NFL Week 17, Fastest 2 Minutes, Bengals Huge Win, Antonio Brown Quits & An Interview With The Guy That Picked AB Up From Met Life

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Speaker 4 On today's Pardon My Take, week 17 of the NFL season. Not the last week of the season.
Week 17, we've got some big games to discuss. A lot of playoff picture has gotten clearer.
Some teams eliminated.

Speaker 4 Sorry, Jake, you were eliminated. Sorry, PFT, you were eliminated.
That's all right.

Speaker 4 A great Sunday, though. Great witching hour.
Big games. Awesome games.
We're going to do fastest two minutes. We're going to recap every single game.
We got football guy of the week.

Speaker 4 We got who's back of the week. Maybe touch a little bit on some bowls because all all we've been doing is watching football the last two weeks.

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Upstart.com slash PMT. Today is Monday, January 3rd, week 17.

Speaker 4 Whoop! Whoop! Whoop!

Speaker 4 We start in Cincinnati where the chili-eating Bearcat fans look to lick their wounds as Bengals. It was Jamario Cart Chase who got a triple mushroom, scoring three times on Sunday.

Speaker 4 Pharrell Williams wore a big hat for the Chiefs offense, scoring twice. And in my estimation, the Chiefs are still the team to beat.
That's cap boom.

Speaker 4 Clap along if you feel like the Chiefs now have C2. Cup of Joe Burrow is on his way to making Star Bucks on his next contract.
And there's a new Joe Cool in the NFL, and he resides in Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 The Bengals 34, the Chiefs 31. And let us be the first to wish the Cincinnati Bengals congratulations on the AFC North Crown.

Speaker 4 From Cinnamon Sinati over to Nashville, where Deontay George Foreman grilled the Dolphins' defense and landed the knockout blow on their season. Kua turned the ball over.

Speaker 4 Looked like he was smoking PCP on this raining day. I didn't know he liked to get wet.
Ha ha, come on, Jake.

Speaker 4 You're going to pull your blood, Jake. You've been smoking PCP.
Boat, ill. And a touching tribute to his namesake university, Duke Johnson and the Dolphins drives looked like they were drunk.

Speaker 4 Titans now have the one seat. Huh? Huh? Huh? Huh?

Speaker 4 Titans, 34. The Dolphins, three.

Speaker 4 Up to the meadowlands, and we kick it over to the singing duo. Bruce Arians and Antonio Brown.
I really can't stay. AB, it's cold outside.
I gotta go away.

Speaker 4 AB, it's cold outside. Just throw me the ball.
But you're not open at all. I must be leaving soon.
Baby, get in your balloon. Baby, it's cold outside.

Speaker 4 The Bucs 28, the Jets 24. We were in great tune there.
Nailed it, boom.

Speaker 4 In Indianapolis, where Hunter S. Thompson Rinfro brought the fear and loathing from Las Vegas.

Speaker 4 It looked like the Colts were going to stay hot as P-A-R-T-Y Hilton hauled in an absolute dime from Carson Wentz.

Speaker 4 But Derek, Baby, you can drive my car, had other plans as he took the Raiders down the field to set up their game-winning field goal. From Dan, baby, you can also drive my Carlson.
The

Speaker 4 Raiders

Speaker 4 get a huge win. 23-20.
In Baltimore, where Odell Beckham stuck his fist into the ballpit of Chuck E. Cheese Clark as a defensive back had two interceptions and a touchdown.

Speaker 4 In a matchup of Sean John, only one coach had the clutch gene. And the Rams snatch a victory out of the jaws of defeat as Tyler Bluntly rolled up a big fat L.

Speaker 4 Rams 20, Ravens 29. Sticking in the DMV, where Boston Scott Hanson was the superior red zone option.
Football team fans are saying, do you really want to jail and hurts me?

Speaker 4 Do you really want to make me cry?

Speaker 4 As the Eagles officially eliminated the Washington football team.

Speaker 4 Taylor Moon Heineke was looking very animated as he and Terry Troy McLaurin, who you might remember from such films as that sick catch in week one against the Chargers and not being one of the guys that got into the fight on the sideline last week, tried their best in a losing effort.

Speaker 4 Eagles, 20. Washington football team, 16.

Speaker 4 In Dallas, where Antoine Wesley Snipes felt at home with no state income tax, hitting pay dirt twice, the Cowboys offense continues to be rocky, but believers will wait to see how Kodak Prescott and his receivers develop.

Speaker 4 Chris Banjo turned Dallas into a bunch of soggy-bottom boys as Mike McCarthy remains the man of constant sorrow. Don't jump off that Cliff Kingsbury just yet, Cardinals fans.
Arizona is back. 25-22.

Speaker 4 Whoop!

Speaker 4 Whoop!

Speaker 4 Out in Seattle for Russell Wilson's last home game as a Seahawk. And DK Metcalf came one short of his personal record, scoring three times in an hour.

Speaker 4 Ahmad Rashad Penny had the inside stuffed, running it between the tackles for 170 yards. All right,

Speaker 4 we're almond. Amen.

Speaker 4 I want Amen with you. As St.
Brown led the Detroit Zions with two scores, reminding Lions fans everything's going to be all right. See York, 51.
The Lions, 49.

Speaker 4 In Southern California, Stone Cold Steve Austin Eckler and Andre the Giant Roberts formed a tag team to stun and suplex the Broncos.

Speaker 4 To end the first half, Scranton McManus had the office buzzing when he hit a 61-yard field goal.

Speaker 4 Meanwhile, Mike Williams took a tour de Los Angeles and pedaled into the end zone in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 But Noah Font scored a touchdown for the fourth time's new Roman this season and thought to himself, what the hell, Vitica? We still lost by 21 points? Huh? Chargers, 34.

Speaker 4 Broncos, 13. Great job, Jake.

Speaker 4 I didn't know you liked to get wet.

Speaker 4 Bike Williams is a classic.

Speaker 4 Standing on a corner, Jameis Winston down in NOLA. Such a fine sight to see.

Speaker 4 Blake it easy.

Speaker 4 Blake it easy.

Speaker 4 Why the fuck you starting taste so Chum Payton's crazy

Speaker 4 Saints go marching 1810.

Speaker 4 That was by far a worst single.

Speaker 4 Okay, week 17 in the books. What a week it was.
We're watching right now Sean Mannion and the Minnesota Vikings sadly end their season in Lambeau.

Speaker 4 Just kind of quietly sitting down in the cold and just letting the Green Bay Packers wash over them. Yeah, it's a very sad ending to a great week 17 for the Vikings because Sean Mannion,

Speaker 4 he's a guy that I recognize his name. When I said, who's starting for the Vikings tonight? You're like, Sean Manny.
I was like, oh, that's nice. Yeah, because he was on the Rams for a while, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah, right. He was backing up Blake.
And Oregon State, correct?

Speaker 4 I remember most of these guys.

Speaker 4 He's not a Virginia guy, is he? No, I remember most of these guys from college football.

Speaker 4 Yeah, because they were studs in college football. And then I'm like, oh, I liked betting on him in college football.
He can't be that bad. Oh, yeah, he is.
So the Packers have the one seed.

Speaker 4 This is now pretty much, it is official. I think they have all the tiebreakers.
I think the line next week against the Lions is going to be like a pick'em

Speaker 4 because the Packers will sit everyone, and now

Speaker 4 they'll have two weeks off before they have to actually start playing playoffs.

Speaker 4 And that will be the end of the week 17 until we obviously have Big Ben tomorrow night in the most emotional game of all time. One last thing about this game, though.

Speaker 4 This game would have kicked ass if Kyle Sloeder played. Yeah, I agree.
Universally, we can all say that Kyle Sloeder would have been a much better representation of who the Minnesota Vikings could be.

Speaker 4 Actually, you know what I was really, really hoping for? And this could have happened. There's like an outside chance in my wildest fantasy that this is how, on Earth 2, as they would say.
Yes.

Speaker 4 On Earth 2, Kyle Sloeder starts this game. He wins.
He starts next week. He wins that game.
And then, guess what? They have to make a decision who's going to start the playoff game.

Speaker 4 Is it going to be Kirk Cousins or is it going to be Kyle Sloeder? Oh, who's on a two-game hot

Speaker 4 hand? He's thrown eight touchdowns over the course of seven days. I think you've got to go with Kyle Sloeder at that point.

Speaker 4 It will be interesting because, I mean, Kyle Sloeder's not going to be the quarterback of the future for the Vikings, but it does feel

Speaker 4 we had a couple games today where it felt like errors were kind of over. It feels like this is the end of Mike Zimmer, like it's they're probably going to move on.

Speaker 4 He's a good coach, actually, a very good coach, but sometimes it's just like, all right, we got to do something different.

Speaker 4 And it might, I don't know how they'll navigate it, but might be the end of Kirk Cousins in Minnesota, too.

Speaker 4 Because it feels, I, you know, not to get into the entire COVID protocol and stuff, but like to miss this game when your season's on the line, that sucks. Yeah.
That sucks.

Speaker 4 I mean, I think there are a lot of things. It seemed like Zimmer and Cousins were kind of always going to be...

Speaker 4 They had like a shotgun wedding where at points it seemed like Zimmer really, really did not want Kirk Cousins, at least at that price tag.

Speaker 4 It might have just been Mike Zimmer hating every quarterback and just being a defensive guy and not really care.

Speaker 4 He definitely did not like Kirk Cousins anymore because of the price tag that came along to him.

Speaker 4 But it always seemed like a thing with Zimmer where it was like, yeah, I guess I'll try to win with Kirk Cousins. I guess he's my guy, but he seemed like his guy, but he never seemed like his boy.

Speaker 4 Kirk Cousins is one of those guys that, you know, everyone knows this person in their office or their school or whatever. They don't do anything specifically that makes you hate them.

Speaker 4 Just their existence bothers you. Like, I think that if you were

Speaker 4 in a facility with Kirk Cousins for multiple years, he never says anything bad. He's a nice guy.

Speaker 4 You can't actually say like, oh, Kirk Cousins, like, oh, he fucked fucked my wife, or, oh, Kirk Cousins, like, you hear what he's bashing everyone behind their backs, or he's, he's a fucking asshole.

Speaker 4 No, he's a nice guy. He's just, if you just look at him long enough, you're like, I don't like you, dude.
He doesn't have any vices. That's the problem.
Yeah, that's the problem.

Speaker 4 You can always tell him. I always like a guy that's that's just riddled with faults.
Well, he does have a vice.

Speaker 4 The way that he grills meat. Yeah, exactly.
But no, his vice. Killing meat in the worst way possible.

Speaker 4 His vice is just, that's not, that's a lack of not being a vice, is putting the foil down underneath. That's almost, I wouldn't consider that a vice.

Speaker 4 I think that's him trying too hard not to have a vice.

Speaker 4 He also does wear socks and sandals, so that could be considered a vice because that's just like, I'm going to go out like this.

Speaker 4 He's the least accurate quarterback in NFL history on his gender reveals for his baby. That's true.
That is true.

Speaker 4 So, yeah, Kirk Cousins probably over in Minnesota. All right, before we get to the rest of week 17, I am mad at you guys because we're now three days into the new year.
How's your diet going?

Speaker 4 It's starting today as you're listening to this. But I'm mad because none of you have wished me a happy January.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 So Dan Dokich has created Danuary.

Speaker 4 It's January for Dans. Okay, what do you do? We're going to read.
Yell about participation trophy. Yeah, we're going to read, and we're going to be our best dance.
Okay. So, watch out.
It's Danuary.

Speaker 4 But what's the difference between Danuary and just New Year's resolutions? I don't really know. I just know that we have a month named after us, and I'm in.
Okay.

Speaker 4 I haven't really actually followed up.

Speaker 4 Yeah, every time he tweets about it, I'm just like, I'm in. I don't even read the tweet.
I'm in.

Speaker 4 Weight loss. Okay.
No alcohol except for wild card weekend. Nice.
That's kind of.

Speaker 4 Divisional round?

Speaker 4 He's probably going to

Speaker 4 expect to go to the Colts game. Okay.
Read five books. Nope.
That's too many books.

Speaker 4 You read children's books, right? But January, Hickey, you can't read five books. Okay.
I'll read one. Do something good for someone every day.
All right. January.

Speaker 4 And then he added today, get healthy all month. Wait, we're adding stuff? He added today 11 hours ago.
Jesus Christ. Walk your dog, skip dessert, get off your ASS, do something nice for someone.

Speaker 4 All right, you know what? I'm out on January. Never mind.
You guys did the right thing by not wishing me happy Danube. Danuary is one of those things where it sounds good because it kind of rhymes.

Speaker 4 It rhymes. So that's the most part.
It's like Tails Never Fails. Yeah, right.
That's the only reason why I would ever go along with something like that. And it's just a month for dance.

Speaker 4 There was a tanning salon in my college town that would celebrate Tanuary. Okay.
So that actually sounds... You guys want to do Tanuary?

Speaker 4 I'm probably out on tanning. Get some of that vitamin D.

Speaker 4 It's just one of those things that if you tan, there's just a lot of questions about like what, so how did you, where'd you go? It's like, oh, I didn't go anywhere. It's Tanuary.
Yeah. Simple answer.

Speaker 4 You just stole Tanuary from me. No, I'm still.
Although I did receive it. You rescinded it, so I said we can open it up to something different.

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Speaker 4 All right,

Speaker 4 let's talk some football because we had some great football.

Speaker 4 We're going to start, even though the lead story is Antonio Brown, which will be the second game, and we have the guy who picked him up, Hustle Hard

Speaker 4 Danny Boy Hustle Hard. Danny Boy Hustle Hardy.
Danny Boy Hustle Hard. You know him.
Who picked up Antonio Brown after he left MetLife Stadium. We have a phone call with him to get the scoop.

Speaker 4 No other podcast will do this. I can guarantee that.
That will be story two. Story one has to be the the Cincinnati Bengals 34, the Kansas City Chiefs 31.
The Bengals are your AFC North champions.

Speaker 4 Joe Burrow was incredible. Jamar Chase was incredible.
They win the division at home against what was the one seed in the Chiefs and the team that everyone said, oh, here come the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 No one's going to beat them. An incredible game.
Probably the best game that the Bengals have had as a franchise in, I don't know, five, ten years.

Speaker 4 And I'm just happy for Bengals fans because to replay how the season has gone, we had a whole rant in the middle of the season when they beat the Ravens 41-13 or whatever the score was, or 41-17.

Speaker 4 They were leading

Speaker 4 the one seed at that given time. And we said, Bengals fans, soak it in, enjoy it.
And then they fell off a cliff. And now they're back.
Soak it in, enjoy it. Your team is for real.

Speaker 4 Joe Burrow is a fucking stud. That game was awesome.
Yeah, Joe Burrow, I think last week I said he was elitish. I think he's elite.

Speaker 4 I think Joe Burrow, I think I'm ready to officially declare it right now. Can you name five quarterbacks in the NFL that you would take this week over Joe Burrow?

Speaker 4 I would take Joe Burrow over Justin Herbert, and I know people would be like, what? I would, too. I would take him over Lamar Jackson.
I would too.

Speaker 4 Wait,

Speaker 4 here's how we do it. Let's rank the AFC North quarterbacks.
Number one, Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Joe Burrow. Joe, you're going to say Justin Herbert for AFC North? No, AFC North, Joe Burrow, number one.
Number two, Tyler Huntley. Yes, number two, Tyler Huntley.
Number three, Josh Johnson.

Speaker 4 Yep. Number four, Baker.
Baker. Five, Case.

Speaker 4 Six, Lamar. Wait, what about Ben? Best abilities availability.
Lamar's not been playing. Actually, okay.

Speaker 4 This week and this week only, I might put Ben ahead of Joe Burrow. It's his week.

Speaker 4 It's his week. It's his swan song.
We should pay deference to Big Ben. But no, Joe Burrow is an elite quarterback.

Speaker 4 It was incredible. Maybe, maybe just maybe the people that were saying don't draft Jamar Chase

Speaker 4 because you should take an offensive lineman. Maybe you should just take a player that's fucking awesome or

Speaker 4 a game changer who you can't, like, there are, I don't know, a handful of guys on offense in the NFL that wreck games. And Jamar Chase did,

Speaker 4 he had a little of a rookie wall that he hit there that he wasn't, he didn't have a lot of great games, but today was an enormous game at home, and he fucking delivered.

Speaker 4 And he was making crazy, even like the touchdown catches are crazy, but but like even that

Speaker 4 he had like a nine-yard catch after the run. It was a totally, it was a play in maybe the second quarter, 21-7.
Like, didn't really mean anything, but it shows you the type of player he is.

Speaker 4 That like he will always get those extra yards. And he's so hard to bring down.
He's so fast and shifty. He's awesome.

Speaker 4 There was one catch that he had where I was like, okay, now I really like this guy. It was like a 40-yard catch, maybe a 35-yard catch.

Speaker 4 And after he brought it in, he did the thing where he just kind of held his arm out and palmed the ball to keep it away from the defender and kept moving downfield.

Speaker 4 It looked like somebody's uncle playing against their nephew in pool basketball. Yes.
Where they're just like holding the ball away and being like, Come on, yeah, all you guys try to swarm me.

Speaker 4 You're still not getting the ball. He wrecks shit.
He does. He wrecks shit.
That's what he does. He wrecks shit.
He loves to wreck shit. And it's he has Nas.

Speaker 4 He actually has Nas in his body on the touchdown that he had where he ran in between five defenders. There's no other way to, that was fast and furious.
Yeah, and he's like,

Speaker 4 the Bengals are not a complete team. I think they're still

Speaker 4 probably like an offseason away from being true contenders, but they have everything in place right now. Like, to know that you have Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, and I mean, we said it last week, T.

Speaker 4 Higgins is under 23 as well. It's crazy how good they could be for a long period of time now.
And the feeling of we have our guy and he's so good.

Speaker 4 And it's like, I mean, Joe Burrow, it's hard to fully explain why he is like elite and why I would take him over those other guys.

Speaker 4 But if you just watch him for a game, especially a game like today where he was on, and the amount of like sacks he gets out of,

Speaker 4 the ability to shift around the pocket and make big-time throws. And they also, like, the Bengals, the way they run their offense, they don't really do him a ton of favors.

Speaker 4 They'll run so many empty sets where he just,

Speaker 4 you know, that he has to do it himself. He got his name plate ripped off.

Speaker 4 He's such a fucking warrior. I just love watching him play.

Speaker 4 I know this is sounding like borderline creepy, how I'm gushing over him, but if you're a Bengals fan, you understand everything we're saying because it's that much fun to watch him play.

Speaker 4 And we do need to start the motion of Joe Burrow being elite and having people respect that take. Bengals fans, you need to make sure that

Speaker 4 people in the media, when you tell them Joe Burrow is elite and they throw some weird stat at you to tell you why he's not and then ask you, well, what do you think about his completion precision on third down or whatever the fuck they're going to say?

Speaker 4 Just reply by saying, he just is. No, no,

Speaker 4 he just is elite. No, if people disagree that he's elite, you can drop the old, tell me you don't watch football without telling me you don't watch football.
Yeah. Because it's the eye test.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he just is. It's the eye test.
He just is.

Speaker 4 Just like Kirk Cousins is the eye test. Uh-huh.
Like, you can look at his numbers and be like, oh, my God, he's incredible. The eye test does not lie when you're judging these type of quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 And Joe Burrow passes that. Also, God, he plays a very significant part in football.
We need to come to terms terms with that. Things don't just happen all the time.

Speaker 4 Is there any other quarterback that would have gotten his nameplate ripped off his back and then gone on to beat the best team in the NFL? No.

Speaker 4 No, that only happens to quarterbacks who are going to end up being great. Now, all the gushing that we just did, is he hurt? No,

Speaker 4 he had his foot stepped on. And that was bad.
Like, at the end, I don't really understand. I liked their aggressiveness.

Speaker 4 It was a very weird ending because the Chiefs should have let the Bengals score, but then they didn't let them score, and they got stuck in a position where it's like, well, now we have to try to stop them, and they're going for it on fourth down when a field goal obviously could win the game in regulation if Patrick Mahomes doesn't go down the field.

Speaker 4 It was a clunky end to an unbelievable game. Yeah, it was a Mexican standoff between Andy Reid,

Speaker 4 Zach Taylor, and then a clock. And also the Chiefs just inability to have one play without a defensive penalty.
That was tough at the end.

Speaker 4 They got that drive extended like three times on these penalties.

Speaker 4 And then it was a great incomplete pass on the spike they brought in it was brandon allen that came in right yes and so everybody was like wait at first i thought that he just got brought in because he was their specialist on spiking the ball because he's so inaccurate then yeah this guy's gonna hit the ground for sure but then people were like wait joe burrow actually limped off the field i saw the replay he got stepped on as he was falling down

Speaker 4 oh wait jakes hold on we're by the way we're in our other studio because our other studio our real studio is broken still so we'll be back there on Wednesday.

Speaker 4 But that's why if you're watching this on YouTube, you're like, where the fuck are these guys? We're in the radio studio, Jink. He appears to be fine.
Okay. I'm playing it.

Speaker 4 That one, it's never good when you have a game that's, again, probably the best game, home game the Bengals have had in 10 years because they haven't won any playoff games.

Speaker 4 And Joe Burrow goes off limping at the end where everyone has to hold their points. I saw him doing the get the gat in the locker room afterwards.
I think he's fine. He's good.
He's good to go.

Speaker 4 I have a quick stat for you on Joe Burrow's greatness, and we'll talk about the Chiefs real quick.

Speaker 4 Joe Burrow, the second quarterback all time to go 450 yards, four touchdowns, back-to-back weeks. The other quarterback?

Speaker 4 Tua. No, not Tua.
Come on. You were doing that the last few weeks.

Speaker 4 Patrick Mahomes. Jameis Winston.
Okay.

Speaker 4 So, that is rarefied air. Legends of Joe Burrow one of one.
One of them. Yes, Joe Burrow one of one.

Speaker 4 All right, so the Chiefs,

Speaker 4 they lose the one seed, most likely.

Speaker 4 The The Titans now just have to beat the Texans week 18 to seal the one seed, because remember, the Titans kicked the shit out of the Chiefs before the Chiefs went on their big long winning streak.

Speaker 4 There's two ways to look at this. One,

Speaker 4 the optimistic way. Choose your own adventure, Chiefs, fans.
Oh, well, we needed one of these games before the playoffs. We can get things right.
This is okay. It's still, AFC is still our territory.

Speaker 4 Two, this is the defense. This is the real Chiefs' defense.
And it's not them playing Jordan Love or Daniel Jones.

Speaker 4 You know, they had some good games against some good quarterbacks, but this is the real Chiefs' defense, and oh yeah, it's a big liability still, because when you get in a shootout, it's not Patrick Mahomes is incredible, but when you get in a shootout, it becomes so much more of a coin-flip game.

Speaker 4 So their defense was ⁇ it left a little bit to be desired today, especially with Sorensen. Sorensen,

Speaker 4 Sorensen was the guy that was highlighted as being the biggest liability, maybe

Speaker 4 of any starting defensive back in the NFL for like the first six games. And then he started playing really, really well.

Speaker 4 This was back to him being like, okay, that's the old Sorensen that we all remember.

Speaker 4 I don't think that he's either one of those two guys. I feel like he's probably somewhere in the middle.

Speaker 4 And I don't think that the Chiefs are going to run into offenses that are quite as good as the Bengals. Well, it could be the Bengals again.

Speaker 4 It could be the Bengals again, in which case they might be in for, that's going to be an issue. But you know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 4 when you get in a a game like this, and it was a crazy back and forth game, it felt like the Chiefs were going to cruise in the first half, but the Bengals, Joe Burrow, Moxie, everything, they just don't give up.

Speaker 4 But when you get into a shootout like this, you basically,

Speaker 4 it feels like it's almost up to chance, like who has the ball last kind of situation. Because I think if the Bengals, if the Chiefs

Speaker 4 had let the Bengals score a touchdown there with like a minute and 40 left, I think that game goes to overtime where the Chiefs get a two-point conversion.

Speaker 4 Too much time in the clock for Patrick Mahomes. Right.
You know what I mean? So it's totally.

Speaker 4 The way that it worked out at the end was it was such a comedy of errors that I don't think either coach had a full grasp of how the end of that game was going to shake out.

Speaker 4 They just kind of had to roll with the punches in the way that things were called at the end. Right.

Speaker 4 And so, yeah, if they had scored earlier, if they had done the thing that, by the way, that Utah should have done to Ohio State

Speaker 4 and let the guys score.

Speaker 4 If they just let them score, then yeah, I would take Patrick Mahomes with the ball in his hand to go down and try to tie the game. Oh, one last thing about the Bengals, though.
They've got a kicker.

Speaker 4 Yeah. That's the thing.
Evan McPherson. Evan McPherson, I think, is like a legit star kicker.
I think he's going to be one of the best guys in the league for a pretty long time. That dude is,

Speaker 4 he's pretty clutch. Yeah, so Bengals fans, enjoy it.

Speaker 4 This is a hell of a Monday for you. You clinched the AFC North.
You have a team that...

Speaker 4 Like I said, I don't know. The Bengals' defense at times leaves a little bit to desired, and they have had times where their offense is not...
Like,

Speaker 4 the Bengals still lost to the Bears this season, which seems crazy to just say.

Speaker 4 And they lost to the Jets. So they've had a couple games where it hasn't looked great.
But I also think they have

Speaker 4 that ceiling now that you can, if you're a Bengals fan, you're going into every single playoff game being like, we have a chance. We absolutely have a chance.

Speaker 4 The Bengals uniforms look so cool when their team is good. They look so awful when the team is bad.
Or maybe they don't look awful.

Speaker 4 I'm going to correct myself on that. I think when the Bengals are bad, I see them in those uniforms.
I just get sad because I think of how cool they would be if it was an awesome team.

Speaker 4 They have top top five helmet in the NFL. Yeah, and they were wearing the black pants today, the orange tops today, which somehow

Speaker 4 I think their jerseys got oranger. I think that's the change that they made in the offseason.
They just said we're going to make it slightly more orange.

Speaker 4 And then when you have the black pants with that, and then that helmet, it doesn't get much better. No.
Especially when the team's good offensively. Fuck yeah.
Yes. Feed it to me.

Speaker 4 All right. Next game.
This one was probably the biggest drama show,

Speaker 4 big drama show to quote Triple G. The Bucs 28, the Jets 24, Antonio Brown.

Speaker 4 So last week he said

Speaker 4 he's not about the drama. And then we defended him because he's clearly a media creation against him, all these lists of things that he's done, the transgressions.

Speaker 4 This week he decided after not getting the ball enough that he was going to rip off his jersey, his shirt, and leave MetLife Stadium in the middle of the third quarter in the middle of a play.

Speaker 4 Like the play clock was going on behind him, and it was, I've never seen anything like it. It's incredible.
He got cut right after.

Speaker 4 Bruce Arians, I kind of wanted Bruce Arians to just get in front of the media and being like, Antonio Brown's still on the team. He helps us win.

Speaker 4 It would have been a hilarious move, but holy shit, what a show.

Speaker 4 So, first of all, how pissed do you think Julian Edelman is that he didn't figure out, hey, maybe I should retire during a game and take my shirt off and then just have pictures of him be spread like wild

Speaker 4 across the internet.

Speaker 4 Secondly, he's going gremlin mode now, big cat.

Speaker 4 So I feel like we should go gremlin mode on the media. I don't know what gremlin mode is.
Don't feed you. Yeah.
Don't get you wet. Just gremlin mode.
We're going gremlin mode on the media.

Speaker 4 Listen, between January and gremlin mode, you better watch out.

Speaker 4 It would have been very funny if that was a design play.

Speaker 4 You know, like a bunch of high school teams always run that play in basketball where one guy gets on hands and knees and starts barking like a dog.

Speaker 4 Antonio Brown retiring during a play was actually a decoy.

Speaker 4 That would have been a sick play. It was so crazy.
We were watching it in the gambling cave and we didn't have the sound on to that game because why would we? But

Speaker 4 we thought it was pregame. It was like a pre-game video they were rolling of Antonio Brown dancing in the end zone.
And then we realized, wait, the play clock is behind him and it's running.

Speaker 4 This just happened.

Speaker 4 It's fucking crazy.

Speaker 4 The whole thing.

Speaker 4 Also, shout out all the doctors on Twitter who have successfully diagnosed Antonio Brown with CTE, something that we still, the best doctors and scientists in the world can't do in a living human, but they've been able to do it over Twitter.

Speaker 4 They know, but yet they've watched him on Instagram Live.

Speaker 4 How is that?

Speaker 4 It's way worse to be like, I think Antonio Brown has CTE than just saying, I think Antonio Brown might be an asshole. Yeah, well,

Speaker 4 that's a normal thing to say. I think Antonio Brown might be an asshole.
He studies out. You can also say, like, Antonio Brown doesn't seem well.
He doesn't seem like he's in a good headspace.

Speaker 4 I don't know if that's just his personality or if there's something else going on, but to make the jump to CTE, that's something that probably you shouldn't do because I've actually seen the effect that it has on players.

Speaker 4 And just people that I've been around that have had head injuries and have played contact sports. They think now that everything that they do wrong, they forget one thing.

Speaker 4 They're like, oh my God, that's CTE because people are diagnosing it just like off the top of their heads at people.

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 4 He might have, he seems like a guy that probably has some

Speaker 4 personality issues, maybe bipolar. I don't want to.

Speaker 4 No, don't diagnose anything. That's the thing.
I don't want to diagnose.

Speaker 4 We're not doctors, and people on Twitter aren't doctors. And people being like, oh, he's clearly showing signs of CTE.
Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 4 You watched Will Smith with an accent, and you now can diagnose CTE over Twitter? Tell the truth. Tell the truth.
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 This is an aside thing because clearly

Speaker 4 we've known this for a while that he's an eccentric at best and maybe something wrong at worst, but I'm not going to fucking diagnose someone over Twitter who I watch play football because I'm not a fucking doctor.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 bring it back to Gremlin mode real quick. Yeah.
At the media, allow me to go gremlin mode on them.

Speaker 4 Antonio Brown quit. on his team, quit your words, not mine.

Speaker 4 Seems like he helped his team win because they were getting the shit kicked out of him by the Jets, which typically happens to good teams, by the way. The Jets just, they fucking smoke good teams.

Speaker 4 I don't know what it is about them. They just get up.

Speaker 4 What the Jets do is every like three or four weeks, they're like, you know what? This week we're going to play well. Yeah, so basically Antonio Brown, by walking out on his team, helping them win.

Speaker 4 He's like Batman when he flies away with a big nuclear bomb and saves Gotham.

Speaker 4 Well, do you think it also might have been, did Antonio Brown call the fourth and two and a half yards QB sneak, which Robert Sala, Billy, I mean, that was

Speaker 4 the longest QB sneak I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 I actually like him going for it, but did he think that it was inches? The plays designed that there was a sweep with Braxton Berrios, who had an amazing game.

Speaker 4 So they wanted to give Berrios the sweep, but the way that play is designed, there's an option for the quarterback to sneak it, and usually they run it close to the goal line, but no one communicated to Zach that we're definitely giving the sweep, and that's why you have to give it to Braxton Berrios, who was bawling out and needs to be re-signed so Zach Wilson saw the defensive front that would tell him to go take the sneak but two yards no one told him that he was two yards it was so it was a baffling move because it was so far it wasn't you know like the fourth and inches is fourth and inches but this was fourth and two and maybe even two and a half but that the jets played scrappy and Zach Wilson played well like he did he played well he they didn't score in the last four drives but he played well I'm gonna defend the Jets here.

Speaker 4 I'm going to defend Eccles because he's catching some shit because he asked Tom Brady to sign a game ball for him afterwards on the field. I get why people might be upset about that.

Speaker 4 I think you should be allowed to do that as long as he's not a quarterback in the division. He's no longer on the Patriots.
You're never going to see him again. You're never going to see him again.

Speaker 4 He's on the Bucs, not really a rival to you anymore. Jets Super Bowl.
When are you going to get the chance to do this? The Bucks Super Bowl next year? The Bucks Super Bowl? Possibly.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but you probably wouldn't want to do it then. Yeah, this is the last time you'll be able to get him to sign a ball without confetti falling down around you because you just beat him.

Speaker 4 It's also, if you have a chance to play against Tom Brady, you're going to probably tell your kids forever that you played against Tom Brady.

Speaker 4 That's a normal human thing. That was the pick he caught off him.
Oh. So that's why he was getting a lot of people.
That's even cool. Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 4 I intercepted this off you, Tom. Will you sign it? Yeah.
That actually flipped. You know what? Now it's completely flipped.

Speaker 4 Now it's like, wow, Tom Brady is a real cuck for signing the ball that he threw as an interception. Yes, yes.

Speaker 4 We also have one other thing with Antonio Brown. So the Jets played hard.
I mean, I actually thought Zach Wilson looked okay.

Speaker 4 It was, he's electric. Yeah.
It was electric all around. Electric until the I mean, he didn't score what, like,

Speaker 4 I'm viewing it from Hank Live Bet the Bucks, and I did it with him, and he just kept on repeating, it's Zach Wilson, it's Zach Wilson, it's Zach Wilson.

Speaker 4 And, like, those last four drives, they just had to keep punting. So, but he was good.

Speaker 4 Like, if you watch that game, you feel encouraged by Zach Wilson. Absolutely.
Right? The future. Yeah.
Antonio Brown, the incentives, is a wrinkle that I don't know if you saw going around.

Speaker 4 Yes, so he left almost a million dollars on the table, potentially. Eight catches for 333,333.
He was eight catches away? Yes. Okay.

Speaker 4 Eight catches, 55 receiving yards, one receiving touchdown, $333,333 each. So that might have been why he was so mad.
But he still had another game to get. He had a game and a half.
Yeah, but he was

Speaker 4 actually heard that somebody wanted to get him the ball more, and the plan was to get him the ball more but he still flipped out about something you there's no way to like look into the mind of antonio brown and figure out why he flipped out yeah and personally i've been afflicted because i had an insane uh touchdown prop parlay and everything hit except antonio brown because he left the game also he missed games because of his covet card so it's kind of not really all of the coaches fault do you think do you think like the fake vaccine is actually bad for your mental state the fake card yeah like faking getting it is actually bad no No, I actually think

Speaker 4 that. Antonio Brown wasn't flipping out like this until he got the shot, right?

Speaker 4 Got Billy going down the rabbit hole. I love it.
Yeah, he actually said he's big mad. He said, yeah, I'm big mad.
Making a difference. That's what the M, the A, and the D say.
Oh, nice.

Speaker 4 So he's gremlin mode, and he's making a difference.

Speaker 4 It was crazy. We'll never see anything like that.
It was great. He rage quit.
I've never seen a player like. Vantae Davis quit, but he quit at halftime, and he just retired.

Speaker 4 He was like, you know what? Game's not for me anymore. It's not worth it.
I'm out.

Speaker 4 And Tony Bray, it could have been something as slight as a coach being like, hey, I want you to line up in the slot as opposed to as an ex-receiver on this next play. And he'd be like, that's it.

Speaker 4 Take my gloves, take my shirt, take my shoulder pads, I'm out.

Speaker 4 I'm going to say something that's going to sound crazy, but I still think there's like a 5% chance he might go back to the Bucs. Because Tom Brady would be like, Bruce,

Speaker 4 he is the only way we're going to win another Super Bowl, and I'm so addicted to winning that I don't care I actually like what Tom Brady did after the game

Speaker 4 he played it pretty low-key, but he was he was saying you know, they were asking him

Speaker 4 How did you find out that Antonio Brown left? Has there been any communication with that sort of thing? And he just goes and this is why I brought up the mental thing earlier.

Speaker 4 He just said we're all you know trying to get Antonio the help that he needs and that he's

Speaker 4 Hank could probably pull it up or tell me because I'm sure that you're much more into what Tom Brady has been saying word for word than I am.

Speaker 4 But he basically said we need to support Tom Brady or we need to support Antonio Brown. We need to make sure that he's doing well.

Speaker 4 And everybody out there, just be nice to him and try to help him out if you can. Okay, so we'll be nice.
And don't say that he has CTE if you haven't gone to medical school for like 15 years.

Speaker 4 I will say one last thing, Gremlin Mode, because I just thought of this analogy. You remember and remember the Titans? Ryan Gosling takes himself out, his team wins.

Speaker 4 Everybody's like, wow, Ryan Gosling, great player, great teammate. Antonio Brown takes himself out, his team wins.
Yep. And we're all

Speaker 4 throwing sticks and stones at him. Yep, that's true.
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Speaker 4 I add one last thing. Before we get to, we have the guy who picked up Antonio Brown after the game, Danny Boy Hustle Hard.

Speaker 4 Great name.

Speaker 4 I just wanted to give a shout out. I still believe that Mike Tomlin doesn't get enough credit for keeping that locker room together with Big Ben, Antonio Brown, and L'Avion Bell for nine years.

Speaker 4 So I just want to shout out Mike Tomlin because I was hard on Mike Tomlin at times, but he is probably the, he should get coach of the year retroactively for that entire stretch.

Speaker 4 And also, Big Ben should get injuries added to his career from when he had to deal with those guys. Yes.
His headaches. Well, no.
Big Ben is hard to deal with, too. No, I know.

Speaker 4 But I'd also like it to go the other way for Big Ben, for him dealing with Antonio Brown, to also have migraines added to his list of ailments that he's had.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I mean, Mike Tomlin deserves credit for dealing with Big Ben, who is a dog that pretends that he's hurt every other day and he has to take it to the vet.

Speaker 4 Okay, so let's talk to Danny Boy Hustle Hard, who picked up Antonio Brown. This is a pardon my take exclusive.

Speaker 4 Find you another podcast that will get this type of interview right after a big NFL incident.

Speaker 4 Okay, we now have a very special guest on. It is Danny Boy Hustle Hard.

Speaker 4 He is famous as of now on this show. People know him.
Because he hustles hard.

Speaker 4 He hustles hard, but he is the guy who picked up Antonio Brown from MetLife Stadium after Antonio Brown left in the middle of the game,

Speaker 4 ripped off his jersey, walked out, left. So, Danny Boy,

Speaker 4 we're not going to ask you to tell us everything that Antonio Brown was saying, but can you at least

Speaker 4 explain to us how this all went down? Like, you get the call.

Speaker 4 Just take us from there. Like, do you get the call? Yeah,

Speaker 9 me and A.B. are close.
A lot of people don't know that because I just don't, you know, he doesn't really come to town that much, but

Speaker 9 I got the call from somebody close to him, which is one of my close friends, Jared, who has huge memorabilia.

Speaker 9 He does a lot of memorabilia, and he manages a couple of guys, but he's very close with A.B.

Speaker 9 He's close with Odell.

Speaker 9 He's actually the behind-the-scenes scenes guy. He's like the glue that nobody knows.
He has no social media or nothing. Right.

Speaker 4 So you get the call for him. Yeah, and what does he say?

Speaker 9 So basically, I call Jared because I'm a fucking gambler. I'm gambling on this fucking game.

Speaker 4 And

Speaker 9 I got the book. So I'm looking at the score and I'm like, what, bro, what the fuck's going on? So then I see A.B.
do that and I call Jared and I said, Jared, did you just fucking see what A.B.

Speaker 9 just did? And he's like, no, what happened? Because he lives Jared lives in Pennsylvania by Philly. So he wasn't, I guess he was tapped into like the Eagles game or whatever.
But

Speaker 9 basically, he didn't know. He saw it.
He starts fucking freaking out, flipping out like a maniac. He's like, oh my God, oh my God, I'll call you back.
I'll call you back. And then

Speaker 9 he calls me back. He's like, Danny, I need you to go straight to MetLife and grab AB, like right now.

Speaker 9 Go straight to the MetLife Stadium and go grab him.

Speaker 4 So you pull up. What do you tell the security when you're pulling up? Are you like, hey, you know, Antonio Brown just quit.

Speaker 9 I'm the guy that's supposed to be pulling pulling up how do you how do you get oh yeah yeah here's the here's the here's the here's the catch to this here's the catch so i me coming from my house it was taking me a little long people were taking pictures so this fucking lunatic jumps into a fucking a state trooper car and the guy flies him to fucking nork airport to get a to get a uh a tampa a tampa um flight you know i'm saying right

Speaker 9 He gets to Nork Airport and he's like,

Speaker 9 nah, fuck that. And now me and him are going back and forth on text and

Speaker 9 he's telling me what's going on. So I fly to Nork Airport and he hits me up on FaceTime and he's like, yo, man, I can't get on this flight, man.
You know, they're taking pictures of video, man.

Speaker 9 Fuck that. Yo, come pick me up.
We turn it up.

Speaker 4 And I'm like,

Speaker 9 this kid's fucking shot the fuck out. This kid's really shot out, bro.
There's something fucking wrong with this kid.

Speaker 9 So he's fucking terminal C level two. He's fucking bugging out.

Speaker 9 He's laughing. Like, I, this fucking guy's laughing like, like, like, he just fucking scored nine touchdowns during the game.
Like, I couldn't believe what the fuck happened.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 9 I'm like, yo, AB, what up? And it was just, he got in the car and we were gone. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 So, what, so when he's in the car, is he just like, yo, that was pretty crazy, or was he just, it was just normal, you know, regular day? Like, yeah,

Speaker 4 bro.

Speaker 9 If you would have, if you would have seen him, you would have thought his fucking girl just gave birth to a fucking baby. Like, like,

Speaker 9 he was in such an unhappy mood, but but you could tell, like, he was, like, in a bad, not a bad mood, but maybe he was like a little disappointed, but he was trying not to let it get to him.

Speaker 4 Well, it's got to be nice to quit your job, like, no matter what, it's cool to quit your job. Best funny.
Well, yeah, here's the deal.

Speaker 9 He wasn't really signed. Yeah, he's not signed for like a fucking 30, 40 million dollar contract.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 So, I mean, AB's got money, so he really doesn't care about, you know, whatever, whatever's going on, you know, whatever he's signed for, whatever. But, um, so not that he doesn't care about it.

Speaker 9 I don't want to say he doesn't care about it, but it's more like

Speaker 9 he really didn't give a fuck, to be honest with you. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 So when he got in the car, I more or less, I flew to the airport because I know AB personally, and I know he's a fucking lunatic, and I don't want him getting locked up at the airport.

Speaker 9 So I fucking, I was, I was already on my way over there, bro.

Speaker 4 So you pick him up, you get him in the car. He seems to be in a pretty happy mood.

Speaker 4 Did he give you any indication whatsoever of what it was that made him make the decision to just throw his shirt and his gloves?

Speaker 9 Well, here's the deal. They were down.
I'll be honest with you. They were down 24 to 10 or whatever the score was.
And he wasn't getting the ball. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 So, and what really set him off, I think the coach or somebody on the sideline, yeah, it was a coach said something to him, and that really just flipped his fucking top. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 That's 100% fact.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 9 I don't know if the coach said he was going to bench him. I don't know what was said because I wasn't there, but I know that something was said, and that just made him flip his top.

Speaker 9 Because if you watch the game, Gronk was getting the ball the whole time.

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, that's true.

Speaker 4 I guess my last question is, so he got cut like right after the game. Was he in your car when he got officially cut? Or did he know like this is it? This is not?

Speaker 9 He was in my car the whole time after I picked him up. Me and him were in the car for like, I don't know, like a good two hours.
We were just driving around, went to the city.

Speaker 9 You know what I'm saying? Just he just, you know, went to the city and just try to get that shit off his mind.

Speaker 9 And I mean, not that it was going to to get off his mind right away, but you know, try to get that shit off his mind and put him in a better place. And me and AB, like, we fuck with each other.

Speaker 9 So, I mean,

Speaker 9 he kept saying he was FaceTime and all his people, like, yo, man, Danny picked me up. You know, damn, man, he always puts me in a better mood and shit, man.
Fuck these folks. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 But he, he, he, um, you know, he put a post up in the car. He was even asking me, like, yo, what's like, what you want me to, is it a good picture? Is that a good picture?

Speaker 9 Then he's like, and he wanted, yo, he wanted to go on Instagram live.

Speaker 4 and that i

Speaker 9 was like no yes no shot bro so instagram live and then you know and then his manager was on the phone was like don't do that you know his manager was like don't even attempt to do that and then he was like nah i'm just fucking around i ain't doing that you know what i'm saying but so is it is he going back to florida tonight or is he chilling in new york uh he is chilling bro chilling in new york i don't know what his plans are but he he's in new york he's he's in new york now um i don't know what his plans are we're gonna do dinner probably a little later and uh nice see what's going on

Speaker 4 Now, I lied. I have one last question.
This is actually a very important question because we went through the list of things that Antonio Brown, a Steelers fan, made a list of like his transgressions.

Speaker 4 And there was a very important one that was highlighted when he farted on his doctor. You've driven him around before.
Has he ever farted in the car with the windows up?

Speaker 9 I'll tell you what, bro. I drive a lot of these guys, and, you know, they're healthy guys, right? And

Speaker 9 the healthier that you are the nastier the fucking fart smells

Speaker 4 it's a fact so

Speaker 9 it's a fact it is a fact bro bro listen saquan is my brother bro shep is my brother bro let me tell you something about sterling shepherd you do not want to be in the car with that man

Speaker 4 it's like a fucking bro it's like bro it's like chemical warfare it's probably worse than covid it's worse bro it's worse wait i saw i saw your i saw on your profile on instagram that one of the guys that you drive around is brooks kepka He's a friend of ours.

Speaker 4 I know that Brooks is a very healthy guy, too. Has he ever farred in the car?

Speaker 9 Brooks has definitely 1,000% farred in the car. And it's funny you bring Brooks up because me and him were on text the whole time as the shit was going on.
And he's like, Danny, no shot.

Speaker 9 You got AB in the car. No shot.
No shot. He's like, I'll bet you $1,000 he's not getting on that flight.
And I was like, yep, you won, bro. Me and Brooks are really, really close.

Speaker 4 That's my dog. Yeah, he's about to.
I also saw a tweet from Brooks saying about this same time that he guarantees that A.B. is going to fight a Paul brother at some point.
Did A.B.

Speaker 4 mention anything about doing celebrity boxing?

Speaker 9 I don't know, man. I don't know what goes through A.B.'s head, bro.

Speaker 9 We're supposed to go out to a fancy restaurant that we might show up at fucking Subway for a fucking ham salami and cheese sandwich, bro.

Speaker 4 That's good. Come by the studio if you guys don't have anything else going on.
Yeah. We're going to be here all night.
Nah, A.B.

Speaker 9 is just,

Speaker 9 he's a different. So A.B.
is a different kind of guy, but he's one of the greatest people you ever want to know because he's fucking hilarious. And if he likes you, he's a loyal person.

Speaker 9 He's just like Odell. Same thing.
Odell gets a bad rap, but Odell is one of the fucking most genuine.

Speaker 9 I could call him right now and get 100 grand in two seconds.

Speaker 4 That's the kind of guy he is. Oh, hard.
Yeah. Yeah.
Danny, thank you very much for calling in. We appreciate it.

Speaker 4 Stay safe.

Speaker 4 Yes, stay safe out there with the chemical warfare in your car.

Speaker 9 Thank you, fellas. I'll see you guys later, bro.

Speaker 4 All right. See you, man.
Later, man.

Speaker 4 Thank you to Danny Boy Hustle Hard.

Speaker 4 And I don't know where the Antonio

Speaker 4 never going to play again in the NFL, correct?

Speaker 4 I don't know. I don't think you understand how quickly Antonio Brown goes through his money.
Yeah, but

Speaker 4 there's probably other teams, I think. Teams, this is...

Speaker 4 It will be hard for a team to sell this. Now that Al Davis is no longer with us, it's going to be tough.
I'm not saying that he doesn't want to play again in the NFL. He probably will.

Speaker 4 I I don't know if another team is going to say, let's take another chance on Antonio Brown.

Speaker 4 He's quit in the middle of a game. Oh, I know.
I'm trying to think. There's probably one coach out there that would do it.
I feel like maybe Jerry Jones.

Speaker 4 The Saints might take a chance on a guy like that. Well, not Michael Thomas.
Not this year.

Speaker 4 But they need somebody to fill the mic. Yeah, at least Antonio Brown

Speaker 4 had the decency to quit in front of everyone's face, unlike Michael Thomas. Where has he been? That was mean.
Yeah. But

Speaker 4 have we ever heard anything? He's still injured. He's still injured.
He's still injured.

Speaker 4 All right. Next up, Eagles, Washington football team.
The Washington football team is eliminated. The Eagles keep rolling.

Speaker 4 And also, Raoul John, the railing, collapsed and almost killed Jalen Hurts after the game, which, if you haven't seen this video,

Speaker 4 he actually could have gotten very hurt.

Speaker 4 It was a bunch of Eagles fans trying to give a high five to Jalen Hurts, and the entire side of the stands fell, and they all fell into the field like right where Jalen Hurts was standing.

Speaker 4 Let this be a lesson. FedEx Field is booby-trapped for opposing fans because we know that there are not going to be a lot of Washington football team fans there.

Speaker 4 So we're like, hey, you know what they don't know is this stadium is actually not tested to have a shitload of very enthusiastic fans in the front of it.

Speaker 4 And so they just, they leaned over the railing, they fell.

Speaker 4 Jalen Hurts got real lucky because if it had landed on his leg or his knee, just maybe like two, three feet closer, probably could have broken his legs. It would have been really bad.

Speaker 4 That would have been an all-time moment in Washington football stadium history.

Speaker 4 Just when you thought the stadium injuries were limited to on the field, you can also get dinged up trying to walk after you've beaten us into the tunnel.

Speaker 4 There was a very funny fan, though, that was wearing, like, he was wearing the Eagles jersey and a helmet. He had his helmet on, and then afterwards, he hung out around Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 4 And this actually, this made me more confident in my take that I think that Jalen Hurts could be the next starting quarterback in Philadelphia, like long-term.

Speaker 4 The way that he handled that was pretty crazy. He was hanging out.
He's like, yeah, let's get some pictures. Here are my gloves.
He wasn't flustered. He wasn't trying to get out of there.

Speaker 4 He played it very cool. I respect Jalen Hurts for that, for dealing with my shitty stadium.
I mean, at least there was no sewage this game.

Speaker 4 No sewage leaked onto the fans, and no players got killed, even though they could have. But

Speaker 4 it was a bad game as a Washington football team fan.

Speaker 4 Just because I was sad. I was sad because at halftime, I thought, you know, I'm going to look up the probability of us getting to the offs if we win this game.
And they weren't that bad.

Speaker 4 If the Washington football team had won this game, we basically needed two games to break our way, one for the rest of the day, and then one the following week, and we would have been in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 And so then I allowed myself to get my hopes up for about 30 seconds, and then we just kind of fell apart in the second half. But it's probably better off that we don't win this game anyways.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the blueprint fell apart when I remember when you were, and the Washington football team did have a stretch there.

Speaker 4 They're playing really good football, that four-game winning streak, and you're like,

Speaker 4 I've mapped it out. We just got to beat the Eagles twice, and that didn't happen.
And that's where it all fell apart. It falls apart in your own division.
The Eagles, though,

Speaker 4 Nick Siriani deserves so much credit. He's got the most wins of any rookie head coach this year.
They started 3-6. Everyone had written them off, myself included.

Speaker 4 They end up 6-1 on that last stretch, last seven games. Now, they didn't play the best teams.
I think there were two wins against, oh, no, they lost the Giants, excuse me. But

Speaker 4 they played the Washington football team twice. I think they played the Jets in there.
So it doesn't matter, though. They have a

Speaker 4 set

Speaker 4 way to go about the game.

Speaker 4 They run the ball. They play good defense.
They've gone 11 straight games rushing for over 100 yards. I just think he deserves a ton of credit because we made fun of him.

Speaker 4 A lot of people made fun of him. And he's done a really good job as a first-year head coach.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I think what a lot of coaches do is they have their their formula for success and they try to use it on a team regardless of the players and the personnel that they have on the team.

Speaker 4 I think Siriani started to do that a little at the beginning of the year.

Speaker 4 And then he kind of did more of the judo thing later where he just let the team's momentum carry him where it was going and just kind of manage his team in terms of what they're already good at and to try to optimize that and to just kind of go along with that.

Speaker 4 Don't try to push them in any direction. Don't try to make them fold into a blueprint.
Now they're going to figure out an identity of their own.

Speaker 4 I like this Eagles team. Especially now that they've got their offensive line cooking.
I love them.

Speaker 4 It sounds very easy, but there are so many coaches that just don't do that. We're like, okay, here's our strength.
Let's play to our strengths.

Speaker 4 Instead of me trying to run my system all the time, why don't I just play to my team's strengths, my quarterback strengths, the fact that we have a great offensive line and defensive line, and this is what you get.

Speaker 4 And the Eagles are, I think if they win, they're in, but I think they have like a 90% chance regardless. So

Speaker 4 it's looking looking pretty good like they're going to get into the playoffs. And I don't think anyone expected that when they were three and six.
And guess what?

Speaker 4 They also have three first-round picks, which is crazy. Pretty good.
Like a playoff team to have three first-round picks, that's pretty damn good.

Speaker 4 So I want to applaud part of the process for the Washington football team because they started the season with by far, by far, the 32nd overall ranked third-down defense.

Speaker 4 Remember, it was like week seven, and we were debating which team has the worst third down. I think Jerry was saying the Steelers have by far the worst third-down defense in the NFL.

Speaker 4 I was like, no, no, my friend, it's the football team. We looked it up, and I think the football team's percentage was like 14 points worse than the Steelers who were in 31st place.

Speaker 4 Over the course of the year,

Speaker 4 it gives me great pleasure to announce the Washington football team now has the 31st ranked third-down defense in the NFL. But that's a huge gap that they made up between

Speaker 4 32nd and 31st. So congratulations, Jack Del Rio figured it out.

Speaker 4 I think the Washington football team have

Speaker 4 the foundation, and this is going to hurt you, PFT, but it's the quarterback. They need a quarterback.
Yeah. Like Taylor Heineke is fun, but if they had a real quarterback, that's a real team.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 4 They need a quarterback and a name. Those are two pretty important things to a football franchise.

Speaker 4 It's kind of grown on me.

Speaker 4 They're going to change it probably in like three weeks, I'm sure, and everyone's going to hate it for a week, and and then we'll get used to it, and then it'll just be a fine regular name, and we'll go 500 again next year and rinse and repeat.

Speaker 4 Boom. There it is, and you got a huge week 18 game against the Giants that you should win.
God damn.

Speaker 4 We should go back to David Buster. Am I going to watch that game? I think I have to.
No, you're going to do what we did today

Speaker 4 with the Bears and Giants game. We watched the first quarter, and then we put it on a laptop because I was like,

Speaker 4 I'm not going to make everyone.

Speaker 4 There's six TVs. I'm not going to make everyone watch the Bears and the Giants on one of the six TVs.

Speaker 4 Also, because you don't want to beat the Giants that badly because you don't even get the normal joy out of that. Yeah.
Yeah. You better hope Daniel Jones doesn't play.
Yeah, well, he's not going to.

Speaker 4 Is it going to be Jake Fromm? They told me that Jake Fromm was going to get some reps this week. No, Mike Lennon.
We'll get to that. Unbelievably bad quarterbacking performance.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 The Rams-Ravens. Jake, you don't even have to worry about this.
This game's over. Packers, Vikings is done, Zoe.
Although Sean Mannion just threw a touchdown pass. So credit to him.

Speaker 4 Keep that ball. Maybe have the cornerback sign it.
Just be like, I threw a touchdown pass on your ass.

Speaker 4 Billy, you see one of the Jets go into the stands and try to rip the ball out of the hands of like a five-year-old? I was trying to figure out what was going on.

Speaker 4 I'm telling you what's going on with it: is that a five-year-old got gifted a touchdown ball and they didn't want it?

Speaker 4 And then, no, then a player from the Jets leapt into the stands, tried to grab it out of the five-year-old's hands.

Speaker 4 The best part is the five-year-old has tremendous ball security, and the Jets player couldn't even strip a five-year-old. Oh, no.
Was his defensive player? I think it was. It was a bad look.
Oh, no.

Speaker 4 That's really bad look.

Speaker 4 All right. Rams-Ravens.
Rams-Ravens.

Speaker 4 This game, even though the Rams won, this is like the type of game that if you watched, you're like, oh, that's why I would be nervous about the Rams because Matt Stafford had a terrible first half.

Speaker 4 He had three turnovers. He was awesome at the end of the game.
I think he went like 14 for 14 down the stretch. But you can't do that if you're playing against a real playoff team in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 You can't be like, oh, let me have a three-turnover first half and hope we survive. It was a very Jameis-like interception.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And the fumble. Just found the linebacker, had it returned about like six yards for a touchdown.
The fumble was bad.

Speaker 4 Hollywood Brown played pretty bad. Matter of fact, I feel like this entire offseason, we should take away Hollywood's nickname.
It should last until next, maybe next preseason.

Speaker 4 We'll give it back to him if he makes a good catch because this was a stinker of a game. I like it.
Yeah, but

Speaker 4 this game, even though the Rams won and they deserve credit for gutting out a win, and

Speaker 4 Odell Beckham is absolutely a game changer. That catch he made on fourth and five when he had a defender draped all over him, and Matt Stafford threw it a million miles an hour.

Speaker 4 That was an insane catch.

Speaker 4 We've made our jokes about Odell Beckham, but he is an absolute difference maker. And I just watched that game.

Speaker 4 I was like, Rams, this is, you basically live and die with is Matt Stafford going to have, like, going to wake up and have a bad game?

Speaker 4 Is he going to wake up and just be Lions Matt Stafford versus what we saw for a few weeks this year with the Rams when he was like lighting the world on fire?

Speaker 4 So it's going to be a question of the matchup that the Rams get in the playoffs because there are a lot of teams in the NFC that I actually think their style kind of matches up pretty well against, where they can get away with being a little candy ass and being a little finesse, as Julian Endelman puts it.

Speaker 4 But there's a chance that they would have to play either the Eagles or the 49ers in the first round. I think the 49ers kick the shit out of them.
Well, Kyle Shannon

Speaker 4 and Sean McVay also just their style of play. I think the Eagles could kick the shit out of the Rams in the playoffs.
Yeah, I mean, it's just

Speaker 4 you watch them, and they have all the talent in the world. And Vaughn Miller, I think, had two sacks today, and their defense is playing well.

Speaker 4 But Matt Stafford, if he decides to, if he just wakes up on the wrong side of the bed, you're fucked. That's kind of what, that's kind of like the Matt Stafford.
You're just rolling the dice.

Speaker 4 And can he do it four games in a row to win a Super Bowl? I don't know. Maybe.
Yeah. Probably not.
Probably not.

Speaker 4 Probably not. But he's probably going to.
I think if he doesn't get matched up against one of those two teams, I don't know what the potential matchups do look like.

Speaker 4 There are a lot of teams that are higher seeded in the NFC that I think that the Rams match up better against than those at the lower.

Speaker 4 But it just comes down to like we've seen it a few times.

Speaker 4 You remember the Titans game where it's like if Matt Stafford's just going to decide today's the day I'm going to throw a pick six, you're going to lose in the playoffs. You just are.

Speaker 4 And it's just the Ravens have been decimated by injury. They've completely fallen off a cliff.
They've lost five straight. They went from eight and three to eight and eight.
And

Speaker 4 it's weird because the Ravens have a season where everything fell apart, but you you still are feeling good about the future because you have John Harbaugh and you have Lamar Jackson and you have a good core.

Speaker 4 And if guys just come back from injuries, you'll be okay.

Speaker 4 But it's got to be disappointing if you go back to, I don't know, early November when we all thought, oh, the Ravens are one of the teams in the AFC that absolutely can get to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 And spend zone for the Ravens fans out there,

Speaker 4 you figured out how to lose a game by one or two points that didn't come down to a two-point conversion on the end. And you have Tyler Huntley as your backup.

Speaker 4 So, Lamar Jackson, like, if you could do a lot worse. Like, that actually is a really great thing the Ravens found out that they feel comfortable going into next year that they have.

Speaker 4 He's what I was told RG3 would be for the Ravens. Yeah,

Speaker 4 he's the backup that can keep things together if Lamar Jackson goes out. He's also good.
Even though he hasn't won a ton of games. The funny thing is, I still think he's good.

Speaker 4 We're eyeball guys. Yes.
And the funny thing is, by having Tyler Huntley on your own team, he's probably the best scout team, Lamar Jackson of any other player in the NFL right now.

Speaker 4 So you got Lamar Jackson and his clone.

Speaker 4 Can some Ravens fan explain to me why I saw Lamar Jackson, they had trotted him out for practice and his ankle was just not okay.

Speaker 4 Their field turf was like yellow.

Speaker 4 No, it was like cardboard color. What was it? It was dirt.
I think it's the kind of grass they use on there.

Speaker 4 I feel like they grow mids. So

Speaker 4 around this time of year,

Speaker 4 it gets drier outside for the most part, not as much rain. But it looks so weird because it looked almost like field turf.
I thought maybe they were doing it as some competitive edge that you can see.

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 4 Can you try to find out for me? Have you seen that, Jake? It's fucking weird. Yeah, I don't see anything right now.
I'm Twitter searching Ravens Turf, Ravens Turf color. Ravens Practice Field.

Speaker 4 Practice Field.

Speaker 4 It was so bizarre.

Speaker 4 It was basically the boise blue turf, but just yellow. It was beige.
Yeah, beige. Other field turf.
It looked like Jeff D. Lowe hosting something.
Color. Yeah.
I'll keep looking. Okay, that's okay.

Speaker 4 It's not really an important thing.

Speaker 4 I was just upset when I saw it and it didn't have an answer. But Tyler Huntley, good backup.
You have him next year.

Speaker 4 I think he's an exclusive rights-free agent, so he'll definitely be signed to the ravens. He can't go anywhere else.
It'd be crazy to have him not come back. So you have a backup.
Good.

Speaker 4 Good job, Ravens.

Speaker 4 That's a nice thing you say about the Ravens right now. You have a backup.

Speaker 4 That's actually a big question, though,

Speaker 4 for Lamar. It's like if you can have somebody backing him up for whenever he turns an ankle or gets diarrhea, that's a pretty big asset.

Speaker 4 I feel like we've seen so many Ravens games over the last couple years where they resort to a third-string quarterback that comes in, like a Trace McSorley. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And having a guy that is locked in behind him, it's a luxury.

Speaker 4 I don't know the Ravens' roster front to back, so I don't know what they're going to be going for in the draft, but I do know it's deep, another deep wide receiver draft. The Ravens know that.

Speaker 4 But if they can get one game-changing guy, like if the Ravens had Jamar Chase, you know what I mean, or they had Justin Jefferson, if they had drafted a game-changing wide receiver in the first round, which there will be some this year, some even in the second round, I feel like that takes their whole offense to a different level.

Speaker 4 Right, but it's just what people have been saying about the Ravens for literally 15 years. I know, I know, I know, but I'm just, I'm just throwing it out.
Like, not even exaggeration.

Speaker 4 Every year for 15 years, Ravens fans are like, if we just get a wide receiver. Yeah, no, I know, I know, but I'm just, you know, do it, Ravens.
Finally, do it.

Speaker 4 Okay, next up, we have Raiders Colts. What a day for my Pinky.
The Colts lose at home.

Speaker 4 They now have to win week 18, which they will because they're playing the Jaguars. So they're going to be in the playoffs still.
But they lose the AFC South. They also lose seeding.

Speaker 4 They might end up being like the sixth or seventh seed now.

Speaker 4 The Raiders,

Speaker 4 Rich Besickia, like the Raiders have to be one of the top three best stories right now in terms of the NFL.

Speaker 4 The fact that they are in a win-and-get-in game against the Chargers in week 18, after John Gruden, after Henry Ruggs, after everything.

Speaker 4 They've lost a bunch of games.

Speaker 4 Three weeks ago, they were staring at six and seven, and it was the season was over. They've won three games in a row by two points or three points.
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 The Raiders deserve all the credit in the world. I don't know how you don't have Rich Basicia be the coach next year.
Yeah, you got to bring him back. Do it before.
You absolutely have to.

Speaker 4 Yeah, give it away. Do it before

Speaker 4 in the locker room, like they're giving a scholarship. Do it before the game.
Mark Davis is like, hey, coach, I just want you to sign this real quick.

Speaker 4 I guarantee you, if they do that, they win that game against the truck. Yes, they got to do that.
There's no other way.

Speaker 4 Think of all the small inches that you would gain in that game. As Al Pacino was doing, these inches are all around us.

Speaker 4 You would own every inch that was floating out there if you gave old Rich the contract acceptance. And he would sign on, like, he wouldn't even have to get his agent involved.
He would sign in blood.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, and Mark Davis would be like, all right, cool. That contract says that I get to pay you $50,000 a year.
Yeah, the only problem is everybody would just cry in the locker room. Yes.

Speaker 4 They'd get a little bit dehydrated. Derek Carr's mascara would be running all over his face.

Speaker 4 It would be a bad scene, but that's actually a brilliant thing that the Raiders should do because I don't think that you're going to find any coach out there that has the pulse of that locker room like Rich does.

Speaker 4 And he's got him on the cusp. Like, I hope they make this a Sunday night football game.
I assume they will. They got to, yeah.
Yeah.

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Speaker 4 I'm just calling it right now, week 18, Chargers at Raiders. That's fucking awesome.
Yeah, it's going to be great. And

Speaker 4 I was hoping that we'd get to see Sam Ellinger today. Obviously, the NFL felt a different way.
They saw the Ian Book performance.

Speaker 4 And not only did they say we're just going to ignore all the COVID stuff, but they also said, Okay, you don't even have to be totally recovered from COVID yet.

Speaker 4 As long as you just say that you're feeling better and that your name's not Ian Book, we will let you start in an NFL game. So Carson Wentz was like, yeah, I was sick.

Speaker 4 I swear to God, I'm feeling better. I'm good.
Come on back. And

Speaker 4 he played okay.

Speaker 4 He had that excellent touchdown pass to T.Y. Hilton.
He threw an absolute dime right between, I think it hit four Raiders' hands. It was so bad.
And this is why

Speaker 4 I've gone back and forth between being scared for my pinky and being like, I'm fine.

Speaker 4 Right now, I'm fine. Because this is Carson Wentz and he has played well.

Speaker 4 He's played, he's good this year, but he's had games where the real Carson Wentz shows up, kind of like Matt Stafford or like Jimmy Garoppolo.

Speaker 4 Are you going to win four games in a row with these guys playing like they're best without any hiccups? I don't buy it. I do not buy it.
And I think he's been pretty bad.

Speaker 4 He played well in

Speaker 4 that Arizona game, but he was bad in the Patriots game. He was bad today.

Speaker 4 And I know, obviously, he didn't throw any interceptions, but that was an interception that he threw that just happened to bounce off for everyone. Right.

Speaker 4 And he's not doing things that win them the games. And

Speaker 4 I just feel comfortable. I feel comfortable

Speaker 4 with my pinky knowing Carson Wentz can't string together four straight games where he's like incredible. No, it's not going to happen.
I think that your pinky is totally safe.

Speaker 4 I would say that it's way more likely that Matt Stafford could do it than Carson Wentz could do it. Absolutely.
But they're the guys.

Speaker 4 It's not like they're not good quarterbacks because Matt Stafford is a good quarterback and Carson Wentz has shown that he can be a good quarterback.

Speaker 4 It's just the consistency of, do you just know that they'll show up and they won't completely shit down their legs? And I don't think that that's, you can say that.

Speaker 4 I have a hypothesis about Carson Wentz. I'm checking up on the schedule right now to make sure that it's right.
But I feel like he plays better when he's slightly injured.

Speaker 4 A little bit. When

Speaker 4 he doesn't even have the internal belief in himself that he can do superhuman things, because that's kind of

Speaker 4 one of Carson Wentz's biggest problems is, like we say, he never thinks that a play is dead. He thinks he can escape out of anything.

Speaker 4 But if he knows that he's limited a little bit, then he knows that he can't escape out of anything. Then he makes smarter plays occasionally.
So I'm looking up to see

Speaker 4 when he had the two, the double sprained ankle. Yes.

Speaker 4 Was that against the Titans? Yes, I believe so. I think they lost

Speaker 4 16-50.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they lost both times to the Titans. So they lost 25, 16.

Speaker 4 Maybe two sprained ankles is too much. I think one sprained ankle is a perfect amount for Carson Wentz to play on.

Speaker 4 The last thing I had on this game is that I love Derek Carr to Hunter Renfro.

Speaker 4 It's rare. Hunter Renfro is not an elite.
Well, you could make the argument he's an elite receiver for what he does, but he's not, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 He's not a guy who's putting up insane out-of-this-world numbers like Jamar Chase, 266 yards.

Speaker 4 But Hunter Renfro, like when Derek Carr needs a big play, he's always there, and their connection is so lockstep, it's awesome to watch.

Speaker 4 It's similar to like a Brady and Edelman or a Rodgers and Devontae Adams. When guys have that with their receivers, or like Kelsey Mahomes, and you just know that they will always get that first down.

Speaker 4 And that happened on that last drive. He threw that, like Derek Carr threw that.
I think it was like a kind of a moon ball to Hunter Renfro that was perfect.

Speaker 4 And Hunter Renfro is always there to make a big catch.

Speaker 4 It just occurred to me. They kind of remind me of

Speaker 4 Harry and Marv from Home Alone. If you did a gritty reboot of it where they were in their 30s or late 20s, and then Marv would be Derek Carr with his hair.
Hunter Renfro's kind of balding.

Speaker 4 He's trying to make up for it with his beard.

Speaker 4 Listen, just Blake Bortles needs to... They actually need to sign Blake Bortles so that he can teach Hunter Renfro how to do the quick helmet-to-hat.

Speaker 4 Just shave his head.

Speaker 4 I guarantee if Rich Basecchia gets that contract extension, he could just be like, all right, boys, let's all shave our heads for solidarity with Rich. Right.
And then Derek, okay, Derek, you're good.

Speaker 4 Hunter, you go first, actually. Right.
Okay, yeah, Hunter's going to go first. And then they'll be like, whoop, got to run out of the field.
Games time.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's just, there's something about having a receiver that you know, like, big moment, they'll always be there. And they'll always get that first down.

Speaker 4 And that's just Hunter Renfro and Derek Carr. And Derek Carr, even though he had a couple picks, like, I don't know,

Speaker 4 he's slowly getting on that short list of guys that if he has a chance to get them in a field goal range or score a touchdown late, like, I actually trust him, which is crazy to say.

Speaker 4 I don't really trust him still. I know, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 It's crazy.

Speaker 4 He doesn't throw enough interceptions. No, because every single play that Derek Carr, Derek Carr is the king of like plays looking like they're just going to be a complete and utter like

Speaker 4 calamity. And then he sidesteps his way out of it and hits Hunter Redford.
And he runs with tremendous balance. He should have gotten sacked like four times on that last drive.
Yeah, he just

Speaker 4 throws a very pretty defense.

Speaker 4 Now I understand why Deshaun Jackson wanted to play with Derek Carr. That's the perfect quarterback for Deshaun Jackson.
Yes.

Speaker 4 And I know that he hasn't caught those 70-yard passes, but I know that he has been open once or twice. Derek Carr's almost.
Is he not hurt? Not yet because he hasn't made his catch yet.

Speaker 4 Oh, I thought he got to hurt. Give him after the touchdown.
I just always assumed he was hurt.

Speaker 4 No, he's going to catch a touchdown against the Chargers, and it's going to be 82 yards, and then he's going to have a sprained ankle because he's actually going to get tackled at the one

Speaker 4 because he's going to Dougie at the two,

Speaker 4 and then get lit up, and then he's out for the season.

Speaker 4 You're probably right.

Speaker 4 I hope that happens.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so week 18, Raiders, Chargers, going to be awesome.

Speaker 4 All right, Titans, Dolphins. Jake, it's over.
It was a great run. It was a great run, but...
Can't play Ian Book every week.

Speaker 4 This might sound a little hindsight. The only reason I made that prediction of 500 by Christmas was simply because of the schedule.
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 And they finally had a tough game. The Dolphins had quite the schedule there because it was the stretch of quarterbacks they played against.
Ryan Tannehill looked

Speaker 4 he's basically the greatest of all time when you put him up against some of the quarterbacks that the Dolphins were playing against.

Speaker 4 Because I think it was, I'm going to pull up the list, but obviously Ian Book last week. They beat the Jets twice, I want to to say.
One with Flacco. One with Flacco.

Speaker 4 They beat some combination. See, the teams are so bad sometimes that you don't even know what combination.
Like it was Tyrod Taylor and maybe Tyler Huntley. Was it Mike Lennon or was it?

Speaker 4 Actually, I have a stat that will shock you because I know that I'm going to be under heat here for Tuanon, right? Like Tu is my guy. I'm part of Tuanon.

Speaker 4 The greatest part about being in a cult like Tuanon is that we always have each other's backs. So I was given a stat that will shock you and also make you realize it wasn't to his fault today.

Speaker 4 So this is from Valley Boys Sports. The Dolphins this year

Speaker 4 are 8-0.

Speaker 4 8-0 when they play a team with a quarterback, starting quarterback, who has an O in his last name. Whoa.

Speaker 4 They're 0-8 when they play a team with the starting quarterback who does not have an O in his last name. okay, so I'm just going through the teams that they play.

Speaker 4 I have the list. I have the list.
So, Josh Allen would be one of those quarterbacks. So, here's the 8-0.

Speaker 4 These are the teams that they beat: Mac Jones, Tyrod Taylor.

Speaker 4 And this is the craziest part because some of these teams had other quarterbacks during the year, but it happened to be that Tyrod Taylor played against the Dolphins, started against the Dolphins, not Davis Mills.

Speaker 4 They would have lost if Davis Mills had started. Mac Jones, Tyrod Taylor, Lamar Jackson, Zach Wilson twice, Cam Newton, Mike Glennon, Ian Book, not Taysom Hill.

Speaker 4 That's 8-0. 0-8 against Josh Allen twice, Derek Carr, Carson Wentz, Tom Brady, Trevor Lawrence, Matt Ryan, and today with Ryan Tannehill.
So who do you play next week? It's Mac Jones.

Speaker 4 That's a win. That's a win.
So now, if Mac Jones wins next week, that throws the whole stat off. It does, but they're eliminated, so we don't even have to count the stat anymore.
You got to know.

Speaker 4 If Kevin Hogan had played today for the Titans instead of Ryan Tannehill, the Dolphins season would still be alive. This is not Tua's fault.
The rain was offensive, to say the least.

Speaker 4 It was only raining when the Dolphins had the turn. It was dangerous.
I noticed that. Borderline a hazard.

Speaker 4 The announcers said it's really raining.

Speaker 4 Yeah. I mean, there you go.
I have a question about Ryan Tannehill and his switch from wide receiver to quarterback. Yeah.
How bad was he at wide receiver?

Speaker 4 Because every time I watch him run with the ball, there's there's nothing about him that screams like

Speaker 4 that. Converted wide receiver.
Yeah, exactly. He's kind of fast.
Yeah, he's kind of fast. But you would assume that like a converted wide receiver.
Well, it's been a while. To a quarterback.

Speaker 4 It has been a while. Yeah.
But if he didn't,

Speaker 4 it wasn't to his fault. He just went up against a quarterback without knowing their last name.
I'm a

Speaker 4 toother?

Speaker 4 Tua Truther? Yeah, I don't know. What's his brother?

Speaker 4 Tuala.

Speaker 4 Talia. Talia.
Yeah, I'm. I don't know him.
He fucking easiest bullwin of the world.

Speaker 4 I'm in the Talia band.

Speaker 4 I'm not a Tuanon guy.

Speaker 4 I think Tua, he looks so cool that he makes people want to root for him. Now, he was bad today, but it also was out of his hands because he didn't play a quarterback with an O in his last day.

Speaker 4 He also had four of those plays where the ball was next to him on the ground. Yeah, well, it was raining, PFT.
I don't know if you saw it. Did you want me to say the quote again?

Speaker 4 The announcer said, it's really raining.

Speaker 4 This is a game on the road against the team that's the number one in the conference. Yeah, so let's talk about the Titans because the Titans,

Speaker 4 like, like the fact that the Titans are the one seed in the AFC and

Speaker 4 should beat the Texans next week, they did lose the Texans earlier this year. They, like, just when you think the Titans,

Speaker 4 like, are dead or we've been disrespecting them so much, they're now, you look up, it's week 17. With the Chiefs lost, they're the one seed.
They will have a buy.

Speaker 4 Mike Vrable deserves coach of the year.

Speaker 4 They've had, I saw the stat, the NFL record, 88 different players played for the Titans this year, which is insane. I though it's an all-time record or

Speaker 4 all-time record. All-time record.
I do want to make a plea, though, to Titans fans. You don't want our respect.
It's working for you. Like, why would you want to be respected at this point?

Speaker 4 This is the rarest thing you can have in all of sports. You're literally the one seed in the AFC, and you're disrespected.
That's incredible.

Speaker 4 To be able to play that card of, like, no one believes in us. And they've all been.
And truly, no one believes in you. And they've also got Derrick Henry coming back.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And he's going to actually try to play in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 But still, no one's going to believe in you. Right.
And you're going to be able to say, wait, we've got the returning leading rusher from last year. We've got

Speaker 4 a team that's been dominant against very, very good teams this year. Yeah, they suck against some bad teams.
But guess what? You're not going to be playing any bad teams in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 You're playing good teams. Everything is aligning perfectly.
You're at home.

Speaker 4 You have Fat Randy. You finally have a kicker.
That's been like your worst problem for the last couple years. Yep.

Speaker 4 The Super Bowl goes through Nashville. Two games.
You win two games at home, and you're in the Super Bowl. It's crazy.

Speaker 4 And I still, again, don't believe in them, which you want me to say that because that's all anyone does. Everyone's like, ah, yeah, maybe not because Ryan Tannehill, who knows?

Speaker 4 They're here. They've battled through everything.
Mike Rabel should be coach of the year.

Speaker 4 I texted him. I was like, coach of the year, Mike Rabel.
And he's like, oh, now you believe in me? No. So now it's like, no, fuck that.
I'll chip on your shoulder still. You know what?

Speaker 4 That was a very funny response. It's like, oh, shit.
The most important player, A.J. Brown.
It seems to look so different with him coming back. Absolutely.

Speaker 4 Is Julio out for the year? No, I think he's back, too. He hasn't been good.
Julio has like two things wrong. I think he's got COVID and

Speaker 4 a hamstring. And old.
Yeah, and he's old. Yeah.
But yeah, no, A.J. Brown is an absolute beast.
I just, if I were a Titans fan, I know, Titan, shout out to all of our Titan fan listeners.

Speaker 4 Shout out the boys.

Speaker 4 They're relentless on Twitter. Why would you want us to respect you at this point? Because the minute we start respecting you, everything, like you guys are, you have the golden ticket.

Speaker 4 You are the one seed that can play the disrespect card. That's so rare.
That's what you thrive off of. You know how hard it is to be a one seed and to still be able to play that card legitimately?

Speaker 4 Nick Saban would kill to be in this position. Nick Saban, this is what he wakes up and he dreams of.
Right.

Speaker 4 He has to invent ways of people disrespect.

Speaker 4 He has to have people that go through every article written on every website about the Crimson Tide to find one small thing to be like, oh, look, this guy thinks that our punter isn't as good as the guy that we had last year.

Speaker 4 Right. You don't let him talk about your boy like that? Like, this is what every coach absolutely wants.
Yes, you think the Packers can play the disrespect card? No chance. Everyone lists the Packers.

Speaker 4 Like, the Chiefs can't play the disrespect card. Oh, no.

Speaker 4 Aaron Rodgers is like, I've been canceled. That's his.
That's true. Since Aaron Rodgers has been canceled, he's like, now I'm on fuck you.
Yeah, fuck you mode. But I just,

Speaker 4 like, the Titans deserve all the credit in the world.

Speaker 4 What they fought back through this entire season, every time I've doubted them, every time everyone's doubted them, even when they're down 10-0 or whatever it was against the 49ers on that Thursday game that we didn't recap ever on this show,

Speaker 4 they always find a way, and they're just a fucking gritty, tough team. This can be a real hard out, and the Super Bowl goes through Nashville.
And you know what?

Speaker 4 Now that I said all this, Texans probably will beat you next week because Davis Mills is that good. Well, and also

Speaker 4 the Titans don't play good against shitty teams. Yeah.
And that's the chip on your shoulder. Yep.
So there you go. Get better against shitty teams.
And I'll start to believe in you.

Speaker 4 Where's the state of the Dolphins?

Speaker 4 This is just Brian Flores M.O. Every year just do enough to be like, well, they're building something.
Yeah, exactly. It's time to get to more weapons.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 Actually, the best thing ever, the most Dolphins thing ever, would be if they beat the Patriots in the last week of the season.

Speaker 4 They end up 9-8, and now you're like, okay, yeah, they're really putting something together. They're really building this thing.
It's really going to work next year. Olave.

Speaker 4 Oh. That's the pick.
Oh, okay. Yeah.
Jalen Waddell on one side. Olave starts to build like the Bengals.
He's got these stud receivers. Okay.
We'll see. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I'm not going to give up on being 2-0,

Speaker 4 especially knowing that it was out of his hands today. If you believe in 2-9, you believe in destiny.
Destiny told us today was never going to be a win for the Dolphins, ever.

Speaker 4 Because the simple quarterback, yeah, with the most. Yeah, right, exactly.

Speaker 4 Okay,

Speaker 4 the Bills Falcons.

Speaker 4 I just have a rule that any time a game starts with the safety year, I just write it off as this game's going to be weird and no one's going to know what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 It was a pretty normal game for the most part. It settled down, but it was.
It did have that one play towards the end. This is a rule change that needs to be put into effect.

Speaker 4 Do you know what I'm about to talk about?

Speaker 4 Matt Ryan? Matt Ryan scored a touchdown. Well, Well, no, he celebrated.
No, but he scored a touchdown, celebrated, got penalized for taunting.

Speaker 4 They took the touchdown off, but the taunting penalty remains. No, no, so he didn't score a touchdown, though.

Speaker 4 He was like an inch short.

Speaker 4 That's why the taunting penalty was in effect. Right, but

Speaker 4 I thought initially there was one ref that ruled it a touchdown. Yeah, but I think they looked at it and they said it wasn't a touchdown.
That's exactly what I'm saying then.

Speaker 4 I think that if it's not a touchdown, you should not be penalized Got it, yes. But if I taunt that results correct from

Speaker 4 the tax touchdown,

Speaker 4 you could do anything. You could stab a guy.
Also, you should never get Matt Ryan for a taunting penalty because it's Matt Ryan. Who can he taunt?

Speaker 4 Like, Jordan Poyer, I think, said it's going to stay between the lines. Someone asked him what Matt Ryan said to him.
It could have been that bad.

Speaker 4 Like, what is Matt Ryan going to say that's a fair thing?

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's like getting taunted by a puppy. He probably was like, woo, that was a touchdown.
He's a big, come on. Yeah.
Let's go. Let's go.
Let's fucking go. Touchdown.

Speaker 4 Probably just like, let's go, man. Yeah, we're still going to lose, but that was a touchdown.
In your face. Yeah, probably in your face.
Talk to the hand.

Speaker 4 Like, what is Matt Ryan going to do to taunt? Actually, shout out Jordan Poirier now that I'm thinking about it. He was nice enough.

Speaker 4 He didn't say what Matt Ryan said because Matt Ryan said something offensive. He said it because it was so lame that he didn't want to, he was like, you know what? I'm going to have his back.

Speaker 4 If I told everyone what Matt Ryan actually said, we'd laugh at him and be like, are you fucking serious?

Speaker 4 He didn't want the NFL to like retroactively rescind the taunting penalty when he was like, no, he just said, way to compete out there. Yeah.
Sorry for scoring. He said, I burned you.
I toasted you.

Speaker 4 Matt Ryan probably uses and one shit. Talk to the hand.
Yeah. You brought an umbrella.
I'm wet. Like, what is Matt Ryan getting? Bring a notebook because I'm taking you to school.
It's like, come on.

Speaker 4 Josh Allen did have like a full mash all the buttons game because he went, I think he had two rushing touchdowns and then three picks right after.

Speaker 4 Yeah, his mash all the buttons plays were pretty sick, though. When they were.

Speaker 4 the Bills call that rushing play, when it's basically the flying V for Muddy Ducks, when Josh Allen gets the ball and then he's just got like three guys ahead of him in a wedge, and he just follows it, that's the Bills' best rushing attack right there.

Speaker 4 And at least the Bills now are trying to have some sort of offensive identity. kind of centered around the rushing game.

Speaker 4 A lot of times it's Josh Allen running the ball, but sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's Moss running the ball.
And so it's a more balanced Bills team than we've seen.

Speaker 4 Now, it's going to be very interesting because in the playoffs, we're probably going to get a rematch of the week's 13 and 16 Super Bowls of the Bills and the Patriots. And

Speaker 4 it's going to be in Buffalo, which is going to be incredible. And that's going to be an incredible game.
And I cannot wait to see how drunk that stadium is. Yes.

Speaker 4 Hopefully the Saturday night game, maybe even the Monday night game. That would be fun.
Give them a Saturday. Give them a Saturday.
Spend all day doing it.

Speaker 4 And then give them also the freedom to know that the next day they don't have to go to work. Yes, yes.

Speaker 4 Hank, what were you going to say?

Speaker 11 I just can't wait either. I'm very excited.

Speaker 4 All right, we're going to do the Patriots next. One last word, though, about the Falcons.
Arthur Smith deserves credit because I thought the Falcons were going to be an absolute disaster this year.

Speaker 4 The fact that they were still in the hunt,

Speaker 4 technically not eliminated until week 17, is pretty crazy.

Speaker 4 I think I actually said the Falcons are going to win four or five games. They far exceeded it.
They weren't a great team. They weren't a good team.

Speaker 4 I don't even think they were a good team because we've looked at it. They were the best bad team where they beat up on all the bad teams and they got killed by any team with a pulse.

Speaker 4 By far the best bad team. By far the best bad team.
But Arthur Smith deserves a ton of credit because

Speaker 4 he didn't inherit an awesome situation. Oh, yeah.
And his best offensive weapon, Calvin Ridley, you know, stepped away from football in the middle of the season.

Speaker 4 Like, there's a lot of things that were against the Falcons, and they had a respectable season.

Speaker 4 And going into this game, I don't think anyone expected the the Falcons to win because of those analytics that we've told you about how they just get the shit kicked out of them all the time by any team that's above 500.

Speaker 4 Yep. And also because the Falcons' uniforms, they just don't belong in the snow.
No. Just as a franchise, the Falcons should never play a snow game.
It looks weird.

Speaker 4 And it's not just like southern teams that I think don't look right in the snow because sometimes a southern team, they have that fish out of water thing in the snow that kind of looks right, like the Dolphins.

Speaker 4 I can see them playing snow games all the time. But the Falcons, the Falcons don't play snow games.
No. I feel like the Rams don't play snow games.
Yes. No, definitely not.

Speaker 4 The Rams don't play snow games. The Dolphins will get killed, will get creamed in a snow game.

Speaker 4 But I've seen the Dolphins play snow games. Yeah, you have.
I don't think I've played it. The Rams played it in Lambeau last year in the playoffs.
It wasn't snowish. It wasn't coldish.
It was cold.

Speaker 4 But you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 The Falcons, they don't. No.
They don't belong in the snow. They stay in the South.
Keep them home. Keep them South.

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Speaker 4 We got a couple games we can whip through. The Patriots absolutely shit pumped the Jaguars.

Speaker 4 The only thing of note that I had from this game was Jacksonville clinched

Speaker 4 the one number one pick in the draft. Congrats to them.
They're officially on the clock. Back-to-back years.

Speaker 4 And then the Patriots clinched the playoffs, and Bill Belichick now has 20 10 win seasons. 20 10 win seasons.

Speaker 4 He is tied for the record with Don Schula, who had 20, 10 win seasons in 33 years of coaching. Bill Belichick has head coach 27 years.
So one little thing to note from Chris

Speaker 4 is we can probably put to bed all the rumors of the fact that Mac Jones and Bill Belichick don't like each other very much, or that for whatever reason

Speaker 4 they're not getting along. Yeah, I mean, there were some rumors going through the last couple weeks they didn't really trust him, that

Speaker 4 he wasn't in a good position with the team. We can put those rumors to bed because they beat the Jaguars because

Speaker 4 they made a joke on the sidelines. And Mac Brown laughed really, really hard when Bill Belichick made his joke.
Mac Jones. What did I say? Mac Brown.
Mac Jones laughed really. COVID brain.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Hank, thoughts. This game was, I mean, it was just an absolute yeah, 50 Burger Patriots have done a very good job this year beating bad teams.

Speaker 11 They struggle against good teams. The Dolphins, I think, are the perfect goodish, baddish team.
How the Patriots play in that game will kind of dictate how I feel about them going to the playoffs.

Speaker 4 They have nothing to play for. The Dolphins.

Speaker 4 Still.

Speaker 11 Dolphins are always the Dolphins and the Patriots end of the season. Always a tough matchup.
I know Belichick's going to want to win the game. It's more just how the Patriots play as a team.

Speaker 11 Like, if they come out...

Speaker 4 Whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you saying it's a must-win game?

Speaker 11 No, it's not a must-win. It'll just be a good litmus test for the playoffs.

Speaker 4 I was going to say the must-win game, we'd have to take the under. Wait, hang on.

Speaker 11 Litmus. Litmus.
Litmiss. Okay.

Speaker 4 Litness, whatever the fuck.

Speaker 4 Do you know what a litmus test is?

Speaker 11 Yeah,

Speaker 11 it's a good test of how you look before going into the season.

Speaker 4 Don't brain shame Hank.

Speaker 4 Matt Brown. I'm asking Hank.

Speaker 4 I'm dealing with brain fog right now.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 we turned it off after like, what, a quarter and a half?

Speaker 4 Because it was, there was a moment where Hank and I both, like, I had the Bears and Giants on, and he had the Patriots and Jaguars on, and we both agreed, like, we can't make everyone else watch these games, so we have to turn these off and put on, like, the Rams and Ravens.

Speaker 4 So a big moment from us.

Speaker 4 All right, so what are you feeling, Hank? One to ten. How are you feeling? Going into the playoffs.
Tad Flinch.

Speaker 11 Super excited. I mean, obviously, Bills fans, they had my number.
They had a lot of trips for me over the break.

Speaker 4 Well, you had to take a day off.

Speaker 11 I had to take a day off. I had to go in the ocean and just drown my thoughts of what the Bills fans were saying to me.
But that's fine. I want this playoff matchup.

Speaker 11 It will be a great test if the Bills are really as good as they say they are. If they really are stepping up and no longer being Little Brother in the FC East, this will be the perfect way to do it.

Speaker 11 I think the Patriots will win. It will make it that much sweeter.
And I want it.

Speaker 4 I want the smoke. What happens if the Bills win? Are they no longer Little Brother? Are you twins? Are they big brother? Where are we at?

Speaker 11 Yeah, I think they would probably, you know, it would.

Speaker 4 Fraternal twins. I think there's.
Well, it's like a fight.

Speaker 11 It's like when your little brother, you know how if you have a little brother, you always beat him up. You always beat him up.
You always beat him up.

Speaker 11 Eventually, he hits puberty, and he can probably take you, and then it becomes more of an even fight.

Speaker 11 And usually when that happens, I feel like they stop fighting as much because the big brother doesn't want to get beat up.

Speaker 4 I think it's little. It would be like that.
Yeah, their little brother. Big brother went to college.
And while big brother was at college, little brother figured out what a weight room looked like.

Speaker 4 And maybe a couple rounds of creatine came back and was like, oh, fuck. Yeah.
Little brother's jacked. Right.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah, right, Billy?

Speaker 4 Hell yeah.

Speaker 4 Okay, that was, I mean, 50 burger. What more can you say? Exactly.
All right. Bears, Giants.

Speaker 4 This game was terrible as well. I mean, it was great for the Bears.
I enjoyed watching and being like, oh, the Bears are

Speaker 4 not as bad as the Giants. Let's just say that.
They're not even close to as bad as the Giants. Mike Glennon was 4 for 11 for 24 yards.
4 for 11 for 24 yards. Negative 10 net yards.

Speaker 4 4 for 11 for 24 yards. The Bears defense swallowed him whole right from the beginning.
Like the first play from scrimmage, they fucking just broke him in half.

Speaker 4 I love that Joe Judge

Speaker 4 saw the split in this game. He was like, okay,

Speaker 4 we're going to lose by a lot, but we're still going to run the ball 40 times. Yep.
Joe Judge, that's his. You're running Wildcat.
That's his understanding of analytics.

Speaker 4 He's the guy that's like, you know, teams that can run the ball 40 times, they win 95% of those games. Yes.
And so he looks at the stat sheet at the end of the game.

Speaker 4 He's like, well, what the fuck happened here? How did we lose? Yeah. Yeah.
He's like, well, we established a run. Yeah.

Speaker 4 What happened here?

Speaker 4 Yeah, the Bears, like, there's, I mean, the last two wins have meant nothing. They don't have their first-round pick, weirdly enough.
The Giants do.

Speaker 4 So the Giants hurt their first-round pick that they got from the Bears because the Bears got another win. But they helped their own.
Their own first-round pick. Right.
Got it. Correct.

Speaker 4 um but yeah the bears absolutely demolished them i it's like matt nagy's gone here's what i'll say there have been some murmur murmur in my mentions and around like oh wow the bears you know fought the last two games no no no matt nagy's gone he's fired the question is just whether ryan pace gets fired which he should be because we saw mike glennon who may i just remind everyone ryan pace has paid mike glennon like 60 percent of his career earnings in one year uh he thought that Mike Glennon was a true starting quarterback of the NFL.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 4 Joe Judge after the game, did you see what Joe Judge said? I've seen a lot of Joe Judge quote. I'm ready to go with all of them.
This one is wild.

Speaker 4 So, this is why I feel very confident that Matt Nagy is absolutely 100% fired.

Speaker 4 Joe Judge after the game said that there are players that were on the Giants last year that have reached out to him and said how much they wish they were still on the team, even though they're getting paid somewhere else, more somewhere else.

Speaker 4 Yep. Joe Judge said this.
Yeah, sir, big strongmen keep calling me, and they've got tears in their eyes, and they say, I wish I was playing for you, sir.

Speaker 4 I wish I was playing for the four win giants that have not been competitive in two months, even though I'm getting paid more money where I'm at. So who's he talking about? Colt McCoy? I don't know.

Speaker 4 We've got to find the list. Who was on the Giants last year?

Speaker 4 So here's why I'm feeling good because Joe Judge is clearly at the point of his career, season, whatever you want to say, where he's just making shit up. Literally making shit up.

Speaker 4 He also said that Matt Nagy is a very good coach and the Bears are a good coach team. So I feel good because he's making shit up.
Those two things go hand in hand. He's just saying shit to say shit.

Speaker 4 He doesn't actually believe any of it. None of it is actually true.
So when he says Matt Nagy's,

Speaker 4 you know, the Bears are a very good coach team, he's lying.

Speaker 4 And when he says people are calling him up, saying they wish they were playing for the four-win Giants, even though they're making more money somewhere else, he's lying.

Speaker 4 I'm just going to say, yeah, right off the top, that Colt McCoy is really the only. Is there any other free agent that's left the Giants?

Speaker 4 He's not a free agent.

Speaker 4 Colt McCoy.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Colt McCoy probably wants to play for the Giants because he doesn't want to play in the playoffs. He's old.
He wants to go home. He wants to enjoy his offseason.
It's not a big list. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's not a big list. It's not guys that aren't on the Giants.
It's made up. It's completely made up.
It's just completely completely made up. But I do respect him for just throwing that out.

Speaker 4 It's high because he has an audience of one with that post-game speech, and that's Mr. Mara.
He's trying to convince Mr.

Speaker 4 Mara that he should be kept around next year because all the former players love him so much.

Speaker 4 It's almost like he thinks the Yelp reviews are going to save his job. Like, hey, check this out.

Speaker 4 Everyone says they had a great time when they were here. You should be able to Yelp review or Glassdoor.
Glassdoor is the one for jobs, right?

Speaker 4 Where you can talk about your co-workers, your boss, the salary.

Speaker 4 Billy's already logged in on Glassdoor just saying, I really like my job, but I really wish that my bosses had peanut allergies so I could slather Jif all over their noses.

Speaker 4 Did you think it was Kelvin Benjamin? Oh, no, because he's not playing anywhere else, is he? Well, then maybe that is. Because he wishes he was playing in the NFL still.
That's what I was looking up.

Speaker 4 Well, Kelvin Benjamin might be getting paid somewhere else more than he was getting paid.

Speaker 4 Maybe

Speaker 4 Kelvin Benjamin started a catering company and it's doing really, really well because he eats all the food that he makes.

Speaker 4 All-time quote,

Speaker 4 I would love to know.

Speaker 4 Go on the record. Let's see.
Can we pull up his call logs?

Speaker 4 Can we NSA him? He also said

Speaker 4 I'm not here to argue about stats. It is what it is when he was asked about their 10 net passing yards today.
It wasn't good enough.

Speaker 4 He's basically, listen, you can make stats say whatever you want, whether they had negative 10 yards or 600 yards passing. We still lost.
That's pretty much what he's saying.

Speaker 4 Dude, you had negative 10 yards passing. It's

Speaker 4 pretty tough to do. Again,

Speaker 4 I've been down about the Bears. I've reached the apathetic, like, who cares point of the season because Justin Fields isn't even playing.

Speaker 4 But it always is nice to see you, like, it's basically a verbal meme, big dog, little dog. Like, oh, the Bears are a disaster, but they're not that.

Speaker 4 Because that is just really bad. And they're keeping Joe Judge.
Like, the Bears are a disaster, and they're firing Matt Nagy.

Speaker 4 The Giants are a disaster, and they're keeping Joe Judge, and they announced that they're also going to have Daniel Jones be your starting quarterback, which there was no reason to announce that right now.

Speaker 4 None.

Speaker 4 Unless it's just leaked out from Joe Judge. Yeah.
And Joe Judge is saying, hey,

Speaker 4 I'm hearing word around the organization is that me and Daniel Jones are both staying. And then it gets put out in the press that way.
That's the only explanation I can think of.

Speaker 4 I don't know what else is going on there. But Joe Judge also, he tried to take a shot at my Washington football team, gave us some bulletin board material

Speaker 4 for next week after the game. He said,

Speaker 4 listen, we're not having fist fights on the sideline. This ain't no clown show organization.
Oh, nice. So embrace the bait.
Are the Giants a clown show organization? Because I'll put my hand up.

Speaker 4 The Washington football team is a fucking clown car. It's a clown car that's packed to the gills with buttholes.
It always has been. But I don't.

Speaker 4 I feel like the Giants are also getting close to being a clown show.

Speaker 4 Yeah. No, I think they're past the clown show.
They've lost the most games. But the thing is,

Speaker 4 you can be a loser, but not necessarily a clown show.

Speaker 4 Right. But I think it's clown show.
The fact that Joe Judge is coming back, and again, they announced who announces your starting quarterback in December for next year? Like, why?

Speaker 4 It's actually similar to the Bears announcing Andy Dalton, QB1 for no reason, and then not having a competition.

Speaker 4 Like, if the Giants actually go through with it and don't have a QB competition, competition, and I'm a Daniel Jones believer, but that's crazy.

Speaker 4 Do you think it's doubly embarrassing for Ryan Pace to watch his team beat the shit out of Mike Glennon for another team? Do you think he can take pleasure in that?

Speaker 4 Or do you think the entire time he's thinking to himself, like, yikes, the guy that I paid all this money to is the only reason that my current shitty team is able to win a game? Right.

Speaker 4 He's like, I'm really bad. Yeah, this was actually all a long con by Ryan Pace.
To win this one game. He knew that it was all going to come down to this one game.

Speaker 4 He probably had a shitload of money on this game

Speaker 4 two years ago. Yes.
I found one other, Kyler Fakrel, who played for the Packers, who then,

Speaker 4 so he's making less money with the Chargers. But he would be, you'd throw him out there that a guy who's like, hey, I'm about to play in a week 18

Speaker 4 winner-go-home

Speaker 4 game, and I live in L.A.

Speaker 4 What's his playing time like?

Speaker 4 But I really wish I was on the Giants and we were playing a meaningless week 18 game and I was living in New Jersey.

Speaker 4 Okay, I'm going to look up this guy because it seems like that's the only other option here. Okay, Kyle.
It's just fucking... Oh, man.
You look it up.

Speaker 4 I'm going to flip the page. That's too much about the Bears Giants, even though it was all about Joe Judge, who is

Speaker 4 something else. He's something else.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 4 Broncos Charger. We need a full list.
Someone tweet us a full list of Giants players

Speaker 4 who are not on the roster anymore. Maybe even the entire Joe Judge.
Tweet us, find us a list of guys who played for Joe Judge on the Giants. No, but it was last year.
Yeah, but he specifically said.

Speaker 4 It could be anywhere.

Speaker 4 Let's widen the net here.

Speaker 4 Guys who are making more money somewhere else who would call up Joe Judge and be like, I really hate the fact that I'm making more money for a team that's better than your team.

Speaker 4 I'd rather be running around doing laps in December and full

Speaker 4 contact drills. Memes texted me a list.
Dalvin Tomlinson, Wayne Gallman, signed with the Vikings, Devontae Freeman, Kevin Zeitler, Ravens. Okay.
I could see it being

Speaker 4 Wayne Gallman. Wayne Gallman? Yeah, because he has to, like we said, to bring a full Kirk Cousins.
He has to sit around Kirk Cousins all the time. So he's probably like, this fucking sucks.

Speaker 4 At least Daniel Jones would go play flip cup with me in Hoboken.

Speaker 4 Like, that would, Kirk Cousins is not going to do that.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 We got the afternoon slate. We'll whip through a couple of these.
Broncos, Chargers.

Speaker 4 Drew Locke wasn't terrible. The Chargers are back into, again, a win-and-get-in game against the Raiders.
And I don't know what the hell the Broncos are going to do with Vic Fangio.

Speaker 4 That's kind of been a year-long thing, though.

Speaker 4 Unless the Broncos make the playoffs, Fangio's,

Speaker 4 it's pretty obvious that he's been in over his head for a while in terms of being a full head coach.

Speaker 4 You can judge a guy pretty accurately based on their first season just to see if they, like, not talking about the talent or the wins and losses, but just to see if they get the small stuff, like the challenges or the big one.

Speaker 4 To me, Vic Fangio is a very difficult case to how to judge it because you could make the argument that he's not succeeded as a head coach.

Speaker 4 They haven't been in the playoffs, but I think if you're Vic Fangio or a Vic Fangio defender, you'd be like, but that's not my fucking fault because John Elway can't get a quarterback.

Speaker 4 Like, the Broncos have just been a quarterback away from being a good team every single year. I know that.

Speaker 4 I'm just saying that you can get the vibe of whether or not somebody is equipped to handle all the other stuff, stuff like in-game management. That's what I'm saying.
Fangio has never been great at.

Speaker 4 I still think he's okay. It's just they don't have a quarterback.

Speaker 4 I mean, Drew Locke wasn't terrible, but like they've not had a real quarterback for his entire time there.

Speaker 4 I think one of the biggest indictments that you can say is the way that Brandon Staley coached this game is pretty much saying like there are teams that you need touchdowns to beat. Yes.

Speaker 4 And then there are the Broncos.

Speaker 4 So Brandon Staley kicking field goals, which he was right to do.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I actually

Speaker 4 got more respect for Brandon Staley today because he's not like all the math nerds were saying, what happened to Brandon Staley?

Speaker 4 No, no, he's smarter than everyone because he knows it's all time and situation. Like he went, he kicked a field goal on fourth and goal from the one.
He punted on fourth and eight on Denver's 44.

Speaker 4 He kicked a field goal from fourth and goal on the five because he essentially was like, the Broncos suck. Yeah.
I'm winning this game no matter what. Two types of teams in the NFL.

Speaker 4 One where you won't beat them with field goals and then the Broncos. Right.
The Broncos are the epitome of the team of, yes, you can absolutely field goal the Broncos to death. Yes.

Speaker 4 No, you can field goal the Broncos, the Giants.

Speaker 4 I would say the Jaguars, but the Jaguars field goal the Bills to death. Yeah.
9-6. Yeah, yeah.
So I don't think you want to get in a field goal war. You've got to score touchdowns against the Jaguars.

Speaker 4 You could probably field gold the Bears to death.

Speaker 4 I'm trying to think. Anyone else that you can feel gold to death? Because I think the Texans are scrappy enough you can't feel gold to them to death.
At times, you can feel gold the Steelers to death.

Speaker 4 At times. Yes, yes.
No, you absolutely.

Speaker 4 If you go into Heinz Field, this iteration of Steelers, and you're like, if we can get five field goals from our field goal kicker, you're probably going to win the game. Yeah, the Jets sometimes.

Speaker 4 Yeah. Depending on the week.
When it's Mr. INT.
Yep. Yep.
There's a few teams that you can feel gold to death. And when you know you have that, why would you go for it on fourth down? Yeah.
No reason.

Speaker 4 None.

Speaker 4 All right. That was that game.
49ers Texans, same thing.

Speaker 4 I don't know what to say about Trey Lance. He looked okay at times, but then also really not.
Well, you can make the stats sing for Trey Lance, though. Just by covering.
He covered. Good point.

Speaker 4 Just because of his ability to throw the ball deep occasionally without getting it picked off. And now,

Speaker 4 just so everyone understands, I'm not being hypocritical here because I do think that you've got to give rookie quarterbacks time.

Speaker 4 Trey Lance is in in a different situation because there's a chance he has to start a playoff game. So it's like we're judging him.
Can he win a playoff game?

Speaker 4 Because he might be thrust into that situation.

Speaker 4 I think we can say no.

Speaker 4 Maybe.

Speaker 4 I think he can. I think he can.
Because here, Big Cat, here's why. Kyle Shanahan's system.

Speaker 4 Kyle Shanahan's system, it's kind of a motherfucker for a quarterback because you can put most decent quarterbacks or decent prospects into that system and convince yourself, like, yeah, this could work.

Speaker 4 Like, Like, Kyle Shannon could tailor the system to Trey Lance, and I could see that running game really stepping up. Yes.

Speaker 4 But then, once you get to a point where it doesn't work, then it 100% becomes a quarterback's fault. Right.

Speaker 4 Where you're like, the system's so good, if they just had one quarterback that could fit within it, then they could win the Super Bowl every year. Right.
It's like, wait,

Speaker 4 there's something that gives and takes at the same time where it's like,

Speaker 4 maybe the system does have a very low floor,

Speaker 4 but the ceiling is not that high. Right, right.
And

Speaker 4 who knows? I'd still like the Niners.

Speaker 4 I still love Debo Samuel, Kittle, all those guys. Debo Samuel Sr.
Debo Samuel Sr.

Speaker 4 But yeah, Trey Lance, he's not ready yet.

Speaker 4 What do you got?

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Speaker 4 Oh, we have the announcement, breaking moves.

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Speaker 4 Saturday, Chiefs at Broncos,

Speaker 4 Cowboys at Eagles.

Speaker 4 Sunday night football chargers at Raiders. Okay, good.
Wait, what are the Saturday ones again? Chiefs at Broncos. Okay.
Cowboys at Eagles. I don't know why Chiefs and Broncos.

Speaker 4 That feels like that has no... Kind of a throwaway game.
Yeah, that's just Patrick Mahomes to get ratings.

Speaker 4 Maybe the whole division had to be flexed for fairness. I don't know.
Because of the Sunday night game? No, I think they just probably like Patrick Mahomes to get ratings.

Speaker 4 Like at 4 o'clock on a Saturday in January, Patrick Mahomes could be playing a fucking Pop Warner team and be like, oh, I'll tune in. Patrick Mahomes in Mile High.
I think they're throwing the balls.

Speaker 4 Niners, Rams Rams is two playoff teams. I thought they reflected that.
Okay, so

Speaker 4 good Saturday and Sunday.

Speaker 4 You know what I'm saying about the Niners, right? It's like Kyle Shanahan's system is basically any quarterback can be good until they're not, and then the quarterback's the problem. Right, right.

Speaker 4 And you always sit there and say, imagine if we had this quarterback. Yes.
It would be incredible. Which I do all the time.
Right. Of course.

Speaker 4 And when we say imagine if you had this quarterback, it's actually just Kyle Shanahan dreaming of Kirk Cousins. Yep.
Right.

Speaker 4 Okay. By the way, did the Eagles actually clinch a playoff spot? Is this going to be another one where I

Speaker 4 have all the... Was it because the Vikings lost?

Speaker 11 49ers and Vikings.

Speaker 4 No, it's because the Vikings lost this game. Okay.
All right. That was the last thing that had to happen.
Okay, so I'm not.

Speaker 4 There's going to be a lot of Eagles fans. At the time that you said it, you're not wrong.
Yeah, when you get to it. At the time you're listening to it, he's wrong.

Speaker 4 Of the podcast, you're going to feel like an asshole for tweeting me that you clinched. It hadn't happened yet.

Speaker 4 Saints Panthers. Who cares? Yep.
Moving on. Sam Darnold

Speaker 4 looked not

Speaker 4 like Sam Darnold today. He looked better than Sam Darnold.
There we go. Sam Darnold has now officially become QB1 over Sam Darnold.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 And the Saints do have a path. They have to beat Atlanta, and the 49ers have to lose to the Rams.
Not crazy.

Speaker 4 Not crazy.

Speaker 4 We did forget to talk about one thing with the Rams. What? Odell Beckham punching that guy in the butthole.
Yeah. How about that, huh? He likes ass play.

Speaker 4 He came from a good five yards away, cocked his fist back like an old-timey. You know, when cartoon characters used to.
Yeah, you bonked them. No, I'm bonking you.
Why?

Speaker 4 You're getting turned on by this. I can tell.
I like it. I'm not.

Speaker 4 He's.

Speaker 4 I thought of a good joke, but I'm not even going to say it now. Yeah.
Not even going to. I'm going to keep this one to my.

Speaker 11 No, say it, say it, say it.

Speaker 4 That's it. He's Fister INT.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 There you go. Bonk and 1.5 boobs.

Speaker 4 The double. See, that's what I don't like about the bonk is because

Speaker 4 I know you don't like it. It's hilarious.
No,

Speaker 4 the bonk gets overused because I was talking about a play where, like, legitimately, one of the best receivers in the NFL saw a guy make an interception, ran over, and just punched him as hard as he could in the butthole.

Speaker 4 I don't think that's a bonk.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 I think Odell should be bonked.

Speaker 11 Would you say that coming back to it like an hour later

Speaker 11 might be bonk related?

Speaker 4 You've been thinking about that.

Speaker 4 It was funny. Yeah.
It was a very funny play. Tickles your fancy.
It was a very, It's not every day you get to see a guy just like put his fist on another guy's asshole.

Speaker 4 I just like, we can say, yeah, we can say bonk anytime, and you're like, it's not a bonk. No, I'm just saying, that is not a bonk.
Right.

Speaker 4 It's never a bonk with you. You should be bonked for bonking, for interpreting that as sexual.

Speaker 4 Bonk.

Speaker 4 We'll put up a poll for this.

Speaker 4 Play this clip in its entirety, and then follow it up with a tweet that says, is PFT being horny or is Big Cat being horny for thinking that PFT?

Speaker 4 This is the best part about calling you out on a bunk. You get so defensive that it's like, you must have also been thinking about sex.
I'll admit when I'm thinking about sex all the time.

Speaker 4 Not thinking about sex right now. You're just thinking about Odell putting his hand up some guy's ass.

Speaker 4 He did it.

Speaker 4 Not me. I'm not the one that did it.
It was funny. It was funny.
It was funny. I just love saying bonk to you because we always end up here.
You're like, I'm not the one. You guys are the one.

Speaker 4 I'm the least horny person on this podcast.

Speaker 4 Anyone want to share the text from PFT on January 1st?

Speaker 11 It said, did you guys see Miley Cyrus last night?

Speaker 4 Yeah. I was curious if you guys saw it, because I went to bed early.
Never horny.

Speaker 4 Never horny. It's impossible to be horny with COVID.

Speaker 11 I will say, PFT tweeted, I think, a clip of Miley Cyrus' performance and was just like, jokingly, this was a great performance. And the Miley stands didn't see

Speaker 11 the irony in it. And we're just like, yes.
Oh, my God. Yes.

Speaker 4 So true. It was awesome to be able to tweet something just positive and pure about Miley Cyrus.
That's beautiful. And I turned off the replies to it.
So only Miley stands for like quote tweeting.

Speaker 4 Oh, that's why that's like because they search her name.

Speaker 4 I didn't want that clip to be defiled by people thinking I was just looking at her nipple. Yeah, when you have to turn off replies, you're not horny.
You're pre-barning. You're getting out of the way.

Speaker 4 It was the best. Turning off replies to any Miley Cyrus tweet.
The horniest guy horny man ever.

Speaker 4 All right.

Speaker 4 You got a sex addiction. You're thinking about sex.
Not all. You're thinking about sex right now.

Speaker 4 You got a sex addiction. You're addicted to sex.
We've established that you talk about sex more than I do.

Speaker 4 Hank did. Hank said it last time.
Okay. You do?

Speaker 4 You do. He did not.
He did not say it. He did not.

Speaker 4 Everyone's laughing right now.

Speaker 11 I'll start keeping a track now. Track 2022.

Speaker 4 Sex jokes. No.

Speaker 4 We'll revisit.

Speaker 11 We'll do a mid-year review in July.

Speaker 4 There's a clipt that came out. I look forward to that review.

Speaker 4 Here's what I don't want to do.

Speaker 4 I don't want to censor myself on this podcast. It's going to be tough.
You're going to be

Speaker 4 happy. Because I'm like, oh, well, Big Cat's going to think that this is a sex joke.
They usually are. Odell Beckham punching another guy in the butthole is not sex.
No, but

Speaker 4 coming back to it an hour later being like, oh, I forgot Odell put his hand in some guy's asshole. I mean, should we not talk about that? Yeah, we should have talked about it then.

Speaker 4 That's usually something that we would bring up.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's true. All right, let's get back on track Seahawks Lions we'll wrap up here

Speaker 4 again I don't really this game good job Russ

Speaker 4 yeah

Speaker 4 last game

Speaker 4 in Seattle good job I'm gonna count this as a win for Tim Boyle this is as close as Tim Boyle did get to a win in shootout Tim Boyle was in it was involved in a shootout you didn't lose because of Tim Boyle well actually no he threw a few interceptions yeah but he was involved in a shootout he was cool he was involved in a shootout because you do need both teams to score to have a shootout yeah they lit the scoreboard up right They need two teams to do that.

Speaker 4 Absolutely.

Speaker 4 I did find

Speaker 4 a good quote about Dan Campbell. This is from a couple years ago, but I'd never seen it before, but I like it.
It's from Teddy Bridgewater. Teddy said:

Speaker 4 whenever he stood in front of the team and talked, you're ready to just storm out of that meeting and punch a guy in the face for no reason.

Speaker 4 There's no higher compliment

Speaker 4 than you can pay. Yes.
And you want to go fight people. You just want to get into a fight.
You want to fight people.

Speaker 4 The only other, I had Amon Ross St.

Speaker 4 brown watch which we've been talking about he's just a bona fide like superstar in the making because the last five weeks he's had 43 catches 451 yards and five touchdowns that's a full season in the last five weeks yep so there you go lions fans and seahawks you like russ is now doing i

Speaker 4 russell wilson bothers me i don't know he's now saying like i hope this isn't the last game in Seattle. You are the one who gets to decide that.
And also, like, you,

Speaker 4 it's in your hands. He's the one whose agent leaked the, like, I don't want to be traded, but if I did want to be traded,

Speaker 4 here are the five teams I was trading. They went on Jimmy Fallon and had him ask about, like, I just can't stand when players.
If you want to be traded, just say you want to be traded.

Speaker 4 Don't have someone else say you want to be traded and then say, I love it here. I hope this isn't my last time here.
You get to decide that.

Speaker 4 The Seattle Seahawks will never trade Russell Wilson unless Russell Wilson says he wants to be traded. That's just a fact.
So don't don't pretend that you're like, oh, man,

Speaker 4 shocks. I hope this isn't the last time.

Speaker 4 You decide your own destiny here, Russ. Yep.
I had one other note, and that's that Dan Campbell, come hell or high water, he was going to throw a touchdown pass to an offensive lineman this week.

Speaker 4 He had multiple guys running routes from the offense from the tackle eligible position. And also, people are really mad at Dan Campbell.

Speaker 4 Fantasy owners are very mad at him because during the week, Dan Campbell kept saying, I'm going to cut DeAndre Swift loose. You're going to see DeAndre Swift really cooked this week.

Speaker 4 And then at the goal line, he's just trying to throw passes to his offensive lineman to get them touchdowns. Matthew Berry's got to be furious.
Matthew Berry is putting him on the shit list.

Speaker 4 Who was the other guy that Matthew Berry will never forgive? Oh, fuck. There was some player that lied about whether or not he was going to play.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 No, yeah, it was on the cards. He tweeted something, and Matthew Berry was like, You think this is a fucking game? Yeah, well, yeah, yes, exactly what it is.

Speaker 11 Was it James Conner?

Speaker 4 It might have been. like sounded like

Speaker 4 out and then

Speaker 4 yeah, he got very, very upset at someone. I do remember this.
We've got to find that. David Johnson? It might have been.
Maybe. Yeah.

Speaker 4 He like, did he tweet that he was going to be out and then he played? Or he tweeted that he was going to play, then he was out? Yeah.

Speaker 4 He's like, you're playing with people's lives here. That's very funny.
That's very funny.

Speaker 4 I encourage more people

Speaker 4 in week 17. Yes.
Especially week 17. Yes.

Speaker 4 Throw some chaos into it.

Speaker 4 Okay, last game. Find that for us.
I think it was David Johnson in 2019. What did he do? Because

Speaker 4 Matthew Berry rants at Cardinals' Twitter for trolling fantasy managers.

Speaker 4 So that clip looks like he woke up the next day and still was upset. Oh, no.
Yeah, it was a big thing for Matthew Berry. And

Speaker 4 the caption of the video: Matthew Berry calls out the Arizona Cardinals' Twitter handle for saying fantasy managers should have started running back Chase Edmonds in week seven against the Giants.

Speaker 4 Oh, man.

Speaker 4 That's great. I think Matthew Berry took David Johnson off his big board

Speaker 4 for the rest of his life. He's like, I will never draft David Johnson again in fantasy because of what he did to me.
I know we joke about fantasy, like, no one cares about your fantasy team.

Speaker 4 And look, I play fantasy, and I know people take it very seriously. The thing that bothers me with fantasy every year is like

Speaker 4 the championship is just, and the playoffs are just complete flukes. It's like whoever has one game where it's just crazy and he goes off, and that's it.

Speaker 4 If you had

Speaker 4 probably at the time when Jamar Chase was like, I don't don't know if I'll ever be able to catch a football because the stripes are different, that's when you drafted him. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Think back four or five months ago. And then now you're winning thousands of dollars because of what a great season he had.
And more specifically, what an incredible week this week he had. Right.

Speaker 4 It's all luck.

Speaker 4 Yeah. It's just.
Your players end up playing in random spots.

Speaker 4 Obviously, there are some people that are really good at it, but it's just you lose one or two times in your fantasy career where it's like, oh, fuck this.

Speaker 4 This guy was awesome all year, and then one week he decided to suck, and it just completely kills it for you.

Speaker 4 What do you got? What does he say? Read it. The video to his rant.
You want me to lie at AZ Cardinals about David Johnson's health for competitive reasons? Fine.

Speaker 4 But when I believe you're lying, start DJ and Bench Edmonds, you want to troll me for that? Ahem. I have some thoughts.

Speaker 4 Ahem. He did the throat clear.
Holy shit, the Arizona Twitter Cardinals account, like, I've been in the news recently. What?

Speaker 4 I didn't know that I. I'm a fan of theirs now, fully.

Speaker 4 Wow.

Speaker 4 Wow. I think more people should start typing the word ahem

Speaker 4 before they drop a nuclear take. Ahem.
Let me get on my soapbox. Ahem.
All right, last game.

Speaker 4 Cardinals, Cowboys.

Speaker 4 I made the biggest future bet I've ever made in my life at like noon today on the Cowboys to win the Super Bowl at 10-1.

Speaker 4 They lose this game. They lose chance at the number two seed.
Also, Michael Gallup Torres ACL. I'm the biggest mush alive.

Speaker 4 And I experienced like watching it with like a very rooted interest in the Cowboys, and they suck. They suck.
They don't suck. They don't suck.
I'm going to talk you off the ledge a little bit.

Speaker 4 The Cowboys are very good. They're not a fluke.
Their defense is good. This game, I'm going to chalk this one up to Kyler Murray Magic in Texas Stadium.
He's 9-0.

Speaker 4 Is he 9-0 now? 9-0. In AT ⁇ T Stadium?

Speaker 4 He played there in high school. Five times in high school.

Speaker 4 He's 2-0 in the pros, and I think there's three other games or whatever. Yeah, two other games.
I think at Texas AM and another game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I feel like Oklahoma plays one of those games every couple of years where it's like the season opener in Jerry World. Right.
But yeah, Kyler Murray just owns that building. Yes.
It's his.

Speaker 4 I don't think he's ever lost in the state of Texas, by the way. He never lost in high school.
He never lost in high school.

Speaker 4 I'm almost positive he's never lost a competitive football game in the state of Texas. He won every Red River?

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 4 that's in Dallas. Yeah, but he didn't see.
Remember, he wasn't at Oklahoma his whole four years. Right, but every one that he played in.
I believe so. Find it for us.
Yes. And right now.

Speaker 4 I'm seeing 49 and 3 since high school. Since high school? In the state of Texas? Yeah.
When

Speaker 4 he lost it.

Speaker 4 Shit.

Speaker 4 All right. It would have been cooler if he had never lost in the state of Texas.

Speaker 4 Right now, it looks like there's a good chance that they will be playing at ATT Stadium in the opening round of the playoffs, too. Yes.
That's an issue. All right, so 2017 and 2018.
No, yeah, see,

Speaker 4 he only played one real full year at Oklahoma. So, and I think I'm pretty sure

Speaker 4 they won Red River that year. Get on that, Jake.
That's a big.

Speaker 4 If he's never lost in the state of Texas, I might have totally made that up, but that would be fucking cool. How cool would that be? Did Jake just say he lost three times?

Speaker 4 Yeah, but he said that was the first thing he saw. That's odd.
Yeah, I'll look for a better source.

Speaker 4 What was the source?

Speaker 4 Some guy with like 30 followers. Give us a shout out his name.

Speaker 4 This guy's Schittsburg Steelers guy.

Speaker 4 I put you on the spot. I'm sorry.
So Evening Fire. The Evening Fire.
Sounds kind of like... The podcast.
Oh.

Speaker 4 Actually, bleep out their podcast name. Yeah, fuck that.
Well, 49. You can have the four that's coming or shit.

Speaker 4 Okay, so I might have made up that. It sounds cool to say he's never lost a game in the state of Texas.
Let's just roll with that. Yeah.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 Gallup kind of concerns me because he's fucking good.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Cedric Wilson is not bad.

Speaker 4 The touchdown catch that he had where he tore his ACL on the catch, knowing that he tore the ACL in the process of stepping off that leg, I think it was his left leg that he pushed off of, did like a 180 in the air, held on to the ball in the end zone while his ACL was torn.

Speaker 4 Yep. Respect.
Yes. That's all Madden shit.
That is all Madden shit.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that was a crazy catch.

Speaker 4 I just don't, don't, I don't know. The Cowboys watching them,

Speaker 4 they concerned me. And that was a stupid bet.
And it was stupid right away. But whatever.

Speaker 4 The game could have been different, but we all know that the biggest obstacle to you winning this future bet is probably going to be Mike McCarthy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 His arteries are his weak link. He's the weak link to his team right now because the defense is awesome.

Speaker 4 The offense, when they have their shit together, is definitely good enough to win every game they play in with that defense. But then you have to trust Mike McCarthy, don't do anything stupid.

Speaker 4 And he kind of did something stupid in this game, which is he ran out of timeouts. Yep.
Was not able to challenge Chase Edmonds. Which was a fumble.
Which we think was a fumble.

Speaker 4 We're going to say it was a fumble. It was definitely a fumble.

Speaker 4 And so the game turns around at that point. The Cowboys have a chance to win.

Speaker 11 It's not under two minutes, though.

Speaker 4 No, it wasn't a two minute win. It was right before.

Speaker 4 Kyler Murray did actually lose to Texas. In his one Red River, so there's one loss.
We found one. Either way, it was cool when I said that he'd never lost in the state of Texas.

Speaker 4 We should just go with that. That sounds fucking cool.
The fact he never lost in high school is insane. Yeah.
And he's 9-0 in that building. That is confirmed.
Confirmed fact. But yeah, you're right.

Speaker 4 That timeout, like losing that timeout, that was, and it was, I don't know if they, I don't know if the Cardinals did it on purpose, but the reason why he used the timeout was there was a fourth and like, I don't know, five or fourth and goal on the five, and they brought out Prater, and Prater and Kyler Murray were on the field at the same time, And then they put Prater out wide.

Speaker 4 So the Cowboys were confused whether they were going to go for it or kick a field goal. Then they burned a timeout.
I don't know if that was intentional. I don't know either.
But

Speaker 4 I get the vibe that when Mike McCarthy is coaching football a lot of the times, he's just

Speaker 4 enjoying watching football from the sidelines. He just kind of gets lost in the game.
I would be in that same position, too.

Speaker 4 Sometimes if I'd be like at an NFL game on the sideline, I'd forget what my job was supposed to be, too, because I'd just be very enthralled by watching.

Speaker 4 He zones out. He kind of watches the game.
Yes, no, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I lost that bet. It was stupid.
I got swept up in the moment. I've been thinking about

Speaker 4 how can I find a way the Packers aren't going to win the Super Bowl?

Speaker 4 Oh, the Cowboys, I think, are undervalued and really good. No, they're not.
They suck.

Speaker 4 Their offense is cloned.

Speaker 4 To be fair, I have to be exactly fair about the Cowboys as I am about the Rams and the Colts. Can the Cowboys put together four games in a row offensively that can win a Super Bowl? No, they can't.

Speaker 4 Because they haven't. So they can't.
So I'm an idiot. So right now it would be looking like they'd go to Lambeau in the second round.
Great. Right.
Get it over with.

Speaker 4 Lose that game, and I'll just be drowning in sorrow. Great.
Awesome.

Speaker 4 Fucking cow. I do like them better than the Rams, though.

Speaker 4 Yeah. And it's not, and people say it's recency bias with the Washington football team game.
I was talking about this bet before that. I've been talking about this bet for like three weeks.

Speaker 4 I'm an idiot. I timed it so it already went from 10 to 1 to 12 to 1.
So I'm really an idiot. Way to go.
I might hop on it now. Yeah, hop on it with me.
Fucking stupid. Stupid.

Speaker 4 Cardinals, though, that was a big-time win. Cliff Kingsbury called a perfect last drive to salt the game away.
Kyler Murray made some big-time throws. Like, that's the card.

Speaker 4 As bad as the Cardinals have looked the last few weeks, that's the team where you're like, okay, they could beat anyone.

Speaker 4 And they still don't have DeAndre Hopkins. It's helpful when they have A.J.
Green making big catches down the field. Yeah.
He was. So credit to the Cardinals.

Speaker 4 Like, they deserve absolute big-time credit. It felt like they were a sinking ship.
That's a huge win. They can still win the AFC or the NFC West if they win and the Rams lose.

Speaker 4 So that's like, I mean, that would obviously change a lot of the picture because then the Cardinals would get home field for the first round. They stink at home, though.
That is true.

Speaker 4 That's the issue. Yes, that is true.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Kyler Murray's never won in the state of Arizona. That's true.
He's never won in the state. He's over in the state of Arizona.

Speaker 4 Yeah, if he goes, if the Cardinals go back to the AT ⁇ T, I'm just going to burn that money. Like, he's just burning it because he's going to win again.
He'll go 10-0 in that building.

Speaker 4 Something about it. I do believe in that shit.
Like, he's just something about being in that building. He's just going to dominate.

Speaker 4 Okay, let's do Football Guy of the Week, and then we'll wrap up with Who's Back of the Week. Maybe talk a little college.
I know Hank has college football on his who's back.

Speaker 4 Billy. Billy, how sickened are you by opt-outs?

Speaker 4 I mean, I'm actually saved that. Sorry, Hank has it for his who's back.
I want to hear your take on that.

Speaker 4 Congratulations to both Greg, Kittle, and Olson for winning Football Guy of the Week for week 16. You know, just guys being dudes on the sideline, nothing better than that.

Speaker 4 So now for our week 17 nominees, number one, Michael Freeman. Marcus Freeman.

Speaker 4 I love how they just won Football Guys of the Week just for roughhausen. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's as simple as getting into each other. The vote.
Says what the vote says.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Marcus Freeman. Michael Freeman, Marcus Freeman's father.
Got it.

Speaker 4 He didn't show up to his Fiesta Bowl as he was the head coach of Notre Dame because growing up he taught him that he's no better than anybody else no matter how successful he gets.

Speaker 4 So he wasn't going to show up to his game and just sit on his couch because that's what he always did. And why should he treat this game as special? That's a football guy kind of move.
I love it.

Speaker 4 He just didn't show up.

Speaker 4 Kind of like Marcus Freeman in the second half. Exactly.
In a lot of sports movies, there's always that one moment where the main character looks at the stands to see if his dad's there. Yeah.

Speaker 4 His dad's not, but it just makes him continue to work harder. Right.
So that's what Mr. Freeman is doing to Mr.
Freeman. Right.
Exactly. Second nominee, Jalen Warren, running back for Oklahoma State.

Speaker 4 This story comes from after the Big 12 championship game.

Speaker 4 He was so frustrated that he couldn't play and help the team, so that he walked from the Stillwater airport back to his dorm on a bad ankle after the team arrived home.

Speaker 4 He walked 3.2 miles from the airport to his dorm on a bad ankle because he was so frustrated he couldn't help his team and just decided to go totally out of the way.

Speaker 4 So, he can't help his team even more because

Speaker 4 it's like when we were in Chicago and PFT had a broken foot and he walked on it and it like turned blue. Yeah, it was bad.
It was really bad. I have never been the same since.
It was really bad.

Speaker 4 I used to be able to dunk.

Speaker 4 All his teammates circled back to offer him a ride, and he refused all of them. Yeah, it seems more dumb.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like,

Speaker 4 I could see you trying to make the walk back, and then maybe by the time your second teammate drives past you, you're like, yeah, you know what? I've proved my point. I was going to walk.

Speaker 4 Also, it concerns me that it sounds like he leaked the story of, like, I wanted to walk home from the airport. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Okay. There's no sadder walk, I think, than walking home from the airport.
No. No.
You might as well just be like a hobo with a stick with a rag tied to the end of it. It's bad.

Speaker 4 A lot of mental toughness, though. Yeah.
Number three, Rob Gronkowski, tight end for the Buccaneers. So he had a great line when asked about the Antonio Brown situation.

Speaker 4 He just said, I don't know what happened. I was too busy smashing helmets with 300-pound linemen.
Nice.

Speaker 4 That's the only input you'd think Robot. I actually think he's being honest.

Speaker 4 I think he probably, when he gets on the plane, he's like, where's A.B.?

Speaker 4 That's just, it's a good answer for any football player to have when asked about anything that you don't want to answer. Yes.
I don't know. I was busy smashing my helmet against a 300-pound lineman.

Speaker 4 Yes. Boom.
Easy. He's got CTE,

Speaker 4 according to doctors on Twitter. Last nominee, Joe Burrow, quarterback for Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 4 Joe Burrow played a lot of the game without his name plate on his back because he plays for the team on the front, not for the one on the back. Slash was ripped off.
Exactly.

Speaker 4 It had Frank the tank in a fucking blunder every time they showed him. He's like, where the hell is his name plate?

Speaker 4 Like, I don't know. If he's the only guy that doesn't have one, then you know who he is.
Yes. Kind of look a lot like the Bobby Boucher jersey.
Okay, those references.

Speaker 4 And now for the old school football guy of the week, you know, with John Madden passing, one of the ultimate football guys, I just have a story about when John Madden, there was a Patriots player when he was coaching for the Raiders who cracked his vertebrae and the Patriots were flying home, and this player had to stay.

Speaker 4 John Madden stayed with this player in the hospital when all of his team and coaches had flown back east and saved his life once when he was choking because his tube had slipped out of his.

Speaker 4 Wait, what? John Madden was in the hospital, saw the guy choking.

Speaker 4 Where was John Madden coaching? John Madden.

Speaker 11 Is my mic working? He was coaching the Raiders. The guy got injured in the game and basically like he got sent to the hospital.

Speaker 4 Raiders player or Patriots? Patriots player. Patriots player.
Okay.

Speaker 11 The Patriots are getting on the bus and John Madden basically like went to the plane, got on the plane and was like, you need to to keep someone here to watch this player, made a PR person stay around, and then John Madden basically like went to the hospital, stayed at the hospital with him.

Speaker 11 He was going to visit him at the hospital, and the hose that was going in his neck or whatever like slipped. It was basically suffocating him.

Speaker 11 John Madden noticed it, was like, hey, hey, hey, grab the nurse. John Madden wasn't there,

Speaker 11 the guy probably would have died. And then continued his friendship with him.

Speaker 11 over the years and you know stayed very close with him okay thanks hank yeah you're welcome sorry i saw Big Cat was kind of.

Speaker 4 I was confused. Yeah, yeah, I was confused.
I'm just gonna read the passage. Oh, here.
No, read the passage. No, Hank did a great job.
Read the passage. That was basically, yeah.
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 That's a great story. I'd never heard that story.
I got confused. I'm sorry.
No, no, Hank did a great job. Yeah.

Speaker 4 How do you feel if you're the Patriots coach at that point? Like, another man saved your player's life.

Speaker 4 Yeah, you got cocked. Yeah.
Yeah. John Madden, I mean, the legend, forever.
Was it anything else? That was our football. Are you mad that I got confused? No, no.

Speaker 4 You threw the windpipe thing in late. I was like, what's going on now?

Speaker 4 That was a great job, Billy. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Thank you, Hank. Yeah, thanks, Hank.
Thanks for the save hand. Thank you.

Speaker 4 Great football guys. Go vote now on the blog, correct? Hank just maddened your throwback football guy.

Speaker 4 I know. He really stayed in the hospital on that one.
He saved it.

Speaker 4 He saw you joking, and he fucking got you, got it out of your mouth. Exactly.
All right, should we do who's back of the week? Yep. Wrap it up.
I mean, the college football playoffs were...

Speaker 4 We'll talk some bullseason. I think we'll have Kirk Herbstreet on on Wednesday, but yeah.
The

Speaker 4 semifinal,

Speaker 4 we need to expand the playoffs, not just like it's going to end up the same way, but at least we'll have some fun games beforehand. I wish there was a third-place game.

Speaker 4 That would be Michigan, Cincinnati. Yeah, that would be fun.
That's true.

Speaker 11 Well, that would kind of lead me to my who's back of the week, PFT, because if we had a third-place game, all the players would probably opt out.

Speaker 11 My who's back of the week is debates over players playing or not playing in bowl games. Big had alluded to Kirk Herbstreet on the pregame before the playoff.

Speaker 11 He basically, or no, before the Matt Corral Ol Miss game,

Speaker 11 he was saying that players should play and saying all the stuff.

Speaker 11 People were very mad at him for, you know, basically saying that players should be playing in bowl games regardless of their draft status or whatever.

Speaker 11 They should be playing for the team and not worrying about their future and millions of dollars being up in the air if they happen to get injured, which Matt Corral got injured in a meaningless game.

Speaker 11 So that kind of put fuel on the fire of the debate.

Speaker 4 I don't think that Matt Corral is going to miss out on any money, though. Now, it's not to say that it could never happen because it has happened before.

Speaker 4 Like Jalen Smith, when he was playing in the bowl game, had the devastating knee injury. It cost him a shitload of money and a lot of draft position.

Speaker 4 We don't know what's going to happen with Matt Corral.

Speaker 4 In fact, I would say that there's probably a pretty good likelihood that there are a ton of NFL GMs who would probably bump somebody up in their draft stock if they're like, oh, this guy wanted to play in the bowl game.

Speaker 4 That's just how a lot of NFL GMs think, like this guy's here for his team. But I think it's probably, we probably have a similar opinion on this.

Speaker 4 But if any player in college football decides at any time, like I'd rather not risk injury and then enter the draft, it could be for a bowl game. It could be in the middle of the year.

Speaker 4 It could be whenever. If he's like, you know what, I'd rather play in the NFL.
That's kind of the game. That's kind of like, okay, you're not getting paid at this level.
You want to get paid?

Speaker 4 I like it when players stick around and play, personally. As a fan, I think it's cool.

Speaker 4 But I don't think that my opinion on whether or not I like it should enter their calculation of whether or not they want to hold out for the next level.

Speaker 4 Yeah, no, it's very weird that it becomes like this raging debate when it's like these guys have...

Speaker 4 They should get to do whatever they want to do. It's their personal choice.
And the part that bothers me is more when someone does get hurt, everyone's like, oh, he shouldn't have played.

Speaker 4 No, fuck that. If a guy wants to play, if a guy, if it means something to him to play one last game with his teammates, whether it's a meaningful game or not,

Speaker 4 he should get to do that. Like, that's his choice.
Just like it's a choice. I also think when you have like opt-outs, the Rose Bowl was fucking incredible.
Do you know why it was incredible?

Speaker 4 Because can you give me the pronunciation on the Ohio State receiver's name? I don't want to mess it up. I believe it's Smith and Jingba.
Was insane.

Speaker 4 Do you know how many, like, he was was good all year, but Chris Olave not playing, let him step up into a bigger role.

Speaker 4 Like, it also, when you have opt-outs, you get guys that are underclassmen that have a chance to shine in big-time moments. So, I just, it's always, it's bizarre to me.

Speaker 4 I also think that there's so many people who judge these kids. And actually, I don't think there's that many people who have the opinion that kids shouldn't opt out anymore.
I really think so.

Speaker 4 No, I don't think so either. It's starting to, like,

Speaker 4 player movement and player independence in all sports has completely shifted. Where I think most people take sides of players, not owners anymore.

Speaker 4 So it's very, like, it's one of those Twitter arguments that it feels like everyone's just yelling at like three people, like Danny Cannell and

Speaker 4 I don't know who else. Herbie and Desmond Howard.
Yeah, like

Speaker 4 who are we arguing with? But at the end of the day, like guys should get to decide what they want to decide, what's best for them.

Speaker 11 People think it's ESPN because they're the ones that are not benefiting from the best parts of the world.

Speaker 4 We should talk to Herbie about that because that is a fair criticism. I think that does have something to do with it because they want to be able to sell all their bowl games.
Right.

Speaker 4 And it's way easier. I'd watch anyway.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 A lot of people would watch anyway, but they definitely have a significant financial interest in the best players and the players that you know playing in these big games.

Speaker 4 I think people would watch regard.

Speaker 4 There's so many fans of college football that don't even know the big-time player.

Speaker 4 Like, you know, your team's big-time players, but I think that's part of why college football is great is you watch the jerseys. You know what I mean? Like, you're Notre Dame's playing in a game.

Speaker 4 Did

Speaker 4 people who watch that game was probably watched by millions and millions of people?

Speaker 4 There was probably millions and millions of people that didn't realize that Notre Dame didn't have their two best players in the game.

Speaker 4 Like, I just think that people watch for the jerseys and the tradition and all that. So it doesn't really change that much when a guy wants to opt out to secure their financial future.

Speaker 4 And I, yeah, I mean, people watch bowl games. I love the argument of, like, there's too many bowls.
Do you know why there's too many bowls? You know why there's quote-unquote too many bowls?

Speaker 4 First of all, I do not think there are too many bowls. I think there's too few.
The reason why there's so many bowls is because everyone watches them.

Speaker 4 Bowl games on the pinstripe bowl gets more people watching it than like the premier Thursday night NBA basketball game. Yeah, would you rather watch football? Would you rather not watch it? Right.

Speaker 4 It's just like the reason why there are so many bowls is people watch them. We should come up with bowl game matchups for the NFL.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
After this,

Speaker 4 yeah, after this game, after the invite them, yes. And then invite all the teams and see who really loves football.
Yes, Billy.

Speaker 4 If the Bulls want those players who sit out to play in the games, they should pay those players. I agree.
That's actually a great idea.

Speaker 4 I think that, for the most part, college football fans in this circumstance exist in a pretty rational place of

Speaker 4 we want to see our players playing if they want to play. If they don't, we'll be disappointed, but we're not going to be like, fuck that guy.
He has no heart.

Speaker 4 Most people understand the millions of dollars that could be at stake. No.

Speaker 4 And they would prefer to see their favorite players play, but they don't have any severe animosity against the guy for not doing it.

Speaker 4 The last thing I'll say about it is, and I do think that we all freak out about injuries to a point that's just, like, insane given where we are with, like, science and rehab and all this stuff.

Speaker 4 I always point back, Alex Smith played football again. Alex Smith, his leg fell off.
He played football again. It's not like it's 1960 when

Speaker 4 you tear your ACL and your career's over. But if Alex Smith had that happened to him, he probably wouldn't have played football again.

Speaker 4 If it happened to him in college, like he was not, when he came back,

Speaker 4 the reason why he came back at the end was to prove that he could do it, and the team gave him a chance to do it because they're like, yes, thank you for what you've done for us.

Speaker 4 But I think that was age. He wasn't like an NFL quarterback.
Yeah, but he was 36, 37. He was at the end of his career regardless.
Yeah, I think if he had...

Speaker 4 If that had happened when he was 20, he still would have tried to play football. Now, obviously, that's a one in a million injury that would have cost him a lot of money.
I'm just saying, like,

Speaker 4 guys recover from ACLs. Guys recover from injuries so much differently than they did 20 years ago, 30 years ago.
You know what I mean? And it turns out that he's got, Corell has a sprained ankle.

Speaker 4 It's a high ankle sprain, so he's going to be fine. It's not going to affect his draft stock.
People were talking about millions of people.

Speaker 4 There were a lot of people that were rushing to be like, See,

Speaker 4 this is a nightmare. This is why.

Speaker 4 And I understand that some people want to be like protective of the players, but I feel like a lot of people also just want to be protective of their own takes correct and kind of be like, see, this is why I was right.

Speaker 4 Right. Not see, I'm so heartbroken for this kid.
And how many players play and they don't have any injuries? Like, you can't do that.

Speaker 4 That's the part that drives me nuts: don't judge a kid because he wants to play, just like don't judge a kid because he wants to opt out. They're the same situation.

Speaker 4 It's a give and take for sure. But you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4 Like, you know, that Dave Gettleman would look at a player that chooses to play in a quote-unquote meaningless bowl game and put like an extra plus next to his name. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And these guys actually do work in front offices across the NFL where you could make yourself more money by playing in a bowl game. Listen,

Speaker 4 Michael Parsons opted out last year.

Speaker 4 He's going to be rookie of the year, defensive rookie of the year, maybe even defensive player of the year, like in the running.

Speaker 4 There definitely were questions going into the draft of does he love football? Obviously, he loves football. We've watched some of the stuff when he gets mad that he gets pulled out of games.

Speaker 4 People get mad that scouts do their jobs. That's the

Speaker 4 other part of this whole entire debate. They get mad that a scout would say, oh, does this kid love football? Because he opted out?

Speaker 4 They uncover everything about all, like, you're making an insane investment in a player. You want to know that they love football.
And, well, here's what you can opt out and still love football.

Speaker 4 I'm just saying, there will be people who ask it. Here's what's crazy is dirty little secret.
You cannot love football and still be really good at it. Correct.

Speaker 4 And still make a shitload of money and still win a Super Bowl. Correct.
Even if you don't love football. Now, it's better probably in the eyes of almost every scout.
Well, there's probably do.

Speaker 4 It's probably a higher hit rate of draft picks that love football that pan out versus draft picks that don't love football. But it's crazy.

Speaker 4 Like, that's the last element of it is people get offended that a scout would say, oh, I'd prefer my guys to not opt out. That doesn't mean that they should still do their personal choice.

Speaker 4 That's part of the personal choice.

Speaker 4 It is. It is, yeah.
All of it. No, if you want to come back and play, that's great.
Good for you. If you don't, that's good for you, too.
Don't shame them either way. That's my point.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 Good who's back, Hank. PFT, your who's back.
My who's back of the week is the low man trophy. Yes.

Speaker 4 So tonight, it's Monday, tonight at halftime of the Steelers-Browns game, Big Ben's home swan song, we're going to be awarding the lowman trophy to the nation's top collegiate fullback.

Speaker 4 The ballots are in. They have been counted.
I know who won. Big Cat knows who won.
Yes. We've got an illustrious panel this year added some big names to it.

Speaker 4 So we're going to be putting out a video at halftime of Monday Night Football awarding the award, the most prestigious award in college football. It's a tire with a Chevy decal nailed to it.

Speaker 4 The grittiest trophy in sports. So all the fullbacks, actually, there was like a

Speaker 4 12-hour span where every game had a nominee for the lowman award in it, and they all scored like back-to-back to back-to-back. It was crazy.
It was a big day for fullbacks. I think that was Thursday.

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 4 I was dealing with issues. You would have loved the Wisconsin-Arizona State game because in the second half.
Oh, I watched it. You watched the game? Oh, yeah.
One in the morning? Oh, yeah. I was up.

Speaker 4 Wisconsin's exotic offense was running outside of the guards.

Speaker 4 That was when they were like, watch this play. We're going to open up the playbook.
No, it was great between the fullback offense that they were using and also he's only 17, guys. Yes, Braylon Allen.

Speaker 4 He's

Speaker 4 such a beast. I love him.
All right, my who's back is the Bulls, DeMar DeRosan, back-to-back buzzer beaters. That was insane.
That's it. First time ever.
First time ever.

Speaker 11 In back-to-back nights.

Speaker 4 And he's

Speaker 11 in back-to-back games, but there was a night off in between.

Speaker 4 And he'd never had one in his career, which is crazy. Are they the ones he does of right now? They're seasoned overall.

Speaker 4 I actually think they're very, very good, and they could compete with anyone in the East. The Warriors are a different,

Speaker 4 whole different situation.

Speaker 4 You think the Bulls compete with the Nets? Yes. The Nets are, like, are the Nets going to be healthy all the way through? Is Kyrie Irving going to keep his head on all the way through? I don't know.

Speaker 4 Like, there's the Nets.

Speaker 4 The Nets do not scare me.

Speaker 4 I mean, they do, but they don't because they can always find a way to Nets it up.

Speaker 4 The fact that the Warriors get clay back, too, is crazy. Like, that's best free free agent acquisition of the year.

Speaker 4 Billy.

Speaker 4 My use back of the week is feel good stories. So, this one's come from the NHL.
Vancouver Canucks assistant equipment manager had a fan point out a mole on his neck through the glass behind the bench.

Speaker 4 And turns out that the fan was a nurse and knew that the Vancouver Canucks assistant equipment manager had a cancerous mole on his neck. Whoa.
It was like the John Madden of hockey.

Speaker 11 Exactly.

Speaker 4 Through the glass, just put her cell phone up to the glass saying, You need to get that mole checked out on his neck. He got checked out.
Whoa. Saved the guy's life.
That's a crazy story.

Speaker 4 That's great. Wait, when was this?

Speaker 4 It's like a day ago or something. That's crazy.

Speaker 11 It happened a few years.

Speaker 4 Sorry, again, Billy. Oh, no.

Speaker 4 Oh, no.

Speaker 11 It happened a few years ago. He got checked out, got it all treated, and then I think either they were back where she was and they did a little ceremony, honored her, thanked her for, you know.

Speaker 4 Well, hey, it's new to me. And I'm glad that it was.
Well, no,

Speaker 11 the ceremony and like the whatever.

Speaker 4 The whole story is new to me. This is the first I'm hearing of it.
Because this could have been just a fan chirping somebody, being like, hey, you got a nasty mole in your neck. Right.

Speaker 4 That's a pretty good chirp. Right.
If you're a hockey fan at a game, but it turns out this person was doing it for an actual medical reasons. He saved his life.
Good for you. Damn.
That's crazy.

Speaker 11 And they gave her a $10,000 scholarship to med school.

Speaker 4 Whoa. Wait, but she was already...
Oh, she was a nurse. I don't know.
That's what Cam just told me. Oh, okay.
Damn.

Speaker 4 it's good who's back billy thanks

Speaker 4 jake

Speaker 4 uh jackson smith in jigba is the correct there we go

Speaker 4 he was so fucking good that was a

Speaker 4 that was a video game yeah it was sick i actually have also been thinking nick saban is essentially like

Speaker 4 does nick is nick saban ever gonna get bored he's he like when you play video games and it's you win too much and you're like, I gotta,

Speaker 4 I want to lose a couple games here. No, because he's a sociopath.
Yeah. So he has to keep winning.
It's crazy. He'll be bored when he's dead.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I hate to say it. My who's back is nose spray.
Oh, you dictate. I was in Florida.
Oh, no. Very stuffy, seasonal.
You didn't sit next to a dog. Environment.
And it's not.

Speaker 4 It was very stuffy. I just had to do it.
It felt great, but I'm not going to continue to do it. But you just said you've been doing it.
I did it once. Just once.
Yes, just once. By yourself? Or

Speaker 4 this is how you fall back. Are you spraying alone? God damn it, you.
Spraying alone. God damn it.
I'm worried about you. He's back, but hopefully not for a while.
Damn. We'll see.

Speaker 4 All right, anything else? You know, that center, Garrett Bradbury, caught the tip pass.

Speaker 4 No. On the Vikings? Okay.
I think it happened while we were recording. Yeah.
Played tight end in college. Oh, okay.
Little, because everyone was like,

Speaker 4 he's an offensive guard. He must have been thinking of that for a while.
And then he's like, no, he's actually pretty good at tight end. Yeah.
You don't really see that happen too much, do you? No.

Speaker 4 Oh, look, they got the

Speaker 4 Steve Kornacki at this hour. Like it's a fucking election.

Speaker 4 Okay, so. Some votes are going to come in overnight for the Steelers have 5% chance.
Damn. That sucks for them.
Oh, yeah, big kid. I believe, by the way, the Jaguars have not locked up.
Oh.

Speaker 4 Number one, they're a half game behind the Lions, so I think if the Jaguars win and the Lions lose. Oh.
Because they're 2-14 and 2-13-1. You know what? I hope the Lions get the second pick.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 That would be nice. It would be nice to see.
The The Jaguars fans were going to come after you. It would be nice to look back at you.
Oh, the Jaguars fans.

Speaker 4 Yeah, they're definitely going to come after you. Chaps.
Chaps. Or the Lions fans.
Chaps are going to come all over yourself. What about us?

Speaker 4 Clown faces. They got the clowns.
That's a little bit of a cell phone.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You're making yourself a clown.

Speaker 4 Yeah, like I, because if you're in Jaguars' Twitter community, you get it. But everyone else, you look at it and you're like, wait, what? Are you a clown?

Speaker 4 Is that part of it? They're saying Shad khan's a clown right yeah they're saying their owner is a clown yeah that's a that you just you cell phoned yourself yeah bad

Speaker 4 hank which one did i say there

Speaker 4 that was correct i said cell phone there no i said self-owned no i said cell phone right self-owned i'm getting a new cell phone

Speaker 11 that's different than what you said okay

Speaker 4 um

Speaker 4 billy any update on our nutrition stack yeah sups are in all of Sups are in. Sups are in.

Speaker 4 The only thing that hasn't come in is those weekly pill things that you can put the pills in to organize it for all y'all, but they're coming in soon.

Speaker 4 So, somebody pointed out to me online, and I noticed that you liked the tweet.

Speaker 4 They said Billy clearly doesn't have individualized plans for you guys. He just gave you guys the exact same supplements, and you tried to talk your way out of it.

Speaker 4 Is that true, or do you actually have individualized plans? Well, I do have individualized platform. I have fat, like, metabolism speeding up

Speaker 4 stuff for big cat and then i have for you more of like muscle building like stuff that will get you going and for hank i sort of when i i i don't see hank really putting on muscle but i see him getting more leaner and toner nice soccer body cool exactly like we're gonna turn hank into ronaldo Big cat into Slim Cat.

Speaker 4 He's been there before. Yeah.
And then you into something like... I'm aiming for like kind of Liver King, but I see.
Kind of Liver King. Nice.
I don't think you can be kind of Liver King.

Speaker 4 I think either you live the hunter-gatherer lifestyle or you don't. Were you shocked when you saw that video of me and Dave playing against Tony Scheffler in his driveway? Yeah.

Speaker 4 That's probably about 40 pounds, 50 pounds ago. Yeah.

Speaker 4 Do you think there's any chance we could meet at 200 pounds?

Speaker 4 If I was incentivized, yes. Yeah, I think I could get up to 200 pounds of muscle.
Yes. Mostly muscle.
Right now, I'm probably like 163. What are you? I'm 247.

Speaker 4 I think we could meet it. The first 10 is going to fly off.
What would it take for us to try to meet at 200 by the end of the year? 84-pound difference? I could get to 200 by 5 if I was incentivized.

Speaker 4 Yeah. But who's going to incentivize us?

Speaker 4 I don't know if you know somebody out there that wants to. Bezos, get at us, bro.
How about PFT and I split a billy if we can get to 200, meet at 200? Deal.

Speaker 4 Damn. I'll do that.

Speaker 4 Wait, before taxes?

Speaker 4 Fuck it. Yeah, all right.
We'll do before taxes. We'll do before taxes.
We'll pay taxes on the Billy. Not like he's going to.

Speaker 11 Billy.

Speaker 4 All right. Billy's going to.
Oh, go get a number. Go get a number.
We've all been worried about Billy

Speaker 4 killing us and taking our job. I think that it's pretty likely that Billy's going to accidentally kill us.
Yeah. Like, completely unintentionally.
Yeah. No, this is going to be bad for me.
22.

Speaker 4 Trevon Diggs is the Eagle.

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Speaker 4 Mika Parsons is the lion who owns the ground. I saw that.
That was sick. That's a fact.
Yeah, except then they lost the family. RFT Betty White, also.
Oh, yeah. Longtime Stoole.

Speaker 4 She got Madden cursed by People Magazine.

Speaker 4 She was so close. It's kind of funny, actually.
Why would you ever allow them to run the congratulations on turning 100?

Speaker 4 But that's like that. I think actually, Betty White, knowing her sense of humor, she's like, yeah, run it.
I'm just going to fucking die.

Speaker 11 86.

Speaker 4 86. Fuck.

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