1 next week. I'll send it to you guys.

Speaker 4 Also, my second Firefest of the week is I got mistaken for a woman again. Still got it.

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