Randy Moss, Eddie Hearn & Chris Paul Might Be Good

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It's going to be incredible today is friday may 6th and pft i think we got a problem i think we've got a big time problem um the fact that chris paul might be no chris paul might be good at basketball yeah so i think he's confirmed good at basketball that That's never been the problem about Chris Paul, Big Cat.

Chris Paul's always been good.

In fact, the word good is the perfect word.

That's a good word to describe Chris Paul.

He's good.

I put out one of those tweets.

I did one of these gotta go, and I put LeBron, Kareem, Chris Paul, and MJ on there.

People still think that Chris Paul's the one that's gotta go, so he's good he's not great yet but I mean uh he looks unstoppable he he what he did to the Mavericks in the fourth quarter last night was and he's been doing it he's been doing it all season he's been doing his whole career where basically the first half he basically figures everything out gets everyone else involved and then in the fourth quarter he's got it all figured out. He dices and slices everyone to insane, insane precision.
It was crazy to watch. They went into the fourth quarter last night.
The Suns had a six-point lead. There were ten possessions to start the fourth quarter.
The Suns went eight for eight on those possessions. Chris Paul personally went six for six with two assists so he basically just he demolished the Mavericks by himself by being Chris Paul in like a five minute span it started like I said they were up six with four minutes left they were up 24 it was like it happened like that and I'm starting to get nervous because everyone who listens to this show knows that we love takes more than anything and just because all the facts will show us something different doesn't mean we'll get off a take and i can enjoy chris paul because i did it was an incredible performance but i really don't want to lose this take i don't want him to win a championship and then we can't have this take that's very fun to to throw around and just pretend that it's all about rings even though we know in the back of our heads Chris Paul is an incredible incredible point guard in like top top three whatever four point guard of all time listen we will never apologize for a take on this show we'll never make an excuse for it that's the part in.
But I think that Chris Paul, in a weird way, I would kind of like him to destroy this take. I'm almost in a weird way.
I'm almost rooting for him because like at the end of the day, I think we have always acknowledged that Chris Paul is an awesome basketball player. We just like rooting for the fact that there's a narrative out there against him.
And it's fun to talk about. If I'ms i would think about doing load management in the playoffs but not by load managing chris paul i would start to worry about like load managing all the other good players around chris paul so that they're less likely to get hurt so that chris paul won't then have that excuse later like it's almost time to be like you know what we're gonna sit booker and ay for this game because we've looked so dominant, and we just want to reduce the amount of time that they have

to get injured and then give Chris Paul another excuse to not win a championship.

It also is an issue. I love that idea.

It's an issue that comes down to it's very relatable in sports fandom and especially in friendship.

Ryan Russillo has made it to a point where it's like, I want Chris Paul to fail because I know how much it matters to him. And that's really what, like, if you break down, like what male friendship is about, it's essentially like rooting for your other friends to fail in, not like fail in a terrible, terrible way, like their life ruin, but the thing they love in sports, you want to see it fail so that you can laugh at them.
That's what it's all about. What we're rooting for is to have an ability to bust Ryan Rosilla's balls forever about something.
It's really like we will be 95 years old. Ryan will be still probably waking up at 6 a.m.
chugging whey protein. He'll make the retirement home install a squat rack in there for him.
And'll be 90 years old and still dropping in being like hey Ryan you remember when Chris Paul choked away a playoff series in 2022 after you called him your son yeah and he'll be like all I'm gonna come visit you and he'll do advanced analytics it'll be like and how many championships does he have and it's no different than when we talk about it when any of our teams are making a run we I think we all deep down root for uh our you know I root for PFT teams or Hank's teams or Billy's team well the Jets don't matter but Jake's teams to make a run but eventually fail because that's the fun in it like it's it's fun to see your friends happy for a little bit but you also want to see them terribly terribly upset at sports and that's the fun in it. It's fun to see your friends happy for a little bit, but you also want to see them terribly, terribly upset at sports, and that's really what it all boils down to.
I think it also has something to do with the fact that we know eventually, subconsciously, my friends' teams are eventually going to be good at sports. There's something good that will eventually happen to them.
So I'm almost rooting for them to be miserable now, knowing that they'll get their shot in the future. Like with Jake, I'm sure that the Panthers will win a Stanley Cup, but it's too early for him.
The metrics have shown that already. So I want him to have to suffer through what I suffered through before he reaches that mountaintop.
Right, and you want to build up everyone. You almost want them to get so confident and then have it all come crashing down because those are the moments we live for i mean that's this is again this is like the when you when you just boil down friendship you want your friends to again fail in a sport not fail in life but fail in this type of situation to a point where you can just laugh in their face and they have no comeback that's there's no better gift you can give your friends than have that happen to one of your teams.
So really, Priscilla's being selfish. He's selfish if Chris Paul wins a championship because he's robbing us of what makes us happy.
So yeah, that would be a selfish human being. I just described a selfish human being.
But unlike us, who we're rooting for his team to fail, not because it makes us feel better,

but because it would actually strengthen our friendship over the long term

because it's something good to bounce back.

You know what it is?

It's also an excuse to text your friends sometimes.

Guys, we don't talk that much.

But when one of their teams absolutely fucks up,

it's an excuse to pop in and be like,

hey, you asshole, you see what just happened?

And that's our way of saying, I love you.

Yeah, you good? Yeah, exactly. Family good good all right cool yeah um we should also talk about in this game luka donchich i've never seen anyone get picked on star player get picked on the way he got picked on down the stretch i think i saw the stat i think they hunted him in pick and roll 50 times in that game.
It was in like, they were so incredibly efficient every single time they went after him. At one point I was like, cause he went in the locker room.
I don't know. You know, he obviously is dealing with his hamstring, but I, if I were him, I would have just said I'm hurt and just left.
You know what I mean? That's, you can't, it was so obvious they were doing every single time. And it was so obvious that Luca had no answer.
And I will remind everyone, Mavs fans and Luca fans, he's 23 years old. So like to be like, hey, he'll never get better.
It's crazy. But last night was it was it was essentially the Suns.
Like we're personally like we are going to embarrass Luca on a national stage time and time again. We're not even going to take a possession off.
We're not even going to give him like, ooh, this is actually bad. That was what it felt like.
It felt personal, and it felt very embarrassing for Luka. There's one team that can take advantage of him like that's the Suns too.
That's like what they do best is they find guys, and they do the pick and roll. And then when I was watching Luka struggle to defend, he's back to like 20, 20 heavy legs Luka.
You remember that when he had that like one stretch when his legs just looked like his center of gravity shrunk by about like three inches. And he doesn't look healthy.
He doesn't look like he's able to move around. He looks like he's trying to play defense in quicksand.
And yeah, the Suns, I do feel bad for him, but what are you going to do? It's not like you don't really have any other options if you're the Mavericks. The pick and roll, when done properly, is impossible to defend in the first place.
And the Suns do it as good as any other team does it. And they just happen to be going up against maybe the worst person to defend the pick and roll.
So they're just kind of fucked. Yeah, they're fucked.
And the one spins I want to throw out there for Luka fans and Mavs fans, Luka has set himself up perfectly for a season or two from now to be in the best shape of his life. To be like, I've changed my diet.
I got a new nutritionist. I put a million dollars into my training.
Like he, it's actually, I'd almost be like sleeping okay at night if I were a Mavs fan. If Luka were shredded right now and was getting shredded, I'd be very nervous, but it's clearly he can get in better shape.
So you always have that in your back pocket. It's actually a great lesson in life of why you should always stay a little bit overweight because you can always say, I haven't peaked.
I can still reach my level of best shape of my life, and when I do, you all better watch out, and that's what Luka can do. He should just have day one of next season, have Josh Allen drive his car in and step out and be like, oh my God, Luka's so jacked up.
Look at him right now. He does look like Josh Allen with diabetes, doesn't he? Yeah, a little bit.
Josh has to get some tattoos. Luca's tattoos are cool.
Like, Luca's tattoos, I don't know why, but I just – I mean, it's probably because he's cool to watch. You know, when you do cool things with tattoos, you just immediately become a certified badass.
So as long as he just doesn't have to play defense. They actually switched to a zone for a little bit, so so why not like offensive yeah but it was so offensive it was i i know i brought up pick up on wednesday and obviously the nba is not pickup but that was very similar where it's like dude we gotta switch to a zone because we you you can't guard anyone you know what i would do i would do the triangle and two that's that was the best defense ever if you were playing like youth league basketball because every team would have one guy that was awesome and then the rest of their team would stake and so you'd say okay let's just put two dudes on this one guy and then we'll do the other three in a low post zone and they aren't going to guard anybody or do anything.
They're just going to hang out and stand around. Like why not try the boxing one? Why not try the triangle and two? Like take it all the way back to when you were six years old and throw everything every defense that you can possibly think at him yes i agree i agree boxing one and have someone just you know get shredded personally that's not luca by chris paul um other other series i'm just not into this series until a bead comes back and i don't know if he will but the heat are just so much better than the sixers right now and it's like it's actually oh it's perfect for doc rivers and james harden because james harden's been bad doc rivers has been bad because he continues to play not a small lineup and like be like hey maybe we can have a crazy variance game and win this um but they both have perfect outs because imbeed is out and it's like yeah you lost what a top three n NBA player in a series no one expects you to win this so it's I watched that game last night I was like it was one of those games where the Sixers flirted with it every now and then but it was never it was never really a game yeah I saw Hank shrug your shoulders when he said nobody expects you to win this one Hank do you still have expectations for the like would you consider it a failure if the Sixersers lost this series? I just hate that excuse.
When they lose and probably get swept, I'm going to be dancing on their grave, and Sixers fans are going to be like, oh, we didn't have Embiid. But I'm just going to be retweeting.
There was a couple times in the regular season I was like, bring us Philly, and they were like, you don't want that, you don't want that. And when they got Harden, people were like, oh, they like oh they started playing the parade so if james harden you know is supposed to be like your number two player he had four points in the second half of game one four points in the second half of game two like it's not it's a five-man team you know there's more than one player like if you're supposed to be one of the best teams in the east like one player going down marcus Smart didn play for the celtics they still won defensive player of the year no yeah that's fair well yeah marcus smart actually wins elite nba awards all right uh what about you jake where you at yeah i mean he are rolling right now this game i understand it kind of close, but they were never in danger of losing this game.
I mean, in game one, Tyler Hero came off the bench and had a great game. Oladipo is returning to Oladipo for him.
He had 19 points. I'm feeling good.
You think it's sweep? Maybe. I just, yeah, I mean, the Heat deserve all the credit because they're a very good team and Bam is incredible I just I was watching that game being like I'm not really interested in this because Joel Embiid not being here means that this is not like the Heat deserve everything they've gotten yeah the one seed then it's not taking anything away I'm just not I guess what I'm what I'm trying to say is the series does not feel like a threat whatsoever to the heat without Joel Embiid like there's no it's a foregone conclusion if Joel Embiid doesn't play this will be a sweeper five games it actually feels like it feels bad watching the Sixers play and it feels bad watching James Harden play because I think it's on us like we know what James Harden does we know know James Harden actually isn't an elite player in the NBA anymore.
He's not a number one option on any team. He's just not, but he's going to still get paid like he is one.
He's probably got another contract where he can have a good offseason, trick somebody into giving him a big contract. But James Harden isn't good enough to win a series on his own.
He's not even good enough to make a series competitive on his own. So, yeah, it's just kind of sad watching it.
And I'm mostly sad because we talk about how much we love the narratives. I can't even chalk this series up to Doc Rivers.
I can't. There's nothing I can do right now.
Doc Rivers, this is the – Joel Embiid getting injured is actually the best thing that could have happened to Doc Rivers during these playoffs. That's my point.
It's robbed us like i james harden i want your own bead to play i want your own bead to be dominating and then we could be like oh doc fucked up and james harden's a bum yep yep right now it doesn't we can't say that now i have to be realistic i have to be like james harden isn't a number one option anymore i don't want to think like that i want to be like James Harden is supposed to be the best number two in the league, and Embiid is the MVP, so he claims. How come Doc Rivers can't get these two guys to win a second-round playoff series? That's what I want to do.
I want a game seven, and Doc Rivers plays Joel Embiid 48 minutes, doesn't give him any breaks, and he's dying on the floor, and everyone's like, him like one minute and then James Harden misses a wide open three to win the game to end the game and I can just run away with that and be like that was awesome we don't get any of that no we just basically get yeah James Harden's not that good not as good as he used to be and he's not playing well and Doc Rivers while his rotations are suspect he doesn't really have any options because his best player's not there. We've been robbed.
We've been robbed. Ideally, what would happen would be it would be game seven in Miami and James Harden comes right over from Gold Rush Cabaret and he's fat, he's sweating, his eyes are bleeding because he's drank so much vodka.
And then Joel and be like passes out from dehydration with one minute left and he's just like laying on the court motionless like his leg twitches and doc rivers still won't sub about that's what i want to have happen and it's been robbed from me and i don't appreciate it yeah yeah so um well obviously this weekend i don't know why well i do know why they're not playing tonight. The NHL is king.
Our hockey fans better be celebrating tonight, Thursday night, Cinco de Mayo, as the greatest achievement of hockey versus NBA rivalry. They should be.
The NBA is not playing because NHL is on TNT tonight. The NHL won tonight.
I feel like hockey fans, it's not in their nature, though, to celebrate that. They're probably weeping because there are no more worlds left to conquer.
This is like everything they've wanted, but then hockey fans, most of their fandom is tied up into being like, hey, you should be a hockey fan. Why are you a basketball fan? Now that they finally got that for a night, it's like, what do I do? They're looking around, and there no more targets.
They're just going around on Twitter right now trying to find people with LeBron James avatars and just sending them digital handshakes.

They're probably like good, good series out there, boys. They're probably just knocking on doors, being like, hey, just in case you don't have the channel, hockey's on right now.

Just like randomly cold calling people.

I mean, good for the NHL, but also this is NFL is king.

I can't believe we haven't talked about that yet because it's a big night for the NFL. Oh, is it? Schedule announcement.
Schedule announcement. What time is that? I think it's.
I thought it was next week. I think it's tonight.
I think it's in a couple hours. I thought it was next week, too.
Next week, too. Yeah.
Can you check, Jake? Here, I'll do an ad. You check, Jake.
May 12th. Raising Cane.
Oh, yes, it's 12th. Okay, so here's the announcement for the announcement.
It's one week from today. Well, I can understand your confusion, PFT, because in typical NFL, they did the announcement for the announcement like two weeks ago.
I love that. Then they announced the international games earlier this week.
I thought that was the teaser for the full announcement, but they're going to do another week. It's a three-week situation here.
We're really dragging this thing out. You know what we got to do? When they do announce that, when they announce the schedule, we should grade the schedules.
We should give schedule grades. Shout out to Jags.
By the way, I just want to say I want to defend the Jaguars. So I want to defend the Jaguars.
The Jaguars did the grades are in post where it was basically everyone, every website that graded the Jaguars draft. And they included our A-plus grade, which if you listen to the show on Monday, draft grades are the dumbest thing ever.
So we made a mockery of it. And we just gave A-pluses and Fs and the Steelers got a C.
But the Jaguars included us. And a and a lot of people were like i can't believe they included it i think the jaguars are in on the joke of course they are they're a million percent like i right going back to like 2013 2014 like between the jaguars main twitter account jackson deville their mascot they've been going back and forth with us right like they get it.
So people going after the Jags being like, how could they do that?

They got got.

It's like, no, no, no. They get it.

And I hope more teams understand.

Like, we will give you any grade you want.

If you show us love, we will give you an A+.

You could go 3 and 14 next year.

We'll say A-plus for your season.

Yeah.

Use me, daddy.

Do anything you want to me.

Yes.

We're a vessel. All right.
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The game was probably a lot more simple before the three-point shot.

I'll give him that.

I think.

But, yeah, this is a fight that he's – I think he's been, like, waiting to bring back up for a long, long, long time.

Because I imagine the three-point advocates won probably, like –

I'd say that debate probably stopped on a national level around 1988. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, it's one of those takes that's a take quake, but there is a kernel of truth because the three-point shot is good for basketball.
Shooting is part of basketball. To be like it's a gimmick, no, you should award guys who can hit like incredible shots but his better point is that yeah they're like the reliance on three point shots there is too much of that and I think we everyone's talked about this everyone knows that like the the corner three is too easy teams only shooting threes or like dunks kind of makes the game a little bit boring.
But to say that three point shot is the worst thing to happen to basketball in his lifetime. I mean, Coach K happened to basketball in his lifetime.
What the fuck? That's insane. Yeah, I think if anything, you can just say, like, move the three point line out, move it further out.
You could have that same. I think that's if that's truly what he's getting at that he's doing, we've spotted a Steph Curry ruined basketball in the wild.
If that's his point then I think you can say, move it back like three feet. Back it way the fuck up and you can get that Hank, you like that idea? Hank just gave a nice little nod there.
I would like to see because then you you'd only have, you know, like the top players shooting three is still at that point.

Right.

And then it would open up the mid-range game so much.

I think it might actually be a better product.

I got a crazy idea I'll throw out there.

Have you guys ever watched like the,

I think it's U.S. versus Canada softball games they play

where it's like grown men playing softball and just hitting dingers.

And literally every time they stepped to the plate,

slow pitch softball,

they could hit a dinger and they limit it.

So it's like,

you can hit seven home runs this game and use it wisely.

Use it when guys are on base.

What if there was a limit to the amount of three point shots you could

take?

So teams now have to strategize essentially like you get to take 33

pointers a game.

And it's like,

do you want to use them in the first quarter and get a big lead?

Do you want to save them?

Thank you. so teams now have to strategize essentially like you get to take 33 pointers a game and it's like do you want to use them in the first quarter get a big lead do you want to save them how do you defend them knowing that like they have 20 left or if they have like five left you can just basically pack the paint i don't know the strategy it's a stupid rule i admit that this is like a crazy cockamamie like what the fuck are you talking about but like when you actually think about it it would be kind of cool to watch play out i like that idea it should do it for an all-star game yeah or what if they made three point shots worth not points for your team but like worth negative three points for the other team yeah i don't think that would make any difference at all on the final score but it would be cool to see and you could by the way you could under my idea you could still take a three-point shot after you hit over the 30 it just would count as two so it's like you can still spread the floor but you just don't get the the benefit of it and like imagine going into a fourth quarter and being like okay the suns have uh 15 three-pointers left and the mavs have used all theirs yeah billy what it would it...
It would be a lot of Mavs, but it would be fun.

Billy, you're really distracting me.

What are you doing?

What's on your mind?

You've been leaning. You've been getting closer and closer to the camera

with a creepier smile on your face.

Oh, he's muted.

I think I posted a problematic tweet.

Oh, no.

Breaking moves.

What was it?

Why are you tweeting during the pod, Billy? I'm doing a little blogging. Okay, wait.
I found it. He said I don't get what the big deal is with this Roe v.
Wade shit. No, that's not it.
The government should absolutely decide what women do with their body. That's not it.
I posted a video of... I found...
So I'm in these group chats where I get these insane videos I posted one of them and it's it's not going well. What was it? Did you delete it? Oh Oh my god, what are you doing to Billy? What the fuck? Billy Billy It's these wild hogs killing a leopard and it's like they're eating it in Eating its throat Neck Why did you think that was a good idea? I don't know I don't know I'm sorry Billy I'm all for like I do think it's weird whenever someone watches like a video in nature And they're like oh thesebras, someone save them.
That is nature. But you don't need to see that on your timeline.
Zoomed in. Revelle JFK.
You're Revelle. You're Revelle.
You're the animal world Revelle. You have some company.
It's like three wild hogs just curb stomping a leopard. It's just crazy.
You also weren't like concerned.

You were like, I was watching your face.

You were like...

Don't delete it. Don't delete it.

I deleted it already.

Oh, shit. Post it again.

Post it again.

I'm tweeting Billy is

canceled and let everyone figure it out.

No, Billy, post it again and say,

I'm sorry for deleting my tweet. Please continue roasting me under this new version of the tweet.
Also, I like the parentheses of it says wild hogs kill leopard as if you didn't know what was going on in that video. No, but it's just crazy because usually the leopard kills the wild hogs, but now that we're seeing reverse the wild hogs killing the predator.
Yeah, that's true in most videos that you've shown me it is the leopard killing this actually it looks like Like Busta Rhymes and Dave Chappelle curb stopping that guy that got on stage Which by the way did you see did you see the gun that the guy had? I didn't I Tell me about it though. It was a gun, but it was really a knife So you pulled the trigger on the gun and a knife came out the front.
I can't. Tell me about it, though.
It was a gun, but it was really a knife.

So you pulled the trigger on the gun and a knife came out the front. I can't think of any scenario where you would want to have a more illegal thing that isn't actually functional and it turns into a less illegal thing.
That's a range of weed. Yeah.
I also saw the headline was aspiring rapper. That's got to be brutal because that means that someone listened and was like, okay, yeah, he's aspiring.
He's not a rapper. Not there yet.
He's aspiring. He's trying to be a rapper.
Billy, you're canceled. I just tweeted Billy's canceled, so you might as well put it back up.
Okay, but why I really deleted it is that I didn't want to get my account reported, so I put it on my burner, so I'm going to post it from the burner. That's why you really deleted it, not because everybody was roasting you? Well, I don't care about them.
I think it was the wrong time because it was lunchtime, and everyone's on their lunch break, and they're like, I'm eating lunch. Everyone on Twitter is on the same time zone.
You got to blame it on PC culture, Billy. Yeah.
Oh, I love the definition. Oh, my God.
Predator becomes prey. We're like having a conversation.
If you're watching the YouTube, watching Billy come to the realization that he posted problematic tweet it was all time visual like you gotta you gotta watch youtube just for that you could tell he was not listening at all and he was just like like yeah like pft said he was getting closer and closer to his computer like with a wider and wider smile oh my god oh my god all right uh anything hockey let's just let's just move on we'll do randy moss that he heard anything hockey the the maple leaves i, my God. All right.
Anything hockey, let's just move on.

We'll do Randy Moss to the Eddie Herds.

Anything hockey?

The Maple Leafs, I'm starting to feel.

No, the Leafs are fine.

That was bad.

That was bad.

Leafs are fine.

They'll figure it out.

It's the Leafs here.

I'm still confident in the boys up north.

I just still feel bad for Rangers fans.

They're down so bad. Even if they win tonight, it wasn't really even worth it.
It's not even going to replace half the pain of what they went through earlier this week. They're going to win tonight.
I hope so. They're going to win tonight.
I really hope. Although there is a big part of me that would really like to see Penguins caps.
I would love to see that one more time. They're going to win tonight.
I'm going to put my... No, I'm not going to do Game of the Year.
I almost did that. They're going to win tonight.
They're going to win tonight. I'm also thinking that tonight, Jake, I'm going to graciously allow Jake to beat the Capitals tonight.
I think tonight is the Panthers' night, so congrats, Jake. We'll see some rats on the ice.
Is that what you guys do? They throw rats on the ice after a win. You throw rat like actual rats? Toy rats.
Oh. If it was actual rats, I'd be impressed.
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It is the one and only Randy Moss. You can see him all weekend on TV.

The Kentucky Oaks on Friday, the Kentucky Derby on Saturday, live from Churchill Downs, best time of year. Let's get into it.
Let's just do it. How are we feeling overall? How are the vibes? Because I know we had weird COVID stuff the last few years.
How are the vibes feeling like this will be the first, like everything's back to normal Derby? Vibes are great. Full house expected.
You know, they limited the attendance last year to 50,000. So no limits.
Now it's going to be just like the old fashioned Derby's elbow to elbow people, half the people drunk. You know, it's going to be just like it's always been.
The only problem is the freaking weather, right? I mean, we see this all the time at the Derby. I don't know what goes on with mother nature in the Kentucky Derby, but last week it was just gorgeous in Louisville.
Next week it's going to be gorgeous in Louisville. Monsoon season hits on Friday and Saturday, apparently.
Wow. So we could have some pretty dicey weather.
So how does that affect the races? Are there any horses that you see that you're like, that guy likes to run in the mud? Typically what happens in a situation like that, guys, is you want the horses that are going to be up close to the lead if the track is wet right if there's standing water it's called sloppy in thoroughbred racing but you want the horses that are going to be going to be up front because they're kicking all the muddy crap back on the horses behind them right into their faces and you know horses aren't the smartest animals in the world but they're smart enough to know that's not good and a lot of them just check out when that happens so watch for the front runners in that case yeah and i actually so a friend of mine sent me a stat today that i wanted to share with you and i guess it makes sense intuitively because we've had some incredible derby winners the last you know decade or so but the stat is the last last eight years, the horse that has crossed the wire first,

so obviously there's been some disqualifications,

has not had a trip that has dropped below third

during their entire trip.

So that should fit into what you just said as well

with the mud that you need a horse

that can get out in front right away

and stay in front and not have to play from the back.

There is a reason for that stat. there's a very good reason for it before 2013 uh churchill downs ranked the horses for the kentucky derby based on total lifetime money one so what happened you all owners want to run in the kentucky derby so what happened was you would get these horses that would make all kinds of money as a two-year-old racehorse in short races in sprint races really fast horses they couldn't go a mile and a quarter in the Kentucky Derby but their owners wanted to run in the Kentucky Derby because they had enough money and so you get a bunch of these horses that would wind up in the Derby and the early pace would get out of control.
And so all the come from behinders would benefit from that. Then in 2013, Churchill changed the protocol to get into the Derby.
And now it's based on success in major prep races, long races as a three year old, mostly. So you get all that cheap speed that no longer gets to run in the Kentucky Derby.
The pace is much more manageable, and therefore horses near the front have done much better. I love it.
That's a great explanation for that stat. It's interesting that you mentioned kind of like the unproven speed in this race, because that's one of the big stories.
I've actually been reading articles about the Kentucky Derby for the last like five days I got it I got an

early jump start on my research this year and there's one horse that fascinates me because

he's he's dominated all the races he's been in but he's only raced against like six horses a

lot of people are calling him like the Mickey Mouse horse he's got Mickey Mouse titles and now

we're going to see if it translates to the Kentucky Derby he's one of Bob Baffert's old

horses now I guess as a new trainer um it's is it Ta or taba taba yeah so does taba right now i think he's 12 to 1 or something like

that is that a horse that you think can actually translate to to the big show well here's here's

the situation with taba uh no horse in more than a century has won the kentucky derby with only two

previous lifetime starts i don't care about that stat Times have changed in thoroughbred racing. Horses are running less and less often than they used to.
So if you like Taba to win the Kentucky Derby, don't pay any attention to his inexperience. It certainly didn't hurt him in the Santa Anita Derby in his last start that he'd only had one lifetime start.
I mean, he won very, very impressively. What I don't like about Taba and why I'm not picking him is since the Santa Anita Derby, I have not been a fan of the way he's looked in his training.
It looks to me like he may have gone a little downhill since the Santa Anita Derby. It may be too much too soon, possibly.
Fame got to his head. It's like Willie Beeman.
And he had a work this morning, a final workout this morning that wasn't particularly impressive. So I'm going to try to beat him.
All right. So along those same lines, the big story obviously is that Bob Baffert has been suspended and his horses were transferred to Tim Yacteen, who is a former assistant of Bob Baffert.
Do we get value on these horses, knowing they're Bob Baffert horses, but they don't have the B-squared next to them that everyone looks at when everyone in the world bets the Kentucky Derby, they see Bob Baffert's name, they're like, oh, that guy's good. I know him and I'm going to bet him.
And then the price comes down. So do we have like a very unique situation where we get Bob Baffert horses at a discount because it's not Bob Baffert's name right next to him? You know, it's a great point, Big Cat.
And I haven't heard many people make that point. And it's a valid point because the name Bob Baffert definitely affects the market for the horses, right? You get a lot more people betting because they are Baffert's horses and nobody, none of the casual fans are going to know who the heck Tim Yacteen is.
So that probably will drive the price up on those horses And the fact that Baffert is not here physically

And has not been training the horses since the second week in April

Really doesn't make any difference to these particular horses because Baffert trained the horses all the way up until that point. He developed them, he picked them out, helped pick them out as young horses, and then developed them through their two-year-old year up until April.
Once his suspension started, all they did, these two horses just moved a couple of barns down at Santa Anita and changed stalls. They got the same groom.
They got the same exercise riders. They got the same assistant trainer.
They got the same workout regimen. Nothing really has changed for these horses except the name in the program and on the racing form says Tim Yacteen instead of Bob Baffert.
This is like one of those situations where if you're betting on football and you're like hey if you if you change the helmet of Notre Dame you probably get a better you know line it's it's it's a rare situation that you know no one you can't predict the future so who knows if these horses are going to do well but you'll probably never get another situation where you have Bob Baffert training horses up until like, you know, a month and a half before the Derby, and then his name isn't next to them when you look at the racing for him on Saturday morning. It is unprecedented in thoroughbred racing.
It's unprecedented in the Kentucky Derby to have this type of situation. Yeah.
Okay. So I want to talk also, I love the stats of the Kentucky Derby because a lot of them, who knows, it's horse racing, but some of them have some merit to it.
So I wanted to quickly talk about the Japanese horse, Crown Pride. Please.
Basically, the stat goes if a horse is raced in the Middle East as their last race, just throw out they won't even be they won't finish anywhere near the top like don't even worry about it but this year specifically um and maybe you can give us some insight on it japanese horses have been like dominating so is this the year that we finally get a horse that that's coming from overseas that can finish at the top you maybe not even win, but second or third on Saturday? Every day in the last two weeks, Big Cat, it is looking more and more possible. Whoa, I love it.
When I came to Louisville, well, actually, I got to Lexington last Friday, I thought that Crown Pride, who was the Japanese horse, was a legitimate 30 or 40 to one shot. His race in the UAE Derby was good, but it wasn't great.
The competition that he beat was suspect. And, you know, I had some serious question marks about it.
And he has been sensational here at Churchill Hounds. And morning he had a workout his final workout that every one of the competing trainers in the kentucky derby has been raving about everyone that jerry bailey went and i went to talk to this morning we're like holy crap did you see that jeopardy source work this morning? I mean, the horse looks great.

Whether he's good enough or not, we'll see.

But he is definitely a horse to put into your exotics.

And even, I would even play him on top.

Okay.

In some of my bets.

Because he's not going to be 30 to 1 now.

Because the cat's out of the bag, kind of.

Yeah. But he'll probably be about 20 to 1.
And one more because the cat's out of the bag kind of.

Yeah.

But he'll probably be about 20 to one.

And one more thing about the Japanese horse you kind of alluded to.

Yeah.

Last fall in the Breeders' Cup, you know, Japanese horses had never won a Breeders' Cup race.

And they had two horses in the Breeders' Cup that looked like they had zero chance on paper. Right.

And both of them won.

That looked a lot worse than Crown Pride looks on paper.

At the Saudi Cup in Saudi Arabia, tons of money.

At $20 million race, the Saudi Cup.

Japanese horses won four of the stakes races on the undercard.

They won five of the stakes races on the Dubai World Cup undercard in March.

Japanese horses are kicking ass worldwide everywhere they're going.

So I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the horse run great.

What's that?

Is there a specific reason or is it just have they done anything different recently?

Training, money, whatever it may be, because I'm just very curious about how like the year

of Japan, like that's all you see when you're very curious about how, like, the year of Japan.

Like, that's all you see when you're looking at the big races over the course of the year that Japan has arrived and they're kicking ass.

It's been gradual, okay, for a pretty long period of time.

You can trace it back to a horse that I know you're familiar with, Big Cat, even though it was a long time ago.

A horse named Sunday Silence.

Yeah.

Sunday Silence won the Kentucky Derby in 1989.

He had a huge rivalry with a horse named Easy Goer.

He won the Derby.

He won the Preakness.

Easy Goer beat him in the Belmont.

Sunday Silence came back and won the Breeders' Cup class.

His owner had a big farm in Kentucky, Stone Farm.

Financially needed to sell the horse to keep the farm.

Thank you. I had a big farm in Kentucky, Stone Farm Needed Financially needed to sell The horse

To keep the farm

Farms are very expensive to run

Sunday silence was worth a lot of money

And they needed to sell him, retire him to stud

And sell him to the breeders

American breeders

Didn't seem to have much interest in Sunday silence

His pedigree was average

He had a crooked leg, I think

As a young horse

They were all about easy goer

Thank you. didn't seem to have much interest in Sunday silence.
His pedigree was average. He'd had a crooked leg, I think, as a young horse.
They were all about easy goer, but they really didn't care that much about Sunday silence. And the Japanese stepped in and outbid the Americans for Sunday silence.
Took the horse to Japan, where Sunday silence has been one of, if not the greatest stallion in the second half of the 20th century worldwide. That horse has completely revolutionized the breed in Japan.
And all those horses that I ticked off that won the Breeders' Cup and at Saudi, Dubai, every one of them trace back to Sunday Silence. That's incredible.
I remember that Kentucky Derby. That's like my first sports memory is actually Sunday silence beating Easy Goer at the Derby.
That's incredible that it goes all the way back to that. I love it.
That's the genesis of it. Now, horse racing in Japan is gigantic.
I mean, you see shots of the Kentucky Derby. It's like that almost every weekend in Japan.
It's crazy, Japan and Hong Kong, the amount of people that come out to the racetrack and the amount of money that is bet. They do a great job training horses.
So it's a top class operation in Japan. And now they're just really, really clicking on also.
So when it comes to the crowds like that, do you think that the, like, is there any measurements that you can take to say like horses actually race faster when there's a loud crowd around like do the horses get energy off a big audience compared to you know the derby a couple years ago when there was nobody there you know that was a question that often came up during the pandemic kentucky derby at uh because some people would say they would ask me uh you guys didn't but other people would you know so how are the horses going to react without the adrenaline of all the people and all that horses hate crowds thoroughbred racehorses are extremely high strung they like peace and quiet and tranquility they don't like loud noises they don't like a lot of cheering you know so the question always in the kentucky derby with 150000 people is always you know how are the horses going to handle all the noise some of them you know can flip out occasionally and can mess them up there's a horse in the Derby this year called Cyberknife that is notoriously unpredictable around people and around you know he threw his rider in the post parade of the Arkansas Derby and everything.

So no, horses do not like big crowds.

So would that mean that they would run slower or would they run faster to get away from the crowds?

They would typically run slower

because they would be nervous.

They would be, you know,

some horses are laid back.

Some thoroughbreds are very laid back.

Doesn't bother them at all.

Most of them are pretty high strung.

Occasionally you get ones that are extremely high strung.

And those are the ones when they get all the loud

Thank you. some thoroughbreds are very laid back doesn't bother them at all most of them are pretty high strung occasionally you get ones that are extremely high strung and those are the ones when they get all the loud noises they just they fall apart mentally yeah and and so they just completely lose their race so so 20 horses in the field is 20 horses too many that seems like a lot of horses it's a lot of horses it's more horses more horses than you would see in any race in America any given year.
No other race has 20 horses in America. And people complain all the time about it, right? And it's a bogus complaint.
Don't believe it when people say you need to reduce the Kentucky Derby 20 horses to many. It's a cavalry charge.
It's a crapshoot. It's all luck.
That's BS. It is not all luck.
If you go back historically and look at the Kentucky Derby's with 20 horses, okay, and you look at them in hindsight, and you say, okay, this horse won the Kentucky Derby. Was it proven in later results and later racing that that was the best horse in the race?

And it's like 75%, 80% of the time.

Yeah.

The best horse wins the Kentucky Derby.

What it takes to win the Kentucky Derby,

the patience, the acceleration,

the ability to hit the holes when you need to hit the holes,

the overall talent to beat the best horses of your generation the derby is probably the best lit litmus test of greatness uh of any race in america so at the 20 horses is part of that so along the same lines of the 20 horses i know the gate changed a few years ago and it became a uniform gate across so let me ask you this if it If it used to be like, Hey, if you're, if you're in the, you know, the rail position to start or, you know, the first three, it's, it's a bad spot. You don't want to be there.
Has that gone away because of the gate change? And really specifically, I love the horse epicenter. Who's, who's starting out of the three.
And I mean, he, he's just a fast fucking horse. What like, does fucking horse.
Does it matter that he's near the rail now with the gate change? First of all, the new starting gate alleviates a lot of the problems that horses from the number one post position would have. Having to move out a little bit after the start to avoid the inner rail, that's no longer the case, so that helps.
Horsemen still don't like inside post positions in the derby. They have an unrealistic phobia about inside post positions because they're afraid their horses will get trapped on the rail.
For some reason, when it comes to the Kentucky Derby, horsemen forget physics. They forget geometry, really.
They forget that it's the shortest way around the track running next to the rail, and that's a huge advantage in a race like the Kentucky Derby with so many horses often. Epicenter is the perfect horse to take advantage of an inside post position because he has tactical speed.
He's not going to be in the middle of the pack with a ton of horses to his outside and have to worry about getting out, getting off the rail when it's time to go. He's going to be up either in front or near the front early where there's not any traffic and he'll be racing on the rail and saving ground.
And I think it's a great post position for episode. That's probably why I'm picking him.
Yeah. Oh, okay.
There you go. There's the pick i i love it um we should also we should mention obviously the favorite zandon chad brown on zandon um i watched that race that he had uh what was it like a few weeks ago uh it was incredible through traffic great finish um the kentucky derby recently has been the favorite has won.
Do you see any value if he goes off at 3-1, 2-1? Value, no.

Um... The Kentucky Derby recently has been the favorite has won.
Do you see any value if he goes off at 3-1, 2-1? Value, no. His prep race in the Bluegrass, I thought, was the most visually impressive of any of the prep races.
In my eyes, it's either going to be Epicenter or Zandun, unless the Japanese horse completely freaks and does what Japanese horses have been doing lately uh you know i got to focus on those two horses the difference to me they're very similar on paper is that epicenter is going to be up near the front and zandun is going to have to rally from farther back in the pack and potentially have to deal with you know traffic issues that epicenter won't have to deal with.

But Zandon is a very good horse as well,

and either one of those horses could be deserving Kentucky Derby winners.

And the irony here is that Epicenter is trained by Steve Asmussen.

No trainer in the history of North America has won as many races as Steve Asmussen,

and he's never won the Kentucky Derby. And Zandon is trained by Chad Brown, who has been the champion trainer in America.
He's a fantastic trainer. He mainly deals in grass horses.
He's never won the Kentucky Derby, so it's kind of an interesting subplot. That is interesting.
So his name is what? You said Asmussen? Asmussen. A-S-S-M-U-S-S-E-N.
Steve Asmussen. This is his legacy race.
Kind of, yeah. Imagine if he were to get a Kentucky Derby finally, that's like the last checkmark in an otherwise great career.
I bet he probably hates Bob Baffert, huh? No, he's actually very close friends with Bob Baffert, yeah. We've had many conversations about Bob Baffert, yeah.
Is there any unusual tradition for the owner of a winning horse

after the Kentucky Derby?

You know how in golf, if you get a hole-in-one,

you've got to buy the clubhouse drinks.

Is there any unusual thing behind the scenes that the owners do,

kind of like as a tradition that's been passed down through the years?

Yeah, go out and get wasted the night of the Derby.

I love it.

I love it.

Rich guys, they're just like us. Yeah, yeah.
There you go. Yeah.
Okay, so I had one last question. You always give us an Oaks pick for Friday.
You got to tune in. Like, if you're someone who's just getting into horse racing and you love the derby, you should also love the Oaks on Friday.
It's awesome. There's some great, great horses.
You get two full days. I think it's 28 races total over the two days.
So give us a pick, any race on Friday that you got a – I think you've basically hit this every single year, no pressure. But who's your favorite race and horse on Friday? This is the best Kentucky Oaks.
I've been to the Kentucky Derby every year since 1980. I missed the pandemic year.
I missed one other year. This is my 41st Kentucky Derby.
So it's my 41st Kentucky Oaks. This is one of the best Kentucky Oaks that I've seen since I started coming here.
I love Mest. Mest is the program favorite, which surprised me.
I expected Echo Zulu to be the program favorite. And Echo Zulu is a good filly.
She's undefeated. She was the two-year-old filly champion.
I think Nest is an absolute standout to win the Kentucky Oaks. And on Saturday, I'll give you a couple of horses to bet on.
Yes. There's a race called the Churchill Downs Distaff Turf Mile.

I think it's the fifth race on Saturday.

There's a horse in there that Jerry Bailey and I have been texting each other about for a couple of months.

You know, last time she ran, I texted Jerry and said, here's a horse we can bet on, derby weekend.

Her name is Wakanaka.

W-A-K-A-N-A-K-A.

Wakanaka.

And then in the race right before the derby, they call it the Turf Classic. It's on grass.
There's a horse that Chad Brown has in there called Adamo, A-D-H-A-M-O. And I, like him, hooked up in exactas with a horse called Ivar, I-V-A-R, who ran in the Breeders' Cup mile last year and finished third and probably should have won.
He's got a great post position, first start of the year, but he's training really well. Back and forth and exact, because I like those two.
I love it. Let's win some money.
Any other questions? Let's do it. No, I'm good.
Let's do it. Just to reiterate, Wakanaka in the turf mile, And then we've got the turf mile.

Distaff turf mile.

And then in the turf classic, you've got Ivor and Adamo.

Adamo and Nest in the Kentucky.

Okay.

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Well, May 7th, he fights the light heavyweight world champion, Dimitri Bivol. Young, fresh, undefeated, huge puncher, great feet, and a really, really dangerous fight.
And this guy, Canelo Alvarez, is incredible because he literally doesn't care who he fights. He just he's got like a strict rule champions only you know he just wants to take belts for the collection and you know he's a guy who's come up from welterweight he's now fighting light heavyweight world champions he's massively undersized against these guys but he's also one ruthless motherfucker yeah like just I've never been around anyone with so much confidence so much belief he's incredible and canelo has definitely reached that point where uh a boxer gets to a certain point where his pay-per-views become just like must buys because you know there's going to be a show you know it's going to be a great fight night and there's nothing quite like a fight night now as a promoter are you rooting for either side do you just root for a great fight? You know, I represent both guys.
Right. But at the same time, people do take the mickey out of me in boxing because of my affection towards Canelo Alvarez.
Right. One, because he's the biggest star in the sport.
Two, because he's a great guy. Three, because he's a great.
Right. And there's nothing like being around a great.
And when you're around Canelo Alvarez, you feel like a great because he's infectious. You know, you watch him, you watch his confidence, the way he fights, the way he lives his life.
He's a winner, you know? But a rematch, if he lost, and then a trilogy, you got to be thinking that as a promoter, right? I know this sounds really sort of, you know, on the fence, but it's literally when you have two guys who fight each other it's made a best man win for dimitri bivol he gets the opportunity to become a great himself he gets the biggest payday of his career good luck to you son yeah and for canelo alvarez this is the fight he wanted you know he said get me a champion get me a light heavyweight world champion i said i got dimitri bivol he's unde. He punches very hard.
He's got great feet. He may be the best in the division.
And Canelo went perfect. It's not something we see in boxing today.
And like you said, a Cinco de Mayo weekend in Las Vegas promoting Canelo Alvarez doesn't get any bigger. Are there certain fighters that are easy to work with? Like you'll pick up the phone, give them a call, and you know that they'll say, yes, I'll do it.
And then certain guys that you have to like massage into it or kind of like work your way around with concessions, things like that. Eddie Reynoso is Canelo's trainer and manager, and they're inseparable.
They have been for his whole career, but they're fearless. And when you work with those kind of fighters, they're not looking for the easy touch.
They're not worried about the easier fight. They're just like, yeah, him, fine, he'll do.
And once they give me that instruction, when you're dealing with a great like Canelo Alvarez, like a pound for pound great, he should be difficult to work with. Like that's just the way sports works, right? The bigger the star, the bigger the problem.
But this guy is so easy to work with. work with and what we've got him doing is speaking more english because he never really believed that his english was good enough now he's speaking in english in interviews he's grown his profile to a bigger audience and he's hilarious yeah i feel like large here at barstool has done a pretty good job of getting canelo out of the shell a little bit because we i think we had canelo on what like three years ago yes yeah and he was just starting to like you know feel comfortable expressing himself and being so but like you get him in a room with large and it's like oh this is my buddy this is my like safe space that i can open up to but canelo we call him canelo sal is he's one of like he's one of the lads you know like so if you relax him he's amazing to be He's hilarious.
Listen, I've been to his house in Guadalajara out of camp, and it was a lively night. There was a lot of tequila drunk.
He's great company. But he's also, any star is just a little bit standoffish.
But like you say, Large does a good job. You've got to go in there, and you've got to be relaxed around him.
You've got to be yourself. You have.
You have. And that's why, you know, when Large does turn up, he actually goes, all right, I'll do it.
Yeah. Because he's a relaxed guy.
Right. He's been seeing the progression of him over the last few years.
Once people get to know him, you know, he just gets bigger and bigger. So the promotion game, I love it.
I'm fascinated by it. I've always loved it.
I'm, you know, I grew up a wrestling fan, boxing fan. Um, we have a, our own fight league.
I don't know if you're aware of it. It's, it's, uh, whatever your level you're at, we're, you know, minus a million, uh, it's called rough and rowdy.
It's like a tough man. Yeah.
Contest. So we promote fights.
Uh, and, and I, I, it's a thrill to promote a fight. Is there ever in promotion, has there ever been a moment where you had to tell the guys, like, hey, chill out, you cross the line? Or is it truly, like, do whatever you want because, like, everything sells here? That's why I love boxing promotion.
Anyone, any storyline gets more eyeballs. You always want a promotion where there's beef.
So I can't lie. two guys come together at the way and i'm always in the middle yep and it's only you're mean yeah but it's only i am but it's only when we get to a bigger weight class that i have a big problem because if it's like the featherweight division or the lightweights i can like you know i'm six foot five and 220 pounds i'm not that tough but i can at least get in the middle right with the big boys like if i could take one punch if i just take a punch that wasn't even meant for me i'm getting knocked clean out you know and when we did dillian white against derek chisora it's very famous chisora picked up a table you know and threw it actually at me but it was at dillian white but it hit me and but it was massive right you know so at the same time it doesn't really You'd probably take that every time oh yeah i don't listen i don't mind the table around the head if it means a couple of million bites yeah on pay-per-view yeah that's what i love about the fight people love that yeah but i always think as well like there are some people that say that way you know the head-to-head put you do this and do that i don't like that do you ever push them i do that in our rough and rowdy just yeah I kind of give one of them a little nudge.
Sometimes before a press conference, I go, look, you know, obviously you two, I'm going to ask you both questions and I look to one of them and just say, just to let you know, he did say that, you know, he's talking about your mom. But I actually did, I did Logan Paul against KSI.
Yep. Right, that fight at the Staples Center.
And the banter was so bad. Like, I'll one because I'm both I like I really love both guys they're so smart these guys but I tell you what I did the press conference I stood up and I was like you know guys massive fight at Staples Center well you know your mom's down there and I was like oh my god where are we going with this so that fight specifically uh you got some blowback because it's not traditional boxing and you know we did something um with jake paul in cleveland uh last summer and there's a lot of people who are like this is a sideshow this isn't real from my perspective i'm like anything that gets more eyes towards a boxing like combat sport is good but where what what did you like how did you feel when you had that blowback i mean listen i saw the I saw the numbers.
Yeah. You know, we were doing press conferences.
I think there's like over a million watching live, the press conference. You know, I could do the world heavyweight title and we won't get half of that, you know.
So as a boxing enthusiast, it's hard to watch sometimes. Jake's a little bit different because he's at least boxing now.
Right, yeah. He thinks he can be a world champion never in a million years but there are actually some boxers that are worse than jake paul and it's putting the time and he's putting the effort in fury yeah i mean he's there we go that could be a 50 50 fight yeah there we go but but logan against ksi was two youtubers yeah so i promoted a youtube fight in that respect i will never do it again it wasn't a bad experience i made a lot of money but my but my heart weren't in it.
But with Jake, Jake can fight a little bit and at least he's getting to the stage now where he's going in with either fighters or combat guys and I'll give Jake respect. And listen, he's just co-promoted the fight with me with Taylor Serrano and he's been a great partner.
So you're right. Anything that brings additional eyes to the sport, I just feel that when you bring those eyes eyes to the sport you need to give them the beauty of the sport and the reality of the sport not two guys kind of like yeah yeah when it comes to you promoting a fight where both the fighters are essentially you're working for both of them you're you're representing both of them is there like a trust issue that comes with that always an argument and you know.
And you know, the worst thing is you sit front and center. You can't show any emotion either way.
Because I've been involved with fights before, you know, and someone's knocked someone out. And I represent both guys.
And I've just stood up and clapped. It's like next day you get a text going, I see you stand up and clap when I got knocked out.
It's like, no, I just, you know. So I hate it because I'm the guy.
I love to scream and shout and jump in the ring and celebrate and you can't really do that when you got two guys it's difficult so generally when you have two guys you represent two guys both guys in the fight you fall out with one of them yeah generally the one that loses yeah that makes sense you ever fall outs with with other promoters like is there any time what promoter would you want to step in the ring with no they're all old you know i can't you know i mean i can't fight but they're all like you know that problem standing up after a round yeah you had a beef with bob arum bob arum's 90 yeah you can beat him up right i would hope so let's make that fight yeah i would hope so that'll go right down really well yeah bob you 90 year old guy i'll bash you up yeah yeah a lot of people are saying you're afraid to fight bob Arum oh yeah I was saying that you're not but really yeah apparently he said something else someone he said something about you know no he's he I think I saw your grandmother yeah he actually knew her he did Bob Arum said that Eddie Hearn uh you know was born on third and thought he hit a triple that's what he said he said he's a daddy's boy and that's the only thing that made him that's true no but seriously so your your history i was i was uh that probably hit too close home but i'm trying to make a fight i'm about to knock you out in a minute i'm gonna try to make a fight no you i was listening to an interview though and it was yeah i've got a rich dad yeah go on no but it was very interesting um i'm trying i mean i just made the fight right there between us probably uh but you you said something interesting about you know your dad and being in his footsteps and him instilling in you like the work ethic that you have and that it wasn't you know even though you did grow up with some means because your dad you know has been very successful that he was able to to keep you you know grounded and humble how did he do that because that's very hard to do first generation right so like my dad came from nothing made a lot of money i was born he you know as you would with any with your child you want to give them a great life but growing up the the person that my dad hated the most was the sport rich kid so he always made sure i was never a sport rich kid you know winning was everything you get given nothing without hard work and you know I have a working class mentality he takes the piss out of me and calls me a silver spoon kid and I tell him that I turned it gold and the only way I could make a name in my own right was to outperform him yeah so he did really well I've taken the business to whole nother levels and you know it's I'd love to give a sob story about you know I'd like i'm a bit jealous of him because he come from nothing and made it from nothing whereas i could never do that but at

the same time you know i lived a great life but you told the story that you know when growing up

everyone was like oh there's barry's kid and you thought it was great when you were a kid and then

eventually you hit a point where like wait i want to be i want to be eddie it was there a sign like

when i was 12 13 walking around mgm grand and madison square garden at fights i would tell the

Thank you. then eventually you hit a point where like wait i want to be i want to be eddie it was there a sign like when i was 12 13 walking around mgm grand and madison square garden at fights i would tell the world that i was barry hernson right because it used to get me wherever i needed to be but i guess you don't realize subconsciously that you know you get a bit of a chip on your shoulder that no one actually knows your name right that you're just barry's son so i don't know with sport has been everything to us like we i grew up with all the fundamentals of sport and i think young people today actually i worry that they're not playing enough sport because sport teaches you everything winning losing discipline respect manners everything and with us but he was the dad where you could take 10 penalties and you might have missed nine but every other dad jumps over the last one to let you score he's the one that tips it around the corner and celebrates after you know so and i'm like that with my kids and sport business to us is sport so we're always competing whether that's against each other or whatever so it's been a big part of my life sport because it gives you the winning mentality and uh you know when we were young he always said that um when i got to 18 he would take me in the ring and we'd fight because he wanted to sort of show me that i was just a rich kid and you know he'll show me what it's like to be a real man yeah but i got to 16 and i was like six foot one oh so we brought it forward two years and he came out in the first round but it's hard to tell this story because people don't really understand my background and i just remember covering up and i just saw his face you know and he was winging him in around the side of my head and i three rounds in and i dropped him to the body and he didn't get up and he was so proud like normally you wouldn't tell anyone would you you told everyone see my son oh he knocked me out to the body soaked it up and like that was you know that was like his stamp of approval to go my boy's all right you know that's got to be weird as a kid like what were your emotions like you knock your dad out are you proud in the moment or are you initially like oh my god i fucked up i'm gonna get my ass no i wanted him to get up so i could give him more like that was that was that was us you know now the important question is you have kids now will you be doing the same i have two daughters okay so probably no they'll kick your ass yeah i know yeah but listen they were you know i just the same problem i you know we're talking about first generational success which i was like their second it's even harder yeah with them and i want to spoil them i work as hard as i can every, and I want to try and give them everything that they want.
But at the same time, there's a couple of key fundamentals that every parent should try and install in their kids, which is discipline, manners, respect, understanding the value of money, being kind, all these things, and having a passion for something. Because I see so many of these kids today, and they just mope around with no passion.
And that's when it comes back to sport. so I'm like you know, all these things, and having a passion for something.
Because I see so many of these kids today and they just mope around with no passion. And that's when it comes back to sport.
So I'm like, you know, play netball, play hockey, play cricket, just trying to push them into all sports. But as we know, every kid now is looking at their phone, they're TikToking.
I mean, it drives me absolutely berserk. But I can't give them a normal life, if you like, but what I can is make sure they're real people.

Yeah.

And that's most important.

Do you ever subconsciously find yourself

setting up fights between them?

No, but I do do that with other kids.

Actually, my sister has twins who are five.

And just every now and again, I'll just go,

just like when there's no one around,

just look around and go,

guys, just out of interest,

who would win in a fight

between you two

well you're a little bit

taller than the other one

aren't you

that's interesting

you're not as tough

as your brother are you

the next thing

they're rolling around

I'm like go on go on

and then my sister

will come in and go

what's going on here

so I don't know

so are you constantly

whenever you walk somewhere

like sizing people up

like alright

yeah it could be a good fight

that would be a good one

right there

it's a good match up

what do you think

about this guy right here

he's a big lump

yeah

he's important to Billy

I saw you on the

Canelo Alvarez tape

you were taking some

no Bivol was hitting you

to the body I saw you on the Canelo Alvarez take. You were taking some.
No, Bivol was hitting you to the body, right? Bivol was fucking him up. Yeah, what did you think? Did you rate that power? I got punched by some heavyweights in my day, and that was just his jab.
What heavyweights in your day, plural? He fought Jose Canseco. And also, when is your day? You're 23 years old.
I don't know. And Jose Canseco took a dive, maybe.
He did not take a dive. He might have.
He quit. But Bivol, Bivol's a good fighter.
I mean, it's going to be a great fight. You know, you were around him.
Nice guy. The way he moved and his size and power was insane.
I think Bivol's going to shock the world. Ooh.
Whoa. That's my take.
Whoa. A lot of people do.
Wow. Okay.
Is that after feeling his power? Yeah. Yeah.
Because I reckon if Canelo Al alvarez here's you you know you saying that you felt bivol's power and you think he's gonna win i think he'll be very concerned no not at all so the the fight promoting game when you are coming up um i mean i would imagine it's it's one of the only professions where like it feels like if you're cutting corners or getting one over on your competition, it's applauded. Were you always looking over your back like, all right, this guy's trying to fuck me.
This guy's trying to fuck me. In terms of other promoters? Yeah, other promoters.
It's the worst business in the world. Yeah.
The worst business. Because everyone wants you to fail.
Yeah. And when you start out, I've always had a passion for boxing, but probably 12 years ago, I started going at it hard,

taking over the UK.

When I came to America, oh my God.

I just thought, because in the UK, brash, loud,

and I thought to myself, you need to come into the US

and basically tell everyone you're going to end them.

So I turned up at the press conferences.

We're going to take over boxing, all these other... And basically, it it was a bad move because they all just got together and went right fuck eddie hearn let's just freeze him out wow and it took me you know a couple of years really to actually find our feet and obviously the growth of the zone as well when i came in you know i'm sitting down with fighters and i'm like you know we're with the zone and it's this new app and these fighters are going, what's going on? You know, we're with ESPN, we're with HBO.
And obviously, once the brand of The Zone and people saw how serious they were and obviously saw how serious we were, and we started breaking down the barriers with Canelo Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin, it took us two or three years to gain the position we're in now. I mean, we're the only global in the world everybody else just promotes in their own markets and right now we're in a straight race in in america with pbc and and al hayman and bob ariman top rank and espn so what a great place to be in just some mouthy kid from the uk who's come over to take on the world and that's that's the attitude we got you were talking about when you when you first started out in the uk when you first like went fully into it and admittedly i don't know

much about boxing i don't know that much about boxing in the uk especially but i did read a

little bit about you before you came in and there there was a lot of talk about the uh the harrison

fay fight your harrison hi yeah so i used to do all the the major poker tv shows yeah so i'll

produce them so i created all of the sort of major tv programming for poker and i was playing in

Vegas in the World Series and there was a guy called Audley Harrison. Now this guy won Olympic gold for Great Britain.
Heavyweight and great personality. Everyone knew who Audley Harrison was, but everyone thought he was useless.
But I sat down with him at a poker table and he went look you know his career was over really and he said you know could you bring me back I wasn't even promoting at the time I was doing poker I was like yeah I'll bring you back of course I'll bring you back you know we'll go out we'll win a few fights we'll come back I'll put you in for the European title and then we'll fight David Haye for the world title and before you know it you could be world heavyweight champion and he was he was like, yeah? And then I went outside and went, oh, shit. And then he phoned me and he went, let's do it.
And I was like, oh, no. So he went out, won a few fights, put him in for the European title.
He got beat every round. He didn't throw a punch, right? No, this is for the European title.
There was one minute to go. He knocked the guy clean out in the 12th round.
In fact, I remember so clearly, five seconds before the knockout, my dad turned to me and said, I know you're disappointed, son, but after the bell goes, just get in and commiserate Audley Harrison and take it as a man. I went, fuck that.
I ain't getting in the ring. I said, I can't believe it.
Anyway, he knocked the guy out. I couldn't get in the ring quick enough.
I was hugging him. You're the greatest of all time.
Next thing, I've made the David Hay fight for the World Heavyweight Championship in Manchester. I've sold this fight like you wouldn't believe.
Sold out Manchester Arena pay-per-view bikes. All my friends have bought ring-tie tickets.
I told them Alderley Harrison was going to shock the world, become the new World Heavyweight Champion. He didn't throw a punch.
For three rounds, he just stood there and then he got knocked clean out. Everyone said to me, you're a joke, Hearn.
And I went, I'm done in boxing.

I said, that was great fun.

Next day, every fighter's calling me.

Wow, I saw what you've done with Audley Harrison.

You've got to sign me.

And it just went crazy from there.

What was that like after that fight, though?

Because you had put your nuts on the line.

Horrendous. And this was your name.

And you have a guy that literally does not try at all in the ring.

That's got to be a pretty low feeling for you as a person. I went in, like, before that fight, he's a great salesman, Audley Harrison, right? You believe everything he said.
We stood in that changing room. Everyone got in a huddle.
You know, he said, you know, the Lord, Audley Harrison said, they told me I would never get an education. And I came through, and I got a master's degree.
They told me I would never be an amateur boxer and I went and won Olympic gold. And tonight, I will become world heavyweight champion.
I mean, I was in tears. I was like so convinced he was going to win.
Come out, didn't throw a punch, sat in the changing room with him after and I said, Audley, what happened? And he went, I thought the ref jumped in a bit too early. I was like, oh my God.
So I was done. The next day, I remember going to a sandwich shop by my office, right? You know when it's like really loud in there and then you open the door and it's just like, you know, and everyone just looked at me and went, prick.
And I was just, seriously, I just thought, I'm done in boxing. I never even wanted, I saw the shit that my dad went through in boxing and I just thought, no.
And then everyone started calling me because all the promoters rolled. I i mean back then i was 30 and i was just a young kid just talking a lot and people just looked at me and went you know what's different and we signed everybody in the uk and i've got the exclusive deal with the biggest broadcaster within like six months and we just took over uk boxing and obviously america was the next challenge and signing canelo alvarez was is just massive yeah for our business it's got to be i mean again we're on a very very very small scale with our rough and rowdy but when there's when a card doesn't pan out it's the worst feeling in the world because you know people are paying good hard money to watch this and they want to be entertained my dad said it best he said you know social media is is so good and bad in terms of promoting because back in his day you would just put posters up under train stations whereas i've got the ability to hit a couple of million people in their hand with information about a fight he said but the downside of social media is you can finish a show you know and go yeah that was all right i'll go for something to eat now you you have to read the criticism yeah and you can say i don't read it and I try not to, but of course you do.
And you want to put on a great show. People are paid money, people are tuned in and there's no better feeling when you put on a great show and people go, what a night.
Because we're there to give people a great night. I want people to leave T-Mobile Arena.
I want people to turn off the zone or listen to your commentary and go, that was a great night. That put on my face and that's my job as a promoter so it hurts when it doesn't you know you you guys can even at your level it doesn't matter you can do a show and go what night this is going to be look at this fight look at the card and it doesn't play out and everyone goes that was shit yeah you go oh and you're deflated yeah because i i heard you doing another interview where you you basically were saying and it struck me because we're obviously diehard sports fans, and those moments, that's what we live for.
The moments where you walk out of an arena and you're like, I saw something I never thought I'd see before. Well, even when we did Anthony Joshua against Andy Ruiz at Madison Square Garden, it was my first show at MSG.
It was the World Heavyweight Championship. AJ was a massive favourite.
He got dropped five times and stopped, I think, in the sixth round. I felt like my world was about to end.
They're still talking about it today in New York. That was one of the greatest nights ever.
The biggest upset in heavyweight history. I'm like, actually, yeah, we did that.
I mean, it didn't work out how he wanted it to. But when you've got a great

fighter like Canelo Alvarez,

it does take the heat off because you know,

like, you know, we talk about Bivol, I know

this fight's going to be special.

It can't be anything but.

It's not going to be a one-sided fight.

It's not going to be an easy fight. It's going to be a

thrilling fight. And it could just be

one for the ages. And if

it is, fantastic, because you're a small part of that that yeah yeah what's the best fight that you've ever promoted um i mean probably anthony joshua against vladimir klitschko at wembley you know he's anthony joshua is the olympic gold medalist superstar in the uk around the world world heavyweight champion vladimir klitschko was the longest reigning world heavyweight champion um dropped him, dropped Klitschko in the fifth round. He got dropped in the sixth round.
He was out on his feet. He come back to knock Klitschko out in the 11th round.
That was in front of 90,000 people at Wembley. Wow.
And it was, you know, it was just epic. It's only when you look back on the pictures and you go, I don't even remember being there, let alone, you know, seeing those sights.
And you're so engrossed in the fight. you're sitting there next on the pictures and you go i don't even remember being there let alone you know seeing those sites and you're so engrossed in the fight you're sitting there next to the ring and you know there's nothing like it we work across i think 12 different sports boxing's so unique you know even even mma ufc i was at the one in london it's there's something about you know combat sports the brutality of it the the excitement of it.
It's not for everyone, but it's for me.

Yeah, our guy Patty. You saw our guy Patty the Batty.

That's our guy. I was there.

And Molly the Meatball.

She's here as well. We signed her too.

She was doing the Taylor Serrano stuff.

So, two great characters.

Two great characters. That's what you need.

You need characters in sport.

I enjoyed it because

I started to understand

mixed martial arts. Tyson Fury, do you think he's actually retired no yeah because every boxer like no boxers ever retired tyson fury beat dillian white the other day he facetimed me half a dozen times the next day asking for anthony joshua's number you know so he ain't retiring for nothing i mean look he just wants to make as much tyson fury but who the way is a great fighter and actually a great personality don't believe a word he says i was watching his interview the other day he's like you know i don't care about money i drive a volkswagen passat or something like that he's got about four rolls royces you know he goes i mean i have got a couple of rolls royces but i'm not bothered about them no not at all at all.
You just have selfies in front of them all the time. But he's a great character, great fighter.
I think he will always be there. But he may go to WWE and do a bit.
Francis Ngannou talk about a UFC crossover fight. So I just hope he has those big fights against AJ and Usyk because he's in his prime.
And he could be a. Right.
He's very good, but maybe he won't be. And it is very unique to boxing that retirement for boxers is used as a ploy, and I feel like boxers retire all the time, and then they're like, oh.
He just says what he wants at that specific moment, and then he has to roll with it for a few weeks. It's probably my last fight.
And then obviously as the fight wins, is that your last fight oh yeah yeah thinking no but you know have you ever considered doing that using that ploy like you retire yeah i did say the other day that um i would retire at 50 from boxing never from sport and i probably will really i just see like bob arum yeah for example who you're gonna kick his ass oh what september 12th mad No, September 12th is a Monday. Okay.
So we'll have to do it on the 10th. Okay, 10th.
Because obviously we need the big gate for that one. Yes, I love it.
So, but the thing is, is I look at Bob Arum in interviews, like frothing. You know, I look at his blood pressures through the roof.
Normally talking about me. And that Hearn, he don't know shit about boxing.
You know, it's like, I'm looking at him going, what are you doing? What are you doing? I mean, one, how you're even alive, I don't know. But two, at your age, like be on a beach.
Like have a cocktail and a cigar, you know? I mean, I admire the passion and I admire the durability that the man has. But at what point do you look at your life and go don't need that shit anymore yeah yeah but i guess in the promotion game you have to be competitive and that's not something that i think turns off the second you turn 50 years old no but in all business you have to be competitive but boxing is very different you know i could i could do our other sports till i'm 120 if i lasted that longing's different.
Boxing's sleeping with one eye open. And it's fun.
I still love it. But I think to myself, you can't go, it's about a day not on your phone.
You can't go five minutes not on your phone. Because if you don't get that call, if you don't take that opportunity, one, you've missed the opportunity or you're about to get fucked.

Right.

So you have to if you're going to be in boxing, if you want to be the best, you have to live and breathe it for every second of the day.

And that's a lifestyle that not many can can live.

What's the most ridiculous request that you've ever received from a fighter or from their camp?

Blimey, I mean, just generally like the arguments come sometimes you'll make a deal for a fight and it will fall through down to like the most ridiculous arguments and a very common one is i want first choice of changing rooms and it's like well and then you go to your guy and you go just let you know like we've done the deal but he the deal, but he wants first choice of changing rooms. Fuck off.
He ain't having first choice of changing rooms. There's no fight.
No, no, no, no. What are you talking about? You're about to make 20 million.
Shut up and use whatever changing rooms available? No. I know that venue.
And there's a specific changing room I want. Oh, for fuck's sake.
I've worked on this fight for three months. So different things.
The way they travel to get there, the gloves that they want to use, drug testing for the fight, specifics of it. It's never ending.
It's very difficult. That's why, to be fair to Jake Paul, he's not been tarnished with the bitterness brush of boxing.
So when we did our fight, Taylor Serrano, people keep saying to me, do you like Jake Paul? I've not even really thought about it, to be honest with you. But he's great for the fight.
And we just got together and said, let's make this fight as big as can be. And we're all working in the same direction.
But in boxing, it's like, I don't like him. I'm not helping him.
Oh, I hope he fails. In the end, it's so draining.
Because actually, when you work with jake although he's a little bit out there like it's quite refreshing right because he's like let's make this fight as big as possible yeah right like it's just common sense he's a promoter as well yeah but he's also like him logan they're geniuses yeah they're content creators they're smart kids they're not just you know pricks who have got big mouths they're very smart individuals that they know how to interact with their followers and their fan base and their platform and they've built platforms that enable them to do whatever they like. A lot of people in boxing are bitter about the fact that Jake Paul can walk into boxing.
You hear fighters go, I've been grinding in the gym for 25 years and I can't make it. I said, because you haven't built the platform that he has.
He's built that platform, that opportunity. He can do whatever he wants.
And Logan's super smart. Jake's smart, but Logan is on another level.
Very smart guy. So if it was just about boxing, where would Jake be ranked? You said that he's better than some professional watchers.
No, he's better than some that you'd give to a young prospect. Tomato cans.
You can say tomato cans. But I don't want to disrespect him like that because he may be a little bit better than I give him credit for.
And that will show in time. But, you know, boxing, you've got to be tough.
I don't know how tough he is. It's hard to do road work in silk pajamas.
That's a Marvin Hagler line, and that's a great line. And again, sorry to keep praising Canelo Alvarez, but when you have more money than you ever dreamed of, when you have more belts than you ever fantasized about as a kid, how do you want it more than ever, right? In a sport as brutal as boxing.
And that is why Canelo Alvarez is a pure winner. Because when he was growing up in Guadalajara and he was selling ice pops on the road, he dreamed of having all the things that he's got now.
But now he's got it, he wants it more than ever. And I love that.
Yeah, and it really is the best part about boxing because that's the the rise and the fall of a lot of fighters where you get to see that story arc where they get to the top and then you know it's buster douglas mike tyson and like these things where guys get everything and it's hard to be as hungry as a guy on the rise but when the punches are raining down on you and you're in the clinch right when you have nothing and you know that if you get through this moment you could change your life forever when you've changed your life forever already and you're back in that same clinch and you're fighting someone that wants to change their life forever but you have still got the competitive edge and the stubbornness to bite down on your gum shield and say, no, not tonight. That makes you a true great, especially in a sport like boxing.
So for Canelo Alvarez, he still has that in him. And that is a unique fighter.
That is a winner. Because so many great fighters get to that level and they're not the same person.
And I don't blame them at all. Nazeem Hamed, you know, a great fighter from the UK years ago.
Great example. One of the most gifted fighters of all time.
Made a load of money. Ended up fighting Marco Antonio Barrera.
Went to training camp in La Quinta. He was laughing.
He was looking up at the mountains, laughing at the Big Bear Mountains going, Barrera's up in the mountains. What? Look.
And he was in the pool. You know? And then come on fight night, he got destroyed.
I mean, that's the Rocky storyline right there. Yeah.
Yeah. But boxing's so unique.
And it's hard to explain if you're not in it. But how can you be that same individual that you were when you had nothing in a sport like that? Yeah.
And that's very, you know, that's why Canelo is a hero to so many people. Still the same individual.
Still the same kid from the streets of Guadalajara. Yeah, I feel some people have to keep inventing reasons to get mad in order to spark themselves to keep training.
And some people just absolutely love the sport. It sounds like Canelo falls into that category.
But you have to love whatever you do for longevity and consistency because otherwise you get lazy. Complacency is the biggest problem in business, in sport, in everything.
Once you become complacent, once you lose that drive, you're not the same individual. But that should happen in boxing because it's horrible sport, really.
It's tough to just get punched in the face and still love it even though you're making millions of dollars. Yeah, and you've got a ranch in Guadalajara.
You've got a huge house in San Diego. You're sitting there.

You've got people working for you, bringing your food out.

And someone goes, you've got to go and do 12 rounds of sparring with some 21-year-old kid who had nothing.

Yeah.

He goes, no, I'm all right, thanks.

I'll have a game of golf.

But what he does is he does the 12 rounds of sparring

and then plays a game of golf.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

Unique.

We were talking the other week about some of the fighters

that Tommy Hearn has faced over the years. And it's funny to look at...
Tommy Fury. Sorry, Tommy Fury.
That Tommy Fury's face. Looking at their combined records, I think it's like 12 and 174.
Where do you find, as a boxing promoter, where do you find somebody who's like 1 in 40 lifetime? Like, I mean, they're out there. You know, and it's...

But you know what?

Like, Tommy's doing that because he's actually not good enough to fight other opposition.

But those fighters do nothing for the progression of a young fighter.

But Tommy's fighting bad opposition because he's actually not that good.

I don't mean that disrespectfully, but he's just not.

Like, if we sign a kid out of the Olympics, you've got to build them

and you've got to test them.

Matchmaking is a skill.

It's a science

to actually develop a fighter

and mold him into a champion.

Whereas with Tommy,

the process is more like,

is there anyone out there

he can beat?

You know,

oh, there's this bloke.

You know,

and like.

Yeah.

He's basically just fighting

whoever he can fight

until Jake Paul takes him. Yeah.
And Jake Paul payday for him, that's why Jake's in such a great position, because there's no fight out there for Tommy Fury that can pay him anywhere near that kind of money other than Jake Paul, and I think Jake knows that, and he quite enjoys it as well. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
And to be fair to Jake Paul, they made the fight, and Tommy Fury pulled out two weeks before the fight, so he gave him his chance you know jake paul would yeah i i when i went to tommy fury fought on the undercard against one of jake paul's sparring partners and i was like what the hell um real quick darts you also do darts oh mate why how can we get darts huge in america i love watching barstool yes been a lot of meetings with Barstool and the PDC, which is a professional darts corporation, which is our governing body and our business we run. Darts has so much potential in America.
Because let me tell you, it is the greatest night out that you will ever witness. Go on to YouTube.
Look at the events. We're doing 20,000 crowd for darts in Germany.
15,000 in the UK. It's growing at such a rapid pace.
And coming up in June, for the first ever time, Madison Square Garden. I know you're going to be there because I've been talking to DAZN.
You guys, come to the darts. I swear will not believe what you see oh i believe it i mean the clips that i've seen on tv are just it's it looks you know what it's mental it is it's mental but so up your street because these are ordinary people yeah right a bunch of fat guys yeah but like but it's changing because there's so much money oh i don't like that guys who are looking like've got guys who are looking like they do CrossFit.
Are they working out?

Do you have to do like sit-ups

to be able to throw a dart?

Yeah, but you know,

you've got these guys.

You need weight classes.

Yeah.

You test for students.

Yeah,

heavyweight darts championship.

Is there drug testing involved?

Heavyweight darts championship.

But you know what,

as well,

it's like these guys

are coming from,

honestly,

like normal jobs.

Like it could be a builder,

could be.

Next thing,

they're making like

a couple of million bucks a year and it's just just the fans love it because there's not like this territorial, I want my team to win and if we lose. So everyone just goes and enjoys it.
Everyone dresses up in fancy dress. Like the amount of pints, you know, lager consumed is like through the roof.
It is unbelievable to watch. And it will crack America.
And that's the first little step in June. I like that too.
Because everyone's going for drama. Not like, oh, my team versus your team.
It's like, we just want a great, thrilling match. A lot of the time, they don't actually know who's playing.
Right. That's great.
I hope he's playing. I know him.
Yeah, he's got the funny walk-on music. I like him.
So what do you get dressed up as? Are you wearing tuxedos? No, fancy dress. Whatever you want.
Bart Simpson, Spider-Man, Batman. You know, it doesn't really matter.
That was spoken like a true Englishman being like, what should the Americans dress up as? Bart Simpson. Yeah, exactly.
I didn't really know any others, to be honest with you. What is America? Oh, yeah, Bart Simpson.
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You mentioned his name briefly.

It was a one-off.

I caught it.

So Canelo wins on May 7th. Triple G, Canelo? That's the one.
That's the one. Canelo Alvarez beats Dimitri Bivo in Las Vegas, September 17th.
You'll see the trilogy, Canelo against Triple G. Okay.
Triple G did his part. He went to Japan, you know, after being out of the ring for 400 days and beat the world champion there.
He be in vegas next week i'm sure and uh if he wins as i said you'll see the trilogy now are you a little nervous though because the trilogy will be a week after you fight bob well this is something we have to consider yeah and maybe we'll move the canelo triple g fight because of the size of her and the arum but you yeah you're not going to move that one. No.
That's locked in. But the problem is, at 90 years old, how long can we wait? Yeah.
You got to give him first choice of dressing rooms, right? I'll give him whatever he wants. Maybe one has the special toilet.
I love you, Eddie, because being a boxing promoter has to be just so thrilling because everything you say, you can walk out and be like, I was just promoting. You could talk shit to anyone, but that's promotion.
But I'll build a fight, right? So one of our guys will be fighting someone. I'll be going, yeah, this is a tough fight.
This guy can really punch. I think this is a 50-50 fight.
And then our guy will win and I'll be like, go up to him and go, well done. He's like, no, fuck you.
I heard what you said. You said he could knock me out.
I said, I was just building the fight, mate. I was just saying it.
Don't take it personally. I imagine you take a lot of pictures with fighters.
That's like half the job. We would do that one.
Yeah, so do you do the point? The point. Do you ever do the fist? Do you ever do the fist? You get criticism for the fist.
Yeah, because you're not. Or do you think you are a fighter? You're not fighting.
So now you do the point. But then guess what? You get criticism for the point.
I like the point, though. You got to do something.
Sometimes I try to bring the thumbs up back. Number one.

Number one's good.

Thumbs up.

You got to do the princess.

I think if you're giving thumbs, it's that one.

Double thumbs.

Double thumbs up.

Steady.

Yeah.

But this has been great, and we appreciate it.

We're very excited for May 7th.

Go buy the fight.

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You can hear me and Dave on the broadcast.

It's going to be awesome.

Nothing better than Vegas for a big fight.

Absolutely.

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Okay, FireFest of the Week.

Henry, would you like to lead us off?

Sure, I got a couple FireFests.

This is just a general one.

I just, Apple products are the fucking worst things in the world.

The fact that you need these adapters just to use,

I mean, it's probably a little bit niche,

but if you need an SD card reader, you have to have an extra adapter. you want to plug in an hgmi you have to have an extra adapter the chargers aren't usb chargers anymore you need the specific like usbc chargers uh it's just it's just annoying as fuck i hate apple has nothing to do with the fact that maybe you forgot one of those items no i have all these items but i don't have the proper like i only have a certain amount of the usbc adapters i had to get big guy one for his microphone and it's like i was trying to plug in my computer whatever whatever whatever whatever uh the real fire fest was i was in the austin airport yesterday i was in austin for a day filming an exciting announcement that will be coming out Monday.
But I was in the Austin airport coming to Vegas. And I was walking through and I stopped dead in my tracks.
There was a vending machine that just sold cupcakes. Never seen it before.
It was like, whoa, this is a vending machine, but it's just for cupcakes. I was like, I got to get one of these cupcakes get a cupcake walk over to my gate my flight's boarding so i didn't eat it before i got my flight i was like i'll just hold it and then eat it when i get to my seat as i'm getting onto the plane there was a uh sassy male flight attendant who was like basically call me a little boy he was like oh like you got yourself a nice little boy dessert.
And I was like, what? He was like, I see that little cupcake. Like that looks good.
And he was just so rude to me. Sounds like he's being really nice, Hank.
No, no, no. He's like, look at the big boy with his big treat.
That's exactly what he said pretty much. He's like, you got yourself a little treat there, buddy?

And I was like, what?

Yeah, and then I went to my seat so rattled,

but the cupcake was fine.

But it was just like, it was demoralizing,

if we're being honest.

Hank's just not used to people talking to him that way.

He's used to, please, sir, knocks on the door.

May I enter? Schedule an appointment to talk to me. Not so much the face-to-face guy he used to be i yeah hank i i thought your fire fest was going to be when you had to address the entire barstool sales team and i was standing in the back and hank was like please get out of here big cat yeah i was just smiling ear to ear and i knew he knew that i was going to start taking pictures yeah like we Like we'd, so that, yeah, they asked me to do a little, there's a national sales conference.

They asked me to do a little presentation, you know, naturally.

Uh, and I'm luckily not that nervous of public speaking.

I would probably credit this show and getting roasted on it for six years as a, as a, as

a reason for that.

So I'm like not nervous whatsoever.

And then as I go to stand up, big cat, like finished his little thing. I thought he was leaving.
And then he was just standing in the background, like yelling, like basically like Kris Jenner holding the phone. Like you're doing great, sweetie.
And I was so, I literally had to ask him to leave. I was like, please leave.
Like, please, please leave. So yeah, that was, yeah.
It's been a fire week. Fire ass week.
How was the cupcake though? Cupcake was decent. Yeah.
Not worth the shame that I received for it. I also just feel like cupcakes are that food item that has gotten, it's the ultimate example of like Instagram meets real life.
Where it's like cupcakes have become their own thing. Their own thing that like people think are just like cute and pastel colored and something cool that you can take a picture of.
as far as eating a cupcake i can think of like five or six other desserts that are handheld that i would rather eat than a cupcake yeah i don't like all the frosting like i like the cake but sometimes there's too much frosting sometimes there's not enough frosting yeah cupcakes are like um like five times a year oh that's nice cupcake like it's not it's not something you – I'd much rather have a cookie than a cupcake. I need someone in the Austin airport to also – this is the other thing.
The cupcake comes out of the vending machine and before you can take it, it starts playing a song like, you just got a cupcake. It was wild.
It was one of those things that works. It's kind kind of like a novelty drink for PFT.
If I see a betting machine... Don't bring me into your big little boy cupcake treat.
That was the blues theme, right? Yeah, pretty much. It wasn't that exact jingle, but if someone's in the Austin airport and can get the cupcake and take a video of it, it will give a of context to how just how much I regretted doing this hey uh last year my son's for my son's birthday I don't know what my daughter's cupcakes would be but his were Elmo so I'll bring in some extra after this year you can get your little cupcake pat you on your head thank you yeah no problem probably be Paw Patrol that's delicious all right BFT uh my fire it happened last night, actually.
So I was on the stream. I was doing Ghost of Manhattan stuff, and I had memes.
Memes hit me up and told me before I started the stream that just FYI, Castellanos, he just had a kid, but he's not going to take the day off. Instead of going to be with his family, he's going to go to the ballpark, he's going to play.
You guys know that I love to bet on NFL players to score a touchdown if they had a baby that week. And so he was giving me a heads up, which I appreciate memes.
So I'm playing the game. I'm taking out bandits left and right.
I'm going after Putin hot on his trail. I get texts from memes, all caps, Cassiano just hit a home run put a bet in on him which was plus 440

I was super pumped. I was like, oh, hell yeah, Castellanos just went yard.
Memes was giving me a heads up about it. And then I find out later on that night after I log off and check all the box scores, they reviewed it.
They said it was fan interference, and they took it away.

I got Castellanos. You got John Sterling.

I got Castellanos by Castellanos.

Damn.

I'm his most recent victim now for that.

That's crazy.

It was the right bet.

I thought you were going to say it was when you said you were going to

come up Putin's ass during the stream.

Well, yeah, I said that,

but I meant it in a violent way. a violent i was going to come inside him violently not in a sexual way nice with a with a missile i was going to fire a heat seeker right up his tailpipe i was gonna put my rocket in his tailpipe and explode and i did it uh that sucks the castellanos yeah interference fan interference uh after you go out of your way to put a sizable wager on them that would have paid out nicely and then you hear about it so you i mean i got i guess memes thank you for telling me because it did give me like 30 seconds of pure joy that i'll never be able to take back like i that, that was real to me.
I experienced that moment. And then just later I had to find out, oh shit.
It's TJ Watt. It might be rigged.
Yeah. Yeah, it's TJ Watt.
It's TJ Watt. Okay.
My Fire Fest. It's one of those ones that's very, it's like a personal cringe moment.
So on Sunday, Sundays are usually, Sunday mornings are usually when my brain activity is at its absolute lowest because it's like been a full weekend of parenting and it's just I'm exhausted that my brain doesn't work. I was out walking.
This guy comes up to me. He's like, big cat.
He's got an accent. And he's like, oh, my God, I can't believe I ran into you.
I'm from Sweden. And this is my first time in America and I ran into you and I just for some

reason I don't know why I was like congrats and I've been thinking about that moment like non-stop

for the last six days telling someone congratulations for seeing me is like the

douchiest thing you could possibly say yeah it's like you you basically treat it like he won the

game of life you did it I don't know why I said it I was just like hey congrats dude and I was

Thank you. yeah it's like you you basically treat it like he won the game of life you did it i don't know why i said it i was just like hey congrats dude and i was just like afterwards like what the fuck did i just say um they like don't know if he really like maybe he thought that was like because he was swedish so i i'm hoping he thought like we just say congrats instead of hello um but yeah i i you you know when you have those interactions like uh or like you know when you go to like uh an uh airport and your uber driver drops you off is like have a good flight you're like you too yeah you're like what the fuck did i just do those moments are just they're tiny killers they don't mean anything but they just they stick into your head for a week yeah really if you like that when i checked into the hotel she was like have a good stay I was like thank you too and then as I was walking away I was like they might live there though or if like your teacher's talking to you and you're like yeah all right love you when you leave and you're like oh no I should yeah I thought I was calling my mom for a second yeah you call your teacher mom there's I mean everyone had that moment in like first grade and you're like oh fuck that's the worst thing ever i don't think it's that bad of a thing that you did though because if this guy's like a big big cat fan and he came to the united states from sweden seeing you like that that's incredible he must think like i i did hit the jackpot you're probably right to congratulate it would be like if i went to italy and there's mike toico.
I would want him to be like, he got me.

Got him.

Boom.

Went to France and Rudy Gobert was there.

Yeah, exactly.

Bombing out of the playoffs.

Damn.

Love you, dude.

He's there coughing up a storm.

Billy, you got a fire fest or you just canceled for life?

Billy reposted it.

Yeah, I got to own up to it.

So retroactive fire fest. I couldn't talk about it before, but now that it's out, you can go see it.
I hopped in the ring with Dimitri Buval, who's going to be Canelo's opponent on the broadcast this Saturday on DAZN.com-Barstool for our stream. And it's on video.
Check it out on the Barstool blog and YouTube. But i hop in the ring with him with a couple pads on and it was one of the scariest experiences of my life he also my first fire fest he also got oh what's your second one sorry uh the hogs oh the hogs okay um dimitri beval like that was great when you went up to see him and you're like do you remember me and he's what do you call you he says he's got a really good sense of humor yeah what did he say he said he said john that's great that's a great move it's actually hilarious because i can tell that the way he's been trying to like learn english better is watching comedy so like he's picked up a great sense of humor what if you just watchat? That'd be funny if somebody learned English by watching Borat and they thought that was like how we actually communicated over here.
It also be funny if he just starts like if he's watching comedy and he just picks up only the most controversial bits. He's like just talking about jerking off in front of people like Louis C.K.
Or like he's got real hot takes about trans people

like Dave Chappelle. He's like, yeah, I've just been watching Netflix.

There's

no way Baval's going to win, Billy, right?

Dude, Baval

like you can't

not root for Baval.

The guy is just... Well, you could

be Mexican. I will.
Yeah. I'm going

to root against Baval. I'm going to root for

Canelo. You could be

from Mexico. Yeah,

I'm not sure root against Bavall. I'm going to root for Canelo.
You could be from Mexico. Yeah, but like Bavall, he was like – so the second episode is actually coming out.
By the time you're hearing this, it's on the Barstool blog. Probably check my Twitter.
I'll have tweeted it by then. But he's just the chillest dude.
Like I went to a barbecue with him, and he like makes really good steak. So it was a really great time.
As opposed to Canelo. I take it back though.
There is a way he's going to win. If he's chill, then he might win.
Well, if he just cooks him a steak and just gets him off his game. If you think his steak was good, you should eat Canelo's steak because Canelo, the steak that steak that he eats is actually steroids a stronger steak than the steak that bivaldi's you'd like that a lot better uh no but i mean he like he has one of the most efficient jabs i've ever seen but like i have a very small yeah so between him and i heard that from but i heard that no no but but I've heard that from actual experts.
I've been hanging around with a lot of experts, and Bavall cuts the ring off in ways that people say hasn't been seen since Ali, but in the way that he moves. So it's going to be a good fight.
He's not going to just let Canelo walk all over him. And in order to win, he really needs to just knock him out.
Because it goes to a decision, Canelo's winning. So it's going to be a slugfest.
Well, make sure you buy it to zone.com slash barstool. It's going to be awesome.
And make sure you use that URL, right? Yes, because then you couldn't listen to us. Jake, finish us off.
Yeah, the other day my glasses were on the couch and I accidentally sat on them and they cracked. So I've got a new one coming on the way.
What a nerd. Those? Did you tape them? No, they're just like a little loose.
Yeah, I can tell. You're off your game a little bit.
You are the dweeb that LeBron was talking about. Yes, LeBron's doing a Q&A soon.
Did you guys see that? Yeah, I did see that. Oh, no.
Yeah, so he just tweeted this out randomly. Do you have the tweet pulled up? I can find it.
He said, I haven't done a Q&A in a while. He said, man, I haven't done a Q&A on here in a while.
Coming soon. Haven't done a Q&A on here with y'all in a while.
Coming soon emoji. He could have just done it right then.
Yeah. Dude, I remember Pau Gasol once did this.
He did, like, answering questions hour. He answered one question and just forgot.
It's kind of a power move. Just leave everyone waiting.
I have LeBron notifications set up, obviously, on my Twitter. So I'll be the first to know when the Q&A actually happens.
I think it might be we might have to wait until August for this Q&A. Yeah, it's going to be a long time.
It also might have to be time to bring back baby Braun because he's got three or four guys shouting out every night, it seems like. Ja, he loves Ja.
He loves Ja, he loves CP3, he loves Tyrese. It was Tyrese Max.
Or just set up a bingo card. Yeah.
Actually, I need to start getting my draft ready for what I'm going to ask LeBron in his eventual Q&A. Are you better than MJ?

By the way, their tequilas are up for the same award.

I don't know what the beverage World Series, who the fuck knows,

but I saw that they both have tequilas,

and they're both up for tequila of the year.

So if MJ wins, we'll be talking about that.

If LeBronon does i'll just

pretend this never happened okay noted cool all right uh jake you want to do the numbers yeah you still still hank you still haven't gotten it yep 93 i have not one nine What number, Hank?

Eight

Ninety-three

Oh! You got it? How about that? Let's go. Okay.
Hey, fuck your Panthers. That's a sign.
Back on the caps tonight. That's huge.
Actually, you know, I'd like to give this win to Hank. Give me a roulette number, PNP.
Give me a roulette number. 21.
We got to do a better job of like, I don't know if we can write it down, but every time someone wins, they'll like celebrate. I'll be like, wait, that was your number? Yeah.
It was like two seconds ago. Right.
Hell yeah, PFT. Let's go.
Naps year. 21.
Put on 21, Hank.

Let me know how it goes.

I'll do the same.

I'll do the same.

All right.

See you guys.

Hit him straight.

Yo, are you guys getting lunch or anything?

No.

No, Billy, come give me the log.

All right, I'll do Billy's animal fact of the day.

Sometimes in the wild.

No, sometimes hogs attack leopards.

Fuck.

Love you guys.

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