Former NFL GM Mike Tannenbaum, Football Is Back + Mt Rushmore Of Pizza Toppings

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Speaker 1 On today's part of my take, we have former GM of the Jets and former vice president of football ops for the Dolphins, Mike Tanibaum, same guy. He now works for ESPN.

Speaker 1 He was in person, great interview, a little different because it was a lot of inside the NFL, how a front office works.

Speaker 1 We also held his feet to the fire on a couple of his takes against Baker Mayfield. So shout out, Baker.
We got your back still.

Speaker 1 We have football back officially. A little Olympics talk.
USA basketball is back. Fire Fest of the Week.
And we're going to go back to basics with our Mount Rushmore.

Speaker 1 So we did a couple outside the box. Now we're coming back

Speaker 1 down the fairway here with Mount Rushmore of Pizza Toppings. We're going to do all of that in a second.

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Send us those blue mountains. It is the weekend.

Speaker 1 It is Friday, August 6th, and football is officially back. We got football, baby.

Speaker 4 We're recording this earlier in the day. It's 12.10 in the afternoon.
Yes. But I can tell you what happened at the Hall of Fame game tonight already.
Ben Roethlisberger was there. Yes.

Speaker 4 He was on the sidelines.

Speaker 1 Sunflower seeds.

Speaker 4 Sunflower. No.

Speaker 4 Gum.

Speaker 1 Gum. Actually, no, turkey.

Speaker 1 Gum.

Speaker 1 How about it would be like kung pao chicken flavored gum. It might have just been kung pao chicken.

Speaker 4 He might have had just a PF smoothie, just a mixture of all the appetizers blended into one creamy drink. But Ben was on the sidelines.
He looked, some people think that he looked good tonight.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 1 So when people

Speaker 1 shit on the first preseason games and the Hall of Fame game, they don't realize what this does for us.

Speaker 1 Tonight is all about just getting your eyes used to the colors on the screen, a ball moving back and forth, the helmets, the score, all that stuff. It doesn't, we know the game stinks.

Speaker 1 I think the over-under was like 32.5 tonight. We know that it's

Speaker 1 the Hall of Fame game has changed. Where it used to be, you'd get maybe like a series of the starters.
Now we get nothing. We get like all backups all the time.
And I get it. I understand it.

Speaker 1 It's about just getting yourself in the motion, feeling like it's a practice swing. It's not even a practice swing.

Speaker 1 It's looking at the pitcher, timing the pitcher mentally from the dugout. The practice swings are like week three of the preseason.

Speaker 4 This is going to be important tonight for a couple reasons. One, we get Gucci DiNucci back on the field on the TV.
It's actually better.

Speaker 4 I like the fact that we've got Ben DiNucci playing quarterback tonight because it feels like he's a starting quarterback in a weird way because we did see him start a primetime game last.

Speaker 4 Yes, so it's like, oh, yeah, this means more. This Hall of Fame year, I recognize that guy.

Speaker 4 So we've got Gucci DiNucci, and then we've also got whatever new curveballs that Fox is going to throw at us with the score bugs and like the different graphics on screen.

Speaker 4 This is our first time seeing Fox tonight?

Speaker 1 I think it's our

Speaker 7 MSA. Gets you back to Joe Bach.

Speaker 1 Joe Bach, yeah, okay. And Tom Rinaldi, yeah, the number one team.
Love it. Love it.

Speaker 4 Is the goose going to be on the sideline?

Speaker 1 No, bring him back. Bring back the goose.

Speaker 7 Aikman, Aaron Andrews, and Tom Rinaldo.

Speaker 4 It's fucking disgusting.

Speaker 4 We have to be begging Fox to put Tony Suragusa back in a small hat. In a small hat.

Speaker 1 Big coat.

Speaker 4 Just wearing whatever he still has in his closet from

Speaker 4 when he had his cameo on the Sopranos.

Speaker 1 Looking like a bear.

Speaker 4 Get him back there. But it is going to be interesting to see what weird flag graphics they have for us.

Speaker 4 Player intros.

Speaker 1 Get mad about that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's just stuff to get mad about in the new broadcast. And you know what?

Speaker 1 It's also stuff where once the actual regular games start happening and people start complaining in week one about the new things be like dude i i was mad about this a month ago yeah you're listen you're casual you you miss one very important thing that's happening tonight this is time traveling night because the cowboys are on hard knocks hard knocks starts on tuesday which we will obviously be reviewing uh right after every show or after the hard knock show so we get to watch things happen in the game and be like ooh i bet that's going to be on hard knocks usually the first preseason game, you get one guy who's like the 85th guy on the roster who returns a punt.

Speaker 1 You're like, ooh, maybe he'll make the team. Probably won't, but for at least a little bit, you'll think maybe he'll make the team.

Speaker 1 But I love trying to figure out what's going to be on hard knocks and then seeing it and be like, oh, fuck, it's the verbal meme, Leo. Yeah.
Leo's pointing at the TV, being like, I saw that.

Speaker 1 I remember that.

Speaker 4 Right, because you get to see it on the fancy cameras.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I remember when I saw that in real life.

Speaker 4 Before you saw it on the television cameras. Okay, so is Jerry Jones going to be...
There are no owner's suites, as far as I know, in this stadium, governor's suites, excuse me.

Speaker 4 So is he going to be on the sideline the entire time, or is he just going to be parked in his bus with like a pair of binoculars?

Speaker 1 He's got a big party. He throws a big party, I think, every Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 Huge party. Weekend.

Speaker 1 So he throws a big party every weekend.

Speaker 4 Jerry might not be there, but I do think that Mike McCarthy, knowing that the Hard Knox cameras are going to be on him, and he knows that Jerry Jones is going to watch every episode of Hard Knox because Jerry's a big, like, flashy TV guy.

Speaker 4 I want to see what the media is saying about me all the time. Mike McCarthy, I think, this preseason is going to really kind of let it all hang out.

Speaker 1 I would like Mike McCarthy,

Speaker 1 noted watermelon smasher, to use it as a preseason, maybe smash like a single grape before the game.

Speaker 4 Yeah, just in between his fingers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just be like, well, look at this guy's make some wine.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 1 All right, so something to think about.

Speaker 4 For that reason, I'm going to take the Cowboys in the game tonight just because I think that McCarthy, he knows that Jerry Jones has his like Emperor Palpatine breath breathing down his neck all the time.

Speaker 4 So he wants to set a tone, and he knows that he's on hard knocks. What's that? What's that, Hank?

Speaker 3 That came out of nowhere.

Speaker 4 Just because I haven't ever watched Star Wars doesn't mean I can't make the references.

Speaker 1 Fair enough. Sick reference.
Yes, bro. It was a sick reference.
I've also never watched Star Wars.

Speaker 1 Does he look like Emperor Palpatine or not? Yeah, no, he doesn't. All right, there it is.
It worked. It was.
I wasn't.

Speaker 3 I was just taking it back.

Speaker 1 Let me cook over here. No, it was great.

Speaker 4 I was like fully supportive.

Speaker 1 All right. So, yeah, football's back.
We also, Joe Judge is now, it's an arms race between Joe Judge and Dan Campbell, who can be more hilarious in their football guy-ish

Speaker 1 characteristics. So you had Dan Campbell talking about fighting.
You had him talking about

Speaker 1 200 milligrams of caffeine that he consumes every morning. It was more than that.
It was insane. But then Joe Judge comes over the top.

Speaker 1 We talked about the scrum, the fight that happened at Giants Camp on Wednesday, I think it was, or Tuesday.

Speaker 1 Joe Judge then came out afterwards the next day and he he said, I'm not going to lie, it turned me on a little seeing the guys that passionate.

Speaker 1 So he is, and I'm just going to say that's a, he's lying. It turned him on a lot.
Yeah. Like, there's no way it was just a little.

Speaker 4 No, he was full mass. He's bonking himself.
So just to fact check your stat a little bit there, big cat.

Speaker 1 You said, what, 200 milligrams? I don't know. I didn't know.

Speaker 4 It's 1,100 milligrams of caffeine.

Speaker 1 That's insane.

Speaker 1 I think it would kill him. I don't know.

Speaker 4 It would kill most small gorillas.

Speaker 4 I think that so 1,100 milligrams of caffeine.

Speaker 1 Put the clip in right here.

Speaker 1 Okay, put the clip in.

Speaker 3 Well, normally what I do is

Speaker 6 I'll get two Venti. I go to Starbucks, I get two Venti of the pipe with two shots in them.

Speaker 3 So black eye and both.

Speaker 6 That's what I come in with. That's how I start the day.

Speaker 4 So in perspective, like a C4, a C4 energy drink that you drink before a workout, that has 300 milligrams of caffeine. So this is nearly four C4s

Speaker 1 that he drinks every morning.

Speaker 4 Listen, I believe that Dan Campbell can process it.

Speaker 1 I'm going to figure out how much caffeine I drink a day.

Speaker 4 If you or I did it, we would die.

Speaker 1 Okay. I mean, like,

Speaker 1 literally die. I, just based off of Googling like how much in a large coffee, I probably have about 600 milligrams of caffeine a day.

Speaker 1 I drink about two large coffees and a cup of coffee in the morning. Okay.
So that's, I'm still halfway of what Dan Campbell, and I'm always caffeine. caffeine.

Speaker 4 So I'll drink a C4 in the morning if I'm going to the gym, and then I'll drink a cup of coffee at around noon with my lunch. So that brings me to about 500, 450

Speaker 1 per day. So combined, we're not drinking as much as Dan Campbell.

Speaker 4 Well, combined, we're not drinking as much caffeine as Dan Campbell does before 8 a.m. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 Guys, football guy. Yeah, he's just ready to roll.

Speaker 4 I actually think that Dan Campbell would have his testicles replaced with little mini footballs. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, depending on how much

Speaker 1 if he's done having kids. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because you know that's his team at home. Yeah.
You're right. You're right.

Speaker 4 Wife is the coach at the house.

Speaker 1 You got to take care of your team at home.

Speaker 1 All right. We also have Olympic Fever.
Where are we at? USA basketball is good again, so that's good. We have the finals against France.
We should

Speaker 4 say

Speaker 3 memes, our fact checker in the booth here, just said that the Joe Judge quote is from a fake account.

Speaker 1 No, everyone ran with it. Damn.
Oh, it can't be from a fake account. There was multiple blue check marks that ran with that.
That sucks. I'm not going to believe that.

Speaker 1 That's one of those ones that, even if it's fake, it's almost like the Waffle House guy. Even if that's fake, it's good enough that I'm running with it.

Speaker 4 I think that it's real. Yeah, I saw enough blue checks get duped by.
Hey, Billy.

Speaker 1 Billy's here.

Speaker 4 Billy just walked in.

Speaker 8 Thanks for telling me we moved it up.

Speaker 1 Whoa, you. Whoa.
So you come in here. Hold on, hold on.
Let's lay. Let's unpack this real quick.

Speaker 1 So I said 11:45.

Speaker 4 One o'clock.

Speaker 1 No, never. I thought thought 11.45.

Speaker 1 Can everyone have my bathroom?

Speaker 8 This conversation had when I was here.

Speaker 1 He had to leave by 1 o'clock. 1 o'clock.
I said noon, and then I moved it up 15 minutes, and we actually waited till 12.07 to start. So we gave you seven minutes.
That was miscommunication.

Speaker 1 Wow, just throw it. I guess I'm going to go.
No, no, no. I came 45 minutes earlier than I thought I was supposed to be here.

Speaker 1 How did you think we all got here? How do you think we all were here, though? Wait, Big Cat,

Speaker 4 you're missing the very important fact that Billy was 45 minutes early

Speaker 4 to being an hour and a half late.

Speaker 1 We weren't even mad. We were just like, this is, we looked at your last, what was his last tweet?

Speaker 4 No, so I checked. I was like, I hope Billy's okay.
Let's see what his last tweet was. And it was, black bears are scared of cats.

Speaker 8 Did you check the newest one?

Speaker 1 We waited till... Okay, I'm sorry.
No, you're fine. It's okay.
I mean, besides the whole saying that it was a miscommunication, which was not true.

Speaker 1 I'm not mad at you. No, we're not mad at you.
No, I'm definitely not mad. This is not a beat up on Billy.
We're having a great show.

Speaker 4 This is actually like 12 hours earlier than we normally take on a Thursday when we're

Speaker 1 super early.

Speaker 1 Oh, good. If we were in Tokyo, you'd be on time.

Speaker 4 Time zones, man.

Speaker 1 Time zones.

Speaker 4 Time zones and ooey gooey delivery cookies really messed you up. We were also thinking that you were just hungover from too many sweets last night.

Speaker 8 I did imbibe in some very good cookies last night.

Speaker 1 Yes. Billy, you've been crushing it, so I have no complaints.
Don't worry.

Speaker 8 I'm just more frustrated with myself.

Speaker 1 That's okay. There you go.
That's. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What is it? What's the old saying?

Speaker 1 When you're pointing a finger, four fingers are pointing back at you. Which is not actually true.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no one points with. Well, if you point with your thumb,

Speaker 1 Frank kind of points with his thumb when he gets tired, when his thumb gets tired.

Speaker 4 What if you do the Paulie walnuts, which is that one?

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's two back at you.
Two at you, two at me.

Speaker 4 Very efficient guy, that Paulie.

Speaker 1 All right, Olympics. We were talking Olympics.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the U.S. men's basketball team is back.
They better win gold. And you know what? Then we can do the whole, like, oh, I can't believe we doubted them.

Speaker 1 Speaking of doubting, did you guys see LeBron?

Speaker 1 He's laying the. What? Well, one.

Speaker 3 I tried to look last night. I heard that was free right away.

Speaker 1 He deleted it right away.

Speaker 1 All right, I'm going to pull it up. So he deleted it.

Speaker 1 I saw someone say that he died. I thought someone said he deleted it twice.

Speaker 4 Yeah, I have it right here. He said, keep talking about my squad, our personal ages, the way they play.
We're past our prime in this league, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 4 Do me one favor, please, all caps. And I mean, please, all caps, prayer hands emoji.
Keep that same narrative. Energy, all caps, when it begins.

Speaker 6 That's all I ask.

Speaker 4 Hashtag thank you, KingEmoji.

Speaker 1 And I told him, I was like, don't worry, I absolutely will keep that same energy.

Speaker 1 But I just want to point out that the Lakers are the odds on favor to win the West, and they have the second best odds to win the championship.

Speaker 4 I don't think they're odds on. They are favorites to win.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're favorites to win the West. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 they're second favorites to win the championship.

Speaker 4 And I'd like to point out that when he runs through this list of things, he's very clearly just singling out individual teammates that he has with every line that he delivers. So he's saying,

Speaker 4 keep talking about our personnel ages. So that's directly pointing at himself.
The way they play, that's Westbrook, excuse me, West Brick. We're past our time in this league, Carmelo Anthony.

Speaker 4 Oh, and also personnel ages, Dwight Howard. Yeah.
So

Speaker 4 he's singled out with each line who we should be attacking for him. Please give me a lot of time on that one.
Please, all caps.

Speaker 1 I'm going to keep that same energy. I promise.
This is my... Isn't that the name of his school? I promise.
Promise Academy. I promise to LeBron.
I will keep that same energy. You're welcome.

Speaker 1 Hashtag you're welcome, King.

Speaker 4 This is the part of my take, Promise Academy.

Speaker 1 All right, we will fulfill that. Let's talk about Olympians that are actually playing in the Olympics and actually care about our country.
So, yeah, the basketball, when is that game? Anyone?

Speaker 7 I believe it's 10.30 Eastern tomorrow, Friday night.

Speaker 1 10.30 Eastern p.m. Friday night.
Correct. So we double check something along the way.
On so we can watch it.

Speaker 1 On the cock.

Speaker 4 I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 Also, I had an epiphany today. I just, maybe it's the time zone.
Maybe it's the no crowds. But so our 4x100 team sucks.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 And there were like a lot of people who were like, This is a debacle. How are we so bad at this? I was like, I really just don't care.
Like, I want us to win, but if we don't,

Speaker 1 I don't lose any sleep over it.

Speaker 4 Well, I don't lose any sleep either, but I would, I would like to see them win just because I remember growing up, that 4x100 relay team was so good.

Speaker 1 And now

Speaker 4 they don't know how to pass a baton to each other.

Speaker 4 I pretend to care every four years during the Olympics. Yes,

Speaker 1 I was sick about that

Speaker 1 bat and pass.

Speaker 4 I was sick. The bat and pass was bad.

Speaker 1 Our shot putters were sick, were awesome. They were.
Those guys are, they need them all in the WWE. They're fucking beasts.

Speaker 4 It's so sick after they throw the shot putt. They'll scream.
They make tennis players look like giant P-words because they'll just scream out and they'll say things like a professional wrestler would.

Speaker 4 There was one guy,

Speaker 4 the dude from Oregon, that set the Olympic record last night. He throws a shot putt and then he goes like, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. No, they're wrestlers.
They are wrestlers that just aren't wrestlers yet. I also just love any sport that you can keep your shirt on the whole time.
They're just wearing t-shirts. Yep.

Speaker 1 That's the best sport that's ever been created.

Speaker 4 There was a little suggestion for how to fix the 4x100 relay team. It's actually pretty simple.
Just practice with a tic-tac. Practice with something smaller.
Or practice.

Speaker 1 Yeah, just practice. It seemed like they didn't practice

Speaker 1 at all.

Speaker 4 We can take that back to square one and say, just practice with each other eventually.

Speaker 1 Carl Lewis just roasted them. Yep.
Man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then the only other fix I had was I was watching the climbing. You can't have ropes.
You just can't. Like, they just,

Speaker 1 what? They just go balls to the wall, up the wall. Like,

Speaker 1 there's no fear of death or injury or anything. It's just not real.

Speaker 1 I need them to free solo up the wall.

Speaker 4 Back to the U.S. basketball team real quick.
If you saw the first half of the game last night, I thought we were going to get our asses kicked. It was as bad as it's been.

Speaker 4 It was to the point where it was, our offense was just,

Speaker 4 if you happen to get into a half-court set, just either give Katie the ball or give Dame the ball and then hope that their shot goes in.

Speaker 4 And fortunately, Katie is good enough where he kept it close, but like we were fucking awful in the first half. At halftime, Pop was probably like,

Speaker 4 whoever loses this game has to claim Kyrie Irving. And then they're like, okay, fuck, we better step it up for the second half.

Speaker 1 Hey, listen, I doubted them,

Speaker 1 but actually, you know,

Speaker 1 I don't think I doubted them, and then I found out that they were all just drunk the whole time in Vegas. So then I undoubted them.

Speaker 4 Well, they looked like they were high for the first half last night. It was really, really bad.
And I think, I don't know,

Speaker 4 there's absolutely something to be said for a team that has practiced more than like a week together playing in an international competition to the point where I feel like the winner of the basketball tournament could have put up a better performance in that first half than USA did.

Speaker 1 A little tip,

Speaker 1 the third place game between Slovenia and Australia. Australia, this group of Australians have never meddled.
They're going to have some extra motivation.

Speaker 1 And Luca, I think, got maybe a little dinged up. I don't know, I'm just saying.
Or to lock the century, Australia, third place game. You got to find the teams that actually, it's like bowl season.

Speaker 1 It's mini bowl season.

Speaker 3 You know, Delhi's going on in that game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like, what's the motivation here? Luca just carried his team to the semifinals, and now is he going to be like, I'm going to really want a bronze medal?

Speaker 1 Australia, that group together has never won a medal.

Speaker 4 Well, it might be the only time that Luca's ever going to be in a semifinals.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's true. Never gets out of the first round.

Speaker 1 I can't wait to start that narrative next year.

Speaker 4 Is Luca, is he a coach killer?

Speaker 1 That's a good question.

Speaker 1 Is he a franchise killer? The Mavs have had some issues. He might be.

Speaker 1 All right. Anything else before we get to our Mount Rushmore?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 I'd like to apologize to Bryson DeCambeau.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Can I apologize?

Speaker 4 Yep, Bryson, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 We may have pointed some fingers.

Speaker 4 Billy, especially saying that, hey, maybe you just pretended to have COVID so that you wouldn't have to get drug tested at the Olympics where the standards are much stricter.

Speaker 4 I'm sorry for saying that. It turns out that Bryson, he's not sure sure how he got COVID.

Speaker 4 He doesn't have the vaccine, but he said that he didn't take the vaccine because he didn't want to take it away from someone else who might have needed it.

Speaker 4 How many lives do you think that Bryson Deshambox saved by pretending to get COVID?

Speaker 1 When I read that quote, I was like, is this quote from

Speaker 1 December? Yeah. Like, it made no sense.
You could, if you walk down the street in New York,

Speaker 1 you will get propositioned with the vaccine every other block. Yeah.

Speaker 8 I literally got the vaccine in Grand Central Station, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could get it. You just stumble into the vaccine.
But, Billy, how many people?

Speaker 4 But Bryson,

Speaker 4 how many people did you kill because you selfishly took the vaccine?

Speaker 8 I think there were more vaccines getting wasted.

Speaker 1 Did you see they're going to start paying influencers a thousand bucks to talk about the vaccine?

Speaker 1 I know you're a big vaccine guy, Billy.

Speaker 8 Can I become a vaccine influencer? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I think that'd be great. But you have to believe it.

Speaker 8 I will. It's called.

Speaker 1 If you have to get it again. You'll believe that it's good.

Speaker 8 I will get vaxed up six times. Like, once you get vaxxed, it's breaking the seal.

Speaker 1 We actually

Speaker 8 get vaxxed again. I will get six vaccines.

Speaker 8 It's a hundred bucks each, right?

Speaker 4 Yeah. Yeah, but if you talk about more, you'll be an influenza.

Speaker 3 And I think if you have, like, between a thousand and like a hundred thousand Instagram followers, they'll pay you like a thousand.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We should get a promo code, promo code Billy. If you show up and ask for the vaccine, promo code Billy.
Billy gets five bucks.

Speaker 8 Oh, that big pharma money.

Speaker 1 You could use all your pie energy into this.

Speaker 4 Perfect. A couple other things that I had.

Speaker 4 Ben Simmons says that he wants to play for the Warriors right now. So do I.
Apparently he's cut off all communications with the Philadelphia 76ers and says that he wants to play for the Warriors.

Speaker 4 I have three words. Two words, actually.
Shooters shoot.

Speaker 1 Shooters shoot.

Speaker 1 When I saw it, I was like, yeah, dude, we all do. We all would like to play with Steph.

Speaker 1 Also, I feel like he cut off communication with the Sixers a long time ago. They just happened to get to that now.
Right. Communication has still cut off.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 4 And then the bidding war is over. RG3 is back in the NFL.

Speaker 4 There's been a treaty signed, a peace treaty between Fox and ESPN.

Speaker 4 He's going on ESPN, but there's an out in his contract that says that if he gets signed to an NFL roster, he can leave ESPN mid-season.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 4 let's get RG3 back in the NFL.

Speaker 1 There's also two other things that just popped in my head.

Speaker 1 One, Phil Rivers opening the door or not closing the door on his career was the best news ever because we can hope is a dangerous thing, but it will carry us for at least a year or two thinking Phil Rivers may show up somewhere and we get him back in our lives.

Speaker 1 And then the clip of Jameis getting just ragdolled by

Speaker 1 the pads.

Speaker 1 I am so, so excited for Jameis Winston on Sundays. Like, I'm, I,

Speaker 1 I think we have to slow play it, though. We can't root for him to be full, hilarious Jameis throwing pick sixes because we don't want him to get benched.

Speaker 4 No, I want him to come out there and set the league on fire and then have one or two slapstick worthy plays per week.

Speaker 4 While he's still playing well, there are two quarterbacks in the history of the NFL that I think could have fit in seamlessly in the three Stooges. One is Eli Manning and the other is Jameis Winston.

Speaker 4 He's just hilarious to watch. He's got the best unintentional Pratt Falls ever.

Speaker 1 It's the best.

Speaker 4 So get excited. We want him to play well.
And with the Phillip Rivers thing, he said he went out of his way to say, I'm going to finish the season coaching football for my high school team.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 4 And then afterwards, I'll come back. So he's, this is actually, you know what? It's going to be Phillip Rivers doing another fourth quarter comeback, but this time for an entire season.

Speaker 1 I'm excited.

Speaker 4 And it's very clearly just an example of like he went home and he had to be a dad to nine kids for the first time in his life. And he was like, yeah, I don't think I'm retired yet.
This is a lot.

Speaker 4 I think I probably could use some time in the office.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right at the end of summer when school hasn't started back up and he should be at camp. Yeah.
And he's like, oh man. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 4 I kind of miss sleeping in a door.

Speaker 1 Yeah, this one's tough.

Speaker 1 All right, let's do our Mount Rushmore and then we have a great interview in person with Mike Tannenbaum talking about NFL front offices and how they work and everything behind that.

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Speaker 4 Ball 68. All right.
You're going 68?

Speaker 1 No, no, no. You just threw me that ball.
Okay. All right, so

Speaker 1 the Mount Rushmore of pizza toppings. We're going back to basics.
So we had a couple outside-the-box ones. Now, we did do,

Speaker 1 I tried to look it up because I didn't want to have a repeat, which we might have done on Monday by accident. We did the Mount Flushmore of Pizza Top, or toppings in general.

Speaker 1 So we have not done Mount Rushmore of Pizza Toppings.

Speaker 1 All right, Hank, your number. Four.

Speaker 4 Big Cat.

Speaker 1 What's yours? I'll go

Speaker 1 71.

Speaker 4 69.

Speaker 8 96. Okay.

Speaker 4 Oh, boy.

Speaker 4 I think I have PTSD from just ringing.

Speaker 1 71!

Speaker 1 That was my guess, right?

Speaker 1 I got it exactly.

Speaker 1 God damn it. Look at that.
That's such a fucking waste. You got to be kidding me.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 There's a few that are good.

Speaker 4 Wait, what order do you want to get?

Speaker 1 I'm figuring it out. I'm figuring it out.

Speaker 1 Let's go. Let's go Hank this way.
I think I can get what I want on the third.

Speaker 4 On the comeback? Yep. I'm starting.
Hank, you start.

Speaker 3 Pepperoni. Fuck.

Speaker 1 Okay. All right, that was a mistake.
That was maybe a mistake. That was one

Speaker 1 of those mistakes. That was maybe a mistake.
Hank, how are you feeling about your Mount Rushmore situation?

Speaker 3 I feel great.

Speaker 1 I feel great. Yeah.

Speaker 3 I've been in the lab, been working with my team, got a whole new strategy.

Speaker 1 When it was pointed out that your last Mount Rushmore, you just picked a bunch of teenagers and maybe some

Speaker 4 even younger, yeah, underage pre-people.

Speaker 1 Want to hang out with a high school girl?

Speaker 4 She's 18, first of all. But second of all, it's like I watched a cartoon when I was like 12.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 when I was 12,

Speaker 3 she was older in context when people were like, dude, like, you're trying to pick up. I was like, yeah, I guess, whatever.
But I think context matters with that.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 Billy, your first pick. And they're fucking cartoons, like parts.
Oh, whatever. Yeah.
All right.

Speaker 8 So for us New York guys who get real good pizza and don't really need toppings, oregano.

Speaker 1 Oregano.

Speaker 1 Oh, like shake? Yeah, a little oregano. Okay, okay.
I think it's a little bit of a title. I don't see a letter there.
Oregano. Oregon.
Oregano. All right, I'll one-up you then.
Oregon.

Speaker 1 I'll one-up you for the people that don't need toppings. The topping would just be cheese.
Plain. Plain.
Plain.

Speaker 1 Plain would be my. Yes.
Plain at this.

Speaker 1 If you can take plain anywhere.

Speaker 4 If you can do a plain pizza right, then I think that you can do everything else right. Exactly.
Start with Dave and build off that.

Speaker 1 Mr. Pizza Guy, Dave Portnoy, picks plain.
You don't think that's the topping?

Speaker 3 You call Pizza Place. You say, can I get a pizza? No toppings.

Speaker 1 All right, fine. I'll cheese on it.
I'll throw it out.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. I'm just like.

Speaker 3 No, No, I'm just, that's the only thing I'm saying.

Speaker 8 Cheese pizza.

Speaker 1 Cheese pizza. Yeah.

Speaker 4 All right. It's not really a topping, though.

Speaker 1 All right, so I'll

Speaker 1 do it.

Speaker 1 I don't want to be

Speaker 1 topping because if there's no cheese, then you're going to have a tomato topping. No, no, but that's a different topping.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 6 I have a question. I have a question.

Speaker 8 I have a question. What, like, if are different types of pizzas toppings or

Speaker 1 all right, I'm going to change it. I'm going to change it.

Speaker 1 I don't know what that question was. I'm going to pretend to be a little bit more pleased.
No, but like white

Speaker 1 turtles again. I thought we were doing a basic Mount Rushmore.
I might have fucked it up. I'll take pictures of that.
What about white pizza? Wait, now white pizza?

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 But because you're asking if removing a topping counts as a topping.

Speaker 1 No, it doesn't.

Speaker 8 It's an anti-topping.

Speaker 1 All right, I'll do, I'll change. I'll do, I'm going to get a lot of heat for this one, but I don't give a fuck.
Pineapple. Fuck you, big.
No, no, no. Hawaiian, dude, Hawaiian.

Speaker 1 That's pineapple.

Speaker 4 I was going to go with ham and pineapple

Speaker 1 and just

Speaker 1 love to hate on pineapple.

Speaker 4 Hawaiian delicious is delicious. Yes.
So now I've got to do an audible because I was just going to create an entire Hawaiian pizza.

Speaker 1 No, I had to do an audible because I was going to create a plain pizza. That's fine.

Speaker 4 I'm going to go with ham.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 Ham's a good topping. Ham is a very underrated pizza topping, I think.
And then I'm going to go with

Speaker 1 what? What, Hank?

Speaker 3 Literally nothing. I am literally looking at my list, like not.
I didn't make a facial expression.

Speaker 1 Yes, you did.

Speaker 4 I just saw you. Did you make a list for this one?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Okay. Hank literally just went like this.

Speaker 1 No, no. Literally, no.
Hank's got to tell. You guys.
Just check out an Oreo and he listened to it. You guys are like trying to.

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 I'm literally just like. Let's keep going.
Let's keep going.

Speaker 1 I'm just existing in the studio, and everyone's coming out my neck.

Speaker 4 I'm going to go ham, and then since I can't go with pineapple,

Speaker 4 I'm going to go with.

Speaker 1 I like black olives.

Speaker 1 I had it on my list.

Speaker 4 I had it on my my list. Black olives have the most flavor for a surface area of any pizza topping.

Speaker 1 I can't believe this lasted this long. I'm going to take sautéed onions.
Or just onions.

Speaker 1 Do I have to clarify? Just onions. Onions.
All right. Fine.
Just onions. Put it in as onions.

Speaker 4 Especially if you come. If you took ham, pineapple, and onions, then that's a pizza fit for a king.

Speaker 1 Yes, it is. All right, Billy.
Or Jake. Jilly.

Speaker 8 I was going to do onions and peppers, but now we're just going to do peppers.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 8 Like, you know? Nice.

Speaker 1 You were going to do peppers, but

Speaker 1 it's good that you told us you were going to do onions and peppers. Because onions and peppers is a great combo.
That is a good combo.

Speaker 4 What color, or what color peppers?

Speaker 1 Good question. Adding green?

Speaker 1 You got to do one.

Speaker 4 Billy, you got to do one topping. It's one topping.

Speaker 1 I think you get all peppers, but I'm

Speaker 1 it's more of a question of which one,

Speaker 4 if we made you pick, what would you pick?

Speaker 8 I don't know. Usually they're both on there.

Speaker 1 I feel like they're usually green, right?

Speaker 4 They're usually both. They're green.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 4 Which ones taste better?

Speaker 1 But you're talking about mild peppers. Right, right.
Not spicy.

Speaker 8 Not spicy. Not spicy.

Speaker 1 It's the best spicy.

Speaker 4 Red tastes better than green. Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 Hank.

Speaker 3 Sausage?

Speaker 1 Wait.

Speaker 3 I don't know how that got back to me.

Speaker 1 I thought they took sausage.

Speaker 6 What is your first pick? Oregno.

Speaker 1 Oregno. Fuck.
I took ham. Okay, okay.

Speaker 4 Isn't ham the same thing?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I fucked that up.

Speaker 1 I have that written down. I fucked that up.

Speaker 3 Barbecue chicken.

Speaker 1 Fuck. Okay.
I couldn't. I squeezed that with my pineapple.
That's fine. That's fine.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Next. All right.
Good picks, Hank.

Speaker 7 I don't know if you guys know this, but you do know it, but I try to eat healthy as much as possible. Bring in salad every day.

Speaker 7 So, with pizza, I want to have some sort of vegetable in to make me not feel too guilty.

Speaker 6 So I'm going to go with spinach.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 That's a good idea. I actually think that's not a bad pick.

Speaker 1 I have a pizza place I go to, and they have like a big piece of it. Hank doesn't like the spinach.

Speaker 1 There's no spinach on there, right? Spinach.

Speaker 1 What's the green thing they put on the pizza? Maybe basil, you're thinking.

Speaker 1 Ah, that's my pick, basil.

Speaker 4 So,

Speaker 4 what I usually do is I'll order basil and tell myself that it's spinach.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'm taking basil. It's healthy.
I'm taking basil.

Speaker 6 So, similar, they're like brothers.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I thought this shows how much greens that I've been eating. That I don't know the difference between spinach and basil, but it's definitely basil.
I like those, like you know, I don't want it.

Speaker 1 It's like a margarita pizza. I want like

Speaker 1 four pieces of basil on a big pizza, and you get like a couple bites of it.

Speaker 4 I like a little bit more basil than that. I had basil on my list for sure.

Speaker 1 Okay. My next pick.
You got two. Jesus.

Speaker 4 I think I'm going to go with green olives. Ooh.
I like doing a mixture. I like doing both green and black.

Speaker 1 Okay. Hey.
And then. Corner the olive market.
Yeah, for my. I mean, it's actually not bad.
It's a strategy in terms of voting. Like, olive people will.

Speaker 4 If there's one olive person out there. Fuck, now I want to change my pic.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. You can't change that, I don't think.

Speaker 4 I'm too relying on olives, I think.

Speaker 1 All right, mushrooms. Mushrooms, fuck.
classic.

Speaker 4 Mushrooms are really, really good on pizza. I don't like them or care for them that much in anything else, but on pizza or maybe in some pasta, really good, especially if they're sautéed in butter.

Speaker 1 Yep. Now,

Speaker 1 can we do

Speaker 1 different cheeses? Fuck.

Speaker 1 Can we? No? Yes. Okay.
Yeah. All right.
My last pick will be ricotta cheese. Ricotta cheese on my pizza.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 3 That's different than regular cheese pizza.

Speaker 4 My only complaint about ricotta is

Speaker 4 sometimes the circle of ricotta is way too big. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I can't believe this one lasted so long, but anchovies.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Ravel.

Speaker 4 Come on. Dude, it's such a good one, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, there are people, I feel like people who love anchovies will swear by it. They'll fucking go to war for it.

Speaker 8 It's a pander pick for the anchovy cults because they go hard.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 split the vote.

Speaker 4 Anchovies actually, I think they have more flavor than olives do. Anchovies are deliver,

Speaker 1 but I don't know.

Speaker 4 It's tough to get them on a pizza because

Speaker 4 you really have to know what you're doing for me to order like a full fish from you on my pizza i'm not gonna do that papa john don't necessarily trust him okay uh hank your last pick in in a miraculous turn of events all my top four are still still available nothing got taken off bacon

Speaker 1 wait did you go all meat

Speaker 4 yeah that's what'd you get pepperoni sausage barbecue chicken bacon you made a meat lover's pizza the best pizza damn it put it in a papadi and you got the perfect pie you know what though You know what, though?

Speaker 4 I don't think the listeners are going to like it.

Speaker 1 There are vegans out there that listen to this show. There's at least

Speaker 3 a really stands.

Speaker 1 Get those fuckers out of here. A hamburger? Anyone likes hamburger on their pizza?

Speaker 4 Sometimes.

Speaker 1 Sometimes. Buffalo chicken.
Buffalo chicken I had.

Speaker 6 Buffalo chicken.

Speaker 1 Meatballs, that's a miss. Trosciutto.
Oh, that's a miss. Matterella.

Speaker 8 Pennyala vodka on the pizza.

Speaker 4 That's okay.

Speaker 3 Sun-dried tomatoes.

Speaker 1 You know what's

Speaker 1 now this is getting crazy, but there was at

Speaker 1 Wisconsin Ian's Pizza, they had waffle. I'm sure everyone has this, but waffle pizza, chicken and waffle pizza.

Speaker 4 That was fucking good. You know what we mean? Really good.
Big time?

Speaker 4 The Stingers. The hot peppers from Colony Grill.

Speaker 1 Dude, Colony Grill, could I have done hot oil? Yeah. Fuck.
Hot oil is my favorite.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 I don't really love my draft, but we'll see.

Speaker 4 Yeah, the two olives might be tough, but I don't know.

Speaker 8 I'm pretty confident we can beat it.

Speaker 1 I think you guys probably second. We'll see.

Speaker 4 No, I think that cheese pizza really fucked me. I think that people look at Hank Small Rushmore and be like, he should have had at least one non-meat ingredient in there.

Speaker 1 It's true. I should have thrown in a

Speaker 1 teenage girl.

Speaker 3 It's a good thing I don't do my picks for the people. I do them for myself.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 3 Wow. All my picks.

Speaker 1 All right. Let's get to our interview with Mike Tannenbaum.
Awesome interview. Before we do that,

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Speaker 1 Okay, here he is, Mike Tannenbaum.

Speaker 1 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest in person is Mike Tannenbaum. He

Speaker 1 works for ESPN now. He's the front office insider for ESPN.
He was formerly the Jets general manager and also worked as executive vice president of football ops for the Dolphins.

Speaker 1 Thank you for joining us. Thank you for coming in.
I'll do the hardest question first.

Speaker 1 PFT and I, as diehard football fans, how easily could we do your job?

Speaker 6 Oh, very easily.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's what we thought. GM, yeah, like we could have done that, right?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, we could do a little like job swap, right? You know, you sit back, you give out orders. If it's right, it's your decision.
If it's wrong, it's everybody else's.

Speaker 4 Yeah, we were actually just talking on the show the other day saying that the best thing that a general manager can do is to draft a new quarterback.

Speaker 4 And then if things go badly, you just blame the new quarterback for being bad. And then that kind of lets you skate a little bit.

Speaker 4 Do you feel that's we have an accurate representation of what your job was?

Speaker 6 Yeah, in all seriousness, in the Jets draft room, we used to have a sign that said, success has many fathers and failure is an orphan, which was like, hey, everybody wanted to draft a REL Reus, but Vernon Golston, Effing Tanenbaum, can you believe he did that?

Speaker 6 You know?

Speaker 6 So, yeah, it's definitely one of those things where you're sitting in the seat and you're going to get the blame or the praise depending on the move. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I might have a more difficult question than that.

Speaker 4 Why the fuck did you cut Danny Woodhead?

Speaker 6 That's a great call. That was an egregious mistake.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 He's my favorite person in the entire world. I would have just kept him around just to have that personality in the locker room because he's like the nicest person that you'll ever meet.

Speaker 4 But also to your credit, you did cut him, but you did find him too.

Speaker 6 So I guess that you deserve a little tip of the cap for that actually man genie found him we were at the end of the draft and we were looking for guys like you're looking for attributes and this guy had unbelievable production short white guy great ball skills great kid and it was just one of those things like you're making that decision and one of the things i i think people don't understand is like Oftentimes, like you're counting heads, like, hey, is it going to be four running backs?

Speaker 6 But a lot of times the tiebreaker is going to be about special teams. And

Speaker 6 we kept like a DB. It was a dumb, dumb decision.

Speaker 1 So, like, as a GM or front office in the NFL, what is the number one thing mistake that you see happen time and time again?

Speaker 1 Like, what's the thing that you're like, listen, people keep getting tripped up at this point? You've been on both sides. What is that?

Speaker 6 Yeah, because I would say, like, sometimes we scout with the ending in mind, or we have like these preconceived notions. And one of the few, I tell you, like, I got right was Justin Herbert.

Speaker 6 Like, I scout him for two years. I go to ESPN and I'm standing on the table, like, I want this guy.
And I'm watching like in the media. Like we all have these incredible biases.

Speaker 6 And I said it, which was if Justin Herbert played in the SEC, he would have been the number one pick in the draft. But he's quiet.
He's in Oregon. A lot of people just didn't watch him as much.

Speaker 6 So I think what happens is, you know, Joe Burrow, like incredible year, great guy, leader, to a, you know, Nick Saban standing on the table for two.

Speaker 6 It's hard if you're running a team and your job's on the line and Nick Saban says, hey, this is a guy you need to draft. It's hard to not let that influence your decision.

Speaker 6 But if you went through the process, like there were so many things about Justin Herbert. He was the biggest, the fastest, the smartest, very competitive.
Like we sometimes we overcomplicate it.

Speaker 6 Right.

Speaker 1 Okay, that makes sense.

Speaker 4 So how long do you give a quarterback typically to be able to tell is this guy going to make it or not?

Speaker 4 Because we've talked to a few people and I think we both kind of used to be of the mindset that sometimes it can be good to let a guy sit for a while because if he's not in the right situation, you could spook him, you could give him some bad habits and he could kind of ruin himself if he's not put in a comfortable situation.

Speaker 4 But then I think we were talking with Schlerith, right? And Schlerith said that if the guy is going to get too spooked by coming into the wrong situation, he's probably not the guy for the long term.

Speaker 4 So if you have a quarterback like Tua, how long do you give him to kind of prove that he's going to be able to pan out before you start thinking about the future?

Speaker 6 Yeah, PFT, like we literally talked about that this morning, which is like, if you go back like five or ten years ago, like we would give these guys, you know, five years.

Speaker 6 Like Chad Payton sat for two years before he ever played you know now like we're calling Tua a bust like Tua had major hip surgery a year ago basically an abbreviated offseason like we got to give the guy a chance to see like what he has like I thought they did a good job of adding Jalen Waddle like they got two guys that can run in Fuller and Waddle so I think he needs a lot more time and in another year we'll know like obviously this is a consequential year but I think sometimes like we move on from guys way too fast do you think that's because sometimes it's fun to just say that guy's a bust like it's fun There's nothing fun about that.

Speaker 1 It's fun. It's fun for us.
It's fun for us, yeah. To slap a bust label on somebody.
Oh, yeah. Of course.

Speaker 4 If you drafted him, it's probably not as enjoyable. But for us, it's nice to just have a nice, clean label and be like, bust.
Then I don't have to think about him anymore.

Speaker 6 Well, what happens when he comes back to life?

Speaker 4 Then, you know what? I was originally right about the quarterback being good before I slapped a bust label on him.

Speaker 6 You definitely should be a GM. I mean, you have all the traits of a really good GM.

Speaker 1 So I've always thought that from looking from the fan's perspective The thing that really trips up front offices and organizations is everyone is very competitive The scouts are competitive.

Speaker 1 They want to be GM someday the coach is competitive. He wants to keep his job as long as possible.
So everyone's out for self-preservation.

Speaker 1 Is that like way off or is that kind of how a lot of front offices, especially dysfunctional ones, operate where guys are kind of looking out for themselves.

Speaker 1 You hear it all the time where like a GM will come in and he'll be like clean house because they're not his guys. Is there that type of territorial thinking?

Speaker 6 Yeah, there is to a certain extent, big cat. I think that's fair.
Like, when I went to Miami, like, I was bound in the terminal, like, we can win with the people here.

Speaker 6 Like, I literally brought one person from outside the organization. We promoted Chris Greer, who's still there.
We went to the playoffs. I thought there were a lot of great people there.

Speaker 6 But generally speaking, that is definitely true. Like, I know for me, like, sometimes I had to check my own competitiveness.
Like, I'm sitting there for years. I'm banging my head against the wall.

Speaker 6 Like, I want to beat Tom Brady. Like, what else can we do to beat F and Tom Brady, whose birthday, by the way, it is today? Yeah.

Speaker 6 And so, your competitiveness, you almost have to check it because if not, like, you can go from being aggressive to reckless. And sometimes that line's pretty fine.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So I would imagine that, like, focusing all your energy on how to defeat one person in your division,

Speaker 4 under most circumstances, probably wouldn't be worthwhile, right? That person would be just like living rent-free inside your head.

Speaker 6 But when it's Tom Brady who's dominating the league for, you know, 20 years or, you know, winning multiple Super Bowls, and you kind of have to start to think about building a team that can specifically attack him let's be really clear like tombrady isn't living rent free like he moved in built a freaking neighborhood i mean both at the jets and the dolphins and in all seriousness that that's why we made the trade with favre like you won't find a better human being than chad pennington like this guy is a pros pro he was a good player took us to the playoffs multiple times but at the end of the day like we made the honest sober calculation like can we get to where we want to go having chad paying tin competing against tom brady and we all said no and that's why we took a shot at favre so and then it you know after favre you have mark sanchez you go to back-to-back afc championship games now was there a feeling like we're on to something big or we're farther away than maybe the afc championship game we just got a couple breaks along the way yeah and cayley that was another mistake which was you know It's such an unusual fact pattern.

Speaker 6 Sanchez comes in. We win four road playoff games.
We beat Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Phillip Bruce on the road. We extend him and he plays worse.

Speaker 6 And you bring up a great point, Big Hat, which is you got to evaluate your own correctly. And no one does that better than Belichick.

Speaker 6 For all his superpowers, if you look over the years, like he'll move on from a guy a year too soon, then too late. And he deserves a ton of credit for that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Can we go back real quick to like how you got started in this business? Because I heard that you, you, it took like Bill Parcels a couple different phone calls to convince you to come work for him.

Speaker 4 Like initially, you didn't want to do that. So how is he able to talk you into starting?

Speaker 6 Gosh, like, yeah, I don't know how you got that, but that, that's, that's, that's sources.

Speaker 1 I'm a reporter.

Speaker 6 Yeah, no, that's very few people actually know that. That's so I was an unpaid intern, graduated from law school, worked for Coach Belichick.
Belichick goes to the Patriots, Patriots to the Jets.

Speaker 6 Belichick recommends me to Parcells. They put in a permission slip.
My boss says, you can't go. I call up Parcells.
I had never met him. I grew up in the Northeast.
I was scared to death of him.

Speaker 6 And I said, hey, Coach, I just want to thank you for showing interest. And,

Speaker 6 you know, they're denying permission, but I want you to hear from me. Like,

Speaker 6 thank you. He's like, well, I'm going to make this real easy.
I'm not interested in, you know, interviewing you. The job's yours.
So you quit, walk out the door and get on the plane.

Speaker 6 So I'm like, hey, Coach, thanks for nothing. I panicked.
I hung up.

Speaker 1 Oh, really? I hung up.

Speaker 6 And I was like, I thought I was a sane. I was making $27,000.
They offered me an extension starting at $35,000. I think like, I made it, man, like four-year deal, making $35,000 in the NFL.

Speaker 6 Coach Parcels calls me back he goes hey he goes why won't you get on this plane like tell me what it's gonna take I'm like it's not about the money I want to be a GM I have this dream he's like well why won't you come here I'm like because I am scared to death of you like I grew up in the northeast and you scare the shit out of me he's like well why can't you live your dream with me and we had this great conversation for the next 45 minutes about life dreams I'm like you know what I'm gonna get on the plane there it is I just walked out of the Saints facility got on a plane and then the rest was sister sister.

Speaker 4 So he sold you on it. What did he say to make you no longer afraid of him?

Speaker 6 PFT, he had a line that I'll take to my grave. He goes, You're either one of us or one of them.
And he goes, My expectations are you're going to come up here and get those son of a bitches signed.

Speaker 6 When a trapper comes off the side of the mountain, you don't have to say, is he a good hunter? He either has pelts on his horse or he doesn't. So, Mr.

Speaker 6 T, we're going to go by what we see, and either you sign those son of a bitches and you get to stick around, or I'm going to ship your ass back up to Boston. Now, what are we going to do? Wow.

Speaker 6 I'm like, let's go. I love it.

Speaker 1 so he

Speaker 4 kind of said,

Speaker 4 if you don't sign with me, if you think I'm scary now, you'll think I'm a lot scarier if you're a son of a bitch that doesn't work for me.

Speaker 6 Yeah. And I was like, you know what? I'll bet on myself.
Like, I'm not going to be the guy.

Speaker 6 And, like, I always like, as I work my way up the ranks, I always said, all right, I'm going to look to my left and to my right. And I'm not going to be the guy that sends us home.

Speaker 6 I don't care if I'm driving people to the airport, which I did for Belichick, running an organization, like, I'm not going to be the guy to fuck it up to send us home. And coach just challenged me.

Speaker 1 He's like, I got the keys to this uh franchise for mr hess i need one person to sign him i think it's you maybe my expectations are too high for you i'm like i'm coming wow that's great so what was uh so in your role and through the years what are maybe give me two guys offense and defense the ones that got away the ones that you were like that was the guy that i had scouted that i had looked after that i wanted i knew he was going to be great and for some reason we weren't able to get him whether it be via trade or the draft however it may fall down.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, there's, I mean, I could just, we could talk about the Tom Brady story for a second. So this is incredible.

Speaker 6 So at the time, you guys may remember the Jets facility was at Hostra University. We take Chad Pennington in round one, one of four first rounders.

Speaker 6 In the third round, Bill Walsh drafts Carmelo Carmazzi, Giovanni Carmazi

Speaker 6 from Hofstra. And we're like, God, we fucked it up.
Like, Bill Walsh, the greatest quarterback coach of all time, takes a guy that's on our campus. Right.

Speaker 1 And we draft Pennington.

Speaker 6 And in the fifth round, we had a scout, Jesse Kay. He is standing on the table for Tom Brady.
He's like, I'm telling you, this guy is great. I saw him against Syracuse.
He has rare leadership.

Speaker 6 And we're all like, come on, Jesse, we just got Chad Pennington. And if we were going to take another one, it should have been Carmazzi.
Like Bill Walsh takes Karamazzi.

Speaker 6 And like we had a conversation about Brady a little bit in the fifth round. And one guy, Jesse Kay, was the guy that was like, this is a guy that has a chance to be really good.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 4 I like what you just did there because because you gave credit to one of the scouts that was in the room.

Speaker 4 I don't know what your future plans are, but if you want to get back into the NFL, what you should have said right there so we could get some good headlines when Big Kat asked you the two that you missed out on, you should have just said Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 4 I had them both at the

Speaker 4 top of my board, and then we put out a little quote card that would have your name and face on it.

Speaker 1 And then everybody would be like, wow, Jamba really knows stuff. Yeah.
That's crazy, though, that Tom Brady. So what ended up happening to Jesse K? Where is he now?

Speaker 6 He's retired.

Speaker 6 he was a long die in the wolf scout long time like great guy a little bit of a like an old school like feel guy yeah and again like if you think about Tom Bray's narrative you know couldn't start at Michigan slow right like what's the attribute about him like if he's if he can't beat out Drew Henson like you know at that time like Chad Panton was like the golden boy had Randy Moss and you know all the like he was a we were shocked Tom Brady's uh Chad Panton thought he was going Pittsburgh like the Steelers gave every indication that he was going to go eight They took Plaxico.

Speaker 6 Like, we were doing backflips, and he was there at 18.

Speaker 1 So, you just brought something up I wanted to talk about the feel versus like maybe numbers or analytics. How much is it feel when you're talking about drafting a guy?

Speaker 6 I think, so, here, here's my view on that, guys, is we want to use the numbers to, and Belchuck's a little bit like this too. Like, let's define the fairway.

Speaker 6 Now, we could go outside of it, but let's make sure that we are. So, you look at any of those guys, like Wes Welker, Danny Amadola, even like Woodhead's a little bit like that.

Speaker 6 Although Woodhead was a little bit faster, straight line, those guys all had a redeeming characteristic. They were great change of direction, three cone.

Speaker 6 But my point was, guys, we could go outside of like the parameters, but if we do, they have to have a compelling reason.

Speaker 6 And in some of those cases with the slot receivers, they had great change of quickness.

Speaker 6 But I wasn't going to go outside those parameters because someone's like, yeah, I think he's going to be really special. Right.
Why? Tell us why he's so special.

Speaker 1 See, that would be where I would get tripped up with the GM thing because obviously as a gambler, gambler, someone would just say like, hey, this guy's going to be special. I'd be like, you know what?

Speaker 1 That's my lottery ticket. Let's go.
And I would probably fail every single time.

Speaker 6 But that's okay. Like, and like Tunsel is a great example of this.
Like, we got Tunsel right because it was a little bit of a gut feel, which was

Speaker 6 the video is unrealing, right? National TV.

Speaker 1 Yeah, what did you think in the room? Yeah, so

Speaker 6 I'll take you right into the room.

Speaker 1 This is Laramie Tunsil, for people who don't remember the obviously the bong face mask and everything.

Speaker 6 Right. So we have Brandon Albert, a good, not great left tackle.
We are convinced that Tunsel's originally going to go one, Tennessee, but his floor is five. He's going to go to Baltimore.

Speaker 6 So gas masks, whole thing starts and gets to five. And they take Ronnie Stanley.
I'm like, damn, like, Ozzie Newsom, like, he's a little bit of a risk taker. Like, Ozzy doesn't care.

Speaker 6 Like, he just wants good players. Like, eight, nine, I'm like, oh, my God.
Like, there's no way he's going to be there.

Speaker 6 So we brought in our Air Scout, Matt Winston, whose brother was the NFL PA president, Eric Winston. Great scout.
He'll be a GM one day. He's like, Tunsil's a great kid.

Speaker 6 Like, great mom, great teammate, academic advisors, equipment guys. They all love him.

Speaker 6 And obviously, look, if you're going to take, if you're not going to take somebody because they're smoking weed, like there'll be eight guys on the board, right? Right, yeah.

Speaker 6 He just happened to get caught. And so he's sitting there at 13, and we were all like, look, like, he's a great kid, made a mistake, and it was a great opportunity for us.

Speaker 6 So it was a feel thing, big cat, but like, we had a great scout who like went in there in the fall and we knew exactly what we were getting. Yeah.

Speaker 4 I don't even think it was that big of a mistake. The video was pretty cool in retrospect.

Speaker 4 I kind of wish I had a video like that out there.

Speaker 6 Actually, it gets even better. So like

Speaker 6 I go back to my office. I am doing backflips.
I'm like, we just got the first guy in the draft and we didn't have to trade up. Like this is unbelievable.
I call up my wife.

Speaker 6 I'm like, Michelle, can you believe how unbelievably lucky we are? Like, I can't believe, like, I am so pumped. She's like, you got a problem.
Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 6 She's like, we had young kids at the time.

Speaker 1 They're like, they're scared to death.

Speaker 6 And I'm like, can you just handle it? She's like, no, you're going to handle it. And I quickly went from being a GM to like a very concerned father.
I'm like, what kind of role model?

Speaker 6 And like, of course, like the next day, like, good people make mistakes. And, you know, like, the whole spiel.

Speaker 4 I think it was mostly because it was an intimidating looking mask. It was like kind of scary.
So kids are like, wow, why'd you draft a stormtrooper? Exactly.

Speaker 4 And I think that if that had happened a couple years later, just in the last three years, the narrative has changed a lot around marijuana where a lot of states have legalized it.

Speaker 4 So I don't even know if he falls to you. That was like the perfect timing for the Dolphins to capitalize.

Speaker 6 Do you think he would have had an endorsement on that? Yeah, probably.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it would have been like free cheat.

Speaker 4 Sign him up. Laramie Tussel.

Speaker 1 Yeah. All right.
So other thing that I've always just wanted to ask a GM,

Speaker 1 your time at the end of your Jets tenure.

Speaker 1 Was there a feeling of like, I'm a dead man walking? How does that work? Because we see it all the time where we know we we could point right now to the 32 teams in the NFL.

Speaker 1 You could probably say five to 10 of the GMs right now will maybe get fired if things don't go well. And they have to feel it.

Speaker 6 Yeah, absolutely. And like with privilege comes responsibility.
And like these are not jobs you're going to retire in.

Speaker 6 And it sucks like when you see your name on the back page and you know like your day is coming and there's not a lot you can do. And I always felt like, you know, I'm not going to change.

Speaker 6 Like I'm going to be the first guy in every day. And I feel like my motivation was slightly like there was an insecurity.
Like, did I ever really even deserve this job? Like, I replaced Bill Part.

Speaker 1 Like, who am I?

Speaker 6 You know, like, so I was always like, I'm going to be the first guy in, the last to leave. And even like when I knew those days were coming, I'm like, I can't change.

Speaker 6 And, you know, and then you look back and you're like, you know what? We stood shoulder to shoulder with the best in the game and we held up pretty well.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 So one of the best guys that you drafted, Darrell Rivas, one of the best cornerbacks to play in the last, probably in the history of the NFL. So that must have felt pretty good.

Speaker 4 But at the same time, you knew that every offseason, it was like, okay, Darrell Rivas is going to work me over for more money.

Speaker 4 And as a general manager, you have to balance that against what you're paying out to the rest of the team.

Speaker 4 Do you, like, is there a part of you that kind of regrets having him on the team where it was like, it made your entire offseason such a pain in the ass?

Speaker 6 PFT, those are good problems to have. Like, we'll sign up for those.
Yeah. Coach Parcel has always used to talk about, Mr.
T, let's worry about write-ons, not write-offs.

Speaker 6 Everyone's always worried about a write-off. Get the money.
Get the money and we'll figure out the rest. So those are good problems to have.

Speaker 4 Yeah, he was a great player. And I actually actually think he played the system as a player exactly perfect.

Speaker 4 He maximized his value while he was in the league in the way that he would renegotiate all the time. But that was always like the constant storyline in the offseason.

Speaker 4 Did you ever feel like you had to be prepared in advance for those negotiations, even like right after he signed the last one?

Speaker 6 No doubt. And what most agents don't understand, guys, is the most effective pressure that a player could put on is from within.
Now, with Rex, everything about Rex is true.

Speaker 6 The good, the bad, the ugly, and I love him.

Speaker 6 But when he's out there every day saying he's the best player in the sport and we couldn't line up without him, like that is not exactly, you know, negotiation one-on-one.

Speaker 6 And his agents, certainly, to their credit, like, we're going to use everything that Rex said, but the amount of pressure that was put on internally, like, we could not function without Darrell Rivas.

Speaker 4 So that was like the holdout, a player that's actually willing to hold out and is a talented football player, that's the best strategy typically. Like, that's the way to maximize value.

Speaker 6 Yeah, and you have to convince the front office that you're going to miss games and i've said you know for the last year on esp and like with aaron rodgers like green bay will not blink or even think about blinking until he doesn't show up now when he doesn't show up now they're going to take a half a step back and say hey can we get three ones from denver really what do we have in jordan love can we get nick folds for a year all those other discussions the day he doesn't show up those discussions begin but until then they're going to assume that hey he's mad like a lot of us are at his boss but when a rubber meets the road he's going to show up so that that so in your mind that that entire stare down never really was a stare down because he never, there was never a day that he didn't show up.

Speaker 6 Big cat, I said for a year, until he doesn't show up, he's a Green Bay Packer, and they know that.

Speaker 6 And you're praying that his competitiveness, and one of the things that I admired from what Roger said was it was really clear, like he's a good teammate.

Speaker 6 Like for him to go, if you guys noticed, he had no notes when he was talking about guys like Charles Woodson, he's going back four or five years, and he's talking about details.

Speaker 6 Like you could tell this guy in his own way, maybe not your style or my style, he's a good dude and good teammate.

Speaker 6 And if you're the Packers and you know that, you're assuming he's going to show up and we're going to be okay because he doesn't want to let his teammates down.

Speaker 6 He may be pissed at us, but he'll be here.

Speaker 1 So we had this discussion on Monday's show. When you have a generational talent like Aaron Rodgers, when you have a Patrick Mahomes,

Speaker 1 how much do you think the game has changed where what he said was essentially like, I want to be part of the process?

Speaker 6 Do you think the GMs have to start doing that more for their quarterbacks why wouldn't you like i had chad pennington and ryan tanhill be part of the coaching search why wouldn't you like right they're going to see things i can't and by the way like you thought woodhead was a bad decision i'll give you a worse one like we cut jericho catrie who was this great dude he was speed deficient at the end tough and smart i remember the day we cut him i thought the quarterbacks were going to kill me and they were right you know there's certain things players are going to see that you never can the object of the exercise fellas is like we got to get this right right so why wouldn't you at least listen to ad Rodgers and say, hey, we're going to cut the receiver, you're like, because he can't cover kicks.

Speaker 6 So, here's our decision. You can be mad, but you should understand why.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 Maybe give him an opportunity to object and say something that you hadn't considered for

Speaker 1 your role as jokes.

Speaker 6 You want to get it right. It doesn't matter where the answer comes.
It could be from Jesse Kay or Aaron Rodgers. Let's get the answer right.

Speaker 6 Let's get all the information in, and then we'll make the best decision for us. Yeah.

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Do you understand the salary cap?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 6 You sure? I think so.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't think anyone does.

Speaker 4 Can you tell us how the Rams are just able to do everything, whatever they want, and there's no salary cap?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I don't think it's going to pay off for them. I think they're like a great sort of like science experiment.
And here's what I'm talking about, guys.

Speaker 6 We always talk about football as a consummate team sport. You got to, you know, spread it out.
Maybe they're right. They're saying, F that, like, we're going to get Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Donald.

Speaker 6 Like, we're going to go play five against 11, but our five are so good, we're going to win. I think when you look at their offensive line, guys, they are paper thin.

Speaker 6 And if anything happens to their starters, especially a guy like Whitworth and his age, they could be in big trouble.

Speaker 6 And look, I thought, you know, when you look at their running back back situation, they were going to be a little thin there. I mean, it's a tragedy what's happened there, obviously.

Speaker 6 Um, but it's a huge calculator risk that may pay off. But if I had a bet, I'm betting against it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so I asked the cap question because it's like it seems like every year, like the Saints, for example, are in salary cap hell. Yeah, they do two, three, two, three things, and boom, they're fine.

Speaker 1 It doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 6 But like, Cam Akers is a great player that can't be replaced. Right.
Right.

Speaker 6 So you're, it just, there's ways to minimize the cap charges, move them around, but the fact that the Saints couldn't go out and sign a player of Breeze's caliber is the salary cap actually.

Speaker 1 I think Jameis Winston. Yeah.
By the way, I... I love him.

Speaker 6 I think he's going to play well. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You said that he's... Who did you? Oh, you compared him to Vinny Teseverdi, right? I did.
I liked that. Yeah.

Speaker 6 I'm surprised by the fact that you don't follow me on Twitter and you knew I said that.

Speaker 1 Well, I did some research and basically I just figured out, like, has he said anything mean about Baker Mayfield? You have.

Speaker 6 Has he said anything nice about Jameis Winston you have I didn't say anything mean about yeah you did I was it's about the facts yeah I call him height and speed deficient okay I think you said you you can't you don't pay a deficient quarterback like Baker Mayfield a height a height and speed deficient that's not mean that's facts

Speaker 4 Russell Wilson you might say is you are bind deficient yeah you're binding yourself to mediocrity yeah is Mike Tannenbaum quote about Baker Mayfield is that nice huh

Speaker 1 is that a nice thing to say first of all that that one's tough to come back from Mr. T.

Speaker 6 Well, like I said, I will go back to my first statement. You guys don't even follow me on Twitter.
So I'm really.

Speaker 1 I'm not right now.

Speaker 1 I'll follow you. So I follow you on Twitter now.
Address your Baker Mayfield slander, please.

Speaker 6 Okay, let me ask you this. If you were the president of Barstool Sports, right? Okay.
Big Cat, and you walked into this room and said, hey, fellas, guess what? We just had one heck of the day.

Speaker 6 We just signed the seventh best podcaster on the planet. You'd be like, what the F? Like, we want to be the best, right? Right.

Speaker 1 So if you're. Baker's not the seventh.

Speaker 4 year's so draft draft the afc i mean we already have brandon walker working yeah yes

Speaker 6 no no draft draft draft the afc quarterbacks what do you mean in order who's in order yeah but wait but that has nothing you you still need a quarterback right but my point is if you're gonna pay baker mayfield you better pay him contextually so you could keep nick chubb denzel ward all these other really good players you have in my opinion he's somewhere between the sixth and eighth best quarterback in the afc how are you gonna win a championship and what do they pay him but that's every quarterback Every quarterback who gets a new deal gets the highest paid deal.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 the cap is just bullshit.

Speaker 6 But Big Cat, hold on a second. Those other quarterbacks you could win championships with, like, could you win one with Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, all these other guys, Matt Stafford,

Speaker 6 you would say Carson Wentz, if healthy, you could certainly have that argument.

Speaker 1 Like, Mitchell,

Speaker 1 you have Carson Wentz ahead of Baker Mayfield?

Speaker 6 So, so let's do this, right? We're going to take Mahomes. Okay.

Speaker 1 Josh Allen.

Speaker 6 Josh Allen, Lamar.

Speaker 1 Inton. Lamar, yes, but there's clearly like Lamar

Speaker 1 has issues when a team knows he's going to have to throw. No problem.

Speaker 6 I'll take Herbert Tannehill.

Speaker 1 Tannehill over Baker.

Speaker 4 No, not Tannehill.

Speaker 4 You got your Dolphins goggles on, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're not right about that.

Speaker 6 But Ryan Tannehill has the best offense in the NFL since he's been in Tennessee.

Speaker 4 Okay, a counterpoint, Baker Mayfield almost won the AFC championship last year.

Speaker 1 And he won a playoff game with the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 4 So that's the other thing you have to take into account is like we're grading. you have to grade on a little bit of a curve when you're talking about Cleveland.

Speaker 4 It's been so long since they've had a quarterback that's even approaching mediocrity. And you've got Baker Mayfield who's actually good at the position and the franchise has played well under him.

Speaker 4 There's something about him that makes him elevate that franchise. Even when he doesn't play that great, you know that you still have a chance sometimes with Baker.

Speaker 6 Right, but here's the Baker Mayfield is a guy that is just objectively short and slow. So when you look at guys like Russell Wilson and Drew Brees, they are the exception.

Speaker 6 And my point is you can't pay him $40 million a year because you got to keep Chubb and Ward and all these other guys because that's going to give you your best chance to be successful.

Speaker 6 If you said you could get Baker Mayfield at $28 million and keep all these teammates, I'm all for it. I would not pay him at top of the market.

Speaker 6 And guys, remember this, he's under contract this year, next year, and you can tag him the year after.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's what's so funny about the Baker talk.

Speaker 4 We addressed this a couple months ago where it's like, it felt like it was the middle of the summer and there was nothing else to talk about in the NFL.

Speaker 4 So people just smashed the button that said, like, let's talk about a contract extension for a quarterback that doesn't even need one right now.

Speaker 1 So what do you think about Dak then? Dak at 40 would probably fall under that same category, would it not?

Speaker 6 I think he's a better player.

Speaker 1 I think you can say that. Yeah, but that's a lot of money.
He's the second highest paid quarterback just on paper right now. Again, none of these contracts mean anything.

Speaker 6 Right. But two years ago, I said they should have signed him over Zeke.
Zeke was in a fourth year of a fifth year deal. Plus, they could have tagged him.

Speaker 6 So if I was Dallas, I would have just let Zeke play the whole thing out, signed Dak back then, which was was like 32, 33 million, Goff and Wentz. And obviously that market's gone up to 40.

Speaker 1 So you really like Carson Wentz still?

Speaker 6 No, and Orlovsky and I were arguing about this today.

Speaker 1 Well, Orlovsky is literally like, I think he's his best friend is Carson Wentz.

Speaker 1 He almost cried when Carson Wentz, like he did, he notes that.

Speaker 6 Either that or Stafford, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Him and C.
Yes, exactly. Stafford as well.
But

Speaker 1 he's got a bias with Carson Wentz, which is fine. We have a lot of biases ourselves.
We just admit that.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 So my point about if you read if you google bill parcels quarterback commandments one of the things he talks about is you want a battlefield commander you want somebody that is going to lead the troops and

Speaker 6 we we argued about it today if you're worried about nick foles as your backup you got the wrong guy like you think brett favre dan marino patrick mahomes tom brady cared who their backup was no they they're gonna go win championships and that's the part about carson went that he may be lacking right yeah yeah yeah you're right if you're afraid of nick foles like that's it says something about your own security and your own leadership abilities right there how much do you think uh like nfl philosophy in front offices is just based on bill parcels quotes

Speaker 6 i mean he he's an influential guy it's because he is like yeah he hasn't coached in 20 years yeah and he people still quote him like he's coaching today i'll tell you what and I have the great fortune of being friends with him, see him fairly regularly in Florida.

Speaker 6 It's shocking. I would say at least 30% of the league still calls him all the time.
Like if you're at dinner with him, and by the way, dinner is at 4:55, back table. I love it.

Speaker 6 And if you're not there 10 minutes early, you're late.

Speaker 1 It's a testament to him and his career that I, I mean, I do think that a lot of guys obviously still listen to him, but it's just funny because he's probably the most quotable coach, right?

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 6 And when you're talking about guys, like, obviously, Belchek is, you know, his own greatness, but like the Zimmers, the Sean Paytons of the world, like, those are guys that like, they still, like, engage and learn from him.

Speaker 6 And, you know, the thing about Bill is he has so much wisdom. And a lot of times he'll be like, oh, I'm a dinosaur.
Or I made this. Like, he is a very like reflective guy, very insightful.

Speaker 4 Yeah. You are what your record says you are.

Speaker 1 And like, if you draft the wrong quarterback, it sets you back 10 years.

Speaker 4 If you're going to let me cook dinner, you should at least let me shop for the groceries.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like he's got all of them, right? Yeah.

Speaker 6 Maybe my expectations for you are higher than those of yourself.

Speaker 1 Oh, okay. That's good.
Yes, very good. It's very hard to come back from.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's bad.

Speaker 1 But here,

Speaker 4 I'm not mad.

Speaker 6 mad i'm disappointed yeah from your boss yeah no but like working for him like there were times like and he was a morning guy like i would leave a note on his door like 5 15 in the morning like coach i screw that up it'll never happen again thinking like he was going to fire me and the next day like there was a hooter's like a half a mile down on hempstead turnpike and we'd sign somebody be like hey mr t had a great day everybody let's go eat some wings like he he was he like he kept you on your toes but at the end of the day like you would like walk on glass for him yeah you talked about um about about the job of driving prospects and driving uh free agents to and from the airport i feel like that's a starting position for a lot of people in the nfl that are looking to work in front offices or you know the airport pickup guy is was there any instructions that you had from above like hey keep your mouth shut don't talk to them or were you expected to like what makes what makes you feel like you did a good job driving them to and from the airport yeah actually this is one of my big philosophies in life like who you are is how you treat people that can't help you the bus driver the waiter the waitress the equipment guy.

Speaker 6 One of the reasons we drafted Darrell Rivas was like how respectful he was to our intern who he thought was a driver.

Speaker 6 And for Coach Belichick, when we would bring guys back, he'd be like, hey, tell me about that guy. And again, his whole thing was like,

Speaker 6 if this guy's an asshole, when we give him $10 million, he's going to be a bigger asshole. Now, as Rex would say, if he could rush the passer, that's okay.

Speaker 1 He's our asshole.

Speaker 6 But at least we know what we're getting, right?

Speaker 6 And so for Belichick, like, there was a bunch of times, like, we'd run guys for physicals hey tell me about him what kind of guy was he you know did he tip you you know like all that stuff is there an allotted amount of guys on a roster that you're like all right we can have x amount of assholes yeah so in every single gm's office they have one mathematical equation production equals tolerance and you know parcels and belchek used to argue about lt because right lt never showed up for the offseason program that was really important to parcels and and belchek's like okay so like how long are we going to bench lt you know and and there's just like a lot of wisdom in that discussion.

Speaker 6 Like, you want to have standards, protocols, and culture, but you know what? Like, hey, if Tiger Woods is not in the off-season program, like, he's still going out there, you know, as one of our guys.

Speaker 1 Right. And they always said that, like, you know, Belichick treats everyone the same.

Speaker 1 And I believe that in film study, but there's no way that he treats everyone the same in terms of the tolerance, you know, what they would do and whether he'd bring up.

Speaker 1 Like, Gronk was obviously different than

Speaker 1 some other guys. Gronk's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 6 And there's a legendary story that Marino loved to tell, which was Jimmy Johnson's first day on the job.

Speaker 6 He's like, Look, Dan Marino, you fall asleep in one of these meetings, I'm going to wake you up.

Speaker 6 Back up corner, you fall asleep in one of these meetings, we're going to cut your ass.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 And that's just, that's just life, though, right?

Speaker 1 Right. Yeah.
Yeah. It's true.

Speaker 4 I'm going to give you kind of two options, which road you want to go down on this question.

Speaker 4 I have one question that's about some inner team strife that you had to deal with, and then another one that's about team-to-team strife that you had to deal with.

Speaker 6 Is there option three?

Speaker 4 No, no, those are the only two options.

Speaker 6 Let's go inner team for 200.

Speaker 4 Was there a part of you that was like, okay, thank God that made my decision a lot easier when Geno Smith got punched in the face?

Speaker 6 I actually wasn't with them anymore when that happened.

Speaker 1 Oh, you weren't? Okay. Yeah.
All right. Well, that's good.
Okay.

Speaker 4 You were with him for Tebow, though, right?

Speaker 6 Yeah, someone was dumb enough to trade for him.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so the Tebow decision.

Speaker 4 Let's talk about that because he, you know, he's back in the league as a tight end. Did you ever think about like, hey, Tebow, you want to go out and run some routes for us?

Speaker 6 Yeah, I mean, that's really why we got him. We lost a guy named Brad Smith.
You guys may remember him. He was a great quarterback at Missouri, and he kind of did a lot of different jobs.

Speaker 6 And one of the great things about where I sat for so long was just learning and listening to the game through the head coach I was with.

Speaker 6 So Rex always was like, I'm just telling you, Mike, like, as a defensive guy, I hate when the opposing quarterback can make plays with his feet.

Speaker 6 And when we lost Brad Smith, it was like, hey, we got to replace him. So on paper, it made sense to say, all right, we could get Tim Tebow for a fourth-round pick.
He's making $2 million.

Speaker 6 And like, I think that's one of the mistakes I made was like, all right, on paper, that's very logical. He just brings so many more eyeballs to it.

Speaker 6 I'll tell you a really funny story. So in my house with our kids, we have a thing.
You have to earn your dessert eligibility. You have to do something nice for somebody else.

Speaker 1 I'm a football guy of you. Yeah.

Speaker 6 So we have Tim come in. And we're having dinner.
And it's like, it could not have been more awkward. Like, you have Tim, you know, he's an icon, his agent.
We have our trainer, his family.

Speaker 6 I got my mom in town from Boston and my two kids.

Speaker 6 and it's like okay like you know like my 70 year old jewish mom and tim tebo like how in the world are you going to make conversation so i'm like you know hey mom like what'd you do today to earn dessert eligibility so she's like you know i bought my co-worker a turkey sandwich i'm like great mom like you get a chocolate chip cookie so we kind of go around the table so it finally gets to tim it could not be more awkward and stiff and he's like Well, Mr.

Speaker 6 Tanabon, we have seven

Speaker 6 pediatric cancer centers.

Speaker 1 We're buying two women out of sex celebrity. I'm like, all right, we got a cookie, right?

Speaker 6 Like, my mom's turkey sandwich never looks so feeble.

Speaker 1 That's amazing. That's awesome.
He is a hell of a guy. All right, so I had one last question for you.
This has been awesome. We really appreciate you coming in.

Speaker 1 You had a post about Coach K when he decided to retire, talking about social media and how his first three seasons didn't go so well, and he probably would have been fired.

Speaker 1 What about the season that he hurt his back and decided not to have any of those records count against his overall record? What about that?

Speaker 6 That's a fair point.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 6 My point about that was like we, and I'm as guilty as it now, but we're in this sort of like instant evaluation.

Speaker 1 No, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 1 Obviously, the post is about the fact that every team, every fan base wants a revolving door. And a revolving door, like, you know, I wanted the Bears to fire Matt Nagy.

Speaker 1 Like, you know, whether that's right or wrong, there probably is some benefit to the, you know, having the same guys in the front office and the coaching staff for a few years.

Speaker 6 Big cat, just to put a ribbon on our conversation, Bill Parcells, 312 and 1 first year. He thinks he's going to get fired.
The late George Young is going to hire Howard Stellenberger to be the coach.

Speaker 6 It gets back to him. And he said publicly, privately, that he's like, F this.
Like, if I'm going to go down, I'm not going to be everyone's friend.

Speaker 6 I'm going to try to be the best coach I can be the way I know how. And I don't care if people like me or not.
And that launched his Hall of Fame career.

Speaker 1 Wow. Okay.
So there it is.

Speaker 4 Have you officially changed your tune on Josh Allen?

Speaker 1 Good question.

Speaker 6 Well, the context is this. He is a very good player, and historically, he has done something that no one else has in terms of improving his completion percentage.

Speaker 6 With that said, he did get hurt at Wyoming, and if we were running the bills, guys, look, we would sign to an extension.

Speaker 6 I'm not saying we wouldn't, but I would be scared to death that because he's such a big guy, and he plays the sport the way he does, that will he make it through another five years?

Speaker 6 I hope he does, but like I said, he's been hurt once, and that would be.

Speaker 1 That's a cop-out. You just did a cop-out.
Why is that?

Speaker 1 Well, he's good, but the injuries

Speaker 1 to say he's good.

Speaker 6 Okay, and then you put your name on a $200 million contract on Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 And you have no concerns. None.

Speaker 4 I'll make it $220.

Speaker 1 Because the cap doesn't mean anything. You cut him after a year if you had to.

Speaker 6 So I like him. He's gotten better, but that would worry me.

Speaker 6 The way he plays, I hope he doesn't get hurt. But like I said, he already got hurt at Wyoming.

Speaker 4 But if he goes to the Super Bowl with the Bills, they had a great season last year. If he takes the Bills to the Super Bowl, at that point, you're like, you have to change your tune at some point.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, absolutely.

Speaker 6 Again, if you look at the history of our sport, his increase in completion percentage is historically good.

Speaker 6 People don't leave college football and become as accurate as he has.

Speaker 1 The way you're saying that makes me think that you think it's an aberration.

Speaker 4 It is.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's the thing. But you think that it's not going to keep going?

Speaker 6 No, no, I would bet on him because his character, he's a a great kid. He has a much better sense of humor, and he's, like, we got to know him in the pre-draft process.

Speaker 6 He's a great kid, but he's really the exception. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 4 So I guess which is the aberration? Josh Allen's...

Speaker 4 Are you saying the aberration is his increased completion percentage from college? Or are you saying that last season was an aberration for him?

Speaker 6 No, no, I would say his aberration going from college to, and I think his trajectory will stay where it is. But

Speaker 6 like one of the things we would talk about if we were to draft her, we'd say, like, why would we take a guy from Wyoming who is not very accurate? And he didn't lift Wyoming to greatness.

Speaker 6 And to Buffalo's credit, they identified it.

Speaker 1 They won an Idaho Potato Bowl.

Speaker 4 I got a couple reasons.

Speaker 1 They did. I mean, that flag flies forever.
Rocket arm.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Looks like it's good shorts. Idaho Potato Bowl.
Tall. Tall.

Speaker 1 There we go. And tall.
Drafted him. All right.
Well, you know what?

Speaker 1 We'll end it on, you know, you don't like Baker Mayfield. You don't like Josh Allen, but you like Jameis Winston.
We can deal with that. We can deal with that.

Speaker 6 I'm okay with Josh Allen.

Speaker 1 And not Baker.

Speaker 6 I'm just saying, hey, big cat, if you want to be the seventh best, then I think you should go sign Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 1 All right,

Speaker 4 we'll leave on a positive note. In the context of Jameis Winston, tell us something that we have to look forward to, why you are a believer in Jameis Winston.

Speaker 6 He is someone that bet on himself. and showed great humility a year ago by sitting behind Drew Brees.
And that's hard to do when you're the first pick in the draft.

Speaker 6 Now, we have to go see it pay off, but I thought what it did was really be selfless and take long-term view. And not a lot of guys on the planet who are 27 that have started 70 games in our league.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And got basic eye surgery too.

Speaker 1 Yeah. There we go.

Speaker 1 Yes, absolutely. All right.
Well, Mike Tannenbaum, you can catch him on ESPN. He is the NFL insider, front office insider.
We appreciate it.

Speaker 6 Appreciate you having me, guys.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're welcome back anytime. All right.

Speaker 6 Thank you.

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Speaker 1 All right, we're going to wrap up the show with FireFast.

Speaker 4 Can I just say I'm reading the list right now of Mount Rushmores that Jake just sent to us? Okay.

Speaker 4 There's some tough ones on there to read.

Speaker 1 They look worse.

Speaker 1 Mine doesn't look so good.

Speaker 4 They look worse in word format than they did when we picked them.

Speaker 1 I do think Hank has too many meats.

Speaker 4 He does have too many meats.

Speaker 1 You're a meat lover.

Speaker 1 Yeah, who is it? I thought they took sausage.

Speaker 4 I don't know why I fucking thought that. Oregon.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 8 It's a classic. It is a classic.
It brings out the real flavor of the pizza.

Speaker 1 I made a mistake. I shouldn't have have gone ricotta.
I don't know why I did that. Isn't that the cheese that tastes like kind of sweet? Yeah, cottage.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 no, I don't like ricotta. No, fuck that.
I do.

Speaker 1 I've also learned during this process that I don't know what I get on my pizza. Like, I didn't know what basil versus spinach was because I usually just get a pepperoni pie.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 I think when Hank took pepperoni, one of the things that

Speaker 1 we're going to put all of this off a little bit. Can we order pizza?

Speaker 1 Yeah, she really wants it right now.

Speaker 3 My Fire Fest is pizza-related.

Speaker 1 All right, let's start it. Let's go.
Firefest of the week. And we've got some great interviews coming next week

Speaker 1 and the grit week the week after. So get excited.

Speaker 1 We will be out and about. We're also going to figure out a way, just a little announcement.
We're going to figure out a way. A lot of people ask us to do their fantasy draft orders.

Speaker 1 We're going to streamline it. So we're probably going to have Billy just go on the part of my take YouTube and do all of them.

Speaker 4 Billy, are your DMs open?

Speaker 8 My DMs are open.

Speaker 4 All right. So

Speaker 4 if you need Billy to figure out your fantasy draft order, just start DMing him all the names that you have right now.

Speaker 8 Actually, no, email me.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 DM is best. Yeah.
Okay, DM. Yeah, and make sure you DM on

Speaker 1 Instagram and Twitter just to make sure. Yeah.
Right?

Speaker 4 Well, which do you prefer? Could you email me

Speaker 8 billyfootball pmt at gmail.com?

Speaker 4 Wait, your email address is billyfootball pmt at gmail.com? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Instead, throw out your barstool email, too.

Speaker 8 Okay, billy football at bar.

Speaker 4 Follow me on Twitter, BillyHotTakes.

Speaker 1 Billy Football. You have me there.

Speaker 4 BillyFootballPMT at gmail.com.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 8 Instagram's B1LY Football.

Speaker 4 Or you're just going to get them everywhere.

Speaker 8 All right. Well, at least I got it there actually.

Speaker 1 All right. So

Speaker 1 Firefest of the Week, Hank.

Speaker 3 Last night, I got a pizza, but not a delivery pizza, Dijorno.

Speaker 3 Made it in my oven. Took it out.
Was starving.

Speaker 3 It's a process, you know, like 25, 30 minutes to get it, get it finished. And I was starving when I put it in, so I was just waiting for it to come out.

Speaker 3 Finally got it out, cut it open, had the little pizza cutter, and then I just absolutely torched the roof.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Like, I literally,

Speaker 3 I should have waited probably 10 minutes and I just ate it.

Speaker 1 What's worse? Biting your tongue or roofing your mouth burn?

Speaker 3 Roof of your mouth because it's still.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I like everything I eat, I just feel this burn on the top of my mouth.

Speaker 4 That's really tough. It was the hot cheese that got you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, the hot cheese.

Speaker 4 It'll like stick there for a little bit.

Speaker 1 You were doing a little research. yeah

Speaker 4 and you're like you were closing your eyes what would i love to have on this cheese pizza

Speaker 4 what do you think is worse biting your tongue or biting your cheek because i've been on a real tear biting my cheek the last whoa and like or lip if you get the lip bite and then it's bigger and then you keep biting it yeah and then you're like no it's not a herp no the tongue the tongue bleeds more

Speaker 1 Okay, okay. It's good to know.
Is that true?

Speaker 4 Yeah. That's more circulation.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, you should bite your tongue. You just say shit, and I just believe it.
You can bleed out if you like your tongue.

Speaker 8 You can hard enough.

Speaker 4 You can die by biting tongue.

Speaker 8 I don't know about that, but I bit my tongue once. I was bleeding for like three hours.

Speaker 1 That's what it's based off of? Yeah.

Speaker 1 You can bleed out.

Speaker 8 I think it might be possible.

Speaker 1 I'll Google it. Yeah, please do.
Oh, man.

Speaker 4 Yeah, that's tough, Hank. So

Speaker 4 still burning right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, that's bad.
I can feel it.

Speaker 4 Yep. You got to eat more ice cream.

Speaker 1 Can't get away from it.

Speaker 3 That's actually a good call. I'm going to have to do that out there.

Speaker 1 Yes. Take care of yourself.
Take care of your mentals.

Speaker 4 My Fire Fest. Deep smell, baby.
I've got two Fire Fests, and I've been a little bit public with both of them. But my first is that my apartment is just a complete and under war zone.

Speaker 4 It looks like people were negotiating with RG3 in there. It's got the ceiling has been all peeled off.

Speaker 4 It's got mold that's coming because the apartment directly upstairs from me has been having renovations done on it for the past, I don't know, like three, four weeks.

Speaker 4 So every time it rains, they've done something where it leaks through, and the rainwater from the top floor, because I'm on the JV penthouse, no big deal.

Speaker 4 It seeps down into my ceiling and is starting to form cracks and brown spaces.

Speaker 4 And I got back from the shore house last weekend, and I looked up at my ceiling, and it honestly, I could not recognize my own ceiling in my apartment.

Speaker 4 So I'm pretty sure that I'm just breathing in mold.

Speaker 4 24-7 now, and I heard them trying to work on it yesterday, and it was seriously the sound of a man walking around upstairs in what sounded to be like 8 to 12 inches of water. And so so I'm just

Speaker 1 wading through water.

Speaker 4 I'm assuming that I'm just completely spin zone?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 For all the drugs that you don't do,

Speaker 1 kind of like a new trip staring at your ceiling.

Speaker 4 Good point.

Speaker 1 You know, like it's a totally new experience.

Speaker 4 And it's probably increasing the humidity in my apartment for all the drugs that I don't grow.

Speaker 1 Correct, correct. Okay.

Speaker 1 It would actually be a, if you can maybe black out your shades, it sounds like a perfect environment for mushrooms. A trip chest.
To grow. I've got the new trip chest.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but it honestly kind of does suck because

Speaker 1 for what you pay to live in New York City.

Speaker 1 You showed pictures. It definitely sucks.

Speaker 4 It sucks big time.

Speaker 4 And then you try to get in touch with your super and your landlord and all that stuff, and they've got a million other things to do with their slums that they manage, so it takes forever to come out.

Speaker 4 It's just, if I don't show up for work one day, you'll just know that the mold got me. Yeah.
Okay. My other firefest is that nobody wants to come see Limp Biscuit with me in this room.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But that's well, I have a...

Speaker 4 You're going to be out of town. I'm going to be out of town.
Hank's taking care of his mentals this weekend. Yep.
Billy and Jake and Liam just all just ghosted me.

Speaker 4 I gave them an I take full accountability, hand up.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 4 I apologize. I extended an invitation to you guys to come to my luxurious.

Speaker 1 You just downloaded the text. Yeah.

Speaker 8 You don't actually want me to come there.

Speaker 4 I would not have invited you. Are you

Speaker 4 a statement or is it a pleasure?

Speaker 8 I know it's like a polite invite to invite me, so thank you.

Speaker 4 But I'm not going to actually pressure you and go.

Speaker 4 If you want to come, just say that you want to come there.

Speaker 1 No, it's cool. Thank you for including me.

Speaker 4 That was nice of you. But I'm not going to be

Speaker 4 able to actually take you up on it. Yeah.
Okay. All right.
Well, it just.

Speaker 1 You put yourself out there. I did.
But you also put yourself out there knowing

Speaker 1 a quarter of the room was going to say no no matter what.

Speaker 4 But Hank had already said no to me privately.

Speaker 1 And you knew I was out of town. Yeah, yeah.
So you kind of set yourself up to fail.

Speaker 4 Well, I would have expected a response from Jake.

Speaker 1 Like, if I was around town, I would have given you the courtesy

Speaker 1 thanks, but no thanks.

Speaker 4 I would have expected a response at least from Jake.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And up, but Jake should have answered instead of jail.
I guess.

Speaker 4 Maybe my expectations for you are higher than your expectations for yourself. That's true.

Speaker 3 If I didn't still have moving boxes all over my house, I probably would do it. But yeah,

Speaker 3 I got to do it at some point.

Speaker 1 No, I feel awful. Thank you for the invite.
All right, my Fire Fest is: I am going to be out of town. I'm going on a bachelor party.
I'm very worried about that and the hangover that will ensue.

Speaker 1 But more than that, it's the fire fest that I am halfway through

Speaker 1 Outer Bank Season 2, and I just want to finish it.

Speaker 4 Like, I'd rather just finish it than go out of town.

Speaker 3 What time zone is this bachelor party in?

Speaker 1 It is in Central Time Zone. Shit.
Be careful. I will be careful, Hank.
I will be very careful about this.

Speaker 4 Outer Banks Season 2 kicks ass.

Speaker 1 Dude, I just want to finish it. It's so good.
Rafe might be my breakout star of the century.

Speaker 4 JJ is maybe my favorite character in any television show of all time.

Speaker 4 And I love, one of the things I like the most about Outer Banks is they'll just like somebody will be getting strangled, and then they'll cut to a completely different scene somewhere else, and then they'll talk for about five minutes.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 1 And then they'll go back, and the person is still getting stranded yes and oh also they also just no one dies the the premise like the canon of season one was like there's no cell phones none of these people have cell phones and then they all have cell phones that's how they're all it's it's a great show the writing is super tight it's this isn't a spoiler but if you watch season one um they happened to just go from a shipwreck to a boat that just took them like two two feet from uh sarah's house yeah so that was that was convenient wouldn't you say the writing of the show is so strong that it doesn't even bother me that the show clearly doesn't take place in the Outer Banks.

Speaker 4 Right. That obviously takes place in South Turkey.

Speaker 1 That's a great show. I also think Rafe,

Speaker 1 they might be,

Speaker 1 what is it called? Character acting? Like, he might just be high on Coke the whole time. Because I, like, in real life, that's how good he is playing a Cokehead that's lost his mind.
I just love it.

Speaker 1 The murderous Cokehead.

Speaker 4 I love JJ's plans. JJ has a plan for everything.
Yeah, he does. Everyone needs to have a friend like JJ that's willing to go all out for him.

Speaker 1 I also, I'm starting to get annoyed. Like, why is he John B?

Speaker 3 What do you mean?

Speaker 1 Like, what is his last name B?

Speaker 1 Yeah. But why do they call him that? It's B-E-A-U-G-H.

Speaker 1 Right. But why? John B.

Speaker 4 I thought B was his middle name.

Speaker 3 No, that was a joke. Yeah.
I don't know why they call him John B.

Speaker 4 It's funny because like somebody would be

Speaker 4 somebody would be shooting a gun at them and they'll go, watch out, John B.

Speaker 1 Yeah, right. I love it.
But even if

Speaker 1 you're not. But Stephen A.
Smith is Stephen A, right? But if you saw him and you were like hanging out with him, you were best friends with him, you wouldn't be like Stephen A.

Speaker 4 I think I would. I think I would too.

Speaker 1 I think I would

Speaker 1 Stephen A.

Speaker 4 But yeah, just don't watch the show if you've ever looked at a map or a globe or you like

Speaker 1 things like dialogue and plot lines that make sense. Continuity, yeah, don't it's turn your brain off.
Uh, Jake, you're Firefest.

Speaker 7 So, uh, another salad-related thing.

Speaker 1 Oh, man, yeah.

Speaker 7 So, uh, I ordered ahead.

Speaker 1 What a sentence to start that with. Yeah, on the

Speaker 7 restaurant, rhymes with sus jallad, no free ads.

Speaker 1 Sus jallads.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so I ordered my salad ahead, and I ended up ordering it ahead to the one next to my apartment. There's one right here.
They said they had to order, and I had to pay double.

Speaker 4 They wouldn't transfer it over.

Speaker 7 It was $23.

Speaker 7 That's a tough week, dude.

Speaker 3 That one legitimately has the worst customer service I've like.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to throw them under the bus.

Speaker 6 People legitimately just ignore you when you walk in.

Speaker 1 I actually respect that.

Speaker 1 I think like

Speaker 1 medium customer service pisses me off, but when you walk in and it's just like we don't care i kind of like you know what that's fucking badass like you're aloof i mean i'm there every day so like i develop some sort of like eye contact relationship with people where like they kind of know who i am but clearly not because they yeah they freak out nope so but paid double do you have a usual if you walk in or no i'm like will it be the usual sir No, because I ordered ahead.

Speaker 1 There's like Jake?

Speaker 4 But I agree with Big Cat.

Speaker 4 There's something almost French about that type of service where like, I don't know if you've ever been to France or experienced a Parisian restaurant But you walk in and they're just like oh this guy's lucky enough to be dining with us right like I'll get to him whenever actually the worst was one time I went to an outdoor cafe in Paris and they came over to me and they I didn't say a word to them They just immediately took the menu off the table and then put the English menu in front of me and they took away the ashtray that was there and I was like that was a lot of assumptions and they nailed them and they were right so I got mad I went to the store next door and bought a pack of cigarettes just to be like I need the ashtray man you showed that.

Speaker 7 That's a shame because I'm a loyal customer there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you are.

Speaker 1 It's tough. It's a tough week.
All right, Billy.

Speaker 8 My first Fire Fest is, I'm sorry that I brought some bad vibes into the room when I first came in. No, it was great.

Speaker 4 The show was awesome. No,

Speaker 1 it was actually a perfect peek into basically every Billy interaction.

Speaker 1 Come in, blame everyone else, and then be like, you know what? Actually, it was my fault.

Speaker 8 Anyway, that was my first Firefest. Second Fire Fest is I forgot to bring underpants to the gym for when I changed.
So I had to go Commando the other day.

Speaker 1 Sir, wait, are you Commando right now?

Speaker 3 The other day. Okay.

Speaker 1 Wait, no, it's not. No, he's

Speaker 1 Commando right now, and he's blaming it on another workout. No, I'm not.
Show us your underwear.

Speaker 1 Show us your meundies.

Speaker 5 You can't do HIPAA.

Speaker 8 That's a HIPAA violation.

Speaker 1 No, you're not wearing underwear. No, I'm not asking you to show us your balls.

Speaker 1 Just show us your underwear.

Speaker 1 I'm not. Show us your underwear.
A George Kittle.

Speaker 1 No, I'll go. No, just pull your underwear up on the side.
So my favorite polar fire fest is that I'm starting that.

Speaker 4 Here's my underwear.

Speaker 8 Here's my underwear. I started a new show.

Speaker 1 Look, look, there.

Speaker 8 I started a new show.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait. I started a new show.

Speaker 8 And I can't tell anybody about the show because I'm scared they're going to spoil it for me because it's a really old show.

Speaker 8 But it's a really good show, but I want to talk to someone about it who won't spoil it for me.

Speaker 1 The wire.

Speaker 4 It's the wire.

Speaker 1 It is the wire. No.

Speaker 4 Yes, it is.

Speaker 1 No, it's not. Walter White dies in the end.
Fuck.

Speaker 1 No way it's not. No, actually.

Speaker 1 Shit.

Speaker 8 But yeah, that's my other firefighter. Franz King.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's lame.

Speaker 1 No.

Speaker 8 But it's a really good show. It involves planes.

Speaker 3 Michael Scott quits, and then the show sucks.

Speaker 1 Oh, are you watching Lost?

Speaker 4 He's watching Lost.

Speaker 6 Actually, no.

Speaker 4 Whoa. What other plane show is there?

Speaker 1 Wings. It's old.

Speaker 1 Top Gun's not a show.

Speaker 1 No. It's a movie.
No. Mash.

Speaker 3 Billy's definition of old, though, is like when you guys were.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. That's what you guys want to think of.

Speaker 4 What show involves playing?

Speaker 8 It's actually not that old.

Speaker 1 It's like it just came out.

Speaker 1 Not that old.

Speaker 1 Five?

Speaker 1 You said really old show?

Speaker 4 Is it the flight attendant?

Speaker 6 No.

Speaker 4 That's a good show, too.

Speaker 1 Are you watching Catch Me If You Can? No. Okay.
Anyway, that's my Fire Fest. Can you write it down?

Speaker 4 Everyone, guess what show Billy's watching.

Speaker 1 And then spoil it. We'll make this a real Fire Fest.
Let's go.

Speaker 8 No, please don't spoil it for me. I've really invested in it.

Speaker 1 Why did you bring it up? Like, every time I've done that, I've just watched the show, and then at the end, I'm like, hey, I just watched this show. Yeah.
Well,

Speaker 8 anyway, back to there's a you just tempted everyone.

Speaker 1 I did. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 6 But also

Speaker 8 didn't have to show my underwear.

Speaker 8 So there's a huge. Are we on to the recap? Yes.
So there's a huge debate online about LeBron James stands saying that he could knock out Mike Tyson if he was training in his prime.

Speaker 1 Are you watching Manifest? What? What? Yes. No.

Speaker 1 Yes, I am. Yes.
I've never seen it. Fuck.
It's not old. They literally just had the 2018.
2018. I just searched Show About Planes.
That was season one. I've watched it too.

Speaker 1 I searched Show About Planes Popular.

Speaker 1 That's the first one that came up. It's really freaking good.
Okay.

Speaker 8 Anyway, so we were talking about how the Olympics is breaking a bunch of track records recently.

Speaker 4 Wait, go back to the LeBron James and Mike Tyson thing. I'm pretty sure that was just bait.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it was clickbait.

Speaker 4 Because LeBron James would obviously beat up Mike Tyson.

Speaker 4 Jesus. He's way bigger, Billy.

Speaker 1 Dude, Reach. He's bigger.

Speaker 1 Reach. Mike Tyson.

Speaker 4 Yeah, but LeBron James is like 6'9. LeBron's tough.

Speaker 1 He's never flopped.

Speaker 4 And he weighs more.

Speaker 8 Mike Tyson has never flopped.

Speaker 4 LeBron's been in like 50 street fights.

Speaker 4 Mike Tyson is like 5'10 and weighs like 230, too.

Speaker 1 Mike Tyson has been in zero basketball games.

Speaker 8 So people are saying that one of the reasons why so many Olympic track world records have been broken recently is because of two combined things.

Speaker 8 One, Nike released these new track spikes that are supposed to be like having like Carsten Warmholm said that it was like having trampolines on your feet.

Speaker 8 That's like it's new technology and like everyone's copying it and basically it's like like Usain Bolt's record is going to go out the window and then someone who actually moonshoes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like moonshoes. And then the track, right? And the bouncy track.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so

Speaker 1 I read about that. It's basically, and I kind of love this, that every host Olympics wants to break a bunch of records so they just make the track better.

Speaker 8 It's a Mickey Mouse Olympics.

Speaker 1 Wow, but they do that every Olympics, I think.

Speaker 1 Like, that's what I was reading: that basically every Olympic, every host city and host country is like, how can we make this legal, but also break all the records?

Speaker 4 Yeah, well, they were way more lenient this year,

Speaker 8 they think. So it puts the legacy of a lot of great runners up in the air because...

Speaker 4 That's why I'm not catching Olympic fever this year. Yeah.
No, but I'm fine with the tracks being different year to year. I'm totally cool with that.
And also the oxygen thing. You forgot about that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, of course. More oxygen.

Speaker 1 They should do a decathlon, but just for weather.

Speaker 1 Like running in the snow. It's all the 400 meter.
The 400 meters the only event. Snow, rain, hurricane, like 100 degrees, freezing.
That would be cool.

Speaker 4 I actually think that there should just be a Summer Olympics held during the wintertime outdoors, like snow football. Yep.
You get snow track. Yes.
That'd be be sick. In for that?

Speaker 1 Is that it?

Speaker 8 And also, you can't bleed out by biting your tongue, but there was a medieval torture where they'd cut out your tongue and make you strangle on your blood.

Speaker 1 Good recap, Billy. Sweet.

Speaker 4 Great job.

Speaker 1 All right, numbers: 70.

Speaker 4 69.

Speaker 1 99. I can't believe I got the number exactly right.
What a waste.

Speaker 8 Polar bears and grizzly bears can make a groller bear hybrid.

Speaker 6 It's actually really cool. You squiggled them.

Speaker 1 April.

Speaker 1 Oh, 66. Oh, fuck.
I thought I had it for a second.

Speaker 8 Can we get pizza? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Damn it. Groller bear.
Yeah, get my pizza.

Speaker 1 Love you. Pineapple,

Speaker 4 ricotta, two olives, onions.

Speaker 1 Love you.

Speaker 8 Can we get an anchovy, half anchovy?

Speaker 4 It's also called a pisley.

Speaker 8 Depends on who's the father, who's the mother.

Speaker 4 Which one's which?

Speaker 8 I think the father's the pisley. The mother's the groller.

Speaker 1 I think you just made that up completely.

Speaker 4 Love you guys.

Speaker 4 I don't know what

Speaker 4 to say or say it anyway.

Speaker 4 But today is another

Speaker 4 day to find you shy away.

Speaker 4 Off and coming for your love of the game

Speaker 4 Send me less to say

Speaker 4 I'm all designed

Speaker 4 But me, so a little way.

Speaker 4 Still learning that life is okay to say up to me

Speaker 4 It's the better to say who's already

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