Bruce Pearl, Falcons HC Arthur Smith, Carson Wentz To DC And March Madness

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Speaker 1 Welcome to part of my take presented by Chevy. Today is Friday, March 11th, and Carson Wentz is a Washington Commander.
PFT, the floor is yours.

Speaker 6 In the last 24 hours, I've gone through what some may call mental gymnastics. I started out

Speaker 6 despondent, to say the least.

Speaker 6 I didn't know how to react in the moment. I said a lot of things in the past about Carson Wentz.
I think we both have.

Speaker 6 And this was the universe just proving to me that karma is real and that if you say something mean enough about somebody enough times, eventually you'll have to trick yourself into rooting for that person.

Speaker 6 I've given myself some time to think about it. A lot of things get said in the heat of battle, battle, in the fog of war, but now I'm coming up for air.

Speaker 6 I've had some time to think it through logically, and I've reached this point in my bargaining stage where

Speaker 6 I think I'm the biggest Carson Wentz super fan in the world right now.

Speaker 6 And I did, so what I was doing yesterday, I'm a big like logic over emotions guy. Facts don't care about your feelings, right? Yes.

Speaker 6 I was feeling like I wanted to throw muriatic acid in my eyes yesterday. I was feeling like I wanted to go get all of my hair cut off, which I almost did.
Big Cat talked me out of it.

Speaker 1 And you got a great haircut, by the way. Just as a side note, if you're watching on the YouTube,

Speaker 1 go subscribe to our YouTube channel. The Great PM TV episode was out on Wednesday.
Your haircut is phenomenal.

Speaker 6 Thank you. And you know what I always appreciate about whenever I get a haircut? Hank always gasses me up.

Speaker 6 Hank's a hype man, and he's always like, you should do the Jon Snow. Hank loves it when I do the Jon Snow.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, no, you stark. You look something.
You look good. You were a fan.

Speaker 1 First, you were going to get it all cut off. I was like, please don't do that.
This is your brand. I was Britney Spears.
Yeah, and then you were like, I'm going going to get a mullet.

Speaker 1 And I was like, please don't do that because then you would just be the beer guy who is, you know, an 18-year-old, 29-year-old. He's a documentary.
Yeah, he's just a 10-year-younger version of myself.

Speaker 1 And then you went third option, which is just an awesome haircut.

Speaker 6 Well, I just, I needed to trim the split ends off anyways. But the bottom line is I went through a nervous breakdown yesterday.

Speaker 6 I was in shock. My face went pale.
Didn't know what to do. Adam Schafter started high-stepping on my grave, which looking back on it, he fucking knew when we interviewed Schafter.

Speaker 6 He kept bringing it up.

Speaker 1 He brought it back.

Speaker 3 I was laughing about it, thinking about it. You guys were talking, and then he brought it back.

Speaker 1 He's like, what about Carson Wentz in Washington? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So I was feeling bad yesterday, but there are some good facts about Carson Wentz that I can bring up. And where I'm at right now, I'm just, I'm fully invested in thinking about his ceiling.

Speaker 6 He's a big ceiling guy. Yes.
His ceiling is better than any quarterback in that division. Now, all we have to do is to get him to play at his ceiling on an average basis.

Speaker 6 Make his ceiling his average, and then I'm happy.

Speaker 1 The ceiling is the roof.

Speaker 6 The ceiling, yeah, we need to raise the roof a little bit. To the ceiling.
All the way up to the ceiling.

Speaker 6 And I think that as long as we draft a quarterback, because we only gave up two third-round picks, essentially, again,

Speaker 6 Big Cat, he was drafted second overall. Dude,

Speaker 1 so when it happened, I knew you were going through a crisis.

Speaker 1 I think the thing that I tried to calm you down on, which probably didn't help, was I was like, dude, you're going to sell yourself on this.

Speaker 1 I sold myself on Mike Glennon, which probably is not a great analogy there, but I did. So I was thinking about it.
It's like I could have done better as a friend. So as a friend, I asked,

Speaker 1 who I've shouted out before, Stat Hole Sports, who does a great job. Go follow him on Twitter.
He's our

Speaker 1 wonky stat guy.

Speaker 1 I asked him to do a report for me to present to you on Carson Wentz to spin it. towards a good thing.

Speaker 6 Okay, I've got a couple things that I'll bring up, and then I'll let you get to the report.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 6 Blind resume season, okay? Yep. Which quarterback would you rather have? A guy that has gotten two MVP votes or a guy that has gotten zero MVP votes? Definitely the two.
There we go.

Speaker 6 Okay, so now to unveil it, Carson Wentz was the guy that has received MVP votes. Russell Wilson was the guy that hasn't.

Speaker 1 Carson Wentz has as many MVP votes as sprained ankles that he had at the same time last year.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so that actually dovetails into nothing. He was injured last year when he played.
We're getting a healthy Carson Wentz.

Speaker 1 Double sprained ankle.

Speaker 6 That has had,

Speaker 6 by the time training camp kicks off, he'll have had probably seven, eight months to recover from both sprained ankles. Which I still know which one was worse.

Speaker 1 Yeah, did he, it was like, did he play a football game or was he in a car crash?

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, I think he's the only person to ever have sprained. That's a hilarious injury.

Speaker 1 That's like an elevator or car crash injury. Yeah.
Double sprained ankles.

Speaker 6 Also, six times in Washington history has a quarterback thrown 27 or more TDs. Wentz has done it three times in six seasons.
Love it. In the history of the franchise, we've only had it six times.

Speaker 6 Also, Carson Wentz has never played with a receiver as good as Terry McLaurin. That's a fact.
He's got a weapon now. That's a fact.

Speaker 6 I just think that there's a big ceiling for the guy. He doesn't throw interceptions.

Speaker 1 He only threw seven last year?

Speaker 6 He threw seven interceptions. That's three less than everybody's poster child for great NFC Beast quarterback Stack Prescott.

Speaker 6 So, again.

Speaker 1 You mean Black Kirk Cousins?

Speaker 6 Black Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 1 Is that a real thing? I don't don't think so. There was a rumor that

Speaker 1 Amari Cooper told Dak Prescott after the loss in the playoffs that he was black Kirk Cousins. Why can't Kirk Cousins be black Kirk Cousins? That's just a very funny rumor to start.

Speaker 6 Get into a race thing, but I've never seen a black man grill with aluminum foil underneath him. That's true.
I don't think that that happens.

Speaker 1 That's true. Are you ready for my report? Yes, please.
Okay. All right.
So, again, Stad Hole Sports, shout him out. He's great on Twitter.
He has a great

Speaker 1 whole breakdown of Josh Allen and how incredible Josh Allen is. So go read that.
All right, Carson Wentz.

Speaker 1 In the last 20 years, Carson Wentz is actually the best quarterback the Washington football team franchise will have. So if you do minimum three games, Carson Wentz has 1.63 TDs per game.

Speaker 1 The second one on that list is Shane Matthews with 1.57 TDs per game.

Speaker 6 I'm pretty sure Shane Matthews started like six games.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But even so, Kirk Cousins was 1.56.
Robert Griffin III was 1.11. Carson Wentz blowing the competition out of the water with 1.63 TDs per game.

Speaker 1 This is a list of all of the Washington football team quarterbacks. Tim Hasselback was 0.71 per game.

Speaker 6 He comes in dead last.

Speaker 1 All right, so that's a big one. Ricochet shot on Tim Hasselback.

Speaker 1 Well, I'm just reading the stats. Stats don't lie.
Jeff George, 0.88.

Speaker 1 He was in the middle of the pack. Anyway, next up, Carson Wentz.
You don't want to

Speaker 1 domesticate Carson Wentz. He's a wildcat.
He needs to be out there. All right, so Carson Wentz in the wild versus in captivity in a dome.

Speaker 1 Carson Wentz inside, 214 yards per game, 1.67 passing TDs, 0.78 interceptions, and 11 yards rushing.

Speaker 1 Outside, he's 244 passing yards, 30 yards more, about the same TDs, less interceptions, better rush yards. Guess where Washington football team plays? Outdoors.

Speaker 6 Well, we play in a death trap of a stadium.

Speaker 1 That doesn't matter. It's outdoors.
Is that all that matters?

Speaker 6 Does Carson Wentz have any history of knee injuries?

Speaker 1 No. Okay,

Speaker 1 good. Move on.
All right. All right.
Okay. So that one, good.
He's outside. We've established that he's outside.
Guess what happens outside? You have weather. You have different degrees of weather.

Speaker 1 You have different months and everything. Okay.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 here we go.

Speaker 1 The average temperature last September in Washington, D.C. was 73 degrees.

Speaker 1 No quarterback has performed better better from a yards per attempt standpoint in exactly 73 degree weather than Carson Wentz. Let's go.
Okay. Top 50 quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 That's good because he's going to be healthy in September. Yeah, top 50 quarterbacks yards per attempt in exactly 73 degree weather.
He is number one, 9.71 yards per attempt.

Speaker 6 His ceiling is so high

Speaker 6 that he can't even perform indoors. There's no ceiling for Carson Wentz.

Speaker 1 And let me just throw out a couple for you there. Your guy, elite Joe Flacco, he's an entire three yards per attempt less at exactly 73-degree weather.
I'm in. I'm in.
It's incredible.

Speaker 6 So there were moments last year where we went back and forth.

Speaker 6 I don't think that we were ever on the same page with Carson Wentz, but it would go back and forth across this very table when I would be like, Carson Wentz, I think, is back. I think he's good again.

Speaker 6 And then be like, no, he stinks. And then you'd be like, no, he's good again.
I just need him to be good again, again.

Speaker 1 Yes. All the time.
Exactly. All right.

Speaker 6 So we got September done.

Speaker 1 How about November and December? In Washington, D.C., the average temperature is 48 degrees in both November and December last year.

Speaker 1 Carson Wentz's career yards per attempt at this exact temperature, 48 degrees, trails only

Speaker 6 three guys.

Speaker 1 Jamarcus Russell, Baker Mayfield, and Jared Goff. That's it.
They're the only three guys that are better than Carson Wentz at exactly 48 degrees.

Speaker 6 Elite company to be in. Yes.

Speaker 1 So we now have September, November, December.

Speaker 6 Wait, wait, who are those three quarterbacks you listed?

Speaker 1 Jamarcus Russell, Baker Mayfield, and Jared Goff. All number one overall overall drafts.
All number one overall drafts. Okay, I'm in.
Yes. And then so we have September, November, and December.

Speaker 1 What about October? Well, I was wondering about October. You're wondering about October.

Speaker 6 Must be a disaster.

Speaker 1 Carson Wentz is one of only 11 quarterbacks to throw 14 touchdowns in any given month of a season. He did this in October of 2017.

Speaker 6 That was his MVP year.

Speaker 1 And the list of guys on the 14 or more TDs in any month is literally just Hall of Famers.

Speaker 1 It's Tom Brady, it's Peyton Manning, it's Drew Brees, Brees, Aaron Rodgers, it's Kurt Warner, and it's Carson Wentz back in, there's more guys on the list, but it's Carson Wentz back in October of 2017.

Speaker 1 So shout out Stat Whole Sports.

Speaker 1 I think that we just proved that if you just break it down month by month, degree by degree, Carson Wentz playing outdoors in exactly 73 degrees or 48 degrees or the month of October, he's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 6 Okay, I need some weather gods. I need some weather luck next year.
Jim Kentori, if you're out there, please give me a hand on that one.

Speaker 6 I'm kind of selling myself on it slowly. I'm accepting it.
I'm gradually accepting the fact that Carson Wentz will be the quarterback.

Speaker 6 And again, I do want them to draft a quarterback in the first round. If we draft a quarterback still in the first round, I will be very happy with the situation that we're in where we, you know what?

Speaker 6 It's upside for Carson. It's upside city.
It's value that we got for three two third-round picks for Carson Wentz. I'm starting to believe in it.

Speaker 6 If we go ahead and also get another quarterback in the first round.

Speaker 1 so there we go.

Speaker 6 And so it's funny because I was looking at who out there can I hitch my wagon to? Who is also in my circle now defending Carson Williams?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I know.

Speaker 6 And I've got two of the sharpest football minds in the world, Dan Orlovsky,

Speaker 6 and then our favorite analyst on the show,

Speaker 1 genius.

Speaker 6 I've always said that this is a guy that is smart, that understands the world, that understands football. They might have me blocked.
Emmanuel Acho. So me and Emmanuel Acho like this, that's my guy.

Speaker 6 If you ever watch him break anything down, dude spits logic. He spits facts.
A lot of people can't handle facts. They get triggered by it, and they end up going back and forth with him about stuff.

Speaker 6 But the bottom line is, Emmanuel Acho is a football genius.

Speaker 6 So now it's me, the guy who can't be in a room with a woman because he'll fuck her, or in a hotel room with himself because he'll fuck himself.

Speaker 6 And then Emmanuel Acho, a guy that doesn't think should carry Richardson, should have a sharp stick because she smokes pot. Correct.
So

Speaker 1 who's who? The three horses. quarterbacks.
Yeah, the three. Yeah, Emmanuel Otro, so logical, he has a book named Illogical.
Yeah, exactly. That's how logical the guy is.
Listen.

Speaker 1 Which is a pinned tweet of him reading the audiobook is quite something. Again, I'm blocked, so whatever.

Speaker 6 I don't think that I could have hoped for a bigger three to be out there defending Carson Wentz. It's huge.

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Speaker 6 What about the shift?

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Speaker 6 I didn't even know where that came from, but out of nowhere, they were like, yeah, the owners need the bases to be 33% bigger.

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Speaker 1 We have Billy's bracket, and then we'll talk a little March Madden, then we'll get to our interviews. Before we do...

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Speaker 1 Ready, let's do it. The bracket that we've all been waiting for, we alluded to it on Wednesday, a teaser, as they say in the business.
Billy is here with his...

Speaker 1 Let's start with... You know what? Let's start with fuckable spirals.
Okay. Because then it will be interesting how it relates to your actual grades.

Speaker 8 Okay, so I looked at a lot of tape. It's going to be in a blog on barstoolsports.com.
We'll be posted tomorrow morning. I have a lot of video that backs up these claims.
Fuckable spirals.

Speaker 1 This is a ranking, not a bracket, right?

Speaker 8 This is just guys who have it and guys who don't.

Speaker 1 Okay. Okay.
So binary.

Speaker 8 There's a lot of guys who have

Speaker 8 spiral energy but don't have fuckable spirals

Speaker 8 yep i see what you're saying so there's guys like dustin crumb sam howell

Speaker 8 and kenny pickett all have fuckable spiral energy we just saw kenny pickett he came in and said hello to us i know i know okay but don't worry don't worry don't worry it's just it's just about the spiral look i'm gonna say dustin crumb and sam howell have a little bit of weird mechanics that make the ball look a little weird that it comes down like sideways it doesn't look like a straight projector the axis is wobbly.

Speaker 8 The axis is wobbly. Yeah, that's the big thing.
It's like, you know, the ball points down. It's a little weird.
You'll see what I'm saying in the blog.

Speaker 1 I'm a little nervous, by the way, because

Speaker 1 how many deep, how many quarterbacks did you watch tape on?

Speaker 8 I watched everyone from the 2022 draft.

Speaker 1 Okay, so is there a certain, my favorite quarterback? Is he in there?

Speaker 8 He might be. Western Kentucky.

Speaker 8 So we talk about him.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right. Yeah.
Because he is the best.

Speaker 1 Bailey Zappi. I mean, he's got the best name.
He has the best name. His name is Bailey Zappy.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 So really with Kenny Pickett, it's his glove. Seeing the ball come off a gloved hand messes with my brain.
Yeah, that's fair. So I don't even, I can't, but trust me, it will make up a lot.

Speaker 6 No, if you talk about a fuckable spiral, like

Speaker 6 using a glove is like taking a shower with a raincoat on.

Speaker 1 That's

Speaker 1 Kenny, not you. Like, that's a you problem, not a Kenny problem.
Kenny's just throwing out there. It's nothing against him.
It's just our brains can't handle it. Exactly.

Speaker 8 Yep, exactly. It's fair.
Fair. So, these are guys with super fuckable spirals.
Okay, number one, Malik Willis. Yep, yeah, goddamn bomb.

Speaker 8 And the thing is, I love how the ball turns over on his long balls.

Speaker 8 Yep, so it just goes up, and it points up when it's going up, and when it's going down, it points down, and it looks like an absolute cruise missile.

Speaker 1 Just zoom.

Speaker 6 I've always wondered about that with quarterbacks and punters, what makes the ball turn over as opposed to it staying up.

Speaker 8 I'm not a physics guy, I don't know, but this guy moon bombs, And then he also, like, if you look at his shorter passes, tight darts in and out, jumps off his hand.

Speaker 8 That's just like when Aaron Rodgers threw that pass to the guys on the yacht at that golf tournament, when you see that jumping off the hand type velocity, where it's like his motion looks,

Speaker 8 yeah, his motion looks this fast, but then the ball looks faster than his motion. Yep.
That's that's that extra fuckable.

Speaker 1 That's Malik Moonbombs. Okay.
So that's one.

Speaker 8 Carson Strong.

Speaker 1 Yep. Nevada.
Very, very fuckable spiral. Yep.

Speaker 6 Great, great quarterback name, too.

Speaker 8 Carson Strong has a, he throws a long ball, good long ball, but some of his intermediate throws, very fuckable spiral. Just slips in and out.
I don't know how he does it.

Speaker 6 Looks like a wizard with it. Love it.

Speaker 8 Last, this guy I think has the most fuckable spiral, Jack Cohn. Ooh.
Jack Cohn, super fuckable spiral.

Speaker 1 Five-star from Long Island. New York guy.
Shout out Boo. Little bias.

Speaker 8 But this guy,

Speaker 8 he threw 55 miles per hour in the speed throw. He was the only guy to hit the exact target on the speed throw when throwing it out of the five guys.

Speaker 8 Sam Howell had the fastest at like 58, 59, but he didn't even hit anywhere close to the target.

Speaker 8 I'm going to hold that against him later in the video.

Speaker 6 Put that, like, translate that into something that is applicable in my real-world experience in this office.

Speaker 6 55 miles an hour with a football, how fast would that be with like a high noon can?

Speaker 8 Enough to kill you.

Speaker 6 Okay, so you could kill somebody with this football.

Speaker 1 Let's do it another way. So 55 miles an hour, if you were,

Speaker 1 well, that's pretty fast. Say it was going 35 miles an hour as a car and you were running in Queens.
Queens? Bronx. Bronx.
Could break your ankle. Break your ankle.

Speaker 1 Got it. Cut it.

Speaker 1 Just putting into real world so people understand the real world

Speaker 1 issues here.

Speaker 8 Jack Cohen has a high release point, which I'm a sucker for.

Speaker 1 Yep. So when it comes out.

Speaker 8 We all are. So now we're going to go

Speaker 1 through that.

Speaker 1 High release point and funky release points. Like, I don't like them in the middle release points.
I like

Speaker 1 if they can get all over the place, like a Patrick Mahomes, or if they can, or a nice high-release point that's like...

Speaker 8 Well, Mahomes has a high release point when he's just straight up,

Speaker 8 which I like. If you're straight up, high-release point, that's sexy.

Speaker 6 One thing about college quarterbacks, as opposed to the NFL, when it comes to the fuckable spirals, college quarterbacks who are left-handed usually have fuckable spirals to me.

Speaker 6 The second they put on an NFL uniform and you take the stripes off the ball, I would not touch that spiral with a 10-foot ball. It's uncatchable.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 8 This is the bracket? This is the bracket. But first, I have to explain the top eight that I chose.
Okay. Because it's not everyone's typical top eight.

Speaker 6 All right.

Speaker 8 So number eight, like, well, no particular order. I have the top four is basically the same as everybody.
Kenny Pickett, Sam Howell, Malik Willis, Matt Corral, in no particular order.

Speaker 8 And then my bottom four are

Speaker 8 a little different to everybody else's. I put E.J.
Perry on there for reasons I'll say.

Speaker 1 Is Brown because he picked up the trash?

Speaker 8 No, no, no. There's other reasons.

Speaker 8 We got Jack Cohen on there, Carson Strong, Desmond Ritter. So

Speaker 8 no Bailey Zappy, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 That's unfortunate.

Speaker 6 He's electric. But you said we were going to get to Bailey Zappa.

Speaker 1 I think we just did.

Speaker 8 We just did.

Speaker 1 By me saying no Bailey Zappi. No Bailey Zappa.

Speaker 6 Billy, you know that people heard you talk earlier on this podcast.

Speaker 1 And you said, well, there's something else coming up.

Speaker 6 It's going to be later on in the bracket, and then Big Cat's Cat's going to say, hey, where's Bailey Zapp? Where's Bailey Zappie?

Speaker 8 I hope you guys are going to forget about it. I didn't want to say that.

Speaker 1 Can we just say Bailey Zappy lost the play-in game?

Speaker 8 He lost the play-in to E.J. Perry for reasons I'll explain.

Speaker 8 Matchup number one, we got Kenny Pickett versus E.J. Perry.
This is the number one seed versus the eight seed.

Speaker 1 Okay. E.J.

Speaker 8 Perry is only on here because he was the most athletic quarterback. If you combine his scores, there was a certain NFL draft scorage by next gen stats that put E.J.

Speaker 8 Perry is the most athletic quarterback in the draft.

Speaker 6 How is he more athletic than Malik Willis, though?

Speaker 1 Because he's the score.

Speaker 6 Because he didn't run at the combine, probably.

Speaker 1 That's the next-gen status.

Speaker 1 Next-gen. He ran away.
And also, E.J. Perry picked up the trash.
Malik Willis gave it to the homeless people, so that evens itself out.

Speaker 8 Exactly. So he got on there for the athleticism and picking up the trash.

Speaker 1 Oh, so he did.

Speaker 8 Okay. And exactly.
So that's why he's on the list.

Speaker 6 Listen to this podcast. Using the 15-second rewind button must be an absolute mind fuck when you hear Billy talk.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you're like, it's exactly can be used. It's like

Speaker 1 aloha. Was it aloha means different things?

Speaker 6 Yeah, the Inuits have like 40 different words for snow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Billy's using exactly like confirming that he's wrong, confirming that he's right, kind of just trying to move on from whatever we're talking about. There's many exact

Speaker 6 the closest that he'll ever get to admitting that he was lying about something or wrong is just when he takes a pause and he goes

Speaker 1 anyways yeah so anyways yeah

Speaker 8 uh yeah so this isn't gonna be okay this isn't gonna be an ellinger uh trevor lawrence situation kenny pickett blows him out of the water okay matchup number two we got malik willis versus carson strong um malik willis is number two cars strong is number seven uh carson strong big arm you know he was in the running for he's one of the fuckable spiral guys but malik willis has been said to be in my opinion combination of lamar jackson and josh allen this is what people are saying so the best quarterback of all time exactly so So, you know, if you look at Malik's throws from the combine, insane, absolutely crazy type stuff.

Speaker 8 So I did the exact calculation on how far he threw that ball.

Speaker 8 If you do the Pythagorean theorem, it comes out to 75 on a line, which is insane.

Speaker 6 And it was fuckable, too. He has

Speaker 1 a fuckable

Speaker 8 moon bomb. It went high.
It was a high bomb, too.

Speaker 1 Okay, so now we have Kenny Pickett and Malik Willis in the final four. Right, exactly.

Speaker 8 Also, he gave the homeless guy clothes.

Speaker 8 yep huge uh matchup number three sam howell versus jack cohen you know they faced off uh but this is the first upset of the bracket oh i have jack cohen beating out sam howell no bias because he's from new york no that was absolutely biased yep um so exactly i also think that billy learned from jake's mistakes and is putting a wisconsin guy like advancing him yeah yeah smart man The whole ideology behind this is Sam Howell through 59, but he didn't hit the target on the speed pitch.

Speaker 8 And the thing is with quarterbacks, guys should always be trying to hit the target. You always should have a pinpoint on a jersey you're aiming for.

Speaker 8 He didn't hit it. Jack Cohen hit it right on the center with his 55 mile per hour.
So that's really why I chose Jack Cohen also.

Speaker 8 We'll get to it later.

Speaker 8 New York guy. Sam Howell also.

Speaker 1 We'll get to that later.

Speaker 6 I haven't discussed it yet.

Speaker 1 I kind of want to do the, we should get to the final four and then we should save the final four for Monday. Okay, perfect.

Speaker 1 Because it's like everyone's like, and the anticipation is going to kill everyone, right? Exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 We'll do it the end of the show on Monday.

Speaker 8 Also, Sam Howell

Speaker 8 didn't cover a couple times and upset me during the season, but we're moving on.

Speaker 1 That's, I completely agree with that.

Speaker 8 Also, let down in the Heisman race. Sam Howell, I'm sure you're a great guy.
I'd love to meet you.

Speaker 1 Sam Howell wins a Jake Fromm Award, where if he could have come out last year, it probably would have been better for him. Right.

Speaker 8 So this is matchup number four.

Speaker 1 Okay. So we have three of our four final fours.
Final four will be Monday.

Speaker 8 Number four, Matt Corral, Old Miss, versus number five, Desmond Ritter, Cincinnati. So let me preface preface this by saying that I live next to Ben Mintz.

Speaker 8 Matt Corral has been a topic of a discussion for the whole season. Yep.
We've been debating, is he a systems quarterback? Are his 10 wins in the SEC with the SEC schedule?

Speaker 1 Now, when you say systems, that means he could play in multiple systems.

Speaker 8 System. Okay, got it.
So I looked at him.

Speaker 6 He also shares a birthday with Jackie Robinson.

Speaker 1 Wow. And me.
Wow.

Speaker 8 Desmond Ritter from Cincinnati also had a great season, made it to the college football playoff. So how am I going to compare these two quarterbacks? I looked at their stats versus Bama.

Speaker 1 They both played Bama. I think that's fair.
That's totally fair.

Speaker 1 Dallin around them is exactly the same.

Speaker 6 That defense is basically an NFL defense.

Speaker 8 Correct. So we just got to look at that.

Speaker 8 Matt Corral performed better against Bama, but it's not too different. So Desmond Ritter got sacked six times against Bama.
Again, no touchdowns, 144 yards. Yep.

Speaker 8 Matt Corral got sacked twice against Bama. Oh,

Speaker 8 213 yards in a touchdown.

Speaker 8 I think Desmond Ritter is more sackable,

Speaker 1 even though he's very athletic.

Speaker 1 Based on these numbers, yes, he's much more sackable.

Speaker 8 Also, Mincy has totally brainwashed me into him being a tough, savvy quarterback who throws bombs.

Speaker 8 So Mincey has totally corrupted my mind on Matt Corral because we watched the games, and this is what we were just talking about.

Speaker 6 I love it. Okay, so I like Matt Corral a lot.

Speaker 6 I agree with your analysis of him in terms of his sack ability. My concern about him is that Matt Carell, if I'm not mistaken, he's a forearm tattoo guy.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 8 That actually plays into next quarter.

Speaker 1 Does it?

Speaker 6 Because I don't know if I've ever seen a great quarterback with a forearm tattoo.

Speaker 1 Well, we'll get to that. Taylor Hyne.
Taylor Hinek, he's one. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Wait, but I blogged the whole thing so people are going to know if I blog it. Sorry, not blog.
I'll not blog it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, don't blog the final four. Keep out the final four.
Right. Yeah, and then we'll do final four Monday.
I like the anticipation of who's going to fucking get your brackets.

Speaker 1 I want to see people get brackets. Send us filled out brackets of what you think the Final Four will play, how it will play.

Speaker 8 So this is what the Final Four is. Kenny Pickett plays Malik Willis.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 8 Jack Cohen plays Matt Corral. Okay.

Speaker 8 And that's.

Speaker 1 And then we'll see who wins. Yeah, so fill out your brackets and tweet us out.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Where are the games being where are they being played?

Speaker 8 They're being played in my mind.

Speaker 1 Okay, neutral sight.

Speaker 8 Neutral sight in my mind.

Speaker 1 So no drugs in your mind. No drugs, no beer.

Speaker 8 No drugs, no beer.

Speaker 1 Neutral sight. On Monday.
What about... Yeah, yeah, right.

Speaker 1 You can't be under the influence because then that's not neutral sight.

Speaker 8 When I wrote it, it was a neutral site. Okay.

Speaker 6 Has Jack Cohen ever played against Alabama?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 6 You got to find another common opponent then.

Speaker 8 Well, that's not the factor. It's already played out.

Speaker 1 It's been played out.

Speaker 6 I like the fact that we're going to put out another bracket on Sunday or Monday because

Speaker 6 this bracket season.

Speaker 1 This will be the most important bracket we discuss on Monday.

Speaker 6 I will click on anything online with a bracket. Yes.
If Homeboy's got a bracket, he's going to get it.

Speaker 8 Bracket of catch-up. Stay tuned.
All right.

Speaker 1 Great job, Billy. That was great.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, tune in Monday.

Speaker 1 The completion of Billy's football,

Speaker 1 quarterback football bracket. Reminder, Sam Ellinger won last year's bracket.

Speaker 8 Which he's going to be the starter.

Speaker 6 Right now, he is the starter for the Colts. He's presumed starter.

Speaker 8 He is going to be the man. Hashtag Billy was right.
Jim Ursay, I think, loves the kid.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And he's going to ball out.
Obviously. I like how you said that.
Loves the kid.

Speaker 8 Size 10, 10-inch hands. He's the next Drew Brees.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 8 Taller than Drew Brees, too.

Speaker 1 All right. We should do

Speaker 1 a little college basketball. Then we got Bruce Pearl.
Then we got Arthur Smith.

Speaker 1 So Duke almost lost, and then they had the refs come in. Well, they had the refs come in beforehand, right, Hank? Because they got Buddy Beheim suspended, which was nice.
I did like that Jim Bayheim.

Speaker 1 He was going to salt a person.

Speaker 6 Well, hey, if you want to get into that, Hank, like, how many people have died besides Houdini from getting hit in the stomach?

Speaker 1 Probably a lot. No, probably.

Speaker 6 How many people have died from drunk driving accidents? Yeah.

Speaker 1 More.

Speaker 6 Right. Yeah, so it's just interesting to me that

Speaker 6 the punishments were similar. That's true.

Speaker 1 That's fair.

Speaker 6 It's like right now I'm doing a real life, well, Buddy Beheim only got 50% of the suspension that Ray Rice got. Right.

Speaker 1 And like, a Beheim's never killed a guy.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 1 All right, so the refs

Speaker 1 did just show up at the end to help you out.

Speaker 3 It was an ugly game for Duke. I said it out loud.

Speaker 6 I was like, there's a chance that Coach K has won his last game already.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you tweeted that. Yeah.
Including next week. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I was saying he's going to lose his last regular season game, first ACC tournament game, first.

Speaker 3 That'd be wild.

Speaker 1 I don't think he was.

Speaker 6 But thankfully the refs stepped in. That first half, I struggle to remember a time when I've seen two teams with a greater disparity in terms of shooting the ball.
Duke couldn't hit anything.

Speaker 1 It was awesome to watch how hot Syracuse was.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Syracuse was super hot. Jimmy was hot.
Jimmy came out. What is he, Jake, five for six from three?

Speaker 7 I I think it was six for seven. He ended up six for nine, but it was awesome to watch.

Speaker 6 They were doing it for Buddy. It was Buddy Innocent.
Yeah, and it was.

Speaker 1 I did like that Jim Bayheim was like, you know, the other kid was kind of knocking him around a little bit, and he inadvertently punched him in the gut. I don't think he should have been suspended.

Speaker 1 I really don't. And I wanted to see if they were

Speaker 7 getting in the game, they probably would have given him maybe a flagrant two and ejected the rest of that game. They were blowing out FSU, and then he would have been in him today.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 and I like watching Buddy play. Like, he's fun to play because he gets hot.

Speaker 1 It was really his brother did like his best interpretation of Buddy getting hot.

Speaker 6 Yeah, they were doing it for Buddy.

Speaker 6 And when Jay Billis was talking about it yesterday, he was saying that Buddy should not have been suspended for it because of the letter of the law and how the ACC judges things.

Speaker 6 But I guess the ACC used their like sportsmanship clause or something like that.

Speaker 6 They do have like a bylaw, which is like when Roger Goodell goes god mode and gets to put somebody on the commissioner's list.

Speaker 6 The ACC has like this weasly little rule where they say that, okay, if you do something unsporting, they can go in and do it.

Speaker 6 But yeah, by the way that they've done everything else all year, they should not have suspended him for that game.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Just a shame this is how his career ended. And for the first time in 46 seasons, Jim Beheim's team finishes under 500.

Speaker 1 Is Bob Huggins okay? I think he just got kicked out of the game.

Speaker 1 I thought he just needed a nap.

Speaker 6 No,

Speaker 1 I think he got tossed. I think he got the old tosserino because they're shooting free throws right now.
So that would make sense. Yeah, he was very upset.

Speaker 6 He just looked like a man that when the bartender was like, I think you've had enough, sir.

Speaker 1 Get out of here. Yeah, no, Coach K definitely called the ACC and was like, hey, we can't let this stand.

Speaker 1 Theo John tackled a man against UNC, but we can't let this stand. Nope.

Speaker 6 So Duke advances. I don't think Coach K smiled at all the entire game, just screaming at his players like they were the student section.

Speaker 6 It was sad to see, but Duke advanced.

Speaker 6 I do think that Coach K is... going to get the guys together and they're going to make a run in the tournament though.

Speaker 1 This tournament or next week's tournament?

Speaker 6 Next week's tournament.

Speaker 1 The real tournament.

Speaker 6 The real tournament. Put a pin in that one.

Speaker 7 I think Duke's going to lost to a 15 seed.

Speaker 1 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 What do we have for Michigan? So that was the other big story today. Michigan blows an all-time blown lead against Indiana.
Shout out Juwan Howard too. Great sorry, not sorry by him.

Speaker 1 Yesterday, he said, talking about the Greg Gard incident, because this was his first game back, he said, I could come with a thousand excuses, but I'm not. I take full ownership for my actions.

Speaker 1 That's what he said. Oh, wait, no, no.
He went on to say, I could talk about the timeout. We could discuss the pull on the arm.
We could talk about the words exchanged with coaches.

Speaker 1 So he's not talking about the time. He's not.

Speaker 1 We could, but he's not. But yeah, that was a bad loss for me.

Speaker 7 They were up by 17 with 11 minutes left.

Speaker 1 Yikes.

Speaker 7 They should still be in.

Speaker 1 Might have to go to the bubble.

Speaker 7 Might have to go to Dayton. They're on the bubble.
I'd still be surprised if they're out, but Indiana now. I had both these teams in the Final Four.

Speaker 1 Did you? At the start of the final year.

Speaker 1 Now they both might make it. Yeah, that's true.
You're still alive. Wait, you didn't say I'm not still alive because Wisconsin's going to be in the tournament.

Speaker 1 Well, your perfect brackets are still alive.

Speaker 6 True. But no, Jake, it could be the NIT.
You were just doing the NIT bracket. That, too.

Speaker 1 I just mislabeled it.

Speaker 6 That would be very funny.

Speaker 1 There is, though, like this time of year, it's incredible.

Speaker 1 Conference Attorney Week, like the meltdowns, Arizona State yesterday, they were up like 14 with four minutes left, and they lost in regulation. Shit, just crazy shit happened.

Speaker 7 Another one for the buzzer beater list, Virginia Tech.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Last night.

Speaker 1 Virginia Tech, A ⁇ M basically had a buzzer beater. It was 0.1.

Speaker 7 I know you guys are big Rick Petino guys. We like Rick Petino on this podcast, but they lost to Ryder in the Mac quarterfinals.
They are not going dancing. Well, we are Ryders.

Speaker 6 He finished early.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I tweeted that and I got like five.

Speaker 1 But you meant it in the literal sense.

Speaker 6 Oh, of course. Yes.
His seed was eliminated. Yes.
Early. His seed got ejected.

Speaker 7 Very early. They're going to the NIT.
Quickly.

Speaker 1 Confirmed?

Speaker 7 Yeah, so if you're a mid-major regular season champion and you get bounced in your conference tournament, you're a one-seed automatic. Love that.
Auto-bid to the NIT.

Speaker 1 Love that.

Speaker 6 I do think that the NCAA is fucking over some schools with their rules, though.

Speaker 1 Bellerman. Bellarman.
Yeah, Bellerman's bullshit. Let the kids play.
Yep, let them play.

Speaker 7 The team going that lost in the semifinals, Jacksonville State.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because they won the regular season. They lost to the team that finished second.

Speaker 6 It was so funny looking at their seating in the conference tournament. They were both two seeds.

Speaker 7 Yeah, they did a divisions thing. So steep.

Speaker 6 Is it like Illinois and Wisconsin? Are they both two seeds? Are they both one seeds? Football does that, right?

Speaker 1 Your quarterback's Carson Wentz. Football does make 10 divisions.

Speaker 7 Basketball doesn't.

Speaker 6 Yeah, it does. Talk to me in October.

Speaker 1 Yeah, September is going to be his month, though. 73 degrees.
Best quarterback of all time.

Speaker 6 Wait, what was Mitch's special degrees?

Speaker 1 64. It was that one game we went to against the Bucs where he had six touchdowns.
Yeah. It was literally one game.

Speaker 1 All right, before we get to Bruce Pearl and Arthur Smith, I just want to say I fucked up really bad. Last week, I told everyone that it was daylight savings.

Speaker 1 It's actually next week, so that's my fault. Next week, we're changing our clocks, so hand up.
I fucked that up again. Next week, next Saturday.
It's actually perfect.

Speaker 1 It's on St. Patrick's Day or the day after.

Speaker 6 Yeah, so

Speaker 6 it's going to give you an extra hour to sleep in and be hungover, right?

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 6 Oh, no, wait, no, wait. The spring forward.
Spring forward. So, yeah, it's going to give you an extra hour at the bar.

Speaker 1 Yes. Extra at the bar, an extra hour of college basketball.
Next Saturday during the tournament, get excited. That's going to be sick.

Speaker 6 That would be awesome if that's how they did it. And if there was a sports game going on at that time, they just extended the entire game by an hour.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Just play another extra half. I fucking love it.
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Speaker 6 Now, here is Bruce Pearl.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is Auburn head coach Bruce Pearl, presumptive team with the one seed.

Speaker 1 We're going to run this a week from today, so you'll be in the middle of the SEC conference tournament. So let's start here.
Thanks for coming on.

Speaker 1 March, it's the best. I mean,

Speaker 1 when the clock turns to March, are you, does something switch in your brain where you're like, this is it?

Speaker 1 This is my time?

Speaker 4 Well, I don't know, big cat. First of all, by the time we get to March, We've been working every day since like sometime in October.
So we're kind of exhausted, but there is a different energy, right?

Speaker 4 Because, man, to the victor go the spoils. And there's just, there's so much glory to be had in March.

Speaker 4 We work really hard to put ourselves in position to make a run. We'll see what happens.

Speaker 6 How does that work going into the SEC tournament when you've, you know, you've obviously put together a good body of evidence making a case for yourself being a high seed already in the NCAA tournament, but you've got the SEC tournament, you've got a bunch of great coaches in that league, guys that you want to go out there and beat, you want to compete against.

Speaker 6 How much do you put into preparing for this tournament as opposed to making sure that you're in the right place, you know, physically as a team for the NCAA tournament?

Speaker 4 Man, I just think you take it one day at a time. I mean, I know it sounds like coach talk, but it's just true.
You just focus on the next opponent.

Speaker 4 You know, for us, it'll take three games, three wins to win an SEC tournament championship. And so we'll just take them one at a time and we'll prepare.

Speaker 4 But I've never believed in doing anything at your conference tournament to get ready for the NCAA tournament other than try to win. I mean, you know, and try to play better.

Speaker 4 And the teams that improve throughout the season, the teams that continue to grow and get better are the teams that are playing their best at the end. And that's what it takes to win it all.

Speaker 1 Now, do you think your guys are playing their best right now? Because you've had a, you had a, you know, the start to the season was incredible.

Speaker 1 I remember that game against UConn because I had wagered on it and I watched all the overtimes.

Speaker 1 I was in a playground with my son with my phone out watching the end of it. I did have UConn.

Speaker 4 Did we cover it?

Speaker 1 Did we cover or did we get Unconnected? We did not.

Speaker 1 I had UConn.

Speaker 1 No, no, good. I had UConn.
No apologies necessary.

Speaker 1 But, you know,

Speaker 1 you guys start whatever it was, 201 or something like that. And, you know, the last couple of weeks have been a little bit back and forth, a lot of tough places to play in the SEC.

Speaker 1 So has there been like a counter punch or a counter coaching move to correct this last few weeks where it hasn't been as good as it was to start the season.

Speaker 4 You know, big kid, I don't, we're not playing our best right now, but I think it more has to do with the fact that, look, we, we lost at Arkansas and had the ball with a chance to win it at regulation.

Speaker 4 We lost at Florida, had the ball to win it at the end at regulation. And we lost to Tennessee.
We were down three with a minute to go. I mean, so.

Speaker 4 Those have been really, and then we just beat Mississippi State, who had only lost one game at home in conference, and that was to Tennessee.

Speaker 4 So, you know, even in some of those defeats, we had our chances. What do you got to do to be playing your best at the end? You got to defend and rebound.
That always travels, but you got to get hot.

Speaker 4 You got to make shots. I mean, that's at the end of the day, that's what really is the great separator.
We're always going to guard.

Speaker 4 But the question is, can we start shooting it a little better? And

Speaker 4 that's what we're trying to get done.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Now, in terms of like the tournament setting, both the SEC tournament and then the actual March Madness tournament, how do you manage that in terms of like legs?

Speaker 1 I know they're young guys, but playing back-to-back days or playing, you know, a new opponent two days after you play in the first round of the NAA tournament, how do you manage that in terms of legs, in terms of shooting?

Speaker 1 Like, how does that all work?

Speaker 4 Well, you know, for us, it's about the sum of our parts. And I think you see in sport, when you get into postseason, you see coaches shorten their benches.
and

Speaker 4 it exists in every team sport.

Speaker 4 I don't believe in that. I'm not going to shorten my bench at all.
And the hardest game for a team like us to win will be the win will be the first game because we're going to play nine or 10 guys.

Speaker 4 But in game two, we have an advantage because I'm not playing Jabari Smith 35 minutes in game one. He's going to get his 30, 32, and he's going to have legs to be able to play in that second game.

Speaker 4 And I think that's one of the things that's made us a good program in March is that. We're not exhausted at the end of the year because I believe in playing nine or 10 guys.

Speaker 4 Now, some coaches, look, I got five guys better than the bench. I understand that, but I think the way to win at the end is keep them fresh.
That's a great question.

Speaker 6 And how do you keep them loose going into the tournament and in those back-to-back games? Do you do anything differently?

Speaker 6 Do you get, are you a kind of coach that breaks out more of the motivational stuff

Speaker 6 going into the tournament, or are you like kind of dialing yourself back to make sure that you've got enough energy to make it through?

Speaker 4 I'm the same. Look, when you're not very talented, you got to make up for it with some passion and some energy.
I am the same same for a Division II exhibition game as I am for a Final Four game.

Speaker 4 The kids see no difference. Inside, I'm going batshit crazy, okay? Inside, I am, but I'm the same crazy all year long.
And so,

Speaker 4 you know, the kids don't see any difference. And I don't want them to, because I want them to prepare, you know, and I want them to take every opponent seriously.

Speaker 4 And so, no, we don't, we don't dial it back. We just, if it's, if it's, if it's not broke, don't fix it.
Yeah. And so it's been working.

Speaker 4 So I think consistency is an important thing to show the kids as you get later in the season.

Speaker 1 Now, specifically, what about your voice? And what about your own, like, you know, your wardrobe? Like, these things are important. You yell a lot.
You have a hoarse voice right now.

Speaker 1 If you're playing three games in a row in the SEC tournament or you're going in March Madness and then like your wardrobe, you're sweating through everything. What is the Bruce Pearl?

Speaker 1 Like, do you have a coach for your, like, you need a coach for you and how to manage all your stuff?

Speaker 4 you have no idea how my staff take such great care of me now that i'm 61 i'll be 62 in a in a week or so they're giving me all kind of vitamins and i get memory pills and i get you know my my my my trainer wants me to make sure i work out

Speaker 4 they do they're worried about me getting my rest and you know taking taking care of me so but the voice i i i could tell you that on the second or third day, they look, the kids don't listen to me anyways.

Speaker 4 Okay. So what's the, what's going to be the difference? They don't listen at this time, this time of the season.
So they can't hear me. It might actually be a blessing.

Speaker 1 Have you ever had a game where you

Speaker 1 sweat so much, so early, you're like, this is going to suck. Like,

Speaker 1 this is not going to be good.

Speaker 4 Hey, hey, hey, McKette, get the tape of my first year at Tennessee when I went down to Florida. And

Speaker 4 we played Billy Donovan in a year he won the national championship. I wore a light green suit and I had a little fever that day.
Plus, I also sat out in the sun because I love the sun.

Speaker 4 And I went into that gym. I sweat through the entire suit.

Speaker 4 I mean, not just like the pits and not just the back or underneath the boobs, the whole thing, like trousers, like, you know, right down here, right?

Speaker 4 Hard to explain. Not a good look.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel like that.

Speaker 6 That happens to college basketball coaches more than anybody else in the world.

Speaker 6 I think I don't know if you're necessarily sweatier than other professions, but something about being in that gym under those lights in certain environments.

Speaker 4 Something about being in the gym, it's hot. You know,

Speaker 4 there's a swimming pool right next to the Florida gym, so you could sort of smell the chlorine and it's warm. And then here's the deal.

Speaker 4 I'm no longer coaching in a suit. Okay, but who decided that was a good idea? Like, let's go ahead and put 100% cotton shirt on.
Let's button it up to the top.

Speaker 4 Then let's throw a noose around your neck.

Speaker 4 On top of that, let's throw a winter coat and then go out there and coach now i do think that jay right that's a good idea yeah jay wright should continue to wear the suits he's the one guy that he looks like he should always be in a suit yeah but he's gq i mean he's he's a sexy man i mean most of us don't have that jay wright game yeah like i want to go to i want to go to games like big cat goes to the games at wisconsin you know kind of like you know You know, you weren't very heavily clothed on that game.

Speaker 1 No, I was not. I'm looking at the picture of you in that Florida game.
You did sweat all the way through it.

Speaker 1 You also have a tie that went way way past your belt buckle i don't know what you were thinking there i've always thought basketball coaches

Speaker 1 yeah you guys should wear uniforms like you know you know what they say you know what they say about guys that have short ties don't you no they don't have very big hands oh interesting so they can't so a guy with a a short tie can't be a quarterback yeah you got big hands gotcha what about wearing an actual basketball jersey that'd be kind of cool if it was like mlb

Speaker 4 i don't think i could make that look very good i i just just think sometimes those suckers taper and I'm not sure. I'm not sure what, you know, how it would look down at the bottom.

Speaker 4 I, I, I, unless you could, unless I could keep it untucked and then the referee is going to go by, hey, Tucky, you got Tucky's shirt in. That, that just, they were already on me all the time.

Speaker 4 I don't need any more advice about how I'm going to dress.

Speaker 6 Well, I know you're a big chest paint guy. We're big chess painter guys.
We were, I had the Wisconsin Badger on my chest. Big Ket had the basketball boobs.

Speaker 6 It was a great time. It was our first time chest painting, but you used to do it back at at Tennessee.

Speaker 6 I think you could just like paint a suit on yourself on the sidelines.

Speaker 4 No, no. Look, when I did that Tennessee deal for Pat Summit, you know, they called me the incredible bulk.

Speaker 1 Okay. And

Speaker 1 then

Speaker 4 when I was at the Georgia football game, you know, for our football team and I was just, we were hanging out with our players. My wife said, listen, that's enough.
Okay.

Speaker 4 America's seen quite enough of that body. It's, you need to put that thing away.
So I'm done. I'm not, We're not going to get exposed anymore.

Speaker 6 Well, it's a bad combination if you're going to be sweating to have the body paint because then it just all runs down and it's just a

Speaker 1 weird puddle underneath there.

Speaker 6 Also got an empty stomach.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What, um,

Speaker 1 you know, you obviously are very animated on the sidelines. How does it work with the referees in terms of game flow?

Speaker 1 Like the start of the game, before the game starts, are you going up to the refs and you know, saying, how are your kids and how, like, you know, maybe talking to them. And then is it slowly build up?

Speaker 4 yeah we used to but now because of covid you know we we're not allowed to touch each other we're not allowed to get you know we can't get that close contact so i can't i can't schmooze with them at all um and then but seriously the the i again i guess going back to being the same uh i will take my players on during the course of the game and holler at them um

Speaker 4 and uh And so therefore, what I'm hollering, the referees see me hollering at the kids way more than I'm hollering at them.

Speaker 4 And so if occasionally I holler at the referees with sort of the same tone, you know, they're used to it because they've heard me berating my players.

Speaker 4 So what I give them is far less than what I'm telling my players. So they,

Speaker 4 for the most part, they tolerate.

Speaker 1 That's interesting. So they're, they're hearing it and they're getting almost like, okay, this is way, this is his baseline.
So when he yells at us with his baseline, it's no different.

Speaker 1 It's not like he's extra angry.

Speaker 4 That's right. I don't know for real, for real.

Speaker 1 That's smart. That's very smart.

Speaker 6 And how do you feel about the handshake line post-game? We're big fans of the handshake line just as we're watching on TV, just because it's just something else for us to watch after the game's over.

Speaker 4 But from your perspective, you guys are just watching, waiting to see if there's going to be a fight. That's the only reason why you guys are wondering what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 Look, listen, the thing I like about it is if you look at the players, all right, the players who are actually the ones out there having the contact.

Speaker 4 It's like after a boxing match. I've always wondered if the two dudes are beating each other's brains in, right?

Speaker 4 How they embrace and really hug one another. And it's almost like gladiators going back in the day.

Speaker 4 You know, it's sort of an honorable thing to compete against an honorable opponent, somebody that's trained really hard, somebody that's been in this fight.

Speaker 4 But when the bell rings or the buzzer sounds, that contest is over.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I think that, you know, that there should be a handshake line. And I think you should win or lose.
Congratulate your opponent and victory and defeat. And

Speaker 4 there's no way we should give up on that. That would be a bad, that'd be a bad look.
What message are we sending to the young people? Bad message. Now,

Speaker 1 when you were at the Horizon League and, you know, Jimmy Collins,

Speaker 1 people know Coach Pearl, there's been a few things in the past, the Iowa, Illinois thing.

Speaker 1 You did not shake hands with Jimmy Collins for, I think it was four or five years that you guys were in the Horizon League together.

Speaker 1 Was there ever a time when one of you almost shook the other person's hand? Or was it just mutually agreed upon, I hate you, you hate me. This isn't happening.

Speaker 4 Well, first of all, Jimmy, Jimmy has passed. So in honor of that, you know, I just think we need to recognize that Jimmy Collins was a terrific coach and he was, he was a great competitor.

Speaker 4 Our teams at UIC and Milwaukee, we got after each other. And yes, there was absolutely something personal.
And yes, there was

Speaker 4 times when we went through the handshake line and didn't shake each other's hand. I always put my hand out.

Speaker 4 And it was Coach Collins that chose not to.

Speaker 4 That was his decision. But I'm telling you, our teams, our teams competed, and our teams played for championships.
So yeah, that wasn't a great look.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm not proud of it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Did you guys ever...
Did you guys ever have a chance to speak and kind of, you know, squash things? And, and was it an apology from you or how did it work work out?

Speaker 4 Look, both, both, both sides, both sides erred and it was part of part of a kind of a messy process.

Speaker 4 But we had a very, very positive conversation.

Speaker 4 And like Deion Thomas, the young man that was most

Speaker 4 negatively affected by it, that's what I felt bad about, that he kind of got caught in the middle on both sides doing, doing things that shouldn't have been done.

Speaker 4 And Deion Thomas is about as good a player and as good a person, as good a coach and a leader as there is. And

Speaker 4 Dean and I have absolutely buried the hatchet.

Speaker 1 Could you feel after that incident happened, like, you know, obviously people said Bruce Pearl got kind of blackballed for a while. You were coaching Division II, won a national title, Division II.

Speaker 1 Could you feel that? Could you feel that you were on the outside for a while there?

Speaker 4 I did a little bit, you know, but God's got a plan, right? I mean, I truly believe that. And I have been so blessed.
You know, I've been coaching.

Speaker 4 I've been in college basketball since I was 18 years old at Boston College. I don't know how many years I've been a head coach, but it's been a long time now.

Speaker 4 I mean, I didn't get my first shot till I was 32 in Division II, and I had to go to the D2 route, probably because of what happened with Illinois. But you know what? Things have worked out, man.

Speaker 4 I cut my teeth. I learned how to coach.
I worried about what I could control.

Speaker 4 And at stops at Southern Indiana, Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Tennessee, and Auburn, they've all been great stops for myself and my family.

Speaker 4 So, whatever we may not have understood at the time, but you got to make the best of what you got in the moment. And look, that's what you guys have done.

Speaker 4 And that's what I've tried to do every place I've been. Yeah.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And like I said earlier, the SEC has some real personalities at coach.
Like, they've got some of the great ones in college basketball at the time. Is there,

Speaker 6 if you were to say, like, going through those new handshake lines that you have to do now in the SEC,

Speaker 6 which ones, which coaches give you the best handshakes and which ones give you the blow-bys?

Speaker 1 This is an important question.

Speaker 4 That is a very important question. I'm not going to throw anybody under the bus.

Speaker 4 You know, you got a few guys that'll look you in the eye and you got a few guys that'll, they'll give you the drive-bys.

Speaker 4 I'll just say this. The best handshake is Rick Barnes.

Speaker 4 I would say he was the best handshake.

Speaker 4 The guy that I thought was the best

Speaker 4 in our business as a coach was Billy Donovan. I thought Billy Donovan was the best coach in our business, in our league for years.
And you're right about our league.

Speaker 4 I mean, our league right now is scary good. And I'm not going to tell you guys how to bet, but I'm just saying this.

Speaker 4 Look at some of the teams that finished in the middle of our league right now. Some of the teams that are going to be seeded, I don't know, anywhere from five to

Speaker 4 nine or 10, maybe.

Speaker 4 I'm just telling you, you do not want to play some of those teams. in the Ancena tournament.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying. Yeah, no.

Speaker 4 You heard it here right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we should have said it at the start, but we are Musk Bus guys. We are loyal to Musk.
We're also loyal to Tyler. Why? Why? Well, he's a good guy.
I know a couple guys on his staff.

Speaker 1 He's electric.

Speaker 1 Arkansas is fun. So that's just, you know, I have my allegiance there.
I want to let you know beforehand.

Speaker 4 I appreciate that up front, but I mean, I lived four years in Milwaukee.

Speaker 1 We have the best run.

Speaker 4 And, you know, and you guys get a little that Midwestern Wisconsin base, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love the Horizon League. I think the Horizon League is always like exceptional basketball in terms of people sleep on it and then you watch it and they're always playing at a high level.

Speaker 4 You're right. But then the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee went into that Horizon League.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 And we, and we, we kind of, I don't want to say we dominated, but we made the tournament, you know, two out of four years. We got to the Sweet 16.

Speaker 4 I hope, I hope, you know, and, you know, back in the day, you were nobody from nowhere back then. I hope you, I hope you were proud of the Panthers.

Speaker 1 I mean, they were good. Your teams were very good.
You're a great coach. You're a fantastic coach.
You're not going to sell me, though. I'm not going to to change away from the money.

Speaker 4 But you got to stand up. I'm old.
You're young. My kids, my players, my son, Stephen, who's on my staff, like they can't believe that I'm on with you guys.
Like there's no way.

Speaker 4 Like there's no way, dad, you're on with these guys. So, you know, it does hurt my feelings that one of my rivals that you, but I respect your loyalty.

Speaker 4 I just, I just hope I can earn, you know, from this point forward. You know, maybe, maybe I can, maybe I can be one of your guys.

Speaker 1 That'd be awesome. Yeah, we could, we could talk talk about it.

Speaker 1 We could find mutual agreement in that Nate Oates is a terrible coach.

Speaker 1 No, I put you in a bad spot there. All right, so

Speaker 1 you mentioned your age. Do you know about Auburn Twitter? Do you know how passionate Auburn fans are on Twitter? They are Auburn basketball fans are the craziest fans in a good way on Twitter.

Speaker 1 They meme people to death.

Speaker 1 If we say one offhand comment about Auburn basketball, it's like World War III in our mentions. It's you have the most passionate, crazy fan base that always has your back.

Speaker 1 Have you seen some of these memes like Goose Pearl, you just got beat by Goose Pearl? And there's like all these different things that are very, very funny.

Speaker 4 I've seen some of them. You know, I get, I don't spend a lot of time on it, but I have seen some of them.
But you just made my day.

Speaker 4 Listen, I can be down the list as one of your favorite coaches, but when you tell me that we've got the most crazy, insane passionate wild fan base those memes and those you know the guys on the the twitter bombs man look we good yeah we're we're good no i think it's great because it does bring everybody into the conversation and and one of the things that's been fun has been um the fact that our fans have traveled the fact they're going to have a great following in tampa hope we can stay for a few days by winning some games and you know in this wacky world that we're living in right now with so much you know so many real, real, real challenges, the war over there in Ukraine and everything that's going on, it's not, you know, these are not the best of times.

Speaker 4 I mean, it's great that at least we, you, can provide,

Speaker 4 you know, this opportunity to enjoy the game and enjoy the game more than just on the court and the field, but off it as well, which I think is a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 It's very true because it's all in good fun. And I got turned on to it when in January, I think when you played Alabama, Alabama refused to post the final score.

Speaker 1 And so I become a de facto guy that everyone goes to when a team doesn't post the final score. So I was trying to pressure him to post it.

Speaker 1 And I was watching his Alabama or Auburn fans were going into every tweet that they had and memeing them just constantly.

Speaker 1 And I was like literally lying in bed, like laughing my ass off, thinking it was the funniest thing ever. So it's, you have a very, very strong, crazy, rabid, supporting group of fans online for you.

Speaker 4 Well, we appreciate that. Look, I want the kids to have fun.
I do. And I've added sometimes to the rivalry.
You know, when

Speaker 4 Alabama came in here in football and wound up winning the last

Speaker 4 minute and a half of that game after Auburn had won the entire game and we got beat, our students, our basketball player sits right there in the end zone.

Speaker 4 And so the Alabama football team kind of got up there and they did the crane.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I didn't remember that. So when we beat Alabama at Alabama, we had three or four guys, you know, just all of a sudden did the crane because Alabama football started it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And

Speaker 4 I kind of liked it because I thought it just sort of added to the rivalry. Yes.
I didn't look at it as tremendously unsportsman-like. I told my guys, I said, look.

Speaker 4 the next time Alabama beats us, okay, they're going to do the same thing to us. So if you're going to dish it out, you better be able to take it.

Speaker 4 So after we beat Alabama for the second time, you know, I got the broom out.

Speaker 1 I swept the court. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Now, I know

Speaker 4 that may not serve me well the next time we play Alabama, but that's what it's all about. We got to have some fun.
We got to let the kids dance and have fun.

Speaker 1 No, I like that.

Speaker 6 I think most fans of the game like that too, unless you're an Alabama fan. But in a way, that's good for them too, because it lights a fire.
You know, it gets the fan base more passionate.

Speaker 6 Next time you guys play, it means more. Tickets are going to sell faster.
More people are going to watch it on TV.

Speaker 6 It's just good for the sport in general to have people be able to show their personality out there.

Speaker 6 I was actually curious what you thought of some of the comments recently from certain sports journalists. Don't want to name any names, but there have been people that have been

Speaker 6 like idiots that are totally critical of how Jabari Smith is being used late in games that have said some really pointed things about and doubted

Speaker 6 and doubted his ability to really succeed in the tournament when a lot of these games do come down to the final possession. Can he create off the dribble on his own?

Speaker 1 I'm curious what you would say to those fucking morons out there who are big basketball guys, some of the top analysts in our game.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 4 I'm actually looking, I'm just looking at something here.

Speaker 4 I don't have it right in front of me, but the last four games, as we're coming down the stretch, you know, Jabari's playing better and better and better as the season progresses.

Speaker 4 Guys, he's 18 years old.

Speaker 4 He's 18. And every night he's the best player on the floor.
And I think the last four or five games, he's averaged like 27, but he's shot a great percentage. He's not a pig, all right?

Speaker 4 And he's a great teammate. If he was my point guard, it would be easier to make sure he got the last shot because the ball would be in his hands.
He's not.

Speaker 4 I've got a point guard that either that I completely trust. to be able to either take that last shot or get him that shot.
And so it's worked out a few times. It's not worked out a few times.

Speaker 4 Put it on me. Don't, do not put it on Jabari.
He wants the ball. He's not afraid of the moment.
And I believe that if he had that shot, he'd make it.

Speaker 4 Look, he's made big shots down the stretch to put us in position to have the last shot. So that is not Jabari Smith's fault.

Speaker 4 Go ahead and doubt him. Go ahead and doubt him.
Go ahead. Good luck taking anybody else number one.

Speaker 4 I'm just telling you, do not doubt that kid. He is one of the greatest competitors that I've ever, ever coached.
He's the best jump shooter I've ever coached. And that's actually at any position.

Speaker 4 And I coached the two best three-point shooters in the history of the SEC, Chris Lofton at Tennessee and Bryce Brown at Auburn.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 4 I'm just telling you. So,

Speaker 4 yeah, again, I don't pay attention to that. So if they're criticizing Jabari, they shouldn't.
They should be criticizing me for not getting my team a better shot.

Speaker 6 The haters are on notice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'll let them know. What

Speaker 1 a basketball question, like a nerdy question. What's your favorite play when executed correctly?

Speaker 4 Well, I think probably a middle ball screen where I've got the ball in my point guard's hand.

Speaker 4 I've got Walker Kessler rolling to the rim for a dunk, and I've got Jamari Smith open in one of the corners.

Speaker 4 To be able to protect the rim and the corner is one of the hardest things to do defensively in basketball, and that's probably what I trust the most.

Speaker 1 Okay, I like that answer. I also love just like watching you guys play.
I like any team that

Speaker 1 runs clear backdoor cuts like in their offense because there's something about a perfectly executed backdoor cut that gets someone

Speaker 1 caught looking, and it's just beautiful to watch.

Speaker 4 Well, Pete Carrill would love to hear you say that.

Speaker 4 Obviously, that is one of the things that does,

Speaker 4 you know, does.

Speaker 4 can different different you know you take advantage of what of overplay and that is something that uh we all it's only two points but somehow a backdoor two points seems to be worth more.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it really, it really is like a perfect pick and roll, perfect backdoor cut. There's just something about it where it's like, ooh, that's that's just great team basketball.

Speaker 4 Yep. And

Speaker 4 oftentimes, what a great coach for getting the back door when the reality was it was defense overplaying it. It was the passer making a break crack and the cutter setting it up.

Speaker 4 So, and having the backside cleared out with other actions. So, it takes a lot to get that back door.
They're not easy to get, but when you do, when it does work, it is, it's special.

Speaker 1 How many, how many out-of-bounds plays do you have?

Speaker 4 We have one set. It's always one, four flat.

Speaker 4 And what I believe in play calling is you make every play look exactly like the other plays, and they're all counters to one another, and you sort of build off them. So we don't have a line of four.

Speaker 4 We don't have a box. We don't have a triangle.
We don't have an offset box. We have a line of four.
all the time. So that I think that's harder to scout and harder to guard.

Speaker 4 And there's a lot of variations off of what we do there.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And I think it's a, I think it's also a very dangerous place to have the ball because even though it's a dead ball set and the guy out of bounds with the ball can't dribble it and he can't shoot it, he can only pass it.

Speaker 4 I still think it's a great place to have the ball to get some inside out offense. And so it's very much like when the ball goes into the post, what can you do?

Speaker 4 to get a good look with the exception of a post shot. Yeah.
And so we do we try to score on an Ruby and we try to prevent you from scoring on yours.

Speaker 6 Yeah. On defense on an out-of-bounds play, what are your thoughts on guarding the inbounder?

Speaker 4 We put size on the ball.

Speaker 4 We've been, you know, done this for 25, 30 years.

Speaker 4 Not a lot of teams do it, but I will press you when you have the ball underneath your own basket, even though it's very dangerous place and you're one pass away from a great shot.

Speaker 4 We actually will try to press you and not let you get it in.

Speaker 1 What about you mentioned, obviously, the Tuesday night game that we were at, Wisconsin playing Purdue.

Speaker 1 What did you think about Greg Gard's decision at the end of the game to not call a timeout with eight seconds left? Do you lean more towards that or let the guys play,

Speaker 1 let your playmakers get down there without the defense being able to get set and hope for the best?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I'm for that.

Speaker 4 I'm for that in the sense that the hardest thing to guard is transition offense. In other words, you've just gotten down both teams are changing ends of the floor.

Speaker 4 You don't always have the best matchups. You can't build a wall.

Speaker 4 No, I'd rather get that ball, get guys down the floor, get some spacing, and get a shot.

Speaker 4 And there's a chance you got a chance to get to the rim or get a shot better than if we call timeout and set something else up, give them a chance to defend it.

Speaker 4 And more often than not, that's worked out well for us. So I'm a believer in not calling timeout.

Speaker 6 Yeah, we were talking about this last week on the show about how effective the press is in college basketball.

Speaker 6 Usually because there are only a couple guys on the team that are really outstanding ball handlers.

Speaker 6 That's changed a little bit in the last 10, 15 years where some of the bigger guys too are able to hand the ball. But we were just having a debate.

Speaker 6 How come no NBA team has used a press effectively, at least in recent memory?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's because I would think a couple of things, just incredible size at the rim, the ability to...

Speaker 4 again length and size throw over the top of the press and it's and it's all you can do in the nba to get bodies between bodies. And so again, think about the size of those men.

Speaker 4 It's the same size of a court

Speaker 4 and the same playing field. You know,

Speaker 4 when your little kids are playing little league, they're playing on these really tiny fields.

Speaker 4 And as they get older, then all of a sudden when they get to the high school, they're like, oh my God, I can't believe how huge this high school baseball diamond is.

Speaker 4 Well, the same size of a high school baseball diamond, same size of major league diamond. Same thing.
The basketball court's 84, the college court's 94.

Speaker 4 It's hard to get to the rim with all those men in the lane. And so

Speaker 4 why take all those bodies out away from putting five bodies at that three-point line?

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it is fun when we've been talking about it like, you know, Nolan Richardson, 40 Minutes from Hell,

Speaker 1 that kind of basketball, you know, Petino used to do it.

Speaker 1 It seems like it's harder to do that now just with, like you said, you know, you don't want to spread it out too much. Guys can shoot threes better.
Guys can handle better, all those things.

Speaker 4 Well, I think the other things have been

Speaker 4 the biggest thing is rule changes. The number one thing is it's virtually impossible to trap nowadays by virtue of that comb.
In other words, it's like dirty dancing. You know, you're in my space.

Speaker 4 I'm in your space. We're not allowed to get in each other's space.
Well, back when

Speaker 4 I came from a pressing coach of Dr. Tom Davis and Gary Williams, we pressed all the time.
And a trap, you'd trap, you'd press up, you get in somebody else's face and they turn the ball over.

Speaker 4 That's now a foul on the defense. Right.
So actually the last several years, they have virtually legislated against full court pressure and trapping.

Speaker 4 And if you can't trap, it's really no advantage, not much of an advantage to extend your defense.

Speaker 6 It's always interesting watching the press, though, in March Madness, because there will be some times when I feel like a coach has identified that the moment might be too big for the other team's point guard or one particular guy that's struggling.

Speaker 6 And since they're younger kids that might not have as much experience, it's just like, okay, let's turn the pressure up to 15 and see if this guy can handle it in prime time.

Speaker 6 That's what I like watching about the press. I hope that

Speaker 6 it continues this year. But yeah.

Speaker 1 It will.

Speaker 4 And let me tell you something. One of the reasons why the press can even be more effective right now is nobody's pressing.
So therefore, you get in a game against a team that presses.

Speaker 4 You've not seen that pressure all year long. We've seen everything else there is to see by this time of the year.
And so that's why no lead is safe.

Speaker 4 And all of a sudden, team can turn up to press the opponent, not just not rising to the moment, they've not played it all year long. And do you attack it? Don't you attack it?

Speaker 4 You know, you're trying to run clock. Man, it's the, hey, look.

Speaker 4 Gary Williams always told me, I don't know what teams would do if they were down, if they didn't have a pressure package in.

Speaker 4 And so we don't press a lot, but we press but we have a pressure package in for when we need it who do you think screams more you or Gary Williams

Speaker 4 who spits more sweats more screams screams who's who's louder I don't well I'm not I'm not I don't know but I can't I can't imagine Gary screams more than I do

Speaker 4 is there any coach that that screams more than you Buzz Williams will holler a little bit he'll shout and holler a little bit yeah and and Buzz Buzz will probably he'll he probably could be the 11th man out there because he's not afraid to get out there and he gets down a stance.

Speaker 4 He's a big dude. He's probably the best screen setter they got out there at Tex A ⁇ M.

Speaker 4 Now, man, we all out there barking. And I'm not a whistler.
See, the problem is I'm not a whistler. And guys that could whistle, they could get the guys' attention really quickly.

Speaker 4 I'm more of a screamer and a footstomper.

Speaker 1 I would say Danny Hurley probably has you beat. That game you guys played earlier this year.
I mean, those are two Titans in the screaming, boisterous coaching game.

Speaker 1 yeah titans absolutely yeah he learned it from the best he learned it from his dad yeah that whole that whole hurly crowd they'll get after you now those are tough guys yeah jersey guys tough guys um all right so you know we we we we touched a little bit on on your past and i you know we're we hate the nca so we're we're usually on the coach's side i had one thing though that it must suck because you know you've had some things in your past that people bring up but one thing you didn't do but you were there for you mentioned you were a grad assistant on the boston College basketball team.

Speaker 1 It also was when the point shaving thing happened. You had nothing to do with it.
Does that suck, though, that people are like, wait, that's weird? Bruce Pearl was there?

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 4 Man, there's so much.

Speaker 4 You worry, again, worry about what you could control. I was a freshman manager on that team.
And, you know, I knew those guys.

Speaker 4 And, you know, when you look back on it, some of the stuff that went on now made sense, but just no way you could have known what was going on.

Speaker 4 You know, Rick Kuhn had actually broken his nose and he wore a mask for part of that season.

Speaker 4 But part of the reason why he might have worn a mask was because he didn't want to have people see his facial expressions as they were doing whatever it was that they were doing.

Speaker 4 Man, it was tragic. And the fact that it was connected to organized crime, it was dangerous.
And, you know,

Speaker 4 that was a very, very,

Speaker 4 you know, very difficult time. It was a heartbreaking time for the players and the coaches that kind of went through that to have a couple of those guys.

Speaker 4 And don't forget, don't forget, they were kids. So, adults, adults pressured those kids.
I know those guys look like men when they're out there in the floor. They're still student athletes, guys.

Speaker 4 You got to remember they're 18, 19 years old. They're impressionable.
A lot of times they're just doing what the adults will have them do. Yeah.
So don't lose sight of that.

Speaker 1 They're just kids. Yeah.
I mean, it's just, it's one of those things you had nothing to do with.

Speaker 1 You're like the Forrest Gump of NCAA sanctions, where it's like, just show up and

Speaker 1 like what the hell this happened you were there yeah so i just i saw it and i was like that's got to suck for you because you know it's like you had nothing to do with it man if you just you again dude you just made my day again you compared me to forrest gump like forrest gump's like my favorite of ncou sanctions though that's probably not the best one well i mean but still you still wait you can't take it back yeah you can't take it back you just compared me to force i got you you got you i like the yelling you're right you're right you're There's a bunch of chocolates.

Speaker 1 You're a positive. You gotta get what you take.

Speaker 4 You can't take that back. You told me Forrest Gump.

Speaker 1 You're now. I'm, listen, I'm not.

Speaker 1 I know what Muscleman is.

Speaker 1 I know what love is. Yes, Muscleman's going to listen to this, so I'm not saying that you're getting closer to being one of my guys, but you're getting closer to being one of my guys.

Speaker 4 This is our first date. Yeah.
I'm not expecting to be one of your guys. I mean, this is our first date.

Speaker 4 I just hope you asked me back.

Speaker 1 I just hope. Yes, yes.
And I love your positivity because I said Forrest Gump of NCAA sanctions and you took away from it. You compare me to Forrest Gump.

Speaker 4 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 But that's awesome. Counterpoint.

Speaker 4 Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 4 Why did Jenny leave the second time?

Speaker 1 Because she just

Speaker 4 bothers me to this day right now.

Speaker 6 She didn't want to break his heart.

Speaker 6 She loved Jenny. She didn't want them to get too close.

Speaker 6 It is my favorite movie of all time. When he cries, when he's talking to his mom's grave, I cry every time.

Speaker 1 We should do. We should make it.
We should remake it with Bruce Pearl. That'd be great.
But Counterpoint, he went to Alabama.

Speaker 4 No, you know what?

Speaker 1 He went to Alabama.

Speaker 4 No, no, you're right.

Speaker 4 I'm nowhere near Forrest Gump.

Speaker 1 Man, Fort Scarp had a heart of gold.

Speaker 1 I'm not worthy of that.

Speaker 4 You got to take that back.

Speaker 1 No, I'm not taking it back. I refuse to take it back.
Take it back. I refuse.
Take it back. I refuse.
Okay.

Speaker 6 Coach, I read a story that when you, I think it was at that same stop at Boston College where the school mascot got sick and couldn't make it to a game and you raised your hand and you said, I'll do this one, Coach.

Speaker 4 I didn't raise my hand, but when the mascot got sick, our head coach, Dr. Tom Davis, said, Send the suit with the cheerleaders.
Uh, I got somebody on the end of my bench that I know can wear it.

Speaker 4 And so, Coach Davis came to me and he said, Look, Eddie the Eagle got sick. Can you can you do this mascot thing? I mean, I had no mascot training, but I guess really my whole life I've been a mascot.

Speaker 4 So I guess it's been a lifetime of training. And so I put put the suit on.
And seriously, it was in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, first round subway tournament, Boston College, Ball State.

Speaker 4 And we beat Wake Forest. And

Speaker 4 anyways, listen,

Speaker 4 back in the day, they used to wire Mike, the baskets, so that you could hear some of the chatter. You could hear the sneakers squeak.
You could hear the ball right when it hit the rim.

Speaker 4 I get a ladder out of a closet. And

Speaker 4 I climb up the ladder behind the basket when Ray McCallum from Ball State's shooting a free throw and I'm flapping my wings. Only problem is I'm hitting the microphone.

Speaker 1 Bam, bam, bam.

Speaker 4 The next day, there's a huge meeting with the NCAA

Speaker 4 that I'm almost going to lose the ability to be the mascot. Like, seriously.
So if you think my first run-in with the NCAA was a barbecue, you're wrong. It was when I was a mascot.

Speaker 4 And by the ways, right here on pardon my take, that's the first time that's ever come out.

Speaker 1 That's breaking news that is oh i love it i love it you almost got a lifetime suspension before your coaching career even started i almost did yeah almost that wasn't god's plan that wasn't his plan it's like you almost got a lifetime suspension before all the other times you almost got a lifetime suspension

Speaker 1 For a lifetime. Yeah, for a lifetime.
All right, so I have one.

Speaker 4 Now I got a lifetime contract. Yes.
So see,

Speaker 4 it's all about a lifetime.

Speaker 1 And you're a recurring guest on this show. So that means you have to come on whenever we ask.
So that's a lifetime as well. Yeah.

Speaker 4 My kids, my kids, and the Auburn, by the way, the Auburn Twitter right now, they're going bad shit crazy right now. Because you invited me.

Speaker 1 You invited me back. Yes.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
No, you're coming back. No, I'm excited for it.
All right. So I have one last question.
It's the Rowback question.

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Speaker 1 All right. You,

Speaker 1 The game that you guys won, I think it was against Alabama. Afterwards, you said Auburn's now in everything school.

Speaker 1 Have you truly been able to feel like, okay, you know, football's king in the South. We all know this.
But have you really felt like the shift has started

Speaker 1 where basketball is really getting a spot at the table here in terms of the SEC?

Speaker 4 Well, that's a great question. One of the things that takes place is we don't know who's on the schedule.
We don't know who the opponent is. We don't know our enemies.

Speaker 4 It happens in the United States of America right now. We can't tell our allies from our

Speaker 4 enemies. And it's sickening.

Speaker 4 In corporations, in companies, we fight from within. We kill our own instead of understanding who the competition is.
I know my competition.

Speaker 4 My competition is not the women's basketball team or the baseball team or the football team. And so when I say, I really mean we're in in everything school.

Speaker 4 If football is great, that's not going to take away any shine from basketball if basketball is great. And so we need to stop being jealous of another man's success.

Speaker 4 We need to know who our friends and our family are and we need to stay together. And we need to know, we need to keep our eye.

Speaker 4 Clint East would sediment, you know, keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Speaker 1 I like it, though. It's, it's a great, like, bigger lesson of,

Speaker 4 you know, always looking over your shoulder or what the other person is doing in your same corporation like you said it's it's a really bad negative characteristic to have and it just sucks your own energy it sucks your own energy and then the other thing too is by saying that and let's say you're believing in it i'm talking to the school of engineering i'm talking to our accounting majors i'm talking to school of nursing you can come to auburn and be anything you want because we've got we've got because we are an everything school sunny lee is is competing you know you know the she's the she's the world's greatest gymnast right she's here as a freshman at Auburn competing to be another, win a gold medal again next year and be the world's greatest gymnast.

Speaker 4 Jabari Smith could be the best player of college basketball. He's at Auburn, you know, competing.
You know, Tank Bixby's our running back.

Speaker 4 You know, it's, it's, uh,

Speaker 4 Auburn's a great place, and we are, and everything's cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I love it. I love it.

Speaker 6 My last question was just about if you have a holdback coach. on the sidelines.
Is there a guy whose specific job it is to make sure you don't stray too far out onto the court?

Speaker 6 Are you too close to the ref? Who's that?

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 I have three.

Speaker 4 You think one guy could get this job done? No, I have three assistants. You know,

Speaker 4 I got Wes Flanagan, my son, Stephen, you know, Chad Pruitt. And then, and the guy at the anchor is Mike Bergamaster.
And Mike's about, he's about six, seven.

Speaker 4 He'll go north of three. Okay, he's a big boy.
And so he gets to tug on that last rope. But now that I'm no no longer wearing a jacket, it's a challenge.

Speaker 4 You know, he's not exactly, he doesn't have anything. So he'll grab my waist and hold on to me there.

Speaker 6 Yeah, do you have rules where it's like, okay, if I go out this far, it's time to pull me back.

Speaker 6 And, you know, I'm sure there are times where you try to get them off you because you want to go out and continue giving a peace of your mind. But is there a rule or a word that you can say?

Speaker 6 It's like your safe word. When I say this, I mean, really get off me?

Speaker 4 No, I don't. I don't go for that hold me back stuff.
If I want to go, I got to go. A lot of guys guys want to act like they want to get in a fight and throw a punch.

Speaker 4 You know, oh, hold me back, hold me back. Yeah.
Oh, I would have gotten you if you'd held me back. No, if I go that far, then I'm either going to get hit first or I'm going to hit somebody.

Speaker 1 You can just say Juan Howard when you say that when people want to be held back and then throw a punch.

Speaker 1 It's what we were all thinking. The finger, the finger in the face.

Speaker 1 Coach, thank you so much. We appreciate it.
You are a recurring guest now, so we'll absolutely have you back on and maybe come down and visit you.

Speaker 1 We love going on the road and seeing different facilities and stuff.

Speaker 4 Yeah, well, I'd love, I'm great. Just don't bring those guys in the rain jackets, okay? We're tired of those rain jacket guys showing up, trying to storm all of our courts.

Speaker 4 You know, I just, I just, yeah, but I love it. I love it.
And I appreciate what you guys, what you guys are doing and the fact that

Speaker 4 there are a lot of really positive messages in what you're saying. But the entertainment of the young people, guys, you guys have a voice.
You guys have a really voice.

Speaker 4 And so keep entertaining us, but keep giving those young people that are listening to you those subtle messages about what a great country we live in and what an opportunity we all have to be great in this country.

Speaker 4 And so much, much blessing the two of you.

Speaker 1 I love it. And you did, you were scared of the storm chasers.
You saw them in Mississippi State. You saw them in Starkville.
You're like, uh-oh.

Speaker 4 I saw, oh, I saw them.

Speaker 1 I saw them walk in.

Speaker 4 You know, but actually, one good thing is they didn't get to storm the court, did they?

Speaker 1 I know. Close.
It was very close.

Speaker 4 They made all that effort to go to Starkville, Mississippi.

Speaker 4 You got to want to go to Starkville to go to Starkville. Right.
You got to really want to get there.

Speaker 1 And they got there and they went home. It was close.
No overtime. Yeah, it was very close.
No soup for you. No soup for you.

Speaker 1 All right. Thank you so much.
Thank you so much, coach.

Speaker 4 All right, guys.

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Speaker 6 Head coach Arthur Smith.

Speaker 1 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on very special guest. It is head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, Arthur Smith.

Speaker 1 Coach, should we do coach or Arthur? Art? Art, either one. I mean, I'm from a huge family.
I get called all kinds of things. Well, actually, we can just start there.
You have nine siblings.

Speaker 1 That's right. Can you name them all? Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's my oldest sister. My dad had two daughters from a previous marriage.
My mom had one. So there was Wendy.

Speaker 1 Unfortunately, she passed away in 2005. And then Laurie, and then Stacey, who's my mom's daughter.
And then they're married. They got married, still married.
There's seven of us.

Speaker 1 Richard, Kathleen, Molly, myself, Rachel, Sam, and then Cannon.

Speaker 6 You're pretty much Sean McVay.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was incredible. I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 I don't have the photographic memory Sean's got.

Speaker 6 Better than Antonio Crimarti.

Speaker 6 That was good.

Speaker 1 Know them all.

Speaker 1 Know what I really wanted to start with. We got to do it.
We got to break the ice. Yeah.
The beard looks good. Well, here, I kind of copied you.
Okay. Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 As a guy that's like a thick alpha male like yourself, it's a good look. So I stole it from you.
Two hours.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no doubt. No offense.
That's okay.

Speaker 6 I honestly can't grow facial hair at all.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 6 I have no room to talk about it all.

Speaker 6 I do like it. It's almost like the faux mutton chop look.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 1 And like, the longer it grows, the better. Like when I was in London, like, I was kind of the vibe I was trying to throw.

Speaker 1 And I think it worked, but we'll see. But it was a good idea.
And so, yeah. And you credited your wife with the idea.
I did. Yeah.
Does your wife credit us with the idea? She does. Okay.

Speaker 1 Because we did, it did happen

Speaker 1 directly after we roasted you

Speaker 1 because you had a fat neck. Yeah, the gobbler was

Speaker 1 a guy who has a fat neck, it's what it happens. And if you get a bad angle,

Speaker 1 lights out here. Yeah.
Lights out. Okay.
Bad angle. Bad angles.

Speaker 1 But that's a good part about being a big family.

Speaker 1 Even if I don't pay attention to something it's gonna get blasted my way okay so that's your way of saying you don't listen but someone else does no like that that was no no it's not like the hey i'm too cool i don't pay attention to it but like the good stuff it gets past yeah you got the alpha back with that move yeah like i don't actually listen to you guys someone sort of clips it up and sends it and so yeah we got put on this uh group text by will compton used to play for you in tennessee and he just kind of alerted you to i i think he probably allured you to some of what we were saying but he was trying to connect us get on the right foot and it kind of worked because we started rooting for your beard.

Speaker 1 Yes, good. Oh, and to grow it out more.
I've kind of kept it trim, like no pun there, but because more, like in London, it was the chops were going.

Speaker 1 So I've kind of kept it. And then, you know, I'm thinking maybe if we get hot, I'm going to switch to the stash.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I think we told you maybe hold the play card closer to your face, things like that. There's different ways that you can distract.
Maybe start wearing Hawaiian shirts. That's usually my move.

Speaker 1 It distracts people with all kinds of looks and everything. Maybe like a chin strap, like just a chin strap, not a helmet.
Not like yours.

Speaker 6 Just a chin.

Speaker 6 Or just mask up.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say this. LaFleur took your style.

Speaker 6 He did a little bit, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't know. I didn't.
They're both very handsome. Yeah.
No, that's not a shot at Matt. Matt's a Matt.
Don't get sensitive there, Matt. Oh, he was.
Oh, I know. But

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 he kind of dabbled in your look.

Speaker 6 He dabbled a little bit.

Speaker 6 I remember the first time that we came to the Combine as a group, it was, I think it was actually Sean McVay's first year as a coach, and I was just, I was roasting his facial hair because it's too finely manicured.

Speaker 6 Like, the lines are perfect. He gets on there with like a straight razor and like probably uses some sort of cutout.

Speaker 6 It's a fine line that you got to walk between having a nice beard, but also not looking like you put too much time into your beard.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's hard for me to get up in front of a team and say, hey, we're going to be physical and all that stuff. And I'm like, you got like this little.
manicured beard. It wouldn't work for me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, that guy did win a Super Bowl. No, it works.

Speaker 1 Like I said, no, that's not, again, no shot.

Speaker 1 No shot, Sean McVay, but Sean McVay come up to us. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, it worked for him.
Yeah. Clearly, he's doing something right.
And that's, but for me, you know, I don't think it would work.

Speaker 1 This is the nitty-gritty people want to hear. It's just head coaches' beards.

Speaker 1 It's kind of going around. Yeah.
Kyle had one on their playoff run.

Speaker 1 There was a lot of them going around. Cliff Kingsbury.
Yep. Yep.
In their playoff run. I think Sala grew one.
He may have copied me. Robert, you may have copied me.
I think he did. He did.

Speaker 1 I think he did.

Speaker 6 How has the last year been?

Speaker 6 Was that weird to be like, to walk in the first day and be like, okay, this is my team?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was a little strange, but I mean, I think you got to keep perspective. I think the problem is a lot of guys, longer than this business, they get jaded, and you got to take a step back.

Speaker 1 People would kill to be in our spot.

Speaker 1 And they're all good problems to have. I mean, that's part of the job.
But

Speaker 1 it's awesome.

Speaker 1 Glad to be here. Come on to year two.
It's good to actually be back in Indy.

Speaker 6 I'm always fascinated to hear what coaches do when they take over a team.

Speaker 6 like trying to change the culture like i think bill parcel said change the carpet that's the first thing that you do some guys are like i'm taking the ping pong table out right of the locker room some guys put the ping pong table back in you were a lap guy right you had you had him run laps at one point at one point and that was just because like too many false starts so just one just one old school something what else

Speaker 6 what else did you do like right from the get-go where you're like okay this is we're gonna change new turn the page new chapter well there was a ton of change i mean just overall staff turnover.

Speaker 1 The one thing I didn't want to do is I'm very conscientious, I've been held over before, and obviously it's part of the profession.

Speaker 1 But like, I didn't want to come in there because there's been good coaches and players in before. And I think the easy thing to do is, I think, I got a lot of respect for Dan Quinn.

Speaker 1 I think he's a hell of a football coach. And I never wanted to look like I was taking a shot at Dan.
Like, at some point, it's going to end for us all. So I just slowly.

Speaker 1 as you want to, here's how we want to build it. And Terry and I kind of had a shared vision and you just kind of slowly implement your culture.
I have no no idea what's going on outside.

Speaker 1 They're like cheering out in the lobby.

Speaker 6 I think it's a pep rally for the Rutgers women's basketball.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, because the 210, yep, it's here.

Speaker 6 I saw a video of you, didn't it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. I had my shirt off.
It was okay. That's actually a little tip for you.

Speaker 1 If you take your shirt off, just paint your breasts as basketballs or footballs. Yeah, I didn't see the paint on you.
Okay, yeah, yeah, it came off at the end. You did do one thing when you got hired.

Speaker 1 You gave an incredibly impassioned speech on social media I'm gonna play for you real quick

Speaker 1 hey Falcon fans I'm so excited to be your new head coach

Speaker 1 we're so excited my family and I removed to Atlanta and get this thing going rise up wow I want to run through a brick wall let me play one more time

Speaker 1 here's the thing about that

Speaker 1 I think I always always joke I think they thought like hey we're gonna hire like Terry and I always joke they're gonna hire these like younger like they'll be all in it I if that wasn't day one I never would have done that yeah so they tried to get us a lot of selfies, and I was like, Oh my god, it's terrible!

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's just not me. Like, maybe they hired the wrong guy to be like this cool, like, young hip.
Yeah, it was like the Crippin hostage video when he was like, Come to FAU, please.

Speaker 6 No way, I bet you'd look good, though, if they did one of those, like, ready-to-get-to-work videos, like they started to do this year.

Speaker 6 I think Brian Dable had one of those, where you just drive up in a car and then you step out of the car in slow motion and walk into the office.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's that's a huge one. Yeah, no, I know.
I gotta, I'll change it up. Okay, maybe Maybe I'll start doing selfies after we win.
Yes.

Speaker 6 Dumb question.

Speaker 1 But little kernel of truth. Arthur Smith hires you.
How much of that is because he's just like, I found another Arthur. Arthur Blank.

Speaker 1 Or Arthur Blank hires Arthur Smith because he's like, oh shit, another Arthur? We don't have, like, there's the Ardvark, and that's it. Yeah, I don't know.
It probably played into it.

Speaker 1 It had to be a little bit, right? It probably helped me.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Does he call you coach Arthur?

Speaker 1 And you call him Art? No, I go Mr. Blank.

Speaker 6 I'm

Speaker 1 That's smart. Mr.
Blank. That is smart.

Speaker 6 Is your antenna up at all with him for like in, you know, not to bring up bad memories, but the Cowboys game this year or a game like that?

Speaker 6 Actually, that might have been in Dallas, but he's a big fan of coming down onto the sideline sometimes and just like walking behind.

Speaker 6 Are you like, are you ever looking over your shoulder like, oh, is my boss down here?

Speaker 1 No, that didn't bother me. Yeah.
Ever? No. I mean, like when we were in London, I saw him over there and we launched one to Pitts.
And I saw him, I think I gave him a fist pump on the sideline.

Speaker 1 Like, you got to embrace it. Yeah.
It's his team. Like,

Speaker 1 stuff like that doesn't bother me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. So we're at the combine.
Can we ask for you to tell us what your crazy combine question is that you ask people?

Speaker 6 No.

Speaker 1 Because there's, I mean, it's become like,

Speaker 1 just get right to football. Nothing?

Speaker 1 No. I mean, all the background work's done.

Speaker 1 No. Sam Howells said that he had to shoot on a mini hoop for the Eagles.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 That must be Nick's thing, yeah. I don't know.
Yeah, Nick likes a little shticky stuff.

Speaker 6 What about the cat or dog question? Do you do that one?

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 Just like let's talk ball. Yeah, you just get right to football.
What about how many ping-pong balls in a 747?

Speaker 1 No. Who asked that one?

Speaker 1 I actually don't. I don't know if anybody.

Speaker 6 I think that's like a job interview question. That's a job interview question.

Speaker 1 Do you guys ask that when you're asking right now?

Speaker 1 Sadly, I should probably know that. Like a random fact.
But I don't. Guess

Speaker 1 40,000. Wrong.
How many?

Speaker 6 40,001.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 70 million.

Speaker 1 No one. Yeah, see, no one knows the answer to that question.

Speaker 1 Did you ask Hank that? Yeah, Hank doesn't know the answer. Hank, though.
What do you think, Hank?

Speaker 1 He's wrong. You can already see it on his.
5,000? Ping pong balls to fill a 747?

Speaker 1 See?

Speaker 6 That's bad. I think Hank knows what a 747 is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, do you? No. Big ass plane.
He's gonna find the answer for us.

Speaker 6 I got a football question for you. Yes.
So do you plan on having Kyle Pitts be a part of your team next year?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's an easy one.

Speaker 6 Okay. All right.
Next question. I know where you're going.
Because I saw you said earlier today, we're not going to comment on whether or not current players will be part of the team next season.

Speaker 6 Well, you just did about Kyle Pitts, so I got you.

Speaker 1 And you have to be able to do that. That's where you're at right now.
What I said was, like, if you can, you can take an educated guess who's going to be on the team.

Speaker 1 But if somebody gives you an offer you can't refuse, like, never say nothing. Like a horse head in your bed, maybe?

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe. okay okay what about here's here's a hypothetical offer you can't refuse uh how about uh montez sweat

Speaker 1 um

Speaker 1 who else who else you want to give up for matt ryan um let's see you can't do hypothetical i can't young chase see i can't talk

Speaker 1 two first-round picks for matt ryan that would be and taylor heineken see i'm just gonna punt this to terry just put terry on the spot terry's got to do it yeah yeah it's easy for me i just say hey terry what would you know that's a good question for him i did like so so obviously people are asking about Matt Ryan.

Speaker 1 We don't. We're not going to ask about Matt Ryan.
But you did have a quote that you said that's just absolute nonsense, absolute 100% nonsense.

Speaker 1 It'll never happen. Is what you said, right?

Speaker 1 About what? About Matt Ryan and like maybe leaving. Maybe I added the it'll never happen.
I don't remember. Either way.
Give me the context when that was.

Speaker 1 It was someone, someone was asking you about Matt Ryan. Oh, no, they were, Chris Mortensen was reporting or someone was reporting.
I've never talked to Chris Mortensen. Okay.

Speaker 1 So when you say absolute nonsense, can you maybe throw in a rubbish and a garbage and it's not true? Because I liked how strong you were. It was strong conviction.

Speaker 1 No, but I think that was in reference to

Speaker 1 some rumor. I can't remember the context.
Again, I don't have a photographic memory. I'm not a context guy.
Yeah, so. Let's just pretend.
Yeah, it was after a game, I believe. Okay.

Speaker 1 And I don't even remember who asked it, but I don't even remember the context of it. It was more some kind of like

Speaker 1 made-up rumor. I think the context was someone asked, is Matt Ryan going to retire Falcon? You said that's just absolute nonsense.
Absolute 100%. Hank fact, Jack.
I'm not sure. Nonsense.

Speaker 1 All right, I have a football question. Looking at your career, start as defensive quality control, then move to offense.

Speaker 1 You don't see that very often. A lot of times, guys stay on one side of the ball throughout their entire career.

Speaker 1 Why did that happen? And obviously, I would imagine it's helped a lot. It's helped a lot.

Speaker 1 Actually, I started as an offensive GA at UNC, and so I was a scouting intern with your Washington commanders.

Speaker 6 Oh, nice. There's another head coach that we can add to the list.
Yeah, I know. Everybody.

Speaker 1 So I was there, and in spring, I was doing, like, I was at the combine here in 07, just kind of running, grabbing players for interviews and doing all that.

Speaker 1 And I thought I wanted to get into scouting. And then Joe Gibbs called me in on a Friday before Memorial Day.
And

Speaker 1 he's like, hey, yeah, look, I had to make a change on the staff. I've got an opening.
You know how to break games down. You're a GA.
I was like, yes, sir. And he said, well,

Speaker 1 we got to open a defensive quality control. We just need to got to break it down and we'll see where it goes.
And so I wasn't going to tell him no when Joe asked me that. So I said, yes, sir.

Speaker 1 And then I was going down in Charlotte for the Cocoa 600. And I was like, what did I just get myself into? Right.
And because it had been a miserable experience as a GA.

Speaker 1 We were terrible.

Speaker 1 It was like the worst side of it. We got fired with like four games to go.
And I was like, oh, I'll get into scouting.

Speaker 1 And then I was on that defensive staff in that 07 season that we made the playoffs. It was Joe's last year.

Speaker 1 And I just stayed on defense, and I was happy being on defense. And then Mike Munchak switched me over.
Really? And so were you mad that you had to switch back over to offense or were you happy?

Speaker 1 No, I was happy. I had spent four years, four different coordinators,

Speaker 1 and it worked out. And Munch is awesome.
So he was like, hey,

Speaker 1 I'd like to get you back over to the offensive side. I said, well, I want to coordinate.
And I love the O-line. It's what I played.

Speaker 1 But more times than not, you're not going to be a coordinator as an O-line guy.

Speaker 1 And so the other question I had about your career, which is interesting, is that you survived three different head coaches with the Titans. That's rare.

Speaker 1 I feel like guys don't, you know, usually they bring in their own staff.

Speaker 1 How did that happen? Like, how were you able to stick around through three different head coaching changes? Well, a little bit was kind of timing and luck.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, when you're a quality control guy, if you're under contract for another year, if like, and I did the same thing in Atlanta. I kept a guy, Danny Breyer, same thing.

Speaker 1 He was under contract. He was good.
You know, sometimes it's like, hey, you can still do the job.

Speaker 1 Like, you're not in the, like, if you're in one of those positions like quarterback coach or you're the coordinator, like, you're probably gone. Right.
It just kind of goes with the territory.

Speaker 1 So I was in those QC roles and I was cheap and I was under contract. So I felt like that probably helped me during the wizard hunt transition.
And then I was Mike Malarkey's assistant.

Speaker 1 So like that was just like a natural. And then Frabes,

Speaker 1 that one was like, all right, I'm probably, this is probably in the road for me here. And I met him down at the Senior Bowl

Speaker 1 and he kind of kept me around. And then, so I'm thankful for that.
Yeah, I mean, you obviously have something about you because it is true. Like, it's

Speaker 1 the ability to adapt to different head coaches on your way up is important, I'd imagine. It is.
Yeah, it is. And it teaches you a lot because you've been in a lot of different systems.

Speaker 1 You've seen how people do things. And certainly helped me.

Speaker 6 Yeah. Back to 2007, that defense, that was Greg Williams, right? It was.
Dr. Heat running the show.

Speaker 1 We love Dr. Heat.
Well, we were a lot of cover two that year. We had Sean Taylor.
We had Laurent Landers back there. We were loaded on defense.

Speaker 6 You were running a lot of, it was like the Angel defense.

Speaker 6 You'd drop Sean back way into coverage. I remember that game against Brett Favre.
It's like, keep throwing the ball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he broke the interception record.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah. So we love Greg Williams on the show.
I just saw him.

Speaker 1 We love his intensity.

Speaker 1 What's the obvious that Conrad? Is he drunk? No. Oh, okay.
No, but I saw him. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Speaker 6 We just love how he always dials stuff up, except for that year, I guess.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we played like Sean and LaRon like 30 yards deep. Sean would still come up and

Speaker 1 make a tackle at like one yard.

Speaker 6 No, that's a very cool way to start. And then, so obviously you go to the Titans.
Mike Vrabel comes in.

Speaker 1 We love Mike.

Speaker 6 He's our guy. He's our guy.

Speaker 6 So right off the bat, is he just like trying to jump into practices with the team? Because I feel at that point he was still like, he's got a lot to prove physically.

Speaker 6 He wants everybody to know, and he values mass. on a team.
I feel like he collects big people and keeps them around. Like it could be the offensive line.
It could be a running back.

Speaker 6 It could be whoever. He just likes big people.

Speaker 1 Was he still working out with the team i don't remember working out with team but he's going to do drills with them like that's his favorite thing when i was coaching the tight ends he'd come over an individual and like he's going to get in the mix that's like his favorite thing to do yeah and he yeah he does it feels like he does value like tough guys like you know yeah he values guys like him yeah right exactly grinded out like yeah so is it kind of shocking that taylor lujan has stuck around for so long

Speaker 1 Where is Taylor? I thought he said he was...

Speaker 1 Where did he say? I like to just give him shit.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, how did your feud end with it, Taylor? Oh, it's still going. Is it still going?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah i don't even know why we started a feud because i actually every time i've hung out with taylor i've had a good time but i just decided i think it was something michigan wisconsin that we're just like we're feuding now and now will is my in-between with them so yeah i don't know if it was like a fake feud to yeah it's kind of busting going like he kind of used oh that oh no kind of copy

Speaker 1 yeah to kind of get busted so they copied us they basically swagger jacked us stole everything

Speaker 1 done yeah and then they were like what us we didn't do that so yeah that did happen yeah but will cops to all of that and will i mean,

Speaker 1 let's be honest, the football thing's not really working out. So he needs the podcast.
Yeah. You know.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, no.

Speaker 6 I noticed that he didn't reach out to you. He would like publicly lobby Vrabel, always go at people from the Raiders, but I never saw him reach out to you.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know what pissed me off about what Will did, and I don't care if it's on air or not. He didn't put me on his Mount Rushmore.
I'm like, Will, Will.

Speaker 1 Only like one of the few repeat guests on the bus.

Speaker 1 And no. Oh, they do Mount Rushmore? Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, really? They do that?

Speaker 6 Of course they do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we do. So I don't know who's in Mount Rushmore first.

Speaker 6 We invented the concept of doing Mount Rushmores and being two funny guys in a car that drank coffee. Yes.
That's our property that we invented.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, they stole it.
Who's on the Mount Rushmore if they're guests? I don't remember. Let me pull it up.
That's crazy.

Speaker 6 That's fucked up.

Speaker 1 You've been on it, and you like, you called your dad on it. I remember that episode.
Trying to help him out. Yeah, you did the

Speaker 1 story out. Where your dad, what,

Speaker 1 he won, what, $27,000 off a $5,000 loan to save the company, to save the world, actually, is what I think. I don't know if he'd save the world, but

Speaker 1 he saved the world and shipping forever. That's what I.
I'm going to pull this up. I'm still on there.

Speaker 6 You ever feel the

Speaker 1 bad power? No, it's fine. Go ahead.
This is bad etiquette. Absolutely not.
27 million ping-pong balls in a 747. God, that was wrong.
You said 40,000. I would never draft you.
Yeah, don't. Yeah.
No.

Speaker 1 Shit for brains. Wait, are you a dog or are you a cat?

Speaker 6 What's that? Are you a dog or a cat?

Speaker 1 You know, whatever.

Speaker 6 Good answer. Okay.
No, that's a good answer. It's a dumb question.

Speaker 1 Cat dog. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 Dumb combine question.

Speaker 1 All right. Yeah, you're pulling it up.
Let's see. Mount Rushmore.
Who's this around Mount Rushmore? It's got to be, if I had to guess, it's Vrabel because they're sucking. Of course, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yep, of course. They don't actually.

Speaker 1 Listen, what Taylor. They got like 40.
How do you keep calling that Mount Rushmore?

Speaker 6 Oh, that's so many.

Speaker 1 And you're not on that one? Yeah. That's a joke.
Also, what Taylor and Will have told me privately about Vrabel, like he shouldn't be on their Mount Rushmore because they've bashed him a lot.

Speaker 1 This is all made up of it. He's breaking

Speaker 1 moves. So I assume that

Speaker 6 you and Vrabel probably still have a pretty good relationship

Speaker 6 because you just sent him Julio Jones. Yeah.
You're just like, here,

Speaker 6 whatever you need, coach.

Speaker 1 No, that's not really how it went down with me.

Speaker 6 That was my theory at the time. I was like, I think.

Speaker 2 There's a lot of conspiracy.

Speaker 6 I think Vrabel got him installed. Now you're a secret agent for the Titans.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's why I love how dumb the internet is sometimes. Yep, hand up.
Like, hey,

Speaker 1 you're looking at it.

Speaker 6 We are the internet.

Speaker 1 You're staring at the internet, at the dumb internet. Well, you guys are one of the few people that have found ways to monetize the dumb internet.
Most people can't figure it out. That's true.

Speaker 1 That's true. That's a huge credit to you guys.

Speaker 1 What does make Coach Rabel like a great coach? Because he's now getting, obviously, the credit. He won Coach of the Year.
He went and bought a horse. He bought a horse?

Speaker 1 He bought a horse, named it, I think, Coy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Don't be coy.

Speaker 6 It shouldn't be Don't Be Coy because that means don't be Coach of the Year.

Speaker 1 Right, exactly.

Speaker 6 And I actually think they should just give you a horse if you win Coach of the Year. That's the trophy.
That would be sick. Here's your horse.
Yes.

Speaker 1 But what does make him him like, what is different about him than other guys you've worked with?

Speaker 1 They're all different. But the one thing most good coaches have been around, and this is what I've tried to do, like just because you become a head coach, don't try to emulate somebody else.

Speaker 1 Like he's one of the most authentic people. You guys know him.
Same guy every day. That's all you care.

Speaker 1 If somebody's a jerk or be a jerk every day, if somebody, you know, you just don't want the up and down guy. I don't know if there's anybody like this in your podcast.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you deal with anybody like that at Barstool, but he's consistent.

Speaker 1 He's going to tell you whatever's on his mind, and you appreciate that about him. He's smart as hell.
I really enjoyed working with him. And he's one of those things.

Speaker 1 He's not going to compromise his standard. Right.

Speaker 1 And he's funny as hell.

Speaker 6 It must have been fun coaching on that Titans team because you had Derrick Henry.

Speaker 6 So you could just, did you ever just want to give Derrick Henry the ball every play on one drive and just be like, this is your drive, Derek?

Speaker 1 Yeah, we did that a few times. And that was, that was what was comical during the interview process.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, people come up with these, like, think they're going to get you, these really hard-hitting, like, gotcha gotcha questions and send an interview and he's like hey like their director of analytics whatever some souped up titles like you know you ran the ball 67 on first down i'm like hey you know we had derrick henry yeah right right wasn't that hard like hand the ball to derrick and right uh you know a few times he stiff armed seven people and went 99 yards so pretty easy play call yeah and now you got another great player quarterbill pattern we love him we love we love guys like that where it's like you know him and debo what they're able to do because you have to be so in lockstep with everything that's going on on the team you have to know everything about multiple positions.

Speaker 6 And he clearly loves playing football, too.

Speaker 6 So, you got, is it, what do you call him? What's your name for him? Does he have a special like position designation?

Speaker 1 No, we don't want anything like

Speaker 1 that's the problem. I'm not like a guru like some of these other guys in Bretton.
I mean, he played multiple spots for us, so that's that's hard.

Speaker 1 I mean, we did have a flash package to let him know whether he was going to a certain position or not. That was his self-imposed nickname.
Like,

Speaker 1 CPs, he's on a big self-promotion, which I don't blame him, but he's in a big self-promotion mode right now.

Speaker 1 He is actually the only guest we've ever had on the show that the chains that he was wearing were so loud that you could hear them on the interview. Really?

Speaker 10 Yeah, he was holding the microphone.

Speaker 1 Jewelry,

Speaker 1 it was a while ago. Yeah, it was in his office in New York.

Speaker 6 I remember, I think Big Kat asked him about this because Ty Montgomery was just starting to get carries for the Packers.

Speaker 6 He was like, Do you think that you should start getting the ball more like handoffs on office? And he was like, Yes. And then eventually that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 6 I think Debo calls himself a wideback, which is a cool term for it.

Speaker 1 That's pretty cool. Yeah, I know.
I mean, mean, so that with the 747 question, this isn't going very well. No, it's going great.
It's not very impressive.

Speaker 6 Has he asked you if he can play defense? Like, just put him at every position. We did.

Speaker 1 Really? He played free safety. He was a jump ball guy in the Hail Mary play.

Speaker 6 Damn, he can do everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah. He can do everything.

Speaker 1 What was the hardest thing year one transition being a head coach that you didn't see coming? Like the one thing you're like, I really thought this was going to be a little different?

Speaker 1 No, it's just like the, it's just your time during the day.

Speaker 1 Like you try to like, you get in a rhythm, obviously, in the week, and you just try not to let these five-minute talks become 30 minutes because there's much analysis.

Speaker 1 And you look down, it's an o'clock, and there's a lot of things you need to get done.

Speaker 1 He just, for people listening right now, Arthur just pointed to his watch when he said that part. Did I?

Speaker 6 I like your quote that you said about, I think it was about Jalen Mayfield. It was before he was going to get matched up against Fletcher Cox this year.

Speaker 6 And you said, Everybody has to get baptized at some point.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's a good one.

Speaker 6 That's a good football guy quote. Have you been baptized yet? Metaphorically.

Speaker 1 Sure. Like,

Speaker 1 in what sense?

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah. What was your football baptismization?

Speaker 1 Probably my freshman year.

Speaker 1 When I got to North Carolina, we had Julius Peppers and a guy named Ryan Sims. So they were the second sixth pick of the draft.

Speaker 1 First guy, one of the first guys I saw was Pep, and I'm looking there. I'm like, you know, I tried to gain a bunch of weight because I'm coming out of high school and I'm like, oh, I got to get big.

Speaker 1 Didn't put on good weight. I was like 290.

Speaker 1 And I look at this guy. I'm like, he's 290.
He looks nothing like me. I'm like, holy crap.
Like, we're not in the same strategy.

Speaker 1 And then Ryan Sims, I think the first time I passed that, like, you know, I'm sitting here like high school hairy, grabbed both my hands and just dumps me.

Speaker 1 I'm like, holy, I better, I better get my stuff together. Yeah.
Baptized. So that was probably that as a player,

Speaker 1 as a coach. I mean, there's a million things you're going through.
You know, I think the The best thing is some of the jobs that you do. And I'll give Greg credit.

Speaker 1 Like, he made me call personnel in on on defense. That got me ready to be a play caller because that's an underrated job in the NFL.

Speaker 1 When you have to call the offensive personnel in for the D coordinator to know if you're going to match or what the situation is. So that'd be the other one.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So your dad created FedEx. Is it annoying? Like, people probably bring it up a lot.
It's probably annoying to have to deal with questions or people judging you. We're not going to do that.

Speaker 1 I just had a question about something unrelated to your dad creating FedEx. What is your thoughts? What are your thoughts on the estate tax? Too high, too low? I don't have an opinion on it.

Speaker 6 We ask every guest this question.

Speaker 1 It's literally the first thing we ask. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 No, I appreciate the question. I love doing that.
I appreciate the question. Oh, that's a good one.
I appreciate the question.

Speaker 1 Great question. There's a lot of good fillers right there.
I don't have an opinion.

Speaker 1 It does probably have to suck a little bit, like to that people think that you, I've seen, you know, you've talked about it.

Speaker 1 Like people think like, oh, he's just got his job because that's like, you can't be in the NFL for a decade plus. And everyone will be like, oh, his dad owns FedEx.

Speaker 1 Let's just keep giving him new jobs. Sure.
Yeah. Like, yeah.
I think a couple of things.

Speaker 1 My favorite thing is when people are like, hey, you play golf, right? And I'm like, no, I don't play golf. Why do you think I play golf? You know, that was my favorite.

Speaker 1 Or like you get these asinine questions thinking like you summered someplace. I'm like, no.
Like, my dad was an old Marine.

Speaker 1 He kind of pushed my brothers to play football so we weren't like coddled soft spoiled kids. And kind of how he is, you know, and he's the same guy.
He's like the most like

Speaker 1 basic. He has like three suits.
He's like a Navy suit, a dark gray suit, and he wears the same stuff like over in rotation. Like, it's about as simple as I get and goes to work every day.
Right.

Speaker 1 That's who he is. Right.
So it's comical.

Speaker 6 So you've never had like the itch to join the family business of logistics.

Speaker 1 Well, I wouldn't really call it a family business anymore. It's a little bit based.
A former mom and pop shop. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I just, like I said, football is way more fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. Who, so in your family, who's Shiv and who's like Roman and who's Connor? Just to say for your siblings.
Yeah, that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 I probably growing up in Memphis that we weren't one of those like, like, there's no douchebags in my family. Right.
So. But if he had to do, like, Roman.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let me throw a couple of my brother-in-laws under the bus.

Speaker 1 Those are easy talks. Keep an eye in for it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let's throw a couple of my brother-in-laws. I won't name them.
Yeah. But you know who you are.
Yeah, you know who you are. You're listening.
You know who you are.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, you probably didn't expect that question.

Speaker 6 That was actually a very good deflection. Yeah.
Like, you're keeping the close people close. Yes.
And you've identified the ones that are expendable. Correct.
Absolutely. If you had to, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, correct. Pro-laws are easily.
The in-laws are easily.

Speaker 6 Have you,

Speaker 6 did you have to work, like when you were becoming a head coach, did you sit down and say, okay, how can I answer these ridiculous, stupid questions? Did you like train yourself on that?

Speaker 6 Or is that just like experience?

Speaker 1 I think it helps, like, just watching sports my whole life. You just see some of the dumb things people do over and over again.
And I'm like, all right, when I get in that spot, like,

Speaker 1 you're not getting in trouble for what you don't say. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 that's here. I'm going to call Rabes out on one because before the first time I went on that, the amateur busting with the boys podcast.
Yep. No offense, Taylor.

Speaker 6 Amateur boys.

Speaker 1 I love doing that. No offense.
But

Speaker 1 offense. Offense.
Okay. Offense.

Speaker 1 And they asked me the same question as Rabes about, hey, would I cut your dick off? Yeah. Yeah.
And I, and I just don't answer it.

Speaker 1 But Vraves gave me a big talk, like, hey, make sure you you don't say anything stupid, like, blah, blah, blah. Like cutting your dick off.

Speaker 1 And then ironically, he goes on two weeks after.

Speaker 1 Now, he's going to probably say it's intentional, but they. Oh, no, he was, he, he definitely.
Did you ask him about that? No, he cucked you.

Speaker 1 He, he basically was like, I'm going to go on later and I'm going to give a better interview because I got the dick cutting off measure thing I'm going to do. That's why Jack told me to chill out.

Speaker 1 He basically was like, don't say anything. He may have.
That's bullshit. No, I think that's better.
I think it's better. Okay.

Speaker 1 Let him have that.

Speaker 1 Let's set it straight. You would cut your dick off for a Super Bowl?

Speaker 6 I'm not going to answer that. Would you cut Mike Vrabel's dick off for a Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 Not going to answer that.

Speaker 6 I would.

Speaker 6 That's your opinion. Easy.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I would definitely cut it.

Speaker 6 If you were a Super Bowl, I'd cut his dick off.

Speaker 6 I feel like that's like a fast track to becoming coach of the year: just say, hey, I would cut my dick off. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Everybody's got their own ways of doing things.

Speaker 6 Here's another question that you're definitely not going to answer.

Speaker 6 When you're on the sidelines, it's a beautiful stadium, Mercedes-Benz. Yeah.
I love it. Do you ever look up at the roof and be like, that looks like a butthole?

Speaker 1 Good question. Thank you.
Again, everybody's got different opinions. Yep.
I respect everybody's looking at this. You're really good at this.
Damn it. You're really good at this.

Speaker 1 I got to ask you a story about your early days out at the Mac schools. Okay.
Is that really how you got your grassroots? Wait, what? At the Mac schools? Did you hang out at the Mac schools?

Speaker 6 Yeah, like going to Mac games, Mac championships.

Speaker 1 Mac schools. I thought this was like a D's nuts joke.
No, I was like, what the fuck? I'm just trying to hit it down to fair.

Speaker 1 We didn't sleep at all last night. Like, I was like, I'm about to get these nuts.
Yeah, I love, I mean, I'm a gambler. I love Tuesday night, Wednesday night matching the best.
Go to some games.

Speaker 1 I mean, there's no one in the crowd.

Speaker 1 Like, a lot of the schools, you can take, like, Northern Illinois, you can tailgate and then go into the game and then halftime go back and tailgate and then go back and test it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I mean, listen, good quarterbacks, good coaches. They all come out of the Mac.

Speaker 1 That's how I heard about y'all's podcast. We had a tight end named Tim Simich, a big, tall, tall dude tight end he had in Northern Illinois, and he came in.

Speaker 1 It had to be 16 or whatever. Yeah.
And he had one of those matching searches. I'm like, where'd you get that? The lights camera matching.
Yeah. Holy shit.

Speaker 1 And that's how I started listening to the podcast. Got me through a lot of long nights, like breaking film down or going through stuff.
That's awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But he told me you used to come out there and hang out at the bars. Yep, yeah, hang out shirts.
We go to Detroit for the Mac championship game.

Speaker 1 There's a very famous gif of me yelling, figure it out, which is, I think, maybe his Northern Illinois team, they lost in the championship game.

Speaker 1 Bowling Green, I want to say. They were big time.
It was Jordan Lynch's team. They're big time favorites.
I lost so much money that night, and I was very upset.

Speaker 1 And actually, thankfully, Hank was under 21 at that time, so he couldn't go to the blackjack tables with me after. But I lost.

Speaker 1 No, you were told. Did you take Hank to the bars?

Speaker 6 No, he said no.

Speaker 1 He'd never commit a crime, ever. Okay.

Speaker 1 Unless it's going to jail for Tom Brady,

Speaker 1 which he did do. That's hilarious, though.
Yeah. That's awesome.
So that's how that's how I heard about you guys. The Mac is your grassroots campaign.

Speaker 1 And then you told Will and Taylor, and then they copied us. That's what it seems like.
Yeah. That's

Speaker 1 Lights Cameron Action.

Speaker 1 Actually, I'm going to say Dennis Kelly told him about it. Okay.
Have you guys ever had Dennis on the show? No, we have not. Yeah.
Dennis was another guy. Okay.

Speaker 6 We got to figure out who the first listener of part of my take was. Yeah.
And then they spread it.

Speaker 1 And they, yeah, like the coronavirus.

Speaker 6 Yeah, our coaching tree. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I got a little bit of coaching advice for you. You can believe it.

Speaker 6 Have you considered incorporating more downfield laterals?

Speaker 6 Like, design downfield laterals? Because I think that there's a big opportunity for head coaches. Everyone's scared of turnovers, and I get it.
Turnovers can cost you.

Speaker 6 But if you can figure out a way to do a good designed lateral downfield, I think.

Speaker 1 You fake the fumble.

Speaker 6 Well,

Speaker 6 it's like the hook and ladder, but you use it in different parts of the game, different parts of the field where it's not just.

Speaker 1 We taught hook and ladders here. It might have been one of my worst play calls.
Really? Yeah, it was at the end of the game. Okay.

Speaker 1 But it was like, it was bad. Do you ever find yourself, do you ever get too cute with it? Sometimes, yeah,

Speaker 1 you can feel that way. When was like one of those times? Because that's one of our favorite, like, like the Chiefs, when they get too cute with it on the goal lines.
Like, just play football.

Speaker 1 Don't do all the misdirection and stuff. They got too cute with it in the NFC Championship game.
And I'm not going to criticize. I can criticize myself.

Speaker 1 You got plenty of play calls you can criticize me for. But,

Speaker 1 you know, sometimes it works. Like, that's when you know, like, you feel like you're on a heater.
heater. Like going back to that 19th season,

Speaker 1 we had the jump pass, Derek. I mean, that was third down.
I mean, you're an idiot if that doesn't work. But again, we thought you were playing at the house money.

Speaker 1 And that's what I loved about Rabes is like, he and I would talk about everything and like we'd go through it. And it was refreshing because a lot of coaches

Speaker 1 get really conservative and they're like, whatever. And,

Speaker 1 I mean, speaking of Dennis Kelly,

Speaker 1 he caught a touchdown in the AFC Championship game. I mean, you look like a moron if those things don't work.
Yeah. Do you ever feel like you're in the zone play calling?

Speaker 1 Like, everything I'm doing is working. It's like when I'm at the craps table.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's got to be an unbelievable feeling.
You play craps? Yes. I'm more of a blackjack guy.

Speaker 1 More of a blackjack. Yeah.
Yeah. You play craps?

Speaker 6 I've learned how to play craps probably five times, but it's always when I'm drunk. And then I wake up the next day and I don't remember how to play craps anymore.
So I have the memory somewhere.

Speaker 6 I'm waiting for Elon Musk to figure out that whole brain chip thing, but

Speaker 6 it looks like a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I wouldn't. I mean,

Speaker 6 sometimes as a play caller, though you do feel like you're in rhythm yeah right like it's it just feels like oh everything you touch is just working and everything yeah and then when it doesn't you're just like that's gonna suck yeah that's gonna suck what about uh setting up your coaching staff i've always wondered about uh coaches if they have a guy whose only job is to be really good at watching football on tv to tell them what plays to challenge and what not to.

Speaker 1 Everybody's got a guy now, like that goes up there and some of them become obvious that you know that like it's not worth challenging.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I think every that's pretty standard issue now. That's the one thing about the NFL is like once somebody has a good idea, everybody copies it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like that's the only thing you're fighting in the NFL is groupthink. Like somebody has a good idea, you know, it works for some team and they think, oh, that's the, that's the secret ingredient.

Speaker 1 It's like an organ in football. Everybody's like, oh, I want to be the organ of the south.
I'll be the organ of the east.

Speaker 1 It's like, well, you better get good players and recruit well and have a good program and not your 10 helmets aren't going to be the difference. Right.

Speaker 6 Yeah. What about punting? Has your stance on punting evolved over the years? Like, have you found yourself to be more in favor of going for it or more conservative?

Speaker 1 I look at it kind of what happened in baseball. And

Speaker 1 I'll steal this from

Speaker 1 Theo Epstein, like in that book after he talked about this in that book they talked about, The Cubs' Way. I don't know if you read that.
Do you read books? I do. Don't look like books.

Speaker 1 We had Theo Epstein on the show, though.

Speaker 6 I've listened to several books.

Speaker 1 Wasn't great. He didn't get it, though.
We did. Well, we'll do it with you.

Speaker 6 Okay, we'll do it with you, but go ahead.

Speaker 1 Keep saying. But it basically said, like, everybody was hiring the same guys at MIT or whatever,

Speaker 1 Harvard, Yale, wherever, where everybody kind of became like flat, the analytics. So a little bit like it became pain.
I think even Mike Tomlin said this.

Speaker 1 At some point, it became obvious, like, your team that just get ready to play fourth and two or fourth and one. Right.
So there's no, like, it's not like, hey, you really risked it there.

Speaker 1 It's like if you don't go for them fourth and one, it's like, that's what everybody's doing. Right.
Get it. Like, so it's not like, to me, those aren't the hard decisions anymore.

Speaker 1 It's become like the norm. Right, right.

Speaker 1 And you see it all over the league. Yeah.
So we had Theo on, and I love Theo, but we did do, we used to do it.

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Speaker 6 We saw you at the hockey game on. Do I know you guys?

Speaker 1 I'm Ryan Whitney. I got a drink named after me.
Not a big deal.

Speaker 7 Pink Whitney?

Speaker 1 That's what I thought.

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My last question is, how many

Speaker 1 light posts are there in the island of Manhattan? Street lights.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't care.

Speaker 1 This is going to be whether we scrap you or not. It's like a pinky.
Yeah, no, it is. So what do you think?

Speaker 1 Well, like, if you're going to rely on the light post question around Manhattan, like, you just want me to throw a number out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Are they, let me ask you this.

Speaker 1 How many ones that are like energy efficient?

Speaker 1 No, you're not. You're a big environmental guy, right? I am a huge, huge environmental guy.
So are you breaking down how many are energy efficient or the one just overall? Overall.

Speaker 1 And on the island of Manhattan. On the island of Manhattan.
Look it up, Hank. Look it up.

Speaker 1 You already told me? I didn't even get to guess.

Speaker 6 He was going to guess 300,000.

Speaker 1 He literally was about to say 300,000. If you can, I was buying time to think of like...
300,000. Yeah.
You were counting up in your head, 300,000.

Speaker 6 What about this other standard interview question? What would you say is your biggest weakness? Ooh.

Speaker 1 I always love those questions. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm just going to steal.

Speaker 1 Just, I was with Kenny Powers, like, tireless work ethic.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Your biggest weakness is you think that.
No, I'm actually, you know what? I'm not going to say what I was about to say. I was going to say something very mean, and I'm not going to say it.

Speaker 1 It wouldn't matter. I'll write it down, and then you can read it and react.
Okay. You have to ask one last question.
Okay.

Speaker 6 Are you happy that Sean Payton's gone?

Speaker 1 I like Sean, so I don't think you're happy. I mean, their defense is still going to be a pain.

Speaker 1 But Sean's a great coach, so I don't know. It's like when they ask me, like, I got that question like 500 times yesterday

Speaker 6 to the division.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 it's a tough division. It's always going to be.

Speaker 1 It's a subjective opinion.

Speaker 1 Do I really think Will and Taylor stole your concept?

Speaker 1 No, credit to to me. I was because I like you and you're a listener, so I didn't do that.
No, I appreciate it. Yeah, that was nice of me.
I will, I mean, I understand your angst towards those guys.

Speaker 1 I'd be pissed too. How he's making it up.
Now I'm going to say it. No.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Great. I appreciate that.

Speaker 6 Taylor Heineke and Terry McLaurin for Matt Ryan.

Speaker 1 Again, I can't talk about other players. Here's a, I got a legit question.
So how do you guys think you guys, how do you keep it fresh? You've been doing it six years. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So I would say the

Speaker 1 number one thing is sports. Like

Speaker 1 sports are the greatest reality show on earth. So like if we didn't have sports to talk about and new sports and new storylines, it would be very hard.

Speaker 1 I don't know how people keep it fresh when they like, they just like riff off nothing. You know what I mean? Like comedians who are exceptional.

Speaker 1 I think sports is what like every night is something different. You ever get tired if you go out that people bother you and like they expect you to be funny.

Speaker 6 No,

Speaker 6 I wouldn't say that. We were just talking to Duncan Robinson a couple days ago from the heat, and he kind of asked us about that.

Speaker 6 And I think the reality is it's a good problem to have if somebody's like coming up to you and want to shake your hand or say, hey, and take a picture, because what we're doing is somehow resonating with their life in a way.

Speaker 6 Either they're using us as a quick escape or they feel a connection to us, like they're part of the show. And so I just always remind myself, like, this is much better than nobody caring at all.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like, that's the thing in sports.

Speaker 1 Like, you get like people like they get so upset it's like dude like you're lucky people care yeah you wouldn't you wouldn't make the money you make like yeah like it's it's insane or they when people act like a victim like dude you know what you signed up for if you don't want that go coach high school ball yeah yeah so when you're when you're coaching a player um is it true like i've always heard it's when they stop yelling at you that you've got a problem It's like anything.

Speaker 1 You don't want anybody to become apathetic.

Speaker 1 That's the thing I think most people would fear is like, like whether you're in the entertainment or sports world, like you don't want the people to speak, eh, whatever.

Speaker 1 Which sibling of yours do you think your dad's become apathetic towards?

Speaker 1 Let me see, who can I get?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Problem is like

Speaker 1 somebody will hear it one day and it, yeah. Yeah, and then it'll start a whole thing, media storm, and then whatever.
Somebody's gonna Waystar or something. Somebody's gonna get butthurt.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, it's a good point.
Yeah. Not gonna answer that.

Speaker 6 Are you gonna be in any more movies?

Speaker 1 Maybe. I've always wanted to be an extra in like a bar fight scene.
Ooh, that'd be sick. Okay.

Speaker 6 Like actually throwing punches or getting punched?

Speaker 1 Like just like a Roadhouse. Yeah.
You ever seen Roadhouse? Greatest movie ever. Yeah.
All time. All-time American.

Speaker 6 Pain Don't Hurt, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Or yeah.
There's so many good one-liners. Where did Dalton get his degree from and what was the degree?

Speaker 1 Great question. I don't fucking know that.
NYU philosophy. My favorite is the medical thing when they're reading his medical report.
Yeah. Like seven gunshot wounds, like 55 staples.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 My favorite is the guy when he gets in the fight and the guy grabs him from behind and he says, I fuck, I fuck guys like you in prison. I was like, I don't know what that, who's, what is that?

Speaker 1 What would you say if you got in a fight and somebody said it to you? I'd probably say, I would probably be like, oh, yeah, try me. And then I'd bend over.

Speaker 6 Just say, like, I don't think you're man enough.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, you can't handle this. All right, Arthur Smith, thank you so much.
We appreciate it, man.

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Speaker 3 So, as you guys know, we documented it. You know, it was a PM TV episode.
You guys were stars of it. My project, my passion project, Two Man Tuesdays, took nine years to make, produce, film,

Speaker 3 edit, premiere, put it out on Twitter.

Speaker 6 Everyone loved it.

Speaker 3 Pinned it because I was so proud of it.

Speaker 3 And I think I had like 800,000 views.

Speaker 1 The other night.

Speaker 3 No big deal. Yeah, just casual.

Speaker 1 Just doing your job.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it felt good. You know, you work on something that hard over that long of a period and to see, you know, the results pay off.

Speaker 6 It's such a Sistine Chapel.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 3 So the other night I was super lazy, and I'm sure you guys do this sometimes where you're just on your phone, but you're trying to do everything with one hand.

Speaker 3 Like you're trying to tweet, type, whatever.

Speaker 3 And this was two or three days ago.

Speaker 6 That's how one uses a phone.

Speaker 3 No, but no, usually, if I'm

Speaker 3 actively doing it, I use both hands.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 3 But if you're, I was lying on my couch.

Speaker 1 What's the difference between one hand is casual, two hands is like basically.

Speaker 1 It's like lazy.

Speaker 3 Like I do it. I'm like, I should be using two hands, but I'm just like lazy.
Yes. And I i was on my couch looking up and i went to my twitter profile and i was like oh it's

Speaker 3 this tweet is still pinned like it's march i'm just gonna unpin it for whatever reason when you click the unpin there's three dots you click unpin and the first thing right under it is delete and before i could even think about it like i clicked delete accidentally jesus christ hang and and then before and then i was sitting there like i my heart dropped i was just sitting there like i can't I can't undo this how how did you do this you got to confirm that you deleted it no no it just deletes it it just deletes it so now we have to wait for February 22nd 2222

Speaker 1 yeah okay well what

Speaker 1 Jay can you put that in your calendar please thank you 22 22 22 222 yes okay February 22nd 2222 if I'm not around no put it in your calendar don't say that don't say that. You don't know.

Speaker 1 Future, anything could happen. You're the healthiest of the future.

Speaker 6 Can't you tweet deck that?

Speaker 1 Schedule it to

Speaker 8 schedule it to tweet on 2222.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, you should. Yeah.

Speaker 8 And just, I mean.

Speaker 1 Yes, hey.

Speaker 8 Just put it in your will.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 3 that can help my family for years to come.

Speaker 1 Right. We always have this tweet.
There's money in the banana stand. There's money in the two minutes.

Speaker 7 It's a Friday.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 That sucks.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that's too bad.

Speaker 1 So what about

Speaker 1 Damn it.

Speaker 3 I don't know if it's ever going to be. Yeah, it's brutal.

Speaker 3 Again, I was being lazy. I was kind of tired.
And then all of a sudden I was wide awake, sitting up, like, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 What about...

Speaker 3 I thought about contacting Twitter, but I don't know if that would help.

Speaker 6 Okay, so what if it's

Speaker 6 February 22nd?

Speaker 3 You're trying to make compromises for 2122.

Speaker 1 It's not the same.

Speaker 3 If the Sistine Chapel burned down, PFT, to your point earlier, if the Sistine Chapel burned down,

Speaker 3 you could rebuild it however you wanted to.

Speaker 6 Just don't make jokes while it's on fire, but it won't be. Twitter will get mad at you.

Speaker 3 It wouldn't be the Sistine Chapel.

Speaker 1 Damn, Hank. I'm sorry.
That's actually brutal. I know.

Speaker 6 In a way, it's kind of beautiful.

Speaker 3 I've thought about spin zoning like that, but it's really not.

Speaker 1 No, it's tragic.

Speaker 1 No, it's tragic.

Speaker 6 I think it's beautiful. Like, if you now, everybody, you can't just spread it around now.
It's a moment in time that we were all a part of, and those that know will know.

Speaker 6 Those that don't, they don't get it. Tragic.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's tough.

Speaker 3 And yeah, if you work at twitter and and maybe you can help me out hit me up

Speaker 6 i'm not giving up hope yet yeah okay all right two-man video is very christ-like in a way yeah and as its father you sacrificed it well the two-man's dead we killed the two-man but maybe this is my like he might be

Speaker 3 how do people know if he's dead the video doesn't

Speaker 1 it's literally dead because you killed it But where, prove it. You just said it on this podcast that's now in everyone's ear.

Speaker 3 But if you don't have video proof, what do you have?

Speaker 6 Well, we actually have it on YouTube as well.

Speaker 1 So we have it.

Speaker 1 You said it on YouTube as well. True.
We have video proof. I guess.

Speaker 6 Wait, what day did you... Was this yesterday?

Speaker 1 It was like two or three days ago.

Speaker 6 So it was Tuesday. The two-man's revenge.

Speaker 1 Was it a Tuesday?

Speaker 1 The two-man came back. Clap back.
He got your ass.

Speaker 1 That's amazing. Damn, now that is perfect.

Speaker 6 I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 That's perfect. It's haunting me.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right. Well, I don't know how we follow that Fire Fest PFT.

Speaker 6 I mean, what I'm going to say pales in comparison to that. My landlord jacked up my rent by like $1,500 a month.
So now I got to look for a new place. Yeah, welcome to New York.

Speaker 1 And I hit him back in. I feel like you've had some brutal living experiences in New York.

Speaker 6 No, no, because every time I talk about it, I never talk about my apartment unless it's a fire fest, basically. Yeah.
And so. But there's been a lot.
There have been a few.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 6 the elevator was an issue.

Speaker 1 Water falling through your ceiling.

Speaker 6 The mouse.

Speaker 1 Oh. And I brought what? There's nothing in the middle of the

Speaker 1 opening. No, I'm not moving.
I'm sitting in with you. I'm saying.

Speaker 6 Beautiful. How is it? Send me some pictures of it.

Speaker 6 Second floor. I might be looking for a new spot soon.
And it's just,

Speaker 1 I would not move. I don't want.

Speaker 6 I'm considering just paying the increase because moving is soon paying the debt.

Speaker 1 You know what you got to do is you just got to do like a back of the napkin calculation of like, well, if you pay movers and also you got to buy new stuff and you got to do the first month's deposit and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 You can definitely twist the logic around.

Speaker 1 Like it's very similar to when, you know, uh, appropriate for right now, like when March comes around and you get cold and March madness, and you're like, Well, I, you know, I didn't go out and I didn't buy and bought new shoes recently.

Speaker 1 And, you know, you could, you can just figure out a way to mentally get around it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, like, we're going to be watching all these games at bars on Barstool's Dime. Yeah, right.
So we're saving money on. Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, we're already there. Yeah, already there.

Speaker 1 You're going to be flying there back and forth. Yeah.
Ubers.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We'll come in and eat. Like Billy last Sunday when we recorded at three o'clock and Billy texted the group and was like, yo, anyone trying to eat?

Speaker 6 I think he said, anybody want to get down on a big order?

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's like, well, we're literally doing it in between lunch and dinner.
I don't know.

Speaker 6 Part of me is like the principal of it because I like a good deal.

Speaker 6 You know, like, I've got that deal featured in me. So I hit him back and I was like, hey, let's do the prorated thing like you did last time.
You tried to jack up the rent on me.

Speaker 6 And they just bent over for me, let me have my way. So I figured there'd be a pushover again.

Speaker 6 And I listed it. I was like, well, I've got a a mouse that I tried to kill with marijuana that keeps showing up.
I've got a ceiling that leaks all the time.

Speaker 6 And then I've got an elevator that my dead dog couldn't even use when it was trying to go outside to use the bathroom. Really tugged on their heartstrings.

Speaker 6 And they were like, nope, the pandemic's over, is what they told me. Oh.
So the price is what they pulled the COVID card on me.

Speaker 1 Just try to get like 100 bucks off.

Speaker 6 Yeah, that would do it.

Speaker 6 I'll be like, hey, can I just get 100 discount that you want?

Speaker 1 Or no, you should just be like, let me get 100 bucks off the monthly rent and I'll pay a a one-time deposit of $1,200.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because it is true. Like, mentally,

Speaker 1 you just want to be able to be like, all right, I walked away from this feeling okay.

Speaker 6 It's just on principle that I would like to win this negotiation somehow. But I might move.
I might not. I don't know.

Speaker 1 You're probably right.

Speaker 6 I've been pushing for not moving because I do like my apartment a lot. It's pretty nice.

Speaker 6 Despite all the issues, moving is just trash. Yeah.

Speaker 1 My fire fest is a pre-fire fest. I'm running hot and gambling right now, and it's scary because I know it's coming down.

Speaker 1 I'm going to fall on my face very soon. Also, my son is now into Mickey Mouse, and that fucking thing, watching Mickey Mouse every night is

Speaker 6 tough. I didn't even know that they were doing Mickey Mouse cartoons anymore.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, and there's just so many episodes. It's M-M-I-C-K-E-I-M-O-U-S-C.
It's anything with a song that's repetitive will just drive you insane. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we had like a one-week stretch where we watched Moana, and that movie is awesome. I don't know if anyone's seen Moana with The Rock.
It's a legitimately incredible movie. Now I'm at the point.

Speaker 1 Good music, too. Yeah, now I'm at the point where it's like every night, it's like, what do you want to watch?

Speaker 1 Like, you know, we watch a little something before we go up to bed, and he's just like, I'm like, how about Moana? And he's like, nah, Mickey Mouse. Like, fuck, man.
Seriously? So, that sucks.

Speaker 6 Can you try to get him into trolls? The trolls soundtrack is a banger.

Speaker 1 No, I don't think so.

Speaker 6 It really is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I need to get, I need a respite from Mickey Mouse. It's killing me slowly.
Land Before Time. Land Before Time's good.
You think those will hold up?

Speaker 6 I miss the cars this dinosaur propaganda. Also,

Speaker 1 I'm finding out very quickly that, like, try to think of what I watched when I was a kid. Life for me is just

Speaker 1 oh, no. Life for me is just spending money on my kids for them to change their interests a week later.

Speaker 1 I have, conservatively speaking, bought him like he has like 60 different cars from the Cars franchise. Doesn't care about it anymore.
So.

Speaker 1 My fucking house is a parking lot.

Speaker 1 Billy.

Speaker 8 So I like to run with my my dog and I've trained my dog. What's your dog's name? Whitey.
So I trained my dog. It's like Whitey Ford.
It's like

Speaker 1 I thought it was Whitey, like the

Speaker 1 Whitey Powell.

Speaker 6 No, no, like the White Kirk Cousins. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Anyway, so we were running and Billy's the White Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You are, you are.
You are the White Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 8 we were running and in the beginning of the run,

Speaker 8 like it's more warm-up stuff, like high knees, butt kicks while he like sniffs everything, just get the stretches going and then it's a two mile run and then we hit a stride and we get going

Speaker 8 and uh we're pretty cool about it keep a good pace leash or no leash uh leash wrapped there's a leash like around the body to keep him leashed but it's like he's got a little length on it so it's like we're basically running without a leash uh so then when we hit the last half a quarter half mile of the run like the last half of quarter of the half mile yeah half to quarter of the mile okay he just starts going hard as fuck because he knows he's going home soon and uh that's like a literal quarter mile sprint and uh i just straight up you can't stop because he's running so fast and like you can't pull up on him so you're just huffing huffing it's like getting on one of those super fast treadmills to like test your high speed and uh yeah so then i got to the house and just started projectile vomiting because i was so gassed and my favorite neighborhood homeless guy was there to once again say yo, dude, you cool?

Speaker 1 So he thinks you're just really fucked up.

Speaker 6 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 For many different reasons.

Speaker 6 He's just always there whenever.

Speaker 8 At your worst.

Speaker 1 I really like

Speaker 6 that somebody had a video of you just projectile puking on your run. Yeah.
Yeah, somebody's like, why didn't you take your phone out?

Speaker 8 Because I was puking.

Speaker 1 Ah.

Speaker 1 Rats.

Speaker 1 That's a good Fire Fest, though. I mean, credit to you for running with your dog.

Speaker 8 It's cutting season. Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is cutting season. Jake, finish this up.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so in a few weeks, we'll be down in New Orleans for the final four. And what I did was I went to a website to try to apply for media credentials, and I missed the deadline.

Speaker 1 Oh, Jake!

Speaker 7 So I emailed the guy saying,

Speaker 7 I'm a real journalist.

Speaker 7 Please, is there any way we can make this happen? Waiting to hear back on the green light, but I'm nervous.

Speaker 1 Come on, if you were a real journalist, you would have applied earlier. I didn't know the journey.

Speaker 1 Who's giving it? And so what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, we've never said bad about the nca i just said the bellarman thing is a bad decision that's the only thing i've ever said bad about there's got to be there's got to be pretty significant that is pretty significant there's got to be a awful who's listening right now who works with the ncaa who can help us get all the boys credentialed yeah come on why not the thing about media credentials is you have to apply like two months ahead of the event.

Speaker 1 It's crazy.

Speaker 1 I remember when I used to go.

Speaker 6 I used to go to the Super Bowl in a former life, and when I do that, I would have to apply in like November, and I would miss it every single time, so I just have to sneak in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it's it's smart because it's essentially like, can we just get all the fake journalists out of the way by just missing this? But I'm real, I deserve to be there.

Speaker 7 You missed the red line, made a mistake.

Speaker 6 Don't wave your hand like Jake's real.

Speaker 1 We're real, too, so let us all in. We'll give you great coverage.
And Jake agrees. Like, if you if we can't get credentialed, you're not going to get credentialed.

Speaker 3 What if they hear about this the stunt you pulled at the NFL one?

Speaker 1 Oh, dude,

Speaker 1 that was Billy's.

Speaker 7 I also think that it was legal because on Friday, you were right around there were fans there.

Speaker 7 So I don't know if I needed to go around.

Speaker 1 I was legal to me.

Speaker 6 Wait, but you went through a curtain and you snuck in.

Speaker 7 I don't know if I've actually snuck in.

Speaker 8 I pushed him through the curtain.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you were forced through.

Speaker 6 Now, should we do some sort of like hostage situation? Like, should we threaten them if

Speaker 6 they don't credential our darling Jake at least? Yeah.

Speaker 7 I just would love to be, to cover my first ever Final Four.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. You know what? That's a great.
Let's not. Yeah.
Let's make that happen. Someone's going to be able to do that.
I've been credentialed in every round except the Final Four.

Speaker 1 Someone listening right now, let's make a boy's dream come true. All right, let's get this guy some fucking credentials, please.

Speaker 7 Please, NCAA. Please,

Speaker 7 we're begging you. I apologize for being late.
Just Jake.

Speaker 1 Give me a chance. Yeah, Jake is.

Speaker 1 You know, Jake, he will not, like, we've Jake has been credentialed at things, and we've tried to get him to ask questions that are very, very bad, and he will not do it, right?

Speaker 1 Because I want to keep getting credentialed at these things.

Speaker 6 Right, you got to tug on their heart straight. Like, it's almost a make-a-wish thing.
Like, we have, we have,

Speaker 1 our darling Jake is currently in recovery from nose spray addiction. He's been

Speaker 6 cold turkey off the affron for how many months, Jake?

Speaker 7 It's been about a year.

Speaker 1 Oh, no.

Speaker 7 What happened a few months ago?

Speaker 1 The relapse. Yeah, you relapsed.
You really got to do it. Now you're good.
He's clean.

Speaker 6 You've been off afrin for two months, and we want to reward him. He's our special boy.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I would love to be credentialed in New Orleans next month.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And if you don't get it, he's going to die.
So just give him the credentials.

Speaker 6 Just threaten him, Jake. Be like, you're going to get back on the nose spray if you don't get in.
He's going to die from all the stress.

Speaker 7 I've just seen it back on.

Speaker 1 Please, please allow me to do do this that'd be awesome yeah make a wish all right let's do oh bubba you got one yeah i did get hit by a car it uh no okay no this might be worse actually oh no yeah it's got hit by two cars worse than the two man

Speaker 10 it could be it could be oh jesus oh our friend our friend john rusty and this is going to be one for him too kind of relates to the tourney my favorite place to watch it bar coastal is closing what

Speaker 1 yeah I got intel about it. Oh my God.
Does he know

Speaker 10 I don't know if he knows?

Speaker 1 Is this breaking news?

Speaker 6 I have some sources about it.

Speaker 1 I don't know about the information, though.

Speaker 6 I'm not sure. How much do you want to do?

Speaker 1 Can we try to bleed this out?

Speaker 1 Can we bleed this out and break it to him? On Sunday? Yeah. Yeah, we can just cut it.

Speaker 10 And then tell him on Sunday.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be better.
Okay. I think there's a chance he doesn't know.

Speaker 7 He's so locked in all these games.

Speaker 1 He doesn't know. This will be...
Yeah. I want to watch him crumble.
Okay.

Speaker 7 It is on Twitter.

Speaker 1 Oh. But.
All right, let's keep it in. Fuck it.
All right. We'll watch him crumble still.

Speaker 6 You know what we can just tell him? Because he keeps asking us to go to different events with him at Bar Coastal. Let's just tell him: September, opening weekend of NFL.
We're in. It's a date.

Speaker 6 We're going to go to Bar Coastal.

Speaker 1 John, we're in. It's going to be incredible.
That's tragic. It is.
I got to go one day. They've got good wings.
It's closing like this week. Oh, pretty bad.

Speaker 1 He never went.

Speaker 1 He never had a cup of coffee. I never went to Bar Coastal.
That's fair. All right.
Numbers. Two.
16. 22.

Speaker 6 17. 25.
No, no, 71.

Speaker 6 Bar Coastal 3.

Speaker 1 76 and 54 are out.

Speaker 6 The epitome of brutality.

Speaker 1 Look up, look up. 11.

Speaker 1 Second time.

Speaker 8 Grapefruit size spiders are going to be invading the East Coast flying in parachutes. They're called Joro spiders.

Speaker 8 And if you look it up on YouTube, there's a bunch of really funny rednecks shooting them with guns. And it's very funny.
Coley, please post my blog about the Georgians shooting those spiders.

Speaker 6 Love you guys. Let's do it, Cole.

Speaker 6 Talking away

Speaker 6 I don't know what to say and say you'd anyway

Speaker 6 Today's another day to find you Shy

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Speaker 1 You're shy and away.

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