Duncan Robinson and Aidan Hutchinson. Plus, the boys storm the court at Wisconsin

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we are live from the Cole Center after watching the Wisconsin Badgers win the Big Ten Championship, storming the court, not Big Ten Championship, Big Ten.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Big Ten regular season title, storming the court. We're going to recap everything.
We also have a couple great interviews.

Speaker 1 Duncan Robinson, and then also Aiden Hutchinson, a little higher education, tips on college from us.

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Speaker 1 And the Wisconsin Badgers have won the Big Ten regular season. Holy shit.

Speaker 1 We're here. What a night.
Woo. Hey.

Speaker 3 Hey, you know what? Tonight is one of those nights that, and I didn't really have a dog in the fight besides wanting to support Big Cat. Thank you.
And also betting on the Wisconsin Badgers team.

Speaker 3 And bucket list. And bucket, but I'm saying, like, this makes me realize and appreciate how much ass live sports kick.

Speaker 1 Yes, they kick tremendous ass. Now, for people who aren't on social media, who maybe don't follow us on social media, we actually didn't talk about this on Sunday.

Speaker 1 We are in Madison, Wisconsin right now. My alma mater.

Speaker 1 We came here this morning. I showed the boys the town.
We went to the game. The Badgers rolled out the red carpet for us.
We had a perfect setup. We're in the basketball offices right now.

Speaker 1 We're front row of the student section. The Badgers win the game, beat Purdue, win the Big Ten championship, or our regular season title.
We storm the court. Holy shit.
What a night.

Speaker 1 Like, pretty much, like, what, like, people, people go to,

Speaker 1 what do you say? Oh,

Speaker 1 our paint. We painted our titties.

Speaker 3 I think I might be a chess paint guy from now on. Big Cat had two basketballs on his tits.

Speaker 1 You want to say the joke? You want to say the joke that someone said that was very funny?

Speaker 3 That you were dribbling without using your hands.

Speaker 1 They were bouncing a little bit.

Speaker 3 There was a lot of Airbnbs.

Speaker 1 Tom Brady has not been here tits. That's one of those ones where you got to just tip your cap to the internet.
Like, partially,

Speaker 1 it hurt my feelings a little bit because I know I'm very overweight and I have like a solid like B, maybe C cup. But I also am like, dude.
Fair play. Like, that was very funny.

Speaker 3 Marty Mush had Johnny Davis 316 on his chest.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you had an unbelievable badger.

Speaker 3 I was a badger. Bubba painted my chest in a very realistic way.
It was so realistic, actually, when Bucky saw it. He tried to attack me.

Speaker 1 It was so realistic. I FaceTimed my family before, like, at six o'clock at night, and I showed my son your chest, and he yelled, Bucky.
So that it was

Speaker 1 every test. Bubba did a great job.

Speaker 3 It was so much fun. I actually, I'm without chest paint now.
It all rubbed off. Oh, dude, look at this.

Speaker 1 After we stormed the court, I got nothing.

Speaker 3 All my chest. Some poor people were out there on the court tonight, and they went home with just the remnants of my chest badger all over them.

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 3 It was fun. I have to imagine that this is a night big cat where like if you were in college.
Oh, imagine, imagine you're a senior in college at Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 If you had died and went to heaven, tonight is probably pretty close to that simulation. Yes.

Speaker 1 And it's, it's honestly like, we are very, very lucky to have been here tonight because think about it. You could go to college.

Speaker 1 You go to a power five college. You go four years and never have a moment like this.
You know what I mean? Like I never stormed to court when I was in college.

Speaker 1 I stormed a field, but like there's many schools that never have. We came here, we like swooped in and got to live like the greatest existence for one night.
They actually

Speaker 3 got Big Cat up on stage to give a speech after the game with the team.

Speaker 1 They gave him a story.

Speaker 1 I'm wearing the hat and the, and they threw me a Big Ten title hat and a Big Ten title shirt. And they're like, come up on stage.
Actually, they didn't say come up on stage.

Speaker 1 The announcer said, Big Cat, you're somewhere out there. We need you again on Sunday against Nebraska.
And I heard him say, we need you. And I just started walking up to the stage.

Speaker 1 And then once I got up there, they're like, well, you might as well give a speech.

Speaker 3 Well, before the game started, Big Cat got invited up to the DJ booth to give up the pump-up speech. And we were sitting backstage kind of brainstorming what he was going to say.

Speaker 3 came to the conclusion like, okay, swearing is probably out of the picture. Correct.
Probably should not do that. So you get up on stage after the game's over.
They give you the mic for one sentence.

Speaker 3 And what do you say?

Speaker 1 I said, you guys fucking ruined it.

Speaker 3 i figured the kids are gone like any kids that are still here like their parents if you if you're a parent of a small child and it's 10 30 at night swearing's okay and also you have to teach your kids that there are no inappropriate words just inappropriate times to use them yes i feel like winning a big ten championship on your home court against a higher ranked team yes as underdogs you're allowed to drop a hard f and it was it was an insane game it was back and forth like awesome game uh who's back?

Speaker 3 Bank shots.

Speaker 1 Bank shots. People will cry because Wisconsin is lucky.
I don't care. They want, like, they were supposed to not be in the bracket this year, according to some experts.

Speaker 1 I just said,

Speaker 1 oh, I did.

Speaker 5 I just sent their notes out.

Speaker 1 Oh, I wasn't even, I didn't even know you were here, Jake. Shit.
I didn't know Jake was right here. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was wrong. How funny is it, though, to think about this for a second?

Speaker 1 We were sitting in Hoboken in like early November after watching all day of football, sitting there having to, you know, like do a podcast at one in the morning.

Speaker 1 And at the end of the show, you're like, my first bracket came out. Wisconsin's not in the tournament.
And now we're sitting here in the call center and they're a two-seed,

Speaker 1 probably a two-seed, at least a three-seed. I don't want them to be a one-seed.
That's too much pressure.

Speaker 1 Well, how many quad one wins do you have? A lot. Probably 10.
A lot. Stack one wins.
Racks on racks of quad ones. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I apologize.

Speaker 5 Some people think I'm the only person in the world who didn't have them in.

Speaker 1 Don't point a finger. It's you.
It's you. You're the only person I know personally.
Jake, what's the point? That's true. That's true.

Speaker 3 What lesson did you learn?

Speaker 5 I learned that I was meant to be a play-by-play guy where you don't have to make predictions.

Speaker 1 No, no, no.

Speaker 3 No, Jake, because you weren't making a prediction. You were just putting the bracket out as it stood, right?

Speaker 3 That's true. Maybe take some chances, Jake.

Speaker 1 Also, I'm just going to preemptively say this because I know there's a lot of people who don't like how lucky Wisconsin is. Very similar to Providence.

Speaker 1 I I gave this speech on Sunday, but if you're someone who's sitting at home and being like, well, they're going to lose in the tournament, well, 67 teams are going to lose in the tournament.

Speaker 1 I'm going to enjoy the fuck out of this night. I don't care.
Sports are about the journey. This was an awesome night.
This season has been an awesome season.

Speaker 1 This team is like, I think they think I'm on the team now. I think Greg Gard looked at me and was like, can you give me some fouls? Because they were just fucking throwing me up there.

Speaker 1 And I did not fit in with my. What are you going to say, Hank?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, the t-shirt. The t-shirt canon was a lot too fun.
I've never felt more like God than when I had the t-shirt cannon. That thing goes.

Speaker 3 Dude, it not only goes, but it also is on this pivoting thing, which rotates you 360 degrees as you're firing. You looked like you were in charge of a tank.

Speaker 1 It was so awesome.

Speaker 3 And so while you were doing that, Marty and I were chucking t-shirts with our bare hands, old school style, up into the stands.

Speaker 1 Saw dogging it.

Speaker 3 And we both threw out our arms. Like, our arms are fucking dead right now.
I think I actually broke something in my wrist throwing those t-shirts.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 1 It was a hell of a night.

Speaker 1 The Chucky Hepburn bank shot was ridiculous. I mean, the final

Speaker 1 12 seconds, the fact that Jaden Ivey hit the three and Greg Gard didn't call a timeout was like, okay, I guess we're just going for this.

Speaker 1 Hits the bank shot three. Who else? Oh, Johnny Day.
Bank shot three.

Speaker 1 That was a bank shot that makes people very mad. There was a lot of people very mad.

Speaker 3 It was loud in there, but I heard him call it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I did too. I mean, if you watch it back, the angle was correct.

Speaker 3 He called it. It was the big fundamental.
It was a page right out of Tim Duncan's playbook.

Speaker 1 Yes, he just fucking bank shot threeded in.

Speaker 3 I actually wouldn't be surprised if Wisconsin wins the natty this year.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 don't do this to me. Let me have tonight.
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 I'm not saying like, I'm not going to be surprised if they win the natty. I'm saying if they do win the natty, if Big Cat gets a ring.

Speaker 3 That's how much he seemed like he was part of the team afterwards.

Speaker 3 To be honest with you, we were watching the scoreboard after the game was over and after the court storming was over. And when they're doing the presentation, they've got everybody on stage.

Speaker 3 I was not surprised when the guy was like, let's get Big Cat up there.

Speaker 1 I was like, yeah, that makes sense. I mean, they threw me a hat and a shirt like instantly before half the team had one.

Speaker 1 I also,

Speaker 1 I got to say, college kids, like, I forget how much energy college kids have because, one, my feet are dead. Like, we stood the whole game.

Speaker 1 I want to, like, sit in a fucking Epsom Epsom salt bath for the rest of the night. Two, and we have this on video.
I'm sure you had a similar experience, PFT. We stormed the court, which was awesome.

Speaker 1 Like, so much fun. Dancing, mosh pit.
Maybe three minutes into storming the court. I was like, I need to get out of here.
I'm going to die in the here because I can't.

Speaker 1 I have no ability to like stand anymore. I'm so sweaty.
I'm so tired. I'm so out of shape.
Like, I think that I looked at Jake and I was tapping my head for the the oxygen.

Speaker 1 And he was like, I can't do anything.

Speaker 3 It's funny because a lot of colleges are like, you know what? We don't want the kids to storm the court. Things could get dangerous.
Here they're like, you know what?

Speaker 1 We're going to play Mo Bamba followed by Turn Down for What?

Speaker 3 Hopefully that'll clear the court off a little bit.

Speaker 1 Every time banger after banger, and I was like, no. Yeah.
Because you had to dance to a sport. Later on, it was a little dream music.

Speaker 6 Let me get out of here.

Speaker 1 It was, yeah. What a fucking night.

Speaker 1 You guys enjoy Madison? Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 Good sports town. Great sports town.

Speaker 5 This arena is probably the nicest college venue.

Speaker 1 It's a real arena. It's like a real...
It's a real venue. It could be an NBA arena.
It really felt like it. Yeah,

Speaker 1 it was a hell of a night. Can we get Marty over here for a sec? Because I want to hear from Marty.
He's a noted Wisconsin hater. He was actually the best was after the game.

Speaker 1 So we were, I got, I was like, it was one of those situations where I was like getting

Speaker 1 like... Basically ushered around with the team.
It was very similar to the Blackhawks when Patrick Sharp was like, no, you're coming with with us. I was like, wait, no, I shouldn't be here.

Speaker 1 They were just

Speaker 1 pushing me around everywhere. And I ended up in the back tunnel by the locker room.
And Joe Krabenhoff of, shout out Joe Krabenhoff, fucking loved him as a Badger. Assistant coach of Juwan Howard

Speaker 1 face smushing fame.

Speaker 1 Just walked up to Marty. He goes, you were in fucking Rutgers gear three days ago.

Speaker 1 Right in Marty's face.

Speaker 1 Noted Wisconsin hater Marty Mush.

Speaker 3 Did you think about smushing him?

Speaker 1 Yeah. I was thinking about no, Joe would have smushed you.
Joe's a fucking tough dude.

Speaker 1 I was on the court, like storming it, and some girl looked at me with a sigh and goes, You shouldn't fucking be here.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I'm sorry, I'm very viable, but no joke. Thank you for letting me come.
It's fucking unbelievable. Okay, so do you believe in us a little bit? I believe in you a little bit.

Speaker 1 Okay, I mean, the wall is unbelievable. He was, dude, his post-moves against Edie, who's like twice his size, were incredible.
Edie's a freak. He really is.
How do you nicely take a shit?

Speaker 3 When he moves, it looks like he has to like tell each individual part of his body to move. He's that big.
He's like, okay, pick up the right leg. He's like one of those guys that's got like a robot.

Speaker 3 He's a robot body with like a little man inside of him pulling all the levers.

Speaker 1 Yes, he does like one.

Speaker 1 Oh, I wanted to tell you too. Marty knows how the Badgers won this game.
It was one thing and one thing only. Do you want to say?

Speaker 1 The little kid. It was the little kid.
I don't think anyone else caught it besides me and Marty, and I think Jake helped a little too.

Speaker 1 The little kid was like looking around like because they rip up the newspaper for the game. There were two little kids sitting in front of us that were doing, I think they were doing the floor.

Speaker 1 They were like cleaning it and they were maybe like six, seven years old. And one of them would go ahead.
And one, the kid just wanted a Johnny Davis one. We could not find it for what?

Speaker 1 A piece of paper. Just the newspaper with Johnny Davis' face on it.
Couldn't find it. The game's gone.
Big Kat is not watching. He's like, I need to find this kid or we're going to lose.

Speaker 1 Because Purdue was going on a run. I was like, if if we don't find this Johnny Davis thing, we're going to lose this game.
And then we found it. We found it.
And it literally flipped all the momentum.

Speaker 1 It went on a run. So shout out to that kid.
You knew it. You knew right away.
I literally turned to Marty.

Speaker 1 I was like, if we don't find a fucking picture of Johnny Davis for this little kid, we're going to lose this game. We're starting to get mad.
Where the fuck is this?

Speaker 3 Is that the same kid that when Bucky came by, he took my shirt?

Speaker 1 Yes. Yes.
He tried to take it back.

Speaker 3 I was shirtless, naturally. But you need a shirt to be presentable in certain environments, like going up into the level that we were up at halftime.

Speaker 3 And And then after the game, I figured I would need a shirt to walk around. And Bucky the Badger just came by, picked my shirt up off the ground, and then gave it to that little kid.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, fuck. Yeah.
How do I get my shirt back from a child?

Speaker 1 And I just took it. Yeah, I just literally just took it back.

Speaker 1 It's a dad thing now, like where I see a little kid. I'm like, all right, this could be my son.
I'm just going to take this shirt back.

Speaker 3 What a night, though. What a night.

Speaker 1 It was so, so much fun. And also, shout out to the student section.
Like,

Speaker 1 I know that

Speaker 1 we're at a certain level in terms of success and everything, but it's still very humbling to show up and have like fathead pictures and people going crazy.

Speaker 1 Like the student section was incredible all night. So loud, so welcoming to us.

Speaker 3 Not only do they have a bunch of energy, but you forget, if you're not around college students, you forget how young they look sometimes. I think they're younger.

Speaker 3 I think that there's a bunch of like 16 and 17 year old overachievers going to Wisconsin because they looked, there were a lot of baby faces. But then I look back at them.

Speaker 3 I'm like, oh shit, I used to be young.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And like one woman asked me in in the hallway she's like how long ago did you graduate i was like 15 years she's like oh and i was like oh fuck dude

Speaker 1 she barty was there for that she literally was just like oh

Speaker 1 damn it uh but yeah thank you guys for coming too because i it this this whole thing came together on sunday night we're literally sitting in the office and i was like I think I want to go to this game.

Speaker 1 Do you guys want to come with me?

Speaker 1 And you guys were like, yeah, let's fucking go. And now we're going to Indy.
We're going to be in Indy for the combine. So we made a double trip out of it.

Speaker 1 But I appreciate you guys coming because it would not have been as fun if it was just me and my phone and just like running around.

Speaker 3 It was a blast.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was a lot of fun. Anything else?

Speaker 3 I love live sports. The best.
Oh, hey, you know what? Crowds are back.

Speaker 1 Crowds are back. So, what were you going to say? Did you have inspiration for the basketball titties? No, I mean, I just know my breasts are large.

Speaker 1 That's unprecedented move. Yeah, I mean, they look like basketballs if you, if you, and Liam really was an incredible artist.

Speaker 1 I just knew, like, listen, I, I'm in it for the content. Like, you can't, you can say a lot of things about me, but I don't, I don't put out for the, I put out for the people.
I do.

Speaker 1 And let me just say this. Liam can back me up.

Speaker 1 The cheerleaders were fucking digging it.

Speaker 1 Liam, back me up. Dude, they kept on coming over.
At one point, they came over and they asked for a picture. I was like, yeah, do you have a camera? They're like, no.
And I was like, okay.

Speaker 1 And And then they came back and they're like, We had a camera now. And they were giving me, I think there's something to be said about, like, there's a lot of fucking little skinny college boys.

Speaker 1 And then the big boys come around. And it's like, we got me and my tits and like my barrel chest.
PFT's got a lot of hair. Like, they saw some real men and they were like, whoa, this is different.

Speaker 3 Sad bods are back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this is different.

Speaker 1 I haven't seen this. And I was like, yeah, there's a lot here.
I also was just like gyrating and like rubbing my belly.

Speaker 3 Oh, also shout out to ESPN for putting a directive out there to not show us on camera at all.

Speaker 1 That was their, it was their instruction. Yes.

Speaker 3 To not put us on television.

Speaker 1 No joke.

Speaker 3 So if you did see us on TV, it was purely by accident.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 There was a camera guy sitting in front of us. I was like, why don't you show us? He's like, we're not allowed to.
I was like, are you work for ESPN? He's like, yeah. I was like, okay, cool.
Well,

Speaker 1 that's, I guess this little petty war continues. But fuck it.
We had the best coverage of the night. And also, shout out Ron and Caleb.
Two for two.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable. They've stormed a court in a TCU tonight.
So it's court storming.

Speaker 3 This is March. Yep.
There's nothing

Speaker 1 best time of the year. Oh, last thing is we taped the rest of the podcast earlier today, and we were just like way wrong about MLB.
So

Speaker 1 baseball's done. MLB is canceled.
They've canceled the first two series of the season so far.

Speaker 1 I saw it being wrong.

Speaker 3 One of the reasons why they're held up in the negotiations is because because one of the owners wants bigger bases.

Speaker 1 This season, he wants to increase the size of the base. I love it.
I love it. Oh, man.
What a night. And then, yeah, we're off to Indy.

Speaker 1 Friday will be another great show. We got a recurring guest, longtime recurring guest that we have back and forth with all the time.

Speaker 3 He hasn't been on the show for a while.

Speaker 1 Salt. Salt.
All right, let's go to Hot Seat, Cool Throne, and Duncan Robinson, which was awesome. Reminder, Duncan Robinson Part 2, we kept on taping with those guys.
We'll be on their podcast,

Speaker 1 which is The Long Shot with Duncan Robinson and David Reed. Reed.

Speaker 1 Reeds.

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Speaker 1 The big man. I got a cool throne.
The big man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, big suit, Hank. Suit man.
I got a cool throne. What's up, Hank?

Speaker 3 Big boss boss man, Hank.

Speaker 1 Vice president.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 1 My cool throne.

Speaker 3 We did it, Joe.

Speaker 1 We did it, Hank.

Speaker 1 Bob Nightingale. Wait, what's your hot seat? What? Your hot seat?

Speaker 1 What? Your hot seat is Hank because he's a suit.

Speaker 3 Hank is a big-time suit. Hank went corporate on us.

Speaker 1 This is my favorite storyline. When corporate cane, this is corporate Hank.
He's going to come in in a suit.

Speaker 3 Suits. Yeah.
Hot seat is Jay Platt.

Speaker 1 Performance reviews. Oh, well, that.
Okay. Yep.
He got dunked on bad. What happened? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Why are you laughing?

Speaker 5 Yako Purdle.

Speaker 1 That's worth it. Sorry.
That wasn't just, that was a whole. All right.
That was a whole. That was like

Speaker 1 you have a beater of a car and you get hit from behind and you bring it in. They're like, it's totaled.

Speaker 1 That whole name was total.

Speaker 1 You know what?

Speaker 1 Jake flinched. I saw him out of the corner of my eyes.

Speaker 3 You know what's happening is Hank came in today thinking he was the big suit, but he ran into the OG suit, Jake Marsh.

Speaker 3 Had to put him back in place real quick.

Speaker 1 He totaled the name. Say it again, Hank.

Speaker 1 The way you said it. Jacob.
I mean, it's fine. Say it again.
We've learned on the show, I am a phonetic reader. Jacob Potal.
And what was it?

Speaker 5 I might be wrong.

Speaker 1 No, no. No, stop.

Speaker 3 Double sportsmanship.

Speaker 5 I said Jakob Pearl. Here I'm seeing Jakob Poddle.

Speaker 1 Okay, either way. I was close.
He totaled the name. Okay, good hot seat.
John Morant dunked on him, though. Yeah, John Morant doing John Morant things, just hot seat city.

Speaker 3 That was maybe the best 30 seconds of individual basketball I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 1 He's in the

Speaker 1 quarter play when Stephen Adams threw it full court and there's like a 0.5 seconds left. And he, yeah,

Speaker 1 it was, it was nuts. And I mean, this was going to be my cool throne, but let's just talk about it right now.

Speaker 1 There's, it's now trending towards like Zion Williamson, John Morant being one of the most embarrassing.

Speaker 3 Like, it's, you know, what it is. It's become the Greg Odin, Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like Zion, obviously, I still think he'll be okay, but we have not heard from him.

Speaker 1 They were roasting him on Mardi Gras. You see that? They had a huge

Speaker 1 fat guy, and just like he was eating jambalaya

Speaker 1 with a walking boot on, which was very funny.

Speaker 3 I mean, I'm going to say something controversial. I think that Zion Williamson is a better player when he's fat.

Speaker 3 I want him to get fatter. Well,

Speaker 1 he doesn't play right now. He's a better player.

Speaker 3 He needs to get fatter.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he just needs to get so fat that they roll him out there. But yeah, John Morant is that fucking good.
Like, he is absolutely electric. The Grizzlies are awesome.
50 Burger last night. 50 Burger.

Speaker 1 And he's like, he is must-watch TV. And then Zion just doesn't exist anymore.
And it hurts that Zion was the, like, in that draft class, obviously, John Morant went to a smaller school.

Speaker 1 But Zion, remember Zion's Duke year? It was must-watch TV.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he was like, holy shit.

Speaker 1 He's incredible.

Speaker 3 I also think that John Morant has become maybe the most likable player, the most likable youngster in the industry.

Speaker 1 You got to have him back on. I forgot that he's a

Speaker 1 daddy part of my tech. His dad roasts him.

Speaker 3 Actually, I want to have his dad on the show. That That too.
That's what we should do: get John Morant's dad on the show. Mr.

Speaker 3 Morant, please come on the podcast to just berate your son because right now he's playing so well that he's probably getting a big head. Yep.

Speaker 3 He needs you to come over the top and be like, hey, man, you stink.

Speaker 1 We want him to score 60, not 50.

Speaker 1 Okay, Hank. Then my cool throne is Bob Nightingale.
Huge night for him. Huge night.
I feel like he's kind of the laughingstock of the MLB, Big Jay Journals.

Speaker 1 He's the classic, like, he's the Mike Carey of Big Jay Journos.

Speaker 3 Correct. It's because he's got that profile picture.
His avatar on Twitter is just, it's always laugh out loud when you see it because he looks like an assistant principal in middle school.

Speaker 3 Like the one that tries to be fun.

Speaker 1 Well, and also, there's a dying breed in sports journalism. There's nothing quite like a baseball journalist.
And Jeff Passon has kind of ruined it. And I'm saying this as a compliment to Jeff.

Speaker 1 We'd like to have him on at some point, but he is kind of like the cool new guy. He gets it.
We need more Bob Nightingales, John Heyman, like the guys who just don't get it.

Speaker 1 And they tweet and they are like Peter Gammons. remember when he would just, every like three weeks, he would just tweet out of his pocket and just sit down numbers.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he'd sit down, like the letter F would just fill up the screen and he'd hit tweet on it. But they missed that.

Speaker 1 Like, we need Bob Nightingale.

Speaker 3 I like Bob Nightingale because he does serve a purpose in the ecosystem. Right.
He's one of the old school guys. Like, if you open up one of his veins, just Diet Coke comes up.
Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 Yeah. So what happened? So last night, MLB talked.
It seemed like they said the deadline was today. And then last night at the 11th hour, it was probably, what, 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock.

Speaker 1 He put out a tweet that said the two sides have appeared to have reached a compromise on the 12-team postseason. Whoa.
Which was a big, you know, point of contention. This is a 10-41.

Speaker 1 And then that was kind of the waterfall for everyone being like, oh, it looks like things are happening. Things are happening.
Things are happening.

Speaker 1 Although I will say, I just pulled up his profile to find the tweets from last night. And he just recently said,

Speaker 1 where is it? Pulled up.

Speaker 1 MLB believes that talks have gone backwards today. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 3 There's been a material.

Speaker 1 There was a point though where everyone was like, oh my God, Bob Nightingale finally, this is his moment. He's done it.
He finally broke news. That's correct.

Speaker 1 And actually, this was 30 minutes ago, so I hadn't even seen this yet. And it seemed like today, they were figuring out a deal.
They did it.

Speaker 1 They moved back the deadline a few hours, and it was just a matter of time before

Speaker 1 they officially figured out the deal. But now MLB believes the talks have gone backwards.

Speaker 1 I think all that happened was the players realized that they have a great superpower where they can keep all the owners up past 9 p.m.

Speaker 1 Like Hal Steinbrenner is like, Hal Steinbrenner is calling it a night at 11 o'clock. He probably was gassed.
Yeah. So they just keep him up late enough.
They get loopy.

Speaker 1 They start making deals that they don't want to make. And then they woke up today and they're like, wait, we don't want to do any of this.
We're billionaires.

Speaker 1 By the time this podcast drops, there will probably have been a decision made or will there not?

Speaker 1 I would say either or. I think that

Speaker 3 there's definitely either going to be a decision made or they still might have some work to do closing the gap.

Speaker 1 Yeah, my sources are saying a deal will be made eventually.

Speaker 3 So what I'm hearing, and this is serious because I have actually been in touch with people on the ground there.

Speaker 3 No, straight up.

Speaker 1 Here's what's going on right now.

Speaker 6 The legal guy, the guy hanging out baby.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, here's what's going on right now.

Speaker 3 They're nearing a deal. They're almost at a deal, but there still remains a couple issues where the two sides are far apart.

Speaker 1 Okay, so

Speaker 1 I was actually talking, I wasn't talking to someone who is on the ground. I was talking to someone who's close to someone who's on the ground.

Speaker 3 Close to the ground.

Speaker 1 And yeah, because he wasn't there, but he he has sources there, and he

Speaker 1 said that the next 24 hours will be very telling in the future of baseball. That was all he wanted to do.

Speaker 3 Because both sides still have some issues at their work. Correct.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 3 So that's our prediction. I have a question for Hank.

Speaker 1 Our informed prediction.

Speaker 3 What is the 11th hour?

Speaker 1 When you say the 11th hour?

Speaker 3 I'm just curious because I always hear that phrase, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's like 11 o'clock.

Speaker 3 That's the 11th hour?

Speaker 1 What's the clock? Midnight.

Speaker 1 I guess after midnight, wouldn't it be the 20? Are we doing military time? It's our 24-hour clock. Yeah, so that weren't.
It actually should be 0-2300. Right.

Speaker 1 I think it goes back to, you know, Big Ben.

Speaker 1 You think there's anyone in Ukraine who's

Speaker 1 still following, I hope baseball season starts? For sure. Are you kidding me? Bob Nightingale.
Get your shit together, bro. I want to talk to that guy.
Probably not.

Speaker 1 They got bigger things to worry about.

Speaker 1 Your cool throne? That was my cool throne. Okay, that was your cool throne.
All right, good job. Thank you very very much, Hank.
Good job, Mr.

Speaker 3 Vice President.

Speaker 1 PFT.

Speaker 3 My hot seat is the Hugh Jackson Foundation. Yeah.
Hugh Jackson Foundation firmly on the hot seat.

Speaker 3 He is the coach at Grambling, and he hired Art Bryles from Baylor, the former Baylor head coach, to be their new offensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 A lot of people got upset about that, including Grambling quarterback, the former guy, Doug Williams, also former Redskins quarterback, won the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 Yeah. One guy didn't get upset.

Speaker 3 One guy didn't get upset. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yes. Our very own Ben Mintz.
Oh, he congratulated Art Benz. He was happy about it.
He said, great get. Okay, so

Speaker 3 a lot of people got upset about it, and then they ended up dismissing or coming to a mutual understanding that Art Bryles would leave, but not before Hugh Jackson, I should say, excuse me, his foundation, totally separate from Hugh Jackson himself, tweeted out his support for Art Bryles.

Speaker 3 And then everybody was like, wait a second, why is there a Hugh Jackson foundation?

Speaker 3 Nobody really knew that Hugh Jackson had a foundation until he tweeted out an official statement using their letterhead, not Grambling's letterhead, about the hire. And then people looked into it.

Speaker 3 And Dan Murphy from ESPN found out the Hugh Jackson Foundation collected $158,000 in 2019. It paid out $115,000 to its only paid employee and then spent $15,000 on travel.

Speaker 3 So they gave out, the foundation gave out $4,000 in grants out of $158,000.

Speaker 1 That's a lot of money.

Speaker 3 But then Hugh Jackson came over the top also tweeting from his foundation saying what you failed to report is where that money came from hugh jackson was the largest donor and he personally donated over 75 percent of the funds so hugh jackson it seems is is funding no it's a that's tax jackson that's tax foundation so now they're looking into it and yeah that's tax fraud because i know exactly what he's doing he's giving money to a foundation that you can write off and then paying probably his wife and then giving $4,000 away.

Speaker 3 You might think something like that is going on, Big Cap, but I personally think... Hugh Jackson does need a foundation.

Speaker 3 How does a guy who has Hugh Jackson's track record as a head coach, like you would expect that that guy would need some charity every now and again?

Speaker 1 What a perfect Hugh Jackson story, though, to be like, all right, I want to distance myself from my own stupidity of hiring Art Bryles, so I'm going to have my foundation tweet this out.

Speaker 1 And then someone looks into the foundation. They're like, oh, tax fraud.

Speaker 1 Stu Jackson is sideshow Bob stepping into race.

Speaker 3 Hugh Jackson went 0 for 2 on this score.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so he's in a lot of trouble probably moving forward.

Speaker 1 That wasn't the whole.

Speaker 1 Probably like

Speaker 3 maybe a taste of trouble. His foundation.

Speaker 1 His foundation is in trouble. Or you know what?

Speaker 3 He'll take it back. You know what? Yeah, he should just kind of rebrand it and just call it the Hugh J

Speaker 3 foundation.

Speaker 5 This might be a time to bring back the Hugh Jackson intro of Hot See Cool Throne we had a few years ago.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Hugh Jackson had a drop on this podcast.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Anyways, get Hugh Jackson back in the NFL.

Speaker 1 He was hilarious. Yeah, for Cameo.
He was on.

Speaker 1 Bleep out Cameo.

Speaker 3 My Cool Throne is Uncrustables.

Speaker 3 I had my first Uncrustable today in the airport, and I've been on Cloud 9 ever since. I don't know how I went my entire life without having one.

Speaker 1 They're great.

Speaker 3 I feel like Uncrustables really came out maybe after I left the house.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 3 Like after I graduated from high school, went to college. I would assume.

Speaker 1 Graduated from college, worked for a few years. Yeah, no, they're very

Speaker 1 last decade, I want to say, right? Maybe 15?

Speaker 3 Jay, can you look up when Uncrustables were invented? On it.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Thank you.

Speaker 1 But they're fucking awesome. Oh, yeah.
They're really good.

Speaker 3 It was one of those things where I took it out of the package and I just admired it for a second.

Speaker 3 And then you bite into it and you can tell that it was designed in a lab by like the flavor scientists. And it doesn't taste like anything that you'd find in nature, but it's fucking amazing.

Speaker 1 Well, it also is great because it's the peanut butter and jelly with like extra sugar.

Speaker 3 Yeah, oh,

Speaker 1 that's what they've done where it's like, hey, this is just a nice, nice, good snack. It's good for you.
It's like, no, no, no, that is a candy bar, and I'm fine with that.

Speaker 3 Jake, you got it?

Speaker 5 1995 in Fargo, North Dakota.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I guess my family was just poor.

Speaker 1 Well, no, poor. No, that would be.

Speaker 3 I feel like Uncrustables are rich kids. Do you think so? Yeah, I think, yeah, you go over to your rich kids, like your friends.

Speaker 3 Uncrustables, yeah, like they have the good video games, and they're just like there. The mom walks in the kitchen, she's like, Let me cook you a snack, and she just throws you an uncrustable.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like we don't, we don't even fuck with the corner edges of bread.

Speaker 3 Yeah, well, I'm telling you what, I'm done with crusts. I can't go back.

Speaker 1 I, uh, yeah, I have not had more than maybe a half dozen uncrustables. All as an adult, too.
So I think you're right. I don't think it was big when it was crowded.
It wasn't big.

Speaker 1 I think that's what it was.

Speaker 3 I would love to just get stoned out of my mind and eat 20 uncrustables. That sounds like the best time ever.

Speaker 1 You make that sound like it's an unattainable goal. That's like Billy risking it all.

Speaker 1 You can do that. You're going to do that probably on Friday night.
I'll do it on a live stream.

Speaker 1 Like, my dream in life?

Speaker 3 It honestly sounds like the best time ever. Like, put on a movie,

Speaker 1 watch Avatar,

Speaker 1 hit a gravity bong,

Speaker 3 need some milk, some water, too.

Speaker 1 Maybe put milk in the bong. Oh, that's good.
Maybe grilled cheese.

Speaker 5 Not as popular. What? Grilled cheese uncrustables.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's not bad to us.

Speaker 3 I want a little bit of crust and grilled cheese because it's like a little texture in there. But yeah, uncrustables fuck.
They absolutely

Speaker 3 blew my mind today. Yeah.
My other cool throne was empathy. And we've been talking a lot on this podcast about empathy and empaths.

Speaker 3 We are welcoming a brand new member to our collective here of empaths, and Domakin Sue.

Speaker 3 That's right, known empath Indonikin Sue said today online, he was like, you know, what the world needs now is more empathy. Empathy is really going to cause a lot of changes in this world.

Speaker 3 So thank you, Indomic and Sue, for stepping out and showing us how empathetic you are.

Speaker 1 Yes. All right.
My hot seat is the Arizona Cardinals because Kyler Murray has issued a long statement from his agent, which was

Speaker 1 it really was a test of like how bad all of our collective attention spans have gotten because I saw it and I did, I skimmed it. It was maybe 300 words, and I was like, nope, too long.

Speaker 3 I think it was more than that. I think it was like five or six hundred words.

Speaker 1 But it was, you saw it right away. You're like, whoa.
Yeah, I read it. Chill out, dude.

Speaker 3 I read the first sentence, and then I just, my eyes went down to the end at his god-awful logo. Apparently, Kyler Murray has a logo.

Speaker 1 What, what is Kyler Murray?

Speaker 1 It's very bizarre that he released this statement after

Speaker 1 a

Speaker 1 debacle of a first-round exit and this whole like we've turned around the Arizona Cardinals franchise. They've had one winning season and Kylo Murray has a lot of weapons and a lot of help.

Speaker 1 They traded for DeAndre Hopkins. They traded for Zach Ertz in the middle of the season.
He has like,

Speaker 1 when healthy, they trade for they got A.J. Green.
Like they, when healthy, I would say the Cardinals have done the like probably top five in terms of going all in to help their quarterback.

Speaker 3 Yeah, again, he's just, he leads the league in nonsense. There's so much nonsense that this guy puts out.

Speaker 3 I don't know what he's really asking for because his two demands. It's money.
Well, his two demands, he's trying to act like the media is twisting his words and turning people against him.

Speaker 3 But his demands are, I want to be extremely highly paid and I want to win a Super Bowl. Yes.
These are my demands. Yes.

Speaker 3 It's like, okay, yeah, ideally, I think every player in the NFL would also like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's

Speaker 1 wild.

Speaker 1 I don't know how this, I mean, yeah, they're going to pay him, and then he's gonna be upset, and he's gonna be more upset, and they're not gonna win, and he's gonna be more upset, and then he's gonna, I feel like when he's like 28, he's gonna be like, I'm gonna go play baseball.

Speaker 3 He's just he's an emo kid, yeah, that's what the problem is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's probably got different generation, built different, not like gauge earrings, spends all his time listening to dashboard.

Speaker 1 Uh, my cool drone was uh John Morant, but I'll throw an extra hot seat in there, uh, Skip Bayless, because LeBron James went after

Speaker 1 writer, I think Lakers beat writer Bill Orem for misquoting him.

Speaker 1 And every time LeBron roasts a journalist, I always think how mad Skip Bayless must be because he's just been looking for acknowledgement by LeBron for pretty much the last 15 years.

Speaker 1 And LeBron will then like pick, you know, though, not. I'm sure Bill Oram's a good journalist.

Speaker 1 I'm saying the lowest man on the total poll in terms of least visibility and go after him instead of going after a big dog like Skip Bayless.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's not that he's the lowest man. It's just that I think LeBron is afraid of Skip.
Correct. And deservedly so.

Speaker 1 But Skip's got to be like, what do I got to do at this point?

Speaker 3 I'm going to push back on that. I don't think that Skip wants LeBron to respond now.
I think it's gone so long.

Speaker 1 Oh, he wants him to come on. That, no,

Speaker 3 he knows that he is dominant over LeBron James.

Speaker 1 Are you telling me that Skip Bayless doesn't want LeBron James to come on his show and debate him? I think it's better. He absolutely does.

Speaker 3 I think it's better for

Speaker 3 if LeBron continues to be afraid of him. Because right now, Skip can be like, LeBron knows that I'm the alpha in this relationship.
LeBron.

Speaker 3 Because he goes out there and plays basketball, and then I talk about him playing basketball.

Speaker 1 Skip debating LeBron with LeBron? The greatest thing ever.

Speaker 1 He probably prays and has Ernestine pray every single night for LeBron to accept his debate invitation.

Speaker 3 Only on weekends when they push the beds together.

Speaker 1 Could you imagine if they literally, if LeBron debated Skip Bayless about LeBron's legacy with Skip Bayless? See,

Speaker 3 I think it's a bad idea for LeBron because Skip would be.

Speaker 1 Oh, no, he would. No, that's what I'm saying.
That's why Skip would love it.

Speaker 1 He would come in. Skip knows LeBron better than LeBron knows him.

Speaker 1 Yes, I think at the end of the day, lebron would leave and he'd be like what just happened you know what jordan's the goat yeah what what just happened to me yeah i'm not did i really score eight points against the mavericks in game four or whatever it was this man is right i don't want to shoot foul shots at the end of the playoff games oh man i am la fraud you would have to like go to therapy he'd start tweeting out like my recipe for a mickey mouse ring yes yes skip

Speaker 1 world gets coveted we go to disney world for a month oh man uh all right jake your hot seat cool drone my hot seat are linebackers.

Speaker 5 We've got a reminder in my phone. December 17th episode, Chiefs, Chargers, Thursday night recap.
You guys said you are boycotting linebackers at the Combine.

Speaker 3 Nope, nope, not correct. We were threatening to boycott the linebacker workout at the combine.

Speaker 1 If

Speaker 3 the NFL fucked over Cleveland. That's right.
Because they were trying to fuck over the Browns.

Speaker 1 We didn't.

Speaker 1 We lift our sanctions.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we lifted our sanctions on Goodell. I think the sanctions worked.
We applied pressure. Yep.

Speaker 1 Sanctions are hot in the streets right now. That's fair.

Speaker 1 If you want to get results, you sanction.

Speaker 1 That's how you do it. We just start sanctioning random people.
Okay. Let's sanction Billy from drinking water.

Speaker 3 He just drank beer.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he would actually.

Speaker 5 My cool throne are people who hate Derek Jeter. Oh, yeah.
Stepped down as CEO. of the Miami Marlins.

Speaker 1 What was the...

Speaker 1 Can you answer this for me, Jake? What was the deal with the cones at his?

Speaker 1 They coned off his parking spot at the practice facility when he stepped down as if like they were gonna keep him from coming back or something. I don't know what it was.

Speaker 1 It was very bizarre.

Speaker 3 That was their

Speaker 1 Derek Jeter parking spot.

Speaker 3 Is that like how they change the locks on the door if they fire somebody?

Speaker 1 It was very weird. I don't, the Marlins are just a bizarre organization.

Speaker 3 Actually, Jake, you know what you should do? Yeah.

Speaker 5 Oh, I see the cones. Yeah, but that doesn't really look like a big barrier.

Speaker 1 I know. What were they doing?

Speaker 1 Was it an homage? It was smart. Credit to Derek Jeter, like, to step down when baseball is, like, having its intense labor negotiations and baseball is being threatened.

Speaker 1 No one's, like, that wasn't a headline that anyone remembers. I have a statement from the number one Marlins fan.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 I was going to ask about that because he texts me.

Speaker 1 I never met the guy. Remember, he tried to pay off Derek Jeter.
He tried to give him a blank check. I am very upset, period.
Jeter wasn't Moses, period.

Speaker 1 Jeter didn't deliver from the bondage the oppressed Marlins fan, period. We believed in his religion.
We believed in Project Wolverine. We trusted Jeter's process.
Jeter failed.

Speaker 1 Wait,

Speaker 1 did I miss out? Project Wolverine is because he would have gone to Michigan. Did I miss out on war? Holy shit.
He didn't go to Michigan, right? He never played baseball in college.

Speaker 1 I think he would have gone to May.

Speaker 1 He would have gone to Duke.

Speaker 1 This is actually a great point. Points to Jake for people that hate Derek Jeter.
Me being one of them.

Speaker 1 This is the earlier message from Marlins, man. Losing team, losing money.
Fans hate him. Never made playoffs.
Traded away or let go.

Speaker 1 Stanton, Yelich, Ozuna, Real Moto, Gordon, Dietrich, Ichiro, alienated fans, laughing stock of baseball, lied in court, pleading that not a Florida corporation. Lied when said not negotiating

Speaker 1 long-term deal. Did away with orange.
Oh, this is the big one. Did away with orange after wearing it every single spring training day.
That was a big one. Still, I am too fast.

Speaker 1 Every superhero needs a villain. Plus, what direction is Marlins going? What that Jader can't agree with?

Speaker 1 A winning team, exciting full stadium, playoff team, World Series Championship, a 100% total failure. What employer keeps someone running the company like that? You know,

Speaker 1 he's taking off to NYC now.

Speaker 1 Is Jeter the superhero and he's the villain? I think so. Yeah.
No, I think what we have to do.

Speaker 3 Like, Marlin's man should just run the Marlins. Yeah.

Speaker 3 He's no better man for the job.

Speaker 1 They would definitely have those orange jerseys back.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they'd be back. The mermaids would be back.

Speaker 1 He would make the entire team sit with him

Speaker 1 in between innings instead of the dugout.

Speaker 3 Build the entire stadium out of that goofy Marlins sculpture that was in center field that used to circle around.

Speaker 1 That was also fucked up. Derek Jeter took it out.

Speaker 3 That was fucked up. You know what? I agree with Marlins, man.
Yeah. I think Jeter fucked up the Marlins on purpose.

Speaker 1 Agreed.

Speaker 1 Sanctioned. Good statement.

Speaker 3 Consider Jeter to be sanctioned by Marlins, man.

Speaker 1 He is sanctioned by us. By this time, we send you the same exact message.
Yes, I can.

Speaker 1 We will not have Derek Jeter on this podcast. Sanctioned.
Damn. Done.

Speaker 5 Yeah. You heard it, Jeremy.
That was my AIM screen name. Jake Jeter too.

Speaker 3 Jake Jeter.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Damn.
Respect. That is mad respect.

Speaker 3 Two-packed.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yes.
Mad respect. All right.
Let's get to our interviews. We've got two great interviews.

Speaker 1 We've got Duncan Robinson, who we have a two-parter, so the second part will be on his podcast, which will be out on Thursday. Go check it out.
What is it called again? Line? Line?

Speaker 3 Long shot.

Speaker 3 Long shot.

Speaker 1 With Duncan Robinson and

Speaker 1 Davis

Speaker 1 Reeves.

Speaker 1 Davis Reeves. Miller.
Davis Reeves. If I got Davis Reeves, Davis is actually a really nice guy.
Reed, very close. Davis was a very nice guy.
We had both of them on and then go listen to their second

Speaker 1 part that we just kept on talking, had a great time with them.

Speaker 1 And then we're going to have Aiden Hutchinson, who is maybe the number one pick in the draft coming up right after him. PFT?

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Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on two special guests, one recurring guest. It is Duncan Robinson and his co-host, Davis Reed, from the Long Shot podcast.

Speaker 1 And we're going going to do a little something different. We've done this before.
We're doing a two-parter. So the first part you're listening to right now on Part of My Take.

Speaker 1 If you want to listen to the second part, it will be on The Long Shot with Duncan Robinson and Davis Reed. Out when?

Speaker 1 Here's.

Speaker 1 I'm going to give you a tip real quick. I asked you when your podcast drops, and you gave me like, well, sometimes this time, sometimes this time, sometimes that time.
I was like, dude.

Speaker 1 Rule one, drop it.

Speaker 5 Right. I mean, I'm binded by an NBA schedule that I need to kind of work around.

Speaker 1 That's a league you play in? Yeah, a little caveat. But

Speaker 5 we usually drop Thursdays. Thursdays.
So this can be counted on for next Thursday. So what's today?

Speaker 1 Today's Thursday. No,

Speaker 1 it's Thursday. We're going to drop

Speaker 1 this Thursday. Say this Thursday.

Speaker 5 This Thursday. This Thursday.

Speaker 1 We're going to drop this next week.

Speaker 5 Yeah, so this Thursday, tune into

Speaker 5 part two on the long shot.

Speaker 1 All right, so we should start.

Speaker 1 I know that everyone's talked about it a million times, but I mean, are you here now going to disavow Juwan Howard?

Speaker 5 You know, I'm happy you brought this up. Something I wanted to actually ask you about.
Okay.

Speaker 5 You know, I'm not willing to do that.

Speaker 5 I know Jawan well. I played for Juwan.

Speaker 1 Did he ever try to smush your face?

Speaker 5 Never had never had that issue.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I'm not willing to do it, to be honest with you. And honestly, most of the Michigan people that I've talked to support.
him and are in his corner.

Speaker 1 Understand that it was a mistake.

Speaker 5 But, I mean, I think that

Speaker 1 there's multiple people at fault.

Speaker 5 There were some escalators.

Speaker 1 Really? I think there were some escalators. Interesting.
There were good people on both sides.

Speaker 1 I don't think anyone who said Jeron Howard should be fired was an idiot.

Speaker 1 I actually do think he needs anger management.

Speaker 5 I mean, he got a legitimate... punishment.
I mean, five games, likely the rest of the season, unfortunately, we've had

Speaker 1 a third pedestrian year. Can you say that it was a legitimate punishment when he basically gets a better coach to fill in for him and win games? I would say.
Phil Martelli.

Speaker 5 say Phil is a legend. Phil is a ton of energy.

Speaker 5 Big, big Phil Martelli fan. But,

Speaker 5 you know, I think the punishment fit the crime.

Speaker 3 I'm going to take the opposite side, though. I'm going to say that, like, Juwan Howard told him several times, stop touching me, stop touching me.
He was standing his ground.

Speaker 3 If this took place in Florida, where you play, he would actually be legally in the right.

Speaker 5 There were also some hits, like he kind of got up. under him.
Guard did. Yeah, Greg Gard did.
Like initially.

Speaker 1 He was like Aaron Donald. And I think

Speaker 1 exactly. That sort of like offensive lineman movement.

Speaker 5 And I also think you saw Jawan trying to just move on. Right.
Like he was just trying to acknowledge the disrespect that took place and just keep it moving. And then there was like that interaction.

Speaker 1 It was crazy because Greg Gard was trying to shake his hand in a handshake line, which is very rarely done.

Speaker 3 Well, don't touch me, though.

Speaker 1 Here's a taste that I have.

Speaker 3 He was just walking through the handshake line.

Speaker 5 I think handshake lines in general for college athletics is, I mean, it's just like a, it's outdated.

Speaker 1 Why are we still having a problem? Why are we still doing a problem? It's just it.

Speaker 3 That's such an NBA guy to be able to do it. But it's just an

Speaker 3 second in the NHL. You know that?

Speaker 5 But it's just like, it's like, what do you expect after a heated competitive game?

Speaker 1 Sportsmanship.

Speaker 5 But we got rid of them with COVID, and I think that should have just been like the

Speaker 1 more because I like to see. I actually don't care if the player, if the players don't shake hands, I have no problem with it.

Speaker 1 I want to see the coaches because I want to see like who sucks at losing the most.

Speaker 5 So in the NBA, every bench does this the exact same. You just give the courtesy, like, hand-up, you know, kind of wave.
You don't need to, you know, bring it in, whatever. You don't need to do that.

Speaker 5 And it's just like, you don't have any altercations. There's nothing.
You just do the wave, you know, a little head nod, acknowledge it, head to the locker room.

Speaker 5 And I feel like that's sportsmanship enough.

Speaker 3 Well, the reason I like the handshake line is I want to see the rare occasion where the handshake line turns into a fight. I don't actually care about the sportsmanship.

Speaker 3 I just want to see the bad blood, whether it's a player or a coach coming together. That's just like the game after the game, in a way.

Speaker 3 It's a way for me to not have to change the channel immediately after the game ends.

Speaker 1 I understand that.

Speaker 3 I actually, I agree. I think it's good for the speaker.

Speaker 1 This is Davis Reed, by the way. Hey, everybody.
I just wanted to give everyone a bad idea. I love that I was in the angels.
This is a big debut for Davis, by the way. Yeah.

Speaker 5 You know, for small-town Kansas. He's made it onto quite the production, you guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Do you think Patrick Momes is his top five quarterback?

Speaker 8 Top two.

Speaker 3 Probably not two.

Speaker 1 Oh,

Speaker 1 but biased.

Speaker 3 A lot of people say he's kind of a check down guy now.

Speaker 1 Patty checkdowns is what we think.

Speaker 3 That was out of necessity.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 They're dropping eight.

Speaker 3 He was still going to

Speaker 3 be.

Speaker 1 He couldn't beat him when they were dropping eight. Right.
No. No.
They cracked him out. Yeah.
We'll be right back.

Speaker 1 All right, so what was your point on handshake?

Speaker 3 I'm going to die on the hill that I think it's good for battle. I mean, if you were told that every handshake line was going to include a slap from one of the head coaches, would you not watch it?

Speaker 1 Yes, of course. No, I love it.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 I want to see Coach K pissed off and have to shake someone's hand after he loses in the tournament. Like, that's fun for me.

Speaker 5 But if that's the case, then we can't be up in arms and calling for people's jobs when he's

Speaker 5 smushes people?

Speaker 1 Yeah, when it does happen. It's like, what do you expect? Yeah,

Speaker 1 I guess there is a line where it's like they could shake hands and not try to fight the whole other team. Yeah, no, it's like,

Speaker 1 I guess, point to you.

Speaker 3 But we are putting them in a situation where it's like, okay, you guys have just competed.

Speaker 3 Now go stand next to each other for three minutes, and then we're going to watch you to make sure that you stand next to each other correctly.

Speaker 3 And if you don't, then we're going to call for you to be fired yes we're like putting them in that position but again that's part of the the pageantry of sports and i do think that there is something to watching a game on tv imagine if you watch a game on tv and the second the buzzer sounded it just cut immediately to something else you need like a little come down period and watch the handshake line can do that um but i think anyone that was calling for jawan howard to be fired over that is is pretty much just a clown

Speaker 5 i appreciate that

Speaker 1 i appreciate that um all right so the first place heat that's right Which is crazy. Heat culture.
Is heat culture real? Oh, it's as real as ever.

Speaker 1 What does it look like?

Speaker 1 Could you see it on the street? Like that person has heat culture?

Speaker 5 I think if you were to see it on the screen, it would just be a picture of Pat Riley.

Speaker 5 And then maybe Spo would be photoshopped in there as well because he now has been pushing the culture for several years.

Speaker 1 He embodies heat culture.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think the combination of the two. And then Eudonis Haslam is in there as well, probably.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's still on the team.

Speaker 3 What's his day-to-day like? Does he actually practice or does he show up and just wear the sweatpants the whole time?

Speaker 5 You know,

Speaker 5 I say this all the time and I actually mean this. Like UD brings a ton of value to our team.
Like genuinely. From like a leadership locker room presence.

Speaker 5 I mean, he says it all the time. He's like, I've seen everything but the wind in this league.
Like that's like his line.

Speaker 5 And it's true. Like he's gone through it all.

Speaker 5 All in the heat jersey, has won championships. He's played every single role.
Undrafted guy in many ways like embodies what a lot of guys on our roster are trying to get to.

Speaker 5 And he's had multiple times this year where he's come in and helped us win. And he had the great altercation with Dwight Howard last year where he got ejected 90 seconds into

Speaker 5 his minutes, which was special.

Speaker 3 I love that, though. I love the fact that he's a spark guy.
You'll need him a couple times a year.

Speaker 1 100% a game.

Speaker 3 Don't ask him to play like every night, but the times that you need him, he'll come and he'll deliver. He is the Miami Heat.
It's like him and Dwayne Wade.

Speaker 5 I'll say this: he would be an unbelievable guest on this show.

Speaker 1 Okay. Get him on the show.
Get it it hooked up.

Speaker 5 Unbelievable. We had him on our show, and it was by far our best interview.

Speaker 5 A lot of cursing, a lot of great stories, a lot of great Pat Riley stories, Dwayne Wade stories. He's just...

Speaker 1 Let's get him on. Does he have kids? Is he going to be like LeBron? Or is his kids already so old they can't be in the NBA anymore?

Speaker 5 He does have kids. I think he has three boys.

Speaker 5 The oldest plays football in college. He's an offensive lineman somewhere, I'm pretty sure.
Youngest is a really, the middle is a really good baseball player in Miami.

Speaker 5 I think he'll probably play in college.

Speaker 5 But yeah, I don't think, I think the youngest one plays basketball. But no, we're not looking at a Bronnie

Speaker 1 Bron situation. What do you think about Bronnie's game? Break it down for us.

Speaker 8 Somebody was just asking me.

Speaker 5 Honestly,

Speaker 5 I'm not qualified to speak on it. I'm not tapped into high school basketball, even though it seems like Sierra Canyon games are rivaling UCLA games in terms of attendance.

Speaker 5 I mean.

Speaker 1 Could he start for Williams?

Speaker 5 That's a good question.

Speaker 1 I'm going to say probably. Okay.
All right.

Speaker 1 I'll say 16-year-old he could.

Speaker 5 Just for like just sheer athleticism.

Speaker 5 You know, I've had the Williams debate a lot. Division III basketball, Davis also played in the same conference.
Okay.

Speaker 1 For which team?

Speaker 5 Yes, I don't love the slander.

Speaker 1 Okay. Wesleyan.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Not as good as Williams.

Speaker 1 It's just Bill Belichick, right? That's right. Yes.

Speaker 5 It's a high level of skill. The athleticism

Speaker 5 is not quite there.

Speaker 1 But it's a high level of skill.

Speaker 5 And I stand by that.

Speaker 1 You could just say white guys. Yeah.
What is that?

Speaker 3 Like, they get in the triple threat position.

Speaker 1 A lot of skill. A lot of

Speaker 5 sound, right basketball decision, high IQ, first to the floor, a lot of charges being taken.

Speaker 1 Oh, man.

Speaker 3 These guys are getting the most out of their athletic abilities.

Speaker 1 Yes, exactly. Do you still fill it up?

Speaker 3 Do you still practice the triple threat position?

Speaker 5 Every now and then, yeah.

Speaker 1 Just like do it real quick for me. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I mean, it brings back a lot of good memories. That was like, that was my move at Williams.
Now I do a lot of other things.

Speaker 5 But yeah, back then, that was like triple threat.

Speaker 1 I actually wanted to talk about your season this year. So you went through a slump.
Yeah. You were really bad.

Speaker 5 That was pretty bad.

Speaker 1 Really bad. You were shooting 27% from three for like a stretch there.
Is that true? Yeah. 18 for 66.
Wow. You got the numbers.
Yeah, you have the numbers.

Speaker 1 And the thing is, you did it all. Like,

Speaker 1 you did the like, all right, less is more. I'm going to shoot less.
I'm going to go one for five. And then you did the like, oh, maybe more is more.
And you went five for 15 in one game from three.

Speaker 5 I think it was actually five for 17.

Speaker 1 I'm looking at it right now. It's five for 15.
But I'll give you five for 17 if you want to take it. Wait, was that against self-six?

Speaker 1 It was against the Timberwolves. Oh, no, you did go five for 17 against Self Six.
Oh, so your bad stretch was actually longer than I thought. Yeah, whoops.

Speaker 1 All right, so you all, then you like had one for nine, oh for six. In a real honest question, like what actually goes through your mind when you're not shooting well?

Speaker 1 Because that's got to drive you insane. You know how to shoot

Speaker 1 a great shooter. It just doesn't happen.

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's it's a mix of emotions. You know, you go through like, it's almost like a pecking order, right? Like the first is frustration and you're like, what the fuck? Like, why, what's going on?

Speaker 5 Then it's just like confusion after it gets to a certain point because you're like exactly that like I know how to shoot and then I'll the most frustrating thing is you'll have a workout or a practice where you just can't miss and then for whatever reason it just like doesn't come together in the game

Speaker 5 but at the same time like that is that's like and I know this sounds like cliche answer but it's actually genuine like that's kind of what ultimately keeps you coming back to is like you know if you have it figured out all the time it's like you're living on easy street yeah it's great but like you got to have the perspective of those moments where you go, whatever it was, 18 of 66.

Speaker 5 But I will say, like, because that was mixed in with a time where we had some injuries. We were like losing games because we had a great start, had some injuries.

Speaker 5 And then I had an opportunity to kind of like help keep us afloat. And I did not step into that moment, if you will.

Speaker 5 So in that instance, it was like, there were some dark times mixed in there as well.

Speaker 1 Did you try? Is it similar to a hitting slump in baseball? Where like, were you talking to other people? Were you trying new things in practice?

Speaker 5 I pulled out all the stuff really yeah i mean that because like i had never had a slump to that extent oh wow um i've had stretches of you know whatever three four five even like maybe seven or eight games where it doesn't quite feel right or whatever but like the confusing thing about this one was

Speaker 5 in throughout the stretch the ball actually felt really good coming out of my hands it just wasn't going in which like that's actually the more frustrating one because it's like all right if it doesn't feel good then you can like try to remedy it right you can like try to find solutions but like for me, it was everything feels good.

Speaker 5 I'm doing everything the same. I'm keeping my routine tight.
I'm doing all this, whatever. And it's still not going in.
So that's where it was like.

Speaker 3 That would drive me insane. You spend a lot of time trying to diagnose exactly what's wrong as opposed to trying to fix it.
So it's like twice as long a fix. Yeah.
So what was the problem?

Speaker 5 I think it was a combination of things.

Speaker 5 You know, like shooting. I think shooting is super complex.
Like it's not ever one thing, right? I think part of it was like the mental side of it.

Speaker 5 Like I started to depress a little bit, um, you know, once I kind of heard about a slump, and you know, guys like you on Twitter and stuff, I never said anything,

Speaker 5 uh, but like people on Twitter or whatever,

Speaker 1 and I just would have said something.

Speaker 5 I got to a point where I just started like blocking all that stuff out, and like before I could actually block it out, I was like saying that I was blocking it out, but wasn't actually blocking it out.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? It's like that's good to know.

Speaker 5 It's like, I'm going to start blocking this out, and like I say that publicly, but meanwhile, I'm like still kind of like tapped into it.

Speaker 5 So I got to a point where it was like, really like, all right, I got to find a way to block this totally out,

Speaker 5 which is, you know, delete the apps, whatever, stay off the phone, all that sort of stuff, which is a challenge in its own right. Right.

Speaker 1 You have a podcast. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 A podcast went on a break. Yeah, it did.
Davis was unemployed for a little while. It was that bad.
I mean, that wasn't like the reason.

Speaker 5 It was mostly just because it was like,

Speaker 1 I

Speaker 5 have my priorities elsewhere.

Speaker 5 And I always on my podcast say, like, anybody who thinks that my shooting is related to how much I'm doing a podcast is a fucking But it does suck that they have that thing to point to and be like it's the worst 45 minute podcast.

Speaker 5 It's the worst Thursdays or Fridays or maybe Wednesdays like I obviously I'm around my my teammates or like the NBA whatever a lot of I know people in the NBA and it's like I know what goes on what people are doing off the court and it's like if you think that me stepping aside for 45 minutes a week to do a podcast yeah you're having a conversation essentially essentially.

Speaker 3 He's like, but they can say, you need to spend less time podcasting, more time in the gym.

Speaker 1 Exactly. And that's the go-to.
Like this one that we're taping right now, for instance, like you have, what? There's 90 minutes before you tip off against the Knicks.

Speaker 1 So, like, this is no point.

Speaker 5 Well, it's like 75 minutes now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so it's totally fine.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but it's like the five. If you suck against the Knicks, was it tomorrow night? Tomorrow night.
Yeah, tomorrow night. It's going to be.
Oh, man.

Speaker 1 We only had two beers.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Extreme a little weed, whatever.

Speaker 5 But the fact that it's like public facing, you know what I mean? So it's like guys are doing whatever they're doing. I'm not here to call it out names or whatever.

Speaker 5 But like, or even there's a huge thing now in the NBA community of like video games. Guys spend hours and hours streaming their video games and they'll be up at like 2 a.m.
or whatever.

Speaker 5 It's like, dude, I'm. I'm chopping it up with my high school friend and like a guest for 45 minutes a week.
And you think that's why the ball is not going to be a good thing.

Speaker 3 Or do you think that maybe there was something to the fact that you focused so hard on your offensive rebounding game this year? It's just because I ran the numbers on that too.

Speaker 3 And in 2019, you had 10 offensive rebounds total for the entire season. 2020, you had seven offensive rebounds total for the entire season.
Trending in the wrong direction. 2021 to the all-star break,

Speaker 3 you already have 20 offensive rebounds. Following your shot.
So you're on pace to nearly quadruple last year's numbers and Septemple 2019's numbers, but it's at the cost of your three-point shot.

Speaker 1 I just said following a shot, and Duncan was like, Yeah, thank you. And then he realized I was just saying he missed it.
It's because he's missing more.

Speaker 3 So, so, what changed? What did you focus on this offseason to really amp up those offensive rebounding?

Speaker 5 I watched a lot of Dennis Rodman film. Oh, wow.
And I was just like, How can I embody what this guy brings on a nightly basis?

Speaker 5 No, so actually, that was

Speaker 5 kind of like a running joke on our podcast last year. Davis had the idea of like queuing up my seven offensive rebounds and putting them in a highlight film.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's a pretty sick highlight

Speaker 5 with like some like suspenseful music. It's like one of those like high school mixtapes, like a John Wall mixtape soundtrack, but it's like me like getting an offensive rebound.

Speaker 5 And the funniest thing about my offensive rebounds last year were like they were exactly that. Like I would miss back rim and the ball would come right back to me like from three.

Speaker 5 So it wasn't like I was like crashing.

Speaker 5 The biggest difference, honestly, is that we had like a little shift in philosophy from like a team standpoint of like there was more of an emphasis to offensive rebound as a team.

Speaker 5 So it's kind of a boring answer, but like that's that's really what okay.

Speaker 1 So I have a question off that, but I wanted to go back to one thing real quick. So you said like obviously guys are, you know, you're podcasting, other guys are playing video games.

Speaker 1 Who's the best video game player that you've had as a teammate, either current or former?

Speaker 1 Why are you laughing?

Speaker 1 I see Hassan like post a lot of his clips and stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Anyone else? What game?

Speaker 1 What game was it? Josh Richardson.

Speaker 1 josh richardson was really good at fifa and i take pride in playing fifa but he didn't really stream though yeah like what about the streaming guys who go aggro on the stream

Speaker 3 it goes back to juwan all right

Speaker 1 that's a good teammate about this step in that's a good fucking step in step me in goes back to juwan look these athletes we revel in the competitiveness

Speaker 1 sometimes our emotions get the best of us it doesn't mean it's okay wait so you're doing So when you say it like that, you're counting yourself as an NBA player?

Speaker 1 No, I was going to say, Dave, where is that?

Speaker 1 That was an interesting use of we.

Speaker 1 So he was speaking for me in that moment. It's funny.

Speaker 3 We've had some guests that have passed questions to both of us. Like, you guys are athletes, you understand.

Speaker 1 And I always say, I never correct them. Fuck yeah.
I never correct them.

Speaker 3 There's a spectrum of emotions. When the tempers get too high, you can finger point, you can smoosh.
Sometimes we get real high, just a racial slur comes up. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 There's a lot of slurs. It's just about competitiveness.

Speaker 5 We are not supporting that behavior.

Speaker 1 No, it's completely

Speaker 5 I want to clarify if you're watching this. I'm not laughing at that behavior either.

Speaker 1 No, it's more you're laughing at the fact that we're dancing around it. 100% people know.
Our audience knows. So Spo, though.

Speaker 1 Great transition. Yes, great transition.

Speaker 5 Great transition.

Speaker 1 He is an unbelievable coach. I don't think he gets a ton of credit.
Like, he gets credit, but obviously his championships came with LeBron, so everyone's like, oh, it's, you know, a super team.

Speaker 1 What is it, if you could describe it, if it's something he does, something he sees that's different than everyone else, that makes him so great?

Speaker 5 It's a good question.

Speaker 1 Great question.

Speaker 5 There's a lot, a lot to unpack there. I'll say

Speaker 5 there's two things that really stick out. One is that he is, and this kind of ties in with the embodying heat culture.
He is an everyday type of guy.

Speaker 5 Like, he maximizes every opportunity every single day.

Speaker 5 If we have a 20-minute walkthrough before a practice, it's like if we're on the floor and we're talking about something that's meaningful towards winning, like we are locked in.

Speaker 5 And it's like he's going to go down the line to make sure everybody is.

Speaker 5 The other side of that is, you know, since I've been in Miami, this is my fourth year.

Speaker 5 We've had very different team makeups and we've had to win in different ways and we've had to play in different ways. And we've also had different makeups in terms of the personalities.

Speaker 5 When I first got there, we were like younger. My second year, we were definitely younger.
We had Jimmy and a bunch of young guys who were trying to prove themselves.

Speaker 5 You know, we were practicing all the time.

Speaker 5 We were, you know, playing with this chip, and we still play with that same chip, but the approach is much different because we have older, more proven guys, and he just trusts that as a team, like we have accountability amongst each other where he's not going to like police and babysit.

Speaker 5 Or even for that matter, like we've practiced a lot less this year. And a lot of people would be like, oh, well, that's not heat culture, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 5 But like the idea is that that just means we have more walkthroughs, more film sessions, and we're more locked in in those settings because we have guys like Kyle Lowry, P.J. Tucker,

Speaker 5 Jimmy, who have a lot of miles.

Speaker 5 So it's like you've got to find ways to win in between the margins. And it's not always like, you know, we call them like pads up practices where we wear knee pads and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 That's a Ty Riley thing for sure.

Speaker 5 Like we're not doing that. as much

Speaker 5 as we once were when I was first starting out.

Speaker 1 What about like a specific time where he drew up a play or he saw something before a game and gave you like a tip like hey this is what like that was like holy shit that he like unlocked yeah i love those stories whenever someone's like oh yeah he saw this told me and then i had the best game of my life so him and i have a really interesting relationship i mean he he

Speaker 5 gave it gave me a ton of confidence and like and so a bunch of belief in me early on when like quite honestly like i was undrafted my first year you know i was very much in one of those like slumps for the entirety of the year i couldn't make a shot i think i shot 28 from three uh my first year yeah you you can pull the numbers on that if you're curious.

Speaker 5 And like, you know, the following year into training camp, like he comes out publicly and is like, you know, Duncan's one of the best shooters on the planet.

Speaker 5 And like he kind of got crushed for it in a way. And then everyone's like, this guy who hasn't done anything at the NBA level, like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 5 So he, like, he builds up confidence, but then at the same time, like, he'll... lay into me and like light me up if I'm like not shooting or not being aggressive.

Speaker 5 So he's had a bunch of instances where like he just kind of knows the buttons to push.

Speaker 5 And you can see it actually if you watch like if I pass up a shot that he thinks is a good shot, he'll like get like physically, he'll have like physical antics like on the bench and it'll be like,

Speaker 5 you know, mixed in with some curse words, like basically like, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 I like that though. Like the fact that your coach, he's the biggest hard ass on you when you're not shooting.
Yes.

Speaker 3 That's got to be great for your confidence, actually, because it's like this guy believes in me so much

Speaker 3 that I'm getting in trouble for not shooting.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I mean, there was a great interaction in the bubble with Jalen Brown. I was in the Eastern Conference Finals.
And, you know, the bubble is like an intimate setting, right?

Speaker 5 There's no fans or whatever. So you can basically hear everything.
And I passed up a shot in the corner. And I was running back.
And we were running along the sideline that the coaches are on.

Speaker 1 And Spo is like laying into me.

Speaker 5 curse words, all sorts of stuff. And he's like, Jalen's like, yo, what is he yelling at you about? And I was like, he's mad that I didn't shoot that three.

Speaker 1 And he's like, God, it's like, he was like, it's like that?

Speaker 5 I was like, yeah, man, I just basically shoot it every time I touch it. Like, and that, and that's kind of like that was like the role.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 And, like, I, it took me a while to get to the point where, like, I felt comfortable doing that sort of stuff. Cause like, I was, I was, you know, I was an undrafted.
I played Division III basketball.

Speaker 5 Like, I'm four years removed from playing in front of 1,200 people in fucking Western Massachusetts.

Speaker 5 You know, so it was like, it took me a while to get to the point where, like, this guy, this Hall of Fame coach, wants me to shoot it every time I touch it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, what's more awkward when he yells at you or when Jimmy Butler just calls you dumb publicly?

Speaker 1 I got the quote right here.

Speaker 3 He says, I've played with some pretty smart players before. Duncan's like the dumbest one out of all of them.

Speaker 1 I've been around some Hall of Famers.

Speaker 1 That means

Speaker 1 he's smart though. I was actually...
So I... Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 1 There's more.

Speaker 3 I've been around some Hall of Famers, really great players. It helps when you got guys that are extremely smart and know the game, except for Duncan.
He dumb.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay, so no. Because I thought for a second there, it sounded like you were saying, of all the smart players, he's the dumbest.

Speaker 1 yeah so that doesn't count the dumb players it sounds like you're just dumb i well it spins on he's calling you a really great player i think but you're just dumb but i'm dumb yeah i mean i'll take what i can get honestly you know that that one was uh

Speaker 5 that was actually funny enough that was like in the time of you know that slump you were alluding to uh where i was just entirely off social media so i davis actually told me like broke that news to me is like do you see what jimmy said this was like two days later i was like no i have no idea what you're talking about because i was just off my phone He's like, yeah, he called you dumb at press conference.

Speaker 5 And then I had to look it up for some context.

Speaker 1 But, you know, it's just Jimmy being Jimmy. Jimmy being Jimmy.

Speaker 3 Would that be a good thing for your jump shot, though? Like, if you're dumb, you can't overthink it. It's probably harder to get into a slump, I would imagine.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 5 I'm a classic overthinker, like, in every sense of the phrase. So, like, it's not really working for me.

Speaker 5 But, yeah, you would think that if I had less thoughts, then I would just let it fly.

Speaker 3 I've always said that, like, the dumbest kicker that you could ever find would be great for a football team because you never get in your own head about it.

Speaker 5 He just doesn't even understand

Speaker 5 the moment. It just doesn't even register.

Speaker 1 How many times has Jimmy changed his phone number since you've been on the Heat?

Speaker 8 I think just twice.

Speaker 1 I think it's more than that. Yeah.

Speaker 5 I think just twice. I think he changed his phone number.

Speaker 5 After the bubble, I think he changed it now. to like a Hawaii number or something.

Speaker 1 It was like very obscure.

Speaker 3 But yeah, I think just twice.

Speaker 1 I remember talking to someone who was on the Bulls with Jimmy and he was like, yeah, he changes his number like every few months. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Honestly, I probably just have like maybe one or two renditions of his number. Like he probably has, you know, a whole assortment of phones.

Speaker 1 Along those same lines, and we're going to wrap up this portion and we'll do the rest on your guys' podcast in a second.

Speaker 1 But like in terms of a NBA locker room, I think there's a lot of times where we as fans are like, oh, all these guys are friends.

Speaker 1 They hang out all the time because they're around each other all the time. Is there, like, how close would you say you are to your teammates?

Speaker 1 And is there like a hanging out after practice, hanging out, like goofing around? Or is it a lot more of a business situation?

Speaker 5 Yeah, it's definitely different. I mean, college basketball is very much, you know, you're going to class, you're living in the dorms, you're, you know, study hall or whatever.

Speaker 5 Practice, lifts, all that stuff. Like, you're doing everything together, eating all your meals.
The NBA is in that there is kind of like a nine-to-five approach in a way, right?

Speaker 5 Like guys are showing up to work. After I finish my work, I'm going home.
I want to be with my family. I want to be with my friends.

Speaker 5 Or like even younger guys, if they don't have families, like they kind of got their crew that

Speaker 5 David spends a lot of time in Miami, you know, that sort of stuff.

Speaker 5 So it is different. I will say, like, this year, this is probably the closest heat team.

Speaker 5 It might rival the bubble team.

Speaker 5 Those two that I've been on in terms of like, we all, you know, if we're in a city, we try to go to get dinner. And also at the same time, it's like

Speaker 5 naturally, it's kind of in groups. Like older guys kind of tend to do their own things.
That's not to say that we all don't like hang out occasionally together, but,

Speaker 5 you know, just naturally, like younger guys.

Speaker 5 I mean, I'm 27. I guess I'm not that young anymore.

Speaker 1 I did like 10.

Speaker 5 You're still young. Yeah, I did five years of college.
Yeah, I took my time.

Speaker 5 Not dumb.

Speaker 3 You're talking about like it's prison. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I did five years of high school, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, hard time. You are dumb.

Speaker 5 I call it the 10-year plan.

Speaker 3 That just really took my time. Yeah, I think that's what Jimmy was getting at.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe. I went to a victory like twice.

Speaker 5 But you could also look at that as had a lot of education. I've sat in a lot of classrooms.

Speaker 1 Stick, though?

Speaker 5 That remains to be seen, I think.

Speaker 1 I think what, like, as a fan, I think it bums me out because I watch a team and I'm like, you know, every fan has done this, like, oh, how fun would it be to be on that team?

Speaker 1 And it's like, I'm thinking in my head, like, oh, we'd just fucking kick it after. Like, it'd be so sick.
But it's not like that.

Speaker 5 It's not necessarily like that, but

Speaker 5 you naturally do spend a lot of time with each other because of the travel schedule, you know, on planes, buses, practices before, after, in hotels.

Speaker 1 Like, there is

Speaker 5 just by like default a lot of that. You know, like when we're all, like, we've been on the road a bunch this year.
Our

Speaker 5 road schedule has been like super front-loaded.

Speaker 5 Like in March, we're in Miami basically the entire time. So yeah, and like instances like that, guys are taking advantage of being back and going to spend time with their family and stuff.

Speaker 5 And also like, it's also Miami, so like there's a lot to do.

Speaker 3 Would you consider yourself to be like a, are you a medium-sized baller or are you a big baller in Miami?

Speaker 5 I'm probably like just passing the threshold in the medium-sized baller.

Speaker 1 If you walk down south from

Speaker 1 a little baller. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. So you're on the way up.
Your baller status has increased with the new contract.

Speaker 5 Honestly, actually, actually, in that, I'm probably still a pretty.

Speaker 1 Can you drop your name if you're making a reservation?

Speaker 5 I mean,

Speaker 5 I personally cringe when I do that. So, like, I have a friend of mine who I just call and like, you know, that's crazy though.

Speaker 3 No, that's much more low-click. What do you mean? You've got a guy that you have called.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 5 And I will say, he's, you know, he's basically batting 100.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I started dropping Duncan Robinson's name in Miami.

Speaker 1 But I know, but he didn't show up. He'd be like, no, one of us us is.

Speaker 3 Well, it depends on if he's in a slump or not.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 5 Here's the thing with my guy, though, is like, he, you can just say Davis.

Speaker 1 Davis is the one.

Speaker 5 It's actually not Davis.

Speaker 5 It's not necessarily my name that gets it done. It's just that he is as persistent as you could like.

Speaker 1 He could possibly imagine. Yeah.
Because that would be all. You can't say that.
You can't call.

Speaker 1 Like, I think once you get to Big Baller and you just say, what's the name? And you say Duncan Robinson. They'll be like, oh, sir.
Okay, good.

Speaker 1 You do need someone to be like, yo, he plays for the heat. I swear to God.
Oh, he'll come in a jersey, like, to prove it.

Speaker 5 Well, you could also be like, what I've learned some tactics is you can be like ambiguous a little bit and be like, you know, my client plays for the heat.

Speaker 1 And then maybe they're like, oh, well, maybe it's Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 5 Like, we're not going to deny Jimmy Butler at table.

Speaker 1 Like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Whereas if they were just like come out and say like, oh, it's Duncan Robinson, maybe they'll be like, I have no idea who that is. Which is like probably in all likelihood.
No.

Speaker 1 Well, it's Miami's time. Like, if you play in a different city, Miami's just very famous and very...

Speaker 5 You got DJ Khaled running around down there.

Speaker 1 Dave. Dave's running around.

Speaker 5 You think my name's Moving Wade?

Speaker 3 It's just not. Who would you say runs Miami now? Who's the biggest celebrity down there?

Speaker 1 It's got to be Pitbull always, right? Until he dies. Mr.
World Wide. Danny Burkain.

Speaker 5 Mr. 305.
Yeah, Danny.

Speaker 1 He's in the mix as well.

Speaker 5 He's definitely in the mix.

Speaker 1 He's getting that train to the stadium.

Speaker 5 I think Pitbull is... I mean, a combination of Pitbull and DJ Khaled, I would say.
And honestly, Dave Grutman, too. Yeah.
He's in the mix. And that's Dave.

Speaker 1 He's Portnoy's friend. Yeah.
Yes. He's down there.

Speaker 1 All right.

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Speaker 1 We're going to end this interview here, and we're going to do the second part on the long shot with Duncan Robinson and Davis Reed.

Speaker 1 My last question is, Davis, have you, how much part am I take if you listen to?

Speaker 3 A decent amount.

Speaker 1 Do you know about the roast we did of not

Speaker 1 you personally, but your name? No. Okay, so we're going to do that

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Speaker 3 Aiden Hutchinson. And now for something completely different.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on very special guest, potentially first pick in the NFL draft. It is Aiden Hutchinson from the University of Michigan.
He's here with Auto Trader. See the sweatshirt.
Love it.

Speaker 1 Super Bowl week. You're doing the whole thing.
You're doing the car wash.

Speaker 1 So we'll try to hopefully ask you some questions that maybe you haven't been asked.

Speaker 1 But maybe one that you have been asked.

Speaker 1 Which state would you rather live in florida or michigan right so with florida you got the no income tax you got um i mean it's blistering hot in uh during fall camp but then michigan you kind of got the reverse you got income tax but that camp will be smooth um and there's a lot of benefits to both that's tough i mean that's what's good is i got family in michigan too so it's like but do you want to have the pressure where you got to get tickets every game for them i mean the tickets i don't know i can't imagine how many tickets i'm going to need yeah because i got Although it is the Lions, so.

Speaker 1 I know. Well, hopefully, if I go there, we start winning.
Yeah. That's the plan.

Speaker 1 That would be ideal right there.

Speaker 3 A lot of people, me, are saying that you should do the old Eli Manning.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 3 if you get selected before the Lions, that you want to go to Detroit and create them and be the guy that turns Detroit to a winner. You and Dan Campbell.
That's right.

Speaker 1 Hand in hand.

Speaker 3 I bet you'd like playing for Dan Campbell.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've seen some interviews of him tearing up, and he sounds like he's super passionate about the boys over there it sounds like from what i hear from my agent and stuff like that the boys are all bought in yeah huh yeah i mean they're all they're they're in it we yeah they love campbell they fought for him yeah um i mean you had a guy we we love jim harbaugh we've had him on the show a bunch of times um

Speaker 1 What's your best Harbaugh story or like the most quintessential?

Speaker 1 I feel like Harbaugh probably wouldn't, especially this season, he just like grabbed you a bunch and like, you know, you know, like, ah, you're doing this for me.

Speaker 1 We had a few moments in games where we were just grabbing each other and and screaming face to face. And like, there was, there's some clips from us just going, ah,

Speaker 1 and it's like, it's just unbelievable. And, I mean, like, the hardball that we get is like pre-practice.
I go out there in our weight room getting, just warming up. And he's out there, like, no shirt.

Speaker 1 khakis on just ripping squats and that's like he doesn't give a shit like like what you say or what you think like he just he does his own thing and like that's what I love about him is like he has no shame in like doing that just just ripping squats and khakis and just doing his thing and like that's that's hardball and hey if you're not with him you better you better get get out of the way yeah does he does he text you a little bit he's not he's not a big phone guy right

Speaker 3 he's more of you know an in-person kind of dude he uses Excel for everything that's what we found out about him like when he's writing up he doesn't use a Word document doesn't use Google Docs he types everything into an Excel script.

Speaker 3 See, I didn't even know that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, into Excel and then copies and pastes it.

Speaker 1 It sounds like a harbaugh thing, though. Yeah.
Yes.

Speaker 3 I've heard one of his favorite moves is the first time that he sees a younger player with a tennis skull or something like that, he'll go up to him and be like, hey, you know what the five-finger horseshoe is?

Speaker 3 Did he ever do that to you?

Speaker 3 And he'll just straight up put five fingers into the guy's tin, take out... their entire pack of tobacco and put it in his lip and just walk away.

Speaker 1 I mean, that sounds like coach Harbaugh right there. He does a lot of stuff that you kind of sit there, you're like, oh, well, okay.
I mean, that's different. But hey, that's Coach Harbaugh.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And that sense. I would imagine, I mean, we were very happy for him when you guys beat Ohio State.

Speaker 1 How long was that? Because you had the Big Ten Championship game right after, but how long was that glow? Because I feel like I watched all the,

Speaker 1 I don't like Michigan.

Speaker 1 I'm a badger, but I love Harbor.

Speaker 8 We took out your Badgers this year.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, we beat you like 500 times in a row and beat the shit out of you. I'm just glad I could go out on a win again.
Yeah, all right, okay. But I just beating their ass at the back.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but let's, I mean, I could look up

Speaker 1 2020. But what about 2019 when we just ran the ball down your throat like 100 times in a row? Yeah, and that's got to suck.
Yeah. 2021.
Okay, whatever. All right.
So let's go.

Speaker 1 I was saying, yeah, I was saying,

Speaker 1 I root for Harbaugh. I want him to do well.
So I watched like all the highlight videos from like the locker room and the smile. Did he have that smile for like days after?

Speaker 1 Because it was such a big moment for him. I know it was for the team, but like so many doubters, you know,

Speaker 1 who would have been like 0-6 or 0-7.

Speaker 1 So that was everything for him. No,

Speaker 1 he was on a high, I think.

Speaker 1 It was, I saw it a little bit after the Ohio State Camp, but it was mostly after we got the job done in Indy, where it's like, you can finally take a breath and you get a little break.

Speaker 1 And like, I mean, we'd walk into some team meetings sometimes and he'd just be like, and we're, and we're Big Ten champs, baby. And the whole room would just go crazy and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 But like, so he was feeling himself for for sure. But

Speaker 1 that's a hardball I haven't seen. Yeah.
And so being able to see that side of him where it's like, finally, we get some freaking glory and we can just have some fun and victory.

Speaker 1 It was like, I'm glad I got to see that for my last year with him. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Do you actually hate Ohio State?

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, it's real.

Speaker 1 I grew up in Michigan too. You got to know.
I grew up literally watching Michigan lose to Ohio State every single year. So it's like, it was deep.
And your dad was a captain, right?

Speaker 1 My dad was a captain back in the 90s, and he never lost to Ohio State. He was 4-0-1.
He tied him once, but

Speaker 1 and he won five big Big Ten championships, two in a row. And

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm just glad I could finally beat OSU and get a ring of my own.

Speaker 3 You know, do you think you could beat up your dad?

Speaker 1 Now, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 What age was that? I imagine. So, so we would always arm wrestle a little bit.
I think when I turned 18,

Speaker 1 we finally

Speaker 1 we we were arm wrestling and he and he screwed up his elbow and um i think that was the the point where i was like like that can finally get your ass a little bit you know yeah man of the house yeah that's gotta be a tough pill to swallow for your your dad like you're uh you know like you said michigan captain a legend you like to think that you're always going to be able to dominate your son oh 100 it happens to all of us man yeah it's crazy i mean but you still got that dad's strength though yeah you can't sleep on the dad's no dad's strength for real see so i don't i don't know his true potential in terms of dad's strength because, you know,

Speaker 1 he just keeps it. Right.

Speaker 1 If you were in danger, he would be able to turn

Speaker 1 dad mode.

Speaker 3 It's kind of a catch-22 situation because, yeah, if you were in danger, he could activate the dad's strength, but then he couldn't use that dad's strength to hurt you. That's right.

Speaker 3 So you always kind of have one up on him.

Speaker 1 If you punch yourself?

Speaker 3 Yeah, and he'll stop you by knocking you out.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he'll be like, hey, dude, stop hitting my son. That's right.

Speaker 3 Do you think, well, Big Cat is a dad.

Speaker 3 Do you think that you could escape this room right now? Like if all of us, it's me, Bubba, Hank, Billy, Big Cat. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All of us.

Speaker 1 That's a lot of bodies.

Speaker 3 If we told you you can't fucking leave.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 You think you could take it?

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I might be able to. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think you'd probably take us. I'm pretty confident.
I'd just lay down. I don't know.
I don't know. If you guys devise a plan with the legs, arms.
That would be us coordinating it.

Speaker 1 We probably wouldn't work.

Speaker 1 That's right. If we could actually have a plan together.
Now, one by one, maybe. Billy would go war mode and our plane would be gone.

Speaker 3 Yeah. He would do the old Leroy Jenkins thing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's right. I got this boy.

Speaker 3 I'd be like, okay, I'm going to grab a sweatshirt and pull the hockey sweater over him. Hank, you take one, Bubba, you take the other big cat, you bear hug him.

Speaker 1 And then Billy just like runs directly at you and gets killed.

Speaker 1 All right, so I'm very curious about this. This season was incredible for you.
Going into this season,

Speaker 1 what were the conversations about where you would potentially be in the draft? So my junior year, it was the third game. I broke my ankle, and

Speaker 1 we only played six games that year. So I kind of had a decision to make, and they had projected me

Speaker 1 30 to 75. So that's late first, anywhere to the early third.
And that was kind of what I was looking at. And I know my potential, and I knew it.
So

Speaker 1 I knew

Speaker 1 I could be a top guy. guy, but like just kind of how the car, my cards fell my junior year, I wasn't able to show it.

Speaker 1 So then my senior year, we come, I get a new coordinator and he kind of opens my role up. He gives me a ton of freedom to just go out and do my thing.

Speaker 1 And I knew preseason, I was like, I just feel like I'm about to just explode once I get on that field just because he's letting me do really, not whatever I want, but if I go and make a mistake, it's not the end of the world.

Speaker 1 He knows what kind of player I am and I'm going to make up for it and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 So was there a moment where you, like, was there a specific moment you can remember where you read a draft, a mock draft, or you saw something where it's like, oh,

Speaker 1 now they're talking about me top 10? Right. Yeah.
It was,

Speaker 1 I think it was after the Washington game. They had a good tackle and I had like...

Speaker 1 two and a half sack game and it was kind of my first game that was like, it was a, it was a question, like, how is it going to do against Washington, their tackles.

Speaker 1 And I went and had a game and that was when I first started seeing like, you know, the first round, like top 10 stuff, and then start seeing them going to the Lions. I'm like, oh, this is crazy.

Speaker 1 Okay, so now this is a very human moment, and I'm sure it happened to you, and you shouldn't feel ashamed about it.

Speaker 1 Did you then go look up like what the difference between like the 30th pick and the fifth pick? Transmoney? Money. Oh,

Speaker 1 I've already known about that. Yeah, like that's that's got to be cool.
I mean, it's insane. They're putting it at five now, and that's all right.
So looking at the numbers, it's insane.

Speaker 1 Like, dudes, like when they say a first-round pick, like, I mean, that can, that's a difference of like from first to 30 or 32, it's like 30 million dollars.

Speaker 1 Yeah, in sign, you're probably like 20 million in signing bonus. So, it's like it's a big disparity.
And, um, you know, just to be in this conversation of being on top is really cool.

Speaker 3 Yeah, who do you model yourself after?

Speaker 3 If you're looking at somebody that's playing football right now or has played within the last five years, is there a pro that you're like, I want to be like that guy? Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, I watch a lot of NFL film and I kind of like taking bits of pieces. I watch a lot of TJ.
I mean, TJ is an absolute baller. And I watch the bosses.

Speaker 1 Those three are really

Speaker 1 guys who I watch. And I, you know, try to take little things to add into my game and make it my own style.

Speaker 3 Other high-motor guys?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Gritty guys. Grit? Yeah.
No, it sounds like you lack.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, I saw you on Chris Long's show, too. Yeah.
No, Chris Long, yeah, he's a great guy.

Speaker 3 And you guys were getting like a little bit nerdy with it with the

Speaker 3 real in-depth discussion about technique and stuff.

Speaker 1 That's right.

Speaker 3 right yeah we're getting a little football yeah so you i i heard on that that you you know when you were playing for your old coordinator who we love by the way yeah i mean guys being dudes like he's he's the guy that you're either a guy or a dude right when did you become a dude

Speaker 1 i think when i was a uh he officially said it to me

Speaker 1 I think more transitioning to when I was a junior. This is Dom Brown.
Yeah, the first one. Dom Beasy.
Yeah. Dom Beasy.
And

Speaker 1 yeah, I think he said it to me. And that's like the ultimate, it's the ultimate like sign of like you made it you've been knighted at that point yeah you're knighted to a dude

Speaker 1 and uh no he's he was hilarious in those meetings though and he was an old man who freaking got after it and got after us yeah solve the solve all your problems with aggression that's right that was my

Speaker 1 yeah yeah no he's yeah he's he's a he's a funny dude do you want we want to help you So do you want to address the quote-unquote weaknesses in your game that are going to be talked about?

Speaker 1 So I think. I have them in front of me if you want me to go through them.
You don't have to go through them. Well, how's your hip flexibility? I got great hip flexibility.

Speaker 1 Don't listen to them.

Speaker 1 Who are you talking to? I'm reading right now. It says Hutchinson has displayed limited hip flexibility.
I'm going to ask you.

Speaker 1 So we need to,

Speaker 1 how would you say your flexibility feels? Look, man, I feel extremely flexible in my hips. Okay.
And despite whoever that is, whatever they say,

Speaker 1 I mean, if they see it, I guess they got the right to their own opinion. So

Speaker 1 the other one that I like, I don't even really understand. They said that

Speaker 1 you're going to need to adjust to the snap counts in the NFL because they're not as simple. Do you have snap count problems?

Speaker 1 I mean, I was jumping the snap count a lot in college. Right.
You can't do that in the pros. You can't.
Aaron Rodgers likes to cheat. That's right.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Do you freelance too much?

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 Watch out. Is that a weakness? No, I don't know.

Speaker 1 It's just something that you. Well, I really don't freelance.

Speaker 1 See, I'll counter. I'll take a B-gap like

Speaker 1 once, probably twice a game, if not. So I'm not a big freelancer, but just knowing in my head that I got a little freedom

Speaker 1 keeps me out of you. Because

Speaker 1 you're going to get asked these questions at the combine. 100%.
Yeah. What are some other questions? Are you a cat or a dog?

Speaker 3 Yes, yeah, cat or dog.

Speaker 1 Oh, no. This is the easiest question.

Speaker 1 This is already a failure. I'm just seeing, though, if I say I'm a dog, I mean, that's.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's an easy question.

Speaker 1 It's too easy.

Speaker 3 This is like the baseline question.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to be more complex about it. Oh, maybe you go with like, I'm actually a lion.

Speaker 1 Maybe. That's a cat.

Speaker 1 If it's with Dan Campbell, you'd say it's a lion. Yeah, right.
And they're like, wait, I'm not. Or are you a jaguar?

Speaker 1 They're both. Well, that's a cat.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 Well, there are no dogs.

Speaker 1 There are no dogs in there. Right.

Speaker 1 Now you guys got me.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 1 I don't know. What would you say is like a lion versus a jaguar? Who wins in a fight?

Speaker 1 I feel like a lion, right?

Speaker 3 King of the jungle. yeah yeah they're way bigger

Speaker 1 okay yeah

Speaker 3 i mean what's your favorite jungle what's your favorite movie that has a character named simba hmm

Speaker 1 a lion i mean

Speaker 1 lion king is what you say yeah i mean lion king but you really love lions huh so you think a jaguar no wait a lion beats a jaguar but what if like a giant walked in

Speaker 1 i mean what kind of how big is this giant he's big he's blue he's big he's a big giant. He's a big blue giant.
Yeah. I feel like the giant will win.
Oh, interesting. But then, last second.

Speaker 1 But how giant is the giant? The jet comes and crashes into the giant. Who survives that crash?

Speaker 1 Well, I'm assuming the giant is not from this planet. Right.
So I would assume that he would survive a plane crash. Okay.
So the giant.

Speaker 3 The giant also pays a lot of money in taxes, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would assume so.

Speaker 3 A ton of money. Yes.
A lot. Way too much money.

Speaker 3 The giant actually has to move to Florida for seven months out of the year so he doesn't get taxed like he lives in Florida.

Speaker 1 Oh, actually,

Speaker 1 so when you go to the combine, if you do, because what did the Giants have the third pick or fourth pick? They've got two of them. No, they have the fifth.
They have the fifth?

Speaker 1 The Jets have the fourth. Okay, who's got the third? Texans? No.
Texans. Yeah, Texans.
All right. So if you do get to talk to Brian Dable,

Speaker 1 we've had him on. Yeah.
He loves these nuts jokes. Really? Try to hit him with one.
Yeah. Really? Because he actually,

Speaker 1 he absolutely wouldn't expect it in that setting.

Speaker 1 Did you go out on a limb and you hit him with one we try to josh allen told us to try to do it oh that's all he does is talk about him but if you did that in the combine setting like he i think his guard would be down

Speaker 1 you could get him how about this that would be a power move that would be here's what you do that'd be a power move here's what you do you go and you say hey i'm aiden he goes aiden and you go yeah

Speaker 1 Aiden nuts look pretty big, huh?

Speaker 1 That's right. That'd be a power move.
Oh, man. Yeah.

Speaker 5 He would love you forever.

Speaker 1 He would. And I could tell you, like...

Speaker 1 Would they trade up, maybe? Yeah.

Speaker 3 I think you could legitimately make yourself like $3 billion if you hit Brian Dable with a well-executed D's nuts.

Speaker 1 He would think of it every day. Like when he looks at the draft board, he's like, but God can hutches.
This guy gets it. He's good.
Yeah, he gets it. This guy gets it.
He just gets it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to start formulating some stuff in my head. I'm telling you, it would be incredible if he did it.
If you pulled that off.

Speaker 1 All right. So I had one last question.

Speaker 1 What was the like walking away from the semifinal game? Obviously, it didn't go your guys' way. Michigan had a great season, but

Speaker 1 was Georgia really that good? Because I'm just curious from an opponent's standpoint, they win the national title. You talk about how unbelievable they were.

Speaker 1 Could you feel it?

Speaker 1 I think

Speaker 1 schematically,

Speaker 1 they were better than us.

Speaker 1 I think they got us into some situations that

Speaker 1 not that we didn't expect, but that

Speaker 1 we got to be better and execute our own game plan. But in terms of,

Speaker 1 it just felt like another football team. You know, everyone wants to say SEC versus Big Ten, but like it was a good O line.

Speaker 1 I mean, they're big dudes, but every old line, it's like Wisconsin's O Line's got some big ass dudes. And it's like, it doesn't really matter.
I don't know. I mean, they were good.

Speaker 1 It's just like, you know, I felt that they took me out of that game, props to them, because I think they schematically made the game and took me out of it. And, you know, and,

Speaker 1 you know, they got us. And it hurt.
What about your O-line? Did they regret doing that walk-in? Because

Speaker 1 that was tough. I know.
I know. It was tough.
Run the damn ball. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It looked a little bit better. But see,

Speaker 1 the thing with Georgia's defense is

Speaker 1 they were built to stop gap scheme run plays. And that's a lot of our offense had those gap scheme counters, power, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I mean, with the big dogs in the middle, I mean, that's like their defense was so talented. And, and, I mean, how do you beat them? I mean, Bama showed you how to spread them out.

Speaker 1 You got to, you know, fast tempo, get those guys tired. And, yeah, so I think they matched up very well against us.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, the crazy thing about Georgia is even their big guys are super fast. Right.
So you can spread them out a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you can make them tired, but it's going to take a while for them to get worn down.

Speaker 3 You just, it was tough because you ran into, like, in my opinion, one of the best defenses in the history of college football. 100%.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 But not to take away from the season you guys had because it was amazing. Yeah.
And I just want to ask you real quick about going into that week against Ohio State.

Speaker 6 Like,

Speaker 3 what was the tone like?

Speaker 3 How intense was it around practice? Was it one of those atmospheres where everyone's a little bit on edge? Right. Or were you guys enthusiastic, happy, carefree? What was that like?

Speaker 1 You know, Coach Harbaugh renamed our nine-on-seven drill to the beat Ohio drill during spring ball because he felt like we needed to put more of an emphasis on it.

Speaker 1 So when we were hitting the beat Ohio drill on Ohio State week,

Speaker 1 that's when it got pretty real. And, you know, that's when, I mean, we knew, I mean,

Speaker 1 we've been preparing for those guys since January. So,

Speaker 1 you know, there wasn't too much of a difference because, you know, I mean, we were all, like, no one was satisfied with any win because we all just wanted to beat the freaking Bucks.

Speaker 1 Like, that was the last thing we all wanted to do. See, that's interesting.

Speaker 3 So we did it. I think it's kind of something something that I had thought at times.
I know what other people had, but it's like your team was built to win one football game. That's against Ohio State.

Speaker 3 And it's built under the assumption that if we're able to beat Ohio State, then the rest we can take. 100%.

Speaker 1 That was the mindset because Ohio State was always the top dog.

Speaker 1 And if we, you know, if we exactly, literally word for word, if we were built to beat Ohio State, I mean, who's going to be able to beat us? But obviously, Georgia, you know, great football team.

Speaker 1 I'd imagine Ricks was pretty sick that night.

Speaker 1 Skeeps was pretty crazy. Skeeps? It was crazy.
I mean, Ricks, I like Ricks because I've been to Ricks a couple times, and it's like there's always at least like two inches of water. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's.
Classic college ball. I know.
I know. It was.
Ann Arbor was freaking crazy that night. Yeah.
And no, it was

Speaker 1 great, though. It was

Speaker 1 real cool. All right.
Well, good luck.

Speaker 1 You probably owe us a little money off your signing bonus. We can talk about that later.

Speaker 1 Talk about it. Yeah.
Good luck. Well, if you get drafted by the Giants, you definitely own us.

Speaker 3 It's going to work if you do.

Speaker 1 i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm saying it at the combine i'm doing it yeah you he will it will absolutely land like he he when we did it to him he was like so happy that we were even bringing it up so yeah um all right but yeah best of luck at the combine draft all that stuff um always welcome back on so appreciate it man thanks for having me guys yeah

Speaker 1 Okay, let's wrap up the show. We're going to do a little guys on college.
We're back in Madison.

Speaker 1 Higher education. Higher education.
That's right. That's what we call it.

Speaker 3 Guys oncology.

Speaker 1 We'll also have a great show on Friday. We got to have one of our favorite recurring guests.
We're going to be in Indy for the combine. So get ready for that.
Higher education. What's up, fellas?

Speaker 1 What's up, Phil? What's up? I'm currently a sophomore in college, which means my whole first year was remote due to COVID.

Speaker 1 And something I've figured out is remote basically means you don't have to do anything. Yep, true.

Speaker 1 Well, the problem is now that I actually have in-person classes, I just don't go because I'm too used to smoking weed and playing video games.

Speaker 1 So I was just wondering if I can graduate without going to class for the rest of my college career. Thanks, boys.
I'll hang up and listen.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you sure can. It's called being an English major.

Speaker 1 It's pretty simple, actually. The tip, I assume he's at a bigger college because you can't pull it off at like a smaller liberal arts school.
But the tip I always give is

Speaker 1 I would either read the book or go to class. One or the other.
You pick one or the other and you'll be fine. I would either go, like, if I didn't want to read the book, I'd go to every single class.

Speaker 1 If I didn't feel like going to class, I'd read every single book on the list. Because they basically give you all the answers in college.
You just got to either read the book or go to class.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I would say that the point of college, unless you're studying to become a doctor, that's pretty much it. Just only if you're going to be a doctor and actually work on people's bodies.

Speaker 3 The point of going to college is to have a good time and to walk out of there in four years with a piece of paper saying that you graduated.

Speaker 1 That's it.

Speaker 3 Whatever way you can take to get there, go for it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take a wild guess to say this guy's not going to be a doctor. Probably not, yeah.
No offense, bro.

Speaker 3 But I'm saying, like, you can, college.

Speaker 1 You're a fucking fucking idiot the point for me at least going to college was just to have a good time yeah and then once i would graduate then i would get a job and maybe that piece of paper would help me get a better job yeah but seriously just read the book every every professor you got to remember every professor you ever had has been doing the same thing because they're lazy so they've been doing the same lesson plan for like probably 20 years if they have tenure and everything so they don't change anything and they basically make it so that if you read the book you'll have all the answers or if you listen to them drone on in in class, you'll have all the answers.

Speaker 3 I'm also a big fan of just the grind set in general, the grind set mentality, which is like just sometimes you learn more by cheating and learning how to pass that way than you would actually learn from reading the book itself.

Speaker 1 Well, if you cheat, you can just tell yourself, I'm not really book smarts. I'm street smarts.
Yeah, exactly. I'm going to be in the mafia.

Speaker 3 That's a good way to put it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Hank's dapping himself up.

Speaker 3 Then like on your LinkedIn profile, you can be like, education, School of Hard Knots. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 I was wondering if any of y'all had any funny experiences taking an exam, going to class, drunk or high.

Speaker 1 I asked because last Friday I started drinking on the early side, completely forgetting I had an online test to take by midnight.

Speaker 1 I remembered the test a few hours later and then went back home to take the test while fucked up, and I'm pretty sure I bombed it. Have you guys ever had a similar situation and how did it end up?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm trying to think of which one to tell because there are two.

Speaker 3 One time I went to school,

Speaker 3 went to class. when I was accidentally way, way, way too drunk.
I drank a lot of beer and it was an hour and a half.

Speaker 1 From the morning after or during the day?

Speaker 3 I accidentally got day drunk.

Speaker 1 That can happen.

Speaker 3 It can happen.

Speaker 1 We were walking up State Street in Madison today, and I turned to Hank. I was like, this is the type of day because it's like 45 degrees in Madison right now.

Speaker 1 I was like, this is the type of day I would just, at noon, I would just start getting fucking blacked out. Yeah.
On a Tuesday.

Speaker 3 It's a perfect day drinking. Yes.
I may have had a spotted cow also at like 10.30 this morning. Just one.

Speaker 3 Went in Rome. But so I had a little bit too much to drink before class.
It was a Spanish class, and I forgot how to speak Spanish because I was so drunk.

Speaker 1 And you're gonna like Peter Griffin when he played the piano?

Speaker 3 It was a disaster. It was like an abject disaster.
And then after the class was over, I'm sure he knew that I was drunk. I got up to leave.

Speaker 3 And I've never had to pee so bad in my entire life that I couldn't actually walk. Yeah.
I was like leaning against the lockers, walking down the hallway because I couldn't do a full walk.

Speaker 3 Because if my bladder stretched out that far, I was just going to piss myself. No joke.
I was like falling down from having to pee, not because I was drunk.

Speaker 1 There's nothing worse than the pee that you have after you've broken the seal and you keep drinking. Because you like, once you break the seal, you have to pee every like 30 minutes.
And if you stop,

Speaker 1 it does feel like you're going to die.

Speaker 3 It starts expanding so much. And then there was this, the person I was paired up with for a group project in that class.
After we walked out, I was like, do you think the professor knew I was drunk?

Speaker 3 And she was like, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3 Everybody knew that you were drunk.

Speaker 1 I was never drunk or high for a test. I had more class than that.

Speaker 1 No, I just, my other trick was I would just make sure that I don't think, I think after my freshman year, I never had a class on Fridays.

Speaker 3 That's smart.

Speaker 1 I made sure to, like, it would be like, oh, this class is interesting. Oh, it's on Fridays.
Never mind. So

Speaker 1 that's how you shape America's future.

Speaker 3 They really shouldn't have classes on Fridays.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I remember vividly passing on a few classes that looked very interesting, but I was like, oh, Friday at noon, that's a no-go. That's a no-fly zone.

Speaker 3 I tried one semester to get every single class on Tuesday and Thursday. Yeah, I had nothing but classes back-to-back.

Speaker 3 And then I realized after trying it on the first Tuesday of school that I actually physically couldn't get around campus fast enough to get into every building necessary for those classes.

Speaker 3 But the only reason was, like, can you imagine just having a four-day weekend every weekend?

Speaker 1 It's incredible.

Speaker 3 I had to redo everything and kind of change my mindset after that.

Speaker 1 Hello, Big Cat, PFT, Hank, Jake, Bubba, and William. I'm going on my first spring break trip next week and wanted to know know if you guys had any advice to make it a good time.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, go ahead.

Speaker 3 Go to like an arts and crafts store or a party supply store and get every single color wristband that you can possibly get. That way, you can get into any hotel, any resort that you're going to.

Speaker 3 I don't know if you're going to like a beach area where it's all inclusive or if it's like a spring break destination, but they will keep people out if you don't have the right color wristband to get in, showing that you're actually living there for the week.

Speaker 3 Also, the clubs, they have different color wristbands. Just stock up on wristbands.

Speaker 3 And if you put, even if you put like six or seven of them on your wrist to start the week, if you just walk into a place confidently with a bunch of wristbands, the bouncer is not going to like file through your wristbands to see if they can find the right exact one.

Speaker 1 That's true. I was going to say just

Speaker 1 go with it. Like don't say,

Speaker 1 no means no still, but say yes to everything. That's what I would say.
Say yes to everything. Like, because there will be time, like, hey, should we go do this? Should we go drink?

Speaker 1 Should we go do like, should we take a road? Like, yes, yes, yes, yes, to everything.

Speaker 1 But no means no. All right, a couple more.
Uh, what was each of your majors, and did you ever switch?

Speaker 1 For me, I was a finance major and once did so bad on a test that the teacher, also my advisor, didn't hand back my test results, but instead gave me the change major form to marketing with all the signatures needed already except my own.

Speaker 1 No bonus.

Speaker 3 That's pretty nice.

Speaker 1 I was history and poli-sci, and my history I had. Did you switch or you're no, I duh double, no big deal.

Speaker 1 But no, well, because my history, I

Speaker 1 found a loophole that, like, in every big school has this.

Speaker 1 I did a honors history whole thing where I had, like, to write a thesis and everything, but I found a professor who was like my mentor, and he was pretty much dead. He was so old.

Speaker 1 I don't think he read a word of what I wrote. He never made me come to do anything.
Like, it was incredible. He just was like, you're a nice kid.
A, A, A.

Speaker 1 It was, that's, find the oldest professor on campus and have him be your mentor that's a little life hack for you yeah because he's probably gonna die very soon he doesn't care about reading and they always like they like it when the young kids still

Speaker 1 the guy was so old he was like 90 years old i'm pretty sure it was like illegal for him to still be a professor i i like to imagine that there's an alternate universe in which big cat does a political podcast with like with like the johns the pod save america johns and dan well what i said was what i said was it would be the dans and the johns and the johns history poli sci is essentially the the majors of I was thinking about maybe going to law school at some point.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then was like, I'm too dumb for that.

Speaker 3 What that is, it's like a kid being like, lawyers make a lot of money.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, oh, I don't know. And then I was like, wait, I don't want to be a lawyer.
Send me down the money street.

Speaker 6 Fuck that.

Speaker 3 I ended up being an English lit major.

Speaker 3 And the reason why I kind of backed my way into that was after two and a half semesters, so halfway through my junior year, my advisor called me into her office for a meeting.

Speaker 3 And she goes, hey, you still haven't declared a major yet. What's going on here? I was like, well, I don't really know what I want to do.

Speaker 3 And then she made me just write down a list of professions that I wanted to be, and they were all over the map.

Speaker 3 I think I had like, I would like to be a cartoonist. I'd like to be a police officer.
I'd like to be a gym teacher.

Speaker 1 How old are you?

Speaker 3 I'd like to be a writer. Yeah, no, basically I was a construction worker.

Speaker 3 But so she sat me down. And she just said, well, you have no idea what you want to do.
I don't know what you want to do. Let's look at the classes that you've already taken.

Speaker 3 It just so happened that I had taken enough classes to put me on kind of a track to be an English major.

Speaker 1 That was similar for my history part.

Speaker 1 I got to like halfway through college. You're like, hey, if you just do one extra class with this dead professor, you can be a history major too.

Speaker 3 And also she goes, the nice part about this one is you only have to take one math class. I was like, sold.
I guess I'm an English major.

Speaker 3 My math class was maybe the funniest class ever because it was the same question.

Speaker 3 the entire semester. The question was, okay, this pond has 10,000 fish in it.
They die at a rate of 15% a year, but they reproduce at a rate of 30% per year.

Speaker 3 How many fish will be in the pond after three years? And so he would just do that question, but just have different types of antelopes. Percentage?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, and yeah, he would just switch the animals up. Like, there are 20,000 antelopes on the prairie.
What's the answer? I have no idea. I forgot how to do it.
Jake, you got it?

Speaker 1 All right, thank you.

Speaker 3 I need to know the fish answer.

Speaker 1 Hi, Hog Cat, PF Cheeks, and Henry Lock God.

Speaker 1 Have I become a nerd if I was the first person to finish my dynamics exam yesterday, or am I just that dumb?

Speaker 1 I airballed two threes in my intermural game last week, but was blaming it on the stress fractures in my foot. Now I'm wondering if it's because I've turned nerd.
Love the content as always.

Speaker 1 Thanks guys.

Speaker 1 Okay. No, you're not a nerd.
There's nothing better than finishing first.

Speaker 1 I've had that a couple times in college where, and then especially you give the like you finish first and then you turn it in and you just give like a little, man, that was easy as you walk out, even though you probably suck.

Speaker 3 No, I always feel like if I finished first, I fucked something up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know, but but

Speaker 1 I know you fucked it up, but to give it, to put it into everyone else's heads, where you're like, damn, was that as easy as you thought it was?

Speaker 3 What is a dynamics test?

Speaker 1 Sounds like robots.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you're a robot guy?

Speaker 1 We're so dumb, we can't even tell you what major you are if you give us like clues, context clues.

Speaker 3 Have you ever thought like about with your kids, you're going to have to teach them math at some point? And have you looked at what math? No, no.

Speaker 1 I don't

Speaker 1 know. I don't do math.
I am not going to be teaching them math. That's what a tutor is for.

Speaker 1 I'm very bad at math. There will be, I've actually thought about this.

Speaker 1 I think confidently I can say sixth grade is when my son will be better at math than me. Yep.

Speaker 3 I would even say, like, when is the times tables? Third grade? I can do I can do times tables.

Speaker 3 But then, if you've ever gone back and looked at a high school textbook for math when it's trigonometry, I was a fucking genius when I was 16 to understand that shit. I don't get it.

Speaker 3 I can't do anything with that now.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 it goes right over my head.

Speaker 5 I think you said 10,000 a a year, die at 15%, reproduce at 30%.

Speaker 5 I think that's an additional $1,500 per year.

Speaker 3 Okay, so now there's...

Speaker 1 Wait, but do they die before they reproduce?

Speaker 3 That's a good question.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Because that changes everything.
Or do they reproduce before they die?

Speaker 3 That would have been a great question to ask to be like the biggest asshole in the class. Be like, actually, your question's wrong, Professor.

Speaker 1 Because the mating cycles show that they reproduce first and then the 15%.

Speaker 3 Maybe it was just a critical thinking class the entire time, and he was waiting for somebody to ask him that question.

Speaker 1 Nobody ever did. Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, you got one more?

Speaker 1 Two more?

Speaker 1 I do have one more. Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 Both very douchey.

Speaker 1 That's fine.

Speaker 5 You choose.

Speaker 3 The douchier.

Speaker 1 All right. What's going on, PMT crew? Oh, no.
Within our fraternity, we created a basketball league. Everyone plays each other in the regular season for seating and in the playoffs.
Naked.

Speaker 1 Play to a target score of 45 each game. Last night in the season.
45. Last night in the second round of regular season games, the Kremlin were facing off against the ugly tuna saluna big kahunas.

Speaker 1 The kahunas were leading 43-40 when they forced a turnover and had a 2-on-1 fast break.

Speaker 3 It sounds like a David Spade movie.

Speaker 1 The captain of the Kremlin, Paul, dumb name. I don't know if he's talking about the Kremlin or Paul.
Paul.

Speaker 1 Decided to full-on spear tackle the guy with the ball, then stormed off the court when everyone yelled at him.

Speaker 1 He proceeded to go full Bobby Knight and throw things like his shoes and water bottle on the court. How should we punish these unjust actions?

Speaker 1 I think that guy rules. Paul sounds funny.

Speaker 3 Honestly, Paul sounds like he's Shane from Love is Blind season two, which we need to do a recap.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes, no spoilers. I don't think the fact that he went and had a temper tantrum, like if he had just tackled him, I think that's bullshit.

Speaker 1 And everyone knows the guy who, like, just point, you know, when you're playing pickup and there's

Speaker 1 point game and they just foul just constantly. That sucks.
But the fact that he went full Bobby Knight and started throwing his clothes and everything, I think he's kind of awesome.

Speaker 3 I think that Paul's the only sane one in the fraternity because you're playing a tournament of games and it's up to 45 points to win.

Speaker 3 Paul was just the first person to rightly point out, like, this whole situation is fucked. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm on Paul's side. Yeah.
All right, last question. No sanctions for Paul.
No. What's an ideal body count? You know what? We're sanctioning.

Speaker 1 Wait, what was it? What's an ideal body count for a senior in college? I like that guy because he listens to this show and he's like, they got to give Billy some more airtime.

Speaker 1 He's a real star.

Speaker 1 That guy's, yeah. Yeah, he's like, dude, Billy's been making a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 Ideal body count for a senior in college.

Speaker 1 Don't hate to go.

Speaker 3 Jesus.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do numbers. Oh, you know what? Here, we'll.
Zero. No, we'll have your answer for you in one second.

Speaker 3 Tim Tebow was a virgin, and he won the Heisman Trophy.

Speaker 1 No, we'll have your answer for you. Everyone guess.
What's an ideal body count?

Speaker 5 25.

Speaker 1 17. I'm going to say 22.

Speaker 3 I'm going to say one.

Speaker 1 Okay, one.

Speaker 1 We got

Speaker 1 it. Pubba.
No, we are. Say that six.

Speaker 1 52. If you don't fuck 52 chicks, eighth timer, new record.
Whoa!

Speaker 1 52. If you don't fucking 52 chicks your senior year, you're a fucking like you didn't even go to college, bro.
Or wait. You didn't even go to college.
Was it talking about fucking or killing?

Speaker 1 No, both. The Aaron Hernandez hat-track.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What if this was Ted Bundy who just wrote in?

Speaker 1 Love you guys. Love you guys.

Speaker 3 Yeah. 52.
Does Billy have an Animal Fact for us?

Speaker 5 I have a baseball update as of two minutes ago. 4 p.m.
Eastern. John Heyman, players are expected to vote no on the quote best and final MLB proposal.

Speaker 1 Bam. Okay.
Hang on.

Speaker 3 I'm going to Google Animal Fact for the first time. We'll update this at the beginning of the show.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Animal Fact. Did you know that elephants hold grudges?

Speaker 1 I think he's definitely done that before.

Speaker 3 Love you guys.

Speaker 1 Will Angel's hurt

Speaker 1 Today's a mine. I'll close my eyes.
Day to find you. Begin to pray.

Speaker 1 Shy in a way.

Speaker 1 Tears of joy

Speaker 1 down. I've been coming for your love and king.

Speaker 1 I'm all sent in the fear of my

Speaker 1 but I need

Speaker 1 someone in a way

Speaker 1 just fine

Speaker 1 We say of me

Speaker 1 it's the best you can save the time

Speaker 1 we're long for all

Speaker 1 people.

Speaker 1 We're on the floor bomb.

Speaker 1 We're on the firewall.