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Today is Wednesday, April 27th. And the Minnesota Timberwolves continue to be a cursed franchise.
So weird. So weird.
But I will say, though, that I want this series to keep going on indefinitely. I want this series to keep going throughout the entire playoffs.
I don't want either team to advance. I want just this series to continue going on concurrently while the rest of the NBA playoffs takes place because it's so much fun to watch right and it's it's we'd even have a protester tonight and it was awesome and John Morant with the game winner with a second left um you know the the comeback from the Grizzlies who played terrible for the first three quarters and then made that run i like i agree with you i want this to go seven i feel bad for the timberwolves but i also i'm now in in timberwolves if you're a timberwolves fan i think that you can now chalk this up because this series is so competitive every game's a war this is just you're getting you're getting you know your legs under you you're getting those you know playoff uh reps in so you'll be stronger next year so it's not all losses i know you don't want to hear that right now but this series has been basically like two young teams trying to figure it out at the same exact time and chaos ensuing in every single game so big cat you're exactly right two young teams i actually it up because I was like, there's a reason why this series is so fun to watch.
Obviously, you've got great players on both teams. They're the two youngest teams in the playoffs, two of the five youngest teams in the NBA, which means that you're going to see some guys that have the ability to do incredible, amazing athletic stuff, but also make really, really stupid, awful mistakes a lot, which just means that you're going to get a hell of a series you've got a doy doy plays yes james winston was an entire nba team he was playing himself yes yes and it's it's the best for the viewer and um i do have i had i had two dad takes one positive one negative one the one negative was the john morant dunk was incredible, but he didn't get back on defense, and he almost got scored on, and they were down 11, but that dunk was incredible.
I was actually yelling at my TV, get back on defense, John, and the quarter ended, but it might have even been the half ended, but they almost got a layup because no one was getting back on defense. And then the other one, the pro dad take the Grizzlies in the fourth quarter, what they did on the offensive glass was so much fun to watch.
They were battling so hard. I saw the stat.
They had the Grizzlies offensive rebounded 61.5% of their misses in the fourth quarter and scored 12 points off of those. Like that's the game right there.
They just kept on getting second shots. Brandon Clark could not be stopped.
Like he would just, and I think that is the weakness of the Timberwolves. So Timberwolves fans knew that could happen to them.
But there's something about a guy who has like a relentless motor. And John Morant was getting involved involved to a relentless motor on the offensive glass.
That's just, it's so much fun to watch because every missed shot you're like, Nope, that that's not the end of this possession. They're going to, they're going to fight tooth and nail to get this ball back.
Yeah. I understand your point about like yelling at the TV.
That is something that you get when you become a dad. It's like you get the new balances or you get the air monarchs and then you get really mad when you didn't get back when players didn't get something awesome and you didn't get back i actually think that the nba is probably like three years away from implementing a rule where if you have a hard enough dunk the game just stops for five seconds and like lights go off and the reggaeton horn sounds and then everybody's like oh my god you've got the guy from the n1 mixtape screaming like my god son it's over like that's we we should take like a little pause to appreciate that yeah that's when the vibes changed in this game because it was first of all i don't know how he dunked it from there secondly the ability to just like bend the rim from there it wasn't like what the dwight howard dunk in the in the uh slam dunk contest where he kind of threw it down through the hoop.
He like his arm stretched out while he was in midair and got there. It was awesome to watch.
And I love it. I just love games like that.
When at the end of a game, one guy just takes over the entire game and everyone on the court knows what's going to happen on offense and the player can still do it. It reminded me a little bit of that, uh, the LeBron James against the Pistons playoff game back in like 2005 i think he scored like the last 20 points for his team or something crazy like that i love the ends of games like that when it's just you can't do anything to stop this guy no you couldn't and um the uh i did i actually saying that jock should get back on defense is actually not the worst dad take that could happen from that play because there were a lot of people that were saying that was technically an offensive foul and if they called an offensive foul right there i think the nba would just like implode on itself because that dunk was so fucking cool or for hanging on the rim yeah you just have to let it you have to let that dunk stand because it was that fucking cool it was when a dunk is as violent as that dunk it's like it's just so different than every other dunk because you're like oh my god like it stops you in your tracks holy fuck that was a violent violent dunk i also think that the nba should bring back the old backboards for the playoffs just so we can get one shattered and that i miss i miss somebody being able to either break a backboard shout out uh klaxon with his foul shots i like that means that he put out um either either tear the backboard down uh like pull it down on your head like shack used to do or just shatter the backboard it makes games so much more exciting and i want to say one thing in defense of carl anthony towns because a lot of people are doing the like posting him doing this after he hit the big three to go up four with like a minute left or something you have to be able to celebrate those moments that's not like he it's not like egg on his face oh my god how could he shush the crowd like he hit a big shot he played well he's playing more aggressive he still has like a few plays a game where I just i'm watching it he had one where he was like galloping like a horse trying to shoot like a a one-legged fade away while also going forward like that he has these these moments in the game where his his body just makes no sense and i don't think it's almost like he's he's pinocchio with a fucking what is that called what's that guy called geppetto no the yeah but what is this the marionette like his body just like floats but he was good he's been aggressive so i'm going to defend him on the meme that's going around you're allowed to do that when you hit a big three like he hit a big three yeah just like i didn't have a problem the other night when they were up in minnesota and he said we're in minnesota now i That one was just corny.
That was corny. I didn't have a problem with that at all.
He was just happy to be there. Also, D'Angelo Russell at the end of the game, that was hilarious, where it was like, it's D'Angelo Russell time.
That's what needs to happen right now. Everybody clear out.
We're going to ISO. It's me, D'Angelo Russell, and I'm going to this happen and then he almost he almost airballed it but like over the backboard yeah it was it was an awful awful he's a he's an all-time like feeds off energy guy yes his teammates are playing well around him he thinks he's got that too in his bag it's like if ringo were to be like hey guys let me take this solo real quick yeah that's how you get, exactly.
Right. That's what happens.
So speaking of off the backboard air balls, we should, that's a perfect segue to Trey young and what he put out there tonight. One of the ugliest performances like ever.
So he finishes this series and the heat, no Kyle Lowry, no Jimmy Butler, no problem. The Heat are looking as locked in as ever.
Like they deserve all the respect for, you know, like even that, even the one loss to the Hawks was a buzzer beater. So it's not like they lost any games, you know, got, got whomped in any games.
This actually would have been a whomping. This would have been a whomping, a five game series where the only win for the hawks was a buzzer beater but trey young finished this series with more turnovers than baskets yeah 30 turnovers 22 baskets it hasn't been done in like 45 years he was so bad he i tweeted a clip he hit the side of the backboard on a corner three that's like you don't see that in the nba that doesn't happen in the nba i do that all the time but you're right right like and you'll see it in like college games where where a guy like just has to shoot because he's so wide open but it was it was so bad for him and he just kept on shooting he was two for 12 he had more shots than he did points I mean that's I I think we go back we revisit like is it going to end up being a bad thing that they went to the eastern conference final last year because they went in the playoffs and this whole season being like we've we've done We can do this.
And their season ends in kind of a very gross way. Even though the heater are very, very good team.
That was a gross, gross ending for the Hawks. So Trey young had 77 points.
Max Struce had 70 points. Yeah.
He's motherfucking max. It was the bullpen game for the heat is what it was.
John Morant had more fourth quarter points and traded in the game tonight. That's crazy.
I, so I did go back and I grinded a little bit of the tape, watch some of the second quarter. Cause Billy and I went to a science presentation with a guy that's going to be on part of my take coming up soon.
But I watched some of what happened in the second quarter. You know what Spolster did? You know the change that he made in the second quarter?

He's just like, let him shoot?

No, he started to press.

Spolster used the full court press,

which we've talked about a little bit on this here podcast.

Obviously, you can't do it in a full game in the playoffs

because it would be insane.

Your guys would get tired, and the dribbling's just too good.

But he was pressing, and that's when the game switched. Well, they did that all series on Trae Young, not the press, but they just sped him up.
They made him go fast, and he just becomes an uncontrollable mess of a basketball player when that happens to him. And I mean, the Heat defense, Hank, I know that you're riding high off the Celtics, but I would say obviously the Nets were a better team than the Hawks, but this was as big of a – you know, this was as good as a whomping as you could get in terms of the, like, series ending.
Like, basically the only difference between the Nets and Celtics series and the Hawks and Heat series is the Hawks' buzzer beater went in. Like, they – you know, like game one goes to the Nets, that's the same thing.
One of their best players wasn't playing in the series too. I think that – I mean like are not playing 100%.
I mean Jimmy Butler and Kyler Lowry didn't play tonight. True.
They didn't play tonight. That's true.
They basically did load management in the playoffs. That's how much they disrespected the Hawks.
Because this was a game seven, the NBA finals, there's no chance Jimmy Butler and Kyle Lowry aren't playing. They were like, this is fine.
We can win without them. And even if we don't, we'll just win in game six.
No problem. It literally was the first time that I've seen a team do like a bullpen game in an elimination thing.
And they're like, you know what? We're going to throw, we're going to go Max Struisuce and then more max just when you think you've had enough we're gonna give you more of them i just they're just the heat are such a good team right now i would be i that's the team that would scare me as a as a true blue like dyed in the wool celtics believer well he is the team that scares me out of the east here's what you would scare you hank is double revenge i want it the heat play defense like the celtics play defense like when you have a low possession series and both teams are good at defense it basically comes down to a few guys making shots obviously you have jason tatum but the heat i think now officially deserve our respect because that was a whomping and they're looking really good and jake how are you feeling heat culture jake is a heat fan he was tweeting about the heat tonight i'm feeling great i mean i agree with what you said like even next round everyone's going to be talking about yannis versus the red hot celtics who just took out uh katie and kairi whoa whoa Whoa, whoa, whoa. The Bulls already lost game five.

Did I miss something? Haven't you tweeted that they're done? No. They're playing possum right now.
I think you said earlier in this podcast because we're doing a time trial. Later.
Yeah, later. Later in this podcast, I think you said like yeah, this is an asterisk.
The series is over. Zach Levine got covid for the 17th time yeah but go ahead keep going so yeah that series is going to get all the spotlight and the storylines heat versus maybe raptors or 76ers is going to get the uh non-prime time slots because no one respects a team that's been there before but hey i love this chip on your shoulder jake is exactly yeah yeah yeah you you embody it yeah no it couldn't be in a better spot right now um i hope the rafters push it to seven and the heat will host on monday and no one will be talking about that so great call out who you want yeah call out who you want oh obviously i Hank.
No, but who do you want in the next round? Oh, next round? That was great. Excuse me? We're going to have to figure out the stakes for Celtics Eastern Conference Final because that will be awesome.
Hank is a winner. Hank wins just consistently

and everything, but the one... Jake is my kryptonite.

Yeah, the Achilles heel that Hank has

is our darling Jake.

I need you guys

to go to Boston

and Miami both dressed

in full kit. I think it

needs to be a step over bet. I think

the winner gets to step over the loser.

But don't you think they both have to go to the games to get like one game together in Miami? We're getting way ahead of ourselves here. Game time app.
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One game each, Boston and Miami, and then both. And then Hank wears a full Jason Tatum outfit, and Jake wears a full Duncan Robinson outfit.
Well, yeah, I guess we both have to win four more games. Yeah, but we both have to win four more games.
But you're the one that said you wanted Hank when we were talking about the Raptors and the Sixers. No, he called you out by name.
I need this. I need this.
I need it so so bad i saw your tweet earlier tonight about uh the critique of the whiteout is that something that they need to address moving forward because you can get away with that in a first round matchup we're going to gentlemen sweep them they obviously you know weren't bringing their a game but the whiteout it did look weird yeah but apparently i saw a picture that they actually did that once in the 06 playoffs when they had wade and shack so and they wanted all that year so where they go with the black jerseys red red red jerseys and a whiteout whiteout yeah i don't like it i like i like going if you're gonna white it out white it out yeah yeah and i do like i at miami i like like the Miami white out just because everyone just wears their boat attire or their country club attire and it kind of just fits with the whole thing. Yeah, just linen everywhere.
Yeah, just so much linen. Button down.
Button down like two buttons off. Yeah.
They got the sprinklers going a little bit. Heat culture, baby.
Heat culture. right and then the last game um i feel bad for pelicans fans because we just like haven't recapped any of their games because they just decided to play the whole series very very late um i'm gonna say the sons have won yeah they're up 14 that's fair the sons are gonna win this game i need chris paul to get 10 assists um to happen.
But, you know, this is good, good momentum for the Suns. Hopefully they can they can learn how to win a game on the road.
And listen, I want the Pelicans to win the series. But I also understand that as a podcast, we would probably lose one of our favorite guests if the Suns lose this series in Ryan Russillo.
I don't think he'll ever come back on because it would be torture for him. We'd bring up Chris.
We wouldn't talk about anything besides Chris Paul, and I think we'd make him cry, and I love him to death, but I think that we just have to say, you know what? It will hurt all of us too much to do this anymore. So in a weird way, I guess I am rooting for the Suns just so that he can stay in our lives.
I don't want to have to do that to him right but he will but we yeah exactly and and it's going to be a complete bullshit argument that we'll have to make against which is like chris paul once again chokes it away and we'll have to completely ignore the fact that poker's not playing maybe but we have to do that it's like we're an insurgency and it's easier for us to win a battle where there's no actual rules of engagement where we don't give a shit about you know the nuance of the basketball takes yeah maybe i'm rooting for actually now that i'm thinking about i'm rooting for like i don't want any significant injuries but if deandre ayton and like mikhail bridges both got covid and then we and then they lost uh because they just lost three of their starters and then we'd be like chris paul's a choke artist is jay crowder still on the sons yeah yeah he is that would be a lot of it's like jay crowder and chris paul running behind picking rolls yeah um all right uh we're gonna do a quick ad and then on the other side we're gonna talk about the whomping bet and the the wampus cat and then do hot seat cool throne todd mcshay and steven shea great rest of the show coming up back in studio right now the barstool golf time app makes it easy for golfers to find the best tee times at the best prices stop searching all over google for your next tee time start searching multiple courses in your area from one app it It's annoying to have to create accounts for each individual course to book online. Just make one account with us at Barstool Golf Time and book all of your tee times.
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The whomping is complete. The whomping is complete.
Got whomped last night. I was wrong about the Celtics.
Well, Jake was wrong about the Celtics. Mostly Jake.

And I will never regret sticking up for my guy, Jake.

He watches a lot of ball.

When he says something, it's Bible.

So no regrets on my end wanting to have your back on that, Jake.

But it was tough.

I mean, it was reverse whomping.

Not only was it not Annette's whomping, but they got whomped in four straight. Thoroughly whomped.
Yes, Hank. Question.
Yes. And we'll get into it, but how much credit to the loss do you give Jake of being completely defeated before the game even began and having no heart or passion for the Nets to come back? The size coming out of him.
I was sitting next to Jake. He was just smiling.
No, I explained the reason why I was acting that way, though. It's not just the day of the game.
It was like the three days before the game. Jake had been...
I'm glad that it ended last night with a Nets loss at home because Jake could not have taken two more days. That's why I wanted...
I just wanted to rip the Band-Aid off. Yes.
Like, even if... You gotta believe.
No, even if they won two games, it would have been two extra days where I had to deal with it in my head. You just wanted be done with it by the way you can watch the video on pm tv on the part of my take youtube i will stand up for jake right now and just saying uh the wampus cat that took place after the game i allowed him to do pouches so i thought that was fair because he didn't actually have anything to do with this we dragged him in here so he put a whole tin of pouches black buffalo pouches with nicotine checked for on the on the video pft manned up with some skull uh i'm still picking pieces out of my teeth on the train ride back we took a train ride back from brooklyn to manhattan and jake was sitting next to me and he was just starting to sweat i was starting to, because there's after effects.
There's an aftershock that happens.

Yeah, there's a lot of nicotine in those.

There's a lot of nicotine.

And the funniest thing he kept saying over and over again was like, why do you do this?

He was like, this isn't fun.

Yeah.

What's good about this feeling?

Yeah.

And he was genuinely puzzled about why.

A little buzz?

Not like a little like.

Oh, yeah.

You were feeling a little.

Your head was.

I don't know about my symptoms.

Yeah.

Okay.

Let's hear them. Let's hear them.
Nothing. Okay okay as you're putting them in yeah head spinning yeah lightheaded nauseous then you have to poop and then you take a dump the poop part is the best part yeah that's what then you start start it over yeah right right exactly so do not think about doing that when you're driving that's when it's really the best that shouldn't be legal well if you have a tesla well that's why you get it my bad my bad get a dui from dipping billy and bit what billy says is always true i think he was saying dip i'm not even gonna i would love it if jake got a dui behind the wheel and the officer pulled him over.
Like, sir, how much have you had to drink? He's like, I just did two pouches of black buffalo. Yeah, I did a Wampus Cat a month ago.
I was talking about Copenhagen Black, which has, I think, whiskey in it. Again, I don't know if that's true.
Yeah. It's like that.
Billy's like, yeah, if you drink, if you eat a what's the cake? Pound cake. Does pound cake have liquor in it? No.
There's some cakes that have rum in it. There it is.
Billy's like your friend's older brother that comes over during sleepovers and tells you all the weird shit that he's learned in high school. Dude, if you swallow a bunch of pennies, you can't get a DIY.
I was asking him about it. I was like, Billy, I'm trying to put on weight, gain muscle.
What are some things I should do? And immediately he was like, drink olive oil before bed. And I looked it up, and it's a very debated topic.
Some people, it's not confirmed like you should do it or shouldn't do it. It's very much like I think the first thing you look up is like, does this help gain weight? And it's like, no.
But then there's like forums where it's like, yes, I'm doing it. He lives on the bleeding edge of nutrition.
Yes, yes. Well, his advice to me was just do steroids, which I appreciated the bluntness with that.
It's like, you're too far gone for olive oil at bed. So, Jake, I've got a big question, though.
Is there a small part of you that kind of wants to try dip again today? Absolutely not. Not addicted? Did you go to the dentist? No.
Did you make an appointment? I already have one. Okay, all right.
So you were set. You were set.
I was already set. I could see Jake being like, you know, when police officers go through drive-thrus and somebody like sprinkles a little bit of weed on their burger and they take a bite and then they check themselves into the hospital for the rest of the day.
I could see Jake like going to the hospital today just to monitor. Just to check.
Just to check the heartbeat. I apologize to the people on dip Twitter.
They're probably going to come in. No, I have your back.
You actually didn't. This is a situation where you did not actually say anything about this series.
You got dragged in. It was still funny to see you.
I want to do for AWLs. Yeah, and you did it.
You manned up. For the series, a couple things.
Jason Tatum, he was easily the best player in the series. I – like watching him in person, you know, like when you're watching a game in person, you're like, oh, yeah, that guy's just better than everyone.
And that's what it felt like. Scott Foster tried his best to make sure this series went five, but the Celtics were just the better team.
Scott Foster was – it was like watching an artist paint a masterpiece, watching him just the way that he was handling the game. I don't even know if he was trying to make it go five, but he was trying to make damn sure that everybody knew that Scott Foster was refereeing the game.
He makes the weirdest calls ever. Tatum's last foul was very, very bad.
I watched it back on the highlights and I was like, oh yeah, that was a Scott Foster. And you know, Blake Griffin was the one that took the charge, but there was a couple of those that were questionable.
Shut up, Blake. Blake played his balls off him.
All blood and guts. If Steve Nash had put in Blake game one, that series goes differently.
I agree. I mean, Blake's out there.
I think he took three charges last night. Yep.
He was on the floor the entire time diving for balls, falling down. Rebounds.
I'm a little concerned about Blake's balance because he is on the ground a lot. What? Really, you could point out a couple guys on the Nets that effort is not an issue for.
Blake Griffin, I think he had the best plus-minus. I think he was plus-10 on the game.
Dragic played really well. Yeah.
Had a lot of effort. KD, I thought.
Tried hard. He's getting a lot of shit right now in the media, and he's on Twitter responding to it.
But I don't think you can be like, KD didn't put forth effort this year. Let's talk about that real quick because it's obviously Charles Barkley said his comments were basically if you're not driving the bus, if you're not the best player on the team, if it's not your team, don't go around talking like you're a champ.
I don't really understand that. Only the best player gets to basically claim the championship? And you could make the argument that Kevin Durant on the Golden State Warriors was the best player in those finals.
Yeah, definitely. He was the best player on that team.
But it was Steph Curry's team. Maybe I'm misconstruing what Charles was saying because then KD went on Instagram today and posted a bunch of pictures of Charles with all his teammates.
It's just a very weird thing to say when basketball is the ultimate team sport and everyone playing together and no one can do it alone. And it's just like it's very bizarre to be like, yeah, Kevin Durant's rings are fraudulent.
I know there's some people who think that. He was bad this series.
He was. Like he was not.
And the Celtics defense is incredible. But Kevin Durant was not good.
At some level, coaching is involved with that, too, because watching it in person last night, all he could do, he was just playing isolation basketball. He was scoring a lot, but it's like, what? At some level, you can be the best player in the world, but if your coach isn't helping you out by getting you open, he had to work hard for his.
None of his shots came easy. Yeah, it was very frustrating watching the Nets on offense, especially compared to what the Celtics do on offense.
Yeah. It's like they're playing two different games.
And Charles Barkley calling KD out on what is and is not considered his championship. Charles Barkley is the one that's saying this.
Yes. Charles, with all his rings.
Yes. That he's able to say, no, you can't claim that.
I have that right, right? That was what he was saying, the whole if you don't drive the bus he was like if you don't drive the bus don't go around saying that you're the man which is just i don't know it's like john carrey being like yeah i don't know if this this election was legit i wouldn't consider this a win so give me a break like you don't like charles barkley should not be the last the the person that's yeah that's deciding what counts as your championship i'm reading right now yeah charles barkley was discrediting he said charles barkley goes off on bus drivers and bus riders for championship team and specifically talks about kevin durant all these bus riders they don't mean nothing to me if you ain't driving the bus don't walk around talking about you a champion if you're riding the bus i don't want to hear it come on shack tell them all these guys walk around with these championship rings. Hey, y'all bus riders.
But let me tell you something. When you're the bus driver and you've got all that pressure when you have to play well or you're going to get the blame, that's a different animal.
Now, part of what he's saying is true that, like, Kevin Durant has more responsibility in Brooklyn versus Golden State because the team isn't as good, and he has to, like, last year's playoffs, he had to drag them to that game seven, and it was all on him. But are we saying that Kevin Durant's championships don't count? That's wild.
It sounds like a lot of slander towards people who ride the bus as well, which I know Hank disagrees. Like, Hank's a big public transportation guy.
Yeah. Yeah.
We live in New York City. Yeah, you've got to take the bus.
wrong with riding a bus so weird that means that basically one or two guys gets to say they won the championship every year yeah you can't say that the warriors hub trans shaming me yeah that that team was not a bus either that team was a nuclear submarine right i had like nine people doing their jobs at the same time very very bizarre so i i'm on kevin durant's i i think ke think it's fair to criticize Kevin Durant in this series while also saying his championships absolutely count, and that's just what it is. And shout-out Kyrie, the last.
We don't have to talk about Kyrie for a while now, but he did say his COVID vaccination thing might have been a distraction. So that was big of him.
I'm going to wait for all the facts to come out on that. It was great.
Then he finally got there. He's like, I didn't want it to be about me, but it kind of became about me.
It's like, you think? He also said after the game about his plans on next year. He says he wants to re-sign with Annette.
He said, when I say I'm here with Kev, I think that really entails us managing this franchise together alongside Joe and Sean. Yeah, brutal.
He declared himself owner of the bus. Correct, Correct.
Correct. He built the bus.
Yes. Two other quick notes from the game.
The first one that I was there Saturday as well, and I was like drinking, went out after, had a good time. So the music wasn't as noticeable, but I was probably coming down from a hangover still on Monday, and it was brutal.
It's very loud. The music, it just never ended.
There was no – at no point was there not techno music, like not just music blasting. And it's a playoff game.
There should be – like you're there to watch basketball. The music was very loud.
I don't like like shaming bad sports town. Oh, I do.
Like, oh, these guys. There was one moment, though, that I was like in shock, like watching.
There was a kid – there was a moment where the Nets were coming back. Everyone stood up.
Then a timeout happened. Everyone sat down.
This one kid was still standing up, and a guy three rows back was like, sit the fuck down. It's like, dude, it's a playoff game.
Yeah. What are we talking about? New York is not a bad sports town.
New York is a good sports town. The fans care about sports.
I love how angry they get at people. I will say, though, that Brooklyn, or at least inside the confines of the Barclays Center, that location right there is a bad sports town.
I mean, they put a hockey team there and moved it out in like a year. Yeah.
Bad sports town. And we went into history.
That was my other note. Yes.
With Frank the Tank calling every single one. That will also be in Liam.
Actually, Bubba made up a huge compilation of every single one of Nick Clankston's misses and Frank going clank during every single one of them. It was a joy going to a game with Frank.
If you don't know Frank, he's got a routine, and we're used to it because we hear it every day, but being around bunch of people who have never heard his his comedy act was a joy like when he brought up brought out the steve trash people were fucking laughing yeah no and they all hit like all the one-liners were just they were all landing on the captive audience it's a lot like if you make a movie with jim carrey and you're one of his co-stars in the movie You probably get a little bit annoyed by the end of shooting because you've had to deal with Jim Carrey screaming at you for three months. But then it hits theaters and the crowd stands up and applauds.
And you're like, oh yeah, this is very funny. I've just been around it a little bit too much.
Right, and there's something very special about being at a sporting event and having Guy in your section. It can go very bad when Guy in your section who thinks he's funny, like it goes south.
But when Guy in your section actually is funny and has the whole section captivated, that man has all the power in the world. Yeah, because Nets fans were agreeing with him.
Celtics fans were laughing at it. It was very funny.
It's like a bar. Zero technical fouls.
Yeah. See that.
Oh, unbelievable. That is kind of crazy.
That's the part where... I also don't know if that's true either.
Yeah, that's true. That could be a made-up stat.
That's a stat that Frank really wants. He wants his coach getting technical fouls.
But one of the first things that I noticed during the game was there were some questionable calls in the first quarter. Very questionable calls.
Scott Foster was going the other way, and he was— You could see the Nets players start to just look at themselves being like, what the hell is this guy doing what's happening and nobody on the bench blake was the only person on the bench he walked out onto the court and started yelling at the refs from the bench steve nash didn't open his mouth like you got to stand up and fight for you guys a little bit right yes i'd agree um yeah that was like the biggest pop when he finally uh after he went 0 for 10 on the free throws, and then he made one. Yeah, that was pretty hilarious.
It was like a title. I love the sarcastic rounds of applause.
I love the sarcastic ovations. There's nothing better.
Yeah, go ahead. It did feel like a torch game.
It did feel like Jason Tatum, this was his torch. He took the torch from Kevin Durant.
And watching him play, he's so big, but the way he moves is so effortless.

Yeah, and defensively, like everything.

He was, like I said, when you go to a game, you just –

basketball is one sport.

When you go to a game, you can almost feel it, like who's the best player out here.

And it just – you're watching it, you're like, oh, yeah, it's Jason Tatum.

It's not even close.

Yeah.

Like he – the game is his.

However he wants it to go, he can decide. All right.
Other two games. Shout out game time app too.
Shout out game time app. Great seats.
Yeah. So it couldn't have gone better for Hank last night because the Celtics complete the sweep of the nets.
He's a winner. And it looks like the Sixers are in actual real trouble here.
Ever since the three Oh Joel Embiid, a buzzer beater, he hurts his hand, he's still playing, and the Raptors went into Philadelphia and beat them soundly. Now we go to game six.
Hank, are you, like, as a Philadelphia hater, are you looking for this to end quickly? Like, are you looking for the Raptors to beat them in seven, or do you think it would be funnier if the Sixers advanced and then lost in the next round? No, lose now. Yeah, losing a 3-0 series.
All I'm going to say is I'm judging this based on our colleagues, Ronan Smitty. I asked them, and they both were like, could not be lower morale-wise.
They're like, it's over. They've lost.
It's done. And Bede's calling out James Harden after the game.
What is he? He's beautiful to see. They said, how do you feel about James Harden only taking 11 shots? He said, it's not my job to tell him to take shots.
It seems like something the coach should probably be telling. It seems like something he should be doing on his own or the coach should be telling him to shoot more.
So he's blaming Doc Rivers and James Harden. Roan's exact quote was, we're on to Jay Wright.
So that's where Sixers fans are right now. They're ready to just move on to the next page, and Jay Wright is their next head coach.
I mean, it can't get worse than Doc. I think Doc's a funny dude.
I think he's a good, like, I like him. Want to ring.
As an individual, he got to ring. But this would be the absolute final piece of the puzzle for Doc Rivers' postseason coaching legacy.
Maybe the most confusing postseason coaching legacy of all time if he managed to become the first coach to blow a 3-0 lead. I got a little triggered because it was when he was on the Celtics and the Lakers were playing them in the finals, but there's an interview clip of Phil Jackson talking to his team, being like, Doc Rivers has blown more fourth-quarter leads this season than any other coach ever.
We're seeing why. Just keep playing.
He was just destroying Doc. And obviously it was when Celtics lost, but that's bad.
Yeah. I mean, he's a guy that— He doesn't have a good reputation.
His reputation completely lives up to the hype, especially if he goes through with this one, with this grand scheme. One lastist for doc rivers there's only been three times that a team in the nba has ever evened a 3-0 lead uh being down 3-0 no no team has ever come all the way back so they lost three teams have lost game seven after being down 3-0 and going into this postseason if you were to say like which coach is going to blow a 3-0 lead it probably we would all said doc rivers right yeah so and then yeah the other game i mean the mavs are going to hopefully get rid of this jazz team luca feels like he's all the way back um i'm excited because i luca being in the playoffs in the next round is so much better than the jazz and i know jazz fans i think jazz fans actually have come around they're like yeah this sucks like we're we don't really want to watch this team anymore and they need to do something different quinn snyder's aged like a president through this series it's brutal he looks probably 25 years older than he did two weeks ago yeah and uh recurring guest jason kidd maybe going to the next round people forget that's right jason kidd we deli called him actually on this show that's right on on rusillo's show that we put on the podcast.
Yep. Yes.
Was that legal to do? Just like take part of another man's show and put it on your podcast? Definitely not. Definitely not.
Come do something about it, Ryan. Yeah.
All right. Let's do Hot Seat, Cool Throne.
Then we got Todd McShay and then Guys on Picks with Stephen Che. Hank, Hot Seat, Cool Throne.
My My hot seat is unwritten rules.

Okay.

This is baseball.

Talking about dip earlier.

Although this has nothing to do with dip.

I don't know why I just said that.

But over the weekend, PFT's Nationals were playing a game.

And they were down by only six runs.

And the team, the Giants tried to score another run.

They, like, stole a base or, like, waved a guy in at third, got thrown out, and then the Nationals were coming off the field pissed off thinking that they were getting the score run up on them when it was only six runs. To be fair, a six-run lead to the Nationals is like 20.
We're not going to come back from that. But, yeah, I agree.
It was ridiculous. But you know what? Sometimes when you have a shitty team, sometimes you have to just get into a fight to get everybody believing in something together.
Yes. Get everybody on the same page.
You have to start looking for those little perceived slights. Otherwise, you're just going to be dejected all year.
So, yeah, that's probably more about the condition of the team overall. It's like getting in a fight in college when you then go back with all your boys.

You're like, you see how sick that was?

That was crazy, dude.

Did you punch that?

No one did anything.

But you're sitting there afterwards like, oh, man.

Adrenaline bumping.

Everyone's like boys tighter than we've ever been.

That's exactly what it feels like. Yeah, you're up until 4 a.m.
talking about the fight together.

You're like, oh, dude, I forgot I swum on that guy. Yeah, but this would be like, dude, we could have just scored seven runs.
No, no, no, no. Can't do that.
Can't do that. I just get through the lineup once.
Oh, dude, we could have just gotten pizza. Yeah, no.
It doesn't work. It's not the fight.
I called one of my friends one time when I was getting into a fight because I was way outnumbered. And we got into the got into the fight went home about four hours later i want to say around 3 34 a.m the friend that i called barges in the front door like the kool-aid man he's like let's fucking go let's fuck these guys up i was like dude that was at midnight he gets credit though yeah he gets credit he showed up better late than never yeah uh then my cool throne is nfl fan fiction this is gonna be my who's back from Monday Are you talking about me and my dad again? I am talking about you and your dad And I don't know if Chris Sims probably isn't a cousin But he's involved in this one No, we don't claim him Yeah, no, I would hope not Step uncle But he said that Tom Brady was trying to get traded to the Dolphins for a second-round pick

and that they were also going to trade for Sean Payton,

and the only reason that didn't happen

was because of the Brian Flores thing.

Would you say that Chris Sims is well-connected with the Bucs,

the Tampa Bay Buccaneers?

No.

No.

No.

Remind me again where he got drafted and where he played.

What, like 100 years ago?

Okay, so you think everyone's making this up? Yes. Just to piss you off.
Yes. Yes.
Do you believe that? Yeah, I kind of do. I thought it was going to be something else because I just – listen, we love Florio.
He gets dragged sometimes on the internet, but his tweet last night was so emo. I wanted wanted to text him be like you okay dude he said i have a mock draft ready to go i'm seriously thinking about not posting it this year what's the point there are plenty of other ways to talk about the draft without pretending to know what's going to happen like wow what's the like what's the point of any of this i think hemingway what's the point of us doing a podcast i think think Hemingway said the six saddest words in the English language for sale mock draft never read.
What's the point? I'm sure you know Rick Stroud, PFT, a prominent Bucs reporter for the Tampa Bay Times, someone who's very much plugged in the Buccaneers organization, and he was quick to dispute Sims' claim. So whose side are you rolling with here? Who's to say? I mean, do you think like no chance that tom brady wanted to go to the dolphins out of everything that we've heard that tom brady was like going to be an owner of the dolphins this is what fan fiction is like yes there's a chance maybe tom brady might have wanted to entertain going to the dolphins that gets out there and then these these fan fiction writers just start making shit up for clicks very fake news media wait why are you upsetphins thing? What does this have to do with you? It's not upsetting.
It's just like when these things get reported, like, oh, can you believe Tom Brady was going to go to the Dolphins and Sean Payton? It's like, what? And then you look into it. It's like, no, this is, I can start making this shit up.
But you're not mad. But what does it have to, what is it, like, if he went to the Dolphins, would that make you mad? I think he deserves a division rival.
Yeah, no, absolutely. I don't even have to entertain it, but it's more when PFT and his dad bring it up as a matter of fact.
I mean, it sounds purely... Purely what? Fan fiction.
Fan fiction. I think that Hank's probably right to a certain extent where it was something that was discussed.
It was never something that was like ironclad going to happen, but it was probably talked about. And the Sean about and the sean makes it more of like okay and now they know that whenever they write about or dig into like what conversation was had when that's another that's another win for whatever website they're writing for a bunch of clicks coming through i kind of agree with that hank but i also think that it was a thing that was definitely discussed many things get discussed yeah that is true many things do get discussed point hank on that one Yeah.
Lots of things. Lots of things.
discussed. Yeah, that is true.
Many things do get discussed.

Point Hank on that one.

Yeah.

Lots of things.

Lots of things.

Binders of discussion. Yeah, not everyone has ironclad NDAs like fourth floor Hank.

Like a team was going to get one second round pick for Tom Brady

and a first round pick for Sean Payton.

Like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.

That would happen.

Maybe.

Are you being sarcastic?

I can't tell anymore. Yes.
Okay. BFT, your hot seat, cool throw.
My hot seat is the situation and all of his colleagues and cohorts because I'm a shore guy again this summer. I'm going back down to the Jersey Shore.
I got addicted to it last year. Spent about a month and a half down there.
Loved every minute. Booked a beach house today.
It's official. It's happening.
Gonna be playing a lot of golf down there with our good friends at Barstool Golf Time. Gonna be hooking up with tee times.
I'm gonna be slamming pork rolls, novelty drinks, whole nine yards. I'm so excited because I feel like summer gets a bad rap.
I know you're not a big summer guy. Preach.
That's not true. Preach BFT.
That's not true. I'm happy you've converted.
It used to be me against both of you two. I don't like August in New York City.
I will stand by that forever. New York City's disgusting in the middle of the summer.
Hank, what are you talking about? I love summer. Summer's great.
Summer's always been a thing of mine. I like summer too.
I do not like summer in New York City. It's gross.
Is it your number one season? I think it might be. I think summer...
You're not a football guy. Summer slash fall.
No, you can't do that. What the fuck? I like summer slash fall.
No. Yeah, because guess what? Guess what, bitch? September, that whole month until the 21st.
It's fall. No, September is the summer.
We're not doing the lunar calendar.

When Labor Day happens,

summer's over. Okay, well, what I'm saying is

I love the summertime. I love being

at the beach in the summer. I used to do this thing where I would

go on vacations and try to see the world

during the summer, but then I realized every

place I would go in the world, I would just try

to be near a beach. So why not just

live at the beach for most of the summer?

So for a lot of July and August, back at at the shore baby can't wait love it um i i mean i booked a place too i'm not gonna yeah i mean i'm going to eastern long island so i like summer too okay i'll be here on the third floor work i don't think i can go to the jerry shore with two little kids and like walk around and everyone be like big cat what up bro no enjoy your time off i'll be I'll be on the third floor. Oh, you'll be here? Yeah.
Hank will be working. My cool throne is the skies of Georgia and Azerbaijan because on Wednesday night, Hank, would you like to talk about it? On Wednesday night on the part of my take Twitch, PFT commentator will be streaming Flight Simulator.
Yeah, I'm going to be engaging'm going to be engaging manhattan i'm going to be finally i i'm going to hop on twitch and i'm going to shoot down a bunch of migs so uh 8 p.m wednesday night i'll be patrolling the skies hope to see you guys there i don't know really how to fly that well probably going to crash nine times more than i i don't crash but um i'm looking forward to it there we go join us tune in while he lights up the skies um all right my hot seat is every other quarterback not named Kenny Pickett because our guy we here at pardon my take have created a website everyone should go visit it it's called Kenny's hands.com Kenny's hands.com and you might be, what's Kenny'sHands.com? Well, it is a place where you can decide the difference between Kenny Pickett's hands, see if Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger or smaller than random objects. So you want to fire it up real quick? Fire it up.
Is it an apostrophe? Kenny'sHands.com. No apostrophe.
I don't think you can type apostrophes into the URL bar.

I don't think so.

I do not think so.

Let's just see.

Here we go.

KennyPickett's hands are bigger than two Crayola crayons.

KennyPickett's hands are bigger than a four-pack of AA batteries.

KennyPickett's hands are bigger than a Cosmic Brownie.

Ooh, KennyPickett's hands are not bigger than a concrete grain silo. Ooh, okay.
He just barely missed that one. It's a tough break for KennyPickett's hands are bigger than a cosmic brownie.
Ooh, Kenny Pickett's hands are not bigger than a concrete grain silo.

Ooh, okay, just barely missed that one.

It's a tough break for Kenny Pickett's hands

are bigger than milk bone dog treats.

Ooh, Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than sidewalk chalk.

Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a skateboard,

parentheses tech deck.

Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a Lego bionicle.

I don't know what that is, but they're bigger.

Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than Exhibit 164A from the OJ Simpson trial. Kenny Pickett's, now this is fairness because everyone should go check it out.
Kenny Pickett's hands are not bigger than the Burj Khalifa. Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a Pittsburgh steel adjustable wrench.
Wow! That's big, that's big. These are all the things that Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than.
everyone who's saying his hands are too small we are here to uh dispel that go visit it visit it often spread it around to the people kenny's hands.com do you think that kenny's hands are bigger than more things and they are not bigger than yes i think so yes well i mean we could just check the site that's true if you hit it it's one of those like like, are there more doors or windows questions or doors or wheels in the world? I think that his hands are bigger than most things in the world. I just did it 15 times, and there was only the Burj Khalifa.
Which is maybe the biggest thing in the world. Right, which is the biggest thing in the world.
So I don't really know. Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than Infant Yeezy Boost 350.
Those are big. Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a ballpark frank that's a lot of things that's a lot of things wait wait billy can you fact check this they're bigger than the world's largest megalodon tooth yeah megalodon's tooth about like six by six okay so they're bigger than that yep wow megalodon was kind of a bitch huh yeah those teeth weren't that well no they're big teeth they're big teeth Kenny's hands are bigger Kenny's hands are bigger I was assuming if you're gonna call it megalodon it should be mega it's not very mega yeah um so yeah go check it out kennyshands.com and then my cool throne is the Milwaukee Bucks because they uh get to go to the second round because Zach Levine has COVID for like the fourth time.
So I think we all agree that the Bulls were right. We're about to beat the Bucs, have a historic comeback.
But Zach Levine got COVID again. Yeah, it's a tough break.
Yeah. So what are you going to do? Asterix.
Asterix. Asterix on this series.
Something to build on. Bullshit.
That was total bullshit. All right, Billy.
My hot seat is Genghan according to the smithsonian magazine a new study by the european journal of human genetics has determined that genghis khan does not have the highest genetic net out of all y chromosomes ever so what does that mean so remember how people used to say that genghis khan has 16 million descendants and was has like the widest yeah he like Seattle Slough. Yeah, in like 0.5% of the world population.
Turns out he is one of 11 who has that wide of a reach by a new study. Whoa.
So you divide all of his offspring by 11 is what you're saying. No.
So there's another guy who they, so there's another dynasty ruler by the name of Chin, a Chin dynasty ruler, and that's Q-I-N-Q, called Geokanga, who also has up to 16 million living descendants. So Genghis Khan is off the throne of the highest.
Wow. That's what everyone knows him for.
Tough break. Okay.
And my cool throne is Zach Wilson. there's a very funny relatable video that was going around of Zach Wilson on the golf course bantering

with break. Okay.
And my cool throne is Zach Wilson. There's a very funny relatable video that was going around of Zach Wilson on the golf course, bantering with some people.
And for some reason, be it his PR team or even the Mormon church, that video cannot be found anymore. It's been totally scrubbed.
Every time it's uploaded somewhere, it goes away. So you sent it to me.
I know because I have it. So I have it too.
Now it too now it's very relatable but for some reason we post it no so i try like i tried to blog it but it was basically not worth blogging because whatever entity out there that's having it scrubbed from the internet is doing it very well so did you compromise me by sending it to my phone no okay but it's on my burner account for those that know can you oh it's a hilarious video it's nothing bad for Zach Wilson. It's just him on a golf course bantering.
It's very funny. He's just making funny jokes.
I think you should put yourself on the cool throne too, Billy. You are one of the most fashion forward people I've ever met.
I haven't seen someone wear socks with Sperry's. We're bringing back elites and Sperry's.
Well, I think the more questionable decision is the socks are being worn on the outside of your sweatpants. I'm tucking my sweatpants into my socks.
Yeah, what's the logic behind that? He's basically Kanye. It's active wear.
Okay. Got it.
It's ready for active. Competitive casual.
Exactly. Yeah.
I just sent it to everyone, so now everyone is going to probably get shut down by the Mormon church. No, no.
Just if you just if you post it online It was on Reddit, it was on the Jets Reddit forum It was everywhere and then all of a sudden it just disappeared It's not even coming through to me Yeah, it was on TikTok It's a very funny video, it makes Zach Wilson very relatable He got shadowbanned on iMessage Because he sent this Jake, your hot seat cool thrown Then we'll get to Todd mcshay and steven chay my hot seat's the nba on christmas day yeah you saw this so the nfl is now doing a triple header on christmas day so they just took over spank nfl is king this was what i think you said it's pretty much mentally your opening day of the nba yeah christmas day now it's just no one's gonna talk nope i i do love NBA on Christmas Day, but not when NFL's being played. Nope.
Is there any day that the NFL could not take over if they wanted to? March Madness. Yeah, people were saying like...
No, I actually would agree with that. I think the novelty of March Madness...
Thursday, Friday. What if they had the draft on Thursday of March Madness? I would watch March Madness.
I would too, but what do you think would get higher ratings? Probably the draft. I mean, yeah, because also, I mean, it's cumulative, like March Madness ratings, maybe March Madness.
Right. Yeah, I mean, that would be a toe-to-toe.
Yeah, the NBA, they're screwed. And I know there was a lot of NBA fans like, well, they can only do this when Christmas is on a Saturday or Sunday.
Right, because they're moving the big slate to Saturday. They did this a few years ago.
Just so you know, they can do it whenever they want. Yeah.
If they want to do it next year on a Tuesday, they can do that too. Yeah, Roger Goodell determined that the only rival that he had yet to conquer was Jesus.
Yeah. And so he's got him square in his sights.
Yep. I think there's going to be a game.
I think I read this earlier today that there will be a game on that Black Friday after Thanksgiving. Ooh.
Wait, really? Which would conflict with the USA-England game, I think. Well, that already conflicts with Iowa and Nebraska.
Yeah. That's true.
It's an all-time color game in college football. I watch that every year.
And Virginia Tech UVA. Amazon's made a bid for a Black Friday game.
It doesn't look like it's official yet. Okay.
We're exploring the possibility. That would be tough for me personally.
$70 million to $100 million for one game. No, that's a traditional day that I need to stay the same where it's like all the games that I lost on Thanksgiving Day, I can then be like, all right, I'm taking Iowa.
Yeah. So don't do that to us.
And then your cool throne? My cool throne is the Rams social media team. Yeah.
Cool video about the draft. They don't even have top picks.
I started to watch the video wanting to hate it, and then halfway through, I was like, this is pretty fucking cool. Are they staying in another sick bachelor pad? Oh, yeah, that's right.
I forgot they did that. They had the best house last year.
Yeah, they did. I don't know but like who needs picks if you're winning i guess that was probably a covid thing trophy yeah probably will just be in or no they'll probably just be in their facility but yeah i do respect the rams just complete commitment to just paying for any free agent never having draft picks and just saying fuck the draft in general yeah i did you watch the video It was sick i mean i saw it was better than like most movie trailers i saw aaron donald at the chalkboard right yeah i saw that part yeah yeah and i think was it who was who was the actor that's playing stan kronke was it dennis quaid i think dennis quaid was in it so they they they essentially were like we don't have to do any scouting for first and second round yep so let's put all of our resources into making this awesome video i love that what now it could be a smoke screen it's lying season what if what if the rams oh like trade all the next five years worth of first round picks to move up for the first round draft yeah into the weakest draft ever that would be you never know yes zag on everyone's zig um all right let's get to our good friend todd mcshay and then we have Stephen Shea guys on picks after that.
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Now here is good friend of the program, Todd McShay. Okay, we now welcome on our good friend, Todd McShay.
You will see him on Thursday night on ESPN. The NFL draft is here.
We had Daniel Jeremiah on this week. We talked to him about this draft feeling like it isn't as, I don't know, it doesn't have the pop that past drafts have had and I'll pose the question to you that I posed to him why is it is it is there a specific reason you could point to it's like it doesn't feel like there's as much being talked about coming up with this draft as opposed to the last few drafts first of all you you call me a good friend but you only you text me once a year and ask if i'll come on your show that's true that's a good point that's a good point wait is that how you treat all your good friends no hold on i definitely texted you before that i definitely did i'll i'll find that you answer the question i'll find out i'll find all the good friend stuff we did gotcha all right no um quarterbacks man that's a simple answer right i mean last year we had five quarterbacks in the top 15 um you know you had you had three in the top was three in the top four i think it was last year so and trevor lawrence and the build-up for for him going number one and the jet's going to take zach wilson i mean there was a lot of intrigue.
This year, the talent levels of a notch below just about every position too. And I, you know, it's not great to be hyping up the draft on Thursday and saying that just about every single position you go across the board.
Like I would take Pene Sewell and Rashawn Slater over the top two tackles. That doesn't mean that Iki Iquanu from NC State and Evan Neal from Alabama and Charles Cross from Mississippi State aren't very good so to me the intrigue this year is and I've talked to three GMs in the last five days I've talked to 10 different teams in the last seven or eight days almost every single conversation starts with I can't remember a draft where like you talk to a different team and like all four receivers let's say drake drake london garrett wilson chris olave his teammate in ohio state jameson williams from alabama you can literally find teams in the league that have that four those four in all different orders and and there are different teams that have Drakeke london one alave one garrett wilson one and jameson williams one so then you go to like offensive tackle i know the giants and the carolina panthers have i should say i know i am told and i believe based on the source charles cross from mississippi state ahead of icky aquano and ahead of Evan Neal.
And then there are other teams, like Houston very well could take Icky Iquano at number three, and if he doesn't go three, he'd go four. But every position, I think, is just a tick behind last year.
And this year's receiving group, we could have seven receivers in the first round. I would bet on, if the over-under is five, I would take the over.
that's crazy so what which is as good as two years ago it's a lot like two years ago when henry ruggs was the 12th overall pick that was the first receiver off the board but there were six first rounders last year there were five but but jamar chase there's no jamar chase in this box so is there any position would you say like this is the X position that's better, like, unusually good? The punter? You've got Ariza. Is this the draft of the punters? He's a good jumping off point.
Edge. I think edge and wide receiver are the deepest groups.
And it's weird because this year, because a lot of shortened schedules last year in 2020 due to COVID forced a lot of players to come back to try to prove that they were first rounders or second rounders or third rounders. And so there's more talent in the third and fourth round this year than any draft I can remember in the last 20 years of doing this.
But no one wants to talk about the third, fourth round, right? But I think edge, when you have potentially the top three picks coming off the board at one position that's not quarterback, that's a big story. I mean, I think Trayvon Walker is going to be the pick for Jacksonville, which is a surprise, but that's based on, like, conversations in the last three, four days, honestly.
I thought follow along that they would go with the solid double, Aiden Hutchinson, leader, team guy. He's prepared.
He has the stats. 14 sacks a year ago compared to Trayvon Walker, nine and a half sacks in his entire career at Georgia.
But you look at this position with Aiden Hutchinson, Trayvon Walker, Kayvon Thibodeau, who is going to go somewhere in the 2-3 to 8 range. I'm told the parachute pick would be the Falcons at 8.
But then after that, Jermaine Johnson from Florida State, George Conloftis from Purdue, Penn State's Arnold Ebicady, Boye Mafe from Minnesota. I mean, there's a lot of edge defenders and a lot of wide receivers.
And that's why I think you might see teams like the Jets who pick at 4-10 and then 35-38 pass on receiver early, especially at 4, because when the tackles run out, they run out. After those first three, there's Trevor Penning from Northern Iowa, and then there's a massive drop- drop off after that so I think tackles are going to go quick because teams know we can't get a really like a starting tackle day one early in the second round I like your answer about how each team has these guys uh you know ranked differently because I think that actually plays into what we're talking about this draft maybe not not having the pop.
A lot of fans go into the draft, and it's almost like you have a guy circled, and it's basically you go in the draft, you hope you draft the guy that everyone's saying, and then if you don't, you can bitch and moan. Right now, everyone's going in the draft, and there's basically everything's a question mark.
Let me ask you this. There's a couple teams that have multiple picks in the first round.
Everyone feels like they want to trade back, but at this point, there can't be a big market for trading back because of this draft, correct? It's going to be difficult for teams to say, oh, let's punt to the future. Let's get another pick next year and trade back in the first round with our second first round pick.
That feels like it might happen yeah I tend to agree and I think as I mentioned before with offensive tackle that could be the spot or the position that you see teams move up for normally it's quarterback right I don't think we're going to see any movement at quarterback in fact I'll be shocked that if a team in the top 19 picks that didn't trade up takes a quarterback so maybe there's a team that moves up ahead of Pittsburgh maybe Pittsburgh has its eyes set on Malik Willis from Liberty and says you know we're not going to wait for a team like Detroit or Atlanta or Seattle who have a bunch of picks later to try to move up ahead of us so maybe they get out get out ahead of the curve but if nobody traded in the first 19 picks, I don't have a team for you that would draft a quarterback. What about Carolina? Pittsburgh, what's that now? I'm told that it's not going to happen.
Really? I heard the news on Friday, and then I talked to two different general managers that had heard the same thing. That Carolina, I think Matt Rule wants to draft a quarterback.
Matt Rule if things don't go well next year isn't going to be there and I'm told it's kind of both sides that Matt Rule wouldn't wouldn't be disappointed to go be a head coach in college football again and and the organization isn't going to let a coach that might have just one year or maybe not even a full year left as their head coach be a major part of their decision making for the future so i again i don't atlanta at eight is not taking a quarterback i don't see seattle at nine taking a quarterback i think you're going to see the run happen where it should happen these quarterbacks are back half of the first and early second round quarterbacks that's where the grades are that's that's that's also part of it because we are now conditioned, and you can go back to even the Christian Ponder draft where he was a big bust, but we're conditioned that no matter what, the week of the draft or even the month of the draft, quarterbacks will start getting the buzz and they'll start moving up the draft board. So you're saying that this might be one of the first times in a long time where the quarterbacks get picked where they probably should get picked and there's not this crazy rush where everyone jumps up and maybe reaches a little bit it's starting yeah it's it's starting to look like that very much so and it's like it's funny when you talk because in the media like we're we're so conditioned that that's exactly what's going to happen, right? Like, all right, here we go.
It's mid-April. Where's the buzz? And then you hear one little whisper about, well, you know, this team can move up.
And it's like, all right, it's going to start. And everyone was like, Malik Willis, I'm here, and he's going to the top 10.
Tell me where. Like, I don't see it.
This year's class reminds me so much of 2013. See if I can remember that.
Blaine Gabbert was a surprise at three to Jacksonville, right? Then it went to, I think, 22 with Johnny Manziel. Then Teddy Bridgewater was 32, I want to say, the last pick in the first round.
Then Derek Carr was early second with the Raiders. And then New England drafted Jimmy Garoppolo.
I want to say it picked 62 or 64. So it reminds me a lot of that class because there could be that one wild card that we don't foresee at this point.
Cause remember, if you remember back to 2013, I thought Bortles would be the first quarterback off the board. I didn't think at number three.
I mean, that shocked everybody. Anyone who says that they knew that and does not work for the Jaguars at the time, they're lying.
So this is very similar. And it won't surprise me, too, like if Desmond Ritter or Matt Corral or Sam Howell, very similar to Derek Carr and Garoppolo, wind up being the better quarterbacks five years from now, and they were the second-round picks.
I mean, it almost went in reverse order in terms of career success, throw out Johnny Manziel in that, really. Yeah, but Blake, I hope that's not a ricochet shot at Blake right there because he beat the Steelers in the playoffs.
That's true. He did.
He ended Big Ben's career pretty much. Bridgewater, I would say, had a little bit more sustained success.
Carr obviously was better than Bridgewater. Garoppolo isn't better than Carr, but he's won bigger games.
Yeah, it was a 2014 draft. You did nail the Teddy Bridgewater.
It was 2014? 2014. 62 overall was Jimmy Garoppolo.
But, yeah, this is actually a very good comp draft where it's a lot of guys late in the first and early in the second. Now teams, let me ask this for a quarterback because we've seen it.
You can even point to Teddy Bridgewater. We saw it with Lamar Jackson when the Ravens moved up.
Will there be that move up at the end of the first round because you know that you actually have that extra year of control for a quarterback? Was that where you could see? I mean, I don't know, you tell me what your quarterback's rank, like Sam Howell or someone like that, someone trading up into that last pick in the first round? I absolutely could see that. I've heard that Atlanta has a thing for Matt Corral.
That wouldn't shock me. See, it's strange this year because the 32nd team usually doesn't need a quarterback, right? But Detroit made that trade.
Stafford, now they have the 32nd pick. And so Detroit, I don't think Detroit is hell-bent on taking a quarterback.
I'm certain they're not taking one at two, right? At 32, I still think they want to build their team, and then they pick a few picks later, early in the second round. So it wouldn't shock me if they came out of those first three picks without a quarterback.
But if you're a team that likes a specific quarterback and you don't know, you don't know what Detroit is going to do with that 32nd pick. Yes.
You want to move up ahead of Detroit. And also the, the wild card here, the Tennessee Titans at 26, Ryan Tannehill turns 34 this upcoming season I believe 34 and his contract it eats up a ton of cap space next year but then they could get rid of him they could part ways after the 2022 season right so draft a quarterback this year if you're Tennessee like if Malik Willis is there or Kenny Pickett is there, draft him, sit him, let him develop, let Tannehill go do what he did last year.
I mean, they, they won a bunch of big games. They just, he, he bit it.
Tannehill did in the playoffs and they played well. So to me, it's like, all right, we're paying, I want to say it's like 38 million next year for Tannehill.
And then the following year, you could be paying $3.5 million, $4 million for the next five years for the quarterback that you draft. And then you get to take that other $33 to $35 million and go secure A.J.
Brown, bring in some veteran free agents. So that might be the play for Tennessee.
So to me, it starts at 20 if there's no trades. Tennessee's kind of a wild card at 26.
Detroit at 32 is a possibility. But then Atlanta is lurking.
I think they pick at 38 or 39 early in the second round. And Seattle's lurking.
They pick at 40 and 41. They have back-to-back picks early in the second round.
What's the mechanics like of the actual trades on draft night if you're a gm and you're going into the draft you already have an idea of like which teams you're going to contact when it's your turn to choose and then who might be interested who might not be or are you sending out like 30 text messages to every gm you know being like hey if you want to move up i'm looking a deal me your best offer. How does that work? Well, a lot of those calls have been going on for like the last week and will continue to go on this week.
Kind of just playing scenarios. Hey, you know, don't be surprised if you get a call when you come on the clock.
I'm not telling you who we're looking for, but if the draft goes a certain certain way and you don't iron out details now necessarily, but you kind of, you can get into discussions on what would it take? You know, if we're sitting here, I don't just throwing on a number, a number nine, but we want to get to six, like, what would that take? And try to like get a parameter done so that when you're on the clock, you're not starting from scratch and negotiating back and forth so a lot of teams are working that out right now it'll be interesting I've heard I've heard Houston they've got they pick at three and 13 they're a while that every GM I've talked to says like we kind of know that the edge rushers are going one two whether it's Trayvon Walker Hutchinson or Hutchinson Trayvon Walker but at three Houston could go Iki Iquano at offensive tackle I heard they actually like Derek Stingley ahead of Sauce Gardner at the cornerback position they're one of a few teams I've now heard that have that that flipped and then and then they also love Garrett Wilson they're not taking Garrett Wilson at three but because they have so many picks this year they could try to package a couple later picks to move up from like 13 to maybe let's say nine right with seattle to get ahead of the jets in washington because the jets will have a wide receiver need i i think they'll go a different position it could be cornerback offensive tackle at number four and then the jets would be sitting there at 10 with maybe like drake lond London sitting on the board or Garrett Wilson if Drake London goes eight to Atlanta. Because I think the receivers will start to come off the board at eight.
But then you've got 10 with the Jets, 11 with Washington need wide receiver. If Houston likes Wilson as much as my intel is saying, then it wouldn't surprise me if they moved up and got in the top 10.
The Chargers really want to get an offensive tackle. Don't be surprised.
They're a player or two away. Don't be surprised if they package some picks to move up.
If like Evan Neal is still available, if it goes Iki Iquano at three or four, and then Charles Cross goes number five, it wouldn't shock me if they tried to move up. Carolina wants an offensive tackle, but they also want picks because they don't pick in the second or third round and they've got a bunch of needs so that could be a team that winds up moving out of six to allow the Chargers to come in to get to get a tackle so when you're doing all your uh you know you obviously have your own film study but then you're talking to GMs is there ever especially during draft week is there ever a case where you talk

to someone and you're like i think this guy's just trying to get me to to get some smoke out there like has that happened to you so yeah absolutely so when that happens do you do you like all right i'm not i'm not trusting this person anymore are you like okay okay so that does happen yeah i had I had a good friend once feed me information that was not true.

And it doesn't, like, I have friends, like, real friends, like, that I had past history with. Like us.
Whether I'm going to school or working with, whatever. Yeah, me and you.
We're real friends. Yeah, exactly.
Right. We text all the time.
Right. And he gave me information that the organization specifically asked him to give to me to get it out there because they were trying to maneuver around and make sure that a player got picked before so the player that they wanted would get to him.
And I haven't trusted him since. That was like 12 years ago.
Wow. I'm still friends with him, like friendly and talk.
But yeah, but I keep a list of I have like these little note cards. keep a list of like anything that like jumps out you know because most of the time you're just talking scenarios and then going through position group rankings right like this is how we have them that way i keep a list of like all right you know team x has this team y has has these receivers team g has these receivers ranked in that order but then i also if something really jumps out i keep a separate sheet of like all right they gave me something very specific that was kind of out of character did this happen if like the potential was there for that situation to to occur did it happen or did they go the exact opposite way and that's how you learn i mean i know there are four guys in the league that i know they're not going to lie to me.
Right. There are probably eight or nine other guys that I'd say they're 80 percenters, you know, and nothing has been blatant.
But there are a few that I just it's good to talk ball with and get their feel on some positions. But I know that when it comes like the last 10 days before the draft, their agenda is to use me to try to move the board a little bit.
You got a burn book. I like that.
You should start using us. So when you know that someone's lying to you, you should give that to us and we will put it out.
Because we don't care about being wrong ever. Right.
No, that's become very clear. We in fact embrace it.
Yes, exactly. That's actually what, like, do you think there's a space for us in the NFL draft world where if PFT and I just specifically our only use is for teams to give us bogus stories that we then push? Worst buzz.
Top 10 worst buzz. Yes.
These are things you absolutely, like, Detroit is taking Malik Willis at two. I heard that, too.
Yeah, I heard that. Actually, we should get Billy's dog to be the draft expert that puts out all the bogus takes.
Yeah, we could do it. A strong buzz about Malik Willis to Detroit at two.
Kenny Pickett is a lock to go. Matt Rule recruited him, Temple, the whole thing.
He's a lock. I'm told it's already done.
They're working on the contract. Speaking of which, we're going to run this on Wednesday.
We're going to debut. We have a new website that you should check out.
It's called kennyshands.com, and it's everything that Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than. So I don't know if you – Not much.
Actually, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd.

How about a Swisher Sweet Pack?

Bigger than that.

A Ballpark Frank?

Bigger than that.

A John Deere Utility Tractor?

Not bigger than that.

So you can just hit the button over and over and see what his hands are bigger than.

They're bigger than a lot of things.

Is that when his thumbs disjointed or is that when they stretch it out? He's got perfectly normal thumbs, Todd. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah.
It's totally fine. He wears a glove.
What else do you want? This is why I like coming on the week of the draft. Final word on guys.
Yeah. All right.
So along those lines, when it comes to hand size, when it comes to loving the game, when it comes to, I don't know, 40 time, those are all tiebreakers for you, right? Or is there a specific attribute that is not a tiebreaker that is a building block? Because I've always assumed when you talk about hand size, obviously you want bigger hands that's smaller, but if the guy's really good, it doesn't matter as much. Yeah, I mean, to me, a cornerback that's probably, there's no position that is driven more by numbers and specifically 40 time and arm length i mean that's critical because it's like you know a fraction of a second it's inches so like a cornerback with 31 and a half inch arms versus a corner with 33 and a half inch arms it sounds ridiculous but you take that extra two inches and you add it to a 439 versus a corner with 33.5-inch arms, it sounds ridiculous.
But you take that extra two inches and you add it to a 4-3-9 versus a 4-4-9, that can be the difference in five pass breakups a year or an interception or two. Yeah.
And getting back into a play when you get out of phase. So that position, you weigh it more.
There are some positions like you just kind of have – I've kept logs and logs and have all these analytics of what's most important like the short shuttle for interior offensive linemen is critical who would have thought like right but it's just that short area burst and like the the mirror and slide lateral ability and body control staying under control when you're trying to go full speed and and then to reverse direction. So there are definitely things that I weigh a lot more.

It's not like height, weight, 40 time, and bench press.

I mean, bench press is one of the most useless things, in my opinion, in scouting.

Disagree.

It would be pretty cool to get 42 reps.

Yeah.

I mean, how else do you know how sweet a dude is? It's the most fun. It's the most fun event at the combine.
I mean, there's like a crowd around the scouts. You got the weight coach, the trainer standing behind screaming at the guy.
All the teammates are cheering him on. Punching his chest before he gets like, that's fun.
It's a fun event to watch. But like, what did I learn when it stuck? Yeah.
This dude's strong. Yeah, no shit.
He played college football for three years. He's been in a weightlifting environment before.
We were talking the other day about comparing this draft to players that are currently in the league. So doing the thing where you're like, if Tom Brady, at his age right now, was coming out of college, where would you have Tom Brady going? Ooh, that's a good one.
I mean, he's going in the first, but probably a little bit later to a team that legitimately has a chance to make a title run. But does he really love football? It's wasted on the Jags and Detroit and the Jets and all those teams that are picking in the top ten for the most part.
But yeah, I could see a team that's a quarterback away or needs an upgrade. Like Tennessee, yeah, give me one year.
Give me one year and we can win this whole thing. What about Aaron Donald? I mean, he'd go in the first round again.
I think Aaron Donald's got two, three. I mean, if he wants to, he's got three, four left in him.
Yeah, at elite level. You know you're getting at least one year, and if you're going to draft him in the first, you've got to at least get, I would say, two to three out of him.
Who do you have number one on your big board? Aiden Hutchinson. I mean, out of players that are currently in the NFL.
Oh. The big, big big board.
Oh, yeah, that's actually good. Would it be Patrick Mahomes? Josh Allen? I would go Mahomes.
Yeah? Yeah. I tell you what, though.
I'm going to get four years out of Aaron Rodgers. And, you know, MVP, MVP, like, I don't know.
A lot of headache, though. A lot of headache.
Aaron Rodgers goes to the Jaguars. Are they an instant contender? I don't have to coach him.
I just have to draft him. Yeah.
Yeah, that's true. Aaron Rodgers what? If he goes to the Jaguars, are they an instant contender? Yeah.
Yeah, in that division? Yeah, they would be. I mean, to get in the playoffs, I mean.
Not Super Bowl, but to get in the playoffs, they would be in that division. When you're like regrading, do you go back and regrade your own drafts? Or do you go back and look at all these drafts from the past to try to figure out, okay, what was wrong? I guess my question is, how do you decide what's a success or not? Is it years? Is it – you know, like if a guy – you draft a guy in the second round, he starts for you for four years.
Is that a great pick? Yeah. If he starts and plays at a good level.
I mean, Pro Bowl is – Pro Bowl is so watered down, but like all pros obviously are kind of the standard yeah um if you get a second contract on a first first round pick you just you did your job it's my kind of i mean there are different elements to that and obviously we're seeing a lot more trades and the wide receivers moving around and all that but but i think if you get a set the goal is to get a player who comes in in the first round comes comes in and is giving starter quality reps year one, and then becomes one of the best players on your team. And then you get signed into a second contract.
So now you've got eight, nine years out of a player. That to me is kind of the standard that you set.
And history shows if you get three quality starters out of a draft, you can replenish your roster. Obviously, a free agent or two here and there.
But if you get fewer than three in a draft, you're in trouble. And that's why teams are so afraid.
Scouting used to be like 80-20 with tape versus character and durability. And now it's close to the opposite.
You know, I mean, obviously you've got to figure out who can play and who can't play. But so much of it is figuring out who the guy is.
You know, more money, more free time, more fame than a human being has ever had. How's he going to handle that? And that's a tough – I mean, that's why every team in the league has a psychologist and they try to like weed out some of these guys and that's why there are some real surprises you know sometimes in the first round occasionally here and there like wait why didn't he go in the first round well he you know failed a bunch of teams psychological tests or the medical wasn't as good like it's crazy you can talk to teams like how what do you think the medical on Jamison Williams is? And one team will be like,

oh, he's ahead of schedule, not worried at all. Another team will, well,

we don't think we're going to have him for eight weeks in the rookie season.

He's not going to be as explosive the entire rookie season. We're hoping,

you know, so we've, we've bumped him down.

And some teams just take players off the board and then other teams will still

have them on their board. So that's a tough read every year.

Yeah. That's interesting.
Psychology.

I got one name in particular that I'm curious about it's kyle hamilton because he's an awesome player but every year the best safeties they tend to fall a little bit because you can make the argument that a safety isn't worth a first round pick unless it's you know like an ed reed or a sean taylor type of guy which those guys come along like once a decade but i feel feel like Kyle Hamilton is one of the best players in this draft. Is there any chance that he would be worth like a top 10 pick? I think he's one of the seven best players in the draft.
I do. I think he could go seven to the Giants, but I think that's when the draft starts for Kyle Hamilton.
You know, the 4-5-9 didn't help him in the 40-yard dash and then running a 4-7 on some scouts' watches at the pro day. That's not – it's part of the reason why he could slide a little bit.
Like, if you're going to take a risk on a player at that position, he better check – it better be check plus in every box, right? And so now, all right, I'm going to spend – I'm going to spend a top five, seven pick when I could get a wide receiver, a corner, an offensive tackle, or an edge rusher. I got to know this guy is damn near perfect, right? And Kyle Hamilton on tape is damn near perfect.
I love his tape. You can play him a dime linebacker.
You can play him as the overhang in the slot there. He can play, you high two high safety he has great range versus the run good tackler great ball skills plays faster than that four or five nine so like to me i love his tape but i've heard from two different teams that made good points like it's not that we don't value safety it's that if you're going to take a safety you better be a player or two away from making a run.
Like when we're picking in the top 10, it's got to be foundation pieces. You know, like if it's not a quarterback, it's got to be an offensive tackle.
You got to protect that guy behind you. You got to get after that guy and the other team.
Give me a pass rusher, whether it's interior or on the edge, typically it's edge guys. And then, and then wide receiver, you could argue has become the second most valuable position in the NFL.
Just look at all the contracts this, this off season. So, and corner too.
So like all of those positions are there and they can be like critical elements of what you're doing. Safety has become more and more important as teams have gotten bigger slot receivers and flexed out tight ends and work in the middle of the field.
But, and with so many teams and spreads and going, and going tempo.

And when you're stuck, like if I have a safety that can play free safety,

like moving strong safety, you can play dime linebacker,

you can play overhand.

I can stay in the same personnel and line up and just move him around rather than subbing guys in and out.

Yeah.

But to answer your question, I think it starts at seven with the Giants,

but then he gets into trouble because it's not going eight to Atlantalanta that's going to be a wide receiver and addresser nine i'm told is um is davis the big nose tackle jordan davis from georgia or and if it's not it could be an offensive tackle 10 is not going to be a safety i would be very surprised if the jets him at 10. 11 could be Hamilton, but I'm told they really like Chris Olave, the wide receiver from Ohio State, the commander still.
So then you get down to like 13 with Houston if they don't trade out as a possibility. Yeah.
I actually – you brought up something there that's interesting. You said like one scout or a couple scouts had him timed a little bit slower.
If you're scouting scouts, like who are the best scouts in the game? Who's got the best time? Who's the guy that you're like, you know, these guys rarely miss on somebody? I'll say Kevin White with the Ravens because he worked with me for 10 years. So that's an easy out.
But, you know, I mean, it is strange like the 40 time on on thumb that like literally but just your instinct or or catching him to take off could be like the difference between a 4-4-3 and a 4-3-9 you know so it's just over time but it's but it also is amazing like i've done a bunch of like the more you it's like anything the more you do it the more it's consistent. You can almost eyeball it.
I can tell you within a tenth of a second usually where a guy is. Wow.
Just start doing that. Just by watching the tape or do you have to be there in person? Be there in person.
That's cool. Be there in person, yeah.
We play that game all the time at the combine when we're sitting there four. We're just like five of us're just like five of us, like 4-4-3, 4-4-4, 4-4-7, 4-4-9.

Is there any guy that's been way faster than you thought he was? Some guy that looks like he's running slow.

Then they show the time, you're like, holy shit.

Oof.

Brees Hall surprised me.

You know, I knew, like I heard reports that he had good time speed.

He has some speed.

It's build-up speed.

But Brees Hall, his workout was outrageous. He could be coming out of Iowa State I mean almost 4,000 yards rushing catches the ball really well he's kind of like Le'Veon Bell but a little bit more annoying in terms of the patience like patience to a fault sometimes like come on let's go but uh but when he gets going he breaks a lot of tackles and he does have a second gear but I didn't think he was gonna what are you running a four three eight or something he was ridiculous what what he ran it like 217 pounds he's the only back and i think kenneth kenneth walker from michigan state is a is a better pure runner but i think if one back is going to go in the first round i would say it's breeze hall and I think the most likely team to take him would be the Bills at 25.

Ooh, I like that pick.

Alright, so Todd, this has been awesome. I had one last

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Alright, so we try to let

our fans sound smart on draft night. I posed this to Daniel Jeremiah I'm wondering your take what are the few teams that they just nail a position over and over he said Steelers wide receiver but give me another team or front office where you're like if they pick this position you just you would put your life on the line that guy's gonna pan out so that of this show, when they're watching with their buddies, they can be like, oh, there we go.
You know, whatever. Texans, they just pick the cornerback.
They always get that. He's going to be good.
Oof. The Bengals have been really good at wide receiver.
Yep. If you think about it over the years, like even going back to like Hushman Zada and Chad Johnson, you know, it seems like they always have a good receiver.
The Patriots with like defensive front seven guys, they can't pick a receiver running back or cornerback to save their life. You know, typically, you know, there've been a couple exceptions here and there, but anytime that they go all in on a guy in the first couple of rounds of wide receiver running back or corner, it's been been a crap shoot it's been way less than 50 50 hits but but usually defensive front seven guys they're they're good at okay that's a good answer too yeah um what about how many uh georgia players you think are going the first round oh good question let's see thank you great we've got nicobe dean is the is the is the 0.5 on this whole thing but a Trayvon Walker, Jordan Davis.
Am I missing anybody else? Let me see here. I don't think – I think it's two.
Stetson Bennett if he had come out. Oh, Devontae Wyatt.
Stetson Bennett. I heard that.
Devontae Wyatt, defensive tackle. And then I – Nekobi Dean to me is a first-round pick, but I'm told by multiple teams that there's a really good chance that he's early second.
He was the best linebacker in football. He was the best player on that defense.
I mean, I know he doesn't play edge rusher or defensive tackle, but N'Coby Dean's a stud. He's still available.
But then you also have like Quay Walker in the second. Channing Tindall, the other linebacker, is going is going to go second or third that group you could make an argument that was the best defense in the history of college football yeah that yeah they were insane yeah they really were um you mentioned a lot of eight is there any chance like just give me a percentage of just something greater than zero percent that the commanders take a quarterback i'll give you 0.5 percent i guess the fuck you and shefter just live to fucking twist knives in my heart telling you the truth wake up in the morning i hate the truth i don't like the truth truth is real to me yeah yeah i mean listen it would make sense for the future but i mean we're talking about the commanders now you know yeah um but also though all reality who's going to be an upgrade over carson wentz in this class no one yeah no one right great he's a great quarterback so so let's go let's go see what we can do next year and then and then like next year's quarterback class is shaping up to be um similar to last year i mean you could have four or five first rounders, and it starts with Bryce Young from Alabama,

CJ Stroud from Ohio State.

Yeah, I just think that with the position that Snyder's in right now,

you've got Ron Rivera.

He doesn't need to do the thing where he drafts a quarterback

to try to extend himself by another season.

He doesn't need to extend his contract.

He knows that Snyder's probably not going to fire him now

because he's too busy looking after his own ass.

So I think you're probably

right i just wish that the number was greater than 0.5 that's all sorry to disappoint but yeah well todd thank you as always um also i'm gonna text you more i just think it's because you know we you know we date we work with dave and elio's all around so it feels like you're here Your presence is always filled.

How's it been with Elio, my good boy, Eli Jones?

He's crushing it. He's the best.
There's no one who does videos like he does on Twitter. And he also, something about his Twitter experience I love so much, where he's so genuine, and he'll retweet people who give him compliments whether sarcastic or not

he'll like when people are mean to him he'll be like i got four kids i'm trying the best i can it's just it's beautiful it's a beautiful thing he's been like this i mean i've known him since he was like 19 he's like i i would always love having class with him he would sit in the back of class and be like, cheat, cheat.

And the teacher would be like, looking around,

professor would cheat and then like sometimes he'd come into class like anarchy just constant he couldn't get through a class without making a scene he's like a 19 20 year old adult you know it's not like you're 13 years old in middle school. Character issues.
He's never had to grow up, which is why I love him. It is.
That's true. He's found a way.
A lot of us are in that same boat. Well, Todd, thank you, and good luck on Thursday night.
You got it, fellas. Take care.
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For people who don't know Steven, he's been on the show before. You are obsessed with the NFL draft.
How many NFL drafts have you gone to? Seven, maybe? Six or seven? When I was in New York, now that it's on the road and now i'm doing stuff here i don't go anymore but i went from everyone from 2005 through 2012 what's your favorite draft memory uh my favorite draft memory uh the first can i rephrase yeah when is the time that you knew that you were in love with the nfl draft When I showed – so how they – I don't know how they do it now. How they used to do it was you would show up in New York City.
I went to the one at the Javits Center, and then it was at Radio City for a long time. You'd show up the night before.
So you'd take the day off from work? No. So I would go – I mean, it used to be on Saturday.
Oh, yeah, yeah. Right, right.
So you'd go right friday night right after work put your football jersey on football hasn't been on for two three months you'd wait in line with

hundreds almost thousands of other fans in football jerseys for three figures yep yeah no i've seen

this scene because it's all the all the famous fans are there oh yeah when i was in chicago i

went the hat the raiders guy up yeah so you camp out like it's Black Friday. Yes.
And then you used to wait on line until... In line.
In line. No, it's just a dumb internet argument.
It's a New York thing. It's so fucking stupid.
Whatever. I don't care.
Yeah, no. You can literally say whatever you want.
I don't care. When you're on Long Island, you say in line.
And when you're in Long Island, you say online. I went to college in Long Island, which was some of the time.
Ran a 440. No big deal.
Correct. Hand-timed.
So unofficial. And I have a two-point stance, but it still happens.
Billy looks like he's going to puke. All right.
Keep going. So you'd just be talking with all these super fans about your team needs and be like, oh, you're next to a Bears fan? Oh, like, you know, how are you guys feeling about this season or whatever? Everyone, every single person has like an NFL magazine, like a draft magazine that's like very outdated and just going off of this and just saying about how they really like this player, this player, and that is the absolute best.
And then this would go on for about 12 hours. So you wouldn't sleep.
Before they gave the tickets. You wouldn't sleep.
I would like the morning of. They usually gave up the wristbands around 4 to 7 a.m.
And then you go home and then come back. Now, when you're in line or online, would there be like any celebrity set? Like if Mel Kiper walks by, everyone's like, holy fuck, Mel Kiper.
Not at that time because that's just like all those people already have in. Yeah.
The first year I went, Golik came on the next day when we were in line to get into the place. Which Golik? My Golik.
Senior. Senior.
Senior. Senior.
Senior. Senior.
This was 2005. Okay.
But yeah. What happened there? You just saw him? He actually came over and talked to me.
Really? Out of like all the people. He knew that he's got an eye for talent.

He said, you know what?

This is a special boy.

Yeah.

This guy.

I was a huge Mike and Mike.

I'm more of a greeny guy.

Do you think that it was kind of a make-a-wish thing where he was like,

oh, this little kid, I'm going to.

And he's like a 22-year-old Steven Che.

No, he just recognized.

He saw the twinkle in this young man's eye and said, this guy,

this guy watches ball. Yeah, he's going to someday be the junior draft analyst at Barstool Sports.
I mean, it was 2005. I was running a Bucksters.
We had the fifth pick. He came out and asked me some Buck stuff.
Are you a guy that would ever boo your team at the draft? No. You're going there to support your team.
That's a disgusting question. I mean, you see the Jets fans do it.
I love that. That's maybe my favorite part of the draft is like when Jets and Eagles fans.
No, it's all the first round. It's the future.
But there's something that's so beautiful to me about how abused a fan base can be where they immediately boo their own future. Yeah, that's true.
No, it is great. But Steven would never.
I wouldn't. But on the flip side of that, it is extremely exciting.
And it's kind of like diminished now with like the leaking of picks but like i guess one of my favorite memories would be uh was it 2009 when the jets took sanchez um and they traded up and it was a big thing and you know you don't know what's happening and then you know tagliber goodell come out or goodell would come out and be like all right there's been a been a trade, and nobody has the information yet. So then they cut to Mark Sanchez in the green room, and everybody's going crazy around him.
And then you see the Jets are on the clock, and they're about to take this guy. That is the ultimate draft moment.
Now, you wouldn't boo, but you would cry, because you did cry when the Bucs picked Devin White, number five overall, and then he became a stalwart of a championship defense.

But you did cry.

We were sitting next to you.

I didn't cry.

You cried.

I was upset.

You cried a little.

I was pretty upset.

The guy in a position of need, the top guy who wasn't expected to fall to number five,

Josh Allen, not the quarterback Josh Allen, the edge rusher from Kentucky, fell,

and he's right there.

It seemed like a layup pick.

So do you want to apologize to Devin White oh you'd still rather have Josh Allen no no Devin White's been awesome I mean he helped win a Super Bowl he was incredible last postseason so you can apologize to him like that's the biggest day of his life and he goes on the internet he sees Stephen Chain of Bucks jersey crying because he's like this guy stinks wasn't true I should have statement shortly after to congratulate him and welcome to the team. We're both wearing Bucs pins.
How many people saw that statement as opposed to the initial reaction? That's a fair point. Yep.
Yep, it is a fair point. Why didn't you delete the original post? I don't know.
Did I even post it? I don't know. You probably posted it.
I think Big Cat, but why didn't you ask Big Cat to delete his post? I would never. Journalist integrity.
Yeah. Fun fact.
I also gave Devin White. This is not going to be a fun fact, by the way.
It is. Just so people understand.
I gave Devin White. I literally don't care what you gave Devin White.
No, this is actually very significant. You could have given him AIDS, and I would be like, no.
Was your fun fact yesterday? You had a fun fact yesterday that was like the. Oh, it was just a coincidence.
Yeah, it was the opposite of fun. Yeah.
It was... All right, so go ahead.
Fun fact. That's not going to be fun.
Devin White was going to wear number 41. And I almost never DM athletes any specific things.
You're like, you should honor our president by wearing number 45. No.
So he said he wanted to wear number 40 because that was his number at LSU. But he came out for a photo shoot in number 41.
And he wanted to wear Mike Allstaff's number, but it's retired. So he couldn't.
So he just picked 41. And I wrote him a message.
I was like, hey, his hashtag in college was get live 40. Cool.
So I messaged him. I was like, hey, 41, that's all right.
But I was like, 45 is available. It's a linebacker number two.
What about get live 45? He changed his number that day day and the next shoot. You were the guy.
Okay, I was wrong. That was a very fun fact.
So if his number goes up in the ring of honor one day with the Bucs, part of me will be out there. A very small part of me will be out there.
Just the five. You're the guy behind the guy.
Yeah. Which is actually more important than being the guy.
And he wrote back to the DM with a bunch of question marks. No, you get full credit.
I've heard enough. So maybe someday he goes into Canton.
Do you think maybe you would give him an introduction? I would almost rather the Bucks Ring of Honor. Of course you would.
Because that's higher than Canton. That's bigger than Canton.
I'm in that stadium forever. In a way, Bucks Ring of Honor always supersedes the Pro Football Hall.
The five is your number being retired. That's true.
As a fan. That's true.
Who would you say is the best super fan? Of the Bucs or any team? Of the Bucs. Buck Nasty.
He's in the Fan Hall of Fame. Yeah.
He's the guy with the face paint and the horn on the helmet. Is it Bucs Ring of Honor, Fan Hall of Fame, Pro Football Hall of Fame? I mean, it's different.
I mean, I could be a fan that's in the Bucks Ring of Honor. You could also be a fan that's in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, too.
Now, do you think they'll ever maybe just... We've got that fan section there.
Like, forget the Devin White part. Do you think they'll ever just put Stephen Che in the Bucks Ring of Honor? I'm not ruling it out.
Yep, I knew that would be your answer. All right, okay, let's do some questions.
Before we get to the guys on picks, I had a question for you because we talked about it very briefly on Monday's show But I'm challenging DK Metcalf to a decathlon And I was wondering Is there any chance What do you know about the 5 yard dash It's an event that I invented There's a 40 yard dash And you can take the 10 yard split from that Which is what I've never heard I went to in the 5 A 5 yard it is it advantageous to have long legs when you're running i would think so right because you just you can basically do that in one bound so like once you get out of your stance you take one and he's what six four so what if i get off to a real good start though i mean you're going against like a world-class athlete so i think it would be tough to and a guy who has a track background so i figure he's not gonna have a even if you have an incredible start you're probably at best even with him okay all right cool so i can tie him got it thank you that's all i mean you beat him in a race already so i don't know why i used to i used to challenge people to uh short 10 10 yard swims uh swimming race because i do think i could beat a lot of people in that but that's a little bit different than a dash because that's more like your push-off and everything. I think I could take him five yards.
I really do. I got great get-off, Steven.
I mean, if you got a good get-off, yeah. Okay, should we do the picks? Or the questions about the picks.
Guys on picks. Are you going to get into serious Stephen Che voice? Yeah.

Actually, I shouldn't have said anything.

You will, but I'm looking forward to this.

Okay, go ahead.

Everyone note the difference in Stephen's tone when we start talking about this. I don't even know what type of questions to expect because I obviously am a multiple-time AWL and listen to the show, obviously.

So is it going to be actual serious draft questions?

If you could suck off any of the prospects in this year's draft, who would it be? Wait, you're going to actually answer this. Okay, go ahead.
Oh, I thought that was a question. There's no brain quite like yours.
All right, Jake, go ahead. All right, what's up, Box Muncher Che? True, Che is Junior Soprano around these walls.
He's the greatest pussy eater we've ever met. Pleasure woman.
Is there a QB who you think can actually make a difference if he starts right away? Also, thank you for the data. You're welcome.
Follow at Trust the Data for all my gambling picks. And I'll have NFL draft props out tomorrow.
Love it. Quarterback that can start right away.
Kenny Pickett from Pitt is like the most pro ready guy i kind of like desmond ritter at cincinnati um talk to us about desmond ritter cincinnati uh his like nfl comp is like marcus mariotis it's not like great like we have to take uh into account that the draft this year is watered down right like typically there's like 18 to 24 players universally that all gms agree are like first run picks these guys are guys this year it's like i've heard like 12 to 16 which is like bad does that hurt you personally i mean it sucks because you want something to look forward to what is kind of cool is like you know we're taping this on what day is today tuesday to oh tuesday at 12 15 like we don't know who the first pick's gonna be like right there is cool yeah you're right there is some intrigue around that I'm sure the NFL is trying to keep that quiet and stuff like that but like betting lines are changing like crazy like right now as we tape Trayvon Walker is the favorite to go number one a month ago he was 30 to one to go number one he hasn't played any games since then so like what exactly has changed but as far as like the far as, like, the quarterbacks, yeah, like, ideally you're going to have, like, a guy who's going to be, you know, Joe Burrow. There was, you know, he was the number one pick, but, like, the tank for two, like, people that are going to be, like, all right, no doubt, slam dunk, number one, he's where the game is going, but that's not the case this year.
And we're seeing, like, Malik Willis' line, like, he was, you know, favored to go in the top 10 as of like two days ago and now he's sliding down he might not go in the top 12 to 15 and that could be interesting so what what in your expert opinion is the reason why this draft is so bad why are college football players shit compared to two years ago i i mean i don't think there's necessarily like they're much worse it's just like there isn't a guy like next year with you know the address right obama will anderson like he's a guy that people are like looking forward to even though he's not like the premier like quarterback position um but you just don't have a guy that like took over a cultural like if we look at mock drafts from like a year ago they're like way too early ones like sam howell was a projected number one overall pick and he's not going to be a first-rounder. Can I coach you up a little bit on that? That's more a test of how strong your take game is.
The answer is name, image, and likeness made college kids not want to play sports as hard anymore. So they're not working out.
That's why this draft is bad. But I mean, next year's draft is probably going to be pretty good.
We already got a blue, but it changes. He could be terrible at all about like the 2041 no 20 yeah 20 2040 and 2041 drafts and what the impact of covid with births in america is going to do those draft classes with bursts in america births they're gonna have births it's all the covid sperm yeah no there's less no no there's there was less childbirth in like 2021.
Have you thought about that? I didn't even know that. No.
So no. Teams should probably start getting their ducks in a row.
Scholarships are going to be down. Yeah.
I mean, we got to focus on winning the day. We can't really think about 20 years down the road.
Yeah. Give me one bust.
Who's going to be a bust this year? It's always hard to say. Last had davante smith this is gonna be awesome because

i didn't say no i said we're gonna be able to follow you this entire year and anytime this

player does anything good last year he had davante smith had does not have an nfl body bust

no my my tweet started out during the national championship game with i think davante smith

will be a great pro but i can't see a team picking him in the top 10 torching torching ohio state

okay he got picked 10th he wouldn't have gotten picked 10th. He did.
No, no. He got picked top 10th.
Top 10th. That's a fact.
A team traded up to get him. That is a fact.
It was a bad take. That's a fact.
It was very close to being an incredible take. But it wasn't.
I think it was a bad take. I respect the take.
I respect that you said it, no matter how wrong it was. So who's your bust this year? Stephen Che's guaranteed bust of the 2022 NFL draft.
It's hard because, like, I want to say Trayvon Walker. Just because, like, I'm a traits over production guy, and that's what the whole draft is about.
You don't have to have, like, incredible. That's how you got led to Devontae Smith being a bust.
Traits over production. That's literally how it happened.
He had a Heisman Trophy year, but his legs were skinny. I mean, there were rumors that he was playing at like 155 pounds.
I know. Rumors.
There were whispers out there. Keep going, Trayvon Walker.
Yeah. So, I mean, he has everything you want.
He's 6'6", he's 270 pounds, you're in a 4'5", like great, super long, 35 1⁄2 inch arms. But like, we haven't seen it on the field.
He played on a loaded defense. You think if you're playing on a loaded defense, you're gonna a four five like great super long i'm 35 and a half and a half inch arms but like we haven't seen on the field he played on a loaded defense you think if you're playing on a loaded defense you're gonna a lot more single you know single rush opportunities you're gonna make a difference he had six sacks seven and a half tackles for loss he didn't have a single game with like more than one sec like what are we doing here like uh duke manyweather is like a great offensive line guy um put out just a ton of cut-ups this morning on Evan Neal,

who's a left tackle for Alabama, versus Trayvon Walker,

just absolutely dominating him.

So it's like, why are we valuing this guy who, on an incredible defense,

if he's on a no-name, he wouldn't stay in Apple,

he's on an incredible defense, he should have the opportunity to eat,

and he is not doing that consistently.

But traits.

Boy, you're the traits guy.

You just made a strong argument in case of production. You you just made a strong argument you need to have some production you need to have some production he did not like he just didn't so what what are we looking for he's not refined he's not like a technician he's a freak athlete that's cool but like not a lot of those guys when you get to the league where everyone is a freak athlete like succeed so i would say if i would pick one bust it would be him the other flag that i would have and there's a lot of uh smoke around this guy's cave on thibodeau he was the projected number one pick going into you know early in the year um he's fallen off a little bit the and i i love hearing these i don't love hearing these but they're always interesting to hear these like red flags around guys, does he love football? Football, yeah.
This guy has a ton of outside interests. He started his own cryptocurrency.
So, all right, here's a hypothetical. If science was so advanced, we could take Stephen Shea's brain and put it into Kavon Thibodeau's body, would he be the number one pick? Kavon Thibodeau doesn't have the idea, but Trayvon Walker? No, no, no, no, but your brain, like your love of football.
Oh, I see what you're saying. He'd be the greatest player of all time.
I mean, he'd be extremely dedicated to his craft. He has very little outside interests and just focus on ball.
What are you going to say, Billy? What are your thoughts on Malik Willis? Okay. I like him.
I just want to hear what you think about him. Where do he's going all stuff sure so he's not ready right now like um people you know the immediate thing is like he went to liberty like he was at auburn he transferred um he's not ready i know like dan orlowski like loves him and like he does have like a lot of fans and he's getting a lot of like top 10 top 15 grades from like nfl gms but again we're

talking about a watered down class if we're talking about him in like a good year of uh

quarterbacks and regular draft picks he's like a borderline like first round guy i definitely

think he's a first round player and he probably has the most upside of any quarterback in this

draft he's not tall he's like around six feet but he is like a thick boy like he's you know 220

um so he can sustain hits he's very mobile he's got a very strong arm but like you you win games

from he's not tall he's like around six feet but he is like a thick boy like he's you know 220 um so he can sustain hits he's very mobile he's got a very strong arm but like you you win games from like in the pocket and he is still refining that that's not to say he's not going to be a very good player because there are a lot of very good guys like uh that can succeed the nfl like that but like he needs a lot of seasoning what about pete prisco's take that he's a running back can you just say that that, no. So we can clip it for social and then he'll post it on his accounts? He has good size for a running back.
Yeah, thick boy. Yeah, he is a thick boy.
Okay. Next one, Jake.
Good answer, Steven. Thank you.
This guy knows ball. Sup, senior draft analyst.
Steven? Nope, that's wrong. Daddy cats? Oh, actually, no, that's correct.
We offered him the, he could either be junior draft analyst or senior draft analyst but not senior senior no you already picked junior i think on this on this show i don't think that you you have the eligibility for that title yeah you're junior fine okay i never promoted you on this short king pft honks william nicotine attic jake my team doesn't have a first round pick this and even though we traded away our first-round pick and got a great quarterback out of it, I'm a little bummed we won't be on the clock. What's the best way to spend my Thursday to help fill that void? Now, I don't know if we're ready to say Justin Fields is great.
Yeah, that was ambitious. But it could be another team.
Was there any other teams that traded away their first pick last year? The Bears were the only ones that popped into my mind. Yeah.
We traded our first-round pick last year for Justin Fields. Denver traded their first-round pick for Russell Wilson.
Oh, okay. Yeah, that could be it.
Cleveland. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Okay, all right.
So that was – all right. Yeah.
So that could – it probably is Denver. Your brain has now – Oh, yeah.
I was right. I was like, wait.
It's infected mine, too, because I'm like – I like him, but is he great i don't think he's a nice guy yeah he's working towards great he's getting better he's striving every day towards great he's getting better at taking pictures with fans um all right so so repeat the question we got sidetracked what do they get excited about is that what it was for thursday uh i forget who said theins organization was like, I'm just going to watch Tyreek Hill highlights all night. It's like, that's what you do.
Because that's what your pick went towards. So, yeah, it's less exciting.
But think about it in a positive way. Like, you dealt a first-round pick in a very watered-down draft.
Yes. Yes.
That's what I'm going with. The Bears were very smart.
There's like maybe five first-round talents in this entire draft. Maybe.
Yeah, I mean, there's three times that probably, but that's still a very low number. Yeah, it's low.
It's half. Less than half.
They're all made-up numbers. It should be less than half.
That's the thing I don't really know. They're actually not made-up numbers.
Yes, they are. Someone made them up.
I don't really understand, Stephen, how that works where it's where it's like well there are only 15 first round grades in this draft compared to like other drafts aren't you just graded based on who you're playing with like your your peers how do you say like that a different draft class has higher grades how do you do any sort of like accurate comparison to know that because they're just they just play against who they play against in college right yeah but i mean you're scouting the individual players their traits how you think they'll translate to the next level so like how that's determined like you're obviously going to grade each player based on your grading system which teams have different grading systems like it could be a one to seven scale it could be a one to nine scale why would you ever go one to seven or one to nine they're pretty common really why don't you just do 1-10? What was Devin White? I mean, it depends on the team. Who was the highest you've ever seen? Miles Garrett was very high.
I don't know. Nobody gets a 9, but if he's on a 1-9 scale, probably an 8.3, something like that.
What a weird scale. Why don't you just go like 10 i don't get it uh i don't like they're associated with like different um uh uh adjectives is that okay like the spider chart yeah so it'll be like solid good very good um elite right pro bowl whatever wait what's higher pro bowl or elite uh i don't i don't know what the box ring of honor what the one to nine scale was but the one to seven scale that i use was like you also have every team had as the top thing buck's ring of honor well yeah but um yeah team teams grade each player differently um but as far as like how we get to like that number of like 15 or whatever, surveys are sent out to GMs who then fill out where they roughly think will go.
So universally, there are roughly 15 guys where everyone agrees this guy's a first-rounder. I feel like most of a GM's time around the draft is spent just doing meaningless, tedious paperwork and bullshit.
Why they fill out this like survey and then send it back? I mean, they want to get this info too, right? Like they want to double check like, okay, am I crazy for thinking like this guy, like, um, you know, Daniel Jeremiah, who got, who you guys just had on, like, he's a big fan of like Nick Benito. Who's an edge rusher from Oklahoma.
But like a lot of guys don't even have it like a day too great on him. Wow.
So is he a guy? It's a sanity check. DJ has him in his top 50, so am I crazy for thinking this guy because he has a really good pass rush win percentage and his measurables are really good? Is he really not a top 50 guy? So I think that's what's going on right now, and you hear the term groupthink thrown out a lot with the combine because a lot of a lot of these scouts and like gms and like personnel guys they're all friends right so they're all competing um but you do have people that like share information so you want to hear like okay i think this guy's good do you think he's good like what do you think about how he'll translate to the next level that type of stuff so a lot of that's kind of going around and this week is lying season so like people are trying to throw each other off since, but that's my favorite type of season.
Is there any draft analyst out there that like what they say is gold? Like word is bond. And then is there somebody out there that you're always suspicious? You're like that guy's a smokescreen for one of the GMs.
Oh, as far as like being a talking head for someone? Yeah. Who's in whose pocket here? I mean, there is one guy, but it's also very close to home.
So it's noted that Dave Portnoy, Todd McShay, and Joe Douglas are all very good friends. Dave doesn't care about the draft.
Exactly. Joe Douglas is his friend, but he's the Jets GM, and Dave is a Patriots fan.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm saying McShane could put out some potential propaganda.
McShane's talked about it before. Yeah, yeah.
He's not. He doesn't.
It's certainly a conflict of interest. You would never do that, though.
I mean, I carry all the water for my team. Yeah, that would be an understatement.
All right, let's do two more. Two more.
All right. Hey, Steven, big fan of you and the data.
Thank you. I'm a Seahawks fan, unfortunately.
And aside from QB, I would love an edge rusher. Xander Lennard out of Florida State is a guy I have my eye on for the last couple of years.
He's a big 6'2", 290, was insanely productive before taking a COVID year off. He bounced back with five sacks.
And even though he got moved inside, does him getting moved around affect his stock negatively or positively? This is a fake guy. You steven sniffed it out dude he would never wow would never like this person thinking he can get steven steven is fucking on top of this good job under lennar yeah come on yeah it was my name yeah i was testing you that was really impressive i mean there's no way steven's gonna get got steven he didn't even take a breath he was just like that's bullshit yeah that was good He knows it.
He knows the big board. Thank you.
Very impressive. I mean, there's no way Steven's going to get got.
Steven, he didn't even take a breath. He was just like, that's bullshit.

Yeah, that was good, Steven. He knows it.

He knows the big board.

Thank you.

Very impressive.

Sandra Leonard sounds like an awesome player, though.

Just the name.

You have to admit.

That is a cool creative player name.

Seahawks are an interesting team at nine.

Like, what are they going to do?

Like, they have a ton.

Like, are you trying Drew Locke out there?

They're like a sneaky team for a quarterback.

I don't think they're going to take one at nine.

Like, they haven't re-signed Dwayne Brown. Like, they have they have edge needs they have like a ton of needs so i'm interested to see what they do and they also don't have a lot of picks yeah i feel like everyone's trying to trade back this year it's gonna be like 10 teams trying to trade back nobody you're probably gonna be able to good get a good deal in terms of trading up though potentially it depends like where the runs go because there's going to be like a runner receivers like once either malik willis or kenny pickett go like you got to be nervous if you're a team that has you know a quarterback needy team that has the other the other guy high um but yeah like speaking about trading back like you're looking for future assets because yeah you know technically a dollar today's worth more than a dollar tomorrow but next year's draft is so much better than this year's like you're going to want to load up for assets for the future.
What's your one bold prediction that you have? Like last year, Devontae Smith won't be a top ten pick. That was wrong.
As far as draft night or how these players will be? No, draft night. Like I see this guy going earlier than everyone else does.
Or later. Yeah.
There's some medical things with linebackers right now. So, I would say N'Kobe Dean, who's probably the most productive player on Georgia's defense, the linebacker, is not going to get drafted in the first round.
Oh, okay. And he won't even be the first Georgia linebacker drafted.
Quay Walker is, from what I'm hearing, kind of a lock to be drafted in the first round. He's a big – he had production, but he's definitely traits over production guy.
Okay, so that's pretty – because I think most people would say N'Kobe Dean was the better player. Correct.
But Quay Walker – so you're going out on a limb. Quay Walker before N'Kobe Dean.
I like it. Yeah.
I like it. All right, last question.
Last question. What will be mentioned more by ESPN, family deaths or drug abuse and homelessness? Hmm.
How about... Can I help you with this? Sure.
How about don't even know because we're going to be watching the NFL draft show hosted by Steven Che. Yep.
And Brandon Walker and Rowan. And it's going to be incredible.
Deion's going to be there. Deion's going to be there.
He will be there. A bunch of people.
Are you guys going to be doing any sort of those sob stories behind any draft picks? You should have one. You should have one.
Yeah, Roan will probably get one. Roan does a really good job with the fact checks.
Yeah, he does. We'll have a lot of stuff.
It's always one of my favorite events of the year. Oh, really? The draft? Well, like the show.
But yes, yes, yes. No, it is very exciting.
Steven, there's no one who loves anything more than Steven Shea loves the draft. He starts, the Bucs have been good, obviously, the last couple of years.
But before that, he would start talking about the draft. Halloween.
Yeah, like week eight. He'd just be like, yeah, well, the Bucs, listen, now they got a nice pick coming up.
Things are going to start locking into place. Well, I deal in the currency of hope.
And once your team sucks, and it's very obvious they suck, you need to shift to the draft. Believe something is going to turn it around.
And if losing helps that cause, which it does if you're getting a better draft pick, then it's like, okay, let me start believing in getting ahead of the process. Now, are you still doing the TB12 method? Because Tom Brady came back.
You're doing that all year round, right? Correct. Through January 31st, 2023.
Except birthdays. Except family birthdays.
Family birthdays. What about pussies? Pussy on the TB12? That is on the TB12.
Approved. Yes.
Approved is organic. Do you want to drop the link for the instructional video that changed your life? So, I haven't, I mean, I watched it.
This, this is serious for all, all the male and, and lesbian AWLs out there that might be looking to educate yourself. A lot of time guys don't know about that stuff.
Steven's got a very important video that you should watch. I watched the tape.
Yeah. I mean, uh, just, uh, it, when I watched it like 15 years ago, it was on X videos.
Um, I don't know if it's on that side anymore. I don't use that site anymore.
This is literally a scene from American Pie where he's like watching in his room. How do I eat pussy? Well that's the thing.
I don't want to do this. No I do.
I've done it many times with him and it's bad. Yeah so what the common way you'll see an adult film.
Oh, no, I don't want you to explain. Yeah, no, that's what he was going to do.
That's what he was going to do. I want you to just say what's the name of the video in case other people want to watch it.
I don't know what the name is. I mean, you can kind of infer it.
He was going to teach us how to eat pussy. Yeah, that's why I said I don't want to do this.
I just want to stop people from painting the fence. And that's what most people are doing.
Painting the fence. Yeah.
I said we should remake.

Targeted precision attack.

We should remake the Irishman with Stephen Che being like,

I didn't know you painted fences.

And he's just eating pussy across America.

Who's going to get mouth cancer first?

Stephen Che from all the HPV or Jake from Dippin?

Jake.

Definitely.

Easily.

Last thing, Stephen.

Numbers, but also prediction for the Bucs this season. Their, like, record? Yeah.
Super Bowl? Yes. Super Bowl winner? Yes.
Absolutely. They better.
Does Tom Brady really love football? He's all about, like, crypto, his side businesses. I got a red flag on that.
That's a fair point. Tom Brady will retire if he wins the Super Bowl.
That's fine. Yeah.
That's cool.

Would you rather have you guys not win a Super Bowl this year and win one next year and then Tom Brady retires

or Tom Brady wins one this year, then he retires?

I think you'd definitely take next year, right?

Because then you get two more years.

Yeah, but it doesn't matter how many years it's about winning.

Right, but you'd still win. You'd still get that win, but you'd also have a year where you didn't win in between.
But you'd get Tom Brady for two more years, so you wouldn't be irrelevant for at least two more years. Well, you specifically, it matters a lot because your relevancy as a human being is relying on Tom Brady.
I wouldn't go that far. Oh, no.
Factually, that is absolutely correct.

I would say more so JPP than Tom Brady.

We already signed him, and he posted an Instagram story.

He's like, bye, Tampa.

Oh, no.

JPP.

No, you can't say that anymore.

You know who he did bring back?

Giovanni Bernardo.

Oh, God.

All right, numbers.

22.

Hank picks six.

25.

Three for memes. Give me 77.
70 minus one 70 minus one Stephen let's go Super Bowl 57 come on 69 get under there get under there it's getting sucked up it's coming it's coming. It's coming.
63. 63.

All right, Stephen, thank you so much.

We appreciate you.

Thank you.

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Love you guys.

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