Christian Yelich, Pete Alonso’s Derby Pitcher Dave Jauss & Big Ben’s Diet

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Speaker 7 On today's Part of My Take. We got a twofer for the people.
We have a baseball episode of Part of My Take. Christian Yelich, good friend of the program.

Speaker 7 He joins us. We have a new bet with him, and we're very excited to have him on the show.

Speaker 7 We also have Pete Alonso's pitcher from last night's Home Run Derby, Dave Jouse, and he is probably the most interesting baseball lifer there is. So we talked to him.
Great storyteller.

Speaker 7 Been in baseball for 40-plus years. Awesome interview with him.
We also have Big Ben on a Diet, Billy's QB list, Hot Seat, Cool Throne tears.

Speaker 8 Tears of quarterbacks, yeah.

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Speaker 7 Today is Wednesday, July 14th. And to cover our asses, holy shit, can you believe what Shohei Otani did in the All-Star game?

Speaker 8 It's incredible. He struck out the side, perfect game, Homer, excuse me, a perfect inning, and then

Speaker 8 he hit back-to-back home runs.

Speaker 7 Yeah, so we're actually recording the show before the All-Star game because,

Speaker 7 yeah, we're doing it. We're just doing it, and it was a great game.
Shohei Otani was incredible. Joe Buck, we're going to be able to do it.

Speaker 9 We stay up for sports when they matter.

Speaker 7 Yeah. This one,

Speaker 7 we're going to let go, but we have a great baseball show for you.

Speaker 8 It was actually funny. So today on Greenie, the radio show, which I'm sure you've already listened to,

Speaker 8 his producer said, went off on like a three-minute rant crying about how certain players aren't playing in the all-star game. Yeah.
And he just wants them to care as much about the game.

Speaker 7 He doesn't have a lot of people. He cares about the game.
He don't have a car. How are you listening to this?

Speaker 8 Oh, I got a guy that clips up portions and then sends it to me.

Speaker 7 Yeah, because Jacob DeGrom really needs to

Speaker 7 be starting in the All-Star game. That would be smart.
The guy who gets injured every fourth day. But we have a huge baseball episode for you.
Christian Yalic is a great interview.

Speaker 7 And then Dave Jiles, who threw BP to Pete Alonzo, who we should have mentioned is the home run derby champ.

Speaker 7 People are mad because the rules of the home run derby are getting,

Speaker 7 people are getting cheated left and right in terms of when the last pitch is eligible. I don't, I think we're at a point now where we care too much about these rules.

Speaker 8 Well, the only reason I care about it is because they took what was quite literally the simplest competition in sports, which is hit ball over fence.

Speaker 8 Next person, you try to hit more balls over fence than first person did. And then they put a clock in it.
They added extra time based on stat cast. They started measuring like exit velocity.

Speaker 8 No, hold on.

Speaker 7 Wait, before even the extra time because of stat cast, I don't know if you noticed this, but it was three minutes. Then you get 30 seconds extra time just for being there.

Speaker 7 That's three minutes and 30 seconds.

Speaker 8 And you get a timeout that you can incorporate anytime. Timeouts should never be incorporated into the home run derby.
It's a very simple process, big cat.

Speaker 8 You have a guy pitch you a ball, and then you hit the ball a little bit. Dangerous fence.
You mash taters.

Speaker 7 It's the most American thing ever.

Speaker 8 And then if you can smash more dongs than the next guy, then you get that giant bat trophy from Century 21 or whatever.

Speaker 7 And a car, and a truck. So, yeah, and the ESPN broadcast made no sense.
There was just graphics everywhere. All I wanted to see was taters get hit.
I wanted to see kids get hurt, which one kid did.

Speaker 7 Shout out to that kid. Hope you're okay.
I want to see guys fall down. That also happened.

Speaker 7 But that's it.

Speaker 7 You don't have to make something that is so simple and so like, it is the ultimate just turn on the TV, turn your brain off, watch big man hit long balls.

Speaker 8 And then have bigger man, Chris Berman, just say, that's back.

Speaker 7 Back, back, back, back, back, back, back, back. You don't ask for a lot, big cat.
And sweat. And John Kruck needs to sweat as well.

Speaker 8 John Kruck needs to sweat. Chris Berman needs to say back.
Mark Teshur needs to be sitting there wearing a jock strap, not really saying much of anything.

Speaker 8 We don't ask for a lot out of our sports, but I feel like the home run derby is is something that this would, this is really like

Speaker 8 the feather in his cap, the piece de resistance for Rob Manfred. Be like, I fucked up the home run derby.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 No one thought I could do it. It was so simple.
But yeah, I mean, Pete Alonzo was incredible, and Dave Jouls was incredible. We have him on the show.

Speaker 8 I don't want to trash Petalonzo because, again, we do have his pitcher on the show. Great guy, all-time baseball guy.
And I like Pete Alonzo. But, man, C is coming back from colon cancer.

Speaker 8 Can we just not let him win? Yeah. Like, he was fucking awesome last night.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah, I think, though, I think Pete Alonzo probably was like, look, finals, that's good enough.
Yeah. For the cancer survivor.
Like, that's kind of like, hey, you know, there was a moment.

Speaker 7 Now I got to go beat you.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's true. It's true.
He wasn't going to turn it off, but I think everybody at home was like...

Speaker 8 What a story it would be if Mancy. Because it is, like, coming back from colon cancer, it's fucking incredible what he's done.

Speaker 7 Yes, insane. And Shohei Otani, though, like, come on.
We all turned in for you. We all tuned in for you.
And that was, he was ripping doubles, and that's about it.

Speaker 7 Like, I know he went to the extra time, but, like, come on, man.

Speaker 7 You have to get out of the first round for the people.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, Wan Soto did hit that bomb 520 feet. Yeah.
So the over-under.

Speaker 7 He just cashed it. The over-under on that.

Speaker 8 That was clutch. Yeah, that was very clutch.
Over-under was 519 and a half feet, which I think would be the longest home run hit in the last 20 years. Like the stat caster.

Speaker 7 Why are you looking at me?

Speaker 8 It's something like that. I don't know.

Speaker 7 I don't know.

Speaker 8 Because you knew the over-under.

Speaker 7 Oh, it was five years. Yeah, I knew that.
But I do not know how long the longest home run was.

Speaker 8 Yeah, so that's how high the over-under was set.

Speaker 7 Kyle Schwarber's home run where he hit in the river in Pittsburgh. Yeah, that was

Speaker 7 2,600. Actually, the one against the Cardinals, that one hasn't landed.

Speaker 8 Okay, so, but Juan Soto essentially hit the longest home run of the last five years and only beat the over by half a foot. Yes.
And thank God I bet on it. Thank God.

Speaker 7 Thank God we got that. So way to go, childish Bambino, which is a great nickname.

Speaker 7 All right. What?

Speaker 8 How great would it have been if Castellanos had been playing?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Something tragic had happened?

Speaker 8 That would have been so wonderful.

Speaker 7 The kid definitely would have gotten hurt during his hip-back.

Speaker 8 Yeah, absolutely. There would have been an ambulance on the field.

Speaker 8 Has it ever happened where in the home run derby somebody hits a home run, and while the ball is still in the air, hasn't landed yet, they hit another one out?

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's the whole.

Speaker 8 Oh, the Josh Hamilton. That happened then.

Speaker 7 Wait, that was a few years ago, too. That was the whole thing with Schwarber as well.

Speaker 7 They were saying that it was illegal because there's an ump there who watches the whole thing, which I love, love, love.

Speaker 7 The ump in the home run derby and the ref in the three-point contest, just sitting there and whistling it. That guy, just mail-in city.

Speaker 8 But I guess what I'm asking is: has there ever been a player that's hit a home run that went so high that his next pitch that he hit had actually landed before the first?

Speaker 7 I don't know if that has happened, but I know that there was multiple that was like

Speaker 8 himself.

Speaker 7 Yes, yes. Um, all right, so other stories.
We got Big Ben on a diet, one of the funniest, greatest stories out of training camp. Big Ben is officially year 18 in the NFL.
He is going to diet.

Speaker 7 I likened it to after a long weekend of drinking and eating terrible food. And you say to yourself, you know what? I'm going to eat a salad on Monday.

Speaker 7 I'll maybe do 20 push-ups. Wow, I'm back.
That's what Big Ben is doing as a career, where he spent 17 years eating PF Chang and doing whatever he wants.

Speaker 7 And then year 18, he's like, why is Tom Brady playing still? Oh, because he eats healthy? You know what? Honey, get me a vegetable. Let me try one of these things.

Speaker 8 I don't know if you saw the report, Big Cat, but the report was that he is doing the TB12 method, except the Ben Rothes burger method is more strict than the TB12 method.

Speaker 8 So is it the Big Ben BB7 or is it BR7 diet?

Speaker 8 I think it's a BR7 diet. I think it's basically like no meat before breakfast.

Speaker 7 It's probably just not eating. He's probably going to see how long he can fast.

Speaker 7 He's going to get to about 10.45 in the morning.

Speaker 8 I want him very badly to come up with his own nutrition plan. Yes.
It's like for every milkshake that you drink, you have to have a glass of water. Or at least a Sierra Mist.

Speaker 7 Did you see the so the report coming from this guy, Ryan Burr, who had one of the weirdest like conversations with himself about Big Ben?

Speaker 7 I'm going to read you just a couple tweets because they're very good. He started, just his credentials real quick.
I started covering Ben as a basketball player in high school.

Speaker 7 I was in Toledo, played wide receiver on a football team because Coach's son was a QB. Ben Rothsberger was QB senior year, made most of it, covered him at Miami, Ohio.
That was first transformation.

Speaker 7 Day after drafted by the Steelers, sent me to his house for the interview.

Speaker 7 In Pittsburgh, saw Rothlessberger transform again into star QB. That didn't go well.
I mean, he won a Super Bowl, but whatever. Motorcycle booze women.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 8 The women part is doing a lot of work. Yeah.

Speaker 7 So then

Speaker 7 he's quote-treating himself, by the way, this whole thread. He doesn't know how to thread.
He said, then he married, was forced to settle down. I'm sure Rothsberger's wife would love that.

Speaker 7 What happened? Yeah. Wait.

Speaker 8 I'm trying to put together that order chronologically. So first it was motorcycles and women.

Speaker 7 No,

Speaker 7 first it was wide receiver to quarterback. Yep.
Then

Speaker 8 no one's ever done that before.

Speaker 7 Correct way to go. Yes.

Speaker 8 Then there was a motorcycle and then a woman. Booze.

Speaker 8 Booze the middle.

Speaker 7 Motorcycle booze women.

Speaker 7 i think it's actually booze motorcycle booze women yes and then after that it was uh he gets married and then he settles down afterwards right after he gets married yeah then he married was forced to settle down overcoming a lot of adversity yes right okay hold on but the narrative of beer guzzling lazy ben never went away um okay then we get to

Speaker 7 find me an athlete

Speaker 7 and professional I'm quoting this exactly find me an athlete and professional sport that gets blamed for for everything as much as Ben Rothesberger.

Speaker 7 From source in Rothesberger camp, he is tired of it. His ego is tired of it.
That's just Ben, right?

Speaker 8 But Source and Rothelsberger's camp, it's just like Ben goes upstairs and uses the landline.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you admitted at the beginning of this that you've been covering him since he was like 14 years old. You know him well enough that he's just telling you this.

Speaker 7 Find me an athlete in professional sport that gets blamed for everything as much as Ben Rothesberger. From source in Rothesberger camp, he is tired of it.
His ego is tired of it.

Speaker 7 If Steelers don't run the ball, it's because Ben Rothsberger only wants shotgun. If offensive line has trouble, Ben Rothsberger holds ball too long.

Speaker 7 If defense struggles, Ben Rothsberger scores too quick. Listen, I have seen the total a-hole Ben.
I have seen the unprepared out-of-shape Ben.

Speaker 7 I am told for what it's worth, those former Ben's have been buried in a grave.

Speaker 8 Big Ben's spirals are so tight that defensive backs can't help but intercept them once they get their hands on them. They're so damn catchable.
I'm sick of him getting blamed for those.

Speaker 7 That is fucking hilarious. I also

Speaker 7 none of it is true. Good job Ben.

Speaker 8 Well, I do think that the first three things that you mentioned could probably be true. It's like, yeah, Big Ben doesn't want to do anything but run out of shotgun.
Yes, that's true.

Speaker 7 Yeah, but also Ben Rosberger does not get blamed more than any athlete in sports. That's just not true.

Speaker 8 I think he probably gets blamed more than any athlete on the Steelers in the last

Speaker 8 five years because he's the quarterback of the Steelers.

Speaker 7 And I don't even think that's true because think about who they had. They had guys that everyone hated.

Speaker 8 No, it's still Ben. It's still Ben.

Speaker 7 No, but they had guys that ran, you know, I mean, like, think about it. Antonio Brown.
Like, they had, what, LaShawn McCoy? Like, they had guys, or Le'Veon Bell. Sorry, Le'Veon Bell.

Speaker 7 They had guys that, like, everyone's like, that's their fault. Ben has actually gotten one of the greatest passes.

Speaker 7 in sports because he won early and he's a great he's a hall of fame quarterback this isn't anti-ben this is just, this is like Ben going mega here where he's saying, listen, if you thought the injuries were not enough, well, here's also my ego has been bruised.

Speaker 8 Ben's being a little extra right now.

Speaker 7 He's being a little extra.

Speaker 8 It's because he's starting to hear all the talk. It's about that time of year where people start to say Ben Rothesberger is the worst quarterback in his division again.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 That's always a hot button topic that you can say.

Speaker 7 And I just want it on the record for the billionth time. I like Ben Rothsberger.
I think he's fucking, first of all, he's funny.

Speaker 7 Second of all, I've always said that he's like, I would take him, maybe not now, but for the majority of his career, I said I'd take him over anyone in terms of a fourth quarter situation.

Speaker 7 So Steelers fans that are going to get mad at us. Big Ben is funny to joke about.
It's just a fact. You have to be able to laugh at Big Ben.

Speaker 7 The fact that he was like, he did a documentary by himself that basically had a doctor saying they've never seen an injury quite like what Big Ben went through.

Speaker 7 And then after that documentary, he was like, you know what? This isn't enough. I need to also have a report that I'm the most

Speaker 7 like criticized athlete of all time.

Speaker 7 What the fuck are we talking about?

Speaker 7 And now he's got a diet. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Big Ben the martyr. It's the martyr diet, the BB7 method, which is just something green has to be in your refrigerator at all times.
That's the kind of diet guy that Big Ben is.

Speaker 8 We've all been in that situation where you just open up the door and you're like, okay, there's a salad in my refrigerator. I'm currently on a diet.
That's healthy.

Speaker 7 It just has to. All he really needs to do is skim milk.

Speaker 7 That's the Big Ben method. You know what? I'm going to skim and I will,

Speaker 7 every now and then I'll eat a carrot. And I won't like it, but I'll eat it.

Speaker 8 Skim milk and unflavored lube.

Speaker 7 But seriously, this is the most relatable that Big Ben has ever been because he is that, like, choosing year 18 to start a diet.

Speaker 7 You've never seen a Ben like this.

Speaker 7 His metabolism can't work anymore. Like,

Speaker 7 I'm in later 30s male. I know what metabolism does to you.
Like, there's just no way you could be like, hey, you know what? At 36, I'm about, or 39, I think he is now, but I'm 36.

Speaker 7 I'm about to get in the best shape of my life. Like, no, that's a fact that you will not.

Speaker 7 You can do everything you want, but you will not be in the best shape of your life.

Speaker 8 Do you think we'd be allowed to write his diet book, like the TB12 method, if we just did it on our own and sold it?

Speaker 7 I think people would buy it. Yeah.
TB7. I mean, it's a good name.
I mean, it's pretty easy. It's like, if you're going to Buffalo Wild Wings, get a Diet Coke.
Yeah. If you're

Speaker 7 still get the wings and the fries and everything, get a Diet Coke.

Speaker 8 I honestly think just no meat before breakfast should pretty much settle all those weight issues.

Speaker 7 Yeah, the old classic, when you get a steak, instead of the fries, go rice pilaf. Not a salad, not a side salad, rice pilaf.

Speaker 8 No Cajun fries. No Cajun.
The standard fries.

Speaker 7 Yeah. You don't want to put sodium.

Speaker 8 You can ask for the old bay on the side and maybe sprinkle some on your own. Yes.

Speaker 8 I would say, like,

Speaker 8 if you're going to a seafood restaurant, only one deep-fried item per dinner.

Speaker 8 It can be your main dish. Yep.
But just don't get the deep-fried clams and the deep-fried tilapia.

Speaker 7 Yeah, and the calamari. Well, calamari.

Speaker 8 Calamari's not, that's not seafood.

Speaker 7 That's really on the side. No, no, no, no, no, it's not trash, but Ben can get it.

Speaker 7 You know, I think like things like maybe two mozzarella sticks instead of six.

Speaker 8 I would say never eat over half of any appetizer that's ordered to the table.

Speaker 8 You get up to 49%.

Speaker 8 49%.

Speaker 7 Okay, all right.

Speaker 8 49%. And I'm not talking about if it's you and your lovely bride who you truly enjoy being married to that you didn't have to settle down for.
Yes.

Speaker 8 When you go out to dinner with her, like, yeah, you can go 65, 70% all day. Yes.
Because, like, you're a growing boy still. You're a big Ben.
You're an athlete. You need to recover.

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 8 But if you're going out with a family and you've got like three kids around, limit yourself to 49%.

Speaker 7 Oh, here's it. When you go to PF Chains, because you go to PF Chains every single week, maybe go with not the pan-fried pot stickers.
to the boiled pot stickers. That's actually right there.

Speaker 7 I don't know. No, that would

Speaker 7 solve it all.

Speaker 8 Here's all you have to do, Ben. Just tell everybody that you bought an air fryer.

Speaker 8 It's so much healthier that way.

Speaker 8 You don't even have to do shit differently. Just be like, I got the air fryer.
It changed my life. I just hope Big Ben never retires.

Speaker 7 I really, truly don't. I'm going to be so sad when it happens because I need these stories forever.
He's the most criticized athlete I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 7 It's not even close. Well, by far.

Speaker 8 Like way more than LeBron James. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, it's just, it's the offensive line.

Speaker 7 You know?

Speaker 7 No, it's actually Ben.

Speaker 8 He's more persecuted than Colin Kaeperner.

Speaker 7 He holds the ball too long. Yeah.
Yeah. It's absolute fact.

Speaker 8 Well, that is very true. Like the first two things that you read off were what? He demands to have the ball run out of shotgun because he's too lazy to move his feet.
True.

Speaker 8 And then the second one was, would you just say a second?

Speaker 7 If O-line has trouble, Ben holds the ball too long. Also true.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Those are just demonstrably true things.

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 10 Also, I just love that his ego is tired of it.

Speaker 7 That Ben got on the phone with this guy and was like, hey, listen, you know, listen, Ben can handle this but Ben's ego is tired of it you think Ben gets on the phone he does like a different voice for his spokesperson like hey this is uh

Speaker 7 it's Jonathan from Ben's camp he probably just uses his kids names yeah think of anything um all right one other thing before we get to hot seat cool throw on USA basketball sucks we just suck well you know what we haven't flipped the switch yet big cat so I was but we are getting closer and closer to a not flip switchable scenario I just think that we might like I'm now

Speaker 7 Okay, there's

Speaker 7 two ways to look at this. There's one, there's, well, the most important one.
We need Lou Dort. I know he's Canadian.
Shut up. Coach K would never lose two games in North Carolina.

Speaker 7 He would absolutely never.

Speaker 9 You guys roast him day in and day out. He stops being the USA coach.
They lose to Nigeria and Australia back-to-back.

Speaker 7 Okay, okay. Coincidence?

Speaker 8 Is this all shaping up for LeBron James to come back and become the hero that America needs?

Speaker 7 LeBron could help this team, but he refuses to play.

Speaker 7 He's got the Monstars to worry about.

Speaker 8 No, the

Speaker 7 Goonscotts worry about it.

Speaker 8 But isn't this the perfect scenario for LeBron to actually come back?

Speaker 8 We're getting close to a point where we're begging LeBron James to play for Team USA.

Speaker 7 Well, I don't even think it's LeBron. You just need a fucking point guard, and you need a roster that isn't all scores.
Ben Simmons.

Speaker 7 Carmelo.

Speaker 7 No, that's... I said, not all scores.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I said Ben Simmons. Yeah, no, Ben Simmons.

Speaker 7 It's also very funny that

Speaker 7 I watch a little of the game.

Speaker 7 It's actually what basketball should be because all of the guys in the NBA are looking for all the fouls that they call in the NBA and they don't call them in

Speaker 7 the FIBA, right? So they're doing the jump into a guy. They're doing the going up for a layup and throwing their head back.
And the rest are just letting them play. And it's fucking awesome.

Speaker 7 But the NBA players don't know what to do about it because all these guys are like that. They're used to getting those calls.

Speaker 7 So I think that's one of the problems and also they just have a roster that's all scores every guy on that team like what do they do number one they score you need a you know what you need you need like a marcus smart you need a bobby portis you need some of these guys some grit and grind guys charles oakley charles oakley bring him back you need some guys that are going to get dirty with it Lou Dort.

Speaker 7 Marcus Smart. Get him to be an American.

Speaker 8 Grayson Allen.

Speaker 7 Grayson Allen would be great. You need some guys who don't care about getting shots.
They just want to box out and do shit.

Speaker 9 You don't think it's has anything to do with a coach that isn't used to coaching the pros and is used to coaching the college players and bringing players together and coaching them as a team?

Speaker 9 You don't think that has anything to do with this?

Speaker 7 The greatest coach of all time? No, Coach K? No. You know what would happen, though? Thank God Coach K isn't coaching this team because he would have fucking coached him.
Wow, that's on the floor.

Speaker 7 Like, I can't coach these guys.

Speaker 9 That's a butterfly effect. They never would have lost these games.

Speaker 7 But if they did, he would have fucked up. But he was.

Speaker 8 Hank, are you dismissing Nigeria's accomplishments?

Speaker 7 They've dismissed. No, I'm dismissing Nigeria.

Speaker 9 Listen, losing one game,

Speaker 9 whatever. It's not like an official sanctioned game.
Losing once is fine. That happens.

Speaker 7 That happens all the time.

Speaker 9 Losing two in a row.

Speaker 7 All right, but he's unexpected. Okay, so here's the silver lining.
Thank you to the USA because they lost these games so that the points red will be a lot lower.

Speaker 8 Thank you, Team Euros. Thank you, Team Eurasia.
Also, I mean, you're competing against Delhi, who's one of the greatest international players of all time.

Speaker 8 His game was really designed to play at the Olympic level. Here's about gold.

Speaker 7 You need guys.

Speaker 7 The roster makes no sense.

Speaker 7 There's no one else they can pick from, but like when you saw who's out there They all like they they're all stars on their teams is Chris Ball gonna play no fuck Chris Middleton and but Giannis

Speaker 7 I asked about that question today. Yeah, can Giannis play for Giannis we need Giannis no Chris Middleton's gonna play and I want to say Devin Booker which that's another scorer

Speaker 7 So I don't know maybe Drew Holiday is on the team as well.

Speaker 8 We got to blow this team up. We do.
I think we have to blow it up already.

Speaker 7 You know what they should do is they should just send they should send Baylor. Send the Baylor national championship team.

Speaker 8 I thought you were going to say send A.J. Titties.

Speaker 7 Nope.

Speaker 7 Have Rhodes go back to A.J. Titties.

Speaker 8 Have him suck a championship right into those names.

Speaker 7 Nope, that wasn't what I was saying. Just get a point guard.
Just get a point guard.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you could get a point guard, I guess.

Speaker 7 Have Lonzo go on that team.

Speaker 8 And blow the whole team? No.

Speaker 8 Oh, play point guard for the team.

Speaker 7 Got it.

Speaker 7 We got to get, like, so we need

Speaker 7 the PMT stats account. Does he still do stats? How many times has PFT mentioned A.J.
Titties?

Speaker 8 You guys just have been...

Speaker 7 You've you've been bonked crazy recently though you bonked me 17 million times on sunday for what for everything i said so you did the same to me addison rae yeah oh yeah you're right i did bonk you

Speaker 8 but to be fair at the time i thought she might have been 17.

Speaker 7 i i never thought she was 17. at least for three years i haven't um all right let's get to our hot seat cool throne uh hot seat cool thrones brought to you by our friends at Give It Up for Chicago.

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Speaker 8 So let's see. The Bolts left it all on the ice.

Speaker 8 We turned that ice into beer in honor of the Tampa Bay Lightning winning back-to-back with Breweda Limited Edition beer made with a team's actual game ice.

Speaker 7 So does that mean that there's actually blood on this ice?

Speaker 8 Is there blood in this beer?

Speaker 7 I don't think so.

Speaker 7 Do you have any sweat?

Speaker 7 Yes. Okay.

Speaker 9 Those things look like they could contain some heat.

Speaker 7 For a very long time. Yeah, like the.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Anyway.

Speaker 8 Were you asking if the beer is still frozen? No, he said.

Speaker 7 No, I said there's not refrigerator. It hasn't been refrigerated yet.
Like, us personally haven't refrigerated it, and Hank's

Speaker 7 ice in there.

Speaker 8 This is like Blake Bortle's seeing snow for the first time. He's like, it's wet.

Speaker 9 Right. Anyway, my hot seat is our darling Cake Marsh

Speaker 9 for a couple reasons. The first is our rematch is back this Thursday on stool stream, so his run is the best in the office will be over.
Once that's over, go make your picks and play Barcelona app.

Speaker 9 And secondly, he's on a work trip right now in Arkansas with the Musk Bus and Barcelona Bench Mob. And a video came out of him dapping up the Musk Bus, Coach Muss, and it's...

Speaker 9 One of the worst visuals I've seen from any member of this podcast in a long time. And I've seen some really bad visuals.

Speaker 7 Definitely one of the worst handshake visuals ever seen. Oh, my God.

Speaker 9 I asked Bitcat to watch it live, and he's watching it live now.

Speaker 7 What is this? Can you break it down?

Speaker 8 Yeah, what happens is Jake goes in.

Speaker 8 It looks like Musk goes in for the handshake, and Jake just goes for a hug. Like

Speaker 7 buckle with a buckle.

Speaker 8 Jake's trying to put his belly button on

Speaker 7 Musk's belly.

Speaker 7 All right, so here's the problem. So Musk gave him the shirt.
So Jake is like, hey, we're not doing a handshake because you have a shirt in your hand, so I can't shake your hand.

Speaker 7 He's got the shirt in his right hand. He gives him the shirt, and then Musk gives him a little, like, thanks for coming out.
And Jake just, like,

Speaker 7 collapses in his arms

Speaker 7 to be held softly by Muss.

Speaker 7 What is that? So...

Speaker 8 So what happens is Jake, it looks like he switches. Okay, he's got to...

Speaker 7 Alright, no.

Speaker 8 Jake gets the shirt in his right hand and then quickly switches the shirt to his left. So Jake's ready.

Speaker 7 But Jake wanted to be held by

Speaker 8 Jake kind of reset to do a handshake.

Speaker 7 That's like titty-slapped him a little bit.

Speaker 8 Muscleman just gave him like the, I'm going to tap your shoulder. And Jake just put his whole body on him.

Speaker 7 He just, he literally, he's like, he's like, let me just be Little Spoon for a minute.

Speaker 7 One little second. Hold me and tell me everything's going to be okay.

Speaker 8 And then this is maybe the most relatable part about this whole thing. After an awkward encounter or a missed handshake, Jake takes three steps in the wrong direction,

Speaker 8 realizes that he's going the wrong way, has to turn around and walk back, but

Speaker 8 he lets Coach go in front of him so it's not that awkward. Yeah.
Like they're talking to each other after the weird handshake.

Speaker 7 And Rico's carrying a huge big box because Jake can't hold it.

Speaker 7 His alpha status might be in question.

Speaker 9 And like I said, Thursday we're playing ping pong. This could all be what I need.

Speaker 7 Oh my God.

Speaker 9 I also, the other funny thing I saw from this trip is that they're in the gym. They're like with the team, you know,

Speaker 9 on scene. And Jake's worn a collared shirt both days because he's a Big J.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean, he is. Yeah, I guess.
This is a big trip for him.

Speaker 9 Right, everyone else is wearing t-shirts. All the other guys are just, you know, t-shirts and shorts because you're in a basketball gym in Arkansas, and Jake's still got the jeans, casual Big J.

Speaker 9 Big J, nonetheless.

Speaker 7 The best part about this is, I love Jake. I truly do.
Jake,

Speaker 7 when something like this happens, he will be replaying it in his head for 24 hours, like mumbling under his breath, like, I can't believe I didn't, I screwed up that handshake.

Speaker 7 I can't believe that I softly fell into Muscleman's arms because I wanted to be held by him. I can't believe that I kind of would have wished he kissed me on the top of the head.
I can't believe it.

Speaker 7 Like, he'll see, he'll just be saying that to himself constantly. He can't get over these type of things.
So, no one mentioned it.

Speaker 8 Hank, you're going to have to go in for a hug if you beat him.

Speaker 7 Yes. Yeah.
You had to hold him.

Speaker 7 No, handshake hug. Yeah, just pull it back.
If you beat him really bad.

Speaker 8 If you're in Arkansas or Alabama right now, as they're on the

Speaker 8 Bemocracy Tour? Yes, the Bemocracy. As they're on the Bemocracy Tour, if you see Jake, instead of going up and giving him a handshake, just give him a hug.

Speaker 7 Just give him a hug. Just hold him.

Speaker 7 He wants to be held.

Speaker 8 It's not your fault, Jake. He's Little Spoon.
It's not your fault.

Speaker 7 Damn, that was awkward.

Speaker 9 Yeah, anyway, and my cool throne is Tortoises.

Speaker 7 I saw it. Yep.

Speaker 9 So I don't know what event. It looked like it was at the dog show, but it wasn't at the dog show.
But it looked like an event that looks similar to the dog show.

Speaker 7 What tipped you off to that it wasn't the dog show?

Speaker 9 Well, no, but you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 9 Well, no, but the venue of it.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Like, I don't know what other event is.

Speaker 8 I don't know what dog show vibes.

Speaker 7 I'm not the look at the video does look like the dog show. The background, yes.

Speaker 8 And also on the floor, it had like the little tent set up.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I don't know why you guys are mocking me. How else would you describe what that place looked like?

Speaker 8 Because there was a rabbit and there was a turtle, but no dogs.

Speaker 7 Zero dogs.

Speaker 9 But I'm trying to set the scene for the listeners.

Speaker 9 Describe what it looks like. It looks like a dog show.

Speaker 7 No dogs. That's exactly what it looks like.

Speaker 7 Which is.

Speaker 9 just you can't have a dog show with no dogs it's a convention well yeah but what the like again i my point was to say i don't know why they had this tortoise in the hair race because that's not something you just do for no reason and that's not something that people would keep you see the numbers on it though right video anyway back to my the point is that they did whatever this fucking event was did a tortoise and a hair race and the the the tortoise won.

Speaker 7 I'm a I everyone knows.

Speaker 8 The hair just stopped dead.

Speaker 7 Everyone knows I'm a terrible terrible gambler. If they did it again, I would bet on the hair.
Like, his first step was so fast. Yeah.
I was like, how could he lose this?

Speaker 8 I mean, you have to take the hair every time because I think if they did this race 99 times, I think the hair wins 98 times.

Speaker 7 That's how dumb we are that

Speaker 7 a story you learn when you're four years old, we have not internalized.

Speaker 8 Definitely not.

Speaker 7 PFT. Good hot seat, cool throne, Hank.

Speaker 8 Both low-key bangers. This turtle is kind of a...

Speaker 7 It's like the dog show, dog show thing. That's a fact.

Speaker 7 The turtle is kind of a tryhard i agree like what other event is this at like seriously i'll just give you a hard time i i really hope that it was a dog show and this was like halftime of the dog show

Speaker 7 that would make sense more than anything else that would be so good vindication

Speaker 8 uh uh my hot seat is the entire pga not not because brooks is about to be on a warpath because he is and because a reporter called bryson brooks by mistake today that was awesome which i'm sure was completely a mistake the guy sounded like he was from England or Ireland, so I can't imagine

Speaker 8 he's up to speed on our trolling of Bryson DeChambeau.

Speaker 8 But the real reason why the PGA is on the hot seat and all other golfers besides Patrick Reed is that his wife has started to tweet again from the burner.

Speaker 7 Oh, nice.

Speaker 8 It's been a while. She's been offline for a while, but she had to log on today.
And you tell me, because it's still unconfirmed that this is his wife. But, I mean, let's get real.

Speaker 8 Okay, the handle is use golf facts, all uppercase facts.

Speaker 7 This is what we found when he got criticized for rules infraction. She was tweeting about Rory and all that stuff, right?

Speaker 8 So the accountant tweeted today: How many times does Patrick Reed have to start late/slash early? Okay, not just not just all the majors, but regular events too.

Speaker 8 And then she tagged all the major championships. In his last three majors, he started at 4:15 p.m., 5:15 p.m., and now 3:15 p.m.

Speaker 7 tea times by world rank and if it's a draw let's see it wait but aren't tea times like thursday you're late and then oh okay so she's saying late and then early the next day because they do flop like if you go late on thursday you go early on friday wow they

Speaker 7 i'm not gonna i'm not gonna lie just i know that it's used golf facts but Those are facts.

Speaker 8 They are facts. Right.
And like, honestly, it's relationship goals to have somebody that will defend you like Patrick Reed's wife defends him.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 7 they're trying to take down Patrick Reed via T-Times. That's pretty clear.
Also, shout out Brooks. We just have to say it.
Consummate pro. He said that if he and

Speaker 7 Bryson are on the Ryder Cup team together,

Speaker 7 he'll find a way to get along for a week.

Speaker 8 Well, yeah, he said.

Speaker 7 Or they're not going to be team together.

Speaker 8 He said,

Speaker 8 I can find, I'm pretty sure I can find a way to get along with just about anybody for a week. Yeah.
Ringing endorsement of their friendship. That's very nice.

Speaker 8 I honestly think that Bryson Bryson is the last person that Brooks would want to hang out with for a week. Yes.
Like, literally, the last person on earth. Yes.

Speaker 8 So, yeah, that's my hot seat. Also, shout out Patrick Reed's wife.
I just think that it's sweet that she supports

Speaker 7 endorsement.

Speaker 8 Because literally nobody else in the world will.

Speaker 8 And then my... What?

Speaker 7 That's a bonk? I didn't bonk you.

Speaker 8 That's a bonk for saying I'm a fan of their loving relationship.

Speaker 7 See, I agree with you that bonks have gotten out of control, but you also have gotten very horny. I'm not horny at all.
I'm not horny.

Speaker 8 Nope. Maybe once or twice a day, but not all day.

Speaker 8 My cool throne is Terrell Pryor. Terrell Pryor is

Speaker 8 asking for the 2010 wins for Ohio State to be restored to the university,

Speaker 8 which I guess makes sense. Agreed.
It's like they get, looking back on it, that was like the biggest nothing story that's maybe ever happened in college sports that had the biggest ramifications.

Speaker 8 So Terrell Pryor got tattoos, and then it basically took out Ohio State for a a couple years. Yes.
Jim Tressel had to quit, and he was known as the senator because he had like the

Speaker 8 squeaky clean image that he had going on. And so, yeah, tattoos brought down Jim Tressel in Ohio State, and now Terrell Pryor wants it back.
And honestly, if I'm Terrell Pryor, why not? Yeah.

Speaker 7 It did lead to Urban Meyer and then Ryan Day, so they can't be that upset overall. But yeah, I agree.
He should get it back. Right, absolutely.

Speaker 8 And I also respect on Terrell Pryor's part, tastefully waiting for like a week after Reggie Bush was like, hey, give me my Heisman back, knowing that everybody was like, Yes, Reggie Bush is the person who deserves to be celebrated.

Speaker 8 Heisman first. And then Terrell's like, also just like tack my name onto that list if you could.

Speaker 7 All right, my hot seat is quarterback rankings because Billy dropped his tier system, and it's fire. It's just fire.
Go read it right now. Burn it.

Speaker 7 There are a couple things of note, and then Billy, you can chime in wherever.

Speaker 9 The worst quarterback of all time was not tier A.

Speaker 7 Did you know that Jared Goff is not Jared Gioff?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I had a spell correct thing going. Got it.

Speaker 8 It auto-corrected.

Speaker 9 That was an homage to PFT.

Speaker 7 Yes. Yes.
That always works. Yes.
Yes. And then

Speaker 7 two, I really liked what you did with the Saints situation. You said that you couldn't find a picture of Jameis and Taysom, so you just did a picture of Drew Brees instead.

Speaker 7 And then you said, whatever is happening at the Saints organization, I put Jameis and Taysom on the same level. I think Sean Payton is going to tank for a high draft pick.

Speaker 7 Jameis' workout videos aren't helping.

Speaker 10 Does anyone think that Jameis Winston can actually

Speaker 10 be the one of ones Jameis Winston?

Speaker 7 The guy came out. Yes.
All he does all day is name search and that's what he just was DMing. You ever heard about defending the wall? That's what he does for Jameis Winston.

Speaker 8 You don't think that his workout videos are helping at all? Dude, he made a three-point shot with a football with his eyes closed.

Speaker 10 He couldn't see in the first place.

Speaker 7 No, he can't now. He got basic.

Speaker 8 Now he's adapted. He was literally born into the darkness, Billy.
You merely inherited it.

Speaker 7 Yeah. What is if they share the same letter, they're equal but separate tiers?

Speaker 10 Oh, so like I have some of the tiers, I like two B's.

Speaker 10 And it's more of like some are rising stars while others are like fallen angels and they're eclipsing.

Speaker 7 So the tiers don't matter or they do?

Speaker 10 They do, but they're separate.

Speaker 8 So Billy just kind of took groups of quarterbacks that he thinks are similar in certain ways and put them together and then kind of stacked them up from best groups to worst groups.

Speaker 10 Well, because guys with longer careers have more of an upside.

Speaker 7 Also, isn't RG3? He's just got signed by ESP.

Speaker 8 Well, that's the bidding war.

Speaker 7 He hasn't made a decision yet. No, no, he did.
I thought. I thought it was announced today.
No, that's the break the glass at? That was yesterday. Yeah.
PFT. Come on.
Damn.

Speaker 7 It's been so much time getting horny. You missed it.

Speaker 8 I was probably jacking off.

Speaker 10 Wait, so that means

Speaker 10 that was my break the glass in case of emergency, which is

Speaker 7 best.

Speaker 7 And Deshaun Watson is J, the last tier? Well,

Speaker 7 what is it? That's. I didn't read it.

Speaker 10 probably

Speaker 7 read it?

Speaker 10 Like,

Speaker 8 yeah. Okay.
Okay, hang on. I'm going to read it right now.
The last tier.

Speaker 7 Did you find out about...

Speaker 8 I don't see anything about RG3.

Speaker 7 Uncertain futures. Nice, Billy.

Speaker 8 Garoppolo, Locke, and Watson.

Speaker 8 That's a tough break to have Garoppolo and Locke in the same group as Watson.

Speaker 10 I just kind of want to sneak that one in there and not deal with it.

Speaker 8 What about

Speaker 8 No Teddy Bridgewater?

Speaker 8 You just handed the starting drop to Drew Locke?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Okay. Honestly, the the program I was using to make these tiers didn't have some of the pictures.

Speaker 8 The advanced software system.

Speaker 7 Yeah, the advanced software system that you had. Yeah.
That you're making sure.

Speaker 10 Can you please get me a computer?

Speaker 8 Okay, I'm looking more at it here. The ugly ducklings.
You've got

Speaker 8 Joe Burrow as an ugly duckling.

Speaker 8 Dude, he had his teeth straightened. Did you see the choppers?

Speaker 8 He's not ugly. He's just like...

Speaker 10 His hair is their first seasons may have not been considered beautiful, but they can still blossom into swans.

Speaker 8 I thought Herbert had a pretty beautiful rookie rookie year, didn't he?

Speaker 10 Which tier is he on?

Speaker 8 The ugly duckling.

Speaker 7 Is that because of his haircut? Yeah, Justin Herbert's definitely higher than the ugly duckling.

Speaker 7 It's okay, but you don't know.

Speaker 7 This is why we did it. He just mixed it popular.

Speaker 8 You know, I sure did.

Speaker 10 But, like,

Speaker 7 he doesn't reflect that.

Speaker 8 People are going to get mad at you for Ryan Tannehill.

Speaker 8 There are a lot of Ryan Tannehill fans out there that aren't going to appreciate you putting him in the met here with Ben Rothesberger, the most persecuted quarterback in sports, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Ryan,

Speaker 8 Kirk Cousins, and Derek Carter.

Speaker 10 I did a little clickbait thing here where

Speaker 10 I purposely put the big fan base's beloved franchise quarterbacks into the meh category to piss them all off.

Speaker 7 Ah,

Speaker 7 okay. You're looking.

Speaker 9 So you basically invalidated yourself as a blogger.

Speaker 7 Correct. But the clicks still count, hey.
Yeah, man. Clicks still count.
Cashes checks.

Speaker 8 I like that you put Kirk Cousins, all things considered, pretty close to hanging it up.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.
All right, good job, Billy. That was a good blog.
All right, my cool throne is

Speaker 7 baseball having a marketing problem because the Shohei Otani, this actually is a mark that Shohei Otani has reached his highest level because now the discussion becomes, are they marketing him correct and is he marketable?

Speaker 7 And then you saw, obviously, Stephen A. Smith with a stupid fucking take.
But this is like, we've had this conversation for a very long time with Mike Trout. What's, why can't we market Mike Trout?

Speaker 7 Maybe because it's just baseball. Yeah, maybe that's what it is.

Speaker 8 They're both playing the small market of Los Angeles.

Speaker 7 So that's tough. We always have this conversation.
It's like, why can't we we market the stars?

Speaker 8 I think this one's a little bit different because right now it's like Shohei Otani is the face of baseball.

Speaker 7 Everyone's talking about this.

Speaker 8 There's no more discussion of, is Mike Trout the face of baseball? Who's the face of baseball?

Speaker 8 Even while Mike Trout was the face or the gross chin of baseball, we were all talking who's the next face of baseball.

Speaker 8 We were looking forward to whether it was like Acunya or Soda or one of the younger guys, one of the like Slam Diego players, any of his sons out there.

Speaker 8 We're looking for the next generation of the face of baseball. Now we have one.
Now I think it's like set in stone that Shohei Otani is the most electric player in baseball by far.

Speaker 7 But my point is that baseball, the way baseball used to be, is never coming back. And that is like, it's never going to be a national,

Speaker 7 everyone talking about it like home run derby in the 19, you know, in the, in the late 90s. It's never going to be that.
Like, it just isn't. It's just not.
There's too many sports. It's fragmented.

Speaker 7 NFL has gotten bigger. All these things.
So it's so stupid because all I see is this conversation of, why can't they, Mark? Why aren't we making a bigger deal of Shohei Otani?

Speaker 7 Either you know about Shohei Otani being electric because you follow baseball even a little bit, or you don't follow baseball at all, so then you just don't care. Yeah,

Speaker 8 I think that we are making exactly as big of a deal as we should about Shohei Otani. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 It's a big one, yeah. But it's never going to be, like, people want it to be this deep, like, they want it to be Maguire Sosa again.
We got to, we're never going back to that.

Speaker 8 We got to figure out a Colin Coward analogy for that. It's like

Speaker 8 baseball thinks it's a Lamborghini. Right.
But you know what? Sometimes having a Toyota Camry, new model, all the bells and whistles is going to last you for 300,000 miles.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Take you to and from your next divorce hearing. But that's all you need out of a car.

Speaker 7 Every time I see someone be like, hey, why aren't we making a bigger deal of Shoe Atani? It's like, we are. He's incredible.
He's electric.

Speaker 7 If you follow baseball even a little bit, you know about him. You think he's awesome.
You think he's incredible. You want to watch his at-bats.

Speaker 7 And then there's just less people who follow baseball than there were 30 years ago. So that's just the reality of it.

Speaker 8 It makes sense. But also, he's trying to fix out the marketing problem by doing what we all said that he should have done, which is get rid of the seven-inning double headers.

Speaker 8 And then also, he's considering banning the shift next year, which I think that'd be awesome to do.

Speaker 7 Yes. I actually like the seven-inning doubleheaders.
You do? Yeah. Wow.
I do. I think doubleheaders are cool.
They should be more doubleheaders.

Speaker 8 I respect just the legacy of the game. Yeah, the numbers.

Speaker 7 There should be more doubleheaders. Billy, hot seat cool thrown.

Speaker 10 My hot seat is Rick Bettino. Greece was eliminated from pool play in the Olympics.

Speaker 7 Can he coach us? Can Giannis play for U.S.?

Speaker 8 The Olympics haven't started.

Speaker 10 Well, the FIBA pool play.

Speaker 7 He got eliminated. No, they keep playing.

Speaker 8 They're not going to be in the Olympics? No.

Speaker 7 Wow.

Speaker 7 So I was kind of hoping.

Speaker 8 I can say it. Rick Petino is a great coach.
He is.

Speaker 7 I think he could have helped to have Giannis.

Speaker 8 It would have been hilarious if Greece beat the U.S.

Speaker 7 Anthonasis. Anthonasis.

Speaker 8 That's what I was hoping would be.

Speaker 7 Oh, Slovenia is going to beat us with

Speaker 7 Luca.

Speaker 10 Cool Throne, Respect the Cup people.

Speaker 10 The Tampa Bay Lightning dented the cup pretty bad. All the Respect the Cup people came out.
The trophy lovers.

Speaker 7 Yeah, Respect the Cup. It gets like fucked every year.
Exactly. Yeah, it's the best trophy in the sports.

Speaker 8 The Stanley Cup is, without a doubt, the most abused trophy in sports, and that's what makes it so wonderful. Yes.
The stories it could tell.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 9 Exactly.

Speaker 7 If the cup could talk.

Speaker 10 And that was my hot seed of Cool Throne.

Speaker 7 Good job, Billy.

Speaker 7 All right, let's get to our interviews. We have, first up, Christian Yelich.

Speaker 7 And

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Speaker 8 Here's Christian Yelich.

Speaker 7 Okay, we now welcome on a very good friend of ours. It's been a while, but it is Christian Yelich, 2018 MVP, no big deal.

Speaker 7 He was not in the home run derby because he doesn't hit home runs anymore, but he's still number one in our hearts.

Speaker 7 Christian, thank you for joining us.

Speaker 7 So I was looking at it the first time you ever joined us on the show when the home run derby bet was made was 2017 all-star game in miami after that point you were maybe the best baseball player in the world for like a year and a half so i'm hoping that you reclaim that magic and you're back to being the best baseball player in the world yeah no it was a it was an 18 all-star game in uh

Speaker 12 in dc And yeah, you were right. Like literally the first

Speaker 7 is Miami. No, it was Miami in the second half of 17 and then all of 18.
You were the one who was.

Speaker 12 No, it was the second half of 18, all of 19. Because that was the first.
We did it in the lobby

Speaker 12 by that elevator in D.C.

Speaker 8 That was by the elevator in Miami, though.

Speaker 7 That was Miami.

Speaker 12 No, because I didn't make the all-star game in 17.

Speaker 12 I lost my wallet

Speaker 12 at the W on South Beach. The 2017 all-star break.

Speaker 12 I lost all my shit on the beach because I know I wasn't with you guys.

Speaker 9 It was like in the hallway.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it was. It was in the hallway of one of the...
I thought that was Miami. Okay, so I stand very corrected, but the point still stands that I...
You forgot about the rest, though?

Speaker 7 Yeah, the PMT bump. So let's actually start with that.
So this season, maybe not the best start for you, but take me back. That's great.
No.

Speaker 7 Two months into the season,

Speaker 7 May 23rd, you hit your first home run. Took you two months.
How'd that feel?

Speaker 12 It's pretty good. It took me two months, but I wasn't really, I wasn't really playing.
I only probably had 10 games at the time just because my back was all jacked up.

Speaker 12 But yeah, you got to get on the board, man.

Speaker 12 That's why I'm coming back with you guys. You know, I need the bump again.

Speaker 12 We wrote it out for a pretty good heater, and then now I need a little refresher.

Speaker 8 I feel like you need us to make another unreasonable bet because you are a spiteful guy.

Speaker 8 I like you, but I actually really hate you because you've made my life very stressful for the last couple of Junes.

Speaker 8 Thankfully, this year it wasn't so much the case, but there were some legitimate conversations that we've had to have on this show about, you know, eating each other's assholes.

Speaker 8 And I don't know. I feel like you kind of thrive on that.
You like seeing us uncomfortable. So is there,

Speaker 8 I can let you make the call. Like, do you want to put us in a bad situation again? Give us something to bet on?

Speaker 12 I didn't. I mean, you guys put yourselves in a bad situation.
You know, you kind of did that to yourselves, if I recall correctly. But you know what? One of the, one of the biggest...

Speaker 12 biggest regrets I have so far in my career is not being able to do that home run derby like I want to do that so bad in 2019 I actually kind of got hurt practicing for it.

Speaker 12 And I remember, I remember texting with

Speaker 12 you and just being like, dude, like, I blew out getting ready for it. Like, I don't think I'm going to be able to do it.
Like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 12 I know how much everybody was looking forward to that, not only at Barstool, but just like everybody that follows this show or anybody that had any kind of

Speaker 12 idea what was going on and what was being said.

Speaker 12 Still bummed about that. And maybe we'll be able to do it one day because

Speaker 12 it's a career-long bet, if I recall correctly.

Speaker 7 You never said like next home run derby you just said ever win a home run derby it is and i remember when you texted me about your back and i think i put on the fakest oh man i'm so sorry uh

Speaker 12 like response of all time where i was like damn that really sucks meanwhile i'm like fuck yes hopefully your back never gets better but uh no i i remember dave dave was all pissed too because like i think you guys had everything set up everyone was gonna watch it and like live stream it everything like that i was like dude i had to i gotta pull the shoot like i really can't swing a bat right now yes so um i i do fully expect you to be in a home run derby at some point um you will have to hit some more home runs though so maybe we're i'm gonna have to play better in like the actual i'm gonna have to play better in like the actual games before i can do the home run derby yeah but that'll happen again eventually i think so we'll make this happen i was talking to the guy yesterday that was supposed to throw to me in that derby he was just texting me like reaching out saying hello and uh

Speaker 12 i was like hey man we got to do this like at some point before it's all said and done like we got at least seven more years left.

Speaker 12 At some point,

Speaker 12 we're going to get out there, I hope.

Speaker 7 All right. So we also have to talk about the clip that went semi-viral last week.

Speaker 7 You got tagged out, making a slight move to second base, and I've never seen you that mad.

Speaker 7 You were very mad. So, well, come on.

Speaker 7 You made a little bit of a move.

Speaker 8 I watched the video. You deeped.

Speaker 7 You did.

Speaker 8 Yeah, you did a little like shimmy.

Speaker 7 What's Shakira? The hips don't lie?

Speaker 12 It's open to interpretation. I believe that's what it says in the rule book, too.
It's a judgment call.

Speaker 7 And also, I think we agreed.

Speaker 12 We disagreed to disagree on what was seen and what was being said. And then one of us had to go home early.

Speaker 8 I think what made you mad wasn't necessarily that you got called out. It's the emphaticness with which the umpire called you out.
Like, he punched you out. He wound up for that.

Speaker 8 He was really excited to make that call. I think that's what rubbed you the wrong way.

Speaker 12 It was a lot of things. like, it was a, I think that was the third game of the series, or it was just a lot of buildup that led to it.
It wasn't just like that one instance, you know what I mean?

Speaker 12 But I don't really want to say too much on it because I'm probably already going to get fined a decent amount for my on-field antics there. So we'll kind of just

Speaker 7 put you this way.

Speaker 8 Do you still get paid if you get kicked out of a game?

Speaker 12 I think so. I've only been kicked out of the game twice.

Speaker 12 But this one, this one was definitely my, my better one of the two. Like, if you're going to get thrown out of the game, I guess fully commit to getting thrown out of the game.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 12 It wasn't like, it wasn't even like, I didn't really even realize what I was, it was like a full-blown, like, blackout snap. Like, I don't really remember it.

Speaker 7 I was shocked.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I was shocked.

Speaker 12 In there, like, so people always think I'm the super like laid-back, happy-go-lucky guy, but I'm kind of not.

Speaker 12 There's times where I am, but like, I'm pretty,

Speaker 12 I get pretty fired up out there sometimes. And people that play with me and like know me.

Speaker 12 on in a baseball sense know that's in there but i'm like my day-to-day life i'm pretty laid back guy like kind of just chill but but that's also like, it's funny when everyone's like, oh man, I thought he was so laid-back.

Speaker 7 Well, he's a professional athlete, and he's really fucking good. You have to have at least some competitive streak in you.
What, what, though, you can't talk about what happened on the field, but

Speaker 7 after, do you just go and take a shower and hang out? Or did you go home? Like, what is it?

Speaker 7 Is it fun to watch the game in the clubhouse by yourself?

Speaker 12 Yeah, so I didn't go home. I think it was the sixth inning.

Speaker 12 Maybe fifth or sixth inning, somewhere in the middle of the game.

Speaker 12 My other objection was the bottom of the first, so I actually had like the whole game to watch. So, this one was at least in the middle.

Speaker 12 Um, but counsel, our manager, he got thrown out right before that, like the inning before. So, he was already in the clubhouse at his desk.
Uh,

Speaker 12 and to get back to our locker room, you have to walk down like a hallway, and it's past like the manager's office.

Speaker 12 So, he was sitting in there, and I walked by his office, and I was like, well, shit, like, what's up, man?

Speaker 7 Look at us. What do you thought?

Speaker 7 Did you watch with him?

Speaker 12 No, I didn't watch with him because we were still losing the time.

Speaker 12 And when I got thrown out of my other game, the manager also got thrown out with me, Mattingly, and I watched the whole game with him in his office. And we ended up blowing like a five-run lead and

Speaker 12 watching the implosion of a five-run lead with your manager while you're both kicked out of the game was a pretty uncomfortable experience. That's interesting.

Speaker 12 So I was like, you know, so I was like, all right, and then we tied it up. I was like, oh, I'm probably, I'll go say what's up to Counts now.
Hopefully we make a comeback and I'll watch it with him.

Speaker 12 Like as I was going to his office, we gave up a homer and I turned around, went back to the training room, and finished

Speaker 12 my post-game thing. RGM was working out in the weight room.
So

Speaker 12 I talked to him kind of about like what happened and all that. So I was just pretty much hanging out in shorts and a t-shirt in the clubhouse the whole time.

Speaker 12 And that was that. It's pretty uneventful.

Speaker 12 I was calm again after I got thrown out. Kind of just like walked back in and there's some some of our pitchers were in the lot in the locker room talked to them for a little bit

Speaker 7 That was that. You feel like you have a little extra swag.

Speaker 12 All over the internet, like everybody was texting me the rest of the night. It kind of went everywhere because it was a pretty good snap.

Speaker 8 But yeah, are you walking around like a badass? Like, you feel like, hey, don't fuck with me. I'm liable to just snap on somebody.

Speaker 12 Not really, because it's not really, it's, it's not something that I do. And the, and the umpire, he was the home plate umpire the next day for us.
So we went up there.

Speaker 12 We kind of both had a, like a pretty good laugh about it.

Speaker 12 My first at-bat the next day he's like

Speaker 12 what's up like how's it going man what up dude

Speaker 12 he's like are we good i was like yeah we're good like you know shit happens my bad and then we just carried on it was fine but i think me and him will probably have a pretty good relationship at least from my end like the rest of my career it's like it's a good laugh and yeah i don't know we'll see if he hates me and i said some pretty I kind of went in on him a little bit, but yeah, uh-huh.

Speaker 8 It seemed like it's a classic case of guys being dudes. That's how we apologize.
You just give us like a day and then we see each other again and you just look at the other person like, we cool?

Speaker 7 And yeah, we're cool.

Speaker 8 And you don't have to actually talk about what happened or your feelings or anything like that. You just kind of acknowledge, okay, enough time has passed where I'm not mad anymore.

Speaker 12 It was like the prototypical example of that, actually. It was like, hey, hey.
We good? Yeah, we're good.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that shit got crazy.

Speaker 7 We both said some stuff. Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 12 Nobody even like addressed it. Like no one was like, no one was like, my bad, or anything like that.
It was just like, we good? Yeah, we're good.

Speaker 12 All right, cool. Have a good one.
And then we played the game.

Speaker 8 My favorite is when you're like, yeah, you know, like two alpha males sometimes get together. A lot of stuff gets said.
You know, we butt heads sometimes.

Speaker 8 And so it's a way that you can like apologize to another man, but also make yourself seem like the biggest alpha in the world.

Speaker 12 Yeah, to where you're like, not like, hey, I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 Yeah, you don't. Oh, no, you never apologize.
Competitive dudes. Like, what are you going to do? Shit happens.

Speaker 8 It's interesting, though, that the two times you've gotten kicked out, your manager has also been kicked out. Are you a little bit of a brown nose? You like a teacher's pet?

Speaker 12 The first time I got kicked out first, and then like 30 seconds later, Donnie was yelling at the umpire too, and he got kicked out. This time,

Speaker 12 counsel was arguing a call.

Speaker 12 I think it was during a pitching change, and he got thrown out. And then an inning later, I got thrown out.

Speaker 12 So at least this time, like my actions weren't the reason why the manager got thrown out, which makes me feel a little bit better. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Yeah. So he got shucked earlier.
So I felt better about that one.

Speaker 7 All right. So, you know, your season hasn't been going as well as you'd like, but you're going to turn it around.

Speaker 7 The Brewers, though, are in first place.

Speaker 7 I mean, the Cubs are done, so I don't even have animosity. I did have a question, though.
That game two weeks ago when the Cubs were up 7-0 and the Brewers won 15-7,

Speaker 7 what the hell gets said in the,

Speaker 7 like, when you come off the field after giving up a seven spot in the first inning, are you guys all saying to each other, hey, we're still in this, but not really believing it?

Speaker 7 And then you actually ended up winning the game by a lot?

Speaker 12 Well, like in that situation, you're like, well, shit, like a day game, last day of the series, down seven, nothing.

Speaker 12 You're like, well,

Speaker 12 that wasn't a great start.

Speaker 12 And you kind of come in and you're still, you still haven't hit yet, though, you know? So there's nine innings to play.

Speaker 12 And you're like, well, let's try and get like one or two here and like see if we can keep it interesting, chip away, never know what can happen.

Speaker 12 Like, you know, like, hey, we can't really let these guys score too much more because we're already chasing seven.

Speaker 12 So, what everyone was saying was like, hey, let's just try and get one up there, two up there, and see what happens. And I think we did get one or two in the first, and then

Speaker 12 we got a bunch back in the second, or maybe it was tied in the second. And then, yeah, I've never seen a game like that, though, in my career.

Speaker 12 It was that whole series was pretty wild, things that happened in it.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I don't, I don't even really know how to describe that game. Like you said, it was just

Speaker 7 a football score.

Speaker 12 Packers. Barris Packers game.

Speaker 7 Yeah, I was listening on the radio, and I was like 7-0, and I was like, oh, Cubs are back. And then two seconds later, it was 7-6.
And then you guys put up eight runs in the fourth inning.

Speaker 7 I was like, okay, the season is pretty much over. And that was kind of like the end of the Cubs season in terms of like their losing streak and everything going poorly.

Speaker 7 But I just, it always is funny to me when you see a score like that and you're like, it must be so weird to be in the

Speaker 7 clubhouse for that or, you know, the dugout. It's like a softball game broke out where it's just everything is working and everyone's scoring and innings are lasting like an hour long.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean, it was like two and a half hours and we're in the third inning or ever. So we're like, well, if we're going to play a seven-hour game here, we might as well win.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 How many? Everyone was kind of.

Speaker 12 Yeah, it just went wild.

Speaker 8 How many games per year do you actually get down about a loss? Because there's so many games that are played. Like you can't take every loss super competitively, right?

Speaker 8 Are there some guys that actually do hate losing that much that even over the course of a long season, it it really affects them?

Speaker 12 I mean, different losses definitely, definitely hurt more.

Speaker 12 Like that game, if it kept going south and you lose by, you lose by 15, you're just like, well, that was a shitty day, but it's a baseball season. Like, it's going to happen.

Speaker 12 You know, you're going to get blown out a couple times a year, even if you're playing really good teams.

Speaker 12 But games where you're up like three to two in the eighth inning or three to two in the ninth and you end up losing a tough one to somebody in the division.

Speaker 12 That game definitely hurts a lot more than the one that was just like, well, that was just a shit show. And what are you going to do? Like, we'll get them tomorrow.
So they have varying degrees.

Speaker 12 If you have losing streaks or just the time in the year when you lose, like, they can hurt a little bit for sure. I mean, even though baseball is

Speaker 12 a game where you're guaranteed to basically lose at least 60 games a year, you know, even if you're the best team in the game. So.

Speaker 12 Yeah, they hurt a little bit different depending on the time.

Speaker 7 What happens on a long losing streak? Are there guys like,

Speaker 7 let's say, so I think the Cubs lost like 10, 10 in a row, 10 and 11, whatever it was. And I'm sure maybe in the Marlins, you were on a team that had some of those losing streaks.

Speaker 7 Are there moments where different guys, like maybe seven games in, a guy tries to give a rah-rah speech and it doesn't work? And it's like, well, fuck. What do we do now?

Speaker 7 Like, how does that, how does that play out when you're deep in a losing streak?

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 12 there's like when you're, I think the most we lost with the Marlins, I think, was 13, maybe. is when uh

Speaker 12 it's when our manager got fired and then the gm of the team became the manager i don't know if you remember that that at the time.

Speaker 12 So, yeah, we lost 13 in a row, I think, right after that happened. And

Speaker 12 there's different phases of it. Like the first, like when you lose like five or six, you're like, oh man, like shit.
Like everybody's like,

Speaker 12 all right, we kind of got to turn this around. It's getting, it's going south.
Like, we need to, and then it gets like seven, eight, nine, ten. And then you're just like, what the fuck, dude? And

Speaker 12 it just, you seem like you find a different way to lose every night. Like, it's impossible to win.

Speaker 12 Like, you, like you said, you're up by seven and you lose, or you're winning by like one or two and somebody gets like a, you're, you got like bases loaded two outs and someone's bat shatters and the game winning run scores on that play and you're like, we just, we literally just cannot win.

Speaker 12 And sometimes it feels that way. And then one day it turns and you can rattle off seven or eight.

Speaker 12 Just that's why baseball season, so many, there's so many ups and downs in it, you know, where there's times in the season where it feels like you're never going to lose again and you're on a 10 game winning streak and you cannot lose.

Speaker 12 Like no matter what you do, you can't lose.

Speaker 12 and then you go through a week where you cannot win it doesn't matter who you're playing you could have you know the best pitchers in baseball going for you playing against the worst team in the game and you just can't win because baseball is a freak game sometimes and weird stuff happens so

Speaker 12 guys try everything there's there's pump-up speeches there's

Speaker 12 guys are doing crazy things trying crazy things

Speaker 12 uh anything to just try and break the streak and to win. But if you're going to give a pump-up speech,

Speaker 12 a word of advice is to like always wait till

Speaker 12 your ace is pitching that night, or you've got

Speaker 12 the best chance to win, or you're not going against the other team's ace. Yeah, you know, you got to say, you got to have some feel with your speech.

Speaker 12 Because if you go out there and you're like, I don't know, if you're facing like Kershaw or something that night and you're on like a seven-game losing streak, you're like, guys, today's the day we turn it around and he goes like eight sheddy with 14 K's or something like that.

Speaker 12 And then you're like, oh, God, no, that didn't work.

Speaker 8 Yeah. Way worse situation than you had going into the night.

Speaker 8 I want to talk to you real quick about the Bucs because you kind of got, I don't want to say overshadowed, but it seems like David Bakhtiari has a new favorite beer chugging buddy, and that's Dana Beers.

Speaker 8 Have you been invited back to the playoffs? Have you been invited to a Bucs game this postseason to show off your drinking skills?

Speaker 12 Yeah, our schedule just hasn't really lined up for it. We've been out of town or we've been playing at the same time.

Speaker 12 They're playing right now, but it's the all-star break, so I'm not in town. I was texting Deebok about it.
He's asking if I was going to go to the game or not.

Speaker 12 What we really need to to see is a Dan Vogelbach Bakhtiari chug off.

Speaker 12 I think that would be,

Speaker 12 I've seen Bogey hammer a beer before because I just wanted to see how fast he could chug it.

Speaker 12 And I'm not going to lie, he's going to get, he'd give Deebach a run for his money. I'm not saying he'd win because I respect Deebok's abilities.
I've seen it up close as well.

Speaker 12 Pretty impressive stuff. But I think the state of Wisconsin and beer chugging fans alike would really, would really need to see it.
We need to settle that one of these days.

Speaker 12 i was hoping we can make that happen i think i'm not sure where game six lines up if we make it to game six i think we may be able to go or not but

Speaker 7 you guys have a game game six at home do we maybe they'll move it i don't know that would be electric though is it a day game day game night game it's a night game tuesday night they have to move that thing they would have they would have to move that the only thing i would tell you is next time can you can you make sure that the beer is topped off well so what happened with that was i didn't know i didn't know i was just drinking a beer you know

Speaker 12 And so I didn't really know I was going to chug it. And Deebock like elbowed me goes, hey, bro, you're up in like five seconds.

Speaker 12 And so I had already had like three quarters of a beer, or maybe it was even half. I was like, well, what do you mean? Because

Speaker 12 I was on the IL at the time. So I wasn't really playing.
And I was like, I don't know if this greatest look right now if

Speaker 12 I'm not playing.

Speaker 12 I'm hammering beers at the Bucks game and our GM and everybody was there.

Speaker 12 And then I was on the screen and kind of played it it off as like I was meant to do that the entire time. Kind of gave it the stand up and the walk around.

Speaker 12 And I didn't even know if I could chug it, honestly, because I hadn't chugged a beer in a really long time.

Speaker 12 But I saw what happened with Aaron and I was like, dude, I gotta, I gotta finish this thing. And there's a moment of panic there when it's tilted back.

Speaker 12 You can see me, like, there's like a uh-oh, I don't know if this is gonna happen here. And we powered through it, and that's where the victory celebration kind of came in.

Speaker 12 D-Box all fired up, going wild.

Speaker 12 And I wouldn't give myself an A for the chug by any means. Like, it wasn't, it wasn't impressive, but we got the job done.
And that's kind of half the battle, you know?

Speaker 7 Yeah, you got through it.

Speaker 8 It would have been very fun if you had just thrown up immediately while you were talking.

Speaker 7 It's also just so perfect, so Wisconsin that this is like a thing at Bucs games. And it's like everyone is just like, this is fucking awesome.

Speaker 7 All of our sports, every player who plays in a Wisconsin, you know, sport has to come and chug a beer as fast as they they can.

Speaker 12 Right. It's just what you got to do.
It makes for a great environment, too. It's an awesome place to watch a game.

Speaker 12 Really, any of the sports teams in Wisconsin, it's a cool atmosphere no matter where you go, watch the game. But yeah, those Bucks playoff games are electric.

Speaker 7 Yeah. All right, we got to ask you this because we need a headline.
What do you think about the whole Spider-Tac stuff?

Speaker 7 Have you noticed that a difference in the pitches you're seeing since the ban has been enacted?

Speaker 12 Maybe a little bit. I mean,

Speaker 12 I knew it was fairly prevalent, but it was one of those things like

Speaker 12 nobody was really doing anything about it. And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it kind of just became a big deal.
I felt like that kind of happened overnight.

Speaker 12 But yeah, it was definitely one of those things where there were some nights where you could hear the, it sounded like Velcro coming off guys, guys' figures when they're, especially in the 2020 season where

Speaker 12 there was no fans and it was a lot quieter in the in the stadiums. But I mean, guys are so good that I feel like they don't really need it.

Speaker 12 Like they've kind of shown like, hey, you guys are still really good. They can still spin the baseball.
I'm not a pitcher, so I don't really know how big of a difference it really makes.

Speaker 12 It's hard to tell from the batters box, I'll be honest. Like I still think guys are pretty nasty.
Maybe that's because I'm not playing very well. So the baseball looks like an aspirin coming up there.

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 12 yeah, it was just one of those things that just gained a lot of traction out of of nowhere. I felt like I think everybody in the game kind of just knew guys were using stuff to get a grip.
But

Speaker 12 non-pitchers like myself, I don't know if I really know how big of a difference it does or doesn't make because guys are still pitching well.

Speaker 12 You know, like all the best pitchers in the game are still pretty much doing the best in the game, even after the, even after the ban.

Speaker 12 So I think it was one of those things where like everybody thought there was going to be like this massive difference or like these guys are going to stink all of a sudden.

Speaker 12 And that just wasn't really the case.

Speaker 8 I don't know what you guys think about it, but that's kind of from my perspective well i think it's kind of weird the timing that major league baseball had to do it in the middle of a season like not even over an all-star break they just like decided one day okay now the rules are going to take effect and then you had managers that i guess you just get to call out the opposing pitcher whenever you want i don't know how that works

Speaker 12 yeah i mean i think we saw that happened one time i think right it was like the phillies nats game but that hasn't happened in any any of the brewers games or anything like that like it's been pretty standard the umpire checks the pitcher's glove and and hat and or on their way and it's like a it's like a three-second check so i feel like

Speaker 8 formality if your manager requests the check and they find out that the pitcher's clean the manager should have to step into the box and take in that bat

Speaker 12 i mean

Speaker 12 yeah it's pretty bad if you don't like you better have pretty good

Speaker 12 pretty good idea that there's a guy's going to something or using something if you're gonna you're gonna call them out i wish you know what i wish though i wish normal people could take that pass.

Speaker 7 Yes, you know what I mean?

Speaker 12 Like, just I think it'd be pretty cool. I, I don't, there's no way that it'd actually be able to happen or anything like that.
Maybe like live BPs and spring training.

Speaker 12 I think it'd be cool, though, like, just to give people perspective on like baseball and like hitting or even

Speaker 8 doing sports.

Speaker 7 I, I honestly think if you, if I, if I stood in the box against Jacob DeGrom and he threw a thousand pitches, I don't think I'd make contact more than once.

Speaker 7 Maybe luckily.

Speaker 12 It sounds, it honestly sounds it sounds extreme, but I, I I really think you're right.

Speaker 7 Yeah, like I would get lucky maybe a couple times, but that would be pure luck. There would never be a time where I would swing being like, I'm about to hit this.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean, I think, no joke, I think like there's a chance that you could maybe like foul tip one. Right.

Speaker 12 But like, if there was like an actual defense out there and like getting a hit, like there's no, there's no chance. Like, actually, you go 0 for 1,000.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it would be crazy.

Speaker 8 I also think that you would just get exhausted swinging the bat a thousand times.

Speaker 8 So if you could do like one at bat per day for a thousand days in a row, I feel like one of those you could get a foul tip.

Speaker 7 Yeah, because eventually like you'd be.

Speaker 12 You'd have a better chance of a thousand at bats in a single day of foul tipping a ball. If you did one at bat for a thousand days,

Speaker 12 I'd say zero.

Speaker 7 Yeah, because you'd get in a rhythm.

Speaker 7 Like eventually you'd just be standing there and you'd just be pure guessing on timing. Like, okay, I know.

Speaker 12 You're enough and like you'd be able to like get the bat in the way of the ball at least like one time. I feel like.

Speaker 7 Right. Like, I know, yeah, I know where he is in his windup.
Now's the time I got to start swinging and hope that I guessed right.

Speaker 12 Yeah, but the thing with him is like his ball goes like this, kind of, like, it feels like it's going like that. Shit.

Speaker 12 And then, yeah, I mean, he throws 95-mile sliders, and they look like fastballs until you go to swing at them, and they're not.

Speaker 12 It'd be an awesome experience. Like, I don't, I don't know how that would ever happen, like, for people just to be able to see that.

Speaker 12 And I know there's those websites, like, on twitter and instagram and stuff i think they're like the pitching ninja things where like they overlay the two balls uh the fastball and slider and

Speaker 12 and just like

Speaker 12 people that think hitting and stuff is easy like it it's kind of funny when you guys like face like hater or something you know and there's a guy on third in less than two hours like well just make contact you know get the guy in it's like well dude

Speaker 7 right there's a guy throwing a hunter from like behind you and the balls are rising and you don't really know where it's going to be and then it could be not a fastball too on the flip side what always amazes me is like when a guy like Araldus Chapman, who's had struggles this year, because his movement is just not the same.

Speaker 7 And it's crazy to me that like a guy who throws 100, but he has no movement, everyone crushes him because it like eliminates that one variable.

Speaker 7 And now everyone in MLB, even though it's 100 miles an hour, if it's straight and doesn't move, you guys can all fucking like smash on that.

Speaker 12 Yeah, I mean, a lot of it's just like location-based.

Speaker 12 I think pitchers go in slumps too, you know, where they're, they're not really hitting their spots as well as they usually do, or just freak things happen to them too.

Speaker 12 You know, they hit a guy, a broken bat single, and then a homer. There's three earned runs right there before like anything happened.

Speaker 12 So pitchers go through slumps too, but yeah, a lot of it's just like location-based. And all the best pitchers in the games are the guys that,

Speaker 12 you know, throw really hard with that velocity and then can locate it really well. And like,

Speaker 12 I'm going to be like, facing Chapman as a left-handed hitter is not a great time either. I'm not going gonna lie.

Speaker 12 You're not like stoked to go up there by any means.

Speaker 7 So let me ask you this then, because Kyle Hendricks, obviously, I love Kyle Hendricks. Like you face him a bunch.
He doesn't throw faster than 88 tops, but he just all location.

Speaker 7 Like, how much does that fuck with you when it's... Yeah, well, you go for a thousand against him, too.

Speaker 12 Yeah,

Speaker 12 even though he throws 87, 88,

Speaker 12 just because,

Speaker 12 like, he's, I enjoy facing him because I don't do well against him either. Like, I don't, I wouldn't say like I crush him.

Speaker 12 We've had a lot of battles over the years just because we're in the same division and face each other all the time.

Speaker 12 But yeah, he's got three different fastballs and three different changeups and a curveball. And he locates it and moves the ball around really well and throws any pitch and any count.

Speaker 12 And so I don't think people appreciate that either. Like

Speaker 12 the art of pitching, like the way he does it with, because he throws, he throws four seam fastball that kind of cuts a little bit, like a two-seam fastball.

Speaker 12 He throws four-seam fastball on the top of the zone. He has a two-seam change-up, uh, change-up that cuts a little bit, and then a straight change-up that looks like a four-seam fastball.

Speaker 12 It's not, and then his curveball is pretty good, too. It just, it's not what he's really known for.
You know, he's known for fastball change-up.

Speaker 12 He can move, he can front-door you with two-seamers, back-door you with cutters, fastball. So, he's just moving it everywhere, you know, and all of this he can make all of his pitches look the same.

Speaker 12 And

Speaker 12 people don't understand that either, like, oh, he's throwing 87, like, how can you not hit that? You know, it's like, well, dude, you just like, you'd have no idea.

Speaker 7 Right. It looks, it could be, it could be 82, and you don't know the difference between the two.

Speaker 12 Right, you don't. You really don't.
Like, they all look the same coming out of his hand. It's impressive, too.
Like,

Speaker 12 and one of them just never gets there. You know, they're the same pitch, and one of them is 10 miles an hour slower, and it just never gets there.

Speaker 12 And he's had all the success he's had in the game, you know, for a reason.

Speaker 8 Is there a certain pitcher who's like, if you were to pick one pitch from an individual pitcher for a person like us to step into the batter's box and you get one crack at it what is the nastiest pitch oh

Speaker 12 the guy with the nastiest pitch

Speaker 12 i mean there's a lot of guys with electric fastballs like i don't know who i would

Speaker 12 who i'd i mean i think degrom's probably the guy that is like

Speaker 12 it's it's pretty impressive like facing i faced him a lot too when i was in the in the in the nl east and that was before he was throwing like 102 he was just only throwing 96 only 96 at the the time.

Speaker 12 But

Speaker 12 give some appreciation there. I think Hater are our closer.

Speaker 12 You can watch it on TV or in video, and like certain guys' fastballs look different. Like, there's different 98s.
Some of them feel light, and they don't feel as hard as it says.

Speaker 12 And then there's other guys' stuff that

Speaker 12 it'll say like 95. And you're like, dude, I could swear that's, I swear that's 110.

Speaker 8 Is that like the rising action on it?

Speaker 12 The balls that yeah, the rise in the four scene, like the deception, the way they throw it. Like, sometimes you're like, dude, this like you don't see certain guys as well.

Speaker 12 Like, I might see a guy better than you see a guy.

Speaker 12 And he could be really good or be not as good. And we both have different opinions on him.
Like, that's why it's just a fascinating game.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 I mean, fastballs, it is always fascinating to me how much, like, two miles an hour or just, like, I was saying with Chapman, like, when he doesn't have movement on his fastball, it could be 100, but it's not the same.

Speaker 7 Like, the, I've always heard, like, you know, guys whose fastball seems to get faster, like at the end, you know what I mean? Like, it pops.

Speaker 7 Is that something that's real?

Speaker 12 Well, so, like, people understand that now. Like, a few years ago, you wouldn't really know why a ball got on you like that.
Right. And now,

Speaker 12 and now it's because they have ways of telling, like, extension, like how far down the mound he is when he lets go of the ball.

Speaker 12 Like, guys that let it go closer to home plate, obviously, their fastball plays better.

Speaker 7 Um,

Speaker 12 the release, like, some guys release the ball higher or lower, and the guys that have the lower release, the ball seems to like take off a little bit more.

Speaker 12 Like low, low releases and like height above the ground where they release the ball. And then that's where that, that's where the spider tack thing came in was in the RPMs on guys' fastballs.

Speaker 12 Like the higher the RPMs, the more life and rise you'll get to it. And that's kind of where people were pointing to where it became kind of a problem in the game.

Speaker 12 And so if you had a guy that could combine all three of those things,

Speaker 12 then

Speaker 12 it's a tough A-B, to say the least.

Speaker 7 It's an issue. Yeah.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 if you want to sound really smart to your friends at home, just say, hey, you know, a rising fastball doesn't actually rise. It just doesn't drop as fast as you think it's going to drop.

Speaker 12 Exactly.

Speaker 7 Yeah. Yeah.
People forget that. Yeah.

Speaker 12 It just holds its playing better. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 What about a

Speaker 8 knuckleball? Could I step into the batter's box against a knuckleball and take a thousand swings and hit one?

Speaker 12 Maybe. Just because the velocity is not as the velocity is not as hard, and sometimes they don't do anything, right? You know, like sometimes a knuckleball just literally just kind of floats in there.

Speaker 12 If someone ripped off a good one, then no, like guys,

Speaker 12 major league guys look stupid on a really good knuckleball, they're hard to even catch, let alone hit.

Speaker 12 Yeah, uh, if they catch them pretty good, like guys that have a good knuckleball, you don't want to play catch with them because you actually might get hit in the face

Speaker 12 if they can, if they catch it right, it's like, damn, no, thanks, I'm good on that. Fuck, but there's not really any, there's not really too many knuckleballers left in in the game i think ra was one

Speaker 7 everyone's using spider attack now you can't you can't throw a knuckleball with no spin if you got all that stuff on it exactly yeah you guys ever try that you ever gotten like a can of that stuff uh right here yeah right there i used it to blow how sticky how sticky is that though for real like it's incredibly sticky very sticky doesn't help my typing that was nice by you by the way that was a really smart move to be like i've never seen a can of that

Speaker 7 yeah

Speaker 7 yeah never in the brewer's dugout.

Speaker 8 No, no, no, and my beer was just accidentally half drank.

Speaker 7 Yeah, yeah, no, I've never seen what is that spider-tack stuff you got?

Speaker 12 Yeah, never seen it.

Speaker 7 Text me a picture average.

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Speaker 7 This is a, maybe, some may say this is a mean question. I don't think it's that mean, but, you know, you haven't been great this year.

Speaker 7 So is it weird sometimes like for division rivals, like if you haven't gotten a hit against a team to be like, hey, oh, I just got a hit, my first hit against the Cubs in the middle of July.

Speaker 7 Do I go, do I stand on first base and be like, hey, Rizzo, how was the offseason?

Speaker 12 It could.

Speaker 12 I love talking to Rizz at first base.

Speaker 12 We always have some good conversations over there about who knows what. It just kind of depends what's going on or how we're both doing at the time.

Speaker 7 I laugh at each other.

Speaker 12 We laugh at each other about how hard baseball is sometimes. So he's a great guy, man.
I love talking to him over there.

Speaker 12 I really like all. I mean, I know it's a rivalry, but I really like all those guys over there.

Speaker 12 They're good dudes. We've had some passionate games over the years, but

Speaker 7 I don't believe you with Wilson Contreras. It feels like every, I have a theory.
Actually, here's my last last question.

Speaker 7 I have a theory that it's just, if you're a good catcher, you should be hated by the other team. Like, the catcher position is, is somehow always the most hated guy on each team.

Speaker 12 Really?

Speaker 7 I feel like that's the case. Because I don't know.

Speaker 12 I mean, I've always had good conversations with Will. You know, you go to the play, I always say hello to him.
We've played against each other for a long time. Obviously, respect him.

Speaker 12 He's beaten us a few times on his own. He's literally hit a few walk-off homers against us, I think.

Speaker 12 Super talented. There's always going to be that rivalry when you play each other so much, but

Speaker 12 you got to respect how talented people are in the way they play the game. and there's obviously um a lot of those guys on on the cubs are very talented and um

Speaker 12 we've had some good fun battles and we've come out on top on some they've come out on the top on some and like i said who knows what's going to happen here in the next few months but um

Speaker 12 you know riz kb javi wilson like that core over there we've had a we've had a good run against them and I've always enjoyed playing against them, even though it's a rivalry and the two fan bases don't really get along.

Speaker 12 I think the players do. We've had a couple of dust-ups.
We've had a couple benches clearing things, but

Speaker 12 there's never been any fighting, just the

Speaker 12 occasional shouting across the way at each other, but that's really been about it.

Speaker 7 Will you sprint to first base on your next walk for us? Patrick Wisdom said he would. I don't know if he ever did.
He kind of

Speaker 8 jogged lightly. Yeah, it's my favorite move in baseball.
Please.

Speaker 12 Just a full sprint?

Speaker 7 Yeah,

Speaker 12 Nimmo from the Mets does it every time.

Speaker 7 Yes, do it. Extend your next walk.
Yeah.

Speaker 12 Just a sprint and a breakdown at first base.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Yeah, just run and show some muscles.

Speaker 7 There's a lot of turn towards second at home. Yeah.
Don't turn to second baseball base. I can't turn towards second because

Speaker 12 it gets heated after that happens. You know, I don't

Speaker 7 really love that. You did.
The hips moved. I watched it like six times before this interview.
The hips moved.

Speaker 12 But I didn't move my shoulders or anything. Like, I didn't attempt to.
There was no way I actually went to second base.

Speaker 7 There was a shimmy.

Speaker 8 There was a shimmy.

Speaker 7 Like in basketball, you guard the guy's hip. You guard the guy's belly button because he can't go anywhere without it.

Speaker 7 Your torso moved.

Speaker 12 My belly button was looking right at the foul pole.

Speaker 7 I don't care what you said. Just straight on deadlock.
Staring it down.

Speaker 12 Staring it down. So

Speaker 12 how are you going to know if I sprint on a walk, though? I feel like you're not locked in on every brewer's game.

Speaker 7 I'm not. There'll be highlights.
People will say, like, oh, he sprinted on the walk. And then

Speaker 7 we can be like, yeah, he respects 90, and then we'll put this clip in.

Speaker 8 That should also be a, it's going to be a Sports Center top 10 play. Just the hustle that you would show.

Speaker 12 That's fair.

Speaker 12 You know?

Speaker 12 You got to do something every night, you know, to contribute to a win. And so

Speaker 12 I haven't really been getting a big hit lately. So I can hustle.
I can give hard 90s.

Speaker 7 Yes, exactly. She's trying to get hard 90s slump.

Speaker 12 Just set the tone, set the tone, do the little things right, and the big things come. That's what they say, right?

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 8 Little things add up to big things in the long run. And I'm watching this replay again.
Your belly button moved.

Speaker 7 Your belly button moved. No chance.
It did.

Speaker 8 Listen, Shoheio, Tani.

Speaker 7 It's the first of baseball.

Speaker 12 The conversation of first base kind of went like this, and then it escalated a little bit, and I got thrown out.

Speaker 7 I'm going to get thrown off the podcast here pretty soon.

Speaker 8 You're the belly button of baseball. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I would have called it the same exact way. I would have called this.

Speaker 12 We just played too many games. We played too many games, all right? You know, things were heated, passions were high,

Speaker 12 guys being dudes, you said, you know, and then one thing led to another, and one of us had to leave the game early.

Speaker 7 All right, well, you're out of here. Yeah, we're good luck for the rest of the season.
Now that the Cubs are in full rebuild mode again,

Speaker 7 I wish you personal success. I hope you have a great second half.
It would be great if you just rattled off an incredible second half and it's just you have to come on this show to find your magic.

Speaker 12 I'm serious. If I have

Speaker 12 another great second half, but this is going to be a yearly thing for the rest of my career on the all-star breaker coming on PMT and just getting the bump.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 maybe a little of your salary goes to us.

Speaker 12 Well, it depends. You know, it depends if it works or not.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 7 What does work mean? What if you hit 20 home runs in the second half?

Speaker 12 Yeah, sure.

Speaker 7 So we get a little of your salary.

Speaker 7 20 home runs in the second half, we get a little of your salary.

Speaker 8 25% of your salary. For every home run you hit, we get that much.

Speaker 7 No, for let's say if

Speaker 7 you hit 20 home runs in the second half, you give this podcast $15,000.

Speaker 12 20 homers in the second half?

Speaker 7 Yes. What do we get?

Speaker 12 What are we spending?

Speaker 7 What are we spending it on? Well, you know what?

Speaker 7 We're going to do a parley. No, no, no, no.
We'll go to...

Speaker 7 We'll come out. We'll do...
Where do you live in the offseason? California, right?

Speaker 12 Scottsdale, Scottsdale, Malibu, yeah, kind of all over.

Speaker 7 Okay, perfect. So if

Speaker 7 we go shopping? no, if you hit 20 home runs, then we'll come like stay, we'll do like a weekend where you like, you know, put us up at a five-star resort.

Speaker 7 We all hang out, we play wiffle ball, and you take us out to dinners and shit, and just like on Christian. Shoes, new shoes, we get matching outfits.

Speaker 7 So it doesn't have to be cash, but you have to spend it on.

Speaker 12 We're on a guy's trip. We're going a guy's trip.

Speaker 7 You know, remember Brewster's Millions, the

Speaker 7 movie?

Speaker 7 You have to spend $15,000 on us in a weekend.

Speaker 12 All right.

Speaker 7 I like that. Okay.
Yeah, just a guy's trip.

Speaker 8 I was going to say that we take the 15 grand, we reinvest it, and we bet on Christian Yelich to hit another home run in the playoffs. And then if that hits, then guess what?

Speaker 7 Oh, yeah, he can't be a part of it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he can't be a part of this.

Speaker 7 So it'll be a guy's trip. You'll spend it on us.
20,000. Let's say 20.
Come on. 20 for 20.
20 for 20. Fine.
How about 20 home runs? A lot of home runs this second.

Speaker 12 That's a lot of home runs. I think the, yeah, my MVP half was like 25 or something like that.

Speaker 7 Right, all right. So this is good.
20 for 20.

Speaker 7 If you hit 20 home runs we'll do a brewsters millions but it's 20 000 weekend where christian just spends it on us and we just go and ball out yeah we'll go we'll do something fun guys weekend yes and love this if you want to bump it up to a hundred thousand we'll each other's assholes

Speaker 7 this is when we always negotiate ourselves out of something yeah we should

Speaker 8 think about it think it think about the hundred thousand

Speaker 7 we'll think about it all right 20 home run watch starts today i love this love it

Speaker 7 thanks man appreciate it it.

Speaker 12 You got it, guys. Good talking to you again.
See you.

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Speaker 8 And now here he is:

Speaker 8 David Juice.

Speaker 7 And now for something completely different.

Speaker 7 Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is Dave Jouse.
You saw him on

Speaker 7 Monday night, the pitching phenom.

Speaker 7 He was pitching to Pete Alonzo, to his victory in the MLB home run derby.

Speaker 7 You took the world by storm because you were an incredible, incredible pitcher. Let's start here.
How's your arm today? Because you threw a lot of pitches last night.

Speaker 13 I've been blessed with this right arm from the shoulder down to the fingers. I've never been hurt for 44 years.

Speaker 13 My back, my ears, my nose, of course, my head, those things, those things are hurting every day. But for some reason, I've never had a problem with my arm.

Speaker 13 And I probably threw less pitches yesterday than I do on a normal BP day.

Speaker 7 So how?

Speaker 13 I'm ready to do that all the time.

Speaker 8 How did you find out that you were really, really good at throwing batting practice? Was it because as a pitcher you got hit a lot, or did you just get into a zone?

Speaker 13 Actually, I didn't.

Speaker 13 I was an infielder, only played in college um

Speaker 13 but i had to

Speaker 13 i when i started my managing career which was a lot earlier than most players

Speaker 13 um because it was a com it wasn't because i was hurt it wasn't because i was wasn't looked at as a college player we had eight guys sign contracts in the college i was at my senior year so they were looked at and it wasn't that i didn't have good coaching because My high school coach is in the Illinois High School Hall of Fame.

Speaker 13 My college coach is in the College Baseball Hall of Fame. So I have good coaching.
It was complete lack of talent that I had to go into coaching and managing.

Speaker 13 And so I had to, I was the only coach and head coach and manager on my teams, both Canadian professional baseball, college baseball. And so I had to throw to every player.

Speaker 13 And I also had to catch bullpens and all that.

Speaker 13 I had to throw right away and I knew I could throw and make them a lot better hitters than I was because I wanted them to have a chance to be confident.

Speaker 7 And i and it started back in 1980 and i've been able to do it and some years i throw every day of the year wow i mean you it was it was incredible uh your location you did hit him once you hit pete once did you was that a brushback was that like a hey just so you know i'm still the boss out here

Speaker 13 no and actually when i when i threw it our our youngest son

Speaker 13 who's my media director at this moment he got this computer set up and everything um as a pitcher he he drilled a lot of guys. He was a really good pitcher, but he drilled a lot of guys.

Speaker 13 And so as I hit Alonzo, the ball slipped out of my hand. I said, wow, I'm like my son

Speaker 13 because I drilled him. It was the first guy I ever drilled.
And then also I said, in 95, when oftentimes I threw to Cal Jr. when he was breaking the consecutive streak, I used to throw to him.

Speaker 13 I said, I never hit Cal. How can I hit this guy? It was the first guy I'd ever hit in my life.
And so it was not a drill back. It was a slip ball.
And I couldn't believe Pete laughed about it.

Speaker 13 And the next ball, he yanked out of there. So

Speaker 7 it was kind of funny.

Speaker 13 Actually,

Speaker 13 I got a message from our trainer

Speaker 13 last night, the Mets trainer, Brian Chiccolo. Great man.
Left me a message, said, congratulations. Fun to watch you.
By the way, we wonder if we're going to have to put Pete on

Speaker 13 the IL when he comes.

Speaker 7 That was great.

Speaker 7 It was great. It was a great moment.
I also, I noticed you weren't wearing a hat, and I feel like you were more locked in than anyone else because of the lack lack of hat. Was that,

Speaker 7 do you never wear a hat when you throw BP? You seem so much more focused than everyone else, and I swear it was partially because of the hat.

Speaker 13 I never wear a hat throwing BP. I always take it off.

Speaker 13 I always try to take these glasses off,

Speaker 13 but I never wear a hat. I don't have any chance of having any hair ever in my eyes, so it's okay.
I've saved a lot of money

Speaker 13 on

Speaker 13 hair dryers and shampoo in my life. So yeah, so maybe that's that's it.
But Dante Bachette is a hitting coach never wore a hat, but that's because he's got a beautiful looking face.

Speaker 7 I got a face for a revenue, so I'm good on that.

Speaker 8 I read that you one time threw a hundred inning game.

Speaker 13 In the one college I was at was Atlanta Christian College in Wilson, North Carolina. It's now called Barton.
And for a fundraiser, we threw a hundred inning game, and I threw to both teams.

Speaker 13 Now, we did start the count one, two,

Speaker 13 you know, a one-two count. So there was plenty of times it was a two-pitch to the hitters, but they played.

Speaker 13 We played both teams, had the captain, the captain was the manager of one team, the other captain was the manager of the other team.

Speaker 13 It was a really good fundraiser, and I threw that and then dragged the field afterwards. Because, of course, you're the only coach, and you're also the groundskeeper.

Speaker 13 You're also, heck, my first, my first college job was at Westfield State College in like 1982. I was the head coach, coach, the youngest coach in the nation.

Speaker 13 I made $1,500 a year, and my budget was $1,500.

Speaker 13 Graduate of Amherst College, I had a master's degree from UMass Sport Management Department, and yet I was making $1,500 a year

Speaker 13 for my job.

Speaker 13 My grandfather always asked me, he said, hey, when are you going to get a real job?

Speaker 7 Yeah. And look, yeah, I mean, you got to have a job.
You haven't had a job. You haven't had to.
You got a great.

Speaker 7 So I want to mention your college real quick because I saw a quote that was tweeted out last night.

Speaker 7 You said in 1991, 40% of Amherst grads are lawyers, 40% are doctors, 15% go into some kind of business, the other 5% are idiots like me enjoying what they're doing.

Speaker 7 Now, my question is, does that also apply to Williams College next door?

Speaker 13 Oh, no doubt. No doubt.
But

Speaker 13 don't let them be hotty-totty, say that they don't do it.

Speaker 7 No, and guess what?

Speaker 13 All those 9500% guys that graduate and now girls, when I started, it was not co-ed, but now girls, they always call me and want to know what I'm doing or the other 5% at Williams.

Speaker 13 And I never call them other than to say hi and stuff like that. But I never ask them what they're doing at some, you know, high-tech company or

Speaker 13 in the medical room

Speaker 13 diving into somebody's bladder or spleen or something like that.

Speaker 7 So I asked because sitting in this room right now, who he was our intern, but he's now full-time,

Speaker 7 is someone who might have graduated from Williams and he would be in the 5% of idiots. But guess what? He's got a great job.
So I feel like you guys are kindred spirits in that respect.

Speaker 13 We are, and he's an F-Man.

Speaker 7 How are you an F-Men?

Speaker 7 Eaves.

Speaker 13 F.

Speaker 13 F-Man, it's called an F-men. And I was a, until they changed it, I was a Lord Jeff.
Then they found out that the Lord Jeff had a bad history, and so now they're like the Woolly Mammoth or something.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 13 I would go back to Chicago after going to Amherst my first year, and all my buddies in Chicago would say, So what's your nickname?

Speaker 7 And I'd say the Bobcats because he said they're Lord Jeff. They run me out.

Speaker 8 Wait, what's an F-man?

Speaker 7 Ephraim

Speaker 7 like a fuckboy. Yeah.
No,

Speaker 7 easy, easy.

Speaker 7 He said it. You didn't.
That's okay. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, you're okay.
You can blame me. We're not on the radio.

Speaker 8 I said, it's a podcast.

Speaker 7 You can get away with stuff. That's funny, though, because I saw that quote and I thought, like, that's a great quote.

Speaker 7 Because our guy, Billy, here, wrestled with the, like, hey, should I go get a job where I'm, you know, a doctor or lawyer, or maybe, you know, try out being a 5% idiot and have a good time. Yeah.

Speaker 13 I'm glad you are doing it. And guess what?

Speaker 13 We have three sons. My wife and I have three sons.
They all are much more brilliant than I am.

Speaker 13 My wife is much smarter than I am. She's written two books.

Speaker 13 But all three of our boys are in the game. One's a scout with San Francisco Giants.
He actually lives in Wrigleyville.

Speaker 13 He does the Midwest states for the Giants. He's an amateur scout.
The middle one lives in Scottsdale. He's a mental skills coach for the Diamondbacks.
I always say

Speaker 13 he's 28 years old. He's had 28 years of learning what not to do mentally like I do.
And then our youngest has just taken a coaching position at Boston College.

Speaker 13 He's a pitching coach, graduated from NYU, and

Speaker 13 he's my media director today.

Speaker 8 That's fascinating. You're actually the perfect person to ask this question.
We brought it up on the last show. I don't think we had a good answer for it, though.

Speaker 8 At what point do you switch from being a baseball coach to a baseball manager? Because I'm pretty sure in college, you're still a baseball coach, right?

Speaker 13 Yeah, yeah. You're a head coach in college, and even my

Speaker 13 first managing job in 1980, when I went up to

Speaker 13 Woodstock, New Brunswick in the Canadian Senior League,

Speaker 13 I was still a head coach because that was, it's like if you go to a semi-pro team or a professional team in like Germany or Italy or Australia that's not part of the baseball affiliate, you know, the professional baseball affiliate, you're a head coach.

Speaker 13 But in professional baseball, you're a manager. They call you a manager.
And that's the reason you're a bench coach rather than an assistant head coach or something like that. It's terminology.

Speaker 13 It's also a reason why we wear uniforms on the bench where in every sport they wear

Speaker 13 pullovers or they used to wear suits.

Speaker 7 So bench coach in baseball, I think, is like the coolest job because you

Speaker 7 can you explain to me exactly what your day-to-day as a bench coach looks like because I always look at it and I'm like, he gets to sit next to the manager. He gets to maybe give him a little input.

Speaker 7 The manager can take it or not. He gets to hang out with the guys.
It seems like a pretty good life. So, what am I missing here? Is it just a pretty fun existence, correct?

Speaker 13 I believe that everything in baseball has been a fun existence. And I did have some years with

Speaker 13 the Pittsburgh Pirates. And we always like to say that Willie Stargill, one of his favorite quotes, was, they don't say workball to start the game of baseball.
They say playball.

Speaker 13 And so I've been able to play for 46 years of 45 years of

Speaker 13 of my working life and a bunch of them have been the bench coach you're you're

Speaker 13 whatever the manager needs whatever his strengths are you complement those strengths but you really work on what his weakness is because everybody has a weakness so if they're a really good relationship guy and not a good numbers guy you take care of the numbers or i've had a manager who was a really good numbers guy but didn't want to admit it to any of the players because it wasn't that time that it was good to be a good numbers guy.

Speaker 13 So I was the guy that was the numbers guy, the numbers geek, and he could be the relationship guy and the hunch guy. It wasn't a hunch.
He had numbers going through his head all the time.

Speaker 13 And you do a lot of scheduling.

Speaker 13 You're really that go-between so that you try to deflect some of the stuff that the manager on the manager's plate so he doesn't have to take care of it. But these days, a lot of coaches do that.

Speaker 13 You know, when I first started, it really was the bench coach.

Speaker 13 And then, heck, when I first started, the ex-bench coaches were the guys that were the guys that kept the manager out of getting in trouble after the game, be it yelling at media, be it yelling at players, or being going out a little bit too much.

Speaker 8 Right, I like that, yeah. And can you tell when you have a manager that's about to get ejected from the game?

Speaker 8 Like, when he gets to the ballpark that day, you know that he's on one and he's looking to get tossed?

Speaker 13 Rarely have I ever had a manager that I knew was going to get tossed before,

Speaker 13 but often before the inning started, or you you never were surprised unless the umpire made a bad ejection because you can hear it coming and there are times that you knew that hey the manager you know this would really help the club this time if there was a really good opportunity take the uh take the uh

Speaker 13 the burden on you and managers do a great job at this take the burden on you now

Speaker 13 I can't say when I did manage in winter ball and in Meyer Leagues, you know, I was kind of a kind of an idiot as a manager because I've never gotten thrown out as a bench coach, but I got thrown out of 18 out of 60 games in 1999

Speaker 13 in Dominican winter league.

Speaker 7 It's got to be a record.

Speaker 8 Very impressive. I actually heard that you got banned from the Dominican League for two years.

Speaker 13 Yeah, I did one time. They said I was unprofessional wearing shorts

Speaker 13 coming out after being ejected, coming out onto the dugout, and I accosted one of the umpires, which was a they

Speaker 13 fabricated the story. Of course, one week later, Jose Offerman took over my job and he punched the guy out, which was also fabricated because

Speaker 13 the punch never connected.

Speaker 7 Well, the umpire just fell to the ground. He took a dive?

Speaker 13 Not that he should have tried to take a punch, but

Speaker 7 so you were just getting kicked out of every game, and then you just got kicked out of the league.

Speaker 13 Yeah, that happened.

Speaker 7 It sounds like

Speaker 8 it was just a glorified dress code violation, though.

Speaker 8 You were wearing shorts, and they got mad because you came out there and you were showing some gam, and they're like, we got to send this guy home.

Speaker 13 Well, Moita Salou was the general manager for Esquito at that time. And for some reason, our best hitter, Timo Perez, was hit 10 straight times.

Speaker 13 And I heard that some of the pitchers would get some sort of extra bonus when that happened.

Speaker 13 And so the 10th time it happened, I complained to the umpire and he kicked me out.

Speaker 7 I said, wait a second.

Speaker 13 I didn't ask our guys to drill anybody.

Speaker 13 So now all of a sudden, it's in the 13th inning and things are going crazy. And I'm out on the top step.
And they say that, yeah, my dress coat is bad.

Speaker 7 So along those same lines, you've been part of bench clearing brawls because you've been in major league for a very long time.

Speaker 7 What is a bench coach's like, what is the checklist when a bench clearing brawl happens? What are you doing first? What are you doing to make sure that everything's cool?

Speaker 7 What goes through your head when it's like, all right, it's go time. We're going for this?

Speaker 13 Well,

Speaker 13 it happens a lot. You know, I mean,

Speaker 13 and

Speaker 13 it happens in your family sometimes. You know,

Speaker 13 your sons go after each other and stuff like that. And you got to make sure that you break things up and not escalate it.

Speaker 13 And so usually you try to make sure you take care of a player on another team that you can handle so that they don't add to it.

Speaker 13 And then you also try to save your best player so he doesn't get um suspended after it now when you bring that thing up i still remember my son showing me the the clip and i think it was from you guys when you were saying how about that joust guy in a in a there was a pittsburgh cincinnati brawl and i was like the last guy to get out of the dugout well there's a whole lot of people in front of me and clint at that time had two bad hips and he couldn't get out and clin is one of the strongest men and sean rodriguez he and sean are studs and and i'm trying to get behind so my knees don't quite work.

Speaker 13 And so they're now at home plate and I'm trying to get out there and

Speaker 13 you're jacking on Joust, the old guy.

Speaker 13 The brawl's going to be over by the time you got out there. And I was dying laughing.
My kids had such a good laugh on me on that one.

Speaker 7 But

Speaker 13 it just, it's, it's, you grew up in this in this in the streets and the alleys in Chicago, and you got in some brawls.

Speaker 13 And then, and, and it, it's obvious, it's, you know, it's, you see it publicly now because it's at PNC or it's at great ballpark of America or American Park and all that, but it's the same thing.

Speaker 13 Kids are kids. They're kids in the dugout.
And it doesn't matter if they're 35

Speaker 13 playing a game at the big league level or it's at the softball park down the road. Those things happen.

Speaker 8 Have you had a chance to take stock of your legacy as a home run derby pitcher and think to yourself, like, am I the greatest home run derby pitcher of all time?

Speaker 13 No,

Speaker 13 and when it's really fun that this has happened to get a chance to talk with you and

Speaker 13 have my whole family here to be able to enjoy this and get to know Pete's family because I've gotten to know Pete.

Speaker 13 But to put it in perspective, probably

Speaker 13 the most time I ever got compliments publicly was in 2004. I was the advanced scout for the Red Sox.

Speaker 13 and we came back from 03 against the Yankees and then we sweeped the Cardinals and guys like Schilling and Lowe and Pedro and Ortiz and Baritec and they they said that our reports that myself and the two guys that were in the field with me who were scouts and Galen Carr who was the video scout at that time we put it you know we we worked all year and did it did a really good job

Speaker 13 And they complimented me personally a bunch. And so you'd walk around Boston, you'd have your ring, and they'd say, oh, yeah, you were the reason that you could come back from 0-3.

Speaker 13 And the first thing I'd say is, no, I wasn't, because those reports were there also for the going 0-3.

Speaker 13 We were 0-3, and those same reports were there 0-3. So it's the execution of the players because that Red Sox team to win seven games in a row, they executed.

Speaker 13 They played together. It was awesome.
And that's the same thing last night is as I look at.

Speaker 8 I could have thrown those pictures to somebody else last night and they wouldn't have gone it was it was pete alonso he's he's really a special special hitter he's a special power hitter and in that type of uh venue in that type of competition that that's pretty special to see him do that it's interesting that you brought up 2004 because everybody does talk about coming from behind when you're down 03 which i mean for understandable reasons it was an epic comeback it was like one of the greatest comebacks of all time in sports but nobody really talks about what happened next next in the World Series.

Speaker 8 It almost felt like the World Series was a foregone conclusion at that point because of all the momentum you had. But I can't imagine that you expected to go in there and sweep the World Series.

Speaker 13 If you ask guys like Kevin Millar and

Speaker 13 Veritech and those, they did,

Speaker 13 Frank.

Speaker 13 And you didn't publicly say that before that, but this club got so confident out of beating

Speaker 13 the Yankees four straight.

Speaker 13 And at that time, that American League East made you better than anybody else because they were the best division in baseball by a decent step. And that's not just the hitters.

Speaker 13 The pitching was ridiculous. So every hitter got better.

Speaker 13 And because of that,

Speaker 13 you were going to have a really good opportunity to beat anybody else you played because you played the best competition, not just for the previous seven games, but for the previous 160 or 180 games.

Speaker 13 And so you're prepared. And

Speaker 13 that's the reason why the best teams

Speaker 13 at all competition, in all levels, in all sports, you don't want to play the weaker teams. In college,

Speaker 13 why play the weaker teams? It's not getting you better. It gets you a win, but it doesn't get you better.

Speaker 13 And that's why I really believe that

Speaker 13 in the aura that I felt in that clubhouse coming in for the World Series,

Speaker 13 there was, was, I mean, unless we were going to play the Yankees again in seven or another AL East team,

Speaker 13 that team was going to dominate whoever they played, and it did.

Speaker 7 Yeah. So this is a little synergy on the podcast because we had Christian Yelich on.
He's going to be on the same show as you. We just talked to him.
We talked to him about losing streaks.

Speaker 7 What's your go-to move if your team's in a losing streak? How do you, like as a bench coach, get guys back on track? Or do you not say anything and let the guys kind of figure it out themselves?

Speaker 7 The

Speaker 13 three minutes to five minutes after

Speaker 13 the previous game is over, it's over and done with.

Speaker 7 Really?

Speaker 13 And I've always felt that way.

Speaker 13 I think you model it and set the tone as a staff person, be it the manager, be it the bench coach, being the coaching staff, and being a team leader like a Yellow Chiz.

Speaker 13 And so that that doesn't change. And that doesn't mean that we all handle things the same personality-wise, but we have to have that tone.
And in baseball, it is paramount.

Speaker 13 There's no sport like it because you're playing every day and you're playing 162.

Speaker 13 And so

Speaker 13 you move past it like this. And I do.
I mean,

Speaker 13 that's the reason we tell our club.

Speaker 13 We tell our players in our club who is playing the next day before they leave the clubhouse so they can already have left that night, no matter if they won or lost, left that that night and ready to go the next day.

Speaker 13 And Louis Rolas and

Speaker 13 the staff we have do a great job, and the players are all focused on that. And

Speaker 13 it's set a really good tone.

Speaker 13 And I've always tried to set it, and each year you get a little better at setting it because I'm better now than I was a week ago and definitely better than I was five or six years ago in what I try to do.

Speaker 8 Yeah, what would you say has been like the biggest improvement in the last 10 years?

Speaker 8 And I would imagine that as a bench coach, like you, there are a lot of guys that are smart, that understand the game of baseball, that do a good job, but don't necessarily stick around for as long as you have.

Speaker 8 So I have to assume that you've either found an edge, you've found something that you can keep improving on, or you know something that they don't know about.

Speaker 8 You know, just how to be a guy that people not only respect, but like hanging out with.

Speaker 13 I think it's my arm because as long as you throw a really good BP, you're always going to have a job. I never say it's up here, and maybe it's my heart.
I hope it's my heart a little bit.

Speaker 13 But the arm, because i always say if that arm goes

Speaker 13 if my arm goes today which it never has gone you never know when it's going to go tomorrow i'll either be the met bobblehead or if the mets don't want me i'll be wally the green monster or i'll be dinger out here i'll stay out here and i'll be dinger in colorado because that's my next job if i ever get if ever this happens what's what speed do you throw at for your bp because i i always like it's funny you think it's very slow but you're still throwing it a nice clip well it's it's it is a lot slower than it used to be i mean i used to, when I first started, you know, I'd go in and when they needed somebody firm to throw, I'd be that guy.

Speaker 13 I remember throwing firm to like Mo Vaughan and Wilfredo Cordero and these guys in the old Fenway

Speaker 13 cage out in center field. I've got broken nose, broken hand because the cage, the ricochet was almost like arena football out there.

Speaker 13 And so I used to throw pretty hard, but it was at that, still at that 50 feet, 45 feet, 50. Now they have it sometimes on the board these days.

Speaker 13 So I actually know that sometimes I'm throwing like 49 miles an hour only.

Speaker 13 And probably yesterday I was probably throwing a little bit less because for a home run derby, you even want to throw a little bit less.

Speaker 13 You don't have to add any power to the ball when the guys are taking their swings to go out and practice.

Speaker 8 You ever thought about using Spider-Tack or any performance enhancing capabilities? Make sure maybe you extend your career a little bit.

Speaker 13 I should have done it more to my sons. All three were pitchers.
The middle one caught also also and hit, but all three did pitch. And I taught him to throw strikes.

Speaker 13 I taught him how to command the ball. I never gave him spider tech, and it took away probably some of the success they had.

Speaker 13 They weren't quite as bad as I was at giving up home runs, but they definitely weren't that guy with a spider tech to have the extra

Speaker 13 spin on the ball and break and everything like that.

Speaker 7 How much easier is it to coach first base than third base? Is it like, I mean, you just relax at first base. First base coach is kind of like,

Speaker 7 that's the easiest job in the world, right?

Speaker 13 So

Speaker 13 as you guys know, my dad's sports writer for 50 years of the Chicago Tribune.

Speaker 13 He was a proponent. He was not, my grandfather was the one that said, what are you going to do when you get a real job? My dad always said, do what you want to, what you like.

Speaker 13 And he says, I've always liked writing.

Speaker 13 And I still go today, I go to work each day and love what I'm doing. He says, David, do the same thing.
So he was, he was so glad I went to coaching.

Speaker 13 And I finally get a big league coaching job with the Red Sox in 97. And I call him on the phone and I said, Dad,

Speaker 13 Jimmy Williams has taken me as one of his coaches.

Speaker 13 And he goes, Oh, that's great. And he goes, What are you going to do? I said, I'm going to be the first base coach.
He goes, Oh, that's like breaths on a bull.

Speaker 7 He didn't say breaths.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 13 I said, said oh oh thanks dad thanks dad

Speaker 13 i appreciate it that's awesome yeah that's what he would have heard would have written that in the newspaper too yeah so um

Speaker 13 but i think

Speaker 13 i think at that time

Speaker 13 um

Speaker 13 people didn't realize that there was a lot more because yes third base coach it's the it's the most When I coach third and when I talk to guys that coach third now, I know that it is the most,

Speaker 13 it's the closest to being a player as a coach you are because you have to react as a base runner. You have to react and it's the hardest, base running is the hardest thing.

Speaker 13 And as hard as it is to hit, base running, everything changes every pitch. And you are involved every pitch and you have to react off of nine people, not just the pitch in one person.

Speaker 13 And that pitch is tough. But base running, there are more mistakes than anything else.
And so as a third base coach, you have to be a player and it's very difficult.

Speaker 13 However, when I took over at first for Jimmy, I took pride in learning from Davey Nelson and a few guys that were really good, Tommy Harper.

Speaker 13 And I took pride in it. And you can be a good third base coach.
There are some mechanics of a, I mean, a first-base coach. And there's some mechanics.

Speaker 13 And I've tried to train that when I was field coordinator and farm director to young guys coming up. And I still add some input because you can be a good first base coach.
And it's not just a token.

Speaker 13 because most of most of my buddies when i did you know when they a lot of buddies would say uh as doctors or or lawyers or whatever they were doing big big power finance guys they'd say hey i just want to come and be a bullpen coach for a day or first base coach come on come on now i'm not going to go in and take that scalpel and go in and take somebody's bladder out you know you can't coach first or be a bullpen coach yeah yeah i you might go out to first base and you might forget the special sliding mitt that a guy wears and then

Speaker 13 yeah or for our club, we had to have a mask this year. How about the Kevin Pilara?

Speaker 7 That's that's tremendous. Kevin did.

Speaker 13 And Unreal.

Speaker 13 What a super guy he is. And

Speaker 13 he's great for our club, but he's good for baseball. Yeah.

Speaker 7 You mentioned your dad. He is a legend.

Speaker 7 He was a legend in his own right. And

Speaker 7 so he was a sports writer for a very long time, also on TV, the Sports Writers on TV, which is a hilarious show that you can go back and watch on YouTube.

Speaker 7 But between that, your dad being a sports writer, and then you being a baseball lifer, do you respect baseball more than anyone on earth? I think you might.

Speaker 13 I don't know.

Speaker 13 I'm blessed to have this position. I'm blessed to be able to do this.
I'm blessed to be able to be raised by my dad and my mom and all the people in Chicago. And they love my dad.

Speaker 13 It's still to this day.

Speaker 13 Heck, when they won the World Series, our son was working at Yahtzee's while he was getting his master's in sports psychology at Adler University, the middle son who was a mental skills coach, and he walked, he would leave yacht season during the run for the World Series, he would walk by and all the people had put chalk things on red wall.

Speaker 13 He wrote something for Papa Bill, his grandfather, my dad, on that wall. And even though I was a pirate at that time, I had to take that and really cherish it to my heart.
So I respect that.

Speaker 13 I respect people more than the game of baseball, the people that are involved in baseball. I've been, you know, from

Speaker 13 having Felipe Alou as my manager back in, you know, 1989 to now his son, Louis Rojas, in the Mets, or to be Jerry Manuel hiring me as a Gulf Coast League manager in 1987, and then being his bench coach in 2010, being able to be with players like Nomar Garcia Para.

Speaker 13 Nomar Garcia Para left me a text last night, and it was because I threw a home run hitting contest to him in 99 and in Fenway and he sent me a text and said he watched with his kids he watched me and Pete Alonso and it was it was so special to my heart I mean so it's you know when you asked that question I didn't even think it's it's the people in baseball yeah I respect that more than anything that's a great answer and you were at that 99 home run derby that so

Speaker 7 For people who don't know, that was a legendary home run derby. It was Maguire, it was Sosa, it was Griffey, it was Bonds, it was all the guys in that era.

Speaker 7 Did you know at the moment, at that time, you looking around like these guys,

Speaker 7 this is incredible. I'm not going to ask a steroids question, but these guys are incredible.
And like, did you have a second while you were watching it? Like,

Speaker 7 this is something people will look back and look at all the legends that are playing in this game.

Speaker 13 I did. And the story, if you backtrack just a little bit, when Nomar asked me, because home run derby wasn't a big deal at that time.

Speaker 13 Oh, Nomar asked me probably about a week before he goes, hey, they've asked me to be in the home run hating contest. And he was in the group I threw to.

Speaker 13 He goes i want you to throw i said oh my i got three young kids and my my wife's rented a place in the cape to get away because i've spent no time with you i used to take the bus i lived in brighton in in boston and i'd take bus 56 to the ballpark we only had one car and it was easier to get in but i couldn't drive and because leave the family by himself so i didn't get a whole lot of time with the family so um

Speaker 13 I came back, I said, Nomar, I don't know,

Speaker 13 let me ask my wife. And so I go back and say, Billy, Nomar's asked me to be in the home run hitting contest and throw it to him, but we've got this.

Speaker 13 And she right away, even before she goes, no, you've got to do this. It'll be great.
And I said, oh, yeah, it'll be awesome for the kids. It'll be great.
Eight, six, and two-year-old kids. No problem.

Speaker 13 So sure enough, we do it. But I stepped on the field that day to throw BP on the Monday.
to the whole American league.

Speaker 13 I threw to everybody in the American League and then threw to a whole lot because people didn't bring their BP throws at that time.

Speaker 13 So I threw to a whole lot of the home run hitting ties too because that day I threw probably 850 pitches.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 13 so, but I stepped onto the field that day and I forgot my kids were anyway. I had no idea who kids because it was, it was tremendous.

Speaker 13 There was there was Bonds and there was Sosa and there was Larry Walker and there was Vladi Jr. There was,

Speaker 13 oh, everybody. And then, of course, Gwynn and Ripkid with Ted Williams coming out before the game.
But so when you say, was it legendary?

Speaker 13 It was. I was a little kid.

Speaker 13 It was really special. And I got to see Ernie.
Our National League captain was Ernie Banks.

Speaker 7 Yeah. It was an all-time.
The only person.

Speaker 13 Yeah, he was the all-timer, and he was in the tent afterwards. And my wife brought me up to him and said, hey, this is David.
He got to see you when he was young with his dad. And that was a special.

Speaker 13 And I felt the same way yesterday, though. Being out there and seeing Soto and

Speaker 13 Schwerber and then Ocani and then Tatis Jr. and Nick Castellanos.
I mean,

Speaker 13 I forgot that the kids were in the stand until they were yelling at me and I brought them on the field and almost got security arresting us for bringing my wife and my youngest son on the field.

Speaker 7 I think you just answered my previous question, too, because that, like, your love for the game and the people in the game is infectious. And you just talking about it is awesome.

Speaker 7 Like, I'm smiling right now, you talking about it. So I think, yes, I'm putting you as number one respecter of the game of baseball in America.

Speaker 8 Maybe the first family of baseball. Yeah.

Speaker 7 Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 7 It's just cool. Like, it's just, sports should be cool sometimes.
And it's cool to embrace those moments.

Speaker 8 What do you think you'd be doing if you weren't in baseball right now?

Speaker 13 I'd be teaching or

Speaker 13 if I didn't get a chance to go to Amherst College.

Speaker 13 I probably would be doing something around Chicago.

Speaker 7 See, this is perfect.

Speaker 13 I'll be teaching kids.

Speaker 7 Yeah, this is perfect because

Speaker 8 you don't really have an answer. You'd just be like, I'd be doing something that's similar to baseball.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he backdoored into baseball. Yeah,

Speaker 7 you're coaching kids

Speaker 7 while teaching, too. Yeah.

Speaker 7 I love it. That's so great.
Exactly. But Gatt's right.

Speaker 8 Like, your love of baseball, I think it woke up something in just America.

Speaker 8 Everyone that's listening to it right now is going to love baseball a little bit more tomorrow than they did when they woke up today.

Speaker 7 And your pitches. I hope so.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 13 I hope they do because is it is it is fun for for me and my family but that's what that's what recreation and entertainment is about and and and and these players put in a lot of work and time to be as good as they are and their talent level is special

Speaker 13 is special there's so many times i've been as a field coordinator or farm director and people would say what's the what's the highest level you know the what's the toughest level to to get to from a ball to double a because it goes from you two teams to one team, ages.

Speaker 13 I said, no,

Speaker 13 the biggest gap is minor leagues to the big leagues, be it AAA to the big leagues,

Speaker 13 is the big leagues because the big leagues is the big leagues. And there's one spot, and those guys are the most talented.
They work the hardest.

Speaker 13 It is a special game to watch. From BP to taking ground balls to then the nine-inning game, that's tough to win.
It's tough to win a major league game.

Speaker 8 Yeah. What about, as a bench coach, do you have any, I'm always fascinated watching people relay signals into the game, especially like a third base coach relaying those to the batter.

Speaker 8 Do you have any go-to like fake signals that you do to throw people off?

Speaker 13 If I did and I'd say them, I'd have to change all the 12 or 14 we have for this coming series. Because yes, you have a bunch.
And you know what?

Speaker 13 I think we probably overdo it because it's tough to pick up signs from the other club. It's a lot easier to pick them up if you got like

Speaker 13 you know technology involved and they've stopped that. But without technology, it's tough to get signs.

Speaker 8 Well, let me put it this way. Have you ever had like a bluff signal that you've worked on and you're like, I think I got something here.
This is going to be a good bluff signal.

Speaker 8 And then you've used it in a game. It's like, you know what? This one's just not working.

Speaker 13 Yeah, but it really comes to the execution of the player because oftentimes the missed sign allows that the other dugout to think they have it and all of a sudden one of your players missed the sign or you put it on wrong, and all of a sudden the other club goes, oh, we don't have it anymore.

Speaker 13 So I love the missed sign because it takes away their feeling that they have the sign.

Speaker 7 Yeah, good point. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 7 Well, Dave, this has been awesome. We really appreciate it.

Speaker 7 We got to come out to a game. I mean, we all live in New York now.

Speaker 7 I don't actually want to come out to a game. I do go to the city field whenever the Cubs play the Mets, but it's a long drive, you know, from the city to the city.

Speaker 7 We We should get you to come out and play some wiffle ball with us and have you throw a batting practice. Be our coach, yeah.

Speaker 13 The wiffle ball doesn't

Speaker 7 stay as straight

Speaker 7 as the real ball.

Speaker 13 Yes. But yeah, and guess what? If you're coming out only because you're coming to the Cubs,

Speaker 13 get those tickets from David Ross or something like that. I'm not leaving them for you.
If you're coming out to see the Mets, I'll see if I can leave you some French tickets in that way up top.

Speaker 7 Yeah, right. The nose meets.
All right, I love it. Well, thank you so much for doing this.
Really appreciate it. Enjoy tonight and great pitching.
Like, incredible pitching performance last night.

Speaker 7 Thank you.

Speaker 7 Okay, let's wrap up. We've got

Speaker 7 guys on chicks.

Speaker 9 All right, these are from last week, Young Son Bob, so if they're bad, blame him. Hey, dad, Cat, I'm a week away from the due date for our first baby.

Speaker 9 My husband has been very supportive and excited for the big day, but has told me he's going to be saying poosh, poosh with the driver's survive accent while holding my hand during delivery.

Speaker 9 How many of these do I have to put up with before kicking him out of the delivery room?

Speaker 7 Mode push.

Speaker 7 Push, push, push, push. That's a mega performance.

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, he's going to probably, if it's your first kid, well, if it's any kid, he's not going to do jokes. Because I tried to do a joke and then I was like shut down quickly by everyone in the room.

Speaker 7 And then it was no jokes.

Speaker 8 You just get a look and you know.

Speaker 7 Yeah, it's not a joking place. I do joke.

Speaker 8 We've all gotten that look before where you try to bring some levity to a situation that's not always appreciated.

Speaker 8 Yeah, that is funny, though. Push, push.

Speaker 7 Yeah, just do it in your head.

Speaker 8 Yeah, maybe whisper it. Yeah.

Speaker 9 Hey, guys, especially dad cat. I recently stopped breast pumping for my four-month-old, but my left boob won't stop producing milk.
Do you have any tips to solve this problem?

Speaker 7 No, I do not.

Speaker 7 PFT?

Speaker 8 I mean, I've got a lot of ideas for how that works.

Speaker 7 That's what you do, big boy.

Speaker 8 Just have somebody suck on it all the time.

Speaker 8 Just find somebody that wants to suck on it and just let them suck.

Speaker 9 How early on in hooking up?

Speaker 8 Wait, could you actually blow into it? Like you're blowing bubbles if you blew into the nipple?

Speaker 7 Why are you asking me?

Speaker 7 I don't blow into tits. Well, speaking of

Speaker 7 cat tits.

Speaker 8 If I was with a lady that gave birth to my child, I would really explore the breasts and the whole milk situation.

Speaker 8 Have you tried it?

Speaker 7 Have you tasted it? No.

Speaker 8 That's kind of weird. I would definitely taste the breast milk at the end of the day.

Speaker 7 I don't think you would.

Speaker 8 You can sell it online. Billy knows all about that.
It's like the most valuable thing for bodybuilders.

Speaker 9 For girl, dad, big cat, how do I get my Tatas to be as perky as yours? I know people give you shit. I know people give you shit, but I am seriously jealous.

Speaker 7 Thanks.

Speaker 7 It's the Big Ben diet. It's due 20 push-ups every like two or three months.
Right before you have to take your shirt off, and then you're good to go. No, that's mean.
I know I have breasts.

Speaker 7 I'm working on it. I don't know if you guys noticed, but I haven't been eating carbs.
Lost a couple pounds.

Speaker 10 Gonna keep working.

Speaker 9 All right, last one. Also, I want to say I like your shirt today a lot.

Speaker 7 Oh, thank you. It's my pot.
Possibly. Can you give me an Australian party shirt accent?

Speaker 8 It's my Potsi shirt.

Speaker 7 There it is.

Speaker 8 It's Chilean.

Speaker 9 Last one. I saw on my boyfriend's phone a list of girls, and I was at the bottom of the list.
When I asked him about it,

Speaker 7 when I asked him about it,

Speaker 9 he said it was all the girls he kissed,

Speaker 9 not all the girls he said sex with. Yeah.

Speaker 8 No, every guy has that to get to.

Speaker 9 Is he telling the truth? Yeah. Do guys keep lists of who they kiss? Uh-huh.
Why was there a list of girls he kissed, but not the the girls he's fucked?

Speaker 9 He said it was so the list was longer, question mark.

Speaker 7 Thanks. Oh, my God.

Speaker 8 It's a totally normal thing that every guy does. We've all got our list of smooches.
We carry it with us.

Speaker 8 Yeah, just

Speaker 8 believe him on this one. You don't want to dig too deep on.

Speaker 7 Hey, babe, what's your number? 10,000.

Speaker 7 No kisses. Oh, 40,000.
Like, what is it? Who does.

Speaker 8 Could be 45 if we're talking no-tongue, too.

Speaker 7 Do you count your like aunt?

Speaker 7 You kiss on the cheek? Oh, that counts. Probably.
Girls that I kissed.

Speaker 9 Yeah, I mean, if you're trying to get the list as long as you can, you really.

Speaker 7 Girls that I kissed. Oh, my God.
Wait.

Speaker 8 There's actually a possibility that this person is in sixth grade.

Speaker 7 That's true. And so

Speaker 8 if you're a 12-year-old listener, if pardon my take, then yeah, I think

Speaker 8 probably every guy has a list, at least in their brain, in sixth grade of girls that he kissed.

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 7 Just hope that it's the bet.

Speaker 7 Look, the worst case that you're thinking right now is that it's girls that he's fucked, which it 100% is.

Speaker 7 But the worst, worst case is what if he was just ranking the girls that he's fucked that he likes in your last?

Speaker 7 Then it's really bad. So just hope it's not that.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I mean, it sounds for your sake, it could be the girls that he's fucked in order of most recent to least recent. Yeah.
In which case, you're sitting pretty at the end of that list.

Speaker 7 Yeah, good job.

Speaker 8 Actually, if you ever, that's a little tip for guys. If you're ever suspected on cheating on somebody, you just make a list and then you leave it out somewhere that they'll find it.

Speaker 8 And she'll be like, what's this list? And it's like, oh, I made a list of all the girls I've had sex with since I was born until now.

Speaker 8 Oh, you're at the end.

Speaker 7 Oh, so embarrassing you found my list.

Speaker 7 All right, Billy, recap. Ready to roll.
By the way, so people, Billy's back on his recap.

Speaker 7 On Monday, we fell off a little bit, and then afterwards, when we stopped taping, he was like, so I was talking to a weapons dealer, and we're like, Billy, that's exactly what we want on the recap.

Speaker 7 So he's ready to roll.

Speaker 10 Well, so, first things first, Christian Yelich talked about a Velcro sound coming off the ball.

Speaker 10 And I was really hoping that I'm going to go look for it online in the replays, but I really want to hear what that noise sounded like in the

Speaker 7 stadium. Last year, yeah, yeah, find that for us.

Speaker 8 Billy, can I give you a little tip? Yeah, even if you don't find any that make that sound, add some in and post, and then you're going to go so far.

Speaker 7 Two viral, yep, be like, hey, check out, do it for, maybe not actually. Um, do it for Garrett Cole.

Speaker 10 Okay, yeah, oh, yeah perfect uh the longest we were gonna say nope

Speaker 10 the longest home run in mlb history before stat cast was 582 feet in 1987 and but soto's was the longest in the stat cast who hit that one

Speaker 8 wait you found the you found the distance in well i just wanted to i just wanted to confirm i just wanted to confirm that feels so that feels like you keep going i'll find it that feels like such a fake stat it was probably that glenn allen hill home run yeah they hit the hit the build actually we we should be asking Bubba.

Speaker 8 Bubba knows all the Mashus Taters.

Speaker 7 Longest home runs in home. Oh, that's home run derby history.
Aaron Judge, we were there for that. 513.

Speaker 8 What's the sickest home run of all time, Bubba?

Speaker 7 I still think the Barry Gwands at Yankee Stadium when it goes into the third deck.

Speaker 8 Yeah, yeah. That's a good one.

Speaker 7 All right, longest.

Speaker 7 Longest verified home run was Babe Ruth at Tiger Stadium.

Speaker 7 He hit one 575 feet.

Speaker 8 I feel like feet were smaller back then.

Speaker 7 And that's the longest that we have. So 575.

Speaker 10 I found 582 in 1987.

Speaker 7 But you don't know who.

Speaker 10 But it keeps going. Anyway, Ryan Burr, he was the one who also broke the Belichick Guerrero story where they were fighting.

Speaker 10 So there may be truth to this Ben Rothesburg diet because he did break the TB12 diet story.

Speaker 8 That ended up being completely true, and they never won another Super Bowl after that, right?

Speaker 7 Hey. Yeah.
Joey Meyer of the Denver Zephyrs. That was your 582.
Yeah. Mile high.

Speaker 8 The Denver Zephyrs.

Speaker 7 And Denver Zephyrs.

Speaker 8 Could forget. Yep.

Speaker 10 Okay. Also, Stephen A.
Smith also had to apologize to Nigeria. He apologized to multiple countries.

Speaker 7 Yeah, he just did the I'm sorry to everyone.

Speaker 10 Yeah, to everyone in a huge,

Speaker 10 like, it looked like a college athlete like apologizing for something. It was like,

Speaker 7 also, just so funny when Stephen A. Smith has to put on his serious voice.
Yeah. It's just a, it's like a very funny thing to watch him have to like go and be like, now yesterday I said some things.

Speaker 8 Well, because you always expect when he uses that hushed tone, because Stephen A is so good at that. He makes you lean in and listen to him talk when he gets real soft.

Speaker 8 And then he comes over the top and he raises his voice, and that's when he smashes you.

Speaker 8 So when he's like, I'd like to apologize to all the viewers out there of Nigerian descent for absolutely nothing. Like you expect for him to come over the top with you.

Speaker 7 Right, right.

Speaker 10 And also, I can totally see how Jake broke his ankle on a flat surface after seeing that video.

Speaker 7 Oh.

Speaker 7 also, the Jake video, he is, someone pointed out online, Big Jake taking free merch from a program.

Speaker 8 That's true. Interesting.
Well, I mean, it was just Ricochet. It was just Rico walking out with a giant box.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And there were young boys inside of it. Jake is now a pedophile as well.
No, don't say that.

Speaker 8 Don't say that. No, it's the, what's the baby's blood that's in there?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 8 It's the platelet-rich baby's blood Jake was walking.

Speaker 7 I'm just saying, if he's wearing some Arkansas swag, it's tough for him to be completely neutral, is it not?

Speaker 8 I don't think that he should be allowed to commentate on SEC basketball next season.

Speaker 7 Correct.

Speaker 8 Agree. He should recuse himself.

Speaker 7 All things hog-related. Yes.

Speaker 10 Tortoises have no natural lifetime. They can only be killed by other things.
They never die of old age.

Speaker 8 I thought we, didn't we talk about this?

Speaker 7 Wait, they can't die of old age.

Speaker 7 There's jellyfish. They can die of old age?

Speaker 8 Tortoises.

Speaker 10 They need something else to kill them.

Speaker 7 Like a disease. Like a heart attack? Nature? Yeah.
Yeah. Like Like nature.

Speaker 9 Time.

Speaker 8 I think tortoises do die, Billy.

Speaker 10 They do die, but they don't have any like...

Speaker 10 No tortoise dies of natural causes. Like if you left a tortoise alone and kept like

Speaker 7 forever.

Speaker 10 Right.

Speaker 10 There was a tortoise named Curious George.

Speaker 8 Lonesome George. Lonesome George.
I actually mushed Lonesome George.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 10 What does that mean?

Speaker 8 I went to Ecuador. It was the oldest living animal on the earth.
Right. I went to Ecuador, went out to the Galapagos Islands.
I was going to meet Lonesome George the next day the night before he died.

Speaker 8 He was like 180 years old.

Speaker 7 The whole time. I don't think you mushed him.
I think he just didn't like you.

Speaker 8 Yeah, he actually pulled a smart move.

Speaker 7 So you killed Curious Lonesome George.

Speaker 8 Lonesome George. Allegedly.

Speaker 7 Billy, by the way, you're back. That was great.
That was exactly what we're looking for.

Speaker 7 69.

Speaker 7 8.

Speaker 7 99. That was exactly what we're looking for, Billy.
Round of applause for Billy. Yeah, Billy.

Speaker 10 69 is on the bottom.

Speaker 7 Good stats. And on top.

Speaker 7 Oh, my God. Oh my God.
Dude, 69 was just

Speaker 7 bouncing around on top. 65.

Speaker 8 65, so close. Also, Billy asked if he could write a blog for tomorrow's show from the interview.

Speaker 8 Jake is absolutely going to listen to the show, and he's going to try to get that blog out super early, I bet.

Speaker 7 A blog off point. It's a blog off.
Not a blog off.

Speaker 8 Who's going to blog it first? I'll just do it right now.

Speaker 7 Oh. Oh.
Damn.

Speaker 8 Jake, if you're listening, feel free to blog

Speaker 8 what you think you should be doing about your SEC journalistic liabilities for next year.

Speaker 7 No, you know what? Billy, you cuck him. Blog.

Speaker 10 We're not actually lazy yet. Okay.

Speaker 7 We're not saying that we're blogging. But listen, we're going to end the show, but blog the discussion about Jake's handshake.
Oh, okay. Yeah.

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