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On today's part of my take, we are live from the Kohl Center after watching the Wisconsin Badgers win the Big Ten Championship,

storming the court, not Big Ten Championship, yeah, Big Ten regular season title,

storming the court.

We're going to recap everything.

We also have a couple great interviews, Duncan Robinson,

and then also Aiden Hutchinson. A little higher education.
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Today is Wednesday, March 2nd.

And the Wisconsin Badgers have won the Big Ten regular season. Holy shit.
We're here. What a night.
Hey, you know what? Tonight is one of those nights that, and I didn't really have a dog in the fight besides wanting to support Big Cat. Thank you.
And also betting on the Wisconsin Badgers. And bucket list.
And bucket. But I'm saying, like, this makes me realize and appreciate how much ass live sports kick.
Yes. They kick tremendous ass.
Now, for people who aren't on social media, who maybe don't follow us on social media, we actually didn't talk about this on Sunday. We are in Madison, Wisconsin, right now, my alma mater.
We came here this morning. I showed the boys the town.
We went to the game. The Badgers rolled out the red carpet for us we had a perfect setup we're in the basketball offices right now we're front row of the student section the badgers win the game beat purdue win the big 10 championship or a regular season title we stormed the court holy shit what a night like pretty much like what like people people go to, what do you say? Oh, we painted our titties.
I think I might be a chest paint guy from now on. Big Cat had two basketballs on his tits.
You want to say a joke? You want to say a joke that someone said that was very funny? That you were dribbling without using your hands. They were bouncing a little bit.
There was a lot of air in the balls. Tom Brady has not been near your tips.
That's one of those ones where you've got to just tip your cap to the internet. Partially, I'd hurt my feelings a little bit because I know I'm very overweight, and I have a solid B, maybe C cup.
But I also am like, dude, fair play. That was very funny.
Marty Mush had Johnny Davis 316 on his chest. Yeah, and you had an unbelievable badger.
I was a badger bubba painted my chest in a very realistic way it was so realistic actually when when bucky saw it he tried to attack me it was so realistic i facetimed my family before like at six o'clock at night and i showed my son your chest and he yelled bucky so that it was it passed every test it was so much fun actually i'm without chest paint now it all rubbed off after we stormed the court i got nothing all my chest some poor people were out there on the court tonight and they went home with just the remnants of my chest badger all over them i got nothing it was fun i have to imagine this is a night big cat we're like if you were in college oh imagine imagine you're a senior in college at wisconsin if you had died and went to heaven tonight is probably pretty close to that simulation yes and it's it's honestly like we are very very lucky to have been here tonight because think about it you could go to college you go to a power five college you go four years and never have a moment like this you know what i mean like i never stormed a court when i was in college i stormed a field but like there's many schools that never have we came here we like swooped in and got to live like the greatest existence for one night they actually they got big cat up on stage to give a speech after the game with the team they gave him i'm wearing the hat and the and the they threw me a big 10 title hat and a big 10 title shirt and they're like come shirt, and they're like, come up on stage. Actually, they didn't say come up on stage.
The announcer said, Big Cat, you're somewhere out there. We need you again on Sunday against Nebraska.
And I heard him say, we need you, and I just started walking up to the stage. And then once I got up there, they're like, well, you might as well give a speech.
Well, before the game started, Big Cat got up to the dj booth to give up the pump up speech and we were sitting backstage kind of brainstorming what he was going to say and came to the conclusion like okay swearing is probably out of the correct probably should not do that so you get up on stage after the game's over they give you the mic for one sentence and what do you say i said you guys rule. I figured the kids are gone.
Like any kids that are still here, like their parents. If you're a parent of a small child and it's 1030 at night, swearing is okay.
And also you have to teach your kids that there are no inappropriate words, just inappropriate times to use them. Yes.
I feel like winning a Big Ten championship on your home court against a higher ranked team yes as underdogs you're allowed to drop a hard f and it was it was an insane game it was back and forth like awesome game uh who's back bank shots bank shots people will cry because wisconsin is lucky i don't care they want like they were supposed to not be in the bracket this year, according to some experts. I just sent that a notes app.
Oh, I didn't even know you were here, Jake. Shit.
I didn't know Jake was right here. I'm sorry.
Yeah, I was wrong. How funny is it, though, to think about this for a second? We were sitting in Hoboken in early November after watching all day of football, sitting there having to, you know, like do a podcast at one in the morning.
And at the end of the show, you're like, my first bracket came out. Wisconsin's not in the tournament.
And now we're sitting here in the Kohl Center. And they're a two seed, probably a two seed, at least a three seed.
I don't want to be a one seed. That's too much pressure.
Well, how many quad one wins do you have? A lot. Probably 10.
A lot. We're stacking racks on racks of quad ones.
Yeah, I apologize. Some people think I'm the only person in the world who didn't have them in.
Don't point a finger. It's you.
It's me. You're the only person I know personally.
Jake, that's true. That's true.
What lesson did you learn? I learned that I was meant to be a play-by-play guy where you don't have to make predictions. No, don't say that.
No, Jake, because you weren't making a prediction. You were just putting the bracket out as it stood, right? Yes, that's true.
Maybe take some chances, Jake. Also, I'm just going to preemptively say this because I know there's a lot of people who don't like how lucky Wisconsin is.
Very similar to Providence I gave this speech uh on Sunday but if you're someone who's sitting at home and being like well they're gonna lose in the tournament well 67 teams are gonna lose in the tournament I'm gonna enjoy the fuck out of this night I don't care sports are about the journey this was an awesome night this season has been an awesome season this team is like I think they think I'm on the team now I think Greg Gard Gard looked at me and was like, can you give me some fouls? Because they were just fucking throwing me up there. And I do, I did not fit in with my, what are you going to say, Hank? Oh yeah.
T-shirt was a lot of fun. I've never felt more like God than when I had the t-shirt cannon.
That thing goes, dude. It not only goes, but it also is on this pivoting thing, which rotates you 360 degrees as you're firing.
You looked like you were in charge of a tank. It was so awesome.
And so while you were doing that, Marty and I were chucking T-shirts with our bare hands, old school style up into the stands. Raw dogging it.
And we both threw out our arms. Like, our arms are fucking dead right now.
I think I actually broke something in my wrist throwing those T-shirts. Oh, man.
It was a hell of a night. The Chucky Hepburn bank shot was ridiculous.
I mean, the final, like, 12 seconds, the fact that Jaden Ivey hit the three and Greg Gard didn't call a timeout was like, okay, I guess we're just going for this. Hits the bank shot three.
Who else? Oh, Johnny D. Bank shot three.
That was a bank shot that makes very people very mad there was a lot of people very mad so it was loud in there but i heard him call it yeah i did too i mean it was if you watch it back he the angle was correct he called it it was the big fundamental it was page right out tim duncan's playbook yes he just fucking bank shot three did in the um i actually wouldn't be surprised if if wisconsin wins the Natty this year. No, stop.
Don't do this to me. Let me have tonight.
No, no, no, no. I'm not saying, like, I'm not going to be surprised if they win the Natty.
I'm saying if they do win the Natty, if Big Cat gets a ring. That's how much he seemed like he was part of the team afterwards.
To be honest with you, we were watching the scoreboard after the game was over and after the court storming was over and when they're doing the presentation they've got everybody on stage i was not surprised when the guy was like let's get big cat up here i was like yeah that makes sense i mean they threw me a hat and a shirt like instantly before half the team had one um i also i gotta kids, like, I forget how much energy college kids have because, one, my feet are dead. Like, we stood the whole game.
I want to, like, sit in a fucking Epsom salt bath for the rest of the night. Two, and we have this on video.
I'm sure you had a similar experience, PFT. We stormed the was awesome like so much fun dancing mosh pit maybe three minutes into storming the court i was like i i need to get out of here i'm going to die in the here because i can't i have no ability to like stand anymore i'm so sweaty i'm so tired i'm so out of shape like i think that i looked at at Jake and I was tapping my head for the oxygen.
And he was like, I can't do anything. It's funny because a lot of colleges are like, you know what? We don't want the kids to storm the court.
Things could get dangerous. Here they're like, you know what? We're going to play Mo Bamba followed by Turn Down for what? Hopefully that'll clear the court off a little bit.
It was just banger after banger. was like, no.
Yeah, because you had to dance to it. Play the Fox injury music.
Let me get out of here. It was, yeah.
What a fucking night. You guys enjoy Madison? Unbelievable.
Great sports town. This arena is probably the nicest college venue.
It's a real arena. It's like a real.
It could be an NBA arena. It really felt like it.
Yeah, it was a hell of a night. Can we get Marty over here for a sec? Because I want to hear from Marty.
He's a noted Wisconsin hater. He was – actually, the best was after the game.
So, I got – I was like – it was one of those situations where I was like getting like basically ushered around with the team. It was very similar to the Blackhawks when Patrick Sharpe was like, no,'re coming with us i was like wait no i shouldn't be here they were just like like pushing me around everywhere and i ended up in the back tunnel by the locker room and joe krabenhoff of shout out joe krabenhoff fucking loved him as a badger assistant coach of juan howard uh face smushing fame uh just walked up to marty he goes you were in fucking Rutgers gear three days ago right in Marty's face noted Wisconsin hater Marty Mush you thinking about smushing him? yeah I was thinking about it no Joe would have smushed you Joe's a fucking tough dude I was on the court like storming it and some girl looked at me with style and goes you shouldn't fucking be.
And I was like, I'm sorry. I'm very viable, but no joke.
Thank you for letting me come. It was fucking unbelievable.
Okay. So do you believe in us a little bit? I believe in you a little bit.
I mean, all right. Wall is unbelievable.
He was dude, his post moves against Edie. Who's like twice his size were incredible.
Edie's a freak. He really is.
And nicely. How does he take a shit? He's ginormous.
When he moves, it looks like he has to tell each individual part of his body to move when he's that big. He's like, okay, pick up the right leg.
He's like one of those guys that's got like a robot. He's a robot body with like a little man inside of him pulling all the levers.
Yes. He takes the heaviest steps.
Oh, i wanted to tell you too marty knows how the badgers won this game it was one thing and one thing only do you want to say the little kid it was the little kid i don't think anyone else caught it besides me and marty and i think jake helped a little too the little kid was like looking around like because they rip up the newspaper yeah there's the game there were two little kids sitting in front of us that were doing i think they were doing the floor they were like cleaning it and they were maybe like six seven years old and one of them would go ahead and and one the kid just wanted a johnny davis one we could not find it for what a piece of paper just the newspaper with johnny davis's face on it couldn't find it the game's going big cat is not watching he's like i need to find this for the kid we're gonna lose because purdue was going on a run i was like if we don't find this johnny davis thing we're gonna lose this game and then we found it and they found it. The game's going on.
Big Cat is not watching. He's like, I need to find this little kid or we're going to lose.
Because Purdue was going on a run. I was like, if we don't

find this Johnny Davis thing, we're going to lose this game.

And then we found it and it

literally flipped all the momentum. It went on a run.

So shout out to that kid.

You knew. I literally

turned to Marty. I was like, if we don't find a fucking

picture of Johnny Davis for this little kid, we're going to lose this game.

You were starting to get mad. Where the fuck is this game?

Is that the same kid that when

Bucky came by, he took my shirt? Yes. Yes.
So I had to take it back. I was shirtless naturally, but you need a shirt to be presentable in certain environments, like going up into the level that we were up at halftime.
And then after the game, I figured I would need a shirt to walk around. And Bucky the Badger just came by, picked my shirt up off the ground and then gave it to that little kid.
And I'm like, fuck, how do my shirt back from a child and i just took it yeah i just took it back i like it it's a dad thing now like where i see a little kid i'm like all right this could be my son i'm just gonna take this shirt back what a night though what a night it was so so much fun and also shout out to the student section like i i know that um like we're at a certain level in terms of success and everything but it's still very humbling to show up and have like fat head pictures and people going crazy like the student section was incredible all night so loud so welcoming to us not only do they have a bunch of energy but you forget if you're not around college students you forget how young they look sometimes i think they're younger i think that there's a bunch of like 16 and 17 year old overachievers going to wisconsin because they looked they there were a lot of baby faces yeah but then i look back and i'm like oh shit i used to be young yeah and like one woman asked me in in the hallway she's like how long ago did you graduate i was like 15 years she's like oh and i was like oh fuck dude she marty was there for that she literally was just like oh damn it uh but yeah thank you guys for coming too because i this this whole thing came together on sunday night we're literally sitting in the office i was like i think i want to go to this game do you guys want to come with me like and you guys were like yeah let's fucking go and now we're going to indie we're going to be in indie for the combine so we made a double trip out of it but i appreciate you guys coming because it would not have been as fun if it was just me and my phone and just like running around it was a blast yeah that was a lot of fun anything else i love live sports the best oh hey you know what crowds are back crowds are back so what were you gonna say did you have inspiration for the basketball titties no I mean I just know my my breasts are large and that's unprecedented move yeah I mean they look like basketballs if you if you and and Liam really was an incredible artist I just knew like listen I'm in it for the content like you can't you can say a lot of things about me but I don't I don't put out for the i put out for the people i do and let me just say this liam can back me up the cheerleaders were fucking digging it liam back me up dude they kept on it coming over at one point they came over and they asked for a picture i was like yeah do yeah, do you have a camera? They're like, no. I was like, okay.

And then they came back and they're like, we had a camera now.

And they were giving me, I think there's something to be said about like,

there's a lot of fucking little skinny college boys.

And then the big boys come around and it's like,

we got me and my tits and like my barrel chest.

PFT's got a lot of hair.

Like they saw some real men and they were like, whoa, this is different.

Dad bods are back.

Yeah.

This is different. I haven't seen this.
And I was like, yeah, there's a lot here. I also was just, like, gyrating and, like, rubbing my belly.
Oh, also, shout out to ESPN for putting a directive out there to not show us on camera at all. It was their instruction to not put us on television.
No joke. So if you did see us on tv it was purely by accident yes they we i there was a camera guy sitting in front of us i was like why don't you show us he's like we're not allowed to i was like are you work for usb and he's like yeah i was like okay cool well that's that's i guess this this little petty war continues but fuck it we had the best coverage of the night.
And also, shout out Ronan Caleb.

Two for two.

Unbelievable.

They stormed a court at TCU tonight.

So it's court storming.

This is March.

Yep.

Best time of the year.

Oh, last thing is we taped the rest of the podcast earlier today,

and we were just way wrong about MLB.

Yeah, baseball's done. MLB has canceled the first two series of the season so far yeah i saw that one of the reasons why they're held up in the negotiations is because one of the owners wants bigger bases this season he wants to increase the size of the base i love it i love it oh man what a night.
And then, yeah, we're off to Indy. Friday will be another great show.
We got a recurring guest, long-time recurring guest, that we have back and forth with all the time. He hasn't been on the show for a while.
Salt. Salt.
All right, let's go to Hot Seat Cool Throne. And Duncan Robinson, which was awesome.
Reminder, Duncan Robinson Part 2. We kept on taping with those guys.
We'll be on their podcast, which is The Long Shot with Duncan Robinson and Davis Reed. Reads.
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Suit man. I got a cool throne.
What's up, Hank? Big boss man Hank.

Vice president.

Yep.

My cool throne is... We did it, Joe.

We did it, Hank.

Bob Nightingale.

Wait, what's your hot seat?

What?

Your hot seat?

What?

Your hot seat is Hank because he's a suit.

Hank is a big time suit.

Hank went corporate on us.

This is my favorite storyline when corporate Kane is corporate Hank. He's going to come in in a suit.
My. Hank went corporate on us.
This is my favorite storyline. When corporate Kane is corporate Hank.

He's going to come in in a suit.

My hot seat is Jacob Poto.

Performance reviews.

Oh, well that.

Okay.

Yep.

He got dunked on bad.

What happened?

Yeah.

You got it.

Yaka Pirtle.

That's worth it.

Sorry.

That wasn't just.

That was the whole.

All right.

That was the whole. That was like you're getting.
You know, You have a beater of a car And you get hit from behind And you bring it in They're like It's totaled That whole name was totaled You know what's happened Jake flinched I saw him out of the corner of my eyes He's like You know what's happening Is Hank came in today Thinking he was the big suit But he ran into the OG suit Jake Marsh You totaled Had to put him back in place real. You totaled the name.
You totaled the back in place real quick. You totaled the name.
Say it again, Hank. The way you said it.
Jacob, I mean, it's fine. Say it again.
We've learned on the show, I am a phonetic reader. Jacob Pottle.
And what was it? I've heard, I've said, I might be wrong. No, no.
Stop, Jake. Double sportsmanship.
I said Yaka Pearl. Here I'm seeing Yaka Pottle.
Okay, either way. I was close.
He told the name. Okay, good hot seat.
John Morant dunked on him, though. Yeah, it was sick.
Doing John Morant things. Just hot seat city.
That was maybe the best 30 seconds of individual basketball I've ever seen in my life. And the end of quarter play when Steven Adams threw it full court and there was like .5 seconds left.
Yeah, it was nuts. And, I mean, this was going to be my cool throw, but let's just talk about it right court and there's like a 0.5 seconds left and he yeah it was it was nuts and i mean this was gonna be my cool throw but let's just talk about it right now um there's it's now trending towards like zion williamson john morant being one of the most embarrassing like it's it you know what it is it's become the greg odin kevin durant yeah like zion obviously i still think he'll be okay but he we have not heard from him.
They were roasting him on Mardi Gras.

You see that?

They had a huge fat guy.

And just like he was eating jambalaya with a walking boot on, which was very funny.

I mean, I'm going to say something controversial.

I think that Zion Williamson is a better player when he's fat.

I want him to get fatter, in fact.

Well, he doesn't play right now.

He's a better player.

He needs to get fatter.

Yeah, he just needs to get so fat that they roll him out there but yeah it's John Morant is that fucking good like he is absolutely electric the Grizzlies are awesome 50 burger last night 50 burger and he's like he is must watch tv and then Zion is just doesn't exist anymore and it hurts that Zion was the like in that draft class obviously John morant went to a smaller school but zion remember zion's duke year it was must watch tv yeah he was like holy shit incredible i also think that john morant has become maybe the most likable player the most likable youngster in the you gotta have him back on yeah i forgot that he's a recurring guest part of my take yeah his dad roasts him actually i want to have on the show. That too.
That's what we should do is get John Morant's dad on the show.

Mr. Morant, please come on the podcast to just berate your son

because right now he's playing so well that he's probably getting a big head.

Yep.

He needs you to come over the top and be like, hey, man, you stink.

We want him to score 60, not 50.

Okay, Hank.

Then my cool throne is Bob Nightingale.

Huge night for him.

Huge night.

I feel like he's kind of the laughingstock of the MLB Big Jay Journos.

He's the classic.

He's the Mike Carey of Big Jay Journos.

Thank you. My cool throne is Bob Nightingale.
Huge night for him. Huge night.
I feel like he's kind of the laughingstock of the MLB Big J journos. He's the classic.
He's the Mike Carey of Big J journos. Correct.
It's because he's got that profile picture. His avatar on Twitter is just, it's always laugh out loud when you see it.
Because he looks like an assistant principal in middle school. Like the one that tries to be fun.
Well, and also, there's a dying breed in sports journalism. There's nothing quite like a baseball journalist and jeff passan has kind of ruined it and i'm saying this is a compliment to jeff we'd like to have him on at some point but he is kind of like the cool new guy he gets it we need more bob nightingales john hayman like the guys who just don't get it and they tweet and they are like peter gammon's remember when he would just every like three weeks he would just tweet out of his pocket, like random numbers.
Yeah, I'd sit down like the guys who just don't get it and they tweet and they are like Peter Gammons. Remember when he would just every like three weeks, he would just tweet out of his pocket.
He would just sit down numbers. Yeah, he'd sit down like the letter F would just fill up the screen.
He'd hit tweet on it. But I miss that.
Like we need Bob Nightingale. I like Bob Nightingale because he does serve a purpose in the ecosystem.
Right. He's one of the old school guys.
Like if you open up one of his veins, just Diet Coke comes up. Yeah.
So what happened? So last night MLB talked. It seemed like they said the deadline was today.
And then last night at the 11th hour was probably, what, 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock. He put out a tweet that said the two sides have appeared to have reached a compromise on a 12-team postseason.
Whoa. Which was a big point of contention.
This was at 1041. And then that was kind of the waterfall for everyone being like, oh, it looks are happening things are happening things are happening although i will say i just pulled up his profile to find the tweets from last night and he just recently said where is it pulled up mlb believes that talks have gone backwards today oh no so there's been a material there was there was a point though where everyone was like oh my god bob nightingale finally this is his moment he's done it he finally you know broke news that's correct uh and actually this was 30 minutes ago so i hadn't even seen this yet and i it seemed like today yeah they were figuring out a deal they did it they moved back the deadline a few hours and there it was just a matter of time before you know they officially figured out the deal but now mlb the talks have gone backwards.
I think all that happened was the players realized that they have a great superpower where they can keep all the owners up past 9 p.m. Like Hal Steinbrenner is calling it a night at 11 o'clock.
He probably was gassed. So they just keep him up late enough.
They get loopy. They start making deals that they don't want to make.
And then they woke up today and they're like, wait, we don't want to do any of this. We're billionaires.
By the time this podcast drops, there will probably have been a decision made or will they're not? I would say either or. I think that there's definitely either going to be a decision made or they still might have some work to do closing the gap.
My sources are saying a deal will be made eventually. So what I'm hearing, and this is serious because I have actually been in touch with people on the ground there.
No, straight up. Here's what's going on right now.
The bagel guy, the guy handing out bagels. Yeah, yeah.
Here's what's going on right now. They're nearing a deal.
They're almost at a deal, but there still remains a couple issues where the two sides are far apart. Okay.
So I was actually talking, I wasn't talking to someone who was on the ground, I was talking to someone who's close to someone who's on the ground? Close to the ground? Yeah, because he wasn't there, but he has sources there, and he said that the next 24 hours will be very telling in the future of baseball. That was all he wanted to divulge.
Because both sides still have some issues that they're working towards. Correct.
So that's our prediction. I have a question for Hank.
Our informed prediction. What is the 11th hour? When you say the 11th hour, I'm just curious because I always hear that phrase, but I don't know what it means.
That's like 11 o'clock. That's the 11th hour.
What's the clock? Midnight.

I guess you have to midnight.

Wouldn't it be the 20?

Are we doing military time?

24 hour.

Yeah.

So that actually should be 02300.

Right.

I think it goes back to, you know, Big Ben.

You think there's anyone in Ukraine who's like, like still following like, I hope baseball season starts.

For sure.

Are you kidding me?

Bob Nightingale.

Get your shit together, bro.

I want to talk to that guy.

Probably not.

They got bigger things to worry about.

Your cool throne?

That was my cool throne.

Okay, that was your cool throne.

All right, good job.

Thank you very much, Hank.

Good job, Mr. Vice President.

PFT.

My hot seat is the Hugh Jackson Foundation.

Yeah.

Hugh Jackson Foundation firmly on the hot seat.

He is the coach at Grambling, and he hired Art Bryles from Baylor, the former Baylor head coach, to be their new offensive coordinator. A lot of people got upset about that, including Grambling quarterback, the former guy, Doug Williams, also former Redskins quarterback, won the Super Bowl.
Yeah. One guy didn't get upset.
One guy didn't get upset. Yeah.
Yes. Our very own Ben Mintz.
Oh, okay. He congratulated Art Bryles.
Oh, he was happy about it? Yeah, he said, great get. Okay, so a lot of people got upset about it, and then they ended up dismissing or coming to mutual understanding that Art Bryles would leave, but not before Hugh Jackson, I should say, excuse me, his foundation, totally separate from Hugh Jackson himself, tweeted out his support for Art Bryles.
And then everybody was like, wait a second. Why is there a Hugh Jackson Foundation? Nobody really knew that Hugh Jackson had a foundation until he tweeted out an official statement using their letterhead, not Grambling's letterhead, about the hire.
And then people looked into it. And Dan Murphy from ESPN found out the Hugh Jackson Foundation collected $158,000 in 2019.
It paid out $115,000 to its only paid employee and then spent $15,000 on travel. So the foundation gave out $4,000 in grants out of $158,000.
That's a lot of money. But then Hugh Jackson came over the top, also tweeting from his foundation saying, what you failed to report is where that money came from.
Hugh Jackson was the largest donor, and he personally donated over 75% of the funds. So Hugh Jackson, it seems, is funding the Hugh Jackson Foundation.
So now they're looking into it. Yeah, that's tax fraud.
Because I know exactly what he's doing. He's giving money to a foundation that you can write off and then paying probably his wife and then giving four thousand dollars away you might think something like that is going on big

cap but i personally think hugh jackson does need a foundation how how does a guy who has hugh

jackson's track record as a head coach like you would expect that that guy would need some charity

every now and again what a perfect hugh jackson story though to be like all right i want to

distance myself from my own stupidity of hiring art briles so i'm gonna have my foundation tweet

Thank you. every now and again.
What a perfect Hugh Jackson story, though, to be like, all right, I want to distance myself from my own stupidity of hiring Art Bryle, so I'm going to have my foundation tweet this out, and then someone looks into the foundation, and they're like, oh, tax fraud. Mm-hmm, yeah.
Stu Jackson is Sideshow Bob stepping into rakes. Hugh Jackson went 0 for 2 on this story.
Yeah, geez. Yeah, so he's in a lot of trouble probably moving forward.
That was the whole... Probably look like a maybe a taste of his foundation his foundation is in trouble or you know what he'll take it back you know what yeah he should just kind of rebrand it just call it the Hugh J foundation this might be a time to bring back the Hugh Jackson intro of Hot Seat Cool Throne we had a few years ago oh yeah that's right yeah Hugh Jacksonugh jackson had a drop on this podcast yeah yeah anyways get hugh jackson back in the nfl he was hilarious yeah for cameo yeah i'm on uh my cameo my cool throne is uncrustables i had my first uncrustable today in the airport and i've been on cloud nine ever since i don't know how i went my entire life without having one they're great i feel like unc like Uncrustables really came out maybe after I left the house.
Correct. Like after I graduated from high school, went to college.
I would assume that like- Graduated from college, worked for a few years. Yeah, no, they're very- Are they recent? They're within the last decade, I want to say, right? Maybe 15? Jake, can you look up when Uncrustables were invented? it? Thank you.
But they're fucking awesome. They're really good.

It was one of those things where I took it out of the package

and I just admired it for a second.

And then you bite into it and you can tell

that it was designed in a lab by

the flavor scientists.

It doesn't taste like anything that

you'd find in nature, but it's fucking amazing.

Well, it also is great because it's

the peanut butter and jelly with extra sugar. Yeah.
That's what they've done where it's like hey this is just a nice nice good snack it's good for you it's like no no that that is a candy bar and i'm fine with that jake you got it 1995 in fargo north dakota shit oh wow yeah i guess my family was just poor well no you poor no that would be i feel like uncrustable is a rich kid you think so yeah i think yeah you go over to your rich kids you like and they have a good video games and they're just like they're the mom walks in the kitchen she's like let me cook you a snack and she just throws you an uncrustable yeah like we don't we don't even fuck with the corner edges of bread yeah well i'm telling you what i'm done with i'm done with crusts i can't go back i uh yeah i i have not had more than maybe a half dozen Uncrustables. All's an adult, too.
So I think you're right. I don't think it was big when we were kids.
It wasn't big when we were kids. I think that's what it was.
I would love to just get stoned out of my mind and eat 20 Uncrustables. That sounds like the best time ever.
You make that sound like it's an unattainable goal. That's like Billy risking it all.
You can do that. You're going to do that probably on Friday night I'll do it on a live stream like my dream in life it sounds like it honestly sounds like the best time ever like put on a movie watch Avatar hit a gravity bong need some milk some water too maybe put milk in the bong oh that's a good idea not as popular grilled cheese on crustables I want a little bit of crust and grilled cheese because it's like a little texture in there yeah but yeah uncrustables fuck they absolutely very my mind today yeah my other cool throne was empathy and we've been talking a lot on this podcast about empathy and empaths we we are welcoming a brand new member to our collective here of empaths.
And Dominic and Sue. That's right.
Known empath. And Dominic and Sue said today online.
He was like, you know, what the world needs now is more empathy. Empathy is really going to cause a lot of changes in this world.
So thank you. And Dominic and Sue for stepping out and showing us how empathetic you are.
Yes. All right.
My hot seat is the Arizona Cardinals because Kyler Murray has issued a long statement from his agent, which was... It really was a test of how bad all of our collective attention spans have gotten because I saw it and I skimmed it.
It was maybe 300 words and I was like, nope, too long. I think it was more i think it was like five or six hundred but it was you you saw it right away you're like whoa yeah i read chill out dude i read the first sentence and then i just my eyes went down to the end and his god-awful logo apparently kyler murray has a logo what what's kyler murray it's very bizarre that he released this statement after a likeacle of a first-round exit, and this whole, like, we've turned around the Arizona Cardinals franchise.
They've had one winning season, and Kyler Murray has a lot of weapons and a lot of help. They traded for DeAndre Hopkins.
They traded for Zach Ertz in the middle of the season. He has, like, when healthy, they got A.
a.j. green like they went healthy i would say the cardinals have done the like probably top five in terms of going all in to help their quarterback yeah again he's just he leads the league in nonsense there's so much nonsense that this guy puts out i don't i don't know what he's really asking for because his two demands it's money it was his demands.
He's trying to act like the media is twisting his words and turning people against him. But his demands are, I want to be extremely highly paid and I want to win a Super Bowl.
Yes. These are my demands.
Yeah. It's like, okay.
Yeah. Ideally, I think every player in the NFL would also like that.
Yeah. It's wild.
I don't know how this. I mean, yeah, they're going to pay him and then he's going to be be upset, and he's going to be more upset, and they're not going to win, and he's going to be more upset.
And then he's going to – I feel like when he's like 28, he's going to be like, I'm going to go play baseball. He's just – he's an emo kid.
Yeah. That's what the problem is.
Yeah. He's probably got – Different generation, built different, not like us.
40-gauge earrings, spends all his time listening to Dashboard. My cool throne was Ja Morant, but I'll throw an extra hot seat in there uh skip bayless because lebron james went after uh writer i think lakers beat writer bill oram uh for misquoting him and every time lebron roasts a journalist i always think like how mad skip bayless must be because he's just been looking for acknowledgement by lebron for pretty much the last 15 years.
And LeBron will then pick, I'm sure Bill Orrham's a good journalist. I'm saying the lowest man on the total poll in terms of least visibility and go after him instead of going after a big dog like Skip Baird.
Yeah, it's not that he's the lowest man. It's just that I think LeBron is afraid of Skip.
Correct. And deservedly so.
But Skip's got to be like, what do I got to do at this point? I'm going to push back on that. I don't think that Skip wants LeBron to respond now.
I think it's gone so long. Oh, he wants him to come on.
No, he knows that he is dominant over LeBron James. Are you telling me that Skip Bayless doesn't want LeBron James to come on his show and debate him? I think it's better.
He absolutely does. I think it's better for Skip if LeBron continues to be afraid of him.
Because right now, Skip can be like, LeBron knows that I'm the alpha in this relationship. LeBron.
Because he goes out there and plays basketball, and then I talk about him playing basketball. Skip debating LeBron would be the greatest thing ever.
He probably prays and has Ernestine pray every single night for LeBron to accept his debate invitation.

Only on weekends when they push the beds together.

Could you imagine if LeBron debated Skip Bayless about LeBron's legacy with Skip Bayless?

See, I think it's a bad idea for LeBron because Skip would like the floor.

No, that's what I'm saying.

That's why Skip would love it.

He would come in.

Skip knows LeBron better than LeBron knows LeBron.

Yes, I think at the end of the day, LeBron would leave and he'd be like, What just happened? You know what? Jordan's the GOAT. Yeah, what just happened to me? Yeah, I'm not.
Did I really score eight points against the Mavericks in game four or whatever it was? This man is right. I don't want to shoot foul shots at the end of playoff games.
Oh, man. I am LeFraud.
You'd have to go to therapy. He'd start tweeting out, like, my Mouse ring.
Yes. Yes.
Skips right. The entire world gets COVID.
We go to Disney World for a month. Oh man.
All right, Jake, your hot seat holds your own. My hot seat are linebackers.
We've got a reminder in my phone, December 17th episode, Chiefs Chargers Thursday night recap. You guys said you are boycotting linebackers at the combine.
Nope.

Nope.

Not correct.

We were threatening to boycott the linebacker workout at the combine.

If.

If the NFL fucked over Cleveland.

That's right.

Because they were trying to fuck over the Browns.

They didn't.

We lifted our sanctions.

Yeah, we lifted our sanctions on Goodell.

I think the sanctions worked.

We applied pressure.

Yep.

Sanctions are hot in the streets right now.

That's fair.

If you want to get results, you sanction. That's how you do it.
We should start sanctioning random people. Okay.
Let's sanction Billy from drinking water. He'd just drink beer.
Yeah, he would. That would backfire on us.
That would backfire. My cool throne are people who hate Derek Jeter.
Oh, yeah. He stepped down as CEO of the Miami Marlins.

What was the...

Can you answer this for me, Jake?

What was the deal with the cones at his...

They coned off his parking spot at the practice facility when he stepped down, as if they

were going to keep him from coming back or something.

I don't know what it was.

It was very bizarre.

That was their way of change.

Search Derek Jeter parking spot. Is that like how they change the locks on the door if they fire somebody? It was very weird.
I don't. The Marlins are just a bizarre organization.
Actually, Jake, you know what you should do? Yeah. Oh, I see the cones.
Yeah. That doesn't really look like a big barrier.
I know. What were they doing? Or was it an homage? It was smart.
Credit to Derek Jeter to step down when baseball is having its intense labor negotiations and baseball is being threatened. That wasn't a headline that anyone remembers.
I have a statement from the number one Marlins fan in the world. I was going to ask about that because he texted me.
I never met the guy. Remember, he tried to pay off Derek Jeter.
He tried to give him a blank check. I am very upset, period.
Jeter wasn't Moses, period. Jeter didn't deliver from the bondage the oppressed Marlins fan, period.
We believed in his religion. We believed in Project Wolverine.
We trusted Jeter's process. Jeter failed.
Wow. Wait, did I miss...
Project Wolverine is because he would have gone to Michigan?

Did I miss out on Project Wolverine? Oh, there's more.

Holy shit.

He didn't go to Michigan, right?

He never played baseball in college.

I think he would have gone to Michigan.

It's like LeBron pretends he would have gone to Duke.

Project Wolverine...

This is actually a great point.

Points to Jake for people that hate Derek Jeter.

Me being one of them.

This is the earlier message from Marlins, man.

Losing team.

Losing money.

Fans hate him.

Never made playoffs. Traded away or let go.
Stanton, Yellich, Ozuna, Real Moto Gordon, Dietrich, Ichiro alienated fans laughing soccer baseball lied in court pleading that not a Florida corporation lied when said not negotiating the long term deal did away with orange oh this is the big one did away with orange after wearing it every single spring training day. Still, I am depressed.
Every superhero needs a villain. Plus, what direction is Marlon's going that Jeter can't agree with? A winning team? Exciting full stadium? Playoff team? World Series championship? A 100% total failure? What employer keeps someone running the company like that? You know what? Taking off to NYC now.
Is Jeter the superhero and he's the villain's the villain i think so yeah no i i think what we have to like marlins man should just run the marlins yeah there's no better man for the job they would definitely have those orange jerseys back yeah they'd be back the mermaids would be back he'd make he would make the entire team sit with him in between innings instead of the dugout build the entire stadium out of that goofy marlins sculpture that was in center field that used to circle around That was also fucked up. Derek Jeter took it out.
That was fucked up. You know what? I agree with Marlins, man.
Yeah. I think Jeter fucked up the Marlins on purpose.
Agreed. Sanctioned.
Good statement. Consider Jeter to be sanctioned by Marlins, man.
He is sanctioned by us, by this podcast. Did he send you the same exact message? Yes, I got the same text.
We will not have Derek Jeter on this podcast. Sanctioned.
Damn. Done.
Yeah. You heard it, Jake.
That was my AIM screen name. Jake Jeter 2.
Jake Jeter 2. Yeah.
Damn. Respect.
That is mad respect. We're two-packed.
Yeah. Yes.
Mad respect. All right.
Let's get to our interviews. We've got two great interviews.
We've got Duncan Robinson, who we have a two-parter, so the second part will be on his podcast, which will be out on Thursday. Go check it out.
What is it called again? Line? Line? Long shot. The long shot.
With Duncan Robinson and Davis Revis. Davis Reeves.
Miller. Davis Reeves.
If I got Davis Reeves, Davis is actually a really nice guy. Reed.
Very close. Davis was a very nice guy.
We had both of them on and then go listen to their second part that we just kept on talking, had a great time with them. And then we're going to have Aiden Hutchinson, who is maybe the number one pick in the draft, coming up right after him.
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It is Duncan Robinson and his co-host Davis Reed from the Long Shot podcast. And we're going to do a little something different.
We've done this before. We're doing a two-parter.
So the first part you're listening to right now on Pardon My Take, if you want to listen to the second part, it will be on The Long Shot with Duncan Robinson and Davis Reed. Out when? I'm going to give you a tip real quick.
I asked you when your podcast drops, and you gave me like, well, sometimes this time, sometimes this time, sometimes that time. I was like, dude, rule one, drop it.
Right. I mean, I'm binded by an nba schedule that i need to kind of you know work around league you play in yeah a little caveat but uh we usually we usually drop thursdays so this can be counted on for next thursday so what's today today's no yeah thursday we're gonna drop today's thursday say this thursday this thursday this thursday we're gonna drop this next week, so this Thursday, tune in to part two on the long shot.
All right, so we should start. I know that everyone's talked about it a million times, but are you here now going to disavow Juwan Howard? I'm happy you brought this up.
It's something I wanted to actually ask you about. I'm not willing to do that.
I know Juwan well. I played for Juwan.
Did he ever try to smush your face? Never had that issue. Yeah, I'm not willing to do it, to be honest with you.
And honestly, most of the Michigan people that I've talked to support him and are in his corner. No way.
Understand that it was a mistake. But I mean, I think that there's multiple people at fault.
There were some escalators. Really? I think there were some escalators.
Interesting. There were good people on both sides.
I actually don't think anyone who said Jawan Howard should be fired was an idiot. I actually do think he needs anger management.
I mean, he got a legitimate punishment. I mean, five games likely the rest of the season unfortunately we've had and well pedestrian year can you say that it was a legitimate punishment when he basically gets a better coach to fill in for him and win them games i will say phil's a legend he is a ton of energy uh big big phil martelli fan but uh i think yeah i think the punishment fit the crime i to take the opposite side, though.
I'm going to say that like Juwan Howard told him several times, stop touching me, stop touching me. He was standing at his ground.
If this took place in Florida, where you play, he would actually be legally in the right. There were also some – like he kind of got up under him, guard did.
Yeah, Greg Gardner. Like initially.
He's similar body exactly that that's sort of like offensive lineman move like get up under and i also think you saw juan trying to just move on right like he was just trying to acknowledge the disrespect that took place and just keep it moving and then there was like that interaction it was crazy because greg guard was trying to shake his hand in a handshake line which is very rarely done well don't touch me though here's here's a take that i'm just walking through the handshake i think handshake lines in general for college athletics is i mean it's just like a it's outdated why are we still doing it's just that's such an nba guy but it's just you wouldn't last a second in the nhl you know that but it's just's just like, what do you expect after a heated competitive game? Sportsmanship. But we got rid of them with COVID, and I think that should have just been like the, let's just move forward.
Because I like to see, I actually don't care if the players don't shake hands. I have no problem with it.
I want to see the coaches because I want to see who sucks at losing. So, so in the NBA, every bench does this the exact same.

You just give the courtesy, like hand up, you know, kind of wave.

You don't need to come, you know, bring it in, whatever.

You don't need to do that.

And it's just like, you don't have any altercations.

There's nothing.

You just do the wave, you know, little head nod, acknowledge it, head to the locker room.

And I feel like that's sportsmanship enough.

Well, the reason I like the handshake line is I want to see the rare occasion where the

handshake line turns into a fight.

I don't actually care about the sportsmanship. I just want to see the bad blood, whether it's a player or a coach coming together.
That's just like the game after the game in a way. It's a way for me to not have to change the channel immediately after the game ends.
I understand that. I agree.
I think it's good for the sport. This is Davis Reed, by the way.
Hey, everybody. Just wanted to give everyone a chance.
I love that I was in the intro, too. This is a big debut for Davis.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. From small town Kansas.
He's made it onto quite the production you guys think. Do you think Patrick Mahomes is his top five quarterback? Top two.
Probably not two. Oh.
But I'm biased. A lot of people say he's kind of a check down guy now.
Patty check downs is what we call them. That was out of necessity.
Right. They're dropping eight.
Right. He was still going.
Well, he couldn't beat them when they were dropping eight. Right.
No, they crack. Yeah.
We'll talk Chiefs later. All right.
So what was your point on handshakes? I'm going to die on the hill that I think it's good for – I mean, if you were told that every handshake line was going to include a slap from one of the head coaches, would you not watch every game? No, I love it. That's what I'm saying.
I want to see Coach K pissed off and have to shake someone's hand after he loses in the tournament. That's fun for me.
But if that's the case, then we can't be up in arms and calling for people's jobs when it does happen. When he smushes people? Yeah, when it does happen.
It's like, what do you expect? Yeah, I guess there is a line where it's like they could shake hands and not try to fight the whole other team. Yeah, no, it's like— But I guess the point to you.
But we are putting them in a situation where it's like, okay, you guys have just competed. Now go stand next to each other for three minutes, and then we're going to watch you to make sure that you stand next to each other correctly.
And if you don't, then we're going to call for you to be fired. We're like putting them in that position.
But again, that's part of the pageantry of sports. And I do think that there is something to watching a game on TV.
Imagine if you watched a game on TV, and the second the buzzer sounded, it just cut immediately to something else. You need like a little come down period, and watch the handshake line can do that.
But I think anyone that was calling for Jawan Howard to be fired over that is pretty much just a clown. It's a Michigan State.
I appreciate that. It's a Michigan State.
I appreciate that. All right, so the first place heat.
That's right. Which is crazy.
Heat culture. Is heat culture real? It's as real as ever.
What does it look like? It's alive and well. Could you see it on the street? That person has heat culture? I think if you were to see it on the screen, it would just be a picture of Pat Riley.
And then maybe Spo would be photoshopped in there as well because he now has been pushing the culture for so long. He embodies heat culture? Yeah, I think the combination of the two.
And then Udonis Haslam is in there as well, probably. Is he still on the team? What's his day-to-day like? Does he actually practice or does he show up and just wear the sweatpants the whole time? You know, I say this all the time and I actually mean this.
UD brings a ton of value to our team. Like genuinely.
From like a leadership locker room presence. I mean, he says it all the time.
He's like, I've seen everything but the wind in this league. That's like his line.
And it's true. He's gone through it all all all in the heat jersey uh has won championships has played every single role undrafted guy in many ways like embodies you know what a lot of guys on our roster are trying to get to um and you know he's had multiple times this year where he's come in and helped us win and he had the great altercation with dwight howard last year where he ejected 90 seconds into his minutes, which is special.
I love that, though. I love the fact that he's a spark guy.
You'll need him a couple times a year to get in the game. Don't ask him to play like every night, but the times that you need him, he'll come and he'll deliver.
He is the Miami Heat. It's like him and Dwayne Wade.
I'll say this. He would be an unbelievable guest on this show.

Tell him to come on the show and get it hooked up.

Unbelievable. We had him on our show and it was by far

our best interview.

A lot of cursing. A lot of great

stories. A lot of great Pat Riley

stories. Dwayne Wade stories.

He's just...

Let's get him on. Does he have kids? Is he

going to be like LeBron? Or is his kids already so old they can't be in the NBA anymore? He does have kids. I think he has three boys.
The oldest plays football in college. He's an offensive lineman somewhere, I'm pretty sure.
The middle is a really good baseball player in Miami. I think he'll probably play in college.
But, yeah, I don't think – I one plays plays basketball but no we're not we're not looking at a Bronny uh what do you situation what do you think about Bronny's game break it down for us somebody was actually somebody was just asking me honestly I'm not I'm not qualified to speak on and I'm not tapped into high school basketball um even though it seems like Sierra Canyon games are rivaling UCLA games in terms of attendance. I mean...
Could he start for Williams? That's a good question. I'm going to say probably.
Okay, all right. As a 16-year-old, he could.
Just for sheer athleticism, I've had the Williams debate a lot. Division III basketball.
Davis also played in the same conference. Okay, for which team? Yes, I don't love the slander.
Wesleyan. Not as good as Williams.
That's Bill Belichick, right? That's right. Yes.
It's a high level of skill. The athleticism is not quite there.
But it's a high level of skill, and I stand by that. You could just say white guys.
Yeah. What is that? Like, they get in the triple threat position a lot? There's a lot of skill.
A lot of, you know, sound, right basketball position, high IQ, first to the floor, a lot of charges being taken. Oh, man.
These guys are getting the most out of their athletic abilities. Yes, exactly.
Do you still fill it up? Do you still practice the triple threat position? Every now and then, yeah. Just like do it real quick for me.
Yeah. I mean, it brings back a lot of good memories.
That was my move at Williams. Now I do a lot of other things.
But, yeah, back then I was like triple threat. I actually wanted to talk about your season this year.
So you went through a slump. Yeah.
You were really bad. I was pretty bad.
Really bad. You were shooting 27% from three for like a stretch there.
Is that true? Yeah. 18 for 66.
Wow. You got the numbers.
Yeah, I do have the numbers. You crunched them.
And the thing is, you did it all. Like you did the like, all right, less is more.
I'm going to shoot less. I'm going to go one for five.
And then you did the, like, oh, maybe more is more, and you went five for 15 in one game from three. I think it was actually five for 17.
I'm looking at it right now. It was five for 15.
But I'll give you five for 17 if you want to take that. Was that against Celtics? It was against the Timberwolves.
Oh, no, you did go five for 17 against Celtics. Oh, so your bad stretch was actually longer than I thought.
Yeah. Whoops.
All right, so then you had 1 for 9, 0 for 6. In a real honest question, what actually goes through your mind when you're not shooting well? Because that's got to drive you insane.
You know how to shoot. 100%.
You're a great shooter. It just doesn't happen.
Yeah, it's a mix of emotions you know you go through like it's almost like a pecking order right like the first is frustration and you're like what the fuck like why what's going on then it's just like confusion after it gets to a certain point because you're like exactly that like i know how to shoot and then i'll the most frustrating thing is you'll have a workout or a practice where you just can't miss.

And then for whatever reason, it just doesn't come together in the game. But at the same time, that's like, and I know it sounds like a cliche answer, but it's actually genuine.
That's kind of what ultimately keeps you coming back to is like, you know, if you have it figured out all the time, it's like you're living on easy street. Yeah, it's great.
But you you got to have the perspective of those moments where you go whatever it was 18 of uh 66 but i will say like because that was mixed in with a time where we had some injuries we were like losing games because we had a great start uh had some injuries and then i had an opportunity to kind of like help keep us afloat and i did not step into that uh moment if you will so like in that instance it was like there's some dark times mixed in there as well did you did you try is it similar to a uh hitting slump in baseball where like were you talking to other people were you trying new things in practice i pulled out all the stops really yeah i mean that because like i had never had a slump to that extent oh wow um i've had've had stretches of, you know, whatever, three, four, five, even like maybe seven or eight games where it doesn't quite feel right or whatever. But the confusing thing about this one was throughout the stretch, the ball actually felt really good coming out of my hands.
It just wasn't going in. Which, like, that's actually the more frustrating one because it's like, all right, if it doesn't feel good, then you can try to remedy it.

You can try to find solutions.

But for me, it was everything feels good.

I'm doing everything the same.

I'm keeping my routine tight.

I'm doing all this, whatever, and it's still not going in.

So that's where it was like, all right. It would drive me insane.

You spend a lot of time trying to diagnose exactly what's wrong as opposed to trying to fix it.

So it's like twice as long a fix.

Yeah.

So what was the problem? I it was a a combination of things um you know like shooting i think shooting is super complex like it's not ever one thing right i think part of it was like the mental side of it like i started to press a little bit um you know once i kind of heard about a slump and you know guys like you on twitter and stuff i never anything. But people on Twitter or whatever.
I would have said something. I got to a point where I just started blocking all that stuff out.
And before I could actually block it out, I was saying that I was blocking it out, but wasn't actually blocking it out. You know what I mean? That's good to know.
It's like, I'm going to start blocking this out. And I say that publicly, but meanwhile, I'm still kind of tapped into it.
So I got to a point where it was really like, all right, I got to find a way to block this totally out. Which is, you know, delete the apps, whatever, stay off the phone, all that sort of stuff.
Which is a challenge in its own right. Right.
You have a podcast. Yeah, exactly.
A podcast went on a break. Oh, it did.
Davis was unemployed for a little while. It was that bad.
I mean, that wasn't like the reason. It was mostly just because it was like, I have my priorities elsewhere.
And I always on my podcast say like, anybody who thinks that my shooting is related to how much I'm doing a podcast is a fucking. But it does suck that they have that thing to point to and be like, Oh, it's the worst 45 minute podcast.
It's the worst. It's Thursdays or Fridays or maybe Wednesdays.
Like I, obviously I'm around my, my teammates are like the NBA, whatever. A lot of, I know people in the NBA and it's like, I know what goes on, what people are doing off the court.
And it's like, if you think that me stepping aside for 45 minutes a week to do a podcast yeah you're having a conversation essentially is like but they can say you need to spend less time podcasting more time in the gym exactly and that's the go-to like this like this one that we're taping right now for instance like you have what there's 90 minutes before you tip off against the knicks so like this is no well it's like 75 minutes now yeah so it's totally fine um yeah but it's like the fact if you suck against the nexticks. So, like, this is no problem.
Well, it's like 75 minutes now. Yeah, so it's totally fine.

Yeah, but it's like the fact.

If you suck against the Knicks,

what, is it tomorrow night?

Tomorrow night.

Yeah, tomorrow night.

It's going to be.

Oh, man.

We only had two beers.

Yeah, yeah.

A little weed, whatever.

But the fact that it's, like, public facing,

you know what I mean?

So it's like guys are doing whatever they're doing.

I'm not here to call it out names or whatever.

But, like, or even there's a huge thing now.

Well, it's like guys are doing whatever they're doing, and I'm not here to call out names or whatever. Or even there's a huge thing now in the NBA community of video games.
Guys spend hours and hours streaming their video games, and they'll be up at like 2 a.m. or whatever.
It's like, dude, I'm chopping it up with my high school friend and a guest for 45 minutes a week, and you think that's why the ball is not not going. Do you think that maybe there was something to the fact that you, you focus so hard on your offensive rebounding game this year? Because I ran the numbers on that too.
And in 2019, you had 10 offensive rebounds total for the entire season, 2020, you had seven offensive rebounds total for the entire season. Trending the wrong direction direction.
2021 to the All-Star break, you already have 20 offensive rebounds. Following your shot.
So you're on pace to nearly quadruple last year's numbers and September 2019's numbers, but it's at the cost of your three-point shot. I just said following a shot, and Duncan was like, yeah, thank you, and then he realized I was just saying he missed it's because he's missing so so what what changed what did you focus on this offseason to really amp up those offensive rebounding i watched a lot of uh dennis robman film oh wow i was just like how can i embody what this guy brings on a nightly basis um no so actually that was that was kind of like a running joke on our podcast last year davis had the idea of like queuing up my seven offensive rebounds and putting them in a highlight film.
It's a pretty sick highlight film. That's awesome.
With like some like suspenseful music. It's like one of those like high school mixtapes, like a John Wall mixtape soundtrack, but it's like me like getting an offensive rebound.
And the funniest thing about my offensive rebounds last year were like they were exactly that. Like I would rim and the ball would come right back to me from three.
So it wasn't like I was crashing. The biggest difference, honestly, is that we had a little shift in philosophy from a team standpoint of there was more of an emphasis to offensive rebound as a team.
So it's kind of a boring answer, but that's really why. Okay, so I have a question off that, but I wanted to go back to one thing real quick so you said like obviously guys are or you know you're podcasting other guys playing video games who's the best video game player that you've had as a teammate either current or former why are you laughing i see hassan like post a lot of his clips and stuff yeah uh anyone else what game uh what game? What game was it? Josh Richardson was really good at FIFA.
And I take pride in playing FIFA. But he didn't really stream, though.
Yeah. What about the streamers? I want guys to go aggro on the stream.
Look, it goes back to Juwan, all right? Oh, there we go, Davis. That's a good teammate right there.
I got him, Dave. That's a good fucking step in.
He tapped me in. It goes back to Juwan.
Look, these athletes, we revel in the competitiveness. That's true.
Sometimes our emotions get the best of us. It doesn't mean it's okay.
Wait, so you're doing, so when you say it like that, you're counting yourself as an NBA player now? I was going to say, Dave, where is that? That was an interesting use of we. I think he was speaking for me in that moment.
It's funny. We've had some guests that have passed questions to both of us.
Like, you guys are athletes. You understand.
And I always say, I never correct them. Fuck yeah, I am.
There's a spectrum of emotions. When the tempers get too high, you can finger point.
You can smush. Sometimes we get real high.
Just a racial slur comes up. Yeah, right.
I want to be very clear. It's just about competitiveness.
We are not supporting that behavior. No.
It's completely unacceptable. I want to clarify, if you're watching this, I'm not laughing at that behavior either.
No. It's more that you're laughing at the fact that we're dancing around it.
100%. People, though.
Our audience knows. Wait, so Spoh, though.
Great transition. Yes, great transition.
Great transition. He is an unbelievable coach.
I don't think he gets a ton of credit. Like, he gets credit, but obviously his championships came with LeBron, so everyone's like, oh, it's, you know, a super team.
What is it, if you could describe it, if it's something he does, something he sees that's different than everyone else, that makes him so great? That's a good question. That's a great question.
There's a lot to unpack there. I'll say there's two things that really stick out.
One is that he is, and this kind of ties in with the embodying heat culture, he is an everyday type of guy. Like he maximizes every opportunity every single day.
If we have a 20 minute walkthrough before a practice, it's like if we're on the floor and we're talking about something that's meaningful towards winning, like we are locked in and it's like, he's going to go down the line to make sure everybody is. The other side of that is, you know, I, since I've been in Miami, this is my fourth year.
We've different team makeups. And we've had to win in different ways.
And we've had to play in different ways. And we've also had different makeups in terms of the personalities.
When I first got there, we were like younger. My second year, we were definitely younger.
We had Jimmy and a bunch of young guys who were trying to prove themselves. You know, we were practicing all the time.
We were, you know, playing with this chip. And we we still play with that same chip, but the approach is much different because we have older, more proven guys.

And he, he just trusts that as a team, like we have accountability amongst each other where he's not going to like police and babysit, or even for that matter, like we've practiced a lot less this

year. And a lot of people would be like, well, well, that's not heat culture, blah, blah, blah.

But like the idea is that that just means we have more walkthroughs, more film sessions,

and we'll see locked in in those settings because we have guys like kyle lowry pj tucker uh you know jimmy who have a lot of miles right so it's like you got to find ways to to win in between the margins and it's not always like you know we call them like pads up practices where we wear knee pads and all that stuff that's a pat riley thing for sure like we're not doing that as much right as we once were when i was first starting out what about like a specific time where he drew up a play or he saw something before a game and gave you like a tip like hey this is what like it was like holy shit that he like unlocked yeah i love those stories whenever it's like oh yeah he saw this told me and then i had the best game of my life so him and i have a really interesting relationship i mean he he gave it gave me a ton of confidence and like and so the bunch of belief in me early on when like quite honestly like i was undrafted my first year and i was very much in one of those like slumps for the entirety of the year i could couldn't make a shot. I think I shot 28% from three my first year.

You can pull the numbers on that if you're curious.

And the following year into training camp, he comes out publicly and is like, Duncan's one of the best shooters on the planet.

And he kind of got crushed for it in a way in that everyone's like,

this guy who hasn't done anything at the nba level

like what are you talking about um so he like he builds up confidence but then at the same time like he'll lay into me and like light me up if i'm like not shooting or not being aggressive so he's had a bunch of instances where like he just kind of knows the buttons to push and you can see it actually if you watch like if i pass up a shot that he thinks is a good shot he'll like get like physically he'll have like physical antics like on the bench and he'll be like you know mixed in with some curse words like basically like what are you doing i like that though like the fact that your coach he's the biggest hard ass on you when you're not shooting yes that's got to be great for your confidence actually because it's like this guy believes in me so much so much that I'm getting in trouble for not shooting. Yeah, I mean, there was a great interaction in the bubble with Jalen Brown.
I was in the Eastern Conference Finals, and the bubble is like an intimate setting, right? There's no fans or whatever, so you can basically hear everything. And I passed up a shot in the corner, and I was running back, and we were running along the sideline that the coaches are on, is like laying into me like curse words all sorts of stuff and he's like jane's like yo what is he yelling at you about i was like he's mad that i didn't shoot that three and he's like god it's like he was like it's like that i was like yeah man i just basically shoot it every time i touch it like and that that's kind of awesome that was like the role you know what i mean and like i it took me a while to get to the point where I felt comfortable doing that sort of stuff.
Because I was undrafted. I played Division III basketball.
I'm four years removed from playing in front of 1,200 people in fucking Western Massachusetts. So it took me a while to get to the point where this guy, this Hall of Fame coach, wants me to shoot it every time I touch it.
What's more awkward, when he yells at you or when Jimmy Butler just calls you dumb publicly? I've got the quote right here. He says, I've played with some pretty smart players before.
Duncan's like the dumbest one out of all of them. I've been around some Hall of Famers.
Wait, no, that means he's smart, though. Wait, wait, wait.
There's more. I've been around some Hall of Famers, really really great players it helps when you got guys that are extremely smart and know the game except for duncan he dumb oh okay so no because i thought for a second there it sounded like you saying of all the smart players he's the dumbest yeah so that doesn't count the dumb players it sounds like you're just dumb i will spin zone he's calling you a really great player, I think, but you're just dumb.

But I'm dumb, yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I'll take what I can get, honestly.

That one was actually funny enough.

That was in the time of that slump you were alluding to

where I was just entirely off social media.

So Davis actually broke that news to me.

He's like, do you see what Jimmy said?

And this was like two days later.

I was like, no, I have no idea what you're talking about because I was just off my phone. He's like, yeah, he called you dominant press conference.
And then I got to look it up for some context. But, you know, it's just Jimmy being Jimmy.
Yeah, Jimmy being Jimmy. Would that be a good thing for your jump shot, though? Like if you're dumb, you can't overthink it.
It's probably harder to get into a slump, I would imagine. Yeah.
I mean, I'm a classic overthinker, like in every sense of the phrase. So like it's probably harder to get into a slump i would imagine yeah i mean i'm a classic overthinker like in every sense of the the phrase so like it's not really working for me um but yeah you would think that if i you know had less thoughts and i would just let it fly i've always said that like the dumbest kicker that you could ever find would be great for a football team because you never you never get in your own head about he just doesn't even understand the right the moment you know it's just like doesn't doesn't even register.
How many times has Jimmy changed his phone number since you've been on the Heat? I think just twice. I think it's more than that.
I think just twice. I think he changes a lot.
After the bubble, I think he changed it now to a Hawaii number or something. It was very obscure.
But yeah, I think just twice. I remember talking to someone who was on the Bulls with jimmy and he was like yeah he changes his number like every few months yeah honestly i probably just have like maybe one or two renditions of his number like he probably has you know a whole assortment of phones along those same lines um and we're we're gonna wrap up this portion and we'll do the rest on your guys' podcast in a second, but in terms of an NBA locker room, I think there's a lot of times where we as fans are like, oh, all these guys are friends.
They hang out all the time because they're around each other all the time. How close would you say you are to your teammates, and is there a hanging out after practice hanging out like goofing around or is it a lot more of a business situation yeah it's definitely different I mean college basketball is very much you know you're going to class you're living in the dorms you're you know study hall or whatever practice lifts all that stuff like you're doing everything together eating all your meals the nba is different in that there is kind of like a nine to five approach in a way right like guys are showing up to work after i finish my work i'm going home i want to be with my family i want to be with my friends or like even younger guys if they don't have families like they kind of got their crew that they got podcasts co-hosts yeah i got podcasts dav podcasts.
Davis spends a lot of time in Miami, that sort of stuff. So it is different.
I will say this year, this is probably the closest Heat team. It might rival the Bubble team.
Those two that I've been on in terms of we all, if we're in a city, we try to go to get dinner. And also at the same time, it's like naturally it's kind of in groups groups like older guys kind of tend to do their own things not that's not to say that we all don't like hang out occasionally together but um you know just naturally like younger guys i i mean i'm 27 i guess i'm not that young anymore i did like 10 yeah i did five years of college yeah my time um not dumb you're talking about like it's prison yeah i did five years of high school too damn hard time you are dumb i call it the 10 year i call it the 10 year plan you know i just really took my time i think that's what jimmy was getting at yeah maybe but you could also look at that i've had a lot of education you know i've sat in a lot of classrooms stick though that remains to be seen i think i think what like as a fan i think it bums me out because i watch a team and i'm like you know every fan has done this like oh how fun would it be to be on that team and it's like i'm thinking in my head like oh we just fucking kick it after like it'd be so sick but it's not like that it's not necessarily like that but you naturally do spend a lot of time with each other because of the travel schedule you know on planes buses uh practices before after in hotels like there is just by like default a lot of that you know like when we're all like we've been on the road a bunch this year our our road schedule has been like super front loaded um like in march we're in miami basically the entire time so yeah and like instances like that guys are taking advantage of being back and going to spend time with their family and stuff um and also like it's also miami so there's a lot to do like people are would you consider yourself to be like a are you a medium-sized baller are you a big baller in miami i'm probably probably just passing the threshold in the medium-sized baller.
If you walk down South Beach. From a little baller.
Yeah, from a little baller. Yeah, so you're on the way up.
Your baller status has increased with the new contract. Honestly, actually, I'm probably still a pretty small baller.
Can you drop your name if you're making a reservation? I mean, I personally cringe when I do that. So, like, I have a friend of mine who I just call and, like, you know.
That's such for you, though. That's much more low-key.
You've got a guy that you have called. Right.
Yeah. And I will say he's, you know, he's basically batting 100.
Okay. We should start dropping Duncan Robinson's name in Miami.
But I know if he didn't show up, we'd be like, no, one of us is Duncan Robinson. Well well it depends on if he's in a slump or not here's the thing with my guy you can just say Davis it's actually not it's not necessarily my name that gets it done it's just that he is as persistent as you could possibly imagine you can, because that would be all.
You can't say that. You can't call.
I think once you get to Big Baller and you just say, what's the name, and you say Dungan Robinson, they're like, oh, sir, okay, good. You do need someone to be like, yo, he plays for the Heat, I swear to God.
He'll come in a jersey to prove it. Well, you could also be like, I've learned some tactics, is you can be ambiguous a little bit and like, my client plays for the Heat and then maybe they're like, oh, well, maybe it's Jimmy Butler.
We're not going to deny Jimmy Butler a table. He's not bam.
Yeah, whereas if he would just come out and say like, oh, it's Duncan Robinson, maybe they'll be like, I have no idea who that is, which is probably in all likelihood what it would be. Well, if you play in a different city, Miami's just very famous and very – Yeah.
You got DJ Khaled running around down there. Right.
Dave's running around. Like, you think my name's moving weight? It's just not.
Who would you say runs Miami now? Who's the biggest celebrity down there? It's got to be Pitbull always, right? Until he dies. Mr.
Worldwide. Danny Boykane? Mr.
305. Yeah.
He's in the mix as well. He's definitely in the mix.
He's getting that train to the stadium. I think Pitbull isbull is i mean a combination of pitbull and dj callad i would say and honestly uh dave grutman too yeah he's in the mix and that's dave portman's friend yeah yeah yes he's definitely yeah um all right so let's do here i'm gonna give everyone a teaser so i'm gonna hockey is on and no matter the city no matter the And no matter the city, no matter the team, no matter the game, whether it's face-off or penalty shots, regular season or playoffs, win or lose, no matter what happens, no matter where it happens, amsterdam vodka is there use code take for 20 off your first purchase all right so my last question we're going to end the this interview here and we're going to do the second part on the long shot with duncan robinson and davis reed my last question is davis have you how much part of my take have you listened to a decent amount.
Do you know about the roast we did of, of not your, your, you personally,

but your. The last question is, Davis, how much part of my take have you listened to? A decent amount.

Do you know about the roast we did of not you personally but your name?

No.

Okay, so we're going to do that in a second on your show.

Okay, I can't wait.

All right.

Do you want to reset or will you just keep going?

No, just keep going.

All right, so let's do it.

Hey, what's going on there, pal?

We saw you at the hockey game on.

Do I know you guys?

I'm Ryan Whitney. I got a drink named after me.
Not a big deal. Pink Whitney? That's what I thought.
See you, fellas. I invented the thing, you pigeon.
Pink Whitney for legendary moments. And Hutchinson.
And now for something completely different. Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest, potentially first pick in the NFL draft.
It is Aiden Hutchinson from the University of Michigan. He's here with AutoTrader.
See the sweatshirt, love it. Super Bowl week, you're doing the whole thing.
You're doing the car wash. So we'll try to hopefully ask you some questions that maybe you haven't been asked.
But maybe one that you have been asked. Which state would you rather live in, Florida or Michigan? Right.
So with Florida, you've got the no income tax. You've got, I mean, it's blistering hot during fall camp, but then Michigan, you've kind of got the reverse.
You've got income tax, but that camp will be smooth, and there's a lot of benefits to both. That's tough.
I mean, that's what's good is I got family in Michigan too. So it's like.

But do you want to have the pressure where you got to get tickets every game for them?

I mean, the tickets.

I don't know.

I can't imagine how many tickets I'm going to need.

Yeah.

Especially because I got.

Although it is the Lions, so.

I know.

Well, hopefully if I go there, we start winning.

Yeah.

That's the plan.

That would be ideal right there.

A lot of people, me, are saying that you should do the old Eli Manning.

Just demand if you get selected before the Lions that you want to go to Detroit and create them and be the guy that turns Detroit to... You and Dan Campbell.
That's right. I bet you'd like playing for Dan Campbell.
I've seen some interviews of him tearing up and he sounds like he's super passionate about the boys over there. It sounds like from what I hear from my agent and stuff like that, the boys are all bought in.
Yeah. I mean, they're all in it.
We love Campbell. They fought for him.
I mean, you had a guy. We love Jim Harbaugh.
We've had him on the show a bunch of times. What's your best Harbaugh story or, like, the most quintessential? I feel like Harbaugh probably wouldn't, especially this season, he just, like, grabbed you a bunch and like you know you know like ah you're doing this for me we had a few moments in games where we were just grabbing each other and screaming face to face and like there was there's some clips from where i was just going ah and it's like it's just unbelievable and i mean like the harbaugh that that we like, pre-practice.
I go out there in our weight room just warming up, and he's out there, like, no shirt, khakis on, just ripping squats. And that's, like, he doesn't give a shit, like, what you say or what you think.
Like, he just, he does his own thing. And, like, that's what I love about him is, about him is like he has no shame in like doing that just just ripping squats and khakis and just doing his thing and like that's that's harbaugh and hey if you're not with him you better you better get get out of the way yeah does he uh does he text you a little bit he's not he's not a big phone guy right he's more of you know an in-person kind of dude he uses excel everything.
That's what we found out about him. Really? When he's writing up, he doesn't use a Word document, doesn't use Google Docs.
He types everything into an Excel spreadsheet. See, I didn't even know that.
Yeah, into Excel and then copies and pastes. That sounds like a Harbaugh thing, though.
Yeah. Yes.
I've heard one of his favorite moves is the first time that he sees a younger player with a tennis skull or something like that, he'll go up to him and be like, hey, you know what the five-finger horseshoe is? Did he ever do that to you? No. And he'll just straight up put five fingers into the guy's ten, take out their entire pack of tobacco, and put it in his lip, and just walk away.
I mean, that sounds like Coach Harbaugh right there. He does a lot of stuff that you kind of sit there and you're like, oh, well, okay.
I mean, that's different, but hey, that's Coach Harbaugh. Yeah.
I would imagine, I mean, we were very happy for him when you guys beat Ohio State. How long was that – because you had the Big Ten championship game right after, but how long was that glow? Because I feel like I watched all the – I don't like Michigan.
I'm a Badger, but I love Harbaugh. Fortunately, we took out your Badgers this year.
Yeah, I mean, we beat you like 500 times in a row and get the shit out of you. I'm just glad I could go out on a win again.
Yeah, all right, okay. Just beating their ass at the Badgers.
Yeah, but let's – I mean, I could look up like how many – We count 2020. But what about 2019 when we just ran the ball down your throat like 100 times in a row? That's got to suck.
2021. okay whatever right so let's so you disagree i was saying yeah i was saying i want i root for harbaugh i want him to do well so i watched like all the highlight videos from like the locker room and the smile did he have that smile for like days after because it was such a big moment for him i know it was for the team but like so many doubters you know who would have been like 0-6 or 0-7.
Yeah. So that was everything for him.
No, he was, he was on a high, I think. It was, I saw it a little bit after the Ohio State game, but it was mostly after we got the job done in Indy, where it's like, you can finally take a breath and you get a little break.
And like, I mean, we, we walk in some team meetings sometimes and he'd just be like, and we and we're big 10 champs baby and the whole the whole room would just go go crazy and stuff like that but like so he was feeling himself for sure but like that's like that's a hardball i haven't seen yeah and so being able to see that side of him where it's like finally we get some freaking glory and we can just have some fun and victory.

It was like I'm glad I got to see that for my last year with me.

Do you actually hate Ohio State?

Yeah.

No, it's real.

I grew up in Michigan too, you got to know.

I grew up literally watching Michigan lose to Ohio State every single year.

So it was deep.

And your dad was a captain, right, of Michigan football?

My dad was a captain back in the 90s, and he never lost to Ohio State. He was 4-0-1.
He tied them once. And he won five Big Ten championships, two in a row.
I'm just glad I could finally beat OSU and get a ring of my own. Do you think you could beat up your dad? Now? Yeah.
Absolutely. What age was that? So we would always arm wrestle a little bit.
I think when I turned 18, we were arm wrestling, and he screwed up his elbow. And I think that was the point where I was like, I can finally get your ass a little bit.
Man of the house. That's got to be a tough pill to swallow if you're your dad.
Like, you're, you know, like you said, Michigan captain, a legend. You like to think that you're always going to be able to dominate your son.
Oh, 100%. It happens to all of us, man.
Yeah. It's crazy.
I mean, but you still got that dad strength, though. Yeah.
You can't sleep on the dad strength. No, dad strength for real.
See, so I don't know his true potential in terms of dad strength because, you know, he just keeps it.

Right.

If you were in danger, he would be able to.

He would turn dad mode and, you know.

It's kind of a catch-22 situation because, yeah, if you were in danger, he could activate the dad strength.

But then he couldn't use that dad strength to hurt you.

That's right.

You know, so you always kind of have one up on him.

If you punch yourself.

Yeah, it'll stop you by knocking you out. He'll be like, hey, dude, stop hitting my son.
That's right. So you always kind of have one up on him.
If you punch yourself. Yeah, it'll stop you by knocking you out.
He'll be like, hey, dude, stop hitting my son. That's right.
Well, Big Cat is a dad. Do you think that you could escape this room right now? Like if all of us, it's me, Bubba, Hank, Billy, Big Cat.
Yeah, all of us. That's a lot of bodies right there.
If we told you you can't fucking leave. Yeah.
You think you could take it?

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Yeah.

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With Autotrader right here, I might be able to.

Yeah.

I think you'd probably take us.

I'm pretty confident.

I'd just lay down.

I don't know.

I don't know.

If you guys devise a plan with the legs, arms.

That would be us coordinating it.

We probably wouldn't work. That's right.
If we could actually have a plan together. Now, one by one, maybe.
Billy would go war mode, and our plan would be gone. Yeah.
He would do the old Leroy Jenkins thing. Yeah.
That's right. I got this, boys.
I'd be like, okay, I'm going to grab a sweatshirt and pull the hockey sweater over him. Hank, you take one leg.
Bubba, you take the other. Big cat, you bear hug him.
Then Billy just runs directly at you and gets killed. I'm very curious about this.
This season was incredible for you. Going into this season, what were the conversations about where you would potentially be in the draft? My junior year, it was the third game I broke my ankle.
We only played six games that year, so I kind of had a decision to make, and they had projected me 30 to 75, so that's late first anywhere to the early third, and that was kind of what I was looking at, and I knew my potential, and I knew it, so I knew I could be a top guy, but just kind of how my cards fell my junior year, I wasn't able to show it. So my senior year, we come, I get a new coordinator, and he kind of opens my role up.
He gives me a ton of freedom to just go out and do my thing. And I knew preseason, I was like, I just feel like I'm about to just explode once I get on that field just because he's letting me do really not whatever I want, but you know if I go and make a mistake like it's not it's not the end of the world he knows you know what kind of player I am and I'm going to make up for it and you know all that stuff so so was there a moment where you like was there a specific moment you can remember where you read a draft a mock draft or you saw something where it's like oh now now they're talking about me top 10 right yeah it was uh I think it was after the Washington game they had a good tackle and I had like two and a half sack game and it was kind of my first game that was like it was a it was a question like how is it gonna do against Washington their tackles and I went and had a game like that that was when I first started seeing like you know the first round like top 10 stuff and then start seeing I them going to the Lions.
I'm like, oh, this is crazy. Okay, so now this is a very human moment, and I'm sure it happened to you, and you shouldn't feel ashamed about it.
Did you then go look up what the difference between the 30th pick and the 5th pick makes money? I've already known about that. Yeah, that's got to be cool.
I mean, it's insane five now and that's all right so looking at the numbers it's insane like dudes like when they say a first round pick like i mean that can that's a difference of like from from first to 30 or 32 it's like 30 million dollars yeah inside you're probably like 20 million in signing bonus so it's like it's a big disparity and you know just to be

in this conversation of being on top is really cool yeah who do you model yourself after if you're looking at somebody that's playing football right now or has played within the last five years is there a pro that you're like i want to be like that yeah no i watch a lot of nfl film and i kind of like taking bits of pieces i watch a lot of tj i mean tj is an absolute baller and i watch the Bosa's.

Those three are

really guys who I

watch. And I try to take little things to add in my game and make it my own style.
Other high-motor guys? Yeah. Gritty guys.
Grit? Yeah. Sounds like you like...
I saw you on Chris Long's show too. Yeah.
No, Chris Long. Yeah, he's a great guy.
And you guys were getting like a little bit nerdy with it, with the real in-depth discussion about technique and stuff. That's right.
Yeah. We were getting a little football.
Yeah. So I heard on that that when you were playing for your old coordinator, who we love, by the way.
Yeah. I mean, guys being dudes.
Like he's the guy, you're either a guy or a dude, right? When did you become a

dude?

I think when I was a,

he officially said it to me,

I think more

transitioning to when I was a junior.

This is Dom Brown, yeah, the former. Dom Beazie.

Dom Beazie.

Yeah, I think he said it to me, and that's like the ultimate

sign

of like, you made it. You've been knighted at that point.
Yeah, you're knighted to a dude. No, he was hilarious in those meetings, though, and he was an old man who freaking got after it and got after us.
Yeah. Solve all your problems with aggression.
That's right. That was my favorite clip ever.
Yeah. No, he's a funny dude.
We want to help you. So do you want to address the quote-unquote weaknesses in your game that are going to be talked about? So I think – I have them in front of me if you want me to go with them.
You don't have to go through them. Well, how's your hip flexibility? I got great hip flexibility.
Don't listen to them. Who are you talking to? I'm reading right now.
It says Hutchinson has displayed limited hip flexibility. I'm going to ask.
Yeah, yeah. So we need to ask.
How would you say your flexibility feels? Look, man, I feel extremely flexible in my hips. Okay.
And despite whoever that is, whatever they say, I mean, if they see it, I guess they got the right to their own opinion. The other one that I like, I don't even really understand.
They said that you're going to need to adjust to the snap counts in the NFL because they're not as simple. Do you have snap count problems? I mean, I was jumping the snap count a lot in college.
Right. You can't do that in the pros.
You can't. Aaron Rodgers likes to cheat.
That's right. Yeah.
Do you freelance too much? Ooh. Was that a weakness? No, I just made that up for asking.
It's just something that you – I really don't freelance that much. That's right.
Yeah. Do you freelance too much? Ooh.

Was that a weakness?

No, I just said that.

I really don't freelance that much.

See, I'll counter or I'll take a B-gap like

one set. Probably

twice a game, if not. So

I'm not a big freelancer, but just knowing

in my head that I got a little freedom

keeps me out of you. Because you're going to

get asked these questions at the combine. 100%.
Yeah. What are some other questions? Are you a cat or a dog? Yes, a cat or a dog.
Oh no. This is the easiest question.
This is already a failure. I'm just saying though, if I say I'm a dog, I mean, it's...
It's an easy question. It's too easy.
I'm trying to be more complex about it. Maybe you go with, I'm actually a lion.
Maybe. That's a cat.
If it's with Dan Campbell, you say it's too easy. This is like the baseline question.
I'm trying to be more complex about it. Oh, maybe you go with, like, I'm actually a lion.

Maybe.

That's a cat.

If it's with Dan Campbell, you say it's a lion.

Yeah, right.

And you're like, wait, or are you a jaguar?

They're both cats.

Well, that's a cat.

Yeah, I know.

Well, there are no dogs.

There are no dogs in there.

Right.

See, now you guys got me.

No.

I don't know.

What would you say is like a lion versus jaguar

who wins in a fight i feel like a lion right king of the jungle yeah yeah they're way bigger okay yeah i mean what's your favorite jungle what's your favorite movie that has a character named Simba.

Hmm.

I mean...

Lion King is what you're saying?

Yeah.

I mean... a lot i mean it's lion king is what you're saying yeah i mean lion king but you really love lions huh so you think a jaguar no wait a lion beats a jaguar but what if like a giant walked in i mean what kind of how big is this giant he's big he's blue he's big he's a big giant He's a big blue giant.
Yeah. I feel like the giant will win.
Oh, interesting. But then, last second.
But how giant is the giant? A jet comes and crashes into the giant. Who survives that crash? Well, I'm assuming the giant is not from this planet.
Right. So I would assume that he would survive a plane crash.
Okay. So the giant.
The giant also pays a lot of money in taxes, though. Yeah, I would assume so.
A ton of money. Yes, a lot.
Way too much money. The Giant actually has to move to Florida for seven months out of the year so he doesn't get taxed like he lives in Florida.
Oh, actually, so when you go to the Combine, if you do, because what do the Giants have, the third pick or fourth pick maybe? They've got two of them. No, they have the fifth.
They have have the fifth. Jets have the fourth.
Okay, who's got the third? Texans? No. Yeah, Texans.
Alright, so if you do get to talk to Brian Dable, we've had him on. Yeah.
He loves these nuts jokes. Really? You try to hit him with one.
Yeah. Really? Because he actually he absolutely wouldn't expect it in that setting.
Did you go out on a limb and you hit him with one? We tried to.

Josh Allen told us to try to do it.

Oh, that's why.

All he does is talk about him.

But if you did that in the combine setting, I think his guard would be down.

You could get him.

How about this?

That would be a power move, though.

That would be incredible.

That would be a power move.

Here's what you do.

You go in and you say, hey, I'm Aiden.

He goes, Aiden.

And you go, yeah.

Aiden, nuts look pretty big, huh?

That's right.

That'd be a power move.

Oh, man.

Yeah.

He would love you forever.

He would.

And I could tell you, like.

Would they trade up, maybe?

Yeah.

I think you could legitimately make yourself, like, $3 billion if you could hit Fry and Dayball with a well-executed D's nuts.

He would think of it every day, like, when he looks at the draft board.

He's like, but God, can Hutchins got me good? This guy gets it. This guy gets it.
He just gets it. I'm going to start formulating some stuff in my head.
I'm telling you, it would be incredible if you did it, if you pulled that off. All right, so I had one last question.
What was the walking away from the semifinal game? Obviously, it didn't go your guys' way. Michigan had a great season, but was Georgia really that good? Because I'm just curious from an opponent's standpoint.
They win the national title. Talk about how unbelievable they were.
Could you feel it? I think schematically they were better than us.

I think they got us into some situations that, you know,

not that we didn't expect, but that we got to be better and execute our own game plan.

But in terms of, you know, it just felt like another football team.

You know, everyone wants to say SEC versus Big Ten,

but like it was a good old line.

I mean, they're big dudes, but every old line.. It's like Wisconsin's O-line got some big-ass dudes.
And it's like, it doesn't really matter. I don't know.
I mean, they were good. It's just like, you know, I felt that they really took me out of that game.
Props to them because I think they schematically made the game and took me out of it. And, you know, they got us, and it hurt but what about your old line do you did they regret doing that walk-in because that was that was tough i know i know run the damn ball yeah it looked a little bit better but see the thing the thing with georgia's defense they were they were built to to stop like gap gap scheme run plays and like that's a lot of our offense had those gap scheme counters, power, stuff like that.
And, you know, I mean, with the big dogs in the middle, I mean, that's like their defense was so talented. And, I mean, how do you beat them? I mean, Bama showed you how to spread them out.
You got to, you know, fast tempo, get those guys tired. And, yeah, so I think they matched up very well against us.
Yeah. I mean, the crazy thing about Georgia is even their big guys are super fast.
So you can spread them out a little bit, and you can make them tired, but it's going to take a while for them to get one. It was tough because you ran into, in my opinion, one of the best defenses in the history of college football.
100%, yeah. But not to take away from the season you guys had because it was amazing.
I just And I just want to ask you real quick about going into that week against Ohio State.

Like, what was the tone like? How intense was it around practice? Was it one of those atmospheres where, like, everyone's a little bit on edge? Right. Or were you guys, like, enthusiastic, happy, carefree? What was that like? um you know coach harbaugh renamed our nine on seven drill to uh beat the beat ohio drill uh

during spring ball because he felt like we need to put more of an emphasis on it so um when we were hitting the beat ohio drill on on ohio state week um that's when it that's when it got pretty real and um you know that's when i mean we knew i mean we've been we've been preparing for those guys since January. So, you know, there wasn't too much of a difference because, you know, I mean, we were all, like, no one was satisfied with any win because we all just wanted to beat the freaking Bucs.
Like, that was the last thing we all wanted to do. See, that's interesting.
And we did it. I think it's kind of something that I had thought at times.
I know other people had, but it's like your team was built to win one football game. Right.
That's against Ohio State. And it's built under the assumption that if we're able to beat Ohio State, then the rest we can take care of that.
That was the mindset because Ohio State was always the top dog. And if we – exactly, literally word for word, if we were built to beat Ohio State, I mean, who's going to be able to beat us? But obviously Georgia, you know, great football team.
I'd imagine Ricks was pretty sick that night. Skeeps was pretty crazy.
Skeeps? It was crazy. I mean, Ricks, I like Ricks because I've been to Ricks a couple times and it's like there's always at least like two inches of water.
Right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a classic college bar. I know, I know.
It was, Ann Arbor was freaking crazy that night. It was great, though.
It was real cool. All right.
Well, good luck. You probably owe us a little money off your signing bonus.
We can talk about that later. Yeah, good luck.
Well, if you get drafted by the Giants, you definitely own us. It's going to work if you do it.
I'm saying it at the combine i'm doing it yeah he will it will absolutely land like he he when we did it to him he was like so happy that we were even bringing it up so yeah um all right but yeah best of luck at the combine draft all that stuff um always welcome back on so appreciate it man thanks. Appreciate it.
Okay, let's wrap up the show.

We're going to do a little Guys on College.

We're back in Madison.

Higher education.

Higher education.

That's right.

That's what we call it.

Guys on College-y.

We'll also have a great show on Friday.

We got to have one of our favorite recurring guests.

We're going to be an indie for the combine.

So get ready for that.

Higher education.

What's up, fellas? Sup, fellas? Sup? I'm currently a sophomore in college, which means my whole first year was remote due to COVID, and something I've figured out is remote basically means you don't have to do anything. Yep, true.
Well, problem is now that I actually have in-person classes, I just don't go because I'm too used to smoking weed and playing video games. So I was just wondering if I can graduate without going to class for the rest of my college career.
Thanks boys. I'll hang up and listen.
Yeah, you sure can. It's called being an English major.
It's pretty simple. Actually, the tip, I assume he's at a bigger college because you can't pull it off it at like a smaller liberal arts school.
But the tip I always give is I would either read the book or go to class one or the other. You pick one or the other and you'll be fine.
I would either go, like if I didn't want to read the book, I'd go to every single class. If I didn't feel like going to class, I'd read every single book on the list.
Because they basically give you all the answers in college. You just got to either read the book or go to class.
Yeah, I would say that the point of college, unless you're studying to become a doctor, that's pretty much it. Just only if you're going to be a doctor and actually work on people's bodies the point of going to college is to have a good time and to walk out of there in four years with a piece of paper saying that you graduated that's it whatever way you can take to get there go for it i'm gonna take a wild guess say this guy's not gonna be a doctor probably not yeah no offense bro but i'm saying like you can college you're a fucking idiot the point for me at least going to college was just to have a good time yeah and then once i would graduate then i would get a job and maybe that piece of paper would help me get a better job yeah but seriously just read the book every every professor you got to remember every professor you ever had has been doing the same thing because they're lazy so they've been doing the same lesson plan for like probably 20 years if they have tenure and everything so they don't change anything and they basically make it so that if you read the book you'll have all the answers or if you listen to them drone on in class you'll have all the answers i'm also a big fan of just the grind set in general the grind set mentality which is like just sometimes you learn more by cheating and learning how to pass that way then you would actually learn from reading the book itself well if you cheat you can tell yourself, I'm not really book smarts.
I'm street smarts. Yeah, exactly.
I'm going to be in the mafia. That's a good way to put it.
Yeah. Hank's dapping himself up.
Then on your LinkedIn profile, you can be like, education, school of hard knocks. Yeah, exactly.
I was wondering if any of y'all had any funny experiences taking an exam, going to class, drunk or asked because last friday i started drinking on the early side completely forgetting i had an online test to take by midnight i remembered the test a few hours later and then went back home to take the test while fucked up and i'm pretty sure i bombed it have you guys ever had a similar situation and how did it end up yeah i um trying to think of which one to tell because there are two one time one time i went to school uh went to went to class when i was accidentally way way way too drunk i drank a lot of beer and it was an hour from the from the morning after or during the day i accidentally got day drunk and uh that can happen it can happen it was i we were walking up state street madison today and i turned to hank i was like this is the type of day because it's like 45 degrees in madison right now i was like this is the type of day i would just at noon i would just start getting fucking blacked out yeah on a tuesday it's a perfect day drinking yes i may have had a spotted cow also at like 10 30 this morning just one when in rome uh but i so i had a little bit too much to drink before class it was a spanish class and i forgot how to speak spanish because i was so drunk and you're like peter griffin when he played the piano it was a disaster it was like an abject disaster and then after the class was over i'm sure you knew that i was drunk i got up to leave and um i've never had to pee so bad in my entire life that i couldn't actually walk yeah i was like leaning against the lockers walking down the hallway because i couldn't do a full walk because if my bladder stretched out that far I was just gonna piss myself no joke there's I was like falling down yeah I'm having to pee not because I was drunk there's nothing worse than the pee that you have after you've broken the seal and you keep drinking because you like once you break the seal you have to pee every like 30 minutes and if you stop you it does feel like you're going to die. It starts expanding so much.
And then there was this person I was paired up with for a group project in that class. After we walked out, I was like, do you think the professor knew I was drunk? And she was like, yeah.
Yeah, definitely. Everybody knew that you were drunk.
I was never drunk or high for a test. I had more class than that.
No, I just... My other trick was I would just make sure that I don't think...
I think after my freshman year, I never had a class on Fridays. That's smart.
I made sure to... It would be like, oh, this class is interesting.
Oh, it's on Fridays. Never mind.
So that's how you shape America's future. They really shouldn't have classes on Fridays.
Yeah, I remember vividly passing on a few classes that looked very interesting, but I was like up Friday at noon. That's a no go.
That's a no fly zone. I tried one semester to get every single class on Tuesday and Thursday.
Yeah. I had nothing but classes back to back.
And then I realized after trying on the first Tuesday of school that I actually physically couldn't get around campus fast enough to get into every building necessary for those classes. But the only reason was like, can you imagine just having a four-day weekend every weekend? Yeah, it's incredible.
I had to redo everything and kind of change my mindset after that. Hello, Big Cat, PFT, Hank, Jake, Bubba, and William.
I'm going on my first spring break trip next week and wanted to know if you guys had any advice to make it a good time. Yeah.
Oh, go ahead. Go to an arts and crafts store or a party supply store and get every single color wristband that you can possibly get.
That way, you can get into any hotel, any resort that you're going to. I don't know if you're going to a beach area where it's all-inclusive or it's like a spring break destination, but they will keep people out if you don't have the right color wristband to get in, showing that you're actually living there for the week.
Also, the clubs, they have different color wristbands. Just stock up on wristbands.
And even if you put like six or seven of them on your wrist to start the week, if you just walk into a place confidently with a bunch of wristbands, the bouncer is not going to file through your wristbands to see if they can find the right exact one.

That's true.

I was going to say just go with it.

Don't say no means no still, but say yes to everything.

That's what I would say.

Say yes to everything.

Because there will be times like, hey, should we go do this?

Should we go drink?

Should we take a road? Yes, yes, yes, yes to everything like because there will be times like hey should we go do this should we go drink should we go do like should we take a road to like yes yes yes yes to everything but no means no all right a couple more uh what was each of your majors and did you ever switch for me i was a finance major and once did so bad on a test that the teacher also my advisor didn't hand back my test results but instead gave me the change major form to marketing with all the signatures needed already except my own go bonus that's pretty nice i was history in poli sci and my history i switched or you're no i double no big deal um but no well because my history i i found a loophole that like in every big school has this i did a honors history whole thing where I had like to write a thesis everything but i found a professor who was like my mentor and he was pretty much dead he was so old i don't think he read a word of what i wrote he never made me come to do anything like it was incredible he just was like you're a nice kid just a a a it was that's find the oldest professor on campus and have him be your mentor that's a little life hack for you because he's probably going to die very soon he doesn't care about reading and they like it when the young kids the guy was so old he was like 90 years old I'm pretty sure it was illegal for him to still be a professor I like to imagine that there's an alternate universe in which Big Cat does a political podcast with like the Johns the Pod. The Pod Save America Johns and Dan.
Well, what I said was... It would be the Dans and the Johns.
The Dans and the Johns. History, poli-sci is essentially the majors of...
I was thinking about maybe going to law school at some point. Yeah.
And then was like, I'm too dumb for that. What that is, it's like a kid being like, lawyers make a lot of money.
Yeah, like, oh, I don't know. And then I was like, wait, I don't want to be a lawyer.
Send me down the money street. Fuck that.
I ended up being an English lit major. And the reason why I kind of backed my way into that was after two and a half semesters.
So halfway through my junior year, my advisor called me into her office for a meeting. And she goes, hey, you still haven't declared a major yet.
What's going on here? I was like, well, I don't really know what I want to do. And then she made me just write down a list of professions that i wanted to be and they were all over the map i think i think i had like i'd like to be a cartoonist i'd like to be a police officer i'd like to be a gym teacher how old i'd like to be a writer yeah no basically i was a construction worker uh but so she sat me down and she just said well i you have no idea what you want to do i don't know what you want to do let's look at the classes that you've already taken and just so happened that I had taken enough classes to put me on kind of a track to be an English major that was similar for my my history part was just like I got to like halfway through college you're like hey if you just do one extra class yeah with this dead professor you can be a history major too and also she goes uh the nice part about this one is you only have to take one math class.
I was like, sold. I guess I'm an English major.
I don't think it's okay. My math class was maybe the funniest class ever because it was the same question the entire semester.
The question was, okay, this pond has 10,000 fish in it. They die at a rate of 15% a year, but they reproduce at a rate of 30% per year.
How many fish will be in the pond after three years? And so he would just do that question, but just have different types of animals. Percentage? Oh, yeah.
He would just switch the animals up. Like there are 20,000 antelopes on the prairie.
What's the answer? I have no idea. I forgot how to do it.
Jake, you got it? All right. Thank you.
I need to know the fish answer. Hi, Hogcat, PF Cheeks, and Henry Lockgod.
Have I become a nerd if I was the first person to finish my dynamics exam yesterday, or am I just that dumb? I airballed two threes in my intramural game last week, but was blaming it on the stress fractures in my foot. Now I'm wondering if it's because I've turned nerd.
Love the content as always. Thanks, guys.
Okay. No, you're not a nerd.
There's nothing better than finishing first. I've had that a couple times in college and then especially you finish first and then you turn it in and you just give a little, man, that was easy.
As you walk out, even though you probably sucked. No, I always feel like if I finish first, I fucked something up.
Yeah, I know. It can't be that easy.
Yeah, no, you fucked it up, But to put it into everyone else's heads where you're like, damn, was that as easy as you thought it was? What is a dynamics test? Sounds like robots. Yeah.
You're a robot guy? We're so dumb we can't even tell you what major you are if you give us clues, context clues. Have you ever thought about with your kids you're going to have to teach them math at some point? Yeah, no, I'm not.
Have you looked at what math? No, no. what math no no i don't know i am not i don't do math i am not going to be teaching them math that's what a tutor is for i'm very bad at math there will be i've actually thought about this i think i think confidently i can say sixth grade is when that my son will be better at math than me yep i i would even say like when is the times tables? Third grade? I can do times tables.
Yeah. But then if you've ever gone back and looked at a high school textbook for math when it's trigonometry, I was a fucking genius when I was 16 to understand that shit.
I don't get it. I can't do anything with that now.
No, it goes right over my head. I think you said 10,000 a year, die 15 at 30 i think that's an additional 1500 per year okay so now they're wait but do they die before they reproduce that's that's a good question i don't know because that changes everything or do they reproduce before they die that would have been a great question asked to be like the biggest asshole in the class be like actually your question's wrong yeah professor because they because the mating cycles show that they reproduce first and then the 15% die off maybe it was just a critical thinking class the entire time and he was waiting for somebody to ask him that question and nobody ever did alright you got one more? two more? I do have one more both very dou Both very douchey.
That's fine. You choose.
The douche here. All right.
What's going on, PMT crew? Oh, no. Within our fraternity, we created a basketball league.
Everyone plays each other in the regular season proceeding and in the playoffs. Naked.
Play to a target score of 45 each game. 45? Last night in the second round of regular season games, the Kremlin were facing off against the ugly tuna saloon big kahunas.
The kahunas were leading 43-40 when they forced a turnover and had a 2-on-1 fast break. It sounds like a David Spade movie.
The captain of the Kremlin, Paul, dumb name. I don't know if he's talking about the Kremlin or Paul, decided to full-on spear tackle the guy with the ball, then stormed off the court when everyone yelled at him.
He proceeded to go full Bobby Knight and throw things like his shoes and water bottle on the court. How should we punish these unjust actions? I think that guy rules.
That's funny. Honestly, Paul sounds like he's Shane from Love is Blind season two, which we need to do a recap of.
Yes, no spoilers. I don't think the fact that he went and had a temper tantrum, like if he had just tackled him, I think that's bullshit.
And everyone knows the guy who like just point, you know, when you're playing pickup and it's point game and they just foul just constantly, that sucks. But the fact that he went full Bobby Knight and started throwing his clothes and everything, I think he's kind of awesome.
I think that Paul's the only sane one in the fraternity because you're playing a tournament of games and it's up to 45 points to win. Paul was just the first person to rightly point out, like, this whole situation is fucked.
Yeah, I'm on Paul's side. Yeah.
All right, last question. No sanctions for Paul.
No. What's an ideal body count for a senior in college? Wait, what was it? What's an ideal body count for a senior in college? I like that guy because he listens to this show and he's like, they got to give Billy some more air time.
He's a real star. That guy's, yeah.
Yeah, he's like, dude, Billy's's been making a lot of sense ideal body count for a senior in college Jesus alright let's do numbers oh you know what we'll have your answer for you in one second Tim Tebow was a virgin and he won the Heisman Trophy we'll have your answer for you everyone guess what's an ideal body What's an ideal body count? 25. 17.
I'm going to say 22. I'm going to say one.
Okay, one. What do we got? Bubba.
No, we aren't. Say that six.
52. If you don't fuck 52 chicks.
Eighth timer. New record.
Whoa. 52.
If you don't fucking 52 chicks. 52 is a little slut.
You're a fucking. Like, you didn't even go to college, bro.
You didn't even go to college. Was he talking about fucking or killing? No, both.
The Aaron Hernandez hat trick. Yeah.
Yeah, what if this was Ted Bundy who just wrote in? Love you guys. Love you guys.
Yeah, 52. Does Billy have an animal fact for us? I have a baseball update as of two minutes ago, 4 p.m.
Eastern. John Heyman, players are expected to vote no on the, quote, best and final MLB proposal.

Bam.

Okay.

Hang on.

I'm going to Google Animal Fact.

We'll update this at the beginning of the show. Yeah.

Animal Fact, did you know that elephants hold grudges?

I think he's definitely done that before.

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