NFL Draft Recap, American Hero Carli Lloyd And Fyre Fest of The Week

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We're going to recap the entire draft. A bunch of trades,

Speaker 1 chaos, teams moving up and down, big players getting traded. AJ Brown, tons of stuff happening.
We also have a great interview with American hero, Carly Lloyd.

Speaker 1 So in studio, Carly Lloyd talking to us about being an American hero of the U.S. women's national team, her future plans as an owner of a soccer team.
Great interview with her.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk a little NBA because we had some series close out. Two of them, actually, could be three of them.
We were taping this before the Mavs game, but a great, great show.

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Speaker 1 And holy shit, my head is spinning because what was supposed to be a boring NFL draft was chaos.

Speaker 5 Hey, big cat, guess what? NBA playoffs were on tonight, but the NFL? The NFL is king. King.

Speaker 1 It was crazy. We're going to, so I texted everyone before, like, we should try to go somewhat in order because that's how chaotic it was.

Speaker 1 Like, usually we can jump, jump around, like, oh, this quarterback, this quarterback. No, it was just chaos.
And it started with the fact that it's in Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 And I had the thought, I guess it didn't register with me until I saw it like an hour before the draft started.

Speaker 1 And I was like, holy shit, could you imagine being drafted in Las Vegas, making generational wealth like the biggest night of your life? And then you get to go party in Las Vegas.

Speaker 1 Everyone who got drafted in Cleveland or Chicago or like, you know, next year, I think Kansas City, sorry, you missed out because getting drafted in Vegas has got to be the greatest thing in the world.

Speaker 5 But Cat, they have a casino in Cleveland, too.

Speaker 1 That's true. That's true.
They got one in Hammond, Indiana, not too far from Chicago, too.

Speaker 1 But that, I mean, could you imagine showing up and being like, all right, this is going to be the greatest night of my life? Oh, and then we get to go party in Vegas?

Speaker 5 Well, yeah, so the thing is, I think a lot of these guys, they get loans taken out on the fact that they're going to be drafted.

Speaker 1 But they've already made ads.

Speaker 5 There are companies that can do that.

Speaker 5 They'll float you some money if you're going to be drafted for sure.

Speaker 1 A lot of them have beats by directing.

Speaker 1 They have a bunch of different ads.

Speaker 5 If you're the type of player that's going to be in Las Vegas for the draft, you probably have some money in your pocket. I would, personally, that might be the best night of your life.
Ever.

Speaker 5 Like, it's all downhill from there. Like, if you're just being 21 and broke in Vegas kicks ass.

Speaker 5 Being 21 and filthy, fucking rich in Vegas, that's God tier.

Speaker 1 I think that honestly, I would, if I were to be drafted in Las Vegas, I would tier like the party. I'd like have something set up for like a crazy nightclub.

Speaker 1 Then if I slipped in the draft, be like, all right, we're going to this one.

Speaker 1 If I'm drafted top five, I'm going to put a million bucks on red.

Speaker 5 Yeah, oh, the Jets drafted me? Fuck, circus, circus.

Speaker 5 yeah let's go yeah let's yeah let's go to the hooters why not we love hooters by the way great sponsor also we love the jets yes the jets did that the jets had so this is what i love everyone right now and we'll get into the individual picks in a second but right now i think if you're going to take the darlings of the draft who are the who are the media darlings of the draft because i think it's the jets and it's the eagles eagles easily and i would say the ravens probably as well and we'll get to that with their trade um so the draft starts we ended the war in ukraine that was nice it was beautiful moment.

Speaker 1 It was about fucking time. Yes.

Speaker 5 Thank you. I was pissed off, though, that the chair didn't make an appearance.
Yeah. Goodell's chair needed to show off.

Speaker 1 Goodell did, he's done this before, but it's he tries to get one over. He comes out.
I think he had Derek Carr with him and a couple other raiders.

Speaker 5 Yeah, excellent haircut.

Speaker 1 His human shields to stop the booze. The booze did not stop.

Speaker 5 Well, no, that was like a half-assed attempt at the human shield. Usually, it's like in a theater of war when you like paint on the top of a hospital, like hospital, do not bomb.

Speaker 5 Goodell will bring out out like children to be on stage with him when he comes out, or he'll bring the troops out and he'll like dare everybody to boo the troops. And we will.

Speaker 5 I think he got stood up by kids and by soldiers, yep, and so he had to be like, Okay, I guess Derek Carr. No, no one's gonna boo Derek Carr.

Speaker 1 They could bring Goodell could bring out Mother Teresa and people would still boot. There's nothing like you can't.
Well, Goodell needs to know that.

Speaker 5 You should research Mother Teresa a little bit. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 She was good. She was

Speaker 5 no angel.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Think of another name. Who else? Who else could he bring out?

Speaker 5 Weird Al.

Speaker 1 Weird Al. Everyone loves Weird Al.
Yeah, who's got Scott Van Powell?

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 he's probably the most well-liked.

Speaker 1 Scott Van Pell probably has the greatest Q rating of anyone ever.

Speaker 1 OJ. OJ.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because then he could be like, they're brewing you, not me. That's actually smart.

Speaker 5 That would be great for OJ.

Speaker 1 The reverse. Yes, yes.
All right, so let's hop into the picks because it started with Trayvon Walker going number one to the Jags.

Speaker 1 I saw a tweet that made me laugh. They're like, some dude just put Trayvon Walker as number one a few months ago, and then it just happened.

Speaker 1 And I went back and I looked, and it actually is exactly how it happened.

Speaker 1 In March, a guy named Pigskin Paul, who has Grinding the Mocks as his website, was the first person to have Trayvon Walker going number one after Edge Day at the Combine, and then he just spoke it into existence.

Speaker 1 Like, it was

Speaker 1 supposed to be Aiden Hutchinson forever, and then this one guy was like, hey, why not Trayvon Walker? And then it just happened.

Speaker 5 Well, because the name of the website is Grinding the Mox. That guy got the best website name.

Speaker 1 Pigskin Paul.

Speaker 5 Pigskin Paul at Grinding the Mox. Like, I'm sold.
Where did he have Dotson?

Speaker 5 Let's see. Let me know because that's going to affect my entire judgment of how this draft went.
But yeah, Grinding the Mox. I'm shocked that that URL wasn't taken yet.

Speaker 5 Trayvon Walker, actually, I didn't know this about him.

Speaker 5 I don't know if anybody knew this about him, but like a month ago, I think, he got into a car accident or right before the, I don't even think we know what day it was.

Speaker 5 Like very recently, he got into a bad car accident and he walked away, luckily, with no serious injuries on him. That would have been an all-time bad day.

Speaker 1 That would have been bad. That would have been bad for the Jaguars as well, because they probably would have still picked him.

Speaker 5 Can you imagine Urban Meyer draft night Vegas?

Speaker 1 No, he wouldn't have.

Speaker 5 He would have been fired before the end of the night.

Speaker 1 Jahan Dotson was 25 on Grinding the Modern. That's a reach.
That's a reach. Aiden Hutchinson goes two to the Lions, which, you know, I guess it's

Speaker 1 I'm coming home or I'm not leaving.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm not fucking leaving.

Speaker 1 I'm not fucking leaving. Good pick by him, by the Lions.

Speaker 1 The only thing that I have in my head, though, now with Aiden Hutchinson is our dear friend Stephen Shea, who you heard on Wednesday when he said he's got stiff ankles.

Speaker 1 Every time I see Aiden Hutchinson, I'm like, damn, those ankles look stiff. They do look stiff.
I don't even know what that means.

Speaker 5 The way he was walking around.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm happy for him.

Speaker 5 He looked like he was having a great time. He was very thankful to go to the Lions.
I think Dan Campbell's going to love him. Dan Campbell's going to just bear hug him when he walks in and not let go.

Speaker 5 I think that it's a double-edged sword if you get drafted into your home state or home area. Right.

Speaker 5 Like him, because on one hand, you know, like they're saying with Kenny Pickett, he knows the stadium. He knows where the bathrooms are located.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they share the facilities.

Speaker 5 Yeah. On the other hand, you're going to have everybody that you went to school with hitting you up for tickets all the time.
Right.

Speaker 5 But I mean, I like the pick. I like what Detroit's doing.

Speaker 1 We also had

Speaker 1 the worst feeling in all of drafts, and people who, you know, everyone who listened to this show plays fantasy football or plays fantasy, whatever.

Speaker 1 When you pick someone which the Trayvon Walker went to the Jaguars and the pick like was announced and almost 10 seconds later the Lions pick was in yeah that's the worst feeling in the world even if they're just doing it to fuck with people it's like there's no worse feeling than picking something in a fantasy draft and the next guy going right after being like you idiot this was the pick yeah I mean I think that Aiden Hutchinson was the guy that Dan Cable was going to take regardless right but it just it's the worst feeling ever he had him probably number one number one a on his big board yeah and and then we went back-to-back cornerbacks with Derek Stingley, who proves that if you're just great for a little bit of time,

Speaker 1 you can kind of coast after that because he had an unbelievable freshman year, opted out COVID, I think, and then was injured last year, and doesn't matter. Number three pick.

Speaker 5 It's very funny to me that everyone spent a year, over a year, projecting the entire draft, and they screwed it up because they forgot that the Houston Texans are morons.

Speaker 1 Yes. But yeah,

Speaker 1 I liked the pick just because Derek Singley was that good, but yeah, it seemed a little like there was a lot of people saying he's going to go in the 20s and nope, he's going three.

Speaker 5 Well, if you pick any defensive back at LSU, I'm going to be like, that's a good pick.

Speaker 5 But like everybody had him going latter half of the top 10, maybe even into the teens. So it was like a surprise.
But again, this is the Houston Texans.

Speaker 5 So when people, so if somebody like roasts, I don't know, like a Patriots pick in the third round or something like that. Oh, that guy, he probably would have been on draft or something like that.

Speaker 5 I'm like, Belichick saw something. Right.
When the Texans do it, it's like, okay, everybody else. I trust everybody else over the Houston Texans.

Speaker 1 The Jets picking Sauce Gardner was the pick. Yes.
That was the pick. And I mean, you know, his name is the best.
His nickname is the best. He had a big sauce bottle as his jewelry.
That's cool.

Speaker 1 Awesome. Billy, quick grade on the Sauce Gardner pick.

Speaker 5 I mean, sick pick.

Speaker 5 It wasn't my dream draft, but it was the second best. Well, your dream draft was literally insane.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, but it was the best.

Speaker 5 i think you had jordan davis falling to the third round no no no it was uh

Speaker 1 number four aiden hutchinson falling okay trading number 10 for debo and then number three in the second round so you're just playing you like i did a i did a uh uh fake gm tweet like last week where the bears just traded all their picks for debo and aj brown and so that's what you're doing but real it was madden yeah yeah hey listen a boy could dream and then we had uh kayvon Thibodeau going to the Giants.

Speaker 1 All-time awkward handshake between him and Goodell. Goodell had no idea which direction he was going.

Speaker 5 They were speaking different languages.

Speaker 1 He was trying to be cool, and it just bombed.

Speaker 5 Yeah, nobody grabbed Goodell or like chest-bumped him really hard in the past, but that's way more emasculating than when that dude just picked him up and bear-hugged him and like held him up in the air for

Speaker 5 six seconds and then kissed him on the cheek. Yes.

Speaker 5 Roger Goodell was absolutely lost in the moment. Lost, lost.

Speaker 1 And we had offensive lineman Icky

Speaker 1 Kwanu. We don't have Jake tonight, so

Speaker 1 that's going to struggle.

Speaker 5 He's in rehab.

Speaker 1 We're going to struggle later.

Speaker 5 He went to rehab for dip.

Speaker 1 And then the Giants took Evan Neal, who I, like, the Giants took a great offensive lineman and a great edge rusher. Credit to the Giants.
Getting rid of Dave Gettelman might have helped you.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so this is one of those where you look at the Giants' draft, and it's like, oh, yeah, the Hogmollies, this is how you get them by drafting them. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yes, you don't have Dave Gettelman anymore. Nice.
And then the Falcons continue their quest quest to just have awesome players on all the skill positions with Drake London at wide receiver.

Speaker 1 And now I'm going to buy into the Falcons again, being like, how can you stop Drake London and Kyle Pitts?

Speaker 5 Well, the real story here is that Drake, the artist, put a bet in on Drake, the wide receiver, to be the first wide receiver taken in the draft. Oh.
And he hit on that. Damn.

Speaker 5 Very impressive, Broadway.

Speaker 5 Wait,

Speaker 5 I'm seeing this initial draft grade B-minus.

Speaker 1 B-.

Speaker 5 I absolutely love instant draft grades.

Speaker 1 They're so stupid and I just eat them up. Because they just tell you everything, but they tell you nothing.

Speaker 5 Well, they're essentially saying, like, how much did you agree with me, somebody that doesn't work in the NFL?

Speaker 1 Right, right. Was this a, this was a reach based on my own previous opinion.
Yep. Okay.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I give everybody, everyone in this draft gets an NA, not applicable, except the Eagles get an A because A.J. Brown's good.
We know he's good. Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 So we're going to get to A.J. Brown's coming up.
When was that trade? What pick? It was like 12 or 13 or something?

Speaker 5 I want to say it was around

Speaker 1 somewhere around.

Speaker 1 But anyway, the Seahawks. I got to talk about the Seahawks pick real quick because I just love it.
And I know that

Speaker 1 it doesn't really add up. Like, the Seahawks are trying to rebuild now, but I just love the fact that they took

Speaker 1 a left tackle. after Russell Wilson has been asking for an offensive lineman for the last decade, the minute Russell Wilson left the building.

Speaker 5 Yeah, the stuff that Seattle has done to their offensive line, they had it running with like duct tape and silly string for a while. You remember when Tom Cable was there?

Speaker 5 And his thing was, you know what? I'm going to take a tight end and then make him play tackle. Then I'm going to take a guard and make him play the other tackle.
Yep.

Speaker 5 Then I'm going to have like a fat, fat, short running back and we're going to try him out at center and see what happens.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And it was,

Speaker 1 yeah, I just love the narrative just because now you have something to complain about. And

Speaker 1 that's all you really need as a fan. You just need something to complain about.
Run-on wide receivers came up. Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Jameson Williams.

Speaker 1 And that was, I mean, those guys are all going to be studs, I feel like.

Speaker 1 The problem I have is that with the draft, and this will, obviously, people know this who have been listening for a very long time because of my love for the Falcons first rounders and my ever-loving love for Kevin White.

Speaker 1 If you are drafted in the first round, I just assume you're going to be a Hall of Famer. Yes.
That's just how my brain works. You should be.

Speaker 1 So I saw all these wide receivers go and I was like, oh, damn, those guys are going to be sick.

Speaker 5 Yeah. And the crazy part was

Speaker 5 there were like what, three wide receivers that played at Ohio State that all got drafted within, what, like five positions of each other?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so it was, and it was also the first time since 2004 that

Speaker 1 six wide receivers went, or sorry, five wide receivers went in the top 16 picks. So pretty significant, the fact that wide receivers, that run came and it was like a fast and furious run on them.

Speaker 5 I like Olave a lot. I like, and everyone's saying, like, he's going to be the perfect complement to Michael Thomas, which is very ambitious to say that.
Yeah, Michael Thomas, remember him?

Speaker 5 You're Michael Thomas? He's going to take some of the heat off of Olave.

Speaker 1 I'm just happy they didn't take a quarterback because I really just, I want Jameis to. Like, that would have broken.

Speaker 1 Let him be free for a little bit.

Speaker 5 Don't have him looking over his shoulder. Yes.

Speaker 1 And then we got into.

Speaker 5 With Jameison, what I like about that pick is that Jared Goff finally, for the first time in his career, has a true number one wide receiver.

Speaker 1 And we're going to get to see who probably won't play for the first couple months, but that's fine. What he can really do.

Speaker 1 Well, Wale said that he expects him to be back by week week four boom is what he was told so it's breaking news by wallet damn all right i i believe it um yeah so now let's talk eagles jordan davis it does feel like the eagles kind of won the draft and the fact they got jordan davis and they got a jrown uh who then immediately they already had signed it uh it seems like both the wide receiver trades have been in the works for weeks because uh hollywood brown was already at the cardinals draft party tonight oh he was yeah

Speaker 1 dude he got introduced at the the Cardinals draft party. He was in Arizona.
He was in Arizona, got introduced at the Cardinals. Holy shit.

Speaker 5 So I love what Arizona is doing because they've got now, they're the short kings of the NFL. Arizona with Kyler Murray, and they've got Moore, and now they've got Hollywood Brown.

Speaker 5 They're the cutest bunch of little guys out there.

Speaker 1 What's up with DeAndre Hopkins?

Speaker 1 How bad was his injury? Because I feel like this is a

Speaker 1 lot of other needs.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah. I think DeAndre Hopkins Hopkins is going to be fine.
Okay. I don't think it's like a long-term worry.
Okay.

Speaker 5 But I don't know, like, what other needs they're often stunk at the end of last year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, they had one, but I mean, DeAndre Hopkins got hurt, obviously.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying it felt like they, yeah, I guess I don't know the full, they're just trying to make Kyler Murray happy, but by doing everything but giving him the money.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think they're like, look what else we can offer you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, another friend from Oklahoma.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's going to be, you're going to have fast guys everywhere.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I do love what the Eagles did. Jordan Davis is a fucking game wrecker, and A.J.
Brown is an incredible wide receiver.

Speaker 1 And I don't, I think the Titans are just going to try to, like, they're going backwards in history where they're like, we're just really just going to run all the time, and that's all we're going to do.

Speaker 5 De Tanna Hill have too many weapons around him. Like, yeah, I mean, honestly, that's the way that they can win.

Speaker 5 Derrick Henry gets the ball a million times.

Speaker 1 A.J. Brown was really good.

Speaker 5 A.J. Brown was awesome.
This was maybe the biggest no-brainer pick in the first round. Jordan Davis, I have the bad feeling because I am going to have to play against him personally twice a year,

Speaker 5 three times in the playoffs, actually. But I think that Jordan Davis is a guy that's like, why did we let him fall to 13? He's the biggest, fastest, strongest.

Speaker 5 Billy thinks he takes plays off, but he is

Speaker 1 a fucking game wrecker. He makes everyone else better.
That's the type of guy you want. Like, it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 1 You just put him in the middle and you're just like, go, go do your thing, and everyone else will get to eat.

Speaker 5 So Billy's red flag on him, which I kind of respect, is that he's not fast enough running to the sidelines when he's being subbed out of the game that's not what i said that's what you said i said he has a fast 40 time but if he had to run the 40 10 times his drop off in times would probably be very extra so like every person ever right

Speaker 5 but i've seen him also in games running extremely fast i mean they had video of it in the alabama game him taking plays off on touchdowns how many times do you think a defensive tackle has to run 40 yards in a game when he gets off the field yeah that's no that's that's the concern

Speaker 5 he's not worried about no he's literally not worried about what happens during the play.

Speaker 1 He's just getting off the field.

Speaker 5 He's worried because he gets substituted out on third down sometime. But I don't think that he's going to not be fast enough to get the same thing.

Speaker 1 Sprinting being totally taken

Speaker 5 to the sideline to take himself out of the game.

Speaker 5 That's literally a game.

Speaker 1 Which is not 40 yards.

Speaker 1 It's close enough. From the middle of the field to the sideline?

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's close enough. Is that 40?

Speaker 5 It's like 30, 20.

Speaker 1 I don't know how wide his field is. How wide's a field? I think it's like 50.
I think it's 50 yards. I'll say it's 50 yards, so it's not even close to 40 yards.

Speaker 5 I'll say this though.

Speaker 5 If he gets caught in a too many men on the field situation where they snap the ball before he's off field, the celebration lap that Billy's going to do is going to be incredible.

Speaker 1 But what about every time he doesn't have that happen?

Speaker 5 Yeah, then everyone else.

Speaker 1 We need to count that against everyone else. Yes, right.
Okay.

Speaker 1 The Ravens, we just do both Ravens. So the Ravens trade Hollywood Brown, which

Speaker 1 the Ravens are,

Speaker 1 they're just fucking smart. All they do is smart shit.
Even though Lamar Jackson did tweet what the fuck, and it seemed like no one on the ESPN coverage even mentioned that, which was weird. It's like

Speaker 1 your franchise quarterback who you have to pay soon, you traded his favorite weapon and didn't tell him. And he found out on draft night, oh, and Hollywood Brown was already at the Cardinals.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's the draft party.

Speaker 5 That's also on Hollywood Brown. That's a Hollywood Brown move.
That's not a Marquise Brown move. Marquise would have let Lamar know ahead of time, hey, just so you know, they're flying me out here.

Speaker 5 Yes. I'm going to be putting on a different bird cap.
I want you to hear it from me first.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 5 And they also didn't mention, Lamar, not only did he tweet like WTF, he also retweeted that what the fuck, we traded Hollywood Brown.

Speaker 5 Like somebody else tweeted that, and he just, he hit the retweet on it. But yeah, it was the most Ravens night of all time.
It really was.

Speaker 5 Because not only did they get two guys who were the best players at their position.

Speaker 1 And going to be Hall of Famers.

Speaker 5 And probably, yeah, I mean, Kyle Hamilton, everyone was like, holy shit, this guy's awesome at safety. Why is nobody taking him?

Speaker 5 We've seen enough of him play to know that he's really good at football.

Speaker 1 And then

Speaker 5 they get rid of a wide receiver, which is a very Ravens thing to do. They fucking hate wide receivers in Baltimore.
They have for like the last 15 years.

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Speaker 5 What many people thought was the best interior lineman of the entire draft, one of the best linemen at their position in general in Linderbaum, who's a monster.

Speaker 5 And so I can only speculate that the Ravens are just going to be running old school, just like single-wing, smash-mouth football.

Speaker 5 Lamar's going to carry the ball like, I don't know, 30 times a game now.

Speaker 5 I would be upset if I were Lamar too, but I think it also goes back to something that I've just had it in the back of my head for the last, I don't know, six months.

Speaker 5 I think the Ravens are kind of weird about Lamar.

Speaker 5 I don't think that the Ravens, yeah, they love him because he's a great quarterback and he's an MVP, but I think that they're like a little hesitant to go all in on Lamar Jackson being their like cemented quarterback of the future.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's also confusing because he's representing himself, which has to be a weird situation when you like don't have an agent who's put like Lamar,

Speaker 1 who knows, maybe he ends up with more money because he doesn't pay agent fees, but that in itself has to be a little awkward.

Speaker 5 And and yeah i i mean i agree with you i think they want to pay him but they also don't they don't want to go patrick mahomes if it was any other mvp as your quarterback i think it's obvious that the team would go out of their way to keep you and to not not let you get to this stage in your contract without locking you up long term yeah but lamar for whatever reason i feel like they say one thing and they talk about how much they love lamar but i really don't think that they love him but they're not in love with him right right i i'd agree with that assessment um but yeah, the Ravens.

Speaker 1 So, what the Ravens did with Hollywood Brown just is what a smart franchise does. They drafted a guy, got three years of him on his rookie contract, didn't have to pay him the next contract.

Speaker 1 So, they drafted him at 25 in 2019, and then they traded Hollywood Brown in the 100th pick for pick number 23 this year.

Speaker 5 That's kind of exactly exchanging it. It's kind of what the Titans did, too, though, right?

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, but it's like it's genius if you're trying to just keep reloading. And I, you know, Hollywood Brown is a good wide receiver.
I don't think he's worth crazy, crazy money.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so, I mean, the draft isn't over. That's what I forget that a lot, actually, when I'm done watching the first draft because

Speaker 5 it's such a spectacle. And I'm like, okay, we can give our draft grades out right now.
Turns out there are six other rounds that we have to go through.

Speaker 5 They're probably going to get a wide receiver at some point. Of course.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot of wide receivers left.

Speaker 1 But I do think the Ravens just, it's basically when they went, you know, Ray Lewis and Orlando Pace in back-to-back drafts, except they did it in the same draft.

Speaker 1 They just got Kyle Hamilton and Lindenbaum, and they're both going to, they'll probably go into Canton at the same time.

Speaker 5 They always do this, especially on defense. They just get a player, and you think everybody else forgot that guy was still available.

Speaker 5 The only time I remember that not working out, I thought Sergio Kendall was going to be a beast on the Ravens. Yep.

Speaker 1 And there's, yeah, there's a couple that you thought, I mean, Hollywood Brown,

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think who else. Oh, Todd Heap, but he got hurt.
I always loved Todd Heap just because he was on hard knocks. Yep.
I was like, holy shit, that guy's big. Yep.

Speaker 1 All right, Jahan Dotson to the Commanders. Great pick.
Thank you. Great pick.
He's a beast. Like, he beat the fuck out of Wisconsin.
He beat the fuck out of the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 Every time, what I'd say about Jahan Dotson after watching him a lot in college is every time they played, Penn State basically was like, Jahan Dotson is our guy. The defense knew that.

Speaker 1 He had Sean Clifford throwing to him, and he still had crazy stats.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, listen, I trust one guy and one guy only when it comes to sitting down. Well, besides Mock Grinders, I trust Pigskin Paul.
Pigskin Paul at mockgrinders.com. Yes.

Speaker 1 When it comes to

Speaker 5 grinding the mocks,

Speaker 5 especially in the Big Ten, and that's Hank. And Hank was just over the moon about this pick.
I respect what you were saying. You were tweeting at me, letting me know how much you loved it.

Speaker 1 Love it, Hank.

Speaker 5 I appreciate that, Hank.

Speaker 5 The guy is a beast. I've been watching him for the last couple of years.
He plays good in the snow. I like that.
The only thing, two things concern me, two red flags about Jahan Dotson. Size.

Speaker 1 And I don't give a fuck. Nope, don't.
No, but that's old school, like that. There actually are people like, oh, he's too small.
Did you see the NFL now?

Speaker 1 Like, these guys, they could be, it's a wide receiver league. Yeah, don't.
Guys can do whatever. Like, they don't have to be big dudes.

Speaker 5 Actually, if you're a little guy, it probably looks a lot more violent when you get pass interfered with. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're like, oh, that poor little guy.

Speaker 5 I'm going to throw the flag. I think that the two red flags on him, one, his name sounds way too much like Josh Dachson, who the Redskins drafted in the first round out of TCU, and he stunk.

Speaker 5 And so I'm going to be calling him accidentally Josh Dachson instead of Jahan Dotson

Speaker 5 for the next five years. I just want to let everybody know.
Also, when you type his name in for the first time on Twitter, it auto-corrects to ha ha ha Dotson instead of Jahan Dachshund. Okay.

Speaker 5 So I can't be held responsible for any of that. And then the other red flag about him, I actually don't have another.

Speaker 5 I'm glad that we got him. I think that we probably could have traded back again.
I was in favor of just continuing to trade back and back until we just had every pick in the fourth round.

Speaker 1 It felt like trading was like pretty cheap. Like, you could get a lot of value.
Like, everyone was, there's the most trade.

Speaker 1 I don't know if it's statistically actually a fact, but it felt like the most trades in any draft. Yeah.
Right? No, it didn't. It felt like everyone was moving around.

Speaker 1 And, you know, we heard that it was a weak draft going in and you could move up for pretty cheap. You could move back and gain a little value.
Like, everyone did these trades.

Speaker 1 And every single time I was like, oh, that makes sense.

Speaker 5 What I also love about getting a wide receiver in the first round is

Speaker 5 it's definitely

Speaker 5 second tier in terms of like getting excited for a new toy to having a new quarterback. But a good wide receiver that you draft, I feel like I have a new toy now.
I'm watching the highlight reels.

Speaker 5 He smoked Rutgers, like half the highlights that they have up there are him against Rutgers. I love watching that.

Speaker 5 I love getting hyped about it and just being like, okay, this is somebody exciting because you could draft an interior lineman. Like you draft a beast of a guard or a center.

Speaker 5 It's kind of fun, but you don't get to sit back and watch highlight films on YouTube. That's what I'm looking for.

Speaker 1 I think, in order of like hypeness of draft picks, it's QB, edge rusher, wide receiver.

Speaker 5 I disagree. I'd say wide receiver, too.

Speaker 1 Oh, you love a edge rusher, though, who's like, oh, he's going to wreck everything. Yeah.
There's no better feeling than like, put this guy in and we're set.

Speaker 5 I like a running back, too, but those usually come later. Like, you can get pumped about a fifth-round running back that you take.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
So moving on, the Titans got Traylon Burks from Arkansas, fill in that A.J. Brown, which, you know,

Speaker 1 the Titans didn't want to pay A.J. Brown $100 million, and that's what he got right when he went to the Eagles.
So

Speaker 5 I love hate it. I love right when they showed the draft pick, they said like professional comparison, A.J.
Brown.

Speaker 1 Yeah, perfect. It was perfect.
You just got a younger A.J. Brown that's less money.

Speaker 5 The Chargers also picked. They took Zion Johnson.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So that was a, that was one of those ones that if the Char, you just needed to see offensive lineman for the Chargers, and it could have been literally anyone, you'd be like, good pick. Great pick.

Speaker 1 Because that's all you need right now. You are two pieces away from a Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and I don't even know who's playing right tackle for him. I know Slater's on their left side, right? Slater's a beast.
So it's like, yeah,

Speaker 5 give me a guard to protect Herbert, and that's the final piece to it.

Speaker 1 And then we had the big, the first quarterback, the only quarterback in round one, Kenny Pickett, staying in Pittsburgh,

Speaker 1 shares practice facilities. Also, 39 years after the Steelers famously passed on a different quarterback that kind of burned them a little bit in Dan Marino, go buy our,

Speaker 1 what's the shirt say? Kenny has big hands?

Speaker 5 Kenny Pickett has big hands.

Speaker 1 And he sold out, I think, and he does. We're going to reload on him, though.
And I'm just, all I'm going to say about this pick is I'm rooting for Kenny Pickett because we love him. He's our guy.

Speaker 1 And you can't pick, if you're a quarterback, like, and you list where you could go, the Steelers have to be top five just because

Speaker 1 they know what they are, consistency, head coaching, front, like everything is consistent, and they always have a plan. So, as a quarterback, it's got to be a dream to go to the Steelers.

Speaker 5 It's the best possible landing spot. Yeah, you know, they like it's it's Pittsburgh and New England are the best places that you can go.

Speaker 2 Very much on sale still, by the way. Oh, they are? Kenny Pickett has big hands.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Check it out right now.

Speaker 5 If I was Kitty Pickett, and you go back to Pittsburgh, I would keep my same apartment that that I have, but I would trash the fuck out of it.

Speaker 5 I would beat the fuck out of the, I would tear that place apart.

Speaker 1 I'd keep it.

Speaker 5 How fun would that be to just go back and be like, you know what? I'm going to go like total Led Zeppelin hotel room. I'd make my friends

Speaker 1 in that apartment. Yeah, just be like, oh, you guys want to come to a game? Yeah, here's my apartment.
So, all right, fuck, the Mavericks are dying right now.

Speaker 1 All right, moving on. The Packers finally got a weapon for Aaron Rodgers, linebacker Quay Walker.

Speaker 5 Congratulations.

Speaker 1 Oh, and they also got a defensive tackle, so they got two guys that Aaron Rodgers can throw, too.

Speaker 5 I was just hoping they were going to take a quarterback.

Speaker 1 Okay, so that would have been great because the stat is since 2005 when Aaron Rodgers got picked in the first round, how many first-round picks have the Packers used on offensive players?

Speaker 1 Two. One.
Jordan Love.

Speaker 5 Oh, my God. Yes.

Speaker 1 So great. And now, this is the part where I say, Packers fans, you're a pervert.
If you listen to this next part, this is not for you. Hit that 30-second fast-forward.

Speaker 1 These are actually two really good picks for the Packers because their defense is going to be sick. And they basically were like,

Speaker 1 who had one of the best defenses of all time? Oh, Georgia, let's get two of their guys. And yeah, I'm scared.
But that's okay because Aaron Rodgers, he should hold out again.

Speaker 5 He's got no weapons. I'm always of the mindset that if you take just an SEC defensive player in the first round, that's a good pick.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Speaking of which, the Bills got a cornerback from Florida. And I, I mean,

Speaker 1 the Bills are another team where they're like one or two pieces away. And it feels like that was an important piece.

Speaker 1 When you get shredded by Patrick Mahomes, how about get a cornerback who can maybe stop someone?

Speaker 5 Well, they saw what the Jets are building, and they're like, we got to share up our nickel coverage.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's a big-time war.

Speaker 1 Cowboys got offensive lineman, sure. He'll probably be awesome and then get injured,

Speaker 1 right?

Speaker 5 I'd say he'll be suspended for deal for

Speaker 5 possession with intent to deal really shitty pot.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Pro Bowl rookie year.

Speaker 1 Suspended second year.

Speaker 1 Third year, comes out hot. Looks like Pro Bowl gets hurt.
And then everyone's like, well, Dak's losing all his players, so he can't do it all himself.

Speaker 5 Traded to the Broncos.

Speaker 1 Traded to the Broncos. There it is.

Speaker 1 The Jets, Jermaine Johnson. You want to talk, Billy, real quick about Jermaine Johnson? Another dream pick?

Speaker 5 He's a beast. He's a disruptor.
Did great FSU, and I think he's going to be a big contribution to Gang Green.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 5 I like the fact that Robert Sala likes him. He's a guy that, if he loves you, I trust what he thinks about defensive players.

Speaker 5 Like he's seen enough really, really good pass rushers to know what they look like. So I'm just going to defer all my judgment to the Jets coaching staff on this one.

Speaker 1 He knows. By the way, I forgot one thing about Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 1 Our good friend Mitch Shabiski got Gluttoned.

Speaker 1 A little bit. It's like the circle of life.
I mean, a lot of bit.

Speaker 1 He literally signed with the Steelers, and then they drafted a quarterback two months later It's gonna be you know what open competition

Speaker 1 he got Glenn I also had a very good conversation with our good friend Jersey Jerry because I don't think he realized and I've had to deal with this before and I think everyone here has had to deal with it where you have a friend who's on your favorite team and I was like hey Jerry I love Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 1 I want Kenny Pickett to do well. If he has a bad game, what are you going to say? And his like, his jaw dropped.
He's like, I didn't even think about it.

Speaker 5 Well, best case scenario is that Kenny Kenny Pickett sits his rookie year. Yeah.
So that Jerry gets to just be like, I love this guy.

Speaker 5 They need to put this guy in, never get him in, extend the friendship for a little bit.

Speaker 5 Hopefully, Kenny Pickett gets into a position where he's like ready to start in the NFL, and then they won't have to go through that. But yeah, it's got to be tough for him.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel bad.

Speaker 1 It's a tough position to be in. All right, rounding out the first round.

Speaker 1 Hank, what's your tape on Cole Strange?

Speaker 2 My tape is based on Sean McVay and the Rams, and I'm fired up.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Did you see their reaction? No. Oh, my God.
I'm going to send it to you. They laughed in Bill Belichick's face.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 2 Well, Sean McVay was like drunk or something. I think he had a couple pops.

Speaker 2 And they were doing some type of live reaction show, and they reacted to the pick, and McVay was like, ha ha,

Speaker 1 I'm so sad.

Speaker 2 We watched all that film for him. We thought we were going to get him in the fourth round.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so this is Hank McClane.

Speaker 1 It's extra sensitive. No, I'm not being sensitive.
I'm just saying. I'm fired up.
You're being a little sensitive.

Speaker 2 Sean McVay's reaction fires me up. You're a little sensitive.

Speaker 1 Is that sensitive?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You're being a little sensitive.

Speaker 5 I think his reaction was more along the lines of, like, we like this guy. We were hoping that he would be there at pick 54 for us.

Speaker 2 Oh, no, no, no, PFT.

Speaker 5 I'm sorry. I'm sorry you feel that way, Hank.

Speaker 1 Oh, damn it.

Speaker 5 What? I fell for a false graphic.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. Not a false graphic.

Speaker 5 No, it was a Cole Strange graphic, and it had a true fact where it said he doesn't believe in cloud storage because one has to stay grounded, man.

Speaker 5 And then I just realized that on his stats, it goes burgers 54, veggies 0, along with his other stats.

Speaker 5 How did you grab that? How did you fall for that?

Speaker 1 On what planet could that have been real? Well, I didn't realize

Speaker 5 that the true fact. No, it was.

Speaker 5 I'm involved in many NFL Reddits.

Speaker 5 I think you need to have a 10-second take a breath, think about this tweet before you share it. Well, I didn't tweet it.
Pause.

Speaker 5 I was going to comment when Cole Strange came up saying he doesn't believe in the cloud.

Speaker 1 Maybe we can get Elon to put in a Billy button where it's like

Speaker 1 you hit send on your tweet, and then it's like a 30-second countdown.

Speaker 5 Don't worry, Biden.

Speaker 1 Before it actually sends.

Speaker 5 But if it's a meme, was it a meme? Or was it a graphic? It was a graphic. Just say it was a meme.
It was a meme. Yeah, you shared a meme.

Speaker 1 They didn't tweet it.

Speaker 2 So you just admitted to getting fooled internally?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 5 I was about to read it to like say, oh, look at this fun fact about Cole Strange, but it was fake.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I didn't read it.

Speaker 5 I know, but I said it. The mic's too close to my mouth.
Big Cat picked it up. Damn.
Whose fault is it that

Speaker 5 your mouth is close to the mic?

Speaker 1 No, we should actually applaud Billy for that. I'm speaking to the mic.
I'm speaking too much now. Good point.

Speaker 1 What have we done?

Speaker 2 I want to hear your live reaction. And the only other thing I'll say, obviously, it's a projected third or fourth round pick.
It's weird taking him in the first round.

Speaker 2 But as, you know, in these situations, you just got to trust Bill. But.

Speaker 1 Good-selling jersey. A jersey that says strange on the back? Yeah,

Speaker 5 strange 69. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That would be cool.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 2 I want to hear your

Speaker 2 whether or not it's justified to feel disrespected.

Speaker 1 Oh, wait. Now you're disrespected.

Speaker 5 I thought you were fired up. All right, here we go.

Speaker 1 Oh, my UT Chattanooga to the first round. Hey, where is...

Speaker 1 How about that? And we wasted our time watching him thinking he'd be at 104, maybe.

Speaker 1 Oh, they're hammered.

Speaker 2 They're hammered. Yeah, and they're like, yeah, exactly.
And they're clowning Belichick.

Speaker 5 You know what the Rams are on draft night?

Speaker 1 The Rams was like a ha ha ha.

Speaker 5 When everyone else is picking and they're not having it, it's like the kid in your high school that got into their first choice at college in the fall semester for early admission.

Speaker 5 And now they just totally check out and don't give a fuck about it. That's what the Rams get to do.
They just party. They just take, they have senioritis on the first round of the draft.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So Cole Strange, do you think, was that a reach? Is that what people are saying? Yeah, it probably was. Okay.

Speaker 1 Will the Patriots regret trading out of number 21 where the Chiefs selected Washington? Okay. And then we have the Chiefs.
They got Carloftis from Purdue. There's a run on Big Ten players.

Speaker 1 Daxon Hill from Michigan. And then the Vikings finish it off with a safety.

Speaker 1 Good draft. Yeah.
I give the draft. Let's grade the draft fully from our, like, I don't grade each team.
I'm just grading the draft. That was an A draft.

Speaker 5 I'm going to give it a B. I don't think it's worth it.
Mel Kuiper wasn't there, dude. No, Mel Kuiper.

Speaker 5 That could have been. Yeah, I dinged it for having no Mel Kuiper.
He could have.

Speaker 5 I'm not so sure I buy the whole vaccination thing for Mel.

Speaker 1 You think he just didn't want to be there?

Speaker 5 No, I think he's just too good at blackjack. He's a card counter.
He's not allowed at the casinos there. He's like, I'm not going.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to Vegas. Or is it reverse? He's like Dan Orlovsky type where he's like, if I go to Vegas, I'll just, too many women will fuck me.
Yeah, I know my weaknesses.

Speaker 1 Dr. Orlovsky there right now.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 Everyone, real quick, real quick, say a prayer for Dan.

Speaker 1 Holy shit.

Speaker 5 I hope Dan's all right. I hope he's not either A, with a woman or B, not with a woman by himself in his hotel room.

Speaker 1 He's probably just walking the desert being like, There's no women out here.

Speaker 5 He's just coming the entire time.

Speaker 5 Dan Orlavsky is just nutting. He's multiple come shot Dan.

Speaker 1 Poor Dan. He's just out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I like this draft. It was fun.
There was so much fucking madness, and it felt like there was. I like any draft where you feel like there's a few teams that got significantly better.

Speaker 1 And I count the Eagles, the Ravens,

Speaker 1 the Commanders, yeah, Commanders, sure.

Speaker 2 The Jets tweeted the stringer bell, we back up.

Speaker 1 That's tough. Wow.
That's a draft.

Speaker 1 That is tough.

Speaker 5 They're electric, bro. That's tough.
They're going to be a wagon.

Speaker 1 And the Giants. I actually love what the Giants did.
Fuck. Anytime you take a defensive

Speaker 1 edge guy and an offensive lineman,

Speaker 1 you can't. That is automatically an A draft for that team, no matter what.

Speaker 5 You can't say anything bad about it. You have to be like, just watch.
This is how you build a football team. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 They might stink. I don't know.

Speaker 5 They probably don't stink because I've watched them play in college. But

Speaker 5 you could pass that off on me and be like, we took, if we used two top 10 picks, both on a line position. I'm like,

Speaker 5 that team's building the right way.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 Anything else from the draft? It was, yeah, we got two more days. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5 Big shout out to the fans at the draft tonight. The fans had an all-time showing out there.
It was a destination. I saw multiple fans.

Speaker 5 I'm talking probably two dozen or so that were wearing jerseys, authentic team jerseys. And on the back, it didn't have a player name.
It just said NFL draft. Oh, that's great.
22 on the back.

Speaker 5 You're going to frame that one up and put it above your pool table.

Speaker 1 I'm awarding my fan of the night. I decided that I was going to take a picture of every fan, funny fan I saw, and then whoever I award fan of the night, I'm going to blindly bet on that team week one.

Speaker 1 All proceeds going to myself. I've decided I think it's going to be the Jets.
There was a Bulldog dude who has

Speaker 1 a Giannis wingspan. I've never seen anything like it.

Speaker 1 He looks like he's 5'5 and a 7'5 wingspan, and he's a bulldog that came back as a human being in a Jets uniform at the draft. Jets week one, lock of the week.

Speaker 5 I think I know that guy.

Speaker 1 Really?

Speaker 5 Billy kept saying, like,

Speaker 5 that dude's a general contractor

Speaker 5 it's billy's billy's biggest contributions in the in our war room here tonight that he thought he swore he knew the guy that was the jets fan that's number one and the second he kept being like look at aiden hutchinson's mom no no oh no billy yeah oh no billy oh his sister sorry look at this look at this guy's wingspan pfd Look at him.

Speaker 1 He's a fucking little bulldog. Look at him.

Speaker 1 When he put his hands out, you you could play him at the stretch four.

Speaker 1 His wingspan is insane

Speaker 1 for a guy who's that small. Oh, yeah.
That's like,

Speaker 1 what the hell?

Speaker 5 That's like, he looks like David Boston when he puts his hands out.

Speaker 1 It's crazy. It's crazy.
So, yeah, he wins my fan of the night. Jets week one, no matter what the line, whoever they're playing, I'm taking that.

Speaker 5 Also, I give a C-plus to the flyover. It was just helicopters.
Yeah. I need a plane.
I need a jet. I need something with wings on it.
Yes. Three helicopters is a bit much.

Speaker 5 You got Air Force Base right there. Area 51 is right there.
I agree.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's talk some NBA. We had some teams get eliminated in the last 48 hours.

Speaker 1 We're actually watching right now as the Mavericks try to eliminate the beast thing Rudy Goberts. And I'm not going to win this bet, and this is going to piss me off.

Speaker 5 Utah's going to win this game. Yep, Utah's about.

Speaker 1 Oh, that was a travel.

Speaker 1 That was a travel. Yep, they called it.
Their first travel

Speaker 5 this season was called.

Speaker 5 That's a hell of a time to choose right there.

Speaker 1 I also have Mavericks minus one. So I kind of need some free throws here.
Bruh. Very, very badly.
Wow. A travel call.
You don't see that. And they have to foul twice.
This is going to suck.

Speaker 1 I got the worst line possible. Either way.

Speaker 5 Well, this is good for those of us who are in the get the jazz out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yes, that's true.

Speaker 5 That's true. We get to move on from the jazz now.

Speaker 1 Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 All right, so teams eliminated.

Speaker 1 Jokic got eliminated. The Nuggets got eliminated by the Warriors.
Jokic, he got my MVP vote last night.

Speaker 1 I decided to send it in because he dragged that team

Speaker 1 as far as you could against a really good Warriors team. I also, Jokic leads a league in dudes who look like they've been fighting a cat at the end of a game.
His arms are just scratched up.

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 I think Mike Ruiz from Lebatard has been on the like, Jokic's arms bleed more than anyone else in the NBA.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 5 And it's absolutely true. Yeah.
Like, blood is always running down. And the thing is, he's got those big, meaty, slippery arms.
So you see the blood pops on his arms. And

Speaker 1 he's not even bleeding all the time.

Speaker 1 Really, just like multiple scratches on his arms at all times.

Speaker 1 The Bulls went out in,

Speaker 1 they didn't really fight.

Speaker 1 It was actually a really pathetic and demoralizing thing to watch because the Bucs essentially said, you guys suck so bad at shooting that we'll just let you shoot as much as you want and never close out.

Speaker 1 The Bulls tried 52 three-pointers. I think it was a franchise record.
They went 15 for 52.

Speaker 1 It was, oh, man, he missed his first. Jalen Brunson missed the first one.

Speaker 1 I've never seen anything like it where a team basically,

Speaker 1 it's like the demoralizing pickup game where it's like, yeah, I'll let you have that. I'll let you have that.
But in an NBA playoff game. Keep shooting, though.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 If they're going to give it to you, keep shooting. Hank, how are you feeling about the Bucs?

Speaker 1 Yeah, now that it's official.

Speaker 5 Give us your, like, come at Milwaukee right now.

Speaker 2 I got nothing against Milwaukee. They're the defending champs.
You know, it's going to be a tough, tough out.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No Middleton. No Middleton for the entire series.

Speaker 2 I mean, Giannis is Giannis. Again, they're the defending champs.
You saw what he did last year. He can go 1v5 against anyone.
I think the Celtics have a great defense.

Speaker 5 Hank has been coached by Belichick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, are you afraid of Grayson Allen? Of course. Yeah, why wouldn't you be? Hey, he's Duke Legend.
What about Bobby Portis? No. Oh,

Speaker 5 mark that. Bulletin board material right there, Hank.

Speaker 1 You don't want to piss Bobby Portis off.

Speaker 2 Not worried about Bobby Portis. Sunday.
I think it'll probably, I mean,

Speaker 2 with all that being said, like

Speaker 1 minor whomping. Minor whom?

Speaker 1 5-6?

Speaker 1 Six is probably a minor whomping.

Speaker 1 I don't think

Speaker 5 it's six games if the only two that you lose are on the road. That's a minor whamping.

Speaker 1 A minor whomping.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and they have to be close, too.

Speaker 1 I think in, we're back to just square one defining a whomping. I do think a whomping is five and four, which we declared.

Speaker 1 So minor whomping would have to be, like PFT said, you only lose your road games, and I think you have to win at least one of the games by 20 plus. Yeah,

Speaker 2 one of the games you lose has to be in overtime.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you can lose one at home in overtime.

Speaker 1 So you have to blow them out at at least once. Like, really, really bad.

Speaker 5 If there's no minor whomping, you have to do the whamp is cat and

Speaker 5 drink cat. And so does Jake.

Speaker 1 And so does Jake. And Jake has to get a cat as well.

Speaker 5 Deal. And drink spotted cow.

Speaker 1 We should just, yeah, we should just keep doing bets where Jake has to dip until

Speaker 1 spotted cow, yeah.

Speaker 5 Until he's speeding forward. Got him.
He's going to be itching his arms so bad, he's going to look like Jokic.

Speaker 1 Jake just having to do dip until we get him addicted would be a great storyline

Speaker 1 for this show.

Speaker 1 So we had that. We had Pelicans.

Speaker 1 Devin Booker got back just in time to save Chris Paul's ass.

Speaker 5 Yeah, that offense looks a lot better, doesn't it, when it's not relying on Chris Paul?

Speaker 1 Oh, for three? Oh, no. Wide open.
He's got it. Oh, I missed it.
See you, Jazz. Love it.
Mavericks, never a doubt.

Speaker 5 Yikes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Mavericks, never a doubt. So there we go.
The Jazz are gone. The Mavericks are advancing.
The Mavericks are going to play the Suns.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Chris Paul was incredible.

Speaker 5 He went 14 for 14. Insane.

Speaker 5 Has anybody ever gone 14 for 14 in a playoff game before?

Speaker 1 Someone tweeted, obviously, Wilt. Wilt went like 18 for 18.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but he was the only one that could dunk.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. So that was a, I think there was one other person when I saw the tweet.
I can't remember it.

Speaker 5 If I was playing against second graders on an eight-foot rim, that's basically what Wil Chamberlain was doing.

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes, exactly.
So the Mavericks kick out the Jazz. Pelicans.
are gone. Nice story.
Good run. And then kind of,

Speaker 1 I don't want to say a shocker, but I think we all thought that the Raptors Sixers was going to go seven, and the Sixers absolutely whomped them.

Speaker 5 It's because we got pre-excited about a take. I know.
We were just pre-excited for the whole Doc Rivers thing.

Speaker 1 And James Harden. And James Harden.

Speaker 5 It was all the stars were aligning for the perfect storm of playoff choke artists. And so I'm a little bit upset.

Speaker 5 I'm disappointed in Toronto for not living up to your end of the bargain because I don't know what I'm going to do with all these takes that have just been swimming around in my head.

Speaker 5 I've been so pumped about the stuff that we're going to get to unleash on this. I was actually mostly excited about the stuff Hank was going to get to say about the city of Philadelphia.

Speaker 5 But unfortunately, that'll have to wait for another day.

Speaker 1 Damn.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I was excited too.

Speaker 1 We were all very, very excited.

Speaker 2 The Doc Rivers interview

Speaker 2 when he was basically trying to blame

Speaker 1 everything.

Speaker 2 Everyone but himself and

Speaker 2 basically shitting on his old players and teams for being so bad that it actually made him a good coach was so funny. It would have been so much funnier if they lost.

Speaker 5 Yeah, he had every excuse.

Speaker 5 he you can tell that's one of those press conferences that he had prepared for he had notes that he had memorized he like practiced it in the mirror and in front of his wife and been like tell me tell me how you think this sounds yes i mean

Speaker 1 he was talking about his magic team and it's like tracy mcrady was on that team he's like look at that roster that was one of my best coaching jobs ever it's tough when you have to defend yourself your entire resume in the first round well also because it's not like it's on a coach to develop the players that are on the roster yeah right no well

Speaker 2 the other thing too is that Shaq,

Speaker 2 who is like, you know, the biggest alien in the history of the NBA, greatest player of all time, is on NBA, on TNT being like, yeah, no, it's not on the coach, it's on the player.

Speaker 2 Like, if I lost 3-1, it's on me. It's like, that's not, that doesn't apply for everyone.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You're Shaq.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you were

Speaker 1 an unstoppable force in every way.

Speaker 1 I just looked, by the way, so the

Speaker 1 top three

Speaker 1 games where a player had a perfect 100% field goal percentage were all Wilt. He went 18 for 18, 16 for 16, 15 for 15.

Speaker 5 That's pretty impressive. Would you say the stats, like, yeah, the top three all belong to the same guy, but Chris Paul, what he did tonight was pretty incredible.
But again,

Speaker 5 but again, Booker was there taking some of the heat off.

Speaker 1 It was all Booker. So it was my mind.
And we have to, as a podcast, game plan. I'm not worried yet, but

Speaker 1 it dawned on me, and I never really had to think about it, but Rosillo is going to come back at us so much harder than we've gone at him if Chris Paul wins a championship.

Speaker 1 It's not going to happen, though.

Speaker 5 It's not going to happen. Chris Paul's not clutch.
I'm not worried about that.

Speaker 1 We have to be ready for that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but I'm more excited about the excuses he's going to line up for Chris Paul when he eventually does lose.

Speaker 5 I tweeted this out yesterday, but I figured out the perfect scenario for the playoffs moving forward. The Mavericks should also be eliminated.
I don't want to see whoever wins this series, the Jazz.

Speaker 5 Oh, I do.

Speaker 1 Luca.

Speaker 5 Luca finally won a playoff series not that pumped to see the mavericks in the next round no but if they beat the suns then we can say chris paul's a bum that's true i will be rooting for the mavs yes for that reason that reason only um i would like to see the mavericks and the warriors play and then i would like to see just the grizzlies and the t-wolves play until football season starts yes until hard

Speaker 1 we need a game seven we need a game seven game six is tomorrow night in minnesota game seven would be sunday because i don't think that would be it that would be the only game seven we'd get now we need a game seven we need a game seven on sunday i will build my whole weekend around it please please please give it to us uh okay let's get to our interview and then we'll finish with firefest on the other side we have carly lloyd in studio awesome interview uh american hero i'm gonna say it american hero easily so let's let's hop hey this is ria from chicks in the office and this season we're heading home for the holidays with abercrombie and fitch we all know our calendars are about to get chaotic for non-stop plans abercrombie has the pieces to curate your perfect seasonal wardrobe, sweaters and denim for casual plans, party dresses for nights out, and comfy matching sets for everything in between.

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is two-time World Cup champion, two-time Olympic gold medalist, two-time FIFA World Player of the Year, and now owner of Gotham FC, Carly Lloyd.

Speaker 1 How are you doing?

Speaker 3 I'm good, I know. It's pretty cool to have that last bit in the bio there now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so that's why you're here. So you are now an owner of the team that you played for.

Speaker 1 Can you explain like how this all, I mean, this is the dream of anyone, although I do own a little bit of Swansea, just so you know.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not joking. I do.
So, no big deal. Yeah, thank you.
And we also owned the New Zealand Breakers.

Speaker 1 And Yeah, actually, now that I'm thinking about it, we own a lot more teams than you, but that's okay. It's not a contest.
Yeah. All right.

Speaker 1 It can be. I'll have to see how I outdo you guys next time.
So, how did it break down? Like, what made you be like, hey, I want to get into owning a team?

Speaker 3 Well, I think, you know, we had sort of

Speaker 3 some changes that were happening last season towards the second half of our season.

Speaker 3 You know, we

Speaker 3 were regrouping a bit. They were making some changes and just really trying to better the whole team

Speaker 3 on the field, off the field. So I obviously announced my retirement and in speaking with one of the owners, Ed, and Tammy Murphy, who is the wife of the governor of New Jersey,

Speaker 3 you know, there was just a conversation of, you know, hey, we know you're going to be done playing, but do you have any interest in kind of staying involved in figuring out what that may look like?

Speaker 3 So we finished the season, got through the the offseason a little bit, and then just had, you know, some conversations of

Speaker 3 sort of being a bit of an ambassador and

Speaker 3 owning a bit of the team. And I thought it was

Speaker 3 very intriguing because I've put so much time and energy on the field playing, but I still feel like there's so much more I have to give.

Speaker 3 And there's a lot of women that are kind of leading the charge for Gotham FC. So for me, it was a no-brainer to get involved.

Speaker 5 So are you prepared for owning the team now and then any slight stumble they have, now people are like, fucking Carly, she's winning this team.

Speaker 1 Shit.

Speaker 3 Well, you know what? Good thing is, is I'm not making all the really, really important decisions that are going on. So,

Speaker 3 you know, hopefully

Speaker 3 I can just help. I could shed some of my wisdom that I've learned and just be around the team.
Because at the end of the day, you know, I...

Speaker 3 All my former teammates, you know, I have great relationships with them. So I want to see them do well and I want to help in any any way I can.

Speaker 5 What was the main reason why you decided it was time to retire from playing the game? Were you just like, I've, you know, what I'm bored, I've been too good for too long, I've dominated everybody.

Speaker 5 It's time, yeah, let me give somebody else a shot.

Speaker 3 I don't know. I mean, Tom Brady's back, so you never get bored of being great.

Speaker 1 So, are you saying you might come back?

Speaker 5 Maybe you'll hire yourself.

Speaker 1 Player, you don't have to pay yourself. No, if I don't see what I'm liking, I may be like, hey, I got to come back onto the field.

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 3 I am fully 100% retired, not unretiring.

Speaker 3 Although April Fool's, our April Fools show got people a little bit. Even my sister, my own sister was like, texted me, and she was like, if this is true, you're my sister.

Speaker 3 I'm going to be mad at you forever. And I'm like, no, I'm not coming back to play.

Speaker 3 But no, on the retirement front, I just knew that I wanted to go four cycles. So four Olympics, four World Cups.
Obviously, Tokyo pushed that to another year,

Speaker 3 which was supposed to happen in 2020, finished up in 2021. I just had nothing left in me.

Speaker 3 You know, I mean, I could have, I could have definitely gone, but to be able to dictate when I wanted to leave the sport

Speaker 3 somewhat on top and feeling good still, for me, it just was time to, you know, pass the torch and live my life and enjoy things.

Speaker 1 How different is it? You know, you, you went, you graduated college 2004

Speaker 1 and then you, like you said, four cycles. How, how different is the women's national team and like just how everyone approaches it and even the fans

Speaker 1 from 20 years ago? Because it feels like this is the biggest growth that the team has ever had.

Speaker 1 And a lot of the players on the team have become household names, which maybe not was the case in years past.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's grown tremendously. I got on the national team in 2005 and the women, you know, prior to me were fighting for guaranteed contracts.

Speaker 3 They were fighting for pregnancy leave, health benefits, all those things. And here I am, I get a you know, a check for playing in two games, and I'm like, wow, I'm rich, you know, but

Speaker 3 literally, there was a lot more that

Speaker 3 they were fighting for. And

Speaker 3 I remember the fans, we had maybe

Speaker 3 5,000 fans at our games. And so we kind of went through this several years.
We didn't have a women's professional league at the time. That didn't come until 2009.

Speaker 3 And then 2011 World Cup. That, I would say, was when the trend started to become massive.
Fans were jumping on board. We actually lost to Japan in the final.

Speaker 3 I missed a horribly, horribly shot PK.

Speaker 3 Not proud of, but I learned from that.

Speaker 5 I'm glad you brought that up. That was my last question.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What were you thinking?

Speaker 3 It's terrible.

Speaker 3 It went really high up in the air in the stands. But we came home from that.
We came to New York. We did some media and we were being cheered as if we had won.
And we're like, we didn't win.

Speaker 3 We got second place. So from that point on, we had been kind of riding this wave that was just building, building, building.
You throw social media into it.

Speaker 3 And then once 2015 World Cup came around in Canada,

Speaker 3 I mean, I still think on Fox sports, it was still the number one watched final

Speaker 3 in a World Cup. It was massive.
And, you know, it's been 16 years since we won a World Cup. Previous one was 1999.

Speaker 3 So the wave has just been kind of going since.

Speaker 1 America loves winners. That's, I mean, that's...

Speaker 1 You guys are so good that it's like, you know, soccer's never going to be the most popular sport in America, but winning is fun. And I remember watching it being like, this is awesome.
Winning is fun.

Speaker 3 Everybody loves winning.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I also, I find that I like watching the women's game sometimes more than the men's game because you guys don't flop.

Speaker 5 There's no like die, or there is some, some teams do, like the Brazilians occasionally. Yeah, they'll dive in.

Speaker 1 But you get really mad at them, which is shows like the game.

Speaker 5 That's how we want to watch soccer in America. Like we get, we get sick of seeing like the embellishment that takes place a lot of times in the men's game.

Speaker 5 You know, they're trying to draw a penalty kick or whatever, but it's just, it's tough to watch sometimes.

Speaker 5 But when we see you guys like screaming at Marta because she's like flopping in the penalty box, despite the fact she wasn't touched, I like that. Like, I want to go to war for you guys.

Speaker 5 Like, why do you think that the women don't flop as much in the women's game?

Speaker 3 I don't know. I mean, I think because we've just got that mentality of just,

Speaker 3 you know, even for myself, I mean, I, you know, there's probably been times where I could have just went down in the box, drew a PK, but it's just,

Speaker 3 there's something about that, that edge of just, you know, trying to see the play out and not flopping. I mean, flopping on the men's side did go through

Speaker 3 quite a bit of

Speaker 3 it.

Speaker 3 It's gotten a bit better because

Speaker 3 they sort of have been changing the rules a little bit and referees are giving cards out now for players that are doing it. But yeah, you don't see it too often on the woman's side.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, the flopping and the time wasting at end of games always drives me nuts.

Speaker 1 When it's like the last 30 minutes soccer doesn't get played and it's just, you know, try, like actively trying, like walking as slowly as you can to the ball, and those type of things.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, game management is big, though. Yeah, I mean, we've, you know, we've rehearsed and practiced over the years of,

Speaker 3 hey, you know, if

Speaker 3 the one thing is, is when a goalkeeper goes down, they don't have to go off the field, right?

Speaker 3 So if there's something that needs to be said or communicated within, you know, a World Cup final and you can't get the communication out in time,

Speaker 3 just have a little signal, the goalkeeper goes down, and, you know, we've done it. We've done it quite a few times with goalkeeper.

Speaker 5 You can always just grab the back of your leg, pretend that you're having a cramp, and just sit down. There's not like a referee is not gonna be like, oh, you're faking a cramp.

Speaker 5 It's very, it's very tough to prove.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 3 And there's been often times where I'm like yelling at my keeper, and I'm like, why are you going down?

Speaker 1 They're like,

Speaker 3 it was a play.

Speaker 1 I had to. Yeah.
All right. So this is a loaded question.

Speaker 1 We watch soccer. I own a team.

Speaker 1 But like I said, I don't think soccer will ever be the number one sport in America.

Speaker 1 But what is it that people who don't like soccer or don't give it a shot, what do you think can like switch them over being like, hey, this is a great game?

Speaker 1 Is there anything that you can think of where if you met someone on the street and like, I don't like soccer, you're like, because I always am like, it's on in the morning a lot of times, and also there's, it's exactly two hours.

Speaker 1 That's my big thing. Yeah.
It's like exactly two hours.

Speaker 3 No, it's a, it's a lot of time for people to just sit down and watch.

Speaker 3 I mean, that's why I don't think that, you know, just a random person is just going to, you know, tune in on a Saturday morning and watch the English Premier League or watch an MLS game.

Speaker 3 It's mostly fans and, you know, avid

Speaker 3 super soccer fans that are watching these games. But it's just such a different culture.

Speaker 3 I mean, growing up in England, I got to play for Manchester City for three or four months there, and it is just such a culture. I mean, they grow up and it's like soccer.

Speaker 3 Here, you know, there's just so many other sports. And America's sport here is the NFL, football, the other football.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 But I don't know. It's exciting.
And I think, you know,

Speaker 3 the games are a bit long,

Speaker 3 but there's some incredible things that go on in the game. I mean, defending, the tactics.

Speaker 1 you know, scoring goals.

Speaker 5 I've got a real dumb idea that actually I think could work because Americans and sports sports fans, our brains are very simple.

Speaker 5 And what the NFL has discovered how to do is they just take every score and they make it worth six points instead of one. Why aren't goals worth five points? Or six points even? And bigger goals.

Speaker 5 Maybe seven points. We like scoring.

Speaker 1 That's really what it is.

Speaker 5 If a 2-0 game was 14-0, it's like, man,

Speaker 5 I missed a fucking shootout. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 I can't believe I did it. That'd be weird, though.

Speaker 3 But then it's like, how do you count somebody that has goals?

Speaker 3 If I finished up my career with 134 goals, but some goals were worth more than others, that would be.

Speaker 1 Wow, your records are going to unfortunately be screwed. Yeah, so sorry, you retired at the wrong time.

Speaker 1 But we do love scoring. You need more scoring.

Speaker 5 I just love points. I just love seeing points on a scoreboard.
It's that simple sometimes.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I get it. But it would change the game a whole lot.

Speaker 1 I also think someone needs to get good enough to just score every time from a corner kick. That would be so sick.
I don't know why they don't just bend it in.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's definitely an art. Yeah.

Speaker 5 So you grew up outside Philadelphia, right?

Speaker 5 So I saw you tried out for the Eagles a couple years ago. Is that still in the back of your head? Like, hey, maybe I'll, because you kicked, what, like, 55-yarder?

Speaker 1 I think so, yeah.

Speaker 5 Did anybody actually say from the Eagles or any other team, like, hey, we're interested in bringing you in for a workout?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, yeah. A couple of teams were like, hey, you know, you want to sign on for preseason.

Speaker 3 But I had... I had soccer.

Speaker 1 You had other stuff? Well, now you don't. What do you think?

Speaker 3 Now I don't. So

Speaker 3 there's a possibility. I mean, I can't say that I've been kicking a lot of soccer balls or footballs currently.

Speaker 3 But the thing is, is like, I know I can do it. You know, I know that I've broken down my soccer technique

Speaker 3 for my entire career. And

Speaker 3 it's a little different, but it's a little similar. So there'd be no different than to break down the technique for kicking.
And that day was just merely for fun.

Speaker 5 Yeah. I mean, 55 yards is no joke.
It's a bomb.

Speaker 3 And I had a lot of distance still on that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we've been good from what, 62? Run it up. I like that.

Speaker 5 We can get you a tryout with the Commanders. I'm on their Fan Ambassador program.
You probably heard about that.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 5 But yeah,

Speaker 5 I pull a considerable amount of sway with that organization if you're looking for a tryout.

Speaker 1 All right. Okay.
So,

Speaker 1 what's your favorite? Are you a fan of all Philly teams?

Speaker 5 I am.

Speaker 1 What's your favorite sport, not soccer?

Speaker 3 You know, I think it kind of changes. I would say that I watch a lot of NFL.
I do tune in for the Eagles a lot. That's always been a thing.
You know, my dad would watch

Speaker 3 all growing up, and I feel like, you know, I was daddy's little girl.

Speaker 3 And I would just, you know, sit down and watch as well.

Speaker 3 But I've gone to a bunch of Sixers games. Courtside's so fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what are your thoughts on Ben Simmons?

Speaker 1 Because I caught a little of that Philly accent that you have, and I just, whenever I catch a Philly accent, I just want to immediately ask the person, like, what do you think about Ben Simmons?

Speaker 1 Just be like, that fucking guy sucks.

Speaker 3 That might be a loaded question.

Speaker 1 Look,

Speaker 3 the way that I have approached my career, like, if people are going to talk

Speaker 3 bad about me, try to not enunciate that accent.

Speaker 3 I'm just going to stick it to them. You know, I'm going to prove them wrong.

Speaker 3 I love that. I love the pressure.
I invite pressure. And

Speaker 3 it just feels so good when you got people talking a whole lot of smack about you and you're just like, hey, I'm just trying to be the best that I can be, improve every single day.

Speaker 3 And that's the thing with Philly. You know, Philly fans are

Speaker 3 probably the hardest fans to play in front of.

Speaker 3 You don't ever want to piss them off. And Philly fans just want to see you working

Speaker 3 and just trying to be your best. So, yeah, it's a tough situation.

Speaker 3 I just think it's a generational shift with some athletes. You know, the mental toughness aspect of it is

Speaker 1 you got to just be be tough. Yeah, or at least try to grind the ball.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you try to dunk the ball.

Speaker 1 It's that simple.

Speaker 5 Like, at some point, sports break down to the point where us dumbasses that are watching it that are like, just dunk the ball, we actually become correct when it's about Ben Simmons.

Speaker 5 Because, like, it's that simple. He just got afraid to shoot.
Yeah. And then Philly was just kind of holding him accountable.

Speaker 1 Which is important. But I basketball.
I love. Yeah, it is important.

Speaker 5 I do love Philly fans. I think that it's the best sports town.
Oh, I mean, they're

Speaker 3 as real as they come. you know, and they'll be the first to praise you and they'll be the first to try to tear you down.

Speaker 3 But if they see your effort and they see, you know, you wearing your heart on your sleeve, they're all for it. I mean, Tyrese Maxie.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Incredible.

Speaker 3 Like, that for me is someone who's just taken advantage of an opportunity that just came about from the Ben Simmons situation. Yeah.
And he's ran with it. And he's a really fun player to watch.

Speaker 1 What's the one thing that someone wrote about you or said about you that like motivated you? Because I mean,

Speaker 1 people didn't, did people bash you?

Speaker 3 Oh, people bashed me my whole career. Yeah.
17 years. I think all the way up until I announced my retirement.
And then I was like, wow, I'm getting a lot of love.

Speaker 1 And where was this? People are really glad that you're gone. So, what was the main criticism? What was the criticism of your game that people would say, and you'd be like, fuck that?

Speaker 1 That's not at all how it goes.

Speaker 3 Oh, it was just, it was a lot of things. You know, it was just constant, you know, she can't do this.
She's a turnover machine.

Speaker 3 um she's not you know

Speaker 3 i don't know a good two-way player yeah there was a there was a and i hate to highlight this this article because you know you're highlighting people that probably don't deserve to be highlighted but there was this article that came out right before the 2015 world cup final it was on esp nation and it was titled something you know carly lloyd is the weirdest world-class athlete or something and it just went through everything that I was not good at, according to what they thought.

Speaker 3 And I remember reading that before the final.

Speaker 3 And then I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to stick it to them. You know, this is another

Speaker 3 thing that I can just, you know,

Speaker 3 prove people wrong. And

Speaker 3 went and scored three goals in that final.

Speaker 5 It's funny that you mentioned that because I was actually working at Espination in 2015.

Speaker 5 And when you said that there was a writer there that wrote something really shitty about you, I was like, wait, I don't think I, I don't think that was, but I remember this article.

Speaker 5 That's actually why I left Espination because this article was so mean

Speaker 5 that I was like, you know, I can't work for a publication like this. I'm joining Big Cat, and we're doing a podcast at Barstool.

Speaker 1 This is a funny article. I'm reading it right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a very weird article.

Speaker 3 And I actually, you know, had been successful up until this point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I say so.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I've scored a couple goals in Olympic finals.

Speaker 1 Yes, she will start against Japan on Sunday, and if you are a fan of the United States, she will piss you off.

Speaker 1 She will look utterly uncoordinated and touch the ball directly to Japan players at least a half dozen times in the first half.

Speaker 1 You will still wonder what the hell you're watching, how this is a world-class professional footballer, and if these mistakes will cost the Americans a World Cup, in roughly the 65th minute, she'll score a screamer from 25 yards, and the U.S.

Speaker 1 women's national team will win the World Cup because of it. So it's just basically a backhanded compliment being like, you score clutch goals, but you suck otherwise.

Speaker 1 Very weird.

Speaker 3 The block button for Twitter, even to this day, has come in very handy.

Speaker 1 You can't block. You got to mute.
Don't give them satisfaction.

Speaker 5 What about other teams and other players? Like, I can tell you you do have that Philly chip on your shoulder a little bit where you're going to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, she just literally quoted an exact article headline from 2015.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you use that as motivation.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, and that's the thing, like, you know, not to get back to the Ben Simmons thing, but just when athletes have an easy path and they don't really go through adversity from a young age and things aren't hard, you know, I'm seeing it with some of the players that are coming up now in the soccer pipeline.

Speaker 3 It's no different. You know, my journey was so hard.
I mean, I wasn't pegged as the next best thing.

Speaker 3 I went to a small, you know, soccer college at Rutgers University compared to the UNCs and Stanfords and UCLA players. So no one had me on their radar.

Speaker 3 So I just had to, you know, know, claw my way to the top slowly but surely. And it was hard.
And that's the most rewarding part.

Speaker 3 As hard as it was, if you do it right on and off the field, in the end, it's literally the most rewarding thing.

Speaker 5 So what was the most rewarding part about your career? If you were to pick, what, you had two World Cups, two Olympics, or was there something else?

Speaker 1 that was more rewarding.

Speaker 3 I just think the journey, everything. I mean,

Speaker 3 for me, the hard, hard moments were the moments that really propelled me to these successful moments. It was everything.

Speaker 3 I mean, I think if you pull one thing out, my journey wouldn't be the way that it was.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. What about

Speaker 1 this is a dumb question, but sometimes, you know, you guys would play teams that were not up to snuff. I remember the 13-0 Thailand game in the World Cup.
Is that fun or boring?

Speaker 1 Because it's like we all have that, not to equate our lives to world-class athletes like you, but like when you're playing Madden on EZ and it's like fun for a minute and then you're like, this is kind of boring.

Speaker 1 Did you ever have that where it's like, well, this is kind of boring. It's 13-0.

Speaker 3 Those games are tough. But when you're playing in a World Cup, you know, it's easy to get up for those games.

Speaker 3 When it's a friendly game,

Speaker 3 I know our women's national team just played Uzbekistan two games and they won 9-0, both of those.

Speaker 3 but I think when you have the mindset of there's a bigger picture here you know every training session every game no matter what it is I always approached it as a as a World Cup final yeah you know I was tackling and training friendly games I was till the very end last whistle is blown I was you know sprinting to save a ball so

Speaker 3 If you have that mindset, it's a little easier.

Speaker 3 The tough thing is, is when you have a player who who switches on and off. Yeah.
It's hard to all of a sudden switch on and be ready for those moments.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 would like the majority of your teammates say, you know, Carly was a real

Speaker 5 prick in practice, but we needed that? Or were there like some relationships that you had where people could not handle that intensity?

Speaker 3 I think players would would basically say I was just ruthless.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 they knew that no matter what team I was on, whether it was a 5v5 team or whether it was, you know, the starting group versus the non-starting group and I'm on the non-starting group, I'm coming for you, you know, clean.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to do anything that's going to send anyone with a career-ending injury. But

Speaker 3 that kind of instilled

Speaker 3 the way the rest of the training sessions and games went.

Speaker 3 When people, when you see someone tackling and the players that I looked up to, you know, Shannon Box, Abby Wombach, I mean, all these players,

Speaker 1 they would run through a brick wall.

Speaker 3 So when you see those players doing that, you have to do it. You have to follow.
So that's what I always tried to kind of help instill within the group.

Speaker 1 Is it hard for

Speaker 1 the U.S.

Speaker 1 national team, and this could be for men's and women's, but you spend the tryout phase competing against each other, I would assume, and like everyone's trying to get that spot on the roster and then flipping the switch and being like, oh, we're friends now?

Speaker 1 Is that a difficult transition? Very.

Speaker 3 It's weird. I mean, we're all basically competing.
You know, there's 23 players that make a World Cup roster. There's 18 that make an Olympic roster, which they may be in the midst of changing that.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, you know, technically,

Speaker 3 you're teammates, you're supposed to have a camaraderie,

Speaker 3 but then you may be left off a roster. But for me, it was always, you know, my competition was no one but myself.

Speaker 3 And when you start to compare and point fingers and say, oh, well, I'm better at this than that player. And, well, oh, she's a little bit better than me at that.

Speaker 3 You just

Speaker 3 take yourself down a really, really mentally challenging.

Speaker 1 And I know it happens in other sports. I mean, obviously like NFL training camp, but at least in NFL training camp, there's, you know, who the starters are all going to be kind of going into it.

Speaker 1 It's the edge of the roster.

Speaker 1 I feel like in soccer, you could be good one second and then the next second and be like, oh, nope, they're over the hill.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 that's why I always tell people it's hard to get to the top, but it's even harder and harder and harder to stay there and to keep elevating your game.

Speaker 3 Because, you know, for myself, you know, the more success I had,

Speaker 3 I had to keep pushing it on and on. I mean, I score a hat-trick in a World Cup final and everyone's like expecting that all the time,

Speaker 3 which it doesn't happen all the time. But that's what's really hard.

Speaker 3 And that's what you're going to kind of see over the course of, I don't know, the next five, ten years with some of these players, in particular on the women's national team.

Speaker 3 Who is going to be the most mentally tough to be able to withstand the highs, the lows? Because one moment you may be feeling on top of the world, and then quickly you're going to be

Speaker 3 falling down the mountain and having to get back up again. And there's so many different variables.

Speaker 5 So if we're talking about passing the torch,

Speaker 5 who are we looking at on the women's national team right now? Who did Carly pass the torch to?

Speaker 3 You know, Mallory Pugh's doing really well.

Speaker 3 Happy to see. I feel like she's finally in a good place.
And,

Speaker 3 you know, you've got the front three, Sophia Smith, Katerina Macario, who's playing in that, you know, number nine position where I was playing.

Speaker 3 The likes of Lindsey Huran,

Speaker 3 Sam Mewis,

Speaker 3 Rose Lavelle, Ashley Sanchez.

Speaker 1 Rose Belle on the show, and she's also a badger. I'm a badger, so

Speaker 5 she was dominant in the last World Cup. She's just so fast.

Speaker 3 She is. She's very silky, smooth.

Speaker 3 You know, but these players got to stay healthy. That's number one.

Speaker 3 And it's a grind. You know, that's why you say, you know,

Speaker 3 what made you want to retire? I mean, I feel so less stressed in life.

Speaker 3 Don't get me wrong, I love the pressure. I was in the pressure cooker for 20 years.

Speaker 3 But there's just such a refreshing feel knowing, yeah,

Speaker 3 I'm not in the pressure cooker.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you own the team now.

Speaker 1 That's a pretty good feeling.

Speaker 5 Yeah, you are the pressure cooker.

Speaker 1 You're no longer in it. People see you and they're like, oh, here comes the pressure.
Right.

Speaker 3 So it's that, that is the tell-all with the lengthy careers that people are going to have if they're able to withstand the mental aspect of the game.

Speaker 5 What would you do to fix the U.S. men's national team? I know we made the World Cup this year, which is an improvement.
I'm glad to see that we're actually in it this year.

Speaker 5 And we've got a good young team. Some are saying the golden generation.
I don't know. But what would you do as a successful international soccer player? What do you see on the men's side?

Speaker 5 And you're like, this is how we need to fix this?

Speaker 3 I don't think there's one thing.

Speaker 3 You know, the men's World Cup has been around a lot longer than the women's World Cup. That's just, that's the history.
And so

Speaker 3 the men are competing against other countries where soccer is the number one sport in their country. They grow up with a ball at their feet.

Speaker 3 You know, here in America, you got baseball, you got wrestling, football, basketball. There's so many other different sports.
So, what we're finding now with the men's team,

Speaker 3 a lot of these players are playing in Europe, which is good.

Speaker 3 And it's a younger generation.

Speaker 3 They're doing well.

Speaker 3 The qualifying, you know, was not the easiest thing. It's very tough.
It's very gruesome.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 they have a favorable draw. So it's really up to them.
I mean, I'm not too concerned with them getting out of the group.

Speaker 3 The knockout rounds are really going to be interesting.

Speaker 5 We have to win one of those games against Iran or whatever the team's going to be, Ukraine or Scotland. Yeah, and then Pincil in Ukraine,

Speaker 3 I wouldn't want that.

Speaker 5 That wouldn't fuck with Ukraine either. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Mentally tough.

Speaker 3 There's a lot more that Ukraine is obviously fighting for.

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Speaker 1 Most important question. I should have said this at the start, but I didn't want to ruin the interview if your answer is incorrect.
Messi or Ronaldo?

Speaker 3 I respect.

Speaker 3 The amount of work that Ronaldo puts in.

Speaker 1 I like you. Yep, this is good.
This is good. This is going in a good direction.

Speaker 3 Because he does. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 I sort of, it reminds me, you know, kind of the way that I approach my career. I mean, he's top-notch pro.

Speaker 3 But Messi, I mean,

Speaker 3 what the guy's done on the fields,

Speaker 3 it's magic. You know, you don't see that in a player.
And I don't know when and if we will ever see a player that is quite like Messi again.

Speaker 3 Maybe not in my generation or our generation.

Speaker 1 You officially know soccer.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Messi.

Speaker 1 You know ball. You know ball.

Speaker 3 And I would love to see Messi go back to Barcelona if that's even possible.

Speaker 5 It's weird seeing.

Speaker 1 He doesn't seem happy.

Speaker 5 I don't like it when players switch teams later on in their careers. It's just, I get used to it.

Speaker 5 And as someone who barely watches any international club soccer, I get very confused when I see somebody wearing a

Speaker 5 Perry Senator Mann jersey or whatever.

Speaker 3 I know, and a different in number 30, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's not right.

Speaker 3 It just was unfortunate how it happened.

Speaker 5 What about on the women's side? Who's the GOAT?

Speaker 3 You know, that is to be determined. Okay.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Because you're not retired yet.

Speaker 3 Well, you got to prove it to me. Like, you got to earn the GOAT label.
I mean, you know, no one's achieved anything yet. So

Speaker 3 in 10 years, maybe I'll come back on here and can let you know

Speaker 3 who my goat would be.

Speaker 1 I say Mia.

Speaker 5 I think Mia is the GOAT.

Speaker 1 Oh, so former players, not current players who are

Speaker 1 all-time GOATs.

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 3 there's a ton. I mean, Michelle Akers.

Speaker 1 There's got to be one. There's one goat.

Speaker 5 The greatest of all time.

Speaker 3 I would say

Speaker 3 probably Michelle Akers.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 3 Yeah, she just

Speaker 3 talk about somebody that would run through a brick wall, you know, play on one leg if she had to. She scored in some of the biggest moments.

Speaker 3 She was definitely somebody I looked up to.

Speaker 1 Okay, and you answered the

Speaker 1 question correctly. It's messy over Ronaldo.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it's not even close. It's like one just stands outside the box and taps it in, and one is just, you know,

Speaker 1 he makes love with a soccer ball. Oh, my heart.

Speaker 3 Hey, Ronaldo's done really well, though, throughout his career. The older he's gotten to adjust his game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just making sure he takes every penalty kick. Yep.
You're right. He scored a free kick the other day.
He did. That's what he did.
I just pretended to not see that one.

Speaker 5 Now, take Messi and then add like 50 pounds to him and then also have him do an eight ball of cocaine before every game. And that's Maradona.

Speaker 1 He's Michael.

Speaker 3 I know. Maradona.
I'm so happy and lucky that I was able to meet him several times.

Speaker 3 And I actually,

Speaker 3 the one grateful thing that

Speaker 3 I have with Maradona is he megged me.

Speaker 1 Really? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 I got megged by Maradona. That's pretty nice.
Probably one of my professed moments.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. Well, Carly, thank you so much for stopping by, and we appreciate it very much.

Speaker 3 Hey, it was great to chat with you guys.

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Speaker 1 Okay, let's finish up. We got Fire Fest of the week.
We'll send everyone on the way.

Speaker 1 Great interview coming on Monday. Cowboy Joe West.

Speaker 5 Very excited about that.

Speaker 1 So awesome.

Speaker 5 A lot of stories.

Speaker 1 A lot of stories.

Speaker 5 Legend.

Speaker 1 Legend of the game. Great week coming up.
We got Cowboy Joe West. Then we're going to have Biz on Wednesday for some Stanley Cup talk.

Speaker 5 If he's not too tired out from his one live stream that he'll be doing on Tuesday.

Speaker 1 Yes. And then on Friday, we have Eddie Hearn, who is in studio, which I love that interview.
He's a very good person.

Speaker 5 Anytime you have anybody with a British accent. Yep.
It doesn't matter what they say.

Speaker 1 And also Randy Moss, who will be on to talk about the Kentucky Derby. All right.
So it's going to be a great week for part of my take next week. Firefest of the week.
What?

Speaker 2 I was going to say, shout out to the Biz and Chicklets guys I got.

Speaker 1 They got the great one. They did.

Speaker 5 It was a great interview.

Speaker 1 We should actually just do our entire interview with Biz, just asking him questions about Wayne Gretzky.

Speaker 5 That was my plan.

Speaker 1 And then we can be like, we got Wayne Gretzky.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Did Wayne, did he,

Speaker 5 did you have to ask him politely to have him let you off the leash to come out here? He's basically Wayne's puppy dog right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he is. He is.
All right.

Speaker 5 Hank, your Fire Fest of the Week.

Speaker 2 I was walking home from the train station to my apartment the other day, big public transportation guy, as you guys know,

Speaker 2 and it was like muggy, raining.

Speaker 2 And I walked by the barbershop and it kind of just struck me. I was like, I'm going to go see if there's any, you know, openings, like if I can just walk right in and get a haircut.
I did.

Speaker 2 Luckily, there was an opening. I sit down at the chair and like my allergies just kind of hit me.
And I was sitting there getting my hair cut, but my nose

Speaker 2 was just constantly running. And I had to ask for a tissue, but then it just wouldn't stop.
And it was so awkward because, like, have you guys tried to hold in

Speaker 2 like snot coming out of your nose? Like, it's one of the most painful and hard things that you can ever have your body do. Yep.
And I had to just sit there and it was just awkward.

Speaker 2 It was like one of those things where she would turn around to switch blades or something. And I would just try and wipe my nose real quick.

Speaker 2 And I was just sitting there the whole time trying to concentrate and just not let it drip out of my nose. And it was just, it was a painful experience.

Speaker 5 Was there any sneezing? No sneezing.

Speaker 5 I thought you were going to say that you were getting your haircut and you sneezed, and then the clippers slipped, and that's why you've been wearing a hat all week.

Speaker 2 No, no, this was two days ago.

Speaker 1 You guys haven't seen my haircut. Can we see it? Can we see it? Let's see it.
Do a haircut reveal.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 looking good, Hank. What the fuck?

Speaker 1 Wow. Jet hat hair.
Hat hair.

Speaker 5 Handsome boy.

Speaker 1 What could our reaction have been?

Speaker 1 It looks good. I like it, Hank.
You have a nice haircut. You're a beautiful boy.

Speaker 5 Your nose also seems like it's doing okay now.

Speaker 1 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 5 You get that clogged up.

Speaker 5 Are you on the hard stuff? Are you on the affron?

Speaker 2 No, I've never messed around with that stuff. I've heard too much.
Yeah, my friends have had some tough stories.

Speaker 5 You lost a lot of good men.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yep. Don't do it.
I'm not trying to lend bias myself. All right.

Speaker 1 You got a good fire fest. Wow.
Too soon, bro. Yeah, come on, Hank.

Speaker 1 It's draft night, man.

Speaker 1 Can't do that.

Speaker 1 All right, PFT, your fire fest.

Speaker 5 My fire fest of the week is, it happened to me earlier today. It's also involving public transportation.

Speaker 5 I was on the subway to work, and there was a guy that was sitting next to me, obviously in a bad state mentally.

Speaker 1 Physically, why is that obvious?

Speaker 5 Well, I'm saying it was obvious to me that he was in a bad state mentally and physically.

Speaker 5 There were like a lot of outbursts. He was yelling at stuff.
He was like flinching a lot. Just a guy that's down on his luck.
I'll put it that way.

Speaker 5 And so I'm standing about a seat and a a half away from where he's sitting because it's kind of a packed train.

Speaker 5 And we get to a stop, and he stands up, and he just starts yelling, and he looks at me, and he like swipes his hand at me. And so

Speaker 5 I'm just like looking at him, making sure that he's not going to actually do anything. And then he just cocks his head back and he spits on me.

Speaker 1 Oh, no fucking way.

Speaker 5 Just spits on me.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God, man. Now,

Speaker 5 you may call me a lib, but I was wearing my mask on the train, not because I'm afraid of COVID, but I'm afraid of this exact situation.

Speaker 5 And I'm very lucky I was wearing my mask on the train at that point.

Speaker 5 And then he took like a step towards me. And to my surprise, I like took a step towards him.
I don't know.

Speaker 5 I wasn't even thinking about it, but I was like, I guess we're going to do this on the train right now. Because I was so mad because he had just spit on me.
And then I realized, oh, this is like.

Speaker 5 This is a 50-year-old guy that's obviously like somewhat incapacitated, not in a good mental state.

Speaker 5 So I just like took a few steps back and stared him him down just to make sure he wasn't going to come at me anymore. And the most embarrassing part about this was like it was a packed train.

Speaker 5 And so everybody was watching me being like, shit, what's this guy going to do? I'm pretty sure there were some AWLs on the train.

Speaker 5 And if you're listening to this right now,

Speaker 5 that guy's lucky I didn't do anything. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That guy's lucky. That's true.
That's facts. The best part is

Speaker 2 probably no one else around you reacted or like really did.

Speaker 1 No, that's New York City. They were probably just like, oh.
That's like when you get on the train. That wasn't me.

Speaker 1 One of the best things about New York City, you get on a train and you like see as the train goes by, there's open seats.

Speaker 1 And then you get on the train and then you realize the open seats are because someone's like sleeping and has been there for a long time. And it's just everyday occurrence.
It doesn't really matter.

Speaker 5 I got on a train like that a couple summers ago. It was a hot train.
When you step on one of those, you're like, oh, this is hot. Oh, this is why it's empty.
This is why it's empty.

Speaker 5 But the doors shut on me before I really realize how hot the train was. And then I looked down in the corner.
And there was just shit on the ground.

Speaker 5 So

Speaker 5 I had to ride underground in a hot train with shit on it.

Speaker 1 You realize it very quickly. If there's open seats on a New York City subway, it's not just like, oh, this is my lucky day.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's something going on that everyone else has figured out.

Speaker 5 I wiped myself down, made sure it was all off me, but it was,

Speaker 5 you play Russian roulette every time you get on a subway train. It was my turn.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm officially now a New Yorker. Hey, better you.
Than someone who couldn't have defended themselves. Agreed.
Like you didn't defend yourself. Agreed.

Speaker 5 I did take a step towards you. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 The step, the steps. That made it important.

Speaker 5 I probably saved everybody else on that train from getting spat on.

Speaker 5 Where'd the spit hit you? The spit hit me on my in his mouth. It hit me on my shoulder, hit me on my backpack.

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 5 I was clothed, so I didn't feel that

Speaker 5 I didn't feel where it hit, but it definitely got my shoulder, got my forearm, got my backpack. Damn.
I don't think it got on my face, but I'm, again, was wearing the mask. Mask up, people.

Speaker 5 I should start a mask awareness campaign

Speaker 5 just for homeless people spitting on you.

Speaker 1 Yes. All right.
My Fire Fest is I'm back in the gym. I'm trying, boys.
I'm playing basketball. Shout out Swish House and Paul, who's been training me.
But I had the moment, I went there

Speaker 1 and we warmed up. And after the warm-up, he was like, all right, you ready to start? And I was already like sweating in gas.
And I was like,

Speaker 1 I thought that was it.

Speaker 5 Yeah, but that's your second win.

Speaker 1 It's very embarrassing to be completely gassed by a warm-up.

Speaker 1 Like completely gassed by a warm-up. And then, because it's not, it wasn't even a crazy warm-up.
It was just like getting some shots up and doing some stretching.

Speaker 1 And I was, you know, like when you take the bands out and you have to do the stretching with the bands,

Speaker 5 cashed. The worst part.

Speaker 1 Completely cashed.

Speaker 5 When you start to get back into working out after taking a while off, the worst part by far is the soreness that you get in your legs.

Speaker 5 I'm not talking like later on that day, not the next day, but you'll be sore like three days later in your legs from your first worst.

Speaker 1 So, and it's it's basketball, so I'm like getting shots up, and so I was gassed from the warm-up, and then there was like drills we were doing where I had to make a certain amount of shots at a specific point in the court to go on.

Speaker 1 I must have spent like three and a half minutes with the corner shot. Like, I just couldn't get out of it.
It's a tough shot. I was in a torture chamber.

Speaker 5 So, with

Speaker 1 my legs, were just like, they were jelly.

Speaker 5 It's funny how dumb us guys are because you can make it, you can put us through a really, really hard workout, and we'll complain non-stop about it.

Speaker 5 But if you just put a ball in our hands while we do it and ask us to play,

Speaker 5 it's way easier.

Speaker 1 It's why the Swish House is like a genius idea.

Speaker 5 But I've got a business idea. Maybe you could talk to them about this.

Speaker 5 It's kind of along the same lines, but it's a therapist, but you just play catch with your therapist while you're opening up to them about your feelings. Okay,

Speaker 5 that's how guys talk to each other.

Speaker 1 Yes, I like it. Or just a therapist while watching a football game.

Speaker 5 Yeah, exactly. Just give us something to do

Speaker 1 with sports. Yes.

Speaker 1 But yeah, it was a bad scene to get gassed by a warm-up and then also just have jelly legs constantly.

Speaker 1 And also, just a side note, fuck you to like everyone on Twitter who's being really a negative Nancy, who, when I tweet a picture that I'm like playing basketball, they're like, Achilles soon.

Speaker 1 ACL soon. Why would you wish that evil on me? Yeah.
Why?

Speaker 1 Everyone does. I'm sure.

Speaker 1 That's an Achilles.

Speaker 5 Can we at least have the cameras rolling while you work out? So, in case you do time subground yourself, we're going to be able to get some content out of it.

Speaker 1 It would be bad. It would be bad.
Some would just say, let me just. Ball is life.

Speaker 5 Some would say that it would be karma for all the injury videos that you love watching.

Speaker 1 I mean, I've hurt myself many times in my life, so I've already cashed in a lot of karma.

Speaker 5 Payback to the community.

Speaker 1 So you're one of those guys, and you're hoping I get hurt.

Speaker 5 I don't hope that. No, I don't.
But it'd be awesome if it was on tape.

Speaker 1 Well, you're going to say, yeah, I mean, obviously, if I get hurt,

Speaker 1 I would be way more pissed if it wasn't on tape than actually getting hurt. What were you going to say, Hank?

Speaker 2 This is nothing to do with this conversation, but I saw Ahmad Sauce Gardner's Instagram bio, and it's child of God, empath, Detroit.

Speaker 1 Oh, I love that pic. Love it.
All my empaths out there.

Speaker 5 Shout out. Only empaths understand that you can feel things about other people.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The war in Ukraine has been tough for all of us empaths.

Speaker 5 Really, really tough.

Speaker 1 Billy, finish us off.

Speaker 5 So I was at the dog park late at night. I like to go.

Speaker 1 That's actually good because if you watch PM TV, he alluded to this.

Speaker 5 So I was out there late at night. I like to go there late because there's no one there.
So me and my dog can just play catch. I can really air it out and he can get going.
He's not dog aggressive.

Speaker 5 It's just other dogs. Sounds like the dogs.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's no other dogs. That's only what he sounds like.

Speaker 5 Other dogs don't like him, so he gets harassed. The dog.
So he's the victim in this. He's always the victim.
This sounds a lot like...

Speaker 5 all the millennial parents out there that are like, my child's a special snowflake. No, it's your kids that are the problem.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 I hope Billy gets a fucking like like karen canceled calling the cops because because whitey got attacked yeah no seriously the video of the in hope home depot there's like a two dogs fight and one of the ladies was like get that dog's name well like not the owner's name if you watch the video If you watch the video, that was a classic example of a little dog attacking a big dog and the big dog doing what it's supposed to do.

Speaker 1 The little dogs are the worst.

Speaker 5 All these people, they get these little Australian shepherds that are not good domestic dogs. They are shepherds.

Speaker 5 And then they get poodles too in different little poodle mixes, and they're hunting dogs, and they have them running around as though they're like supposed to be nice house dogs, but they're a literal hunting dogs.

Speaker 5 Anyway, I'm going on a rant.

Speaker 1 Those are the dogs that's golden doodles. All right, so your dog's getting picked on because he's a pussy.

Speaker 5 Exactly, and I've trained him well to never show aggression on how to be a pussy.

Speaker 1 Wait, so you basically trained your dog to like never fight for itself?

Speaker 5 Exactly, because he's the type of dog that would get improperly stereotyped if something did happen, like in that Home Depot video.

Speaker 1 If there is anything that I will give Billy credit for, it's like me and him live a block away from each other. We hang out sometimes.
Trained his dog extremely well. All right, good job.

Speaker 1 A very well-trained dog.

Speaker 5 Except for the fact that it gets its ass kicked all the time.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but...

Speaker 1 It never fights back.

Speaker 5 For example, that's one of those things that the dog picked up from its owner. You know how some dogs can be racist because they see their owner.

Speaker 5 Billy's dog sees Billy never defending himself against smaller aggressors. It's like, oh, that's how I'm supposed to behave as a man.

Speaker 1 Wait, you're saying some dogs might be racist, like Billy's dog Whitey? No, no, stop.

Speaker 5 No, because basically, I much rather.

Speaker 1 Did you ever think of naming your dog Whitey? I named him after my little uncle who bred bulldogs.

Speaker 5 Wait, you told me that you named him after Whitey Ford.

Speaker 5 Right, but you just hear it called Whitey, but it's a funny old name that doesn't get used anymore. So Whitey Ford and also that Whitey just makes sense.
It's two Whiteys. Yeah.

Speaker 5 It's an old Irish name.

Speaker 1 It's funny.

Speaker 1 Anyway.

Speaker 5 I'd much rather have a pussy dog or a dog that bites someone and then has to get put down. That's just the facts.
Anyway, I'm at the dog park late at night. We're all alone.
It's like 12 a.m.

Speaker 5 Guy get him his exercise before he sleep. Having a great time.
All of a sudden, there is a lady

Speaker 5 who gives off homeless vibes. I cannot for sure.
confirm she's homeless.

Speaker 5 Starts creeping around the dog park. Don't know what she's doing.
She's minding her business. I'm minding mine.

Speaker 5 She's bent over by a tree by the street. I'm like, okay, whatever.
Don't mind too much of it. Don't know what she's doing.
Kind of thought she was using the bathroom.

Speaker 5 And I was like, fair, it's the park. You know, do what you got to do.

Speaker 5 So then I'm leaving the park. As I'm walking away from the park, I look over to where she was squatting, and there was a big pentagram etched into the ground.

Speaker 5 And if you don't know what a pentagram is, it is a star with a circle around it. It is satanic imagery.

Speaker 1 It's upside down.

Speaker 1 No, it's the right side.

Speaker 5 Exhibit A? Exhibit A. You just drew a star.
I'm pretty sure that's a good idea.

Speaker 1 Is there an exhibit B? There we go. No, but it is.

Speaker 1 Isn't that what

Speaker 2 sheriffs wear on their shirts?

Speaker 5 No, no. She was probably supporting law enforcement.

Speaker 1 You have an exhibit A, but no exhibit B?

Speaker 5 She's etched into the ground.

Speaker 1 I don't know what...

Speaker 5 Literally, the thing is,

Speaker 5 these things sketch me out. I'm a little superstitious.
It's like kind of

Speaker 5 like,

Speaker 5 it's a witch symbol. It's 100% a witch symbol.
I saw a witch in the park, and I don't know what the sign was. I don't know if she was cursing me.
I don't know what it was.

Speaker 1 If you only had a dog that could take out a witch,

Speaker 1 let me see if I can sum this up. All right, so Billy's at the dog park with his non-racist dog named Whitey.

Speaker 1 It's not who gets bullied all the time, and then he saw a woman and was like, oh, that must be a witch. Did I get that?

Speaker 5 She drew an image which is closely related to satanic imagery. I did a lot of research on the the symbol because it freaked me out.
So I was up all night researching it.

Speaker 2 It's kind of interesting though, like maybe something worth...

Speaker 5 Like pursuing witchcraft myself? Yeah. No, that stuff's too much.
Actually, Warlock when it's man, a Wiccan.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so what I'm taking from this is that Billy is cursed. Yeah, so if something bad happens, you're cursed by a witch.
I need to find the witch to reverse the curse.

Speaker 1 Downgrade the Jets draft.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I was going to say, like, that does not bode well for your night tonight. Uh-uh.

Speaker 5 And then I ate deli meat before I went to bed.

Speaker 2 Tail night one to eight in Hutchinson's mom. Where, where was this lady ranking?

Speaker 5 I didn't see her face, she was in a hood. Well, how do you know it was a woman? I actually don't.
You start tails.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 5 she had a woman figure.

Speaker 1 Could have been a dude.

Speaker 5 Dude, no, but like slight shoulders.

Speaker 1 So, describe a woman figure.

Speaker 5 No shoulders.

Speaker 1 Hey.

Speaker 1 You have a beard. Drew Timmy? Yeah, wait.
Could have been Drew Timmy.

Speaker 5 What were the hips like? Shorter. She was in a giant sweatshirt with no shoulders.
So that was my so a giant sweatshirt. You could not see the outline of the body.

Speaker 1 Was it a shirt?

Speaker 1 Wearing a hood.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 I don't know if you can say definitively this was a woman.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 5 I don't know what it was. It could have been the, I don't know, but it was there.
And the thing is, I swear to God, a lot of people were like, you drew that yourself.

Speaker 5 I'm like, no, dude, I would not bring that evil upon me. It's a Billy Witch project.
Exactly. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Now Now you got to go back out there and try to find her. Get her on the show.

Speaker 5 Please reverse the curse. Yeah, we probably do have some Wiccan listeners.

Speaker 5 If you're a witch,

Speaker 5 please get in touch. Yeah.
It's an emergency for Billy. Yes.

Speaker 1 Oh, look at that. The commercial right there, Billy.
There's a witch on TV. There's a commercial.
Oh, my God. There's a fucking witch on the commercial.

Speaker 5 For those at home, I think it's the five-hour energy commercial with the witch. Red Bull.

Speaker 1 Red Bull. Red Bull.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God, Billy. They're on to you.
That's exactly. And there's Chris Paul.
He's a witch, too.

Speaker 1 Chris Paul is so dirty. Did you see him kick that guy in the nuts? Alvarado? He kicked him in the nuts.
Game five.

Speaker 5 I did not see that.

Speaker 1 He just jumped. He did a jumper and just fucking swiftly kicked him in the nuts.

Speaker 5 After the game, Alvarado was like, well, yeah, Chris Paul is a great player, but now he knows my name.

Speaker 1 That's true.

Speaker 1 Kind of true.

Speaker 1 Maybe not, though.

Speaker 1 He really pissed him off. I mean, he pissed him off to the point.
You know Chris Paul's mad when he kicks you in the nuts because that's like his patented move.

Speaker 5 But he does that to so many people, he can't possibly possibly remember everyone's name.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I love, I love Alvarado.
Poor Pelicans. All right.

Speaker 1 Although, not really poor Pelicans. They won like 36 games.
Zion's coming back next year. Zion's coming back.
7.

Speaker 5 68. 22.

Speaker 5 What's a good witch number? 13.

Speaker 5 That's my birthday.

Speaker 1 I have a feeling.

Speaker 5 13.

Speaker 1 94.

Speaker 5 Sam Hubbard

Speaker 1 see everyone Monday. Thank you.

Speaker 2 We don't know.

Speaker 5 The Russians have trained dolphins to patrol harbors in Crimea. Love you guys.

Speaker 5 Okay,

Speaker 1 Shy it away

Speaker 1 Oh, I'll be coming for your love, okay.

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Speaker 1 Thirdly, learning that life is okay.

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Speaker 1 You're all things I've got to remember.

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Speaker 1 I'll be coming for you anyway.

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