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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, it is draft week.

Speaker 1 We have our good friend Todd McShea on the show to break down the draft and our very special junior draft analyst at Barcelona Sports, Stephen Che, to do some guys on picks, listeners submitted questions, also some just beautiful Stephen Che moments throughout, littered throughout, and draft memories.

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Speaker 1 The beginning of the show will be at the end of what we'll recap Tuesday Night's Games, and then we'll get into the whamping.

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Speaker 6 Is Wednesday,

Speaker 6 April 27th, and the Minnesota Timberwolves continue to be a cursed franchise.

Speaker 7 So weird. So weird.
But I will say, though, that I want this series to keep going on indefinitely. I want this series to keep going throughout the entire playoffs.

Speaker 7 Like, I don't want either team to advance. I want just this series to continue going on concurrently while the rest of the NBA playoffs takes place because it's so much fun to watch.

Speaker 6 Right. And it's, it's, we'd even have a protesters tonight, and it was awesome.
And John Morant with the game winner with a second left. Um,

Speaker 6 you know, the comeback from the Grizzlies who played terrible for the first three quarters and then made that run.

Speaker 6 I agree with you. I want this to go seven.
I feel bad for the Timberwolves, but I also

Speaker 6 in Timberwolves. If you're a Timberwolves fan, I think that you can now chalk this up because this series is so competitive.
Every game's a war. This is just,

Speaker 6 you're getting, you know, your legs under you. You're getting those, you know, playoff reps in.
So you'll be stronger next year. So it's not all losses.

Speaker 6 I know you don't want to hear that right now, but this series has been basically like two young teams trying to figure it out at the same exact time and chaos ensuing in every single game.

Speaker 7 So Big Cat, you're exactly right. Two young teams.
I actually looked it up because I was like, there's a reason why this series is so fun to watch. Obviously, you've got great players on both teams.

Speaker 7 They're the two youngest teams in the playoffs, two of the five youngest teams in the NBA, which means that you're going to see some guys that have the ability to do like incredible, amazing athletic stuff, but also make really, really stupid awful mistakes a lot which just it means that you're going to get a hell of a series you've got to do doi plays it's like jameis winston was an entire nba team and he was playing himself yes yes and it it's it's the best for the viewer and um i do have i had i had two dad takes one positive one negative one the one negative was the ja morant dunk was incredible but he didn't get back on defense and he almost got scored on and they were down 11.

Speaker 6 but that dunk was incredible but he like i was i was actually yelling at my TV, get back on defense, Jaw. And the, the quarter ended, but it might have even been the half ended, but he, like,

Speaker 6 they almost got a layup because no one was getting back on defense. And then the other one, the pro dad take,

Speaker 6 the Grizzlies in the fourth quarter, what they did on the offensive glass was so much fun to watch. They were battling so hard.
I saw the stat.

Speaker 6 They had, uh, they, the Grizzlies' offensive rebounded 61.5% of their misses in the fourth quarter and scored 12 points off of those. Like, that's the game right there.

Speaker 6 They just kept on getting second shots. Brandon Clark could not be stopped.
Like, he would just, I, and I think that that is the weakness of the Timberwolves.

Speaker 6 So Timberwolves fans knew that could happen to them. But there's something about a guy who has like an a relentless motor.

Speaker 6 And John Morant was getting involved too, a relentless motor on the offensive glass.

Speaker 6 That's just, it's so much fun to watch because every missed shot, you're like, nope, that's not the end of this possession. They're gonna, they're gonna fight tooth and nail to get this ball back.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I

Speaker 7 understand your point about like yelling at it. TV, that is something that you get when you become a dad.

Speaker 7 It's like you get the new balances or you get the air monarchs, and then you get really mad when players

Speaker 7 when players do something awesome and you didn't get back on defense.

Speaker 7 I actually think that DNBA is probably like three years away from implementing a rule where if you have a hard enough dunk, the game just stops for five seconds and like stroke lights go off and the reggae

Speaker 7 horn sounds. And then everybody's like, oh my God, you've got the guy from the N1 mixtape screaming, like, my God, son, it's over.
Like, that's we should take like a little pause to appreciate that.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 7 That's when the vibes changed in this game because it was, first of all, I don't know how he dunked it from there. Secondly, the ability to just like bend the rim from there.

Speaker 7 It wasn't like what the Dwight Howard dunk in the

Speaker 7 slam dunk contest where he kind of threw it down through the hoop. He like his arm stretched out while he was in midair and got there.
It was awesome to watch. And I love it.

Speaker 7 I just love games like that when at the end of a game, one guy just takes over the entire game and everyone on the court knows what's going to happen on offense and the player can still do it.

Speaker 7 It reminded me a little bit of that, the LeBron James against the Pistons playoff game back in like 2005, I think, where he scored like the last 20 points for his team or something crazy like that.

Speaker 7 I love the ends of games like that when it's just, you can't do anything to stop this guy.

Speaker 6 No, you couldn't. And

Speaker 6 I actually, saying that Josh should get back on defense is actually not the worst dad take that could happen from that play because there were a lot of people that were saying that was technically an offensive foul and if they called an offensive foul right there I think the NBA would just like implode on itself because that dunk was so fucking cool or

Speaker 6 for hanging on the rim yeah you just have to let it you have to let that dunk stand because it was that cool it was when a dunk is as violent as that dunk it's like you it's just so different than every other dunk because you're like oh my god like it stops you in your tracks holy fuck.

Speaker 6 That was a violent, violent dunk.

Speaker 7 I also think that the NBA should bring back the old backboards for the playoffs, just so we can get one shattered. And

Speaker 7 I miss, I miss somebody being able to either break a backboard, shout out Claxton with his foul shots. I like that meme

Speaker 7 that he put out.

Speaker 7 Either tear the backboard down, like pull it down on your head like Shaq used to do, or just shatter the backboard. It makes games so much more exciting.

Speaker 6 And I want to say one thing in defense of Carl Anthony Towns, because a lot of people are doing the like posting him doing the sh after he hit the big three to go up four with like a minute left or something.

Speaker 6 You have to be able to celebrate those moments. That's not like he, it's not like egg on his face.
Oh my God, how could he shush the crowd? Like he hit a big shot. He played well.

Speaker 6 He's playing more aggressive. He still has like a few plays a game where I just, I'm watching it.

Speaker 6 He had one where he was like galloping like a horse, trying to shoot like a one-legged fadeaway while also going going forward like that he has these these moments in a game where his his body just makes no sense and i don't think he it's almost like he's he's pinocchio with the what is that called what's that guy called geppetto no the yeah but

Speaker 6 the marionette like his body just like floats but he was good he's been aggressive so i'm going to defend him on the meme that's going around you're allowed to do that when you hit a big three like he hit a big three yeah just like i didn't have a problem the other night when they were up in minnesota and he said we're in minnesota Minnesota now.

Speaker 6 I hate that one, it was just corny. That was corny.
I didn't have a problem with that at all.

Speaker 7 He was just happy to be there. Uh, so I also

Speaker 7 D'Angelo Russell at the end of the game, that was hilarious. Where it was like, It's D'Angelo Russell time.
That's what that's what needs to happen right now. Everybody, clear out, we're going to ISO.

Speaker 7 It's me, D'Angelo Russell, and I'm going to make this happen. And then he almost airballed it, but like over the backboard.

Speaker 5 It was an awful, awful asset.

Speaker 7 He's a, he's an all-time like feeds-off energy guy. Yeah, if his teammates are playing well around him, he thinks he's got that too in his bag.

Speaker 7 It's like if Ringo were to be like, hey, guys, let me take to solo real quick.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's how you get yellow submarine. Yeah, exactly.
Right. That's what happens.
So speaking of off the backboard airballs, we should, that's a perfect segue to Trey Young and

Speaker 6 what he put out there tonight.

Speaker 6 One of the ugliest performances like ever. So he finishes this series and the Heat, no Kyle Lowry, no Jimmy Butler, no problem.
The Heat are looking as locked in as ever.

Speaker 6 Like they, they deserve all the respect for,

Speaker 6 you know, like even that, even the one lost to the Hawks was a buzzer beater. So it's not like they lost any games, you know, got whomped in any games.
This actually would have been a whomping.

Speaker 6 This would have been a whomping, a five-game

Speaker 6 series where the only win for the Hawks was a buzzer beater. But Trey Young finished this series with more turnovers than baskets.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 30 turnovers, 22 baskets. It hasn't been done in like 45 years.
He was so bad.

Speaker 6 I tweeted a clip. He hit the side of the backboard on a corner three.

Speaker 6 That's like, you don't see that in the NBA. That doesn't happen in the NBA.
I do it all the time. But you're right, right.

Speaker 6 Like, and you'll see it in like college games where a guy like just has to shoot because he's so wide open. But it was it was so bad for him and he just kept on shooting he was two for 12.

Speaker 6 he had more shots than he did points i mean that's i i think we go back we revisit like is it going to end up being a bad thing that they went to the eastern conference final last year because they went in the playoffs in this whole season being like we've we've done something we can do this and their season ends in kind of a very gross way even though the heat are a very very good team that was a gross gross ending for the hawks so Trey Young had 77 points.

Speaker 7 Max Struce had 70 points.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 7 He's a motherfucking Max.

Speaker 6 This was

Speaker 7 the bullpen game for the Heat is what it was.

Speaker 6 John Morant had more fourth quarter points than Trey did in the game tonight.

Speaker 7 That's crazy.

Speaker 7 So I did go back and I grinded a little bit of the tape, watched some of the second quarter because Billy and I went to a science presentation with a guy that's going to be on part of my take coming up soon.

Speaker 7 But I watched some of what happened in the second quarter. You know what Spolster did? You know the change that he made in the second quarter?

Speaker 6 He's just like, let him shoot.

Speaker 7 No, he started to press. Spolster used the full court press, which we've talked about a little bit on this, on this here podcast.

Speaker 7 Obviously, you can't do it in a full game in the playoffs because it would be insane. Your guys would get tired and the dribbling is just too good.
But he was pressing.

Speaker 7 And that's when the game switched.

Speaker 6 Well, they did that all series on Trae Young, not the press, but like they just sped him up.

Speaker 6 They made him go fast and he just becomes an uncontrollable mess of a basketball player when that happens to him. And they, I mean, the Heat defense, Hank, I know that

Speaker 6 you're feeling riding high off the Celtics, but I would say obviously the Nets were a better team than the Hawks, but this was as big of a, you know, this is a good a whomping as you could get in terms of the

Speaker 6 like series ending. Like

Speaker 6 basically the only difference between the Nets and Celtics series and the Hawks and Heat series is the Hawks buzzer beater went in. Like they, they, you know, like game one goes to the next.

Speaker 6 That's the same thing. One of their best players wasn't playing in the series, too.
I think that, I mean, like, are we not playing 100%?

Speaker 6 I mean, Jimmy Butler and Kylo Lowry didn't play tonight. True.

Speaker 6 They didn't play tonight.

Speaker 6 That's true. They basically did load management in the playoffs.
That's how much they disrespected the Hawks.

Speaker 6 Because if this was a game seven of the NBA Finals, there's no chance Jimmy Butler and Kyle Lowry aren't playing. They were like, this is fine.
We can win without them.

Speaker 6 And even if we don't, we'll just win in game six, no problem.

Speaker 7 It literally was the first time that I've seen a team do like a bullpin game in an elimination thing. And they're like, you know what?

Speaker 7 We're going to throw, we're going to go Max Struce and then more Max. Just when you think you've had enough, we're going to give you more of them.

Speaker 7 I just, they're just, the Heat are such a good team right now. I would be, that's the team that would scare me as a true blue, like died in the wolf Celtics believer

Speaker 7 is the team that scares me out of the East.

Speaker 6 Here's what would scare you, you, Hank. Is the double revenge?

Speaker 6 I want it. The heat play defense like the Celtics play defense.
Like when you have a low possession series and both teams are good at defense, it basically comes down to a few guys making shots.

Speaker 6 Obviously, you have Jason Tatum, but the Heat, I think, now officially deserve our respect because that was a whomping and they're looking really good. And Jake, how are you feeling? Heat culture.

Speaker 6 Jake is a Heat fan. He was tweeting about the Heat tonight.

Speaker 8 I'm feeling great. I mean, I agree with what you said.
Like, even next round, everyone's going to be talking about Giannis versus the red-hot Celtics who just took out Katie and Kyrie.

Speaker 6 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 6 The Bulls, the Bulls already lost game five. Did I miss something?

Speaker 8 Haven't you tweeted that they're done?

Speaker 6 No,

Speaker 6 they're playing possum right now.

Speaker 7 I think you said earlier in this podcast, we're doing a time.

Speaker 6 Later, yeah, later. Later in this podcast, I think you said, like, yeah, this is Asterix.

Speaker 8 The series is over because zach levine got covered for the 17th time yeah but go ahead keep going so yeah that series is going to get all the spotlight and the storylines heat versus maybe raptors or 76ers is going to get the uh non-primetime slots because no one respects a team that's been there before but hey i love this chip on your shoulder jake is exactly

Speaker 6 yeah

Speaker 6 Yeah,

Speaker 6 yeah, you embody it.

Speaker 8 Yeah, no, it couldn't be in a better spot right now.

Speaker 8 i hope the raptors push it to seven and the heat will host on monday and no one will be talking about them so

Speaker 6 call out who you want yeah call out who you want

Speaker 8 oh obviously i want hank no but who do you want in the next round oh next round uh

Speaker 6 that was great this is excuse me we're gonna have to figure out the stakes for for

Speaker 6 celtics eastern conference final because that will be i mean awesome like hank is a winner hank wins just consistently and everything but the winner is my kryptonite yeah the achilles heel that hank has is our darling jake

Speaker 6 yeah i need you guys to go i need you guys to go to boston and miami both dressed in full kit i think it needs to be a step over bet i think i think i think the winner gets to step over the loser but don't you think they both have to go to the they have to go to the games to get like one game together

Speaker 6 we're getting way ahead of ourselves game time app thank you game time app. That's awesome that you sponsored this content.
One game each, Boston and Miami, and then both.

Speaker 6 And then Hank wears a full Jason Tatum outfit and Jake wears a full Duncan Robinson outfit.

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, I guess we've got like I would like to get there first.

Speaker 8 Yeah, but we both have to win four more games.

Speaker 6 But yeah, you're the one that said you wanted Hank when we were talking about the Raptors and the Sixers.

Speaker 7 No, he called you up by name.

Speaker 6 Yeah. I need this.
I need this. But your name went so bad.

Speaker 7 I saw your tweet earlier tonight about the critique of the whiteout. Is that something that they need to address moving forward?

Speaker 7 Because you can get away with that in a first-round matchup where you're going to gentlemen sweep them. They obviously, you know, weren't bringing their A-game, but the whiteout, it did look weird.

Speaker 8 Yeah, but apparently, I saw a picture that they actually did that once in the 06 playoffs when they had Wade and Shaq.

Speaker 8 So, and they won it all that year.

Speaker 7 So, where'd they go with the black jerseys?

Speaker 6 Red. Red.

Speaker 6 Red jerseys.

Speaker 8 And the white out.

Speaker 7 White out. Yeah.
I don't like it. I like going, if you're going to white it out, white it out.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And I do like Miami.
I like the Miami whiteout just because everyone just wears their like boat attire or their country club attire and it kind of just fits with the whole thing.

Speaker 7 Yeah, just linen everywhere. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah, just so much linen.

Speaker 8 Button down.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Button down like two buttons off.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Like a cocktail.

Speaker 7 They got the sprinklers going a little bit.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Heat culture, baby.
Heat culture. All right.
And then the last game,

Speaker 6 I feel bad for Pelicans fans because we just haven't recapped any of their games because they just decided to play the whole series very, very late.

Speaker 6 I'm going to say the Suns have won. Yeah.
They're up 14.

Speaker 7 That's fair. The Suns are going to win this game.
I need Chris Paul to get 10 assists.

Speaker 7 Hopefully that's going to happen.

Speaker 5 But, you know, this is good momentum for the Suns.

Speaker 7 Hopefully they can learn how to win a game on the road.

Speaker 6 And listen, I want the Pelicans to win the series, but i also understand that um

Speaker 6 as a podcast we would probably lose one of our favorite guests if the sons lose this series in ryan rascillo i don't think he'll ever come back on because yeah it would be torture for him what like we'd bring up chris we wouldn't talk about anything besides chris paul and i think we'd make him cry and i love him to death but i think that we just have to say you know what it it will hurt all of us too much to do this anymore so in a weird way i guess i am rooting for the sons just so that he can stay in our lives.

Speaker 7 I don't want to have to do that to him. Right.

Speaker 6 But we will, but we, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 7 And it's going to be a complete bullshit argument that we'll have to make against him, which is like Chris Paul once again chokes it away and we'll have to completely ignore the fact that Booker's not playing.

Speaker 7 Maybe.

Speaker 6 But we have to do that.

Speaker 7 It's like we're an insurgency and it's easier for us to win a battle where there's no actual rules of engagement where we don't give a shit about the nuance of the basketball takes.

Speaker 6 yeah maybe i'm rooting for actually now that i'm thinking about i'm rooting for like i don't want any significant injuries but if deandre eighten and like mikael bridges both got covid and then we and then they lost uh because they just lost three of their starters and then we'd be like chris paul's a choke artist is jay crowder still on the suns yeah yeah he is that would be a lot so it's like it's like jay crowder and chris

Speaker 6 running behind picking rolls yeah

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Speaker 1 The whomping is complete.

Speaker 1 The whomping is complete. Got whomped last night.

Speaker 5 I was wrong about the Celtics. Well, Jake was wrong about the Celtics.

Speaker 1 Mostly Jake.

Speaker 5 And

Speaker 5 I will never regret sticking sticking up for my guy, Jake. He watches a lot of ball.
When he says something, it's Bible.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 no regrets on my end wanting to have your back on that, Jake. But it was tough.
I mean, it was reverse whomping. Not only was it not a Netswamping, but they got whomped in four seconds.

Speaker 1 Thoroughly whomped.

Speaker 5 Yes, Hank.

Speaker 3 Question. Yes.

Speaker 3 And we'll get into it, but how much credit to the loss do you give Jake of being completely defeated before the game even began and having no heart or passion for the the Nets to come back.

Speaker 1 Size coming out of him. I was sitting next to Jake.
He explained the reason why I was acting that way, though.

Speaker 5 It's not just the day of the game. It was like the three days before the game.
Jake had been.

Speaker 5 I'm glad that it ended last night with a Nets loss at home because Jake could not have taken two more days.

Speaker 1 That's why I just wanted to rip the band-aid off. Yes.
Like, even if... I didn't believe.
No, even if they won two games, it would have been... Two extra days where I had to deal with it in my head.

Speaker 1 You just wanted to be done with it. By the way, you can watch the video on PM TV on the Part of My Take YouTube.

Speaker 1 I will stand up for Jake right now and just saying the Wampus cat that took place after the game, I allowed him to do pouches.

Speaker 1 So I thought that was fair because he didn't actually have anything to do with this. We dragged him in here.
So he put a whole tin of pouches. A dozen black Buffalo pouches with nicotine, checked

Speaker 1 on the video. PFT manned up with some skull.

Speaker 5 I'm still picking pieces out of my teeth. On the train ride back, we took a train ride back from Brooklyn to Manhattan, and Jake was sitting next to me, and he was just starting to sweat.

Speaker 5 I was starting to sweat too, because there's after effects. There's an aftershock that happens.

Speaker 1 It's a lot of nicotine in it.

Speaker 5 It's a lot of nicotine. And the funniest thing he kept saying over and over again was like, why do you do this?

Speaker 1 He was like,

Speaker 5 this isn't fun.

Speaker 5 What's good about this feeling? Yeah. And he was genuinely puzzled about why.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, you were feeling a little. Your head was

Speaker 1 down with my symptoms. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Nothing. Okay.
As you're putting him in. Yeah.
Head spinning. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Lightheaded. Nauseous.

Speaker 1 Then you have to poop. And then you take a dump.
The poop part is the best part.

Speaker 5 Yeah. That's what.
And then you start it over.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. Right, exactly.
So do not. Not think about doing that when you're driving.
That's when it's really the best. That shouldn't be legal.

Speaker 1 Well, if you have a Tesla. Well, Billy was starting to win dips.

Speaker 3 That's why you quit it. My bad, my bad.

Speaker 1 Get a DUI from dimping. See, Billy and Bit.
What Billy says is always true.

Speaker 1 I think he was saying dip. I'm not even getting that.

Speaker 5 I would love it if Jake got a DUI behind the wheel and the officer pulled him over. They're like, sir, how much have you had to drink? He's like, I just did two pouches of black buffalo.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I did a Wampus Cat a month ago.

Speaker 5 I was talking about Copenhagen Black, which has, I think, whiskey in it.

Speaker 1 Again, I don't know if that's true. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's like that. Billy's like, yeah, if you drink, if you eat, what's the cake?

Speaker 1 Pound cake? Does pound cake have liquor in it? There's some cakes that have rumor. Some cake rummy in it.
There is a lot of cake. Billy's like

Speaker 5 your friend's older brother that comes over during sleepovers and tells you all the weird shit that he's learned in high school.

Speaker 1 Dude, if you swallow a bunch of pennies, you can't get it together.

Speaker 3 I was asking him about it. I was like, Billy, I'm trying to put on weight, gain, muscle.
What are some things I should do? And immediately he was like, drink olive oil before bed.

Speaker 3 And I looked it up and it's a very debated topic. Like some people, so it's not like it's not a confirmed, like, you should do it or shouldn't do it.

Speaker 3 It's very much like, I think the first thing you look up is like, does this help gain weight? And it's like, no.

Speaker 1 but then there's like forums where it's like yes yeah billy lives on it he lives on the bleeding edge of nutrition yes yes well he his advice to me was just do steroids which i appreciated the bluntness with that it's like you're too far gone for olive oil at bed so jake i i've got a big question though like is there a small part of you that kind of wants to try dip again today absolutely not addicted did you go to the dentist no did you make an appointment I already have one.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. All right.
So you were set. You were set.
I was already set.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I could see Jake being like, you know,

Speaker 5 when police officers go through drive-thrus and somebody, like, sprinkles a little bit of weed on their burger and they take a bite and then they check themselves into the hospital for the rest of the day.

Speaker 5 I could see Jake going to the hospital today just to monitor.

Speaker 1 Just to check. Just to check the heartbeat.
I apologize to the people on Dip Twitter. They're probably going to come.
No, I have your back. You actually didn't.
This is

Speaker 1 a situation where you did not actually say anything about this series. You got dragged in.
It was still funny. I was AWLs.
Yeah, and you did it. You manned up.
For the series,

Speaker 1 a couple things. Jason Tatum is, I mean,

Speaker 1 he was easily the best player in the series.

Speaker 1 Like watching him in person,

Speaker 1 you know, like when you're watching a game in person, you're like, oh, yeah, that guy's just better than everyone. And that's what it felt like.

Speaker 1 Scott Foster tried his best to make sure this series went five, but the Celtics were just the better team.

Speaker 5 Scott Foster was, it was like watching an artist paint a masterpiece, watching him, just the way that he was handling the game.

Speaker 5 I don't even know if he was trying to make it go five, but he was trying to make damn sure that everybody knew that Scott Foster was referring the game. He makes the weirdest calls ever.

Speaker 1 Tatum's last foul was very, very bad. I watched it back on the highlights and I was like, oh, yeah, that was a Scott Foster.

Speaker 3 And, you know, Blake Griffin was the one that took the charge, but there was a couple of those that were.

Speaker 1 Shout out, Blake.

Speaker 1 Blake played his balls off. It Blake.
All blood and guts. If Steve Nash had put in Blake game one, that series goes differently.

Speaker 5 I agree. I mean, Blake's out there.
I think he took three charges last night. Yep.
He was on the floor the entire time, diving for balls, falling down.

Speaker 1 Rebounds.

Speaker 5 I'm a little concerned about Blake's balance because he is on the ground a lot.

Speaker 5 Really, you could point out a couple guys on the nets that effort is not an issue for. Blake Griffin, I think he had the best plus minus.
I think he was plus 10 on the game.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 5 Dragic played really well. Yeah.
Had a lot of effort. KD, I thought.

Speaker 5 He's getting a lot of shit right now in the media, and he's on Twitter responding to it. But I don't think you can be like, KD didn't put forth effort this week.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about that real quick because it's obviously Charles Barkley said his comments were basically, if you're not driving the bus, if you're not the best player on the team, if it's not your team, don't go around talking like you're a champ.

Speaker 1 I don't really understand that. Like, are you only the best player gets to basically claim the championship?

Speaker 1 And you could make the argument that Kevin Durant on the Golden State Warriors was the best player in those finals. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 He was the best player. But it was Steph Curry's team.

Speaker 1 Maybe I'm misconstruing what Charles was saying because then KD went on Instagram today and posted a bunch of pictures of Charles with all his teammates.

Speaker 1 Like, it's just a very weird thing to say when basketball is the ultimate team sport and everyone playing together and no one can do it alone.

Speaker 1 And it's just like, it's very bizarre to be like, yeah, Kevin Durant's rings are fraudulent. I know there's some people who think that.
He was bad this series. He was.
Like, he was not.

Speaker 1 And the Celtics defense is incredible, but Kevin Durant was not good. And if you're trying to get a lot of people,

Speaker 3 coaching is involved with that too, because watching in person last night, like all he could do,

Speaker 3 he was just playing isolation basketball. And he was scoring a lot, but it's like, what?

Speaker 3 At some level, you can be the best player in the world, but if your coach isn't helping you out by getting you open, he had to work hard for his, like, none of his shots came easy.

Speaker 5 No, yeah, it was very frustrating watching the Nets on offense, especially compared to what the Celtics do on offense. Yeah.
It's like they're playing two different games.

Speaker 5 And Charles Barkley calling KD out on what is and is not considered his championship. Like Charles Barkley, Charles Barkley is the one that's saying this.
Yes. Charles, with all his rings.
Yes.

Speaker 5 That he's able to say, no, you can't claim that.

Speaker 1 I have that right, right? Like, that was what he was saying. The whole, if you don't drive the bus.

Speaker 1 He was like, if you don't drive the bus, don't go around saying that you're the man, which is just, I don't know.

Speaker 5 It's like John Kerry being like, yeah, I don't know if this election was legit. I wouldn't consider this a win.
It's like, give me a break.

Speaker 5 Like, you don't, like, Charles Barkley should not be the last, the person that's

Speaker 5 deciding what counts as your champion.

Speaker 1 I'm reading it right now. Yeah, Charles Barkley was discrediting.
He said, Charles Barkley goes off on bus drivers and bus riders for championship team and specifically talks about Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 All these bus riders, they don't mean nothing to me. If you ain't driving the bus, don't walk around talking about you a champion.
If you're riding the bus, I don't want to hear it. Come on, Shaq.

Speaker 1 Tell them. All these guys walk around with these championship rings.
Hey, y'all, bus riders. But let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 When you're the bus driver and you got all that pressure, when you have to play well or you're going to get the blame, that's a different animal. animal.

Speaker 1 Now, part of what he's saying is true that like Kevin Durant has more responsibility in Brooklyn versus Golden State because the team isn't as good.

Speaker 1 And he has to, like, last year's playoffs, he had to drag them to that game seven, and it was all on him. But

Speaker 1 are we saying that Kevin Durant's championships don't count?

Speaker 1 That's wild.

Speaker 5 It sounds like a lot of slander towards people who ride the bus as well, which I know Hank disagreed. Like, Hank is a big public transportation guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 We live in New York City.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to take the bus.

Speaker 5 You got to take the bus. Nothing wrong with riding a bus.

Speaker 1 So weird.

Speaker 1 That means that basically one or two guys gets to say they won the championship every year. Yeah, you can't say that the Warriors.

Speaker 1 Trans-Shamingly?

Speaker 5 Yeah, that team was not a bus either. That team was a nuclear submarine.
We had like nine people doing their jobs at the same time.

Speaker 1 Very, very bizarre. So I'm on Kevin Durant's side.
I think Kevin, it's fair to criticize Kevin Durant in this series

Speaker 1 while also saying his championships absolutely count, and that's just what it is.

Speaker 1 And shout out Kyrie, the last, we don't have to talk about Kyrie for a while now, but he did say his COVID vaccination thing might have been a distraction.

Speaker 1 So that was big of him.

Speaker 5 I'm going to wait for all the facts to come out on that.

Speaker 1 It was great.

Speaker 1 When he finally got there, he's like, I didn't want it to be about me, but it kind of became about me.

Speaker 5 It's like, you think? He also said after the game about his plans on next year, he says he wants to re-sign with the Nets.

Speaker 5 He said, when I say I'm here with Kev, I think that really entails us managing this franchise together alongside Joe and Sean. Yeah.
So he declared himself owner of the bus.

Speaker 1 Correct. Correct.

Speaker 5 Correct. He built the bus.
Yes.

Speaker 3 Two other quick notes from the the game. The first one that I was there Saturday as well and I was like drinking, went out after, had a good time.

Speaker 3 So the music wasn't as noticeable, but I was probably coming down from a hangover still on Monday, and it was brutal.

Speaker 1 It was very loud.

Speaker 3 The music, it just never ended. There was no, at no point was there not techno music, like not just music blasting.
And it's a playoff game.

Speaker 3 There should be, it's like you're there to watch basketball.

Speaker 1 The music was very loud. I don't like like shaming bad sports talent.
Like, oh, these guys.

Speaker 1 there was one moment though that i was like in shock like watching there was a kid standing there was a moment where the nets were coming back everyone stood up then a timeout happened everyone sat down this one kid was still standing up and a guy like three rows back was like sit the fuck down it's like dude it's a playoff game yeah like what are we talking about new york is not a bad sports town new york is a good sports town the fans care about sports.

Speaker 5 I love how angry they get at people.

Speaker 5 I will say though that Brooklyn, or at least inside the confines of the Barclays Center,

Speaker 5 that location right there is a bad sports town.

Speaker 3 I mean, they put a hockey team there and moved it out in like a year. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Bad sports time. And we witnessed history.

Speaker 3 That was my other note. Yes.

Speaker 1 With Frank the Tank calling every single one. That will also be in

Speaker 1 Liam. Actually, Bubba made up a huge compilation of every single one of Nick Clankston's misses and Frank going clank

Speaker 1 during every single one of them. It was a joy going to a game with Frank.
He, if you don't know Frank, he's he's got like a routine and we're used to it because we hear it every day.

Speaker 1 But being around a bunch of people who have never heard his comedy act was a joy. Like when he brought out the Steve Trash, people were fucking laughing.
Yeah, no, and they all hit.

Speaker 5 Like all the one-liners were just, they were all landing on the captive audience.

Speaker 5 It's a lot like if you make a movie with Jim Carrey and you're one of his co-stars in the movie, you probably get like a little bit annoyed by the end of shooting because you've had to deal with Jim Carrey Carrey like screaming at you for three months, but then it hits theaters and the crowd like stands up and applauds.

Speaker 5 And you're like, oh yeah, this is very funny. I've just been around it a little bit too much.

Speaker 1 Right. And there's something very special about being at a sporting event and having guy in your section.
It can go very bad when guy in your section who thinks he's funny, like it goes south.

Speaker 1 But when guy in your section actually is funny and has the whole section captivated, that man has all the power in the world.

Speaker 3 Yeah, because Nets fans were agreeing with him.

Speaker 1 Celtics fans were laughing at it.

Speaker 3 It was very funny.

Speaker 1 It's like

Speaker 1 a bar. You're a technical foul.
Yeah, yeah. See that.
Oh, amazing.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that is kind of crazy. That's the part of the family.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that's true either.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that's true. That could be a made-up status.

Speaker 1 That's the stat that Frank really wants. He wants his coach getting technical.

Speaker 5 But one of the first things that I noticed during the game was there were some questionable calls in the first quarter. Very questionable calls.

Speaker 5 Scott Foster was going the other way, and he was like, you could see the Nets players start to just look at themselves, being like, what the hell is this guy doing? Look at what's happening.

Speaker 5 And nobody on the bench, Blake was the only person on the bench he walked out onto the court and started yelling at the refs from the bench steve nash didn't open his mouth like you got to stand up and fight for your guys a little bit right yes i'd agree

Speaker 1 um yeah we was we that was like the biggest pop when he finally uh after he went 0 for 10 on the free throws and then he made one yeah

Speaker 5 it was like a title yeah i i love the sarcastic rounds of applause i love the sarcastic ovations there's nothing better yeah go ahead it did feel like a torch game it did feel like jason Tatum, this was his torch.

Speaker 5 He took the torch from Kevin Durant. And watching him play, he's so big, but the way he moves is so effortless.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and defensively, like everything. He was, like I said, when you go to a game, you just...

Speaker 1 Basketball is the one sport. When you go to a game, you can almost feel it, like who's the best player out here.
And it just, you're watching it, you're like, oh, yeah, it's Jason Tatum.

Speaker 1 It's not even close. Like he, he, the game is his.
However he wants it to go, he can decide.

Speaker 1 All right, other two games. Shout out Game GameTime app, too.
Shout out GameTime app, great seats.

Speaker 1 So it couldn't have gone better for Hank last night because the Celtics complete the sweep of the Nets. He's a winner.
And it looks like the Sixers are in actual real trouble here.

Speaker 1 Ever since the 3-0 Joel Embiid

Speaker 1 buzzer beater, he hurts his hand. He's still playing.
And the Raptors went into Philadelphia and beat them soundly. Now we go to game six.
Hank, are you,

Speaker 1 like, as a Philadelphia hater, are you looking for this to end quickly?

Speaker 1 Like, are you looking for the Raptors to beat them in seven, or do you think it'd be funnier if the Sixers advanced and then lost in the next round?

Speaker 3 No, lose now. Yeah, losing now.

Speaker 1 Lose losing now. Lose a 3-0 series.

Speaker 1 All I'm going to say is I'm judging this based on our colleagues, Roan and Smitty. I asked them, and they both were like, could not be lower morale-wise.
They're like, it's over. They've lost.

Speaker 1 It's done.

Speaker 3 Well, and Bede's calling out James Harden after the game.

Speaker 5 It's beautiful to see. They said,

Speaker 3 how do you feel about James Harden only taking 11 shots? He He said, it's not my job to tell him to take shots. It seems like something the coach should probably telling.

Speaker 3 It seems like something he should be doing on his own, or the coach should be telling him to shoot more. So he's blaming

Speaker 3 Doc Rivers and James Harden.

Speaker 1 Roan's exact quote was, we're on to Jay Wright. So that's where Sixers fans are right now.
They're ready to just move on to the next page, and Jay Wright is their next head coach.

Speaker 5 I mean, it can't get worse than Doc.

Speaker 5 I think Doc's a funny dude. I think he's a good, like, I like him.

Speaker 1 Won a ring.

Speaker 5 As an individual, he got a ring. but this, this would be the absolute final piece of the puzzle for Doc Rivers' postseason coaching legacy.
I did.

Speaker 5 It's maybe the most confusing postseason coaching legacy of all time if he managed to become the first coach to blow a 3-0 lead.

Speaker 3 I got a little triggered because it was when he was on the Celtics and the Lakers were playing them in the finals, but there's an interview clip of Phil Jackson talking to his team being like, Doc Rivers has blown more fourth quarter leads this season than any other coach ever.

Speaker 3 We're seeing why.

Speaker 3 Just keep playing.

Speaker 3 he was just destroying Doc. And obviously, it was when the Celtics lost, but that's, you know, that's bad.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I mean, he's a guy that...

Speaker 3 He doesn't have a good reputation.

Speaker 5 His reputation completely lives up to the hype, especially if he goes through with this one, with this grand scheme. The one last heist for Doc Rivers.

Speaker 1 There's only been three times that a team in the NBA has ever evened a 3-0 lead, being down 3-0. No team has ever come all the way back.

Speaker 1 So they lost, three teams have lost game seven after being down 3-0.

Speaker 5 And going into this postseason, if you were to say, like, which coach is going to blow a 3-0 lead, it probably, we would have all said Doc Rivers, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then, yeah, the other game, I mean, the Mavs are going to hopefully get rid of this Jazz team. Luca feels like he's all the way back.

Speaker 1 I'm excited because Luca being in the playoffs in the next round is so much better than the Jazz. And I know Jazz fans, I think Jazz fans actually have come around.
They're like, yeah, this sucks.

Speaker 1 Like, we don't really want to watch this team anymore. And they need to do something different.

Speaker 5 Quinn Snyder's aged like a president through this series.

Speaker 1 It's brutal.

Speaker 5 He looks probably 25 years older than he did two weeks ago. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And recurring guest Jason Kidd may be going to the next round. People forget.
That's right.

Speaker 5 Jason Kidd. Deli called him actually on this show.
That's right.

Speaker 1 On Rasillo

Speaker 1 that we put on the podcast. Yep.
Yes.

Speaker 5 Was that legal to do? Just like take part of another man's show and put it on your podcast? Definitely not. Definitely.
Come do something about it, Ryan.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
Let's do hot seat cool throw. And then we got Todd McShea and then Guys on Picks with Steven Che.

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Speaker 1 Hank, hot seat cool throw.

Speaker 3 My hot seat is unwritten rules.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 3 This is baseball talking about dip earlier. Although this has nothing to do with dip.
I don't know why I just said that.

Speaker 3 But over the weekend, PFT's Nationals were playing a game, and they were down by only

Speaker 3 six runs. And the team, the Giants tried to score another run.
They stole a base or

Speaker 3 waved a guy in at third, got thrown out. And then the Nationals were coming off the field pissed off.
Thinking that they were getting the score run up on them when it was only six runs.

Speaker 5 To be fair,

Speaker 5 a six-run lead to the Nationals is like 20.

Speaker 5 We're not going to come back from that. But yeah, I agree.
It was ridiculous. But you know what? Sometimes when you have a shitty team,

Speaker 5 sometimes you have to just get into a fight to get everybody believing in something together. Yes.
Get everybody on the same page. You have to start looking for those little perceived slights.

Speaker 5 Otherwise, you're just going to be dejected all year. So yeah, that's

Speaker 5 probably more about the condition of the team overall.

Speaker 1 It's like getting in a fight in college when you then go back with all your boys. You're like, how sick that was.
That was crazy, dude. Did you punch that?

Speaker 1 Like, no one did anything, but you're sitting there afterwards, like, oh, man. Adrenaline, you know, bumping.
Everyone's like, boys, like, tighter than we've ever been.

Speaker 1 That's exactly what it feels like.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you're up until 4 a.m. talking about the fight together.

Speaker 1 Oh, dude, I forgot I swung on that guy.

Speaker 3 This would be like, dude, we could have just scored seven runs.

Speaker 1 No, no, no, no. No, can't do that.

Speaker 5 Can't do that. One time I just got through the lineup walking.

Speaker 1 Oh, dude, we could have just gotten pizza.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no. No,

Speaker 5 you got the the fight. I called one of my friends one time when I was getting into a fight because I was way outnumbered.
And we got into the fight, went home.

Speaker 5 About four hours later, I want to say, around 3.34 a.m., the friend that I called barges in the front door. Like the Kool-Aid made.
He's like, let's fucking go.

Speaker 1 Let's fuck these guys up.

Speaker 5 And I was like, dude, that was at midnight.

Speaker 1 He gets credit, though. Yeah.

Speaker 5 He gets credit. He showed up better late than never.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Then my cool throne is NFL fan fiction.

Speaker 3 This was going to be my who's back from Monday.

Speaker 5 Are you talking about me and my dad again?

Speaker 3 I am talking about you and your dad. And I don't know if Chris Sims probably isn't a cousin, but he's involved in this one.

Speaker 1 I don't claim him.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, I would hope not.

Speaker 5 Stepuncle.

Speaker 3 But he said that Tom Brady was trying to get traded to the Dolphins for a second-round pick, and that they were also going to trade for Sean Payton.

Speaker 3 And the only reason that didn't happen was because of the Brian Flores thing.

Speaker 5 Would you say that Chris Sims

Speaker 5 is well connected with the Bucs, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers?

Speaker 1 No. No.

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 5 Remind me again where he got drafted and where he played.

Speaker 3 What, like 100 years ago?

Speaker 5 Okay, so you think everyone's making this up? Yes. Just to piss you off.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 Do you believe that?

Speaker 5 Yeah, I kind of do.

Speaker 1 I thought it was going to be something else because I just, listen, we love Florio.

Speaker 1 He gets dragged sometimes on the internet, but his tweet last night was so emo,

Speaker 1 I wanted to text him and be like, you okay, dude? He said, I have a mock draft ready to go. I'm seriously thinking about not posting it this year.
What's the point?

Speaker 1 There are plenty of other ways to talk about the draft without pretending to know what's going to happen. Like,

Speaker 1 what's the point of any of this? I think Himmingway said. What's the point of us doing a podcast?

Speaker 5 I think Himmingway said the six saddest words in the English language for sale mock draft never read.

Speaker 3 What's the point? I'm sure you know Rick Stroud, PFT, a prominent Bucks reporter for the Tampa Bay Times, someone who's very much plugged in the Buccaneers organization.

Speaker 3 he was quick to dispute Sims' claim. So who's, you know, whose side are you rolling with here?

Speaker 5 Who's to say?

Speaker 5 I mean, do you think there's like no chance that Tom Brady wanted to go to the Dolphins? Out of everything that we've heard, that Tom Brady was like going to be an owner of the Dolphins.

Speaker 3 This is what fan fiction is. Like, yes, there's a chance maybe Tom Brady might have wanted to entertain going to the Dolphins.
That gets out there, and then these

Speaker 3 fan fiction writers just start making shit up for clicks.

Speaker 5 You're very fake news media.

Speaker 1 Wait, why are you upset about the Dolphins thing? What does this have to do with you?

Speaker 3 It's not upsetting. It's just like when these things get reported, like, oh, can you believe Tom Brady is going to go to the Dolphins and Sean Payton? It's like, what?

Speaker 3 And then you look into it and it's like, no, this is, I'm making this shit up.

Speaker 1 But you're not mad. But what does it have to do? What is it? Like, if he went to the Dolphins, would that make you mad?

Speaker 1 I think it was a matter of money. Absolutely.
Yeah, no, absolutely.

Speaker 3 It's not, I don't even have to entertain it, but it's more when PFT and his dad bring it up as a matter of fact

Speaker 1 when it's purely

Speaker 5 fan fiction. Fan fiction.
I think that Hank's probably right to a certain extent where it was something that was discussed.

Speaker 5 It was never something that was like ironclad going to happen, but it was probably talked about. And the show

Speaker 3 makes it more of like, okay.

Speaker 5 And now they know that whenever they write about or dig into like what conversation was had when,

Speaker 5 that's another win for whatever website they're writing for. A bunch of clicks coming through.
I kind of agree with that, Hank, but I also think that it was a thing that was definitely discussed.

Speaker 5 Many things get discussed.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that is true. Many things do get discussed.
Point Hank on that one. Yeah.
Lots of things. Lots of things.
Binders of discussion.

Speaker 5 Yeah, not everyone has ironclad NDAs like fourth floor Hank.

Speaker 1 Like a team was going to get a Matt Lowe's. One second floor now.

Speaker 3 One second round pick for Tom Brady and a first round pick for Sean Payton. Like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 That would happen.

Speaker 5 Maybe. Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell anymore.

Speaker 1 Yes. Okay.

Speaker 1 PFD, your hot seat, cool thrown.

Speaker 5 My hot seat is the situation and

Speaker 5 all of his colleagues and cohorts because I'm a shore guy again this summer. I'm going back down to the Jersey Shore.
I got addicted to it last year.

Speaker 5 Spent about a month and a half down there. Loved every minute.
Booked the beach house today.

Speaker 1 It's official.

Speaker 5 It's happening. Gonna be playing a lot of golf down there with our good friends at Barcelona Golf Time.
Gonna be hooking up at tea times. I'm gonna be slamming pork rolls, novelty drinks, whole nine.

Speaker 5 I'm so excited because I feel like summer gets a bad rap. I know you're not a big summer guy.

Speaker 3 Preach that's not true. Preach BFT.
That's not No, summer.

Speaker 1 I'm happy you've converted. It used to be me against both of you two.
In New York City. I will stand by that forever.

Speaker 1 New York City is disgusting in the middle of the summer.

Speaker 5 Hank, what are you talking about?

Speaker 5 I love summer. Summer is great.
Summer's always good.

Speaker 3 I like summer, too.

Speaker 1 I do not like summer in New York City.

Speaker 3 Summer is gross. Is it your number one season?

Speaker 5 I think it might be. I think summer...

Speaker 1 You're not a football guy.

Speaker 5 Summer slash fall.

Speaker 1 No, you can't do that.

Speaker 1 Like, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 I like summer slash fall. No.
Yeah, because guess what? Guess what, bitch? September, that whole month until the 21st.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 5 September is a summer.

Speaker 3 We're not doing the lunar calendar.

Speaker 1 When Labor Day happens, summer's over.

Speaker 5 Okay, well, what I'm saying is I love the summertime. I love being at the beach in the summer.

Speaker 5 I used to do this thing where I would go on vacations and try to see the world during the summer, but then I realized every place I would go in the world, I would just try to be near a beach.

Speaker 5 So why not just live at the beach for most of the summer?

Speaker 5 So for a lot of July and August, back at the shore, baby.

Speaker 1 Can't wait. Love it.

Speaker 1 I mean, I booked a place too. I'm not going to.
Yeah, I mean, I'm going to Eastern Long Island. So, I like summer too.

Speaker 3 Okay. I'll be here on the third floor working.

Speaker 1 I don't think I can go to the Georgia shore with two little kids and walk around and everyone be like, big cat, what up, bro?

Speaker 3 No, enjoy your time off.

Speaker 1 I'll be on the third floor. Oh, you'll be here?

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Hank will be working.

Speaker 5 My cool throne is the skies of Georgia and Azerbaijan

Speaker 5 because on Wednesday night, Hank, would you like to talk about it?

Speaker 3 On Wednesday night, on the part of my take, Twitch, PFT commentator will be streaming Flight Simulator.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm going to be engaging. Ghost of Manhattan.
Ghost of Manhattan. I'm going to be finally, I'm going to hop on Twitch and I'm going to shoot down a bunch of MiGs.
So 8 p.m.

Speaker 5 Wednesday night, I'll be patrolling the skies. Hope to see you guys there.
I don't know really how to fly that well.

Speaker 5 Probably going to crash nine times more than I don't crash, but I'm looking forward to it. There we go.
Join us.

Speaker 1 Tune in while he lights up the skies.

Speaker 1 All right, my hot seat is every other quarterback not named Kenny Pickett because our guy, we here at Pardon My Take have created a website. Everyone should go visit it.
It's called kenny'shands.com.

Speaker 1 Kenny'shands.com. And you might be saying to yourself, what is kenny'shands.com?

Speaker 1 Well, it is a place where you can decide the difference between Kenny's Pickett's hands, see if Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger or smaller than random objects. So you want to fire it up real quick?

Speaker 1 Fire it up. Is it an apostrophe?

Speaker 1 Kenny'shands.com. No apostrophe.

Speaker 5 I don't think you can type apostrophes into the U.S.

Speaker 1 I don't think so. I do not think so.

Speaker 1 Let's just, here we go.

Speaker 1 Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than two Crayola crayons.

Speaker 5 Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a four-pack of AA batteries.

Speaker 1 Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a cosmic brownie.

Speaker 5 Ooh, Kenny Pickett's hands are not bigger than a concrete grain silo.

Speaker 1 Ooh, okay. He just barely missed that.
That's a tough break for for Kenneth. Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than milkbone dog treats.

Speaker 5 Ooh, Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than sidewalk chalk.

Speaker 1 Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a skateboard. Parentheses, tech deck.
Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a Lego Bionicle.

Speaker 5 I don't know what that is, but they're bigger.

Speaker 3 Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than Exhibit 164A from the O.J. Simpson trial.

Speaker 1 Kenny Pickett's, now, this is fairness because everyone should go check it out. Kenny Pickett's hands are not bigger than the Burj Khalifa.

Speaker 5 Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a a Pittsburgh steel adjustable wrench. Wow.

Speaker 1 That's big. That's big.
These are all the things that Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than. Everyone who's saying his hands are too small.
We are here to dispel that. Go visit it.
Visit it often.

Speaker 1 Spread it around to the people. Kenny's hands.com.

Speaker 5 Do you think that Kenny's hands are bigger than more things than they are not bigger than? Yes. I think so.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, we could just check the site.

Speaker 5 That's true. If you hit it.
It's one of those, like, how many, are there more doors or windows questions or doors or wheels in the world?

Speaker 5 I think that his hands are bigger than most things in the world.

Speaker 1 I just did it 15 times and there was only the Burj Khalifa.

Speaker 5 Which is maybe the biggest thing in the world.

Speaker 1 Right, which is the biggest thing in the world. So I don't really know.
Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than Infant Yeezy Boost 350.

Speaker 5 Those are big.

Speaker 1 Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than a ballpark frank. That's a lot of things.
That's a lot of things.

Speaker 5 Wait, wait, Billy, can you fact-check this? They're bigger than the world's largest Megalodon tooth.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Megalodon's tooth spout like six by six.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 1 So they're bigger than that. Yep.
Wow.

Speaker 5 Megalodon was kind of a bitch, huh?

Speaker 1 Yeah, those teeth weren't that big. Well, no, they're big teeth.
They're big teeth. They're teeth.
It's Kenny's hands. Kenny's hands are bigger.
Kenny's hands are bigger.

Speaker 5 I was assuming if you're going to call it Megalodon, it should be mega. It's not very mega.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So yeah, go check it out, Kenny'shands.com. And then my cool throne is the Milwaukee Bucks because they get to go to the second round because Zach Levine has COVID for like the fourth time.

Speaker 1 So I think we all agree that the Bulls were right.

Speaker 1 We're about to beat the Bucs, have a historic comeback. But Zach Levine got COVID again.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's a tough break.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So what are you going to do?

Speaker 5 Asterisks.

Speaker 1 Asterisks, yeah. Asterisks on this series.
Something to build on. Bullshit.
That was total bullshit. All right, Billy.

Speaker 9 My hot seat is Genghis Khan.

Speaker 9 According to the Smithsonian magazine, a new study by the European Journal of Human Genetics has determined that Genghis Khan does not have the highest genetic net out of all Y chromosomes ever.

Speaker 5 So what does that mean?

Speaker 9 So, remember how people used to say that Genghis Kong has 16 million descendants and has like the widest

Speaker 1 Seattle slew.

Speaker 9 Yeah, in like 0.5% of the world population. Turns out he is one of 11 who has that wide of a reach by a new study.

Speaker 5 Whoa. So, you divide all of his offspring by 11, is what you're saying.

Speaker 9 No, so there's another guy who they, so there's another dynasty ruler by the name of Chin,

Speaker 9 a Chin dynasty ruler, and that's Q-I-N-Q

Speaker 9 called Geo Kanga, who also has up to 16 million living descendants. So, Genghis Khan is off the throne of the highest.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 5 That's what everyone knows him for.

Speaker 3 Tough break. Okay.

Speaker 9 And my cool throne is Zach Wilson. There's a very funny, relatable video that was going around of Zach Wilson on the golf course bantering with some people.
And for some reason,

Speaker 9 be it his PR team or even the Mormon Church, that video cannot be found anymore. It's been totally scrubbed.
Every time it's uploaded somewhere, it goes away.

Speaker 5 That's where you sent it to me.

Speaker 9 I know, because I have it.

Speaker 5 So I have it too now. It's very relatable.

Speaker 1 Can we post it?

Speaker 5 No, so

Speaker 9 I tried to blog it, but it was basically not worth blogging because whatever entity out there that's having it scrubbed from the internet is doing it very well.

Speaker 1 So did you compromise me by sending it to my phone?

Speaker 5 No.

Speaker 9 Okay. But it's on my burner account, for those that know.

Speaker 1 Can you... Oh.

Speaker 9 It's a hilarious video. It's nothing bad for Zach Wilson.
It's just him on a golf course bantering.

Speaker 9 It's very funny. He's just making funny jokes.

Speaker 3 I think you should put yourself on the cool throne too, Billy. You are one of the most fashion-forward people I've ever met.
I haven't seen someone wear socks with sparries.

Speaker 9 We're bringing back Elite

Speaker 1 Sperries.

Speaker 5 Well, I think the more questionable decision is the socks are being worn on the outside of your sweatpants.

Speaker 9 I'm tucking my sweatpants into my socks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what's the light? What's that? She's basically Kanye.

Speaker 9 It's activewear.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Got it.

Speaker 9 It's ready for

Speaker 1 competitive casual.

Speaker 9 Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just sent it to everyone, so now everyone is going to probably get shut down by the Mormon church.

Speaker 9 No, no, just if you post it online. Okay.
Like it was on Reddit. It was on the Jets Reddit forum.
It was everywhere. And then all of a sudden it just disappeared.

Speaker 5 It's not even coming through to me.

Speaker 9 Yeah, it was on TikTok. It's a very funny video.
It makes Zach Wilson very relatable.

Speaker 5 Get shadow banned on iMessage because he sent this.

Speaker 1 Wow. Jake, your hot seat, cool throwing.
Then we'll get to Todd McShay and Stephen Che. My hot seat's the NBA on Christmas Day.

Speaker 1 yeah you saw this so the nfl is now doing a triple header on christmas day so they just took over spank nfl is king this was what i think you said is pretty much mentally your opening day of the nba christmas day now it's just no one's gonna talk nope i i do love nba on christmas day but not whatever the nfl you played nope is there is there any day that the nfl could not take over if they wanted to people were saying march madness yeah people were saying like uh

Speaker 1 no i actually would agree with that i think the novelty of March Madness

Speaker 1 Thursday, Friday. Yeah.

Speaker 5 What if they had the draft on Thursday of March Madness?

Speaker 1 I would watch March Madness.

Speaker 5 I would too, but what do you think would get higher ratings?

Speaker 1 Probably the draft. I mean, yeah, because also, I mean, it's cumulative March Madness ratings, maybe the March Madness.
But like,

Speaker 1 yeah, I mean,

Speaker 1 that would be a toe-to-toe.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the NBA, they're screwed. And I know there was a lot of NBA fans like, well, they can only do this when Christmas is on a Saturday or Sunday.

Speaker 1 Right, because they're moving the big slate to Saturday. They did this a few years ago.
Just so you know, they can do it whenever they want. Yeah.

Speaker 1 If they want to do it next year on a Tuesday, they can do that too.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Roger Goodell determined that the only rival that he had yet to conquer was Jesus. Yeah.
And so he's going to square his sights.

Speaker 5 I think there's going to be a game. I think I read this earlier today that there will be a game on

Speaker 5 that Black Friday after Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 Ooh. Wait,

Speaker 5 which would conflict with the USA England game, I think.

Speaker 1 Well, that already conflicts with Iowa and Nebraska. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It does. I mean, it's an all-time color game in college football.
I watch that. And Virginia Technology.
Amazon's made a bid for a Black Friday game. Doesn't look like it's official yet.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Exploring the possibility.

Speaker 5 That would be tough for me personally. 70 to 100 million for one game.

Speaker 1 No, that's a traditional day that I need to stay the same where it's like all the games that I lost on Thanksgiving Day. I can then be like, all right, I'm taking Iowa.
Yeah. So don't do that to us.

Speaker 1 And then your cool throne? My cool throne is the Rams social media team. Yeah.
Cool video about the draft, and they don't even have top picks.

Speaker 1 I started to watch the video wanting to hate it, and then halfway through, I was like, this is pretty fucking cool.

Speaker 5 Are they staying in another like sick, sick bachelor pad?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot they did that.

Speaker 5 They had the best house last year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 They did. I don't know.
But like, who needs picks if you're winning? I guess that was probably a COVID thing. Trophy.

Speaker 1 So they probably will just be in, or no, they'll probably just be in their facility.

Speaker 5 But yeah. I do respect the Rams' just complete commitment to just paying for any free agent, never having draft picks, and just saying fuck the draft in general.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you watch the video?

Speaker 5 It was sick.

Speaker 1 So it was better than most movie trailers.

Speaker 5 I saw Aaron Donald at the chalkboard, right? Yeah, I saw that part.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. And I think, was it, who's, who's the actor that's playing Stan Cronke? Was it Dennis Quaid? I think Dennis Quaid was in it.
So

Speaker 1 they essentially were like, we don't have to do any scouting for first and second round. Yep.
So let's put all of our resources into making this awesome video.

Speaker 5 I love that. Now, it could be a smokescreen.
It's lying season.

Speaker 5 What if the Rams

Speaker 5 trade all the next five years worth of first-round picks to move up for the weakest first-round draft ever? Yeah, into the weakest draft ever.

Speaker 1 That would be. You never know.
Yeah, Zag on everyone's Zig. All right, let's get to our good friend Tom McShea.
And then we have Stephen Shea guys on picks after that.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on our good friend, Todd McShea. You will see him on Thursday night on ESPN.
The NFL draft is here.

Speaker 1 We had Daniel Jeremiah on this week. We talked to him about this draft feeling like it isn't as, I don't know, it doesn't have the pop that past drafts have had.

Speaker 1 And I'll pose the question to you that I posed to him. Why?

Speaker 1 Is there a specific reason you can point to that's like, it doesn't feel like there's as much being talked about coming up with this draft as opposed to the last few drafts?

Speaker 6 First of all, you call me a good friend, but you only text me once a year and ask if I'll come on your show.

Speaker 1 That's true. That's a good point.
That's a good point. Wait.

Speaker 6 Is that how you treat all your good friends?

Speaker 1 No, hold on. I definitely texted you before that.
I definitely did.

Speaker 1 I'll find that. You answer the question.
I'll find out. I'll find all the good friend stuff we did.

Speaker 6 Gotcha. All right.
No,

Speaker 6 quarterbacks. I mean, that's a simple answer, right? I mean, last year we had five quarterbacks in the top 15.

Speaker 6 You know,

Speaker 6 you had three in the top, what was it, three in the top four, I think it was last year. So, and Trevor Lawrence and the buildup for him going number one, and the Jets going to take Zach Wilson.

Speaker 6 I mean, there was a lot of intrigue last year. This year,

Speaker 6 the talent levels of a notch below just about every position, too.

Speaker 6 And I, you know, it's not great to be hyping up the draft on Thursday and saying that just about every single position you go across the board, like I would take Panay Sewell and Rashawn Slater over the top two tackles.

Speaker 6 That doesn't mean that Icky Aquanu from from NC State, Nevin Neal from Alabama, and Charles Cross from Mississippi State aren't very good.

Speaker 6 So to me, the intrigue this year is, and I've talked to three GMs in the last five days. I've talked to 10 different teams in the last seven or eight days.

Speaker 6 Almost every single conversation starts with, I can't remember a draft where like you talk to a different team and like all four receivers, let's say Drake London, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, his teammate in ohio state jamison williams from alabama you can literally find teams in the league that have that four those four in all different orders and and there are different teams that have drake london one olave one

Speaker 6 garrett wilson one and jameson williams one

Speaker 6 so then you go to like offensive tackle i know the giants and the carolina panthers have I should say I know, I am told, and I believe based on the source, Charles Cross from Mississippi Mississippi State ahead of Icky Aquano and ahead of Evan Neal.

Speaker 6 And then there are other teams like Houston very well could take Ike Aquanu at number three. And if he doesn't go three, he could go four.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 6 But every position, I think, is just a tick behind last year. And this year's receiving group, we could have seven receivers in the first round.

Speaker 6 I would bet on, if the over-under is five, I would take the over.

Speaker 1 That's crazy.

Speaker 5 Which is as good as two years ago.

Speaker 6 It's a lot like two years ago when Henry Ruggs was the 12th overall pick. That was the first receiver off the board, but there were six first rounders.

Speaker 6 Last year, there were five, but Jamar Chase, there's no Jamar Chase in this spots.

Speaker 5 So, is there any position? Would you say, like, this is the draft of X position that's better, like unusually good? The punter, you've got Ariza. Is this the draft of the punters?

Speaker 6 He's a good jumping-off point. Uh, Edge, I think Edge and wide receiver are the deepest groups.

Speaker 6 And it's weird because this year, because a lot of

Speaker 6 shortened schedules last last year in 2020 due to COVID, forced a lot of players to come back to try to prove that they were first rounders or second rounders or third rounders.

Speaker 6 And so there's more talent in the third and fourth round this year than on any draft I can remember in the last 20 years of doing this. But no one wants to talk about the third, fourth round, right?

Speaker 6 But I think Edge, when you have potentially the top three picks, coming off the board at one position that's not quarterback. That's a big story.

Speaker 6 I mean, I think Trayvon Walker is going to be the pick for Jacksonville, which is a surprise, but that's based on like conversations in the last three or four days, honestly. Right.

Speaker 6 I thought all along that they would go with the solid double Aiden Hutchinson leader, team guy. He's prepared.

Speaker 6 He has the stats. 14 sacks a year ago compared to Trayvon Walker, nine and a half sacks in his entire career at Georgia.

Speaker 6 So, but you look at this position with Aiden Hutchinson, Trayvon Walker, Kayvon Thibodeau, who is going to go somewhere in the 2-3

Speaker 6 to 8 range. I'm told the parachute pick would be the Falcons at 8.
But then after that, Jermaine Johnson from Florida State, George Karloftis

Speaker 6 from Purdue, Penn State's Arnold Ebocady.

Speaker 6 Boyer Mafe from Minnesota. I mean, there's a lot of edge defenders and a lot of wide receivers.

Speaker 6 And that's why I think you might see teams like the Jets who pick it four and 10 and then 35 and 38 pass on receiver early, especially at four,

Speaker 6 because when the tackles run out, they run out. After those first three, there's Trevor Penning from

Speaker 6 Northern Iowa. And then there's a massive drop off after that.

Speaker 6 So I think tackles are going to go quick because teams know we can't get a really like a starting tackle day one early in the second round.

Speaker 1 I like your answer about how each team has these guys

Speaker 1 ranked differently because I think that actually plays into what we're talking about. This draft, maybe not having the pop.

Speaker 1 A lot of fans go into the draft, and it's almost like you have a guy circled, and it's basically you go in the draft, you hope you draft the guy that everyone's saying, and then if you don't, you can bitch and moan.

Speaker 1 Right now, everyone's going in the draft, and there's basically everything's a question mark. Let me ask you this: there's a couple teams that have multiple picks in the first round.

Speaker 1 Everyone feels like they want to trade back, but at this point, there can't be a big market for trading back because of this draft, correct?

Speaker 1 Like, it's going to be difficult for teams to say, oh, let's punt to the future. Let's get another pick next year and trade back in the first round with our second first-round pick.

Speaker 1 That feels like it might not happen.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I tend to agree. And I think, as I mentioned before, with offensive tackle, that could be the spot or the position that you see teams move up for.
Normally, it's quarterback, right?

Speaker 6 I don't think we're going to see any movement at quarterback.

Speaker 6 In fact, I'll be shocked that if a team in the top 19 picks that didn't trade up takes a quarterback. So maybe there's a team that moves up ahead of Pittsburgh.

Speaker 6 Maybe Pittsburgh has its eyes set on Malik Willis from Liberty and says, you know, we're not going to wait for a team like Detroit or Atlanta or Seattle who have a bunch of picks later to try to move up ahead of us.

Speaker 6 So maybe they get out ahead of the curve. But I...
If nobody traded in the first 19 picks, I don't have a team for you that would draft a quarterback.

Speaker 1 What about Carolina?

Speaker 6 Pittsburgh, what's that? No, I'm told that's not going to happen.

Speaker 6 I'm really surprised when I heard, I heard the news on Friday, and then I talked to two different general managers that had heard the same thing, that Carolina, I think Matt Ruhl wants to draft a quarterback, but Matt Ruhl, if things don't go well next year, isn't going to be there.

Speaker 6 And I'm told it's kind of both sides, that Matt Ruhl

Speaker 6 wouldn't be disappointed to go be a head coach in college football again.

Speaker 6 And the organization isn't going to let a coach that might have just one year, or maybe not even a full year, left as their head coach be a major part of their decision-making for the future.

Speaker 6 So, I, again, I don't, Atlanta at eight is not taking a quarterback. I don't see Seattle at nine taking a quarterback.
I think you're going to see the run happen where it should happen.

Speaker 6 These quarterbacks are back half of the first and early second-round quarterbacks. That's where the grades are.

Speaker 1 That's that's that's also part of it because we are now conditioned. Uh, and you can go back to even you know the Christian Ponder draft where he was a big bust.

Speaker 1 But you have you we're conditioned that no matter what the week of the draft or even the month of the draft quarterbacks will start get getting the buzz and they'll start moving up the draft board so you're saying that this might be one of the first times in a long time where the quarterbacks get picked where they probably should get picked and there's not this crazy rush where everyone jumps up and maybe reaches a little bit it's starting to yeah it's it's starting to look like that very much so and it's like it's funny when you talk because in the media like we're we're so conditioned that that's exactly what's going to happen, right?

Speaker 6 Like, all right, here we go. It's, it's mid-April.
Where's the buzz? And then you hear one little whisper about, well, you know, this team can move up. And it's like, all right, it's going to start.

Speaker 6 And everyone was like, Malik Willis, I'm hearing he's going to the top 10. Tell me where.
Like, I don't see it. This year's class reminds me so much of 2013.
See if I can remember that.

Speaker 6 Blaine Gabbert was a surprise at three to Jacksonville, right?

Speaker 6 Then it went to, I think, 22 with Johnny Manzel.

Speaker 6 Then Teddy Bridgewater was 32, I want to say the last pick in the first round. Then Derek Carr was early second with the Raiders.
And then New England drafted Jimmy Garoppolo.

Speaker 6 I want to say it picked 62 or 64.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 it reminds me a lot of that class because there could be that one wild card that we don't foresee at this point. Because remember, if you remember back to 2013.

Speaker 6 I thought Bortles would be the first quarterback off the board.

Speaker 1 He should have been. I didn't think it number three.
I mean,

Speaker 6 that shocked everybody. Anyone who says that they knew that and and does not work for the did not work for the um the jaguars at the time

Speaker 6 they're lying so this this is very similar and it won't surprise me too like if desmond ritter or matt corral or sam howell very similar to derrick carr and and garoppolo wind up being the better quarterbacks five years from now and they were the second round picks i mean that it almost went in reverse order in terms of career success throw out um throw out johnny manzel in that really Yeah, but Blake, I hope that's not a ricochet shot at Blake right there because he beat the Steelers in the playoffs.

Speaker 5 That's true.

Speaker 1 He did. He did Bridgewater.

Speaker 6 Bridgewater had, I would say, had a little bit more sustained success. Carr, obviously, was better than Bridgewater.
Garoppolo isn't better than Carr, but he's won bigger games.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so you, yeah, it was a 2014 draft. You did nail the Teddy Bridgewater.
It was 2014? 2014, 62 overall was Teddy Bridgewater, or was Jimmy Garoppolo. But yeah,

Speaker 1 this is actually a very good comp draft where it's a lot of guys late in the first and early in the second.

Speaker 1 Now, teams, let me ask this for quarterbacks because we've seen it. You can even point to Teddy Bridgewater.
We saw it with Lamar Jackson when the Ravens moved up.

Speaker 1 Will there be that move up at the end of the first round because you know that you actually have that extra year of control for a quarterback? Was that where you could see?

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't know. You tell me what your quarterbacks rank, like Sam Howell or someone like that,

Speaker 6 someone trading up into that last pick in the first round i absolutely could see that i've i've heard that atlanta has a thing for matt corral that wouldn't shock me you see it's it's strange this year because the 30 second team usually doesn't need a quarterback right but detroit made that trade stafford now they have the 32nd pick and so detroit i don't think detroit is hell-bent on taking a quarterback i'm i'm certain they're not taking one at two right

Speaker 6 At 32, I still think they want to build their team. And then they pick a few picks later, early in the second round.
So

Speaker 6 it wouldn't shock me if they came out of those first three picks without a quarterback. But if you're a team that likes a specific quarterback and

Speaker 6 you don't know what Detroit is going to do with that 30-second pick, yes, you want to move up ahead of Detroit. And also the wild card here, the Tennessee Titans at 26.

Speaker 6 Ryan Tannehill turns 34 this upcoming season, I believe, 34. And

Speaker 6 his contract,

Speaker 6 it eats up a ton of cap space next year, but then they could get rid of him. They could part ways after the 2022 season, right? So draft a quarterback this year if you're Tennessee.

Speaker 6 Like if Malik Willis is there or Kenny Pickett is there, draft him, sit him, let him develop. Let Tannehill go do what he did last year.
I mean, they won a bunch of big games.

Speaker 6 They just, he, he bit it. Tannehill did in the playoffs, and they played well.
So to me, it's like, all right, we're paying, I want to say it's like 38 million next year for Tannehill.

Speaker 6 And then the following year, you could be paying three or like three and a half million, 4 million for the next five years for the quarterback that you draft.

Speaker 6 And then you get to take that other $33 to $35 million and go, you know, secure A.J. Brown, bring in some veteran free agents.
So that might be the play for Tennessee. So to me,

Speaker 6 it starts at 20 if there's no trades. Tennessee is kind of a wild card at 26.
Detroit at 32 is a possibility, but then Atlanta is lurking. I think they pick at 38 or 39 early in the second round.

Speaker 6 And Seattle is lurking. They pick at 40 and 41.
They have back-to-back picks early in the second round.

Speaker 5 What's the mechanics like of the actual trades on draft night?

Speaker 5 If you're a GM and you're going into the draft, you already have an idea of like which teams you're going to contact when it's your turn to choose and then who might be interested, who might not be?

Speaker 5 Or are you sending out like 30 text messages to every GM you know being like, hey, if you want to move up, I'm looking a deal right now. Send me your best offer.
How does that work?

Speaker 6 Well, a lot of those calls have been going on for like the last week and will continue to go on this week. Kind of just playing scenarios.

Speaker 6 Hey, if, you know, don't, don't be surprised if you get a call when you come on the, on the clock. I'm not telling you who we're looking for, but if the draft goes a certain way.

Speaker 6 And you don't iron out details now necessarily, but you kind of, you can get into discussions on what would it take?

Speaker 6 You know, if we're sitting here, i don't just throw on a number number nine but we want to get to six like what would that take and and try to like get a parameter done so that when you're on the clock you're not starting from scratch and negotiating back and forth so a lot of teams are working that out right now i it'll be interesting i i've heard

Speaker 6 uh i've heard houston they've got they pick at three and 13.

Speaker 6 They're a wild that every GM I've talked to has says like we kind of know that the edge rushers are going one, two, whether it's Trayvon Walker, Hutchinson or hutchinson trayvon walker but at three houston could go icky iquano at offensive tackle i heard they actually like derrick stingley ahead of sauce gardner at the cornerback position they're one of a few teams i've now heard that have that that flipped and then and then they also love garrett wilson they're not taking garrett wilson at three But because they have so many picks this year, they could try to package a couple later picks to move up from like 13 to maybe,

Speaker 6 let's say, nine, right, with Seattle seattle to get ahead of the jets in washington because the jets will have a wide receiver need i i think they'll go a different position it could be cornerback offensive tackle at number four

Speaker 6 and then the jets will be sitting there at 10 with maybe like drake london sitting on the board or garrett wilson if drake london goes eight to atlanta because i think the receivers will start to come off the board at eight but then you've got 10 with the jets 11 with Washington need wide receiver.

Speaker 6 If Houston likes Wilson as much as my Intel is saying, then it wouldn't surprise me if they moved up and got in the top 10. The Chargers really want to get an offensive tackle.
Don't be surprised.

Speaker 6 They're a player or two away. Don't be surprised if they package the picks to move up.
And if like Evan Neal is still available, if it goes Icki Aquanu at three or four,

Speaker 6 and then Charles Cross goes number five, it wouldn't shock me if they tried to move up. Carolina wants an offensive tackle, but they also want picks because they don't pick.

Speaker 6 in the second or third round and they've got a bunch of needs. So that could be a team that winds up moving out of six to allow the Chargers to come in to get to get a tackle.

Speaker 1 So when you're doing all your, you know, you obviously have your own film study, but then you're talking to GMs.

Speaker 1 Is there ever, especially during draft week, is there ever a case where you talk to someone and you're like, I think this guy's just trying to get me to get some smoke out there?

Speaker 1 Like, has that happened to you? So, yeah, absolutely. So when that happens, do you...
Do you like, all right, I'm not trusting this person anymore? Are you like, okay. Totally.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So that does happen.

Speaker 6 Yeah, had a, I, I had a good friend once feed me information that was not true. And it doesn't like they're like I have friends like real friends like that I had past history like us.

Speaker 1 Whether we're going to school or working with whatever. Yeah, me and you.
We're real friends.

Speaker 6 Yeah, exactly. Right.
Text all the time.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 6 And he gave me information that the organization specifically asked him.

Speaker 6 to give to me to make to get it out there because they were trying to maneuver around and make sure that a player got picked before so the player that they wanted would get to him.

Speaker 6 And I haven't trusted them since. That was like 12 years ago.
Wow. I'm still friends with them, like friendly, and we talk, but but yeah, but I keep a list of, I have like these little note cards.

Speaker 6 I keep a list of like anything that like jumps out. You know, because most of the time you're just talking scenarios and then going through position group rankings, right?

Speaker 6 Like this is how we have them. That way I keep a list of like, all right.
you know, team X has this, team Y has these receivers, Team G has these receivers ranked in in that order.

Speaker 6 But then I also, if something really jumps out, I keep a separate sheet of like, all right, they gave me something very specific that was kind of out of character.

Speaker 6 Did this happen if like the potential was there for that situation to occur? Did it happen or did they go the exact opposite way? And that's who you learn.

Speaker 6 I mean, I know there are four guys in the league that I know, they're not going to lie to me.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 6 There are probably eight or nine other guys that I'd say they're 80 percenters, you know, it's not, not and nothing has been blatant but there are a few that i just it's good to talk ball with and get get their feel on some positions but i i know that when it comes like the last 10 days before the draft their agenda is to you use me to try to you know move the board a little bit you got a burn book

Speaker 1 i like that you should start using us so when you know that someone's lying to you you should give that to us and we will put it out because we don't care about being wrong ever right no i've that's become very clear we We, in fact, embrace it.

Speaker 1 Yes, exactly. That's actually what.

Speaker 1 Like, do you think there's a space for us in the NFL draft world where if PFT and I just specifically our only use is for teams to give us bogus stories that we then

Speaker 1 worse buzz. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Top 10 worst buzz.

Speaker 6 These are things you absolutely.

Speaker 6 Detroit is taking Malik Willis at two.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I heard that too. Yeah, I actually heard that.

Speaker 5 Actually, we should get Billy's dog to be the draft expert that puts out all the bogus takes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but we do it.

Speaker 5 Strong buzz about Malik Willis to Detroit at two.

Speaker 6 Kenny Pickett is a lock to go.

Speaker 6 Matt Rule recruited him, Temple, the whole thing. He's a lock.
I'm told it's already done. They're working on the contract.

Speaker 1 Speaking of which, we have, so we're going to run this on Wednesday. We're going to debut.
We have a new website that you should check out.

Speaker 1 It's called kenny'shands.com, and it's everything that Kenny Pickett's hands are bigger than. So I don't know if you're not much.

Speaker 1 Actually.

Speaker 2 Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd.

Speaker 1 How about a Swisher Sweet Pack? Bigger than that. A ballpark Frank, bigger than that.
A John Deere utility tractor, not bigger than that.

Speaker 1 So you can just hit the button over and over and see what his hands are bigger than. They're bigger than a lot of things.

Speaker 6 Is that when his thumbs disjointed or is that when they stretch him?

Speaker 5 He's got perfectly normal thumbs, Todd. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.
It's totally fine.

Speaker 5 He wears a glove. What else do you want?

Speaker 1 Here's why I like coming on the week of the draft to get my final word on guys. Yeah.
So, all right. So along those lines,

Speaker 1 when it comes to hand size, when it comes to loving the game, when it comes to, I don't know, 40 time, those are all tiebreakers for you, right?

Speaker 1 Or is there a specific attribute that is not a tiebreaker that is a building block?

Speaker 1 Like, because I've always assumed when you're talking about hand size, obviously you want bigger hands than smaller, but if the guy's really good, it doesn't matter as much.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, to me, a cornerback that's probably, there's no position that is driven more by numbers and specifically 40 time and arm length.

Speaker 6 I mean, that's critical because it's like, you know, a fraction of a second, it's inches.

Speaker 6 So like a cornerback with 31 and a half inch arms versus a corner with 33 and a half inch arms, it sounds ridiculous. But you take that extra two inches.
and you add it to a 439 versus a 449,

Speaker 6 like that can be the difference in like five pass breakups a year or an interception or two. Yeah.
And getting back into a play when you get out of phase.

Speaker 6 So that like that position, you weigh it more. There are some positions like you just kind of have, I've kept logs and logs and have all these analytics of what's most important.

Speaker 6 Like the short shuttle for interior offensive linemen is critical.

Speaker 1 Who would have thought? Like, right?

Speaker 6 But it's just that short area burst and like. the mirror and slide lateral ability and body control staying under control when you're trying to go full speed and then have to reverse direction.
So

Speaker 6 there are definitely things that I weigh a lot more. It's not like how, you know, height, weight, 40 time and bench press.

Speaker 6 I mean, bench press is one of the most useless things, in my opinion, in scouting.

Speaker 5 Disagree.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 it would be pretty cool to get 42 reps, though.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, how else do you know how sweet a dude is?

Speaker 6 It's the most fun. It's the most fun event at the combine.
I mean, there's like a crowd around the scouts. You got

Speaker 6 the weight coach,

Speaker 6 the trainer standing behind, screaming at the guy. All the teammates are cheering him on, punching his chest before he gets.
Like, that's fun. It's a fun event to watch.

Speaker 6 But, like, what did I learn when it stuck?

Speaker 5 Yeah, this dude's strong. He had no shit.
He played college football for three years.

Speaker 5 He's been in a weightlifting environment. Yes.

Speaker 5 We were talking the other day about comparing this draft to like players that are currently in the league.

Speaker 5 So doing the thing where you're like, if Tom Brady at his age right now was coming out of college, where would you have Tom Brady going?

Speaker 6 Ooh, that's a good one. I mean, he's going in the first, but probably

Speaker 6 a little bit later to a team that legitimately has a chance to make a title run.

Speaker 1 But does he really love it?

Speaker 6 It's wasted on the Jags and Detroit and the

Speaker 6 Jets and all those teams that are picking in the top 10 for the most part. But yeah, I could see a team that's a quarterback away or needs an upward like Tennessee.
Yeah, give me one year.

Speaker 1 Give me one year and we can win win this whole thing. What about Aaron Donald?

Speaker 6 I mean, he'd go in the first round again.

Speaker 6 I think Aaron Donald's got two, three. I mean, if he wants to, he's got three, four left in him.

Speaker 1 Yeah. At elite level.

Speaker 6 At least, you know, you're getting at least one year.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 if you're going to draft him in the first, you got to at least get, I would say, two to three out of him.

Speaker 5 Who do you have number one on your big board? Aiden Hutchinson. I mean, out of players that are currently in the NFL.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 the big. Oh, yeah.
That's actually good. Would it be Patrick Mahomes?

Speaker 5 Josh Allen?

Speaker 6 I would go Mahomes.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I tell you what, though, I'm going to get four years out of Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 6 And, you know, MVP, MVP, like,

Speaker 1 I don't know. A lot of headache, though.
A lot of headache.

Speaker 5 Aaron Rodgers goes to the Jaguars. Are they an instant contender?

Speaker 6 I don't have to coach him. I just have to draft him.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 5 If he goes to the Jaguars, are they an instant contender? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah, in that division. Yeah, they would be.
I mean, to get in the playoffs, I mean, not Super Bowl, but to get in the playoffs, they would be in that division.

Speaker 1 When you're like regrading, do you go back and regrade your own drafts? Or do you go back and look at all these drafts from the past to try to figure out, okay, what was wrong?

Speaker 1 I guess my question is,

Speaker 1 how do you decide what's a success or not? Is it years? Is it, you know, like if a guy, you draft a guy in the second round, he starts for you for four years. Is that a great pick?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 If he starts and plays at a good level, I mean, Pro Bowl is,

Speaker 6 the Pro Bowl is so watered down, but like all pros obviously are kind of the standard.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 If you get a second contract on a first round pick, you just did your job.

Speaker 6 I mean, there are different elements to that. And obviously, we're seeing a lot more trades and the wide receivers moving around and all that.

Speaker 6 But I think if you get a set, the goal is to get a player who comes in in the first round, comes in. and is giving starter quality reps year one and then becomes one of the best players on your team.

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 6 then you get sign them to a second contract. So now you've got eight, nine years out of a player.
That to me is kind of the standard that you set.

Speaker 6 And history shows if you get three quality starters out of a draft, you can replenish your roster. You know, obviously a free agent or two here and there.
But if you get

Speaker 6 fewer than three in a draft, you're in trouble.

Speaker 6 And that's why teams are so afraid.

Speaker 6 Scouting used to be like

Speaker 6 80-20 with tape versus character and durability. And now it's close to the opposite.

Speaker 6 You know, I mean, obviously you got to figure out who can play and who can't play, but so much of it is figuring out who the guy is.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 6 You know, more money, more free time, more fame than a human being has ever had. How's he going to handle that? And that's a tough.
I mean, that's why every team in the league has a psychologist.

Speaker 6 And they try to weed out some of these guys. And that's why there are some real surprises, you know, sometimes in the first round, occasionally here and there.

Speaker 6 like, wait, why didn't he go in the first round? Well, he, you know, failed a bunch of teams, psychological tests, or the medical wasn't as good. Like

Speaker 6 it's crazy. You can talk to teams like, what do you think the medical on Jameson Williams is? And one team will be like, oh, he's ahead of schedule, not worried at all.

Speaker 6 Another team would, well, we don't think we're going to have him for eight weeks in the rookie season. He's not going to be as explosive the entire rookie season.

Speaker 6 We're hoping, you know, so we've, we've bumped him down. And some teams just take players off the board and then other teams will still have him on their board.
So that's a tough read every year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's interesting. The psychology.

Speaker 5 I got one name in particular that I'm curious about. It's Kyle Hamilton because he's an awesome player.

Speaker 5 But every year, the best safeties, they tend to fall a little bit because you can make the argument that a safety isn't worth a first-round pick unless it's, you know, like an Ed Reed or a Sean Taylor type of guy, which those guys come along like once a decade.

Speaker 5 But I feel like Kyle Hamilton is one of the best players in this draft. Is there any chance that he would be worth like a top 10 pick?

Speaker 6 I think he's one of the seven best players in the draft. I do.

Speaker 6 I think he could go seven to the Giants, but I think that's when the draft starts for Kyle Hamilton.

Speaker 6 You know, the 4-5-9 didn't help him in the 40-yard dash and then running a 4-7 on some scouts watches at the pro day.

Speaker 6 That's not,

Speaker 6 it's part of the reason why he could side a little bit. Like, if you're going to take a risk on a player

Speaker 6 at that position, he better check every it better be check plus in every box, right?

Speaker 6 And so now, all right, I'm going to spend, I'm gonna spend a top five, seven pick when I could get a wide receiver, a corner, an offensive tackler, an edge rusher.

Speaker 6 I gotta know this guy is damn near perfect, right?

Speaker 6 And Kyle Hamilton on tape is damn near perfect. I love his tape.
You can play him at dime linebacker. You can play him as the overhang in the slot there.

Speaker 6 He could play, you know, single high, two high safety. He has great range versus the run, good tackler, great ball skills, plays faster than that four or five nine.
So like, to me, I love his tape.

Speaker 6 And I've heard from two different teams that made good points. Like, it's not that we don't value safety.

Speaker 6 It's that if you're going to take a safety, you better be a player or two away from making a run. Like when we're picking in the top 10, it's got to be foundation pieces.

Speaker 6 You know, like if it's not a quarterback, it's got to be an offensive tackle. You got to protect that guy behind you.
You got to get after that guy and the other team.

Speaker 6 Give me a pass rusher, whether it's interior or in the edge, typically it's edge guys.

Speaker 6 And then wide receiver you could argue has become the second most valuable position in the nfl just look at all the contracts this this offseason so and corner too so like all of those positions are there and and they can be like critical elements of what you're doing safety has become more and more important as teams have gotten bigger slot receivers and flexed out tight ends and working the middle of the field But, and with so many teams in spreads and going and going tempo, and when you're stuck, like if I have a safety that can play free safety, like moving to to strong safety, you can play dime linebacker, you can play overhang, I can stay in the same personnel and line up and just move him around rather than subbing guys in and out.

Speaker 6 But to answer your question, I think it starts at seven with the Giants, but then he gets into trouble because it's not going eight to Atlanta. That's going to be a wide receiver and that rusher.

Speaker 6 Nine, I'm told, is

Speaker 6 Davis, the big nose tackle, Jordan Davis from Georgia. Or and if it's not, it could be an offensive tackle.
10 is not going to be a safety. I would be very surprised if the Jets took him at 10.

Speaker 6 11 could be Hamilton, but I'm told they really like Chris Olave, the wide receiver from Ohio State. The commanders do.

Speaker 6 So then you get down to like 13 with Houston if they don't trade out is a possibility.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I actually, you brought up something there that's interesting. You said like one scout or a couple scouts had him timed a little bit slower.

Speaker 5 If you're scouting scouts, like who are the best scouts in the game, right? Like, who's got the best time?

Speaker 5 Who's the guy that you're like, you know, these guys rarely miss on somebody?

Speaker 6 I'll say Kevin Widow with the Ravens because he worked with me for 10 years. So

Speaker 6 that's an easy out.

Speaker 6 But, you know, I mean,

Speaker 6 it is strange, like the 40-time on thumb,

Speaker 6 like, literally, but just your instinct or catching him to take off could be like the difference between a 443 and a 439.

Speaker 6 You know, so it's just over time, but it's, but it also is amazing. Like, I've done a bunch of it.

Speaker 6 Like the more you, it's like anything, the more you do it the more it's consistent you can almost eyeball it i i can tell you within you know a tenth of a second usually like where where a guy is watching you should start doing that just by like watching watching the tape or do you have to be there in person be there in person that's cool

Speaker 6 yeah that's like a that's we play that game all the time at the combine when we're sitting there bored right like four you know we're just like there'd be like five of us like four four three four four four four four seven four four nine.

Speaker 5 Is there any guy that's been way faster than you thought he was? Some guy that looks like he's running slow. Then they show the time, you're like, holy shit.

Speaker 6 Oof, Brees Hall surprised me. You know, I knew, like, I had heard reports that he had good time speed.
He has some speed. It's buildup speed, but Brees Hall, his workout was outrageous.

Speaker 6 He could be coming out of Iowa State. I mean, almost 4,000 yards rushing, catches the ball really well.

Speaker 6 He's kind of like L'Avion Bell, but a little bit more annoying in terms of the patience, like his patience to a fault sometimes. Like, come on, let's go.

Speaker 6 But when he gets going, he breaks a lot of tackles and he does have a second gear. But I didn't think he was going to, what did he run, like a 4-3-8 or something?

Speaker 6 It was ridiculous when he ran at like 217 pounds. He's the only back.
And I think Kenneth Walker from Michigan State is a better pure runner.

Speaker 6 But I think if one back is going to go in the first round, I would say it's Brees Hall. And I think the most likely team to take him would be the Bills at 25.

Speaker 1 Ooh, I like that.

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Speaker 1 Try to let our fans sound smart on draft night. I posed this question to Daniel Jeremiah.
I'm wondering your take. What are the few teams that they just nail a position over and over?

Speaker 1 He said Steelers wide receiver, but give me another team or front office where you're like, if they pick this position, you just, you would put your life on the line that that guy's going to pan out.

Speaker 1 So that listeners of this show, when they're watching with their buddies, they'd be like, oh, there we go.

Speaker 1 You know, whatever. Texans, they just pick the cornerback.
They always get that. He's going to be good.

Speaker 6 The Bengals have been really good at wide receiver. Yep.
If you think about it over the years, like even going back to like Hushman Zada and Chad Johnson, you know,

Speaker 6 it seems like they always have a good receiver.

Speaker 6 The Patriots with like defensive front seven guys. They can't pick a receiver, running back or cornerback to save their life, you know, typically.

Speaker 6 You know, there have been a couple exceptions here and there, but anytime that they go all in on a guy in the first couple of rounds of wide receiver, running back, or corner, it's been a crapshoot.

Speaker 6 It's been way less than 50-50 hits. But usually, defensive front seven guys, they're good at it.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's a good answer, too. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Um, what about how many uh Georgia players do you think are going the first round?

Speaker 6 Oh, good question. Let's see.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 Great question. We've got

Speaker 6 Nicoby Dean is

Speaker 6 the 0.5 on this whole thing, but a Trayvon Walker,

Speaker 6 Jordan Davis. Am I missing anybody else? Let me see here.

Speaker 6 I think it's two.

Speaker 1 Stetson Bennett, if he had come out. Oh,

Speaker 6 Devontae Wyatt.

Speaker 1 Stetson Bennett.

Speaker 1 I heard that.

Speaker 6 Devontae Wyatt, defensive tackle. And then Nicoby Dean to me is a first-round pick, but I'm told by multiple teams that there's a really good chance that he's early second.

Speaker 6 He was the best linebacker in football. He was the best player on that defense.
I mean, I know he doesn't play edge rusher or defensive tackle, but Nicoby Dean's a stud, and he's still available.

Speaker 6 But then you also have like Quay Walker in the second, Channing Tyndall, the other linebacker, is going to go second or third.

Speaker 6 That group, you could make an argument that was the best defense in the history of college football.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that, yeah, they were insane. Yeah, they really were.
Um, you mentioned Olave.

Speaker 5 Is there any chance, like, just give me a percentage of just something greater than zero percent that the commanders take a quarterback?

Speaker 6 I'll give you 0.5 percent, I guess.

Speaker 1 What the fuck? You and Schefter just live to fucking twist knives in my heart. Telling you the truth.
Wake up in the morning. I hate the truth.
I don't like the truth. The truth is real.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 6 listen, it would make sense for the future, but I mean, we're talking about the commanders now, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But also, no, but

Speaker 6 all reality, who's going to be an upgrade over Carson Wentz in this class? No one.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 No one. He's great.
He's a great quarterback.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 let's go see what we can do next year. And then like next year's quarterback class is shaping up to be similar to last year.
I mean, you could have four or five first rounders. And it starts with

Speaker 6 Bryce Young from Alabama, C.J. Stroud from Ohio State.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I just think that with the position that Snyder's in right now, you've got Ron Riveri. He doesn't need to do the thing where he drafts a quarterback to try to extend himself by another season.

Speaker 5 He doesn't need to extend his contract. He knows that Snyder's probably not going to fire him now because he's too busy looking after his own ass.

Speaker 1 So I think I agree.

Speaker 5 You're probably right. I just wish that the number was greater than 0.5%.
That's all.

Speaker 5 Sorry to disappoint, but

Speaker 1 well, Todd, thank you as always.

Speaker 1 Also, I'm going to text you more. I just think it's because, you know, we, you know, we date, we work with Dave and Elio's all around.
So it feels like you're here. Your presence is always.

Speaker 6 How's it been with Elio?

Speaker 1 He's crushing it. He's just, he's the best.

Speaker 1 There's no one who does videos like he does on Twitter. And he also,

Speaker 1 something about his Twitter experience, I love so much where he, he's so like genuine and he'll retweet people who give him compliments, whether sarcastic or not.

Speaker 1 He'll like, when people are mean to him, he'll be like, I got four kids. I'm trying the best I can.
It's just, it's beautiful. It's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 6 He's been like this. I mean, I've known him since he was like 19.

Speaker 6 He's been like,

Speaker 6 I would always love having class with him. He would sit in the back of class and be like, cheat,

Speaker 1 cheat.

Speaker 6 and the teacher would be like looking around professor would cheat and then like sometimes he'd come into classroom anarchy

Speaker 6 just constant

Speaker 1 he couldn't get through a class without making a scene and he's like a 19 20 year old adult you know it's not like you're you're 13 years old in middle school yeah character issues he's never had to grow up which is which is why i love him it is that's true he's found a way a lot of us are in that same boat well todd thank you and uh good luck on thursday night you got it fellas.

Speaker 6 Take care.

Speaker 1 Give it up for Chicago.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we're going to wrap up with guys on picks. It is the NFL draft on Thursday night.
Stephen Che, our colleague,

Speaker 1 is our junior NFL draft analyst at Barstool Sports. Why are you laughing? Former senior draft analyst.
Former senior, but you've made mistakes, many mistakes. So you're a junior analyst now.

Speaker 1 For people who don't know Steven, he's been on the show before.

Speaker 1 You are obsessed with the NFL draft. How many NFL drafts have you gone to uh

Speaker 1 seven maybe six or seven yes kind of in when it was in New York now that it's uh on the road and now that I'm doing stuff here I don't go anymore but I went from everyone from 2005 through 2012 what's your favorite draft memory

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 my favorite draft memory uh

Speaker 1 the first

Speaker 1 can I rephrase yeah when is the time that you knew that you were in love with the NFL draft when I showed so how they I don't know how they do it now how they used to do it was you would show up in New York City.

Speaker 1 It was at, I went to the one at the Javits Center, and then it was at Radio City for a long time. You'd show up the night before.
So you'd take the day off from work?

Speaker 1 No, so I would go, I mean, it used to be on Saturday. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Friday night, right after work, put your football jersey on. Football hasn't been on for two, three months.

Speaker 1 You'd wait in line with hundreds, almost thousands of other fans in football jerseys.

Speaker 5 Upper three figures. Yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, I've seen this scene because

Speaker 1 all the famous fans are there. Oh, yeah.
When I was in Chicago, I went to the guy with the hat, the Raiders guy. Yep.

Speaker 5 So you camp out like it's Black Friday.

Speaker 1 Yes. And then you used to wait online until

Speaker 1 inline. No, it's just a dumb internet argument.
It's a New York thing. It's something stupid.
Whatever. I don't care.
Yeah, no, you can say whatever you want. You can literally say whatever you want.

Speaker 1 I don't care. When you're

Speaker 5 on Long Island, you say inline. And when you're in Long Island, you say online.

Speaker 1 I went to college in Long Island, which was some of the time ran a 4440 no big deal correct hand-timed so unofficial and I don't have a two-point stance but still happy Billy looks like he's gonna puke all right keep going

Speaker 1 so you'd just be talking with all these like super fans about your team needs and be like oh you're next to a up airs fan oh like you know how are you guys feeling about this season or whatever everyone every single person has like uh

Speaker 1 an NFL magazine like a draft magazine that's like very outdated and just going off of this and just saying about how they really this player, this player, and that is the episode.

Speaker 1 And then this would go on for about 12 hours. So you wouldn't really give the tickets.
So you wouldn't sleep.

Speaker 1 I would, like, the morning of. They usually gave up the wristbands around 4 to 7 a.m.
And then you go home and then come back.

Speaker 1 Now, when you're in line or online, would there be like any celebrities that like if Mel Kuiper walks by as everyone's like, holy fuck, Mel Kuiper?

Speaker 1 Not at that time because that's just like all those people already have in. The first year I went, Golik came online.
The next day, when we were in line to get into the which, which Golik? Michael.

Speaker 1 Senior, senior. Senior, senior, senior, senior.
This was 2005. Okay.

Speaker 1 But yeah, just

Speaker 1 what happened there? You just saw him? He actually came over and talked to me. Really? Out of like all the people.

Speaker 1 He knew that you, he's got an eye for talent. He said, kicked you out.
He said, you know what?

Speaker 5 This is a special boy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. This guy.
I was a huge Mike and Mike. I'm more of a greenie guy.
Do you think that he was, it was kind of a make-a-wish thing where he was like, oh, this little kid, I'm going to.

Speaker 1 And he's like a Steven, a 22-year-old Steven Che.

Speaker 5 No, he just recognized it. He saw the twinkle in this young man's eye and said, this guy, this guy watches ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's going to someday be the junior draft analyst at Parstool Sports. I mean, it was 2005.
I was wearing Bucksters. We had the fifth pick.
He came out and asked me some Bucks stuff.

Speaker 5 Are you a guy that would ever boo your team at the draft?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 You're going there to support your team. That's a disgusting question.

Speaker 5 I mean, you see the Jets fans do it. I love that.
That's maybe my favorite part of the draft because when Jets and Eagles fans

Speaker 1 the future.

Speaker 1 But there's something that's so beautiful to me about uh how abused a fan base can be where they immediately boo their own future yeah that's true no it is great but Steven would never I wouldn't but on the flip side of that it is extremely exciting and it's kind of like diminished now with like the leaking of picks but like I guess one of my favorite memories would be

Speaker 1 was it 2009 when the Jets took Sanchez

Speaker 1 and they traded up and it was a big thing and you know you don't know what's happening. And then, you know, Tag Liby or Goodell come out.

Speaker 1 Or Goodell would come out and be like, all right, there's been a trade, and nobody has the information yet. So then they cut to Mark Sanchez, like in the green room, and everybody's

Speaker 1 going crazy around him. And then, you know, you see the Jets are on the clock and they're about to take the drama.
That is the ultimate.

Speaker 1 Draft moment. Now, you wouldn't boo, but you would cry because you did cry when the Bucs picked Devin White, number five overall, and then he became a stalwart of a championship defense.

Speaker 1 But you did cry. We were sitting next to you.
Didn't cry. Didn't cry.

Speaker 1 You cried a little bit. I was pretty upset.

Speaker 1 The guy won in a position of need, the top guy who wasn't expected to fall to number five, Josh Allen, not the quarterback Josh Allen, the edge rusher from Kentucky, fell, and he's right there.

Speaker 1 It seemed like a layup pick. So do you want to apologize to Devin White?

Speaker 1 Oh, you'd still rather have Josh Allen. No, no, no.
Devin White's been awesome. I mean, he helped win a Super Bowl.
He was incredible last postseason. So you can apologize to him?

Speaker 1 Like, that's the biggest day of his life. And he goes on the internet and he sees Stephen Che in a Bucks jersey crying because he's like, this guy stinks.
It wasn't true.

Speaker 1 I issued a statement shortly after to congratulate him and welcome to the team. Yeah, but

Speaker 5 how many people saw that statement as opposed to the initial reaction?

Speaker 1 Right. That's a fair point.
Yep. Yep, it is a fair point.

Speaker 5 Why didn't you delete the original post?

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Did I even post it? I don't know. You probably posted it.
I think I probably did. I think Big Cat would think it was a good idea.

Speaker 5 Why didn't you ask Big Cat to delete his post?

Speaker 1 I would never. Journalist integrity.
Yeah. Fun fact.
I also gave Devin White. It's not going to be a fun fact, by the way.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I gave Devin White.

Speaker 1 I literally don't care what he gave Devin White. This is actually very specific.

Speaker 5 You could have given him AIDS, and I would be like, no.

Speaker 1 What was your fun fact yesterday? You had a fun fact yesterday that was like the... Oh, it was just a coincidence.
Yeah, it was the opposite of fun. It was.
All right, so go ahead. Fun fact.

Speaker 1 That's not going to be fun. Devin White was going to wear number 41.
And I almost never DM athletes any specific things.

Speaker 5 You're like, you should honor our president by wearing number 45.

Speaker 1 No, so he said he wanted to wear number 40 because that that was his number at lsu but he came out for a photo shoot in number 41 and uh he wanted to wear mike all stopped's number but it's retired so he couldn't so he just picked 41 and i wrote him a message i was like hey his hashtag in uh college was get live40.

Speaker 1 cool so i messaged him i was like hey 41 like that's all right but i was like 45 is available if it's a linebacker number two what about get live 45 he changed his number that day and the next shoot you were the guy okay i was wrong That was fun fact.

Speaker 1 That was pretty frequent.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 if his number goes up in the ring of honor one day with the Bucks,

Speaker 1 part of me. Stephen Che did it.
A very small part of me will be the first one.

Speaker 1 Just the five. You're the guy behind the guy.
Yeah. Yeah.
Which is actually more important than being the guy. And he wrote back to the DM with a bunch of question mark.

Speaker 1 No, you get full credit.

Speaker 1 I've heard enough. So maybe someday he goes into Canton.
I would think he would. Maybe you would give him.

Speaker 1 I would almost rather the Bucs Ring of Honor because that's because

Speaker 1 that's bigger than me. I'm in that stadium forever.
You know, Bucks Ring of Honor always supersedes the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 5 The five is your number being retired.

Speaker 1 That's true. As a fan.
That's true.

Speaker 5 Who would you say is the best super fan?

Speaker 1 Of the Bucks or any team? Of the Bucks. Buck Nasty.
He's in the fan hall of fame. Yeah.
He's the guy with the

Speaker 1 pop horn on the helmet. Is it Bucks Ring of Honor, Fan Hall of Fame, Pro Football Hall of Fame? I mean, it's different.
I mean, I could be a fan that's in the Bucks Ring of Honor.

Speaker 5 You could also be a fan that's in with the Pro Football Hall of Fame, too.

Speaker 1 Now, do you think they'll ever

Speaker 5 fan section?

Speaker 1 Like, forget the Devin White part. Do you think they'll ever just put Steven Che in the Bucks Ring of Honor? I'm not ruling it out.
Yep. I knew that would be your answer.
All right. Okay.

Speaker 1 Let's do some questions.

Speaker 5 Before we get to the guys on picks, I had a question for you because we talked about it very briefly on Monday's show.

Speaker 5 But I'm challenging DK Metcalf to a decathlon, and I was wondering, is there any chance, what do you know about the five-yard dash? It's an event that I invented.

Speaker 1 There's a 40-yard dash and you can take like the 10-yard split from that, which is

Speaker 1 because I've never heard anyone doing the five.

Speaker 5 A five-yard dash.

Speaker 5 Is it advantageous to have long legs when you're running? I would think so, right?

Speaker 1 Because you can basically do that in one bound.

Speaker 1 So once you get out of your stance, you take one, and he's, what, six, four?

Speaker 5 What if I get off to a real good start, though?

Speaker 1 I mean, you're going against like a world-class athlete, so I think it would be tough to... And a guy who has a track background, so I figure he's not going to have a...

Speaker 1 Even if you have an incredible start, you're probably at best even with him. Okay, all right, cool.

Speaker 5 So, I can tie him. Got it.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 That's all I need. I mean, you beat him in a race already, so I don't know.
Okay,

Speaker 1 I used to challenge people to short 10 10-yard swims, uh, swimming race because I do think I could beat a lot of people in that, but that's a little bit different than a dash because that's more like your push-off and everything.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think I could take him five yards, I really do. I got great get-off, Steven.

Speaker 1 I mean, if you got a good get-off, yeah.

Speaker 1 Um, okay, should we do the picks or the questions about the picks, guys Guys on picks.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 Are you going to get into serious Steven Che voice?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Actually, I shouldn't have said anything. You will, but I'm looking forward to this.
Okay, go ahead. Everyone note the difference in Steven's tone when we start talking about it.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what type of questions to expect because I obviously

Speaker 1 multiple-time AWL and listen to the show, obviously. So is it going to be actual serious draft questions?

Speaker 1 If you could suck off any of the prospects in this year's draft, who would it be?

Speaker 1 Wait, you're going to actually answer this. Okay, go ahead.
Oh, I thought that was a question.

Speaker 1 There's no brain quite like yours. All right, Jake, go ahead.
All right. What's up, Box Muncher Che?

Speaker 1 True. Che is Junior Soprano around these walls.
Is there the greatest pussy eater we've ever met? Pleasure or woman? Is there

Speaker 1 QB who you think can actually make a difference if he starts right away? Also, thank you for the data. Ah, you're welcome.

Speaker 1 Follow at Trusted Data for all my gambling picks. And I'll have NFL draft props out tomorrow.
Love it.

Speaker 1 Quarterback that can start right away. Kenny Pickett from Pitt is like the most pro-ready guy.
I kind of like Desmond Ritter out of Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 Talk to us about Desmond Ritter. Cincinnati, his NFL comp is like Marcus Mariotis.
It's not like great. We have to take into account that the draft this year is watered down.

Speaker 1 Typically, there's like 18 to 24 players universally that all GMs agree are like first-round picks. These guys are guys.
This year, it's like I've heard like 12 to 16, which is like bad.

Speaker 1 Has that hurt you personally? I mean, it sucks because you want something to look forward to. What is kind of cool is like, you know, we're taping this on what day is today? Tuesday,

Speaker 1 oh, Tuesday at 12.15. Like, we don't know who the first pick's going to be.
Like, right, there is cool. Yeah, you're right.
There is some intrigue around that.

Speaker 1 And I'm sure the NFL is trying to keep that quiet and stuff like that. But like, betting lines are changing like crazy.
Like, right now, as we tape, Trayvon Walker is the favorite to go number one.

Speaker 1 A month ago, he was 30 to 1 to go number one. He hasn't played any games since then.
So what exactly has changed? But as far as the quarterbacks,

Speaker 1 yeah, like ideally, you're going to have like a guy who's going to be

Speaker 1 Joe Burrow.

Speaker 1 There was, you know, he was the number one pick, but like the tank for two, like, kind of like people that are going to be like, all right, no doubt, Slam Dunk, number one, he's where the game is going, but that's not the case this year.

Speaker 1 And we're... Seeing like Malik Willis's line, like he was, you know, favored to go in the top 10 as of like two days ago, and now he's sliding down it.

Speaker 1 He might not go in the top 12 to 15, and that could be interesting.

Speaker 5 So what, in your expert opinion, is the reason why this draft is so bad? Why are college football players shit compared to two years ago?

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't think there's necessarily like they're much worse. It's just like...
There isn't a guy like next year with the edge restaurant, Alabama Will Anderson.

Speaker 1 He's a guy that people are looking forward to, even though he's not the premier, like quarterback position.

Speaker 1 But you just don't have a guy that like took over a college football.

Speaker 1 Like if we look at mock drafts from like a year ago, they're like way too early ones, like Sam Howell was a projected number on overall pick, and he's not going to be a first-rounder.

Speaker 5 Can I coach up a little bit on that? That's more a test of how strong your take game is. The answer is: name, image, and likeness made college kids not want to play sports as hard anymore.

Speaker 5 So they're not working out. That's why this draft is bad.

Speaker 1 But I mean, like, next year's draft is probably going to be pretty good. Like, we already got like a blue, but like, it changes.
Like, it'd be terrible. Have you thought at all about like the 2041?

Speaker 1 No, 20, yeah 20 2040 and 2041 drafts and what the impact of covid with births in america is going to do those draft classes with births in america births they're going to have births it's all the covid sperm yeah no there's less no no there's there was less childbirth in like 2021.

Speaker 1 have you thought about that i didn't even know that no so no team should probably start getting their ducks in a row scholarships are going to be down yeah i mean we got to focus on winning the day we can't really think about 20 years with them down the road uh yeah give me one bust.

Speaker 5 Who's going to be a bust this year?

Speaker 1 It's always hard to say actually.

Speaker 5 I'm not sure he had Devontae Smith. This is going to be awesome because

Speaker 5 I'm not able to follow you this entire year.

Speaker 1 And anytime this player does anything good, last year he had Devontae Smith does not have an NFL body bust.

Speaker 1 No, my tweet started out during the national championship game with, I think Devontae Smith will be a great pro, but I can't see a team picking him in the top 10. Torching, torching Ohio State.
Okay.

Speaker 1 He got picked 10th. He wouldn't have gotten picked 10th.

Speaker 1 He did. No, no.
He got picked top 10th. Top 10.

Speaker 1 A team trade. It was a fact.

Speaker 1 It was a bad take. That's a fact.
It was very close to being an incredible take. But it wasn't.
I think it was.

Speaker 5 It was a bad take. I respect the take.
I respect that you said it, no matter how wrong it was. So who's your bust this year? Stephen Chase's guaranteed bust of the 2022 NFL draft.

Speaker 1 It's hard because, like, I want to say Trayvon Walker. Just because, like, I'm a traits over production guy, and that's what the whole draft is about.
You don't have to have incredible.

Speaker 1 That's how you got led to Devontae Smith being a bust. Traits over production.
That's literally how it happened.

Speaker 1 He had a Heisman trophy year, but his legs were skinny. I mean,

Speaker 1 there were rumors that he was playing at like 155 pounds. Oh, I know.
Rumors. There were whispers.
Keep going, Trayvon Walker. Yeah.
So, I mean, he has everything you want. He's 6'6.
He's 270 pounds.

Speaker 1 You're on a 4'5. Like, great.
Super long arms, 35 and a half and a half inch arms. Like, we haven't seen it on the field.
He played on a loaded defense.

Speaker 1 You think if you're playing on a loaded defense, you're going to have a lot more single, you know, single rush opportunities. You're going to make a difference.

Speaker 1 He had six sacks, seven and a half tackles for a loss. He didn't have a single game with like more than one sec.
Like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 Like, Duke Manyweather, who's like a great offensive line guy, put out just a ton of cutups this morning on Evan Neal, just who's a left tackle for Alabama versus Trayvon Walker and just absolutely dominating him.

Speaker 1 So it's like, why are we valuing this guy who on an incredible defense?

Speaker 1 Like if he's on a no-name, like he wouldn't stand out, but like he's on an incredible defense, he should have the opportunity to eat, and he is not doing that consistently. But traits.

Speaker 5 Wait, you're the traits guy. Yeah, you just made a strong argument.

Speaker 1 You need to have some production. You need to have some production.
He did not. Like, he just didn't.
So what are we looking for? He's not refined. He's not like a technician.
He's a freak athlete.

Speaker 1 That's cool. But like, not a lot of those guys, when you get to the league where everyone is a freak athlete, like, succeed.
So I would say if I would pick one bust, it would be him.

Speaker 1 The other flag that I would have, and there's a lot of smoke around this guy is Kayvon Thibodeau. He was the projected number one pick going into, you know, early in the year.

Speaker 1 He's fallen off a little bit.

Speaker 1 And I love hearing these. I don't love hearing these, but they're always interesting to hear these like red flags around guys.
Like, does he love football? Football, yeah.

Speaker 1 This guy has like a ton of outside interest. He started his own cryptocurrency.
So, all right, here's a hypothetical.

Speaker 1 If we could just, if science was so advanced, we could take Stephen Shea's brain and put it into Kayvon Thibodeau's body, would he he be the number one pick Kayvon Thibodeau doesn't have the idea but Trayvon Walker no no no no but your your brain like your love of football

Speaker 1 oh I see what you're saying um

Speaker 1 he'd be the greatest player of all time I mean yeah he'd be extremely dedicated to his craft he'd have very little outside interest and just focus

Speaker 1 what are you gonna say Billy what are your thoughts on Malik Willis Okay, I like him.

Speaker 9 I just want to hear what you think about him. Where do you think he's going?

Speaker 1 All the stuff. Sure.
So he's not ready right now. Like,

Speaker 1 people, you know, the immediate thing is like, he went to Liberty. Like, he was at Auburn.
He transferred.

Speaker 1 He's not ready. I know, like, Dan Orlowski, like, loves him, and, like, he does have, like, a lot of fans, and he's getting a lot of, like, top 10, top 15 grades from like NFL GMs.
But...

Speaker 1 Again, we're talking about a watered-down class. If we're talking about him in like a good year of quarterbacks and regular draft picks, he's like a borderline, like, first-round guy.

Speaker 1 I definitely think he's a first-round player, and he probably has the most upside of any quarterback in this draft. He's not tall.
He's like around six feet, but he is like a thick boy.

Speaker 1 Like he's, you know, 220. So he can sustain hits.
He's very mobile. He's got a very strong arm, but like you win games from like in the pocket and he is still refining that.

Speaker 1 That's not to say he's not going to be a very good player because there are a lot of very good guys like that can succeed at the NFL like that, but like he needs a lot of seasoning.

Speaker 5 What about Pete Prisco's take that he's a running back?

Speaker 1 Can you just say that he's a running back so we can clip it for social and then he'll post it on his accounts? He has good size for a running back. Yeah, thick boy.
Yeah, he is a thick boy. Okay.

Speaker 1 Next one, Jake. Good answer, Stephen.
Thank you. Just kind of nose ball.
Sup, senior draft analyst, Steven. That's wrong.
Daddy Cats. Oh, actually, no, that's correct.
We offered him the...

Speaker 1 He could either be junior draft analyst or senior draft analyst. Not kind of choose.
Senior.

Speaker 1 You already picked junior.

Speaker 5 I think on this show, I don't think that you have the eligibility for that title.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're junior. Fine.
Okay.

Speaker 5 I've never promoted you on this.

Speaker 1 Short King, PFT, Honks, William, Nicotine, Addict, Jake.

Speaker 1 My team doesn't have a first-round pick this year, and even though we traded away our first-round pick and got a great quarterback out of it, I'm a little bummed. We won't be on the clock.

Speaker 1 What's the best way to spend my Thursday to help fill that void? Now,

Speaker 1 I don't know if we're ready to say Justin Fields is great yet. Yeah, that was ambitious.
But it could be another team. Was there any other teams that traded away their first pick last year?

Speaker 5 The Bears were the only ones that popped into my mind. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We traded our first-round pick last year for Justin Fields.

Speaker 1 Denver traded their first-round pick for Russell Wilson. Oh, okay.
Yeah, that could be it. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right. So that was.
All right. So that could, it probably is Denver.

Speaker 5 Your brain has

Speaker 1 like, wait, it's infected mine. I was like, Justin Fields.
I'm like, I like him, but is he great yet? I don't think he's a good guy.

Speaker 5 I think he's a nice guy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He's working towards great.

Speaker 5 He's getting better.

Speaker 1 He's striving every day towards great.

Speaker 5 He's getting better at taking pictures with fans.

Speaker 1 All right. So

Speaker 1 repeat the question. We got sidetracked.

Speaker 1 What do they get excited about? Is that what it was? Yeah, pretty much. For Thursday.

Speaker 1 I forget who said the song with the Dolphins organization. It was like, I'm just going to watch Tyree Hill highlights all night.
It's like, that's what you do. Because that's what your pick was for.

Speaker 1 So yeah, it's less exciting, but think about it in a positive way. Like, you dealt a first-round pick in a very watered-down challenge.
Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 That's what I'm going with.

Speaker 1 The Bears were very smart. Yeah.
There's like maybe five first-round talents in this entire draft. Maybe.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, there's three times that probably, but that's still a very low number.
Yeah, it's low. It's half.
Yeah. Less than half.
They're all made up numbers. Less than half.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's the thing I don't really understand. They're definitely not made up numbers.
Yes, they are. That's the thing I don't know.
Someone made them up.

Speaker 5 I don't really understand, Steven, how that works. Where it's like, well, there are only 15 first-round grades in this draft compared to like other drafts.

Speaker 5 Aren't you just graded based on who you're playing with, like your peers? How do you say

Speaker 5 that a different draft class has higher grades? How do you do any sort of like accurate comparison to know that? Because they're just they just play against who they play against in college, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I mean, you're scouting the individual players, their traits, how you think they'll translate to the next level.

Speaker 1 So, like, how that's determined, like, you're obviously going to grade each player based on your grading system, which teams have different grading systems.

Speaker 1 Like, it could be a one-time scale, it could be a one-to-one scale.

Speaker 5 Why would you ever go one to seven?

Speaker 1 Or one to nine?

Speaker 1 Pretty common. Really?

Speaker 5 Why don't you just do one to ten?

Speaker 1 What was Devin White?

Speaker 1 I mean, it depends on the team. Who's the highest you've ever seen?

Speaker 1 Miles Garrett was very high. Like, I don't know.
Like, nobody gets a nine, but like, you know, if he's on a one to nine scale, probably like an 8.3, like something like that.

Speaker 1 Like, that's like a weird scale. Yeah, why don't you just get 10? I don't get it.
I don't know. Like, they're associated with different

Speaker 1 adjectives. Is that?

Speaker 1 Okay, like the spider chart. Yeah, so it'll be like solid, good, very good,

Speaker 1 elite,

Speaker 1 Pro Bowl, whatever. Wait, what's higher, Pro Bowl or elite?

Speaker 1 I don't know what the one

Speaker 1 of honor, what the one to nine scale was, but the one to seven scale that I use was like...

Speaker 1 Also, if every team had as the top thing, Bucks Ring of Honor.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, but yeah, teams grade each player differently.

Speaker 1 But as far as like how... we get to like that number of like 15 or whatever, surveys are sent out to GMs who then fill out like where they roughly think will go.

Speaker 1 So like universally, there are like roughly 15 guys where everyone agrees this guy's a first rounder.

Speaker 5 That's what that means. Most of a GM's time around the draft is spent just doing like

Speaker 5 meaningless, tedious paperwork and bullshit.

Speaker 5 Like, why would you, why, why do they fill out this like survey and then send it back?

Speaker 1 I mean, they want to get this info too, right? Like they want to double check, like, okay, am I crazy for thinking like this guy, like,

Speaker 1 you know, Daniel Jeremiah, you got, who you guys just had on. Like, he's a big fan of like Nick Benito, who's an edge rusher from Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 But, like, a lot of guys don't even have it, like, a day too great on him. Wow.

Speaker 1 So, is he a guy? Like, it's a sanity check. Like, DJ has him in his top 50.

Speaker 1 So, like, is this, am I crazy for thinking this guy, you know, because he has like a really good, like, pass-rush win percentage and his measurables are really good.

Speaker 1 Like, is he really not a top 50 guy?

Speaker 1 So, um, I think that's what's going on right now when you hear the term like groupthink thrown out a lot with the combine because a lot of a lot of these scouts and like GMs and like personnel guys, they're all friends, right?

Speaker 1 So they're all competing.

Speaker 1 But you do have people that like share information. So you want to hear, like, okay, I think this guy's good.
Do you think he's good?

Speaker 1 Like, what do you think about how he'll translate to the next level? That type of stuff. So a lot of that's kind of going around in this week as lying season.

Speaker 1 So like people are trying to throw each other off sense, but that's my favorite type of season.

Speaker 5 Is there any draft analyst out there that like what they say is gold? Like word is bond. And then there is, is there somebody out there that you're always suspicious?

Speaker 5 You're like, that guy's a smokescreen for one of the GMs. GMs.

Speaker 1 Oh, as far as like being a talking head for someone? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Who's in whose pocket here?

Speaker 1 I mean, there is like one guy, but it's also very close to home. So like it's noted that like

Speaker 1 Dave Portnoy, like Todd McShea and Joe Douglas are all very good friends. Dave doesn't care about the draft.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 Joe Douglas is his friend, but he's the Jets GM and Dave is

Speaker 1 like McShea could put out some like potential like practice. McShay's talked about it before.
He's

Speaker 1 not good about it. He doesn't die.

Speaker 1 Certainly a conflict of interest. You would never do that, though.

Speaker 1 I mean, I carry the water from my team.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 that would be an understatement. All right, let's do two more.
Two more. All right.
Hey, Steven, big fan of you and the data. Thank you.
I'm a Seahawks fan, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 And aside from QB, I would love an edge rusher. Xander Lenard out of Florida State is a guy I have my eye on for the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 He's a big 6'2, 290, was insanely productive before taking a COVID year off.

Speaker 1 He bounced back with five sacks, and even though he got moved inside, does him getting moved around affect the stock negatively or positively? This is a fake guy.

Speaker 5 You got it. Steven sniffed it out.

Speaker 1 Dude, he would never. Wow.
This would never. Like this person thinking he can get Steven.
Steven is fucking on top of this shit. Good job.
Sandra Lennard. Yeah.
Come on. Good job.

Speaker 1 He's my name. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I was testing you.

Speaker 1 I was really impressive. I mean, there's no way Steven's going to get got.

Speaker 5 Steven, he didn't even take a breath. He was just like, that's bullshit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That was good. He knows it.
He knows the big board. Thank you.
Very impressive.

Speaker 5 Sandra Lennard sounds like an awesome player, though. Just the name, you have to admit.

Speaker 1 That is a cool creative player name. Seahawks are an interesting team at nine.
Like, what are they going to, like, they have a ton. Like, are you trying Drew Locke out there as a story?

Speaker 1 They're a low, they're like a sneaky team for a quarter, but I don't think they're going to take one at nine. Like, they haven't re-signed Dwayne Brown.

Speaker 1 Like, they have tackle needs, they have edge needs, they have like a ton of needs. So I'm interested to see what they do.
And they also don't have a lot of picks. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I feel like everyone's trying to trade back this year. It's going to be like 10 teams trying to trade back.
Nobody. You're probably going to be able to get a good deal in terms of trading up, though.

Speaker 1 Potentially. It depends like where the runs go because there's going to be like a runner receivers.

Speaker 1 Like once either Malik Willis or Kenny Pickett go, you got to be nervous if you're a team that has a quarterback needy team that has the other guy high.

Speaker 1 But yeah, speaking about trading back, you're looking for future assets because

Speaker 1 technically a dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow, but next year's draft is so much better than this year's. You're going to want to load it for assets for the year.

Speaker 1 What's your one bold prediction that you have? Like last year devontae smith won't be a top 10 pick um it was wrong

Speaker 1 uh

Speaker 1 as far as draft night or like how these players will be no draft night like like uh like i see this guy going earlier than everyone else does or later

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 uh there's some medical things with linebackers right now so

Speaker 1 I would say Nicobi Dean, who's probably the most productive player on Georgia's defense, the linebacker, is not going to get drafted in the first round. Oh, okay, that's a good idea.

Speaker 1 And he won't even be the first Georgia linebacker drafted. Quay Walker is

Speaker 1 from what I'm hearing, like kind of a lock to be drafted in the first round. He's a big, he had production, but he's definitely traits over production guy.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that's pretty because I think most people would say Nicobi Dean was the better player. Correct.

Speaker 1 So you're going out on a limb, Quay Walker, before Nicoby Dean. I like it.
Yeah. I like it.
All right. Last question.
Last question. What will be mentioned more by ESPN?

Speaker 1 Family deaths or drug abuse and homelessness? Hmm.

Speaker 1 How about what? can I help you with this? Sure.

Speaker 1 How about don't even know because we're going to be watching the NFL draft show hosted by Steven Che. Yep.
And Brandon Walker and Roan. And it's going to be incredible.

Speaker 1 Deion's going to be there. Dion's going to be there.

Speaker 1 A bunch of people.

Speaker 5 Are you guys going to be doing any sort of those sob stories behind any draft page? You should

Speaker 1 have one. You'll probably get one.
Yeah, Roan will probably get one.

Speaker 1 Ron does a really good job with the fact checks. Yeah, he does.

Speaker 1 We'll have a lot of stuff. It's always one of my favorite events of the year.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? The draft? Well, like like the show. But yes, yes, yes.
No, it is very exciting.

Speaker 1 Steven, there's no one who loves anything more than Stephen Shea loves the draft.

Speaker 1 He starts, the Bucs have been good, obviously, the last couple of years, but before that, he would start talking about the draft. Halloween.
Like, yeah, like week eight.

Speaker 1 He'd just be like, yeah, well, the Bucs, listen, now they got a nice pick coming up. Things are going to start locking into place.
Well, I deal in the currency of hope.

Speaker 1 And once your team sucks, and it's very obvious they suck, you need to shift to the draft. Believe something is going to turn it around.

Speaker 1 And if losing helps that cause, which it does if you're getting a better draft pick, then it's like, okay, let me start believing in getting ahead of the process.

Speaker 5 Now, are you still doing the TB12 method? Because Tom Brady came back. You're doing that all year round, right?

Speaker 1 Correct. Through January 31st, 2023.
Except birthdays. Except family birthdays.
Family birthdays.

Speaker 5 What about pussies? Pussy on the TB12.

Speaker 1 That is on the TB12. Approved.
Yes. Approved as well.
Do you want to do it for free?

Speaker 5 Do you want to drop the link for the instructional video that changed your life?

Speaker 1 So I haven't, I mean, I watched it.

Speaker 5 No, this is serious. For all the male and lesbian AWLs out there that might be looking to educate yourself, a lot of time guys don't know about that stuff.

Speaker 5 Steven's got a very important video that you should watch.

Speaker 1 I watched the tape. Yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 1 when I watched it like... 15 years ago, it was on X Videos.
I don't know if it's on that site anymore. I don't use that site anymore.

Speaker 1 This is literally a scene from American Pie where he's like watching the tornado. Yeah, in his room, like spell the alphabet.
How do I eat? Well, that's the thing. Like, what they tell you.

Speaker 1 I don't want to do this. No, I do.

Speaker 1 I've done it many times with him, and it's bad. Yeah, so

Speaker 1 what the common way you'll see an adult film.

Speaker 5 Oh, oh, no, I don't want you to explain that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, that's what he was going to do. That's what he was going to do.

Speaker 5 I wanted to just say, what's the name of the video in case other people want to know?

Speaker 1 I don't know what the name is. Yeah, that's what he was going to do.

Speaker 1 He was going to teach us how to eat pussy. Yeah.
That's why I said I don't want to do this. I just want to stop people from painting the fence.
And that's what most people are doing. Paint the fence.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I said we should remake.

Speaker 5 Targeted precision attack.

Speaker 1 We should remake the Irishman with Stephen Shea being like, I didn't know you

Speaker 1 painted fences. He's just eating pussy across America.

Speaker 5 Who's going to get mouth cancer first? Stephen Shea from all the HPV or Jake Dippick?

Speaker 1 Jake, definitely. Easily.
Easily.

Speaker 1 Last thing, Stephen, numbers, but also prediction for the Bucs this season.

Speaker 1 Their record? Yeah. Super Bowl? Yes.
Super Bowl winner. Yes.
Okay. Absolutely.
They better.

Speaker 5 Hardy here first.

Speaker 1 Does Tom Brady really love football?

Speaker 5 He's all about crypto, his side businesses.

Speaker 1 I got a red flag on that. That's a fair point.
Tom Brady will retire if he wins the Super Bowl. That's fine.
Yeah. That's cool.
I think we all

Speaker 5 would you rather have you guys not win a Super Bowl this year and win one next year and then Tom Brady retires or Tom Brady wins one this year then he retires

Speaker 1 uh I think you definitely take next year year, right?

Speaker 1 Because then you get two more years. Yeah, but like, it doesn't matter how many years it's about winning.
Right. I would rather you can.
You'd still win.

Speaker 5 You'd still get that win, but you'd also have a year where you didn't win in between.

Speaker 1 But you'd get Tom Brady for two more years. So you wouldn't be irrelevant for matters, right? Well, you specifically, it matters a lot because your relevancy as a human being is relying on Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't go that far. Oh, no, that's factually, that is absolutely true.

Speaker 5 I would say more so JPP than Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 We already signed him.

Speaker 1 And he posted an Instagram story. He was like, Buy Tampa.
Oh, no.

Speaker 1 JP.

Speaker 5 JPP. No, you can't say that anymore.

Speaker 1 You know who he did bring back.

Speaker 1 Giovanni Bernard. Oh, God.
All right, numbers. 22.

Speaker 5 Hank picks six.

Speaker 1 25.

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Speaker 9 70 minus one. Steven?

Speaker 1 Let's go. Super Bowl 57.

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Get under there.

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It's coming. It's coming.
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Speaker 1 63.

Speaker 1 All right. Steven, thank you so much.
We appreciate you. Thank you.

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